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INSANE Losing VlRGlNlTY Story?! She DETRANSlTIONED?! She Got ARRESTED?! Andrew! | Dating Talk #194

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	With that said, without further ado, we're going to have the guests introduce themselves.
	So please tell us your name, age, location, and occupation.
	Go ahead.
	I'm the infamous Desiree Noel.
	Doomsday, Desiree.
	Doomsday, Desiree.
	That's me.
	I'm basically the 38-year-old version of your conspiracy theories, donor friend, but like mom version.
	So anyway, I have a lot of interest these days.
	So stay at home mom of three homeschooling this year.
	Okay.
	And so I do OnlyFans to make my money.
	I am actually, Brian, you, word on the street is you have made me into the number one pog MILF on OnlyFans globally.
	So, for those of you who don't know the street terms, that is a fat ass white girl.
	MILF is mom I'd like to fornicate with.
	So, I'm the number one natural in the natural category.
	No BBL.
	So, that's kind of cool.
	Can we not do the hand gesturing?
	It's kind of getting into my frame on the camera.
	I like to keep my frame clear, but okay, that's cool, I guess.
	And I wrote a couple books.
	They're on Amazon.
	All right, what about you?
	I'm Vivian.
	I turned 18 last month.
	I'm from San Francisco originally.
	I just live in the Bay.
	And my occupation is: well, I don't, I'm unemployed, unfortunately.
	I'm looking for a job.
	Are you a NEET?
	Do you know what that is?
	NEET?
	N-E-E-T?
	No, I don't know what that means.
	So it stands for not in employment, education, or training.
	Yes, that's it.
	So you're not in school?
	Not I'm taking a gap year before I go to college.
	I'm taking a gap year before I go to college, so I'm not in school yet, but probably next year.
	Okay.
	And we tried to get your mom to come on the show with you for the first mother-daughter, whatever, but it didn't work.
	It didn't work.
	Okay, cool.
	What about you?
	My name is Jade Martin.
	I am 24.
	I'm from California, and I'm a Twitch streamer.
	All right.
	From California, okay.
	And politically incorrect on Twitter, so.
	Politically incorrect on Twitter.
	And you said you're a Twitch streamer.
	Do you stream video games or just chatting?
	What's your go-to video game on that?
	Right now, Elden Ring, usually Apex Legends.
	What's that new one with the monkey?
	Monkey.
	The monkey one that's kind of like Elden Ring.
	It's Wukong.
	Wukong.
	Have you been playing that?
	No.
	Okay.
	And you are a D-transitioner, is that correct?
	Yes.
	Okay, and so you're born female?
	Yes, and then I took testosterone and then back to female, even though I was born female.
	But yeah.
	And at what age did you start the transition?
	It was a few days after my 18th birthday, so 18, I guess.
	But I was prescribed as a minor.
	Did you take it when you were a minor?
	Any of the drugs or whatever?
	Around my 18th birthday.
	I mean, if you consider three days of being 18 years old, an adult, then I guess an adult.
	Okay.
	And when did you stop?
	When I was 20.
	So about two years.
	Yeah.
	Two and a half years?
	Three-ish.
	Three-ish.
	Three-ish years.
	Okay.
	And were you just taking the hormones or was there just the hormones, no surgeries?
	No surgeries or anything like that.
	Okay.
	All right.
	And, well, I'm sure we can, we'll get into some more of that stuff a little later on in the show, but what about you?
	I'm Benedetta.
	I'm from Italy.
	I'm 23, and I graduated in mechanical engineering in Italy, and then I decided to come here for a master's program.
	Okay.
	So I'm going to attend a master program in mechanical engineering?
	No, in management of technology, actually.
	So I changed a little bit.
	And it took this six months to travel around Asia and Spain.
	The past six months.
	Yeah.
	And so you just got here to Santa Barbara?
	Three days.
	Three days ago.
	Okay.
	And you said you're a master's student.
	Okay, got it.
	And you're going to be here for how long?
	Right now, one year, but I hope to continue staying here.
	So maybe I'm going to find a job or something.
	At minimum one year, though.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	All right.
	What about you?
	My name is Elle.
	I am 18.
	I just moved here from the East Coast.
	I'm a student full-time.
	What are you studying?
	Psychology.
	Psychology.
	Going into your freshman year?
	Yes, freshman year.
	At UCSB?
	SBCC.
	Oh, SBCC.
	Okay, gotcha.
	And you said the East Coast, so like New York, New Jersey?
	I'm from Maine.
	Maine?
	Yeah.
	Wow.
	Wow.
	Wait, hold on.
	I have something for this.
	Wait, hold on.
	Yes!
	Crab cakes and bookbooks!
	That's what Maryland does!
	Oh, Maryland.
	I got it wrong.
	I mixed up the Maine, the Maryland.
	And A forever.
	A forever.
	Definitely.
	I've been waiting like a year to press that button.
	I'm waiting for a girl from Maryland to come on the show.
	Sorry, disappointing.
	Very disappointing.
	Maine, so that's New England.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	All right, cool.
	Do you know like where on a map it is?
	Could you say it?
	I could point to it.
	You could point it out.
	I could point to it.
	It's a tippy top one?
	Yeah, tippy top.
	Yes.
	Just the tip.
	Just for a second.
	Traveled all the way from just the tip.
	I don't know.
	It's a long journey.
	Just a tip.
	Just for a second.
	I got it.
	Just a second.
	It was a little delayed, but I got it.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	My name is Cheyenne McGee.
	I'm 27.
	I'm a full-time student at UCSB.
	Okay.
	I'm a pre-med student, so I'm studying biopsychology.
	I'm also a full-time mom as well.
	I don't really have an occupation.
	Oh.
	Wait.
	And what are you studying at UCCB?
	My mom is an occupation.
	Yes, it is.
	Several.
	Get it, girl.
	I'm studying biopsychology.
	Oh, biopsych.
	Okay.
	And how old's your daughter?
	Six.
	I have two girls.
	Two girls.
	Six and eight.
	Six and eight.
	Okay.
	And how long ago did you have them?
	Like six.
	Six and eight.
	Six and six.
	That took me a minute.
	I was like, oh, yeah.
	All right.
	What about you?
	Hi, my name is Rebecca.
	I'm 41.
	I'm from Concord in California, up in the Bay Area.
	And I'm a full-time mom, a full-time office manager at a construction company.
	And what was the other one?
	I think that's it, right?
	Yeah, I think that location, age, occupation.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Oh, sorry, she doesn't speak English.
	My bad.
	All right.
	So, Andrew, what about you?
	My name is Andrew Wilson.
	I'm the host of The Crucible.
	It is, to my knowledge, fastest growing debate channel on YouTube.
	I'm a political analyst, political satirist, and I occasionally enjoy debating.
	All right.
	Welcome, everybody.
	So we're going to go around the table once more.
	What is everybody's current relationship status?
	So are you single, talking stage, situationship, relationship, friends with benefits, married, polycule sex, colderum, whatever it may be?
	If you're single, how long have you been single?
	And what's the longest relationship you've ever been in?
	Go ahead.
	So I'm in a situationship, I would say, with you, Brian, because Brian's like my imaginary boyfriend now.
	I'm his imaginary boyfriend.
	I'm not mind again over this.
	I just use him as a therapist type of friend in the influencer world that can maybe understand the insanity of becoming like famous, but nobody told us that that was what was going to happen.
	Erroneous!
	Erroneous!
	Okay, so that was that one.
	Yeah, we're not going to do that.
	Since I've been in a real relationship, like where the person actually came to visit me and stuff, that would be since about a year ago.
	And then my longest relationship was about 10 years with my kid's dad.
	One beat everything, right?
	That was very thorough.
	Thank you, Desiree.
	What about you?
	Single longest relationship was like four or five months.
	Yeah.
	Erroneous!
	Wait, oh, what the hell?
	Erroneous.
	Wait, so did not mean for that to go off there.
	Also, just a point of clarification: me and Desiree are not dating.
	Just want to make that clear.
	It's an imaginary thing in my life.
	It's like, you're like my drop dead Fred.
	What is that?
	Remember that movie?
	Drop Dead Fred, right?
	I haven't seen it.
	And it's like this little character that's imaginary that comes and like fucks her whole life up, but she has like a scapegoat to blame it on.
	That's you for me.
	I'm the scapegoat.
	Yes.
	So every time people ask me why I've been going off the rails, I'm like, well, it's Brian's fault.
	It works.
	Okay.
	But then I do take accountability.
	In any case, I still got to clean up the mess that you made.
	By the way, I just want to let you know, don't take it personally.
	You send me like a wall of hold on.
	You send me walls of like walls of text.
	I really do.
	DMs.
	And I just want to let you know.
	You never read them.
	I don't read them.
	I know.
	I know you don't.
	I'm too busy.
	I know.
	But I have this addiction to seeing the scene.
	I get the scene.
	At least I give you the scene.
	Yeah, and then I get the hit.
	And I have like that anxious, avoidant attachment from like extreme childhood trauma.
	So it's like, I need a little intimacy, but if you give me too much, I'm going to freak out.
	So I just need to see it seen, and then we're good.
	I didn't need you to actually know all that about me.
	I give you the scene.
	I give you the scene.
	And I appreciate that.
	And once in a while, a little heart.
	That's the little breadcrumb, you know, how we were starved of attention.
	And then they give us a little breadcrumb.
	And I'm like, oh, maybe we are really friends.
	Oh, my God.
	And then it'll be like 14 days later before I get another heart.
	You know, I'm like, oh my god, it's a breadcrumb.
	See?
	And then I keep in the delusion.
	So, I mean, part of you needs it, but it is conscious.
	I'll say that.
	It's conscious.
	So you were, you said you've been single for how long again?
	Oh, well, like, probably like since the beginning of summer.
	So, like, well, actually, a little before that.
	So, like, four or five months.
	Yeah, and you were on, was it three weeks ago, a month ago, about?
	Yeah.
	Any prospects?
	Any dates?
	Anything like that?
	Yeah, but you've been, what do you mean, yeah?
	Like, yes.
	Elaborate.
	Dates.
	First dates.
	Yeah.
	How many?
	Two.
	Two?
	Different guys, I'm assuming.
	Yeah.
	How'd those go?
	Honestly, well.
	I mean, like, but like, it's slow since.
	It's been slow since then.
	So, like.
	Well, have you seen any of them second times?
	No.
	It went well?
	They don't.
	Well, like, the actual date itself was like, I, was, like, fine.
	It was, like, good.
	Yeah.
	Um, like, we enjoyed each other's company, like, both times we got along, but, like, not really, like, successful in, like, a dating, yeah, not successful really in a dating sense.
	So the dates went well, but I mean, how long ago?
	How long ago were the dates?
	Like, last week I went on to.
	Last week?
	Okay.
	Have you scheduled?
	No.
	Have they scheduled?
	No.
	Did you ask for the dates or did they?
	One of them was like mutual.
	Actually, I would say like mutual both ways, or me, maybe.
	Well, are you intending to see them again?
	I'm not sure.
	Didn't you say the dates went well?
	Yeah, but also like I'm I also just like might not want to like date anyone.
	Why is that?
	Because I feel kind of like incompatible with men, not in like a sexuality way, but like I just feel like I've never really had a like we really understand each other type situation.
	Wait, are you if your orientation is bi, is that correct?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	So you date women too then?
	No, I've never dated a woman.
	I've just had some like fleeting attraction or I've had like I was in boarding school which was all girls so like it was kind of like prison where it's like prison?
	It's kind of like prison where it's like gay for the stay.
	That's what they say.
	I like it.
	Yeah, like everyone, everyone who goes to boarding school for like a year is like gay for the stay.
	There's like very few people, very few girls who don't like kind of date other girls when they're in boarding school.
	Because you have no access to boys.
	Okay.
	Is the phantom dick thing real?
	I've no idea.
	What that is.
	No idea what that is.
	I've just heard it from some like lesbians or bisexual girls like when they're it's almost like energetically their energy builds up like this phantom dick when they're fooling around with each other.
	I was just curious if that was a real thing or not.
	Because I could see that from just different experiences I've had.
	I wouldn't say I have like a haunting presence of like probably shouldn't be asked.
	Well no I just mean like almost like it feels like there's something inside of you in that area that a dick would be.
	I think that's just like being turned on.
	Okay.
	But yeah, I might say it's like that's what I mean.
	That's what I mean.
	It's like the turn on that's so strong, it's almost tangible.
	Like there's a lot of sexual energy built up.
	You know what I'm saying?
	I do actually.
	So wait, are you saying you like ran through chicks at boarding school?
	No, I just had one experience because like we were all in really close.
	So like how many?
	Like you just ran through a bunch or no, one.
	Like you were like you have Riz.
	There's no way there was just one.
	Like you have Mad Riz.
	Like if I was a lesbian, I would be crawling with this.
	You'd crush it.
	I was just going to say that.
	You would crush it.
	Yeah.
	I don't know these words.
	Yeah.
	It's certainly an option for me, but so it was, what did you call it?
	It was gay for the stay?
	Brian, you've never done a stint in the pin.
	You couldn't understand.
	Okay, you've had a very privileged life.
	Okay, so.
	A lot of people know what that would mean.
	Like we usually go.
	Most girls go back to dating guys after, or they're just bi.
	Okay.
	But so you did have that one experience.
	How long did you date that girl?
	No, well, I didn't date her.
	Oh, it was like a singular.
	Well, we were all just like really close friends, so it was kind of like there's a lot of intermingling.
	Yeah, you could say that.
	What?
	No, I'm telling you to speak into the mic.
	I thought you were like signaling like what happened.
	I was like, wait, I thought it was this.
	What is it with girls?
	Wouldn't it be this?
	No.
	No, it'd be girl.
	Okay, we get it, Desiree.
	Thank you.
	It goes like this, you guys.
	All right, that's great.
	Lesbian sex edge.
	Thank you, Desiree.
	That was fantastic.
	So you went on two dates.
	The dates went well, but I think you said you don't feel like you had things in common with them.
	Oh, definitely.
	I just like fail to understand men.
	I mean, isn't that just the nature of the relationship between men and women?
	I feel like I could under like, I just need to, like, really honestly, I just really need to, like, stay with someone for a long enough time and, like, really actually try to get to know them.
	It's kind of my fault.
	So, have they hit you up and been, like, hey, do you want to hang out again?
	No.
	We just, like, talk like.
	Oh, you guys are still talking?
	I mean, like, infrequently.
	It's like, like, once every couple of days, kind of talking.
	Did you hook up with either of them?
	Both of them?
	Yes.
	I was also.
	I'm going to be honest.
	I was also.
	I'm disappointed in you.
	Kind of.
	Vivian.
	He's a dad to you right now.
	He's my dad.
	Go ahead.
	Kind of what?
	I was also kind of under the influence.
	Of meth?
	No.
	Matt.
	It's not metal.
	I don't think you're really like.
	Didn't you say you went to boarding school because of all the meth you did?
	Bruh.
	Sorry, it was cocaine?
	That was Lucy.
	That was not.
	That was Lucy who was doing the cocaine.
	That's right.
	How can I forget?
	Okay, so you were doing what?
	Well, a mix of things.
	I would rather not say, but a mix of things.
	Amyl nitrate?
	Brian didn't go through a party phase, so he doesn't understand what people do once in a while to let loose.
	I mean, it was different psychedelics along with.
	Let's just say it was mushrooms.
	Hypothetically.
	There you go.
	Well, that was like two weeks earlier, and then there was just a lot going on.
	And I just like, it was very impulsive both times.
	And I do.
	It was kind of a poor decision because I don't feel like I was really looking for a relationship or at my best self at the time of doing that.
	So it was kind of like an irresponsible, not super serious, but I do.
	Like, I enjoyed my time with both people.
	Like, we kind of called that raving or like Woodstock in previous generations, but you just did it like privately.
	Basically.
	That's like rave culture.
	Like, you go and you know you're going to do some stupid substances and do some stupid shit, but you're like consensual.
	Wait, question.
	You said both of these two dates were last week?
	Yeah.
	What was the time period between the two?
	Like a few days.
	So like one on a Wednesday, one on a Friday?
	Yeah.
	What were the actual days?
	Yeah, it was like two days in between.
	It was two days in between.
	A three-day weekend.
	Three-day weekend.
	I was going to say, oh, man, okay.
	No, that's cool.
	Good for you.
	Yeah, it's like not, no, I mean, yeah.
	It was an experience.
	We can fix her.
	I think you should lump those into like one experience almost.
	It was like a one three-day weekend, like extravaganza.
	Live and learn.
	Heroin.
	Wasn't maybe your best look.
	You had an experience.
	Lesson learned.
	I really, yeah.
	It was kind of like an itch to scratch because I don't do that typically.
	Exactly.
	A three-day party weekend.
	Once in a while.
	Anyways, what about you?
	I am single.
	I've only been in one relationship and that was about two years.
	And I've been single for two years.
	Single for two years.
	So I'm assuming that's the one that ended two years ago, the two-year one.
	Okay.
	Any I'm assuming any dating in between?
	Two different people.
	How long were those?
	My first date, because my ex didn't take me out on dates.
	So my first date ever was two years ago and I just went on a date a week ago.
	Okay.
	Have you, was it just a first date?
	The first one was two dates.
	The one a week ago was one.
	How did that one go?
	I loved it.
	But I'm keeping that one private.
	Well, is there going to be a second date?
	I hope so.
	The first date, the guy from two years ago, didn't go well.
	But the most recent one, do you think there'll be a second date?
	I don't know.
	How long ago?
	You said it was a week ago?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	All right.
	What about you?
	So my ex-boyfriend and I just broke up like one week ago.
	Okay.
	Kind of.
	And we've been to, no, my longest relationship was almost two years.
	Three years ago or four years ago, I don't remember.
	And that's it.
	I'm not looking for any, like I'm looking for fun.
	Like something easy, but like not like ten people together.
	Just one that goes and comes like with me and I decide what to do, like everything.
	And he just follows.
	Wait, he just follows?
	Yeah, follows me.
	That's my, like, right now I want to have a lot of fun.
	Is that what you have?
	No.
	Or is it what you're looking for?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Like something easy and without problems, without anything.
	And you said you got here three days ago?
	Yeah.
	Have you been out like partying or anything like that?
	No, no.
	Yeah.
	Do you party at all?
	Yeah, I do.
	Okay.
	And you said you broke up a week ago or what?
	Three weeks ago?
	No, ten days ago.
	Ten days ago.
	Yeah.
	How long were you dating that guy?
	One year and two months, like something like that.
	I actually lived with him for four months.
	And did you guys break up because you were moving here?
