Whatever Podcast - Warren Smith! Is Chivalry DEAD?! Age Gap HYPOCRISY (She Is 32, Boyfriend Is 24)?! BASED Alina RETURNS!

June 9, 2025 - Whatever Podcast

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Warren Smith! Is Chivalry DEAD?! Age Gap HYPOCRISY (She Is 32, Boyfriend Is 24)?! BASED Alina RETURNS! | Dating Talk #246

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	Go ahead.
	Hi, my name is Liana.
	I am in event management and I teach group fitness.
	I'm from Los Angeles and I'm 28 years old.
	All right, welcome.
	What about you?
	My name is Crystal.
	I'm from the Netherlands.
	This is my first time in the USA and I really love it here already.
	I work in the fitness industry and I post on social media, actually make content.
	And I'm 32 years old.
	32.
	You're from the Netherlands, you said?
	What part?
	It's on the west coast, The Hague.
	The Hague.
	The Hague.
	How do you say Denag?
	Den Ha.
	Den Hag.
	I've been to, I've been there, actually.
	It's nice.
	You've been to The Hague as well.
	Yeah, there's like a beach nearby, right?
	Yeah, exactly.
	Schieffeningen.
	Schieffenen.
	Yes.
	I was there.
	It was lovely.
	I've been to Amsterdam like three times.
	Okay.
	Lovely.
	It's one of my favorite.
	I don't typically like big cities, but I really actually quite like it.
	Beautiful, Amsterdam.
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	And you're from there, like you were born there.
	Okay, gotcha.
	What about you?
	My name is Casey Rivera.
	I'm 26 years old.
	I'm a server and bartender, and I currently live in Los Angeles.
	All right.
	And are you from LA or?
	I'm born and raised in LA.
	Gotcha.
	Actually, really quick, going back, any education, like college or university?
	Yeah, I went to Pasadena City College, got my AA, Associates of Arts to transfer, and then I transferred to CSUN, which is Cal State Northridge.
	Yeah, didn't finish.
	What were you studying?
	Communications.
	Com.
	Okay, gotcha.
	Any college or anything?
	Yeah, I did.
	Yeah, it's called University of Applied Sciences.
	And afterwards, I did university, but I didn't finish it.
	What were you studying when you were at university?
	Anthropology and sociology.
	Got it.
	And then any school for you?
	Yeah, it started actually at Santa Barbara City College and then transferred to CSUN for communications and journalism.
	Gotcha, okay.
	Your intro, please?
	Chelsea.
	I'm originally from Nebraska, currently residing in Virginia.
	I work in transportation.
	We specialize in agricultural hauling.
	And I'm 32.
	Education, some college, never completed.
	Gotcha.
	32.
	What were you studying when you were in college?
	I bounced around.
	I didn't really know what I wanted to do.
	All right.
	My name is Alina.
	I'm 20 years old.
	I'm from the city of Panza in Russia.
	I currently live in Philadelphia and I'm a student.
	All right.
	What are you studying?
	Business and information systems.
	All right.
	Welcome back.
	What about you?
	Hello.
	My name is Katrina.
	I'm 19 years old.
	I am born, raised, and currently located in South Florida.
	I am a full-time college student studying for my bachelor's degree in marketing.
	And I also currently just started building up a brand on social media for political and pop culture commentary.
	All right, welcome.
	My name is Felicity.
	I'm 19 from Santa Barbara, and I study business.
	All right.
	What about you?
	Warren Smith, 38 today.
	It's my birthday.
	Hold on.
	I got to play something for that.
	All right.
	Guys, it's Warren's birthday.
	You guys got to show him a little bit of love in the chat.
	Maybe we'll get him, we can do a birthday, some sort of birthday pop.
	We'll do champagne, maybe a cake pop.
	You like pizza?
	What do you like?
	Sure, man.
	We're going to do it all.
	We're going to do it all.
	Happy birthday.
	Thank you.
	So you just turned 38, right?
	Just turned 38.
	And where are you from?
	I'm from Massachusetts.
	All right.
	Boston?
	Just outside Boston.
	Just outside Boston.
	And education?
	Master's degree.
	What university?
	And what's the best?
	Emerson College.
	Video Field Production.
	You said film production?
	Video field production.
	Okay.
	Gotcha.
	Gotcha.
	And what's your current occupation?
	I do content creation now full-time on YouTube.
	All right.
	Rock and roll.
	And the name of your channel is just Warren Smith, Secret Scholars Society.
	Okay.
	And what, can you explain that?
	What is the Secret Scholars Society?
	What's the name of the show?
	That came from my thesis project.
	It's kind of a long story.
	Sure.
	During World War II, the role that Harvard played in smuggling over technology from England during the Blitz.
	So it kind of inspired the name.
	Got it.
	Rock and roll.
	Well, welcome, everybody.
	We're going to go around the table once more.
	What is your current relationship status?
	If you're single, how long have you been single?
	And what's the longest relationship you've ever been in?
	Go ahead.
	I am currently single.
	I've been single for almost a year now.
	My longest serious relationship was just about two years with my last, my most recent ex.
	Gotcha.
	So the one that ended a year ago was the two-year relationship, also your longest.
	Who broke up with who?
	It was actually, I know people hate when people say this, but it was mutual.
	It was mutual.
	We decided that we worked better as friends.
	We started as friends.
	I think just the romance kind of died a little bit and it just became more of like a friendly relationship.
	So we just decided that it's probably for the best, but we still get along and we're still friends.
	When's the last time you still hang out with him?
	Yeah.
	When's the last time you saw him in person?
	Yesterday.
	Question for you, though.
	From the point of when the relationship ended, there's a clear cut, right?
	Yeah.
	It wasn't like sometimes people do these breakups and there's like a lingering, you know, like a trail of continuity, but you're broken up.
	But you have not hooked up with him in the past year?
	One month after we broke up, we hooked up, but since then, no.
	Okay.
	So that would that be the clean, that's the clean break then?
	I would say so.
	Maybe one month after.
	Yeah, I'd say one month after.
	And then I think it's just, I feel like everyone just needs to get out of their system like one more time.
	And then you're like, okay, I'm good.
	At least.
	Maybe not.
	A breakup.
	A breakup encounter.
	You've been single for one year.
	Are there any guys in the picture currently?
	Not currently, no.
	I've definitely been on the dating websites trying.
	I don't know.
	I'm a little too picky, I think.
	I think I need to.
	You've been on dating apps?
	Yeah.
	Currently on them, don't love them.
	You're currently on them.
	Yeah.
	Which apps are you on?
	Raya and Hinge.
	Brian Hinge.
	And have you been on them since the breakup?
	I think I signed up like three months after.
	I just wanted to give myself some space.
	And then I was like, let me just see what's out there.
	So there's no guys in the picture now?
	No, not seriously, no.
	Has there been any guys you've dated like situationship or anything in the past year?
	Not in the past year, no.
	Nothing.
	No, I swear.
	No guy.
	No, I swear.
	Nothing.
	I'm busy.
	I have like two jobs.
	I've just been a little bit busy.
	Gotcha.
	And so you've been celibate for a year.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Celibate.
	Gotcha.
	Okay.
	Ever had a roster?
	I think in college, like max three people, maybe.
	Relationship status?
	Yeah, I'm currently in a relationship, and my longest relationship was four years.
	All right.
	How long is your current relationship?
	Going to two years.
	Two years.
	The four-year relationship, who broke up with who?
	I would say me.
	You broke up with him?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	All right.
	And so you've been seeing this guy for two years.
	What was the reason for the breakup of the four-year relationship?
	I found it a very controlling relationship and I couldn't continue it.
	He was controlling?
	Yeah.
	How so?
	Well, he started making all the decisions for me in my life.
	And I think, yeah, that feels like controlling to me.
	Was that towards because you were dating him for four years?
	How soon into the relationship did he start making all the decisions or some of the decisions?
	After a half year or a year or so.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	What were some of the things that he was doing that was controlling?
	Checking my bank account.
	Yeah.
	I mean, all my passwords.
	It's pretty much okay to have each other's passwords, you say, if you want to log into your social media account.
	Okay.
	But basically, yeah, controlling it, everything.
	Got it.
	Controlling everything.
	Okay.
	And would he also maybe say you can't hang out with this certain person or you can't listen.
	You can't wear this.
	You can't go there.
	That sort of stuff?
	Yeah.
	You said you're.
	Are you religious at all?
	Yeah.
	Are you Christian?
	Yeah, I would call myself Christian.
	Was he Christian?
	Yeah.
	Okay, gotcha.
	What denomination?
	Catholic.
	Both of you were Catholic?
	Okay, gotcha.
	All right.
	What about you?
	I'm currently in a relationship, and my longest relationship was three years, I think.
	How long have you been in your current relationship?
	Six months.
	Six months.
	The three-year relationship?
	Who broke up with who?
	So he was breaking up with me, but then I found out he was cheating on me and he was trying to keep it mutual, like a mutual breakup and stay in contact.
	So, yeah, and then I kind of just cut that off immediately.
	Well, he broke up with me, I guess.
	Okay.
	Plain and simple.
	He didn't cheat on you, I guess.
	Well, no, he was cheating on me.
	So it was so funny.
	We were breaking up.
	And then for some reason, because I was at his parents' house at the time and I had my stuff over.
	So then I started packing my stuff and I was like, let me just go through the iPad.
	I went through that iPad and then it turns out that he was sexting another girl in the same house that I was like sleeping with his family in.
	So yeah.
	Good times.
	Fun.
	Fun.
	Three years.
	Nice.
	All right.
	And how old were you when you were in the three-year relationship?
	So we started 2019.
	How old am I?
	26.
	How old are you?
	26.
	So 20, I think I was, no, I was 21.
	Yeah.
	Gotcha.
	Okay.
	Got it.
	All right.
	What about you?
	I'm in a relationship.
	My longest relationship was five years.
	I think that covers both of those questions.
	Am I missing something?
	Your current relationship?
	You've been in it for five years?
	No.
	Oh.
	Longest relationship, five years?
	Yeah.
	How long have you the current one?
	A year.
	Oh, one year.
	Okay, gotcha.
	All right.
	Five-year relationship.
	Who broke up with who?
	I broke up with him.
	You broke up with him?
	Okay, why is that?
	We started dating when we were in high school and we moved in together and I was paying all of our bills and he just kind of refused to get a job.
	So I had kind of had enough and I found an engagement ring and I was like, I can't live like this for the rest of my life.
	Okay.
	Got it.
	What about you?
	I'm in a relationship.
	It's my longest.
	And I love him.
	How long have you been dating him?
	Four years.
	Four years.
	Okay.
	Four years.
	You guys engaged yet or what's going on?
	No, not yet.
	I'm fighting for it, though.
	You're fighting for it?
	What does that mean?
	I'm fighting for that ring.
	You're fighting for the ring.
	What does that mean?
	I'm trying to prove myself to him that I can be a good wife and good mother to his children and that it's worth the commitment.
	Has that not been established yet?
	Again, I'm fighting for it.
	So the fight is ongoing?
	There's an ongoing, so he has doubts about your ability to do those things?
	Well, that's not a question for me.
	That's more of a question for him, but all I know is that I'm trying my best.
	You mean the guy you've been dating for four years, you haven't had the conversation with him?
	Oh, f***.
	Oh, yeah, we've had the conversation.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	He wants me to prove myself to him.
	So like two weeks ago, he was like, eh, I'm not sure about you.
	Not two weeks ago, I wouldn't say that.
	So maybe he has something in the works and you just don't know it yet.
	Exactly.
	Okay.
	All right.
	That's cool.
	Four years.
	So he's not sold on you.
	That's right.
	I mean, but he's with you.
	That's not a question for me.
	I don't know the answer to that.
	Yeah, well, you guys are both still finishing up college, right?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	All right.
	What about you?
	I'm currently single.
	I have been for about five months now, and my longest relationship was just over a year.
	Was that the one that ended five months ago?
	No, that was back in high school, that year-long relationship.
	How long was the one that ended five months ago?
	It was just two months.
	Two months.
	Very short.
	Who broke up with who?
	In this recent one, he broke up with me.
	Okay.
	And the one-year relationship, who broke up with who?
	I broke up with him.
	Broke up with him.
	Why did you break up with him?
	It became very toxic, and we were very codependent on each other.
	And there was a lot of pressure on me to be somebody that I could not be.
	Somebody that he wanted me to be that I couldn't be.
	And then this other relationship, it was him who broke up with you?
	Yes, in the recent one.
	Why is that?
	Loss of feelings.
	Loss of feelings.
	Okay.
	Good times.
	What about you?
	I'm single.
	I've been single for like two weeks.
	My longest relationship was almost two years.
	All right.
	Warren, what about you?
	I am engaged.
	Off the market settled.
	Congrats.
	Nice.
	As the old man here, I'm happy to speak honestly, although, about my experiences, if I can provide him with a male perspective.
	Sure.
	How long have you been dating your current?
	Two years.
	Two years.
	Gotcha.
	And how long have you guys been engaged?
	We were talking about it for a while.
	That's one of the conversations we can have around whether or not to get the government involved in marriage.
	I think there's an interesting dialogue there.
	That's one of the things that's been holding me up.
	It's like, how do we go about it?
	Do we need to get the government involved?
	Why?
	So you're thinking of just getting a sit or having a ceremony or something?
	Yeah.
	But not going to the courthouse and getting a marriage license and all that?
	No, it's the most legally significant thing you can do except for dying.
	You're entering a massive contract that I don't think most people understand the impacts of.
	And these past experiences I'm referring to, I came close once before, younger, and I learned a lot from that experience.
	So there are lessons to be learned, and that goes to preen-ups and things that I have an interesting perspective on that.
	It all ties into, I guess, the legality conversation.
	Sure.
	And you said you've been with your current partner for two years.
	Yes.
	What's the longest relationship you've ever had?
	Oh, man.
	I don't.
	I don't know.
	Don't know.
	There's been too many.
	There's just been too many.
	I'm going to try and be, I don't, this is a new environment for me.
	Sure, yeah.
	I don't usually do, let's just say.
	So I'm going to speak honestly as best I can that skill.
	So I don't know, like five years, maybe.
	Yeah.
	Sounds good.
	We have a chat coming in here from Desert Joe.
	Desert Joe donated $200.
	Thank you, man.
	Appreciate it.
	I've been a fan of Warren for a few years before he got canceled.
	Love his takes on various topics based.
	Glad to see him live and expanding his reach.
	Happy birthday, Warren.
	Thank you.
	Desert Joe, thank you for the message, man.
	Appreciate it.
	He says you got canceled.
	I guess is that true?
	What's the story there?
	Just, in a way, I was teaching at a high school and a video of me about after I met that girl, actually, which is interesting.
	I met you.
	Your girl.
	Yes.
	You're the one I'm settled with.
	Correct.
	About a month later, a video of me teaching I had uploaded to my teaching portfolio on YouTube and Elon Musk tweeted it out on X and it kind of went crazy and literally changed my life like overnight in this very strange way.
	And I saw this door open.
	I was like, this is a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity.
	I'm making very little money as a teacher.
	My whole life, I was describing how my whole background is wanting to connect with an audience through video.
	Suddenly I had that opportunity.
	So I was like, I'm just going to run as far as I can, see how far I can get.
	And that the school didn't like that, which in certain ways I can understand, they viewed it as a liability.
	Fired me.
	That became a story within itself.
	And it's led me to meet and sit down with Jordan Peterson, Joe Rogan, some of the people that I most respect.
	So it's been quite an adventure.
	And now I'm here with you.
	There you go.
	There you go.
	And I think I saw the video in question.
	You were like having a conversation with a student and just your Socratic method, kind of asking questions.
	That's my favorite thing to do.
	It was about J.K. Rowling.
	A student asked if my view of Harry Potter has changed, given J.K. Rowling's bigoted opinion.
	And we just had a five-minute exchange.
	And I didn't really think it was that standout or anything, but you can't explain these.
	I don't know why it did what it did.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Cool, cool.
	And maybe for like the panelists and the viewers who aren't familiar, it was about like J.K. Rowling and some of the like trans comments she's made.
	Is that?
	Yeah, the claim was she's transphobic and I just asked for evidence, as you described, with the Socratic method, which I wasn't consciously doing the Socratic method.
	That's my favorite thing to do is just have conversations like this.
	Rock and roll.
	And were you like let go from your job or what?
	I was fired.
	Oh, you were fired because of the video.
	Because of the video and the conversation you had.
	Yeah, a few months after that.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Crazy.
	Wild, wild stuff.
	We have another chat coming in here from one sec here.
	We got Just Gerald, and he writes, Warren, better keep it G, or chat's gonna regulate.
	Okay.
	You know, the song reference here.
	Thank you, man.
	Warren G, regulate.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	There you go.
	Here we go.
	Well done, Jesus.
	Just Gerald.
	I loved it.
	Thank you, man.
	Appreciate it.
	Thank you so much for the soup chat.
	Really appreciate it.
	All right.
	We're going to just dive right into some of my pre-show notes here.
	We're going to start with, let's see.
	one sec guys we have uh is it liana Yes.
	Okay, I got it.
	Liana.
	Yeah.
	You said, after dating someone for two months, you guys went on a trip to Bali together and he got your name tattooed on him.
	Correct.
	Did you get matching or was it just...
	No, I got c'est la vie.
	And how long did you, how long were you dating him after?
	So that was my most recent relationship.
	That was the ended up dating for two years.
	The two-year guy.
	But we were only dating for two months and decided to go to Bali.
	I was like, you do not have to get my name tattooed.
	I actually advise you probably don't.
	But I kind of liked it.
	I was definitely like, sure.
	I didn't get his back.
	So, I mean, he still has it.
	He still has it?
	Oh, yeah.
	Oh, the guy, you still hang out with him.
	Yeah, he still has the tattoo.
	Do you think he still has feelings for you?
	No.
	He's got your tattoo.
	I mean, he'll never forget me until he gets it covered up.
	I was just going to say, has he talked about getting it covered up?
	Oh, he said he has to.
	Because I always say, I'm like, oh, you're definitely seeing other people.
	And he's like, I literally have your name on my thigh.
	So now I don't.
	Wait, how long ago you broke up?
	About a year ago.
	And he still has the name?
	Wow.
	Maybe he does still love me.
	Do you guys talk still regularly?
	Kind of regularly.
	You guys hung out yesterday.
	Yeah, we hung out yesterday.
	That's the one from Western.
	But I always roast him for it.
	I'm like, yeah, you still have my name tatted.
	Oh, my goodness.
	I mean, he made that.
	I told him not to get it.
	Is there like a heart around it or is it just the name?
	It's just my name and person.
	Yeah, just Leanna.
	And has he, I mean, you guys have been separated for a year.
	Has he dated other women?
	Yeah, definitely.
	Like, seriously?
	And like, has he told you, okay, I was on this date with this girl and she saw the tattoo.
	Like, has he relayed to you stories about the tattoo as it relates to dating new and other women?
	I haven't really asked.
	It is on his thigh.
	So maybe as long as his pants stay on, like, he doesn't have to tell people.
	But yeah, I don't know.
	I haven't asked.
	That's a good question though.
	Maybe I should ask.
	Well, I would give my, I'll give my perspective on this.
	If I'm going to be dating a girl and she has another man's name tattooed on her, I don't think I could date her.
	Like, she could be like, he's dead.
	I haven't talked to him in 10 years.
	I'd be like, eh, you got to get, I can't, I can't do it.
	Where it's on the thigh?
	Yeah, it's like in front, like in his, like on his thigh.
	I suppose like the location would also impact it too.
	Like if it was like on the pubic, like on the hip, on the hip or on the butt.
	Oh.
	No way.
	I should have told him to get on this butt that would have been funny.
	Oh, you wait.
	Would he have done it?
	I mean, yeah, he was pretty in love with me at that time.
	So maybe.
	Wait, two months in?
	It's a red flag.
	Yeah, I don't know.
	Guys, we're not together anymore.
	Do you have a tattoo of your tattoos?
	I have one tattoo, and it's North Carolina.
	North Carolina.
	Yeah, North Carolina.
	Okay, there you go.
	Rock and my home state.
	Warren, when you were single, do you think, would it have been a red flag for you if you were going on a date with a girl or interested in pursuing something with a girl and she had a tattoo of another dude's name?
	Any name, no offense to anyone if anyone has a tattoo with a name, but I just think it's tacky because like how would a riot caused you to arrive at that thought process?
	You're not thinking like ahead to where this could potentially go sideways and this is a tattoo.
	So it just causes you to question the wisdom of the person.
	Hence why I got Sala V. Well, you were the smart one.
	We were getting tattoos and I was like, yeah, I'm going to get Salevy.
	He's like, I'm going to get your bag.
	What does that mean?
	It's like, that's life.
	Something like that.
	Who here has tattoos?
	Show of hand.
	Show of hands.
	So, Warren, boom, boom.
	No tattoos?
	Okay.
	All right.
	Rock and roll.
	Would you find it objectionable, those of you who do have tattoos, if a guy didn't want to date you because of your tattoo or tattoos?
	No.
	My current relationship, he doesn't like the fact that I have tattoos, so I haven't gotten any more since we've been together.
	Okay.
	You guys have been together for, you said what?
	One year?
	Yeah.
	Officially a year.
	Yeah.
	Gentlemen, do not, after two months in Bali or whatever, do not tattoo.
	Oh my god.
	I imagine that would be an issue, though, for any women who are like dating him.
	I don't know.
	Not with me.
	Maybe not.
	I would run for the hill.
	I do not like that.
	And to double down on that, though, it's not just that he has the tattoo.
	He still hangs out with you.
	I think that'll be the bigger.
	Yeah.
	Like, I could see a girl.
	Okay, whatever.
	It was in the past, but like, he has the tattoo and he's like kicking it with her all the time.
	Now, I believe you that it's just platonic or whatever, but like from the girl's perspective, she could be like, no, I always agree for sure.
	Yeah, I 100% agree.
	Like, if I, if the roles were reversed and I was the girl that he was dating and he had, you know, I probably wouldn't be interested, but sure.
	None of my business.
	I don't know.
	Well, moving on, you said that you refuse to date a man who hasn't moved out of his parents or slash lived on his own or with roommates before.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Who here agrees with that?
	Like, would you, would any, any of you here, if you, so I know a lot of you are in relationships, if you're single, though, would you date a guy who is currently living with his parents, mom, dad, whatever?
	Yes, would we?
	It depends on how old he is because, I mean, any age.
	My brother lived with our family throughout college and now he has his own condo, like, and he's relatively young.
	Well, I suppose you're 19, right?
	It's not at 19, it's definitely, especially during college, it's not uncommon to still be living with your parents.
	So let's say when you're 25.
	No, by that point, I would expect some more independence.
	Okay.
	So it'd be a complete deal breaker.
	It would be, it would, yeah.
	I would hope that he's on the right track to getting his own place, moving out, becoming independent in that sense.
	And make sure of it.
	Like, like, I would want it to be made sure of.
	Sure.
	So anybody would know?
	Wouldn't?
	I would.
	Oh, you would.
	Absolutely.
	Is that more common in the Netherlands?
	I'm not sure, but if he shows he's a productive person, he's working hard for his future and has plans to move out, then absolutely.
	Got it.
	Okay.
	I heard an interesting quote the other day.
	It went something along the lines of a woman is more likely to date a guy who lives with his wife than who lives with his mom.
	Any thoughts on that?
	It's very true.
	That's definitely true.
	Because sometimes a lot of the time when women see a man who's already married, they think like, what is so special about him that he is already married?
	And so they will kind of want him.
	I'm not saying that for myself, but for others, for some other people.
	And some women, if they see a man living with his parents, they think like he's not established enough to be in a relationship with her.
	Like she wants him to have her move in and have her like join a part of his life and not be with someone who still lives with his parents.
	But I think it's fine before marriage to live with your parents.
	It also depends on age too.
	Okay, there you go.
	Can I jump in real fast?
	I personally just don't feel like you can marry someone without living with them first.
	Coming from somebody who's personally, I know cultures and different people believe in different things, but personally for me, I've lived with two previous boyfriends and you don't really know somebody until you've lived with them and see their living habits.
	Like you may think that you spend every day with them, but there's going to be little things that bother you and it's whether that's livable for you or not.
	I mean, there's obviously things to look past, but I don't think you truly know someone until you like you see how they handle bills.
	You see how they pick up around the house.
	Like, it's just little things, you know, like them living in a space because that's when the walls really break down.
	And yeah, I don't know.
	That's just my take.
	I could never, I would definitely live with somebody before marrying them as well.
	What were the deal breakers for you then that you experienced?
	Financial responsibility, understanding that, I mean, that also goes back on like, I can't really date somebody or live with somebody unless they've lived on their own before and understand the importance of paying your bills on time and like having good credit.
	And these things do matter.
	And it's, you know, if you're going out to an expensive dinner, but you're like six days late on rent and you can't pay for, like, it's, it's priorities.
	I think it shows a lot of responsibility, independence, and priorities.
	May I jump in?
	Yeah.
	I totally agree with you as well because there are individuals that just, they spend their money irresponsibly.
	They might spend it on like a new fancy sports car when they could have spent, put that towards their own place of living, right?
	It just depends on how you allocate your money.
	And I understand, you know, economically, it's still kind of challenging with how things are.
	But, and I do think it is a cultural difference as well here and in other countries as well.
	But I think it really depends.
	It tells you a lot, like if somebody lives on their own, how smart they are with their money, how considerate they are with what they have, and how they allocate their money appropriately.
	I'm going to go ahead and add to that too, because my five-year relationship, that was the biggest issue is, you know, he's going out and he wants to spend money on X, Y, and Z, and then buys an engagement ring and I come home and I'm like, well, where's the money for rent?
	Why am I sitting here busting my ass and you can't even afford that?
	Going back to your notes, you also wrote that you need someone who's somewhat financially stable, responsible, and independent.
	You said you've been stuck paying an exes rent and bills in the past and you'll never do that again.
	Was that the two-year guy who you're paying his rent?
	There was a period of time where I was helping him pay his rent.
	We get along now and things have been smushed, but I think that that's a big thing where it's, I understand like losing a job and things get tough, but I just think that moving forward, I've realized now that I need to put my foot down a little bit better about that.
	I tend to just want to help people, but like paying someone's bills and rent is not fun.
	And how much was his rent?
	His portion was like $1,500, $1,600.
	Oh, you guys were living together.
	I see.
	Okay.
	Okay, so living together.
	Yeah, living together.
	So that's what it was.
	It's like we were under the same lease.
	So it's not like I was just paying his rent at his separate apartment.
	Like we lived together.
	And unfortunately, like he lost his job.
	So I was helping pick that up.
	But I think sometimes people can, I don't know.
	I just think that moving forward, I just need to make sure that like I'm not getting taken advantage of.
	I'm not saying that he necessarily did, but I just think in the future, like, I don't know.
	I just need somebody who's used to the financial burden and has a savings for when situations like that happen.
	Like obviously things happen, people lose jobs and you know, life isn't always predictable, but maybe just having a backup plan so that you're not always just leaning on the person.
	Yeah, was he employed?
	What was that?
	Was he employed?
	So he lost his job and that's when I started.
	Yeah, so supporting him.
	But I just think as I get older and I'm looking for somebody to be with forever, like, of course, you're going to help each other out, but it can not become a habit or something like that.
	What was the period of time that you were, I guess, fully supporting him by paying for rent and stuff?
	I'd say like three or four months.
	Okay.
	And were you frustrated by that?
	I think, yeah, it gets a little frustrating after a couple months in because, you know, he's, of course, looking for jobs, and I understand it's not that easy.
	But so you want to be supportive as a girlfriend and as a support system, but I'm not the richest person in the world, too.
	So, like, it definitely just takes like, what's the word I'm looking for?
	It just weighs heavily a little bit after a while.
	And you can't help but to feel a little frustrated, even if they're trying their best.
	It's just something that I can't.
	Sure.
	I'm not your mom.
	Sure.
	Sorry.
	It's hard to put pressure on a person when you have to feel like you have to take care of another.
	So, yeah, I can agree on that.
	But I also probably feel like maybe he also felt frustrated because, as a man, you want to feel like you can support and be, you know, the breadwinner and stuff.
	So, I'm sure it probably didn't help his own personal masculinity as well to feel like I had to support.
	Was he looking for a job?
	Yeah.
	No, I know that for a fact because I saw him going to interviews and he did a lot of like at-home interviews.
	But it's just, I can't help but to be frustrated when like I have to.
	Like, money is such a touchy subject.
	So, it's difficult, but it's also like you can't help but eventually feel annoyed.
	Like, please.
	How long did it take before you guys started to move in together?
	After a year.
	Yeah.
	So, after a year, we moved into.
	Weren't there already kind of signs maybe that he wasn't good with his money or anything?
	Not off the bat, not necessarily.
	We would go on really nice dates and really nice restaurants, but I just felt like maybe he had it like that.
	Like, maybe he was just, you know.
	Did he used to pay for all of the dates at the beginning?
	Yes, for the first few months.
	I always feel like eventually I'm going to want to pitch into.
	Like, I'm always, or there's been dates that I've fully taken care of.
	But at the beginning, he took care of all of them.
	And then, obviously, once we moved in together, it was a lot of split finances, of course, until I needed to help.
	But yeah, no, I've paid for dates, he's paid for dates, but I'd say the majority he paid for to answer your question.
	All right.
	We're going to move on to the rest of the notes here.
	We, you know, we're going to go to Alina here for a bit.
	Alina, you said femme's exist.
	I think we debated it on that a little bit last show.
	Is your position still the same?
	You know, I've done some growing, some maturing.
	You know, my frontal lobe developed a little bit.
	And I think now the term like incel and femme, it doesn't make sense because anyone can just, if they're so desperate, you can pay someone a lot of money to sleep with you.
	So can incel or femme even exist at all?
	Because you can pay someone, you can save up the money if you're so desperate and pay someone.
	Well, I wouldn't even, as it relates to femcelle, but I wouldn't even grant that to incels.
	What do you mean, like, granted?
	Like, I wouldn't say, okay, so yes, incels could purchase a prostitute, but I don't think that's really getting at what they mean when they say they're involuntarily celibate.
	Like, you wouldn't count prostitution, like paying for a prostitute, as an exception to that.
	No, I wouldn't allow that as like an exception either for femcell or incel.
	But it seems like it would apply more to incel, but it kind of relates more so to a non-transactional, although some people might argue that any sort of relationship dynamic has transactional components to them.
	But in this case, it's just like explicitly transactional.
	I think this more so applies to just the degree to which you can get sex absent like a transactional nature of the relationship.
	So like a genuine, a genuine sexual desire.
	And I would say prostitutes don't have a genuine sexual desire to sleep with their paid clients.
	I suppose it's logically possible that a prostitute could enjoy the transactional sexual encounter, but I think you have to remove the transactional component from it.
	But in this case, though, what I think we disagreed on before, well, I guess removing whether incels or femcells could just hire a prostitute, which they can't.
	Removing that argument, do you think femme can exist?
	I think that even if you try so hard and after a certain time you find someone, you find that guy who is willing to sleep with you, that up until that point, you would be a femcell.
	Even if it takes you a few years or a few months, for that time, you would consider yourself a femcelle, right?
	Because you're struggling to find someone to sleep with, whereas a woman who would not consider herself that could just would be confident that she can find someone right away.
	I mean, it's kind of a brain rot discussion anyway, but I think femcells could exist for that time.
	Wait, it was your prompt.
	It was literally your prompt.
	Like six months ago.
	The prefrontal cortex developed, you said?
	So back then, six months ago, you were just brain rot.
	Yeah, six months ago, I was pretty brainwaught.
	Okay, what's a non-brain rot convo you want to have then?
	Oh, I don't know.
	It'll come up.
	Oh, it'll come up.
	Well, then I'll quickly address this and move it on.
	Yeah, I mean, I just think ultimately, like, you could take like a really unattractive woman and a really unattractive man, and you throw both of them on a dating app.
	And I think that really unattractive guy is going to struggle substantially to get anything.
	And I think the really unattractive woman, if she makes herself sexually available, she can get sexual access within a couple days.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	I never disagreed with that.
	Like, I never said that the idea of a femcell or the concept of a femcell is as common as a male incel.
	That wasn't my point.
	I was just saying that they could exist.
	You're saying logically it's possible that a femme cell could be just even if it's for a temporary time.
	Even if it's for a temporary time, she would consider herself a femcelle in that time because she's like, oh, damn, like I'm struggling to find someone.
	I'm a femcell.
	And then she's like, oh, boom, I found this guy.
	I'm no longer a femcell.
	But I think there's a, like, femcell, I think it means they can't find a man of the appropriate standard to have sex with.
	Whereas like incels literally cannot, like, they can't even get anybody, even if they lower their standards.
	Yeah.
	So I think women struggle to get relationships sometimes.
	But like, I don't think that this necessarily means they're like, they have trouble procuring like a one-night stand or something.
	be really attractive and still struggle to get a relationship right but this would make you uh not a I'm not saying that.
	Yeah, it wouldn't make you femme.
	Because femme, it relates to celibacy strictly sex.
	Anyways, you say it's brain rot.
	So, I mean, if there's nothing to push back on, I'm not going to linger on it.
	But Warren, what do you think about?
	Do you feel like you're struggling to find?
	Oh, me, no.
	Me, no.
	Do you know girls that are?
	I knew a girl who she was struggling to, like, she was going out to places where she could meet guys, and she was struggling to get those guys to stick around, not just for a relationship, but also for like possible hookups as well.
	Like, she was down for something like a one-night stand or like a friends with benefits.
	And I was with her the one time she met a guy and then later on, a few days later, they were going to meet and he flaked on her and he said that he was homosexual.
	And so she said it's not the first time that she had an experience like that.
	So is there a pattern there?
	What do you think is causing that for her?
	I honestly have not, maybe I don't know her well enough to know that there could be some type of underlying problem that could be causing that.
	I think, you know, women can get laid easier than men, much easier.
	I agree with that, even if she's unattractive.
	But there can be cases where a woman is just really struggling to keep a guy around, even for something like a friends of benefits or even just for hookups.
	For maybe like something was wrong with her personality or like how she is with him when they're hanging out together.
	Like something just strikes like a red flag in him and he doesn't want to see her anymore.
	Could be something like that.
	Yeah.
	Do you want to tell you actually were a femme though?
	Me?
	At one point, right?
	I wasn't.
	No, never.
	Never.
	Never.
	Oh, okay.
	Anybody here ever identified as a femcell?
	First time hearing this word.
	First time hearing the word.
	Welcome to Brain Rot America.
	Has anybody here like, I guess I could ask this.
	It's one of the questionnaires.
	I don't know if anybody, well, I'll just ask it.
	Does anybody here think it's more difficult for women to get laid?
	No.
	No.
	Okay.
	That's pretty much it on that.
	Kat, thank you for the gifted 50 memberships.
	Really appreciate it.
	Let me pull up.
	There is one chat coming in here, so I'll just get it going.
	We have Lucas.
	Yo, Lucas, thank you so much, man.
	Call it a hunch, but Warren has been watching a bunch of James Sexton.
	Am I right?
	You know who that is, James Sexton?
	Yes, yes, I have.
	The New York City attorney, like family attorney, divorce attorney.
	Yeah, he has some interesting takes.
	He's the one who made a very compelling argument around why get the government involved.
	It's going so well.
	It's like, we're so happy.
	You know what we should do?
	Let's draw this up in a contract with the government because they do so well.
	So are you getting, you said you're engaged.
	Are you going to get a prenup?
	I don't think anyone should get married without a prenup.
	Honestly.
	And this could be an interesting conversation.
	I know a lot of people that's a controversial idea.
	That saved me in the sense of when I almost got married.
	She came from a very wealthy family.
	I was a school teacher and her parents were pushing for, and I didn't care about a prenup.
	I was like, oh, sure, we'll sign it.
	And there was all these family lawyers, and I pushed the process.
	But I realized having to have that conversation is what revealed what I would have been putting up with for the duration of being married.
	And I think it can lead to having, because if you can't have a conversation like that, it's just simply you should be able to have a conversation like that.
	And you're like, we don't expect this to go bad, but this will simplify both of our lives.
	And I can understand, I guess, from a woman's perspective, if you're marrying for a certain reason, you might not want a prenup.
	I can understand that.
	But I don't think you should scowl at a guy if he wants to have that conversation.
	I guess everybody here at the table, there's quite a few of you who are in relationships.
	Let's say you were dating a guy, you guys were engaged, and then shortly after, you know, you guys get engaged, whatever.
	He's like, BTW wants you to sign a prenup.
	Does it introduce a conflict into your relationship?
	Are you totally fine with it?
	Would you object to the prenup going around the table, starting with Felicity?
	Go ahead.
	One of the first times I was actually on the show, there was a woman named Alexa, and she was talking about what she thought of prenups, and she changed my mind about it.
	I think I would like a prenup.
	You would like a prenup, okay?
	Yeah, I don't think a prenup is a bad idea.
	I think it actually reveals a lot about a true person's colors, depending on how they react if you bring it up to them, right?
	And for me, I wouldn't mind because I wouldn't be marrying somebody with only intentions of just you know, of their money or taking their money, right?
	You have to have pure intentions.
	Sure.
	Can I have you tilt your mic down just a little bit?
	What about you, Alina?
	I think I need to be more familiar.
	What's a prenup?
	Like, what is the details exactly of a prenup?
	It's an agreement so that if the marriage goes bad, which over 50% of marriages do, it's just rather than having the government come in and drag this out through a legal process and screw one of the two people over in the end, most likely, and lose, cost you a lot more money.
	You can, just by having this document, it's not even having you sign it.
	It's just having an agreement between the two of you.
	It's just, this is how it'll, it's often, this is my resources going into it, your resources going into it, and this will be our resources during the marriage.
	This is how we'll deviate it up.
	It can be as simple as that.
	And James Sexton does a great job of articulating what that can look like.
	And it's so simple.
	It doesn't have to.
	We have this idea of what it is in our minds.
	It doesn't have to be that.
	Is there different rules for someone who's not planning to work?
	Like, let's say a woman is trying to be a stay-at-home mom or something, and she doesn't really have resources going into the marriage, but her resources are going to be what the husband builds up throughout the marriage.
	That's a good question.
	And this conversation allows you to figure that out before making this legally binding contract that is marriage.
	People go to Vegas or whatnot metaphorically and enter into this thing without realizing what they've just done.
	There's no handbook, is James Sexton's description of this.
	It doesn't come with a handbook.
	And this just allows you to figure that out before doing it.
	Are you going to, am I going to provide?
	Can we do this?
	Is that the expectation?
	And then if we do split, in the worst case scenario, what would be fair to you?
	And you come to an agreement before, rather than trying to come to an agreement now when you hate each other.
	Okay.
	I guess I'm down for that.
	Well, that you, prenups?
	I agree.
	I think they're a good thing.
	It's beneficial for both people.
	You go into it with your own resources.
	You leave with your own resources, your own debts, whatever it may be.
	It's not somebody else's problem.
	You brought all that into the relationship yourself.
	I agree as well.
	Just because it protects both of our assets, whatever we grow into.
	Like if, let's say, I boom up in my business and they boom up in their brand, then I think it's fine to protect both of our businesses.
	So yeah, I would definitely do the prenup.
	Yeah, me too.
	For the same reasons they mentioned as well.
	And you can really tell something about the other person.
	You can get to know them probably better through that way.
	Yeah, I'm 100% signing a prenup.
	What was interesting for the thing that went wrong for me, though, it wasn't even so, it did reveal a lot about her, but I kind of had already gone through this with her.
	We had broken up three times.
	It revealed her family dynamic and this team of lawyers and what her parents were expecting, which would have dragged on and dragged on as well.
	You broke up three times?
	Yeah.
	How does that work?
	We do stupid things.
	When we have a dream in our minds and we think, and on some level you're in love, it's vastly more complicated.
	And you fall in love with the idea, especially when you get to an age and that biology clock is ticking for all of us, especially you guys as well.
	And it just, you come back and you learn to, I learned to deal with, I don't want to throw around the term narcissist lightly, but you can encounter like a clinical level narcissist, and that is a pattern that they enact it, hoovering, bringing the person back in.
	And even when this happened, I was like, if you bail on this and blow this up, it's done.
	This is the third time.
	And I know you're going to try and do it again.
	Three strikes are out.
	Like, articulated that plain and simple, but they just can't.
	So learn to recognize that.
	They're out there.
	Okay, cool.
	Let's see.
	We're going to get into, where is it?
	Chelsea.
	Chelsea, you mentioned in your notes one of the dating topics you wanted to speak on is body counts.
	So what's your position there?
	I would have to say that I think women should have a lower body count.
	Do I think that's always the case?
	No.
	And I know that men judge women based on their body count.
	So I guess my question is, is like, how do females feel about a man judging them for their body count?
	How do you feel about your own body count?
	And do you like regret what your body count is?
	I'll open that up to the panel, but why don't you give us your position on that first?
	Which part?
	Just my thoughts on it?
	Yeah.
	Well, I mean, like I said, I think that women should have a lower body count.
	I mean, any man's desire is to have someone who has a lower body count.
	Right.
	But do you object to men, for example, having a preference for women who have low body counts?
	No.
	No, you're okay.
	Anybody want to?
	Yeah, I think it's the business of the men, of course, if they want it or not.
	But I also will judge a men if he has a high body count as well.
	You'll judge him too.
	Yeah, because I find it disgusting as well.
	So, yeah.
	I don't believe in the double, like the double standard where men can go and do whatever they want and women can, like are set to a certain standard.
	And I don't, I don't agree with people sleeping around no matter what, what gender you are, what sex you are.
	I think you should be like as close to like a low, as close to zero as you possibly can, because I think that shows a lot about how much you respect and how much you value yourself and you value the person that you plan, if you plan to settle down with, person that you plan to share your life with, and how you're going to set an example for other people around you.
	Yeah.
	Well, we do have a question here on the questionnaire is, or a statement rather, a woman's passion not matter.
	The only person who agreed with that was Leanna.
	Really?
	Yeah, you're the only one who circled that.
	All the other women here seem to think that a woman's past does matter.
	Why do you think or why do you agree that a woman's passion not matter?
	I don't know.
	I think if you're, say, 35 years old and you had a college phase where you dated a lot of people and you experimented, if I'm like, if it's like 15 years down the line and you're like settling down and you're not that person anymore and someone's like, well, 15 years ago, you had a roster and you slept with all these guys in college, so I don't want to be with you.
	I would just think that would be a little bit ridiculous.
	I don't know.
	I just think like, that's just like one example, but I just think that, I mean, also it depends like how severe, I guess, the past is.
	And everyone's entitled to their own opinion.
	If a man doesn't want to be with somebody because they've slept with so many people, then that's totally fine.
	You're entitled to your own opinion.
	But I just think it's, I think a lot of the time, too, men do expect a lot from women.
	But if you were to turn around and ask the same question, it'd be like, well, it doesn't apply to me.
	It only applies to you because you're a woman.
	I mean, I've heard, I had this one saying, someone in college told me, and they were like, a key that opens many locks is a good key, but a lock that many keys can open is a bad lock or something along those lines.
	And I just thought it was funny, but something along that.
	I'm like, that wasn't exactly it.
	I almost got it.
	You mentioned there's a college phase.
	Did you have a, what does that mean?
	What's a college phase?
	I mean, I didn't.
	I mean, a lot of people in college will sleep around or they'll date a lot of people.
	Not everyone, but I feel like people have phases.
	High school, I mean, whatever it may be.
	High school phase?
	I don't know.
	High school phase.
	Hey, yeah, it goes down in high school phase.
	I mean, 20s.
	Like, I feel like there's times.
	I mean, I know people.
	I know somebody who was in a relationship for 10 years all through high school and college.
	And then they broke up and they were like, well, I never slept with anyone else.
	So I'm going to go date around and see what I like.
	And I think that's totally fine.
	I sure want to do it.
	Did you have a college phase?
	I wouldn't say so.
	I'm unfortunately like a serial relationship dater or a situationshiper, which is horrible.
	Okay.
	Has anybody here had a college phase, party phase?
	Some people call it the hoe phase.
	I've had a party phase, but I wasn't sleeping with people for like.
	Anybody?
	No hoe phases?
	No.
	I went more on a dating phase because trying to get to know myself on what I like and what I would want in like a future partner or just a distraction in that moment.
	I'll be honest.
	If I would find a, no offense, like a situationship serial person more alarming probably than that.
	A college phase.
	I'm sorry.
	Like a serial person.
	A serial monogamous would make you more worried than someone who's had a bunch of dance.
	How'd you situationship like you're only sleeping with this person, but you don't have an official title?
	You're bouncing from like short relationship to short relationship rather than someone who's like, yeah, I had some fun in college.
	I'm not saying that.
	What if they're not short?
	I had a situationship before years and that was.
	Situationship.
	But yeah, the four-year situation.
	Yeah, that was horrible.
	Four-year.
	That's not a situation.
	Well, that's what I try to tell him.
	If you've never established the relationship, technically, it's a learned my love you to the situationship?
	No.
	Did he say it to you?
	He let it slip once and then he was like, I didn't mean to say that.
	Wait, were you only seeing him for those four years?
	It was a little bit on and off, but I pretty much was only seeing him.
	Because we, I guess for the first year, it was still like casual, if you would say.
	So I was open to dating other people.
	I didn't really.
