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Andrew Wilson CLASHES With Boss Babe Conservative Feminist Girls?! HEATED Debate! | Dating Talk #238

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So I'm going to, the reason we started a little late, guys, I apologize.
We had a pre-show quit.
I don't know if it was a rage quit.
Maybe I shouldn't call it a rage quit.
I was nervous.
It was like a coward quit.
Maybe a cow.
I don't know.
Pre-show rage.
It wasn't a rage quit.
It was kind of shaky.
Yeah.
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I do apologize once again for the delayed start.
With that said, without further ado, we're going to have the guests introduce themselves.
So please tell us your name, age, occupation, where you're from, and your education.
Go ahead.
Okay, so number one, I lost my voice because I had a little too much fun at the bar yesterday.
But I know, sorry, sorry.
Very professional.
Anyways.
You were talking plenty before the show.
I actually was not.
Not too much.
Not too much.
I was.
I was a little yapping.
You were a yap-o-matic five years ago.
Yeah, yeah.
Usually, usually I am yapping.
And it sucks right now that my voice sucks.
So, because usually I love talking.
But I'm a writer.
I am originally from, I guess, like, the IE, the... Inland Empire?
Yes.
Okay.
Okay.
Age?
Yeah.
I'm just kidding.
Anyways, I'm 25.
I'm a bartender.
I kind of just picked up bartending as like a who cares kind of thing during COVID.
And then it just worked out because money is great.
So.
Okay.
All right.
And any college or anything like that?
Yeah.
Yeah.
I ended up doing criminology.
I only have the bachelor's and never went back for master's.
Kind of sucks you can't do much in a criminology major, which only the bachelor's.
So you got your bachelor's?
Yeah, that's it, though.
Okay.
Is it a bachelor of art or science?
Bachelor of Science.
Bachelor of Science in Criminology?
Yes.
Okay.
All right, cool.
What about you?
Awesome.
My name is Maddie.
I am 22 and from Utah.
And then I am a senior in college with a finance degree.
All right.
I'm just a student for now.
Which college did you go to?
U of you.
UVU.
Okay.
And you said you have a finance degree or you're working on it?
Hopefully in the next few weeks, it'll be completed.
Okay, and so you're getting your bachelor's in finance.
Yep.
Okay.
Do you work?
Do you have a job?
I do real estate part of the time.
Okay.
And you're from Utah, Salt Lake City?
Uh-huh.
Okay.
Are you Mormon or?
No, not Mormon.
Okay.
But didn't they like rebrand?
Let's skip this.
They're called the Church of Jesus Christ.
Okay, Mary?
They're called the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
I am a member.
Oh, you're Mormon.
Well, not Mormon, Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, but thank you.
But it's a sect of Christianity.
Yes.
It's Mormonism.
At least with the Mormon.
That's the Mormon position.
We officially changed the name because we want to include Jesus Christ in the title and make that clear that that's the center of our church.
Well, they changed.
Okay.
You changed the name because there was a lot of really bad history associated with Mormonism and they didn't want the reputational damage.
That's why.
No, because we chose to make sure it was clear that we made Jesus Christ the center of our church.
No, it's because they were diddling little kids in your temple.
That's right.
And because of that, they wanted to change the reputation of the Mormon church.
That's why it happened because in Utah, there was sex, which were marrying underage children and everything else, and it was awful, god-awful, what was going on.
There was a bad reputation.
I urge you to go to the church's official website and actually look into what they say about that because they do a drink.
Look up official Mormon history and how god-awful it is within their various sects.
You know, every religion is pretty awful.
Every religion?
Not like that one.
Actually, pretty bad.
Human sacrifices, you know, that type of thing.
We're talking about like the Mayans?
Yeah, can you tell me in the 20th century where Christians were doing human sacrifice?
I'm not saying Christians are doing that.
It was completely appropriate to have six underage wives, and that was in the sect of Mormonism beside Mainstream Christianity.
I am seriously urging you to look up exactly what it says on the church's official page.
And they address all these issues.
I'm not here to debate my religion.
I'm just telling you to look it up on the church's official page.
If you really want to debate this, you can debate it with my father.
He was a bishop.
I'm happy to do so.
Bring him on.
I would be happy to debate the theology of Mormonism and the history of the Church of Mormonism.
Andrew, we had a rage quit before the show.
Let's maybe.
All right, all right.
Like, I'm not going to.
Hit the brakes.
I'm not going to quit.
I'm not.
All right.
Okay.
What about you?
Oh, sorry.
Okay.
So I'm Lydia.
I'm the spokesperson for Students for Life of America.
I am 22 years old and I graduated from Campbell University in December.
What did you major in or what was your business administration?
Business administration.
Okay, got it.
All right.
And you currently live where again, sorry?
I live in North Carolina.
North Carolina.
Okay, you grew up there or?
I was actually born in San Jose, but grew up near Charlotte for most of my life and am here in California for some speaking events.
All right.
Go ahead.
What about you?
My name is Natalie.
I am from Seattle area.
I'm a student.
I'm 22.
And I go to the UVU.
Okay.
And what did you get your degree in?
Sorry, Arden?
Are you still working on it?
Yes.
Hopefully three more weeks.
Same as her.
So marketing with emphasis and sales.
Sorry, marketing and marketing with an emphasis in sales.
Marketing with an emphasis in sales.
The marketing.
Okay.
All right.
What about you?
So my name is Lauren.
I'm 32.
I am a courtesan at the Moonlight Bunny Ranch.
I'm a musician, and I'm a hobbyist student.
I know that sounds really weird, but I don't plan on being a hypnotherapist, but I'm in hypnotherapy school to get my degree, and just I'm using it for my life.
So that's, I know it sounds weird.
I'll pay the tuition, but I just, it's helpful.
And I don't know where I'm going to go other than the music, but that, that's what I'm doing right now.
All right.
Welcome.
Back.
Good to have you back.
What about you?
Hi, my name is Haley Smith.
I am 21.
I'm from Stockton.
I currently milk cows at the Fresno State Dairy, and I am getting my bachelor's in animal science to be a large animal veterinarian.
Beautiful.
Okay, all right.
Welcome.
Back.
Welcome.
What about you?
Hi, my name is Caitlin.
I am 21.
I do data entry online, and I'm opening my own pet store.
Okay.
Where are you from?
Colorado Springs.
Any college or anything like that?
Nope.
Just got my GED.
Well, not just, but I got my GED.
All right.
What about you?
My name is Abigail.
I am 21.
I live in Washington, and I'm currently a teacher's assistant at an early learning childhood center.
Okay, great.
All right.
Well, we're going to go around the table once more.
What is everybody's current relationship status?
If you're single, how long have you been single?
And what's the longest relationship you've ever been in?
Go ahead.
I am single and freshly single.
So yeah, okay, not too fresh.
Maybe like a month or so.
We'll see it.
But yeah, I mean, that's it.
Nothing too much to it.
I mean, I have a favorite ex, I guess, but that's it.
You know, I mean, it's real.
When did it end?
Like a month or yeah, like, yeah, a month.
So you've been single for a month?
Longest relationship?
Yeah, longest relationship.
Seven years.
Seven years.
Is that the one that ended a month ago?
No, that was like a high school going to college.
Yeah.
So, your favorite ex is not your most recent ex, right?
Yeah.
Oh, it is.
We were just on and off all the time.
And it was kind of like a thing that it was like, why are we arguing so much?
Like, we should just kind of, if we're arguing more of the time than we're actually celebrating, like, our time together, like, might as well just go out.
You still have your life.
You're 27.
I'm 25.
Like, go experience whatever you want to experience.
So we could just maybe if it's meant to be, you know, then that's it.
But other than that, no.
You know, like, I can't hold down.
Like, I don't own a person.
So.
Would you take him back now?
At the moment, with like where he's at, probably not.
Just because he has things to work on and I have things to work on.
And not to say, like, I'm too involved in a relationship when I start dating.
So, like, until I feel like I have the time and everything.
But until then, like, honestly, I don't have the time.
I just got another dog.
So I'm just like, it's too much.
It's too much.
So.
So, wait, just to be clear, your seven-year relationship is the one that ended.
No.
Okay.
That one was a high school from sophomore year all the way until I finished college.
Okay, so the relationship that ended a month ago, how long was that relationship?
On and off-wise, we knew each other since 2022 because we would break up and then get back together and then break up and then get back together.
It's like three years.
Yeah, so.
Okay.
So how many times was it on again, off again?
I don't know.
I don't know.
I didn't want to drop the bomb, but yeah, I don't know.
It was just like we would fight.
So we would be like, okay, I'm done.
And it was like, okay, then you broke up.
Like, we broke up.
And then we would go to like no contact.
And then it was like, we would talk again.
And then it was like, oh, we should try this out.
It sounds healthy.
It was not healthy.
And that's why you let it go.
If it's not healthy, that's exactly right.
For real time, you're actually letting him go.
Yeah, yeah.
That's why, like, yeah, yeah.
And especially just because, like, I was always, I guess I would say I was manipulated, but I was not.
It's just the point of like, I start to have too much empathy and I put their feelings above mine.
And then when I stop like concerning about myself, like I stop concerning about work, I stop, it's just like that point where I'm like, until I feel like you could like fully provide, we're going to get married, we're going to have kids, we're not going to deal with lies, we're not going to deal with issues, and we have a very healthy standpoint, maybe we'll get back together.
But until then, no.
Okay, so it's maybe been, what, a dozen times that it's yeah, more than a dozen.
Dozen times 12.
Yeah, let's, okay.
So you've only been apart for a month.
Yeah.
Okay, so you guys are probably going to get back together then.
Oh, no.
Right now we're on no contact.
Fully, fully contacted.
I'm blocking.
Have you been on no contact before?
Not like that, I guess.
I guess this time we did it like amicably.
Like we kind of just like looked at each other and we kind of were just crying and I was like, I don't need this.
Like and you don't need this either.
Like we don't need this.
And yeah, we said our goodbyes and I haven't looked and he hasn't looked for me.
So until then.
Yeah, you guys will probably get back together.
But have you had a rebound?
No, not yet.
Not yet.
Have you before?
Before?
I mean, after my high school relationship, I mean, I did, but then again, I was also like freshly like 18, 19.
So then I was like, but I mean, my frontal lobe was not developed.
So I can't blame that.
Okay.
And your seven-year relationship, who ended that one?
He did.
He got somebody else pregnant.
Oh, man.
Nice.
Congratulations.
Yeah.
That's great.
Did you stay with him?
No, I did not.
After that.
After the pregnancy.
Yeah.
But he cheated on you before then?
I mean, obviously, it took nine months.
So.
Yeah.
Okay.
All right.
What about you?
I am single for the last six months.
So just came out of a two-year relationship.
That's been my longest, but I've had a couple others that are about that length.
All right.
You've had, okay.
So you've had like maybe two or three relationships that were about two years.
Yeah.
Yeah, that's fair.
Okay.
Was it two?
Was it three?
No, they're probably, the last one was two.
There's been 1.5.
There's been some shorter ones.
But has it been three relationships, four relationships of that length?
How many?
Oh, I would say two.
Two.
Okay.
Yeah.
Who broke up with who in the most recent one?
It was kind of mutual.
There's just some life differences, difference of opinion, and couldn't really be worked out.
Okay.
And what about the, I guess, the first one then?
Who broke up with who?
That was.
Ooh, that was hard.
That one was pretty mutual as well.
It was just really failing and just had to go our separate ways.
Okay.
You've been single for six months.
That was a two-year, the two-year relationship, though, right?
That was the one where there was a mismatch of values, or how did you frame it?
Values, yeah.
I would say so.
Just timeline.
People wanted to get married sooner than others.
And I'm kind of really big on just finishing out school, getting into a career, and really getting settled down before making huge life decisions and just not wanting to jump into that.
So he, how old was he?
23.
23.
And you were 22 or maybe 21.
Yeah.
So he wanted to get married.
Yeah.
He wanted to have kids.
And you didn't.
Is that correct?
You wanted to finish college?
Well, no, but I understand you want to have kids down the road, but at the specific time, you're going to have to go.
Yeah, it was all a little too fast for me for the time.
Too fast.
Besides his lack or the misalignment when it came to timeline as to relationship milestones, getting married, having kids, what was there any, I guess, was there anything else mismatch there in the relationship?
Probably just religious differences.
Okay, was he like a Muslim or what was he?
No, he's just a different kind of Christian.
And I just, we didn't have the same walk with that.
Sure.
What?
We're both pretty strong in our beliefs.
So what denomination are you?
I'm just Christian or non-denominational.
Okay, and what was he?
He's LDS.
Oh, Mormon.
Okay.
All right.
There you go.
Okay, there it is.
It's going to be a Mormon conversation.
We're going to be talking about Mormonism tonight, folks.
Mormonism.
Okay.
But I assume you knew he was a Mormon when you first met him, right?
Was that like, I mean, is that non-negotiable for you?
Like, they have to be non-denominational or could they be like Catholic?
Could they be Orthodox?
No, I just, I think we both realize we just really want somebody that's going to walk the same walk with Christ.
And we just view a lot of those things differently with the religious structures.
And there's a lot of covenants and things you make in that religion that can be, I just didn't feel truthful.
I didn't get my answer from God yet.
So I don't really want to dive too much more into it.
But yeah, it was mutual.
Sure.
Wish him the best.
Okay.
God hit.
Yeah.
Okay.
I guess I suppose that makes sense.
Difference of values when it came to religion and timeline.
Now, when you say that you want to finish out college and get jump-started in your career, do you have a sense of when you would like to be married and start having kids?
No, it's all up to God's timing.
I don't really feel any pressure or rush.
Well, sure.
Let's say you met a guy today and you guys dated for one year.
You got engaged.
You got married a year later.
You're 24.
You finished college at this point.
You've done some of your career.
Let's say your husband is fairly well off.
Maybe he makes $150,000 a year.
Would you, and he's like, but I want to start having kids now.
Do you want to continue pursuing your career or would you like to have kids at 24?
I actually believe you could do both.
So I definitely grew up with a mother working in the home, and that's something that I really admire.
And so while I think that being a wife and mother is super important, I believe at the same time, if you want to do both, you can.
I definitely see myself taking a few years off of work as a young mother, but I love my career.
I like finance, and so I'm super interested in still pursuing that.
And remind me, your career, you said real estate, and with finance, I know that you can do a couple different things with that.
But primarily, real estate is your focus.
So selling houses.
Let's say your husband made $500,000 a year, so you didn't need to work.
And he told you, I don't want you to work.
I want you to stay at home.
I don't want to ship our kids off to daycare.
I want you to stay home, take care of the kids, take care of me, take care of the household, stop working.
Do you?
I think that would less be of a necessity.
I wouldn't need to work, but I think that I would enjoy.
I do enjoy working.
I do enjoy my business relationship.
So even if it was 500K, I would probably still do the amount of work that was meaningful for me without sacrificing my children.
What I mean, so what amount of work would that be?
I mean, you'd work 20 hours a week, 30 hours a week?
I mean, I work in sales, so I can delegate things as I need to.
I can run a team remotely.
And so it's not really like a huge hindrance to me, I guess, the thought of working.
So would you have your kids in daycare?
No, nannies.
Nannies?
Yeah.
I had probably 10 or 12 nannies growing up, and it was a great experience.
Yeah, 10.
Do you think that's God's plan?
That you have your kids get raised by nannies?
No, I don't think it's the worst alternative.
I think having a mother in the home at least 80% of the time is super important.
But I also saw the value of like, hey, being an active parent is more important than being a present parent 100% of the time.
So to me, a thoughtful relationship, thoughtful time with your kids, and like really being invested in their lives is more important than being there 105% of the time, just there.
Well, you can't be invested if you're not there.
Can I also ask?
I didn't disagree on that.
Go ahead, Abigail.
To go off of your answer to his question, do you not believe in a wife submitting to her husband's leadership?
Because if your husband is telling you, I don't want you to work and you're going to work anyway, that goes against biblical teachings.
Wouldn't you agree?
Yeah, I think it just comes down to situation.
Every family has to make their own decisions based off of finances, based off of the situation.
You will talk to your husband before you get married, figure out, you know, what do we see life looking like together.
And that's a conversation you can have.
So I don't think it has to come down to biblical frameworks every single time we live in a modern world that has to account for that.
Interesting.
Do you have more on that, Abigail?
Yeah, I do disagree.
I think it can be black and white because it's pretty specific in the Bible that you are to submit to a husband's leadership.
You can have that conversation in the beginning and say your husband says, you know, it's okay for you to work.
And then, like you said, situations change.
Thank you.
Situations change.
And say he is seeing that you're not giving enough time to the kids in his eyes.
And so now he doesn't want you to work.
Is that something that you'd be able to respect in the man that you chose?
Okay.
I think it's always like a continued conversation of like, hey, like, how is mothership going?
I obviously don't have kids right now, so I can't tell you what's in their best interest because they do not exist.
But down the road, I could totally see myself like, hey, my two-year-old, like, I need to spend more time.
Like, absolutely.
Here's what we're going to do.
This is, it's an interesting conversation.
I want to get everybody introduced with their relationship, but we'll come back to this topic because we'll come right back to it after we get everybody's relationship status.
So what about you?
I am married.
I got married in July.
Congratulations.
Congrats.
We have champagne pop.
Because you were on the show before.
I know, I was engaged.
And you were not.
You were dating.
It was the same guy, right?
Oh, yeah.
Of course.
Guys, we need a little champagne pop for.
Yeah.
Hey, look, jeez.
We got to celebrate.
Cheers and water.
But okay, so you guys are married, though, right?
What?
We are?
Yes, we're married.
You're married.
Yes, we're married.
Okay, cool.
And he's my longest relationship.
So we met in 2020 when I was in high school and stayed together.
Did long distance for a little bit while I was in college.
And then he actually moved to the area near me.
And yeah, now we're married.
It's great.
He's the best.
All right.
Cool.
What about you?
I have been single for, I think, two and a half years now.
And then my longest relationship was a little bit over a year.
All right.
And you said you've been single for two and a half years.
What the heck?
Who broke?
Who ended the one-year relationship?
It was pretty mutual as well.
We both kind of just decided it.
Was he Mormon?
He wasn't actually anymore.
Are you Mormon?
I'm not.
I'm not the Church of Latter-day Saints.
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
Non-denominational.
Yeah, I grew up in assemblies of God, churches, and non-denom.
Non-denom.
You're Christian too, right?
Yes.
What denominational children?
I go to non-denominational church.
Non-denominational.
Okay.
Got it.
Are you religious or not?
I did not grow up in a religious household.
So I explored.
I mean, after that, I started kind of just going to Christian church afterwards.
And then I was like, I do fuck with it.
Oops, sorry.
I don't mean to say it like that.
Yeah.
But I liked it.
And I, so then afterwards, I just so, but I am not like the craziest Christian.
So yeah.
Fair enough.
Relationship status.
Me, I'm, I'm single.
I've been single, I think like three and a half years.
I say three and a half years, technically single, maybe like 2.75 years because like we we opened the relationship.
He was dating actually someone else.
But that was cool.
I opened, I opened it.
I just think after, and just, yeah, like after I got MS, I think things changed.
He didn't, he didn't leave me at all, but I think that I had different desires.
And I think he had different desires too.
So I opened the relationship for a year.
He, you know, did that.
I was cool with it.
And then after like that one year, I was like, you know, I think we should just, you know, break up.
You're kind of with somebody and, you know, it's cool.
So we broke up and yeah, it was kind of mutual.
We both knew it was just a sign of times.
Okay.
All right.
What about you?
I've been in a relationship for about a year and a half.
And this is my longest relationship.
All right.
Were you in a relationship when you were last on the show?
Yes.
Same guy, right?
Same relationship, yes.
All right.
What about you?
I am not in a relationship, and I've never been in a relationship.
Okay, you're single?
Well, yeah, duh.
Have you been on like dates or anything like that?
I've gone past, I haven't gone past the second date with somebody.
Second base?
You haven't gone?
Date.
Oh, dates.
Sorry.
No bases.
No bases.
Zero.
Wait, zero bases?
Basically, zero bases, except for when I was 14.
That was the last and only time I've ever kissed someone.
Okay, so you got one kiss.
One kiss.
And it was a bad situation.
It was a bad kiss.
He was 18.
Oh, turning 19.
Okay, wait, go over to hell.
I didn't mean to.
He moda birded me.
He went in my throat.
It was disgusting, and I hated that.
I'm traumatized.
Oh, that sounds true.
It was a bad kiss.
It was a denomination.
So, wait, you're.
Okay, so you're a virgin, correct?
Yes.
Okay.
And do we have, is this a virgin panel, I feel like?
Sure.
Yeah, okay, Laura.
Virgin?
No.
Virgin?
It doesn't.
Yeah, I am.
Oh.
I'm waiting.
Not like born again, though.
No, yeah, I've been waiting until marriage.
Virgin.
Okay.
All right.
I respect that.
Cool.
All right.
Rock and roll.
All right.
What about you?
I am married.
I've been married for two years now.
All right.
Married for two years.
Rock and roll.
And are you Christian?
Of course.
Okay.
What denomination?
I just follow Christ, so I guess you could say non-denominational.
Okay, and then you're Christian too, right?
Yeah, I grew up non-denominational, but I've been researching the Orthodox Church, so I'm leaning that way for sure.
Well, Andrew here is a, Andrew's an Orthodox Christian, so you got any questions?
He's your guy.
So we have a super chat I'm going to let come through.
We have Yarmouth.
I'm sorry, Andrew.
I love your stuff.
You're totally out of your depth.
Get Jacob Hansen to talk to Andrew if he wants to talk the LDS faith.
Thank you.
Yarmouth, thank you for the super chat.
Andrew, do you want to do a quick response on that?
I tried to set one up with Jacob and Jay Dyer, and he said no.
I would be willing.
And he refused to debate with me on the topic of Joseph Smith.
He absolutely refused.
So that's that.
If you would like, I can later at some time give you the number.
My dad, he is a missionary, and he is teaching the gospel.
Yeah, he's not going to come in and debate about Joseph.
And Mormons don't debate about Joseph Smith.
They won't do it.
I guarantee you, if you want to debate with somebody, there's plenty of missionaries that would be willing to.
You can go to any church.
I guarantee you there won't be a single missionary.
He just said he tried.
They want to come in on the show.
They want to come in on the show, but they would be willing to debate about Joseph Smith with you privately if you would like to.
Privately.
Exactly.
I'm just going to make it.
Because publicly, the position's untenable.
No, because this is a dating podcast.
Not to debate a platform on planet Earth.
They won't do it.
We host.
We host 1v1 debates.
Yeah, it doesn't matter where.
It could be a theological channel.
It could be anything Mormons don't do anything.
If you would like to debate with someone, that's fine.
You can film with the missionaries and meet with them privately or out at church or whatever.
You can do what you want.
And also, I'm just going to make this clear, Brian.
I'm not here to debate my religion.
I'm very set on this.
So I'm just, I respect you, Andrew.
I'm fine with that.
I'm totally fine with you.
Hang on, Ann.
I wasn't even responding to you.
I was responding to a super chat.
Oh, no, no, I'm just...
Hang on.
And then you started to discuss this again with me.
I didn't even direct it at you.
So what I'm saying to you, though, is there is not a single Mormon who's in any leadership function for any Mormon church who will debate on the topic of Joseph Smith.
I know I've reached out to hundreds of different churches.
They don't do it.
And I can give you the number of one that would be willing to do it.
All right.
Well, we'll talk about that, I guess, after the show.
Sorry, Ryan.
And we do.
We do serious 1v1 debates on here, not on the dating talk panels, but we have a different format.
So we have this one from Brian.
What the?
Brian loves Roast Beef Punani.
That's crazy.
All right.
Thank you.
Thank you for that one.
Do Mormons engage in...
Oh my God.
I can't wait.
That's below.
I think this happens more often than not.
Brian loves roast beef punani.
Thank you.
That's a great name.
Thank you.
Appreciate it.
Big lady matter.
Okay, so that's everybody's relationship status.
And I wrote down the notes, so we're going to get back into some of the conversations about mismatches and timelines when it comes to dating, wants, needs, that sort of stuff, career, career, like balancing career and family.
I think that's a really interesting conversation.
But first, we have to get through a few other topics really quick.
Mary, let me have you pull up the first react that we're going to do.
The first tweet.
All right, so this is a really quick one.
Kanye West, April 9th, labia places should be government issued.
I had to fucking start beefing with Kanye because leave it there.
As someone only dates women with large, I find this deeply offensive.
Hashtag Big Labia Matter.
So I think we ratioed Kanye pretty hard on this.
Probably not.
But anyways, that was just a quick little thing I want to bring up really quick.
Let's go to the next thing, though, which is the big thing.
So we have, I meant to do this last week, but scroll up, scroll up, up, up, no, other way, back up.
So we have Ashley St. Clair here, who I don't know if you guys, some of you are aware.
She's a, I was a supposed conservative political commentator, primarily on X.
She gave birth to Elon Musk's almost a year ago at this point.
I think it was back in May of 2024.
So what?
Almost a year ago.
She gave birth to his, was it son, new baby into the world.
And she posted this and it went super viral.
And there's an update.
So, but I'm going to give you guys a bit of background for the panel and any viewers who are not privy to it.
So she posted that.
Everyone freaked out on social media.
There's a whole bunch of discourse about it.
Tab over to the next one.
So, oh, well, here's the big thing, right?
Okay, so she was essentially, she didn't get attention from Elon Musk on Valentine's Day.
The man who has multiple baby mamas and like 14 children.
And so she went public on Twitter on Valentine's Day.
Or was it the day before?
I don't know.
It was Valentine's Day, I think.
And put him on blast.
And let's pull up that thing, though, because she got a lot of criticism.
Pull it back up.
So she deleted this, but she wrote, now, mind you, she's chasing this guy after for like millions of dollars of child support.
She filed a lawsuit against him.
Scroll down just a little more.
So she wrote back in 2022, Kamala can't help herself from bending over for men to get ahead.
Scroll back up, scroll back up, scroll back up.
And then she deleted the post, but we had it.
So it's kind of just interesting.
Ashley St. Clair, conservative, like she was at the, prior to this, advising to be, you know, traditional relationships are superior, blah, blah, blah.
But then she like goes and gets knocked up by the world's richest man, knowing that he's not going to be like the dutiful, like going to take my son to baseball practice.
Like the dude is like involved in the current presidential administration and he runs multiple billion, billion dollar companies.
So it's just kind of interesting, like that like this person espousing like trad values, but she's like, here's the guy she's going to choose to get knocked up with.
And now he's, he like gave her a Tesla.
He bought like a, or he's paying for her like $40,000 Manhattan penthouse apartment, paying millions of dollars in child support.
Pull up the next one.
There's others, some other damning, some other damning tweets.
I think she writes in December of 2023, I think family court is the most evil institution ever.
Mind you, she's currently in family court.
Well, she brought it to family court with Elon Musk, despite him having an informal agreement with her, paying her millions of dollars a year in child support and probably other sort of benefits.
But she wants more because she's greedy.
Next.
There's no sin as cruel as alienating a child from a parent, seeing so much of this everywhere.
So this is relevant because she's filing for sole custody of the child, which seems like it would be alienating towards Elon Musk.
Disregarding the fact that she chose to get knocked up by a man who doesn't seem like he has a lot of time to, you know, between his 14 other children, his five other baby mamas, running multiple billion dollar companies, and also being involved in the administration, the government administration.
Next.
Oh, and then in that little thing at the beginning, she said, please respect my privacy.
The very next day, or some days after, she does a tell-all with the New York Post, which is a kind of a, almost a tabloid.
So she does a sit-down interview in her $40,000 per month, what's it called, apartment, penthouse apartment in New York with some journalists from the New York Post.
Kind of like weird that she asked for privacy, but then does this next.
Ah, okay, here we go.
So here's the update.
Scroll up.
I'm going to read it.
So this is from Laura Loomer.
Laura Loomer says, gold digger and professional gaslighter Ashley St. Clair was caught on camera outside of her Ritzy, Manhattan condo, paid for by her sugar daddy, Elon Musk.
She's selling her $100,000 Tesla, she said was gifted to her by Elon Musk during their romantic relationship.
She said she's selling it to make up for $100,000 in alleged cuts to her child support payments from Elon.
She took a jab at Elon Musk, scroll down, telling people to check the Tesla stock, adding, I'm not the only one cleaning up after Elon's messes.
Ashley, as I reported, has hired anti-Trump lawyers to sue Elon Musk.
He was ordered by the court to take a paternity test.
So go full screen on that video.
We're going to, okay.
And then go, sorry, go to the video tab.
That's just one up.
It should be nine.
Or wait, one, two, maybe three, actually.
Video tab?
Three?
No.
It's just above the window tab.
So the button for the window tab, it's just one above it.
No.
Now you're out of F11.
Okay, here, just do this.
Look at the scenes in OBS.
There's a videos tab.
No, it's scenes.
Do you see where it says window?
Yeah.
It's videos tab.
It's right above it.
Just click it.
No, Up, just up.
Yep.
Okay, that's it.
All right.
Full screen the video.
And then start it from the beginning.
And then press play.
I'm selling it because I need to make up for the 60% cut that Elon made to your second child support.
Why do you think that he did that?
That's a great question for him.
I lost the time.
Yeah, that's his notice operon day, when I speak out.
When was the last time that you spoke to him or tried to speak to him?
February 13th.
But he's just not responding to you at all.
You can check this box.
I'm not.
I'm not the only one who's meeting up at three seconds.
Car of fauna.
Look at that.
All right.
All right, pause that.
Cool.
So there's a few more things to go over, but I do want to get, I guess, the panel's opinion on this whole thing.
Just one quick note, though, you'll note that Ashley St. Clair, she's not particularly famous.
Like, aside from her having a child with Elon Musk, she's not famous.
So she's asking for privacy in this whole matter.
She, I don't know if you guys know, like what the Kardashians did or like people in Hollywood did when it came to celebrities.
They call the paparazzi on themselves.
So this is like a really weird thing for her to do because like there's not paparazzi just like hanging outside her building hoping to get the shot of Ashley St. Clair out in the street.
She calls the paparazzi on herself and is like, hey, come do it.
But like trying to frame it like it's a paparazzi moment.
That's kind of weird.
But so what do you guys think of everything?
And then just also she's getting millions of dollars a year in child support, but she needs, she has to sell her Tesla to because the child support payments aren't enough.
It's at least the Tesla component selling it.
It just seems like a kind of vindictive move to try to be like, well, fuck Elon, basically.
But your thoughts?
Actually, I totally agree with that.
I think that honestly, okay, look at like for her to sell the Tesla and like calling them like paparazzi's.
Obviously, it was just so Elon could see it on TV and be like, she gave away the fucking car I gave her.
Like, and that's really what I think about it because I've actually never heard of her.
The only baby mama I know of Elon's is Grimes.
So everything she's doing seems very intentional.
It's 100% back money for attention.
And if 60% of her child support is $100,000, babies don't cost that much.
She doesn't need all that.
She wants more, not for the child, but for her.
Sure.
Any thoughts?
Really?
It's kind of just a dumb, dumb situation.
Dumb.
Like, how's it dumb?
Kind of just the whole thing.
Like, you got into that situation.
You should handle it amicably.
Like, maybe she has to involve the press to get some sort of reaction from him, which I could understand.
You understand the press involvement?
Well, maybe if he's really just not paying attention, I could see why she would go to that length.
I'm not saying that I agree with it at all.
I mean, so prior to, well, there's a lot of like other components to it, but prior to her going public with this, it was handled totally privately.
He was, he's a busy guy.
I'm assuming he was pretty upfront.
Like, and even if he wasn't upfront, which I assume he was, there's some pretty clear things.
The fact that he's a billionaire, the fact that he's involved in multiple, like CEO of multiple companies, this is not going to be a guy who's like insanely involved.
And yeah, wait, and he's got like four other baby mamas and 14 other kids.
Like, I don't think going into that situation as a woman, you can reasonably expect that this guy's going to be there every single day.
Like, she made her choice.
Yeah, she made a choice to be involved with this guy.
And then now that she's dissatisfied with the choice she made, it's like, oh, now I'm going to go public.
It was being handled privately.
I think it's terrible in any sort of relationship situation to like ever go to the press or go public with stuff, especially when the guy's paying like hundreds of thousands a month, millions a year in child support.
But you think it's justified?
No, I've never said I think it's justified.
I'm just saying, I guess you said you understood.
I didn't do it why she would take that step.
But frankly, I 100% agree with what you said.
Okay.
Any thoughts?
My take is that this whole dumpster fire could be avoided if people would just stop sleeping with other people that they're not willing to parent a child with.
True.
Yeah, true, true.
So, yeah, no, basically, Elon, I love that you love babies, but you need a chill dude.
You need to stop.
You need to be a dad if you're going to make more babies.
You need to be a present father because that's what our society pushes this idea of just sleeping around with people, and you forget that that creates children.
And if you're sleeping with someone, you have to take responsibility for the fact that you might be a parent to the child that you create.
So, Elon, that's for you.
Anything for Ashley, though?
No, I mean, obviously, we don't know everything that's going on in the situation.
I agree that she's probably trying to take advantage of him and making, trying to gain popularity from the situation.
No, also, Ashley, don't sleep with people you're not willing to have a child with and raise a child with.
Here's another factor I forgot.
She had a kid before.
So this is baby daddy number two.
I thought you said she was like a Christian conservative commentator.
A legend.
Not Christian.
I don't think she's Christian.
Like, what the heck?
Not Christian, but she's conservative.
I'm actually confused about your position.
I wonder if you can help me out here.
You said that Elon shouldn't be with this Ashley because he's not willing to raise a child with her, right?
So he shouldn't be impregnating her.
Well, my take is basically that you shouldn't sleep around with people unless you're ready to be responsible for the child that you create.
But if he is being responsible.
He's not being a present father, though.
I mean, he's doing what's expected.
I think that it's not great, though.
I don't think it's a great situation that a child is without both of their parents living together with them.
And obviously, that's not always, that's sometimes unavoidable.
But no, in general, I think, I mean, this whole situation would have been solved if he wasn't sleeping with a ton of women.
I don't know how you can put this on Elon Musk, though, right?
He basically just had...
Oh, it's on both of them.
Well, it just seems like it's on her to me.
He just ordered a prostitute's womb, right?
I mean, that's what he did.
He ordered it up, put a baby in there, and then said, made an arrangement for money, right?
I mean, that's essentially what happened here.
And that's bad.
Both of them should not be doing that.
Yeah, but why was St. Claire an afterthought to you?
And it was directed to you.
Well, because he has, what, 14 children now?
Are any of them the same baby mama?
Do we know?
They are?
Well, this is a repeated thing that he continues to do.
So that's why I addressed it to him specifically.
Yeah, but I mean, it's not possible.
So women are the gatekeepers of sex and they're the gatekeepers of the womb.
In this particular case, what do you mean by that?
Basically, well, it means that unless you're in some barbaric nation, you are not, I mean, you get to choose your sexual partner, right?
You get to choose who impregnates you.
Right, and so does he.
I mean, he's like choosing to, he's choosing to have sex with her.
But absent, yeah, but right, but absent womb, right?
Elon Musk can't do anything.
And so the thing is.
Well, it takes two to create a child.
He's basically ordering up a womb.
He's just ordering it up like you would on Amazon, right?
He's ordering it.
Yeah, and that's why I'm saying it's wrong.
Yeah, and that's awful.
I think that's not saying what he's doing is right.
I'm just saying that I don't know why St. Claire is an afterthought.
Like, yeah, I guess that's wrong too.
It's like, it seems like to me, like, the person who would sell the womb is literally setting their child up for failure.
Like, some worst form of motherhood I could ever think of.
You're saying that it's mostly her fault.
Yeah.
No, it's both of their faults.
Both of them chose to engage in sexual behaviors with each other.
Both of them took on the risk of creating a child, and both of them should have been equally responsible for the child that they create.
Yeah, so in this case, though, they have an arrangement, right?
The arrangement is: I'm going to pay X amount of dollars per month on behalf of this child.
I want to have a child, right?
But I'm not always going to be present for this child.
That's my end of this contract, right?
That we're about to sign.
She says, sure, that sounds like a wonderful contract.
She signs it.
He seems like he's keeping up his end of the contract here, and she's not keeping up her end of the contract.
Are you saying that I don't know much about the situation?
Did he intentionally want to have a child with her?
Yes.
Oh, I did not know that.
Oh, yeah, that's messed up.
No, that's still, I still think it's equally messed up on both of their parts.
That both of them.
How could it be if they both enter into this agreement, right?
So they both enter into the agreement and he's keeping up his end of the agreement.
She's not keeping up her end of the agreement.
Well, I mean, yeah, I'm talking about specifically the fact that they're talking about before all of the drama that's happening now.
They both were in error to intentionally engage in activities that could create a child and not be as present as a parent, both of them, as they could be for that child.
Yeah, so you know, after some stuff that she's doing afterwards, yes, that is her fault.
I mean, obviously, don't ever.
Who wants to get impregnated by a very rich and powerful man for only the purposes of media cloud relevancy is a pretty horrible fucking person.
I would say that that person is much worse than even the person who's impregnating her, especially since he's doing it only from the angle of I want to, so in must mind, he's saying, I want to spread my seed far and wide.
It's part of his quote mating strategy, right?
That he has as much offspring as possible so that his genetics live on.
And he can afford to do so because he's the richest man on planet Earth.
So he essentially rents out these women's uteruses and they prostitute their uteruses out in exchange for money.
And they sign a contract with him essentially to do so beforehand.
And it's like, it seems to me like women could really guard against this.
Or he could just stop doing this as well.
Like, I don't understand.
Like, yes, it's bad.
You shouldn't.
Yeah, but why is it a problem for what could you do to?
Because there's a child that you have to consider.
You have to consider that there's this child involved that is going to be without a present father.
And that is 100% his fault.
He should not be intentionally creating children that he's not willing to be a responsible parent to.
So yes, the intentions might be different behind why they are trying to have this child.
And I will agree with you that maybe she did do it to get famous.
But that doesn't change the fact that both of them were equally in the wrong because both of their decisions equally impact the child in the same way and the fact that the child is not going to have present parents and that they are intentionally creating a child to put them in a bad situation.
So either way.
Well, first of all, it couldn't equally be the case because in this case, he's the one who provides the entirety of the support, right?
Not her.
He does.
So in the aspect of the provide role, he's at least doing the provide role.
She's not even accommodating her mother role, right?
She's not even accommodating that right from the outset.
She makes sure there's not going to be a present father in this kid's life right from the outset.
Yeah, I'm not saying that via agreement.
It's like that's insane to me.
No, I'm not saying that she, that she's.
Yeah, I'm not saying that now they're equal.
I'm not saying that, oh, like she they're equally in the wrong now.
Obviously, she's trying to take advantage of him based off of what we've seen.
Um, but before all this happened, that's my whole point: is that all of this could have been avoided if both of them had just not gotten into this terrible agreement to begin with.
Because no matter if she broke the agreement, the agreement itself from the beginning was bad, and they were both equally wrong to agree on having a child in a situation where the child was not going to have present parents.
Does that make sense?
Yeah, I don't disagree with you that both are doing a functionally immoral thing.
What I'm looking at is who has more legitimate irresponsibility or responsibility for the behavior thus far.
That's what I'm looking at.
Well, yeah, now currently.
I'm going to say that St. Clair, St. Clair, is 100% in the wrong here and has been from the outset.
And that at least he's holding up to his contractual end, or she's not even doing that, right?
Right.
No, I agree with you now that she is definitely like in the wrong, is not doing the right thing.
I'm talking about from the start, this whole thing would have been avoidable if they weren't both idiots with how they're engaging in activities that create children.
Yeah, yeah, well, I mean, but there's not, there was never any dispute that that's an immoral category, right?
We're just talking some people clearly think it is immortal.
It was brought up as though it was St. Clair was brought up secondary.
Like, I'm talking to you, Elon.
I'm like, what?
Oh, I was, I was specifically talking about how the behaviors that led to this whole situation could have been avoided if both of them did not do that, because he clearly does this with many women.
So, yeah, it's a problem.
All right.
Any reactions on quite a bit.
So, yeah, I think that I agree.
Like, a lot of this can be avoided if you wait till marriage.
Anybody here?
It definitely seemed like an attention stunt.
Whether it was for like for Elon Musk directly or for other women to be like, oh my gosh, you know, she's such a victim.
There's so much wrong that he did.
You know.
Okay.
Anything from you?
Or?
I think that Ashley St. Clair's got a lot of cojones to, I don't know, to like, I mean, I'm, I'm not in any way, in any shape, any form, near the amount of notoriety that she is.
And I think that I kind of agree with you in a sense where like he needs to be able to raise the kid too.
He needs to know that when the action's happening.
But I don't know how, like, I'm scared to even show my new car wrap to people.
I don't even like want people to know what kind of car I'm in, let alone where my apartment is doing an interview.
I don't know that to me.
But then again, I guess everyone has their own comfort with privacy, I guess.
Do you want to be like baby mama number five or something?
So Elon Musk?
No, not after the trajectory.
You wouldn't do it.
No.
He's like, okay, I'll pay you $100,000.
He's not going to be there.
And that's going to be a tough deal for me.
$1,000 a month.
$100,000 a month.
I mean, I could live off penny.
You could stop the, you know, the.
You have to think about the child.
I could ask.
There's an innocent child involved in this.
Yeah, but yeah, but then, yeah, like, there's a kid with no baby.
And eventually, like, I'm going to try to, like, the thing is, is if he's not there, I'm the type that, like, is like, okay, well, we need to get somebody there or father there.
So then he's going to be like, why are you picking another one, a man, to father my son?
I'm like, he ain't here, man.
Like, I don't know.
So, yeah.
Let's go back to the window tab.
Oh, here, I needed to go back to the other tab, like the Ashley St. Clair thing.
I wanted to finish up on that.
Let me know when you have it.
Guys, like the video if you're enjoying the stream.
Like the video.
Perfect.
All right.
By the way, Brian, this is what this is essentially, I've always had a theory that I wanted to run by about St. Clair and these.
So I think that there's a lot of women in right-wing media who get very upset because they don't get what they consider to be their due and proper respect at right-wing media from the men.
And they hatch revenge plots.
They actually hatch revenge plots in order to get back.
Get these vaccies at the right-wingers in these media comp and do shit like this.
Ashley St. Clair, Lauren Southern.
I have endless examples of women doing this.
I wanted to see what your take was on that.
Are these women, though?
You're saying it's conservative women?
Because I don't think Ashley St. Clair or Lauren Southern are conservative.
They might be part of conservative media and at least marketed themselves as being part of conservative media or right-wing media.
Okay.
Sure.
There's a revenge plot or revenge aspect to it of them doing shit like this.
Sure.
Yeah, I mean, I've definitely seen this before.
You mentioned Lauren Southern.
I don't know if you recognize this name, Sidney Watson.
But these women are feminists.
They're feminists.
They're not particularly conservative.
I mean, Lauren Southern slept with Destiny, right?
Allegedly.
Allegedly.
That's not alleged anymore.
Oh, it's confirmed.
Okay.
Oh, yeah.
I don't know.
How are you going to be like a trad conservative Republican and fuck blue-haired leftist destiny?
That's kind of crazy, but, um, and, uh, yeah, I mean, she loved him for his brilliant mind.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But no, I mean, I guess there's been a bunch of conservative women.
Fake conservatives.
Fake conservatives.
We don't claim that.
Anyone can hatch herself.
They're falling into lust.
Oh, let's finish up the actually.
Wait.
But no, I mean, Andrew, it is a good point.
Like the vindictiveness.
Yeah, that's crazy.
I don't even really understand.
And there's a whole bunch of stuff we left out.
Like, for example, I'll just add one other thing.
Ashley St. Clair, her communications between herself and Elon Musk were done on this app called Signal.
And on Signal, you can't screenshot it.
Or I guess maybe it sends like a notification if you haven't used it, but you can't screenshot on Signal.
And the chats disappear after, I guess you can set it to 24 hours, 12 hours, whatever.
So he was communicating with her on Signal, and she was using a secondary phone, taking photos of the conversations on Signal with Elon Musk, and where it's like there's an implied, there's an implied component of these are going to be private conversations.
We're not going to be, and she leaked all of those in her lawsuit.
She leaked it to the press, and that's super despicable.
And mind you, she didn't release all the conversations.
She only released the conversations, which tended to, I don't even think they really made her look good or were exculpatory in any sort of way.
Released some of them that kind of made her look a little better, made him look a bit more culpable.
It's all intentional.
And I'm pretty sure she was in the hospital.
One of these screenshots that she took, or photos that she took from a secondary phone, of their private, intended to be private communications, she took it on the day she gave birth.
That's crazy.
Like she's in the hospital.
At least that's what is indicated.
She's in the hospital bed and she's like plotting against Elon Musk.
Like, even before there was, and this is even before there was any sort of conflict, she was taking screenshots going way back of their communications when things were good.
And she was trying to get a second kid.
She wanted another kid from him.
It's wild.
There's a bunch of, there's so much to it.
We're not going to get into all of it.
Let me just wrap up really quick on this.
Scroll down.
So Laura Loomer.
Oh, I forgot.
Elon, no, scroll down, scroll down.
Elon Musk responds to Laura Loomer and he says, I don't know if the child is mine or not, but I'm not against finding out.
No court order is needed.
Scroll down a bit.
Despite not knowing for sure, I've given Ashley 2.5 million so far.
And that's the kid's been alive for less than a year.
And he's sending her $500,000 a year.
And then scroll down just a little bit.
She responds, Elon, we asked you to confirm paternity through test before I chop before our child, who you named, was even born.
You refused.
Hit show more.
He gave $2.5 million when the paternity was.
No, Show more?
Okay.
Yeah.
And you weren't sending me money.
were sending support for your child that you thought was necessary well yeah that's oh my god this girl Oh, okay.
Sending me money.
Yeah, I mean, the mother.
The mother gets the money.
And then he was also paying for a $40,000 apartment.
She got a Tesla.
I think he was paying for her security detail.
So, like, she was getting the money.
So I don't know what that's about.
Until you withdrew most of it to maintain control and punish me for disobedience.
I don't know what most of it means in this context, but you're really only punishing your son.
He's claiming he's still paying her.
He's already paid her 2.5 mil, and he's agreed to pay her $500,000 a year.
I'm sorry.
She's set for, like, she could stop working.
She's set forward.
Yeah.
She is.
Just off the child support.
You don't need $500,000 a year to raise a kid.
She continues, though, by saying, it's ironic that your last effort in court.
Scroll down.
Scroll down.
It's ironic that your last effort in court was to try to gag me while you use a social media channel.
You literally own to distribute derogatory messages about me and our child to the entire world.
It's all about control with you, and everyone can see it.
America needs you to grow up, you petulant man-child.
And then I'll read this one from Laura Loomer.
Ashley, you don't need $3 million to raise a baby.
This is so outrageous that you had sex without birth control.
You seem to have plotted for many years how to get Elon Musk to knock you up.
There's just some context here.
There's some screenshots of her old tweets saying, like, kind of pointing towards her.
Like there's like premeditation when it comes to her like pursuing Elon Musk.
And so there's some kind of damning tweets that she put out a while ago and also messages.
You're complaining because you want more money for a baby.
In what world does it cost more than $500,000 a year to raise a baby?
Excuse me, guys.
Not to mention you were making over $25,000 a month on X payments.
How does one person need that much money to survive?
This is an insult to everyone.
Scroll down.
You're trying to cash out on a billionaire who you baby trapped.
Okay.
There it is.
Laura Loomer doing some pretty good reporting on all that.
Is anyone actually falling for her stuff?
Like, is anyone on her side?
I can't see how anyone could.
There's some.
There's definitely some, but I think a lot of people are like.
They see through.
They're kind of like calling her out a little bit.
There's a lot we don't know, too.
That's true.
I think we know enough.
He knows.
I think that he knew.
From everything he's showed us so far.
I can't imagine how anyone could be falling for what she's saying and doing.
They must have done a paternity test or something to confirm the baby was his, because 2.5 million just immediately given.
Like, that's just a lot.
Like, I feel like he knows it's solidified.
It's his.
But yeah, that's, yeah, wow.
Well, I don't know.
I mean, they got to do a paternity test.
They got to do it.
Might not be his.
That's a fucking dream springer moment right there.
All right.
Well, we're going to move on.
The baby isn't his, like that poor child.
I know.
Wait, what's up?
The poor kid.
Like, obviously, it's getting monetary money, like, just money and stuff, and it's probably going to have some Ferrari when it turns 16 or whatever.
But it needs a present father, as you stated before.
I was raised in a very wealthy household, but I was very, very blessed that my father chose me over work every single day.
But I mean, who's so?
Are you saying, is that more so the fault of Ashley St. Clair, though?
Yeah.
No, no, I'm not saying it's not her fault.
I actually think it's stupid of her to sue this dude when she's making money.
And I also feel like it was stupid of them both to have sex.
Okay.
All right.
We are going to move on to the next topic.
It's going to be somewhat related to balancing career and family.
So I'm going to have you pull up that video, make it full screen on YouTube.
This is a clip of Andrew.
You're going to put in the video tab too for this.
Guys, perfect.
Go ahead and play.
