Whatever Podcast - She MISSED Her Ex While MARRIED?! Her Past DOES NOT Matter?! Andrew Wilson IRL!

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She MISSED Her Ex While MARRIED?! Her Past DOES NOT Matter?! Andrew Wilson IRL! | Dating Talk #205

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	With that said, without further ado, we're going to have the guests introduce themselves.
	So please tell us your name, age, location, and occupation.
	Go ahead.
	My name is Alyssa.
	I'm 28.
	I'm a real estate agent, and I also own a cleaning, a residential cleaning LLC, and I live in Austin.
	All right.
	Welcome back.
	What about you?
	Hi, I'm Bella.
	Online, I go by Bella Cakes.
	I'm from Michigan.
	I'm 21, and I do OnlyFans, and I also work at a coffee shop.
	Oh, you're from Michigan.
	Yes.
	Have you and Andrew crossed?
	I didn't know that you were from Michigan.
	All right.
	What about you?
	Or actually, I'm sorry.
	What do you do on OnlyFans?
	I do sexual content.
	Well, no shit.
	Yeah, but like I just do like, well, I mean, like, some people do, like, you know, general, but I mean, just like, what do you mean by like, what do you do?
	Like a girl, solo content.
	Oh, I mean, I do solo and with my boyfriend.
	Okay, got it.
	What about you?
	My name is Jamie.
	I'm 24.
	I'm from Santa Barbara, California.
	I'm kind of in a break for work.
	I'm doing stay-at-home parenting.
	Yeah, Santa Barbara, California.
	What were you doing for work before that?
	I was a paraeducator.
	Okay.
	Oh, and schooling.
	Have you gotten your bachelor's or a couple of years at the city college?
	Yeah, a couple years at city college.
	What about you?
	Any school?
	I am in college right now, but I'm studying.
	I'm studying marketing, but I prefer not to talk about that stuff.
	So you don't need to tell us where you go to school.
	Yeah, yeah.
	So you're studying your major's marketing?
	Yes.
	And then schooling for you?
	Yeah, I'm halfway through with my elementary education degree.
	All right.
	Do you have a bachelor's yet or no?
	No, no.
	But that's what I'm going towards.
	Also, I mean, I have like a certification to be a real estate agent because you have to go to school for that too.
	Got it.
	I'm Yekka.
	I'm 35.
	I sell gold and silver.
	And I am in Bashtrop, Texas.
	It's a small town about 45 minutes outside of Austin.
	And any school?
	I went to culinary school like 14 years ago.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Silver and gold.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	With a wise silver.
	You sell copper?
	No, but I usually give out copper for free, like with orders.
	Titanium?
	Pallidium.
	Okay.
	All right.
	What about you?
	I'm Toria Brooke.
	I'm 31, and I'm a citizen journalist, and I also work for a senior advisor to President Trump.
	All right.
	And I'm in Palm Beach County.
	And age?
	31.
	31.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	Hi, my name is Hedi.
	I'm 30 years old.
	I'm originally from the Los Angeles area, but I moved to Salt Lake City with my husband about four years ago.
	And I'm in between jobs right now, but I have a background in an art history degree and worked in interior design previously.
	So I'm just trying to find my footing, see what I want to do.
	Stay-at-home wife.
	All right.
	I'm Morgan.
	I'm 18.
	I go to Santa Barbara City College majoring in poli-sci.
	All right, Andrew?
	Yeah, my name is Andrew Wilson.
	I'm the host of The Crucible.
	It's a popular entertainment channel on YouTube.
	I'm a political analyst, political satirist, and I engage in conversations and debates from time to time.
	All right.
	I'm Brian Atlas, 35, Santa Barbara, California.
	Occupation, washed up over the hill, has been YouTuber.
	And so welcome, everybody.
	So we're going to go around the table and get everybody's relationship status.
	So are you like single, in a relationship, married, whatever it is?
	If you're single, how long have you been single?
	And what's the longest relationship you've ever been in?
	Go ahead.
	I'm single.
	The longest relationship I had been in was five years.
	Was that your marriage?
	Yeah.
	So I guess I'm divorced.
	Sort of, because he did file for a retrial, but it's going to also end in divorce.
	I don't know.
	Oh, hey, Jay.
	Nico O'Four donated $200.
	Yeah, thank you, Mr. Brian.
	For our conversation, please accept this donation as part of your legal defense fund.
	Thank you.
	I appreciate you and Andrew and all that you do.
	Let's go, boys.
	Get those legal donations in.
	Hey, Prut, really appreciate it, Nico.
	Sorry if I'm not pronouncing your name right, but thank you so much, man.
	We'll talk more on Instagram.
	Thank you, man.
	Single.
	The divorce is finalized.
	Because last time you were on the show, I believe it was still kind of being worked out.
	Yeah.
	And who filed?
	Me.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	And then, okay.
	What about?
	Oh, and that was your longest relationship, right?
	Yes.
	How long, when did the divorce go through?
	It was finalized in July.
	But we've separated.
	We've been separated for a long time.
	Yeah, since January.
	You'll have to give us a recap.
	Actually, yeah, why don't you just give us a recap on that whole thing?
	Okay.
	I met my husband through a mutual friend.
	I came over to his house twice and then kind of just never left.
	And we got married and had two kids and then divorced.
	Well, I filed for divorce.
	We split up like a year ago, essentially.
	And have not seen or talked to him since.
	I've tried reaching out on behalf of the kids to no avail.
	He didn't show up to the divorce, the first divorce trial.
	So I think he probably thought that I wouldn't go through with it.
	And if he just waited me out, it wouldn't happen.
	But it did.
	And then two days after we get the divorce decree, essentially, he files for a retrial and suddenly has a lawyer and like, you know, is fighting that now.
	So we're prepping to go to trial again.
	I mean, it defaulted to you, right?
	Because you didn't show up.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	So that's why he filed.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	What'd you get?
	Did you get everything?
	I did.
	So the only things that I asked for is like things that we agreed to before I filed.
	He has the house because he owned it before we were married.
	And I just asked for regular standard order custody, which is for people who don't know, he would get them every other weekend.
	That's standard in Texas.
	I kept my car.
	He kept his vehicles and like he pays their health insurance and stuff.
	Metro, thank you for the gifted 20.
	Go ahead.
	Continue.
	And then when it comes to child support, like he didn't pay it.
	But after he filed for a retrial, I got it like once.
	I'm a little confused here.
	So when you say he didn't pay child support, was it court-ordered child support?
	Okay.
	And like no financial support of the kids essentially since I left.
	Have you seen him at all?
	No.
	I've emailed him.
	I've called him.
	I actually just called him on their birthdays because their birthdays just passed and he didn't answer.
	So then I sent a follow-up email and he didn't answer that either.
	But that's okay.
	They're doing great.
	I feel like that got kind of heavy there for a second.
	Yeah, a little bit.
	Yeah.
	Wait, so there is a child support order, though, from the court.
	Yes.
	And I got it once.
	But that's, you know, that's the extent of any involvement.
	He is asking for full custody now, which is absurd.
	But.
	Like, I feel like it's an intimidation tactic, though.
	Yeah, I didn't expect it to start.
	Started out a bit heavier than you usually.
	Yeah.
	What was he ordered to pay you?
	$2,300 a month.
	Okay.
	Plus back child support.
	If I recall, he's well off.
	Yes.
	He earns a substantial income.
	Yes.
	But he was not well off when we met because last time the comments accused me of marrying a rich man and then forcing him to have kids.
	That is not how it happened.
	He was like crippled when we met because he had just had back surgery.
	But he progressively made more money as we got together because he's an old-filled electrician.
	And so then he went 1099 about two years into us being married, and that's when he really started making money.
	But he's the one who wanted kids too.
	So he paid the child support once.
	Yeah.
	When was the child support order granted?
	Officially in July.
	Okay.
	And then in September, I got it once.
	Yeah, because everybody was like, oh, yeah, she's probably big balling.
	Like, where?
	Please tell me where.
	Well, I mean, just because he doesn't pay it doesn't mean he doesn't owe it.
	Yeah, he owes it.
	You simply need to see your case manager go to the court.
	Yeah, I mean, but there's a lot of people that are like hundreds of thousands of dollars in back child support debt that never pay it.
	So, I mean, but I don't think he'll get to that point, though, because he has blood from a stone, but he's financially well off, so there are methods by which the court can compel child enforcements.
	Yeah.
	But that's why he's asking for full custody now, so he won't have to pay it.
	But they're not, that doesn't happen.
	He's not going to get full custody.
	He might get shared like 50-50 at best.
	But yeah, in his mind, that's what's going to happen.
	Okay.
	All right.
	What about you?
	I am in a relationship, and my longest relationship was two and a half years.
	All right.
	Is that your current relationship?
	No.
	I have only had two relationships.
	So the longest one was the two and a half years.
	And then the current one I got with him in around, well, we started officially dating in June.
	So it's been about a few months now.
	Okay.
	So four months?
	Yeah.
	Four months.
	All right.
	How did you guys meet?
	Tinder.
	Tinder.
	All right.
	And really going back to you really quick.
	So there's been no guys in the picture recently.
	Yeah, there has.
	Oh, okay.
	Do you have a roster?
	No.
	No, I see one person at a time.
	And then if I start, like if I'm interested in one person, I just kind of cut off everybody else.
	I started dating like a few months ago, maybe like in August.
	And there was one guy that I was seeing for a little bit.
	And do you want me to hop into the ex thing?
	Or the crazy, or wait for the dating stories for that one?
	So I like was seeing one guy-ish, like not anything serious, no label put on it, just getting to know each other, whatever.
	But then I had a house break-in.
	So I was like, I have an ex that has my handgun.
	And I had another gun, but it's broken.
	Like the trigger is all the way back.
	Like it won't, and that's very dangerous.
	So can't use that.
	And haven't gotten it fixed yet.
	Anyway, had a house break-in, and I was content leaving the gun with my ex for the last few years.
	And like, you know, because he lives like several hours away, like four hours away.
	But after that, I was like, I'm going to get my gun, and I don't care how it ends up.
	I'm leaving with my gun.
	And so then, yeah, so then I like ran into my ex.
	And then I guess we're talking now.
	By talking, you mean.
	Like, it's like brand new.
	So ex-boyfriend.
	Glocktavius donated $200.
	Why is it that if a woman sleeps with a bunch of men, she's a slug?
	But if a man does the same thing, then he's gay.
	That's a really good point.
	Wow.
	Glocktavius.
	Double standards are messed up.
	That's pretty bad, yeah.
	Yeah, messed up.
	Okay.
	We can get into more of your stuff later.
	What about you?
	I am not single.
	I've been in a relationship for three years.
	That's the longest relationship I've ever been into.
	Okay.
	And that's also your longest.
	Not married, though.
	Okay.
	You have a child, is that correct?
	Yeah, he's two and a half years old.
	Okay.
	And is it with your current partner?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	And, wait, two and a half years old.
	But you've been together for three years.
	A little over three years.
	A little over three years.
	Okay, so you got knocked up on the first date?
	Yeah, it happened pretty fast, actually.
	Looking back, it's pretty funny, but yeah.
	Like, so you think it was like within the first week of meeting?
	Yeah.
	You got pregnant.
	And then we moved in together around then, too.
	Just immediately after meeting each other.
	Have you guys ever been, like, has it ever been on again off again?
	Or it's always been?
	Not really, no.
	No.
	Like, we've had our ups and downs in the relationship, like, I think any relationship, but we've been, we haven't had any breaks.
	And let's see.
	So together for three years, you got a kid.
	Like, was it planned?
	It was planned, yeah.
	Wait.
	So both within four days.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	And he was like, I want to get you pregnant, and you guys just met?
	Is that how did it go down?
	Give us the details.
	Yeah.
	Well, when I met him, he was 29.
	He's, I think, 33 now.
	I was around, like...
	You think?
	Yeah.
	Oh, he was...
	We said he was.
	Boyfriend and father of your child is.
	You think he's 33?
	No, he's turning 33 in December.
	Okay.
	But, like, see, when I met him, he told me he was 28.
	He looked maybe even younger than that.
	Wait, he lied about his age.
	Yeah, he was 29, though.
	But he wanted to seem younger, I guess.
	By a year?
	Just kidding.
	By a year, yeah.
	And so, wait, so, but it was planned.
	You said it was planned.
	Yeah.
	So he was like, well, are you on birth control?
	And you said, nope.
	Yeah.
	And then I said I could get pregnant.
	And I think the first week of us dating, he was like, we would make some pretty beautiful kids.
	And yeah, I don't know.
	I was like, let's try it out.
	Yeah.
	Looking back, it was a little fast, but I'm never.
	Love it first sight.
	Yeah, I love it first sight for real.
	And I wouldn't take it back.
	Well, you know, all right.
	Interesting.
	What about you?
	I've been single for almost five years now, and the longest relationship I've been in was four years.
	All right.
	Is that the one that ended five years ago?
	No.
	Okay.
	That ended like eight years ago.
	So the most recent relationship that ended five years ago, who ended it?
	He did.
	And then the four-year relationship, your longest one who ended it?
	I did.
	Okay.
	And you've been single for five years?
	Have you been celibate for five years?
	No, three, though.
	You've been celibate for three years?
	Yes.
	And then what's the, in the five-year single period, what's the longest period of time that you've been dating somebody?
	In the five years, like a probably like a few months, yeah, like three or four months.
	Okay, nothing serious, though.
	No, I've never.
	Okay.
	All right.
	And you have a kid?
	No kids.
	No kids?
	Okay.
	Never married.
	Never married.
	You don't have kids?
	I mean, I could be mistaken.
	I could have sworn on your Instagram there was a bunch of photos with you and a child.
	Probably.
	My friends all have kids.
	I have pictures with her kids and all my friends' kids.
	I love kids, but I don't have any kids.
	What about you?
	Longest relationship was eight years, and I've been single for a year and a half.
	Single for a year and a half?
	Longest?
	Married?
	Nope.
	No kid?
	Any kids?
	And single for a year and a half?
	Was it the eight-year relationship that ended?
	No, it was not.
	Okay.
	Got it.
	And you said you're from Texas, right?
	I'm originally from New Jersey, but right now I live in Florida.
	Yes.
	Oh, wow.
	You got an accent.
	You got to live an accent.
	Well, I grew up in New Jersey, and then I also moved to Colorado when I was about four, so I lived there until I was 12.
	Okay.
	Maybe that influenced some of it.
	Was it like a rural part?
	Yeah, I mean, I lived in various towns in Colorado.
	Yeah, you got a cool accent.
	All right.
	What about you?
	I'm newly married.
	I just got married in May, and this is my longest relationship.
	I've been with my husband for a little over four years now.
	All right.
	Congrats.
	Thank you.
	And you said it's your longest relationship.
	All right.
	And got it.
	And you're how old again?
	Sorry?
	I'm 30.
	30, okay.
	Got it.
	All right.
	Morgan.
	Single.
	Longest relationship?
	Two and a half years.
	Andrew?
	I'm married.
	Have been for well over a decade.
	All right, cool.
	That's everybody's relationship status.
	So I'm going to read a chat here real quick.
	We have Greta Thanos.
	Holy crap, can that first girl date Asmund Gold so she can clean his house and get him out of his mom's attic?
	Who is that?
	Didn't we pull that up?
	Asmund Gold's Instagram.
	He's a Twitch streamer.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, maybe we'll ask.
	Well, yeah.
	I think you said you would date him.
	I said I would.
	I don't have no idea who it is.
	Oh, wait, wrong helmet.
	That.
	Okay.
	Hard to tell.
	It's here.
	All right.
	And then let's see.
	What do we have?
	Thank you, Greta.
	Appreciate it.
	If you guys want, read is 100, TTS is 200.
	Contribute to the Legal Defense Fund, guys.
	And let me see here.
	What do we have?
	I'm going to get into the pre-show notes.
	And one moment, guys.
	One moment.
	Okay.
	Clement, what?
	Clementine?
	It's an eternal sunshine movie.
	Alyssa's, yeah, actually.
	And you used to do, but no longer do, was it OnlyFans and stripping, correct?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Many, many years ago.
	What were the big disagreements from last show that we had?
	I think the only disagreement was that I think that you guys think that high body count is a bigger issue for like the majority of men in America than it really is because I've never been asked that ever.
	And I'm not even saying that it shouldn't be an issue because I agree that it should be personally.
	But that was, yeah, that was pretty much the only thing.
	I'm sure there was more, but so, okay, body count then.
	So I guess two questions for the panel.
	And before we actually dive into any of these things, I'll go around the entire panel and allow you guys to give us something.
	So two things.
	Any disagreements that you have with either something that's for those, I know some of you maybe aren't as familiar with the show, but any disagreements that you've either heard from me or from Andrew here, any disagreements about the show?
	And then secondly, any dating topics that you want to touch on, starting with you.
	Okay, so aside from like what I just said, I just think it's wild that you say, Andrew, that you don't even involve your wife and like what you say just goes and it's not even a good discussion because you don't even want to, you don't care to deal with it.
	That's not what I say.
	Pretty much.
	I just say if it is the case that I do do that, right?
	She doesn't have a say.
	So when I feel inclined to do so, if necessary, she doesn't have a say.
	It doesn't mean I don't involve her in any decision making.
	That would be absurd.
	In fact, I need to consult with her on many, many, many different things because she runs the household.
	But who doesn't have to be a little bit more?
	So then maybe I just saw like one point that ultimately the position just is if I decide not to involve her, that's really, that's my choice and not her choice.
	And if I decide that we need to do something within the household that she may disagree with, that's ultimately my choice.
	Doesn't mean I don't involve her in any decision making.
	Okay.
	I have a question.
	Do you think every relationship should be like that?
	Or is that just for you?
	I think that if more relationships were run as a patriarchy where a woman submits and man's ahead of the household, that they would be a lot better for both people involved.
	I think biblically speaking, what's going on in this country right now, part of the reason we're having so much fallout, even politically, is because there aren't enough male leaders and figureheads and we need strong male leadership all around.
	So I don't disagree with your viewpoint.
	I think there's obviously exceptions, as you're kind of bringing up, like there should be female involvement in certain decisions, but I respect your view on that.
	Problem is, is that people always want to make arguments from outliers.
	The kind of like, we're always looking at these small outliers and going, what about them?
	Well, we're not going to shape policy around outliers, right?
	We're not going to do that.
	We're not going to shape society around outliers.
	We're not going to do that.
	That would be really stupid.
	That would be the sacrifice of the whole for the few rather than the few for the whole.
	That would make no sense.
	Like you could imagine that there's some people who possibly stop signs may affect negatively.
	I don't know.
	I'm sure that they're out there.
	I don't know how they're affected negatively by them, but I don't give a shit, right?
	Because we still need to have stop signs.
	So I just ultimately don't care.
	I'm not going to be like, oh, well, let's go ahead and redo everything when it comes to you stopping at an intersection because that affects your mental health.
	Yeah, like I have some retarded challenges.
	Like I agree with you.
	I think there is a biological aspect to relationships and gender roles and all that.
	But I think that in a relationship, you should have the decision to, you know, kind of have the dynamic that you want.
	Like if the woman wants to be the provider, I think that should be like an option, you know?
	But like in general, I do think that biology plays a part and that in general, men are more inclined to be the provider.
	Listen, I agree that if a woman wants to be a provider, she should be a provider.
	I would just advise any man who is with a woman like that to get the fuck away from her.
	That's all.
	Like, I'm not.
	Hey, if a man is not a person, he wants that lady.
	Like, I'm not going to say that they can't, right?
	That would be absurd.
	And maybe there's some guy out there who's like, oh, I just can't wait to samp for you, queen, or whatever.
	You know, whatever it is, fine.
	But my advice to men like would be to get away from that woman.
	It's probably going to end very badly.
	Probably.
	Not the best idea.
	Okay.
	I kind of want to just get everybody's disagreements before we dive into any of the particulars.
	So was there more?
	No, I think that's it.
	Okay.
	Disagreements.
	Oh, so I kind of like already kind of stated like my stance, but I do think that there is like a biological aspect to like gender norms and like, you know, like just gender roles in society in general.
	But I think that like in my relationship personally, like I would like to be like a trad wife.
	Like I want my husband to provide for me, but I understand that there are women who don't want that and that's totally fine.
	I think I meant like three.
	Yeah.
	But it seems like every time we reduce it, they would prefer to stay at home.
	Yeah.
	And, you know, I don't know.
	Like I think that I just think it's important for people who don't want to follow that route to have the option to.
	Yeah, that's basically all.
	And I do think another thing that was that I mentioned is that I do think that women have it a lot easier like in the dating realm.
	But I think that a lot of that comes with a lot of scrutiny as well, like from patriarchal ideals from society.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	And that's a dating topic you want to hit on.
	The women have it easier when it comes to dating.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Yeah, we have that in the notes.
	Any disagreements?
	Not really, no.
	Okay.
	Any dating topics you want to hit on?
	Dating topics.
	No, I guess anything I could add is that there should be stop signs as a comparison.
	Well, metaphorically, there should be stop signs in certain areas on the road.
	But I completely agree.
	Like if somebody wants to be a trad wife and it works out for the family, then that's cool.
	But it also like if somebody's going to be doing all of that work, like all the house cleaning and such, like they need to be provided for.
	And I think that I'm in society now.
	It's harder because things are so expensive for like every family unit to do that.
	Like typically women have to work too in the family.
	And I just would hope in a perfect world nobody would be putting all of the responsibilities on one person in the family.
	Maybe we can just jump in now.
	It seemed like, Andrew, you wanted to add something on this?
	We can just jump in now.
	Yeah, well, I just want to make sure I get the position down.
	So if the woman's staying at home, she should be provided for, right?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	What does that look like?
	It looks like taking care of the house, taking care of the meals.
	No, her being provided for.
	What does that look like?
	Oh, well, provided for financially, like what she...
	Well, women will kind of often tell me that there's like a trope, right?
	Well, if I'm staying at home, I'm cooking and cleaning and taking care of the kids, basically, right?
	I drive them to school, and when they have a toothache and when they're sick, I take care of them, blah, I get all that.
	What's the expectation for being provided for, though?
	What does that look like?
	Having everything you need and never stressing out about it.
	Everything.
	Yeah, but what is that?
	When you say need, does that mean like a bowl of gruel a day because that sustains you?
	What does it look like?
	Living happily.
	Like getting, getting, being able to have all of the things that make somebody comfortable, you know.
	Comfortable.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	To live in comfort.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	So you think that if you're going to be a stay-at-home mom, you should live in comfort?
	You should have the things you need and some of the things you want.
	Yeah.
	This really doesn't tell me anything.
	So you say you should have the things you need.
	Okay.
	Need's a very subjective word, right?
	What do you need?
	You need to sleep.
	You need to drink water.
	You need to eat food.
	You need gas.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	You need stuff like that.
	Yeah, okay, I get it.
	You need those things.
	But when it comes to comfort, luxuries, things like that, what are the expectations there?
	I have extra money, I guess.
	I mean, if somebody's not to be working and they don't have an income, so they're taking care of the house.
	Right?
	Okay, but like some girls expect all the bills paid plus their nails done and their hair done and like their upkeep.
	Is that what you're saying?
	Yeah, what are your expectations, in other words, for being provided for if you're staying at home?
	If that's the agreement between the two.
	But what are your expectations?
	Well, hang on, before we get to me, can we finish on the inquiry here?
	I'm just curious.
	The statement is: I stay at home, I should be provided for.
	I'm not disputing that.
	I'm just trying to figure out what that means.
	What does it mean I'm being provided for?
	Does that mean my food and board is taken care of and that's it?
	Or does that mean I get my hair and nails done X amount of weeks?
	I have my own account.
	He puts money in it.
	I get an allowance.
	Like, what does that mean?
	Yeah, like being able to have some extra spending money, I guess.
	Okay.
	Those are your expectations.
	Yeah, being able to.
	Like, when you're working, you can buy bigger things, you know, like a car, right?
	So it's not a job to stay at responsibility in a sense.
	She buy you a car.
	No.
	I mean, unless I need it and he's working and can afford it, but if I don't need it, then, or want it, I guess.
	And it also differs from person, from couple to couple.
	Yeah, I'm just trying to figure out a standard because the standard here was: if women stay home, she should be taking it.
	It's not just her, right?
	It's just woman in general, right?
	They stay.
	So I'm just trying to figure out what she thinks that means.
	Be provided for financially in needs and wants.
	And wants.
	Well, where do we draw the line on what people should?
	feel like a good comparison to make and i hate to make this comparison is like how you would like take care of your child like kind of like buy them clothes like buy them you know give them the funds to do that kind of stuff and um i feel like that's kind of like your woman like a child No, I don't think you should treat her like a child.
	I think that you should like when I, when it comes to like doing the necessary funds for them, I think that's a similar kind of like.
	Yeah, but what is necessary?
	What does that mean?
	Well, what do you think it means?
	Well, I'm not making the claim.
	I don't know.
	Well, when you were talking about.
	You're not making the claim.
	So the thing is, necessary, I guess, would mean like, if you want to talk about needs, like food, shelter, water.
	Yeah, I get those.
	I grant all of those are needs.
	And then I think that if a woman isn't working and she can't provide for herself, then the man should probably take care of everything else.
	I mean, there's all of her wants.
	Well, so hair and nails, sometimes.
	I guess what I'm getting at is like who ultimately makes the decision on who provides what?
	I see.
	They make the decision together.
	Yeah, what if they can't agree?
	Then they just shouldn't be together.
	I agree.
	Great.
	Wow.
	Find someone who's accountable for you.
	You fixed it.
	It's a simple fix.
	Awesome.
	What if we can't agree?
	Then get the fuck out of here.
	Great.
	That's awesome.
	Well, no, but I think this should be discussed at the beginning of a relationship.
	Because people don't, because people don't have things which come up in relationships they disagree about all the time, even after they've made an agreement for the relationship.
	But you can mitigate the risks.
	How?
	By speaking about it ahead of time.
	That doesn't mean that nothing will come up to change.
	Right.
	So since we know that.
	So then how do we answer this easily?
	Well, here we are.
	If you're looking for an easy answer, so are we discussing just the initials?
	Who's going to be happy at the end of this?
	Let me answer to this.
	We're discussing all of it.
	So let's start with this, this idea.
	You have children, right?
	Yes.
	Doesn't that change the dynamic in a relationship?
	Maybe for, I mean, to some extent.
	To everybody.
	It's going to change.
	And in regards to finances?
	No, just in behavior.
	Just in behavior, period.
	It's going to change the dynamic, right?
	Now you two have to agree about another life too, not just your own.
	Yeah.
	So what I'm talking about is a threshold breaker.
	Where do we get to the threshold breaker?
	Where do we get to the point where, like kind of tying it back to what you said earlier, Andrew, I can't believe you fucking monster that you don't let your wife have a say in anything.
	And it's like, well, okay, one, that would be absurd.
	But two, I'm giving you a great logical reason why right this second.
	What happens when we hit a threshold breaker?
	We can do one of two things.
	We can do what you do and destroy our entire family because you shouldn't be together.
	That's not dramatic.
	Perhaps.
	Well, hang on.
	How is it dramatic?
	You said they shouldn't be together.
	That's dramatic.
	Why does it have to be the man?
	It's the first meeting.
	Not right.
	So this is the question, right?
	You say, why does it have to be the man?
	Well, the woman's staying at home.
	You're saying that woman have wants that are not necessities.
	I want things that aren't necessities.
	So who makes a determination?
	She gets what she wants.
	Her?
	If she's relying on the money from the man?
	that's actually fair if it that relationship has that dynamic um I guess that would be but I like again going back to like what I was saying before like I think like this is like a relationship like by relationship basis like it It depends on the relationship.
	For you, that might be.
	Yeah, we're entailing the relationship right now.
	So you can't answer individuals.
	So I agree in this situation.
	We're entailing the relationship right this second.
	We're saying in this relationship, the woman's staying at home.
	The man's providing not just for her needs, but for her wants as well.
	So if he's providing for needs and wants, plus, like, for instance, she might have all sorts of frivolous shit he doesn't care about.
	Guarantee you, in fact, he does, right?
	Okay, you're going to spend money on that frivolous shit.
	Fine.
	Guarantee you that there's going to be plenty of things that a woman gets that he literally does not give a shit about, right?
	That's not really even going to be up for debate.
	That's going to happen.
	So if that's the case, right?
	Who's the threshold breaker?
	Who gets to be the ultimate symmetry breaker, the decision maker when you're going to be able to do that?
	If he makes the money.
	Yeah.
	I think from the onset of a relationship, if a woman's looking for something that's a lavish lifestyle, then she should be targeting a man who's going to provide that lifestyle.
	And you can't expect that out of somebody who is not living that life.
	So like if you're a blue-collar guy that might not be making as much as, you know, a Saudi prince, then if she wants a lavish lifestyle, then she should not be going for that blue-collar guy.
	Yeah, well, I agree that that's true.
	I think that this is scalable.
	He's saying, like, what if he like loses income or something?
	Then how do you adjust?
	The point he's trying to get to is that if he makes the money, ultimately he gets to decide what it's spent on.
	Yeah.
	Well, I mean, one, one, I would agree that, yes, that's true.
	But also further, I take it one step forward and say you actually, because there's only two, there's only two people who are in a relationship, right?
	Unless you're a fucking weirdo.
	But normally you have mommy and you have daddy, absent blue-haired Coomer gremlin.
	So ultimately, I would think since there's two, you guys are going to have a disagreement at some point.
	Somebody has to be the decider.
	Somebody's got to do it.
	Somebody has to be the one who breaks the symmetry, right?
	I don't see a way around that.
	I've never seen a way around it.
	What if you had like a random number generator?
	What's that?
	What if you had like a random number generator and you like flipped a coin?
	Yeah, okay.
	So let's say you flip the coin and you still disagree.
	Well, you have to go whatever the coin flips.
	You don't have to do shit, right?
	Well, I mean, if that's the agreement, then you can't really definitively debate this.
	Yes, you can.
	Definitively defensive.
	I'm sorry.
	Wait a second.
	People don't change their mind all the time, constantly, consistently.
	Well, if you're agreeing to flip a coin and whichever side it lands on, you go with that.
	Then if you go back on that agreement, then that relationship is a good thing.
	I suppose that two people could agree to flip a coin and wherever it goes, it goes.
	But I think that that would be a really bad way to.
	Yeah, I agree.
	I still think that that would create more problems and it would help.
	It would, but I also think, like, when you say that the man should make the decisions, like, how do you have conversations with your wife then?
	Do you like tell her what you're going to do or do you ask her first?
	Like, well, I think like any healthy relationship on planet Earth, we have discussions about what we want to do.
	Okay, so you why we want to do those things.
	However, right, if there's any impasse, I'm just going to decide.
	And there's many times.
	Can you give me like an example of like a time where you had to put your foot down?
	Oh, yeah, it happens all the time, especially with raising kids.
	Okay.
	All the time, non-stop, especially when it comes to discipline, things like that.
	Okay, that's fair.
	Okay, you want this to happen.
	I want that to happen.
	I don't fucking care.
	It's going to happen this way.
	Okay.
	I see.
	Very simple, right?
	Very easy.
	So, like, that wasn't really an example, though, was it?
	Yeah, that's a great example.
	Discipline.
	I don't want the, I don't want X discipline to happen, or I don't, I think maybe this is too harsh, or even this is too light.
	We have a disagreement on that.
	It's a perfect example where, okay, I'll just be the symmetry breaker.
	Okay, ultimately, I'm going to make the choice.
	And I think that that's actually necessary.
	Yeah.
	Honestly, I see, like I said, I don't think that it works in every relationship, but like for me personally, I don't like making decisions.
	So I like having that in my relationship.
	I think when there's a good balance of masculine and feminine energy, if the man leads, it allows women to sit in their feminine.
	And that's what we're so desperately missing right now in this country.
	Like, it's actually sad.
	I mean, I grew up with a single mother for the most part.
	And I think, no, I think that for the most part.
	From men.
	Yes.
	I'm agreeing.
	If we had women, but from men.
	If we had more of strong relationships and nuclear family, then women wouldn't be forced as much to work on their own as much as they are, and they'd be able to rest more in their feminine.
	So I think it's kind of a voting for Kamala to try to get back to that strong.
	You mean fraudulent?
	Fraudulent femininity?
	You don't like that I'm voting for Kamala?
	Hey, to each their own.
	I'm not the one making the vote.
	Are you actually?
	He's okay.
	I was like, he's crawling.
	He's calling.
	All right.
	All right.
	So clip it.
	I was like, maybe there's some sort of like, I don't know, like reverse psychology or something in voting for her.
	No, no.
	Well, she said that.
	I knew.
	She has, you know, she like works for a senior coach.
	Oh, yeah, yeah.
	So I thought that that would just introduce like pressure for no particularly good reason.
	But anyway, so back to this.
	Yeah, I think, so I think this will always be the case.
	I think anytime you have two people, or what you'd say, two consciousnesses, which come into contact, they necessarily try to dominate each other no matter what, no matter what.
	I don't care what the circumstance is.
	Something like that is occurring.
	So since I think something like that is always occurring, I don't think it's any different in a relationship.
	And one of the personalities is going to have to be dominant.
	It's always going to have to be dominant.
	My question is: like, so what about like in like a lesbian relationship?
	Like, who do you think there's like a like the Bush?
	Who cares they all go divorced?
	Who cares?
	Well, I mean, like, it's a, it's, it's a question.
	Like, they exist.
	Like, what do you think there?
	Also, just have an additional question.
	Also, in dwarf-dwarf relationships, I'd like your comments on like that dynamic.
	I think that one should wear shoes that lift them an inch, and then they got the advantage, right?
	Um, okay, so so back to this in lesbian relationship, I don't care, they're outliers.
	So I just literally that's fair.
	I mean, like, so, and okay, so you do agree that there are straight, like, heterosexual relationships where the woman is making the decision and that is healthy for that relationship.
	I don't think it's usually healthy.
	There could be, I'm going to concede that logically there's going to be some.
	Okay.
	There has to be some relationship somewhere where some fucking simp loser is letting his woman tell him what to do.
	I don't think it's that rare.
	And he's totally okay with it.
	Like, I agree.
	No, no, no.
	It's not rare that they do it.
	It's rare that they're okay with it.
	That's what I think.
	I think that they would prefer not to have that dynamic.
	Understandably, yeah.
	So I think a lot of people think relationships, they are not happy.
	Yeah, like the women aren't happy either.
	Yeah, so perfect.
	Perfect.
	So, I mean, can I logically accept that such relationships occur?
	Of course.
	And that there's some asshole somewhere who just loves that shit.
	Yes, there's guys who like getting their balls stomped off.
	I know because I've had women on here who tell me that they paid them to do it.
	So clearly, there are insane lunatics all over the place who want crazy shit, but who cares?
	I'm not going to advocate towards any of that because that's definitely the exception of the norm.
	The exception of the regular.
	I think generally, right, if we were to take the whole into consideration, the kind of best family dynamic is cross-generational nuclear.
	And since it's either cross-generational or nuclear, that because you need a mom and a dad at home, that you're going to have to defer to the man because generally his job is to protect the family.
	And he's the one who can do that, can, is capable of, and the woman usually is not.
	And so, since that's the case, I think he gets to be the symmetry breaker.
	That seems completely reason-based to me.
	Are there any areas in your relationship where you do take your wife's advice?
	Because, for example, with my husband, take her advice all the time.
	Okay, I just want to, I mean, there are some.
	It goes like as I'm like, honey, I'm about to troll these stupid ass feminine.
	What do you think?
	I have a question for you.
	It happens every day.
	What do you think women's strengths are compared to men?
	Their strengths?
	Yeah.
	Well, in which way?
	In every way.
	Because I feel like a lot of the time, like they can have kids.
	Not necessarily.
	I was going to say also earlier.
	Yeah, I don't.
	Listen, I'm going to be totally honest with you.
	And we can't do that.
	Like, why are you with yourself?
	By the way, we can debate this right now, and I'm going to enjoy it.
	So, here's my position: women can have children, men can't.
	Women are literally better at men than at nothing.
	Better than men, literally at nothing on planet Earth.
	However, men have women completely and totally beaten when it comes to force and the application of force.
	Did you know that Einstein stopped making discoveries when he left his lady?
	Do you know that Einstein was fucking like he was fucking a cousin or some like a first cousin?
	Probably.
	Something like this.
	I'm not kidding.
	Wait, Einstein stopped.
	No, but what was the claim?
	He stopped making discoveries when he left his girlfriend or wife, or she left him.
	It's actually debated that they were all hers.
	Yeah.
	Exactly.
	Okay, but women are also more nurturing and they're better characters.
	Wait, when did Einstein meet his wife?
	I don't know.
	No, no.
	Before his discoveries.
	I used to think all of this shit.
	I used to think just like you did, right?
	Okay, surely women are more nurturing.
	Nope.
	Nope.
	The thing is, is that externally, the presentation that women are more nurturing, socially, this is much more acceptable that they present themselves as being more nurturing.
	That doesn't actually mean that they are.
	That just means that socially they present themselves as being so.
	I've never been convinced that women are more nurturing than men ever.
	I think that they perhaps do it in a different way than men do, but I don't think.
	Men breastfeed?
	Well, how do you think men are nurturing?
	So I already conceded.
	Right?
	So two things.
	One, yes, men can lactate, just so you know.
	But two, right?
	You probably didn't know that, but yes, they can.
	That's the grossest shit ever, but yes.
	But two, to this point, I already conceded reproduction as being the only thing a woman can do that a man can't.
	But you came from us.
	So how would you do that?
	What does that have to do with anything?
	I can't reproduction.
	I also came from the reproductive genetic material of my father.
	Or did you think that women unilaterally got sex or got pregnant?
	Do you think that they unilaterally get pregnant?
	This on their own, they're asexual, snap their fingers and become pregnant, or does it require male genetic material?
	Well, why do you disagree that women are more inherently nurturing?
	Because when I look at the stats for abuse rates of children and things like this, I used to think all sorts of things.
	I used to think that men were far more likely to essay than women.
	It's not true.
	I used to think that.
	Wait, what?
	Okay, what exact stat is that?
	Yeah, well, actually, I can pull them all up.
	I'd like to see it.
	If women are.
	Hang on.
	Hang on one second.
	Okay.
	This is going to come as a shocking stunner to you, but I'll actually logically demonstrate it.
	And then what I'm going to do when I'm out having a smoke, I will literally text these to Brian.
	He can pull them all up on screen so that you can see all of the studies and have them all prepared for this just for this conversation in case the day came where it came up.
	And today is that.
	Wait, but like what kind of essay I'm asking?
	Is it like in general or is it like a specific essay?
	It's even penetrative.
	Even penetrative essay.
	Yeah, isn't that amazing?
	So the thing is, is here's why.
	Here's why this occurs.
	It's because of reporting.
	So I did not know this, but there's a reclassification for penetrative essay.
	So if men are not penetrated, it's not counted as SA.
	And that's insane.
	That's absolutely fucking insane.
	So it's just, they just completely don't count it.
	I couldn't believe it.
	So how did they gather the data then?
	By self-reporting, same way they do with women.
	And so when they did all these studies with self-reports in colleges all over the place, they found out that men were reporting that they were essayed by women far more than women were reporting they were essayed by men.
	What?
	What was the second thing?
	It's just that they didn't go and make, well, again, I'll pull them all up.
	I don't remember all of the authors off the top of my head.
	But yes, this was done and repeated multiple times.
	So no, I don't believe in this myth.
	I've never believed in the myth.
	And here, I can even logically show you.
	Do you agree with me that things that women consider to be essay are usually overlooked with men?
	An example of this: if you're at a party and I walked over to, at my age, an 18-year-old girl who was randomly on a couch and started rubbing her shoulders, you would be a fucking creep in essaying the girl, right?
	Yeah.
	Now take 40-year-old hot mom, comes over to 18-year-old boy on the couch, rubs his shoulders.
	Probably not a big deal.
	I think that you can see that that's probably not a big deal.
	Yeah, I don't think that's a good idea.
	So why is one essay and one isn't?
	It's because of how it's reported.
	No, no, I don't think that this kind of thing is a big deal.
	I think it's a difference in like when a man essays a woman, like, and I'm not, and like, this is like in a vacuum necessarily.
	So, like, usually when we're talking about essay, like a man essaying a woman is like a lot more serious.
	Like, well, I'm not talking about, it's hard to, it's hard to say that.
	Like, not a man essaying a woman is not more serious, but like, yeah.
	So imagine if I was making this claim the other way.
	No, I'm not saying just well, just envisioning.
	Yeah, I would say that's when a man essays a woman, that's not a big deal, right?
	Did you even imagine that?
	No, I'm just talking about like women fear.
	Do you fear women?
	Yes.
	Whoa, wait, wait.
	Can you just repeat?
	Hold on.
	Repeat your claim.
	No.
	You said it wasn't.
	I don't want to misquote you, but you said something along the lines of it's not as big of a deal.
	No, that's not what I meant.
	Okay, well, what did you say?
	Just repeat what you said.
	Okay, so can I rephrase it, though?
	Repeat what you said, then you can refresh it.
	Okay, so I said it's when we're talking about essay, like a lot of the time it is not as like serious when we're talking about like, you know, like when women do it.
	Yeah, are you talking about the method of abuse like physically?
	Well, not met, yeah, method, yeah.
	Does this apply to other forms of assault or violence?
	Well, I mean, it kind of goes into it because you can physically abuse.
	So, any crime that occurs to a woman is more serious.
	It's not more serious, but it usually impacts more harm.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	By a man.
	Let me ask you this.
	So if a woman suffers, if a woman is a victim of a crime, she is impacted more severely than men, than a man.
	Usually, yes, because men are biologically stronger.
	I see what you're saying, okay.
	Oh, okay.
	So if the chick is really buff.
	Well, yeah, if a girl is really buff and she beats her boyfriend's ass, then yeah, that's an anomaly.
	Like, I would assure you.
	She's really buff and she gets beat up.
	Let me ask you this.
	That's going to be less impactful than if she was weak.
	So if a man gets shot in the head and a woman gets shot in the head, is there a differential on the impact?
	No, because they're not using force.
	You're using a gun.
	That's not a good idea.
	But there is a differential if a woman gets punched in the face versus a man because women have less dense skulls.
	Right, but both men and women have the same capacity to get the same injury.
	Okay, so do you think men are stronger than women?
	Yeah.
	Okay, so do you think men will hit harder than women?
	Yeah.
	Okay, so men will hit harder, will hit a woman harder than a woman will hit a woman.
	Yeah, but so what?
	If I were to get into a fight with a really weak guy who started shit, nobody would think twice if I smacked him.
	Yeah, but because that's an anomaly.
	No, it's not an anomaly.
	Almost every time two men fight, one is significantly stronger than another.
	Yeah, it's a generalization.
	Women are stronger.
	Yeah, generalization of what is standard.
	And so this idea that because women happen to be weaker than men, almost all men are weaker than other men.
	Women do tend to get concussions more easily, so even if you're- Austin, right here.
	She's right here.
	If you're watching MMA, for example, if you watch the women's fights, even between women on women, they finish much quicker than they do with men because they have less dense skulls, and so they are more susceptible to concussions earlier on as well.
	Well, let us assume for a moment.
	Let us assume that men were far more likely to get concussions than women, but were far stronger than women in every other regard, which they are right now.
	And if they hit them anywhere else, it did way more damage.
	Okay?
	Wouldn't you still make the recommendation that because there's a force differential that men didn't hit women?
	Even if women hit men?
	Wouldn't you still make the same recommendation?
	Even if men could get concussion.
	Yeah, of course.