	I catch Felix or someone and then I'm like not interested in seeing other people.
	I have that problem.
	And then a little bit into it, he was like, I don't want you hooking up with anybody else and I won't.
	But I also don't want to call you my girlfriend.
	And I was like, weird, but okay.
	And then so I was very loyal to that, but he wasn't.
	And I think it was just his way of like making sure I wasn't.
	And then he was going to go do his thing.
	Go tricked.
	Yeah, I definitely I definitely learned my lesson on that one.
	So, would you do it again?
	No.
	Right.
	So, then it wouldn't be serial.
	So, if I met a girl and she was doing that repeatedly, I'd be like, you're not learning.
	Yeah.
	That's a red flag.
	Well, I learned from that.
	That was like the last time I. If you can't figure out what you want with me in the span of a couple months, like, maybe we should just move on or call it what it is.
	So, yeah.
	And why would you find that more troubling, actually?
	I want to know your thoughts.
	Well, I think it's people do crazy things in college.
	And I can, I'm not saying you should do that.
	I can understand why that would be unappealing.
	But as opposed to that pattern, not that you are enacting that pattern, but I do think that that would be more of a red flag if you're trying to find a sustainable relationship than a balanced, well-rounded woman who had some experiences in college or whatnot, but also you don't.
	I'll just leave it there.
	But a lot of this you don't need to disclose.
	If you did some stupid things in college, I don't think it's the end-all-be-all.
	Just keep it private.
	That's what I would do.
	Okay, but you said you find it more troublesome going from situationship to situationship, and why would that be?
	Because it shows that you're not learning, as opposed to a short period of time of youthful stupidity, as opposed to an adult who should be progressing and learning from those experiences.
	That pattern is more alarming.
	If I'm just going to balance two patterns, I'm not saying either is good, but that would indicate more of a red flag to me.
	Does that make sense?
	Yeah, very much.
	Because it also kind of seems like the person is trying to attach themselves or try to fill a void rather than take accountability and kind of trying to find a sense of dependability on someone else, if that makes sense.
	Is that what you're saying?
	It could indicate a number of things is the problem.
	Okay.
	I see your side.
	Yeah.
	Going back to Chelsea, your notes.
	A disagreement that you had with the show is that you said sometimes execution of thoughts are poor.
	What do you mean by that?
	Sometimes you can like word vomit things and it doesn't me or no, no.
	No.
	I would say just in general, people who come on the show, they might say something and they word vomit it and then they're like, that's not actually what I meant.
	Oh, okay.
	So other people, I mean, I do that shit, but sometimes, okay, all right.
	Was there like a specific topic that you think the execution is poor on?
	My first question is: are you sure these are my notes?
	Chelsea?
	Yeah.
	Here, let me double check.
	Because I watch your podcast and I don't have any issues most of the time with what you.
	Well, you sent some like originally.
	Let me, I mean, I'll double check, but back in April.
	Yeah, April 5th.
	Body counts.
	Sometimes execution of thoughts are poor.
	That's pretty much it.
	Oh, no.
	I wouldn't be talking about you.
	I would probably say some of your guests.
	I don't think they always think through what they're saying.
	For sure.
	All right, moving on.
	You said, I think this is yours.
	Maybe I fucked it up again.
	You said one time you were pegging a guy.
	No.
	Wait, who's that?
	Oh my gosh, no.
	Wait, who's wait?
	Five-year.
	Is that you, Chelsea?
	No.
	Or Liana?
	Liana.
	Who sent me the fucking.
	It might have been one of the flakes.
	Hold on, let me fucking check on this.
	We had a couple flakes today.
	God damn.
	There's people flaking out.
	Let me find this shit.
	Speaking out, was that you?
	Unless someone hacked my Instagram, I wouldn't have said that.
	Five-year situationship with my younger boss.
	Okay, that part is true, but I did not.
	The other part.
	No.
	Hold on.
	What the fuck?
	Wait, so is it you or is it not you?
	No, that second part was me.
	The five-year relation situation is now my current.
	Yeah, but I wouldn't have said that other part.
	Unless he took my phone, which.
	You just embarrassed to admit it on camera.
	No.
	No, you literally, hold on.
	Chelsea.
	Chelsea.
	Yeah.
	Number six.
	Read the whole thing.
	One time you, I don't want to say I, but you did say I, but one time you were pegging a guy and he did doo-doo on you.
	Oh, I?
	No.
	Then he.
	It's in your notes.
	Okay, it might be, but I'm going to say that the person that I'm with right now, he helped me fill.
	No, seriously, he helped me fill these out and he's, he watches the podcast and likes to stir.
	Oh, so he's pranking.
	He prays.
	Yeah, he helped me.
	Okay, yeah, all right.
	Yeah, he's.
	Yeah.
	Uh-huh.
	Okay.
	No, seriously.
	Exactly.
	But did you actually peg a dude?
	Yes.
	Oh, okay.
	So this guy.
	What the fuck?
	What the fuck?
	This whole time you said no.
	Well, he kept going and I was like, wait, where's this going?
	Did you ask to do that?
	No.
	He asked for it.
	Yes.
	I think your man card gets revoked.
	I mean, I don't know.
	I don't know, whatever.
	Okay, whatever.
	Different strokes were different.
	You said your five-year situationship was with your younger boss.
	Yeah.
	So wait, you said you were in a five-year relationship, but it wasn't a relationship as well.
	No, that was a situation.
	Yeah, no, no, no.
	Oh, you did.
	You had a five-year relationship and a five-year situationship.
	Yeah, but the five-year situationship is actually like where my current relationship is at.
	Wait, with your younger boss?
	Yeah.
	Wait, you're dating your situationship?
	Currently, yeah.
	It was like four years of us like being in a situationship, and within last year we established our relationship.
	So you've been in an official relationship for a year, but you were.
	Is this the pegging dude?
	No.
	You pegged this guy?
	No.
	That was like the...
	Like I said, he likes to joke, so that would have been, yeah.
	Okay.
	But no.
	Five-year.
	But you were not exclusive during the five-year-old.
	During the four years, we weren't exclusive.
	Okay, and he's younger than you?
	Yeah.
	You're 32.
	How old is he?
	27.
	Okay, 27.
	So he was like 22 when you guys met, and you were like 27, I guess?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	And he's your boss?
	Yes.
	Where do you work?
	I work in.
	You don't have to say the place.
	I won't.
	I work in agricultural transportation.
	You're a truck driver?
	No, I am like an operations manager.
	So I manage truck drivers.
	You don't do the actual transportation, but you're...
	No.
	Okay.
	But like logistics.
	I deal with the logistics of things.
	Okay.
	So you're like in front of, you're in an office.
	Yeah.
	Basically.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	And he's your supervisor or something?
	Yeah.
	Have you disclosed this to HR?
	Is it a small company?
	Yeah.
	His dad's actually the owner of the company.
	Ah.
	Okay.
	It's a lawsuit waiting to happen, but okay.
	Okay, that's cool.
	You said you have a girlfriend, lesbian friend.
	Like you dated her or she's...
	I did.
	I dated her for a year.
	We broke up.
	We're better off as friends.
	We're currently friends.
	She actually just got engaged last weekend.
	Congratulations.
	To a woman?
	Yes.
	I see.
	Okay.
	But you were in.
	So you're bisexual?
	I dated one woman for a year and I, yeah, it was, I was going through a lot of rough stuff and just, just kind of happened.
	And then.
	Did something make you realize, like, yeah, I'm straight?
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	What was it?
	What was it?
	Yeah, what was that?
	Well, I mean, like a conjuncture of things, like a lot of things.
	Like I said, I think part of the reason that I was in the relationship is because I appreciated who she was as a person and like how she treated me and everything like that.
	But then I came to realize towards the tail end of things that we were just better off as friends.
	Like, why am I in a relationship?
	This should just be a friendship type situation.
	Hmm.
	Did you find her sexually attractive?
	Um, yes.
	Yes, in the beginning for sure.
	She was definitely more masculine in appearance and everything.
	So, wait, going around the table, what's everybody's orientation?
	Like, straight, bisexual, lesbian?
	I'm straight.
	Straight.
	Straight.
	Well, now straight.
	Straight. Straight. Straight. Straight.
	Okay.
	That's cool.
	And okay, I guess moving on then, five-year situationship with your younger boss.
	I noticed on your ex, you wrote, you hate being a girl.
	This is a long ass time ago, though.
	Your Twitter.
	Girl.
	Yeah, because I know, because it was probably when I was in college or something like that.
	It's old.
	Yeah, I don't get all of that.
	Also, you also wrote on your Twitter, man, I just left me a big old bag of dicks.
	I don't know what a bag of dicks is, but no, again, probably back in college with my high school/slash college boyfriend.
	And he, yeah.
	You said related to your current relationship with your boss, which was previously like a four or five-year situationship.
	You said his mom hates you.
	Why?
	Why is that?
	I don't really have a concrete answer, but what he and I have decided is she thinks that any female that he's with is going to end up stealing the lifestyle that she currently has.
	Her lifestyle?
	Yes.
	She works for the company in a very small capacity, but she goes on trips, vacations, things like that.
	And I think she thinks that any female that he's with, because he's set to take over the business here in the next, I don't know, extended period of time.
	And she's afraid that whoever he ends up with is going to have an like have some type of say in how her lifestyle will be changed.
	Do you think her lifestyle, for sure?
	Okay, so she's got like a cushy Nepo job.
	And if once he takes over, that's potentially at risk because of the new leadership of the company.
	Yeah, that or like their finances in general will be cut back because his dad will retire.
	And I don't think she likes the idea of that.
	Okay.
	All right.
	It's not about, it's not really related to like anything about oh no, she just doesn't like me though, too.
	Good times.
	That's yeah, yeah.
	She, uh, yeah.
	Okay.
	Uh, you said that you don't advertise at work that you guys are seeing each other.
	You keep things business at work.
	Uh, okay.
	You said you're curious as to how other females feel about how dating up social media.
	I'll skip that.
	Uh, you said that you feel like modern dating has turned into a pursuit for the next best thing.
	Women also think that sleeping around puts them on the same level as men.
	Okay.
	Eh.
	Eh, yeah.
	Yeah, I'm not going to bite there, but it's okay.
	Pretty much agree.
	I'm going to let some chats come through, then we're going to get into the rest of the notes.
	We have Josh Brooks here.
	Yo, Josh, thank you, man.
	Warren brings up a good point: simply having a conversation about different things that includes and affects both parties, seeing the reactions.
	Don't put blinders on to the reactions.
	And he has a follow-up message.
	He says, he had a girl one time bring this up and out of nowhere, asked me how I pronounce Demi Moore's name, turned into a whole situation after I said it wrong, and asked some clarifying questions.
	Be careful, guys.
	Wait, all over how you said her?
	Did she get the ick?
	You broke up with your girl because you didn't know how to pronounce Demi Moore?
	Bullet dodged, I guess.
	Bullet dodged.
	Thank you, Josh Brooks, for the messages, man.
	Really appreciate it.
	Good to see you, man.
	We got Beat in Cheeks.
	Oh boy, he's got a roast for you guys.
	Chair one and four have more red flags than the CCP, Chinese Communist Party.
	Stay away from them, folk, folk.
	Folk.
	Okay, plural that.
	Body count is going to matter for established men, perhaps not low testosterone males.
	They don't mind getting leftovers.
	Oh, my goodness.
	Wow.
	Okay.
	From beating cheeks.
	You have thoughts on that?
	Well, I said the body count does matter.
	Ah, there you have it.
	She did say that.
	She did say that.
	Okay, we got Lucas.
	Thank you, Beaten Cheeks, though.
	One, chair one, one sexual temperance is optimal for both sexes, but there is a double standard.
	I've said this in a previous episode, but trust me, double standards very much go the other way as well.
	E.g., when I turn 18, I signed up with Selective Service.
	You didn't.
	When the Titanic goes down, you get whisked off to the lifeboat.
	I hang out and listen to the chamber orchestra.
	When some beaches in Normandy needed storming, a bunch of 18-year-old boys were sent to do the storming.
	You stayed back and played Rosie the Riveter, etc.
	I believe this is in response to when we were talking about body count and you were saying how there's maybe a double standard as it relates to this.
	Like men maybe get judged less harshly when it comes to their promiscuity, whereas women get judged quite harshly for theirs.
	I'm still confused on what he said, to be honest.
	I just saw a bunch of them.
	I was like, I get lost in the middle.
	I have a question for you.
	What decade was World War I?
	Why do we have to do this right now?
	Just a basic.
	This is a historical discussion podcast.
	Don't look at me.
	1920s.
	1920s?
	1920s?
	1918?
	Oh, you shouldn't have answered.
	Yeah, you're helping your girl out over here.
	God, I'm going to look so stupid right now.
	Lucas, do you want to add a clarify?
	Lucas, you got her all confused.
	You're throwing World War II history at her.
	It's crazy because my ex was a big history buff.
	But I think when he started to talk about it, I just started to kind of like drift off.
	He loved to talk about it.
	And I was like, you lost me.
	Did he talk about the Roman Empire?
	Do you want me to talk about the Roman Empire?
	Did he?
	Oh, I was like, I don't even.
	Like I said, I got, he said a lot of things about all of the.
	We have a lot of, like, we had a lot of books in our house about World War II, so he loved to talk about it.
	But sorry.
	Okay, going back to Chelsea's notes then.
	Let's see, Chelsea.
	No, actually, we finished Chelsea's notes.
	We did.
	Kasumi, what are the green flags when it comes to dating?
	I would like to know that.
	We were always talking about green flags.
	Well, yeah.
	I think for a man, you need for a man, he needs to be capable.
	And I mean, with that, I mean if we're both playing a game or something, he needs to be showing that he's good at it.
	Like Mario Kart or something.
	What game?
	What kind of game?
	What are we talking about?
	Let me see.
	Like, we're playing soccer, for example.
	If he sucks at it and I don't, it's kind of like, yeah, I like a bit of competition, I would say.
	But also in handling situations outside, maybe someone drops a bag with a lot of groceries.
	If I see him act upon that and help the person out with the grocery bags, then I think that's like a really green, good flag.
	Now, my English is probably not explaining this very well, but being capable, being able to do things better than other people.
	Competent.
	Competent.
	That's ours.
	I get your point because we're always in the game, whether we know it or not, at some level.
	Every area, basically.
	I think that's a big green flag for a man.
	All right.
	We'll go around the table.
	Give us like one green flag.
	Green flag.
	Yeah.
	Not taking life too seriously.
	Sense of humor.
	Okay, sense of humor.
	What about you?
	I feel like discipline and knowledge are very important.
	Like someone that wants to grow and has goals for themselves.
	I feel like that's a really green flag for me.
	I would have to say, like, someone who's compassionate, like towards other people.
	Compassion?
	Okay, Alina?
	Green flag?
	I would say if he has a lot of leadership qualities and he's dominant, that's a green flag.
	This sounds probably bare minimum, but somebody who's mentally stable.
	That's a great.
	Yeah, that's definitely a green flag.
	Okay.
	Emotional intelligence.
	What is that?
	Someone who can someone who can express their emotions and communicate productively.
	May I jump in?
	Somebody who's not emotionally unavailable or somebody who's not emotionally constipated.
	Yeah, pretty much.
	Yeah, what does that mean?
	Emotional unavailability.
	You said emotionally constipated.
	Yeah, it's just like a funny way of saying emotionally unavailable.
	I guess just unable to struggles to empathize or be able, like empathize, not in a sociopathic kind of way, but just struggles to express themselves, does not feel particularly comfortable being vulnerable in a relationship, and that can in turn affect a relationship overall.
	There's a lot more aspects than just a relationship, I think, in all aspects of life.
	Absolutely.
	Because I think usually women experience men just shutting down and not wanting to talk about things.
	And emotional intelligence is the opposite of that.
	They can't.
	I experienced that with my ex.
	It was like so hard to have a conversation sometimes because he would just shut down and I'm like trying to talk about it.
	Then he brings it up later.
	He's like, oh, but I was upset about that.
	I'm like, but you didn't tell me.
	Yeah, I want someone that can communicate productively.
	Exactly.
	And then it also affects us as the more emotional counterpart or emotionally intelligent counterpart, I guess, in this case, where then we don't feel comfortable.
	It kind of reflects on us and it makes us feel uncomfortable opening up or expressing ourselves to our partner because we feel like we're going to be judged or not well received by them.
	Right, yeah.
	Making our feelings feel valid.
	So you're open to express your feelings and he's open to receiving them and understanding them.
	What if her feelings are wrong?
	He can say that.
	Like what if she's just wrong?
	If he disagrees with her.
	I get you feel that way, but you're just, you're wrong about the disagreement or the issue.
	Those are two different things, right?
	You can feel something, and that can be legit, but your choice in something could be the wrong thing.
	I suppose there can be some degree of separation, but, I mean...
	Expressing his opposing opinion.
	Like, it's okay to feel this way, but you are wrong about it.
	Like, if...
	Do you mean in the sense like somebody cheats and they're like, I feel bad about cheating, but it's still wrong that they did that?
	Like, what do you mean?
	No, no, no, no.
	That's not what I'm.
	Like, the way she feels about the situation.
	Like, for example, you guys could agree that someone might like feel this doesn't really necessarily relate to a dating context, but somebody might feel scared, but there's actually no actual reason for it.
	It's like an irrational fear.
	Right.
	Sometimes that happens, right?
	Sometimes you can feel something and cannot really explain why that is.
	That happens.
	I struggle with this.
	It's very frustrating.
	Something I need to improve or whatnot.
	But it appears like that on the surface.
	But also, you've got to see what is that guy dealing with and what's the dynamic of that relationship.
	Is he expected to provide entirely?
	And there's also different degrees.
	If you just lost a parent or something very difficult happened versus I'm having a bad day or a subtle fear or something, I'm often oblivious to it.
	Men have that more often.
	Usually women focus on little thingies and their emotion can go up and down and men are not really aware of that.
	But some men are and probably that fits into that as well.
	Often we're aware of it, I think, but we just there's almost something instinctual about like, okay, but I have other things.
	You don't say that out loud, but your mind is okay, but I have all these things I got to do right now, and you're trying to address that as well.
	But you said something interesting.
	You were like calling them out.
	Like, it's okay to have opposing opinions.
	And I think that it's okay if your partner doesn't want to talk about it right now.
	Like, they can tell you that I don't want to talk about it.
	And if they do want to talk about it and they think that you're just being irrational, they just don't agree with whatever your thoughts or feelings are, that's okay.
	You can talk about it.
	Yeah, I think there can be a lot of miscommunications as well because some people deal with their issues differently.
	Like for some people, it may be more beneficial to not talk about their issues all the time because it can make it worse for them.
	Whereas for others, they want to talk about their issues to someone that they care about.
	Like for me, for example, if I'm stressed about something, I don't want to talk about it because if I do, it's going to make me think about it more and going to make me more frustrated about it.
	For some people, it can be opposite.
	So it's important to establish what your communication style is, I guess, in the relationship before you jump to conclusions of any kind.
	I agree with that.
	Okay.
	Did we get all the way around the table?
	Felicity, did you say a green flag?
	Yeah, I was the one that said emotional intelligence.
	Oh, that was you?
	Okay.
	Warren green flag when it comes to dating.
	Being able to, this kind of goes back to being able to have those conversations, but I don't want this to be a red flag, but often, say you're on a date or something.
	I was just thinking about this the other day.
	A couple years ago, I had a date at this bar, and J.K. Rowling came up, ironically.
	And this girl was like, I was like, why do you care about this so much?
	And then I knew in that moment, I might as well leave this date's over.
	I was like, whatever.
	I'm just going to have some fun with it.
	What evidence do you have that she's transphobic?
	And like, just to hear it out.
	It was just mind-blowing, though.
	And that's happened in so many different iterations around, like, oh, Jordan Peterson says something I really think is intelligent.
	Wait a minute.
	Are you racist?
	And it leads into this whole thing.
	I can't tell you how many times I've encountered conversations like that.
	So I guess what I'm trying to say for a green flag would be kind of someone said sanity.
	It's just mentally stable.
	More just, yeah, like the word based is thrown around a lot.
	Learning to deal with her emotions, like learn that she knows how to handle her emotions.
	In a way, yes, but it's also rational.
	It's that's very important to be able to, if they don't have control of their emotions, just like in a guy, it's hopeless.
	Absolutely.
	But it's more just, are they caught up in the narratives that are going around?
	That kind of goes to the idea of the red pill, blue pill idea.
	Because our world is just full of stories that people are buying into.
	And the moment you question that, just on the level of Jordan Peterson said something, it's wait a minute, what is that?
	Who are you?
	That's the response you can get.
	And it's more common than you think.
	Green flags in a woman.
	Green flags.
	Probably.
	I enjoy acts of service, receiving, not giving.
	So she's basically like, if she's down to basically, not literally, figuratively, be a slave to like do shit for me.
	Big green flag.
	Oh, you know, I got like some trees at my house.
	You want to water the trees?
	All right.
	Like doing chores, yard work.
	I'm putting her to work, basically.
	And she's like on board.
	She's like, yes, give me things to do.
	She's a keeper.
	I agree.
	And I would describe that as traditional values, which is one of the big green flags.
	And the person I'm with now, and that was something that I didn't encounter much before.
	It was literally the phrase, I'm looking for a man with traditional values.
	And that was like, ooh, that was a big green flag.
	She should be able to plow a field.
	If she can plow a field, you know?
	Let's see.
	What's another green flag?
	Temperance.
	So I like, I don't drink or do drugs or smoke or anything.
	So I definitely prefer a woman who not really a drinker.
	Doesn't go to bars, clubs, that sort of thing.
	What else?
	I like a whiskey at night.
	And she doesn't drink at all, but she doesn't get on my case about that.
	And I kind of laid that out there as something that's important to me.
	You will never, here was the deal I made.
	I was like, you will never see me drunk.
	And if I'm ever drunk, if I can't, in an emergency, do what I need to do, like call me out.
	Like, you won't see that.
	And that's the kind of the deal that we made.
	I thought you were about to say, like, in some emergencies, I might need to get drunk.
	Getting drunk emergency.
	What are some other green flags?
	A lack of vanity.
	Lack of vanity is big.
	What does that mean?
	Well, this would manifest itself in a couple different ways.
	So I typically prefer women who wear minimal or no makeup.
	I'm like a natural body supremacist.
	So I don't like plastic surgery.
	I don't like Botox.
	I don't like lip fillers.
	I don't like any of that stuff.
	But along with that comes the discipline to maintain, to put in the effort into fitness so that you can get to that natural beauty.
	Nothing stands out.
	Like I think what you're saying, like natural beauty.
	I don't mind makeup, some makeup.
	But just someone, because if someone is naturally, it shows discipline.
	And I think on so many different psychological levels, it's not just, oh, you're attractive.
	It shows that you have the discipline and willingness to put in, even once we're in this relationship, into the future.
	I think guys are often thinking about that quietly without saying anything.
	What is this woman going to look like years from now?
	Is she going to get comfortable and everything's, you know, it's superficial, I understand, but a man doesn't want to be attracted to anyone else but you.
	Ideally.
	I'm okay with like a little mascara eyeliner.
	I'll allow it.
	I'll accept it.
	But anything you're putting on, you know, it can be overdone.
	You don't want to be catfished like in person or anything.
	Yeah.
	And well, it's interesting the thing with makeup is like, as a guy, you can be consciously, like, you can see the foundation or powder or whatever it's called on her face and like and all the other makeup that she has on.
	And you can be consciously aware that she is wearing makeup, but you still can't quite pierce through the veil that makeup that makeup sort of the illusion it creates.
	You can maybe take some like guesses in your mind's eye of like what she looks like without it.
	But like the effect of makeup, I think strikes at a bit more of like a subconscious level almost, where it's like the bamboozle, even if you know she's wearing makeup, the bamboozle has still like hit you.
	You're perhaps more attracted to her than you otherwise would be had it not been for the makeup.
	So yeah, ideally, you don't see the makeup.
	I think when that's what you kind of want.
	But if you're going to be in a relationship with her, you're eventually going to see her without the makeup.
	I mean, some of these girls, man, they keep that shit on.
	At night, you can see it.
	You can be like, babe, like, you know, wash your face.
	Like, you can see if she has a little bit, you can still see it.
	Yeah, eventually.
	Yeah, sure.
	Even if you're going to be in my bathroom and you're going to wash your face before.
	Eventually, you would see it, but I mean, I'd still prefer, like, it's not that I will eventually at one point see what you truly look like.
	It's just I have a preference leaning towards people who just don't wear again, mascara, a little mascara eyeline or whatever, not a big deal.
	But if you're doing like full face, typically not my thing.
	Not my thing.
	You have something on?
	Can I jump in on this?
	Sure.
	What if on a day-to-day basis, it's just mascara, but you are going out to a nice dinner or to an event, so she wants to put on like more makeup that day or something.
	Like, are you weird about that?
	Would you just rather her always be natural?
	I feel like sometimes there's an occasion where it's like, yeah, yeah.
	I would be flattered.
	Like my boyfriend also prefers me with nothing on my face.
	So I would be really flattered if he says, you don't have to put on any makeup.
	Right.
	If she, like, for a specific event, if she wanted to wear makeup, I'd, yeah, I'd probably be fine with it.
	But I, I would tell her, you don't have to do it.
	Like, you don't, I wouldn't care.
	But if she wanted to do it, I don't think I wouldn't have any objections to it.
	But if like she's wearing that shit on the regular, eh, not a fan.
	Not a fan of it.
	That's fair.
	Yeah.
	And I was thinking about this the other day, though, with the whole makeup thing.
	And I don't know if like sometimes, I don't know.
	Y'all really like to defend your makeup.
	Like you get offended.
	You'll get upset.
	Like the fuck he's coming for the makeup.
	He's coming for the makeup.
	Would you do this trade-off?
	This would just level the playing field across the board.
	No women could wear makeup.
	Nobody could wear makeup.
	Would you give up makeup under those circumstances?
	You have to, right?
	Right?
	Well, it's the idea here.
	I think one of the reasons women wear makeup, it's compared to what.
	So if you're like, all the other women are wearing makeup, and if I don't wear makeup, it's kind of like steroids in sports.
	Well, all the other athletes are doing steroids.
	They're going to outperform me, outcompete me if I don't do the steroids too.
	But if no women wear makeup, there would be less incentive to wear makeup because no other women are wearing it.
	I mean, I guess there's other differences.
	Like there's the internal component too.
	So that would be the external, but the internal component is like just your own vision of yourself and wanting to feel comfortable or confident when you go out or whatever it is.
	But if nobody else is wearing makeup, even that would be somewhat reduced, I guess.
	No, I agree with you 100%.
	I feel like it's all the internal part is because we all are surrounded by makeup on a daily basis.
	Like you look at a person, you're like, oh, she did her makeup.
	She looks great.
	So I feel like I need to do my makeup to look great.
	And then it's just stuck in your head and you can't get it away from it.
	So no, I completely agree.
	If no one wore makeup, I think we'd all be a little bit happier.
	My bigger grievance, though, has to do with plastic surgery.
	I'm not a fan of plastic surgery.
	Anybody here?
	Botox?
	Can you tell about that?
	I just tried to raise my eyebrows and they were just like.
	What is it?
	What's the measurement that they use?
	I have no idea.
	Is it CCs?
	Units.
	How many units of Botox?
	I actually don't know.
	You lost track?
	No, I mean, they don't.
	I just told them this is where I want it, and I don't know how many they did.
	But have you gone like multiple times to?
	I've only done it twice.
	Oh, twice.
	It's like a once a year.
	Lift.
	They wiggle.
	Okay, they move.
	Very much.
	Have you had the filler in the lips?
	Yeah, just a little bit.
	I don't like to go overboard.
	Anybody else had lip filler or anything?
	Okay.
	Yeah, I'm not a fan of all that stuff.
	Sorry.
	Apology accepted.
	Makeup.
	I think also everybody, especially women, like pretty things.
	They like to look pretty.
	They want to feel pretty.
	So I think next to social media, because social media is pushing all the women to wear a bunch of makeup.
	But I also think that women just like to look beautiful and feel beautiful.
	And makeup is a part of that.
	But are you doing it to enhance your features or are you doing it to hide something?
	That's the line in there.
	If makeup was banned, people would still find loopholes in it.
	Like girls would use berries and stuff and like stuff that's like red or different colors or whatever for your eyelashes.
	Like in Egypt, they used to use all types of stuff like before like charcoal or I don't even know.
	So decoration.
	Just stuff that's not makeup, but just like with every other law, people would find loopholes in it.
	Well, sure, I suppose.
	But the idea here is like you would just totally get rid of makeup and then I don't know.
	There's just like a social cultural zeitgeist where it's like, okay, we're just generally not going to put shit on our face that alters our appearance.
	But how would you know that if somebody has raspberries on her face, like for cheekblush, you wouldn't see that, but you would just see, I mean, but you don't know what it is.
	It could be just her natural face, you know what I mean?
	All right, Miss Loophole over here.
	Yo, hey, get us some raspberries.
	We're going to have her put some raspberries on her face.
	Do we have any fruit back there we can have her?
	We got some of those pizza, some pizza.
	Some pepperoni.
	Some Dorito dust.
	Should we put some of that on your face?
	I would think the world would be a better place, actually.
	It would be healthier for us, but we also would have less competition between women because women, I think they silently compete with each other.
	It looks better than the other.
	So I think it would be actually a good idea.
	I think it would actually be a good thing to like.
	Well, first off, I mean, the makeup, the cosmetic industry is like a trillion.
	Maybe I'm exaggerating there.
	It's like half a trillion dollar industry yearly.
	And like, think of those, think of those cargo ships sending that paint from fucking China across.
	And, you know, they're burning bunker fuel.
	I don't know if you guys probably don't know what that is, but they're burning bunker fuel and shit.
	And it's just like so that women can feel moderately more attractive.
	Holy shit.
	You know, I like one thing I like to test out with environmentalists, female environmentalists.
	I asked them, would you be willing to never wear makeup again?
	Anyways, that's stupid.
	Sorry, we're getting off topic.
	We got some chats here.
	Josh Brooks, okay, gotta ask the panel, what is your most embarrassing dating story?
	Something that happened in public or private, intimate or not, that was embarrassing and stayed with you.
	Anybody got an embarrassing dating story?
	Besides the pegging for you over there?
	Sorry, I guess.
	I feel like I do, but I cannot think of it on the spot.
	I think it's bad enough that a guy got your name tattooed on it after you're in.
	I mean, that's pretty.
	I'm flattered, personally.
	I'm not embarrassed.
	Do you think he would be embarrassed?
	Oh, I'm sure now that we're not together because he does tell me all the time that he regrets it.
	And I was like, okay, most embarrassing.
	I don't know.
	I've got a couple.
	I got a bunch.
	Shit, wait.
	Okay, let me pull up my bad dates.
	Fucking notepad thing.
	One time I was on this date with this girl and she was coming over and like at my place where I was living at the time, there's a bunch of hedges, bunch of hedges.
	And she like, there's two different entrances.
	And there were spiders, like spider webs in the hedge.
	And she got, and she was coming over and it was going down, right?
	But she got bit like, and she can't, so she got bit, walked through the spider web, got bit by the spider.
	Needless to say, and then she started feeling unwell.
	So needless to say, I got cock blocks by a spider.
	That was pretty embarrassing.
	There was another time I was on a date with a girl and I had a actually kind of like one of these.
	I had a big water bottle with me.
	I brought a water bottle.
	When I'm home, though, I have like an RO reverse osmosis water system.
	I'm on this date with her and it's going good.
	It's going okay.
	But I could, you know, by the end of it, I don't know.
	It wasn't a good match, whatever.
	And we're getting up to leave.
	And then she's like, hey, I need to, I just want to say one more thing to you.
	She's like, that water ball you have.
	She gets really serious.
	It's like, it's really bad for the environment.
	You should like get like a glass thing.
	And I'm like, I'm like, well, I tell her, I'm like, look, I don't drink out of this shit.
	Like, I have it at home, I have a glass, you know, cup.
	And she's like, well, even when you're going out, you know, you should just have a glass, you know, like a little.
	A glass cup.
	And then I was like, hold on, let me fucking debate you for a second.
	And I was like, well, what kind of car you drive?
	Because I happen to drive a hybrid.
	Oh, you don't drive a hybrid?
	Well, fuck you.
	And then I was like, oh, you're wearing makeup.
	That shit came in a plastic container.
	I see you're wearing a little bit of something.
	That shit came in plastic.
	But she got upset that I pushed back.
	I mean, it was clearly nothing was going to happen.
	But she felt the need to be like, make a stand against me on a date because I had a plastic.
	I'm not even joking.
	Like, this actually happened.
	And I don't know if she was expecting for me to allow her to lecture me.
	Like, because it was kind of, she was condescending with it.
	It wasn't just like, hey, I had a really nice date.
	I don't know in what, I don't even know how you could like phrase that sort of thing to make it not be condescending.
	But she was like, really, she was upset with me because I had a plastic water bottle.
	So I was like, the fuck.
	And so I had to, like, I'm the type of person, I don't like conflict, but if you're game, I'm gay.
	So I'll argue with you.
	But then I started arguing back with it, not like insulting her, but I was just like, well, let's investigate your footprint.
	What is it called?
	The footprint?
	The carbon footprint.
	Let's investigate yours.
	And I was like, do you do XYZ?
	And then she started getting up, like, she just wanted to, she wanted to say her piece and leave.
	But I will not allow an environmentalist to have the last word.
	So that was really embarrassing.
	And the whole, the bar started overhearing this shit.
	Oh, gosh.
	She waited till the end of the date.
	Like, she was like, you're saying your goodbyes.
	And she's like, by the way, your water bottle.
	Yeah.
	So it was like, it was towards the end of the date because we were there for, I don't know, two hours or whatever.
	And I was like, hey, the convo was good, but I think like she wasn't really feeling it, whatever.
	And then I was like, okay, well, hey, it was nice meeting you.
	You know, whatever.
	Later.
	And like, as we're about to get up, she's like, one more thing.
	That was pretty bad.
	She saw the water bottle.
	Do you mean embarrassing for us or for them?
	It just wasn't.
	That was like mutually embarrassing.
	But it could, I think, embarrassing for you.
	Oh, the next one.
	Or both.
	I don't know.
	Well, I don't know because, I mean, mine wasn't, I mean, whatever.
	Why do you have to say that?
	What about someone?
	Something like that kind of happened to me.
	Like, we had a good date.
	I don't know.
	It wasn't really a date.
	We kind of just like hung out.
	And at the end, he was driving me home and he's like, by the way, I'm a SoundCloud rapper.
	And I was like, okay.
	And he said, do you want to listen to some of my music?
	And I'm not going to say no.
	I mean, so I was like, yeah.
	And it was just the worst stuff I've ever heard.
	And I never saw him again because it was just really uncomfortable.
	And he kept asking me like five times if I liked it.
	And I was like, yeah, I like it.
	It was awful.
	Did he write any songs about you?
	No, it was like a mixture of like Screamo, like metal music and rap.
	And I would have never expected it from him.
	Like he just seemed like a totally normal guy, but I guess he makes Screamo rap.
	It wasn't for me.
	I knew a SoundCloud rapper back in high school, like early high school that was trying to date me.
	And he wrote a couple songs about me.
	It was really sweet.
	That's cute.
	That actually reminds me that there was a situation not too long ago where I tried to go on a date with this guy.
	And he drove me back home after and wouldn't let me get out of the car.
	I know that sounds horrible, but he was like, hold on, wait.
	And he puts on, he puts on the Grease soundtrack and like locks the doors.
	And I, I swear, like from start to finish, started like singing.
	I started like horsebacking.
	Wait, hold on.
	Like he had the C. Was it a C?
	No, like he pulled it up on like Spotify or whatever and like from like started playing every single song in the Grease soundtrack.
	How long were you in the car?
	Well he like I kept saying like he's like wait or no this one and then he put on like hopelessly devoted to you and I was like I have to go and I actually started recording him secretly because I couldn't believe I was like nobody's gonna believe me.
	Oh my god.
	Yeah sorry.
	The grease.
	Yeah so random.
	Yeah like fully like the grease soundtrack.
	And he sang it.
	Yeah he was like belting it super high pitched.
	I was like kind of a green flag.
	I'm not gonna lie.
	Oh you should have heard it.
	Do you think that's a green flag?
	I think that's a green flag.
	No, my skin was crawling.
	I was like in a car and a guy just sit there saying to you that you went on a date with him?
	He wasn't like holding you hostage.
	Well I kept like trying out.
	He's like, no, no, no.
	And he kept like locking the door.
	I'd like unlock it.
	He's like, no, like you got to hear this next one.
	I was like, I've watched Grease before.
	Like I know what comes next.
	You don't have to sing it.
	Did he, what about like that part where it's like, tell me more, tell me more.
	Did she put up a fight?
	That would be a scary moment for me.
	I mean, when he first locked the doors, right, when I went to go grab the handle, that already scared me.
	I was like, I'm going to get out now.
	And then he asked if I wanted to go another date and I said no.
	While you're in the car or like after?
	Oh, yeah.
	He just kept texting me.
	He was like, so like sushi?
	And I was like, so like, no.
	Sorry.
	What would be the worst musical to start singing while you're on a date with a girl?
	Oh, wait.
	And then after, sorry to interrupt, after that one, he did, what was it?
	The Pitch Perfect.
	That's what it was.
	Like, there was like one Pitch Perfect song.
	That's when it really got me.
	He was like, went from Grease to Pitch Perfect.
	I was like.
	So he was a theater kid.
	I didn't think so, I guess.
	I don't know.
	Was this like a Hail Mary?
	Just like, fuck, it's not going well.
	Maybe if she hears me sing Musicals from the 1970s or whatever.
	Or was it the 80s?
	I don't know.
	Damn.
	Yeah, I don't know.
	Jaw was to the floor.
	He was blasting it.
	I was like, my neighbors can hear this.
	Like, please shut the music.
	It would be cute if it wasn't like a first date.
	And she's into musical.
	I'm sorry, if you're married, that's an insta divorce.
	If, if any women here, if you're married to a dude and he starts singing like Grease Lightning, you gotta.
	Well, it gets cute if he's like into theater stuff.
	Like, that's cute, I guess.
	But he tries to come off, he tries to come off very like hood kind of.
	So that's when it was like, wait, he tries to be like, he's like a sneakerhead and like tries to be very like no, when he started singing Hopelessly Devoted to you, I was like, I'm out of this car now.
	If it was at least a little bit predictable, I'd think I'd give him the benefit of the doubt.
	I unfortunately showed it to all my friends.
	I immediately sent it to you.
	Did you have the videos though?
	Yeah.
	Is it on your TikTok?
	God, no, I didn't post it anymore.
	I didn't want to like publicly, I didn't want to publicly humiliate him, but I definitely sent it to the group chat and I was like, can somebody just feel this with me?
	Because it was next level secondhand embarrassment.
	Poor gosh.
	I watched that in the group chat and then I was like, I can't.
	I can't even.
	I couldn't even finish it.
	I watched the first five seconds and I was like, she was not stuck in there for like 10 minutes.
	No, it was definitely like a five-minute long video.
	I was like, gotta go.
	You need compensation.
	Yeah, no, I really do.
	Poor guy.
	What if a guy?
	What if a guy just started?
	I'm trying to think what if he started rapping.
	Would that have been better?
	That's happened to me before, too.
	That's what happened to me.
	I think all the genres.
	I had a guy start freestyling and he asked me to hop in.
	He like put on like a tight beat on YouTube and was like, damn.
	Yeah.
	That was kind of funny because I feel like it's cringy, but it's at least kind of funny.
	Like at least it's not.
	That's like a bonding experience.
	It's like freestyle date.
	Yeah.
	What would be the worst song though to sing to a girl?
	Hopelessly devoted to you.
	Let's see.
	We have Chaw here with a message.
	Hey, Warren, happy to see you on the podcast.
	I've enjoyed a lot of your content.
	There is something enjoyable about listening to someone who looks like a leftist say based shit, though.
	Do you want to respond to that?
	That's fair, I guess.
	Wait, throw on, you should throw on the jacket.
	You know, maybe, I don't know.
	We have someone looks like they bought a t-shirt.
	Thank you, whoever did that.
	Okay, moving on with the notes here.
	Let's see.
	That person was.
	Oh, wait, where am I?
	Okay.
	We have, oh, back to Kasumi.
	What can women do to become more desirable to men and vice versa?
	Why don't you start?
	I think become a little bit more feminine.
	That would help a lot for men.
	I think women are taking the lead too often when dating and in relationships.
	And if you're not allowing the men to do these things, then he wouldn't feel needed.
	So why would he choose you?
	I would say.
	So I think one of the first things is, yeah, looking at yourself and how can you become more feminine.
	I think being more feminine would make you more desirable to men.
	Okay.
	Anybody else have any thoughts on that?
	What can women do to become more desirable to men and vice versa?
	Oh, I agree with that 100%.
	I think being feminine, it's very important.
	And to exude those qualities for men, I mean, at least in the conservative realm of things in the conservative dating area, it is important to exude those qualities as a woman as it is for a man to show qualities of being a provider and being able to trust him to,
	you know, in my case, you know, if I'm going on a date, I want to make sure that eventually in the future they'd be able to support me.
	And I think those qualities are important.
	But for a man to be able to show those off, I think the woman has to trust him and learn that level of trust.
	And for a man to be able to provide and be able to do those things, a woman does have to exude some feminine qualities to make him trust her in return.
	But the man has to exude.
	I'm sorry.
	No, no, the woman exudes feminine qualities.
	You know, men will be more willing to provide for her, such as, you know, wife qualities, like what Brian was saying, like willing to do certain like, you know, acts of service or favors.
	I think men will be more willing to commit themselves to a woman that will provide those qualities.
	I think, though, if men were just more dominant and they can have a woman be in their feminine nature already, I think that's what helps be woman or helps women be in their feminine nature.
	Because I feel like in my, in this, in my past relationship, I felt like it was always 50-50.
	That's why I kind of felt like I was in touch with my masculinity side and my feminine side, but not so much my feminine side.
	And now in this relationship that I'm in, he just kind of took the lead.
	So I've been already in my feminine side since the gecko.
	So I just feel like it's not more so women need to learn how to be more feminine.
	It's just men need to learn how to take the lead and kind of open the doors and show and just be the, I don't know, just be dominant.
	I know I 100% agree with that because it takes, you know, we have to learn, we have to be able to trust you or trust men.
	And I can say from my first relationship, which was, you know, in high school, looking back, I felt more like the man because he just exuded more feminine qualities because he was so emotional.
	It felt like it felt like, I don't want to say it felt like I was dating a woman, but sometimes it did feel like it.
	And it's like, I didn't feel secure.
	And, you know, that was my first relationship.
	So I didn't know what security or what healthiness looked like.
	And the problems in that relationship were more than just he acted more feminine.
	Like he had, you know, it was a very toxic relationship, very underneath the surface.
	But, you know, I didn't feel, I didn't know how it felt to feel feminine.
	So I totally agree that the man does have to prove himself as well.
	I think it goes both ways.
	I think both parties do their share.
	I think it takes men longer than you guys even think for men to develop to that point where they you have to, the way I describe it is you have to become it before you can be it.
	And it has to be real in a sense.
	When you're young in your 20s, it's like you're playing a game in a way.
	You're trying to go through the motions to simulate these things because it's not cognitively embedded almost.
	And we're living in a culture as well.
	I think many men at that age are afraid to show any dominance.
	Of course, because they want to cross some line.
	So a good thing that women could do would be to kind of give permission.
	I don't know how that would be.
	I think that I'm sorry.
	No, go ahead.
	I think that would be more of like a communication, sort of like a situation for communicating within the relationship and within going on dates.
	I feel like that's part of the point of dating.
	Get to know people to see if you are compatible, if you are well aligned.
	And that's why it's important to get, you know, examine those gender roles from the beginning, I feel, like to make sure, especially when you're politically aligned.
	I think that religious faith is.
	It's very important.
	So you can avoid the dynamic that Brian encountered, the dynamic I encountered in the same scenario just with J.K. Rowlings, the same thing where they're just shocked that you would disagree.
	And it's like as if they've never encountered that before.
	Exactly.
	And I think, you know, I mean, I don't know.
	I think like, you know, the feminist movement in some way has also contributed to making men feel more, like, retreat into their shells and feel scared and not be able to step up, feel capable of stepping up or feel comfortable stepping up and feeling dominant because they're worried they're going to be accused of something like a Mew Too movement or something.
	Dominant has a bad connotation, though.
	Yeah, we need to change that.
	I think it's important that we change that in a more positive way.
	Not toxic dominance, but healthy dominance.
	I think that's very important.
	Where's the line?
	Where's the line?
	Yeah.
	Do you believe in toxic masculinity?
	No.
	Okay, interesting.
	Does anybody believe in toxic masculinity here?
	I think there can be toxic people who can be masculine.
	I agree with that.
	There's toxic humanity.
	You were new.
	Toxic masculine.
	Well, I'm just saying it from my culture.
	I think Hispanics, like in different countries, they can kind of have a little more of a machismo attitude where it's, oh, I'm the man of the house, so this is my rules.
	It's just kind of, that's where I kind of believe in the toxic masculine.
	I can't say that word.
	Masculine.
	Masculinity.
	So where's the line between that and dominance, though?
