Whatever Podcast - Gen Z Girls SHOCKED By Brian's Standards?! ZYZZ BRO Chestbrah! BEEFING Lil Tay?!

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Gen Z Girls SHOCKED By Brian's Standards?! ZYZZ BRO Chestbrah! BEEFING Lil Tay?! | Dating Talk #206

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	Welcome to the Whatever Dating Talk podcast, where we try to make sense of the modern dating hellscape.
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	And quick announcement here before we get into the guest intros.
	Madison.
	So a lot of you have been asking.
	So Madison did resign.
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	Hi, my name is Rogue.
	I am 32.
	I just turned 32 two days ago.
	Happy birthday.
	Thank you.
	I work at a plastic surgery office.
	I'm an adult entertainer.
	I also go to school full-time for x-ray technician.
	And I also teach pole dancing.
	Wow, okay.
	Quite a lot.
	And do you, when you say you do adult content, what kind of adult content?
	OnlyFans.
	Okay, well, what do you do on OnlyFans?
	Oh, I do full adult content.
	So full.
	Yeah, BG, F, FM, swapping.
	Yeah, all the things.
	What's the most amount of B's?
	Just two.
	Just two.
	Usually just swaps.
	Yeah.
	I work with only couples.
	So other relationships.
	Got it.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	My name is Isabella.
	I'm 18.
	I live here in Santa Barbara and I'm a student at UCSP.
	All right.
	Welcome back.
	What do you study?
	I study psych.
	Psych.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	My name's Keely.
	I'm 18.
	I'm from Santa Barbara and I'm currently a student too.
	All right.
	What are you studying?
	Interior design.
	Interior design.
	And are you at the UC or the CC?
	CC.
	Got it.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	I'm Maria.
	I'm 18.
	I live here too.
	And I go to the CC and I'm studying psychology.
	All right.
	I'm Mallory.
	I'm 18 as well.
	I go to the CC and I'm studying communication.
	All right.
	And are you guys from Santa Barbara?
	Or where are you guys all from?
	We're from Sacramento originally.
	All three of you.
	Yeah, we came to school together for the CC.
	Okay, so you're friends from back home.
	Got it.
	What about you?
	I'm Marcy.
	I just turned 37 on Friday.
	I'm from Orlando, Florida, and I work in project management.
	All right.
	I'm Megan.
	I'm 33.
	I'm an operations and logistics manager, and I coach volleyball, and I'm from Orlando, Florida.
	All right, welcome.
	Yo, what's good, guys?
	Say, it's Gabriel Seversian, otherwise known as Chespra.
	38 years old from Sydney, Australia, full-time sick cunt, WBFF Pro, soon-to-be IFPB Pro, multiple business owner, and I'm happy to be here.
	All right, perfect.
	Good to have you, man.
	Good to have you.
	Actually, wait, before, or Liam, let's have you intro, but then I got some questions for you.
	Oh, this is going to be good.
	My name is Liam, 36 years old, serial entrepreneur.
	Not that I sell cereal, I just have multiple businesses.
	So I just want to make that clear.
	You should get into cereal, though.
	No, I'm going to hold you to that.
	Where's my frosty flakes, bitch?
	We're going into business again.
	It'll probably be the only thing I haven't sold, to be fair.
	So yeah.
	We're going to start a cereal business.
	Right, if we don't, it'll be a crime.
	Frosty flakes.
	For you to make money and not commit crime.
	So I'd love to start a cereal for crikey flakes.
	No, no, cracky crackers.
	Crikey crackers.
	There you go.
	Crippy crackers.
	No, no, we really will be a cereal.
	Then I really will be a serial entrepreneur.
	There you go.
	Yeah, so that's me.
	You've got some questions for my brother on the left.
	I do, yeah.
	So, you know, are you aware?
	Of course I am.
	So, okay.
	First off, can you pull up the first photo?
	All right.
	Sorry, guys.
	We're.
	It's okay.
	I'll have that effect on people.
	All right.
	Tell me what's on your mind, Brian.
	Huh?
	What are you thinking?
	Yeah, yeah.
	So, so your brother is Ziz?
	Ziz?
	R.I.P.?
	That's you guys a long time ago.
	Yes.
	14 years ago.
	Yeah.
	14 years ago.
	And we have, wait, Morgan, can you hold up?
	We actually have that exact.
	We did some AI.
	I've seen it, yeah.
	I've seen it actually in your podcast and stories.
	There it is.
	It's exactly the same.
	It just looks a bit modern.
	Yeah.
	And so, but, and I was familiar, guys, with you guys way back during the MISC.
	Oh, yeah.
	I heard you're on the MISC forums.
	Can you pull it up?
	Pull up the...
	Yeah, we just saw that one.
	The next...
	The next tap over.
	There it is.
	So this is, and here's the crazy thing for the viewers out there.
	We'll come back to that in just a second.
	They got rid of the bodybuilding.com forums.
	A week ago, actually.
	Yeah.
	I've seen it all over the Instagram.
	It's very sad.
	Hopping.
	It's very sad.
	Pull it back in there.
	Yeah, so this is the old MISC, the bodybuilding forum.
	Go to the next tab.
	Dude, I've got a question for you.
	What was your name on the mission?
	Oh, I can't say that.
	I can't say that.
	But there was the reps.
	Do you remember the reps in the neck?
	Yeah.
	Do you remember what was that?
	Title of the Pirate.
	Would have his hands tied behind his back.
	He goes, Do I have potential?
	You remember that thread?
	Potential.
	Oh my god.
	That was legendary.
	And then the dude.
	I've got like a thousand fucking threads.
	The debate over how many days in a week.
	In before Clive.
	Yes.
	In before Clive.
	In Before Clive.
	Ah, those were the days.
	Oh, my God.
	Those were the days.
	Man, that takes me back.
	I actually posted on there about six months ago.
	I just chimed in just for the hell of it.
	Just made a thread, popped back in there, and just like, ask a chess brother anything.
	Yeah.
	Posted like a little fucking photo, like in a spoon photo, just to prove it was me.
	And everyone's just like typing away and reached like six, seven pages, but I don't know, man, it was just different.
	It was like more toxic.
	And I don't know, everyone.
	Yeah, yeah.
	It seems like it had less lifters.
	And I feel like people from our time and our generation, like you're my age, 35.
	35.
	Yeah, see, I'm 38.
	So I feel like people from our time, like internet was a lot different back then.
	There was like more bullying.
	Everyone just, it was more crude.
	Everyone just said whatever they wanted to say.
	There was none of this PC bullshit culture.
	People were just unapologetically themselves.
	And it was raw and it was real.
	And it was a great time to be alive.
	You know what I mean?
	So rest in peace to the misc into the miscarriage.
	You will be missed.
	RIPs.
	Can you get some emojis in the chat?
	R.I.P.s in the chat.
	And I'm Brian Atlas, 35 from Santa Barbara, California.
	Over the hill has been washed up.
	YouTuber is my profession.
	And let's see here.
	Oh, we'll go around with everybody's relationship status.
	So are you single, talking stage, situation ship, friends with benefits, relationship, married polycule, sex cultural, whatever it may be?
	If you're single, how long have you been single?
	And what's the longest relationship you've ever been in?
	I'm in a polyamorous relationship.
	We've been together for three and a half years.
	I broke up with my ex-husband of seven years, and that was my longest relationship.
	Who initiated the divorce?
	That was me.
	That was you?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	All right.
	And you're in a poly relationship for the past 3.5 years.
	Yeah, polyswinger kind of style relationship.
	Okay.
	I guess that's just the best words to put towards it.
	What does that mean?
	Does that mean you guys couple swap and all that shit?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	And your husband's fine with it?
	No, no, I broke up with him.
	And then after.
	So now your boyfriend's fine with it.
	Yeah.
	Do you feel like do you honestly question?
	Like, do you feel like he loves you if he lets you sleep with other men?
	I do, actually, because he's my ride or die best friend.
	How old is he?
	And how long have you guys been together?
	So we've been together for three and a half years.
	Okay.
	He is 42 and I am 32.
	Okay.
	He's a bit older.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	And after I divorced my husband, I just didn't want to be held down and we ended up just, we were best friends and then it turned into love.
	Could you have a relationship that's just monogamous?
	Oh, yeah, I could.
	But I think what I have right now is just works.
	And that's what I'm here for.
	And who put that on the table?
	Is that you or your partner?
	It was kind of, I really like you, but I don't want to be like, I'm in, like, don't want to be stuck with just one person right now because I was in a relationship for so long.
	Yeah.
	And he's like, okay, well, let's just have fun together, see what happens.
	And that's what we've been doing ever since.
	Okay, so if you guys say, if you guys get married, would you guys still see yourself doing that if you have children, if you have a family?
	Yes.
	And most of the people that are our friends have children and have families and they do the same thing.
	Wow.
	Okay.
	And so the whole policy.
	Oh, did you have more?
	No, it really just interests me because I'm really old school.
	Like, I have a partner.
	We've been together almost two years.
	And I've always just been like a one-woman man kind of guy.
	You know what I mean?
	Like, I'm not going to sit here and pretend I'm an angel.
	Like, I had a very fruitful past.
	But when it comes to dating and being with a woman that I love, I can't imagine being or bringing other people into the relationship.
	I don't know.
	Call me old school, old-fashioned, whatever.
	I just think it's just that it's just easy.
	It's just, it's nice.
	It feels wholesome.
	And somewhere just in a man's fucking brain, if you just picture your woman with another man, it just makes me just want to, like, it just makes me sick, to be honest.
	And I don't know how society can be like that today.
	So that's fucking disgusting.
	Exactly what I'm for.
	Is that kind of pretty much?
	Okay.
	Yeah, pretty much.
	But I mean, each to their own.
	Some person's yuck is another person's yum, right?
	Yeah, each to their own.
	You know, whatever makes you happy.
	But I genuinely do think, and you know, correct me if I'm wrong, you're 10 years down the line.
	I genuinely do think one party will regret it sooner rather than later.
	It's funny because a lot of the couples we do play with, they've been together for 12 years, sometimes even more.
	Oh, yeah, there's definitely a mock-up.
	There's definitely a mockup.
	I feel like it goes into that because you're not going to be able to do it.
	I feel like it goes into that more with older people.
	I've seen older swingers in their 50s and 60s when they're almost fucking awesome.
	They've got nothing to live for.
	I think the older you get, the more you realize that sex is sometimes just so superficial.
	It's about really loving somebody for who they are.
	And I personally just want somebody who I can have fun with and just explore the world with and just be like my best friend.
	Well, but so what does that have to do with being Polly?
	You're not really like answering his great dicks are great.
	No, but all the things you just said, you could have all that in a monogamous relationship.
	Yeah, but I also really love people.
	But you said you could have a monogamous relationship.
	I could, but I don't know.
	Could you really?
	It's so much fun right now.
	It's okay if you can't.
	That's totally cool.
	Everyone's different.
	You know what I mean?
	Like, I'm just making curious.
	I have in the past, and I enjoyed it.
	And, you know, I was faithful in the past, but I think what I have now is it's new and it's different and it feels right.
	So that's what I'm doing right now.
	What's the scope of your polyamorous relationship?
	So typically I date like one guy.
	It's mostly just couples.
	Like we'll do single females too because I'm also bi.
	But it's usually just couple swapping.
	We've never really had like single dudes.
	So when couple swapping, you'll meet another heterosexual couple.
	Yeah.
	Male, female.
	You'll sleep with the male.
	You'll sleep with the woman.
	Yes, essentially.
	Okay.
	And then do you ever go with single men?
	No.
	No.
	But you will go with single women.
	Yeah.
	Okay, we're.
	But you'll take a single male if there's a man and a woman.
	Yeah.
	Well, no, no, no.
	They have to be in a couple.
	They have to be in a couple of people.
	That's what I'm saying.
	If they're in a relationship, then you'd swap.
	Then I'd swap.
	Yeah.
	Okay, this is what I don't understand.
	Then how come, like, if a single bachelor buck just came in there and just decided to join in on your shenanigans, why would he get a no straight away?
	So, the reason why I don't do that is because...
	Is it because your partner doesn't get something out of it?
	No, I think the guys sometimes get clingy.
	When the guys are in a relationship, then they're in a relationship with their girl and they're less likely to get clingy with me.
	Oh, wow.
	I didn't even know that myself.
	So interesting.
	Yeah.
	It's kind of, it is a boundary.
	It creates a boundary.
	Well, women get clingy having sex with men.
	No, guys get clingy.
	Jeez.
	My mind have the times to change, people.
	So moving on, what about you?
	I'm taken, and my longest relationship was a year.
	All right.
	And were you, last time you were on the show, were you in a relationship?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	All right.
	There we go.
	Dinner on Brian tonight.
	Let's go, baby.
	I declare bankruptcy.
	I declare bankruptcy.
	Wait, how's it?
	I got this.
	And then we're going to learn something.
	Brian's taking us to dinner tonight.
	I guess so.
	Yo, thank you so much, man.
	That's huge.
	The office fan, do I have any office?
	No, God!
	Yes!
	No, God, please, no!
	Let's see what else.
	I don't know what were you doing?
	Okay, thank you, man.
	Thank you, man.
	Really appreciate it, man.
	That's your legend.
	We'll pop the champagne just as soon as we just get everybody's relationship status.
	So we're in a relationship.
	Bro, I only got $999.
	Oh, come on.
	Pop champagne.
	Why not a thousand like the other guys?
	She is whatever.
	Anonymous.
	Dr. Rainbow, thank you so much, man.
	I didn't have no idea.
	Thank you.
	Hey, both of you guys.
	He's a brave and a decent man.
	He's a pioneer.
	Yo, thank you guys.
	I think we only have how many champagne bottles?
	That's it.
	Oh, well, I gotta send somebody down.
	Pull that goody good out of here.
	Well, just put it down here and then I'll pop both of them as soon as we get through the relationship status.
	We'll get to it in just a moment here.
	So, okay.
	You were how long have you been in the relationship for?
	Nine months now.
	Nine months?
	Okay.
	It's a male.
	Yeah.
	Okay, just checking.
	And how did you guys meet?
	Through school.
	Through school?
	Okay.
	What about you?
	I'm currently in a relationship right now, and my longest relationship was a year and a half before that.
	How long is this current relationship?
	Just a couple months.
	Three months?
	Yeah, yeah.
	And your longest relationship was one year, you said?
	Mm-hmm.
	All right.
	Who broke up with who?
	It was a really bad, messy breakup.
	I would say that he broke up with me.
	He broke up with you?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Was there like infidelity or cheating?
	It was just, we didn't see eye to eye on a lot of stuff, and we were just fighting a lot.
	And I just don't think that we like ended up liking each other as much as we thought we would.
	Was there cheating, though?
	No, it was just a lot of fighting.
	Drama.
	Yeah, like drama and conflict, and we just weren't made for each other.
	All right.
	How did you meet the current guy that you're dating now?
	I met him on social media, and he lives down here, so we met down here.
	You met him on.
	So he slid into your DM?
	Yes, he did.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Is he a TikToker or something?
	No, he I forget.
	He just honestly texted me, just like snap with a question mark.
	He snapchat.
	Yeah, that was it.
	On Instagram DM.
	was his line and i was like the snap yeah Yes, he did.
	He got the snap.
	Yes.
	i had to stalk the account first but he did wait can we just okay i'll send it in private chat um What about you?
	Oh, I'm single right now.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	How long have you been single for?
	Since like last September.
	Okay.
	So over a year.
	You've been single?
	Yeah.
	Longest relationship?
	Like three months.
	Three months?
	Was that the one that ended?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Who broke up with who?
	I broke up with him.
	All right.
	Why?
	Because I just didn't like him anymore.
	Yeah.
	You didn't like him anymore?
	Yeah.
	Just lost feelings.
	And yeah, I was bored.
	You got bored?
	Kind of like someone else.
	Oh, okay.
	Wait, so what when you say you're bored, what does that mean?
	I don't know.
	It just got boring, you know?
	We were like long distance, so it's like I couldn't really see him as much as I wanted to.
	I was six, it just ended up like not working out, you know.
	Okay, long distance.
	All right.
	And but so you're single now?
	Yes.
	Are you on dating apps?
	No.
	No.
	Any guys in the picture?
	No.
	No.
	No guys in the picture, okay?
	Nothing.
	Absolutely nothing.
	Sneaky link?
	No.
	And you've been single for a year, about a year and a month.
	So there's been no guys in the picture for the past year.
	Oh, well, no.
	Just as of right now.
	No.
	Okay.
	What's the long since the breakup of the three-month relationship that was about a year ago?
	What's the longest period of time you've seen a guy in between then?
	Say that again?
	Wait.
	Just so you've been single for a year and a half or a year and a month.
	Yeah.
	But you have been maybe talking to some guys here and there.
	Yes.
	What's the longest, like for one month, two months, three months?
	Oh, probably like eight months.
	Like, oh.
	Like off and on.
	Okay, but it wasn't official.
	No.
	Okay, so you wouldn't consider that a relationship?
	No.
	Okay.
	When you say off and on, what do you mean?
	Like it just was off and on.
	Sometimes we would like hang out, sometimes we wouldn't.
	How did you guys meet?
	Through like school.
	You met at a party or like high school.
	Oh, okay.
	Yeah.
	All right.
	So you guys would like hook up infrequently kind of?
	Yeah.
	Okay, I see.
	All right.
	What about you?
	I'm in a relationship right now, and it's the longest one I've had.
	How long?
	It's nearing a year, like nine months right now.
	All right.
	How did you guys meet?
	We met through because her ex-boyfriend is my current boyfriend's like best friend.
	Oh, not as bad as I thought it was going to be.
	But yes, we met through them because they were dating and we were really close and they were really close.
	So we just, they kind of like set us up.
	And then we've been dating ever since then.
	So wait, not her ex-boyfriend?
	No, no, no, no.
	Her ex-boyfriend's best friend.
	Okay.
	Yes.
	I guess that's not too bad.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	I get some bad.
	Slash roommate.
	Yeah, slash roommate.
	Slash roommate.
	And we were roommates.
	And okay.
	What about you?
	I am engaged.
	We have been together for, we think, four years.
	We're not really sure.
	It just kind of happened.
	My longest relationship was like nine or ten years.
	My whole 20s, basically.
	All right.
	And you've been engaged.
	Wait, your whole 20s.
	Was there like a three-year break between the 10-year relationship and this most recent one?
	Yeah, I was single for about six years.
	Yeah, about five or six years in between that.
	Who broke up with who in the 10-year relationship?
	Which time?
	The final time was me.
	Okay.
	So it was on again, off again then?
	Yeah.
	It was a really toxic.
	Four or five times, I would say.
	You said it was really toxic?
	Yeah, it was a lot of cheating.
	What did you do that was toxic?
	A lot of cheating on his end.
	And I didn't know how to communicate well, and I didn't understand boundaries.
	So I kind of just kept believing his excuses and kept taking him back and then finally had enough and walked away.
	You said he was cheating?
	Yeah.
	Did you do any cheating?
	No.
	Okay.
	All right.
	What about you?
	I'm single.
	The last relationship was about six years ago.
	And it was about a year long.
	All right.
	Who broke up with who?
	I broke up with him.
	And that was your longest relationship?
	It was like a year, yeah.
	Was the last one?
	Yeah.
	I see.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Why did you break up with him?
	My mental health wasn't doing very well.
	Because you were with him or just in general?
	In general.
	In general.
	Yeah.
	I was struggling, so I couldn't be there for him.
	Okay.
	All right.
	What about you?
	So I'm in my longest relationship currently, almost two years.
	Love of my life.
	Most likely we'll get married.
	Aside from that, I've just, the longest relationship from that is probably been a year, year and a half.
	So I've had short relationships here and there.
	And before that, I was single for quite a long time and just, you know, focusing on my career, focusing on business, traveling the world.
	I'm what they call a fitness influencer.
	So, you know, I never really committed myself to anything important or meaningful until I got a bit older, until I realized what really matters in life, family, love, business, you know, just creating a legacy, a long-lasting legacy, something that'll like withstand the test of time.
	So she's watching right now.
	So shout out to my babe.
	I hope you're enjoying this.
	She's in Australia or no, she's here.
	She came down.
	She came down with me.
	Okay, very cool.
	She's just watching this from her laptop as she works.
	Very cool.
	And just so everyone knows, she's a very successful woman as well.
	She almost turns as much as I do.
	She's absolutely killing it.
	She's a head of customer service for a really big company.
	Not going to say too much because I'm going to keep her a little bit private.
	And I'd like to add as well, I'd like to keep my partners private.
	I'm in the social media world quite a lot.
	So I like to protect the people that I love and not really let them be seen in the social media realm because it's really toxic.
	And sometimes you don't need to parade the best things around in life on social media.
	So I hope you ladies can learn something from older gentlemen such as myself that love is really good when you find it.
	And this is coming from someone who was a massive fuckboy when I was younger.
	It was one of the worst.
	Brian would probably know.
	Massive?
	Brian would know.
	He was on the miss.
	He's probably seen it all.
	But the best thing I can say is growing up, maturing, and becoming a man and just learning to love one woman and being one person.
	How did you guys meet?
	Good question.
	She actually came up to me in the supermarket.
	So I was prepping for a bodybuilding contest and she met me in the frozen aisle section.
	I was grabbing some peas and beans.
	Okay.
	And she tapped me on the shoulder.
	So we knew each other through mutual friends, but we had never met, if that makes sense.
	And then she just tapped me on the shoulder and yeah, we just started talking.
	And I still ask her to this day, I'm like, wow, what gave you the courage to do that?
	Because she's really shy.
	And then she's like, well, I just, I knew what you were like, and I've heard a bit about you and this and that.
	But because to me, like, most people, like, especially girls, like, it's normally the guys going up to the girls to court them and in courtship and all that kind of stuff.
	But, you know, as well, when you're famous and well-known, it just kind of like scares a lot of good girls away.
	What I've noticed, like, in the past, the girls that I would hook up with and be with were just no one of real like substance and no one that can really like keep me, I guess, keep me wanting to stay around, you know?
	So she's really smart and I really value her intelligence.
	She's absolutely beautiful.
	And yeah, it was just the best thing that happened to me in my life.
	I'm 38 years old now and it's only now that I've just found love.
	But you know, I wouldn't have it any other way because, and I like to say this like all men, we need to get it out of our fucking system.
	Like seriously, we really do, guys.
	I hope you're all listening.
	Get whatever it is out of your system when you're young and then you'll be much more inclined to settle down when you're older.
	Well done.
	All right.
	Liam, what about you?
	Yes.
	So my relationship status currently married to my job.
	I'm a workaholic.
	So any girl I was with would have to be very tolerant and very patient, very understanding.
	But I have had three relationships.
	They were all beautiful women.
	I have nothing but amazing things to say about all of them.
	So I've been very fortunate.
	I've been very fortunate from that perspective.
	I've always had amazing partners.
	But I will say one thing about this gentleman next to me because we've been mates for several years now.
	And being with his current partner is the happiest I've ever seen him.
	And I've been, that's real sweet, bro.
	No, no, for real.
	No, no, hear me out.
	me out but like I've been I've got a little bit of a gift where I can predict things that are going to happen And remember, that was that one point where I said, I feel like someone's going to come into your life.
	Two years ago.
	Two years ago.
	On the podcast fight.
	I said, I don't know what it is, but I just feel it.
	And I feel that you attract the best partner when you're the best version of yourself.
	And Said met his partner when he was the best version of himself.
	And a lot of happiness has come from that.
	So I always say to people, it's when you're your best self, you'll have the fewest friends.
	You'll have smaller circles of friends.
	But you'll also attract the best people.
	I've got to jump into that.
	That only is applicable for men.
	So as a man in the dating world, you need to become a high-value man.
	You need to go on the journey of man's journey.
	You need to go through a whole bunch of fucking hurt and pain before you can.
	Of course, and the more you can become like desirable.
	Correct.
	And there was a more of that.
	Nothing's least desirable than like a 20-year-old broke-ass bum.
	Well, you know, when a man hits like his 30s and plus and he's successful, he's doing well for himself.
	that's kind of when like when he gets visible but you girls right now this is like hey my man Hey, Chessbro, can we get to Ziz Pose and Ziz Dance?
	Hey, I'll.
	Can the two Australians say no?
	Not nah.
	Nah.
	No.
	Can you tell me?
	No.
	Nah.
	No.
	Oh, okay.
	All right.
	I could definitely give you the pose butt.
	I ain't about to get up here and downstream by this one's the big man up there.
	Let's go, baby.
	I hope you fucking screenshotted that one.
	Also, can I quickly do you want me to present the gifts for the whatever audience?
	Yeah, sure.
	So I've been sponsored by two brands to be here.
	One is I want to gummies.
	These gummies are going viral.
	I'll get to those in a minute.
	I currently own seven brands.
	They all do seven figures.
	I've got over 700 creators that promote the products for us.
	And my team kept getting hit up by people that wanted to learn how to do this.
	So what we did is we put every resource I've ever had, every book I've written, every e-book, every training seminar, every webinar.
	We've got merch, we've got books.
	We put it all into one box.
	So we called the box the money box.
	Now there's around the money box.
	So there's around one second.
	I'm just going to pop this down.
	So there's around $20,000 worth of value in that box.
	But as a gift to the whatever audience, if you use the code whatever, you'll get 40% off, which means you'll get $20,000 worth of value for around $50.
	Access everything.
	Raid the store for real because it's going to sell out.
	Like, I don't even know if we have enough stock.
	So that's the first one, the money box.
	The second product that I have, I want to gummies.
	So these have been going viral.
	I'm pretty sure.
	We sold over a thousand units the other month.
	We did over a quarter million dollars worth of sales.
	We can't even keep up with these gummy bears.
	So it's got a beautiful luxury box with gummy bears to help you wake up, rest, relax, focus, and sleep.
	I obviously have ADHD, so I need to sleep once quite a lot, but we cannot keep up with demand for these products.
	So as a second gift to everyone on the whatever podcast, you're going to get 40% off everything in store.
	So last time we had people raid the store.
	We couldn't even keep up with sales.
	I recommend use that code whatever because you get 40% off everything.
	We've even got a trial box which gets you 200 bucks worth of gummies for 25 bucks and you get 40% off that too.
	So as I said, raid both stores because we will run out of stock and these products pump.
	Money back guarantee, 40% off everyone from whatever.
	Get at it.
	And we do have the links if you guys are interested.
	Those are in the description of the video.
	And I do have one chat that came in here from the office fan.
	Hey, Brian, love the pod.
	While I disagree with some things you all chat about on here, I enjoy and appreciate the conversation/slash debate.
	Thanks for everything you do.
	Speaking of which, we do still have those two champagne pots.
	I should have been getting this prepped up.
	Do we have cups, by the way, for the guests?
	Who?
	They're very paying back.
	Oh, they are?
	Okay, cool.
	I'll get those.
	So, let's see.
	One sec, guys, while I get this popped.
	Who wants champagne?
	You gotta be a bitch.
	Brian, since we're doing the celebrations and we're doing a bit of a sales pitch, I might just chuck my bit in there before we finish.
	Okay, guys, so.
	All right, welcome to the QVC whatever podcast.
	QVC gift cvc whatever podcast.
	Hey, we're giving away gifts.
	I'm gonna get this one out of the way real quick so we can move on to the show.
	Guys, I have my own clothing brand.
	It's called Subversion Fitness for all you guys that follow the Ziz and Chess Price story from back in the days, from back in the Misk days.
	It's all the official apparel that me and my dearest brother used to wear at festivals, raves, dance parties, you know the go.
	We got shorts, we got jumpers, we got hoodies.
	There's the logo.
	Yes, thank you, Liam, for holding it for me.
	We can all see it.
	There's the logo on there.
	So, guys, this business has been going for 10 years.
	It's something that I've launched as a commemoration to my brother who passed away 10 years ago.
	And it's something that helps to keep his name and memory alive.
	Yes, I would love a glass of champagne, my man.
	And so, anyone that wants to support it, I really much appreciate it.
	Code Chad for a 10% discount.
	I've also gifted Brian some clothes behind the scenes, but I will also give him this pair of shorts.
	Just chucking it here for him.
	Thank you very much, Brian.
	There's more behind the scenes.
	And finally, I'd just like to plug my pre-workout, guys.
	It's called Level Up.
	So, this is a pre-workout that athletes, bodybuilders, anyone can take when they're training, pre-training before sport.
	It's full of nootropics, caffeine.
	We've got citrulline, better alanine, creatine, monohydrate, taurine, caffeine.
	It's one of those pre-workouts, guys, that isn't fully stimmed, so it's not completely strong and it won't wire the shit out of you, but it will give you a nice focus, a nice pump, nice energy with a nice tapered come down.
	You know, those pre-workouts that you take that are too strong, ain't nothing like that.
	You can still go to sleep on this.
	It tastes fucking delicious.
	It's amazing.
	So, this is from Exclusive Sups.
	Brian, again, will link all that stuff in the bio, whatever he does.
	I'll leave that with him.
	But you guys can grab this from Exclusive Sups.
	There it is again.
	It's called Level Up.
	And again, one more thing before I go.
	It also has nootropics in there, which is great for brain function, sleep, and just general activity throughout the day.
	So thank you very much.
	Does it go well with champagne?
	We can try it.
	We can try it.
	We can try if you like.
	I mean, I wouldn't recommend it, but we can try.
	We can try it.
	All right, I'm sure.
	You want me to pour it in?
	Okay, cool.
	I got you.
	I've got you.
	Send it this way.
	I'm not really doing that.
	I hear it this way, of course.
	Can we chuck in some of these?
	I can't believe you're going to.
	It'll give you a lot of energy.
	That's great.
	That's cool.
	That's what you're doing.
	Yeah, I'm a sleepy baby all the time.
	You're the best.
	There we go.
	We don't have a scoop.
	I will just eyeball it for you.
	Tell me if they taste nice.
	I'll be the judge.
	Allow my company to gum in your mouth.
	Yes.
	That's about the serving sweat over there.
	Did you really put it in with champagne?
	Of course.
	Of course.
	Let me know how it goes.
	I'm actually really interested.
	Do you cheers over here?
	Do we cheers in America?
	If I get a heart attack.
	Yes, let us do it.
	Let us cheers.
	Sorry, guys.
	Let us do a cheers.
	So, two.
	Where's Malasa?
	Oh, shit.
	Did I get one?
	Here's yours.
	Here's yours.
	I didn't get one.
	That's fine.
	What's in this one?
	Oh, what's in there?
	It actually smells really good.
	Sorry, guys.
	Hold on.
	We got two champagne parts.
	It does smell good.
	They're really good.
	They're delicious.
	Yeah, guys.
	By the way, you guys all should try the gummies.
	They're really, really good.
	Yeah, they're delicious.
	All right.
	Except the sleep ones.
	Don't take the sleep ones.
	Dr. Rainbow to the office fan.
	Cheers, guys.
	Thank you so much for the champagne parts.
	Cheers.
	Salu.
	Cheers, guys.
	What happens if people keep ordering we all get blind?
	Yeah, that could happen, I guess.
	It's gonna be drinking, bros.
	That's good.
	There it is.
	All right.
	It is really good.
	It goes well with champagne, by the way.
	Oh, yeah, you like it.
	Thank you.
	There you go, guys.
	It's a good level up pre-workout.
	Also, goes great with champagne.
	As said by the Polly girl, Polly?
	Is that what you call Polly?
	Yeah.
	You can call me Rogue.
	Rogue.
	Rogue.
	I'll call you Rogue.
	Okay, cool.
	As said by Rogue, thank you very much.
	All right, so let's get into the show then.
	Let's get right into the show.
	Oh, yeah.
	You're welcome.
	Thank you, my friends.
	Thank you.
	All right, guys.
	So we're going to get into the pre-show notes here.
	So, who do we have first?
	We have, why don't we start with Isabella?
	Yeah.
	Isabella, you've been on the show before.
	I was just curious again.
	I forgot what I asked you this previously.
	Your Instagram username is what?
	Uh, ball smelling.
	What?
	Uh, yeah.
	Why?
	Why?
	For fun, you know?
	Just like you.
	Do you smell the balls or?
	No, but you know, it's just up there.
	Stinky ball 69.
	That's funny, man.
	Oh, my God.
	Like, are you talking about like tennis balls or?
	No, like, testicles.
	Watch!
	Okay.
	That's a crazy Instagram username.
	What do you tell?
	Does that mean you enjoy smelling them or like you would smell them if there was a pair available to sniff?
	Um, you know, I'd rather not, but if they were there, you'd try sniffing them.
	Um, let's just say no.
	Okay.
	So the title's a lie, basically.
	It's for fun.
	Let me know.
	Type that chat.
	You can have fun.
	I'm just taking.
	Going to Stellar?
	Stellar Rogue.
	Yeah.
	Do you prefer Stellar or Rogue?
	You can do Rogue.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	All right.
	So can you give us your Twitter bio introduction?
	Because you gave us a look showing up.
	It's nice, though.
	Or yours.
	My Twitter?
	Yeah, because you said, like, do you recall your Twitter bio introduction?
	I made that a little while ago, so I do not remember.
	Okay, I'll do it for you.
	So in your Twitter bio, you say you're a stripper physics student, pro-slut, porn star model, cum slut, bimbo, curvy, adventurer, foodie, book, worm, and kink fiend, exotic dancer, stripper, adult entertainer, and assistant in the plastic surgery office.
	Yeah, that's why I didn't remember it because it's a lot of things in a row.
	Let's start with pro-slut.
	What does that mean?
	I'm just really good at it.
	At being slutty.
	Just living the living.
	I feel like to be a slut is, it's a term that comes out of society for someone who is obviously just a little bit more promiscuous.
	But I feel like sluts have a lot of fun and we get a bad rap about that.
	So pro-slut.
	Oh, you sluts get a bad rap.
	Yeah.
	I'm an ethical slut.
	What is that?
	It means that, for example, like if I'm not going to like hit on you if you are in a relationship, like I'm not going to try to get with your partner or anything like that unless you guys both consent.
	I'm like really into consent.
	I'm really into, you know, we can have fun, but people have boundaries and I respect those boundaries.
	Ethical.
	Ethically.
	I thought that meant like carbon neutral seminar stuff.
	Oh, yeah, absolutely.
	My carbon footprint.
	Organic salon.
	Grain-fed.
	Okay, cool.
	I've learned something.
	So when you say slut, what do you mean?
	I would say slut is just a term meaning a girl who's more promiscuous.
	It's more of a modern day slang term for promiscuous, I would say.
	Sure.
	Okay.
	All right.
	And so you're in favor of promiscuity?
	I'm in favor of people doing whatever the fuck they want.
	As long as it's not hurting physically or mentally abusing others.
	Do you think that hookup culture is a good thing or a bad thing?
	I feel like it is a bad thing if it's done the wrong way.
	How so?
	I feel like people go into something wanting, like, for example, someone is looking for a relationship, another person is looking just to smash, and the person that's looking for a relationship gets hurt.
	But if the person is, hey, I'm not looking for a relationship, I just want to smash, do you consent to just doing that?
	Then I feel like people get less hurt.
	I think hookup culture is, it's kind of like lying.
	It's trying to get somebody, trying to get into somebody's pants without being forward, that that's all you want from them.
	Okay.
	And so hookup culture bad, but with caveats.
	Is that your position, kind of?
	Okay.
	So, I mean, what's the difference between promiscuity and hookup culture?
	That is a very good question.
	I would say promiscuity is having a very large sex drive and that you want to, you know, smash.
	And hookup culture is just going out there, not really giving a crap about the other person in front of you and just taking what you need from somebody.
	And I feel like that's the difference.
	You're not giving that person the ability to bow out of that situation.
	They're thinking they're getting something like a relationship or like a first date that's going to maybe go into something else.
	But that person is only doing that thing to get to a final end.
	Does that make sense?
	Brian's like, no, he's got all the wheels turning.
	Okay.
	Well, I'll get more into that a bit later, but I do want to get into your notes here.
	So you said you've had some wild experiences on dating apps and at events, including navigating polydynamics through the dating app, meeting people in the adult entertainment world.
	When you were in your early 20s, you were dating a 60-year-old lawyer in town.
	He had a wife you didn't know about, and craziness ensued, like things being stolen, propane tanks being thrown through windows, pepper spray, et cetera.
	So why don't you tell us the story?
	Wow, you really did research.
	Okay, I was, how was I?
	I was 19 years old.
	I was working at my friend's Chinese restaurant, and this guy comes in, and he was getting his Corvette washed across the street.
	And I obviously, you know, take his order and stuff like that.
	He thinks I'm cute.
	He gives me his number and he originally gave me his number to offer me a job.
	And I was like, cool, like I'm in school.
	I'd love to make more money than just being a waitress.
	So he ended up owning a casino building, not like a big casino, but a small casino.
	And he, when he realized that I wasn't 21, he's like, oh, well, I can't give you a job.
	But he wanted other things.
	So I didn't know this at the time.
	I was just, you know, I was just a little lady.
	So I kind of went over to his casino.
	He had a bar down there.
	I played some games with him.
	And then I kicked his butt at air hockey.
	And he wanted to take me on a shopping spree.
	So I went to San Francisco.
	So fast forward all the boring stuff.
	That's how we met.
	Could we do that, please?
	Yes.
	A little bit of background.
	But so he ended up having a wife I had no idea about.
	We were in his, he, I was with my brother on New Year's and I got this crazy text of this girl basically cussing me out, saying that she was his wife, all this stuff.
	I message him and I say, what is this person messaging me?
	Like, you never told me you were married.
	There was no pictures or anything at his house.
	There was no women's clothing, jewelry, anything.
	Like his house didn't have any female presence in it whatsoever.
	He told me they were separated and I was like, okay, so he was still married, but he didn't let me know.
	Well, things got a little crazier because he offered to have me come to his guest house.
	He said that his separated wife was staying at the main house right now because she was in between traveling.
	And so he invited me over and I did.
	Well, she saw us through the window and lost her mind.
	She pushed open the door.
	At this point, he is like removing all my stuff, like trying to hide my presence, which I was like, what the fuck?
	He threw me out the window in the snow.
	So I had like shoes, a dress, and that's it.
	And he was like, run.
	And I was like, run in the woods in the snow at like 11 o'clock at night.
	I was like, I just went, I went up across the side of the building.
	Well, she knocks the door down, and then I just hear screaming.
	So I guess what happened was she pepper sprayed him and it was very loud and scary sounding.
	I thought she stabbed him like multiple times, but it was pepper spray.
	This is the 60 plus year old lawyer.
	Okay.
	How long were you dating him for?
	I think at that point, like three months.
	Three months.
	And how old were you at the time?
	I was 19.
	19?
	Yeah.
	All right.
	So pretty significant age gap there.
	Yeah, it was kind of crazy.
	It just kind of happens.
	I was expecting like getting a job out of it and it kind of turned into more.
	But I mean, I wasn't very smart back then.
	Like I've been through some stuff now, so I would definitely see that coming.
	But yeah, that was not good.
	And she was scary.
	She like stuck her head.
	Was it like a typical like sugar relationship?
	Like he'd pay for your shit.
	No, I honestly wish it was.
	This is so much more drama than it was worth.
	Was he paying for your stuff, giving you an allowance, anything like that?
	No, he was just, he just wanted to travel with me.
	And like he was like, did he travel with you?
	Yeah, we know what you're talking about.
	Where did you guys go?
	We just went up and down the coast of California and stayed at nice places and shopped around.
	Okay, so he'd shop for you.
	He'd buy things for you.
	Yeah, he would buy things for me.
	But I don't think at that time I knew what the sugar baby book.
	Okay, well, that's a sugar relationship, yeah.
	He was like looking after you.
	I was thinking more of we were.
	Maybe he didn't give you that much money, but it's still a sugar relationship.
	Yeah, at that time, I didn't know what that was.
	I was 19 and that was, what, 10, 12 years old?
	And how old was he?
	60?
	He was 62, I think.
	Jesus.
	He looked really good.
	He was a great 62.
	He looked a lot like Robert Dunny Jr.
	So.
	You got to show me a photo later.
	I've got to say this one.
	Were you with him after the pepper spray incident as well?
	At that point, things got really weird.
	After the pepper spray?
	After the pepper spray, yeah.
	So she stuck her head out the window and was trying to find me like a Velociraptor and I was pushed up against the wall like heart pounding and she was freaking looking for me.
	And he called the cops on her and she went to jail that night.
	And then I climbed back through the window.
	So you fought with a 60-year-old woman as well?
	No, she went to jail.
	I never like physically was.
	So you had a grandma chasing you trying to fight you.
	That's possible.
	And she stole my knife out of my duffel bag that I got for Christmas.
	And I was so scared that she was going to stab him and blame it on me.
	Who got you a knife for Christmas?
	My friend.
	Good friend.
	Yeah.
	So that was scary.
	So I want to bring up, open this up to the entire panel.
	This is a pretty substantial age gap relationship.
	Perhaps when I'm having this conversation, I'm not thinking of an age gap relationship quite this big, but perhaps a 35 and a 25 year old or a 30 and 20 year old, something like that.
	So do you, going around the panel, object to age gap relationships starting with you?
	Go ahead.
	Great question, by the way.
	I would say I think it's not a great idea if you are under the age of 25.
	Oh, the prefrontal cortex.
	Yeah, just from experience, guys.
	From experience is that.
	Your current relationship is there an age gap.
	Yeah, 10 years.
	But we got together.
	That's a bad idea.
	But we got together when I was 20.
	So prefrontal cortex has been created.
	You got together with your current guy at 20?
	Or are you talking about the lawyer?
	No, no, my current relationship.
	You got together when you guys were 20?
	28.
	Oh, 28.
	Okay.
	I'm 32.
	Okay.
	And he's 42.
	And he's 42.
	I think a lot of people who object to age gap relationships would even object to that.
	But so 10 years, you said?
	Yeah, 10 years is the gap for us.
	But I would say age gap relationships are bad if you're under the age of like 25.
	Okay, so you can only have an age gap relationship after 25.
	I mean, everyone can do what they want, but yeah, I feel like it would be better.
	It would be a better idea after 25.
	Your thoughts?
	I don't think it's smart, but I think it's okay.
	Not smart on whose part?
	The older person or the younger person?
	I say both because, like, how old are they going to like pass sooner?
	And health issues, there's just a lot of things that tie into it.
	So, Chaz?
	Like, you've more experience, less experience?
	Like, what do you mean?
	Do I what?
	Well, like, let's say I gave you an example where there was a 20-year-old woman who had more experience than the 30-year-old man.
	Would you no longer object to it?
	Between 22 and 30?
	The 20-year-old woman has more experience than the 30-year-old man.
	I don't think that matters.
	You don't think what?
	No, that doesn't matter.
	So, you'd still object to the age gap?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	So, it's not about experience then.
	What is it about?
	Maybe experience in life, not sexually.
	Yeah, a 20-year-old woman could have more life experience than a 30-year-old.
	Okay.
	Maybe she's traveled the world.
	Maybe he's been very sheltered.
	You could even reverse the genders too.
	Someone could be very sheltered even into their 30s.
	You could encounter somebody who's involved in the arts in some way, music, actor, athlete, they've traveled the world.
	That's true.
	Fucking 18-year-old Justin Bieber probably have more life experience than 40-year-old people living in the Midwest.
	Oh, boy.
	Oh, God.
	She already got a lot of excitement.
	But so, in any case, it sounds like you're not thrilled.
	You're not a fan of age gap relationships.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	All right.
	And do you think that kind of like her, do you think there is an age where it does become a bit more appropriate?
	I don't think a minor should be dating like someone who's super old.
	Well, just to be clear, so when I'm talking about age gap relationships, I'm talking about adult relationships.
	Okay.
	So let's just decide minors.
	So when I say adult, it could be an 18-year-old, but we're not talking about minors.
	We're talking about adult men or women.
	Yes.
	So 18 and up who are dating could be 20s, 30s, older.
	Could be 25, 35, whatever it is.
	I don't think the age matters.
	What do you mean?
	Like, I don't think you have to be 20 to start if you want an age gap.
	So you don't have a problem with age gap relationships.
	I don't think it's good, but if you're going to be in one, I don't think there's a set limit of what to make.
	You agree that people can be in age gap relationships.
	There's obviously no law against it.
	Oh, am I for them?
	I'm not for them.
	You're against them, right?
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	So for what reasons, if you want to just re-articulate them?
	It just seems off to me.
	It doesn't seem appropriate.
	I don't know.
	It gives you the ick.
	You could say so.
	Gives you the ick.
	Okay, what can you, why?
	Like I said, experience, but you said you.
	Experience.
	Yeah.
	Well, I mean, look, I'll even grant you that it's more likely that somebody who's older is going to have more life experience than somebody who's younger on the balance of probabilities.
	But anything else besides the experience component?
	No, I don't think so.
	Not that I can recall right now.
	Okay, sure.
	Your thoughts on age gap relationships?
	Yay, nay?
	I think it's really common.
	I don't really have anything against it because I feel like a lot of people, when they get into their 30s or 40s, you're not exactly like asking people how old you are.
	Rather, when you're in your 20s, I feel like it's more common.
	So I don't really have anything against it.