	So the concussion thing doesn't matter.
	Ultimately, it doesn't matter.
	If we're talking about the moral imperative, right?
	If a woman strikes a man, then she, you know, she gets hit back.
	That's the way it works.
	That's what you get.
	You know what that does is it teaches women not to hit men.
	There's a really good Bill Bird bit on that, by the way.
	Yeah.
	I mean.
	I mean, I don't think anybody should be hitting anybody.
	I mean, that's great.
	There's usually a difference.
	I don't think anybody should get cancer, you know?
	Yeah.
	I mean, but they're going to.
	And this other thing is, like, since they're going to, I want to have some kind of reasonable policy and some type of reasonable social policy around how you deal with the fact that because it's going to happen, women get really mad and they hit men for some reason, socially unacceptable for men to hit them back.
	And the answer to this is, well, it's because they're weaker.
	And it's like, okay, but every time a man gets a fight with another man, the other man is also weaker than him.
	Most of the time, right?
	One of them is weaker than the other.
	There should be battered men's shelters.
	Well, what is a battered woman sheltered exactly?
	A woman who was in a domestic violence relationship and she's in a shelter for safety.
	Yeah, I mean, I would give those to men for different things.
	For different why?
	Yeah, like false SA claims.
	But why wouldn't you give it for physical?
	He's too rich.
	He's too rich.
	They should hide his identity.
	What?
	Why wouldn't you give it for physical abuse?
	Well, I don't think it would be necessary to do that.
	Why not?
	Because generally speaking, I don't think most men would need that for physical damage.
	Okay, so you think that men are more physically abusive than women?
	No.
	No.
	So then why?
	So do you think battered women's shelters should be a thing?
	I mean, it's fine.
	You can have a battered women's shelter if you want, I guess, yeah?
	But men do cause a lot more damage is what she's trying to say.
	You can't get mad at men because they're better at it.
	No one's mad.
	I think she's saying that women.
	think about like sports like you have different leagues for different for different like yeah unless somebody puts on a wig Well, I mean, you I mean, it's like it's a comparison.
	Like you have different leagues for different strengths, just like how women and men have different strengths.
	Well, then I guess lightweights who take on heavyweights should have a battered men's shelter.
	What do you want me to say?
	When women are abused, physically abused, they are there.
	It's a lot more detrimental to their physical well-being and health.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, okay.
	I would say that physically, right, they could take the short end of the stick because they're less strong, yes.
	But that does not mean it's more detrimental.
	That's where I would have.
	No, hang on.
	I just conceded that point.
	Literally just conceded that point.
	I would say that it wouldn't, that doesn't mean that it's detrimental, though, over what's going on with the man.
	Wait, Andrew, if I may point out, I do believe this is shifting the goalposts here because I believe your original claim was, even in the instance where let's assume that the damage caused by woman onto a man and the damage caused by a man onto a woman, assuming the damage was totally equivalent, your position was still, even with equivalent damage done, that it's still worse for the woman.
	No, I misspoke.
	That was your position.
	I misspoke then.
	So this whole argument.
	But I'm willing to just concede it because I don't think it has any merit, right?
	That's not my position.
	I'm going to assume this, in fact.
	Let me just...
	Oh, wait.
	One second.
	Hang on.
	Yeah, go ahead.
	Go ahead.
	I'm going to assume this, in fact, that every single time there's a confrontation between a man and a woman, which is physical, that the man's going to overwhelmingly win and the woman's going to get her ass kicked.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	No matter what, in every single circumstance.
	So what?
	You hit a man, that's what happens.
	What's the problem here?
	Weren't we talking about SA?
	And what were we talking about before that?
	Yeah, but I'd like an answer to that.
	i don't okay i don't think that okay i'm just saying i think that like when there is a physical abuse situation like if a woman ends up like punching her boyfriend he is not necessarily going to need to like go to the hospital because he does So it doesn't take a physical toll on him.
	Yeah, it takes a physical toll.
	You're just saying it takes a lesser one.
	Yeah, it takes a lot of time.
	My question to you is, what is actually wrong with?
	What is actually immoral about?
	What is actually problematic?
	If a woman strikes a man for him to strike her back, what?
	Honestly, I don't necessarily think there is something wrong there.
	Right.
	So then your whole point here makes no sense because even if I concede the battered women's shelters, yes, they're going to lose every single time they get into a fight with a man.
	You've just conceded that if they strike a man.
	If you're striking him first, then it's different from him striking you first.
	Yeah, but you and I agree that nobody should be striking anybody.
	Yeah, exactly.
	But we understand that there are women who do strike men.
	If they do that, you don't have anything morally to say about the man hitting her back.
	Nothing.
	So are you going to say that Cassie shouldn't have maybe pressed charges against Diddy?
	Or what?
	Are we all in agreement that what Diddy did to Cassie was wrong and that that is SS?
	I mean, that's abuse.
	Well, I don't know exactly what the details here are.
	Because I feel like there's some kind of discrepancy here, and it's not being accurately discussed that when a man hits a woman unprovoked without the woman hitting him, then that's wrong.
	Yeah, just like you're saying, no one should be hitting each other.
	Both agree.
	We probably all agree on that.
	So I mean, he'd be able to do a lot more damage to Cassie than Cassie would have done to him.
	Yeah, but what, but so this is where the problem comes in, though, right?
	It's like, so what?
	Yes, I get it.
	The guy's going to do way more damage than the girl.
	All right.
	But so what?
	The moral imperative seems like it's the same to me.
	It just seems like it's exactly the same thing.
	I was like, okay, you're not.
	So we were talking about women being nurturing.
	So it's like, it's immoral for you to hit men.
	I can't even keep up with this point.
	Right?
	It's immoral for you to hit men.
	Is it moral for men to hit you?
	Great.
	That's what we've established.
	Why don't you believe in like maternal instincts and women being more nurturing?
	Well, I think they have maternal instincts, but doesn't that coincide with what does nurturing mean here?
	Let's start with that.
	What does nurture mean?
	I think being a natural caretaker, you know, being inclined to take care of children and those in need.
	Yeah, no, I dispute.
	I dispute categorically.
	When I look at data for single fathers and single mothers, the single fathers seem to be excellent caretakers.
	The children live in cleaner houses, have better outcomes, go to prison less.
	I mean, almost every outcome, every metric, they do better.
	Do you think that's because usually when the father gets the child, it's because the mother was like a really bad mom and the father is like way better?
	No, I think that sometimes they just get them because the mom dies.
	Yeah, that's an outlier.
	But we can make these comparisons like this, right?
	So you can follow widows.
	You can follow men whose wives have died.
	And then you can follow women whose husbands have died.
	Okay, what's the difference?
	And you can tell.
	Have you done this?
	And you can, no, there's been tons of studies which have done this.
	And you can look at the comparisons and you can see the outcomes for single fathers in single father homes are better.
	And here's why.
	Here's the number one reason why.
	It's because of men.
	It's because of women bringing strange men in.
	They're usually far more likely, they're not related to the child, to be abusive towards the child.
	Men who are raising children, they don't have that problem with women.
	But this isn't talking about men and women.
	This is talking about single mothers and single fathers.
	So then wouldn't that prove the point that men are more abusive?
	And I don't care either way, but just because you said earlier that you don't know that men are human beings.
	It proves that men have a force doctrine, which can make a deterrence that women can't.
	Not that they're more abusive, but that women are far less likely to like, oh, I don't know, do something bad to a man's child because he can really significantly hurt her badly.
	Is there a study with like mothers and fathers together that shows?
	Because like this study is only right about the outcome of single dads.
	Well, yeah, but this is showing single mothers and single fathers.
	There might be other like, you know, yes, there might be like other outside factors.
	Okay, but here's what my argument was: my argument was: no, I'm not willing to concede that more nurturing, if our metric for more nurturing is kid's healthy, kid is clean, kid feels loved, kid feels safe.
	I feel like that's all things we would agree nurturing is.
	Hang on, and if that is the case and the metrics for all these children is way better under all of those criteria, then how can I make the claim that women are more nurturing?
	Because I think that those claims might kind of like mix together with like your idea of what a man should be.
	Because that's like if a kid is fed, that's like providing.
	If a kid feels safe, that's like pretty nurturing, yeah.
	Well, what the hell does nurturing mean?
	Nurturing is like love.
	Women tend to put more loved, like I can tell you that.
	A kid feels loved when he's dirty.
	No, it's not like no, it's like words of affirmation.
	Like, think of love like that.
	I'm probably wrong there, though.
	Like, do the study specifically say that the dads keep the kids more clean?
	Because if I am just guessing, and I do know that you're right about the stats on this, but if I was to guess the variables involved here, like women do tend to put more pressure on, like we're more neurotic.
	So we're like, they have to be perfectly clean, they have to be this, and that makes us more stressed, and maybe we're like more bitchy and less caretakey.
	But it also creates multitasking, so you get less of it done.
	Whereas men do singular tasks better.
	So the thing is, is I think that men, yeah, I think that their basics would be like, okay, you're fed, you're clean, right?
	You went to school, you didn't fuck up, it was a good day, right?
	I really think that it's probably not going to be too much more complex than that.
	And by the way, it probably doesn't need to be more complex.
	But do you think that maybe like a woman's biological drive to be a caretaker and like, because we definitely have more anxiety when it comes to things like that?
	You may have more of a biological drive to be one, but what we're disputing is whether or not you're better at it.
	My dispute here, again, I'll give you my position again.
	There is not one thing a woman can do that a man can't do equally as good, if not better, but there's multiple things that women cannot do that men can do much better.
	So if men could have children, would you date men?
	No.
	So why?
	Okay, so then why are you dating women if the only thing they can do better is have children?
	What did I give you?
	What did I give you the criteria here for?
	I'm asking you, like, you said that the only, okay, so why are you with your wife, for example?
	You mean the mother of my children?
	Yeah.
	Why are you with her?
	Because she's the mother of my children and I love her.
	Okay, why do you love her?
	But for all sorts of different reasons.
	Why?
	Give some examples.
	Because she's super smart and she cares a lot about me and she thinks I'm wonderful and et cetera, et cetera.
	Okay, there you go.
	There I go.
	What?
	What are you talking about?
	How does this demonstrate that women are better at any of these tasks than men?
	I can give you an example of women being more nervous.
	Are you saying because she has all of those that I should feel like attracted to men if they have those?
	Okay, because why wouldn't you be with a man who's better?
	Because I don't want to fuck men.
	But why don't you want to?
	Because they're fucking men.
	What do you mean?
	Why not?
	Because I'm not a homosexual.
	Yeah, you're not attracted to them.
	Exactly.
	So the only thing that you think women is better, women are better at is having children.
	So you view your motherfucking children.
	Oh, no, I'm sorry.
	You're right.
	There's two things.
	I guess women are also better at men wanting to fuck them over other men.
	Okay, so you win.
	So you view you view your wife as inferior.
	Inferior in many tasks, yes.
	Inferior in everything but having kids.
	Yeah, so she's going to be better than me at having children.
	And that's it.
	But individually, that doesn't mean that individually women can't be better at some tasks than men.
	So for instance, my wife's better at writing than I am, right?
	She has a book.
	I don't have a book.
	She's better at all sorts of things than I am.
	She's better at complex mathematics than me.
	She's better at music than I am, right?
	Sucks at all sorts of other things.
	This is the ultimate red herring you just gave, which is if your wife is better than you at some tasks, then this somehow equates, because at the individual level this is true, that you can demonstrate that there's tasks which women can generally do that men also cannot do just as well as them.
	You cannot do that.
	I think that it's fallacious argumentation.
	That's fair.
	I think that men are very good and very bad at things.
	I think they're the best and the worst at things, and women kind of like fall in the middle.
	So it's kind of hard to like make that.
	So then you agree with me that there's nothing you can think of at all, which women are better at than men, but there's things you can think of that men are better at than women.
	I mean, I would have to honestly.
	Is that what you just said?
	Well, honestly, like I would have to think about that because I think that there's.
	Well, think about it.
	I'll give you time right now.
	So back to the nurturing point.
	If you look at divorce stats, when the other partner gets sick, the men leave their sick wives at insane rates.
	So with that, I mean, like, you can't say that's more nurturing.
	Maybe not to a child, but to their partner.
	In that regard, women are definitely With exactly what studies that you're looking at, right?
	And this could have something to do with how long they've been there if there was kids because women could be more likely, for instance, to conceal sicknesses.
	They could be more likely, for instance, to conceal certain things which have been going on, which led to certain sicknesses, so there's justification.
	I don't know because I'm not familiar with the stats that you're citing.
	There could be all sorts of reasons for this, which have nothing to do with nurturing, but have to do with justification.
	Also, careers that look it up and then circle back at some point.
	We should do that, and I'll take a look at the study, sure.
	Careers that lend themselves to nurturing and caretaking, like nursing and teaching, do have a much higher rate of record.
	They do, I agree.
	Hospitals are absolutely begging for male nurses, and they're begging like you can't believe for them because they want physically strong men to be able to move patients.
	But why don't they choose to go into that if they're more nurturing?
	Because they can make a lot more money doing other things.
	Okay, so they're not passionate about that.
	Women are women can make a lot of money.
	Yeah, women can make things too.
	No, no, see, see, they don't have a propensity.
	Hang on.
	This is where we're going to have some disputes.
	No, they can't.
	They're not going to go do roofing.
	They're not going to go do trade work.
	They're not going to go be rocket ship engineers.
	They're not going to do any of that shit.
	They're going to do the exact same shit that they've been doing for 2,000 years, which is nursing, teaching, and serving your beverages.
	They can't go to medical school.
	They go to medical school to be nurses.
	Why don't they go to business?
	They're going down in there.
	Why don't they go to business school and they're going to be in the business?
	Because they're not interested in having businesses.
	Oh, they are higher rates than graduate school.
	Okay, but why are they more interested in nursing?
	Okay, I'm not sure.
	They're really not that interested.
	Why are they more interested in nursing and teaching than in business?
	Because there's an application of what can be done.
	I think they also have a higher propensity for nurturing and caretaking.
	No, I think it's a limitation on what is possible.
	What is possible for most women?
	I don't think most people are doing that.
	But women are going to go into medical school.
	I don't think most women can do roofing.
	Do you agree?
	No, I don't think so.
	Okay, but that's a specific example.
	I don't think most women can be indoor electricians.
	I don't think most women can do that.
	Do you agree or disagree?
	I agree.
	I don't think most women can be plumbers.
	But those are all labor jobs.
	Yeah, so is nursing.
	Nursing is a labor job.
	No, but this is also the reason for the dinner pigment.
	But there are higher rates of graduation rates for women right now than that.
	That's always been the case.
	Even since literally the dawn of the nation, it's always been the case that women had higher graduation rates.
	Always been the case that they have higher graduation rates.
	That's never not been the case.
	Because physical labor is available to men.
	So what I'm saying is they can go into careers that will be more lucrative.
	They can, but they don't.
	They don't go into that.
	Because they have a higher propensity for jobs that include nurturing.
	Yeah, maybe they want to go into that because that's where they're wired to, but that still wouldn't demonstrate that.
	Okay, so that's where they're wired to.
	But there still wouldn't demonstrate that they're more so X.
	So let us pretend for a second, let us assume for a second that we knew immediately that both of us were wired for the same exact amount of empathy.
	We knew this, right?
	But you were limited in what the scope was of jobs that you could or couldn't have.
	And I wasn't.
	I wasn't.
	So out of all the ones that you had, you went, oh, well, you know what?
	I'm pretty high up in empathy.
	So I think I'll be a nurse because I would really like to do that.
	I may also have really liked to do that, but I have all of these other jobs available to me to go do those instead.
	So I went and picked one of those that I liked even more than nursing.
	So the thing is, is like, even if that's true, in this comparison, it would not demonstrate at all that women are more nurturing because they choose the nursing.
	It wouldn't demonstrate.
	So you think that women have high nurturing compared to like intelligence, like their relative intelligence.
	From their relative position.
	Fair enough.
	Yeah.
	I think so, but I don't think that their capacity for it supersedes that of men.
	I've never thought this.
	I will agree to disappear.
	Never thought, by the way.
	So, well, but based on what?
	Show me, logically demonstrate for me how it's true.
	Because there isn't really like a study that can be done because the studies that you're showing me aren't necessarily like demonstrating nurturing.
	Like, that can be demonstrating, like you said, like.
	How do you demonstrate it?
	I mean, it's like it would be hard to demonstrate it through research.
	I think it's like, look at like animals, for example, like how they treat their young, like how they treat their offspring.
	Like, usually it's the mom taking care of the baby.
	But in animals, I would argue that's a mechanism.
	These are mechanisms, not intuitive, rational decisions.
	Are we not animals?
	I think it's instinct as well for when a woman is the same for kids to take care of children.
	Wait, stop, stop.
	Hey, hold on.
	You've been talking a bunch.
	Go ahead.
	I was just going to say, I think it's instinct as well when a woman gives birth to be nurturing and caretaking of her child.
	I agree that women have mechanisms for nurturing, but women also have higher faculties for reason.
	They can offset feelings and emotion also with reason.
	They have higher intelligence than animals do.
	So just saying that, well, okay, their biology kicks in.
	There's also a downside with this that men don't have, for instance, like postpartum depression, where moms terminate their children and terminate themselves.
	All sorts of chemicals get released, which cause significant damage towards the kid.
	It's like, I'm still not even willing to concede that even the day baby born, all that chemicals are released into mommy, that this means that they're going to be a more nurturing parent than the father.
	I'm just unwilling to concede this unless it's demonstrated to me, logically or otherwise.
	There's just no way.
	Like the metrics by which you're, you know, by which you're deciding that a baby's needs are met or a child's needs are met, like just like the basic necessities.
	I think there's also emotional support as well that is oftentimes provided more by the mother than the father.
	Yeah, I dispute that.
	So I think that women really put an overemphasis on femininity when it comes to child rearing, and they really shouldn't.
	In fact, I think that they indulge children far too much.
	I think that they spoil them far too much.
	I think that they give in to their emotional demands far too much.
	And I would say that's counterintuitive, in fact, to caretaking and to nurturing.
	I think that's counterintuitive to it.
	That's why you see single moms with these big fat kids, for instance.
	It's because they're overindulge.
	Let them have a lot of people.
	Okay, but also, that's why a lot of us are single moms because the mother overindulged her son and like enabled his bullshit.
	And then now he doesn't know how to like properly.
	So the thing is, I consider these things.
	No, I don't think that that's because you do these kind of overindulgences, that that's actually nurturing.
	When I think of nurturing, I think of this, right?
	When you leave, you're equipped to deal with the world.
	You're equipped to deal with the world.
	That's nurturing.
	Anything else you tell me external to that, right, is going to be counterintuitive because if it's not preparing them to do well in the world, then how is it nurturing?
	Here's where I'll agree with you.
	Is a thing too.
	Here's where I'll agree with you with a caveat.
	I think the thing that women are better than men at doing is manipulation.
	And that's why you see so many female executives at the top.
	That's why you see the CIA hiring.
	You see the CIA hiring more women.
	There's honeypots.
	Women can manipulate and they can actually make men think that something's their idea when it's really the woman's idea.
	That's why you see divorces happen when there's someone that comes in to try to basically Jezebel spirit him to try to make him come to her.
	So I agree with you that maybe women aren't as nurturing, but if you want to talk about preparing kids to be out in the world, some successful single mothers do a good job because they teach their kids how to be analytical, how to predict things before they happen, and how to prepare yourself for adversity.
	That is the biggest load of horseshit that I've ever heard.
	Let me dispute all of this one at a time.
	First of all, no, they're not better at manipulation.
	Part of manipulation is strategy.
	The best strategists in the world are men.
	They're men.
	And you can't be a great strategist unless you understand the machinations of the enemy.
	You can't understand the machinations of the enemy if you can't understand manipulation.
	So, no, they're still.
	Brian's out here like, oh no, women are better.
	So I'm still going to give even.
	I can't disagree.
	I'm still even going to give manipulation to men.
	I think that men are the better spies.
	I think that men are even better at manipulation.
	When you're talking seduction, right?
	I still don't even think that they have the market on seduction.
	I think that men, well, just fuck them, but they would fuck them anyway.
	I think if you told them you were a spy, they'd still do it, right?
	Because they just want to.
	You know what?
	I'll tell you, your wife's probably a genius.
	Right?
	So the thing is, but backing it up from there, if you're talking about kind of out in the world, I would love to know how you think single moms better prepare their children.
	I didn't say that they are the only ones that do.
	I said the successful single moms who have to be in that situation that aren't necessarily nurturing in the feminine way that you're talking about, where they might coddle, they might give them tough love and say, listen, this is the way the world is, and this is how I want to prepare you.
	They'd be taking on more masculine roles.
	And you still wouldn't have demonstrated they're more nurturing, only that they're more masculine.
	Well, in regards to how you describe nurturing, where they're more equipped to deal with the world, like I, because I can tell you, because I have to do both roles, I'm far less coddling and like, you know, I'm more kind of like strict.
	And this is what you need to have the skills to have people like you, which is important to socially integrate and things of that nature, which Peterson talks about.
	But you're definitely right.
	Like, because we have to play both roles, how you describe nurturing, we can be more prone to being that type of nurturing as opposed to like, oh, I'm at home.
	I don't have to worry about anything.
	I can just be in a good mood in my life.
	I'll just grant that it's so, that you can do this.
	This still would not demonstrate that women are better or more equipped for it than men.
	So again, my initial argument would still stand that there's a whole slew of shit that I can point out that men are way better at than women, but I don't think women can point out a damn thing.
	Women are not better.
	Why are fertility rates going down in men?
	And by 2070, I think the world's microplastics.
	No, not as much as men.
	Oh, no, just as much.
	In fact, let's take a look.
	Lol Palmer.
	22 cents.
	Disagree with Andrew about men being better at everything.
	Women are better narcissists than men.
	Women are better emotional manipulators than men.
	Women are better liars than men.
	Women are better.
	Well, listen, I'm just going to point this out, Lol Paladins, very quickly, and you're going to send another super chat agreeing with me.
	With training, men would even be better at all of those things.
	So anyway, back to this.
	Thank you, Lol Paladin.
	Right.
	Back to this and these ideas.
	You were saying, sorry.
	Just saying how fertility rates in men are going down.
	Yeah, they're going down to women too.
	You know why?
	Because women are getting married at 31, 32.
	Due to like the food, chemicals.
	Nope.
	It's just because you're getting married at 31, 32.
	Okay, we can't say it's just because of that.
	Come on.
	Microplastics are definitely proven to be a problem.
	Sure, but I'm okay.
	Yeah.
	Sure.
	Everything's a fucking correlate.
	The oxygen and the plant, the oxygen in the air, that's a correlate somehow.
	I'm sure.
	But you have strong correlates, you have weak correlates.
	So let me just give you the strongest correlate.
	At 32 years old, you've left behind most of your childbearing years.
	Yeah?
	Yeah.
	You're 35, yeah.
	Noel, 32.
	32.
	Yeah, your most fertile years, what, 18, 19 through about 20, 27, 28?
	They're all gone.
	Behind you, right?
	So they have one, two kids.
	That's about it.
	So that's, I mean, to say that female fertility is not drastically decreasing is absurd.
	It's not because it needs to.
	Well, a lot of women don't want to have kids.
	Yeah.
	Like nowadays, too.
	Yeah, so that would be a great reduction in fertility, right?
	Yeah, but I mean, more men are becoming actually infertile, even if they want to have kids.
	Sure.
	Well, first of all, there's not that many men who are infertile.
	That's one.
	But two, even if that were the case.
	Why are you saying it like that?
	Infertile.
	Infertile.
	Even if that were the case, infertile.
	Even if it were the case that women were just choosing it, that's still infertility.
	It's just by choice.
	It's just by choice.
	So it's like, who cares if you're fertile if you're not breeding?
	It doesn't, it makes no sense.
	Who cares?
	Okay, hot take here, but I think men are more nurturing in relationships too.
	I do think so.
	We have so much freedom to be as bitchy as we want to our partners, but like some of you.
	And, well, for some reason, Andrew.
	Some of you do.
	For some reason, I think you probably grant your wife a decent amount of rope to be kind of bitchy to you.
	Something just tells me.
	You would think incorrectly.
	Maybe.
	But, okay, but from like literally, not only just my experiences, but observing relationships with other people, like, you know, we do have more leeway to be kind of shitty.
	Like we can do the stonewalling.
	We can do the, you know, we can blow up and like, oh, you know, we have more excuses as to, and, you know, like, we have periods, whatever, whatever.
	It's more socially acceptable for us to be abusive in various ways to men than it is for them to be to us.
	And I can tell you, I've left all my relationships.
	Like, this is something that I've reflected on and noticed in myself that I tend to be more flighty and like the men tend to be more steadfast.
	So I do, I actually do agree that men are more nurturing.
	Yeah, in a lot of ways.
	I got a question.
	Not just to agree with you, because I will argue with you, but wait, we can't argue with the truth.
	Yeah.
	Wait, just going around the table, this is kind of somewhat related, but kind of random.
	Are you pro-choice or pro-life?
	I'm pro-choice.
	Pro-choice.
	Pro-choice.
	Pro-life.
	Life.
	So, wait.
	Pro-choice, pro-choice, pro-choice, life, life-life.
	Wait, you three?
	Weren't you guys the most strongly arguing that women are better nurturers?
	Yes.
	No, no.
	I agreed that they're.
	She wasn't.
	Yeah.
	Well, that's a whole different argument to me.
	Like, I don't think that.
	But you don't think it's murder, right?
	No.
	Okay.
	But how can you debate that?
	Okay, so like just to play devil's advocate here, we can't say that that's not a good example because we don't know what men would do in that scenario because we don't have stats on it because it's not possible.
	Yeah, well, actually, we do.
	Yeah, well, I mean, we can at least infer.
	Okay.
	So here's how we can infer.
	Because men vote against it and women vote for it.
	But men are often pushing for it.
	So like what they vote for may not be the same as what they're doing in their real lives.
	Some men push for it.
	I mean, some men push for these things.
	I concede that that is true, but collectively they vote against it.
	So, if collectively they're voting against it, we should be able to kind of infer from that that they likely would not be doing it.
	But once again, they don't know what it's like to be pregnant.
	So, the fact that they vote against it doesn't say much.
	Glocktavius donated $200.
	Chat, would you rather get a massage from a gay man or surgery from a female doctor?
	Serious surgery.
	So, basically, would you rather get a massage or die?
	Andrew, do you want to answer this one?
	I'm getting the surgery.
	Are you okay?
	Are you doing okay?
	Are you okay?
	Oh, my God.
	Are you sure?
	Because usually people who ask if you're okay aren't okay.
	Oh, okay.
	I think that's true.
	Actually, I love the reference.
	No, that's true because, like, because a lot of wait, wait, did you see the Kamala tweet about asking if Trump was okay?
	Okay, okay.
	Thank you.
	Thank you for that.
	Thank you for that reference.
	Wait, what did she take?
	Take that pro-abortion lunatic.
	He just made a reference to a tweet that Kamal Harris made earlier talking about Trump.
	She was being snarky or her HQ is being snarky, saying, Are you okay?
	Is he okay?
	Oh, man.
	Meanwhile, he's the only one who's talking about economic feelings.
	Like, most psychiatrists and stuff are like deeply screwed up.
	Yes.
	Yes, they are.
	So they want to help other people because they get it.
	Fair.
	And they don't because they're crazy.
	But anyway.
	Yeah, so back to this.
	You were asking about Pro True.
	I don't know where you're going with that.
	Well, it's like this whole thing of women are more nurturing, but it's like if abortion is murder, y'all be killing your baby.
	Well, yeah, but we don't think it's murder.
	That's the whole point.
	And if men had to get pregnant, maybe they would vote a little bit differently.
	Well, yeah, I mean, the reality is that men can't get pregnant.
	Exactly, so it's not a good argument.
	It is a good argument.
	It's a good argument.
	I'm curious, though.
	Actually, maybe we'll, I don't really want to have an abortion convo, but perhaps later on in the show.
	Where did this all stem from?
	I feel like you did your disagreement about.
	She asked him if he could say what he likes about women.
	And he was like, there's one thing that they can do better than us.
	And that's why.
	And I still never got an actual argument at all for how that wasn't true.
	Just pointing that out.
	Well, I think also our society today oppresses women's natural tendencies towards nurturing and caretaking.
	I do think it's something that's not celebrated as much.
	And it's women are encouraged to be.
	Is there anything else we can celebrate women for?
	No, but I think that women are encouraged to be more, you know, like girl bosses.
	It's so fucking insufferable.
	It's just so insufferable.
	Can we celebrate war bullshit?
	No, I don't mean by, I don't mean celebrate, but I mean it's not encouraged.
	I agree with you.
	Yeah, I agree with that.
	I agree that women are being pushed into.
	I mean, I grew up in Los Angeles and I grew up, you know, kind of, I'm 30 now, but around the time that I was in high school and college, I was all my teachers were kind of trying to, you know, discourage, you know, young motherhood and talking about, you know, you know, higher education and going into fields that were like girl boss.
	And it's just not something that, you know, women were not being taught, you know, how to be mothers and how to be caretakers as much as we were in the past.
	That was something that was taught often in the 1950s and 40s.
	And it's true.
	So it's definitely hard to be more nurturing in today's society.
	Glock to challenge $200.
	Ladies, would you date Brian?
	On one hand, he is tall, six foot one, blue eyes, rich, sometimes funny, successful, but he has a dead bod.
	Probably autistic, has a weird liking for big labyrinthies and a small pee-pee.
	First off, that last part's not true.
	It's average.
	It's average, first off.
	You guys don't have to answer this shit.
	Let us scare.
	All right, go ahead.
	Go ahead.
	Probably.
	Yeah, probably.
	I don't know.
	If you tried to dominate me too much, like the not.
	Because you said something about bowing.
	I'm not doing that shit.
	That's fucking crazy.
	But other than that, though.
	We'll do the bow video.
	I would say yeah, probably.
	Okay.
	No.
	No.
	Unsure.
	I played the fifth.
	Oh, my gosh.
	I'm married so much.
	I'm married soon.
	All right.
	thank you how you gonna bro come on Come on.
	Let's get the views.
	All right.
	Got booped.
	This is a great conversation, but why is it when it's poo-poo time, it's PP time, but when it's PP time, it isn't always poo-poo time.
	Hey, you were here on Sunday, right?
	You were here on Sunday.
	Thank you, man.
	Appreciate the tip.
	Thank you, man.
	We had Lol Paladins already come through, and then we have a message from Got Booped Again.
	He says, is somebody like shaking the table with their leg?
	Can somebody stop?
	Who runs the world's markets with finance?
	You think women are better?
	Why aren't they running the stock market?
	Okay.
	I don't know.
	Because men are better at finance.
	Well, women aren't as interested in it.
	Okay.
	All right, got booped.
	Thank you.
	And then we have Lol Paladins.
	You're right.
	With training, men would be better manipulators, but women do it via genetic programming like Bane versus Batman.
	Men would merely be adopting the darkness.
	Women are born holded by it.
	We need Andrew here so he can do the Bane voice.
	Here, Lol Paladins.
	I'll pull it back up.
	I'll pull it back up once we get to that.
	Let's pull up Twitch.
	Guys, go to twitch.tv slash whatever.
	Drop us a follow in the Prime sub.
	That's twitch.tv slash whatever.
	Drop us a follow in the Prime sub.
	Guys, if you can get, can we get to 92,400 followers for today's show?
	If we can, that's our milestone goal for Twitch.
	And then like the video, guys.
	And then also, just a reminder, read is 100.
	TTS is 200.
	If you guys want to get something in, we've got the legal defense fund that we're building for.
	So let's see.
	I guess continuing on, or did you have another disagreement with anything?
	You?
	No.
	Any dating topics you want to speak on?
	No.
	Okay.
	Any disagreements from you?
	On anything?
	I guess like a dating topic would be like a lot of things wrong with modern relationships is just a lack of putting God first.
	Okay.
	So that's dating topic.
	Nothing for disagreements, though?
	Not necessarily.
	Okay.
	Toria, anything for you?
	Overall communication issues that the nuclear family has obviously been destroyed, but also communication as a whole.
	Okay.
	Anything for you?
	Disagreements.
	I disagree with the term trad wife.
	I want to say I just kind of reject that in general.
	I think it's not an aesthetic.
	I think it's become kind of like a fun term to use, but I don't think it necessarily the things.
	I think that the aesthetic is not what a trad wife is, and I just reject the idea altogether.
	Okay.
	And then dating things you want to speak on?
	Not yet.
	Okay.
	I have all your pre-show notes too.
	We'll get into that.
	So, okay, you disagree with the tr you don't think the trad wife exists?
	No, I think the term is trendy as a.
	I think that it's trendy to describe someone as a trad wife who, you know, likes to dress in 1950s attire and films themselves cooking, but it doesn't have really anything to do with what a traditional wife is.
	And I think a lot of the people who claim to be trad wives or they want to be trad wives aren't necessarily doing traditional things.
	So okay.
	All right.
	My hot take.
	Sure.
	So let's get into the pre-show notes then.
	Or actually, you know what?
	Before we do that, Stiffler's been dying to come in.
	Ask everyone to rate their looks on a scale of one to ten, starting with you.
	Go ahead.
	I think over on like a seven.
	Okay.
	I'll give myself a 7.5.
	7.8.
	I'm not rating myself.
	I'll give you a $2 bill.
	You know how much that's worth.
	You know how much this is worth?
	What's hell out?
	How much?
	More than $2.
	Have you ever had a $2 bill?
	You can just get them paid for.
	Have you ever had a $2 bill?
	It's crisp, too.
	It's like fresh.
	It's a fresh one.
	Yeah, crisp.
	Look at this bank.
	Look at that.
	Look how good it looks right next to you.
	It could be yours.
	I can't be bought, sir.
	But thank you for the offer.
	It's, you know?
	I'll take the $2 bill and rate myself.
	No.
	I rate myself, okay?
	What about you?
	$10 for my husband.
	$10 from your husband.
	Yeah.
	Wait, you don't want to rate yours?
	Come on.
	Come on.
	I tend to rate myself more on the intelligence scale.
	I don't really view myself like that.
	So on intelligence, intelligence scale, a 10.
	Okay.
	And then what about the looks one?
	Yeah, I snuck that in.
	I'll not participate.
	I snuck it in.
	You can't buy me with a $2 bill.
	Wait, can I ask you one question?
	We can do a $3 bill.
	Is it because you think you're a 10, but you don't want to say you're a 10?
	Or is that it?
	I think that a scale is subjective based on each person's idea of what you're doing.
	So your subjective metric, what it would be.
	I mean, I'm fearfully and wonderfully made.
	So in God's eyes, I'm a 10.
	But I'm not going to.
	In God's eyes, everyone.
	I'm not going to rate myself based on some semantic scale that differentiates between people.
	Well, it's not, it's not really a semantic scale.
	It's just, it's just a subjective scale based on, okay, let's phrase it this way.
	Okay, let's try it a different way.
	Because your intelligence is a 10, so you'll get this quick.
	Let's say you had 100 men, and all of them were given a 1 to 10 chart, and they had to come by and rate you.
	What do you think the average would be?
	I don't need to give my answer.
	You don't.
	Well, you don't.
	You don't need to, but we're wondering what it would be.
	Like, if you had a guess.
	I'm definitely.
	I'm definitely an eight or above.
	You think that they would scale you at an eight or above?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Oh, I'm sorry, Morgan?
	Morgan?
	Morgan?
	Seven?
	Wait, you said ten.
	Your husband.
	Well, what's your own self-rating?
	Because four.
	Four.
	Girl bye.
	No ma'am.
	No, ma'am.
	Not at all.
	Don't even say that.
	Don't even say that.
	Why?
	Humble.
	You can be humble and recognize your cheekbones and your jawline, right?
	And your blue eyes.
	I don't know.
	I don't, I don't.
	You don't think you're pretty?
	No, I think I'm pretty.
	So then why wouldn't you rate yourself above average?
	Eight.
	There we go.
	There we go.
	Morgan.
	Peer pressure.
	Oh, sorry.
	Andrew.
	I'm a 10 for sure.
	Oh, okay.
	Yeah, yeah.
	I give myself a five.
	Five?
	Yeah, five.
	Thank you.
	Oh, and then going around the table.
	Do you think you'll be better looking in 10 years' time?
	Go ahead.
	No.
	Okay.
	And then you're 28 now.
	Were you better looking at 10 years ago at 18?
	No.
	I actually look better now.
	But I don't think it's going to keep going that way.
	Yeah, yeah, really.
	Can we?
	Awesome, maybe scroll down on the IG.
	Okay.
	No, I don't.
	You are 21.
	Will you be better looking in 10 years' time at 31?
	No.
	You're 24.
	Will you be better looking in 10 years' time at 34?
	No idea if I'll even be here.
	But assuming you were here, maybe, maybe not.
	Wait, do you have terminal cancer or what?
	No.
	You mean in the podcast studio?
	You won't be here in 10 years?
	I plan to sit here for 10 years.
	This podcast probably won't be here in 10 years' time either, but canceled by the woke overlords at YouTube.
	But when I'm 34, probably not.
	I don't know.
	Wait, you probably won't be alive at 34?
	I don't know if I'll be better looking at 34.
	Oh.
	Yeah.
	I don't know if I'll be alive.
	Did you say I won't be here?
	Yeah, I don't know if I'll be here.
	None of us know.
	None of us know.
	Wait, so if somebody asks you a hypothetical question, that's very dark.
	Oh, hypothetical in one year's time, and your response would just be, well, I could be hit by a train tomorrow.
	So I just can't answer the question.
	Yeah.
	I can't answer the hypothetical.
	What about, like, what are you doing this week?
	No wonder you're between jobs because you go in and you're like, they're like, okay, so how long do you plan on staying here?
	Like, well, I don't know.
	I mean, tomorrow my car could die.
	I could die.
	I mean, there's no way for me to really give you a commitment to this job, right?
	You're going to be here.
	We have, do we have the Instagram?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, we'll pull it up.
	All right, so this is you 10 years ago.
	Okay, but those are like not good examples.
	Click on that one where she's hiding behind the tree.
	Okay, show one with my team.
	It's 2014.
	So this was 11 years ago.
	Right, but that's not how I look usually.
	Like scrolling up.
	Okay, exalt.
	I don't ever wear makeup.
	Scroll up a little bit.
	Scroll up a little bit.
	There you go.
	Very good.
	Look at that shit.
	Wait.
	Up a little bit.
	My teeth were all messed up.
	Click on the one above that one.
	I mean.
	They're like blurry.
	You have to go back a little bit.
	Cameras have improved a lot in 10 years.
	I mean, you look.
	It's you.
	Yeah, you got to be.
	I got my teeth shoes exactly.
	I started taking care of my skin better.
	Like, I don't think black and mild all the time now.
	Yeah.
	I feel like you like it.
	I think you were better looking.
	I don't.
	No.
	I think you were.
	You were better looking.
	Wait, what do you think is better looking about her back then?
	She looks younger.
	In what way?
	Like, I think she looks the same, to be honest.
	She looks very similar.
	No, your cheeks are popping out more now.
	Yeah, they are.
	And I got my cheeks.
	I don't think that's good.
	Is that like a woman thing?
	Is that like a woman thing?
	Like the cheeks thing?
	Yeah.
	But you guys do realize that menu.
	I've gotten complimented on by men more about the cheekbones.
	Yeah.
	You do realize that like sharp features on a woman.
	Seems like I'm a tranny.
	Yeah.
	No, that's not what I'm talking about at all.
	Whoa.
	No, because that's a thing that they say now.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	They're not sharp.
	It's like a whole bunch.
	They're just more defined.
	Yeah, but okay, so this idea that men like really like chiseled faces in women, men will have men will accept more rounded, soft features, and you'll be attractive.
	And also sharp features can also still be attractive.
	But this idea that, oh, I had a little baby fat or my face was a bit round, it's like men are attracted to that.
	That's what I'm saying.
	But, okay, objectively, if you look at the hottest celebrities, what most people are drawn to, right?
	The Angeline and Jolie's, the Megan Foxes, they have more sharp features.
	But that's beside the point.
	I didn't say that.
	I just know that my teeth are better now.
	My skin is clearer now.
	Well, maybe not right now because I just quit smoking-ish.
	So I'm like purging, but typically.
	Also, I'm like in way better shape despite having had kids now.
	And I have boobs now.
	I didn't have them before kids.
	So, I mean, I do just didn't generally, but y'all aren't really looking at it on the picture.
	I'll send y'all some.
	Okay.
	All right.
	What about you?
	You are 35, better looking in 10 years' time?
	No, probably not, or the same.
	Okay, and you're 35.
	Were you better looking at 25?
	No, actually.
	So you're better looking now at 35.
	Okay.
	All right.
	And then, Toria, you're 31.
	Better looking in 10 years' time?
	Well, I'm better looking now than I was 10 years ago.
	Okay.
	And I age like fine one, so I'm going to say I look better.
	Wait, so I will look better in another 10 years.
	Okay, so better looking at 41 versus now at 31, and you're better looking now at 31 than you were at 21.
	What about 20 years' time?
	So 51 versus now?
	Well, depending on how, you know, good the plastic surgery gets and how better our food supply is after our Albert F. Kennedy revises our terrible FDA, hopefully abolishes the FDA.
	Yeah, I might look better.
	I don't know.
	Relatively speaking for a, what, the 51-year-old, yeah, I might look better than most 51-year-olds now.
	And then 30 years' time, so 61 versus 31.
	Same thing.
	You got to see what happens with all this on bioengineering.
	40 years' time?
	That's 71.
	Again, I'm speaking relatively to the age group that we're talking about versus now.
	Yes.
	I still think I'll look better at that age than the people that are in the world.
	I see what you're saying.
	Okay, yeah, yeah.
	So would you look better to men who are in your current age bracket when you're 90?
	No.
	Okay, what about when you're 80?
	No, obviously.
	70.
	No.
	Okay, 50.
	I know some pretty good looking people in that age range.
	I'm not saying this is not good looking 50-year-olds.
	Of course, there are.
	I'm talking all relatives.
	So, no, obviously, you're younger now.
	Okay.
	What about 40?
	You're saying men my age now.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Well, there's a lot of younger guys going for older women.
	While they're going to have sex with them, they're not going to marry him.
	So maybe you've got to be able to.
	I've seen some interesting cases, but I mean, yes.
	Obviously, biologically speaking, you look better now.
	Are y'all trying to hurt our feelings?
	Oh, he's not hurting.
	He's not hurting my feelings at all.
	And you're 30?
	Do you think you'll be better looking in 10 years' time at 40?
	By what I deem attractive, yes, but probably not to my husband, maybe.
	Okay, and then 20 years' time at 50?
	No.
	And then you're 30 now.
	Are you better looking now at 30 than you were at 20?
	Yeah, I'm someone who stores baby fat in my cheeks, and I just personally don't like that look.
	So I think I look better now.
	Can we pull up everybody else's throwbacks, man?
	Why do you do that to me?
	Do we have any of the things from the Discord?
	Because you're being quarrelsome, so we want to pick on you as age.
	I drink him being docile.
	Jock joking, Joe.
	I'm assuming they were able to do some of them.
	So the Discord has none yet.
	Anybody in the Discord, if you guys can age everybody forward, let's see how they all look when they're old and wrinkly and decrepit.
	Decrepit.
	Decrepit.
	This is giving me such bad anxiety.
	Ancient.
	Let's see.
	Let's get into the pre-show notes here.
	So we have let's see.
	Oh, we have a dating app review too.
	Why don't we do, and they're all clean?
	Yeah.