	In dominance, I would say like just taking the lead of just, I think it's the wording of it, right?
	Because in the household that I've been in, it's more so like they were always talking.
	There was always saying like, oh, I have to, or you have to do that.
	This is what I am.
	I am.
	I don't have a proper example because I don't know.
	Say it in Spanish.
	I can't.
	But I would...
	Would you say in your...
	Sorry, go ahead.
	Because...
	Because, like, let's say trying to find a new way.
	Well, they have respectful conversations about how things are going to be handled in your household.
	They were not respectful.
	It would just more so be like, like, this is my way or no way.
	You know what I mean?
	It's more so that.
	I'm on board with that.
	What's wrong with that?
	Well, no, but I think that can be toxic because then you're not really listening to the other person, right?
	Whereas in like dominance, as you said, it's more so the healthy dominance of like, hey, like, I want to do this.
	We have these conversations in the sense of like, this is why I want to provide for you, rather than it only being one way because of that person.
	But women can be my way or the highway as well.
	So where is the masculinity part of this?
	Oh.
	Touche.
	I like what you said about men, that they sometimes feel like they need to be careful expressing their dominance because when they make a mistake, I often feel like they have it a lot harder than women.
	Like women, oh, if they make a mistake, I'm just a girl, it just happened.
	But when a man tries to do something or acts upon something, if he chooses wrong, usually society is way harsher on them.
	So they might be, especially, I think, in the last years where, of course, feminism has been gotten so strongly, they feel like, oh, I'm not going to try anyway because they think I'm doing it wrong anyways.
	So I like that you mentioned that.
	Of course, that's why I also mentioned women, I don't know where it starts.
	Is it the men or the women?
	But women should give space for them to act in their dominant energy.
	Because not everywhere, it's not safe for them everywhere to do that.
	I think.
	Yeah, that's a good point.
	I thought it was a really, I don't want to.
	Oh, no, go ahead.
	Go ahead.
	Someone brought up the Titanic example, and that's one that comes up a lot on here.
	It's a Lucas, yeah.
	I know some guys are like, well, that's.
	And I want to ask them, the ones that don't think it's fair, what would you have gotten in the lifeboat?
	And many of them would probably be like, yeah, why not?
	And then I want to ask, what if your kids were on shore and they were going to hear the story later, and then there was going to be a movie made, and you're being depicted in the movie, now you live on.
	It's like, would you die for that?
	Well, what's your answer to that?
	Would you get on the lifeboat, try to get on the lifeboat?
	No.
	Or would you stay with the sinking?
	No, but everyone's probably going to say that, but no, I think because it's as unfair as it is, it's the same reason you'd be storming a beach or whatnot or drafted.
	Well, this is where I diverge a bit from you, Warren.
	I mean, so my own personal decision, if I was on the Titanic, and this is, of course, assuming I have an option to choose to go on it, like there's not other men who are basically like, nope, stay back.
	Even then, I'm like, I'm fucking fighting to get on that shit.
	I don't care.
	So the guy in the movie, you would do that.
	Was there, it's been a minute since I've seen Titanic.
	He grabs the kid so he can get on the lifeboat and save himself.
	If there's no Reaper cuts.
	Oh, yeah.
	I will, if there's the most innocent baby, I'm going to punt the baby and take the seat.
	No, I mean, I'm about self-preservation.
	Obviously, there's limits.
	Like, there's certain things I suppose I wouldn't do to if it comes at like, eh, well, it's kind of like that question.
	Would you annihilate everybody else to save your family, your wife, and your children?
	That's a different.
	I probably would.
	Actually, wait, hold on, let me think about that.
	That might sound really good.
	I was going to say, so you would kill the entire human race.
	Yeah, yeah.
	So, okay, the question is, would I get on the life preserver on the Titanic?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, sure.
	But it's like an honorability thing.
	Like, would you want to be the guy who jumped on the lifeboat while someone else died?
	Like, you would have to be that for the rest of your life.
	The guys in the Titanic movie, like, I can deal with guilt.
	You know what's better than guilt?
	Still being alive.
	The guys that are depicted in the movie on the Titanic that are jumping on the lifeboat, now, over 100 years later, there's dudes clowning them to this day because they're the guy that jumped on the lifeboat.
	If you don't mind that, that's up to you.
	If you don't mind living with that, if you don't mind that being your legacy, then that's cool.
	What's the point of being alive?
	Legacy.
	Legacy.
	Well, look, I suppose.
	I'm in the movie with Leonardo DiCaprio.
	Fuck yeah.
	I don't know.
	I mean, you're going to go back and re-watch the movie and be like, oh, shit, I don't know.
	I don't know.
	Did they look bad?
	Did they look bad really bad early?
	Yeah, they look really bad.
	No, I would fucking sit there like he just sits there like, fuck you.
	I would be double finger like, oh, yeah.
	But to be fair, this is like a totally different social order back then where there were more traditional expectations.
	Like now, if it's there's a fucking I'm sitting across like but the but the girl sitting across from me on the lifeboat judging me, she's like she's a porn actress and she's like, you're not upholding your traditional male standards.
	I'm like, well neither.
	You're literally a prostitute.
	I don't care.
	Okay, but you shouldn't you be the change that you want to see in the world?
	What's the change that I want to see in the world?
	What is it?
	So you tell me.
	Do you want the world to be back like more like it was during the Titanic times when the women on the boat were like chaste modest women and the man is like super masculine like yes, I'm going to save this woman and not jump on the women.
	Yeah, are women holding up their end of the bargain on that?
	But I'll answer your question, but are women holding up their end of the bargain on that?
	In what you like the imaginary world?
	Yeah, currently no.
	So all women are chased and blah, blah, blah.
	No, that's not the case currently.
	That's like in the imaginary world.
	But we'd have to analyze at the individual level as well.
	Yeah, sure.
	Well, and also, just because women reject their traditional gender roles, it doesn't necessarily mean men must also reject theirs.
	But I reject the disposability of males.
	So I think, yeah, I would, I'm against it.
	That's the only way I can answer your question.
	I don't think men should like die for strangers, basically.
	I think there's an argument to be made.
	Should men die for like their family, their children, maybe their wife.
	But if there's a war.
	And let's say there's a repeat of D-Day.
	We don't go just in terms of the same thing.
	Who will then?
	Yeah.
	Well, you know, it's interesting.
	I mean, maybe I'm being a bit pedantic here.
	I think the United States involvement in World War II is a bit overstated.
	Like Russia would have just, Russia would have wiped the floor with Germany.
	But that's another conversation.
	There's no wrong antagonist.
	Yeah.
	It's a really fascinating experiment.
	It's difficult because, I mean, my position on war is I find most wars, even many of historical wars, like just kind of pointless.
	World War II, there is a more stronger ethical moral argument there.
	World War I, kind of totally pointless.
	Archduke Franz Ferdinand was assassinated and that had a cascading effect where all these European powers gone.
	Anyways, Vietnam was stupid.
	I feel no national duty or pride to go bomb Southeast Asians.
	That was kind of ridiculous.
	Invaded us.
	Like a defensive war.
	They had to enact a draft.
	Should they be drafted?
	Should women?
	You know what?
	Would you want them running around with guns?
	No offense.
	The Dutch woman, yes, she can.
	I feel like you can handle yourself.
	I shouldn't have said it like that, but I'm just...
	I mean, the thing is, I...
	You're gonna...
	While I do consider myself more conservative, I have some divergences in so far as I consider myself like a male advocate.
	Some people call this like men's rights advocacy.
	So I put that beyond conservative positions because conservatives and feminists are actually similar in a lot of ways.
	But what do you mean?
	In how conservatives and feminists are similar?
	So I think, well, it depends what brand of feminism we're kind of looking at.
	But I think there's a component of feminist movement that looks towards men's agency to like, but there's a blame that goes on.
	Like, it's men's fault.
	Men need to fix it.
	Whereas conservative will say won't put a blame on men, but they'll still say like agency falls on men.
	Men need to be the ones like fixing problems and like being responsible and like leadership positions and like wartime and being soldiers and so forth.
	I get you.
	I just don't think it comes from, I think it comes from the fabric of reality.
	It's not coming necessarily from society.
	It looks like that.
	It's just an unfair aspect that is baked within the fabric of reality itself.
	Yeah.
	So I, but I don't know.
	Like, there's probably definitely been historical wars, probably like smaller scale conflicts where it was just like there's a belligerent, an aggressor who's like, we're going to conquer your land.
	And then like the people, the soldiers in the defensive position there, I think there's like good argument to be made that these men should step up for the defense of their land.
	And by extension, like historically, there were a lot of like war crimes committed towards women like S.A. Grape and for example.
	So like probably a cohort of men in these societies don't want to see their women, either their wives or just their country women, I guess, getting graped.
	And then they just want to.
	And then if they do lose the war, the men are going to get killed anyways.
	So it's like, that's kind of compelling.
	But would I want to like, if it was the late 1960s, early 1970s, would I want to get shipped off to Vietnam?
	No, Yeah.
	And I wouldn't feel like patriotic if I went to like Vietnam and just, I don't know, that specific war.
	I don't, I didn't, I wouldn't have seen the purpose, but I agree with that.
	There might have been a more noble cause, like in World War II.
	Anyways, I feel like I'm just kind of avoiding.
	No, no, you're fine.
	So did I?
	I don't know if I even answered your question, though.
	I think I was just yapping.
	I'm intrigued in the difference between conservative or the comparison of conservatives and feminists.
	And how they're similar.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	I think the best way there are obviously not the same, but there are a lot of similarities.
	I mean, maybe you've heard of the, what's it called?
	The horseshoe?
	What's that called?
	Horseshoe theory, where like the political spectrum, like as I could be misstating this, as you get to some of the extremes of like the left or the right, they tend to have like a lot of similarities, actually.
	I'm not a like political guy, so I'm probably butchering that explanation.
	But maybe to bring it back to your point, weren't you asking something on this?
	About draft or what?
	Lost my train of thought.
	Yeah.
	It initially started with her asking if you wanted to be the change you want.
	Oh, yeah.
	Well, I mean, I don't know.
	I think when it comes to the Titanic specifically, I would have no objections men opting to try to self-preserve their life.
	Like, I wouldn't, like, I would, if it's like, oh, there's a woman, I'm going to give my seat on the life draft for a woman.
	For a stranger as well, it's like logic.
	Yeah.
	It's less that she's a woman.
	It's like I would also not give it to another man, too.
	But there would be a social pressure component of like women and children first.
	So if I could opt to take the seat over a woman, I would.
	I guess it just comes down to how you want people to see you, how you want others to see you.
	And like down in history, do you want to be seen as the guy who saved himself?
	And as a result of that, there was women and children.
	Bro, look, I don't care.
	Like, I'm dead.
	I'm not gonna like.
	I don't think you should be a piece of shit while you're alive, but I think it's fine to like want to self-preserve here.
	Here's the, here's my position.
	That will probably piss off the whole panel when, if there's uh, I think the let's say, I'm with my girlfriend or wife or whatever, and one of us has to die, She can die.
	Like there's a bullet and hypothetical bullet right, one of us has to take the bullet, She can take the bullet.
	You would have to live with that for the rest of your life though.
	You know what I'm saying?
	Hypothetical ways.
	Like if you don't care about that, I guess that's your life.
	But for some people, they just could not live with that.
	Like my wife died.
	My wife died and I'm still alive.
	My child died and I'm still alive.
	Like I'm still in this world.
	I still have the audacity to like go and live my life and like stuff like that.
	But the people who I love most in my life, who I made a commitment to like that, they died to save me and I'm still alive.
	If you find you living with that.
	If you feel I would have bad feelings.
	Do you have a kid?
	No.
	It's not about feelings exactly.
	It's also how people who know you see you.
	You're like a public figure.
	It's how everyone would see you.
	How you would go down in your history?
	Well, I think it's actually, I'll go down in history as being incredibly honest because most people would virtue signal on this point.
	But when they're in the actual heat of the moment and like a lot of people would virtue say, oh, yeah, I would sacrifice my life for my girlfriend or wife or whatever.
	I think most men are actually honest when they say that, but there's probably a cohort of men who will virtue signal and say, yeah, I'd be willing to sacrifice my life for my girlfriend.
	But like, for example, Andrew Tate, he says, oh, it's my duty.
	The reason that I get to have this traditional dynamic with women where they're like doing all the XYZ things for me and I'm going to be dominant, they're going to be submissive is because I'm going to be willing to protect her.
	And if that means potentially dying for her, then that's why the woman should be submissive.
	That's one, he probably has other arguments too.
	I actually don't believe him.
	Andrew Tate dates, has multiple women.
	Like he's a unidirectional polyam.
	Like he, they're all exclusive to him, but he sees multiple women, right?
	I'm confident that he would sacrifice any of his women to continue living.
	Like he's a, it's a total virtue signal.
	Maybe that's favorite.
	Did I say Andrew Wilson?
	No, you said Andrew Tilson.
	I said Andrew Tate.
	Okay.
	Yes, Andrew Tate would not sacrifice his life for one of his many girlfriends.
	So he claims it's his job to protect.
	Therefore, in order to protect, that requires the authority to protect.
	I'm not saying I agree with him.
	Yeah, yeah.
	But do you plan to have multiple girls or just one?
	No, but I'm saying that like what I am saying is that I think I would believe a majority of men who say they'd be willing to die for their wife in this sort of hypothetical scenario.
	But I think there is a cohort of men who will virtue signal and lie about it.
	For sure.
	But they wouldn't.
	I'm just willing to say, no, I would not be willing to take a bullet for my wife or girlfriend.
	there's also men who say that and they actually mean it and don't you think it would make your girl uh want to be more submissive to you if she knew that you would take your so you're saying i should lie No, not lie.
	I actually mean it.
	Oh, so just change the worldview.
	Want to die.
	Yeah, but I'm just not.
	Like, I'm just not.
	Why?
	But one day you might have a kid, and I've experienced this.
	And when you have a kid, it changes and you will.
	And suddenly you'll feel that.
	You're like, whoa, I would give myself for someone else.
	Oh, yeah.
	So to be clear, like for a child, separation.
	For the child, yes.
	Wife, nah.
	What if she's breaking relationship?
	What if she's pregnant?
	We're going to get into a fucking abortion now.
	Nah.
	You wouldn't save her life if she's.
	Because that's your child, too.
	You know what I'm saying?
	It makes it more complicated.
	How far long?
	Oh, God.
	She's eight months.
	You can see this.
	A life in her life, no matter what part of the womb.
	What's that?
	A life isn't even like that.
	What starts at conception?
	I agree with that, but I suppose it would have like some.
	She's two days pregnant.
	Oh, yeah, she can take the bullet.
	Four months.
	Where does it start where now it's like my child?
	I'm not saying it's.
	So I'm going to go ahead for the sake of well, I'm going to head and grant that life begins at conception.
	So she literally, the sperm implants or whatever the fuck, she can like, yes, still take the bullet from that point on.
	At what point does that change?
	Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
	Yeah, where do you draw the line?
	Just to be clear, I'm not making, I'm not making or taking a position on abortion by saying this, but like the head's popping out, like, and the doctor just goes crazy.
	He's like, I'm going to fucking stab your baby.
	I'll be like, ugh.
	And just jump in front of the knife or some shit.
	I don't know.
	Some crazy chicks in the fucking operating room with us.
	You were saying in the future though, if you had a kid and it was you or the kid who had to die, would you die for your child?
	Yeah, for my kid, yes.
	Just not for your wife.
	Yeah, because I could just get another wife.
	Just not for your pregnant wife who's pregnant with your twin sons.
	Twin sons.
	Oh my gosh.
	Triplets.
	Ah, man.
	It's hard.
	It's hard.
	I don't know.
	I would do as much as I can.
	This is like the Jordan Peterson cop out.
	I would do as much as I could to not be in this concept.
	I would never be in this.
	I've made so many mistakes.
	So many mistakes.
	I would just, you know, do everything in my power to not be in that position.
	Would you want your wife to die for you?
	Would I want her to die for me?
	She wants.
	Sure, that'd be, yes.
	That's a ride or die.
	Like, she's probably lying about it.
	No, I don't want to be ride or die.
	She has to be.
	She has to be right or die.
	Why does she owe you that loyalty then if you're not going to owe that loyalty?
	Because I believe in unfair dynamics.
	Okay.
	A bit feminine.
	I don't believe in fairness.
	What's that?
	It's a bit feminine of you.
	How's that feminine?
	Wait, hold on.
	Let me.
	You want her to be aware of that.
	People say, look, go ahead.
	Say that shit.
	You want her to die for you, but you won't die for her.
	Of course.
	You want her to want her to be here.
	But here's the thing.
	I don't want to die for her.
	Well, I wouldn't not date her.
	But if she's like, Brian, I accept that you will not take a bullet for me.
	I love you so much.
	I'll take a bullet for you.
	Why would I not?
	But what is it?
	Why would I not do it?
	I don't care.
	Most women wouldn't, anyways.
	So it doesn't determine if you date her or not.
	If she takes a bullet for you or not.
	It's not a deal breaker, is what you're saying.
	No, if she was not willing to take a bullet for me, I wouldn't.
	Because I don't think men look to women to be protectors.
	Of course not.
	So if she's like, I wouldn't take a bullet for you.
	I'd be like, okay.
	It's better if you would, but I don't care.
	It's better if you would.
	But look, here, I'll say it like this: because I get attacked for this position.
	Brian, you're so feminine.
	Felicity, thank you.
	You're such a feminine man.
	You're a beta male.
	You're a beta male, Brian, for refusing to die for a woman.
	But if we look back at some historical, some men in history, I don't think we would categorize them as betas.
	And these men would undoubtedly sacrifice women for themselves.
	Genghis Khan had hundreds of concubines and wives.
	If he was presented with this hypothetical, Mr. Genghis Khan, you currently have, you probably, he doesn't even know the name of like half his wives and shit.
	He doesn't even know the names of them.
	You're not going to be able to do that.
	You think Genghis Khan?
	I know, hold on.
	Hold on.
	I know.
	I'm working on it now.
	You think Genghis Khan is going to be like, well, I'm the leader of like Mongolia and I've conquered all this land, blah, blah, blah.
	And I've got like, you're replaceable and I've got a million wives and he's going to like get rid of the wife before he gets rid of himself.
	Genghis Khan was an alpha male.
	But that makes sense.
	Genghis Khan.
	We can't say he's a beta male.
	No, but the example that you're using is that this man, just like with Andrew Tate, this man, women are disposable to him because he has multiple partners, correct?
	Wouldn't it be different?
	Wouldn't you argue that it could be different if you just commit yourself to one person?
	This is.
	Well, yeah, but then that would.
	Because you haven't thrown out a scenario yet where it's just given an example of another individual who has committed themselves to one person.
	It's only been multiple women.
	Which would make women less valuable to that man, wouldn't you think?
	He wouldn't value them as much because he has so many of them.
	Yeah, I mean, I would tend to agree with you that men who like have multiple.
	Wait, hold on.
	So the women are less valuable than him?
	No, what I'm saying is that because he has so many wives or so many partners, he doesn't value them.
	He doesn't hold them to a standard.
	Not as highly, though.
	I don't think he values them as you would if you were in a committed relationship, just one-on-one, the respect that you have for that one person.
	Like how OnlyFans or corn stars, rather, you know, how they, you know, they don't have, you know what I mean?
	I mean, I would agree with, I don't think I disagree.
	So, okay, a man who has one wife is going to value that one wife more than a man who has like four wives is going to like value, he's probably going to have less value.
	He's going to say, yeah, he's going to say, oh, this one can go, this one can go, I'll get more.
	They're disposable if he has multiple.
	But if it's just one, you know, if he has the right, the mindset for that, you know, committed to one woman, he'll think differently.
	He won't see women as easily disposable.
	Yeah, I mean, I would tend to agree that if you have one of a thing, you're probably more likely to value the one of the thing that you have.
	So if you have one wife, you wouldn't take the bullet for her.
	No.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	But I'm just, the reason I brought up Genghis Khan was because of the criticisms of it's very feminine or beta to be unwilling to die for a woman.
	But I giving, I guess it's like very extreme examples.
	Like looking at these examples of like, okay, you would, I don't think you would categorize Genghis Khan who would, I mean, look, we probably don't have historical records if he's, well, I mean, we know enough about him to probably make a reasonable determination that he would not sacrifice himself for one of his like concubines or wives.
	Well, that would be a point.
	He probably fucking killed some of them.
	My point was that you would want her to want to die for you.
	That's why I said that's kind of feminine of you because you're like, I'm not going to die, but she can die for me and I would want that.
	Why?
	I suppose it would be self-serving to have a woman who would be like, wouldn't that be better to have a woman who's willing to die for you?
	Sure.
	Because that would mean that, like, let's say there's a, okay, there's a bullet, boom.
	Maybe we both dodge it, but if she's 100% going to take it for me, why would I not want?
	But you said even if she's pregnant, like, really?
	Why you guys got to try to get me in a trap with the abortion thing, basically?
	I feel like she has a really big labia, Brian.
	Nope.
	Nope.
	So feminine of you.
	I don't think it's feminine.
	I'm just kidding.
	I actually think in a lot of ways, it would be, well, I don't know if it's, it's maybe neither feminine nor masculine, but I think it's more cutthroat, this desire to want to preserve your own life.
	I think I use the word feminine because it's like wanting to be protected.
	No, it's not that I want to be protected.
	It's an unwillingness on my part to, I want to die for a woman.
	So the desire is to be cutthroat?
	I don't know if it's necessarily cutthroat, but.
	Can you just say that?
	Don't you say like men have duties, women have duties, stuff like that?
	You say that?
	Yeah, I think.
	So what's the man's duty?
	To women or to society?
	To women in the relationship.
	Yeah, sure.
	Provide and protect.
	Okay, so wouldn't it be protecting if you are willing to take a bullet for her?
	Wouldn't that be protecting?
	Yes, it would be protecting, but there are, for example, you would agree that it would be providing to become a trillionaire, and like that would be the ultimate manifestation of providing for a woman to become a billionaire or like billionaire.
	If you're spending that money on your family, yeah.
	But like, for example, let's say I want to have like a good work-life balance, and I could make an extra $100,000 a year if I work overtime, but I choose to not work overtime.
	That would be like a rejection of my role as a provider to some degree.
	Are you still providing, able to provide for your girlfriend?
	Yeah, still, but it would be, I would still, there would be a baseline of provisioning, but I could provide more.
	Similarly, there would be a baseline of protection, and the extreme of protection would be sacrificing your life for your wife.
	So in the event of a house invasion, I'm going to get my gun and try to dispatch the home invader.
	But like in a hypothetical, extreme hypothetical scenario where it's like one of you has to die.
	She can die.
	You're saying you would take on the home intruder.
	You would take on the home intruder instead of your wife.
	So you would put your life at a risk for your girl that you love.
	But there's a component of I'm also at, my own life is at risk if there's a home intruder.
	Yeah.
	But a component of that would be I'm by extension also protecting my children and my wife.
	But if you don't have children.
	Then yeah, I'm also protecting my wife, but I'm also protecting me.
	I'm not just going to be a little pussy if there's a home invader and just be like, oh, honey, you go deal with it.
	No.
	Okay, but I'm going to get my gun and I'll deal with it.
	It.
	But you would be that way if there's that situation where one of your lives is getting taken.
	You would be that little P-word and like, okay, you can take the bullet, honey.
	Yes, that's what I've been saying for the past 30 minutes.
	Okay, that doesn't make sense because in one situation, you're like, yes, I'm taking on this intruder that could kill me.
	In the other one, you're like, no, honey, you take on the bullet, that will kill you.
	So as soon as it's guaranteed that you're dying, you're immediately just like, nope, that's all you.
	But if it's like up in the air, a coin flip, you know, you have a chance to fight it off.
	You will defend your base.
	It's the hypothetical, right?
	Like, if you look at the trolley problem or the trolley dilemma, for example, in what world is anybody ever going to literally have, like, there's a, there's you're all of a sudden like on a train track and you can pull a lever and you can divert it to kill one person instead of five.
	This is never going to happen.
	It's just a hypothetical situation.
	Well, once you argue that getting shot or being faced with a bullet is more likely than that scenario of being tied down to a trolley to a to a train tracks.
	Yeah, sure.
	The hypothetical.
	Yeah, sure.
	That's more likely to happen.
	But I mean, the scenario where it's like one person has to move in front of the bullet and to block that.
	I mean, that's not realistic with timing, considering how it's going to be.
	I don't think that that's really.
	That's why we use the Titanic example.
	What would you do, Warren?
	You're going to get on the lifeboat or are you going to, what are you going to do?
	Acknowledging that many people will say that they would, and there's no way to know it.
	I'm going to say I would, though.
	Yes.
	You would get on the lifeboat or you'd stay on the Titanic.
	I would not.
	You'd stay on the Titanic.
	And sink.
	Okay.
	I don't have, external to me, pushback for anybody who would choose to do that.
	Aside from like, I think it is a sad state of affairs that, like, I live, I believe in a higher power as well, though.
	So I believe how you live.
	It's not just what you do, but how you do it in a way that's more profound than we can even articulate and understand.
	Let me ask you a follow-up question, Warren.
	How do you categorize yourself politically?
	Are you conservative, moderate, liberal?
	I don't know.
	I'll pull up Peterson on that.
	On some things, I'm probably more conservative.
	Okay.
	So let's say you're Titanic situation.
	You could choose like person B, person B, what the fuck?
	Person A, you can opt to take person A's seat, only that person's seat, on the life preserver.
	You know, person A's seat.
	This person is completely ideologically opposed to you.
	And you know, they're a bad person, and they're also a child abuser.
	Under that circumstance, do you take their seat?
	It's not about that.
	By the way, that was a ridiculous point, though.
	Yeah, but would you do it on that side?
	It's as someone mentioned: the legacy, your grandchild, how your grandchildren view you, how history views you, how a higher power views you, how everyone on that lifeboat views you.
	It's not about the person whose seat you're taking so that they can die because they're a child abuser.
	It's about something much deeper than that.
	It's so that your relatives.
	The guys who stormed Normandy, it wasn't about an individual, a single individual.
	It's about something much larger that I think is deeply ingrained within them that caused them to be willing to do that.
	And we can't grapple with that today in the same way because we've kind of lost that wisdom.
	So this is where I struggle with the Normandy example, though, is that certainly there were many, many veterans in World War II who were exceptionally brave and noble.
	But I do wonder that they're probably also like, I wonder if there's some degree of the words evading me of storytelling that goes on when it comes to the sacrifices of young men related to like the Normandy landing or like other military conflicts.
	Like the actual process that like I don't know if like during the like say somebody was shot during the Normandy landing and then they like live for another like 30 minutes and they're bleeding out and they're dying.
	I'm not sure if like what's going through their head in that moment is like I'm doing this for my country.
	Like I have this sense of pride like glory.
	Like they I don't think in that moment they're like glory.
	I think they're like calling out for their mothers and they're like, oh my God, I'm coming from fucking Nebraska and I had like Betty Sue.
	I don't disagree.
	And now I'm in fucking.
	That's your point though.
	My point is, is that we perhaps romanticize the glory of war.
	And I do think there's plenty of men who are brave and they go out fucking guns blazing and that's badass.
	But I think like probably the majority of men who die in war, it's like cold and alone in some trench in a foreign territory or whatever it is.
	I agree.
	And it's not glamorous and there's no glory and, and, or they're not even, they're literally just, they're fucking smoking a cigarette.
	They're eating their ration and like fucking a shell just implodes their face and they're dead instantly.
	And there's not even a thought process of like glory or anything.
	Like their sacrifice to the country, that should be respected.
	But in that moment, on the individual level, I don't know.
	I don't see it.
	I think you're right.
	Yeah, if a bomb lands on your head, you're not going to think about much in that moment.
	Brigadier Nicholson, for example, at Dunkirk, they said, draw the fire, knowing, they gave that command, knowing 13,000 men were committing suicide.
	Had they not done that, they would not have been able to save 300,000.
	They have lost almost their entire army.
	Was that the right call?
	Was this, you said World War I was World War II, Dunkirk made the order to Brigadier.
	Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	So what's the question?
	Basically, you sacrifice the few to save the many is what he's asking.
	13,000 men to draw the German fire away so that they could pull 300,000 men off the save their entire army.
	Yeah, I mean, I do think there's a component of masculinity where it's like I'm talking about where you're like sacrificing what she was making the point of.
	There's one right move on the chessboard.
	You don't make this move.
	You lose your army.
	Oh, you lose your entire army.
	Sure, okay.
	Well, now we're getting away from the Titanic example, though.
	What leads men to be willing to take part in such an endeavor?
	What leads them?
	You tell me.
	I mean, this is a more philosophical question.
	That's why that goes back to the Titanic example.
	The same thing that would motivate you to not do what you're doing.
	But like, the men who died on the Titanic, are they like, why do you think they didn't get our lifeboats and they just stood there?
	There's not like a Titanic men's remembrance.
	Maybe there is.
	I don't fucking know.
	There's not.
	They're sacrificed.
	Whereas we have like Memorial Day, we have veterans, you know, soldiers tend to be, you know, have holidays dedicated to them.
	But, like, just a dude on the Titanic, it's like...
	So you can only do it if there's, like...
	Here, make a compelling argument for why I should not.
	They're honored within their family, within their family.
	This is my grandfather who died on the Titanic for my grandma.
	That's what matters to them.
	Yeah, but like their children.
	So at what point does okay, let's say you're the main provider for your family and you're on the Titanic and I know if I die on the Titanic, just by virtue of my death, that's going to be extremely alarming to my wife.
	Let's say I have kids, I have parents, I have siblings.
	That's going to be really hurtful to them.
	And then let's say I'm the main provider too.
	My children are going to grow up potentially in poverty.
	My wife is going to grow up struggling.
	So I don't know if the trade-off of, wow, my family is going to be like, wow, he was so honorable.
	Like, I'm looking at it from, I don't know if it's more of a utilitarian perspective.
	me remaining alive is going to serve a greater purpose to my family it's going to avoid the i get your point it's gonna It's going to avoid the pain and suffering that they deal with as it relates to just my death.
	And then like, I'm going to be gone, can't provide for my kids and family.
	But like the exchange would be, but if I do die and all those bad things also happen, they will feel a sense of like, wow, my father died with honor.
	Fuck, fuck honor.
	But if you're going to survive, I'm going to do what it takes to survive for my family.
	But that's why they're not checking, okay, how indispensable are you to your family before we let you on this boat?
	It doesn't matter if you're upper class, middle class, poor.
	All the men do the same thing.
	Right.
	Because that's what we do.
	What we do.
	Well, I would just reject that.
	We have to.
	We have to.
	Why do we have to?
	Going back to Brigadier Nicholson.
	What's the right move?
	But I think it's unfair to say, like, okay.
	They had to.
	But let me ask you, Warren.
	Let's say you were.
	I wouldn't want to.
	I get your point.
	No, no, you wouldn't want to, but you would do it regardless, right?
	I wouldn't, I would not want to risk.
	I would not, I would not want to throw, I would not want to throw away.
	I don't, what's the point?
	It's a deeper, it sounds crazy.
	No, it's just, I wouldn't survive.
	It's a biological imperative.
	I wouldn't be able to live with myself.
	If you let your grandmother die, then who are you going to pay for?
	I would probably commit suicide like the guy gave me, Warren.
	You wouldn't.
	Wait, wait, what happened in the movie?
	He shoots himself.
	Oh, because he was like, oh my God, people think I'm a pussy because I survived?
	Fuck them.
	I think it's deeper than that.
	I don't think we can really understand the human soul in this way, really.
	It eats away at us.
	And maybe it's because I believe in a higher power.
	I think that evil is not a social construct.
	It exists and it can creep in.
	There are many tensions, and often we can logic our way into bad decisions.
	Because it's when illogical behavior saves you is what is intriguing.
	And that's where spirituality for me lies.
	It's the only explanation.
	We were talking about with Brigadier Nicholson, but Churchill saying, no, we're going to fight to the last man when the last one's choking their own blood, which is not logical.
	Everyone around them is saying, do the logical move.
	They're making your argument.
	What's the point of going down fighting when we can appease with Hitler, surrender, and live?
	And he said, it's better to die, defending the temples of your ancestors.
	That will allow your forebears to rise again one day.
	But I think the calculus here is a little bit different because if we're looking, so if I take somebody else's seat in the life preserver on the Titanic, only one other, like it's one life to one life.
	Whereas like there are, I don't know if it's a totally fair comparison or equivocal to say, okay, well, if we sacrifice 10,000 soldiers to save hundreds of thousands of soldiers, that's something commonly done in warfare where it's like, well, okay.
	It wouldn't be one life though, because it's all the men don't do it unless you're the only one.
	And that's what makes you lose your legacy.
	Wait, all the men.
	The men voluntarily stay back, except the one who doesn't.
	And that's why all the women sit there and stare at him.
	It destroys.
	I mean, I'm very much okay with women disagree, like giving me a, oh my God, you're okay.
	Like, I'm not, but I would not social pressure or disapproval, like women's disapproval is not going to be sufficient enough for me to be willing to die because of women's disapproval.
	Using that as a example of it's much cheaper than just the women on the lifeboat.
	You mentioned the word evil, though.
	Do you think it would be evil for a man to get on the life preserver instead of a woman?
	In that case, to be logically consistent, I mean, I was trying to make the point of it's easy to logic your way into evil.
	I'm not sure.
	I mean, it is self-preservation.
	And it's unfair, but it's, so I'm not sure if evil would be the right word for it, but I think it goes against something deeper.
	I bring in the idea of the kids.
	What if your kids were on shore and they would know?
	That would be enough for me.
	And if that would be enough for you, then it shows you the magnitude of that decision about this is something deeper.
	Even if you don't have kids.
	Oh, yeah.
	I mean, I would be prepared, though, to say, and if my position isn't clear, even if I had nobody in my life, I would still take that option.
	You'd be more likely if you had no one in your life.
	That's my point.
	To what?
	If you did have kids.
	And they were going to, and you would come home to them and they would know.
	And that would be your legacy.
	And if it would go down, let's just metaphorically, let's just for the thought experiment, it would go down into history.
	And then you'd be in this movie in 2012 or whatever.
	And they're depicting you on screen.
	And that's how you're going to be remembered.
	You're saying it doesn't matter to you.
	And I can understand that.
	That's a logical argument.
	Why would you're dead?
	Who cares?
	Oh, okay.
	Wait, so okay, so you're saying, like, but when I'm still alive?
	Who cares what I'm saying?
	And in that moment, that would make me take a different course of action.
	So just to be clear, like, when I say I don't, like, it could very well be the case, like being labeled a coward, that would bring some degree of shame.
	It's not that I'm saying that there wouldn't potentially be guilt or shame, but I think my desire to, like, say I have a family, right?
	My desire to survive for the benefit of my family and then also, I'm not going to virtue signal, the benefit of myself and self-preservation.
	I am willing in terms of a calculus of, you know, the comparison of all factors, the totality of all the circumstances, survive, but like have shame.
	I would rather survive and have shame than die and go out doing the honorable thing, if that makes sense.
	No, I get your position.
	We're kind of repeating it now.
	Yeah, yeah.
	And even like, I would also frame it to my kids, like, there could be social pressure impacting my kids.
	Like, whoa, your dad wasn't willing to die.
	I'd be like, eh, you know, you might think that, but also I'm still here now and your guys' life would be way more fucked up if I still wasn't alive.
	So to me, it's like to the benefit of the family, to the benefit of myself.
	And that supersedes the external social pressure, social shame, social guilt.
	And yeah.
	And I reject the disposability of males.
	So it's just, I think it's a pretty coherent worldview.
	I agree with you.
	Males should not be, I don't, males should not be disposable.
	But I mean, within your worldview, aren't they?
	No, we're taking a specific hypothetical, whether it's Brigadier Nicholson or the Titanic and saying, if you were in this horrific situation, what is the least bad course of action?
	That doesn't mean I think men are disposable.
	I can't just go...
	I don't...
	Well, just to be clear, I don't think they're disposable, but I think society thinks men are disposable under both a...
	Well, yeah.
	Then we go back to the Russian example of like, okay, if we are invaded, what do we do?
	Because utility.
	Well, so I want to explore that a little bit when it comes to duties.
	And there's actually a chat that came in that will probably prompt this.
	Let me pull up the chat, though, one sec.
	It is.
	Beat in cheeks.
	What duties do women bring to society?
	Or better yet, what do you bring to the table to get your so-called dominant man?
	Plenty of men in the USA.
	Women need to be feminist at start, not after knowing a man.
	So going around the table, starting with you, what duties do women bring to society?
	Good question.
	Like bring to society or bring into a relationship?
	Yeah.
	So what duties do you bring?
	Like, do you have any duties to men?
	And then do you have any duties to society?
	And when I say men, like to your future husband or whatever.
	Yeah, I mean, I think it's hard to say society.
	I don't know, I guess for me.
	For my man, I guess my duty is to be loyal and supportive, emotionally there, a motherly figure.
	Am I going the wrong direction with this?
	I thought you shook your head.
	No?
	Oh, well, when you say loyal, I suppose this would be like a equal duty.
	So.
	Yeah, I guess to be a motherly figure, be supportive, be like emotionally there.
	I don't know, it's hard to say because I think a lot of things go both ways.
	Okay, sure.
	Kind of hard answer.
	What about you?
	Scoot into the table, if you can.
	So for society of relationships, both.
	I think for society, being teachers, being caretakers, that's an important role for women to take.
	And in a relationship, I think like being a cheerleader and also being a place, like a safe haven for a men.
	He can be out in the world being masculine and tough, but he can be funeral with me.
	And yeah, be a place of trust.
	Okay.
	Yeah, I was going to say probably the nurturing side to both society and to your relationship because it's more so of like how you nurture your relationships, whether they're friendships, your family members, and your or your partner.
	You're going to want to be there for them to like kind of care for them and be in that femininity side.
	And then yeah, like as you said, supporting as well.
	Okay.
	I agree.
	I think a female's position should be a caretaker in society and in the family.
	I mean, most women are teachers because they're caretakers.
	That's what our role in society should be.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	I think the role is to be a mother and to raise children to be valuable members of society and to also take care of your community.
	Like, of course, there are women who can't be mothers just because of like health issues and stuff like that.
	You can still take care of your community and serve your husband by anticipating what his needs are and what his wants are so that he doesn't even have to tell you what he needs.
	You already know it.
	Yeah, I agree with all of these ladies over here on the panel.
	I will add one thing.
	I think it's also a duty of women to not sell themselves short or give too much of themselves to just anyone.
	And I mean that, you know, in terms of the world of prostitution or OnlyFans or anything like that.
	I think that's very important.
	We owe that to society to set a better example.
	For to be more respected, to be more respected to not only men, but to other women and also children as well.
	I think that's very important to uphold those kinds of qualities in order to exude the more feminine qualities of being a wife and being loyal and being, you know, just not being promiscuous.
	I think that's important.
	Be a good partner, be a good person, have children.
	So women have a duty to have children?
	I think we're all here to reproduce.
	Okay.
	So just really quick, I guess bringing it back to like duties.
	So what's interesting to me, though, when it comes to war, and we were talking about this when it came to the draft, right?
	Like Russia invades.
	So for the panelists here, do you think if a country were to invade us, do you think that the men have a duty to like try to fight the enemy?
	Join the military, become a soldier?
	Anyone who's physically capable, mostly men.
	I personally would not do very well.
	I don't want to back out of that.
	I don't think women should be involved in combat.
	I think it's the woman's duty, actually, to become like the nurse, take on the caretaker role for the men in war, for the soldiers in war, nurture them, nurse them back to health, whatever it is.
	I think women also have a role.
	Granted, it's not as severe as the men have, you know, being faced with imminent death every day, but I think women also take on that role, and I think it is the man's responsibility.
	I don't think women, because women are biologically less capable than men, I just think women should stay out of it, just stay out of combat.
	I think a more important question is to ask if the men are capable of being protectors nowadays, especially in the USA, I think.
	Agree.
	Yeah, with their diet and lifestyle.
	And yeah.
	I mean, someone has to do it.
	And I don't think the women are going to be in general more capable.
	So I think the men do have a duty.
	They do.
	I agree completely with you.
	But are they capable of being the strong men that we need for them to protect us?
	They should be, but a lot of them aren't, as like how progressive things would become, if you'll like.
	And especially like you said with the drafts.
	The first ones killed at the war.
	But why the U.S.?
	Why did you say the U.S.?
	Because what I've learned health-wise, it's not like the best place to be, I think.
	Affects the men, especially here.
	Like, when you need to get in the military, you have probably a set of tests you need to do.
	And I'm sure most of the men nowadays are not capable to pass these tests.
	Spent 10 days in Amsterdam.
	Those guys are huge.
	Like six foot over.
	Well, how about this, though?
	Because we were talking about like if Russia invades, let's say you guys knew that Russia was invading.
	And if we didn't draft men, so what I mean by that is by drafting men, you're forcing them.
	The state, the government, forces them to fight.
	Like, let's say as a guy, you're like, eh, I don't want to fight.
	The government's like, nope.
	Sends you off to training.
	They will physically force you.
	They'll like you try to not go.
	The military police will come to your, you got to put it center if you're stepping away.
	The military police will come to your house.
	They'll abduct you.
	We've seen this in Ukraine.
	They literally abduct men between being overrun or not.
	Yeah, so that's what I was going to go to: is if you force men against their will to go and fight, that is the determining factor in preventing, say, Russia from invading.
	And let's say this is like a really nasty version of Russia in some like alternate universe where they're going to kill all the men anyways, and then they're going to like take all the women as war brides and basically essay them.
	This is obviously something that has actually happened historically in various wars.
	So would you guys be advocates for forcing men under these circumstances to fight?
	Someone has to do it.
	There's no, you have to choose.
	It's either going to be the men or who else is it going to be?
	So right, but so we now have established that men have a duty to do this, right?
	What duties can the state compel women to do?
	To help in there's other positions, right?
	In war.
	You said you were actually, I think maybe you too were the only, I think you're the only one who answered this correctly.
	Women's duty is to have children.
	Are they though?
	No.
	But I think many of you would object to the following duty.
	And by the way, just to be clear, I'm not advocating for this, but play with me here with the example.
	Would you be okay with the following example?
	Russia's going to invade, but in 20 years.
	I don't know.
	We can see 20 years into the future.
	We don't have the requisite population level as it currently stands to combat Russia.
	But if we draft women into, and they can select their partner, but the women are drafted to give birth.
	Yes.
	And that's the only way to prevent Russia.
	We know if the women, each woman has two children, if that's the only way, and if we don't basically essentially force women to give birth, then Russia is going to invade and kill all the men and like, you know, do bad things to women.
	Would you be in favor of forcing women, taking away their free will, forcing them to have children?
	Yes, I would agree with you.
	What about you?
	That's hard to say.
	I don't know.
	For me, I mean, yeah, I do believe that women should have children.
	Do I believe all women should have children?
	Probably not.
	I think people who are capable mothers should be.
	Like, there's a lot of times where people have children and they are drug addicts living on the street and now the child has to grow up in that environment.
	So it's, I mean, your average woman who is financially responsible or whatever, it's like a caring mother.
	I mean, I think they should.
	I mean, it's getting a little bit away from the question because, like, for example, with the other example I provided, it's possible that you're going to draft men who are like going to be incompetent soldiers when you draft them.
	So in this case, yeah, it's possible that you would end up drafting like incompetent mothers, I guess.
	But invariably, we still need them to birth enough future soldiers.
	So under these circumstances, would you be in favor of forcing women to give birth to children?
	Yeah, I guess.
	I supported it that way.
	Would you word it like that?
	I mean, yes.
	I mean, yeah.
	And the reason I say this is, so we send men off to training when they get drafted.
	And let's say we go to war and they have to go to training.
	Well, obviously, let's say we have the bad mothers who can't take care of their children.
	Why would you not make sure that you have people, let's say, people who can't even have kids?
	Why would you not have them go ahead and take care of those children and make them into productive members of society to be able to fight?
	Yeah, there could be an entire system built around this where there's like courses that are taught, and the women are prepared to raise the most fucking badass soldiers, warrior children, and guidelines on like nutrition and getting them in good physical shape, this sort of thing.
	So, Alina, your thoughts?
	Should we be able to draft women to?
	I mean, you said it's the only thing stopping the invasion.
	So, yes, most of those women are going to want to have children anyway.
	So, it's like if the men's free will is being taken away in the way that they have to get drafted to combat, then the women's corresponding responsibility would be their free will being taken away in that way.
	And they get to choose their partners too.
	So, it's like most of them are going to do that anyway.
	They're going to choose their partner and they're going to have children with that man.
	So, I think it's fine.
	Okay.
	Oh, yeah, I agree.
	I mean, I think, especially with the choice of partner, with the choice of partner, I think that's okay.
	I mean, especially since the men can't choose, you know, who's going to take them off the unalive them.
	Sure.
	All right.
	Did you have something on this, Warren?
	No, it was interesting because when you introduce the second condition that that is required in order for victory or survival, more importantly, what often happens, and I think the first way it was framed, this is how I usually hear this thought experiment framed, is just, okay, well, if men are going to be required to fight, should women be required to reproduce?
	Because reproducing is equally important.
	But when you make it a victory condition, that's when you suddenly saw people change their minds.
	Right.
	They were more on the fence.
	Because then it's logically true.