	I think it's pretty normal now to have like an age gap relationship.
	And then I do want to add this also.
	Would you be in an age gap relationship?
	And then I already asked you this one, but have you been in one?
	So going back to you really quick.
	So have you had an age gap relationship?
	How big of a gap?
	Like five years?
	Sure.
	No, I haven't.
	Okay.
	And then would you be in an age gap relationship?
	So you're 18, would you date a guy who's 28?
	If you were single.
	Yeah, if I was single, yes.
	What's the oldest you would date if you were single?
	Probably 26.
	26.
	Okay.
	And then you are in a relationship, but if you weren't, would you be in an age gap relationship?
	Probably, yeah.
	Okay.
	What's the oldest you would date?
	Probably like 26 to 28.
	Okay.
	And then going back, it sounded like your actual view on the age gap relationships was what again?
	It's like positive.
	I feel like it's super normal now.
	I don't have anything against it.
	I feel like when you get older, you like don't start to care about like your age.
	Like you don't ask.
	Sure.
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	And then, how old's your current boyfriend?
	He's 19 right now, so he's just a year older.
	Can you tilt your mic down just a bit?
	Yeah.
	What about you?
	So you are.
	Sorry, my thoughts.
	Yeah, your thoughts on age gap relationships.
	I mean, yeah, I feel like there's not much, like, I don't know, it's positive.
	I don't really mind.
	It doesn't affect me.
	Okay.
	Would you be in an age gap relationship?
	Not like a huge one, but maybe like six years max.
	Six years, so okay.
	You're 18, so you would date like 23, 24.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Got it.
	What about you?
	Your thoughts?
	I feel like now it could be a little weird.
	Like at this age, it's a little weird, but I feel like when you're like 70 dating or like you're married to like a 60 year old, it's not that big of a deal at that point in life.
	But at this point, I don't know.
	I mean, I don't mind it.
	I don't have anything against it, but I personally don't think I would be in a very age gap relationship.
	How old's your boyfriend?
	He's 19.
	19.
	Yeah.
	All right.
	And then what about you?
	I'm in an age gap relationship.
	Okay.
	So you're 37.
	How old's your fiance?
	He's 50.
	50.
	Yeah, he'll be 50 on Halloween.
	13, 14 years?
	13 years.
	Okay.
	And sorry, you were about to say what?
	He turns 50 on Halloween.
	On Halloween.
	Okay.
	Can you tilt your mic down just a little bit?
	And if you want, scoot into the table just to tad.
	So, okay, let's see.
	And have you had prior age gap relationships?
	No.
	The biggest gap before then was probably like five, six years tops.
	Okay.
	Got it.
	Were there any hesitations when you were initially getting into it about the age difference or no?
	Okay.
	All right.
	What about you?
	You're 33.
	Ever had an age gap relationship?
	Thoughts on age gap relationships?
	I'm okay with them.
	I've not really fully dated someone who's an age gap, but I've like been on dates with people.
	What's the oldest guy that you would date?
	Right now, 47.
	47?
	Okay.
	All right.
	Your guys' thoughts on age gap relationships for against?
	I mean, I've been with girls older than me, like 10 years older, 15 years older, and I've also been with girls younger than me.
	When it comes to like sex, you know, I don't really mind too much, but dating would be a little bit different.
	I would want to date someone that's a little bit more like closer to my mindset.
	So, I mean, when I was single, like I'm 38 now, even when I was like 36, I was still like with 23, 24, 25 year olds, but vice versa, I also had women in their mid-40s.
	So, I mean, it's not really any different.
	It was kind of the same, but if it comes to dating, then yeah, obviously I want someone within a five-year age range.
	Got it.
	Yeah, what about you?
	Yeah, I agree.
	I agree.
	I think like the closer you are together, the closer your life experience.
	And I think that usually makes for a more compatible relationships.
	Some of the best ones I've had is with people that are closer to my age.
	And then also, I've seen like, you guys have probably seen it.
	I won't drop names, but there's like some pseudo-alpha kickstreamer dudes which are in their like late 30s and they'll date 18 year olds and it just seems a bit exploitative.
	And like either way, I don't know.
	I feel like if you're exploiting the age gap a little bit too much, it's kind of like not really a vibe.
	And I feel like, yeah, you're more compatible when you're closer in terms of life experience.
	So that's what's worked for me.
	And so, yeah.
	Well, I'm not sure entirely who you're referring to.
	I do know there were like some kickstreamers where it was like below.
	Yeah, that's what I'm talking about.
	That's certainly objectionable.
	Yeah, that's the one I'm talking about.
	I'm glad you know that.
	Okay, yeah, I think I know what you're talking about.
	Did you find that a bit like that was pretty bad?
	Well, yeah, I mean, they were underage.
	So yeah, that's that's very difficult.
	That's like the darkest end of age gaps is what I'm saying.
	So it's like it can get pretty bad.
	Right, but so I mean, for the context of this conversation, obviously, I think if you're underage, objectionable.
	Yeah.
	But we're talking here adults.
	Yeah, no, I think adults, the closer you are, the better your life experience, the more compatible you most likely will be.
	So statistically.
	Let me ask you a question, Liam.
	Which, you're, how old are you again?
	36.
	36.
	In terms of, let's remove like personality, compatibility, commonality, all that.
	What age do you find most physically attractive?
	For me personally, it's hard to say because I'm surrounded by so many, we've got 700 creators that work for us.
	And I've seen people in their 30s that look better than some people who are in their 20s and vice versa.
	So it's really hard to say at what age someone is at their peak.
	Like, I mean, look, I'll give you a prime example.
	I think I peaked in my 30s.
	I wouldn't date 19-year-old me at all.
	So like, I think it's less about the age.
	It's just about how you look after yourself and at what point do you peak, you know, physically.
	Because have you seen the same?
	People peak at different ages, right?
	Sure.
	but i'm i'm thinking of it more so from like so when i think it's more like it's much more than just looks bro i think what he's trying to say is like on a on a mindset kind of level you know what i mean like what do you find most like what age generally do you find most attractive Like yeah, there's always outliers, older women, younger women, but we're just like speaking like the median, median age here.
	What would you say?
	I think when someone gets to like 29, 30, they're usually like cognitively developed pretty well.
	Yeah.
	For me, from my experience anyway.
	That's what I've seen.
	I don't know, I met a lot of...
	Are you, but...
	Yeah, but there's some extenuating factors.
	Not so cognitively developed.
	I think that depends on how hard they party in their 20s for sure.
	I mean, partying and some other stuff.
	I mean, I think intelligence is all genetic, to be honest.
	I partied like a fucking motherfucker in my 20s, but I'm still successful now, and I'm almost 40.
	So I think it just comes down to a lot of its genetics, a lot of it's hard work.
	And a lot of it is like, yeah, if you really truly want something, you'd go for it.
	You'd work hard at it, you know?
	I don't think partying or anything like that has anything to do with it, to be honest.
	I still party now.
	I'm successful as fuck.
	You know, I'm humble too.
	Very humble.
	Very humble.
	You've got to keep it real, man.
	That's just how it is, you know what I mean?
	So you feel good at what you do, you've got to praise it.
	I think humble is a fucking horrible word.
	It keeps people down here because extraordinary people always aim higher.
	So using the word humble just kind of like puts you at a level that everyone else.
	So completely.
	Don't ever say that word.
	Fuck humble.
	You should be proud of your achievements, no matter what kind of achievement.
	I'm considering it.
	Whatever you're good at.
	A slur to say humble.
	People are like, oh, be humble, bro.
	That's a good question.
	Why be humble?
	Where do you draw the line between cocky?
	That's a good question.
	It's a fine line.
	I'm not going to lie to you.
	It's a super fine line, and I tread it every day.
	I would say, look, it really depends.
	Like, you just got to be yourself.
	You know what I mean?
	Like, if you're a cocky guy, confident, humble, shy, quiet, whatever, like, it really doesn't matter.
	You just got to be you.
	And you can't be anyone other than yourself, you know.
	So someone telling you to be humble or someone telling you to be more confident, you know, you just got to be yourself.
	So, I mean, obviously, there's like, if you're to draw the line, I would probably say, like, you still got to be polite to people, you've got to be nice.
	You know, when you're making conversation with someone, you've got to look at their eyes, you've got to dress them by their name, you've got to shake hands.
	You just, like, as a man, you still have to be a gentleman, but there's nothing wrong with being confident.
	And you know what?
	A degree of cockiness is actually a good thing.
	It takes you a long way, like, it takes you a long, long way in life.
	It gets you the jobs that you want to get.
	It gets you the dates and the women that you're trying to get.
	Like, fake it till you make it kind of thing.
	Not necessarily.
	Being cocky and faking something is two different things.
	Like, you can be confident and you can be cocky, but being fake, that always shows very, very quickly.
	So you can be a confident and cocky guy, but obviously, like, you know, there's limits.
	You wouldn't, you wouldn't like, you can't be too quiet and too shy, but you can't be like overly cocky.
	But I think confidence in any of the sex is super sexy.
	It's an attractive feature.
	And I think more women and men should be confident in themselves.
	You know, we're all different.
	None of us are the same.
	Guys, girls, like we all bring different things to the table.
	So I think it's important that we celebrate that and we're confident in that.
	So just when I heard my boy say like, humble this, humble that, I'm just like, no, man.
	You shouldn't be humble.
	You should be really proud.
	You should be really proud of who you are, what you've achieved, you know.
	And your friends should be proud.
	Your family should be proud.
	So that's just my take on it.
	Curious, though, to the ladies here, would any of you who maybe bump your oldest guy you would date if it was Ryan Reynolds?
	Yes.
	Yes.
	Henry Cavill.
	Henry Cavill.
	There you go.
	All right.
	Let's see here.
	And then I guess going back to you two, I'm still looking to actually hear an argument as to why it's wrong, though.
	Hmm.
	I mean, I feel like if you're very old and you're dating, just from my experience, dating like an 18, 19-year-old, you're taking advantage of that person for sure.
	How so?
	I believe that you, the majority of people older, at least 10, 15 years older than an 18, 19-year-old, I think they do have a lot more life experience.
	I feel like it's very rare for an 18, 19-year-old to have a lot of experience unless they're a celebrity or they've come from a certain family background.
	But the majority of time, most 18, 19-year-olds are not as confident or really know themselves or what they like, what they don't like.
	And I feel like older people can take advantage of that very easily.
	How would they take advantage of that?
	Sexually or having, you know, using them as kind of arm candy or a way to kind of show off to others that they can get somebody younger.
	I don't feel like it's really in that person's best interest.
	I feel like there's something that person wants.
	That's the only thing I can come up with.
	Wait, which per the older gentleman or person or woman, too?
	I don't know.
	So, to maybe groom that person to be their perfect mate, maybe.
	You know, they're still kind of coming into their own.
	They're still figuring out who they are.
	And when you're with someone that much older, you can kind of tell them what they like.
	Just can you define what grooming is in this context?
	I would say showing somebody a life and telling them what they like by certain situations.
	Wait, so okay.
	But so couldn't this be an expectation you encounter in any relationship regardless of age?
	So don't you teach your partner your likes, your dislikes, and vice versa?
	Yes, but usually those people have their likes and dislikes already developed, not someone who's learning what they like and dislike.
	So if I'm with somebody who is around my same age and they already know what they like and dislike, we have the opportunity to be like, I don't like that, and kind of dip into the void.
	Whereas someone who's 18 and 19, like, oh, well, I've never experienced that before.
	I guess I'll try it.
	And then you get, I don't know, they get put into a situation that might not be the best for them.
	Like what?
	Hmm.
	Maybe they put their own dreams on the back burner instead of trying to develop what they feel like would be beneficial to them.
	What's wrong with that?
	Well, if the relationship doesn't work out, you're kind of SOL.
	I feel like one thing I definitely learned is always have your own money.
	Like always, always have your own money.
	Because when I was dating the older guy when I was 19, he had me quit my job so we can travel.
	And then if I didn't hear from him for a couple of days, how can I eat?
	How can I do anything?
	Was he paying you an allowance or anything like that?
	There wasn't like any show.
	If I was me now, there would have been stipulations.
	But when I was 19, I didn't ask for anything.
	I just was along for the ride.
	Wait, so hold on.
	So were you living rent-free with him?
	No.
	How long did the relationship last?
	Six months.
	Six months?
	Okay.
	So you're saying you were financially harmed because you were dating him?
	Is that your?
	I would say I wasn't looking out for my best interest.
	I stopped going to college and getting good grades.
	I kind of put this adventure that he presented to me as being the important thing when I should have made the important thing making a feature for myself.
	Couldn't this happen at any age, though?
	I don't really see how it feels.
	I'm about to say the same thing.
	I feel like at any age, it can happen.
	Like, obviously, like not to the extent of, like, saying like an 18-year-old with like a 30-year-old, but still, like, even like a 30-year-old with a 50 or 60 year old, you could still be putting a lot of your own dreams, a lot of your own interests on the back burner of a more successful, more powerful man.
	Because there is a power dynamic with the age difference, no matter whether you're 18 or whether you're 30, there's always going to be a power dynamic.
	Yeah, no, absolutely.
	And I agree with that, but I feel like as someone who is 32, I feel like I've already lived a lot of life and I can have a better life.
	Let me tell you something.
	I'm 38.
	I'm a different man than when I was when I was 32.
	You constantly changing.
	You're constantly learning new things.
	What I like now, I didn't like when I was 32.
	And I guarantee the same thing will happen to you and everyone else in this room.
	So that's just coming from a bit of older man experience here.
	Yeah, we're always changing and we're always thinking of different things.
	So yeah, just don't be too quick to think like that because it's like Brian said, it's applicable to any age.
	I feel like just in general, when there's a big power dynamic and a difference in age, it's going to happen either way.
	Whether you're 18 or whether you're 30, it's going to happen either way.
	Okay.
	So you're basically saying that you should date in your lane.
	If you're dating, yes, you should date.
	Like if you want to be in line with someone on the same morals, values, life experience, I would say date within a five-year-old.
	But if you date somebody who is more powerful than you, you should step into their lane.
	Well, that's normally what happens.
	You know, whether you like it or not, that's just what happens.
	It's the power balance, the imbalance of power, to be honest.
	When a man's like 20 years old and you has more money, has a far more advanced career than say like a 30, 25-year-old woman, it's just naturally what happens.
	The woman naturally adopts and takes on what the alpha brings to the relationship, which is a man.
	So if the man's got like, you know, more money, more assets, more life experience, then the woman is just by nature, she's just, she's going to follow.
	But would you be okay with like your partner?
	Would you support them if they wanted to do something else?
	Well, in my situation, my partner's three years younger than me.
	So she has her own career.
	I've got my own career.
	I support her.
	She supports me.
	In general, if I had a younger partner, it would be a different dynamic, to be honest.
	Because I'm successful, I feel like she wouldn't have to be following her own path.
	She could if she wanted to, but I would offer her a different life and she wouldn't have to be trying to, like, I guess, chase her own dreams and hopes because essentially she wouldn't have to work.
	You know what I mean?
	So I would offer her that.
	But if she wanted to do something else, then that's her prerogative.
	But in saying that, which is why I think it's important to date within like a five-year age range.
	So it's like you guys are at the same kind of level, you know?
	Yeah, and I totally understand that.
	But my only problem is, unless that comes to the ring, if somebody dumps you and you don't put yourself at least a little bit first, you're kind of left back where you were.
	You're back at square one.
	So what do you mean by that?
	I feel like you got to protect yourself.
	Unless you know relationships for real, you got to have your own.
	So how would you protect yourself?
	What by having a plan B?
	I would protect myself by making sure that I am investing in myself.
	So that if something, what happens if you die?
	Like, that person still wants to do that.
	I'm going to do something.
	It's always important to look after, obviously, yourself first.
	But like, I feel like when you're in a relationship, you know, if you truly love each other, not like this fake situationships and just like temporary little like flings and all that.
	If you truly love someone, you know if they're about that life and you know if they want.
	You know when you're zooming into somebody's lane hold on, you gotta let them finish.
	Oh, I apologize, it's right.
	Um, so yeah, you just want to know.
	Like you can normally tell these things.
	So i've been in many relationships.
	I can tell when a relationship genuinely isn't gonna perpetuate into anything more than just say like a relationship.
	And i've been in relationships where there've been so much more when i'm like okay cool, I could actually marry this girl and there's nothing wrong with either one, but you just you got to pick them and realize them for what they are.
	So if you're in one of those relationships and and deep down, then you, we all, have this innate like feeling in our gut.
	We can tell if this person is gonna, you know if they're gonna be around for a while, and I guess maybe i'm speaking from experience, but it's just something that you can normally pick up on after you've uh, if you've experienced it, I feel.
	By the way, really quick, we'll get back to the conversation here in just a moment.
	Uh Andrew, I don't know if you're watching the Crucible crew.
	He sent over a raid.
	He just finished up his live stream, so if you came from the Crucible uh, welcome guys, we have Chest Chest, bra.
	We've got some Australian, we've got some Aussies here.
	So let's go, baby.
	They actually don't confident, not cocky.
	They don't think Australia exists.
	A lot of these people.
	Are they serious?
	Yeah, they think it's a myth.
	It's crazy.
	They don't even get me started on American stereotypes, but shit, man.
	But all we're around, trust me, we've got lots of spiders, lots of kangaroos.
	Everybody in the chat is telling me we got to get Andrew to do a call-in.
	I mean, I don't know if you guys want Andrew on the call.
	I mean, who the fuck is Andrew?
	Andrew Wilson, he's like a frequent video call-ins.
	Is he the one on this other show?
	Yeah, and he oh, I like that dude.
	Take that back.
	I like that dude.
	He's cool.
	He's really cool.
	We were saying something positive about him on the way.
	Yeah, I was hoping he was beyond the show.
	He's pretty cool.
	We were bringing up Andrew.
	Yeah, no, we're bringing up how he's crude.
	I like him.
	No, no, we were bringing up how he stood on his moral ground on that podcast.
	Yeah, he was cool.
	He had a blow-up with that alpha male.
	Oh, Wes Watson.
	Yeah.
	And I was just like, fuck that dude.
	Yeah, me and Said were saying he stood on his moral ground in terms of valuing the quality of a good relationship and being married.
	So yeah.
	If you guys are cool with it, I know we got a full panel already, but if you guys want to do it now, we could call him in.
	Let's go, Andrew.
	Let's call us.
	Liam.
	If you want us to talk to someone who's had 21 coffees, you cool if we have him join in or how long?
	We could do the whole show.
	I mean, I mean, it's your show, Brian.
	Whatever you want to do, bro.
	Yeah.
	I've got to think.
	I'll take the pressure off.
	I can't check your responses live.
	That's all.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Well, maybe we could have him do a brief call in later.
	I need to even ask him if he can.
	I'm calling later on.
	Tom Chesbras a big fan.
	I'm a big fan.
	Yeah, I'll see.
	But we but we were literally talking about this just before.
	Let Andrew compare abs with Chesbru.
	I'm bulking, bro.
	I'm humble.
	I'm not cocky.
	I keep the shirt on.
	But I'm cocky, so that's why I'm wearing a singlet.
	But so let me ask you a question.
	You mentioned the terms grooming, exploitation, when it came to these age gap relationships.
	Couldn't you make a similar argument towards the younger woman in these cases?
	Oh, absolutely.
	Because, for example, if they're dating especially old men, typically absolutely.
	Absolutely.
	I feel like.
	So, well, I guess the point I'm trying to make here is that when the age gap is so significant, typically what you'll see from women is this is a financial angle here.
	You know, a 20, a 22-year-old dating a 32-year-old, there can be love there.
	But like, 22 dating 62, she's probably after the money.
	Yeah, not always.
	Not always.
	Maybe, but not sometimes they're just dumb, like I was.
	Wouldn't that just be predatory on their end?
	Absolutely.
	I feel like women date men just for the money all the time.
	All the time.
	Sure.
	And but so.
	Not for me, though.
	Been there, done that.
	But so then who's the more predatory one when it comes to these age gap relationships?
	Like, is it predatory, for example?
	Let's say there's a 22-year-old and she's got her eye on Ryan Reynolds, who is how old's Ryan?
	He's like 48 or 45 or something.
	Is he really?
	Let me see.
	He's 47.
	Or he turns 47, 48 in three days, October 23rd.
	Like, wouldn't it be predatory on the young girl's age, the 22-year-old woman, to be going after Ryan Reynolds?
	Oh, absolutely.
	Because I feel like at that point, it's like preemptive.
	It's like a strike on getting that person.
	Yeah, it's like you're thinking about like, Unless you're meeting somebody organically, I feel like you're kind of going into it with a certain purpose, and that would definitely be predatory.
	Like if you've seen that guy and you go, or let's say somebody goes up to you and you weren't with your current girlfriend, and they're like, I know you, I know the money that you make.
	That is completely predatory.
	Completely predatory.
	Wait, a female?
	Yes, a female.
	Yeah.
	I don't know.
	I wouldn't think that, to be honest.
	I feel like it's like the males that could be a bit predatory, but I don't know.
	I can't see a female trying to put her on me and then trying to pick me up for my...
	I don't know.
	I'm just, I can't see that, to be honest.
	I can see it from a man's point of view, but it's just, how often have you seen a woman who's older than a man and dating a man and she's got more power and more money than the guy and she's putting on the guy and she's got all the power?
	Like, can you guys name any relationship like that?
	I don't know.
	I'm a bit old school.
	I think it's the men that can be a bit predatory.
	I don't know if a woman can actually.
	I don't know.
	just don't see it to be honest okay you mean like an older woman going after a younger yeah like a cougar She's got lots of money.
	Single divorced woman has all of her ex-husband's money.
	And she's dating younger men who are broke and poor.
	That could be, okay, sure.
	That could probably be predatory.
	But how often do we see that?
	I think it's more so for the men.
	It's more common.
	Certainly.
	It's more common for men.
	It's much more common.
	So I just think that's something that we see more in men.
	But obviously, like there's always outlaws.
	But I'm speaking for the majority here.
	So I think majority-wise, it's probably more like a male-dominated thing than a female.
	I don't disagree with you.
	I think it's definitely more common in that way.
	But I think there's just in general a tendency for women, even if there's not like an age gap, like a big age gap, for women to date a little bit older, like one, two, three years.
	That's like tends to be the norm.
	Pretty normal.
	Like, we have, you guys are all 18.
	I don't know if you see.
	Yeah, how old's your boyfriend?
	18.
	Okay, well, you guys are 18.
	Your boyfriends are all nine, or you two, boyfriends are 19.
	There'll be like smaller age gaps like that, 18 to 19, 18 to 20, 19 to 21, these sorts of things.
	I think it's just more common in general.
	Women tend to date up a little bit in terms of age.
	And I think the average age of marriage, if you compare between men and women, like women, it's 28, I think.
	And men, it's a bit older.
	I think it's 30.
	So I think it's just kind of common in general to see this.
	this is probably because maturity also it's not I don't think it's a one directional thing I don't think it's one directional thing where you have, like, these men, they just want to date younger.
	It seems like we'll see Leo dating.
	Leo DiCaprio.
	Yeah, that's a good thing.
	He has a rule.
	He's like 25 and you're out off.
	25 cut off.
	Oh, man.
	We'll get to the rest of the pre-show notes here.
	So going back to you here, let's see.
	You said, hold on one sec.
	Let me get this pulled up.
	You're a small town Switch that jumped into this crazy world of love, sex, and fetishes.
	I've been fulfilling fantasies for over two years now.
	It's exciting and thrilling.
	I'll be posting my sexcapades and explorations.
	Okay.
	That's interesting.
	Small town Switch.
	What does that mean?
	It means a switch is basically somebody who...
	Can be both dominant and submissive.
	Is that what you're talking about?
	Okay.
	And you're from a small town?
	Yeah.
	Where?
	Yeah.
	Reno.
	Oh, okay.
	Reno.
	Reno Sriracha.
	All right.
	And you also in your pre-show notes, let's see here.
	Modern dating can be complicated, but I think people overcomplicate it by trying to force relationships that don't align with their true selves.
	It's okay to be picky about your needs and boundaries.
	That's a good thing.
	Let's go into that.
	We're going to open this up to the entire panel.
	So, do you consider yourself picky?
	Go ahead.
	Yeah.
	I don't like guys that are boring.
	It's not so much how much money somebody makes, though it does help.
	But I really like a guy who can make me laugh and who every day is an adventure.
	And it doesn't have, it can be, I don't know, watch movies and stuff.
	Every day is an adventure.
	Yeah, even if it's a small adventure.
	I just, I like somebody who can keep my attention.
	I get bored really easily.
	You get bored really easily.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	For the other girls at the panel here, do you get bored really easily with guys?
	Yes.
	Or you said that yes.
	Sometimes, yeah.
	Yeah.
	You get bored.
	Didn't you say you got bored with your guy?
	Bored.
	Not really.
	I date.
	I date cool people.
	Okay.
	Bored.
	Bored.
	No, no.
	Okay.
	I don't get the whole like, why y'all look into us to be your entertainment?
	You know what?
	Have you heard of a Netflix?
	That is true.
	You want to be entertained.
	Watch Netflix.
	Nobody.
	No, you're right about that.
	I think maybe instead of them being like entertaining, I mean more someone who grows with you.
	I feel like the boring part comes from men who maybe they stop progressing in their life.
	I like somebody who is always looking to do the next thing, whether that be in their business or vacation or learning something new.
	I feel like having somebody who continues to grow is super important because otherwise I just feel stagnant if we're just doing the same stuff all the time.
	Is it up to them to make all the plans or do you?
	Oh, no, I make plans too.
	So it's not just all on them.
	No, no, no.
	No, it's definitely not all on them.
	I feel like women should bring a lot to the table as well as men.
	I feel like a lot of women, I feel like they get it a little easy where they just kind of feel like they can just sit back in the relationship and it's all the guy doing everything.
	Like I feel like romance is about both parties, making each other's dreams come true.
	And for the bored thing, you said you get bored?
	Well, I agree with her.
	I get what she's saying about like growing because I feel like if you get stuck in the same like cycle with your partner, it gets boring after a while.
	Like some people might like a routine, but I would like what she said about growing like with a person and experiencing things with them like that, I would say that I got bored.
	So you got bored?
	What's going on with the being bored?
	I don't know.
	It just happens, you know?
	You just get bored.
	You get bored of them.
	Yeah, you just get bored of them.
	Like they're boring.
	Not like they're boring.
	It's just like together, it's like, it's just like, okay, we're boring.
	You know?
	It's just not exciting.
	We're not doing anything.
	Nothing's exciting about you.
	Yeah.
	So what would like an ideal non-boring relationship look like?
	I don't know.
	Just like having hobbies together, doing activities.
	Yeah.
	And you didn't do that with any of your previous people.
	No, not my most recent ex.
	No.
	What would you guys do?
	Like go to the beach, watch movies.
	Sounds great.
	That's really it.
	Food, beach, movies.
	Yeah, but there's only so much food, beach, movies.
	You want to do your best?
	Yeah, exactly.
	Well, you get stuck in that cycle.
	That's what I was talking about.
	The cycle of being boring.
	The cycle of being boring.
	You got to keep it spicy.
	Yes.
	That's it.
	Keep it spicy.
	You got to keep it spicy.
	It's just, what's kind of crazy to me, and you too, right?
	You get bored.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, just like people talk about like the honeymoon phase or whatever, and then it kind of just gets into like the same old thing all the time.
	Metro Matt donated $200.
	Youngins, don't get tainted by the ideals of methane and chairwar methane.
	She's prime example of what not to do.
	I think, yeah, you got some, we got four 18-year-olds here, you know.
	Metro mad thing for the TTS, appreciate it.
	You were saying?
	Yeah, it's just like once you get past that stage, then people get like comfortable and it's just like it's not as exciting anymore.
	That's kind of what I mean in boring.
	Like, it's not exciting.
	It's not like, like, when it's new, it's really exciting, but there's also like people that can still make it feel new like every day.
	Like, that's what I'm saying.
	You've been in a relationship for one year, right?
	Yeah, it's like, it's not.
	Yeah, it's still really exciting.
	Like, I never get bored of him.
	Like, it's just always fun and like lighthearted, but still, like, sparks, I guess, I'd say.
	I mean, I'm gonna have to join in with the females in this one.
	I can't do fucking boring either.
	Like, I've had pretty girls in the past that were dead shit, bat shit, boring, and quiet.
	Quiet is the worst when they're super quiet when they don't talk.
	Yes.
	So I think again.
	I gotta disagree with you on this one.
	That's fine, bro.
	I'm a fan of the introverted, a bit more quiet.
	I mean, you know what I mean?
	It depends on the person.
	Like, if you're a quiet guy, then obviously you might want a quiet person.
	I like to talk a lot.
	Sometimes I don't fucking stop talking, you know?
	I can't shut up.
	So I want someone who is not like quiet and introverted and shy and boring.
	I want someone who can like, they don't have to match my energy, but I just want someone who's interesting.
	Because I can't do boring.
	I've left girls in the past and they'll drop shit, fucking batshit beautiful, like so pretty, but they're just so fucking boring.
	Well, let me ask you.
	And I would literally tell them, like, I can't be with you because you're boring.
	Like, I'll just tell them.
	And your current girlfriend, would you say she's more introverted or extroverted?
	She's very extroverted.
	And then one question on the boring thing.
	Otherwise, I wouldn't be with her.
	But when you say boring, like, I'm assuming you're not talking about quarreling, quarrel, like conflict, right?
	No, not conflict.
	Because some people like.
	I'm more talking about like just, you know, just having fun.
	Yeah, yeah, because there's lots of girls out there that just don't really have fun or don't know how to get down and dirty.
	I like to do lots of fun things like fucking go rock climbing and then just fucking, I don't know, just all crazy shit, man, like skateboarding and snowboarding.
	Like I like to do fun shit.
	So if a girl doesn't like to dive into the activities that I like, I think she's boring.
	So I like extreme sports.
	I like to go to the gym.
	If a girl doesn't like to train or doesn't look after her fitness or doesn't do any kind of like movement, whether it's gym, tap, ballet, whatever, then I find them boring.
	find someone who's just in a routine and it doesn't get out of their routine boring so i don't think there's no growth yeah so i'm i'm with the girls on this one I don't think it's a male or a female thing.
	I've been in that situation where I've left plenty of women because they're super boring.
	You know what I mean?
	So that's one thing I look for now, someone that can stimulate me mentally and physically.
	I left one girl for that reason too.
	She was so boring.
	We used to call her the bubblegum princess because all she wanted to do was bang and eat candy and bubblegum.
	But like she was as boring one second.
	Bubblegum pronounced.
	No, she was as intellectually deep as a puddle.
	Like I would come home from work and I'd be like, oh, I had the worst day.
	And she's like, no.
	Like, do you want to know what happened?
	She goes, no.
	I'm like, okay.
	Because queen is bang.
	I'm like, and then you want to eat more bubblegum?
	Yeah, for real.
	Wait, hold on.
	She eats bubblegum, like the candy.
	She's candy under her bed with like little snacks and bubblegum.
	How was her teeth?
	They look really nice.
	And she used to watch Disney all the time and she was like 28.
	I'm like, it's the most bizarre thing ever.
	Sometimes I would be on the way there and have to come up with an excuse to leave.
	I would like preload leaving excuses.
	I'd be like, I have to go.
	But then she broke up with me.
	I'm like, how are you even smart enough to know how to do that?
	She was preemptive.
	She knew you were going to dump her.
	She was like, I got to get rid of this guy first.
	What I'm saying is, I was so bored, and it was just not fun.
	So, everyone, try new things if you want to be popular in the dating world.
	I mean, I jumped on this podcast because I was bored.
	Well, I was literally like, I'm bored.
	I'm going to do this.
	I'm going to be in LA.
	What about you, boring?
	What do you think?
	What do you think, Brian?
	What do you think about what I said?
	Like, honestly, in terms of being on the same level with activities and mindset, like, you could be like, someone can be boring, and that might not be a definitive, like, no for you in terms of dating, but I mean, for sure, it is for me.
	You know, someone can be boring mentally.
	They might be stupid.
	They might not even be able to hold them.
	Hold the conversation.
	They might just be dumb and pretty.
	That's boring to me, too.
	Yeah, well, I mean, first off, I recognize people obviously have different preferences, and then that's going to be influenced based on kind of your own personality dispositions.
	If you're more on the extroverted side, you might be more appreciative of somebody who's a bit more extroverted.
	If you're more outdoorsy, you'll want somebody who matches up with you there.
	If you're more like homebody, you're probably going to get along better with somebody who's more of a homebody.
	Me personally, and I think there's nothing wrong with your preferences at all.
	We all have our own preferences.
	I certainly prefer more introverted women.
	I consider myself more introverted.
	Shy.
	A little shy is always good.
	Homebody is good.
	Yeah, I don't want to go on hikes, you know?
	Probably why I gained a bunch of weight, but that's another conversation.
	But no, I don't like, you know, because the thing is, I'm so busy, right?
	The thing with not all women, but some women, you get a little bit of free time.
	This is a Bill Burr bit.
	They just want to like, sometimes you just want a little bit of peace.
	They want to fill shit in, you know, for like the free time.
	Oh, let's go to brunch.
	I'm not going.
	I can't do brunch.
	I can't even do a linear.
	I can't do linear.
	I can't do brunch.
	They got to fill in that empty.
	Can you just chill?
	I've actually not experienced that too much with any of my relationships because it's kind of my way.
	Yeah.
	I get that.
	I'm the same, dude.
	I'm the same.
	It's my way or the highway.
	But it's not being the bus as well.
	Yeah.
	When I got with my partner, I told her, I'm going, listen, I'm going to do like, I have like the next four or five years planning doing bodybuilding competitions, and I have to go through like a bodybuilding prep.
	And I like to hang out with the boys, and I still like to smoke weed, and I still like to do all this shit.
	I'm a boys' boy, you know?
	Like, I can't say anything bad, but no home at erectus, but I like to hang out.
	I like to hang out.
	I like to hang out with the boys, you know.
	I'm a boys' boy.
	I like to hang out with my mates and have fun, play video games, smoke weed, kick back.
	So if I had a partner that would try to take that away from me and just make me resent them.
	So I still like to do that boy shit.
	When I'm fucking married one day, I want to have a man cave.
	I want to disappear in there with my dogs and video games.
	No, no, no, no.
	You get more than a man cave.
	You can't be like this.
	It would be a mad palace, brother.
	Yeah, you can't be like you're relegated to one room and the rest of the house is your wife.
	No, that's what I like.
	I want a huge ship.
	Lava lamps, pool tables, beanbags.
	I'm like a boys boy, bro.
	I like that shit.
	You know what I mean?
	Foosball.
	It's too foozol.
	Foosball.
	And yeah, just shit like that, man.
	So, I mean, I guess that's just where I'm at.
	Like, they got to be back to what I was saying before I diverge too much, but they just got to be interesting, man.
	And I think what you said was right, Brian.
	Like, it just got to match your energy.
	So, like, I mean, if you're a quiet dude, obviously, you're not going to want an out there crazy girl.
	And vice versa.
	You know, if you're a bit extroverted, you'd probably want someone who's extroverted.
	I've been with introverted women and they're fucking boring.
	Half the time, I didn't even know if they liked me.
	I was like, one time I was with this introverted girl, and we went on like two dates, and I had no idea if she liked me or not.
	And then by the end of it, I was like, listen, you seem like a nice girl, but I don't think this is going anywhere.
	I don't think I'm the type of guy for you.
	Like, we could just stay friends.
	And then she messaged me.
	I was like, no, no, no, I do like you.
	I do like you.
	I'm like, what the fuck?
	You don't even say a word when I hang out with you.
	You don't say anything.
	You don't talk.
	You don't converse.
	You don't have to do that.
	That sounds perfect.
	No.
	Sign me up.
	I'll send her your way, bro.
	She's in my DM somewhere from a few years ago.
	But yeah, no, man.
	And I just found that, like, I don't know.
	It was really weird for me.
	It was really strange.
	I'm like, how can you like me?
	You can't even speak to me.
	Like, what the fuck?
	Like, it was just weird.
	Maybe she was a fan.
	And she was.
	She probably was.
	She might have been nervous, man.
	I mean, dude, I'm chill, man.
	There's nothing to be nervous about.
	Did she slide into your DMs?
	Is that how you guys?
	I can't remember.
	I might have slid into hers, actually.
	Oh, oh.
	Yeah, I might have slid into hers.
	Oh.
	And then we'll hang it out.
	And then, yeah, she was just.
	She's just dull.
	She's dull.
	Just boring.
	Oh, I love dull.
	Very boring.
	No, very boring.
	No.
	It's great.
	Seems no.
	Okay, what would you do?
	I mean, you're in a relationship, right?
	So what do you do with your boyfriend?
	Well, it's very different from my last relationship.
	I felt like I planned a lot of stuff and I wasn't getting like the same treatment back.
	So I really wanted to find someone who like matches my energy and wants to do the same things I do and like puts in the same effort that I give instead of like me doing everything.
	So we go to the gym together.
	That's like one thing that we do constantly.
	Like something that he likes that I'll like, okay, I have to do it with you.
	And then just like the beach, I mean, there's so much to do in Santa Barbara.
	So we're constantly like, we go to the zoo.
	We just like spontaneously like we drove.
	I don't think you go to the zoo though.
	Well, we just went once.
	Once a year.
	No, I get it.
	But like.
	It's like a once a decade.
	Yeah.
	Like you go to the zoo, you've seen it.
	What else is there to do at the zoo?
	I don't know.
	I don't know.
	Look at the animals.
	Yeah.
	It was, I'm just saying, like, we just do things like out of the blue.
	Like, we drove to like my hometown.
	It was like a seven-hour drive for like no reason.
	That does.
	Well, it was fun.
	I'm sorry.
	So, okay.
	It wasn't that bad, but I'm just saying, like, we do things just like for fun.
	We don't like to just like sit around.
	Like, it is nice.
	Like, I get sitting around and having your free time, but like going to dinners and stuff and like hanging out, like bonding friend groups.
	I think that that's important.
	I was probably a little more when I was younger.
	What did you do for fun, Brian?
	When I was younger?
	Yeah, like even now.
	Surfing.
	Even now, surfing.
	Surfing.
	Yeah, but I don't want to take a girl.
	No offense.
	No, what if she's like, yeah, I get that.
	Okay, cool.
	If you're doing an activity with somebody and their skill level is like, I can't bring her out on like a double overhead day and she's going to fucking drown.
	She's got to know.
	Yeah, okay.
	Yeah, you know, but so, and that was my thing.
	It was like, I feel you on that one.
	I would, you know, I could take her out once or twice on a small day and teach her how to surf.
	But then like when I want to go surf, you can't come with.
	That's like the beach.
	That's like my girlfriend.
	We went to the snow like a few months ago.
	Snowboarding?
	Yeah.
	So I taught her.
	I didn't teach her, but I just took her into the sports.
	So she started skiing and I was snowboarding and she's like, she's not that good.
	So I'm just like, babe, like, you just learn on this mountain.
	I'm going to go do like some black runs and diamond runs and all this other stuff.
	And then by the end of the day, she was just able to go down like a basic mountain.
	And then she's so cute.
	She's like, oh, I want to book a snow trip for us and everything.
	We'll go for a whole week.
	And I'm just thinking in my head, fuck, I'm going to have to spend like the whole week either just ditching you and doing my own runs or like staying on this like the little tiny little run when my skill level is like pretty high.
	So we came to a conclusion.
	I'm like, why don't you like do a few lessons, learn or go up with like one of your girlmates who also skis, learn a bit, get on like a decent level, then we can do it.
	I have no quarrels about that.
	If you get like, you don't have to be as good as I'm a great snowboarder.
	I've only snowboarded like four times in my life, but I can already fucking like I'm a gun at it because I used to skateboard when I was younger.
	So I told her like just get to like a level where we can both go down a mountain together and you know that'll be fucking enjoyable.
	Why wouldn't you want to do that with your partner?
	I'd rather do that with my girlfriend than with a bunch of guys, you know what I mean?
	Especially if she can get on my skill level.
	That'd be fucking mad.
	Hey, let me know.
	I'll teach her.
	I grew up skiing.
	Oh, you can skip.
	I'm a school ski team.
	I raced in high school.
	There you go.
	There you go.
	We want to do some trips in Canada and we want to do some trips in Japan.
	But she's still learning the ropes now.
	She picked it up after two, three days.
	But I think she's still at least one season away from being able to go down a mountain.
	Yeah.
	I mean, I'm not that good at a snowboarder either, but I picked it up very quick.
	Like in about a week, just going down the black runs, the diamond runs.
	So yeah, that's good.
	I can't wait to do it again.
	Just go straight, don't hit trees.
	We don't have any trees in Australia.
	We didn't have any of that.
	Yeah, it's just... So perfect.
	Just go straight.
	Yeah, it's easy.
	Unfortunately, you have to fall a few times before you learn, you know?
	You have to just get used to falling, get used to hurting yourself.
	And then when you get used to it, that's how you learn.
	Like, I stacked it at least 100 times on my first two, three days.
	My mates left me.
	I went with a group of boys and they left me.
	They're just like, fuck, you suck, dude.
	So they left me on the mountain on my own.
	That's how you get better.
	Yeah, they left me on the chicken run.
	They're like, you suck, dude.
	Just do your own thing.
	And then by the end of the two days, I was like, I was a fucking gun.
	So I intend to do the same with my partner.
	Just like, let her learn and then let's go do it together.
	We have a chat here from Pelagic.
	He says, are all Aussies as boring and simpy?
	Do you guys want to respond to this accusation?
	You little fucking incel poof.
	Come say that out of here, bro.
	Go check out my Instagram, brother.
	Say it Segevic.
	Far from boring, my man.
	Pelagic.
	Who is Super Pelican?
	Probably some incel with a fucking neck bead sitting behind his laptop to a little bit.
	Oh, Pelagic.
	Brother, my arms, brother, my arms are probably the size of your legs.
	Probably someone who's Pelagic.
	They're boring.
	They're probably boring.
	Well, thank you, Pelagic, for the super chat.
	I guess you and Chessbra are going to fight now.
	Go check out my Instagram.
	Say it underscore Segevic.
	Tell me if I'm boring, bro.
	Oh, shit.
	Okay.
	Never heard boring.
	Ever.
	You can hide it.
	Oh, it's cheeks.
	Okay.
	Cocky, arrogant, funny, silly.
	Super boring.
	I have a question going around the table on the whole boring thing really quick.
	Would you rather be with a boring guy, but there is never any conflict arguing or with a really fun, entertaining, interesting guy, but there's constant conflict in arguing.
	You go first.
	I would still pick the conflict.
	The conflict, drama.
	Okay.
	I would pick conflict.
	The conflict.
	Okay.
	Maybe I would pick boring because in my previous relationship, we didn't fight at all.
	And I wouldn't say that it was boring, but it was like good.
	Like, he was still fun.
	But in this situation, I would stay with boring.
	Yeah.
	Okay, so boring, no conflict.
	All right.
	What about you?
	Probably conflict.
	Conflict, okay.
	Conflict as well.
	Conflict, okay.
	Give me the peace.
	Peace?
	All right.
	All right.
	What about you?
	Which do you pick?
	Fuck.
	You put me on the spot in this one.
	I don't know.
	They both suck.
	If you got to pick one.
	Boring, I guess.
	I've got too much shit going on.
	Yeah, I needed the pace.
	Yeah, I have to pace to do it.
	I'll take the boring.
	I couldn't deal with my job with drama.
	I picked boring.
	That's the first thing I thought of.
	I thought, how's my career going to get impacted?
	With a toxic girl or a boring girl?
	I'm like, I'll take boring.
	Imagine you try to do this podcast.
	You find it boring.
	Why?
	Why is it not finished?
	You didn't like a podcast.
	You didn't like my photo on Instagram.
	What the fuck?
	Do you like her?
	What are you married podcast?
	Yep.
	Yep.
	Yeah, boring.
	Yeah, I got boring.
	Agreed.
	Agreed.
	So wait, going around.
	I think we were going around the table on, are you picky?
	So I think you were kind of starting to answer, why don't we also, so are you picky?
	And then if so, or even if not, what do you want a guy to bring to the table?
	What does a guy need to bring to the table to get you?
	So if you want to just restate some of your things.
	I like somebody who grows, someone who's funny.
	I love to laugh, even if it's at my own expense.
	Laughter is the best thing in the whole world.
	So if he can't make me laugh, I can't do it.
	And as far as like bringing things to the table, definitely somebody when you go into them, they are your home, no matter where you're at.
	That's what I just want.
	It doesn't matter if you're rich, poor, whatever.
	I just want to feel like I'm home when I'm with you.
	All right.
	Are you picky?
	I feel like I'm not picky.
	However, I do see commonalities between like the people I date.
	I think that they're usually funny.
	They usually like video games, stuff like that.
	That's just I enjoy as well.
	Going outdoors.
	And then, so for the what do they need to bring to the table question, you can include things like humor.
	Yeah, so personality and then like physical traits too.
	If you, if you need a guy who's tall or ripped or whatever, shredded.
	I don't think I like long hair, but sliced.