	Except it's more than questionable, so I did not even show it.
	Is it a photo or prompt?
	It's a photo.
	From who?
	And what is it?
	Is there nudity or she's holding her goose?
	It's a photo, you said, right?
	Oh, yeah, just X out of it.
	We're not going to show that one.
	Okay.
	Why don't we do the dating app review?
	Oh, let's wait until she's not at the table.
	So every time.
	What do you mean?
	This is like every time you bring up one of these, the woman is somehow missing from the table right there.
	Yeah, every time.
	We have some from Melissa, right?
	Oh, God.
	All right.
	Can you read the profile?
	This is your based.
	God.
	I value intellect above all.
	I typically will not engage in small talk, but if you want to talk space travel, psychology, philosophy, et cetera, I'll probably bite.
	My type is nerds or homesteaders.
	My love language is acts of service.
	So if you're lazy or don't have your shit together, we won't vibe.
	Don't let my looks confuse you.
	I do not do hookup culture, and I for sure have a touch of the tism.
	LMAO, my insta is something like Clementine.
	Message me there because I don't check this.
	Okay, and do you have a touch of the tism?
	And you don't do.
	When you say you don't do hookup culture, what does that mean?
	Yeah, so I'm not just like trying to sleep with a bunch of randoms.
	Like I'm looking for a real relationship that becomes marriage and more babies, hopefully.
	So like I kind of vet people pretty harshly.
	Okay.
	Not too harsh.
	When you say you vet people harshly, what do you mean?
	Like there's, you know, like you.
	I'll get the ick very quickly.
	Not the ick.
	Yeah, the ick.
	Like there's been guys that I liked, but they were super lazy, or they don't clean up after themselves, or, you know, just they're not intelligent.
	I'm not picky about, because I see you guys debate things like someone's looks.
	I don't care how tall you are, or you don't have to make like a shit ton of money.
	But for me, it's more like just being an organized and rational human who I think could probably survive the apocalypse with me.
	But if he was organized and rational, wouldn't his best chance of surviving the apocalypse to be not with you?
	Well, sure, because I have dependents, so that is definitely going to be a lot of people.
	So then how could he be rational?
	Well, he has a kid.
	If he's going to survive the apocalypse with you, but he might have kids with anybody else.
	But, I mean, and also, I don't like, so I objectively do not care.
	If a guy is not interested in a woman who has kids, I think that's fair.
	Yeah.
	Like, I really do.
	That doesn't hurt my ego.
	I don't, good, we don't align.
	Yeah.
	But yeah.
	But so you don't hook up or you don't engage in hookup culture, but you used to.
	Not really, no.
	Like, I've had a series of pretty, like, semi-long relationships with, like, few dating situations that didn't work out in between, but never just, like, a casual sex with no aim of dating.
	And we have more from her, right?
	I'll read.
	Okay.
	Can you read the prompt?
	Three TV shows I love.
	On The Office, Black Mirror, The Magicians.
	My personality type is I-N-T-P.
	My favorite book is Cosmos by Carl Sagan.
	And that's it.
	That's what it says.
	Next.
	Next.
	Okay, next.
	Next.
	Are there more prompts, or is this pretty much it?
	Is there another photo?
	There's just one more photo.
	Okay.
	Show it.
	Yeah.
	That's how it just passed the last time.
	Don't worry.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Okay.
	That was your dating profile.
	What?
	I'm not impressed by your performance.
	All right.
	Who we got next?
	Who got next?
	I put my dating profile.
	Yep.
	The way they win me over is showing me your letter boxed.
	That's a movie writing site.
	Yes.
	All right.
	I'll have you read the prompts next.
	My therapist would say I need to work on my daddy issues.
	Okay.
	So not only do you have daddy issues, but you also see a therapist.
	Yes.
	How many different therapists have you had?
	Two.
	I had one when I was actually just started seeing a therapist recently.
	What is daddy issues?
	What does that mean?
	Oh, well, that's like a whole can of worms.
	I don't have a dad.
	Okay.
	I never had a dad.
	So, yeah.
	Next.
	That's the wrong one.
	Wait, I didn't send you another one.
	Yeah.
	You can't show it.
	There were no other prompts?
	I think there was.
	Oh, oh, yeah.
	I think there was, but it might not have sent.
	Because I think...
	Oh, my God.
	Yeah, I see.
	Yeah, I see the one.
	Yeah.
	It's just, yeah, it's okay.
	We don't have to show that one.
	And then we have one from her.
	Yeah.
	We'll instantly hit it off.
	You try to live biblically.
	You strive to be better every day.
	You like conspiracies.
	Okay, next.
	Can you read this for us?
	I wish more people knew that there are still a few real men and women left in the world.
	Men who want to provide, protect, and adore their women, and women who want to nurture, respect, and please their men.
	And then my Instagram's EatMeetQueen.
	All right.
	I'm looking for monogamy, dating to marry, dating to marry.
	Okay.
	next next next we're the same type of weird if you eat lots of beef You're not political because you know it's all a show.
	If you remain poke-free from the recent scandemic, if you want someone to grow with and be a power couple.
	All right, next.
	I go crazy for strong men physically, mentally, and spiritually.
	Meat lovers and fluoride avoiders.
	Men without pronouns in their profile, men who can lead in every part of life, and men who try to live biblically.
	Okay.
	I think that's it, right?
	Yeah.
	Or is there another one?
	No, I think that's it, right?
	Okay, yeah, that's fine.
	All right, those are all the dating apps.
	Chat, do you swipe yes or do you swipe no, or do you swipe no or do you swipe yes?
	Thank you, guys.
	Let's see.
	We have more pre-show notes here.
	We did the dating app review.
	We had oh, we gotta respond.
	I'll have to do that next week.
	Okay.
	That is not true.
	I didn't even know that was a thing, actually.
	But I've gotten a few messages about it.
	Yeah.
	But it's not true.
	You said you've dated a lot of your bosses and had secret relationships with them for a time until it was uncovered.
	It was a pattern of yours for a while.
	So like when you're working at the strip club, did you know?
	Okay.
	When I was a correctional officer, I did.
	And like restaurant jobs.
	But you worked in a prison?
	I worked at a correctional officer at the same time that I was a dancer.
	Wait, you were a stripper?
	Yes.
	A stripper CEO?
	Yes.
	A CO?
	is that aren't there some like there there's a conflict of interest Yeah, so at some point they gave, Aren't there some like like police officers have to conduct themselves in a matter becoming of the office, or I don't know the exact terminology.
	But yeah, so I didn't like go put on my job application that I was a dancer in a, because so where I worked was two hours away.
	And actually how I learned about the job is because there was these two lesbians that would come in the strip club and they were like you should come work with us and I was like okay, so I did and the benefits were great, but the pay was only $12.99 an hour, so I just supplemented on like weekends at the strip club.
	Yeah, I'm gonna read this from La Paladins, to tell if a woman is going to hook up is if she explicitly tells you we are not hooking up when she comes over to your house.
	If she wasn't thinking about it, she wouldn't bring it up.
	P.S. Bane, please.
	That's right.
	Thank you for the reminder, La Paladin.
	So Andrew, while you were gone, La Paladin sent in a message.
	He wants you to read this.
	Do you know?
	Bane from Batman?
	Yeah, can you do it in a Bane voice?
	The Bane voice?
	I'll try.
	Okay, here we go.
	Right, Batman with, I can't do it.
	No, do it.
	Just do it dude, I can't wait here.
	How about just this with training men would better manipulators, but women do it via genetic programming.
	Like Bane versus Batman.
	What if I?
	What if I did it in the Palpatine voice?
	Because ask him if we could do it in the Palpatine.
	Wait.
	Just the end part, just that that last, starting at like Bane versus Batman.
	After that, like Bane versus Batman, a man wouldn't merely be adopting the darkness, women are born to it, they're motivated by it.
	Why does that sound?
	Kind of like Jordan Peterson.
	He sounds like Kermit the Frog.
	He sounds like Kermit the Frog.
	No, he kind of sounds like Winnie The Poo.
	Today we're going to talk about philosophy.
	That's a terrible bad, so bad.
	I thought it was pretty good.
	Uh, the frog is what he sounds like.
	You uh want to go over the body count thing we debated last time.
	Uh, you made a poll on your instagram so it uh would be dope to go over that.
	You agree, body count matters you were playing devil's advocate last time but I do think it's not the deal breaker you guys think it is, or that some guys even claim it is.
	My poll reflects that.
	So what was the finding in your poll?
	So I made a instagram poll and asked their age religion, political background whatever, to account for all the variables.
	Sure, and like 95 percent probably said they don't care.
	It's not a deal breaker.
	You have to go check it out.
	It's a highlight on my Insta.
	This is a, you should pull it up because I'd like to see how it's phrased.
	I said, without adding commentary, age, just answer these questions: age, religion, whatever, is body count a deal breaker if you're otherwise compatible, which is what we discussed last time.
	If you're otherwise, oh, okay, so everything is good, except you fucked a thousand guys.
	Yeah, okay.
	So, and they and they said that that's not a deal breaker.
	Very few people cared.
	Y'all should pull it up.
	So, and that's what I was arguing last time.
	And I think it should be actually for multiple reasons.
	And I can go over them all if you want.
	So, you think that we should raise awareness that you should be asking women their body counts more?
	I don't think there's a reason, I don't think it's negative in any way, too.
	Yeah.
	So, then I agree with you that there are far too many men who are willing to accept women with really high body counts.
	It's absolutely revolting to me, some of the numbers that I've heard from women where I'm just like, I don't even know how you, I don't even know how you get out of bed.
	Well, actually, we were just talking about this.
	I'm like, how that because last time I was on here, I think the comedian chick said like 300 or something.
	I was like, How?
	Because she walks around with a mattress strapped to her back.
	Like, literally, what are you doing?
	But I think it's the same for men because the physiological effects are the same.
	You're still more likely to have STDs.
	You're still down-regulating your dopamine with the oxytocin receptors.
	It is true.
	The STD thing, it's not true.
	Because men can't get HPV?
	No, women are more susceptible to STDs just for anatomical reasons.
	But on top of that, there is another differential here with gay.
	I mean, stop.
	You gotta let me keep fucking interrupting.
	Okay, sorry.
	Okay, so in addition to anatomical reasons, women will tend to gravitate towards high-status men.
	So, women are more likely to end up sharing men.
	Okay.
	No argument there.
	Yeah.
	So, if all the girls are trying to fuck Kanye or Chris Brown, who fucked thousands of women, and women are attracted to men of status and all this sort of stuff, the men that women tend to pick when it comes to their promiscuity is they have access to those men.
	It's not a put-off for these women.
	Whereas, if a man was privy to the fact that the woman's fucked a thousand-plus men, no matter her status or her attractiveness level, it's more likely to be a put-off.
	Well, yeah, I'm not disagreeing on the fact that the majority of women will accept it more than men will.
	I'm saying it should be an issue for either sex because you could still get an STD.
	You could still have to deal with the other party's dependence.
	You could still have someone with an avoidant attachment style who can't form proper connections because their hormones and neuro receptors are just totally screwed.
	So, I think it should be concerning to either partner, but I'm not saying that it is as much for women as it is men.
	I think you're right about that.
	I think that's silly of women, but it's a thing, yeah.
	Okay, so your position is what you think it's silly of women, yes.
	So, I wonder, how does a woman determine a man has status?
	Most women probably go for his money, his fame, all the things that he mentioned.
	And also, what is considered status for men is beautiful women, right?
	Sure.
	So, the more beautiful women that a woman has banged, it seems obvious to me that if women are going for men of status, that if beautiful women were not going for those men, they would think there was something wrong with them.
	Yeah, but I think that's silly, and that might be like my touch of the tism where I don't care about like social norms.
	But like, I think what we should value is a man's integrity, his character, his ability to be a good partner for you, not the fact that he's banged a bunch of hot chicks.
	But yeah, yeah, yeah.
	So, but let's separate these two concepts: the descriptive from the prescriptive, right?
	So, I agree with you that people should base things around virtue, right?
	I agree with that, but they don't.
	So, descriptively, they don't.
	Doesn't it track that women, if they were looking for men of status, would be looking at men who banged a lot of women?
	Well, yeah, yeah, I'm not sure.
	Because that would show, that would prove that women desire him.
	That's part of their status, right?
	Right, but that's why I said I think it's silly.
	Like, I'm not sure.
	But is it silly?
	Because, in reverse, that is not the case.
	It does the exact opposite for women, where men go, oh, well, your status is fucking garbage, right?
	Because you've slept with a lot of men.
	So, I'm not sure.
	I just think it should be the same.
	Well, I don't think it is.
	I love the idea of both parties moving and gravitating towards each other based on virtues, right?
	I think that that's great.
	But that is not the case.
	Well, yeah, I'm not arguing that it's not.
	So, I mean, prescriptively, I would agree with you that they should move towards virtues, but they don't.
	And so, if they don't, right, then how can you give the advice to men, for instance, not to do this thing?
	How can you give them the advice to not do this thing if women will reject them if they don't do the thing?
	That's my whole, that's my whole thing.
	That's what I'm wondering.
	We shouldn't, well, I guess it's well, you're religious, right?
	You shouldn't base it off of religion.
	Give me a secular argument.
	Well, you should base it off of like what the Bible tells you to look for in a partner.
	That's a religious argument.
	Right, that's what I was saying.
	Give me a secular argument, non-religious.
	You should care about your sexual health, you should care about your mental health, like all of the things that you're talking about.
	Those don't seem to be things which are highly affected.
	I mean, I get what you're saying, but just know that there are women like me who don't find it attractive, who the slightest bit of competition turns me off.
	I don't want anything to do with it.
	You know, just wait for that person rather than all this other shit.
	If a guy is really high status, he doesn't give a shit about you.
	He's going to have tons of women who look like you.
	But we're talking about the average Joe, right?
	No.
	In fact, the opposite of that.
	We're talking about high-status men.
	So, Brian's argument.
	So, Brian's argument to you, not just Kanye, right?
	That's super ultra-high status, right?
	Brian's argument to you is he's saying, look, women seem to move towards men in a smaller group, right?
	So, this is why men end up with thousands of sex partners, some men, it's because they have access to them, right?
	They plainly have access to them.
	There's no disagreement there.
	But if it is true that it is looked at by women as being odd or weird that women won't go near a guy, right, because they also perceive that as social status, then how would you actually convince a man who wanted to attract really beautiful women to not have lots of sex with other beautiful women, knowing that that would be descriptively an attractive function for him?
	Because there's other attractive functions, and if you want to bang a bunch of beautiful women, then I wouldn't argue that at all, by all means.
	No, but it's actually going to lead to banging more beautiful women, right?
	Agreed.
	But are you looking for the one?
	So, like, are you looking to bang a bunch of beautiful women?
	Yeah, but I mean, what are you going to say to one of these kind of 10%ers or 20% men who are like, oh, gee, well, let's see.
	I could bang one chick forever, or I could bag tons of hot chicks, and the more hot chicks I bang, the more likely hot chicks are going to let me bang them.
	No, I definitely get that mentality.
	Yeah.
	So I'm just like.
	People want to live that way.
	That's what I'm saying.
	I've had a problem with arguing against this for a long time from a secular perspective.
	From a religious perspective, this is very clear.
	But from a non-religious perspective, how the hell are you going to convince men who are banging really, really attractive women?
	And the more attractive women they bang, seemingly the more attractive women they can bang, it seems to me like it's impossible to convince them otherwise.
	I mean, you can tell them other things, but it's probably not going to be as big of a deterrent as you would like it to be.
	But also, it's not my objective as a libertarian.
	I don't give a shit what anybody does.
	Like, do what you do.
	So that's, you know, you're a libertarian.
	That's the closest alignment that I can find.
	Really, I'm like a centrist, but.
	Too much Jordan Peterson.
	Too much Jordan Peterson.
	Maybe so.
	Maybe it's too much Alex Jones.
	Yeah, too much of him, too.
	Okay, so yeah, I guess that's the only place we could really go with it then.
	You said you also disagree with Andrew on the level of submission a woman should have to her husband.
	I don't know if we kind of already covered that or if you wanted to.
	No, we pretty much cleared it up.
	Did we?
	Yeah.
	Because he's saying that there is conversations just at the very end.
	Like if let's say you have a budget of $2,000 this month and your wife is like, but I want this purse.
	And you're like, well, sorry for your luck.
	I make the money.
	That's it.
	Like, okay, fair.
	But it was just based off of one clip that I got the impression that like, I don't, because in this clip, you said something to the effect of like, if I don't want to talk about it, I don't give a shit.
	And I think you should view your partner respectfully enough to always include them.
	Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on.
	Damien, just don't even touch the keys, please.
	Okay.
	Go ahead.
	So I kind of got the impression that maybe like you don't include her at all and are just kind of like, which I obviously know that it wouldn't be ever, but I kind of got the impression that maybe it's the majority of the case that you like don't have the discussion.
	And I think it's fine to have the ultimate say, but respect your partner enough to talk about it.
	But you clarified all that earlier.
	So that's.
	Well, now it's murky again, right?
	So let's move back.
	I don't actually have an objection to a man being an authoritarian tyrant from your perspective in his relationship.
	It's completely non-bothersome to me.
	I think it's fine.
	But you're a Christian.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Do you realize Christianity is a patristic faith?
	I understand that it says that the husband also has duties to his wife, too, like loving his wife, like Jesus loved the church.
	And I don't think Jesus is like, screwed up.
	I'm sorry, did Jesus have to justify anything to the church?
	No, but he talked to his disciples.
	Did he have to justify anything to him?
	No, but that's back to the last.
	So who's the leader?
	We don't disagree there.
	Okay, so if you're the leader and you say, well, you're leading me wrong, then who's the leader then?
	You?
	If you're a Christian, the leader should be God.
	So if your husband is not leading in a biblical way, you don't just submit to him and forego God.
	Right?
	Christ.
	Right.
	Head.
	The reflection in a marriage of the head is the husband.
	Right.
	So, the body is the woman, right?
	Sure, but if he's not leading in a biblical way.
	That's not what Paul says.
	Paul doesn't say if they're not leading.
	What Paul says specifically is, even if your husband's not leading in a biblical way, right, you should stay married to him anyway.
	Yeah, I don't know about all that.
	Well, that's what he says.
	But there's a lot of contradictions when it comes to this.
	Well, then, how could you tell people what they should do as Christians then if you believe it's contradictory?
	Contradictions toward all of the other disciples than any of them.
	There's no contradictions.
	You don't think?
	No.
	Okay.
	We should take all the things we're going to come back to.
	Yeah, every biblical contradiction can easily be reconciled.
	And most of it is because you don't have contextualization.
	You read the Bible like it's an Ikea manual.
	It's not, right?
	You have to.
	I don't read the Bible that way.
	Yeah, I mean, how else could you read it?
	You read it like it's a living word.
	Of everything.
	What does that mean?
	You're the interpreter, right?
	Yes.
	Okay, so how else would you read it other than an IKEA?
	We have to read it with historical context, who it's being spoken to.
	Okay.
	All of the things.
	Okay, so then you would agree that these contradictions that you state can be easily reconciled.
	I think usually, I'm not a biblical scholar, so I can't pretend that.
	But when it comes to Paul, yeah, Paul said stay married anyway, right?
	But here's why he said that.
	He said, because even if you're staying married to this person who's falling away, the chances that they find their way back is much higher.
	So here's the thing, right?
	But then like, what if they don't?
	Here's the idea.
	The idea, and I'll just give you the logical exercise, and you can see if you can correct it or hand it back to me.
	Okay.
	The idea is this: there can only be a leader, one leader.
	You agree, right?
	I think if you're both leaders, then neither are leaders.
	I think we can tag team on different topics, but I'll bite here.
	Yeah, so okay, if you're a four-star general, you're not in charge of another four-star general, but you're in charge of all three-star generals, right?
	Okay.
	You agree with that?
	Yeah.
	Okay, so there's one leader.
	And then here, there's one person who's following the leader, correct?
	You agree with that?
	Okay, so anytime the follower of the leader says, you aren't leading me right, so no, who's now in charge?
	Who's the leader now?
	Okay, so, but let's say, in one example, let's say the Christian husband suddenly becomes pagan and is like, we're not doing this anymore.
	We're not going to church.
	What did Paul say?
	Yeah.
	He said to stay married.
	You might stay married, but that doesn't mean that you have to follow the leadership in that regard.
	I think that, and this is explained very well in orthodoxy, and the reason I'm bringing up Paul is just because I think it's really funny to use that example against people who are naysayers.
	But it has to comport with reason.
	And so reason, your husband can't tell you to sin.
	He can't tell you to go do a gang day.
	He can't tell you to go blow.
	He can't tell you to go blow other men for his own personal immunity.
	He can't tell you to do any of that stuff.
	Okay.
	Great.
	What about if he just says, ah, shut up?
	I'm not going to justify anything to you.
	What's the sin?
	Oh, I'm not saying it's sinful.
	Well, then what's the problem?
	You just don't like it, right?
	That's the problem.
	He's not going to like me.
	Yeah, you don't like it.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	So the thing is, though, is like Siddhanta sin, you can't point to anything he's doing wrong, right?
	It's just you don't like it.
	And so when people say, well, that's not very Christian, when I point out, I'm going to give you the 2,000 years of history where it sure looked pretty Christian.
	I would just like to note, how is it not?
	I mean, I guess technically it could be, but I was speaking in the context of like your relationship dynamic.
	And what would my personal relationship dynamic?
	I'd rather too much, but that's where the initial thing came from because I heard you say that and I was like, ooh, are you really like, are you really doing it?
	Yeah, sometimes I'm an absolute tyrant.
	I'm like, I believe it.
	I go, I don't fucking care.
	Sometimes I don't care.
	And that's fine.
	I don't have to care.
	So the thing is, is, but I'm going to take this a step further and say that men who are running their marriage, right, if they are like, look, I really don't want to consult you about, I don't know, almost anything, I don't actually see a problem with that.
	Do you think that maybe that contributes to like divorce rates in the past?
	Well, first of all, I don't even think it happens that much.
	Just so you know.
	In fact, I'd say if it happened more, it would decrease divorce rates, probably.
	Well, if they were like, ah, if they just came in and gave a patronizing pat, we're like, oh, honey, shut the fuck up.
	It's under control, right?
	I think it would actually decrease divorces rather than coming in and being like, oh, oh, I have so much anxiety from work.
	Right?
	Just saying.
	I mean, I don't fully disagree there, actually.
	See?
	I think this brings up the cultural topic that's kind of rampant on TikTok right now, and it's that women don't want to have to make decisions.
	It's the idea of the passenger princess.
	Like, you want to be able to sit pretty and like let the man lead.
	So I think there's kind of merit to both of what you're saying.
	But I agree with you.
	I mean, I agree with that too.
	Yeah.
	The one person that I did go on dates with, it's because they were like, we're going to go shooting at this time.
	Make sure you wear clothes-toed shoes, whatever, whatever.
	And as a mom who also solely is the sole financial provider, you're right.
	I don't have to think.
	Tell me what we're doing, but do it nicely because I'm not going to deal with a constant asset.
	The tone.
	Oh, I can't take the tone.
	Oh, my God, the tone.
	I mean, I don't know.
	Terrible.
	I'll wake up in the middle of the night, though, and like smack you and be like, oh man, I had a dream you were cheating.
	It's like, oh, the tone's fine then, right?
	No, I don't do that shit.
	But do you think that's true?
	Oh, come on.
	You've never done that shit.
	No, but do you listen to Bill Burr?
	Because you kind of like, you seem like you listen to Bill Burr.
	I like some Bill Burr stuff.
	Yeah, okay.
	You just like go into like kind of you kind of sound like him sometimes.
	Well, I mean, great minds think alike.
	Agreed.
	I'm sorry that he stole tons of my comedy bits and has taken them on the road, but I'm not going to hold it against him.
	Okay, okay, fair.
	Right?
	Going to Yucca, is that how you say your name?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	You had perhaps a disagreement.
	You said that I think that if you are wanting a traditional relationship with someone who wants to live a biblical life, just because you have a dark past with a high body count, our Father has given us the gift of forgiveness.
	If you are living a new life.
	Is Desmond on the phone?
	Are you- what's- Huh?
	If you're living a new life and have been living.
	Austin, is he on a phone call right now?
	Are you on a phone call?
	No.
	All right.
	Now that you're here in street chatter.
	I don't.
	Didn't sound like street.
	Yeah.
	All right.
	If you're living a new life and have been living a new life for years, that's what should matter.
	So here, I'll start from the beginning.
	Just because you have a dark past with a high body count, our father has given us the gift of forgiveness.
	If you are living a new life and have been living a new life for years, that's what should matter.
	Nobody is perfect.
	Yeah, I think, you know, God gives us the opportunity to be born again and be new people.
	And, you know, if you've been living a new life, you know, you let your old self die, I think everybody should deserve, you know, another chance.
	Nobody's perfect.
	We all struggle with different things.
	And like I said, yeah, I just, I think we all have opportunity to let our old selves die and be a new person if we're living in Christ.
	Yeah, sure.
	I think that being forgiven for those things is not only appropriate, but what Christians are called to do, right?
	Is to ask for forgiveness for their sins, right?
	That's what they're supposed to do.
	But you wouldn't say a Christian's obligated to in any way date or not reject a woman based on body count, right?
	No, I'm not saying that.
	Yeah, so like if a guy was a Christian and he met with a Christian woman and he really liked her, he thought she was great, but found out that she had slept with 50 men and he was like, well, that's a deal breaker for me.
	You don't have an objection to that, right?
	No, not at all.
	Okay, so then in some ways, I think that this is just a cope position.
	And the reason I think it's a cope position is because what happens is many of these women go from literal online whoredom where they're like doing boy-girl content on OnlyFans, things like this.
	And they go, oh, well, shit, it's 30, time to get married.
	Drop out of that and then move over and say, now I'm a Christian.
	But then they get into the dating market as a Christian, and these men are like, well, I'm still not interested in you, even though I'm a Christian.
	Right?
	Aren't they still setting themselves up for massive failure here?
	Like, sure, God forgave you.
	Great.
	And I'm glad you're a Christian.
	I'm still not dating you, right?
	Isn't that what they're going to say?
	I mean, like, even with age, you know, that stuff makes you less optimal than dating.
	Like you were saying, you know, your childbearing years are when you're younger.
	So, you know, I'm not disagreeing with that at all.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	So, I mean, it just, I don't really understand what the point is then.
	Like, they understand, I mean, Christians understand the forgiveness aspect, right?
	Yeah, but not everybody has a perfect past.
	You know, a lot of people were grown, raised with traumatic life events where they didn't have both parents in the household.
	They didn't know, you know, what being loved by both parents was or, you know, grew up with a bad past.
	Yeah, I agree with all that.
	Yeah.
	But I'm not, yeah, I don't know.
	I get that.
	I think it's probably in reference to the episode that I was on where the girl like became a Christian and then Brian's like, kind of late now.
	I think that's probably less of like the Christian.
	I mean, it's probably.
	So if it came to this idea of sexual dynamics, then yeah, becoming a Christian is not going to erase your sexual history.
	Pretty much only Christians will be the ones if they have, if they hold that view, that would kind of like be forgiving of it.
	Oh, they'll forgive it.
	That doesn't mean that they're going to put a ring on it, though.
	Right.
	And they don't have to.
	So.
	So is that it?
	And that's your position?
	Yeah.
	So when you say forgiven, like, okay, so you can be forgiven through your faith or whatever, but you think it's like objectionable if men would refuse to date you because of your dark past of a high body count?
	I mean, I'm not saying it's objectionable.
	I just think that other people with similar pasts look at it like it's bad, like, oh, you can't do that, but I can do it.
	Kind of like thing.
	So why would that be a problem?
	It's giving, like, it's saying that women can't have a bad past, but the guy can have a bad past.
	Like, I don't think so.
	Yeah, well, I mean, it's just, it's, so this just comes down to preferences, right?
	So it's like this idea is, okay, let's, let us assume for a moment you have a man.
	He converts around the same time you do.
	Let's assume inside the hypothetical that both of you slept with a thousand people, okay?
	Not saying you have, of course not.
	I'm just saying in the hypothetical, we're just like assuming this, right?
	It doesn't even have to be you, just woman, man.
	Both of them slept with a thousand guy or people.
	They converted at the exact same time.
	They meet each other.
	They like each other.
	They both find out that the other one has slept with a thousand people.
	It's a deal-breaker for the guy, not for the girl.
	Says, well, wait a second.
	You slept with 1,002.
	He says, Yeah.
	But I don't care.
	I still don't want to date you based on the fact that you have.
	I don't, I still don't actually see a problem with that.
	Like, I can't figure out what the actual issue with that would be.
	I mean, yeah, I guess everybody has their own preferences, but yeah, I don't think it would be okay if both people have similar dark past and one person's like, no, I don't, it's okay that I did it, but it's not okay that you did it.
	Well, no, well, you're both starting from the same slate, though.
	So you both have been forgiven for the sins, right?
	So, and you're both pursuing Christianity, Christian ethics, right?
	Okay, so you're starting equal.
	So he just says, okay, based on your past, I'm not interested.
	Yeah, I don't agree with that.
	I don't think that's okay.
	Why is that okay?
	It's kind of hypocritical.
	Yeah, but so what?
	Why can't you be hypocritical in dating preferences?
	Because I think you shouldn't be sleeping.
	I definitely 100% think that if you've ever slept with a guy, right, that it would be a deal-breaker with you if a guy ever slept with another guy.
	Would that be a deal-breaker?
	If a guy that I slept with.
	If a guy slept with another guy, would that be a deal breaker for you?
	Yeah.
	Have you ever slept with a guy?
	Fucking hypocrite.
	Have you ever slept with a guy, hypocrite?
	Have you?
	Yeah, but not with somebody of the same sex.
	So what?
	You still slept with a man and he slept with a man.
	Why would that be a deal-breaker, hypocrite?
	Because one involves homosexuality and the other doesn't.
	Wait, wait, wait.
	Are they both sleeping with men?
	Weak argument.
	Are they both sleeping with men?
	Oh, refute it.
	One has to do with homosexuality, which doesn't, okay, it doesn't align with Christian values.
	Okay, wait a second.
	That wasn't my question.
	My question had nothing to do with Christian values.
	My question was: would you ever date a guy who slept with a guy?
	Answer is no.
	Okay, but he's expected to sleep with you who slept with another guy.
	It's like, okay, that would be hypocrisy.
	Tell me how it wouldn't be.
	Because she probably wants men who are attracted to women.
	They could still be attracted to women.
	She would, okay.
	Are they only attracted to women?
	Yeah.
	Okay, great.
	So what?
	So we could reduce anything that way, in fact.
	We could just endlessly make reductions.
	Sure, but you should probably.
	Can you give a betterly aligned argument?
	As soon as you give a logical refutation of the first argument.
	But you were the initial person arguing.
	Nope, she was.
	She said it's a hypocrisy.
	I gave a counterexample of hypocrisy.
	You have refuted not my example of hypocrisy.
	You're just not accepting that it's a false equivalency.
	What's false about the equivalency?
	One involves homosexuality, the other does not.
	Oh, okay.
	So anytime that you make an analogy between two things, which are hypocrisy, you agree they're always going to be different, right?
	Well.
	Hang on.
	You agree with me that anything you compare to anything else is always going to be different than the thing you're comparing it to?
	I think you can compare things that are a little bit more close to the same thing.
	It's not my question.
	You're evading.
	No, I think I don't.
	Is every instance of hypocrisy is going to be different than another?
	So anytime you say you're a hypocrite, no, you're a hypocrite, you both have done hypocritical things that are not the same thing.
	So really don't know where you're.
	I think you do know.
	No.
	But okay.
	But in this case, like, I feel like we're, like, why would you not sleep with a man who slept with another man?
	Is it because it's because of the homosexuality, right?
	Yeah, I'm.
	Yeah.
	That's a good idea.
	Oh, okay, okay, great.
	If you weren't a Christian, would you?
	I'm leaving.
	What's up?
	If you weren't a Christian, would you sleep with a guy who slept with a guy?
	Yeah, probably not.
	Yeah, probably not.
	Yeah, but it's still about the homosexuality.
	The entailment of the homosexuality here would be it's sinful.
	If you're a secularist, you can't say it's sinful, right?
	You would just say it's gross.
	It's gross.
	Yeah, okay, sure.
	Say it's not that that's what you think.
	So there's nothing wrong with having the preference of it's gross, even if you've done the exact same thing.
	There's nothing wrong with having the preference of thinking so.
	I agree.
	So her saying this is hypocrisy, great.
	This is hypocrisy, too.
	Well, she could also choose to reject him based on his past.
	Correct.
	Same.
	Even if she had the exact same equivalency.
	Like, I don't, like, I would do it if the compatibility was there enough, but I don't necessarily want to date somebody with kids.
	You know what I mean?
	Even though I have them.
	So I get it.
	Fucking hypocrites.
	I have two.
	You wouldn't date a guy who has kids?
	I would if we were like super compatible, but it's not going to be the top of my list by far.
	Hypocrisy.
	Exactly.
	Like, I'm owning it, though.
	It's actually fine.
	Like, it's fine to entertain hypocrisy when it comes to dating preferences.
	I have no idea why it wouldn't be.
	Like, I'll give you a million more examples, right?
	You probably would prefer to have men who are taller than you.
	Yeah.
	I mean, I'm not requiring, like, six foot or anything.
	But you would probably like it, right?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Would you reject a guy based on the fact that he wasn't tall, taller than you?
	Not always necessarily.
	No?
	What if he was bald?
	No, I like that.
	Okay.
	What if he was like really heinously ugly?
	No, I think there should be some physical attraction.
	No.
	Yeah, there has to be a lot of people.
	It doesn't have to be like head over heels instantly, but I think there definitely needs to be some sort of.
	So you can think of probably all kinds of preferences and traits that you would like, right, to have in the other partner, correct?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	So let's back up and take kind of a bird's eye view.
	When you're talking about an argument from hypocrisy, the reason that it's fallacious to begin with, like, oh, you're a hypocrite, you should do this preferential thing that I like, is because it actually doesn't make any sense.
	Because whatever standard you're holding them to, you could easily be held to the exact same standard back, and you would likely be a hypocrite when it came to dating.
	Like, for instance, you'd probably think a guy who has brown eyes, it's okay for him to reject a girl who has brown eyes.
	Is that hypocrisy?
	No.
	Why?
	Why not?
	They have a right to choose.
	They have a right.
	They have a right to choose based on their preferences, right?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	So if they both have the same body count, why can't he just still say, no, it's too high?
	I don't know.
	I think those are just, that's a different level of standards that people hold to each other.
	Like, I guess what my take is, it's just a lot of people overlook the forgiveness aspect.
	And I'm not saying that if you don't want to make that choice to be with that person because of their past, like, I'm not saying that that's not okay, but I just think that.
	Do you think that people who have assaulted children have essayed children can be forgiven?
	I mean, they can be forgiven, right?
	They can be forgiven, yeah.
	You're going to let them watch your kids?
	No.
	No.
	So just because you've been forgiven for a thing, right?
	Yeah, I see what you're saying.
	Doesn't necessarily mean that suddenly, oh, well, we're just going to look past what you did, right?
	So.
	Yeah, I see what you're saying.
	All right, I'm good.
	All right.
	Moving to Bella.
	Bella, you said you met up with a guy that you met on 4chan/slash Discord in the hotel to fuck.
	Yeah, so I actually started all of the.
	4chan a Discord pipeline, really?
	Yeah, well, I actually started my online presence on 4chan.
	Basically, just posted a selfie and it got a lot of attention.
	And then I started posting a lot on the same board.
	And I made a Discord server for myself, and I got a lot of like orbiters or simps or whatever.
	And one of the guys, we ended up having a lot in common.
	And I found him attractive.
	And he was like, Would you want to meet up and hook up?
	And I was like, Sure, why not?
	If you drive and pay for everything, sure.
	So he drove here and we hooked up and then he went home.
	Okay.
	Cool.
	All right.
	You said that women have it way easier than men when it comes to dating/slash getting hookups.
	Yeah, I think that because of the fact that men want sex so bad, I think it's a lot easier for women, yes.
	But in dating in general, also just because I think it's like a thing in our society, whether it be due to like biological aspects or like, you know, societal aspects, because like men are often the ones courting women.
	So like women don't usually have to take the initiative.
	So like, you know, like as a woman, like I never really approach guys, and I think I have it easier in that way.
	Like men just, you know, like, I think it's more common for men to just approach women.
	And that's what I mean by easier.
	Yeah.
	And this is from your own experience.
	Also.
	I mean, it's from my own experience and just like I feel like every woman's experience, honestly.
	Okay.
	But I think it's like, I feel like the controversial part is that like I think that there's a negative side to that too.
	Because if you're like an unattractive woman, like men won't really give you the light of day at all.
	Like they will kind of see you as invisible.
	Whereas like if they see an unattractive man, like they'll still see them as like a peer.
	I completely disagree.
	I think it's actually harder for better looking women.
	Men don't approach you as often because they are intimidated with getting rejected.
	And the average or lesser looking women actually get approached more because men don't want their egos to be shut up.
	I mean, it depends on like how attractive you are though.
	I guess like if you're like a 10, yeah, guys will be scared to approach you, but that's because they like admire you so much.
	You don't have to be a 10.
	I don't know about admiration.
	I mean, I just think it's a psychological, it's almost like when you're fishing, right?
	Like you want to draw your line and you want to get a bite.
	And I think a man's going to go for someone that's more demure and less resistant to their advances.
	Yeah, but I guess, okay, I guess like you're talking about like average looking women.
	I'm like talking about like unattractive women.
	Like I think unattractive women have it really hard because those are the ones they marry.
	Well, I mean like it's just like because I like when I was like a little bit younger like I've lost a lot of weight and like I've like noticed a big difference in just like the way that like men have treated me.
	And it's like not even in like a romantic sense, but just in like how they treat me as a human.
	And I think it's because of how they view me like or like if they see me as attractive, they're not, you know?
	Okay.
	But you did say that, you know, you said women have it a lot easier than men when it comes to dating, but a lot of that is a result of the patriarchy.
	Yeah.
	So that's like what I was kind of getting into there is like I think that the whole thing with women having it easier was like created by men because they kind of view women as like a prize a lot of the time.
	And it's not necessarily like like we're not necessarily like asking for that attention.
	Well, right now what's happening in 2024 is beta males actually view themselves as the prize because they're not taking the lead.
	So like men, for example, who asked you out on the date, who planned the date, to said, we're going to go shooting, like wear this.
	Those are the alpha males, the ones that don't have to say they are.
	I am so irritated by these accounts like on Instagram that like have to say they're an alpha male.
	Like, no, you're actually not.
	Because the true masculine energy just leads.
	And so I don't necessarily think that women, quote unquote, having it easier was created by men.
	I don't even think women do have it easier.
	don't think either sex has it easier i think there's i definitely think women have it easier Maybe certain kinds of women.
	Wait, which ones?
	Yeah.
	Which ones don't, actually?
	I'm curious too.
	you said it was the hot ones that if you have if if a man doesn't have a big enough of a set to handle a woman who's intelligent and smart and attractive and maybe successful then yeah it is it is hard you mean it's a thing brian wait Wait, you mean a pain in the ass?
	No, because you can be able to talk to you.
	You can be successful in your skill or profession and be subservient in your relationship and submit.
	So I don't think the two should conflict.
	Is that something that you usually see with boss babes, that they're very submissive?
	I don't want to be a boss babe.
	I do think that women who have careers and are very career-oriented, highly career-oriented, want to see themselves succeed in their careers are usually boss babes because that's been my experience.
	Here's what I don't usually see in women who are super driven towards career is that they're super submissive to men.
	Haven't seen that very much.
	Where are you finding all these super driven career submissive women?
	I'd love to know.
	I think what happens is certain people have been led in a certain direction because they don't feel they have the option.
	There aren't enough men that are up to par with Christian values or leading.
	I mean, there's so many beta males right now.
	You can agree with that.
	There's a lot of men right now that are.
	My distinction here is like, I think I would agree with you.
	There's way too many fucking sims for sure.
	But when you say a beta male, right, versus an alpha male, I don't even, I don't even believe in those categories.
	Those are bad categories, right?
	Well, how maybe society deems it.
	Like the alpha hierarchy, I just think it's nonsense.
	But, but, um, like if you, if you're talking about like a cisified man or something like this, sure, right?
	I can, I can see to that or a simp or this type of thing.
	But I'd still like to know this phenomenon of where you're finding all of these really submissive, career-driven women.
	Like, where do you think I don't think any woman, unless you're like a straight up liberal and just delusional, I don't think there's any women who want to be career-driven.
	I think it's the choice that you have because you haven't found any kind of a situation where you're going to be provided for.
	You're not just going to sit in your dad's garage at 18 and just wait for some knight to come save you.
	That's just not the reality of the world.
	And based on the destruction of the nuclear family, that's where we're at.
	That's career-driven then.
	It seems like if you're creating a career because that's the alternative you have to being taken care of, then that's not you being driven towards career.
	That's you getting a career because it's the only way that you can make ends meet.
	Seems like that's something you would give up very quickly if you didn't have to make ends meet.
	So I don't really understand where that drive is exactly.
	I don't understand it either, but I can tell you that my ex, the girl he was with in the years that we were apart, like she offered for her to live with him and him pay all the bills and stuff.
	She's like, no, I want to get my PhD.
	You can kind of like fuck off.
	And I don't want to have kids either.
	At least not for many years.
	I'm just focused on this.
	And I'm like, hi.
	I'll live with you.
	I think it's crazy to not accept that.
	And some of it's just like you can't, like, the reliability of men, too.
	Like, you have to just, I can tell you firsthand, I was married to someone who wanted to be a provider and all the things, and then ended up, well, I can't get into that, but it ended up going left.
	So that's where the fear comes from for a lot of women.
	But some women just genuinely don't have that drive in there.
	And also, ironically, she was submissive to him.
	And like, we're kind of even keel with one another.
	And I'm more like trad wife-y, I guess.
	And it's also a thing where people assume trad wives are going to always be submissive and just like let their partner steamroll over them all the time.
	And that's also not the case.
	Like, there's so many variables and all that stuff.
	This all depends on how you want to define things, right?
	But tradition, like, how would you even define tradition?
	It's actually a hard word to define.
	What a nuclear family looks like, the man works.
	Well, I mean, you wouldn't define tradition as just being nuclear family.
	Tradition has a specific meaning.
	In regards to dating, though.
	Well, I mean, just in general, what would you say tradition is?
	Following what generations before you did.
	Yeah, I think there's some truth.
	I don't think that that captures it, but it kind of has the right idea to be charitable, right?
	Best way I heard this described was tradition would be experiments that cultures have done that work, right?
	That's kind of a thing that we would point to as being tradition, like Christmas, for instance.
	It seems to be kind of this experiment that the culture did, and it seems to work fine, right?
	It's a stressful time of the year, and we just can't seem to wait for it or wait for it to be over.
	But it's something that seems to work.
	Halloween, these different holidays, all sorts of different traditional kind of aspects of American culture, right?
	Or Western culture, biblical, et cetera.
	These are all experiments which work.
	So what happens when experiments start breaking down, like the liberal experiment, the progressive experiment?
	People start to look at the experiments that worked, right?
	And they go, okay, we got to move back to those experiments.
	Because they worked.
	So that's what I think traditionalism is, right?
	So I think that the modern woman wants to have her cake and eat it too.
	Because at the time that marriages were working, women didn't have a fucking say.
	Okay, that's the truth.
	You want to see the time where there was almost no divorce, right?
	We can show you a time when the happiness index was likely happening.