	Normally, I would say you want the minimum number of negatives.
	It's survival in that scenario.
	All we need is this negative requiring men, but okay, requiring women to reproduce.
	That's an additional negative that has no correlation to survival.
	But when you make it conditional, now it's going to do some more chats.
	We have Dayvon Jackson.
	I generally disagree with Brian on this, but it is a raw deal for a man to sacrifice his life to save a woman who will remarry and take some other dude's name anyway.
	The guilt argument doesn't work.
	Dayvon Jackson, thank you.
	He disagrees with me.
	It's a raw deal.
	Yeah, it's a raw deal.
	I don't know.
	She's going to be back on Tinder in like fucking three weeks, man.
	I'm dead.
	She's on Tinder at the funeral.
	It's like, shit.
	Didn't you say you would joke with a new woman to the funeral?
	Oh, I was being facetious, but I don't know.
	When I said, yeah, she sacrifices her life for mine.
	Yeah, I was saying back on Tinder.
	I don't use dating apps, but that's a joke.
	Okay, we have Dees Nates.
	Is it a woman's duty to provide her husband sex, even if they're arguing?
	If no, I work a nine-to-five job to support her with my body.
	So when we are arguing, can I stop supporting her financially?
	What?
	That's an interesting one, Deesnates.
	That's an interesting.
	Anybody going to bite on that?
	Sure.
	Yeah.
	I think it's toxic.
	I feel like that's bordering on the toxicity and consensual, like the line of being consensual.
	Yeah.
	I think it's toxic to stop doing something that you've been doing consistently just because you're arguing.
	Like, if you're arguing, you should figure it out, not say, I'm going to stop doing this for you that I've been doing all this time.
	Yeah, but I think he's asking if he's still entitled to having sex with her.
	If they're arguing.
	I don't think anyone's entitled to anything.
	I wonder if.
	But, like.
	Should there be a scenario where, like, what if the, I don't know where I'm going with this.
	Like, you would all agree, though, that if a woman stopped having sex with her husband, like, that totally is green light for him to end the relationship.
	I think so.
	Well, how long are we talking for?
	Because if it's like you guys are in an argument, eventually you're going to work through that argument.
	But if it's, like, an infinite thing and she's just cutting it off completely, well, then, yeah, I don't think that's fair.
	Assuming there's, like, no reason, like, no, health reason or whatever.
	Sure, yeah.
	I mean, I think, like, this could apply on both ends.
	Like, maybe the guy's sick or she's sick and neither person wants to have sex.
	I think that's totally fine.
	And I think either partner should respect the other partner in that situation.
	But it's like, I don't think it would be a surprise, like, if the wife stopped having sex with her husband, that he would either divorce her or it could just, like, introduce, I mean, he should probably dump her, but it would just introduce infidelity.
	He might just start cheating on her.
	Like, would you blame somebody if they're just like, I'm just not having sex with you anymore?
	It depends how much you're doing.
	I mean, you should break up, but like, or, I don't know.
	It depends how much you love that person, because if you really love them so much, you will figure out the issue instead of getting a whole divorce.
	Like, that's a lot.
	You know what I mean?
	Like, a divorce is very big burden on someone's life.
	I agree with that.
	Just because you haven't had sex, you should do everything that you can to figure out that issue first.
	Instead of doing a breakup or a divorce.
	We have a super chat here from Lucas.
	Here's a twist to the hypothetical.
	What if the husband makes seven figures per year?
	Wife is a stay-at-home mom with no job skills.
	They have four kids.
	Who takes the bullet?
	What would be in the best interest of the kids?
	By the way, hypothetical does not denote my position.
	If the husband makes seven figures per year, they have four kids, what would be in the best interest of the kids?
	That's basically like what you said earlier.
	You said, if you were to, you know, let your wife die and you go and you survive, you know, your kids would know, but you're the main provider.
	That's the same point that you made earlier.
	Is it not?
	Yeah, sort of.
	I mean, I think my thoughts on this, he says, if you have four kids, so what if the kids are all between the ages of like seven and twelve?
	So they're not like, they don't need to be like breastfed or anything.
	And like the mom's a stay-at-home mom and the guy's making seven figures per year.
	I think there's actually a pretty compelling argument in this case.
	It's going to be better for the kids for the husband to survive.
	But the wife is a stay-at-home mom, so the money that the husband makes would go to her and she is already staying with the kids more than he is.
	So you could argue that she would still have the resources that he had and she would be providing that motherly role for them and they would have the honorable story of like their father.
	It's true.
	They would have a lot of money.
	I see what you're saying.
	You're saying that because he's such a high earner, the collective, she's accrued enough money from his pre-existing income that's come in to survive.
	Yeah.
	But what's she going to do when that money runs out?
	Right.
	Exactly.
	Because eventually it's going to run out.
	She could also work if she has no job skills.
	That's in the scenario.
	She can gain working skills.
	Everyone can.
	But is she going to be able to support her children just with no job skills right off the bat?
	I mean, entry-level money.
	She has to have money, and then you would figure it out.
	You would be like, oh, shit, my husband is dead.
	I have to build up some work skills.
	In the meantime, I have the money that he provides.
	But who's going to watch your kids?
	You're going to watch your kids.
	You're going to have to find yourself.
	Yeah.
	Figure it out like every other single mom has.
	Well, that is.
	You have to work.
	And then you're going to be able to take care of your kids.
	What if the comparison is this?
	For a little while.
	So it's his scenario, but we know that the person is within six months is going to find a new person and then within another six months will remarry to somebody else.
	So the single mom with four kids who was or is a stay-at-home mom with no job skills, her subsequent partner is probably less likely to be capable of replacing the like seven figures a year is a ton of money.
	Whereas the single father with four kids who's a seven figure per year owner or per year earner, excuse me, misspoke, I think he's going to have a way easier job finding like finding a commensurate like replacement.
	Well, actually, Felicity, okay.
	Based on how much they've earned, the state will pay the parent that is still living a certain amount of money based on how much the one that died made.
	That's only if you have a life insurance policy.
	I mean, you get money if you have a life insurance policy, but the government doesn't provide you any funds.
	Funding.
	I know that.
	I mean, there is like life insurance.
	You can get Social Security.
	Like you can pull from Social Security for your significant other, but eventually that's going to run out too.
	It's not a never-ending supply of money.
	Anyways, thank you, Lucas.
	Appreciate it.
	Good to see you in the chat, man.
	Guys, Reed is 100.
	TTS is 200 if you want to weigh in on the conversation.
	Also, Venmo Cash App, whatever pod.
	Let me see if I can.
	Trevor, thank you for the 10 on Cash App.
	Jason, Barra, thank you for the five on Cash App.
	Also, appreciate it.
	We also have Twitch.
	Guys, go to twitch.tv/slash/whatever.
	Drop us a follow.
	Drop us a prime sub if you have one.
	Also, Discord, Discord.gg, excuse me, discord.gg slash whatever.
	Pull up the Twitch really quick.
	Guys, I think it's bugged boys.
	I think it's bugged.
	Guys, by the way, it's Warren's birthday.
	So somebody buy us a we'll do instead of a champagne pop.
	If you want to do like a cake pop, I don't know if can I get a cake at this hour?
	I don't know.
	Jay Brown, thank you for the tier one.
	Guys, it's been two hours since we've had a prime sub.
	I think it's bugged boys.
	Can somebody test out a prime sub in the chat?
	Thank you.
	Also, guys, if you want to get, oh, there it is.
	Humane.
	Humane.
	Thank you for the prime sub.
	Guys, also, if you want to get some merch, big lady matters shop.whatever.com.
	Speaking of which, not speaking of which, KK or thank you for the gifted five subs.
	Appreciate it.
	Stiffler, ask everyone.
	Oh, wait, hold on.
	Let me do this follow-up.
	Lucas, no, Alina.
	We all know money runs out.
	Plus, the expenses are typically commensurate with the income level.
	She has no job skills or earning potential.
	What happens then?
	From a purely pragmatic perspective, the wife is more disposable.
	She can gain job skills just like everyone else in this world, just like every single mother has in the history of this world.
	She can spend that time while her money hasn't run out yet to gain the work skills.
	Then her money starts to run out.
	She can start to work.
	It's going to be a struggle.
	It's not going to be a luxurious lifestyle with your husband taking care of you because he's dead.
	So you're four kids, though, by the way.
	Four kids, yeah.
	So, but you're saying, okay, she can gain the job skills or whatever, but the okay, of the entire population, what percentage of that population is going to go on and make seven figures a year?
	She's not going to make seven figures.
	Right, but the man was.
	Yeah.
	She's not going to have the same equal standard of living that she did before.
	But she's going to have to.
	She's going to have five bedroom house.
	She's going to have to prioritize her kids and put her kids ahead of herself, let go of certain luxuries.
	Kids sharing bedrooms now.
	Fucking kids sharing bedrooms.
	They're going to have to share the bedrooms.
	Sleep on the floor, sleep on the couch, do whatever you need, but you're going to make it work.
	But do you want to do that?
	Or it's a husband.
	Or the man could survive and he's still making the money and he can still provide the household.
	But he hasn't spent all that time with the children.
	He has to work to keep the money coming in.
	He's going to have to either find some steps.
	All right, he's a fucking crypto guy.
	How about that?
	He caught a crypto pump.
	And actually, wait, no, that's not fair to Lucas' thing.
	Anyways, we'll move it on, though.
	We have Stiffler ask everyone to rate their own looks on the scale of one to ten.
	Starting with you, go ahead.
	I can't pick seven.
	I was going to pick seven.
	Can't pick seven.
	Can I pick half numbers?
	7.5.
	No, just do full numbers.
	I guess eight then.
	Eight.
	Okay, what about you?
	Six.
	Six, okay.
	Go for an eight.
	Eight?
	Okay.
	Four or five.
	Alina?
	Six point nine.
	Uh-huh.
	I'd say a four.
	Six.
	Warren, what about you?
	Into the mic if you can.
	Five?
	Five.
	Five.
	All right, I'll give myself a five also.
	All right, wow.
	Everyone's pretty reasonable here.
	Look at that.
	Love it.
	This is a really based panel, like one of the most based on the panel.
	I know, it's a little disappointing.
	Well, I mean, I kind of got them upset with the whole the wife should die thing.
	That was worth that was the best birthday present.
	Yeah?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, I mean.
	It was good.
	It was good.
	It was a good combo.
	By the way, no hard feelings.
	We disagree with it.
	No hard feelings.
	We do need to get Warren a cake, though.
	We need to get you fucking tanked before the end of the show.
	This is your fucking birthday.
	You should have told me.
	I wouldn't have approached you for your birthday.
	Oh, you don't drink?
	I drink.
	Get this guy some fucking seltzers, some white claw, and some crystal.
	We need a Crystal.
	Guys, anybody, any fans?
	We got a bottle of Crystal champagne.
	You know what?
	It's his fucking birthday.
	It's any Warren Smith enjoyers in the chat.
	Have you ever had Crystal?
	No.
	Guys, Warren Smith, he's 38, guys.
	Never had Crystal.
	One Ethereum.
	What's Crystal?
	It's one Ethereum to pop a ball of Crystal.
	So get to it, boys.
	Get to it.
	Any Warren Smith enjoyers.
	Okay.
	Where were we?
	We're going to get back to the notes.
	Oh, do you think you'll be better looking in 10 years' time?
	I would hope so, but probably not.
	Maybe you just tilt your microphone down a little bit.
	Down.
	You're good.
	From the back, like push it up a little bit.
	Good.
	Yeah.
	Down.
	So you're 28, better looking in 10 years' time at 38?
	Most likely not.
	And then are you better looking now than when you were 18?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	You're 32, better looking in 10 years' time at 42.
	No.
	Okay.
	You're 32.
	Were you better looking at 22 10 years ago?
	I think my style is better, but I don't know if I looked.
	I looked more youthful back then.
	Okay.
	You're 26.
	Will you be better looking in 10 years' time at 36?
	I believe so.
	20 years' time, 46?
	If I'm sticking with my gym routine, I would say so.
	You age nicely.
	30 years' time, 56.
	Better looking.
	I don't think so.
	You're 32, better looking in 10 years' time at 42?
	Absolutely not.
	And then you're 32, were you better looking at 22?
	Yes.
	You're 20, better looking in 10 years' time at 30?
	I don't think so.
	Okay, 19, better looking in 10 years' time, 29?
	No.
	Felicity?
	10 years.
	10 years' time, 29.
	I don't know.
	I don't know anymore.
	I used to say yes, but I'm going to go no.
	Okay.
	Gonna go in that one.
	All right.
	We do a segment called, I don't know, man.
	You guys are too nice.
	I'm gonna have to just intentionally argue with you guys over something.
	We do a segment where we put all of you through AI and we age all of you.
	Oh my god, I'm scared.
	So we're gonna do that segment super quick.
	Mary, if you have that going, then we have some reacts, guys.
	So we'll do, we'll blast through that.
	Okay, ready.
	All right.
	Go for it.
	Oh, gorgeous.
	Make it bigger.
	That's hot.
	Bigger.
	Are all of them small?
	No.
	It's okay.
	All right.
	Botox up for that one.
	Next.
	Oh, gosh.
	Oof.
	Aging is a bitch.
	How do you call like a grandma in Dutch?
	Oma.
	Oma.
	Oh, I like that.
	Yeah.
	Next.
	I didn't even see it.
	Here it is.
	Oh, my God.
	Because you said 46.
	That was 46.
	The middle is 46.
	You don't look bad?
	No.
	I mean, you don't look as bad.
	I hate to say you don't look better, but you look better than I do, buddy.
	Yeah, sure.
	I mean, to be fair, it's not.
	You're looking still good.
	You're still looking good.
	Spanish age nicely.
	Still looking good.
	For the most part.
	All right.
	Next.
	Also, AI.
	Oh, my gosh.
	I look, I actually look like my grandma.
	Kind of.
	That's weird.
	Like the lunch lady.
	Oh, thanks.
	All right.
	Ooh, Alina's going to like this one.
	All right.
	Next.
	Yikes.
	It's kind of cute, though.
	The middle one is.
	The middle one isn't bad at all.
	You kind of, like, this might sound weird.
	I'm.
	The first one is kind of scary, too.
	Oh, thanks.
	Like, that's some.
	She almost looks like a doll.
	Yeah.
	She looks like a doll.
	Yeah, like one of them in the back.
	Does the first one go that far, but like a china, like a China doll almost.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Let's do next.
	Nightmare Fuel.
	Oh my gosh.
	Took some MILF.
	Wait, what?
	Okay.
	All right.
	I kind of look like my mom and my grandmother.
	That's so interesting.
	That's weird.
	All right.
	Oh, we got Felicity.
	She loves this one.
	Next.
	Oof.
	Oh, they keep doing you dirty, Felicity.
	Keep doing you dirty.
	What are you?
	Okay.
	You have to keep it up?
	Yes.
	All right.
	We've got Warren coming up.
	Let's see, Warren.
	What the?
	Kind of scary.
	It looks like the Trump monk shot in the last one.
	The Trump monk shot?
	Oh, because he's like scowling at the camera.
	All right.
	We'll do me.
	Oh, the eyebrows.
	They took like a 10-plus year.
	This is a 10-plus-year-old photo.
	Oh, my God.
	That's an older one.
	Okay.
	Is there another one?
	And then it's just the.
	Oh, and then the next segment is: we have gender swapped.
	Wait, what the fuck?
	I don't know why that we gender swapped all y'all.
	So the question is: would you date the male version of you?
	No.
	And in Warren's case, would you date the female version of you?
	Okay.
	Ready?
	Oh, well, I also typically don't jawline.
	Yeah, I typically tend to not date white men anyway, so it's fine.
	I would have probably signed up for Marlboro.
	What's your go-to?
	It tends to be either Middle Eastern or Hispanics.
	My track record.
	Middle Eastern or Hispanic.
	Any, do you date plac men?
	I've like dated before, but I haven't been in a relationship.
	I mean, I'd be open to.
	I feel like I'd probably more likely be with a black man than a white man.
	Don't ask me why.
	It's just my attractions.
	I'm just white enough for the both of us.
	You don't like white guys.
	I just tend to not, like, my track record, I just haven't.
	Like, I don't know.
	Yeah.
	I had to be a manner.
	No, I just tend to be more attracted to like other cultures.
	I don't know.
	I would love for my kids to be able to speak another language.
	I don't know.
	I just think, I mean, that's not just it, but people have types.
	That just happens during my time.
	I wouldn't be against it fully.
	Like, of course, if I meet the love of my life and he's white, it's not going to be like, oh my God, no, because you're white.
	It just tends to be that I fall other ways.
	Native Americans.
	Sure.
	True mash.
	I guess.
	Apache.
	Why not?
	Apache.
	Are they hot?
	Okay.
	Next.
	Would you date the male version of you?
	You're actually.
	That's your hair.
	Yeah.
	Not sure.
	Yes.
	I would.
	I would date you.
	It's closer to my time printer.
	No, I wouldn't.
	You wouldn't.
	No.
	I know some of y'all in relationships.
	So just if you were single.
	Yeah.
	No, all right.
	Next.
	Oh, Rico Suave.
	I mean, that's not bad.
	The beard?
	You would think that's the one.
	Yeah, they're like, facial hair is like, the minimum one's scary, but the last one's a little scary.
	The last one I would go for.
	Well, yeah, the last one I would go for.
	All right.
	Next.
	Oh, wow.
	Okay.
	Yeah, I would.
	Into the mics if you guys can.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Can I see it again?
	Yeah.
	Like the last one.
	The middle one's not even that bad, but like the last one, the facial hair, yeah.
	I feel like they got some favors there, if I'm being honest.
	Yeah.
	Well, no, that's not what I meant, but I mean, whoever did these, like, we used to do it where it just like, I think we started masculinizing the faces a bit because we used to just literally like it would change the hair and maybe put a beard, but your facial structure stayed the same, but it masculinizes the face a bit more.
	Like, for example, the nose is a bit bigger and eyebrows get a little bushy or whatever.
	Anyway, next.
	Wow.
	Would he look young, like kind of Asian?
	A little bit.
	Asian?
	I don't know.
	Would you date him?
	Middle one looks like very young.
	The one on the right, perhaps.
	I mean, if he has Riz, you know what I'm saying?
	Yeah, we know what you're saying.
	Next.
	Would you date?
	Not if I was the last person on earth.
	You wouldn't date him.
	No, he's not bad looking.
	No.
	You wouldn't date him?
	It's scary because I'm more like my brother than I look a little bit like my brother there.
	Oh no.
	You also only date Middle Eastern men in the face.
	Oh, no.
	I'm not going into that territory.
	Okay.
	Next.
	Oof.
	Felicity, they did you so dirty.
	Why do they give you that hair now?
	This is like in sync from really?
	They gave her like a jumpsuit, too.
	Whoever does this, bring up the one where I'm wearing the pink shirt.
	I like that.
	She saved it on her phone.
	It's her wallpaper.
	All right, Warren Smith.
	Oh.
	I feel like I'd be desirable.
	Highly annoying.
	You would be highly annoyed.
	My personality probably would be good.
	You look like one of these oohoo waifu.
	I don't know.
	Wait, what the fuck?
	Where is it?
	Damn, I can't find it.
	Wait.
	Aw, man, it takes two minutes.
	Can I find it?
	Hold on.
	God.
	Oh, here we go.
	Kind of like that.
	I don't know.
	Yeah.
	She cosplays.
	Are you part Asian?
	No.
	Oh, okay.
	Irish.
	Because they made you kind of Asian.
	Yeah.
	I don't know.
	All right.
	Last one here.
	Oh, my God.
	Yeah, sure.
	I would date myself as a woman.
	If she was a biological woman.
	You know who that looks like?
	The Discord knows who that looks like, and it bothers the shit out of me.
	The girl from the crazy girlfriend meme.
	Oh, well, no.
	It's not her, but yeah.
	It is a girl we've had on the show before, though.
	But okay, cool.
	That was an interesting.
	Are there more or is that it?
	X out of those, we're gonna, we got some reacts, guys.
	Recently on Tinder, taking the internet by storm.
	Tinder has introduced a height filter on their app.
	So if you're a woman, and I think if you pay for like a premium feature or something, you can sort through height.
	Oh, is there one for weight for men?
	Like if that's going to be that kind of a standard?
	No.
	Pull it up.
	Like height preferences?
	Yeah, the height filter thing.
	So this is it.
	So you can, you know, put your age range, and then it says height, new, feature, whatever.
	You can do any height.
	I assume you can, you know, whatever.
	Set it to whatever you prefer.
	And there was an outrage on the internet.
	How dare women have preferences?
	I mean, look, it's to be fair, sometimes y'all crazy with that shit.
	Like, oh, only date over six foot.
	But would you guys think it's fair?
	Should we have a weight setting next?
	I feel like it's the same thing.
	That's kind of why I made that comment.
	Like, I don't, I think that's silly, personally.
	Would you guys be fine with a weight setting, though?
	On the dating?
	I don't really think either one of them is fair.
	I mean, yeah, we all have preferences, but why are we going to put it on a dating app?
	You can kind of judge it just from looking at the data.
	You can control.
	I do think this just makes dating your weight just gets skinnier.
	I also think it would be kind of on the dating.
	Well, you should put it, yeah.
	I mean, it'd be obvious about your pictures, right?
	I think what Tinder, I think, actually, as a woman, you know, maybe what do you guys think about this?
	In order for you to even have a profile, an account on Tinder, you need to, they send you a scale and you plug your phone into the scale, and then in the app, it needs to, every day, when you log on, if you want to access the app, you have to step on a scale so it can update because people are going to be lying about their weight.
	Yeah.
	Maybe.
	Yeah, that's insane.
	Yeah.
	That's excessive.
	I think the extent.
	I don't think there's anything wrong with having preferences for height or weight, but like, I think you're going to have a scale.
	You got to step on it every day to update that Tinder.
	Like, just get off the dating app at that point.
	It's probably online at that point.
	Go out and touch some grass and go talk to me on the music.
	Word.
	Word.
	Yeah, Mary, go for it.
	Okay.
	And then once she's back, we have some other Reacts to get to.
	I'm going to finish up the pre-show notes, then we'll get into the questionnaire stuff.
	By the way, guys, Warren Smith over here is not adequately intoxicated.
	Champagne pop.
	It's his birthday, guys.
	Can we get him a.
	What the heck?
	Is there.
	Hold on.
	Let me see if there's a hat.
	Do you want to?
	Oh.
	No, no, no.
	That's the dumbest cup.
	I can't do that to my.
	My homie over here wore it.
	You should wear it, Brian.
	I'm okay.
	I wore it last time.
	Let's see.
	Okay, going to the show notes, we have Kasumi.
	Oh, this will be interesting.
	You wrote, when you are a young girl, I assume you mean like when you're like a woman.
	When I was a young girl, did I wrote that?
	When, okay, I'll finish the sentence.
	When you're a young girl, avoid dating men who are a lot older than you.
	So you're saying like, I'm assuming you're talking about like adult age gap relationships.
	Okay.
	So like a 19 or 20 year old dating a guy who's in his 30s, right?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Why is that?
	At first I was kind of okay with it.
	I thought it would be fine.
	But after experiencing myself first and also hearing stories of other women, I do notice a consistent thing with men who are older.
	I think they sometimes date younger girls out of insecurity.
	The older men are insecure.
	Yes.
	How so?
	Yes, because at first I also didn't agree with this statement, like it's just because they can't handle a woman their age and they have too much baggage and those kind of things.
	I think as adults, you can work through these things.
	And I also think a grown man, what do you have in common with a very younger girl?
	And it's always about the man trying to control her, shape her in a way that he wants her to be, mold her in a way that is easy for him to deal with.
	And I don't think it's as common as we think.
	Big age gap relationships.
	Probably a handful of relationships are like that.
	And yeah, I think there would be a dynamic that the men would be more controlling over the relationship.
	And usually it doesn't end up well, I think.
	Okay, so there's a lot there.
	You said commonalities, you said that the man would be more, you think there's a tendency for older men to be more controlling when they're dating younger women?
	Yes.
	Yes.
	Okay, so how would that manifest itself?
	Like controlling how?
	Making decisions for her, telling her what she can't and cannot do.
	And because she is younger, she, yeah, she probably feels like below him and more inexperienced in life and probably, yeah.
	I think it won't will end up making her not happy.
	She cannot, she's not able to experience her life the way she should have.
	Okay.
	When it comes to the control component, don't you think, weren't you making an advocation for men being leaders?
	I do, to a certain extent.
	Like, didn't you say men should be more like masculine, step up, etc.?
	Exactly.
	So couldn't you have like a dynamic with a woman exactly your age or even older where that level of I don't know if you would categorize it as control, I would categorize it as leadership.
	That would exist in a same age relationship too?
	Could you rephrase it in a different way?
	Could you?
	Well, okay, you're saying that the man is more likely to be in.
	Correct me if I'm wrong.
	You're saying the man's more likely to be in control of a relationship where the woman is younger.
	Yes.
	But isn't that exactly the type of relationship dynamics that you're in favor of?
	Not completely.
	Okay, so what components of that would you object to?
	I think from my experience, I have worked for about a year.
	I stood in front of a class and I had people from ages 19 until 25.
	I think I experienced hundreds and hundreds of people in one week.
	And usually girls around, yeah, maybe 19, 20.
	Usually, not all of them, of course, but they see.
	Why do you refer to them as girls?
	Because they're young 19-year-old girls.
	But it would not be incorrect to refer to them as women, right?
	No, they're women too.
	Okay.
	They menstruated, I guess.
	Well, but you said 19 and 20.
	I mean, these are adult.
	They're legally adult women.
	Yes.
	But I think somebody even mentioned that at 25, your frontal look develops.
	I don't know.
	19-year-old girl is different from a 28-year-old.
	Are you trying to say that a 19-year-old girl is more naive?
	Yes, absolutely.
	Wouldn't you argue, though, that if you're going to bring in the brain development argument, wouldn't you say or argue that making these decisions, getting into these relationships, you know, sometimes it's all about responsibility.
	Like responsibility and wisdom doesn't equate to brain development, wouldn't you argue?
	Like you don't change from being a simpleton, to put it like a simpleton at 24, to having your brain fully developed at 25 the next day.
	You know what I mean?
	That's true.
	That's true.
	Yeah, years of experience develop.
	Yeah.
	Couldn't you argue that somebody at 19 could go through something, could have it's not common, but you know, have around the same awareness and sense of responsibility and understanding as somebody at 25 with their friends.
	Absolutely, I agree.
	I don't think it's just the majority of young girls that have this type of understanding of the world, how relationships work, how men are, and social dynamics.
	I don't think the majority of girls around 18, 19, 20 have a good sense of that.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	So I have a question.
	Do you think that a majority of older men are just controlling in general?
	No, I don't think so.
	So then do you say that your statement is just a generalization of all older men in a relationship with a younger female?
	Yeah, in general, I would think so.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	So then you are saying that majority of older men are controlling in a relationship?
	When an older man is specifically looking for a 10 to 15 year old younger girl, there is more behind it than just love, I think.
	So in a sense, the same way a lot of men talk about women when they're older.
	They're like they have too much baggage, they hit a certain age and they can't attract a good relationship anymore.
	The same is with men.
	At some point when they're past 28, they're not in a relationship yet.
	They're probably failing at something in life, I think.
	And they look for a younger girl, they're able to control more and to have a type of relationship dynamic that he wouldn't be able to have with an older woman.
	Do you think that's the case for all age gap relationships?
	No.
	Okay, so some.
	What percentage?
	Good question as well.
	I don't know.
	You don't know.
	Do you think it's?
	Do you think the majority of men who want to date a younger woman, the reason for them wanting to do that is because of this control component that you were referencing?
	It's a part of it, but it's also a part because, of course, youth is attracted, attractive, and also to older men still.
	But I find it odd if a really older man, let's say he's 40 and he's only looking to date 20-year-olds.
	There's something wrong with him, I think.
	What?
	Oh, go ahead, Leonardo DiCaprio, for example.
	Yeah, there's something wrong with him, too, for doing that.
	Yeah, it shows him he cannot have a stable relationship with somebody, too.
	I think you touched on it where it's, I think it's mostly aesthetic, more so than it could be a component in some cases of control, but I think it's always going to be an aspect of that fabric of reality that I keep referring to that biologically, because youth indicator reproduction.
	I have this whole theory.
	We don't need to get into it unless you're interested in it about why we are attracted to beauty, certain facial features, and it's seeing traits that, oh, if I reproduce with this person, my offspring will have the highest likelihood of having those traits, thus carrying on my genetic code.
	And that happens in a split second.
	And this is one way that is acted out.
	Yeah, I agree with that one.
	Yes, yes.
	But I also think that just when you think of it, a 40-year-old man and a 20-year-old woman, what would they have in common that much?
	I could answer that.
	Relationship-wise.
	Yeah, I mean, I have a couple of questions on that.
	So first, though, just clarifying question.
	What is a way in which I would have a commonality with a woman that my age, that on the basis of the commonality alone, would be enough to push me over the edge to wanting to date her?
	I think certain values in the time that you guys have.
	Oh, values.
	Well, I think, hold on.
	So when you're talking about commonality, are you talking about like shared like cultural like music or movies?
	Or are you talking about school, for example?
	That's probably not the most important part, but that's a part of it.
	Okay.
	I guess my confusion, though, aren't there people is it logically possible that there's like a 60-year-old and a 20-year-old who have more in common than does a 60-year-old and another 60-year-old?
	Is it logically possible?
	Yeah, I guess so.
	There could be a possibility for that, but that's not the majority of the cases.
	It could be the case, but you would agree that there are people your own age who you would be completely incompatible with as it relates to commonality.
	Could you say that again?
	Sorry, my English.
	Well, so for example, I'm 36.
	Yeah.
	There are 36-year-old women that I have nothing in common with.
	Yeah.
	So, but you bring that up, though, as an argument for like why I shouldn't date them, right?
	So or why men shouldn't date younger women because there's a lack of commonality.
	I'm not sure if like men or even women care that much about I agree with you on having shared values, but I think values are much more easy to come by than like having like shared cultural touchstones.
	Like, oh, you like the same band, you like the same movie.
	Also, if a girl really likes you, you can show her that shit and she'll start to like it.
	Yeah, I agree with that.
	So, but I mean, I think for both men and women, I don't think commonality is really high on the totem pole in terms of what people value, care about.
	Like, if you're a Christian, then yeah, you'd want to date another Christian, but and also what really, I guess I would ask, what do men and women have in common really?
	What do women and men have?
	Like, what do we have in common?
	I think biologically speaking, we both want to reproduce, have children.
	Want someone we don't want to be alone?
	Like, probably that's everybody here wants love and don't wants to be alone.
	So, we have that all in common.
	So, we're looking for a partner to close that gap for ourselves.
	So, we have that at the base in common.
	And after that, of course, we want safety, food.
	We have these basic desires that are all the same, that are all in common.
	So, we understand each other on that level.
	Well, let me ask you this: what would I have in common with a 35-year-old that I can't have in common with a 25-year-old?
	Like experience, life experience.
	When you say life experience, I just think more dicks.
	Like, she's fucked more guys.
	That's all I can.
	But what do you mean, life experience?
	Like, I'm not sure what to do with that.
	Like, I wanted to make a point because I was this job that I was a teacher and I met like hundreds of 20-year-old girls.
	I'm standing in front of the class, and majority, not all of them, but they're sitting on their phones, unmotivated, uninterested.
	When you have a conversation with them, they're staring at their screen and stuff.
	They're so like there's not much, there is not much going on inside their heads.
	So, I'm sometimes thinking, and I'm saying that's not all of a 19-year-old woman, but what does a 40-year-old man with all this life experience, he, yeah, is he only going for her looks?
	Yeah, probably, probably, yeah.
	And what is a relationship based off?
	What kind of relationship is that?
	Well, I would say that perhaps there's some scenario where it's looks, and he's just thinking, like, okay, she's 20 or whatever, and she has the most childbearing years ahead of her.
	That might be it.
	That might be all that he's thinking about.
	Yeah, I would think that's kind of empty.
	Like, you need to share the rest of your life with her, basically.
	Well, yeah, you shouldn't like marry a like a twat, like, somebody who's just a piece of shit or annoying.
	But, like, maybe that's part of the reason why he wants to be with her, is to like share his experiences with her and like help her grow as a person.
	Have you ever thought of that as an example as to why older men would want to be involved with younger females?
	I would see that more like being a father figure in a sense.
	But you couldn't date someone who is older and still learn those life experiences.
	I'm sure there are ways that it could be like that.
	But I also see it in a way that that person knows everything a lot better than you, and he will make the choices for you.
	And you cannot experience making errors in your life and create that own life experience for yourself.
	But wouldn't that be kind of a nice way to live?
	You don't have to learn from all of your mistakes, and someone can kind of help you just get on the right path in life.
	Yeah, that's one.
	Is he really teaching you the right path in life?
	And second, yeah, maybe, maybe, yeah, that's true.
	But I think we're like taking away a lot of responsibility from the woman from herself in that way.
	But also, isn't a man's job to guide their partner and be like someone to take care of their partner.
	So, I guess I don't understand the issue of the age gap situation in that sense either.
	A man's supposed to be a provider and a protector.
	But that's just because he's 20 years older than her, how is that an issue?
	Yeah, I think for the reason I explained beforehand, as a 20-year-old woman, you have like many years in front of you.
	And if somebody is telling you how to live your life from that point, I think that could be an issue for you.
	Would you be okay with a 20-year-old dating And dominant 21-year-old, and he's like telling her how to live her life.
	Why would a man need to be telling someone to live?
	Okay, so it's not related to age then.
	You just have an issue with like men being leaders in relationships.
	But usually it falls in the gap of when the man is older, he will feel more assertive in telling her what to do.
	I dated somebody a year younger than me, and it was the most controlling relationship I've ever been in.
	I feel like it depends on the person, too.
	I feel like controlling people are going to be controlling people no matter their age.
	But I understand how you can see, like, because they're older, it looks that way.
	But that's a good point.
	I do have an interesting thought process there.
	If the goal is to avoid controlling situations in relationships, what if I were to propose that there's a tendency for the woman to be more controlling as she gets older, ergo, men should date younger women so the older women don't control them?
	Oh, personally, no.
	Yeah, because there's also a tendency that women can be very controlling in relationships as well, I guess.
	Okay.
	No, but that's true.
	Like, it's but he's pointing out that age doesn't really play a factor.
	If you're going to be a controlling person, you're going to be controlling.
	Do you think the age gaps are like it's gross?
	Is it icky?
	Does it give you the ick?
	No, it doesn't give you the ick.
	You're curious about the motivations, it sounds like motivations, indeed.
	Like, why isn't that man able to date someone around his age?
	And usually it falls into fun, maybe she's not attractive enough for him or something.
	But it's just, yeah, it just interests me a lot.
	Why isn't he able to find someone around his age?
	If I'm dating a girl who's my exact same age and we have nothing in common, should I break up with her?
	If, yeah, if you don't love her and no, she's really attractive and I love her, but we, you know what?
	She likes rap music.
	No, you shouldn't bother her.
	And I don't.
	No, you shouldn't break up with her.
	I shouldn't break up with her.
	No.
	If that's not a deal breaker for you, you don't break up with her.
	But like, I also, I don't do my nails and she does her nails.
	We have nothing in common.
	But would you want to be with someone like that if we have nothing in common?
	But you like her and she's attractive.
	It depends what are the things.
	Like, I'm not a big drinker.
	I'd prefer to date.
	If she was a partier and a drinker, regardless of her age, if she was 21 and she drank a lot, she was 30, 40 and she drank a lot, wouldn't want to date her either.
	So.
	I have a question.
	So let's reverse the roles.
	So I'm in an older person in the relationship, and my significant other is the younger person in the relationship.
	So I guess my question is: so I'm not a controlling person.
	He's younger than me, and he's more, not in a bad way, but more controlling and takes the lead in our relationship.
	But you're now putting control and leadership in the same thing.
	But I brought that to you earlier with the man being the older and the female being the younger and being a leader and guiding them.
	I mean, my significant other, like I said, I still learn things from him and he's younger than I am and hasn't had near as much life experience, I guess, if you want to say as myself.
	So why does it matter if it's a man or a woman who's older?
	Because those are usually the stories that you will hear.
	There's more tendency of older men and younger women that have these types of dynamics.
	And I'm dating a way younger guy.
	Like I'm the older one.
	I'm 32.
	How old is he?
	24.
	Oh, what the fuck?
	Hey!
	You know what?
	You are a predator and you're controlling.
	And you are taking advantage of his undeveloped brain.
	You're a fucking sicko.
	But I'm not just saying not just.
	This girl, 32 dating a 24-year-old man.
	Oh, no, no, sorry.
	A boy?
	You're dating a 24-year-old boy?
	Yes.
	That's disgusting.
	Really?
	But that's not what I'm saying.
	What do you have in common with him?
	I was just guessing.
	He's super hot.
	Oh, really hot young guy.
	And we have a lot of people who talk about it.
	I learn a lot from him.
	He learns a lot from me as well.
	Again, so why?
	But I'm not saying it's every single relationship that is like that.
	But I just think it's kind of a warning sign for younger girls because usually it's also the more damaged one that go for older men in relationships.
	There is something of shape.
	But women are damaged.
	There are damaged women.
	But I thought you were saying that there's a problem with the man to be pursuing younger women.
	As a generalized.
	There is.
	Because I'm just thinking about what is going on in his mind.
	I'm just thinking about what could be going on in his mind if he's actively pursuing girls that are way younger than him.
	Okay, so what's actively going on in your mind dating someone who's 25 or actively pursuing?
	Okay, so maybe I'm actively looking for younger boys to date.
	Okay, but maybe some of these older men are actively looking for younger women.
	I'm sure there are situations that just work and they're fine and that's okay.
	But there is like why do men's motivation?
	So again, we're back to like what percentage, I guess.
	So what percentage, what percentage of like age gap relationships, I guess, do you think are controlling and are like toxic?
	From in my own experience, I've seen them in my own experience.
	But what's the percentage?
	I don't know the percentage.
	I just think studies on it or anything.
	Just a guesstimate, though, from your personal experience.
	Less than 1%, 5%, 10%.
	Would say like 30 or 20.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Wait, can I ask you a question?
	So, can you explain to me what's the benefit to the man to pick a 31-year-old over a 21-year-old?
	Like, what's the actual benefit?
	Well, I think a more mature woman, you have somebody that can have more life experience, knows to deal with certain situations better than a 20-year-old.
	Most men don't are attracted to a more mature woman, though.
	That's the thing.
	It matches up in age-gap relationships like that because a lot of time women are attracted to a guy who has more experience, more life experience, even like maybe negative experiences.
	It doesn't damage a man as much as it can damage a woman in terms of how she conducts herself in a relationship.
	So that's why it can match up like that.
	Like a woman may be more attracted to an older guy.
	An older guy is more attracted to a younger woman because she has more reproductive years, like Brian said, and like just because of attraction.
	And as long as you have your basic values lined up, like no drinking, for example, or like if you want to have children in the future, that's the thing that should matter the most.
	Not like small things like he didn't listen to the same type of music when he was younger as I am right now.
	Like it's not about that because those things don't really matter in a relationship.
	I agree with you.
	It can matter in like friendships.
	Like you can sit with your friend in a car and listen to music, but like with your husband, it doesn't, I guess it doesn't matter as much because there's so many other things that matter so much more.
	There are much more things that matter more than the same music.
	I agree with that.
	Like commonalities.
	I'm not just talking music.
	Like commonalities that have to do with age.
	You can have like basic things in common that matter more and you have an age gap relationship.
	It doesn't necessarily mean that one person is like trying to manipulate the other person.
	No, I'm also, yeah, maybe it's my English or something, but I agree completely with what you're saying.
	Say it in Dutch.
	Maybe we'll understand better.
	Two people understanding.
	Well, I mean, I guess.
	I agree with exactly everything you said.
	I agree with that.
	That's the baseline of it.
	But I think in the group of men that are looking for specifically only younger girls, like I'm just trying to understand what is going on in their mind and why they're not able to date somebody of their own age.
	When we go to certain other cultures, I don't know if I can say this, but in Muslim culture, they sometimes date or they marry.
	Like 25-year-old men marry nine-year-old girls.
	Why?
	Well, hold on, just to be clear.
	We're talking about adult relationships, right?
	We're talking about adult relationships.
	Okay, right.
	So this would mean they're adults.
	So you're talking about, yeah, that's wrong.
	Nope.
	You're talking about nine-year-olds.
	Yeah, I don't think anybody at this table is defending that.
	Agreed.
	But okay, talking about Islam?
	Yeah.
	Oh, okay.
	Like it.
	I'm not going to get into the back convo, but.
	Yeah, so I'm just, yeah, maybe it's just me trying to understand what is going on there.
	And most people are just, yeah, it's fine.
	It should be fine.
	I don't think it's just, we should just look at it like that.
	I was actually on that camp first years ago, but now I'm trying to see from a different perspective.
	And yeah, I just want to know what is going on in a man's head when they choose to go for a much younger girl, why they're not able to date somebody their own age.
	Wait, are you saying specifically?
	So is there a component here where it's like the men can't get women their own age?
	So they have to go after these like naive younger women.
	Yeah, I'm talking about a specific group of men that after a certain age, that they're not in a relationship and they're only hooking up and dating with younger girls.
	After what age?
	28, 30.
	So you're 32.
	I'm talking about currently dating a 24-year-old.
	Which, by the way, I don't actually have any objections to, but I, in general, I want to really make this clear.
	I in general don't have an objection for older man dating a younger girl.
	But there's a certain group of men that I do think they are in somewhat way insecure.
	And they are looking specifically for younger girls to date because that sense of control, they probably enjoy that.
	And it's not, there's, I think, a border between leadership and control.
	Okay, well, I mean, I wouldn't disagree with you that like perhaps for some men who date younger women, they do so for like bad, bad reasons or whatever.
	You know, they're insecure or they are immature and like the older women can suss that out.
	But I think to paint to paint with a broad brush and just say men in general, like I would say it's a very small minority of men who find younger women attractive are like fall within that.
	But I'm willing to grant that, yeah, there probably are some men who are insecure and are immature or whatever.
	But I don't know if it's worth exploring like a minority of men there.
	You had something more?
	Yeah, I mean, if we use, if we look at samples in Hollywood, we see that a lot because I think it they have to be either have a lot of resources to be able to attract a 22-year-old when you're 40 or above.
	I can tell you from a man's perspective why DiCaprio is probably doing that.
	He's like, why would I be with a 40-year-old woman when I could be with this?
	It's just aesthetically attraction.
	I get your, I get your point.
	I think it's pretty simple.
	It's pretty simple, the reason why they do it.
	My dad married someone 20 years younger than him.
	So, and I'm pretty sure that was, I'm sure, just an attraction thing.
	She had already had kids, too.
	It's the stereotype, right?
	It's not even about leave for their secretary.
	It's madmen.
	We saw it.
	I mean, my grandfather married my grandmother, and there was like an 18-year age gap.
	He's 18 years.
	He was 18 years older, but I think that was an arranged marriage.
	Like, that's just like a totally different kind of situation.
	We have some chats coming through.
	We have one moment.
	Lucas, hey, Lucas, thank you, man.
	Again, with this feminist age gap prattle, age gaps are more morally neutral.
	My parents were 15 years.
	The reasons are simple.
	Men pursue youth beauty because of fertility and good genes.
	Women pursue older, continued, or pursue older men because of the accumulation of wealth, stability, ability to protect.
	Stop with the control BS talking points.
	Stop trying to impose your preferences onto men.
	Your opinion is relevant to us.
	Thank you for that, Lucas.
	Appreciate your message.
	Yeah, I mean, I think it just comes down to what people find attractive.
	And I think just biologically, evolutionarily, men are attracted to like women probably between the age of like 20, 25.
	That's probably like the peak in terms of what men will deem attractive.
	It just comes down to, as Warren said, like an aesthetic.
	And there's the biological basis of just like, that's when women are the most fertile.
	So there's a biological basis for that.
	Desert Joe says, chair two keeps insinuating men aren't able to date their own age.
	This is completely false.
	Men generally have a biological preference for women who are in their peak fertility age range, not control.
	I also, on this one, I think, Desert Joe, is that I was thinking about this, and I actually think that men, say like men who are in their 30s, early, mid-30s, whatever, who are able to date younger women, like say between 20 to 24 or something.
	I think they actually, those men in that age range would be, are more able to date women in their age range.
	They just opt and choose not to.
	Because I think as a guy in your 30s, in order to be able to attract a 20-year-old, I think you have to be pretty damn attractive in whatever the ways that women find men attractive are.
	And this would then, that level of attractiveness that the 20-year-olds find attractive, so too should it be the case that the 30 or 40, you know, the older women would also find those men attractive too.
	So it's actually the case that I think, like, for example, a man who can't attract younger women, I think that guy is less likely to be able to attract women of his own age, also.
	So I don't know.
	This idea that like, oh, they can't get women their own age, so they have to go date like really hot, attractive 20-year-olds.
	It doesn't really track for me that it's like.
	But 30 and 25 is not a big age gap, right?
	That's like a small age gap.
	Oh, well, I mean, I would just give you like 33 dating a 21-year-old.
	That's more that's pretty big age gap.
	But I mean, I think in order to date, to be to be able to get a 21-year-old when you're in your 30s, you have to be pretty darn attractive in order to get her.