	No, I don't have physical traits.
	Aesthetic as fuck.
	Aesthetic.
	Myron aesthetics.
	You Marin Games, bro?
	You Myron?
	What about you?
	Wait, sorry.
	What was the question?
	Oh, sorry.
	Are you picky?
	Oh, yeah.
	Yeah, are you picky?
	In.jpg.
	And then what?
	Oh, are you picky?
	And then what does a guy need to bring to the table to get you?
	It could be personality, it could be looks.
	He has to be six foot tall, whatever it is.
	I do think that I'm picky sometimes.
	I think it depends because the people who have come into my life have come in like not like forced.
	It's like been a very natural way.
	So it's not like I'm really like looking for someone.
	Right.
	And as like most of the guys all are gym heads are my weakness.
	I really like guys who go to the gym.
	They have to be tall, less short.
	I don't like short men.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	And then just basic personality traits, just like funny, like home.
	I like that.
	But yeah, mostly gym head.
	That's my thing.
	Shit, gym head.
	Yeah.
	Is your boyfriend shredded?
	Yeah.
	I would say.
	All right.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	Okay.
	I don't think I'm picky like with like physical traits, but maybe with like personality and stuff.
	Like don't be boring.
	Don't be boring.
	Yeah.
	I already said that.
	Okay, so they can be short and fat, but it's not.
	Oh, okay.
	Well, okay.
	Maybe like tall, taller than me, which isn't that hard.
	I'll tell you.
	5'2.
	Okay, so 5'3?
	No, okay, probably like...
	I would like prefer like Bare minimum Okay.
	Like 5'9.
	And then you said you would prefer?
	Prefer like 6'3, 6' somewhere in that range.
	Watch!
	6'3, 6'4.
	Yeah.
	My ex was 6'5, so.
	He's short.
	Damn.
	And you're 5'3?
	Yeah.
	Wait, okay, 5'2, but you'd prefer 6'3, 6'4?
	Yes.
	It's always like that, though.
	I've noticed like the shorter girls, like the super tall guys.
	That is a really good observation.
	Like the girls who are like 5'4 to like even taller, like they're kind of like a little more forgiving, but like the 5'feet, 5'0.
	Honestly, I think it's like a biological thing.
	I think they just don't want to have manlet kids, the kids.
	Little manlets.
	Manlets.
	You gotta make up.
	They gotta make up.
	Yeah, of course.
	5'2 ⁇ , 6'4 because what, like 6'?
	Yeah, I think that's how the math plays out.
	But, okay, all right.
	Any other traits?
	I mean, have to be like attracted to you, but I don't really have it.
	No.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	All right.
	What about you?
	I mean, I wouldn't say I'm really picky when it comes to looks.
	I look more in like personality and I'd rather someone have a good personality than be like picture perfect.
	But obviously looks don't matter and like you have to be taller than me by like a pretty good amount and like I don't know.
	Obviously I have to be attracted to you in some way but I'd rather like look into someone's personality than their looks.
	And wait, taller than you by a so how tall are you?
	I'm 5'3 so like 5'10.
	Okay, that's minimum 5'10.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	And how tall is your boyfriend?
	He's 5'11.
	5'11?
	5'11, yeah.
	All right, so 5'9 can't do it.
	Yeah, I don't know.
	Can't do it.
	Probably not.
	5'9 is super manlit, bro.
	Super manly.
	Okay.
	Can't do it.
	5'9?
	5'9?
	Can do it or can't?
	Can do it.
	Can do it, probably.
	But prefer 6'4, 6'3.
	You guys are lucky.
	I am 5'9.
	I need 6' and above.
	Yeah, same.
	Can I leave the tall guys for the tall girls?
	Yeah, please.
	And then are you picky?
	What does a guy need to bring to the table?
	I'm not really very picky.
	Strong communication is huge.
	And I am a little superficial, and then I would like somebody a little taller than me.
	How tall?
	I'm 5'9, 5'10.
	Okay, so how tall do you want?
	My fiancé's 5'11, and that's perfect.
	Oh, okay.
	So just taller than you.
	They're just taller than me.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	I don't think I'm that picky.
	I want someone who likes sports and likes to be outside.
	I'm 5'11, so my height are taller, but not really.
	It's fine if they're my height.
	Okay, so 5'11, your height are taller.
	So 6' that's fine.
	Six foot's fine.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	All right.
	And now that we've gone around the table for you guys in terms of what you want a guy to bring to the table, what do you bring to the table?
	I think I bring a lot of fun, a lot of freedom, a lot of understanding, communication.
	I like shooting for success.
	I'm very busy, but I also am not someone who feels like, oh, if you've been working all day, we need to do this or that.
	I'm not naggy.
	Like, you know, do what you need to do.
	Go where you need to go.
	Go hang out with the boys.
	Go on a boy vacation.
	Like, I don't, that stuff doesn't bother me.
	I don't even care if like my guy hits on a girl because like I like girls too.
	So bring him over.
	I don't know.
	I'm just, I feel like I bring someone that you can grow with and be successful with because I'm down.
	I'm down for it.
	We want to start a new business.
	Let's go.
	We want to travel.
	We want to save up and go to Japan.
	Let's go.
	Let's make our dreams come true.
	So.
	What about you?
	I feel like I bring care.
	I bring attention to my partner.
	I support them and I want them to be their best version of themselves.
	I'm an adventurous person, so I typically tend to push people to do things more adventurous and get them out of like their boundary that they're usually in.
	What do you bring to the table?
	I would say I'm super extroverted, so I love like hanging out with friends and like being around their friends.
	And I think it's important that I bond with his friends so they like like me in a sense so I can like feel connected to him.
	I cook a lot.
	That's like my form of love language is like cooking for the other person.
	And yeah, I would say that I'm very like relaxed as a partner.
	Like I don't really need to be texting them all the time if they're out or whatever and like spamming their phone.
	Like I just don't really care that much about like what they're doing because I trust them.
	I think like trust is really big.
	All right.
	Have you guys tried her food?
	Is it any good?
	Yes.
	They actually have.
	I cooked for all of them when their guys spent the night at my house.
	All right.
	What do you bring to the table?
	Okay, I think I'm like a good listener and like yeah, I don't really know what else.
	That's it.
	Come on, what you got?
	Okay.
	I don't know.
	I mean, I'm nice.
	I'm funny.
	Yeah.
	Just pretty normal, honestly.
	I don't think I'm like that crazy.
	Question.
	It depends.
	You're not that crazy.
	Yeah.
	Like, I'm like.
	Just a bit.
	Yeah.
	It depends.
	Tell us about how you're a little crazy.
	Well, okay.
	Oh, God.
	Okay.
	Slashing tires.
	Oh, no, no, no.
	Not that crazy, but like.
	Burning clothes.
	Not even that crazy.
	Just like.
	Domestic abuse.
	Domestic violence.
	No, maybe I would like text like a parent, like a significant other's like parent if like they did something bad.
	Yeah.
	Oh, wait, wait, no, no, no.
	Clip it, boys.
	Flip it and ship it.
	Oh, no, no, no.
	Flip it and ship it.
	No, no.
	You've heard it here first.
	Oh, God.
	No, I just mean like, okay, like, I literally did this with my ex.
	He like cheated on me, and so I texted his mom.
	And said your son cheated.
	No, I was just like, oh, like, watch out for like the next girl that like, that comes into his life because he's like a pathological liar.
	So.
	Damn.
	Okay.
	What do you got?
	All right.
	That's what I bring to the table.
	I don't think that's too, that's not too crazy, right?
	I mean, unless the rest of the world is.
	That's why I said a little bit crazy, not like that.
	Did you also like No Oh, no.
	There's more?
	No, no.
	Oh, okay.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Okay, wait, I do bring more to the table.
	This person's calling me boring, but.
	Hello.
	What you got?
	I just can't think of it.
	I don't know.
	I'm a good listener.
	I'm nice.
	I'm funny.
	I'll like do I'm like pretty selfless.
	Like, if you need something for me to do, I can do it.
	Pretty selfless.
	Wait, question on the good listener thing.
	So when you're with a guy, you can even maybe going back to your ex-boyfriend or whatever.
	Who is the talking?
	Like, is it kind of 50-50?
	Do you talk more?
	do they talk more where do you um i don't know I think probably I probably talk more.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Good listener.
	Okay.
	All right.
	What about you?
	What do you bring to the table?
	I would say like excitement and like adventure.
	Like I always try to like plan, not even plan.
	Like we both try to like plan trips and not just like sit around and do nothing as much as we can.
	And like I'm always down for just like kind of anything like spontaneously and like, yeah.
	You said excitement and adventure.
	Yeah.
	So what's like, you're in a relationship.
	What is something recently you've done that's exciting?
	Two weeks ago, it was like coming up to my birthday and we just like wanted something to do for the weekend.
	So we planned a trip with like seven of our friends to rent an Airbnb and Joshua Tree and we drove over there like the day after we like just talked about it.
	It was just like spontaneous and fun and something we could like do with all of our friends like in that kind of sense like stuff like that.
	Okay.
	And then I'm assuming that also describes, you said adventures you like.
	Like stuff like, yeah.
	I don't know.
	Okay.
	Anything else you bring to the table?
	I think I'm pretty funny.
	Like I'm always making my partner laugh.
	I think we're always having a really good time together.
	And like, I don't know, even if it's just like sarcastic, funny, like, it's just, yeah.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	I'm very supportive.
	Supportive?
	For my fiancé, because he is such a hard worker, I try to bring as much peace to the home so that he's, there's like no craziness, no fighting.
	Yeah.
	If there's any tensions, you just discuss it like adults.
	Picking up where he can't around the house and stuff.
	So just being a good, supportive woman.
	Okay.
	What do you bring to the table?
	I like to go on adventures and I like to go out and just, I don't know.
	Does he have to plan the adventure?
	Not always.
	Oh, okay.
	I mean, sometimes it's like.
	I don't know if that would be bringing anything to the table.
	Like, you like to receive adventure.
	From like, hey, let's go skydiving.
	Is that like bringing something to the table, you know?
	I don't know.
	It's like I receive the adventure.
	I don't bring the adventure.
	I receive the adventure.
	No, like, I like to have ideas.
	This is what I bring to the table.
	Okay.
	All right.
	That's fair.
	Okay.
	Anything else?
	I like to be very supportive.
	I am supportive.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	I'm good at communicating and I like to cook.
	Cook clean.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, Lord, thank you for the gifted 10 subs, man.
	Appreciate it.
	We have a chat here.
	We'll get right back into this, but I have a chat here from, oh, it's going to take a sec to come through.
	Oh, what was I going to ask?
	Laugh.
	Hmm.
	Does your girlfriend make you laugh?
	Yeah, all the time.
	Yeah?
	Yeah, she's a funny bitch.
	Absolutely funny bitch.
	I could say bitch, right?
	Of course I can.
	Oh, you're asking me if I'm not afraid of it.
	I don't know.
	It's your show, bro.
	You can say it.
	All those words we couldn't say before the show?
	Yeah, you can say it.
	Bitch is alright.
	I thought you were asking, like, is it okay to say in general?
	Nah, no.
	I say bitch all the time.
	She's a mad.
	Thank you, Lord.
	Like, for all of you that don't understand, when you say like a mad or like a sick cunt or mad cunt, it's like a compliment.
	It's like an ultimate compliment from an auspicious.
	It's like saying like you're a legend or you're cool.
	So yeah, if you say like you're a sick bitch, it's a compliment.
	If you say like you're a sad bitch, it's definitely not a compliment.
	Not a compliment.
	It's an episode of the bat.
	We have Smithers here.
	Oh, I'll get that pulled back up.
	He says, would you rather have a six-foot guy with a crappy personality or a 5'7 guy who treats you with the respect a woman deserves?
	Oh my God, give me the 5'7 guy.
	5'7?
	Which one do you pick?
	Thank you, Smithers.
	It's a tough one.
	Uh-oh.
	Oh my God.
	I honestly would have to say six foot with a bad personality.
	But the 5'7 is still taller than you.
	I cannot with the short.
	I can't do it.
	It's like such a trigger.
	No, I can't.
	You can't?
	No.
	Sorry, how tall are you again?
	5'3.
	5'3 ⁇ .
	And you said the, what is the maximum or minimum or whatever?
	I didn't say.
	I would say minimum has to be 5'10.
	5'10.
	Yeah.
	So 5'9, good luck.
	Sorry.
	Yeah.
	5'7.
	Taller is like much better for me.
	Okay.
	Six-foot guy, crappy personality, 5'7 guy treats you wonderfully.
	5'7 guy.
	5'7 guy?
	Okay.
	5'7 guy.
	All right.
	I wonder what the male version of this is.
	So she's an obese.
	But she's the best.
	Take it one step further.
	You know how girls always make fun of guys with small dicks?
	So, like, I wouldn't want to be with a girl with a loose vagina.
	Hey, no.
	You know what I mean?
	Like, fuck.
	Men can have standards.
	I don't want a loose vagina and I don't want a fat bitch.
	Just like girls don't want a short guy and girls don't want a guy who's bald or girls don't want a guy who's boring and fair.
	Fair is fair.
	I guess it's only fair.
	I think so.
	Loose.
	How can you tell?
	Oh, you can tell, Charlie.
	You can definitely tell.
	Do your kegels.
	Although, I do think it's rare.
	Well, for the tight or the loose?
	The loose.
	It's rare.
	You can always do the butt, though.
	That's usually twice.
	I mean, what the wrong one's teaching is that.
	I bet to differ.
	I think tight is like rare.
	Tight is.
	What?
	Yeah.
	Are you just fucking got it?
	I mean, without bragging.
	You got a fucking cannon, dude?
	I guess I do, yeah.
	Wait, but wouldn't that wait, hold on.
	There's the crickets.
	Or no, wait.
	I mean, he asked, he asked, so.
	Wait, I fucked that up, but whatever.
	It's the opposite of a camera.
	It would be the kind of didn't make sense.
	Yeah.
	Liam would know.
	What are you talking about?
	Or maybe you just turn.
	Maybe you turn on girls so much that they're just like really like a bad thing.
	No, like you can tell.
	You know how women can tell like a short guy from like a big guy?
	It's the same with like it's the same with men.
	Like there's tight vaginas and there's loose vaginas.
	Wait, it is.
	By height?
	Huh?
	By height?
	You said from the bottom of the bottom.
	No, it's funny you say that.
	The taller women normally have the bigger gaping vaginas.
	Shorter girls normally are more tight because they're more compact.
	I swear to you, it's a thing.
	It's a proper thing.
	It's like if I had like a six foot two Amazonian woman, I'm telling you, she's a bigger girl.
	She's going to have everything that's going to be bigger.
	Wait, so heightened.
	I would have a small dick standard.
	Say again?
	By a small dick standard?
	I mean, it does check out.
	I think it checks out.
	But I mean, I've encountered.
	It's not always the case.
	Not always.
	You could be tall.
	Of course, it doesn't matter.
	It's like, you know, it's like.
	But it's more likely.
	Correct.
	It's more likely.
	Correct.
	That is fair, though.
	I mean.
	Standards, man.
	Come on.
	It's fair.
	Wait, so we were going around on the shix foot guy, crappy personality.
	We already did that over here.
	We asked for the menu.
	We were asking what's the reverse.
	Yeah.
	Well, I just told you.
	A fat woman with a loose vagina.
	But we're adding, I feel like if we just add something else, what else would you add?
	So let's just do the overall.
	A short guy with a small penis, fat woman, big vagina.
	Wait, wait, wait.
	I'm lost.
	We were talking about height, I thought.
	Yeah.
	And personality-wise, you're talking about that.
	We don't care about that as much.
	We're more physical.
	So I think we're more physical.
	We look at the physical.
	Here it is.
	Here it is.
	Overweight, but amazing personality.
	So super feminine, low body count, etc., etc.
	Low body.
	We'll get into all that.
	What's the other option?
	The other is like fitness model, suit.
	Maybe not.
	Just good body.
	Good body.
	Good body, but like terrible ruins.
	Domestic abuse.
	Nah, let's not bring crime into it.
	I thought we could talk about some deep domestic abuse.
	And is there something you want to get off your chest?
	Yeah, yeah.
	You got smacked around by your excuse?
	No, no, no.
	I just.
	No, I want to.
	It's because you mentioned it to one of the girls.
	You want to do a PSA?
	Yeah, I do, actually.
	I do.
	No, I don't know what people are doing.
	Okay, go ahead, go ahead.
	I just think it's something that's not really talked about.
	Cool.
	Like, domestic violence towards dudes.
	Because, like, last time I was here on the podcast, it was.
	Yeah.
	I saw you.
	You brought it up.
	No, you're right.
	Yeah, no, I had one friend.
	We didn't hear from him for six months.
	It turns out he was getting smacked around.
	My woman beats me.
	No, no, no, really?
	Like, literally, like, he's a little bit of a drink.
	He's got his property damage.
	That was the last time I was on this podcast.
	Second time, there's another friend that we haven't heard of for seven months.
	Turns out, same thing.
	Hit, hit, spat on, had his property damaged.
	Like, you know when he was.
	They're not good.
	You know what I'm saying?
	It's definitely not favourable.
	They hide in the corner and you're like, what's going on?
	And you look over their shoulder and he's like, you're a loser.
	You're not even a man.
	You're a nobody.
	No wonder you don't have any friends.
	I'm like, why do you let people talk to you like this?
	Damn, I gotta check on my home.
	Anyway, the girl's name's Pippi, by the way.
	Pippi?
	They don't get smacked around by a girl named Pippi.
	Yeah.
	So it does happen to me.
	It does happen.
	It could be fat with a good personality versus hot and she's an abuser.
	Yeah.
	You know what I mean?
	Okay.
	Because I've seen people go for what they consider hot and then it doesn't end up well because they're not the kindest person.
	That's what I'm saying.
	Separate situation, I feel.
	Anyways, so thank you for that.
	Yeah, of course.
	But hashtag Big Labya Matters.
	Thank you, Hukos.
	Appreciate it.
	I mean, do you guys have a preference on that front?
	Like, the Audi?
	Like, so not loose, not loose, but there's innies and outies.
	Oh, I prefer outies.
	I mean, I only date out.
	As long as it looks like tidy, it could be like, it doesn't have to be full innie, doesn't have to be full outie.
	It could look nice as long as in the middle, I'd say.
	Like a MIDI.
	Yeah, a MIDI.
	So a MIDI or innie.
	But you won't do an Audi.
	No, not too much of an Audi.
	That's okay.
	More for me.
	All right.
	Liam, what about you?
	Inni or Audi.
	I don't know why I'm bringing this.
	No, he sent a chat.
	He sent a chest.
	Let's do it.
	He sent a chat.
	I wasn't going to go.
	Let me just say, I'm really enjoying this combo.
	These questions never get asked to guys.
	It's really, really interesting.
	I feel empowered.
	I feel like when you meet it down there, you know if you've got a connection with that part of the environment.
	Well, it's like, it's actually when you see it, you know what I'm saying?
	I'm connected to your vagina.
	But like, you know what you like, right?
	You know what you like.
	So you're saying you know it when you see it.
	Yes, exactly.
	The way that it presents when you see it, it's like you have an emotional connection with the what?
	You're talking to it.
	You just see it.
	Yeah, exactly.
	That's how you know they're the one.
	Oh, come on.
	Maybe it's just me.
	Watch!
	Yeah.
	Yeah, I feel like you know it when you see it.
	It talks to them.
	It talks to him.
	Interesting.
	Interesting.
	No, like I go around meeting vaginas all the time.
	I'm just saying generously.
	Let me going back to the hype thing a little bit here.
	So do you guys think that would you object to a guy who refused to date a girl because she was overweight?
	No.
	I think fitness is really important.
	Sure.
	What about you?
	People have their own preferences.
	Sure.
	Yeah, preference-wise.
	Are they a jerk for it?
	No.
	No, it's just what they like.
	Like, you can't get mad at them.
	He's like, she's too chunky for me.
	Well, you could say the same thing, like, oh, you're too short.
	Like for the guys.
	Your thoughts?
	Yeah, I agree with Keely.
	Okay.
	Yeah, I agree as well.
	Totally fine.
	It's a preference.
	Yeah.
	All right.
	Totally fine.
	It's fine.
	Totally fine.
	Okay.
	All right.
	You know, you guys are at least consistent.
	You know, you guys won't date short guys.
	Yeah.
	I won't.
	Date a fat girl.
	I mean, how can I, bro?
	I go to the gym.
	That would be going against everything I stand.
	Think about it.
	That would be against your culture.
	It would be against your culture.
	It would be against culture.
	Against the culture.
	Against your legacy, really.
	Against everything.
	Against everything.
	Hey, you never know.
	I might be into fat bitches.
	Might have a secret fat fetish.
	Secret stay.
	Stable of swine.
	Oh, yeah, baby.
	I want to get you fit as fuck.
	Just eat more water.
	Let me change you.
	I can change him.
	I can change him, I swear.
	But maybe, like, I mean, I mean, slightly choppy is so good.
	Have you ever worked, like, worked on a girl, though?
	Like, I can help you.
	You know?
	Or is it like they have to already be there?
	Fix it, boy.
	Um, look, I mean, I'll be lying if I said I haven't porked a fatty before.
	Oh, God.
	I have, just, just, just to see what it's like, you know, just to experience it.
	But it's definitely, it wasn't that great.
	But I've helped girls like, yeah, lose weight.
	Okay.
	I could see like the potential in women.
	Like, they're super pretty.
	All that my brain thinks is like, wow, imagine if this girl lost weight, she'd look even better.
	You know what I mean?
	So, like, sometimes I'll turn him to my own little project and I'll just like kind of just like take them to the gym and take all their food away from them and just see what happens, you know, document it, just see what's up, you know?
	But I mean, on preference, no, I normally just go for what I like, and what I like is what I like.
	So, and that's not fat pictures.
	But you're a personal trainer on points.
	Yeah.
	Still out.
	Yeah, that's true.
	Online, just not in person.
	Wait, so you, I think I was mentioning a couple things in terms of traits that would be positive in the woman.
	I mentioned being submissive, low body count.
	What's a low body count to you?
	I mean, it depends on age, you know?
	So I guess you give them a bit more leeway if they're, you know, older, they're a bit younger and they've got more.
	But so what was your reaction?
	I was just wondering, like, is that important to you specifically?
	Like body counts.
	It's important to men.
	Being submissive.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, both are pretty important.
	Yeah.
	A lot of guys won't say it, but for the body count part, why is that?
	I just want to know.
	Why?
	Oh, there's a couple reasons.
	Well, just because to be like safe or clean.
	Is it to be like clean?
	Like you would prefer someone who is more like conservative with it.
	So, I mean, there's a couple.
	Can I start it, please?
	Go ahead.
	Go ahead.
	Okay, so first and foremost, I feel like, and again, my views are very old school, but I feel like a woman's body is like women are just different to men, yeah?
	So I feel like women, because they can get it easier, they shouldn't just give it up to like every kind of dude.
	You know what I mean?
	Whereas guys, it's hard for guys to get sex.
	So guys have to work for it.
	It's a lot harder than women.
	Really?
	Yes.
	You think so?
	I know so.
	I know so.
	But in saying that, I think the body count is very important if you like want to marry a woman.
	Like no guy in their right mind would marry a woman that slept with 100 dudes.
	No guy would.
	Yeah, but at the same time, I feel like guys who just want a low body count just don't fuck good.
	So they don't want the girl to know that.
	Yeah, but that's a code.
	That's a cop-out excuse.
	No.
	That's a cop-out excuse.
	No.
	There's lots of guys out there that just don't want that kind of woman.
	They'll fuck with those kind of girls, but they won't marry them or date them.
	So really, like, I don't know any guy, like, I've got lots of friends that are married.
	I don't know any one of them that's had a girl that's more than like 30, 40.
	Even that's too high for me, like body count.
	So body count is important, but guys don't want to talk about it.
	Guys don't want to talk about it because they get like, you know, oh no, you're just saying that because you don't perform good in sex.
	It's nothing to do with that.
	Nothing at all.
	It's literally just like when I hear like a woman's been with a lot of guys, it's a turnoff.
	So would you marry a girl without fucking her first?
	Hell no.
	Okay.
	I would not.
	But I would also get to know what her background is and, you know, find out what kind of girl she is, what she's done, who she's been with.
	And in saying that, like, I'm not completely prudish.
	Like, I understand, like, you know, people go through relationships, they'll have a one-night stand here and there.
	But give or take, like, I have my standards and values, and I just like to stick to it, you know?
	Someone else might be different, and that's their prerogative.
	It doesn't bother me.
	But for me, like, I personally couldn't date someone who has more than like, let's say, like, double digits to me.
	It's like too much.
	You know, but I'm way too much.
	Really?
	Way too much.
	What about when you were saying that you were like a fuck boy?
	I'm a guy.
	It's completely different.
	I don't think that you can like fuck whoever you want, but like girls can't.
	I'm sorry, it's completely different.
	It's a double standard, yeah.
	It is what it is.
	It is what it is.
	Look, I'll say it's a double standard, but it is what it is.
	You know, like men can get away with it.
	And women, they get, unfortunately, they get judged for it.
	It's just what it is.
	Yeah.
	You know what I mean?
	So that's just the society we live in.
	And, you know, I'm just addressing the elephant in the room.
	No guy would marry a woman that slept with like 100 dudes.
	No guy would.
	Find me a guy that would, please.
	Unless you're like the guy from No Jumper.
	Beaver.
	Isn't Lana Rhodes married?
	Who?
	Lana Rhodes.
	Isn't she married?
	I think a lot of porn stars are married and I'm not sure.
	Yeah, but porn stars normally marry with other people within that industry.
	I don't, but I mean, I don't know.
	I feel like there's a lot of people that would marry a porn star.
	Obviously, there's always outliers.
	I'm not saying there isn't.
	I'm just saying that a majority of guys aren't fond of the idea of having a partner or a wife who might be the future mother of their children having like 50 cocks inside of her before they met him.
	That's just what it is.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Like, anyone, like, any guy, please, please speak up now, guys in the audience, anyone at the back, if I'm saying anything wrong.
	Well, the chat master's coming.
	And it's also like saying put two men together, put two women together, both the same age, both the same, like, you know, socioeconomic status level, looks, everything.
	One has a body count of 10, one has a body count of 50.
	The guy's going to pick the one with 10 every single time.
	Every single time.
	Unless they're a porn star.
	Yeah.
	I've built up more of a body count with my partner than with my partner.
	Say again?
	So my partner, when I first got with him, I was at, I think, nine.
	Yeah.
	I mean, look, what I say shouldn't bother you and shouldn't trick you.
	That's just my thoughts.
	You know what I'm saying?
	Like, who am I to tell you how to live your life?
	You can live your life how you want, and you can have your opinions too.
	That's cool.
	I respect that.
	But I'm saying in my eyes, in my world, this is how I think.
	And I'm also just letting you know a lot of guys actually do think like this.
	Like, we really do.
	But just guys are just too scared to speak up, you know, to challenge the status quo or just to like just out of fear of like just being judged.
	But it is what it is.
	We genuinely feel that very strongly about it.
	It's the same way like girls feel like about a guy who's like short.
	Like, you know, they won't say it, but like, fucking girls don't like short guys.
	No, women.
	Guys don't like girls that are fucked like hundreds of dudes.
	We just don't.
	And then somebody posed a question just now.
	I missed it.
	Oh, I was way up to him.
	I asked him about like when he previously said that he was like a fuckboy.
	Then I told you that men and women are different.
	We're not built the same.
	Men are made to spread their seed biologically.
	This has been proven by science that men, like especially back in the prehistoric era, Neanderthals, all that shit, men were spreading their seed.
	Women were the bearers that carried the child for nine months and looked after the child.
	Nothing's changed.
	The only thing that's changed is society has tried to like shame men for basically like sleeping around and it's like, you know, and with this whole wave of feminism, it's trying to equalize things.
	But because that's happened, it's been tilted a little bit more in the women's favor.
	But go 100 years ago, back to like our moms and our mom's moms.
	They were way less promiscuous than the women of today.
	Well, there's technology now to ensure that those things don't happen, like birth control and stuff.
	So I feel like I'm not sure.
	We're not talking about like 40 years ago.
	We're not talking about being changed.
	We're not talking about being pregnant and falling pregnant.
	We're just like, what we're trying to say is like, you know, just preferences.
	The reason is because, you know, women can get pregnant.
	And so you're supposed to have a low body count because you're negating that from happening.
	But now that we're evolving as a species, we're being able to become more equal because we're able to control ourselves.
	How long does evolution typically take?
	You think it takes 40 years?
	Millions of people.
	I feel like we've definitely changed as a society within like the last 10,000 years.
	Yeah, but it doesn't unwind.
	So men have a sort of almost evolutionary revulsion to promiscuity in women.
	That women can have an intellectual disgust for promiscuity in men.
	And actually there is an evolutionary basis in women having a disgust in it for men too, but it's not as substantial and it's for a different reason.
	Women could be disgusted by a hard pressure.
	Yeah, so for example, like one of the evolutionary reasons a woman might be disgusted by a promiscuous man is that it comes down to, and it's sort of similar but different.
	So it comes down to parental, what's the term?
	Like if a man's promiscuous, he's less likely to stick around.
	Yeah.
	So like women are going to look at that on an evolutionary component and be like, well, if I have a child with you, if you get me pregnant, are you going to actually have the resources to be able to support the family, et cetera, et cetera?
	Whereas for men, the difference is a bit reason.
	It comes down to paternity uncertainty.
	So if the woman's kid, yeah, there's no way for us to.
	But we got rid of that now.
	So like by having birth control, it's a less likely chance that that happens.
	Right, but okay, so it doesn't undo hundreds of thousands of years of evolution.
	A modern invention from, you know, the 60s or DNA test in the world.
	No, I get that, but I feel like things are going that way.
	Things are going into that direction.
	But just because we have changed doesn't mean that it doesn't undo the evolution that's already occurred that gives men that evolutionary basis for having like a disgust response to promiscuity in women.
	I agree with that.
	I agree that there's a disgust response, but I'm saying that I find a lot of other men.
	Would you agree that, do you feel like a lot of guys genuinely feel like that?
	Like, honestly, I'm asking all you girls, do you feel like guys don't really care about body count or do you think they somewhat do?
	I'm curious.
	No, I do.
	They don't.
	Like all jokes aside and all bullshit aside.
	Do you think they care?
	Yeah.
	It's like how many times have you girls been questioned by boyfriends or partners or lovers?
	Or how many guys have you been with?
	How many guys have you slept with?
	My current boyfriend, no.
	He doesn't really sleep.
	You're still super young.
	When you get a bit older.
	Yeah, I feel, yeah, I agree.
	You know what I mean?
	It's like at 18, like, what do you expect?
	Oh, I've been with 100 guys.
	Yeah.
	You know what I'm saying?
	At that age, they could have a body count that's extremely rare.
	But it's much more rare.
	So like at that age, most guys are not going to.
	Correct.
	I mean, when I was 18, I wasn't asking my 18-year-old girlfriends, what's your body count?
	I feel like most guys ask now.
	Yeah, I think so.
	They're very.
	Yeah.
	I know.
	Yeah.
	Guys always ask now.
	Hey, Brian fighting the good fight.
	I think nowadays it's kind of a key question.
	But actually, I will say, there you go.
	Key question.
	I do actually want to go back to something that kind of a bit of a back and forth that you two were having.
	So, Chespra, you were saying how you were a fuckboy when you were younger.
	You were promiscuous when you were younger.
	Yes.
	I mean, I was actually, and you were saying how men and women are different.
	Correct.
	And so I actually don't see anything wrong, though.
	So let's say he slept with 100 plus women.
	And then after doing so, he determines, well, actually, I think a woman with a low body count is actually more optimal when it comes to being in a relationship with.
	I actually don't see anything wrong with that.
	And I actually don't think it's hypocritical at all.
	You might not like it, but I don't think it's actually hypocritical.
	I think it's just preference-wise, honestly.
	I'm not saying it's hypocritical at all.
	I don't care about any of that.
	I do not care about body counts with my partner.
	I'm not going to, like, if they have a lot, I'm not going to shame them for it.
	And if they have, like, little, it's like, okay, like, I don't, I don't really care.
	Like, you are who you are.
	Everyone before.
	That's your prerogative, you know what I mean?
	Like, each and every one of us are different.
	But I think what Brian is trying to say is that, like, it puts me in a position that I can see a little bit more clearly what would be good for me and what wouldn't be good for me because I'll experience like the spectrum.
	You know, so I've like I've been with like girls that are like a little bit out there and I've been with like more, like, I guess you could say like more introverted girls.
	And I know end of the day, because I've lived that kind of life, I can't be someone, be with someone who's also lived that kind of life because that'd be just too much like.
	That's just your trait.
	So I get that.
	That's fair.
	Did anybody else have anything on the body count convo?
	I mean, not really, but how is it like, like, you get to try, like, if you were to get with 100 girls and like you just then realize after 100 girls, like, you don't want that.
	Like, how is it fair to put that on another girl saying like they can't have the same opportunity to experience 100 guys?
	It's not fair, but it's just reality.
	It's a double standard and it's one that exists.
	It's one that we try to shy away from.
	It's like the elephant in the room that no one really wants to address.
	I didn't say it's fair.
	I didn't say it's just.
	It's just the reality.
	The reality is a guy can get away with it and be called a stud or this or that.
	And if a girl does it, guys are like, ugh, you've been with 100 men.
	Like, it is what it is.
	Do you know what I mean?
	It's like, I'm not just saying this because, like, it's what I believe.
	It's what a lot of men believe.
	It's what society tells us.
	It's just the way things are.
	It's the same way saying, like, it's the same way, like, let me put it in terms.
	It's like the same way you can say, like, a man can get graped by a woman.
	A man can't get graped.
	Like, you know what I mean?
	But a woman can get graped.
	I could say grape.
	Yeah, he could.
	You know, grapes, lemons.
	No, no, but I'm saying that.
	Talking about fruit.
	I think a dude can get graped.
	Extremely rare.
	And very different.
	Very unlikely another dude.
	Then he can.
	He can get graped.
	Yeah, then he definitely could.
	Well, I mean, there's like the legal technicians.
	It's like, and I don't think that would be like.
	I don't think that would be as detrimental to a man than it would be to a woman.
	A hundred more times worse for a woman.
	A hundred more times for a worse topic.
	If you got graped by a woman, would that be a bad thing for you?
	He's small scissors.
	I personally wouldn't want to be graped by.
	Oh, no, that's just essayed on your own podcast.
	That was terrifying.
	Yeah, that's how I watched that one.
	I only got brought to my attention.
	Oh, yeah.
	Are you okay?
	Huh?
	Are you okay?
	Oh, yeah, yeah.
	Yeah, no, it was mostly Andrew that got the brunt of it, but I was there.
	I was there.
	You better film me in after.
	Oh, yeah, we'll tell you.
	Nothing crazy.
	That's not serious.
	Some girl assaulted us.
	$200.
	Can you hear from the girls FFS?
	This guy won't stop yapping.
	I did say I talk a lot.
	Yo, Metromat, think about TTS, man.
	Pretty much.
	Talking on a podcast, man.
	How dare you talk?
	What does he mean by FFs?
	For fuck's sake.
	Oh, for fuck's sake.
	Yeah, thank you, Metromat.
	So I guess to the body count thing.
	And just to be clear, I actually don't think promise heauty is good in men.
	I think promiscuity is bad in both.
	But I do think there is a bit of a differential here.
	I think women tend to care a bit less about it or a lot less than men do.
	They're going to be probably a bit more forgiving than a man who has a promiscuous pass than the reverse.
	Also, typically a man who has the capacity to be promiscuous and who was promiscuous tends to lean more towards being very attractive, whether that's looks or personality.
	Whereas any woman has the capacity to be promiscuous regardless of her awful personality or her subpar looks.
	I don't know if any of you want to bite on that one, but pretty much any woman.
	Is it because men fuck whatever they want?
	Or they'll fuck anything.
	Yeah, they really will.
	I mean, if women put it out there pretty easily.
	I suppose, yes, but I guess the point I'm trying to make here is that pretty much any woman, if she was inclined to, could be promiscuous.
	She could sleep with 100 plus men.
	Anything that's not that.
	So is that bad on like the guy's part or the girl's part?
	Yeah, but like go ahead.
	Sorry, go ahead.
	Like wouldn't that be kind of like bad on like a guy's part if you're saying that she has standards?
	Yeah.
	Like how is it?
	Well, I don't think it's neither good nor bad.
	It just kind of is what it is.
	But I'm not really trying to make a value judgment.
	I'm just trying to kind of describe what is.
	So any single woman, every single woman here at this table, if you guys were so inclined, you could go sleep with 100 men in the next year very easily.
	I can't say that about men, though.
	I can't say that the majority of men or even a minority of men could go ahead and sleep with 100 women in a year, even if they were to reduce their standards substantially.
	Because most men are just invisible to most women, and most men don't have game like that.
	They don't have Riz.
	Oh, God.
	So.
	What?
	I just don't like that word.
	Riz?
	No.
	It was icky.
	It was icky.
	It gives you the ick.
	Okay, what do you prefer?
	It's not giving.
	I don't know.
	Just don't say that.
	Don't say Riz.
	I don't like that.
	I mean, that's a common parlance of.
	Now it is.
	We didn't say this like a year ago.
	The risk of it.
	Gen Z people.
	Yeah, I feel like if a woman, let's say, slept with 100 men, a woman can sleep with anybody.
	So if she has high standards, they're probably 100 really fucking nice looking men.
	But if a man sleeps with 100 women, women are more likely not to say yes.
	So maybe they're not like that great.
	I don't know.
	Sure.
	So a girl's body count might be higher, but maybe the guys are also more quality, too.
	I don't know if that's a great argument, though, because then they were probably fucking a bunch of other women too, and she's been exposed greater likelihood of being exposed to some sort of STD.
	Yeah, but if you're safe about it.
	What do you mean?
	Like getting tested?
	Yeah.
	Like I don't sleep with anybody.
	It doesn't make you safe.
	Yeah, I don't sleep with any person unless they've been fully paneled.
	Like before anything, before the panel.
	Really?
	You've never slept with somebody without there being a test first?
	Not when I was like 18, 19, but that's less likely.
	Can I have you just adjust your mic a little bit so scooted this way?
	Just scoot it.
	Nope.
	Sorry, that way.
	Yep.
	There you go.
	Okay.
	But body count, I mean, so going back to it really quick, I do think that, and you're welcome to provide disagreement or pushback.
	I do think if you have two girls, one of them has a high body count, one of them has a low body count, comparable attractiveness, personality.
	It is suboptimal, I think, from the male perspective to pick the one with the higher body count.
	I don't know if you have a disagreement there or if you...
	No, I'm just curious.
	Like, I'm trying to do your two people.
	Like, what if the one with the other, like, with the higher body count has a better personality than the girl with the lower?
	That's what I'm saying.
	Like, would you go for higher?
	Because it's like a girl that like matches your qualities and everything that you like except for the body count.
	Would you choose her over the girl who's like boring?
	So like, let's say a girl who has five body count, but her personality, I don't want to use boring just because I like that.
	So I want to be fair.
	I want to be charitable.
	She's less of a match.
	She's got a five body count, but she's less of a match based off my criteria versus a woman with a 50 body count, but she's like very close to like in terms of what I'm looking for, just very close match personality-wise.
	Maybe even more physically attractive too.
	I would still take the lower body count.
	Really?
	Yep.
	Okay.
	Yep.
	50 is a lot.
	That's okay.
	That's, yeah.
	50 is a lot.
	50 is a lot.
	Yeah.
	And I'm trying to think if there's anything else.
	Wait, I have a question.
	Sure.
	I have a question for you.
	Wait, what's your body count?
	I feel comfortable sharing.
	In range?
	Over 100.
	More.
	Oh, over 100.
	Over 500?
	Less.
	Probably like, I don't know.
	300?
	300.
	300?
	Yeah, yeah, but you've got to remember, like, I'm 38, so like, I've, I had my first girlfriend when I was 18.
	I lost my virginity when I was 18.
	And then I hit fame, internet fame, at around the age of 24, 25.
	So it was just like thrown at me like a lot of the times because like the fame and social media.
	So just, you know, I was just a young guy doing my thing.
	Like really, I didn't really think too much of it.
	I still don't think too much of it.
	But it made me grow and learn a lot.
	And it made me realize what I want and what I don't want.
	And like I said, I could see some of the looks on your faces.
	Like it's not fair.
	I get it.
	Well, I was going to ask a question.
	It's not fair, but it is what it is.
	Wait, you have a next question?
	Go on.
	Did you get famous for like gym physique?
	I'm just not familiar with it.
	What are you getting famous or I'm like something?
	That's completely fine.
	Me and my brother started a fitness movement dubbed Aesthetics.
	You might have heard of his name, Ziz.
	I'm his older brother.
	They've got a picture of him behind the wall.
	And we started, I guess Brian can jump in with me if he wants, if he wants to add anything.
	We started a fitness movement.
	We dubbed it aesthetics.
	We got famous on internet forums, Misk forums, RIP, which are now shut down.
	We moved it to YouTube videos, Instagram, Facebook.
	I still have that.
	It's just you working out.
	It's so much more than that.
	It's so much more than that.
	I can't even put it to words.
	He's being a bit movement.
	He's being a bit humble to be famous.
	For one, something humble.
	Can I jump in for you?
	So him and his brother kind of like pioneered what you would call influencers today.
	So when before Instagram was around, before TikTok, like literally just when YouTube was starting out, like we just had forums.
	We had forums, we had YouTube, and Facebook was just starting out.
	And these guys were the ones that were just playing around with it, having fun.
	It feels so much better than someone else.
	No, I'd like to know.
	Like, you know what I mean?
	Let me tell the story.
	Let me tell your life story.
	I'm talking too much.
	No, no, they pioneered the concept unintentionally of what you would call an influencer.
	So they go to the gym, they'd have fun, they'd document their life.
	And that was in what, 2011, 2012?
	2008, 2007.
	Up to 2011, though, right?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	So they were just mucking around on YouTube and Facebook and having fun.
	And they would go on the forums and troll and like that would be kind of the content engagement.
	And you were on those forums at that time as well, right?
	So that was kind of our generation.
	And then it all popped.
	Different time than you guys.
	So it's popped off now.
	Yeah, no, I get it.
	But here's where it becomes, and I have even goosebumps talking about this, but like sadly, Said's brother passed away.
	But due to the volume of content that they made, it just took off like a rocket and it went viral and it went all over the world.
	And he had people from Germany and Europe and the US and all over the planet watching the content that they'd made.
	And because of the volume, it just, it became more and more and more viral.
	And for better or for worse, like, you know, sometimes people- We're not your typical bodybuilders.
	Well, sometimes people are.
	No, no, hear me now.
	Sometimes people seek fame, but then sometimes people have that put upon them, right?
	Steve Irwin was one of the most famous people on the planet.
	And his children didn't choose to be famous.
	Say Steve Irwin.
	Steve Owen.
	Like at that point, fuck I love that guy.
	No, no, but his kids didn't choose to be famous.
	No, no, no, sorry.
	You don't know who Steve Iwwen is.
	No, no, I'm aware.
	That's very insane.
	Australia, I feel like I would have picked that up.
	Some people seek fame, some people have it thrust upon them.
	And he had it thrust upon him at a very young age.
	So he's gone through this his entire life.
	And I don't know if you want to tell the story about how you found the content vault and then you just picked that legacy up and ran with it.
	So basically, my brother started a movement, a really, really huge one.
	I implore you all in your own time just to even just Google his name.
	Even on TikTok, you type the hashtag Ziz.
	It's got 1 billion hashtags.
	Okay.
	I could jump in really quick too.
	Yes.
	Like, so Ziz, he passed away in 2011.
	And he's got him bigger than ever.
	Bigger than ever.
	Like, if some other person on the internet or content creator passed away 15 years ago or whatever, 15 years ago.
	Forgotten.
	I mean, Ziz is still kind of within the cultural zeitgeist.
	And like you can go to any gym, ask a bodybuilder.
	They don't know who he is.
	Even if they're like, ask your boyfriend.
	Ask your boyfriend to ask your boyfriend.
	Wait, go get your phone.
	All of you girls ask your boyfriend.
	Text them right now.
	Do you know who Ziz is?
	No, yeah, we can't do it.
	We can't do that.
	And basically, you should get a phone account.
	Yeah, yeah, do it.
	Do it.
	Do it.
	Just text him.
	Text, text him.
	And to finish the story off, I guess.
	Picking up the treasure trove of content, because that's a good thing.
	Yeah, yeah.
	So to pick it up from there, he passed away.
	And here I am basically continuing his story and my story and picking up the pieces.
	ZYZZ.
	It's not Z.
	It's not Z.
	It's ZYZZ.
	Fucking Z's, man.
	Z Y Z. Z Z. Z's.
	Z. Z's.
	It's fucking Z's, bro.
	Z's.
	So, Australian Z. Just be like, do you know who Z Y Z is?
	We say Z and I'm going to get it.
	And you have to show the camera.
	If your boyfriend doesn't know him.