How do you show respect to your wife?
Oh, all sorts of ways.
I basically give her whatever the hell she wants.
I adore her.
But here's the thing: the reason that I do this is because if I say this is what ultimately is going to happen, that's the last word in it, and I don't even want to have the conversation.
We don't.
Now, she may really want to.
And I can tell sometimes that she really does, but I don't care because it's my decision ultimately.
So you don't care about how she feels.
Oh, no, I didn't say I didn't care how she feels.
I just don't care to have her question my authority autonomy over the marriage.
Was there an initial conversation prior to that, or is it just like we're doing this?
Don't ask me.
It depends on the context.
I would say more for like bigger decisions in life, not necessarily like little things.
Even larger decisions.
If ultimately, let's say I went home and I said, we're moving to Nevada in three weeks.
Get your bags packed.
And I'm not going to have a finger.
I don't want to hear a word about it.
You're doing it, and that's the way it's going.
You think that's respectful?
W.
I think that ultimately it's my choice.
And how she shows me respect.
Yeah, that's how she shows me respect.
Okay, let's get reactions.
Starting with you.
Truthfully, honestly, if he is like paying for everything and she has no job and like she's a like traditional like wife, you have no say.
He literally found you.
He found you a different ways.
Wait.
What?
Highly successful, celebrated author who makes a bunch of money.
Oh, yeah.
See?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Just moved to Nevada, babe.
It's probably a bigger house.
Just move.
No, no, no.
Her.
Oh, she is.
Oh.
Oh.
Yeah, number one in her category.
I mean, at least she was for a couple of years number one in your category.
And then you know what I do?
I take her cash.
I spend it on guns.
Take it right out of her hand, Taylor.
Her royalty is mine, and I go spend it on guns.
I mean, you made it pretty clear in the beginning you give her what she needs and what she wants.
So I don't still don't.
I'm just looking at him.
Hold on.
Yeah.
Your thoughts on that?
I think relationships are always, should be a group discussion, but typically, like, it makes sense.
I agree.
But I always think that, you know, some kind of input should be appreciated.
And I know at least I would want that in my marriage.
And if that's how it works for you, Andrew, that's great.
But that's kind of just a personal thing.
But what if there's a there's just a disagreement and there's been input given from both sides?
Who's the tiebreaker?
The husband or the wife?
I guess it depends on the relationship that you're in and how you guys determine that together.
What about for yours personally?
Personally, right now, I'm not in a relationship, but I think I'm not.
Wait, wait, wait.
Be quiet back there, please.
I really value my future husband's opinion, and I definitely take that into consideration.
But at the same time, I think there also needs to be consideration for everybody's health and well-being and thoughts in the relationship.
And so, while I do respect your opinion on that, I think there also needs to be, you always need to acknowledge people's opinions because that's how you facilitate a healthy relationship, whether it's biblical or not.
I disagree.
I think going into the marriage, you can take into account if this is going to be a man who's going to take care of you.
But once that decision is made, you're putting things in his hands.
Now, for you and even for me, picking a man who you know will take into account your thoughts, feelings, opinions is important.
Like he said, if there's a disagreement and your input has been given, if the man has made a decision, you chose him as your husband.
So, I would say you have to submit.
Cool.
I love that.
That's your opinion.
That's great.
Okay.
Andrew, I actually, I have a question for you, Andrew, on this, but I want to get some more feedback from the rest of the guests on this.
Your reaction to the video.
You're married, you're Christian.
Yeah.
Your thoughts.
So, Andrew, I think you're hopefully exaggerating how you would tell your wife to get the bags and pack up and go move somewhere.
No exaggeration.
No exaggeration.
Well, I think you're being a jerk about it then.
But I'm not going to be a jerk, too.
You what?
It's my prerogative to be a jerk, too.
Yeah, well, I don't think that's biblical.
But no, I do.
I mean, you're non-denominational cares what you think is biblical.
No, I'm not a denominational because I follow the Bible.
So I do agree with you that.
You made it up 300 years ago version of the Bible.
No.
Cookbooks out of the Bible.
No, no, go ahead.
No.
But no, I think that I do agree with you to an extent.
I do think that the Bible does place the husband in a role where he is supposed to have the final authority.
But I do think in a healthy biblical marriage, part of a husband loving his wife is getting, having a discussion and taking her.
Keep going, keep going.
Sorry.
And taking her input into consideration while still making that final decision.
But no, I think just ignoring anything she has to say isn't loving.
I think you should absolutely listen.
That's the clipstead.
What did the clip say?
Clipstead didn't say that you ignore everything they say.
Well, you said you said you.
The ultimate authority revolves around the man.
So if it did come down to a situation where I said, listen, this is going to happen, and I'm not looking for objections, and I'm not looking for input because this is important.
You just need to do what I'm telling you to do.
That's exactly what she needs to do.
Well, if there's an obviously, like, if the house is burning down, yes, you should.
What if the house is burning down, even on a major life decision?
Who is the head of the family biblically?
Who's the head?
Yeah, it's absolutely the husband.
That doesn't mean that you shouldn't take input.
I cannot think of a situation where you would not want where you should not take input from your wife.
Let's break this down and see if this is correct.
In a marriage, right, the body of the church is represented by the woman and the head.
The Christ head is represented by the man.
Jesus Christ told you to do something.
Would you do it?
Or would you go, you need to take my input first?
if it was urgent obviously i would do it right then and there like again if the house is burning down and my husband told you so if christ told you something to do something can i finish Can I finish?
Yeah, go ahead.
So if my husband says the house is burning down, we need to go now.
I'm going to get up and go and I'm not going to question you.
That wasn't my question.
Please answer my question.
Here is my question.
I'm not done talking.
Go ahead.
Yeah, but listen, If you begin to talk to answer a question I didn't ask, I am going to cut in and re-ask the question because you're not answering the question I asked you.
You're just making excuses for talking.
Do you believe that the woman is the representation of the body of the church and that the man is a representation of the head, which is the Christ head, as Paul lays down for his marriage prescription?
Do you believe that that is the case?
Yeah, absolutely.
I think the husband is supposed to be the head, but he should still.
If the man is the head, if that is the case, if the man is the head and is the reflection of the Christ head, what situation would you ever be in where you would question Christ?
It's not questioning.
I'm not questioning Christ.
Well, then you're supposed to obey the representation of the Christ head, as Paul says.
Submit to your husbands as you would unto the Lord.
And for the record, there are times where I sometimes think it's healthy to talk to God and be like, hey, I don't know how I feel about this, and maybe pray about things.
And so it's not like always, it's okay to ask questions and it's okay to give input.
Like I have a conversation with God and sometimes I obviously do, I follow Christ, but that doesn't mean that you can't always provide input.
And I think that it's healthy in a marriage for a husband to listen to their wife, obviously, and not.
I'm not dispute though.
I'm not disputing that it's healthy or unhealthy for a husband to accept input from his wife.
No, I'm not saying you have to accept authority.
Yes, exactly.
We're disputing authority.
So if it's a case husband has authority and refuses input from his wife on certain situations, he's supposed to have the authority to do so, yes or no.
Right, no, no, no, no, I absolutely agree.
He does not have to accept input.
He needs to listen.
He should listen to what she has to say.
You should absolutely have a conversation about big things.
Obviously, if it's an urgent thing.
It's up to the head.
It's all at the end of the day, yes.
But I don't think it's truly loving your wife if you are making decisions without, because she might have valuable input to add to the conversation that might change his decision, his final decision.
Perhaps she even does, but it's not up to her, is it?
Right.
No, I never said it was up to her.
All I'm saying is.
So if it's up to the authority, if it's up to him and he doesn't want input, you would have to back that up by your own logic of saying that's rational, reasonable, and biblical.
No, absolutely.
I have continued to say he does not have to necessarily agree with her input, but you're saying, that's why I clarified at the beginning.
Are you exaggerating about going in and telling your wife, we're moving in three weeks now?
Let's go.
Or is he actually, are you actually going in and saying, hey, I think we should move in three weeks.
What do you think about that?
And you do not have to listen.
You do not have to listen to her input, but you should be loving to your wife and care about what she thinks.
That's not not love.
Listen, first of all, it's not unloving for you in a position of authority in the head of your household to make unilateral decisions on behalf of the wealth of your family or the health and wealth of your family.
That is your decision.
Ultimately, it's the head, the representation of the Christ head.
What you're spouting is feminist nonsense.
You're trying to dispute authority, male patriarchal authority within a Christian setting by saying this.
The husband ought to still, even in a situation where he is unilaterally as the head of the household deciding what the decision needs to be, should still take input from his wife.
Even if he said, in this particular case, whatever the context is, I don't want input.
It's just necessary that we do this.
I have a question.
If he is the authority, if he is truly the authority from your worldview, you need to respect and obey his authority and submit to it, correct?
I agree.
But if you are just blind, if you're making decisions and being a jerk about it and not listening in cases, obviously, again, I will reinstate it.
What makes it jerk behavior?
What makes it?
Because you're making a decision and not caring about what she has to say.
I'm not saying you have to agree.
That does.
I don't know what marriage you're in that you do not have discussions about important life events with your wife, why you don't care.
No, that was your whole argument, is that you were deciding using an extremist argument.
So, what I'm saying is this: there can be situations in which you as the authority, the ultimate authority, autonomy, the head of your household, the representation of the Christ head, as who the wife is to obey and submit as she would unto the Lord.
Okay?
Can say, I do not want any questioning of any kind, nor to even have a conversation about this.
I simply want my will and this for the family executed.
But what if you're not doing the Lord's?
Hang on.
Your job as a wife is to submit and obey that authority.
Now, to say that, well, husbands, they should take input from their wives, nobody's disputing that.
Husbands almost always take input from their wives.
They almost always discuss decisions between themselves and their wives.
But there could be instances where they choose not to and have valid reasons.
And it's not for you to concern yourself with those reasons.
It's for you as a woman representing the Christian aspect, the female aspect, the body, to submit to his authority.
That was my Christian.
That was my whole point: that there might be valid reasons.
Like if my husband said there's a fire, we need to get out.
I'm not going to question him.
I'm going to get up and get out, even if I don't see the fire.
You literally can't let me.
I'm not talking about an emergency, though.
I'm talking about whatever it is that he is deciding unilaterally is that important that he wants to have zero discussion on.
Your job is to obey.
What are situations where he would not want input?
Okay.
Okay, then let's talk.
Well, that's the issue: I'm talking about how, hey, that might be a sign that maybe you're a jerk husband if you're in such a, because I can't think of any situation.
It's a sign that your controlling wife wants equal authority with your husband.
I never said equal authority.
You are making stuff up.
He has decisions to unilaterally lead you when he thinks that he needs to control and have authority over whatever the situation is.
Maybe you're just a controlling wife.
Maybe you're a wife who just doesn't trust your husband's leadership.
Maybe you're a bad Christian wife who doesn't trust your husband's leadership and won't submit to his authority because if he says unilaterally, I have the authority.
We need to do this and you need to obey, then your job is to submit.
You wanted to come in, so we'll have you come in.
What if he's not following the Lord's will?
What if he's going directly against what they believe the wife believes is not the Lord's will?
And she's meant to submit to Christ before you.
So who's the representation inside of the church?
I don't know about you, but inside of the church, we have things called bishops, priests, things like this.
This has always been the case that a wife could stray away from fulfilling wifely duties or husbandly duties based around various aspects of their Christian faith.
When that happens, there's a redress of the ecclesiastical authority of the church, who often will step in and do things like counseling, assist with these problems, help them remove themselves from error.
Now, secularists always laugh when you say this, but what's so hilarious is they demand the exact same thing.
They demand a governmental seized authority which can step in to assist them with the same types of problems.
Marriage counseling, psychology, divorce courts, child custody agreements.
They're asking for the same thing.
They're asking for an authority to step in and assist with the moderation of problems which may arise in that marriage dynamic.
Christians have the exact same recourse.
Is it possible that a husband could ask you to do something outside of the realm of reason, right?
In some rare instances, sure, but you have redress there.
There's higher authorities that you can move within the church to get redress to know that you're doing the right thing or not.
Now, most of the time, the likelihood is, is that inside of the traditional churches, the priest is probably going to say, you need to obey your husband.
And a lot of women are resistant to that.
That's why in Orthodoxy, you see such a split between the sexes.
In Catholicism and in Protestantism, not so much.
Women are the majority.
But women are the ones who are the most resistant to the idea of the submission to the husband.
You add something, Abigail?
I mean, I think what he's been saying is pretty well said.
When we go back to the original video that brought up this discussion, they asked him, like, do you consult your wife?
And he said that, I mean, he even said just now that he doesn't dispute that a man should consult a wife and listen to her opinion, but he made it very clear that it's situational.
And if he says that this is what's going to happen and I don't care to hear questioning, then ideally, if you chose a good man and you chose to marry this man, then if he's not wanting to hear your questioning, he's probably got a good reason as to why.
But what would be one of those reasons?
What would be a reason why you're not going to be a person?
It's not your place to question that, though.
But I'm talking about how that's an issue on the guy's part.
Like, hey, why are you not willing to hear input from the person that you care about?
I don't think that's in dispute, though.
Yeah, he already said it's situational.
But what situation, can we even think of a situation where there would not, where there would be a reason to not?
Well, this is the problem, right?
So think of it like you would in the military.
Think that you were in the military for a second and there was a general.
And the general, right, being a good leader is, you know, sometimes that's going to require discussion with the soldiers who are beneath your chain of command in order for you to make good decisions based around, you know, the various executions of what you need to do in the battlefield, absent the battlefield, things like this.
But if a general comes in and says, I don't really want to hear your opinions, execute your duties and shut your mouth, you really don't have any recourse against that, right?
Because he's in authority.
The question is not this.
Hang on, before you rebud about whether or not a marriage is this or that, we're talking about this from the frame of a Christian purview.
What is the frame in a Christian worldview, right?
Not from a secularist worldview, in which your feelings get hurt and so you get mad and you don't like doing it, blah, But rather, what are your duties to Christ and what are your duties to your husband?
What I'm saying is that whatever the situation is, right, that you would consider rational or irrational, one thing I came up with is he feels the need to move jobs.
Now, perhaps he has a type of wife that can instill doubt in him, right?
And he doesn't, for this particular case, want any sort of doubt.
She's not a bad person.
She usually reinforces what he says, but maybe this decision, he just feels like consulting her for some reason, not the best idea.
It's ultimately up to him and his authority and for her to be obedient to his claim of authority.
That's ultimately what a Christian marriage is.
Right, but can you think of a situation where that would be necessary?
That's the thing.
He just gave a situation.
No, like I know the whole like, and when there's a general and everything in charge, but like you're, the whole thing that brought this whole up is a situation of moving.
It's a specific situation for moving.
Yeah, well, I still don't get why you can't like afterwards have a conversation.
I got one.
I got one.
Let's take her.
She was in a relationship with a man.
I know there was a component of there was a mismatch when it came to mismatch when it came to he was a Mormon, you're non-denominational Christian.
She didn't want to have kids yet.
She wanted to be boss babe.
And I asked her, well, would you continue working if your husband was capable of providing for you and your family?
And your husband said, I don't want you to keep working.
I'm making enough money to support the family.
I want you to 100% focus.
I know you want to work.
I know it fulfills you in some way, but we're married.
I'm the husband.
I don't want you to work.
I want 100% of your attention on our children and the household and me.
Is that a satisfactory example?
No, no, because I think you can still have a conversation about that.
You don't have to listen to what she has to the input.
It's not a conversation at all.
Yeah, if you're not going to listen.
Then the conversation.
I think that's the issue.
I think you should be open to what you're obviously there are situations where, yes, it's important to make that decision.
But so let me ask you usurping authority from the husband.
Listen, I want to show you the contradiction in your worldview so that you can understand it.
When you say, you, the husband who is the leader and the authority in my Christian marriage, who I have submitted to, need to do X, you are usurping his very role as the leader you're demanding him to be.
So when you say you need to accept X input or X thing from me, when he says no, I do not, and in this case, this is for the betterment of the household and the family, it is not for you to question.
If you usurp that, hang on, you are in what is called the role of Satan, right?
You're usurping the authority from what you call the Christ head.
Not kidding, this is the Christian worldview.
The idea that the man is the representation of the Christ head in the marriage.
If you're going against the authority of the Christ head, what is that other than satanic?
You tell me.
I'm not saying I wouldn't listen to him.
I'm saying that it's healthy to have conversations about things.
Okay, let me ask you this.
Hold on.
I know you guys are raising your hands.
I'll get you guys in in just a sec.
So when you say have a conversation, I don't think Andrew is disputing that the husband can counsel.
Hold on, hold on.
The husband can counsel with his wife, get input from her.
But how many subsequent conversations and disagreements and eventually fights do we need to have before the husband gets his will?
Well, it doesn't have to be a fight.
It can be a conversation.
But so here, let me role play this.
I don't want you to go to work.
I want you to stay at home with our kids.
Okay, we can have a conversation.
Okay.
But how much do you need to, are you going to just nag me until I bend to your will?
No.
Okay, but how many conversations need to take place?
It depends on the is just one conversation okay?
Yeah, as long as there's no follow-up needed.
Yeah.
But so what, hold on, hold on, so hold on.
So what if the determination on my part is, I okay, cool.
I heard all your inputs.
You made a PowerPoint presentation.
Here's why I want to work.
Here's why I want to work.
I'm going to be able to find, I'm going to be happier and it's going to be a financial benefit to the family because I'm going to be making X amount of additional money and we can go to the Bahamas, whatever it is.
And I'm going to listen there and sit there.
I'm not going to interrupt you.
You can give me your PowerPoint presentation for why you should be a boss babe when I want to have kids in the family and want you to stay at home and I can provide.
I've listened to it.
Wait, wait, wait, hold on, hold on.
Hold on.
I've listened to it.
I've listened to it and I'm like, thank you for sharing.
Now.
No.
So I say no.
What's the next step?
Yeah, I would respect that.
Absolutely.
Would you respect that?
Yeah, depending on the case, I would.
What do you mean, depending on the case?
If the husband was fully able to provide for my family and there wasn't going to be any detriment to me not working and it would only be a benefit to my children, then in that case, yes, I would.
What do you mean, a detriment to you not working?
Didn't you say there was like some greater calling fulfillment when it came to you working?
There was fulfillment.
And I think I would find that later on in motherhood where like kids are going to school.
I could pick that up.
This is my personal wants.
It doesn't need to match everybody else in this room.
But I think that for the time being, if it was at the greater benefit of my kids, me being at home and raising them, especially when they're young, I would do it.
So, okay, how about your husband says this?
You're married.
You have three kids.
And he's like, nah, you're just not going to work.
Maybe he might be like, you know what?
Once they're all out of college, how about that?
Are you going to be happy with that?
I can't tell you no.
What you can't tell me no.
I can't tell you now.
Oh, you can't tell me now.
But I will be marrying a husband who would be willing to have a conversation with me that appreciates my thoughts as well.
Oh, he appreciates your thoughts, but he's like, I've heard the PowerPoint presentation for why you want to be a boss babe.
I appreciate your thoughts, but my decision is no.
What then?
Then that's fine.
We can make an agreement on it.
If it's been a greater benefit, like I've said before, to me being at home with the kids, if the house is taken care of, financials are good, and that's great.
Everybody can live a happy life, healthy food in the home, able to live the positive, you know, and that's negotiations.
That's the opposite of submission, is negotiation.
So the thing is, is like, let me give you a very clear-cut example, something that maybe nobody can dispute.
Women often, due to hormonal regulation, become extremely irrational, especially when they get very close to certain situations or decision-making, right?
And sometimes, right, due to that irrationality, I think it's perfectly acceptable for a husband to do things like say, you're fucking irrational.
You're overly hormonal.
You need to shut up and go away or walk away from this situation.
That's exactly what you need to do.
And you need to go somewhere, calm down, and you don't get a say.
You don't get a say.
What's wrong with that?
Can somebody tell me what's actually wrong with that?
Or are you going to all pretend that women don't have traffic?
That's just extremely disrespectful.
And the way you phrase that is in a way that's totally not okay.
And I won't even give you an answer to that question.
I think it's so ridiculously phrased.
It doesn't seem ridiculous to me.
It seems like the irrationality needs to be contended with somehow.
Go ahead.
Go ahead.
Okay.
So here, I would be like, all right.
So I lived 10 years of my life out of a bag anyways.
So I wouldn't care about moving, even if it was to Timbuktu.
I don't care.
But I would be like, all right, partner, while I pack, while I pack all of our stuff, I want to know.
I want to know what's going on.
Why are we moving?
But I'm packing all of our stuff.
I will do all of it.
Just tell me right now as I'm.
Okay.
All right.
And you had something to go.
Okay.
So you wouldn't object to your wife going to a leader of your church and saying, hey, I disagree with my husband on this.
And the church leader happens to agree with her.
Well, it depends on the context.
If she's going to the church in order to give them idle gossip or things like this or, you know, talk about interpersonal context that's not basically, if she's going to the church, in other words, and saying to them, there's something here which is not following Christianity and that needs to be dealt with, then yes, the ecclesiastical authority is designed specifically to assist with that, just like in the secular world.
She smiles as though this isn't true in the secular world.
Would you want your husband to go to a psychologist in order to gossip about you and run you down and things like that?
No, I don't.
Do you want him only to go to a psychologist for the purposes of trying to assist with some type of a marriage where one partner or the other thought they were being completely unreasonable or outlandish or doing something that they weren't supposed to be doing?
The same exact thing would be happening under a Christian view.
The idea would be you're not going there to bark about your home problems, but you're going there to get assistance for things that would step outside of the Christian view.
One person I am Christian, just so we're clear.
You're a Mormon, and I'm not going to.
Okay, well, I will.
Okay.
No, you're not.
I am.
For my view, you're not.
For my view, you're not.
But that's fine.
The thing is, that's fine.
I'm just saying that even inside of the LDS church, this is the case.
Even inside of the Church of Latter-day Saints, that you have people that you can go to who assist in marriages, who assist even in arrangement of marriages, by the way.
You can go to people.
Oh, yeah, they do.
They just don't do it like the church doesn't go, I'm picking you and picking you.
But what happens is the women of the church do matchmaking and they do all sorts of different things with their daughters and their friends and things like this.
The same thing, by the way, that women do even outside of churches.
They play matchmaker all the time.
Secular, inside of church, whatever.
But the point here is that that authority is still even absent side of your church for you to go for redress if a partner is doing something that you consider to be external to the Christian faith, doesn't it?
Okay.
I just wanted to clarify that.
So she does have an option if she does object and doesn't agree, if that makes sense.
Well, hang on.
Again, that's not correct, right?
This is context-dependent.
Yeah, like, I don't agree that my husband says I have to do the dishes on Sunday.
It's not what you're going to a priest for.
No.
You'd be going to the priest for something like, my husband's listening to satanic music in the garage and it's very concerning to me.
Something like that.
Something which would be stepping outside of the Christian view, not to question his autonomy and authority over his household.
That's not what their job is or the ecclesiastical authority's job is.
Now, there could be extra marital things which they could, or I'm sorry, marital things which they can assist with, specific counseling, things like this, which Catholics and Orthodox have made available for years and years and years, which does assist with things like who does the dishes on Sunday or whatever that is, right?
But generally speaking, you're not going to them for those types of things.
You're going to them for issues of the spirit.
All right.
A couple chats coming through here.
We have Lucas.
Lucas says, is it me or is it the obstinance in programming with this generation of gals beyond intractable?
It seems that they're willing to forego high caliber men for the sake of their boss babe ideology to which he continues in this upcoming message.
Thank you, Lucas, for the message.
He continues by saying, Chair 2, you are a pretty, a pretty, and appear to be a wholesome girl.
I assure you, very few high-earning, high-virtue men will accept any pushback on outsourcing the raising of their kids.
For me, it was a non-starter.
Any response there?
You said you had like 12 nannies or something growing up?
Yeah, just through the years.
Through the years?
Are your parents still together?
Yeah, very much so.
Okay.
Very happy, happy family, lots of kids.
Yeah, okay.
So do you want to have nannies like for your kids?
I wouldn't mind if the situation had to permit.
It's something I'm totally let's how about this situation?
Let's assume he earns enough money for you to be able to stay home, but he doesn't earn enough money for you to be able to have a nanny.
Are you fine with that?
If I was staying home, I'm a nanny.
Right, exactly.
If I was working part-time, in that case, I would have a nanny.
I don't need a nanny just for fun, just to go out shopping.
Like that would be dumb.
But if let's say you did meet a guy who was okay with you, like working, whatever.
He was fine with it.
It wasn't, I'm sure there's plenty of men who are not going to be as hardline on some of these components.
But you said you'd want to work like part-time, right?
Okay, so maybe you work like 20 hours a week, so you have the nanny 20 hours a week or something like that.
Wouldn't you say, though, that even then that time would be better spent with you, like the kids would be better spent with you versus some stranger?
I mean, it would obviously always be preferable to be with me, their mother, over an outside person.
Sure.
I'm just saying if the situation came down to it and I had to be working or if it was more advantageous for our family as a whole, we had a reasonable discussion about it.
Here's the pros, here's the cons.
I'm seeing a little bit more pro, not even 20 hours, but I could see some benefit to me still working.
Yeah, I was thinking about this the other day when it came to daycare or having nannies or whatever.
And the cost of daycare is so exorbitant.
At least, well, I guess it depends where you live.
Here in California, for example, you're going to spend for one child between $2,000 and $3,000 for one child.
Maybe they give you discounts if you have two kids.
I don't know the details.
But let's say for two kids, it's going to cost you $5,000.
And I'm thinking like, okay, that's $60,000 a year.
Say the wife makes $70,000.
Like some, maybe she makes $60,000 a year.
That doesn't, the math just doesn't make sense to me for a woman to make $60,000 a year and push all that money to a daycare when she could just stay at home.
Now, I understand that women cannot.
Well, I understand these numbers are highly charitable.
Sure.
I think the average salary in the U.S. for a woman is $40,000.
$40,000.
Sure.
And so, and if you look at the average daycare cost, the average is at least $10,000.
The average is at least $10,000 yearly.
Oh, yearly.
Okay.
I was talking in California per month for daycare.
It's $2,000 to $3,000 a month.
So you're looking at...
Well, the California average is $19,000, I think.
$19,000, okay.
$15,000 a year on average.
So even if you have the offset of an extra $10,000 because of the inflationary cost of living, so Starbucks pays their, let's say, $20 an hour instead of $15,000, it's still eaten up in the daycare costs.
So you're really only getting an extra $20,000 a year after taxes if you're lucky.
It's like, what are we doing here?
It seems silly.
And even if the even if your wife is out earning whatever it is that the cost of daycare is, there is still the, I just think it's always optimal to have the mother taking care of the kids.
Okay, cool.
You make.
Instead of outsourcing to consuela, not to mention the amount of abuse that we see inside of this, these various programs.
Oh, yeah.
The mother's definitely.
Yeah, the mother's definitely going to take, because I've heard some horror stories from like some of these daycares.
You know, they don't change the diapers as often as they should.
There's like a bunch of kids.
The kids are constantly getting sick because all the germs and everything.
And, you know, I think the kid is going to do the best when it's the mom solely, exclusively taking care of the kid.
Not daycare, not nannies.
So I don't know.
That's my thought.
Even if she's making $100,000 a year, I still, you know, and, you know, let's say the day for you have two kids, she's making $100,000 a year.
She's got to put the kids in daycare.
That costs $50,000.
She's left with $50,000.
Also, you know, I was thinking about this the other day.
It's really, it's actually a big leap of faith when you think about it.
You wouldn't just hand your kid to some stranger you just met and say, hey, watch my kid for eight hours in a day.
But you put a lot of stock in the fact that the state inspects these daycares, even though that's a joke, right?
It's like they can hide all sorts of things from the state and often do.
And it's like, it's a huge leap of faith to even go down that path to begin with, just to hand your kid over to somebody else to watch for hours and hours and hours of their day.
Who knows what they're filling their head with?
Who knows what's going on there?
It just seems like a terrible idea, ultimately.
Yeah, we have some chats coming in here.
We got John Smith.
John Smith said, sorry for the delays, guys.
Sorry for the delays.
The bear versus Man Convo proves women are horrible at risk assessment and they can't decide what they want for dinner.
Yet men should value their input on decisions.
Or do you just want to feel heard?
Who picked Bear?
Show of hands.
Who picked Bear for the Man or Bear?
Bear.
Wait, you picked Bear?
Yeah.
You picked Bear?
Yeah.
I thought you were up.
Oh, she's, okay.
Okay, she rage quit before the show.
Wait, I thought you said you'd rather encounter a random bear.
No, I would rather encounter a man.
Oh, okay.
Sorry.
Oh, yeah, yeah, okay.
So wait, bear, bear, bear.
Yo, John Smith.
John Smith, thank you so much, man.
Appreciate it.
All right, we have Joseph Pastor Wall.
Thank you, man.
Brian and Andrew, good to see you.
Thank you, man.
All these women sitting here wearing too much makeup and trying to argue with Andrew, too many.
And yet, Chair 8 is the only one I would DM.
Brian, hook me up already.
Abigail.
She's married.
She's married, man.
Oh, show the ring.
Yeah, flex the ring again.
Oh, shit.
Beyonce, single lady.
All right.
Yeah, sorry, man.
Maybe there's another girl at the panel.
We got some single.
We got some big.
There you go.
We have Jason Cassell.
Thank you, man.
Jason Castle donated $200.
Appreciate it, man.
This is feminism, people.
All the women on the panel claiming to be Christian.
You can't be a Christian and be a feminist at the same time.
Feminism is antithetical to Christianity.
Feminism is evil.
Oh, okay.
Well, going around the table, Jason Cassell, thank you so much for the TTS.
Really appreciate it.
Do you consider yourself a feminist?
No, not really.
Yeah.
No.
No.
Depends on how you define it, but no.
Okay.
No.
I would say yes, but then if I was asked by a feminist, sometimes they don't think sex workers can be feminists, so it depends.
Yeah.
Okay.
What are they?
I'm anti-feminism.
Anti-feminist, okay.
Same here, anti-feminist.
Yeah, anti-feminist.
Anti-feminist.
All right, we'll come back to the feminist conversation later.
Can I ask a quick question?
Sure.
I was just for chair three.
What do you think, I want to know this.
What do you think submission means?
What does that mean to you?
Submission?
Like submission to your husband.
Like, yeah, respecting your husband, respecting their final decision-making.
I mean, obviously, it depends on the situation, but typically trusting their decision-making.
Then you're deciding when to be submissive, and ultimately you're not being submissive.
What do you mean?
Yeah, well, hang on, hang on, Neon.
Before you get into it, I just want to make sure that because I think it's a fair criticism that, you know, if you're not defining terms, do you think that submission means obey?
Yeah, yeah, I do.
Yeah, obey.
And obedience or submission?
Yeah.
Okay.
Okay, so then why would you, I guess following that line of reason, would it be submissive or non-submissive to question your husband's authority on a major decision?
Well, it's not that I wouldn't listen.
It's that I would want to have a conversation about it.
And I think most decisions can, like, I don't think there, and obviously there's some situations that we addressed that there does need to be an urgent decision that should be made by the husband.
I think most decisions, most major life decisions, can be talked about before they're decided on.
I agree they can be.
What I'm asking you to reconcile is your definition of submission being also obedience, obeying, trusting, doing, and reconciling that with the idea that there needs to be X to placate you if there's even a major decision which happens.
Can you tell me how that fits your definition of submission?
Sorry, what do you mean by that?
Like you're asking what?
Your question, if you question the authority of your husband by demanding a conversation with something he doesn't want to converse about, rather wants you to be obedient in, how does that form to your version of submission?
How's that you being submissive?
I wouldn't necessarily question and demand a conversation.
I think, just in general, it could be problematic if a guy is not seeking discussions with his wife, though.
Because the initial example that was brought up at the very beginning in the clip was you're moving in three weeks, and you come in and you say that.
I don't know why you could not immediately after have a discussion.
Hey, how are you feeling about this?
Instead of coming in and just throwing it on.
Perhaps you can, but the idea here isn't what can or you can or can't do.
The idea here is what is submission, what is not.
Yeah.
Is it actually submission?
If he says, listen, I know that you probably have all sorts of protests here, but I don't want to hear them.
I want you to instead execute and obey what it is that I'm expressing to you that I want done to obey my will.
Are you then submitting or not submitting by saying no?
We need to stop right now and have a conversation about this.
I'm not saying I would stop and say, hey, let's have a conversation.
I might want to, and you can submit to your husband, and I can also still think that he should have a conversation with me about these things.
Yeah, sure.
You can say that you think that he should.
But then the idea there in the clip, then, when you had a criticism, you just countered the criticism because you said, no, I'm not saying that I would actually question it.
That is submission.
And that is exactly what I express.
Submission is obedience.
Right.
Yeah.
No, I'm saying I would absolutely submit to that.
But no, my issue is this idea that guys should not be just making decisions.
Sorry, I know you want to talk.
I would know.
As a person who doesn't care what they have to say all the time.
I don't think that there's decisions where that's, obviously, there are some, but in general, that's not necessary.
So I'm just pointing out that if a guy is doing this on things that can be talked about, that that's an issue.
Well, then that's countering the trust that women should have and faith in men.
No, I again is that inside of a Christian marriage, you're supposed to have trust and faith that your husband's leading you correctly and trust and faith in his authority.
When you say things like this, like, no, he needs to stop and have a conversation with you.
He needs to justify it to you.
He needs to make arguments to you for it, things like this, you're actually countering the view.
It's actually what it does is it inverts it.
It inverts the view of what submission is actually supposed to be, which is obedience to your husband.
It's really inside the Christian view at the purview of the man to make these decisions.
And that I think women should be reinforcing who are Christian women.
They should be reinforcing that idea of trust in your husband, trust in your husband, trust in your husband.
And they don't.
Instead, they resist submission at every level because they think it's mean.
It's quote mean.
You know, it's like that to me is absurd.
I have a question for you, Andrew.
So, question: Is it submission if, like, let's say, you know, you're like, oh, we're going to move.
The husband goes, oh, we're going to move to Nevada in three months.
And then the woman's like, okay, I'm going to pack both of our stuff now.
I just need you to tell me why as I'm packing.
I don't need, like, I'm going to do it either way.
I just need to know the reason.
Is that cool?
Is that submission?
Well, actually, this is a great question.
I understand.
Yeah.
Let me act.
Make sure.
Yeah, yeah.
Let me repeat it back to the show.
So he says, look, we're moving in just a couple of weeks, right?
You need to pack everything up.
I'm doing it.
Okay, I'm packing it up, honey.
Right?
Now tell me why we're doing this again.
Yeah.
Right?
Got it.
So here's the thing.
Let's say you do ask that question.
He says, No.
Why?
Is it legal stuff?
No, no, no.
Don't say no.
Just say, he says, no.
What is your role in the Christian view?
He says, you say, can you tell me why?
And he says, no.
I would be scared if it was, was it legal?
Like, if it's another woman, I don't care.
We'll pack up and leave.
I don't, whatever.
Looks at you and he says, No, it's not legal.
Oh, then I'm like, Okay, like, then whatever.
Okay, if it's not legal, then cool.
We're not like skipping town, you know?
Yeah, okay.
So then you're gonna okay, if it's not legal, then whatever.
Like, I don't care.
I've lived out of a bag for like a 10 years, anyways.
Yeah, yeah, I got it.
But what I'm saying is that within the purview of submission, right?
Is that the fact that you even had to ask him if it was legal is also moving against your idea of trust.
Really?
No way.
Trust in the authority of your husband.
Well, then wait, wait, wait, question.
Question, question, I got a question for you.
What if we, what if I like pre-planned, like, you know, in advance, in a sense, where I was like, hey, on a date with him, you know, before we were even married, and I was like, hey, if you ever needed to skip town, can you just let me know?
My rule, my rule is to let me know, is it legal involved?
If it's legal involved, then I can't.
So you mean you set down some boundaries that you had with before I even get married?
Yeah, early on.
Yes.
Right?
Do you expect him to adhere to the boundaries that you have?
I would hope so.
Yeah, because I'm going to adhere to all my submission.
What?
No way.
Right.
Come on.
It's earlier.
It's a mission.
But can he just tell me if it's legal or not?
The mission is obedience to your husband.
I know, but what about the law?
Obedience to the husband.
Listen, I'm going to try to explain this the best way I can.
Inside the Christian view, even if pre-marriage you had some discussion about whatever it was, right?
Here's what is put on the man's shoulders in the Christian view.
He's to put his life before the lives of his wife and before the lives of his children.
He's to accept all danger.
They get the lifeboat, right?
He doesn't get the lifeboat.
He stays behind, right?
If they're marooned on a desert island, he's the one who gets eaten and not them.
Okay?
If there's any sort of defense of the nation which comes up, his duty and obligation is to go and take care of that problem.
By the way, these are not the only duties that they have.
That's just some.
But starting, the starting level of security at the home starts with the husband and the head, who is the husband.
If they are providing those duties and providing those resources inside of the home, as they're supposed to do, inside of the Christian view, right?
Their wife's job is to submit to the authority.
If he's holding up his end, right?
His end of the authority here, you're supposed to be holding up his end of the authority, period.
Okay, well, quick question.
Last one.
So what if we made this thing where I was like, okay, if we ever need to skip town, move, whatever, could I just be like this?
And then if you do this, then I know it's not legal.
So I'm not an accomplice.
Like, you can put in the request for any high sign that you would want.
Okay, I'll just be like this.
And if he goes like this, I'm like, listen, you can put in a request, but that's the opposite of submission to make a demand that he obeys your authority.
A husband is not obligated to obey the authority of their wife.
The opposite is the case.
I just went like this, and you know, legal.
Like, is this?
I know, but what if they respond with this?
You know?
Even if it was legal, I'd be like, cool, do I get a lawyer?
Like, you know, to help us for.
I gave you my high sign, right?
I would want to know if it was legal.
If it was legal, it's fine.
I'll just get a lawyer.
That's fine.
I just want to know, do I make the call?
No, you don't have any trust or faith in your husband.
I do.
I do have trust.
I just want to know if it's legal.
If you have trust, then trust.
But the legal issue.
Why that makes so much sense?
Because the idea here is that if the man is taking the head, the Christ head here, right?
The same way you're supposed to trust and have faith in Christ is the same way you're supposed to trust and have faith.
So I'm going to assume it's not legal.
Yes.
Yes.
Okay.
I just thought immediate trust.
Yeah.
As long as it's not legal, I'm cool.
I don't care.
I can live anyway.
About how easy it'd be too to trust in a man who's taking on the role of dying for you.
Like, your husband is supposed to love you as Christ of the church, and Christ died for you.
So, I think it'd be really, really, really easy to take in that submission role and take on that submission role when you know that he loves you enough to die for you.
Yeah, I'm cool, but he knows that I'm going to do this at one point.
Wait, I do have going around the table on that note: the man being willing to die.
Should your boyfriend, so you've been dating for a year, should your husband be willing to die for, like, take the bullet for you?
Yeah, yeah, yes, yeah, yes, yes, yeah, yeah, yes, yeah, only if he wants to, because, yeah, okay, quick answer, willing to, yes, willing to, yes, yes, yes, yes, okay, um, and then if a guy wasn't willing to, like, what's your response?
Like, if he's like, nah, I'm not doing it, then why are we dating?
Why are we dating?
Why are we dating?
Okay, he's got to give his life, he's obviously not fulfilling that role, not fulfilling that role.
No, I think, like, as Christians, we should be willing to take the bullet.
Like, I'm willing to take a bullet for most people.
Like, I think that it's pretty selfish.
But in this situation, it sounds you said man, the man should take the bullet.
Yeah, I mean, I think everyone should, like, I would take a bullet for my husband too.
Yeah, me too.
Yeah, I would take that.
Yeah, too.
Yeah, but like, that's actually beating up your own biblical role again, right?
So I would take a bullet.
The reason.
Of course, Andrew's mad at me for wanting to die for my husband.
Look, I'm not even trying to be, I'm beating up the ideology, not you personally.
I just, the things that you're saying here don't make any sense.
Even from the Christian role, that would be incorrect.
He should step in for all threats towards his family.
That is his ultimate duty unto not only fulfill to his family, but unto God.
He's supposed to.
You don't have to.
Yeah, but I want to.
And here's why you shouldn't.
And I think we should.
Hang on.
Here's why you shouldn't even, because the idea is you're a caretaker for the children, this kind of thing, right?
These roles are set for a specific reason, right?
But all of this usually comes down to just a paltry excuse for egalitarianism and refusal to submit to your husband's authority.
And so you come up with all sorts of crazy mental gymnastics to try to justify egalitarianism, why we need to be more equal, why the husband and wife need to have a fair shake against each other.
No, the Christian view: submission of the wife to the husband, husband leads and is in authority.
Okay.
Wait, I had to follow up on this.
Well, I guess my confusion is there was a lot of pushback on this whole, oh, the man, like, you don't, you don't want to be submissive to your husband, but you want him to die for you?
Like, does that seem like a fair, like the least a man can get, I suppose a Christian man can get, is if he's willing to die for you, if he's going to provide, if he's going to protect, you should at least obey him.
That's a way better, that's like way better trade-off.
I just have to obey, you have to die.
Shit, if somebody gave me the choice, y'all, none of y'all are going to date me after this.
If I have to obey some, if the choice is, okay, Brian, you got to obey somebody or you die.
I think I'd rather obey somebody.
Now I'm going to get called a beta male, whatever.
Fine.
I accept the beta male title.
I will survive and whatever.
I think the woman should take the bullet because I'm better suited to, you know, after breastfeeding, I'm better capable.
Maybe breast, like breastfeeding, the women are better at.
Can you milk a man?
I don't think they're actually doing lecture.
I heard, yeah, but there's like there's not enough lactate.
Males do, males do lactate.
Yeah.
Or males do lactate.
Yes.
Yep.
You can milk a man.
Wow, that is disgusting.
That's disgusting.
Take drugs for it.
But it was a big to-do because there was a group of the Ts who pumped themselves full, in fact, of various hormones so that they could lactate more.
And there was a big controversy over what the quality was of what they were putting out there.
When it was scientifically tested, it was not good.
Yeah.
Interesting.
Sugar.
Yeah.
I don't know, man.
I just think, shit.
Sorry, Katie.
If the guy's got to take a bullet for you.
It's a fair trade-off.
You got to listen to what he says.
You got to listen to him.
Somebody in your chat said man milk.
That's so gross.
Oh my gosh, that sounds like an actual drink.
We have some chats here on the YouTube side we need to get through.
Oh, Andrew, this is Rachel Wilson's wife.
Maybe we need a little cameo if she's feeling up to it.
Andrew listens to me often, but what's best for him is what's best for me.
Therefore, in situations where he doesn't want my input, he isn't obligated.
Obedience to your husband, husband is obedience to God.
Well put, Rachel.
This is interesting because I never seen this type of dynamic.
So to me, it's like I'm looking at it through a bush, like just kind of peeking around, like, oh, this is cool.
Like, you know, I never heard of this stuff before.
Yeah, that's that is Andrew's wife, Rachel.
We have Beatin'.
My slave, my slave.
Andrew's, Andrew's slave, yes.
Beat in cheeks here.
Specifically to the stove.
She is allowed to come out on Tuesdays and Wednesdays for sunlight.
You know, I'm a very sunlight.
Is she a vampire or not a vampire because of the sunlight?
Never mind.
Okay.
Yeah, I give her some sunlight.
Come on.
Yeah, of course.
Beat in cheeks.
I love how these boss babes, parentheses, feminists, want a simp, not a man.
Being a boss babe is not only unchristian-like, but against the Christian patriarchal view of maintaining a healthy family dynamic.
Why would you feminists want another person to watch over your kids?
Does anybody want to do a response to Beat and Cheeks?
Morgan, do you want?
Sorry, did I?
It's not Maddie.
My bad.
Right?
Maddie's right.
Sorry, I got the M's got me all fucked up.
Maddie, my apologies.
I feel like we've talked about this a lot of times.
Doesn't need to be recapped again.
But yeah, if it was, I think, you know, the situation, it would benefit the kids to be at home.
I didn't need to work in any sense of the word.
I would stay at home and work.
I've said that.
Okay.
People are going to have different opinions on that, and that is 100% okay with me.
Boss babe, it is.
Wait, sorry, boss babe, it is.
What do you mean?
Yeah, they can call me that.
It's great.
Oh, okay.
All right.
He follows up by saying, I will ask the famous Andrew question.
If men are supposed to be providers and protectors to not only their family, but to provide society something significant as their duty, what duties do women bring?
What do you women bring to the table?
Are you virgins?
If not.
Actually, this is a fantastic question brought up by Beat and Cheeks.
So he's asking this, and maybe we can go around the panel on this.
If it is the case that men's job in society is to procure resources, so think of it from a bird's eye view.
The whole world's a bunch of warring tribes, which is exactly what it is between different nations, countries, things like this.
If it's the men's job to procure resources, refine resources, distribute resources, and it is their job to defend the nation and defend the social security inside of the nation.
So the security of all people.
What is the equal role that women have in society to that?
That's his question.
It's a good question for the panel.
Yeah, while we start, we'll start on this side.
What do you think?
I don't know, to be honest.
I believe from the dawn of time, we're gatherers.
They're hunters.
We're supposed to just be at home.
And I mean, I love traditional wives.
I actually, Abigail, respect.
I watch your life.
I want the life.
Honestly, yeah, because once I get married and I have kids, I truly believe because I chose that man and I already know his mindset enough to like choose him.
So I need to trust him because obviously that's why I chose him.
I would not just get with the man that I did not trust.
So, I mean, I mean, yeah, blind's eye view, like I would just kind of respect him all the way because I got to know him before we did, before we married.
What about to the question, though?
What is the equal responsibility to society that is equal to society?
The equal responsibility that women have to that responsibility that I laid out that men have, what is the equal one that women have?
I guess just keeping the home, keeping the home, keeping the kids, keeping everything stable on that side.
All right, let's get somebody else.
Go ahead and what about you?
I would say it's nurturing, raising a family, teaching kids good principles, good morals, teaching them about the Bible.
I think that's really important, as well as provide, not providing, sorry, people blame me, like cooking, taking care of the home as well.
But overall, just ensuring the well-being of husband, kids, and the home.
But men have to match up to that life as well.
And I feel like that's also something in modern day that we do not see a lot.
And so in a perfect world, it's easy to talk about, here's the line, let's divide it, but it's not always that way.
True.
No, I agree with you guys that motherhood is absolutely an amazing gift and something that is obviously essential to society.
Obviously, not every woman, though, is called to be mother.
Some women never get married.
And that doesn't mean that they are less valuable to society.
And so you can absolutely still provide amazing value to the world as not a mother.
But I do agree that motherhood is an amazing thing, amazing gift.
So motherhood would be what you would say would be the equal responsibility on women to the responsibility socially that men have.
Well, I think that women who aren't married or don't like, or just don't have kids yet, I still think that they are, they have a responsibility to give value to the world in other ways.
What are those ways?
I'm curious.
Like, just like, for instance, my job right now is working full-time in the pro-life movement.
And I think that's something that is, I've been called into.
Wait, that's still based around motherhood, though.
Wait, I have a quick question on that.
If your husband said, hey, this advocacy that you're doing is fantastic, but like you want to have kids, right?
Yeah.
Okay.
And he said, well, once you start having kids, got to cut that out.
I love, I'm, hey, I'm a pro-life husband, whatever.
But your work in that organization must cease.
Do you listen to him?
I would if he absolutely like made that decision, but no, my husband supports me continuing my work when we do have kids because I love what I do and it's great.
Oh, that's important work.
Yeah.
Sure.
I think that women are, like, I believe that you're supposed to live as you're not going to get married and because some people aren't called to be married.
And so I'm going to live that way.
But then let's say I do get married.
Well, Neha, I ain't going to hang on.
I just, I'm really sorry to cut you off.
I don't mean to do this.
The only reason I'm doing it is because this is a very specific question, which is not tailored to you individually as people, as the person.
So I'm not asking you to ask people this question.
So I'm going to repeat the question.
Men's job in society is to procure resources, refine resources, distribute resources.
Every single job skill that you look at will provide this for you, right?
95%, 96% in many cases, 97%.
Things like electricians, things like oil rig operators, things like construction workers, right?
The people and people who go out and actually procure resources, basically all men, almost all of them.
This seems to be what their social and societal role is.
That is the case if they are to protect society and provide resources on behalf of women and children in society.
What is the equal social duty that women have to that?
I think caretakers and nurturers, whether that's in their communities and the people that they're around and their churches, and then for those men.
Okay.
Quick answers, if we can.
I mean, I guess I didn't really grow up in a nuclear family, so I don't really, like, I'm just, I, you know, this is it has nothing to do with you.
Okay, yeah.
Prescriptively, what do you think socially women do?
I did babysit when I was younger, so I would say that, yeah, I guess they could nurture the my mom, yeah, it has nothing to do with me, so never mind that wouldn't, that wouldn't pertain.
But so again, back to motherhood nurturing.
Okay, yeah, yeah, I would agree.
Um, having kids and making sure that they're raised properly with a good moral foundation, and then they're also educated properly because the education system is next providing relief and nurturing and stuff.