	Yeah.
	And he couldn't keep up with this thing.
	Like he wasn't fine with the long distance relationship.
	And even because there is a gap of nine hours, so not easy.
	Okay.
	And was it a mutual breakup?
	Did he break up with you?
	Did you break up with him?
	He was the like he broke up with me.
	Okay.
	And he was older than me, a lot older.
	So like.
	How old was he?
	He is 40 and 23.
	So like.
	Okay.
	We can maybe that'd be interesting to talk about like age gap relationships a bit later.
	So that's like 17 year age gap.
	But you guys were dating for a year and a half, so did you meet him at 21?
	No.
	Or 22?
	And he was 38?
	39?
	39.
	39, okay.
	Alright, so yeah, we'll talk about age gap relationships later on the show.
	That's interesting.
	Have you always dated older guys typically?
	Yeah, not that old.
	Yeah.
	Well, you said your longest relationship was two years.
	How old was or what was the age gap there?
	Three years.
	Oh, just three years.
	Okay.
	Yeah, no, never like that.
	No, not that gap.
	That was the first time with that old guy.
	Okay, I see.
	All right.
	Okay.
	And one quick question.
	So have you been to the United States before?
	Yeah.
	I've been here in high school for six months.
	Yeah.
	And then I came here like four times to visit.
	Just like that.
	And you said weren't you just traveling?
	You said you were like in Asia, right?
	Yeah.
	How long were you traveling?
	I went for one month and a half in Asia.
	I went to Thailand.
	Singapore, Thailand, Singapore.
	Singapore, yeah.
	Japan, Japan, and Bali.
	Bali.
	And then I went to Tarifa.
	It's like a small town in Spain to do kite surf.
	Yeah.
	Like to stay there.
	And that's where.
	Wait, where?
	Tarifa.
	It's like a small town in Spain.
	Oh, okay.
	It's the name.
	Tarifa.
	It's a name.
	Okay.
	Of a place.
	And there is where my ex-boyfriend lived.
	So I w I went there to stay with him.
	He's Spanish?
	No, he's Argentinian.
	Oh, Argentinian.
	Yeah, but he lives there.
	Right.
	Okay.
	And so were you traveling with your boyfriend?
	No.
	No, I went to Asia by myself and with a friend, and then I went to...
	Female friend?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	And then I went to his house and we stayed together for four months in his house.
	Okay.
	Got it.
	But you were still in a relationship when you were traveling.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Okay.
	And you said you're looking for it sounds like essentially a monogamous friends with benefits kind of?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Yeah, or yeah, or whatever.
	I didn't figure it out.
	Sure.
	I don't have any plans.
	All right.
	Well, welcome to, uh, welcome to the U S maybe we'll also get into, uh, dating like American men versus, uh, European, maybe even versus have you dated any, like, well, you didn't date anyone in Asia, right?
	No.
	Okay.
	I did just European well an Argentinian and an American when I was here.
	Okay.
	We'll get into that later.
	What about you?
	Okay, so I have like kind of a similar not the age gap but um I just got out of the relationship.
	It was my first and it was like kind of mainly for the distance.
	I mean long distance is like daunting but yeah.
	So you're single now?
	Yeah I'm single now.
	As of when?
	As of like two months ago like we were still I mean but still what?
	Hanging out.
	As of until I left for so you hung out like a week ago or I got here maybe two weeks ago.
	Or two and a half weeks ago so.
	Okay so you guys hung out like right before you left?
	Yeah like at the airport like he dropped you off.
	How long were you dating him for?
	We were dating for 10 months.
	Ten months.
	And you said not an age gap though right you said?
	No so I mean that was only different.
	It was just that you broke up because of the distance.
	Yeah.
	Because you're from the East Coast so this was in Maine.
	Yeah.
	I'm assuming.
	Okay.
	Okay so ten months.
	You guys you broke up but you continued hanging out.
	So was it like non-monogamous or yeah I mean like I stayed loyal to him during the time that we hung out and like for what I know he did too.
	Okay.
	It was just a lot of like the pressure around leaving anticipation of leaving.
	You're like okay.
	Yeah.
	Um now who kind of wanted because you could have done long distance right?
	So were you wanting long distance?
	Was he did who did somebody specifically end it or?
	We like I don't know getting into the relationship I already knew I was coming out here for school and like talking about long distance like there's just I don't know.
	I had never been like thinking it was something I would do.
	Just like not see each other for months.
	Now that we're broken up, I've definitely changed my mind about it.
	And I don't know how he feels about that, but yeah, it's like, I don't know, interesting.
	Yeah, but so you initiated it?
	We both had like similar feelings about like not wanting to do long distance.
	Okay.
	But yeah.
	All right.
	And then what about you?
	I guess I'm in a situationship with my ex.
	We broke up a year ago, but we still fool around here and there.
	Close enough?
	And my longest relationship was with my sperm donor for eight years.
	So.
	Wait, sperm donor.
	I don't think he deserves the title of father, but maybe you're a child.
	I like it.
	I'm starting to go with that one, too.
	Wait for some of these guys.
	You're in a situationship with a guy.
	How long have you been seeing this person?
	I've been seeing him for maybe two years now.
	We actually lived together before I moved out here.
	We broke up in November, but like I said, we still mess around.
	Okay.
	And there was the sperm donor?
	Yes.
	Who you were seeing for how long?
	That was my longest relationship.
	Eight years.
	Eight years.
	Okay.
	Why do you call him a sperm donor?
	Because he does not deserve the title to be my children's father, my baby daddy, nothing of that nature.
	That is a sperm donor, and that is it.
	Does he pay child support?
	No.
	Is he in the children's life?
	Yeah, definitely.
	Yes.
	He's in their life?
	I mean, I guess.
	I don't know.
	Yes and no.
	He's there, but he's not there, if that makes sense.
	Huh.
	Like, how often does he see the kids?
	All the time, definitely.
	Oh.
	But it's just because, like, say, when they go with their grandmother, he's in the back house while they're in the front house.
	So, you know, and he doesn't.
	So it's more like they're going to visit with the family, his family, more than him.
	Do you guys have a custody arrangement, like through the court?
	Yes, I'm actually going through a custody battle now.
	Hmm.
	Okay.
	And who brought it to the court, him or you?
	Me.
	You, okay.
	And so are you seeking full custody?
	Yes, soul.
	Soul custody.
	Okay.
	Is there a difference between full custody?
	I think it's the same.
	Soul?
	That's probably the same.
	Yeah, and then there's something that's called custodial parent.
	I'm like, I don't know.
	I keep forgetting to look that up because I'm like the custodial parent.
	I don't know if that means they live with us more than the other parent.
	I know there's primary and other, I don't know, it's confusing.
	Yeah, there's so many terms.
	And what's the nature of the relationship between the two of you?
	I mean, you guys were together for eight years.
	Was the relationship acrimonious or contentious?
	It's very volatile.
	Like, we were close, close friends.
	We were best friends actually for like a year or two before we finally hooked up.
	Even to this day, we could talk to each other like we're perfectly cool and friends and all that.
	And it doesn't look like there's beef.
	And then the next second, boom, we're arguing at each other's necks.
	Yeah, I don't know if they mentioned, but the crazy thing is like we went to jail over an argument behind Game of Thrones.
	Really?
	Yes.
	Well, I'm all of a sudden very intrigued by this.
	Where were you guys when I was married?
	We would have been like the neighbors.
	It's not about you, Desiree.
	All right.
	So back to this.
	So what was the argument?
	We were arguing about the twins, Jamie and Sarah C. Lannister.
	Yeah.
	And I was just saying that is so wrong, incest and blah, blah, blah.
	And it's like twins and all that.
	And he's like, no, it doesn't matter.
	Love is love.
	Sounds like he had some unresolved family trauma there.
	Yeah, you said in your pre-show notes, went to jail over an argument about you both went to jail?
	Yes.
	The thing that makes me so upset, and this is why I'll never call the police, even if I get stabbed and I'm dying on the street.
	I called the police, and I ended up going to jail as well with him.
	You called the police?
	Yes.
	Was he all fucked up?
	No, we had just woken up.
	We literally just woke up in the morning.
	We put on the show.
	We started watching it.
	Yeah.
	And then, yeah, by 11, like 11 a.m., 12 or noon, like we were fighting each other up and down the hallways.
	Webster calls this a toxic relationship.
	It's very, very, very toxic and codependent.
	So it was just about, how long ago was this?
	Like, was this before Game of Thrones ended?
	Yes.
	Way before.
	It was way before.
	Because, yeah, you guys were together for eight years.
	Wait, so how soon into the relationship did the shit, the fight go down?
	This is like a year later into the race relationship.
	So one year in.
	Damn, one year in, you guys are already like squabbling about Game of Thrones.
	I mean, look, Game of Thrones, I'm a fan of Game of Thrones.
	Very sensitive subject for me.
	You know, I can understand why someone would get heated over this topic.
	So it was probably like season.
	Do you know what season it was?
	What year was this?
	What year was it?
	I know what season it'll be.
	It's like the first episode.
	Yeah, there it is.
	So it's when the kid gets pushed out the tower.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	How dare you spoil the first episode?
	I'm sorry.
	I'm sorry.
	10 years ago.
	That's fine.
	There's no spoilers.
	No, it's fine.
	So what year?
	Do you know what year it was?
	I want to say 2016 or 17.
	2016 or 17.
	Okay.
	So it was one of the earlier seasons.
	I know that.
	Damn.
	So he was arguing incest, fine.
	Yeah, love is love and all that.
	Love is love.
	That was his argument.
	It doesn't, and I was just like, uh, no.
	There it is.
	That's a crazy thing.
	To have heated argument about.
	I mean, but the thing is, like, what do you have you seen House of the Dragon?
	No, I haven't.
	You haven't been keeping up?
	No, I haven't.
	So, I mean, there is an argument to be made in the Game of Thrones universe and the Song of Ice and Fire universe, at least for Targaryens, they get a pass when it comes to the incest because they got to keep the bloodline pure.
	Right.
	Cersei and Jamie being Lannisters and not being dragon riders.
	And, you know, the dragons have been dead for a very long time.
	There's not really a compelling argument to be made for incest in the age of, you know, when the Game of Thrones was happening.
	House of the Dragon, that's a different discussion.
	There's still dragons.
	There's dragon riders.
	You got to keep the blood pure for the Targaryens.
	I think you were in the right in the argument.
	I believe so as well.
	I have to back you on this one.
	Andrew, do you have thoughts on this convers on incest?
	No, I'm not.
	That guy don't know anything about Game of Thrones, man.
	Oh, okay.
	All right.
	So that is a crazy.
	That's pretty crazy, though.
	Yeah.
	That's pretty crazy.
	And they like try to murder the kid over to keep their incest private.
	Yeah, no.
	Well, there's other concerns.
	But anyways, okay.
	And then you said he's also gay.
	I think he is.
	Or he's bi, maybe.
	I don't know.
	I think he's an asexual, bisexual, or maybe he's just gay for pay.
	I'm not sure.
	Gay for pay.
	Yeah.
	Because there's a few moments where I kind of caught him.
	Like.
	You know.
	Oh, sorry.
	There's a few moments where I kind of caught him, I guess, trying to, like, I don't know what to say.
	Escort himself or something like that?
	So it's it?
	Yes, there you go.
	So it's it, where I, and then I heard rumors as well from the streets because we're both from Altadena.
	And so everybody, it's kind of a small city, so we kind of know each other.
	Everybody kind of knows everyone.
	And yeah, there's also times where he's also asked me to excuse the room because I guess he also does it on his Oculus in the VR chat rooms and stuff.
	So yeah.
	Damn.
	I guess once we broke up, he just went all out full boss to the walls.
	Wait, you said he was asexual?
	That's what he claims to be.
	That's what he says he is.
	He's asexual.
	He doesn't really like people touching him.
	He doesn't like physical contact.
	It's kind of sad.
	But yeah, he has his own demons and issues.
	And so you caught him trying to prostitute and tricking men into thinking he's a woman?
	Yes, because he does play that.
	He has a really light voice.
	Does he look like a woman?
	I don't think he does, but he does, he is, he does switch, and he's kind of, and a lot of people do mistake him as a woman because he has a light voice, a really light voice.
	Yeah.
	Huh.
	But I mean, he got you pregnant twice.
	So, I mean, you guys were having some sex.
	Yes.
	No, throughout the relationship.
	Yes, but I was always the nine times out of ten, I was the initiator.
	Oh.
	So.
	Hmm.
	Damn, that's tough.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	Current relationship status, I would call it a situationship.
	And longest relationship, 20 years.
	Currently.
	And you have children?
	Is that correct?
	Yes.
	Two years.
	So you're currently in the situationship.
	You said your longest is how long?
	20 years.
	20 years.
	The children are from the 20-year relationship?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Situationship is.
	Stepfather?
	Father.
	Oh, wait, 20-year relationship?
	Is the situation?
	Is the situation?
	Okay.
	Were you guys ever married?
	Yes.
	Are you.
	That would be the situationship currently.
	So you're married.
	Are you getting a divorce or?
	I'm not going to say any more about that part.
	Oh, okay.
	So it is a situationship, though.
	So are you dating other people or?
	It's open.
	Oh, you're in an open marriage relationship.
	Yeah, complicated.
	That's why I say situationship.
	It's complicated.
	It's not going to be elaborated on.
	Who wanted to open it up?
	You or him?
	Both.
	Both.
	All right.
	Archduke Franz Ferdinand.
	You can introduce yourself if you want to.
	I'm Anissa. I have a boyfriend.
	Okay, good.
	Good, good, good.
	There you go.
	That's Anissa.
	She's joining the team, guys.
	So W's in the chat for Anissa.
	We need Juanissa's in the chat.
	Juanissa's in the chat.
	W, Anissa?
	Okay, cool.
	So, Andrew, what about you?
	How are you doing?
	Still married?
	Still married.
	Are we going to get a Rachel cameo, Andrew?
	Don't know yet.
	She's up and about doing stuff at the moment.
	Okay, we got to get into Rachel cameo.
	Desiree, if you can scoot into the table just a tad.
	So I'm not sure if Desiree deserves to be graced with the presence of one such as Rachel, to be honest with you.
	Definitely not.
	So, let's see here.
	I'm going to get into some of the pre-show notes here.
	And let's see.
	Vivian.
	Why don't we start with Vivian?
	Pre-show notes.
	You said dating topics.
	I have to go to the bathroom.
	Oh, my God.
	I'm sorry.
	Okay.
	I don't want to start a long conversation.
	I'm going to have to.
	Okay, sounds good.
	Have fun.
	Good luck.
	Good luck in there.
	All right.
	Just got to go to the bathroom.
	Let me read some chats though while we do that.
	We had whatever fan, Miss Idley just needs to forget about it.
	What?
	She doesn't even speak English.
	So she's not Italian-American, so she's not going to know those things.
	Yeah, she's Italian-Italian.
	So forget about it is like an Italian-American kind of.
	Okay, thing.
	Kind of.
	It just means like get out there, have fun.
	Oh, yeah, definitely.
	Right?
	Yeah.
	There's other fish in the sea type thing?
	Oh!
	Okay.
	Whatever fan, thank you for the message.
	Really appreciate it.
	Let's see here.
	Why don't we get into some of your stuff?
	So, Jade, you said you have a crazy story of dating a criminal/slash abuser, but your dates.
	You're what?
	Slash bisexual.
	Slash bisexual.
	Okay.
	But your dates so far have been respectful.
	The most recent one, yes.
	Wait.
	So, wait, was this the guy who you were dating for two years?
	The most recent, no.
	Who's the criminal abuser, the two-year guy?
	My ex-boyfriend, the only boyfriend I've had, yeah.
	So the guy you did for two years?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	And then I had a date.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	What kind of crime?
	I can't say the word on YouTube, apparently.
	Oh.
	It was a violent crime?
	No.
	That's a involving not adults.
	Okay, that's a yikes.
	That's yikes.
	Okay.
	Let's see.
	You said you have a bizarre dating story.
	You dated the bisexual homeless man who ended up being a criminal and you living a double life with another woman.
	Yes.
	He ended up owing you $15,000 and going to jail.
	Yes.
	So we won't talk about the jail part, but we can talk about how did he end up owing you $15,000?
	So I met him when he was somewhat homeless.
	So he was a truck driver that lived out of his truck and he would guilt me into giving him money.
	And, you know, I was young.
	It was my first boyfriend.
	And that kind of ties into the whole detransition thing.
	Like, I've never had a boyfriend before.
	I didn't know how dating worked or boyfriends.
	So I was just naive and vulnerable.
	And I just didn't know how it worked.
	So I believed him.
	Whenever he needed money, I would give him money.
	And he ended up switching jobs.
	So he moved to a different state.
	And in that state, he somehow got a girlfriend within two weeks and moved in with her and was living a double life with her for several months without me knowing.
	Word?
	But I'm just curious, though, if I can kind of follow up here.
	Why is it that you think he owes you money, though?
	Because he would lie to me about where the money was going.
	He had money when he switched jobs.
	So the girlfriend that he had was providing him money for everything.
	And he would tell me, I'm on the streets.
	I'm going to be on the streets.
	Give me money.
	But really, it was going to the girlfriend and even a car.
	So.
	Did he?
	I mean, did he ever say that he was going to pay you this money back?
	Yes.
	Was that like an agreement?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	So he would spend the money, first boyfriend, ever.
	You were giving him money.
	He would spend it on another woman.
	Yes.
	It's a cold world wheel.
	He would travel with her.
	Cold World Wheeler.
	Take her on dates.
	I never got a date.
	Damn.
	That's.
	That's kind of.
	That's crazy.
	Yeah.
	So he's using you.
	Wait, was this during wait?
	Were you like, had you detransitioned at this point?
	When I met him, I detransitioned.
	So.
	Hmm.
	Well, I mean, how soon?
	About a month after meeting him.
	Okay, so when you guys started the relationship, were you acting as though it was a same-sex relationship?
	I mean, yeah, but that's delusional.
	It was not a same-sex relationship.
	Well, I'm not, I'm not.
	Because this is hard to.
	This is really hard to phrase, right?
	But I think you understand what I'm talking about.
	Yeah, I understand.
	Were you guys acting as though it was, though?
	He wasn't.
	He would just.
	He wasn't?
	No, he would just treat me like a woman.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Gotcha.
	I was going to say, because I mean, the story you told sounds like some shit that men go through all the time, right?
	Not usually women.
	Yeah.
	It's like a, well, it's actually getting really common.
	The same thing happened to me, essentially.
	It's like these conversations.
	If Desiree's not, it's not your turn, Desiree.
