Whatever Podcast - Jubilee Girl Says She Is A MlSANDRlST?! She DEBATES Brian?! Lawyer Boss Babe?!

June 3, 2025 - Whatever Podcast

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Jubilee Girl Says She Is A MlSANDRlST?! She DEBATES Brian?! Lawyer Boss Babe?! | Dating Talk #245

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	With that said, without further ado, we're going to have the guests introduce themselves.
	So please tell us your name, age, occupation, where you're from, and your education.
	Go ahead.
	Hi, my name is Marion Carrera.
	I'm better known as like the know I'm speaking girl.
	I live in Los Angeles, California.
	I'm 19 years old.
	I go to the University of Rhode Island.
	I study psychology, and that's it.
	And you're going into your junior year.
	You said psychology, is what you're saying?
	Okay.
	And in Rhode Island.
	Yes.
	Got it.
	Okay.
	Are you originally from California though?
	Yeah, I'm from Los Angeles, born in Rhode Island.
	All right.
	And you said you were famous for the No I'm Speaking debate.
	I fought Charlie Kirk online.
	I didn't even know who he was, but I fought him online.
	What was the process for getting on that?
	Like, you didn't know that he was going to be the guest?
	I literally got it.
	I got a text message from, I like applied for a Jubilee video during COVID, and then two years later, I got a text message saying, hey, this is like Amelia or whatever from Jubilee.
	Do you want to be in a new video?
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	And I got there and there was a guy wearing a suit and everyone was like, oh my God, that's Charlie Kirk.
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	I don't know what I'm going to do.
	And then I couldn't contain myself and I argued with him about abortion rights.
	And I went viral for that.
	What was the viral moment from that specific?
	He interrupted me one too many times.
	And, you know, it's not, it wasn't just me trying to be annoying.
	Like, I do that with lots of people.
	He just kept talking over me.
	And so I just repeated the same sentence over and over again, which was, no, I'm speaking.
	And I went viral for shutting him down for speaking too much over me.
	What wasn't there, like, as you were finishing up that segment, didn't you say something?
	I did.
	What did you say to him as you were getting up?
	I said, and you know what?
	People asked me if I meant it.
	I did mean it.
	I said, I hope your daughter lives a very happy life, which is a nice thing to say, and gets away from you, which I think, you know, he was upset about and whatever.
	However, you know, if his daughter does have, I didn't know he had a daughter when I was doing the hypothetical question, but you know, if his daughter does get raped, I hope she lives a very happy life and gets away from Charlie Kirk because he doesn't want her to be free from that.
	Okay.
	And hold on.
	What was the other thing?
	Oh, so did they provide you the prompts beforehand?
	They, during the interview, they asked me like a couple questions, like, what are your views on abortion?
	And what are your views on like black on white crime or discrimination or whatever?
	And I answered.
	And then they told me, like, okay, it's going to be you versus one conservative.
	They did not give me a name.
	They did not give me any other information.
	So I went in knowing like what the vibe was going to be, but I knew it was 25 college students versus one person and I didn't know who the person was going to be.
	I was a little bit surprised to know was a grown man in a suit who has been a political candidate and who has debated multiple college students.
	So that was a little bit unnerving, but I'm proud of what I did.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	I'm Natalia Starr in adult industry and a DJ.
	And I'm 32 years old and I didn't go to college.
	I graduated high school.
	And where are you from?
	Oh, I'm Polish.
	I grew up in Poland, but I immigrated to New York City.
	So I grew up in New York.
	Grew up in New York, and you're 32.
	When did you immigrate to New York City?
	In 2000.
	2000.
	So when, oh, okay.
	So you were very young then.
	Well, you would have been, what, 10 or so?
	Wait, hold on.
	See if my math here.
	I don't remember.
	I was like seven or eight or something like that.
	Okay, got it.
	You speak Spolish, Polish.
	Yeah.
	Okay, got it.
	What about you?
	Hi, everyone.
	My name is Lynn.
	I'm from Los Angeles, but born and raised in China.
	I'm a corporate and tax attorney.
	Age?
	I'm 29 years old.
	29.
	And how long have you been in the U.S.?
	So I moved to the U.S. in 2013, so it's been 12 years, yes.
	And you've stayed here the entire time?
	Yes.
	Actually, I was living in Washington, D.C. for my first two years, but spent my majority of my time in Los Angeles.
	Got it.
	Okay.
	And you have, have you become a citizen or?
	Yes.
	Gotcha.
	Okay.
	And you said you're a corporate and tax attorney?
	Yes.
	So you know who to reach out to if you ever have a tax and corporate problem.
	Do you work with a law firm or are you like a sole practitioner?
	What's the term for it?
	I'm a sole practitioner.
	Is that what it's called?
	Maybe that'll be my goal one day, but right now I'm working for a firm.
	Gotcha.
	And you went here in the, I'm assuming you went here in the United States for your law degree.
	Yes.
	You have a JD?
	Yes.
	So I actually did my undergrad at USC and then went on to get my JD.
	Where did you go for law school?
	Chapman, so it's in Orange County.
	Okay.
	That's a pretty good law school, right?
	I think so.
	That's a great school.
	Yeah, I think I just went for the Fulrid Scholarship.
	Okay.
	So growing up as a poster child, I guess, I wanted to save my family more money.
	Gotcha.
	And did you, are your parents still in China or did they move here too?
	My parents, they are spending most of their time in China, but they still come to visit me.
	What part of China are you from?
	So fun fact, usually people ask me, okay, which part?
	But the closest big city is not Beijing or Shanghai, but it's South Korea.
	It's near South Korea.
	Yeah, and actually I found 16% Korean through 23 and me, the DNA test.
	Okay, which I wasn't aware of before.
	What's the city?
	It's a smaller city called Yentai.
	No way.
	Why?
	I've been there.
	No.
	Just kidding.
	Okay.
	Wow.
	But the funny thing is, whenever I say it's like a smaller, medium-sized city you don't know, but actually has six, seven million population because it's China.
	Yeah.
	Well, that's what I've heard with China.
	There's like, how many cities that have over like a million people?
	It's.
	Yeah, I mean, one million.
	That's like a rural town, probably.
	That's the sticks in China.
	Okay.
	And okay, so you moved here when you were younger.
	You've been here ever since.
	All right, cool.
	What about you?
	My name's Kaylin May.
	I'm a boudoir photographer, originally from Reading, Pennsylvania.
	And I went to college in Philadelphia for an associate's in photography and then graduated here in Santa Barbara from Brooks Institute with a BFA in fine art photography.
	Age?
	35.
	Got it.
	Okay.
	All right.
	And did you do any like undergrad or anything?
	In Philadelphia.
	Got my associates in professional photographic imaging.
	Okay, got it.
	What about you?
	My name is Silvana.
	I was born in Argentina, living in Los Angeles for over 30 years.
	I am a piano teacher, concert pianist.
	And that kind of I did it all my life, but I slowed down with COVID and after the death of my husband.
	So I needed to do something else and I became a flight attendant.
	So I am a flight attendant and I am a piano teacher.
	And I am based in Denver.
	Denver.
	Age?
	I am 47 years old.
	All right.
	I'm old.
	What's your go-to piano piece to what's the question?
	You said you were a concert pianist.
	Yeah, classically trained.
	What's your favorite piece to play?
	Well, my very favorite piece to play is the G minor ballad, written by Fédriq Chopin.
	I feel very related to Frédéric Chopin, and I believe it has to do that I was very lucky to be part of that line of musicians because my teacher studied with Alberto Williams.
	Alberto Williams studied with George Matrayas in France and George Matraias was the favorite student of Frédéric Chopin.
	So they guide me through that line of music.
	Okay, very cool.
	Very cool.
	Do we have keyboards?
	Maybe we'll have her play something or I don't know.
	That would be my pleasure.
	All right.
	What about you?
	Thank you for having me.
	My name is Hale.
	I am 20 years old.
	I am a WSU student and I am studying finance.
	And I'm from Santa Cruz, California.
	Got it.
	Sorry, what was the name of the university?
	Washington State University.
	I see.
	Okay, got it.
	All right.
	My name is Felicity.
	I'm 19 from Santa Barbara.
	I'm a full-time student majoring in business.
	All right.
	Welcome, everybody.
	We're going to go around the table once more.
	What is your current relationship status?
	So, single, talking stage relationship, married.
	If you're single, how long have you been single?
	And what's the longest relationship you've ever been in?
	I have a boyfriend right now, almost six months, but the longest relationship I've been in was eight months with my ex-boyfriend.
	Longest relationship, eight months.
	Okay.
	And six months.
	So did you meet him on the Charlie Kirk Jubilee shoot?
	No, no.
	I knew him since senior year of high school.
	I had a huge crush on him all of senior year, all of freshman year, and then sophomore year of college, we started dating.
	He lives near me in LA, and we just knew each other for a while.
	Is it you?
	You said you go to school in Rhode Island, though, so has it been long distance for a few years ago?
	Yeah, it has.
	He goes to school in Texas, and I go to school in Rhode Island, but thankfully, we're able to at least once a month see each other for a weekend.
	We call every single night.
	And again, I've known him for like two plus, three plus years.
	So I love him so much.
	And he's living with me for the summer, so we're making it work.
	Oh, you guys live together?
	Yeah.
	Are you currently at your parents' place or you have your own place?
	Yeah, no, I'm at my parents' place, but he lives with me at my parents' house because his parents' house is a little bit smaller.
	And so my parents are chilled with him living with me.
	And you just got back to, you're in LA, right?
	Yeah.
	You just got back to LA?
	Yeah, so I go to school in Rhode Island, and then he got off like a week after I did, and then he's just been living at my house basically.
	So he basically moved in like a couple weeks ago.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	And was this like you brought this to your parents and they're cool with it?
	Yeah, my parents know that since I'm grown, they can't really stop me from doing things anymore.
	Like they set boundaries, but he's fine if he sleeps over.
	And I love him so much, so he's fine.
	Does he get like the guest room or he's with you in your room?
	Yeah, he's in my room.
	But like, did you ask your parents if it was cool or?
	I kind of just told them, like, hey, just so you know, my boyfriend who they know and they like him.
	Sure.
	He doesn't want to stay at his dad's apartment because it's in the valley and he'd rather just stay here most nights.
	And they said that's fine.
	They're cool with it?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	All right.
	And what about you?
	I'm recently single since May 6th.
	My longest relationship was like two years.
	And sorry, you've been single since May three weeks or one month.
	And you said longest relationship two years?
	Okay.
	But most of them are like six months.
	Most of them.
	When you say, yeah, good question, man.
	Four or five two-year relationships.
	No, six months.
	Or six months, excuse me.
	One was the two years and then the rest were six months.
	The most recent one was six months.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	The most recent relationship, who broke up with who?
	I broke up with him.
	Okay.
	The two-year relationship, your longest?
	Who broke up with who?
	I broke up with him.
	And then going back to you, Maren, the eight-month relationship, who broke up with who?
	I broke up with him.
	Okay.
	All right.
	All right.
	What about you?
	My relationship status is kind of complicated right now because I have been separated from my husband since 2023.
	But we met each other in 2016 and I think it was the seventh year that we decided to call it quit.
	So we're currently going through a divorce proceeding.
	Okay.
	And of course, he's been my longest relationship for seven years.
	Seven years.
	Okay.
	How long have you been separated?
	For like a year and a half.
	All right.
	Have you been dating anybody else in that time period?
	You mean since I got separated?
	Yeah, in the past year and a half.
	Oh, definitely.
	Are you currently involved with somebody?
	Currently, no, I'm fully single.
	Properly single?
	Yeah, probably single and enjoying it.
	Is he also an attorney?
	No, he's an engineer.
	He's an engineer.
	Okay.
	Did you guys have a prenup?
	Yes.
	How long were you guys married?
	So, I mean, we're technically still married.
	So we've been married since 20, like end of 2017.
	So it's been a long time.
	Been a long time.
	Oh, you've been, sorry, you've been married since?
	2017.
	2017?
	Yeah, but we had the wedding in the summer 2018.
	Okay.
	And how long were you guys dating before you got married?
	It was fairly quick.
	We dated for about a year and three months, and then he popped a question.
	Then we got married legally a month after.
	Okay.
	Wait, a month after you were?
	No, a month after the engagement, we got married.
	I see.
	Okay.
	How did you ask the question?
	It was kind of a long story.
	Yeah.
	Who initiated the divorce?
	I think it was like a mutual decision.
	As we just spent more time together, we realized we're not the best fit.
	Also, I think just we have very different personality communication styles and interests and pursuits of life.
	And also, I have to acknowledge that I was very young when I got married.
	Like when I met him, I was 21 years old.
	And then I have had like some milestones in my life.
	I have changed a lot.
	I became more independent, opinionated even.
	So yeah.
	How old was he when you guys met?
	His age.
	So he's 10 years older.
	So he was 31 and you are 21 at the time.
	Okay.
	And he was an engineer, you said?
	A software engineer?
	What kind of engineer?
	Like civil.
	Civil engineer.
	Is he, was he Chinese also?
	No, he's from the East Coast.
	So he's American.
	White, American.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Did he help you pay for law school?
	No.
	My law school education was free.
	Oh, it's free?
	Yeah, because I got a scholarship.
	You got scholarships.
	Gotcha.
	All right.
	So, you guys were married.
	Let's see here.
	Who initiated the divorce, though?
	Somebody typically has to do the filing?
	Yeah, so I was the one that contacted the attorney who did the petition for me.
	And of course, subsequently, he secured his own attorney as well.
	See, all right.
	And was he caught off guard, or did he kind of see this conflict?
	I think during our multiple arguments, I have made it very clear that it's going to be the path we will take.
	So I think he was probably prepared.
	Yeah, it wasn't something like I thought of just overnight, but it was a careful decision I wanted to make a while ago.
	All right.
	And was the divorce acrimonious?
	I would say it's amicable.
	I wouldn't say like we're enemies because it's really hard to just detach from someone after spending like almost your entire 20s together.
	So.
	Was there, is there any alimony?
	I mean, I honestly, I'm financially dependent, so I'm not looking forward to receiving like alimony because I'm not trying to like profit from a divorce.
	So I think it's all up to the negotiation between the attorneys.
	Okay.
	But do you know, when you've spoken to your attorney, has your attorney talked to you about seeking alimony?
	I think it was in the prenup, but also the thing is, our financial situation has changed quite a bit since we got married.
	So I think that's still something not settled at this stage.
	Under the terms of the prenup, what was the deal with alimony?
	It's actually kind of vague.
	I wish, I mean, I had an attorney after law school.
	So I just said up to this amount of money.
	But of course, since now we're making pretty similar amounts of money, then I think it won't be exactly what is written in the prenup.
	I'm sure the attorney is going to have some back and forth, like negotiations about all the terms.
	You're saying that currently your guys' income is pretty comparable?
	It's similar?
	I would say pretty similar.
	Maybe he's still higher, but not that much significantly higher.
	Okay.
	And could he potentially are you out earning him?
	No, he still makes more than that.
	He still makes more.
	Yeah.
	All right.
	Got it.
	And you said that you, one of the reasons why you guys started to grow apart is you became more opinionated.
	I guess in what ways did you become more opinionated?
	I think in his words, which I don't completely agree, he thinks we are both trying to be the boss.
	But I feel like it should be an equal relationship.
	We both should have the same relationship.
	But I think he usually likes to take the lead.
	But after I have had my own education, my own career, I wanted to participate more in decision making.
	And also, I think fundamentally, just because as I grew older, I realized, oh, we just really have very fundamentally different values and pursuits and interests, which I didn't realize when I was younger.
	And ever since the marriage, I realized, okay, if you want to be compatible together, you can't just be going on vacation all the time, but you got to spend like difficult times together as well to see if this person is the right fit.
	Gotcha.
	What were some of the.
	You said you wanted more equal stake when it came to decision making in the relationship.
	Can you give me maybe one example where in the relationship there was a conflict as it relates to a decision that maybe you guys disagreed on?
	I think maybe financially, I grew up in a culture where men should take more lead in financial affairs.
	So when we bought the house together, of course, I mean, we paid like half and half.
	But then as for like daily expenses, like insurance, property tax, and like renovation, I believe that men should take on more responsibility.
	So we had some arguments over that.
	And then I think just in terms of like I cannot think of like a concrete example right now.
	I may have to think through it.
	But he often just thinks like things have to go his way.
	And if I want to make a suggestion and he would be defensive, he would say, oh, you're trying to change me and I'm not going to change for you.
	So yeah, it's pretty complicated.
	I would say like different factors are contributing.
	One point of clarification, you said that as you got a bit older, you wanted to take on a bit more, have a bit more equality when it came to leadership in the relationship.
	Although you said that when it came to financial components, you guys paid $50-50 when it came to the mortgage and maybe the down payment, is that correct?
	But when it came to the household expenses, you had an expectation that he cover that fully.
	I guess there's a bit of confusion on my end.
	Oh.
	Why, on one hand, you say, I want to take on more equal responsibility in terms of leadership, but you are still holding him to he should pay for yeah, I think it would depends on like which aspect.
	So in terms of like financial responsibility, because at that stage when we bought the house, he was making a lot more money.
	I was fresh out of law school.
	So I figured he is 10 years older than me and he's well established in his career.
	So he should probably contributing more to the expenses.
	But of course, I don't think that's like a fundamental issue for us.
	I think the more fundamental issues are like when we are going through, like for example, just going on vacation or just handling like daily affairs, he probably should let me participate more or help out more, be more supportive in things.
	Gotcha.
	Okay.
	Maybe we can come back to that.
	Is this the only time you've been married?
	Yes.
	Do you have kids?
	No.
	No kids.
	Okay.
	Gotcha.
	And then since the separation a year and a half ago, have you been dating any other men?
	Yes.
	What was the longest period of time you've dated a guy since the separation?
	Yeah, I don't think nothing was too serious, even though I did kind of hope it would lead into something.
	I think the longest was just about close to six, no, close to three months.
	Okay.
	Here, just go that way from that long, okay?
	All right.
	What about you?
	I am single.
	I've been single for quite some time.
	My longest relationship was with my high school boyfriend.
	He was older.
	He was not in high school anymore.
	And it was a year and a half.
	Longest relationship?
	You said a year and a half?
	Okay.
	And you've been single for how long?
	Most of my adult life.
	I mean, I live very far from my parents.
	And so what I'm saying, I've never changed my Facebook status to say in a relationship.
	And I've never brought or introduced anyone to my parents in the traditional sense of publicly dating.
	So I've had plenty of like mini relationships, but I wouldn't say I ever was introduced as, oh, this is my girlfriend.
	Okay.
	So when was your year and a half relationship?
	When I was in high school.
	16 to 17 and a half.
	How old was he?
	21 to 23.
	Is that, I think that's a yikes.
	No, that's legal.
	I wait for you.
	That might be a bit of a yikes.
	Oh, you're saying you're in a state where the age of consistency.
	I started dating him when I was 16, so that was a consensual.
	My parents approved 21.
	You were 16?
	Okay.
	But since then, so that relationship ended when you were 18, correct?
	17 and a half.
	You've not had any relationships?
	No relationships where I was officially dating.
	Okay, hold on.
	I need to go to intro really quick.
	Flash, okay.
	Okay.
	Have you had situationships?
	I've had a number of situationships.
	Okay.
	Some were fun, some were horrible, but what's the longest situationship you've had?
	Two years.
	Two years.
	But you guys weren't boyfriend and girlfriend?
	No, never went anywhere in public.
	Okay.
	Didn't go on trips together.
	Didn't do holiday gifts, birthday gifts, didn't hang out with each other's friends.
	All right.
	Are you currently involved with a guy in some capacity?
	No.
	There's no guy in the picture?
	No guy you're seeing, even casually, sneaky link?
	Depends what city I'm in.
	Are you an escort?
	No, but I grew up on the East Coast.
	I travel often, and so I have friends that I see in different cities when I'm there, but it's not like I plan the trip to see them.
	It's like, hey, I'm in town.
	You want to go get dinner?
	If I sleep with them afterwards, you know what I mean?
	They're someone I've known a long time.
	Okay.
	So there's no guy currently, though, in the picture.
	When's the last local situationship you've had?
	Local situationship in LA?
	A couple years.
	Okay, so you've been, have you been, are you celibate?
	No, I just have the absolute worst dating luck out of anyone you've probably ever met.
	When's the last time you hung out with a guy in a romantic about a month, month and a half ago?
	Okay, so you've been celibate for a month and a half?
	Yeah, I don't think I've had sex this month.
	Okay.
	Are you wanting to get married or have kids or anything like that?
	I'm not sure if I've missed the boat on that or not yet.
	It's still a, you know, whether, or I would like, ideally in an ideal world to find a partner and get married and whether I adopt a child or they already have children is like, I don't feel the need to birth a baby and have my DNA.
	Like, doesn't feel like something I absolutely have to do, but like, I'm not against it.
	I would have kids if I had to.
	So if it happens, but I'm not going to be a single mom.
	I'll be the first one in line.
	I've watched enough of my friends get pregnant, end up single moms, multiple baby daddies, count me out.
	Gotcha.
	Okay.
	And let's see here.
	Have you ever had a roster?
	Definitely.
	What's the biggest the roster has ever been?
	Maybe five.
	Five guys?
	I like that restaurant.
	That means five guys at once.
	No, it means like there's five guys in your phone book that you might send a sexy photo to and make plans to see at some point in the upcoming month, but one guy might be out of town.
	The other guy might be out of town.
	I'm not dating.
	No.
	Period.
	All right.
	And when's the most like you don't have a roster now though?
	It's really not no.
	It's dry.
	It's dry, yeah.
	It's a dry roster.
	Okay.
	It's open season.
	It's summertime.
	You've got to clear out your roster and then start fresh in the summer.
	And then just moving back this way for a moment, have you ever had a roster?
	I don't think so.
	No, like, so you kind of talk into multiple girls?
	Yeah, that's one thing I kind of dislike about the American culture.
	I mean, guys would hit on like multiple girls, like send them booty cause, but normally I like to focus one guy, like a primary guy.
	But maybe there's a sidekick somewhere.
	It all depends.
	There's a sidekick somewhere?
	Okay.
	What does that mean?
	Like I would try hard to make it work with a primary guy, but then it doesn't always work out.
	So there's someone probably in the back corner, like hoping something would happen.
	And I would still have some hope that it may develop between me and that sidekick guy.
	Have you ever had like a friends with benefits?
	I guess like just very short term.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Ever had a roster?
	Yeah, totally.
	How big was your roster when you did have one, I guess?
	Yeah, it depends what city I'm in, for sure.
	At least like five or six different at the same time.
	Five to six?
	How many do you have a roster currently?
	Yeah, I have a couple guys I could hit up.
	A couple guys?
	I want to like, but I also shoot content, so I'm just making sure like we could also like record it.
	When you say you have a couple guys you could hit up though, are they civilians?
	No, they're usually guys in my industry or guys who have a have you shot who have you shot with like any big names or yeah totally Johnny Sins?
	Yep.
	Is that one of the guys that you can hit up for?
	I literally was in love with him my first scene.
	I was with him and when we did a scene I was like oh my god that's gonna be my man.
	That's your man.
	There you go.
	But yeah we used to hook up in like not private life but not recently no.
	Maren ever had a roster?
	No.
	No roster?
	No.
	Okay.
	I've never had a roster.
	I mean like I guess there's there's some guys like I knew that if I asked them to they'd hook up with me but I've never like kept a roster or tried to hook up with people.
	Got it.
	And then going back around the table orientation.
	What do you mean?
	Straight, bisexual.
	Oh like I guess I guess to make it easy I'd say bisexual but I don't really care or no.
	So far I've only dated any women so far I've only liked or hooked up with men and women but I've never like tried to explore anything different.
	I don't really care that much.
	So I would say mainly I've only dated two guys so straight but I'm open.
	I don't know.
	Of your kind of relationships they've been with men.
	Yeah.
	But like you have had like a fling with a woman.
	Is that fair to say?
	Yeah yeah I've hooked up with women.
	What about you?
	I'm trisexual.
	I'll try anything.
	You mean yeah trisexual try and think once at least.
	Well you're saying like she says she's open to anything whatsoever.
	I like fluid men so I like bisexual men.
	I like to do all kinds of interesting sexual acts I guess.
	I'll hook up with a trans pansex pan.
	There you go.
	I don't know.
	I don't follow those kind of things.
	She's like I'm an energy person.
	So if I like it.
	What if a tree has good energy?
	I would masturbate with it.
	I've masturbated with the moon before.
	Uh-huh.
	You had like on the point, like in the moon highlight the moon?
	No, just masturbated with it.
	With it?
	It was like mutual masturbation.
	Like you felt a vibe with it.
	Yeah, it was a full moon.
	Felt the face come out.
	You know what I mean?
	No, it had like a light directly like coming.
	It was the full moon.
	Yeah.
	You just felt the vibes.
	Because we did have a girl on the show who was involved with a tree.
	So I don't know.
	I don't know.
	I need to have the romantically.
	Like touched it.
	Yes.
	Grinded up on it.
	I don't know if trees can consent, but I don't think that's a good idea.
	I give her a hug.
	I'm a tree hugger.
	Yeah.
	Orientation, straight by.
	Okay, very simple.
	I'm straight.
	Even though I do like staring at pretty girls on the street.
	You like staring at pretty girls on the street.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Scrutinizing their fashion.
	Scrutinizing.
	Or appreciating.
	Depends on how they wear.
	Gotcha.
	And orientation?
	I go straight.
	I definitely have had experiences with women and only humans, but only humans, I mean.
	Only humans.
	No trees for me.
	That's good.
	But as far as dating, I don't have any interest in dating a woman, so I feel like I still prefer the male anatomy.
	All right.
	What about you?
	I am a widow.
	Sorry, huh?
	Oh, widow.
	Widow.
	Got it.
	Okay.
	Yes.
	And what's your orientation?
	I am 100% straight.
	100% straight, okay?
	Yes.
	And you were married how many times?
	So I was married three times.
	My first husband is my best friend today.
	How long?
	Let's do a timeline here.
	Can you tell me at what age did you start dating him?
	Yes, I started dating him when I was 17 years old.
	Okay, and then when did you get married?
	I got married when I was 19.
	And then how long were you guys together?
	Five years.
	You were married five years?
	Yes.
	Gotcha.
	So you got divorced at 24?
	Yes, around that time.
	And then did you initiate the divorce?
	Actually, we separated and I didn't have the money for the divorce.
	So he initiated it like two years later after we separated.
	Okay, gotcha.
	And then you were single for a period of time?
	I was single for about seven years.
	And then you met your second husband who died of a stroke.
	And so how old were you when you met your second husband?
	Well, so I was 32 because I got divorced at 25, my first husband, so 32, I would say.
	Little closer to Mike.
	I'm sorry, 32 years old.
	32 when you met, and how long were you married?
	A couple of years.
	And then you divorced.
	Or, well, wait, no, you're widowed from him.
	Yes.
	No, no, no.
	No, I'm not widow.
	I'm not a widow from.
	He died, and then I married a third time.
	That was the love of my life, and I was married the last 10 years.
	Okay, so my third husband died in 2020, and I got married in 2010.
	I was married 10 years.
	No, actually, I got married within 2012.
	Wait, so two of your husbands are dead?
	Yes, the second and the third.
	But and the second one, he died while you were married or after the divorce?
	No, no, no.
	Second one, I was with him.
	He died of a stroke.
	Okay, gotcha.
	Yes.
	And then I married my third husband, who is the love of my life.
	I married him in 2012.
	Oh, okay.
	So only wait.
	Yeah.
	But he passed away too?
	He passed away in 2020.
	Okay.
	Saving my daughter's life.
	Oh.
	What was there?
	What happened?
	What was the...
	It's a long story.
	I mean, if you let me tell you, it's going to take me a good five minutes.
	I love to tell this story, but I don't want to be taking it.
	Give me like the 30-second plot synopsis version.
	It'll be very hard.
	Very hard.
	I think I would need at least a minute, maybe.
	Tell us the saved her life from what?
	From the world of drugs.
	So in a couple of worlds, my daughter was in drugs for a long time and we did anything you can imagine under the sun to help her.
	Whatever you come up with, we did it.
	Until we couldn't do anymore and it was affecting our life, our marriage, our finances, our everything.
	So that's when we decided to move away literally to save our lives and we moved to the other side of the country to live away from her because she would be in our house constantly and she was a woman 20 plus 25 years.
	Anyways, long story short, we moved to North Carolina from Los Angeles to North Carolina and we lived there the 10 years that we were married.
	Those were the best 10 years of my life with the love of my life until I got a phone call.
	I thought that she was going to put herself together now that mama was gone.
	Because I was told you give her too much.
	You always take care of her.
	Leave her alone.
	She's going to figure it out.
	But she didn't.
	I still can't believe that she didn't when she was by herself.
	But she didn't.
	So I got a phone call 10 years after, and that was in 2020.
	I got this phone call telling me, we saw your daughter in the corner of Venice and Sepulveda in a community of drug addicts.
	And I almost fainted when I heard that.
	My husband grabbed me.
	He grabbed the phone and he said, do not call again, giving those news.
	He hung up, he looked at me, and he said, honey, we walked away to be happy and look at you.
	And I say, honey, I can't help it.
	So he said, I'm going to LA and I'm going to go to your daughter.
	He went to LA December 5th, 2020.
	That was a Wednesday.
	No, excuse me, December 2nd, 2020.
	He died in December 5th.
	He went on December 2nd.
	That was a Wednesday.
	So here comes the end of the story.
	He landed at LAX.
	He picked up the rental car.
	He went straight to Venice and Sepulveda to find her.
	After those 10 years that we walked away, and he did.
	He found her.
	He put her in a hotel.
	He took care of her.
	She took her good bath.
	She looked terrible, 90 pounds, looking the worst you can imagine.
	He always gave me the news, what was happening.
	The next day, Thursday, December 3rd, he called me.
	He took her to get her nails done, her feet, facial, he was getting pretty.
	December 4th, he took her to the mall, gave her the credit card, leave her, he left her there.
	She got up at the end of the day, full of, you know, makeup and underwear and clothes.
	She was all happy.
	And December 5th, the fourth day that she was with her, and he was talking to her about going to rehab.
	And then he told me, we're going to make a deal.
	I'm going to make a deal with you, my wife, he said.
	That's the only thing we didn't do.
	And I say, what deal?
	I'm going to put her on rehab.
	But if she doesn't accept, you're going to let go.
	And I say, me?
	Yes.
	You as a mother, you're going to let go.
	We're going to change her name, our address.
	We're going to be private.
	She will never find us and you will never look for her.
	We need to be happy.
	But if she does accept, I'll put her on rehab and I'll pick her up myself on the last day.
	We bring her to our home and we get her on her feet.
	And I said, deal.
	That's why he came to LA.
	Well, that Saturday he called me and he told me, honey, Monday she's going to rehab.
	I couldn't believe it because she never accepted that after many years.
	So I said, honey, I'm never going to be going to, it's never going to be enough to love you and to thank you for what you're doing for my daughter.
	I hung up and that's the last thing I told him.
	He went to the hotel where they were sharing the same room to save money.
	My daughter told me that she went to bed at 8.30 p.m.
	He didn't.
	And then she said, Mama, I woke up at midnight.
	I'm looking at his bed and he's at the end of the bed in a praying position with music in his ears.
	It didn't look nothing bad.
	It looked like he was praying.
	He used to pray.
	And I was, hey, Papa, what are you doing?
	What are you looking under the bed?
	He didn't answer.
	He was dead.
	So he called the paramedics.
	They took him.
	They did the autopsy.
	They didn't find nothing.
	His body was perfect.
	No cause of death.
	I'm looking at my daughter and I said, he did all that for you.
	Now you're going to come to me.
	I brought it to me.
	He flew immediately.
	She flew to North Carolina and she looked at my eyes when we saw each other after 10 years and she said, Mama, for what your husband did for me, I owe you a life of loyalty and respect.
	And I said, yes, you do.
	Because if you don't do what you have to do now, the plan is the same.
	I'm walking away from you whether he's dead or alive.
	So because of his death that I'm still trying to figure it out what happened, she's in rehab, almost completely rehabbed, rehabilitated.
	And that was very quick.
	If I give you the details, we'll be all crying here.
	But he saved my life, and we still don't know exactly why he died.
	But he fell dead without a reason.
	And that was enough for her.
	Because the thing is that during her recovery, when she was having her downs, because it was ups and downs, a lot of downs, I would talk to her and say, remember when you found him dead, do it for that.
	Make his death worse.
	And he did it.
	She did it.
	So that's what I'm saying.
	It broke my heart to the point that I almost died.
	I have pictures on my phone.
	I can show it to you.
	I went down to 96 pounds.
	I was shutting down.
	I worked on my financial.
	Did he go to the corner?
	Was he sent to the coroner?
	Yes.
	This was in the U.S., you said?
	What did the coroner say was the cause of death?
	They didn't.
	So this is the last of the end of the story.
	They didn't have a cause of death for a long time.
	And then after a few months, finally, it came a very little dose of fentanyl in his system, which we believe that it was the fentanyl that my daughter had.
	Because that was involuntary exposure.
	I mean, for crying out loud, he went to save her life.
	He's not going to be trying fentanyl for crying out loud.
	He never was a drug addict.
	Wait, so you think your daughter did it?
	We believe that my daughter's fentanyl got him because he felt like that.
	And that's what happened with fentanyl.
	And later on, they found it so small dose that they believed that he breathed because that's what happened.
	My daughter told me, Mama, my fentanyl was in the room, in the bathroom.
	I closed the door.
	That if you don't consume fentanyl and fentanyl is on the other room, you fall down dead.
	You can go to YouTube and put cop overdosing on fentanyl.
	I saw with my own eyes, you know, cops can, you know, they can be helping somebody and the fentanyl is right there and they fall down.
	Just as a point of clarification, your daughter, she had some drugs in the hotel room or whatever, in the room.
	Fentanyl.
	And he incidentally, accidentally came into contact with it.
	That's what we believe.
	You're not suggesting that there's any sort of foul play, correct?
	Absolutely not.
	Okay.
	Absolutely not.
	Honestly, this is not really related.
	Well, it's kind of.
	I feel like you got to just I'm just being kind of totally off track here.
	I think you just disown your child if they're on drugs like that.
	I think you just got to disown.
	I don't know.
	I'm sorry.
	I'm not going to go to the hotel and like accidentally come into contact with fentanyl, risking my own life.
	I agree with that.
	I think you were very stupid.
	But that's an absolutely tragic thing.
	I'm really sorry to hear.
	So she's clean now, though?
	She's clean.
	You know, she's clean.
	She's doing great.
	She's doing so much better.
	She's out of rehab and she's putting herself together and she's getting a job.
	So she said the beginning of starting to get herself in society and I'm starting to see the results, the fruits of his death, you know?
	Well, I appreciate you sharing that with us.
	Of course.
	Sorry.
	Thank you.
	Yeah, me too.
	I'm sorry.
	Thank you.
	You know, you opened up.
	Has she taken responsibility?
	I mean, she kind of killed the guy.
	Not 100%.
	Well, did she talk about like anything about that?
	No.
	No, and that's a good question.
	No.
	No.
	She, I believe that drugs really affect her to the point that she doesn't have a great judgment today.
	And she doesn't act at the height or at the level that she should after everything that happened.
	When she told me that day, mom, I owe you a life of loyalty and respect, she knew it.
	Her mind, her thinking told her that.
	So I don't know what happened today, but you know, there's some things that I'm expecting more from her.
	But as long as she's getting out of that life and getting clean, I'm happy.
	I'm not expecting anymore.
	Okay, so you've been, you're currently, wait, are you currently in a relationship?
	No, no, no.
	No, no, I'm single.
	How long have you been single for?
	Since he died?
	2020, December 2020?
	Like five years?
	five years yeah and longest relationship was it was my third marriage almost 10 years 10 years since I was.
	Sorry, 20 years?
	10 years.
	10 years.
	Almost 10 years.
	How many children do you have?
	Two adult children from my first marriage.
	Okay, then that's it.
	That's it.
	Got it.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	I'm in a three and a half year relationship with my boyfriend, and I'm straight and no roster.
	Longest relationship?
	He was my longest.
	He was my longest, yeah.
	Gotcha.
	Okay, how old is he?
	He's 19.
	19?
	Yes.
	Oh, okay.
	And you're 20?
	Yes.
	Cougar over here.
	Oh, my goodness.
	He calls me that all the time.
	Gotcha.
	So you guys were like high school sweethearts?
	Yes.
	Kind of.
	Okay.
	Same grade?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Felicity, what about you?
	Single for like a week now.
	Oh.
	Longest relationship was almost two years, a year and a half, two years.
	Past one?
	She got dumped, bro.
	Did you get dumped or what happened?
	He's not faithful.
	He's not faithful.
	I'm going to listen to Brian.
	Wait, listen to me.
	Yeah, because I talked to you about it one time.
	You're like, I don't know, Felicity.
	It sounds like, you know.
	Hey, whoa, don't put it on me.
	It's your fault, Brian.
	Hold on.
	Totally.
	I think I was giving you advice about how you were moving.
	I'm saying I was moving.
	I was giving you advice about how you were moving.
	Let's not talk about how I was moving, but I'll say.
	We should talk about that.
	No, he's a dumbass.
	Not on stream.
	Not on stream.
	Okay, we'll talk after.
	We'll talk, yeah.
	Oh, shit.
	He cheated on me.
	With how many people?
	He had like a secret Snapchat account, and he had like a lot of girls on there.
	How do you find out?
	Well, I had a feeling for a while.
	I was like, I feel like something's going on, you know, like you're like you're keeping something from me.
	So I asked him, like, would you just show me if you're like, or tell me or whatever, show me what's on your phone?
	Because I don't want to go through a phone, you know?
	And he's like, no, just go through it when I'm sleeping.
	I was like, are you serious?
	He's like, yeah, go through it when I'm sleeping.
	So I went through what he was sleeping.
	And he had been like snapping other girls for, I mean, at least a month, which was also on my birthday.
	Damn.
	Yeah.
	Good times.
	Congratulations.
	Congratulations, Felicity, on your newly singleness.
	Here we go.
	Jungle's donated $1,000.
	Thank you, bro.
	Thanks, Jungle.
	Start this party off right.
	Thank you.
	Sorry for the delay on this.
	Can't watch for long tonight.
	Cheers.
	Cheers.
	Are we all getting some or what's the double?
	Well, underage, underage, underage.
	Would you like some champagne?
	I'll take some.
	Champagne?
	Sure.
	Champagne?
	Sure.
	Champagne?
	Damn.
	No fruit?
	No, thank you.
	No fruit.
	Okay, so.
	All right, got it.
	All right.
	While I'm getting this poured, Felicity, keep telling us about the happenings.
	Pass it down.
	Just keep passing it.
	Thank you, Jungle Man.
	I don't know.
	I'm sad about it still, but he's a good liar, so he kept it from me for a while.
	I mean, I asked him multiple times and he said that nothing was going on.
	Do I keep passing it?
	Just here?
	Or wait.
	Yeah, for her.
	All right, let's do a quick cheers.
	Cheers to Jungle, your legend, dude, Salu.
	Salu.
	Thank you.
	All right.
	Thank you, Jungle.
	Much appreciated.
	We're going to read a couple chats here.
	Mary, pull up the shop.whatever.com.
	Somebody purchased, I believe, a hoodie.
	Streamlabs has to integrate this a little better.
	No, no, no.
	Well, yeah, that's fine, actually.
	Someone, thank you for getting the hoodie.
	And then Jeff here.
	You guys can put your name in it too.
	Sometimes, though, if you don't.
	Dude, love your pod last.
	Pod was crazy.
	Keep up the good work.
	Jeff, thank you for the shop.whatever.com purchase.
	We will pull up your message if you make a purchase, shop.whatever.com.
	And then we have, one sec, let me see.
	We have Lucas here.
	Lucas, chair three, nice to see an esteemed colleague on the panel.
	Tax work question mark.
	That's impressive.
	Why would my JV agreement drafts be going to you for review for the allocations 754 adjustments, chargeback, et cetera, section?
	Okay, reach out to Brian for my LinkedIn or my Instagram, and then we can discuss further after the show.
	Well, he's an attorney too, but we have...
	Wait, I think he was asking you, though...
	Should I check you?
	He was asking you, though, like, did any of what he wrote make sense?
	He's trying to pick my brain, but I just don't want to go on tangents here because I know Brian's going to hate me for going on tangents and stuff.
	Do like a 30, 10 second response.
	I'd rather not answer it here.
	So I'm not subject to any malpractice on the show.
	I'd rather.
	Maybe a little bit of malpractice would be okay.
	I'd rather carefully scheme my answer outside the show.
	Very earlier of you.
	Yes.
	So guys, if you want, she's going to be giving legal advice on the show.
	So send in any legal questions for her if you have any tax questions.
	Wait, it's court.
	You said corporate and taxes?
	Mainly tax, yes.
	What?
	Mainly tax.
	Mainly tax.
	What's the other one that you practice?
	Some corporate.
	Guys, if you have any maritime law questions for her, aviation law, tree law, she does a bit of tree law.
	She does dog bite lawsuits.
	If you're the victim of a dog bite, she hates pit bulls, so she just ruthlessly, she litigates pits.
	I actually love French pit bull.
	They're so foggy and cute.
	She is now going to sue me for defamation and slander and other things.
	Okay, we have Lucas here.
	Chair five, Argentina.
	Shirley, you are a big fan of Martha Argorich and Daniel Barenbaum.
	Absolutely.
	Any piano concertos in your repertoire?
	Schumann piano concerto in A minor.
	Right manino number three.
	I never played it, but I could be in my bucket list.
	Beethoven Emperor, Tsaikovsky number one.
	I did play Detorrent Emperor with the USC Philharmonic.
	And then Chair One, you do realize that Charlie Kirk hangs out on Air Force One often, and his wife is former Miss Arizona.
	Wow.
	Do you want to respond to that?
	That's for you, Maren.
	Do you want to respond?
	Pray for her.
	pray for her wait why should we why do we got to pray for charlie kirk She's probably okay.
	What do you mean she's probably got the bag?
	That's what.
	You know, if, you know, Arizona, there is some conservatives there.
	So if she's conservative, I bet she's having a wonderful time.
	Tell us how you really feel.
	I fear for any woman who gets close to Charlie Kirk because of his views, his political views, and his perceptions of what women are and how they should live their lives.
	But like, so when you say you fear for those women.
	Yeah.
	Fear of what?
	Like, violence?
	His opinion is so hurtful to so many women that, like, if you're a woman who believes in what he believes in...
	I do.
	I just fear for...
	I'm sorry, just to say...
	I just fear a little bit for you, because the men...
	In what way, though?
	What are you fearful of?
	The men who believe in Charlie Kirk's views are often more violent, more upsetting, more rigorous, and more conservative.
	And if you're a woman who believes in all of that, then you're probably fine.
	So just to be clear, you're saying that.
	However.
	You're saying that men who believe in Charlie Kirk's views are more violent.
	How do you come to this conclusion?
	You know, Andrew Tate?
	Andrew Tate is very similar to Charlie Kirk.
	Are they?
	Yes.
	I think they'd be great friends.
	How are they similar to them?
	Political views, ideals, energies.
	Misogynistic.
	So kids.
	And misogynistic ideals.
	Well, okay, hold on.
	And you know, yeah, go ahead.
	You know, I bet Charlie Kirk's wife believes in everything he says, and I hope she's doing really good.
	That's, you know, Miss Arizona.
	Arizona is a very interesting area.
	Sure.
	And I bet she's totally fine with it.
	However, I fear she never has to face anything that's violent or upsetting.
	And I just hope that she lives a great life.
	Are you suggesting that Charlie Kirk's wife is at risk of violence at Charlie Kirk's hands?
	Maybe not even his hands, but you know, I bet he has a lot of friends who are dangerous and upsetting.
	You're saying somebody in Charlie Kirk's circle has a high likelihood of assaulting Charlie Kirk's wife?
	You know, I'm not saying that per se, but like I would not feel comfortable in a room with Charlie Kirk and his friends.
	Okay.
	But I bet his wife does.
	I bet his wife's very comfortable where she is.
	So I hope she just, I'm just saying I hope she's happy.
	Sure.
	Would you feel more comfortable in a room with like Destiny or like some other liberal?
	I don't know who that is.
	You don't know who Destiny is?
	No.
	What about like Harry Sisson or whatever?
	Harry the TikToker?
	Yeah, Harry Sisson, like Democrat?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Now, I'm a little confused, though.
	You said Charlie Kirk and Andrew Tate are similar.
	I do feel they are similar.
	Can you be more specific in what ways are they similar?
	Violence, even if it's not violence physically, like political violence against women.
	Just hating women.
	Can you clarify what you mean by political violence?
	I think they would share a lot of similar views about abortion.
	And can you move your microphone this way and just no no no, scoot it this way, scoot it scooted, scoot it.
	No, this way here.
	Just, I'm following your thumbs but you're moving it too much.
	I'm just trying, I'm just trying to get it aligned with right here.
	No, this way, this way more.
	I mean, can you try to be like straight with the table?
	She's too tall.
	Okay, that's fine.
	Like this political violence how um, Andrew Tate and Charlie Kirk have both expressed, you know, issues against women's rights.
	Well okay, we need to separate Andrew Tate and Charlie Kirk.
	Yeah, I think they have very different views.
	I would categorize, Charlie Kirk, Andrew Tate is worse.
	So Andrew Tate, And by worse, I mean Andrew Tate is more aggressive towards his hate towards women and his disrespect towards women and Charlie Kirk tries to hide it behind Christianity.
	However, they both, I think, value women less than the normal man.
	And that's what I mean.
	That's what I mean.
	They're similar.
	Sure.
	What has led you to believe?
	Well, I'm going to keep it to Charlie Kirk because it's easier for me to do it this way.
	What specifically has Charlie Kirk said that would lead you to believe that?
	That he doesn't want women to get abortions.
	But you said that something about like equal rights or that he doesn't view women as equal or as having the same value as men?
	Yeah.
	Okay, how so?
	Even just saying that women shouldn't be allowed to have an abortion is assuming that they have less rights than men.
	Right.
	It's their bodily anomaly, like their autonomy.
	Well, I'm sure some of the people on the panel want to weigh in on that.
	But okay, so abortion.
	Don't you actually think though, do you consider yourself a feminist?
	No.
	No?
	No, I'd consider myself a misandrist.
	So a feminist?
	No.
	Well, what's the difference between a feminist and a misander?
	A feminist believes that everyone is equal.
	Misandrist believes that women are actually better than men.
	How are they better than men?
	Hold on, hold on.
	So just to be clear, you are making accusations that, well, my understanding of misandry, that would be female supremacy, which I guess could fall under the categorization of misandry.
	But do you hate men?
	No.
	So misandry, what is misandry?
	So misogyny is what's been going on for a really long time, where men are better than women.
	Men deserve more power than women.
	Men are smarter than women.
	Men are stronger than women.
	Blah, blah, blah.
	Misandry believes, you know, I think in a perfect world, women would be in charge of everything.
	And if you look at countries that are happier and better off, women are more in charge.
	And I'm not saying that men suck.
	Men are great.
	Men are needed.
	I'm not saying we should kill all men, whatever.
	Like, I don't support that whole message.
	However, if you look at countries that are doing better, women are in charge of a lot of the government.
	And I think women, because of the system that men have created, which is unfair, men are taught to be more masculine and strong and whatever.
	However, you know, if we were all taught to be equal, I'd be a feminist.
	However, because women have been taught to be more empathetic, a lot of women are just better at handling political and social problems.
	Okay, there's a lot there.
	Let's start with your claim that you're saying that there are countries where there is a predominance of female leadership and these countries are better.
	Yeah.
	Okay, which countries are those?
	A lot of the Scandinavian countries, like I think Copenhagen and like Scandinavian countries.
	Copenhagen is the capital of Denmark.
	Yeah.
	It's not a country, but you're talking about Scandinavian.
	Scandinavian areas are known to be the happiest places on earth.
	And so you're saying those countries are not patriarchies?
	A lot of them, yeah.
	You're saying the Scandinavian countries are not patriarchies.
	I'm not saying that exactly, but I know they have a lot more women in control than the U.S. does, which right now the U.S. is predominantly children by old men.
	Sure.
	And you're saying that these Scandinavian countries, strictly, there's no other factors that might contribute to them being, at least from your worldview, better countries.
	Such as what?
	I don't know, you're the one making the claim.
	How are they better countries?
	Well, the women are in charge and they create rules that are more good for the people of the country rather than the rich people of the country.
	I'm not totally versed on this subject.
	However, based on what I've seen, the countries of the world that have more female leaders are doing are the people in those countries are happier and more well off than the women or just the people in like the U.S. right now, for example.
	How so?
	They get health care.
	They get better.
	Oh, free health care.
	Free health care, just care in general.
	Women get better maternity leave.
	Women get everyone is saying that they're happier in those countries.
	Like, I'm pretty sure Denmark or somewhere just got voted like happiest place on earth for 2025.
	And it's a place run by women.
	And you're saying, like, for example, if we look at Norway, I believe is a country of, what is it, four or five million?
	Something around that.
	You're saying because there's more female leadership in some of these Scandinavian countries that because simply by virtue of that, that's why these countries enjoy like more prosperity or are better.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	You don't think, like, for example, with Norway, it might have to do with their like abundance of natural resources and things like that.
	But you don't think that's because the women who rule that country and who help that country have protected those?
	Donald Trump has taken away so many of our natural resources already, and people are already unhappy about that.
	Well, I can't speak specifically.
	Well, my understanding is this, as it relates to Norway's natural resources, the sort of prosperity that that has granted its citizenry has been in place for many, many decades.
	Very good.
	I'm assuming prior to even the increasing representation of women in its government body.
	Okay.
	So I'm not sure that that has the prosperity of Norway, for example, has anything to do with like current day, perhaps increased representation of women in government.
	However, if you look at the countries that have had increases in women governments and you look at the ones who have had decrease and who have had predominantly men, You can see a vast difference in the amount of environmental protectionism acts and other things that have to do with women's health, child health, anything to do with the goodness of the people.
	I think, and although again, I'm not saying that men are a problem because I know lots of great men, it's just when countries rely on only men for power, I think that's dangerous.
	And in a world where feminism is seen as a bad thing because feminism means only women, I'm going to stick up for only women because a lot of men who claim to be feminists or women who even claim to be feminists still side with like the way things are right now because things are better now than they were in like the 60s.
	A couple clarifying questions here.
	You cited to you cited to Scandinavian countries.
	Yeah.
	Would you say that these women who are there's there's a greater representation of women in the government are they typically white?
	I don't think it matters, but why would it not matter?
	Because I don't think race matters with power.
	But gender does.
	A lot of Scandinavian countries are predominantly white.
	But so I'm just curious, why are you saying these countries are better because there's more women in power?
	Why wouldn't you just make that claim about it's better because of white women?
	Because I think even Africa or Somalia would do better with a black woman leader than the leader they have currently.
	Okay, so going back to your claim about misandry, can you again explain to me when you say you're a misandrist, what does that mean?
	I believe that women have greater intellectual capabilities than men do.
	They have a better way to lead and they are more.
	And I know a lot of men say women are more emotional.
	I think they're just more sympathetic and empathetic to groups of people.
	Okay.
	And what are men?
	So as what I've seen from the world, men are more interested in power than they are in the goodness of their country.
	Men more interested in power.
	And I think women are more interested in making sure that their country is taken care of.
	And that could be wrong.
	I'd love for a man to prove me wrong.
	And some men have proven me wrong in certain countries.
	However, in the mass majority of like the biggest countries, it's been scary to see only men in power saying that women can't be in power because of their emotions, where men make all the emotional destructive decisions.
	What are some of those?
	War.
	What if I told you that if there was a study, for example, and there is, that they did an analysis of female monarchs, female queens.
	Okay.
	And they actually found that the female queens.
	I don't recall the specific date range, but monarchs, right?
	So they found that female queen or queens were much more likely to wage war than kings.
	So this would seem to indicate there's perhaps a greater propensity for violence actually in women.
	Well, you know, one story I know of is one of the queens of France created a war against, I think it was Spain or Italy or something because her husband created unfair decisions between those two.
	I think it was like the queen of something, Mededici or something like that.
	I forget her full name.
	I can't speak Italian.
	Medicis?
	Yeah.
	I know one queen, I know one queen did wage war before her husband because her husband died in war and she wanted to restore peace.
	And I know war, war is a big thing, but if you look at the history of the world, way more wars have been started by men.
	And it's kind of an unfair study to say more women have started wars than men when you look at like, but per capita, per when.
	Because women were often controlled by men's decisions, even if they were queen.
	They were told what to do.
	Just to be clear, the queen was told what to do?
	Yes.
	So both kings and queens have counselors, but they're never told what to do.
	Yeah, they have ultimately.
	Were you there?
	Were you there?
	No, but I've never seen that.
	Then how would you be able to make the claim?
	Because you know, it's just clear that the women who were in power were not actually in power because of stories they've told, stories we've heard of different men telling them, like, by the way, you should do this, because just because you're queen doesn't mean you have political knowledge passed down from you from generations.
	Multiple queens were sold to kings to like just be there.
	Wait, hold on.
	So just to be clear, okay.
	So you have the queen who's married to the king who's in power.
	But like which queen are you talking about?
	Hold on.
	So the monarchy can pass down through hereditary lines.
	It's always in the son, though.
	Right, but if there is no son, it goes to the daughter.
	So it's such a empire.
	We've seen this all throughout history.
	If you look at England, for example, there are plenty of queens.
	When?
	You mean the one that was in power, like the one that just died?
	Yeah, the queen.
	Yeah, the queen.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, and then there was queen.
	I'm not an expert in like the unite, the monarchies of England and Britain, but I believe Queen, was it Queen Victoria?
	Queen Elizabeth?
	The Queen of England?
	Yeah, the Queen of England.
	So there's been plenty of queens who, you know, it wasn't just like thrust upon them through marriage.
	They became the queen through hereditary lines.
	But a majority of queens come through marriage lines.
	Because even if you're the eldest daughter, the castle, the royalty line goes to the oldest son.
	But if there is no eldest son or the son dies, then yes.
	Well, then they kept trying for a son as much as they could.
	Yeah, sure.
	But they would teach the queen, you have to start a war.
	You have to do these things that a man would do.
	The count?
	Who?
	I don't know.
	If all women were involved in being like not just one queen, there wouldn't be any wars.
	There's the wars because all the other men are out there trying to fight.
	So if it was all women, queens.
	Well, you know, there's no way to actually prove it because you'd have to go back in time and change the course of history.
	But I believe that if women were in charge for most of the world, there'd be way less war than there is today.
	So, but what you think that, but that's just an assertion.
	What's the argument for why that would be?
	Because it's, we've only had wars really attacked and chosen by men in this current day and age.
	There's been plenty, again, historically, I can't, I don't have live recall for like a specific war that some queen in the 16th century started.
	Exactly.
	Okay.
	Argentina.
	Thatcher.
	Margaret.
	You got to speak into the mic.
	You got to speak into the mic.
	Margaret Thatcher, Argentina.
	She started the war.
	Margaret Thatcher started the war taking the Malvina Islands from Argentina.
	I'm Argentina.
	I know that part of the story.
	She was a woman.
	And she motivated and she started a war.
	Not to be against you, but it just came to my mind.
	Of course, of course.
	There's many women.
	Excuse me?
	Do you know what the war was started for?
	For the islands.
	The Malvina Islands.
	The islands that are right next to Argentina.
	England took them.
	Margaret Thatcher did.
	She was the first minister of England.
	And I was back there, it was in 1982.
	I wasn't second, I was a junior.
	And there was a war.
	A war, and my country wasn't a war because of Margaret Thatcher.
	I have a second one.
	Christina Kirchner.
	She brought the most violence in Argentina in the history of Argentina.