	They didn't file for divorce.
	So does it count?
	No, it could.
	Like, so you're accounting for like past the 80s?
	They could.
	They could show cause for divorce.
	Even the church granted divorces for infidelity, things like this.
	But even in the early 1920s, 1930s, right, 1940s, people were much, much, much happier.
	And everybody you ask in modernity.
	Well, they can't get a divorce, but they can have a lot of people.
	I've asked this question a million times.
	Do you think people were happier in the 1950s?
	You are right now.
	Almost every time the answer is yes.
	I think they were.
	Interestingly enough, women couldn't have the credit cards, though, right?
	Women couldn't have, they didn't have all this suffering.
	They didn't have all this shit.
	Very strange to me, right?
	Why it is they didn't have any of these kind of feminist ideals and yet seem to be far happier when they didn't have all this say.
	So I think when people say tradition, they don't really mean tradition.
	They mean I want modernity with this kind of LARPing aspect.
	The LARPing aspect being, yay, I get to stay at home and not fucking do shit, right?
	Yay, this is great.
	But I don't think that's traditional.
	What's traditional about that?
	Tradition is supposed to be that you obey.
	That's supposed to be the tradition.
	The tradition is not supposed to be egalitarianism in the household.
	That's modernity.
	It's the opposite of the mind.
	I'm not obeying.
	Yeah, right.
	But why not?
	Because just the word makes you sick because you've been completely brainwashed.
	You've just been worked on your entire life.
	That obedience to a man, you have a bit as good as him, even though it has nothing to do with good.
	There was one of those burr moments.
	Has nothing to do with good, right?
	Well, maybe, maybe it's my social programming, but just my personality type in general.
	The obey, oof, don't not a fan.
	But I am a fan of doing the cooking and the cleaning and all of the things that you like to do.
	Right, but that's not obedience.
	I like to cook.
	Yeah, but it's not obedience for you to do things you like to do.
	It's obedience for you to do things that you don't like to do when you're told to do them.
	That's obedience.
	But we could also just say that the nuclear family dynamic works better, and you don't also have to be like totally subservient to your partner.
	It doesn't work.
	What breaks it down is the lack of subservience from the woman.
	The lack of obedience from the woman is what breaks it almost every single time.
	This is why.
	You tell me why are they filing for divorce at such high rates?
	Why are they moving, pushing back against men at such high rates?
	They're completely disobedient in their relationships.
	Looks like you have something on this.
	Go ahead.
	No.
	I mean, you agree?
	Do you agree or disagree with Andrew?
	I don't agree.
	Why?
	For a few reasons.
	I don't know.
	You want to articulate those?
	On what specific points?
	Like obeying.
	Obeying.
	Okay.
	So, I mean.
	Submission.
	I don't know.
	If somebody wants to obey, I just.
	It's not obedience.
	Yeah.
	I'll do.
	I'll do what you want if I want to.
	It's like, well, where does the obey part come in?
	Well, I'll follow you as soon as I think that I need to follow you when I decide that it's okay to follow you.
	Then I'll follow you.
	But no, but like maybe obedience doesn't need to factor in, though.
	Maybe we could just get back to men being providers and leaders and women being mothers and caretakers.
	Yeah, great.
	Taking stress off of the men by handling the things that they don't have the time to do if they're.
	Yeah, that's great.
	You get all the perks and the benefits.
	I mean, not all, like, I don't think most women also want to cook clean and you know.
	Oh, no.
	Oh, that's so hard to cook and clean.
	Look at this.
	I don't think it's hard if someone else is.
	So you get to stay home all day.
	You get the luxury of being at home with your own children.
	You don't have to outsource that if you're not lazy and you actually homeschool.
	And if you're not, your kid's going somewhere else for eight hours a day.
	Literally eight hours a day while you're at home.
	Oh my God.
	No, I literally agree with you on this.
	This is terrible.
	This is horrible.
	What?
	It is hard.
	It's horrible what's happening to women.
	It's like, no, it's not hard.
	And on top of that, you say, okay, I get all the perks, all the benefits, but I don't want to do that obedience.
	I have a question.
	Fuck that obedience thing.
	And it's like, that's a pretty raw deal for men.
	But like, also, like, I can't even imagine a situation where one would need to be obedient because I'm like looking at my boyfriends and like ex-husband and like, well, maybe when it matters, that's when like, so give me an example of like, like what?
	That's what I was going to say.
	Like, what if I really need to obey?
	Like, do you think you can report an example?
	Like, do you think that that's acceptable?
	No.
	Okay, but okay, but like, to what extent do you think she should obey, though?
	Like, what if she disobeys you?
	Within the confines of reason.
	Like, so just give me an example.
	She has to be obedient within the confines of reason.
	Beating your wife would be sinful.
	Okay, well, if she doesn't obey you, what do you do?
	What would you do?
	What, for disobedience?
	Yeah.
	Well, the same things that you would do right now.
	First, you would try reason, right?
	You would explain what their duties are.
	And you would go to your community, in this case, the church, to see if you could get this reconciled, right?
	Because it's a problem.
	And what if she continues to disobey?
	Well, then there's going to be extreme problems inside of the marriage.
	And it's going to be a lot of fucking misery.
	That's what.
	But marriage takes work between both people.
	Yeah, I'm not disputing that.
	Like, somebody doesn't want to do something.
	I still want an example.
	There's no disputing.
	Well, okay.
	I'm fine giving those examples, right?
	But when the person asked me a question, I have to give that answer, then I have to give that answer.
	Now we've circled back to this one.
	Okay, so discipline.
	Discipline is a great one, right?
	What if your husband wants to discipline?
	He wants to use a belt.
	Can he?
	Yeah, see?
	I mean, it's so easy.
	Honestly, I'm not.
	I'm going to get so much hit for this.
	I'm not totally against spanking.
	Like, I think it's got to be age-appropriate, and it's got to be not.
	Yeah, but why do you get to decide that, not him?
	Because they're half mine, and it is also my job to be.
	Yeah, but okay.
	But I guess that's one example.
	This would be disobedience immediately.
	It's like, okay, no, I think that it is the right age.
	No, I don't.
	What if he wants to take all disobey?
	Yeah, exactly.
	So you'll move into the kind of like disobedient road.
	And so this is an easy example: schooling, extensions of what types of things you'd want them to do for, let's say, you want them to play music or you want them to have these curriculums.
	Maybe you're disagreeing on those things.
	Ultimately, somebody's going to have to ultimately be the decider, I think, again.
	But when I'm talking about disobedience specifically, it's like, no, you don't get to beat your wife.
	That's insane.
	Doesn't comport with reason, right?
	But you can use shaming tactics and utilize the church to assist you in kind of moving and counseling the relationship the right direction.
	This is actually below the threshold.
	But Davin Sam, this is a great super chat.
	You have a problem being submissive, but demand chivalry and breadwinners.
	Well, that's what I was pointing out already, right?
	Is that like you get to stay at home?
	You got all the perks of this.
	But no, as long as I keep getting what I want, you do what I say.
	Well, I just think for me personally, it's circumstantial, and I'm willing to budge on a lot of things.
	Like, I'm not probably as combative as maybe I'm making myself seem.
	But you're not just going to, especially when it, because I have kids and they're my kids.
	So maybe my perspective on it's a little bit different than if we had a shared child.
	Well, I'm willing to budge on a lot of things.
	Yeah, maybe, right?
	But that's not really the point.
	So the point really isn't reduced to, you know, if I think that I should submit because it sounds reasonable, I will.
	That's beside the point.
	The point is supposed to be when it doesn't seem reasonable to you to submit that you will.
	That's the point.
	You said something about the woman benefits, I guess, most if the man's the breadwinner providing.
	Yep.
	One thing I want to comment on is if the woman is providing homeschooling to the child, let's just say it's that sort of scenario.
	Because right now a lot of people have issues with the school system.
	Well, then the man also is benefiting because that wife is capable of providing schooling for the child so that they don't get indoctrinated in the school system that considers this to be the bare minimum.
	The bare minimum of duty and responsibility of a good mother is that if she is enabled by her husband to stay at home and homeschool her kids, then she should.
	That should be a duty.
	When I see this idea, it's like a top.
	It's like somebody's spinning a top.
	It makes no sense to me.
	It's like, look at this great thing I'm doing.
	No, this is a baseline duty.
	It's a baseline duty.
	You know the public school's fucked.
	You know they're indoctrinating your kids.
	You know they're doing horrible things to them, right?
	You know this.
	It's like, so you have a duty, if you can, to stay home and homeschool your kids.
	You have this duty.
	I consider that to be a baseline.
	I would not consider that to be something in addition that you're doing in the benefit of your own offspring.
	Agree.
	Most women aren't doing it though.
	Just say he marries someone who isn't capable of doing it.
	I would love to be able to homeschool my kids.
	I think it's something that's necessary right now, considering everything that's going on.
	But I just think that it's unfair to say that only the woman's benefiting them from the man being the breadwinner.
	There's a dual benefit there.
	Okay, so I don't usually deal in monoliths.
	Sometimes, because there are some all statements which are okay, but I don't usually deal in monoliths.
	So it's not that there's only the benefit to the woman.
	I'm saying the vast majority of the benefit is to the woman.
	I just wanted to clarify that.
	The vast majority is to the woman.
	And the ability, I think, is a gift.
	I think a man's giving a woman a gift that she can be able to stay at home with her own kids.
	Because I got to tell you right now, you're a single mom, for instance.
	I bet you wish you were able to stay at home with your kids.
	100%.
	And so, like, that's a massive gift to give them.
	But not enough to deal with a city husband.
	Yeah, but think about what you just said here, right?
	See, that to me is, that's also bizarre to me.
	I don't understand that.
	Self-sacrifice for the purpose of your children.
	I thought you were supposed to be the nurturing ones.
	So, yeah.
	Okay, but my situation is a little bit different.
	I'm not saying you have to put up with physical abuse, things like that, but the concession of just obedience for a better life for your kids, it just seems like it's such an easy thing to concede on.
	And yet, so many women are like, I just, I just, I just couldn't possibly.
	I just couldn't possibly.
	But there are provider men who are happy to involve you in every discussion and like there be compromise.
	There's always this idea that like because the man ultimately decides that means a woman's never getting consulted.
	Right, but for example, like you talked about the spanking thing, like that might be one thing that I take a stand on, and he may be like, okay, on this one, and that's okay.
	It doesn't mean that men who, like, he's suddenly just because of that one instance where he didn't put his foot down.
	No, sure.
	He can he can make a concession to a reasonable suggestion.
	Of course, there's nothing wrong with that.
	Has nothing again to do with the fact, though, that what if he didn't?
	So it's not that, okay, you made a great point about spanking.
	And he's like, you know what?
	That's a really good point.
	And I think that we'll do that.
	The question is, what if he doesn't?
	If he goes, I know you think that's a great point, but you're fucking wrong.
	And I'm going to do it anyway.
	Right?
	That's where I.
	I would probably concede on a lot of other things.
	That is not one.
	Right.
	So it's the idea of the concession with the obedience that like you still know better.
	And so that's why these relationships, I think, break down.
	I just do think there needs to be more emphasis placed on the value of a stay-at-home mom who is successfully raising the kids and homeschooling because the amount of money you'd be spending on child care and education if they sent if you send them to a private school It's free.
	What are you talking about?
	If you send them to private school, no, private school first school.
	Let's talk about public schools.
	Okay, first of all, public schools, right?
	You put them on a school bus.
	If you're under the income threshold, they get a free lunch.
	They get free breakfast in many of them.
	They get free extracurricular activities.
	You have to get them some backpacks and shit.
	Low-income people, almost everything is subsidized for them when it comes to schooling.
	Almost everything.
	Well, public schooling isn't really free because your taxes are paying for it and you're costing them the rest of their life.
	People don't let her family.
	Yeah, okay.
	It's just a matter of what you value more.
	Do you value having a wife who's going to be at home and be a stay-at-home mom and homeschool them and give you that better education?
	I just think there needs to be more emphasis placed on that because I knew growing up, a lot of us didn't value those moms that were stay-at-home moms and that's a fallacy.
	Most low-income people, first of all, don't pay property taxes.
	They may be affected by them, but they don't pay them because they don't own property.
	Poor people don't own property.
	They're not paying property taxes.
	When the levies get passed, they're getting passed by people who don't own property because they're outnumbering the property owners.
	That's one.
	Two, all of them, they're under the income threshold.
	It's all free.
	And the lunches are free.
	Everything is completely subsidized for them.
	Totally subsidized.
	First five years of their life before they go to school because daycare is not free, even if you're low.
	And you're at home.
	What are you homeschooling them to do at five?
	Watch Sesame Street?
	What do you mean?
	My kids are already.
	Well, my oldest, my three-year-old is already preschool ready because you do Montessori type homeschooling.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	Absolutely.
	That's family.
	No, it's not.
	Yeah, what's preschool?
	What do you mean?
	Yeah, what do you learn to do preschool?
	How to lick glue.
	My three-year-old knows all his letters and the sounds of each.
	He knows phonics.
	He knows how to count.
	He knows.
	Your three-year-old can't read.
	No, but he knows phonics.
	Yeah, because he probably watches a show where he memorizes A, B, C, D, E, F, G all day.
	You're not teaching a three-year-old massive skills.
	Yes, I am.
	Their entire do I not?
	I literally lesson plan for them.
	I literally, their room is a preschool.
	Great.
	Yeah, so, and, but that's not the point.
	The point is, the first five years, you do have to pay for daycare.
	And it is, it costs.
	No, not if you have a stay-at-home wife.
	Exactly.
	Yeah.
	That's the point she's making.
	That's the point.
	That's the benefit.
	And you're trying to say, well, school's free.
	It's not a fair faith.
	No, that's a gift to her.
	She gets to stay home with him the first five years.
	That's a gift to him as well.
	No, that's not a gift to him.
	You have to pay for daycare.
	Okay.
	Let's back up.
	Okay.
	Do you think that if the roles could be reversed, right?
	Like, let's say the average man, okay, a woman was like, okay, you know what?
	I'm going to go and work my fucking ass off every day so that you can stay home with the kids.
	Do you think that that's a better or worse deal for them?
	Actual deal.
	I would be happy, like, to do one or the other.
	I don't care which one.
	I don't want to do both anymore.
	Better or worse deal for him.
	For him?
	Yeah, he doesn't have to work.
	That's right.
	But it's also good to have a bad thing.
	So hang on.
	So it's a better deal for you because you don't have to do it.
	Why don't you want to do it?
	I think the point is that it's equally beneficial.
	It's not equally beneficial.
	I think it is.
	And I think that whoever the stay-at-home partner is who's investing in the kids often goes underappreciated, which I think is her point.
	And that's what she's trying to do.
	No, I don't think they're underappreciated.
	I think that there's an overemphasis put on them over the working father.
	And that the truth is that the working father is the one who enables all this to begin with and is giving the greatest gift in the world to a mother, which is those first five years, you know, they're not coming back.
	You never get them again.
	You already miss your three-year-old.
	You miss when they were one.
	And you're already thinking about all the shit that they did at one that you miss.
	Oh, I miss when they did that.
	I miss when they did this.
	Now they're getting so big.
	You had the great gift of being there for that entire spread of time.
	Yes.
	And it's like, what does he get?
	Nothing.
	To save money.
	Well, not really.
	By the way, by the way, if he is under a certain threshold, right?
	You get all sorts of subsidies for daycare, too.
	No, no, no.
	Listen, I am a single mom and I don't get shit.
	Well, you could be over the income threshold.
	And it could be just, I'm literally.
	So you do realize that this is based around where you live as well.
	Okay, so, but then you can't make a generalized statement when the benefits that people think exist are not there for single moms or single parents in general or even.
	Come on, you get EBT, get WIC, you get all kinds of shit.
	I did not get working.
	I got denied for WIC.
	I got denied for TA and F. Because you were over the income threshold.
	I don't know why the hell I was denied because I'm not.
	Okay, but anyway, you weren't supposed to be is the point.
	So it's like, look, subsidies, you're subsidized to all get out.
	Okay.
	If you're single and you have kids, you get all sorts of subsidies.
	The man is, again, giving you a gift, allowing you to stay at home.
	No one is disputing that.
	Yeah, they are.
	No, I'm not.
	In this room, is anybody?
	I think at this table, we're going to be able to do that.
	Yeah, you're saying there needs to be more of an emphasis put on her.
	No, I think that, well, sure, men should be appreciated for working more.
	And honestly, especially, and I can even admit this with my marriage, I didn't always have a great appreciation or even understanding for how much work my ex-husband was putting in.
	That you do now.
	Yeah, no, I definitely do, and I can own that.
	However, I think both parties should be appreciated, and maybe neither are, but we can talk about both, and we don't have to deny one to appreciate the other parts.
	There's no denial.
	Okay, yeah, you did.
	No, it's not a denial.
	Listen, it's not a denial of there's value here.
	In fact, I made specifically sure to clarify and say, I didn't say it's not valuable, I said it's not as valuable.
	I feel like in the middle of the day, I guess that's subjective.
	Yeah, I don't think it's subjective.
	I think that if, let me just ask you this.
	Let me just ask you this then, right?
	If you had the luxury of being able to stay at home, because you haven't been able to, right, with your kids, right?
	Would you?
	Yeah.
	In a second?
	Yes.
	Would you do anything you could possibly do to have that luxury?
	Oh, I don't know.
	Within reason.
	Like, I'm not going to settle for someone I don't want.
	Right.
	So you wouldn't sacrifice for it.
	But there's, I think, I think that there are people, women, and I think most women actually would because you can't get that.
	You got to work.
	Right.
	But I'm not going to live inauthentically, and I don't want to set an example to my kids that they have to live a lie either.
	But I'm sure they'll thank you for outsourcing their care when they're older.
	Well, they're great right now.
	I'm just stressed the fuck out.
	But I will tell you this: if I ever am in a position to be a stay-at-home home, well, I did it the first time, though.
	But some women don't do this.
	It's crazy.
	I will see some stay-at-home moms that don't even clean the fucking house.
	Yeah.
	Which is wild.
	Yeah.
	So I do think if you're in that position, like you should appreciate it.
	It is a blessing.
	And, you know, rub his feet.
	Yeah.
	But they don't.
	I know.
	Yeah.
	And I don't think that's right.
	And so again, highly underappreciated.
	And yes, I think there is an overemphasis even by feminists who say, oh, no, we should start valuing stay-at-home moms again.
	It's like, okay, great.
	But never hear any emphasis on working fathers and that it's actually a gift they're giving these women to allow them to stay at home with the children.
	I feel like in this economy right now, too, I know many of my friends are, their husbands are requiring them to work, at least working from home while they have kids, too.
	So I'm just curious how that would play in because for financial stability, just it's so difficult right now on one income.
	They're requiring a small part-time job while they're still at home.
	So what?
	No, no, full-time, but from home.
	Full-time from home?
	Well, that's a different story then.
	Now you have a different requirement.
	The thing is, though, is we're not discussing whether or not you have a working wife at home who's working full-time from home and that that wouldn't create dynamics which are different.
	We would all concede that that's true.
	Talking right now on a woman who's staying at home and is given the gift of being able to take care of her kids, should she submit to her husband or not?
	And the idea here basically is like, if she wants to.
	But because there are so many ways she's not going to be able to do that.
	But see, from my perspective, though, and we'll get to this in just a second, I promise.
	I just want to finish this comment.
	From my perspective, it's like, well, then why would he want to get married to you and have you stay home with the kids?
	Like, why would they do it?
	It just seems so stupid to me.
	Like, that's why these secularists are like, look, Andrew, give me the great reason to get married.
	I'm like, I can't.
	Because you're going to get married to a chick, and she's going to be like, I'm drad and I love you and I'm going to submit and I'm going to obey and blah, And then he's going to go work, right?
	And she's not going to obey shit.
	She's going to divorce him.
	She's going to take half his shit.
	And she's going to leave him, you know, kind of up shit creek without a paddle.
	So I'm just like, well, you could do that.
	Or you could just kind of, well, I don't know.
	Check out.
	Both ways, though.
	Check out of the secular.
	Well, not really.
	Not if I look at the stats.
	You're a little example of how that does not always play out.
	Again, you can't point to every outlier.
	I know, but I don't think it's as big of a thing as you think it is these days.
	And maybe it's just a Texas thing.
	And I'll admit that, because I don't know how.
	In Texas, they don't want stay-at-home moms who obey?
	Okay.
	Tell me another question.
	No, no, no.
	Well, first of all, there's like objective stats that men benefit from marriage more than women do when it comes to their health, when it comes to their financial stability.
	Arrollius!
	Look it up.
	Arroweous.
	Yes.
	No, no, no.
	This is all true, but you have some pretty major flaws with it, though.
	Yeah, let me start with the first one, which is: whoa, oh, men make, they earn more money when they're married.
	Yeah, because they have to.
	Right?
	Okay.
	So what they end up having to do is work longer hours, right?
	Instead of shorter hours.
	And because they work longer hours, they're at work more.
	So they do less high-risk behavior than when they work shorter hours and they're having a ton of fun.
	So if you're-yeah, but I'm not sure what's the benefit here.
	They have a longer life, they have better health.
	Hang on.
	That men take slightly more risk because they work less hours and are having way more fun, or they can't afford to take slightly more risk because they have to pick up way more hours at work to take care of other people who aren't them.
	You tell me.
	It's not the only variable, but I think having a long life and better health and more money, and maybe we can argue the money part.
	Well, first of all, and by the way, you're not including the religious stats here, and that the number one correlate between happiness and marriage is religion and how religious you are.
	When you're talking about secular marriages, all of these other correlates that you're talking about, which do increase, they increase much, much less.
	And it seems to me, again, that, oh, you can take less risk.
	You can take less risk and work way more hours so that you can support the family, or you could work way less and take more risk.
	But in any given scenario, we can add a million variables to go off course.
	The point is, there are benefits to marriage.
	There are objective benefits to marriage for men that outweigh those.
	In some groups.
	For some groups.
	It's just well documented.
	Yes, you've got to do it.
	And I'm giving you the well-documented parts.
	Okay.
	Because I picked these studies apart.
	So there's those benefits.
	It's also a benefit to not have to do the cooking, to not have to do the cleaning, to not have to worry about running all the errands.
	You get a fucking maid.
	What are you talking about?
	You pay for it.
	You know how cheap it is to have a maid versus stay-at-home mom?
	Not really, because I'm a residential cleaner and I cost a lot of money.
	How much do you cost?
	$200 a week?
	No.
	What?
	To come into one house and clean water?
	Way different than that.
	No, I never charge less than like $40 an hour.
	Okay.
	So how long does it take you to do your cleaning?
	Four hours?
	It depends on what kind of cleaning it is, but we're not just talking about cleaning.
	We're talking about errands.
	We're talking about chocolate cooking.
	Okay, we're talking about Becca.
	We're not cooking.
	We're talking about it.
	Become great.
	Meal planning.
	You can get all of your meals online planned and literally shipped to you now.
	How many people do those?
	Screw it.
	Tons.
	Especially bodybuilders.
	But the second thing is, it's not really fucking hard to cook.
	Super easy, especially if you're just cooking for you.
	Especially if you're just cooking for you.
	The third thing is, it's like, no, maids are not expensive to come in and clean your house.
	I'm sorry.
	I have one professionally come in and clean my house once a month.
	It's not very much money.
	Not very much money.
	It takes them four hours.
	They're out.
	And they do a really good job.
	So it's like, no, it's not very expensive.
	So, hold on, hold on, hold on.
	You have a wife?
	Does she work?
	Well, yeah, she does now.
	Okay.
	Did you have a maid when she didn't?
	No, of course not.
	Okay.
	The only reason I have a maid is because they do a deep clean, deep, deep detail clean.
	Okay.
	What does your wife do?
	I'm just curious.
	She's an author.
	Oh, okay.
	Well, I'm curious, though, hearkening back to earlier when you were talking about obedience, when you have a husband that in this economy is requiring his wife to also work full-time from home, how would that play into how much, say, she should have in their children and in just household in general?
	Hang on, repeat that because I want to make sure I get it.
	So, when you have a situation where the wife is being required to work by her husband because it's financially more stable in this economy, how would that come in being more submissive, the woman, when she's working equal hours?
	Yeah, so the idea here generally, well, I would think that you'd want the idea to be working around the children, right?
	And so, this idea is supposed to be temporary.
	I think if you have temporary work, like over in a bind or we need X or whatever, that, okay, you're making the sacrifice for a year or two, but he's still going to be out there working for the whole life, right?
	So, it's like, sure, you can make some temporary sacrifices, but I'm not really sure, again, how that's more valuable than what he's doing.
	I don't think anybody's saying it's more.
	I just think your level should be unnoticed, and I don't think that it is very much.
	Or, like, the level of input that the woman has in the relationship should maybe increase depending on if she's doing equal amount of work.
	Yeah, no, I still don't.
	I still think that it should be stuck under the patriarchate.
	But here's the thing: let me create a differential here.
	The first differential is under a secularist form, I don't give a shit, right?
	Like, I literally don't care if you're a secularist.
	I can't even make an argument for why you should do anything, to be honest with you.
	But if you're in a Christian marriage, yeah, she still has to submit, she still has to obey.
	Like, I'm sorry, but that is Christianity.
	You still have to submit, you still have to obey, even if you're working.
	Now, if you're a secularist, you want me to give you a secular argument?
	Sure, be equal, be equal with that chick and do equal stuff and give her equal access to your bank account, do whatever you want to do.
	But yeah, that's not going to apply in a Christian marriage.
	No, I definitely agree because most of the time when the woman does have to put in work in a marriage, specifically biblical marriage, it's usually just temporary.
	It's not a forever thing, it's just a certain circumstance.
	We have some chats we have to get to, but first we're going to play the bow video.
	So, God, what is this?
	We're going to play bow video version one and version two.
	Andrew doesn't like version two, at least the second half of it, but we're going to play that.
	We have a couple chats while he's getting that pulled up.
	Realistic Heart says a wife being submissive is born out of the fact that the highest form of love is a verb, not an emotion.
	A wife being submissive is born out of the fact that the highest form of love is a verb, not an emotion.
	By the way, she agrees.
	That was in her bio.
	She said that your love language is doing shit for people, right?
	So, shouldn't your love language being to do shit for the man?
	I definitely do.
	Yeah, I cook, I clean, I don't say no to intercourse ever.
	What?
	Swear to God.
	Not be disobeying.
	If my ex is watching, if anybody who's dated me is watching, go ahead and message.
	Yeah, if you're taking care of shit, well, but that's also biblical.
	But the husband's also not supposed to deny the wife's appetite either.
	So that's correct.
	All right, let's play the bow video.
	Go ahead.
	All right.
	This is my ex-girlfriend, by the way.
	Boom, huge, huge bow.
	Did you see that?
	That was a big bow.
	This is my apartment.
	She's, you know, the bed's kind of fucked up, but, you know, whatever.
	Doing the laundry and dinner ready.
	Dinner ready.
	All good to go.
	Get home from a long podcast day to my apartment, very long podcast day.
	She's got the beer ready, the noodles ready, the meat ready.
	I scolded her about the tomatoes.
	That's why would you just have tomatoes like that?
	And then you're going to play it once more.
	Go ahead, just the beginning part.
	And boom, huge bow.
	Did you see the bow?
	Is that something you make her do?
	Like, is that make her?
	I don't know the backstory on this.
	And there might be other viewers who don't.
	Is that something that you require?
	No, that, you know what?
	That's what I've required for like, you know, my other girls, girlfriends that I've had.
	Singular, not plural.
	But, You know, I do have to say, you know, the bow, that one for that one came naturally.
	But other shit, yeah, you gotta instruct.
	Gotta give a bit of a, hey, this is what I need.
	So you do, so what you need is for them to bow when you get home?
	Indeed.
	That is fucking wild.
	So then I take back my answer.
	No, I would not date.
	I would not date Brian.
	That is just.
	Why is that?
	That's fucking weird.
	Why is that weird?
	It's like degrading.
	You can't.
	Have you ever sucked a guy's dick on the first date?
	Uh-huh.
	Yeah, we dated for two and a half years.
	Oh, only one?
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	I really like that.
	So modern women will, they won't cook, they won't clean, they won't do anything.
	I'll do every other thing.
	Stop fucking interrupting.
	Holy shit.
	They won't cook.
	They won't clean.
	They won't do a totally benign, innocent gesture, but within 30 minutes of meeting a guy, you'll let him splunk on your face.
	Explain to me, explain to me how me wanting a woman to bow is insane, but you will let a man literally come inside you on the first date.
	Okay, first of all, that's such a drastic.
	Okay.
	How is that drastic?
	Women fuck men within 30 minutes.
	Women all the time.
	You guys fuck men immediately, all the time.
	You let them do all kinds of sexual acts.
	So what are you talking about?
	Because you're talking to me, not women.
	You've done it.
	You just admitted you've done it yourself.
	Because I did it once when I was like 19.
	Don't believe this at all, but go ahead.
	In the chat, if y'all know me, get in the chat.
	You think women don't have casual sex?
	I think women do.
	I'm talking about me.
	I would not.
	I've never had casual sex.
	Not anytime recently in the last meeting.
	But you've had casual sex.
	10 years of my life.
	And also, I would do every other part of that.
	Huh?
	I would do every other part of that.
	You're like, women, women.
	Okay.
	Why wouldn't you bow?
	I thought you were submissive.
	Who said that?
	Didn't you say you were submissive?
	Yes.
	When did I say did I?
	Yeah.
	But then you just gaslighted.
	If I said that.
	You're kind of like this.
	You kind of move back and forth.
	You're like, yes, I'm submissive, but also I'm not, but yes, I am.
	I can be submissive.
	I'm okay with doing the cooking and the cleaning and taking care of everything so that you don't have to if you're working and stuff, but that to me just seems like a power trip degrading thing.
	It doesn't seem respectful.
	Do you want a man to propose to you?
	Yeah, I've been proposed to and never.
	I've been proposed to.
	Do you want to get married again?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	So you want a man to get down on one knee?
	He doesn't want to do that shit.
	And I don't even want a wedding or anything.
	Let's go to the courthouse.
	We don't have to do all the dramatic.
	Okay, a lot of women want that.
	Right, but we're not talking about them.
	I.
	Okay, so how's it degrading, though?
	To me, it would feel degrading.
	Well, because why do you want them to do it?
	How is that relevant?
	Why do the motivations have anything to do with whether you feel it's degrading or not?
	The motivations have everything to do with it.
	Okay, let's assume it was just kind of a quirky thing and he thought it was cute.
	Still degrading?
	No, but if it's like a.
	I guess if it's a, I don't know, if it's a requirement, then it's not a programme.
	Last episode, you admitted to being into BDSM?
	No, I said, I said I had to do it.
	Are you not into Dom subdynamics?
	No, not in my relationships.
	I said I tried out some domi shit when I was younger, just experimenting.
	And I was the Dom.
	Did you let a guy tie you up during sex?
	Yeah.
	During sex.
	I'm not going to come home immediately.
	You do realize that when it comes to BDSM, these dynamics can go beyond outside just the bedroom.
	Exactly.
	I'm not even saying that that's within the purview of BDSM, though.
	Sure.
	Necessarily.
	Well, but in regards to that, I don't want like a BDSM dynamic and outside of the world.
	So, okay, why is it degrading?
	The motivation, I guess.
	Maybe it's a requirement.
	Okay, let me.
	Would you want your boyfriend or husband to take a bullet for you?
	No.
	No.
	I would rather die.
	I don't want to have to live with that.
	You'll take the bullet then.
	Yeah.
	So you're checking the noise at night?
	Yes, actually, I do.
	I actually have a video just to get you.
	My house was just broken.
	Yes.
	Oh, bullshit.
	Yes, yes.
	I had men.
	Listen, my male, it's on video.
	I can prove it.
	There's a male neighbor and my male friend who happened to be at the house.
	And someone broke in, and I'm the one who came out with the strap.
	And they were sitting there like pussies.
	And I'm like, oh, my God, if you want to do something, you got to do it yourself.
	So yeah, I was the one who handled everything.
	Did they have, I mean, did they have straps?
	Yes.
	It was, I literally, yes, we're in the same house.
	They could have, yes.
	And actually, in the- You gotta stop hanging out with progressives.
	Dude, no, it's the neighbor.
	Okay, but this is not your man.
	I'm talking about when you're there with your man in your home.
	Are you checking the noise at night, really?
	Yes, because I wouldn't want him to die.
	I just don't believe that shit.
	That's like it's like up till now, I have believed the things that you said, but I don't think when you have a man at home, when the thing breaks downstairs, you're the one who gets up and goes and checks it out.
	That's just insane.
	Yes, I would, but only because.
	No, no, not I would, you do.
	I have.
	I have.
	And it's on, I have cameras all in my house.
	It's literally.
	No, that's a friend and a neighbor and some shit.
	I'm talking about your man.
	Okay, if we're talking about my man, I'd be even more inclined to because when I love somebody, like, I love them so much, I don't want to live after they're dead.
	Like, that would just be so like gut-wrenchingly grief-inducing.
	Like, very genuinely, I would probably rather be the one.
	I mean, that day She-Ra.
	You go check out the noises at night.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	And he lets them out together.
	And they let you.
	They're like, okay, yeah.
	You know what?
	That actually does sound like maybe you should let her get a bite with the vow because if there's a noise at night, you just go, oh, I'm going back to sleep.
	Go check it out.
	Hope you don't die.
	I think we should check it out together.
	Yeah, skip the vow and she checks out all noises.
	I think that's a good trade.
	I'll accept the trade.
	I'll accept the trade.
	Wait, okay, really quick on that, though.
	Can we pull up the thing that I sent in the private chat?
	Oh, sorry, I didn't mean to click off that.
	Okay.
	Am I the asshole for considering breaking up with me?
	My fiancé because he ran away when we were being attacked.
	Scroll down just a bit.
	So my fiancé, the fiancé is 24 male, and I am a 24 female.
	Have been dating for six years.
	He proposed to me a few months ago, which was the happiest moment of my life.
	We said our wedding date for this December, blah, blah.
	Oh, my God.
	Prattle.
	Okay.
	However, after what happened last night, I'm seriously considering breaking up with my fiancé and I'm unsure if I'm an asshole.
	My fiancé, my brother, and I were all walking back to our car.
	Wrap the rouchi donated $69.010.
	Number one, no, no, no.
	STF you, please.
	Okay, thank you.
	Rachel, you're too old to be talking shit.
	Stop being a pick-me.
	Anyway.
	That's not Rachel.
	I know, but I see that.
	Oh, in the super chats?
	Oh, yeah, pull that one up really quick.
	She was a stripper, but a polite bow to a man who loves her is degrading.
	LOL.
	We know why she is divorced.
	Have you been picked yet in your old age?
	You wait.
	Have you been picked yet in your old age?
	Look at her.
	Have you been picked yet in your old age?
	No?
	Okay.
	Oh, my God.
	I wish Andrew was here right now.
	This is Andrew's wife.
	Oh, fuck.
	I guess she has been picked.
	You have three different baby daddies, though, right?
	Bruh.
	Okay.
	Well, bruh, don't, you know, to be fair.
	Aren't you like an ex-sex worker?
	No, I was never like outside.
	Like, did I fuck for money?
	No.
	Hand to God.
	Ex-stripper.
	You dance on stage.
	And I also only danced on stage like topless.
	Did you do BG content?
	No.
	You didn't do any BG content on your.
	The only content I ever did was with a boyfriend.
	She wasn't a prostitute if you were.
	The only content that I did was with my boyfriend, but mostly just solo posts.
	Also, even if Rachel was a pick-me, she got picked by Andrew, who's a great guy.
	I've been picked too.
	What the fuck does me being a stripper have to do with bowing?
	I don't get this whole pick-me thing.
	Don't you, like, there's this, don't you want to be picked?
	I mean, don't doesn't everybody want to be picked?
	Okay, I don't know.
	If you're introverted, it's not a necessity.
	Thank you, Rachel.
	Rude.
	Yeah, it's degrading.
	It is degrading.
	Okay, so.
	My fiancé, my brother, and I were all walking back to our car from dinner at a nice restaurant.
	The car was parked pretty far away as the place was packed, so we had to walk quite some distance.
	It was late at night.
	As we were walking, a person in a bike came to the side of us and stopped us and demanded we give everything we had.
	My fiancé panicked and just ran away.
	But my brother, after talking to the man for a couple minutes, just the attacked, just attacked the man.
	Long story short, my brother beat him up.
	The man had no weapon.
	It was just a fake gun.
	I called my fiancé after that and told him everything was fine and that we would pick him up.
	My fiancé still seemed a bit shaken, but I explained to him everything was all right.
	And my fiancé thanked my brother a lot.
	However, I just felt extremely weird and sort of disappointed that my fiancé just ran away.
	I understand it was natural instinct, but seeing my brother take the attacker down in comparison to my fiancé just running away, I just feel like I lost a lot of love for my fiancé after last night.
	I spoke with my brother this morning to get his opinion.
	He said I should still give my fiancé a chance.
	Fiancé loves me.
	And what happened last night is not a normal occurrence.
	However, I told him I just got a massive ick and I don't think this ick will ever go away.
	Scroll down a little bit.
	Oh, well, so scroll up.
	Sorry, there's an update.
	You're going to click on the update link to update that one.
	Okay.
	Oh, well, okay.
	In any case, she two days later calls off the wedding.
	Okay.
	So this is a phenomenon where if women see their men being cowards or not being prepared to defend them, a lot of women don't give their men a pass in that situation.
	And I agree.
	Related to the bullet question.
	No, right.
	I would want my partner to go downstairs, but I'm just saying, like, if it's like my husband, yeah, I'm going to, I would rather die for him.
	But, but yeah, I'm also going to think he's a pussy if he doesn't get up and go towards it.
	Would you date a pussy?
	Kind of double sticking.
	If we're already married, like, okay, would you date a pussy?
	Would you live without your partner?
	Would you date a pussy?
	Are you attracted to pussies?
	No, and that's why I wouldn't date the people at the house.
	However, I'm just saying if I'm already married to you, I would die for you.
	Yes.
	But I will say, I was at, and I don't ever go out, but we went out the other night and there was like a big fight that happened at this bar and like the ex automatically like pushed me behind him and it was so hot.
	So I get it.
	I get it.
	Oh my God.
	I'm not saying there's, I'm not disputing.
	You should have jumped in front of him and been like, yeah, why didn't you?
	Well, because you've gotten in your best Irish thoughts.
	I didn't know what the fuck was going on.
	It took me a second.
	And by that time, there's like seven people on it.
	So I think it is attractive.
	I think a man should want to.
	But me personally, if I'm already in the relationship and I love you, like I really love you, I don't want you to die.
	Like.
	Yeah, we.
	Nobody's disputing that part.
	Nobody's disputing that you would have a preference that you continued with your dude.
	But this is now an impossible standard.
	So the standard is now.
	Yeah, you know, I would prefer to go do it.
	But if I do, you're now so demasculated that I'm unattracted to you.
	No, no, no.
	I wouldn't be demasculated.
	Like, at that point, I'd be dead.
	In this situation.
	Well, first of all, maybe not.
	Maybe you survive the encounter.
	No, no, no.
	If it's like a serious situation, like if it's just a fight or something, I want them to protect me and I would want them to want to protect me.
	No, there's a noise at night.
	You go down, you got your strap, right?
	You're all strapped up.
	You go down there, you handle business.
	I'm not saying he shouldn't come with me.
	I'm just saying if it came down to it and I noticed dude was about to pull a trigger, I probably would jump in front of it.
	Leaving leaving your kids behind.
	With someone that I trust, yeah.
	You're gonna read this, Rachel Ross.
	I have a response for you.
	Okay.
	I mean, I'll debate anybody and I'm not afraid to lose.
	But the comment is about stripping and like not wanting to bow to a partner.
	Like being a stripper does not make you submissive.
	If anything, you're kind of like doming every dude in the room and they're simping for you and giving you money because you're pretty.
	So it would totally correlate to me not wanting to bow to a man, if anything.
	No, it's just a form of prostitution.
	It's a form of submission.
	You're accepting monetary gain to give them whatever it is that they want.
	It's literally an ultimate form of submission, in fact.
	And you'll do it.
	I don't know if you're doing it.
	You'll do it just for monetary gain.
	I think it's submissive that you want to see titty stuff.
	I have to allow the rest of the panel in here.
	Okay.
	So the article that we just read, your response to that, what would you do if you're in the woman's situation?
	I would probably get the ick too.
	But I don't know.
	I don't think that's.
	Oh, okay.
	Yo, stay safe.
	Yo, stay safe.
	Thank you for the big raid, man.
	I hope you had a good stream.
	Really appreciate it.
	By the way, stay safe.
	I saw that video that you did where you set up this Trump rally in World of Warcraft.
	I watched that.
	I think it was either today or yesterday.
	That was quite funny.
	Now I want to see it.
	Yeah, he did.
	Was it Alliance or Horde, though?
	Alliance.
	Yeah, well, but we all know it would be Horde who would set up a Trump rally.
	I don't know.
	I mean, Alliance, you know.
	Interesting.
	He does play.
	I agree with that.
	Yeah, it has to be the Horde.
	Classic or retail?
	Retail.
	And classic.
	Okay.
	I've been playing since 08, so both are good.
	Dope.
	Yo, stay safe.
	Thank you very much for the raid once again.
	Just really quick question for the entire panel.
	Would you guys date a man who played a female gnome warlock with pink hair?
	Sure, I don't know.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Lower the volume.
	Yes.
	No.
	No.
	I don't know what any of that means.
	Oh, it's okay.
	Video game character.
	Video game stuff.
	Yo, stay safe.
	Thank you for the raid, man.
	Really appreciate it.
	Really quick, why don't you pull up Twitch really quick?
	And then we'll get the rest of the reactions on this.
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	Ooh, that's okay.
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	thank you thank you thank you oh did not mean to ah what the fuck Sorry, I didn't.
	I fat-fingered that.
	scuffed.
	Here, that's like a...
	That's me.
	That's me.
	I fucked up.
	That was my bad.
	All right.
	Like the video, guys.
	TTS is 200.
	We were going around the table.
	the reaction to the article?
	I think we, you were.
	Oh yeah.
	Um.
	I would probably get the ick just because I like the traditional values and gender roles.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	I would be so disappointed, but with my partner, personally, I wouldn't leave him because I just chalk it up to wow.
	It was a weak moment.
	What about you?
	I would have gotten the ick at the fact that it took him six years to propose.
	Well, that's not really material to the question that I'm asking.
	And yes, also the age of the public.
	I appreciate the extraneous opinion on that.
	Also, yes, it's him running away.
	Yes, definitely would leave someone like that.
	Because if they can't defend you, then they can't defend your family.
	I mean, isn't that kind of a man's place too?
	Yeah, I agree with what she said.
	I think also marriage is a lifelong commitment.
	So if we were just engaged at that point and I was having second thoughts, I would reconsider.
	And then we do need to go back to the bow video.
	You were giving your reaction.
	You thought it was degrading.
	You saw the bow video.
	would you bow for your man your thoughts on um i mean i i mean i would because like i think like that's just like i don't know like i I would do it.
	But I don't think that's a normal thing in a relationship.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Do you think it's a normal thing in a relationship to have OnlyFans?
	No, not at all.
	Oh, but you have OnlyFans?
	Yeah.
	Oh, okay.
	Just checking.
	What about you?
	Would you do a bow for your boyfriend?
	For mine, yeah.
	But nobody else.
	If anybody else asked me to do that, I would be completely turned off.
	Well, like, so you guys broke up, and then you started dating this new guy.