	And if you're in the 30s and you can't get younger women, I'd argue that you're like probably less attractive to women in your age group.
	So it's not.
	It's not that they can't get the older women, these older men, it's not that they can't get them, they can get them, but they're opting to go with the better option, which happens to be younger women.
	And that just mean actually, when you say better, it's just more attractive.
	Basically I mean because others yeah, the other things don't matter I, I won't sugarcoat it, but sure yeah more yes more well yeah, more wouldn't be the super beautiful.
	Yeah, so better yeah that basically, is what it comes.
	Not i'm not making like a, like a claim on their value as a human being no, that's but like as a potential partner yeah, they're better, more attractive.
	So if better equals more attractive, then yes uh, we have GRID ONE hey, good to see you man.
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	Thank you, dude.
	I was 34 and my wife 23 when we started dating married 20 years now, I specifically dated younger women.
	You are delusional if you think men are not going to date the best option available to them.
	Yeah, I mean, that's a good point, GRIG ONE.
	I mean look, both men and women, we're all going to be.
	We all want the best that we can get.
	We all want to get the the most attractive person, or whatever the metrics are for what men and women find attractive.
	We're all gonna like seek towards getting the best that we can get.
	In this case, if you can date, if you're, if you're a guy in your 30s and you can date a 21 year old, I think a lot of men are gonna gravitate in towards that, that direction.
	But I mean that's not to say that there's men who, like some men, are gonna be, find a great partner who's his age, could find a great partner who's even older than him.
	Sounds like in your case, you've been with your current boyfriend for two years.
	You're older than him, but he i'm sure he's very happy in the relationship and and uh, all that.
	But and uh I, you know it's maybe you could like raise an eyebrow if they're like exclusively, you know, even then I wouldn't.
	I wouldn't say there's anything wrong there.
	Like me, me personally, I would like i'll date a woman.
	I've dated women older than me.
	I've dated women younger.
	I've dated women my same age uh, so it's not like I would only date a woman who's younger, but like, if i'm being honest yeah I, I find I typically find like 25 year old women more attractive than 35 year old women?
	You had something warned.
	Yeah, I would be more likely to question the wisdom of the 21 year old dating Leonardo Diaprio.
	It's like, are you not picking up on pattern recognition?
	It's, what is your motivation?
	You know this isn't gonna last or you're probably going for the power, power that comes with that, the fame, resources.
	So they're probably the experience, gold digging or whatnot.
	And these darn gold diggers depends on the spread, like if you're talking like 40 and above with a 21.
	There's some, I mean, but I can understand the, the biological that's always going to be there.
	From the male perspective, the question is like, what is the wisdom of the woman who's willing to play that game as well?
	Somebody sent me a list here and i'm going to read, So, younger women, more physically attractive, more emotionally available, more romantic, more energy and optimistic about the future, more time to live life and travel the world before starting a family, more fertile, less baggage and trauma, more open to new ideas, less stuck in their ways, stuck in a job city, more agreeable, easier to build a life with, more grateful and easily satisfied.
	Most good men want to satisfy their woman.
	Nothing is more awful than a woman who's never satisfied.
	Less likelihood of having children or a psycho ex, younger parents who could be involved in raising the children, more on equal footing.
	Okay, whatever, that's something else.
	Okay, somebody sent that into me.
	I don't know, whatever.
	I like that he said a good man.
	Like a good man, okay, but you have also not such good men trying to take the lead in a relationship and ends nowhere.
	Okay, we have EW here.
	Thank you for the super chat.
	44-year-old man here, never married, no kids, makes six figures, good career, not ugly.
	I'd like to marry with the intention of having a family.
	So I'm looking 25 to 32 at the latest for biological reasons.
	So I'm creepy for wanting the right intentions with a partner.
	I think people are taking me super out of context here.
	Like, if you're a good human being, you have good values, you're a good caretaker, if you're making the right decisions, like, why shouldn't a young girl follow you?
	But I'm saying there is a group of men, that group I'm talking specifically about, that are just going after younger girls.
	Some of them don't have good intentions, and maybe it's just me making being letting younger girls that they should be conscious about dating someone older than you.
	I have a question.
	So, is there a specific age range from the women that you're a younger woman, like 18 to 21?
	Because I feel like that's mainly like the topic of everyone's kind of bringing.
	Because it seems like you're 32 and your partner is 25, 24 years turning 25.
	But you guys met each other where you're at now, where like they're a little more emotionally available and like older to understand.
	So, my question to you is: is there a specific age range of women that you're talking to, or is it just in general of the age gap?
	I think a specific age range, like you said, from 18 to 23 for a woman.
	To 23?
	Yeah, I think so.
	But going back to what you just said, though, wouldn't your main objection here then be like it's just toxic individuals?
	Because you would agree with me that like a 21-year-old man could have bad intentions wanting to date a 21-year-old woman.
	Of course, that can happen, yes.
	Right.
	Yeah.
	So it seems like your objection is more towards like bad intentions.
	So are you like attaching bad intentions?
	Is this more likely to occur in age gap relationships?
	Is that your argument?
	Or like the good question, indeed.
	Like, I, it, of course, every time everything comes down to the person themselves, but yeah, maybe it's just from my own experience seeing the older men doing that.
	So I'm attaching it to them.
	Sure.
	Yeah.
	Well, I don't have much more on the age gap stuff.
	We're going to do Reacts.
	Mary, can you pull up the Reacts?
	So we have this woman on Twitter who we tried getting her on the show, but I don't know.
	She actually considers herself a femcelle.
	We're going to read her tweets.
	Pull those up.
	Diane, yes.
	We were trying to get her on the show, but she writes, this is kind of a bit vulgar, but she would rather be a temporary flashlight for a man who's a nine or a ten, so really good looking guy, than a permanent sex slave and housekeeper for a man who's a five.
	I'm sure most women feel the same way.
	So we have some when we did the ratings, you know, there's some sixes and fives.
	So you guys anyone agree with that?
	You know, would you rather just be like a sex toy for like a really hot dude, but that's it?
	Or date a guy on your level who's going to give you that more serious long-term commitment?
	If you could choose.
	I'd rather be with somebody who's on.
	I'd rather be with somebody who's on my level who I can commit to.
	I mean, that's just degrading for you to use yourself and that other person in that way.
	That's just degrading on all accounts.
	Sure.
	I agree.
	Yes.
	I agree as well because I feel like if you're meeting someone at your level, you could also develop like an emotional attachment to them and then you'll physically want to have sex.
	At least for women, we would physically want to have sex with them.
	Why would you not be attracted to someone on your level though?
	Huh?
	Why would you not be attracted to someone that's equally as attractive as you though?
	Well, because the question was if a nine or ten, right?
	Well, he's saying he said if they were on your attraction level.
	Oh.
	Like, how did you rate yourself?
	Oh.
	An eight.
	Okay, so you would.
	So that's what I mean.
	Like on your attraction level, like on the level that you rated yourself.
	Sorry.
	Get these girls some energy.
	God damn.
	Okay.
	Actually, yeah.
	All right.
	What were we talking about?
	The tempo.
	All right.
	Pull up the rest here.
	Let's just go through the rest of the tweets.
	She has a few more.
	Next.
	Many such cases, avoid like the plague.
	At least being with a nine out of ten.
	Oh, it was in response to a tweet, but we can.
	At least being with the nine out of ten is temporary and you can easily bail when it's not what you want anymore.
	Okay, next.
	Average men could up their value if they were willing to say do their part around the house without being told.
	But no, they fight tooth and nail to avoid doing even that.
	So she wants chore play chore play.
	Chore play.
	That's what doing chores is going to make you more attractive, guys.
	Okay, next.
	These are the only options men allow women to have other than being alone, which is also preferable to the five.
	Is there a next or I think that's it, right?
	Okay, I'm pretty sure that was it.
	So, okay, she's a bit of a, I think she describes herself as a, I was trying to get her on the show, describes herself as a femcell.
	Quite the take there, she'd rather be a sex toy to a really hot dude than marry a guy on her level.
	So is she a femcell or is she a nine or ten?
	Because she's saying she wants to be with a guy who's a nine or ten.
	She's average looking.
	Okay, so why does she see a guy who's a five as like below her?
	She doesn't want to settle for a guy who's a five.
	And she's also saying like he needs to do house chores, but the same thing would make her like a slave to him.
	You know what I mean?
	Like you should debate her.
	Because she's shallow.
	She's not here.
	Yep.
	Let's do the other tweets.
	We got some Kasumi tweets.
	We got some tweets from you.
	Let's pull those up.
	Oh, this is what you responded.
	Okay, scroll up.
	So I posted this on Twitter.
	Can someone explain this female phenomenon?
	That one, scroll down, that one sweet guy that would do anything for me, but I somehow can't catch feelings for him.
	Scroll down because she doesn't find him attractive, handsome.
	But the thing is here, though, on this, and it got a lot of attention on Twitter, is she's not saying he's unattractive.
	So, I mean, we could make the assumption either way.
	So pull it back up really quick and then scroll back up.
	So like the way I'm assuming this is that she does find him attractive, but by virtue of him doing the sweet things, so he's kind of like being a simp or whatever, I don't know, she's not attracted to him.
	So he's like, he's attractive, but he's being a nice guy.
	And that turns her off.
	That's the way I took that.
	I think it's a given.
	Like, wouldn't it be a given if the dude's she's not attracted to the dude?
	Like, he's not attractive.
	Of course, she's not going to, regardless of how sweet he is, she's not going to like him.
	So, but your point was, well, she's not attracted to him.
	But I don't know why you.
	Because I think in the same video, she was talking about like a guy treating her like trash, but he was really attractive.
	And she would rather have that than the other guy.
	Oh, I don't know.
	Wouldn't you think that it's a, you want, we want what we can't have?
	Like, that's why she's attracted to the bad boy rather than the guy that would just hit her the whole world.
	Word.
	Let's do the next tweet, though.
	Kasumi, do you want to read this?
	Yeah, okay.
	The self-proclaimed red pill gurus tell other men to find a woman who embodies purity and loyalty.
	But the same men often have girlfriends posting half-naked pictures online, which immediately devalues their message.
	You can't talk about the sanctity of loyalty when your actions don't align with the very principles you preach.
	There's nothing high-value about a man who can't even practice what he's selling.
	So what really defines a high-value man?
	It's a man who can command the respect of women who is the object of desire for many other men.
	It's not only about her looks, a woman who carries herself with dignity, confidence, and self-respect is a reflection of her partner.
	When you walk into a room with a woman of this caliber, you don't need to say a word to make an impact.
	Her presence, the way she carries herself, elevates you.
	It's a silent acknowledgement that you are someone worth looking up to.
	In the end, a high-value man doesn't have to shout about his worth.
	It's understood by the caliber of woman beside him and the way she chooses to present herself.
	The real question isn't whether she's submissive or not, but whether she's someone who brings out the best in you, someone who makes you strive to be the best version of yourself.
	When you truly understand that dynamic, you realize it's not about the words you speak or the idea you sell, ideal you sell.
	It's about living with integrity and letting the world see your value through your actions and choices.
	Okay, that was a lot of words.
	You said it's not about being submissive, though.
	And then you also, maybe this is just a nitpick.
	You said, a high-value man is a man who can get a woman who a lot of other men desire.
	But like, you would agree with me that a lot of men desire, like, do desire, have desire only fans girls or porn stars.
	What type of men are those?
	But you said, in order to be, by the way, I don't like the like high-value or like the alpha male stuff, but you said that a high-value man is a man who can get a woman who is desired by a lot of other men.
	Yeah.
	But like there are clearly women who are desired by a lot of men who are just not like good, like high-quality women.
	Look in the, that's like on a bigger scale, but usually when you're with your group of friends, there's usually one girl that just like everybody turns their head around, like, wow, she looks amazing.
	I would like to date her, like as a man.
	Sure.
	But she walks in with this guy, and you have a lot of respect for that guy suddenly because you're walking, he's walking next to her in that type of context.
	I mean, like, Andrew Tate shouts about his cars, about this and that, and he's all constantly showing how much of a high-value man he has.
	But look at the women he's dating.
	Like, they're not the most attractive, beautiful-looking woman that have that type of presence when they enter a room.
	So it's like there's a big group of people that look up to Andrew Tate, but also a big group of people that are looking down upon him and don't see him as that high-value man, like he's self-proclaiming.
	Okay.
	I mean, I don't really disagree with you about Andrew Tate, but you mentioned the submissive.
	You think women shouldn't be submissive, or what's your position?
	I do.
	There's certain dynamics in a relationship, and I feel like also the man should have the final decision, but it's both of you discussing certain things.
	But yeah, to a certain extent, yes, the man should have the final decisions.
	Okay, well, nothing there for me to disagree with.
	Emotional damage says, in my opinion, women over the age of 30 are basically leftover.
	No one they dated wanted.
	Oh, you said crap.
	Okay.
	I don't agree with that, but no one they dated wanted to marry them in their prime.
	The young men who date older women is doing so just because of a perverted fantasy rather than the quality of the woman.
	I kind of turned it around there then.
	You have a response there?
	Well, yeah, I don't really agree with him, of course.
	I don't really either.
	Again, I'm in a younger relationship.
	Yeah, and I mean, I was technically going to be engaged and get married in my prime, and I chose not to because the person that I was with was a piece of crap.
	completely agree i was engaged too and i so i don't necessarily think that And I think that realistically, right now, the relationship I'm in, he's five years younger than me.
	And I'm, again, I'm learning things from him.
	And I don't think it's some sick, perverted thing.
	I think we balance each other out.
	Okay.
	Calling women over 30 leftovers is kind of crazy.
	Like that they're not in their prime anymore.
	Sometimes I feel like a lot of people are in their 30s or now established in their career and are actually like, I don't know.
	Maybe men don't want to.
	I feel like that's what.
	Yeah, it's like they don't want anybody.
	They don't like that.
	They don't like to have to compete with their woman, with their female counterpart.
	I mean, realistically, at the end of the day, I know we're all supposed to be caretakers and everything like that.
	And if that's the position that I was put in and it was, okay, I want you to stay home and take care of the kids and everything along those lines, I would have no problem doing that, even in my 30s.
	Like, yes, I have an established career and everything along those lines.
	But at the end of the day, like, if that's what's going to make my significant other happy and that's what our goal is as a family unit, then that's what I'm going to do.
	I don't think I'm leftover crap for that.
	Yeah, I don't know.
	I know a lot of people are women in their 30s who even look better than when they were in their mid-20s.
	I know it's far and few between sometimes, but you mature into your face.
	You don't look like a little girl anymore.
	Like you are a woman.
	I would feel like if we're even going to talk about looks and stuff like that, which I guess it's all guys care about.
	It's like that keeps coming up.
	I know I said earlier that I looked better in my 20s.
	Well, yeah, obviously in my early 20s, I looked a lot better than I do now.
	But I would say my prime was probably when I was 25, 27, like even five years ago.
	I think I look better than I do now.
	But again, it's because I took care of myself and I, you know, but I've learned a lot now too.
	I don't necessarily look the best that I ever have, but I don't think I look absolutely terrible.
	Yeah, I just found that interesting.
	Yeah, I think he just said that to like piss you guys off.
	It's like a reverse.
	Probably.
	I say stuff like that all the time.
	I know.
	We grew up in a society where young girls weren't taught to Marry young because everybody is telling them to go for their career, to first finish their study, to get their house, like be so independent.
	So, how can you blame all the women for like at 30 having their career and everything and then waiting for marriage?
	And then, I'm sorry, I'm not explaining myself so well.
	But, yeah, society is basically created in a way that tells women to first focus on school and their career and then think about marriage.
	So, it's not all their fault for now knowing this later in life.
	Yeah, it's taking different choices, for example.
	Yeah, it's a backwards way of thinking, the way that they spun it now, you know, especially with feminism, especially, you know, third and fourth wave feminism.
	It's all about hating men, hating the patriarchy, and finding anything that is dominant from masculine.
	You deem it toxic masculinity.
	And women are just, it's like you said, women are just taught now in modern-day society to provide for themselves, to be independent, as this girl boss.
	But there's some deep hatred within that as well, deep hatred for men for the traditional gender roles.
	Yeah, I agree with you.
	Yeah, because once a woman feels like she doesn't need a man, and like in general in society, women feel like they don't need men, and it's almost like starting to make them feel like men don't have a purpose.
	So they're starting to disrespect men, and overall, it's just bad for every dynamic, every relationship dynamic.
	Because men are growing up with this idea that they're not as good as women or that they should be like putting women on a pedestal.
	And a lot of women grow up thinking that they are above men and end up disrespecting them as well.
	Somebody's comments, I wish they could like submit a photo of themselves because I'd be like, oh, okay.
	They have before.
	Yeah.
	One time, I think.
	And he wasn't bad looking.
	Oh, shocking.
	This is why the patriarchy exists.
	Leave a group of women in the pit.
	Oh, sorry.
	We've been talking and just got quiet, and you're like staring at us awkwardly.
	Go ahead, Philip.
	But maybe a question: why are men over 30 not leftovers?
	Why is it because of fertility?
	Is that the only reason?
	I think they're basically saying that's what I mean because I'm not saying I agree with that, but they're also more established.
	More women find men who are over 30 attractive than men find women over 30 attractive.
	That's just the truth.
	I kind of disagree with that.
	Would you choose Brad Pitt when he was in his 20s or when he was in his 30s?
	He both famous and serious?
	Like when the way you okay, but I don't think most of the women would choose Brad Pitt in his older.
	If you met Brad Pitt on the street and he wasn't Brad Pitt and it was a matter of how many resources, stability, and then you factor that in with attraction as well.
	I think you'd be surprised.
	I think many women would choose him.
	But I'm talking about young women, like high school women, girls.
	I'm not talking about high school, but girls in their 20.
	If you would present them with Brad Pitt when he was 22, 23, with Brad Pitt like over 30, 40, what would the girls go for?
	Because it's Brad Pitt probably 40.
	I think he aged really well.
	Any other regular man who's not that attractive?
	Maybe if we don't have a motherfucker.
	I mean, I'd be willing to grant that probably like a 20-year-old woman would be fine dating 22-year-old Brad Pitt.
	Yep, who would she choose?
	Between 22 versus 32?
	Yeah.
	I think she'd honestly, she'd pick.
	It's hard to say, but yeah, I'll just say 22.
	Yeah, I would think so too.
	And just to make a bigger comparison, because men always talk, or like people always talk about that women go for the richer, wealthier guy with more status.
	If I would put Bill Gates here and Brad Pitt here, what would she choose?
	Sorry, Bill Gates and who?
	Bill Gates.
	He's really rich that's the other one.
	I knew who Bill Gates.
	But at a certain threshold, you have that stability, having extra millions, even billions.
	It's a diminishing returns.
	I think if you're literally stacking up Brad Pitt with Bill Gates, I think many women would go for Brad Pitt.
	Yeah.
	I mean, also secure.
	It's like, no, it isn't a good argument, though.
	But I would agree that most women would pick Brad Pitt.
	Like, broke Brad Pitt or, well, Bill Gates, super rich Bill Gates.
	Yeah, I think most women pick Brad Pitt.
	Oh, that's interesting.
	I didn't realize you were talking about broke Brad Pitt.
	Yeah, well, I don't think she was.
	That's probably a better way to frame it.
	I think it's a tough analysis, though.
	It wouldn't be the same woman in a way.
	Here's what I think it would be.
	They have the child.
	Eh, well, I don't know, man.
	I was going to say they have the child with Brad Pitt and then they go to Bill Gates for his resources.
	And then Bill Gates is like the little simp boy who's like paying for the.
	But even then, I'm like, if the woman had to choose like for everything, like to have kids with, I think she takes Brad Pitt.
	But I don't know if most women have a similar choice in life to that.
	Yeah, I think it's impossible.
	It's just like this hypothetical that, yeah, the chat seems to agree.
	Like, no chick is picking Bill Gates.
	But I'm sure, bro, in the 90s, Bill Gates was crushing it.
	He was crushed.
	That Silicon Valley.
	I mean, to be fair, like the Silicon Valley.
	I think I was just mentioning this because there's always a discussion online that women are only pursuing men with status and money.
	Like when they're older, that when they're older, men will have more status and money.
	But the attractiveness of men will also fade at some point.
	So it's not like if you have a 20-year-old girl, she would rather go for the hot 25-year-old than the 44-year-old with money and stuff.
	Yeah, I agree with that.
	I actually don't disagree.
	And also, just to be clear, when it comes to the age gap stuff, I'm not saying, like, if a younger woman who's like 20 wants to date an older guy, you can make that choice.
	But I also acknowledge, like, probably like the majority of young women have a strong preference or prefer or ultimately end up dating men around their age.
	So it's not, I'm not making, I'm not saying a should, like, they should date older men.
	If they want to, okay.
	Many claim that men peak at the around 35.
	No, I'm not sure how accurate that is.
	That number is thrown around a lot.
	Wouldn't find her.
	Are you peeking right now, Warren?
	But like, it looks.
	Were you just, you went to film school, right?
	Yeah.
	So you were dealing with like a bunch of theater chicks and stuff.
	I was super crushing it in high school.
	No way, dude.
	You were crushing it.
	Were you doing theater classes or what?
	Not in high school.
	No.
	No?
	No.
	I was just, I can tell you, this is for any men listening that.
	Because Garden State, that movie came out back then, and there was this idea of being right around the time the manic Pixie Dream Girl came in.
	It's like this girl's going to come along, and all you have to do is be the sincere, bashful, artsy, sensitive guy, and you just be yourself.
	And she'll just, you know, Natalie Portman will come along.
	And if you live like that, it's you'll you kind of regret it later.
	And once you gain experience and you realize it just doesn't work that way, you have to be more adventurous and assertive.
	Like I think many people have been describing in the word we use is what dominance.
	Perhaps that's what I mean by that, but um something about the word dominance is a bit like taking initiative a little more it's definitely initiative assertive.
	Yes, you have to you can't wait for the manic pixie dream girl.
	And so I had that idea in high school kind of that then looking back on it, I'm like, darn.
	We got a message here from Lucas.
	He says, we do not want a woman over 30 with a career that challenges us.
	The wisest man ever to walk this earth, King Solomon, once said, Better to live alone in a desert than with a quarrelsome wife.
	Oh, this is Proverb.
	This is, yeah, I mean, pretty much the same than with a quarrelsome and nagging wife.
	Yo, Lucas, thank you so much for the message, man.
	Really appreciate it.
	Is anybody here?
	Just curious, anybody here religious?
	Are you a Christian?
	No.
	You have the cross.
	What denomination are you?
	I'm Greek Orthodox.
	Oh, you're okay.
	Gotcha.
	Oh, I had a question related to that.
	But Lucas is sending a follow-up.
	Likewise, why do you modern-day gals fight so hard against biology?
	However, you spin it, the average woman has lost 90% of her viable eggs by age 30.
	Leftover crap is harsh, but the sentiment is true from Lucas.
	Is that true?
	90%.
	Yeah, I think so.
	Yeah, it definitely depletes after you.
	Depleted women.
	You do lose your biological value, a lot of your biological value by the time you are 30.
	I can understand why that's not, you know, that's not attractive to men, especially since we have that primal instinct to reproduce.
	Yeah, they can get pregnant, though.
	I mean, my mom had me when she was 41.
	Yeah, in the 40s, they can still get pregnant, you know.
	That's possible.
	Mary G, B-Day Pop.
	I'll buy the pizza.
	Wait, oh, this is Mary for.
	Are you hungry, Mary?
	Is that it?
	You just want pizza?
	Oh.
	Somebody has to do.
	You know what I'll do, though?
	I'll do one.
	If somebody wants to sit.
	No, no.
	What I'll do is I'll do one, only one, half-off champagne pop.
	So we'll do $500 champagne pop.
	Gotta get Warren here liquored up.
	Gotta send him back to.
	It doesn't cost $500, is it?
	If somebody spent $500 on it's up to you guys if you want to, but yeah, I'll do half-off for a champagne pop for our boy, Warren.
	G.
	Okay.
	Let's see.
	Oh, there's a soup chat coming in.
	Emotional damage.
	Most women in their 20s would choose broke Brad Pitt, but that's caused their frontal cortex is not developed and they make bad choices.
	They end up getting engaged to losers like that and then break it off.
	Then they mature to become chair two and four unmarried and unwanted.
	Oh my God.
	They're not unwanted.
	How dare you, emotional damage?
	We have a man.
	You guys have met.
	Thank you, Mike Davis.
	Good to see you in the chat.
	Thank you for your soup chat, dude.
	It's been a minute.
	Oh, we have Lucas here.
	Chair six, are you a cradle Greek Orthodox or a convert?
	Both my parents are off the boat from Greece.
	I would love to talk about this.
	So all my grandparents, both my grandmothers and my grandfathers, are off the boat from Greece.
	My parents were born and raised in the United States.
	They grew up speaking Greek, involved in the Greek church, and I was baptized.
	My siblings and I were all baptized Greek Orthodox when we were infants, less than a year old.
	So I am right from the get-go.
	Greek Orthodox.
	I didn't really have a choice.
	Got it.
	And you said you've been.
	Wait, question.
	As it relates to dating, though, with your religion, like you're waiting until marriage, right?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Got it.
	Oh, wait.
	Do we have other super chats or?
	Okay, you can get those pulled up, though.
	We're going to get into the questionnaire here.
	I'm going to wait until all the panelists return to the table.
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	Okay.
	We are going to go through the questionnaire right now.
	Pepper your angus.
	Okay.
	Pepper your angus.
	Never mind.
	Whatever.
	Pepper your angus.
	Okay.
	Oh, going really quick to this.
	We were talking about body count earlier, but I didn't want to just go there right away because it came up early.
	Just show of hands, should body count matter?
	Or should it not matter?
	Should it?
	Should it just got you guys all fucked up, all confused now?
	It matters.
	It matters.
	Okay.
	Does any okay, going around the table, what's your body count?
	Starting with Felicity, go ahead.
	I don't feel comfortable disclosing that.
	I'm not comfortable with the number, but I think that's something that should be kept between myself and whoever I'm dating.
	Are you a virgin?
	Are you willing to answer that question?
	That's the same question, is it not?
	Well, I'm assuming that you're, well, I wanted the clarification because you said you don't want to reveal the number, which I suppose it could be.
	Because it is, you know, 100%.
	I 100% believe it is important to disclose that.
	I just don't think I necessarily have to throw that out on the internet.
	But, you know, in a person in an intimate, you know, dating setting, for sure, I will give out that I will offer that number because I know it is important.
	Yeah, you don't have to give the number.
	I'm just asking for clarification.
	If like if you're a virgin, I assume you would.
	Yeah, I am.
	There you go.
	Oh, okay.
	I got confused because you said you didn't want to give out the number, which I guess zero.
	Okay, whatever.
	What about you, Lena?
	Two.
	Okay.
	Five.
	Five?
	Yeah.
	Five.
	Okay.
	Six.
	I'm also going to say it.
	Do you want to do a range?
	Range?
	It's still comfortable on one hand.
	Guys, please.
	It's still comfortable in one hand, but that's it.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Fifteen.
	It's going to make me look real bad.
	Multiply it by three, and that's the real number.
	For all of you.
	I was honest.
	Yeah, I appreciate the honesty.
	Thank you very much.
	Appreciate it.
	do you ask about it Warren do you want to share your I'm too old for the script What's yours?
	Oh, I don't share it.
	What?
	I don't share that.
	Oh.
	Virgin.
	No, I'm just kidding.
	Let's see here.
	Okay.
	A woman should not be rejected because of her weight.
	Liana, you circled that.
	You circle.
	You agree.
	You agree.
	That's pretty much it.
	Just curious, what's your reasoning there, I guess?
	Wait, I circled that I don't think a woman should be rejected.
	So the statement is a woman should not be rejected because of her weight.
	You circled it, so you agree with the statement.
	I don't think so, but I know people are going to do it anyways.
	I mean, no, you know what?
	I kind of take that back because I think everyone is entitled to their own likes.
	I don't know.
	what about you i was just thinking in a specific situation if you're dating someone who gets fat and she's trying or he or she is trying to do the effort to lose weight then i think you shouldn't be like um um i forgot the word in english so wait she's You shouldn't reject them because they got fat, for example.
	If they're doing the effort to lose the weight, again, you shouldn't be rejecting them.
	But if it is a preference to you to not date someone that is overweight, you shouldn't be doing it.
	But rejecting somebody would typically indicate that it's upfront.
	Just to clarify, so the woman is trying to lose weight.
	Is it your position that a man should not reject her then if she's trying to lose the weight?
	Like he likes everything else about her, but she's really fat.
	But she's trying to lose weight, so he should go ahead and date her anyways.
	No, if he doesn't want to do that, then no.
	If they're in a relationship, you shouldn't just based on that just reject her or like break up.
	Okay, your thoughts on this?
	Obviously, I feel like women should be rejected for their weight because the woman body can fluctuate sometimes, and sometimes, yeah, it's not based on...
	It's not based on what?
	It's not based on like, I don't know, sometimes like women have a lot of health conditions.
	So.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	I feel like they shouldn't be.
	So the guy should go ahead and date her even though he doesn't want to because she's temporarily fat due to her health problems.
	I mean, yeah, what Leanna said, like, obviously the answer is, like, I would like not for that to happen, but I mean, people are going to like what they like at the end of the day.
	But like, women reject men for like a wide variety of physical characteristics.
	I'm not going to reject a man for his height.
	Really?
	Most of the men I've dated are short.
	I swear.
	I swear, look at, you can look at my track record.
	When you say short, let's go into detail.
	So you had a two-year relationship.
	How tall was he?
	5'8.
	How tall are you?
	five four okay i mean i've dated a five five guy I mean, I typically would prefer if a man's my height or taller.
	Would you date a guy who's shorter than you?
	I did in middle school.
	Middle school.
	That's different.
	But like, okay.
	I mean, you would.
	You date a dwarf?
	Maybe if he's the best man I've ever met.
	Okay.
	I would date a dwarf, by the way.
	I'm not trying to throw any shade to the dwarf community.
	I think if anybody knows a female dwarf, link me up.
	Okay.
	Would you date a guy who's shorter than you?
	No.
	Would you date a guy who shorter than you?
	I dated a guy that was my height, but short.
	Okay, how about this?
	Let me change it because y'all want to play this game.
	Is it your preference to date a guy who's shorter than you?
	Okay, to be honest, no.
	Okay.
	Would you date a guy who's balding?
	I don't know.
	All right.
	We're getting to that age, right?
	It's going to start to happen.
	I mean, some guys are bald even in high school and shit.
	My grandpa has a full head of white hair.
	I'm like, so full.
	My dad is fully bald and pulled a 20-year-old when he was 40.
	So it could happen.
	Go down.
	My dad's fully bald and he pulled me someone when she was born.
	This is for you.
	We almost talked about wrong for a man to dump his girlfriend if she regularly turns him down for sex.
	You say that's wrong.
	Why is that?
	Did I say that's wrong?
	What you agreed to the statement?
	So, wrong for a man to dump his girlfriend if she's not.
	I do not agree with that.
	I didn't read it right.
	Oh, okay.
	Gotcha.
	All right.
	So you're if she's like only sleeping with him like three times a year, you think it's totally fine?
	Yeah, like she said, you need to work it out to the best of your ability.
	Right.
	Okay.
	Somebody here did, you would not date a police officer.
	That's you, Katrina, right?
	Right.
	Why is that?
	Why would you not date a police officer?
	I think I have a lot of respect for them.
	I want to preface that.
	Respect for police.
	My uncle was a cop.
	I respect them.
	But I just think, you know, I think there's a lot that goes on there.
	I feel like they're the types to, like lawyers, you know, bring their work home with them and float.
	You know, there's a lot of baggage there, a lot of trauma that I might just not be able to necessarily carry on.
	I worry that that might, you know, damage the marriage that I would have with them, might somehow interfere with the family.
	And I've seen it before with lawyers.
	Somebody, you know, a lawyer goes in to argue.
	He'll bring eventually over time, he brings home his arguments and his debates with him and brings that into the marriage, and it just terminates it.
	I don't, you know, anything similarly that could happen with police officers.
	And I just want to avoid that for myself and my future kids.
	It doesn't sound like you have anything against police officers, though.
	Is that correct?
	Nothing against them.
	Let's see here.
	We have one sec.
	Alina, men care more about looks than women do.
	They do.
	To which you agree.
	I think so, yeah.
	Surprised, you're actually the only one who circled that.
	I figured most of the women would think that men.
	So everyone besides Alina, you guys think women care more about looks than I wouldn't say more.
	I would say possibly equal, yeah.
	Like I care about what a man looks like, too.
	Are we caring about what we look, or is a men caring, a man caring about how he looks, or are we caring about the opposite sex opposite?
	Opposite opposite sex.
	See, that's not how the question was worded.
	Well, it says men care more about.
	Oh, that's fair.
	So that's where my, I think, yes, I think men care more about how women look like women care about how men look.
	How it could be interpreted where it's your own looks.
	Okay.
	Perhaps we should reward that.
	A woman's career, money, status makes her more attractive to men.
	To which, Leanna, you agree?
	Well, after today's conversation, I disagree with you.
	Casey, you agree with that.
	Oops.
	And then, okay, that just, so you now disagree?
	Well, I mean, after everything that's been spoken about today, I'd like to think that men would like a successful woman as well.
	Like, not overstepping, like, I don't think success equals dominant necessarily, but I think it's an attractive quality for a woman to have goals as well and want something for herself, a career, want to be a mom and have other things.
	And so I feel like, I don't know.
	I would like to think that a man finds a woman who strives to be successful just as much as a man to be attractive.
	But maybe I'm wrong with today's discussions.
	Your thoughts on this?
	You also circle the woman's career mother status.
	Just because like I was thinking of it in my current relationship, like we both have goals and ambitions that we both want to pursue.
	And I find it that we like find it attractive within each other that we're constantly wanting to learn, wanting to grow and grow our businesses and stuff.
	So that's why I think that it's not.
	Who here is currently has a career or is pursuing a career?
	I have a career.
	Pursuing.
	Pursuing career.
	Do you work?
	Do you have a job?
	Fitness industry.
	Fitness industry.
	Career.
	Pursuing.
	Pursuing.
	Let's say you meet a guy.
	I know some of you are currently in relationships.
	So say your current boyfriend or whatever, he ends up getting a new job and he becomes a really high earner.
	Your boyfriend or future boyfriend, whatever it is, says, let me change it to your husband.
	Your future husband says to you, I want you to stop working.
	I'm making enough money to support both of us.
	Making more than enough money to support both of us.
	Want to start?
	And also just show of hands, who here wants kids?
	Because that's going to be a factor in this conversation.
	No kids for you?
	I'm not biased.
	If my partner wants kids, I'm more influenced to want to have children, but I don't have like a general desire.
	It's not that.
	Okay, it's not.
	All right.
	Okay.
	Are you willing, in a scenario where your partner does make enough money to fully support the family, are you willing to stop working if he asks you to?
	I would be willing to stop working for a period of time to birth and raise my kid for the first few years, but I would like maybe once they're old enough for me to return to my passions eventually.
	Which are what?
	So I'm in event management, so I plan weddings and a lot of events like that.
	Can you?
	Yeah.
	Is that a stressful job?
	Yes.
	But it's extremely rewarding.
	Coordinating with people and the bridezilla.
	Oh, absolutely.
	Yeah.
	But so your husband makes so much money at this point that you don't need to work.
	And do you, would you, and your husband's like, a condition, I don't know if this is the best framing, but perhaps a condition, he doesn't say this, but a condition of you staying with him.
	You know, he's going to be really dissatisfied in the relationship if you continue working because he wants you to stay at home.
	Do you stop working because your husband asks you to?
	In the sense of raising children, yes.
	But if it's just all 18 years, he's like, we're going to homeschool those fuckers.
	I think kids should go to school and get that social ability.
	Yeah, do it.
	I don't know.
	I think that eventually I would like to at least have.
	So like I don't just do event management.
	I'm also a group fitness instructor on the side.
	So I'd like to at least have like a side job, maybe something that I'm passionate about that I enjoy doing, like one or two days a week to keep, you know, keep my passions alive too and things that I like to do.
	Maybe just a little side thing, not necessarily to support the family, but you know, I have my own interests and I'm totally open to like the first five years being fully like the home maker and like the mother.
	And I look forward to that, but eventually I'd like to go back to home.
	What about you?
	Yeah, I would also agree.
	And then eventually work on creative outlets if I could do so.
	Yeah.
	Okay, so you would stop working if he asked you to.
	What about you?
	I would stop working for like the, like you said, the first five years, but no, he wants you to stop working for till 18.
	Until they're all out of the house in college.
	How about that?
	That's crazy.
	Why is that crazy?
	Well, because also, I think like the way I think about it, I like to have a sense of purpose and ambition and your family.
	Which, yes, but then also when they grow up and they're around like, let's say, 12 years old to 18, they kind of grow into an independency state or not independency, but like leave me alone.
	I don't want, I don't need anything from you.
	So all like you kind of have to do is just cook, bring food or whatever.
	So I kind of would want to have a conversation with my partner and want to kind of go back and have like that goal purpose again for myself.
	Even though, yes, my family is the goal.
	Okay, so you're saying after the kids are out of the household, then you would.
	What if he was like, even then?
	He's like, you know what?
	I need my needs attended to by you.
	Would you then.
	So like a personal slave.
	A mother?
	No, not a slave, but like, you know, he provides you take care of the household.
	And you can still take care of the household and not have kids in the household.
	You know, take care of him, comes home from work, everything's all clean, got a meal ready for him.
	And then you can go during the day to your yoga and your Pilates.
	Well, that's alive.
	You can, you know, watch Oprah or whatever.
	Is it?
	Is she still on that work?
	I don't know if she's still on that.
	I think you can have a small side job and still do all of that.
	Oh my goodness.
	We have.
	Sorry.
	Wait, hold on.
	Somebody came in and like.
	All right.
	Can you give me a donated $1,000?
	Cheers, Bob.
	One of the bottles.
	What's up, Warren?
	Enjoy watching your analysis videos, bro.
	Jungle showing up, checking in and hitting hard.
	Thank you, dude.
	Stay safe out there, bro.
	LA is Kraze.
	Yo, it is crazy.
	By the way, Jungle, it's actually Warren's birthday.
	So thank you for finally getting the champagne pop in here towards the tail end of the show.
	Just checking in here.
	Everybody wants some champagne, champagne?
	Yes.
	No?
	No.
	No?
	Really?
	It's fucking Warren's legendary.
	It's Warren's birthday.
	Oh, husband, Brian.
	You're underage.
	So no, no.
	No.
	But yes.
	No.
	It's Warren's birthday.
	I don't drink.
	Oh, you don't drink?
	I don't drink.
	No?
	No.
	Okay.
	Yes.
	So, one, two, you want some, Warren?
	Yes, please.
	I'd love some.
	Four.
	Okay, lovely.
	Lovely.
	You guys are, we're going to.
	It means a lot hearing comments like that.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, the audience really, a lot of fans of your content, Warren.
	Popular.
	Warren, are you going to clip up?
	Of tonight, do you think you're going to?
	Well, not clip up.
	I mean, are you going to create a clip on your channel of some of the condo tonight?
	I thought we had an interesting video.
	I think your audience is going to hate me, though, because of our exchange.
	I mean, you have a very compelling argument.
	You have your logic.
	It's an interesting one.
	They're going to be like, this fucking beta soy boy wouldn't go down with the Titanic.
	They're going to be like, fucking Warren just mogged the shit out of Brian with Warren's.
	He would go down.
	I thought that he's our man.
	We had some good debate recently.
	No, it was good.
	It was good.
	Impressive.
	All right.
	Here, let me read.
	Can somebody read for me here?
	Alina, I'm going to have you read this, okay?
	Chair 6, that's really cool.
	Find me on X if you wish.
	My ex-handle is Lucas as well.
	I'm married, by the way, and an attorney.
	Maybe wife/slash.
	I can make an intro to a virtuous high earner.
	He'll be hot too.
	Are you I have to actually comprehend what that's he trying to set me up with somebody?
	Yes, yeah, it's coming.
	I got it.
	It's somebody greased it because it's too boring.
	It's about to It's greased Yo, Jungle, you're fucking let by the way.
	Jungle is the guy who actually was the one who did the pickle jar pop.
	The olive jar.
	It was an olive jar, actually.
	Oh, is he the one who walked in?
	No, well, Jungle is the one who kind of instigated that whole thing.
	It was all Jungle's fault.
	Fucking viral all over the internet.
	All right, so we got these Budweiser cups from the fucking 80s or some shit.
	They look classic.
	Oh, yeah.
	I like the rainbow ones you had before.
	You know what, Felicity?
	Let's go back to Party City, Brian.
	Go put the dunce cap on, okay?
	Yeah, we'll pass him down, pass it to her.
	Wait, so wait, did you get that from Lucas, though?
	That was directed at you for cheer six.
	Okay, Alina, read this while I'm sorry.
	Trying to multitask here.
	A short man cannot change his height without corrective surgery.
	A fat woman can lose weight.
	That's true.
	Any other excuse on why a fat woman being unable to lose weight is pure cope 1000%?
	Okay.
	That's pretty filled up.
	Hi.
	So just because.
	Pacey George has a lot to say today.
	I want to know what Pacey George looks like.
	Can you submit a photo of yourself?
	Look, he is one of the most handsome Native American Canadian men I've okay.
	Well, I don't drink much either.
	Well, here then, give Warren.
	Give Warren this big birthday.
	You know what?
	Jungle's a fucking giga chat.
	He might want more.
	All right.
	Let's do a quick cheers to Jungle.
	Salu.
	Thank you, God.
	To Secret Scholar Society.
	And to Warren's birthday.
	Happy 38th.
	Yay.
	Happy birthday.
	It's a good birthday.
	Is this how you thought you'd spend your 38th birthday?
	No.
	On the whatever podcast with.
	Oh, this is like one of the best birthdays I've had in a long time.
	Really?
	Oh, shit.
	Oh, wow.
	That was kind of a wholesome moment there.
	That really was sweet.
	You know, we've been talking about, like, stop celebrating when you get older.
	You do.
	Get this man a birthday cake.
	It is almost 10 p.m.
	Where the fuck can you get a birthday cake?
	Wait, let me do it.
	Let me.
	I'm DoorDashing you a birthday cake.
	Quick.
	I am going to say, can you have a birthday cake?
	At this hour from Sun.
	Wait, what time is it?
	If it's past 10, you can't order Baskin Robins.
	Oh, ice cream cakes.
	Because they have birthday cakes.
	Basketballs.
	Yeah.
	Let me see.
	Yeah.
	Warren, you wanted to talk about, oh, by the way, guys, as a celebratory, celebratory, celebratory, celebratory, celebratory.
	Celebratory.
	English is my second language.
	I've reduced the TTS to $69.
	So Pasty George.
	Oh, my God.
	I screwed it up already.
	I'll read it.
	Jungle F.
	I would only give the champagne pop to Warren and Brian.
	I got a re-trigger.
	The women who are brainwashed on the panel and not worth it.
	Happy birthday, Warren.
	Forgot to.
	Pasty George, you're not worth it.
	All right.
	So the TTS has been fixed.
	It just came through as a read for that one.
	Thank you, Pasty George.
	Appreciate it, man.
	All right, $69 TTS, guys.
	If you want to get a message in, we've lowered it.
	You want to ask our boy, you want to ask my Caucasian over here, Warren Warren Smith.
	Sorry, I'm already drunk.
	I don't drink, so I'm a bit of a lightweight.
	I'm already tipsy.
	So goods fun when Brian drinks.
	Oh, yeah.
	Oh, yeah.
	Oh, yeah, brother.
	Okay.
	Wait, what?
	I already forgot my.
	$69 TTS if you want to show some love for Warren and some hate for Felicity.
	Okay.
	Just kidding.
	Don't do that.
	Or do it.
	Whatever.
	I don't care.
	She doesn't care.
	Whatever.
	She needs.
	You know what?
	We need some roasts towards Alina over there.
	She's got.
	I should take it.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Too many simps last time.
	Okay.
	Anyways, what are we talking about?
	Okay.
	Dating, dating podcast.
	Got it.
	A woman's career money status.
	Warren, you're now engaged.
	But when you were single, would you have dated a barista who was hot?
	Or like, would you have cared?
	Like, is it when you were single, was it a high priority, like a woman's money or her career or her status?
	Or were there other things that were way more important?
	There was definitely other things.
	It's, I was a teacher for much of the time.
	And I would, I'll literally tell you how much I was making.
	Every two weeks, I would get a check for $1,400 every two weeks, 12 months a year.
	So I was constantly trying to throw Hail Marys and think of play a long game.
	And I got lucky.
	It ended up in an unexpected way.
	But I mean, there was that.
	There was that.
	It was interesting being in a relationship with someone who came from so much money and she didn't work.
	She had never worked a day in her life.
	And it was there's something to adversity.
	And it's not that she just didn't work.
	It's that she had never really faced any adversity anyway.
	And I don't want to just bad mouth an ex or anything, but it was you could really see it in her character.
	But that was an interesting dynamic to be facing.
	But it wasn't now that I'm through that, it's completely the opposite now, and I prefer it the way it is.
	If that makes sense, like the person I'm with now, it's not, they don't come for money at all.