	Thank you, Seth.
	So I think what you're saying is true, and there's a lot of cases, but there's other cases.
	I think you're focusing on things that really happen.
	I think you're right.
	It happened.
	But no, women brought a lot of violence.
	In any case, both parties are going to commit violence.
	But if you look at per capita, I think men are more likely to commit violence for reasons that aren't justified than women.
	And women at least plan things out a little bit.
	So you're saying men don't plan things out?
	No.
	I don't agree with that.
	You think?
	I mean, it depends.
	I don't know.
	I haven't seen all the war plans of America.
	I haven't seen all the war plans of different countries.
	But if you look at the biggest terrorist groups, the biggest groups that have committed mass violence, all of them are led by men.
	And if you look at the groups that have been led by women, they're much more peaceful per capita.
	No, it's just fundamentally not true.
	Again, they've done analysis per capita.
	If they've looked at female leaders historically, they were just as, if not more likely to start wars than men.
	But when?
	How would why would that matter?
	Because a lot of women in early years were completely controlled by men, even if they were in power or not.
	You don't believe that?
	No, typically with monarchies, the monarch, especially historically, they had absolute power.
	But women aren't in the time in the 16, 17, almost in the 1800s.
	Well, we're talking about the people who are in the world.
	Women who had power.
	Exactly.
	You are too.
	Women who had power were raised and taught by only men, and a lot of their decisions were made by men.
	What do you mean their decisions were made by men?
	They were told what to do.
	They were told what is right.
	They were taught what is right by not women, not like open.
	You know how like in today's world, schools aren't fully allowed to teach religion if they're a public school and not like a Catholic school.
	Women who were born into royalty and who they knew they were going to have to be royalty for the rest of their lives were not taught by parties who were like, you know, they were taught by parties who were very much for one thing.
	Do you think you could maybe give an example?
	I'm sorry.
	Do you think you can give an example maybe?
	Marie Antoinette.
	She's one of my favorite examples.
	Marie Antoinette was beheaded because she said, quote unquote, let them eat cake, even though she never said that.
	She was taken from Austria when she was very young and moved to France.
	She barely even spoke the language.
	She was married to one of the kings.
	And then when the king went under, everyone blamed her for being a bad person and for not caring about the poor when she genuinely had no real clue what was going on.
	She was just kept to be married to the king and then she was beheaded because she was an evil person.
	However, she genuinely had no clue what was happening.
	Do you have another example?
	I'm not completely caught up on English queens and queens, but I've been to Europe and I've heard lots of stories of different queens that have just even if they had their own mind and even if it's documented that they had their own ideas, you have to understand that at that time, every woman's life was controlled by men.
	Their father's word was the word of God.
	They had no clue what was wrong and what was right.
	And so them believing that whatever a man said, like, let's do war, let's do this, let's whatever, they thought it was correct because that was the only thing they were being told.
	It's very sad.
	And I think women had their own ability to.
	Do you want to push back?
	You seem like you want to push back.
	I got to get up.
	Go ahead.
	I'm not sure entirely about this, but I'm pretty sure in the 1900s, maybe 1800s, in England, for, I think it was for the right to vote, they burned a lot of factories down.
	Do you think they were led by men to do that?
	No, I think they were fighting for their rights.
	By burning down factories.
	The factories they were forced to work in for no money?
	Yeah.
	You gotta wage when you're like trying to protest and stuff like that.
	You gotta, you can't be nice with.
	Earlier you said that women in leadership roles don't commit violence.
	I didn't say that.
	You said there'll be society.
	In a misogynistic world where everyone is violent, women are going to be violent inherently.
	They're going to become violent because of the societal, you know, projection of everyone else.
	What's your question?
	Just do you think women?
	Well, earlier you said that women in leadership roles commit violence or don't commit violence.
	And I was just giving you an example of them committing violence.
	I don't consider that as big of a violent act as what men in government have created.
	You know, it's not a genocide.
	It's not some sort of giant war.
	It's them saying what we're going through is completely unfair.
	You're making us work in factories for zero dollars.
	You're abusing us.
	You're sexually abusing us and we're over it and we want equal rights.
	A revolution is different than a war or a genocide.
	But I get your point.
	Equal rights as in not having a job?
	No, as in women being respected as the same way as men.
	Women getting equal pay.
	Women getting equal hours.
	I mean, nowadays it's much different.
	We get very equal stuff somewhat, but back then it was so different.
	Somewhat.
	Somewhat how?
	How they got like dollars and dollars and dollars less than men, how they got different hours, how they got treated differently by the boss, how they got no respect in the workplace.
	No, I mean somewhat, how are we treated unequally now?
	The wage gap is one example.
	Sex the workplace.
	What?
	Sexism in the workplace.
	So you said the wage gap.
	I mean, the wage gap is one.
	That's still a thing.
	You can't deny that.
	It might have changed in some states.
	It might have been different, but it's still an issue.
	There is no wage gap.
	This is a lot of people.
	But women, do you think that women work as well?
	I'm completely debunked by economists.
	But I do think men and women can get paid differently for the same job depending where that instance is taking place.
	Thank you.
	As in, there are men that are willing to do my job for free and would sign up and beg to do my job, and I charge money for what I do.
	Well, really quick on the wage gap, but here, you wanted to go?
	Go ahead.
	Do you think that women work as much as men?
	Depends where you're asking.
	Depends who you're asking.
	It doesn't matter.
	On a general basis.
	Do you think they work?
	In like the office?
	Here, let's do this.
	Explain the wage gap.
	If I applied for one job and a man applied for the same job, a boss is more likely to give a man, even if it's just two pennies more.
	A man is more likely to get my job than I am because a boss who may or might not even be a woman, it's still no.
	Let's say I'm pregnant and I apply for a job.
	I probably will get rejected because I'm pregnant.
	But a man will get that job.
	Even if his wife is pregnant.
	So hold on, hold on.
	Because I'm going to take a leave of absence.
	Yes.
	And it's fair to say, listen, you're completely qualified for this job, but in nine months you're going to give birth.
	I can't handle that.
	What if I get the job and I give birth two years later?
	I would say that when the first hiring process, new hires, they'll want someone that will work for a longer period of time at first.
	Do you think that's fair?
	Yeah.
	I think that's totally fair.
	Wait, hold on.
	Aren't you making an advocation that women should occupy a majority of positions of political power?
	So wouldn't it actually be within your like your logical framework actually okay for discrimination?
	You're just okay with discrimination towards men, but discrimination towards women is not okay.
	I'm not saying that men shouldn't be allowed to be in a political space.
	Aren't you a female supremacist?
	No.
	Hold on, you said you were a misandrist.
	Misandra is different than a female supremacist.
	The way you explained earlier.
	Now listen, a female supremacist would say men should not be allowed.
	I don't think they would necessarily say that.
	That's what I believe.
	I think a male supremacist would say like, oh, well, women could do these sorts of jobs and, you know, but they wouldn't just outright perhaps ban women from the workforce.
	A male supremacist would say women should not be allowed in the political spectrum.
	And I would say that.
	Oh, we're talking about something different now.
	You're talking about the political spectrum.
	We were talking about the work.
	I thought you were talking about political.
	By the way, just to be clear, I'm not making an advocacy.
	I'm not making an advocacy for supremacy one way or the other.
	I'm saying this is probably what they would say.
	But I'm a little confused because you were making an advocation towards, you're saying women are better at XYZ, ergo.
	They should have an overabundance of representation in politics and the workforce.
	I never said that.
	I believe that.
	I personally believe, and I don't speak for everyone in the U.S., I personally believe in a perfect world, women would have a little bit more power.
	Even if they, oh, oh, oh, even if they were just, oh, I said women are better.
	Okay, women.
	And I believe that.
	But I can't enforce that on everyone, and I'm a positive of that.
	Wait, what do you mean you can't enforce it?
	I can't tell everyone in the entire U.S. women are better.
	And if you don't vote for only women, I'm going to kill you.
	I can't say that.
	Well, you could say it.
	But I can't.
	I think women deserve way more recognition in not only the political workspace, but the in like everything workspace, environmental, political, everything workspace.
	Women should get a little bit more, because right now it is mainly men known for being.
	Hold on, we're all over the place here.
	So I want to bring it back to Charlie Kirk, but first, really quick to get through the wage gap.
	So you were saying, so I'm going to put aside the comments about, you know, you're saying that there's inequality when it comes to hiring practices.
	Let's assume both a man has the same job, a woman has the same job.
	When you're sitting, you're essentially making the argument that that woman gets paid, I've heard different numbers, 70 cents, 80 cents, whatever it is.
	Explain that component of it to me, where women make less.
	Women get hired for less than men.
	Sometimes men are more likely to not settle for a smaller amount because women know that they can't get much better jobs in like a high corporate position.
	Men are much more likely to get a higher paying job than women, especially if they don't have kids yet.
	If they already have kids and they're not planning on getting pregnant again, they might get offered more of a salary.
	However, women who even have a little bit of a slight chance of getting pregnant, even if it's not said out loud, it is more likely for them to not get paid or offered a job.
	I'm just curious on that note, but it's kind of diverging a little bit from the wage gap conversation.
	If you were running a business, would you hire a woman who was like seven months pregnant?
	I mean, usually women who are seven months pregnant aren't applying for a job, but it depends on her.
	But you would make the argument, and you made the claim earlier, that it would be unfair for a company to not want to hire a woman who's seven months pregnant.
	I know you're saying that most seven-month women who are pregnant at seven months, they on their own don't want to get a job, but let's assume she is trying to get a job.
	So, if you're running a business and say you're a startup and you have like limited resources, would you hire like a woman who's seven months pregnant?
	Depends how qualified she is.
	That's what I'm saying.
	Let's say she's qualified.
	Fully more than the menu.
	She's super qualified to apply.
	You know, that within two months, she's going to go ahead and take her maternity leave, and you're starting up your business, and the success of your business, and your own capital is on the line.
	And if your business fails, you go out, you lose your own money, your own investment.
	Would you hire that woman?
	Well, you can ask her multiple questions.
	There's multiple women who only get one day of maternity leave and have to go right back to work because if they're new hires, they have to go right back to work.
	That's the law.
	I'm pretty sure it's exceptionally rare for pregnant women to take off one day.
	No, there are some companies that if you are a new hire, you're not allowed maternity leave.
	And you can state that.
	You can say, I know you want a job and I know you're super qualified.
	Answer my question.
	I'm not allowed to offer you maternity leave.
	Would you hire?
	It depends on if they say yes or no.
	I agree that there are some women who are like, they give birth.
	Literally, the placenta is still, it's still attached, and she fucking runs to work.
	Well, no, I mean, it's the, what's it called?
	The umbilical cord is literally hanging out of her vagina, and she runs to work.
	That happens.
	Probably.
	She runs to work in her boss babe heels and she's like, feminism, I'm ready to work.
	Now, putting that aside, do you want to answer my question?
	If you're running a business, would you hire that woman?
	It depends on what she's willing to do.
	She wants to take maternity leave.
	Six months, six weeks?
	What?
	What's the typical six weeks?
	Sure.
	She wants to take six weeks.
	Yeah, I'll hire you.
	Okay, so just to be clear, you're going to hire this critical position.
	And your business is at stake.
	Yeah, if she is more qualified than her male counterparts that have applied for this position, if she's the most qualified person for this position and she says, I will be able to come back to work and do really well, then why not?
	Yeah, I'm going to go ahead and grant for the sake of this conversation that she's much more qualified than the men.
	But she's still leaving you with six, seven, eight weeks where she won't be working for you.
	She'll take it for a team.
	I don't understand how that.
	You can work a little harder during that time and let the woman be working at all.
	No, I'm signed up.
	It just.
	So the other employees have to pick up the slack.
	That's what I'm saying.
	That's what she's saying.
	It depends on the situation completely.
	But companies purposefully not hiring pregnant or suspected to be pregnant women is a big issue.
	It doesn't matter.
	It doesn't matter if they're taking time off.
	Everyone takes time off.
	Everyone's eventually going to take time off.
	Yeah, sure.
	Let me ask you a question.
	A woman-owned business.
	Would you be fine with them not wanting to hire men because they're men?
	No.
	You'd be okay with that.
	No, I would not.
	Everyone should be hired no matter what.
	But let me ask you this: their credentials.
	If a man is more qualified than a woman, hire the man.
	Okay, so just to be clear, you don't think that like a woman who's running a company and she wants to predominantly hire women and not hire men, you would be against that.
	You would say, no, you have to hire men.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	What if the woman had like she had negative experiences with men and she doesn't want to hire men because of that?
	That's emotional.
	I don't think that's something that is.
	I mean, if that has happened, I don't think that's correct.
	I mean, wouldn't you make the argument that a lot of women have had negative experiences with men?
	Yeah, but as in being sexually assaulted in the workplace, like it could be violence, it could be SP.
	I mean, as a business owner, and I am a woman business owner, hiring a male in a forward-facing position would not be good for my business.
	I specialize in photography for married women who are creating private art for their husbands.
	So I have had a male photo editor at one point, but he was into men.
	He wasn't the kind of guy who's going to jerk off to the ladies' pictures.
	So in some positions, men are not fit for the job, even though they would beg to do it because they want to see inside the doors of what happens behind the boudoirs.
	That's a great point.
	I mean, most businesses who aren't dealing with women's naked photos, I think it doesn't matter the gender, and I think discriminating against anyone is not correct.
	However, if you're a boudoir photo editor or someone who specializes in filming or editing naked women, it makes sense for a company to say, I only want women.
	Why?
	Because the customer who's the most important part of the business might say, I don't want a man looking at these photos.
	But in the adult industry, it's mostly men holding the camera and doing the editing, which is why the perspective that most porn is shot from is the male gaze.
	Yeah, but like you said, your company does photos of married women who want to take photos for their husbands.
	If those women say specifically, I'm paying for this service and I don't want a man editing or looking at these photos, I think it's totally valid to only hire women.
	However, in a normal like hold on, sorry, we got the chat coming through.
	Sorry for the delay on this, man.
	Sorry.
	You realize the USA is regarded as the greatest country to exist since the Roman Empire.
	Built on the backs of men.
	Name one thing women are better at that.
	Both genders can do with evidence.
	What do you think about like child care?
	It depends on the couple.
	But no, like a child care company and they discriminate.
	They're a child care company.
	Yeah, like I'm trying to think of an example, like daycare.
	Would you be okay with them discriminating against having male daycare employees?
	They discriminate based on criminal record.
	And if you're in the adult industry, as in they don't think adult industry people should be babysitting kids at a daycare, or if you have a violent criminal record, you have no place in a daycare.
	But their sex or gender of daycare people is irrelevant.
	Yeah, men should not, I'm not saying men should be discriminated against for different positions.
	I'm just saying like, look at everyone.
	And a lot of companies are, because of the way that the world has been set up, a lot of companies are controlled by men.
	And so slowly but surely, the line goes down and women are more and more discriminated against in the workplace because of the way that those companies have treated.
	And I'm not trying to say that like in the 1800s when these companies were started, like Wells Fargo or whatever, that it makes sense for like I'm like not saying that it's bad that a man runs that company.
	I'm saying that it's bad if that man has a history of discriminating.
	But okay, I'd still like to get an answer on this.
	The wage gap.
	Explain precisely what the wage gap is.
	That women get paid less than men for the same job in a lot of different companies.
	I also think women are afraid to ask for more money.
	And there's a lot of women are afraid to ask for more money and they have a lot of like issues with that.
	And men are not afraid of that.
	Men will ask, hey, I need this, this, and that.
	And woman is very much not like that.
	So the men take advantage of that also.
	But so what I'm asking, though, is when we're looking at the wage gap, when you hear these numbers, what specifically is it looking at?
	What do you mean?
	So are you comparing all the money that women make in the country versus all the money that the men make in the country?
	So what specifically are you saying it's controlled?
	No.
	I'm saying in a lot of different jobs, might not be this one, it might not be other jobs in LA specifically, but in a lot of jobs, if I applied for a job and a male counterpart of mine applied for a job, a male would be offered more money or given more money for a very similar job because he's a man.
	And even if you haven't seen that your very self in this industry that you work in, it is still a thing in a lot of industries.
	Well, my industry that I work in, I can talk broadly about the entertainment industry.
	You live in Los Angeles, for example.
	There's been actually hiring practices where they're actually excluding the hiring of white people and white men specifically, and men specifically.
	There's massive amounts of affirmative action in the entertainment industry.
	So this idea that there's like, and it's not just affirmative action in the entertainment industry.
	We see this in all industries.
	Women predominate in HR and women are overwhelmingly the one who are making hiring decisions at these companies.
	I would just, I guess what I'm trying to get to with the wage gap is.
	So the wage gap doesn't, the one that's often cited, 72 cents, 82 cents, 84 cents, who knows?
	It's always changing.
	Is it's looking at the full-time earnings of all women and comparing it to the full-time earnings of all men.
	It doesn't account for hours worked.
	It doesn't account for overtime.
	It doesn't account for commute time.
	It doesn't account for hazard pay.
	It doesn't account for the type of job.
	It doesn't count for like a dozen different metrics.
	It's just simply comparing the money that women make to the money that men make.
	And so if it was the case that men work more, for example, which they do, men work more hours than women, you start to see it shrink.
	And then if you start looking at specific industries and you compare like for like, it shrinks more.
	You'd agree with me that men and women pursue different things when it comes to college education, academia, and career.
	But do you know why?
	Choice.
	No.
	Yes, it's absolutely choice.
	Women have any choice that they can pursue.
	You have a tax attorney, a corporate attorney on the panel.
	Okay.
	She's not relegated to being a secretary.
	I'm not saying that.
	And she's also an immigrant, too.
	She's an immigrant and a woman and a would you consider her a person of color?
	Yeah, this one I would agree that it's really your personal pursuit whether you want to stick with your dream.
	And I don't personally think there's like a significant wage gap.
	I can only speak to my own industry that I have compared salaries with my colleagues.
	Of course, we all, no matter like men or women, we all started pretty much similar salary.
	I think the only wage gap that could happen later on was because, of course, women, they have childbearing responsibility, they have child care responsibilities because usually I have to say the women have to make more sacrifices in the early stage after the child is born.
	So they have to take a lot more time off to take care of the child and maybe have to make difficult career decisions to step back from promotion opportunities.
	But I think from the starting point, I think we are pretty equal in terms of my industry.
	However, would you agree that more women since birth are pushed to being things that make less money than men?
	I think that's more a personal choice.
	Like some women, they may choose to step back and take a more, to have more work-life balance to take care of their family.
	So that's why they will go into like HR and secretary jobs.
	And of course, women who are more, who choose to be more ambitious and career-oriented, they may take on some more difficult jobs like becoming a doctor or lawyer or some other kind of leadership position.
	Have you only lived in Los Angeles?
	I have actually lived in China, in Canada, and Europe, and US.
	Okay, so lots of liberal areas.
	I wouldn't say so because Canada, Europe.
	I wouldn't say China.
	I mean, I mean, Americans, American government has been always saying there's so much propaganda going on in China.
	So I wouldn't say China is like liberal.
	And actually a lot of Americans think China is very behind on liberal issues.
	Of course.
	But I mean in like the states and like whatever.
	Have you only lived in LA and where'd you say?
	LA and DC.
	But I don't think your political opinions or your personal values are affected by like where you are geographically located.
	Well I know plenty of people who grew up in like more conservative areas, smaller towns, southern towns, who would say that since birth they have been pushed towards more idealistic feminist feminism gender roles where like they were told to be more girly and to not apply themselves to more male issues.
	As in like the parents who tell their daughters just to go to college so they can find a husband.
	Exactly.
	So my mother's father, who is a World War II that was in the Navy, he sent all of his daughters to college so they could go find husbands.
	Now that is still a thing.
	There's also generational, like I'm from a town where there's women who are generationally having babies to live off of welfare.
	And that is something that was like their mother raised them that way and they think that they just need to get knocked up.
	They don't need to be with the man so they get the government benefits.
	There are problems with the United States.
	So I think sometimes immigrants have a better attitude coming into the U.S. and they honestly feel like the world is their oyster.
	Whereas when you're born, whether I think your economic or financial situation makes a big difference on the type of opportunities or fair wages that you get.
	I think a lot of women barely graduate high school, already have kids.
	There was a daycare in the high school in the city that I went to.
	I mean, those women never got to figure out who they were or wanted to be, but they're already mothers of two and they're dealing with that.
	Now they're 30 messaging or 35 messaging me on Facebook saying, your life looks like so much fun.
	Because I am single, haven't had kids, no divorces.
	On paper, I'm like total wifey material.
	Something people say to me is like, it's not fair that you're talking about these issues when you don't have these issues.
	I'm very lucky to be growing.
	I grew up in Los Angeles, California, very liberal.
	I grew up with very liberal parents.
	I'm not poor.
	I have a good life.
	I went to a good liberal high school and I go to a college.
	You know, I have so many wonderful rights.
	But when you look at the entire United States, if you look at the poor little states, poor little cities in Alabama, South Carolina, like all the red states.
	Red states.
	If you look at the city.
	If you look at the small cities in little states that have issues.
	I grew up very close to the Amish country.
	Yeah.
	Virginville, Blue Ball, Intercourse, Pennsylvania, those...
	Even Pennsylvania, Amish country.
	There is all sorts of things happening and men who are told they have to marry a woman and there's a lot of arranged marriage, but these guys are actually on grinder.
	Exactly.
	You know, I drove through the town with my friend who prefers men and he got on the app and he couldn't believe all these hot farmer boys that are popping up.
	I'm sorry, what does this have to do with the wage gap?
	But so back to this.
	It depends where you are, where you are, and it depends how you're raised with the wage gap.
	Because you're certainly not talking about entry-level positions.
	Like a Domino's Pizza hires people at minimum wage, no matter if you're a lady.
	Right.
	Or like in Los Angeles, the wage gap is way less likely to be found.
	Well, actually, in major cities, if you look at single childless women between the ages of 18 to 29 in most like metro city areas, they actually out-earn men.
	So again, but I guess when it comes to the wage gap, there is an earnings gap.
	So, the earnings gap is you're not looking at factors like hours worked.
	You're not looking at job.
	You're just literally comparing the money that men make and the money that women make.
	There's an earnings gap.
	The question you need to ask yourself is not whether it exists, but why it exists.
	You would probably say it's due to sexism and patriarchy and misogyny and all this stuff.
	I don't think it has anything to do with sexism, really.
	So, what does it have to do?
	Well, you know what?
	I'll actually make the argument it does have to do with sexism.
	It has to do with women's sexism.
	Such as?
	Sure, I'll give you a couple examples.
	Would you say that people who are motivated are more likely to earn more money?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Would you say that people who have a desire for status are more likely to earn more money?
	Yeah.
	When it comes to dating, it is a dating podcast after all.
	Right.
	I don't know if your own preferences are going to align with this.
	Would you say that men or women are more likely to prefer a higher-earning partner?
	I don't know.
	You don't know?
	Okay, what about status?
	Do you think men or women have a preference for status in a partner?
	I don't know.
	You know, I think men prefer women of lower status so that they can be more dominating in their relationship.
	Men often fear women who have more status or more money.
	I would dispute that, but I'll go ahead and do that.
	For the sake of conversation, for the sake of argument, I'll go ahead and grant that.
	Is that your actual worldview?
	I would say, because of, and not because of my views or because of their views, because of the way that the U.S. has been shaped with men being on top.
	Not a bad thing.
	It just happened that way because of the way that we evolved or whatever.
	When you say evolved, what do you mean?
	Are you saying there's like natural evolutionary because reasons?
	So if we go all the way back to like the start of evolution, women were known to stay more at the home or the little hut or whatever to take care of.
	Right.
	To take care of the children and the crops in the society.
	One question, one question, really quick.
	Wait, wait, wait, wait, one question.
	Wait, wait.
	I swear I'll let you finish.
	I just got one quick question.
	Back in the hut days, the cave days.
	Yeah.
	Were there air-conditioned office jobs?
	No.
	Okay.
	Go ahead, continue.
	Women were more likely to stay home because they were more valuable.
	Men can impregnate multiple women.
	Women can't be pregnant with multiple people at once.
	You're saying men were chosen to go out and hunt because if one of them dies in the hunt, it's not as irreparable damage as if a woman died.
	Wait, so women, even historically speaking, were more valued than men?
	Yes.
	Wouldn't that totally contradict everything?
	Slowly, because slowly, as men realized that they could leverage the fact that they went out and, quote unquote, provided.
	Can I just say one thing?
	There would be no men without women.
	So like there would be no women without men.
	There would be no food source without men.
	Well, women could eventually go hunt, but men would say, men would say, we're going to go hunt because if three out of ten men die, it's way better for the society.
	And is that your view?
	No, that's not.
	Are you saying men are disposable?
	Just no.
	Well, you just said it's better if men die.
	In the olden days when there was no anything that was happening and it was just like caves and animals and fire, society is kind of failed.
	It made more sense for men to go hunt.
	If one man died, you could still keep the society alive.
	Was the patriarchy stronger back then or the patriarchy stronger now?
	The patriarchy is stronger now.
	Wait, hold on.
	The patriarchy is stronger now?
	Of men thinking that they're greater than women?
	And believing that they're more in charge of women?
	What does that have to do with patriarchy?
	That is the patriarchy.
	Men controlling more of what's going on.
	Wait, so today, when women have the right to vote, the patriarchy is stronger?
	Well, there was no voting back then.
	Well, there was a period of time where more men had the right to vote.
	Well, right when voting started was when the men of the very primal societies started being like, wait, we're hunting, we're stronger, and we can control you.
	And slowly, women started being pushed aside and being told you're only allowed to do that.
	Another religion religion emerged, and men created a rhetoric that they were more valuable than women.
	And even if that's not a value that's today, like men aren't really allowed to say like men are better than women at this stage of life, it was a big thing back then.
	I actually reject the premise, but that men thought they were better than back then in the 1600s.
	Yeah, I mean, look, I'm not a Christian apologist, but my understanding of Christianity.
	Hold on, let me finish.
	My understanding of Christianity is that there was a complementarian view insofar as men and women were different, but in terms of your value as a human being, your value, there's a specific term that I'll have to look up.
	There is actual equality between men and women in terms of your life value.
	But in terms of differences, of course, there's differences between men and women.
	And you would agree because you said that men are stronger than women and men were sent out to be disposable.
	And if they died, not a big deal.
	So wouldn't you actually, wouldn't you have to then make the argument that actually if women were more valued in society by the means of protection, you said, well, we're going to keep the women safe.
	They don't have to go out and do the dangerous, dirty activities, hunting, for example.
	Wouldn't this actually be evidence of like valuing women over men?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	However, I said slowly that started to shift because as different inventions popped up and religion popped up and cities popped up, men who were quote unquote stronger and who created this whole rhetoric of like women need to stay home started evolving and excluding women from that.
	Started becoming like philosophers and people who created religion and people who created jobs.
	Those were all men.
	Okay.
	And slowly they pushed women down because, you know, it's human.
	It's human to want to be better than.
	It's human to want to win.
	It's survival.
	However, these men started just valuing women as objects.
	Let me ask you a question.
	And software next, like put down on the floor.
	Like, you know, like they, the way society worked, women were on the bottom, like with their life put down, and men were just running shit.
	I mean, this is just fundamentally untrue.
	How?
	Okay, you guys are committing an apex fallacy.
	You're looking at a very small proportion of men and saying, like, do you genuinely think in like feudal Europe that all the men, because they were men, had like fantastic lives and men just loved it and all men had power.
	The reality is.0001% of men had any sort of power.
	There were some women who had some power.
	And then if you look at the vast majority of everybody, they had no power whatsoever.
	Both men and women were oppressed.
	And you can make convincing arguments that actually men had it worse in many ways.
	In what ways?
	Historically and modern day.
	In what ways?
	Yeah, sure.
	So men were basically worker slaves, worker bees.
	They worked like extremely dangerous physically.
	Who made them do that?
	How would that matter?
	Men?
	That sounds like victim blaming.
	That sounds like victim blaming to me.
	But what would you do?
	But it's the question of who was.
	What does it have to do if they're men or not?
	I could just make the, I could just go to socioeconomic or class.
	I could just be like, it's the rich people.
	Why?
	What does it matter if it's men?
	There's only two sexes.
	Because even though we can't prove it, and that's why this argument is so.
	You can't prove it.
	Okay, are you going to listen to me, though?
	Are you going to listen?
	Go ahead.
	Even though we can't prove it, men have been in the front lines of almost everything that has really gone wrong in the world, and women have not been there.
	And have always been there through proxy.
	But proxy of men controlling their lives.
	No, no.
	How so?
	You're making the claim you have to present the evidence that the men were controlling their lives.
	Every queen had a king, and the king was the ruler.
	Well, actually, she could get beat to death if she argued with him.
	You know what I mean?
	Hold, okay.
	First off, if a king, if he marries a woman, she becomes the queen, but he is the number one in power.
	Exactly.
	But a queen, she doesn't elevate, like if she gets married, she doesn't elevate that guy.
	He doesn't become king.
	He becomes queen consort.
	So it's not like if the woman who was queen gets married, that the man she's married to all of a sudden has like any sort of predomination in the relationship.
	She has a father?
	Yeah.
	Women portrayed it as happy.
	No, if she's the queen, the father's dead.
	Her father would have been the king.
	And then the father is.
	She had a father that taught her everything she knew.
	And that father would have also taught his sons in the same way.
	Are you talking about like, and when I use this word, I don't mean it in the way most people take it.
	You're talking about like grooming royalty, like grooming for leadership.
	Yes, that's exactly what happens.
	Yes, but both sons and daughters were groomed into leadership positions different ways.
	No, it was exactly the same.
	But, okay.
	Okay.
	Can I ask you a question?
	So, what do you like about your boyfriend?
	I believe you're in a relationship, right?
	If you believe that women are better in many aspects, so do you believe that you are better than your boyfriend in almost every single aspect?
	You know, talking about like a very small, like one-on-one ideal, maybe.
	But, you know, not in a philosophy.
	I acknowledge.
	I acknowledge that in many ways, you know, in some of the arguments we have or whatever, I tend to be a little bit more forgiving than he is.
	I tend to be a little less emotional than he is.
	However, because he's a really great person and he has been taught, he has like eight sisters.
	He's been taught, he says all the time, like, I am the way I am because I was raised by so many women.
	So, question, do you feel like you have a more masculine role in the relationship?
	Seeing as he moved in with you, which would typically be something like the girl would do with the guy.
	You know, no, because I do acknowledge him as the masculine part.
	However, you know, if you're talking about predominant, like, like, do you wear the pants in the family?
	You know, do you handle the finances?
	Do you technically, yes, but I enjoy, I enjoy him being.
	But would you say that's a non-traditional relationship?
	I would.
	So I think there's nothing wrong with having views, and I feel like her relationship kind of mirrors her views.
	Yeah.
	And she has a son who knows what I believe in.
	We have debates every once in a while.
	Like, we're very open with talking with each other about this stuff.
	And, you know, he's very comfortable with who I am.
	I'm comfortable with who he is.
	So you think he'll give you a round of applause by listening to this?
	Oh, yes, he will.
	He listened to my whole Charlie Kirk thing.
	He said he was on my side.
	He was.
	Do you think?
	Never mind.
	Okay.
	Do I think what?
	He said he was just saying that to get in my pants.
	How did you come to that conclusion?
	Out of the look in your eyes.
	The look in my eyes?
	Like you wanted to instigate.
	Hold on.
	Here was the.
	I think I said, was it because like that was the extent of the sentence.
	How did you gather?
	That's the only thing I could think that you could do.
	I just wanted to finish my point on the wage gap because I was pointing out how it's actually, the wage gap could actually be due to sexism, but due to women's sexism.
	Such as do you want a guy to pay for the first date?
	I don't care.
	You don't care?
	I'll offer.
	On the first date with your current boyfriend, did he pay for the date?
	I don't know.
	I think we split it.
	Does he ever pay for dates?
	Yeah.
	He asks all the time.
	Sometimes I'll sneak up and force him to pay.
	Sounds like he's not calling us.
	I mean, I'll force myself to pay.
	I'll sneak off, be like, I'm going to the bathroom, and then I'll slip my card.
	Let's hear from the rest of the panel.
	Yes.
	Do you want a guy to pay for the first date?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	I've paid for first date.
	Sure, I don't dispute that women on occasion will pay for a first date.
	Of all the first dates you've been on, if you had to say like a percentage, what percent of the time does the guy pay for the first date?
	A lot of the guys that I date in my personal life are not as financially.
	They're broke?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Period.
	But overwhelmingly, the majority of the time, do men pay for the first date for you?
	Yeah, when I'm going out, there's different levels of guys I date.
	There's guys that are hot and like fuck with status.
	That's the guys I will take out.
	But the guys that are more of the husband material, yes, I would have been paying for the date.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	Do you, when you go on first dates, who pays for the date?
	Definitely the men pay for the first date.
	But it's just the first date doesn't mean he has to pay for any future date.
	But of the, okay, of the people you have dated where it went beyond the first date, was there still a pattern of him paying for dates beyond the first date?
	I think generally the men would pay for, would have a bigger share of the cost.
	But also it depends on the income level, socioeconomic status of the men I date.
	Or you're an attorney, do you date many men who work at McDonald's?
	No.
	No.
	You typically?
	But I bet if she met a really hot musician who like plays her song, she would totally potentially go out on some dates with him.
	Would you marry him?
	Would you marry a guy who made like $50,000 a year?
	I think just from a realistic standpoint, it would be hard to have a long-term relationship because I have a different perception about money.
	So if I want to go on an expensive vacation, I don't want to cover 100% the cost for a man who makes a lot less money than I do.
	You would want to date a guy who makes maybe about as much as you can.
	Yeah, or kind of less than me is okay.
	But at least we need to have the same perception about money.
	Like for example, even if I'm dating a super rich guy, but I want to go on an expensive vacation just to treat ourselves, but then he'll be like, no, I want to save the money, even though you make like a million dollars a year.
	So I think it's all about whether your perceptions are aligned.
	Okay.
	What about you, first dates?
	Do you pay?
	Does the guy pay?
	I definitely prefer if the man pays.
	And if it's a situation where we're splitting or I'm paying, the guy definitely gets docked in boyfriend potential points.
	Oh, so he's like, he almost gets friend zoned after that.
	So let's say you're on a date, you guys went out for dinner, the waiter comes and he's like two checks.
	You're saying you would dock points.
	100%.
	And I think whoever be a second person.
	I think whoever picks the restaurant, and let's say you pick a very, very expensive restaurant, then you should be willing to pay if the other party, when the check comes, doesn't reach you.
	What about you?
	I think the men should pay on the first date.
	What about you?
	The men should pay.
	Felicity, what about you?
	Men should pay.
	Okay.
	Well, Maren, you've heard quite a few women here.
	Are any of you consider yourself more liberal or feminist?
	I don't consider myself any of that.
	Do you consider yourself more liberal?
	I don't think I'm very liberal.
	A little bit conservative, I would say.
	Okay.
	Well, so, Maren, let's go ahead and just say that there are no liberal women, no liberal women who ever want men to pay for first dates, which I actually think is there.
	I think there's actually a lot of liberal women who still want men to adhere to more traditional dating standards.
	Hold on, let me tell you.
	It's always nice if a man pays.
	It's always like, oh, thank you.
	But do you think men can get away with saying, eh, it's nice when women pay?
	Yes.
	Well, they can get away with saying that, but can they expect?
	Because normally when women pay?
	Sure, I'll grant that.
	But do you think that men can realistically go into a date with the expectation that the woman's going to pay the entire bill?
	I wouldn't say anyone should go into a date expecting that someone's going to pay the entire bill.
	I've only been on a couple dates.
	I've always said, I'll pay for my food.
	I don't, it's a first date.
	You don't even know me.
	We might not even get along.
	How many first dates have you been on?
	Less than five.
	Have you split all of them or has the guy ever paid?
	You've split all of them?
	Sometimes they're like, no, please let me pay.
	Please let me pay.
	And I'm not going to say no.
	But I'll say, no, I promise I can pay.
	I don't want you to pay my whole bill.
	We just met.
	And sometimes they'll be like, it's okay, fine, you can pay.
	And I'm totally fine paying.
	And it doesn't mean I'm going to count them out of my life.
	Sure.
	So I guess to just, I guess, wrap up on this, the argument that I was making here is that even if there was only, say, 50% of the female population that had a strong preference towards men being providers and for men paying for dates, men paying another ways, whatever it is, this would actually indicate that there's a mating pressure that exists on men that doesn't exist the other way.
	So by women's own dating preferences, and this is not just, I think, a social construct, but also I think there's a biological evolutionary basis for women wanting providers.
	And when you were talking about the days of huts and the days of caves, you know, the men went out and hunted and the women stayed.
	The men were providers.
	The men were protectors.
	I think based on women's own stated, not just stated, but actual preferences as it relates to what they find attractive in a long-term partner, which typically relates to a man who's capable of providing.
	And you heard it from here.
	We've heard it a bunch from women on the show.
	If the guy won't pay for the first date, that's it.
	I think that this- I haven't said that's it.
	I said he got docked points.
	Okay, fair enough.
	Whatever it is.
	You can redeem yourself.
	Yeah, I guess that's what I'm saying.
	Okay, but he has to work harder in some other metrics.
	Because anytime you're in a first date, that's fine.
	I'm not going to get into the weeds with you.
	I'm going to finish my date.
	You pay for the date when you're going out on your first date.
	Do you pay for dinner?
	Yeah, I pay.
	So the point I was trying to make here is that if women have this mating pressure that exists that doesn't exist the other way back, like I, if I'm going to be going out on a date with a woman, there's no world that exists where I'm going to either have the assumption, like women do, or even think it's a possibility that when I go on a date with her, she's going to pay the entire thing.
	It's dubious if she'll even go 50-50.
	I've had that.
	That's happened.
	But the majority of the time, there is a very strong expectation that men are going to pay on first dates.
	This is something, this is not like some patriarchal system.
	This is actually a system.
	Hold on, I'll get to you in a sec.
	This is a system that women enforce.
	This isn't like men aren't forcing women to have a preference towards providers.
	I'm sure men would like be super enthused if women were just simping for them all the time and just like, here's money, taking them on dates.
	The reality is, is women place a mating pressure on men that doesn't exist the other way.
	And this, and there's plenty of other factors, but I think looking at this alone would explain any supposed or alleged wage gap that exists.
	Because if men, essentially, it boils down to this.
	Women are saying, you can't have sex with me.
	You can't be in a relationship with me.
	You won't be able to reproduce, which is like a biological imperative for both sexes.
	But as it relates to men, we all need each other for sure.
	But if women are basically saying, I won't date you, I won't have sex with you, I won't give you my time, I won't give you my attention, I won't give you children down the road, essentially, because dating leads to relationship, leads to marriage, leads to children.
	Seems like that's a really big mating pressure on men.
	So if men, like somewhere back, either it's in their conscious or subconscious brain, are thinking, if I don't have a high paying, high-status job, and that's going to prevent me from getting a partner and getting a woman and eventually having children, I think that that would be a massive motivating pressure that women are putting on men that would lead them to greater motivation and greater achievement and ultimately greater earnings.
	So the earnings gap, the wage gap, whatever you like to call it, is actually explained by women's sexism.
	Go ahead.
	If I understand where you're coming from.
	However, if you take what you're saying and put it towards the history of the world, let's just talk about the U.S. for a second.
	The history of the U.S. 50s, 40s, 30s, 20s, 10s.
	What about it?
	Men had the jobs and women often did not get hired.
	Women often had no job.
	Women often were not invited to have a job.
	And women often just weren't even allowed to have a job.
	Their job was to find a man, get married, and have children.
	So.
	Women have always worked, but.
	But, but what?
	In like a small factory for a penny an hour while men were in like actual jobs?
	You think in the 1920s there were like an abundance of cushy jobs?
	Like 99%, hold on, 99% of men had like, and they had super dangerous.
	And women weren't allowed to work in those jobs even if they weren't.
	Wait, let me ask you a question.
	No, no, no, that's fine.
	Let me ask you a question.
	You're living one quick question and I promise I'll let you finish.
	You're living in 1930s, 1920s, Pennsylvania.
	Yeah.
	With the coal mines.
	You have a choice.
	You can go into the coal mines as a woman.
	You can be the first.
	Well, hold on.
	I'm going to go to the next one.
	Black Dance is my favorite movie.
	Okay, great.
	Totally.
	Great.
	Thank you for that non-sequitur.
	So anyways, let's say you had a choice.
	You could go into the coal mines.
	Okay.
	And get black lung and die like in your 30s or 40s of lung cancer.
	Totally.
	Or you could stay home and be a homemaker.
	Which would you prefer?
	Which was I allowed to do?
	No, which would you prefer?
	If I was broke, probably a coal miner.
	Because people, nope, that's my answer.
	But hold on, answer the question.
	If you had the choice, and here are your two choices, to be a homemaker and your husband goes into the coal mines, or you get to go into the coal mines and I guess your husband stays home.
	I don't know what the deal is.
	But the problem with your question is that women back then did not get a choice.
	Okay, sure.
	I'm going to take a look at the children.
	They were told, you can't work in this coal mine, too dangerous for you, too whatever.
	No, they were told your job is to be a homemaker.
	Even if you don't have kids, no, no, even if you don't have kids, your job as a woman is not to work in some sort of a physical demanding job.
	It's not to be a CEO.
	It's not to be anything.
	No, but it's not to be anything that involves work.
	Women do not really get jobs.
	You can be a receptionist in the 50s if you want.
	But other than that, women were not given the choice.
	Even if you're a single woman by yourself with no kids who needs money because you're going to be homeless.
	I'm answering right now.
	You're not answering.
	You were not given the choice to work.
	Women did have the choice to work and they did work.
	Barely.
	What?
	Like triangle shirtwaist factory.
	Like it was not a situation where lots of women were available to work.
	And so through generations and slow decline where women were slowly able to work more, it was still a very normal, like almost taught thing for women to not work.
	And nowadays it's so much common for women to work, which is great.
	However, you want to answer the question though?
	What is it?
	Okay, if you had the choice between being a homemaker or working in a coal mine and like dying of emphysema in your 40s in 1920s?
	Sure, 1920s.
	I wouldn't get the choice.
	That's my choice.
	Let's say you did.
	It's a hypothetical.
	If I begged and pleaded.
	It has nothing to do with me.
	I would pick the coal mine.
	You know what?
	They're putting out the coal mine's putting out a program.
	They're like, we're going to hire one woman.
	So you do get the choice.
	I would want to work.
	You'd prefer to work in the coal mine than be a homemaker.
	Yes.
	Really?
	If I was by myself and I didn't have money and I needed money to live, yeah, I'd rather work in the coal mine.
	That's not really the purview of the hypothetical.
	You're adding.
	But the hypothetical doesn't make any sense.
	I'm trying to work.
	If I had the choice and my life was perfect, obviously I wouldn't want to work in a coal mine.
	But back then, there weren't that many options.
	And if I was a poor woman who didn't have a source of income, who didn't have a husband, I would much rather work in a coal mine than sit in a house by myself.
	A house I couldn't afford because I didn't have a job because I wasn't allowed one.
	I would have to marry a man.
	That is my job back then.
	Throughout all this, this claim that women weren't allowed to work through history is just demonstrably false.
	Women have always been able to work.
	But what?
	Out of 100 women, 10 women could work?
	All women could work, but many women opted.
	It was just the sort of soda.
	You're so wrong about that.
	How am I wrong?
	Because women were often never hired.
	And if they were hired, they were hired for much less money than they deserved.
	What evidence do you have for this?
	History books.
	Okay, let me ask you a question.
	And I want to move off of the wage gap here pretty soon.
	My grandpa was a coal miner.
	So just like that.
	Okay, thank you for that.
	I just heard that.
	I was like, if it was actually the case that women were paid more than men, what's actually stopping companies?
	And you would agree that companies, their goal is to make money?
	Would you agree with me that corporations are extremely greedy?
	Yes.
	And their primary goal is to generate profit.
	Yeah.
	Like, you would agree that you might say that corporations, like there is sexism in corporations.
	You'd probably argue that because men occupy the highest positions in these corporations, like they're part of the executive team, they're part of the board, whatever, the CEOs, et cetera.
	You would say that there could be sexism in these corporations.
	There could be.
	Right.
	Or you probably say that there is.
	So, but you would agree that also corporations' primary motive is profit and money.
	Yeah, of course.
	Okay, so do you think that corporations prioritize their alleged or supposed sexism over making money?
	No.
	Okay, so then if that was genuinely the case, that you could genuinely get away with paying women less, what is stopping from corporations just exclusively hiring women and saving like 30% or 20% on their payroll expenses and beating out their competitors by only hiring women?
	Because men believe that men make more money and men are better at their jobs.
	So a CEO man who is sexist, I mean, I don't know these people.
	But you're saying it's the case that women are just as good as men.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	So then if that's the case, if that's your worldview.
	That's mine.
	That's not a man's.
	That's not every man's worldview.
	Okay, so, but what is again?
	If it's actually true that you can get away with paying these women 30% 20, Why don't the companies just hire women because they don't like women?
	But I thought profit was the ultimate motivator.
	Not just like boys club sexism Yeah, but they'll get a.
	They'll scared.
	They're gonna get a.
	What's it called a lawsuit?
	They're scared.
	They're gonna get a lawsuit.
	A sexism lawsuit, an ageism lawsuit, a pregnancy lawsuit?
	They're scared.
	There's literally women.
	There's only there's gyms just for women out here in uh, in the valley, and men sue because they can't come in.
	So like, people don't know, it's uh hypothetical situation.
	If you can bring in a male CEO who is known for discriminating against women and ask him these questions and he gives you real answers, I'd love to see that.
	However, they're all gonna tell you bullshit.
	What are they gonna tell you?
	That the men they hire are just great and they didn't mean to discriminate and they didn't mean to do any of this stuff, but it's.
	You know it's hard to get the truth out of these people, but if you look at everything, I mean the thing is, is that this wage gap thing?
	It's been legislated against since the 1960s.
	So how do you so if you can prove, as a woman, that there is an actual discrepancy between wages between your male co-workers, you can bring a lawsuit.
	But that's the problem is, people do things so secretively now.
	Ageism racism sexism, all of it, but okay, that can be done in such ways where it's avoidable to be sued against.
	I think look, ultimately it's definitely not as bad as it used to be.
	I'm not saying like the sexism in the workplace is as bad as it was in the 60s or 50s.
	It's way better now and i'm so grateful that it's better now.
	However, it still exists and acknowledg and acknowledging that it's still, even if it's like only five percent exists, it's still there.
	So you're saying 95 cents to a dollar?
	I don't, I don't know.
	What do you think is the number?
	I don't know.
	Well, you said there's a wage gap.
	You would have to articulate what that is.
	For me, it depends on each person.
	What do you think about Google, for example?
	They did this internal audit hoping to reinforce some of this feminist nonsense, and it actually found that uh, they were overpaying women.
	Okay, so this, would this be evidence of sexism against men?
	Yeah, they can take it down, they can do whatever they want.
	Why were they paying more women before that?
	Like because they, the men, were okay, so they were paying those women more because priorly they were not paying women properly.
	So they're gonna overcompensate that time because women were not getting paid a lot.
	So then, when they want to look good, they want to look good to society.
	Just i'm asking, i'm asking, did they find out why they were paying women?
	Was a woman, she well wouldn't you, wouldn't you hold on?
	So what do you mean by why?
	I mean, did they say, like, oh, we accidentally did this, or were they doing that on purpose?
	Well, let me ask you quite what.
	What would it actually matter if it's on purpose or not?
	Because if they accidentally said, oh, all these women's performances, Performances were just better and we gave them raises and we didn't realize that it was only women, Wouldn't that have to apply the other way towards men too?
	Yeah.
	But you would make the claim if there was actually merit for the men being paid more for whatever reason that is, you would probably make the argument that that would be due to like sexism and the wage gap.
	You can't say probably.
	If a company showed proof that all the men were working harder and doing better than the women, I would have zero problem with the men being paid more than the women of that company.
	Wouldn't you just argue that, oh, it's just the boys?
	I just, it depends.
	Well, that's, I mean, isn't that the basis of your whole thing?
	Everything just depends, though.
	Okay, everything just depends.
	So if it's the case that you found a company where, yeah, the men were making 10% more, you would probably say there must be a wage gap due to sexism.
	But if the women is it every single man of the company, even one who has no position, that's better than a woman, and the women are making less than the men who they're higher than, maybe then it's worth looking into.
	But if it's a very obvious just distribution of wealth, like the men are actually doing better than the women, and you know, some men are getting paid less, but some women are getting paid more, but most men are getting paid more, then you can say, you know, it's the company's, it's the company's job to pay who's doing better.
	So you do acknowledge there are scenarios in which the men are genuinely doing better ergo.
	They deserve to be paid more?
	Yeah, I've never said that's wrong.
	It's when a company pays men who are even doing worse than women way more than women that it's a problem.
	Well, how would you establish that?
	If they can show proof.
	And in which case I would agree with you, they could bring some sort of sex discrimination lawsuit.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	But it's not clear to me if that's even happening on a wide scale.
	Okay.
	Again, look, I'll just repeat myself here at this point.
	The wage gap is simply argued away.
	It's an earnings gap.
	It simply compares all the earnings of men to all the earnings of women.
	But I'm not talking about the earnings gap.
	Okay, you're talking about the wage gap?
	Like if a man and a woman apply for the exact same position, the payment difference.
	I'm not talking about more women don't have jobs than men and women make less than men overall per capita of the entire U.S.
	Yeah, couldn't you see a difference between two men though?
	So for example, one of the men negotiates for a higher salary than the other man does.
	Same job.
	It's same exact job, but I mean, wouldn't you agree that there's a component of the company is going to make you an offer and then there's going to be a negotiation?
	Some people might not even negotiate and they're just going to take the first offer that comes to them.
	That goes back to her point about women stereotypically don't know how to negotiate for themselves and ask more.
	Some men who maybe weren't raised with a good relationship with money or how if their parents weren't wealthy, they don't know that they can negotiate for more.
	So it is all based on, I think, how you were raised.
	But also a lot of the time women who speak up for themselves are told that they are like aggressive and disrespectful and rude.
	Whereas men who speak up for themselves about money are like ambitious and awesome and they're going for it, you know?
	So it's just there's so many different factors.
	I got to read a couple chats here.
	We do have to move on.
	Oh, from the freaky men.
	Freaky men.
	Where is Andrew?
	Chair one.
	Hello.
	Where is Andrew?
	I don't have the characters to explain how wrong Chair One is about everything she says.
	Ever seen a woman give in during a divorce or do they fight tooth and nail?
	If you're talking about Andrew, the one that said rape is good if the woman enjoys it.
	Sorry, if the woman has essayed and she orgasms, that's a good thing.
	I don't think you're really idolizing the correct person.
	You do realize, I mean, that's Andrew, that's on Andrew, but hold on.
	Where's the pickle jar?
	So it was clipped entirely, leaving out critical context both prior.
	Okay, let me ask you a question.
	If you were to say, I think it's bad if, or you would frame it like this.
	You were to say, I think it's bad when people are racist.
	Or hold on.
	the best framing for this.
	I can't think of an example.
	You could agree, though, that there could be a situation where somebody gets clipped out of context.
	Correct.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Like, and it could be edited in such a malicious way to make it appear as if you said something that you didn't or left out context.
	There's also AI.
	Well, that whole clip was a little bit not used at it.
	Like, if you even.
	Did you?
	Let me ask you.
	No, no, that's fine.
	Let me ask you a question.
	The clip in reference, did you watch the whole debate?
	Well, any statement that...
	Bro, hold on, the question's not for you.
	I'm just saying, whatever he said, no context would be okay with that.
	From start to the next question.
	Did you watch?
	No, I was like, from second one to second zero of the entire episode, that's multiple hours ago.
	Did you even watch the debate?
	Like when I say the debate, did you actually watch?
	Did you have a couple seconds of that debate?
	Did you just see clips?
	No.
	Okay, so you tuned into our video and you watched that segment.
	Yeah.
	Okay, tell me what was proceeding from where the clip began.
	They were talking about grape and essence.
	No, they weren't.
	Wow.
	You're a total sheep.
	You're not, you didn't even watch the clip and you fell for it.
	Sorry.
	You fell for it deceptively.
	What are they talking about?
	Andrew was doing an internal critique of Oliver's position.
	If I recall correctly, Oliver was saying they were talking about something totally unrelated to that.
	And Oliver was saying, well, there's an exception.
	There's an exception to what you're saying.
	And again, you're going to have to talk to Andrew about this, not my fucking position.
	But, and then Andrew was saying, well, hold on.
	Let me test your logic here.
	This terrible thing, if some of the people that this terrible thing happens to, if they'd enjoy it, would that point towards that thing being good?
	No.
	What do you mean, no?
	That's literally the basis of it.
	I'm not being good.
	Right.
	So he was doing an internal critique of Oliver.
	Oliver, by the way, who has some allegations towards him as it relates to when he was a bit younger, he exposed himself to a minor and he said the following.
	He said the following.
	And this is actually funny.
	So somebody could do the same exact thing.
	So how do I frame it so I don't get fucking clipped for what somebody else said?
	He said that he thinks it's, he said, I manipulated women into doing things that they didn't want to do.
	That's what Oliver said.
	So that's the character of the person who did the misleading clip.
	Of course.
	Right.
	So, but it's clear you didn't watch the whole thing.
	I said that I didn't watch the whole thing.
	Right.
	But so the clip is deceptively edited in like honestly a completely disgusting way to make it seem like Andrew was suggesting something or essentially being a grape apologist.
	Okay.
	Which if you actually watch the whole clip, not the case at all.
	Okay.
	Well, it was an interesting take for him to say in that way anyway.
	But that wasn't the question.
	The question was just where is Andrew?
	So I said, if that's who you're idolizing, maybe take a check on that.
	And I wasn't saying anything else.
	I don't even remember what the rest of the question for that person was.
	Do women give up during divorce?
	I mean, it depends on why they're divorcing.
	I mean, women who divorce, who get married super young to an old guy for money, maybe no.
	They don't give up or whatever.
	Women who are divorcing for genuine reason, then yeah, I don't really know what your point with that should be.
	Do you think context is for the divorce?
	No, just in general.
	Of what?
	Well, going back to the Andrew thing.
	Yeah, of course, context matters.
	Yeah.
	But that statement was strange regardless.
	Well, so before the show, I actually warned Andrew and I said, Oliver is a fucking clip chimp.
	And I told, I fucking warned Andrew.
	I warned Andrew, and I was like, Andrew, don't say some shit that he's going to fucking clip.
	Was the one he was debating against Oliver?
	Oliver's the guy he was debating against.
	Yeah.
	So he did it to Jim Bob, who he debated against before.
	Coercion is bad.
	So Oliver using coercion to sleep with women when you lie to someone about anything that's still considered grape if you lie about it.
	Yeah, if you lie about your identity, that's not grape.
	Because the girl never consented to your lie.
	The woman never consented.
	But that's not the point.
	The point is, did Andrew get clipped?
	And he got clipped, I guess.
	But yeah, I mean, look, I'm not going to do the whole spiel with all that.
	So, okay.
	All right.
	Inquisitor Zeal.
	Can you read this, please?
	Oh my God.
	Is it not pulling up?
	Hold on.
	Go ahead, read it.
	Chair one is correct about women being controlled by patriarchal culture.
	Everyone was.
	We've abolished that and our civilization is collapsing.
	Congrats.
	You've proven women must be oppressed forever.
	That must be.
	That's why society is not fucking working because of because we were oppressed for so long.
	We're finally like saying no.
	Finally, like, like my son, my picture, I am a sex worker.
	I see the real world for what it is.
	I hang out with CEOs all the time, like real CEOs that you guys talk about working for.
	I'm not going to blow them up.
	But like, they like to party.