	I'm a bodybuilding guy.
	Yeah, just be like, do you know a famous bodybuilder named Ziz?
	You know Z.
	Okay, what do you reckon?
	Am I saying it wrong?
	Ziz.
	Ziz.
	Zizz.
	and then basically um yeah so he he passed and i kept releasing content of him in a timely manner after he passed to keep his legacy and his name going and then i just said yes i did Where's your little business?
	Oh, wait, I got it.
	What do you got for us?
	And I guess how good is that?
	That's mad.
	And I guess here I am.
	You said love him.
	Oh, my God.
	Yes.
	Tell him he's a sick cunt.
	Tell your boyfriend he's a king of flip it and chip it boys.
	Oh my god.
	That's mad.
	That's mad.
	Other side of the body.
	I got something like Goosebumps.
	That's beautiful.
	19-year-olds.
	That is a good thing.
	19-year-olds, dad.
	They know who it is.
	That is incredible.
	Be real.
	That's incredible.
	That's beautiful.
	That's beautiful.
	It's cute.
	He transcends.
	Transcends.
	That is, that is.
	Yeah, no, I feel emotional hearing about that, bro.
	Oh, man.
	Damn.
	And I think we've done well.
	You've done well, bro.
	You've done really well.
	Seriously.
	Look at where you are, man.
	Millions of people are watching this.
	You know what I mean?
	It's crazy.
	Millions of people are doing it.
	Everybody in the chat, too.
	Yeah.
	It's like, you're a good man.
	And also, like, that's pretty incredible for you to continue that.
	Yeah.
	It must have been really hard.
	It hasn't been easy.
	Yeah.
	It's been tough.
	Very good.
	You can cry too.
	Very good man.
	Yeah, it was hard.
	Can I ask you a question about bodybuilding?
	Yeah, sure.
	Are you natural?
	No, fuck no.
	Can I ask what you're doing?
	I'm honestly very open.
	I'm a cycle or something?
	Yeah, my cycle at the moment.
	I'm using test, 250 MG per week, MK677, and a bit of growth hormone, 2IUIDA.
	So I'm very open and honest.
	Do you know any side effects?
	Like, have you noticed any side effects for a lot of people?
	Of course, yeah, of course.
	You can see your boyfriend on a cycle.
	He's too young.
	No, no, he's too young.
	He's too young.
	There's heaps of side effects.
	Like, it can shut down your natural testosterone production.
	You can get hair loss.
	You can get bitch tits.
	Mood swings, mood changes.
	Or whatever.
	Gynecomastia.
	Yeah, there's a whole bunch of things.
	This is like TMI, but do you still get erect?
	Of course.
	Although you're on.
	Why don't you get more erect?
	He was erect.
	Because I'm on testosterone.
	I'm like, almost being 40 years old, I've got the energy and libido of a 25-year-old.
	He was wrecked on the way here, to be honest with you.
	In fact, may I just...
	I thought it was the gear stick, but it was...
	Oh, my God.
	Jesus Christ.
	Anyway.
	What the fuck?
	Anyway, let me just say it.
	Suck my ass, bitch.
	Yeah, let me just say, and I implore for all men out there over the age of 35, that TRT will change your life.
	That one meal of tests a week will change your life.
	It will keep you young, will keep you strong, will keep you like, will still keep your sex drive up there.
	It's the best thing you can do in your life to be honest.
	What would you recommend for women?
	I wouldn't recommend women to do steroids.
	Yeah, you can't take tests, right?
	Well, there is female steroids.
	Wait, so are you going to get her boyfriend on a cycle?
	No, no.
	I mean, inevitably, I think you already will after seeing this podcast.
	I'll get her boyfriend on your business.
	No, I do not.
	I don't have to.
	He's too young.
	He's way too young.
	When's the like 20?
	If I was to make a recommendation, I would say like 24 plus.
	24 plus.
	But you have to be serious about it.
	You have to be wanting a career out of it.
	You want to be wanting to compete, like do a bodybuilding competition.
	Yeah.
	You know, something like that.
	If I wasn't competing, doing bodybuilding comps or earning a living daily from like my physique, then I wouldn't be doing steroids.
	Just because some guys feel sad about how small they are, so they like hop on it.
	Like you wouldn't recommend that.
	I would just do the bare minimum.
	I would not be this big.
	I'd downsize and I'll just stay natural.
	Like, there's no need for it unless you're honestly making money or competing.
	Like, it's pointless.
	Okay, that makes sense.
	And plus, like, it's like bigger is not always better.
	Like, sometimes it's.
	It's hard.
	Yeah.
	Like, sometimes just like a lean, small physique can look great.
	But I like being besides.
	I like what I do.
	So, you know, that's my prerogative.
	But each their own.
	Like, I wouldn't recommend anyone to go down my path unless they were almost certain that this is what they want to do for the rest of their life.
	Because otherwise, I'm telling you now, they'll fucking regret it.
	Yeah, yeah.
	100% they'll regret it.
	Yeah, you can do too much.
	It's a lifelong commitment.
	It really is.
	If you do it too young, you can still lifelong.
	But you're going to have to get it.
	I told myself when I did my first steroid cycle at 23, I'm just going to do one cycle and never again will I touch steroids.
	I'm 38 years old.
	I'm still doing what I'm doing.
	Like, you know what I mean?
	It's a lifelong commitment.
	Like, you have to stay on it or I don't have to.
	I want to, but I guess you could say, like, I'm addicted.
	If there's anything I'm addicted to, I'm like, yeah, I'm addicted to the feeling of being on TRT or feeling strong having that energy.
	Like, I can't imagine life without it.
	You wouldn't have natural production anymore.
	No, I'd be shut down for good.
	So would I.
	So most people would be shut down for it.
	If you hit it too hard, you can't make tests anymore.
	So you have to take it, basically.
	It's a lifelong commitment.
	I just started drinking caffeine this year.
	That's a big move.
	I've been juicing, boys.
	Oh, my God.
	This podcast.
	I'll get you on a nice juicy cycle after.
	I'll give you some recommendations, bro.
	Come on, don't we get that?
	Imagine we saw Brian jack to the bottom.
	Dude, I need to be ripped.
	I can help you.
	I'm here for a reason.
	I'm telling you.
	I got a little something.
	I got a little something.
	Actually, they're pretty big.
	They're pretty big arms.
	I'm like, I got a little.
	They're pretty big arms.
	I got to cut down the body firm.
	There's a little there.
	I got to cut down.
	You cut down the bat.
	That's the key.
	You'd be fucking huge.
	I would be.
	Wait, do we have old photos of Brian?
	I had a little.
	Chuck him up on the screen.
	We want to see it.
	I had one in his heydays.
	Let's go, baby.
	Come on.
	I was a bit more fit.
	I wasn't big like you guys, but I was.
	I'm small, bro.
	No, you're body dismorphs.
	I do have body dysmorphism.
	I feel like a skinny little groom.
	I feel looking like a truck.
	He's like, oh man, I'm so skinny.
	I'm like, did you play World of Warcraft?
	Yes, you did.
	A little bit.
	Not as much as.
	As played a heap of stuff.
	I played more Final Fantasy.
	So another story is like me and as we were like internet video game geeks.
	So we played lots of video games and then we got into bodybuilding as well.
	Scroll up.
	I look like who?
	Minem.
	Oh shit.
	Click on the tank top.
	Tank top.
	That's not you.
	That's me.
	What?
	Oh, shit.
	I mean, I was.
	Doug Life.
	Doug Life.
	You look like someone.
	I can't put my machine gun Kelly over there, bro.
	Oh, shit.
	What the fuck?
	Yeah, I was smut.
	What's the word?
	Slim?
	Lean.
	What's it?
	Endomorphectomorph theme?
	That shit's not important.
	Rip?
	Rip?
	Endomorphectomorph them.
	Just fucking train, man.
	Don't worry about that bullshit.
	This time next year, I'm going to be.
	And now this podcast is about bodybuilding, guys.
	Let's go.
	All right.
	Let's talk about.
	Yeah.
	But.
	So, wait, going back to the body count conversation.
	Bodybuilding to be.
	Do you guys.
	There you go.
	Good sec.
	Do you guys think men are insecure if they care about body counts?
	Men are so insecure.
	Yeah.
	I do.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	I've heard this one a hundred times.
	No, because I care about it.
	You care about it?
	Do you think they're insecure if they care about body camps?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	I think, yeah, very much so.
	Okay.
	And why do you say that?
	They just can't handle the bus.
	Yeah, I would just say, like, I don't care.
	Like, if they ask, you can tell that they don't care.
	But if they're very persistent on it, I would say, like, oof, you have some insecurities that you need to work on.
	Like, I don't think it's bad, like, if they ask.
	Like, I'm super open, but like, when they kind of make it like a constant conversation and talk about your past and everything that was like before them, that's a problem.
	That is on them, I would say.
	Yeah, I fully agree with you.
	So, insecure if they care about body count, like it depends, though.
	Like, yeah, yeah, agreed.
	If you ask about it, like, once and like you, like, care about it, like, no.
	But if you keep continuing to bring it up, then it's like, okay, chill.
	Yeah, I agree, actually.
	Like, just consistently bringing it up and, like, also trying to make someone feel bad about their past, even though they didn't know you.
	Wait, let me just revive here.
	Let me bring it back to the question, though.
	So, I mean, we're adding these kind of qualifiers where, well, he's like just constantly bringing it up.
	So, it's more so just.
	But, you got to ask the question.
	Sorry, you got to ask the question.
	Why would a guy keep constantly bringing it up?
	Because they're insecure.
	I'm pretty sure that was the question.
	I feel like maybe because sometimes girls lie, perhaps, about their past.
	No, like, I'm saying, like, if you tell them, like, you're honest, and then they'll like ask about who each person was.
	You've got to remember sometimes when a guy would ask a lot, maybe in the past they've been lied to by their partner or by a girl.
	Yeah, that's a good idea.
	That's their insecurity.
	If you're not happy, if you girls have experienced that, it just shows that you've probably had guys that have been lied to about a woman's body count.
	So, if a woman was secure with her sexuality or whatever, she wouldn't lie.
	She'd just be honest about it.
	So, if she is honest and he still cares, that's just if he's asking numerous, numerous times, yeah, that's different.
	If he asks and a woman's honest and open, he either takes it or he leaves it, you know?
	Yeah, which is his choice for sure.
	Yeah, yeah.
	But it's up to the woman to be honest because a lot of women, like, you know, how like a little woman would just like lie or just hide the real number, and even guys, guys would inflate their number and say that's a lot higher than what it is.
	So, um, women, did you inflate your number?
	Honestly, honestly, honey, I wish I did, completely not.
	I'm like, I'm not too, I'm not too happy about my number.
	Well, I wish it was lower, to be honest.
	Okay, I wish it was lower.
	So much time wasted just doing stupid shit.
	I think are men insecure if they care about it.
	I think it's a boundary.
	Sure, your thoughts?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	And then, and just going back to you guys, because I feel like we were adding some of these qualifiers, like he keeps bringing it up.
	But let's just say he didn't keep bringing it up, but he chose not to date a woman because of her body count.
	In this situation, he's insecure, man.
	Come on.
	Insecure?
	Okay.
	Yeah, I would say insecure.
	Still insecure.
	Yeah, I don't think so.
	Don't think so.
	Yeah, I don't think so.
	Like, if they're already not dating, like, oh, if you're not dating.
	Wait, don't change your answer because they're friends.
	Wait, no, I don't care.
	By the way, I was being sarcastic.
	Wait, I was being sarcastic.
	You don't care about what your friends think?
	You guys really need to reconsider your argument.
	Okay, okay.
	No, if it's a preference, it's a preference.
	I get it.
	I thought you meant like in a relationship, like they kept asking, but I got your question out.
	No, I was just a little slow.
	They're not going to like bully you about it.
	They just wouldn't date you to begin with.
	Then that's fine.
	Okay.
	If you don't like me, then that's okay.
	So going around the table, what's everybody's body count starting with me?
	Well, you already revealed it.
	I don't know.
	Honestly, it's like over.
	100, 300?
	Yeah, somewhere around.
	Okay, going to you.
	I would say I think it's 20 men and nine women.
	Word?
	Okay.
	Two, five, or three, twelve, nineteen.
	Liam?
	I'll do that the same as him, I think.
	Yeah.
	Same as 200, 300?
	Yeah, about that though.
	Mommy.
	He wasn't trying to, but all right, okay.
	He wasn't even trying.
	It just happened.
	You're offing in on this or what?
	Oh, I don't share my body count.
	Oh, okay.
	Rules for thee, but not for me.
	I am.
	I'm Brian's like, maybe, like, I'd say like 20 to 40.
	That's a big range.
	I can neither confirm or deny.
	Okay, smart answer.
	It's below 1,000.
	Okay.
	So from 0 to 12, it's 999.
	It's from zero to.
	I'm just judging based on your quiet introvert nature.
	The quietness.
	You seem like a gentleman.
	I'm saying it's a hopeless romantic.
	He likes to.
	I do prefer relationships.
	Yeah, I think so.
	I don't like one-night stands.
	That's good, actually.
	I stand with all my statements.
	He's hoping.
	I'm saying 10.
	10.
	What are we going to go around and guess Brian's body?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, actually, that's a good idea.
	Go first.
	All right.
	I reckon you're north of 20.
	North of 20.
	Okay, north of 20.
	I reckon.
	Okay.
	I reckon that's what we say.
	Oh, I know.
	What do you reckon?
	I already told you, 20.
	20?
	Yeah, 20.
	30.
	30?
	Okay.
	20.
	20.
	11.
	11?
	All right.
	Yeah, mid-20s.
	Mid-20s?
	12.
	Okay.
	14.
	Okay.
	How old are you?
	35.
	35.
	And you're married.
	How long have you been married for?
	I'm not married.
	Oh, you're not married?
	Oh, I thought you were married.
	Married Energy voice.
	He's married to the game.
	Yeah, I'm married to the energy.
	How long have you been?
	I am married to the game.
	He's married to the game.
	How long have you been with your partner?
	He doesn't have one.
	I didn't say my relationship.
	How about Johann Harker?
	This podcast is his partner.
	This is my girlfriend.
	Okay, okay, whatever.
	So then that changes my answer.
	Yeah, I have to sandwich the table after that.
	Oh, God.
	Oh, my God.
	Sometimes it's 10.
	What does it mean?
	Wait, okay.
	I'm going to guess then he's about 20 for sure.
	Above 20.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Yeah, well, those were some great guesses.
	I'm not telling any of you what my body count is, but great guesses.
	Good job, guys.
	Wonderful, wonderful.
	I'm sure you'll whisper in my ear after the show.
	Maybe.
	Let's see.
	Sorry, I won't tell anyone.
	I just want to see if I was wrong.
	He's like, Do you want to be number one?
	Yeah, take my time.
	Take my Homo sapiens, I guess.
	No Homo Simpson.
	Wait, Index.
	And then I think you had a thing.
	I brought up submissiveness, and you kind of like recoiled the fuck.
	I feel like most people don't talk about that.
	Let's talk about it.
	By the way, Hillary Epstein, let me just read it while it's still love you, Brian.
	Hey, thank you, man.
	Thank you.
	Good to see you in the chat.
	You were here.
	You were killing it the other show.
	So I just got to drop this really quick.
	He's a brave and a decent man.
	He's a pioneer.
	It's true.
	It's true.
	Thank you, Hillary.
	Appreciate it.
	Sorry, go ahead, continue with your submissive, submissive.
	I feel like not a lot of people talk about it unless they're like very open with their sexuality.
	Like if they're like, oh, are you thinking BDSM?
	No.
	No, I'm just saying if you're more of a submissive person or dominant, I feel like that kind of leads into the sex world too.
	In the bedroom?
	Yeah.
	Because I'm not talking in the bedroom necessarily, although I am.
	Oh.
	But I'm primarily talking about non-sexual dynamics.
	Oh, so you like when a girl listens to you?
	I'm just like, what is your question?
	What was that thing?
	Well, what is your submissive, like your definition for it in a relationship?
	Lets me lead and listen.
	Listen.
	But when I say listen, I don't mean like she's just hearing me.
	Like she lets me lead.
	Like give an example.
	Yeah.
	No, I get like controlling, but like not controlling in that sense.
	Like, not that word, but I get what you're saying.
	Not controlling.
	Like, what's an example?
	Strong leadership.
	What's an example?
	Yeah.
	What are you guys?
	Are they Gen Z?
	They're Zoomers.
	Zoomers.
	You guys are real cute, man.
	Very funny.
	So why do you say that?
	It's just funny.
	Like, controlling, that's the first thing that popped in a mind when you said you like to lead.
	Well, yeah, that's what I said.
	Okay.
	Well, let's explore it.
	We can explore it.
	I think it's like traditional values versus new age.
	Is New Age considered traditional would be leading, but what may be considered New Age may interpret leading as controlling when it's not really controlling.
	It's just trying to like set the pace.
	Do you know what I mean?
	Yeah, I know.
	Well, I just don't know anything.
	I wouldn't even say set the pace, to be honest.
	What's up?
	I wouldn't even use the term like set the pace.
	It's just like supposed to be friends, we should agree with each other all the time.
	Yeah, yeah, like it's not about who's right or who's wrong, but just naturally in a relationship, I feel like a man.
	Oh my gosh.
	I feel like you're eating too many of those gummies.
	Calm down.
	How many have you had, bro?
	How much cocaine has you?
	The whole bottle is empty.
	Okay, we're calming you down.
	These they got me off my head.
	I'm so sorry.
	The store is going to be empty.
	They're going to be like, these are cocaine in those?
	At least we'll sell them out there.
	No, we did put like a little bit in there, but it's just I lost my train of thought.
	So the question was: we're talking about being submissive.
	They're not good.
	Oh, fuck.
	I'm going to have some eats.
	I'm wired, bro.
	If we have some for them as well, completely buzzed.
	You can have some as well.
	They're scared, I guess.
	Knocking on the door at three in the morning.
	I need someone.
	Some gummies.
	They're really not around.
	How many are you going to get after the champagne and pre-workout?
	You're going to be wired.
	I'll tell you that.
	I want to be like audience.
	Isn't that a song?
	It's like caffeine.
	I don't even know.
	We've had people email us saying what's in there.
	I probably should know.
	Four calories, one gram of sugar, two milligrams of vitamin B. What is give this one four of the sleep ones?
	No, I don't want this.
	You'll be out cold.
	You'll be like, oh, this is so strong.
	It's like drugging.
	It's so strong.
	This is citric.
	That's controlled drugging.
	Is there, what is it?
	It's not melatonin.
	No, it's not caffeine.
	Just caffeine.
	No, I'm talking about the sleep ones.
	Oh, the sleep ones will knock you out for days.
	No, don't say that.
	Seriously, they will.
	No, the sleep ones claw me.
	The sleep ones will knock you out like Mark Tyson.
	Oh, you couldn't pay me to take the sleep on it.
	You have to, no, you'd be on the floor.
	But those ones.
	Don't take those ones.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, don't take it.
	They'll have you singing Trap Queen in your kitchen.
	Oh, yeah.
	Wait, so I think you were maybe asking a question on the submissive topic.
	Yeah, just like an example of what that would mean to you.
	Like, I can't really even answer on it because I don't know what that really means to you.
	Like, an example.
	Yeah, I mean, essentially, just allowing me to lead, letting me lead.
	Like, in what way?
	Like, a real life example.
	I'm trying to think of an example where a woman's been quarrelsome and not let me like if I've set the plan and they want to like nitpick the plan, right?
	They want to, oh, but I want to do that.
	No.
	We're doing this.
	Like, let me lead, you know?
	Is that like relationships, like friendships too?
	Like, you just like to be in charge like that?
	Or like just I mean, I think friendships can be a bit more egalitarian, especially if they're male friendships.
	But I do, I mean, even with friendships, I do tend to be a bit more of the go-getter in those situations, too.
	I mean, I think that is even typical in friendships, also.
	Yeah.
	There is somebody who's a bit more assertive.
	They're a bit more like scheduling and reaching out and making things happen.
	Does that mean if a girl dates you, she never has to pick where she's going to eat?
	Because that sounds pretty awesome.
	Yeah.
	That's really good.
	I always know what I want to eat.
	That's what I'm picking.
	I mean, look, if she gives me a good recommendation, like, hey, do you want, then sure.
	Yeah.
	But like, if she's uncertain, I'm like, oh, this is what we're eating.
	That's good.
	Yeah.
	I don't like to think about places like that.
	Like, I would never be like, what do you want to?
	Oh, I don't.
	Or it's like, what do some guys do?
	It's like, oh, I don't know.
	You pick.
	No, it's okay.
	I'll pick.
	That's good.
	That's better.
	No one really likes, or I don't know any girls who like to like pick a spot because then you're thinking about it.
	Yeah, the guy's like, oh, I don't mind.
	You just, whatever.
	Yeah, then it's borrowed.
	Okay, wait, but what if the girl has actually a craving for something, but you also do?
	Where would you guys go?
	Wait, so she has a craving and I have a craving.
	Yeah, different.
	So I have a craving.
	Oh, we're going with me.
	Okay.
	Yeah, I'm the threshold breaker.
	No.
	No?
	No.
	No.
	So, okay, so what if you're having a conversation with your boyfriend?
	Yeah, it's me.
	He really wants to go to one place.
	No, it's Mallory.
	Hold on.
	He really wants to go to one place and you really want to go the one place and you guys just can't come to a decision.
	Yeah.
	You guys break up?
	No.
	So who has to break the threshold?
	You, for sure.
	I mean, I think you would go where I want to go.
	Like, no.
	You would think he would go wherever you were.
	Yeah, he would, yeah.
	He would submit to me.
	But this is obviously, he would submit to you.
	Yeah, like, not in, like, even like a bad way.
	Like, I think that's good.
	He would put my needs before his, which I would appreciate that.
	Okay.
	And that's just how I think of it.
	Have you ever pegged him?
	No.
	Okay, just check.
	Nope.
	Look, I mean, look, there's certainly, there's probably scenarios where, like, if I'm with a girl and she has a really strong craving and maybe I'm a bit more neutral on what I want, I'm like, oh yeah, that sounds like a good idea.
	We can get that or whatever.
	But if it's like, I want this, oh, no, I want, she wants pizza and I want burgers, we're getting burgers.
	They ate this answer.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Or, or she could just starve.
	That's also not.
	This is why I always have my own money.
	Okay, I'm being a bit, I'm joking about the starving thing.
	She can get a salad.
	Salads are good.
	I don't think that's like a bad thing to say.
	I would love to order.
	I love protein.
	Give me a protein.
	I would choose a burger.
	Protein is good.
	Wait, so you would like make your boyfriend get what you want?
	I mean, I don't even think I would have to like make him do that.
	I think he would want to do that for me.
	Although I feel like this, I think we, I'd like to take this example further because I feel like the food thing is a bit, it doesn't really matter.
	Let's talk about a major relationship crossroad here.
	I'm trying to think what maybe like picking a holiday could be.
	One's got a preference to, I don't know, fucking go to Canada, the other one wants to go to Europe.
	The man's putting up the money, so the man should have the final say.
	I can think of examples that are further along in a relationship, like when there's kids involved or something, or like you guys are a bit further along.
	Because I could give you an example, but I don't know if it would really track since you guys are a bit younger.
	But if I was married to a woman or we were in a long-term relationship and I was like, and I was the breadwinner, well, I would be the breadwinner, most likely.
	And I was like, okay, we're moving here.
	And she was like, no.
	Yeah.
	I'd be like, so are we breaking up then?
	Because let me just add on top of that.
	And I know this might trigger some of you, but my partner's the same.
	I told my girlfriend I want to move to the Gold Coast because the weather in Sydney is like really shit.
	It's always raining.
	It's cold.
	I told her I want to move to the Gold Coast and that's where we're going to live in like one or two years' time.
	And she said, yeah, okay, that sounds great.
	Now, I would obviously like a conversation and like just a conversation, not just we're moving here or raising.
	Of course.
	Yeah, yeah, of course.
	It's never just like that.
	There's always a conversation.
	We're talking like...
	And like you would not be open-minded if she wanted to go somewhere else.
	Like, that would not be.
	I'm not sitting in saying that I wouldn't go somewhere that she, if she said a location that I was happy with, then I think it's fine.
	But if I had my eyes.
	No, no, no, no.
	I'm pretty chill like that.
	But if I really wanted to move to, say, like the Gold Coast and she works remote off her computer and she can work anywhere where she wants and there's nothing holding her back in Sydney.
	There's nothing holding me back in Sydney.
	If I tell her we want to move to the Gold Coast, we're moving to the Gold Coast.
	You know what I mean?
	If she mentioned, oh, but I'd like to go live in Perth.
	And if that fitted and aligned with what I was doing with my business and my work, I'd say, okay, cool.
	Let's go to Perth.
	Yeah.
	So I think if it was like, like you said before, Brian, if it was like in a favor of me, I would go with it.
	Lucky for my situation, me and my girlfriend would think very similar.
	So we have like the same kind of mindset around the same age.
	So it's like, it makes it a bit easier, you know?
	But I guess it's not always going to be like that.
	There's going to be times where you're in a relationship where, you know, you're going to have your man now or in the future kind of dictate things and tell you what he wants to do or where he wants to go.
	And it's not from a place of like being controlling or it's not from a place of like wanting to be like the alpha male or anything like that.
	Sometimes like a man just has to lead as a man, you know?
	And that's just the way it is, you know?
	Let me also give you some added context here.
	So this would be when we're far enough into a relationship.
	Yeah, not like early on, I'd say like interpretive, like the kind of relationship that I'm going to have is she's not going to have to work.
	Okay.
	Like I'm going to be taking care of everything.
	Yeah.
	Right.
	And so if I've made a determination, like I want to move here in furtherance of my career so that I can provide for you.
	Oh, yeah.
	So you never have to work another day in your life.
	Like I am going to have to take on a bit more authority in the relationship so I can continue providing you, providing you with that sort of life where you don't have to work ever.
	And then also I'd probably pick a dope place like Hawaii.
	Like I wouldn't be like, let's move to the fucking coal.
	Like I like the heat.
	I'm taking you to.
	That's actually what I probably, that's probably where I'll end up.
	In Hawaii, do it.
	In Hawaii.
	Yeah, that's paradise, I know.
	He's going back to his surfing ways.
	There you go.
	Like, really?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, I think I'll probably end up in Hawaii.
	What's Hawaii like, by the way, guys?
	I've always wanted to see it.
	Oh, you should go.
	It's nice.
	It's nice.
	It's amazing.
	I got stuck there.
	It's a nice place to be stuck, let me tell you.
	I'd like to go and just learn how to bodyboard or something.
	Oh, you should come.
	I mean, there's good surf in Australia, though.
	Have you surfed at all?
	I can bodyboard, but I can't surf.
	Have you tried?
	I'm hopeless.
	You got it.
	You got good.
	I'm hopeless.
	No, but I'm too heavy, man.
	I think.
	There's good instructors.
	I can barely bodyboard.
	Snowboard, pretty decent.
	Bodyboard?
	Hopeless.
	Yeah.
	But let's see here.
	Where were we?
	We were talking about the body camera.
	I'd love to surf though, surfing.
	Submissive.
	Well, here, I want to show you guys a video.
	It's very dear.
	It's a video of my ex-girlfriend.
	Can we get the bow video pulled up?
	Would you be willing?
	Well, I'll show you.
	I'll show you guys.
	I'll show you guys.
	It's a get the bow video.
	And by the way, guys, drop, like the video, guys.
	Like the video.
	All right.
	I knew you were going to show this one.
	So this is my ex-girlfriend.
	This is kind of my expectations, you know, when it comes to being submissive.
	You go ahead.
	Go ahead.
	Boom.
	Huge bow.
	Did you see the bow?
	That's what I need.
	She's got to bow for me as soon as I walk to the door.
	Look, I just get home from a long day at the podcast.
	She's got to get my laundry all my shirt in the hamper.
	Dinner's already ready.
	It's ready to go.
	She's got the beer ready.
	Opens it for me.
	Yep.
	Stirs the noodles.
	There we go.
	Yep.
	I had to scold her about the tomatoes.
	I don't like what she did.
	And yeah, and then just hit play one more time, play it again.
	Let's just see the bow again.
	Boom.
	Massive bow.
	So, going around the table, would you bow for your man?
	If my, well, I bow a lot for my man, but if he was making all the money and I was living rent-free under his house, of course.
	Of course.
	I feel like that's just, I don't know, courtesy.
	Because then at that point, what do you bring into the table?
	If he's making all the money and all the things and everything, and you're just there, you gotta do something.
	Yeah, you gotta hit the bow.
	Okay, what about you?
	I want to provide, so no.
	Wait, you want you to go?
	Yeah, I want to build something out of your business.
	You want him to bow?
	I mean, you can go both ways.
	Wait, so you wait, sorry, repeat that?
	It could go both ways.
	Both ways?
	Both ways, yes.
	Okay.
	And you're studying what again?
	Psych, but I want to switch to bio.
	And you want to be like a doctor or what do you want to do?
	Optometrist.
	I don't know.
	Optometrist.
	Okay, they make good money.
	All right.
	Okay.
	Sure.
	So wouldn't bow, though.
	Maybe.
	I could.
	Well, you're in a relationship now.
	What's the dynamics in your relationship?
	50-50, chivalry, equality, what is it?
	It's mainly 50-50.
	50-50.
	Okay.
	All right.
	What about you?
	Would you bow for your man if he asked you to?
	Yes, I would.
	Okay, W. W. Hey, he likes, he knows, he knows your brother.
	Yeah.
	Actually, to be fair, that's a big W. He's probably watching right now.
	He already just came home from the gym.
	Yo, if you're a boyfriend, if you're watching, you got to ask for a bow tonight or tomorrow.
	All right.
	What about you?
	Would you bow for your boyfriend?
	Yeah, I mean, if he was like providing everything, then like, sure.
	What if he wasn't?
	Yes.
	What if he wasn't?
	Hell no.
	Yeah, probably not.
	I don't know.
	It's not that deep.
	It's just a bow.
	Yeah.
	It's not that deep.
	It's just a, you know, it's like two seconds.
	Sure.
	No.
	No.
	I would not.
	That was an emphatically no.
	Yeah.
	Why not?
	I just think that's like weird.
	It's weird.
	If someone asked me to bow for them, I would just think they have like a high ego and they need me to like fulfill that bite.
	What if it's not about ego?
	It's just not a fetish.
	Like a quirky thing.
	And it's a show of respect.
	Bow for me.
	I mean, if they would bow for me in return, then no.
	I'll bow for you.
	No.
	Okay, so it's okay.
	No.
	And you said it'd just be weird?
	It would.
	I don't.
	What if he was Asian?
	If it was like culture appropriate and it like made sense, I guess.
	I mean, I'd still find it weird because it's not my culture.
	So I have a bias, but sure.
	Sure.
	Okay.
	That's what you want.
	Would you hit a bow?
	Yeah.
	Hit a bow?
	Yeah.
	Okay, going back to you really quick.
	So let's see here.
	Do you want to get married one day?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Would you want your partner to be the one who proposes?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Would you want him to do a more traditional proposal?
	Like get down on one knee with the ring?
	Like you wouldn't want him to just like throw you a McDonald's hamburger and be like, marry me person.
	No.
	I didn't want him traditionally.
	Yeah.
	Okay, so get down on one knee.
	Yeah.
	Kneel.
	And then please.
	Here, I got.
	Where's the gets down on one knee and he goes Gertrude?
	Brian, you shouldn't have.
	I just made up your will you marry me.
	You know?
	Yeah.
	Don't you think that that's a bit more weird than a bow?
	Like it's a bigger ask, don't you think?
	Well, because getting down on one knee, he's basically doing a lunch.
	It's more the glass.
	Yeah, but that's a good thing.
	It's like activation and hamstring and a bit of a cough as well, a bit of capital there.
	Once to one person, like if you're just gonna stay with one person, like about what, every day when they come home from work, you just bow to them.
	The legendary trash, the trash pen.
	Brixon, never have on dollar stored alcohol syndrome, David Schwimman on a kid.
	What the fuck?
	What the fuck?
	Who's David?
	What the fuck?
	I think he's talking about me.
	From France?
	Do you have a response to the trash?
	Who is the David Schumer?
	I don't know, man.
	This is a troll.
	Probably a troll, probably a misc troll.
	Could be a misc troll.
	You kind of do like a troll.
	Huge fucking troll.
	Trash pen.
	Hey, at least it pays you, bro.
	I can't believe someone says something mentally.
	Oh my gosh.
	That was crazy.
	I was going to stop simping for Brian.
	Well, we've had a couple things that we disagree on.
	I don't know.
	I've been simping.
	Whatever.
	Wait, so going back, you said bow is every day.
	I mean, would the bow be every day?
	Like, when he comes home from work, you bow to him.
	Wait, so question.
	Do you want a man who's chivalrous or a man who comes like equality?
	I don't know.
	I'd want a balance between them.
	I don't know.
	What's the balance?
	I don't know.
	I'd still want to be like independent in my own self.
	I don't want to fully have to work.
	But when you say independent, you mean independent of a man?
	Like, no, like, if you're talking about financially, I mean like with chivalry.
	That microphone came out of nowhere, dude.
	Just out of nowhere.
	Wait, so like financially, like, like I wouldn't expect a man to completely like not like have me work.
	Like my mom still works.
	My dad works.
	Like I don't have an issue with that.
	Neither do they.
	Okay.
	If that's in the way of that.
	Yeah, I mean what the economic reality is in today's society, you're going to need a two-income household.
	I mean it is what it is.
	But I mean if let's say you encountered a guy who's either very wealthy or high income earner and he was like, you can just stay home.
	Would you be more inclined to do it then or even then you still want to work or I mean I guess if I was like completely I don't know.
	I honestly I don't really know.
	I think I'd still kind of want to I'm going to school.
	I'm getting a degree.
	I don't want it to be for nothing to just like kind of sit at home.
	Like I don't know.
	I think I'd still kind of want to make a living for myself even if it's not super important, like life-changing.
	Just do something to make me feel more like fulfilled in my life.
	I guess.
	What about kids?
	Yeah.
	Like if I had kids, I would, yeah, for sure.
	But like just us two, like I would just wouldn't want to sit in the house all day and just kind of, I don't know.
	Yeah.
	Well, do you want to take time off work when you do have kids?
	Yeah.
	Do you know how long?
	I don't know.
	How many kids do you want?
	I mean, if my husband at that point could provide wealth and we had kids, then I would stay at home.
	Like it's different when you have kids.
	I would want that.
	That's fulfillment for me.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	But it sounds like you do want a bit more 50-50 in a relationship.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	All right.
	And then does that, are you talking about just the financial component or other things too?
	Yeah, kind of just financially.
	Just financially.
	Yeah.
	So you still want him to be masculine and a bit more.
	Like, for example, I know you're in a relationship now.
	Who made the first move?
	He did.
	He did?
	Yeah.
	And how did you guys meet?
	Was it a friend?
	It was at a Halloween party.
	And so he approached you.
	Yeah.
	And you guys had not known each other prior to that?
	No.
	Okay, so that was a cold approach.
	I heard of him, but I didn't know him really in person.
	Okay.
	So he approached you, Halloween party.
	What was his, what did he say?
	I don't.
	I don't remember anything.
	Just like, hi.
	Yeah.
	He was probably there.
	I don't know.
	It was just, yeah, he definitely made the first move that.
	And then he did he carry the conversation initially.
	Yeah.
	And then did he ask for your number?
	Yeah.
	Well, we already had each other on like social media, but we didn't like know each other.
	So then, yeah, he asked to hang out again.
	Okay.
	So he made that initiative to like ask you out.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	And then he planned the first name.
	The first date.
	Yeah.
	Not that, but like a hangout.
	The first night we met, that was more hangout.
	And then like he took me out like formally.
	Formally.
	So you guys got like food or something.
	Yeah, we did like mini golf and then whatever.
	And he planned the whole thing.
	Yeah.
	He paid for it.
	Well, you're not, you're not being very 50-50 now, are you?
	I know.
	Like, I just, I literally just meant like financially.
	Like, I.
	Well, he paid for that date, didn't he?
	Yeah.
	Okay, well, yeah.
	Did you offer to pay?
	Probably not.
	Well, that's not very fast.
	I mean, that's 50 of you.
	Certain scenarios, I guess.
	It's like depending.
	Like what I said, like when I'm older, I want to be able to still have a first date.
	The guy should pay.
	Yeah.
	That's just like, yeah, I think whoever asked that person out should pay.
	Well, we can get into that, but just finishing this up really quick.
	So you guys have been dating for nine months?
	Nine months?
	Yeah.
	And do you guys go out to eat frequently once a week or something?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	I'll get right into that.
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	Stage Schwimmer equals Ross from Friends.
	Band of Brothers, too.
	But Dollar Storm was hitting the Tennessee while Prago, Ross from Friends.
	I never watched Friends.
	Oh, you haven't seen Friends?
	No, no, no.
	I know who David Schwimmer is, though.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	I liked him.
	He's funny.
	I never watched Friends, no.
	You're not missing that.
	Well, thank you, Trash Pant, huh?
	I appreciate it.
	Pull up a picture.
	I guess we could Google a picture because he asked for it, but...
	Lord Fargoat donated $200.
	Why does the...
	Why does the Western women have the dilution of having double standards on dating and marriage and yet they want to lay in bed and do nothing at all?
	Are you talking about that?
	When you say lay in bed, do you mean like starfishing or do you mean like just not do anything?
	Like non-sexually.
	What's wrong with the dilution of having double standards on dating and marriage?
	So okay, you guys have been dating for nine months and you guys go out on dates like once a week.
	Does he pay or do you pay?
	It's 50-50.
	I don't, I feel like guilt kind of in that sense.
	Like I don't think that's really how it should work.
	You don't need to pay every single time.
	Like I'm willing to pay for myself or both of us.
	Okay.
	So when you guys do go out, like you'll pay for your food, he pays for his.
	Either that or I'll pay for both or he'll pay for both.
	It's just kind of depending on like the, I don't know.
	So one date you'll pay, another yeah, he'll pay.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	All right, but then first date was not 50-50.
	No.
	And then you were saying the man should pay on the first day.
	Well, yeah, like in this scenario, like it was the first date he asked her out, so he should pay.
	That's why.
	Well, and then you were coming in on that saying whoever asks should pay, right?
	Yeah, I think if you're gonna ask somebody on a date, then I feel like you should be the one to pay for it.
	Well, let me get right into that.
	But first, just going around the table, who do you think should pay on the first date, the man or the woman?
	Whoever asks first.
	Whoever asks?
	Sure.
	That can be an answer.
	Whoever asks first.
	Whoever asks?
	The man.
	The man should pay, okay?
	Yeah, the man.
	The man should pay?
	The man.
	The man?
	Whoever asks.
	Whoever asks?
	Whoever asks.
	What do you think?
	The man.
	The man?
	Okay.
	And then some of you said, who said whoever asked should pay?
	I think it was you, you, and then you.
	I can ask the whole panel this.
	Have you ever asked a guy out?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Of all the first dates that you've been on, who asked who out?
	Like the majority of the time I've been asked out.
	But I have asked guys out and I have paid for dates.
	Okay.
	And this can include dates you turned down and rejected.
	So more often, you said whoever asks should pay.
	More often than not, are you asking for the date or is it first date?
	Not counting.
	You've been dating a guy for three months and hey, babe, you want to get no first date.
	I haven't dated that many people, so I've only been asked out.
	I haven't asked anyone.
	You've never asked anybody out.
	But you said whoever asked should pay.
	Yes.
	I mean, if I've convenient.
	Don't you think that's a bit convenient?
	I'll ask for dates when I'm in the relationship.
	No, no, no, that doesn't count, though.
	It's first date.
	Well, I just haven't dated a lot, so.
	How many first dates you've been on?
	Into the mic?
	Probably three.
	Three.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	None of them you asked out.
	No.
	Okay.
	They asked you out.
	Yeah.
	And they paid.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	I wasn't looking for a relationship, though.
	I'm not actively seeking relationships.
	Yeah, but like three of the first dates you've been on.
	But you see, okay, well, here, I'll continue on.
	But of all the first dates you've been on, who asked who out?
	I don't believe I've ever asked anyone out.
	Never asked somebody out?
	Okay.
	I don't think so.
	And how many dates you've been on?
	Five, ten?
	Like first dates?
	First dates, yeah.
	And this can include a first hangout.
	Because some people don't consider these dates, but five.
	For hangouts, I don't know.
	And for like formal dates, probably like five or something like that.
	Informal hangouts.
	I have no idea.
	Yeah.
	30?
	100.
	Okay, not 100.
	Okay, all right.
	Okay.
	Hey, you know, whatever.
	What about you?
	Wait, repeat the question.
	Have you ever asked a guy out?
	I don't think so.
	I don't think I've ever asked someone out on a first date.
	And how many first dates have you been on?
	Probably like in between like 10 to 15.
	10 to 15 first dates.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	Yeah, I've never asked anyone out.
	Okay.
	And how many first dates have you been on?
	Like three.
	How many informal first hangouts you've been on?
	Like, maybe like six.
	I don't know.
	Six, okay.
	What about you?
	How many first dates?
	Oh, Jesus.
	No, it's not a lot.
	Yeah.
	I'm going to be like seven or eight.
	Seven or eight?
	Can you tilt your mic down a little bit?
	What about you?
	I have asked someone out.
	Okay.
	Oh, how many guys have you asked out?
	If any.
	I've asked out quite a few.
	It doesn't bother me.
	So for first dates, you're doing the asking more often than the guy is?
	No, I would say maybe like 60-40, the guy.
	60-40?
	Yeah.
	In your favor or his?
	Like him asking me or me asking him?
	Yeah.
	60, him asking me 40.
	And then for you?
	Which part?
	Both parts.
	I have asked guys out.
	What's the breakdown?
	Like 75-25.
	75 of them.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	I don't know.
	It's just kind of convenient.
	Like, whoever asked should pay, but also, I've never asked a guy out on a date.
	Nope, you're fine.
	Oh.
	I've been asked out and then.
	It's too big.
	Hold on, let me.
	Do we need to re-I'll re-fix that in just a sec?
	It's kind of convenient, you know?
	I mean, just like body count's not always fair.
	Right, sure.
	But I agree that things aren't always fair.
	But like, there's this, like, when it tends to favor men, if it's unfair, there's like a huge amount of pushback and scoffing.
	But like, when the disadvantage or unfairness goes towards the men, it's kind of like, what's the deal?
	Yeah, no, I can agree with that, but I think it's also like you said, thousands of years of evolution.
	You know, sometimes it's just ingrained in our society.
	Keep talking, Guy.
	It's not.
	I mean, you said you want a girl to be submissive.
	Do you want a submissive woman to pay for you for the first date and ask you out and be dominant in that way?
	Well, here's actually the interesting thing is that I think that a woman can actually still be very submissive and take some degree of initiative.
	In fact, you can even argue that perhaps.
	Is that not considered leading?
	No, not necessarily because you can still be in the lead and the other person has taken some degree of initiative.
	If that makes any sense.
	I mean, if it's a first date.
	If it's a first date, you're leading because it's the first interaction.
	Well, so in terms of like, if you're almost looking at it from a dynamic of who's more invested, right?
	Yeah.
	So, for example, and it's, I don't tend to talk from this perspective just because I try to talk about my like pre-podcast perspective where I was engaging in like more like what a normal man or woman could expect from dating.
	Yeah.
	But like my experience since I've started the podcast is like I pretty much only will date women who come to me because the dynamic is way better.
	So I actually prefer that if they come to me first because one is because I like women who've already demonstrated high levels of interest.
	I don't like dealing with low interest women, which is can be very common, especially if you're on dating apps.
	So high interest women are just going to be way more into you.
	That's a way better dynamic.
	But I don't like to typically talk about that just because it doesn't apply to most men's experience because they're not going to have that degree of they either don't have some degree of status or they don't have that level of interest from women.
	But I actually do think it's a far better dynamic because if this woman is like fucking crazy over you, yeah, it's way easier to be, I think, to lead in that situation than to you be like kind of chasing a bit too much, you know?
	And you can call the shots more, like do my laundry.
	No, I'm kidding.
	But actually.
	Wait, you scoffed at that.
	What's up?
	It was a little out there, but.
	Why is that out there?
	I don't know.
	I don't know.
	If you were on the first date with your boyfriend, or well, soon-to-be boyfriends or whatever, and would you want him to like physically defend you in some sort of situation that would involve that?
	What do you mean?
	There's like somebody who's being aggressive towards the two of you, and would you expect him to intervene on your behalf?
	Yeah.
	So just to be clear, you want a man on a first date to potentially put his life on the line for you, but I can't expect a girl to do laundry on the first date.
	On the first date?
	Fuck yeah, on the first date.
	If somebody took me to their house and had me do laundry for them on a first date, that's a little wild.
	Yeah.
	Oh, yeah.
	That's what I do.
	Yeah.
	That's for your first date.
	You're like, all right, we're going to go to the house and you're going to show me what you're going to do.
	Well, I'll be a gentleman, so I'll have already put it in the wash.