	Let's say, let us finish our conversation with her, Desiree.
	So, anyway.
	By the way, that's 10, Desiree.
	That's 10.
	But anyway, so I was just curious, if we could follow up, does this guy have any intention of paying you back?
	I don't know.
	He's in prison.
	Oh.
	Before he went, did he have any intention of paying you back?
	Apparently, he was trying to.
	Well, his girlfriend was.
	Oh.
	But I don't care anymore.
	It wasn't about the money.
	I just genuinely loved him, and I would have done that for anybody that I loved if they were in that situation.
	It's just the disrespect and the lying.
	And obviously, giving my money to another woman, it's not about the money.
	No, got it.
	No, I think anybody would feel like they were made to be a fool if you were giving them cash and they were, you know, had like a secret double life, right?
	Yeah.
	Were we gonna ask you when you left about your dating?
	To what?
	About your dating?
	Weren't we gonna ask you a question?
	I don't remember.
	Oh, it was.
	I think he was gonna read the notes about her and then just start the conversation.
	Okay, well, do you wanna talk about it?
	Oh, well, I had like.
	Tell us the money.
	Sorry.
	I had like, so I thought last time I was on, I was intending to talk with Andrew, but he happened to not be there on vacation or something.
	So I was actually wanting to.
	I had a host disagreement about abortion.
	Okay, you can ask him about it.
	Okay, yeah.
	I mean, I could just lay down my argument, which is, so I don't believe that.
	So life is, in my opinion, does not start at conception.
	Life sperm is alive.
	Eggs are alive.
	You need life to create life, except you know, when the world started, but anyways, so my thing is viability.
	I think you should be it should be legal as long as as long as the baby is needs to be in the stomach to survive, because I believe that's an attachment of you.
	Anything that you do to your body, if you drink coffee, if you smoke, that is going to affect the thing that's growing inside of you.
	And you cannot have your own, if you're pregnant, you have to really watch, like you could have an abortion from an herbal tea.
	Like, there are herbs that will induce an abortion.
	And so, to say that that's murder, to me, is not correct.
	And then, I also have a point about IVF, and I don't think that the second.
	If you don't mind, can we stick to one point at a time?
	So, can I ask a couple clarifying questions if you don't mind?
	I don't mind.
	Okay, great.
	So, the first question I have is: you said as long as the baby's in the stomach, then it's not murder, is that correct?
	Viable.
	So, as long as it cannot be delivered and stay alive.
	Okay, I gotcha.
	And so, your ultimate dispute is life, you say that life begins outside of conception.
	What about human life?
	When does that begin?
	So, human life, I think when you're born, you're considered legally a human being.
	It's a human embryo.
	I think that's, or a human, you could say.
	Well, I mean, that can't be true, right?
	Because otherwise, you wouldn't say that the woman has to keep the baby in her stomach for as long as it's viable.
	I don't care about the semantic.
	Hang on, my turn.
	You're making the affirmative claim that this is a human life.
	It must be if it's viable, right?
	Oh, well, sorry, there's a car.
	What?
	Okay, so what does viable mean?
	That's a human, right?
	Viable means it's able to survive outside of the womb, so it can be a business.
	And it's a human?
	Is that a human being?
	It's the, yeah, it's the human species, yeah.
	Okay, yeah, it's a human being.
	So, when does it become a human being?
	When it's born, I think that's a good thing.
	That doesn't make any sense.
	Hang on, you understand that makes no sense.
	If you say that it's viable in the womb and it's a human being, it can't also only be a human being when it's born.
	No, it's of the human species.
	I'm saying you have the right to, you have bodily autonomy, and you don't have to, you have to, okay, just give me a sec.
	You have to specifically not kill it.
	You have to specifically not kill it because if you are just going about your daily life, you could be pregnant and you don't know it, and you drink alcohol, and then you're responsible.
	If that's murder, if you're responsible for your DNA, that you had sex and you're pregnant, you have an egg that's fertilized, you have to.
	You gotta reel it in because you're all over the place.
	You're super all over the place.
	So, let's start with this.
	I don't understand.
	Okay.
	The idea that, okay, you could be pregnant and not even know, but nobody would call that murder, right?
	Murder is the unjustified taking of a life.
	In that particular case, if you have no knowledge that your action is going to take life, nobody would ever call that murder.
	It would be slaughtered.
	Nobody would ever call that murder.
	Like, if for instance, if I let me finish point, please.
	So for instance, if I was on top of a building and I was working, I was a construction worker, and I had my hammer next to me and I kicked the hammer off the roof, and then it fell down, hit somebody in the head, and it killed them.
	I obviously didn't know they were underneath the hammer when I kicked the hammer off the roof.
	So since that is true, I would not get charged with murder because that would not be murder, right?
	That would not be considered murder.
	It would be considered that's a person that died, and I don't think that if you don't take care of yourself and your baby dies in your stomach from not taking care of yourself, I think you have to extend that logic if you're going to say that it's a life and that abortion is murder.
	I think you have to extend that.
	Maybe you do, but I still don't actually understand your position because you said that it's only a human life when it's born.
	I did not say that.
	Okay, so when is it a human life?
	It's always a human.
	It's a human.
	So I don't value.
	I don't.
	If it's infringing, it's always a human life.
	It's of the human species.
	It's okay.
	Got it.
	It's always a human life.
	So then, if that's true, then when I say life begins at conception, I'm correct, right?
	No, I wouldn't agree.
	It's life before that.
	It's life before that.
	The things that create the fertilizer.
	The human life is far well.
	It's not a life before that.
	It is the two parts.
	How would it say human life before that?
	So the two parts converge, the sperm and the egg that contain the DNA of a human.
	Yeah, that's what makes it a human.
	So human life begins at conception.
	The value part is the human part, right?
	I don't value the not human part, just like I don't value, for instance, fish.
	I don't care about fish, right?
	If you go out with an Uzi to a pond and you just waste a million fish with your, I don't give a shit, right?
	I have no value for it whatsoever, but it's still a fish, right?
	It's still a fish's life.
	So we're talking about human life.
	Human life begins at conception.
	Do you disagree or agree with that?
	I disagree.
	Okay, so what makes it a human life?
	It's a human life because it contains human DNA.
	It's made of human DNA.
	So sperm and eggs, which is what a baby is made of, which everyone's made of human DNA, that's human, that's the materials, the sexual materials to create life.
	And you can't.
	If somebody took a machete and cut off your arm, your arm would definitely have human DNA.
	Would it be alive?
	Yeah, you can not know.
	No, it wouldn't.
	So just having human DNA has nothing to do with it being alive.
	Sperm and eggs are alive.
	That's a fact.
	Alive in what sense?
	They are living, just like cell, like, just like bacteria.
	I mean, bacteria isn't considered alive in the sky.
	It wouldn't be alive if it was cut off of you.
	Wouldn't an army be alive by that same criteria?
	It moves on its own.
	Sperm moves on its own.
	So eggs contain life.
	Arms can move on their own when they're cut off of you.
	Yes, they absolutely are.
	I'm not talking about arms.
	What's that?
	I'm not talking about arms.
	We're talking about.
	No, you're not talking about arms.
	I'm testing your logic.
	I'm trying to explain to you this concept, right?
	That all these things that you keep on claiming make this life, I'm claiming are present in something you claim is not alive.
	That's not a what's it?
	So I'm trying to figure out how it's actually alive.
	Yeah, so I'll tell you the difference.
	Okay.
	The difference is actually an arm, you could say, is just as much of a person as a fertilized egg because it's human.
	It's not yet.
	It's not DNA.
	It has not yet exactly.
	Well, yes.
	And so does an arm.
	I mean, if that's your comparison.
	So it's actually a good comparison that you made in a sense.
	I don't actually even understand your position.
	I'm trying to.
	So what makes a person alive?
	What makes a person alive?
	Let's start with that.
	What makes life?
	What is that?
	So when you're alive, heartbeat is one thing, but I would say for person- You can be alive with no heart.
	You can be alive.
	Things can be alive, but they can be non-human or non-or I can draw a distinction where personhood begins.
	Well, I mean, scientifically, it's anything that's carbon derivative, biological matter.
	Yeah, I'm trying, hang on, just one step at a time.
	Let me try to at least understand what the position is, because I'm still super confused as to what your position even is.
	So as we kind of back up here, let's start with what does alive mean?
	What does that mean?
	So alive means moving on its own and basically moving on its own and being chemically made, having a genetic, yeah, and having a genetic code that you're made of.
	Okay, so being alive, the criteria is going to be moving on your own and having some kind of genetic material that you're made of.
	I would go by the scientific definition, which I don't have memorized, but you could pull it up.
	I would agree with the scientific definition if you want to pull it up.
	But not except for the part that disagrees with what I believe, which is...
	So you wouldn't accept the part that disagrees with what you believe?
	You would just accept the part that agrees with what you believe?
	The part that's specific to abortion, I don't agree with.
	Yeah, doesn't the scientific definition define human life as beginning at conception?
	You asked living, so I would say the scientific definition of life, I agree with.
	Yeah, well, I don't know what that is.
	Do you want me to pull that?
	I just gave some examples of what I believe life is in essence.
	And if you want a full thing, you can look up what the scientific definition is.
	That's what I'll accept.
	That's what I'll use.
	So have you guys agreed that you're not going to be able to do a philosophical question?
	Okay, so hang on.
	So what if the scientific definition says that human life begins at conception?
	I would even say it begins before that is the latest reason.
	Hang on, can I let her answer, Desiree?
	So what if science says human life begins at conception?
	I don't agree with that part.
	I'm saying life in general, there's a scientific definition, which includes things like moving on your own, respiration.
	You know, when you go down to like the very small microscopic levels, you have things that are moving on their own, eating things.
	They have genetic code.
	So those are some of the things.
	But it is a philosophical question.
	If you want me to define life.
	Well, the only reason I'm asking you to kind of give me some sense of it so I know what you're even talking about.
	Yeah, I just gave you a question.
	So what we're quibbling over here is human life, right?
	That's what we're actually talking about, is what does human life begin?
	I mean, you agree with me that a human being requires DNA from mother and dad in order to become a human, right?
	Yeah, so if that's the case, then it would require the sperm and the egg to be fused before it's humanized.
	Can I add something?
	Hang on.
	No, you can't.
	Can you just let us finish?
	So if that's the case, right, then it would require an egg and a sperm for it to be human life by your own criteria.
	A fertilized embryo is an egg and a sperm combined, and they are both living separate of that.
	Or you could say that.
	I'm talking about human life.
	I just said, don't you think that the criteria for human life would require the DNA of both a mother and a father?
	You said yes.
	So if that's the case, then it would require the sperm and the egg together in order to create human life, correct?
	Yeah, to have a person, yes.
	Yeah, so then life begins at conception.
	Human life begins at conception.
	I don't believe that it's fully baked because I consider a human life to be something that is autonomous.
	I don't understand.
	What criteria is it missing?
	We're about, if we continue, we're probably going to lose our entire panel.
	We're going to lose our entire panel.
	We are going to lose our panel.
	Was it you who wanted to talk about abortion in the first hour of this conversation?
	I didn't choose that.
	I had to step up.
	I don't know how that came up.
	I don't control the conversation.
	But I have no idea how it.
	What's going on back there?
	Can we figure this out, please?
	I can add some of the latest scientific data.
	That's what I was trying to interject of what science is coming out with.
	Usually the mainstream is a decade behind what the science finds.
	Hello, producer.
	What do you want?
	What's going on back there?
	Here, why don't you explain it on camera?
	Can you come explain it on camera?
	No, just go to your, that's not the right way.
	That's not the right way.
	Do you want me to sit down?
	Hmm?
	Yeah, you can sit.
	I just can't stay.
	I have to go.
	My friends just called.
	About what?
	They just want me back at the apartment.
	Our roommates just start coming back.
	And I didn't know how long this was going to be.
	Yeah, we told you.
	Yeah, I'm sorry.
	But I do have to go.
	Is it because of the nature of the conversation?
	No, no.
	Yeah.
	I didn't realize that they had called.
	My phone was over there.
	So I went to go check in.
	What's the reason for the leave?
	They just told me that, like, it wasn't worth my time.
	It's not worth your time.
	Well, like, I didn't know it was seven hours and I have homework and stuff because I have class in the morning.
	At Santa Barbara City College.
	Yes.
	That's a prestigious Santa Barbara.
	Thank you.
	It's not.
	Okay.
	Peace out.
	Bye.
	Rage.
	Do we, is that a rage quit?
	I don't know if it's a rage quit, if it's a coward quit quit.
	It's a feminist quit for sure.
	It's definitely a feminist quit.
	She's valuing her education over.
	How did we get to a bunch of not me?
	The question was asked if there are any disagreements with the host.
	I did not ask that.
	Well, no, no, no.
	You said something about a disagreement with the surprise.
	You said you want to bring up my notes.
	So that's.
	It is a good topic, though.
	I can take it in a scientific direction with the nucleotides.
	I feel like what happened there was her friends told her not to do it.
	Morgan, can you just take her seat?
	I think that's part of it.
	That's okay.
	Social pressures.
	Females are extremely social creatures.
	Much more than men.
	I mean, it's stressful.
	We're very influenced by social harsh conversations.
	Yeah.
	All right.
	Desiree, let's address the elephant in the room.
	How do you address the essay on a happily married man and show up like nothing happened?
	Has any apology been issued?
	Can you address it?
	By the way, on the Discord, discord.gg/slash whatever, I'll just post the BTS of her two friends who rage quit earlier or did an abandonment, and then we'll also post, I guess, that one too, I guess.
	So, yeah, we'll post our Discord, discord.gg slash whatever.
	I'll allow us to come back to this conversation later on, but typically we like to kind of edge into things a little bit before let's talk about abortion.
	You know, I know it's not your fault, but I'm fairly confident.
	I'm fairly confident the panel abandonment is when you invite on an 18-year-old liberal girl and you start talking about abortion, it's not going to go very well.
	So, also, we need to check on Anissa too.
	I don't know what's going on.
	Did you want to be surprised as well?
	She's been up for a while.
	Okay, so Hillary Epstein, Elephant in the Room.
	Do you want to address that?
	I thought we had kind of cleared the room on the spot that show.
	Remember, I conceded that I did do that, and I felt like I apologized and checked in with you guys to see if you were having any lingering post-traumatic stress symptoms from my ass.
	So, I am sorry.
	I'm very sorry for all of the psychological damages.
	I can offer you a referral to some help for your damages if you need.
	I'm not sure what else I can do, but a public apology and acknowledging that I did essay these two poor men on one of the episodes.
	All right, Nick, you can pull up that super chat, please.
	Why don't y'all ever have a southern man on the podcast?
	All we get is Cali liberals.
	Y'all must be scared of a real southern man's input.
	Why is there never anyone from my side of the country?
	This is all bullshit.
	Y'all never have a real God-loving Southerner on the cast.
	Well, true, tell you what, man.
	Why don't you develop a YouTube channel and you can engage in debates for half a year?
	And then, when you're competent, actually having any sort of online presence, we can talk about you coming on, but I don't invite Anons on the show.
	So, yeah, man, sorry.
	Dylan Joe, where's Maddie?
	I'm scared.
	Also, when dating, what do we think of smoking?
	Although we know it's bad for our health, you gotta admit it looks cool, it's blank.
	If you can pull it off, no offense, Drew, hail to the king.
	Maddie's out of town for this week.
	She'll be back.
	She'll be back next week.
	And also, when dating, what was it?
	What did he say?
	Yeah.
	So, True, yeah, man.
	Start a YouTube channel, start uploading videos, do some debates.
	And six months, 12 months down the line, we'll take another look at it.
	If you have the chops, we'll bring you on the show.
	I've given way too many random dudes shots who came on the show and contributed nothing or detracted from it.
	Come on the show.
	They're not prepared to argue with some of these talking points from the other side.
	They don't benefit me in any way.
	In fact, a lot of them blame me for their poor performance.
	They blame me for their poor performance, and they're choking because they expect me to give them the layup.
	So I've had dudes who asked to be on the show.
	I give them a chance.
	They expect me to hand-hold them to the like W fucking own dunk moment.
	It never happens.
	And then they talk shit about me after the show because I didn't hand-hold them and give them the easy layup that they were looking for.
	So don't do it anymore.
	Don't do it anymore.
	It is what it is.
	So you prefer to work in a female-centric environment?
	What do you mean?
	I got Andrew right here.
	That's true.
	And Andrew is like 25 guy armor.
	Andrew's a fucking legend.
	He is a fucking legend.
	He is a fucking legend.
	That's a good point.
	Good point.
	It's like in elementary school.
	Remember, the boys would say, me and this guy versus all you girls.
	It was like a guy.
	Remember, they always won motorsports, dude.
	They did.
	They did.
	I happened to be a true southern man.
	Oh, you didn't use your little special grid.
	You didn't use your special little room thing.
	Let's do some reacts, Nick.
	Let's try to get through the reacts while you're still here.
	Can you pull up the first one?
	Thank you, Gridwan.
	Good to see you in the chat, man.
	Appreciate it.
	Okay.
	Yeah, we can do this one first.
	So actually, before we play the clip, I'll have you tab over to the other one.
	So before I play this clip, guys, it popped up in my feed.
	That's fine.
	It's the New York Post article.
	So this woman, actually, we reacted to her before.
	This is the same woman.
	So she went on six dates a week.
	She didn't have to buy groceries for two years.
	So she's just matching with dudes on Tinder or whatever, dating apps, so that she could just eat for free in New York City.
	This woman's in New York City.
	When they say women are bad with money, but you used to go on six dates a week to avoid paying for groceries.
	Scroll down a bit, Nick.
	There's a few interesting things in the article here.
	Let's see.
	Forget Dine and Dash, former Wall Street trader, dined to save cash, went viral 2021, bragged that she went on six dates a week to avoid paying for groceries.
	Between 2016 to 2018, I didn't buy groceries once, probably saved about $150 a week.
	And there's some more there.
	So let's go back.
	If you're able to tab back over to the video, we'll react to it here real quickly.
	Okay, you can go ahead and play it.
	You want a traditional wife, then be a traditional man.
	You cannot ask for stay-at-home wifey privileges.
	If you don't have stay-at-home wifey money, you want me to clean the kitchen?
	I'm happy to clean the kitchen.
	If I get to wake up at 10, I get to clean the kitchen, I get to go lounge by the pool, and then you come home at night.
	Like, sure, no problem.
	But if I'm waking up at the crack of dawn with you, we're both going to our two very demanding jobs and then coming home, don't ask me for anything you're not willing to do.
	If you want a tradition.
	Is that it?