Um, I just we prepare the medical.
Next, yeah, well said.
I think an ideal society has nuclear families everywhere.
So, fostering a nuclear family, raising your daughter up, and the way that we have described women need to be, and raising your son up, and the way that you described men need to be would be.
So, then we essentially have universal agreement almost on this panel that the social obligation for women is based around motherhood and raising the next generation of children in some way participating towards that.
That seems to be the social obligation that you universally agree on.
However, here's the problem: in all Western nations, and almost all nations, in fact, but the West particularly, we are not at reproductive rates to replace our society at all.
We are under replacement across the board, which means that women are failing in this social duty of both reproduction and the assistance towards the ends of reproduction, which, by the way, all of you on this panel agreed is the social equal of what men are providing for you.
However, men are upholding their end, which is the procurement, refinement, distribution of resources, and protection of society.
So, I want, so the question boils down to this.
Since this is the case, what do you think should be done that's not based around, well, actually, we'll just make it easy.
What do you think should be done so that women go back to this idea of role of reproduction in society and this social role of being matrons and raising the next generation since you think that's the social duty?
Go ahead.
So, I actually had a video.
I don't know if you've seen this interview ever, but you two, Bono is very political.
And he did an interview, I think, a couple years ago, and it said, America is a very young country, and it hasn't developed its structure quite yet.
And I don't know if I'm saying that correctly, but this interview is online, and he talks about how America is so young that it's going to eventually within the next like hundred years develop its, you know, that type of a structure, like its family structure, its political, like each country is every country.
Just this issue, the reproduction issue, is in the entirety of all Western nations, regardless of age.
Of the United States, though, right?
United States?
All of them, including the United States.
Okay, do you.
But there's other nations which are which, okay, so have been longer?
The United States, my understanding is that the United States is actually the oldest current established nation with its original established foundational constitution.
It's the oldest one that exists currently.
I see the pilgrim vibes coming back.
Now, other nations, other nations, which you could argue are older, like England or the UK, things like that.
Sure.
But they suffer from the same reproduction crisis.
Really?
I know Japan, yeah.
All of them.
I think there's a there's just, I mean, I have a personal opinion about Japan in a sense where I feel like there's a lot of shame in, you know, for the man to carry a lot of the, you know, the, how do I say it, financial and responsibilities.
And if anything happens, then, you know, it's dishonor to him.
And so why won't women fulfill their social role?
Why won't women fulfill their social roles?
Yeah, their social roles of reproducing, having the next generation and assisting with that, which is what all you agreed, is the social role that women have if men are going to be providing all this for them.
I think there's a communication issue, like between, not between me and you or anything, but there's a communication issue between men and women.
Like, I think that, like, and this is just, I've taken, you know, polls from my own life and also, you know, other situations and scenarios that I've heard of and seen just over the course of my 32 years.
I think that like the problem is, is like the whole ghosting thing, that shouldn't even happen.
That's going to kill a culture.
Same thing with cancel culture.
That's going to kill a culture.
You know, you got to, if you don't want to talk to somebody no more, you need to tell them why.
Unless it was a super violent reason, you can bail, sure, but you got to tell them why so then they can at least utilize that reason for the next person.
Like, you know, why are you going to like hoard that information from them?
And so it's men's faults or no, it's both, both faults.
They both, cancel culture needs to stop, and so does ghosting, both of them.
That's going to kill a culture.
How is that going to assist with the reproduction?
Because then people will be more honest.
Like, hey, I didn't really like you because, you know, you're kind of hairy or you're kind of like, you're kind of masculine or something.
And then I would remember that stuff because mostly dudes would just ghost me and then never tell me what was wrong.
And all of a sudden, 10 years later, when I change, they hit me up and then they want to be with me.
And I'm like, what?
Okay, so what was wrong with me?
Oh, it was just, I don't know.
And I'm like, no, you tell me what was wrong with me.
And you should have told me then so I could have utilized that information and used it in my next relationship.
No, no, no, no.
It's men's fault in my scenario, but I'm sure.
I'm sure.
I mean, for me, as of in the recent, like at least, because I had a problem with ghosting for a very long time.
So I always told people this was just something in my mechanisms that I used myself in the past seven years.
I always told people why I stopped talking to them.
Absolutely.
100%.
So you think that the reproduction crisis will be solved if people stop ghosting?
It would be helped.
It wouldn't be solved, but it would be helped.
Because then people could figure out what was actually wrong with them, according to other people, as opposed to people just being like, oh, I'm going to bail out, whatever.
Like, you know, I'll just find anyone.
And it's like, no, like, tell somebody what's wrong so they can fix the problem.
And if they ain't going to do it with you, they're going to do it with the next person.
Okay, fair enough.
Chair one, what do you think?
We'll go around real quick.
If the social obligation is of women to reproduce and assist with reproduction, which all of you agreed is their role, why do you think they're failing in that obligation?
Honestly, I'm super agreeing.
Honestly, if there was.
Oof.
Give me one second.
Okay, chair two, bro.
Bruh, I wouldn't say this is something that like specifically comes down to like traditional women aren't doing their jobs.
I feel like it's a problem all over the world in countries, in some countries, a lot worse than the U.S.
I think a lot of it comes down to economic stability.
A lot of families don't feel comfortable with being able to provide for a large amount of kids.
College tuition is expensive.
Well, I do believe, I mean, people want that.
Yeah, I think everybody wants that.
They just want to have a child.
Can you explain why it is the poor have more kids than the rich and the middle class than if it's about money?
I think that's a question for perhaps you.
Sure.
No, I actually agree that it's not just, it's not a failure of women necessarily because it takes two to create a child.
Women themselves cannot go and create a child on their own.
And like, obviously, as someone who works in pro-life activism, financial instability is a primary reason why people are getting abortions.
Another reason is oftentimes the baby's father doesn't want a child.
A lot of the women I've worked with seeking abortions are there because the baby's father is dragging them there because men aren't willing to be responsible fathers either.
So it's both.
It's men and women.
I think that definitely are.
Well, even if you're compensated for abortions yearly, it wouldn't solve the reproduction crisis.
Not even close.
Sorry, what'd you say?
Even if you were to compensate for the abortions yearly, it still would not solve the reproduction crisis.
Right.
I mean, it would help.
But no, I think the reasons people are getting abortion is the same.
Yeah, it's the same reasons, though, as financial instability.
And I also do think there's a problem with people don't value motherhood and feminism or what people consider feminism now.
I guess what modern feminism has become is telling women that motherhood is less of an important role than being a CEO or whatever.
And that's not true.
Motherhood is one of the most important things.
What incentive do men have to marry women who won't submit, though?
And on top of that, here's what actually causes it, the reproduction crisis.
There's actually just really one major correlation which causes it, is that women take their reproductive years, their 20s, which is their primary reproductive years, and they go to college in their 20s, and they don't start having families until they're about on average now in the U.S., 28 years old before they start.
But a lot of them are starting in their 30s.
Most marriages now are starting in their 30s.
Because of this, women have less children, significantly less children.
So actually, it seems to me that if you wanted to solve the problem of having your entire nation completely replaced by immigrants or people who aren't from your nation, that the way that you could solve this is by having some sort of propaganda campaign at the national level to glorify the family and not to glorify women going to college, which seems to be a complete and total waste of what women's social obligation is, which is having children and bringing up the next generation of society.
Andrew, I have a question.
So what do you think about parents?
Like, because they exist out there.
I'm just going to say they exist, seen them.
What do you think about parents that don't want their kids to have kids?
That they just want to be the parent forever.
They don't ever want to be a grandparent.
They don't ever want the identity of a grandparent.
They don't ever want to get old.
What do you think about those parents?
Because there are those parents out there.
Well, hold on.
I'd actually prefer if the panel responds to Andrew's point that he just, it's no, it's okay.
Maybe later we can get into it.
Here was the point.
If you stave off in their 20s, if women were to stave off in their 20s, and here's how we know this, because we can look at reproduction rates, especially since the 1800s, where they've been dropping like a rock, right?
And we can see that when women were getting married younger, we were having many more children because multiple reasons.
Primary one is they have more childbearing years.
The second is the children tend to be much healthier.
Three, the mother tends to be able to recover much better.
So any woman will tell you who's had a child in their 20s that it was a breeze in comparison to when they had one in their 30s or especially in their 40s, right?
Which is like, they can be god-awful on their body at that point.
So it seems that what we're doing is we're taking the smartest women who should be at home raising the next generation and telling them instead that they should be going to college and sacrificing their childbearing years in order to get a job, which, by the way, the types of jobs that they're getting, there's basically only three categories.
None of them are getting jobs in STEM.
So to delay money in psychology and they're getting degrees in nursing and they're getting degrees in sociology.
That's mainly what they're getting degrees in.
They're basically not doing anything STEM-wise.
And half of them or more don't even work in the very fields they got a degree in.
So this seems backwards to me, right?
Doesn't that seem backwards to everybody?
Would you just see that it's just they're afraid of the older generation is afraid of aging?
What do you mean?
Like they're afraid of aging.
They don't ever want to be a grandparent, so they don't tell their kids to have kids.
You mean in these isolated, I'm not familiar with this phenomenon.
Wait, what?
Very common.
Wait, you never, you know, older parents are telling their children not to have children.
I'm sure there's some antinatalists out there who do that.
They're called anti-natalists.
Wait.
Yeah.
Antinatalists are people who don't want other people to have children.
Really?
Oh, okay.
Okay.
Thank you.
I didn't know.
So anyway, yeah, back to the point, though.
That's what it seems like.
So shouldn't we do that?
Shouldn't we try to defer women from going to college and instead to move younger towards marriage if you wanted to actually solve this issue?
Not necessarily.
I think that you can still go to college and be a mom at the same time.
I think that's important.
That I mean, that's a common thing that I will agree with you.
Society pushes on women that you can't be a mother and you can't have a career and be a mother.
You can't be a mother and be successful.
Being a mother is success in itself, but you can still do both.
I do think in general, though, there's a push for people to go to college.
And my generation definitely is going to college just because they're expected to.
And I don't think that's just a women thing.
I think that's in general.
Like people just go to college when they don't know what to do with their life.
My idea here in society is that if the social push for women, right, for them to actually do the same, what their duty is to society, which you agree is reproduction, the assistance towards reproduction, right?
That's what you guys universally agreed is the social duty of women.
Well, not always.
That's the case.
Yeah, but even the cases where they can't, where women can't have children, just like in the cases where men can't defend the nation or are unable to defend their families due to physical illness, we still would be pushing society towards a role that men and women did do this.
So we don't take the outliers and then make policy based on the outliers.
That's what makes them outliers.
So the thing is, is like, if that is the case, wouldn't you want the kind of top-down rhetoric from your leadership, like even TPUSA or even the president of the United States on down, to be to women not to waste their childbearing years in school, but instead take their childbearing years and move into the idea of husband and family, that would solve, that would actually solve the reproduction crisis.
That would solve it.
Done.
Yeah.
That solves the immigration issue of having to pump in millions of immigrants.
That solves the issue.
I mean, it just solves it outright.
Doesn't seem like a good idea.
Right?
Yeah.
And I mean, people can go to college and work and have children, but they don't, obviously, because we have an issue with.
And why?
I mean, but think about it.
It makes sense why they don't.
You're going to go to class for like, you know, eight hours a day.
You're doing homework.
You're studying.
You're focusing on career.
You're doing all these different things.
Of course, having a child when you're a sophomore in college is going to put a significant demand on your time and stop your whole college career outright, right?
So I actually have some anecdotal, and maybe the viewers in the chat can weigh in on this, Andrew.
When I was myself in college trying to date and stuff, the amount of times I would get, and hey, look, maybe they just weren't feeling it.
But the amount of times I would get like, oh, hey, you want to grab dinner?
Oh, I got a test.
I got to study.
I'm busy.
I got a midterm, got a final.
That came up all the time when I was dating when I was like more college age.
And a lot of those fizzled out and maybe they just weren't feeling it, whatever.
But there's a lot of women who are like in some pretty intensive programs, especially if it's in certain STEM fields.
Like fucking biochem.
That's, that's, you got to study.
That's not, that's not a.
That's not a sociology class.
Biochem, like those are difficult classes.
And so there is like maybe that component.
Maybe men have encountered this with dating.
It's like, and then you get a job, then you're working nine to five, you're tired, all this sort of stuff.
And so, yeah.
I have a question.
Sure.
Andrew, what would your advice be to an 18-year-old girl who is wants to do that?
She wants to be a mother at the age of 20, 21, but she has to provide for herself.
Like her parents, like, I'm kicking you out of the house at 18 and you can either go to college or you can get a job and move out and like get your own apartment.
And there's some women too, like the Bible doesn't say that every single person is going to find somebody to marry and have children.
And so we are put in a position where, okay, I'm going to have to live.
Like I'm not going to get married.
And if God happens to put that person in my life and I do get married, I'm happy to hop into that role of submission and be the wife and the nurturing mother that God's called me to be.
But what do you say to the 18-year-old who's like, what do I do?
Do you remember the parable of the talents?
Help me recall.
Yeah, the parable of the talents is a parable laid down, which essentially is expressing that you should use your talents on behalf of God, Jesus Christ, right?
That is essentially what it boils down to.
There's more to it.
But for the sake of time, we'll just say that essentially is what it boils down to.
What I have noticed and noted is that women seem to have absolutely no problem toggling working and then going to college part-time so that they can get a degree.
They can seem to be laser focused on career if necessary.
But when it comes to being laser focused on marriage, they seem to kind of let that go by the wayside.
And I hear a lot of the God cope, which says, hey, right?
I'm just waiting for God to put the right man in front of me.
Well, how about you use your God-given talents and find the right damn man?
There's tons of them out there and focus like a laser like you would on school and college and this type of thing.
Instead of utilizing the cope of like, one day, I hope that God will magic down the correct man for me.
It's like, look, you have talents.
And as Christ expressed, these talents are supposed to be utilized on behalf of God.
One of the talents that women seem to really have and universally have is being able to find a man who can provide for them.
They even in modernity seem to still have that talent.
Well, what would you say to the verse, he who finds a wife finds a good thing, not she who finds a husband finds a good thing?
Like, I think the man is the, it takes on that role of pursuit over the woman.
And I like, I believe.
I think what I've noticed, I agree with you, that men take on the pursuit role.
But I have noticed that when women want to be pursued by certain men, they let it be known.
Totally.
They drop the handkerchief.
Situations where they're going to encounter him again, or they put themselves in situations where they drop subtle hits to their friends.
They seem to put it out there that they're wanting this man to pursue them, right?
They don't seem to have any trouble with that social dynamic.
So, what do you think?
Like, I'm going to all the right things.
I'm involved in a Bible study.
I'm involved in my church.
I'm involved serving here and going to all these places where I would meet this man.
And then, like, he's up, it's up to him to pursue.
Once I, like, you know, drop some hints here and there.
I'm not going to take on that role of pursuit and saying that I want you and I want you to provide for me and I want to do those things because I feel like that takes on a very masculine role.
So, what would you say to that?
Is that wrong?
Let me ask you a question.
Okay.
Are you part of the LDS as well?
I'm not.
I'm Christian.
Just non-denominational?
Non-denominational.
Okay, so you're non-denominational.
So, you have a vast pool here of men to choose from, at least in the regards of your faith.
So, other phase, the reason I ask this is there's some phase where, look, you can't even date outside of that faith, right?
Orthodoxy is one.
You're not allowed to marry somebody who's not an orthodox.
Okay, so that's why I asked this question.
But for you, right, if women spend as much time being laser-focused on getting a good husband as they do with other pursuits, they would tend to get probably a pretty good husband.
But you can't expect that he's going to be magicked up.
You also have to do your part like women have always done, by the way.
They used to always put themselves out there looking for courtship from different men, and men will pursue.
How do you think that looks?
They're never going to have a trouble with men pursuing them.
That's not a problem.
That's not an issue they have.
What is it's the men they want to do?
It is a problem.
It is a problem for a lot of women.
Pool is a lot smaller.
Yeah, let's find out if it's a problem for a lot of women.
If there was men right now, let's just say there was a man, random man in the room who was equal age with each one of you, and you guys opened up your DMs.
How many DMs do you guys get compared to that man that say, hi, beautiful?
Hello, gorgeous.
Oh, girl, I saw you on such and such, and you were amazing.
Oh, my God, you're, you know, what's up, hottie?
How many of those do you guys get?
Go ahead, raise your hand if you get those DMs.
Come on, don't lie to me.
Raise your hands if you get those DMs.
Uh-huh.
Uh-huh.
And let me tell you how many of those DMs I get.
And I'm a fairly well-known, pretty famous at this point, podcaster.
But you're married.
A couple.
A couple.
Okay, but the guy's DM.
DMe.
She's married.
She's married and gets them.
She's married and gets them.
Other women are married and get them.
What are you talking about?
The thing is, is like very few, very few.
And I have many advantages, huge advantages other men don't have.
So the thing is, it's like the pursuit is not an issue for women.
That's insane, right?
They get pursued endlessly.
It's who's the right man and the kind of pickiness factor and this and that.
I think that women, unfortunately, the older we've, I mean, as society's gone on, we've gotten pickier.
Men have gotten pickier.
I think that when you have countless people at your disposal with Tinder and Hinge and Instagram, you are less satisfied with the option that you're given.
However, the DMs that I'm getting are very rarely a high-caliber man that I would be open to going on a date with.
I've saved myself.
I'd expect him to, I don't expect him to save himself, but I expect him to have those same moral standings and beliefs that I do.
And very rarely the guys in my DMs are that.
And so, no, I'm not going to allow.
How old did you say you were?
I'm 22.
Yeah, you're 22, right?
So, yeah, if you pursue, rigorously pursue finding a man who has the caliber of qualities that you're after, in this case, good foundational Christian ethics, and you have reasonable standards when it comes to things like income, height, and look, nobody's asking you to date somebody you're not attracted to.
That's basically an impossibility for most people.
Nobody's saying that you should do that, though.
I do think attraction can grow over time between two people.
But overall, I would say that if you keep your standards within the confines of reason, just remember that young men at your age, they have potential, right?
You're looking for the potential for what they can do when they're in their 30s and 40s.
Most men your age are going to be broke as shit.
They're going to be broke, right?
They're going to be fucking working a job that's somewhat menial, right?
And it's after they engage in family that they grow into that role, by the way.
So it's not fine, you know, as long as he has the grounding foundational ethics that you're after, the Christian ethics.
A lot of that stuff grows post-marriage and post-family.
It's these standards so high, though, for a lot of women where they're like, oh, he's got to make $100,000 a year.
And it's like at 23, he can make $100,000 a year at 23 or 24 or 25.
What are your standards?
That's for men in their 30s.
What are your standards?
Yeah, what are you looking for in a guy?
I am looking for, number one, a guy who fears the Lord and loves the Lord with his whole heart.
I think that a lot flows from that.
I'm looking for a guy who's ambitious and has goals and is a doer and he says what he's going to do.
I think that there's a lot of, I would love to follow after a man that his word means something and I see it in action.
And I think that honestly, a lot flows from both of those.
I think that a character and a guy, if he really is honoring the Lord and wants to honor the Lord and all that he's doing, I mean, I would respect the heck out of him.
I would submit to him for sure.
Like, but there's very, it's very rare that I come across man like that that I really respect.
Are there any things looks-wise like he's got to be yeah, like I've got to be attracted to him, but I think that changes.
Okay.
I think that totally changes.
I also think that that's so fleeting.
Oh my gosh.
Like, I mean, if I'm going to choose dating a guy who's six foot over maybe his character, I think that's incredibly stupid and I'm probably not ready for marriage.
So I mean, it's like, I think that I'd rather, much rather choose man's character over the way he looks when I'm approaching trouble with our kids, when I'm approaching trouble in our finances and the things that we're going to experience on this earth.
And his six foot, brown hair, blue-eyed look is really not going to hold up when we're under the weight of the world.
And so I'm going to marry character over that any day of the week.
But I also think it's tough because you do need to be attracted.
God wants us to be attracted to our partners.
Like it's going to be hard to have a nice sex life when you're, you know, like, oof, I don't know if I, you know, look like that.
It's hard to reproduce with people.
Totally.
They can feel it too.
That makes sense, right?
It makes sense.
It's hard to reproduce with people you don't want to have sex with.
Attraction is a fundamental part of relationship dynamics.
I'm not disputing that that's the case.
But here's the thing, right?
If it is the case that a lot of women, if they want to have those resources for families when they're younger, it used to be very commonplace for women who are in their 20s, early 20s to marry men who are in their 30s.
Men in their 30s, still very attractive and end up having a lot more resources, things like this.
But what's happened as a modern phenomenon is women get really upset about the idea of age gaps.
They get super pissed about it.
That's because they're not.
I'm not super.
Yeah, that's not a problem.
I was always chasing the age gap when I was younger, so I understand.
They get upset about it because it's competition for them within their age tier, right?
There's always a younger, more beautiful woman.
So they get mad about that shit, right?
But one thing you could do inside of the tier, you know, if you're looking for that now and you think that women, men in their 20s are just playboys, look for men in their 30s who are more grounded and established.
Those guys probably will do a lot more taking care of you, much more ready to settle down.
And, you know, here's the thing.
This may be shocking, but as it turns out, men in their 30s really, really like to have sex with young, hot women.
Isn't that crazy?
Right.
And they also enjoy marrying them.
So it's like it's not, it's not crazy for women to be seeking outside of that age bracket.
Okay.
We have a couple chats we need to get to.
We have.
I thought you missed her.
She was asking a question.
Oh, sorry.
My one concern with the age gap, and I know this is weird, but simply put, I don't want a man who's been promiscuous in the past, and I feel like that happens a lot with the age gap.
And I also don't want a man that's going to die a lot sooner than me because when I'm 80, I need someone to still protect me.
Yeah, but the age gap argument, nobody is saying you have sons.
That's what you have sons for.
So the thing is, is like that's, and by the way, again, the church has looked at this problem every which way.
When I say the churching in the Orthodox Church, here's the truth.
The truth is, is that you're making what's called deferment.
It is true that those men may die before you die, right?
Perhaps even 20 years before.
But you have sons.
Your sons are going to protect you.
By the way, the old saying goes, even bad men love their mamas.
That means that even if it is the case that you raise hooligan sons, even they, you know what I mean, ain't going to let nothing happen to mama.
That's the way that that works.
You can't count on having sons.
What's that?
You can't count on having sons, though.
Like, that's not a guarantee.
Yeah, if you have, if you're a person who plans on having five, six children, right?
You get started young, I think that you being able to count on having a son or two is pretty high.
It's significantly high.
But let's just say that you don't.
You still have brothers.
You still have cousins.
You still have other members of family.
Those people will also step in for that protectorate role if your husband dies early.
Also, matrons in society have less to fear in that regard.
If your daughters, for instance, they're married, now you have sons-in-law, they're also going to help out mother-in-law, right?
The idea here is that you're creating a grounded foundation for family.
That's the whole point.
And so it's like, it seems absurd to me because the other thing is you can defer resources.
So you can make the argument he'll be a father for less time.
By the time kids are 18, you've spent 90% of all the time you're ever going to spend with them.
90% of the time.
So if that's the case, then that means you're just deferring resources and saying, well, they could also give them a way better life within the confines of those 18 years.
Can you address the promiscuity thing I said, though?
Because I do not want a man who is promiscuous.
Yeah, men shouldn't be promiscuous.
Yeah, that's true.
But here's the thing.
And I'm just going to be blunt with you.
Most women care far less about former male promiscuity than men care about women's.
No, I agree with that.
I agree with that.
And here's the reason for that.
The reason for that is based around knowing who your offspring is.
So for women, the virtue of chastity is the reason so ingrained in men is because we, before there was paternity tests, which are a recent advent, we needed to know who was having our children, right?
If they were sleeping with multiple men, you didn't know if it was your child or not.
And so that's why we're hardwired against it.
We loathe it.
We think it's gross.
You know, the whole nine yards.
However, the phenomenon is the opposite.
Oftentimes, women, if a man is a virgin in their 30s, will think he's weird or sick or has a problem or he's a red flag because why won't women sleep with him if he's in his 30s and is staying a virgin?
There's actually incentives in society for men to sleep with women that aren't there in reverse except for peer pressure of women.
So I think it's actually, I wouldn't look, this is just my opinion, but I wouldn't look at the virtue of the man having slept with, you know, I don't know, like five, six, seven former women even.
I think that that's going to ultimately be less important in that dynamic than in the opposition.
I know that sounds counterintuitive.
No, I agree.
I just think about it, though.
No, I agree with you.
Okay.
Oh, wait, just to be clear, so you're a virgin, right?
Me?
Yeah, I'm a virgin.
And are you wanting only to date a guy who's a virgin?
It would be preferable.
And typically members in my church do wait for marriage.
But if I meet the right guy, standards change and stuff based off of the person, based off of their virtues and everything.
Got it.
Yeah, I mean, I think with the age gap thing, it's not, I don't think when it comes to age gaps, the argument there isn't if you're a young woman, you should or have to date. older men.
It's just more so countering like, oh, this is predatory on the man's part to want to date a younger adult woman or explaining reasons for it.
Did you think it was weird?
I had a 62-year-old swipe up on me on a dating app.
Would you think that's weird?
Just wondering.
62.
Swiping on you on a dating app?
I mean, how old are you?
You're 21?
I'm 21.
That's normal.
I mean, it's a big age gap.
I don't think that that's I don't think it's weird that he's attracted to him.
He's attracted to you.
You're pretty.
I don't think it's weird that he's attracted to you, but like the likelihood that you're going to be attracted to him or that that's like if you want to date him, I don't have a problem with it, but probably trying to give it a shot.
He probably tried.
It's a big age gap.
I was just wondering where the line is.
Chair Ford, there was something else that came to mind as I was kind of replaying your conversation in my head here when you said that you're a member of a non-denominational church.
So I went and pulled up some stats.
I have the advantage of doing that.
Try not to when we're discussing because you guys don't have that same advantage.
But I did want to pull this up.
It does turn out that it looks like non-denominational churches are about 70% female.
70%.
So here's a suggestion.
Take it under advisement or not.
Find yourself an Orthodox church, an Orthodox Christian church, because those actually are lopsided the other way.
55% men, 55% men, and join one of those.
And then you can convert to true Christianity and probably find a super-based husband.
Just a suggestion.
You can also look at my church if you want.
Oh, boy.
Or just make non-denominational churches less feminine and you really can't because the idea, and this would get into a whole thing, so I'll just make it very quick.
But the entire idea of Christianity and modernity in the Western nations folds in, unfortunately, with egalitarianism.
And women try to mold the idea of equality and egalitarianism into the patriarchal religion of Christianity.
It is a patriarchal religion.
It's always been a patriarchal religion.
We worship a man, right?
Well, God incarnated as a man.
So we don't worship a man.
That was bad tone of words.
But you understand what I mean, right?
From the top down, Christ is the head of the patriarchy.
And your priests always going to be male.
Non-denominational churches even allow women to be priests or preachers or whatever it is that they're called within those confines.
It's an assault on a patriarchal nation.
Yeah, right.
But it's an assault on the patriarchal nature of Christianity itself.
It's a patriarchal religion.
Oh, yeah.
No, that's why I agree that there are issues with certain churches that identify as non-denominational, but are very unbiblical and just catering to what makes people feel good, which is everything the Bible says not to do.
So, no, I agree on that.
All right.
Got a couple chats here.
We have Fan I Am.
Abigail, can you read these?
Are you able to see it or no?
Let me see.
Yeah.
All right.
Here, I'll just do it.
Obedience, obeying when you want to or like what's asked of you.
Submission, obeying when you don't want to or don't like what's asked of you.
Wait.
Obedience.
Obeying when you want to or like what's asked of you.
Submission, obeying when you don't want to or don't like what's asked of you.
Oh, okay.
That's an interesting distinction.
Thank you, FanIam, for that message.
Really appreciate it, man.
If you guys want to get your own message in, it is read is 100, TTS is 200.
And then let me actually do some Venmo.
We just have Thomas.
Thank for the 10 on Cash App, Thomas.
Really appreciate it.
Thank you so much, man.
So the read is that.
And then we have, one sec, guys.
TTS 200.
We have Clitchfield.
Ask all the girls, is it possible to be pro-choice and still believe abortion ends a human life?
No.
Pro-choice and believe.
Is it possible to be like, like essentially, there are pro-choicers that will acknowledge that it's biologically a human life, but they'll think because it's not a certain stage of development or it's not born yet that you can still kill them.
So I kind of, so I actually looked this up in, because I'm pretty spiritual.
I'm into spirituality.
And I looked this up and I was like, I'm about the mother's choice.
I'm about the mother's life.
And, you know, I don't want her to have like a coat hanger abortion.
Like, for sure, like, that's not okay.
If she really needs one, okay, get one.
But I'm going to sit here and say I don't know the repercussions of that.
Wait, then.
Repercussions of what?
I don't know the repercussions spiritually of a woman getting an abortion, but I would say like, you know, if she wants to, if she needs to, if it's if it's in her cards to do sorry to interrupt.
I'm sorry.
Yeah.
We have to be fair to the super chat.
Oh, I don't think you're directly answering it.
Is it possible to be pro-choice and still believe abortion ends a human life?
Well, I think this is a more conservative leaning panel.
I think most of the panel here is probably pro-life, perhaps with the exception of you.
And are you pro-choice?
I am pro-choice.
Okay.
So is it possible to be pro-choice and still believe abortion ends a human life?
It's possible.
I think it's possible.
It's possible, but it's very.
Yeah.
I mean, there's like pro-choicers who are like, yeah, I know it's they're like stoking.
Yeah, and they think it's a bad thing.
They're like, I know it's killing a baby.
I'm cool.
That's fucked up.
I think the whole they'll make it seem like it's not a human life, and that's their cope is to make abortion okay is because it's not a human.
So yeah, it's possible, but I don't think it's moral.
I think the abortion industry dehumanizes babies so much nowadays and stuff.
It's just disgusting.
Well, Lydia, we have a video from you that we're going to react to a little bit later on in the show.
I think it was related to abortion, right?
I don't know.
Well, you have a lot of videos, so but I know we're going to pull that up.
We have some super chats coming in.
We have Baz Peck.
Hey, Baz, thank you so much for the Australian 200 man.
Appreciate it.
First time, Dono, love the show.
I'm 27.
My wife and I are not religious in the slightest.
And if I got home from work and told my wife we're moving, she wouldn't even think to question why.
Seems my wife has a better understanding of submission and trust than these so-called Christians.
Okay, that's from Baz.
Does anybody you don't know who that's anybody want to respond?
Well, I mean, you should trust her husband, number one.
So, I mean, if you're questioning anything that your husband is deciding for both of you, then there's probably an issue within.
Okay.
All right.
Let's see here.
We have Rachel Wilson.
Rachel gets super chat privileges, but just for anybody else, the threshold's 100, but Rachel gets special privileges.
We have multiple large-scale studies and lots of data from all around the world showing that the number one correlate to declining birth rates in every culture is women's access to higher education.
Sorry, but it's true.
I see Andrew shaking his head there.
Agrees with his wife.
Thank you, Rachel, for the super chat.
Appreciate it.
We have Steve.
I told her to pull those stats up and she obeyed and submitted like a good wife.
It's great.
Obeyed and submitted.
Based on the based.
All right.
We have Long Live Liberty.
Thank you for the membership.
I missed the other one who came up, but thank you.
We have Steve Charles.
In war, men protect what women replenish their civilization.
Neglect either duty and civilization declines.
If women don't keep up replacement rates, why should men fight and die for a declining civilization?
That's from our Australian friend, Steve Charles.
Thank you so much for the soup chat, man.
Appreciate it.
And I'm curious how far you take that, though.
Because I think people agree with that.
But men have a the state can dictate to men, okay, we don't care about your bodily autonomy.
We're going to ship you off and you're going to go to war and we're going to put you in the front lines.
And if you try to like run away, you go AWOL, we're going to capture you and then you're going to be tried for treason or what is it?
What's the specific military term for retreat?
I knew of that's not retreat.
No.
What is it?
What's the military term for?
It's not AWOL.
It's I don't know.
Whatever.
Yeah, you're going to be court-martialed.
You're going to maybe, I think in wartime, I think if you flee the battle or whatever, they're just going to kill you.
Your own side's going to just kill you.
Discharge?
Discharge.
It's not discharge.
My neighbor did that when I was young.
He ran from his platoon and he, I don't know, he got dishonorably discharged and then he went to prison.
Yeah.
But so the government can draft men to war.
What do you guys think about drafting women to have children?
What do you think about that?
Is that a fair proposition?
No, because we want children to be born into families that are willing to be responsible for a child, that are willing to be good parents.
Yeah, but men don't want to go and die in some trench in the French cow country.
Okay, but there's also a child you have to consider in this situation.
It's not just about what people want.
There's a child.
There's a child involved and we want the well-being of that child to be taken into consideration.
I also don't recall God ever comparing childbearing to war, men being enlisted in war in the Bible.
Sorry, what?
Like, I don't recall women bearing a child compared to men listing in the war in the Bible.
Are you saying war less bad than giving birth?
Well, actually, it is to the idea of women being saved through child birth is mentioned many, many, many times that that's one of the primary pathways to salvation for women, which gives it a moral oddity in society.
Also, I'm not really interested on this particular topic.
I'm not making a religious argument because the United States and every single country in the world compels males only to be conscripted in times of war.
So it's not even a biblical or theological or religious argument.
I agree with you.
I was just responding.
Oh, I'm not directing that at you, Andrew.
I'm directing it at her.
That's 1 Timothy 2:15, by the way.
Yet she will be saved through childbearing.
They continue in faith, love, and holiness.
Yeah.
For example, you could have a secular government that only, and this is the case for almost every single nation with the exception of less than a handful.
Men are compelled by force in times of war, drafted.
There's no corresponding, like, we're going to force women to do this.
Okay.
Sure.
Loki, this sounds like the handmaid's tale.
Are you saying we're forcefully impregnating women?
that would, that would like, how else are we?
I'm not, I'm not, okay.
I'm not doing a prescriptive claim.
I'm speaking descriptively.
I'm talking about what is, not what should be.
I don't think women should be forced to, but it is an interesting thought experiment to be like, okay, well, if the government can force men to, you know, go to, you know, go somewhere, European theater during World War II, European theater during World War I, and die in some trench and being bombarded with shells and for months on end and suffer extreme PTSD.
This kind of ties into our previous conversation with duties.
So men have duties to the point where they can be forced to go to war for their country.
And we can talk about, well, women's duties are this, but it's not state-compelled, whereas men's duties are state-compelled through force.
Nobody points a gun in a woman's head and says, in a time of war where in order, here, I can frame it this way.
Well, to finish my sentence, nothing that compels women from the state down that says, okay, you need to go have kids.
You need to produce kids.
Nothing like that.
Let's say, for example.
Not even that it would be a good idea.
You know, like, think about it from even the military side.
Like, you guys remember growing up with the Army commercials?
Like, they would even put the Army commercials in kids' shows, right?
Thinking that this would assist with the psychological indoctrination for later, you know what I mean?
And they had the cool music, and you know, they would have these cool slogans like Army of One, you know what I mean?
You know, things like that.
All of that was indoctrination from the top down in order to get men to fulfill a social duty for the protection of the nation.
Same thing, you know, but there's no equivalent of that, even through propaganda for women.
And that's kind of Brian's main point.
So then are you both saying that men should not be legally obligated to fight in wars?
Well, I think that the draft is necessary.
And I think that there's all sorts of compelling reasons I can give.
Now, this is one of my most unpopular positions: that I think that the draft is necessary, and that there can be great times where you need huge amounts of conscripts to defend the nation, and that there is a social obligation for men to do that.
The reason men resist that now is because they don't feel like women are living up to the same obligations that they are compelled to have to move towards.
And so they don't want the draft anymore.
Women can't be drafted, right?
There's all sorts of double standards for women.
Women, for instance, sports reporters, I was talking about this earlier today.
They can go into men's locker rooms and they fought for the right to go into men's locker rooms to interview them.
Men can't go into women's locker rooms and do interviews.
Like there's all kinds of crazy double standards which are set between the sexes.
And an egalitarian society can't really have that.
So it's like, if it is the case that you think that women deserve an honored place in society as matrons, then they have to fulfill their social obligations like they expect men to do.
Or why is it that you would have any expectations of men?
Why wouldn't men just resist it at every level?
That's Brian's point here, right?
I actually agree with you a lot on the draft as necessary and stuff.
What I think, this is just a thought I've randomly had, is that women shouldn't be allowed to go to college until they're like 28.
If men are being drafted, women shouldn't be allowed to go to college until they're 28 unless they have kids.
It's just a thought I had.
Because if they don't have a career to seek after, then they have to have a lot of people.
It's a thought.
It's a thought.
That's a clear thought.
It's a crazy thought.
And speak all I say.
Yeah, that's okay.
I think one way that you can take care of this is you take the right to vote and you give it to married households instead, one household voting.
Ooh, that's a good idea.
I think that's a really good idea.
I like that idea.
One of the reasons that's a good idea is right now in the current state of voting, the anti-suffragettes, the ones who were against feminism initially, and it was first wave feminism that brought in the suffrage movement to say that women should be able to vote.
They made it one of the most compelling arguments, which is this will divide household against household.
It'll divide husbands against wives.
The second women become political pawns of the machine, they will be divided from their husbands.
That's exactly what's happened.
The anti-suffragette arguments read like prophecies now.
If you read them now, they read like prophecies.
Like, it's amazing how accurate each one of those arguments is.
Oh, one question, Andrew.
Indeed, divided.
And the anti-suffragettes, wasn't it predominantly women?
Correct?
That's correct.
Well, not only that, but what's really interesting is that they had to fight so that women couldn't vote on voting because when women voted on their right to vote, they voted against it.
And initially, feminists made the bold claim that the reason is because women were too comfortable and their status in society was too good.
And it was.
They couldn't incur any debts.
No debt.
They weren't allowed to incur any debt whatsoever.
The husband had to incur the debt.
They weren't all of these things.
Women were so comfortable in society.
They didn't want to be considered political cogs.
To give you an idea of how powerful women were in their moral stances before they became cogs of the voting machine, they passed the 18th Amendment, which passed before the 19th Amendment, which is their right to vote, right?
They got the 18th Amendment passed on just moral grounds because they were considered moral arbiters in society.
They were considered the more moral sex because they were not political cogs to be used.
And it's like, and they gave up all that high ground.
It's just crazy to me.
It's like, it's like backwards.
You know what I mean?
It's backwards.
We should not be dividing husbands against wives.
We don't need to do that.
not necessary i would say hang on chair three chair chair Chair three was giving me the look, though.
She was giving me the like.
Sorry, I have RBF.
This crazy fucking guy, this crazy fucker's ideas over here.
Do you actually think that women should not have the right to vote?
Well, actually, I think most people shouldn't have the right to vote.
Not just women specifically.
Then here, well, let me make a case and let's see.
Maybe I can make a compelling enough argument that I can change your mind.
Does that sound fair?
You can try.
So do you think that you're pretty informed on the issue of abortion?
Yes.
Do you think that most women at 18 years old are?
No, but I don't think most men are either.
Why do you think it's a good idea?
Yeah, men either.
Exactly.
Agreed.
Do you think it's a good idea that they can nullify your well-informed vote?
They can what?
Nullify your well-informed vote on that issue.
I think that everyone should still have the right to use their vote when they are impacted by the government.
Why do you hate the founders so much?
The founders didn't believe that.
Our founding fathers not only didn't believe that, but set it up so that that system was not in place.
They believed that stakeholders in society themselves should have the right to vote because they were formed on these political issues and had stake in society.
And that the youth, especially, like our founding fathers, would roll over in their graves if they knew that 18-year-olds could vote inside of political elections.
They would lose their fucking minds.
They'd be like, what are you people doing?
Are you insane?
So, I mean, why do you disagree with them?
Why do you think it's a good idea to do that?
Well, because they're still impacted by the government.
That creates the ability for the government to oppress 18-year-olds.
I mean, 10-year-olds.
If they vote for a 16-year-olds are impacted by the government, should they be able to vote?
Well, first of all, 10-year-olds can't also fight wars.
But no, I honestly, I mean, that is a valid argument.
But it's a valid argument.
18-year-olds can be drafted and they can't buy a beer.
They can't buy a fucking beer.
They can't rent a car.
But they can be drafted.
They can't buy a cigarette.
They can't rent a car, but they can be drafted and go off to war.
How is this a good system?
Like, make a compelling argument back.
How is it a good system?
I think, honestly, 18-year-olds are so fucking stupid they shouldn't be able to drink, but they're so smart that they should be allowed to have a gun and that they can be compelled and conscripted into military service.
How is this a good system again?
No, I honestly, I kind of see your point, but I don't think the solution is to take away vote.
Honestly, if anything, it would be to ensure voters are well informed before they vote.
But no, I think it's a hard thing because there's pros and cons of I don't think it's a good system.
I think if we look, if we look, and here, maybe I could change your mind because we found some common ground here.
Yes, but your argument doesn't say why women shouldn't have the right to vote.
It's kind of just saying why 18-year-olds are dumb.
That was my argument that women shouldn't be able to vote.
What was my actual argument?
That most people should be able to, right?
Right.
Okay.
So how does this feel like?
Yeah, so I think that you could do one household voting.
I would give the right to vote to married households.
I think that could be a really good idea.
Another way that you could do it is you could raise the age of voting to 30.
I think that that would be super helpful.
I think that there's all sorts of different things that you could do, but it's going to disenfranchise a whole lot of people.
And I'm just totally fine with that.
I don't think everybody needs to be enfranchised.
I think what's happened is the way politics are set up in the United States, they're set up between blocks.
And it's which block can be bribed by the electoral money that lobbyists go in and say, look, we're going to fund you with X dollars so that we can pump and dump a bunch of cash, right?
A big scam for a voting block.
And then they use that sort of political power, not on behalf of the constituency, but on behalf of the lobbyists.
So why is it a good idea to have everybody politically enfranchised when clearly they make terrible decisions in life and they're not ready for that sort of responsibility whatsoever in running a nation, having the say in running a nation?
Why would you let them vote?
That's stupid, right?
Well, the issue is there's smart people that are 18 and there's really, really dumb people that are 80 years old.
And like there's going to be smart and dumb people.
And so you can't just generalize a whole lot of people.
I don't need to completely agree with you, but you can generalize and here's why.
I can agree with you.
There's going to be really smart.
There's going to be 18-year-olds right now who are much smarter than you.
Not me, but you.
And the thing.
I'm kidding.
That was a great joke.
I slipped it in there.
It was a great joke.
But anyway, there's going to be 18-year-olds who are out there who are smarter than me and you.
I agree with that.
There's not going to be many, though.
And there's going to be 80-year-olds who are much dumber than that 18-year-old, but there's not going to be that many of them.
Okay, so if that's the case, we're not going to make social policy based on outliers.
You would never do that.
Everything in politics is a give and take.
Anytime you make a political decision, it's going to negatively affect some group somewhere, and there's not a damn thing you could do about it.
So knowing that, having that foreknowledge, why would we make social prescriptions based around the fact that some stupid ass 18-year-olds no longer can vote, but the like one or two who are really smart and informed, we've taken away their vote too.
It's like, so what?
Yes, but that's politics.
But if the government isn't incentivized to care about young people, if we really did make the voting at age 30, then the government isn't going to care about young people anymore.
They are not going to work as hard for them.
That's just how it would work.
That's why.
That's silly.
That's silly.
The constituency of the government would be parents.
The parents are definitely going to have a whole lot to say about how young people are treated and what young people ought to be doing or not doing, just like parents in the home do right now with their kids who can't vote.
So how would it even disenfranchise them?
They would have to trust in the generation of their own parents to represent them correctly, which, by the way, they do right now.
They do it right now.
Did you say something?
I wouldn't say that they like it.
No, no, I'd like an argument there.
I'd like, hang on.
I'd like an argument back.
Yeah.
From me?
Yeah.
Oh, no, I agree.
There's pros and cons to each thing.
But no, I still think that the government is not going to care as much about the younger people if they're not having to cater to their vote.
And I think that if you are being taxed by the country, if you are having to fight for your country, you should have a say in how the government is run.
But no, I do think there's just an issue.
I agree with you that there's an issue on voters not being well-informed.
This is really, I guess the thing I would like to take to task here is this idea that the government's going to stop caring about young people if young people can't vote in the government.
It's like, does the government stop caring about 16-year-olds because he can't vote?
No.
Do they stop caring about toddlers because toddlers can't vote?
No.
In fact, parents are out there making all sorts of political decisions and political votes based around the protection of the young in society and the infirm in society, two-year-olds, three-year-olds, four-year-olds, five-year-olds on behalf of those two-year-olds, three-year-olds, four-year-olds, five-year-olds, because they're the ones who can't.
They're the ones who are enfranchised.
Why in the world, suddenly at the voting age, let's say was 25, do you think that the government's like, well, you're 23, fuck off.
I don't care what you think anymore.
The enfranchised people still care, right?
Like, they're the ones who tell the government what's what.
Well, also, the thing is, a two-year-old isn't having to pay taxes.
They're not having to fight a war.
So, if we were to go by your argument that you can't vote until you're 30, I don't think people under 30 should have to pay taxes or fighting wars.
Why?
That's silly.
16-year-olds can work and they get taxed.
Should they have to go fight wars?
I think that's an issue that you're giving back to the government, to your country, and you don't have a say in how the country is.
16-year-olds and 15-year-olds and 14-year-olds with part-time jobs should be able to work to vote then by that logic.
Again, I think there's pros and cons to everything.
Yeah, that doesn't make any sense because your logic is if you're paying into a system, you should have a right to be enfranchised in the system.
My counter-argument to you is really simple.
Then, if that's the case, make it logically consistent.
At 13 years old, I had a part-time job at a McDonald's.
Should I be able to vote?
If not, why not?
Honestly, it's a compelling argument in itself.
That's what, I mean, no matter which way you go, no matter who you cut out of voting, it's going to negatively impact some people.
And that, yeah, I mean, it's a complex issue.
So, we have to kind of compare our systems and see which one works the best.
And it sounds like you're in more agreement with the system which I would propose than I am with the system that you would propose.
I'm just asking you to think about it.
That's all.
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Do you want to contest the feminist accusation?
I mean, it depends on how you're defining feminists.
If you just mean equal rights, then sure.
But no, I think modern feminism is.
I would define it, I think, the same way he would.
It would be the movement towards egalitarianism with the deconstruction of patriarchy.
The reason deconstruction of patriarchy is necessary for egalitarianism, you can't have equality if you say that men and women cannot be equally franchised in various things.
So you're going to have to deconstruct patriarchal systems.
Feminism is anti-patriarchal.
That's why it's anti-Christian.
Yeah.
Okay.
Are you a feminist?
What?
No.
Are you a feminist by that standard?
No.
So then, why do you want egalitarianism?
I think that obviously, like, I think that women deserve rights.
But no, I do agree that men are.
Equal right?
Do they deserve equal rights?
What rights are you talking about specifically?
Any.
Any.
Yeah.
So if they deserve any rights, they're going to necessarily be deconstructing patriarchal systems for that to happen.
There's no way around that.
Women and men aren't equal.
No, so I'm just saying, like, yeah, women and men aren't equal.
So in order to reach equality, we have to elevate women in one way or another to reach equality.
Like, for example, I do think in general that it is good for women to be mothers.
Now, I think it should absolutely, I think women should have the right to go and work, to go and do, have a job if they want as well, even though I might think that in general it is better for women to be mothers.
So if that makes sense.
I think they should have the legal right.
Well, nobody's disputing that.
What I'm asking is this.
It is the case if you're an egalitarian.
And it is the case that in order, the only way to have egalitarianism is to dismantle patriarchal systems, because otherwise, what are you equalizing?
What are you equalizing if it's not equalizing women to men?
That's the case.
Necessarily, you're going to be dismantling patriarchal system.
Definitionally, then, if you believe in that, you would be a feminist, yeah.
I suppose no.
I think there are certain things.
Like, for instance, I don't think women should be drafted.
That is one thing.
So I don't necessarily.
That's not very equal.
I know.
I will take that back.
Maybe not exactly.
But so why is it the case, though?
Why shouldn't women be drafted?
Because I, well, I honestly have issues with men in general being drafted.
Like, I don't.
What do you mean?
I do think that there's an argument that it's taking away their bodily autonomy.
Well, yeah, but the thing is, is governments and nations are not going to relinquish their right to force its citizenry into a military conflict if needed.
So given the reality that men do have to register with selective service, should women equally have to register too?
No, I don't think so at the end of the day.
And I mean, I guess that's an example of something that I do think is different.
I think when I'm talking about equal rights, I'm talking about just generalized.
I mean, we can talk about that.
That creates privilege in society now.
Now you're creating privilege for women.
No, I think men and women are different.
I think men and women.
I agree.
Men and women are different.
You're getting a privileged role.
You don't have to go fight no wars and get drafted.
What do men get?
What do we get in exchange for that?
Well, women are considered the crime.
Well, I think honor, first of all.
I think that that's a huge thing, that men are honored for fighting the war.
By who?
Other men or women?
Because in this case, you get an elevated position.