	They like to hang out.
	They cheat on their wives.
	So.
	All right.
	Read this from Clint.
	She is delusional.
	I am in a very competitive field.
	The percentage of women applying get hired more than the percentage of men applying get hired.
	They also get paid the same, not based on sex, but based on seniority.
	Seniority.
	Why are they getting hired more?
	Because prior they were not getting hired.
	So it's like the leveling balance.
	We need to balance it up.
	All men were working, working, working.
	Now women want to.
	It's my only issue is at Clan or whatever.
	Like, we don't know what you actually do.
	In my industry, you guys don't get paid at all sitting in your room.
	Like, we don't know what you actually do.
	But my guys in my industry don't get paid as much.
	as women we wake substantially more than them so it's like you want to say No, I just think, you know, I'm listening.
	It's fascinating.
	It's interesting.
	But for me, this conversation is almost, it's hard to understand as a woman because I'm listening to women.
	I am a woman.
	And I'm thinking, why don't I understand?
	So I'm trying to focus on myself and see why.
	What is it about me?
	So the question is, why I never in my life I felt discriminated as a woman?
	Why I never lived the experience of being paid less as a man.
	Actually, it's the opposite.
	So why I never felt that?
	I know.
	You might have the confidence to ask for more.
	A lot of women don't have that.
	Okay, I was actually going to say that when that was mentioned, because it was mentioned here that men are more into, hey, I can negotiate, I can ask for more.
	Excuse me, I can do that.
	And I've done it.
	And I've done it.
	And I do it.
	I still do it.
	So I don't think that has to do with what if we have ovaries or a prostate, you know what I mean?
	I don't think it has to do with if we're a woman or a man.
	I think it has to do with your education and what you choose.
	Because I charge $150 for one piano class.
	You know?
	And I am a flight attendant too.
	And the men, the guys that are working as flight attendants, they make the exact same money that I do.
	Yeah.
	So that's what I find it fascinating.
	I'm learning.
	I don't know.
	I know it happened before women were able to report.
	I gotta move it on.
	Go ahead, read this.
	Sorry about that.
	Jane King Meow.
	Jane, I don't know how to say that.
	His wife played a leading role in enforcing purges during the Cultural Revolution.
	She is directly tied to an estimate 100,000 to a million deaths.
	She was arrested and convicted for this.
	But do you see how you refer to her as that guy's wife?
	You don't refer to her as who she actually is.
	She is under her husband's probable control.
	I mean, I can't prove it because I don't know her and she's not alive today to say that.
	But you literally referred to her as this guy's wife, not this woman.
	Because it was his wife.
	It was not her.
	Who is her husband?
	No.
	Her husband is Chairman Mao, the founding father.
	Chairman Mao.
	Yeah, People's Republic of China.
	Of course, if you simply bring up her name, nobody would know who the heck this is.
	So just to clarify, they have to emphasize: okay, this is someone's wife.
	But you don't think Chairman Mao's wife was at all manipulated by Chairman Mao to do things?
	think she was completely in control of her own decisions?
	Hold on, what if she was the fuck?
	She scared me.
	When I'm asking her, though.
	What's your question again?
	You don't think Chairman Mao's wife was, you think she was completely in control of her own decisions?
	I mean, she wasn't living in that age, so I'm not clearly sure about what happened in the history, but unless you have some sort of evidence to show me that she was manipulated by the husband.
	Yeah, if you're making the claim, you're going to have to provide evidence that he was manipulating her.
	What if it's actually the case that she was like a more fervent ideological supporter of communism?
	Maybe she was more of a hardcore communist than he was.
	Yeah, quote unquote, maybe.
	But if you look at what happened in history, it wasn't like she was on the name of all the history books.
	It was him.
	He did all the things.
	And if she did part of it, you'd have to assume that he had a play in that.
	Because at the time, even still, people there, men have more power, even political power.
	It's not fair to you to say, well, maybe she was pulling the strings.
	You don't know.
	It's like, okay, but if you look at what was happening, he was pulling the strings.
	You don't know if she was being manipulated.
	Exactly.
	In a world where war is profitable, like that's what the society will want to push for.
	You know?
	That's what the society is pushing for.
	Please speak to the microphones.
	All right, read this.
	Chair one, women couldn't find work in the 1920s.
	Common female occupations included factory work, domestic service, teaching, nursing, and clear, clear, how do you think?
	Clerical work.
	Clear clerical work.
	Never seen that word before.
	Like typing, bookkeeping, BBC.
	Thank you.
	There wasn't like a law.
	There was not a law on the book saying women couldn't work.
	I know that.
	However, if you look at what was going on, it was not common for women to work.
	It was actually discouraged.
	You were seen as less than if you had a job such as that because your entire job was supposed to be marrying a man and having children.
	Do you think that women wanted to work back then or did they want to build families?
	They were taught to want to build families.
	Is that a bad thing?
	I mean, in the grand scope of what's happening in the world, then yeah, everyone should have been taught to be equal.
	Men should take care of the family as much as women, and women should work, and so should men.
	Everyone should work.
	Women should have time off for giving birth and pushing a whole human out of them for sure.
	But it shouldn't be a normalized thing that women shouldn't have to work at all and men should only have to work because if you enforce that, then companies only want to hire men and not women.
	And then women who don't have husbands are seen as less than than a woman who has a husband or a man attached to her.
	And that just reinforces the entire idea of the patriarchy.
	Of course, women were able to work.
	They were seen as less than, they were paid less than, and they were like just discriminated against if they tried to work.
	They're paid less because it wasn't as hard of a job as the men did.
	Because they weren't allowed to have as hard of jobs.
	Listen, if you...
	No, wait, wait, wait.
	I'm sorry.
	Women didn't have, women literally couldn't do the jobs.
	They could, but they were not allowed at all.
	Hold on.
	Do you think women have the same physical strength as men?
	They could.
	No, no.
	No.
	No.
	Yeah, but again, tilt your mic down, please.
	Tilt your mic down.
	But in today's world, strength doesn't even matter.
	We have machines.
	But your claim was about historical work, right?
	Right?
	Where physical strength is.
	Coal mining, women can do that.
	Building, women can do that.
	Hold on, no, no, no, no.
	Women don't have the requisite general strength to do a lot of these professions.
	If it was true, if men and women's physical strength was equal, then they would be in these positions.
	Women have to work harder to gain more muscle.
	That is true.
	It's easier for men to gain muscle and be stronger.
	However, in the coal mines, in the buildings, in whatever, women can still have jobs there.
	Not everything is based off of physical strength.
	Are machines not taking over men and women?
	Well, we're talking about before.
	Right?
	You're talking historically.
	But we're not going to be able to do that.
	But a lot of this machinery still today that makes physical labor easier still requires a degree of physical strength to operate.
	But you think you can't have physical strength?
	Instead of swinging a pickaxe to break up stones, we have jackhammers, but it requires physical strength to hold the jackhammer, to keep it steady, except for the same thing.
	And are you saying women are incapable of having physical strength?
	No, that's not what I'm saying.
	I'm saying that generally speaking, and I'm assuming you're going to agree with me on this.
	Generally speaking, men are stronger than women, descriptively.
	In science, men are able to gain more muscle mass than women.
	They're just naturally stronger than women.
	However, if a woman puts her mind to it and tries very hard, she could still have a job similar to a man's.
	And how many people stand more pain?
	Why is transgender athlete such a controversy now if you think men and women have equal physical strength?
	Well, I don't think transgender should be in a woman's sport at all.
	Yeah, that's definitely everyone's opinion.
	The reason why it's such a controversial topic is because these transgender women, they still have more physical strength because they were born to be, they were born as men.
	She was right.
	It's depending on when they decided to transition.
	If they transitioned at a certain time, they never developed those men aspects and they always develop only women aspects.
	I know a lot of trans women.
	If a man starts transitioning at 11, they don't have the male physical strength that gives them an advantage in some sort of a sport.
	I mean, I would probably dispute this because my position on this is that the sole difference between men and women is not exclusively relegated to the endocrine system.
	So what you're talking about is if they're taking puberty blockers.
	But like there's skeletal differences.
	There's other differences like lung capacity, for example.
	So again, even if they do transition at a younger age, yes, that's going to have that will have some impact on the musculoskeletal system.
	But there are still going to be certain differences between like a trans women are more women and more feminine than any woman in this room.
	Like they take their womenisms very seriously.
	Womanisms?
	What is that?
	They take being like a feminine like a fucking job.
	Most women don't even care about working as are you going to argue that trans women are more women, like they're better women than women?
	So you're saying men are better women than men?
	Yeah, because they know exactly what you're doing.
	You're going to have to wrap your head around that one.
	So are men better women than women?
	My sister is more manlier than my trans friend.
	My trans friend is more feminine, more ladylike, more in her feminine aspect of her life than any, like...
	A transgender is not more feminine and more woman than I am.
	We are talking about physical strength here, physical appearance, like how nice your skin is, doesn't have to do anything with how you can excel in a sport.
	Yeah, my feminist, my trans friend would never even try to join a sport because she was, she never wanted to compete like that.
	I believe Brian was talking about the muscle mass and the lung capacity.
	And I know a large percentage of American men who only play video games can barely do a sit-up, let alone a pull-up.
	And they're talking about a lot of people.
	Can you do a sit-up?
	I don't know what we're talking about.
	I was a gymnast for most of my life.
	I don't know what we're talking about, Ariel.
	I think we're just going to be able to get a lot of people.
	We got to stop.
	Here's what we have to do, though.
	We can't always go to the exception.
	I'm going to sit here and agree with you.
	There are definitely individual women who are way stronger than men who could beat up men.
	But what I'm talking about is if we're just talking about generalities, the majority of men are stronger than the majority of women.
	Yeah.
	It's biology.
	So yes, is there like, are there women out there who are stronger?
	There's women who are stronger than me.
	Off the street and ask them to do a fitness test.
	Do I think that women might perform better than men currently?
	Possibly.
	As in, if you pull 12 random people, six men, six women, and ask them to do a fitness test, I've met a lot of out-of-shape men recently.
	So I'm saying I think women take care of themselves in their youth because they know that they're supposed to be attractive for men.
	And there's a lot of men that have gone into very lazy professions where physical work is a part of their life.
	Sorry, somebody over here wanted to weigh in or?
	I just wanted to say something quickly.
	I think that Brian is pointing at, we are, this study is pointing at exceptions, exceptions to the rule.
	But in general, let's say the coal mines today, not time before.
	If we have today the coal mines, like back then, and we have today or back then.
	Let's say today.
	This is today because I'm not going to talk about the coal mines in 2025.
	Yes, no, I'm not talking about like values.
	I'm talking about strength.
	Okay.
	Let's say today you put a man, a 30-year-old man and a 30-year-old woman, healthy without etc.
	100% healthy, to go at the coal mines.
	Let's see how many buckets of coal the men can bring out in two hours and how many buckets of coal can the woman bring?
	Depends if they were taught how to work the machine.
	No, no, no, no, that's what I'm saying.
	From zero, they just learn, you know, healthy.
	The man is going to do more because it's biologically proven, scientifically proven.
	If I am the owner of that mine, I'm going to pay more than man because he brings 30 buckets and the woman brings 25, maybe.
	And I think that's the difference.
	It's not because the man is better.
	Scientifically, biologically, it is what it is.
	So he's going to get paid better.
	Now, as I work as a woman, nothing comes to my mind.
	The woman is better at doing it.
	I don't know.
	I have to think about it.
	Maybe the woman is getting paid better.
	But I don't see that as being underestimated.
	It's who gives more, who works better.
	I think we're talking about the third variable.
	As a minored in sociology, you need three variables to be able to judge someone.
	So you can't just judge someone on man, woman, and their job.
	You need a third variable.
	What's the third variable?
	Like race, class, and gender.
	You can't just judge someone off race and class.
	Wait.
	You need three variables to draw a conclusion.
	Minimum.
	But hold on.
	Why would you need okay?
	If the question, if the question is who is physically stronger on average, men or women, what would the third variable be?
	Like, what's the third variable needed to determine?
	Do they not work out?
	So let's say obesity.
	Wait, let's say that a man and a woman are twins.
	They're born at the same time.
	They work out.
	They have the same eating schedule, same workout schedule.
	The man is going to get stronger than the woman.
	That is true.
	And that is true because of biology.
	She is correct.
	However, does that mean that a woman is less than the man?
	No.
	That's not what we're talking about, though.
	Okay.
	In the coal mines, that might have mattered.
	We moved past that.
	But the argument here is: okay, so if it is the case, hold on, hold on.
	God damn, let me finish.
	Please stop interrupting.
	If it is the case that historically, the majority of available jobs were physical in nature.
	That's not true anymore.
	Doctors.
	How many doctors are shoemakers, clothing makers?
	I would argue that even like a shoemaker requires like muscular strength in the arms and dexterity.
	No, but back then.
	I'm not an expert in like, what is it called called when you're there's a specific term when you're a shoemaker like a what's it called?
	Cobbler.
	Cobbler.
	Like there's probably some level of physicality even involved in that.
	In any case, if it is the case that the majority of jobs historically did require some degree of physical strength, this would seem to be, and if it's also the case that men are just generally physically stronger than women, is it any surprise that men were more likely to occupy these positions?
	It was purely because of the way society was set up.
	Because if women were taught to grow strong from a young age and fight to work jobs, they could have easily worked those jobs.
	And I get that men are stronger physically.
	However, if a woman really tried, she could get as strong as a man in that capacity.
	You sure?
	Yeah, I'm possible.
	So wait, just let me ask you this then.
	If we were to look at the strongest, so the strongest man and the strongest woman to have ever existed.
	Right.
	Or how about alive today?
	You would say that their strength is equal.
	I mean, I don't know the strongest man or the strongest woman, so I'm not sure.
	However, it's objective.
	It's literally objective.
	However, here's 500 pounds.
	Can you lift it?
	Go ahead.
	However, in the olden days, what we're talking about.
	Tell me the olden days, yeah.
	There's no gyms.
	There's just work.
	There's just birth and work.
	I agree.
	If a woman was taught to plow fields with her brother and do all that shit with her brother, the same time, same exact teaching styles, she could do the same thing.
	So what?
	And what do you do when you're plowing a field?
	I don't know.
	I've never plowed a field.
	Are you lifting things with your upper body surface?
	I've never plowed a field.
	You should try.
	Plow a stone work.
	Stonewalk.
	Stonework.
	Gobbling work.
	No, I don't lift.
	I run.
	You're totally.
	Because I don't feel like lifting.
	I don't want to be strong.
	I think you could do well.
	I probably could if I really wanted to.
	You would kill it, Mary.
	Thank you.
	You would kill it in the fields.
	Thank you.
	Back to the fields you go.
	Look, the strongest woman to have ever lived isn't even approaching like...
	Well, that's with everything we have today with the weightlifting and the whatever.
	And people spend their entire lives dedicated to getting stronger.
	In the olden days, what we're talking about right now, people did not care.
	They just wanted to work.
	And what I was saying is that even though women would be capable to work those jobs, society set them up to not work those jobs on purpose.
	That's all I'm saying.
	Well, it's not just on purpose.
	It is on purpose.
	There's just a strength component to it that cannot be ignored.
	But what I just said.
	No, but you're saying, well, if these women, and look, I think that there are women who, if they're really strong, I think they can do the job.
	My argument is: if you have 100 men and 100 women and both of them, you put both of them through, well, you're saying the same training, same thing.
	The same training, and they're both like athletes.
	Same birth, same food, same everything.
	You do all of that, those hundred men are going to be stronger than all of those women.
	Well, maybe the women would find out a way to do it without all the strength.
	What?
	Work smarter.
	That's harder.
	Work smarter.
	Work smarter.
	Okay.
	You make the men do it.
	Here's the task.
	Here's the task.
	I won't do it.
	I'm a gong.
	Move this pile of rocks that each weigh 70 pounds from point A to point B. Right.
	Okay.
	Men, due to their physical strength, are going to be superior.
	And women will come up with like a way to pull it.
	And so do men.
	So did men.
	I just don't think that's the same thing.
	That's the problem with your argument: there's no historical value to say that women would not do better because women were never given the chance.
	That's all I'm saying.
	There is a precedence for it.
	Women were never given the chance to try.
	It's hold on.
	Why is men are so strong?
	You agree it's a given that men are physically stronger.
	Okay.
	And do you think historically people also just knew men stronger than women?
	Because they forced women to not try.
	Yes.
	Are you saying that physical strength is a social, like a social structure?
	A little bit.
	You're saying it's subjective, social, like physical strength.
	Muscular men are attractive.
	Muscular women are ugly and manly.
	That's a whole thing.
	I've seen that everywhere.
	Women who weightlift, women who do boxing, they're not seen as attractive because they're muscular.
	You just have to stop.
	And that is historic.
	And I'm telling you right now, and that is today's world.
	In the olden days, a woman had muscle.
	That's like vile.
	That's like against the rights of women.
	Against the, wait, what?
	Against the rights of women?
	Women have.
	Wait, what rights?
	Hold on.
	What are you talking about?
	Women have been.
	Because women were supposed to be weak.
	Look pretty.
	Women are pretty and be tiny.
	Maybe you are.
	Women are weak.
	Maybe you are.
	And also, I just don't understand why do you have to make it a social thing?
	Because it's just not a good use of efficiency.
	If you send women to plow the field, why don't you just take advantage of each other's talents?
	And maybe women are better at doing some other jobs, like maybe social media.
	Like what, giving birth?
	That's why they're not a good person.
	That's not a job.
	That's a part of labor.
	That's why picking the cherry.
	Or behind the scenes.
	Everyone has their own strengths.
	We're not trying to diminish men.
	Men have their strengths, and we have our strengths.
	We're trying to come together as a society.
	We don't want to get away from men.
	We love men.
	We want men to just treat us equally and like respect us and not like that hardware.
	Because the second men say we're stronger, we can do more is the second they started having.
	Why are you guys comparing yourselves?
	Your logic that they're stronger.
	Okay, and what about it?
	Is it disposable?
	But what it means that.
	Hold on, hold on.
	And what about it?
	There's no problem.
	No, I want to hear what she wants to say about it.
	Say it.
	Go ahead.
	Say it.
	Men are biologically stronger.
	No one said no.
	So therefore, they're going to be the ones doing the harder jobs that require more strength.
	I.e., why women couldn't do the coal mine, the construction, the whatever you say that they didn't get the opportunity to do.
	It's because they're weaker than men, and that's why they didn't get the opportunity.
	It's not because society made it this way.
	Yeah, also, I agree that men having more physical strength doesn't mean they're superior to women.
	And this is totally outside the topic because a man who is physically weak can still treat women like shit and can still disrespect them.
	But do you realize that, especially in the olden days when strength actually mattered, and even recently, men say that being stronger and working in the olden days makes them better than women?
	Because I've seen that everywhere.
	Nobody's arguing that.
	Nobody's arguing that.
	That's what it sounds like.
	Can we agree on this?
	Descriptively, is it true that men are physically stronger than women?
	They can be in some circumstances.
	It's not just that they can be, it's that they are.
	I don't know.
	I know what they're doing.
	You're not going to agree.
	No.
	I agree with, yes, there are weak men.
	I don't dispute that.
	If every man and every woman on the entire planet did the exact same nutrition routine, the exact same workout routine, physically, yes, men could be stronger.
	Could be.
	Would be stronger.
	However, that's not the case.
	So if they did studies and showed, like they did this study with like 10,000 women, the grip strength, for example, men have orders of magnitude greater grip strength than women.
	So if we're looking at upper body strength, which is sort of predominated as it relates to physical labor typically, although there's some component of lower body strength, but men are also stronger in their lower bodies.
	Okay.
	Now, but would you agree that descriptively that that's true?
	Yeah.
	Does that mean they deserve more rights than women?
	That's not what we're arguing.
	We're just saying that I never said they weren't stronger.
	You seem to be making the case.
	You're arguing what if men and women started out in these jobs.
	I've said since the beginning, if they started off the same job, same diet, whatever, men would be stronger.
	However, that's not the case because women have never been given the chance to do any of that.
	Okay, sure.
	But if women were given the chance at the same starting point to start working in these jobs and through like, you know, whatever, it's swinging a pickaxe or digging with a shovel, I still would argue that even if you had a woman working the same amount of hours as a man, it's not even clear to me if they would have that sort of ability to even work the same length of time as a man in a physical capacity,
	They would not be able to develop the same level of strength as a man, even if they started at the exact same time.
	Okay.
	We have a small body, like our body.
	I'm wondering what the point of the strength is.
	I think the point of the strength is that it's nothing to do with the men being better than women.
	It's a scientifically proven biology and it's a fact.
	And because they are stronger, they can do work that we cannot do.
	And if we do it, we could do it, but we're not going to do it as good as they do it because we don't have the strength that they have.
	And I would like to mention another thing with your permission.
	Back then, it wasn't only that women were not given the opportunity.
	I think we all agree that back then, as much as women were not allowed to vote and they were putting down in other social points, back then, people were more supporting family.
	Who would raise those kids?
	Who will take care of the kids?
	Another thing, they all also support family and religion.
	And all that was so close together that the women were at home taking care of the kids, doing the housework, and going to church on Sundays.
	It was a completely different thing for those women.
	It was different.
	But today, let me finish real quickly.
	Today, it's completely different.
	But you know what?
	I support family 100%.
	And that's what I was taught.
	And I am so grateful for that.
	And to see my parents together until their last day and to see my mother taking care of me and my sister, I'm grateful to heaven today.
	And my mother was not discriminated.
	It was a different level of priorities.
	But that's what I think.
	But in general, the difference of priorities: if a woman's priority is to be a homemaker and have a family, which is totally normal for women to want that, like, I'd love that.
	It'd be great.
	If that's a woman's priority and the whole society, the whole country, the whole world believes that a woman's priority is to be the homemaker and the family maker, then that counts out the other women who don't want a husband, who don't have a husband, who are gay, who whatever.
	All of those people.
	Wait, but all of those people who are taught that they have to be a family maker and a homemaker are suddenly left out of the job equation.
	All right.
	And that's unfair.
	Okay, a couple questions here, and then I've got to move this on.
	Yes.
	Thank God.
	If I could show you, for example, if we are looking at the apex of both men and women.
	So, for example, the U.S. women's soccer team got completely destroyed by an under-18 boys team.
	Okay.
	Boys are innate having more skills.
	No, but what's the point of that question?
	Well, the point is that if we look at sports, for example, if we look at sports, so if you look at elite female athletes, if they were men with their same scores, they would not be able to even qualify to compete in the Olympics, for example.
	Okay.
	So if you look at running, for example, men are faster than women.
	If you look at strength sports, men are stronger than women.
	There's this website that we've pulled up a whole bunch of times.
	Have a man get a wax.
	Let's see how strong he is then.
	No, let's.
	Can you finish it?
	Can you finish a point?
	Yeah, the point is essentially that if we look at sporting, sporting events, men in that dimension, and so you would have to agree that the elite female athletes, most female athletes who are elite, started at a very young age.
	So they have all the things that you mentioned: the good nutrition, all this other stuff.
	They've been involved in the sport since most Olympic athletes have been doing the sport since they were like children or whatever.
	But if you were to place the women and have them compete with the men, the men would completely dominate.
	So the strongest women, the apex of women, you put them against the strongest men, the men outperform the women.
	Even if the women had that base level foundation of nutrition and like training.
	That's why women and men compete separate, first of all.
	Second of all, men are taller.
	That is just part of life.
	And they're also physically stronger.
	Okay.
	They have more muscle density.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	But also, men and women have different coaches.
	Oh, no.
	Maren, you're killing me here.
	And the coaches.
	The coaches are different.
	Everything's different.
	And even if women get destroyed by the men's teams, does that make them less of people?
	That's not the argument.
	So what's the argument?
	The argument is about, you're saying, okay, I'm saying men are stronger than women.
	And you're saying, well, hold on.
	Women didn't have the opportunity or there was like social stigma or they didn't have the opportunity.
	And I'm saying you look at elite athletes who did have the opportunity and you compare elite male athletes to elite female athletes.
	Both had opportunity.
	The women are not capable of competing with the men.
	I'm not trying to say that it's not a biological fact that men can get stronger than women.
	I'm trying to say that the fact that that is a re like the reason that men are more like put on higher standards and have more rights than women because of strength is not the argument.
	But that's my argument.
	But that's my argument is that it shouldn't be that way.
	You're saying, yes, biologically, men are stronger than women.
	I'm saying even if that's the case, it should not be a player in why women have less rights than men.
	Does that make sense?
	Okay, so but descriptively though, I mean, it's kind of like.
	Yes, men are stronger than women.
	Yeah, but it's your point is a bit off topic, but I'll actually bite with you.
	So you would agree that you would agree that right, do you believe in rights?
	Yes.
	Okay, what is a right?
	What do you mean?
	What you said, you were talking about rights.
	What are rights?
	Just the, like, we have a set of rights.
	But are rights.
	Human rights.
	But are rights an invention of the mind?
	Are they an invention of society?
	Or are there like inherent rights?
	Invention of society.
	Okay, so you agree that they're inventions of society.
	Yeah.
	Okay, so how do you enforce your rights?
	What do you mean?
	How do nations enforce their rights?
	Or people enforce them?
	Creating laws.
	Okay, and who enforces those laws?
	Men.
	Okay, and then you might even say like soldiers, for example.
	Let's say you're a country and another country invades you and then they're going to then impose their worldview and their government, you know, whatever, their laws on you, but maybe you disagree with their laws.
	Right.
	But you would argue, and I'm speaking descriptively here, I'm not saying what should be, I'm saying what is.
	You would agree that like a country with a superior military force could invade another country and impose their laws on that country.
	Yes, that happens all the time.
	It happens all the time.
	And they do that through force, right?
	So they do that.
	And who has a monopoly on force?
	Men.
	Men.
	Okay, so when it comes to feminism, you're saying, like, talking about women's rights.
	You would agree that women have to appeal to men to instill their rights.
	Yes.
	Oh, okay.
	I mean, then there's no argument then.
	But it shouldn't be that way.
	That's my argument.
	So how should it be?
	Women should just be respected as human beings, but it's not the way it is.
	But that's not, but that's not descriptively.
	By the way, men can have their rights taken away too by other men.
	Of course.
	So, but it ultimately does come down to force.
	So feminists, in order for feminism to exist, you claim you're not a feminist.
	You claim you're a misandrist.
	But in order for women to have rights, men have to grant those rights.
	Right now, yeah, that's the way it works.
	Right.
	Okay.
	You were talking about why physical strength is a component here.
	Okay.
	All right.
	I think you brought it full circle, and I at least understand what the point you're trying to say.
	Well, I understand what he's trying to say, that men have physical, more physical force, and that's why women have to submit to them or whatever.
	That's not versus power.
	That's not.
	Look, I'm not making a should claim.
	I'm just speaking descriptively.
	What's happening?
	I'm saying because men have a monopoly on force, that there is going to be a natural tendency to move towards a patriarchy.
	But I also believe that it's not just men having more strength, it's that men rely on their strength more.
	Whereas if women were in charge since day one and women controlled everything, there'd be way less emphasis on force and strength to give rights and give laws.
	It would all be more methodical.
	Let me ask you a question, though.
	If there's a dispute between two nations and they can't figure this out through diplomacy, what do you think is going to be the end result of this conflict?
	Depends on the conflict, depends on the nation.
	Drop some acid of them.
	Have them.
	You just give these little things.
	Let me win a fight.
	That would be the best way to actually have a genuine conversation.
	Let me ask you a question.
	Let's say that there was a matriarchy, and this matriarchy was the most peaceful matriarchy that ever existed.
	However, there was another tribe, and this tribe was a patriarchy.
	And this tribe was belligerent, and they were interested in your territory.
	They wanted to conquer your territory.
	Wouldn't you have to have some sort of defensive force?
	Even if you were not interested in going to war, you would have to maintain a military.
	My question is: who's leading the person who's invading?
	Is it a man?
	Yeah, sure.
	I'll say it's a man.
	So if it was a woman, I don't think they'd invade.
	You don't think they would?
	No, I don't.
	That's interesting.
	So you just think women are less violent?
	Yes.
	Can I ask you a question related to this, bringing it back to dating and relationships, I guess?
	How could this actually be the case if, for example, if we look at homosexual relationships?
	So if you look at lesbian relationships, the incidence of violence in lesbian relationships is highest.
	So it goes like this.
	Lesbian relationships, highest levels of domestic violence.
	You look at heterosexual relationships, they're in the middle.
	And then you look at gay, homosexual, two men, gay, homosexual relationships, the incidence of domestic violence is the lowest when you have two men.
	It's medium, well, in this scale, it's medium when there's a man and a woman, and the incidence of domestic violence is the highest when you have two women.
	How could it possibly be the case then when you have two women who are conceivably more peaceable than men are?
	How could it then be the case that the incidence of violence is higher in lesbian relationships?
	Well, first of all, I'd love to see that article.
	Second of all, second of all, I think women would be more likely to report it if it's with a woman rather than a man.
	They're scared of actual death when they're being abused by a man, and they're less likely to report it.
	And I think gay men, I mean, I have never seen this article.
	I've never seen that.
	They're still men, right?
	They're still men.
	And your position is that men are more violent than women.
	Well, gay men aren't in positions of power.
	Also, what do you think about the statistics?
	What do you think about the fact that women are more likely to commit infanticide?
	Infanticide.
	Infanticide.
	They're more likely to kill their children.
	Well, men do that too.
	I do.
	Men are more likely to leave.
	Men do that too.
	But women are more likely to kill their children.
	mean abortion or post-birth?
	I'm not, wait, I'm not even talking about abortion.
	I'm talking about a birth birth and they're killing their child.
	Correct.
	Women are more likely to kill their children.
	Well, men are more likely to leave.
	I don't know what your point is.
	His point is that we all have issues.
	His point is that men is that he's trying to say that women can be very violent as well.
	I gotta let some chats come through.
	We got Clain here.
	Sorry for the delay, Clay.
	Clay donated $200.
	Chair one, is that lookup top design to fight the patriarchy?
	Nothing like a bunch of 304s wearing revealing clothes and arguing against men.
	Let's see, I'm not sure.
	First of all, you spelt yacht wrong.
	Second of all, I'm wearing a tank top under my shirt to hide my boobs.
	I'm sorry, I have big ones.
	Sorry, you're looking.
	And third of all, no, I'm not trying to fight my patriarchy with this shirt.
	I just own it.
	Brixon, play her the video of men doing dangerous jobs.
	I know men do dangerous jobs.
	So do women.
	So what's your point?
	Here, pull it up.
	Pull the Discord up really quick.
	I'll just rapid fire through it.
	Thank you, Chef Dale Pickles.
	Appreciate it.
	While you're getting that pulled up, here, I'm going to read this super quick.
	Let me know when you have the Discord pulled up.
	Do you have the Discord pulled up?
	Chair for reverse Rachel Dullazahal is arguing men and women's relative strength versus absolute strength.
	Men's absolute strength almost always outdoes that of a woman's, which is generally what matters most.
	What matters most in what context, though?
	All contexts.
	Any context.
	Conversational contexts?
	Where there's no strength used?
	If men want to put every single woman in a cage, do you think they could?
	I don't know.
	Why would they want to do that?
	That's disgusting.
	Jude, do you want to respond?
	He called you Rachel.
	I'm still stuck on the doppelganger.
	I don't know who Rachel so-and-so is, but yeah, she was a white woman who said she was black.
	I mean, people have asked me my whole life.
	Are you sure your dad's not black?
	So I don't know.
	Okay, that's cool.
	I mean, I straightened my hair to be a little bit more like a white person.
	All right, we'll show it.
	We'll show it really quick.
	Okay, so go to the, or yeah, pull it up and I'll tell you where to go.
	It can be on behind the scenes, but pull it up.
	Scroll down on the left-hand side.
	Nope.
	On the left, go down to men at work.
	There it is.
	Scroll up, All the way up to the very top.
	Yeah, up to the top.
	All right.
	You got here.
	Play the Iron Workers one.
	Mute the audio.
	Mute the audio, please.
	Beautiful.
	So, look, the reality is when it comes to some of these physically laborious jobs, I think we're just seeing this thing.
	Like, there's going to be the man is going to grab that steel beam.
	Okay.
	And there is a component of strength with, like, we're waiting for it.
	Like, you need to be able to be like, have strength to hold that thing.
	Okay.
	You know, any woman could do that?
	Well, also, for him to get up to the position that he's currently in, he needs to be able to, they literally climb up steel beams.
	And the reality is, like, it's not clear to me if women want to do this sort of work.
	Like, I don't think women want to scale skyscrapers.
	I don't think these men dream of scaling skyscrapers.
	It's just that position.
	Look, right here.
	So he's grabbing it.
	He's grabbing it.
	Okay.
	And he's redirecting it.
	He's moving it.
	He has to literally like.
	I know it's being lifted by machinery, but he is going to redirect it, and there is going to be a strength component here.
	But the main thing is, he also has to climb.
	They literally have to climb up those things.
	And X out of that.
	I'll show you a different one.
	Like, no offense.
	Fuck to these men.
	Hell no, I wouldn't do that.
	Most men here.
	Mad respect.
	No offense.
	I think I could climb that.
	Go full offense.
	Is there a way to make it bigger?
	Wait, hold on.
	No, no, no.
	Here, X out of that.
	X out.
	And you know, I'm not going to lie.
	Even though it's so nice and impressive that he's doing it, I do personally.
	In the middle of the day, if you put me on that beam right now, I could be aware of that.
	No, no, no.
	Just on the video that you just had.
	Click it.
	No, no.
	The other.
	Hold on.
	The other one.
	I don't know why I won't.
	Hit those three dots in the corner there.
	Oh, yeah, full screen, full screen, full screen.
	All right, play it.
	He's doing, like, majority of women don't have the physical strength to do that.
	So have you ever been in a skyscraper?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	You can thank men for that.
	Like, all of us.
	Thank us for the thing.
	Like, we could always tell you it like this.
	No, but the reason you can thank men for that is because the men were hired for that.
	If a woman.
	Women don't want to do this kind of work.
	Men don't want to do that kind of work.
	It's blue color work.
	I agree with you, but there are some fucking these iron workers.
	They're amazing, amazingly brave men who are also a little crazy.
	I would not want to do this shit.
	I've had construction with you.
	You got to say that.
	If you offered me good things, show me your audio post.
	You know, give me your number.
	And I think I could climb that beam and stream.
	Wait, pull it back up.
	Pull it back up.
	I don't think you would be able to do it as efficiently.
	So why not?
	Whatever.
	We show them.
	Because you're weaker than that.
	Hold on.
	We have techno-troopers.
	We know that.
	Hold on.
	Hold on.
	Because you're a woman.
	But have you measured that?
	Me versus that guy on the beam?
	Have you ever been to me?
	I mean, we can clearly see that way bigger than you.
	You haven't seen me climb that beam, you idiot.
	We don't have to.
	And did you know that shorter men are actually a little bit stronger than taller men?
	Okay, I'm more likely to be.
	I don't care about being a fantasy right here.
	All I said is I think I could also do that.
	And you said I couldn't for no reason other than that I'm a woman.
	I never said that you couldn't.
	I literally did.
	I said, if you were listening to me, I said if you were listening to me, I said that you couldn't do it as efficiently.
	Why not?
	Because literally, why not?
	My bad.
	Because I'm a woman.
	Yes, because you're weaker.
	And you don't know that.
	You're less.
	Excuse me, no way.
	You're literally as strong as a man.
	But you are not as strong as men.
	Get it through your head.
	You don't know that.
	Get it through your head.
	You literally don't know.
	I know that.
	I don't know that.
	You tried explaining that to you, and it wasn't going through your head.
	I know that.
	You literally agree with me.
	You don't know that man, and you don't know me.
	You met me today.
	I could go to the gym every day and lift a thousand pounds and he could.
	You go to the gym every day.
	Yeah.
	What do you do?
	I run.
	Can you lift weights?
	95 pounds.
	Who gives any fine?
	You don't know who I am.
	I could do that.
	You could.
	And you don't know who I am.
	If you and I went to the gym after this, you could bench 95 pounds incline bench.
	Because that's what I can do.
	For reps, by the way.
	But you literally don't know me.
	So yeah, I could do that.
	You don't know if I'm living.
	You don't have to tell me the truth.
	I want to see the proof, though.
	I want to see the proof of you being a good person.
	I don't see it.
	What's the argument there?
	That you are being disrespectful to me for no reason.
	And you're not going to be able to do that.
	I said that you weren't as strong as a man, and you say that that's disrespectful.
	As that man climbing the beam, you have no clue who that man is.
	You have no clue who I am.
	You're making an assumption based on gender for no reason.
	I mean, that's why I'm being annoyed at you right now.
	He clearly, I'm sorry, you're annoyed at me.
	He clearly got hired for the job, which means that he's strong enough.
	I didn't apply for that job.
	Go ahead, do it.
	Let's see if you get hired.
	I seriously doubt you won't.
	I will bet all the money I have, which isn't much, but I will bet all the money I have that you would not get hired.
	Why?
	Because I'm a woman.
	Yes, because you're only strong enough to do that.
	You don't know that either.
	He's silence.
	I'll send that beam ASAP.
	I got to do it.
	You know what?
	To be fair, I'm going to come.
	I'm going to come to the defense of Marin here.
	I saw this.
	God, what is this non-secular shit?
	I saw behind the scenes, I saw behind the scenes, Marin actually bench pressed Charlie Kirk, believe it or not.
	When she was on the Seth of Jubilee, she benched him like for her.
	I don't think he'd let me to her.
	For reps.
	She was bench pressing Charlie Kirk.
	So you heard it here for me.
	But you know, even if I couldn't, even if I couldn't climb that sky chair, you don't know that because you don't know who I am.
	I never made it, but you did say that.
	I never said that you couldn't.
	I said you did.
	I said you couldn't do it as efficiently.
	Why do you think that?
	As a man.
	As benchmarks.
	Because biologically, you are not as strong.
	As the man that we saw in that video.
	Then we don't know that.
	He's older than me.
	He's done it for longer than me.
	Give me time.
	Perfect.
	Perfect.
	You just, you just literally answered.
	You literally just won this argument for me.
	You just said that he's done it for longer and that he's older, which means that he has more experience.
	So let's say I'm his age and I did it for the same time as him.
	You don't know if I could do it quicker than him.
	You're making an assumption.
	And that's a sexist assumption.
	Scientifically.
	And I'm happy that you think that's an okay assumption.
	I'm happy for your boyfriend.
	He probably enjoys that.
	He does.
	Oh.
	Biologically, scientifically, he can do it better than any woman.
	But you don't know that.
	Yes, I do.
	It's biology.
	It's not me.
	It's not that I just dropped this.
	It's big biology.
	Men are way stronger, so he can do it better than you.
	And I'm happy that neither of you are ever going to have to do those things.
	He doesn't make him better than us.
	He makes him a man.
	And what makes us a thing is that we do things that we do much better than men do.
	And that's the way we are created.
	Women do certain things that are much better than men, and vice versa.
	I can think of so many things.
	I don't know.
	At this moment, nothing comes to my mind, but there's so many things.
	He's not invented the internet.
	And that makes me proud.
	And the man took the credit.
	And that made me so, well, I didn't even know.
	Fake news.
	Yeah.
	Good talk.
	All right, let me move this on here, guys.
	So we have a couple chats coming through.
	Guys, if you want, pull it up.
	Get a message.
	Rita's 100, TTS is 200, streamlabs.com if you want to get it in.
	Lucas says, Holy shit, am I in the Twilight Zone?
	Chair one, you are the poster child of retardation.
	Women can get as strong as men.
	Do you realize that the average testosterone level in prime age women is 10 NG?
	A lot of men are taking away.
	I'm continued.
	I'm also R-Slaughtered because I don't know what that means or what it stands for.
	I know, you know, this is.
	Do you want me to answer that?
	Well, he has a part two to it, so hold on.
	Felicity, my fiancé wants to know what plastic surgery you've had.
	Chair one, who's the most influential woman of history?
	Your quick answer.
	None, none.
	No plastic surgery, Felicity?
	Nope.
	Okay.
	Most influential woman of history.
	It might be Malala who fought for women's education, but I don't know.
	There's been a lot of influential feminists.
	However, a lot of them have been silenced.
	So I don't know.
	They've all been silenced.
	Not all of them.
	Evil patriarchy has.
	So you're putting words in my mouth.
	Thank you.
	You're welcome.
	Whereas the average testosterone level in prime age is 950.
	Even today, chair one, you say you have a boyfriend.
	If so, is there a strategically situated worn-out chair in the corner of your bedroom?
	I don't know what that means.
	I think he's referencing the cuck chair.
	What does that mean?
	The cuck chair.
	Like someone watches?
	No, he's saying that your boyfriend watches.
	He's saying your boyfriend.
	He's saying, don't shoot the messenger.
	Go for it.
	That there's a cuck chair.
	I don't know what that means.
	So it's like, okay, if you're a cuck, you're a dude who's a cuck, you watch your girlfriend get effed by other dudes.
	So, and he sits in the corner.
	There is no chair of that sort.
	I'm only with one man.
	So he stands.
	No, he's not.
	He stands in the morning.
	Normally, thank you.
	Oh.
	No, no, no.
	Okay, whatever.
	Hey, don't shoot the messenger.
	It was him.
	He stands.
	What do you mean by that?
	Instead of sitting in the cuck chair, he just stands in the corner and cries.
	No.
	Such an instigator.
	I said I only have a chance.
	Why am I?
	I'm not the instigator.
	You're the instigator.
	She's an instigator, Felicity over here.
	She shall be angry.
	She's barely speaking.
	She speaks a lot, trust me.
	With my eyes.
	Subconsciously.
	Anyways.
	All right, we have this.
	Oh, shop.whatever.com, Jay Misnomer.
	Yo, thank you for the merch purchase.
	Guys, shop.whatever.com.
	If you want to get a t-shirt or a hoodie or something, we'll shout you guys out.
	Thank you for that.
	And then we have some super chats we're going to finally get to.
	There's quite a few.
	All right.
	So we have Chef Dylan.
	Fun fact.
	The National Intelligence Law of 2017 of the Chinese Communist Party requires Chinese citizens to cooperate with state intelligence efforts.
	I don't know that I have to do that.
	How is this even relevant to the show?
	They really, I don't know.
	Do you want to respond to that or no?
	I mean, I need to see the exact citation.
	Definitely need to fact check even further, but I just don't think this is even relevant.
	And we already talked on tangents for like hours.
	We talked a lot of tangents here.
	Because I thought I'm on a dating show.
	Yeah, we'll get there.
	All right, Lucas, chair three.
	OMG, my tongue-in-cheek attempt at Levity fell flat.
	This is the guy who sent in the chat earlier about the, not the most recent one, but about like the tax stuff.
	He says he's a partner at an Amlaw100 New York City firm, over 1,000 attorneys.
	I have tax counsel in-house, and yes, my tax partner does separately review the allocations section in my draft JV agreements.
	Do you want to respond to our good friend, Lucas?
	That's great.
	We can connect off the show.
	I'd like to be mentored more.
	Period.
	All right, Lucas.
	She's kind of based.
	She's kind of a legend, Lucas.
	So if you want to hire her at your super fancy, snazzy New York law firm, are you looking for not right now?
	All right, sorry, Lucas.
	Sorry.
	I just want to remain loyal to my current company for some time because I just got a new job.
	I just started my new job two weeks ago.
	Two weeks ago.
	So I may remain responsible for my company.
	James Craig, men work harder than women thoughts.
	Based on what are you even talking about in general?
	Craig.
	James Craig, you might have to send a follow-up there, but men work harder than women thoughts.
	I think he's saying in general, do you think men work harder than women?
	No.
	No, definitely not.
	Not at all.
	Do they work more hours than women?
	Depends where you're looking and who you're looking at.
	In general, I don't know.
	I agree that some women work more hours than some men.
	Exactly.
	But there are more men that work more hours than women.
	But are we going to look at why, or are we just going to look at the basic facts and not even talk about why?
	Well, we should also do that with the wage gap, which would discredit the wage gap if we look at why.
	Because the wage gap is simply an assertion.
	That's it.
	Consider raising children work or taking care of the household work?
	Or are we only talking about work that we get paid for?
	True.
	Like a clock that we clock in.
	At the point.
	Because that's.
	There are women that work jobs and take care of a household, and they're working pretty much 24-7.
	We have Lucas, Chair One.
	You truly have a room temperature IQ, but here's a thought exercise for you.
	Go out and walk around for a few hours and compile a list of everything you see that was not put there by nature.
	I promise you that every damn thing on your list was both invented and built by a man.
	Who brought the men on earth?
	Come on.
	No, but that's not the point that I'm talking about.
	The point is: why was everything only built by men?
	Because only men were given the opportunity.
	And then they said, no, because they're stronger.
	You fucking idiot.
	No, men also.
	No, I'm the fucking idiot here.
	Yeah, I'm the fucking idiot.
	Why is she an idiot, though?
	Because she's saying, oh, men are stronger.
	That's why everything was invented by a man.
	First of all, inventions have nothing to do with physical strength.
	Second of all, it's because of the education opportunities that men were granted for years and years and decades and decades that women were never granted.
	I understand that men have more physical strength than women biologically.
	That has nothing to do with so many of the things you're trying to talk about.
	He literally showed you proof.
	What?
	Videos of how you think that was proof that women were in?
	And you dumb.
	The building we're in right now is literally proof.
	No, it's not.
	Are you serious?
	The building we're in?
	This was built by men.
	Probably every single building.
	But are you saying that it couldn't be built by women?
	Because it could be.
	It could easily be built by women.
	I suppose it could.
	There you go.
	10 years later.
	But yes, logically.
	Logically, it could be built by women.
	But like practically, no.
	Women were.
	Are you an Andrew Tate fan?
	Am I an Andrew Tate fan?
	I don't really know much about him.
	What about the family?
	Oh, she's a Charlie Kirk fan.
	That makes sense.
	It all makes sense.
	Okay, hold on.
	Let me see.
	It's all being put together.
	Lucas, Chair One continued.
	Beyond that, even today, the average IQ of a man is 99 and 97 for a woman.
	More importantly, however, seven out of eight people in the top 1% of IQ are men.
	Sorry, love.
	I know it's triggering, but every single man in this chat would dominate intellectually.
	But do you realize that that's because men are offered greater opportunities of education?
	Men do.
	Men do worse in college.
	They do worse in college.
	You're literally saying that men are intellectually smarter.
	Wait, Mary.
	You're saying, can you repeat that last thing you just said?
	Men are offered greater opportunities for education than women are.
	Are you sure about that?
	I'm positive.
	So just to be, okay, so the statistics would seem to disagree with you.
	How so?
	Well, ever since it's either 1979 or 1980, there's been more women who go to college than men.
	That's four decades, excuse me, four decades of there being a greater representation of women in higher education.
	This number today is something like, I think it's 60-40 split.
	But if you look at the money, high number of college graduates facing unemployment.
	So the number of people going to college has changed in general.
	I don't see how this is a rebuttal to my ideas.
	America has shipped out all blue-collar jobs, so there's a lot less physical labor jobs.
	I'm over here.
	You're way over here.
	Marin, your point was that there's less opportunity for women as it relates to higher education.
	Women predominate in higher education.
	Is this due to sexism against men?
	Yes or no?
	If you look at the, hold on.
	If you look at the decades before, like what, 2010 and all the way through history, all of that time, men have been offered way, you're nodding your head no.
	But when were women allowed to even go to college and not like finishing school?
	They've always been allowed to go to university.
	Point blank.
	I think there are some.
	Maybe you came from a wealthy family where they could afford to send you.
	I'm going to be fair.
	I do believe that, and I don't know the specifics, there were some universities that did bar women.
	Some.
	But yes, but women were able to go to university.
	But back to the point here, if you're going way back historically, you're saying it was only 2010 and after where there was some sort of shift when it came to women's access to higher education.
	It was either it was 1979, 1980, 1979, 1980, when there were more women, that's four decades, more women who started going to college than men.
	So what this means is: so women who went to university in 1979, 1980, they're now retiring.
	So you've essentially had an entire workforce through the period of that workforce where women started going to university more than men.
	Can I see that?
	Yeah, we could pull it up.
	I believe, Mary, go into the Discord.
	I have it in the, let me just double check here on my phone.
	I know I'm pretty sure I have it posted.
	Did you go to college?
	I dropped out of college.
	Which college did you go to?
	So do you think education matters in how you enter the workforce?
	But also.
	I think sometimes it can be helpful, I guess.
	In a conservative household, men are often pushed towards college more than women.
	Men are.
	This isn't true, but okay.
	And how do you know that?
	How do you know that your claim is true?
	Because there's data about it.
	You can look it up.
	Conservative.
	If this is actually the case, how could it possibly repeat your claim really quick?
	What claim?
	Your claim that I think you said, and correct me if I'm wrong, that there's a greater push.
	Women are more pushed towards furthering a greater education and becoming wealthy than women are.
	How could that possibly be true if there are more women who go to university than men?
	How could that be true?
	Because women are slowly starting to try and do not just slowly since he's saying that the statistics are saying men are going into blue-collar trade, which is not university, and that women are going into higher education, which means the women can become the architects and the designers, and the men can still be able to do it.
	I do have it, Mary.
	Pull up the infographics tab in the Discord.
	If you were oppressed for so many years, you're finally going to have the opportunity to do it.
	So men are failing because it's on their own demerit.
	They're playing video games, they're wasting their own lives, they're not trying to have goals like we do.
	Wait, so just to be clear, so if there's when men have some sort of negative life outcome, it's due to men's choices.
	But when women have negative life outcomes, it's due to other men and sexism.
	So men have agency, women don't.
	I actually think I have the greater feminist position.
	Men have agency, women have agency.
	If there's a negative life outcome, it's not because of some evil boogeyman patriarchy.
	It's because of women's choices.
	When men have negative life outcomes, it's often due to their own choices too.
	To be fair, there are sometimes external circumstances that can push you towards negative life outcomes.
	But I think a lot of negative life outcomes come down to individual choice.
	Can you pull it up, please?
	Yeah, is it the leak?
	Yeah.
	No, it's all the way to the top.
	Just go to the infographics tab.
	Scroll, just pull it up and pull it all the way to the top, please.
	All the way to the top.
	Okay, so no, scroll down.
	It's one down.
	College.
	Okay, click on the first one and we're going to tab through these.
	So percentage of U.S. population who have completed four years of college or more from 1940 to 2021 by gender.
	So it starts in 1940.
	Completed.
	Okay, so this is completed.
	So this would factor in going even further back.
	Go to the next one for me.
	U.S. college degrees by gender 2017.
	So this is in 2017.
	There's 100 males for every 141 females.
	Male, 41%.
	Females, 58%.
	That's from the U.S. Department of Education, and it includes associates, bachelor's, master's, and doctor's degrees.
	Next.
	So this is the year.
	This is the male enrollment, female enrollment, and the number of more females.
	So in 1980, there were half a million, essentially half a million more females going to university than males.
	If we go to, I can't see it because we're blocked, but like 2010, there were 7.8 million men enrolled in university and 10.2 million women enrolled in university.
	2.4 million more women than men enrolled.
	That's in 2010.
	But it goes all the way back to 1980.
	Next.
	U.S. college enrollment by gender, 1947 to 2019.
	Okay, this was the one I was looking for.
	U.S. college enrollment by gender.
	So if you look there, the bluish one, it's a little hard to tell on the bluish one is men, the green one is women.
	In 1980, that's when the overlap changes.
	So, and even if you look historically, the gap between in 1950, the gap between men and women in 1950s, so there were more men in 1950.
	If you look at the gap in 20 from the 2000s on, or even 1990 on, that discrepancy is greater in favor of women.
	So there's more women going to enrolling in university next.
	Oh, no, I was going to say, can I say something?
	Just one, let's get through these.
	Also, this is men and women study different things.
	This is sort of related to the wage gap here.
	But let's just go next.
	This is for, where is this?
	Total number of students, undergraduate.
	This is for one of the, I think this is for UCSB.
	61% women, 39% men.
	Next.
	Percentage of all college degrees, female versus male.
	That's another one next.
	Total fall enrollment, same, I think.
	Next.
	Okay, this is the University of California system.
	The gender ratios, blue, male, red, female.
	So you see there's an overrepresentation of women in the gender ratios.
	For every single University of California system, with the exception of UC San Diego, there's a little bit more men, and then UCSC looks, that looks about equal.
	Next.
	And then men or boys are less likely to earn a high school diploma.
	Oh, this is about high school.
	Okay.
	Less likely to earn a high school diploma, less likely to meet UC California and California State University requirements.
	Less likely to earn a biliteracy seal, less likely to earn a golden seal.
	I don't know what that is, but okay.
	Uh, so I don't know, this idea that men are overrepresented in universities has not been the case for four decades.
	Well, I didn't say overrepresented, I said push towards it more.
	And like, and wait, and really quickly, let me say, yeah, go ahead.
	Do you think any of this has to do with the fact that men know that they're more likely to get jobs even without a college degree, and women have to work more harder, like harder to get a job, and they have to have more college education than a man does in order to even get there?
	I wouldn't say that that's the reason.
	Okay, well, it could be one, maybe.
	I mean, I don't see a difference.
	I don't think there actually is much of a difference in terms of wages between like an uh, let's say both of them have a high school diploma between a man and a woman.
	And I think there's actually certain positions where a woman is probably better suited to get, I think, a higher-paying job right out of high school than a man.
	And I'm not even going to factor in sex work to my argument because I just think that's that wouldn't really even suit myself.
	Work on YouTube and like YouTubers, those people don't go to college and they make a lot of money.
	Let me quickly do that.
	Women are also social media people, too.
	I would also love to see the confirmation bias on these articles.
	You know what I'm talking about?
	The ones I just pulled up.
	Yeah.
	Confirmation bias.
	When you look for certain things, you'll find certain things.
	Was all this about California?
	Was it about the entire world?
	Well, some of those.
	No, some of those were for California.
	The others were for the entirety of the United States.
	Oh, about the world.
	Just the U.S.?
	Yeah, where I'm talking about, yeah, the U.S.
	Okay.
	But I would suspect this pattern is the same in other Western countries.
	Now, if you wanted to make arguments about Eastern countries, that's not a problem.
	Totally different ballpark.
	That's not my area of expertise.
	But I would actually be probably willing.
	You know what?
	I'm not sure, actually.
	We don't have to because I don't know.
	Well, it could.
	I could.
	You're talking about religion.
	There could be a case that there's more men going to university in some of these Eastern countries, but if I was looking at certain Asian countries, or like India, for example, I'm not actually sure if it's the case.
	But I don't know.
	So I don't want to make a claim that's just I don't know.
	Well, if we're not talking about feminism in the entire world and just the U.S., the U.S. is way more progressive than the entire rest, than most of the rest of the world.
	We got a chat coming through here, and then we'll get the rest of the chats.
	Pasty George donated $200.
	And Chair One proves why we have a childbirth rate crisis by reciting her feministic bullshit.
	Good job.
	Well, first of all, you have no clue how many children I want to have in the future.
	How many do you want?
	I don't know.
	Probably more than two.
	Two, maybe more.
	I don't want them to be lonely.
	I'm an only child.
	Second of all, if I don't want to give birth, then I'm not going to give birth, and that's none of your fucking issue.
	So who cares if there's a child rate crisis?
	Honestly, the world would be better off without humans anyway.
	Yeah.
	Wait, hold on.
	Let's just do a little bit.
	Wait, the world would be better off without humans anyway.
	So are you an anti-natalist?
	What do you mean?
	Like you're not, you don't like children or you're against them?
	No, absolutely not.
	But you said the world would be better off without there would be no humans?
	I think, yeah.
	Well, I mean, it begs the question then: what's stopping you from just unaliving?
	Myself, the fact that there's an entire world of people around me, so it wouldn't really do much if I just killed myself.