	I don't think she's actually really wrong.
	Like, I don't think she said anything wrong, but like, bear in mind, this woman used men for dates for a two-year period so that she didn't have to buy groceries.
	So, I mean, nothing about her prior conduct would indicate to me that she's a traditional woman.
	So, she's making the claim here that she's a traditional woman, sort of, kind of, or at least she's talking about that.
	So, I guess your guys' reaction to this clip going wrong.
	I mean, it sounds like how a lot of women have had to adapt to the wave of feminism and the economy stuff that's kind of pushed us into the workforce.
	And so, I think what a lot of us are trying to communicate is we could switch.
	We could go one way or the other.
	Because I think for the most part, women are starting to value emotional connection and like the sexual or romantic relationship, you could say, with men more than money because so many of us are getting used to having to bring financial resources to the table.
	So, I would say a lot of women, I would put myself in this category where I could switch.
	If I really was with a man who could afford the whole family and household thing, and it worked for me to stay home and not be earning, then I could be fine with that and respect the position.
	But if I chose a man who needed me to make money, I could also do that.
	And I don't know.
	I just feel like that's kind of the modern, a lot of us are kind of like that.
	Like, we're not saying we don't like to be home or we're not willing, but most men these days couldn't afford our full life with kids and all the whole thing.
	So that's just kind of.
	Yeah, it's something.
	Like, I think that if you're not a traditional woman, you don't want a traditional man.
	Like, I would never stay home if my man provides me everything.
	Because if one day he's like, that's right.
	You got to shut up.
	You got to let people finish talking.
	Go ahead.
	No, I'm just saying that if one day he wakes up and he says, okay, I'm done, you're like, you're alone and you don't have anything.
	I would rather be able to provide everything to my family or whatever and can decide.
	Because if you're not financiable, how do you say, like, stable, you can make a lot of choices.
	You have to stay at his.
	It makes you more vulnerable to get stuck in a sort of a toxic dynamic if it goes that way.
	Or even if your man passes away or something, God forbid.
	And I don't think that it's bad if you decide to stay home and you having some sort of job skills is a like it depends your way to decide to cut in.
	But Brian, check your messages from me here in a second here.
	Yeah.
	Nick, I think you gotta boost the audio back up.
	May I add something?
	Or were you voting?
	Okay.
	I think the first part of her video was a little bit misguided.
	Or did you, Andrew, did you?
	She has a little bit of the wrong idea of what a stay-at-home wife, in reality, in the majority of stay-at-home moms and what they do.
	10 a.m., that would be nice.
	And especially if you have kids.
	But she didn't mention kids, so stay-at-home wife.
	But the first part of her video, a little bit misguided.
	I do believe that marriage is, or not marriage, I should say, but you have to be willing to be fluid, male, female, whatever, mostly as female, if you're going to be a stay-at-home wife, especially if you do have a job as well.
	You have to be able to balance all of that and be the balance.
	Relationships like that are like balance.
	If your man is the provider, you also, he takes care of your exterior, you take care of his interior.
	You know what I mean?
	You have to bring that balance.
	Or if your life you're building together requires that you both work, then fit into that role.
	You need to be able to be versatile.
	And it seems to me like because women have had to become so fluid, those of us who have children, whether we wanted the children or not, we end up with the children.
	And obviously, we're all trying to do our best to raise the children that we have.
	So this fluidity of the gender role with women, I think what I'm noticing is the men are having a little bit of a hard time catching up because there's so many of us that are just kind of like could do it all and they're still used to either a traditional woman or a progressive woman.
	And I think they're kind of having a hard time deciding for themselves almost what type do I want.
	Or you know what I mean?
	Because I think they have fears with both types.
	You hear the argument that the one side they're afraid of the gold digger women who just want to like live off them.
	But then on the other side, they're afraid of like the modern progressive woman who could just leave them at the drop of a hat.
	So it's kind of like.
	So I need to allow the rest of the panelists to answer this here, but just going back to you really quick, did you said even if a man could fully provide for you, you'd still want to work?
	Is that correct?
	So like you married, let's say you want to get married.
	Yeah.
	Let's say you married a guy who's making millions of dollars a year.
	Yeah.
	Still work?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	I don't know which work.
	Like maybe I'm not putting myself into like 12 hours a day work, but I would definitely still work.
	Okay.
	What if he well, what if he wanted you to stay at home?
	I would say no.
	Do you want kids?
	Yeah.
	How many kids?
	Four.
	You want four kids?
	Yeah.
	Wouldn't that be a job?
	Yeah, but I think that you can figure it out in two.
	Like, if I work and you work, we organize things.
	It's not.
	So would you want him to pay for, he could certainly afford it, but would you want him to pay for daycare?
	Like a nanny, have somebody take care of the kids while you went out and worked.
	I would pay for that.
	You said you're you're studying well you went to in Italy Yeah.
	You got a degree in mechanical engineering.
	I mean, so once you finish with, are you going to go get a PhD or what's your plan?
	I would like to do it.
	And then once you enter the workforce, how much money do you think you'll be making?
	I don't know.
	I hope a lot because I'm studying a lot to earn a lot and to be, like, I don't really, like, I've dated to, like, poor guys.
	And the thing is that I want to be, like, able to date whoever I want because I connect with them and not, like, be in, like, a stress situation for the money.
	So like I want to earn my money and organize the family with someone that it's not only about like the money, you know?
	And who works.
	I mean I would stay with someone that stays at home and I work.
	So if you could pick between a guy who makes, let's say, 50,000 US dollars a year, which means you're gonna have to work two and you you are gonna have four kids also, or someone who makes a million dollars a year and you'll never have to work, which do you pick?
	I would pick the one that I want to stay with.
	Like, if I need someone, you gotta pick one.
	Yeah, but you can say like, in this way if, because it's very like a mine thing.
	But all things aside, all things equal, I think, is what you're saying.
	Like you're equally, all the same for the two, yeah, they're both good men.
	Yeah, one of them you're gonna have to work and the other.
	I think that I would choose the one where I have to work because I have my financial like freedom, so like, but you guys are married right, I don't care, that's not a point.
	Like a lot of people get separated, get divorced, get whatever.
	I grew up in a family where my parents were divorced.
	The thing is that if you're married or not, it doesn't, it doesn't matter.
	Like you, obviously you're, you stay with your, your wife or your husband, but it can end whenever whenever, I mean I don't know if that's like kind of European vision.
	But I don't intend to live in Italy like what's your I?
	You want to stay here or you want to.
	I would like to stay here, but I don't know if I'm gonna stay here all my life or I'm gonna change it or go.
	Let's say that.
	But I mean, in this situation you do get divorced from a guy who makes millions of dollars, your financial stability stability is potentially arguably, going to be better than your financial stability should you marry somebody who makes less than you.
	So let's say, you go on to make a hundred fifty thousand dollars, but I don't want to ask money to the other person.
	Like if, if our relationship ends or whatever, I don't want to ask money to the other end.
	Okay, that's fair.
	Technotrooper donated two hundred dollars.
	Panel, what are the top professions you feel most drawn to in a partner when considering someone to marry or date?
	What about those careers?
	Makes them especially appealing to you, Techno trooper?
	We'll come right back to that in just a moment, but I'll pull that one back up.
	Okay, techno.
	So, okay.
	Reaction to the clip that we saw?
	Oh, um.
	Uh, I kind of started thinking about like other things, like listening to her.
	But, like, money-wise, I mean, money is like a benefit for sure.
	I hope to make enough as well to be financially independent to where I don't.
	Well, the reiteration, just real quick, right?
	Just the reiteration of the clip is if a man wants to have a woman who's going to be traditional and stay at home, then he needs to be in a position where she can do that by being a provider who can provide enough to enable her to do that.
	I mean, I think that I think you can be a traditional man without being there yet, like financially.
	Like, you can have traditional values and expectations.
	So, yeah, that's what I would say.
	I mean, I kind of disagree, but I also think like traditional women probably want traditional men.
	Okay.
	Your thoughts on the video?
	I mean, I agree with her.
	I grew up in a traditional household, so my mom's a stay-at-home mom.
	My dad has provided since they were like 14 years old, so that's what I want too.
	But I also don't expect a guy that I meet to be fully there yet.
	You know, I'm still young, and this is a different generation.
	So, if that's just not possible, I would be willing to work, but I would like to be a stay-at-home mom.
	Your reaction to the video?
	Well, I feel like if you're a traditional man, then you should be actively looking for a traditional woman.
	I think men have expectations, then they expect you to change with them.
	Me personally, I prefer, I would like a house husband.
	That's the partner I want to look for.
	What is that?
	What is a house husband?
	The roles have switched.
	So, you make the money, he stays at home, takes care of the kids, basically.
	Basically, take care of the kids, take care of the home, and do the cooking and cleaning.
	Because I'd rather be like, I don't want to stay at home and do that.
	Like, I tried the traditional way.
	I was not happy whatsoever.
	I love science.
	I'd rather be in a lab doing research, and I want to just find a partner who's willing to stay home and take care of my home.
	Can you help me out with something real quick?
	You said that you love science.
	I'm also a big fan of science.
	Can you just tell me real quick what the scientific process is?
	Like the scientific method?
	Yeah.
	So, let's see.
	Oh, they tested me on this too.
	I guess ask a question, create a hypothesis, conduct an experiment, see if it's null or whatsoever, and then it has to be repeatable.
	The results have to be repeatable.
	It has to be repeatable and testable.
	So, well, close enough.
	So, you want a house husband?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	And was this part of the conflict with you and your eight-year relationship, the sperm donor guy or whatever that you said?
	Actually, he was the one staying at home, taking care of everything.
	Oh, you had what you wanted.
	It was just toxic, remember?
	They couldn't even watch TV together.
	Come on.
	That's true.
	Okay.
	House husband.
	So it was the right setup wrong guy.
	Kind of.
	Oh, right now I'm not working.
	I'm a full-time student/slash motherfucker.
	Okay.
	So.
	Oh, okay.
	You live with like parents?
	No, I have my own spot.
	Oh, okay.
	But you're not working?
	Well, I have family counselors.
	Okay.
	But he pays child support.
	Or no, he doesn't pay child support.
	The sperm donor.
	No.
	Would he be upset if he heard you call him a sperm donor?
	I'm calling that all the time.
	No.
	To his face?
	Yes.
	Like you're dropping off the kids.
	You fucking sperm donor.
	I mean, when we get angry, yes, I call him that.
	But yes.
	I've told it to his face before.
	I mean, I said a lot of meat things, so I feel tonight.
	Yeah.
	Damn.
	All right.
	Your reaction to the.
	I gave my response to what I'm sorry.
	Sorry, my bad.
	I did have a response to what she said about how something about how men are afraid to something about men having fear about what their woman wants or something.
	Well, I think maybe they're having a hard time with the fluidity that women have found as far as being with a progressive woman versus a traditional woman.
	So I don't agree with that, and here's why.
	Women have asked, literally, through feminism to take on the roles men already have.
	Women were in the traditional role, you know, for eons, and just up until the last, what, 50, 60 years, they have wanted to take on more masculine roles, like having a job outside the home.
	And so I don't feel like men have a fear of that at all.
	They're sitting back and looking like saying that, okay, here's what we're giving you rights.
	We're giving you all these extra things.
	Well, I just think that women in general gave a finish.
	So in that respect, women have literally asked to take on these extra things, and men are sitting on the woman.
	Well, not every woman.
	Let me finish.
	So in that regard, we're taking on these roles by choice.
	We're taking on these extra things by choice, and men are sitting back and saying, okay, you wanted this.
	Let's see you work.
	Let's see you.
	Let's see.
	Well, I think the real problem is that I have to stop interrupting, honestly.
	Sorry, I'm autistic.
	I'm done.
	The way that I see it is that just because feminism posed itself as what every woman wanted, that's not the case.
	There were tons of women who were perfectly happy, me being one of them, perfectly happy with like the traditional whole life role of like getting married, having kids, raising the kids, being the same.
	I wanted that.
	I've never been talking about it.
	You absolutely hated it.
	You write all about it in your book.
	No, I only hate it.
	You want to have a hated lifestyle.
	You wanted to work in the worst way.
	You were totally oppressed by the patriarchy.
	You wrote an entire fucking book outlining this.
	It's because I was simply married, like in your case, right position, but wrong man.
	Like very, very wrong man.
	And so I had a very bad experience with it.
	I'm not going to punish women against this exact type of relationship and tell them that it's probably bad for them in the future.
	No, it's not like intersexual hooker, basically, right?
	Like that's what you advise them to do.
	I think you've misunderstood because you gave such a brief look through my book and just made your judgment.
	But what I was really expressing is that what I was really expressing was that I was never taught how to pick a healthy relationship.
	Therefore, when I got into the role that I believed I wanted, it felt completely wrong because I was with the completely wrong guy.
	That was more what I was getting at.
	And so part of my journey back to a more traditional Mindset involved me going through the stent of feminism.
	Like, okay, let me see what these girls are talking about with this, that, all this craziness, freedom, liberation.
	All the way to come back around to my next book will be like my journey back to a more traditional female or tradition.
	Wait, there's no tradition here.
	What do you mean?
	You're an OnlyFan sex worker.
	You're not by no means have you circled back with traditional roles.
	I'm a stay-at-home homeschool mom of three kids.
	That's as traditional as I can be right now.
	I don't have a husband.
	Okay, so what does traditional mean?
	Does that just mean a man goes and works while you stay the fuck home?
	Is that all you think traditional is?
	Or is there a set of values with that?
	I think it means prioritizing home economics and raising children if you have them.
	So then it doesn't mean shit.
	So all it means is a woman stays home and she watches the kids and the man goes out and works.
	That's all you think traditional is?
	No, I believe it's the general submission of the woman and the general leadership and dominance of the man, if there was one.
	In my case, I don't have one.
	So that part of the tradition is not in that.
	Every non-traditional relationship on planet Earth can have all women submitting to men, all of them.
	And it would still be as far from traditional as you can imagine.
	They could do something like, I don't know, all the women go out and work and the man stays home and the woman still submits to him, right?
	Like all of the criteria that you just laid out for traditional, it just sounds like gobbledygook to me.
	Like there has to be some value set that we're looking for that we're leaning towards for why we're doing that.
	I'm speaking from, I'm not speaking from like a capitalistic domestic business partnership.
	I'm talking about like an agape love, like soul connection with another human where you're both in it to win it with each other.
	A ride or die.
	Like so basically we can switch in and out of roles depending on the season we're each going through.
	So for example, if I just, if, well, maybe, maybe it's not then.
	Maybe it's a blend.
	Maybe it's a more complete.
	It literally just sounds like modernism to me.
	Like traditionalism, the idea of traditionalism is historically a thing, an experiment which worked.
	And so you're moving back towards whatever this thing was that worked because it's better than whatever the current thing is.
	Well, because we've evolved, Andrew.
	So we no longer live in a social construct that's going to support traditional traditionalism, if you want to call it that.
	Of course we can do it.
	It's not going to work anymore.
	It won't work anymore.
	We've simply evolved to me.
	Not only that, people are desperate to get back to some sense of what you call traditionalism by your own admission, including you.
	So the thing is, is like, no, I don't think we've evolved past shit.
	And not only that, you know, just give my take, the woman in the video is just a typical kind of selfish woman.
	So her idea here, it all starts with this false supposition of the word fair.
	This entire worldview revolves around this idea of fairness.
	Life's not fair.
	Relationships aren't fair.
	Marriages aren't fair.
	When you're talking about equally yoked, that means something completely different than who does the dishes on Thursday.
	That has nothing to do with any of that.
	What you're looking at inside of one of these relationships could not be the idea of fair.
	It should be the idea of what works best for your family and what's always going to happen.
	So fluidity.
	You need to be fluid for the family.
	We finished Desiree.
	It's okay, Desiree.
	Let me finish real quick.
	What works best for your family dynamic?
	And so the traditionalists are saying what works best for society and the family dynamic is to have women stay at home to raise the kids, not in laboratories.
	And the reason they don't want women in laboratories is because then they have to outsource the child care.
	So I want the smartest women at home raising the next generation of smart kids, right?
	That's what I want.
	So that's what I'm doing.
	That's going to make a lot more sense than wasting their potential and breeding years on having them in a job that a man can do.
	So the idea here is that the traditionalist movement is saying modernity is screwed up with our priority set because women have become extremely self-centered around this idea of fair when in fact there is nothing fair.
	We don't have to sign up for a draft, for instance.
	That's not fair.
	Women are not the people who have to defend you while you sleep.
	That's not fair.
	All sorts of things which aren't fair, but yet for some reason men are able to deal with it and women don't seem to be able to deal with it.
	Are you done?
	So a couple things.
	First of all, I was enlisted to go into the U.S. military, but I got pregnant and I had to sign a military discharge.
	So I was fine as a woman going into the military.
	Just a caveat.
	But I will say that it sounds to me like by your definition, I am actually a traditional woman because I have made many sacrifices to figure out a way to still be a stay-at-home mom and a homeschool mom at that of my three kids and not work outside the home.
	I figured out a home business that I could do that made enough money with me only working a few hours a week.
	And by the way, that's not making new content because I have tons and tons of content from when the kids used to go to their dads every weekend.
	So they were never around any of that.
	It's no different than how you made your online courses.
	Now it's there and all you have to do is promotions basically.
	Same for me.
	So judge it all you want.
	That was what worked for me.
	That was like the supply and demand.
	I tried to do like the online coaching thing, writing books, the whole thing, and nobody was going for it.
	I don't think that what we mean when we say traditional lifestyle is your mom stays home because she can also engage in prostitution.
	I don't think that that is traditional.
	I don't think by anybody's metric that would ever be considered traditional, Desiree, ever.
	And so the thing is, I'm not even trying to beat you up about it.
	I'm just telling you, like, how would that ever fit a metric for traditional?
	We want the best and brightest to stay at home and take care of their kids instead of being in a lab, not hookers, right?
	That's not what we're after.
	Like, maybe the hookers should outsource the child care.
	So could you tell me a better way that I could make, let's say, $6,000 a month and only work a couple hours a week because I have to full-time take care of three kids?
	I would do instead.
	Yeah, well, of course, there's tons of other better ways that you could have got your time to be able to do that.
	I mean, I'm curious.
	Hang on, stop, Desiree.
	Let me answer your question.
	So the first supposition here is that you must make $6,000 a week.
	Why must you?
	Because that's how much my cost of living is.
	Oh, okay.
	So you can't downgrade?
	There's no way.
	I live in Southern California.
	I live in Southern California.
	My rent alone is $2,700.
	Wait, wait, I just want to make sure I got this right.