Men get to be honored for the position of dying on your behalf.
Well, that's fantastic.
What a great deal for us.
No, I think that it's different in that aspect.
So again, maybe not, sorry, I said equal.
I'm talking equal as in our basic constitutional rights.
But no, I do think men and women are different.
So I'm not a feminist.
It can't be, right?
Because Congress can definitely call up the militia when they need to.
Right.
Yeah.
That's true.
I mean, I go back and forth on that.
I just, I don't necessarily oppose the draft.
I just do, I do have concerns about it.
I do.
You had something, Abigail got?
Yeah, I'm curious if you're against the patriarchal system or if you're for it.
And what aspects?
Like, what specifics?
I mean, all aspects.
Yeah, all aspects to relate against the patriarchy leading the society.
No, no.
Okay.
No, definitely not.
No, I think men are made by God typically to be leaders.
Absolutely.
Okay.
Not that women can't be leaders in some aspects, but typically not the same way.
Yeah.
I'm just curious, I guess something that's a part of your movement, right?
Then they can't be leaders.
The leadership is a little too much.
No, you're good, Lauren.
You don't want to justify.
So it's interesting, though.
I think most women don't have any qualms with the current status quo of, okay, men, they're the only ones that get drafted.
They're the ones that fight the wars.
They're the ones that overwhelmingly die.
And there really doesn't seem to be much, really any much of a social movement against forced military conscription of men by women.
Most women are just like, yeah, I don't want to go to war.
Men should be like, yeah, and some sort of, here, let me ask you a question.
You said that men should not be drafted.
Well, I'm not necessarily, I have concerns about it.
What are your like, again, I think it is, I mean, forcing people to fight for a country can be a little bit against their bodily autonomy.
But no, I do think it is sometimes necessary.
It's not great.
I don't like that we're dragging people that don't want to be there.
Yes, I agree with you.
It's bad.
Yeah, it's sometimes necessary.
Here's the scenario I would.
War bad.
Yeah, war bad.
Here's the scenario I would present to you is so let's say there's an invading country.
It doesn't even need to be a specific one.
It's just hypothetical.
I don't know, Kazakhstan.
They become a military superpower or some shit.
And they're going to invade the country and they are.
Here's their policy.
If they invade, successfully invade the country, they're going to kill all the fighting-age males in that country who aren't even in the military.
And then they're going to take all the women in the country as war brides.
Do you think then you should compel men?
And here's the scenario.
If you don't compel men to you force them to join the military, to be part of the military, then you know definitively that you will lose this war against Kazakhstan.
And they're going to grape all the women and kill all the men.
Do you think then that it would then warrant forcing men so that the women don't get graped and all the men don't die anyways to then fight?
And if you do fight, then you have a 50% chance of winning versus just you will lose if you don't do that.
Absolutely.
That's why I'm saying I have concerns about it, but I do think it's sometimes something that's necessary.
Right.
So that's, but I mean, that's the whole idea of, okay, well, there are some circumstances in which, and look, there's been drafts where like Vietnam War didn't need to, shouldn't have been in that conflict to begin with.
That's a whole other conversation.
Some drafts are not for like the lifeblood protection of the nation.
But there are some that are.
And so in this instance, it's like, okay, well, you would do that, right?
So I'm just, I don't know, it seems, but why not then compel women?
I think, well, I think men have a biological advantage, and that's why we do draft men because they have, they're typically physically stronger.
But no, I think that's why.
But no, I think in general, I'm not necessarily opposed to draft.
I just do have concern.
I mean, I don't think anyone here thinks, oh, it's great.
It's fantastic that we're forcing people to fight.
No, it's a necessary thing that isn't great.
But what do men get for that sole burden and duty being placed on them?
Well, it's not like women are just sitting back at home or they shouldn't be.
What do you mean?
Like they're still doing things to support men.
They should be.
Yeah, but from the government down, what is the government compelling by force women to do in wartime?
Nothing.
Yeah.
And I honestly, like, I think that it's because men have a physical advantage.
But no, I agree.
It's different in that way.
Do you think that women that volunteer, like, you know, like, I volunteer as tribute?
Like that instead of a man like that has a family, a woman that volunteers and is like, ah, well, I have nothing going on for me.
So I'll just join the military.
Do you think that she could just get like an honorable, like, you know, like status or something, you know, once the war is over, once she completes her mission?
Would that be something, I guess, applicable for that?
I'm sorry, what?
Oh, like, so pretty much.
It's a total non-sequitur, but okay, what's your question?
Oh, well, pretty much if let's say there's a man with a family and he gets drafted and this woman's like, hey, this guy's got a whole family going on.
I have nothing to do.
I'm a single woman.
I might as well just go anyways.
And I'm able-bodied woman.
If she took his place, would she get an honorable or could she like get an honorable, you know, something?
The medal of honor?
I don't know.
Something.
Yeah, yeah.
I guess if she would that give an incentive for more women to do, but then again, like, why wouldn't the guy?
Women can volunteer for the military.
Yeah.
But it's just, I don't know.
One of the problems with egalitarianism, which is that you end up taking patriarchal systems and then lowering the standards so that women can participate.
That's exactly what happened in the military.
It's exactly what happened to the police force.
It's exactly what's happened across the board when it comes to any of the protectorate roles in society.
Guess how many Navy SEALs are women?
I don't know how many.
Zero.
Oh, well, okay.
Really?
And it's not because they can't be.
In fact, they've been trying to get one to be for years and years and years, and they can't pass the training.
They can't do it.
They can't pass basic underwater demolition training.
They can't.
They're physically unable to accomplish this.
The ones who are, I did some research on the ones who were green berets.
I didn't think there was any Green Berets.
There is actually a few who are, but it turns out those were just political appointments ultimately.
And they lowered the standards that those women could pass as well.
In fact, the very first one, the very first female Green Beret, two months after she completed her training, ended up getting arrested and going to jail because she discharged her own firearm negligently in her own house.
Right?
That's how these are special forces, right?
This is the lowering of standards and the deconstruction of patriarchal systems.
And the military has to necessarily be a patriarchal system.
There's no choice.
You rely 100% on men for defense.
Here, let me give a counter question.
I'll start with the gal in red.
She has a lot of political knowledge.
I'm not trying to pick on her.
She just happens to be able to debate a bit because she has some political knowledge.
So what happens?
What do you think happens if men stop the role of defending women in the country?
What happens?
What happens to the country?
It would probably.
You, Chair 3, Chair.
Oh, sorry.
Ask your question again.
I thought you were asking me.
Yeah, what do you think happens to women and children in the nation if men stop defending the country?
What happens?
Yeah, I mean, they would be negatively impacted.
They, I mean.
Well, they would be destroyed, right?
Yeah.
They would be carried off as war brides.
Yeah, no, that's why I think it's necessary.
Unfortunately, it's just unfortunate.
I agree.
It's necessary.
So then, Brian's question, which has gone unanswered time and time and time again: what the fuck do men get out of that?
What are we getting out of this?
And that's what Brian wants to know ultimately, right?
He's like, What do I get for the fact that right this second, and this is the truth?
This is the god's honest truth, right this second, if war breaks out with China tomorrow, we do not have a large enough mass armed forces to deal with it for a prolonged period of time.
The government can easily turn to conscription.
Not saying they would, but they easily could.
Brian, right?
If you need men, especially, it doesn't even matter if they have physical ailments, they're going to draft your ass, and that's going to be that.
He's eligible for the draft.
They don't give a shit about his studio, they don't care about what he's got going on in life, they don't care if he's got millions of dollars in the bank or not.
They don't give a shit about any of that.
They're going to drag his ass up and hand him a rifle, and off to war he goes.
So, because that can happen to him, it can't happen to any of you.
It cannot happen.
What does he get?
Well, what does he get?
He gets his own personal freedom for one.
And secondly, women are erroneous.
No, no, wait, what?
What?
Go ahead.
Wait, explain the personal freedom thing.
No, so by going to war and fighting for yourself, you're fighting for your own personal freedom and the freedom of others.
And that's something that we yeah, but women would get that too.
What does the man get?
Well, what I'm trying to say is the woman, women are considered in Christianity to be the crown and stuff.
You get a crown, I guess you can say.
I mean, look, you got to make a secular argument like this because there's countries that are secular that draft the submitted crowns are for the king, not for the submitted.
Yes, that's what I mean.
The thing is, is that, yeah, you get a crown, but unfortunately, heavy is the head that wears the actual crown.
In this particular case, it's going to be the man who's in charge of the family.
It's like, what do the men get socially and societally for the fact that they have a social obligation to defend all of the women in society?
What are they getting for that?
Hopefully, they would get a submissive wife.
Well, they don't.
Yes, they don't even get a country where they can reproduce.
They have women who are enfranchised with voting who vote.
So, like, here, let me give you some more arguments here.
Women are the deciding vote on almost all degeneracy in society.
Anything that you would consider from a Christian perspective to be a degenerate action, be it LGBTQ, gay marriage, all of this, women are always the deciding vote, which are the positive for those effects every single time.
Yes.
The trans phenomenon right now wouldn't even exist inside the United States.
Absent women enfranchised voting, period.
That is actually the case.
You can look at a map of political distribution.
You can see it for yourself.
There's no if, ands, or buts about it.
No.
On top of all of that, here's the other major issue that you have.
Because this is the case, and men are expected to protect women in the electorate, but women can send them off to war that they themselves don't have to fight via their vote.
That's a fundamental unfairness which exists in society.
Fundamental unfairness.
That's why I agree with you on the fact that only married households should be able to vote.
I'm saying currently it is unfair and men do not have an advantage, but they do get an advantage if they uphold Christian values and the country is predominantly Christian.
No, I would say that it's no longer predominantly Christian.
It used to be.
I would say that the majority of people do identify that way.
But just self-identification, as we now know, doesn't mean shit.
There's lots of people who self-identify as being the opposite sex, for instance, right?
That kind of thing.
That doesn't mean that they are.
And just a simple self-ide of I Christian doesn't have anything to do with your actual status as one.
Yes.
The question just becomes this.
If this fundamental inequality actually does exist, and it does, that women can vote in politicians that then send men off to war against men's will, right?
Why is it that men should put up with enfranchisement from women to begin with?
I don't think so.
They shouldn't put up with it.
They shouldn't.
They shouldn't.
Yeah, they should not.
They shouldn't.
Yeah, I think women need to seek marriage just as much as men need to seek marriage and stuff.
And then if you have a Christian household, the man will fight for the woman and the woman will nurture the man and provide relief for him.
Wait, so Andrew, for the question that you pose, what do men get?
Is it the vote?
Is that the answer?
They get the okay.
Men are supposed to get social duties and virtue from the opposite sex.
That is, they get an equivalent social duty.
I agree, for instance, with Chair 3.
There are ontological differences.
The state of being between what men and women are itself are different.
We're bigger, we're stronger, right?
We don't have the same influx of hormones when it comes to rationality, so we tend to make more pragmatic decisions overall.
Now, this is not to say women are not logical.
They are.
Not to say women are not rational.
They are.
Not to say that women don't have agency.
They do.
All of those things are correct across the board.
But it is still the case.
They have influxes of hormones that men don't have to deal with.
And one of the biggest stabilizers in a man's brain is testosterone helps with rational decision making and the skills of rationality itself.
Men are uniquely equipped to deal with the political experience, whereas women are not uniquely equipped to deal with it.
Does that mean that women are always going to make bad choices politically?
No.
But the pattern seems to be that they have so far.
I'm not even saying you have to disenfranchise women, though I would limit the voting pool significantly for men and women.
What I am saying is this specifically.
If men have to go sacrifice their lives on behalf of women, and that's the expectation that when the Titanic is going down, that men are the ones who get to stay on the ship and the women and children get the lifeboats, then damn it, they get the big piece of chicken.
And what that means is socially, if they get the big piece of chicken, that they get virtuous women.
Women are moving towards virtue in society and towards the reproduction of society itself in the great exchange of not hating men, but elevating their status in society as the protectors of all of it.
And I think that that's a completely reasonable exchange that from the top down we could start promoting, and it would make a huge difference in society for both of us.
Absolutely agree.
Yeah, well said, well put.
Well put, Andrew.
Well put.
All right.
I have one question.
Andrew, what do you think are the deserve a champagne pop for that rant?
Yeah, I agree.
Yeah, I agree.
Speaking of for coming into whatever studio, we deserve one.
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I don't know why Streamlabs hasn't been working for the ding, but I appreciate it.
There's a couple chats that we'll get to.
Ogle, Andrew did call for the, you don't have to do it.
If anybody in the chat wants to send in the champagne pop, gladly do it.
We'll also probably get maybe some pizza going too.
So yeah, thank you so much, Ogle, for the 100 gifted memberships.
You're a fucking legend, man.
If you want to order pepperoni pizza, and not every woman on that panel has to eat pineapple, I'm never coming back to the whatever studio again.
I like pineapple.
I like pineapple.
It better only be pineapple that you order for people from now on.
Society eat that nasty pineapple pizza.
I love it.
I am whole.
I'm not a pineapple.
I'll pick the pepperoni off.
Oh no, Andrew.
That's a because then if the company, then I gotta eat the pineapple too.
I could pick it off like how you did and just you know, pick it off.
But it's it, you know what, Andrew?
Even if you pick the pineapple off, I'm sure you'll agree with me on this.
It's still tainted.
It's tainted pizza.
It's just not.
I mean, would you eat a piece of pizza?
Somebody dragged their balls on it.
Depends on who.
Of course you wouldn't do that.
Just kidding.
Damn.
Yeah, yeah, definitely not.
I definitely wouldn't do that.
But okay, we have, let's see here.
Oh, sorry, you had a question.
Go ahead.
Oh, you're good.
My question is: like, obviously, like, men would be drafted if something were to come up, but also, like, our most likely chances of war, like nuclear, we're not necessarily invading countries like European theater, like World War II, World War I.
So there's the chance that they might not need all of those men, actually.
And it's been decades since men were actually at risk or actually sent out and conscripted.
Well, American men, but if you look at Ukraine, you look at Russia, you look at Israel, yeah, they're definitely conscripting in Ukraine.
Actually, really quick on Ukraine is telling us with Ukraine, you can actually, and I encourage Ogle.
I'll get in just a sec, Ogle.
You're a legend.
You can look up, there's hundreds of these videos coming out of Ukraine.
Yeah.
Of men, it's not just like, well, I'm drafted now and they send you a letter.
They abduct you in the street.
They beat you up.
The military police beat you up and they abduct you if you resist them.
And most men are like, I don't want to go to the front in winter against Russia.
No.
And so, yeah, there's like gangs, military police gangs that will drag men into a van, beat them up if they're resisting.
And there's hundreds of these videos of Ukraine.
It's captured on security camera footage, cell phone footage.
These Ukrainian men being abducted by their own military.
And then they go to, they'd get maybe six weeks of military training, put them in the trenches on the, you know, the, where the military conflicts are, uh, along the Ukrainian border or what wherever it is.
And uh, so yeah, men are being drafted.
And I know you say, well, there'd be a nuclear war.
Uh, sure, we do have nukes, but I mean, there's uh mutually assured destruction mad.
Uh, so I'm not really sure if, I mean, if it's like some I don't know how nukes are going to play out.
Conceivably, and I do think we are closer to a global conflict, global war, World War III, than at any time in the past few.
I mean, well, at least since the Cold War ended.
Ultimately, this is a, I think, the most compelling argument the other side has that you just made, which is, you know, due to technology and the fact that it probably wouldn't be the majority of men anyway, then how is it compelling that all men would deserve to kind of enjoy whatever the luxury socially they would get from the fact that it is the requirement that it's going to be men who do go.
I think that is the best argument the other side has.
So I thank you for making it.
My counter argument to this is Vietnam.
During Vietnam, we had nukes.
We had them.
And so the whole world, right?
Well, not the whole world, but the nuclear armed world like Russia, they had them.
There was still a draft.
And, you know, tens and tens and hundreds of thousands of people went in the draft, and many of them got shot to death by Vietnamese and this type of thing.
And in Vietnam, there was a draft as well.
The 20th century, the largest killer of humanity, at least to date that we know of, was what's called democide.
Death by government.
It's the largest killer of humanity throughout the 20th, including right here, other than medical malpractice, even right here in the United States.
Warfare dynamically will never change and it'll always reduce to after the bombs and after the drones and after the mass destruction to men with rifles in their hands killing each other in trenches.
It'll always be the same.
It'll always be the same idea of suppress, flank, kill.
It'll always come down to that.
So the thing is, it's like, no, you could have a global conflict again on par with World War II easily in the 21st century, in which you saw half the population or more of able-bodied men drafted and sent off to war.
And that is the fact of the matter.
The U.S. government knows it.
They've drafted it into their war plans.
They've made them all public for Americans to see.
We know exactly what they think would happen in opening stages with many of the nations that we would go into conflict with.
So I would have to refute this by just saying simply, that's not a historic view of the draft.
And two, that we could easily get to a global conflict where a majority of men were, in fact, drafted.
I agree that we could.
Sorry, how to do it.
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Puff champagne, champagne bottle emoji.
10 glasses emoji.
Oh, okay.
That was a little impotent.
Ogle, you're a fucking legend, Giga Chad.
Who wants champagne?
I'm okay.
Yes.
Yes, yes.
Hey, question.
Since you're part of the LDS, you don't drink like at all.
I don't drink any alcohol.
Stop.
Try, sir.
Your glass.
I was just thinking about it right now.
You got to wait for me, too, before you go.
We'll get it.
We'll get it.
Ogle.
Guys, W's in the chat for Ogle.
This guy's a legend.
W's in the chat.
He's a, hold on, let me.
He's a brave and a decent man.
He's a pioneer.
That's true.
He's a pioneer.
Wait, what the heck?
Thank you, Ogle.
Wait, so you?
Lauren?
Lauren?
Okay, so, all right.
That's a lot of.
All right.
Lauren's going to have to drink most of it though.
That's okay.
Sandirglebot.
That too.
While we're doing that here, let me actually let this message come through.
Oh, damn.
Has this been waiting for a while, Chris?
I'm sorry.
We just got copyrighted.
Schrodinger's feminism.
A woman is simultaneously a victim and empowered until something happens.
Then she can choose which state benefits her the most.
That's why she doesn't want women to be drafted.
Wait, what?
To her.
What's the question?
Oh, no, no, no.
I'm talking about the question.
I'm sorry.
Chris, Schrödinger's feminism.
There you go.
A woman is simultaneously a victim and empowered until something happens.
Then she can, then, then she can.
Wait, not yet.
You gotta wait for the cheers.
What are you doing, Lauren?
You just blew the whole show.
He blew it.
All right.
All right.
I gotta end the show.
Show's over.
All right.
No, it's all good.
Cheers to nuclear proliferation.
Wait, he doesn't have a shot.
He doesn't have a shot.
Oh, wait.
Okay, well, wait.
I'll wait.
I'll wait for the cheers.
But Chris said, Schrödinger's feminism.
A woman is simultaneously a victim and empowered until something happens.
Then she can choose which state benefits her the most.
That's why she doesn't want women to be drafted.
Oh, okay.
My wife puts a little cherry now.
Oh, nice.
Oh, nice.
That was quick.
Sell it all.
I call it like it's treats for Irish drunks, right?
Because the cherry soaks in the mouth.
It's really quite delicious.
Nice.
Oh, gold.
You're a fucking legend, sir.
What do you drink, Andrew?
Legend.
Okay.
All right.
Let's see.
So here's what happened.
I'll tell you why.
Very quick story.
The reason I drank vodka instead of the traditional Irishman's drink, which is whiskey, because I'm half English.
The official foot or the official headwear of the Irish is the English boot, or at least so I'm told, right?
So what happens is if you mix the English tenacity for oppression with the Irish tenacity of just wanting to fight for no particular reason, you end up with one confused motherfucker and who I am.
And that's why I end up with vodka instead of whiskey.
Do you drink Irish car bombs?
All the time.
In fact, I went in one time to an Irish bar and asked for an Irish car bomb, and the chick told me that I was being racist.
She said, how would you feel?
How would you feel if I went to your country and asked you for a 9-11?
And I said, sounds delicious.
What's in it?
And then they threw it in.
Oh, I've heard about that.
Some people get kicked out for certain drinks.
There's other drinks, too.
Yeah.
Christ is Lord.
Andrew, what sect of Christianity was the thief on the cross?
The thief came to salvation simply by repentant heart through his faith.
Christ alone saves, not sex of Christianity.
Do you want a quick response to this?
Yeah, I wouldn't make a salvific claim.
However, the reason the thief on the cross was saved through the faith in Jesus Christ, he also accepted all doctrines of Christ right then and there.
All of them.
That's what salvation meant and means today.
The idea that you can have these heretics running around giving off false doctrine all the time for the purpose of everything from self-glorification to their machinations in society is the opposite of what the thief on the cross was, which was humble submission to Jesus Christ and the acceptance of all doctrines of him.
All right.
Thank you for that message there.
Christ is Lord.
That was his username.
Thank you, man.
Appreciate it.
All right.
Also, also, that's not good enough, right?
Christ is God.
Right?
Christ is God.
And let's see.
We have, you know what we need to do?
Stiffler, ask everyone to rate their own.
Actually, wait, before we do that, hold on.
I wanted to kind of wrap up on, you know, we spend a lot of time on this.
I just add a couple things here, Andrew.
And I wanted to get your thoughts on this.
So, Andrew, woman, the wife needs to be submissive, obey, right?
But are there, and look, I know, for example, like this would be the extreme argument.
If the husband says, well, I want you to jump off a bridge, of course you would agree that that would not be a situation in which a woman should be submissive or obey.
Of course not, right?
That would be irrational, yeah.
Yeah, but how far, like that's an extreme example, but along those lines of like, what would be the strongest argument in that example?
For example, let me ask you this.
And if it contradicted your own worldview, so let's say you were, I'm trying to think of the best example.
So you are analyzing a Orthodox man, Orthodox woman, Christian, and the wife wants to homeschool.
And let me, Andrew, my understanding, you're in favor of homeschooling.
You think it's superior, right?
So the wife wants.
Sure.
The wife wants to homeschool the kids, but the husband, and I don't think that this would necessarily be anywhere near approaching a husband saying, jump off a bridge.
The husband's like, no, I prefer the kids to go to public school.
But the wife is like, well, no.
Well, not saying no, but she's like, well, hold on.
I want to homeschool the kids as the wife, but the husband's saying, no, we're going to send them to public school.
In that situation, while women ought to be submissive and obey their husbands, but you would agree that the wife is right, I assume.
What would you say in that situation?
I would agree that she's factually correct, and he would be factually incorrect.
But what would you say in that situation?
What should the, I guess the wife.
So I'll answer both of these questions because they're an answer to each other.
God's nature is non-contradictory and unchanging.
For God is the logos.
Logic is also part of God's nature.
Reason must comport to logic.
So if somebody asks you to jump off a bridge, it does not comport to reason.
And so therefore, you don't jump off the bridge.
This would be a sign of the satanic.
In fact, it doesn't comport to the nature of God.
So that's answer one.
When it comes to the idea that a woman and a husband can disagree and the woman can be right, this does happen.
Of course it happens.
Especially, let's take the homeschool example.
I would even say she was correct, right?
However, is what he's asking comporting with reason?
Yeah, it comports to reason to say we want to send your kids to a public school, things like that.
She does still need to submit to his will.
Now, in this case, you have children, you have family, you have other things.
This is why I think the ecclesiastical authority of the church is so important in having a church body for support.
They can still go to the body of the church to ask for assistance in making those kind of great decisions on behalf of their family if they have that kind of dispute, which is going on.
The church may still say you need to submit to your husband's authority, and rightfully so.
But at least there's a body of support there that secularists don't even have.
They don't even have it.
It's like, so you already have a superior way of living immediately that secularists don't even have access to.
It's like in this particular case, you can still go to the body of the church and ask for assistance.
And this is done daily, by the way.
Done daily.
And by the way, inside of orthodoxy, for instance, or Catholicism, your priests, think of your priest like an assignment to you as a spiritual father.
That's what they are.
Their job day and night is to pray for you, assist you, help you in those big life decisions, and assist you towards the things that it is that you're trying to gravitate towards in life.
And what's so interesting about it, for instance, when my father-in-law, he was literally on his deathbed.
I called my priest at 3 a.m. and left him a message, and he was at the hospital 40 minutes later, right?
I was like, you might have to come down here and do the last rites.
I'm sorry to call you so late.
He showed up with red eyes, right?
It's completely exhausted, had to go to work himself in a couple of hours, right?
And said, well, I'm here, right?
And whatever you guys need.
That is a form of structure that you don't see often that secularists have access to.
So it's like that sort of ecclesiastical authority is necessary.
And I understand the conflict that you bring up, but I think still ultimately, absent that, absent that ecclesiastical authority, she does need to submit to his authority.
She does.
Okay.
Got it.
Very well said.
Yeah, I was just curious in a situation like that where you would be like, you would side with the woman in this case, but it's not some extreme example like jump off a bridge.
It's just something like that.
Even then.
That doesn't comport to reason.
Right.
Yeah.
That just doesn't comport to reason.
It has to comport to reason.
Otherwise, you're violating the very nature of Christian ethics immediately.
Got it.
Okay.
That's just asking, like, if any time somebody would ask you to violate Christian ethics themselves, your obligation then is actually to resist.
Got it.
It's immediately resist.
Okay.
All right.
We're going to get to Stiffler.
Ask everyone to rate their own looks on a scale of one to 10.
You can't pick seven starting with you.
Go ahead.
Damn, that kind of sucks.
I was going to say a seven.
I would say in my own head, I believe I'm a 10.
I feel like every woman should believe they're a 10.
But I honestly, I just, I would say I'm a 10.
Okay.
And you said all women should believe their 10s?
Yeah, just in their own thought.
But to society to support them.
What about men?
Should all men believe their tens?
Yeah.
If they think that they have like a good leadership, they have a good so there's no room for self-improvement and you think that's good.
Yeah, no, you're always good for self-improvement.
But 10 means there's no room for self-improvement.
Looks looks.
Yeah, even looks, still, there's always room for improvement.
Yeah, but that's up to you.
What are we improving?
Like, what are we talking about?
Like, makeup or what?
No, you could improve your health.
That improves your appearance.
Men can improve their physique.
That improves their appearance.
Yeah, so okay.
But I'm a 10 now and I'm a 10 major when I have abs.
Both men and women should view themselves as yes.
Okay, what about you?
Rate your looks on a scale of one to ten.
I just don't believe worth is defined in numbers.
So it's not something I do or believe in.
Okay, well, let's test this.
Would you date a dwarf?
If I was attracted to him and he met my standards.
Are you typically attracted to dwarves?
I haven't met that many.
So would it be your preference to date a guy who's physically fit and six foot one or a guy who's four foot nine?
My preference would be the first.
But I'm just saying, I don't think it needs to be quantified in numbers.
I think each height has intrinsic worth and it goes outside of just physical.
I just think it's vain to one through 10.
Well, wouldn't it be vain for you to not date somebody who's a dwarf?
Technically, if I had to face that decision, then yes, but not in that case.
But I mean, you are making an assessment of somebody on the numerical measurement, someone's height.
It's literally a numerical measurement.
It's kind of just trying to reconcile the whole, you can't make an assessment on looks, but I'm just saying that I am 100% happy with my looks.
And if people want to use numerical values to gauge that on me or anybody else, that's fine.
That's just not a standard that I hold to.
I understand what you're saying about the dwarf and, you know, who would you pick this or that?
But I just think it's kind of, it's not reasonable and it's not something accurate.
What's unreasonable about being able to make like a determination?
Like, let me ask you this.
Can you look at two people?
And it could be two women, it can be two men, whatever it is.
And can you make a determination as to if one is more attractive than the other?
Yes, that's just personal preference.
But that would be, so, okay, but we can start rank ordering.
So if I give you 10 people, you could start maybe ranking them in terms of, okay, this, he's most attractive, next, But that's just not like a belief system that I choose to like apply to.
So technically, yeah, I could sort them all, but I just don't do that.
Well, I mean, it's not even something that is proactively done.
It's just automatically happening.
That is the nature of physical attraction.
Maybe, I mean, are you not physically attracted?
Gross.
Are you not physically attracted?
Or do you not find men physically attractive?
Like you.
You do.
You don't.
Because some women are like, I'm sapiosexual and I only care, it's bullshit, but I only care about their brain and stuff and their values or whatever.
It's like, okay, everybody, it's very hard for me to believe that someone can't make determinations on looks.
I could make a determination, but the overall factor and consideration of choosing one person over another is just such a bigger consideration because not only is it into physical visual physical preference, it goes so far beyond that moral character.
I think if we were just going off that all the time, yeah, no, I agree that there's things that are that are more important and there's other factors to how what we care about when it comes to who we want to partner with.
But I think downplaying the fact that physical appearance and attraction are fairly important here.
I mean it's unreasonable.
Okay.
So you but just to be clear, you don't care about physical attract like you don't care about looks in a menu.
I don't care about quantifying it in numbers and sorting people into boxes.
I just don't think it's okay.
Why would it not be okay?
Because every person has innate value.
I'm not disputing that whatsoever.
But you, I, I'm, it would be fair to say that you would prefer to date somebody who's physically attractive.
That I'm attracted to, yes.
And that can.
So you're sorting them into a box, though.
Yeah.
Yeah, but it's not a numerical rate sheet of, oh, that person's in that category and I'm here and they're there.
But yeah, I'm attracted to a person.
Well, I mean, now you're sugarcoating.
It's like, okay, well, I'm not doing this.
I'm not assigning a number to it.
But like what you're actually doing when if you see like, let's say you're in a room and you see 10 men and you're going to be, you're going to make determinations in your brain, like this one's the most physically attractive.
This one's the least physically attractive.
You're doing it anyways.
Yeah, and that's that's fair.
We all do it in our heads.
We sort things, but it's just not like a value system that I would choose to share on this platform.
Like I don't want to do that.
Is it because you're a 10?
Is that because you think you're a 10?
You can just, you want to say you're a 10?
It's okay.
I won't be upset.
You could, all right.
Okay.
Do you have any racial preferences?
Like, would you only date a white guy?
No, I don't have any.
Really?
Yeah.
You'll date, like, an Indian guy, Asian guy?
You've dated two guys, right?
What?
Were they both white?
No, the last one was Middle Eastern.
Middle Eastern?
Okay, so one white guy, though, and one Middle Eastern guy.
Hispanic.
No racial preferences.
No.
Okay, no hype.
How tall was your last boyfriend?
Six foot.
What about the boyfriend before that?
6'3.
Ah, interesting.
Now that we start to uncover the truth here, so the average male height is 5'10.
Of the two boyfriends you've had, one of them is in the one percentile of men, 6'3.
The other is like, I think the top 10, top 15% of the men.
How tall are you?
5'6.
5'6, right?
So it's interesting to me that you say you would date a short guy.
I've dated a few of you.
But you've dated.
Okay, but of the two men you had long-term relationships with, both of them are above average height.
That's kind of interesting.
But you don't really care.
I don't care about it.
Women say this.
I'm not really interested in what women say.
I look at what they do.
In your case, you dated two men that are one of which is well above the average male height, and six foot is there's a higher proportion of men that fall under six feet.
There's two men that pursued me and they happen to be over six feet.
What?
Okay.
Wait, so just to be clear, wait, they happen to be under six feet?
They happen to be six foot.
Wait.
But are those the only two men who have ever pursued you in your entire life?
No.
Okay, I don't.
Yeah, okay, cool.
They you're just saying I'm looking at what a woman does.
But the men that you ended up in relationships with happen to be six feet and six foot three.
Yeah.
Okay.
So you don't care about height, but look, I mean, it doesn't necessarily disprove it, but it's convenient that you say you don't care about height, you don't care about looks, but these are like 99%.
One of the guys is like 99%ile 1 to 10 to that.
I'm not saying I disagree with the notion entirely.
That would be absurd.
But rating it on a scale of 1 to 10, or I only date guys that are over 6'1.
Okay.
How about this?
Who do you think is the most beautiful woman in the world?
And you can be like, it doesn't have to be like right now.
It could be Megan Fox when she was 20 or something.
I don't know.
How about this?
Who's like a very beautiful woman who you think is like top tier?
Lily James.
Lily.
I don't know who that is.
Do you think you're as attractive as her?
No.
Physically attractive?
Okay.
All right.
Well, don't think you're going to give an answer.
So what about you?
I think that, I mean, first of all, I think that in the eyes of the world, it's subjective.
In the eyes of God, we're all tens.
But I think from a worldly standard, I'm like an average person probably say I'm a six.
Okay.
But that's what I was trying to say earlier.
Wait, hold on.
True?
True, that's what I'm.
No, no, no, not that.
She's a six.
Not a fourth set.
Not a fourth sex.
No, no, no.
Not a second, no, no, no.
But like, yeah, in the eyes of everybody else, yeah, you should think you're a 10.
But what society norms is, they're going to be like, but it is like how she said, personal preference because I'm subjective.
I like them.
I like these.
And there's those shallow people that are like, oh, I will only date these type of people or these type of categories.
So it's just like a, doesn't matter at the end of the day.
You should just care what you think you are.
All right, well, I'll get into that in a bit, but what about you?
I agree with her in a lot of ways.
Like, I think quantifying it, just, I mean, it's kind of, you know, but like, but again, everybody does have the like they, I mean, their own personal preferences, right?
Like what I think is going to be different than what you think.
But I mean, just for the sake of time, I would just say, like, I would just say, like, I would say an eight since I can't say a seven, but I would have gone with seven.
Okay.
Sure.
Of course.
All right.
What about you?
Do you want the two-second answer or the ten-second answer?
Two seconds, two seconds.
Eight.
Okay.
Okay.
Six.
All right.
3.7.
3.7.
All right.
That was.
I would live more towards six than I would.
I never thought so.
Okay.
I'll give myself a five.
Andrew, what about you?
Well, I mean, in the face of all these high numbers, how could I be anything less than a 10?
It's true.
Wait, wait.
Why are you laughing?
You don't believe me?
God's eyes, you're a 10.
So yeah, see, I'm a 10.
So, so you just, so then I guess the rating system just means nothing.
I have a question.
So there's a different question for guys.
I've been told, you know, I mean, I've been in the adult entertainment industry for a long time.
And some people have said to me, they're like, Lauren, you're not a beautiful woman, but you're a cute woman.
What is that like?
That's what I'm kind of like, that's why I rate like an eight or like a 7.5 sometimes, because I think that there's a difference between beauty in a woman and cuteness.
Like it's, it's, it seems to be that's the answer.
And I don't know really what these men see, but that's what the answer I have got.
You see the same thing that you see.
They say you're.
Here, I'll explain.
When you say, people say this ridiculous shit all the time.
Yeah, you're not beautiful, but cute.
Beauty is subjective.
It's like, no, it's not.
Right?
The same woman and the same man, basically anywhere in the world who looks at a person who has a hunchback and they're missing their teeth, right?
And they have like burn marks on their face, hawk marks and shit like that.
They pretty universally are like, no.
Why?
Because you're talking about ideas of reproduction.
Yeah.
Right.
Attraction is based around ideas of reproduction.
If you wonder why it is that men are attracted to youthful looking women.
So what is it?
It's because they're attracted to the ideas of reproduction.
Attraction wouldn't even exist except to assist with reproduction, right?
That's what the whole point of it is.
Question, though.
So ultimately, hang on, hang on.
Let me finish and then you can ask the question.
I think that's fair.
So ultimately, it just comes down to this.
There are actually objective beauty standards in youthfulness.
You're going to be looking for things like a, I think Disney used to kind of really promote this quite a bit, right?
The healthy looking woman, somewhat hourglass-shaped, right?
Hourglass-shaped, very symmetrical features, right?
And a very healthy look about it, robust, healthy look.
And these are universals.
These aren't just subjective features, right?
These are things almost all of us.
This is why I think women and men will often look at women and be like, wow, she's beautiful.
Both of us can make the same assessment.
That's a beautiful woman.
Because we still understand what the attractive levels are between the intersexes, right?
My, my, yeah.
And I understand that.
And I guess my question is, is what does guys mean by when they say you're Lauren, you're not a beautiful woman, but you're a cute woman?
What does that mean?
And I've heard that a few times.
Like, I'm talking like over 15 times.
It makes you feel like a puppy.
So I just don't know what it means.
It means that you ain't Jennifer Love Hewitt in the 90s, but they'd bang you.
Okay, I get that.
I think that's what it means.
I got that.
No bullshit, no nonsense.
You ate 90s, Jennifer Love Hewitt, but they'd bang you.
That's what you mean.
They say you're cute.
Thank you.
That's what we want to do.
You're welcome.
Oh, by the way, we're getting some pizza.
That's coming soon.
Need a little.
Need a little pizza break.
Um, so you said women should just think they're tens.
Yeah, but I think men should think that too.
Wait, can you just maybe and I think that meant that I think everybody should think that though?
Wait, are you wearing a cross?
I thought you weren't Christian.
What the fuck?
Is that just like an accessory?
No, no, no, it's just a well, my grandmother gave it to me.
Oh, okay.
All right, sure.
All right.
Um, so okay, men should think that too.
I think there's a difference, though.
Uh, and here's why.
So, as men, we get rejected instantaneously.
If I step to a girl that's outside my league, I'm not getting anything.
I'm not getting a conversation, I'm not getting her phone number.
I mean, look, maybe she gives the phone number, but it's a fake number, whatever.
I don't get anything.
I don't get a date, I don't get uh, I don't get sex.
You don't get anything as a man if you step to somebody outside of your league.
The same can't be said for women.
Women, if you step to men outside your league, men will be like, Oh, okay, cool.
I'll have sex with her.
And they might have sex with you once, twice, three times.
They might keep you in a friends with benefits situation.
They might even keep you around for three, six, nine months.
But in the back of their head, you're never getting commitment from that guy because they're just keeping you around for sex.
And maybe you have a pleasant personality and you do things for him, you know, chores, whatever.
You help him.
You're doing all the things that you, you know, make yourself more appealing to men.
But on the sole basis of your physical appearance, he's already put you in a category of just on the basis of her looks alone, I don't want a relationship with her.
Now, I'm not saying that this is right.
I'm talking descriptively.
I'm talking descriptively about what happens.
This is what where you hear women complaining about men not committing when you hear men, uh, women complaining about situationships.
Women have access to men that are, and you might not think it's the case, but if you're not getting commitment from the guy, it's the case, most likely.
Although, look, there's guys who are, you could be dealing in your genuine league, and they just, they're playing the field, right?
So, you could be in the dude's league and he's just playing the field.
You're not going to get commitment even if you're on his level, right?
But there's a lot of women, y'all have sexual access to men that are outside of your league.
That's why an average 20-year-old girl can deal with a famous musician, actor, athlete, but it doesn't really work the way, like there's not like 20-year-old college guys that can slide into like a famous female musician's DMs and she's gonna fly him out and fuck him.
Like, it doesn't happen, but the reverse happens all the time.
So, you women, and it doesn't even have to be a famous guy, it could just be like he's really good looking or whatever it is, right?
You can get sexual access to him, you can't, and you can't get a relationship out of him, right?
And this is why, for example, if I can sleep with a girl, I have a very high confidence level, I can get her into a relationship, extremely high confidence level.
Not all the look, doesn't happen all the time, but very confident I can get into a relationship.
But I'd like the women here to think about this.
And I know some of you aren't particularly sexually active, some of you are virgins, but maybe you specifically.
Have you ever been able to sleep with a guy, but you weren't able to get him into a relationship?
I don't sleep with just, I guess, anybody.
Look, I'm not saying, I mean, not me myself, but I have heard about those situations like through friends and everything.
Yeah, I do get it.
But then I don't want to be like the shitty friend, but I tell my friends, like, why are you sleeping with people that don't want to commit to you?
Like, once you push that and you're like, why can't you commit to me?
And they give you the bland answer of, I'm just not ready, or I just don't want it.
Why are you still sleeping with him?
That's your self-worth that you're putting under.
And you're literally like, well, he doesn't want a commitment, but I guess I'll still get my coochie.
Like, no.
So, so, I mean, but the guy already got sex.
He got, he already got what he wanted.
You didn't get what you want, which is the commitment.
But you shouldn't sleep with a guy for just commitment.
I mean, that's what women, a lot of women do.
Not all women, but.
But let me ask you this.
Here, I'll paint a different picture.
Let me ask you guys this.
Let's say a man could sleep with beautiful women, like women who are out of his league.
And just let's say every single day, he could sleep with a new woman that was beautiful, like really attractive.
But those women never wanted to be in a relationship with him.
They just kind of, you know, maybe they kept him around this average guy or maybe slightly above average.
They just kept him around for, you know, type of situation.
What the?
I said, are you giving me like a good luck Chuck type of situation?
Like, have you seen the movie Good Luck Chuck?
Yeah.
I haven't seen it.
Okay, Good Luck Chuck.
I don't know what actor it is, but Chuck is the guy.
And someone put like a curse on him a long time ago and basically was like, you're never going to find commitment, but women are always going to use you to sleep with you.
And once they sleep with you, they're going to get married right after.
So then in the movie, all these girls were like lining up to sleep with him because they were like, I need to get married.
I need to get married.
Obviously.
You know, yeah, yeah.
I mean, you have to have seen it.
Yeah.
Dave, I don't know what his name is.
I don't know.
Yeah.
But like, he's like this weird dentist and like his homie that is his best friend is like a breast augmentation doctor.
And yeah, yeah, it's like a 2008 Raunchi movie, you know?
And I mean, I haven't seen the movie, but sure, whatever.
So you have this guy who all these women who are more attractive than him want to sleep with him or are down to sleep with him.
And he does sleep with them, but he never gets commitment from them.
Meanwhile, you got a girl on his level and she wants to be in a relationship with him, but he's like, wait, hold.
And he's, he'll sleep with them once, twice, three times.
Maybe some of these girls will do situationship with him.
Maybe some of these girls will, you know, friends with benefits, couple weeks, couple months, whatever.
You think that guy who's able to sleep with a beautiful, a different, beautiful woman every night of the week is going to look at like an average girl who's willing to commit to him and be like, oh, okay, now I want to deal with her.
No, but that's a personal problem.
Like if you're longing for a relationship and all these beautiful women are not giving it to you, maybe you're looking in the wrong place.
But so what I'm trying to say is that doesn't happen to men.
That does not happen to men.
Where there's like average dudes who can like sleep with girls who are one, two, three points more attractive than them.
That happens to women all the time, where women can like be average or below average and get a steady flow of men who are interested in them strictly for sexual access.
And these men are, look, I'm not saying it's good for these men to be doing this, but it is what it is.
That's what's happening.
And so that scenario I just painted, that's what's happening to women.
Y'all have access short term to these men who are outside of your league, right?
And then what happens, it's a couple things.
So you have, one, if you look at a girl's Instagram, you look at all the comments, it's all her friends gassing her up.
Oh my God, you're so beautiful, blah, That's one.
Two, you're using makeup and you're using filters and plastic surgery and all these, not all women do plastic surgery, but all these things to artificially elevate their physical appearance and their own self-perception of how they look.
So, women will be like, women will assess female attractiveness of themselves or other women really generously.
And then they assess male attractiveness super harshly.
For example, women will say, Lizzo is beautiful.
If I called any of you girls here, oh my God, you look like Lizzo, I don't think you would take that as a compliment.
But you'll say, she's beautiful.
And then, and then the other thing is you have sexual access to men who are outside of your league.
And so, because of all those factors combined, you think y'all think you're more attractive than you're actually, you actually are.
Meaning, okay, I'm this attractive.
I deserve this caliber of guy.
Then you're going to continuously chase these men who they're like, I don't think this is a match, but I'll have sex with her.
She wants to have sex with me.
And then you look at the guys who are actually on your level and you're like, nope, not attracted to him, even though he's on your level, not attracted to him.
And then some women do this throughout their whole 20s, bouncing from dude to dude to dude to dude.
And then maybe they settle finally in their late 20s, 30s.
And then she resents the dude because he's not as attractive as like the 10, 20, 30 other guys she's been with.
But then like, why'd she settle?
Well, it's not settling, but in her mind, it's settling.
But it's just like a moral thing.
Like, why am I, why is she going from do to do to do to do?
Why is she going from do to do to do to do?
Okay, if we're not thinking about like family and kids, if you take like the average male in the United States who's 18, 19, 20, 21, and you say, and he's average looking, and you're like, okay, you can fuck girls who are better looking than you every single night of the week and get romantic and sexual attention from them.
You don't get commitment though, but you get that.
They're going to be like, and then they have that experience.
And then they finally, okay, in their late 20s and 30s, they're like, you know what?
I want to have kids and settle down.
And then all of a sudden, they can't be, they're not sexually aroused by their actually equivalent girlfriend.
They're not attracted to their looks equivalent girlfriend because they've been fucking supermodels for a decade.
Can I add something?
Now, I know this is kind of an extreme example, but like that's kind of what's happening with women.
Go ahead.
Yeah.
Yeah, the situation you just described does not happen, but it happens in the reverse.
Like you were saying, with the roles, the gender is reversed.
And I would say it's because men will see a woman who's attractive and use her for, you know, recreational use.
Not saying it's, I'm not saying I agree with that, but he doesn't want that woman caring for his household.
So he's not going to commit to her.
Now, in the reverse, women sleep with men who they, because there's always the chance that she could get impregnated.
And it's subconscious.
It's biological.
She'll pick a man to sleep with who she's okay with him impregnating her.
Once she's impregnated, she becomes very vulnerable and she needs a man to stick around.
So if she's sleeping with him, it's because she wants to be with him.
Now, not every time he wants to be with her, too, because she might only have her looks and body to offer and he might not want her caring for the household.
So it's strictly like biological is the reason that that happens to women where men will sleep with her but not commit to her, but it doesn't happen in the reverse.
Yeah, true.
True.
So how does this relate to rating your looks on a scale of one to 10?
If you have hubris and you have an ego, and as a woman, like because as a guy, I could think I'm a 10.
It doesn't matter.
I could think I deserve this caliber of woman as a guy because y'all will reject instantly because you're not going to, for women, it's the reverse, right?
As men, if we're just looking for casual sex, we're going to deprioritize looks.
We reprioritize or over prioritize looks when it comes to relationship, right?
But if we're just like trying to have sex with a girl, yeah, whatever.
Like looks, not a good deal.
So they do when they so they over prioritize looks when the relationship happens.
Not okay.
Yeah, but they care about hold on just to be clear.
Men care about other things besides looks.
But what I'm saying is when it comes to short-term casual sex, men are gonna, like, they're gonna sleep with a woman who is clearly less attractive than if look, if a guy can, he'll sleep with a girl who's more attractive.
Or he'll sleep with, he'll try to get the most attractive girl he can get.
Yeah.
But men are willing for short-term sex.
They will date.
They will have short-term sex with a girl who's less attractive.
Whereas for women, it's the complete reverse.
If a woman is, and not all women are interested in like this, but if a woman is inclined towards a casual hookup, friends with benefits, she goes the reverse way.
So she's not going to like, oh, I'm just going to have casual sex.
I'm going to like lower my look standards.
It actually has to be like the guy has to be really attractive for her to want to have a casual sexual encounter.
Like if he's really attractive, women start breaking their rules when it comes to, I want to wait three months.
I want to commit.
Oh, okay.
I'm not saying all women do this, but the more, he has to be for a woman to be more willing to have casual sexual encounter, the guy has to be more.
She'll break her rules.
He has to be like really attractive.
Like a girl's like, well, if I'm going to have casual sex, he better be damn good looking.
But that's also because of like society norms and everything.
Like men could sleep with anything, like, obviously.
And like when a woman does it, it's like, so I feel like just because also like women aren't supposed to be having casual sex.
Yeah.
So I feel like that's when like the woman tries to do that to make themselves better.
I mean, so not my opinion.
But it's like for the short term to be like, yeah, I know I had casual sex, but you know, he was a 10 out of 10 and blah, blah, blah.
Just because it would not make you feel bad about having casual sex.
Because I hate to say it, but like men will always be like, you know, PSP.
Like, and they do it.
They'll do it with anybody.
So that's the point.
But like with a woman and you have casual sex, it's the point of being like, oh man, I'm kind of embarrassed.
But the fact that now I'm having casual sex, it's the fact that he's a fucking supermodel for whatever the fuck.
You know, I agree.
I think it's like an energy thing.
Yeah.
I think, correct me if I'm wrong, the point you're trying to make is that if all women are deluding themselves into thinking that they're tens, they're less likely to actually find a man who's willing to commit to them.
Yeah.
So that's kind of, I know it takes me forever to land clean hair, but is that what you're saying?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Essentially, what are the things that's getting is if women aren't realistic about like if you're delusional about it.
Oh, okay.
And you're not going to like that.
But if as a woman, you're like, I'm this good looking, I'm a 10, I deserve this caliber of man because I'm a 10 and I'm a, you know, not going to find a man to settle down.
And then, but then you're like, okay, well, if that's, it's leagues, right?
If you think you're outside of.
Yeah, but you're not going to be everybody's cup of tea, just like how she was saying.
It's perfect.
Even people in your own league.
But the thing is, is that y'all, and here's where it gets dangerous, is y'all, you will chase men outside of your league and you won't get commitment.