	So it's, I feel very fortunate to be in a position where I can provide and be in that role.
	There is something deeply fulfilling.
	I forgot what the question was.
	It's the alcohol.
	It's the champagne.
	Yeah.
	Anyways.
	But it doesn't matter, really.
	Oh, my goodness.
	Can I ask a question on that?
	Yes.
	Would you prefer that a woman have career goals and aspirations or doesn't have any goals or like career goals?
	Goals are important.
	The question is, what are the goals?
	If the goals are to, I like the dynamic.
	That's what attracted me.
	One of the things that attracted me to this individual is saying, I really, my goal is to be a mom and to that's that was her dream.
	She wanted that.
	And when we entered this relationship, I was making $1,400.
	Now that I think about it, I'm like, whoa, that's what was I planning?
	I mean, but what else are you going to do if that's the dream?
	And there's also the potential for, I really believe in family businesses.
	And I think I've seen like my uncle contractor company, he starts that.
	And his wife, my aunt, kept the books and things in a way.
	So there's ways to contribute in a family.
	Personally, I'm going to just be completely honest.
	Like, my mom is the strongest, smartest, most professional person I've ever seen.
	Like, she's accomplished things that are just incredible.
	And it was a very reverse dynamic, is what I would describe as a traditional dynamic.
	So, growing up and seeing that, she's still working to this day because she loves it.
	But it wasn't, it didn't end up, they ended up getting divorced as well.
	So, I can see where that backfires.
	But I can understand someone who needs that purpose.
	So, it's a, it's a, I can understand both sides of it, if that makes sense.
	But you would prefer.
	Oh, my goodness.
	Oh, goodness.
	Another champagne bottle, please.
	Give me a paper towel.
	$1,000.
	Yo, Pasty.
	Champagne pop is for Warren only, but it can be a birthday cake pop instead or something else to Warren.
	I will do more champagne.
	Happy birthday, Warren.
	Thank you.
	Yo, Pasty.
	Thank you so much, man.
	Yo, guys, W's in the chat for Pasty.
	And also, W's in the chat for Jungle from earlier.
	Thank you so much, guys.
	Really appreciate it.
	Pasty.
	He's our Canadian hero.
	He's our Native American hero.
	What tribe are you, Pasty?
	Are you.
	I'm not sure.
	You told us before, but okay, thank you.
	We'll pop another.
	That's really nice.
	Thank you.
	Yes.
	Wait, this is for Warren only?
	That's what he said.
	So while Warren can opt to share it with the rest, but I'll leave it.
	Do you want to just drink this whole thing?
	I'll fill the glass.
	He'll have a good amount.
	We'll celebrate for sure.
	How much is left?
	Pound that, Warren.
	We'll fill you up.
	Pound it.
	It's like a fucking frat house waver.
	I have a feeling that Pasty George doesn't like me.
	He'll be fitting a little bit.
	I don't think he likes any of us.
	Yo, Pasty, you're a legend.
	Thank you so much, man.
	Oh, I had a question.
	Okay, so kind of related, going back to this topic a little bit.
	Perfect man for life or perfect career for life.
	Perfect man.
	Perfect man.
	Perfect for man.
	Perfect man.
	Anybody picked up perfect career?
	Damn, you guys are too.
	Can you guys argue with me on something?
	I'm too like.
	I'll find something.
	How about this?
	This is going to piss you guys off.
	The guy won't kiss you after you've gone down on him.
	Bye.
	Bye.
	I don't do that.
	You don't?
	I don't.
	Why?
	If I just, she's, I need like a 24-hour break.
	24 hours after she's.
	Even if she brushed her teeth, I'm kind of like.
	Shut up.
	How old are you again?
	36.
	This would mean you're not cleaning yourself, Will.
	No, it hasn't.
	Wait, why are you afraid of your own?
	It's not, like, I could have like autoclaved.
	Is that wait?
	What the?
	I could have autoclaved that shit and I wouldn't even like kiss.
	Like, I could just be out fresh out of the shower, done some crazy shit.
	UV radiation, UV light.
	I don't, it's just, I wouldn't do that.
	Would you kiss a woman after?
	Would you expect a woman to kiss you after going down on her?
	Oh, that's funny because I don't do that.
	You're lying.
	I don't.
	You've never gone down on a woman.
	Oh, I have.
	But you don't.
	Let me tell you the last time I did that.
	It was the Bush administration.
	You got to remember I'm 36, right?
	This is the tail end of the Bush administration.
	It was like 2007, 2008.
	Obama was about to come into office.
	I have not gone down on the girls since George Bush Jr. Jr. Jr.
	Since he was the president of the United States, the great United States.
	It's been a long time, is what he's trying to explain.
	Why the shirt?
	Any specific reason, but relax, Felicity.
	I know you're very curious about this.
	I don't understand it.
	The shirt.
	Yeah, why do you love Big Labia so much, but you won't go near one?
	I know.
	That's what I'm saying.
	I mean, a girl.
	Do you really love it?
	I do.
	I am a fan of far away.
	Opposer?
	Yeah.
	Oh, I'm opposer.
	Yeah, yeah.
	She's trying to shame me into.
	Sorry to interrupt you.
	Do you expect a woman to go down on you?
	Would it be a.
	Would you feel upset if she never wanted to go down on you?
	It's not a deal breaker.
	If a girl.
	Like never.
	But she never will.
	No, not a deal breaker.
	It doesn't matter.
	It's not a deal breaker, but do they do it anyways?
	Like, have I dated women who go down on me?
	Yes.
	Sure, but.
	But it's not a deal.
	It's not a deal.
	Would I prefer them to go down on me?
	Yeah.
	It's great.
	But I just, I have a sexual boundary.
	I have a sexual boundary.
	I mean, sure, yeah, whatever floats your boat.
	For the perfect woman, would you go down on her?
	Oh, that's a good question.
	I think I talked about that.
	But is it for the perfect woman?
	Would he eat the box?
	Yeah, sure.
	For the perfect woman, yes.
	But that does not exist.
	Would you sleep with a woman on her period?
	Boys, it's greased.
	Hold on, let me get to it.
	I don't like these kinds of conversations.
	Why?
	Just visualize it.
	He's really trying.
	Your eyes look like they're going to pop out of your head when you do that.
	Damn, bro.
	That's crazy.
	Yeah, the other champagne bottles are not.
	All right, let's get.
	Oh, thank you.
	Yeah.
	Anybody want more?
	Oh, no, this is just for Warren, I guess.
	Anybody want a film?
	Oh, you'd like to gift the rest of us?
	You're saying tilt the cup.
	I just.
	Wait, I got to tell you guys the thing, though.
	First off, look, it's a sexual boundary, you know?
	I just don't enjoy doing that.
	And it can also give you throat cancer.
	What?
	Going.
	Oh, you didn't know, Warren?
	Let me get you cut.
	I got to get you caught up to speed, Warren.
	Warren's woman like this.
	I have a feeling.
	Going, throat cancer.
	Men who eat pussy have a greater risk of developing throat cancer.
	Is that true?
	It is true.
	It is true.
	You heard it from Mary.
	Whatever, if Mary says it, must be true.
	Yes.
	It's our medicine.
	I've seen it.
	I'm telling you.
	I'm telling you.
	Well, you guys are still working on their champagne.
	But he's not sharing.
	It's for him to share.
	Thanks, Warren.
	We'll fill that up.
	Yeah, I mean.
	Yeah.
	I don't want to talk.
	But man, I got.
	A girl got a.
	If she's dealing with me, she's a lot to, you know, I'm high maintenance.
	I'm high maintenance, you know?
	Describe your perfect woman.
	Hey, relax, Felicity.
	Felicity.
	Perfect woman?
	Yeah, Big Labia won't touch it.
	Giant.
	Hey.
	First off, let me just make something very clear.
	Let me make something very clear, okay?
	I believe the woman should and needs to come first.
	That's fair.
	If possible, multiple times.
	That's your perfect woman.
	Well, no.
	Well, I was getting, they distracted me from here.
	Let's do a quick cheers to our good friend, Pacey George.
	Might be a fan.
	To Pacey George, Salu.
	Thank you.
	Salu.
	Oh, I poured it all in the cup.
	Okay.
	Cheers.
	Mmm. I still wanted to.
	Oh my God.
	Felicia, you asked some crazy question.
	She's got to come first, preferably multiple times, if she can do that.
	So it's not like I'm being selfish.
	She's still got to, you know, I want to please her.
	I think that's fair.
	But you can do it other ways.
	Hands.
	Penis.
	That's pretty much it.
	I mean, you could, so, you know, whatever.
	Sometimes if you want, blow on it from a disease.
	Sometimes.
	But yeah, I mean, would it, so is that a deal breaker for anybody?
	Like, the guy won't go down?
	Absolutely.
	Because I feel like a lot of women don't come off of just penetration.
	They have to be stimulated.
	And I feel, again, like you said, fingers, toys.
	I feel like you can be stimulated in other ways.
	Yeah, of course.
	But I don't know.
	I feel like women should get head.
	True.
	No head.
	No.
	Steelburger for me personally.
	Warren, you got to clip this, clip this, put it on your channel.
	Secret Scholar Society presents to you.
	Head or no head.
	Look, I'm just, I am saying, though, you can get throat cancer with that shit.
	You know, if you're doing that shit, man.
	You can get.
	What moves that guy?
	Who's that actor?
	Chat.
	Who's that chat chat?
	Who's the actor who got throat cancer?
	It's tied to like HPV because these dudes be, you know.
	I mean, that's, that's one of the reasons.
	Also, it's like, look, if you're dealing with a loyal girl, but like, people beat, people are giving oral sex like early on or even on a one-night stand and you don't know where they've been.
	So it's like you definitely, and or your girl could be cheating on you.
	You don't even know.
	So like the idea of going down on a girl who just dealt with another guy, that's a yikes for me.
	So then the question is.
	But hold on, hold on.
	There's differences.
	There's differences.
	Because as a dude, if I could have sex with a girl and then go take a shower and I'm good as new, I'm good.
	I'm fret.
	And I could see, I could be with another woman and I'm fresh.
	The other one, she's she's soaked off of me.
	But if a guy blasts inside of you, that shit lingers at least two or three days.
	Well, that's not blasts and all that.
	I have a question though.
	So if someone or if a woman gets tested regularly and then she kind of she shows you the test and she's like negative for everything, would you go down on her?
	Well, look, first of all, there's Photoshop.
	He won't be able to Photoshop.
	Even a virgin, I'm sure.
	Well, also, the thing with the test, though, is that a lot of these tests, they don't test for like herpes typically.
	They don't test for HPV.
	And also the test could not, like, she could have taken the test, fuck the dude.
	Or she was asymptomatic when she took the test, but now she's symptomatic.
	I'm just saying, nah, I'm good.
	What if you're gonna apply?
	Sorry to interrupt.
	No, you're good.
	Go ahead.
	Oh, wouldn't the same thing apply for sex then?
	What do you mean?
	Like, if you're oh, yeah, sure.
	Those, yeah, but I mean, like, you're not as worried if you.
	At least I get something out of them.
	So here's my question: let's say you're in a committed relationship with someone.
	Would you consider it then?
	If you're no, not even, not even.
	It's a boundary, even in a committed relationship.
	But for to Lena's point, the perfect woman, there are compromises I'm willing to make.
	So you just don't like to do it.
	Like you just don't like the actual action of doing it?
	Yes, correct.
	That's fine.
	Well, hold on.
	And all the other negative consequences that I was talking about, too.
	Like the risk of throat cancer, like if there's infidelity or if she's dealing with another dude, then yeah, that would just be gross.
	I agree with that.
	Like for me, if he doesn't want to do it, then I don't want him to do it.
	Like it's not going to be enjoyable for me.
	If he's just doing it to please me, if he's like, oh my god, I want to do that so bad, then that's the only way that I will enjoy it too.
	The fuck you guys, what are you guys talking about?
	Felicity, you talking shit?
	No.
	What are you talking about, Felicity?
	I don't think nothing.
	Mary, rat on this.
	We're taking a picture.
	I'm a part of it.
	Taking a picture?
	No.
	Yeah.
	No.
	No, of us, not of you, of us.
	The fuck.
	Wait, can I go back to the question I asked you earlier?
	Yeah, what was her question?
	Would you sleep with a woman who was on her period?
	Oh, sorry.
	You know, Allie Wong is very comedian, female comedian.
	I typically don't.
	You haven't?
	No, no, no.
	I'm not going to say that comment, but there's no good thing.
	I know her.
	She had this, she has a bit, and the bit goes like this: Allie Wong.
	Is that what you said?
	I'm pretty sure it's Ali Wong.
	She's like, dating.
	The most romantic thing a guy can say to a woman is as follows.
	If you tell the guy that you're on your period, whatever, and he's not like grossed out, and he's like, Well, I guess we're going to have to make a fucking mess, aren't we?
	I delivered that really fucking bad.
	But it's my preference to not have sex when she's on her period.
	But, you know, sometimes what the girl spotting, you got to stick in there like a champ.
	You got to finish off.
	Full-blown, though.
	But generally, yeah, if you know, she starts spotting.
	Get some blood on your body.
	You got to be a trooper.
	You got to be a fucking team player and finish the game.
	But if she's like, hey, Brian, I'm on my period.
	I'm like, let's just watch a movie of zombie movie.
	Let's just kick it.
	Let's just kick it.
	We don't have to do anything.
	Let's order pizza and watch Netflix.
	I don't.
	That's not why I'm with you.
	I kind of think that would be the answer.
	Brian's a gentleman.
	Oh, yeah.
	Yeah, yeah.
	I'm watching Lost right now.
	It's been a minute.
	I need to see.
	Okay.
	We have some.
	Is the audio?
	Chef Dill Pickles donated $69.
	Thank you.
	Has she seriously never heard your BLM explanation before?
	Is he talking about me?
	Probably not.
	Talking about me.
	At least I know what he's referring to.
	Felicity.
	Felicity is.
	She's been getting a little more confident, you know.
	Felicity over here.
	I might have to put her back in the back seat.
	She's ignoring the panel to bit too.
	I appreciate the input of my esteemed colleague, Felicity.
	Thank you, Pasty.
	Pasty George donated $70.
	Oh, he can.
	It's Warren's champagne.
	Also, I am Indigenous Cree.
	He's Indigenous Cree, Canadian.
	What is that?
	Wait, was that Pasty that said the mean one?
	Native American.
	It wasn't Pasty that said the mean now.
	No, it was Chef Dill Pickles who said the mean one.
	Okay.
	Wait.
	So perfect man or perfect career?
	Y'all, but everybody said perfect.
	He's a perfect man.
	All right.
	Let's see here.
	No, that one's for like a really hardcore conservative guy.
	So can I just ask it to you anyway?
	Would you rather get a BJ from a trans woman or the COVID vaccine?
	Oh, God.
	That's tough.
	The COVID vaccine.
	Oh.
	Okay.
	That's a pretty.
	A BJ from a trans woman or get the COVID jab.
	Yeah, I had to.
	I got the.
	I had to.
	I was teaching.
	Oh, it was required.
	Yeah.
	Emotional brainer, really.
	Emotional damage says period days are BJ days.
	Just relive college days, girls.
	Oh, Lord.
	Yeah.
	He's really nice, too.
	$69.
	Guys, $69 TTS if you want to get it in.
	We're getting these in.
	Quick.
	Wait, hold on.
	Pasty George here.
	Our good.
	Not again.
	I need to do.
	I need to do a land acknowledgement because we have Pasty George in the chat.
	Warner, would you like to join me in the land acknowledgement?
	Sure.
	Okay.
	We are.
	Hold on.
	Let me fucking Google how to do a land acknowledgement.
	Chat GPT is actually.
	Here, we're going to do it.
	It's Chumash here.
	Chumash land acknowledgement.
	Oh my God.
	I can't tell you right now.
	We acknowledge that we are on the traditional lands of the Chumash people who have stewarded this region for thousands of years.
	We honor the Chumash nation, past, present, and future, and recognize their enduring relationship with this land, water, and community.
	We offer respect to the elders and knowledge keepers of the Chumash people and reaffirm our commitment.
	This one's not.
	It needs to be like, we acknowledge we're on stolen land.
	The original stewards.
	You have this coding.
	I can't even see your screen.
	It's like, oh, it's a privacy.
	I don't want you seeing all my notes.
	Oh, you were supposed to read part of it.
	Yeah.
	He couldn't, though.
	That's all right.
	You did good.
	Here, what about this part?
	Can you?
	This one?
	We're gathered today in the ancestral lands the Barbano Chumash.
	If in Santa Barbara area, one of several bands of the Chumash Nation.
	Thank you.
	Thank you, Warren.
	That was great, Warren.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	Thank you, Pasty George.
	Wait.
	Did I even send his.
	Oh, wait.
	He sends in another one.
	Oh, my goodness.
	He is on fire.
	Pasty George, this man is on fire.
	Why is it not?
	It's not popping up.
	It's Pasty George.
	Chair one.
	Boinking.
	Pasty George donated $70.
	Chair one, boinking a woman who is on her period is gross.
	That is like asking a man to boink bloody.
	Yikes.
	Okay, I don't know about that, but using the word boink is gross.
	Yeah, let me start there.
	How old are you?
	Define the word boink.
	I think we're all adult.
	It gets censored.
	Right?
	Oh, does it?
	I think it gets censored.
	No, he did.
	He did.
	Pasty George did write boink, but let's.
	You want to make sure it was right.
	He might be a Cree saying.
	Yeah.
	We shouldn't assume.
	It might be his native tongue.
	What about this, though?
	Would you guys be offended?
	Like, let's say you just start dating a guy and he's trying to kick it with you.
	He's trying to hang out.
	But he like, but it's really new.
	Maybe you've only been seeing him for a week or two.
	You've already hooked up with him once.
	But he asks you, are you on your period?
	Is that going to upset you?
	Because maybe the implication there is he's going to be like, if you say yes, he's going to be like, oh, we can kick it another day.
	Would you be upset?
	You know?
	I don't think I would be upset just because then that's kind of just showing me where their head's at.
	Not necessarily that I need to like take them serious.
	So, yeah.
	I agree to an extent.
	I mean, yeah, they're telling you what their expectations are in the beginning.
	So, I mean, that's fine.
	That's fair if that's not what you want to do.
	For sure.
	On a first date, I actually ask for their tracking app for them to send me a screenshot of it for three months in advance.
	You know the tracking app?
	You know the body camera?
	The tracking app so I can plan our shit.
	Because I'm a gentleman.
	I'm a gentleman and I'm just, I want to plan.
	I want to get to know you.
	I want to plan shit in advance.
	Like, I want to.
	That's kind of sweet, though.
	Like, Bali?
	I wouldn't go to Bali if she's going to be on the bus.
	Yeah, I don't blame you.
	I got to plan that shit.
	I just can't.
	I have no words.
	I just, I, I just, guys, look.
	That's fine.
	We agree to this question.
	I think it's fair.
	Look, you're going to lose the girl if you ask for that shit before the first time you're with her.
	But I think it once you, the first time you guys have, ask.
	Because you know how they got the tracking apps where it can tell, like, a couple of people.
	When they're going to ovulate, when they're going to ovulate, when they're going to be, you know, on their period.
	Ask for the screenshots.
	I thought you meant like the first date.
	I thought you meant a restaurant.
	Oh, you could.
	Don't waste your time.
	On the first day.
	Just show me the tracking.
	But again, he's just showing you his expectations if he's doing that.
	So, I mean, no matter what, you're learning something from it.
	It's either someone you want to be with or not.
	Yeah.
	It's just a very respectful thing.
	Has that ever happened to anyone here?
	No.
	No.
	I don't even think men know about that shit.
	I didn't know that.
	Probably.
	Warren, you got to.
	They got tracking apps.
	They do.
	And they're good.
	They will predict like three months in advance when the girl's going to get her period.
	But if you're on a hook, it's a pretty often sometimes.
	Yeah, it's not.
	It's not 100%.
	So what if you plan a date a week before she happens to get her period?
	Like that guy who took you to Bali.
	This is why I do.
	This is what I do.
	Book her a flight back home or I leave her in Bali and I shout out.
	I did.
	Brian, how do you know?
	What?
	How do you know about the tracking apps?
	Who told you?
	What?
	You guys keep that secret?
	It's just so weird.
	It's like, how do you know that?
	Because you just said to Warren that not a lot of guys know that.
	They don't.
	How do you know?
	He's extremely concerned about when a girl's on his period, clearly.
	So he's made a man who has dated women before.
	Warren's totally being your wingman right here.
	Yeah, no, I got you covered.
	Don't worry.
	No, it's like look, you know, you just, these are things that men know.
	Some of them.
	Some of them.
	Okay, we have more chats here.
	Brian hates Brian.
	Have to Big Labia.
	Donate.
	No.
	Oh, no.
	Brian, you definitely dyed your hair and beard.
	No, this is natural.
	Naturally.
	Oh, you don't think I'm a dumb bitch?
	Dang.
	Brian hates Big Labia.
	I love that.
	That's not true.
	Not true.
	Big Labia matter, BLM.
	There it is.
	By the way, we have a rule.
	If you simp on a panelist, you have to send in a second.
	It's called the simp tax.
	So you need to now send in a second $69 TTS because you've just simped on her.
	Or you can send me a bottle of champagne.
	That works too.
	There you have it.
	We have Pasty George, our good friend.
	Pasty George donated $70.
	I believe that the land was stolen by those who were in power and not by the everyday normal people who just wanted to settle and work to provide for their families.
	Kumashello L.
	That was actually sweet.
	We mispronounced the.
	Chumash.
	I thought it was Chumash.
	Chumash.
	It's Chumash.
	Chumash.
	Okay, let's get back into the questionnaire.
	We got some more questionnaire stuff.
	What would you want the minimum yearly income to be for your future husband?
	Starting with you?
	From my experience, I just, I mean, around the same or over, like a little bit under is fine, but I don't, I don't know.
	I would like to be able to, you know, book vacations and do dinners that like meet up to work kind of where I'm at.
	I don't know.
	Like I said before, I don't want to fully financially support a man.
	That's just me.
	They don't have to make more money than me.
	Maybe just somewhere around the same range where we have the same financial goals.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	I think that's fair.
	Like 30 to 40 K Euro.
	Okay.
	A year.
	Got it.
	What about you?
	Like around six figures, I would say, because we live in LA.
	It's really expensive over here.
	And also, I just want to be comfortable with my family.
	And we want to be able to.
	What did you write on the.
	It looks like $500,000.
	Yeah.
	That's the minimum.
	Well, because I was like, no, because I was answering the questions, and then he was asking for the papers back.
	And I was like, quick.
	I don't know.
	We're like, yes, you're going to get a million dollars.
	Okay, but it's definitely like six figures.
	Definitely whatever is going to be more comfortable with our financial situation and just to also like be like experience life because I still haven't traveled the world and we haven't traveled the world.
	So that's where my mindset's at.
	She said a million dollars.
	You've been dating a guy for six months.
	How much does he make?
	He almost made six figures.
	Okay.
	Have you ever dated a guy who makes six figures?
	Yeah.
	500,000?
	Have you dated him?
	Well, we broke up.
	I was dating him.
	What about you?
	I said someone who makes as much as I do or a little bit more.
	Which is what?
	How much do I make?
	Yeah.
	Between like 60 and 70K a year.
	Dope.
	What about you, Alina?
	For me, it depends on the location where we live right now.
	You live in Siberia.
	Oh, Siberia?
	It would be a lot less.
	Probably.
	Like 60, like 50,000 or something, even less than that.
	Or like.
	What is the Russian currency?
	Rubies or whatever?
	Rubles.
	Rubles, yeah.
	Yeah.
	What about you?
	Is this in the context of marriage?
	Yeah.
	$100K if he's the sole provider and I'm a stay-at-home mom.
	Got it.
	Cool.
	$150,000.
	Huh?
	How much?
	$150,000.
	We're in Santa Barbara.
	With her high expectations.
	Okay.
	How tall are you, and what's the minimum height of a man you would date?
	I'm 5'4.
	I think I said 5'5.
	What about you?
	Oh, the U.S. centimeters.
	Yeah, it's like 170 centimeters.
	It's 170 centimeters, so a minimum 100.
	You can scoot your chair in, by the way.
	Yeah.
	That'll help.
	That'll help out a bit.
	Okay.
	So you said you're 5'8, and then the height of the gun?
	7, yeah, I think.
	What about you?
	I'm 5'3, and I'd want to.
	The height minimum is like 6 feet.
	6 feet.
	Bare minimum.
	Wait, hold on.
	Casey.
	Casey.
	Say some shit about like weight.
	And then, oh, I would date a short guy.
	Bro, you wrote 600.
	That question was.
	I was like, stamp my answer was kind of all right.
	What if he's like 5'11?
	That's fine.
	Okay.
	That's fine.
	She'll settle.
	Is your favorite thing?
	She'll settle for the 5'11 guy.
	What about you?
	I'm 5'6 ⁇ .
	I think I said, and I said 5'8, 5'9.
	Alina?
	I'm about 5'5, maybe 5'8.
	What about you?
	I'm 5'5.
	5'10 is the minimum preference.
	Felicity?
	5'5'5'9.
	Okay.
	And then would you rather cross?
	Wait, is it even worth asking?
	Oh, y'all said man, everybody here said man.
	Oh, shit.
	We're all smart then.
	Any disagreements?
	No, no, no, no.
	Oh my gosh.
	We're all logical ladies.
	I have a disagreement.
	Go ahead.
	Alina.
	All right.
	Speak up.
	Finally.
	So why do you ask the body count?
	that's the disagreement yeah i'm just wondering like why Yeah.
	I don't know.
	Like, I just think it's kind of like a private detail that if somebody chooses not to share it, it then makes them look bad.
	Like, the body count is too high.
	Or like, why is she deciding not to share it?
	Like, it makes them look kind of sketchy.
	So you're kind of like pushed into saying it, but then like such a private, intimate detail of you is out on the internet.
	So it's like, it's kind of a trap.
	If I knew you were SARS, I wouldn't have said mine to be honest.
	I mean, I think a lot of people just opt not to answer it.
	But you're saying like people are making assumptions if the person doesn't answer it.
	Yeah.
	Like it makes them look like it's high when it should just be like something like if it's a private detail, you don't have to say it, and then it doesn't matter.
	I mean, then the woman could just answer it well.
	She did.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, I mean, I tried to opt out.
	But I mean, initially, there was a moment into the mic, if you can, but it's all good.
	Well, I think that a woman could say the following.
	It's low, but I don't want to answer.
	So I think you have to give women some agency here.
	Like they could answer the question in such a way without answering it, without allowing people to make assumptions.
	But I also feel like if you say low, that could be up for interpretation.
	Somebody else is low.
	It could be different than somebody else's.
	It's less than five.
	Then they're going to think four.
	I feel like it's damned if you do, damned if you don't.
	It doesn't matter.
	Can I ask you a question?
	Yeah.
	What would you consider low, and at what point do you consider it high for somebody who is 30 years old?
	Just say that.
	Because I know it varies depending on.
	Yeah, I mean, there's kind of some differentials here, but I would generally say I said last time I said I answered this.
	And I'm not saying that this is necessarily the ideal, but I said like what I start considering high.
	And this is, of course, factoring in like, say, a woman who's 35, right?
	I think quite clearly over 20 is a high body count.
	Some people are going to start debating if over 10 is necessarily a high body count.
	I think an easy metric would be under 10 is going to be low, depending on your age.
	Over 10 is going to be high.
	If you're 18, 19, and you have a body count of nine, I think a lot of people are going to say if ate it, 18.
	You're going to say that that's a high body count, for example.
	When I was 18, yeah, my body count was one, but now I'm like 28 years old, and obviously it's gone up from then.
	Multiply it by three, and that's the real number.
	I lost my virginity at 17.
	Okay.
	And I had a boyfriend, so I was at one.
	But I think most men are going to say, and I would agree with this, is that in terms of our own personal preferences, the lower the better.
	Under five or zero.
	Can I ask you this?
	At what point is a man's body count considered high?
	Oh.
	In your opinion.
	Well, wouldn't this be a female perspective?
	Well, I want to hear your perspective personally.
	I would just say the same as whatever I say for a woman is.
	It's the same for a man.
	You think over 10 for a man is high?
	Well, I said there's a bit of gray area there.
	I'll just say over 20 is like a high body count.
	Okay.
	For a guy.
	But over 10 is a high body count for a woman.
	No, well, I did make some.
	You retracted your statement and said over 10.
	So I just wanted to hold that.
	Unless you want to go back to over 20, then that's totally fair.
	Well, I mean, I think when it comes to social assessments, women just care less about male promiscuity than the reverse.
	So, I don't know.
	I just feel like a lot of the men that I know, when I've asked them this question, their range has always been like over 50, over 30 at the minimum.
	And then I've said, say, you know, 10 to 15, and people are like, oh my God, that's insane.
	And I'm like, you literally just told me you slept with 55 women.
	We are the same age.
	And I said that I slept with 10.
	And I'm.
	I don't know.
	Why do men have to die on the Titanic?
	It's just so unfair.
	So unfair.
	One of the perks: men have to die on the Titanic, but we get to be sluts.
	That's the trade-off, I guess.
	I don't know.
	Strange.
	Can you agree with me, though, that that tends to be the perspective of everyone?
	It says, yeah.
	I don't care about body count, really.
	Warren.
	Wait, you mean when you say you don't care about body count, like you don't care about what you're about?
	Are you tanked Warren?
	I would try.
	More champagne for Warren.
	Yes.
	Now I'm starting to really speak honestly, but I would prefer to be with someone who knows what they're doing.
	If that makes sense, without it being excessive.
	I'm not going to get with an OnlyFans model or something like that.
	Couldn't a woman who's been in one long-term relationship and like I guess she's had a lot of sex.
	But her body counts one, right?
	Yeah, absolutely.
	So yes and no.
	Yeah.
	Honestly, though, like here's the thing, right?
	Is as a guy, if you know what you're doing, I think you can take a woman who's never had sex or had very little sex and have really good sex with her.
	Like, I don't know, sex is not a complicated procedure.
	You know?
	You know what I mean?
	No?
	It's an art.
	An art.
	But, like, I guess, is this an entailment of your position, though?
	So, would you then say, well, then, if it is the case that I want a woman who's more experienced, it is thus desirable that she has fucked more men.
	Like, you would want her to have slept with more men before she met you, which I just sounds really untenable.
	You know what I mean?
	Right, right.
	No, I wouldn't say that no.
	But you want, okay, experience.
	I see.
	Someone who's like, oh, what do I do now?
	That'd be kind of hot.
	But she doesn't have to be like that.
	You know what I mean?
	That's not how it goes.
	Like, you can do the work and teach her, and then the next time she's going to know what she's doing.
	It doesn't take like so many experiences to know what you're doing, especially as a girl.
	Yeah, I'm not disagreeing with that either.
	And I do think, though, on this conversation, when it comes to like in terms of the like the actual physical skill set when it comes to sex, like it's way harder for a man to be good in bed than it is for a woman to meet like the minimum threshold of what is good in bed.
	Like a man has to have more skill than a woman if that makes any sense.
	I don't know.
	Not necessarily.
	What are you all thinking?
	I don't know what it's like.
	Well, the reason I'll make my argument that women are welcome to respond is that, so just due to the differences in anatomy between men and women, there's just certain like just realistic differences.
	So here's, I guess here's the best way I could put it.
	Like, I think a lot of men, if they are like having a sexual encounter with a woman who's a virgin, who's had very, like really inexperienced sexually, I'm pretty sure most men could take that woman and they could climax.
	But like, I'm not sure the same can be said with like the reverse.
	And also, here, I guess here's the here's the other.
	No, you're totally fine.
	Here's the other framing: is if a woman was doing literally nothing, like you just put her in doggy style or whatever position, and she just stays there without moving.
	Most men, they might want her to be a bit more involved, but most men can bring themselves to climax having sex with her.
	If a man just stands there or lays there with a boner, there's less women who could, through their own movement, could make themselves climax by doing that.
	So, it just easier for it's just anatomy, right?
	So, that's, I guess, my reasoning.
	I don't know.
	I'd like to see the statistic on that.
	Well, look, to be fair, there's women who are like insanely orgasmic and can like come super easily.
	But, like, I would say that like most, I think there's a majority of men who, if the woman's just like puts herself in doggy and she just is stationary and he's thrust, he can, he can make himself come to like majority of men.
	I'd say 95%, 99% of men can make themselves climax in that situation.
	If you, if you, as a girl, just like have a dude who's just there and he's just stiff, it's way less women who can like they're throwing it back or doing whatever the fuck y'all do who can make themselves climax.
	I know a lot of women, friends of mine, who actually have an easier time being on top because they're in control rather than just sitting there and doing nothing.
	Or, I mean, I guess it's just it depends on the person, right?
	Like, but what he's getting at is that like men can literally climax in any way, shape, or form.
	It doesn't really matter.
	Women, it takes more thought, more process.
	Like, you have to be like in the mind.
	I feel like women, you have to be in the mindset to want to.
	It's all mind games for us.
	Whereas for men, it's all like biological.
	They're like, ah, this is great, having fun, whatever.
	But women, we all get in our head and we think about a bunch of stuff.
	Yeah.
	When do we get to this, by the way?
	I don't know how we got here.
	I really don't remember.
	Warren was saying he likes a woman to know what she wants.
	Oh, experience.
	Oh, yeah.
	And I was just saying how, like, I think you can.
	You can mold.
	Yeah, you can mold a female who has like no experience more as a man who has experience already knows what he wants.
	Yeah.
	Anyways, we got some more chats coming through.
	We have Pasty George.
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	Pasty George.
	Uh-oh.
	Pasty George donated $70.
	What kind of delusional technique makes any woman think that they are worthy of a man who makes over six figures, let alone a five-figure income?
	What do you bring to the table to be worthy of?
	All right, that's for you.
	You respond to that.
	What do you say?
	So I would say I would just be very supportive of my partner and cater to him to like what he needs, basically, because I was talking about like family too.
	Sorry, in the scenario, is that we have a family.
	Like that, that's that.
	That's what my ideal man, like, we should be making six figures.
	So yeah, I would, but what I would bring was definitely like I would cater to my man.
	I'd support my man.
	I'd nurture my man in any kind of way because that's who I want to be.
	And I want to, I want to take care of my man.
	That's just always 500,000 though.
	That's a good amount of money.
	Six figures.
	Pacey George.
	Yeah, I just said something.
	Got Desert Joe here.
	Thank you, man.
	Desert traditionated $69.
	Thank you.
	Agree or disagree.
	Men lie about having a high account.
	Women lie about having a low account.
	Why?
	Women prefer experienced men.
	Men do not have the same preference.
	And this goes back to that American Pie thing, divide by three.
	The thing is, though, I feel like I, girls, maybe you tell me what you think.
	I think even player dudes are gonna lie.
	Well, probably most of you guys don't talk about body count, right?
	I mean, this is like a podcast thing, whatever, but I think even player dudes are gonna lie about their body count because they don't want to be perceived as a player.
	And they think if I tell her that I have a high body count, this will actually is gonna reduce my chances of getting laid.
	I hate to be that person, but like if I found out that a male had a lower body count, I'd be like, okay, you're inexperienced.
	That's fine.
	That's fair.
	And I'm going to show you what I like, what I enjoy, all of those things.
	So I don't think it's necessarily a bad thing.
	But is it true that women like guys with a higher body count?
	I think you don't have to necessarily dictate and like explain what you like because they've already had that experience.
	But at the same time, like if you know what you like, what does it matter how many people you slept with in the past?
	I personally just don't want to be with somebody who's never been with anyone before.
	Agreed.
	That's just me where I'm at in my age now in experience.
	But I also would prefer if a man has not slept with the entire Los Angeles County.
	Like, I don't know.
	Guys, the runner for body counts, and I just don't talk to them anymore because I don't like that.
	Yeah, that's fair.
	I think for me, I kind of just don't ask the question because I don't want to know what you've done in your past.
	Like, that's your past.
	This is a hypothesis.
	Not hypothesis.
	This is a thought I had.
	Well, so there's body count, but then there's like a scumbag count.
	So like a girl's body count could be low, but if she dealt with like a grimy dude, that's like, that's a multiplier.
	That's like an X10.
	Really?
	I've heard your theory on this, and I actually do love this.
	Her body count, say her body count's one, but she had she got with shit.
	Who's like a scummy dude?
	Like the island boys.
	Oh my God, with their face tats and they're all fucked up.
	Mangled hair.
	James Franco.
	James Franco, there you go.
	Who's like just a grimy dude?
	Takashi 6'9.
	Takashi.
	Yeah, Takashi 6ix9ine.
	I'm just like, that like multiplies it by like 10.
	That's a 10x multiplier.
	That's worth 10 bodies.
	Yeah.
	So if they deal with a grimy dude or like a guy, it doesn't even have to be a celebrity, but it's like you know the dude and he's just, you don't like the dude.
	It's that's a multiplier.
	Agreed.
	Do you think the same could apply the other way around?
	Like a grimy woman?
	Yeah.
	Well, how about this?
	Like, let's say a dude slept with a prostitute.
	You.
	You would probably view that, like, but he's only slept with one prostitute versus a guy who like slept with, I don't know, like five girls, right?
	But they're not prostitutes.
	You'd probably like, you'd probably put a multiplier on, I mean, I don't know if this is the best example just because like that that implies other things like why would you sleep with a prostitute?
	How about a corn star?
	Let's use that or an OnlyFans model, something like that.
	Yeah.
	Or who's just like, who's a girl that girls don't even like?
	Bonnie Blue.
	But she's like, but she's also an OnlyFans girl.
	So let's just like, who's a girl that women don't like?
	I feel like women just don't necessarily hate women unless they like.
	Who's a girl?
	What's her name?
	Blake Lively.
	She's with Ryan Reynolds.
	I mean, we don't necessarily like her, but like...
	She's kind of...
	Mia Khalifa.
	Okay, how about this?
	She's been a bind.
	Oh, she's just wants to do that.
	Don't do her like that.
	She's raw, but she's raw.
	Leave Amanta Pines out of this.
	I don't know.
	Shit.
	Just go with the OnlyFans or like a corn star.
	Like, no woman is going to enjoy that.
	Yo, chat, who's a grimy woman who's not like a sex worker OF girl?
	Who's not?
	Maybe like a rapper like Sexy Red or something like that.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	But I feel like Sexy Red has a sex appeal.
	Does she?
	Okay, but it's still in the same time.
	The same grimy men.
	Kamala Harris.
	Some people are in the chat.
	Paris Hilton.
	I love her.
	Britney Spears.
	She's married now.
	Britney Spears.
	Oh, yo.
	Crucible Raid.
	Yo, thank you.
	Thank you for that.
	Appreciate it, Andrew.
	Thank you for the raid, man.
	Thank you.
	Welcome, Crucible Crew.
	We're talking about the body count multiplier.
	If a girl's been with a grimy dude, that's a body count multiplier.
	Like, she slept with one guy, but it's some tech Takashi 6'9.
	Not good.
	Not good.
	Welcome.
	Welcome, guys, to the chat.
	Appreciate it.
	Appreciate it.
	Okay.
	Wait, where were we?
	Moving on.
	Oh, we got more chats.
	I could agree with Sexy Red, though.
	Like, what man would actually like, wouldn't that be like a 10 multiplier?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	I'm sorry.
	I don't listen to rap.
	Who the fuck is that guy?
	I don't listen to rap.
	Okay, how about Nikki Minaj?
	You have to know who Nikki Minaj is.
	Nikki Minaj.
	I feel like that's a good idea.
	I mean, I wouldn't.
	They could all have sexy show.
	Like, any type of trashy woman can be really attractive to a lot of men still, but that would still be like a body count multiplier or whatever.
	Like he said, that would make it kind of more icky, I guess, to think about it.
	Sorry, go ahead.
	Oh, no.
	I was just saying, like, if a guy has been with a few girls and I look at them and they're like well put together and they look really nice and I just know that they're like they hold themselves to a standard that almost makes him like a little bit more attractive because I know that he could pull that.
	But like if you found out that he.
	Oh.
	Sorry, go ahead.
	But if you found out that he slept with like Cardi B, Nicki Minaj, Sexy Red, you'd be a little bit disappointed, yes?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	What if he just had a redemption arc?
	I don't care.
	Nasty.
	She'd still be like you.
	Oh, it is.
	Yeah.
	Redemption arc from what, like, he went through a really bad breakup or something?
	Or he got cheated on?
	What's like, what's his definition?
	Yeah.
	In college, he was stupid.
	Oh, well, that's still gross to me.
	Like, I would still choose to reject that person because, like, what are you saying?
	Like, they were promiscuous in college or something?
	Yeah, like, under.
	Yeah, I just wouldn't like that.
	I'm sure you could say the same about women, though, no?
	Yeah.
	Like, if we reverse that question.
	Well, Warren said earlier that he didn't have a problem with a girl going through like a college phase.
	He's like, everybody kind of does both sides of sorts.
	I'm just a bit more, I believe in redemption arcs, a bit more flawed individuals.
	I don't.
	But I don't want to put the wrong redemption arc is great, but I can still think it's nasty and not want to date him for that reason.
	Because your personality.
	But that's good for him.
	Like, I'm sure he can find someone who will be fine with that.
	Like, a lot of women would not care if her guy slept with Sexy Red or Cardi B or something.
	So.
	We've got some more chats come through.
	We'll let those we have reap what you sow.
	Thank you, man.
	Appreciate it.
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	Men and women are different.
	$69 each year.
	Women react to a 30-year-old virgin male the same way a man reacts to a 25-year-old woman with 30 bodies.
	Women want a wanted man, men want virtuous women.
	Facts is speaking to yourself to see.
	We got throat cancer.
	Warren looks like a from death notes.
	Happy birthday, W. Warren.
	Thank you.
	I appreciate it.
	Oh, man.
	We got he's sloshed right now.
	Yeah, because he just had a backhanded comment and then said something nice.
	I don't know what L from Death Note is that Death Note.
	No, I know.
	Oh, who's L?
	He's like the black hair.
	Is he the main guy, the protagonist?
	I don't know.
	Got Pasty George here with another one.
	Hasty George donated $70.
	Women who do not want to reveal their body count are worried about being shamed, which is a normal human response.
	My body count is four, and on the attractiveness scale of one to ten, I am a four.
	Makes sense.
	Are there like reservations in Canada for the Native Americans up there?
	Or they call it First Nation people, right?
	I wonder if it goes down on like reservations.
	Like, are you talking about the other people?
	Like, are there nightclubs on the reservations?
	Like, could I go?
	Am I allowed to?
	Yeah, you can go on other.
	Yeah, you can go onto a reservation as like a normal, like.
	Can I kick it?
	I want to kick it with some Native Americans.
	Yeah, you could do that.
	Like, can you, if there's any Native Americans watching, can you guys party with you guys?
	Well, so back in Nebraska, again, we're going to smoke.
	But they build like casinos and stuff on reservation land so they can make money.
	And so like any normal everyday human can go on to the go into the casino and it's still on reservation land.
	And then, yeah, you can locate with your Caucasians if you want to.
	Okay.
	Any Native Americans, hit me up.
	We're going to party at the casinos.
	Vector donated $70.
	Chair one, your ex could just stick to women named Liana.
	He can just rededicate his tattoo every time.
	I hope that the pool of Liana's is big.
	Wish him luck.
	That's what we're doing.
	Thank you, man.
	Could I have you guys just scoot into the table and maybe just scoot that way just a tad?
	All right, perfect.
	Unfortunately, I don't think Liana's the most popular name.
	Maybe it would have been better if my name was like Sarah.
	Liana.
	Makeup is not a good idea.
	Liana.
	Young Chloe Kardashian.
	Really?
	Thank you.
	Yeah, I appreciate that.
	But before or after her.
	Felicity, you kind of look like young young Brian.
	I've got some in female version?
	I need to think of a roast for that one.
	I got a hurry the other day.
	That one was weird.
	Wrong for Chris.
	Kristen?
	My real name is Crystal.
	Oh, Crystal.
	Wrong for high-body count men to prefer to date low body count or virgin women.
	Casey, you also circled that one for the Will he be able to get back in?
	He went in the bathroom.
	Oh, sorry.
	He'll be fine.
	Don't worry.
	No, he's good.
	He's fine.
	Don't even trip.
	God damn.
	He left.
	Okay.
	Why do you think it's wrong for high-body count men to prefer to date low-body count virgin women?
	For you, for you?
	I look at this bit of a spiritual aspect.
	I think a virgin woman is worth a lot.
	And yeah, I think.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	And man who already has so many bodies and is just looking for somebody who is very young and is a virgin.
	I think there's some type of energy exchange going on that is kind of more evil.
	What?
	What?
	Sounds weird, but I believe that.
	It's evil?
	Did you say evil?
	Or what did you say?
	If he's constantly looking for only virgin girls and not planning on staying with her and having a relationship.
	Well, I mean, let's be charitable here with the example.
	Okay.
	He's interested in pursuing a long-term relationship with her.
	And it's fine.
	Okay.
	That's fine.
	So can you repeat the question?
	So yeah, the statement is wrong for high body count men to prefer to date low body count slash virgin women to which you agreed to the statement.
	So because I read that comment, I forgot who said it, but how like women kind of want more experienced men.
	And then they said just as how like men would like women with low body count or virgin, I would just say I retract my answer.