	You guys have been together for three months.
	What are you down to hit the bow?
	You wouldn't do it?
	Depends on the person.
	What do you mean?
	Like, depends on if I...
	You're dating them.
	You like them, I assume.
	Yeah, if I feel like bowing, I guess.
	What do you mean?
	Like, but so would you feel like bowing?
	For my man, yes.
	For nobody else, no.
	Okay, so if you broke up with your current guy and you were dating a new guy for three months, the answer is yes, you would bow for him?
	Probably not.
	Wait, okay.
	One more time, just we missed it.
	Probably not, no.
	Six months?
	A year?
	Maybe like a year and a half.
	I don't know.
	That's a year and a half.
	Okay, so if the guy, if a guy were to, do you want a guy to be a provider?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	So if he was like, well, I'm going to wait a year and a half to provide for you and pay for dates, would you date a guy like that?
	Maybe.
	Because after a year and a half, you start to see people's flaws more.
	You see more of like the grosser things that they do.
	And I mean, okay, so let me ask you a question.
	Do you want a guy to pay, a guy asked you out on the first date?
	Do you want him to pay for the first date?
	That's unrealistic for a guy to pay for the first date.
	I mean, if he's going on dates with a bunch of different people, how many dates is he paying for?
	So I would understand him not paying, but I think anybody would want to be paid for, even like, I mean, would you want to be paid for by anybody as a treat?
	You know, get a really nice meal.
	Sure.
	Yeah.
	But there are different gender expectations on men and women.
	But so my understanding, though, here is if you went on a date with a guy and he asked for the date and the waiter comes and he says two checks, no problem.
	Yeah, no problem, I guess.
	That's fine because I do believe that that's your position.
	But a lot of women would have an issue with that.
	They would say, for example, there wouldn't be a second date if a man didn't pay for the first.
	But maybe that's not, not every woman has that standard.
	I just want to confirm that that is.
	If there's chemistry and you guys can both feel the chemistry right away, sometimes people need to take time, you know, to get feelings for each other, but I'm saying, like, if well, let's assume there's assuming even if there was no chemistry, whether he paid or didn't would be irrelevant, right?
	I don't think so.
	I think that if there's chemistry.
	Well, now we're having a set.
	Now we're having a separate conversation: would you have a second date with a man if there was a lack of chemistry?
	No.
	So I would be fine paying and just leaving, you know, because there's no problem.
	I feel like we're getting a little off track, but so just to confirm, you got chemistry with this guy, but he says two checks.
	Are you okay with that?
	I guess so, yeah.
	But you're not going to be able to do that.
	Why the hesitation?
	I'm confused.
	Because I want to be provided for, like, deep down, you know.
	But I also want to provide in my own ways, like, at home for somebody.
	I want to be able to take care of somebody too, you know?
	But, okay, so I'm getting a little of an ambiguity here.
	Yeah, I'm not sure because I'm not dating right now.
	But.
	Well, yeah, but I'm trying to put you in the hypothetical.
	So if you were dating and the guy said two checks, would that be a negative mark?
	Would it be a total deal breaker?
	No, like if there was chemistry, it would not be a deal breaker.
	But if it be, sorry, go ahead.
	No, wait, what?
	No, go ahead.
	You're fine.
	Go ahead.
	It wouldn't be a deal breaker if there was chemistry.
	But I would also be like, I would wonder if he was interested too at the same time.
	He tells you he's interested, but he's a 50-50 guy.
	50-50?
	Oh, 50-50 guy.
	Yeah, that's why he's asking for two checks.
	I might try a few more dates out.
	And he's going to remain 50-50 for the entirety and duration of your relationship.
	Not so much.
	Yeah.
	Well, can you actually tell us what your answer is?
	Yeah, I wouldn't be so excited.
	Probably wouldn't do it.
	Probably not.
	He said, I won't be a provider until a year and a half into our relationship.
	And you bow.
	Maybe there's other parts of the relationship that we want to explore, though, first, besides.
	You mean like sex and getting you pregnant within the first week?
	That was different.
	For him, the first week.
	Yeah.
	I mean, all of the people I had dated before then, I had waited quite a while, like a few months.
	But when you know, you know.
	Okay, would you do the bow?
	If we've been dating for a little while, yeah, probably.
	If you've been dating for a little while, probably.
	Wouldn't be like, I wouldn't just do it right away.
	Okay.
	Somebody I just met.
	Okay.
	And then if a guy didn't want to pay for the first date right away, is that okay?
	No.
	It's not okay.
	So how long after dating would you have to do the bow?
	I guess once it's if it's once it's been made exclusive.
	Okay, after exclusivity.
	Okay.
	Your reaction to the bow video, would you do it for a man?
	I would rather split a mortgage than bow.
	You'd rather I'd rather split the cost of a mortgage or a rent than bow.
	I'll get the plates.
	I'll come back there and deal with it.
	Just a little bit of feminism in there, is there?
	It's not feminism to me.
	This is actually just a matter of mutual respect, and I don't think that a bow is necessary.
	I think there are other ways of showing respect and admiration for your partner.
	But you would rather go and get a job and split the mortgage rather than give a submissive gesture.
	Well, I already have a job.
	So, let us assume you didn't.
	You would still rather go get one and get a mortgage rather than show a single submissive gesture?
	Well, that's not how the question was posed because there could be other submissive gestures that aren't bowing.
	Well, what?
	We're not in the 1800s of medieval times.
	Would you curtsy?
	Everything's relative to the time we're 24.
	Would you curtsy?
	I might curtsy.
	Curtsy is different than a bow.
	Would you curtsy?
	Maybe, because that's feminine.
	Bow is like.
	Bows like your kneeling is what you do for like the kings or a god.
	Well, I think there's plenty of women who kneel and they think it's plenty feminine, just saying.
	Well, I think that there's a large quantity of them, I would say.
	In fact, I would even go so far as to say that the motion for this particular activity is very bowish, isn't it?
	It's very bowing.
	So just saying, well, I don't understand how you just do that but can't show the submission sign, right?
	It's so weird to me.
	Oh, my God.
	Are you really.
	I think there's other forms of submission that you're responding to questions and no, I don't want the bow.
	I want the curtsy.
	I think that's twice as degrading.
	I think it's twice as degrading.
	No, no, no.
	That's literally, that's saying not only that, you're feminine, but your station is below me.
	The bow is just mutual respect.
	Men bow to each other all the time.
	It seems a little blasphemous to me.
	Blasphemy?
	Yeah, it seems a little fucking weird.
	What's blasphemous about bowing?
	I'm not bowing to anybody but God.
	Really?
	And just want to make sure because you like that biblical marriage thing, right?
	Hey, I will marry an atheist.
	So that I just make the arguments based off of because I'm talking to you.
	And I know that you're religious.
	And I am too, but I'm like a new, I'm like a baby Christian.
	So that doesn't factor into every conversation that I have ever.
	So you don't follow Christian ethics?
	Yes.
	Okay, and what's the entailment of Christian ethics?
	You want me to, like, list the commandments?
	Well, I just want to know, if you're following Christian ethics, then you're following the teachings of Jesus Christ and his apostles and the teachings of the original Church of Jesus, right?
	Okay.
	Is that correct?
	I mean, I don't keep the Sabbath on Saturday, you know?
	Yeah, I do.
	Sure.
	Pizza, Pizza, Pizza, Pizza.
	Is he about to hit us?
	Is he about to hit us for five, six, seven?
	Yeah, so I'm just wondering if you follow Christian ethics or not.
	Because if you do, the idea is you are supposed to obey.
	Calvin Sam donated $20.
	They have a problem bowing, but wants men to pull chairs out and hold it.
	Where did you get that?
	Yeah, yeah, I know.
	I'm not getting into the chivalry thing, but just on this, you're supposed to obey your husband as you would unto the Lord, right?
	Yeah, but he wouldn't be my husband.
	Because he wanted you to bow.
	Also, like, why do you have to cuss when you're talking to me all the time?
	Like, you can talk to me like a human.
	You don't have to cuss.
	No, not you.
	No, no.
	The conversation is about Brian.
	We're going to burn him.
	In the context of, like, this all started with the would you date him?
	And I said no because of the bow thing.
	But that's reflective of other shit, like the.
	Why are you bitching about Brian?
	Who cares?
	I'm talking about British.
	This is what all of this is about.
	Okay, just in general?
	Yeah, I'm asking you a question.
	Okay, like, would I marry you if you asked me to bow for you?
	Yeah, what's the problem with the bow exactly?
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	It's degrading.
	What's the degradation exactly?
	Because what is it?
	It's showing that you're not equal, right?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	It's a sign of submission.
	Right, but you're also like two parts of one whole in Christianity.
	And you have a head.
	No, no, no, you're submissive.
	The body's submissive to the head.
	But why you can be submissive without.
	Oh, thank you.
	You can be submissive without bowing.
	I'm not understanding.
	Like, what the fuck is the motivation?
	I actually, like, really want to know.
	Is it a kink thing?
	Because he wants to see you do it.
	It's a kink thing.
	Again, we're back to this leadership model of, sure, you can lead when I want you to.
	I guess I just wouldn't.
	No, no, no.
	I guess I just wouldn't be attracted to somebody like that to begin with.
	Who wanted you to bow?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Just.
	I'm glad somebody else fucking went to the bottom.
	Not in that context.
	Jesus Christ.
	God.
	Well, I mean, it's just a.
	No, I would even maybe do it sexually.
	Like, I would maybe even roleplay.
	I'm not fucking helmeting you every time you come to me.
	It's just a whole lot of feminism.
	Like, the whole idea is just any form of submission is so heavily resisted.
	It's just so heavily resisted, but it's like nobody has any good reasons for why it's heavily resisted other than they just don't like it.
	Johnny Spiral donated $20.
	Bow down before the one you serve.
	You're going to get what you deserve.
	Bow down before the one you serve.
	You're going to get what you deserve.
	Sincerely, Johnny Spiral.
	Hi, Andrew.
	Hi, John.
	Dylan Joe donated $20.
	Imagine refusing to shake someone's hand.
	That's pretty funny.
	Andrew.
	Didn't.
	Okay, this is like off-topic, but didn't some girl like shake her ass in someone's face on this podcast because you didn't shake her hand or something?
	What?
	Yeah, that's what I was telling you about earlier.
	What?
	Wait, you asked me.
	By the way, TTS, TTS.
	She wanted a high five or something, and I refused.
	Just while the little backer ass up to my face, it's very disrespectful.
	That's super disrespectful.
	$20 TTS, guys, while we do the pizza roast intermission.
	20 tts if you guys want um and then we'll i know there's some chats that we're waiting on what we'll We'll get those done.
	Also, guys, I got a hot dog too.
	Did you get a burrito?
	No burrito.
	One day.
	Kennedy's convertible donated $20.
	Men are the head in a Christian relationship.
	Women should submit.
	So is it a kink thing for you?
	A what?
	Is it a kink thing?
	What do you mean?
	Like, I don't know.
	Is it?
	To respect me.
	Or is it just like a humorous thing?
	Is it a bit?
	No bowing but donated $19.99.
	But we have to address why is sexual submission fine, but submission in a regular relationship isn't.
	Because it's a moment, not the overall dynamic.
	A bow takes three seconds.
	Right, but it reflects an overall dynamic.
	Like, and also, like, I don't really care about sexually submitting.
	Like, if it's a kink thing and we're about to hook up, you know, whatever.
	I'm experimental.
	But, um.
	Outcast donated $20.
	A man walks into a bar.
	He says, who wants to have sex with me?
	A woman walks into a bar full of men and says, who wants to have sex with me?
	Who do you think get the best results?
	Blazing Dunes donated $20.
	Woman gets the best.
	Get some personal fitness trainer.
	3345 Andrew 6 Brian 4.
	How many slices did you eat?
	BTS.
	Seat 1 can't handle the truth.
	Just Gerald donated $20.
	A stripper gets nude for strangers.
	And lets them put money in their underwear with unwashed hands.
	But the bow is degrading.
	That life wasn't.
	Yo, Gerald, thank you, man.
	Rob Frunderscore PSA donated $20.
	No, major.
	I don't see pineapple on the pizza.
	No mage thing to do.
	Hey, you know.
	Fortunately, Costco doesn't have pineapple pizza.
	I gotta be respectful towards Andrew, you know.
	Oh, wait, fuck.
	Lawpans, I gotta pull these up before they disappear.
	Law Paladins donated 100 B, whatever happened to that daily call a guest that no showed a couple weeks ago.
	Can we not get a name drop on a flaky person since you didn't before?
	Good luck on the frivolous and vexatious lawsuit.
	Yo, thank you, La Paladins.
	I think you mean Daily Wire.
	Oh, Dr. Howie.
	Why does Helen Keller blank with one hand so she can moan with the other?
	Enjoy the pizza.
	You guys are doing great work.
	Thank you.
	Appreciate it.
	I might have missed one of yours, Dan.
	I'm sorry.
	Keep telling yourself that, number five, but no man is intimidated by you.
	Your personality is off-putting.
	You're indoctrinated and don't even realize it.
	You act slash argue slash behave like a man.
	Do you want a response?
	Law Paladins misread my statement.
	Rachel Wilson donated $20.
	In traditional churches, we bow and kiss the priest's hand.
	Respect for hierarchy is not blasphemy.
	But grinding for an estranger's boner is sinful.
	It's not blasphemy by definition.
	Andrew's ashtray donated $20.
	We need some merch with Brian's face.
	Stop effing, interrupting, and kindly speak into the F in Mike.
	Also, can confirm chair one gives phenomenal throat.
	No gag reflex in sight.
	Alisha Phillips donated $20.
	Feminism must die.
	Bow to your man.
	Uh...
	What?
	Just a hot dog?
	Hey underscore, you donated $20.
	Andrew, can you speak to the biblical responsibilities of a Christian husband and father as head of household beyond working full time?
	Dariel underscore Frank Castle 512 donated $20.
	So basically chair one is saying she'll bow down if you're CCKS out.
	If you get that far Panos donated $20.
	Asian people bog to each other all the time.
	I guess they degrade themselves daily.
	Is that what it was?
	Do they degrade?
	Do Asian people degrade themselves?
	Trish donated $50.
	A woman walks into a bar and says, Brian, check your messages.
	I think the cultural relevance matters.
	I'm not Asian.
	I don't live in Asia.
	Tiberius donated $20.
	None of these women are traditional because Andrew was the last one to receive his pizza.
	That's true.
	That is true.
	Rude.
	Very rude.
	Daniel Nosseri donated $20.
	Stop heating into the damn microphone.
	Oh, my bad.
	It sounds like you're all sucking on a D.
	The irony is that this single stripper mom will let you do anything to her, but only if you submit to her.
	Kennedy's convertible donated $20.
	Hey, Brain.
	I can't wait to see you eat that hot dog.
	Nice and slow for me, big boy.
	What the fuck?
	To Totoria's credit, she did ask while we were back there if she could help out with her.
	Raven is back, donated $19.99.
	My raven-haired lady with a nice peach has returned.
	One of the best guests on the show ever.
	You got the brains and booty.
	Smile fantastic back and forth when you're around.
	Can you read it?
	She a three, zero, four, no money, no mo.
	I don't know.
	You got got you in the hole, still sucking out more max.
	I don't know what the fuck that was.
	I guess it was a song lyric.
	No idea.
	Thank you, John.
	Robbie had donated $20.
	Alexa Jones, girl with deep voice, can you say the water is turning the frogs?
	Didn't do it.
	Didn't do it.
	What?
	I don't even know what that's wrong.
	Bucky lost donated $21.
	Brian, your fat belly won't get smaller from eating the pizza.
	Stop being a fatty and get on the stairmaster.
	That's a good idea.
	Dariel underscore Frank Castle 512 donated $20.
	Can you imagine Chair 5 trying to talk to you while having a sex with that deep voice?
	No wonder she's single.
	She turned into the man she wanted and couldn't get.
	I bet you that guy's not even a man.
	Brian's chair donated $20.
	Help me, help me.
	Don't let him eat another weenie.
	Oh my god.
	Okay.
	Thank you, Brian's chair.
	Like that Costco family.
	Framework Engineer donated $20.
	Imagine refusing to bow because it's humiliating when your body is available for 3.99 on only fans.
	Andrew getting his dinner paid for by a man in California again.
	I don't have a lot of people.
	Snake.
	He's going to be mad.
	Roth Underscore PSA donated $20.
	Nipple piercings can be used as a slingshot to take out an intruder, but you have to be accurate.
	Aim for the eye.
	Yes, that's good advice.
	Never thought of them as weapons before.
	Thank you, Roth.
	Do you run the banter?
	Sir Bibbington donated $20.
	Watching this girl tear her pizza to eat is far more degrading than a bone.
	You tore your fucking...
	Yeah, she did.
	She tore me.
	I did say I have a touch of the tism, to be fair.
	Unacceptable.
	Unacceptable.
	An idiot, what about sexual submission to the state from each accord to their ability to each according to need?
	What's wrong with a two-baby IVF conscription for with those with the ability fuck communism?
	Okay, then Lou Keg donated $20.
	Chair 1 literally said she did boy girl content on online vans and then tried to say she wasn't a prostitute or pick me.
	You have sex on camera so old men can give you money.
	You are the ultimate pick me.
	Dylan Joe donated $20.
	Ephesians 5 22 to 24.
	A luscious young strumpet named Troll has a crotch that is many a man's gold.
	Most clients go cratside, though some prefer backside she charges the same either hole.
	Damn.
	Costco pizza donated $20.
	How many feminists does it take to fix the plumbing?
	Three.
	One to call a man to do it, and two to complain about how he's oppressing them.
	True.
	Sons of Liberty donated $20.
	Thank you, man.
	Use two hands on that whiner Whiner?
	Is that the hot dog technique?
	HXCXTR donated $20 Brian, it would have been hilarious If Andrew was the only one who got a Hawaiian pizza That's such a great idea That would be the last time you can eat.
	That would be the last time I was on whatever.
	Termiatops 4 donated $20.
	Proverbs 21:9: It is better to live in a corner of the housetop than in a house shared with a quarrelsome wife.
	Chair 1, learn more Christian ethics and become a good wife.
	Read your Bible, submit.
	Blazing Dunes donated $20.
	Brian, want to make money fast?
	Burrito Roast would make fast money.
	Also, remember, when you debate the master, you will always lose.
	Andrew always has the high ground.
	Yes, Star Wars ref. Johnny Spiral donated $20.
	Thank you, Johnny.
	Hey, Brain, ask these girls why they think it's so degrading to want to submit and take care of their men.
	Yet the man is expected to provide financially and provide a sense of security.
	Ray Baruchi donated $20.
	Do it.
	Order 66.
	Do it.
	Execute order 66.
	Is that like a pineapple pizza or was that?
	you don't know star wars warcraft nerd brian i ordered your whatever hoodie and it was expected september 24th Stop eating, eating burritos and fulfill my order.
	You fat fuck.
	Yeah, it's our merch is through this company called Spring.
	They handle all the fulfillment.
	We don't do it.
	If I don't know if I've already been talking to you, sorry.
	Mouthful.
	Pizza.
	If you don't receive your order by Monday of next week, email me or DM me.
	I'll get on their case.
	I don't know if there's been some issues with their shipping recently, so I'll take care of it.
	There's some more coming through.
	King Blackout donated $20.
	Wow, Brian.
	Wow.
	Pizza and hot dogs.
	Be careful, the burritos are going to get jealous.
	Where do you go with your winer with one hand but two hands with the burritos?
	D-Gen. Lucas donated $50.
	So, I work 12 to 14 hours a day.
	Am a partner at a huge NYC law firm.
	Make seven figures per year.
	Just imagine me having to come home to a willful, quarrelsome woman like Chair One.
	Thank God for my Gen X wife.
	Hey, so Lucas, I'll, you know, I got some legal things going on if you wanna do a little pro bono work, you know what I mean?
	New York City, big law firm.
	What kind of law?
	Okay, thank you, man.
	North Alberta kid donated $20.
	I hear there is a correlation between deep voices and big labies.
	Brian, Chair 1 is sexy and smart.
	She is the devil.
	She is evil and will be sitting.
	The power of Christ compels you.
	Daniel Noteri donated $20.
	Send to deep voice.
	I was once in Thailand and was convinced the woman I was enjoying my time with was indeed a woman.
	Boy, was I in for a surprise.
	Do you think I haven't heard that I have a deep voice?
	I don't care. I don't care. I don't care. I don't care. I don't care.
	All the lady apes ran from King Kong for his dong was unspeakably long, but a friendly giraffe quaffed his yard and a half and ecstatically burst into song.
	Mmm. Mmm.
	Z-X-Ring-E-X-T- Donated $20.
	Girl in blue, message me, single dad of two, homeowner, small business owner.
	No need to bow, but if you and the kids were waiting by the door after work, it would be gold.
	That one guy donated $20.
	I'm currently going through to and told my mom about your take, Andrew, about women coming to the church, and she said that's BS and legit.
	The next class, a young girl said she was rebellious when she was young.
	Dariel underscore Frank Castle 512 donated $20.
	Chair 2 is definitely voting for Carmela.
	Chair 6 looks like her husband dressed her with his cowboy fit.
	Chair 5, I've been married 18 years, 3 kids, and sole provider in my house.
	Nice try, though.
	I paused them temporarily.
	So we're gonna go back to the show.
	I'll allow a few more to trickle through, but Johnny Spiral donated $20.
	Put that got dog into the front.
	We'll go back to the back.
	Squirt a little mustard on it.
	What the fuck?
	Put in your mouth nice and slow.
	So juicy.
	So big.
	That's crazy.
	So red.
	That's crazy.
	Such a good doggy.
	Good little doggy.
	What the?
	Sincerely, Johnny Spiral.
	What the fuck?
	Incoming call for Desmond donated $20.
	My sprinkler goes like this and comes back like this What happened to Maddie?
	Lincoln's box seats donated $20.
	Brian, swallow your food.
	Tons of fun.
	I can hear you getting fatter.
	You 3-0-4 would literally suck on from the back rather than hitting the bow.
	Shame.
	King Blackout donated $20.
	Thank you, King.
	To the linebacker with the blonde wig in the back, please say the water is turning the frogs gay.
	Do it.
	Wait, do it.
	Absolutely not.
	She doesn't know the original reference.
	An Alex Jones reference.
	Yeah, no, no, no.
	Frogs.
	Okay.
	Wicked Wally donated $20.
	Guys, guys, I'll let them come in, but we gotta move on.
	Gotta move on, please.
	Gotta move on.
	Thank you, Wally.
	Brian's next lawsuit donated $20.
	So true.
	Brian, you're a shitty abuser.
	I'm abusive.
	How dare you feed your guests?
	They probably aren't even chained to the table.
	Andrew, you monster.
	Damn you and your civility.
	Way out of line.
	Dylan Joe donated $20 to old King Montezuma.
	For fun, he would bugger a puma.
	The boomer in play clawed both balls away.
	How's that for animal humor?
	That was not the best one, though.
	The other ones were better.
	Frankenbecker donated $20.
	What would be worse, Andrew?
	I'll allow you to be aware of that.
	Brian looking mockingly into your eyes while two fisting a burrito or two slices of pineapple pizza.
	I'm gonna eat the pineapple pizza on this one, boys.
	Okay, guys, TTS is back up.
	If there's three more that trickle through, 304 Slayer donated 20.
	Brian, what do you prefer?
	A woman with 200 plus body count with big labia or a woman with 30 plus body count with barrel and plastic chest.
	That's hard.
	Well, I think on that one, like, if it's 30 to 200, who cares?
	Like, that's like, I mean, who cares at that point?
	Baby Allen Plastic Chest.
	It's like if someone's like, if a woman has 200 bodies under her versus a thousand, like, just who cares at that point?
	It's so many.
	It's still terrible, but I gotta a thousands, obviously.
	That's bad.
	Like, at 200, there's a chance she doesn't have herpes.
	At a thousand, Andrew, that bitch on some herpes medication.
	Okay, but if they were both clean, both clean?
	Yeah, but this kind of both clean.
	Both clean, yeah.
	Still grow.
	Still worse.
	Well, it's worse, but it's like 200 to 1,000 is like 200 to 500.
	It's like once you get up into the multitudes of hundreds, it's like, geez.
	It's just diminishing returns kind of.
	It's like a thousand versus two thousand.
	Definitely, I would say, I mean, 2,000 is still bad.
	That's an extra thousand dicks.
	That's an extra miles.
	That's like a mile of a mile of extra.
	You can forget the first thousand.
	Yeah, first thousand is still bad.
	Yeah, it's still.
	I'm not excusing it.
	All right, I'll let these last three come in, and then it's back.
	Sorry, Bri, not a litigator.
	Commercial real estate.
	Don't grimace, chair one.
	That's why you live on EBT and wifey is on driving a Ben's 500 SL.
	Roasted.
	That's the trade-off.
	She submits buck stops with me.
	Boom.
	Roasted.
	Bigger Better Bear donated $20.
	We'll set up debates with Andrew on evolution, shape of the earth, and biblical cosmology.
	Okay.
	Can you put the paper in the refrigerator in your moment?
	Put it in the refrigerator.
	Oh, okay.
	Whatever that means.
	All right, guys, I got to bump it back up.
	I got to bump it back up.
	It's now bumped.
	So that should be back set.
	Cool, guys.
	Appreciate all your support during the pizza roast session.
	Let's see where we're at here.
	Okay.
	Getting back into it, we were talking about the bow.
	She was wondering your motivations.
	Oh, wait.
	I need to.
	Hold on.
	Let me read these really quick.
	Realistic heart, the term bow in the context of a woman's role in a relation to a man can refer to a gesture of respect, courtesy, or greeting.
	Yo, realistic heart, thank you so much for the soup chat.
	Really appreciate it.
	Thank you, thank you.
	And let's see.
	And then I'll just, these are just below the threshold, guys.
	It had to have been through Streamlabs, but we will have them pulled up.
	So thank you guys.
	All right.
	The bow video.
	I don't know if we got.
	Did you give your take on the bow video?
	I don't know if we got to you.
	Would you bow for your man?
	He would never ask me to do that, my husband.
	If he did.
	I think I'd ask why.
	Plus, my husband is French.
	Anything akin to the French.
	Dane Snyder, cheerfully.
	I don't know.
	Sorry.
	Wait, what?
	That wouldn't have to be.
	Because of communism?
	No.
	I'm just making a joke about how the French overthrew their monarchy.
	And bowing is related to that.
	So you would not bow for your husband?
	I just, I just don't think he would ask me that.
	Yeah, throw over their monarchy for an emperor.
	An emperor, literally.
	It was just a joke.
	Yeah.
	So I get that your husband, you don't think he would ask this, but let's assume that he did.
	So far, both of us have been working.
	How is that relevant?
	Because I'm hearkening back to the conversation we had earlier about both the man and the woman working and how that would distribute, you know, I guess, subordinates from the woman's part.
	It would be, I think, more on par with the man if they're both working.
	And that's how my relationship has been thus far.
	But no, I don't.
	But you're Christian, though, right?
	Yeah, we're Catholic.
	But so are you not submissive to your husband?
	I am.
	But so how does what if you're submissive to your husband?
	I think bowing has a I think the connotation behind bowing can be seen as degrading.
	I just think based you're married, right?
	Yes.
	Did your husband get on one knee to propose to you?
	He did, yes.
	So he kneeled before you?
	Yes.
	How much did he spend on the wedding ring?
	I don't know.
	I did not ask him.
	That was pretty curious.
	Why don't you hold up your hand and show us your wedding ring?
	I don't know anything about wedding rings.
	It's a sapphire.
	Would you have been upset if he bought you a cubic zirconia?
	No.
	No?
	$10 wedding ring?
	Okay.
	In any case, he kneeled.
	He kneeled, right?
	Just curious, what's a bigger ask?
	A kneel or a bow?
	You kneel once to propose.
	No, no, no, just answer the question, though.
	A bow is worse.
	So, which is easier physically to do?
	A kneel or a bow?
	A bow.
	Kneeling, like, I don't know.
	Okay, so.
	Like, I guess there's different kinds of kneeling.
	Like, fully on the ground or like.
	If you have a bad back, kneeling is going to be way too much.
	No, because you're using your glutes and you're using squatting to support you, not your back.
	Lucas donated $200.
	And to round it all up, I'm Greek Orthodox as well, both of us by birth.
	So our household is highly patriarchal with actual cross-generational deference to my father and grandfather when alive.
	Interesting, Lucas.
	Interesting.
	By the way, grid one, or sorry, not grid one, it was lol paladins.
	I know you sent one in, and I think it was, I agree, that it just got pushed down.
	I agree, Chair Four.
	That's why you should DM after the show.
	I've only had sex with around 500 women, but I'm reformed now and looking to find a good Christian woman to settle down with.
	That's to you.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	Word.
	Okay.
	So.
	Wait, going back to Lucas, by the way, thank you for the TTS.
	Wait, so your husband kneeled.
	He kneeled.
	That's degrading.
	I think that's tradition, and I think that that's not.
	He's bowing.
	I don't think that that's a commonplace practice for women in our society.
	Wait, but tradition.
	When you're talking about traditions, what do you mean commonplace?
	Meaning that we're not brought up and accustomed to.
	I thank my husband in other ways, and I show him gratitude in other ways, but I don't think that.
	You mentioned like tradition.
	You're not brought up for tradition at all.
	Like, all of society is essentially railing against traditionalism at all times.
	No, but because I live a more traditional lifestyle with my husband and we do adhere to traditional values, and when a man proposes, he does usually get down on one knee.
	So that was something.
	But had he not done that, I would not have been upset.
	That was something he chose to do.
	I don't get this talk about tradition because women have totally forsaken their traditional expectations.
	So it's like women, even liberal, secular, atheist women, like still have their boot on men's neck when it comes to traditional expectations when it comes to what men need to do.
	Provide, protect.
	What else do men need to do?
	What else?
	Yeah, just provide and protect.
	Just?
	Well, sure.
	Just.
	So are you downplaying what that entails?
	Well, it's not like...
	What are you really protecting us from on a day-to-day basis?
	From yourself and from external threats.
	Like what?
	Like the chat?
	No, I'm just kidding.
	But seriously, like what?
	No, mostly dying from the elements.
	Ailments?
	Elements.
	supplements such as mcdonald's or such as like you like probably like air conditioning And you probably like eating.
	You probably like those.
	My dad worked in HVAC for 20 years.
	Yeah, you probably like electricity.
	I mean, my mom provided me.
	You probably don't like to die from a thing called hearth death, which is where you have to cook over a hearth and so your dress catches fire and you burn alive.
	That was an actual way women used to die, a lot of them, by hearth death.
	Luckily, though, you don't have to deal with cooking your food over an open fire.
	And that's because of modern infrastructure, which also enables you to work in almost any type of environment, conducive to your needs, temperature controlled for your needs.
	And it's like, yes, that all comes from, well, wouldn't you know it, men.
	How many men worked with your father in HVAC?
	All of them, right?
	How many women?
	I'm not downplaying.
	Hang on.
	I just want to know how many women worked with your father in HVAC.
	How many men right now?
	How many women?
	Women?
	Oh.
	I don't think any.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Wait, it's okay.
	Going back to the whole traditional thing here.
	So it's just interesting, like, because we're talking about this battle thing and I bring up kneeling and you're saying, well, kneeling is this traditional thing.
	But I'm like, well, women have totally given up their traditional obligations.
	So it's like, you want men to kneel, you want men to propose, you want men to pay for first dates.
	You still want men to be leaders and masculine and take initiative when it comes to courtship and all this sort of stuff, chivalry, etc., providing, protecting.
	But it's like, women are no longer chaste.
	Women aren't virgins anymore.
	You're not feminine.
	You're not submissive.
	So it's like, that's my confidence.
	I'm not speaking about the table here.
	But it's like, if we want to talk about tradition, where's all the virgin women?
	Well, me for myself with my husband when we were speaking earlier, I am pretty traditional and I do, even when though we've been, we don't have children quite yet because we did just get married in May.
	But even when we've both been working, I still take on the household duties of cooking and cleaning.
	And I still want to show him that that's something that I would like to pursue even more, especially when we do have children.
	I would like to hopefully stay at home.
	I don't know if it's possible in this economy, but that is something I think.
	Well, that's all due to Catholicism, though, right?
	You're leaning towards Catholicism, so that makes sense.
	But you would have to agree with Brian that as far as traditionalism, especially when it comes to a Christian household, that's gone, essentially.
	That's not promoted anywhere unless it's...
	Yeah, no, I think it's definitely lacking big time.
	That's why I try to uphold it in my house.
	Were you a virgin when you met your now husband?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	All right.
	We met when I was in my earlier 20s, so.
	Good.
	Well, that's certainly an outlier.
	Most women are not remaining virgins.
	So it's just interesting to me that there's this sort of traditional expectation on men, not so much on women.
	Like, I can't, I would like to ask this question.
	I ask it.
	Almost every panel now, and I'd like to ask it for this one.
	So secular meaning non-religious, no religion.
	Can anybody here actually give me a compelling reason, if you were a man, for why you would risk getting married in modernity if you were not religious?
	I gave you a few already.
	Yeah, just one, be good.
	Higher life expectancy, longer life expectancy.
	Yeah, how much more life do you think the average man gets from being married?
	You want me to remember the details of articles?
	Do you think it's a lot?
	I think it's several years.
	I believe it was several years.
	And was that compounded with how religious they were?
	Couldn't say.
	Well, the answer is yes.
	So if it's a non-religious reason, right?
	I'm looking for a non-religious reason.
	Yes, but maybe like send the links to the studies because I don't know that that's even the case.
	Yeah, but you don't even know how much longer the life expectancy is.
	Yeah, so it's something we should look at, but I know that it's a fact.
	It's a fact for some men.
	Just like they make more overall.
	They do better with health outcomes in the hospital.
	We went over the reasons why they make more overall, which is that they mitigate risk, and that's why they live longer, too.
	It's because of risk mitigation.
	And so they work longer out.
	No.
	It's a trade-off, not a benefit.
	Trade-off that benefits them.
	Trade-off.
	Okay, well, let me ask you a question.
	Do you think that a man would rather work 15 hours more a week or sit on his ass and play video games?
	I can't argue this because I don't know that the work time.
	What do you mean?
	We're just going to assume let's say 10 hours.
	Do you think that he would prefer to work 10 additional hours of overtime a week or not have to do that so that he can take those 10 hours for some type of recreation like video games, shooting guns, hunting, fishing, hanging out with the boys and drinking or any number of those things?
	If it took years off of his life, I don't know what years being years.
	You're talking about a life expectancy.
	You're talking about 1.3 or 1.2.
	It's negligible.
	Negligible for most men.
	Now, if they're heavily religious, that increases.
	That's true.
	But we're talking about secularists here.
	So the thing is, it's like, here's my question.
	Even if I were to grant it, let's just say it was like four years or five years even, right?
	And you were to ask a man, okay, hey, look, you can go bust your ass for an additional, you know, 10 or 15 hours per week, okay?
	Or you can spend the time doing recreation, right?
	And the type of recreation you do is going to be slightly more dangerous.
	Okay.
	That's what shaves off the life expectancy.
	That's what's so bothersome to me about your argument is because you go, you act like they're just like, oh, they just live longer.
	No, that's not how averages on life expectancy work.
	If you are moving towards high-risk behavior, your life expectancy decreases.
	So it's just like the fact that they can go out and do recreational things that are slightly dangerous is going to increase the chances that they die.
	Okay, but there's a lot of variables to this.
	Like you can be dating somebody and not be married and your partner still not wants you to go out and do things.
	You might be limited to what you're allowed to do within the parameters of a relationship where you're not married.
	Not on average.
	Here's what's going to happen on average.
	Here's what is happening on average.
	I'm literally explaining it to you.
	And it logically makes sense as well.
	You and I would agree that when you're talking about life expectancy, right, you're averaging this, right?
	So you're taking all of the averages of these men.
	Well, so here's what we find inside of these studies, okay?
	Especially this one you're talking about with increased longevity, health benefits, things like this, okay?
	If a man is working in his job for an additional five or ten hours or whatever, not every job is going to be blue-collar, right?
	They're just not.
	However, a lot of white-collar people still do high-risk activities, just like blue-collar people do for recreation because they're men.
	Men do higher-risk activities.
	So if you take the time in the workplace away and now they have more time for high-risk activities, more of them will die doing recreation.
	Therefore, the average life expectancy decreases.
	That is, you say that this is a trade-off?
	No, not really.
	All it is is, oh, now I can have fun, and that slightly increases my chance of dying early.
	Oh, no.
	And being healthier.
	But like earlier, Brian mentioned that.
	Well, no, it's not healthier.
	Well, you know, yeah, they are healthier on average as well.
	So it's not just that they don't die as often as they do.
	Can we just reject study?
	Hang on.
	Healthier, first of all, no, it's not that they're healthier.
	It's that they have more doctor checkups.
	That's it.
	That's the only distinction.
	So, okay, but earlier, like she had asked, what do men protect us from?
	And Brian mentioned yourself.
	You don't think, and I agree.
	I can tell you, men have been like, drive better, like, you know, for one example.
	And that's valid.
	You don't think that it's a benefit?
	I don't think they build all the roads.
	Okay, but you don't think it's, oh my gosh.
	You don't think it's a benefit that you have someone in your life to like help you take less risky behaviors or like you don't think that it's overall a benefit?
	No, not if I look at the high risk of divorce.
	So what I'm looking at.
	Okay, so you're saying that out there.
	What I'm looking at is the mitigation, right?
	I'm just looking at the risk versus mitigation from a secular standpoint.
	So I go, okay, so here's what I look at.
	You just asked, what are any benefits?
	No, I asked, what I'm asking you specifically is this: a compelling reason as a secularist to get married.
	You say, okay, it's because your life expectancy could increase.
	My argument to this is, yeah, not really.
	What's happening instead is that your recreation time is actually decreasing.
	And because the forms of recreation men do are dangerous, you could end up dying.
	And so it brings the entire average down.
	That's what's going on there.
	And then, two, what about the risk of divorce, which I think far outweighs all of these?
	Well, that part is fair.
	So my question again is: my initial question was a compelling reason.
	I'm looking for a compelling reason for a secularist to get married.
	That like outweighs the risk of divorce?
	Outweighs the risk of everything else.
	Yeah.
	That would be compelling.
	Honestly, I don't think I would even do it.
	But there are benefits to marriage, and I don't want to discredit that.
	Nobody would argue that there's benefits to marriage.
	I'm not arguing.
	Well, that's why I answered the way I did, though, because initially you just said give one reason to get married.
	I didn't.
	I said, give me a good, compelling reason.
	Okay.
	Yeah, compelling.
	So when I think compelling, I think I should do this based on this reason.
	Well, you could say there's like tax and financial benefits, but you could do that technically without marriage too.
	Yeah.
	So I mean, I don't understand from the second.
	I've thought about this a million times because I'd love to tell secularists that they should get married, right?
	You should.
	But I can't give them a good reason why they should.
	For love and to commit to somebody until you die.
	Sure.
	Why do you need marriage for that?
	There's a lot of, like, there's, you can whole life insurance thing.
	You can get life insurance without being married.
	Yeah, I'm a part of attorney, too.
	Yeah.
	Well, it's a commitment.
	It's a commitment on the market.
	Commit to people.
	You can commit to each other on paper and never get married.
	Also, you can get married and then uncommit easily.
	Yeah.
	You can break it easier than you can in a cell phone contract.
	You can literally get out of your marriage easier than a cell phone contract.
	Unless they keep filing for retrials.
	So the thing is, is like, I'm trying to figure out what is a good compelling reason for a person who's non-religious to get married.
	And I always come up with the same kind of answers, right?
	It's like, what about commitment?
	Well, you could still commit.
	What about children?
	We still have children.
	Like, what's the benefit to them?
	Love.
	It's not, I guess, compelling to everybody, but I would say that.
	Can't you have love without marriage?
	Yeah, of course.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	So, not love then.
	What do you mean?
	I mean, you just conceded that you can have love without marriage.
	Can have love without marriage?
	Yeah.
	Can have love with marriage.
	Right.
	So, but you said should get married because love.
	But yeah, for love, because you love each other, and you guys want to put that on paper.
	As the man says, I don't want to get married, but I still love you.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, but that's not a compelling reason for men to get married.
	What would you say?
	It's a compelling reason.
	I don't think there is one.
	I'm against marriage.
	No, you're not against religious marriage.
	I'm not, yeah, I should be more precise.
	I don't have objections to religious marriage.
	I'm not getting married, though.
	Not even religiously?
	He's not religious.
	I'm not religious.
	Oh, okay.
	Maybe Andrew's working on me.
	He'll try and get me there.
	Yeah, I don't see the point of marriage.
	I'm not going to do it.
	It's a bad deal for men.
	Yeah, secularly, I don't.
	There's no purpose.
	Yeah, I can't think of a single good reason.
	And I argue, it's pretty funny.
	I argue with Catholics about it all the time, right?
	Because they're like, well, natural law.
	I think the biggest reason is just to say that you have a husband or a wife, honestly.
	Or the wedding, but I don't even want the wedding.
	Well, no, the benefits are very compelling for secular women.
	They're just not very compelling for secular men.
	There's several reasons I could think of, which are very compelling for secular women to get married.
	I just can't think of any for secular men to get married.
	Seems like a really bad deal.
	Not even money?
	For the man?
	Yeah, for the man.
	They want money and he has more money.
	Nope.
	Then maybe do it.
	Nope.
	What's really interesting is that even when you have a gap, you know, like that seems to flip.
	So that's what's interesting, right?
	It seems to flip.
	So the question becomes: what is the actual reason for a secularist to get married that is compelling?
	She argued some kind of basic stats, which are they're interesting stats.
	Don't get me wrong.
	I thought they were pretty good too.
	I tangled up with several people, and I've even utilized those stats, right?
	But I parse them out differently.
	The biggest issue is that, again, even with her stats, it comes down to the religion being kind of the bigger, bigger correlate for these things, for the life expectancy, everything else.
	So I just wonder.
	Bob Evans, think you're the gifted 50s.
	I just wonder what the compelling reason is, and I don't think we have one, Brian.
	I don't think so.
	I'm a little confused here, though.
	You said money.
	Can you explain that a little bit?
	Well, anyone can marry for money.
	No.
	What do you mean?
	You mean as a reason to get married?
	Yeah.
	It's a compelling reason for some.
	So you're saying that it would be a compelling reason for a secular man to get married if the woman was loaded.
	That's if.
	Yes.
	But the reality is, is that most women, even secular women, are not prepared to take on a man like that.
	Yeah, but you know what?
	I would make the concession here that If I were a secularist and like the woman was beautiful and a multi-millionaire, right?
	Then yeah, I think I would marry her.
	Like that seems like it would be pretty compelling.
	Unless she wanted a pre-nub.
	But the issue is, right?
	I mean, there's a couple issues here.
	I mean, I think one, the first one, even among secular couples, typically the man is the breadwinner.
	So while I will grant that there are men who will marry women who earn more than them, and in the event of a divorce, they would stand to benefit financially in some way.
	This is exceedingly rare.
	Women who, I mean, kind of bringing it to dating a little bit, women who are high earners typically don't want to date men who are not at their level.
	Women are very good at doing this.
	What about for children?
	Hold on.
	Women are very good at their stated preference of I only want a man who's on my level or higher.
	So for example, a female attorney, not going to date the fast food worker.
	Male attorney, he'll date an attractive, pleasant, feminine, submissive fast food worker.
	But so, and what was your question there?
	Oh, what about the.
	I was saying for having a child.
	Yeah, but just like just explain it.