And then, but if you're dealing with these men romantically or sexually for a short-term period of time, a phenomenon starts to happen.
So what's going to happen is, and I kind of explained it, but it's like, man, okay.
Have you ever had, I'm trying to think.
Okay, imagine you lived in like a luxurious mansion.
You live there.
It's gonna hurt.
It's gonna sting a bit if you start living in a dorm room with three roommates again, right?
Like that's gonna suck, and you're sharing a bathroom.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Have you ever shared a bathroom?
Yeah, yeah.
I got my own bathroom.
Have you shared a bathroom?
No, yeah.
In college, so it's like, okay, as a woman, once you've dealt with a certain caliber of dude, because you have access to it and the same doesn't apply to men, once you've had access to a certain caliber of guy of attractiveness, they'll fuck you.
And then you're going to be like looking at these other guys and you're going to be like, not attract, because you think, oh, man, I'm settling, but you're not.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So that's the danger.
Oh, you first.
You first.
Go, go.
I would like.
Who wants pizza?
Yeah.
Everybody, you want pizza?
Pizza?
Pizza?
Is it pineapple?
It's pepperoni.
Okay, thank you.
Sorry, Andrew.
Okay, so enough.
Pizza, pizza.
Pizza, three, pizza.
It's a four, five.
I'm okay.
Wait, one.
You can do this.
Two, three, four, five.
Okay, there we go.
Okay, I would like to offer this perspective for you.
Instead of encouraging people to delude themselves into thinking that they're tens and there's no room for growth, I would say my personal mindset is even though I can be objective about the way that I look, it's not everything to me.
Still, you can be happy with or indifferent to your appearance, even though you're objectively not a 10.
You can also recognize that there are more important things than appearance.
For example, I do want to be attractive to my husband, so I go to the gym, I eat healthy so that I am, but there's more than just my attraction that I have to offer to my husband.
Yeah, no, definitely.
And then there's also more important things.
For example, doing things for the Lord is much more important than the way you look.
So instead of deluding yourself into thinking you're a 10, you can recognize that your looks aren't that important.
And you can also recognize that there's room for improvement.
Yeah, I said there was.
Okay, so do you agree that that's a better mindset to have instead of deluding yourself into believing you're a six?
Yes, but also like the, you should just like yourself enough that you think.
Now I said that I'm not a 10.
I in fact said I was a six.
However, I like myself.
Yeah, so you believe you are beautiful, right?
I husband the lowest in the world, I guess, but you believe you are beautiful.
In the eyes of God, you are a 10.
Right?
Yeah.
Everybody's saying that.
I don't know if they are the same thing.
No, definitely not.
No, but objectively, I'm not a 10.
Objectively, I'm not a 10.
And that is okay with me.
There's room for growth, and I will do things to grow, even with my appearance.
And my appearance is not the most important thing.
I would argue that that is a much better, much healthier mindset than just deluding yourself into believing you're a 10.
I'm happy with the way I look.
I'm not a 10.
Does that make sense?
Yeah.
So have I changed your opinion?
No.
Okay.
But I respect your opinion.
All right.
Fair enough.
Yeah.
Is that good pizza?
This is actually my first meal of the day.
Oh, yeah.
Girl, stop.
Stop.
I tried to do one of those fast diets for the show.
Really?
Okay, well, I think honestly, too, because I'm like used to like fasting.
So, like, I try to fast, like, just because me internally, I have like gut problems.
So, like, I tried to fast and I need to drink like certain things before I get an appetite.
So, like, it's not like I'm doing it for looks or for like appearances.
I'm doing it because I will throw up my food before I eat.
Like, if I eat at a certain time, yeah, Brian come back and she asked the teacher.
You're the host.
Come on, give me a question.
I have, uh, I'll be right back.
Thank you.
Now, you said, you said that it was a better, healthier mindset than deluding yourself into believing you're a 10.
And then you went back and said, I have not changed your.
That's okay.
If you want to change the subject.
Wait, did I miscalculate the picture?
Okay.
Wait, so one question for you.
Oh, she's getting up.
Okay.
No, the 10.
The 10.
The 10.
10 out of 10, beauty.
I'm kind of curious to hear Andrew's opinion on all of this.
Well, one question before we do that.
Can you tell me a woman who, like another woman who you think is a 10?
Salma Hayek.
But we're in 10 in different leagues.
She's like in a thousand.
Wait, so, but I don't get it.
The math isn't math.
And so.
Yeah.
But it's personal preference.
So Salma Hayek.
Yeah, but I'm not her 10.
Huh?
I'm not her 10.
What does that mean?
I'm a 10 in my own head.
Because to my beauty standard, I'm like, okay, I am beautiful.
So that's what I'm saying.
I agree with her.
But at the end of the day, yeah, Selma Hayek is beautiful.
Mary, can you open up another tab?
Google images search Salma Hayek.
And she never wears makeup.
Yeah.
All right.
Doesn't that work done?
I mean, but I mean, I'm also.
Control mouse wheel up so make it bigger.
Yeah.
All right.
This is, yeah, she's in her 50s, right?
Yeah, she looks good.
Yeah, but look.
But are you saying young Salma Hayek?
No, I'm saying in general.
Any era.
Okay, young.
Type in young Salma Hayek.
She was from Dusk Till Dawn.
I used to think Jesse Jane in Pirates.
Jesse Jane.
Yeah.
Y'all.
I thought she was so hot.
Salma Hayek.
Okay.
So.
But like I'm saying, she's not bad.
Jen is personal prep.
She looks good.
So.
Well, I'm suffering my face.
Just want to be sure we're on the same page here.
Scroll down.
Keep, keep going.
Keep going.
Actually, show 1997, Selma Hayek.
19.
Scroll.
Nah, you don't have to look it up.
Okay.
All right.
Okay, everybody knows the only time that Selma Hayek was at her most attractive was in From Dusk Till Dawn.
That was it.
What about Jesse Jane?
Who is Jesse Jane?
From Dusk Till Dawn.
I have no idea.
That one's not.
Yeah, who is Jesse Jane?
Pornstar.
How else?
Wait, but you seem to object.
I know you're looking at your friend over there.
No, I know.
You girls think that that's some secret shit that guys don't know when girls make eye contact.
When girls do the like, yeah, we know when you're doing that.
I was saying grown-ups.
She looks pretty good in growing up.
Y'all been looking at each other all night.
Like, Ellen, oh, that was like 2010.
I can't believe we asked a question.
I also have another question for you.
If you're a 10, 10 meaning no room for improvement, and makeup is meant to enhance and improve your looks.
If you're 10, why are you wearing makeup?
Because I feel like it.
Because I feel like if you want to wear makeup, then you can't.
I mean, I'm also not wearing foundation.
Because your skin's going to break out regardlessly.
It's part of life.
Like, I'm not going to be like, oh my God, I need a thousand.
I mean, even if I wanted to wear a thousand layers, I would still think I'm a 10 then.
No, I'm not objecting to your wearing makeup, but if you are a 10, 10 means no room for improvement, then you would have no need for makeup.
Would it make you feel better if I said I'm a nine?
So then I could all, because I never said, I never said there was no room for improvement.
Nope.
You said you were a 10.
10 means you're at the top.
Don't feel good.
There is no room for improvement.
You are at the top of the list.
One out of 10.
There's no going above 10.
So you're at, you're, there's always rate me.
I would give you a good seven points.
But you should think he's a 10.
But in your head, yeah.
But in your head, if you think you're a 10, I'd be like, power to you.
Good job.
Thank you.
But also, that's what I'm saying.
It doesn't bother me what other people think they are.
Like if, like how you said, Lizzo, if Lizzo thinks that she's a 10, I'm not going to go up to her and be like, oh my God, you're not thinking about this.
I won't care.
I wouldn't care.
Like, I would be like, that's not my son.
You're still settling for me, but like, you're still settling for me.
Can I ask something?
Yeah.
So just random questions.
So you wear what you want to wear because you want to wear it, right?
Yeah.
And stuff.
So would you wear that outfit at home instead of just wearing this?
Girl, you should see what I go to the grocery store.
Okay.
Yeah.
Curious.
I personally believe you should wear whatever you want and you should feel comfortable in whatever you want.
And I was going to, I could have came in like sweats, but it's the fact that they were like, hey, where no, in the message, it was like, wear this if you would wear it on your, and I would, this is a going-out outfit.
Yeah, like something you'd wear to fish.
There's a difference between a going-out outfit and a staying in outfit, is what you're saying?
Well, I mean, not really, because I would go out in sweats too.
Andrew, what's your question?
Yeah, help me out here.
I'm just really curious.
So if you're not a 10, you're a nine.
Got it, right?
So are most of the guys that you're going out with then you're dating down?
No, I think that they think that they're tens too.
So then it's just based on them thinking it.
Yeah, I was, but that's what I'm saying.
I would assume that they would think that they're 10s.
Let me ask you a different question.
Let us pretend, hypothetically, that you were at a rating seminar where there was going to be 100 men.
But I wouldn't be raising.
And all 100 men, hang on.
All hundred men were going to rate you from their own subjective experience, okay?
And then we were just going to average what all of them said to come up with an average.
What do you think the average for you would be based on how all hundred men voted?
Okay, so that could have been the question that Stiffler asked.
Well, then it was the question.
He just, no, he said, ask what you think you are.
Hang on.
Not what other people would think you are.
Hang on, hang on, hang on.
Hang on.
Without commentary, can you answer that question, please?
No, I can't, honestly.
You can't answer it?
Because I wouldn't know that their personal preference.
If I went into that subjectively, it could be people that like Asian women.
It could be people that like white women.
It could be people that like women that are six feet.
It could be.
So that's what I'm saying.
It's a personal preference.
Okay, we'll make it easy.
We'll make it easy.
It's 100 white mechanics between the ages of 20 and 40.
Well, I don't know their preference.
That's what I'm saying.
Let me ask you this.
If you had to put money on the fact that they would either rate you all, rate you a 10 or they wouldn't.
It wasn't done.
It wasn't done.
Hang on.
I'm going to love this finish the exchange.
She's actually right, though.
I was actually going to bring this up.
Let's say that you had to put a million dollars on.
You would win a million dollars if you guessed right.
You would win $1 million if you guessed right.
Right?
It's like a game show.
Yeah.
So I would say like a seven, but I couldn't say seven because Tiffley didn't say seven.
He said I couldn't say seven.
So if they can't say seven.
Hang on.
So that's part of the game show.
Then I put myself at an eight.
None of the men can say seven.
You think that's a good one.
Okay, but do all 100 men have the same preference?
They have roughly the same preferences, yeah.
Doesn't matter about roughly because at the end of the day.
No.
We'll quibble over which women, which woman is more beautiful than another woman, but we don't usually quibble over which women are fucking ugly.
Yeah, because that's rude.
But it's true.
We just wanna be aware of that.
But it's rude.
But it's still your own personal thought that you should not share.
You and your friends, you and your friends also may quibble about which women are more pretty than other women, but I doubt you and your friends quibble very much about which women are fucking ugly.
I doubt you quibble very much about it.
Isn't that the truth?
Isn't it true that you don't really quibble about which ones are ugly?
Only which ones are more beautiful than other beautiful women?
Isn't that the case?
You'd be surprised.
Yeah, there's literally telling you.
Yeah, no, because there's some, I'm not even going to lie.
My friend is kind of mean.
Sisterhood always has to be.
No, no, no.
My friend's kind of mean because we'll go out of the bar and something and she'll be like, oh, that bitch is so fucking ugly.
And I'll be like, damn, you shouldn't have said that.
Like, but that's what I'm saying.
I don't have the same mindset that she has.
I don't have the same mean.
You shouldn't have said that.
Yeah, maybe.
That's exactly like I'm saying.
It's a thought you keep to yourself.
Maybe it was mean.
Hang on, hang on.
Maybe it was mean, but was she wrong, though?
Most of the time, yeah, because I'll look at them and I'm like, what the fuck are you talking about?
Like, you're just drunk.
Yeah, but that's what I'm saying.
No, no.
I swear to God.
Oh, my God.
I swear.
I will never be like, oh, my God, she's so fucking ugly.
For no reason, because it's not my preference.
It is not my preference.
Hang on, hang on.
Listen, I'm not talking about no reason.
I'm saying that when you and your friends assess the valueness of attractiveness, you probably argue quite a bit about which women have better hair and which one's prettier than another one and this type of thing.
That's fair enough, right?
But do you really quibble that much on an objectively ugly woman or don't you all just go, oh shit, yeah, she's not the most attractive?
Not the most attractive.
Yeah, but that's to you.
Exactly.
Exactly.
And that's my opinion.
But that's what I'm saying.
Like, I really don't care enough.
Exactly.
Yeah.
But that's what I'm saying.
I don't care enough about another person that I really have no relation to.
Like, never met them.
Do you think I'm going to care?
Like, that girl that my friend called ugly, I would literally tell her, don't give a fuck about what she says because you don't know her.
Like, I'm not going to show.
Right?
Like, I'm not going to be like, oh, my God.
Like, because at the end of the day, I don't care about the people that are not close to me.
I don't care about the people's opinions that aren't my parents, that aren't my favorite.
Okay.
I just want to point this out that you don't care about your own contradiction.
Here's your contradiction, right?
If you're 10, you're 10 because you feel like a 10.
Do you and your friends even quibble about who's ugly?
No.
It's like, it's not your point.
Yeah, because I think everybody should think you're 10.
I just believe that you should like yourself.
Here, just to move things on, just to move things on.
And I want hopefully some quick answers on this.
Do you think you'll be better looking, better looking in 10 years' time?
Depends what I do.
Depends if I take care of my health.
Because you're 25.
Yeah, depends if I take care of my health because, I mean, health is a big thing, like how she was saying.
Health is a big thing.
Like, if I just right now.
All things being equal.
Yeah.
I usually stopped doing the standard all things being equal.
Do you think you'll be better looking in 10 years' time?
If I take the time and effort to do so, then yeah.
Yeah.
Okay, 20 years' time, 45.
Yeah, same thing.
30 years' time, 55?
55?
I mean, obviously I'll start showing age, but that's normal.
Like, and I believe that just because you're older, you shouldn't think you're ugly.
And that's the problem with society.
You can't be mad.
I'm not even making that argument.
I think people can be attractive.
Like, there was a whole movie, The Substance, about that.
You can be attractive at 30, 40, 50, 60, whatever.
The question is, though, compared to 25, will you be more attractive at 55?
I guess to myself, I'm going to have to love myself, but it's nobody's personal preference is damn that 55-year-old cougar.
I mean, to young men that love cougars, I guess.
I guess.
Okay, how about this?
I'll make it super simple.
You're in a club, and the average age of the men in the club is 35, right?
So 10 years older than you.
You're in the club at 25.
Your 55-year-old version is also in the club.
There's 100 men in there.
Do they prefer the 25-year-old you or the 55-year-old you?
They're going to prefer the 25-year-old me because men like women that are younger.
Cool.
Most of the time.
But to you, though, I'm just going to move it on.
You're 22, better looking in 10 years' time at 32.
Right now.
Okay.
You're 22 better looking in 10 years time at 32?
Into the mic if you can.
Sorry.
20 years' time at 42?
No.
Okay.
You're 22 better looking in 10 years time at 32?
No.
Okay.
You're 32 better looking in 10 years time at 42?
I don't think so, but I'm going to gun for it.
I'm going to chop my hair off really short and have it black and then have a real, I already have a look planned for 10 to 20 years out from now, and I want short hair with black and I just.
All right.
And then going back 10, it's fine.
Going back 10 years, were you better looking at 22 or now at 32?
I'm now better looking now.
Than you were at 22.
Yeah, I'd be like, you're 21 better looking in 10 years' time at 31?
No, I think these next five years are going to be my peak.
Okay.
You're 21 better looking in 10 years' time at 31?
I don't think I'll look better in 10 years, but I think I'll hopefully look better in five.
Okay.
You're 21 better looking in 10 years' time at 31?
No, of course not.
Okay, all right.
I mean, pretty reasonable there.
You know what?
Here's what we're going to do.
We're going to do the, we have the AI age advancement.
So we're going to go through that.
We have put all of you through AI.
We're going to see how you guys look older because reasons.
So let's go ahead and pull the first one up.
Wow.
I'll pull that up again.
Shout out Botox.
Shout out Botox.
What are these ages?
Yeah, what are the ages?
I want to know.
Like 90?
That's a good question.
Yeah, that is not 10 years from now.
Yeah, yeah, that's bangs.
Yeah, yeah.
And I won't have my bangers in 10 years.
But like, I want to know like ages-wise.
Like, that's not the best.
I don't know.
That's probably five years from now.
Oh, my God.
Depends on how.
But that's like if I keep smoking and I decide to do drugs and I do that.
Exactly.
Yeah.
Okay.
Next.
Ootine.
Okay.
The middle one's not bad.
She's a milk.
What the?
Okay.
She's a milk and live.
All right.
I like the gray.
Okay.
Next.
Oh, no.
Oh, my gosh.
I'm scared for my eyes.
I'm scared.
Oh, that's terrible.
Oh, wait, no one looks good.
That's also cute.
The middle is not bad.
I don't think it's good.
This is what your future holds.
Really?
But is she 90 in the last one?
Wait, why are your eyes all fucked up in the middle?
What happened to the eyebrow?
Go in two different directions actually.
Oh, my God.
I'm scared.
Okay, wait, hold on.
Next.
Oh, my God.
That actually.
That's not bad.
No, that's not bad.
I've seen worse.
I've seen worse.
Okay, wait.
I wouldn't wear that madark of makeup at that age.
No.
I would have long gray hair.
I'd be a hippie chick.
I'd be a hippie chick with Lululemon.
Okay.
Long gray hair to my butt.
Oh, no.
Next.
Okay.
Oh, oh, I kind of look like my grandma.
Oh.
Okay, let's see how bad this is.
Next.
Oh, gosh.
I'm apparently transitioning soon, guys.
You look cute.
I love that.
You look so sweet.
You are going to be the sweetest grandma.
You just look good.
I'm going to be giving crazy.
No, literally, you're going to be the best grandma.
I'm going to help you across the road.
I would help you.
Yeah, I would help you across the road.
I need help across the road already.
I've totaled two cocks.
Oh, my goodness.
I feel like two.
I would get at least a fig Newton out of a deal if I could.
One of those caramel candies.
I should have brought that for everyone, too.
You know what else, too?
You look like one of those grannies who would have the permanent horror look on their face, you know, where they're just all right.
I'm going to be such a fun grandma.
You know what I mean?
Those are the ones you know are going to give you.
I'm going to have the little chihuahuas too.
You know, one of those grannies?
You look Native American all of a sudden.
Do you look like hair?
Is that because her hand is up like that, Brian?
No, I didn't get that.
No, just the facial.
I wouldn't even know.
The facial structure is fascinative.
I agree.
It is.
Yeah.
Yeah, she is native.
I agree.
Hi-cheek.
I'm American.
Yeah, I'm looking like a man, but it's okay.
Also, the bone structure.
Are you Native American?
I am Native American.
The Wine Dot tribe of that one?
Yeah, Wine Dot.
I don't know about that one.
That's cool, though.
It's in Oklahoma.
Oh, dope.
Hell yeah.
Do they have casinos out there?
Yes, they do.
Nice.
They do.
Nice.
The Chew Mash here.
Brian, what happened with this chick earlier anyway?
Oh, it's been a great panel.
Why did she not want to stay on the panel?
She was nervous.
Yeah, yeah.
She got.
I think her hands were kind of shaking a little bit.
I saw it over there.
I think it was just the setup, and I think she wasn't really prepared for the questions that were going to be asked.
Just a lot of people.
But I mean, you guys seem to be having a good time.
It doesn't seem particularly hostile in here.
This girl.
She was also the youngest one that's here.
Oh, yeah.
She was like, what, 18?
Oh, yeah, she was the youngest.
She was scared.
Yeah, she heard us all say our ages, and I think she was like, okay, yeah.
She was looking at the camera because she did it.
I just don't think she doesn't want to be here anymore.
Anyone or to vote?
Anyone?
No.
I do.
I do.
Okay, next.
Oh, no.
Oh, no.
I hope it.
You look good.
Oh, you're just me.
You're too bad.
You look cute.
We're going to be cute little grandmas.
Hey, leave me alone.
I'm not going to care.
All right.
Next.
Oh, this is the girl who rage quit.
Oh.
Hey, there you go, Chad.
She doesn't look bad.
Wow.
That's me.
What do you mean?
She doesn't look bad.
Oh, wait.
Go back.
That one overcomes.
She's going to eat your kids.
Wait, go back to the other one.
Go back to the girl.
You know, it's probably good that she left because if she saw that, if she saw this, this would have just destroyed her.
You think she would have raged quit after that?
Yeah.
Oh, yeah.
She would have raged.
She was bound to rage.
I don't think we're just shyly walking.
Yeah.
We're not rage out.
That's how that's working for sure.
It wasn't a rage quit.
That's just like my definition of a term.
Have you had people that go to the bathroom?
Like, I'm going to go to the bathroom and then they just don't come back.
Like, they didn't want to rage quit.
They just say, I'm going to go to the bathroom.
Yeah, we've had people who like excuse themselves, don't say anything, and then just leave.
It just leaves.
It's not a rage quit, but it's like, how else am I going to walk off?
I don't know.
Where do they go in the bathroom and do drugs?
You got to love that.
This happened.
Literally, just go back.
You know what, Andrew?
I need to have, what's that?
Narcan?
I need to have Narcan in the studio in case there's like residue.
That's smart.
I'm going to go through your studio with any sort of like blue light or any sort of anything.
It's got like a studio of shit.
You know what, Andrew?
Here's some whatever lore that I've never shared.
So there's, if I collected these items, the amount of like fake nails that have popped off like under the table.
Some girls were like peel that shit under the table.
Oh, for sure.
Andrews.
There's hair.
The amount of fucking hair left in the studio.
Oh, my God.
Ridiculous.
I'm sorry, I shed a lot of hairballs.
There's hair balls in the studio from women.
And then there's fake nails and fake lashes.
These are the trophies that the women leave me.
Trophies.
They're trophies.
Yeah.
I should make a wall.
I actually collect.
Well, that makes sense.
The greatest challenge of the bearded husband is how they can keep their wife's hair out of their beard.
That's the greatest challenge.
I haven't heard of that.
How in the world can I ever have a meal again where I where I'm there's not like blonde strands which come out of my hair?
A beard comb.
Yeah, it's true.
It's true.
My dad loves the way he finds himself.
It's because women, women are, you know, they're short, right?
Like my wife's much shorter than me.
So always, like, when I see her in the kitchen, stuff like that, I'll usually, you know, I'll give her a kiss on the neck or a kiss in the back of the head or a kiss on the forehead or something like that.
Just even in passing, right?
I just like to do that kind of shit.
It's just impossible.
It's like, it's like Velcro, right?
Just grabs it, just pull it.
Now you don't even know it.
You don't even know it.
I'll be sitting there.
I'll be like playing a video game with my kids.
Strand blonde hair just like hanging off.
And I'm like, oh, leave it.
So leave it.
After every kiss, do you have to go to the bathroom and like check the mirror and be like, I have to make sure I don't know?
No, I don't give a shit.
I just think it's, you know, I just want to say that.
But imagine how hard it is for the women because like I can't wear black anymore.
Oh, wait, what?
Wait, well, I should say.
Andrew, I have a question.
Andrew, I just got a DM from somebody saying I'm spreading, like at two hours ago or one hour ago, saying I'm spreading spread.
Oh my God, I can't speak.
It's the champagne.
I'm a lightweight.
I'm spreading literal Russian propaganda.
What?
Did we say anything tonight that would have been about the Ukraine?
Because Ukraine, yeah.
You said that the Ukrainians are drafting sometimes by force and you are though.
Yeah, but who cares?
Don't you understand that everything a leftist disagrees with is Russian propaganda, Brian?
Doesn't matter what it is.
Yeah.
Like, like, okay.
So that Brian, yeah.
Brian, are you pro-Trump?
Am I pro-Trump?
Yeah, are you?
Look, I got criticisms of the guy, but yes.
Well, I mean, because you're a fucking Russian sympathizer, Putin.
Yes, of course.
Because you don't care about the disinfo campaign that happened during his first election cycle, because you don't care that the only reason we didn't have a first woman president to break the glass ceiling, literally rented out a building with a glass ceiling, not meeting for her acceptance speech, is because of Putin, Brian.
That's why.
It's true.
Russian disinformation, disinformation campaign is ridiculous.
It's true.
But what's weird is, I mean, there are videos capturing this that are disseminated by Ukrainian citizens.
A girlfriend will be walking with her boyfriend.
He gets abducted by the military police.
There's hundreds of these videos of these Ukrainian men being taken by the military police or whoever it is.
So I mean, that's just factually true.
I don't think that would.
Whatever you say, comrade.
Okay.
I need like that Russian national anthem music playing right now.
So, wait, where were we?
Oh, we were doing, okay.
Next, okay.
I mean, you took an old photo of me.
No beard, but okay, I'll take it.
I'll take it.
Next.
Oh, look at that.
Okay.
All right, Andrew.
Looking good.
You look like a philosopher.
Oh, philosopher.
I'm going to be in the nursing home one day.
Oh, yeah.
I don't know how Rachel.
Especially if I keep my charming sense of humor and word to go with those roguish old man looks.
Not going to be able to keep their hands off me.
Can I add a weird note?
Oh, is it like the STD rate in nursing homes?
Yes, it's so weird.
It's so weird.
Apparently, it's like really.
Do you know why that is?
You don't want to know why that is.
I'm not even going to get into it.
Appreciate that.
Oh.
Is it like okay?
Well, a lot of it has to do with like elder reviews.
Let's put it that way.
Oh, no.
Wait, really?
That's unfortunate.
I thought they were just fucking.
I thought people were just coming in, and that would make a lot of sense.
Just doing that.
A lot of it has to be elder reviews.
That's really unfortunate.
Especially an ethnic population.
I'm not even going to get it.
Yeah.
Wow.
Getting wild in there.
I guess.
Okay.
Here, let's do the, I guess the.
Wait, hold on.
Oh, we have gender swaps.
Let's do gender swaps.
Yeah.
Would you date yourself?
Wait, go back.
Would you date yourself as a man?
Yeah, low-key.
First picture or second picture?
You prefer.
Well, the first picture is V, but I'm going to be so honest.
But that's a personal preference.
I love facial hair, so the second picture.
I love facial hair.
Yeah, sexy.
Yeah.
All right, she date herself.
Sure.
That's good.
All right.
If you gave me a goatee solo, then maybe I would for sure 10 out of 10.
Next.
Oh.
Wow.
Dang.
You're not an attractive man.
Wow.
Would you date yourself?
No, I meant to be a woman.
Oh, but you look good.
You look good.
No, but like, not yourself, but like, if it would you date that guy and there's no birth defects.
You look good as both.
He's a man of God.
Possibly the third, but no.
Wait, I thought looks.
Hold on.
I thought looks didn't really matter.
All right.
Next.
Oh, if you were single.
You look good.
If you were single and not married, would you date this person?
Probably not.
I don't know.
It depends on their personality.
Oh, yeah, no.
All right.
Next.
Okay.
You look like a DJ.
Like an Ibiza.
Yeah.
Like a mega-nose type of DJ.
Like a hero.
Yeah, exactly.
Like Sweden or something.
Would you date the male version of you?
I don't think so.
Yes, I would.
No, I don't think so.
You don't think so?
I don't know.
Not the first picture.
I think it's just a little creepy.
What if he's like a really creepy?
You know, he's a God-fearing man.
He's also a virgin.
And he's nice and treats you well.
Yeah, you know, I'd give that a go.
I'll give it a go.
Give it a go.
I'll give it a go.
Yeah.
Not your first pick, though, right?
Not your first pick.
I'll give it a go, though.
All right.
Okay.
All right.
Next.
Oh, shit, my bad.
No, I look, I don't look like I date.
I look like I date men right there with the nose piercing and everything.
I can't.
In that picture, I look like I would date like a guy.
It's not bad looking.
Yeah, it's not terrible.
It's not bad.
It's not bad, but I look like I would date a guy because the nose piercing.
Yeah.
So you wouldn't date him, though.
I wouldn't date him because he'd probably date men or I probably.
I'm sorry.
I wouldn't date him because I'd probably date.
I probably date men in that situation because the nose piercing.
He would probably date you.
I look gay.
He looks good.
Yeah, I look.
Yeah, because of the piercing and the smile and just everything.
But let's say he's straight.
Oh, straight?
Let me see again.
We did a test.
There was a test.
No, no.
I don't think so.
I think, no.
I think no.
Still no.
Okay.
He's like super straight.
Still no.
No, but if I was a guy, maybe I'd date a guy.
Next.
Oh.
Ooh, that guy looks like my brother.
That's my favorite.
Oh, that's crazy.
And not bad looking.
He's a decent guy.
Not bad looking.
He looks like that.
Oh, I can't believe I know that.
No, that looks like.
He looks like this TikToker guy who dated Charlie D'Amilio's sister.
Oh, I think I know.
Do you know who I'm talking about?
The team.
Noah.
Isn't it Noah?
Noah.
Yes.
Noah Cyrus.
I can't believe I even know who that is.
That was old TikTok, I think.
Yeah.
That was like five, six years ago, probably or something.
Yeah, I had a shit.
Would you date him if you were single?
If you were single, he's attractive enough to date, yes, but he looks like my brother a lot, so I probably wouldn't.
But the attractive level is yes.
Got it.
Okay, all right.
I'm gonna look at the exact same with my old lady picture.
Oh, okay.
Okay, that's not bad.
That's not bad.
Yeah.
Would you date?
No.
I feel like you know someone that looks like a bad one.
He looks like a sweetheart.
Yeah, he's actually really nice.
First of all, the hair, the one wisp on the last one.
You gotta be a little charitable with the AI, you know?
No, imagine the wisp isn't there.
I'm not very fit, but I do want someone that's very fit, and that person does not look fit.
Wait, wait, hold on.
Can you repeat that one more time?
I'm not very fit.
I'm working on it, but I would want someone who is fit.
Preference.
It's one thing I'm working on.
I know it's a bad thing.
I'm working on it.
I'm working on it genuinely.
It's okay.
I'm working on it.
I'm not happy.
I had severe bio depression and I basically didn't leave my house for four months at one point.
And I got fat and lazy.
And I'm like, oh, screw it.
I'm going back to working with horses and animals and going to start working on it.
So you want an active lifestyle, so you want someone else to do that.
That's like my personal trainer.
Okay.
But get up, you loser.
Aw, probably not.
But yeah.
Probably both go to the gym together.
It's unrealistic.
Just like the bear question.
It's unrealistic, my answer, but I also when you say fit, are you talking like Chris Bumstead?
Or what's his name?
Bum?
I don't know.
I don't know who he is.
Seabum.
Seabum.
He's like bodybuilder, super ripped.
Oh, no, no.
I'm just wanting someone that could pick me up.
Okay.
Before or after the weight loss.
I'm working on the weight loss.
Beforehand.
I would prefer he'd be able to pick me up before so he can actually pick me up when I'm pregnant.
So you know, oh, okay.
Okay.
Fair enough.
Could you do it with your bad back?
I do have a bad.
I'd probably, if she asked me to.
She passed out right now.
You need to carry her.
I would probably need to ice my back if I did that.
So mean, Brian.
So mean.
But I get the pregnant thing.
I get wanting to be picked up when you're pregnant.
I get that idea.
Bales of hay.
Or even like sexy against someone.
You can toss bales of hay.
I'm living on a farm.
I'm going to live on a thousand acres.
Okay.
I live on 400 acres right now and I want horses.
Okay.
Oh, so he's going to have to lead the horses too because it'd be strong and you know the horses they get.
He has to handle a thousand pound animal.
I could handle a thousand pound animal, so he needs to.
He needs to handle a what?
A thousand pound animal.
Oh, you're talking about horses.
Oh.
Oh.
Oh, I was on this great show.
The horses, Brian.
You should have more self-esteem.
Well, I'm working on it.
I know I can improve.
Because what if he just thinks, like, you know, most normal people, that horses are assholes.
Oh, they are the worst jerks.
And I have a massive scar on my arm, hence the long sleeves, from when a horse gets kicked.
Wait, it bit you?
Oh, it rips chunks of muscle out.
I almost, I couldn't even get stitches in because it was so big.
Yeah.
What?
Yeah.
Yeah, they're bastards.
And you can be dealing with one who's been docile for years and get kicked.
Oh, no, 1,000%.
Oh, absolutely.
They're total dicks.
You have to treat them like a loaded gun, basically.
Oh, no, they are awesome, though.
You have to treat dogs the same way somewhat.
I got bucked off a horse and it got chased by beagles.
No, pit bulls, you do.
I'll give you an example.
Beagles are used in medical experimentation because you can do horrible things to them and then they'll come over and lick your hand after.
Oh, no, no, I agree.
I think it's just the nature of the dog.
No, I agree.
I was speaking stupidly about pit bulls, where you have to be wary about certain things.
And I don't want to get in the pit bull thing.
I'm probably going to bore in my pet store.
Oh, I'm with you.
I don't like pit bulls.
No, they're just the rate, the numbers just speak and stuff.
And it was just stupid to continue breeding them and stuff.
I don't think they're terrible, dog.
Before the whole pandemic thing, I used to say that pit bull apologists were the anti-vaxxers of the dog community.
But now that being anti-vax is kind of all the rage, I can't really make that analogy.
Wait, wait, Brian.
I never asked you this.
Did you take the Jabby Stabby, bro?
No.
No, you didn't do it.
No.
Okay.
Yeah.
Smart.
Facebook.
Facebook.
Yep.
So.
Who on the panel took the Jabby Stabby?
Show of hands.
Oh, am I the only one?
Oh, shit.
I'm allergic.
I did have an allergic reaction to it, and they had to record it at the CBS, and then they had to get the Ebby Pen and put it in my leg.
Yes.
I guess you shouldn't have taken it then, huh?
Which one?
Trust the science.
I guess not.
Sometimes I wonder.
Trust the science.
Okay.
So we were talking about horses or animals or something.
Yes, horses, pit bulls.
Wait, no, wait, really quick.
I just want to explore this.
So you want a fit guy.
I'm working on being fit myself.
I actually got a lot of gym equipment.
I've lost about 10 pounds in the past year, which I know isn't a lot.
I am on medications that make me overweight.
So I am working on it.
I'm bipolar, so I need these medications.
Oh, Lord.
Then it doesn't matter how fit you are, right?
Like the bipolar thing is the worst red flag ever.
I'm sorry.
I get you.
The one thing I would recommend, even if, let's say that this chick, if you had to take a choice, if it was like Andrew, gun to the head, right?
Two beautiful women, one who has literally had sex with 500 men, or one that has only had sex with 20 men, but is bipolar.
I would still take the one at 500.
Okay, it's not bad.
Wait, what about a virgin?
Wait, Andrew.
The worst on earth.
Andrew.
It's virgin, but bipolar.
That's curious.
Nope.
And she'll be loyal to you, but she's fucking bipolar.
She won't want, she'll cling.
She'll cling.
I'm also a child.
Or 100 body count, no bipolar.
Just anything that's not bipolar women.
Like the stories, most of the stories that I've heard from men, right, talk to thousands of men all over the world, just like I do women, right?
Listen to their various kinds of horror stories about the opposite sex and this type of thing.
Almost every single time a woman has gone like fucking ape shit to try to annihilate a guy's entire life, she has been diagnosed with BPD.
Okay, I wasn't diagnosed with your life.
Is that borderline personality or what is it?
It's not borderline personality, or is it?
Bipolar.
BPD, BPD is different than bipolar, but both bad.
So I have a question.
Well, they can be misdiagnosed even though they're pointing to the same type of phenomenon.
You know what I mean?
They're pointing to the same type of thing.
Yeah, well, I was autistic and they just put me on bipolar diagnosis and they worked.
W autism.
Well, I feel you, Andrew, because right now I'm actually, what's really interesting is, so when I was younger, like about 21, I think like I was just going through a really weird time.
People were really mean to me.
I didn't look like I did now.
I was going through like a lot of health issues.
I had acne all over my body all the time.
You're not a natural beauty.
I'm not.
Well, so, okay, I had acne so bad when I talked to people, it would break open as I talked to them.
It was that bad.
People would insult me from off the street.
I think that I was just put in a weird situation.
So I was diagnosed with bipolar and BPD, but I'm not kidding.
I left.
I know.
I know.
But hey, hold on.
I left where I was and those people, my life got better.
Now I left the medical place that invalidated me for my MS because I was diagnosed at another hospital with MS. And then this other one refused to.
And they said, you need to have another attack at our hospital.
So I said, you know what?
I'm just going to get a full mental health re-evaluation because honestly, I think it was the people I was surrounded with.
I think it was the situation, looking at myself with acne everywhere, looking at myself not feeling great.
I think that had something to do with it.
So I have not had any episodes or nothing at all.
Yes.
So I genuinely think it was just my life sucked at that point and now it's better.
So I think re-evaluations after so long, I mean, I'm not going to argue the point.
I think they misdiagnosed me.
I think that 90% of psychology is fucking bullshit.
I agree.
The thing is, like, the misdiagnosis of these types of things is over the top, right?
Well, yeah, they kept giving me pills and I think that's what I'm saying.
What I'm saying is that we're pointing to behavioral phenomenon.
Yeah.
And then trying to give descriptors to it.
BPD, bipolar, this and that.
What I'm pointing to is the behavioral phenomenon of women who are like on a dime and just, they, you know, they just switch.
Yeah.
The mode of them just switches.
And it's like, those women are the fucking worst.
Okay, because they don't act with any empathy and what they'll do.
This is the craziest part.
They'll annihilate a guy's entire life on a Tuesday and then go over to him on a Wednesday like nothing ever happened and that everything should be good.
And like, hey, babe, how you doing?
This and that.
And they're like, what the fuck?
You just burned my whole house down and ruined my car.
Why are you here?
And they're like, oh, honey, don't worry about it.
You know what I mean?
Yeah.
Fucking nutcases.
Nutcaces.
Okay, I don't want me a nutcase.
Who here is diagnosed with a mental illness?
Raise those hands high.
Be proud of your illness.
You're all be proud.
I am.
Be proud.
But I am going in for an re-evaluation.
What do you got?
What you got?
Anxiety and depression.
Sweet.
Lydia, what you got?
I don't have anything.
I didn't raise my hands.
You got a little anxiety?
No.
OCD?
No.
Psychopathy, psychopathy.
She's like psychopathy.
Psychopathy is NPD?
No.
BPD?
Nope.
Bipolar?
None of the above.
Antisocial personality disorder?
Nope.
Anything?
Nothing.
Bipolar?
Nothing.
Okay.
I have everything.
I have one too.
I have been diagnosed by thousands of women who are not psychologists as having narcissists.
Narcissists, yeah.
A lot of guys.
Ah, yes.
I've been called a narcissist.
A narcissist.
I've been called a narcissist.
Okay.
So you want to date someone who's mentally ill?
Wait, so I have a question.
I have a question for you, Andrew.
Or you don't have a question for him.
Oh, I have a question for both of y'all.
I want to hear that.
Both of y'all.
Here's my question.
My question is this.
Do you believe that, like someone's life could just be like just tumultuous at some point and they are misdiagnosed by doctors and then all of a sudden, like yeah, there's a.
There's actually a famous um I can't think of his name off the top of my head.
I'm sure Chad will correct me, give me a massive L for this.
I can't because I can't think of his name but he calls it problems in living.
Yeah, problems in living.
He thinks most social forms of anxiety and mental health issues and things like this.
He thinks that the descriptors are very poor for it and that's why we come up with like shit, like BPD and blah blah blah, which are misdiagnosed constantly.
Nobody ever cures them of anything.
They put them on pills.
He says problems in living and that, with just subtle changes to your life, coping with life itself and getting rid of some people seem to just kind of stop happening to people.
Isn't that amazing?
Yeah, some people just really drag your life down and once you dispose of them, like they're literally like your life gets better and you're like wow, i'm not mentally ill, I just was surrounded by weirdos.
Like cool yeah yes, I genuinely feel like that though, which I feel like if I was surrounded by a bunch of women who acted like you did.
I would probably develop a mental illness.
That seems great.
Uh here, do we have any more for the gender swap?
Do we have anything else for the gender swap next?
Oh okay oh, I didn't see.
Oh uh.
Oh man, my husband has raised the bar for my standards because he's so attractive.
So I don't think so.
I don't look like him.
Next oh, he looks like me.
That looks like a singer.
Oh, I thought you said we're about to say down syndrome.
Oh no, like one Direction or something.
Zaylen Malik Thomas Saz is his name.
Okay, you would probably like his literature.
All right next, oh okay oh wow, great screen grab there.
Wow, short bust.
Okay, so a tan version and a and a lighter version.
I look special.
There's a version and a hot version okay, all right.
Okay Andrew, looks like basketball player.
Wait, the woman basketball player.
What one?
The woman?
I thought you said you looked like a tall black man, a woman, a female basketball player, like it looks like you'd be on the team or something if you.
Yeah, you hear that Andrew, you're on the team.
The fuck you're, Andrew.
You remind her of a female.
What basketball player is going on here tonight.
What do you mean?
Look like a female basketball player?
Is that how they look?
I don't know.
I'm waiting on your Mcdonald's meal watches female basketball, so we don't even know right, but if they did, Is that what they look like?
Well, like Angela Rees, yes, yeah, Angel Reese, Andrew, you are just a you just have a striking resemblance to those female basketball matches.
Yeah, put them in actually, Andrew.
I think you would actually do really well in the WNBA.
Like, you would, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, men and women's sports, gotta love it.
Um, Natalia, she says, bet they twite left on themselves if they were gender swapped on the dating app.
Well put, Natalia.
Yeah, I mean, that's kind of the point of this.
It's not perfect, but uh, I think if we lined up a lot of women, put them next to their male equivalent.
Uh, this doesn't have to be like gender swap, it could just be your male equivalent.
I think a lot of women would be kind of mortified, be like, really?
That's my that's where I'm at.
I don't know.
Uh, and then Bunny Rabbit, thank you for the membership.
I appreciate it.
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Oh, I have to, okay, Discord.
I'm gonna post.
I think I mentioned this at the beginning.
If you can pull up the Discord, I'm gonna post the like scaredy cat quit.
I don't know, rage, not a rage quit, but I'm gonna post the BTS of that on the behind the scenes tab in our Discord.
Uh, do you have that pulled up?
Yeah, it's gonna be uh, let me hide this really quick.
So, yeah, I post, I'm gonna, I'm gonna post the pre-show rage quit that'll be posted uh later tonight, if not later tonight, tomorrow.
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So, we need to get into uh the questionnaire really quick.
Oops, we're not gonna linger too long on that, but let's see.
Actually, first, you know what?
We have a few more things we need to do for the questionnaire.
Uh, I wanted to do a quick react.
Can you tell me what is the next thing?
Uh, we're actually gonna skip the Muhammad Ali thing.
Um, we're gonna do Girl Reacts, Girl Reacts.
What is the girl reacts thing?
Oh, I see.
Okay, can you pull up the I think it's an Instagram post from Ryder?
Can you pull that up?
Yeah, uh, F11.
That's a pretty writing.
I like a tattoo like that, but not like that says that.
Yeah, yeah, okay.
I saw you posted this, and I was just curious since it's a dating podcast.
It was just so long though at the time.
No, it's okay.
BLM, Black Square, I totally get it.
I didn't post one.
A lot of girls were upset by that.
You know what?
But I had to, you know, stick to my values.
Not going to post Black Square.
If it means I don't get some ladies, I'm okay with it.
Anyways, would you date a police officer?
It just, I would if he has like good moral views.
Would you date my own moral views?
What if he has at least one incidence of police brutality?
What the fuck?
No.
That's a crazy question.
Yeah, that's funny.
That's a fucking no.
That's like if you asked me if I would date someone that was a white person, though.
Still, you it doesn't matter about, yeah.
You it's not just like of the color thing.
It's the fact of like, yeah, like, no, you're still beating them up wrongfully.
Like, if you got beat up, I would feel bad for you too.
Thank you.
Yeah.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Yeah.
But okay, so you would date a police officer.
Yeah, depending on if his morals go with mine, yeah.
Would you date Derek Chauvin?
Oh my God, I can't believe that.
I don't even know who that is.
I don't know who that is.
Like, there is a push to get Trump to give him a pardon.
Who is that?
Derek Chauvin.
Yeah, George Floyd with the that cop.
Yeah, no.
No.
These are some.
I don't know where these spicy questions are coming from, bro.
Very spicy.
Andrew's the Crucible is loving these questions.
They love it.
Yo, Crucible chat.
What's up?
They like it, right?
Andrew, tell me that.
Tell me your chat are enjoying that crazy questions, right?
Maybe not.
I don't know.
They just adore him, bro.
They adore him.
So would you?
I said, yeah, if his morals align with mine.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Derek Chauvin.
Oh, no.
No, I said no to that guy.
But a cop, yes.
Okay.
Would you date a police?
Police.
Police officer.
Hello?
Sorry, I can't speak English tonight.
Yes.
Yes.
Okay.
Heck yeah.
Yep.
My mom was a police officer, so probably not.
No, I would not.
It's just a really dangerous field.
Okay.
Absolutely.
Those uniforms are nice.
All right.
If there's any police officers watching who can deal with the bipolar ostracism stuff, you know, just message me.
I love police officers.
I just, you know, I've seen firsthand and I've had experience.
So all right.
Okay.
All right.
I feel like a lot of police officers out there have dodged a lot of bullets this evening.
Literally or hypothetically.
I'm not a bullet.
I'm a bazooka.
I'm a kid involved.
What the fuck?
Bazooka.
All right.
Oh, the next react.
Oh, you got some TikToks.
We got to react to her TikTok.
Sorry, guys.
We got some TikToks to do.
All right.
She posts some dating-related TikToks.
I do this.
Okay.
Number one, the internet is just the internet.
Like, it's not like my person.
I don't put my personal views all the time on the internet.
It's like rare.
It's for shits and giggles.
Hee-hee, ha-ha.
That's it.
But go ahead, run him back, and I can actually show you some pretty good ones.
Okay, pull it up.
All right, play.
Oh, my God.
Oh!
I'm never leaving.
Wait, just pause it.
I am never.
When he cooks me a meal, washes the dishes after, puts everything away, cleans his mess, does his own.
Wait, you read it.
You just read it.
Okay, does his own laundry, doesn't expect me to pay for anything, gets me tight tea every day, lets me boss him around, rubs my feet, my back, and won't let me go a day without getting my eight.
What are you there for?
Watch!
What?
Pull it up one more time.
Okay, what cooks you a meal, washes the dishes, puts everything away, cleans his mess, does his own laundry.
He has to pay for everything, gets you tea every day.
You get to boss him around.
He rubs your feet after you've been bartending for actually, I wasn't working.
He allowed me not to work.
Okay, thank you for clarifying that point.
But see, this was all his thing that he liked to do.
Every day he's got to eat the pussy.
Okay.
But he wanted to.
He would ask.
He would ask.
All of these things I would try to cook.
I would try to cook.
And I would cook some days and you would get down.
Just really, really quick.
Wait, just really quick.
Really quick.
Go ahead.
One second.
No, no, that's the ex I actually just broke up with.
One sec.
Okay, hold on.
No, man.
That's what I got to sleep.
And then, hold on.
I got to play my other noises.
Oh, bitch, all these rooms.
Okay, go ahead, Andrew.
Go ahead.
Yeah, you're not with him anymore, are you?
Yeah, no, no, no.
Like I'm saying, yeah, he didn't die tea and he fucking rubbed your feet and he did all the eats and he did all the shit you wanted here.
But he also didn't allow me to do anything for him.
Like he wanted me to be like that.
And you left.
Yeah.
And well, I left because I don't think you could respect a man like that.
I just, biologically, I don't think you could.
So hang on.
So to get this right, the nicest guy in the world, you fucking left him.
I left him because we were just amicable.
It was just a little bit more like shit, right?
No, I loved it.
I loved it.
I loved everything that he did for me, and I'm grateful.
And he was a good man.
And why did you leave him again?
It was like an amical thing.
Like, we were fighting because he truly felt like he wanted to make more money.
And I feel like how men feel like when they aren't, like, are not making money how they used to, especially when they're used to making a certain amount of money.
They start to tend to get a little mean.
And I'm a sensitive person.
Like, I don't like to be yelled at.
So when he kind of was yelling at me, I was like, you've never yelled at me before.
So maybe we're out of love.
Maybe we're out of touch.
And he just needed time.
I needed time.
And we kept like, it was just one of those things that I was like, you know what?
Nah.
So we just, like I'm saying, it's just the thing of like, he chose, he brought it up of the, like, do you think we need time to just be ourselves?
I could build my life.
And that was it.
Like, and I mean, great man.
He bought me a car.
He paid for my apartment.
Like, great man, great man.
Love him.
All respect to him and all power to him wherever he is with his life.
So he did all that and loved you.
No, like I'm saying, it's just like, I believe if you're fighting constantly in a relationship, there's just something there that it's just either resentment or uncertainty.
I'm not going and getting you Thai tea every day and doing all no, no, no, no, not necessarily that.