	Southern California costs $24,000 a month to live in, huh?
	No, $24,000.
	I said, you said $6,000 a week.
	No, it's a month, a month.
	I mean, a month.
	$6,000 a month in Southern California working an entry-level job, Desiree.
	But then who's going to watch the kids?
	Who's going to homeschool my kids?
	Yep.
	In that case, because you're a single mom, you're going to have to outsource that.
	There's no choice there.
	But why?
	But I don't want to.
	I would rather have a bad reputation with guys like you and raise my own kids.
	I don't give a shit what you think.
	Many, many men have grace and understanding for my choices because they understand.
	That's my point.
	You're making my point for me, right?
	Which is, okay, so what you say is, look, I'm actually just prostituting myself for the kids, right?
	Because I want to be able to stay at home with the kids.
	Yet I would counter and say, okay, but the integrity is absolutely compromised.
	Your children are never going to thank you later.
	They're never going to be like, you know, mom.
	My kids are not raised in a puritanical, like sex-negative type of culture.
	They're going to get to the age of sexuality.
	This is a totally different generation, Andrew.
	They're not sexually repressed like your generation is.
	They're creating a lot of people.
	Oh, the women in the 70s were so sexually repressed.
	Tell me another fucking bullshit lie.
	They weren't sexually repressed at all.
	Boomers weren't sexually repressed.
	That's all nonsense.
	Overly sexualized generation, in fact.
	The thing is, is that this is the first generation, the Zoomers, where we see pushback towards this type of sexualization for once, finally.
	And if you think that your kids won't hit the age of reason and go, you know, mom, I think that there might have been a lot of people.
	They're there.
	They're going through two of the two older ones are going through puberty.
	So they're kind of at that questioning everything.
	And this is the same thing.
	No, they're not at it yet.
	But when they're in their 20s, you're going to have some splits.
	I believe that my relationship with my children is strong enough such that even if they had looked back and had an issue with what I was doing, I don't think it would be any bigger of an issue than any person who comes of age and starts judging what their parent did.
	I don't think it will be.
	In fact, I can say for sure, it's not going to be worse than my evaluation of my parents.
	I'll tell you that.
	So at least I'm like doing a little bit better.
	All choices, not all choices when you fuck something up are optimal choices.
	So for instance, if you are in a marriage and you choose to end the marriage, because like you said in your book, you're not feeling like fucking like you're an amazing queen or whatever.
	So the marriage is.
	Because I was under CPS order basically to leave my marriage or I would get my kids taken away as an accomplice.
	Anyway, so whatever the circumstances are, you end up with a divorce.
	Okay, so when you end up with a divorce, now you're in an immediate unoptimal situation, which is, okay, now we either have to split custody or one of us has full custody.
	You have a whole battle that you have to do around that.
	So now you don't have optimal choices at this point.
	Okay.
	But there's still better choices to be had, I think, than posting up pictures of you with jizz on your face.
	I think that there's better decisions which could be made than that, honestly, Desiree.
	And the thing is, is like, fine, you can say, no, you know, Andrew, but what this has done is it's allowed me to have enough money to do A, B, C, and D.
	But that's all shit for you.
	You just love the fucking attention.
	You're not doing this shit because of your kids.
	You do it because you love the fucking attention.
	You just love it.
	It's your favorite.
	And I think that you should just stop coping and be honest about it.
	May I add something?
	May I add something?
	Go ahead.
	So some other options.
	My kids are 19 going on 20 and 16 going on 17.
	Back when they were young, both of them, I was lucky enough and we were able to provide for the households that I could be a stay-at-home mom for a few years while they were little.
	During that time, I didn't work.
	During that time, I found other pursuits that were maintaining of my self-respect and my dignity and this respect of my family members and friends.
	I started a business and ran that business from home where I was a seamstress.
	I made clothes.
	I made prawn dresses for underprivileged females in high school.
	And I did, you know, alterations, fully made clothes.
	That was a fully sustainable business for me.
	And it provided extra income for the family, not for myself, but for my family, and helping raising my kids.
	And that is something that I feel is an alternative.
	Use your skill.
	And unfortunately, I okay.
	So, in the second time, when my son was born and he was until the age of two, I was able to sit down and put words on paper, and I have yet to put that into actual publishing.
	So, I have a book waiting to be put out.
	So, there's that on the table.
	And right now, even though I'm working full-time, I'm not a stay-at-home mom, I'm looking into starting another business and doing organic skincare, stuff like that.
	So, those are all the respectable things.
	So, I actually had career, I had side hustles doing all that.
	That's one of the top professions.
	I think you feel most drawn to in a partner when considering someone to marry or date.
	What about those careers makes them especially appealing to you?
	Is that a repeat?
	What?
	Is that a repeat?
	It was from before.
	We didn't answer it.
	I told them we'd come back to it.
	So, what are the top professions you feel most drawn to in a partner when considering someone to date or marry?
	Go ahead.
	Mine would be entrepreneurship and specifically in social media, like social media marketing, basically, social media presence.
	What about you?
	I think psychology is a great skill that I would value a lot.
	So, like a therapist or anything that has a psychology degree.
	You sure about that one?
	Oh, what?
	Okay.
	All right.
	Well, I mean, I mean, money is good too, but you want to date a therapist so you can tell them all your problems.
	Well, hopefully, I'm like.
	So, you can get like free therapy, basically.
	Hopefully, well, I just think they're like more emotionally in tuned.
	Are they?
	Well, they should be.
	Why is that?
	Because if you're a therapist, I think you should have more skills than the average person.
	Desiree, aren't you a therapist?
	Yeah, and it's an odd thing because, to be honest with you, we get very almost calloused because we hear so many crazy things.
	So, in a lot of ways, we start to almost lack empathy because we hear it over and over the most horrific things.
	So, that's why a lot of people think I'm literally like a narcissist or a psychopath or something.
	Desiree, just one correction.
	So, I know she's sitting right next to you, but like the way the camera angles work, just talk straight, straight, keep your head straight into the mic.
	Go ahead.
	Yeah, so it's not what people would think when you are in a clinical setting or in any sort of setting where people are coming and telling you like their deepest traumas or confessing to you things that they have done, especially after 10, 15, 20 years of that, as I did in church counseling and all this stuff.
	And now, even in doing OnlyFans, a lot of my chats are people.
	I'm sorry, I have to interrupt you.
	Psychology is a soft science.
	What a great use of four years to get a degree to be a receptionist.
	Desiree, on one hand, like you don't need to quip every single time.
	Like, sometimes you can just not equip.
	Like, you're just throwing, like, you're you have to add on after everything, every time somebody says something.
	You don't got to do that.
	Okay.
	Because this show will go way too long.
	If I have to go to her, then you have to say a statement.
	I go to her, you do a little quip.
	I go to her, you got to make a statement about it.
	I go to Morgan, you make a statement.
	Just keep it pertinent.
	Okay.
	You don't got to, like, you've been talking for 30 minutes.
	You've talked more than she has, and it's her thing.
	Okay.
	Just like let people talk.
	It's just my autism.
	So when I'm passionate about it.
	That's cope.
	People who are autistic don't have to like constantly be like, let me be the center of attention and add on to what everybody else is saying.
	Well, it's just a lot of fun.
	Well, what it does is it triggers, it triggers my autism.
	So if you can keep your autism under control so that I can keep my autism under control, that would be fantastic.
	It also triggers my autism.
	I told her to do that.
	It triggers everybody's autism when you're being autistic, so if you could just dial it out.
	My autism is going out of control right now.
	Okay.
	So, okay, you want to date a therapist?
	Cool.
	What about you?
	Just don't be homeless.
	Well, okay, so the question is: what are the top professions you feel most drawn to in a partner?
	Drawn to.
	I haven't thought about that.
	Are there any professions where you're like, oh, that would be kind of attractive?
	Like, if they're a doctor or a lawyer or something like that?
	I think a therapist and a doctor I'd consider attractive.
	I never thought about that.
	So a therapist just.
	I dated a homeless guy.
	I never thought about that.
	Okay.
	All right.
	What about you?
	Profession?
	I don't think I have any.
	Like, I would date someone that he likes.
	I don't know.
	Like, I don't feel, I don't.
	Okay, so here.
	Let me make this easy.
	So you're saying if I present to you two men who are about the same, treat you well, whatever, one of them's a doctor, and the other works at McDonald's, you're not going to have even a little preference towards the doctor?
	Yeah, yeah, yeah, I do.
	But I don't have like one specific job.
	I mean, you.
	I did it with a guy that was a kind surf extractor, so like.
	Morgan, anything for you?
	Football player?
	Yeah, pro-athlete.
	Proathlete, there you go.
	Okay.
	NFL or NBA, or would we.
	Any, I don't know.
	NFL, maybe.
	NFL?
	Okay, all right.
	What about you?
	I would either choose like a chef or a physicist, preferably quantum physics or a scientist, really.
	Specific?
	Cool, cool.
	Anything for you?
	Given your example, I would obviously choose the doctor in your example given.
	But overall, I really don't give any thought.
	I would consider the McDonald's worker or the, you know.
	I'd never really considered that in the equation of considering a partner.
	What about you?
	Maybe like a lawyer.
	Lawyer.
	Okay.
	What kind of lawyer?
	Maritime?
	I'm not sure.
	It could be any.
	Any lawyer.
	Okay.
	And then we had Hillary Epstein.
	Psychology is a soft science.
	What a grace use of four years to get a degree to be a receptionist.
	That's from Hilary Epstein.
	Thank you, Hilary Epstein.
	Appreciate that.
	Let's do some more Reacts.
	Let's move it along.
	If you can pull it up, Austin.
	Yep.
	What do you want to react to?
	Well, just whichever one's already up.
	It should already be up.
	Is it F11?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	This is Jade.
	Wait, can you zoom it out a bit?
	It's like super zoomed.
	Okay.
	Oh, wait.
	Zoom it out more.
	Now, you might be wondering why I pulled this up.
	I noticed you cropped out a guy there who's like blasted in tats.
	He's my bodyguard.
	Wait, you have a bodyguard?
	Kind of.
	He's like my family members.
	Oh, okay, related.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	He's like, I thought it was like maybe a boyfriend or something like blasted.
	No.
	Oh, he's gay.
	Yeah.
	Okay, cool.
	All right.
	Let's do the next one, Austin, if you can get the next one going.
	Okay, this is your TikTok.
	So we're going to react to some of the TikTok.
	So can you mouse wheel soul, make it a little bigger?
	Yeah.
	Or it's, yeah.
	A little bigger?
	Too big?
	Yeah, that's good.
	So this first one, I just want to know what it is about me.
	This is your, I guess, most viral one.
	We're not going to play it, don't worry.
	I just want to know what it is about me that makes guys reject me while other girls my age have had multiple boyfriends in talking stages.
	So you're 24.
	Yeah.
	But I mean, you did have a boyfriend.
	The homeless guy.
	He would see me like twice a month, so I don't know if I'd consider it a boyfriend, but he was my boyfriend.
	And so, kind of that video went viral.
	Yeah.
	But I'm sure you got like a lot of DMs from guys, right?
	No, not really.
	Not really?
	No.
	No?
	Okay.
	A bunch of girls.
	A bunch of girls.
	What did they say?
	Yeah.
	Supportive things.
	Some lesbian women.
	Oh, some girls were like interested in you.
	Yeah.
	Can you pull it back up real quick, Austin?
	Mute the audio.
	Should I play it?
	No, no.
	So do you know how to mute the?
	There's a button at the top of the keyboard.
	Oh, right, right.
	Ooh, okay.
	Just there's a sleep.
	Hold on, just be very careful.
	There's a sleep button at the top of the keyboard.
	Make sure you don't press that one.
	Okay.
	Okay, click, click it.
	Okay.
	Oh, at this point, it's hopeless.
	We're not going to, no, no, we're not going to play the audio.
	X out of it.
	Just X out.
	Okay, at this point.
	So it's hopeless?
	When did you post this?
	I think back in June.
	Okay, a couple months ago.
	Yeah, June and July.
	So you struggle with dating?
	Yeah, but I think I kind of know the reason why, and it's not the theories in the comments.
	I think it has to do with my detransition.
	Like, I technically grew up my teenage years the way a boy would.
	So I don't know anything.
	I never experienced being a teenage girl, you know, how to navigate boys.
	And I'm experiencing that now.
	Like, I never dated.
	I just had the one boyfriend.
	And I only get men in a friendship context.
	Like, I don't know what's socially acceptable romantically.
	So, but, you know, I take it personally, and that's why in the video I'm comparing myself to the women around me.
	You know, they get approached, they talk about having rosters, and I just don't get it.
	But I think it has to do with my detransition.
	Aren't you on?
	Oh, we also have your dating app profile too.
	You're on your, how long have you been on the dating app for?
	Two years.
	Two years.
	And then you also have your social media presence, so I'm assuming you're getting quite a bit of it.
	I mean, maybe you're getting some attention, right?
	Some DMs?
	I guess.
	Well, there's a differential here.
	So are you not getting the attention from the type of men that you want and that you're attracted to?
	People with anime profile pictures, not real men, you know, like.
	Or they live in different states.
	Unrealistic things like that.
	Okay.
	Pull it back up, the TikTok.
	Yeah.
	Oh, yeah, it's just, it's fun.
	One sec, guys, we're getting it in just a sec.
	Can I say something or add something?
	Just a sec.
	Scroll down a little bit.
	Okay, so the one on the far right here, women approaching men first, is a 99% success rate.
	I'm pretty sure I've said this shit.
	So why do I keep getting rejected and ghosted?
	So I'm going to tie these two TikToks, these first two together, a little bit.
	So let's explore this a little bit.
	First with the rejection, or well, going to the rejection one, how many guys have rejected you?
	I don't know a number, but I think that was more so tied to the first date that I had.
	And after that, you know, approaching guys.
	I think I'm just too bold romantically.
	Like I said, I don't understand romantic hues.
	I don't know what's socially acceptable.
	Well, so did you approach the first guy that you went on a date on with?
	Yes.
	Okay, so how did you approach him?
	Through Hinge.
	Well, okay, so you matched.
	What?
	We went on two dates.
	And this is the guy from like two years ago, right after you broke up with your two-year boy.
	So you approached him on Hinge.
	What does that mean?
	I matched with him first.
	I liked him first.
	Who sent the first message?
	I did.
	What did you say?
	I forgot.
	I complimented him and he asked me out on a date.
	Okay.
	And have you done any approaches in person?
	When going to clubs, yeah, it doesn't work out.
	How often do you go out to clubs or bars?
	Not often.
	You know, I went when I was traveling occasionally, very occasionally.
	I don't do it every weekend.
	I don't do it every month.
	It's occasional, but every time has happened.
	You should hide that, Austin.
	The Discord, or I guess it's fine.
	Sorry, repeat yourself.
	Occasionally.
	So I don't go out every weekend, not even every month, but every time it just hasn't worked out.
	Well, I need to investigate this a little bit because women will say, like, I made eye contact with him, and that's like the female version of making a move.
	So I need you to be very specific when you say, like, you're making the move or you're approaching men.
	At bars and nightclubs, are you walking up to men and saying, hi, I'm Jade.
	I guess not like saying hello, but trying to approach them.
	So what do you mean?
	What do you mean?
	Like walking up to them.
	So you are approaching them?
	In a way, yeah.
	Are you walking up and standing next to them without saying anything?
	Making eye contact.
	I like eye contact.
	So do you, okay, just be really clear with me.
	Yeah.
	Do you walk up and say something to them?
	No.
	So what do you do?
	I've been told that that's not acceptable as a woman.
	It's absolutely acceptable.
	So tell me what you exactly do.
	Haven't caught up on.
	But tell me, so okay, pull it back up the TikTok.
	Okay, women approaching men first is a 99% success rate.
	So why do I keep getting rejected and ghosted?
	Okay.
	Okay, so aside from two years ago when you sent, you matched with a guy, you sent the first like on the dating app, and you sent the first message.
	Yes.
	I mean, not really what I call putting yourself out there.
	He ghosted me after the two dates.
	Yeah.
	But that's really, I mean.
	I mean, that also has to do with me DMing guys and then they lose interest DM guys.
	Yeah, and they just ghost.
	Here, let's roleplay.
	Pretend you're sliding into my DMs.
	Go ahead.
	I don't know.
	Hey, cutie.
	Is that your go-to?
	Yeah, I guess.
	Winkyface.
	I'd be like.
	I should give her some material, Brian.
	Not your turn.
	So just, hey, cutie, that's your go-to.
	How many times have you sent that out?
	Just curious?
	I'm just at the top of my head.
	I don't know.
	Just curious.
	I'll do the roleplay, but just curious.
	Are you sending this, like, who are you sliding into the DMs of?
	Like, just random from Hinge or Hinge.
	Yeah.
	Oh, damn.
	That's extra.
	And they talk for a bit, and then they just.
	Like, so you'll would you say, I saw you on Hinge?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Okay, so the context there is: it's not like you're sliding it.
	Have you slid into the DMs of like someone famous or something?
	They've been in my DMs, but no, I don't.
	Famous guys have DM'd you?
	Yeah, but I don't like famous.
	What kind of musicians?
	Like actors.
	Can you say?
	Are you down to say?
	Did you flirt with them or have any back and forth or anything?
	That's, I don't want somebody with that type of platform.
	I mean, aren't you a content creator?
	I mean, not, you know, straight up actor.
	Famous?
	Like A-list actor?
	No, like B-D-C-something you would see on a TV show.
	Like Hallmark movie type shit?
	No, just a TV show.
	Like a good TV show or like a shitty TV show?
	Like good.
	Like this shit's going to get canceled next season.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Okay.
	Okay, so you don't want to date somebody in the entertainment industry?
	Not right now, no.
	Okay, so.
	Interesting.
	So you don't really approach men then?
	In your TikTok, you say you do, though.
	Kind of.
	Kind of.
	And you also say, like, you struggle with dating, yet these super successful, I assume attractive men have slid into your DMs, but you reject them.
	More so, it just doesn't work out.
	Like, I just.
	What do you mean you said you reject them?
	I reject them.
	Didn't you say that the guys who, these famous guys or whatever who DM you, you reject them?
	Well, there was one that was just inappropriate.
	So I'm not into that.
	I didn't like that, so I ghosted him because I'm not dirty.
	The other one, he ghosted, and I think it's just because we didn't get along.
	Like, we just weren't vibing.
	So, yeah, I see why he ghosted.
	And there was another one that ghosted.
	Same situation.
	We just weren't matching well.
	I'm going to read this really quick.
	Honestly, different make style many men would be into you.