	Well, okay.
	Sorry, unalive myself.
	But you said that the world would be better off.
	That sounds like an odd claim.
	Like global warming and like all the issues we have because we live on an overpopulated planet wouldn't be happening.
	War wouldn't be happening.
	Nukes wouldn't be happening.
	But it would be much simpler.
	Well, incorrect.
	They wouldn't be alive.
	And I'm saying we're already here, so I don't know.
	Hold on, wait, wait, hold on.
	Wait, wait.
	Dinosaurs are going to come back?
	Hold on.
	How the fuck is that?
	I didn't say that.
	I'm just saying if evolution skipped human beings and it was just monkeys and the rest of the world.
	Damn, that's a hot take there.
	That's a hot take.
	But it does beg the question if like the most mass destruction of the planet.
	Without humans, I think it would be a lot more peaceful.
	We're already here.
	I'm not saying we should kill all humans.
	I'm just saying we're already here, so it's already happened.
	However, technically, the world would be better off without.
	So if I were to, I mean, I guess I could go ahead and grant that humans are destructive towards the planet.
	Although, like, what precisely does that mean?
	I'm sure you enjoy living in an air-conditioned house and having heating and running water.
	Of course.
	However, if I was born and raised with none of that, I would survive.
	I think we sometimes take for granted the costs of modernity.
	Oh, I love the comforts we have.
	However, the comforts come with a cost.
	Yes, the comforts exist.
	And I'm only here for a short amount of time, and so is everyone else.
	Wait.
	You know, I understand that those comforts are a big thing.
	I think global warming, some people even dispute if this is the severity of it and all sorts of things.
	I think this is, assuming it is the case, is a necessary evil.
	Like, if you look at electricity, I guess the usage of fossil fuels have brought more people out of poverty than sort of like anything else.
	Well, maybe not.
	Energy is what has brought more people out of poverty and starvation.
	If you look at the global, what's the exact term?
	Like the global poverty rate has greatly been diminished through human ingenuity.
	And so if you look at the like these sort of civilizations or populations where there was mass amounts of like hunger and poverty, we've been able through energy usage and introducing industrialization to them, we've been able to bring them slowly out of poverty, out of hunger, out of starvation.
	So I think, are there negative consequences of industrialization and this sort of thing and energy usage?
	Sure, but I think the benefits outweigh the costs.
	But poverty is a construct created by humans.
	Monkeys don't look at other monkeys and say they're poor.
	We're going to not give them food.
	Like in most animals, they just have a way of living and it just continues on and on and it's just the way it is.
	We've created a whole system that's much more complicated.
	Which again, I'm not saying all humans deserve to be abolished.
	I'm not saying we should.
	Isn't that what you were saying?
	No, I'm saying that if the world was going to be perfect, maybe we wouldn't have evolved to this point to a point where we're so intellectual that we can create such giant systems that harm the rest of the planet.
	That's all I'm saying.
	We're already here, so might as well enjoy it and do what we can to try and save the planet.
	But if we had all stayed primates and none of this complex stuff would happen, we wouldn't be complaining that we didn't have AC and that we weren't rich.
	We would just be living life as simple creatures.
	Yeah, sure.
	I suppose it's the case that if we didn't evolve, then we wouldn't, like, it's sort of ignorance is bliss.
	Yeah.
	Which is how the other animals live.
	Right, but most of these animals aren't self-aware.
	But that's what I'm saying.
	Okay.
	Our self-awareness and our intellectual abilities has hurt the planet monstrously.
	Do you agree?
	Do you think that's the thing?
	things we've created have hurt this planet whether we want to admit it or not so you think we should go back to no we're already here We can't go back.
	Here we have a chat coming through here.
	Thank you, Pacey George.
	Pasty George donated $200.
	And once again, Chair One's response proves me.
	S. Tar Vila and Rachel Wilson correct.
	We are so cooked and near collapse because of feminism.
	Good job.
	Thank you.
	Who are either of those women?
	Well, he just donated $200 just to type that.
	He did.
	You can have that opinion.
	He did just do that.
	I'm proud of you.
	You did just do that.
	I'm proud of you for spending $200 to give me that opinion.
	Do you want to say something nice about Pasty George?
	You want to give it a question?
	I just said I'm proud of him.
	Oh, you're proud of him.
	$100 and giving me an opinion.
	Pelagic 6, thank you for the $100 soup chat.
	Good to see you in the chat, man.
	Chair 1 argues using logical fallacy only.
	She's a total clown.
	Do you want to respond to that?
	Also, if you want to.
	Takes me to know one.
	Wear this hat for like you have to spin the helicopter on.
	You know, I knew two boys in middle school who wore these every day.
	Wait, how do I?
	You guys spin it.
	Slap it.
	There you go.
	Love it.
	It's good.
	Total clown.
	Thank you.
	I'll take it back, though.
	You can give it.
	He doesn't want me wearing it to mine.
	Doesn't want lice.
	I'm curious.
	You've got lice.
	Here.
	Disinfect that, Felicity.
	All right.
	Let's see here.
	We have Lizzie plowing a field, hooking up ropes to a drag and attached to an ox.
	They cannot do this.
	Maybe you can't.
	My grandma did that.
	You know what?
	I also, Maren has a Finsta, and she posted.
	You post, she wrangles cattle.
	I do.
	And she also, I've seen her do amazing feats of strength.
	So we do have an outlier here at the table, Maren.
	She has done various.
	I actually grew up on a farm.
	She actually wrestled.
	My grandparents were farmers and my grandma would help out with all that stuff.
	Thank you.
	Thank you for sharing.
	I appreciate that.
	Okay.
	And we had cows.
	I would wrangle the cows too.
	I love that.
	Pelagic, her gaslighting is moronic and insufferable.
	Do you want to respond to Pelagic there?
	Is he talking about me?
	I think it's talking about you, yeah.
	Okay.
	Explain gaslighting.
	I mean, we just got to give animals time to catch up.
	I don't know about all that.
	We are all animals.
	What about dolphins?
	You're an animal where they discriminate.
	Bro, spend $100 just to tell me that.
	Can any of the women at this table name a single career that would be more important than staying home at raising, homeschooling their own children?
	I'll open up to the whole panel here.
	Well, my question for you is, is it sexist to say that men can't stay at home and raise the children?
	Men are just as capable of raising children as women.
	Women have to breastfeed for a certain amount of time, but after that, why can't men teach and homeschool their children?
	Are you saying that men aren't capable of teaching their children?
	I mean, my response to this would actually go back to women's own sexist, traditional gender role expectations of men.
	So even if men wanted to do that, I would say the vast majority of women are not going to be okay dating a guy who's like, I don't want to work.
	You be the breadwinner.
	I'm going to stay home and take care of the kids.
	Most women, I think even feminist liberal women, don't want that kind of relationship dynamic.
	Whereas I think there's far more men who would be, assuming they make the earn the level of income to be able to support it, there are more men who would be okay with the reverse.
	Of course.
	However, I believe that only that only reason for that happening is because of the societal standards that have been placed for years and years and decades and decades by men.
	How would it, but no, it's enforced by women.
	Wow.
	Easy.
	But women were.
	I'm a woman.
	I don't want to be in a relationship or have children with a man who's not willing to be a provider.
	What would that have to do with men?
	That would be strictly women having a standard and men being like, well, shit, if I can't get a wife and I can't have children, if I'm not a provider.
	As I've said before, which you seem to not believe, it's because women were not allowed to have as high paying of jobs.
	Maybe it was because of physical strength.
	But regardless, they were not given opportunities to have as high paying jobs as men were.
	So men were expected to make the money because they were allowed to have higher paying jobs.
	And before there were things as nannies and whatever, like rich women did have nannies and whatever.
	But like before that was a thing, it was the woman's job to take care of the children in the home because that was all they were allowed to do.
	The thing is, though, is that if we're talking about modernity and we're talking about current gender roles, my position would still be, even though women have more equality than they've ever had, they've had more freedom than they've ever had, they're making more money than they've ever had in all of human history.
	So combine all these things.
	More freedom, more rights, more opportunity, more success than at any point in human history.
	And women in the U.S. enjoy this especially.
	It's interesting.
	Women still don't want to date men that say or want to be stay-at-home fathers.
	And I believe, I mean, no, maybe I'm wrong, but I believe it's because of the societal pressures that have been handed down for centuries.
	To who?
	To men or to women?
	To women.
	Which societal pressure?
	That we are supposed to stay home and take care of the child and take care of the home.
	And women are supposed to cook and women are supposed to clean.
	And you can't cook and clean and take care of the children if you have a job.
	So it's just more like normalized for women to stay home.
	But I like my dad stayed home with me for years while my mom worked.
	Your mom was the breadwinner?
	Yeah.
	She still is.
	Are your parents still together?
	Yep.
	Okay.
	I'm not saying my dad's.
	My mom still is the breadwinner.
	Okay.
	She has the higher paying job and my dad technically has no job right now.
	He stays at home, he cleans and he cooks.
	And it's, and my whole family is totally fine.
	Sure.
	And I'm not disputing that that happens.
	I'm not saying it's an impossibility.
	I'm just saying that generally speaking, even when women make a fuck ton of money, they still are probably not going to be okay dating a guy who wants to be the stay-at-home dad.
	But you say probably like you've spoken to every woman in the U.S. You can't just say probably.
	You say maybe.
	If this is the appeal you're making, I would just reverse the appeal to you.
	Have you spoken to every single woman in the U.S.?
	No, that's not a speaker.
	Have you spoken to every single man in the U.S.?
	That's why I'm not saying definitely or probably.
	I'm saying they have the ability to.
	And if societal standards weren't as what they were, then maybe, not probably, maybe it would be different.
	Can I ask you a question?
	Have you seen the sky from every single geographical location in the world?
	No.
	But you would be confident to say the following, for example.
	You might say probably the sky is blue everywhere in the world.
	Sure.
	Okay.
	But probably not at every time.
	So we don't.
	What do you mean?
	The sky could be gray at a different place because it's cloudy.
	Okay, here, I'll add a qualifier.
	If it's daytime and if there's no clouds and the sun's showing, is that my exact location?
	I wouldn't say probably.
	In any geographic location where those are the explicit circumstances.
	I would never say probably about that.
	For one half of the world, it's nighttime, the other half of the world, it's nighttime.
	No, but I said it is.
	Clouds, rain.
	I said if there's no clouds, if there's no clouds.
	In my exact location, I still wouldn't use the word probably.
	Wait, so just to be clear, if it was daytime and there were no clouds, clear skies.
	And I'm in LA, California.
	You would say, under what circumstance would the sky not be blue?
	In the other side of the world where it's nighttime.
	But no, you were saying in your location.
	Yeah.
	I would never say a probably about the entire world.
	I added, okay, I added the qualifier.
	Whichever geographic location it is, in that specific location, it is daytime and there are no clouds.
	You would say that it's a blue sky?
	Where I was, yeah.
	Not just where you were, but somewhere else.
	Like, for example, make that assumption.
	Would you agree that anywhere in California right now it's nighttime?
	Yeah.
	Everywhere currently in California, like the sun is not visible.
	I don't know.
	It has set.
	I don't know where the sun, I don't know what time the sun sets in the northern regions of California or whatever.
	But yeah, I'd say it's probably nighttime in California right now.
	All right, there you have it.
	That's way different than what you said, probably.
	You said probably all women in the U.S. wouldn't feel that.
	I didn't say, I said probably most women would not be okay with that sort of thing.
	Am I right?
	Why would you say probably?
	You don't know that.
	Well, that's why I'm saying probably, I suppose.
	Maybe.
	Probably.
	Probably it's the case.
	Okay.
	Probably just insinuates that you're probably correct when you just maybe correct.
	Okay, well, do you think I'm wrong?
	I don't know.
	I haven't asked every woman in the entire life.
	You don't need to ask every woman.
	can just use your intuition or just like I don't think so I think if you asked a handful of women if they would be fine doing that, if the husband said, I'm going to take full responsibility of the kids and the cooking and the cleaning if you work a job, I'm not sure.
	I feel a lot of women would be okay with that.
	I'd like to ask probably the highest earning woman here at the table, your corporate attorney, tax attorney.
	Do you mind saying, I don't know if you're okay with it, how much do you make per year?
	You make six figures?
	I make, yeah, six-figure, but not a small six-figure.
	Can you say what it is?
	Over 200.
	Okay, would you be willing to date a guy who is a barista and maybe this guy is great, but he wants to stay home and take care of the kids and stop working once you guys have children?
	To be very honest, I think I would prefer a guy who's also financially stable.
	I mean, I don't mind sharing the child caring responsibility, but I would rather him not be a stay-at-home dad.
	But of course, it would also depend on the man because I have seen women who have to support their husbands or partners going through like college, getting their advanced degrees.
	So I would say it's really case-by-case.
	Thank you.
	Okay, and really quick, just for the super chat here, if any, just any of the other women here, can any women name a single career that would be more important than staying home raising your own children?
	I don't think uneducated people should homeschool their kids.
	Answer the actual question, please, if you can.
	But the question's confusing.
	Because do you mean like there's a zero, for men or women, there's zero occupation that's more important than raising a child?
	Because you can make the same argument for like no man's job is more important than helping raise their child.
	However, we need different occupations to survive in the world the way that we've built it.
	Anybody want to respond to it besides her?
	I mean, I just want to chime in.
	I think it also depends on how you define important.
	I mean, of course, it's always nice to have someone like taking care of the child at home, but also you need a steady source of income to feed the children, to feed the family.
	Who's going to put the food on the table otherwise?
	We have Clain here with the message.
	Clain donated $200.
	Thank you, man.
	I appreciate it.
	Animals kill the weak of their society.
	Humans have evolved to keep even the mentally weak alive.
	See Chair One.
	Also, see Chair One Chest for Y. Guessing boyfriend is deaf.
	And if not, poor Zoom of a bitch.
	You spell poor wrong.
	But other than that, you gotta spell check these guys.
	My boyfriend loves me very much, so he's not deaf or blind or anything.
	Thank you for assuming.
	And scoot into the table a bit.
	And I don't really know what else to say to that.
	We have another super chat here.
	Thank you, Pacey.
	George donated 200.
	Thank you, thank you.
	As long as my super chats and TTSs contribute to informing good men about the bullshit of feminism to chair one and two in turn, what duties and responsibilities do women have towards men?
	You spell bullshit wrong.
	But the duties and responsibilities that women have towards men, none.
	And men don't have duties or responsibilities towards women either.
	So I don't know what you want me to say towards that.
	What about you?
	I'm on the same page as you.
	I want to say something about that.
	Sure, quick if you can.
	Yes, quickly.
	In a relationship, I think that it's based on love.
	Society might not support that.
	Today, women are today.
	We're asking, would you marry a man that makes less money than you?
	And what about would you marry a man that treats you well?
	Would you marry a man that you love?
	Would you marry a man that loves you?
	When there's love, and I can say it because I did love, and my late husband loved me, it was real love.
	And I am a piano teacher.
	I was teaching in my house, and it was a pleasure to cook for him.
	It wasn't being a servant, it's the fruit, the product of loving each other.
	He's going to go out, he's going to work, and he's going to bring me what I need.
	No, because he's my servant.
	And I love him so much that knowing that he's doing what he's doing, I'm going to iron his clothes.
	When we go out on the dating, he looks awesome because I love him.
	And I'm going to cook for him.
	So everything is a consequence of love.
	And if we go back in time, what's the origin of love?
	God is love.
	God is love.
	No, God created, God invented.
	God is love.
	And if we focus on love, and I'm not talking about religion, I'm not a religious person.
	I hate religion.
	But God, a relationship with the superior intelligence, okay?
	When there's real love, when we follow love, well, God communicates with us through the Bible, through the Bible.
	And when the Bible talks about family, and there's things that have to do with history, when things that I don't agree with the Bible, okay?
	I'm talking about love.
	I'm talking about family.
	God founded family.
	That was the first society that was founded on love, on God.
	And if we follow the same way as we follow a car manual, we put gas in a car.
	We don't put a Gatorade.
	Okay, same thing for a family.
	If we do this, if we follow this, and what does the Bible say?
	So we have to go back to who founded the family, who founded it, and what is it founded on?
	And what are the rules?
	And we really go back in time.
	It really says that the man is the protector, that the woman, and everything is a product of love.
	That's pretty much what I wanted to say.
	It's not being a servant.
	What are women getting protected from?
	Who are women getting protected from?
	Well, I can tell you, in my case, for example, my husband protected me about everything about being somebody talking back to me, protected about making sure that the house is closed at night, protecting it.
	Sometimes when I was sick and I was sick for a long time, he was the one working hard.
	When I got on myself on my feet, I was working helping him.
	So what was I getting protected?
	Everything.
	He was watching out for me.
	A product of love.
	And love can do everything.
	Love is not selfish.
	God protects.
	I mean, it's very clear what it is.
	Love is a way to manipulate people.
	Love is.
	Love is not a factor.
	A lot of people get married because of contracts.
	That's not love.
	That's not love.
	But that's the society we live in.
	Exactly.
	That's not real love.
	I'll agree with you.
	Love is totally the reason.
	And even though I do not believe in God and I don't support organized religion that much, I love that people use God as a way to appreciate love.
	Just like you said, I love cooking for my boyfriend.
	I'll make him a sandwich.
	I'll make him a meal.
	I love waiting on him hand and foot.
	It brings me joy.
	However, he does not expect that, which is such a blessing because he'll ask me, like, please let me do it.
	I'll be like, no, I want to do it.
	I want to make you food.
	I want to clean up after you.
	Like, I enjoy doing that.
	However, if he said, do it now, like, make me this food, that's wrong.
	That's wrong.
	And so much throughout history, that has happened.
	And I'm so grateful that I'm at a place and I have a person that allows me to be happy giving for him and waiting on him.
	However, there's a lot of people in the world and even in the U.S. still that don't feel happy waiting on others and are still forced to.
	And I think that's like, even though we're so lucky to like get men that we want to provide for and they let us provide for them and they provide for us in different ways, there's still the people who don't get that choice and who are more so expected just to do it, even if they don't want to, even if the man isn't nice to them.
	Then leave him.
	I invite somebody else.
	Somebody really attacks you sometimes.
	Sometimes for some people, it's difficult to do it.
	And that's my point.
	When it's based on love, it's different.
	It's different.
	If there's no love, if you choose a person for money, if you choose a person for the position in society, if you choose it, then you're going to run some consequences.
	And if you just, there's, you know, there's a previous relationship before the marriage, being a girlfriend, being a fiancé, being, you know, how to say engaged.
	Totally, totally.
	And then you get to see there.
	That's what it is for.
	You get to see that she respects me.
	Can I do this?
	And then you may choose yes or not, you know?
	But when there's true, real love, none of this happens.
	However, when you teach the woman that it is their job and duty to wait on the man, that's when it's no longer about love.
	It's more like they expect that.
	And they can become mean about expecting that.
	Nobody ever taught me nothing.
	I did it.
	And that's wonderful for you.
	That's what I'm trying to do.
	But for some people, it's taught.
	Well, but that's what I'm trying to say.
	That if we found the family on a very strong route, which is love, it's not going to happen.
	So you're the one that's choosing.
	You have an engagement previous to see how is this relationship.
	And if you choose wrong, then you're going to, if you choose somebody that makes you a slave, then you're going to be miserable.
	But then choose.
	Choose somebody that loves you.
	Just somebody that isn't going to treat you as a servant.
	And if somebody does, leave him.
	And if you don't like the amount of money that you're making, go study and get another job.
	Everything, I think, is our own decision.
	You know, but if there's men that makes you do things, absolutely, that's wrong.
	Shouldn't happen.
	Absolutely.
	Do you expect your boyfriend to protect you?
	No.
	No?
	So if a man came up to you and slapped you on the ass, you wouldn't expect him to punch him in the face.
	No.
	Really?
	Blow vibrational to him.
	I mean, if he did, I'd be like, oh, that's crazy.
	But like, I can slap a man in the face by myself.
	But would you think that he's indifferent?
	No.
	You wouldn't think he doesn't want to get arrested for assault.
	But he is.
	I mean, that would be a good idea.
	That's what happens to him.
	Yeah, he would be not self-defense for himself.
	If a man slaps me in the ass and someone else slaps that man, that's not self-defense.
	You can come to defense of a third party and you would still fall under self-defense laws.
	Okay.
	So like if he did that, I'd be grateful.
	I would never expect him to do so.
	Right, but just a clarification on the self-defense laws.
	If you're with your child and an adult starts attacking your child, you can beat the shit out of the person attacking your child.
	But what if all three parties are adults?
	Yeah, you can still do that too.
	So like if your self-defense would apply, you can come to the defense of somebody else.
	So this would apply, this can apply in all kinds of situations.
	Okay.
	But I would say if a man slapped me on the ass with no permission and I turned around, I would not wait for my boyfriend to hit him.
	I'd hit him myself if I felt like it.
	Do you expect your boyfriend to follow the sidewalk rule?
	What is that?
	Walking on the rule.
	Having you walk on the inside instead of him walking on the outside where he could get hit by a car.
	Yes, shivering.
	No, I've never expected that.
	However, if he does do that, I think it's good.
	But I literally could not hear less.
	I wait in front of the door for the man to open the door for me.
	I open the door for my boyfriend all the time and he gets offended and I'm like, just let me open the door.
	If you gotta let men be men and let them be shivers for us, we have to allow them to be gentlemen.
	If you ever is not dead.
	Yeah, we have to allow them.
	We don't give enough time, enough space for him.
	I know.
	I just don't expect it.
	So like when it happens, maybe I'm a little bit excited.
	I'm like, oh, that was like a sound.
	I was like you when I was younger.
	But she asked me, do I expect him to follow the sidewalk rule?
	Do I expect him to hit a man who tries to attack me or whatever?
	No, I don't expect it at all.
	And I wouldn't be mad at him if he was.
	Pop whatever you'd like.
	Jungle's donated $1,000.
	Yeah, thank you, John.
	$1,000.
	Pop whatever you'd like, Brian.
	Champagne or Kool-Aid for the youngins.
	So I.
	No more popsicles.
	Find a man.
	Oh.
	I'm off the market.
	Sorry.
	Long.
	Really?
	Bro, said, I'm off the market.
	Why are you saying really?
	As if you're going to hunt down his username and ask him out after the show.
	I could get them connected, but he's off the market.
	He's, you know, whatever.
	I'm not on the market either.
	I thought you were single.
	That doesn't mean I'm on the market.
	She's off the market, guys.
	Sorry.
	All right.
	So I texted him.
	He was like, Kool-Aid.
	So we're going to, instead of champagne, we're going to do Capri Sun.
	Who wants a Capri Sun?
	I'm okay.
	You don't want a Capri Sun?
	Okay.
	Capri Sun?
	Capri Sun?
	Well, flavor.
	It's like juice.
	I know what it is.
	I'll have a bit.
	You'll have it.
	You'll have some.
	Santa water.
	Okay.
	I'll have some sparkling water, actually.
	Yeah.
	Do you want Capri Sun back there?
	Yeah.
	Retasado, please.
	1942, actually.
	Wait, you want one?
	I would like some champagne.
	Like an adult.
	Do you want Caprio?
	I do not want juice.
	I am not champagne.
	Okay, you want Capri Sun?
	Okay, sure.
	Yes.
	Yes.
	Do you want Capri Sun?
	It's juice.
	Okay.
	Do you want one?
	Sure.
	Okay, do five.
	Do five.
	All right, jungle.
	Thank you, man.
	Appreciate it.
	I got to let the rest of the chats come through.
	Can I quickly just ask: do the mannequins have names?
	Yes.
	What are their names?
	Kiki and Ashley.
	Is Kiki the pink-haired one?
	Blue hair.
	Oh, okay, Kiki and Ashley.
	I was offered by a company to get my whole from one of those girls.
	Oh, really quick, that reminds me.
	Before the show, before the show started, you were showing Maren pictures of a guy you dated?
	No, pictures of herself.
	But there was a guy in one of the pictures, right?
	Well, I seem to recall there was a, you were showing her pictures before the show.
	And Marin, you responded by saying, ooh, he's very ugly.
	You deserve better.
	That was probably a bad person.
	I said that she was hotter than him, per se.
	And she made it clear that they were not together anymore and that he wasn't a great person.
	I thought you said he wasn't supposed to be.
	So I'm being supportive.
	During the time when we were dating, after I found out, he wasn't a nice guy now.
	Wait, when you say you were being supportive, what do you mean?
	If a girlfriend shows you a picture of a guy that did her dirty and says, look at this one, you're not going to be like, oh my God, he's so hot.
	You're going to be like, yeah, you don't have to say that.
	But was it the case?
	I just said he's hot.
	But you weren't even dating him, right?
	No, the guy I showed her, yes, I was dating him.
	Oh, okay.
	And I'll tell you what.
	And I simply said that she was more attractive than he was.
	No, you said, ooh, very ugly.
	You deserve better.
	And what about it?
	She needs to say that.
	Let me ask you a question.
	Let me ask you a question.
	Let's say there was a guy.
	Let's say there was a guy.
	And this guy, he was dating a woman.
	This is real.
	Thank you.
	And you overheard a conversation between two men.
	And the guy, I guess, had a falling out with his girlfriend.
	Right.
	And the male friends were saying to the guy who broke up with his girlfriend or whatever, yeah, bro, you deserve better.
	That chick was a fatty, dude.
	She was fucking fat and ugly.
	Ew, bro.
	Ooh, fuck.
	She had a nose ring.
	Ew.
	You'd be cool with that.
	Yeah.
	Really?
	Yeah.
	Even the nose ring.
	Yeah, you're talking about me.
	I think friends should support friends.
	Let's do it.
	If me.
	Cheers.
	Capri Sun, cheers.
	Cheers, Capri Sun.
	Bruh.
	Thank you.
	Thank you, Jungle.
	We got the jungle juice here.
	They should pay you for that publicity.
	That's why you said no rent.
	Eh, we get some.
	Whatever, whatever.
	It's Capri Sun.
	Fuck it.
	They get some earned.
	No endorsement.
	Anyways, whatever.
	Moving on.
	I got to move it on.
	Josh Brooks, chair one.
	Women get paid less in sports because people don't buy tickets as much as male sports.
	I know that.
	When was the last time you saw a woman do a double under leg slam dunk in the Disney?
	I love watching men's sports.
	I don't watch the NBA or the WNBA, so I wouldn't know.
	I love that.
	But do you think it's fair?
	No, I do think it's fair that because more people watch men's sports, they get paid more because they have a bigger audience and their stadiums are filled more.
	That makes sense.
	I never said that.
	That didn't make sense.
	So I don't know why that person's saying that I said something different because we never even talked about that.
	It's possible he might have assumed just because of some of your other positions that you would have argued that the wages between like NBA and WNBA players should be equalized.
	I don't think that makes sense.
	But okay, nothing to argue with you there.
	Men's sports have been along around for way longer, and so they have way bigger of a fan base.
	they have more people involved, they have bigger...
	Sports is a way to control people's minds.
	Oh.
	Oh, okay.
	Well, what do you know about that?
	It's a way to make people not think for themselves and watch other people play sports.
	It's a way to control people.
	It's all fake.
	It's all owned by Disney.
	What?
	You know what, though?
	Then NFL and all of that is not a good thing to have in society.
	I think it's healthy competition and humans.
	No, they hurt each other, their brains, their brains get damaged.
	Well, they sign themselves up for that.
	Knock children.
	Not children when they have to.
	She's got a bit of a bunch of people.
	Parents totally make their kids play sports sometimes, but at a certain age, they can get out of it if they want.
	At the NFL level, I know a lot of NFL guys.
	Anyways, have you?
	Never mind.
	Yes, I've been here.
	Yes.
	Big sass energy.
	Chair one is proof against all of her own arguments.
	She is both more hostile and dumber dumber than man dumper.
	Dumber.
	Sorry, I'm drunk off of the Capri son.
	Despite her claim of the opposite, she is everything she hates, which is herself.
	Do you want to respond to that?
	I have absolutely no clue what that comment was trying to say.
	Thank you for spending money.
	Oh, Jungle, this guy.
	Oh, my God.
	Jungle is on fire.
	Jungle really wants to talk.
	Jungle's on fire.
	Oh, my goodness.
	I'll pop up the champagne bottle.
	Jungle.
	Give me a donated one.
	Mary, can you grab me the champagne?
	Pop champagne.
	Thank you.
	Is it really champagne or is it sparkling wine?
	Seek and ye shall find.
	Champagne is from France.
	With a hat, spin the hat.
	Take a bow and realize that your man awaits you out there.
	Go get him.
	Where did I put that?
	Cheers, Brian.
	What?
	Are you in defense of my ex?
	I'm really so sorry.
	Oh, chair seven.
	Oh, it's for you.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, put the hat on.
	My hat.
	Spin it.
	Wait.
	Why is like the part?
	Spin it.
	That's so stupid.
	And then I think something about take a bow.
	Sparkling wine.
	It's California champagne.
	So it's not champagne.
	Champagne is from a region in France.
	Oh, thank you for the correction there, Michelle.
	But champagne is made in a region in France, so is tequila.
	Like tequila is made in a region of Mexico.
	It can't be named something else.
	That's sparkling wine.
	That's not champagne.
	It's California.
	It literally says California champagne.
	Because champagne is from a city of Chinese.
	Yeah, but when people are in France.
	I know a lot about champagne.
	Okay.
	Sparkling wine has a lot about children.
	I just don't understand the empty crystal bottle versus what he's actually opening.
	Yeah, like, why can't we have that one?
	The one that's empty.
	Where's the thousand dollars they donate?
	Yeah.
	Right.
	We get it.
	I just thought of champagne.
	Yeah.
	They call it the crystal.
	Ah.
	I'm just saying, I know a lot of French people.
	My French friends would never say that's champagne.
	Do you guys want refills on your champagne?
	I think you're.
	Yeah, sparkling wine, yes.
	It's champagne.
	California.
	Pass them for me, Felicity, here.
	We got Pasty George here.
	Let me call my French guy.
	Pasty Corner.
	Chair one, what kind of pathetic simp man do you have?
	He would not punch out a random guy who slapped your unicorn.
	You do realize that a man will hit you back.
	Right.
	You are coping and capping 100%.
	I just had to grab one.
	First of all, my boyfriend won 1,000% hit someone who tried to touch me.
	But I didn't say that he wouldn't.
	I said that I wouldn't expect it.
	I know for a fact that my boyfriend would fight back for me.
	However, like I said, I wouldn't expect it.
	I wouldn't be mad at him if he didn't.
	Because I'm my own person and I can defend myself.
	Okay, cool.
	Let's do a cheers.
	Cheers to Jungle.
	Giga Chad.
	Cheers.
	Thank you, man.
	You're fucking legend.
	You're a gentleman.
	$2,000.
	He's a decent man.
	He's a pioneer.
	Cheers.
	That's true.
	Fucking Polish.
	Merci Buku, Jungle.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	What a fucking legend.
	What a legend here.
	Thank you for that, Jungle.
	Okay, more chats.
	Everything was invented and built by men.
	I would love to see women overthrow men to get the privilege to higher education or to work more.
	Okay.
	I love it.
	We all need to.
	We all need it.
	It's a symbiotic relationship.
	We're the yin to our yang.
	We need each other in order to survive and to have a better.
	You guys want to fight each other so bad.
	This is this against this.
	This against this.
	We need each other.
	We're the yin to each other's yang.
	Without men, we won't have kids.
	Without, it's like, who?
	It's like a, I can't say dick, but whatever.
	It's like a dick sharing contest.
	Like, who has the bigger one?
	Oh my God, what does it matter?
	We all are here on the society.
	We're all here to try to be better people than you.
	I'll tell you why it matters.
	He's going to tell you why it matters.
	I'll tell you why I matter.
	That's why Jick Size matters.
	So there are narratives.
	There are narratives.
	So, first off, in order for the propagation of the species, you need both men and women, right?
	Of course.
	I agree with you.
	It's impossible without men, impossible without women.
	In order to propagate the species, you need both.
	However, however, there seems to be narratives, and these narratives are perpetuated by feminists, by self-described misandrists like Maren here, that seek to diminish the degree to which all the modern comforts that we take for granted,
	how these are all a result of male labor and ingenuity and genius, and you're diminishing the contribution of men, and you basically paint men as this monolithic monster, and you paint men as these terrible people throughout all of human history and even today.
	And then women are perpetually oppressed and women are perpetually victimized.
	And it's a terrible narrative to spin.
	But realistically, when it does come down to survival, the material reality of existence and survivability greatly, greatly, disproportionately depends on men.
	So men are so inextricably involved in critical infrastructure that if you were to remove these men or if all men were to disappear, this would be so catastrophic in a myriad of ways that I couldn't even fully articulate.
	And the cascading effects of the removal of men from critical infrastructure, these men who are nameless, who you don't even know exist, who keep you safe at night, who keep the electricity on, who keep the water running, who keep the telecommunication systems going.
	These things, these systems, many of you probably don't even have a base-level understanding of.
	If these men were to disappear, there would be catastrophic, cascading failures, essentially bringing us back within a period of a month to literally like pre-civilization living standards.
	Same thing about women.
	If you disappear, the same thing would happen.
	Here's the difference.
	Here's the difference.
	And you're not going to be able to argue to the op to the counter.
	So I agree.
	So if all men disappear, it's the end of the species.
	If all women disappear, it's the end of the species for both.
	However, if we're looking at what happens in that scenario where all men disappear, all women disappear, if all men disappear, it's going to be very sad.
	Obviously, nobody wants to lose their wives, their sisters, mothers, et cetera, et cetera.
	It's going to be the end of the species.
	That's going to massively suck.
	But if you look at in terms of survivability, men will be able for the years they have left, men will be able to maintain the current systems and infrastructure.
	Because they need the system.
	Sure.
	Yes, I agree.
	Thank you for proving my point.
	That enable us to enjoy the comforts of modernity.
	If all men disappeared, trust me, you guys would be living in the stone age.
	However, you're assuming that if history went differently and women were in charge, we'd never get to this point.
	You have not making that claim.
	I'm not making the claim.
	But because men were able to create the system and shut women out and they created the system and now they rule the system.
	Yes, if all men disappeared, we'd have trouble.
	However, if in history things went different and people were always considered equal, men and women were always considered equal, and women had the opportunity to make their own system, I think we would do just fine.
	I need to do that.
	And you have no proof.
	Here, pull up Discord.
	I don't want to see any videos of men doing work.
	Yes, you do.
	Because you assume that women couldn't do that work just because you don't have a video of them.
	Pull it up.
	Trust me.
	Pull this shit up.
	Pull this shit up.
	Mary, pull it up.
	No, no, no, don't.
	You can't show that.
	Here, scroll down.
	Men at work, please.
	Men at work.
	All right, scroll down.
	Scroll down.
	There's firefighters, predominantly men.
	Let's do line workers.
	Scroll down.
	Full screen that first one, please.
	Click on it.
	Full screen it.
	Okay.
	This is a dude.
	Women don't want to do this shit.
	I'm telling you, women don't want to do this shit.
	Let's agree to the shit.
	Like, when, look, when the electricity goes out and it's below freezing, it's men who are going to be there at 3 a.m. in the below freezing cold temperature when it's fucking hailing, doing shit like doing gangster shit.
	Like this.
	You know what?
	If this was my only opportunity of job work, I could do it and I would do a great job.
	And you just have no idea what it is.
	Women don't want to do it is the thing.
	Nothing's stopping women from doing this.
	Literally nothing but their own choice.
	Okay.
	Isn't that the argument, though, for why in America we let illegals do our like gardening and stuff?
	Because nobody Americans don't want to do that kind of labor anymore.
	What do you think?
	No, that's a good point.
	Ex out of that, let me see what else.
	There's one other video I wanted to make.
	She made a good point and you just said, what does that have to do with anything and moved on to show another video of a man doing something that a woman could easily do?
	Full screen that shit.
	Maren, you're going to be doing this while you're doing this shit.
	Depends how much money I'm making.
	Bro, this guy gets paid $30 an hour.
	Do you know that for a fact?
	I'm just, bro, I'm spitballing.
	I don't know how much he actually makes.
	Who knows?
	He's not making 200K.
	I grew up in a small town.
	I had no other choices.
	I had no idea.
	Why not?
	Let's ask it.
	Let's ask.
	Ocean workers.
	Click that shit.
	Click the, you know what?
	Click the show.
	No, no.
	Bro, Maren, you want to do this shit?
	You want to be out on there?
	Well, I'm a little scared of the ocean.
	Oh, okay.
	She's scared of the ocean.
	But I know women who have done that.
	You want to kick it?
	You want to kick it?
	Women could easily do it.
	You're going to kick it on the fucking oil, Derek.
	But the problem is that women could do that.
	But why wouldn't we?
	Just because men dominate the fields doesn't mean that women can't do it.
	They can do it.
	It's the fact that they don't want to do it.
	Wait, wait, wait.
	Hold on.
	Nobody wants to fucking do that.
	Wait, Maren.
	Here, we're going to watch this shit.
	Just play that shit.
	Play that shit.
	So here's the thing, right?
	You could take, like, this job right here requires so much strength and stamina.
	I'm telling you, like, you could take a guy and put him in this, and he'll get there at one point.
	I genuinely think it's the case that you put most women in what they're about to do.
	They just don't have the physical strength to do it.
	They don't have the physical strength to do it.
	What is that?
	It's oil workers.
	Roughnecks.
	I'm not doing that.
	Oh, my God.
	So hold on.
	They do.
	These things are like, and their fingers get fucking smashed and like this is really these guys are ideal husband material.
	How?
	I'm not sure how that relates at all to the music.
	Because you keep showing us blue-collar men.
	Like, these are our ideal husbands.
	Show us the CEOs.
	They're harder workers than the soy boys that we see everywhere.
	This is not like a pointless comment.
	This conversation has, it's like, it's idiotic.
	I just don't know.
	I just don't see a point in showing blue color men and saying women don't do this at all and just showing us videos of men when there are women who work those jobs.
	And just because there's more men than women doesn't mean jack shit.
	Women could still do it.
	Just because they don't as much, just because men are more likely to do so because men are more required to be physically strong because of societal standards does not mean that women could never do that job.
	That's all I'm saying.
	I love that.
	I'm not saying that women do that all the time.
	Men do that more often, for sure.
	Women could still do it.
	Jungle.
	Can you send me a message on Instagram?
	What do you want me to pop?
	What do you want me to do?
	He's probably an unnumbered.
	I'm saying, get out there and make yourself available for that new man.
	Chair one, Eon.
	Chair two, blah, blah.
	Ha ha ha.
	Jungle, I'm messaging with you on Instagram right now.
	Do you want me to do a different pop?
	What do you want?
	I wish I had my glasses.
	What do you want me to pop?
	Thank you, Jungle.
	Appreciate it, brother.
	All right, here, let me read some of the chats here.
	We have Techno Trooper.
	Felicity, I want you to read these.
	Go ahead, read it.
	Women on your screen.
	Bye, guys.
	Women now earn the majority of master's and doctoral degrees in the U.S., continuing the trend that began in the early 2000s.
	So are you saying, bro?
	Am I saying that men couldn't get master's degrees?
	I've never said that.
	I'm blind in my left eye, Brian.
	I think that's what I'm saying.
	So are you saying men couldn't get master's degree?
	You don't know that.
	Nobody ever said that.
	Thank you.
	I wish it's a different font or color.
	But you were saying that all these men are pushed into the universities and women are just, man, they're just barred from the universities.
	I never said barred.
	Okay.
	You said men are more likely to get pushed into universities by their parents.
	It's not true.
	It's specifically in conservative areas.
	Conservative areas.
	Definitely not.
	The more conservative you are, the less likely you are to go to university.
	You're going to go to trade work, not a university to find a husband.
	Although that's somewhat socioeconomic, too.
	Okay.
	That is very socioeconomic.
	Dark Omen.
	Thank you for the t-shirt purchase.
	Shop.whatever.com.
	Guys, if you want to get some merch, shop.whatever.com.
	We've got some great stuff on there.
	We got t-shirts, hoodies, other articles of clothing that can prevent you from being naked, I guess.
	Okay.
	We have SIB, Chair One.
	Thank you for proving Lucas's point.
	IQ has nothing to do with education.
	IQ measures how well your brain thinks, not what your brain knows.
	IQ is mostly 80% heredible, 20% early nutrition.
	Do you want to respond to?
	Well, that's not really a question.
	It's just a thank you.
	Do you want to tell him you think he's cool or something?
	Thumbs up.
	You love him?
	Okay, she loves you.
	All right.
	Clain, chair one.
	They really like you.
	You are never.
	I know they love me.
	You're never allowed on my misspelled, spelled wrong.
	Yacht, spelled wrong again.
	Misspelled.
	Misspelled.
	But if you can explain the Pythagorean theorem, I may let the others on it.
	Or even easier, what is negative 40 Celsius converted to Fahrenheit?
	He spelled, bro, you spelled Fahrenheit wrong too, dude.
	40 is like it's really cold.
	I think he, maybe he was misspelling it intentionally to get under your skin.
	All those words.
	Well, maybe.
	Clain, thank you, bro.
	Thank you, dude.
	Thank you, Clain.
	Clayton, thank you.
	Big sass energy.
	Chair one.
	Did the Ordo Amoris meme?
	What is that?
	I don't know.
	Brian, you really need to start bringing in the ordo map memes into the show.
	It's very exposing.
	It demonstrates the order of care love.
	I don't know what that is.
	Wait, Big Sass Energy.
	What is Ordo Amoris?
	I'm not sure what that is.
	Thank you, Mother Man.
	Appreciate it.
	More money and tell us what you think.
	Chef Dill Pickles, Chair One insulted Chair Six over three times.
	Calm down, lady.
	It's just a conversation.
	You did.
	You were a little mean to be mean to all women and offending me strongly.
	She was not a piano.
	How am I offending you?
	She wasn't.
	You said she was weak.
	You just look dead in my eyes and tell me over and over again that I'm weak and I could never do anything just because I'm a woman.
	That offends me greatly.
	I am also weak.
	I also said that earlier.
	Okay, that should offend you too.
	Don't take it personally.
	We respect diversity of opinions here.
	That's why there's a discussion here.
	It's not an opinion.
	Every tax attorney is tax attack.
	Don't take it personally.
	I'm allowed to take things personally, though.
	Yeah, you know.
	As a person.
	She is a Massandris.
	And that is why liberal.
	Massanders tend to take her.
	She's not a liberal.
	She's not.
	All right.
	Let's see here.
	We have Josh Brooks.
	We don't fit in.
	Of course.
	However, I totally agree.
	However, no, yeah, exactly.
	However, the however fallacy is atrocious.
	It probably insinuates a possibility to be wrong.
	However, it insinuates a contradiction.
	You're using too much however.
	I'm not even an American, and I know, like, you're not supposed to be.
	Was it you?
	No, no, he's saying that I say however too much.
	However, yeah, maybe.
	I don't know.
	All right, we have Chef Dill Pickles here, to which he says, Chair one, do men have duties unique to them?
	Likewise, do women have duties unique to them?
	Men can't give birth, so I would say a woman's not duty, but something that only women can do is give birth.
	Do they have a duty to have children?
	No.
	Okay.
	They don't.
	Do men have any duties?
	No.
	They don't?
	No.
	Breathe and live, like that's for women and men.
	What about forced military conscription?
	I don't think that should be a thing at all.
	But it is a thing.
	But it shouldn't be.
	But it is a thing, so you would have to concede it is a male duty.
	But he's asking, should men and women have different duties?
	Or do they already?
	Well, hold on.
	In my opinion, no, there's no duties specific to men or women.
	In the U.S.'s opinion, that makes sense.
	No, he didn't say should.
	Sorry, he didn't say should.
	He said, do men have duties unique to them?
	Likewise, do women have duties unique to them?
	He's not saying should.
	He's saying, do they have that?
	I mean, is the draft even still like a big thing?
	Well, it depends on the country.
	But even in the United States, there is a duty that men have.
	So there's not an active conscription, but there is the selective service system where all men have to register for the selective service, which would make them subject to forced military conscription.
	Women are barred completely from this system.
	So I guess that is a male duty.
	However, I don't think it should be.
	If that makes sense.
	Okay, but this would probably point towards the oppression of men.
	Men are oppressing that system.
	Why would that matter?
	What are you talking about?
	Why would it matter who made that system?
	That's not a rebuttal to the fact that men would be oppressed under said system.
	Men created a system where men have to go to war.
	Yeah, but which is which men?
	Which men?
	The problem is you don't know that if women were in charge, would there be a draft?
	We don't know because women haven't been in charge like that to decide the draft or whatever is going on.
	Well, the laws, as they currently are on the books, women are exempt from military conscription.
	Men are not.
	But I believe, and maybe I'm wrong, and we can't be, Can't be proven wrong.
	I can't be proven right.
	But if women were in charge of the laws, maybe the draft wouldn't be a thing.
	Maybe, but you don't know that.
	You're shaking your head, no.
	No, we can tell you.
	I personally believe.
	Okay.
	I personally believe there should be no forced militarization.
	There should be no forced draft.
	No one should be drafted.
	No one should be taken to the military on purpose.
	Like, it should be a voluntary thing.
	Yeah, but I can also say there shouldn't be war and there should never be violence.
	But given that we live in a society where war is a realistic, probably a realistic chance of it happening, there could be pretext or reasons for a war occurring.
	It could be a defensive war.
	We as a nation could even say we never want to go to war.
	But if another country has a different set of values and then they just invade us for conquest, you would agree that we would need to have a military to defend ourselves, right?
	Yeah, but a lot of people volunteer for the military.
	Sure.
	People do volunteer, but only majority, which is majority men, by the way.
	But if we had to force people to go to war, as the law currently stands, only men can be drafted.
	Well, that sucks.
	I don't think that should be a law.
	I didn't make that law a thing.
	But there shouldn't, but it's kind of like this sort of pie in the sky.
	There shouldn't be a draft.
	Well, there shouldn't be war.
	But given the reality that governments, one, governments and nations will not relinquish their right to force its typically male citizenry into military conflict.
	We have to think about, okay, well, since this is the case, then what?
	What do you mean, then what?
	Well, it would go to the point that men have duties and women don't.
	Isn't it?
	But do you think that's fair?
	I don't even think that's fair.
	You're a man.
	You think that's fair?
	I don't think it's fair.
	Look, I'm not in favor.
	I'm very much against military conflicts.
	We can vote.
	We can all sit here and say war bad.
	No, of course everyone thinks war is bad or whatever.
	I'm just saying, I don't, they're asking me if men have duties and sure, but men get drafted or whatever.
	Do I think that should be the case?
	No.
	And you're acting like I put that law into the world.
	That's fine.
	But given the reality that men have to register with a selective service, do you think women should equally have to register also?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Why is that?
	Because it's unfair to only make one gender register for war.
	But I don't think anyone should register.
	Why is it not the case, though, that, like, wouldn't this create an equality between men and women?
	And it seems like feminists are not really fighting for this.
	I'm pretty sure most feminists just say that no one should be forced to go to war.
	Everyone should be able to sign up for it, man or woman.
	People are not signing up.
	I mean, what I've heard from like my liberal cohorts is that like no one should be forced to go to war.
	No one should be picked who didn't offer themselves to go fight in the U.S. military.
	Okay, but here's the thing: is that it's not something that's ever going to go away.
	Like absent some sort of technological singularity where like the world we live in is so different and so unconceivably novel to what anything we've experienced, the reality of it's almost inevitable.
	There are going to be national geopolitical conflicts and war is sort of to some degree an inevitability.
	Okay.
	So given that, it's just never going to go away.
	And so I guess I still believe that even if war never goes away, no one should be forced into the military.
	But can I, let me give you an example then and you tell me what should be the case.
	So let's say there's a, we're all here in the United States and let's say we're not a superpower, right?
	Because right now we have the most dominant military in the world.
	But let's say we weren't.
	And let's say I'll use Russia.
	Russia is just more dominant as a superpower.
	This is a hypothetical, right?
	It's not the actual case currently, but Russia is more dominant in their military might.
	And we know that they're going to be invading us.
	We get some intelligence that they're going to invade.
	And this Russia in this hypothetical scenario is very violent and very aggressive.
	And they're actually monstrous.
	They're monsters.
	And if they do invade the country, it's going to be a land invasion and they invade us.
	What they're going to do is kill all the men and they're going to take all the women and take them as war brides.
	Do you know what a war bride is?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	So they're going to force the women into marriages and basically essentially grape the women.
	Yeah.
	The only way, and we could predict this somehow, we don't have the military might to defeat Russia, right?
	But if we were to draft men and force men, even let's say it's against their free will, we could force the men to fight.
	And if we did do that, then we would be able to stop this country, stop Russia from killing all the men and graping all the women under, and you were the dictator of this country and you could impose this draft.
	Would you impose the draft?
	No.
	So just to be clear, all the men would die anyways, and all the women, including yourself, would be essayed.
	You would.
	Well, first, the problem is we don't know the outcome when it starts.
	It's a hypothetical question.
	So you can give me the outcome before I answer what you did.
	I said, yes, if we don't.
	If we don't draft, they're going to be victorious.
	But from the start of the war, you don't just know, oh, if we don't draft, they are going to be victorious.
	You don't know that.
	Well, you know, certainly.
	You could tell the entire society, if we don't act now, if people don't volunteer, then we're all going to die or whatever.
	Yeah.
	I personally do not think it's ethical to force people into situations.
	Okay.
	So just to.
	And you don't know the outcome.
	Huh?
	In a real life scenario, you don't know the outcome.
	You couldn't.
	But can you see why a country under those sorts of circumstances, and mind you, historically, an entailment of historical wars was that if the other nation invaded your country and they were more powerful, they were going to kill all the men.
	Yeah.
	And they were going to do bad things to the women.
	Yeah, it happened a lot.
	And so the countries made a determination and they said, well, free will is important, but what's more important is having the men possibly survive and making sure the women don't get graped.
	So just to be clear, if you were the leader, you would not force men to go and fight under these potential circumstances.
	I wouldn't force anyone.
	So just to be clear, your lack of action would result in all the men dying anyways and all the women being graped.
	But you don't know that's the fact.
	That's the entailment.
	You don't think there's still so many people who went to the military who would try to fight?
	You don't think we'd have any shot?
	Wait.
	If a genie came to me and said, if you don't act now, this is what's going to happen, then maybe I'd change my answer.
	But you never know what's going to happen at the start of a war.
	So just to be clear, those bad things that happen in the hypothetical have happened historically when there's been war.
	And there have also been men who are like, I also don't want to go and die.
	You're not going to force me to go to war.
	But they get forced to go to war to prevent that very thing from not happening.
	Hypotheticals are all hypotheticals.
	I don't really know what you want me to say.
	You could answer the hypotheticals.
	I answered and said I would not force anyone to do anything.
	Okay.
	And you said that means everyone's going to get killed and raped, but that's not the truth.
	It's because you're not going to be able to do that if you killed it.
	I said grape.
	But in the hypothetical, it's a granted that this invading force has more military might.
	Okay, if you told me, if a genie came down and told me I'm from the future and this is exactly what's going to happen, then she's going to be- Let's say it's 50%.
	However, that is not the truth.
	Let's say that is never going to happen.
	Hold on.
	You're never going to know what happens.
	So here it is.
	50% chance.
	So if you draft the men, you could still lose, right?
	It's not a certainty, but there's a 50% chance that if you draft all the military-age men, that you do have a, there's a 50% chance that you're able to defeat the invading enemy.
	Under those circumstances, would you do a draft?
	I don't know.
	I'd have to be a leader of a country and know what nuclear powers we had and know all my forces.
	Let's assume that nuclear.
	So we have no bombs, no guns, no nothing.
	There's guns.
	It's just guns.
	There's guns, but there's no nuclear weapons.
	I don't know.
	I would not want to force people to go to war.
	People can make their own decisions.
	It would suck if my country went down, but if everyone in my country said, I don't want to go to war, then I'm not going to say, too bad you have to, because I believe in rights.
	Okay.
	Sounds like you're not doing what it would take to protect men and women from being killed or raped.
	Well, I don't know.
	Nowadays, we have a ton of nuclear weapons.
	We have things protecting us, and we have a lot of people who volunteer.
	The problem with your hypothetical is it would never fucking happen, though.
	Hold on, there's currently ongoing military conflicts in the Middle East and in Ukraine.
	Yeah, do they have a choice to just like end it all?
	No, and they do draft people, and it is a big problem.
	I just believe that no one should be forced into something like that because it's sad.
	Men or women.
	All right, I'm going to move it on.
	We have Tone Police Patriarchy.
	Great job tonight, Brian.
	You have been dealing with difficult personalities.
	Hi, Felicity.
	Great to see you at the table.
	Chair six, great job expressing yourself.
	Keep it up.
	One, two, three, four.
	Oh, chair six.
	Okay.
	All right, we have Christian King.
	Ah, yeah, let's have illegal immigrants working slave wages instead of Americans and abort our working class.
	America will be third world with this ideology.
	Liberalism leads to death.
	Chair six, based.
	We should all pay people equal paying rights, and we shouldn't use immigrants for like the non-paying jobs.
	But this is the world that we live in.
	This is how it's going to be.
	In order to solve these problems, you'd have to completely uproot our entire government.
	We have to just throw everything out.
	They're just saying I'm based.
	You're welcome.
	All right.
	Sorry, Pacey, for that.
	We don't know what that means.
	Pacy, sorry for delay.
	Hold on, quiet, guys.
	Quiet, please.
	Chair one.
	Why aren't more women doing the dirty, dangerous, menial, and labor-intensive jobs in the world?
	What is stopping them?
	Why are you not doing one of those jobs now?
	Care 6 is based.
	Like I've already said, women aren't doing those jobs because it's not expected of them because of societal pressures that are put on a men, which is unfair towards men, I agree.
	However, it was created by men and it's upheld by men.
	And what was the other thing that they said?
	They said, why am I not doing a job like that now?
	Because I don't have to.
	And a lot of the people who work those jobs, those are the jobs that they are able to get.
	I'm sure if you asked a guy on an oil rig, would you rather work this job or become like a CEO of some giant company, he'd pick CEO.
	However, not everyone's hand is dealt the same.
	The circumstances are different.
	All right, we have a waste of money.
	Is there a hide that?
	Is there a single woman can do?
	Excuse me.
	Is there a single job women can do that men can't?
	I can't think of one.
	Honest question.
	Give birth?
	Like, I don't know.
	That's the only thing.
	Job?
	But that's the only thing.
	That's the only difference.
	Then there is none.
	And I never said there was one.
	Surrogate is not a good idea.
	Oh, surrogacy.
	That is a good idea.
	A job or a gig.
	Well, you can get paid for surrogacy.
	What's the difference?
	You can get paid for a gig.
	I think when he's talking about job, though, you have to be a bit charitable here.
	Like something that is can women be sperm donors?
	No.
	Okay.
	I don't think we would say, like, I don't know if that would be like fair to make.
	They can donate.
	Men can't be sperm donors.
	So if you put eggs and sperm in the same category, women can donate eggs and men can donate sperm.
	And that's like one of the only differences.
	But other jobs, men and women can both do.
	I never said that women can do more than men.
	I'm just saying, like.
	We have Big Sass Energy here.
	He says, Ordo Amorris demonstrates order of care.
	Conservatives care more about the things closest to them, family, friends, humans.
	Libs care more about rocks, trees, sticks, inanimate objects.
	Please use.
	We care about the Mother Earth.
	Oh my God.
	Thank God.
	Well, weren't you saying that you think the world would be better if there were no humans?
	100%.
	But I'm not sure.
	But what I'm saying is that it would be more peaceful.
	There would be less destruction.
	There would be less global warming and things would just be a little bit more peaceful.
	However, however, humans are already here.
	I'm not saying we should get rid of humans by all means.
	Like we're already here.
	I just think we should be more careful about where we live and we shouldn't only care about ourselves.