	She gets to dry it.
	She gets to dry and fold.
	Do you just bring her over?
	She has to fold.
	Do you just bring her over and if she does it on her own?
	If I'm feeling like I'll put it in the dryer, but she has to fold the shit.
	I mean, I fold the laundry.
	I'm not a folder.
	I don't like to fold.
	Does she have to fold it?
	She can do however she wants.
	They tend to be good at it.
	Okay.
	Well, why is that objectionable?
	Why is it, hold on, here's what I don't understand.
	You women want men to literally die for you.
	Yeah.
	But I can't expect my girl to fold laundry.
	No.
	No, but on the first day of the day.
	But now you're saying.
	I'll fold some laundry, but not on a first date.
	That's crazy.
	That's, like, actually, like, red flag, like, right down the door.
	How is that red flag?
	Because, like, if a person...
	Why is that red flag?
	Because...
	Because if a guy's going to fight for you, that's like a circumstantial thing that happens.
	It's not like I'm not taking my first date to a fucking fight club and being like, all right.
	So, if you can fight for me, I don't know.
	It can happen, but it's like.
	But you would have the expectation that if it did happen, he would intervene in some capacity.
	That's just like defending someone.
	Yeah, I would fight for someone who was smaller than me, and I wouldn't have to know that.
	Really have to do that.
	I've stepped into a lot of people.
	Wait, do you guys go out and party?
	You guys go out and like been to parties?
	Yeah.
	Have you ever seen a fight breakout?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	You guys stepping in to break it up?
	Be honest.
	Not when it's two guys.
	What am I going to do?
	Oh, okay.
	Oh.
	Yeah, but like if a guy's coming up to me and my boyfriend, per se, I would expect that he like goes after the guy too.
	Because what am I going to do?
	Right.
	So the expectation is on the man.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Yeah.
	But it's so funny.
	If two girls are fighting, well, that's like a damage.
	And the expectation.
	The expectation.
	If I got laundry in the dryer on a first date.
	Oh my God.
	I just fold that shit up.
	Fold it up.
	I can just imagine Brian in the corner going, oh, that's so hot.
	And she's just like, folding the laundry.
	It is hot.
	It is pretty hard.
	Look, my love language is acts of service.
	Okay.
	Acts of service.
	If you do shit for me, you got me.
	You got me.
	Like paying for things, like materialistic things, or like folding laundry, doing additional things.
	The kitchen is dirty, and you just go.
	When she starts planning the shit, I'm like, God damn, this woman's amazing.
	Okay.
	And girls go with that.
	Like, you're like, fold my laundry, and they're like, okay, yeah.
	Yes.
	Really?
	They do.
	Okay.
	They're not feminists.
	Do you leave dishes out on purpose?
	You don't have to be a feminist because you don't want to do the fucking laundry.
	I don't know.
	I don't think that's feminist.
	I wouldn't expect a guy to fight for me on a first date.
	Like, I wouldn't expect to throw him into a thunderdome and be like, this is the first date, the first test.
	I feel like that's kind of wild.
	I would say that, but like, if he acted like a coward in some sort of situation, assuming this hypothetical, there was a situation that called for intervention physically and he cowered, there probably wouldn't be a second date.
	You'd be like, this guy's not.
	While I agree with you, I think I think.
	Wait, wait, wait.
	Answer the question.
	Would you get the ick?
	If a guy cowered, yes, I would get the ick.
	But, however, I don't think both of those things are equal to each other.
	I don't get the ick.
	Yeah, but I don't think those things are equal to each other.
	They're not.
	Yeah, you're right.
	One is like the dude that died.
	Yeah, you're right.
	One is dying is crazy.
	Yes.
	That's so exciting.
	Who says anyone has to die?
	Why can't it just be a simple fact?
	It doesn't happen very much.
	But there's in the history of dating, has some guy got killed on the first date?
	Probably have.
	Yeah.
	Probably happened.
	And you're using that one experience out of like.
	Oh, yes.
	Oh, yeah.
	Oh, yeah.
	Pull it out.
	Got it.
	But there would, even if it didn't happen, there's still this expectation on the men.
	Okay.
	Hypothetically, if you were with like a girl on a first date and a guy was like trying to hit on her or whatever and like would not stop and was super persistent, would you say anything or no?
	I was on a date with a girl and another dude was trying to hit on her.
	Yeah.
	Like you'd step in.
	Or is that too violent, like, for you?
	What do you mean?
	Well, you're saying that, like...
	I'd be like, I'd tell the guy to get lost, essentially.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, that's what we're saying.
	It doesn't have to be life or date thing.
	It doesn't have to be life or death.
	You're like, someone's going to die.
	Like, what if a guy gets die today?
	Do you get what I'm saying?
	That would be such a oddly belligerent thing.
	I mean, I suppose it happens.
	That's odd.
	Compared to folding the laundry.
	It would be an odd situation for a guy to like, you're on a date with a girl and another dude steps.
	I feel like.
	If you're like, getting murdered is kind of more like some champagne.
	Odd.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	But so you guys don't like the laundry thing, apparently.
	Well, I don't really care about the laundry.
	I just think that that's really weird.
	I would never imagine a guy would ask me on a first date.
	I just want to do it on a first date.
	I fold all the laundry.
	No, you guys don't have to do it.
	Surprise her with it.
	Like, you got to surprise her with the laundry.
	You can't be like, come over and do my laundry.
	It's got to be like, oh, oh, my God, I forgot to die.
	Will you help me?
	Could you do it for me?
	Oh, yeah, could you help me as in you do all the work?
	Yeah, and you just stand there eating, admiring her.
	Wait, have you ever admire her?
	I'd go do something else.
	Oh, but I wouldn't even keep her company.
	I'd just be like, go ahead, do it.
	Wow.
	Has a girl actually ever done that on the first date?
	Have you?
	All the time.
	Wow.
	Okay.
	All the time.
	Oh, yeah.
	Then why aren't you in a relationship then?
	They're so triggered.
	No one is triggered.
	They're really triggered.
	You seem to.
	It obviously hasn't worked, though, because you don't have a relationship.
	Oh, did I say that?
	You said you didn't have one.
	I said I don't talk about it on the show.
	Oh.
	Yeah, because I have stalkers and this sort of thing.
	Okay.
	But are you single?
	Bro, did you just fucking die?
	When I was here last time, you said you were single.
	I did not.
	Yes, you did.
	Because Andrew said he was married and you said you were single.
	Bro, rewind the fucking tape.
	I did not say that.
	That's what I remember.
	I don't know.
	I just don't disclose whether I'm single or not.
	Why?
	Are you not fucking listening to that fucking stalker?
	I'm sorry.
	I'm sorry.
	God damn, bro.
	Talk about fucking boundaries with these chicks.
	I didn't even have a meal when you're a podcast.
	One of the listeners was like, hey, Asshole, I checked all your exes and they don't look anything like you said.
	I was like, you checked all my ex-girlfriends on Instagram?
	Yeah.
	Like, it gets wild out there.
	It's wild.
	It's wild.
	It's jungle out there.
	Be careful.
	It's wild out there.
	I don't even think that's a good rebuttal, though.
	But in any case, can you actually articulate what's wrong with the bow or the laundry?
	Back to the bow.
	I just think it's like, like, you just want to assert dominance and like have her like just do whatever you want.
	And I just, I don't see what the point of that is.
	Like, unless it is.
	What's actually wrong with it?
	Well, because it sounds like you want to dominate.
	See, partner.
	Partner?
	Who said anything about a partner?
	Okay, so that's.
	I want a girlfriend.
	I want a girlfriend.
	I don't want a partner.
	Okay, so.
	Partner?
	Partner how?
	Usually a girlfriend is like your other half.
	Bro, it's so funny to me.
	And what's funny to me is you girls hate any sort of inequality in terms of what men desire in women.
	You literally said you cannot date a short guy, right?
	Didn't you say that?
	No, I said 5'10.
	I think.
	What?
	Am I getting gaslit here?
	Did she not say, oh, yeah, I think 5'10 is very easy.
	Like, crazy height.
	Like, I don't think that's super tall.
	Like, I think that's kind of lenient with heights.
	But there's, like, an asymmetry in what men and women want.
	You guys desire traits in men that you yourselves do not possess.
	Trait is a bow.
	My trait is a submissive woman.
	And this is a litmus test for how submissive she's going to be.
	If she won't do it on the first date, she ain't going to ever do that shit.
	It's not true.
	It's true.
	Even going back to height as well, it's six foot and above.
	I've read statistics that it's like literally 15% of the male population are six foot and above.
	So if girls are saying like they want a guy who's like six foot tall, six figures with a six pack, whatever, that automatically like takes it down to like the top like 3%.
	Oh, it's probably less.
	There you go.
	There you go.
	So you know what I mean?
	And those guys are in high demand.
	Yeah.
	So like, you know, you have those standards, but then, yeah, a guy says he wants his like clothing washed, folded, and iron, and that's just like met with such like dismay.
	You know what I mean?
	Like my girlfriend.
	Like my girlfriend at home when I get home.
	That's just because you shouldn't.
	When I get home, you want a guy to pay on the first date.
	That's pretty normal.
	That's normal.
	Have you ever heard a really laundry on a first date?
	Like, that's not a thing.
	Here's my laundry.
	I can unfold it.
	It sounds more like a job interview than a date to me.
	I know.
	That's funny.
	I'll tell you what.
	When I met my girlfriend on our second date, when I went over to her house, we were sitting and watching TV.
	I put my legs up on a table.
	She got up and she picked up a pillow and she put the pillow and she picked up my feet and she put it under the pillow.
	Okay.
	You know what I mean?
	Just little, just little things like that.
	That's normal.
	Look it up.
	That's nice that you would have to do it.
	Okay, that gives me a favorite chore.
	Yeah, that's like.
	I mean, I've never had anyone do my laundry on the first date.
	Exactly.
	Maybe after a few weeks.
	Yeah.
	So I don't care about normal because what is normal?
	You're not normal.
	You're special.
	Yeah.
	But that's called like, welcome to encountering a man who actually has standards and expectations for women.
	Because most of y'all deal with dudes who will just be happy with a crumb of pussy.
	That's it.
	And so it's weird for you to encounter a guy who needs more than just pussy.
	No, I would say.
	Once you've had enough pussy, you realize you need a bit more than that.
	So maybe the guys you fuck with, you give them some pussy, that's it.
	They're good little lapdogs, and they'll do fucking everything for you for some pussy.
	But, but here's the thing: here's the thing: I have much higher expectations for my girlfriend than just having sex with me.
	Okay.
	In fact, I'm not even arguing.
	There's more important things.
	Sex isn't even that important.
	In fact, there's more important things than the sex.
	Sex, okay, it's fucking 20, 30 minutes, and then I gotta spend the rest of the time.
	20, 30 minutes.
	Oh, is that too short for you?
	No, no.
	I was just, is that your normal time?
	I was just wondering.
	Everyone's like, she's acting like it's a five, three pump trump over here.
	30 minute sex is.
	Oh, sorry, it's too short.
	The 30 minutes.
	I never said that.
	You're insinuating.
	This girl wants to fuck for three hours.
	I'm sorry.
	She wants to.
	What the fuck?
	I did not say that.
	Look, round two, round three, I'm with you, but fucking three hours.
	Look, I'm gonna, 30 minutes, I'm good, okay?
	So look, we can have a bit of foreplay if you want.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Yeah.
	Speaking in general, three pump trump.
	I'm gonna use that.
	Never heard that.
	I'd say pump pump squirt.
	Oh my, that's terrible.
	Change that shit up.
	Change it up.
	You're just giving me a new one now.
	But wait, so hold on.
	Hold on.
	So, okay.
	Yeah, there's more important things than just sex.
	Yes, of course.
	Most men are so desperate that they don't assert any boundaries.
	That's very true.
	They don't assert any boundaries or preferences or standards.
	Yeah.
	Because most men, in terms of their optionality, they don't have a lot of options.
	They take what they can get.
	They're needy.
	They're desperate, whatever it is.
	And it's like, I'm not pressed.
	Like, you can be in my life.
	You cannot be in my life.
	If I don't fuck you, don't give a fuck.
	Don't care.
	Don't care.
	But I have these expectations, a lot more expectations.
	And I've had fantastic treatment from exes.
	And so if I'm going to, like, maybe this is kind of like an alpha widow thing.
	I've had this experience with women who are like really thoughtful in terms of what they bring into my life.
	And like, then I run into a girl that all she's bringing is sex.
	You're not going to impress me.
	So that's why you got to bring it like that's pretty normal.
	Yeah, but I feel like a woman can demonstrate that without just doing your laundry on the first date.
	Yeah.
	I'm going back to the laundry thing.
	I don't understand.
	Like, you're talking about sex.
	I was not talking about sex.
	I was just like, well, okay, so like laundry.
	What else?
	Well, those are just your personal traits when you're like, oh, I have super high standards.
	How else is a woman going to demonstrate this for me or be appealing?
	Well, I feel like there's, you can make it 50-50 in the household.
	My partner does the like puts the laundry in the washer and dryer and brings it up and then I fold it all and I put it all away or I hate doing the dishes He does the dishes So I clean the bathroom and I clean the living room and I tidy up like okay, but look and I know and that doesn't make him like a pussy because he helps out I feel like that makes him a leader because it he shows me that he gives a shit about me being comfortable too.
	Okay, but here's my thought on this so I mean if you guys are working the exact same hours and you have comparable incomes, maybe.
	But if like you're the guy and your girl's got a part-time job and you guys live together and I'm busting my ass working 80 hours a week, yeah, you're taking care of the house.
	Absolutely.
	Absolutely.
	You're taking care of the household.
	Point-blank period.
	I agree with that.
	I'm not working 80 hours a week paying for everything.
	You got a 20, a part-time job.
	And you want me to do 50-50 in the household?
	Get out of here, bro.
	What?
	Well, if you're paying the majority of the bills, then yeah.
	But for example, I work and I do a lot, so my partner does the majority of the housework if he's.
	It's 50-50-egalitarian relationship.
	I don't want an egalitarian relationship.
	Yeah, but that's because you bring more bread to the table.
	Sure.
	That's the only reason.
	Yeah.
	If you were not making as much as her, you'd probably be doing 50-50% of the housework.
	It's not to mean like I'm going to be a slob.
	Like I've lived alone.
	Like I know how to take care of myself, right?
	But yeah, in that sort of dynamic.
	So would you, if you weren't the breadwinner, would you expect her to also do all of the housework?
	Yes.
	That's a good question.
	Even still, yes.
	Because you're still, because a woman, even if we're 50-50, you're still going to look to me to be leaders, excuse me, be a leader in other ways, in other capacities.
	I'm still going to have to take initiative.
	I'm still going to have to lead.
	I'm going to have to put in the front effort when it comes to actually building and developing the relationship.
	I'm going to disagree with you there.
	If you're a bum-ass man and you're not making much money and you're useless, you know, then you can't really command too much from a woman.
	Or you're not really in the place of like authority.
	It's going to be authority.
	It's going to be hard.
	So you got to be of value.
	You know, if you're the breadwinner, if you're making the money, if you own a home or whatever, you have assets to your name, then yeah, it's kind of like the natural progression.
	But if you don't have those things, then you can't really be asking for the feminine side of a woman to be like washing, folding, ironing.
	Well, I think so anyway.
	You've got to bring something to the table as a man.
	Whether that's providing, whether that's safety, whatever that is, you have to bring something.
	And then I feel like it's just a natural inclination for women to submit.
	But if a guy's a fucking bum and he's got nothing, he's piss broke working at Burger King, then it's going to be hard for a woman to like respect him or bow down to him or wash his clothes or fold his clothes and shit like that, you know?
	Yeah, I mean, like, if my partner is doing 100% of the work every day, cleaning, cooking, vacuuming, making everything comfortable for him, because I want to show him I give a shit about all the hard work he's doing.
	But if I'm making just as much money as him or if I am working just as hard as him, like I need a break too.
	And I would need that to be shown as well.
	I suppose that's fine.
	It can be negotiated.
	Anything, I suppose, can be negotiated in a relationship.
	But I mean, we can even take it a bit further.
	If there's a bump in the night, home intruder breaks in.
	Are you dealing with it?
	Or is he?
	Even if you guys are 50-50 and do all the chores together.
	I mean, well, usually men are usually the bigger person.
	It's not even that.
	Sometimes you've got to look at the chores as well.
	Like a woman's not going to go and cut the fucking lawn and cut the like.
	I've mowed the lawn.
	Really?
	I love mowing the lawn.
	That's crazy.
	Yeah, well.
	And like take the garbage out or mow the lawn in the backyard and do all that kind of stuff.
	So like where a woman's like, you know, folding clothes or whatever, the guy's like fixing the backyard.
	And like that's something that I even see like in my parents because they're very traditional.
	Like my dad takes care of the whole backyard, takes the garbage out.
	My mom's just inside cleaning and cooking and folding clothes and doing all that stuff, you know?
	So I think it's also dependent on the jobs because there's like, you know, there's jobs that men are just better at doing and then there's jobs that women are better at doing.
	You know, same like with like taking care of a baby.
	As much as a man can take care of a baby, a woman's going to be 10 times more nurturing and have that feminine energy.
	She's going to be able to raise a child or a baby much better than a man could.
	Yeah.
	Valid.
	Valid.
	I do have a few.
	Oh, we have the other bow video.
	Let's do the other bow video.
	It's a bow video.
	Bow.
	The girls will like this one.
	I think the girls, you guys will like this video.
	All right.
	All right.
	So I love the beginning of this video.
	This is even better than the bow.
	Better than the bow.
	Wait, actually, Paul.
	Please pause.
	We got to get her watching this.
	Start from the beginning.
	She's got to react to it.
	She's going to have strong feelings about the beginning of this.
	So start it from the beginning if you can.
	All right.
	One more time.
	All right.
	This is better.
	This is more effort from the woman's part.
	My brain goes straight to porno.
	All right.
	Chill out.
	All right.
	This is this is great.
	But wait.
	Wait.
	Hold on.
	Oh no.
	Oh no.
	Bro, what the?
	What the fuck?
	Dude, dude.
	No.
	Okay.
	Beginning part, I'm on board with it.
	The end part, not so much.
	What do you think about that one?
	That was a pretty good one.
	I mean, if he's for that, then that's great.
	If it's, I don't know.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Well, that's more of a joke video, but in response to bow.
	So just really quick.
	So when it comes to my bow thing or the laundry thing, just going around the table, I think some of you guys said the criticism was it's not normal.
	Yeah, it is a little weird.
	Okay, sure, sure, sure, sure.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	If I was asked, I'd probably do it, but it is weird.
	It is weird.
	Okay.
	No, that's really weird.
	Really weird, not normal.
	Okay.
	Yeah, not normal.
	Not normal.
	Not normal.
	Not controlling.
	Psycho, red flag.
	Egotistical.
	Egotistical.
	What else?
	Give us some more.
	Just wanting the power.
	The power.
	Power.
	Weird.
	Weird power dynamic.
	Sure.
	Okay.
	Is it not normal, weird?
	I mean, I get where you're coming from, but as a first date, that's a little bit.
	A bit much.
	The laundry.
	Okay.
	A little bit much.
	Not normal.
	Yeah.
	Let me ask you guys a question.
	Would it be normal?
	Would it be normal if two people, they both really like each other and they want to have a relationship with each other and they end up having sex on the first night.
	Is that normal?
	I feel like, yeah, I mean, they really like each other.
	I agree with you.
	I think it's normal.
	Did they just meet?
	Well, it's the first date, so yeah, I guess.
	Is it would you agree that that no one would think that's weird, right?
	It's normal, but I don't think that's good.
	Well, you wouldn't do it, but it's normal, right?
	Yeah.
	In fact, people who have no intention of even being in a relationship will fuck each other within 30 minutes, right?
	Yes.
	Normal?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Not weird, okay?
	I think it's normal.
	Normal.
	Yeah.
	Normal?
	It's normal.
	Normal.
	Unfortunately.
	Normal.
	And then who here has done that?
	First date, hooked up with, I have.
	You got to test the chemistry right off the bat.
	First date, second date, had sex.
	No, no, no.
	Okay.
	So I'm just curious here.
	So just to be clear, I've kind of feel like I got you guys here a little bit.
	So as a guy, I can expect to.
	hold on how do i want to i want to be as i want to be So as a guy, I can have an expectation to penetrate a woman, be inside her, come on her face.
	There's some photos of you on Twitter which are fucking degenerate about that.
	You fucking degenerate.
	But that's another conversation.
	So a girl will desire or want or allow a guy, she will swallow his seed, let him blast on her face or hair or whatever the fuck.
	Hold on.
	Yeah, I know.
	Fucking ear muffs.
	Ear muffs if the thought of oral sex is fucking crazy to you.
	That's normal.
	But if I want a woman to fold my laundry, that's where you draw the line.
	But she can have my sperm in her belly within 30 minutes of her meeting me.
	And that's cool.
	Just to be clear.
	Just to be clear.
	She can swallow my seed.
	No problem.
	She can get it in her eye.
	Ah, fuck.
	Ah, fuck.
	This is really intense.
	You're both receiving.
	Look, I have good aim.
	I have good aim, okay?
	That's cool.
	That's cool.
	But I want a little wholesome, I want a wholesome moment with this potential future mother of my children, and she does my laundry.
	You're not even in the room.
	You're not even there.
	You just thought you said you were going to leave.
	Are you hiring a cleaning lady or are you having a girlfriend?
	Hold on.
	I am getting the vacuum ready for her because I'm a gentleman.
	Oh.
	Yeah, that's right.
	Yeah.
	I'm a nice guy.
	Okay.
	But that's crazy, son.
	Like, you won't bow.
	You won't do the laundry.
	But you'll suck a dude's dick.
	It's crazy, bro.
	But she does something that the girl enjoys, too.
	Nobody likes folding laundry.
	A girl desires it.
	You both are.
	Wait, so but I mean, some girls like don't get, I mean, look, I'm all with you.
	Like a girl can like really like sucking a dick, you know, but like, do you really, like, you don't really get it, like, any, I mean, you're pleasing your partner, right?
	Wait, you're pleasing your partner.
	Whoa, whoa, whoa, wait.
	You're pleasing your partner?
	If you suck his dick, are you pleasing your partner?
	Yeah.
	Wait, we got it.
	Yeah, you're pleasing your partner.
	Huh?
	Yeah.
	So for you, the version of you getting your dick sucked is folding.
	Hold on, hold on.
	But would you say that the woman is she's getting pleasure?
	Why?
	It's an active person.
	Hold on.
	It is an active service.
	She's getting pleasure by pleasuring her partner.
	What if she folded your clothes while sucking your dick?
	She'd be like excellent.
	Ultimate blue.
	Holy shit.
	That's 4D chess.
	Oh, my God.
	That is brilliant, sir.
	Oh, my God.
	That's actually impressive.
	I would be impressed not.
	Multitasking skills right there.
	I would like to focus and suck at the same time.
	I'm going to get you.
	I've totally put this in my OnlyFan notes.
	Blue job while laundry.
	That's a good idea.
	Look.
	Oh, my God.
	We're talking about what's weird, what's normal.
	I just, it's crazy to me that a girl, like, you guys think it's a big ask to do laundry, to fold laundry, which takes like fucking five minutes to fold that shit.
	And then do a bow, which is like three seconds, no effort whatsoever.
	You'll let a man come inside?
	I don't mean to be vulgar, but I'm trying to like I'm using specific language to like and people do that all the time the same girl who won't cook who won't clean who won't bow who won't do your laundry on a first date She'll fuck you She'll let you penetrate her which historically was reserved for marriage, but now 30 minutes after meeting you can fuck okay so like I don't know I don't
	Who cares about what fucking normal is or weird, you know?
	Yeah I think there's standards.
	It's not just not standard.
	Am I wrong?
	Hey if the date's vibing or if the date's vibing and it's going well and she does it cool.
	But like what's a bigger ask fold my laundry or S the D like what's more effort?
	S the D. Sing the D is more effort, right?
	It's like just demeaning.
	Like it's just wait so blasting on your face is not demeaning than really why do you think my skin looks like these girls it's crazy skincare demeaning demeaning I don't know it's just I don't know I just I see that as demeaning when you engage in oral copulation no comment Look, sex is great.
	I'm not trying to like shame sex, it's.
	I'm not shaming the sex, it's just like.
	To me it seems like sex is a way bigger leap or ask than just folding a guy's laundry.
	So you'd rather have your laundry folded on a first.
	I want both okay, but it's like I don't know.
	It seems like.
	So what's your perfect first date is just taking the girl home and seeing what domestic things she can do, or like it's not a bad idea.
	Yeah, like laundry, go to your favorite restaurant and everything you say, look, I know you guys don't like it because the feminist mind virus has been so implanted hold on, hold on, hold on it's been so implanted in you that you can't do anything for a man that, like falls within the domestic whatever.
	That's not true.
	Here's the thing, though.
	Here's the thing is that I'm pretty sure if you, if you did do these things, I think you would have the guys would like it a lot more well.
	I'm gonna throw a pin in there because like, if you go over to a guy's house for the first time and you like oh, can I help clean up?
	I've done, I have done that, I've done, I've done all the dishes, let me ask you a question, do you think the guy will like you less or more?
	Yeah, he likes you more, but like you more.
	I'm not in that relationship with that guy.
	If I like did all of well, I did, I think he did.
	I'm not sure.
	Is this the guy you're dating right now?
	No okay, previous guy, then yeah, but do you think he would like you less?
	No, I think he did.
	I think it was just like respectable.
	It was at his house, so I was like using his kitchen, cleaning up, like doing all that okay, like I feel like that's normal.
	And then I like I did like vacuum and like sweep, but that was because I don't know.
	That's the yeah, good for you, good job.
	But yeah, you dated him.
	For how long I, we didn't date?
	Oh yeah, so she got nothing from doing that?
	No so no, I just.
	But what, what's like what?
	So what if she didn't get anything from?
	Yeah, who cares?
	I was just trying to be nice like, think about, think about this way.
	Like, is a guy entitled to sex if he pays for a date?
	No right yeah, okay.
	So it's like yeah, we put in an effort doesn't mean we're entitled or owed.
	Yeah, he was.
	He was long distance, so it wouldn't have like worked.
	So food for thought, all right.
	So you guys gonna do laundry now, or what have I convinced you, or no?
	Yes, oh yes, I'm just saying, just try it once.
	With who?
	I'm just going to start getting off.
	I'm going to go with you, like, randomly.
	Like, hey, can I do your laundry for you tonight?
	And he's going to be like, oh my gosh.
	Try it.
	Yeah.
	I mean, this applies more if you're afraid of me.
	I guarantee he will say no.
	He will be like, can we just like hang out?
	I think it would work.
	See, my thing with laundry is I fuck everything up in the washer.
	I believe that.
	Yeah.
	The guy's got to do that part.
	I'll fold it, though.
	Let's get into.
	We have a question here from Stiffler.
	Ask everyone to rate their own looks on the scale of 1 to 10.
	Starting with you.
	I would say Can you scoot the mic a little closer?
	Yeah.
	Straighten it up.
	There you go.
	I would say I know I'm pretty attractive.
	So I would say there's a nine because there's always room for improvement with anything.
	So.
	All right.
	Nine, what about you?
	Probably six.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	I would also say six.
	All right.
	What about you?
	Probably like a seven.
	All right.
	Yeah, like six or seven.
	Okay.
	Like a five and a half, six.
	All right.
	What about you?
	A four.
	Four.
	What about you?
	Let's say seven.
	Seven.
	I give myself a five.
	All right.
	Okay, so number nine here.
	Number nine.
	I. Are you asking that as like, do I really think I'm a nine?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	I think I'm a nine just because I've been subjectively told that I'm very pretty.
	So by who?
	Your OnlyFans Veers?
	Yeah, and like online and stuff on the street.
	People stare at me all the time.
	So I've just, I've, you know, objectively, I feel like people say I'm pretty.
	And so I'm being honest.
	Like, I think I am pretty subjectively.
	Could you be a pretty six or seven?
	Absolutely.
	Not you.
	I mean, like, you could still be pretty and be a six or a seven.
	Yeah.
	I think it all comes to preference.
	I mean, there's some people that probably think I'm totally ugly, and that's totally fine.
	But I think the majority of people think I'm pretty attractive.
	And then would you agree with me that women who are nines, these are like supermodels, typically?
	Or are those tens?
	I would say those are tens.
	Those are tens.
	Okay, so you're just like, you're one down from super.
	I take good care of my body.
	I work out.
	I was actually thinking of joining a fitness competition.
	You know, I lift and I take really good care of my skin.
	I, you know, I take good care of my health and my hygiene.
	And I feel like that plays a huge part.
	So.
	And do you think there were other women here at the table who gave their response?
	You ranked yourself the most attractive woman at the table.
	Perhaps you disagree with some of the other women's rankings.
	Maybe you think they rank themselves too low.
	But given what you've heard from the table, do you agree with the assessment of the table?
	Do you think you're the most attractive woman here?
	No, well, you guys are so young, you haven't even grown into yourselves yet.
	Wait, are you saying they're...
	What are you trying to say, bro?
	They're going to be smoking hot for 20 years.
	So you're just talking shit.
	You're saying they're ugly, bro?
	No, they're not ugly.
	What the fuck?
	They're babies.
	They're little ladies, you know?
	Damn, you guys should be pissed off at what you're doing.
	I'm not looking at them in that kind of way.
	They're little.
	They're growing into themselves.
	Like, I don't find you guys sexually attractive because you're babies.
	I don't date people younger than like.
	Oh, are you bi?
	Is that?
	Yeah, I'm bi.
	That's right.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	And it's not because they're not pretty.
	It's just because they're little.
	They're just little ladies.
	When you say little, you mean like they're all in their teens.
	They're still growing up.
	Like, well, you mean adults?
	Yeah, well, I mean, they're adults, but I mean, if you have teens still in your name, you're just still a baby.
	This is a little disingenuous, though, because you can, there's 19 and then there's 13.
	These are totally different.
	Yeah, but like, would you guys consider the older people here that when you were 18 that your mentality is way different?
	That you were like, I was, you know, still growing into myself.
	Oh, sure.
	Yeah.
	I was an idiot.
	I was a loser.
	I was an idiot.
	I was like non-desirable.
	I was in great shape, but I was an idiot.
	True.
	Yeah.
	Could you imagine if like you gave the younger version of yourself like the access to the resources and the money and the political capital you have now?
	Like imagine your ego would just be on fire, right?
	I'd be like, and I was not super gorgeous when I was 18.
	I don't think I got hot until I was like 26.
	Completely opposite.
	What was the question?
	Wait, you were just like mid?
	I was hella mid, I think, until I was in my late 20s.
	26.
	Yeah.
	Prefrontal cortex develops.
	Boom.
	Yeah.
	But what was the question?
	Like, did you guys, would you guys rank yourself hotter now as you're older or when you were younger?
	I was more attractive when I was younger.
	You reckon?
	I think I'm more attractive now.
	I look like a skinny little rubber.
	Looks-wise, looks actually skinny looks.
	Honestly, personality-wise.
	And there you go for the chat.
	I looked at, yo, put that shit away, bro.
	Put that fucking shit away.
	So they were like, roll over your stomach and see a fitness comp.
	And I'm like, okay, there you go.
	18, I'd...
	Yeah, I was better looking.
	And honestly, I think I was, I mean, I've, in some dimensions, I've personality-wise, maybe I've improved.
	I actually think, no.
	Go on, go, go, go.
	I'm super honest with myself.
	I think I'm maybe funnier now, but I'm way more jaded.
	Yeah.
	Way more jaded.
	That comes with age.
	Way more jaded.
	Like, I was a golden retriever when I was 18, 19.
	But yeah, now I've been through shit.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	And not saying you guys aren't adults.
	I'm just saying.
	When I was 19, did a girl have to bow me?
	No.
	Did she have to do my laundry?
	No.
	Because you wanted that pussy.
	Oh.
	Well, you know, I cared about more than just pussy.
	I didn't.
	But I didn't, no, I didn't know how to have, like, when you're young as a guy, and mind you, this is a long time ago.
	When you're young, you don't have you, it's harder for you to have boundaries and standards and preferences.
	Like you, you're a little more, you have less relationship experience.
	So it's harder for you, at least from the guy's perspective, when you're a bit more naive to be able to lead and to be able to be assertive and assert yourself.
	I'm much more assertive now.
	Yeah.
	You know what you like.
	I've been through it.
	I was very bad at being assertive at 18.
	When I was 18, if a girl would leave, I'd be like, no, come back.
	I honestly would have been the perfect moment for you when I was 18 because I would come over to the guy's house and I would do all of his dishes and I would vacuum and I would sweep and I would do all the things.
	When did you start sex work?
	28.
	Oh, wait, 28?
	How long have you been a stripper?
	Three years.
	Oh.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	I didn't start.
	I was late to the game, but I didn't start that very young at all.
	How tall are you?
	5'9.
	Yeah, you're too tall.
	Sorry.
	Even then, at 18, just I only date four.
	If the height doesn't start with like 4'11, it's just kidding.
	I'll date any.
	You know what, Midget?
	I'll know, like, would you date a girl taller than you?
	Because I would have no problem with it.
	I'll date, I'll date a 6'5 girl.
	Yeah, I think sign me up.
	I'd be open to it.
	Like, if she was chill and cool and compatible, yeah, yeah, it'd be good.
	Yeah.
	What were we talking about?
	Yeah, what were we compatible with?
	Telling me about 18-year-olds and what we were like at 18 versus what these guys like at 18.
	Like, do you guys feel like you're prettier now or when you were younger?
	Well, I have a question for that.
	So, here, I'll ask the question, and we'll go around the panel on this.
	So, do you, I'll go both directions with it, but to start, do you think you'll be better looking, so better-looking looks in 10 years' time from looking at my mom.
	I'll be pretty, my mom's gorgeous, but I'm saying conventionally hot until I'm 50.
	All right, sorry, go ahead and repeat that, please.
	I'm saying I'll probably be conventionally hot until I'm 55.
	Just going off of my own family genetics.
	You'll be hot until 55.
	Okay, but so the question is, though, is will you be better looking?
	So, in 10, you're 32.
	Yeah, I think I think I will continue to grow myself.
	I think, but who knows?
	Like, I might, you know, this might be the hill that I die on.
	So, you're 32.
	Will you be better looking at 42 in 10 years?
	I think so.
	And then, 20 years' time at 52?
	I don't know, maybe.
	I think, yeah, you know, I think I'd still be pretty cute.
	Take good care of your skin, fitness.
	People can be still be attractive when they're older, but the question is, like, as a comparison.
	So, 20 years' time, better looking at 32.
	Or sorry, better looking at 42?
	At 52.
	52?
	Oh, no, I would be hotter at 32.
	And then what about better 42?
	42.
	Better looking at 42 than now at 32?
	Yeah, I think I'll still be better looking at 42.
	Okay, and then going backwards 10 years ago, we're better looking at 22 versus now at 32.
	Better looking now.
	Better looking now.
	At 32.
	At 32.
	Than at 22.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Do you have any photos that we can compare?
	Yeah.
	Can I grab my phone?
	Yeah, sure.
	I'll move on to the next person.
	I think I'd be better looking because I'd have more time to invest in myself.
	Better looking in 10 years' time?
	So at 28, you're 18 now.
	Yeah.
	More time to invest in yourself in what way?
	I have more resources to like, I'm going to have more freedom, more time, like work out, eat healthier, like do better stuff, better skincare.
	I'll have more money.
	I'll have more experience in life and I'll be able to go higher.
	20 years time at 38.
	I say yes.
	Okay, 30 years' time at 48?
	I don't know.
	I don't think so, no.
	Okay, so 38 better looking than now at 18.
	28 better looking now than at 18.
	Okay.
	And then you're 18, better looking in 10 years' time?
	Oh, probably.
	Hopefully.
	20 years' time at 38?
	I would want to have kids by then, so probably not.
	I think prime will be like 25 to 30.
	That will be my best time in my head.
	Okay.
	And then what about you?
	You're 18, better looking in 10 years' time at 28.
	Yeah, hopefully.
	Okay, 20 years' time at 38.
	Probably not.
	Okay.
	You're 18, better looking in 10 years' time at 28?
	Yeah.
	And then better looking in 20 years' time at 38?
	Probably not.
	Okay.
	And then you're 37, better looking in 10 years' time at 47.
	And then you're 37, better looking at 27.
	I would say no, I was heavier back then.
	Okay.
	And then better looking at 18 versus now.
	Yes.
	Better looking at 18.
	Yeah.
	Had you not been heavier at 27, would you have been better looking?
	Probably, yeah.
	Yeah, okay.
	33.
	Better looking at 10 years' time at 43?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	And then 20 years' time, 53?
	No.
	And then going backwards, were you better looking at 23 than you are now at 33?
	Yes, I had a lot of recent weight gain.
	So you're better looking at 23?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	But you will be better looking at 43 versus now at 33.
	I'm working on losing the weight.
	I see.
	Okay.
	By the way, we're going to do, keep an eye on the Discord because maybe they did the age increase thing in my bobber.
	What about you?
	Better looking in 10 years' time?
	I don't think so, no.
	It'll be 50.
	And then you're 38 now.
	Were you better looking 10 years ago?
	Or better looking now?
	I think now.
	And then Liam, better looking now or 10 years ago?
	Oh, way better now.
	And then, do you think you'll be better looking in 10 years' time or better looking now?
	I think I've probably peaked.
	Like, I'm at peak looks right now.
	So it's going to enjoy it while it lasts.
	Yeah.
	But have you seen that guy, Zeus?
	He's got the open shirt.
	He's got the Lamborghini.
	He lives in Monaco.
	The older tattooed guy?
	No, like.
	Not tattooed.
	He's got the gray beard and he wears slippers in his.
	Yeah.
	See, he's probably 60.
	That's a good look for a 60-year-old man.
	Yeah, look, people when they're older can be attractive.
	It's a coin toss, but I think I'm at the peak.
	Yeah, keep an eye on the Discord for me, okay?
	What are they doing?
	We're just seeing if anybody submits the aging forward, aging backward thing.
	Let's see here.
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	Any, before I get into the rest of the pre-show notes, does anybody have any disagreements with anything?
	Like maybe you've seen the show before or you disagree on a topic that we haven't already talked about or there's something you heard early on, earlier on in the show that you disagree about?
	Anything?
	Anybody?
	Good opportunity to get a word in.
	Wait, no, I have one.
	Yep.
	Probably the girl who was like, I don't like makeup.
	I don't think girls should wear makeup.
	Oh, okay.
	Yeah, that was a trigger.
	That was just weird.
	Why?
	Well, first, I felt like she was already wearing makeup, so I was confused.
	Sure.
	And then I also just feel like she kind of just said that to like, I don't know, get views or something.
	I felt like it was very like, oh yeah, don't wear makeup.
	Like I feel like people can do what they want.
	If she doesn't like it, I don't know why she had to like basically shame everyone else for it.
	Like women who wear it.
	Are there any things that guys do that you guys don't like?
	Like in terms of how they dress or I don't like skinny jeans.
	Oh, but why should you say that?
	Well, that's just my preference.
	A guy probably doesn't like what I wear sometimes.
	That's just like what they like.
	Like that's like, are they actually, oh God, I'm so sorry.
	Are you wearing here to be personally attacked?
	No, it's not like, it's not like I hate them.
	I just like I like the more like baggier look.
	Not like skater boy baggy.
	I feel like that's more like American style.
	They wear baggy jeans.
	It's probably different.
	The title of jeans and stuff.
	Yeah.
	There's no hate.
	I was just teasing.
	Yeah.
	So wait, the criticism is she.
	I just think her statement was stupid.
	I just think her opinion on it was dumb.
	I don't know why she had to like come out and openly say she doesn't like makeup.
	It was just like, it just seemed weird.
	I don't know.
	I didn't like it.
	Why is it weird?
	Why didn't you like it?
	Well, I feel like...
	Is makeup beyond criticism?
	No, I think that ever, like, you can do whatever you want with your face.
	I don't care, but I feel like making it like shaming women for wearing makeup and saying that it's unhealthy for people is like kind of crazy.
	Let's even grant that she was wrong.
	Let's say it's not unhealthy.
	Although there's probably arguments that can be made that it's bad for your skin, but let's just grant that it's perfectly, there's no.
	Well, I know it's bad for your skin, for sure.
	If you're not like doing skincare and taking it off, like I get it, you can get active.
	But let's just ignore that entirely.
	What's actually wrong with being objecting to makeup?
	I don't know.
	I just felt like it was pretty hypocritical.
	If I remember the video correctly, I'm pretty sure she was wearing makeup.
	Yeah, I think there were.
	So I was just confused.
	Like even just touch-ups.
	What her position was.
	So she came on the podcast and she wanted to be presentable when she's being recorded on camera, but in her day-to-day personal life, she didn't wear makeup.
	Well, then that's fair, but I feel like that doesn't.
	Yeah, no, that is reasonable.
	But then.
	So let's just grant that she's a hypocrite.
	What else in her criticism do you object to?
	Wait, I got to think about it because I've seen it a lot.
	She thinks it's unhealthy.
	She was like, it puts on.
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	Good to see you in the chairman.
	You were saying about the makeup makeup lady.
	Oh, she said it was, she said it like puts on, I forget the, I don't want to like say the wrong things, but she said that it like makes women feel a certain way about themselves, but I forget what it is.
	It was like some, I don't know.
	Yeah.
	But I just, I just remember it that vividly from your podcast.
	And I was like, that is wrong.
	I believe that that's wrong.
	What's wrong?
	I just think that her stance on like saying, no, okay, she has an opinion on it.
	I don't care about her opinion.
	But like she's wearing makeup and she's like, making it so like, oh, it's unhealthy for women.
	said something about like the way it makes you perceive yourself or something like it's like it makes some false like false reality yeah of yourself or something like it makes you think that you're like well no it's just like if you want to put on makeup put on makeup if you If you don't, don't do it.
	I don't really care.
	I'm just saying.
	If you, like, I don't know.
	Well, I don't know how long I want to debate the makeup topic on makeup.
	I'll throw this out, though.
	I think makeup is the functional equivalent of a man working at McDonald's lying, saying that he's a lawyer.
	I'm sorry.
	Okay.
	I don't know if she can't see me.
	She doesn't like that one.
	What are your thoughts?
	It's like a lie.
	Like, you don't really look like how you're doing.
	Closer to the mic, closer to the mic.
	Oh, just saying, like, you don't really look like they're saying you don't look how you present yourself when you're wearing makeup.
	So that's like, how much makeup do you think is too much?
	What do you mean?
	Like, if you would look at someone and you're like comparing your like McDonald's job.
	Oh, okay.
	Well, I mean, I don't know.
	I mean, you're going a bit hard with the eyeliner, but are you wearing foundation or any of that shit on your face?
	I'm wearing concealer, yeah.
	And I have a like a pimple that I'm covering.
	Okay.
	I mean, the style of makeup is obviously a factor here.
	It's you're going for a bit more of a, I don't know what the look is even called.
	Alternative.
	Alternative look.
	So I mean, a little bit of mascara eyeliner.
	I don't really care.
	But if you're putting it on your face and it's going to like rub off on me or on my pillows, then it's like probably too much, I feel like.
	Okay, okay.
	I think it's the right settings for you.
	I've actually heard that from a lot of guys.
	Guys actually prefer the more natural look over the kicked on makeup.
	They would actually prefer no makeup at all if they had a choice.
	That's what I've heard from most people.
	Look, little eyeliner, mascara, fine, whatever.
	Also, the more makeup you wear when you're older, it makes you look older.
	So you kind of want to tone it back as you get older.
	But okay, can we hear?
	I want to see if I can get an agreement on this.
	Is makeup deceptive to bring it to like a dating perspective?
	Is it deceptive?
	Into the mic?
	I don't think like too much.
	But like I get it when you say like okay, Dodd, like you probably like you could have like terrible acne and then like you wear all this foundation and you set it and everything.
	And then like say you like go back to the guy's house and you take it off.
	They're probably like, what the fuck?
	Like that's deceiving because you're like, ooh, I did not know that you look that way.
	I mean, I agree with you that like minimal makeup isn't going to change you super dramatically.
	Like you're still going to look how you look.
	I think it just like highlights the features.
	If it didn't, if even minimal makeup didn't change your appearance, you wouldn't wear it.
	Like if it didn't change how you looked.
	Yeah, I think it enhances it.
	I wouldn't say it changes.
	You wouldn't wear it, right?
	So you wear it to some degree to change something about the way you look.
	Yeah, I would say.
	I wouldn't say change, but I would definitely say enhance.
	Like mascara, it's like, I would say that that's like blackened to make your eyelashes look longer.
	So change.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Well, you have natural eyelashes.
	Like you're enhancing it.
	I'm not like.
	Well, okay, change, enhance.
	We can always use flowery language to try to paint something.
	No, no, no, that's fine.
	Or use the marketing spin to make it a bit more digestible.
	But when you put on the mascara, do you look identical to how you look without it?
	No.
	I don't think I do.
	No.
	You might look very similar, but there has been a change.