	You were saying something about, oh, why would a woman want to get together with a guy who was poor if she was loaded?
	Maybe because she's like at the end of her childbearing years and she really wants a kid and she's in love with this guy.
	There's plenty of cases like that.
	Well, not plenty, but maybe some.
	I mean, I would just be willing to kind of grant it as an outlier that if I were a secular man and for some reason, some chick who was really loaded and a multi-millionaire wanted to get married with no pre-nub, yeah, I might do it then.
	Right?
	Maybe that would be a compelling enough reason, right?
	But even if I grant that, that is not going to be the case for basically any secular man who exists.
	So the advice of them probably not getting married seems still like it's pretty sound advice.
	But still, I'd be willing to grant it.
	My future, my potential future brother-in-law did just marry like a super hot-rich chick.
	And he's like not loaded.
	What's he do for women?
	I don't know.
	I think he studied like some kind of liberal arts stuff.
	Like, I don't, actually, I don't think, I don't know.
	I don't think he does anything right now.
	Yeah, that could be wrong.
	That's cool.
	It happens.
	Yeah, it happens.
	It happens.
	But it ain't going to happen to many people.
	It's not common.
	No.
	Just like how you're a liberal woman.
	And even you want a man to be a provider and protector and to pay for on the first date.
	You're independent.
	Huh?
	I'm an independent.
	Are you progressive?
	Yes.
	I mean, you're pro-choice.
	I'm assuming you have other leftist or liberal.
	Yeah.
	I mean, there's no party.
	Are you voting Harris?
	Who knows?
	That's a yes.
	Yeah, that's totally.
	It's a yes.
	For sure.
	But I mean, to, I guess, expand on my point here, even liberal women want men to be providers and pay for first dates.
	So it's like, as a guy, I can't go into a first date with the expectation that she's going to pay for the entire bill.
	But I'm pretty sure every single one of you at this table has gone on a date with a guy and you weren't, it wasn't even a concern in your mind.
	You knew he was going to pay for the first date.
	Let me just show of hands.
	I don't think that's fair.
	Show of hands.
	I always offer.
	Have you been on?
	That's cool.
	Have you been on a singular first date?
	You always offer.
	Hold on.
	What?
	Have you?
	Yeah.
	Show of hands.
	Have you been on one singular first date where the guy paid the entire bill?
	I can't remember.
	That's a you can't remember.
	I can't remember, yeah, because you've never been on the first date where the guy you went to a food place.
	I have, yeah, I have.
	Okay.
	It's been so long.
	It's been so long.
	For me, I grew up in Los Angeles, so I feel like the expectation, especially like in the community that I was growing up in, I would always bring my wallet just in case he didn't.
	I wasn't going to expect it.
	Right, but did they still pay?
	Sometimes they didn't.
	Right, but have you had the experience, like more often than not, they would pay for the first date?
	I would say about half half.
	50% of the time.
	If my expectation as a man was 50% of the time, she had to pay for the date.
	She's sitting down 50% of the time.
	I would be leaving those dates with a lot of pissed off women.
	They'd laugh in my fucking face if I was like, you're not getting this?
	Women would laugh in my fucking face if I was like, oh, you're not getting, you're not paying for the whole date?
	I actually went on a date once where we were going to eat and then go to a movie, and I paid for my own food when we went to eat.
	And then afterwards, when we went to the ticket booth to purchase the tickets, he walked away.
	So I had to pay and I felt very awkward.
	So I just did it.
	Ironically, I do often pay, but this is like modern dudes, but I often do pay for both.
	But that's not who I want, though.
	So like it doesn't discredit his overall point.
	We have Realistic Heart here.
	It is unfortunate to be listening to so much evidence of programmed contrarians.
	Try to occasionally let go of your feelings and embrace the logic, W. Andrew.
	Yo, thank you, Realistic Heart.
	I appreciate your super chat.
	I have to run because I thought it was like ending at nine and I would work.
	Well, because it was going to be four to nine.
	I thought we were starting at four sharp.
	So I actually have to run.
	But you're not going to stay for the rest of the show.
	Well, it's been five hours now, right?
	What's that?
	It's been five hours, right?
	What?
	What do you mean?
	I thought we were starting at four sharp, so I thought the meat time is four, and then we, when are we going until?
	Oh my god uh, I mean we try to wrap around.
	1130 or 12?
	Lucas donated $200.
	Marrying this generation of women is a game of Russian roulette for a man, 80% divorce is initiated by women.
	Something like 90% of alimony paid from men to women, same percent for child support and weekend dad.
	Uh Lucas, thank you very much for the uh.
	TTS appreciate it.
	I mean, I just looked at our the notes we sent you.
	I said we aim to wrap it uh in for you.
	This has changed since because this was sent back in March of 2024.
	We've since changed this.
	I did say we aim to wrap at 10 p.m.
	So I don't know where you got the nine number.
	In more recent messages I tend to say, but may go longer, but okay yeah, so do you want to stay?
	I mean I'm not gonna force you, you don't have to.
	I read, I thought that it was only through nine, but I guess I'm also on the East Coast so I didn't realize.
	Okay, I mean I didn't even get to your notes.
	But sorry, I'm sure you guys will be fine without one less linebacker with a blonde wig.
	Do you want to at least I can get through your notes?
	I'm good.
	It's all right.
	Thank you so much.
	You're amazing.
	Thank you.
	Okay.
	All right.
	So I'll get through the rest of the notes then.
	Let's see here.
	Tortured.
	Tortured.
	Yeah.
	Tortured.
	All right.
	We have rest of the notes with Bella here.
	You hooked up with a guy after you hooked up with a guy from Tinder.
	You accidentally grabbed his phone thinking it was yours and his wallpaper was him with another girl.
	I also think he might have lied about his age.
	Yeah, so this guy that I hooked up with Tinder, I think his age said like 19, but when I got in his car, I mean, I didn't think it was suspicious until after we had hooked up and I saw his like wallpaper and I started like making the connections and stuff because I was like, I was like asking where he went to school and he was like kind of dodgy about my questions and stuff.
	And when I picked up his phone, it was, I couldn't tell if it was him with another girl or if it was just another girl, but it was pretty clear that like he had his girlfriend as the wallpaper and I just like pretended not to notice.
	Yeah, it was awkward.
	Okay.
	Okay, going to, let's see here, we'll just skip these.
	Ashley's not here.
	Your notes.
	You said one time when I was 19, I went on a date with a guy I was trying to purchase a tattoo from, immediately found out he has three baby mamas, decided to let him walk me home instead of bicycling because didn't have a car then.
	I lived in the studio with a few other housemates, was not worried at all about him knowing where I lived.
	On the walk home, he starts to really dramatically flirt with me verbally.
	Something that stuck with me was that he said, I want to have a baby with you.
	It will be so pretty with blue eyes, and I'll give it the most attention.
	He also asked me to be his pretend girlfriend for family events, which I denied.
	I just wanted a tattoo.
	That was wild.
	And it was a really nice tattoo.
	I paid $25 in liquor to get it eventually, but it took so long to get that tattoo.
	Every single time I would show up to get the tattoo, he would put me in front of his family and he'd be like, just pretend for a second.
	Because we weren't doing anything.
	We weren't kissing.
	It was just like, I felt bad for him at first.
	And I don't know.
	The guy was just a little different.
	Wait, you hung out with him more than once?
	Yeah, because I wanted this tattoo so badly.
	And I'd already put so much time on the first day.
	So you actually did pretend to be his girlfriend?
	No, so it got really awkward when he brought his kids over and he tried to hold my hand.
	And immediately when he did that, I was like, I'm sorry, I gotta go.
	I even brought my friend over with me too.
	Just like doing this in front of your kids.
	He was single.
	He wasn't seeing me.
	How did you guys meet?
	We met through a friend.
	And they referred him to me.
	What do you mean they referred him to you?
	Well, I was looking to get a tattoo from a local artist.
	Oh, but you said you went on a date with him.
	So is it unreasonable for him to have a romantic interest in you?
	No, it's not unreasonable, but it's just kind of unreasonable to say things like on the first date.
	Like, I want to have kids with you, and I'm going to pay attention to this kid only.
	Isn't that the story of your current?
	No.
	No.
	Didn't you say that?
	I mean, you had, you literally had a kid.
	It sounded like very soon after meeting your current guy.
	Yeah, but he has a kid.
	Is this your current guy?
	No, no, he doesn't have it.
	My current guy doesn't have any other kids besides ours.
	Okay.
	But I mean, I didn't, if I recall correctly, didn't you say that when you met your current boyfriend who you have a kid with, didn't you say, like, he said early on that you guys would have not the first day we met, though.
	So the second or third day?
	Yeah.
	I don't know.
	But he was.
	Later, baby lawyer in law school for four years.
	Utter misery.
	Met submissive Greek blonde slash blue eye former Eagles cheerleader.
	Before they dressed them slutty, her father, Vietnam, green, berry, badass bliss.
	Yo, Lucas, thank you so much, man.
	Thank you for the big TTS, man.
	appreciate it uh okay well um and so uh didn't you say though that you pretended he would put you in front of the family and be like he asked me to go to a few family events and i didn't go But one time I was going over there to get the tattoo.
	It didn't happen that day.
	He introduced me to his parents.
	And then another time he was giving my friend and I a ride back home, I think, to my place.
	And his sister, like, sincerely asked me, she was like, what's going on?
	And I'm like, I'm just trying to get a tattoo.
	And she's like, oh, okay.
	What?
	Doc Venabilly donated $200.
	Sorry, I'm late Britson.
	Here's a contribution to your Prenup Defense Fund.
	Prenup Defense Fund.
	Yo, Doc, thank you so much, man.
	I really appreciate it.
	Means the world.
	You've been a longtime supporter.
	So thank you, man.
	Thank you so much.
	I'm a little confused because were you trying to date him or get a tattoo?
	Just get a tattoo.
	Why did you go on a date with him then?
	Oh, because I was giving him a chance at first, and then I told him I'm not interested.
	I just want to get this tattoo.
	And I was very clear and respectful about that.
	You know, there are tattoo parlors where you can get a tattoo without the need of having to date date.
	I didn't fake date him.
	He had asked me to.
	And coaxed me to go there every single time upon the basis of you're going to get this tattoo today.
	And then it's kind of like, oh, these things came up.
	We're going to, you know.
	But I mean, clearly it was a quick pro quo, right?
	Like, he wasn't giving you the tattoo.
	No, I wanted to pay money.
	Did he accept the money?
	No, he wouldn't accept the money.
	But finally, he accepted $25 in Buzzballs and did it.
	And it was perfect, even though he was really.
	Okay.
	You said he was a bit loony.
	Every time you'd show up to get the tattoo, he said would happen.
	He'd manipulate me into joining in his shenanigans with friends that were actually quite entertaining.
	I was very straightforward with him the whole time, but he was very Delulu.
	I got the tattoo finally, and it's one of my best, most compliment.
	Which tattoo is it?
	Is it the bird?
	No, it's a Luna moth.
	Oh, okay.
	All right.
	You also said, yo, Amos, thank you for the gifted 20 memberships, man.
	appreciate it you said would our money expectations generally on the first few dates wait what Oh, hold on.
	Lucas donated $200.
	So, ladies, wake up.
	Decide how you want to live our life.
	BC, someone like me, 25 years ago, ain't touching any of you with a 10-foot pole.
	Any response?
	What do we take a time machine?
	Like, what does it matter?
	Thanks.
	Thank you, Lucas.
	I do appreciate that.
	Thank you.
	So, okay, you were asking what are money expectations generally on the first few dates between heterosexual people?
	I think we talked about that.
	Yeah, but we talked about that.
	Okay.
	And then also, first date with someone I wanted to buy some art from, but gave him a chance.
	Oh, this is the same guy.
	Yeah.
	Three baby mama guy.
	Yeah.
	Oh, okay.
	All right.
	Let's see.
	You also said, give our children.
	Tell me the first date.
	Well, another first date you had, he was an angel.
	He told me, loved me multiple times, and actually scared the fuck out of me.
	Same guy or different guy?
	No, no.
	Total angel, though.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Just very enthusiastic or passionate in the first date.
	Yeah.
	Dating is cool, but it makes me sad that lust in a relationship fits after 10 to 15 years.
	I wish we were like crows and mated slash were loyal for life once we settled down.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	That's cool.
	Let's get into something else here.
	Hold on.
	I want to do this one.
	So, body count.
	Does it matter?
	Does it not matter?
	No.
	For a guy, I don't know if it's like.
	Let me change the question.
	Do you think it's if a man cares about body count?
	Do you think it's insecure of him?
	Oh, no, no, no.
	I think it's valid.
	Say it again.
	We weren't on you.
	No, I think it's valid for him to care.
	It depends on what his reasoning is, I guess.
	Because he thinks it's gross.
	No, I wouldn't say he's insecure if he thinks it's gross.
	Wait, what was the question?
	Is a man insecure if he's concerned about body count?
	I would be too if it was like over 20 with a guy.
	Well, that's unrealistic, but yeah.
	No, I don't think it is.
	No.
	No.
	Somebody phone?
	Hmm?
	Is that yours, Andrew?
	No.
	Morgan?
	It's over there?
	Yeah.
	Oh, it's coming from the back.
	Okay.
	No, I keep mine on airplane mode.
	Okay, so.
	Sorry, guys, we had a little vibration going on.
	What's your body count?
	So I've never counted officially, but I know it's 20-ish.
	20-ish, okay.
	11.
	All right.
	Say like five.
	Okay.
	It's probably around 20.
	All right.
	One. One. One. Okay.
	Multiply it by three, and that's the real number.
	Yeah.
	All right.
	Well, you know, that's what it is.
	It's math.
	It's a science, actually.
	It's a science.
	What's your body count?
	I'm a virgin.
	No.
	Hey, is the girl that bowed to you, is she the girl that went through your phone on the first date?
	No, but it was a different Asian woman.
	Do you only date Asian women?
	No.
	You just have a type.
	I mean, I date white women, Asian women, Latino women.
	Sometimes.
	I was just like, I can't picture that girl doing that.
	I mean, I date a black woman, and I just don't think they.
	I don't think black women like me.
	Some probably do.
	Come on, Brian.
	Well, you would know.
	You would know, Andrew.
	Yeah, that's right.
	Black ex-wife.
	But, okay, let's go through this then.
	I have to wait until she's back, but hold on, guys, one sec.
	Where are we?
	Leave my fictitious black ex-wife.
	That is a fair point.
	Oh, it's not a real thing.
	I believed it.
	Me too.
	Andrew needs to redo his hair, by the way.
	Hair's fine.
	We need to get it.
	It's fine.
	It's gum.
	It's fine.
	Okay, let's say it's fine.
	Tussled is nice.
	It's called the pompadour.
	Pompadour.
	It's good.
	It's good.
	All right.
	Okay, question for the panel.
	You're in the forest.
	Oh.
	Andrew loves this one.
	You're in the forest.
	Would you rather, and you get to pick, and you spawn randomly in the forest, and you can spawn either a random man or a random bear, and you're going to come across them.
	Which do you pick?
	A man.
	A man.
	I think this question's so stupid.
	I want to see a bear, but definitely a man.
	Wait, what?
	Bears are honesty.
	Oh, okay.
	I was on a motorcycle ride the other day, and I saw a bear with my man.
	Yeah, it was huge.
	It's kind of sweet.
	Scary.
	Man.
	Okay.
	Easy peasy.
	All right, let's go.
	Oh, can you not do that at the table?
	I have a quick one for you.
	So, do you think a man or a woman would be more likely to tell you the truth?
	I don't, I think probably equally so.
	So if you had to pick one.
	You know what?
	Honestly, probably men, because women tend to be more agreeable.
	So maybe they would be like, in some situations, more afraid of being honest.
	Maybe men.
	I agree with your point, and it's funny you say that women are more agreeable because I'm agreeing with you.
	Yeah.
	So men.
	Yeah.
	Women.
	I think a woman.
	It's who's more honest?
	No.
	Who do you think would be more likely to tell you the truth?
	A man or a woman?
	Man.
	A man.
	Why did you two pick woman?
	I value truth.
	I don't know.
	You think women would be more likely to tell you that?
	What is true?
	Yeah, I do.
	Do you think women are afraid to hurt everyone's feelings?
	Yeah, that's how I'm like, I would be honest, and I'm a bitch, but so I'll just, and a little autistic, so just like, I'm going to be, I'm going to tell the truth.
	But generally speaking, I feel like women might be kind of like, I don't want to hurt your feelings.
	Like, or at least soften the blow.
	Yeah.
	With a positive before the negative.
	Yeah.
	I think a lot of modern men are kind of more sensitive and don't want to be upfront.
	And there is the curse of Eve where a woman wants to rule over man.
	And so it's really easy for them to just say the truth and be open about stuff.
	Women?
	Although when I was dating, I never had a man, like if it wasn't, if we didn't feel, you know, like we were had chemistry, I never had a man like come out and say it.
	I feel like I was always the one to say it.
	Oh, yeah, me too.
	It's a hard question.
	And then he agreed?
	Because, I mean, you need to realize that there's always the possibility that you thought that there wasn't chemistry, and then after you told him, he went ahead and agreed.
	Oh, yeah, I think so too.
	Even though.
	Well, then he's still not being honest.
	Even though he actually didn't think so.
	I had a couple.
	Well, yeah, I mean, there's going to be incentives for non-honesty, sure.
	Yeah.
	I agree.
	We're just talking about the momentum.
	I guess I'm the first one to be up front about it.
	Like where men will just stay in a relationship instead of breaking up with somebody and just like make it miserable for the person until they leave.
	Women do the same thing.
	Oh, I feel like we'll just leave.
	Nope.
	They definitely won't.
	Dot at all.
	Divorce rates kind of reflect my point, I feel.
	Yeah, and they're usually getting divorced after years, right?
	Yeah.
	And they cheat and they do all sorts of different things to and they keep.
	They keep them just stay.
	So do the women, right?
	It's not exclusive to men.
	Women will stay too.
	But we fought for divorce more.
	Yes, that is correct.
	So I feel like maybe we're more honest about, like maybe in regards to how we view the relationship.
	I just think they're more sneaky about it.
	I think they're just more sneaky and they plan exit plans and shit like that before they hit the divorce filing.
	I don't think that it's because they're being particularly honest.
	Well, speaking for myself, I was honest.
	And gave multiple warnings.
	Yeah, but I mean, generally, I wouldn't.
	I just think because of women's nature, like you were saying, just the agreeable, like, don't want to hurt anybody, probably overall.
	And also, like, maybe fear of what would happen, depending on what the scenario is.
	But yeah.
	I also dislike confrontation.
	So, if anything feels like it's becoming confrontational or not copacetic, I would try to avoid.
	But the truth always comes out eventually in most cases.
	Taesier, I've found with people to just be honest upfront completely, and then you avoid that bullshit later on.
	I mean, women lie to each other so much, it's unbelievable.
	So they lie to each other about how they think each other look and about how they actually think.
	There's so many times I've actually seen, even right here in whatever, right?
	Oh, girl, you look so pretty, this and that.
	She gets up and walks over and it's like, oh my god, she's such a slut.
	Not kidding.
	Yeah, I see it all.
	And it makes female friendships hard.
	Yeah.
	A bunch of passive-aggressive liars, right?
	It's like just throwing that out.
	I've not seen a lot of the real direct honest.
	Like, what's in your brain is not coming out and being verbalized to the other person.
	Like what you really think.
	Some other version of that is what's coming out.
	At least that's what I've noticed.
	Yeah, but then men will be like, oh, yeah, honey, you look great.
	No one damn it.
	To avoid, possibly to avoid hurting your feelings, they'll tell a white lie.
	I don't think it's the same at all.
	I think that you can, I think even the woman can tell that he wants to verbalize something different, and they can even pick up context clues that that is the case.
	But I think it's far different, literally look another woman in the eye and be like, hey, girl, and then get up.
	And the second you get up, they're both talking shit about the one who just got up.
	That is so common, in fact, that women themselves make jokes about it constantly.
	So, yeah, I think that you can point to instances of men doing white lies for sure, but women just like kind of lied right to each other's faces.
	It's wild.
	I mean, I've seen a lot of guys, like even my guys, my friends that are gay, like they are nice to somebody in person or even heterosexual.
	And then as soon as those people are gone, they're talking shit, like telling me exactly how they feel, or just joking about somebody, you know?
	Yeah, I'm sure it happens.
	I'm just, it just doesn't happen as much as it happens with women.
	Like, I've here, let me give you an example.
	You've probably seen a lot more men be upright confrontational with other men than you have women.
	I mean, overwhelmingly.
	And that requires some kind of truth statement, right?
	In order to initiate confrontation, there's going to have to be some truth there.
	I'm mad because X thing.
	Well, I'm mad because of other X thing.
	So I don't see women doing that very often.
	So just pointing that out.
	I do want to go back to the bow thing really quick.
	There's BAO version 2.0.
	I want to change the question a little bit.
	Would you bow for the perfect man?
	Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yes.
	Lucas donated $200.
	Yeah, thank you, Lucas.
	Appreciate it.
	Thank you.
	Time machine.
	Are you capable of abstract thinking?
	Point was that successful men at each exist, have expectations similar to mine, but avoid you like the plague BC of their insufferable behavior/slash ethos.
	If you First of all.
	First of all.
	I was married.
	I left my marriage.
	There's no lack of a lineup begging for the opportunity.
	So I don't know where you get the idea that people avoid me like the plague.
	Stop the cap.
	Wait, there's a what?
	Check my DMs on Insta.
	Wait, there's a what?
	Wait, hold on.
	There's a what?
	A whole lineup.
	Erroneous!
	Erroneous!
	Of men who want what?
	That literally try to get me to date them.
	That's not, there's no lacking.
	I don't even think I'm special.
	I think most women probably.
	Look, as a woman, you don't get the W until you have the ring.
	I had it.
	Just be.
	Yeah, but you don't have it now.
	Yeah, I haven't even lived in the date for that long.
	That's the L.
	Yeah, but you don't have, like, the ring.
	Just because men want to fuck you, that's not the W.
	I don't think that they want to just fuck me, but I think, well, I know that plenty of men want to date me.
	I've just left a scenario with someone who literally was asking my ring size already, and I just didn't want to be with him.
	But you're like, oh, all these dudes in my DMs.
	I'm not saying every single one of them want to, but many of them have made it very clear that they want to be with me.
	That's just the life of a woman.
	Okay, exactly.
	This girl next to you says it's easy mode for dating.
	I literally just said, I don't think it's just me.
	I think it's probably all of us have at least a handful.
	But what he's saying is.
	Yeah, that's your default.
	But what he is saying is that men think.
	I'm talking about his comment.
	Can you stay focused?
	He's saying that they avoid us like the plague.
	That's such bullshit.
	Who the fuck are you being avoided?
	You might be because you're married.
	Do men avoid you like the plague?
	Do you?
	No?
	Okay.
	What are you talking about?
	His comment.
	So I think.
	I think to be charitable to the comment.
	I guess you can be literal with it.
	That's fine.
	But I'd be charitable to it.
	I think he's talking about long-term committed relationships.
	And the reason I would say that is because he keeps on contrasting it with his.
	Right.
	But I'm saying, like, there's, like, two very recent options for literal, like, two people literally trying to move me in and my kids.
	I'm just, I go slowly.
	Yeah, but you don't like them.
	So it doesn't matter.
	But yeah.
	Not enough to move in with them.
	It's just early.
	Right.
	But I would do it.
	With this one person, though.
	Wait, you're fucking two dudes?
	No, I got rid of one.
	Johnny Spiral donated $69.69.
	Daddy likes it when Kitty says meow.
	Here's a little catnip kitty.
	Now roll in it.
	Give it a little kiss.
	It's tasty, isn't?
	Good kitty.
	Such a good little kitty.
	Sincerely, Johnny Spiral.
	What the fuck?
	All right, Johnny.
	Thank you very much.
	Appreciate it.
	Yo, David.
	Jack on.
	The men you want to like the plague.
	You fucking drink.
	But like, I literally have one that I want.
	That's like currently.
	If a guy was like, yo, I approached 10 girls and they all rejected me.
	Like, that's not a W either.
	I'm not rejecting one, though.
	I've literally not been divorced yet.
	Davon Jackon, that's your new thing.
	I've donated 60.
	Men will say anything to women to get in their pants.
	Will they buy you?
	The right man will tell you the truth.
	Will they what?
	Will they like buy your new divorce lawyer and then fly out to California with you?
	And the guy did that?
	Yeah.
	That's the ex that I got my gun from.
	An old ex.
	Yeah.
	He paid for the divorce.
	The retrial lawyer.
	Did you guys hook up?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, well then, yeah, of course.
	Where's he now?
	That's what you call Airbnb.
	Flown out.
	But wait.
	Never mind.
	Oh, so you came with here.
	Well, yeah, I invited him.
	You came with him here.
	Yeah.
	I was like, yo, come with me.
	You said you're single.
	Well, I am single.
	You're literally going to go fuck a guy tonight.
	But we're.
	It's like, hold on.
	We're talking again and trying to get to know each other again.
	It's been like five years.
	But yes, I would literally marry him tomorrow.
	Wait, so when did you relink?
	When I had to get my gun and then we saw each other and it was like over with.
	When was that?
	A few weeks ago.
	Like two weeks ago?
	How many times have you guys been hanging out?
	So I saw him that day.
	And then.
	You guys live in the same city?
	No.
	Okay.
	Go ahead.
	Go ahead.
	Continue.
	Then after that, it was like, I don't know, he came to visit for this trip a few days.
	So he came Friday.
	And then we've just been around each other since then.
	Just to see if it can work again to like, you know, because it's been a long time.
	Like, are we the same people?
	Do we want the same things?
	And this is why I don't believe when women say they're single, like they're fucking at least one David Barrow.
	It's crazy.
	You said you were single.
	Didn't I ask if there's a guy in the picture?
	I don't know if you said that.
	No, no, no.
	You didn't ask if there's a guy in the picture.
	You just asked if our relationship is.
	I'm saying I'm in a relationship.
	I'm single, but I've been fucking a guy for a month.
	And we took a trip together.
	And he paid for my divorce lawyer.
	And by the way, I would marry him tomorrow.
	I would, because we have like two and a half years.
	We were together two and a half years the first single.
	Well, we're figuring it out.
	Like we might not end up together.
	So, okay.
	How long have you been in Santa Barbara?
	Since yesterday.
	Okay.
	So have you been apart at all?
	Like did you go out to get like a bite to eat and he stayed at the hotel?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	So if a guy stepped to you and approached you and asked for your number, so you're not single then.
	Okay.
	Well, if it, if that's the baseline, but it's hard to, you know, like today's standards of what's dating is like viewed if you reject a guy who you would otherwise be interested in, you're not single.
	I think.
	But I also kind of have, and she taught me this: this idea that like you're single until you're married.
	And I think that's a good point.
	What?
	You're single until you're married?
	Yeah.
	A lot of women feel that way.
	Stop.
	She belongs, so to speak.
	Back to the streets you go.
	No, I only sleep with one person at a time.
	Imagine a girl saying that shit.
	You've been dating her for three years.
	You're going to propose.
	Oh, I'm single.
	Single.
	Well, no, like.
	Back to the streets.
	It's only been a few days.
	Okay.
	So.
	It's been three days.
	But you just said until marriage single.
	You're going to see him.
	Huh?
	You just said until marriage.
	Single.
	Yeah, I don't think it'll be long.
	I think it's a real possibility, at least, that that could be the result.
	Was he dating you while you were a stripper?
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	How much was your tri-reaching?
	He's a provider, too.
	$5,000.
	But my stepmom put a little towards it.
	So there's like, there's like a, it's a lot.
	I can't talk too much about the retrial stuff either.
	And he paid for your flight and the trip out here?
	He did not pay for my flight.
	He paid for his own.
	Oh, okay.
	So he joined you on the trip.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	I mean, that's not as, I suppose it's not as bad.
	You just reconnected and he's given you a thousand dollars?
	Well, but we had a very special connection.
	And since then, have not been able, like we both.
	Special connection.
	So he's like single two years after I broke up with him.
	And then I got married and then he dated a girl for some years and like we both realized like we were trying to.
	Why did it end originally?
	I wanted to move to Austin and he was kind of anchored in the Dallas area.
	That's one reason.
	Also, I had a lot of growing to do.
	So you were a shithead.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	I really was.
	And we didn't have, like, but it wasn't.
	Did he pay?
	And did you at the time, did you have any children?
	No.
	And now you have two children?
	Yes.
	And he has zero?
	He has zero.
	Is that hard for you to conceptualize, Andrew?
	Well, if you want to explain if I'm going to explain this phenomenon, right?
	Well, no, I mean, I wasn't the ex of my wife.
	Sorry.
	Okay, but you understand taking away from the moment.
	Let me explain the phenomenon here.
	No, every single situation is different.
	I'm not beating up on somebody for being a stepfather, but this situation here is dated you, had no kids.
	Okay.
	You weren't good enough for me, gone, right?
	By your own admission, you weren't good enough.
	I'm gone.
	Then you end up with another guy, end up having his kids.
	Now, suddenly, guy number two, who's the ex, is suddenly good enough for you.
	Just pointing this out, that this is a phenomenon which happens all.
	It happens, but I'm telling you, it was always this guy for me.
	Like, it was not like, oh, I thought this guy would be better.
	It was, this isn't working.
	This guy's totally different.
	So maybe that's what I need, even though I'm crazy about you.
	This is just not good.
	And then I was like, this is, I just, in all that time, we could not get each other off each other's mind.
	It was very mutual.
	Does the new guy have resources?
	Yeah, he does.
	Wait, the entire.
	Sorry, could you repeat that the entire time?
	Even while you were married to your yeah, I was always in love with him.
	But you can be in love with someone and not be healthy and not want to be with them.
	I'm sorry.
	No, I don't think you can.
	I think you can.
	No, I really don't think you can.
	I think that I think that anybody who would marry anybody who is in love with somebody else is well, I don't think I necessarily always knew that I was in the middle of the day.
	Oh, you didn't know?
	Wait, can we just not?
	Hold on.
	I'm sorry.
	I'm good at turning.
	I need you to repeat that because I don't want us to just glance over it because one more time.
	So this guy who's your ex, who you're now he paid thousands of dollars for your retrial lawyer, used to date him while you were married to your husband.
	You were thinking of your ex.
	Yeah, often.
	During sex?
	No, no, no, no.
	Jesus Christ, no.
	You probably were.
	No, no, no.
	I would tell you.
	I don't give a shit.
	No.
	Would I admit?
	Just about how much you love this guy.
	Wait, and did you.
	It took me a while to figure out.
	Did you date?
	Were you talking to him while you were married?
	Yes, but my husband knew, but it wasn't often.
	It was just like ever so often.
	Bro.
	Throughout the years, here and there.
	Red pill.
	Massive red pill.
	And did you have you dated, besides your ex-husband, had you dated other men?
	Like in between my so like you broke up with your ex, were there other guys?
	No.
	So his ex-husband back with the ex who you loved the entire duration of your marriage with the guy?
	Yeah, so sort of.
	After I left my husband, the ex had a girlfriend.
	So I did like go on a few dates with one other guy.
	But when I saw my ex, I had to go get my fucking gun or else we would not have ever probably seen each other again.
	But then, yeah, I told the other guy, I was like, hey, you know, I'm not with my ex or anything, but I'm just going to let you know I don't, I can't be with you after seeing him or anybody for that matter.
	So I called that off.
	And now we're just like seeing if it, if we're just romanticizing nostalgia or if it's like a genuine connection.
	But I think it, like, I would like talk, and I would say it to my friends.
	I'd be like, I feel like he's going to text me soon.
	And we it wasn't purposeful that you went to pick up this object that you that you needed.
	It was not purposeful to see him in any way.
	Okay, I didn't know that he had the gun for a few years because at one point, and that's I can't talk about that because it's legal stuff.
	Um, but anyway, he got the gun again at some point.
	And when I was with my ex-husband, I did, I couldn't have a gun because my ex-husband was a felon, so it wasn't a concern that he had it.
	Yeah, so you ditch this guy for a felon you had kids with.
	Well, but he's not like he sold weed when he was 19.
	Oh, it wasn't like he's not like a violent criminal, okay?
	Yeah, yeah, it wasn't like, and he had his shit together for he's just I can't say that either.
	Um, but it's not like what you're envisioning.
	When you were uh saying your vows, you got married, right?
	Mm-hmm.
	Uh, were you still in love with your ex-boyfriend?
	I wasn't like thinking about him at that time.
	You said you were well, I probably was looking back.
	Like, you can reflect.
	Like, I don't know if you know what it's like to turn off feelings, but when that relationship didn't work, I just put it out of my head for a long time.
	It just took, you know, you can bury things for a while, but eventually they come up, and that's essentially what happened.
	But it also came up like because my husband treated me awful, and I'm like, oh, God, I thought that was toxic.
	Before or after the wedding, after.
	So he was treating you well before you got married.
	Yeah.
	Weren't you treating him awful by being in a relationship with him while you were still wanting to fuck and be with your ex again?
	At that point, I wasn't actively thinking about my ex.
	Like, this is just something that kind of admitted that while you were with him, right?
	This is post-marriage.
	Wait, so just to be here's the timeline.
	So, because mind, typically, you know, the further you get away from a relationship, the less and less feelings you have.
	You get over it.
	So, you're saying you break up with your guy and then no feelings.
	There's feelings for a little bit.
	But so, how did it go from okay, breakup, feelings, feelings dwindling, and then feelings of you endless stream of fucking simps that create women like this?
	It's unbelievable to listen to.
	Get your shit together, fellas.
	I think you're walking back these claims about your hurt.
	So, I tried to invest in something new, and I did successfully put the ex out of my mind for a long time.
	As things got tumultuous between me and my husband, it became harder to, especially since my ex is also like reaching out at this time, so it's like reawakening things.
	Um, so it just kind of like came.
	And then, when I reflected, because I can turn things off, when I reflected, I realized like I built a whole life subconsciously to try to kind of get away from him.
	This total, I'm just gonna be totally this totally sounds like this guy's a plan B.
	I swear to God, it was always me knows.
	It's okay, I can leave you behind.
	You marry another guy, and then when nothing works out, this other dude, he's there.
	I would have never left if it didn't get so toxic at the end with him.
	And it also felt like I was like, Well, I mean, but that just reaffirms that it was plan B, right?
	I mean, but no, no, it was not like I'm just, oh, well, I'm divorced now, so I'm gonna go because there's tons of people that I could do that with.
	There's people with more money that I could do.
	I mean, I don't know.
	Like, I'm not inside your mind, I'm not inside your heart.
	But objectively, I guess.
	It's impossible for me to actually determine your intent.
	Do I have kind of my own thoughts on it?
	Of course, it sounds kind of silly to me.
	But the thing is, it's like it's also possible that you're totally telling the truth.
	I can't determine your intent, but I am going to make one prediction, right?
	100% you're not getting married to this guy.
	You don't think so?
	I guarantee it.
	Maybe not.
	I guess it'll be up to him.
	Mm-hmm.
	Because I'm letting him lead.
	Yeah.
	Weeks.
	You think?
	Maybe.
	It could be right.
	So, to the viewers, you got two massive red pills.
	One, she said she was single.
	She's been having sex with her ex-boyfriend for three weeks.
	Two, they've flown out together.
	We didn't see each other for years.
	He's invested in her, paid for her lawyers, but she's single.
	The second red pill, the second red pill, is that during the course of her marriage, she was fantasizing about her ex.
	That part's here.
	That's red pill number two.
	That part is fair.
	But the first part, so bullshit because I am single because we haven't agreed that, like, okay, we're going to for sure do this.
	We're just here right now.
	Johnny Spiral donated $69.69.
	I love you, honey.
	And my ex.
	I let guys watch me take off my clothes while you're at work.
	I can't stop thinking about my ex and his juicy red hot dog.
	Good little doggy.
	Sincerely, Johnny Spiral.
	I haven't danced in like 10 years, y'all.
	I don't know.
	Thank you, Johnny.
	Oh, there's a third red pill.
	Yeah, I'd say your ex was around during that, right?
	Or like eight years or something like that.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	There does exist actually a third red pill that Andrew pointed out.
	And this is the fact that you dated him, the ex-guy.
	You dated him.
	He sounded great, but you said there was a move that you wanted to make and that you were being a shithead.
	There were a lot of issues.
	Mostly.
	Because of you?
	Mostly me, yes.
	Like I did the bigger things.
	So the bigger red pillar is that relationship ended.
	You now have two kids from another man.
	And you are now back with him now that we don't know yet.
	What Andrew said.
	We don't know yet.
	Andrew put it much more eloquently.
	He has to see, like, we have to see if he can, if he's really willing to take on kids and if we're still compatible and if we even still know.
	Wait, wait, wait, wait.
	That's not red pill number two.
	Hang on.
	That's not the key.
	That's not the key.
	The key isn't what he's willing to do.
	The key was when you said, I would marry him tomorrow.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	So the key in here is like, just so you know, right, if that is the case, no, there's not going to be the marriage.
	Why do you say that?
	There's not going to be any of that.
	Why do you say that?
	Because you're a playtoy.
	You screwed him over and he's getting massive revenge and he's having a moment.
	I mean, he left literally having a ball doing it.
	He left a relationship to get back with me that he had been in three years.
	He doesn't give a fuck about no relationship.
	Oh, now he left his relationship too?
	I have boy, this is real.
	What?
	Wait, what?
	He left his relationship.
	What?
	Wait, he was dating a chick?
	Yeah.
	And so once I got divorced, it was like, so what?
	And then, but we saw each other in person and it just was like day one.
	And so we both were like, we can't not do this.
	Dude.
	You know, wait, so no, I'm not a playtoy, I assure you.
	Here's red pill number four.
	You said when it came to your kids, I think you said something along the lines of, and you can just restate it if I get it wrong.
	You're still trying to figure out if he's like kind of ready to take on the father role.
	Well, not right off the bat, but like anytime you date someone, you have kids.
	You can just restate what you said.
	Something about like if he can handle, you know, playing stepdad.
	How many kids do you have too?
	Two.
	And how old are they?
	Two and three.
	Don't you think having that conversation would be appropriate before you fuck him again?
	No, we've had the conversation for years.
	The reality is that.
	But you have years?
	But hold on.
	You were with your husband.
	I tried to file for a divorce, couldn't because I was pregnant.
	Then he got me pregnant again.
	We'll just say that.
	Through no fault of your own.
	Genuinely, no.
	And anyway, so I was kind of like stuck.
	But my husband knew.
	I told him, like, I don't want to be with you.
	The second that I can leave, I'm going to.
	I'm in love with him.
	So this is just what it is.
	This is the wildest fucking story.
	I was never not.
	I was never not honest about it.
	And so we would just text ever so often.
	And there's been times where he, like, one time he drunk texted me.
	And he was like, I've thought an unhealthy amount about raising your kids, and I don't know if I can have kids and all these things.
	So I get to talk about it.
	I get that you guys have had conversations in the past when you guys were used to be dating and you talked about what does the future hold?
	Are we going to have kids?
	You have kids now.
	No, no, no.
	We've had these conversations since I had kids.
	Sure, that's fine.
	But you have kids now.
	What conversation is there to be had?
	You have kids.
	Right.
	It's either get on board.
	Why would you date a guy who's not about to be a kid?
	You can conceptually be okay with it, but and I'm not letting everybody around my kids.
	So you can't.
	No, no, no, because you can't just let anybody around your kids.
	So anybody that you talk to might think they can do it.
	But until if they don't have children, they don't know the reality of being around fucking toddlers all the time.
	Sure.
	It can be overwhelming.
	So that's what the trial is about.
	Like, you think you can handle this.
	Can you?
	And also, like.
	I just wanted to make sure that I reiterated this correctly.
	You can correct me if I am wrong.
	You dated.
	You have Tourette's now, too?
	Well, I've always had Tourette's, yes.
	I have motor tips.
	No, no, no.
	I have persistent motor tape disorder.
	So, like, just not cool.
	All right, all right, gotcha.
	So anyway, just kidding.
	So we start with when you were doing stripping in OnlyFans, you meet this guy.
	You dated him.
	You loved him.
	You adored him, right?
	But you were a shithead.
	And so when he moved, you guys broke up, right?
	And this was mostly your fault.
	That's a very short version.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Mostly your fault.
	Okay, so now you enter into your marriage.
	You get married to this guy.
	You think he's great at first.
	You marry.
	You're still secretly pining after your ex, though you have buried these feelings.
	And about the time that you get pregnant the first time, that's when you really decide, oh shit, I don't want to be married to this guy anymore.
	And that's when the feelings of the ex really begin to reawaken.
	Well, that's when like all the abusive, crazy shit started to happen.
	But that's when the feelings for the ex really started to unbury themselves.
	Maybe after that, it kind of like unfolded very slowly.
	Okay.
	And then it moves.
	Okay, got it.
	And then it moves now past this to you're divorced from the ex.
	You met up back up with him because you wanted to go get your boom boom stick.
	And he happened to have it for whatever reason.
	And there was a little bit more going on than just the boom boom stick.
	There were two boom boom sticks over there.
	Apparently, you wanted.
	So you go over there, right?
	You get both of them.
	Mandy, if I were donated $69, this chick has officially made me want to shit in my house.
	Right?
	So hold on.
	I get divorced.
	I'm like, yo.
	And he's like, well, I have a girlfriend.
	And I'm like, okay, fine.
	Wait, wait, so you hit him up because you wanted to be with him?
	I mean, yeah.
	But he had a girlfriend?
	No, no.
	He had like hit me up over the years saying, oof.
	And I feel so bad talking about this because I'm sure she's not.
	Yeah, it's fucking horrible.
	Like, wait, you, your ex-husband, you were having an emotional affair with him because you were in love with this other guy.
	Well, and he was hitting you up and you were actually talking to him.
	And then we fast forward.
	And when you divorce, you know, you hit this other guy up.
	Hang on.
	I just want to make sure I got this right.
	When you're divorced, you hit this other guy up and he's with a chick for and he's been with her for three years and he left her for you.
	So here's the thing: I was already like done with my husband.
	I just, we were legally married.
	Like, I couldn't leave, is the issue.
	Why couldn't you leave?
	I don't have any family in the state.
	I had two back-to-back births and like definitely couldn't financially leave, couldn't afford a divorce attorney.
	He's also telling me if I left, it was scary.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	So I was kind of just like stuck for a while.
	And simultaneously, he had been with the girl for a few years.
	It wasn't going anywhere.
	He wants a traditional woman, like someone to start a life with and have children.
	And she didn't want to do that.
	She wanted to do the boss babe.
	I'm getting my PhD.
	No, I'm not going to.
	He bought a house and he gave her the opportunity to move in with him and live there.
	So like it wasn't that serious.
	But they kind of just had like totally independent lives after three years.
	But essentially what happened is we found the opposite of each other thinking that would be better.
	And then it very mutually like.
	That sounds very romanticized.
	And like it also sounds really like you're trying to fit the pieces together in order to form a narrative that you like, right?
	Well, maybe, but I've talked to other people and dated other people, married other people, and I can at least speak for myself that that's, it's not comparable.
	Okay.
	So, no, but so listen, so he had texted me actually a few times, and I'm like, you know, well, if you are we're gonna fucking do it or not?
	Because I'm not gonna do this while you have a girlfriend, so like you have to get rid of the girlfriend.
	So then he's like, I don't know.
	It was pretty toxic with us.
	Maybe not.
	So then I go through a whole grieving process.
	So he's still with the girlfriend and you're the other woman?
	No, no, no.
	We didn't do anything.