	Quick question for you.
	Are you like, you're kind of consider yourself an environmentalist?
	Yeah, a little bit.
	Question.
	Do you think we should, on the individual level, take steps to reduce our usage of like plastics, for example?
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	Okay, like not drinking from water bottles or reducing our single-use plastics or reducing plastic use in general.
	And you think that this would have a, and I actually don't disagree with you, this would have like a positive impact, like if we use less plastics.
	If every single person in the world used less plastics, then totally.
	However, it's hard to get everyone on board, especially when plastics are so easy.
	So it makes sense that we use people use plastics.
	Right.
	It makes sense that things are going wrong.
	However, there's some steps that we could totally take to make things better and we're just not taking it.
	Okay.
	Question for you.
	Would you consider not wearing makeup?
	Yeah.
	Well, that would reduce, that would reduce your usage of sort of disposable products.
	Often makeup comes in like plastic containers.
	Yeah.
	And I don't know, maybe you're wearing just a bit of mascara or I don't know.
	Oh, I'm wearing some mascara, some concealer, some blush.
	I use the companies that I know like don't test on animals and our cleaner brands.
	I mean, it's hard.
	So I want to wear makeup because it makes me feel pretty, but I understand.
	I understand where you're coming from with that.
	You feeling pretty is more important than the environment.
	Me not buying a tiny bit of concealer made from a vegan brand probably wouldn't save the entire planet.
	However, if all women on earth said, what if we all stop using makeup?
	I'd totally be on board.
	Yeah, why?
	But I don't use makeup every day.
	My makeup lasts me months.
	And again, I try to use clean brands that don't give out so much fossil fuels and aren't as bad for the planet.
	Well, the customer.
	However, I don't want to go out in public feeling sad every day.
	So I like putting on a little bit of makeup.
	Well, I mean, the cosmetic industry is such a global behemoth.
	I mean, it's a billion, multi-billion, maybe even in the trillion-dollar industry.
	But it is interesting that preying on women's insecurities.
	Yeah, sure.
	I guess I would agree with that.
	But look, it's just interesting to me when, you know, I think on the individual, look, the primary drive of environmental, what's the term for it?
	Environmental, what's the word?
	Conservation.
	No, there's another, it's evading me.
	Environmental pollution is typically through corporations.
	Yeah.
	Like individual, if you look at the individuals versus corporations, although like these corporations are doing these things in furtherance of individual level consumerism.
	So they're kind of inextricably linked.
	But it is interesting to me that if we were to get rid of, and I don't think makeup really serves any utility except, I guess, as you said, making women feel better.
	Yeah.
	I guess.
	I think there's not an actual, like, for example, like spoons and forks have like a utility.
	Like we use that to eat.
	I guess you could just use your hands or whatever, but there's like, there are certain materials that are made that do have a negative impact on the environment that have a utility.
	I don't think makeup has any actual utility, and I'd love to see.
	How about Viagra?
	Why is Viagra a thing?
	That doesn't have utility.
	Why do we make Viagra?
	Huh?
	It's such a ridiculous point.
	I'm just trying to say that makeup.
	I could argue it, but it's just such a ridiculous point.
	Viagra is not a necessary thing, and men get it for free from the doctors.
	And birth control is not free.
	Or we have to pay for birth control.
	I'm just saying if you're trying to play gotcha with me.
	It's not a gotcha.
	Yes, I wear makeup.
	Yes, I like have socks on from CBS, who isn't a great brand.
	You know, there's lots of things you could play gotcha with me about the environment.
	I think socks are necessary, though.
	I'm not against socks.
	Okay, I'm just saying, like, yes, I understand that, like, I'm not the poster child for environmental protectionism.
	Sure.
	However, I'm saying there are steps that the government could even just take to like lower carbon emissions.
	Well, the only reason I brought it up is you're like, well, the world would be better without humans.
	I assume part of your argument here is that due to the humanity's impact on the environment and our harm to like ecosystems and whatever, part of this relates to environmental and ecological, what is, oh my God, why am I keep blinking on the words?
	To pollution.
	And I was thinking like, okay, well, here's one simple thing that you could do on the individual level.
	And I think it'd be great actually if all women did it, is just cease your consumption of makeup products.
	And I'm asking here, if we can do a call to action here on the whatever podcast, would you be willing to make a environmental commitment to stop wearing makeup entirely for the rest of your life for the sake of the environment?
	If some study said that only me stopping wearing my small amount of makeup would save the planet, then I definitely would do it.
	But you would agree with me.
	But makeup could be natural.
	You could use beat to put makeup.
	Promise girl.
	You're killing me.
	Devil's not going to be able to do it.
	Yeah, clearly.
	Go ahead.
	What were you going to say?
	There are so many things I could do that would, like, when I get my own car, I'll try to get a hybrid because I know that's the best for the environment.
	Okay.
	When I take showers, I try to make them shorter.
	If I'm shampooing my hair, I'll turn the water off and shampoo and then turn the water back on.
	You don't even have to do that.
	But even, but I'm just saying.
	Just stop wearing makeup.
	That's it.
	That's my ass.
	But your thing is, like, you're like trying to play a gotcha moment, stop wearing makeup.
	There are so many other things I could do.
	Then do those things also.
	I do those things.
	But also.
	My choice to wear a little bit of makeup does not make me a bad non-environmentalist person.
	I think if you're not matter.
	And you can keep playing gotcha with me, but honestly, I don't give a f ⁇ .
	Well, I think if you're going to make the argument, and you did make the, you did say that individuals better without humans or what?
	On the individual level, you said that we can take actions to reduce our environmental impact.
	And I'm simply offering, extending to you a call to action.
	Stop using your makeup products, which are pollutants, and they use plastics.
	And there's like even some of these makeup companies use like child labor in other countries.
	I don't know if you can run those ones.
	Well, to your mind.
	No, I make a conscious effort.
	You research all the makeup you purchase.
	You think the champagne you bought wasn't made like stuff like that?
	Like he doesn't care.
	I don't care.
	I'm not an environmentalist.
	Yeah.
	No, to clarify, though, I do think it's important to protect the environment.
	Like I don't think corporations should be dumping toxic sludge into waterways, for example.
	I do believe that there should be some controls on corporations from like, yeah, they shouldn't be able to pollute the environment.
	However, like I'm not against like fossil fuels.
	Like I realize that fossil fuels have like positive.
	I'm not against them either.
	I just think we could use less and we could make an effort to use less.
	We should go nuclear.
	That's what I think.
	Everyone should do that.
	Nuclear would be fantastic.
	Let me move it on though because we've got a bunch of chats to get through.
	You only want to know shit.
	Tasty George donated $200.
	Chair one, you don't want to go out into the world without makeup.
	Otherwise, you would feel sad.
	You are so full of Chattel MFAO.
	Okay.
	I don't wear makeup all the time.
	Yeah, me.
	Tasty George.
	Well put.
	Watch my TikToks.
	There's no makeup in all of this.
	Thank you.
	I don't wear makeup.
	You're a fucking liar.
	You're a fucking liar.
	Clain says, chair six, stand your ground.
	You are 200% better than chair one.
	Yes.
	Intentional mistakes.
	Negative 40 C is negative 40F.
	Look it up or just check her ice heart.
	It's not.
	Chair one.
	Easy to talk about war when you've never been.
	You're right.
	I've never been.
	You got me?
	Have you been?
	Like what?
	This guy been?
	No.
	Yeah, Clain.
	All right.
	Keyboy Warrior.
	Nice bangs, big forehead.
	Chair one only argues in out and what about in odd and what about isms.
	She hasn't said anything with a basis in reality.
	Entire pod.
	You want to respond to those accusations?
	If you believe that, I don't think I'm going to be able to change your mind.
	If you believe.
	Okay, thank you.
	Dimitri, hi, Brian.
	I'm a myofascial practitioner from Denver with eight years of experience.
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	I followed your show and I'm aware of your neck issues for a while.
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	Thank you for reminding me, Dimitri.
	I genuinely believe I can help you significantly.
	Are you interested?
	Yeah, sure, man.
	Have you DMed me before on Instagram?
	Just BrianAtlasX on Instagram.
	Shoot me.
	He wants to give you a massage.
	All right.
	He also take your money.
	Or maybe he wants to help out.
	I don't know.
	I don't think he's – I think he's probably offering for free.
	I mean, he's probably offering a help.
	I'm that's Thank you to me.
	That's a very nice gesture.
	Emotional damage.
	Chair one sits under the comfort men provide to talk like.
	Well, you guys got to listen.
	Chair one sits under.
	Sorry.
	The fuck was this?
	That's all going on.
	You're what?
	I naturally sigh.
	I sit under the body.
	No, sighing is really good by it.
	It clears your energy.
	Please treat these women the way they deserve to be treated.
	This is the result of men simping up to these rats.
	I love simps.
	These women are not worth a second look, let alone our chivalry.
	Okay, we don't want it from you anyway.
	Oh, snaps.
	We want to commend our willingness.
	Oh, snap.
	Will.
	I have plenty of men who.
	I just want to thank you.
	Thank you for the membership.
	Thank you for the 10 memberships.
	Appreciate it.
	Thank you.
	I just, they don't like any of it.
	I don't know.
	Hey, what the?
	They like you, Felicity.
	What the fuck?
	I don't know what though.
	Felicity's turning heel, boys.
	Felicity's turning heel.
	Okay, here's what we got to do, guys.
	We got to get through.
	You know, let's bring it back to.
	Wait.
	Oh, shit.
	Did I not save the comments from?
	Okay, I didn't save the Stiffler comment.
	I don't know where the hell it went.
	Did it get unstarred somehow?
	That's weird.
	Okay, anyways, whatever.
	Stiffler earlier in the conversation, he said, going around the table, all the women rate your looks on a scale of one to ten.
	You can't pick seven, starting with you, Marin.
	Can't pick seven.
	It's so funny.
	Honestly, I would say maybe a six or a five.
	I don't think I'm that attractive.
	What about you?
	Ten.
	Ten?
	Okay.
	Period.
	Maybe eight.
	Maybe an eight.
	Okay.
	Are you able to scoot your chair this way a little bit?
	Like scoot that way?
	Yeah, scoot that way.
	Eight, what about you?
	I'll go nine.
	Okay, nine.
	What about you?
	Sophia Bergara is at 10.
	I'm not a 10.
	I'm at 5.
	Okay, 5.
	What about you?
	I do a 6.
	All right, what about you?
	6.
	Okay.
	Girl.
	So we have 10.
	Oh, I give myself a 5.
	Six of 10 to no a 10.
	Give myself a 5.
	So wait, 10, 8, 9.
	Okay, gotcha.
	For those of you who said 10, 8, 9, we'll start with 10.
	Can you tell me a woman who, like maybe a famous woman, who you think is a 10?
	Megan Markle.
	Oh, no, no, Megan, the other girl.
	Megan Fox.
	Marley Fox.
	The girl from Australia.
	She plays.
	I'm not really bad with names.
	Wait, in The Wolf of Wall Street?
	Yeah, her.
	Her name's not Meghan.
	Margaret Robbie.
	Marco Robbie.
	I'm really bad with names, honestly.
	Marco Robbie.
	Megan Markle.
	That's the likely.
	That's like the queen or the princess of England.
	Yeah, but she's still a 10, too.
	I'm talking about that.
	That's who my top tier.
	Or what's her name?
	Scarlett Johansson.
	And I've seen her without makeup, and she was a 10.
	Period.
	And she's a sweet girl.
	She was super sweet when I met her.
	You don't think she's a 10?
	Scarlett Johansson?
	Sydney Sweet?
	I love her too.
	10.
	So you're.
	I'm like them, yes.
	You're on their level in terms of looks.
	Okay.
	Interesting, innit?
	Okay.
	Can you think of an age?
	Smart as rich as I have an eight.
	Yes.
	Myself.
	No, but like a female celebrity.
	That would be kind of tough.
	I'll come back to you.
	Can you think of a nine female, like a female celebrity who you think is a nine?
	I'm going to say no.
	I'm not big into celebrity culture, and I say that because of the way people look at me and stop me and talk to me.
	Wait.
	Life experience.
	As in, people look at me like they should recognize me like I'm from some show or like I am celebrity.
	I have people come up to me all the time, anywhere I go, talking about how gorgeous my hair is, how I have all these amazing features.
	So if you're saying physical looks, I think I'm on the upper side of the scale.
	I get hit on a lot.
	Okay.
	Oh, yeah.
	I thought of someone now.
	I mean, because there's not so many well-known Asian celebrities, but there's this one celebrity from China.
	I think some people have told me I do look like her.
	So I figured if people always say I look like her, then she's better be a little bit more.
	Oh, wait, you're asking someone we look like?
	No.
	A celebrity that we look like.
	No, I said everybody.
	She's gonna be your level.
	Yeah, your level.
	Like, she could be a, she could be black.
	She could be white.
	She could be Latina, but like your level.
	Just hotness, not personality.
	League.
	All the other things.
	Looks league.
	Physical appearance, yeah.
	Who is it?
	So have you watched this movie called Memora Geisha?
	Nope.
	Okay, so the main character.
	What the fuck is this?
	The main geisha.
	Can you pull it up?
	Can you Google it?
	What's her name?
	Her first name is Z-I-Y-I.
	And her last name is Z-H-A-N-G.
	You like the black pink from the Korean band.
	Oh, which one?
	Lisa or Jenny?
	Better be Jenny.
	Is that racist?
	No.
	No.
	I sometimes get caught I look like so-and-so a lot.
	And I think one time I was in Northern California, a woman just approached me and asked me, oh, are you like Miss Korea 2019?
	I was like, I don't even know who the heck that is.
	But thank you.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	All right.
	Thanks.
	And let's see here.
	How about you?
	What do you think about yourself?
	What are you?
	He said five.
	I said I'm a five.
	A five.
	Yeah, five.
	Have a little bit more self-esteem.
	But just physically, like you can't change.
	I actually think.
	You could change.
	You could go to the gym.
	You could work out.
	You're tall.
	You have good.
	You have good eyes.
	You could put in a little work.
	We could both work in that to Martin.
	I know I'm a little thick.
	She just said that shit to me.
	And like, what are you talking about?
	But as in only thin people are hot.
	Yeah, like she's hotter than her because she's 10 pounds thinner is what you're saying.
	Wait, who?
	That's what I'm insinuating.
	You're saying she could go to the gym and you.
	She, wait, she said that shit to me for her.
	I'm giving you.
	And then you looked at her like she's a perfect 10.
	So I'm saying because she's thinner.
	You're saying thin equals hot?
	No, bro.
	Are you listening?
	Felicity, Felicity was criticizing me being like, Brian, you can't say that to a woman.
	And I was like, hold up.
	She said that shit to me first.
	I forgot.
	I spaced out for a second.
	I'm just saying.
	We all have a way to make our markets share a little bit higher.
	And you have to put a little bit of effort.
	We all have to put in a little effort.
	You are so right.
	Thank you.
	Okay.
	Okay, I'll deal with that later.
	So, oh, and then can you tell me a 10, a male 10, that you think is like on your level?
	Well, I guess he would have to be on your level.
	Oh, Chris Hemsworth.
	Can we pull up Google Chris Hemsworth?
	Did you get the show us the lady?
	Thor.
	Show us the lady first, then Google Chris Hemsworth.
	Door, Door, like him.
	Yeah, yeah, I know who that is.
	I'm just saying that.
	That's peak.
	Okay, show us the lady, please.
	Okay, you look like her.
	She's just a bit older.
	Yeah, she's older.
	She's a bit older.
	Maybe the one at the bottom when she was.
	Honestly, bro, you're better looking than her.
	I'm not sure.
	Oh, thank you.
	You're better looking.
	All right.
	You're out.
	Next time, I'll take it.
	Next, Chris Hemsworth, please.
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	All right, pull it up.
	Chris Hemsworth is a 10 for you.
	Correct.
	for who so if you met chris hemsworth you i've met his brother Liam.
	Okay, and is Liam a 10 too?
	Yes.
	So you would be like, you could date Chris Hemsworth?
	Potentially.
	Potentially.
	I don't date off physical features only.
	So you're just asking about hotness.
	yeah oh so you're saying she has less of a chance based off no she's saying like he might be hot but he also might be an asshole and then she wouldn't want to date him Exactly.
	You guys always go to like these extra.
	What, bro?
	There's too much shit going on.
	What the fuck?
	Can you all chill out?
	Holy shit.
	God damn.
	Okay.
	You're in Chris Hemsworth's.
	You're in his league.
	I like long hair, yes.
	I love guys with long hair.
	I get you like guys with long hair.
	Are you in his league?
	Totally.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	You're a nine.
	Can you think of a guy who's a nine who's like in your league or whatever?
	No, not off the top of my head.
	Like, you're asking about celebrity.
	That'd be a recognizable name.
	Yeah.
	Jake Gyllenhal.
	What do you rate Jake Gyllenhal?
	Seven.
	Can we see a picture?
	No.
	Pull it, please.
	Google Jake Gyllenhaal.
	Isn't he short?
	He looks, he's like a little sweet.
	He's like nice looking.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Yeah.
	How tall is hold on.
	How tall is Jake Gyllenhal?
	Are we talking about height included or just face card?
	Like, what's the vibe?
	Yeah, I don't know.
	Face card.
	Wait, he's six feet.
	He's six feet tall.
	He reassured on camera.
	I smashed.
	Scroll down.
	Scroll down.
	He is a seven.
	So hold on.
	Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, wait, Hold on.
	Shut the hold on.
	Him with hair and him with hair.
	I would go Jalen Hurts from the Eagles or some actor.
	You think Jake Gyllenhaal's a seven?
	Because we just like different types of men.
	What's your type?
	You like black guys?
	We both have a lot of people.
	No, it doesn't have to do with race.
	But like, Ken would be this guy I've been following for like years, Charles Leclerc, my favorite Formula One driver.
	Charles Leclerc?
	Yes.
	Who's that?
	If you watch Formula One, then you absolutely don't know what this is.
	I've been to the Golden Glass.
	But like I said, yeah, some guys, some people don't find him hot, but I just like a different type of guy.
	All right.
	Everyone has a different one.
	Charles Lycla Hall.
	Yeah, everybody has its pit.
	Yeah, okay, subjective.
	I'm just.
	So you would be settling for Jake Gyllenhaal?
	Depends on personality.
	It depends on the personality.
	But I heard he's not a very nice person.
	But for you, you're a nine.
	Jake Gyllenhaal's a seven.
	You would be settling for Jake Gyllenhaal.
	As in, right, I don't find actors like somebody who plays somebody else for a living to be that attractive.
	I would go with like a pro athlete like Jalen Hurts who's okay.
	Michael Jordan.
	Michael Jordan.
	He's married.
	He's got great moral values.
	His branding is great.
	Branding.
	What the branding?
	Yeah.
	All actors are branded.
	So you're saying, do we buy into the bullshit?
	No, I don't have to do that.
	You want to fuck him because of his branding.
	Yeah, it's hot.
	Like, I'm sorry.
	The whole Love Hurts Nike campaign, they changed the whole love statue in the city of Philadelphia to put his last name behind.
	Like, he's hot right now.
	And he's physically hot and he just won the Super Bowl.
	So.
	Okay, what's his name?
	Jalen Hurts.
	All right, Google that guy.
	You should see the way he licks his lips on camera.
	It's like super hot.
	I've never thought a football player was hot like that.
	I know who he is now.
	Chad, I don't even know what to say, boys.
	I don't know what to say.
	And I also love watching men.
	He was totally the underdog.
	This is totally not him, first of all.
	That's the gift of the game.
	You spelled his name wrong.
	J-A-L-E-N Hurts, H-U-R-T-S.
	You said that's not even him, first of all.
	Like, go first.
	Can we get this pulled up a little quicker?
	Who do you think is a celebrity, like on your level?
	Wait, do you have it?
	Oh, what is one answer?
	I'm trying to find another something about Harry and you're so sassy.
	Sorry.
	Where are the sassy names?
	Jalen Hurts, Eagle Bowl.
	Yeah, Super Bowl champ.
	But I do want to know the answer to that.
	Okay.
	Scroll down, scroll down, scroll down.
	I wanted to see more photos.
	Okay, super physically fit.
	Okay.
	Can we see like a face picture?
	I mean, scroll up.
	There was a couple.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Scroll up.
	Very top.
	Can you give me that one other guy just for further reference?
	One other guy that's a nine or whatever.
	I think so many people are hot.
	Hey, please don't do sidebars.
	We said it multiple times at the beginning of the show.
	Please don't talk like okay.
	Channing Tatum is like totally.
	I would never want to date him, though.
	Wait, I don't even know if I know what Channing Tatum looks like.
	Imagine Mike.
	What is a guy?
	Here, give us a guy.
	You're asking me physically.
	Give us a guy who's in your league who you would also date.
	She would pass on Channing Tatum, by the way, but okay.
	I'm saying he's probably a player.
	Like, he's probably not the type of guy I want to date.
	But he's highly.
	He's talking about just a superficial appearance.
	Just superficial.
	Yeah, okay, let's go Channing Tatum then.
	There we go.
	Oh, yeah, I like him.
	Okay.
	So.
	Is that what he looks like right now?
	Well, I mean, there's variants here.
	There's that second one, he looks younger.
	Magic Mike was my favorite.
	These other ones, he looks older.
	So, okay.
	Is there seven?
	Really?
	You think Jake Gyllenhal's a seven?
	These girls are settling for Jake Gyllenholf, fellas.
	Don't go to the bottom of the city.
	Did you guys say he wrote young Brad Pitt?
	Young Brad Pitt.
	What do you give him?
	Like in his 30s.
	So that's like Troy or wait Fight Club?
	Troy?
	Oh, Fight Club.
	Yeah, that was his prime.
	Right?
	She liked the shirtless moments with Brad Pitt there.
	What do you rate Brad Pitt?
	He's a petite man to me.
	So for me, he was always like an eight.
	Petite?
	Wait, and he reads small on camera.
	How tall is he?
	How tall is Brad Pitt?
	I thought he's like, I think he's average.
	Brad Pitt's 5'11.
	Wow, Brad Pitt, that's short.
	It's kind of crazy.
	Well, in film, guys are usually smaller.
	That's just facts.
	Like, in acting, guys, they don't chat.
	Who's that guy?
	This is what you're dealing with in the dating world.
	Oh, these girls think they'd be smaller than that.
	Wait, don't say these girls.
	You've only asked the three who rated themselves very high.
	I mean, clearly, Brad Tattoo.
	I think all of these men are far out of my league.
	Not a great dude.
	Oh, okay.
	But also, I am 19 and they're like in their adults, but I'm not sure.
	But I personally think Jake Gyllenhal's even out of my league.
	Not Chris.
	What hit?
	No.
	All right.
	The guy from the notebook.
	Ryan Gosling.
	I've never found him too attractive, though.
	No, not my tit.
	Who?
	Look at Gosling.
	No, I just never found him too attractive.
	Because I think it's like the person who's a little bit of a drink.
	You know who so many men find attractive, and I don't understand that fully is Ryan Reynolds.
	Terry Reynolds.
	A lot of men think Ryan Reynolds is like the hottest guy ever.
	And he's not ugly, but I like don't understand why men specifically think Ryan Reynolds.
	I think it's like personality thing, probably.
	He is hilarious.
	They probably are.
	Blake Lively's husband.
	Yeah.
	But what does he do?
	Actors?
	He's an actor.
	I don't know.
	What is Ryan Reynolds'?
	He's in some sort of a Marvel thing, I think.
	I didn't say Satellite.
	He's settling for Jake Gyllenhaal.
	Okay.
	Not all of them.
	You must really like Jake Gyllenhaal.
	Yeah, maybe, who knows?
	Maybe I.
	We have like a guy crushing.
	Wait, can I ask you just one question?
	Like, not offensive at all.
	I just genuinely want to know, like, what's a celebrity, a girl celebrity that you think is in your same level that you think you could pull, that you think you'd like behind.
	I've pulled celebrities though.
	Right.
	That's not nothing.
	Just in terms of looks.
	Yeah.
	I rejected celebrities.
	Taking personality out of it completely, just like looks-wise, who do you think you could match up well with?
	I'm not really big on celebrity culture, so.
	That was my answer.
	So, yeah, no, I mean, I'm trying.
	The thing is, is this question is more to like look at these sort of extremes where like you guys are rating yourselves on par with like the most attractive people.
	Not you, these three here, though.
	Well, 10, 8, 9.
	That's like nine is that's critical in Poland.
	I'm a seven.
	In America, I'm a ten.
	Interesting.
	Polish.
	I have all natural features: natural hair, natural tips, natural everything.
	So I do think that I was like gifted a beautiful body.
	I've got great eyes, all my teeth.
	So I don't understand why you think I would rate myself any lower.
	Like, I.
	She has great self-esteem.
	Yeah.
	I'm a competition.
	You can say that.
	I specialize in making other women feel sexy for a living.
	Doing amazing things.
	Helping women figure out how to style themselves in lingerie.
	Rate me.
	Huh?
	Rate me.
	I think a five is accurate.
	How tall are you?
	I'm six foot one.
	Okay.
	That gives you barring points.
	So just to be clear, if you and me, you're how old are you?
	You're 30.
	I'm 35.
	Okay, I'm 36.
	We're about the same age.
	So if we met somewhere.
	You're a nine and you think you're nine.
	And I'm a five.
	I think I'm a five.
	You think I'm a five.
	You would be said, you would four points.
	You're going into the ditches to date me.
	Like you're, you're, you're scooping the bottom of the bottom.
	So I'm not.
	I personally think hot guys cheat more.
	So I've, I don't have an issue dating somebody who I don't think is like a 10 on the hot scale.
	Like I think personal.
	I think personality and like how you vibe with the person matters a lot more than how many abs they have because people can get abs.
	You can buy them and you can go to the gym.
	So like you might not look great now, but if you're in a happy relationship, you might want to work on yourself a little bit and then you might become an eight or nine.
	Like women can help men level up and vice versa.
	Yeah, yeah.
	I think like if we were dating, like no offense, I'm not, you know, maybe we got different assessments.
	You probably wouldn't date me either.
	It's all good.
	I'm just saying like in terms of helping each other level up, like maybe there's work in both departments that could be done.
	That's all I'm going to say.
	You know, you've been directing a little bit of a bribe.
	I'm not saying I'm at my ideal weight right now.
	I was in a car accident two months ago and have definitely gained weight since then, but it doesn't mean I'm less attractive.
	Wait, what do you mean?
	Picking clothes that fit your figure, whether you're thin or fat, you can be a 10.
	I don't think that you have to be a certain weight and height.
	The way you carry your hot.
	Well, it also depends on the person.
	It's styling.
	It has nothing to do with whether you have a six-pack or not.
	Some guys.
	I feel a bit uncomfortable sitting next to you.
	Why?
	Because you were.
	Why do you keep wanting to see young Brian?
	I said that one time.
	Bro, Felicity is like people.
	Let's see you in 20 years.
	Yeah, she's right.
	Because she's calling you.
	She's pulling you over you.
	I want to see you twice.
	I'm not saying he's overweight.
	I'm just saying he's not like in an athletic shape.
	He's in video game shape.
	This is peak male.
	I'm not hitting you.
	This is peak male.
	He kind of hates you.
	No, thank you, Felicity.
	I know.
	I know.
	Felicity, I'm joking.
	That's a little banter.
	Pull it up.
	Pull it up.
	Pull up young Brian.
	I mean, your picture is on Instagram.
	Look at the picture.
	But the girl.
	I want to see young Brian.
	Me too.
	Like, come on.
	Welcome.
	Okay, thank you, Felicity.
	Pull it down, Brian.
	Pull it up.
	Not that the photo.
	But I wonder how old were those Instagram pictures?
	I think he has a lot of couple years.
	Is he catfishing?
	No.
	What Instagram?
	No, I'm saying those pictures on our Instagram account.
	You actually looked very good there.
	Damn, bro.
	So you're saying, how old are they?
	Why is this alternative?
	God damn, Brian.
	You looked good.
	You used to look good.
	You picked up the ball.
	Until I saw you right now.
	Are we pulling it up?
	Bro, it's a fine Brian picture.
	What's your situation?
	It's a young Brian picture dog.
	Dog.
	God damn, do I got it?
	Okay, Felicity, entertain them.
	Try your best.
	I even know.
	Or just pull his Instagram account up.
	I don't know.
	I have a question circling back to something from earlier, if that's okay.
	So we were discussing how most of us think that men should pay on the first date.
	My question was: how many dates should a guy take you on before you decide to sleep with him?
	Scroll some reading glasses.
	If you're somebody who's waiting for marriage, do you think the guy needs to pay for everything all the way up until that point?
	Oh, shit.
	Anyways, back to me.
	Yeah, it makes sense.
	Oh.
	All right, here's young Brian.
	Come on, you are so fucking hot.
	That's you?
	Hi, nine.
	That's you.
	That's not you.
	You don't even.
	What age are you in that?
	Are you serious?
	What age are you in that?
	Like 202?
	I think that will happen.
	Well, don't say that.
	Hey, you guys.
	No, I'm just surprised.
	You were honest because without the beard, and yet that hair is much different than you with the facial hair.
	Damn, bro, you got a boyfriend.
	You got to be careful what you're saying.
	And you're what, 36?
	No, I'm saying it's not even about that.
	It's just saying, you're saying you would smash another.
	I never said that.
	Okay, that was her.
	My bad.
	I would smash.
	I just said, wow, that was a question.
	In this world, where if you're not, I'm shocked because when I'm looking at these two, like, I can see the similarities, but also it's very different now.
	Yeah, you know, it's and I'm just like, what?
	Like two decades.
	That's like two decades right there.
	Of course.
	When I look at pictures of my dad when he was younger, I'm shocked because he does not look like my dad.
	What I've done with you guys is we've put all of you through AI.
	Well, hold on.
	We'll get to that.
	I need to wait.
	Is that what the waiver says?
	Pull up my Instagram.
	Pull up my Instagram.
	Pull that shit up.
	Put us all through AI.
	You'll see.
	Oh, you put like our faces through what AI?
	Scroll to the bottom.
	Oh, to see what we want to do.
	Scroll to the bottom, Marriott.
	Marius, scroll to the bottom.
	The mustache.
	Wait, Brian.
	Wait, can I guess the year of the mustache?
	Was that 2016?
	Oh, you're a surfer.
	That's Brian.
	This is me.
	That's like.
	Scroll up.
	You're suffering.
	Scroll up to the mustache picture.
	Look how thin I was.
	Can I see that?
	Oh, my God.
	Can we see the mustache picture?
	Exile with that.
	We love it.
	Go back up for a little bit.
	Oh, we love it.
	Felicity's gooning over here.
	What the fuck?
	Wait, go up a little bit.
	This is not the same thing.
	Chill out, Felicity, bro.
	God damn.
	Wait, scroll up.
	Go up.
	Scroll up.
	Click on the mustache picture that's coming.
	Scroll up.
	Keep going.
	Wait, wait, wait.
	Click the angel one.
	The girls love it.
	I'm the one with the puppy.
	Yeah.
	Wow.
	Exile that.
	Exile.
	Scroll up.
	Good sport for doing that costume.
	Wait, click on one of the mustache ones.
	Yeah, that one.
	You were so hot.
	What year was that?
	That was 2012, I think.
	2012, I told you.
	Well, I guess 2016.
	Yeah.
	You can click the other one too if you want.
	You've been doing the whatever podcast for that long.
	The whatever podcast has been like three years.
	I've been doing it.
	Well, your shirt right there says whatever.
	Why?
	I was doing different content.
	Oh, for whatever, okay.
	It's been whatever for a while.
	But I've been whatever for a minute.
	Wait, your old person costume's actually great.
	Did you get professional makeup done?
	It was, what's the term in special effects?
	There's a word for it, though.
	Prosthetic.
	Prosthetics.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Scroll up.
	Anyways, whatever.
	That's.
	All right.
	There it is.
	Young Brian.
	I don't know why we're not going to be able to do it.
	Young Brian.
	Or we just prefer without facial hair.
	You would look 10 years younger with all the facial hair, maybe.
	Bro, the triple chin would be.
	By the way, one Bitcoin, if you want to see the triple chin.
	Triple chin.
	I'll shave my beard.
	Send $5,000 and Brian will shave his hair.
	One Bitcoin.
	Wax the beard.
	One Bitcoin and I will shave my beard.
	Two Bitcoin he'll wax.
	Right now.
	Is Bitcoin still a thing?
	I thought that was over.
	It's like at $120,000.
	It's $110,000.
	Oh, it went down?
	Okay, I don't know.
	Whatever.
	I still like this one.
	Number four, who's Rachel DeLozel?
	You.
	That's a good question.
	What does that mean?
	Oh, my goodness.
	I have to pull up some chats.
	I got distracted by looking at my young self.
	That's what I'm saying.
	I was so charmed.
	What is that, Legal?
	Golly donating $200 from.
	Suffragettes gain strong male support for the 19th Amendment, granting women rights.
	Privilege, no duty.
	Would these women fight equally marching in Washington, D.C. for men's rights without the draft?
	Who were men to take away our rights?
	Why did we not have rights from the beginning?
	You guys don't understand the fact that we should have always had rights.
	There's rights what shouldn't have been given to us.
	The rights should have been, we're human.
	We're both like you guys don't.
	That's the point that you guys don't understand.
	Why were we not given rights to the beginning with?
	Like, the rights frustrating.
	Dmitranek Massage donated $200.
	Thank you, bro.
	I'm appreciative.
	Gotta lose.
	I'd happily do it for free.
	I'm really not blowing smoke either.
	I've changed the game.
	New medical understandings of fascia.
	Read the reviews for my business.
	Do you know what Fashion is?
	I'll look into it.
	Thank you.
	Thank you, Dimitri.
	I'll check my DMs after the show.
	Appreciate the message.
	We have Clain here.
	Good claim.
	Good claim.
	He says, yeah, a couple times in combat.
	Wouldn't bring it up if I hadn't.
	Little experience with sacrifice and loss.
	UMC 0311.
	I don't know if I'm saying that wrong.
	That's a grunt.
	I know that question was next.
	Not telling my unit.
	So he did see combat.
	He was in combat.
	He was in the military.
	Well, thank you for your service.
	Thank you for your service, Clane.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	You should apologize to Clain for questioning his.
	I will not do that.
	Okay.
	We have Chef Dil Pickles, Chair Three.
	Oh, boy.
	Rate Z Jinping's looks on scale from one to ten.
	Am I going to be censored?
	Is this a safe space to talk?
	Yeah, you can.
	I'm actually going to call his wife tonight and yeah, and then have a more orchestrated answer to that.
	What?
	You're going to have a threesome?
	No, I said I'm going to call Xi's wife tonight.
	Yeah, because I'm not like close enough to like, I've never seen him in person, so his wife knows better, like on a scale one to ten, like how, what he is.
	Oh, was that a joke?
	No, that was a joke.
	Yeah.
	You actually know.
	I don't, I don't actually have the contact information of his wife.
	Okay.
	Even though I wish.
	Otherwise, I wouldn't be sitting here.
	You said it was such a straight face.
	I really thought you were serious.
	Oh, cool.
	I can play that hopefully.
	She's a lawyer.
	Yeah.
	Wow.
	Good times.
	Okay.
	Going around the table.
	Do you think you'll be better looking in 10 years' time?
	Better looking looks.
	Just looks.
	I don't know.
	Hopefully.
	Let's go into the table if you can.
	I don't know.
	Hopefully.
	Hopefully.
	Yes, a million percent.
	What do you think, though?
	What do you think?
	I don't know.
	If you had to bet, if you had to pick one.
	10 years, I'll be almost 30.
	Yep.
	I'll probably have already had kids by then.
	Okay.
	But hopefully I'll keep going to the gym and stuff and feeling good about myself.
	I don't know.
	How about 20 years?
	Can you definitively say that you'll right now you're better looking than you will be in 20 years?
	In 20 years, I'll be almost 40.
	Yeah.
	To the male gaze, yes.
	To the female gaze?
	I don't know.
	I think I'll enjoy the way I look when I'm older.
	I'm excited to get old.
	You're 32, better looking in 10 years' time at 42.
	Yes.
	Into the mic, please.
	Yes.
	20 years' time, 52.
	Yes.
	30 years' time, 62.
	Yes.
	40 years' time, 72.
	Yes.
	50 years' time, 82.
	Period.
	Yes.
	60 years time, 92.
	I'm going to be hot no matter what, what age any all the time, yes.
	Here, repeat the question back to me just so I know you.
	You're asking me if I'm going to be less hot compared in 10 years or in the more years.
	Yeah, well, better looking.
	Yeah.
	Yes.
	I think women age gracefully, and I appreciate women.
	You know, I appreciate women's age, and I love the way they look when they're older.
	Me too.
	And I don't, I don't, I think the women should be aging perfectly in age when they get older.
	And I think I'm going to look hot no matter what.
	Okay.
	And then.
	And the technology is going to be crazy in the next five years, even.
	Okay.
	So, and then going back 10 years' time, are you better looking now at 32 than you were at 22?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	So just to be clear, 102, you will be better looking than how you look at 30.
	My grandpa died at 98, so I project to be old.
	I can take care of myself.
	Sure.
	Let's say you're 40.
	personally would always think myself of being hotter age when I grow older and older I will always be as hot and I'm gonna to men I don't care what men think.
	But isn't there a component of when we're talking about attraction, we are talking about something external to us, right?
	That's why I asked, are we talking about the male gays or are we just talking about what we think?
	Maybe to other people, no, but for me, personally, yes.
	I will always feel hotter and what age.
	The older I get, the more confident I'll get, the more I'll know who I am, the more everything will open up like a flower.
	I'll be blooming even more.
	So just to be clear, when you're 102, or let's say, let's even here, let me make it more realistic.
	Let's say when you're 50.
	Yes.
	If somebody could come to you at 50, and let's, you know, there are going to be, I suppose, some technological advancements when it comes to like plastic surgery and skincare and this sort of thing.
	But assuming you didn't opt to have any of those things and you just aged naturally, you don't think it would be the case at 50 if you could wave a magic wand and get back the looks that you currently have as it exists right now, you wouldn't do it?
	No.
	So you'd.
	I love twinkles.
	I think those are beautiful.
	And I think women should be okay to be aging gracefully into their natural bodies.
	And I think it's beautiful.
	I think you're, I don't know if, okay, whatever.
	What about you?
	You're 29.
	Will you be better looking in 10 years' time, 39?
	I mean, hopefully, I'm pretty confident I have good genetics because both my parents still look very young.
	And whenever I go out with them, and they don't even, people don't even think they're my parents.
	And one time I was out with my mom and people thought she's my coworker.
	But also just going off her point, I think sometimes it's beyond physical appearance.
	It's also about your inner confidence, your demeanor, the way you dress.
	Like, for example, I am biologically older, but when I looked at my pictures from early 20s, I was like despising myself for like the makeup I wore and also the outfits I put on.
	So I think it's all about the mentality if you feel good about yourself.
	Because I feel people generally build their confidence more as they got older.
	Okay.
	Let's see here.
	So 20 years' time, will you be better looking at 49?
	If you're simply talking about physical appearance, then okay, I probably won't look as good.
	But on the other hand, wrinkles can still be pretty.
	It's not necessary to put in a bunch of Botox just to disguise the fact that you're aging gracefully.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Is there any age at which you will be less good-looking than you are now?
	Like, is it 59, 69, 79?
	Maybe 50?
	50s.
	Okay.
	And then are you better looking now at 29 than you were at 19?
	Oh, definitely.
	Okay.
	Going to you, you're 35.
	Will you be better looking in 10 years' time at 45?
	Yes.
	Will you be better looking in 20 years' time at 55?
	I believe and agree with what she said.
	And I think that wisdom is beauty and knowledge is power.
	And so, find why it's beauty.
	The question is about the beauty of the beautiful.
	I think my grandmother is just as beautiful now in her 90s as she was in her 20s.
	The cope is insane.
	She's as physically beautiful.
	She is a stunning woman, and she still dresses, and everything about it to a T is beautiful.
	So I think that style evolves as you age.
	Sorry, not the answer you wanted.
	All right.
	Okay, so you'll be better looking at 105.
	I didn't say that.
	Well, I'm asking if you would.
	I don't think I'll be alive at 105.
	Let's say you are.
	Oh, my God, bro.
	No, physically, I'll be wrinkly by then, like to a probably in a hospital bed if I were to live that long.
	Okay, so at what point, like, when's your peak?
	I think when your brain diminishes, your beauty goes with it.
	When you turn into a vegetable, things stop looking nice.
	If you love yourself, I want to ask you both a question.
	Like, why do you hate all my answers?
	Because you.
	Because if you.
	Hold on.
	How would you feel if you didn't have breakfast this morning?
	We didn't.
	I fast all the time.
	Just fine.
	It's just a hypothetical.
	Wait, so how would you feel if you didn't have breakfast this morning?
	Fine.
	But what was your answer to the previous?
	You said you didn't have breakfast.
	I didn't have breakfast today.
	I usually don't have breakfast.
	Neither did I.
	We went to lunch.
	Okay.
	So, okay, 65 versus 35, better looking at what age?
	I'll go 35.
	Okay.
	And then going back in time, you're better looking at 25, 10 years ago, or 35?
	Now?
	I look like a totally different person.
	So I think both were equally hot.
	I see.
	Okay.
	You're 47.
	Will you be better looking in 10 years' time at 57?
	I don't think so.
	Please, into the mic.
	I don't think so.
	Okay, and you're 47.
	Were you better looking 10 years ago at 37 than you are now at 47?
	No.
	20 years ago, 27 versus 47?
	No.
	Better looking now?
	Wait, so okay.
	Better looking at 20 or 47 than 27?
	100%.
	But you're better looking now than you will be at 57.
	I think so.
	Can you speak into the mic?
	I need you like this close.
	This close enough.
	I don't think I'm.
	I don't think I will be.
	Okay.
	You're 20.
	Will you be better looking in 10 years' time at 30?
	No.
	Okay.
	Pull up the age AI advancements.
	Some of you guys said some pretty crazy answers here.
	So this is.
	Go ahead.
	Do you think you've reached your peak beauty?
	Babe, you're using a lot more confidence in your life.
	I think that's so sad.
	That's very sad.
	You think my organs is going to change?
	You have a lot.
	There's so many things you can do.
	You need to work on your self-esteem.
	Discover about yourself.
	I've worked on it.
	I thought I was ugly for the longest time.
	And I had an ugly duckling.
	That's what they called me when I was little.
	Growing up, my sister was like, you're the ugly duckling.
	I had to grow into the beauty.
	Yeah, me too.
	All right, here.
	And plastic surgery, but that helped.
	I mean, and what are these ages?
	This is what AI thinks.
	But at what?
	I'm going to age.
	I don't know.
	Well, AI thinks my facet face is going to change.
	Okay.
	And AI isn't capable of actually understanding what the aging process fully is for humans.
	But I'm really glad.
	You're a 10-year progressive.
	You're trying to play a gotcha moment with me once again.
	It's a gotcha.
	Don't think it's a gotcha.
	But I already said that I don't know what I'm going to say.
	Like, you don't know that that's what I'm going to look like.
	Well, of course.
	If you showed yourself when you were 20 a picture of you now, would you believe yourself?
	Let's do AI on the 20-year-old picture now to see how this is going to be.
	It's not going to be offensive.
	This is usually like the fun part.
	It's not meant to hurt your feelings.
	I'm not going to go over the fun part of the show, but okay.
	Hold on, let's go.
	I'm just curious to see myself.
	Just to me, it feels like you're trying to be like, look, how ugly you're going to get when you're old.
	Even though I didn't say that.
	Did I say that?
	Wait, did I say ugly?
	It seems like you're making a picture.
	I didn't say her mind is exactly.
	You got to stop interrupting.
	I didn't say that.
	You're making the claim.
	You said the word ugly, not me.
	Did I say the word ugly?
	Did you hear what I said?
	Tell me what.
	Oh, repeat it then.
	It's making me feel like you are putting this out there.
	Your feelings have no basis in reality.
	Unless I've made it.
	But you're asking what we think.
	We can think but not feel.
	We're women, so we can't feel.
	We can't think or feel.
	Bro.
	I literally did not say that you guys are.
	It had nothing to do with your family.
	Well, you started the question with, do you think you're still going to be pretty?
	Or what do you think am I going to look like when I'm older?
	And then you show me some weird, degraded AI picture of me when I'm like saggy and old.
	Hold on.
	As if that's fact.
	So hold on.
	Well, first off, AI is not going to be a perfect representation.
	It's like making a prediction.
	It's probably not perfect.
	I know.
	It could even be really off, but it's to give you a potential representation of aging.
	But you started the question by saying, do you think you're going to be more attractive?
	And you just wanted us to say yes so you could show us a picture of us old and to kind of pull this up no matter what.
	All of you went through the AI aging process.
	That's what we're going to do, but I just want to make it clear.
	I'm willing to make...
	Let's move past chair one.
	Yeah, so what do you want to do on those pictures?
	So what I'm prepared to say is that I do think as people age, they become less attractive.
	If you think that that's offensive, okay, I don't know what to tell you, but I am prepared to make that claim that yes, I think as people get older, they generally become less attractive.
	At what age do you think beauty peaks?
	I think there are some differentials between men and women, but I think typically, if you're asking me about women, I would say probably like you're looking at peaking at 25.
	And then I think there's like steady decline.
	Okay.
	Thank you for your answer.
	So do you think when you're like an 80-year-old man, hopefully married to an 80-year-old?
	You're way too far from the mic.
	Please.
	So do you think when you're an old man, maybe married to an old woman, you're not going to think your wife is attractive?
	You're going to be staring at 25-year-olds.
	Well, you said that old people are ugly.
	And that beauty peaks at 25.
	You can keep putting words into my mouth.
	That's literally what you just said.
	How would it literally be what I just said?
	Because you said beauty peaks at 25, then it gets ugly as you can.
	You literally be what I just said if I literally didn't say it.
	Because you literally said that age, like beauty peaks at age 25.
	So I'm asking you.
	You said you would still find your old wife attractive.
	We're going to be talking about that.
	I did not say that.
	I'm asking.
	I'm just, but I'm just asking.
	It's not meant to.
	We are never going to finish this conversation.
	He said we're not allowed to feel.
	I didn't say you weren't allowed to feel.
	I said, I don't care that she feels that I was about to say women being ugly.
	I care about you.
	I didn't say that.
	But also about to say that.
	Nobody's in control of AI.
	That's just what AI thinks.
	I think the question being phrased is: do we think we're going to be more or less attractive, followed by pictures of us as AI grandmas, is supposed to be a gotcha moment?
	And I don't like that.
	Okay.
	Thank you for your contribution.
	Go ahead, pull up.
	We're going to be talking about that.
	How many is it AI's reality?
	Or is you and I are at our peak age right now?
	After we have kids, you're not your peak.
	We're going to legally drink.
	We're going to age and get uglier.
	It's just the fact of life.
	Just cope for sure.
	We're all entitled to our opinion.
	That's your opinion.
	And that's it.
	I just reality.
	I just think that's what I'm saying.
	And that's your reality.
	It might be, yeah, it might be your reality.
	I think, Ryan.
	I'm happy that you think you're going to get uglier with age.
	Here, let's get.
	I want to move the show along so we can hopefully get through this.
	So, okay.
	Oh, who's that?
	Oh, me.
	Baddie.
	What's up?
	Let me take those dentures out.
	Look, look, look.
	Let's go.
	Sorry, I'm not really angry.
	Okay, so you said you're not.
	I look amazing.
	What do you mean?
	What?
	That's funny.
	Okay, troll.
	I look great.
	My hair, look, it's not even gray.
	Like, blonde is still blonde.
	It's like better blonde than the one I'm here.
	Like, my hair is going to get even nicer.
	Like, see, you're looking for her to be offended by the picture.
	I'm not looking for her.
	You just call her a troll because she said she thinks she still looks like a girl.
	I think it is a bit of a troll answer to be like, yeah, I'm like, to give that answer to say, yeah, I'm so fucking hot when it's like, come on, let's be realistic here.
	I see.
	I was right.
	I drink a lot of water.
	I'm going to say that.
	That's great.
	Love that for you.
	Next.
	I also love that story.
	Cute.
	Wow.
	What do you think?
	Did you change these?
	I know.
	I know.
	I think I'll look way better than that.
	Yeah.
	Just by looking at my parents' age.
	But it's okay.
	I'm not offended.
	That's just AI.
	I can't wait.
	That's not even you in the beginning.
	Yeah.
	It was just insane.
	Wow, they did a lot of favors for you.
	What the fuck?
	In that first photo, bro.
	What?
	So you just.
	Wow.
	What do you mean?
	It's what?
	They know it's true.
	Laughing.
	Hey, you got a hickey, Maren?
	Is that a hickey?
	I don't know what you're talking about.
	What the fuck, Marin?
	Oh, my God.
	Sorry, I have a boyfriend.
	So, your own photo that was taken of sitting at this table, you're saying got favors.
	Sorry, you want one.
	I'm just saying they do a little, there was a tune-up job.
	What?
	It's face-to-face.
	They face-tuned the first photo.
	And only mine, not anybody else.
	No, no.
	I think they do the other ones, but stop face-tuning the original photos.
	Whoever's doing it.
	Oh, my God.
	I could do a better AI job.
	I'm not very afraid.
	All right.
	Next.
	It's a state of mind.
	I'm so done with this race.
	Oh, my God.
	Her rage rate is crazy.
	She's also not phologenic.
	Oh.
	Well, she, I think.
	Okay, whatever.
	next no they do facetune the original Let's take a look at his crying.
	All right, let's see Felicity here.
	Oh, what the fuck?
	God damn.
	Yikes.
	All right.
	Go ahead, do me.
	But they totally changed your whole photograph.
	Oh, my God.
	You still photo from now.
	What do you mean?
	You look like huge children in a lot of people.
	Wow.
	God damn.
	Like, I have her picture good.
	They totally changed her entire facial anatomy.
	Bro, look, it's AI.
	It's not going to be hyper-realistic, you know?
	I mean, you could do like you could fine-tune it.
	Just like a super quick thing that people in the Discord do.
	Is there another one of me?
	Okay, now we're getting into gender.
	Are you going to make a double check?
	I look like my brother.
	All right, keep an eye on it.
	Keep an eye on it to see.
	Oh, boy.
	Okay, Roy Zorin, thank you for the gifted five subs.
	Appreciate it.
	We have Casty George here.
	Thank you.
	Hasty George donated $200.
	Chair One, the face and body sag as you age.
	You can say whatever you want or even claim gotcha.
	However, in reality, no woman can ever be.
	In reality, I'm not attracted to children.
	Women age, and if you like women, you're not afraid of a child.
	I'm not butt hurt over like AI picture.
	I'm butt hurt over.
	Period.
	Oh, God.
	And yes, women society.
	Whenever Chair One is, they're up to here.
	Just saying.
	Holy fuck, dude.
	Okay, whenever Chair One is asked a question, she creates a hypothetical to deflect from answering honestly.
	Otherwise, she's stumped as it contradicts or falsifies her worldview.
	She sidesteps the point galore.
	Andrew Wilson would make her cry by holding her feet to the fire.
	Andrew Wilson probably would make me cry.
	I'm not even going to lie.
	He's like a master at rage bait.
	I'd probably get really upset by him.
	And creating a hypothetical to deflect from answering honestly.
	I'd love for you to like pull up lots of evidence of that.
	But also, I believe that all my answers have been accurate to what I believe.
	So hate me if you want, but I'll never know you in real life, and I don't care.
	That was beautiful.
	Thank you for sharing that.
	Okay.
	We need to get to.
	Shout out to you of life.
	Okay.
	I wanted to come back to our conversation.
	Our conversation at the beginning of the show was all over the place.
	You were talking about Charlie Kirk, and then you went, you compared him to Andrew Tate, and then you.
	I just said they're in the same category in my mind.
	And you said that Charlie Kirk would be like you're fearful of women in his circle or something like that.
	I don't know what that claim was about.
	Oh, I wanted to explore this.
	You said you're a misandrist.
	Can you explain again what that is?
	You know, I just believe that if women were in power, there'd be a lot less issues going on in the world.
	If every country in the entire world was ruled by women, I truthfully, wholeheartedly believe that we would have so many less issues.
	And even though I may not be able to be proven right or wrong, that is my belief.
	Everyone's intelligent on believes.
	Sure.
	And I'm not saying I hate men.
	I'm just saying that I believe that women are smarter than men in certain ways.
	And maybe you can try to prove me wrong.
	But again, I believe that a lot of the educational system has been set up by the patriarchy.
	So it's not fair for you to say that men's IQs are currently higher than women's or whatever factor you're going to throw at me.
	Depending on the time, you shotgun.
	I'm answering one question.
	I know, but you're shocking a lot of points here.
	I'd like to take them one by one, if that's okay.
	Well, they all are grouped together in my mind.
	Let me really quickly just explore.
	Again, you said the patriarchy as it relates to the education system.
	We already went over it.
	I quite clearly demonstrated that there are more women going to college and getting degrees than there are men.
	This would completely contradict and debunk your point that the patriarchy is made.
	Like if there was a patriarchy, wouldn't it be the case that they'd be trying to favor men into higher education?
	Have you read history books?
	That happened all throughout all the time.
	For the past four decades, women have predominated in the university.
	For decades of hundreds of thousands of years at this point, I'm talking about right now.
	So here, let me.
	But you can't talk about right now ignoring history.
	Watch.
	While ignoring history.
	Yeah, yeah, for the sake of conversation, and I have some disputes as it relates to your historical points, but I'm just going to grant for the sake of argument that you're 100% right.
	Historically, yes, women were had all these bars to entry into the education system.
	Now that I've granted your argument on that, let's talk about modernity.
	In modernity, for the past 40 years, well, 40, 45 years, women have been disproportionately represented in higher education.
	Now, let's talk about that.
	How could it be evidence current day that the patriarchy has any sort of foothold in anything if it is the case that, like, if the patriarchy wanted to maintain power and the patriarchy, wouldn't you want to exclude women from higher education because you would agree that higher education gives people more opportunity and it would try to push the majority of men into having opportunity as it relates to higher education?
	But that's clearly not the case.
	There's more women in higher education.
	It defeats your point entirely.
	Which is what?
	What point does that defeat?
	That women think women are smarter.
	Doesn't mean you're smart.
	I mean, I agree with you.
	I'm just saying that I believe that if the world had turned out differently and women were in power, we would be a lot better off.
	Okay, question for you on that.
	That's what I mean when I say misandry.
	Question for you on that.
	If I were to say, just to be clear, this is not my position necessarily, but if I were to say the following, would you think it would be sexist?
	I think that the world is better because men do have more power in it.
	Yes, I think that's sexist.
	So how is your position not sexist if you were to say, I think the world would be better if women were in charge?
	It is.
	Oh, okay.
	So you're sexist.
	She says she's messing.
	Misogyny is the opposite of misandry.
	Feminism is in the middle.
	Okay, so you hate misandry.
	I'm, but, okay, misogyny isn't I hate all women.
	It's I believe that men are better than women and deserve more power.
	Feminism is I think everyone should be equal.
	And misandry is I think women deserve more power.
	I believe that women would do better in positions of power than men.
	And that is my belief system.
	Okay, but you would also, wouldn't you fight against men making the positive claim that men are, if men are in positions of power, that they actually think that the world would be a better place if more men are in positions of power?
	Yeah, what about it?
	Well, you would object to that statement, right?
	They'd object to mine.
	But shouldn't you object to your own sexist rhetoric?
	No.
	So it's okay, just to be clear, you're against sexism, sort of.
	But only if men are sexist towards women, not if women are sexist towards men?
	You know, I truthfully also believe that if women were in power, sexism would not really be as big of a thing.
	Everyone's lives would just be better off.
	And that's my, again, that's my own belief.