But like, okay.
It had to be something else besides it.
No, yeah, because he told me, well, it came out of his mouth and that's what he said.
So I'm going to take what his word is because that's what you're going to tell me.
Like, I respected it enough that I was like, okay, if that's what you say, so cool.
All right.
Like, do your business.
Go ahead.
Build your life, I guess.
Yeah.
So I think that's.
I think it's interesting.
Every single time I see these TikToks when women are like, my man does all the laundry and he does all the dishes.
He does all the housework and he sexually satisfies me and he's so great.
Next time, the very next time I talk to him, like, so you guys still together?
Nope.
I'm like, wow.
You're always ecstatic.
You were ecstatic in this video.
You're like, oh, my God, this is so great.
Not with him.
Yeah.
And that was like, I think I posted that in like 2021.
So like we were just getting together.
And like, and that's what I was saying.
Like, he didn't want me to lift a finger.
He truly believed, like, I'm a woman.
I'm dainty.
Yes, I can, I have to cook.
I have to clean.
But he truly found he liked cooking, cleaning.
He would always say it would calm him down.
So I was like, okay, if that's your way of calming down, like I'll let you.
Was he doing drugs?
No.
Oh.
Yeah.
I'm like, no, no, no.
I wasn't expecting that.
Okay.
I mean, that's really all I had on it.
It's just, it's just, I just find it ironic.
You know, like, I can't falsify it because there's like, there's no way to falsify.
But, you know, the claim that, no, no, no, it was different reasons other than this.
Yeah, but I mean, but ultimately, all I could do is draw a link between all of the various relationships where women are static because the man is a domesticated housewife, essentially.
And then the next time you talk to him, the relationship's over.
In fact, there was recently, on whatever, Candace.
Remember Candace, Brian?
Had her little like list?
She had her little like list.
You get pussy if you fucking take out the garbage twice a week or whatever it is.
Oh, chore play.
Chore play, yeah.
Yeah, chore play, yeah, chore play, yeah, yeah, yeah.
And what didn't, wasn't there a recent divorce announced there?
Uh, yeah, I'm pretty sure, aren't they divorcing or something?
Somebody, I got a bunch of DMs.
I got a bunch of DMs from people saying, yeah, they're getting divorced.
So, or he initially initiated the divorce.
I guess he initiated it.
I guess he was tired of having to take out three bags of trash for a blowjob.
I guess he was pretty tired of it.
Yeah, let's see here.
We have pull pull that same one up again, though, the TikTok, guys.
Like the video if you're enjoying the stream.
Like the video.
Pull it up.
Well, I had purple hair.
Damn.
You should have had purple hair tonight.
No, my hair doesn't grow no more, so I can't bleach it if I do that, you know.
Rips.
Damn, this is a lot, though.
Like, I gotta play the, I'm just gonna play it again.
Go ahead, go ahead.
No, man, that sounds like a lot of work.
Oh, bitch, all these rooms.
Would you, what if a guy didn't even do that ever, though?
The last part.
The last part?
He just didn't.
Just never.
But would he expect me to give him a blowjob?
Sure, why not?
Then, no, I wouldn't.
I wouldn't.
I'd be like, what if he didn't, though?
What if he was like, fine, whatever.
You don't have to do it, but I'm not doing it.
I'd be like, I guess.
It's not like a deal breaker.
If the motion in the ocean is great, then I guess.
That's fine.
Next.
Let's do the next TikTok.
We got two more.
Two more from her.
Oh, boy.
This one's even.
This one's a good one.
I think.
Maybe.
Which one?
Go to the videos tab for this one.
This is an angle.
Play.
Oh, my God.
I thought you were married.
What happened?
Would cheat on me.
Would spend $300 on porn every month.
Would steal from me.
Would use the money that he stole from me to go to Mexico and go buy Zans.
When he was in Mexico, he slept with his best friend, which was a man.
Oh, my God.
Beat the shit out of me.
Crashed two of my cars.
Would try to invite girls over to my house.
Would steal my underwear that was used and sell it online.
Avoided signing divorce papers.
Avoided signing divorce papers so much that he himself left me a note at the end of it saying that it was my fault because I got into a new relationship.
Wow.
Besides just like the daggers in my ears from all the sound effects.
You like that?
It was like yours.
It was good.
It was good.
It wasn't much.
But yeah.
Wow.
You've had a lot of interesting.
And I was only 18 at the time.
Whoa.
Yeah.
I was only 18 at the time.
And you had all that.
Wait, is that one dude?
No.
Or that's different dudes.
That's the.
Well, no, no, no.
This was.
Wait, that was all those things you listed.
That was one guy.
That was one guy.
That was one you were in, like the seven-year relationship with?
Yeah.
You stuck around that long.
Was he like your first person?
I never found out.
It was so manipulative because, number one, like, my parents were very like, you can't have social media, blah, blah, blah.
So I never really got social media.
And I never thought really to the thought of like, oh, I need to go through my.
Because like I'm saying, if I'm getting with someone, I'm going to trust them to the all ends and yeah, to the all ends and all deaths, you know?
So I'm going to trust him.
So the day I finally went through the phone after years, I was like, because I believe I'm not a phone going through, like, I guess, because I just, it's not my business.
Like, whatever's in your phone is in your phone.
Yeah, I wish I didn't, you know.
No, hang on.
How long were you with that guy?
Seven, seven years.
Okay.
And then the guy who did all the Thai tea and shit.
I met him right after.
Actually, when I was with him, he decided, my ex-husband decided to himself.
Yeah.
Wait, ex-husband?
Yeah, yeah, we were married.
Oh, okay.
Yeah, yeah, no, I get it.
I get it.
But the Thai, the guy who did all the fetching your tea and whatever the fuck you wanted and ate the pee and everything.
Yeah.
How long were you with that guy?
Yeah.
What about?
How long were you with that guy?
Since 2021.
So we just broke things off because we've been on and off for so long that we just broke things off.
And I was like, dude, live your life.
So, like, four and a half years, roughly?
Yeah, roughly.
Four years.
Yeah, yeah.
So you were with the guy who treated you like absolute shit for way longer than the guy who did everything you wanted?
Yeah, but it was also like, okay, I started dating him in high school.
And well, yeah, like high school.
And he was also two years older than me.
And yeah, so then, like I'm saying, if I date someone, I'm assuming they're a good person and I don't need to go through their phone because, and, and that's, this was what was crazy.
And that's where I kind of want to say, like, he kind of gave Christians like a bad name because he would always be like, the Lord made me cheat.
Like, and I'd be like, no, you went out there and you did it.
Like, you chose to do that.
There's no one in your ear telling you you need to be lustful towards a bunch of, like, to a bunch of women, let alone to something that isn't even like, so I just was like, you know what?
So then, uh, yeah, I tried leaving him, obviously.
And then I met the dude, the nice dude, you know, shout out to a real ex.
I met the nice dude, and then he didn't want to divorce me.
And I kept giving him papers.
Like, I would, you know, you have to pay someone to give your divorce papers because you can't serve them yourself.
And I swear to God, I want to say I spent like $800 in people just going to serve him papers and he would never do it.
And it was just like, if you treated me like this for so long, and it sucked too, because I was finally like making a name for myself.
And I kind of had like my own money, you know, like I just finished school.
So it was like, if something happens, like he could take me for 50% of whatever the hell I have because I'm working so hard now.
And he became a bum.
Not to say he did become a bum like afterwards, but he did.
Like, so it's like, I truly believe like you shouldn't do that.
Like, and whether you're a man or a female and you decide to do that, like, and you try to just take the easy way out and be like, well, I'm take 50%.
Like, I worked for that.
Like, I made sure I had that.
And you made sure you had that.
And we were, when we split up, it's not like I was like, oh, yeah, I want the car.
I want this.
I want that.
No, I literally was like, I just want you to leave me alone.
Like, that was all I. You didn't have shit to split up anyway.
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Exactly.
Yeah.
So that was it.
All right, let's see the last TikTok.
Thank you for sharing that.
Oh, yeah.
I'm going to overshare.
Open book.
Open book.
Let's do the next one.
And then video tab for this one.
I think maybe mute the audio on this one.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Because it's just music, right?
Yeah.
All right.
All right.
Go ahead and play.
What the fuck?
All right.
Me trying to figure out why I'm single, even though I'm pretty.
This is the girl.
This is my ex.
This is the one that never wanted to leave me alone.
Here, go back.
Go back.
Here, we're just going to have, but pause right here.
Read it.
I'm going to have you read the tweets.
It's text, but.
Or text.
Yeah, yeah.
Okay.
Remember.
You wrote this, right?
The blues you.
Yeah, the blue is me.
Yeah, yeah.
I was also 19 when I was sending these.
You're switched to window testing.
This is mean, and I shouldn't have been doing this.
But, but yeah, after that.
No, but just for now, just read it.
I hope when she serves you, she tastes me.
What the fuck?
Go ahead, play it gross, dude.
Next, or okay, hit play, then be prepared to pause.
Okay, read this.
I told you to calm down and let your fucking anger go because it's the fact that you fucked someone's whole couple months up with your bad mouth and you want them to be there for you.
You must be fucking crazy.
He went to my job, backstory.
He went to my job and he tried saying that I was on drugs and everything.
And I was just like, were you on drugs?
No, I was not.
I ended up having.
Yeah, but I was going into criminology.
So it was like, that's a bad rep. You were going to criminology.
Like, you definitely weren't doing drugs.
Yeah, like, come on.
Next.
Go ahead.
Okay.
Pause it again.
You knew the agreement.
Don't play.
Don't play me.
Talk to me when you're ready to stop wasting my time.
I'm done with your victim shit.
He was trying to say that.
You know, exactly.
Next.
Remember, you'll search for me in any girl you meet.
He would say that, though, because every time he would cheat, he'd be like, you're better.
But I'm not.
Read this.
I personally feel like nothing is ever going to work out and we're not good for each other.
And I just don't ever want to be with you.
Why did you post this?
Like, what was the benefit of this?
Would you ever be with the man now who spoke to you the way you were speaking to him?
No, but that's also like when you're 19 and 18, I feel like you hear so many crazy things.
And especially like if you've never been cheated on before, you don't know the type of like adrenaline is going in your body to just find that out.
Like, so I feel like, and especially if you've never been cheated on, you really can't speak on it because my body was trembling.
Like, I couldn't think about it.
And then, like, I said, was it literally shaking?
Yeah, yeah.
Okay, how they were saying the girl was.
I was probably 10 times more than that.
And then there wasn't even like you could lie and be like, I didn't cheat.
She's pregnant.
Why are she pressing my table?
Sorry, sorry.
But she was pregnant, so you couldn't even say follow-up question.
Would you ever speak to somebody?
Not follow-up.
Okay, all right.
Follow-up question.
Would I ever speak to somebody like that now?
No, never.
Okay.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Growth, growth, growth, growth.
Okay.
Do you want to ask it though?
Because that was.
I know what you're saying.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Here, we're going to move to Lydia.
Pull up Lydia's Instagram post.
Sorry.
I was only 19.
All right.
Let's go to videotapes.
I've never seen it.
Let's go ahead and later.
And I was not.
Let me tell you that that year.
I was looking to have an abortion.
How about Bernie?
I'm 34 right now.
My boyfriend is kind of out of the picture now, so I don't really have any support.
It's a four to five day procedure.
A needle is inserted through the abdomen and into the fetal heart.
Liding cane is injected, and that will completely numb the fetus.
After that, we inject a medication called digoxin and another medication called KCL, which will slow and then stop the fetal heartbeat.
And then we'll give you a medication called mesoprostal.
Mesoprostal will sort of induce contraction, will assist you in sort of pushing in the induction, and then remove all of the products of conception.
You're definitely going to feel discomfort and cramped.
It's crazy.
I've never heard it spread.
It's crazy.
We specialize in later trimester care.
Our doctor is very well versed in what he's doing and he's very good.
So I'm not like a rare situation.
Y'all help women this late in pregnancy all the time.
All the time.
I'm looking at that.
You can pause it.
The product is crazy.
They called the baby the product.
For the pro-choicers here, do you guys support late-term abortion?
Late term?
No.
No.
Unless it's something crazy, like the mom is going to die.
But in reality, I truly feel like that doesn't happen.
Wait, can you just scoot into the break?
Oh, sorry.
The procedure to save a woman's life in that late in pregnancy is a preterm delivery.
So they don't have to directly.
But see, then that's it.
Yeah, but I don't support late term.
Late turn, yeah, no, late term, no.
When do you think it should be legal?
I feel like as soon as you find out and right away.
What if you don't find out though?
Because there's cryptocurrency.
But if you don't find out until birth, like, right, you're giving birth.
Can you kill the baby as it's too late?
Yeah, it's too late.
Too late.
What's the actual thingy?
I'm not too versed on it, but I know that there's like, they say you shouldn't do it.
I know that there depends on a state.
A development state.
And yeah, it's like a couple, maybe like a couple months.
I'm not quite sure, but I just know that there was a certain 25 weeks, I believe.
It is that the fetus can live outside.
Oh, 21 weeks is when they can live outside the womb.
So wouldn't you say that that's when you think?
Probably before that, before it could, if it can live outside, then just have it, you know, like and then give it to adoption.
But it's, yeah, if it can live outside, just give it a life and then, you know, do that.
But if it can't, then, you know, it's early enough.
Wait, I have a question, Lydia.
Okay, so since you're like pro-like life and everything, do you like go to the foster homes and like help out?
Or like, do you go to like the kids that have been like born with like drugs, like drug abuse parents?
And like, do you like at least do that type of charity work together?
So I actually was pro-choice and became pro-life because of my foster sister because pro-choicers tell me that she's better off aborted.
And so I became pro-life in high school and realized that abortion is eliminating foster children instead of helping them.
And yeah, a lot of our pro-life laws actually work to fund and fix the foster care system, health pregnancy centers.
My pro-life law in North Carolina gave millions of dollars towards those things.
So we do care.
But for the record, abortion is the leading cause of death in the history of the world.
So it's my greatest focus in my work.
By the way, that's good work.
That's good work that you're doing.
And I wish you godspeed in continuing it because it's fucking monstrous.
Did they say 34 weeks?
34 weeks.
Yep.
That is just fucking evil.
So to chair one, though, I got to ask you a question.
Like, let's just say for a second she didn't.
Let's just say for a second she didn't support foster care.
She wasn't out feeding homeless children or doing any shit like that.
Why in the world would that matter, the idea of not being able to kill a 34-week?
No, no.
Obviously, the 34-I did say 34 is crazy.
34 was crazy.
Not be evil and not also support foster children because she doesn't have time.
Like, why would that even be a problem or a contradiction?
Because I think a lot of people, when they don't support abortion, I mean, when they don't support, when they support abortion or they don't support abortion, they're just kind of like, okay, well, that's still an unwanted child.
Like, so the child's going to feel unwanted wherever it's at.
And I mean, the foster home is like the first place that they go if they don't go to adoption.
And so that's why I think they should at least work out.
I just want to let you know that 100% of the babies in the United States put up for adoption are adopted.
There's 30 couples waiting to adopt for every newborn put up for adoption.
Yeah, that's one.
And the second is it still wouldn't be a contradiction in her worldview, even if she didn't.
Now, she said she did.
I'll take her at her word.
But even if she didn't, there's nothing contradictory about saying, hey, you're not allowed to merge 34 months.
Yeah, yeah, obviously.
I'm going to save babies because I don't want to go support foster kids.
Like, there's still no contradiction there.
I just want to point that out to you.
Absolutely.
Would you ask someone who's working to cure cancer why they haven't helped with diabetes yet?
It's just something that I focus on.
Yeah, but that's like stem cells and everything.
So like you can't.
Well, that's the whole thing is that I'm focused on one thing and I absolutely do care about other things, but I don't have to solve every world problem in order to know that killing babies is wrong.
When do you think focus on the problems you can solve?
Right.
When do you think that it should be legal to have an abortion?
At what stage?
What do you mean stage?
What stage of pregnancy?
What ages?
Well, I think just barely like before the first like seven weeks, 10 weeks.
Okay, so you're really legally pro.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So you're pro-I'm not a hater.
Yeah, yeah, no.
No, definitely.
Yeah.
You said you're.
No, no, no, no.
Girl, I'm super open.
But that's what I'm saying.
Like, 34, that's why I was like, 34 weeks is crazy.
That's like pretty much you're about to deliver.
Like, that's the thing.
Yeah, might as well just go through with it.
Like, you already did all the stretching.
So it was 30 weeks.
Yeah, so it's 30.
So it's 28 weeks.
Yeah, and so from the very moment of conception, 95% of biologists agree that it's a human life.
It meets all seven characteristics of life.
You do not have to be a Christian to know that killing babies is wrong.
It's a biological fact as well.
And so it doesn't matter what stage of development you are in.
It does not determine your value.
And no matter when an abortion is performed, that is still killing an innocent human being.
Can I add something?
First of all, if you squash an bald eagle egg, you get fined like what?
$250,000.
Yeah, there's an American score.
It's because they're endangered.
It's because they're in danger.
Well, someone's getting endangered.
That's very true.
You can go to prison.
So hang on, but what they're doing, though, she makes a valid point, right?
Because what they're doing is they're saying, well, wait, this isn't a bald eagle life yet.
Just the potential to be bald eagle life.
And since bald eagles are endangered, just the potential they will become bald eagles is enough for you to fit the crime of essentially murdering a bald eagle, right?
Yes.
I've actually got a point.
It's a good point.
I've never actually heard that argument.
That's pretty cool.
I've never heard of it.
Have you heard that one?
Oh, yeah.
I just literally posted it.
You didn't look on Instagram.
I just posted it like a couple days ago.
Sorry, I didn't know.
I don't care if I didn't know.
I didn't see it.
You're so cute.
I ever heard it.
Wow.
Yeah.
So when you go to prison, you can go to prison for destroying an eagle egg, but it is your right and freedom to kill an innocent child.
Another thing I would like to add is the argument people use against that is, oh, the egg is separate from the mother.
Well, it still needs the mother and the parent to survive.
And another thing is, you guys always, not you guys, people on the left typically bring up foster system as an abortion.
Should we just go shoot up orphanages?
I don't think that's right.
But honestly, like with the shooting, I don't think you should talk about shooting with everything because of the TOS.
Yeah, sorry.
I'm sorry.
But what I'm trying to say is, I have two adopted sisters and stuff.
Their life is no less valuable than mine because they were chosen not to be kept and stuff.
And the fact that people talk about choosing between an unborn child or a five-year-old or something, you're ignoring the fact that that unborn child has the potential to be that five-year-old.
It can change, it could cure cancer, probably kill the cure for cancer.
Yeah, that's a purpose from God.
The circumstances of your life do not determine your value.
And back to you, I'm curious.
You said you were pro-choice.
Would you now say that you're pro-life?
Honestly, I mean, pro-life to a point, an extent, just because I'm not going to open my book too much, but like with essay and stuff, you know, like I just personally believe like there's some things that just it's sick, obviously, but it just sucks.
Yeah.
But yeah, that's not that child's fault.
Yeah.
Can I ask you a quick question?
Yeah.
Would the world be a better or worse place if you had been aborted?
I don't think the world cares enough about me to maybe answer my question.
Yeah.
Would you be a better or a worse place if you're aborted, do you think?
Neutral.
So you say your life doesn't matter.
Not that it doesn't matter, but there's too many other things in the world going on for my own life.
I only matter to the people around me.
Yeah.
So raise your hand if you think that the world would be better or a better place if you had been aborted.
That alone should generally just end the argument, right?
But the thing is, is that it doesn't, which is insane to me.
Like just the very idea that none of the people who advocate on behalf of abortion think the world would be worse if they weren't in it.
I think that that's insanity, right?
You're eliminating the same potentiality that other people can make, impacts in a world on par with yours, which are good.
I want to address the argument you just brought up in the case of SA.
It's a terrible thing.
No pro-lifer ever wants a woman to get pregnant in the situation.
But abortion does not undo that trauma.
It may add more trauma because abortion itself is traumatic.
And if we're not even going to give the death penalty to the horrific person that committed this crime against her, why would we give the death penalty to an innocent child for the crimes of their father?
But then that goes back to I believe the death penalty for anybody that does SA.
But do you think the death penalty should be given to an innocent child for the crimes of their father?
No, but I believe it's the woman's choice regardlessly.
A choice to do what, though?
To if she wants to keep the baby or not.
Not just abort it.
That's what I'm saying.
Keep the baby.
44% of women regret their abortions.
Then, see, then I wish they would have thought a little bit more about it.
She's got the stats.
Yeah, yeah, I got the notes.
But that's what I'm saying.
I wish women would truly think about it because there's, I would like exactly, I think Abigail said it or someone said it, but there is some women that like try to joke about it and like try to be like, he, he, what?
Have you had an abortion?
No, I've actually actually never been pregnant either.
So.
Yeah, she never had an abortion.
Well, but I know people that have.
Yeah, yeah, I know.
No, I get it.
I understand that, right?
But don't you think that a lot of times women have abortions and then feel like there's no going back because they have to endlessly justify it for the rest of their lives.
Yeah, but see, that's exactly why.
If you are truly getting, you should literally stick it in your brain and be like, I have a baby inside me.
I have a baby inside me.
This is going to be a baby.
Will I do this to myself?
And if they are willing to sit there with themselves and be like, okay, I will do it.
I will take this.
Then I guess whatever empathy or whatever type of mood and whatever type of emotions they're feeling, I'm not here.
I'm not here to confuse someone else's emotions.
Hang on, hang on, hang on.
Last question I have for you.
Okay.
What would change your mind on this issue?
What thing could be said as an argument that if you heard it, right, would reconcile this in your brain so that it would settle the issue for you?
What would that be?
I think the biggest thing, and this is also something I do say too, women that have abortions usually cannot conceive a child the same way they did with the first one.
They usually tend to have problems, like complications.
Once you have an abortion, there is more risk to your next pregnancy.
You cannot answer my question.
What thing could I do?
This is the final question on this, and then I have to move on.
...which holds the belief that this is okay.
What is that thing?
And then if I refute that thing, will you change your mind on this issue?
Yeah, but I just can't think of a thing like that right now.
You can't think of a thing.
So you're holding on passionately to an issue.
No, no, no.
You don't even fucking know why.
You don't even know why.
No, I just know enough, like to the point where, I mean, like I'm saying, I don't, I'm not here to tell you, though, how you feel.
You don't hold the stance.
You have no idea.
I know, but exactly.
But like I'm saying, I'm not, I'm not a therapist.
I'm not someone to be like, oh my God, let me hear to convince you.
I'm not a therapist to know what I mean because it's just somebody else's views.
I'm not going to press.
If I could prove that it was a human being to you, would you become pro-life from the moment of conception?
Yeah, if my brain could register it.
Yeah, but.
Okay, every biology textbook says a human life begins at fertilization.
At fertilization, they meet all seven characteristics of life.
You have your own separate DNA.
Everything about you, your sex, hair color, eye color was determined at the moment of conception.
You were you and you were valuable and you are a human life that deserves equal human rights.
Okay.
Ours.
It's true.
Same thing with animals.
Oh, yeah.
Same thing with animals.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Absolutely.
Wait, do you agree with her?
I said, okay, yeah.
So you're pro-life now.
But so I still have different views on different situations.
But do you say you disagree with science then?
That it's not a human life.
There's a lot of science.
I guess I wouldn't say I disagree on it.
But biology is not a soft science.
Biology is a hard science.
I have the studies right now if you would like to look at them.
But you guys are going to waste more time trying to convince me than me trying to learn it on myself on my own.
But you did just say if this was the standard, then it would change your mind on abortion.
And then she just established that it was.
Yeah, and I said, oh, but what did I say?
What I said, I said, if you could, and run the clip back, I said, if you could actually, if my brain could process it right now, then yeah, I will change my mind in 2.3 seconds once you tell me.
But I'm not.
If you want to know the anti-women voting argument, the main one of rationality is that women will often hold to stances which are illogical based on emotion.
And this, pure emotion, pure fucking emotion.
No stance based in logic, reason.
You can't refute a stance based in non-rational, emotional thinking, right?
And this is why those, all those repeal the 19th, which, by the way, again, I'm saying I want to limit suffrage for everybody because I just think it's a bad idea that everybody votes in this is how I think that's stupid.
But when it comes to this with Chair One, like look at the rationality.
No rationality whatsoever.
Holding to a stance at a pure.
Yeah, but I hold it to the stance just because of the certain types of topics.
Like I told her, it's not like I'm over here, like, oh my God, you should do it at any age, at any given weeks, but that's it.
You don't have a rational reason why you hold the stance.
Tell me the rational reason you hold this stance.
What is it?
Because I believe it's my own body and I should have my own teeth.
It's not your body.
It's a baby's body that's being hurt and killed by it.
But it's inside of my body and it will not be pro-create.
It will not be creating without me.
So a child's dependency on their mother's body to survive is a death sentence.
No, it's not a death sentence.
Because a newborn baby also wrote that.
Then there are those women.
There's those women that have children and then they're mean as fuck and abusive to their children because they never want to be a person.
So they're better off to be mothers.
We're not forcing anyone to be mothers.
We just want to hold them accountable.
Yeah, but that's their decision.
Pro-choice means you could give your baby up for adoption.
You could get an abortion or you could keep it.
That's a choice.
Killing shouldn't be a choice, though.
There's three choices.
Yeah, it shouldn't be an option.
Just the baby specifics.
But it's the fact that it is.
And the only person that could really tell me something is Lydia because she's the only one out there in the government area being like, yeah, this is what I'm going to do.
So until you actually have that on your resume, Lydia.
I have a problem.
In the government area.
In the government-specific areas.
In the government area.
I understand that you're a very staunch anti-abortion advocate.
I have a hypothetical for you.
For me?
Yeah, for you.
Okay.
Which has been bothersome to me.
Okay.
I had to think about it for a long time because it was actually difficult for me to reconcile.
You believe life begins at conception, yeah?
Yeah.
Okay, so then in vitro fertilization clinic, all of those eggs have been fertilized, right?
Yep, absolutely.
So an in vitro fertilization clinic is on fire.
There's a two-year-old who's in there and he's crying and there's thousands of eggs next to him.
Would you save the thousands of eggs or would you grab the two-year-old if you could only choose one?
I don't think it changes the argument, and here's why.
In the Titanic, when it was sinking, they chose to save the women and children first, like we talked about earlier.
Does that mean that the men are worth less?
No, absolutely not.
But wait, there's a rationale behind that, which is based around social duty.
Valuation that you're talking about is equality in life after and before the effect of birth.
This is the argument for being pro-life from your stance.
So these fertilized eggs have as much ontological value as that two-year-old.
So justify how it would be that you would grab the two-year-old.
I don't know what I'd do in that situation, but I think if you had to.
I don't think at the end of the day, first of all, we have an emotional response to gravitate towards a screaming two-year-old who can feel pain, has conscious ability to experience what's happening.
Whereas the two-year-old can't feel pain, and he's not crying.
Yeah, that might be part of the consideration.
It still doesn't change the argument, though.
They're still equally valuable.
For instance, if I have my own two-year-old and there's a bunch of other two-year-olds that are not mine in the corner, I might be conflicted about who to save.
Doesn't change the argument that they're all equally valuable.
They're all equally living human beings.
Yeah, but I'm not disputing that within the worldview, they're all equally valuable.
The dispute comes in as to why the intuition would be for most people to go for the two-year-old instead of the eggs.
Why it would be that most people wouldn't cry over the fact.
Or, for instance, let me give you an example.
A nurse carelessly knocks over a bunch of fertilized eggs.
Did she just murder a ton of people?
Well, accidentally, but yes, those are, I mean, that's why the IVF industry is extremely problematic because they're creating all of these millions of babies in embryonic form and then freezing some of them, destroying a bunch of them, practicing eugenics on them by selecting the ones that are a certain sex or have certain genetic capabilities.
And that's why the IVF industry is problematic.
If a person, if they knocked over that tray of eggs, right, fertilized eggs and they all broke, would feel in any way the same conditional that they would if they just saw, for instance, like, I don't know, 100 two-year-olds get butchered in this right now.
Yeah, I mean, it probably wouldn't feel the same way because it doesn't have the same level of experiences.
You might feel different.
That's why we can't base the pro-life argument on emotion.
It's based on logic and facts and biology that says it's a human life in the womb.
That's true, but intuition also informs when you're talking about moral codes and when you're talking about the ideas of how people interpersonally relate with everything.
I think it's just because we're...
So if intuitively you're like, if you asked a person, almost any person this question, would you rather, if you had to choose, right, 102-year-olds get butchered in front of you, right, or...
or 1,000 inseminated eggs get dumped on the ground.
I think almost every human being you ask that question to is going to choose the eggs getting dumped on the ground, right?
Right, yeah.
So it seems to be counterintuitive a bit to the logic.
Now, I agree with you, by the way.
100% agree with you that you aren't logically consistent.
I'm just saying that in this, the intuition side is very difficult to logically reconcile.
Absolutely.
Yeah, no, I think it's because we're kind of hardwired to emotionally respond to a screaming toddler in the way that we do, where we can't see, we can't see a human in embryonic form to the same degree.
We can't see the emotion on their face.
It's harder to empathize with that, which is why abortion is so normalized partially because we can't see that baby.
And when people think it's genuinely a clump of cells, I mean, I, who was raised a Christian, had no idea that abortion was wrong for a while because society has just normalized it.
It's so easy to dehumanize them when we can't see them with our own eyes and we can't empathize as well with it.
So, I mean, I agree with you.
It's difficult.
But no, it doesn't change their value at the end of the day.
Can I add something?
I've heard that they're using like aborted babies' eggs for IVF.
Do you know if that's true?
Aborted babies.
What do you mean by that?
Aborted babies, like late-term abortions, and they're using their eggs for IVF.
I've just heard that randomly.
So they do a lot of different experiments on aborted babies' body parts, unfortunately.
It's disturbing.
I have not heard specifically of them somehow crazy.
Final thought goes to Abigail.
Go ahead.
And then I'm moving it on.
I do want to know, Andrew, if somebody used the argument that you just asked her to dispute your pro-life argument, how would you argue that question that you just well, no, that would be telling.
Oh, man, but I want to know.
Like, all Andrew Wilson's logical weapons are there for Andrew Wilson to deploy at the right time against the right person.
But I did feel that chair three, I felt like giving a little bit of, because there's nobody else to give any pushback.
I think it's fair to push people even that you agree with on their logical consistency and why they think the things that they think.
There was nobody else here to do it.
So unfortunately, it falls to me to do, right?
Even if I completely agree with the stance, right?
But I've heard tons of compelling pro-choice arguments that can be difficult to reconcile.
You know what I mean?
Like, well, there's a bunch I can get into, but definitely not going to give you, give away the Andrew Wilson logical weapons of mass destruction today.
Don't you think you should be helping educate people on how to debunk the pro-life pro-choice argument?
Of course.
So it's good to share your knowledge then, right?
I'm curious.
I want to hear how you say that.
It doesn't mean I'm going to share it with you.
The other thing is, like, I'm going to look it up.
I think you're doing a fantastic job, right?
And what you're doing.
And I mean, Godspeed to you.
100% support from us here at the Crucible to you, especially calling that, calling those people, exposing that so that people can see.
I've heard leftists say this isn't even a thing that happens.
There is no such thing as late-term abortion.
You're making it up.
Like, I've heard all of that shit.
So I think what you're doing the Lord's work here in this capacity, right?
But when you have nukes, you save them for the right moment to drop them where they're the most useful instead of somebody else taking them, messing them all up, and then the left is ready for them.
I just don't.
What was it?
A thousand embryo, or what was it?
A thousand.
You're talking about the burning IVF clinic analogy?
Yeah, it was a thousand.
Yeah, it's like, yeah, a thousand embryos.
Embryos.
Fertilized embryos.
Versus screaming two-year-olds.
Burning building.
All right, let's see what AI says to this, Andrew.
Uh-oh.
AI is usually pro-choice.
You got to look into this because somebody's going to hit you with that question.
hit me with what the question that he oh the burning ivf plant no No, I always just say that it doesn't matter who you choose to save.
They're still equally valuable.
Just like just because you saved the woman and children first on the Titanic.
You came back with intuition.
Your intuition everywhere.
It's logically consistent, but it's unintuitive to convince people.
But that still doesn't take, that still doesn't defeat the abortion, the pro-life stance.
No, I agree.
But somebody's going to ask.
It's not a defeater.
Listen, it's not a defeater.
But you have to understand when you're convinced, well, and you probably do know this.
When you're convincing people that, right?
Like, for instance, you were trying to have a logical, deductive argument based on induction and deductive reasoning with chair one, somebody who is passionately, emotionally attached to a position.
They respond to rhetoric, often over even logical consistency.
Nobody's refuting that you have a logically consistent stance.
You most certainly do, right?
But it's, are you convincing people through rhetoric who cannot be convinced through logic?
And this is a weapon deployed by the left often, rhetorically, which stays in the convincing category of people who don't either, A, have the capacity for logically inductive argumentation or deductive, or they're just passionate about it from an emotional stance.
It's like, that's the point of rhetoric.
So as Socrates pointed out rightfully, rhetoric is anything which convinces a person, whatever that is.
That's rhetoric.
And so I think it is a powerful rhetorical tool on their side, not a powerful logical one.
And I don't think it debunks you at all.
Yeah.
Yeah, absolutely.
All right.
We have some chats that I need to get to.
But you know what?
We're going to do the roast session in a bit, guys.
So we're going to bump the TTS down to 30.
So let's see here.
Yeah, we'll do the roast session, TTS down to 30.
What we do for the roast session, and then also just what I, you know, after a little heavier conversation about abortion.
Anybody want a popsicle?
Anybody?
Can we keep talking about abortion instead?
Anybody?
Okay.
I'm going to let this chat come through.
We got Glocktavius.
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Thank you.
Perfect.
Can you check the audio on the keyboard?
Perfect man for life.
Full?
Perfect man.
Huh?
No, on the keyboard at the very top, there's like, never mind.
Don't okay, that's word.
So going around the table, perfect man for life or perfect career for life?
Perfect man.
Perfect man. Man. Man. Man. Man. Man.
Okay.
All right.
Thank you, Glocktavius, for that.
Appreciate it.
We have Dalamar, ban abortions, ban birth control, 65 million dead Americans.
In the 40 years of Roe v. Wade, 98.7% were for convenience of having sex for fun.
Two generations were gutted on the altar of female choice.
All right, Dalamar, thank you for the message.
Really appreciate it.
And then I'll let our first roast come through, which is oh shit.
I forgot to change the TTS.
Hold on one sec.
I'm not a sorry.
I'll just read.
Brian, have you lost weight?
Ah, shit.
Here, let me, I'm going to fix it.
So, guys, TTS is being lowered to $30, $30, $29.99.
If you want to get a roast in, get it in.
We're going to be doing that.
We have a couple more things to get through, a couple reacts and whatnot.
There was something from Megan Kelly, which I thought was interesting.
Matt Walsh responded.
Andrew, I'm pretty sure you weighed in on this a little bit in your Piers Morgan appearance.
I know you usually have an out around this time, Andrew, but you have a few more minutes or do you have to more time?
Yeah, we're good, bro.
Oh, awesome.
Okay, perfect.
So here, let me let that one come through.
So, guys, just a reminder here, we're getting towards the tail end of our stream.
So, if you want, send in a roast.
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You can roast me.
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Oh, I feel like it's been a pretty good panel.
Like, there's, it's really, I mean, you should mostly just roast Brian, right?
That's probably true.
It's actually been a pretty good, engaging panel, I must say.
Yeah, you know, and it's been a while since I've been burrito bombarded, as I like to call it.
You know, it's been like half a year, six months since the last time they just leaned into me with some burrito meming.
So, but yeah, feel free to roast me.
Oh, let me let this one come through.
Okay, wait, is it not?
Oh, my goodness.
I guess I don't know how to operate my.
Oh, here's what happened.
I know why.
Okay, sorry.
Scuffed.
All right, it should go through this time.
Let's see here.
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Brian, have you lost weight?
Any strange things?
I need to, though.
I snuck in the studio and put hose and picking all the food.
That's a crime.
All right, we'll give you.
Sorry.
Go ahead.
If they send in the champagne pop, I will give the answer to the hypothetical.
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All right, beautiful.
Okay, so a few more notes here.
Let's see.
We did.
You know what?
Yeah, let's just go to the Megan Kelly thing.
I think that's interesting, and it's kind of related to the career versus family conversation we were having earlier.
Go ahead, pull that up.
Yes, yes, please.
We'll go video tab on it.
Guys, like the video and join the stream.
Oh, wait.
Is this it?
Yeah, just let's go ahead and play it.
Here's what's happening on the channel.
Pause it.
Pause it, pause it.
Go full screen.
It's that full screen, the far.
Yep.
All right, go ahead.
Young women, and I talk to young conservative women all the time about their lives and their goals and the things that they want.
And what's happening is they can't find men who are maybe more conservative.
Usually they're looking for somebody who is religious.
A lot of conservative women tend to be God-loving conservatives.
And they can't find a lot of young men who want to marry a working woman now.
This is an actual problem that's coming up on the right.
And to me, it's so sad because it's like, how do we get to the point where we're now telling young, conservative, amazing women that they're not attractive if they also work?
If they choose to, let's say, do what I'm doing and what you're doing and like get their voice out there.
But I'll stick with me just because I think conservatives listening to this will like the thought of another Megan Kelly voice up and coming.
Well, why wouldn't we want that?
Why would we take somebody who's talented in this field and really wants to make a difference and have the messaging to her be, you're really not that valuable unless you give it up and go into the home and only have a family and only raise a family.
And not only are we sending her that message, but young men are actually believing that.
They're actually believing it, especially on the right, because like the trad mom has gotten so popular.
And it's like, no, if we do that, we're not going to have any strong conservative or right-leaning women to provide a role model for younger conservative women who, and there's nothing to apologize for here, don't necessarily want to spend all their 20s and their 30s getting married and having kids or can't.
They just weren't able to meet somebody and definitely don't need to be shamed over it.
Another.
I think that was it, right?
Yeah.
Okay.
Reactions, reactions from the panel.
Agree, disagree.
Ooh, 50-50.
I agree to an extent.
But I think you can still work and be a voice and still have, be a mom, a present mom, for instance, at my organization.
We're full of women who are pro-life activists.
And many of our staffers who are moms bring their babies to go and table on college campuses to educate people.
And I mean, my staff likes to joke about how one day when I do have kids, I can bring my real-life baby model instead of my fetal models realm and talk about babies with my actual baby when I'm on college campuses.
So you can absolutely do both.
You can be a voice, a conservative voice, because I do think that's important.
And I do think we need, especially conservative, pro-life Christian women to be voices out there.
It's very important.
But no, I think you can still do both.
You can still be a mother and do that at the same time.
Pull that back up.
Go back to the other one, though.
Go F11.
My bad.
So we're going to read.
Scroll up.
I don't get this trad wife trend.
Why do men want to revert to the 1950s when women...
Okay, this is...
What is...
Okay.
Tab over to the next one.
Men aren't.
Didn't.
Wait, Matt Walsh responded to this.
What?
Tab over to the next one.
Okay, I'm going to read this from Matt Walsh, then we'll maybe do the video.
He says: the difference between the romantic interests of men and women could perhaps best be summarized this way: if you give a man a choice between an attractive, sweet, kind, feminine grocery store cashier who makes $13 an hour and wants nothing more than to become a mother one day, or a high-powered, ambitious, loud, rich corporate girl boss whose greatest dream is to be a CEO one day, most men will choose the former without hesitation.
If you give women the same choice, the mild-mannered scroll down, unambitious guy working a cash register or the highly paid corporate go-getter, you're going to have a lot more takers for the latter option.
Am I saying that most women are greedy gold diggers looking?
Wait, this is just from his video, isn't it?
Maybe we should just play his video.
Scroll down a little bit.
Scroll to the very bottom.
Okay.
No, no, no, don't, don't.
Let's go back to the video then.
Why don't we just play the video?
Yeah, and then F11.
By the way, Rachel ratioed both of those women on those posts.
Oh, nice.
Then go to the video tab and then hit play.
All right.
A man is not looking for a business partner.
He's not looking for someone to provide for him.
He wants a wife.
He wants a mother for his future children.
He wants a helpmate.
He wants a woman, not a man.
This is not a new phenomenon.
Megan calls this desire of young men a problem that is coming up on the right.
But it's not a problem and it's not coming up.
Kim Iverson responded in agreement with Megan and said that she, quote, doesn't get this trad wife trend.
But what she's calling a trend, or what Megan says is just coming up, is in fact the norm.
It's the way human society has been organized since the dawn of civilization.
A young man seeking a woman who will have his children and prioritize raising them and keeping a home is doing the same thing that billions of other young men have done since time immemorial.
This traditional approach is not some new fad invented by TikTok influencers, nor is it a far-right conspiracy.
It is the way of human civilization.
These young men, they want what their grandfathers wanted and what their grandfathers' grandfathers wanted and what their grandfathers' grandfathers grandfathers wanted and on and on through the ages.
The trend, the fad, the new thing, Megan, is feminism.
However, you feel about career women who find their value and purpose in the working world, there's no question that they are the ones doing something new.
Feminism sent women out of the home and into cubicles and boardrooms.
Feminism convinced many women to desire professional success over and above family and children.
And now feminists are angry that men were not reprogrammed along with them.
Okay?
Men don't want what feminism is selling.
You may think they should want it.
You may want them to want it, but they don't.
They look out and they see that ever since the rise of feminism, divorce rates have skyrocketed, birth rates have plummeted, 60 million babies are dead, and most people are, by every metric, much more miserable.
And they don't want that.
You cannot make them want it.
And getting angry at them for not wanting it is, first of all, fruitless, second, arrogant, third, unfair, and fourth, foolish.
He's so quick.
Because these young men that Megan is referring to have an innate desire to be providers.
That's why they are not especially interested in women who put their careers first.
They want to provide.
The desire to provide is a noble desire.
Even if many of these men will end up splitting the financial load with their wives in some way, still, the desire to provide is noble and it should be encouraged, not shamed.
It's not sad.
There's nothing sad here, Megan.
These young men are experiencing a deep ancient yearning, a yearning to leave home and find a wife and become one flesh, as the scripture says, and then to have children and carry on their bloodline, and then to go back out into the world on a mission to provide for their family, thereby fulfilling their destiny as men.
This desire is primal and timeless.
It is not a primal, timeless desire for a colleague or a business partner.
It is a desire for a wife, a woman he can provide for and fight for and conquer the world for.
And in return, in return, he wants a woman who will have his children and raise and love them and prioritize them above anything and show him appreciation and respect and affection.
That's what young men want.
That's what any man wants.
Almost every young man wants this until our feminist matriarchal society beats it out of him or convinces him that he can never have it.
He can never have the thing that his grandfather had and that his grandfather's grandfathers had and his grandfather's grandfathers had and on and on and on.
So if you want to know why so many young men are demoralized and depressed and broken, it's because for their whole lives they've been told that what they want down at the deepest level of their soul, they should not want and they cannot have.
Every man before them in history could have it, but not men.
We're too enlightened for that now.
The feminists took over and they know better.
They know better than our ancestors knew.
They know better than the combined wisdom of all human history.
Do we sell pizza?
That's the message that these young men here.
Yes, but I can after this.
You want to talk about sad, maybe?
That's sad.
Reactions.
I was so grateful.
I agree completely with him.
I agree with him.
Reactions.
I think he's allowed to, you know.
I agree with you.
He's allowed to say that.
What do you think?
Sorry, Lauren.
I thought the line was interesting where it's like every man is going to have the desire to provide and that's a great thing, but he'll have to end up sharing the financial responsibility with his wife in some cases.
And I think that's just a situation that sadly modern day people have to be prepared for.
So in that case, if you're, would you take the grocery store cashier that's making $13 an hour?
Would that be the amount of time and hours she has to work be a relevant use of time compared to when she could be taking care of your children, but she can't because she has to do both?
So I would prioritize in just all of tonight's conversation an educated woman that may have to work but still loves family and wants to spend time with her kids.
There's a balance for it all.
Yes.
Yeah.
Yeah, I agree with that.
I don't agree with it.
I don't think it's balanced at all.
I think, look, there's no good way to reconcile that if you can spend the most amount of time with your children, then you should.
Oh, how do you do that?
There's no way to reconcile it any other direction than that.
And the thing is, is that most people can and don't.
Instead, what they do is they prioritize themselves and then they do outsourcing to prioritize themselves.
They won't take material cuts.
They won't live a little smaller.
They won't have the not a luxury automobile.
They won't have the, you know, not Netflix, whatever it is within the budgetary confines in order to materially pursue something.
It's like, I don't really think it's a give and take, and I don't think it's about balance.
I think it's basically there's one way which is always correct, which is to prioritize towards the children, even if it's at the expense of the parents.
Yeah.
Totally.
But that's just Matt's example.
I think it deserves to be said.
So do you still want to be a boss, babe?
Not when it comes at the expense of my children, but I am perfectly happy having a career until I reach that point.
But I guess this all stems from when we were talking about the relationship status.
You were dating a guy for two years, and so there's a mismatch when it came to religion.
He was Mormon, you're not Mormon, mismatch there.
But I guess what seems to have led to the breakup really wasn't so much that.
It was he wanted kids.
He wanted to get married.
The timeline was different because if it was the Mormon thing, although look, to be charitable, maybe you fell more into your faith.
Maybe I shouldn't have presented that argument for you before you brought it up.
But you would have known he was Mormon right away, wouldn't you?
But you proceeded to date him for two years despite this.
So at least the way you presented it, it occurs to me that the primary thing was you wanted to boss babe it up.
He wanted to have family, kids, marriage quick.
Is that fair to say?
No, and I prefer to not use that scenario.
It's honestly just too complicated to talk about here.
Mostly a religious thing.
Okay.
What did you disagree with him on the religion?
I don't want to get into it.
Okay, sorry.
But I'm just confused.
Like, so you knew when you first met him he was Mormon, right?
If that's a deal breaker, why did you date him?
I think we both just thought each other could change.
I think he thought I could change.
I thought I could see change in him.
And ultimately, it didn't work out.
Well, change what?
Religion?
More religious compatibility.
I mean, I feel like maybe you could get somebody to like pick up after themselves, but to change their religion.
It's a common thing.
Christian girls will do missionary dating where they date a guy to try and convert him.
It's terrible.
It is very true.
Like if he's an atheist, or even just like different.
Like it is totally a thing.
Like I asked someone.
So Christian girls are like dating Muslims.
that's not gonna work like thinking that they're not like muslims just people that aren't as strong in their faith and And we women think that we can make it a little bit different.
Yeah, but Mormonism is like a different faith, isn't it?
You guys do recognize that that's terrible, yes.
Oh, yes.
What did you say?
You recognize that that's terrible.
Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah.
That's why.
Yeah, that's why I brought it up.
Okay.
That's okay.
Okay.
All right.
I just don't know about the whole boss babe thing.
Okay.
All right.
Well, I mean, I don't know.
Any other boss babes at the table?
I think I'm a boss babe.
A little bit.
A little bit.
I plan on working when I have kids.
Teeny bit.
Okay.
Boss babe shit.
All right, that's cool.
Was there another video?
There was.
No, I don't think.
Well, I mean, we could actually react to Andrew.
Do you have, Andrew?
Do you know if you have like a short one or two minute clip with your thing with Tommy Lauren?
I don't have one handy, no.
I would have sent one over if he had let me know.
Well, what essentially was maybe instead of watching the video, maybe we could do that next time.
What was your disagreement with Tommy?
I asked Tommy what social, what was the actual social duties that women had in society, which was on par with men's social duties.
And she said essentially nothing.
Tommy Lauren, essentially, her position was men want to do this, and the reward that they get is they get to see me happy.
Isn't that great?
Oh, yeah.
So we kind of talked about that earlier, I think.
Yeah.
Okay.
All right.
Well, then.
No, it did spin.
It did span into other things.
Right.
But yeah, I mean, that was the root of the argument.
Sure.
And the root, the root of most of these arguments when it comes to the social dynamics between men and women, is that for a long time, men have been getting the shit kicked out of them and society is being the expendable class of society.
And this has been under the guise of acting as though there was some authoritative patriarchy who instead was oppressing women.
The opposite has always been true that under men's authority, women thrive.
And so that's been the idea socially for a long time.
Sure.
And we've been able now to begin to take this inverted idea and reverse it to where it's actually supposed to be, which is like, no, it turns out men being in charge of fucking everything is a really, really good idea.
It's just a really good idea for society.
And when you look at all the numbers, all the stats, all the data, all of the various effects and outcomes, turns out that men are really good at this shit and women really aren't.
And that's it.
And there's not really good arguments against that.
And women have social privilege in society, which is needed because they have to reproduce the next generation, but they're fucking not.
And so why aren't they?
Right?
And do they have an obligation to?
And the answer for most women is that they don't.
That's a problem.
It's a problem.
It's canceled.
It's a problem.
Do you guys think that women are obligated to reproduce?
Sorry.
Most women.
It's not obligated to reproduce, but an obligation to move society towards reproduction.
I don't think they're obligated.
So I'm not saying this is a problem people get in their brains, right?