	Imo.
	At what point do you tell them your switch is the real question?
	If early on seems like it will make them leave.
	How do you do that?
	Well, she's not trans.
	I'm not trans.
	Right?
	No.
	You're born female.
	I can give birth.
	I just got off my cycle.
	Not sure I can say that.
	Like your period?
	Yeah.
	Oh, yeah, you can talk about it if you want, I guess.
	Just got off my period.
	I'm female.
	Okay.
	Thank you for sharing.
	Any other girls want to share your current status?
	I'm like, I have like the same luck, I feel like, as you.
	I mean, maybe.
	Bro, you just smashed like two dudes in like a week ago.
	Yeah, but.
	What are you talking about?
	Well, that was like me being impulsive and not calculated and like trying to, you know, really hang him down.
	Wait, wait, wait.
	When you say calculated, what do you mean?
	Well, it was like, it was impulsive.
	I was like, I want to go do something.
	I'm feeling very confident right now.
	You were ovulating, probably.
	I might have been.
	We get so crazy.
	An ovulating female is not her normal self.
	Can we show?
	You got to show.
	I'm just saying.
	It's a thing.
	I also feel like in this day and age, I think more like, I feel like men want us to start chasing them.
	I guess because they're tired of being constantly rejected.
	I think they want a sabbatical from their traditional like hunter roles.
	I'm thinking too.
	And I think there's like these almost alpha females rising up in the culture to be like, sure, I'll hunt you.
	Because I kind of have the same problem as me.
	I'm kind of a hunter.
	No, Stop, stop, stop.
	Go ahead.
	I kind of do have the same problem too, especially the height seems a little intimidating to me.
	How tall are you?
	I'm 6'5, 6'4, 6'5.
	Wait, really?
	Yeah.
	Can you stand up real quick?
	Yeah.
	Damn.
	Get it, girl.
	Get it, girl.
	NBA.
	You need a basketball.
	Maybe you need a basketball.
	Morgan, I'll tell you.
	5'4.
	Okay, let's do that.
	Let's do that.
	Why don't you both stand up?
	Well, the real Slimshady.
	Please stand up.
	Okay, so 6'5.
	All right, there you go.
	Okay, that could be a little tough.
	But wait, didn't you?
	You want a house husband, so you're fine with the roles being switched.
	I think with the roles being switched.
	Oh, sorry.
	I'm perfectly fine with the roles being switched.
	Unfortunately, I'm still trying to work up the curve, muster up the courage to start approaching men and talking to them because you are kind of right.
	The little look and stares, we think it's our form of flirting, or at least I do.
	So have you approached a guy in the club?
	No, not the way you're describing it.
	I think I have the opposite problem.
	Is I'm so masculine when it comes to love.
	I like chasing and I like initiating and okay.
	And I guess guys just don't like that.
	And hey, I gotta ask you.
	So you said earlier, I was kind of taking notes as you were going, that you thought that some of this had to do with the detransition.
	Yeah.
	But I wanted to make sure that I got some of the numbers straight here.
	If I remember earlier in the conversation, you can correct me if I'm wrong.
	You said that you didn't actually begin the transition until you're 18, right?
	Yeah, around my 18th.
	And your birthday.
	Yeah, and you're only 24, is that correct?
	Yeah.
	Okay, and you only took hormones, right?
	Yes, no, sir.
	Okay.
	And for how long did that occur?
	About three years.
	Three years, okay.
	So from 18 to roughly 22?
	20.
	20.
	So two years.
	Two years.
	No, three.
	I was turning 21, so.
	Okay, gotcha.
	And you had just turned 18.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	I see.
	And so, why do you, but why do you think it's the detransition?
	Like, I don't even think anybody would ever know that unless you told them, right?
	No, it has nothing to do with like the health issues or like the voice.
	I think it has to do socially.
	Like, when I was detransitioning, my mom and sister were catching me up on little things like, don't do your mascara in the car.
	And I didn't have that.
	I don't understand.
	I'm basically a teenage girl right now.
	I don't understand boys.
	What?
	I don't understand.
	I mean, you remained in the gender role of a woman until you were 17 years old.
	I mean, it's not like the social cues weren't there for you to see for those 17 years, right?
	No.
	So socially, I transitioned when I was 11.
	And then I took hormones at 18.
	So socially, I was that way since I was 11.
	Okay, so you've lived as a boy since you were 11?
	Yeah.
	Okay, okay, now that makes more sense.
	Boy, you can't be a boy as a female.
	Yeah, I understand.
	I'm just using the language of the left.
	So when we're talking about the idea of the construct of gender or whatever, you lift your gender as a boy, right?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	From age 11 until age 18.
	Well, actually, until age 21, almost?
	Or 21?
	Almost 21, yeah.
	Okay.
	Gotcha.
	Okay, well, that's a whole different story.
	So was that reinforced by your parents?
	No, not at all.
	I think it was my social setting that groomed me into that.
	Your parents didn't like it?
	No.
	But, I mean, they couldn't fight me on it because they were guilted by a psychologist and socially.
	I see.
	Okay.
	So essentially, right now, you're trying to.
	So, I mean, I don't understand.
	What was when you were in high school then?
	Were you trying to have a boy experience or were you still treated like a girl in high school?
	I was treated like a boy because it was a very liberal school.
	It was an art school.
	So I didn't really hang around the girls.
	I just don't get it.
	I still don't have girlfriends.
	Well, I mean, neither do most women, so don't feel bad about that.
	Yeah.
	Margaret, can you read that on screen?
	Yeah.
	Girl in blue.
	Sorry transitioning that young.
	I have to ask, do you think you were mature enough to transition?
	Desiree, reading your book, should read traditional woman, Jen Harrison.
	Wait, did it say?
	He asked you.
	If I was mature enough.
	Yeah, do you think you were mature enough?
	No, not at all.
	I was a kid.
	You're still a kid at 18.
	You're still a kid at 17.
	No.
	I was completely neglected medically.
	I did not have dysphoria.
	I had body dysmorphia.
	I was bullied by girls about my body.
	How I looked.
	Eating disorder.
	Yeah, I had a binge eating disorder.
	Yeah.
	All right.
	Hilary Epstein, thank you.
	And then this one must have came in, but the audio was muted, I guess.
	So I'll just let it come through.
	Graffito tagged, donated $200.
	Hey, guys, here's $200 to let you know Andrew is over on his stream trying to talk to you, but apparently you've muted him.
	Yeah, audio.
	Double check that ish.
	Yeah, we're a couple hang-ups.
	The audio got muted.
	Wait, let me check that really quick.
	I'm going to have to fix that too.
	Okay.
	So let me see where we were here.
	Can you pull back up the window tab with the TikTok?
	Okay.
	Actually, just put in the, let's do window tab.
	Okay.
	So women approaching men first is a 99% success rate.
	So why do you keep king rejecting ghosts?
	But you're not approaching.
	So, okay, we've established this.
	You're not approaching.
	The first of the DMs is not approaching.
	Nah, not really.
	Not really.
	I mean, it's initiating.
	Yeah.
	It's not approaching, though.
	But you said you would try to, like, go to the club and just like be standing there, like, looking at the dude?
	I did approach a guy, actually, in Europe, but I guess he had a girlfriend.
	I don't know.
	No, I mean, he didn't tell me he did, just gave me his Instagram, acted like he was single, but he wasn't.
	Right.
	So.
	Have any of the men told you why when it comes to like the rejection and ghosting?
	No, my first date that I ever had.
	Well, I kind of have an answer to it.
	He came across as a guy that was traditional looking for a girlfriend, wanting to take me out on three dates.
	And I got the impression that that's where it was going.
	And once he slept with me, he ghosted.
	And I didn't understand why.
	For the past two years, I thought that there was something wrong with me.
	I thought that he was just on an endless search for the perfect girlfriend, but he just told me that he wasn't ready for a relationship, just out of the blue.
	Wait, let me look at the timeline here.
	So this is the guy who you dated right after the breakup of your two-year relationship.
	And you said you went on two dates with him?
	Okay.
	And then two dates, and then you hook up on the have sex on the second date.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	And then that was.
	No explanation up until now.
	Oh, wait, you're still in touch with him?
	Not in touch, but.
	Wait, but this was two years ago.
	I guess, technically.
	What do you mean, no explanation until now?
	I don't know why he just decided to reach out to me.
	He wanted something casual, and I told him that I didn't mean to give him that impression because I actually liked him.
	And honestly, I didn't get that impression.
	If that's what he wanted, I wouldn't have slept with him.
	I got the impression that he was taking me seriously, that he actually liked me, that he was a traditional man.
	So he just hit me up for something casual, and that's when I realized.
	Yeah.
	And that's when you realized that I was just used.
	He didn't communicate to me that I guess he was using me.
	I wouldn't have slept with him.
	So did you have an overt conversation about expectations originally?
	Somewhat, yeah, he came across that way.
	He was like, you know, oh, I forgot.
	Something about I can introduce you to my guy friends as my girlfriend, that like little things like that that would indicate.
	And talking about taking me on three, taking me out on three dates, making me his girlfriend.
	And he just comes off as a traditional guy on his hinge profile.
	Right.
	So.
	So of course, it's the impression I got.
	Okay.
	And so would this have been better or worse if you guys had dated for three months and then he broke up with you?
	Broke up with you?
	Which would you have preferred?
	Worse if what?
	If we dated for long?
	For longer and then he ended up dating.
	Well, I mean, so at what point?
	Like, do you think he was in the wrong for what he did?
	For not wanting to keep seeing you?
	Personally, no, not.
	I think the miscommunication is wrong.
	Like, you should have told me.
	I want something casual, not give the impression that you're taking me out on a date to get to know me because you want a girlfriend.
	So he did say that?
	Yeah, somewhat.
	Indicated on his profile, would say little things like that throughout the date.
	Wait, he said it on his profile or he said it to you?
	His profile gives off that impression, yeah.
	You know how on hand it's like.
	I need you to try to be a little more like it's been so long.
	It's like, you know, on hinge, it's like looking for long-term relationships.
	But do you see how things are starting to shift here?
	So initially you said he told you these things, but now it's he had on his dating app.
	So on a dating app, you can say, I'm looking for this.
	And he could say, I'm looking for short-term, I'm looking for long-term.
	Some people put both.
	Yeah, it said long-term.
	It said long-term.
	Yes.
	Well, does that bind him to date you in perpetuity?
	If he goes on one date with you or sleeps with you, is he bound to continue seeing you?
	No, of course not.
	I just didn't like the miscommunication because I wouldn't have gone out with someone if they were just looking for something casual.
	Well, I don't know if there's actually any sort of contradiction here in terms.
	So perhaps on his dating profile it said looking for long term, but he has no qualms with sleeping with someone early on.
	Right.
	Could there have been, is there anything that you could have done to contribute to him not wanting to see you again?
	No, personally, I enjoyed the date.
	I guess.
	Were there any sexual hang-ups that occurred or anything?
	What do you mean?
	Well, for example, if I otherwise really liked a girl and she started crying during sex, even if I was previously inclined to have a long-term relationship with her, like I would have alarm bells going off in my head, like, yeah, there's something wrong here.
	No.
	I don't feel comfortable anymore.
	So did something occur worrying after?
	No.
	I guess he just confirmed to me that it was casual the whole time and it kind of broke my heart because that's not how I saw it.
	Wait, it broke your heart?
	Well, it hurt.
	No.
	It just hurt.
	Like, I don't.
	Sure.
	I don't want to be used.
	And the fact that I had just gotten out of a relationship and, you know, that the intimacy and that was not necessarily romantic.
	It just felt bad to hear that his intentions weren't what I thought.
	Well, I don't know all the details of it.
	Perhaps you were misled.
	As for your comments about it's social taboo to like flirt or hit on a guy.
	I actually don't think it's the case at all.
	I think most men would actually invite, look, we don't want you to like come up to us and be like, wanna fuck.
	Oh, no.
	Although I suppose some men would be okay.
	I personally would find that a bit a little bit too much.
	But like you can be taking the initiative and still do so in a fairly feminine way.
	That's not going to be off-putting to a man.
	And so me personally, like if a girl like slides into my DMs and is direct in the sense that because some girls will like slide into the DMs and be like, ask me, oh, like, can I be on the show?
	But then they're like trying to actually, oh, actually, I don't want to be on the show.
	I just want to meet you or whatever.
	Like, it's just like you can just be like, hey, I'm interested.
	At least for me, I have no objections to a girl.
	I think physically I'm very bold and I might come across as that I don't want something genuine.
	You know, I guess it could come off as desperate or sexual.
	Or overly confident.
	I get a lot of times that they almost think that we're trolling them or like we're not that serious.
	Or they like you just want to hook up.
	Yeah, something like that.
	Those aren't my intentions.
	I'm just very romantic and bold and I like to initiate.
	And if I come across that way and they don't like it, I guess I don't like that I have to be sitting there hoping that he's going to kiss me, hoping that he'll hold my hand, hoping that he'll initiate something.
	I'm just not like that.
	But it could come across as wrong, and I hate it because I don't just want to sit there and hope that he doesn't.
	Well, with this guy, did you initiate the first kiss?
	I don't remember.
	I guess, yeah, I leaned in and he followed, yeah.
	The most recent, I initiated it, but yeah, and then following that, I initiated everything with both.
	Are guys just like, actually, I want to open up to the whole panel, those of you who've had some recent dating experience.
	Are guys, like, scared to make the first move?
	Yeah, yes.
	Is that?
	Yes, I believe they are, especially as a generation.
	And when I say first move, like going in for the kiss or moving things forward sexually.
	Yes.
	And maybe it's because of the whole like Me Too movement or I don't know.
	I think genderless are really starting to switch and change up, especially since sexual, you know, sexuality and gender is very fluent now.
	Right.
	Morgan, any experience on that?
	Like, guys, are they scared to go for the first kiss?
	I don't think really scared now.
	I don't.
	I'm not going to.
	I never had anything.
	No issue with that.
	Any issues?
	No, making the first move, but if I am like kind of like bold and I'm like trying to push things forward, I feel like it's not really well received.
	It's kind of like off-putting to them.
	They're like, well, could they just like, are they just not into you at all?
	That's possible.
	Well, hold on.
	These are two different things.
	Graffito tags, a lot of guys who are normally monogamous may take advantage of a girl who naively puts too much trust in him and that's sex too early.
	They'll rationalize that for once they get to be the blank.
	What is that?
	I'm going to salute, I'm assuming.
	Yes, salute.
	Shaking my head.
	Yo, graffito tag.
	Thank for the TTS.
	Really appreciate it, man.
	Thank you.
	I have no problem with initiating.
	That's what I prefer.
	I am also feminine, and I do like them to initiate, but I'm just, I'm very romantic.
	I like to be bold.
	And like you said, it's just not received well.
	Right.
	Well, so, but I mean, so you're saying you have gone in, but like, do they actually kiss you?
	Or is it like, no, no, no?
	Oh, well, I don't, no, I don't, I'm not physically initiating.
	I'm like, like, if I am like really, like, I have a tendency, I guess, to be a little too communicate.
	Like, I will kind of get obsessed with people.
	i text too much i feel like and i feel like i'm too early You have to text after one hour.
	I like when a girl simps, to be honest.
	Yeah, I'm like that.
	I'm like, I will just get really obsessed with people.
	Wait, hold on, but hold on.
	Okay, so we were talking about, like, going in for the kiss.
	No, not like that.
	Well, that's what we were talking about.
	Oh.
	Well, I thought I was just talking about I'm bold.
	Okay, how are you bold?
	Tell us how you're bold.
	Well, I was like pursuing a guy for a really long time.
	It was like the first guy I ever tried to pursue.
	I had never been in a relationship.
	Like, kept like, he was just talking to me because he probably enjoyed the attention, but he did not want anything to do with me.
	Like, he didn't want to date me.
	He was like, he was, he would be like talking to me and stuff, but like, he made it clear he didn't want to date me.
	But I just kept, well, I kept talking to him as sending him reels or whatever, and he would talk back because I was hoping.
	I got like friend zoned basically.
	So when you say you're like too much.
	Oh, well, also, on also, like, if I've, when I first meet a guy, I feel like I talk a lot and I'm kind of opinionated.
	It's probably that.
	Like, very opinionated, I feel like.
	Hold on.
	So you said that, like, you put, like, you do too much.
	Yeah, I feel like I am too passionate.
	So you said this guy friend zoned you.
	So you shot your shot?
	Yeah.
	How did you do it?
	I said, like, I DM'd him.
	He was like in my history class, and I DM'd him like pretty early on in the school year.
	I didn't know anyone.
	Okay.
	And just like, I think I. What did you say?
	I don't think I was very subtle.
	I mean, I definitely like told him straight up.
	I can't remember what I said, but it was like, I maybe said like, you're cute or something.
	Or maybe I like directly asked him to hang out.
	And what did he say?
	He said he's not like dating dating.
	And then he got a girlfriend later.
	Okay.
	Can I say something?
	I think that this is the thing with men.
	If they like you, they say yes.
	If they don't, they say no.
	Whatever the reason is, there is no reason.
	I think they try to be polite maybe about it.
	If I have to say no, I say, oh no, I'm not in this situation.
	But if I meet someone that I like, I go on a date.
	I think it's just normal.
	I don't know.
	I feel like in today's atmosphere, to answer your question, Brian, our guys just taking a step back, etc.
	In that regard, I feel like it has a lot to do with the atmosphere surrounding feminism and where it's gone over the last 50 years.
	How women are stepping up and they want, you know, like I said before, taking on more of those masculine roles.
	Men are taking a step back and women are stepping up.
	And also it has to do with the mixed signals females are giving.
	Is Andrew mute?
	Andrew, are you muted?
	Can you talk?
	No.
	Yeah, I'm good.
	Oh, okay.
	For some people are telling me you were muted, but I was earlier in the show.
	Oh, okay.
	Yeah, I'm not sure what happened there.
	Oh, so okay, going back to you, Jade.
	You said remembering the time, remembering the time I went viral for getting done so horrendously bad.
	Maybe this is.
	That was a story.
	It went viral.
	Which guy is this about?
	My ex-boyfriend.
	So.
	Oh, the homeless guy who did 2K.
	Okay, we talked about it.
	I had to delete it because of the girl's privacy, but it was a video of me catching him cheating.
	So I found her profile and I just filmed myself.
	And I think the caption was like, just found out my ex was living a double life and I have his name tatted on me.
	And it just blew up.
	You have.
	Yeah.
	Wait, hold on.
	This is new.
	You have his name tatted on you.
	Where?
	On my arm.
	You show it to the camera.
	What's the name?