	I don't believe that women, if women were in power, I don't believe that women would create a system that is unfair towards men.
	I believe that things would be a lot more equal.
	I just think that women would be better off in power.
	I'm trying to explore the logic.
	So you would be, I assume, very ideologically opposed to a man saying that they think that society is better or would be better if men, let's say men are currently fully in power.
	You would object to this sort of statement.
	Yeah, well, men already think that all the time.
	I'm not sure if that's actually the case because that's sort of a male supremacy view.
	But I think a lot of people believe in sort of a more complementarian perspective as it relates to gender roles.
	But I'm just curious.
	So you think, just to be clear, You think society would be better if women were in charge.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, I do.
	But so then you can't then object, I suppose.
	You might disagree, but you.
	I might disagree, but I don't object.
	They can say whatever they want to say.
	They can believe whatever they want to believe.
	So you're fine with that.
	But I'll fight them on it.
	And they can fight me on my view.
	I'm fine with that.
	I mean, there actually, there is some logical consistency there.
	If you're saying you would disagree, but you'd actually be okay with men saying, yeah, we should continue the patriarchy because I think the patriarchy is better for the world.
	Men are allowed to think that, yeah.
	And are men also allowed to think, for example, the world would be a worse place if women had predominated in roles of power.
	Yeah, people are allowed to, people are allowed to think whatever they want to think.
	Okay, but you would probably categorize it as sexist, right?
	Sure.
	But you're sexist too.
	Yeah.
	Oh, well, okay.
	But sexism is bad?
	Sexism on a grand scale where women have been like shut down and oppressed in multiple ways is a bad thing.
	And I, again, I believe that if women were in power, they would not be oppressive towards men.
	It would just be different.
	And again, you can never prove me right or wrong because we'd have to completely uproot the world and change the way things are.
	That's just what I believe.
	Mary, hide it.
	Sorry, go ahead.
	Hide what?
	Don't worry about it.
	Go ahead.
	I was done with my sentence.
	Can you just repeat the last 10 seconds?
	I got distracted there.
	I believe that if women were in charge, they would not be oppressive towards men.
	It would be different.
	However, you can't prove me right or wrong.
	And so it's just a belief.
	Just like a lot of things are just believes.
	I'm fine with people arguing with me.
	I'm fine with people disagreeing with me.
	That's just my belief system.
	Okay, so sexism bad, though.
	Yeah.
	Okay, so why are you engaging in something that's bad?
	Because sexism on a grand scale, where like if we denied men the right to do jobs or to make money or to do different things, that would be bad.
	However, I believe that if women were in power, men would not be oppressed in any way.
	Things would be a lot more equal and women would just do better in positions of mass power.
	That is my belief.
	There's no way to prove me right or wrong.
	So you're just going to have to take it as my word.
	And that's just what I believe.
	I'm okay with people disagreeing with me.
	I'm okay with men thinking that it's different.
	There's lots of men who think that only men can be in power.
	And, you know, a woman's just going to bomb someone when they're on their period, which is complete BS.
	But that is a big thing that a lot of men think.
	I'm allowed to think what I want to think.
	And it's just a belief and there's no science behind it.
	I mean, there's a little bit of science behind it, but I'd have to really do like a deep thesis paper on this if I wanted to like really try to prove myself.
	My confusion here is if it is your position that sexism is bad and we should move away from sexism, how are you going to reconcile your own admitted sexism?
	Because I don't believe if women were in power, they would actually oppress the male gender.
	It wouldn't be a sexism thing.
	It's just me saying I think women would be better in power.
	The way that men are in power, they oppress women in multiple ways.
	I believe that if women were in power, they would not oppress men.
	People would be equal, but women would be more in power.
	How are women oppressed?
	I don't want to get into this rage bait with you right now.
	how would that be rage bait it's literally you literally just listed so many ways that women are oppressed Okay, what ways are women oppressed?
	Sexually, men have more sexual power.
	If you get essayed and you go to a judge, it's way more likely that a man's going to be let off the hook than a woman.
	Wait, more.
	Men have more sexual power.
	Whoa, whoa, hold on, hold on.
	One at a time, please.
	One at a time.
	You're saying that when it comes to prosecutions and somebody being found guilty, you're saying women are more likely to be found guilty of crimes than men are.
	No, I didn't say that.
	What you just said.
	I said that men are likely to get off the hook for sexual aggression.
	How so?
	As compared to women.
	Like right now, Trump's trying to say that Diddy shouldn't be in jail.
	Did he actually make that claim?
	He tweeted that.
	Trump sent a tweet about Diddy.
	Yeah.
	I'm not aware of the tweet.
	Maybe I'm not sure.
	But I'm just saying, in general, in general, there's so many stories of women trying to come out about their essay stories and getting shut down because what were they wearing and different things about men?
	There is oppression there.
	And it's if even if it's not the U.S., there's mass oppression in, oh my gosh, so many places in the world.
	We're very lucky in the U.S.
	I know that.
	I am not very oppressed as a woman in the U.S., you know?
	But there are so many places, and we're forgetting that there's so many places where like women aren't even allowed to sing or speak or go in public without a man.
	Everything is in the Middle East.
	Come on.
	Yeah, that's horrible.
	Yeah, that's true.
	That's what I'm saying.
	And so, and so, yeah, it depends on the country.
	And in the U.S., we're very lucky to not have to deal with such strong oppression.
	However, there's still aspects of oppression that we deal with.
	If one woman is hurting, we are all hurting.
	I have a question.
	Even in different countries, we're all women.
	We're all here together.
	We're all hurting.
	I have a question for you.
	So, you said that in like countries like Scandinavian countries where females are in places of power, do you think that women are still oppressed in countries like that?
	Definitely not as much.
	I mean, I'm sure there's still some male aggression towards females, but I know, like, in the U.S., maternity leave is very like subjective.
	However, in places like Scandinavia, I know that they get like paid maternity leave.
	Men get time off so that they can spend time with the family.
	They're hospital, like they get cared for.
	They have nurses that care for them and give them like spa treatments because they know that birth is hard.
	I mean, that's just a small example, but you know, other people are not afforded that because here, how are women oppressed?
	Okay, I'm asking, how are women about it?
	How are women?
	Okay, here, let's start with something simpler then.
	First, can you just give me a definition of oppression?
	Like, not getting the same basic rights as other people.
	Okay, sure.
	So, what rights do men have that women don't?
	Control over their bodies.
	Well, that's not true.
	Women can't have abortions anymore.
	Women have those.
	In some cases, not everywhere.
	You know, that woman in Georgia who's like on life support, even though she's completely brain dead and the family wants her to be killed, like be taken away because she's completely brain dead.
	But the hospital will not let them take her off of life support because she is pregnant.
	And so they're using her body as like basically like an incubator until the baby is birthed.
	I can engage with you on the abortion thing, but is there anything besides abortion you can point to as it relates to a right that the man has that women do not?
	In the law, no.
	In society, you can see it trickling in in just different ways.
	But if we're talking about rights, typically we are talking about in the law, I would say abortion is the biggest example.
	Anything else, though?
	Just abortion?
	Not that comes to mind.
	But that's just laws, not like systematic and social oppression.
	Okay.
	So it's okay.
	You don't need to check on that.
	It's fine.
	So on the abortion argument, I don't think that this is actually evidence of an inequality that exists between men and women.
	Because what we're doing is doing a comparison between men and women.
	What rights do men have that women don't?
	Men don't have abortion rights.
	So you would have to agree with me.
	Men were able to make abortion rights, even though it's not their body.
	You're moving away from the actual argument.
	That is the argument.
	Let me make the argument.
	So you're saying that women don't have any abortion rights.
	Well, excuse me.
	You're saying in some states women don't have abortion rights because you wouldn't have to do that.
	You would agree that in other states women do have abortion rights.
	Yeah, in California, we have abortion rights.
	So in those states, you would say that there is no difference of rights between men and women.
	In the law, but socially, there is oppression, just in different ways.
	But as it relates to abortion, you would agree that men can't force women to get abortions, right?
	Well, by law, I guess technically, yes.
	By law, technically, yes, they can in some states.
	Men created the rule that they are not allowed to get abortions.
	And so that is a man telling a woman she's not allowed to get an abortion.
	But men can't force a woman to get an abortion, right?
	No, because it's legal now.
	Even if they want to get away from the power.
	No, but a man.
	Let's say the woman wants to keep the kid and the man doesn't want to have a kid.
	He can't force the woman to get an abortion.
	It depends.
	There's no legally, no, he can't, but physically, he probably could.
	There's ways to.
	Sure, there could be an abusive guy who's like drags her physically to the abortion clinic and is like, I'm going to kill you if you don't do it.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, sure, that could happen, but that has nothing to do with like, there is no right that would grant a man like an ability to force a woman to get an abortion.
	No.
	Okay, so wouldn't you have to make, you would have to agree with me on this that it would actually create a certain level of equality that exists between men and women.
	In order for there to be equality as it relates to reproductive rights, you would just have to outright ban abortion entirely.
	No.
	Yes.
	No.
	Let me explain it to you.
	Men have no reproductive rights.
	So equality would have to dictate that in order for there to actually be equality between men and women, you would have to walk back women's abortion rights for there to be equality.
	Men have the right to impregnate a dozen women at a time, and then you're saying those women don't have...
	That's not an argument, but okay, go ahead and make it.
	How is that not an argument?
	As in, if a guy gets me pregnant and I don't want to have his, or you're saying I want to have his child, he doesn't want me to have the child, right?
	That's the scenario.
	It's not even, no, that's not the scenario.
	He's just saying that in order for abortion rights to be equal, men should also get a say.
	How about men take birth control?
	He's saying I'm not saying that.
	I'm saying, one, no, I don't think that that should be the case.
	But two, men cannot force women to have abortions.
	I'm not a full financial support.
	They can leave the relationship.
	They can do whatever.
	Men and women are allowed to leave relationships.
	And then the man gets the woman pregnant but says, I don't want you to have the baby.
	If you don't get an abortion, you got to get the fuck out of the house.
	How is it her fault that she got pregnant?
	Because she had sex.
	It literally logically doesn't even fall.
	They were in a relationship living together.
	You're talking about something completely different.
	The point I'm trying to make here is you're making the argument that women are oppressed and that women do not have equal rights to men in the United States to which you cite abortion laws or reproductive rights.
	Since men have no reproductive rights, I would say that in order for there to be equal rights to men in the USA between men and women, the only means by which you can arrive at equal rights between men and women would be to walk back abortion rights for women.
	I'm not saying that that should be the case.
	What I'm saying is that that would be how it would have to be for there to actually be equality between men and women.
	If men were like seahorses and they could also carry children, I would agree with you.
	But they can't.
	So I don't agree with you.
	But okay.
	Just think about it logically.
	Yeah.
	I don't know.
	I am, honey.
	If you're not, putting your feelings of your argument.
	If I have to carry a baby for nine months and then rip open my vagina to give birth to it and a man doesn't even have to be there if he doesn't want to, I think I should decide if I want to go through.
	That's the argument I'm making.
	You're making the argument that if we wanted to be 100% equal, but what equal is not always fair.
	So you do agree that's not equal.
	Is that women can't impregnate themselves?
	Okay, here's the context of the conversation.
	The context is, it's what rights do men have that women don't?
	So within that context, men don't have reproductive rights.
	So the fact that in some states women don't have access to abortion, I don't think that you could say that that should be something women can have.
	They should have access to abortions, but it's not evidence of men having some sort of advantage or privilege or benefit or right that women don't.
	The question is, what right do men have that women don't?
	As you guys are correct, only women can get pregnant, but this has nothing to do with a comparison of women's rights to men's rights.
	Men don't have any rights as it relates to their reproduction.
	So your claim that, well, abortion rights, if I were to go ahead, yeah, sure, okay, women don't have abortion rights.
	What does that have to do with equal rights between men and women?
	You and I just disagree on that.
	And I don't think we're ever going to see eye to eye on abortion rights, which a lot of people aren't going to see eye to eye on abortion rights.
	I'm not having an abortion debate with you.
	I'm having a debate with you on men's and women's rights.
	But you thinking that women don't have the right to get an abortion by themselves.
	Hold on.
	I didn't make that.
	I didn't even make that argument.
	For all you know, I could be pro-choice.
	Okay, but you saying that it wouldn't be equal, I think we agree differently on that.
	Agree differently.
	Okay.
	I could be pro-choice and make the same argument I just made.
	And I disagree with that argument.
	But what is, I'm a little confused here.
	So what specifically do you disagree with the argument about?
	I disagree that in order for abortion rights to be equal for men and women, abortion should be banned because men don't should get an equal say or something.
	Okay.
	To clarify, I'm not speaking should.
	I'm speaking.
	I know, hypothetically, I'm speaking descriptively.
	So descriptively, it is the case that because men don't have these, I'm not saying that men should be able to get an abortion on behalf.
	Like, that's not what I'm advocating for.
	Okay.
	I'm advocating for the, that I'm, or, well, I'm actually making a counter to your claim that men have rights that women don't.
	Okay.
	You would have to establish that men have abortion rights to make the claim that in the states where women don't have abortion rights, men have abortion rights.
	If men don't have abortion rights, which they don't in any state, then how could it ever be the case that women not having abortion rights in a state is evidence of men having rights that women don't possess?
	I'm not saying, I'm just saying that means oppression to me.
	And to a lot of women, to a lot of women, not having the ability to choose if they want an abortion or not is oppression.
	And if you don't think that, you don't think that that's your opinion.
	My opinion is that it is oppressive to not let a woman make decisions about her own body.
	Even if a man impregnated her and that is his child, I still think the woman has the right to make the decision if she wants an abortion or not.
	Yeah.
	And so I actually, in response to something you said before, you mentioned how you, I think you said something along the lines of men don't have bodily autonomy.
	When did I say that?
	I think you said something along those lines.
	Well, bodily autonomy, everyone has bodily autonomy.
	I don't know what you mean by that.
	Well, you said, didn't you?
	Can somebody rewind the tape?
	You didn't say something about like men don't have any loss of bodily autonomy or anything like that.
	Oh, the right to their bodily autonomy.
	I think that, can you repeat how you framed it?
	Like men don't have a law that like dictates a part of their body the way that women do, where women could be forced to not have an abortion, whereas there is no law that says like men aren't allowed to do certain things.
	How about circumcision?
	Or like, how about a law that says when they turn 13, they all have to get a vasectomy because then they can't get someone pregnant and they can get it reversed whenever they want.
	That would be an issue because it hurts their right to their own bodily autonomy.
	However, that's not a law.
	The only laws that affect bodily autonomy happen towards women.
	That's what I think.
	Can you think of any law that, or can you think of any law that relates to the bodily autonomy of men?
	The only thing I can think of.
	Or the taking away of it.
	The only thing I can think of would be the draft.
	But I already said that I don't think that should be a thing.
	But it is a thing.
	But I already said I don't think it should be, just like I don't think women should be forced to not get abortions.
	Right.
	So, like, I don't know where you're trying to get at me with that, but.
	Yeah, well, originally you were making the claim that there's nothing, at least as it relates to law, that takes away men's bodily autonomy.
	And you mentioned one.
	I give you, I guess, some credit there for at least saying that forced military conscription would take away men's bodily autonomy.
	But like I said, I don't think that should be a thing.
	But it is a thing.
	But I.
	It doesn't matter what you think.
	It's reality, and that's what it is.
	I can give you two others, though.
	I'd like to give you two other examples as it relates to bodily autonomy.
	So infant boys.
	Circumcision.
	Circumcised.
	That's the parents' choice.
	Well, here's the difference.
	I don't think that should happen.
	Yes, I agree with you.
	Well, I'm against circumcision.
	But what I would point out to you, while there aren't any laws, for example, that force boys to get circumcised, you would have to agree that there's significant social pressure, cultural pressure, religious pressure.
	And, you know, even on the healthcare front, there's certain, I would call it propaganda that relates to this.
	Yeah.
	Where doctors are like pediatricians are advocating for the procedure of circumcision.
	But what I would point out, though, that does sort of relate to.
	Thank you for your addition to the conversation.
	I appreciate it.
	While I was talking to you, hold on.
	Well, I'd like to finish my thoughts.
	So there is a law that is sort of related to this.
	So the circumcision of baby girls is outlawed.
	How do you circumcise a woman?
	It's horrible.
	It's female genital.
	Female genital mutilation.
	It happens a lot in like Trab tribes and like Somalia and stuff.
	It's very brutal.
	And I think it's good that we have laws on the books against female genital mutilation, but I think there ought to be a corresponding law to prevent circumcision or what I call male genital mutilation.
	Sure.
	But there isn't.
	So that would indicate to me, although, again, there's no law that says men must be circumcised, there is a law that prevents it from ever happening to baby girls.
	But society and culture has completely accepted this barbaric practice as it relates to baby boys.
	Can I say something?
	Yep.
	I'm not fully sure how circumcision works.
	I've never researched that.
	I'm pretty sure it's like a surgical practice, correct?
	Like the baby boy would go under or would be put under some sort of a medication or something.
	It doesn't just happen like right out there in the wild.
	I'm actually not entirely sure.
	I'm not.
	Yeah, I know they do it right when the boy is born, and I'm not sure the surgical practice of it, but I know that female genital mutilation happens when the woman is completely of age and conscious.
	No medical practice is usually used.
	Well, it doesn't happen in the U.S.
	Yeah, but no medical practice is usually used.
	No anesthesia, no pain meds, no nothing.
	The girl is strapped down and just carved up and then stitched up.
	And the reason is also done to the reason it happens is because they want to make sure that the woman is a virgin so you can see that she's still stitched up when you marry her.
	Circumcision is a religious practice that happened a long time ago.
	Do I think it's right?
	No.
	Do I think I'm going to circumcise my sons?
	No.
	I don't really.
	However, you cannot compare the two fully.
	Actually, I can, and here's why.
	So, for example, one of the arguments that they often make, there's a social component too, as it relates to circumcision.
	Women's own preferences dictate this.
	Like, there is a component of parents being like, well, I live in a society where circumcision is practiced.
	And if my son, there's the healthcare component that's kind of bullshit, like hygiene, whatever.
	There's plenty of men in the world who are not circumcised, who have perfectly good hygiene.
	But there is a social component where parents are going to make a determination, well, everybody else is circumcised.
	Is my baby boy going to fare perhaps worse when it comes to dating or when he becomes an adult, when he does become start dating, because of women's genitalia preferences?
	And it seems to me the case.
	There's a lot of women, especially in countries where men are circumcised, women have very strong preferences towards circumcised men.
	It's because they didn't have the option of and single moms are almost invariably always getting their baby boys circumcised in the United States.
	I'll just make the point.
	I've never met anyone who cared.
	I understand that it is a thing.
	And I don't even know what religion actually circumcises.
	I've never done research on circumstances or circumcisation or whatever.
	But do I think it's right?
	I never said that.
	So.
	But we're talking about bodily autonomy.
	And I do actually think the case, at least if we're speaking in the U.S. and a lot of Western countries, female genital mutilation.
	And if I'm even willing to grant that, like at least some of your argument has merit insofar as perhaps the reasons they do it are very questionable or they do it at a certain age where it's like, okay.
	Although I would say there's plenty of men who didn't get circumcised when they're babies and they get circumcised later on in life.
	Do they get circumcised with no pain meds, no nothing?
	Or like, I would like to know how the procedure is done.
	I, again, not a total expert on that.
	Because I'm almost certain it's not as barbaric.
	Well, again, in the United States, my understanding, if you're an adult male and you opt to get circumcised, there's going to be some level of sedation, I assume.
	I don't know if it's like localized anesthesia.
	I'm not an expert on adult male circumcisions.
	But I would, again, point out that there are laws on the book that completely, completely preclude female genital mutilation.
	So that can't be done.
	So that does relate to bodily autonomy.
	And then the other one would be, well, you mentioned the draft, so I won't go into that.
	The other one would be kind of related to the abortion or the getting pregnant or whatever.
	So we did away with debtors' prisons a long time ago.
	We realized that if you owed a debt, if you owed money, that you shouldn't have to go to prison for it.
	did away with that.
	There can be sort of penalties and ramifications, your credit score, they could garnish your wages, but you can't be sent to prison if you owe somebody money.
	The only way though that this is still actually a thing is through child support.
	And this disproportionately impacts men.
	I think 97% of child support payments go from men to women.
	If you have a kid, your bodily autonomy can be taken away if you don't pay child support.
	And then in addition to that, there's another component besides like prison time or jail for not paying child support.
	You also, they can essentially, in fear of potentially going to prison, you're basically can be forced to work when you otherwise wouldn't.
	And I would consider that under the purview of taking away somebody's bodily autonomy.
	If the court says go to work and work some job that you don't want to do, that would kind of be taking away your bodily autonomy.
	It's modern day slavery.
	It's a horrible thing.
	It's debt slavery, or yeah, I guess debt slavery back.
	I know, it's bad.
	I don't support it.
	But that's the current system.
	The business system is for profit.
	Sure, yeah.
	But like, I could not.
	People don't.
	I don't support that, and I don't support taking away a woman's right to get an abortion.
	So I'm on like both sides, and you're acting like I'm saying that like all men should have to do all that stuff while women should get all the freebies.
	I'm not saying that at all.
	Men shouldn't have to deal with that stuff, and women shouldn't have to deal with our stuff.
	Everyone should have the right to their own body.
	Do you think men should pay child support?
	I mean, it depends.
	If a mother decides to give up the child, then no.
	No, she chooses to keep it unilaterally.
	Let's say the man says, I don't want it.
	The woman says, I do want it.
	No, I don't think the man should have to pay child support.
	You do recognize, though, that under the current system, every single state, despite the man's wishes, say he doesn't want the child in each instance, the woman can force him through the state to pay child support.
	And if he doesn't, he ends up in jail eventually.
	And I don't think that's fair.
	If he didn't want to have a child, why did he inject?
	Well, no, that's not, that's not, because people get pregnant by accident.
	People get pregnant by accident all the time.
	Pull out.
	If he gets her pregnant and she says, actually, I want to keep it, and he says, no, I really don't want to keep it.
	I don't have the money for that.
	I don't have the time for that.
	I don't want to be a part of this anymore.
	I'm dumping you.
	And she decides to keep it on her own.
	She's responsible for that child.
	He should not have to pay child support.
	It's not the case, though.
	Tutu Tango.
	We can talk about what's happening.
	That's sad.
	Like, I don't know why.
	Like, do you want me to, like, become the president and change things?
	Like, that would be a difficult thing for me to do.
	All I can do is advocate for what I believe in.
	I mean, and I'm doing that right now.
	I don't think men should have to pay child support if they make it clear before the women gives birth, I do not want this child.
	If he doesn't know about the child, any of that, he should not be forced to pay child support.
	Well, I mean, I suppose I would extend an, maybe, I don't know if this is an olive branch to you, Maren.
	I don't know if you've seen how there's this article recently about how the Democrats aren't able to reach men.
	I don't know if you heard about that.
	They're struggling to capture male voters.
	The Democratic Party, are you a Democrat?
	I don't really.
	I'm kind of unlabeled.
	Well, did you vote for Kamala or Kamala?
	But like, I'm not against Republicans.
	I'm purely against Donald Trump.
	Okay, that's fair enough.
	I think that you're also pro-choice, right?
	Yes.
	Okay, you're in favor of abortion.
	You know what could actually be a compelling argument to get a bit more men to be pro-choice, but also to lean a bit more left or at least more Democrats.
	Men shouldn't have to pay child support.
	I think if you make the argument that attached to securing abortion rights for women, you were to say in instances where men didn't want to have children, they could do something called legal paternal surrender, where they say, I'm relinquishing all paternal rights to the child.
	And in so doing, I'm not financially or parentally obligated to the child in any way.
	Now, this would be sort of like...
	Then the government has to step in with child, like, will help with...
	Sure, I guess.
	Put stamps and all that.
	I guess.
	That means we're all paying for it.
	The taxpayers are paying for that baby.
	Sure.
	But I think, anyways, my position, if we're talking about what is, in any state where women do have abortion rights, I think men should have a corresponding right to not have any sort of parental responsibility, which includes child support.
	Yeah, one of my friends personally had a baby with a random girl, and he was, he went to court.
	He went to fine for this child.
	He wanted that child.
	He helped her.
	He has a child now.
	So there are men who want to take care of their kids, even good men out there that want to help out.
	No, but he's just saying, like, imagine you're a man and you get some.
	Well, he did it.
	But imagine it's actually part of him.
	Still his child.
	That's still his DNA.
	That's still a part of him.
	Why would you not want to take care of something that is you a part of?
	That's why women get abortions because they're not ready to have a child.
	They don't want to have the child.
	They don't feel physically or emotionally or financially ready to have a child.
	If a man doesn't feel that way and the woman wants to keep it, the man should be able to not have to take care of the child.
	Even if the woman wants him to or not, that's like trapping him.
	You should be considering all those things before even having sex, though.
	Yeah, but also I just don't think it's right to just have the men relinquish their rights so easily.
	What if the dad just wants to be a dad beat dad?
	He just simply wants to escape all the responsibility after impregnating the woman when the woman can have a choice to not let that dad into the life.
	When he chose to have sex with this woman, he should have considered there's a possibility of pregnancy.
	Well, but are you pro-choice or pro-life?
	I think I'm pro-choice.
	Okay, but hold on.
	But the thing you're going to have to contend with is people who are pro-life are going to make those same exact arguments towards women at the moment of conception.
	But the thing is there— But why— Okay, but so hold on.
	To be consistent, though, if you're saying, well, hold on.
	Like, let me frame it like this.
	The man, let's say the man doesn't want to have, he's not ready to be a father.
	He's not financially ready.
	Or here, let me change it.
	The woman is not financially ready to be a mother.
	Would you say that under those circumstances, it's okay for her to have an abortion?
	I mean, if she, I think this goes to the autonomy of a body.
	So it's women's choice whether they want to keep the child or not.
	But yeah, but I'm just asking about the reasons why.
	So you might even say whatever reason, maybe there's no reason.
	She just wants to get an abortion.
	You'd be fine with it, right?
	Yeah, I think it would be fine.
	But of course, maybe there's some internal discussion between the men and the woman.
	But, okay, so you would agree, though, that a woman who wanted to get an abortion for the following two reasons.
	She's not ready to be a mother and she's not financially ready.
	Yeah, that's very plausible.
	That's good reasons.
	Yes.
	Okay, but so then why are you saying if men make this similar argument, I'm not financially ready, I don't want to be a father, why do you then say, tough luck, you should have kept it in your pants, you shouldn't have done that.
	Why don't you apply that same that same like what I said, that men should be allowed to have an out, just like a woman does with an abortion?
	Well, it's interesting when it comes to women, like when it comes to men's responsibility, you guys are basically like Bronze Age pro-lifers.
	You should have kept it in your pants.
	You shouldn't have had sex.
	Not you, but that's the argument these two are making.
	They're saying, oh, well, you should have thought of that before you had sex.
	Why can't I use that argument for women who want to get abortions?
	But why is it also fair for women who want to keep the child?
	The women could also be financially unstable.
	And why is it her sole responsibility to raise a child?
	Because when you go through pregnancy, you develop this natural attachment to the children.
	So some women, they may feel like it's homicide to get an abortion.
	So I think the men, they could simply use it as an excuse, attributing it to their financial distress to not pay for child support.
	And I think this will create a lot of legal loopholes for guys to just not take on the responsibility they should.
	But I think, look, ultimately, I don't know if you're going to share this view.
	If from the pro-life perspective, they would consider this murder.
	If you're getting an abortion, they consider it murder, right?
	So why are women allowed to murder their children, but it's not okay for men to abandon their children?
	I mean, this is murder and abandonment are two different things.
	Like, murder.
	Of course, murder is taking away someone's life.
	When does life begin?
	Oh, my God.
	I mean, that depends on how it's defined medically.
	Life begins when you breathe.
	I guess when the heartbeat begins.
	Life begins when the heartbeat is detected.
	Okay.
	When's that?
	I mean, I have never gone through pregnancy.
	But I guess it depends on the trimester.
	You have to ask someone who has to do that.
	You think life begins when the baby's out?
	No.
	Once it's out.
	So you're fine with abortions up until birth?
	No.
	But I thought, but if it's not a life, why can't you abort the begin?
	Literally.
	I think it's at 12 weeks is when the cutoff is, but some states have lowered that to six weeks, which a lot of women don't even know they're pregnant at six weeks sometimes.
	Obviously, in all states, it's illegal to get rid of the baby after a certain amount of time because it's like a full-formed child.
	And I think that that is accurate.
	I think that should stay a rule.
	You know, if you're in your second, third trimester and you're trying to get rid of the child, that is murder.
	However, I also agree with you.
	Like, if a woman wants to keep it and the man says, I'm not ready, the man should be able to not be involved in the child's life and should not have to pay child support.
	But also, a woman should be able to get an abortion before a certain time if they feel the need to.
	But I guess I'm arguing the whole, like, they're pro-choice, but also men should still be responsible.
	That's where I'm going.
	I just think it's cruel on the woman to take all the child care responsibility after the child is born.
	Like, the men, they can probably just come up with excuses of not being financially able to take care of the child, but then they will still be able to afford like video games, like drinks at a bar.
	My issue with that statement is if a man went to the woman right when the baby was detected, right?
	Like when the woman could still get an abortion and express to the woman, I cannot be the father of this child.
	I don't want this child.
	I don't want to be involved.
	And the woman still decides to go through with it, she is taking on that responsibility.
	And it should not be put all on the man at that point.
	If the man says, I'll do it with you if you do it, and then takes that away when the child's like a year old, then it makes sense to like go to court and say, you need to help me because you said that you would.
	However, if he expresses in the beginning, I do not want this child, then it is then the woman's responsibility to take care of the child if she decides to have it.
	But I do think she should be able to decide to have it or not.
	Yeah, but also I think from a morality standpoint, it's just really sad to see a man giving up, willing to give up on his child, not willing to establish any sort of on a legal level.
	If you want women to have the right to have an abortion, you should also allow men to have the right to walk away.
	Pacey George, thank you.
	Pasty George donated $200.
	Thank you, man.
	I appreciate it.
	Male infant circumcision in North America is done without anesthesia, and a clamp tool is used to secure false kinetic.
	Yeah, that's horrible.
	It is done when the baby is awake and aware.
	It is based.
	It is a brutal and barbaric practice.
	And so it shouldn't exist anymore.
	I don't like go talk to your local government about that.
	I'm not the one.
	Moving off of abortion, Maren, again, you said you're a misandrist.
	Why?
	How?
	What is misandry?
	Can I not answer this again?
	I've answered this like seven times.
	Right?
	Can other people speak?
	No.
	But she needs to do a bathroom break here.
	Here, we're going to get into Lynn.
	You said that a man dating a transgender woman is straight.
	Why is that?
	Yeah, because I think transgender women psychologically believe they are women.
	So and their ID also identifies them as female.
	So of course it's not like homosexual for men to date a transgender woman.
	Wait, you said their ID says that they're they you think people do you think people can change their sex?
	Yeah, I think people who have gone through transgender surgeries they are able to change their gender on their identifications.
	Would you okay?
	So you I guess you can change.
	Well for the sake of argument, I'll just go ahead and grant that you can change your gender, but I don't think you can change your sex.
	But also sex is identify, but what's even the difference between like sex and gender?
	I thought they are interrelated.
	Well, I think so too.
	Yeah.
	But for the sake of argument, there's like gender identity and then there's sex.
	Yeah, so sex relates to your biology, your chromosomes.
	Yeah, so if they're transgender, that means they have gone through the procedures.
	So biologically.
	Not all transgender people have their stuff.
	Yeah, but I would say like in my answer, I referred most to people who have gone through the procedures.
	Hold on, continue.
	So you don't think XX chromosomes matter?
	I mean, the thing is, a man who has decided to go through the procedures, so that means psychologically a man before they go through the procedure, they are men.
	And then after the procedure, and even actually before they decided to take the procedure, they still probably psychologically identify themselves as women already.
	So that's why they decided to go through the procedure and to become a woman legally.
	So I feel like it would be an ordeal to make them still men after they have gone through all the procedures to change their identity to feel more alive for becoming like who they're more affiliated with.
	I still believe that, but I do believe if a man is attracted to a trans woman, I still think that's a little bit of a damage.
	You think that's homosexual?
	I think it has to do with if she passes, as in, like, I've been at a table with a trans woman who I 1,000% thought was a real woman.
	Like, she likes friends like that.
	Her work was so good, everything was so good.
	And there's straight women that with the BBLs and the surgeries look like trans women.
	Okay, so I'm not finished.
	So, if somebody, if a man finds a person identifying as a woman very attractive and wants to date them, I don't necessarily think that that makes the man gay until they get deeper into the conversation.
	And if he's turned on by the fact that she still has a dick between her legs and likes to put it and is so excited to put it in her butt, then yeah, it is kind of like you'd potentially rather be with a man, but you're happy because this man is feminine.
	And I think once they're fully transitioned through the surgery, then it goes back to if they really pass inspection and 100% look and feel like a woman, then the men who want to be aware of that.
	Wouldn't you say that they're attracted to femininity?
	Say that again?
	Wouldn't you rather say that they're attracted to the feminine?
	Yeah, I would agree with you.
	You said that they don't care if they see a penis.
	I didn't say that.
	I don't care.
	You said if they have a BBL and they get the fake.
	I'm saying there are heterosexual women who get surgeries and it actually makes them look more trans.
	So the American beauty standard of what women should look like or what America finds hot has transitioned into trans being attractive.
	Like the woman who was just sitting here had eyebrows that looked like a drag queen.
	Like she could have passed as trans.
	I'm sorry.
	It was fake hair, fake surgery, and her makeup was like a drag queen.
	So I think that there are trans people who have her as a feminine woman.
	You should have had that smoke for her when she was here.
	Nobody was talking to her.
	We were just talking about her.
	I think it really depends on the phase of the transition.
	Are we talking about that?
	Wait, question.
	So a guy sucking a woman's dick, is that women don't have dicks?
	Sucking dick is a dick.
	I'm referring to people who have a lot of people.
	Can trans women have penises?
	Yes.
	But that makes them gay.
	I'm agreeing with if a man is attracted to a penis, that means that he is a penny.
	Yeah, but also sometimes they're just attracted by the feminity.
	I know trans women and they tell me they guys love the fact that she has one.
	They look for them.
	All I'll say is this.
	It's going to be a hard time.
	I know a lot of trans women.
	If I see a guy sucking on a penis.
	Yeah, but I'm not talking about a woman who has not finished the transition.
	I'm talking about a woman who looks feminine, who dresses feminine, who feels like a penis.
	Probably not.
	So she's not pushing.
	Yeah, so probably that's the question should have been defined more narrowly.
	How do you define transgender?
	All right.
	Here, let me blast through these because I want to try to get this hopefully wrapped up on the sooner side.
	Really quick, if you guys can give me quick, rapid-fire answers.
	What would you want the minimum yearly income to be for your future husband?
	I don't care.
	Me a lot.
	Like, probably two, three million at least.
	A year?
	A year?
	Yeah.
	She's got high standards, I guess.
	Reach for the stars, girl.
	Every guy I'm seeing is Matsui Bugatti, so that's a good idea.
	Okay, just similar to my income.
	You said $220,000 plus?
	I told him that.
	Yeah, but it could go lower.
	I would just, I just don't like to, I just don't like any big discrepancy.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	There's a lot of variables it depends on for me.
	Bare minimum.
	Where do we live?
	Southern California.
	Okay, minimum $500,000 a year.
	$500,000 a year?
	What?
	I mean, I've made $150,000 a year and had nothing left over at the end of it.
	Yeah, it depends on assets.
	It depends what their other, like, somebody doesn't have to be high-income rich if they have all their assets paid off.
	And, like, I think there's a lot of variables that go into play.
	Well, you said you've been single for your entire adult life, basically, right?
	She's settling for Jake Chillenhall.
	She wants a guy who makes $500,000.
	Minimum.
	$500,000 a year.
	Sorry, I didn't want to settle for the losers.
	I've been proposed to three times.
	I've had people try to get me to do green card marriages for money.
	Wait, you got proposed.
	Money doesn't win me over.
	You said you haven't had a relationship your entire adult life.
	How did you get three proposals that were legitimate?
	Men fall in love with me.
	It doesn't mean they were my public boyfriend.
	It doesn't mean I ever introduced them to my family.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	Minimum yearly income.
	60K.
	60K.
	All right.
	She wants 500,000.
	Because I said I don't care.
	Obviously, just enough for them.
	Hey, she's talking.
	Be quiet, please.
	Go ahead.
	Just enough for them to live on their own, even if it's a shitty one-bedroom apartment, even if it's a studio.
	Just enough for them to live on their own.
	And then if I have an income, we can combine ours.
	That's it.
	How tall are you, and what's the minimum height of a man you would date?
	I'm six foot.
	I would date any man six foot or over because I don't want to date someone shorter than you.
	What are you guys that were 5'6 ⁇ ?
	I've dated.
	I'm 5'8.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	I'm 5'4, so probably 5'10.
	What about you?
	I like tall men, but I don't discriminate height.
	My boyfriend was 5'3.
	Okay, what about you?
	5'7 and 5'4.
	All right.
	Would you rather cross paths with a random man or a random bear on a hike?
	Um, usually men who hike are pretty nice, so probably I don't care.
	However, bears are also awesome to see, so I'd say bear.
	Okay, you did say bear in the questionnaire here.
	What about you?
	I did say bear.
	Bear.
	Man.
	Okay.
	I will freeze if I see a bear.
	What about you?
	Man.
	Man.
	Okay, and then for you two, why do you pick bear?
	Why don't you pick man?
	Well, first I said, like most men, I don't really hike alone, so I don't really care.
	But I know what to do if I see a bear.
	Brown, lay down, get on the ground.
	Black attack.
	White, say goodnight because you're about to die.
	So I think bears are cool.
	I've seen lots of bears in my hiking adventures and they never bother me.
	However, you know, on the off chance that a man is hiking that has bad intentions.
	I mean, usually the men who hike don't have bad intentions, so like I don't really care, but bears are awesome.
	So I pick bear.
	When do you think you would have a better chance against a man than a bear?
	I've never had a bear even like really look me in the eye.
	I've been like right next to them.
	They really don't want to bother you unless you like try to like attack it.
	They're also like 500 pounds and they have really sharp.
	Well, did you hear what I just said?
	Bears don't bother you unless you bother them.
	They don't bother you.
	So you know what?
	I never saw a bear attack before.
	Well, depends what that person is doing.
	I know I've seen bear attacks where they're like foaming the bear and trying to get close to the bear or trying to like touch a cub of the bear and a bear might attack.
	But in a normal basis, if you're on a hike and you see a bear, like you're probably definitely going to be fine.
	However, men could do other things.
	And you know, I'm not saying that every man on a hike is going to like shoot and kill me or kidnap me.
	However, why'd you pick bear?
	I could tame a bear.
	Okay.
	There's not a component of like men, you think men are more dangerous.
	There was a bear in Poland that was in war.
	Like they trained a bear to be a soldier.
	So like men are not trainable.
	Bears are trainable.
	I'm sorry.
	That is possibly the most retarded thing I've heard on this podcast.
	There was a bear in World War II.
	I realized that there's like been millions upon millions of male soldiers who.
	Yeah, but they trained a bear to be a soldier.
	So like, that's freaking cool.
	That was one bear, though.
	One bear versus half a million.
	Men are not.
	That's an odd question.
	She gave you an awesome answer.
	She said, men are not trainable.
	Dubious.
	Bears are trainable.
	Okay.
	I've seen things where I'd hike.
	I'm not trying to be mean, but like some of the things you say are a little ridiculous.
	And Maren, is there a thing, a component here, at least as to you picking the bear?
	Like, you're like, okay, well, a bear could kill me.
	A man could kill me.
	A man could also torture me, essay, this sort of thing.
	Well, that is true.
	But like I said, honestly, on a hike, I'm usually not worried about that, especially because I don't really hike alone.
	So I don't really care if it's a man or a bear.
	I would say hi to both.
	I guess I'm.
	But I'd rather see a bear because bears are cool.
	Can I ask you a question?
	Do you think, do you think if women pick bear over man, do you think they're sexist?
	No.
	You don't think it's sexist to pick a bear over man?
	You know, the whole question is like when I hear the question and I see women answering and saying like, definitely the bear, they're not talking and they're not thinking about a normal man that you cross on the street.
	Like if I saw you while hiking, I wouldn't sprint the other way and act dead and be scared.
	However, if you're asking, if would I rather come across a convicted felon rapist, sorry, sorry.
	Okay, go ahead.
	Essayist, scary man who's killed someone or something, or a bear, I'd pick the bear.
	And I think a lot of women who hear that question and answer bear are thinking about like, would I rather see a bear or an aggressive, scary man?
	Because obviously, not every man who hikes is going to be scary.
	However, would I rather see a scary, aggressive man on a hike or a bear?
	Definitely a bear.
	A random man, I mean, I would still pick bear because I like bears, but I wouldn't be scared of a random man on a hike.
	Okay, so, but again, the question is, though, is it sexist for women to pick bear over men?
	No.
	Let me ask you a question.
	Would it be racist to pick, let's say, I guess you'd be asking a white person this.
	Would you rather come across a bear or a black person?
	A bear.
	I like bears.
	You'd rather come across a bear than a black person?
	Is it a woman or a man?
	Hold on.
	When you said bear or man, I didn't automatically think of a white man.
	I just thought of any man.
	Right, but so I'm just asking: would okay, would you rather come across a bear or a black person?
	I, again, I don't care, but I like bears.
	I would like to see a bear.
	So bear.
	But like I said, I wouldn't see a black woman or man or whatever on the trail and run and scream and hide.
	I would be scared of the white man instead of a black man.
	Apparently, I'd be scared of the white bear, so I'd pick a black man over a white bear.
	Well over a white bear.
	Yeah, well, you're right.
	So you have to give a race to the bear if you're going to give a race to the guy.
	I guess, look, the reason I asked...
	Black, brown, or white bear.
	So my position would be, though.
	My position would be.
	We need to poop.
	If somebody picked bear over black person, I think that this would point towards racism.
	But I picked bear over white man, also.
	That would also point towards either sexism.
	But I said black person, not black man.
	Okay, well, what gender is the person?
	Are you scared of black people?
	Oh my God, are you actually?
	How did you come to that conclusion?
	That's in white.
	I'm not scared.
	No, I'm not scared of black people.
	It's a hypothetical.
	What I'm trying to say is.
	Would I be an Asian man?
	Would I be scared of an Asian man?
	Why Spanish?
	No, but what?
	That's a weird analogy.
	Well, then you would have to say that.
	I grew up in a hood.
	I'm not scared of nobody.
	No one, you know, no one's trying to hurt you.
	Okay, what I'm trying to point to is that there seems to be some level of acceptance of women picking bear over man.
	But I think if it was the case, that we change the question like I just did to say, well, would you pick a black person over a bear?
	And if people started picking the bear over black people, they'd probably point to this being racist.
	And so I then think if that is racist, if that is racist, then surely it must be sexist to pick bear over man.
	Okay, what I just said, though, like in my opinion.
	Well, yeah, you want to hang out with a bear.
	No, But in my opinion, when you ask women man or bear, they're not thinking about a normal man on the side of the street.
	They're thinking about the worst case scenario of a man that could hurt them.
	Okay, sure.
	But like the worst case scenario of a bear could hurt you.
	But the vast majority of men, they're not violent.
	They would never do so.
	They would never like victimize you in any way.
	However, if you're asking man or bear and you're thinking bear is scary and could kill me, but if you want to point towards a man, a man could also kill me.
	And if I would rather run across a bear than a murderous, scary, kidnapper man.
	However, I know that a normal man hiking isn't out to get me.
	And I think a lot of women also know that.
	It's just the way the questions phrase make them want to pick bear because they're thinking of the worst type of man.
	Got it.
	Okay, moving things on.
	Don't want to linger too long just so we can get things moving.
	You do say here, Marin, women can't be sexist towards men.
	Or you agree with the statement, rather.
	You agree with the statement that women can't be sexist towards men.
	I view that as the same statement of white people, white people, or black people can't be racist towards white people systematically.
	I mean, it's almost impossible because of the way that the system has been set up.
	So you think racism has to include a component of like systemic power?
	Well, systemically, it's like a lot.
	It's not really, it doesn't really happen.
	I mean, I'm sure it happens a tiny mix.
	It's like low IQ.
	What?
	Being racist is low IQ.
	No, I'm just saying, like, I don't think systemically, black people can be racist towards white people.
	I don't think systemically women can be sexist towards men because men have the power and men make the decisions right now.
	So even if a woman on the street is sexist towards a man a little bit, like it can happen on a tiny level, but systemically, like, no.
	Can men experience systemic sexism?
	It would take a lot.
	It would take a lot.
	I mean, I don't see it happening.
	Men get sexist all the time.
	We already discussed this.
	It just even goes back to circumcision.
	It goes back to forced military conscription.
	It goes back to disproportionality.
	Men made all those things.
	Is it sexist if a man did it to another person?
	Can you speak into the mic, please?
	Come on.
	I would say the government.
	So the government is a men does not equal government.
	Men are not the government.
	The government is a separate entity from men.
	You would agree that there are women in the government.
	Who wrote the book?
	Who matters?
	Whose signatures are on the independence?
	Are there any women on that?
	Tell me, how would that matter?
	Tell me which men are responsible.
	First off, men are not a hive mind.
	We were left out of the podcast.
	Explain how I'm benefiting from the system as a man.
	By existing.
	You get so much privilege.
	What privilege do I have?
	Being here.
	What do you have?
	Having to stay here.
	You're here too.
	Women can have the podcast too.
	Women have podcasts.
	As a white man.
	What does race have to do with that?
	Black men have podcasts too.
	And they're really good at it.
	In fact, the most popular live streamers in the Kai Sonat, I show speed to very young black men.
	You had the privilege to drop out of college, and that is a privilege.
	How is that a privilege to do?
	Because it meant you saw a life plan for yourself that didn't involve needing an education or needing any kind of certification or doctor.
	How would dropping out of college be evidence of privilege?
	Because it means you could afford to drop out.
	Do you think, wait, wait, wait.
	So when men drop out of high school, is that privilege?
	High school and college are two totally different things.
	You're saying both education.
	Flunking out and dropping out are two different things.
	How would it be privilege to drop out of high school?
	It's almost like a sense of entitlement saying, you know what, this was fun, but I don't need the education.
	I'm going to go do my own thing over here and figure out how to work the system in my favor.
	And maybe it was your parents that helped you out.
	Maybe it was a lot of fun.
	You're making a lot of assumptions.
	Right, this whole thing is an assumption.
	This entire thing, we're assuming, we're theorizing.
	No, I'm talking about, no, not really.
	You are.
	You're making an assumption about my lived life experience.
	You're asking what your privilege is.
	And basically, you've told us very little about yourself.
	Okay.
	One thing you said was you dropped out of college.
	Why did you not feel the need to finish?
	What if it was the case?
	And so with the statistics.
	Do you want an answer?
	Sure, go ahead.
	Yeah.
	What if it was the case that because of my gender, I was struggling in college, and that's why I dropped out.
	I don't believe you.
	Oh, shit.
	But that's your experience.
	Well, just to be clear, that's not actually the case.
	But what if it was the case?
	How would that be privilege if I dropped out?
	Or what if I dropped out?
	Because you didn't feel like people were being nice to you.
	What if I try being other people?
	I'm saying, I mean, like, there's a number of situations where people are not going to be nice to you.
	It doesn't mean you give up.
	It doesn't mean you check out.
	I don't need this anymore.
	With Marin, who's at least attempting to make logical arguments, I'm sorry.
	I just cannot make, like, I can't argue.
	Why did you drop out of college?
	I'm curious.
	Because of my male privilege.
	That's why I dropped out.
	You already said that's not the case.
	Because I dropped out because of my male privilege.
	That's why.
	I'm sorry.
	I'm just not going to entertain this argument with you because it doesn't make it incomprehensible.
	So there's a cheat sheet of what your answers are, and we're all supposed to go around and guess or explain to you what your privilege is as a white man in this country.
	But the first thing somebody says, you're saying, no, that's not true.
	It's our observation.
	Let me ask you this.
	What would be, I guess, more of a privilege, having completed college or having dropped out of college?
	I think both are a privilege.
	What would be, what would have better life outcomes for the average person, dropping out of college or completing college?
	Honestly, I think dropping out because being the higher education system in America, which like I have not paid back my student loans, my college got shut down by a for-profit corporation who deemed it unprofitable and it had a 70-year reputation as the best art school in the country.
	So tell like logic doesn't always play in.
	Greed, and it's men have the ability to do more.
	Okay, I'll stop.
	Sorry, I'm just, I mean, you're clearly irritated, so I'm just not hearing an argument.
	The points to irritate us, not to irritate you, right?
	I just don't know.
	I personally think it's situational whether you want to stay in college or drop out of college.
	Because if you really don't think you're the studying material and you can choose to become like a blue-collar worker, because in real life, yeah, I'm just saying, like, not talking about Brian specifically, but yeah, some plumbers and handymen do make more money.
	But of course, if you want to go on to like more complex professions, like more money, yeah, that you need to cook so many words.
	So it depends on your personal choice.
	Like, guys, what are we talking about right now?
	The keyword is privilege.
	How is it a privilege to drop out of college?
	Because I don't think this is for any gender.
	Felicity's right.
	It's kind of incoherent.
	So I'm just going to move it on.
	But it's not related to gender.
	Really quick, going back to this.
	You said people of color can't be racist towards white people.
	Women can't be sexist towards men.
	Are you talking systemically, or would you agree on an individual level, a black person could be racist towards a white person?
	On an individual level, that can happen systemically.
	Not really.
	Not really.
	Let me ask you a question.
	If Barack Obama, when he was president, refused to hire a white janitor, would that be systemically not just a singular janitor, but all the janitors that worked for the White House?
	Would that be racist?
	I don't think so, no.
	So just to be clear, at the time, he was the most powerful man in the United States, the most powerful man in the world.
	He was the leader and the boss and the president of the executive branch of the United States government, the executive branch of the United States government being a system.
	So how would it not be systemically sexist if Barack Obama had like a policy to not hire white janitors?
	If he made that a policy for the entire U.S. and so for the ones allowed to hire white janitors.
	All federal institutions could not hire white janitors.
	Then yeah, that would be, I guess, racist.
	Systemically racist.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Except for that didn't happen and that hasn't been.
	I know it's a hypothetical.
	I'm just testing the logic here.
	Women can't be sexist towards men.
	I assume it would be the same thing.
	Like if Kamala Harris, she won the presidency and she refused to hire male janitors, you would have to agree that systemically that this would be sexist towards men?
	I guess for both, honestly, it depends on.
	I mean, if she said no one in the whole U.S. is allowed to hire male janitors or whatever, then yeah, that would be wrong.
	However, if she made the executive decision for just the White House only to hire women, if she said like, that's just my choice, then no.
	If she said it's because I hate men, then that would be sexist.
	Sure.
	Moving on, you said women, or you agree with the statement, women are the primary victims of war, not men.
	Although it seems like you did like kind of a squiggly line.
	So maybe.
	Yeah, I said I don't really know.
	I know a lot of women and children suffer at the hands of war.
	Are they the primary victims, though?
	I think everyone's a victim.
	No, I agree with you that men and women do suffer in war and they are victims in war.
	I don't know if they're the primary victims.
	I put a squiggle there because I don't know how to answer that question.
	So maybe move on.
	Well, I'll just ask one clarifying question, but I don't intend to linger too long on this question.
	Knowing that men are just are almost the majority of all both historical and modern casualties of war, so deaths, injuries, etc.
	The ones fighting because they're the ones fighting in the war.
	You would have told men the primary victims.
	If they're the ones fighting.
	Can you tilt your mic down a bit, but go ahead.
	If they're the ones fighting, can you call them a victim?
	Or can you, I mean, if they were drafted against their will, then that's victimization.
	But if they chose to be there and they die in the battlefield or whatever, but they chose to be there, then they put themselves in that position.
	Whereas the women and children who weren't, who didn't, like even the women who chose to go to war, like they are not a victim because they chose to do that.
	But the people, like even the men who didn't get drafted or the men who didn't go to war, the people, the normal civilization of that place are the, I would say, are the primary victims of war because the soldiers, the people that are fighting, like, I mean, if they signed up to be there, they knew what they were getting themselves into.
	That's different from the people who got drafted.
	They can still be considered victims.
	However, you can think differently.
	That's just my opinion.
	I would agree.
	So here's where I would agree.
	I would say that if you're volunteering to be a soldier, you are assuming some level of risk, right?
	There's an assumption of risk.
	However, you know, if you ultimately end up suffering and dying in said war, which you are voluntarily taking on said risk, I still think you're a victim.
	And, but that you'd also have to consider that oftentimes in war, there are men who are forced through conscription.
	That's what I just said.
	Like, those people are still victims.
	But those people who are conscripted are exclusively men.
	So even if I were to grant that, okay, well, of the volunteer force, these people aren't victims.
	There are men who are drafted, women are not, then you would still have to say, well, at least of the men who are drafted, and it's just men almost always, those men are the primary victims of war.
	What do you mean by, what do you mean by primary, though?
	The first, like the most victimized.
	I don't know.
	I mean, it depends on the other country's war tactics.
	Okay, let me ask you this.
	I'll give you, I guess, a.
	It depends.
	Are they attacking the soldiers or are they bombing cities and towns?
	You know?
	How about this?
	Pregnancy.
	When women are pregnant, you would agree that they go through, there's some deal of suffering, like it's uncomfortable, there's pain, there's morning sickness.
	There is some degree of suffering as it relates to pregnancy, especially the actual giving birth component where there's physical pain, labor.
	It is a painful experience for women.
	Yeah.
	You would agree that as it relates to the suffering that women experience during pregnancy and giving birth, they are the primary sufferers of that pain, right?
	Like, for example, if I'm with my wife and she's giving birth and she's holding my hand and she squeezes it really hard while she's pushing out the baby, that hurt my hand really bad.
	But I would never say that, well, even though I also felt pain when she was giving birth, I would never argue that I'm the primary, I don't know, victimism.
	I was about to say I don't know.
	I'm the primary sufferer.
	I wouldn't categorize it as victimhood, but the degree of suffering, I would never say that I'm suffering more.
	And it's also, man, it's hard to see your wife, you know, in physical pain and dealing with the pains and discomforts of pregnancy.
	But I would never say that I am the primary sufferer of pregnancy.
	I would say she's the primary sufferer of pregnancy.
	Okay.
	So when it comes to warfare, there's wives, daughters, mothers, they lose their sons, they're going to suffer.
	Then there's civilians who also are going to suffer.
	But the sheer number, as it relates to military casualties, most casualties are related.
	There are civilian deaths often in conflict, but the majority of casualties relate to the soldiers, which are predominantly men.
	If that war that you're referencing, if a war specifically only causes mass casualties to the soldiers and not to the people who live in that country, then yeah, men are the victims in that sense.
	Primary victims.
	Okay.
	But if the war affects, like in Gaza right now, the war affected that entire country, I would say everyone's a victim, not just women, not just men.
	I'm not saying that there was a primary victim.
	Everyone there has been victimized.
	Ukraine also, I would say almost everyone has been victimized.
	I know that they're...
	Who's victimized more?
	The men or the women.
	That's hard.
	I'm not fully versed on that, but I guess I don't really know.
	Are they all drafted in Ukraine?
	Just the men are drafted.
	And they are being drafted.
	They literally abduct men on the street.
	They abduct the men.
	Then I would say the men in that situation right now are being primarily victimized to be forced to commit war violence.
	Final thing on this, then we're moving on to the next topic.
	And I would just point out, at least as it relates to Ukraine, so all the men, and there was a law that was passed between the ages of 18 and 65.
	Somebody might be like, no, it was 60, Brian.