	Oh, yes.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	So I don't think we're going to dispute that changes.
	We can give it the lawyer spin.
	No.
	It's enhancing.
	It's all okay.
	Okay.
	And then.
	Oh, what was the other thing?
	Oh, we've got a video.
	Let's pull up that video.
	The Asian woman with the makeup.
	Oh, my gosh.
	Let's pull up that video.
	Have you seen it?
	Let's get it going.
	Oh, okay.
	All right.
	You got to go click, click.
	Face tape and everything.
	F11 again.
	Not like putting shit.
	Guys, while he's getting that up, if you want, the TTS has been lowered to $69.
	Also, like the video, guys.
	Like the video.
	Drop a thumbs up if you guys are watching.
	Get us to 2,000 likes if you guys can.
	Do we have the video ready?
	Yeah, we did.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Go ahead and play it.
	All right.
	So let's hold on, pause it.
	Devon Jackson donated $69.
	A man tells you that he's 5 feet 11 inches, but you show up on the date and he's really 5 feet 7 inches, but he has those insoles that give him 4 inches.
	Do you feel deceived?
	This is actually a really good question because a few of you here at the panel said like height is very important to you.
	So do you feel deceived going around the table, starting with you?
	yes or no um I can probably tell if they were but what do you feel deceived Yeah, I'd probably feel deceived.
	Go ahead.
	He blatantly lied.
	So yes, of course I feel deceived.
	Is wearing makeup blatantly lying?
	Am I saying I'm not wearing makeup?
	I'm all natural.
	No.
	Well, he's not saying.
	He's saying he's 5'11 when he's actually 5'7.
	What if he doesn't say that?
	Oh, well, does he say it?
	I missed that part.
	Yeah.
	Oh, you're right.
	He does tell you.
	You hear Miscellaneous is officially gone.
	RIP.
	RIP's in the chat.
	We're all gonna make it.
	Good to see you in better spirits, Brian.
	C6 sloped's gone sloped.
	C6.
	Thank you.
	Yes.
	Yeah, I heard the misc I think it went down about a week ago.
	I'm not too sure.
	I think it was in September.
	No.
	Wait, really?
	It went down once and then it came back.
	But then it went down again only like a few weeks ago because everyone's just sending me DMs.
	People just don't know what they missed out on.
	Yeah, it was such a good era.
	You had to be there to experience this.
	I can't even explain it, to be honest.
	It was a good time.
	I love that you guys both know.
	What about you?
	So he says he's a very good person.
	Thank you for the nice comment too, brother.
	I appreciate that.
	Yeah, thank you, Cracker Jack.
	Appreciate it.
	That was cool.
	What about you?
	Oh, this actually has happened to me before.
	Yeah.
	And he did have like inserts in his shoes and like everyone knew about it and it was really embarrassing.
	And I just, I don't know.
	Yes, it's very deceiving.
	I thought he looked one way and then he took off his shoe and I was like, why did you just shrink three inches?
	Yeah, it was bad.
	And he would like lie about it too, but you could like see it in his shoes.
	Okay.
	Yeah, I definitely feel deceived.
	Feel deceived?
	Yeah.
	And what about you, too?
	Yeah, definitely.
	Yes.
	And then just to kind of piggyback on this one from Dave On, good to see you in the chat, by the way.
	So he used to have a full head of hair like two years ago, so the photos are still pretty recent.
	But he always wears hats, shows up on the date with a hat, but he's actually bald.
	Deceived?
	Devon Jackson donated $69.
	If he's wearing the shoes, he's standing in front of you 5 feet 11 inches, not lying.
	If you're wearing makeup, you're standing in front of me, not looking how you really look.
	It's the same concern Brian raises.
	Yo, Dave Holland, thank you so much for the TTS man.
	I think the only problem is, and perhaps it's just the wording from your original message, you said a man tells you that he's 5'11.
	So it would have maybe if we had removed that from the original question, like he tells you he's 5'11.
	If he just like shows up, approaches you in person and he's 5'11, makes no mention of his height, perhaps that's where we got kind of tripped up on.
	But bald?
	But where's a hat?
	I like balds.
	As long as he has a beard.
	Is it deceived, though?
	Deceived?
	No.
	Not deceived.
	Okay.
	Deceived?
	I feel like it's not something you need to state, so no?
	Deceived?
	Yeah, I don't think it's that big of a deal.
	Okay.
	Yeah, agreed.
	Yeah, no.
	I'm going into it thinking that he has the hair because of the pictures.
	Is that what you're saying?
	Yeah.
	But then I show up and he's not.
	And he's gotten.
	Yeah, that's deceiving.
	I think it's deceiving.
	Nothing wrong with being bald, just deceiving.
	It's deceiving.
	Bald is beautiful.
	I love bald men.
	I probably only got a year left.
	I'm like, all the stress, all the stress.
	I got one year left.
	I'm going to be losing it.
	You're going to say hit him up for a routine.
	I got you for hair camera.
	It's good.
	Jesus.
	Plump.
	It's holding up.
	It is very nice.
	It's what it was worth.
	Beautiful.
	Thank you.
	Hercules is still going strong.
	Don't jinx me, bro.
	Don't jinx me.
	Don't jinx me.
	Yeah, but so wait, can I get a concession that makeup is deceiving?
	I think it can be.
	Can be.
	Okay.
	Wait, in every instance.
	In every instant?
	It's always deceiving.
	I don't think so.
	To lesser degrees.
	I'll grant you, like, it's, you know, some women wear more than others.
	So it's going to be to a lesser degree.
	Maybe it's like a marginal, just a teeny bit deceiving.
	You know?
	You have one zit and you cover up one zit.
	It's not going to change you a whole bunch.
	Yeah.
	Right?
	Is it a little deceiving?
	I don't think it's deceiving.
	I think everyone wants to look their best.
	And, you know, doing little things here and there just shows that you care about your appearance.
	Buy those platform shoes.
	Can you concede that's a bit deceiving?
	Yeah, I also agree with the notion that everyone wants to look their best, though.
	But yeah.
	Yeah, men want to be as tall as they can.
	Oh my god.
	I do think it's deceiving.
	I can get what you were saying, like putting like some, like covering acne.
	Like I understand that, but I don't know.
	I guess like if it's like super heavy makeup, like I understand that.
	But if it's like pretty natural, I don't really feel like anyone's going to care that much about it.
	Deceiving?
	I guess it like depends in like some situations.
	Yeah.
	How about the situation right now with how much makeup you're wearing?
	Yeah, maybe a little bit.
	Okay.
	All right.
	What about you?
	Deceiving?
	I guess.
	You guess?
	Yeah.
	I guess.
	Why is it hard for you guys to just see?
	Like, I can say, yeah, if a guy wears off, she would still be smoking hot.
	Like, her makeup, I don't feel like is changing anything really about her.
	Like, it's just showing off her high cheekbones.
	She's got like nice eyebrows.
	You down to take it off?
	I got some makeup wipes.
	I don't want to take my makeup off.
	All right, there you have it.
	There you go.
	All right.
	Deceiving, deceiving, yes, yes.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Let's play the video really quick, then we'll move on to the rest of the pre-show notes.
	All right.
	Yeah, you can just play it from here.
	All right.
	There she is.
	What is what?
	Is that soap?
	Maybe she's cleaning the face first.
	All right.
	There it is.
	Maybe she's.
	She looks like what?
	She looks like she's maybe in her 30s, maybe.
	I think she looks 30s.
	30s.
	Okay.
	And I've seen, you know, okay.
	All right.
	We're getting there.
	What the f- What is that?
	What the fuck?
	That looks like asbestos, bro.
	I actually saw this documentary on Netflix where these women with the makeup, some of it had asbestos in it.
	Yeah, they put asbestos in some of the powder shit.
	And these women get fucking cancer from the makeup.
	Bro.
	Hello?
	Hello, bro?
	Dude.
	I mean, obviously, she's got some filters and fucking fake contact sacks and shit in too, but damn, bro.
	I would be deceived.
	I mean, I'd still hit, like, before the meeting.
	She could put it back on before you guys leave again.
	Bro, I'm going to have to like fucking dry clean my fucking pillowcase.
	Did you not see the video she put up against her phone and it came off?
	Okay, well, there's all kinds of makeup technology.
	I'm not aware of it.
	It just stays there.
	It doesn't ever rub off, I guess.
	I don't know.
	Let's see here.
	We have, let's get back to the pre-show notes.
	So going to one sec, guys, I'm getting this pulled up.
	We have, I think we finished all them for you.
	So we have Megan.
	You said you have a lot.
	One of them was an age catfish.
	He said he was in pharmacy school, so you assumed he was over 22.
	Turns out he was 19, and you were 25 at the time.
	So some cougar shit.
	Yeah.
	Nice.
	Okay.
	Did you keep dating him or no?
	No, not after that.
	No.
	How did you meet him dating app?
	No, we worked together at Universal.
	Oh.
	Yeah.
	Hmm.
	It was a little bit of a daughter.
	But did he lie about his age or you just assumed?
	I just assumed he never told me.
	He looked a little older.
	Yeah.
	You could have still.
	I know.
	Yeah.
	I don't know.
	I was a high school math teacher at the time, and I felt like that was kind of weird.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Let's see.
	You said you're conservative, but have hooked up a lot when you were younger and was shamed for it.
	What did you say the body count was?
	19.
	19.
	Okay.
	And what do you mean you were sh and you're 38?
	33.
	33.
	And so this was when you were in college?
	Yeah, like after college.
	And you don't do the hookup stuff anymore?
	No.
	Okay.
	And you were shamed for it, though.
	What is that?
	So what do you mean?
	Like, I told some of my girlfriends about it, and then we were having good fun.
	And then when we were talking about maybe dating one of their guy friends, they basically told me no, that I was too much for them.
	Wait, the guy friend?
	No, my girlfriends told me.
	I was like, I said I was interested in someone.
	They told me no because they knew that.
	The girlfriend told you no.
	Because they knew he would have an issue.
	Yeah, like my friends did.
	Oh, maybe the friends were trying to get with the dude.
	Yeah, they said there's someone else in mind with the little account.
	What's the term for cockblock?
	But for a woman.
	Oh, boxbox.
	Boxblock.
	Trying to box block clam jam?
	Clam jam.
	It's a twax water.
	It's the clam jam.
	It's a box water.
	It's a tox water.
	The twax water.
	The twelfth water.
	That's a cool.
	Let's see.
	You met a guy on Discord.
	You made plans to meet in Memphis.
	Flew in, and he never showed up at the airport to meet me.
	Yes.
	Damn, that's rough.
	Yeah, I was on Discord a lot, and then I finally thought I met someone that was worth pursuing as far as a relationship in person.
	I finally booked a flight because he kept saying, let's go meet in Memphis and finally got there and he wouldn't answer my phone calls.
	And so when, what was the last thing you heard from him?
	Like, was he like, hey, I'm coming to the airport?
	Or?
	We talked on the phone the night before.
	And then he said, yeah, I'll see you in the morning.
	Had you guys exchanged like photos?
	Yeah.
	And phone number?
	Yeah, I don't know.
	I don't know if he was a catfish or something and that's why he didn't show up.
	Then I had to call my aunt and tell her why I was a member of the show.
	You didn't send him money or anything like that?
	No.
	Okay.
	No.
	Who bought the ticket?
	I bought the ticket.
	He said he got the hotel.
	And did you, like, was there, he ghosted you.
	Yes.
	But, like, did you catch up with him afterwards?
	Like, what happened?
	Never.
	Haven't heard in like two years from him.
	So that's weird.
	Yeah.
	Sorry.
	Like, do you think he went to the airport and he like got cold feet type thing or what?
	I have no idea.
	I knew what kind of car he drove and I never saw or what he told me.
	So.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Did you know like his ID?
	No.
	You just knew his Discord username?
	Yeah, phone number.
	Wait, into the mic.
	Oh, yeah, and phone number.
	But like, did you know his real name?
	Did you know any details about him?
	I thought I knew his real name, but now I don't know what I know.
	Damn, that's going to be kind of crazy.
	Yeah, I feel like you've got to do like a vetting, make sure they're real and shit.
	Yeah.
	It's background checks and stuff.
	I'm just saying.
	Yeah.
	And you said you date for marriage.
	Yes.
	Anything else is dating for heartbreak.
	So when you say you date for marriage, what does that look like?
	What does that mean?
	When I go out on a date, I kind of try to get a feel for how they would be or fit into my family.
	Because if I go on a date and I feel like this person is not someone I could take home to meet my family, then it's not worth pursuing.
	You mean your parents?
	Yeah, my parents and my sisters.
	They like conservative sort of people.
	Yeah, they're conservative.
	So if I don't think they would get along with them, or if I don't think, I don't know, if I'm not willing to have them meet my family, then I'm not willing to keep dating them.
	Nice.
	That's wholesome.
	Nice.
	But so you said you used to do the hookup culture.
	Now you're dating for marriage.
	So like, do you, are you waiting for marriage to have carnal knowledge?
	To have cardinal?
	What do you mean?
	Sex.
	No, like.
	Thank you, Tiny.
	By the way, Tiny, thank you for earlier for the gifted.
	So no.
	No.
	I would not wait.
	Like first date, second date?
	Like second.
	Second date?
	Okay, so okay.
	No.
	Sometimes I hear stories like a girl's like hooked up with like 50 dudes and then they're like, oh, now I want to wait till marriage.
	I'm like, okay.
	No.
	Go ahead.
	At what point do you guys take the girls home to the parents?
	Never.
	No, just kidding.
	No, no.
	True.
	Like, at what point did you take your beautiful girlfriend to your parents?
	Good question, actually.
	A few months?
	Four months?
	Five months?
	Yourself?
	I mean, it depends because some relationships move a little quicker than others.
	Like how often you spend time with each other.
	Sometimes relationships, you're not able to spend as much time with each other.
	If it's a bit more long distance, that's a component.
	And then it depends, like, are your parents in the same locality as you?
	If they live across the country, that's going to have an impact.
	Honestly, I like to, before I introduce anybody to my parents, they have to be vetted heavily.
	So like, I'm thinking for me, it's like six months to a year before you're going to meet my parents.
	I would agree.
	Yeah.
	I've not had that.
	I need to get up for a sec, guys.
	I'm going to let the girls, since they're so funny and entertaining and they bring conversation.
	And what else do you guys bring to the table?
	What the?
	What did she say?
	Well, the camera wasn't on when she did that.
	That was probably for the best.
	I was always getting to the table.
	Okay, I don't know.
	Carry the conversation for like, I don't know, three minutes.
	All right, give me some controversial topics before you leave.
	I gotta go, or figure it out.
	Oh, come on.
	Jesus Christ.
	Let them off.
	Okay.
	They're funny.
	Yeah.
	They're entertaining.
	I met my current boyfriend when I was 15.
	He was my oldest brother's best friend.
	Oh, wow.
	So he already knows my family.
	When you were 15, he met your parents.
	Yeah.
	But I hated him.
	Did you?
	He was an asshole.
	What if we go around the table?
	At what point would you have you taken your boyfriend to meet your parents?
	Typically, I'm friends first, so like through friendship, my parents already know the person.
	And then maybe after a couple months, four or three months, I'd probably make them aware.
	I think I was like really lenient with it, like for a while, and now I like realize it's like super important to me.
	So I would say it like takes a little bit longer.
	But because I live far away, my hometown is far away from Santa Barbara, I like brought my current boyfriend now, and we haven't been dating that long to like stay at my house because I was like, I literally needed to sleep there.
	So he met my mom and stuff.
	Nice.
	Yeah, maybe like two months.
	I mean, the guy I'm with right now, I met him in high school, so he already knew my parents and was like around them since the start.
	But now I guess if I hadn't met him and I like met him through college, I would probably take like a month or two to bring him back home.
	My dad just met my fiancé in April and he still has not met my mom.
	Nice.
	I'm just not close with my family.
	That's right.
	I don't have parents for my girlfriend to meet either.
	He's my family.
	That's all that matters.
	No, I've literally, sometimes I think it's weird because I don't have a dad left when I was 10.
	My mom's a drug addict, so I don't have any parents.
	It's a weird conversation with girls because they're like, when can I meet you?
	I'm like, there's no one to meet.
	Yeah.
	Well, Batman had no parents, so it's okay.
	I don't think I'd let them meet them until I was sure that might be someone I would marry.
	Oh, good.
	So that's a hard line.
	Yeah.
	Like that's what I was like, I don't want to, I don't want to like.
	Yeah.
	I don't know.
	Yeah, like bringing straight cats from me.
	You kind of knew yours was the one, right?
	So you're kind of on the same point.
	No, I mean, I had to wait a bit, obviously, and just suss out the situation.
	Brian, no, about five months.
	Yeah.
	You have to, like.
	But you knew she was the one anyway.
	Oh.
	Yes, I did, but I'd still, you still need to wait a little bit before introducing him to the family.
	You know, you've always been.
	Yeah, they are very beautiful.
	Yeah, thank you.
	Thank you for that.
	They're very, very beautiful.
	Yeah, so, but you still have to go through the process, you know, go on dates, get to know each other.
	You know, we're living together, so time obviously was sped up a lot, but I still think before introducing them to the parents, you should let the relationship flourish a little bit before you make that move.
	You guys need to be solid first before you bring them to your parents.
	Yeah, you want to like, you know, make some memories, do some things together, live with each other, like go on a holiday together.
	Just do things together before bringing them like to your family.
	You know?
	Yeah.
	Especially when you've got beautiful family.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Thank you again.
	What's about what about so wait your current?
	What about you?
	I don't have any parents for them to meet.
	No, my dad left when I was 10.
	My mom's a drug addict, so I don't really want him to meet a junkie.
	So for us.
	She'd probably be passed out anyway.
	I more or less have to protect my girlfriends for what parents are.
	Maybe I can get a doctor by yours.
	Oh, wow.
	So when your dad called me one time, he was the nicest.
	And he spoke so nicely.
	I was like, imagine having a dad that like gives a shit about you.
	You know what I mean?
	He's a very good man.
	I was on the phone.
	I was like, can I ask to be adopted by your dad?
	You did end up liking him a lot.
	I do remember that.
	He's a really, really nice man.
	He's a good man.
	No, you're very lucky, brother.
	I have a question for you.
	So I kind of have this opinion that women dictate when the sex happens and men dictate when the relationship happens.
	When was it that you kind of realized with your current girlfriend that she was what you wanted?
	What did she bring that made you be like, this is the girl I want to get serious with?
	That's a good question, actually.
	Really great question.
	So she had her own thing going on.
	So she has her own career.
	So she's like career-driven.
	I thought that was very attractive because in the past I would have partners that didn't really do too much or anything and they were kind of just hanging off me and it just made me exhausted after a while because it just felt like they were just like, you know, I had to constantly appease or do something or just always like doing things together.
	Whereas I've got like a pretty busy life doing my own thing with the social media and all that jazz.
	I'm always traveling.
	I'm competing and doing this and that.
	So it was nice to know that she had her own thing going on.
	It made it a lot easier and we're at the same wavelength.
	As well as that, just lots of like familiar interests like music, gym, and just into fitness.
	And as well that she just brought a lot of value to my life.
	Like she came into my life and made a lot of things like easier, like helping me clean around the home, helping me wash and fold the clothing as well, which I'm fucking hopeless at.
	So she came in and just like fixed all that for me.
	And she made my home feel like a home before it was kind of like a little bachelor pad.
	And she moved in and she helped me just like, you know, spruce it up, add love to it.
	You know, as a woman, like has that touch that a man could never have.
	Get rid of the lawn chair and living room.
	Say again?
	I said, get rid of the lawn chair in the living room.
	Yeah, throw it on the Comsocks.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	She made my home feel like a home.
	Because of that, yeah, I just saw that value and I didn't get that from other partners in the past.
	So at that point, I knew.
	I'm like, okay, cool.
	Like, I can definitely see myself dating this girl.
	Do you feel that?
	She made my life easier and she added value.
	So that's the two things I can do.
	That's big.
	Your whole energy shifts when you get that right support as well.
	Yeah, just life feels easier.
	Instead of feeling like a battle and things are harder and there's stress and fights and arguments, things are just easier.
	It's like more free-flowing.
	So I would implore all you ladies as well, like, you know, be the peace to your man's life because that's sometimes the best thing you can do to a male, you know?
	Just be that piece, be that shoulder that he can lean on, help around the house.
	It's not about being like submissive or dominant or anything like that.
	It's just about, you know, being just being a pleasure to your man.
	So he can come home from work or a long day, whether he's an entrepreneur or the businessman, does 905.
	He wants to come home to a peaceful home, especially if he's a man, like just with a lot of shit on his mind, doing a lot of shit.
	No one wants to come back.
	No man wants to come back to fights and arguments and this and that and being nagged.
	And I guess, yeah, so that's something I found with my current girlfriend, which made it very easy for me to date her, you know?
	She made my life easier.
	I don't know if a lot of girls realize this, but we have like a superpower when it comes to our men.
	Like we can bring out their best versions of themselves.
	We have that superpower.
	And I feel like nowadays women are squandering that superpower.
	Yeah, I have to agree with you.
	That's actually a really good point.
	Women have so much power.
	Ladies don't realize how much power you have, but a woman can literally come in and just be a man's backbone, you know, and just elevate him to levels that he never thought he could reach.
	But on the flip end of that, the wrong type of woman can come in and just ruin a man completely.
	That's also true.
	That's really true.
	Well, the two girls I was with in my 20s were with me when I had zero dollars and they supported me until I made several million dollars.
	In fact, I remember one girl, I almost went bankrupt.
	I lost all my money.
	And I'm like, oh, what are we going to do?
	Like, well, be homeless.
	She goes, we'll just go live with my parents.
	I'm like, I'll literally just rob a bank before we live with your parents.
	She goes, that attitude is why we're not going to be poor.
	And that kind of just made me work harder.
	So a woman really can be a man's backbone.
	Because she was with you in it.
	100%.
	I've literally been supported from bankruptcy.
	I'm like, all right, they're going to leave.
	Yeah.
	To I'll be with you no matter what.
	I believe in you no matter what.
	And I've gone on to make millions of dollars because of that support.
	On the flip side, I've seen men lose millions of dollars because they chose the wrong partner.
	And I always say to them, I say, whose fault is that?
	Is it your fault?
	Sorry, is it the partner's fault or is it your fault for choosing someone off the bat who you know is going to be detrimental to your success, right?
	Imagine if you're trying to run this podcast and some girl's blowing up your phone and abusing you and you can't succeed when you've got that.
	But I personally put the blame on the man.
	I think you have to choose.
	That's because the man chooses the relationship and women are the gatekeepers of sex.
	I have a question for you.
	Where are the women that helped you be who you are today?
	What are they doing now?
	What are they doing now?
	They're happy.
	They've got partners that enjoy their lives.
	That's good.
	Yeah, I have nothing but good things to say about them.
	Is there a follow-up question?
	No, I was just wondering because sometimes men get lifted up, but then they change partners and the woman put all this time and energy into lifting them up and then they got tossed aside.
	So I was just wondering if they needed help with anything, would you still go back and like help them out?
	Of course.
	Of course.
	But I feel like they've succeeded in their own way because they're with men that they really appreciate and they're in happy relationships.
	And I feel like because I work so much now anyway, it's kind of like they're more better off.
	Yeah.
	Well, were you going to say like, oh, well, they were so great, but where are they now?
	Is that what you're asking?
	I mean, not in that way.
	But I just wanted to make sure that, you know, the woman is taken care of too.
	Oh, yeah, they're in a relationship.
	Because I was married for seven years, and my ex-husband came from Egypt and he had nothing.
	He was sleeping on an air mattress and I met him.
	And now he's got a green card and now he works, you know, at a really nice job.
	And like, I broke up with him because we had differences in religion and stuff.
	And I wish him all the best.
	I wanted him to find what was his, what he needed, and it wasn't me.
	And I feel like it's selfish to stay with somebody and try to force them into like your box.
	Like he deserved to have what he wanted and I deserved to have what I wanted.
	But I, you know, he's, I don't know what he's doing now, but I'm hoping that, you know, whoever, whoever helps each other out, I hope that the person that helped that person didn't get, you know, the shit end of the stick.
	I got very fortunate.
	It was always remarkable.
	But I've seen the flip side where like really great men have been torn down by like terrible, terrible people.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	One guy, he never recovered from it.
	Actually, I probably shouldn't spill his dirty laundry.
	But he had his life ruined by two different women.
	Yeah.
	So yeah, he lost a decade, five years each.
	He wasn't allowed to see his friends for like most of the five years.
	He had coercive control, isolation, all sorts of stuff was terrible.
	Yeah.
	You need to choose correctly in life.
	Be careful.
	I'm especially at risk because it's the shy ones, bro.
	Well, like extroverted chicks.
	Like they don't do that shit.
	Well, I was going to message you about this.
	Or do they?
	I was going to message you.
	Yeah, they probably do that shit too.
	Privately.
	It's the quiet, shy ones.
	Gotta be careful for those ones.
	Can I bring up a question?
	I was gonna actually just message you this post.
	They're the best and the worst.
	Have you been on the saving end of a baby-a-day relationship?
	Yeah, I was in a...
	Well, she had BP...
	Well, I mean, could you think?
	I suspected.
	Could you think about it?
	She didn't have a diagnosis.
	So I don't want to be one of these people that just throws around the word like narcissist or bipolar.
	But like, I'm very, fairly confident she had borderline personality disorder.
	And so you know how bad that can get.
	I think I got a tame one too, but it was bad.
	Yeah.
	How bad did yours get?
	Compared to the horror stories, I got out lucky.
	My buddy.
	Yeah.
	But it was.
	A couple of battle scars?
	It was the most chaotic, fucking insane.
	Because I knew you had information on this topic.
	A buddy of mine got put in jail from one.
	Because she goes, she goes, if you leave, I'm going to just report you to the police.
	And he's like, I'm leaving.
	She goes, all right, she calls the cops.
	The cops come.
	And she's like, I just wanted to scare him.
	And they're like, well, someone's going to get arrested.
	She's like, I'll just take him.
	And he goes to jail and he sits in jail for two days.
	Yeah.
	And he just sits in jail because she wanted to scare him.
	And she's like, oh, no, he didn't touch me.
	I was just scared.
	And I'm like, she literally put him in jail to stop him from leaving.
	Well, I mean, look, these things definitely happen.
	There's this one video I saw of this man and he recorded on his phone, but he was trying to break up with his girlfriend.
	And she was like not letting him leave.
	And like, it's a very good thing that he was recording the whole thing because she was like getting on the phone with her mom or something and like saying things that were happening but weren't.
	This was all recorded.
	He released it and I forget exactly what she was saying, but he was just like recording, standing there, totally peaceful.
	And he was like, can you please let me leave?
	And she was like, oh my God, he's trying to do, you know.
	So to that point, this guy got a lawyer.
	And his lawyer goes, if it happens again, record.
	And it did happen again.
	And he recorded.
	And the cops came again.
	She's like, I'm in fear for my life.
	He's like, I'm just standing here at the door.
	And then the cops came, looked at the footage.
	They're like, yeah, she's mental.
	And that's, it's like, it's criminal behavior to threaten false imprisonment against like a man or anyone, really.
	You can't threaten to falsely imprison someone.
	But this is the reality for a lot of people.
	If you don't choose correctly, this is what you could end up with.
	I mean, I've talked about it briefly in previous shows, but like the biggest thing for me when I was dating this girl who had BPD, it was impossible to break up with her.
	Oh, I had the same thing.
	Like I would break up with her.
	She would get different emails.
	She would call me from other people's phones.
	Yep.
	Yep.
	Like came by my house.
	Yes.
	And then would like, but it would be like, it was difficult because she would be like, oh my God, I'll never do it again.
	Yep.
	Yep.
	Or whatever.
	And then like super jealous.
	Yeah.
	Super jealous.
	She'd get mad about girls I dated before her.
	Yeah.
	Like, oh, you dated a girl three years ago?
	Fuck you, you piece of shit.
	How dare you date her?
	Like, three years.
	I was like, I didn't even know you.
	Dude, you could talk to a parking mate or they'd stab the parking meter.
	But no, like.
	It was impossible to break up with her.
	Because I was like, she was so persistent and it was so kind of like, I don't know if the right word is alarming, but I was like, maybe I can just, it'll go away if I just get back.
	I know that sounds fucking crazy, but until you've been in a situation like that, now I would be ruthless.
	I've been in the same thing when I was younger too.
	It works both ways.
	One woman led me to a suicide attempt, but another woman made me feel on top of the world.
	Love the show.
	First show I've donated.
	Thank you, Brian.
	Yeah, and just to be clear, like, thank you, Logan.
	Really appreciate it.
	Absolutely goes both ways.
	Bad men, bad women out there.
	With the exception of this one relationship, and I don't like to talk poorly about past relationships or whatever, but been in a bunch of fantastic relationships.
	Although I'd sing these other women's praises.
	I just had one particular relationship that was pretty bad.
	And I was young, too.
	It was my second relationship.
	So I was still kind of naive, young.
	Didn't really know.
	And I didn't know about it.
	I didn't know what this was.
	I just thought she's a bit eccentric or she's a little over-enthusiastic or she really likes me or some shit.
	But like, yeah, it was hard to fucking break up with this scroll.
	Oh, yeah, and they do this, um, there's this abuse tactic called idealization versus devaluation, where they'll suck you and be like, you're the best person I've ever met in my entire life.
	And then when they get you close enough, they're like, you're a piece of shit because you had a girlfriend three years ago.
	Fuck you.
	And you're like, wait, what?
	How did I get pulled in and then pushed down like that?
	But it's like a tactic.
	But when you're young, you don't really know.
	You know what I mean?
	You got to wear some of those battle scars to kind of survive and choose correctly.
	Hard lessons learned.
	Yeah, for real.
	Like, until you roll the dice and land on a crazy person, you ain't expecting it.
	Because if all, like, if all the previous people you dated are normal, but then once you land on them, you're like, oh, this, I have not experienced this before.
	And not in like a good way, but it's like you don't know how to deal with it.
	Yo, Vector, Girl in Chair One, how would you feel if your boyfriend all of a sudden wanted to stop banging other women and would rather blow his load into sex dolls?
	Does the dynamic change?
	Thank you.
	Thank you, Vector.
	I don't even know how to answer that.
	I mean, I guess whatever he jacks him off to on his own time is his own business.
	No, but what would you prefer, right?
	Oh, I would prefer sleeping with women.
	That's actually a really interesting question.
	It's like, so would you prefer, I mean, you're poly, but even opening it up to the other girls on the panel.
	Like, would it be more pathetic if your boyfriend started banging sex dolls?
	Like, would you prefer him to cheat with a chick?
	Over a sex, like a sex doll?
	Yeah.
	Ugh.
	Yeah.
	Ugh.
	See, I've watched my dude bang other women and it's hot.
	So that, like, I'd rather choose that.
	we don't do that behind each other's backs it's always wait but what did you question so So does he sleep with other women?
	But you guys do swap.
	We do swap, yeah.
	In the same room?
	Oh, I didn't know.
	I thought it was like, whatever.
	No, no, when we swap, it's same room.
	We don't ever.
	Would you prefer it unilateral?
	So you get to fuck other people, but he doesn't.
	And he was fine.
	No, he's fine with it.
	Would you prefer that over it being open on both sides?
	No.
	I like the equality.
	Like, a lot of guys on here will probably be like, oh, I'd love to be poly, but my woman's not allowed to fuck other dudes.
	I don't think that's fair.
	And a lot of people feel that way.
	But for me, I feel like if, you know, if he's going to sleep with a woman, then it's only fair if I find the male attractive that I get to sleep with a male.
	And that's, he's, he totally agrees with that.
	So he doesn't.
	Word.
	Word.
	Okay.
	Here, really quick, going around the table on this.
	Would you prefer your boyfriend cheat on you with another chick or a sex doll?
	I'd rather him not be unloyal.
	It's kind of weird.
	It's like, covered.
	Wait, sorry, which one?
	I'd rather him not be unloyal and cheat.
	What do you got to pick one?
	That's doll.
	Sex doll or but you still dump him, right?
	Like he fucks a sex doll.
	I don't know.
	I'd have to convene.
	Like you walk in on him fucking a sex doll.
	But see, it's just a moment.
	So it's kind of cheating.
	It's weird.
	Can you say the same thing for women using vibrators?
	I mean, they're using a tool.
	I don't know.
	I don't know.
	What about a pocket pussy?
	Like, is that the same thing?
	Maybe.
	What about a pocket pussy?
	Is that the same as a sex doll?
	I think if you scoop into the table, it might be a bit.
	What about you?
	What do you think?
	I just cannot know other women.
	I would.
	So you pick the sex doll.
	Yeah.
	What about you?
	Yeah, the sex doll.
	Sex doll?
	Yeah.
	Doll.
	Sex doll.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Thank you, Vector.
	Appreciate that.
	So where were we?
	We were getting through.
	Let's see.
	I want to bring it back to Keely.
	Yeah.
	That's you.
	I might have mixed up the notes, but food poisoning, was that you or?
	Yeah, that was.
	Oh, that's you.
	Okay, so Mallory.
	Yeah.
	Food poisoning on first date, you did what?
	I just, I had to have him pull over on the side of the road because I felt really sick after eating sushi.
	And then, yeah, I threw up in front of him and then I threw up a little bit in his car.
	In the car.
	Yeah.
	Did you offer to clean it?
	Yeah.
	No, I totally cleaned it.
	You cleaned it.
	Yeah.
	But yeah.
	Okay.
	And your other, your next note was being a hoe, bad.
	That's actually what it says.
	What's the dash?
	I know.
	There's a dash.
	Yeah.
	Being a hoe, dash, bad.
	That was just more about the hookup culture.
	Hookup culture.
	Yeah.
	There's something we agree on.
	Yeah.
	Being a hoe, bad.
	Yeah, like, I don't know.
	I just don't like the idea of the hookup culture nowadays just sleeping around like a lot to like a certain point, I guess.
	It's just like, I don't know.
	Sure.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	You said people shouldn't be friends with the opposite gender in relationships.
	Actually, something else I agree with.
	John, do you want to expand on this a bit?
	I mean, there's like certain situations where I do think it's okay, but then there's just others that I just don't.
	And I see other women talk about how they would like be comfortable with their boyfriend, like hanging out one-on-one with a girl or even just like, I don't know, just other like random situations that I just definitely would not be comfortable with.
	But I mean, that's just me.
	And it's each, each their own.
	I don't like shame other people for allowing, not allowing, but not being upset at their boyfriend for hanging out with other women like that.
	Sure.
	But me personally, I would just appreciate to keep it all guys and out of just respect.
	His friends.
	Yeah.
	And then what about you?
	Like, you don't have male friends either, right?
	Yeah.
	Or second?
	Not like that.
	Wait, so you're.
	No, it's the same standard both ways.
	Yeah, definitely.
	So you don't have male friends?
	Yeah, no.
	Okay.
	Not like, I don't know.
	There's just, it's very much depending on situational factors, but not people that I would hang out with like all like regularly like text them, like hang out with them all the time type of thing.
	But like I guess I could call people my friends that are males and he could do that too.
	But it's just, it's like situational, I guess I'd say.
	So controlling of you.
	I know.
	I know.
	No, I agree with you.
	I agree with you.
	I think there is a bit of impropriety if you're dating somebody and they have a bunch of friends of the opposite sex.
	Yeah.
	And well, certainly I think maybe most of you picked sex stones because once you're music robots that also fold laundry, you are almost screwed.
	Oh my goodness.
	Yeah.
	I wonder who's going to be quicker to adopt the usage of like girlfriend robot, sex robot.
	Probably men.
	Yeah.
	Probably women.
	Definitely.
	Yeah.
	100%.
	I feel like.
	I don't know, man.
	Because I feel like women are really dissatisfied with men.
	You could probably mute a robot, too.
	Like, this robot could be a fucking Giga Chad.
	And he'll like, he'll be perfect for you.
	Yeah.
	Because I feel like women are more picky.
	So like, It's harder for you to find a guy that like fits into what you need and want.
	In what?
	Just in general?
	Yeah, like I think women have tend to have higher standards than men and they're pickier than men.
	Yours are pretty high.
	Maybe I'm an outlier.
	But oh no.
	I don't think.
	Look, I don't ask for much.
	I'm very low maintenance.
	Very low maintenance.
	So what do you mean with the sex dolls for women?
	I'm confused.
	Well, I'm like, pardon me.
	Like, we would have to do that.
	Like, in terms of who's going to adopt more to it, like, who's going to be like more fulfilled by it?
	I mean, definitely men, but like, I think this idea that women aren't going to like, bro, this robot can like open jars for you and shit, kill all the spiders.
	Like, that's pretty cool.
	You know, it's like my boyfriend.
	Like, last longer than like three seconds or whatever.
	No, I don't have okay.
	There's no problem there.
	See, that's going to be, that's going to be the end of the world right there.
	The sex robots?
	Yeah.
	Probably.
	Yeah.
	Probably already like we'll never procreate ever again.
	It'll just be the sex room robots.
	And they'll make little robot babies.
	I wonder whole.
	Would you be super honest, though?
	Don't like, would you, would you get with the sex robot?
	I mean, they also like did laundry and shit.
	If it did my laundry, I'm like, oh my god, the laundry room.
	It does my protein shakes.
	It does your protein.
	Pre-workout?
	Post-workout.
	That's a hard yes already.
	Hard yes.
	If it makes my pre-workout and my protein shakes, my meals for my training.
	Yeah, that's going to be great.
	That'd be worth every penny.
	Yeah.
	Everything.
	Does it help me to be my spotter in the gym as well?
	Spotter in the gym.
	Oh, my God.
	And she PRs more than you.
	Oh, wow.
	So she can push me in the gym.
	Yeah.
	She squats more than you.
	Brian, that's a definite yes.
	Boom.
	What the fuck?
	Easy.
	Like, deadlift.
	Imagine she'll be motivated.
	This robot will motivate me.
	I know.
	This mechanical piece of shit is lifting out of the way.
	What's my other one?
	That's crazy.
	That's funny.
	That's funny.
	Yeah.
	Okay, but okay.
	Moving to Keely.
	Keely.
	Crazy door.
	Sorry, tongue-tied.
	Crazy dating story I had was when I was on a date with my boyfriend at the time and his car broke down on the side of the road and a car drove by us that was a previous fling and that guy parked behind us and ended up jumping my wait.
	Hold on what?
	Yeah, tell us the story, go ahead.
	Um, so my ex-boyfriend and I were dating and he drove like a 66 Mustang that he like built so he tried to do like a burnout in it at a stop sign and it broke down.
	So we kind of just like pushed the car to the side.
	We were waiting on like triple-a or whatever to come and like help us and his like feet were out the window and he was like laying in my lap and I was sitting in the passenger seat and I like saw this guy that I was talking to like we didn't date or anything but he like drove by and I was like oh, that's super weird.
	And then he drives behind us again and then like parks right behind us and I thought he was like gonna come out and help us, but that was not the case and he like pulled my boyfriend out of the car and started like punching him and it was so bad, like literally, they were like fighting on the side of the road, it was like crying, it was really aggressive.
	Yeah wait, and is this your current boyfriend?
	No, this is my ex-boyfriend, my most recent ex-boyfriend.
	Okay, so it was a different.
	Okay, I know um What were, but you were broken up with this guy, right?
	We never dated.
	He, I don't really know, he was just upset that I think that I got with this other guy and like made it official with him rather than you guys never dated.
	No, we never dated.
	Oh, you said previous fling.
	Yeah.
	So what you guys did fling for a month or something?
	Yeah, it was not long at all.
	It was like maybe like two months.
	And then so how long after the end of the fling did this happen?
	Super recent.
	Like right after it.
	Oh.
	So like I was wrong.
	I mean no, yeah, it was super wrong.
	I felt so bad.
	I like apologized so much.
	How recently, how recent?
	This was over a year ago.
	No, so I mean like you had the fling, that's over.
	And then you were dating a new guy.
	Probably like a month after.
	Wait, was there overlap?
	No, there wasn't like overlap.
	It was like the reason like I met my ex-boyfriend was like something stupid and I was never like exclusive with that other guy.
	So then I met my boyfriend and we were hanging out as friends and then it became like something that I was like, oh, I like want a relationship with this person.
	So then I decided to get into a relationship with him rather than the previous guy who was like asking a lot for a relationship and I was like, no, I don't want one.
	I don't want one.
	So he was like upset that I got they know each other?
	No.
	Not at all.
	Didn't know each other.
	No, they knew of each other, but they didn't know anything about each other.
	I think you made the right choice.
	Oh, yeah.
	I know.
	I did.
	And so this was their first time ever meeting in person.
	Yeah.
	Were you followed?
	No, he, I honestly don't know.
	It was so I would say it's small, but it was just like such a crazy like, oh, it was so bad.
	So can you elaborate on the fling gets out of his car and then like do they exchange words?
	No, he literally just starts punching his shit out of the boyfriend's in the car.
	The fling does he grab him and drag him.
	Literally just starts punching the shit out of him in the car, leans through the car because the windows were down.
	It was so crazy.
	Yeah, it was really bad.
	Wait, so he's punched your boyfriend's in the car.
	Yeah, and he just like gets like, yes.
	So do they start, does he get out?
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	My boyfriend like gets out of it because he was like trying to pull him out by his feet.
	And then my boyfriend at the time like got out of the car and was just like, what the fuck?
	Like they were just like, because it was like literally out of nowhere.
	Like I was like, oh, this is so weird.
	Like why is he like walking to the car right now?
	Like what?
	And then he just freaked out.
	And how long were they fighting for?
	I don't know.
	He like probably like 20 minutes and then yeah, it was a while.
	There's like this well I couldn't do anything because the previous fling he was like 6'4 I think he was a big guy.
	Wait, the previous ex-fling was like 6'4, 200.
	Yeah, he was a big guy.
	6'4, 200 pounds?
	Yeah, he was big.
	How tall was your boyfriend?
	Like 5'9, 145.
	Holy shit, this is so fascinated to him.
	I know.
	He didn't have a bad thing.
	How did the fight last 20 minutes?
	Well, surprisingly enough, I was freaking out.
	So I was like screaming the whole time.
	The fling is like walking back to his car.
	I'm screaming at him.
	I'm like punching his window, all this stuff.
	Anyways, my boyfriend at the time had like no marks on him, like nothing.
	There was not a single scratch on his body.
	I was really, I don't know.
	I guess he defended himself well.
	They were fist fighting, literally punching the shit out of each other.
	Yes.
	It wasn't like a little ooh.
	No, it was like a bullfight.
	They were fist fighting for 20 minutes.
	Yeah, like pulling out.
	That's a UFC.
	This is bullshit.
	That's a UFC flight.
	20 minutes?
	Yeah, like pulled him up off the ground, slammed him on the concrete.
	Let's just think about this.
	20 minutes.
	Okay, 20 minutes I might be like, I wasn't timing it.
	Like, I don't even want.
	Like, one minute.
	No, it was definitely not a minute.
	It lasted for a minute.
	A while.
	Not like a minute, but like a while.
	Yeah, they lost maybe one minute, two minutes max.
	Yeah, but that's like a knockout or like something like a guy gets seriously punched.
	Like he did not get seriously punched at all.
	I love myself talking a lot.
	Coming back and forth.
	So I wrestled in high school.
	We had, it was three periods.
	That's a UFC match.
	20 minutes, five minute rounds for the first time.
	Okay.
	No, but that's fucking long.
	Forgive my exaggeration on time.
	Probably like next, maybe like five minutes.
	Maybe five minutes.
	Yeah, it was probably like six or eight.
	But in that moment, it feels like a lifetime.
	Oh, yeah.
	It felt super long.
	But so I wrestled in high school.
	You'd have three two-minute periods.
	By like, you're already fucking your gas tank.
	Off to three minutes.
	For most like high school students, like your gas tank is gone.
	Yeah, but like that's like you're wrestling.
	This is like fight or flight mode, would you say?
	So you would get gassed even quicker because in wrestling, like, I mean, it's still like, it's just as physically.
	But like, you're going to get gassed way faster because you're in fight or flight.
	Mm-hmm.
	Most people in a fight are going to, their gas tank is done after probably two minutes.
	I have no idea.
	I was.
	I'm sorry.
	There's no way non-trained people are fighting for 20 minutes.
	Okay, this is probably exaggeration.
	Forgive me, but it felt like a long time in my perspective.
	It was very scary.
	Time dilation, dilution.
	I know.
	I felt very fast.
	In any case, who won the fight?
	I wouldn't say that anyone won.
	It wasn't like a win.
	I would just, I don't even.
	Were they hitting each other with their purses?
	That's what I thought.
	I swear, because I literally know nothing on my ex-boyfriend.
	Or, yeah, my most recent ex-boyfriend.
	There was nothing on him.
	What's the Indiana Jones way as well?
	Yeah.
	There was no marks or anything, so I was very confused.
	It was like really intense.
	Like on concrete, too.
	The guy wasn't able to.
	I know.
	That's what I thought.
	Well, he like picked him up and like threw him on the ground a couple times, but he was fine.
	And they're exchanging punches?
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	All right.