	What name is that?
	Malachi.
	Hold on.
	Just to be clear.
	Just Malachi?
	Did he hang out in cornfields by chance?
	He was actually named Malachi.
	He was gay to an Amish guy, bro?
	What?
	He was actually named Malachi because of Children of the Corn because he looks like him.
	That's what I was referencing was Children of the Corn, bro.
	That's actually why he was named that.
	You should just put like a corn stalk by it.
	It's getting removed.
	I need like seven more sessions left.
	I mean, was it any solace to you that I think in the movie Malachi dies like a horrible death?
	I think he gets like ripped apart by demons in the movie.
	So, like, is that any solace to you at all?
	I mean...
	Is that an omen?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	He already is dealing with a horrible fate.
	So.
	How long were you guys dating?
	A year, did you say?
	Almost two.
	How soon, like, in, did you get his name tatted?
	At the end of the first year.
	Did he get your name?
	No, he was going to.
	It was not out of love.
	It was out of survival.
	That's why I don't have any shame.
	And also, it's going to be gone.
	I'm getting it lasered.
	But it was not out of love.
	He was abusive.
	And I felt like if I didn't do what he said, he would leave or do something terrible.
	So.
	Damn.
	Malachi.
	So that's the video that went viral.
	But it's not.
	It was on TikTok?
	Yeah.
	How many have used it again?
	About the same as this most recently.
	Austin, can you pull up back up the window tab and the TikToks?
	There's just a few more.
	Oh, you gotta hide that.
	Can't show that.
	There's scroll down a little bit.
	Scroll down if you can.
	There's another one I wanted to.
	How much?
	Yeah, stop there.
	How much aura did I lose when I bought a bouquet of sunflowers for my ex-boyfriend?
	Because I used to call him my sunflower kind of wholesome, but only to find out that he gave that bouquet to the girl he was cheating with.
	Till this day, I have never received flowers from a guy.
	Damn.
	That's the guy who.
	Yeah.
	The two-year guy.
	Yeah.
	Sunflower.
	Damn.
	She posted a picture of him with the bouquet, and she was like, oh, he's so romantic.
	Damn.
	That's nice.
	15k.
	He spent it on this chick.
	Got him a flower.
	Never received flowers to this day.
	Never?
	No.
	But come on, I'm sure, like, after a girl posts some shit like that, aren't there going to be a bunch of like simps in the DM?
	Like, oh, I'll get you flowers.
	As I said, anime PFPs or guys that live across the world.
	Do we have more Reacts?
	What's the next tab over?
	Is it tweets?
	We got tweets?
	We have a picture of my husband taking his fly home from honey.
	Oh, we'll get to the tweets later then.
	Yeah, we'll just do that one.
	Okay, ladies, what do you think about this?
	And Andrew, what do you think about this?
	So, Morgan, can you read this one?
	Or actually, Anissa, can you read what this says?
	My husband is making us fly home from our honeymoon after one day because he found out I sent my ex a simple goodbye text on the morning of our wedding.
	It was a goodbye text for goodness sake.
	Not an I will always love you text.
	Not a drop everything and meet me at the altar text.
	And just say goodbye to have closure on the unmarried part of my life.
	Please tell me my sensitive, nostalgic girlies understand your guys' reaction to that.
	Is that cool for her wedding day, whatever?
	No.
	I don't think I was.
	Sending a goodbye text.
	I think she should have taken care of that like the night she got engaged or something.
	Not like that.
	It should have been way before she even got that committed in a relationship.
	Yeah, bad timing.
	It's very distasteful.
	Unbelievable.
	Distasteful.
	Very rude.
	Okay, next thing.
	Is the bowling drove her to escape girlhood?
	Sorry, what is it?
	Bowling drove her to escape girlhood.
	It's an independent woman's form article.
	Bowling.
	Wait, what?
	Bowling drove her to sleep girlhood?
	But not Jay Martin, I mean, what's that article?
	Oh, the article for Jade?
	Yeah.
	Nah, I think.
	I mean, she kind of already explained all the detransition stuff.
	So you can X out of that one.
	What's the next one?
	We got some tweets from Jade, some spicy takes.
	Every time I hear boys will be boys, my heart shatters for the little.
	Actually, Jade, can you read that first one?
	I'll just have you read it.
	I think it goes longer than that show more.
	Every time I hear boys will be boys, my heart shatters for the little girl in me that once believed men were going to be princes when I grew up.
	Every time.
	It's a short and simple saying, too short, as if there's a deafening silence that finishes the sentence instead of a period.
	There's an unspoken discussion that should precede it, but there never is.
	It's dismissive.
	You can't argue against the phrase once it's spoken.
	I feel helpless when I hear it.
	And then, can you go back?
	Because there's more.
	Back to the business.
	Like just back.
	Yeah.
	And then scroll down.
	Yeah, most people tolerate that.
	Yeah, actually, everyone does tolerate man whores and men being promiscuous.
	So women grew up believing they would get princes?
	I did.
	did but like do you think because of my dad and how my brothers were raised Yeah.
	And I was a sheltered kid.
	So it was very shocking to me to see how boys, how they were actually like and not like my dad.
	But so you wrote that August 5th of 2024.
	Because sometimes we bring up tweets and people be like, well, it was a year ago, two years ago.
	It doesn't count, whatever.
	But like, I'm not saying this to attack you or insult you.
	But like, so you want guys to be princes.
	But like, if you're looking at the value proposition here, so you willingly were in a relationship with a guy who was abusive, you spent $15,000 on him.
	He was homeless.
	You still have his name tattooed on you.
	Yeah.
	And I'm not saying this to attack you, but like looking at all these things from a guy's perspective, it's like, how am I supposed to give a girl the princess treatment?
	She's got a tattoo of a dude who treated her like shit on her.
	Yeah.
	Like, and I'm not saying that to be mean.
	I'm just saying, like, if like I would, I can't give a girl the.
	First off, I don't do that to begin with.
	I can't give a girl the princess treatment if she has a mark on her with another man's name.
	Like, and I'm, look, I'm sure the guy was a jerk.
	I'm not trying to downplay that.
	But it's like, in order for you to receive princess treatment, like, don't you have to be a princess?
	And again, I'm not trying to insult you, but it's like looking at it from an outside perspective.
	It's like, are you a princess?
	Well, I think if you don't love me enough to wait a few months for my tattoo to disappear, then Okay, that's fine, but it's not permanent.
	And I was so young, I think that because I was so sheltered and didn't realize that's how guys were, that's why I got taken advantage of because I grew up in that environment where my dad was very respectful.
	Like, I didn't understand red flags.
	I didn't understand that guys just weren't kind and that he was taking advantage of me.
	But when you first met him, did you know he was homeless?
	Um, I'm assuming.
	Yeah, I mean, he was working as a truck driver, and that's how he lived.
	How old was he?
	27.
	And how old were you?
	I was 20.
	What initially drew you to him?
	I mean, was he really physically attractive?
	He was very charismatic and, yes, attractive.
	Blasted in tattoos?
	He had some tattoos.
	Some tattoos.
	But I don't think my value is diminished by what someone else inflicted on me.
	I mean, it's in the past.
	I'm sure we've all had people that have hurt us in some way.
	I don't think that's a reflection of how I am capable of loving you.
	Or, I mean, it was years ago.
	I'm not the same girl.
	Well, I mean, I guess my angle here is, like, I, me personally, like, not to say that people can't be redeemed and people, look, people make mistakes.
	I've made mistakes when it comes to dating.
	But it does, like, kind of call it.
	What's that?
	I don't think I need to redeem myself for being abused, essentially.
	I mean, this tattoo wasn't survival.
	More like a branding for a slave.
	If I didn't do it, what would have happened to me?
	I know my reason for that.
	Don't you have strong family, male family members?
	Yes, but it was very.
	Didn't you say you had a bodyguard too?
	Or was that a more joking?
	Did not live around me at the time.
	I did not know him at the time.
	Wait, when you say you were abused, wait, like the cheating?
	No, no.
	Or were there other things?
	Other things.
	It's called narcissistic abuse.
	So they essentially isolate you slowly over time from your social, like, come on, narcissistic abuse.
	That's what it's called.
	And they take you through such fucking money.
	They take you systematically through like a textbook process of isolating you from your family, your friends, disorienting you.
	They do love bombing.
	Then they slowly taper off their love.
	Essentially, that's why I'm weird the way I am because I was raised like that too.
	I mean, it was.
	Yeah, I'm not really sure that you have enough information here to make a diagnosis about narcissistic abuse.
	I mean, just to be like perfectly blunt, there's, I mean, we're still kind of getting through the story, right?
	But just like instantly narcissistic abuse.
	Does it always, with you, Desiree, does it always revolve around just narcissism?
	Just anytime bad thing happened to a girl, it's because the guy's a narcissist every single time.
	Or could it be that there are some women in this world who just fucking suck?
	Could that also be true?
	Yeah, I was raised by a few of them.
	Yeah.
	But I just, I guess my, I guess going back to the original point, is like this is a message that you put out on Twitter like a couple days ago.
	Or well, a month ago, about.
	Yeah.
	And, you know, you're talking about You had this expectation that men are princes, men should be princes, but it's like I mean, I didn't maybe you were like a princess before that happened or whatever, but it's just like I'm again, I'm not trying to insult you, but it's like I meet a girl and she's got a tattoo of another dude's name.
	Like, what Disney story is like the princess?
	I mean, I'm not saying I'm expecting that.
	I just isn't that what you're hearing.
	No, I'm saying that I expected previous to him that that's what I expected.
	That's how she got in the toxic relationship, because that's what she expected.
	I'm gonna say something.
	Wait, no, no, no, no, hold on.
	Okay, actually, I'll just ignore that.
	Go ahead.
	So, first of all, I think that you should expect it.
	Like, you should expect to meet someone that treats you like a princess, whatever happened to you before.
	Like, no matter.
	It doesn't matter.
	Because if you are in a relationship and you get triggered, like, they, I don't know, fuck with your head or whatever, and you don't even, like, see what you're doing, and you feel ashamed of what you did because maybe you now regret that one.
	I don't know.
	Whatever, it doesn't matter.
	Like, it happened, and you move on, and then you find your person.
	That's it.
	It's not, I don't think it's something that like she didn't behave like a princess.
	It's not that.
	I don't think it is.
	Thank you.
	Well.
	So are all women deserving of princess treatment?
	No.
	No, I think that you have to find your person and you have to find someone that treats you well like you treat him.
	Yeah, she should be treated well, but like.
	I didn't say I expected.
	I don't know what you mean about like princess.
	Like, I don't know what you mean.
	Like, the princess.
	I didn't mean to say that I expected princess treatment at all.
	I'm just, it was more so me saying, I grew up on Disney movies and my dad.
	I can't believe this is how guys are.
	I didn't say I expected that.
	They're not all like this.
	Like, I can swear to that.
	Like, I've never been in a relationship like this.
	They're not all like this.
	Wait, how long into the relationship did you, like, how far into the relationship did you get the...
	One year.
	One year.
	Did the abuse start prior to that?
	No.
	Wait, so the relationship was good for a year?
	No.
	At that point, that's when it was like survival mode.
	Wait, I'm a little confused here.
	You said the abuse didn't start until later in the relationship.
	Yeah, so like a few months.
	And at the year mark, that's when I got it.
	At that point, it was bad.
	That was the worst.
	Wait, the relationship was terrible.
	And then he, so he grabbed your arm, walked you into the tattoo shop and said, get the fucking tattoo.
	No, but he was aggressive.
	It was after an argument, and he had been telling me to get it.
	And.
	Who started the argument?
	He was always arguing with me.
	I don't argue in relationships.
	I don't yell back.
	It was more so him yelling at me and me just sitting there and taking it.
	So you said you got the tattoo for survival?
	Yeah, that was my mentality.
	He was threatening to harm you if you did not get the tattoo?
	It was more so like it had gone to the point where anything that I didn't do, it had repercussions.
	I mean, even if I was not bubbly, if I even showed a single hint of sadness, he would get aggressive.
	So at that point, it was like, anything he said, I will do.
	It was...
	Because you're constantly walking on eggshells, so you don't really know how they're going to react.
	You just know they might throw something because I'm not wearing the right dress today or anything, and you can get seriously injured.
	So it's that's the best way I can describe it: you're always in this hyper-vigilant state of like any wrong move and you're done.
	So, did he go with you to get the tattoo?
	No, I went.
	You were probably trying to get back on his good graces.
	Yeah, exactly.
	After the worst, you thought you were in love with him?
	I mean, yeah.
	You have to understand, they don't start out this way.
	They start out like love bombing, doing all the right things, saying all the right things, giving attention.
	And if she was lacking some of those red flag, you know, measures.
	Well, look, she wouldn't have to do that.
	I will be charitable and say this was her first boyfriend.
	There was some degree of naivete.
	But, I mean, the guy was homeless, right?
	When you met him.
	Yeah, well, I mean, this is not a.
	This is not.
	I mean, he was living out of his truck, yeah, but eventually when you say truck, like his pickup truck, or he had a whatever.
	He was a truck driver.
	Okay.
	I mean, he made good money, but he didn't have anywhere to stay, so.
	Did he live with you?
	No.
	Did you guys ever live together?
	No.
	Okay.
	If.
	Would he disagree with everything, like how you're characterizing all this?
	Would he disagree, or would it be like, or would he say, yeah, I was a piece of shit?
	I was abused.
	No, he actually did come back and try to win me over.
	And we talked about everything that happened.
	And he did try to redeem himself, but the second that he got aggressive, I ghosted him.
	So.
	Wait, when he tried to come back into the picture?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Huh.
	I see.
	Huh.
	Well, let's pull the tweet back up.
	Can you pull it up?
	Yeah.
	Wait.
	Men were going to be princes when I grew up.
	Every time.
	Yeah.
	All right, let's do the next tweet.
	Can you read this one?
	I was not meant to be born a woman.
	I'm a giver, not a receiver.
	I hate my entire anatomy being the receiver.
	I want the power of deciding when to have children.
	I want the power of loving like a man.
	I want the power of picking when to get married.
	I hate being a woman.
	Forced to wait and hope and dream while men decide when to love.
	They decide whether or not they want to be your boyfriend.
	Well, I sit there shit out of luck, hoping to be noticed.
	I hate being a woman.
	I was right about wanting to be a boy.
	My heart is so masculine.
	I don't know how it fits into this body.
	Pull it up one more time.
	I'm sorry, I gotta reference a couple things here.
	Okay, so just keep it pulled up, actually.
	So you're a giver, so like you like to peg guys.
	Is that what you have?
	No.
	Okay, just checking.
	You hate your anatomy, entire anatomy being the receiver.
	Yes.
	Wait, so do you have like sexual hang-ups on this front?
	No, it's not in that way at all.
	Like you don't like sex or no, no, it's not in a sexual way at all.
	It's more so relationship dynamics.
	I totally get what you're saying.
	And actually, that goes along with Carl Jung's theory of he theorized that every female body system had a male soul and vice versa.
	All right, pull it back up, please.
	All right.
	Masculine.
	You could say masculine and feminine.
	It's an energy thing.
	The reason this whole idea of a gendered soul, I think that's what drew me to that.
	Let me just read these line by line and we'll go through it.
	You want the power of deciding when to have children.
	But is it, I mean, so women hold all the power on that front.
	They give you the children.
	What's that?
	you have okay as a woman you could go out with the intention of getting a sperm donor like this lady over here You could go like on a tear, just have a bunch of one-night stands and get knocked up.
	As a man, it's a little more difficult to like, I want to have, like, you could tonight or the next month.
	I don't know, it depends on your psych or whatever the fuck.
	You could get pregnant this month if you wanted to.
	I guess.
	Like, do you think as a guy, I could be like, yo, I'm trying to like get a bitch pregnant that's going to like have the kid.
	Oh, these are the things that you're going to do.
	Like it gets a little bit.
	They'll get you pregnant.
	That was probably the next move.
	Just let her talk, please.
	So I'm a little confused here.
	Like, women have all the power when it comes to this.
	I mean, that was written emotionally.
	I was just frustrated.
	All right.
	The power of love.
	So, okay, next line.
	I want the power of loving like a man.
	What does that mean?
	Being the initiator.
	You know, when you go out on dates, it's them who decides, do I want her as my girlfriend?
	It's not you.
	Like, do I want to chase her?
	Do I want to take her out again?
	Well, this is kind of a mutual thing, right?
	Yeah.
	It can't be.
	Like, I've been on plenty of first dates where I wanted to continue seeing the girl.
	Yeah.
	And she wasn't feeling it.
	So it's not like, it's not like this weird thing where, like, as a guy, every single girl you go on a first date with, you get to make the determining factor of, she's going to be my girlfriend.
	Yeah.
	It's situational.
	Maybe it's a little lack of experience, too.
	If you just, you're, I mean, you're kind of just starting to get out there and date, and you had that one bad experience that took up a lot of time plus the healing from that.
	Okay.
	Let's pull it back up.
	It's like a five-year-old.
	Hey, I'm a woman.
	I want the power of picking women to get married.
	Forced to wait and hope and dream while men decide when to love.
	So who's forcing you to not approach guys at the club?
	I guess that goes back to me wanting the chase and being the more dominant one.
	But you, by your own admission, you don't.
	How is it not socially acceptable?
	Apparently, I don't know.
	I'm just following.
	She just hasn't been able to find mates.
	So she's just assuming that what she's doing isn't working.
	I'm just following what the woman around me is.
	Do you think if you go to a nightclub and you go up to a guy, you think if you go out to a nightclub and you go up to a guy who you think is attractive, which you admit to have never done, and you just one time.
	But not at the club.
	Hey, what's up?
	Are you single?
	Blah, blah, blah, whatever.
	You think that the lights are going to turn on and the music's going to stop.
	Everybody's going to do an about look.
	No.
	And just be like, whoa, I can't believe a woman has dared to approach a man.
	Like, do you think that's what's going to happen?
	Or do you think nobody in the club is going to even notice or give a fuck?
	No, nobody in the club is going to care.
	So explain to me how it's not socially acceptable.
	I guess that's just the impression that I've gotten from guys.
	But you said you like to, you take on a more masculine role and you like to be the initiator.
	You like to be the chaser, but you don't.
	Not the masculine thing is to say, fuck what society tells me.
	I'm going to do this shit anyways.
	So are you really masculine?
	I mean, no, but in some ways, yeah, like I am the initiator and I do like a chase.
	In fact, I'd be prepared to say that it's way more, at least now, it's actually way more risky for men to approach women than the reverse.
	If I approach some girl in Trader Joe's and I like creep her out or whatever, that's fucking gnarly.