	So thank you here.
	Wait, what?
	Because I see the point where it's like, yeah, like men kind of, or women contemplate saying like, yeah, like it's okay for men to have like a higher body count because they are like experienced.
	But then like we shame the men for wanting younger women or who are virgins.
	So yeah.
	Okay.
	Take it back.
	You said that the statement is women are the primary victims of war, not men, to which you agree.
	Why is that?
	Did it say primary victim?
	Yeah, women are the primary victims of war, not men.
	You agree with that statement?
	When it says primary, no.
	Then I read it right.
	Oh, okay.
	So women are not the primary victims of war.
	They are victims, but not who are the primary victims?
	The men who die.
	All right, well, that's it for the questionnaire.
	We will let some more chats come through, guys.
	If you have a message, I want to assume that.
	Oh, my goodness.
	Six foot three fucking legend.
	Does the dumpy clap when you walk?
	He's referring to my.
	On occasion.
	Sometimes I have heard a clap.
	There's been occasional clapping.
	Felicity recorded it once.
	Very rude of her.
	She just.
	Rambling Gambler, thank you.
	Rambling Gambler donated $70.
	I partook in what the Red Light District is known for in Amsterdam 17 years ago just because when in Rome's situation, does that rule me out automatically?
	Note it's regulated and strict rules.
	Well, I can't leave that to the women.
	So, okay, Pasty George here.
	Or no, sorry, it's Rambling Gambler.
	My bad.
	Oh, my God, almost slandered our good Canadian friend, Pasty George.
	There's Ramblin' Gambler.
	It was the, I'm a little tipsy, you know.
	Would you date a guy who in his past slept with prostitutes?
	In Amsterdam in the red light.
	In the red light district.
	That's high traffic.
	Was it one or was it multiple?
	That's high traffic pussy.
	Was it multiple or was it one, though?
	You know.
	There's some some.
	Yeah, it tells a lot about his personality.
	But yeah, it depends on who he is right now in the moment.
	Yeah, I agree.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Show of hands.
	Would you date a guy who has slept with a prostitute?
	Show of hands.
	Maybe, maybe.
	I would say that I would say no.
	No.
	Felicity's.
	Yes.
	It depends.
	You would?
	What does it depend on?
	Maybe.
	It would depend.
	He would have to have a lot of other redeeming qualities.
	Like, I don't even like a man who travels.
	Like, if he's even been to Amsterdam, I probably wouldn't even mind him.
	Like, I like a man who stays home and he doesn't even know what the red light district is.
	Like, he doesn't even know about all that lifestyle.
	That's my type.
	She wants a man.
	Do you wear the pants in your relationship?
	No, absolutely not.
	Oh, okay.
	All right, if you just.
	I just don't like a man who's into that lifestyle.
	That doesn't mean I'm like dominating him.
	It just means he doesn't like that lifestyle and he never has.
	That's what I prefer.
	What about you, Felicity?
	What would It depends on how long it's been, who he is, how many times, whatever.
	But, like, I would say no as just like a simple answer.
	Rock and roll.
	Okay, we got Pasty George here.
	Pasty George donated $70.
	Yes, there are reservations in Canada.
	However, while most are welcoming and like Caucasian people, some do not.
	No scalping.
	My reserve is one of the many that welcomes Caucasian people.
	No scalping LOL.
	That's where you want to go.
	Is that a thing?
	Are they still scalping people?
	That's like some Wild West shit.
	Yo, pasty.
	By the way, was Canada part of the Wild West?
	Sort of?
	Like Vancouver or some shit?
	I don't know.
	Anyways, whatever.
	Or is that like based on the Dakota Territory?
	Warren, happy birthday.
	But on behalf of the whole chat, can you speak into the damn mic for fuck's sake?
	Tail adrift, did you get rid of your car skunk smell yet?
	My advice, try closing your legs.
	What's that?
	Oh, wow.
	Oh, you're going to drink it?
	Oh, I'm good.
	You want it?
	Here, you want me to pour in yours?
	Sure.
	Oh, shit.
	I'm just going to the hotel.
	Shit.
	There you go.
	Warren's going to be.
	Are you ubering?
	I've been up for this many hours.
	Warren's going hard, boys.
	He's good guy, Warren.
	All right, East Coast time.
	It sucks.
	It's late.
	Oh, I thought you meant right now.
	I was like, what?
	No, it's only 1050 here.
	We have hot cheese soup.
	Potches soup donated $69.
	DID my dears.
	Deceive me, DID Brixon.
	Just admit he has the clap.
	Chair one has that Twingardium labor yosa.
	Oh.
	Oh, bro.
	What?
	No, is this.
	The, the, the.
	It was asking, does the dumpy clap when you walk?
	So no, I don't have the clap.
	I have the video.
	No, I get Wingard.
	Yeah, I get it.
	I need to pull it up because chair one's not even here, though.
	No, I get it.
	She's going to have to listen to it.
	We'll pull that back up.
	Okay.
	Oh, we're going to do the bow video.
	We're going to get that pulled up in just a moment, but I'm going to wait until everybody's here for that.
	Any final thoughts from any of the panelists?
	Like any topics you guys want to hit on?
	We're probably going to wind down pretty soon, you know, do a few more things to get through.
	But Alina, what you got for me?
	Oh, wait, what was the question?
	God damn, bro, stop looking at your topics.
	Alina's just looking at herself in the monitor the whole time.
	She's like, God damn.
	I look good in this blue dress or whatever the fuck.
	I'd like Warren to bring up a topic that we can all discuss.
	Yeah, can we?
	Yeah, let's have Warren.
	We can need Warren to, you know, whatever you want.
	Toxic Masculinity, you wanted to talk on that?
	Or did we already kind of hit that?
	We hit that.
	Whoa.
	Pause.
	Wait, what?
	Let's see.
	Toxic masculinity.
	You wanted to touch on that?
	You want to talk about trans stuff?
	We can talk.
	You want to talk about that?
	Trans stuff.
	Sure.
	J.K. Rowling.
	Would anybody here date a guy who reads Harry Potter?
	Yeah.
	Okay, I don't know.
	That was a dumb question.
	Anybody think J.K. Rowling is transphobic?
	I don't know what she said that I've heard it, but I don't know what she said.
	Like, I don't know the evidence.
	Okay.
	To support that claim.
	I'm not aware of the situation.
	How about we just do an open, honest question round?
	Yeah.
	I will strive to answer questions honestly if anyone wants to ask me.
	How about you ask us questions?
	Okay.
	I think that's better.
	Go ahead, Alina.
	So, if a girl is a virgin, right?
	Would you not like that?
	Would you be like, oh, no, I wish you had more experience?
	I wouldn't be opposed to that at all.
	I would say that would be very admirable.
	But when you said, like, you prefer a woman to know what she's doing, what do you really mean by that?
	Someone who has an adventurous spirit.
	I'm speaking very frankly here, which I probably shouldn't be doing on the internet about something like this.
	I think everyone wants to, in their love life, have fun.
	I think play is essential to a healthy relationship.
	Someone who can embody that spirit of play and adventure.
	I would encourage you to be open to broadening horizons with travel.
	Like, if your man wants to be like, let's go to Amsterdam.
	We don't have to go to the red light.
	I would love that.
	Yeah.
	That would be great.
	If that's something that he wanted to do with me, I would really, really enjoy that because I'm also like, I'm a very adventurous person.
	And I also, like, there's a difference between me and my man where he's more like consistent and stable, like, not stable like mentally, but he likes more stability in his life.
	And I like more, like, to do more spontaneous things a lot of the time.
	So it's just about finding that balance.
	But when it comes to like bedroom stuff, like you, if you love somebody, you can figure out what you like together.
	And that doesn't require like experience.
	You know, I think that's true.
	It's valid.
	I think spontaneity is a good way of articulating that.
	I agree with you.
	Good question.
	Anybody else?
	Warren, what do you got for us?
	You got to have something.
	What was your goal for coming here?
	I was asked.
	Why'd you come?
	I'm just open to experiences, open-minded.
	I'd actually never seen the podcast before.
	Obviously, when I was asked to do it, I did a little bit of deep dive, and I love a good debate.
	I'm like, I have opinions on things, as does everyone else.
	And I like to actually be open-minded and hear other things that change my mind on different outtakes as well.
	Cool.
	Outline changed anything.
	I would say so.
	I think, yeah, I just think that everyone's entitled to their own opinion.
	And it was interesting to hear about, I mean, it didn't necessarily change my mind, but it's interesting to hear how much a man would prefer a woman to not necessarily have career goals and would rather just have the goals of being a mother, which I think is great.
	But I think, yeah, I don't know.
	I always thought that maybe a man would have prefer a woman with career goals as well, some ambitions other than just being a mother, doing maybe both.
	Or, yeah, I don't know.
	It's been great to hear everyone's opinions.
	I would encourage everybody to keep, you're very fortunate if you do find a man who can afford that lifestyle.
	Many people act like it's expected, and it is a privilege.
	I was, yeah, I was fully raised to have my own career and my own money and to never ever rely on a man to take care of me to just be a mother.
	So that's why I'm very career-driven.
	I always have been very happy with where I'm at in my career.
	Instead, you rely on your employer.
	No, I mean, I have goals of taking this into my own business eventually as well.
	Careers start somewhere and they hope to grow.
	I have goals outside, like in my career, I still think that there's higher places I can go.
	But ultimately, you're reliant then on an economic system to support you in one way or the other.
	I just want to make my own money and be successful in my own way, and I don't want to have to rely on a man to do that because if things went south in a relationship, I don't want to feel like I'm high and dry.
	Okay, but what if things went wrong in your career?
	What if things are wrong?
	I can find another thing.
	Wrong in the economy.
	There was a recession.
	You know?
	I can still be a motherfucker.
	But this idea that it's like, oh my God, these that women who are in these relationships where they're being fully provided for by a guy who's a high earner, that there's like this sort of existential, sorry, not fucking junk here.
	That there's this like sort of vague risk on the horizon is just, I don't know.
	I don't say I look at it as a risk, but I just personally don't feel like I'm not the type to jump into a relationship and hope that I'll be financially taken care of.
	I would rather just know that I got myself in case anything happens.
	Like, I'm not banking on the downfall long term.
	I just, I don't know.
	I feel, yeah, that's just me.
	I just feel comfortable in.
	Well, to be fair, though, every single one of you here said you'd pick the perfect man over the perfect career.
	So I personally love my career, so all I'm really looking for now is a great relationship.
	But I, yeah.
	Wait, just to be clear, though, I think the conversation earlier when I asked, you're dating a guy who's a really high earner, he wants to get married to you, and he says, I want you to not work anymore.
	You said, yes, you would stop working.
	Is that correct?
	For the first five years, if it meant as, like, if he doesn't want me, if he just doesn't want me to work in general because he wants me to provide for him, I don't think I, I think I'm against that.
	But if he wants me to stop working to provide for our children, then that's a different story because I do want to be a mom and I do want to be able to be like to have that experience as well.
	So I totally understand the staying home, being the mother, and I would love to be like the soccer mom, the dance mom, and like do all those experiences with the kids.
	Absolutely.
	And it'd be fantastic if a man could support me.
	But I do want the opportunity to potentially go back to something that I'm passionate about down the road.
	Okay.
	Alina, did you have another question?
	No, I was just going to add on what Leanna was saying.
	I think the reason, part of the reason why men don't find it as attractive when a woman has ambitious career goals is because when women reach a successful point in their career, they usually think about how can they secure something for themselves?
	Like how can they build security for themselves and how can they not rely on a man in the future?
	But when men reach a successful point in their career, they think about how can I provide for someone else instead of focusing it on themselves.
	So, and I was raised the same way as you.
	Like, I was raised to focus on like myself and securing a stability for myself as well.
	But I think the reason why men don't really find that as attractive as women do is because women's intentions are usually different when with their career ambitions than the men.
	That's fair.
	All right, we have two more chats here.
	Well, this is, I'm going to replay it because it was directed at you, kind of.
	Maybe I didn't mean to do that.
	DID my ears to Steve Me DID Brixton just admit he has the clap.
	Chair one has that wingardium labor.
	Okay.
	It's crazy.
	I don't know.
	We have Pasty George here.
	Thank you.
	Hot cheese soup.
	Thank you for that message.
	Appreciate it.
	Hot cheese soup.
	And then Pasty George, thank you, thank you.
	Pasty George donated $70.
	No, Canada wasn't like the Wild West in the past.
	Treaties were used more to ensure the safety of settlers and trade.
	However, the federal government didn't honor most of those treaties.
	Pasty George, I want you, as a First Nations Cree, bestow upon me a give me a name.
	Like, am I, what am I?
	Whitefoot?
	I don't know.
	Or I don't know.
	Give me like a my Native American name, you know, First Nations name.
	Beaver Face.
	I was about to say something about this.
	Beaver face.
	Yeah.
	I don't know.
	Give me like large butt.
	Large butt.
	I don't know.
	Something.
	I don't know.
	Are you from France or something?
	Yeah.
	Your name's got you got to have a French name.
	It's got to be like Jean-Baptiste or something.
	You know what I mean?
	Aren't you from Russia?
	Shouldn't you be like Svetlana or something?
	I have a Russian name.
	Alina?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Are you from Russia?
	Yeah.
	You speak Russian?
	Yes.
	Let's hear it.
	I speak very well in Russian.
	I grew up in Russia.
	I lived there for a long time and moved to America for five years.
	Oh my God!
	Who...
	Who the hell?
	Yes.
	Why would you even just say that?
	We're going to do, guys, $69 TTS if you want to get one in.
	We're going to play the bow video.
	So this is a video I took of my ex-girlfriend.
	I want to get the panel's reaction to this.
	So, guys, this is my expectation.
	I was talking a bit earlier about what I kind of like in a relationship.
	So this is a video I took of my now ex-girlfriend, but she was my girlfriend at the time.
	Unfortunately, she is no longer with us.
	I'm sorry.
	Yeah.
	Moment of silence.
	She's still alive.
	Oh, my God.
	She doesn't live in California.
	Okay.
	Go ahead, play that shit.
	Watch the bow.
	Boom.
	Do you see?
	Oh, my goodness.
	The bow, huge.
	And then I got home.
	It was a late, you know, long day at the studio.
	You know, took my shirt off.
	And she's got dinner for me ready to go.
	Ready to go.
	Gets me a beer, opens it for me, cracks it open, cracks open a cold one.
	Stirs my noodles.
	She didn't do it fast enough, though, so I had to scold her.
	And she had those tomatoes.
	And get ready to play one more time, just the bow portion.
	All right.
	This is the most important.
	Boom.
	You see the deep, the depth of the bow.
	This is my expectation.
	First, by first, you know, second date, I'll allow it.
	I want the girl.
	I think a girl should bow to me when she's greeting me.
	Would you bow for the perfect man coming around the table?
	Well, I wouldn't bow for somebody who's not going to go down on me, so I guess I could start there.
	Speaking of.
	Tribe underscore chieftains million dollars.
	Your name shall be Beaver Muncher.
	Beaver Muncher.
	Okay, well, I'd say, clearly.
	Yeah.
	But thank you very much.
	Okay, so you, but I'm not talking about me.
	I'm saying for the perfect guy.
	Would you do it?
	Would you bow?
	I don't think so.
	I don't think I have to bow.
	Wouldn't do it.
	I mean, if he absolutely, I don't know.
	He absolutely needs me to.
	Condition of you being with him is you got to do it.
	I don't think I could personally do that with a straight face.
	I just feel like I'd be laughing the whole time.
	Okay.
	I don't know.
	But would you do it?
	Would you do it though?
	I would do it in laughter.
	Sorry.
	I would do it like in laughter.
	I need like a sign everywhere that just says speaking to the mic.
	What about you?
	I wouldn't even know what the answer to this.
	The perfect guy.
	I have the perfect guy.
	Okay, so if he asked you to bow.
	If you asked me to bow, yeah.
	Every day when he walks in the door, I need to bow to him.
	Yeah.
	Once a day.
	If it gives him so much joy, I would do it.
	If it makes him happy, it makes him happy.
	Yes, then I would.
	Give it a shot when you go back to Amsterdam.
	Would you bow for the perfect man?
	Yeah, if he's making his six figures, if he's making $500,000 a year, she'll bow for him.
	What about you?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, Helena.
	Hell yeah, I love that.
	She loves it.
	Have you done the bow for your boyfriend?
	We've never discussed it, but if he likes that, I would love that.
	Didn't I tell you?
	Last time on the show, I told you to do it.
	I told you to try.
	No?
	Oh.
	Maybe.
	I have yet to try, but I will do it too.
	She'll give the shot.
	What about you?
	No question.
	Absolutely.
	Absolutely.
	Based.
	Absolutely.
	Based.
	Based.
	Okay.
	You?
	Yeah.
	Am I weird for saying that I think this is funny?
	Am I missing the whole bow thing?
	Wait, you would bow?
	You would bow, or would you ask?
	I'm kidding.
	I don't know.
	Would you be cool?
	Would you want a woman to do that or no?
	Not really.
	Not really.
	Okay.
	I mean, I've even said.
	Do you?
	Well, I've even said for the perfect woman, even I would bow.
	Oh.
	I would do the into the money.
	Yeah, I mean, if I, if it really meant, I think that's what they were saying.
	It's like, if it really meant something, but it doesn't really mean much to me.
	But like the non-perfect woman.
	Oh, sorry, go ahead.
	That's what I meant by play.
	Okay.
	People.
	I do want a girl to bow, though.
	Like, I do, and I've received the bow.
	Would you bow to a woman?
	I just answered that.
	Oh, yeah.
	That would be.
	Yeah, sure.
	Why not?
	It's like a totally benign.
	Yeah.
	So you're both going to be bowing to each other like you're about to, yeah, that's fine.
	Sure.
	But like, like a girl who I'm just kind of like settling for, you know, I'm just like, ah, fuck.
	All right.
	Nah, I'm not going to bow for her.
	A man shouldn't really be doing that shit, anyways.
	That's what I'm saying.
	Like, you're both going to, she's your perfect girl.
	That means she's bowing for you.
	Yeah.
	So you're also going to be bowing to her like you're about to like duel each other or something.
	Swear up.
	Well, the conditional here is in order to get the perfect girl, you just have to do that.
	Yeah, that's super easy.
	Why not?
	Good talk.
	But also, like, I'm kind of being, in my mind, I think the perfect woman is like a trillionaire.
	So I'm like doing this kind of thing where it's like, of course.
	She'd be wearing the pants, though.
	But she wouldn't.
	No, no, she wouldn't.
	Because I think the woman can be the breadwinner and you can still be like in that leadership position.
	But that's the thing you got to navigate.
	How do you reconcile that, Brian?
	What do you mean?
	How do you reconcile one person being the breadwinner yet not being able to be the leader of the household?
	Well, I'm saying that the things that make a man a leader, it doesn't, like, I'm fine and I advocate for men being the providers.
	But what I'm saying is a woman could be the breadwinner and the man, like logically, it makes sense to me.
	He could still be the leader.
	Couldn't she argue, though?
	I pay the bills.
	I'm the one that supports you.
	She could.
	I'm the leader.
	She could make that argument, but she could also recognize that I think leadership, because for example, you could also acknowledge that there are women who are stay-at-home moms and they have provider husbands and they fucking run those relationships.
	So like the opposite, if the opposite is true, where you have women who are just like who are dating men who are the breadwinners and they're staying at home, but they fucking run those relationships, I think the reverse could clearly be the case too.
	And it would be even, I think it's even more sense to me even if it's the case that there are women who are stay-at-home mothers, but their husband's the breadwinner, but the women are wearing the pants.
	It would make even more sense if the woman was the breadwinner and the guy was, let's say he's working, but he's not the breadwinner, that he can still wear the pants in the relationship.
	How would she be running the relationship as a stay-at-home person?
	You don't think that there's like ultra, like, what's the word?
	I didn't say that.
	I'm just asking you.
	Oh, how?
	I'm just wondering how does that dynamic work if she's the stay-at-home dominating the relationship?
	It would be her dominant and domineering personality.
	Okay, so it's based on personality then?
	Yeah, I suppose, yeah.
	Okay.
	I'm just trying to understand.
	Well, you would agree with me that there are men who are providers that aren't leaders?
	I would say.
	What do you mean, men that don't provide but are leaders?
	No, you would agree with me that there are men who are capable of providing and they would be breadwinners in their specific relationships, but they lack the requisite masculine traits or leadership traits to make them a leader in said relationship.
	What kind of am I missing something?
	What kind of traits?
	Like you think just because a guy makes a lot of money that that means he's not having that domineering I wouldn't even use the term domineering necessarily.
	I don't think a leader need be domineering necessarily.
	They could be, but they don't have to be.
	Do you want to look me in the middle?
	No, I think I'm lost now.
	I mean, you were asking a question.
	No, I mean, that second question that you threw at me confused me.
	But overall, your point is that, you know, a man doesn't, a woman could be the breadwinner, or the person being the breadwinner doesn't have to have, doesn't have to be the leader.
	It depends on the qualities of the person.
	Here's what I'm saying.
	Here's what I'm saying.
	It's logically possible that I could date a woman who's a billionaire, ergo.
	She outearns me, but she would still look to me to lead the relationship.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	That makes sense.
	Yeah.
	It's like I would take certain levels of initiative.
	I would have final decision-making power within the relationship.
	No, it's just, it's just interesting to me because, I mean, the way I was raised, I'm just saying like the way I was raised, the breadwinner who is my dad, the breadwinner is the one that makes all the final decisions, the final say.
	That's just asking you from, you know, differing from my personal experience.
	Are your parents still together?
	Yes.
	Does your mom work at all or is she just a stay-at-home mom when my siblings were younger, when I was younger?
	Oh, but all the kids are out of the house now.
	Right, but she even worked when we were in school when I was still younger, you know, after we got past that.
	But do you think that there would be an inversion if, say, by chance, your mother became the primary breadwinner, say, I don't know, whatever, whatever the circumstances are that would enable her to become the breadwinner.
	Do you think that would then instantly create an inversion of the roles within the relationship?
	No, because my dad has that personality, that leadership personality.
	But I also think he wouldn't let my mother be the sole provider.
	I think it's in his personality.
	It's just in him.
	Like he just, he needs to be the provider in all those ways, including financially speaking.
	Okay.
	But you would agree, like maybe, I don't know if this is the best example, but like let's say your mom bought a lottery ticket and she like hit the jackpot for $30 million.
	You would agree and then they both like retire or whatever.
	You would agree that this would not create an inversion of the roles in the relationship, right?
	No, sure.
	I can agree with you on that.
	Right.
	So in this case, I think you can make the similar claim that if the woman, she got some super cool promotion in her job and then she then became the breadwinner, this would not create an inversion in the existing relationship dynamics.
	Sure.
	Yeah.
	So in this case, at least as it relates to the scenario I presented, I could deal with a woman who earns more than me and I can still be the leader in the relationship.
	Sure.
	I mean, just by personal preference, I think for me, it's like, you know, it's not ideal for my, you know, for my husband to be calling the shots and also, you know, not being the one to provide.
	Like, just for me, that's unideal.
	But I just wanted to pick your brain and just.
	But I mean, for like my personal preference.
	You would rather stay home.
	I would rather stay at home.
	I'd rather be the mother.
	I'd rather be the one taking care of the household while he brings home the bread.
	Brings home the bread.
	Yeah, no, that's totally fine.
	I mean, I was presenting this really kind of wild hypothetical scenario where my perfect woman, if I like I have to do a bow and I get the perfect woman, she would be like a trillionaire.
	So you would only go down on a woman if she was a trillionaire.
	Yes.
	Those are the circumstances.
	I mean, I would, to be fair, I think that there's a lower threshold whereby a woman could be perfect that wouldn't even necessarily have to do with, she could make zero dollars and still be a perfect woman.
	But that would be like when I think of perfect, I would, maybe it should be the bare minimum threshold of what perfect is because then you can get into like finances and others.
	I don't know.
	So what's the perfect woman?
	Perfect woman, excluding the like finance, like she's just a bit trillionaire and by extension, I then become the richest man in the world.
	Well, yeah, you said not financially.
	Okay, so like realistically perfect?
	Realistically perfect.
	Okay, like insanely submissive.
	Like a complete, near complete, I'll just say complete lack of quarreling, no nagging, just like terms of physical appearance, like whatever my perfect vision is of like peak beauty, both like face, body, whatever, giant labia.
	Can't forget that.
	I'm trying to think personality-wise.
	I mean, doesn't go to bars, clubs.
	I got a list.
	I have a list.
	Yeah, let's hear the list.
	Okay, here's the list.
	Okay, it's kind of exhaustive, but I'll do it quick.
	No plastic surgery, no minimal or no makeup.
	Let's see, where is it?
	It's hard.
	You want physical transparency?
	It's a fucking list.
	Oh, no, zero, no tattoos, no tattoos, virgin.
	Uh, what are some?
	Good hand and arm endurance.
	Oh, yeah.
	But not like in a sexual way.
	Like, I like a girl who can like scratch my back and like massage me for like hours on end.
	So if she, like, have you ever dealt with a girl, girl, Warren?
	I'm going to meet my brother is why I'm chuckling.
	Oh, okay.
	Yeah, you do.
	But like, have you ever dealt with a girl and like, I don't know if you like back scratches or back massage?
	She'll go for five minutes and get tired.
	I'm like, that's some rookie shit.
	You got to step your game up, girl.
	You got to be, I need.
	Could it be one or the other?
	Does it have to be both?
	Because like, what if a girl could just literally sit there and just scratch her back for like a half an hour?
	Is that good enough?
	Half an hour?
	Are you kidding?
	Have you thought about hiring like a slave?
	I don't know.
	Have you thought of like a slave?
	Or no, like, I mean, not in that sense, but like, have you thought about hiring somebody who literally just does whatever you want?
	No, it's got to be from your girl.
	Like, your girl has to do that.
	She's got to be the one to scratch her back, you know, rub your shoulders, but she's got to have the endurance and the arms and hands.
	She can't, oh, make carpal tunnel.
	No.
	Fucking keep going.
	It's been three minutes.
	Oh, am I up tired?
	Oh, my goodness.
	Okay, what else?
	Could be worse.
	Like, you know, if they say the jaw thing.
	Whatever.
	Okay, anyways, whatever.
	Okay, I like labia guy.
	I already said that.
	You know what?
	I need the Guinness World Record book, Labia.
	Like, I don't just need an Audi.
	I need like the biggest labia in human history, like in living, of course.
	It's crazy how much you speak about labias for not wanting to put your face near one.
	I just think that's kind of crazy to me.
	That doesn't.
	You just like to look at it from like.
	The thing is, he would put his face near the perfect woman who would obviously have the biggest labia.
	Yeah.
	And a trillion dollars.
	I have a question, a kind of introspective question.
	Have you ever thought about if you deserve a woman like that?
	Oh.
	I deserve.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	What do you bring to the table?
	Well, I'm just describing the perfect woman here.
	But have you ever thought about it?
	I think there's room.
	I can improve in ways.
	So, like, I got, I could level up.
	Yeah.
	So do I deserve, do I deserve the perfect woman?
	She's probably out of my league.
	I'm not going to lie.
	Like, the perfect woman would be like a 10 out of 10.
	Like, my perfect body type, my perfect face, all those other characteristics I listed.
	I didn't even get to the personality stuff.
	Okay, yeah.
	Super submissive.
	I have a moderate preference for introverted women.
	I mean, I'll date an extroverted chick, but it's like be quiet for a bit.
	Quiet, calm, soft-spoken.
	A little bit shy.
	It's good.
	A little bit shy.
	And also, like with shy, introverted people, I think they, once they get comfortable around you, their personality actually tends to blossom quite a bit.
	Modesty, very important.
	I don't like big egos or like super vanity diva type shit.
	Brings me peace, doesn't quarrel, doesn't party, doesn't drink, doesn't do drugs, doesn't go to bars or clubs, low body count, or virgin.
	Well, perfect woman, virgin.
	I guess this would be implied if she's a virgin, maybe.
	Undivided romantic and sexual attention.
	So basically, and well, this is what I want, right?
	So I think it's implied with the perfect woman, but it is the case that when you're dating, like people are dating other people.
	And I don't want to deal with a girl who's like even dating other dudes.
	So I want immediately her undivided romantic attention.
	I don't want her to be dating other men, even from the jump.
	So initially, you want like a very monogamous relationship right off the bat.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	From the jump.
	I hate to say that, but I feel like that's not like a whole lot to ask.
	But I feel like in modern day, it kind of was up until the last dating app.
	Yeah, I agree.
	20 years, you know, I don't know.
	Social media was like Instagram 2010, I guess.
	Dating apps 2012.
	Yeah, I would agree.
	Well, it's been over a decade with that.
	But definitely, I feel like dating apps and like social media in general have definitely been the downfall of a lot of our relationships.
	Where is Felicity?
	Felicity, are you doing cocaine in the bathroom?
	Rude.
	Just kidding.
	She doesn't do that.
	She's just on her phone texting her ex-boyfriend.
	Let me know if I have this straight.
	You basically want a woman who will shut up, put out, bow down to, and serve you.
	That would be your perfect woman.
	Hold on.
	Somebody who will shut up, put out, bow down to, and serve you.
	I think saying shut up is uncharitable framing, but.
	Well, I mean, you said, you mentioned a couple different times about how, I mean, you don't want an opinionated woman.
	You want a submissive woman.
	You don't want somebody too extroverted.
	You don't want somebody who.
	I think introverted women can be opinionated, but.
	Yeah.
	Would you be okay with an opinionated woman?
	In what way?
	Like, when you say opinionated, is she going to challenge me on everything?
	You don't want to be challenged on anything ever.
	No, not really.
	I mean, I suppose if I'm genuinely wrong on something, sure.
	But like, I don't want a woman who just nags me and like is a fault finder.
	No, I don't think that.
	And a lot of women have a tendency to be fault finders and nag you over like stupid shit.
	So it's like.
	I think nagging.
	I'll tell you this.
	I'd rather a woman err more on the side of like letting shit slide than being like, what's the term?
	There's like overbearing and like constantly like fault finding.
	Well, I understand that, but I think fault finding and nagging is very different from being opinionated or challenging.
	Like I think it could be fun.
	I mean, you're obviously somebody who likes to debate topics.
	Would you like to?
	I don't want to debate with my girlfriend.
	Oh, you would never want to debate a topic with, you would never want to have opposing views and ever want to like debate that.
	I feel like that's.
	I wouldn't want, no, I wouldn't want to like debate or argue with my girlfriend.
	Even if it's like a fun topic.
	It's like already his job.
	So it's like bringing up.
	Oh, yeah, that's fair.
	Okay, that makes sense.
	Like, you want to get away with that.
	I mean, I would hope that there's like 99% alignment on most things with the person I like in terms of values and stuff.
	I seek to have shared values and alignment there.
	Okay.
	So like I'm not going to like, I wouldn't date like a super feminist liberal chick who's like believed like is all cool with like immigration, like unfettered immigration.
	And I'm going to have like a debate with her about like ice and shit.
	Oh my God, it's so, oh my God, what they're doing is so wrong.
	It's like, okay, I'm not going to date you.
	But what if you debate things that are not like political?
	Like what?
	Like pineapple on pizza?
	Sure.
	What's your favorite posture?
	She can be, she can be opinion.
	Like of things.
	It's fun things.
	If it's something that's not of importance, then okay, fine.
	She's like, she, I don't know.
	If she was like, I don't know.
	I'm trying to think of an example.
	She didn't like chocolate.
	I'm like, oh, you're like chocolate.
	How do you not like chocolate?
	You know, it'd be like that.
	But it's, I mean, I don't know.
	I don't want to like, I wouldn't date somebody who has like totally divergent values or political views.
	I feel like, what is the word?
	Sorry, go on.
	I lost the word.
	No.
	Okay.
	I would say it sounds like realistically at the end of the day, you're not going to argue with someone about your like core values and like everything that you believe in.
	There's just no sense because it's never going to make a no relationship is going to work if you don't agree on certain things.
	I would want her to defer, like not constantly question or challenge me on certain things.
	If she has, like I'm open to hearing her input, but if I'm just like, this is my decision, this is how it's going to be.
	And if there's like, because women will say, oh yeah, I'm down to be a submissive woman.
	I'm down to like be submissive.
	But they're not.
	And then they're going to be like, oh, but I'm just having a conversation, but they're going to literally badger you until you, as the man, change your mind on the thing.
	And it's like, even if she disagrees, then like, I think you got to defer to the man.
	You just don't want any pushback, basically.
	I mean, I don't want any pushback.
	You shouldn't have to explain yourself.
	Like, realistically, if you're saying this is what we're going to do and everything like that, you shouldn't have to explain yourself.
	A submissive woman should just, okay, if that's what you want to do, that's fine.
	That's great.
	Whatever you tell me we need to do, then that's what we're going to do.
	And that's being a submissive woman.
	Oftentimes I would preemptively offer some sort of explanation or something on this.
	Yeah, those would be my next question.
	Like, can she say that?
	But like, I don't want like this idea, women will say, oh, yeah, I'm like really cooperative and submissive.
	And then they will like perpetually badger you under the guise of, oh, but it's just a conversation, but secretly they're trying to have you overturn your position on the decision as it relates to the relationship or whatever it is.
	So it's like being submissive would entail, okay, just to be clear, this is not being submissive.
	If I tell her, go jump off a bridge, she should rightfully tell me no.
	Like, you can disregard my leadership if I told you to jump off a bridge.
	But if it's something like pack your bags, we're moving to LA tomorrow.
	Just whatever.
	Even then, I mean, it's no, but still, it's submissive.
	Like, if you wouldn't ask questions, you wouldn't do anything.
	It would just be, okay, we're moving to LA.
	I'm going to start packing my bags.
	Yeah, it could be something like that.
	Or it could just be, I'm trying to think of an example.
	I'm like, there's, oh, you're taking, if I was inclined to get married, you're taking my last name.
	I don't want to have a conversation about it.
	Don't care if you dislike my last name.
	This is how it is.
	Yeah.
	That's being submissive.
	100%.
	That's being submissive.
	That's what I'm saying.
	And if she wanted to have it, because I've asked this question on the show, like, then they're, they'll, actually, going around the table, would you take your husband's last name?
	Yeah, I'd prefer to.
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	Yes.
	Yes.
	Absolutely.
	Yes.
	Oh, okay.
	Well, goddamn.
	I feel like that's a gen, like a I think it's kind of strange.
	Like, if you're going to commit to the man, why not commit to taking the name, too?
	Like, what's the, what's the, the holdup?
	What's the problem?
	Well, how does that be a really cool name?
	Well, and how do people feel about like hyphenated names then?
	I have a hyphenated name and I'd really want to die because of it.
	And like the worst.
	No, it's just the worst thing.
	People didn't take their husbands' last names until this most recently.
	I didn't know until I started doing weddings, and there's a lot of, apparently.
	I used to think it was super normal.
	I used to, when I was a kid, I used to think like a lot of women didn't take their husband's last name.
	But then I realized that most people don't do that.
	But in some places, it is popular to, what's the word?
	Hyphenate.
	To hyphenate your name.
	I think I would just say this.
	It's like, I think a lot of women, even progressive, feminist, liberal women, still look to men, at least for those feminist, liberal, progressive women, perhaps not to the same degree, but they still hold men to some pretty gendered, traditional expectations.
	And I would just say this, like, as women, you need to make this decision, right?
	And I mean, some of you get away with actually not even adhering to this.
	If you want a man to be a leader, you have to be prepared to be a follower.
	Like, there's no way around that.
	If you want a man who's a leader, you got to be a follower.
	I can't lead somebody who isn't willing to follow.
	And again, if I'm, again, I don't have an expectation that you're just, if I tell you to jump off a building, you should say no.
	If I tell you to prostitute yourself to make money, you should say no.
	Like, if, but if I, I don't know, I'm trying to think.
	Why am I blanking on this?
	You're just not like blindly like following someone.
	There's a reason why you're following this because you trust them.
	Yes.
	You trust that they have your best interest in mind.
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	If you have somebody's best interest in mind, you're not going to tell them to go jump off a cliff.
	Right.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Exactly.
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	The reason why Brian doesn't want to put his face into a varnish, let alone lick it, is because of the high threat of herpes, which is a valid concern because stats show that it is higher in Western women.
	I did see some stats that women have a little more STDs.
	They're sleeping with dirty men.
	Probably.
	Well, I think what it is, is like you have like hyper, super attractive men, and like a majority, a lot of the women are sleeping with like that group of men.
	And so I think that would indicate why there's like higher incidence of.
	I mean, I want to be charitable here too.
	I think due to anatomical reasons, I think women are more susceptible to catching STDs.
	Do you also think that women are more inclined to go get tested than men are?
	Yeah, sure.
	I think that would be it too.
	We have, oh my, holy shit.
	Zentience.
	I haven't seen this guy.
	When the this is a fucking 20.
	If it's the same Zentience, this is a fucking 2023 OG.
	Oh.
	This is amazing.
	These bobbleheads on the panel are so solipsistic that they can't see that Brian's list is exactly what modern women demand.
	All while they're asking, do you qualify?
	How absolutely effing vain he's talking about you women and your standards based based in red pills?
	Zentience, dude.
	Guys, hold on.
	This guy's a fucking OG.
	Let me put some respect.
	He's a brave and a decent man.
	He's a pioneer.
	On Zentience's name.
	This guy's an OG.
	Is that the confirm or deny?
	Is that the Zentiens?
	I don't know.
	It might be somebody different.
	I don't know.
	It looks, it could be different.
	Let's see here if there's anything else.
	Oh, the bow video.
	Oh, how about this?
	First date.
	I think the woman should fold my laundry.
	First date?
	Date?
	First date.
	At the same time.
	She lost her mind right there.
	She's like, what the fuck?
	I ain't doing that.
	First date.
	Hey, let's go to dinner.
	Come on.
	How about my laundry after?
	First time she comes over to the house.
	She's got fold my laundry.
	So you're looking for a mom.
	Why is that a mom?
	Because you're, did you grow up with your own lawyer?
	Do you know how to fold your own laundry?
	That's why quality.
	Wait, so hold on.
	Not on the first date.
	Do you want to provide her?
	Yes.
	Why are you looking for a dad?
	Why are you looking for a guy to protect you?
	Why are you looking for a dad?
	I can make my own money.
	But would she need to do that before she did it?
	I don't think that's a first date thing.
	I've definitely, like the men that I've lived with, I've folded their laundry.
	Have you had a one-night stand?
	Yes, very far in between, but I would never do his laundry, not a one-night stand.
	So just to be clear, though, so here's the entailment here.
	You'll let a guy put his penis inside you.
	Like the most intimate thing you can pretty much do, right?
	Although, I guess nowadays, women, for like people, it's like more intimate to just hold hands and is to like fuck or whatever, whatever.
	You'll let him do that, but you won't fold his laundry.
	I'm not going to go on a date with you and then go home and fold your laundry.
	So romantic, though.
	But you also changed your CN point.
	You said, okay, like the first time we actually hang out at your house.
	So you could have been on multiple dates before you.
	You go to his house.
	So let's say three dates in.
	Yeah.
	If the first time I'm going to his house, he's asking me to fold his laundry, I would just be like, that's a little bit of a bad thing.
	No, he doesn't here.
	Watch.
	He doesn't ask.
	This is what the guy is.
	Oh, I just see a basket of laundry and I'm like, hold on, pause Netflix.
	I'm going to put you guys on some game.
	Let me put the men watching on some game.
	You don't ask them.
	Okay, here's what you do.
	Oh, they just walk in the room.
	They're like, where's your laundry?
	Let me fold it.
	Well, let me give you the answer.
	So you take her hand.
	You're like, babe, I'm going to give you a house tour.
	You show her the house, sell my house.
	And then you land in the laundry room.
	Of course.
	You don't even need to say.
	And then, look, first off, just to be clear, I'm a nice guy.
	I'm a gentleman.
	It's in the dryer.
	It's already dry.
	She just has to fold the shit for the first date.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Let me walk it back.
	She has to fold it.
	I just walk in.
	I look at her in the eyes.
	This is the basket of laundry.
	I look at her.
	I look at the basket of laundry.
	Look at her.
	Look at the basket of laundry.
	Look at her.
	Look at the basket of laundry.
	And then I walk out of the laundry room.
	I follow you.
	Thank you so much, Chris.
	And then it's just like they just like, it's instinct for women.
	It's just an instinct.
	They just, oh, you know, like how animals just know instincts.
	Yeah.
	It's just natural environment.
	I'm sorry, that was a bad joke.
	It's a bad joke.
	I have a watch.
	It's a joke.
	It's a joke.
	But yes, she should.
	I'm actually serious though.
	She should do my laundry.
	I was joking about the natural environment thing.
	To be consistent, I will agree with you that, like, if I want a man to pay for me, to you know, provide for me, to pay for me on the first date on dates, whatever.
	I, to be consistent, I will agree with you that then the only reasonable thing to ask in return is to for the woman to also contribute in the way that she does, showing off the qualities of a wife.
	However, where do you do you, or just in general, like just as a guy, where do we draw the line at providing these qualities, these traits, these wife traits for a man without it coming off as like he doesn't have to commit, right?
	Because here's the fear that I have: I will be so good to him, or I would be so good to my man, let's say, hypothetical man, and he just thinks, you know, he has me, he has me locked in, but he won't commit to me, right?
	How do I not give too much of myself away before getting, you know, getting a ring being committed?
	Sure.
	I mean, I suppose it is true that you could find yourself in a situation where you're sort of being taken advantage of, right?
	Like, you're doing all these things.
	Why would he commit?
	But my understanding is you said you're Orthodox Christian.
	Okay.
	So I assume you're waiting until marriage to have sex.
	Okay.
	I mean, that would be the thing that you give to him once you're married.
	But everything else, you know.
	But everything else, I mean, I'm assuming you want to also date a man who's Orthodox Christian.
	It's not a deal breaker if he isn't.
	I mean, I didn't, I didn't grow up relatively involved, like very involved in the church.
	I stopped going to the church when I was a child, but I continued to celebrate, you know, just traditional Christian holidays, you know, Easter, Orthodox Easter.
	Okay.
	Well, I was going to say, if you, if you're dating a guy who has an alignment in values as to your religion, I think it's unlikely you're going to run into a situation where he's just, but then, I mean, the guy who isn't religious, but you're not giving him sex.
	It's an issue.
	He's not like, I don't think if the guy wants sex and he is, if he's being monogamous, Unless he's like asexual or something, I don't think he's going to string you along in a relationship just to get like chores out of you.
	It's possible.
	Warren, what do you think?
	Have you ever used a woman for chores?
	My girl's watching this, and she was probably cracking up about the laundry because she genuinely loves it to the point where it annoys me.
	W. Like, stop.
	Women or the girlfriend.
	Slash fiancé.
	Fiancé.
	It's going to be, honestly, it's a conundrum because there are very few.
	And if you can find one, it's very admirable.
	If you can find one?
	Yeah, let me take that champagne away from dead.
	Move that shit away.
	Will be willing to forego that if he's not religious as well.
	Well, no, religion is important.
	I'm just saying he doesn't have to be in the branch, the Orthodox branch, but he has to be Christian.
	Like my ideal, I won't settle for any other religion.
	That does not interest me.
	Right.
	So he has to be Christian.
	He has to be Christian.
	Yeah.
	Orthodox, not necessarily.
	Foregoing sex until marriage, right?
	Yeah.
	That's going to be.
	Yeah.
	So it's going to be challenging finding a guy like that.
	I think, unfortunately, today I would try it out as long as it is playing out with it's demonstrating that it has value.
	You act it out.
	And if acting it out is effective, continue on.
	Because you have to test it somehow.
	Acting it out as an laundry, doing the doing the house.
	Yeah, you have to try it out to see if this is going to work.
	Yeah.
	In which, I mean, I don't know how the cohabitation is that going to be a problem?
	Like, can you be, can you try living together without crossing that line?
	I think I don't necessarily agree with, you know, moving in or living together before getting married.
	I think, I mean, I think, you know, being engaged, like, that's a different story.
	If you're engaged and you move in together, you know, that's great.
	I just, I have, I just never really always agreed with moving in together because I saw it as like, okay, you're just giving him the entire marriage or wife treatment before he gives you the final commitment.
	But you're not sleeping though.
	No.
	So then that changes the tides then.
	Yeah, that's a demonstration on his end.
	It's going to, that's a rare man that will do that.
	And if he's going to act that out, that means he's acting out something he believes.
	Okay.
	That would be something to go on.
	Yeah.
	That makes sense.
	Thank you.
	Laundry, first time at a guy's house, would you do it?
	I would expect commitment and then I would do commitment.
	Yes.
	Really quick, something that crossed my mind earlier, and I think maybe you kind of made the light go off for me in my head on this, is yeah, because you're talking about like if the expectation is the guy pays for the first date.
	So like when it comes to the bow, when it comes to like doing the laundry, right?
	So, and by the way, on the questionnaire, which I put away, I'm pretty sure every single one of you to statement five, men should pay on first dates, every single one of you circled, yes, men should pay on first dates.
	Okay, so what's the entailment of that, though?
	What does that actually look like?
	So what you're then asking when you say men should, and it's interesting to me, really quick on the should thing.
	Women have no problem saying men should do XYZ.
	But the moment men say men, or excuse me, the moment men say women should do XYZ, you guys lose your minds.