	No, no, no, no, wait, wait, wait.
	Back up.
	If you're telling him, if you want me, you have to ditch her.
	You're the other woman.
	Okay, so yes, but nothing's happening.
	Yeah, I get it.
	You're not screwing him, but you're still the other woman.
	Right.
	Okay.
	So, sure.
	She was, she was borrowing him for me, really.
	But yes, whatever.
	Anyway, I go through a whole grieving process.
	I'm like, fuck this.
	So by the time my house got broken into, I even brought a friend with me, had the friend knock on the door.
	I didn't want to see him.
	I didn't know how it was going to go, but I needed my fucking gun because you apply for a gun mid-divorce in Texas.
	Apparently, they're not going to approve it until after your court date because they're like, you might go kill your ex-husband.
	What do you mean, apply for a gun integration?
	You don't have to apply for a gun.
	You have to do a background check and they can put holds on it.
	Yes.
	Yeah, for three days.
	Nope.
	Yeah.
	I did it.
	Andrew.
	So you got denied?
	No, I didn't get denied.
	They just never fucking did anything.
	What are you talking about?
	They ran the.
	Okay, you went down, you filled out your 447.
	And the people at Cabela's told me if you have a pending court date, it can take over a month.
	So I'm like, okay, so then she loans me a gun.
	And when the person breaks in my house, I noticed the triggers pulled all the way back.
	So I couldn't even do anything if I wanted to.
	And she didn't know that, by the way.
	So I'm like, fuck.
	And then I was just like so shaken by the whole experience.
	I'm like, I have to go get my gun.
	So I did.
	And I had my friend knock and everything.
	And then he looked out the door and was just like staring.
	And then that was it.
	That was it.
	Yeah.
	Even though you had been texting him and everything else for years.
	Like once every six months or something.
	You got to keep those coals burning.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	That's a wild, wild, wild tale.
	I'm not going to lie.
	Wild tale.
	But okay.
	I mean, again, I don't know the intent, and I don't know all the details for the story, but I mean, it sounds fucking horrible, but I don't know all the details.
	So.
	Wait, Alyssa, do you still do spicy content?
	Yeah, do you?
	I don't have OnlyFans anymore.
	I've done private snap over the years, but not currently.
	Oh, well.
	Somebody, maybe they might not hear me, Andrew, but you still have an XXX Snapchat.
	Can you just say that in the mic handler?
	You have an XXX Snapchat?
	It exists, but I don't log into it.
	Oh.
	Somebody told me.
	Okay.
	So you're not doing any new content anymore?
	No.
	Whatsoever?
	No.
	And even like when I did private Snap throughout the divorce proceedings, it was just like recycling old shit to kind of like I had to do something.
	Because I did apply for benefits and got denied somehow.
	I don't know how the fuck that happened.
	I even started a cleaning LLC to have something that I could take the kids to work with and got my real estate license, but then all that shit happened with the real estate world where it's like almost impossible to do real estate now.
	So, I mean, you know, my husband, my ex-husband was not helping with the kids, and I had to do something.
	So there was a time, even after becoming a Christian, yes, where I was doing like private snap out of necessity.
	Because I don't have like the family members that I can call and be like, yo.
	It's always out of necessity.
	It's like, and like get a job doing telemarketing or something.
	I tried.
	I can even prove it.
	I applied for so many work-from-home jobs and paid somebody to do my resume, even.
	But the cleaning LLC is getting me by right now.
	So cleaning houses.
	Okay.
	When you have kids to support, you got to humble yourself, you know?
	They have supported kids.
	It's honestly kind of therapeutic, though.
	Like, I don't dislike it.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	All right.
	I mean, I don't really know where to take that story because I think we've said all point is to be said.
	People will fucking commit.
	It's not an issue.
	Weeks?
	Just my opinion.
	Weeks.
	You could definitely be right.
	Things like that are so fragile anyway.
	Like, I'm not naive to the fact that.
	It's a honeymoon period.
	For sure.
	Yeah, I'm not naive to that.
	And then the revenge will come.
	You'll see.
	It's revenge.
	I've implanted it in your brain now, and you're going to be thinking about it.
	That motherfucker's right.
	It was revenge.
	He wanted revenge the whole time.
	That's not, I'm not naive to that either.
	You know what?
	He's sitting at the Airbnb right now and he's like, excellent.
	But then he went.
	This motherfucker just told me the fucking shit.
	This motherfucker just told on me.
	What the fuck?
	I don't think he would have left the PhD.
	Plus, the shock on.
	Actually, everyone who knows us is not going to be shocked.
	They all know.
	On both sides of our family.
	My whole family is already like, yeah, yeah, we've been waiting for this shit to happen.
	All our friends, like, everybody's null.
	No one's surprised.
	But it is crazy.
	I know it's crazy, though.
	All right.
	I'm going to go.
	Do I have a smoke?
	I got some more questions.
	I got questions related to that.
	All right.
	That's an interesting story.
	Good talk.
	Good talk.
	Before I get into a few more of my notes, any dating topics anybody wants to hit on?
	It's been a year since I left my husband and more years than that, really.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	You got something?
	You got anything?
	What you got for us?
	What you got?
	You got stuff.
	You've been sitting quiet for a minute.
	Oh, I'm just getting tired.
	That's why.
	What you got for us?
	I mean, you got some.
	You got some things you want to say.
	Well, I need an opinion first to counteract.
	Okay, I got some hold on one.
	Okay, all right, here we go.
	Uh, I'll throw out some hot takes.
	Okay, the accent's cringe, never mind, uh.
	So most men do not care or find you more attractive because of your career success, money or academic achievement.
	Wait, what was the?
	Can you repeat it sorry?
	Oh okay, all right, once again, most men do not care or find you more attractive because of your career success money, academic achievement.
	I agree with that.
	I think most men value beauty.
	Any disagreements disagree.
	I'd say it varies from men to men, man to man.
	Yeah, there's some like sims out there that like want to get pegged.
	I would, yeah for sure, but like, generally speaking, I don't think men care.
	Do you disagree with that statement?
	Generally speaking no, I don't.
	You have something.
	Well I, with my husband.
	He's always stated that he appreciates that.
	You know I'm ambitious and, you know, want to do more than just.
	I guess you know I mean, obviously I want to be a stay-at-home mom soon, but after that, once my kids are grown up, I would also like to, you know, maybe go back into my field, wait.
	So when you uh, when your kids are grown up, how many kids do you want?
	I would like to have like three probably, three or four, three or four.
	And then, when you say kids are grown up, 18 plus probably high school age okay, so three to four kids.
	So for a 22 year period of time.
	You want to be a, you're gonna be a stay-at-home mom?
	I would like to.
	I don't like to.
	I don't know if that's what you want, right?
	I would like to.
	Yes, but he also likes that I had.
	You know, I have a background.
	I have a art history.
	I had an art history degree history, and I worked in interior design for a bit.
	I'm kind of in between right now.
	Wait, I'm sorry.
	What's that reference?
	Art history, curvy enthusiast?
	He's okay, I'm sorry.
	So what do you do for work?
	I'm in between jobs right now.
	I was just, I was working in interior design.
	I'm looking to continue working in interior designs, but just between positions.
	And you have your bachelor's yes okay, and your husband has told you that he is like, he likes that I'm a well-rounded person, that I'm not just you know, I think he likes that I have ambitions and would like to possibly start a business in the future.
	It's just not the immediate future.
	2050 no no, probably within the next, like 10 to 15 years, when kids are in school.
	But you said you want to be stay-at-home well, they're well until your kids are well, until the first one's in high school.
	About, you know when they're in school, so I could work during while they're in school time.
	If that makes sense, clarify.
	Well, I mean I get that like.
	I mean even me, as much of an asshole as I am, if I was talking to a girl and she had some job, I'm not gonna like tank my chances with her and Be like, yeah, fuck your job.
	Don't care.
	I'll be like, oh, babe.
	Wow, you are fucking secretary.
	Good job.
	No, but ambition is attractive.
	Like, for example, right?
	You know, people do these little lies where it's like, your wife asks you, do I look fat in this dress?
	And you're like, you don't tell her that.
	You just, you say, like, yeah, just a bit.
	No, I'm just kidding.
	But you say, no, babe, you look great.
	You don't look fat in that dress.
	Whatever.
	In the same way, as a guy, you can't just shit on your woman's, like, if she has a job.
	You can't just shit on it.
	You kind of got to be like, I mean, Andrew would.
	I would.
	I'd be tempted to, but I would probably do the whole, like, no, you don't look fat in that dress.
	Oh, you work for some faceless corporation that doesn't give a fuck about you?
	Congratulations.
	I love your ambition.
	No, he doesn't.
	No, I would say that shit to her face.
	I'd be like, I don't give a fuck about your job.
	I'm pretty mean.
	I do send my breakfast back sometimes.
	I was going to say, my husband, first of all, will say, tell me I look fat, but don't do that.
	No.
	No, he will say, oh, you've gained weight or something.
	And I do the same thing.
	I think your husband was like, your art history degree is so sexy.
	No, no, but he likes that, you know, I'm not just sitting on my butt all day.
	Just, you know, I mean, think of Van Gogh.
	Are you?
	I do.
	I do like Van Gogh.
	I like post-impressionism.
	Are you into modern art?
	Not as much, no.
	I like post-impressionism.
	I like Baroque.
	I like Renaissance era.
	Yeah.
	I fuck with Baroque.
	You're an artsy person?
	Not at all.
	Not.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Moving on.
	Let's see.
	Oh, boy.
	Okay.
	Oh.
	I have seen some artwork done by a woman in the studio about Brian, though.
	I have seen some of that.
	I have a couple fan art.
	Yeah, but I saw a woman who was sending you art once.
	Oh, does right?
	Yeah, that's weird.
	She was trying to win your heart.
	Yeah, we don't talk about that.
	Okay, let's see here.
	I'm going to go through my stack, then we'll do a row session, then we'll wrap the show.
	Fucked.
	Do you guys think that Andrew or myself?
	The grammar is totally fucked on this.
	Andrew or me?
	Me or Andrew?
	Andrew or I?
	Andrew or I. Andrew or I. Do you think I?
	No?
	Wait, do you think me or I?
	Do you think I am?
	Look, I'm an ESL student.
	English is my second language.
	What's your question for you?
	French.
	French.
	We.
	Okay.
	Do you think I'm a misogynist or do you think Andrew's a misogynist?
	Going around the table.
	Starting with you, Miss Clementine.
	Probably more you.
	More me?
	You do seem like you're kind of.
	Andrew at least goes down on women from what I heard last episode.
	That's what they're talking about.
	I have never heard about it.
	Did we not catch that?
	I have never said anything of the sort.
	It's ridiculous.
	Ridiculous.
	I kind of came in late on.
	You just repeat it.
	I don't know.
	I don't think we had it on you.
	God.
	Can I do this?
	So I'm more of a, just go ahead.
	Well, that one, I'm just fucking around.
	But I said, probably you are more misogynist.
	I really don't think either one of you.
	I think you probably have a bad history with women and you inflate your shit.
	But I think, you know, because he at least goes down on girls.
	So he's more slightly.
	That's fucking disgusting.
	Slightly less.
	Women hating.
	Wait, because he does that.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Couldn't trolling.
	What episode was this?
	What episode was this?
	Armpit hair feminist armpit hair feminist episode?
	Okay.
	Well, that's what they said.
	Why would that make you a misogynist?
	Like, with a woman be a misandrist if she didn't suck dick.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	This darn misandrist, this misandry.
	That's what next time a girl won't go down on me, I'll be like, you fucking fucking misandrist.
	But I think probably man-hating pieces of money.
	I think probably he probably likes women more.
	The fuck that level, like on a fundamental level.
	At least I want women to vote.
	That's because of how much you hate them, Brian.
	I love them enough to liberate.
	I love them enough to liberate them from such an atrocious responsibility.
	You really don't think women should vote or be afraid of the people.
	I don't think most people should not have brought that up.
	Yeah, it's true.
	Yeah, most people.
	He's also just nicer to women in general.
	Yeah.
	It's like the first time this has ever been stated ever in the history of the podcast.
	Usually, yeah, usually I get labeled as being the absolute monster, and you get labeled as the person who's nice.
	Well, I don't think you're like not nice, but I think your respect for women is just a little bit stronger.
	Again, this has got to be a first.
	Am I wrong on the whatever podcast?
	Are you going to look at me and tell me that I'm wrong?
	No, I'm not wrong.
	Look at your face.
	You know it.
	I just, it's funny because I like, I know Andrew's positions on so many things.
	But I like, it's just, you would find his positions, I think, pretty upsetting.
	And that's why I think your statement is funny.
	Yeah, but he still treats women like people when they talk.
	Like, you can be a little aggressive.
	And like, absolutely fucking savage.
	But, but I don't think either one of you are just.
	I'm so sorry that I don't pamper and go.
	Oh, oh, my dear.
	Oh, you.
	I don't need that.
	You were emotionally cheating on your ex-husband, and while you were fucking your husband, when you were fucking your husband, oh, sweet.
	Oh, you sweet summer.
	Oh, my sweet summer child.
	Oh, you were thinking of your ex while you were fucking your husband.
	Your husband was having, he thought he was in love with you.
	He was like, but am I wrong?
	No, he knew.
	He didn't think anything.
	I was very upfront, like autistically direct about it.
	So he was fucking you, and you're like, yeah, I'm thinking about fucking.
	I never thought about my external sex.
	What?
	Yes, you did.
	No, I didn't.
	Don't stop lying.
	I'm not like a visual person.
	Why would I admit any of this other shit if I was going to lie about that?
	You're a fucking liar.
	No.
	But am I wrong?
	I have always thought that the charge of how horrible I am to women has been wildly overstated and over or not ever contextualized as to the fact that all I do is just argue with them the same way that I would men.
	Yeah, I think that's fine.
	I think the fundamental, like, would you play stepdad for anybody?
	What does that have to do with that?
	I just think that he has a little bit more empathy and genuine love for women.
	That's all.
	I don't think being a stepfather proves that.
	I think if you're super misogynistic, you're not even going to consider it.
	What?
	I don't, this whole thing.
	Think about misogynistic.
	I want to kind of pull a little bit back from this point you're making because it's one I hear frequently.
	So this idea that, like, for example, these men who are incels that become like, oh, you must hate women because you can't get women.
	The most misogynistic men in the world fuck tons of, like, players are super misogynistic.
	I agree.
	So this idea that, oh, you can't get women.
	No, I'm not saying you can't get women.
	That's not what I'm saying.
	But I'm kind of pulling it back from, oh, well, you wouldn't do this.
	So therefore, like, I wouldn't be a stepfather.
	Therefore, I have less empathy for women.
	So it's like, oh, it's kind of the similar argument as, oh, you can't get these men who can't get women or don't have success with women and they're more inclined towards misogyny.
	It's actually the player dudes.
	It's the guys who actually get women and see how y'all move.
	Those are the real misogynists.
	No, trust me.
	No, I agree with you on that.
	Trust me.
	But I just think his fundamental values probably come from a place of love for women and religion.
	I think, and I think some of them are inflated for views.
	And I think that, I think you probably have a deeper.
	No, no, that I do reject.
	I think.
	I feel.
	I always felt like I was very honest about my actual views.
	Let me put it like this.
	I think that people who view the show probably expect you to be more of an asshole to women than you actually are.
	And I think that, Brian, you probably have a very fundamental, deeply rooted resentment towards women.
	What evidence do you have for that?
	Well, okay, so the last time I was here, you talked about how, you know, like men might have to try five different dates with women before they get approved.
	And the way you talked about it, and you even said it was personal experience too, and there was just such resentment in the tone.
	Also, what did I say?
	Was it vitriol?
	Was he being vitriolic?
	I don't know how, like, I don't know how to explain it, but you definitely have some walls up with women for sure.
	But I don't think either one of you are inherently misogynistic.
	I don't even know what that means.
	I have walls up with women.
	What does that mean?
	I don't know.
	I think that maybe when you were, do you want me to, do you really want me to give a psychoanalysis?
	I can't wait.
	Yeah, go ahead.
	I'll entertain this.
	You're just going to argue it.
	I don't know.
	I think maybe when you were younger, you probably got rejected a good bit.
	And also, maybe somebody very deeply hurt you.
	And it could be very genuine, a genuine analysis of the negative aspects of women.
	Brian, who hurt you?
	Who hurt you, Brian?
	Also, the fact that you like the crazy bitches, too.
	What?
	Are you actually?
	A girl went through your phone on the first date and you were with her for five years.
	After, oh my God, be so for real.
	I don't like crazy bitches.
	Why did you stay with one for so long?
	First off, I was incredibly young.
	Okay, so maybe you don't now.
	Absolutely not.
	No.
	I can buy that.
	Yeah.
	You know, you have learning experiences.
	You're like, when you're young, especially men, like, you don't know what crazy is until you land on it.
	That's true.
	And then this is like fucking Reverso Bizarro land.
	But am I wrong?
	Like, you know what?
	Well, no, I think you're wrong.
	Brian's actually super nice.
	He's super nice to everybody.
	I've never seen him not actually nice.
	Sometimes, because he's like you, he has, he has, you have like weirdism, but he has OCD.
	Oh, and so sometimes he'll be like, sometimes.
	Sometimes he gets a little tilted, as he puts it, right?
	He gets a little upset when his show doesn't go all perfect because of his dumbass OCD.
	But no, he's definitely not.
	So you think you're more misogynistic out of the two?
	Oh, most definitely.
	Really?
	Most definitely.
	Well.
	In fact, I don't even run from the label.
	Like for modern feminists, especially, they absolutely.
	We all just gave the answers.
	Absolutely.
	How are they going to answer objectively?
	Absolutely, modern feminists should absolutely consider me to be a misogynist by all means.
	You just kind of say from their perspective, sure.
	Yeah, from their perspective, they absolutely should.
	But I don't think that's like who you are fundamentally.
	I don't think that's true.
	No, I think that they're fucking evil, drag, scumbag, fucking horrible human beings.
	And I'm glad that they see me as a complete and total rejection of that.
	Like, that makes me super happy.
	That means I'm doing my job correctly.
	Maybe it's just because I'm like a little red-pilled, but I don't think that makes you misogynistic.
	In reality, no.
	But fundamentally, from their perspective, yes, for sure.
	For sure, he would be the nice one.
	Remember, I'm the handsmaid's tail guy, right?
	Fascism.
	I just, I don't see it.
	I don't even get this, though.
	Like, because if you actually, this idea that because I've been rejected, like, this is that, that this has been sort of the genesis of what you allege to be misogyny.
	Hold on.
	Okay.
	Hold on.
	I do have any idea.
	Zip it.
	Zip it good.
	Okay.
	So.
	It's so misogynist.
	So misogynist.
	They don't even treat them like they're peeving.
	It's really interesting because I feel like this is actually much more a common occurrence in women.
	A woman gets at 18 the amount of 18 year old women.
	Mind you, I'm 35.
	I've had a lot of experience with women.
	And for example, I'll still say that I love women.
	I think women are great.
	And I don't always understand them.
	Can't always reason with them.
	Can't always logic with them.
	But still love them.
	Got a sister, got a mom.
	As opposed to me, who genuinely thinks that most modern women are just fucking awful.
	Don't say that, Andrew.
	Hide your misogyny.
	Hide the misogyny.
	But you know what?
	In my defense, most modern women also think most modern women are fucking awful.
	Just to be totally different.
	Yeah, I think at least us two.
	But to finish my point here, is that you got 18-year-old women who have like one bad dating experience with a guy.
	They get fucked and chucked.
	Some guy they really liked fucks them and ghosts, right?
	That gives them carte blanche to essentially become full-blown misandrist man-haters.
	Men are trash.
	I'm trying to think of it.
	All men are the same.
	No, they're like this.
	Every man cheats.
	Women will say this.
	Like, if I were to say women are trash, not a word I've ever said.
	I've never said it.
	People think I've got the most toxic misogynist podcast.
	I've never said women are trash.
	I don't believe it.
	18-year-old women who've had one bad dating experience where they fucked a guy out of their league and he didn't call her back.
	Men are trash.
	They dye their hair fucking pink.
	They get a septum piercing.
	Boom.
	Instant like that.
	I have been rejected.
	Certainly.
	That's the genesis and story of almost every single man.
	Sure.
	Because we're the initiators.
	See, you guys get to- I don't disagree.
	You guys get to walk through life on easy mode.
	You have dating on recruit mode.
	You never, as a woman, have to really deal with rejection the same way men do.
	I agree.
	Yeah.
	But the emotion when you say that tells me there's something a little bit resentful there.
	Just because I'm speaking in an impassioned way, I don't think you can infer anything from that just because I'm speaking impassionately.
	But you're asking people who don't know you guys.
	So that's all we can infer from.
	But I want to say.
	So if I was speaking, if I said this monotone, which I normally am to begin with, that would be maybe, but it's just a feeling that I get.
	And I haven't heard you tell me.
	How you feel?
	Yeah, it's just a well, what can we base it off of otherwise?
	Like, we don't have outside of this.
	I can infer you two.
	You're a stripper because you used to be a sex worker.
	You probably have contempt for men because every single stripper I've talked to and every sex worker I've talked to, because of their experiences with men, they have very poor assessments.
	Well, you'd be right.
	We all base life off of our frame of reference and our individual experiences.
	Now, I love men.
	And even as a dancer, I was very like, men get fucked in divorces, men, suicide rates.
	Like, I've always been that way.
	And, but, but it wouldn't be unfair for you to think that when you have no other context.
	I would understand.
	All right.
	Well, I'm going to move it on to the rest of the panel because you talk a lot.
	Y'all is that misogynist?
	Do y'all ask me the most?
	Well, because I'm trying to go around the table and then you're like, well, let me just psychoanalyze you, Brian.
	Do you think me and Andrew are misogynists?
	Does misogynist, like, do you mean like woman hater by that?
	I just mean that you think that men are superior to women.
	Oh, yeah.
	I think both of you are.
	If that's the definition.
	If that's the definition, I take it back.
	I don't agree with that definition.
	No?
	Because I think it could just be misogyny, like either hatred or contempt of women.
	If it's hatred, I don't think either of them.
	It doesn't have to be like.
	Always trying to give them the most charitable definition possible.
	That is the definition of misogyny.
	Trying to be charitable.
	Do you think women are lesser?
	In many ways.
	And in many ways not.
	I don't think men and women are interchangeable widgets.
	Since I don't think that they're interchangeable widgets, I think that they do different things better than each other.
	But as far as reproduction, life-giving, this is something amazing that women can do.
	And they throw it in the dumpster, which is fucking insane to me.
	But they do it all the time.
	They throw it right in the trash.
	And I think that men are essentially better at almost everything else.
	Definitely.
	Yeah.
	I think you guys are misogynists.
	Yeah.
	Well, he said that.
	I am.
	You got to go to the bathroom.
	So what about me?
	What do you think about me?
	Am I a misogynist?
	I don't know.
	Can you define misogyny?
	Yeah, like the hatred for women, thinking they're lesser.
	Okay, have I said anything that would indicate?
	Andrew said some things tonight.
	I haven't.
	Yeah, no.
	But you guys are sitting next to each other.
	Oh, okay.
	Guilt by association.
	the same team right i like how andrew's trying to have a pro life lifer next to you I don't know if you have to, like, become more that way.
	Okay.
	Well, I don't know.
	I don't know you.
	I don't know if you're, if you say things like that.
	I mean, I think it's totally acceptable, and I don't even think women fucking care.
	I think that they're like, yeah, good.
	Like, fucking women suck.
	Good.
	Honestly, that's what I think.
	90% of the women I talk to, right?
	90% of it, if you actually talk to them and they're away from the rest of the henpecking pitches, they're like, you're right.
	They're fucking awful.
	They suck.
	I love watching you rip them to pieces because they're so fucking dumb and they do stupid, retarded shit all day, and I can't believe it, right?
	That's what they say.
	I just think everybody sucks.
	Women are misogynistic, too.
	Wait, can I ask you a question?
	If there were three men coming, like you were on the street and you saw three men coming at night and you were alone, would you cross the street?
	Probably, yeah.
	Oh, okay.
	Yeah, you're a sexist then.
	Yeah, Miss Angels.
	Oh.
	Huh?
	I've had guys, like, come up to my car and try to open my car door in a parking lot that was busy, like a creepy old guy.
	Like, did you ask how you're a sexist?
	Yeah, how?
	How is that?
	Because you're making value judgments based on their sex.
	I'd probably cross the street based on any negative energy if it was negative.
	not.
	I don't want to be, it depends on if it's like in your neighborhood, you know.
	It's negative energy.
	There's not ropes of energy, right?
	So let me just ask you the question this way.
	I'll make it super simple.
	Okay, two women who are walking towards you who look about your size, height, build, this type of thing, okay, versus two men, right, who are average height, average build, this type of thing.
	It's late at night.
	You have the option to cross the street.
	Would you cross the street for the men before you would the women?
	For the men before the women?
	Maybe.
	But it's kind of awkward if somebody's walking towards you, like, to just immediately get to the point of view.
	You have the option.
	You just have the option to cross the street in such a way where it's subtle enough where it doesn't look like you're avoiding them, but you are.
	Those are two weird questions.
	They're interesting.
	I probably would just keep walking because it's more worked across the street.
	Good run if they're going to try it.
	Okay, what if it's a group of four?
	Group of four.
	I mean, hopefully they're going to move over a little bit, right?
	On the sidewalk.
	Okay, so at night, you don't cross the street when strange men are walking towards you.
	Might.
	Yeah, you might.
	Well, that's a value judgment based on sex.
	So, and the thing is, is like, I think that's fine.
	I think it's fine to make value judgments based on sex.
	I think that men do it all the time.
	They're like, I'm not going to fucking hire a woman.
	What a nightmare that would be.
	So they're making a value judgment based on sex.
	Just like if you make a value judgment based on sex, you think that men are going to assault you in the dead of night.
	I'm like, okay, well, you know what?
	Maybe there's something there to support that.
	Tons of women seem to think that this is the case.
	It's like, okay, fine.
	Go with your intuition because you're a pattern recognition machine.
	Just don't get mad at men when they do the same shit.
	When they're like, yeah, I don't want to get fucking accused of SA and a bunch of bullshit that I never did.
	So I ain't hired no women.
	Now, I can't figure out.
	I've never been able to figure out how that's a misogynist take, even though I get told all the time it is.
	It seems to me like I'm just making the same value judgment you're making.
	I'm making the same exact judgment that you're making just in reverse.
	I hear you, but it's also discriminating to not hire upon gender or race.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	So the thing is, is like, it's also discriminating to cross the street.
	No, I've never seen it.
	Yes, you're doing it on the basis of sex.
	But crossing the street doesn't affect anybody.
	Hang on.
	What if you crossed the street only because they were black?
	Would that be discrimination?
	Maybe.
	Yeah.
	So if you're crossing the street based on the fact that they're black.
	Because they're black.
	Yeah.
	And then if you're crossing the street based on the fact that they're men, then yeah, you're discriminating.
	You're literally using discrimination as a value judgment.
	So hold on.
	What's worse?
	A woman not getting a job or you thinking men are predators?
	Well, just because I cross the street doesn't mean I think they're predators.
	I don't think that's what you're predators.
	Well, you're not saying these two particular men are actually going to do something.
	You're just erring on the side of caution, right?
	Maybe I just don't want to be walking so close to people.
	Sure, sure.
	Well, you're just erring on the side of caution.
	And it's like, okay, but I think that that's the same exact thing that men are doing when they don't hire women.
	They're just erring on the side of caution.
	They're just doing the exact same thing in reverse.
	They're like, well, you know, I mean, chances are you're not going to do anything, but why take the chance?
	You know, seems like it could be pretty catastrophic.
	So why don't you see that?
	I just don't see a woman going into a workplace with all men and them being the only woman and just like randomly accusing somebody of sexual assault unless they well, no, there's many other problems, right?
	Maybe they start dating inside of the workplace or they create friction between multiple employees.
	It happens in every workplace, though.
	Yes, but it happens more with women because women tend to attack reputation, slander reputation more than they attack arguments, things like this, because they don't seem to really understand arguments.
	Are there statistics on that?
	Personal attacks.
	Instant.
	Yes, there are.
	Yes, of course.
	Of course.
	Yes, of course, women use innuendo and slander as their form of attack more than anything else.
	They don't have physical force like men do.
	Men are more likely to use physical force or argumentation.
	Women are more likely to use reputational damage and slander.
	So if that's the case, yeah, they're going to cause a lot of problems in the workplace.
	It's not that men don't do it.
	They do it, right?
	It's just the rates.
	They definitely do it, too.
	Yeah, it's the rates.
	I mean, women essay men, too.
	You're talking about the difference in rates, right?
	That's what you think in your head.
	That's why you make that value judgment.
	It's like, I don't blame a woman for crossing the street when a group of men are approaching her.
	I don't blame her.
	I'm like, okay, that makes sense.
	I just don't know why they blame men for not wanting to hire them.
	It's like, that makes fucking sense too.
	That's all.
	How does it not?
	Yeah.
	More notes here.
	Okay, so let's just try to get through all of these as quick as possible.
	Oh, is it wrong for men to not want to date a trans woman because they're trans?
	No, it's not wrong.
	Like, starting with you?
	That's a sensitive subject.
	I think that everyone should have, everyone has their own sexuality.
	Everyone has their own preferences.
	People who are bisexual, maybe just identify with like liking men or women.
	And then somebody who's like pansexual doesn't really care based off of gender.
	So, I mean, people have their sexualities.
	If you're straight, maybe you don't want to be with a trans woman.
	Okay.
	Wait, but so is it, I guess I can restate the question here.
	Is it wrong or would you object in some way for a man to not want to date a trans woman?
	No.
	Okay.
	Keep away from them if you need to.
	Hang on.
	There was some subtext there that I have to follow up on real quick, and I'll ask this a different way.
	So let's say a man is totally attracted to a trans woman, right?
	Does not realize this person is trans, thinks that they're great and wonderful.
	They have this like serious connection, this and that, then finds out that they're transferred.
	Unfortunately, it's not safe for trans women.
	Hang on, hang on.
	Yeah, hang on.
	Let me finish the question.
	Finds out that that person is trans, and then based on only that, says, okay, I reject you.
	Is that wrong?
	No, it's, I don't, I don't think it's wrong.
	I mean, all right.
	Yeah.
	You mean what?
	I don't think it's wrong.
	I think that it's it's safer for trans women to disclose that they're trans sooner rather than later when they're dating.
	Unfortunately, it's not safe to wait.
	Okay.
	Your answer to the question?
	No, I don't think it's wrong.
	No, it's not wrong.
	No.
	No, it's not wrong.
	Okay.
	And then one further question.
	Is it straight for a man to date a trans woman?
	No.
	Okay.
	I think yes.
	I don't know.
	I really don't.
	That's the bow out.
	You know.
	You know what you want to say.
	What do you think you want to say?
	Yes.
	You want to say yes, it's totally straight.
	That's what I think you want to say.
	No.
	So would you, how about this?
	If I were to say that that's gay for a man to date a trans woman, like he's not straight, he's gay.
	Sure, a lot of trans people would agree that that is gay.
	Well, what do you think?
	I think it is.
	Maybe.
	I don't really know, though.
	All right.
	Oh, yeah, it's not straight.
	It's not straight.
	Wait, you said yes, straight?
	I said it is straight.
	Oh, it's straight.
	Okay.
	What's the meaning of heterosexual?
	Well, you said completely straight.
	I think it depends on what the partner is attracted to.
	Like, are they attracted to the penis?
	Like, because if they're attracted to the penis, then that's not.
	Because like I feel like if the post-op if it's oh, okay, so if they like I think that this if it's post-op, then yeah, it's straight.
	Does that you does that change your answer?
	I think that yeah, that they're post-op.
	So if you fuck a eunuch, it's straight.
	But I'm not that person, like, so I would be able to consider me if I was because I think that like trans people, whatever they identify as, like, I believe in trans.
	Yeah, change the split.
	Yeah.
	Um, maybe we can just kind of quickly dive into this.
	So, um, you agree that that's still male.
	Um, wait, so what?
	I'm not asking man, I asked male.
	Yes, I agree.
	It's a male.
	Yes.
	And if two male animals were engaged in sexual intercourse, are those animals engaged in homosexual intercourse?
	Yes, but they're, I think it's different in humanity.
	Okay, tell me the threshold breaker.
	Um, I would say just the fact that we have gender roles in humanity.
	Like, I think there's no gender role which you can assign that you can say belongs to a sex, not a single one.
	Honestly, I think actually, let me take a step back because I don't necessarily think it has to do with gender roles.
	I think it has to do even more so with like when we talk about, like, for example, like when we were having the conversation, I know you disagree with this, but like how we were talking about how women are like more nurturing.
	I think that like there are like biological things about men and women that are different, like in the brain.
	And I think that that is where like gender dysphoria comes in, and that's where transness is a piece.
	Yeah, but there's transgender people without gender dysphoria, yeah.
	No, I don't think that's true.
	Gender dysphoria is required to be trans.
	No, no, no.
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	Go ahead.
	Yeah, why does it require gender dysphoria?
	Because gender dysphoria is the disconnect between the brain and the body.
	I see.
	So a pansexual person is not trans if they don't have gender dysphoria.
	Well, pansexual people are.
	That's a sexuality, not a pansexual person who identifies as being trans is not trans if they don't have gender dysphoria.
	What is that?
	I don't understand your point because pansexuals, the attraction is all about the same.
	If a person identifies as being transgender, you're saying that it requires that they have gender dysphoria to do so.
	Yes.
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Why would that be the requirement?
	Because the whole basis of being trans is a disconnect between the brain and the body.
	The autocost donated $99.
	Is it okay for the government to have a gender equivalent draft for women where women are assigned a husband and mandated to have children?
	Yo, Theo, you're the guy.
	You're from last stream, right?
	The Giga Chad legend.
	First off, good to see you back in the chat.
	Second off, thank you for all the support on Sunday.
	Yeah, Theotokos, what's up, ma'am?
	So, yeah, just I'll just kind of very, very quickly barrel through this, right?
	I'll ask this afterwards.
	So, um, okay, so now we've got this confined to mental illness, then.
	I see, that's a thing.
	Like, I don't, sure, you can say gender dysphoria is a mental illness.
	Yeah, if you want to say transness is a mental illness, then yeah, sure, say it's a mental illness, and we cure that by giving them gender reassignment surgery.
	They're not cured.
	Hasn't homophobia been cured.
	Okay, so then what's the problem?
	What do you think the cure is?
	There is no cure.
	What do you mean?
	Wait, hold on.
	What were you saying?
	Wasn't being homosexual classified as a mental illness at one point?
	Yeah.
	So, so anyway.
	How far are we going back?
	Well, you have to understand, though, that we have two distinctions here.
	So, distinction: the first distinction is she says a trans person must have gender dysphoria.
	They're not trans.
	Okay.
	Well, what is gender dysphoria?
	It's a mental illness.
	So, therefore, therefore, by her logic, you must be mentally ill to be trans, right?
	Sure.
	I don't think that's a problem.
	So, then if somebody doesn't want to date a person based on the fact that they're mentally ill, what's the problem?
	I didn't say that there was a problem based.
	If someone doesn't want to date a trans person, I don't think there's an issue.
	Okay.
	So, I'm trying to figure out, though, why is it that because they're mentally ill, that that somehow makes them not homosexuals when they're engaged with men with sex?
	Wait, can you refra, can you restate it?
	Sorry, I was.
	Oh, okay.
	Yeah, it's very hard to critique this because of the platform that we're on.
	So, I'll phrase it this way: if a person were to have fuck, I can't even, you just got to move it on, bro.
	I can't, I can't phrase it any other way to critique it.
	I like, I just can't do it.
	So, if there's if there's something wrong, right?
	Something wrong upstairs, please.
	Let's say something wrong upstairs.
	Um, I don't understand how that would disqualify male-on-male sexual intercourse as being anything less than homosexual intercourse.
	That's what I don't get.
	Well, the thing is, I don't see male on male as like male biology on male biology as necessarily homosexual.
	I think man-on-man is homosexual.
	And I, as yeah, but man is anybody who identifies as a man.
	Yeah.
	If that's the case, then you don't have to have gender dysphoria to be trans because you could just self-identify as the sex and you would be that sex.
	Well, I don't think, I don't think that's right, then.
	Then you have to qualify it because you say anybody who identifies a man is a man, right?
	I think any, no, I don't think that's true.
	I think a lot of people say that too, just to then what makes you a man other than maleness.
	That's a whole other can of worms.
	No, it's not another can of words.
	If you say man is this set of criteria, okay, whatever X set of criteria is, then I'll accept that.
	I just want to know what X criteria is.
	Okay, but if you say a man does not require X criteria, just self-ID, well, now we have a different problem.
	I see what you're saying here now.
	Um, I just think it's yeah, like you said, it's like kind of hard to like get into because, like, I understand your point is that, like, I'm trying to articulate this, but um, like, I see someone who identifies as a man as a man, but I think gender dysphoria is a requirement to be trans, and there's kind of like well, then how are you a man?
	I see, that's where I'm kind of like, that's where I like, don't really know how to.
	That makes no sense.
	That literally makes sense.
	It's a contradiction to say if you identify as a man, you are, but you're not trans.
	Well, why would you identify as a man if you didn't have gender dysphoria and you have a brain?
	I don't see why you couldn't.
	Why couldn't you?
	Why couldn't you identify as being a man even if you had female body problems?
	Because why would you?
	Yeah, but why you would is irrelevant to the question of why couldn't you?
	I mean, I guess you could.
	And if you could, are you?
	Well, people can't afford to always.
	If you could, are you?
	No.
	No.
	You have to have.
	So then what is the criteria for man?
	Having a male brain.
	The fuck does that mean?
	Doesn't a male brain go in a male body?
	No.
	I mean, like.
	Do you have a like?
	How do you, how would you know that somebody had a male brain except the body around it was male?
	You don't.
	See, you know, your consciousness knows.
	Having a male consciousness.
	Do you think you have a male consciousness?
	I don't know what that means.
	Okay.
	So what do you think being a man is?
	I think having a penis.
	I think that being a man essentially has multiple criteria that we can list.
	We could list chromosomes.
	We could list all of this, right?
	But really the simple way is you only have two reproductive pathways which the body can go down to.
	But didn't you say you just asked me to train it, and I'm trying to.
	Okay.
	There's only two phenotypical pathways you can go down.
	Okay, two.
	That's it.
	Female, male.
	There's no third sex, no intermediate sex.
	There never has been.
	Not even in people who have hermaphrodite, right?
	Things like that.
	Absolutely only have one sex pathway.
	So only one of those reproductive organs can work.
	People can't pregnate themselves.
	No matter what their physiology is, it's impossible.
	So only one reproductive way can actually work.
	Okay, I think that we're never going to reach a conclusion here because I think we can very quickly.
	No, because I don't.
	I just need your definition of man.
	Okay, I gave it to you, and you don't agree that there are male and female brains.
	So we're never going to reach a conclusion.
	I think that there are two brains.
	I think that there's male and female brains.
	I think that if there's a brain inside of a male body, it's a male's brain.
	Okay, and I disagree.
	I think that there can be.
	What?
	What do you mean you disagree?
	No, okay, consciousness, sure.
	If you want to say consciousness instead of brain, sure, because that's what the fuck is a female consciousness.
	When you've identified like that your whole life.
	Well, then it's all self-ID.
	So then, okay, so then if so, now we got it.
	Okay, now I've got a gender dysphoria is a part of that self-identification if you have a female brain and a male body.
	Okay, but why couldn't you make the claim, then go and get diagnosed?
	They say, no, you don't have dysphoria.
	You could do that if you wanted to, but that doesn't make you trans.
	Like, that gives you a diagnosis.
	You just said it's just, it's just.
	Okay, it gives you a diagnosis, but it doesn't make you trans.
	What I'm saying is being trans is having a male brain or a female brain in the opposite body of your gender, and you disagree with that, and that's fine.
	I'm not actually sure how it's possible that you can have a brain inside of your body that doesn't belong with your body because it's literally in your body.
	I mean, I'm sure.
	Well, that just gets into like the science of like how an embryo grows in like the womb.
	Like there might be something that goes wrong in there, you know?
	Like, who knows?
	I don't know.
	Okay.
	But we can define.
	So your definition of a man is anybody who has a male brain.
	Yes.
	And your definition of.
	Male consciousness shares.
	Definition of anybody who has a male consciousness is anybody who says that they have one.
	No, anybody, not anybody who says that they do, anybody who feels that they do.
	Yeah, okay.
	So, how would you know that they feel that?
	I wouldn't know.
	They would know that.
	And how would they tell you that?
	I wouldn't know.
	How would they tell you that?
	This isn't my, like, how would they tell you that?
	Why does it matter what I would tell you that?
	They would use their words.
	They would use their words.
	So, they use their words to say that they identified as a man.
	Okay, but why does it matter what I think?
	Well, because it's your definition.
	That's why it matters.
	Yeah, my definition is how they feel.
	I don't give a shit what they feel.
	They told you how they felt.
	Okay, if they want to lie to me and say something else opposite to what they feel, that's not my like.
	So then we have established that a man's anybody who identifies as transgender.
	No, it's somebody.
	Okay.
	I do want to dispute one thing.
	Yeah, go ahead.
	It's okay.
	I think in the past, before it was as socially acceptable as it is now to come out as transgender, you had feminine men and you had masculine women, and oftentimes they would identify as homosexual or they wouldn't.
	They would just be, you know, butch or, you know, more feminine man.
	However, I don't believe, though, that there's this, you know, distinction between male and female brains.
	I think I do agree with Andrew that it is, you know, if you're a female and you have a brain that's a female brain, and you can even, to your point about, oh, a man who, you know, just identifies as transgender isn't necessarily going to have a female brain.
	Maybe he has feminine tendencies, but even with people who identify as transgender, theotocos donated $99.
	This is a quirk of language.
	The internal eye means something than the physical embodiment.
	Same as the last podcast.
	Actions divorced from consequences.
	I totally agree.
	How do you pronounce this?
	Theotokos.
	Can you finish your thing and then we'll go on?
	Yes, of course.
	Yeah, I just was going to say that if you look at people who identify as transgender, when they go on, you know, hormone therapy, they often experience the opposite genders like libido, and that would be neurological, right?
	So it's not like they didn't have, you know, if a man is going on estrogen, his libido is going to decrease.
	I mean, that's often happening.
	Because of the hormones, though.
	Yes, but the hormones is neurological.
	So his brain in that way was always masculine because oftentimes they will claim that they had a more intense libido.
	That's fair, actually.
	Estrogen.
	But what about women with extra testosterone and hermaphrodites?
	Yes.
	So, yeah, again, if you're, if you're, we're not going to say the, I guess, the H word.
	Sometimes I really fucking hate YouTube because it just makes conversation impossible.
	If you're talking about that particular condition, right?
	You don't believe that people with that condition can impregnate themselves, right?
	No.
	Why not?
	It's impossible.
	Why?
	Because they don't have both of the female and male organs.
	So they only have one functional reproductive system.
	And so when it's surgically, when it's surgically fixed, which reproductive system do you think they go with?
	The one that works, right?
	Because that is the pathway your body develops.
	So yes, yes, always.
	Every time.
	Theoticostonated $99.
	Is it gay for the government to have a gender equivalent draft for women?
	Where women are assigned a husband and mandated to have children?
	Wait, is it gay for the government to have a gender?
	I don't know if it's.
	Why would it be gay, though?
	It would be bisexual.
	Theo, tacos.
	Thank you.
	Theotokos.
	All right, I got moving on.