They think when you say women have a social obligation to reproduce, well, some of them can't reproduce.
It's like, well, yeah, we know some women can't reproduce.
Some men can't join the military.
Some men can't protect their own families because of disability.
We know that, right?
The case is, though, where do we want to move as a society?
We want to move towards a reproductive society.
So we want the society to glorify the mother and the family.
And everything else should just be noise.
Boss babes should not be glorified.
Working class women, it's no reason to glorify that.
What is to glorify there?
Yeah, I don't want the best and brightest women slaving away in a fucking cubicle.
I want them at home raising the next generation of the best and brightest kids.
Not outsourcing it to fucking consuela.
That's stupid.
Question: Would you take care of your daughter until she found a husband?
Would you so she didn't have to work, but she's looking for her husband full-time?
Yeah, I think that not only is that the uh was was the standard in society, but look at kids now.
You know, Zoomers, even millennials, were living at home longer and longer and longer and longer and longer until you know, 23, 24, 25.
Women, this is often the case.
And by the way, when men move out, they'll go get like a studio apartment, right?
And then litter it with beer cans and wrappers.
They don't give a shit, right?
Women don't do that.
They have female roommates.
They go out and move out with female roommates.
They mostly aren't even living alone that young, right?
So it always seems to be that they're under the domain of protection of men no matter what.
And so, yeah, if women, though, I don't think it's a good idea to prioritize them going to school for an elongated period of time.
That they should prioritize dating the right people, getting into the correct social groups, so that they can find and categorize husband and family first.
And the fact that that's even controversial to me is fucking crazy.
It's like it's so obvious.
All right.
Nope.
Sorry, God moved on.
To Frank Castle, thank you.
Don't let these come through.
Andrew can't put down on the Duncan's made me cry out laughing.
Good work with those idiots.
He's referencing Andrew was on Piers Morgan and had quite a spirited back and forth with some UK feminist lady.
Thank you for that.
We got Rachel.
Rachel Wilson donated $30.
Chair one and chair five are pretty good arguments against women voting.
Oh, we'd be better off letting spoons vote.
They have a higher IQ.
Is that actually Rachel?
I don't know.
Thank you.
Maybe Rachel Wilson.
I'm not sure.
We got Randy here.
I think he donated $30.
Could be.
Modern psychology is fake and disciple.
Another method to brainwash, grab money, through bills and useless degrees, and reduce reproduction.
Less common folk is good for elites, especially with more automation.
All right.
Thank you, Randy.
Appreciate the message.
We have Sons of Liberty here.
Sons of Liberty donating $3.99.
These podcasts teach me women are inherently non-virtuous.
Women's natural instincts are to be non-monogamous, desire casual sex and toxic behaviors in partners, and relish deleting their offspring.
I mean, to be fair to this panel, we got like two women who are virgins here, two who are married.
I'm married.
Somebody engaged or something.
Someone was.
I was engaged last time I was on.
Now I'm married.
Yeah.
Gotcha.
Okay.
We got two married women, and they're both, you got married.
I just assume all the women on this podcast are married.
Married at 19, married at 201.
So, I mean, yeah.
Congratulations to you all.
I mean, you have many, many children to assist with the reproduction crisis.
It may be.
Is anybody pregnant here?
Do we need to do a pregnancy test?
Oh, that'd be scary.
A little bit extra, but I do have to get it.
It was very nice to meet all of you.
Yeah, thank you.
I enjoyed the spirited back and forth with all of you.
Have a great night.
Thank you for tuning in, Andrew.
Appreciate it.
Hope you have a good night.
Have a good night, Andrew.
So, Mary, you can hit in the sources, hit Discord here.
Oh, that looks cool.
Yeah, we're going.
So, the Discord, hit the eyeball and then go to Center Zoom and hit the eyeball there.
And I'll hide it.
All right, guys.
So, if you want to get a roast in $29 TTS for the roasts, I'm going to let this one come through.
Ooh, okay, what the heck?
Dale Frank Castle 512 donated $30.
Chair one is definitely on drugs.
Andrew, I was surprised you took it pretty easy on the trans dodie after he called you stupid.
You definitely had a lot of ammo and were justified to do so.
I would suggest that he just tuned out, but he probably still heard it because he's probably still tuned hearing some of the stream or something.
What?
It was on Pierce Morgan.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, it was on Pierce Morgan.
No, no, none of us.
I was like, no, He was arguing with someone that was trans.
Guys, if you want $30 TTS, if you want to get a roast in, we have some notes we need to get through and a couple things.
Luckily, there's not too much here from the questionnaire.
But I do, let's see, why don't we just do a bit of notes before we do the questionnaire?
Natalie, you describe yourself as a high-value woman who's only going to date a high-value man.
Men have only treated me with the utmost respect and decency.
What is a high-value woman?
I think that's somebody that holds their, I mean, I don't know.
That's a good question.
I think it's somebody that holds their beliefs and upholds them.
So what they believe in, for me, that's my faith.
And so I'm going to try to honor God in all that I do and say and act.
And I try to do that to the best of my ability.
And so I hope to find that in a guy.
And I would say that that's the same for a high-value man.
I would want him to honor God and all of He says and all that He does as well.
Okay.
You said that being overly nice doesn't make you lovable.
It makes you disposable.
Yeah.
Do you mean like as a woman being overly nice?
I think that I kind of mean that in a sense of if a guy's like, hey, love taking on a date, will you drive to me?
And being like, yep, I'll hop in the car right there and I'll drive to you right away.
And it's like a lack of allowing the guy to pursue you.
You're being almost like overly nice.
Wait, if you drive to his place or to the date or whatever.
Let's say like your guy's like wanting to take you out on a first date.
Sure.
I would want for him to come and pick me up and do like the traditional date, right?
And show the effort there.
But if he's, you know, just sitting at his house and is texting me late at night and wanting me to come over and I'm overly nice and I just want to come over and see him.
And I think that that makes you not a high-value woman.
For a first date?
Or?
Yeah.
Like if he's like, hey, come over to my place and let's hang out.
I mean, you said you've.
Hold on.
You said you were a virgin, right?
I mean, you're not going over to the house at 11.
I'm saying that that's just like a small, like a small scenario.
But what about if he wants to meet you?
He wants to meet you at 7 p.m. at a restaurant to take you out to a nice dinner.
I'll be there.
No, but he says, meet me there.
That's okay.
Oh, that's okay.
Yeah.
Okay.
So it's okay.
I see.
That's totally okay.
I would totally make the effort.
Okay.
You said unjabbed or nothing.
I don't know if we can really get into that on YouTube too much, but okay, cool.
So if they got, is this just the COVID or is it all vaxxes?
No, that was just COVID.
Just COVID, okay.
After everything that's come out.
Fuck it up with the measles or some shit.
I don't know.
You said you love gender roles.
Men should lead, but they have to be worthy leaders.
You said you're saving intimacy for marriage.
Doesn't make you prude.
It means you here, we'll do.
Why don't we do splits on these?
Oops, my bad.
Hold on.
You said that doesn't make you prude.
It means you value your body, your future spouse, too much to give away pieces of yourself to people who aren't committed to you.
You said feminine energy is powerful.
You believe women were designed with strength that complement men, not compete with them.
You said you'll never date for fun or out of boredom if I can't see a future with someone.
Or, well, why would you waste their time or mine?
Intentional dating isn't boring.
It's just focused on the bigger picture in the hearts of men I'm engaging with.
You said feminism lied to you.
They told us we could have it all, but at what cost?
Working 70-hour weeks, being strong and independent, and putting off family until it's too late doesn't sound empowering.
It sounds miserable.
Modesty is hotter than you think.
Anyone can show skin, but covering up is a real flex.
It says I know my worth and I don't, or it says, well, yeah, this is what you're saying, not me.
It says, I know my worth.
I don't need attention to prove it.
There's something wildly attractive about leaving a little mystery.
If he's not leading you to God, he's leading you nowhere.
A man who doesn't prioritize his faith can't leave a family.
So what do you think about that?
She says, modesty is hotter than dressing like a strumpet.
She didn't say that, but that's my artistic adaptation.
Anyone can show any thoughts?
I would just say, love that for her.
Yeah.
Love that for her.
And that's it.
Yeah.
Love that for her.
Love that you think that way.
Cool.
Question.
I have a question for you.
If a guy, if a guy who you're dating was like, I don't like your nose piercings.
I would take him out.
If I was truly wanting to look, no argument.
First date, though.
How about that?
No argument.
I'd be like, he hasn't shown me enough that we're going to talk to him.
Okay, so no on the notes from Madeline, recently single.
Wait, six months?
Rebound?
Was there a rebound?
No rebounds?
Okay.
There's no guys in the picture right now?
No.
No, like Utah Frapoys?
No, they play lacrosse or football guy.
I don't know.
They play lacrosse in Utah.
You said a man without purpose structure and a track record of success isn't ready for a good woman.
Talking means nothing.
Results do.
I did say that.
You should put that on your real estate pitch.
A man's role is to protect and lead.
A woman's role is to enrich and facilitate.
Ooh.
Enrich.
Yep.
And facilitate.
Careers matter, but love and service to family matter more.
Okay.
You tracked what you are, so level up before expecting it in someone else.
You said soft femininity thrives with a disciplined, selfless man.
What is soft femininity?
I just think it's the ability to let go.
I think it's what a lot of women need in this generation is just an actually conservative, disciplined man who can show, like, I can take the reins.
I can handle all this responsibility.
And I am strong enough, mature enough, and disciplined enough to take that on.
And I just don't feel like women see that all the time.
And we would love to see it more.
You need a man to be your brain for you.
I get it.
Totally.
That's real.
Say that again.
It's real.
No, it's real.
Like when you walk into the airport, I don't even want to have to think about where I'm going.
Like, I would love for him to take the lead on that.
Going here.
Okay.
Sweet.
Let's see.
You said the government lies.
The Bible holds the truth.
Okay.
All right.
Dating sucks because women don't respect themselves.
Men take the easy option but want the hardest.
What do you mean by the?
I think it's exactly what you said about the attractiveness level of like, you know, some guy is willing to sleep with a girl under his leek but wants the hottest girl at the bar.
It's like men will always take the easy option.
And so the way to fix dating culture as a whole is for just women to uphold higher standards and just be a little bit harder.
I see.
I think if you just up even a few variables, it increases the average by a lot.
And so it's like, even if some of the general population is, the reason why dating is as bad as it is is because of modern culture and how people act now.
If everything Andrew talked about wanted to happen, that's what would need to happen first.
Yeah, you said fixing this generation starts with women having standards.
Men will rise to meet them.
Women having standards.
I feel like, I don't know, the standards are kind of pretty high from women.
If you want a traditional woman, that woman needs to uphold traditional standards.
You can't just put that.
Yeah, sure.
But are women trad?
No.
Oh, okay.
I mean, even you seem to have a bit of pushback on this career thing.
Yeah, I do.
Is that trad?
No, but I'm not fully trad.
Oh, okay.
I wouldn't say that.
Yeah, I mean, I think that's fair.
I think people aren't.
It's not like black or white on or off.
If a guy knew he could text a girl on Snapchat at 10 p.m. and say, what are you doing?
And she didn't respond or give that the time of day ever, people wouldn't do it.
But because it happens and because girls are down for that, then that brings the casualty into these relationships that ultimately makes dating suck.
It's a true point.
Yeah, it's true.
I agree.
I agree 100%.
I mean, I think the probably maybe the ultimate standard that some or most of the women here would maybe want to see is that if all women's, I don't know if it would be a boundary or whatever, but if all women's position was no sex till marriage, probably like increase the marriage rate a little bit.
Men would be dating more intense.
Oh, look at this.
It's the three-way.
Good job.
Is this the first time the three cam?
Hey, guys, we got a new camera.
Or not a new camera, a new scene.
Kind of cool.
Can you guys hear us okay?
Did anything in the audio change when we did?
Guys, it's every angle.
It's beautiful.
Good job, beautiful.
You're a legend.
Yeah, I think, I don't know.
If it was just, okay, if men want sex, they have to get married.
That would change a lot.
You don't think the divorce rate would be high, though, too?
Women that save themselves for marriage, actually, their divorce rates are much lower.
And I can show you the statistics if you'd like.
It is true.
Dang, dude, statistics are like literally everything.
I just had the person themselves.
You got a reminder.
That's what I mean.
Autism, what can I say?
Nice.
Okay, nice guys.
You said nice guys don't finish last.
Weak men do.
No girl actually doesn't want a nice guy.
Every girl on this table, I can guarantee, wants a nice guy.
Do they?
Yes, yes.
We want a man that's powerful but nice.
We want a man that could be kind.
I wouldn't say nice.
Yeah, kind.
Not that kind.
At the end of the day, it all means the same.
I don't want some random guy that's going to pull over and let a bunch of homeless people into my car because he's not.
Yeah, you don't want a weak man.
Yeah.
That's different than just being kind or nice.
And I should have used a different word, but the meaning is still there.
I think a lot of women, though, like if you get a girl flowers on the first date, I'm not saying all women are going to be find that, give them the ick, but there's definitely women out there who are like, he's doing too much.
I would go dust.
Some girls are like, ugh.
And I'm like, why are you making fun of a man for trying?
Yeah.
Like, why are you making fun of a man for trying?
That's like a possibility.
Yeah, like, that's so sweet.
Like, you had intention.
You went, you bought them out before you seen me.
I think it's because dating has become like this casual thing with like no purpose or intention mind.
People just like, oh, go on a chill date.
Like, oh my gosh, you got my flowers.
It's not that serious.
Free dates are the best for the top three dates.
Like, just do free dates or under $10 for like ice cream or something.
No, like, but I think getting flowers is like a great thing.
And I think it all stems from the fact that dating is done without a purpose now.
And if you're not dating until dating, if you're not dating for marriage, you're dating for heartbreak.
And that's the problem is people are just casually dating just for funsies and then they get shocked when someone actually cares about them and brings flowers to the first date.
Like, oh my gosh, a guy that actually cares about me and is serious about being with me.
This is thoughtful.
It's terrible.
Yeah, it's amazing.
I would go duster diving on a first date and that would stoke me.
Honestly, I'm so easy to please.
Noise.
Okay, we have, let's see here.
Okay, if you feel lost, you're distracted and lack purpose from God for your life.
That's what you said.
Feminism is lying to you about what will actually bring joy.
You're a boss, babe.
I know that my family is going to bring me more contentment than all of that.
Well, it doesn't mean nothing else can.
Fair enough.
Please.
You said you won't date someone with serious, you won't date someone with serious mental health issues.
If I work for a strong mind, I deserve the same.
I agree with you fully on this.
I've actually caught flack because I think I said, I've caught flack for two things.
I caught flack for, I said I wouldn't date somebody who's bipolar.
This was a long time ago.
Got a bunch of flack for it.
And then I also wouldn't date an ex drug addict.
Like somebody you used to be.
There's too many highs and lows.
Well, they could be clean for a couple years, but I just, it would be a preference, a very strong preference.
Not saying it's like, I wouldn't say it's a, if the person's fantastic, right?
It's not 100% a deal breaker, but like I'm leaning very strongly, like this is a sub-optimal situation to be dating somebody who used to be addicted to heroin.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
I think people can be redeemed and they can stay clean and sober for their entire lives.
But like if it's a choice between somebody who used to be addicted to heroin and somebody who never did heroin, I think like all things being equal, I'm picking the person.
The sobrest.
Why not the bipolar?
It doesn't do it.
Why not bipolar?
Yeah.
It's a lot to keep up with.
I'm just very minimally bipolar and stuff, and I feel like I'm pretty chill.
I mean, look, I think you have to look at the entire package.
You have to look at the totality of who somebody is.
But generally speaking, I think both men and women we're trying to get the best that we can get.
We're trying to get the most optimum partner we can get.
And if we're just being realistic, there are certain things that tend to, like, person could be great and attractive and all these things.
But then there could be like XYZ bullet points where it's like, ooh, okay, not ideal, not ideal, not ideal.
I think mental illness and specific mental illnesses tend to be like not ideal.
Would you not date someone with schizophrenia?
Probably not.
I mean, I know there's different severities to it, but that's a pretty severe.
Oh, no, I was just wondering because of family, whatever.
I want to be clear that you pick me up with a schizophrenic or something.
No, no, I'm not.
No, I don't think that's a good idea.
No, I just have a lot of beliefs on schizophrenia.
Like, if we treated it the same as transgenderism, then the world would be a terrible place because we would affirm their beliefs.
Like, if there is a person that is following you, there is a person following you.
You're right, babe.
That's a good point.
That's a good point.
No, that is true.
We did it.
Yeah, but I got blown up.
Some girl who used to be a drug addict made a TikTok about me.
Oh, dude.
She was like, oh my God, he wouldn't drate or drate.
What the fuck is that?
No, no, champagne.
Date.
Yeah, seriously.
I'm lightweight.
He wouldn't date somebody who used to do drugs.
I'm like, is that?
I don't feel like that that's crazy, like a crazy standard.
I don't think so.
I think that, like, it also too, it's like the worry in a sense if it's especially if it's like something like heroin, like chances are if they started using again, they might like you might come home and they could be passed away because like it, you know, when they do it when a long time ago, they have a tolerance, and then all of a sudden everything could be all peachy and then one thing and you're like, oh my gosh, what happened?
And it's so little, but it made a big thing because it's been so many years.
So I agree.
And also the thing is, is that, you know, look, I used to have an addiction.
To what?
Video games.
World of Warcraft.
Oh, okay.
Okay.
And the thing is, right, when it comes to addiction, if you're going through like a stressful period in your life, you could be.
I was clean from World of Warcraft for a decade.
I was clean.
And then I had a stressful period and I went back.
I relapsed.
I had a World of Warcraft relapse.
And that shit was crazy, son.
It was crazy.
Look.
Anyways.
Did it feel good when you played again?
Oh, my God.
It felt so good.
It was an escape.
It was an escape from my problems.
So it was like I was shooting up the World of Warcraft.
It was so good.
Random question.
You think men should have always put off corn of Warcraft.
Yeah, but like, but so just because somebody's been clean doesn't mean they're going to stay clean.
True, yeah.
What was your so you think men should stay away from corn and stuff because it's addictive?
Sure.
Okay.
I don't, I actually, I saw some study that it's that's kind of bogus, but uh, regardless of whether it's addictive or not, I don't think men watching porn is good.
No, I think there's like consumption where it's like, okay, he watches it like once a month.
Yeah.
I think that's less worrying than a guy who's like a coomer who's watching it like every single day for hours.
Yeah.
But ultimately, I think no porn or as minimal as possible is probably ideal.
I have that sense.
And like in a relationship, definitely, yeah, no, not watching porn.
You should save that for your girlfriend or wife or whatever.
So is that, was there a follow-up on that?
No, I was just wondering because you were talking about addiction and stuff, and I know that's a big one men this day and age tend to have.
Okay.
Yeah.
I mean, again, I would dispute that it's an actual addiction, but I think, let me ask the women here, would you guys do the following trade?
So I know a lot of women have an issue with men who watch adult content.
Would you guys give up social media and Instagram if men gave up porn?
Yes.
Or like, like in a relationship, or just if you're not in a relationship, you just give it away.
Let's just say in a relationship.
In a relationship, I would say yes.
However, they need to get out these certain philosophies that I have that I'm like scheduled to get out.
And as long as they can get them out, then cool.
But I just can't have these philosophies buried.
What the fuck?
There's just certain things that I need to say, and I need someone either to say it for me or I need to say it.
I love that for you.
Go off.
Yeah, no, I mean, I think the impact of social media on women is commensurate to the impact of porn on men.
In fact, I think it's worse.
I think social media for women is worse.
Absolutely.
It can be.
I do social media for a job, and I still agree with you.
Well, I think social media has been bad for everybody.
Yeah.
But I think there's a differential impact on women.
Females compare, I think, to like a lot.
And actually, reading a book, I recommend everyone should read it, The Anxious Generation.
And it talked about how social media is far more detrimental to women's mental health than it is to men's for many reasons.
Yeah, get off social media if you're a woman.
I did it like a year ago and so much happier.
Yeah.
And I think there's, I mean, it's, there's differences, but the impact on a relationship is definitely different just because I think some women get male validation through the social media.
Yeah, which isn't really so much a factor for most men.
Most men aren't going to social media to get validation from women, and most men can't get it.
But let's see here.
We have, I'm trying to see if there's anything else.
You said, but wait, hold on.
You said a bunch of dope, legendary-based shit, Madeline.
Is it you prefer Maddie or Madeline?
What about M-Dog?
That's how you M-Dogged?
M-Dog.
All right, M-Dog.
You said a trad wife isn't the only path to fulfilling family-focused life.
So when you say trad wife, are you saying career boss babe?
Or what do you mean?
When I'm saying like being a trad wife is the only way.
You're saying a trad wife isn't the only path to a fulfilling family-focused life.
So you're saying like a balance between career and family?
Yes, it's possible for sure.
I guess it's possible.
That's what I plan on doing.
I don't plan on quitting my full-time job working for social media.
What if your husband?
Wait, what's this?
He's been through this all day.
I don't know if it's private, but his name's Ethan.
Ethan, does he do social media?
Is he more public?
He hates that I'm a public figure.
He's got three followers on Instagram, right?
Or 200 or so.
He did have more, and then he was like, I hate this because he was getting, because I posted him too much and people were going after him.
I'm like, come on, I'm crazy.
Is Ethan watching this?
He might be.
He's probably asleep.
We're from North Carolina.
Yeah, I'm dying right now.
It's late for you.
Yeah.
Yo, Ethan, if you're watching this, you got your wife here, right?
I don't know.
What's he doing?
What's he doing for work?
He's a behavior technician, so he works with disabled children.
Are you the breadwinner?
No, we make actually about the same.
About the same?
Okay.
Yeah, but I mean, once your social media career blows up, I mean, you're going to be making like, you're going to.
No, I definitely, it's not, that's not why I'm doing this, though.
No, I plan on having he would have kids, like he wants to have kids.
He would have kids today if we wanted to, but no, he's like, no, I understand.
Um, because I travel so much and I have to have security with me because it's dangerous what I'm doing.
Um, it is dangerous, yeah.
Yeah, tomorrow I'm going to uh University of Southern California and they are planning on protesting me.
So, no, it's hard.
So, it's difficult.
Are you doing the speech or is it somebody else in?
It's me.
I do a speaking tour, so I'm speaking at Sacramento State on Wednesday, too.
Seems like anything planned.
All right, guys.
Wait, hold on.
We got to help her out.
If there's any USC, you said, Yeah.
All right, guys.
So, there's going to be protesters.
We need counter-protesters.
Andy, just come to bait me.
Like, I mean, we're going to be catching some.
Actually, I'm not going to tell him that, but moving to Abigail here, Abby G married at 19.
You said, to answer the last question, you have experience with two long-term relationships, one where you were masculine and egotistical, and your boyfriend was emotional.
Oh, I think we, these are old notes, right?
Yeah, they are.
We already covered it in your previous show then.
You said, I think, I don't know if you provided anything new.
Well, I don't even have Instagram, I'm going to be honest with you, Brian.
So, if anyone's ever, if anyone's ever talked to me on Instagram or anything else, you're actually talking to my husband, just so you know because he manages it.
He has, actually, yeah, I don't have my Instagram, but he does.
Wait, so he'll like send me screenshots and be like, What should I say to this?
Or he'll just respond.
But I don't have it.
Wait, did he post stuff on behalf of you?
His posts on my story, and that's it.
Wait, what?
I know your husband's like your social media manager.
Yeah, so funny.
He even does, like, when she does a post, he'll put the like the nail, the sparkling nail emoji or whatever.
I don't know.
What's that emoji?
The nail polish emoji.
Yeah, he does that too.
It's so funny.
He's funny.
Okay, Ryder, you said in your Instagram, it says you're divinely protected.
What does that mean?
Uh-oh.
It's just meaning like I'm protected, like, that's it.
By the divine?
No, just divinely.
Like, protected.
Yeah.
Like, through God, through Christ, whatever you want to do.
You want to believe it?
But with any, with anything.
You weren't really divinely protected, though.
On which Talk Talk?
That TikTok with the like.
Which one?
What's he?
And then he, like, hooked up with the dude.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Like.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
Where was the divine protection?
I mean, obviously, there was none right there, but that was also me just being a divine protection was.
What is that word?
I was just being a Bluvius.
And like, I just should have known.
Yeah.
Because then I definitely would not have spent that much time.
I love it.
Okay.
You said you got married at 19 for FAFSA.
Yeah.
Is that student loves?
Oh, yeah.
Wait.
No, that makes sense.
Because I remember when I got married, I was like, oh, yeah.
Yeah.
Because the only, the biggest reason, because I mean, number one, we were together for a while, anyways.
But he was the one that was kind of like, we should get married.
We should get married.
Especially because he didn't have parents.
Like, they both died when he was a young, like, a young age.
So he was like, basically, kind of like, I want to do this for you because this is the only way I know you could definitely go through school with me.
And I was like, okay.
I was like, I love you so much.
We're going to get married, didn't we?
Might as well do it now.
And yeah.
Did he have like some sort of father figure growing up?
Oh, no, no.
His mom died from like this crazy cancer when he was like six.
And then his dad died right after from like alcoholism and stuff.
Oh, wow.
So yeah, yeah, he was a foster kid.
So when we met in high school and everything, I was like, I was already, I was already in the trenches with you.
I got him.
I got the man.
Put it back.
Okay.
You said marriage isn't the main end goal.
You said women are more sexually advanced and addicted.
What do you mean by this?
Okay.
Wait, I didn't think I said marriage isn't the end.
While we still have Mary here at Mary, can you pull up the meme, that meme, the men's romance versus women's romance?
Is this what you're talking about?
I'm going to pull this up.
Let's see.
Women's romance.
I'm going to kill you.
Murder daddy.
Yeah, yeah.
Like the kink wing.
I'm going to love and take care of you all.
Is that?
Yeah, I just, okay, so like, actually in college, like when I took a seminar and everything for it, it was just like basically talking about like how like when you go through trauma, some people express it sexually.
And obviously women go through a little bit different trauma.
Yeah, but like they go through more trauma, you know, like obviously with like being sexualized and stuff like that.
Some is historical too.
Yeah, like the whole thing about the about the statues with the women and that one of their boobs are always like a different color because it's just those weird men that want to take a picture and think it's funny.
But it's like, it's a statue.
Yeah, but yeah, yeah.
But that's what I meant by that.
But going back onto like how Lydia said earlier, yeah, a lot of people are not dating.
There's different colored boobs.
I know what she's talking about so much.
I know what she's talking about.
There's different size actually.
No, because like the, they're touching them.
And it's like rubbing off the color.
On statues?
On women, yeah.
How?
Why are we talking about statues?
Wait, what?
I don't know why she brought it up.
What was it you said about women being like, because we were talking about being sexualized for so long, even like any type of women is going to be sexualized.
But what about, explain the statue thing.
Because men are.
It's not even a real man.
It's not even a real woman.
And a man's sister is a single person.
There's literally, I know exactly what you're talking about where the statue's like worn down or whatever and the order colour is different.
It's the same thing with bulge on statues.
Women do that.
It's literally the same.
I could find, yeah, I've seen photos.
I mean, but let's be like, I would touch the boobs.
You would grab some boobs too.
She grabbed the boobs.
Yeah, like, I feel like that's kind of like they just go by and you're like, I don't know.
I like an honest confession.
I think it's because like I like art.
So like, okay, like I wouldn't go and touch all of his stuff right now because I don't know what he paid for that.
I don't know how much he enjoys those.
It's very expensive.
Yeah, so I just feel like every statue you should respect just in general.
It's a landmark.
I think my point of view is just like it's just in public.
I don't know.
Just like statues.
I love statues.
They're very favorite thing to see in public statues.
Anyways, oh, I had Lydia's notes here, but we'll come to those when she's back from the bathroom.
Oh, she's scampering.
She's scampering back to the table here.
Oh, all good.
All good.
Oh, if you need, we have, next time you get up, we have some eye drops, I think.
You said you met your fiancé on Instagram in high school.
You had no idea you guys lived.
Who slid into whose DMs?
Oh, we actually met a group chat.
So this is going to be a nerdy.
Pro-life group chat.
So don't judge me, guys.
I was a nerd in high school.
And you know the TV show Survivor?
Yes.
We weren't on it.
But we would play the online version in high school.
And I met him because he was the only other Christian conservative type guy because it was a bunch of non.
And so we found out that we only lived like an hour apart near Charlotte.
And I was in high school at the time.
So my parents were like, this dude's definitely a kidnapper.
His parents also like kidnapped her.
And so we wanted to meet up.
And so we decided to meet up at a mall.
And my parents made me go with this other guy to like defend me from him.
And his parents were like waiting in the parking lot.
And thankfully, we weren't kidnappers.
And we ended up going to high school prom together.
And we found it.
Together ever since.
Yeah.
Okay.
Nice.
Good times.
Good times.
Mary, I think last thing here, can you do the bring it to Twitch?
Pull up the Twitch and then we'll go to the window and then just leave it there in F11.
Guys, go to twitch.tv/slash whatever.
Drop us a follow in the Prime sub if you have one.
Twitch.tv/slash whatever.
Drop us a follow in the Prime sub.
We have, let's see here.
It's been guys, I think it's bugged.
It's been like two hours since I think it's bugged, boys.
Two hours since we had a Prime.
Can you guys just check and see if you have a Prime sub available?
Do a little test.
Drop a little Prime sub in the chat.
Thank you guys.
Twitch.tv slash whatever.
Really appreciate your support over there.
Also drop us a follow.
Okay.
Let's see here.
You know, I'm going to let some roast come through.
I'm going to finish up with the notes.
Then we're going to hopefully get this wrapped here pretty soon.
So I have Lulu.
Oh, wait.
Lulu.
Uh-oh.
Lulu donated $30.
They're going to roast you guys.
One horse face what possessed you to wear the most cringe pants to ever exist.
Also, Brian, please stop inviting chair eight on the show.
She's extremely lame and boring.
What?
Abigail's a legend.
She's not lame and boring.
Do you want to talk some shit back to Lulu?
I'm extremely lame and boring.
I don't know.
I can see how someone would think that.
I try to be very careful with what I say.
I'm on the internet.
A lot of people are watching me.
So I can see how they'd come across lame and boring.
Do you have any special talents or anything?
You do a backflip.
That's pretty cool.
I'm going to tell you what backflip.
You can do a backflip.
Where did you learn that?
Okay.
Wow.
I also can do a backflip.
Lame and boring now is she.
Do you want to respond about the pants?
Do you want to share that?
Sam look fucked up.
Like, dude, it's a zebra.
Zebras are being endangered.
Where did you buy those?
Because I kind of get what?
Zebras are actually bipolar?
Wait, what?
What?
Yeah, zebras are bipolar.
Wait, what?
Yeah.
I didn't know that.
Zebras are bipolar.
Yeah.
That's why people don't really work with as much as they do with horses.
Yeah.
Wow.
Well, zebras are just like.
Wait, what's funny?
I actually don't get it.
What did she say?
Zebras are bipolar.
You're just really hilarious.
Maybe they changed their mood.
I was like, so quickly, like, what the fuck is that?
It's just a little bit.
I didn't know that.
You were like the new personage.
Yeah.
Where can I buy?
Like, do they make those in men's?
You know what?
I've actually went to a, I went to some like warehouse.
Like, I went to some like warehouse like sample sale.
Yeah.
And they had a lot of like boot cut like men's like cheetah pants and everything.
Oh, okay.
I was like, you know what?
Like, if a man is going to rock kit, go ahead.
I'm not here to tell you what I'm doing.
You know what I'm wearing.
If somebody sends in a I don't know if it's worth a champagne pop.
I will wear some zebra zebra sweatpants for a whole stream.
If somebody does fuck it, the champagne.
I won't even be able to see him.
Yeah.
I mean, wow.
I don't know.
He gets up pretty often.
I get him.
You'll be able to see him.
I'm wearing camouflage pants right now.
Okay, we have some more chats coming through.
We have Randy.
Randy donated $30.
Thank you, man.
Referencing the man milk segment earlier.
I had no idea you could milk a cat.
Oh, yeah.
You can milk anything with nipples.
I have nipples.
Oh, my God.
Could you milk me?
Meet the parents.
Great movie.
It's a Meet the Parents reference.
Thank you, Randy.
Appreciate it.
Let's see here.
Daniel McCoy donated $30.
Question for the app supporters.
Are you vegan?
If so, is it okay to terminate a cow's pregnancy so I can eat the bovine fetus?
If no, why?
The meat or the death of an animal clump of cells?
I'm actually in a vegan phase right now, but they only last like for so long, and then they last for like two, three weeks, and then I go back to eating meat, and then I cut out meat again and then go.
I go back and forth.
Why?
I don't know.
My body, I just do what it wants to do, like its desires, and I just, yeah, right now I'm not craving meat, but I probably will in like three weeks.
So it doesn't have to do with saving the animals.
No, it just, my body, if it wants it, I'll go for it.
And if it doesn't, then I won't.
Okay.
Well, the animals aren't equivalent to people.
Wow.
The TR8 panda donated $30.
Chair 8 not sure what you are looking at to your lower right, but chill.
Difference between cute and pretty is chair eight and two.
I challenge chair seven to find some to debate Andrew or Joseph Smith.
Oh wait, difference between cute and pretty is chair.
She was talking about what's the difference between cute earlier, that men say that they say Lauren, you're not a beautiful woman, but you're a cute woman, and I didn't know what that meant.
And now here's the pickle, you guys gotta determine which one of you is the cute one and which one of you is the pretty one.
Oh well yeah, oh yeah well yeah, what is he, did he?
I think it's just like.
I've heard that too.
I think it's like just a difference and like like a vibe.
A vibe like cute is more like oh fun playful, whereas like beautiful is like more like yeah, I would guess she's the pretty maybe.
I feel like she's more handsome than pretty pretty.
That's a compliment.
She looked good woman and I've never said that before.
You're very handsome, you're the most handsome woman.
I do not accept the human being she's rejecting the perhaps compliment.
Okay, all right, we got SONS OF Limber, sons OF oh my, I can't speak SONS OF Liberty, donated $29.99.
Thank you man, appreciate it.
There are exceptions, but the rule applies, seems from deduction based on a massive sample size, that women are naturally non-virtuous.
They hide it will be four, but today's women display it fully.
Uh, SONS OF Liberty.
Thank you man, appreciate it.
Realize that.
Thank you.
Thank you donated twenty nine dollars and ninety nine cents.
Thank you, man.
Zebra, close your legs.
Chair two, doesn't judge, but only if you're chat.
Chair three w, Abortion views.
El covered femitism.
Chair four, did you even talk this show?
Chair five, corn 304.
EL Mormon Biggie wants fit guy.
It's funny that with a 304, because I actually checked the time before I came here and I was like I was doing my makeup and then I looked at it it was 304.
Nice.
All right, we have Selena Gournes.
Selena Gournes donated thirty dollars, chair Seven, rated herself three point seven and maybe that's true, but her self-awareness and personality will make up for that in the long run.
Stick to your fitness and look into alt treatments for bipolar disorder.
I'm handling it pretty well and um, i'm gonna get rediagnosed, because it was kind of like a doctor suggestion, not an official diagnosis.
I think that rediagnosis should happen every like five years too, like because I I don't know who's right and who's wrong.
I mentioned i'm mentally ill, but people don't understand.
I wasn't diagnosed with autism until I was 18 and bipolar until I was 21.
So i've been hiding it pretty well and it also depends on who is in your life at that point.
If someone was sucking like bleeding you dry, and they were not one guy yeah, and and then there was maybe a lot of people you.
It also depends on who's diagnosing you.
Yeah, of course, Daniel Mccoy donated thirty dollars for those who support AB.
Are you vegan?
If so, is it okay to terminate a cow's pregnancy so I can eat the bovine fetus?
It's just a clump of cells right, Abby?
Stay base.
Oh, Abby, yeah.
Anybody?
Can I add something?
First of all, I'm completely against factory farming.
I think it's completely cruel, and I think killing an animal in the fetus just to eat it is wrong and stuff.
But I do understand that there is a difference between humans and animals and stuff.
I am an animal activist, even though I don't like pit bulls, so I'm going to get crashed for that.
But I think they deserve the best life possible.
What do you think about monkeys?
What do I think about what?
Monkeys.
Oh, primates.
I think animals should not be tested on for any treatments other than medical.
No, but what do you think about them as people?
Or not as they don't have.
The reason why humans are more valuable, obviously, from a religious perspective, is because we were made in the image of God.
But also, we have agents.
They have instinct.
Animals only act on instinct, whereas we have the ability to act based on morality and act above our instinct and make complex decisions and have a sense of creativity that animals don't have.
I think it's for real, though.
I don't know.
What's up with monkeys?
There's something about monkeys that bother me.
Really?
What kind of monkey is that kind of like us?
All monkeys bother me for some reason.
Really?
Well, because have you ever seen these?
They're kind of bullies.
The cats?
Have you ever seen these videos where they're like, and one, they're dangerous, some of them, a lot of them, but they'll like these tourist areas, they'll like steal your shit.
They're brown by little snakes.
They'll steal your shit.
They're really aggressive.
The chimps will kill you.
Really aggressive.
They'll play with you, too.
Some of these monkeys are and even some of the small ones, their teeth, they'll rip you up.
The baby monkeys have really sharp teeth?
No, like mona monkeys.
There's certain monkeys that like they're still small, but their teeth are in, and they got, they'll rip your flesh.
Monkeys have domestic.
They call orange ones.
They eat orange ones because there's this thing called Feast of the Monkeys in Thailand, and that's like on my bucket list.
And it's every year, and all these monkeys eat all this food that's just put out by the townspeople, and they're just raiding it.
And it's just, they're everywhere, and there's babies and Thailand's the best.
I went through the house.
But yeah, they do steal stuff, though.
The thievery is from the monkeys.
Yeah, they're just so smart.
It's almost intimidating.
And they do steal.
They just keep them as pets.
And I think that's stupid.
Oh, yeah.
No, there's warning signs.
Whenever I go to like Thailand or China, there's like warning signs inside of the buildings.
Like, keep the windows closed because they're going to come in and steal your stuff.
And the big ones will attack people.
We got a message here.
Selena.
Thank you, Selena.
Chair 8 might be boring, but she's the type of girl that most men want.
Great attitude and soft, feminine demeanor.
Not a roast, but I guess good panels are hard to roast.
Keep it up, Brick.
I appreciate that.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you, Selena Gournes.
Are we the best panel?
Is this the best panel?
I thought, I mean, it was it definitely leans a bit more conservative, which is how do I explain it?
Like, usually it's a bit more split.
They'll be like split conservatives.
Oh, I thought you intentionally set it up like this.
What's that?
I thought you set it up like this on purpose.
No, not really.
It was just kind of happenstance that happened to be.
But it's good to have like a, this is a little different than our normal show, just because it leans more conservative.
We had some other people that were, I mean, you're pretty much.
Well, I'd see you two are kind of more like left-leaning, I guess.
So we were, we had some flakes, so in a walk-off.
Chair eight years, do you, I bang Brian?
When he's talking, you stare at his lips and eyes.
It's weird.
She's looking at the beard.
She's admiring Charlotte, North Carolina.
She's actually there right next to me, right next to me.
There's just like computers and also I've been looking at your notes.
She's been looking at this Dr. Seuss book.
This is what she's been eyeballing, the better, the butter battle book.
In fact, here, can you read the first like three pages?
Doctor.
Oh, I've got you.
Okay, here, go ahead, read it.
Hold it up to the camera, like how, as if you're reading to children.
Do you want me to like read the my grandfather took me out to the wall?
Sorry.
Wall.
For a while, he stood silent.
Then finally he said, with a very sad shake of his very old head, as you know, on this side of the wall, we are yooks.
Is that what this is?
On the far other side of this wall lives the zooks.
Okay, I think that was sufficient.
That's what she said.
She's been really wanting.
I also have a Harry Potter book if you want to read something.
The Chamber of Secrets.
Yeah, that makes me so uncomfortable.
No, I am married and obsessed with my husband, and you're getting the wrong idea.
She's a good-looking husband.
Yeah, you saw my home screen.
You were like, yeah, he's also a model.
He's beautiful.
There you have it, folks.
The straight panda, chair eight, not sure what you keep staring at.
What the fuck?
Oh, this has been up the whole time.
It's definitely sus.
Chill.
Chair seven.
I challenge you to find someone to debate Andrew and Joseph Smith.
The difference between cute.
We read the colours.
Okay, I'm going to address this now.
I probably shouldn't, but I've been reading your notes because they're right here so that I can get a head start.
Sorry, but they are right there.
So unfair advantage.
Please leave me alone.
I'm obsessed with my husband.
It's weird.
All right, guys.
We have just a few more things to read.
Then we're going to get this wrapped up.
So, oops, sorry, guys.
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We have a message here from Selena.
Celine Legorn is donated $30.
No, not the best, but very good panel.
Don't look a gift horse in the mouth.
It's a gift horse, not a burrito.
This panel is diverse in thoughts and opinions, but not extreme in either direction.
It was a good panel.
It was a good panel.
Okay, let's finish up these notes here.
Lauren, your one note is, I think maybe you saw one of my tweets.
You said, what if the woman was nice her lifetime, but never got was considered pretty?
Is this in response to my lip filler tweet?
So you, I think you said something about like lip filler or plastic surgery.
And I just, I think I said, oh, it's if let's say the woman was just not considered pretty by like men and she just kept like, it kept failing.
Like she kept getting rejected or it just wasn't working.
So she was like, you know what?
I'm just going to give plastic surgery a whirl to see if it changes my fate.
And it did.
And people responded to her.
Like, I remember the first day I got lip filler and the first day I got plastic surgery, men were like all of a sudden giving me their phone numbers and like all of a sudden like holding doors open for me.
And I'm like, dang, like this is really weird.
And I remember, I remember I got plastic surgery again.
It was like a couple weeks later.
And I was only like 19 at that time, but I started early.
And I remember when I got it and then this guy like hit on me like this, some random guy, like another one.
I was like, damn.
And I said to myself in the car when I got back in, I had like my Starbucks or whatever.
I was like, damn, that's cold.
I was like, it's cold because if I went in there like three weeks ago, he wouldn't even notice me.
But because I did this, I was like, dang, like, that's hard.
Like, you know, and so, so, you know, I did it for several years and I tried to make everything look pretty natural.
There was a time I did go overboard though, and I look like an entirely different nationality.
So I had to actually get some stuff removed.
Do you feel like you're doing women who try to be natural a disservice by giving like an unrealistic standard?
So I just feel like I refuse to suffer.
Like I just, I'm over that period of my life.
And I hope that those women could be like, oh, like I understand.
Like, why does she keep having to struggle?
Like, if she's just trying to look like, just fit in, like, you know, I don't, I don't see anything wrong with it.
But I think, I think that plastic surgery, if somebody wants to get it, it's cool.
But obviously there's, we've all seen like, you know, they have like X boobs and, you know, and you wonder like, oh, can they travel on an airplane?
Is that safe?
But yeah.
Well, yeah, you know, they can explode if it's too big.
But yeah, I mean, I, that's real.
I just always wondered that.
Like, I was like, dang, like, what if the girl just wasn't considered attractive?
Like, what do you got?
Is she supposed to just die?
I was like, supposed to die out.
Yes.
No, but look, I mean, but for, I guess, for whatever, for what other reason would women get plastic surgery, but not to improve their physical appearance.
So that's, I mean, you don't get plastic surgery to look worse.
So well, there are some plastic surgeries that are kind of done for health benefits.
I haven't had a plastic surgery, but there is one I have.
I'm talking about cosmetic.
Like I think the context of the conversation would indicate like the, I'm not talking about like, you know, you've got some war injury and you need your face reconstructed.
Plastic surgery.
I'm talking about like, you know, lip fillers, tit, boob implants, BBL.
For me, it was, so what happened was, is I think that I like overworked when I was young.
And like I've totally, like, this will be like in my little novel I'm writing, whatever.
But I think I overworked.
And what happens is, is you start to lose like the collagen in your face.
And I literally, my, I work at, I worked at AIG for five years, but before I worked at McDonald's for five years.
And I remember my customers would really like me and they knew me since high school.
And I remember one who was a manager at AIG came through the drive-through and she was the one that discovered me and gave me my job there.
She came through and she's like, oh my gosh.
She was like, what's wrong?
And I said, I'm working three jobs and I'm tired.
And she said, honestly, I thought you were an old woman.
And she said, I'm being really, I'm not being mean.
She says, you need to get out of here.
You need to get out of three jobs.
I'm going to get you like one solid job and you're going to be okay.
Sure enough, I got out of there.
She got me a job and I took off after that.
And then I got my plastic surgery and then my life changed.
Mm-hmm.
Okay, so plastic surgery, you got more attention from the men.
I'm not going to actually even dispute that.
I'm sure that women, me personally, I mean, aesthetically, I don't find plastic surgery attractive in women.
If she has a small upper lip, prefer that over the lip filler, like the lip filler lip, it just looks weird.
She could have small boobs.
I'd prefer that over like perfect fake titties.
She could have no butt or a small butt.
I'd prefer that over a perfect BBL.
She could have like a little belly fat.
I'd prefer that over the lipo belly.
I think there's some uncanny value when it comes to the plastic surgery.
It doesn't quite look right.
I also think I would hope that women were, we were pushing instead of going through these expensive and often dangerous surgical procedures, we pushed women more towards accepting themselves as they are.
I think that could be healthier than both men and women do.
But I personally, just my own aesthetic taste, I don't find it, I don't think it looks good.
And then I also think on top of that, just aesthetically speaking, I think it can also be, tends to be proxy for some sort of mental illness.
So there's like some body dysmorphia.
Like, okay, if you're so dissatisfied, like let's say you have an A cup or a B cup, you're so dissatisfied with that that, and I understand it can be a point of insecurity for some women, and they feel like they might be more attractive to men if they had larger breasts.
But if it's like, okay, I'm gonna spend thousands of dollars and then go under anesthesia, which carries a risk of death with it, so my breasts so I can put plastic into my chest.
I think that that's like an indicator towards body dysmorphia and vanity.
And like me personally, I think most men, a lot of this stuff, I feel like women do some of that stuff.
One, yes, for men, but I almost think it's more so, especially the lip filler.
I think it's more so for women because I've spoken to a lot of men.
Most men, and this is, this was the tweet I wrote, I don't think lip filler looks good.
Like, I genuinely, like, big lips are nice and attractive, but not the lip filler lips.
I think it was my teeth were so big.
They were, I actually had braces twice and I had braces for 11 years.
And I also had got, had to get the, once they came off, everybody hated my smile and they're like, better not smile.
Like, I don't like it.
It looks creepy.
And so I ended up replacing, I took from my retirement and I replaced the entire top row of my teeth instead of getting a boob job.
And then everyone's like, wow, you have such a beautiful smile.
And I was like, wow, I'm finally complimented.
Jesus, like, took forever.
Yeah, sure.
I'm sure.
I don't dispute the fact that women who maybe got minimal or no attention from men, they get fake tits, they get their face done, they get the lip filler, maybe they change other things about them and then they start getting some more attention.
I'm sure that this happens.
I'm absolutely sure that this happens.
There's probably some cohort of men who do like the fake, fake breasts.
I'm not disputing this.
Me personally, and I do think this is the case for the majority of men.
I think the majority of men don't want women with plastic surgery.
And in addition to the aesthetic components, I just don't think that it tends to be an indicator.
Perhaps it's doing us a favor in some ways.
If I see a girl with like crazy lip filler and she's got Botox and she's got fake boobs, that's a red flag.
I'm like, I'm not, there's going to be a mismatch here in terms of, in terms of values.
And there's going to be something maybe materialistic about her.
There's going to be a degree of vanity that I don't find attractive.
And so to me, I just, I don't like it.
I've asked a bunch of men if they like the lip fillers.
They don't like it.
I think the lip filler thing, the closest thing that I could think of, and maybe the women can weigh in here.
You know, those crazy steroid bodybuilders?
Yeah.
I think they know a lot of women say, and I think it's different than lip filler.
It's not a perfect one-to-one comparison.
A lot of women say those insanely huge bodybuilders.
They're like, I don't find that attractive.
It's like gross.
But they do it.
They do it for the vanity.
Yeah, just to be like, who's good to see you?
But they do it anyways.
And despite women's stated displeasure with the super steroided guys, and I genuinely think, well, one, they're doing it for themselves, but they're kind of doing it for men.
Yeah, I think it's looking back.
So lip fillers like that.
Like, I think women, there's actually a study on this recently that came up, but we can't pull it up.
But women, I think, get lip filler for other women.
Because I think what's interesting is women's appraisal of what makes women or themselves beautiful is kind of different than men.
In the same way that men who are like aiming for the super, super like massive musculature.
I do think women are attracted to fit, strong, muscular men, but not, I don't think if you pull most of them, it's not going to be like that hyper like church and extremely carnal.
going to be more of like a very athletic build that I think they're going to find like the most attractive.
Yeah, I think looking back out of, I think, you know, I kind of, I actually do kind of agree in a sense where looking back, I look at the plastic surgery I got, I look at my situation, you know, everything.
And I just think, you know, it could just be, I, in summary, my book is going to talk about I could have just been in the wrong place with the wrong place.