	Women should cook.
	Women should clean.
	Women should not have careers.
	Women should, well, women should stay home with kids.
	Women should do laundry on the first date.
	Women should bow.
	It's very interesting.
	It's like, well, it's misogynistic to say women should do X, it's, but women put all kinds of shoulds on men.
	But bringing it back to paying for the first date.
	So the entailment of a man paying for the first date, let's say he's a bit younger, right?
	We have three women at the panel, 19, 19, 20.
	But it's plausible some of you could be dating a guy who's maybe not a super high income earner.
	So let's say when you're younger, you're dating a guy.
	Let's say he works a construction job.
	By the way, $20 TTS Roastion get him in.
	Let's say you're dating a guy who's a construction worker and he works a really physically demanding job and he makes $20 an hour.
	And there's construction workers who make much less than that.
	If you say men should pay for first dates, and let's say to be, let's say a date costs $100.
	So your portion of that is $50, whatever.
	You're saying that the guy has to labor two and a half hours to pay for your date.
	Literally labor.
	Let's say he digs ditches with a shovel.
	That seems like a bigger ask than just doing a bow or folding laundry.
	Laundry takes like 15 minutes.
	But for a guy to date you, he has to work two, three hours, maybe you just to pay for your like the female's portion.
	Just not even including his portion because he could not go on that date and just make rice and chicken for five bucks or whatever.
	But I'll just keep it charitable and just say just to pay for your portion, it's $50 to pay for your portion of the date.
	He's got to work two or three hours in order to do that if he's making like 20 bucks an hour.
	Let's say he's working, again, say he's working a physically demanding job.
	He's a laborer or some shit.
	That's kind of an ask.
	That's an ask.
	It is.
	Yeah.
	100%.
	I would argue, like, to be consistent and yeah, go, go, get in the laundry room, ladies.
	Come on.
	Get in the laundry room.
	Get in the laundry room.
	The least you can do.
	Pick up that basket, open that dryer.
	A lot of these men work really fucking hard.
	Let's go.
	These men work hard to take you on dates.
	I think also, I mean, for me personally, I don't expect to be spent, like have $50, $100 spent on me on the first date, or even early on in dating.
	I think, you know, I'm very simple.
	Just like, let's go do something fun.
	Let's go do something cheap.
	Let's go do something fun.
	It doesn't have to be some like lavish, lavish, luxurious dinner at like Chef Ramsey's restaurant or something.
	Like it doesn't even mean anything.
	It doesn't even, yeah, it doesn't need to be anything extravagant right off the bat.
	Well, I mean, I don't think it needs to be $100 isn't like crazy to spend.
	Like if you go to like a mid-tier restaurant, you each get a drink, you get an appetizer, you each have a main course, you tip, you're, I mean, you could easily spend a hundred bucks on that.
	So I'm not like you could go to a really nice restaurant, spend a couple hundred, or even into the thousands.
	I'm not saying that.
	But look, I mean, even if you take her out to, you know, you each, you spend 20 on hers, 20 on yours, that's still an hour of work if he's making $20 an hour.
	And I'm just saying if that's the, if men should pay for first dates, you're just saying men should go and physically labor for an hour and then pay for my shit.
	If that's the amount of income you're bringing in, it's going to be really hard to live off just his wages as well.
	Of course.
	Well, that's why I have like a set, you know, a set ideal standard that he would make.
	In terms of like in the context of like part of a family, raising a family practically, right?
	And while I was just using an example there, like probably, you know, a girl who's in college, it's reasonable.
	She's going to date a guy who's making like a lot of these guys are making less than $20 an hour, but he's making $20 an hour.
	Even women in college, some of them are going to have an expectation that the guy pay for the dinner or whatever it is.
	Maybe not all of them, but we have some chats coming through.
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	Pasty George donated $70.
	Wait a minute.
	If women expect men to initiate the first date, to pick her up, to open the door, to pay for the date, to drive her home, etc., why can't a woman fold his clean laundry?
	Is it that bad?
	I don't expect a man to pick me up for the first date, actually.
	Do you want a guy to observe the sidewalk rule?
	Where he stands on the side for the story closer to the street.
	I think it's nice.
	I think it's just a gentlemanly thing to do.
	I don't think that takes effort.
	It's kind of like, oh, he should die.
	No, I mean, I've caught myself standing on the side.
	Like, girls' expectation is like, he should be willing to die for me.
	That is so, yeah, dramatic, I guess.
	But I mean, okay, the idea here with the sidewalk rule is like, if it's more dangerous to walk closer to the street, like say there's an oncoming car, he can like push you out of the way, take the car.
	I'm dead, crippled, whatever.
	The least you could do is fold the guy's laundry.
	If I got it, walk on the side of the street.
	I said, I will walk closer to the street.
	Fold the laundry.
	On the first date, like, what's so wrong with doing the men's laundry?
	Like, if you like him, it's something that you would enjoy.
	Like, he's not asking you to like change the roof on his house or something.
	I have nothing against doing a man's laundry.
	I've done it a million times before.
	I've lived with a boyfriend.
	I've always like I'm always open to doing that.
	But on the first date, I don't even know this guy.
	This is my first day meeting you.
	But if you're going on a date with him, that means you're like, I need to come back home.
	I don't even want to go back to the guy's house on the first date.
	How long do you like to wait before having sex for the first time with a guy?
	First date, second date?
	A few dates.
	I don't sleep with a guy on a first date.
	Let's be honest.
	No, I'm being honest with you.
	I don't sleep with a man on a first date.
	She said she's been celibate for the last year.
	Yeah, I actually do hold that importance.
	So I'm like, I'm not going to come home, sleep with you, and then do your laundry.
	I don't know.
	Say whatever you want, but that's just me.
	I don't know.
	I just feel like it would just be a red flag for a man to take me on a date, be like, all right, now come home and do my laundry.
	I'm looking you in your eyes.
	I'm being so dangerous.
	So, how many dates, or like, how committed would you have to be for you to like decide to do a man's laundry?
	I think if we've been dating for a little bit, I don't want to put a time period on it, but we've been dating.
	We're clearly into each other.
	You're not sleeping with other women, and I'm coming back to your house.
	I'll do your damn laundry.
	Yeah, I think it's like the conversation if we're exclusive or not, or if we're like heading to that direction of being in a relationship, is when I start kind of performing those duties or wanting to do those things for my partner.
	Just because I feel like there are men that also just play a game.
	And why am I going to be, like you said, like doing, putting myself more out there where I could possibly be getting taken advantage of?
	But even if he is playing a game and he has bad intentions with you, at the end of the day, you're going to be that one girl who he's going to be like, damn, that's the one girl who folded my laundry.
	Like, maybe I did fumble that.
	You know what I mean?
	Like, he's going to be, he's not going to be thinking about that, about any other girl that didn't do that.
	He's, even if he is a player or whatever, he's still going to be thinking about you.
	Like, oh, she did something that no other girl wanted to do for me.
	So maybe, like, even years later down the line when he matures, he's going to be like, damn, like, there was that one girl.
	You know what I mean?
	At that point, I feel like he would be forgotten and I don't wouldn't.
	Yeah, I'd be thinking about him.
	I'd be like, I don't really care if this is the man and I was like, forever ago.
	Yeah.
	There's a lot of times where I go on a first date with a man and I'm absolutely not interested.
	A first date is for getting to know somebody.
	It's not for me to be like, I am a good wife.
	Let me float your laundry.
	Let me do your dishes.
	It's like, we're going to go sit down, have a conversation, and I'm going to ask you questions about yourself.
	You're going to ask me questions about me.
	And then we're going to go about our day and see if we want to see each other again.
	I don't think it's about trying to prove ourselves or trying to.
	So Brian modified the question earlier.
	So it's like the first time you go over to this guy's house.
	So how soon after, or like how many dates does it take for you to go over to someone's house?
	I think I'd have to be exclusively seeing the guy and him, me.
	Like I don't want him to like have me overdo his laundry and then he's going to go hit up another girl to come over and do it.
	So that's what I'm getting at.
	So like after you guys have like, after you guys have like exclusively said you're going to be together and this is the first time you're going over to his house, you would be more inclined to do his laundry the first time you go over to his house after you've like established your relationship.
	Yeah, okay.
	But I'm not just going to go over like a first time I've ever met somebody and I'm going to their house kind of a thing.
	I got one thing I want to add to this.
	You know how I said I was putting the men on some game?
	I want to put the women on some game too.
	And this is full circle.
	This is full circle.
	Okay.
	So in the same way I said, you know, put men on the game.
	I'm going to put you guys on some game.
	The guy, okay, sorry, I'm fucking drunk still from the champagne.
	We had two champagne pumps.
	Okay.
	Give me a break.
	Here's the game.
	As the woman, if you want, because you guys were talking about commitment as I stepped away there for a bit, like how do you get the commitment from the guy?
	I'm telling you, do something beyond what other women are doing.
	So all women can offer up sex, right?
	And if your goal as the girl, if you actually are really interested in the guy, whether he's really attractive or he meets all your standards, whatever, and I'm hoping your goal is to actually deal with men who you do see long-term potential with, you got to put yourself, and especially if you're dealing with like a really attractive dude, you have to do things that other women aren't willing to do.
	So the game for you guys is you just walk into the laundry room and you fold his laundry.
	He doesn't bring you in there.
	He doesn't tell you to do it.
	No, it's not even, well, you could even frame it like this.
	Do you have any laundry that I can do for you?
	I know that that blows your feminist brains into a million pieces, but I guarantee you, if you've struggled to land the dude and you're dealing with a guy and you think maybe he's got serious intentions, you've got serious intentions.
	I'm telling you, that's going to put you apart.
	And you might hate to do it.
	You might feel like, well, the feminist mind virus is telling you, nope, I'm not doing that for no man.
	I'm not doing it for a guy.
	But I'm telling you, if you do do it, mind you, if you actually, like, let me ask you realistically, for those of you who are kind of like questioning whether this, you're like, I ain't doing that shit.
	Is it, is it actually that much effort?
	Like, answer me that.
	Like, is actually doing that thing?
	I know you might feel like, oh, I would feel bad doing it, but is the actual act of it, is it a lot of work?
	No, it's not a lot of work.
	But I will say though, if like I said earlier, if I was already in the conversations of like, okay, where is this going?
	Is this going to be like serious?
	Then that would naturally just come out for me because I'd want to cater to my man and take care of him.
	But other than that, if there's no conversation, then there's not an urge for me to want to do more, if that makes sense.
	Okay, so you're saying you're like holding that back, reserving that back until you get commitment or a relationship.
	But I'm telling you, what if it is the case?
	Like, have you ever dealt with a guy?
	Have you been in a situation shore where you wanted commitment and he didn't give it?
	At first, yeah.
	Okay.
	What did you do to get him to commit?
	Wait, you're telling me you've never dealt with a dude, like every single guy you've dealt with, you ended up getting a relationship?
	Oh, no.
	Like it.
	Okay.
	So you've gotten every single guy?
	Huh?
	You've gotten every, and when I say got, you got a monogamous long-term relationship out of every single dude you've dealt with.
	No.
	Was there ever a guy who you wanted that with who you didn't get that from him?
	Big Ogle in the chat.
	Thank you for the gifted.
	50 memberships.
	Fucking Ogle.
	What a fucking legend.
	Ogle, do you know who this is?
	This is fucking Warren Smith.
	Get this.
	He's already, he's passing out from the alcohol.
	Get this man more drunk if you want.
	It's his birthday.
	It's his birthday.
	The big 38.
	You want to do a Crystal Ogle?
	You know, we got some regular champagne bottles too, Ogle.
	But I know you're a fucking top G. Ogle's a top G. He's a fucking legend.
	So, you know, if you want to do a little Crystal.
	But we also have regular champagne too.
	Thank you, Ogle.
	Dude, fucking Ogle.
	Good to see you, man.
	It's been a minute.
	I haven't seen you in a minute.
	Where you been, man?
	It's probably last show.
	I'm forgetting things.
	Anyways, what were we talking about?
	Oh, okay.
	What I was going to say is, if it got you the commitment, if doing that thing was the thing that got you the commitment, why not do it, I guess?
	I don't know.
	Shit.
	Is it the fact that it's laundry?
	Could it be like some other like...
	Oh, it could be like, I want to cook for you.
	I want to cook for you.
	I want to do, is there something I can help you with to make your life easier?
	Like my significant other, he's a lawn.
	He's like a lawn dad, okay?
	He put in irrigation, all this great stuff last year, but he's really big on pulling weeds.
	If I went out and pulled the weeds, it'd be the end of it.
	He'd love it.
	It'd be like everything for him.
	Just overweeding.
	Just something simple.
	Yeah, in terms of the effort of actually doing some of these activities.
	Again, I realize you don't like it, but it's really not that much effort to do some of these simple things.
	Like, oh, can I just help you like organize your room?
	Can I help you clean up your room a bit?
	Can I vacuum?
	Whatever it is.
	Can it be cleaning?
	Can it be cooking?
	Can it be doing his laundry?
	I'm telling you, you might not like to hear it.
	Every fiber of your body might fight against it because the feminist mind virus has taken over.
	But like, you could just try it.
	Like, give it a shot.
	Give it a shot.
	And you might be surprised how the guy reacts.
	And you might get that call back that you otherwise wouldn't have gotten.
	You might get that relationship.
	You might get that ring that you wouldn't have otherwise gotten.
	You got to set yourself apart from the other women.
	I think it's some really good game if you're coming over to a guy's house to bring him a meal.
	Like pick a meal that you would like to make the most that's really good and just bring it to him.
	Be like, I made it.
	Food's good.
	Bring him some fruit.
	Bring him fruit.
	Bring him some good food.
	But look, it's because if you're dealing with a guy who's really attractive, right?
	He's got his pick of options.
	He's got options.
	And if your goal is to get him, Oh shit, fucking Ogle giga chat here.
	Hold on.
	Can you get me uh all right?
	We're gonna get uh our boy Warren here and then we're gonna get all no access to as I'm traveling, but happy birthday to your guests.
	Yo, thank you, man.
	And kudos to a solid panel tonight.
	A okay hand emoji, a okay hand emoji, thank you.
	Thank you all.
	Yo, Ogle, you're fucking legend, dude.
	Sorry, I accidentally triggered it twice.
	My bad.
	Yo, Ogle, thank you so much, man.
	Appreciate it.
	Appreciate the champagne pop here towards the end of the show.
	Guys, reminder, $20 TTS.
	$20 TTS.
	Ogle sends a follow-up here.
	Oh, what is it?
	Oh, I have to wait a little bit to let this.
	The others are going to come through in just a moment, guys.
	We have a message coming in.
	I actually think that's a great mindset for women just to think about what can you give instead of taking $19.
	To the middle girl's comment about bringing food, the old saying is the fastest way to a man's heart is via his stomach.
	I mean, it's the gesture, too, you know?
	It's the gesture.
	And yeah, it's just, it'll set you apart because I think a lot of guys don't have that experience.
	And it's like, you might say, well, I'll just suck his dick real good or I'll give him pussy.
	But it's like, if he's an attractive dude, like, he's getting that already.
	He's getting that.
	How can you set yourself apart?
	And I'm just saying.
	I've had like multiple women DM me saying, Brian, I didn't want to do that shit, but I just tried it just as an experiment.
	Do it as an experiment.
	But they all tell me, fucking worked great.
	Worked great.
	It just shows that you like him.
	Like, there's nothing wrong with showing someone that you like them.
	Yeah, it's like the woman.
	And doing like acts of service or whatever you like to do to show them that you care.
	Yeah.
	Sorry, guys.
	I'm fucking taking off this foil or whatever.
	All right.
	Let me let some other chats come through while I get this popped.
	We have big Ogle, the gifted 50.
	Oh, my goodness.
	We have Amorphus here.
	Sorry for the delay on these guys.
	I am the one and only Zentiens.
	I leave for a minute and find that nothing's changed with these 304s.
	Only in the West do women fight the patriarchy only to submit to an overlord who doesn't care.
	Ooh.
	By the way, sorry for the delay on that, Amorphus.
	We're kind of in.
	I got a little distracted from my.
	I'm the one.
	I have to manually trigger these now because reasons, but he's the one and only Zentiens.
	Now I'm getting confused.
	I don't know who's real, who's not, what the deal is.
	I'm going to wait to pop it until our good friend Warren's back here because this is for Warren's Warren's birthday.
	So I'll pop it once he's back.
	We have, oh, this one's funny.
	I like this one.
	Indigenous Names Committee donated $20.69.
	Yo, thank you, man.
	Be it known, it has been decreed that henceforth, Brixon's indigenous name shall be walks with burritos.
	An exception has been granted since we know Brixen is unable to fast from eating burritos.
	That's crazy.
	That's crazy.
	Damn.
	Walks with burritos?
	How about like okay, sure, I'll take it.
	I'll take it.
	Based Thor donated $20.
	My sprinkler goes like this.
	Woo-hoo!
	That was a good pop.
	Our base Thor comes back like...
	Panel does it, squirt or cream.
	What's that?
	Is this what you do with the Candace Owens, like Charlie Kirk and all?
	With the champagne pops?
	I don't know if we got any champagne pops.
	Is this your cup?
	Well, it is now.
	I'm just trying to picture that.
	Anybody want you guys want to top off of?
	Okay, thank you.
	One more.
	I won't make Warren drink alone.
	Can you just pass it down?
	All right.
	That's for Warren.
	I need to fill it up a little more, buddy.
	Hold on one sec.
	Let me let some other chats come through while I'm getting this done.
	We have Chaw.
	Thank you, Cha.
	Appreciate it, man.
	Chaw XD donated $20.
	I seldom send this kind of message, but I think you have a good heart, chair six.
	If you commit to ousting the malignant feminist mind virus that will try to take hold, you'll make a great wife one day.
	Thank you so much.
	That means a lot.
	Thank you, Cha.
	Appreciate it.
	Cheers to Ogle.
	Cheers.
	You're a fucking legend.
	Thank you so much for the support, man.
	All right, we have hot cheese soup.
	Guys, $20 TTS.
	Get it in.
	Roast session.
	$20.
	Warren looks like he's about to go get the boy a chicken leg and some waffle fries for free.
	Scoot into the table a bit, guys.
	Scoot into the table.
	Your response to hot cheese soup?
	Yeah, it's 3 a.m.
	Yeah, we're wrapping up.
	We'll wrap this up soon.
	Oh, it is.
	We're going to let some roast come through.
	Then they'll get this all pretty much wrapped up.
	We have Riot.
	Thank you, Riot.
	Appreciate it, man.
	Riot donated $20.
	Chair 7, you look bored.
	You might need another popsicle.
	Yeah, you can finish off the stream with a popsicle.
	Felicity, go for it.
	We have Chaw coming in again.
	Chore XD donated $20.
	Thank you, man.
	The entire topic of chivalric behavior in modernity is wild.
	None of the women who expect this behavior have any idea that the code was intended only for virtuous virgin Christian women.
	Not you.
	It's like, yeah, that's a good point.
	It's a good point.
	We've got Pasty George here.
	Pasty George donated $20.
	My second girlfriend came over to my place on the first date.
	She did not fold my laundry, but she did do my dishes, a single plate, spoon, and fork.
	We were together for three years.
	I was risked LOL.
	She did your dishes.
	That's a good one.
	Oh, it's only a single.
	Okay, that's not, I mean, that's not big ass, you know, but we have, oh no.
	Brixon's Dumpy Claps donated $20.
	Alina's hot.
	I agree.
	You gotta pay a sim tax, dude.
	There's a $69 sim tax.
	You gotta send one in.
	Does it go to me?
	Nope.
	It goes to me.
	It goes to me.
	Excuse me.
	Rude.
	Okay, we have Sayso.
	Thank you, man.
	Say so NZ donated $20.
	Stopped my partner cooking or doing laundry for me.
	Women are usually bad cooks.
	I always cook better myself.
	Laundry is used as a bargaining tool.
	Guys should be 100% self-sufficient aside from kids.
	Yeah, you should be able to do this shit on your own.
	I'm just saying.
	She could, you know, make your life a little easier.
	This is Zentience here.
	Hey, thank you, man.
	Zentience donated $30.
	Imorphous is an old email I use for roasting.
	I'm still Zentience.
	There you go.
	He's got two.
	Isn't he saying?
	Yo, Zentience.
	This guy, again, he's a fucking OG.
	We had a couple OGs.
	We had Grid 1, we had Zentience, and we had Mike Davis in the chat tonight.
	So we had some OGs popping through.
	Really good to see Zentience an OG supporter, OG supporter, Zentience.
	Where have you been, man?
	Where have you been?
	I don't think I've seen it.
	Has it there?
	You've popped in, I think, here and there, maybe.
	But you've been mostly gone.
	So it's really good to see you, man.
	Thank you for the support.
	He's still Zentience.
	He's the.
	I'm still.
	What's that rap song?
	I'm still.
	I'm still.
	There's like a rapper who's like, I'm still the old me or Eminem.
	I don't think it's Eminem.
	Hello, Cool J.
	I know.
	Okay.
	The baby.
	The baby donated $20.
	Brian, why don't you put the girls' Instagrams in the description anymore?
	Why don't I put mostly just because I don't want them to be bothered by haters because some of them get some nasty messages.
	Yeah.
	Okay, Brickson's dumpy.
	Tax paid.
	Worth it.
	Stating facts isn't simply though, Brian Lol.
	If you're going to.
	What is that?
	You watering it.
	Watering it?
	No.
	Just drinking water.
	No, this is just my water cup.
	My water cup.
	Guys, final call.
	$20 TTS.
	Final call.
	$20 TTS.
	Get them in.
	Get him in.
	Get him in.
	Oh, we'll do our final little segment here.
	Pull it back up.
	We do a final segment of the book rapid show every single time.
	If you guys want to remove your makeup.
	Oh, God.
	There you go.
	There you go.
	You guys down to do a makeup removal?
	I'm down.
	Sure.
	Yeah.
	Go ahead.
	Actually, I break out easily, though.
	Oh, I got you the good ones.
	Those are the ones.
	Are you sure?
	And I break out.
	Yeah, those are the good ones.
	I need antibacterial soap.
	Yeah, trust me, that's a good one.
	You're good.
	Your skin's going to be perfect after that.
	Trust me.
	Are you?
	Liana, are you going to do it?
	You're good.
	No makeup.
	I'm going to play makeup with you.
	Yeah, get her makeup.
	That's weird, but sure.
	I'm just, I'm looking out for you guys.
	Anybody?
	Felicity, you're going to do this?
	I don't wear makeup.
	And me too.
	You're a fucking liar.
	You're a fucking liar.
	This is so strange.
	It's the final segment, and then we wrap the show.
	$20 TTS.
	Get it in.
	Get it in.
	Gentlemen.
	Get it in.
	It's good.
	And then when you're done, you're going to hold up the makeup wipes.
	Is there anything else we had to go over?
	We did the bow.
	We pretty much did everything.
	That's pretty much it.
	Gonna be a little shorter show tonight.
	Well, what does Warren have to say?
	I feel like Warren has a whole lot of things he wanted to talk about.
	I want to prolong it.
	No, I'm just saying.
	I think Warren.
	I mean, I'm down to keep going, but I feel like Warren's tired.
	I feel bad for the guy.
	I don't want to drag all down.
	Well, you said earlier.
	Can you talk to me about your thoughts on marriage and the contract of marriage?
	I'm actually very curious about your thoughts on that.
	You can do an abbreviated version if you want to.
	Yeah, the legal significance of it, I think, is more vast than we realize.
	I think that lawyer, what's his name?
	James Sexton.
	Do you want to do it?
	The makeup thing?
	The makeup thing?
	Oh, no, I was just talking to her.
	Oh, sorry.
	No thank you.
	No, I mean, I think we covered the prenup.
	Do you have any questions for me?
	Anybody?
	What are the topics you talk about online?
	Me, I apply kind of critical thinking to a variety of topics, looking at debates.
	I'm more interested in how people think rather than just the information, which is what people think.
	There's a lot of people online that can outreach and out information.
	I have a lot of respect for Destiny.
	I just got to meet him two weeks ago at the National Debate Championship, which is really cool.
	And we were working with high school students, but it's just different styles, different things that interest me.
	I'm more interested in how to think and philosophy.
	And I think everything that we talk about tonight in one way or another comes back to the idea of living in accordance with the fabric of reality, which sounds kind of like what is true, what we're talking about, how beauty works, how attraction works.
	And today we live in a world where many people in these debates, I'm looking at people, one side seems to think that the fabric of reality either doesn't exist or it's malleable.
	So are you familiar with Jordan Peterson?
	Yes.
	I think he caught lightning in a bottle because he was teaching that very idea.
	Like nothing will improve your life more than living in accordance with the laws of what is true.
	If that makes sense.
	I read some of his books.
	Did you?
	Yeah, yeah.
	What did you teach, actually?
	Before that, multimedia, video production, video technology.
	Yeah.
	So it kind of organically flowed into content creation.
	That's how that video ended up.
	Rock and roll.
	Okay, we final call, guys, on the $20 TTS.
	If you guys want to get those in, we're going to get this wrapped up here within about five minutes.
	And then what was I going to say?
	I think that's pretty much it.
	Warren, did you want to go back to the Titanic?
	I think the only, I just wanted to add one final point on that, just on my end, is ultimately my position comes down to it is a rejection of the rejection of male disposability.
	So this idea that men should sacrifice their life, die, I reject that.
	Just categorically, I don't think we should view men as disposable.
	I agree.
	And that would be, that's sort of the foundation and basis for my argumentation against men going down with the Titanic.
	Yeah.
	That's pretty much it.
	We got a couple more coming through.
	Cree Nation.
	Cree Nation donated $20.
	Final call, guys.
	Yo, thank you, man.
	Thank you so much.
	Cree Nation, is this Pasty George here?
	Thank you, man.
	Appreciate it.
	Yeah, it was.
	It was an interesting.
	I don't know.
	Y'all should have argued a bit more or something.
	There was good.
	I was hoping for some opportunity to debate.
	I was hoping for that.
	You want to debate anything?
	I don't know.
	You can probably debate me.
	Yeah, everyone's too negative.
	I feel like we're too opportunistic.
	$20.
	This one says.
	Respect for women who are not insecure about showing their real faces and not their fake masks.
	Thanks, Pasty George.
	W, Pasty George, L Felicity in the chat.
	I do not wear makeup.
	He disliked us all show, but we took our makeup off, so now he has to like us.
	Thank you, Nemo.
	Nemo underscore GDX donated $20.
	Privet, Alina, you're a lovely woman.
	I once dated a Russian girl, and she said they had a saying back home.
	Never let your man leave the house with his stomach empty and his balls full.
	True/slash false.
	I've only heard that in English.
	I'm not gonna lie.
	I agree.
	That's fair.
	Got Ogle here.
	Ogle, thank you, man.
	Bring this panel back.
	$20.
	That's good.
	Bring this panel back again.
	It was actually, I kind of feel like I needed a more chill show tonight.
	It's been like the past few panels have been kind of hectic.
	So it was good to have like a more chill-level panel.
	So it was good.
	And we had some pretty fun moments.
	So we have Jay, Big J. Thank you.
	Jay donated $19.50.
	Brian, remember the good old 5.00 TTS and the news.
	You've come a long way, brother.
	Happy birthday, Warren.
	Have a great night, ladies.
	I saw an old episode, and like, you look like so young, like 15 years old.
	That makes me want to go watch old episodes.
	And the table is like tiny and yellow and all that.
	I saw that too.
	Yeah, old ones.
	Well, there's like the olds.
	It was super chats.
	Like when I first started the show, we read every super chat.
	But I don't think there ever actually was a time, even for roasts, when we ever did $5 TTS, not even $10 like roast TTS.
	TTS has always been, at least sometimes we lower it.
	Like we'll go, I don't know.
	It used to be $50 read, $100 TTS.
	That's the only thing.
	Yeah, I don't know.
	But Jay, really good to see you, man.
	You're an OG as well.
	Good to see you.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	We have Pacey George.
	Thank you.
	Pacity George donated $20.
	I want to thank the panelists for appearing on the podcast, and thanks to Brian and Warren as well.
	This podcast is essential, and I will be on the beach.
	Oh, thank you.
	Thank you, man.
	You're legendary.
	Good night, everyone.
	He had it all good now.
	W, Pacey.
	W, our Canadian friend.
	We're going to eventually annex you, so you'll be part of the part of America, the great 51st state of doing my most terrible Trump impression.
	Thank you, man.
	Brian, if you can host a bunch of debates in one week, you can bring back Tuesday's show.
	Your back or neck pain is not an obstacle.
	It's a cop out.
	We want Tuesday's show back.
	Uh.
	I mean, the thing is, is like what the back pain and neck pain is part of it, but it was also just like there's a lot that goes into behind the scenes to make the shows happen happen.
	And the thing is, it's a lot of stress, not just related to the back or neck pain stuff that I deal with, but if I continue doing the Tuesday show, I can guarantee you 2025 would be the last, like if I could get through 2025, but it would probably, I'd be burnt out.
	And so I was like, okay, I can continue the show just on Sundays, and I can basically continue it indefinitely in perpetuity.
	But two times a week was just a bit too much.
	So I was like, you know what?
	If you guys want to see the show have greater longevity, then I have to go down to once a week.
	It is possible we could go back to twice a week, but for the time being, I think this is the best schedule.
	But I am considering introducing a new format.
	I don't know if you guys would be interested in this.
	We're going to call it Whatever Wednesday.
	Where it's primarily, it's going to be me.
	Maybe I could bring on like a sidekick or like other guests.
	But it's more just like we'll do live reacts to stuff that's going on, mostly dating related, but maybe get into some other topics.
	But yeah, there's like a bunch of stuff that you can react to just on TikTok.
	And I think it'd be cool to explore that.
	And then we could talk about like some men's rights advocacy stuff, which I think would be interesting.
	So whatever Wednesday, that's maybe in the works.
	Okay, we have Snapmore.
	Final call, guys.
	Get him in.
	Get him in.
	I got to get Warren.
	Brixon and Warren.
	Gotta get him back.
	I got him too licred up.
	It seems like the West is too far indoctrinated by Marxism, disguised as feminism/slash education.
	Yeah.
	It's true, Snapmore.
	It's true.
	It's hard to.
	Someone asked me about the marriage thing.
	Is there any reason that I'm missing that the government should be involved?
	No, I actually agree with your standpoint on it.
	I don't understand why the government should be involved.
	I mean, if you're committed to someone and they're committed to you and you guys can have that commitment together, why do you have to have the government involved?
	Beyond taxes, I understand.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Like at the end of the day, the only thing you're getting out of being married legally on paper is insurance, taxes, and that's about it.
	So like realistically, why do we have to be like married on paper?
	You could just not get married too.
	No, no, I agree with that statement.
	Like realistically, if you love your, if you love your partner, like I'm with Warren on this situation, like just have us, like, just have a ceremony and be happy with how things are worked out.
	Like, I don't see why you have to go and sign a bunch of paperwork and go and get a blood test and everything else.
	Like, if you're happy with your person, then why do you have to go through all these hoops?
	Especially, especially in the long run, like realistic, like I said, like insurance and like tax and everything else.
	Like, if you can do it yourself, why worry about it?
	Yeah, James Sexton describes it as an antiquated technology that 100%.
	100%.
	My aunt uncle, I guarantee they've been together for forever and a day.
	And realistically, they have no kids.
	They have no other assets.
	Like they live together.
	Realistically, I feel like at the end of the day, if they didn't have to have like, or they didn't feel the need to have like a marriage certificate, they wouldn't because they're just, they've just been together for forever.
	So why?
	Why have paper to say that you've been together for forever and a day?
	Ryan?
	What?
	What are your thoughts on it?
	You raised your eyebrows.
	On having a legal, like buying marriage with paper and everything.
	I'm not in favor of marriage.
	Okay.
	I'm totally fine with if you want to spend your life with one person and be monogamous and have children.
	I'm not like anti-natalist or anti-monogamy or anti-staying with one person.
	But I guess perhaps to Warren's point, I don't see the actual point of getting the government involved.
	And I suppose if my partner wanted, like, an arbitrary, non-legally binding ceremony, I'd be okay with that.
	But, like, getting the government involved just— I feel like it, like, muddies the water.
	Like why do it if you don't have to?
	Yeah, yeah.
	And then like, I don't know, it's just there's certain financial ramifications in the event of a divorce.
	Yeah.
	So, like.
	But again, you can still sign a contract.
	Like, maybe not necessarily pre-nup, but you can still sign a contract before that and say, this is what we're doing.
	Well, the thing is, like, prenups can only apply.
	You should probably, well, I don't want to say definitively if this is the case, but prenups typically apply to assets that exist prior to marriage.
	I don't think there's certain things you in a prenup that you can do as it relates to community property that's been accrued during the marriage.
	Also, prenups can be challenged.
	So there's that fear, even if you do have a prenup.
	I would say, to be charitable, I think overwhelmingly prenups are enforced, but they can still be challenged.
	That's another complication.
	And it's just like, I don't know.
	I don't know.
	I just don't see the point.
	Do you think marriage is good, like prescriptively, for the society and it's just not good for you?
	Or you just think no man should get married?
	Well, I think people staying together if they have children.
	Like, I think you can stay together with one person absent marriage.
	So I think, like, what's the actual difference between like common law and like actually having a legal bind?
	Like.
	We can still be married.
	It's just why does the government need to stamp?
	I guess it's more difficult to leave.
	Like, it makes it more difficult to leave.
	Well, actually, I think you can actually make a counter argument here to this.
	If you're married, there's actually an incentive to leave for the person who's not the breadwinner all of a sudden.
	You get alimony.
	It's like, we're in a rough patch.
	If I divorce him, I get like X, Y, Z.
	I get alimony.
	I get this.
	I get community property.
	It's actually, it seems like there's an incentive to get divorced in some cases.
	I guess, but that's also a big burden on anyone to be a divorced person.
	It's harder to find the new someone new.
	You have a lot of time financial burdens after being divorced, or you have children.
	It's just, you know, it makes your record like not as clean.
	The benefits don't outweigh the benefits of a divorce might not outweigh the benefits of staying married, in other words.
	So are you for like legalizing your marriage or are you okay with like a civil you're Christian, right?
	I assume you want to.
	I want I want to get married in church.
	I am conservative, conservative.
	So, you know, to an extent I believe, you know, limited government.
	I don't think the government should be sticking their nose in every aspect of our lives.
	However, I will make the exception for marriage.
	I'm not well educated on it.
	Like I, everybody's making great points at this table as to why, like compelling arguments as to why, you know, the government shouldn't be involved in marriage.
	And that's just something I have to look more into.
	I'm not going to pretend to be an expert on that.
	But for now, from what I'm, what I've been raised around, what I'm familiar with with my morals and values currently, it is important to me to have a legalized marriage.
	I guess I'm curious for the rest of the panel.
	Like, how do you feel about legalized marriage or just being like in a long-term partnership where you all have agreed to just being together for the rest of your lives?
	Quote unquote.
	I think if you're not religious, then you shouldn't get married, I guess.
	But I also wish that more people were religious and would get married.
	I think that's fair.
	Well, I mean, the thing is, if you're not religious, I actually don't see the point in.
	I don't know if you can.
	Like, the only pro-religious arguments I hear would be religious arguments for it because the faith demands that you get married.
	Yeah, they have a marriage certificate and everything.
	Yeah, I agree.
	I mean, yeah, there's like, okay, there's certain, I guess, tax benefits.
	I mean, that's just whatever.
	Like I said, like at the end of the day, like realistically, your tax benefits, insurance, everything like that, like, what do you really gain out of that?
	Because you can, I hate to say it, but I work for a small company.
	So like realistically, my insurance benefits are way cheaper for me being a single individual than if I had like a partner.
	I don't think people are like getting married for the there are some people who do.
	Sure, it's possible, but I don't think that's like a major driving force.
	Like that's not going to push somebody over the like, if they're a fence sitter, the tax benefit.
	I guess I'll do it.
	I don't know.
	And also like when it comes to healthcare decisions, you can give somebody an advance.
	You can do like a power of attorney or advanced health care directive.
	Like if I wanted to, I could give Warren, in the event of my incapacitation, Warren, you can make, would you keep me alive?
	Would you, or would you pull the plug?
	I'm not deployed anyways.
	I provide my own health insurance.
	But I'm not even, I'm not even talking about that.
	I'm just talking about like being able to enroll in like health benefits with your partner.
	Like you can get discounted health benefits if you're married to someone.
	Yeah.
	But like to your point though, what you're asking, Alina, is like, well, is it better for society?
	But it's like, if it is basically the same thing to stay with that person your entire life and have children with them and be monogamous, that's kind of like because people think this idea of marriage, it's like, okay, in order to have X, you need to get married.
	So to have kids, what about kids?
	Well, I can have kids.
	Outside of a marriage.
	Outside of marriage.
	I don't need marriage to have kids.
	Well, what about staying with them for, you know, well, I can stay, I can have kids and stay with them for the rest of my life and we can cohabitate.
	I actually have an aunt and uncle who, actually, that's literally what it is.
	They've been together for forever and a day and they aren't married and they have three kids together and all of them have graduated and they're still together.
	And they've never legally had anything in writing.
	Yeah, but I guess ultimately it's just what do I get in marriage that I can't get from a long-term monogamous relationship.
	100% agree.
	I just heard that relationships where two people cohabitate and they're not married are tend to be unsuccessful a lot of the time.
	Like that's an actual statistic.
	But like how's the divorce rate?
	It's okay.
	These people get married.
	They are less successful than those who get married, even with the high divorce rate.
	But why are they unsuccessful?
	Because like I just said, I have an aunt and uncle who've been together for at least over 18 years because all of their kids are out of the house and they've been together for as long as their kids have been alive at least.
	I'm just saying that it's higher for cohabitating non-married people than it is for than the actual divorce rate.
	But the sample pool is completely different as well.
	Because what does cohabitation mean?
	You have a lot of people that are just dating.
	Not married yet.
	Considering cohabitation, it's not the same as consideration.
	Like living together.
	Right.
	It's not the same as considering, well, we're married, but not under the government.
	Wait, what are you saying?
	We're talking about the fact that you can be together with a person for an extended period of time.
	And we're saying like 10, 15 years, we'll say that, for an example.
	But you never legally went to the courthouse and filled out paperwork and filled out a marriage license and signed all the paperwork and everything like that.
	And you can have a successful relationship without doing that.
	Really quick, David sends in the super chat.
	Never fly to United Airlines.
	Got back from Stanley Cup.
	Game two, Canada.
	Tuned in now.
	Never get married if you have money.
	If you meant to be, you will be.
	Oh, that was beautiful.
	That was some poetry there.
	Okay, fine.
	We're going to let these last few chats come in.
	Then we're going to get this wrapped up.
	Correction.
	Jaykin donated $19.
	Oh, we read all the super chats back then.
	Yes, Brian, you're right.
	I meant super chats, not TTS.
	Forgive me, I'm old as dirt.
	Felicity, what's your popsicle count?
	Lol.
	Was for today.
	Damn.
	Putting up some numbers.
	Okay.
	Mr. Baseman.
	Mr. Basteman donated $20.
	Brian, so fucking fat.
	I gotta lose some weights.
	It is what it is.
	The earthquake knocks over my drink, and I'm on the east coast.
	Your weight has become a burden to more than just your chair.
	That's mean.
	Aw.
	Oh my god, where's the first one?
	Where's the crime gear?
	Like, that's terrible.
	Guys, I can't.
	That can't be my goal.
	One more.
	Send in something nice.
	Send one in.
	One nice one.
	Send it in.
	I can't let that be the last one.
	What's that?
	That's a button?
	Oh, Mary's going to send one in.
	Oh, that's so very nice of Mary.
	Thank you very much.
	All right.
	Here, I'm going to do the.
	Okay.
	By the way, nobody here does OF, right?
	No.
	Has anybody here done in the past?
	No.
	Okay, that's another whatever W, no OF.
	I thought Warren came here.
	He was like, I really hope he saw Felicity.
	He's like, he saw these.
	Should I?
	Hey, Felicity, no?
	You better comment.
	So, I don't need to do any call to actions to propose that.
	Yeah.
	I want to say, GG.
	Well played.
	Well played to the panel.
	Last call.
	Hit the like button, please.
	On your way out.
	Thank you guys for tuning in tonight.
	You could have been anywhere in the world, but you're here with me on Warren's birthday.
	Happy birthday, man.
	Happy birthday.
	Thank you.
	Thank you to everyone who so generously super chats, donates.
	I'll get it pulled in a sec and supports the show.
	Thank you guys.
	You guys are, you know, we're viewer supported.
	We don't really, we don't ever really do any sponsorships.
	Half our shit gets like demonetized or whatever.
	So really appreciate all the support.
	We are viewer supported.
	We will be live again Sunday at 5 p.m. Pacific.
	Wait.
	Yeah, I got a good show next Sunday.
	5 p.m. Pacific Sunday.
	Any girls who want to be on the show, you can DM out whatever on Instagram.
	If you can make it to Santa Barbara, let me let these final chats come through.
	$20 TTS.
	Letting these final ones come through.
	Then we're going to get this wrapped up.
	Get everybody.
	One sec, guys.
	One sec.
	Here, let me just do it here.
	Snap more donated $19.
	Brixen loves burrito in the bum bum.
	Not what I was really hoping for, but okay.
	We have Mary.
	Oh, I should have played this one last.
	Mary donated $20.
	Brian, you are an icon.
	Doing God's work.
	Thank you, Mary.
	Appreciate it.
	Thank you.
	Thank you very much.
	She snorted back there.
	I was just going to say that.
	Delore oink.
	Bass Thor.
	Uh-oh.
	Taylor Drift doesn't remove her makeup cause.
	If she goes back to jail, she wants to make sure she looks good for her mug shots.
	Oh, when you're driving home, if you get pulled over.
	Let's play that video.
	Final thing.
	Let's pull in the Discord.
	I said I had a cop or something.
	Or what?
	I hit a cop.
	And we'll do video tab for this one.
	With your car.
	Final thing.
	This is the send off.
	It's Wall of Whatever in the Discord.
	Don't worry.
	Yeah, Video Tab.
	And then pull Discord.
	Like three days.
	Oh, my God.
	Let me hide this.
	All right.
	Our very own, our very own Taylor Drift.
	Go ahead and all this 18-year-old girl from Ventura County driving an Infinity G37.
	My car is fixed, by the way.
	A deadly weapon.
	Was chased by cops at over 100 miles per hour after also crashing into cops before being taken into custody by cops in a dead end after she took a wrong turn in a pursuit that ironically started as a cop conference.
	Shut up, notified of a pursuit coming into the Ventura area from Santa Barbara County.
	Santa Barbara 805.
	The driver at the wheel is alleged to be Felicity Hughes of Kansas.
	Oh, shit.
	Oh, shit.
	Oh my god.
	Taylor Drift.
	She then made a U-turn and hit the gas before striking a patrol vehicle.
	You know what?
	I have dash camera footage as well.
	Oh, can we get the custody without further insight?
	It's short.
	You seem pretty drunk and will calm.
	I don't do any of that.
	She was trying to get away from the fire.
	Were you five hours?
	What happened?
	Were you just $50,000 bills?
	I'm not saying how fast I was doing.
	Allegedly, they clocked me at 1.15.
	That's just.
	Okay.
	You seemed pretty relaxed.
	I know.
	Yeah, you were very, very calm.
	I will tell you that.
	The cops liked me.
	They let me chill in their cafeteria, uncuffed, and we just chatted up.
	They were asking me questions, and they started asking me, like, what I want to do with my career and stuff.
	And like random shit.
	They were like, you're young.
	What do you want to do with your life status?
	Oh, they're, oh, okay.
	Oh, just, like, random stuff.
	Like, ask me about like my family life.
	But, like, when they were, when you were being escorted with the handcuffs on, you seemed kind of like, I feel like a lot of girls are going to be crying.
	Like, oh, my God.
	No, you're pretty.
	I wasn't crying.
	There was a mug shot.
	I still need to get it.
	I wasn't crying in my mug shot either.
	And people say, it's because I'm a girl.
	Same thing has happened to tons of guys that I know and same thing happened to them.
	They didn't.
	They were only in there for three days.
	Charges dropped.
	So I don't want to see any comments, you guys, about female privilege because it happens to guys.
	How long were you in there?
	Three days.
	Three days.
	Three days?
	Yes.
	Three days.
	All right.
	Final two chats.
	Justin Martin's donated $20.
	Yo, Justin, thank you.
	Murito boy is a heathen.
	No sense in marriage until he finds his faith.
	Good seeing you on Warren.
	I enjoy your videos.
	Yo, Justin, thank you so much, man.
	Appreciate it.
	All right.
	This should be the final chat.
	Thank you, man.
	P-Pop Brixon is a great guy.
	He looks great, too.
	He probably works out a lot.
	Oh, he also hires ex-cons.
	Oh, beautiful.
	Hey, I believe in restorative justice.
	I've been here for like three months.
	All right, guys.
	Let me just double check, make sure we're all good.
	I'm pretty sure that's it.
	Okay, guys.
	Thank you so much for tuning in.
	Thank you again to the wonderful panel.
	It was a good show.
	You guys were dope.
	Thank you guys for coming on.
	07s in the chat.
	07s in the chat.
	I hope you guys have a good night, and we will see you guys next time.

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