	Between the ages of 18 to 60 or 65, by law, martial law, were forced to remain in the country.
	Women, on the other hand, could flee.
	So, you know.
	That is wrong.
	I think that's wrong.
	But it is the case.
	Okay.
	Oftentimes in war, women are able to escape.
	They're able to flee the country.
	In Ukraine's case, men are dying in trenches, getting PTSD, dying by the thousands, tens of thousands.
	And women, there's a lot of Ukrainian women who are clubbing in Stockholm.
	They're clubbing in the UK.
	They're clubbing in Spain.
	They're clubbing in France.
	They're clubbing in Poland.
	They're clubbing.
	They're in Miami.
	We had a Ukrainian woman on the show a while ago.
	She escaped the war.
	She left, and she's fucking dudes in the club in Miami.
	Okay, if we're talking about Ukrainian war, men are the primary victims.
	Yeah, there you go.
	It's just interesting.
	We were talking about privilege earlier.
	Like, we were talking about privilege earlier.
	It's just interesting.
	Like, there's all these conversations of historical men were more privileged, blah, blah, blah.
	I don't know.
	The only issue with that argument, like, I understand that it's very, it's so horrible that men have to be drafted like that.
	However, men did create that specific system.
	So it doesn't matter if it's not a problem.
	But it does majority of men are not a part of the government and have no more say in governments, excuse me, governance than women.
	Okay.
	And what if men made women drafted?
	By the way, I don't think anyone should get drafted.
	Why are you acting like I'm pro-draft?
	I, as a man, have no more say in how military conscription, selective service is run than does any woman.
	I have no, I have no women are the majority of voters.
	Okay.
	So I could just say women continue to uphold the status quo because women are the majority of voters in this country.
	I did just say it, and it's true.
	It's true.
	There are more women who vote than men.
	So talk to the men.
	Tell them to vote.
	Okay.
	They could get up and vote and vote for you people too.
	We have a chat here from Pacy George.
	Paisty George donated $200.
	Chair for WTFR, you talking about if Brian had white privilege, he would have been in a prestigious private school and had a high-paying position in a company or firm after graduation.
	He didn't actually say white privilege.
	He was just asking what privileges as a man does he have.
	And I'm entitled to believe what I want.
	I think that it's a privilege to have your parents help.
	It's a privilege to not go hungry.
	It's like a privilege to have nice designer clothes.
	Like it's a privilege to be American.
	So you were born in America.
	It's a privilege.
	Did I get the same one?
	Yes.
	Right, I agree.
	Well, I believe that when it comes to privilege, you have to look at the individual.
	As in, who wasted money on you going to college?
	Was it you or your parents?
	Or did you get a scholarship?
	I mean, I went to the city college, so it was like a couple of small investment, not a big loss.
	Yeah, and I'm pretty sure I was working at the time.
	So I think my parents helped out with some of it, but I paid for like textbooks and some of the term.
	There you go, privilege.
	Congratulations.
	How is that?
	People don't have parents to pay for stuff.
	Do you not understand?
	People are poor.
	Okay, but you guys are trying to do this application.
	Brian, you're a white man and you have all this privilege.
	There's a lot of people who asked us.
	But I believe in looking at privilege as the totality of somebody's circumstances.
	And we don't know the totality of your circumstances.
	Well, yes, I would agree.
	Sure.
	I would agree if your parents are doing well and they can assist you with college.
	Sure, that's a privilege.
	Having both parents.
	All of us currently living or, well, all of us currently being in Santa Barbara, the highest cost living of city in the United States.
	Okay, be quiet.
	Don't, okay, don't.
	Okay, hold on.
	Yeah, we're in Santa Barbara County.
	Being, God damn, why?
	What?
	Holy irrelevant shit that's made it fucking impossible to keep a train of fucking thought.
	Okay, so us being here.
	Oh my God, bro.
	Or we can just move on to the next topic.
	Yeah, I'm just, oh my God, bro.
	Us being in California makes us all really privileged.
	Very true.
	Yes.
	Correct.
	Like, we, everybody here.
	Everybody here, we're probably like one percenters, global one percenters.
	Having the time to even be here, being able to have this conversation, that's a privilege.
	Yeah, but y'all, y'all want to make it like, oh, men, you have like orders of magnitude and leaps and bounds greater privilege than women.
	Or what?
	Like, that's just absurd on its face.
	We're not saying we don't have privilege.
	I didn't hear any of us say that today.
	Well, I mean, going to the next thing, men are more privileged in society than women, to which Maren, you agree.
	Natalia, you agree.
	Lynn, you agree.
	Kaylin, you didn't agree with that, but explain to me, let's start with Lynn.
	How are men more privileged in society than women?
	Did I circle that answer?
	You did.
	But maybe you accidentally circled it?
	I would say it really depends on which aspect.
	But like I said, okay, I think what I was thinking is for a woman that is very ambitious and career-driven, unfortunately they have to make these trade-offs in their career when it comes to child care and responsibilities and pregnancy.
	For example, I personally consider myself very motivated, but I know that at one point in my life, I would need to prioritize my family.
	So that means I will have to put my career on hold.
	But men don't necessarily have this problem because they are the main like bread earners.
	So I think in this way, men are more privileged than women.
	Because, wait, can you just repeat that back?
	Yeah.
	So what I was thinking is mainly focused on the career perspective.
	So, for women who are very motivated and career-driven, they have to give up on their promotion opportunities and further advancement opportunities because later on they will need to take on the child care and responsibilities.
	And instead, the men, they normally take on like less responsibility, household responsibilities.
	So, they don't really have this concern of having a family will really hurt their career prospect.
	So, for example, myself, I don't have a child right now, but that's definitely on my agenda for the future.
	So, even though now I'm feeling very motivated, I want to do well in my career, but I know at one point I would need to make this trade-off.
	So, I think from this perspective, I think it makes the men like more privileged because they have the freedom to kind of like choose what they want.
	Well, my simple counter argument to this would be: you mentioned choice, men having choice.
	I actually don't think it's the case that men have more choice as it relates to this and this is how.
	As women, you can find a guy who's willing to fully provide for you, and you can have the choice to stay at home and take care of the kids, granted that you find a man who's capable of doing that.
	The vast majority of men don't have this sort of benefit or privilege to be able to go out into the dating marketplace and be like, I want to be, I want to be a stay-at-home dad.
	Most women are not going to be okay with that sort of dynamic.
	You yourself would not be okay with that sort of dynamic, but I'm sure you could find a guy who would be willing to say he's a high-earner.
	You could probably find you're an attractive woman, you seem well put together.
	I don't doubt that you'd be able to find a man who is a high-income earner who would marry you and say, You don't have to work if you don't want to.
	You can stay home and take care of the kids.
	I think that's a greater privilege than men who are the vast majority of men are when it comes to relationships, will be forced to be providers in some capacity.
	But financial security is not the only thing I'm looking for in a relationship because there are so many other factors that are more important.
	But what I'm saying is a woman, like, okay, maybe some men can afford a cergus, but this is like probably less than 10%.
	And most women, I cannot speak for every single woman, but I would say many women would want to experience like bearing your own child, myself included.
	I think that's fine.
	Yeah, but the thing is, like nine-month pregnancy, you're going through these symptoms of feeling like nauseous in the morning, like stomach pain and whatever that comes with pregnancy.
	So, of course, like you have to make the trade-off, you have to make a difficult decision between your career, your personal development, and your family.
	So, are you saying that?
	Oh, go ahead.
	Are you saying that kids are a burden then?
	I'm not saying kids are picking your career.
	I never said kids are a burden, but I'm just saying, like, it's worth it to choose children and family than your career.
	But unfortunately, this is a reality that if you're a career-driven woman, if you're motivated, you have to make a face the difficult decision.
	You want to weigh in: okay, do you prefer keeping pursuing your career or do you prefer having a stable family with children?
	I mean, as a woman, nothing obligates you to having children.
	If you prioritize your career, you can go ahead and not get married, not have kids, and just focus on your career.
	So, if you want to do career, fine.
	Yeah, but then the thing is, that's also a personal choice.
	As a woman, I would still, because me personally, I think I'm very family-oriented.
	I think I would not prioritize my career over the possibility of not having children for the rest of my life when I'm with the right person.
	But I do think women have more options in this regard.
	You can have a career.
	I agree that there could be some detriments, like you get pregnant, that might have an impact on your career.
	But are you going to say once you have children, you're just, you won't be able to be a lawyer?
	No, I watched it.
	There's plenty of female attorneys who have children.
	And while it might be a bit of a setback in the same way, if you had like a catastrophic injury and you had to take time off of work, that would be a setback to your career too.
	Both men and women could be subject to that.
	You can still, even if you do choose to have kids, I'm sure you can continue being a lawyer if that's what you want to do.
	I agree, you'll have to take time off and that could have negative consequences, but I don't think you're going to be like, okay, I'm a lawyer, but I want to have kids.
	If I have kids, I'm going to be destitute in the street and broke and homeless.
	I don't think that that's going to be a good idea.
	I think that's not never my point.
	I think that's way too extreme.
	But what I'm saying, and also I'm not saying that I'm going to take a huge step back in my career, but the thing is, pregnancy, of course, after pregnancy, you still have the child care responsibility because you're responsible for this child, not just the first year, but probably the first like 15 and 18 years.
	So you want to make sure that this kid grows up in like a healthy environment.
	So who's going to pay attention to this kid?
	Of course, the mom probably will likely pay more attention.
	So just relating, I can just relate an example from my coworker.
	Before she had her first kid, she was telling me, I'm going to focus really hard on getting promoted.
	I'm going to get all the bonuses.
	And her mentality just changed after she had her first child.
	She's like, I just miss my child so much.
	All I want to do is just to go home from right after my office.
	My office business hours are over.
	What was the question?
	We were talking about, let's see.
	Oh, men are more privileged in society than women.
	And she was saying that.
	How are men more privileged in society than women, Natalia?
	I don't want to comment.
	Maren, want to give a comment?
	I would just say because a mass majority of the system, the government, different companies are ruled by men.
	Men just automatically have a little bit more privilege.
	However, in today's world, it's getting better.
	And that's all I'll say.
	Pasty George.
	Pasty George donated $200.
	there are two jumps in and rants about topics that have nothing to do with the subject being discussed it's like watching an old person with dementia rant crazily we understand your frustration brian lol oh pasty Thank you for that, man.
	Appreciate it.
	Appreciate it.
	We're not going to be able to do everything on this questionnaire, so I'll pick like maybe two or three more, then we'll get this wrapped up.
	Guys, I'm going to lower the TTS to $69, $69 TTS if you want to get a roast in $69 TTS.
	A woman's past should not matter.
	Marin, you agree with that statement.
	Natalia, you agree.
	Lynn, you agree.
	Kaylin, you agree.
	Typically, this is in the context of body count.
	Why should a woman's past not matter as it relates to dating?
	Because why would it matter?
	We live in a present.
	Yeah, a woman's past doesn't define who you are right now.
	Just like a man's doesn't.
	Okay.
	You agree?
	Do you agree with that?
	I agree.
	Okay, let me ask.
	I want to start with Lynn here, then I'll ask the rest of you this.
	Would you date a guy who previously had sex with men?
	Maybe it would make me uncomfortable, but I don't think that's a deal breaker.
	But it would make you uncomfortable.
	Yeah.
	Right?
	Is he being forthcoming with the information?
	Like, is he upfront in the date being like I used to be with men?
	I sure, I guess.
	I just want to make sure he doesn't go with other men after dating me while dating me.
	Well, let's say he's bisexual.
	I personally genuinely would not care at all.
	Okay, that's fine.
	Yeah, I don't care.
	You said it makes you uncomfortable.
	Yeah, but the thing is, as long as it's forthcoming, and also, as long, like I said, as long as he's loyal and he just doesn't go sleep with another man while dating me, otherwise, that would be a big issue.
	Okay, but so to be clear, you would be okay dating a man who's bisexual.
	Yeah, let me ask you this.
	Would you be okay dating a man who a week prior had receptive anal sex?
	Would that be a problem?
	Yeah, so he told you last week, it was just a fling, but now I'm, and he's going to be loyal, right?
	He said, I was effed in the in the butt by a dude, doggy style.
	You wouldn't be like, hold on.
	He knows what he's saying.
	Hold on, what the fuck?
	I will probably give him like a big LOL, but uh, but like, why does it matter?
	Yeah, what happened is I would ask him about the size and try to provide a strap.
	Brian question: Would it be different if he was saying he liked to put toys up his butt?
	Well, that's up to you.
	That's a good question.
	Well, as in, does it make him gay if he likes toys in his butt?
	I'm not sure.
	I don't think that would technically make him gay because, like, a man could engage only in heterosexual sex, but I suppose enjoy anal play, I guess.
	Right.
	But that, how does that pertain?
	She's just asking how what makes you all over the place.
	And then, if a guy's too embarrassed to go into a sex store, but meets a guy at the gym that wants to fuck him in the sauna, he might want to see what it feels like.
	And I don't think that that makes me gay ever.
	You know what I mean?
	Watch!
	You guys not know about the saunas down the saunas at men's gyms because guys are fucking in the saunas all the time.
	And there are straight men fucking in those saunas all the time just because it's there.
	Don't drop the soap.
	Oh, in prison, yes.
	That's crazy.
	Not in prison, babe.
	In America, in here, in Equinox, in New York City.
	In Equinox, in West Hollywood.
	Fucking in the Equinox.
	Shut down the sauna crunch gym on sunset.
	What about soul cycle?
	That's the part of me.
	I've never been.
	If a man had a body count of 100, would that matter to you guys?
	If a man had a body count of 100, yes.
	Would that matter to you?
	I would be like, that's very low, honey.
	You should step up.
	What about?
	Yeah, I wouldn't care.
	Better than being sexually inexperienced.
	Honestly, man or woman, I think 100 is a bit high, but go you.
	I don't know if I'd care as long as he's all checked out.
	I don't think we're ever incoming or honest with the information.
	So I don't think we ever have an accurate understanding of how many people someone has slept with before we sleep with them.
	Yeah, but also, like, who really discusses a body count?
	I would think that's what I'm saying.
	I wouldn't say.
	Yeah.
	First question on the date.
	What's your body count?
	Your first question on the date?
	Well, actually, my first question is if they have, I only date women with large ladies.
	So like an Audi.
	Like an Audi.
	How do you know if she has a big.
	That's the first question he asks on a date.
	First question, are you circumcised or not?
	That's my point.
	What's your body count?
	How big is your labia?
	And you know what?
	If you meet a girl who wants to answer both those questions, then like I think you're meant to be.
	How long do you want a woman to hold out with sex before she sleeps with you?
	Like how many dates will you take a woman on and pay for them before you expect her to put out?
	He's like, half.
	Yeah.
	He's like, please embathu.
	Kidding.
	I mean, I don't have any qualms with like sleeping with somebody relatively quickly.
	So it could be first, second, third date.
	Most of my relationships, it was relatively quickly.
	So you're easy.
	But you want a woman with a low body count.
	I don't see how these two are necessarily contradictory.
	You buy a woman dinner a couple times.
	You would agree.
	Wait, can I ask?
	One sec.
	You would agree with me, though, that a woman who slept with a thousand men could meet me and be like, 100 or 1,000.
	What?
	Bro, can you not interrupt?
	Like, you interrupt with the most, like, at least if you're going to interrupt, like, make a good fucking point.
	Make a fucking point.
	With 100 women, incoherent men.
	Fucking rambling.
	It's totally incoherent.
	Has nothing to do with the point I'm about to make.
	Oh, my God.
	So you would agree that a woman who slept with a thousand men and slept with them instantly, she could meet me and be like, I want to wait until marriage, right?
	And you would agree that I could meet a virgin and she could want to sleep with me immediately.
	Like it's logically possible.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	So I don't, what is your argument then?
	I asked you a question.
	That doesn't really.
	Okay, what's your question?
	You answered it.
	You said a couple times you like when women sleep with you relatively quickly.
	There's probably a re-is there not a correlation then between why you don't have a ring on your finger?
	Like, do you think you need to get to know somebody a little bit better before you ask about their labia size?
	I would be so offended if I went on a first date and the first question was, what's your body size?
	You seem like you would probably be a size queen.
	Like you care about the guy's penis size, right?
	Like would there be, let me, if he's not packing, you're going to have a second date with him.
	I'm not going to ask about it till I'm like ready to get intimate with somebody.
	Like I'm not going to sit at a table and be like, do you have a big dick?
	Okay.
	You'll fuck him.
	And then if he doesn't have a big dick, you'll never talk to him again.
	Your solution to the problem sounds way.
	You misunderstood me.
	Wait, can I ask a question?
	Go ahead.
	What, like, what's a body count that you would say is too high for a woman that you're dating?
	Like, if a woman said, my body count is XYZ, like, what's a number that's like, you're like, that's pushing it?
	Sure.
	I suppose it would depend on her age.
	Like, if she's a bit, if she's a younger woman.
	She's 25.
	She's 25 versus if she's like 35, there might be like leeway if she's a bit older.
	Okay, 25 to 35.
	What's like the out?
	Yeah, I'd say, so I'd say, well, okay, the ideal is the lowest possible in terms of, but you're asking like, what's high?
	Just like if you asked a woman on a date, what's your body count?
	What's like the highest you would allow her to go before you'd say, I can't fuck with you anymore?
	Can't.
	I mean, again, I have a strong preference for the lowest body count possible, but like probably the chat's going to disagree with me, but like over 20.
	Over 20, I'm starting to think.
	That's a respectable number.
	Yeah.
	But like, again, like, I'd prefer it to be under 10.
	Wouldn't everyone?
	Wouldn't everybody.
	Not at all.
	We have Pasty George here with his TTS.
	$60.
	Shares one, two, three, and four.
	Oh, all disgusting, degenerate feminists.
	Wow.
	It's because women like you are allowed to vote, but everything is so messed up nowadays.
	The future is cooked.
	Guys, $69 TTS.
	Yeah, $69 TTS.
	Pasty George, the reason that we're cooked is because you've spent like over $1,000 just trying to get his attention by sending weird meaning.
	He's criticizing your guys' worldview.
	And he's made some good points.
	Doesn't affect us personally.
	I respect his opinion.
	Lynn has based at the beginning.
	At least I know he's not the person.
	I'm never going to go on names.
	Okay.
	Wait, where were we?
	Oh, a woman's passion.
	Okay.
	Should body count matter?
	No.
	No.
	No, no.
	Not really.
	What's your body count?
	I don't have infinity.
	Give us a range.
	Well, you're in the industry.
	I'm over a thousand for sure.
	You're in the industry, right?
	Yeah.
	I had like 20 in a night.
	I used to do gangbang parties back in the day.
	I had a guy fucking up.
	Let's do something.
	Oh, my God.
	Okay.
	That's a lot of.
	I mean, I guess I was about to say that's a lot of information to give online, but you do it online anyway.
	So good for you.
	I'm not going to gangbang on my real slit.
	So you want to give a range of the body count?
	Like, you think.
	You said over a thousand.
	Yeah, around there, yeah.
	I stopped counting in high school.
	I don't know.
	When did you what number did you stop counting?
	Hold on.
	Wait, you stopped.
	You stopped counting in high school?
	What number?
	Kyle Neek stopped.
	Wait, wait, wait.
	What number did you stop counting at?
	Oh, my God.
	I don't know, like five?
	I don't find, like, I don't find another.
	What was your body count by the end of high school?
	Like eight.
	And then you stopped counting in high school too?
	What was the body count at the end of high school?
	She only had sex one.
	I don't even know.
	Probably around 10.
	10?
	But I mean, my question is, the reason I stopped counting is because do you only count the guys you want to remember?
	Do you count the SAs?
	Do you count?
	No, you don't count counting.
	You don't count country.
	If those people don't count in your body count, then you're allowed to remove the assholes or not give people that information to remember.
	You count the consensual.
	Like, I'll go monster.
	I don't care if the guy was a dick.
	You count.
	I have no issues with it.
	I don't need to have sex all the time.
	But when I meet somebody that I might want to have sex with, go for it.
	I don't need to keep a notebook and tally everybody's freaking numbers.
	That's my range, body count.
	What do you think your body count is?
	I would definitely say over 100.
	Over 200, maybe?
	I don't know.
	I stopped counting.
	But you think it might be?
	No, I've had less sex between 25 and 35 than I have between 15 and 25.
	Good times.
	There's been a lot more.
	Body count?
	I think it's reasonable.
	I mean, within your range.
	I mean, because I was in a long-term relationship, so I was completely loyal.
	What is it?
	I think I have the right to not disclose a number, but I'm saying, like, Brian would think I'm fine to date based on his standard.
	That's a good answer.
	19.
	Whatever you think.
	Okay.
	So that's Lynn's answer.
	What about you, Maren?
	I'll say the same thing.
	I mean, less than these two lovely ladies right here.
	But yeah, you would think I'm fine to date, but that doesn't mean I'm at 20.
	That just means that you'd be fine with it.
	I could be between 1 and 20.
	Do you want to give a range?
	No, I do not.
	What about you?
	One.
	Okay.
	Two.
	Okay, there it is.
	There you have it, folks.
	A woman's passion matter.
	Body count should matter.
	Some of you are a little hesitant to share the body count.
	If it doesn't matter, I feel like you'd be a little more forthcoming with sharing the body count.
	Yeah, I just really don't count.
	Like, I literally have had experiences I forget about, and then I'll see something and it'll remind me, and I'll be like, oh, yeah, I did do that that time.
	Like, I mean, life is so full.
	We do so many things.
	Like, sorry, how can you remember every night?
	I get it.
	Brain gets it.
	I get it.
	Some guys are forgettable.
	Like, really lackluster in the bedroom.
	I'm a virgin then.
	What the?
	What?
	Okay.
	All right.
	Guys, get them in.
	$69 TTS.
	Road session.
	Get them in here, guys.
	Get them in if you want to get a message.
	Check CTXR donated $69.
	Chair 1 is fundamentally dishonest.
	If you want to see proof you deflect, watch this podcast from the start.
	Andrew wouldn't make you cry cause he rage baits.
	It's cause he'd destroy your worldview.
	Would you come back on the show?
	Definitely not.
	Thank you, though.
	With Andrew.
	1,000%, 0%.
	Oh, yeah.
	It wasn't that bad.
	I really thought this would be like a two-hour ordeal, and I've been here for six hours.
	Eight and a half.
	Oh, yeah.
	Eight and a half.
	In that case.
	Yeah, I would very much.
	I'm tired, and I'd very much like to leave.
	We're going to wrap soon.
	That hurts, though.
	I thought we were.
	You know, this has been an experience for sure.
	Are you my Caucasian?
	I don't know what that means.
	Are you my Caucasian?
	What does that mean?
	Are you my Caucasian?
	I don't know what that means.
	Well, let me ask an establishing question.
	Are you white?
	Yeah, I'm white.
	So are you my Caucasian?
	I'm not yours, but I don't know what.
	I don't know what you mean by that question.
	I'll explain it.
	Reprise.
	I can't believe I got to explain this, but let me.
	I've never heard that before.
	I'm going to put you on some game.
	So you know how black people will say, are you my, I can't say it.
	Are you my N-word?
	Oh, like, are we friends?
	No one ever said that about a white person.
	Are you my caucascal?
	Are you my caucus?
	Are you my.
	So, Marin, am I your homie?
	My Caucasian.
	Are you my Caucasian?
	I know we disagreed on a whole bunch.
	But I think we disagreed a lot.
	I'm okay with you.
	I don't want to come back.
	What up, my cracker?
	Andrew missed his chance.
	Missed your chance.
	Andrew, you should have done Colin's way.
	All right.
	I don't want to debate Andrew.
	I'd get too upset.
	And I know that the internet loves to see me upset.
	Okay, so a couple more things.
	You know what?
	We're going to do let's see.
	Oh, wait, what was the thing?
	Oh, got to play the bow video.
	We always play the bow video.
	So I have a video I took of my ex-girlfriend.
	Consensually.
	What?
	What video?
	The fuck?
	Okay.
	Yes.
	Go ahead and play the bow video.
	Hide that before you start it.
	The bow?
	She's scared.
	So this is my ex-girlfriend.
	Okay.
	And this is my expectations before you played.
	This is what I expect from a girlfriend.
	Uh-oh.
	I expect her to bow.
	Go ahead.
	Boom.
	Did you see the bow?
	It's all up in Japan.
	People boom all the time.
	Wait, no, play it.
	Play keep it.
	What the fuck?
	Play that shit.
	That's a normal culture of stuff.
	We'll play it back later.
	Okay.
	And, you know, look, she had to do my laundry super quick.
	This was after a long podcast shoot.
	And she's so obviously rage-bait.
	Hold on.
	Look, she's got my beer.
	She's got my beer ready.
	She's got my dinner ready.
	Well, if this pleases her, then good for her.
	How long?
	Look at that.
	Look at her stirring the noodles.
	I'm happy that you found this and that she's like a round.
	Oh my god.
	I can't believe this.
	Boom.
	Do you look at the fucking bow?
	Do you see?
	Do you see the bow?
	That's normal.
	How many do you say?
	If she's happy doing that for you and that is what you want, then wonderful she's not going to be able to do that.
	She proposed it.
	I was like, babe.
	So who cares?
	You don't have to do it.
	And she's like, no, I want to do this.
	Well, I'm happy that you got that.
	She forced me to watch her bow.
	She forced me.
	I was.
	It was again.
	She bowed against my consent.
	She was like, you know what?
	Fuck you, Brian.
	I'm going to bow anyways.
	You don't want this shit?
	I'm going to bow.
	And then she kind of, I got on her page.
	I was like, you know what?
	I kind of like this shit.
	Well, if she likes it, then that's the question now is.
	The question now is $69 TTS.
	Guys, get them in.
	Would for the perfect man, for the perfect man, would you bow for him?
	Not if he asked me to, but if I felt like it.
	If I, if my perfect man would never make me do that.
	However, if I just wanted to, sure.
	Like, I love my boyfriend that I have right now so much.
	Like I said, I make him boot all the time, even though he says go make it himself.
	I enjoy doing things for him.
	He would never say, like, bow for me.
	What if the framing is this?
	There's a magic genie and he says, I will give you the perfect man.
	So the perfect man isn't asking for it.
	But it is a condition of the genie granting you this wish of getting the perfect man that in order to get the perfect man every single day, or when you meet him, anyways, if you're not seeing him every day, whatever.
	You have to hit the bow.
	Under those circumstances, would you do it?
	So it's an external third party.
	It's not an expectation of the man, but you have to do it to get him.
	Well, he wouldn't be my perfect man if I had to bow.
	So no.
	But it's not because of him.
	It's because of the genie.
	Would you do it?
	If a genie said, I could only keep the boyfriend I have right now if I bowed to him every day.
	Sure.
	Oh, you okay?
	So you would do it.
	I mean, I love my boyfriend.
	I don't think he would find it.
	I don't think he'd force me to do that.
	And if he wasn't forcing me to do it and I was just going to do it, then I wouldn't care.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	Would you do the bow for the perfect man?
	No, but I've washed my man.
	You've washed?
	Like from top to bottom.
	Like I've physically bathed him and like in a shower and I do appreciate the man's body.
	I washed his feet.
	I washed everything.
	So I do feel like I could be submissive and I could bow down to him in that situation.
	But not like that, never.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	For the perfect man.
	Yeah, for the perfect man, I probably would if that makes me and him happy.
	But I just don't think bowing to someone is a perfect way of showing affection.
	I'd rather just kiss him and even give him a shoulder rub when he comes back from a loan.
	Well, that's a given.
	Of course.
	You have to do the bow and do shoulder rubs.
	Yeah, I can do, I can bow in like a playful way, but that doesn't mean like innately I'm inferior to him.
	It's just doing it out of affection.
	Yeah, exactly.
	No way does he get a bow to me at all.
	Nope.
	One way.
	Would you bow for the perfect man?
	If a genie asked me to, I would.
	What if the man asked you to?
	I didn't think that wasn't the question.
	And it wouldn't be the perfect man.
	Well, you said yes, you would do it for the genie.
	Now I'm.
	Okay, does the bow include everything we saw in the video?
	No, just the bow.
	No.
	That's it.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Bow for the perfect man.
	So I am dating the perfect man, and I do bow for him.
	Because you watch the show, right?
	Yeah, the bow was from the show.
	You learned the bow, and he appreciates the bow.
	Yes, he does.
	Okay.
	Look, I'm just saying, I'm putting you girls, I'm putting you ladies on some game here.
	Try the bow.
	You know, you might hate it, but if it gets you the guy.
	I think my boyfriend would laugh in my life.
	I think the men need to bow.
	I don't love that shit.
	The men will be like, what the heck?
	I also think, I also think on the first date, if the woman comes over, she should do your laundry.
	Never.
	No.
	I'm not touching.
	Are you asking?
	That's such a good joke.
	That's hilarious.
	A joke?
	Oh, hold on.
	He should do my laundry.
	No, on the first date, you bring the girl over.
	How about this?
	Am I your servant?
	Are we still in college?
	She folds the laundry.
	Like this is a young question, maybe.
	The man is completely capable of doing it himself, but he wants the woman to do it.
	First date, no.
	Big red flag.
	First date is crazy.
	What are you doing?
	No.
	It's not even exclusive on the third date.
	What the fuck?
	Nah.
	Okay, if I decide to do my boyfriend's laundry, he'll say, Oh my gosh, thank you.
	I could have done it myself, but thank you so much.
	And I'm doing that.
	He would appreciate it.
	No, I do it.
	I do it.
	Sometimes I'll fold his laundry or sometimes I'll put it away.
	However, if he said, Do my laundry, I'd be like, You're fucking full of shit.
	No, you don't say it like that.
	Here's how you do it: she comes over on the first date.
	You take her hand, you hold her hand romantically, and you guide her to the laundry basket.
	You walk her, you walk her to the laundry room.
	Now, I'm a gentleman, right?
	I'll walk you to the ATM machine.
	So she doesn't have to do, she doesn't have to do everything.
	It's already in the dryer.
	She just has to fold it.
	I walk her in, I give her a kiss on the cheek.
	And you say, Can you please fold my laundry?
	I don't say anything.
	I just look at her.
	Here, I'll put it on.
	I look at her.
	Pretend this is the laundry basket.
	Oh, wait.
	Can they see it in the frame?
	All right.
	I look at her.
	I look at the laundry basket.
	I look back up at her.
	Look at the laundry basket.
	Look at her.
	And then without saying anything, you just walk away.
	I turn and I walk out of the laundry room.
	I think I just follow you.
	She just kind of knows.
	Then that's your perfect woman.
	She just knows to do it, you know.
	You know what?
	If you want that and that woman wants to do it, then good on you both.
	Don't you think that's the least you could do with your body?
	Go out of your boyfriend's.
	First day.
	Not the other way around.
	Yeah, you're supposed to give each other the least size for what?
	They pay for a very expensive dinner.
	I don't make them pay.
	And they ask you to fold their laundry.
	I don't make him pay.
	They pay for it.
	All the laundry.
	My man is rich, I think he hangs.
	Not when he's dating.
	We don't hold clothes.
	We hand clothes.
	Yeah, it doesn't make sense.
	You can do your laundry.
	You know, like I go to the dry cleaners.
	I just drop it off.
	If I become a stay-at-home wife and my husband goes to work all day long, I'll be happy to do his laundry for him.
	In that scenario, I'll be right back.
	However, if we're a boyfriend, girlfriend, and we're just in a normal relationship and we both have stuff going on, he's a grown man.
	He can do his own laundry.
	So you have to be married to provide woman and I go to work the same amount that my husband goes to work, then he can also do his own laundry.
	However, if my husband works so much that I can become a stay-at-home wife or whatever, I'll totally do the laundry, I'll totally cook, I'll totally clean, whatever.
	However, that's not the story for everyone.
	So I don't think you should say that's the least I can do without like knowing the whole story.
	I mean, he paid for your dinner.
	But I literally just told you that.
	I know you say you can't pay for make him, but like let's say he does.
	He offers you said earlier that if he's clearly insistent on paying, you said that, yeah, he'll pay for my dinner.
	Sorry, keep going.
	You don't think that's the least.
	And also, why do you have to do laundry on your first date?
	That's just weird.
	Yeah.
	Wait, have you ever had a one-night stand?
	Yes.
	Well, what's interesting to me, though, is this.
	So you guys complain about the bow, complain about the laundry.
	The same women who will suck a dude's dick on the first date, you won't do his laundry?
	I get pleasure in also pleasing the man in that way.
	Sure, but wouldn't, but you would be pleasing the man by doing his laundry, so wouldn't that same sort of thing apply?
	No, because I'm not getting any satisfaction out of doing the laundry.
	I'm getting satisfaction.
	Okay, how about this?
	Women be women will you will literally let a man inside of you on the first date.
	Okay, some people might say that's weird.
	It is.
	I'm just saying, it seems like the bow or the laundry is less than Letting a man insert his penis inside of you at risk of you potentially getting pregnant you let maybe you let him blat maybe you're on birth control You're gonna let him blast inside of you You're gonna let him come inside of you You're gonna let him but maybe blast on your face.
	I don't know.
	I'm just saying I'm just saying you guys gotta think about these things She likes it.
	I think I don't think we should be doing like stuff like that with like doing laundry for each other on the first date.
	That's weird.
	Like I'm not going to your house first of all.
	I don't know you.
	You've been yeah also the men are supposed to give undivided attention to the women and so do women on the first date.
	Then why would the men be so bothered by the laundry?
	You can just do it the next day when the after the woman leaves the date.
	Yeah, but it's like, if she can save me five or ten minutes, like just have her, like why is a guy?
	So what would you be doing in the meantime while she's doing laundry?
	Just watching her?
	I'd just go on my computer and like watch watch, like you know nothing.
	Okay I, if the woman wants to do your laundry and you want to watch TV, and she's fine with that then, like I said, that's totally fine.
	I am not the one.
	That's her provocative.
	Yeah, good for that girl for wanting to do that W to all the women out there who will do, who will do the bow and who will fold your laundry on the first date and they'll love, they will love it.
	Good for them, good for I agree.
	Now, the reason I bring this up though, is interesting to me.
	I would for me to get the perfect woman.
	I would even I would never bow to a woman, but for the perfect woman I'll hit a bow, I'll bow for the perfect.
	You gotta realize, when we're talking perfect here, I'm thinking like okay, she's a trillionaire and she's fucking hot and she's in that scenario.
	Hell yeah, all these things I'm like yeah, but when I, when I'm talking fuck, I feel maybe it's unfair to include like she's the perfect man or perfect perfect woman is a trillionaire.
	Maybe that's unfair.
	But like, perfect in every regard except like okay, they're not.
	They're not fucking obscenely weird to them.
	Yeah, like looks personality, perfect.
	There's a lot of things I would compromise on for the perfect women.
	Woman, I literally will break up with you if you're snoring, if you snore at night.
	That's a, that's a deal breaker.
	I cannot sleep.
	I find it very hard.
	I think it's key with my boyfriend, I feel like there's a lot of women.
	There's no like, there's a lot of women who they wouldn't make certain compromises for the perfect guy, and I think it's kind of just interesting.
	And the bow, what was?
	There was something else.
	Oh, we do a segment on the show right before we wrap.
	Where is the?
	Let's get to it?
	All right, you guys have to remove you don't what?
	Oh my gosh, you can remove your makeup if you'd like.
	I'm okay, I'm good on that.
	You do?
	You want to remove your?
	Sure, I look the same without makeup okay no, get the honor.
	Next one, do it, do it?
	Oh my goodness they're, they're good, they're all good.
	Thanks for listening to your assistant.
	We?
	We worry about chemicals honestly.
	I drink usually out of the glass bottle only.
	I think women should also do just half my face.
	Yeah, oh yeah, that's a good idea.
	Do half, just half.
	Yeah, just half.
	I like that idea, Maren.
	Here she's, she's sharp.
	She had a good idea there.
	That was good.
	I also think women should churn butter on the first date too.
	Like, if she doesn't you're funny guys if she won't churn butter, find one that will if.
	If she won't yeah, keep searching forever.
	If she won't, if he doesn't send you a thousand dollars to your bank account at the first date don't don't, don't, go out with him at all don't, date.
	We got to do the whole face.
	I don't know.
	Should we Felicity you gonna do this or what?
	If he doesn't pay you on the fence, i'm gonna do it.
	Come on, she's not gonna do it sooner or later when I get to him.
	We got things to do.
	We got people to see.
	We have friends here.
	Oh, yeah.
	We're just about to wrap.
	I'm telling you, this.
	And I have a couple of people.
	My eyebags are serving.
	What's that movie?
	Oh, we got some Reacts.
	Actually, we do it next time.
	We're not going to do the Reacts.
	We're going to do those next time.
	Oh, we didn't even.
	Did we do the gender swap?
	Mary.
	I'll show you a picture.
	Wait, can we do the gender swap?
	That would be hilarious.
	Oh, my God.
	I look like my brother.
	I've done these pictures already.
	Okay, that's fine.
	I look like my dad.
	It's weird.
	I would look pretty.
	I do not want to look like my father.
	Do you want to take all of it off?
	Okay, sure.
	I have to do it.
	He's not a good looking hat.
	My dad is shorter than my mom.
	I can take off the shit.
	Both sides.
	I'm doing the same.
	She's gorgeous, too.
	Yeah.
	Because I gotta wash my face at home.
	So, anyways, saves me time by doing it here.
	You just see a little more acne, I think.
	My eye looks a little bigger on this sucks to pull eyeliner some mascara.
	Here's what we're doing: the TTS.
	We're gonna do $30 TTS, $29.99 TTS.
	We're gonna do the roast session.
	Then we're wrapping the show.
	We always end with a roast session.
	So if you want, guys, get it in $30 TTS for a little roast.
	You guys need to roast.
	I'm gonna keep it half and half.
	Yes.
	Wait, looks a little into this camera right here.
	So that's half and half.
	Now, do you want to just go?
	She looks the same.
	Yeah, you can't tell.
	You can just see more acne.
	I'm like, which side is the one that you took?
	I can't tell.
	I just have like you can see my zits right here.
	Everyone has acne, guys.
	Normalize it.
	Acne is very normal.
	We should not shame the acne enjoyers.
	Or havers, I guess.
	Okay.
	Acne enjoyers.
	Yeah, I really enjoy my acne.
	I like popping pimples.
	Same.
	It's addictive.
	Me too.
	That's a thing.
	If a man let me pop his pimples, I'm that's red.
	That's where my friend lets me pop his pimples.
	My ex did not let me do it.
	I was like, what is wrong?
	Pick on you.
	You guys don't know.
	That's gross.
	Look, bro.
	All right, guys.
	$30.
	Hold on.
	$30 TTS.
	Let me get that all set up.
	The girls are working on their makeup.
	If you want, get a roast in, get a roast in here.
	Oh, here, I'm going to let some come through.
	These are at $60.
	Vector donated $70.68.
	Chair one, I get it.
	Life is unfair.
	We don't always get what we want.
	I want you to shut up, but you won't, because life is unfair.
	You're out here trauma dumping, masquerading as intellectually sound.
	When did I trauma dump?
	You did not say anything.
	I literally said absolutely nothing personal.
	Vector.
	Thank you, Vector, for the message.
	I appreciate it.
	George donated $70.
	Chair 1, you chose not to return because your incorrect worldview was challenged and questioned.
	So you went to the washroom to cry because you are not used to that.
	Calm down, woman.
	I did go to the bathroom to take a break because I thought I was going to be here for two hours and it's been, what, eight, whatever.
	My stomach hurts.
	I have to drive home tonight.
	Pasty George donated $70.
	Thank you, Pasty George.
	Don't women expect more like it when men bow on one knee when proposing, opening doors for them.
	Yes, paying for protecting or standing up for them.
	What's wrong with a respectful bow?
	We all ended up answering yes.
	I do have a pasty.
	Do you want to know if women would propose to their significant other?
	No, I think he's saying that, like, a lot, like, for example, do you want to get you want to get married one day?
	Yeah, I'm already married.
	She's been.
	Would you want a guy to buy you a ring?
	To buy me a ring?
	Yes, of course.
	I'll get a ring.
	And would you want him to get down on one knee?
	Yes.
	And propose to you.
	Yeah.
	I don't know.
	That's.
	I feel like kneeling and getting that's kind of worse than a bow.
	But that's the tradition.
	I mean, it has been a tradition since maybe 100 years ago.
	So what's the problem?
	Like, I would find it super weird if he doesn't want to keep the tradition going.
	You know what?
	If my boyfriend didn't get on one knee and just proposed to me standing up, I don't think I'd care very much.
	Like, he just took the ring box and just like chucked it at you.
	Well, that's a little disrespectful.
	There you go, Marin.
	Are you going to marry me or not?
	I don't think he'd ever ask like that but what and I don't need it to be a big ring either I really don't know.
	A lab ring.
	I don't care.
	What if he took you out to a nice dinner and he didn't get on his knee?
	He just sat across from you.
	I'd literally honestly do not put in my food.
	Wait, what?
	Why do people put in food?
	People put in $30, right?
	Wait, Mary, do you notice when you're scene switching?
	Are you touching?
	I am not touching anything.
	Wait, can you test it out?
	Let me just look at suit.
	Yeah.
	And you're not touching the other button?
	Do it again?
	Do it again?
	Go from left to right?
	Oh, I see.
	When you go right?
	Right, yeah.
	Set it left.
	Oh, that's so, oh, you know what?
	I might.
	Okay, I'll have to.
	That's a technical thing.
	I'll look at it after the show.
	Can you remind me, Mary, after the show to take a look at that?
	I was noticing that happening.
	I'm not sure why.
	Quick follow-up, though, on the whole bowing thing.
	Do you guys want a guy to adhere to or observe the sidewalk rule?
	So this is when you're walking down the sidewalk, the guy walks closer to where the cars are, the street.
	I don't care.
	It's not a necessity, but I think Chivalry is not dead.
	I would appreciate that.
	I think it's a very sweet gesture if a man does that.
	Don't you think that that's a bigger ask, though, than a bow?
	But the thing is, a bow is not as common as the crosswalk thing you were talking about.
	But all traditions, there is an origination point.
	Like men kneeling, that at some point started somewhere and it was not a tradition.
	That I don't know exactly when the knee getting down on one knee thing.
	It might even actually be a bit more on the modern side, maybe.
	I'm not totally sure on the history of the world.
	It has been kept ever since.
	Yeah, majority of the women would kneel.
	But it started at some point, right?
	Like men were probably at one point like, man, I ain't gonna be no bitch.
	I ain't gonna get down on the knee and, oh, excuse, please.
	Can I marry you?
	No.
	It used to be, woman, you're mine.
	Here's, here's.
	It might have been like this.
	No, it was asking their dad, like, can I just take her?
	Like, yeah, family just take her.
	Always been a business.
	I'm thinking of like caveman days and woman.
	Did they get married in caveman days?
	Here's a dead wildebeest.
	What?
	You're my wife.
	Probably some crazy, weird.
	Women chose men.
	Here's a fucking wildebeest.
	I killed this wildebeest for you.
	But yeah, no.
	I'd be like, hey, thanks.
	If a man kills a wildebeest for you, I feel like he's the one.
	Yeah, that means he owns me completely for me.
	Well, hey, I wasn't saying that.
	I was just saying, you got to at least be like, all right.
	I'll go on a date with a guy and kill the wildebeest.
	Shit.
	Okay.
	Lynn, will you marry me?
	Nope.
	After knowing you for just a few hours, that's crazy.
	No.
	Shit.
	I'm very rational.
	Rational.
	So you need a green cord?
	Yeah.
	But that's what I'm getting at is like, you want a guy to get down on one knee.
	Like the way I did it.
	The way I did it, you wouldn't be okay with it.
	Yeah, because the historical practice is the guy needs to kneel.
	It sounds like a man.
	It sounds like that man doesn't like women.
	That sounds like a man who doesn't like women.
	Yeah, it's because for me, I think that's a very sweet and romantic gesture.
	Yeah, why?
	He doesn't want to kneel to a woman.
	It sounds like you like men.
	You female supremacists, you want us to get down on one knee and look at what kind of oppression?
	You guys are so privileged.
	That's not about privilege.
	You guys are ridiculous.
	This is misandry.
	You guys are sexist towards men.
	And I'm just going to say, I don't think you guys have very outdated gender roles.
	I thought we were supposed to talk about modern dating.
	Yeah, I agree.
	We've been talking about the past and history.
	A man wants his vintage shit proposed to him.
	I thought this was a good idea.
	I don't even want to get married.
	That sounds like a macro proposal.
	Yeah, wouldn't you think it's weird a guy makes an exception to not kneel at the proposal?
	I would think he didn't really put in that much effort.
	He probably doesn't even know how to do a proper proposal.
	Would you be upset if he bought you a ring off of Amazon?
	Like a $10 ring.
	If he could afford different, then maybe I wouldn't be afraid.
	He's a millionaire.
	Well, then I'd be like, what's going on?
	That's smart.
	That's smart.
	If I was a billionaire and look, I wouldn't get married, but if I was going to get married, trust me, I'm getting her billionaire, you wouldn't get married.
	$10 ring.
	If I was going to get married and I was a billionaire, she can get a $10.
	I'm getting her $10 ring on Amazon.
	Okay.
	Because I'm a gentleman.
	This would never happen.
	You're getting a Timu ring when she proposes.
	Can I just give him like a keychain return?
	Yeah, like whatever that thing is called.
	You're getting a zip tie.
	$69.
	As a Polish-born man, dot the blonde dumb mass is average at best in Poland and less than average in the USA.
	Don't let her lie to you, Brian.
	She's your typical dumb blonde, typical internet 304.
	We don't claim her.
	You don't claim her.
	I guess he's from Wolf.
	Because they don't like it because everyone in Poland is racist.
	So I have a lot of scenes with non-white people.
	Oh.
	They don't like me.
	But I am the most famous porn star in Poland.
	You're the most famous porn star in Poland?
	Wow.
	Period.
	Uh-huh.
	It's facts.
	Okay.
	It's facts.
	All right, sure.
	I believe you.
	We have Relentless Phallas.
	Oh, boy.
	Relentless Phallas donated $69.
	Question for the panel: who did you vote for, or who would you have voted for?
	That's so funny.
	Who did you vote for?
	I voted for Kamala, but not because I support everything that she said, just because I really did not want Donald Trump to win.
	Okay.
	I don't vote.
	Voted for Trump.
	You voted for Trump.
	Okay.
	She's on the fence, you know?
	She's kind of based, sort of.
	But my count doesn't matter in California.
	Yeah.
	I don't like them.
	Kamala Saxon.
	Who did you vote for in the election?
	I didn't.
	Who would you have voted for?
	Neither.
	Okay, fair.
	What about you?
	Trump.
	I did not vote.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Thank you, Relentless Phallas, for that question.
	Great name.
	Wonderful name.
	Mary donated to the money.
	Is this Mary?
	Oh, is this Mary?
	My producer.
	To do the laundry.
	I always bow for my boyfriend and to be wait.
	You insist on doing the laundry.
	Like he's going to try to do it.
	You're like, nah.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	Okay.
	Look, ladies, I know you don't like this.
	I'll just try it out.
	Like, go to a guy's, the first time you go to the guy's house doesn't have to be the first date.
	When you do go to the guy's house for the first time, just be like, look at the game.
	Wait, offend it if I'm not going to be able to do that.
	Let me give you the game.
	I'm giving you the game.
	I'm giving you the game.
	Look deep into his eyes.
	Deep into his eyes.
	Don't offer him a BJ.
	Like you want to do, okay?
	Look deep into his eyes and be like, I'm gonna do your laundry.
	Where's your fucking laundry room?
	Except for yourself.
	Where is your laundry room?
	Where?
	No, no, no.
	You gotta say, I was being, I was joking, you gotta be a bit more like feminine with it.
	Be like, um, excuse me.
	Can I please do your laundry, sir?
	Um, where's your washer?
	It's like the beginning of a porno.
	I'm stuck in the washer.
	That's me.
	That's the only time I would do a laundry room.
	Just be like, where is your, where's your laundry room?
	Where's your laundry?
	Go and do his laundry.
	Go and offer to do his laundry.
	Do his laundry.
	I know you hate to hear that.
	But I'm telling you, this guy is going to look at you differently.
	And if that's what it takes to get the guy, if that's what it takes to get the guy, then I don't want the guy.
	I'm not listening to your advice anymore.
	I don't think so.
	You got me saved on.
	You were already dealing with that dude before you met me.
	It's your fault, bro.
	I need to lever her up.
	Oh, oh, you met me.
	You were dating this guy.
	You started doing the laundry, which you were probably doing before, anyways.
	And then she's trying to get a lot of people.
	They're going to stop respecting you and start being their servants.
	No, they'll fall in love with you more.
	They'll fall in love with you more.
	You know what I mean?
	They want to wipe you up.
	I am a goddess, and men are supposed to serve me.
	Nope.
	That's how I feel.
	Nope.
	And that's how I've been living my life.
	Disagree.
	Disagree.
	Okay, so that's I've been living my life for the last 10 years and they have been serving me.
	So that's my reality.
	No, so I agree with you.
	And there's definitely, I absolutely agree that women can.
	My ex will do my laundry, would cook for me, would do all that stuff, would pick me up from the airport, would do everything for me.
	I agree with you.
	And guess what?
	That didn't work out either.
	I agree with you that men will, well, probably because you didn't respect him.
	I agree with you that men will do that shit.
	But I'm telling you, ladies, it's look, if you do this, it's not going to get you a negative outcome.
	If you really like the guy, it's not.
	But if you really like anyone, but if you like, if you really like the guy, and maybe you've struggled in the past with getting the guy, if you want to get the guy, you got to do things beyond what other women are willing to do.
	Every other woman is willing to suck his dick.
	Every other woman is willing to give him sex.
	You got to put yourself beyond what other women are willing to do.
	Okay.
	And if you think all it's going to take, if you, that guy you really want, if you think all it's going to take is to give him sex or have sex with him, maybe for simps or dudes who don't really like get a lot of women, that might work.
	But if you're dealing with a guy who's really attractive and all you're bringing to the table is sex, it's not going to be enough.
	You got to bring value in another way.
	No, and we heard that's what we're bringing.
	I have a great person.
	That's not what I'm saying either.
	Intelligence.
	Yes, it is.
	Yeah.
	What's that?
	I know a lot of people.
	I'm sure if I follow you in front of my crotch, I chows will accurate the formula laundry.
	I was talking about, he's not going to just wipe me up.
	No.
	If you find the one, there will be a balance.
	Some women want to do a guy's laundry.
	Some women don't, and they'll find their match.
	But it's a willingness to be submissive and show some sort of deference to him.
	Yeah, showing deference is good.
	Also depends on how the men treat you back.
	Yes, the men, the men.
	What's the next problem?
	Otherwise, you're a masochist.
	I'm going to do his laundry.
	I'm going to shrink everything.
	Men on purpose.
	Look, he'll never do it.
	I'll be doing all the men.
	I'll put one of my money on the bottom.
	You know how men fuck up shit on purpose?
	I'll just make sure I'll do it really bad in the beginning so he'll never ask me to do it.
	I'm just saying.
	I'm not weaponized.
	I'll do that.
	The last guy I did laundry for was not faithful and was a total sociopath.
	Okay, sure.
	And people can do all the right things and still end up with bad people.
	What I am saying is, though, it actually will not hurt you actually at all to even test it out.
	If you're going to the guy's house for the first time, test it out.
	And maybe the response that you get from the guy might be like, wow, okay.
	So, yeah, I had to like do laundry.
	It took me five or ten minutes.
	And it took, hold on, it took a bit of effort.
	But then, if that gets the guy to be like, who is, holy shit, who is this woman?
	She's like done this thing.
	Maybe, like, at least for me, acts of service, receiving acts of service.
	Like, your love language.
	Receiving acts of service.
	Nice.
	Yeah, that's like, but I think that's the case for a lot of guys.
	I feel like all of those are fine.
	They're all great.
	They're all wonderful.
	All of us need all of that.
	Some men.
	Choosing only one thing.
	Everyone needs everything.
	You didn't ask us what our love languages were.
	Yeah.
	Some men just take it for granted.
	I'm just kidding.
	I care.
	You don't.
	I care.
	You care?
	Sorry.
	Was that on camera?
	My bad.
	All right.
	Let me let the chats come through.
	We'll let Carmen do it.
	$30 TTS.
	Get him in.
	The chats are coming.
	Big Rose.
	Thank you, Big Sass.
	Chair 2 covering up her foop for the entire episode.
	1,000 body count.
	Expect someone with a million plus salary.
	So comically delusional.
	No man with that sort of money or close would settle for you.
	I had plenty of offers, babe.
	Okay.
	Trusty Texan donated $30.
	Brian on rights.
	Women can enslave men by lying about birth control.
	Guy would have to pay her 20% of his income with jail time if he refuses to pay.
	With passport automatically revoked if over $2,500.
	I mean, yeah, and the other thing, so a woman could like poke a hole in the condom.
	There are scenarios.
	I've had men who try to trap me before.
	Yeah, men can do it too to women.
	But that's what I said.
	They shouldn't have to women do it.
	If they don't want the child, they shouldn't have to be involved.
	Yeah, but there are scenarios, like probably the most egregious.
	If the woman's allowed to get an abortion if she chooses.
	But there are even, there are potentially even scenarios where you might, I might be able to convince you, even in states where abortion is outlawed, you might even be willing to make some concessions on this.
	So for example, there are stories of like teachers, for example, who essay their students like in high school or whatever.
	And the teacher gets pregnant.
	And you would agree with me that this is like, I don't know if you would say it's grape, but you might say it's like a form of essay.
	It is.
	No, it's grape.
	And so, but there have been cases where female child predators got pregnant off of their victim and then were able to pursue child support officials.
	And I do not think that's fair.
	That's absolutely insane.
	That's very unclear and very insane.
	I am using a very extreme example, but it's in context of what he brought up.
	In states where abortion is illegal and women cannot get an abortion for any reason, men should have to pay child support.
	However, if a woman has the right to choose and chooses to keep the child, then the man should also get a right to choose whether or not he's involved or not.
	Hasty George.
	Hasty George, thank you, man.
	Appreciate it.
	Chair one, two, three, and four.
	All I hear from you four is what do you expect from men, whether it is traditional or not?
	If you expect things from men, why can't men expect such a little thing as a boat?
	I literally said I don't expect anything.
	I don't expect the sidewalk.
	No, I didn't expect to see you.
	I did not, I don't expect the sidewalk rule.
	I don't expect them to pay for me.
	I don't expect anything.
	So count me out of that.
	Also, I didn't.
	Hasty George.
	I'm going to be taking 100% from what the men offer.
	I reciprocate.
	And because I never want to owe anything, but I don't want to make effort on men who don't even care about me, who don't make any gesture.
	I think it's all about fairness.
	And I think what's fair is women should do laundry on the first date.
	If I got to pay for the first day, I'm paying for the first date.
	Maybe you could do the laundry.
	You know what I'm saying?
	I usually get paid to go on a game.
	If you pay, I'll drive.
	I get to free food and plenty on top of that.
	Women are worse drivers.
	May coffee's expensive, too.
	You say women are the worst drivers.
	Yes.
	Maybe you've been doing this.
	It's a joke.
	It's a joke.
	Calm down.
	Calm down.
	That one's amazing driver.
	I drive Ferrari's.
	I go to Rolls-Royce's.
	Calm down.
	Guys, guys, guys.
	Hold on.
	Let me read.
	I got to re-trigger it.
	I got to re-trigger it.
	I can't.
	Is it this one?
	Pasty George donated $30.
	Care two.
	So a man who refuses to bow on one knee to a woman for proposing is hateful to women.
	Then, by that logic, women who refuse to bow to men as a sign of respect are hateful toward men.
	Good point.
	It is a good point.
	I'm hateful for you.