What's the title of your book going to be?
The gentrification of me.
The gentrification of me.
So I absorbed different things from different places over my whole life and it became my personality.
And I was changed forever by whatever the culture.
There was a lot of Iraqi influence where we were from.
And I learned a lot.
They helped me.
And I worked, I was the only Latin native that worked with Iraqi.
I love the food and stuff.
And then there's also other Playboy, like everything influenced me, like McDonald's, AIG, all that.
But last thing.
Sure, last thing.
Last thing, yes.
So I think that I was at the right.
I do insummation looking back on my life.
I do believe some people, they aren't mentally ill, they aren't ugly, they aren't this, they aren't that.
They're born in the wrong area and they need to get the hell out after three.
If you're like 18 and you're having really bad experience, let's say you had bad experiences or just not so savory ones, the majority of those years, and then three more years go by, it's time to get out of Dodge and you need to go to a different place because perhaps, like you said, like men, like you, like, I feel like from in my town, it was very, maybe there was more attractive women than me out there.
So you just didn't get hit on.
I didn't at all.
And I, but other women, other, I was the friend girl.
I was the guy's friend.
I was the guy's friend.
But then they would always tell me, oh, your friend is so beautiful.
I was the ugly friend, like to, to them.
And so I, I literally was just like, I had, you know, yeah, I know.
And I, like, I had, can't believe it.
I had little things here and there.
But then once I, once the, I would say once like 18 hit, or I would say 19 to 21, that wasn't good years at all.
And so, or I would say even 18, but yeah, it was just, those were the toughest ones.
But once I got into Playboy and everything changed, cool.
But yeah, I think I was in the wrong place.
I should have been somewhere else.
And maybe people would have found me attractive somewhere else.
And I think you should have gone to Kenya.
Yeah, I mean, I could have, I could have.
And then maybe men would have found me attractive.
In Kenya.
But you had to be born in Oklahoma.
In Oklahoma.
Like, of course, it didn't.
Of course.
You know what?
We should have packed your bags, sent you to Nigeria, maybe.
Maybe I would have felt like Ethiopia.
Maybe Ghana is somewhere.
They would have loved you in Somalia.
Yeah.
But then, like, I.
These fucking American men.
The fuck.
I don't know.
Unacceptable.
I think it was just the grass was greener.
There probably was very beautiful.
Is there grass in Ethiopia?
I don't know.
Was there grass?
Sahara.
They know how to do landscapes.
Whatever.
Okay.
I got to move it on.
Okay, okay.
Thank you.
Thank you.
No, it's good.
It was good.
Thank you, Lauren.
Okay.
Haley.
Haley, you said you've been through two rough relationships.
Wait, did we cover this last time?
No, we didn't cover.
Yeah, we didn't cover any of my notes.
Two rough relationships.
One that got physical involved weed and alcohol while the other one, just the twists.
He used to twist scripture and using verses out of context to his benefit.
Proverbs 21, 19.
No, no.
That's my go-to.
I need to.
Lay down the law.
Proverbs 21, 19.
Better to live in a desert than with a quarrelsome and nagging wife.
The only Bible verse you have memorized?
I also know the one where it I don't recall the name of it, but it goes something like this.
It goes something like this: children, sons, excuse me, sons in the man's youth are like arrows in the hand of a warrior.
Nice.
I actually don't know the word.
How's the rest go?
Rich is the man whose quiver is full.
Or some shit.
Yeah, something like that.
Or some shit's also part of it.
I think.
I think it's there.
Which translation are you reading?
The Atlas.
New Kings Atlas.
I don't know.
All right.
But okay, so he threw scripture in your face.
You're currently in the most healthy relationship you've ever been in.
You couldn't thank God more.
You guys met on Christian Dating App, Christian Mingle?
No, upward.
Upward.
All right, these girls are both on it.
You said that you guys known each other for two years, August, together for two years.
In November, he's in the Air Force.
He's five and a half years.
Is he deployed?
No, he's not, but he was deployed.
So he was in.
Where's he station?
Right now he's in Fairfield, Travis Air Force.
So is it long distance?
Yes, because I am going to school in Fresno.
So it's like medium distance.
Okay.
Medium distance is funny.
Medium distance relationship.
You wouldn't have expected when you were younger, but he is your dream man.
He has all the qualities you have prayed for your whole life.
Okay, that's cool.
You said men initiating.
You understand the reasoning why men don't initiate as much as they did back then, but men don't even try at all anymore.
Yeah.
Does this resonate with any of the females here?
Men just men not initiating.
Yeah.
I feel like before I started dating, I was kind of just like waiting around for a man to even come up and like have a conversation with me about like, you know, if I was single or anything like that.
And I feel like that was never happening when I was single.
I don't know if you guys have had because of social media, honestly, that like guys can get what they want without having to go talk in person.
Like Snapchat.
I hate, as someone who works in a youth ministry at my church, I tell all my middle school girls, delete Snapchat.
It's bad news.
Guys are just on there to get pictures from girls.
I definitely know some guys that pursue, like even my brother, for example, he goes and asks girls out and for sure.
So I wouldn't say that.
And I also think that girls too, unfortunately, deny a lot of guys, also because of social media.
So I think it kind of goes both ways, unfortunately.
Like Abby said.
You said majority of women are very hypocritical, but them put themselves on a pedestal and think the world basically revolves around them.
Modern dating is horrible.
Women wanting all the things from men without even knowing what he would want in a perfect woman.
Yeah.
I think women are very hypocritical.
I think that they try and stand on values because they know that those values will take them somewhere positive.
But then they make decisions that are absolutely completely opposite of what they are advocating for.
So there's just a lot of hypocrisy.
So it's very frustrating.
You guys have me using the term bars all the time.
Bars.
Blessed is the man.
Wait.
The sons of man.
Wait, sons in a man's youth are like arrows in a warrior's hand.
Blessed is he whose quiver is.
Okay, fuck whatever.
I don't know.
What was the reference?
What was the reference?
Yeah, it was the actual verse.
Oh, Psalm 127.4.
Yeah.
Okay, we have, let's see, with Haley's thing.
I think you said, oh, you also think women have the most optionality when they stay virgins.
And as you get more bodies, the less options you will have.
Yeah.
Virgin or I'm not.
But I do agree that I think that.
Wait, are you waiting till marriage, though?
No, I am not.
Oh, okay.
Yeah.
Yeah.
He is your dream man.
He is my dream man.
Yes.
If he proposed to this day.
Yeah.
I would give everything for that man.
Okay.
All right.
Final notes here for Caitlin.
Caitlin.
Final person, anyways.
You said your first date ever was when you were 16.
His ex showed up and cuddled with him.
Yeah.
Oh my God.
I'm a little traumatic.
His ex showed up and cuddled with him, and he was so sweet, but also tried to cuddle with you.
You left.
This was your first date ever?
It was my very first date.
That's traumatic.
It was so traumatic.
What the heck?
It was awful.
Oh, girl.
Why did he do that?
He didn't invite her.
It was a double date.
So his friend invited her because he wanted to get the gang back together.
The gang.
What the heck?
There's a date.
It's a date.
No, I told him very clearly.
Hey, this is the first date.
It's a double date.
It's my very first date.
I'm so excited to meet with you.
And the guy just did not comprehend and thought I was going to skedaddle before it.
It was so weird.
I'm traumatized.
That does something.
You said you believe women need to be submissive and men need to man up and be masculine.
Abortion.
Oh, wait.
Okay.
Yeah.
Abortion was even the thing to bring into modern society and for us to thrive and needs to be eradicated.
Absolutely.
Okay.
You said you disagree with Brian on the artificial womb discussion and male promiscuity.
Okay.
We'll have to be quick on these, but let's start with the male promiscuity one.
What's the disagreement?
I believe you used to be kind of okay with male promiscuity.
I don't remember 100%.
I was watching some old episodes and I think you used to be.
You're anti-marriage, right?
You are, from what I understand, anti-promising.
Yeah, well, so I'll adjust the first thing.
So I don't think I've ever, I'm pretty sure, for the most part, I've been against male promiscuity.
I might have gotten it.
But mixed up with someone else.
But I think there's differences.
I think there's differences.
So.
Yeah.
I agree.
I'm not in favor of male promiscuity, but I do think it's there's a difference.
No, I agree.
Like it's any woman could be a slut.
Not every man can be a slut.
Yeah.
So it's kind of like if the man is a slut, it takes a bit of skill.
It does.
It takes a bit of skill for a lot of people.
It's a lot more skilled to hide, conceal those urges.
I think it's way more attractive if a guy is like, hey, I have these urges, but I held them back.
I have so much great control over myself.
Yeah.
And then I guess the other component is there, I think there's more of a, perhaps a biological urge for promiscuity in men.
Yeah.
I think society functions better monogamously.
But I think from like a biological level, just due to reproduction.
Like y'all can only get pregnant.
Like a man can have sleep with 10 different women, get them all pregnant per day.
Maybe not 10.
I mean, especially if he's in his 30s.
But a woman, you got nine months.
That's it.
So there's like an evolutionary thing.
Yeah.
Or biological.
Definitely.
But I don't think it's good for society.
And yeah, but let's switch to artificial.
Oh, well, anti-marriage.
Yes.
Not in favor of marriage.
You don't think I should be married?
No.
So I think for religious reasons, it's actually a great just, like, that's the only reason I can think of to get married.
i can't actually think if i'm open to hearing a compelling secular argument for why uh like a benefit in totality for why men should get married okay so in my church you get sealed in the temple and not only do you did you miss the part about secular but But go ahead.
Okay, sorry.
No, go ahead.
And what about your church?
You get to be sealed in the temple and be with them for eternity.
So, the benefit of doing a marriage past law and doing a temple marriage is you got to be with this person in heaven forever.
Wait, what happens if death do us part?
Yeah, no, I'll give you earthly.
Like, I'll be with you.
I can stand you for my earth life, but once it's heaven, I'm good.
Once we get to heaven, you're going to try to get it.
It was nice knowing you, right?
Because it was death till death pulls apart.
Yeah, in heaven, we're not going to.
Playing like, yeah in heaven, we're not going to recognize our how it spends.
Madison wives Maddie, Madeline.
Sorry, i'm sorry, Madeline Madeline is that French?
That's a French name I always fancy.
No, ce Trice, c'vre Montrice okay um, but you know you death, do us part.
No, there's no marriages in heaven.
I think you can't get married.
No, there's no marriage in heaven.
Sex in heaven?
No, I don't.
I mean, there's no sex in heaven.
Are we just like barbecue?
Nothing, there's no, we're just so savage.
They have earthly desires, earthly desires.
So is it like avatar in heaven?
Desires of just flesh?
You know an avatar where it's like the, the hairs connect.
Yeah no, there's just no marriage anymore.
It's just like we wouldn't, we won't care about that anymore, we'll be too happy.
I always felt like cloud surfing water, snowboarding in Utah.
I think I always.
You're more of a skier, though I feel like you're a skier, yeah, that's kind of an L, but I felt like snowboarding is just better.
Sorry.
If, let's say, nobody found their soulmate, I always had this weird Twilight Zone theory that.
Here we go, Lauren.
Tell us the story.
Oh, yeah.
I always had this weird Twilight Zone theory.
If you can't find your soulmate in your life, whoever the hell you're buried next to, I'm not saying, let's say you're buried alone.
The closest person to you, that's going to be like your soulmate.
I had this weird idea, but that was just an idea.
I believe God has everyone for someone and stuff, but it doesn't have to happen in this life.
Yeah.
Where's the scripture for that?
No, there's no scripture during a scriptural debate, but I will bring my father on and we can bring up scripture.
was just for my head wait wasn't like okay i'm not gonna linger on the mormon thing Didn't y'all find a book like somewhere in the streets?
Yes, it was the dead ghost scrolls.
Yeah.
The golden plates.
The golden plates.
Yes.
They're golden?
In the forest.
And there are plates?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Paper plates?
No, in golden paper.
In golden, just gold sheets.
Oh, like a tablet.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And the one.
And the one of the leader who wasn't Joseph Smith said, oh, this is true.
And then he realized what they were saying in the book, and he's like, wait, no, it's not true.
Take it back.
Are there aliens in Mormonism?
No.
I thought there were like aliens.
There's an alien religion.
Wait, what?
Where are the golden plates now?
They were removed by Moroni.
There is an alien religion, though.
And it was some.
It was in El Cajon.
And they had a spaceship and people would worship it.
Have you been abducted?
I don't know.
I think you've wait.
Have you been abducted?
I haven't been abducted.
Have you been probed?
Did they probe you?
I didn't even get probed, but I will say this.
Well, this will be in your book.
I have seen a.
Yeah, this will be in the book.
I had seen an U.
I genuinely suffered.
Did you go probe?
Really?
When?
I got abducted by an alien.
When?
Like, he doesn't.
Yeah, it's like COVID time.
He's like walking.
You know, it was like social distancing or whatever.
Did you flow up in the light?
Like, you know, they'd get there.
Yeah.
No, I got beamed up.
Dang.
Yeah, that was crazy.
Wow.
Yeah, the aliens, they spoke Spanish for some reason.
I don't know why.
I was like, whoa.
Yeah, it was really weird.
I don't speak Spanish.
So I was like, don't desta la biblioteca.
I don't know.
Anyways, okay, hold on.
Let's get off the alien.
Yeah, they taught me.
While they're probing me, they're telling me about the Bibliotheca.
El Bondegas en la Biblioteca?
Yes, I don't know what that means, but me falls in the library.
So, wait, really quick.
Anti-marriage.
Yeah, I can't.
Actually, you know what?
There's risks even to religious men.
I understand the traditional justification, though, for getting married because there's a religious compil.
There's a compelling.
I don't know what the fuck.
It's like under religion.
That's like what you got to kind of have to do, you know?
Commandment.
Yeah, I mean, no, honestly, I don't think that there's a super compelling non-religious reason to get married, except for, I mean, you are pro-family kids, right?
Yes.
Yeah, but you can have, you can, like, stay with somebody forever and have a family.
But why would you not want a like actual commitment to them?
Like, a commitment.
Yeah, but like, that's just, don't you, like, why wouldn't you get married?
Like, why not?
I remember an episode that Candace Owens came on here.
Oh, and she was speaking facts about how it just doesn't make sense outside of the religious.
It really doesn't.
Yeah.
At all.
Like, the only thing that makes sense is like when you get hurt and they're like, oh, the only person that's going to take care of you is your husband because they won't call your mom and dad.
They call your husband.
Well, I mean, your next of kin, which would be your parents, would have a medical authority in the case of your aunt.
But what if you don't have parents anymore?
God forbid, whatever age you.
Well, whoever your next of kin would be would then have, they would be able to make medical decisions for you.
But you could do a, I think it's called a advanced healthcare directive.
So you can authorize Madeline over there.
She could be my advanced healthcare directive.
And she could, if I got into coma, I'd be a little scared.
You know, she's like, she's not going to.
Hold up.
She's not going to keep me on life support.
She's going to be like, fuck this guy.
Dang it, M-Dog.
He can, you know, I'll give him three hours of life support and then it's done.
From your organ, it's done.
It'd be really nice.
But I just, I have, even for religious men, though, because all the negatives that I could list to you, which I won't just for the sake of time, all the negatives when it comes to divorce, these would equally apply to Christian men.
So, but for secular, I just don't see what the point is.
And then there's substantial risks even for Christian men to get married.
Or at least I shouldn't say, I mean, it's the breadwinner.
Whoever the breadwinner is.
But even what about a marriage not under the law, but under the Lord?
Well, I mean, then you got to be careful.
Certain states have common law marriage.
And then prenups get challenged.
They get thrown out.
They could be the one, you know, I signed this under duress, blah, blah, blah.
They can be challenged.
They are challenged.
And look, you know, look, just give me a compelling reason.
I can't give you a compelling reason.
I can tell you why I think marriage is bad.
Tell me why marriage is good.
So you can be with your person forever and your family.
But hold on.
I can be with my, I can stay with somebody.
I can meet somebody today and stay with them for the rest of my life.
But not if you're not still with them in the temple.
You can be with them for the rest of your life, but in heaven.
Right, but I'm waiting for not.
You can file jointly on taxes.
But that's great if you're a Mormon.
What if you're non-Mormon?
There's no secular argument to get behind marriage.
In fact, marriage is a religious sacrament.
So for someone to get married when they're not religious, there really is no point.
I mean, you can have the same, you can accomplish the same thing without marriage.
Yeah.
You can still have a wedding without being married.
Can have all the same things that you would have in a marriage without the actual.
Would you have a wedding but not get like officially married?
Like a celebration of like being together?
It sounds kind of, I don't know, you don't have to do like a whole white dress, everything's cool, but just like a big party.
It would be so funny.
Cry, and it'll be great.
I had a seafoot planned parenthood cake at my wedding.
It was great.
That was great.
It was fantastic.
I'll take her, like, I'll have like a Valentine's Day dinner with my girlfriend.
That is not a wedding.
That is not anything a Valentine's Day dinner compared to that.
Okay, but do you think you're going to find a girl that genuinely just doesn't just wants to chill and never get married?
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, okay.
Do you think she'll be a woman that's pure, if that makes sense?
Pure?
Yeah.
She's pure?
No, like a virgin.
Do you think you're going to meet a virgin who is they're secular virgins?
Okay.
Or do you think you'll find someone that aligns with your values?
Non-denominational Christian.
What?
Do you think you'll find someone that still aligns with your values, even though they don't want to get married?
Or do you think it'll be more difficult?
What do you mean?
Like their libs?
Like their libtard?
Like their shit lib?
Like they don't, they are fine without getting married, but they have opposite morals or viewpoints than you.
No?
No.
I'm not too worried about it.
Okay.
Yeah.
I mean, it's probably like more realistic that somebody who does want to get married could lean.
But I mean, there's like feminist liberal women who want to get married too.
That's true.
Yeah.
So, I mean.
I was just curious if like the feminist liberal, if that would be a deal breaker.
Yeah.
Feminist.
Yeah.
Like, I mean.
Yeah, sure.
I mean, I wouldn't.
If they were like pleasant, but still liberal but didn't want to get married.
Would you like a mind virus?
Yeah, I mean, I think, well, one, I think people have been brainwashed and propagandized.
So there's some degree of like, can you undo some of that stuff?
But typically, I don't think I want to do the work to like deprogram some like pink-haired feminist lady.
That's fair.
That's fair.
Yeah.
Probably not my ideal.
But yeah, I don't know.
Marriage, have I heard?
I don't know if I've heard a compelling become a Christian.
Or I could just, I don't know.
I want like seven kids and stuff.
Do you actually?
I might have to come.
Really?
I gave you.
Look, I gave you the Bible verse, right?
What is it?
Psalms, whatever.
137?
Psalms 127.4.
You know?
Yeah, I want three sons at least.
So if she pumps out seven daughters, gotta go three more.
Keep going.
We keep going until I get three sons.
I need three sons, okay?
I used to want 20 kids.
Been there.
20 kids?
Yeah, I legit used to want 20 kids.
Solid three is good.
That's like basically for you for 20 years.
I know.
I like did the math and I was like, wait a minute.
I don't know about this.
I need three sons.
we can keep going after three but as long as you get three sons you're satisfied i need three sons because you got you gotta i want to have the brother dynamic But if one of them is a fuck up, which I'm going to do my best to make sure they're not a fuck up, there's got to be a backup.
But what if all of them are fucked?
You know what?
That's a scary thought.
Or what if they've got some, like, fucked up, you know, some, like.
What?
I know exactly.
Oh, I know what you're talking about.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Are you making a eugenics argument?
No, I would.
I'm not saying, I'm just saying, like, what if your kid is a little special?
Retarded.
I would still love him.
But you might want to ask if I could have a son who is a bad person.
Is that really a bad thought?
Like, I'd rather not have it.
Isn't that like terrible for the marriage, also?
Like, I've heard horror stories about it.
No, it is.
It really is.
Statistically, for instance, families with Down syndrome, statistically, families who have a child with Down syndrome are happier.
Well, so my dumbest is not a problem.
Wait, families with one child with a family.
People with Down syndrome, they tend to have a very positive outlook.
Yeah, so nice.
So it's kind of, it's a little bit more.
And just like DNA.
Well, if that's the case, then shouldn't we be breeding more?
Shouldn't we be breeding towards that?
No, because our society.
I would actually date somebody with Down syndrome.
You've talked about this.
I don't know if I'd stay with her forever, but just as a novelty.
No, like it's a serious thing.
Like they really do.
Like they're such happy people.
And it's so sad.
Like we've, and like places like Iceland, they've completed, completely eradicated Down syndrome by aborting every single baby.
I get it.
But like if I have sons, they need to be able to go to war with me.
Why is war your goal?
No, what I'm saying is, I'm not saying like, I want to go to a war.
So when you get dragged when I say war, I'm using it in like an artistic sense of like, we need to be, I need to be able to go to war with my sons in like a live life fully together.
What's the you want to be able to relate to them in that way?
And they're the term masculine, like kind of bond.
No, no, no, but like I need to be able to go to war, not literally, but figuratively.
Yeah.
I just think it's different when you do have a child.
Although, to be fair, Down syndrome, they're pretty strong physically.
So I think that they have that.
She knows what I'm talking about.
Yeah.
Have you seen the peanut butter falcon?
Oh, yeah.
I've seen that movie.
Yeah, you know what?
I might be convinced.
You know what?
Fine.
I won't be that upset if.
I knew like two families that had guys, it's jokes at the end of the show.
It's just jokes.
Well, I knew a family that had two a kid with Down syndrome, and then one adopted a one with Down syndrome, and they were doing just fine.
They were actually Mormon.
One of them couples was Mormon.
But yeah, I mean, it was cool.
And the kid went to our school.
But is that a bad thing to say?
Like, I hope my kids aren't.
I think it would be another child.
No, I think that's a.
You would be concerned about their future in a sense.
You're like, oh, my goodness.
Like, I think if I had a child, if I were a child and for some reason and they did have Down syndrome, I would be concerned, like, oh, my goodness, what's going to happen if I'm not here anymore?
Who's going to take care of them?
Do I have to get them a nursing home set up?
Are they going to treat them right at this nursing home?
That would be my concerns for quality of life.
Quality of life.
Quality of life.
And then, and it's like, I would still love them, but I would want the best care.
And also, if I couldn't take care of them the way that they needed to, I would need to get them a nursing home.
I wouldn't want to abandon them.
I would have to get them a nursing home that they could be treated and then I could go visit because I can't.
What if they had a diaper or something?
I couldn't pick them up or something.
Who knows?
And yeah, big, big thoughts about just to move things along here.
You said the artificial womb thing.
We'll touch on it for one or two minutes.
It's just dehumanizing motherhood.
I just think it's dehumanizing to motherhood.
Actually, I have a question about artificial wombs for the two pro-choicers.
Artificial wombs dismantle the my body, my choice argument, right?
If we could successfully create artificial wombs and just take the baby out and put it in the womb instead, would you be supportive of that and abortion?
I'm going to be so honest.
My brain is kind of clucking out because I'm getting a little sleepy.
But I do think I feel like there are still going to be Artificial wombs are a little crazy.
That is all crazy.
I think all science like that is crazy.
It's so crazy.
It's science.
I love that thing.
Yeah.
So here I'll have a little back and forth with you, really quick on the artificial womb thing.
So, I mean, look, my position isn't we make a mass transfer, all women who are pregnant.
All women, despite them wanting to complete a pregnancy, we use an artificial womb.
I'm saying this would, my argument for the artificial womb has always been this would be a compromise between pro-choice pro-life.
So, okay, you can save the life, but the woman can end the pregnancy.
So, you transfer it to the artificial womb.
I know it's not ideal, probably not the ideal for both sides, but it would be the compromise, and it would honestly put this whole thing to rest.
I do think it's better than abortion, but also I don't think it holds women accountable and they're not able to bond with that child because a lot of women might be like, oh, I'm going to get an abortion, and then they get pregnant and they grow the child, and they're like, Holy crap, I'm going to be a mother.
Yeah, but I mean, women also.
Are you against adoption?
I have two adopted sisters now.
Yeah, but so wouldn't that same argument apply to adoption?
Right, but like if there's adoption is a last resort, but like with artificial wombs, like when a woman is pregnant, there's an exchange of cells between her and the baby, and that's very important.
I mean, the baby does bond, like you said, with the mother during pregnancy.
That's optimal for them so that when they're born, they're able to have that really beneficial experience and that bonding.
So, I think it's really, I mean, I'd like to see more studies into it.
And I do think the artificial womb thing does dismantle the pro-choice argument to an extent.
There are pro-choicers that don't care, think that you should be able to kill, even though it's a human for other reasons, like Destiny's argument.
But no, I think it is an interesting thing that I like to bring up because it does.
I mean, how about this assuming that it would, in terms of its health, its mental health, and its bodily health, if the artificial womb was able to meet the exact same health standards as a natural pregnancy or whatever, what are the objections there, I guess?
I don't particularly have any objections other than the fact that it could go really wrong.
Oh, sure.
Yeah, there's like dystopian, like really crazy things where they're like humans are being grown in like labs and stuff.
And women aren't needed anymore.
We're just going to, you know.
Yeah, those are concerns, but I think like if you're looking at it in a vacuum, like it is an interesting potential solution to the would you support any abortion if artificial wombs were a thing?
Well, I think if artificial wombs were things that would be great, but I mean, the person who got pregnant would still be in a different body than the artificial womb unless they could transfer over that baby to the artificial womb.
That's what the argument is.
Oh, wait, wait, wait.
So I never heard about that.
So they can transfer.
Not yet, but they're working on it.
I mean, I would say, yeah, I think if the woman wants to do that, if there's no, would there be like health, like, like, like, could you be like, oh my gosh, well, there's like the surgery and you could possibly die like in it.
If they couldn't, if there was like zero chance, I would, I would question the person in a sense room, like, oh, like, huh, like, you couldn't transfer the baby to the artificial womb when there is no health risks at all.
Like, I would be curious of why they would terminate it.
That that's what some, I'd be concerned about that.
And I'd be like, why would you do that if there's no risk to you?
But you would still think it should be legal to abort the baby when there's an alternative to just put them in an artificial womb.
Oh, sorry.
I do apologize just for the sake of time.
I know it's getting late.
I do have to move things on just to get this wrapped up here pretty soon.
I'm going to let these chats come through.
Yeah, thank you, man.
Charity is based.
Love seeing her on.
Thank you, man.
She's definitely beautiful, modest, self-aware, combats feminists.
She's probably one of the exceptions.
Also, wise with her words, forever on the internet.
One quick response.
I really appreciate that.
Thank you.
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Sure.
Looks natural, and people who do it look undeniably prettier.
Yeah, that's actually a good point because I've seen some, you know, I think maybe surgery 10 years ago, 20 years ago wasn't as advanced or as good.
So I've definitely seen videos of these transformations and it depends what they do.
But some of these plastic surgeries are actually now very convincing.
And they don't actually, many times, they don't really look like they've had plastic surgery.
They're very good.
So I suppose in terms of aesthetically, if it doesn't look bad, then sure, you can make an aesthetic argument that they look better.
And I think this is the case for like nose jobs.
I've definitely, you know, I got a big nose shit.
I got to get me one of those.
But I've like nose job.
What's interesting about that is that for nose jobs, I mean, there can be botched nose jobs, but a nose job, typically it'll match what could have been or what another nose looks like.
So to me, that tends to have quite a big impact.
And it's actually remarkable what even just like a nose job can do.
But what do I think about it?
I mean, I'm still kind of there's like a deception component because it's like, okay, if you're going to have kids with them and they're actually not, that's not what they look like.
And then there's still like, there's still the vanity component.
So like aesthetically, yes, they could be more physically attractive, but they're still, okay, the vanity component.
Do they have body dysmorphia?
That typically gets tied into like some other mental illnesses.
That's going to be an issue.
There's a financial issue of like, okay, are they going to look to me as the provider to like pay for their future plastic surgeries, their revisions, their, you know, when they're 40, 50, whatever they want me to pay for that shit.
Do I want to pay for it?
Probably not.
So those are some components.
Not really super in favor of plastic surgery, but yeah, some of that stuff's super convincing.
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I'm a man, and I don't personally know any other men who prefer makeup or plastic surgery over a woman's natural look.
I think most of us are on Team Brickson, hashtag natural body supremacist.
I'm a natural body supremacist.
Thank you.
Appreciate it.
Speaking of which, big labia matter.
Okay.
All right.
We have this one from Justin.
Justin Martin's donated $30.
Burrito.
Can't think of a good roast, so I'll just say burrito so it's stuck in your head now, as per usual.
Good day, Brian.
Yo, Justin, thank you so much, man.
Really appreciate it.
One of the last things we do before the end of the show, we have everybody take off their makeup.
Oh, my God.
Oh, perfect.
This is actually going to sit down.
M-Dog.
M-Dog.
Oh, my God.
I'll take off my lake.
I have like, wait, can I get a like?
Can I get like the compact mirror to make sure that none of this goes online?
Just look at yourself here.
No, right here.
Look in the thing.
All right.
While we're doing that, do you guys think going around the table, do you think men who care about body count are insecure?
Not insecure.
Not insecure, but I mean, I don't even ask that question anymore.
Go ahead.
No, I don't think they are.
Sorry, ask the question again.
Do men who care about body count, are they insecure?
It depends.
Okay.
Oh.
No.
No.
Are you going to take off the makeup?
I think it's kind of stupid, but.
Why?
Why is it stupid?
I just think the premise of it is stupid.
I'm not going to give myself without makeup, too.
Yeah.
Oh, then no problem, right?
Do it.
I have no idea.
Lydia?
I have to film videos after that.
After this, that's it.
Oh, you're filming something after this?
I have to leave early in the morning for a tour stop, and I don't want to redo my makeup after this.
True.
I have no eyebrows.
Well, Madeline, you don't have a tour stop, so do you want to do it?
Oh, I'm good.
She's good.
All right.
Based on housewife.
Wait, so okay.
Let's see here.
Oh, body count?
Are men insecure if they care about a woman's body count?
No, absolutely not.
Okay.
Nope.
Sweet.
Going around the table, what's your body count?
Starting with Lauren?
1,000 and like, probably like 300 or something.
Like, Bonnie Blue and like Lily Phillips.
And I'm in the Thousands Club.
About that much.
Okay, that's cool.
Body count?
I'm at four.
I'm at four.
Four?
Yeah.
Because casual sex doesn't benefit women.
So it's just my personal opinion.
I mean, I don't hate.
You a fucking liar.
You're a fucking liar.
Four.
I believe it.
Okay, sure, sure.
Fine.
I believe it.
Three.
Okay.
One.
Zero.
It's a single digit.
You want to do a range?
Like five to five to nine.
Okay.
Zero.
One.
Cool.
Oh, wait.
Hold on.
Multiply it by three, and that's the real number.
Whatever you guys say.
Four?
Yeah.
And the two I would dated.
Wait, question for M-Dog.
M-Dog, are you waiting until marriage for your next guy?
Yeah.
I was an atheist for a portion of my life.
Okay.
Oh, I see.
Yeah.
But now I really see the value in that.
And God has definitely redeemed my past.
And I'm grateful for the things that I believe in now and the faith that I hold.
I see.
Okay.
All right.
Yeah.
That felt so good, honestly.
It did.
Wait, can you hold up the makeup wipe to the end?
Oh, yeah.
See, it's only eyeliner.
I do not wear foundation because I believe that your skin is just your skin.
Like, pimple.
Who cares?
All right.
Sweet.
Okay.
Sweet.
We did that.
Did the makeup rock and roll.
There's just like two or three things on here that we're going to do.
Then we're going to wrap.
What would you want the minimum yearly income to be for your future husband?
Actually, I don't even know if there's any interesting answers here.
You know what?
I'm going to skip that one because there's nothing interesting.
I don't even think the height one, there's no interesting things.
We'll do the bear, though.
Would you cross paths with a ram?
Would you rather, excuse me, cross paths with a random man or a random bear?
Well, the question said that it was on a hike.
On a hike.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And honestly, the forest holds like the most unsolved mysteries of the murders just because it's so big and anything could happen.
And not to be like, yeah, Gabby Petito.
But like, there's just certain men that are out there that are a little evil.
And I'm not saying all men are evil, but there's certain men that just have weird, you know.
And I hate to say it, but a bear.
What do you think about you?
Absolutely a bear.
Wait.
Sorry, I do not want to run into a bear.
Okay, so you'd rather run into a man?
Yes.
Okay.
Lydia?
Yeah, I'd run into it.
I'd rather run into a man.
Man, for sure.
I'd rather run into a bear, but if it was between a bull and a man, I'd pick a man because I'm scared of bulls.
Because bulls will, I've seen some scary videos.
Okay.
I've taken a nap with a bull, not gonna lie, best sleep of my life.
What was the question again?
Man or bear?
So I choose.
So last time I chose bear, and I actually have a little bit of a story.
I was riding around on campus on my electric scooter, and I actually saw a wild raccoon and got very frightened.
So I changed my man to, I changed my answer to man because I think I would be much more terrified being around a wild bear.
Okay, what about you?
I've tried to pet a bear.
My sister had to lock me in the car.
Autism, woo.
But I would choose bear, but if it was a group of men, I would choose men.
Simply because a bear cannot hurt me in the same way a man can.
I see.
And then the chat's going to, okay, Abigail, your answer.
Man, 100%.
You were a bear.
You were a bear.
Would you rather then I made the same mistake she is.
Okay, all right.
All right.
So wait, let's see.
Well, that's a good point because I don't know this whole like, oh, they'd rather come across a bear over a man.
I don't know.
I've like, have y'all seen a spider?
It was a wild bear.
How freaked out for a spider.
Okay, so I watched Faces of Death because like my, well, my mom was in the police department and they had to watch this movie called Faces of Death.
So my mom had us watch it, me and my sister.
And the bear just whacked the guy's head off and it was real.
But the thing is, it was so quick and pain.
Like it was probably painful, but it was just so quick that, you know, if a bear got me, that would probably happen.
Wait, can you repeat the following?
It was called Faces of Death.
Repeat, repeat this.
This one time at Band Camp?
Yeah.
This one time we watched.
No, no, no.
Say like you're enthusiastic.
This one time?
At band camp?
This one time we watched this movie.
Oh, no, don't.
Oh, at band camp.
Okay, this is one time.
This one time?
At band camp?
We watched this movie?
American Pie?
American Pie.
Yeah.
All right.
Wait, so going to you, let's see here.
Caitlin, you said bear.
Why?
I asked my dad this because I honestly could not choose simply because a man can hurt me in the exact man can hurt me worse than a bear can in a pair of paper.
Yeah, sure.
No, like what they could do to me.
Yeah, they could essay.
Yes, that's way more terrifying than me having scars and bloodiness and stuff.
But if it was a group of men, I would trust that the other men would protect me.
That's why I would choose a group of men.
So you're doing a risk assessment.
What's the percentage risk of a man, a random man, doing that?
Oh, absolutely.
Very low.
I know that.
I know it's just to be clear.
So, okay, you wouldn't risk that, that low risk over what I think many people would say is like a higher risk of a bear attacking you.
Actually, bears don't attack often.
You just yell at them and they kind of run away.
I don't think that's really clear.
It depends on the bear.
It depends on the bear because they say polar bears are crazy.
So in California, this was a couple months ago.
A woman was killed by a black bear, which is the one that said, oh, the black bears, you just make yourselves big and they go away.
So, I mean, any bear can kill you.
My experiences with bears have been positive.
How many experiences with bears have you had?
I've been to Alaska, so a lot from there.
You just honk the horn and they go away.
And then I tried to pet a car.
I tried to pet a bear, but my sister locked me in the car.
And then a bear bribed my dog to stop barking at him with a deer leg.
Yeah, I ain't gonna lie.
I've encountered bears.
And even though I would rather encounter a man, the bears weren't that bad.
They just kind of went up.
What are all these bear encounters?
Okay, there's a place called Barrazona in Arizona that it's like a free, it's a free-for-all walk, and you can see bison and you can see bears and you can walk around them.
Yes, you have to sign a waiver, but it's still clear.
That's crazy.
Imagine how, but it's still so cool.
It's a good experience.
Imagine how many people those animals see every single day, though.
Like, that's the difference: is that you choose you walk past a random bear in the wild.
You don't, you don't, I mean, it's but the one time I did walk by one in the wild, it didn't really do anything to me either.
Yeah, and I was in Lewiston.
I was in the potential, like, bears.
Okay, how about this?
Would you rather walk up to a random bear and pat the random bear on the head or walk up to a random man and pat the random man on the mouth?
But I think there's the fact that you know you shouldn't pet a bear anyway.
If I could, and a man either.
Yeah, but that's exactly what I'm saying.
But like, you don't know the man.
If I walked up to a random dude and started petting him, he would fight you.
Honestly, I think the chances are pretty good.
Like, random men.
So, yes, I could do that, and there could be some men that would be a good idea.
But it just depends on the men.
It depends on the man.
I would rather do that because I know like most men are just going to be like, like, they're going to look at me like, the fuck are you doing?
But I think most men are just going to let me do it, and they're going to give me a really weird look and be like, what the fuck?
I don't think they're going to like, most men are not going to fight me.
And then I could just play that off with some comedy, like, oh, fuck.
I'm sorry.
But what if you get those weird, like, ignorant men that are like, why do you fucking touch me?
You know, like, if he wants to fight, yeah.
But, like, okay, final, final thing here, Ryder, these are your notes, and then we're wrapping.
You said there's only three of them.
Women do not have equal rights to men in the USA.
What do you, what do you mean by this?
So you agree with that statement?
What do you mean, I guess?
Yeah, like, we just, like, we don't, we don't have equal rights.
And that's why there's some women that are fighting for, I guess, equality.
But I mean, it doesn't matter about my viewpoint on equal rights or anything, but it's just the point of, yeah, I mean, that's why I didn't circle that women are oppressed because we're not oppressed.
You have to be grateful because, I mean, like we said, we're not going straight to the army.
We're not, and it's cool to not, it's cool to not have the same rights sometimes.
Yeah, but you said women don't have equal rights.
So what rights do men have that women don't?
They go to the war.
You just said equal.
It doesn't matter.
Bad or good.
They go to war.
Wait, wait, wait.
Hold on.
So wait.
The question was women don't have equal rights.
So men can be drafted, women can't.
Yeah.
What else?
Okay, men can't be drafted.
Okay, like the whole pay thing.
Pay gaps.
Yeah, okay, whatever.
I mean, I guess that's a con one instead of a pro one for me.
But like, yeah, just like, there's just different things of equal rights.
The whole thing of like our reproduction.
Tell me that.
Yeah, like the reproduction.
Abortions.
Yeah, okay.
No, not even abortion.
Like maternity leave compared to paternity leave.
Like paternity leave, like you're not even carrying the baby.
Yes, I understand.
You had to be, you had, you have to be there as a present father, which is good, but it's also one of those things of like you didn't physically go through the nine months.
Maternity leave is typically shorter.
Yeah, but still, like, but that's what I'm saying.
They don't allow it for the nine months that I was pregnant.
You're not going to give me three weeks.
Oh, shit.
It's fine.
It's fine.
Next one.
What was the next one?
Oh, okay, next.
What are the other rights that women don't have?
I don't know.
Just things like that.
But like I'm saying, bad or good, regardlessly.
Wage, draft, wage gap, abortion, paternity, more men get paternity.
How would men getting paternity leave?
They just do.
Yeah, but why?
But you're saying women don't have equal rights to men.
If women have maternity leave and they happen, like Lydia said, happen to have, get more of a leave than when they're not.
Not typically all the time, though.
Almost always.
Yeah, but there's never a case where a guy will get more maternity leave at a company than a woman.
No, no, no, no.
I'm not talking about that.
I'm talking about the fact that it's not as long.
Even though they get it, it's not as long as you should be in there for the child's life.
And it sucks because a worker, you could tell your worker and you could be like, hey, I just had a baby, da-da-da.
And they're going to be like, okay, well, I expect you back in five months.
When you're like, I want to be there for the first kind of 10 years, but my job's not going to be promised to me.
Which is why I have a job.
So that's what I'm saying.
Good or bad, we don't have the same rights.
That's why I didn't put women are oppressed because we're not oppressed.
To be clear, are you saying that women have more rights than men?
No, not more than that.
Because this would be an argument that men.
That's why I'm saying it's a pro and con list of like, we just, it's not the same rights.
They're not equal.
They're not the same.
Equal means the same, and that's it.
But typically, like, the context and the phrasing here would indicate women do not have equal rights.
Two men would indicate, like, okay, what rights do women not have?
But that's how you're taking it.
The question was literally.
Okay, so you're saying.
But the question was literal.
Oh, that's what I'm saying.
I think I, yeah, I think I'm understanding what you're saying.
So women get more maternity leave.
And you think that that's like a detriment to men?
Yeah, I guess.
Not a detriment, but it's just the fact of like when a man.
Who's it unfair to?
Men or women?
It's unfair to both cases, actually, to be honest, because a man should be there for his kids after because you want a present father.
But yes, you do want the hard work.
I see what you're saying.
But that's what I'm saying.
And then the women went through, okay, yeah, the draft.
You said the draft, so is that.
Yeah, it's just not the same equal right.
You said equal right, and we're not going to go to the front of the line.
Exactly.
So that's what I'm saying.
That's why I didn't circle women are oppressed because I don't believe that.
I just believe that we don't have the same rights.
And equal means the same.
Okay, so you're saying so men don't have as many rights as women then?
No, I didn't say that.
I just said they weren't equal.
Do men have more rights?
I mean, I didn't decide to go down the whole list.
I just knew I just knew out of the four, I was like, they're not equal.
I'm asking you a new question.
Do men not have as many rights as women?
No, I think do men have more rights than women?
I think they set the system up because obviously when they made this system, like whenever, you know, the founding fathers, like how we were talking about when they set up the system for like the draft, not letting women vote, everything, they set that system up.
So that was what I'm saying.
And then women got it throughout later.
So that's where I'm saying.
Doesn't matter when it came, doesn't matter what, like how it happened, but they just weren't equal.
Like the Malrushmore presidency.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
I don't believe women are oppressed.
No, but like, that's what I'm saying.
We just don't have equal rights, bad or good.
Like whether the right benefits women or does not benefit women, they're just not equal.
So men don't have the same rights as.
So, okay, when it comes to the draft, are you wanting women to be drafted?
No.
So is it a right?
But are you arguing that it's a right-handed?
But there's some women out there that will argue.
I'll explain it.
So are you saying that it's a lack of rights that women aren't drafted?
Like, is that what you're arguing?
Yeah, I guess lack of rights.
Like, because.
Isn't it a privilege?
Like, that's a problem.
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
It's a privilege.
It's a good thing.
It's a female privilege.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It is a feeling.
It's not drafted.
But that's what I'm saying.
But it's also the same.
It's not the same right as a man.
It's not a right, though.
Yeah, I guess.
It's not a right.
But you put all rights.
Yeah, but it's not a right.
If it was a right, wouldn't I have the choice to refuse to be drafted?
So it's a duty.
Yeah, it's not a right.
Like a right can't be added to your argument.
It's what he said.
Yeah.
Because it's not included in rights.
Yeah, but rights don't even exist.
Yeah, exactly.
In general.
Okay.
All right.
You said that male privilege exists.
Yeah.
And also you said men are more privileged in society than women.
Yeah, because just like the whole thing about like how you said exactly, it would take a lot for a man to be a slut.
Like it would take a lot.
Just because of the way that society views women and they believe just the societal norms of just being like that and that's it.
So, I mean, so men can be like, okay, no, no, no, it's not, but they could get away with more things because of the way they die.
Men have to go to war and die.
Yeah, but they can also be sluts.
So, like, it balances out.
No, it doesn't balance out.
Nobody should go to war and die.
Like, that's what I'm saying.
But the way when they set the system up to be like, we got to send the highest people out on the front of the line.
Yeah.
They don't smoke weed typically when they go to the war.
Oh, well, that's not what I meant.
I was talking about like highest ranking.
Like, on the ASVAB test on stuff like that, when you get into the military, you like were you in the military?
No, well, I mean, I took the ASVAB, but they said I couldn't go because I was the only woman, like child.
So they literally told me no.
Like, so.
So I could have pursued the military instead of going to college.
But since I mean, I don't, I kind of reject this idea that, like, oh, men set that system up.
Like, what does it have?
I don't think it really has to do with men because ultimately it was like.000001% of people who had the power to create these were able to vote and make the no, actually, for the vast majority of human history, neither men or women could vote.
Yeah.
But they were able to propose it, like John Hancock, Benjamin Frank, they were the only ones that were able to propose it.
200 years ago.
Yeah, but that's what I'm saying.
That's how they set the system up around.
They're queens and monarchs and this sort of thing.
And actually, if there's when it comes to warfare, queens were much more likely to go to war than kings.
There was a study on this.
Queens were much more likely to go to war than their male counterparts.
So this idea that, oh, if we lived in a matriarchy where we lived with like female rulers, there would be less war or no war.
Actually, history seems to dictate that it's actually not the case.
Women were more likely to initiate wars than men were.
Okay.
Okay.
All right.
I mean, in any case, it's not clear to me.
So, okay, here's my argument here: you're saying men are more privileged in society than women.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But I think you have to, and so I guess I would be willing to grant that male privileges exist.
Yeah.
And I think female privileges also exist.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Females could get away with more things ever.
Yeah, of course.
I believe the ultimate minority is the individual.
And so when you talk about privilege, you need to look at the totality of some of these stop guys.
You need to look at the totality of somebody's circumstances.
So for example, like let's say there's a given male privilege, right?
And this male privilege is, let's say it was in the 1914 and he had the right to vote, right?
But then, okay, this male privilege exists.
Or I mean, how about this?
Let me do a different example.
Can you just tell me some male privileges?
No, actually, I can.
No, yeah.
Don't know any.
I can't think right now of any.
Like, I'm going to be honest, I'm starting to check out.
So I'm trying to think as much as I can.
That's fine.
So, yeah, yeah.
Anything?
Can you give me one?
Male privileges?
I would just basically say, like, they were able to rent a car and they were able to create debt.
And yeah, stuff like that.
They were able to get credit cards.
And yeah, and that's, yeah, just stuff like little things like that.
But like I'm saying, not to say I believe that women should not have credit cards because I believe from my personal experience we should stick to debit.
You should stick to debit.
Yeah, I should stick to debit, definitely.
I mean, I'm fine with credit.
But look, I guess my ultimate point here on this is that I think you have to look at the individual level to determine if this privilege is even helpful.
For example, like if male privilege is blanket and all males have male privilege, like I don't think we would say that in totality, an individual is privileged if the following.
They have, it's a three-year-old with cancer, but he's male.
Like, I don't think in totality we would ever say that a three-year-old who has terminal cancer and is going to die in three months has privilege, despite them being male.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And like, what privilege does that male have over a three-year-old girl who doesn't have terminal cancer?
I would say, like, okay.
So that's an extreme, like, right, but you have to look at totalities of circumstances before we can, like, okay, so if there's male privilege, but what about the totality of the individual circumstances of someone's given life?
Yeah.
So like, for example, I'm male, but like I have chronic pain issues.
And so like, I would happily trade my supposed male privilege for like a better back for female.
I'll trade my superior male privileges for female privileges if my, like, I could be able-bodied or I could not have like debilitating pain.
A lot of people would.
Right.
Yeah.
What I'm saying is, is this idea, and well, men are much more likely to suffer from like chronic pain and this sort of thing and have like injuries because they are typically employed in blue collar fields, laborious jobs where they're more likely to be injured.
And so for this reason, they're more likely to be injured on the job.
They're more likely to die on the job.
And so for this reason, and they do rigorous male.
Yeah, I would absolutely, if I could get rid of my chronic pain, I'll take a period.
Yeah.
Give me a fucking, give me menstruation as a dude.
I'll pee blood out of my skin.
Yes.
If my bad.
I don't pee blood.
I hope you know it.
It comes from the body.
I'm like, I hope you know it.
He would get cramps.
Those are bad.
Men only have a urethra.
Yeah, yeah.
So it would kind of be bad.
There's a machine that you can put that gives guys cramps.
Yeah.
You should definitely try that.
The cramp machine simulator.
Comparison to pregnancy.
Here's the thing, though.
I think on that, men get kidney stones.
Yeah.
But so do women.
Women also get kidneys.
But women have reported, women who have had kidney stones report that it's worse than pregnancy pain.
And I think there's like physiological differences between men and women when it comes to kidney stones and the pain associated with it.
Because there's different, whatever.
In any case, this idea that like pregnancy pain is the worst thing ever, but like men get kidney stones.
Also, though, you have to remember that your body releases hormones that make you forget the pain of childbirth.
So yeah, that is.
Well, there is that too.
That is.
Female privilege.
Female privilege.
Ridiculous.
Okay.
We have a chat here.
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That's, I don't know what the fuck is up with Streamlabs, man.
Fuck.
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The kingdom come.
Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven.
Give us this day our daily bread and forgive us our trespasses.
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Oh, we were all supposed to read that at the same time.
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Call to action.
I always do this at the end of the show.
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No, I wouldn't know what to do.
Okay, I tried.
GG.
I can find you something to do.
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