	A couple more questions here, then we'll do the row session, then wrap.
	Who's the primary victim of war, men or women?
	Starting with you.
	Families.
	You always point at me families.
	Boy, you chair one.
	Everybody.
	You got to pick one.
	Men or women?
	Primary victim of war?
	Okay.
	Men.
	I guess.
	Maybe.
	Men.
	Men.
	Okay.
	Let's see.
	Are men or women physically stronger starting with you?
	Men are physically stronger.
	Yeah.
	Men.
	Men.
	Okay.
	Can you be sexist towards men?
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	Yes.
	Yes.
	Can you be racist towards white people starting with you?
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	Yes.
	Yes.
	I don't like white people.
	I don't like white people.
	But I love white people.
	You are white.
	I know.
	I'm just kidding.
	I think we're all scum.
	That's what I'm trying to say.
	Wait.
	So nihilist?
	All scum?
	Or maybe not.
	I don't know if that.
	Wait.
	You don't like white people?
	So you're a self-loathing white person?
	Sure.
	Internalized racism.
	No, I have white friends and stuff.
	I have white friends.
	I've never heard that phrase before.
	Oh, boy.
	That's crazy.
	Here, hold on.
	I'm going to send the asteroid for that one.
	Shit, let's.
	She wants the asteroid, though.
	She thinks everybody's scum.
	Damn, that's crazy.
	Do you think white people have culture?
	Yeah, they have their own culture.
	Yeah.
	Cultures.
	But you hate white people?
	I don't hate anybody unless they're a horrible person.
	Do you hate white men more than you hate white women?
	Intersectional hate.
	I can't say that because I don't know every single white man.
	I don't know every single white.
	But you don't know every single white person.
	I have that just in reverse.
	Which one?
	What do you mean?
	They hate white men or white women.
	I just have it in reverse.
	You hate the white women more than the white men.
	Oh, Andrew Dan said.
	Yeah.
	Just in reverse.
	Oh, yeah.
	All right.
	That was an interesting.
	Okay.
	I love women.
	They're awesome.
	But only because of the way they vote.
	I'm a girl's girl.
	Only because of the way they vote.
	Okay.
	Do you, are you feminist, starting with you?
	Yes.
	Probably in your terms, yeah.
	No.
	No.
	Nope.
	Okay.
	For the two feminists, are women oppressed?
	In what way?
	Let me start with a different question first.
	We'll come back to that.
	Is there a patriarchy?
	Yeah.
	There's a patriarchy, yeah.
	Under the patriarchy, are women oppressed?
	Yeah, in the workplace, a lot of workplace, okay.
	What else?
	Anywhere.
	Anyone.
	I mean, men are oppressed in ways too.
	Sure.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Like I said, like in what way?
	Like, I think women are oppressed in the fact that we kind of have to take more caution a lot of the time.
	You do?
	Yeah.
	Do you?
	I mean, like, out late at night, yeah.
	I would say women do.
	I don't think so.
	Or with people's feelings.
	Actually, men have to, I think, well, maybe they, some men might, yeah, well, I don't know, actually.
	I'll just go ahead and say, yeah, men actually have to take more precautions.
	Against who, though?
	Men.
	How's that relevant?
	Let's just say men.
	I'll just grant it.
	Let's say it's other men, yeah.
	Well, I mean, like, that wasn't, like, what I was trying to ask.
	I was like.
	Okay, but so yeah, let's just grant it.
	So let's go back to that, though.
	So, yeah, I think men have to take more precautions.
	You know what?
	That's fair, but they're not getting attacked because they're men.
	Women, a lot of the time, get attacked because they're women.
	They're getting attacked because they're men.
	Really?
	Yeah.
	I mean, here's my example to you.
	A man's far more likely to hit a man than a woman.
	I hear what you're saying.
	That's literally.
	That's literally giving the creation of a cause, right?
	So if men are more likely to hit men than they are women, that means they're more likely to hit men because they're men.
	I think that they're more likely to get in fights.
	Yeah.
	So they're more likely to hit men because they're men.
	Yeah.
	They're more likely.
	Okay, but attacking and like getting into a fight is like pretty different, in my opinion.
	Well, it's the same shit.
	No.
	I mean, an attack is one-sided.
	A fight is like kind of a tussle.
	Yeah, fights are one-sided often.
	Often?
	No.
	So it's like, if you just lose, that's an attack.
	I mean, an attack is like, when I think of an attack, I think of like an ambush.
	You know what I mean?
	Like, I think we discount a lot of attacks on men because we assume that, I mean, rightfully assume, but they also have the ability to defend themselves more, but it doesn't dismiss that men are maybe more likely to be attacked.
	I think that we're just, if we're walking outside at night by ourselves, we just don't have the physical capabilities to defend ourselves.
	Yeah, and honestly, I kind of agree with that.
	But here's the thing: can you take that water off the table?
	So there are scenarios.
	I actually had the scenario where I was attacked.
	It wasn't mutual combat.
	It wasn't like, yeah, fuck you, let's fight.
	It was like, I'm trying to remove myself from the situation.
	And despite my efforts to remove myself from the situation, the attack persisted and I was not looking for a fight.
	The trouble found me.
	Had I been a woman in this situation, it would have never happened.
	What happened?
	So I was out filming.
	I've shared this only once or twice before.
	So probably most people aren't aware of this.
	I was out filming.
	This was a couple years ago with a camera.
	And three men approached me and they're like being aggressive towards me.
	They didn't know who I was.
	This is before I started the podcast.
	And I was out filming for one of my videos or whatever.
	And they were like, why are you filming people out in public, mind you?
	Which is totally, it's not against the law.
	It's not a crime.
	They were drunk.
	They were being aggressive towards me.
	They saw an easy target.
	I thought they were trying to rob me of my gear or whatever.
	So all three of them, I regrettably was out alone.
	They started attacking me.
	And I had to run away.
	And I got punched.
	Luckily, I didn't get stomped on the ground, but I ended up on the ground.
	I got hit.
	My camera was broken and damaged.
	Had I been a woman, it would have never gotten there.
	Never.
	I don't, I disagree.
	How the fuck do you disagree?
	Because I sympathize with you.
	That's horrible.
	But I know of a woman this year who got attacked by a man randomly on the street and she wasn't.
	But if I had been a woman under these same circumstances, I would not have been attacked.
	And here's why.
	This was in public, mind you.
	It wasn't like in some back.
	Hold on.
	It wasn't some back alley situation.
	So she's the victim now when I'm telling my story.
	Isn't that funny?
	So, okay.
	So there were people around.
	If I was a woman, as women, if a man lays a hand on you, you best believe that there's plenty of justifiably so, men who will be your for free bodyguards who will intervene on your behalf.
	If I'm getting scorched and fucked up by another dude, even if it's one-on-one, even if it's three-on-one, it doesn't really matter.
	No man, no stranger man will ever intervene on my behalf if I'm getting beat up by another guy.
	If a guy, but they will watch it.
	Oh, they'll watch it, they'll film it, and they'll laugh.
	If a woman, as a woman, if there's male bystanders around and another man puts his hands on you, smacks you around, that guy's getting fucked up.
	That's not true.
	That's a hundred percent.
	Are you talking about the money?
	There's been all that whole viral moments in the last few years, like last two years.
	Like the shake that guy has been.
	Oh my God, you were so toaster brain.
	Are there instances?
	Hold on.
	Are there instances of a woman who's been struck in public by a man and nobody intervenes?
	Yes.
	Yes.
	There's also an overwhelming amount of instances where a woman has been struck by a man in public.
	And plenty of men are going to be your free bodyguards and will intervene and will dole out street justice to this man.
	You can't say the same thing about men.
	If I'm one-on-one with a man on the street, nobody's coming to my defense.
	Maybe if I'm lucky, somebody breaks it up, but then that guy gets to walk away.
	If some guy smacks you in the face and there's 10 other men around, he's getting fucking stomped.
	And if you don't think that's true, you're actually toaster brained.
	Well, that did actually happen to me in public, and none of the men around me did anything.
	I was hit.
	I'm just saying.
	There are anecdotes.
	There are anecdotes.
	Well, yours is an anecdote.
	I was hit by a man.
	I didn't see him.
	I didn't see what happened.
	But he walked past, and I was in a big, crowded group of people, and there were other men there, and they saw it happen.
	They didn't do anything.
	What happened?
	He hit me.
	And he walked away?
	So he punched you in the face?
	No, in the back.
	In the back of your head?
	No, on my back.
	So he and then ran.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	But, you know, we all, when you were telling your story, we all listened and you're making faces at my story.
	No, no, I was just trying to understand it.
	Brian, you're making disapproving faces.
	That's not super cool.
	Well, because this is different.
	Yeah, the situation's different.
	I was being chased down the fucking street.
	No, I understand that.
	But some guy, boom, ran away immediately.
	Totally fucking different.
	I was giving an example to totally different.
	Let me ask you this.
	If that guy was attacking, if that guy was attacking you, if he didn't just punch you in the back, but he grabbed you.
	He was really, and you called out for help.
	Those guys would have knocked him the fuck out, right?
	I mean, I did call out for help, but he got away.
	But nobody around me did anything.
	Well, I mean, that was something that happened super quick.
	Well, there's this crazy thing called the bystander effect in our society and human society where people just keep walking.
	Well, I will grant that more so in modernity.
	And I think that this is a good thing, that men are not stepping in to defend women when women are getting attacked.
	So now I know how horrible that sounds, but think about it from the perspective of men, right?
	Good.
	So ultimately, what ends up happening is, you know, I am fucking feminist She-Ra and, you know, I'll wear the tight leather and beat the shit out of the 300-pound Marvel bandits, right?
	All these fucking women have this idea.
	You'll see them shriek, sky shriek.
	You know what I mean?
	We don't need men for nothing.
	We don't need nothing from them.
	And it's like, okay, well, then when this happens to you, treat you like we treat men.
	And just watch, right?
	I'm not getting involved in a fist fight between two guys.
	None of my business.
	Why should I get involved in a fist fight between a guy and a girl?
	Also ain't none of my business.
	Right now, I think that when I was growing up, I think I would have had a totally different attitude.
	Maybe 18, 19, 20, I'd probably be the first one to be like, what are you doing, you crazy fuck?
	You can't attack women.
	But in modernity, it's like the only thing I can think of is: well, maybe in this way, women will be like, well, maybe men, maybe men, maybe we do need them for something.
	Maybe we shouldn't just be completely self-absorbed brats.
	But the loud outlier feminists, like, shouldn't, maybe the woman being attacked doesn't hold those views.
	It's really funny.
	She just wanted to women and men.
	Yeah, I agree.
	Masculinity shouldn't be able to do it.
	It's really sad to me that a small core group of women have been able to seize so much political power and train other women to vote for fucking Democrats and horrible policies that then actually interfere with my life.
	But it's like, well, you wanted equality.
	Here it is.
	That's what it looks like.
	That's what it looks like.
	But then that's kind of like you being a follower of women.
	Like your masculinity should be steady regardless.
	What does that have?
	Well, first of all, why is it masculine to step in on behalf of a woman?
	Because you agree that women are weaker, correct?
	So I agree that there's lots of men who are weaker than me.
	I wouldn't step in for them.
	Should I?
	If you view women as lesser the way you say, and that you are the stronger one and you are the Christian one, then yes, you absolutely should.
	Oh, wait a second.
	Back up.
	So you strawman the shit out of my position, first of all.
	My position is not all women are inferior, right?
	I can grant that many women are better at all sorts of different things than I am.
	And no, they're stronger women than me.
	Theota costonated $99.
	If women didn't actually have those views, they wouldn't be in that situation and would be surrounded by men that protect them.
	That's what I'm saying, right?
	So we need vengeance.
	So that you don't strawman the position, I'll explain it again.
	There's all sorts of women who are better than me at all sorts of things.
	No doubt about it.
	And there's women who are much stronger than I am.
	There's no doubt about that, right?
	But it has nothing to do with the fact that I think on average, there's nothing that women can do that men can't do on par or better other than reproduction.
	That's the position.
	So when you come back and you say, well, wait a second, this is some kind of assault on your masculinity.
	It's like, no, I have no duty, no duty nor obligation to step in on behalf of women who enjoy their egalitarianism, right?
	But at the same time, have no duty to actually execute enforcement on their own, but instead would outsource it to me.
	Fuck that, right?
	Then go get drafted, then sign up for the draft.
	Then sign up for the draft and go defend the country, and then fucking men will step in for you.
	But until that happens, there's no real egalitarianism.
	And it's like, well, fine.
	Fine.
	Why should they step in?
	Why should they hurt themselves on your behalf when women vote against their interests?
	I wouldn't.
	Seems like a really bad idea.
	Seems like.
	I just hate to think that me, as someone who votes red, if I'm out getting attacked by a man, the other men be like, but these feminists, you deserve to catch up.
	It's not a matter of deserve.
	They can totally say, you totally didn't deserve that.
	I'm not fucking helping you.
	Go ask your feminists.
	Go ask the feminists to help you.
	Go ask the feminists after the hurricane to bring the fucking boats in and save people.
	You know, go ask them if you love egalitarianism so much.
	Go ask the She-Ras to help you.
	Someone like me or Yekka.
	Theota costonated $99.
	The gender equivalent draft.
	Assignment to a man and to make babies.
	Yeah, it's not a fun position.
	Like, I wish that men didn't have to move towards that position, but the truth is that they really do.
	They have to protect themselves at this point.
	Thank you, Theo, for the TTS.
	They really do.
	Interesting.
	Interesting.
	I think we were talking about oppression.
	I don't know how the fuck we got onto all that.
	How are we?
	Are you oppressed?
	I think that, see, now that we've strayed so far away from the topic, it's hard to talk about.
	But yeah, I think women are oppressed in the sense that a lot of their value is based on appearance.
	What?
	how's that oppression i mean because like or is that privilege wait I got to page.
	People get older eventually.
	Yeah.
	People who have lived by that their whole life, they're like, what's going on?
	I'm not getting this praise.
	Wait, so women who can make thousands or millions of dollars.
	Because you don't choose your appearance.
	Based off their appearance is oppression.
	But what about ugly women?
	Oh, I'm sorry.
	I thought it was.
	Hang on, hang on.
	I thought at the beginning of the conversation, beauty was subjective.
	No, I don't think it is.
	I mean, sure, beauty is subjective, but like there are ugly women.
	Yeah, there are ugly women, and those women are treated the same as men.
	No, They're not treated badly.
	They get equality with men.
	Men do not treat ugly women the same as they treat ugly men.
	Yeah, they do.
	What?
	They treat ugly men like shit.
	What do you mean?
	No, they don't.
	Yes, they do.
	In fact, there was a social experiment on this, which was done just via hiring practices.
	They took two men, the exact same credentials.
	They both applied at the exact same business for an accounting firm.
	The handsome Chad got the job.
	The other guy didn't.
	But they didn't do it with an ugly man and an ugly woman, did they?
	Hang on, hang on.
	Wait, no, wouldn't the thing here be...
	That would be, wait, that would be the equivalent, though.
	No, because that's saying that ugly people in general are treated worse, which is true.
	They are.
	Yeah, and ugly men are treated better than ugly women.
	Prove it.
	I can't prove it.
	That's because it's not demonstrated.
	Okay, then you prove it.
	Prove what?
	I'm saying that it's equal, that ugly people get treated bad.
	Prove it.
	That ugly.
	You just said that that's true.
	Prove that it's equal then.
	What?
	That the treatment is bad.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Yeah.
	So the position must be falsified.
	It's your position.
	All ugly people are treated bad, right?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	So we found the common ground.
	Yeah.
	We both agree on that.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	If you want to make the additional claim that no men who are ugly are treated better than women who are ugly, you can't put that burden on me.
	Okay.
	Well, there's no way to really prove that.
	So I can't really go further.
	I mean, I'm sure that there's ways that that can be demonstrated.
	Well, I mean, not here.
	Yeah, I'm not sure how you could do it logically.
	I would just say that, no, I think.
	I mean, from my experience.
	I think that ugly, but you think that ugly men getting rejected by women and women sneering at them is even worse than when men are rejectful towards women who are ugly.
	But women who are ugly still get fucked.
	And ugly.
	That's true.
	Any woman can be a slut.
	I think that, yeah, I think that any, if you're, if you have a vagina, you can get a dick.
	Yeah.
	That's not true for men or for people with a penis or whatever they're doing.
	They're still fighting in love.
	They're still fighting love.
	No, it's not that.
	It's like I'm saying that a man will treat a woman that he finds unattractive worse than he treats a man that he finds unattractive.
	Yeah, but what are you basing that on?
	Based on my experience.
	Wait, wouldn't the comparison here be, though, the way women treat ugly men versus the way men treat ugly women?
	Because you're saying the way men treat ugly men and the ways of women.
	Yeah, that's fair.
	That's actually the way men treat ugly women.
	i think women treat ugly men way better than men treat ugly women but you think sorry repeat that i I think women treat ugly men better than better.
	Wait, men will, we've had, I don't want to actually say that as far as like the women we've had on the show.
	We've had ugly women who get chivalry.
	they'll get dates, they'll get they'll fuck a hundred, they'll They'll have a body count.
	Then they're getting better.
	Then they're getting treated better.
	At least you can have a warm body for a night for a lot of these women.
	We've had women who can, bro, we had this one woman who was not a looker, very overweight.
	She fucked six guys in a day.
	Okay.
	She was a sex addict, 100 men.
	There was another chicken who was like 400 pounds, and she was all she wanted.
	It was an all-you-can-eat buffet for this chick.
	I think literally on two different on two different looks.
	Let's talk, but like, it's crazy.
	So these girls' looks equivalents would be virgins or incels.
	Yeah, I think the difference, though.
	Oh, sorry.
	Sorry.
	Well, all I was just going to say is that as a woman, even if you're unattractive, you can still get male attention.
	You can still get a date.
	You can still get a warm body.
	Maybe it's not the ideal suitor.
	Maybe, you know, you don't want that, but you can still get it.
	And a lot of them opt to still get it.
	Whereas men, they live a life of quiet desperation.
	Yeah, but at least they can have like, okay, so this is the difference, I think, is that men treat, okay, it's hard to explain, but so ugly men get treated better by men in general.
	They get treated the same.
	I think ugly women and ugly men get treated the same.
	I have something on this.
	Continue.
	Yeah.
	Ugly women and ugly men probably get treated around the same, sure, by the opposite sex.
	But I think so.
	Ugly, so men treat ugly women worse than they treat ugly men.
	Yes.
	But then I could just say the same.
	Women treat ugly men way fucking worse than they treat ugly women.
	But I think women treat ugly women better than they better than men treat ugly women.
	Okay.
	I don't know how you would.
	Okay, so hang on.
	You're saying, you're literally saying the same thing he's saying.
	So it's like a fucked up game of rock, paper, scissors, right?
	So you're like, okay, yeah, really.
	You're like, okay, so ugly men, ugly men are treated better by men than women.
	And then ugly women are treated better by women than men.
	And then you counter and you say, okay, yeah, but I guess that's fair.
	Yeah.
	You say, but, you know, men are treating ugly women worse.
	And then the cattle are not.
	I feel like I need to write this down here.
	Men are treating ugly, you know what I mean?
	It's this big giant circle, but you're saying the exact same thing.
	The same sex treats the ugly people better than the opposite sex does.
	That's what you're saying.
	I think that in comparison, like it's hard to explain.
	I think that it's been explained.
	I think that that's exactly what you mean.
	Right?
	No.
	Girls treat ugly women.
	Relatively, women treat ugly people better than men treat ugly people.
	I think they just treat people better than men treat people by the metrics of women, right?
	I feel like we're just getting into like such a big tampon.
	I'm happy to move.
	Yeah, me too.
	Going to you, are you women oppressed?
	Am I oppressed?
	I'm not oppressed.
	I'm living the life I want.
	But are women oppressed?
	Yeah.
	Like in the workplace, especially with wages and go to the police department, if you have an issue, if a woman has an issue, a lot of the time their issue will not be even listening.
	I have to go back to my anecdote here.
	So the police actually came.
	The police came when I was attacked.
	Now, let's put a woman in my situation.
	So here's what happened with my case.
	The individuals were actually located.
	I had to do a lot of the legwork for that.
	I was able to find the individuals.
	The police interviewed them.
	They confessed to assaulting me.
	Confessed on body camera.
	I have the body camera footage.
	I followed up with the district attorney's office for months.
	Months.
	They confessed on camera to the police and in a statement.
	The district attorney did not pursue the charges.
	What did they tell you that it wasn't as important as other cases specifically?
	Yeah, they dropped the case.
	Had it been a woman who got chased down the street by three men and attacked, and not, mind you, felony-level property destruction, my $2,000 camera was destroyed.
	They said, We're not, I forgot exactly what they said.
	It was a while ago.
	We're not going to pursue it.
	I guarantee you, had I been a woman, they would have prosecuted those guys.
	They let them go completely.
	There wasn't even that diversion program.
	Speaking of police, I don't understand how you could say that police are oppressive to women.
	They let them off on speeding tickets all the time.
	They literally give them passes on all sorts of things.
	Even as far as physical restraints, right?
	If a male officer needs to restrain a female, they'll often actually call another female officer over so that they don't even touch them.
	They don't even have to touch them.
	Yeah, they do.
	And they'll do it for DUIs.
	They'll do it for DUIs, too.
	They'll do it for DUIs as well.
	They'll have female officers come in and do the pat downs.
	All sorts of privilege.
	Whereas the guy's like, get up on that fucking hood, right?
	They don't care.
	They don't give a shit.
	So just wanted to point that out.
	That, like, no, I think that there's a lot more privilege that women get from police officer encounters than men, that's for sure.
	Final thing on my own anecdote here.
	If there's any doubts as to, so I had to go to civil court.
	It could have, you know, they could have handled it.
	They could have criminally pursued it and they could have got me restitution without me having to go through the labor and have to like go to court, get them served, etc.
	I won the civil case.
	The judge granted me, I forgot what, what's it called when the damage?
	No, no, no, he decided the case in my favor.
	He awarded me a judgment against them, right?
	That could have, I could have all been avoided had the DA done their job.
	Had I been a woman, pretty sure they wouldn't have let those guys off the hook for doing felony level property damage and then assault and battery.
	But hey, maybe that's just me.
	Is the DA here?
	Yeah, this was.
	Yeah, the DA here in Santa Barbara sucks really badly.
	You should walk inside the city.
	Yeah, we're not going to get it.
	Yeah, we're not going to say that on a podcast.
	That would be a bad idea.
	Anyways, that was my experience.
	Look, that was my experience.
	So this idea that, oh, it'll get taken more seriously if you're a man.
	It's actually not true.
	Not true at all.
	So let's see.
	What else do we have?
	We have roast.
	Yes.
	Oh, I guess maybe.
	Do we need men?
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	I do.
	Do you think men are important?
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	Yes.
	All right.
	We'll do the roast section here in just a sec.
	I think I have one more question.
	What years were World War?
	What years were World War I and World War II, starting with you?
	Go ahead.
	Like 1941.
	World War I.
	I don't know, maybe 1942.
	Go around the table.
	Okay.
	I have no idea World War II.
	80s?
	Wait, World War II?
	I have no fucking idea.
	World War I was like 1914, I thought, and World War II is like, I don't even know.
	Okay.
	World War II, 1940, I would say.
	World War I?
	No, World War II.
	Yeah, what about World War I?
	1800 or 1900s?
	1900s in what?
	I don't know.
	Okay.
	I don't know.
	1914 to 1918 and then 1939 to 1945.
	Okay.
	We were told the answer to this and still didn't fucking know.
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	Chair three is a fucking broken clock with how loud she clicks every time she speaks.
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	Wait, you click?
	I don't know.
	I have mad ADHD.
	Are you a clicker?
	Yeah.
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	Yes, so clicker.
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	What?
	Andrew, can you do a effette voice?
	What?
	Effect.
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	No.
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	Affete.
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	Andrew over here looking like a discount Wolverine.
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	Bro.
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	You know what I mean?
	Now I'm going to be looking what he says.
	Then I shave the beard and people freak out worse.
	Don't shave the beard.
	Keep the beard.
	The beard is good.
	The beard is good.
	So after this, that guy.
	You guys are going to have Cardinal Nah.
	Oh my god, what the fuck?
	Oh my god.
	That's not appropriate.
	You need to.
	You need to not think of the children.
	Not think of the children?
	I do.
	That's why I was single for a year.
	Like, before I even started really going on dates and shit.
	I don't know what I'm saying.
	During the emotional affairs.
	I don't know what I'm saying.
	Just disregard.
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	All right, boys.
	I just want to say, I don't know if you guys can see it in the thing.
	This stream does not end until I get a W in Solitaire.
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	Hey, when you look, take your notes.
	Yeah, let me see the notes.
	Okay.
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	I mean, I do it all the time, just to be fair.
	That's why I said I do it constantly.
	I'm pretty sure if I heard a guy say some arslerd shit, I think I would say it.
	I think I would say it.
	You know?
	And also, I'm very dead when the two male feminists were here.
	You called them a bunch of names.
	Did I?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Well, I was asking, like, they both wanted to.
	They'd prefer the girl with the like thousand body count.
	I asked that question.
	They're like, yeah.
	Give me the thousand body count over the virgin.
	Yeah, they're degenerates.
	Yeah, they're saying that they're right.
	But I'm saying that's the common thing these days.
	Yeah, but okay, so but here's for fucking degenerates.
	That wasn't the argument, though.
	I was just saying it exists.
	It's common.
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	You should have Rachel IRL and Andrew would call in.
	He looks cooler and comfortable smoking his cigarettes and drinking his beers in the comfort triple of his home.
	We can do it too.
	The marriage was over before it started.
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	You say think of the children, sure.
	Now I'm the first to admit I didn't turn out to be the parent I imagined I would become.
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	Brian, what do you think about having a third show on like Thursdays or something?
	I feel like we need the show three times a week.
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	Hold on.
	I'll get to it.
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	I don't know if I might even bring the show down to one day in 2025.
	Third show, guest recruitment's already difficult doing the two.
	I'm going to do an assessment.
	We're going to take a bit of a break towards the end of December.
	We'll take a little vacation.
	Been going hard for a full year.
	All gas, no breaks.
	Might go down to just one day.
	It's been kind of crazy recently, very stressful.
	So I know you guys might not be happy with that, but if it comes, if I can continue the show and do it one day versus burnout by early 2025, then I think it makes sense.
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	Bullshit.
	Women treat ugly men way worse.
	There's an entire subculture to bully ugly men.
	He's creepy, icky, gross.
	It's dehumanizing, and they judge identical behavior differently based on attraction.
	That's a really good point.
	For chair one, what do we call it when someone exchanges goods/slash money/slash services, like lawyer fees, for sex?
	Sounds pretty traditional to me.
	Traditional prostitution, or you take care of the woman you're with.
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	I think this is going to be a W here because I got three aces already.
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	I don't think it would be realistic for us to be able to do it.
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	Get the joke now.
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	Despicable.
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	Guys, I think this is a big W. I'm just, I'm almost there.
	You're going to lose that.
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	No, you can't win that.
	No, I got this.
	No, bro.
	You can't win.
	It's a W.
	It's don't put pressure on me, Andrew.
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	I don't perform well when I have pressure, okay?
	Hold on.
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	Do that.
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	What the fuck?
	Huh?
	What?
	What?
	You're going to lose, dude.
	Don't say that, Andrew.
	Don't say that.
	Check this out, boys.
	Fucking gaming stream, boys.
	Fuck this dating shit.
	I'm going to start playing World of Warcraft.
	Okay, hold on.
	Let me just take a look here.
	There's no way I lose this, Andrew.
	Oh, you're going to lose, bro.
	Don't jinx it.
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	Uh-oh.
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	Seven.
	You guys can still send in the TTS, but um.
	Okay, I'm in a bit of a pickle here.
	Hold on.
	It's going to be an L, Brian.
	Don't, no, Hold on.
	Okay, so what we got to do is free this up.
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	L. Ooh.
	It's going to be an L, bro.
	You.
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	I can, I got this.
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	This six has to be.
	Oh, no.
	Wait.
	L. Don't say that, Andrew.
	Wait, the seven.
	Oh, wait.
	There's the seven.
	Okay, so I need to get an eight.
	Hold on.
	I can do this.
	Wait, wait, El, bro.
	Don't say that, Andrew.
	It's coming.
	Okay, the four is free.
	Wait.
	Where's the other?
	Frank Castle donated $30.
	Andrew is the goat.
	Brian, maybe outsource the recruitment portion if your OCED lets you let go of the reins.
	May save you some stress.
	Yeah, you know, if somebody could do the recruitment for me, that I probably could do three shows a day, but I'd handle all the recruiting and guest stuff.
	So I should probably, I don't know.
	We'll see.
	We'll figure it out.
	I got this, Andrew.
	Don't worry.
	I can still get the dub.
	I don't know.
	It's not looking good.
	You want to?
	No, I got this.
	I got this.
	Hold on.
	So I need the three here.
	What I need is this five cleared, but I can't get rid of the four.
	Oh my god, I'm a fucking idiot.
	Oh no.
	Wait, I could have gone here and then I could have gone here.
	I just don't.
	Wait, what's this?
	Fuck, bro.
	I think this is a loss.
	L. How do I...
	I have all.
	Oh my god, dude.
	Okay, I concede.
	I have to concede this game.
	All right.
	Fuck.
	Good talk.
	All right, guys.
	Final call, last call on town.
	Last call on TTS.
	Andrew is Tyler Durden and Brian is Ed Norton.
	Project Mayhem 2025.
	Wait, what's that?
	His name is Robert Paulson.
	Oh, Tyler Durden.
	Andrews and Brian is Ed Norton.
	So I'm the narrator.
	Okay.
	Well, thank you, man.
	I appreciate that.
	Thank you, everybody, who sent in the little messages.
	Very much appreciated.
	Okay, we are going to.
	We are going to.
	How do you say?
	I think what we do is I have to say.
	Alpha Smasher donated $20.
	Why doesn't Batman like Solitaire?
	There's no Joker.
	Terrible.
	I am never going to financially recover from that.
	Jesse underscore James underscore Inderscore Raw underscore die donated $20.
	Happy birthday, Natalia.
	I hope it's been the best day.
	Whatever sweethearts, purple hearts, love, monster Jess.
	Who's Natalia?
	Is that somebody at the table who I don't know your name?
	Who the fuck is that guy?
	Who's Natalia?
	Okay.
	Thank you, man.
	Thank you, Jesse.
	Appreciate it.
	Let's see here.
	Okay.
	Well, if you want, you can get your last in.
	But GG to the panel.
	Does anybody here do OnlyFans?
	Vansomnia donated OnlyFans.
	Oh, no, you do.
	Yeah.
	As a 33 years man, everything I have is because of my own effort.
	When women find someone real, they get scared.
	In this society, it's so easy to just swipe to the next guy, keeping them in the same spiral.
	Spot on, then spot on.
	Daniel Notseri donated $20.
	Wait.
	His name was Robert Paulson.
	Wait, this is my.
	I have.
	How's it working out for you?
	I've never pressed these.
	Sticking feathers up your butt does not make you a chicken.
	I have Fight Club.
	Do I have any more?
	Crank Farcel donated $30.
	Andrew, can you do the Palpatine voice smile?
	The Palpatine voice?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Ah, shit.
	Now I have to do it on the spot.
	Let's see.
	Sticking feathers up your butt does not make you a chicken.
	Garrett Nichols donated $20.
	It surprises me that women don't fight back transgenderism.
	It's lowering your value.
	It's like a wish version of you.
	Fight back the fakes.
	The greatest meme I ever saw was like a woman going back in time on a time machine and like a transgender woman saying, Thank you so much for giving us rights to vote.
	And I'm just saying, dude.
	I'm gonna get so messed up.
	Okay.
	All right.
	So, GG, well played to the panel.
	We're gonna do a Twitch raid.
	Who are we gonna raid?
	Who are we gonna raid?
	Let's see.
	We will do.
	We just did Wo Grandma.
	Do Woe Grandma again.
	All right, we'll do Woe Grandma.
	Wholesome moment, I guess.
	Yeah.
	All right.
	So, oh, last thing.
	Let's pull up.
	Okay, let's pull up Twitch.
	I know she's got Fig Newtons, dude.
	She looks like she's fig as well.
	Somebody asked her if she has Fig Newtons.
	Guys, go to twitch.tv/slash whatever.
	Drop us a follow and a prime sub if you have one.
	That's twitch.tv slash whatever.
	Drop us prime sub if you have one.
	You can go to Amazon.
	If you have Amazon, you link it to your Amazon Prime, you link it to your Twitch.
	It's a quick, free, easy way to support the show every single month.
	It's been 22 minutes since we last got a Prime.
	I think it's Bug Boys.
	Yo, before we end the show, Dutch PlayStation Gamer.
	Thank you for the Prime.
	Can we get to 92,500?
	Help my OCD out, guys.
	We need eight follows.
	Eight follows.
	If you got the follow button available, help my OCD get us to 92,500 followers before we end the stream.
	We got the Discord, discord.gg/slash whatever.
	We also have debated debateuniversity.com.
	This is the craziest course ever.
	It's the best course.
	It's the best.
	Yo, thank you for all the follows.
	Silverham, that guy plays World of Warcraft.
	For sure, Big Dad Walrus.
	That's not the only big thing he has.
	We got Squirrely Whirly.
	He's a squirrely guy.
	We got Syntax.
	Syntax.
	We got InSync.
	We got Nacho Digs.
	He likes them nachos and the burritos.
	We got Ericsson, 1207.
	Look at that guy, Erickson.
	He's probably Swedish or it's Norwegian.
	We got Dialt 250.
	You know him.
	He's a great guy.
	Oh, who we got here?
	The Dutch, the Dutch PlayStation Gamer.
	He dropped us a Prime first, then dropped us the follow.
	We got kind of hero.
	Oh my goodness.
	We got Psychedelic Gorilla.
	He likes to do drugs with primates.
	What a fucking guy.
	Johnny Spiral, fucking spiraling out of this universe.
	Thank you, bro.
	We got Welsh Sauce.
	That guy, that's a sexual innuendo.
	He's don't forget that Coca.
	We got Temperance UK.
	All right, Temperance Movement.
	Dope.
	Tatted kitty.
	I'm sorry that it's harder for you to find a husband because of that.
	Daniel Knottson has donated $20.
	Cooler hammer.
	A lot of fight crowd references.
	You know, uh, you know, it's...
	Wait, fuck.
	I was going to.
	I got something.
	Hold on, I got, wait, I got something It It's, you know, advertising has us chasing cars and clothes.
	Working jobs we hate so we can buy shit we don't need.
	Slaves with white collars.
	I see in chat.
	Hold on.
	I see in chat the strongest and smartest men who've ever lived.
	I see all this potential and I see squandering.
	God damn it.
	An entire generation pumping gas.
	Waiting tables.
	Slaves with.
	I already said this.
	Fuck.
	Working jobs we hate so we can buy shit we don't need.
	We're the middle.
	Hold on, let me finish.
	Hold on.
	I am Brian's big labia.
	I am Brian's medulla on the top.
	It's big labia.
	We're the middle children of history, man.
	No purpose or place.
	We have no great war.
	No great depression.
	Our great war is a spiritual war.
	Sorry.
	Our great depression is our lives.
	We've all been raised on television to believe that one day we'd all be millionaires and movie gods and rock stars, but we won't.
	And we're slowly learning that fact.
	And we're very, very pissed off.
	Nailed it.
	I love the wind of energy.
	Sort of.
	Okay, bring it back to Twitch.
	I need to shout out all those followers.
	Bring it back to Twitch.
	Back to Twitch.
	That's Twitch.
	Yo, who do we got?
	We got African Soup.
	Yum.
	Wacko Warm.
	Does it have cat in it?
	Whoa.
	Wacko Warm.
	That's okay.
	We got Big Daddy Mike88.
	This guy was born in the.
	Never mind.
	Blue Reapers.
	That's not the only thing he reaps.
	He also reaps dividends because he invests with his money in a diversified stock portfolio.
	He reaps blue chip stocks.
	Ooh, that was good.
	Thank you.
	You're welcome.
	Old school pick gaming, epic gaming.
	That's cool.
	Fluffy Mutt 2010.
	Wow, look at that.
	Guys, get us to $92,550 before the end of the show.
	What you got for us, Andrew?
	What's up?
	Well, I just noticed that that guy followed you.
	That's all.
	Oh, that's it's great.
	Yeah, that other guy just followed you, too.
	It's crazy.
	But also, I'll look at that.
	Sky High Netherlands.
	Wow.
	He's going to have to be sky high after the whole country floods, but they're really good with engineering.
	We don't want your prime sub, Iron Fatty.
	None of you around here.
	Now, check this out.
	Iron Fatty77.
	This guy was alive in the 70s.
	Kind of.
	Were you.
	When were you born, Andrew?
	I wasn't born in the fucking 70s, bro.
	79.
	No!
	Yeah, you're fucking mine.
	Andrew and Brian, tell us, how would you plan a date in the current dating environment?
	Because women seem to be FFing hard to even get a conversation started, let alone date.
	I hear that.
	I hear that there's a five-for-five deal at the Wendy's.
	Frank Castle donated $30.
	You streaming later, Andrew?
	Or you got to catch a flight?
	Well, I have something I got to do tomorrow, so one more day.
	Thank you, Frank Castle.
	Appreciate it.
	What was the super chat asking?
	How would you plan a date in the current dating environment?
	This is what I would do.
	I would say, hi, come over.
	That's it.
	That's all I would do.
	Come over.
	Keep it simple.
	Keep it simple.
	Keep your hands to yourself.
	I'm not that kind of guy.
	I don't do that on a first date.
	You girls, all you girls want is one thing, and it's disgusting.
	Money?
	Women want one, only one thing.
	No, they want money.
	All these girls, they just, all you guys want is sex.
	Sometimes a guy wants to cuddle.
	Can't a guy talk?
	Can't we just talk?
	You just want to can't can't I want you to just hold me, but no, all you want to do is have sex Pisses me off, man.
	Roth Thunderscore PS3 donated $20.
	That sounded like a good prologue to your upcoming book.
	God damn.
	Twitch chat better than YouTube.
	Shots fired.
	Boom.
	Shots fired.
	Wrath.
	Roth.
	Thank you, man.
	Appreciate it.
	Okay.
	Let me.
	Okay.
	Thank you for all the follows on Twitch.
	Let's see here.
	I got to do my little outro spiel.
	Oh, debate university.
	Guys, you got to go to debateuniversity.com.
	Got to go to debate university.com.
	Get the course.
	Verbal combat.
	If you want to obliterate your foes and master debate on some hose.
	That's what's up.
	I just made that up off the top of my dome.
	So listen, guys, 80 plus videos, six plus hours of content.
	Andrew Wilson will hand-hold, walk you through how to become a master debater just like him.
	And the Thanksgiving's coming up.
	Christmas is coming up.
	You want to fucking spank up, serve up your liberal relatives at the dinner table and make shit awkward.
	And it's right around election season.
	We're coming into a big election.
	You have to stop these progressive scumbags in their tracks immediately.
	The shizzle.
	It's true.
	So at debateuniversity.com.
	There it is.
	Buy the course.
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	Get the course.
	Also, big labia matter.
	Also like the video.
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	So guys, thank you buy it.
	Debate University.
	Also.
	Yeah, also do that.
	So thank you to everyone who super chats, donates, and supports the show.
	Last call, hit the like button, please.
	On your way out, thank you for tuning in tonight.
	You could have been anywhere in the world, but you're here with me.
	I appreciate that.
	We will be live again Sunday?
	Sunday.
	Sunday, 5 p.m. Pacific.
	Sunday.
	Sunday, Sunday.
	I have a special guest from... Daryl underscore Frank Castle 512 donated $20.
	Would Andrew consider giving a class in person?
	I wouldn't mind flying out to meet him in person and take the course.
	We should talk about that, like some in-person event.
	That could be interesting.
	We'll see what the future holds.
	Live again Sunday, 5 p.m. Pacific.
	Any girls who want to be on the show, DM out whatever on Instagram if you can make it to Santa Barbara Sunday show.
	I've got some special guests coming.
	I'll give you a hint.
	The person, there's a photo in the studio, and this person knows this person.
	So, we'll see.
	Okay, all right.
	So there's the hint.
	Okay, 07's in the chat.
	We're going to do a Twitch raid.
	Let's do it to WoGrandma.
	Let's not do it to WoGrandma.
	Let's raid Woe Grandma.
	Let's not.
	Awkward.
	Could have been.
	Hey, you know, let's.
	I don't want a wheelchair over to her nursing home, bro.
	Don't.
	She is not in the nursing home.
	I don't think.
	She is fully functional.
	Does she have Fig Newtons, Brian?
	She does.
	I know she has Fig Newtons.
	Ask her if she has Fig Newtons.
	Somebody asked her if she has audio on.
	Okay, boys, we're going to raid.
	Whoa, Grandma.
	Guys, she's 82.
	Be nice.
	We're going to send her a raid.
	10 seconds.
	Thank you guys for watching on Twitch.
	Thank you guys for watching on Twitch.
	I hope you guys have a good night.
	Drop us a follow before I send you over there.
	Drop us a prime sub before I send you over there.
	Be nice, guys.
	Tell her what's up.
	All right.
	Thank you guys for watching on Twitch.
	Hope you guys have a good night.
	No, she said something about the evoker, and she got banned for a whole week.
	I can't believe that.
	Oh, am I doing any professions?
	Oh, shit.
	I do not have any.
	Oh, is whatever coming also?
	We have a raid from whatever.
	I don't have, I don't even like Fig Newtons.
	I don't even like Fig Newtons.
	Hey there. Welcome.
	That's good.
	We were wrong.
	I was going to have a cookie of the double Dutch chocolate.
	She didn't even realize.
	All right.
	That's so funny.
	All right.
	They did ask her the great thing.
	We got to always send them over there with a question.
	Oh, yeah, with a question.
	Fig Newton's.
	Something wholesome.
	Something wholesome.
	Is that Jodi?
	Have you guys heard of Jodi on Motor Warcraft?
	No, who's that?
	She's just, she's this older woman who spams in the general chats and always online.
	Pingholes, dude, to be old in that much life.
	It's beautiful.
	It's beautiful.
	Let's see here.
	I just want to make sure.
	Okay, we're all good on the chats.
	All good on that.
	Okay.
	Well, thank you to the panel.
	Thank you guys.
	It was an interesting show.
	Appreciate you guys coming.
	I know we got into a little back and forths.
	It's no hard feelings, you know, no hard feelings.
	I know I called you an R slur, but it's all love.
	I missed the R slur, but okay.
	Or who did I call?
	Maybe I called somebody else an R slur?
	I mean, if you didn't, you should have.
	I probably should have.
	Why is that word not okay anymore?
	You know?
	It's the best word ever.
	We need to bring it back.
	I know.
	I feel the same way.
	Based.
	Okay, we can end the show on a, what is it?
	Common common ground.
	We got a little.
	Yeah, I think, you know, it should be okay.
	But there's this push to say, you shouldn't say that word.
	Everyone says it.
	Yeah, we all say it.
	You can't help it.
	I, you know, but there's a push to.
	It's the funniest word ever.
	That's all I have to say.
	Look, if saying idiot is okay, the R slur should also be okay, you know?
	And also.
	You don't call retarded people retards.
	It's bad taste.
	You call your friends retards when they're acting retarded.
	With that said, we're going to wrap the show there.
	07s in the chat.
	I hope you guys have a good night.
	We'll see you on Sunday.
	But yeah, good night, guys.

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