	What I do find interesting, and I won't linger on this, is just like, I do think there, I do think that women want to sort of abandon or what's goddamn, bro.
	Sorry, I'm fucking tired.
	Women want to abandon their traditional gender roles, but they want men to adhere to their traditional gender roles.
	So like even feminist, liberal, progressive women are still going to like say stuff like, I want a guy who's willing to provide and protect and like do that, take on the initiative when it comes to courtship and leadership.
	And I want him to ask me out.
	I want him to make the first move.
	I want him to go for the first kiss.
	I want him to do all the things that are associated traditionally with traditional gender roles.
	But like, I also want to totally get rid of all my traditional gender roles, which I just think is interesting.
	I just want to be worshipped.
	I just don't want to act like a person.
	Thank you.
	Care one is insufferable.
	Oh.
	She's like a petulant 16-year-old theater kid who takes herself too seriously.
	She thinks women should run the world, but can't handle a few hours on a podcast without crying.
	Yeah, I'm having horrible stomach pains right now.
	Me too.
	And it's what, one in the morning?
	I'm having crazy back pain right now.
	My back pain.
	It's one in the morning.
	I'm exhausted or whatever.
	It's like 12 something.
	I don't know.
	Back and neck pain.
	Good for you.
	I'm answering the question.
	Do you think you're actually a little bit?
	You should do yoga.
	Car accidents.
	I'm going to give you a shoulder rob.
	I did not expect this today.
	I thought this was going to be a fun two-hour podcast where we just talked about dating.
	I had fun arguing with you.
	I have felt a child.
	She had fun since I walked in.
	You had fun arguing with her too.
	No, I did not.
	Okay.
	I stand corrected.
	Maren had a terrible time.
	I didn't say terrible.
	I just wasn't enjoying myself these past eight hours.
	I do want to say something nice to you, Maren.
	I know, you know, we obviously disagree on a lot.
	We were arguing.
	We were debating.
	I do want to give credit where credit is due.
	A lot of people, I think, on both sides of the political spectrum, don't want to have discussions with the other side.
	There's a lot of political polarization.
	So I give you credit in terms of your, I don't know if bravery seems like a bit dramatic, but like your openness and willingness to sit down with somebody who you probably ideologically disagree with substantially, have that conversation.
	That shows an open-mindedness that you're even willing to have conversations that could be difficult or that you, you know, you're faced with viewpoints and worldviews you disagree with.
	You did participate.
	You provided a lot of pushback.
	So I do give you credit.
	One nice comment, guys.
	I got one nice comment.
	And to his point, you have been in a lot of ways consistent, like with some of the logical stuff.
	Like, you are at least consistent for the most part.
	There's been a couple things even though we disagree on things, I'm still consistent.
	I've said multiple times, I think.
	You can have your opinion, I can have my opinion.
	And by the way, just to be clear, like, again, I know we argued, no hard feelings whatsoever.
	I don't have any ill will towards you.
	I thought it was a fun conversation.
	I kind of enjoy having these, you know, disagreements and heated conversations.
	Definitely interesting.
	And yeah, so we have Randy here with a message.
	Oh, is it coming through?
	Chair one wasn't.
	Randy donated $30.
	I knew it.
	Brixon, you're welcome for me putting you in the middle of the morning.
	That was you, Randy.
	Thank you, ma'am.
	Appreciate it.
	Here's $30 to buy more.
	Oh, thank you, Charlie.
	Chair one.
	You're insufferable.
	Entitled A Man Hater and Mid is Fuke Dot to Her Boyfriend.
	Run.
	W Chair 6.
	Scoop more that way.
	Run back.
	Wait, can you guys with the makeup wipes?
	Can you just hold them up to the camera right here?
	Just hold them up so we can see the damage.
	Like, open it, spread.
	Whoa, that sounded weird.
	Open it and spread.
	That sounded in my bad.
	Okay.
	We got Pasty George.
	Pasty George donated $30.
	Thank you.
	You voted for Carmela Harris, you feminist.
	LMFAO.
	That was really nice.
	Thank you.
	You can roast them back, by the way.
	I mean, I've been roasting Pasty George for spending the past eight hours watching the same podcast and spending all his money on it.
	Well, he's a patron of the show.
	Yeah.
	Pasty George.
	Pasty George.
	You should go text me.
	He's probably like in his mom's basement.
	Where is Trailer Swift?
	Trailer Swift.
	Trailer Swift.
	We're going to wrap the show.
	We need you here, Trailer Swift.
	You call her Trailer Swift?
	Well, she.
	Should we pull it?
	Should we?
	Oh, my God.
	Trailer Swift.
	I'm Trailer Drift.
	Who's that?
	That's her.
	She's Trailer Drift.
	Should we play the video?
	Yeah, show them.
	Mary, are you able to find the video or not?
	That's a tongue tweet.
	Is it on your Instagram?
	Yeah, I'm really confused.
	Mugshotties.
	Oh, mugshot.
	Okay, I'll try to find it while the chats come through.
	Stargazer donated $30.
	A compliment.
	Chair One, you are literally one of the most beautiful girls I have ever seen in my life.
	But your positions/slash views are just strong.
	I wish the best for you, and I hope you change your ways.
	God bless you.
	Thank you, question mark.
	Thank you.
	Were you able to find it, Mary?
	That was nice.
	Yeah, blug shoddies.
	Is it just going to be they're not going to pin it?
	It's on reals.
	No.
	Oh, my God.
	How many fucking posts?
	Oh, they have a.
	I'm not going to find it.
	That's like.
	It's not that.
	Whatever.
	I don't care.
	Mary, if you can find it, do it.
	Try to find cares for her career.
	She's a total disgrace.
	Simps serve her, not real men.
	She's only for the money.
	She doesn't follow God.
	She is not polished worthy.
	She's following liberal ideology.
	I believe I'm God.
	Oh.
	Period.
	I am following God.
	Is he following yourself?
	Period.
	Huh.
	Interesting.
	I mean, okay.
	Everyone's entitled to their own beliefs.
	Lizzie B95 donated $69.
	Now that women work due to feminism and pay into their own pensions, should divorce laws be modernized so they no longer allow access to a husband's pension.
	I mean, husbands can set up prenups, so, and so can wives.
	Prenups exist.
	Prenups are good.
	Yeah, prenups can be challenged, and it only applies to what is accrued during the course of the course of the marriage.
	So there are concerns there, but can't really get guys into it.
	Thank you, Big Sass.
	Appreciate it.
	Thank you, Liz, by the way.
	It's gang banged by a bunch of dudes.
	Book cake came all over, but buying for her man is the line.
	Lola, lol.
	Thank you for that big sass energy.
	Appreciate it.
	We have Snapmore.
	I've never done that.
	Snap more donated $29.
	This misandrist Jen is learning pretentiousness and losing sight on accountability.
	No morals, no humility.
	The most disgusting generation we've ever had in the history of human race.
	I think this is the best generation ever.
	You think this generation is the worst generation of the entire millennials and the older one.
	Yeah, I was about to say I'm younger than you.
	How old are you?
	20?
	I'm 19.
	Wow.
	Good talk.
	Okay, we have Pasty George here.
	Snap more.
	Thank you for the message.
	$30.
	To the panel from chair one to chair six, please answer one at a time.
	What duties and responsibilities do women have to themselves in today's modern society?
	In your own opinion.
	Whatever I want for myself.
	Like, what do you mean, duties and responsibilities for myself?
	Whatever I want for myself.
	Like, it's my own decisions.
	I don't really know what that question means.
	My duty is to make myself happy.
	Same.
	Keep myself happy.
	If you're in the relationship, of course, being devoted to the men.
	But on the other hand, if you're not in the relationship, you can still be financially and spiritually independent and be happy.
	Okay.
	As a single person, my only job is to make sure that I take care of myself, stay happy, enjoy life, stay alive.
	Yeah.
	Keep myself fed, clothed.
	So the question, just a reminder: what duties and responsibilities do women have to themselves in today's modern society?
	I think being not promiscuous, being loyal, but I feel like that goes for everybody.
	Respecting everybody, especially men and all that they do for us.
	Do you have something to say to Haley?
	I'm saying if men are sleeping with someone.
	Did you grow up like Amish or Mormon or something?
	No, I actually, my family is liberal.
	How do they feel about your views?
	How do they feel about my views?
	Yeah, and where are you from?
	I'm from Santa Cruz, California.
	Really?
	Really liberal.
	Wow.
	Really liberal.
	That's crazy how women changed like this.
	My family.
	It's so crazy.
	Yeah.
	It's pretty crazy.
	Well, I do think there's a ton of shit wrong with society, and so it can make it can push women back to the extreme of totally go back to the way things used to be because the Cardi B songs and the pop the pussy and the wop songs and all that shit is not helping men take women more seriously.
	So we can't control the movies that Hollywood makes or the songs that people put out.
	But what she's saying is we can control ourselves and we can go back to being more old school and Victorian.
	Yes.
	Not even old school.
	I just don't know.
	Just being respectful of yourself and not showing off your body tip.
	I think that's where you're going to be.
	Every man, everybody feel good at it.
	Yeah, I think that's more of a personal choice.
	I remember posting your sexy pictures on your Instagram.
	Saying, oh, it's just for myself.
	It's just for this is like a societal issue.
	This is not just like that we're all so horrible.
	Yeah, right.
	Like, why does it matter?
	Like, to me, it's totally fine for you to say, for you, dressing a certain way or posting a certain thing, you don't like it.
	It makes you uncomfortable.
	That's totally fine.
	But to like put other women down and say, like, you have a duty to be not promiscuous and you being promiscuous is wrong is just ugly.
	It's very like Middle Eastern.
	Well, I think women should be fully covered and wear parkas and keep their hair covered and not speak.
	I think that If you want men to respect you, then you shouldn't be dressing promiscuously like with the gym.
	All those girls that wear this super tight, they're in their bra and they're in spandex that you can literally see everything.
	Thank you.
	But it's not about being like, you can see the vagina.
	And they're like, hold on, let me finish my point.
	Let me finish my point.
	And all the women are like, oh, why is this creepy guy, why is he still, why is he looking at me in the gym?
	I'm just here to work out.
	But you're literally dressed by him.
	You're literally let me finish my point.
	Sounds like your dull energy.
	I haven't tapped into your own femininity or sexuality yet at this point in your life.
	Please don't interrupt me.
	Stare at me working out.
	Yeah, that's not.
	Just sitting across from men don't work out just to look at me and stop and watch me work out.
	You don't understand that.
	What are you wearing?
	What does it matter what I'm wearing?
	It doesn't matter what I'm wearing.
	Men inherently like face and ass.
	Unmanned creepy men like men.
	Does that mean when I see a man in a mosquito, I like go up to him and stare at him?
	Why can't women just feel pretty if he was sexy herself?
	Yeah, what does a woman have total liberty to feel good?
	I don't either.
	I think about the gym or no one was talking.
	I was talking about promiscuity, and one of the main things in promiscuity is in the gym.
	All the girls wear super tight bras, having their boobs bra?
	Yeah, and their boobs are popping out and they wear spandex that go right up.
	Yes, I go to the spandax.
	That ride up, that ride up.
	That ride up.
	That you wear sweatset on.
	I just don't see what's going on.
	Yeah, she wears a pseudo-suit to this.
	If I go dressing and I wear leggings like a real person dressing like an object.
	Ask like Lil Lemon, all these brands to stop producing tights and don't buy them.
	They're actually really bad for you.
	They're made out of plastic, so we should all stop wearing that, actually, honestly.
	Yeah, we should wear cocktails.
	You're touching on a topic I would have loved to spend the whole podcast talking about.
	Instead, we talked about a bunch of bullshit that I'm not on topic.
	She's saying that women dress too promiscuously at the gym.
	Wearing a sports bra and shorts is too promiscuous.
	It's women's fault if they got hit on the shop.
	Women are like, God made me like this.
	You guys can make your arguments just one at a time, please.
	Go ahead.
	Women are like, why is this guy looking at me when you're literally dressed in nothing?
	But did any of us say that?
	No, we did not.
	So.
	You're just assuming.
	But most women, most women are.
	Oh, I'm such a victim.
	The first thing was, what are your responsibilities as a woman in today's case?
	Yes, and I said not dressing promiscuously.
	Yeah, but women in India still get graped, even if they're fully dressed.
	What are your responsibilities?
	What not only fucking shoes?
	Name comes out.
	Yes, exactly.
	Yeah, do you know how all STDs came to be?
	It's from men having sex with different animals.
	Like, if we want to be real, let's be real.
	Like, that's not a problem.
	I'm going to need a fact check.
	Honesty, you guys.
	Like, men are not something you should have.
	It came from like adults.
	They came out or something.
	It came from like monkeys or something.
	Everything came.
	They came from sexual intercourse with chimps.
	Ben having sex with animals.
	White men.
	This could have been way more than that.
	I mean, I get her point.
	Some women do dress.
	But those animals were naked, so it's their fault.
	Oh, my God.
	Yeah, they looked at me differently.
	She looked at me like this.
	Stop her sex.
	Go ahead, Felicia.
	I get your point.
	There are some women that overdo it, but I don't think it's really as common as you're making it seem to be at all.
	I go to the gym pretty often, and I mean, I just wear leggings and a t-shirt, and I don't, I'm not bothered if other women want to wear a sports bra or shorts or leggings.
	It doesn't matter.
	And it's not as common as you may think.
	And you have every right to choose not to dress promiscuously.
	My issue here is why do they complain about men who's staring at them?
	The women who are so many women in this woman are like why is this creepy guy looking at me?
	But guys will still be trash at parties.
	Even like frat parties and fat parties.
	That's like literally almost every woman gets raped by one of those.
	Yeah, like okay guys.
	Like okay I get hit on even if I'm just wearing normal t-shirts and jeans.
	I'm not saying she's wearing that you wouldn't get hit on.
	I got hit on stare at a woman who is like nice outfits, workout outfits because I appreciate her being disciplined and being dedicated to her health routine.
	Yeah.
	And looking good.
	Exactly.
	Watch your drift video.
	There's no guys video and stop talking about it.
	Do you guys want to watch it?
	Yeah, I want to see it.
	And then we'll walk.
	You're drifting a car?
	Yeah.
	Do you want to go home?
	Yeah, we're just going to skip that.
	Okay, then I'll never see it.
	I've been in Tokyo and I've been on like the Tokyo Drift is real.
	I got picked up in a Lamborghini, my friend, and Danny.
	And he didn't speak any English.
	It was all Japanese.
	And we were rolling.
	It was so much fun.
	No, it's because I ran from.
	Otis Driftwood donated $30 for your headache tonight.
	Oh, thank you.
	Please degenerate chair one through four.
	Murder is not the answer you are promoting a horrible existence.
	Okay, unaliving children is horrendous and murder Okay Thank you.
	It doesn't make sense.
	I think show menace are listening to this podcast.
	It's like men want to have sex, but who do you guys want to have sex with if you don't respect women?
	Brian's not even the best debater on his own show.
	I did okay.
	Okay.
	I did okay.
	Chair five seems cool, though.
	Get yourself the fattest of burritos, Brian.
	You've owned it.
	Thank you.
	Thank you very much.
	Thank you, Justin.
	I appreciate it.
	We have Big Sass Energy.
	Thank you.
	Big Sass Energy donated.
	Pull up Channing Table.
	Brian, please pull up an image side by side.
	I still don't know who this Rachel lady is.
	Please break it down.
	Who is this Rachel lady?
	Mary, you see the name Rachel Dulla.
	Google it really quick.
	We'll pull up a picture for context.
	Thank you, Big Sass Energy.
	We have Beatin Chair.
	Oh, my goodness.
	Beat in cheeks.
	Oh, my God.
	I just woke up.
	It's so good to see much pots and pans bossing.
	CCP rep went from feminine to intolerable after divorce, hence her divorce.
	Why do you think you deserve anything after being a boss babe?
	What does CCP mean?
	What is this?
	That's one of the Chinese communist parties.
	She went from.
	Wait, the Communist Party thing?
	I honestly was pretty blind.
	I can't even read the satire though.
	I wish I had grabbed my glasses from my car.
	I wish.
	Moving on.
	Yeah.
	What's your correction level?
	Is it, like, negative what?
	No, I mean, I have my LASIK, but I can't.
	Yeah.
	Let me do.
	Okay, pull it up.
	Rachel Dulles.
	Scroll up.
	Oh, this lady took her head.
	She was black.
	She pretended she was black and she.
	No way.
	There is a bit of a striking, striking resemblance.
	Wait, how did she pick Jewish?
	This is Jewish hair.
	That guy fades the hair.
	No, but she's white.
	But that's a fake perm.
	She doesn't even have real equipment.
	Wait, that's a before and after picture of her?
	That's like what are you doing?
	I don't know.
	No, I'm saying your facial structure looks like and your hair is similar to her.
	Now you just sound like every other ignorant person that's asked me if my dad's black.
	Like, no, I have Jewish heritage.
	So Jewish people naturally like thick, curly hair.
	I said you look like a white woman.
	So how would that be?
	That pretends to be a black woman.
	Right.
	That's an insult.
	No, but she's.
	Okay, well, I got a lot of money.
	She didn't even know who she was.
	I know who this woman is.
	Hold on.
	Hold on.
	Moving on.
	Oh, relentless phallus.
	Hey, thank you, man.
	Chair one is the evil version of chair five.
	Wow.
	Thank you.
	She wishes.
	Wow.
	Ain't that something?
	Okay.
	Thank you for that.
	Remember that.
	One person's evils, the next person's normal.
	Right.
	We live in an evil world.
	Oh, this is below the threshold.
	What if you had only good experiences?
	I suggest people should.
	It's below the threshold.
	I'm sorry.
	I didn't even read it.
	Yeah, I knew it.
	It went away super.
	But what I will do, Stephen Villar Floor, thank you for the message.
	I do appreciate it.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	The many-faced many-foreseen donated $30.
	Yeah, chair one is pretty but still insufferable.
	But she's young, so hopefully she grows out of it.
	Unfortunately, it's probably too late for chairs two and four.
	Too late for you guys.
	Yeah.
	All right.
	Thank you for that.
	Appreciate it.
	Appreciate it.
	Have you had been under a lot of stress since the Charlie Kirk debate?
	Oh my god, I got so many death threats.
	It was wild.
	Wow.
	And a lot of hate.
	People tried to get me like it was just crazy.
	I just got like, yeah, it was bad.
	But you know what?
	What doesn't kill you makes you stronger.
	What doesn't kill you gets you potential death threats.
	Gotta love big sass energy donated.
	Thank you, big sass.
	Appreciate it, man.
	Thank you.
	Chair one to four saying chair five wants to go back to the time when women couldn't speak while collectively speaking over her and trying to silence her opinion.
	Classic, classic hypocrite feminist 320.
	So classic, guys.
	Get them in.
	We're going to get this wrapped.
	So get them in if you want.
	Final call.
	Final call $30.
	Chair one.
	You remind me of my ex I lived with for four years.
	You say he ran back to you, but all I see is that her manipulating and using a man who's trying to grow and gaslighting him for your ego.
	Leave him alone.
	Wait.
	I never.
	I don't know what that person's talking about.
	I never said anyone ran back to me.
	Me and my boyfriend are fine.
	We've never broken up.
	But good try.
	What the frick is?
	0217 donated $30.
	Who the fuck?
	Is this a dude?
	Did you get the nudes I sent in?
	What?
	Can't even read.
	Next.
	Who's nudes?
	Is that a guy?
	Please.
	Please don't send me nudes.
	Anybody, please don't send me nudes.
	But okay.
	Stephen Villafla donated $30.
	What if you have had only good experiences?
	I suggest people should appeal to their lover instead of outside influences that modify their perceptions of what their relationship should be like.
	Only good.
	Only good.
	Thank you, Steve.
	Okay.
	Stephen.
	Oh, okay.
	Hasty George donated.
	Hasty George.
	Chair 5, you are based on this panel for speaking the truth and stating common sense.
	Chairs 1, 2, 3, and 4 were so triggered by your valid responses that they attacked you right away.
	LMFAO.
	Thank you.
	It's just crazy.
	It's the fan base.
	Beaten cheeks.
	I can't pull up this chat because I'm probably sure a lot of people.
	Beat and cheeks.
	I'll read it.
	The parts that are appropriate.
	When Chair 3 speaks, I feel my pots and pans are being dropped in my kitchen.
	I can't read this part.
	Brian, if you're being blackmailed into having CCP reps, I'll help you out, bruv.
	Oh, the CCP is going after you tonight.
	Watch out.
	Yeah, see, she admits it.
	Drop your pots and pan.
	They're probably gonna come over and burn your roof.
	Careful.
	Hey, she's funny.
	She's kind of funny.
	Not gonna lie.
	She's got some jokes.
	This is the part of the show that can prove Chair One's whole worldview wrong is how women will treat other women in social situations.
	Her views differ, so let's stockpile and make her feel bad.
	Did you feel like they did that?
	I do think that they were all speaking at once very loudly.
	So I do agree with the dog pile thing, but I don't.
	They didn't make me feel bad.
	See what you're doing.
	You're going against the sisterhood.
	And the sisterhood will not tolerate dissident opinions.
	That's not the problem.
	The sisterhood is not strong with this one.
	What I said was: I wish we would have been talking about this on the entire show.
	It's not that interesting.
	She has an interesting perspective, and I'm not saying she's wrong.
	She's very valid in her points.
	And her opinions are 100% valid.
	I think it was worth a bigger conversation, not a two-second, please spit your answer out.
	She's she is totally allowed to have her own opinions.
	It's when she tries to force them onto all women that I have a problem with.
	Yeah, how can I force by saying that all women promiscuously?
	How can I do it?
	It's not you forcing us to.
	That's why you just said because you're saying that we shouldn't be doing it.
	You're saying that you shouldn't be doing something that would help my own choice that would help you in the long run.
	Help me with what?
	Getting a voluble man.
	Am I dressed super promiscuously right now?
	Not super, but your tits are out.
	So the guy I'm with chose this alpha for me.
	What about all that celebrities under this shirt?
	So that's the thing about her.
	So celebrities at Matgala and all those red carpet shows are all like promiscuous.
	That's really sad.
	Wow.
	This whole world is a little bit different.
	I do think that promiscuity is sad.
	I just think it's fine if you say that for you personally, you don't want to be promiscuous and you feel that you're going to get more respect for that and you can say that about yourself, but to enforce it onto other women is wrong.
	I'm not forcing it onto the other side.
	I didn't say literally I said enforcing.
	I'm trying to give you guys advice for wrong advice that makes me feel disgusting.
	Not logic, okay.
	I'm sorry that I made you feel bad.
	But that doesn't mean you have to impose it on others.
	That's what I'm saying.
	I think you should brush your hair.
	That's my opinion.
	Exactly.
	Yeah, my hair does get messy after a little while.
	Yeah.
	that's a sign of respect as well are we done?
	Are we done?
	What is that?
	Almost almost there's the end music.
	Can we roast each other like our stake?
	Thank you, Durden.
	Women are for women as long as they agree with them.
	As long as they don't try to impose their ideas onto me, I'm for all women.
	Exactly.
	Unlike this one over here.
	Potchi's soup donated $30.
	Always got to be victims, bricks, and you get the nude des.
	What?
	Did you get the nudes?
	He keeps sending me a dude.
	Someone keeps saying that they're sending you nudes.
	Good talk.
	Melanova, thank you.
	Melo underscore Nova donated $30.
	Chair 5 gets it.
	Good on you, girl.
	Those chicks that wear almost nothing and then act like they're surprised someone notices them.
	You know what you're doing, and that's why you're doing it.
	Thank you.
	Yes.
	I'm proud this podcast is like giving you the recognition you want, though.
	Because I would not give a fuck if they were disagreeing with me.
	Sure.
	Yeah, but also who are watching this podcast?
	What's a demographic like?
	Oh my god.
	That's what I'm saying.
	Very handsome, single men, richness.
	No, very handsome men who deeply respect women, who have huge penises and who are awesome and really cool and also super cool and have huge penises.
	Right.
	And they're not going to get divorced by the age of 30.
	Mike dropped.
	I think divorce is perfectly fine if you don't love the person and if you don't want to be with that person.
	Do you believe that divorce is wrong?
	I do, yes.
	Wow.
	Are you sure you're not Mormon?
	Do you want to be Mormon?
	Are you Amish?
	No, I'm actually asking like in a non-effectiveness.
	I'm Muslim or?
	That makes more sense.
	Okay.
	Okay, yeah, probably fundamentalist Christian.
	Non-common.
	That's like the mainstream Catholic viewpoint that divorce is it in the Bible.
	But you had sex before marriage.
	So you have straightforward.
	And I am a sinner, and you are a sinner, and you're a sinner.
	Well, I don't believe in God, so I'm not a sinner.
	I don't play that game.
	I hope God finds you one day.
	I'm not a sinner.
	We all are sinners.
	That's your opinion.
	Yeah, this is not a preaching session here.
	I think being dogmat, Brian.
	I'm in dogmile.
	I think being sexual and being open with your body and knowing who you are as a woman is something that God would appreciate.
	That's why he made our bodies.
	The clitoris has nothing to do but orgasm.
	That's the only thing it's made for.
	Let me say really quickly.
	Nothing else.
	You can just wait.
	If you started all your sentences with, for me personally, I would have zero problem with anything you've said.
	However, it's the fact that you're trying to make it seem normalized for all women when it's just you can't do that.
	Simply just trying to within the confines of her worldview, what's actually wrong with making prescriptive claims about what should be or what she thinks is better for society?
	Like what's actually wrong with that?
	It's the tone of voice she uses.
	Oh, did my tone hurt you?
	I'm so sorry.
	I mean, I'm going to have a poor phone.
	I'm sorry.
	Nah, y'all been shitting on me.
	I'm going to shit on you now.
	No, no, we're not shitting on you.
	We respect the diversity of opinions.
	Like, Brian doesn't want this to be like a silent podcast show.
	We're just all sitting here, like, nothing else.
	Again, you said.
	Otherwise, how is he going to get all the donations, right?
	By me saying it's your tone of voice, I mean it's the fact that instead of saying, in my opinion, blah, it's you saying like women shouldn't do this and this shouldn't be a thing.
	And you guys are saying that.
	Yeah, you have to do it.
	I've been saying, in my opinion, literally, yes.
	Yeah, I respect the fact you're a Christian, but it doesn't mean that everybody has to follow the Christian rules.
	We all are at liberty to choose the way we want to live.
	Even if I wasn't Christian, I would still believe that promiscuity is bad for our society.
	Okay.
	If you believe.
	Then what about all those men that like batted them?
	Who are they going to promiscuous with?
	Who are they having sex with each other?
	Who do they want to have sex with?
	If the women are putting up their legs.
	Brian, can we please continue?
	Oh, you don't want to say that.
	The logic.
	Like, if you guys have to wait for people to have a woman who are going to have intercourse with women baddest, like just pure idiots.
	I just can't.
	It doesn't make sense.
	If we should both do it, then men should stay virgins also.
	If you're accusing us of idiocy, that means she's not a virgin.
	In the Christian faith, though, prescriptively, I think there is something.
	Chastity is valued in both men and women.
	Yeah, I also appreciate that.
	So it would be within the purview of her faith that virginity is like something that's valuable.
	Or chastity at the least.
	Here, I got to get through the rest of the chats, though, guys, because we got.
	What do you mean the rest?
	We have to do all of them.
	We'll get there.
	We'll get there, man.
	...rights than women and women can enslave men, have their passports revoked and have them arrested if they don't give...
	$30 TTS.
	Thank you.
	Thank you, trusty.
	Literal slaves that must work and can't leave.
	Okay.
	We've heard that.
	Next.
	Trusty text and I appreciate your message here.
	The girls really enjoyed your message.
	Hasty George donated $30.
	Thank you, Pasty.
	Chair 5 is correct about women objectifying themselves for male attention and validation.
	Still, when they get it from men they don't like, they complain and post TikTok videos online about it.
	Well, there's some of those crazy gym videos, man.
	Toxic, crazy gym.
	Yo, toxic, thank you, man.
	Chair 5, be proud and strong and loud.
	What is the 404s are so hating and legitimate?
	It's fucking down.
	Oh, I'm a dude and they're getting sent.
	I just got up from work.
	Don't do that, please.
	Rude.
	Yo, spent 90 bucks just to say that he sent you nudes.
	Well, I think it was a different person that was chair three where the company name of Lululemon came from.
	Oh my god, the racist came.
	Oh, it is.
	I don't know.
	The owner was racist, and he only did it because he was disoriented.
	It's a racist guy.
	I've been where the ladies are.
	Two saborts, stripper, military vet, stabbed in the face, sexual assault, TBI survivor.
	I'm a child of wrath, but saved by grace.
	My perspective is from both sides.
	Thank you for that one, Common.
	Oh my god, I'm so sorry you got stabbed in the face and all that other stuff.
	That's scary.
	Was that genuine?
	Yeah, that's terrifying.
	You got stabbed in the face.
	Pasty George.
	Thank you, Pasty George.
	Appreciate it.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	The sisterhood was triggered again and really triggered.
	I got very triggered.
	Very triggered.
	Well, I get triggered when people are rude.
	So was she rude, though?
	She seemed pretty nice with her.
	I wasn't rude to you until you guys were rude to me.
	Because you're just disrespectful.
	We are just very expressive.
	Very rude.
	I'm disrespectful because I disagree with your question.
	I just sit here and not.
	It's not that you disagree with me.
	Would this be exciting or disrespectful?
	I would actually enjoy that.
	That's your opinion.
	Exactly.
	Brian said this is enjoyable to have this interesting interchangeable.
	No, no, you asked me if you just sat there and were quiet and just not agreed with everything I said.
	I would actually argue with Maren then.
	With me, I'm like, yes, Brian, you're right about everything.
	Right about what?
	I don't know. I forgot.
	You hoes have been doing.
	Don't bile.
	Sisterhood again.
	Thank you, Big Sass.
	Not enforcing.
	I mean, that's hilarious.
	Gross donated $30.
	Chair 1 is going to be a panzer tank within the next year or two.
	I don't know what that means.
	I don't know.
	I guess that's probably mean, so.
	No, I'm not.
	Beaten cheeks.
	Beaten cheeks donated $30.
	I speak for a large part of the demographic when I say this.
	We love women, just not the high-calorie, feminist, CCP type.
	So you don't love women?
	The only thing liberal women are good for Armis Debbie Kramepi specials.
	Okay.
	Yeah, we won't be after him either.
	Uh-oh.
	Fair.
	O.J. Simpson donated $30.
	No, I'm speaking.
	I'm speaking.
	No, I'm speaking.
	No, I'm speaking.
	Do you want to say it one more time?
	No, I'm speaking.
	Thank you.
	We didn't really have a moment like that tonight.
	Like a know-I'm speaking moment.
	There wasn't that moment.
	Well, you didn't interrupt me as many times as Charlie Kirk did straight to my face.
	So we've had him on the show, by the way.
	I wouldn't look him.
	You're a little gun crazy.
	No, I wasn't really.
	Okay, chair one.
	I don't think the sun's real, so I can't get sunburned.
	Lol.
	Never said that.
	I have no clue.
	So I'm trying to think.
	Gun crazed panda.
	Go back to your mom's basement.
	Thank you, Panda.
	Thank you.
	Thank you, Panza.
	Appreciate it.
	Mom's basement.
	Wow, are you noticed driftwood?
	You're gonna let her talk to you like that, bro.
	Six five never apologizes.
	Don't send any more chats.
	I really want to go ahead.
	When degenerates try to force their sick, destructive ideas on society, you fight back at every point.
	The hypocrisy is laughable with digits.
	Bro, you got all the Republicans in love with you, Shawty.
	C5 is base AF.
	The rest of you all sound like a bunch of chicks.
	Cluck harder.
	Wow, good road.
	Thank you, man.
	Thank you.
	Thank you, Ashley.
	Chair 5's worldview is correct.
	Now the sisterhood is tone policing another woman who disagrees or stands in line with them.
	LMFAO.
	Like we said, it's not about them, does it?
	Thank you.
	I like Chair 5.
	Pay attention how Chair 1 cuts her off and doesn't give another woman the same respect that she demands from herself.
	Hypocritical no.
	I also got cut off.
	Paradoxical $119 donated $30.
	Thank you, man.
	Seat 5 base Tay F. Absolutely cooking seats 1, 2, 3, 4.
	Cooking.
	Crushing the doctor.
	Brushing the dark town.
	Tip one, what happened to you?
	Everything you say is so angry and bitter.
	You're a 50-year-old cat lady before even hitting 20.
	I can't wait to be a cat lady.
	Worldbreaker donated $30.
	Prescription for society's women wouldn't be oppressive if the world would be run by women.
	As we are oppressive to a woman who differs from my opinion, congrats you've proven your own theory wrong.
	I'm not being oppressive to her.
	I'm just really saying that she's being oppressive to women in general.
	Aaron, you oppressed I didn't though.
	You oppressed her.
	How?
	However, you did.
	Exactly.
	I did not.
	I literally just said that her opinion is oppressive towards women.
	You mega oppressed her.
	Okay.
	You giga oppressed her.
	You super.
	You want to do one more?
	You super oppressed her.
	One more?
	Let's go.
	Super Saiyan level three oppressed her.
	Okay.
	I wish I did.
	That was a little bossy there from Marin.
	Okay, here we go.
	Dodo Burp.
	Dodo Burp donated 69.
	Dodo Burp.
	Chair 5 is exactly my type.
	The slightly disheveled hair, the calm, cool, and collected attitude.
	I'm sure in time you'll find the perfect man for you if you haven't already.
	You're in a relationship.
	I am in a.
	I am already with my perfect man.
	He's on the very happy.
	Very, very happy.
	You're like pretty much in the longest relationship here at the table.
	Three and a half years.
	Seven years hard.
	You haven't lived a life.
	You haven't.
	It's like you're not in a relationship with her.
	We're going to break up in a couple months.
	Don't worry about it.
	I don't know if he's going to go for more than three and a half years.
	It never works out.
	It's the kid love cheating.
	Okay, police donated $30.
	Chair the second of maybe a Polish 10, but she's an Alabama 5 and California raisin.
	Thank you.
	What am I in like Uzbekistan?
	Am I a 10 in Uzbekistan?
	I think I'm a solid Uzbekistan 10.
	I don't know where that is, but go there and find out talking about it doesn't matter at all.
	They might not even have women there.
	I mean, there's nothing to compare.
	It's a different race.
	Yeah, but I'm Central Asians.
	Okay, then I'm a Kazakhstan 10.
	Where?
	Kazakhstan.
	That's still like Wuzbaki Stan's neighbor.
	I'm not sure.
	I'm a Mongolian 10.
	But still, it's not the same race.
	I'm a Tibetan 10.
	It's all perspective.
	I'm an Azerbaijan 10.
	You're just testing each other's.
	Eyes are cuties and a beholder.
	Yeah.
	Yes.
	Hot cheese soup donated $30.
	Thank you, hot cheese.
	I'll give a hint: it's not empowered women supporting each other, it's single men.
	The difference is that on the whatever podcast, they aren't despised.
	Was that what?
	I can't do it.
	I just not understand it.
	Too small.
	Snapmore donated $29.
	Chair 4, you are right.
	They are because you are pointing out a valid claim.
	These 304s are hopeless.
	Care 2, hide your gun.
	STF you walked to.
	No hope for this generation.
	1 and 4 gaslights.
	I think he meant chair 5, possibly on that.
	Yeah, you definitely met chair 5.
	Thank you, Snapmore.
	Durden 12390 donated $30.
	What is the reason for men to get married?
	So they could cheat.
	That doesn't mean whatever they want.
	That doesn't really trap.
	They could trap a woman and have her stay in the house with the dishes and they could have a life, whatever they do outside of the game.
	Couldn't you cheat on a girl absent marriage?
	They need someone to do the laundry.
	They don't want to do the laundry.
	They don't want to get a maid.
	Well, they want to have girlfriends just to get away from the menu.
	And then they can go out and do whatever they want.
	Trust me, they do.
	The point of marriage for men would probably be so they can have children and have rights to their children, give their children their last name.
	Are you so mad at chair five when the question was literally their responsibilities about themselves?
	I know you're grumpy, but pay attention, fool.
	Chair five is hotter, anyways.
	Whatever.
	She didn't answer for herself, though.
	She answered for all of us.
	How do you feel about that last comment, though, about chair five him saying chair five is hotter?
	That's that's his personal opinion.
	That is just his personal opinion.
	We have everyone can have opinions.
	That is true.
	Yours tone to this girl for sharing her opinion has been disgusting.
	And you're saying the most soft-spoken person here has had a bad tone is beyond hypocritical.
	Y'all should be ashamed of yourselves.
	You spell hypocritical and yourselves wrong.
	Sorry.
	I just don't think you like what she said.
	Her tone sounded fine.
	Her tone to me came off as very, like, honestly, derogatory towards women.
	And that's just how I saw it.
	And if it wasn't meant to be that way, then sorry I heard it wrong.
	It wasn't like she was being like a tone, like aggressive tone.
	It's the things she said, the tone of the words she said.
	Would you characterize it as holier than thou?
	Yes.
	Is that the tone?
	Oh my gosh, yes.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	That's a good way to put it.
	Do you want to repeat the tone, repeat what you said?
	What does that mean?
	It means you think you're holier than we are.
	Like you're just like a better person.
	You think you have better morals?
	Do you think I do agree with the better morals part?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	I'm glad you think that.
	But I do agree that my tone has been pretty normal, and I don't know why you were attacking it.
	What's that noise?
	Hasty George donated $30.
	Thank you, Pasty.
	Chair 1.
	How has Chair 5 been disrespectful to all women?
	Your words.
	She's been disrespectful to all women.
	Guaranteed Trump wouldn't even touch Chair 1.
	He'd sent her Tiger and Sherman tank gingerly to Ukraine.
	Okay.
	I don't know what that is.
	Okay.
	Yikes donated $30.
	Shout out to CGA.
	Care 2 looks like a busted can of Billsbury biscuits.
	I don't know what that means.
	Probably the best.
	Toxic 61 donated $30.
	Care 2, how does it feel sitting directly across from an actual 10LOL?
	I did tell her she said 10 and she didn't even appreciate this.
	She didn't even realize that.
	You said you were a 7 or a 6.
	No, I'm just, I missed that.
	I told her that she said 10, actually.
	I think you're very beautiful.
	Thank you.
	And it takes a lot for us women to look like this, and it's a lot of effort.
	And I appreciate that.
	You think that this is an accident?
	Like, you think, this is premeditated, baby.
	Like, this is...
	Okay, never mind.
	You think your eyebrows...
	I'm being cringe.
	My bad.
	Pasty George donated $30.
	The reason why the whatever podcast states that Chair 5 is based is because her worldview is correct.
	Final call, guys.
	Final call.
	To chairs one to four.
	Stop being oppressive to her and her free speech.
	Last call.
	I'm not letting her talk.
	I'm just saying.
	She's religious, so it makes sense as to why she has her opinions.
	But again, I said, even if I wasn't Christian, I would still think that promiscuity is bad for us.
	And I said, I think, sorry to interrupt.
	I said, I think promiscuity should have been a larger part of our conversation topic, not talking about ancient kings and queens or some of the other bullshit we talked about for eight or nine hours.
	Can I also just say, if you had just said that you think promiscuity is bad for women or whatever, like I would have understood that.
	But it's the way you were like, all these women go to the gym in a sports bra and they complain that men are doing this.
	Like they're so whatever.
	It's the way you said it and it made me feel very uncomfortable.
	I'm sorry I made you feel uncomfortable, but I don't actually mean that was a joke.
	But my first statement was that promiscuity is bad.
	And then I went into more detail as to why it's bad and why women think that they are able to just say like, oh, I'm such a victim when they're dressed like three of Os.
	I think we don't know where that came from.
	That's why Maren was sort of questioning you because it seemed like you just brought it up for no reason.
	I didn't question you.
	I brought it up because that was the role that I think that woman should.
	But it wasn't about all women.
	It was what role do you think you have for yourself?
	So you could have just answered it for yourself, but you decided to answer it for all women by saying that all women should not be bad for dressing promiscuously, pointing her out and using us as examples.
	It was rude.
	So you asked me for my opinion on you.
	How is that rude?
	You gave your opinion on her without her asking.
	Do you think I'm dressed promiscuously?
	Yes.
	I'm definitely dressed promiscuously.
	I've got a little skirt that covers everything.
	I mean, Brian literally had to ask you to cover up.
	I'm literally in shorts that go past my knees right now.
	And I'm wearing a shirt under my shirt because it's too booby.
	I didn't know we're living in Pennsylvania.
	And I'm sorry I have big tits.
	Yeah, can you give us some towels, Brian, so we can cover us up?
	You know what?
	I actually have some burgers.
	It might be better.
	Sorry, I forgot my money costume.
	I'll just start wearing burgers from now on.
	The single worst actor.
	Oh, Sarah, contaminated your eyes.
	They'll still.
	My eyes?
	No, clever things.
	This is too revealing.
	OJ Simpson donated $30.
	I am overly emotional and not listening to anything anybody says because no, I am speaking.
	Also, chair two, we all know it's stank.
	OJ Simpson, thank you for the message.
	Thank you for the message.
	Appreciate it.
	Big sass energy donated $30.
	Imagine policing the most monotone delivery in the history of the show.
	Such county behavior from chair one.
	You lost.
	You nasty.
	There is no winning and losing in a conversation.
	Defaunger underscore clo5e donated $30.
	Chair one, two, three, four.
	All are the mainstream opinions.
	Take the red pill like chair five has.
	We all had different opinions this whole time.
	I take the pink pill, please.
	I don't understand.
	I don't do that.
	Really quick, guys.
	Guys, if you enjoyed the stream, like the video.
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	There's 1,200 people watching.
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	Drop us a Prime if you have one.
	Guys, it's 18 minutes.
	I think it's bugged.
	It's been 18 minutes since the last time we got a Prime sub.
	I do think it's bugged.
	Yo, Dream, thank you for the follow.
	Galaxy, thank you for the follow.
	Mr. Voldiaz.
	Voldez, I don't know how to pronounce it.
	Thank you for the Prime, man.
	Really appreciate it.
	All right, we have these soup chats.
	Then hopefully these should be chair one: mid-typical feminist.
	Chair two is a low-class but desperate wannabe.
	Chair three talks but no substance.
	Chair four needs to learn to S-T-H-U and listen.
	Chair five, are your views real or is it an act?
	Absolutely real.
	Okay, dummy thick.
	Chair one, respect to the consistency.
	Do you come from a debate background?
	I do not.
	I have no clue what I'm doing.
	I think that's clear.
	And I did not know I was going to be debating today at all.
	Okay.
	We have John Veliquet.
	Chair five answers.
	And if the others disagree, they respond with insults and hypocrisy.
	W chair five.
	John, thank you for the soup chat.
	I do appreciate it.
	We have Riptor with a big 50.
	Thank you, man.
	Chair five, chair one, excuse me.
	Women will never be in power because they orient their life around the idea of being comfortable.
	Men instinctively embrace and normalize discomfort as opposed to running from it.
	And the simple reason is why they will always be on top.
	Okay.
	from riptor your top okay thank you for that Oh, we have another one coming in here.
	Chair one, you're in for a big awakening in life.
	I don't think you're open to having your views changed.
	Chair five, super, super based.
	Forget about chair one.
	She's bitter.
	Much love, Brian and Crucible.
	No Andrew tonight.
	Yet no Andrew tonight, but I think we'll get a call in eventually.
	I do have an interesting guest coming next Sunday.
	He's going to be making his first time appearance.
	Pretty big, getting a pretty big following on YouTube.
	He was on Joe Rogan pretty recently.
	So we do have an interesting guest coming on June next Sunday.
	So be sure to tune in for that, guys.
	Like the video if you enjoyed the stream.
	If there are any more coming through, we do have one more here from Streamlabs.
	You can try to get a final one in here at the end here.
	Streamlabs.com/slash whatever, Ashley.
	Ashko, Ashley.
	C1, your smug attitude tonight was disrespectful.
	I meant what I said earlier.
	In my house, you would be so grounded right after I dogwalked you to your room.
	Her behavior would see the back of my hand.
	And your back of your hand would be something way worse from me because don't lay a hand on me, you freak.
	Ooh, Ashley, she called you freak.
	You're gonna let her.
	Is a freak.
	She'd dogwalk me to my room and ground me, please.
	Kinky.
	To be fair, Marin is six.
	She is six foot tall.
	I could beat your ass.
	And she's built out of muscle steel and.
	Oh, God.
	Can we move on?
	Sorry, what?
	I'm trying to say something nice to Marin at the end of the screen.
	No, he wasn't.
	It's not coming off that way.
	The context is: this lady was saying she's going to beat up Marin, and I'm like, hold on.
	Marin's like, she's six feet.
	And you said she's made out of steel.
	That's a compliment to be made of.
	Look at the double bicep from Marin there at the end.
	Fucking guns blazing at the end here.
	Okay, Pacy George, he says.
	Oh, my God, bro.
	Pacity George donated $30.
	Wait, can you guys roast me?
	Roast me for like 30 seconds.
	Pacy George only wants to glaze you.
	Your feelings don't matter and only come off as entitled and depressive.
	Your feelings don't matter.
	Constitutional rights.
	Yeah, I wasn't listening.
	Sorry, Pacey George.
	I don't care.
	He's had so many ups.
	I heard it.
	He just said so many things at this late time.
	Thank you, Pacey.
	Over and over again.
	Final roast, roast me.
	Final roast, roast me.
	No, they're going to roast me.
	No, no, no.
	Final roast, roast me.
	The girls, they got me.
	Can I roast you?
	Nope.
	I don't feel like I've been roasted at all.
	Shit, they only said that you look like a cold roast.
	They told me I need to shut the heck up and listen.
	Like, oh, so, so mean.
	Wait, you want to roast?
	Do you want to be roasted?
	Yes, I'm down to get roasted.
	Give me your best shot.
	Wait, guys, please.
	No, I want to.
	I've been bored.
	We've talked about her almost the whole time.
	Yeah, hello.
	She says a couple things and it causes a stir-fry.
	When really, I just said we should have been talking about that more.
	I know I was falling asleep, for real.
	Yeah, because Lynn.
	Oh, Lynn, on your Instagram bio, it says you plead guilty to being fabulous.
	Why not?
	I love that.
	I was just curious about it.
	Oh, Natalie, Natalia Starr.
	There's a couple tweets you wrote.
	We're not going to pull it up, but I'm just going to blast through them.
	$30 TTS, guys, if you want to get in and roast me.
	You wrote on your Twitter, is it weird that you're super into fingering men?
	Oh.
	I like to do anything.
	Excuse me.
	I like butt play.
	I like to have a butt play.
	Disgusting.
	I like to do a lot of things.
	I like to leave.
	Whoa.
	Okay, calm down.
	You said you're hopeless romantic.
	After your gangbang, you want to be brought flowers.
	Okay.
	Something I would tweet.
	You also said, ladies, how do you feel about a man who doesn't eat poon poom?
	Gay, question mark?
	That's what you wrote.
	You wrote that you were just like, that's.
	Yeah, that's true.
	Is it a deal breaker?
	Just show of hands.
	Is it a deal breaker if the guy won't go down on you?
	I mean, it's disrespectful.
	Deal breaker, really, Lynn.
	Really, Lynn?
	It's a deal breaker?
	Sort of.
	Yeah.
	If you never reciprocate.
	I just felt like I have to throw up for like two hours.
	Well, if you do, do a dumb stream.
	Just continue to do it.
	Yeah, I will.
	I've had this cup empty.
	And I'm just waiting.
	Nobody ever brought us more water.
	You were supposed to beckon at Felicity.
	You're supposed to be like, excuse me, slave girl.
	Go and get me some water.
	And you have to do it in like that pause.
	Please.
	Excuse me.
	They're all too shy, but like, I want something to do.
	You also wrote small dick energy ramen noodle looking ass.
	What does that even mean?
	What does that mean?
	Ramen noodle looking ass.
	This is when you have soft, you can't get hard and you're like, oh.
	You're a noodle.
	But I do take offense to this term, small dick energy, because I think, you know, look, I think I'll take.
	Sorry, interrupting.
	Sorry for interrupting.
	Look, I'll say why.
	I'll say why.
	Look, I think we shouldn't shame people for things that are out of their control.
	We shouldn't shame people.
	No, you don't get control.
	There's a way to inject your pee-pee to make it bigger.
	They have those surgeries.
	Yes, my friend has got that.
	No, yes, there are those surgeries, but I don't think men should get those surgeries.
	I'm also against, like, if a woman has a large labia, I don't think that she should chop that shit off.
	I was about to say, aren't you into that?
	My friend said that earlier.
	That's almost amazing.
	A big labia.
	Didn't you say that you like that?
	I do.
	That's why I'm saying women shouldn't get the surgery to get rid of it because, but besides just my own personal preferences with dating, I do think it is unfortunate.
	And I'm being serious here.
	I know sometimes I tend to joke, but it is an unfortunate state of affairs that, and I want to caveat this.
	Some women do have like discomfort with it, and they can't, you know, so they're, but discomfort in the terms of physical discomfort, but a lot of women do it for purely cosmetic reasons.
	And I don't think it's a good state of affairs that people feel so self-conscious with their physical appearance anywhere on their body that they feel the need to undergo dangerous and unnecessary surgical procedures to fix something that really shouldn't be an issue.
	But with the small dick energy thing, I want to run a couple terms by you.
	What do you think about cavernous vagina energy?
	What does that mean?
	Well, you know, small dick energy.
	So cavernous, like a cavern.
	Oh, like big vagina?
	Like the vaginal canal is cavernous.
	I feel like we use this.
	We use this as a word to insult women who we felt were unacceptable in some way.
	So small dick energy.
	That hurts your feelings.
	The small dick energy hurts your feelings.
	That's your personal problem.
	Right, but I feel like I couldn't get away.
	Like men could not get away with like small titty.
	She got small tick energy.
	They say that all of them are.
	Small dick energy refers to lack of competitive lack of swagger.
	Like insecurity.
	It has nothing to do with their actual dick size.
	Exactly.
	But you're saying.
	Whereas big dick energy is like some guy who's super confident, really like knows what he wants and is not afraid to go get it.
	Small dick energy is like being a pussy, which you could say is like being a vagina.
	What?
	But it's an insult.
	That is.
	Okay, whatever.
	I'm not going to linger on the.
	Look, cavernous vagina energy.
	We all use slur words differently depending on where you're from.
	I love that for you.
	Chair one, even Brian can easily toss you through the window.
	Wait, why even?
	Stop talking nonsense.
	Okay.
	What are you trying to say?
	Pacy George, I could easily whoop your ass.
	Pacy George is only saying that because he's probably like under 5'7.
	Pacy George, I'll tell you.
	Okay.
	Big Sass Energy.
	Big Sass Energy donated $30.
	It's more believable that Ray Childe Laisale was black than that.
	Chair 4 will ever happily be in a relationship.
	Insufferable.
	Okay.
	We have Pacy George.
	Yes, Pacy.
	Pasty George.
	We'll get her back.
	We'll get Paisy George.
	Chair 5 had more chances to speak on this panel because I wanted to hear more about her non-degenerate world views.
	Instead, we got the idiotic feminist ideologies from the other chairs.
	We'll get her back.
	All right, Pacey George, thank you, man.
	I appreciate it.
	Conflict-oriented donated $30.
	Don't feel sorry for me being stabbed.
	She was an illegal immigrant who stabbed me in the face while speaking.
	On my birthday Corona bottle.
	Smirking face emoji.
	Bring me on.
	I'm base.
	Thank you, man.
	Appreciate it.
	All right, guys.
	That's it for the show.
	If there's any that, like, trickle through, I'll get them.
	But oh, yeah, yeah.
	Stay seed for just a sec, guys, while we run through this.
	Wait, do you do sex work?
	Like OnlyFans or no?
	I hold the camera.
	I produce and shoot content.
	I work with sex workers.
	I'm a sex work advocate.
	A lot of my friends are sex workers.
	Okay.
	Well, I do like to always, at the end of the show, do a call to action by seeing if we can't use this moment as an opportunity to give you a call to action.
	Would you consider stopping sex work entirely tonight?
	I stopped five years in 2019, so I just got back recently in December.
	Would you consider stopping your soul?
	You mean that I don't have a soul because I do this?
	No, you do have a soul, but your soul must be saved.
	No.
	Okay, I tried.
	I tried.
	I have a soul, and it's definitely enjoying everything I'm doing.
	I do a lot of work.
	I meditate.
	I do breath work.
	I've done yoga retreats.
	I've done ayahuasca.
	I've done my work for me.
	I really like it.
	Slay queen.
	Yeah, slay.
	I did slay the dragon.
	And I know who I am, and I know my worth.
	And I will never get disrespected by men ever again.
	I've dated poor guys.
	I've dated rich guys.
	I've dated guys who hit me.
	I've dated all that shit.
	I know I worked out and I will never settle for anything that is what I want.
	And I will never do laundry for a man.
	Okay.
	Perfect.
	Good to know.
	Good to know.
	Okay, GG.
	Well played.
	To the panel.
	Last call.
	Hit the like button, please, on your way out.
	Thank you for tuning in tonight.
	You could have been anywhere in the world, but you were here with me.
	Wow.
	I appreciate that.
	Thank you to everyone who so generously super chats, donates, and supports the show.
	This show is viewer supported.
	We couldn't do it without you guys.
	So thank you guys so much.
	You guys are freaking legends.
	You guys are all of you.
	He's a pioneer.
	And thank you, everybody who watches, of course.
	We will be live again Sunday, 5 p.m. Pacific.
	We've got a very interesting first-time guest appearance.
	Sunday, any girls who want to be on the show, you can DM out whatever on Instagram.
	If you can make it to Santa Barbara, and also if you guys need help with laundering your money, Lynn does offer.
	Nope, that's against the ethical rule.
	Lynn does not offer money laundering services, only honest work.
	She has no complaints with the California bar.
	Are you licensed in any other California?
	Just California.
	Okay.
	All right.
	I do federal too.
	Reach out to Lynn if you need any, you know, if any criminal defense.
	Nope, I don't do criminal defense.
	She will defend you if you committed any murders in the Los Angeles area.
	She only, she exclusively defends.
	I'm just kidding.
	Okay.
	All right.
	I would need to make a clarification.
	Yes, if you need any help with optimizing your financial position in terms of maximizing your tax savings, either it's through corporate restructuring or through other tax planning strategies, you can reach out to me.
	Or if you're in trouble with IRS or franchise tax board, I'm also the person to go to.
	But right now, there's no spin-off series of Better Call Lynn, but hopefully in a couple years.
	That's good.
	There you go.
	I actually probably need to ask you a question about some tax stuff after the show.
	Okay, got a retainer agreement.
	Okay, Lynn.
	All right.
	Pasty George, final thing.
	Pasty George donated 30.
	That's a nice message.
	Thank you.
	I want to thank the whole panel for showing up to this episode.
	Thank you, brother.
	Have a good night.
	Yo, Pasty, I hope you have a good night.
	Thank you for having us.
	07s.
	07s in the chat.
	I want to see it.
	Blast in the chat.
	07s in the chat.
	I hope you guys have a wonderful night.
	Oh, bro.
	Fucking Daniel.
	Okay, pull pull up.
	Chair one, do you really hate men that much that you're that jaded?
	Also, looking at your hands, you don't wrangle a thing except your dumb views.
	You're lucky Andrew was not there, man.
	Daniel, freaking, of course, an Australian is gonna just we were ending it on a good note.
	He's got to come in.
	Uh, Andrew's not there.
	Also, 1v1 debate with Chair One and Miss Wilson.
	Would you debate his wife?
	No, I don't.
	All right, fair enough.
	Okay, thank you guys.
	Like the video, please.
	And let me just double-check.
	Okay, we're all good.
	07's in the chat.
	Good night, guys.

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