	No, I believe it.
	Just they just have bad aim.
	I don't know.
	I couldn't tell you.
	I kind of blacked out at the moment.
	Yeah, it was just stings.
	Do it again.
	Bullet time.
	Yeah.
	Bullet time.
	Okay.
	Well, damn, that's crazy.
	I feel like as a guy, why?
	Like, if a girl doesn't want to date you, it's like, so?
	Yeah, he took it really hard.
	He's in a relationship now, though, right after me.
	He found a girl, and he's been with her for like over a year and a half.
	So good for him.
	He found this person.
	Does he, what was his, like, I don't know if you talked to him afterwards.
	What was his, like, does he feel, he could have been totally wrong, but did he feel like you cheated on him?
	No, it was more of like we were very close and I like opened my family up to him, since he has like a hard family life, and he felt like that this new guy like took his like family away from him, type thing, if that makes sense.
	You guys were what?
	17, 18 or something.
	Yeah, I was 17, I think.
	Okay yeah, it was.
	It was really not that deep, it was not for a long time but, like I don't know, emotions took over, I guess in his and was he coming over, aggressive or did it seem like he was gonna come?
	I just thought he was like coming over and helping.
	He was just like walking slow and then started getting closer to the car and I was like okay, he's picking up some speed.
	Okay, he's reaching his arms in the car.
	What the fuck?
	Oh man, that's crazy, it was bad.
	Did you tell your the guy like how like, so I was just like roll the window up?
	No well well honestly yeah, but it's one of those windows, because this is the car, you have to like roll it up the hand crank.
	Yes oh, he was fucked.
	Yeah, it was.
	Just it happened all so fast like it was his car.
	Yeah, it was his car.
	So he was in the driver's seat yeah, but he was like laying hand, crank that shit, bro.
	He was in like the worst position.
	I felt so bad.
	I genuinely thought he was never gonna talk to me again after that.
	So how long did you date after that?
	Like basically a year oh okay yeah okay, yeah.
	That's intense, man.
	Did you fold his laundry afterwards?
	I probably did.
	I did everything, so probably.
	That's good.
	Yeah.
	What was wrong with the other?
	Man, bro, that's that's something that's.
	I know.
	I never really figured it out quite.
	You can't be that pressed about.
	Mm-hmm.
	Can't.
	Yeah.
	That's weird, too.
	Anyways, you said that you think that in a relationship, your partner, oh, well, we can.
	Yeah, we already talked about their choice, even if they're the opposite gender.
	So are you, do you agree with your friend here, like kind of bad look?
	Or are you more?
	I understand it, like, from my boyfriend's perspective.
	Now, he has friends from high school.
	Yeah.
	Like, from his hometown, like, girls that he's known for like years.
	So, like, what am I going to say?
	Like, oh, you can't be friends.
	I would think it's weird if they hung out because I've seen whatever.
	But, like, they've talked at like parties and stuff, and they're super respectful towards me.
	They're not going to like do anything weird.
	And they're like very engaging with me and like nice to me.
	So I'm like, okay, like, be friends with them.
	I don't really care.
	Sure.
	For me, like, I guess it's like, I don't know.
	He's very protective.
	So from his perspective, it's like he really doesn't like guys.
	But it's not like a controlling thing.
	I get it.
	I understand.
	All right.
	And then Ria, Ryan?
	Yeah.
	How do you say it?
	Rhea.
	You said on and off situationship for three years.
	Ex-boyfriend I met in Cabo ended up doing long distance for two months, cheated on you.
	Is that the on and off situationship or that's a different kind?
	That's a different one.
	Tell us about the on and off situationship.
	Literally just how it sounds, just on and off.
	Yeah.
	How many times was it on and off?
	What do you mean?
	Like how many times were there breaks?
	Three times, four times, five times?
	I don't know.
	Countless?
	Yeah.
	20?
	Too many to count.
	I don't know.
	Too many?
	Yeah.
	What was the longest break?
	Yeah, like two weeks ago.
	Like three months?
	Three months?
	And it was three years situationship.
	Yeah, pretty much.
	This was in high school.
	Yeah.
	So like what, 15 to like yeah.
	No, no, no.
	It was like 16 to like recently.
	No.
	Yeah.
	Oh, wait.
	Hold on.
	Wait, wait, wait, wait.
	You said you've been single for a year.
	Yeah, I have been.
	When's the last time you saw your situationship?
	Like two months ago?
	Hold up.
	That's why it's called a situationship, not a relationship.
	What?
	Oh, yeah.
	I'm super proud of it.
	Like, what?
	Wait, so.
	What was the nature of the hangout with the situationship two months ago?
	Just like hanging out, you know?
	Sneaky link?
	Yeah.
	Sneaky link?
	Okay.
	And so.
	But it ended.
	Yeah.
	You guys going to get back together?
	No.
	Or is it donezo?
	Done.
	Done.
	Okay.
	And so you said you guys would be on again, off again dozens, fair to say dozens of times?
	Yeah.
	Okay, more often than not, who's initiating the break?
	You or him?
	Or is it equal?
	Be honest.
	Probably him.
	Why?
	I don't know.
	What kind of crazy shit you doing?
	Can't say it.
	No, I'm not that crazy.
	I'm not that crazy.
	You're not that crazy.
	Yeah.
	Killed his whole family.
	So what does he tell you?
	Because I know some, like, what does he say when he breaks it off?
	Like, typically people will say, you did this.
	It'll just be like, like, I tell him that I have feelings for him and it's like deeper than what he thinks it is.
	And then like, he'll be like, okay, like, I feel like we should just stop hanging out.
	So you want more and he wants to keep it casual.
	Yeah.
	So he's like, be free.
	Yeah, pretty much.
	Be free with I have a button for this.
	Hold on, let me see if I can find it.
	Oh my god.
	But for now, this while Buck has to roll free, or he will die.
	Okay.
	Yeah, so.
	So that's it?
	Yeah.
	But are you like jealous?
	Because, okay, he sees other girls, right?
	Is that part of the point?
	Yeah.
	Oh, well.
	Right.
	It was like, it would be like, sometimes we would be like, make it like an exclusive thing.
	But it was.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Did he ever cheat on you?
	Well, we weren't dating.
	Okay.
	But like, yeah, and then, but you'd be like, no, no, no.
	Like, I really like you.
	I want to be exclusive.
	Yeah.
	And there were periods where he would give you that, but then other periods where he was like, no.
	Yeah, pretty much.
	Okay.
	I kind of have a sense of the situation.
	Yeah.
	And so he would be like, but would you be acting kind of jealous or like, what the fuck?
	Who's this chick?
	Yeah.
	What are these looks?
	Your friend's giving you away here a little bit.
	Yeah.
	So like how, like, you'd go through his phone?
	No, no.
	It would just be like, no, I actually, I wouldn't do that because we weren't dating.
	So it's like, can you take your mic down just a tad and try to skin to the table just a bit?
	But go on, continue.
	We weren't dating, so like, I just didn't feel like I had the responsibility to like be able to do that.
	But like, if I would hear that he would do something with someone else, I'd be like.
	Because you wanted that.
	I mean, that's really like you wanted to be with him.
	He was some other chick.
	Yeah.
	That would come in between you being able to lock down and secure a committed long-term serious relationship.
	How many, over the course of this three-year situationship, how many, if you know a number, how many other girls were in the picture?
	I don't know.
	It was just like, it wasn't like a constant thing where he would like hang out with like someone specifically.
	That you knew about.
	It would just be like, well, no, it was just like, oh, I heard he like kissed someone else at like this party.
	And then like, I would be like, well, yeah, you know.
	And you wanted a relationship.
	Yeah.
	But he didn't.
	Yeah.
	And so, so, okay, he would break up with.
	Did you ever break up with him?
	Or was it him always breaking up with you?
	No, one time I did.
	One time you did.
	After I found out he kissed someone.
	I was like.
	70 times he ended things with you?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	And so would he, and then who would like reach back out to who?
	I want to say probably, it was probably mostly me.
	There's like a few times where it would be.
	She's down.
	Yeah.
	I know, I know, bro.
	Okay.
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	Great float of the show right now.
	Yeah, more chill show.
	W. Brian, on an unrelated note, any of you girls waiting to say you didn't know it was going to last this long and have kids you need to get home to?
	Yo, Graffito, thank you for the 69 TTS, man.
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	Thank you, thank you.
	Does anybody here have kids?
	No.
	Nobody?
	Yeah, Justin Millwork.
	Nobody?
	You have four?
	Damn, she started.
	That's crazy.
	That's crazy.
	Wait, so okay, going back to you.
	So you would go back to him.
	Yeah.
	So he would break it off.
	And then, but so would when he broke it off, would it be a text?
	Would it be in person?
	Would it be a call?
	All of the above?
	Yeah, I guess.
	I don't know.
	Yeah.
	It wouldn't be like break it off.
	We maybe like.
	Do you want to go through the text messages?
	Oh, God, no.
	I want to see all the reasons like he broke up.
	No.
	Okay.
	And so he would break it off.
	And then three days would go by, and then you'd be like, babe, I miss you.
	I promise I won't be so jealous anymore.
	Something's going on.
	Can I come over?
	I want to come over, right?
	Yeah, something's been there, done that.
	And so, okay.
	And he.
	If you had to, like, try to estimate the number, how many times was it on and off and on?
	How many breaks were there?
	Maybe like, like, four.
	Oh.
	It would be like, yeah.
	Didn't you say it doesn't?
	Okay, no, but it would just, now that I'm thinking back, it's like we wouldn't actually break things off, like, seriously.
	Like that only happened a few times.
	And then we would just go back to each other.
	Well, wait.
	So it would, when you say that, though, tell me if my interpretation is correct.
	So it would be, it would move into the realm of like, oh, I'm committed to you.
	And then he's like, but I want to see other girls.
	So I'll keep seeing you.
	So it's not an official break, but you've been downgraded to no longer exclusive.
	Is that a fair?
	So you're not technically broken up, but you're not exclusivity.
	It wasn't even like he wanted to see other people.
	It was just like he just didn't want to be in a relationship with me.
	You know?
	But it's like he liked whatever we had going on, even though no label.
	Yeah.
	Okay, so he wanted to keep you around for sex just to hang out, you know.
	Did you guys go on dates?
	No.
	What was the nature of when you guys did hang out?
	What was the nature of the hangouts?
	Like sneaky link type.
	Was it typically late at night?
	Yeah.
	Was he drunk typically?
	We would drink like together sometimes.
	Yeah.
	Would it be on like weekends, Friday, Saturday?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Mondays ever?
	Yeah, yeah.
	No.
	Tuesdays?
	No.
	Wednesdays?
	No, it wasn't on the weekdays.
	It was mainly weekends.
	What about a Sunday?
	I mean, no, no, no, no.
	Yeah.
	Girl, you got run.
	I forgot this.
	I know.
	I did.
	And so would you hit him up or would he hit you up?
	Or both?
	Both.
	Yeah.
	Around what time of night would he send you the W-Y-D?
	He wouldn't even write it out entirely.
	It was just W-Y-D.
	What you doing?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Or it's like the peach and then the like phone emoji.
	No, I'm joking.
	Emoji only.
	Damn, that's crazy.
	This guy's speaking in hieroglyphics in the time of day.
	Yeah.
	Like come over?
	It would.
	Just like come over.
	That's it.
	Well, yeah.
	So, yeah, pretty much.
	Or like, what are you doing?
	Exactly.
	The W-Y-D.
	How tall was he?
	Like, 6'1.
	Yeah?
	Good looking guy?
	Yeah.
	Yeah?
	Riz?
	She hates that word.
	No, Riz?
	Nerdy?
	No.
	Athlete?
	No.
	Fat?
	No.
	Just curious, what about him were you so drawn to?
	I don't know.
	I couldn't tell you.
	Was it your first?
	No.
	Yeah, I don't know.
	It just lasted too long.
	So.
	Yeah.
	How many what's the most amount of times you texted him in a row before he responded?
	I don't know, like three.
	Your friends are giving you away a little bit.
	No, I know.
	Okay.
	I don't think I would like actually text like hella shit.
	Unless I was mad about something, then it could have been more than that.
	Were you frequently mad about things?
	Interesting.
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	If Kumala, name one reason besides abortion.
	By the way, Kumarla slept with married men to get ahead.
	Trump 2024.
	I guess we could go around the table really quick on that.
	Yo, Rattlesnake TV's in the chat.
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	Oh.
	Dariel Lundus Corfrank Castle 512 donated $69.
	Brian, she wasn't a sneaky link.
	She was a side BTCH.
	He only hit her up on weekends when he would tell his wife he was going out with the boys.
	That's exactly what happened.
	I mean, he was what, 19?
	You were like, right?
	No, like 18.
	Oh, yeah.
	I don't think he has a wife, but probably.
	I mean, I don't know.
	And then going back to the Sons of Liberty question, who just hey, they ask, we got to respond.
	Who are you voting for, Trump or Kamala?
	I'm voting for Kamala, but because she's doing $25,000 down payment on new buyers of homes.
	Well, she can get it passed, but what about you?
	No comment.
	That's a Kamala vote right there.
	Trump.
	Trump?
	Really?
	Oh, okay.
	I'm not registered to vote.
	Well, let's just say you were registered.
	Yeah, I'm not answering that.
	I don't know.
	It's okay.
	I mean, what about you?
	I'm not voting.
	You're not voting?
	No.
	Intimately?
	Just go look at it.
	Oh, look what's going on.
	Not voting.
	Not voting.
	You don't believe in democracy?
	Exactly.
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	No, no.
	Disavow.
	Normal.
	Disavow.
	Do not.
	Don't do that.
	Bam-Bam, right?
	Game over is.
	Game over is.
	Throwback to her on the street.
	I like that.
	That's funny.
	Okay.
	Don't punch women in the vagina, please.
	That's not.
	Unless she asks you to.
	But I don't know if I would be okay with, even if a girl asked me, I don't, I'm not into like, what's it called?
	The sadism?
	I'm going to punch her in the face.
	I don't.
	Or the, what is it called?
	It's not BDSM.
	Oh, masochism.
	It's masochistim.
	I'm not into that.
	So you're not voting?
	No.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	Trump.
	Trump.
	Well, if you were American.
	Trump, I guess.
	Yeah, I'd probably go for Trump, to be honest.
	Yeah.
	All right.
	Wow, that's a pretty heavy.
	There you go.
	All right.
	That's a barometer for.
	What about you?
	Honestly, I gotta go with Trump.
	I gotta go with Trump.
	He's not my favorite politician.
	I have criticisms, but over Kamala, yeah.
	Definitely Trump.
	Definitely Trump.
	Anyways, okay.
	There you have it, folks.
	And I'm also, you know what?
	You know what?
	I'm not voting for Trump.
	I'm going to write in Chessbra.
	To be president, I'm writing him in.
	President Aesthetics.
	Okay.
	Wait, going back to your thing.
	So I won't interrogate you for too much longer.
	Moment.
	Chess bra.
	We're all going to make it.
	The world will be a much more aesthetic place.
	Way more aesthetic.
	Make America aesthetic.
	No voting allowed for people.
	No voting allowed for people sub-again.
	Not on the sub-titanny.
	It has to be if you're a certain body fat.
	Fuck, I'm going to lose my hope.
	Time to get on the treadmill, boy.
	So, okay.
	I had a good question for this.
	Oh, okay.
	So it was like four times you guys were.
	Yeah.
	Oh, yeah.
	So it's been two months since you've last seen him.
	Yeah.
	So he ended things.
	Maybe three months.
	Yeah.
	Three months.
	He ended.
	And is it over?
	Yeah.
	Have you reached question though?
	After it ended, did you reach out to him?
	Okay, well, we didn't really like have a discussion.
	We just kind of like just didn't hang out or didn't talk.
	But yeah, I guess.
	You texted him.
	Yeah.
	And he didn't respond.
	No, he did respond.
	Oh, he did respond.
	Yeah.
	And he said, what?
	Well, I didn't, like, I didn't, it wasn't like a, like, oh, what are we type of conversation?
	It would just be like, oh, like, what are you up to?
	You know?
	Like, what are you up to?
	Let's hook up or just.
	No, Just like, well, he lives somewhere else.
	So, like, I was.
	Wait, this long distance?
	Now he lives somewhere else.
	Oh.
	Yeah.
	Well, you moved here?
	Is that part of it?
	Yeah.
	Oh, well, that kind of explains it a little bit then.
	And then he, wait, so you said, what's up?
	How's it going?
	Yeah.
	And he didn't respond or he was just like, oh, good.
	Yeah.
	And that's it.
	Yeah, pretty much.
	And then did you text again or no?
	We've like talked like a few times.
	Does he still live in the hometown?
	No.
	Oh, so he moved to?
	Somewhere else.
	So when you guys go home for Thanksgiving or Christmas, are you guys going to link?
	I don't know.
	Probably not.
	He DMs you, right?
	He DMs you tonight.
	He's watching the show and he DMs you tonight.
	And he says, I'm in Santa Barbara.
	Let's meet up.
	Do you meet up?
	No.
	No.
	You're friends with her.
	Does she meet up with him?
	No.
	No?
	Not tonight.
	Not tonight.
	She'll give it some smart girl thought because we'll all be talking to her about it.
	She'll regret it or not.
	Yeah, no.
	And you guys are like friends, friends from back home.
	Like you guys known each other for years.
	Yeah.
	Like junior high, elementary school type shit.
	Oh, okay.
	You guys, you guys know her.
	Yeah.
	Damn, okay.
	Shit.
	Yeah.
	She's locked in, though.
	She's standing on business.
	Oh, yeah.
	Period.
	So is there another guy in the picture?
	No, no, I'm just saying, like, to herself.
	There's no other guys in the picture.
	No other Sneaky Links.
	No Santa Barbara CC.
	No.
	Nope.
	Nothing.
	Nothing.
	Zip.
	So any guys since you moved here?
	Because you've been here three months, right?
	Since I've moved here?
	Yeah.
	I've like talked to a few people, but nothing like serious.
	So like Sneaky Link?
	No.
	Oh.
	Okay.
	Yeah, you're definitely getting back with that guy.
	That's going to happen.
	Okay.
	That's.
	It is what it is.
	Then what's about the ex-boyfriend you met in Cabo ended up doing long distance for but what's crazy is three years I know that's a lot of time to be in that kind of situation I know like a lot of girls will they deal with a guy like that for even two three months they feel burnt you did that shit for three years son yeah You got a locked in, though.
	You're locked in.
	The distance helps, I guess.
	Okay.
	What's the thing about the Cabo long distance boyfriend cheating on you?
	Okay.
	Well, pretty much I just met this guy in Cabo last summer and then spring break.
	Maybe.
	No, it was over summer.
	Okay.
	And met him in Cabo.
	Then, like, we spent like a whole day together there.
	Then we ended up dating, and he lived somewhere else, like, from my hometown.
	He lives in LA.
	So we did long distance.
	And then after we broke up, his girl best friend called me and said that he cheated on me during our relationship.
	And me and him were still friends.
	So I was like pretty mad over.
	Wait, so you met in Cabo?
	And then where did you both live?
	I live in like, or I'm from Sacramento, and he's from LA.
	So pretty far?
	Yeah.
	That's like an eight-hour drive.
	And so you met in Cabo.
	Had you guys hung out subsequent time after Cabo?
	We did.
	We did.
	Was it after the cheating or before the cheating?
	Before.
	Okay.
	After Cabo, he like drove to see me and stay with me for a week and then we hung out.
	Then he went back home.
	Then we like started dating and did long distance for two months.
	Interesting.
	Okay.
	And then I don't know if I have really anything else on the Cabo thing.
	You said men shouldn't always have to make the first move.
	Yeah.
	Wait, didn't you say you never made a first move, though?
	I've never asked a guy out on a date before, but I think I've made a first move.
	Like, what do you mean by that?
	By making the first move?
	I don't know, like, kissing someone.
	Oh, like going for the first kiss.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Wait.
	Like initiating something.
	Something?
	Define something.
	I don't know.
	You know.
	Common knowledge.
	Sex.
	Yeah, sure.
	Cool.
	Cool.
	All right.
	And then being ugly hot and a little funny makes you 10x more attractive.
	Yeah.
	Was the three-year situationship guy ugly hot, but funny?
	A little funny?
	Yeah.
	He was ugly hot.
	Can you define an ugly hot like by a celebrity that you can say?
	Pete Davidson?
	Yes.
	Bill Skarsgaard.
	Okay.
	Ugly would be like Zach Efron right now.
	Okay.
	You know?
	Looks different.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	I agree.
	I think it's, it can be cool if the girl makes the first move a bit, you know?
	It's nice sometimes, you know?
	Let's see.
	You did long distance with a girl.
	Okay, we talked about that.
	The boyfriend wanted some shit.
	Meeting people organically is better than dating apps.
	I think we would all agree with that.
	Let's see.
	Let's get to.
	Said, did I say your name right?
	Yeah, yeah, you did.
	Said.
	Not bad.
	Said.
	Sorry.
	Sorry.
	Said.
	Said.
	Yes, sir.
	Dating in Australia.
	Australian girls versus American girls.
	What's the deal?
	Hold on.
	Dari Lundus Corfrank Castle 512 donated $69.
	What the fuck?
	Typical stereotype.
	One hot chick hangs out with two ugly chicks that'll just CCK block her.
	Jesus, these girls are 19 and already run through.
	Hashtag Senthinukes.
	I don't know what that is.
	One.
	Wait, what?
	I wouldn't have a think some comments, to be honest.
	I don't think they know what I'm saying.
	I really don't.
	Oh, my lord.
	Senthanukes.
	Wow.
	Great graphics.
	Jesus.
	I didn't understand what I was doing.
	Wait, what?
	Who is Chess Brood, by the way?
	Go on.
	So what would you say again, Brian?
	First of all.
	Rockets distractive.
	all the women at the table they're all they're not uh they're they're all oh my god what am i They're all tens.
	There's no ugly people here.
	Australian girls.
	Yes.
	American girls.
	Australian girls versus American girls.
	Which would you prefer?
	Be more descriptive.
	Like, elaborate.
	So I can give you an elaborate answer.
	Well.
	What are the differences when it comes to looks, dating, personality?
	I would say, okay, so I would say in terms of the whole feminist movement stuff, Australia is probably maybe like 10 years behind America.
	You guys are a lot more, I don't know what you'd call it, maybe like progressive and all that stuff.
	Like there's a lot more LGBTQ TR, whatever you guys want to call it.
	You see like there's more of them like around.
	Like you just see them everywhere in Australia and Sydney where I'm from.
	It's they're like you see them, but it's just like not as common.
	Like over here in California, Los Angeles, it's super common and people are like super open.
	And so that's something that I've only seen out here in Los Angeles.
	I haven't seen that back in Sydney.
	So I would say, yeah, you guys are a little bit more open in that sense.
	In terms of the women, you know, I think Australian women on the whole are a bit more attractive than American women.
	Not to say that American women aren't attractive.
	I just, you know, I just prefer Australian women.
	And in terms of dating, look, it's give or take, it's very similar to America.
	We're a little bit better, I would say.
	Like here, the women's standards seem to be a lot more strict and just a lot more, like, just there's a lot more demand for what women are after.
	Whereas I feel like in Australia, it's still quite there, but I feel like we're a bit behind on the movement.
	So I feel like there's still some traditional girls.
	There's still lots of traditional relationships.
	There's just less degeneracy.
	And in saying that, though, I do see things becoming a little bit more swayed towards how Los Angeles is and California in general within the next 10, 15 years.
	Because times are changing, women are changing, relationships are changing.
	And just, yeah, the dynamic of like a sexual relationship between a man, woman, woman, woman, man, man, whatever.
	It's all completely changing, but I just feel like we're behind in America and we're a little bit more, I guess a little bit more private.
	Did you ever date in America back in the day?
	Never.
	No.
	And then I have a few more questions for you.
	What race did you play in World of Warcraft and what server?
	I didn't play World of Warcraft too much.
	That was more of a brown.
	Yeah, I was more like the console game.
	I played Final Fantasy, Zelda and Arena of Time, games like that.
	I was more a console game, PS1, PS2.
	Sure.
	Yeah, so I can't answer that.
	You said that you had your first love and crush leave you mostly because you lost your job 10 years later.
	She's what?
	Sliding in my DMs.
	Ever since you what?
	Put on muscle and made money.
	Got jacked making money.
	And then, but so she first, the first lost dumped you because you lost your job.
	Yeah, I had a job at the time and I lost my job.
	And then her and her family made a big deal about me losing my job that I couldn't provide and that I'm useless and all this kind of stuff.
	And then, yeah, 10 years later, probably about a year ago, she was just like sliding my DMs and reach out and try to make like chit chat and general conversation.
	And it's like kind of like, you know, too little, too late, mate.
	Like, you know, I've been progressing on my journey.
	And, you know, just in my life with my career, and now you want to come back and like talk to me, like, what the hell?
	Like, you know what I mean?
	So it's just a little bit funny that once you start doing well for yourself, that everyone just comes out of the woodworks, past relationships, old friends, this and that.
	Do you feel like that motivated you?
	It made me feel good.
	Yeah, like it was kind of like the last laugh.
	I'm just like, haha.
	Yeah.
	It felt great.
	At the time, she dumped me and I was like really, really upset at the time.
	You know what I mean?
	When I was younger.
	So when I had that approval of her running back, it kind of was like, it made me feel good.
	It's like, ah, this chick's coming back now.
	And she wants me now when her value's kind of gone down and my value's gone up.
	So what advice would you give to men who feel like they're not good enough?
	Self-improve.
	Self-improve in the gym.
	Self-improve with business.
	Just self-improve in general.
	Find a craft, find a skill, whether that's blue-collar work.
	You might become an electrician, plumber, whatever it is.
	Just build on a skill and work on that.
	Have a side hustle while you're doing your main job.
	So your main job might be like a nine-to-five.
	You might be doing some office job that you derive no pleasure or you don't really love.
	But have a side hustle, whether it's like social media or something on the side that you truly love, that you're truly passionate about.
	And invest into that over time.
	And over time, hopefully that would take over your main hustle.
	And then you can do your side hustle is like your career.
	So that's kind of what happened with me.
	You know, I was doing odd jobs and working nine to five, not really happy.
	And I had the side hustle of fitness and social media and influencing.
	And I just eventually over time it just kept plugging away at the social media and it kind of just naturally took over.
	So my best advice to young men would be to do the same, you know, to make money, to work hard, not to waste their time.
	And it's going to sound rich coming from me because I partied a hell of a lot, but not to waste too much time partying and doing the shit that really doesn't matter.
	Learn skills, learn crafts, build your wealth and just build yourself up as a man because when you do, you'll attract the right kind of women and you'll feel better for yourself actually.
	And if you're just wasting your 20s just doing stupid shit.
	And you also said you wanted to talk about sexual dynamics of what women bring to the table in dating and how men date down versus women dating up.
	Yes.
	So like we spoke about this earlier.
	So as we discuss like women are literally fighting for like, I'd say the top 20% of males, you know what I mean?
	So income, social status, yada yada yada.
	Whereas men, as we discussed earlier, typically date down.
	We're not looking for as many things in a partner as say a woman does, you know what I mean?
	And it's just, I mean, I think a lot of it has just come down to feminism.
	I think also just a cultural shift over time as well.
	I feel like the balance is a little bit skewed.
	I feel like females now have the power and men are like kind of like this.
	Whereas before, as we all know, men always had the power since the end of time for centuries and centuries.
	So obviously there was going to be an imbalance somewhere in the lives.
	My bad.
	women were going to fight back which is it's expected you know what i mean so in doing that when the men were up here terminal underscore lance donated 69 dollars Chair 1, 25K of a 300K house will lower your payment about $150 per month and raise taxes.
	During Trump the interest rates were under 3%, which means saving over $700 per month.
	Hashtag 304 math hashtag common call.
	Quick response to that.
	Well, I mean, if it's hard right now to save up the money to even put a down payment on the house, at least at that point, you have your foot in the door.
	So it might be a little bit more money at the long run, but at least you're putting your foot in the door.
	You don't have to get a $300,000 house.
	You can get a condo or something else.
	But I digress.
	Politics aren't my back to you then.
	Yeah, I think property investments are the best way to build money in today's society, to be honest.
	But that's a topic today for another discussion.
	But back to what I was saying.
	So since the end of time, I feel like men have always had the power in relationships, in life, and everything for the longest time.
	Up until I'd say maybe the last 30 years with the wave of feminism, women kind of like started fighting back.
	And naturally, so, like, you know, but they had no rights for so long.
	Like, goddamn, like, women couldn't even vote, like, in like lots of countries, only like 30, 40 years ago.
	So it was a little bit skewed too much.
	And then obviously feminism came in, and then women came up here, men came down here.
	But now, as that's happened, like, you know, relationships are failing, more marriages are ending in divorce.
	And it's always like 80% of the divorces are initiated by women leaving the men and all these kind of things that our parents and our grandparents didn't really think of at the time.
	So I feel like in time it's going to be more of a balance.
	And I feel like it's already happening now.
	I feel like men are slowly starting to fight back and have like their boundaries and all this kind of stuff.
	And I feel like we're almost going to be equal and then it's just, it's going to be a place of like an equilibrium.
	I don't necessarily think relationships are failing now because of feminism.
	I feel like back then women didn't really have a choice to leave.
	Like you couldn't get a job.
	You couldn't vote.
	You couldn't hold a credit card.
	You couldn't buy a house.
	Like you kind of had to rely on the man in your life.
	You need to have a good family.
	I feel like men, there's less like men being men today and there's more women that are also being more masculine, more men that have been more feminine.
	And because of this, it's causing a disruption in the family unit.
	You know, the original family unit, the man was the man and looked after and provided for the family, the children, the wife.
	And now I feel like, you know, my conspiracy theories for this are wild, but I feel like the government has done this in a way to put women into the working world, to raise taxes so that the men and the women can get taxed.
	More money goes back to the government.
	The household is disturbed.
	More women are online shopping and spending money away.
	And it's just all more money is just being plugged into the government, all whilst disrupting the family unit of men and women, which is causing problems.
	Problems cause divorce rates are going up.
	Divorce rates are higher now than they were 20, 30, 40 years ago.
	So there's obviously a problem.
	And I feel like there's going to be a rebound.
	And I feel like eventually it's just going to be equal with men and women because, you know, men can't be all the way up here and women down here and women can't be human.
	It just has to be equal.
	So I feel like when that happens, and I feel like we're not far away from that.
	I think in the next, I'm going to call it now, I think in the next maybe 10 to 20 years, shit's going to change a lot.
	Men are already fighting back.
	There's a reason these podcasts exist, Fresh and Fit, whatever podcast.
	There's a big reason why these podcasts exist.
	They wouldn't have been around or survived 30 years ago and that's facts.
	Because a lot of men are sick and tired.
	A lot of men are fed up.
	So I feel like, you know, with this pullback, it's going to maybe help women understand the problems that average men face.
	And I feel like eventually it's going to just be equal.
	I have a question for you.
	Do you think feminism gave women a sense of entitlement?
	I think the original wave of feminism and what feminism stands for was actually a really, really good thing.
	I think feminism in its core rights was an incredible thing.
	I really do.
	I feel like women deserve to vote.
	I feel like women deserve to drive cars.
	I feel like women deserve the basic human rights as men do.
	And I feel like it's wrong.
	Feminism is now.
	Yeah, correct.
	So leading on to what I was about to say, I feel like now it's skewed a little bit Too much, and the definition of what feminism is has been completely changed to disrespecting men, downplaying men's efforts, and just it's just been completely skewed on the opposite side.
	And it's like, you know, women hating on men, men fighting back and getting upset at women.
	And it's sad because it's just, yeah, literally, it's just disrupted the family unit.
	You know what I mean?
	Whereas, like, men need women and women need men.
	Like, we need each other.
	One can't exist without the other.
	So, I feel like eventually, in time, people will feel this.
	And I feel like, you know, it's only a matter of time, to be honest.
	It's like everyone's will heal eventually.
	Yeah, I think women are going to get over hating men, and men are probably going to get over fighting back with women, trying to prove themselves.
	And it's just, I feel like it's going to be equal, but it's going to be a bit of time because, like I said, since the end of time, men have been the power balance of men compared to women has been greatly, greatly skewed, like huge.
	You know what I mean?
	Like, yeah, 100 years ago, women weren't allowed to work, vote, dude, only 100 years ago.
	In how many, like, how long have we been on this earth?
	How long have humans been around for?
	I think.
	You know what I mean?
	Not even if you think about how long humans have been, like our ancestors, Neanderthals, everything, since the end of time, since all caveman running around, like the man pulling the woman's hair, throwing him into a cave, going out, hunting with spears, getting animals.
	Like, since the end of time, men have just had the power.
	So, because of that, like this, this feminism thing, it's going to be, it's going to be strong and it's going to last for a while.
	But when it evens out, shit's going to go back to normal.
	I truly believe it.
	And I think women want to be feminine.
	I feel like they craved being feminine for the right man.
	And I feel like men, you know, deep down, their inner nature is to be masculine.
	But this shit's just getting like translated.
	It's all getting jumbled with what you see now.
	You know, like men are afraid of being men.
	Women are afraid of being women.
	Men are getting labeled like toxic masculine for things like going to the gym and you know, like wanting to work out or wanting to play sports or you know, just like wanting to self-improve.
	It's just such a strange phenomenon that I'm witnessing because I've been in like both eras, you know.
	Like you guys got to remember, I'm almost 40 years old.
	So I've seen like around when my time, like when I was like up and running, like around 18, it was so different.
	Like girls would literally just come up and have conversations with you and there wasn't anything expected like a date or anything like that.
	And you can literally just take a girl on a date to like McDonald's at like such a young age and nothing was thought of it.
	And now if like something like that's mentioned even to like an 18 year old, they'd be like, what the fuck?
	You know what I mean?
	So I take it back to originally what I was saying.
	Like the top 20% of men are being fought for by 100% of women.
	Some analysis.
	Just shedding that chest bro wisdom.
	Just really quick, I'm curious on the feminism thing.
	Who here considers themselves a feminist?
	Starting with you, go ahead.
	Okay.
	Yeah, I consider myself a feminist, but I don't think I'm like a toxic feminist.
	Like, I, you know, my man opens the door for me and he, you know, pulls my chair out for me.
	And I. Here, let me, I'll give you the charitable definition of feminism.
	So.
	Oh, boy.
	Okay.
	Hold on.
	Hold on.
	Let me walk you through this.
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	Don't freak out.
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	Hide stream yard.
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	Can you try to figure out?
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	So you can't.
	You got.
	Okay.
	Can you bring it back F11?
	If you've seen my mom, she does not even look like that.
	She's 65.
	All right.
	So, okay, here's the charitable definition of feminism.
	Feminism is a movement towards equality or egalitarianism, or some people use equity, with a rejection of patriarchy.
	So do you consider yourself a feminist?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Yes.
	By the way, that's my charitable death.
	It's actually my super charitable definition, but.
	I don't really think so.
	Not a feminist, okay, if she is a Trump voter after all.
	Yes, feminist?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Hell no.
	Hell no?
	No.
	Male feminist?
	Definitely.
	No.
	There is male feminist, isn't there?
	Oh, there are definitely.
	Well, they're a strange bunch.
	Definitely are.
	They're a strange bunch indeed.
	Well, for the sake of time, there are a couple things that have been said.
	I kind of wanted to jump in on.
	The chat was begging me to hop in on some of these things.
	Unfortunately, for the sake of time, I can't really address every single one of the claims that you made.
	I do actually want to just quickly touch on this whole like women couldn't vote thing.
	While that is true, and I sent you a thing to pull up in the Dropbox thing, if we can get that pulled up.
	So it's like, it's sort of an odd re-looking of history because for most of human history, neither men or women could vote.
	like so if we pull up the chart sorry guys You couldn't.
	All right.
	Okay.
	Can you hide the TTS thing, please?
	All right.
	So countries with universal right to vote.
	So brown is no universal right to vote.
	The light blue is universal right to vote for only men, universal right to vote for men and women.
	Make it one smaller, please, so I can see the dates.
	Okay, so there's maybe like a very small period between 18, so like prior to 1850, almost nobody, it was like kings, queens, lords, all that shit.
	Like the average typical man couldn't vote either.
	1850 started introducing it for landowners and then men.
	And then, so within less than a 50 to 100 year period from when men got the vote and from when women got the vote, it's a very small period.
	Now, you might say, well, even that 100 or 50 year period, that's still, that's really unfair that men had it before women.
	But so men had a corresponding duty and responsibility that women to this day still don't have, albeit you were still able to secure a privilege, a right, voting, without having the corresponding duty and responsibility that men have.
	Do you know what this is?
	War.
	Yeah, war.
	Yeah.
	So in 1914, 1918, just before conveniently women got the right to vote, we had the most catastrophic war that ever occurred.
	Men were drafted into this war, men were drafted into the Civil War, men were drafted into the War for Independence, Revolutionary War.
	And so it's interesting to me, though, that we overlook this fact that men had to literally die in order to be able to get the right to vote.
	And you women were able to secure it without having to do anything.
	Well, I don't know.
	I feel like women did do things to try to get their vote.
	Well, sure, you did things to get the vote, but what do you, like, what obligation to the country do you have?
	No, I understand that.
	I think women should be drafted.
	But they're not.
	I know they're not, but I think it would be fair.
	It would be fair if you can vote, you know, you should also be able to be drafted whether you're gender or not.
	Well, I agree with you for the sake of equality.
	Even if women were subject to the draft, there's a couple things here.
	Two, even if they were drafted, they probably wouldn't be put in those frontline positions anyways.
	Yeah.
	So that would still be a privilege and benevolence on the part of men.
	And then you also have a way out.
	So this actually happens with women who volunteer for the military.
	If they're about to get deployed, they just get pregnant.
	A lot of these women, to avoid getting deployed, even if they're volunteer for it.
	Not all women do this, but they just get pregnant.
	And then they can't be deployed.
	So you always have a way out, whereas with men, I mean, you could fake an injury or hurt yourself in some way.
	But yeah, most men don't have the option to really get out of it.
	In any case, women can't be drafted as it currently stands.
	So it's kind of not worth exploring those other things.
	But so.
	That's why we need the robots.
	The war robots.
	War robots.
	But do you think we should get rid of the draft?
	Because that would create an equality.
	Yeah, I mean, if we got rid of the draft, then it would create a more equal.
	It would be equal, right?
	And feminism is about equality, right?
	But, you know, then we have to also worry about our government or our military being strong enough to protect us from allies as well.
	That's actually a very good point.
	That is a very good point.
	So what do we do?
	Do we either get rid of the draft for men and create equality, or do we draft women to also get equality?
	What do we do?
	I feel like getting rid of the draft, because I feel like men would hop in to go to war anyway.
	Get rid of the draft?
	Should we get rid of the draft for equality?
	No.
	Keep the draft.
	So you're fine.
	And are you fine with women being drafted?
	Yes.
	Yes, I am fine with women being drafted.
	What should we do?
	I honestly.
	For equality.
	I mean, I don't.
	I guess women can do it if they want.
	Wait, wait, wait.
	So it's not if they want.
	Well, like, if they, like, to get drafted, like, women, like, I feel like it should be equal.
	Like, men and women, it shouldn't just be.
	Should women be drafted?
	Yeah.
	You get drafted tomorrow, sent to Middle East.
	No.
	Sent to Russia.
	I couldn't do that.
	I couldn't do it.
	I'm sure.
	Some future conflict.
	You wouldn't do it.
	No.
	Yeah, but you don't get the, you know, if you get drafted, they force you.
	Well, yeah.
	And you're, you're able-bodied, right?
	Yeah.
	You're getting drafted.
	What do you think?
	Should women be drafted into the mic?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, okay.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Interesting.
	Wait, I have a question.
	And this is going to seem like I'm not saying this is what just, I got to preface it.
	I'm not saying that this should be the case.
	I'm just like, it's a thought experiment here.
	Yeah.
	So do you think all of you said that, I mean, it sounds like you're all in favor of the draft, right?
	Yeah.
	Like perhaps you all acknowledge that in the event of, for example, some other country invaded us and we didn't have enough volunteer force, you would agree that in order to defend the country from some like invading barbaric country that wants to like kill everybody and like put all the men to the sword and like do what they might do to women,
	you would agree that the government should reserve the right to be able to force men to fight for the country.
	Fair proposition?
	You would agree, right?
	I don't know.
	I want to disagree just because I don't feel like anybody should be forced to do anything, but it's at this point it's like we either go in or we all die.
	But so here, let me give you this scenario, right?
	So, okay, some country out there is a significant threat, and we know that our volunteer force, if we don't draft men, that this, I don't, I can't think of a specific, I don't know, some other country, invading country, if we don't draft men, they're going to win the war and then they're going to kill all the men, all the boys, and then they're going to essay all the women.
	Yeah.
	Do you think that if we know that if we have some foresight that this would be the outcome under these circumstances, should you be able to force men to go and fight a war and die for the sake of the country?
	I still don't like it, but I guess so.
	I mean, it's otherwise we all die.
	So it has to be the force because then everyone dies.
	So.
	Yeah.
	Sure.
	It's sad.
	Now, let me ask you guys a question.
	Again, not saying this should be.
	This is just a thought experiment.
	Let's say that there was a population collapse happening.
	And for some reason, feminism took the brain virus or whatever.
	And women refuse to mate with men.
	And this is worldwide, for example.
	Worldwide, women just refuse to have children, and it spelled the end of the species, right?
	Now, the government has an interest in continuing the species.
	Could the government, do you think it would be okay for the government to force women to have children?
	I'm going to say no.
	And my reason why, I know what you're going with this, is that it's not under, not everyone is going to lose their life.
	Well, it would be a women don't.
	It would be the extinction of the species, but everybody's going to be afraid of the same.
	It would be the end of the species.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	But nobody is losing their life to war.
	It's just the end of the species.
	Yeah.
	Okay, sure.
	Go quietly into the night.
	Sure.
	Do you think that would be appropriate?
	I don't think it's good to force women to be pregnant.
	I don't think, I don't agree.
	I wouldn't do that.
	Okay, and the species.
	All right.
	What do you think?
	I think it's, if it's for like to reproduce and like start another population, yeah, but I just don't like the forcing aspect.
	That's like really wrong.
	I think there's other ways than to force people.
	Go ahead.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	No, I probably, the extinction would be better.
	Extinction better?
	I might rather, yeah.
	Neither is good, obviously, but like.
	What about Petri dish babies?
	Yeah.
	Robots again.
	It's the answer.
	Well, I mean, I might even be prepared to grant that the woman doesn't even have to have sex.
	Oh, okay.
	So she could be artificially inseminated.
	No, still no.
	She's to carry the child.
	I don't know.
	Yeah, she's 90.
	Would you do that if you were a girl?
	And the species dependent on it?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Do you have to raise the child?
	I suppose you do, yeah.
	Some people aren't sued out for that.
	I don't think you should force someone to do that.
	Well, at the cost of the extinction of the species?
	Here, let's get everybody's answer on this.
	Yeah, extinction.
	Extinction?
	I don't want kids, but I would have them for that.
	For the sake of...
	I would have kids for that.
	Okay.
	It's just interesting.
	I don't know.
	I feel like you would do better where you can, okay, women don't want to have kids.
	Okay, then let's make it easier for women to, you know, families to have houses.
	And if you have kids, you get more tax breaks or do something so that women want to have kids, make childcare more affordable.
	I feel like that is a way better place to go than just forcing women to have children.
	Like women, I think every woman, mostly every like out 80% of women would want to have a kid.
	I wouldn't want to have a kid, but I want to have a safer home and everything first.
	I know this is the scenario.
	I feel like I could probably come up with a better scenario.
	How about this?
	Oh, here's better.
	Maybe chat can tell me what they think about this.
	So in order to fend off, and we see this invasion coming in 20 years' time, we have a, this is even getting more fantasy.
	The invasion is coming in 20 years' time.
	And 50% of the women are, they don't want to have kids.
	And 50% do.
	So it's not like some weird thing where like, you know, all the women just stop wanting to have kids.
	But there's a, it doesn't even have to be 50% of the women.
	It could be 20%.
	I think there's a, maybe 20% of women don't want to have kids.
	If we don't birth more children, if the women don't birth more children, birth more warriors, birth more soldiers, this invading country is going to wipe us out and then essay all the women.
	Well, then, yeah.
	Can the government then compel the women who don't want to give birth to give birth to protect to fend off this future threat?
	But see, that's the same thing as the draft thing.
	Like people are going to lose their lives.
	Like people, and everybody dies.
	So at that point, it changes the game.
	Like you either, everyone you love and know gets murdered by aliens or you have a kid to make a soldier.
	Like I feel like that's most people would do that.
	Right, but let's assume that the women, they don't want to.
	I don't know, then you're going to have a lot more people to fight than just aliens.
	You're going to have to have your species.
	Here's the scenario.
	50% of women are going to give birth to a bunch of kids.
	50% don't want to do it, but 25% of the 50% do it for the greater good.
	But we still need that final 25% to birth children so that we get more soldiers so we don't get fucked because we got some future vision minority report shit.
	Should the government be allowed to force women to give those 25% of women to give birth?
	I think giving an incentive would be a lot like a better, a plausible thing to do.
	So money.
	That's fair.
	Yeah, so the government, sure.
	I'll even grant that the government will financially support the child rearing expenses and the hospital, the health bills, whatever.
	Yeah, I would say, I don't know.
	It makes it better.
	Makes it better.
	Do you, let's say you can vote.
	You can vote yes or you can vote no on this bill that the government's trying to pass.
	I would say no because I think if people know that there's a war coming and they're going to be worried, they're not going to want to die and they're going to naturally just start producing more out of fear.
	Wait, out of fear.
	Like you're not going to just sit there and let nothing happen.
	Yeah, out of fear, you're going to want to.
	If somebody told me there's aliens coming and we're all going to die and we need to have children, I'd start popping them out.
	You wouldn't have to force me.
	I would be like, all right, let's use these breeding hips.
	They're ready.
	There you go.
	So, okay, so do you vote yes or no on this measure?
	I still don't think people need to be forced.
	So no.
	Well, so here's the thing.
	You know that if the vote doesn't end up as a yes in totality, you won't be able to breed enough soldiers and you're going to get your country's gone.
	So yes, I mean, it can still be a no.
	I'm not trying to push you into a.
	You can still say no, but that's what's at stake.
	Yeah.
	What do you pick?
	I guess at that point it's last resort, so I change my answer.
	I'll do yes.
	I also will change my answer.
	It's just unreasonable to let everyone die.
	Okay.
	Unfortunately.
	I would say yes.
	I don't know, but I'm glad this is a hypothetical question.
	It's a hypothetical.
	It's a hypothetical.
	It's a thought experiment.
	Wait, did you answer?
	No, I don't know.
	Yeah, sure.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Yes.
	That's how we feel about being forced to go to war.
	And actually, it's not even.
	It's not even.
	I did say less than that.
	Like that's the level of unfairness to the man.
	Actually, it's worse.
	Hold on.
	It's worse.
	It's worse for us to be drafted than for the reverse.
	Because you go to war, you die.
	Yeah, but women still die during pregnancy, too.
	Less than war.
	I don't know.
	I still think the robots are going to be the answer.
	So it's just, and then also.
	Yeah.
	Anyways, that was an interesting.
	I don't know.
	Everyone just got sadder in this room.
	Not the end of everyone.
	It's an interesting thought experiment.
	Okay, let me finish up the notes here.
	So, okay.
	Let's see.
	We got almost done here.
	We have just the notes for you, Marcy.
	So when you lost your virginity, why don't you tell us that?
	Oh, God.
	I did not know if he was inside of me or not.
	I had to ask him twice.
	I'm still not even sure if we did.
	I'm not even kidding.
	I'm still not even sure.
	He wasn't a micro.
	I just, it was a first for him, a first for me.
	Oh, he was also a virgin.
	Yeah.
	And it showed.
	That's a bad first experience.
	It was super awkward.
	Yeah.
	I had to ask if he was twice.
	Yeah.
	Was he inside of you?
	I still don't know.
	He didn't look.
	He said he was.
	Look, I had no fucking idea what I was doing either.
	I was brand new to this.
	It was your thigh or I don't know.
	I don't know.
	I felt like switching.
	It was weird.
	Let's see.
	Okay, that's interesting.
	That is like one of the worst things a woman can say, by the way.
	Is it in yet?
	Oh, man.
	I learned that though on the hard way.
	Can we close the divorce, by the way?
	Yeah.
	So.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	You said you're in an age gap relationship.
	We already talked about that.
	You said women need to stop empowering women with bad advice and using their mental illness as an excuse for identity.
	Yep.
	You carry it one elaborate, or is that pretty much it?
	So just from what I've noticed from people in my own social circle and myself, because I used to do this, I would kind of dictate my friendships and relationships based on my traumas from the past.
	So if I had a jealousy issue, you had to contend with that and you had to make sure that you were tiptoeing around that and accommodating my jealousy.
	And I didn't realize at the time that that's bullshit.
	I had to fix that shit myself first.
	But I hear women giving women information like, well, if he's not taking your jealousy into consideration, then fuck him or do like an eye for an eye thing.
	It's just projection, isn't it?
	Yeah, it's just like it's it's bad information because it's women who have been hurt giving other women who have been hurt bad information and bad advice and they're all I'm gonna reference the Barbie movie because I think that movie was atrocious for women.
	Oh, I haven't seen it.
	Just dead like awful.
	The whole monologue that the one character gives about how like you can't be too skinny, you can't be too this, you can't be too loud, you can't be too quiet.
	It's like men are not doing that to us.
	Yo, we're doing it to each other and we need to stop or else we're just going to continue to fight amongst ourselves and nobody's going to grow.
	Thank you.
	Can I just say something?
	I mean, and women don't really have many positive female role models to look up to.
	Like, I'm just thinking off the top of my head, like, what Kim Kardashian, Cardi B, Queen Latifah, I don't know, because there's no one.
	If you think of men, there's so many positive male role models that young men could look up to.
	I think what the world needs is more positive female role models.
	Swifties are going to come after you.
	Yeah, I know they are.
	But I think she is awful for women.
	Yeah, you know.
	So I think that's what's needed.
	I think some positive female role models that could guide and help the youth.
	Because I don't see or I don't know any.
	I mean, unless you girls can name some.
	I've seen businesswomen, but I don't know their names.
	Kristen Bell's pretty cool.
	I mean, look at Blake Lively.
	She's pretty cool.
	She's very cool.
	I don't know.
	Bridget Medler.
	Yeah.
	Bridget Medler, I'll give you that one.
	I will give you that one because she started off as a child star and then now she's an aerospace engineer with NASA.
	Bridget Medler.
	You don't know who's the first office?
	No, no.
	I've heard of the office office.
	No, no, no.
	I'm sorry, not Amy Poehler in the office.
	I'm saying she was in Parks and Rec.
	Parks and Rec.
	Oh, Amy Poehler, as we don't know.
	Sorry.
	I feel like, okay, if we can name some, that's great.
	I feel like there just needs to be more of them.
	Much, much more.
	And going back to that, I also think that I can only speak from a woman's perspective, but we need to be more self-accountable for a lot of the stuff that we put ourselves through.
	I wouldn't say necessarily, like, everything that we go through is not necessarily our fault, but it is our responsibility to own what happened, move past it, and no longer use it as an excuse for why you act the way you are, or use it for blackmail towards the guy that you're with, or use it towards blackmail against your friends.
	I just, I feel like I see women fighting more with each other than for each other.
	You might, I see women like fighting for each other face to face, but the people walk away from each other.
	God, she's such a bitch.
	The shit talking starts immediately.
	I feel like there's no trust, full trust, among women.
	I see backstabbing, conniving, and manipulation more than I see actual genuine care for.
	I would disagree.
	I feel like a lot of my female interactions have always been super positive.
	And I'm a stripper.
	I work in a strip club, and I've had way more positive interactions with women.
	And that's like, then you're involving money and you're involving like territories and stuff.
	I don't know.
	Have you thought maybe it's just like your city is more?
	I've lived in multiple places and I've seen it all over the place.
	And I'm not saying it's all.
	It's definitely not everybody.
	It's not all women.
	It's not a blanket statement.
	It's just, I would say it's a majority.
	Yeah.
	And I do think that a lot of this, you know, well, I have PTSD, I was SA'd, I was this, I was that.
	But now it's your responsibility as the person in my life to make sure that none of that comes up.
	Well, yeah.
	So it's like, I feel like nobody's talking about their triggers.
	Nobody's talking about their traumas.
	And this goes for men too.
	Like the conversations need to happen.
	Well, absolutely.
	I definitely feel like people should have some sort of regulation about how they feel.
	You can't help what situations happen to you, but you can't help how you react to them.
	Exactly.
	And I feel like that is something everybody can learn.
	Yeah.
	And I don't see that amongst, at least what I see on a regular basis.
	Okay, so.
	You said that women have become the problem with their entitlement and enabling.
	So this is why I asked you about if you think feminism created an entitlement, because I think it did.
	I think women have put themselves on a pedestal, especially with this boss ass bitch mentality.
	I feel like if you are a boss ass bitch, you don't have to say shit.
	But the more you preach it, I feel like you're hiding something or you're trying to manipulate something to get something more.
	I agree with that.
	Because a duck doesn't tell you it's a duck to know it's a duck.
	It's kind of like when people say they're really smart, but it's usually the people who say they're smart are the dumbest ones in the room.
	Yeah.
	Go ahead.
	Oh.
	No, you want to finish?
	Okay.
	You said that you used to be one of those shaved head, blue-hair chicks, feminists who thought she had all the answers.
	Yep.
	I had the side of my head shaved.
	I went through blue hair, black hair, pink hair, you name it.
	And I seriously thought that I was finding myself, that I was like in it.
	I knew exactly what was going on.
	I was more lost in that moment than I was ever in my life.
	And I realized the people I was around were doing the same thing I was.
	We were living in our victimization.
	We were living in our traumas.
	And we thought we were helping each other through them.
	We thought we were talking it out.
	But in reality, we were more enabling the behavior of the victimization and all that stuff.
	It wasn't until I cut myself away from those people that I started to heal on my own.
	And I started to realize that those people weren't uplifting.
	And then now I'm back to bond and it's not shaved.
	I find that very interesting, actually.
	Well, so you've been on like both ends.
	And you're saying I completely lost myself and had to find it.
	That's quite interesting because then what you're saying is very important.
	I think everyone should take note because you've obviously been on both ends.
	And obviously it's not a war against men.
	And feminism in itself didn't start off as being a bad thing, but I think what you're saying is correct.
	Like it's just gone to a point where it's just a little bit too much.
	That's why these podcasts and these lonely ass men in their basement writing all these comments on your existing all this kind of shit.
	You know what I'm saying?
	So it's like, it's very interesting to hear that from that point of view.
	None of them are.
	I appreciate that.
	They're all giga chats.
	They're giant penises.
	They're all rich.
	They're all wrecked all the time.
	Bench press more than you.
	Don't stay with their moms.
	And it's not even to say that like men are the problem or women are the problem.
	We are all our own problem.
	And until we fix our own problem, it's going to continue to be a men versus women thing because nobody's going to actually just be like, wait a minute, I got to look in the mirror and be like, what the fuck am I doing to mess up my own life?
	Yeah.
	Everybody make the changes from there.
	And then just to get through your notes here, you said, I had more of a bro phase than a hoe phase.
	Instead of sleeping with a bunch of dudes, I was friends with a lot of guys and I bro down.
	Guys are way less stressful to be friends with.
	I have seven bros.
	I have seven friends.
	Like I have seven brothers.
	Oh, okay.
	So it's easy for me to, I speak dude.
	Yeah.
	And are you like in the middle?
	I'm the middle and I'm the only girl.
	Oh shit.
	You said women need to take more accountability for their own actions and how they get themselves in certain situations.
	They also need to learn to speak the words they mean, not just use words to make a point or emphasize.
	You know, more women who falsely accused a man of R or SA than who actually had it happen to them, women also throw around those two terms way too easily.
	Yes.
	I feel like there's a lot of terms that are thrown around like the word trigger, the word traumas, all these words because they are, they mean something.
	Yeah, they mean something so big that they're trying, and I get it because we're trying to get a point across.
	Yeah.
	And instead of articulating the words, we're just grabbing a word that sounds powerful.
	Let me tell you, I've been more, I've been assaulted way more by women in the strip club than I ever have men.
	Women are the worst in the strip club.
	And women don't want to talk about women being creepers.
	Yeah.
	They don't want to talk about that.
	Like, they touch the most.
	They do the most inappropriate stuff.
	The men are way more respectful.
	Well, you have something on that too, right?
	I do.
	And I won't go into too much about it, but I was essayed underage by a female babysitter.
	So sorry to hear that.
	Yes.
	So women are a fucking problem, guys.
	Yeah.
	Like, I know men can be a problem too, but let's look in the mirror, please.
	Even the ladies out there watching, please, for the love of God, look in the fucking mirror.
	Well, sorry to hear that you went through that.
	You said women can be predators too, and then you – I think that's pretty much it for your notes.
	I have a few more questions.
	We'll do a roast session, then we're going to wrap the show.
	So really quick, I'll just some simple questions here going around the table.
	If your boyfriend asked you to stop partying, would you?
	He asked me to stop partying?
	Partying.
	This is in this situation, it's assumed that you're partying.
	Maybe you don't party.
	I don't know.
	Yeah, I would stop.
	You would stop.
	Okay.
	Yeah, so I would stop.
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	That seems a little hesitant.
	No, I would.
	Do you guys go out?
	I mean, you guys are.
	Yeah, that's weird.
	It's just like hypothetical.
	My boyfriend would never say that.
	He does it way more than I do.
	Well, he parties more than you.
	Oh, way more than you.
	You guys go out and party on the weekends?
	Yeah.
	Like, we party with them every weekend.
	Thursday, Friday, Saturday.
	Yeah, Thursday through Saturday.
	Thursday through Saturday.
	Yeah, if my boyfriend's telling me I need to stop partying, then I'm like, fuck, something's wrong.
	Like, for sure.
	But so if your boyfriend did.
	I swear that will never happen.
	But if he did?
	If he did, I would like this.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	I mean, there would have to be a reason.
	Yeah, I would.
	Yeah, exactly.
	There would have to be a reason.
	Like, he would always say it.
	It's kind of about experiencing that kind of life.
	I don't know.
	But I would.
	I don't party, but I would stop.
	All right.
	And then your boyfriend thinks you dress too revealing and he asks you to dress more modestly.
	Do you go along with that?
	That's so funny.
	Because my boyfriend likes me in the least amount of clothing.
	But yeah, I would have to say no on that.
	I know myself, I've been in a relationship before where that was said and I don't like being told what to wear.
	So.
	No, I mean, if he gets into the relationship knowing how I dress already, then he shouldn't have a problem with it later on.
	I have something on that, but.
	I don't really know.
	I've never experienced that before.
	Dressing revealing or a well, what do you like?
	I don't like really dress like super revealing.
	Right, maybe you don't.
	Yeah.
	So I don't.
	You go out to a party one night and you're wearing like, I don't know.
	Oh, he's fine with that.
	As long as he's like next to me and like sees me.
	Okay.
	But like if it was like me by myself, I feel like he would get like a little upset by it.
	Not like controlling as much, just like be more like worried.
	Like, are you going to be okay?
	Okay, he says, I don't feel comfortable with you wearing that when you go out.
	I would like you to change.
	Yeah.
	Do you change?
	I probably would.
	I would rather keep the peace than start a fight.
	So you would start a fight, though.
	No, I would rather keep the peace than start a fight.
	But you would think he was wrong.
	No.
	Oh.
	Yeah.
	I mean, depends on where we're going.
	No, no, so he's not going out with you.
	You're just going out.
	Oh.
	And he's like, I don't, you're too revealing.
	Put on the burqa.
	No.
	No, I'm kidding about the burqa.
	But too revealing, I don't know, put on the jacket or put on some pants.
	I wouldn't like change, but I guess I would put on like a jacket or something.
	Okay.
	Yeah, I guess.
	Come on, be honest.
	It's controlling, right?
	No, I don't control it.
	It's controlling.
	I mean, I just, I don't know.
	I don't know.
	I guess I would.
	I would dress modest.
	Yes.
	All right.
	One more question.
	Then we have to do a Twitter react.
	Then we're going to do the roast session.
	You randomly get spawned into the forest.
	And then there's two buttons that also get spawned in front of you.
	You can either spawn a random bear or you can spawn a random man.
	So the mode of, there's no mode.
	Why is he in the forest?
	It's just you press the button.
	He just appears, and then you will cross paths with either the bear or the man.
	Did you pick the man or the bear?
	If it was random.
	Random.
	I would probably just pick the man.
	Okay.
	I would pick the man.
	I would pick the man.
	Yeah, the man.
	The man.
	Man.
	Man.
	Oh, wow.
	Okay.
	What would you do if it was a woman?
	I'd pick it up for the woman.
	Woman or bear?
	I'd pick the woman.
	I'd pick the woman.
	Now, if I had to pick which one I have to share my feelings with.
	Just imagine.
	I might pick the bear.
	Just imagine she opening up to a bef.
	The bear's like consoling me.
	You know what, Ben?
	Nobody really.
	I'm kidding.
	I could pick the bear, though.
	I'd pick a panda bear to spawn with.
	There you go.
	If I could pick.
	Wait, you guys really not bear?
	Just curious.
	I feel like you guys got bullied into that.
	Because everybody else was saying man.
	No, I would say man.
	This is reasonable.
	If it wasn't random, if it was just, I'm in the woods and there's, you know, some dude that's kind of scary.
	Yeah, I would bear that.
	Tweets.
	We're going to do tweets.
	We're going to do roast.
	Then we're going to wrap.
	So guys, guys, it's in the title.
	I save it to the end all the time.
	But before we do the tweets, we've got to go.
	I'm going to start talking shit and have a proper.
	Okay.
	Can you pull up the Twitch?
	It's okay.
	It's all right.
	Can you pull up the Twitch really quick before I get into the Twitter beef?
	Yo, boys.
	Boys.
	Go to Twitch.
	Excuse me.
	Twitch.tv slash whatever.
	Drop us a follow.
	Drop us a Prime sub.
	That's Twitch.
	Oh, the old versions of Everybody Too.
	Okay, we'll do that before the tweets.
	Guys, twitch.tv slash whatever.
	It's been six minutes since we last got Prime.
	Guys, can you guys help us get to, we're 50 followers away, boys.
	From 92,800.
	Hit that follow button if you're watching on Twitch.
	Get us to 92,800 before the end of the stream.
	Comedy, got kids.
	Thank you for the Prime Man.
	Blah, thank for the Prime.
	Bev, thing for the Prime.
	X, I can't even pronounce it.
	B3R6.
	Thank you for the resub.
	Appreciate it, guys.
	Drop us a follow on Twitch.
	And then let's pull up the disc.
	Do you got the Discord old people thingies?
	Let's do that really quick.
	And then we'll get into the Twitter beef, the Twitter drama.
	I got into it.
	Okay.
	I'm in my crone phase, okay?
	I'm awake.
	Wait, do we have comparisons?
	We do, yeah.
	Okay.
	All right.
	So this is bad.
	This is like the will you be better looking in response to that.
	I feel like I changed ethnicities in that one.
	I am not.
	You became Asian.
	Yeah.
	It tends to make people Asian.
	It does.
	Yeah.
	I'll put it back.
	And Asians do not age like that.
	So fucking.
	I mean, she looks good.
	This is an old Asian lady.
	I think we all.
	Oh, yeah.
	Okay.
	That's a white one.
	Oh, damn good.
	I'm terrible.
	All right.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Slay.
	Oh, dear Jesus.
	Oh, man.
	That's fine.
	Oh, shit.
	Wait.
	You're either Asian or high.
	Oh, my God.
	Oh, shit.
	That's funny, dude.
	Are you sure you're aging instead of Asian?
	What?
	Why did it is?
	Yo, bro.
	Can you guys find one that doesn't turn us all Asian?
	Can we see?
	Is there more?
	That's it.
	Japanese shit.
	Wow.
	Let's do the tweets really quick.
	A little Tay.
	So guys, I got into it just before you pull it up.
	I got into a Twitter beef with a little Tay.
	Probably you guys don't know who this is.
	Yes, we do.
	She's in the hospital, right?
	Yeah, that one.
	Wait, who's not?
	She used to be like the fake ghetto thug.
	Yeah.
	Isn't she in the hospital?
	That's what I thought.
	Thank you.
	Somehow, I don't know how this happened.
	I got into a beef with a 16-year-old Canadian girl.
	So she posted on Twitter.
	We'll pull it up.
	Oh, no.
	So play the video.
	Oh, so she's you can just keep it like that.
	For all the people that are talking shit and have a problem with me standing up for people of color, LGBTQ community, get the fuck off.
	Hack it.
	They look good.
	They look good.
	Yo, graffiti.
	Thank you, man.
	Thank you, brother.
	And then, so let's pull it back.
	Maybe start it back a little bit.
	Shit and have a problem with me standing up for people of color, LGBTQ community, and women.
	Oh, boy.
	Get the fuck off of my page.
	Because what made you think that I wanted you here in the first place?
	You can fucking leave.
	Growing up is extra hard.
	If you're a person of color, if you're someone in the LGBTQ community, if you're a woman, you're not a part of a marginalized group, then obviously you wouldn't understand.
	But like, why the fuck do you have a problem with me speaking up for it?
	can go fuck yourself for all the people that are talking so you'll see here uh and then i quote tweeted it or you can scroll up just a bit No, scroll up.
	Yeah.
	Women are marginalized.
	Question, question, question mark.
	And then she responds.
	I didn't think she was going to respond.
	And then she says, yes, women are marginalized.
	Ever heard of the gender pay gap, reproductive rights being constantly under attack, or the rampant rates of violence against women?
	Maybe try cracking open a history book or Googling sexism.
	It's 2024 time to catch up, which was probably not written by her, but one of her PR people.
	And then go to the next tab.
	You see my response.
	And then, so I did a very thorough response.
	Scroll, scroll.
	That's fantastic.
	I love it.
	So I said, gender pay gap has been debunked for years.
	Men have no reproductive rights.
	Men are more likely to be victims of violent crime.
	Now let's talk about how men are marginalized.
	If you guys want to see the tweet, I'm not going to read all that.
	But scroll down a bit.
	Yeah, I was like, here's how it's not great.
	It's rough out there for men, you know.
	And then I said, I'll read the wage gap part or scroll up just a teeny bit.
	So there's all kinds of gaps because she referenced the wage gap.
	A big one is the gender empathy gap, where people are much less likely to feel empathy for men, whichever gender you are, but related to wage.
	Let's talk about the dangerous job gap, die on the job gap, electrocuted to death gap, crushed to death gap, fall to their death gap, injured on the job gap, undesirable, disgusting, dirty jobs gap, work outside in heat, cold gap, shitty hours gap, relocate gap.
	I'm just going to bring it on window.
	Relocate gap, commute gap, overtime gap, work in bum fuck nowhere gap, work a job that props up the entire infrastructure of society so you can sit in your cushy, air-conditioned office job gap, maybe try cracking open the history book or your eyes.
	And then I also work for a frequently stressed out podcast host gap.
	That's another one that my staff can probably attest to.
	So they all like that one.
	So frequently stressed out.
	Losing his mind.
	Frequently.
	Okay, so, oh, and was, was that, I think that was it for the Lil Tay thing, right?
	From Lil Tay?
	Or is it the Billy one?
	No, nothing like that.
	Okay, we'll pull up Lil Tay's response.
	And then, oh, and then she responded.
	I think we responded one other time.
	You guys can go to my Twitter and see the whole back and forth.
	But oh, is this it?
	Oh, wait, can you go back though to the yeah, she, yeah, it was either chat GPT or somebody else was writing that shit.
	So she wrote all that shit, and I was like, I will happily debate whoever is writing all this for you on our show.
	So that was fun.
	I didn't think I was going to be beefing with the 16-year-old this weekend, but it happened.
	And that would be cool, though, to get Lil Tay on the show and do a little debate, a debate with her and whoever was writing all that shit for her on her behalf.
	And then I have one more.
	It's, I don't know if you guys know Billy, Billy Ray Brandt.
	She's been on the show like four times.
	She's on the Gorlock episode.
	She wrote a little thing.
	She wrote like a little, I don't know, it's not a big deal.
	It wasn't that bad, but she kind of talked a bit of shit on Twitter.
	So I got into it with Billy Ray.
	Let's pull it up.
	And then, so she wrote, she spent three hours writing this tweet that I just responded to.
	And then I just responded, why don't you come on the podcast with your boyfriend who probably wrote this parentheses and we can have a debate.
	And then there's some other more back and forth.
	So I don't know what happened this weekend, guys.
	I normally don't get into these Twitter beefs, but I got into some Twitter beefs this weekend.
	I wanted to update you guys.
	A lot of Twitter beefs going on.
	It's crazy.
	It's crazy out there.
	So yeah.
	And by the way, I wasn't saying that to be sexist.
	I do actually think she admitted that her boyfriend like writes a lot of her content.
	So anyways, whatever.
	I think she said that on the show sometime.
	I don't know, whatever.
	Okay, let's do the roast session, guys.
	We're going to do a roast session.
	Then we're going to wrap up the show.
	Any final thoughts from any of the panelists on any pressing topics?
	Final thought?
	Maybe you want to talk shit to me.
	I will allow it if you do.
	Just be, I'm sensitive, so just be nice, okay?
	All right, guys, TTS is now set to $20.
	$20.
	$20 TTS if you want to get a roast in.
	You want to roast me?
	You should do it.
	Tell me to lose some weight.
	I need to lose some weight.
	Johnny Spiral donated $20.
	Girl number one would stop partying for her boyfriend, but she won't stop fucking other guys with him in the same room.
	She must like cucks.
	Why do you need multiple weenies stuffing those holes?
	What the fuck?
	Johnny?
	Because it feels really good.
	And then I oh, okay.
	Okay, that's what's wrong with your boyfriend, Weenie.
	The Emma Scorebipolar underscore girl donated $20.
	Brian, you shouldn't have broken up with me.
	I would have done the laundry and diced your tomatoes.
	We should be together forever.
	Forever.
	Forever.
	You woo, you woo, you woo.
	Nico O'Fordon.
	We've had to listen to these roided-out tiny nuts and these gummy grifters are not role models.
	Neither Jake or Andrew call in and school these children.
	Wait, is Jake?
	Jake, are you still in the chat?
	I saw him in the chat.
	Jake, do you want to do a call in?
	Let me know.
	I don't know.
	That's funny.
	He's Australian too.
	Yeah, Jake's a friend.
	Wait, you were on the can he do a calling?
	Of course.
	By the way, Andrew, Andrew had other plans.
	So Andrew had other plans tonight.
	Yeah, Jake, you want to do a little call-in if you're still in the chat?
	Let me know.
	Thank you, guys.
	I think he was in Texas, but he's gone somewhere else now.
	Yeah, he travels a bunch.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	He's traveling.
	He travels a ton.
	Jake Rattlesnake.
	Jake Rattlesnake.
	He donated $20.
	Brian, by 1990s standards, you're morbidly obese.
	I know, dude.
	It's good that I'm, you know, it's a little more accepting now.
	I feel like I would have been bullied a lot more if I was.
	Drake donated $20.
	Kiki, do you love me?
	Are you minding?
	Say you'll never ever leave from beside me because I want you.
	And I need you, and I'm down for you always.
	Can you also do hotline bling and started from the bottom?
	Now we hear.
	Started from the bottom up.
	Started from a middle-class Canadian.
	Thank you, man.
	Thank you, Drake.
	Appreciate it.
	Sorry about all the Kendrick Lamar shit.
	It's Kendrick, right?
	Yeah.
	Kendrick who went in.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, that's tough.
	Any final thoughts from anybody?
	Speak now forever, hold your peace.
	It's been a very positive podcast.
	It's been a positive energy podcast.
	Maybe some of the girls are like, whoa, this was toxic, but trust me, this was tame.
	Yeah, this one wasn't really.
	I'm a little bummed out, didn't get a little more heat.
	I wanted to get a lot of people.
	I agree with like 90% of the shit that you talk about, so you and I aren't going to debate.
	If you want to upset the girls, though, the note that I skipped over because I didn't want it to be negative about the board.
	My name is Madison.
	I stand by that shit.
	Burritos miss your mouth, Brian.
	Also, the orange hair on chair two looks better than the orange face on chair four.
	Damn.
	By the way, I missed the pink hair.
	You changed it.
	It was like a month ago.
	You had pink hair.
	Now you got the trial and what color is that even?
	There's tints of green.
	It was like more than faded immediately.
	I went to the beach today.
	Oh, that's the reason I'm on the beach for turning out.
	Yeah, cool highlighter.
	Yeah.
	That's good.
	It's good.
	Let's see here.
	Let me double check if we have everything.
	Gone over the notes.
	If you guys want final last call, guys, on the little roast session, get your roasting, guys.
	Also, you guys need a roast.
	I feel like we need a bit of roast on me.
	I need to be roasted.
	He calls a boys.
	I had a cookie today.
	I had a chocolate chip cookie.
	You got to fucking roast me, boys.
	I can't keep doing it.
	P.O.M.19TH donated $20.
	Women have always been able to work.
	That's just feminist BS.
	Women couldn't have credit cards because they couldn't have debt.
	They spent money and their husbands paid for it.
	Boohoo.
	Okay.
	That is kind of a good point that he made.
	That there's a lot of history and reasons for things.
	I feel like I would have more to say if I grew up in that era, but I don't know.
	I feel pretty happy now.
	Pretty privileged.
	I think somebody sent in a 10, but it's below the threshold.
	Let me see.
	What other final things did I need to go over?
	I think we pretty much hit everything.
	We had a lot of good topics tonight.
	A lot of good.
	It was less toxic than normal.
	That was good.
	I want Gorlock here.
	You want Gorlock?
	We'll get you back.
	We had Gorlock off.
	We have Gorlock.
	No, like, genuinely not even as a joke.
	Look, I love her so much.
	Marcus donated $20.
	Brian, you have been pretty weak this stream.
	You are not the same without an alpha holding your hand.
	I don't know if I can let you spit in my mouth afterwards.
	What?
	What?
	Drake donated $20.
	He used to call me on my cell phone late nights.
	When you need my love, call me on my cell phone late nights.
	When you need my love, and I know when that hotline bling that can only mean donated, donated, donated $20.
	Anissa, you're beautiful, but shut the F by a mistake.
	It's the trumpets at the table who need to zip it.
	Anissa, your queen material.
	So elegant.
	So hot.
	Just look at that little face.
	Wow.
	John Spiral donated $20.
	Brian, you need to get more girls with bipolar disorders, obesity problems, and psychotic behaviors.
	It makes for more fun entertainment.
	The panels have been a little boring long.
	Honestly, though, I kind of wanted to.
	I didn't want to go like too crazy tonight.
	I wanted it to be a bit more chill, a little more lighthearted, a little more fun.
	It's been kind of hectic past couple days, weeks, months, year.
	And so, yeah, it's good.
	I think sometimes you need a more chill panel to kind of just like recharge, you know?
	You know, Brian's left boot donated $20.
	Brian, you have boobs.
	Damn.
	Overweight.
	Monthly erasu and moody outbursts on the podcast.
	Sure, you're not going through menopause.
	I've been on my period for the past like three months, man.
	It's crazy.
	That shit won't go away.
	I tried everything.
	It's crazy.
	Anti-work crusader donated $20.
	Not a roast, but question for Chester.
	Favorite protein powder brand and flavor.
	Also, Christ is Lord.
	And vote Trump because Carmelo is a fucking clown.
	God bless you all.
	Even the fonts.
	Favorite protein flavor.
	Honestly, I'm a simple man.
	I would probably just say chocolate.
	Favorite brand.
	I keep it simple, dude.
	Just GNC.
	Nice.
	Nice.
	Wait, I had a oh, I want to end the show.
	Let's do with.
	You guys can still get some TTSs in if you want.
	Let's see.
	We should do the Patrice clip.
	I kind of want to do the.
	Do you know how to find it?
	I think it's in the video folder, and it's going to be here.
	I'm going to see if I can help you find it.
	So Dropbox, podcast, videos.
	Patrice.
	So, yeah, Dropbox.
	Alpha Smasher donated $20.
	Patrice.
	Any updates on Mason?
	I hope his recovery is going well and he will be back on the show soon.
	Best wishes to all on the panel.
	Austin, can you try to find the update thing for Mason?
	Let's do.
	Let's do Mason, then Patrice and uh yeah, that's a good one.
	Patrice is good.
	Then we'll wrap.
	And let's see what other thing did we have.
	There was a question update on Mason.
	I haven't checked it in a while, but I mean last I looked at, the conservative male donated $19.99 to the young 33 old math teacher.
	On a scale of one to ten, I would definitely rate you at a minimum of a six, not a four.
	Your eyes are super pretty and I love your smile.
	Oh, yeah, yeah, Megan.
	Thank you.
	It's a good thing you got a sunburn in Hawaii.
	I know.
	do you have the mason update okay sweet um oh wait Nick Jensen donated $20 keely why do your arms look like noodles also what do the girls in the back do that is my boyfriend oh that's your boyfriend yo Nick yo we got might be a good idea to actually get dirty in the sheets before they are washed and fucked up
	thank you oh wait hold on wait I gotta pause it really quick wait so can can you do a flex no no he calls me noodle arms we're just gonna no immediately double buy double buy seven wait I like my double buy yeah you guys can do it all natural baby no steroids said no one ever loves orange juice orange juice fucking Myron boys
	oh my god I'm so nervous double bye, come on, hit the double bye no, I'm so good, thank you so much just do this one, your boyfriend will like it no, I'm not doing this just do this, just do this just like that I'm alright, honestly, I'm good I'm the sickest cunt in the best way possible
	I swear to God if you just do this you will be automobile going just do it trust me say say Chesbras said just do that trust me I don't even know what that is like I'll put my arm up your boyfriend to love you or not I'm not trolling you.
	Come on seriously, just do this one.
	Yeah, try it, I'll put my arm.
	That would be so close now, this one up as well.
	Just, yes, you did it!
	That was good.
	Well, if he does the Zizz dance, Zizz dance, Will you do a double buy?
	No, I'm half asleep and starving right, you need to like gonna screenshot this.
	I need some food.
	Manuscrib knuckle donated $20, Brian.
	You're getting orangutan titty.
	What the fuck ladies get from a man that looks at you the same way?
	Brian is working on it.
	I got Labrador donated $20.
	Yo Brian, are you ever gonna let us know why Chase never comes on anymore?
	Did he kick your dog?
	Uh, wait.
	So first off, I gotta respond to the rangutane titties.
	Shit first bro, look first off.
	Not cake, chocolate chip cookies, that's my go-to okay, but yes, I do take long romantic glances at sweets okay, oh my god.
	So that was so fucking lame Chase.
	I think it was more like the invitation has been there for Chase, but he, he doesn't want to come on.
	There's not.
	We I we don't have like bad blood or anything.
	It's just I think I mean the his words verbatim and there's maybe other factors too, but I mean some he said he his words not mine.
	I don't enjoy arguing with whores His words not mine I can't blame the guy.
	He doesn't want to do it.
	It's you know I look I look at what happened to me.
	I got fat.
	He's still fit.
	He's fit as fuck.
	So you know what I mean?
	Checks out.
	Yeah.
	I kind of get it.
	You know What?
	What?
	No, I'm just nothing.
	All right.
	So how like ripped is like the boyfriend or whatever?
	I can show you guys a picture.
	Life Modium Salty donated $20.
	Brian, your girl brings food home.
	XL large shell taco for her, just the way you like it.
	And a burrito for you.
	You go in hard.
	Realize too late it has red end shilada sauce all over.
	Still smash.
	Oh God.
	Honestly, bro, if she fucks up my food order, yeah, like she's not.
	She gets a timeout.
	Like she's not getting anything out.
	She's not getting any.
	Like I withhold sex.
	I'm like, no, you've been mispaving.
	I'm just kidding.
	But it's happened once or twice.
	I was like, damn, that's kinky.
	Yeah.
	It's crazy.
	What if she messed up?
	It's not like to be rejected sexually.
	That shit's crazy.
	But what if she messed up the food order but got you a chocolate?
	You know what's crazy though?
	I'll answer that in a sec, but it's like, well, this food talks about work.
	We only got a few more minutes.
	I'm hungry.
	But it's great.
	Like, you girls only want one thing, and it's so, it's disgusting.
	What?
	Like, sometimes, like, you guys have, just think about one thing.
	Like, sometimes a guy just wants to cuddle, man.
	And, like, y'all want to fuck.
	It's crazy.
	Chase, I don't like arguing with whores.
	Chair one proceeds to laugh.
	Don't argue with me or you'll get fat.
	That's what it is.
	That's true, man.
	I'm getting you the stress hamburger after this.
	But yeah, it's like, I don't know, you girls, like, sometimes we just want to talk and y'all be trying to fuck.
	crazy man like can a guy like I feel like you y'all think we're pieces of meat But you can be true.
	You don't, you objectify us.
	Yeah.
	Like, all you guys want to do is fuck.
	It's like really upsetting.
	Okay.
	It bothers me.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Like, can't we just cuddle?
	Like, chilling?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Like, and then you say you want to talk.
	You got like ulterior motives.
	Like, you say you just want to talk, but all of a sudden you start wanting like, fuck.
	I'm like, can we?
	No.
	Let's just talk, bro.
	Damn.
	These girls are crazy, man.
	Anyways, okay.
	All right.
	Let's see here.
	We're going to do a Twitch raid.
	Then we're going to wrap the show.
	Who are we raiding?
	Oh, the Patrice clip.
	Sorry.
	Patrice clip raid.
	Then we wrap.
	Oh, yeah, okay.
	Million things.
	Okay, let's do Mason really quick.
	Are you able to go to the update tab?
	Oh, I think it's the other website.
	Oh, new updates at the end of the.
	Oh, hit read more.
	Can you make it bigger?
	By the way, guys, with the help of the whatever audience, we raised five.
	Well, the total donations we sent was about $5,000 to Mason.
	He was in a tragic, severe motorcycle accident.
	He's been in the hospital.
	Wait.
	Can you scroll down?
	Can you make it bigger, too?
	Oh, they have not updated this in a while.
	Excuse me, sorry.
	I don't see the update.
	Well, I'll have to check it.
	If you guys touch base with me on Tuesday, I'll take a look.
	Let's do the Patrice clip, then we'll get the Twitch raid ready and then we'll wrap.
	Oh, it's so.
	I apologize in advance for the images you're about to see.
	Wait, what?
	If you're doing a Twitch raid, are you going on our Twitches and reading them?
	Oh, I'm meaning Twitter.
	Oh, no, no, no.
	It's Dropbox Podcast Videos, and it's the Patrice clip.
	You just did yourself.
	What is your Twitter?
	No, I'm just like wondering.
	Stellar underscore rogue.
	Wait, what is it?
	Stellar underscore rogue.
	Started from the beginning.
	Wait, Hold on.
	Let's see.
	Oh, my.
	She.
	Okay.
	Let's play the clip.
	All right.
	Here's a question.
	Here's a serious question.
	Okay, ladies, if you didn't had a show that was completely logical and saying I would have zero dollars.
	Now I have 20 less dollars because I am illogical and vector.
	Yeah, I don't know if there's ever been.
	Every show there's a little something crazy.
	Let's start from the beginning.
	Let me ask you a question.
	Here's a question.
	Here's a good serious question.
	Pay attention.
	This is for the ladies.
	Okay, ladies, if you didn't have a vagina, like say it was a terrible train accident, right?
	And the doctor was like, we have to remove your pussy right away or you're going to die.
	How would you keep your man past?
	You get a two-month guilty, I can't leave the bitch right away because you just lost a pussy in a train accident.
	Can't just walk right out on him.
	How would you keep your man past that if you didn't have registered?
	Pause it.
	And we'll keep it there.
	So, you want to answer that?
	I mean, we have way more holes than just one.
	Okay, all right, sure.
	Way more holes.
	There's alternative ways to put you in.
	Such as oral, anal, oral, anal.
	Sure, sure.
	I would just do anal.
	Oh, that's why I stick to anal sex.
	All right, what about you?
	Into the mic, into the mic.
	Yeah, I don't know.
	Neither.
	I don't.
	Wait, neither?
	I don't know.
	I zoned out.
	Sorry.
	So it's like, okay, here, here, I'll recap it for you.
	You get in a train accident, terrible train accident, lose your pussy in the train accident.
	Right.
	So can't have like carnal mouth that kind of sex anymore.
	What do you do to keep your men?
	I don't know, like treat them right.
	That's the answer.
	Sure.
	What do you do to yeah, me too?
	Treat treat them very good.
	Okay, all right.
	What do you agree with what she said?
	There's other holes.
	There's other holes.
	Alternative knees.
	Like what?
	Hands and hands and buttons and what the what?
	Get inventive.
	Yeah, there's lots of options.
	I don't know, man.
	That sounds like a lot of work.
	I meant to press.
	She was the mouth that got away.
	I meant to press that one.
	Okay, let's play the rest of the clip.
	Wow.
	Nothing?
	You can talk.
	You can talk.
	Suck his dick.
	Okay.
	Mouth.
	Anal sex.
	Asshole.
	That's right, you see what I'm saying?
	Now, I've been getting pussybeating the whole show, right?
	But I give women the opportunity to say, I'm gonna make myself worth more, but.
	But you just classified yourself as a series of holes.
	But, you know, I'm.
	I'm supposed to teach you special, but you're just a bunch of holes to yourself.
	No one said learn how to play Xbox, learn how to play pool, tell better stories, get another bitch that got a pussy to come over.
	Well, look, whatever.
	So some of you passed.
	You guys have hope.
	Most of you failed, but it's okay.
	All right, so we're going to wrap up there.
	We're going to do a Twitch raid.
	Oh, let me.
	Sorry, there's maybe one roast that comes in.
	Labrador donated $20.
	Okay, final call.
	Do you love licking dingleberries?
	You look like you do.
	No.
	Watch.
	But people like licking dingleberries out of me.
	Oh, what?
	No, that's my thing, it is.
	It's fucking disgusting.
	But it was funny.
	Excuse me.
	So.
	Yikes.
	Okay, so last call.
	If you guys want to get a TTS in, guys, let me just get this going.
	We are going to raid Woe Grandma if you can get that going, Austin.
	So, oh, last thing.
	Call to action.
	Are you willing to stop doing OnlyFans and that stuff?
	Like, just run more?
	Yeah, just quit right now on the whatever podcast because we were so convincing that it's awful.
	We didn't want to be talking about it, but no, I'd still do it.
	Still do it.
	Okay, darn.
	Too bad.
	Okay, well, I tried.
	Anyway.
	Maximum effort.
	Tried my best.
	Put in a lot of effort there.
	Okay, so GG, well played.
	Well played to the panel.
	Last call, hit the like button, please, on your way out.
	Thank you for tuning in tonight.
	You could have been anywhere in the world, but you're here with me.
	I appreciate that.
	Thank you to everyone who super chats, donates, and supports the show.
	Thank you to the wonderful panel tonight.
	You guys were great.
	We will be live again Tuesday at 5 p.m. Pacific.
	Any girls who want to be on the show, DM out whatever on Instagram.
	If you can make it to Santa Barbara 07s in the chat, good night, guys.
	We're going to do the quick raid really quick for those of you watching on Twitch.
	Before you leave, guys, on Twitch, drop us a follow over there on Twitch.
	drop us a prime sub if you have one and then uh let's get the let me just double check here We're going to raid WoGrandma so we can get that going.
	You guys so much for watching on Twitch.
	Appreciate it.
	Appreciate it.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	So she's 82, guys.
	Be nice.
	Be nice.
	She's playing World of Warcraft.
	Okay.
	So I'm going to send the raid in 10 seconds, guys.
	She's so cute.
	So right now, she's happy.
	It's a good thing.
	It's a good thing.
	It gives them joy.
	Like, they get friends.
	I think that's cute.
	Okay.
	Thank you guys for watching on Twitch.
	I hope you guys have a good night sending the raid now.
	Good night, guys.
	Does the raid give her lots of friends?
	It gives her tons of friends.
	Does it make pleased?
	Very pleased.
	Oh, this would be nice.
	Let's watch this old lady.
	Yeah, she'll be happy.
	She's so cute.
	What a way to end a wholesome pun cost.
	Whatever.
	Whatever is raiding.
	Hello, hello, hello.
	What a nice lady.
	You're right, Silverback.
	Good evening, whatever.
	How was everything in your podcast?
	Good stream.
	Good stream.
	We could do one more, but we're gonna have a tag again, and I am not bugging.
	Boom.
	All right, there it is, folks.
	Okay, you can pause that.
	All right, guys.
	All right.
	07's in the chat.
	07's in the YouTube chat.
	I hope you guys have a good night.
	We got a great show lined up for you guys on Tuesday.
	We'll see you guys on Tuesday.
	Good night, guys.
	07s.
	Chat.
	Good night.
	Wait, wait, wait.
	kind of interrupted you when you were talking about uh your brother did you want to say like a final uh thing about your bro here as we i just want to say um thank you to everyone who supports aziz who supported the movement since day one The Miskas, the OGs, the newcomers, the lovers, the haters, all you guys.
	It's all thanks to you guys that this movement is possible, that it's created such a powerful momentum in the universe.
	And his name is bigger than ever.
	It keeps him alive and it brings great joy to me.
	So I want to thank you guys from the bottom of my heart.
	Thank you very much.
	It was good to have you guys here.
	Thank you, man.
	It's been a pleasure.
	Thank you, Brian.
	Well done, guys.
	All right, guys.
	One more for us.
	Let's go, baby.
	The whole panel should do it.
	There we go.
	There we go.
	There you go.
	She's thinking about doing it every time.
	Flip it and ship it, boys.
	Okay.
	All right, guys.
	Hope you guys have a good night.
	We will see you guys on Tuesday.

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