	But if you're some chick and you go up to a dude in Trader Joe's, nobody gives a fuck.
	Yeah.
	Nobody cares.
	No, it's not the people around you.
	It's the guy that can come across as desperate.
	I think when you're really beautiful too, you almost kind of got to downplay your looks because guys aren't used to being approached and then it's a pretty woman doing it and then it's a little like at least I am very forward with guys.
	Brian knows this.
	I'm just like, if I want you, I'm going to go tell you I want you.
	But they almost like have this freeze response like deer in a headlight.
	Like they don't really know.
	And then a lot of them like miss.
	I'm still trying to give them an opportunity to like the number exchange or whatever, but I kind of am as forward as possible.
	And then they fumble it so many times.
	So then I'm like, I don't know if they could handle me.
	If they're fumbling, like, I'm just trying to get your number.
	Or I'm trying to tell you, you could have my number if you wanted.
	I like talking to you or whatever, you know.
	Nothing applies to you, though, because you're crazy.
	Like they just detect your fucking crazy scale.
	Well, I know.
	I'm on that scale.
	I'm like the hot crazy scale.
	Well, actually, guys are so desperate.
	No, you took a nosedive off of that scale.
	That scale doesn't even exist in your paradigm.
	You're in like the baba buoy, mentally ill, should be locked up in an asylum style scale.
	You're way off regular Rick or something.
	That's why I work at home, so I don't have to be out there menacing society.
	You're living in a prison of your own invention.
	Like there's a prison for your mind.
	Nobody is forcing you.
	And it sounds like you're desirous of taking on the more masculine role of being the initiator, being the chaser.
	I mean, I agree.
	But there's a contradiction here.
	On one hand, you say that, but you also said you're very, you don't approach men.
	Not at clubs.
	Or bars.
	Or in person.
	Or at Trader Joe's.
	That one time.
	No, I'm just going off of my experiences so far and the impressions that I've had received.
	Okay.
	Pull up the tweet again.
	I guess I'll get through the rest.
	They decide whether or not they want to be your boyfriend.
	Well, I sit there shit out of luck, hoping to be noticed.
	Well, so like, are women owed relationships?
	No.
	I think God decides what relationship you have in the end if you have one.
	I don't think I'm owed one.
	I would like one.
	I've always wanted something normal.
	But no, I don't think anyone is owed anything.
	We'll try to get through all these.
	I have a question.
	You just said that God decides if you have a relationship or not.
	But in that same tweet, sorry, in that same tweet, you say that men decide?
	Yeah.
	I think that's more so Like my own experiences, they have decided whether or not they wanted to be my boyfriend, whereas I had already liked them.
	Well, it follows with a patriarchal society because essentially in the hierarchy, God would have the closest connection and accountability.
	Like it would be God, man, woman, children, and then like earth and animals, right?
	So it does follow that you trusting God is actually you trusting God through a man to approach you and be like a soulmate or the right match for you.
	Exactly.
	Essentially.
	And I would agree with that.
	Yeah.
	In this societal construct.
	That's why, in a sense, I just kind of live a non-traditional life because this patriarchal society has kind of canceled me from being able to, you know, not that it would never be possible, but I have always thought of myself as damaged goods because I wasn't raised by a good dad.
	My dad raised me to be a sex worker.
	So I felt like as soon as I went that path, even though it wasn't for me, I actually rebelled and took the whole religious traditional path.
	I rebelled against my family.
	And then I was outcast from my family.
	It's always such cope from you, man, when you say that.
	Like, oh, my dad did this.
	Everyone else is always responsible for everything Desiree does except Desiree.
	Everybody's always responsible for everything you do except you, right?
	Nobody is forcing you to do sex work right now.
	You do it because you want to fucking do it.
	Well, I have this whole experience of all of my life and skeletons in my closet essentially being like national headlines.
	It led me to have to.
	Desiree.
	All orchestrated and done by Desiree.
	All of it produced by Desiree, right?
	So the thing is, is like, you, oh, I didn't want anybody to know my life story that I put in a book and then went on several podcasts to explain about incessantly.
	It's like, come on, you orchestrated all of it, right?
	You got to stop being such a victim all the time.
	I was simply saying that the state is actually recognizing my case with family trafficking, and I'm actually able to now seek restitution for the damages that were done from my family.
	So that's awesome.
	I don't know what that has to do with what I'm saying to you.
	Well, I'm just simply saying that I'm, in a sense, like ending that chapter of my life where I don't need to keep talking about how it was victimized because restitution will be made.
	I'll be set up financially.
	And then at that point, we'll see if I keep doing modeling or not because my family owes me like $15 million.
	Bro, I'm not going to, I don't think we're going to derail on that one, but let's just try to get through all the tweets and then we can.
	Yeah.
	How's it write about one?
	I don't know.
	You seem pretty feminine.
	She does.
	You're pretty feminine.
	You are very feminine.
	That's why I'm trying to encourage you.
	Like, it was a bad experience.
	Sure, you don't want to peg somebody.
	Is that it?
	You don't want to peg?
	She doesn't want to peg.
	She doesn't want to peg.
	I think.
	You seem pretty feminine.
	I've been that way since I was younger.
	And I think that's why I was driven to the whole gendered soul thing.
	Wait, can we just maybe wait until a lot of people up at the table right now?
	Maybe we just wait until.
	All right, let's do the next tweet, please.
	It's old.
	Can you read this one?
	It's always the pretty ones.
	Wait, wait, wait, wait.
	Hold on, Austin.
	Can you make it smaller so we can see this video playing while she a little bigger?
	Yeah, that's perfect.
	Okay, go ahead.
	It's always the pretty ones because we become sick of the bullying from females and males not seeing our personalities or any depth.
	We decide to destroy our appearance as much as possible so that maybe someone will love us for who we are inside.
	That's one thing I grieve after reverting back.
	I miss being a person.
	And this video, it's a video that you're reacting to.
	You got a girl here and she absolutely destroys her appearance.
	Absolutely destroyed.
	Damn, that's a big rip in the chat.
	Okay.
	Next one, I guess.
	I just thought that was interesting.
	Can you scroll it back up?
	I think too big.
	No, I think it's too big.
	One down.
	Yeah.
	You for real cannot talk to a single woman or man these days without them having five new bodies every single month.
	Is this about Vivian?
	Actually, five in total.
	And five?
	Huh?
	Wait, five.
	Five and what?
	Body count?
	Yeah.
	And two of them.
	More like last week.
	Wait, what?
	What was your body count last time?
	Three.
	Oh, okay.
	So you added.
	Sorry, three.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Pull it back out.
	She was doing some confidence stuff, though.
	Yeah, it was boosting her.
	Boosting some confidence.
	No, that wasn't confidence.
	I just wanted to ask you.
	How many do you think it's going to be?
	Like, do you have a guess?
	Like, if we're doing predictions, like, how many do you think by 19?
	I feel like I've been dissuaded.
	I feel like I'm better off doing, like, getting that from myself.
	You know?
	Masturbation?
	Yeah.
	Oh.
	Like, because I don't have to be rejected or like feel like anxious about he's going to like text me back.
	And like, it's just easier.
	So you're just going to be a celibate for the next forever?
	Well, no.
	That's not the plan.
	Like, but I wouldn't.
	I'm dissuaded from hookups because I can honestly do it myself.
	I don't really need.
	It's not really worth it.
	The sex with the guys was not better than what you could do with yourself, like pleasure-wise.
	So it's not really worth the risk emotionally, health-wise, all that.
	But like, I.
	Yeah, I'm pretty sure women have sex for more than just pure physical reasons.
	No, yeah.
	I mean, for me, it was like, it was like, yeah, I could do that on my own, but I did want the emotional connection.
	But I don't like connect with people that easily, I feel like.
	It's a big investment.
	Okay.
	Next one, I guess.
	Next tweet.
	In my opinion, wait, what?
	Oh, okay.
	Can you read this?
	The original tweet is: I don't like telling guys I'm trans until after the first date, and I do it by text or safety.
	Someone told me that's wrong, and I said, IMO, men and women should be able to press charges against shit like this.
	I agree with this tweet.
	Yes.
	I agree with this.
	I agree with this tweet.
	I think it should be disclosed before even the first date.
	Straight to jail.
	Before the first date, I think you gotta, you know.
	I always tell guys that I do OnlyFans before whatever.
	Move forward because I think that's it.
	We had a prostitute.
	Not for everybody.
	What do you think about this one?
	We had a prostitute who came on the show who slept with thousands of men.
	And she would be on dating apps and she would not disclose the fact to these men on dating apps that she was a prostitute.
	Now, look, nothing legally compelling her to do it, but I would say it's more.
	There's a more moral or ethical diseases.
	Yeah.
	But I just.
	Well, let's say, just for the sake of argument, she didn't have any diseases.
	Not sure if that's the case.
	I mean, you should say big part.
	I still think you should probably tell somebody before going on a date with them that you're a whore.
	Yeah, imagine if the guy was seen.
	Literally, I'm not saying that to be just a message.
	And if anything, just because what if he finds out not from you before?
	That would be a whole messy situation.
	It would be better just to disclose it.
	That would be super messy.
	Take it or leave it.
	Yes, very messy.
	It would be super messy.
	Next tweet, I guess.
	If a man would slap you in any context, he's sick and dangerous.
	There's no way around it.
	Unless it's a kinky consensual thing.
	Wait, so hold on.
	Any context?
	I personally would not like that.
	I just think any man that would slap a woman in any context is abusive.
	You never know.
	You might.
	If you felt safe with a man and he had like a thing to slap in their ass, that's not what she's talking about.
	Oh, okay.
	No, no.
	What about in self-defense?
	Sure, but that's not what I was thinking.
	Well, that's a context, though.
	Yeah.
	I mean, I guess if you're in a violent altercation, yeah.
	Got him.
	No, what if it's your girlfriend and she starts smacking you around the bit first?
	I mean, it's a violent altercation.
	Okay, so you're fine with it in that context.
	Yeah, I mean, if I had a son and I knew that he was being, no.
	He could hold it down, like, hold her arms.
	Yeah, yeah, whatever.
	Like, the strand is different.
	And that's a fact.
	So, like, you should not, you should not do it anyway.
	Like, you know, you're not.
	I don't understand that.
	So, like, let's say that there was a really weak guy who punched you in the face.
	Why couldn't you punch them back in the face because you were a really strong guy?
	I think it's situational.
	Like, if you know you're a big fan.
	I let her answer.
	Hang on.
	So, so to you, if a really weak guy punched you in the face if you were a man, what would be the problem with punching him back?
	I think if you know you're bigger as a man, then you can just handle her, like set her aside, or walk away.
	You should not touch a woman anyways.
	Yeah, but that doesn't make any sense.
	Again, so I'm going to ask the question: You got a strong guy and a weak guy, and the weak guy punches the strong guy in the face.
	What is the problem with the strong guy punching him back in the face?
	Nothing.
	Okay, well, then you would apply that same logic to women, right?
	Just because you're weak doesn't mean that if you punch a guy in the face, you don't get what's coming to you back, right?
	I guess I'm viewing it as a in the perspective of a mother because I want to be a mother.
	You know, when I go out on dates, I think about the mom.
	I don't know, I'm weird.
	I would not like to hear that my son was being abused, but maybe I should look at it as, you know, that's a woman.
	I don't know.
	I don't know.
	I'm kind of conflicted.
	On what I don't understand what you're conflicted on.
	In a situation.
	If a woman strikes a man.
	Yes.
	Yeah, if a woman strikes a man, why does she get like a get out of getting decked in the face card?
	I don't get that.
	I mean, I don't know.
	She shouldn't.
	Yeah, I don't know either.
	I've never really actually heard a good objection to this.
	I've heard, well, because they're not as strong as men, but it's like, okay, but that objection never comes up when weak men get beat up by strong men because they hit strong men.
	So why do women get the pass?
	Yeah.
	They shouldn't.
	They should know better.
	I will say, though, our bones and our skeletal structures are physically weaker.
	So even then, a smaller, weaker man would still have a stronger skeletal structure than a female.
	Yeah, but nobody's going to cry over a weaker man getting smacked, right?
	So that's what I'm saying because if a weaker woman punches a man, like, well, she gets what's coming back to her, right?
	Well, what I'm saying is it poses the weaker, the woman, a greater danger by being hit by the man than a man hitting another woman.
	I guess she shouldn't hit men.
	Well, yeah, I mean, in a perfect world, but we had to pick up.
	Well, what do you mean, a perfect world?
	Like, it's an imperfect world.
	I'm just saying if a woman stands up and punches a man and then gets knocked unconscious by the man, not only do I not see a problem with that, but I actually think it should happen.
	I think he should do that.
	I think his priority should be to put her on her ass, and I don't think she'll ever do it again, right?
	Like, that's the point.
	It's simple common sense.
	Keep your hands to yourself.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	And the men can get restraining orders against women.
	I have a restraining order against me from a guy who has a battery, assault and battery charge against me.
	And they let him get a restraining order against me.
	That's 38.
	But here's the thing.
	Here's the thing.
	It's so funny.
	Here's the thing.
	The thing is, it's like, look, I get that, but I don't know how that's really an objection to me saying if a woman.
	Now, I think that you should just not attack people, right?
	You should just not attack people.
	But if you are a person who just can't help yourself but attack somebody and that person defends themselves, I just can't think of a good objection other than, well, they were defending themselves.
	I don't know why the fact that they have a vagina gives them some special pass on this.
	Well, because our whole skeletal structure is weaker than a male skeletal structure.
	Our bones are more fragile.
	Well, it's like, okay, so Desiree, okay.
	I'm simply explaining that why, let me engage with this.
	Desiree, if a man went over and punched a gorilla in the face, what do you think would happen to him?
	He would probably be dead.
	Yeah, the gorilla would rip him limb from limb, right?
	Would you, if you read in the newspaper, stupid man punches gorilla in the face and gorilla then beats man to death, would you be like, what a dumb fuck?
	Or would you go and be like, my God, how could this gorilla have done such a horrific thing to this person?
	I'm not arguing with you there, Andrew.
	His bone structure.
	It's just, it's not even the same as that to a girl.
	I think you misunderstood.
	I think a gorilla knew such a thing.
	I think you misunderstood what I was saying.
	I was simply saying that is why society has kind of this double standard.
	That's all I was saying.
	I'm not saying that the woman should go assault the man.
	Yeah, yeah, right.
	But I'm not interested in kind of these greater caveats of, well, this is why society thinks X, because that's not the argument that I was making.
	I wasn't making the argument about what society thinks.
	I was making the argument for what Andrew Wilson thinks.
	What Andrew Wilson thinks is that if dumb, weak person punches really strong person and gets knocked the fuck out, that's what you get.
	It seems really simple to me.
	Just like if you attack a guy weaker than you, he pulls out gun and ends your life, that you get what you get, right?
	This is just how it works.
	You reap what you sow.
	You reap what you have.
	You don't have to worry about it, right?
	I would concede.
	You reap what you sow.
	So, yeah.
	Ladies, keep your hands to yourself.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	It just seems, that seems reasonable.
	I've never actually heard a good objection to this.
	It's just like women go, but I should be privileged enough to just punch men in the face and have them do nothing.
	It's just, it's so bizarre to me.
	Women need to understand that between men to men, talk shit, get hit.
	Like, guys deal with each other differently than women deal with each other.
	And I'm not saying that to a woman, you talk shit to a man, get hit.
	I'm not saying that.
	But men socially have different ways of dealing with each other.
	And most of that revolves around the physical in some cases or in most cases.
	But women have another way of dealing with each other that in a non-violent form.
	The fact of the matter is, if you pick a fight that you know you can't back it up physically, maybe don't pick that fight.
	Yeah, it's not, it doesn't seem like it's a wise idea.
	And honestly, I will say this: that I have had two long-term relationships.
	One was a traditional, like me as the submissive, him as the dominant.
	That relationship never got physical, no matter how toxic it was.
	Never got physical.
	I jumped to trying like a non-traditional relationship, like an open relationship with a more feminine guy who let me like run the show.
	The what?
	The toilet.
	No, no, no.
	That was just a friend.
	Can you tell us that story really quick?
	Do you want me to finish the one story than John?
	No, I'd rather just hear that.
	Okay, so that was just a friend, a consensual BDSM dynamic where I was going deeper into handling more and more intense sexual experiences.
	So what was that?
	So he had.
	In order to heal your trauma.
	Yeah, it really did.
	Because I had had those same traumas on my mom.
	I read it in your book, right?
	Yeah, yeah.
	No, I never talked about that.
	Yeah, just tell us the story.
	Okay, so his biggest fantasy, he was my daddy.
	I was his baby girl in the BDSM dynamic.
	So his biggest fantasy was that he would hold my head in the toilet while he was fucking me in the ass.
	And I let him.
	We did this whole like reenactment of the thing consensually.
	Watch!
	And we had like the safe words and the gestures and the whole thing.
	Was that the same experience or what?
	So I learned that I could take it.
	I was like, oh, I got it.
	I could do this thing, guys.
	What were you thinking?
	It was like a bucket list thing.
	I had never done that intense of an experience.
	And many, many men actually do have these more violent fantasies.
	My theory being because our creator gave us this kind of conduit to transmute all of these kind of violent tendencies.
	Please don't listen to this.
	I'm sorry for her.
	I'll pray for her.
	Anyway, so the man felt very blessed that I allowed him that experience.
	He could never find any other woman who was willing to do it.
	And just because we have free will doesn't mean you say that.
	Anyway, I liked it.
	I'm an anal girl, you guys.
	I'm like, I have a whole cult following of ass fetish guys, so it's my thing.
	Butt stuff.
	I'm your mama Sita.
	Come see how to do it.
	Ew.
	That's fucking fun.
	You don't like butt stuff.
	No butt stuff for you guys, Andrew.
	Is that a sin in your ideology?
	I've seen all of your fucking butt that I ever want to see, Desiree.
	I don't change it.
	Whether I want to see it or not, you want to make sure that I see it.
	Poor Andrew had to see my white cellulite almost 40 ass.
	Sorry, Andrew.
	It was pretty gross.
	I had underwear on.
	I did have underwear on, just to clarify.
	We have it.
	If you guys want, it's on the Discord.
	Discord.gg/slash whatever, if you want to see it.
	18 and over, guys.
	18 and over.
	You don't want to see it, though.
	We have it posted there.
	You don't.
	It's like the gates of hell.
	This went viral.
	The gates of hell.
	It opens up.
	And you have to see what it's like when this geriatric woman tries to sexually assault a happily married man.
	But you guys, it's a real ass, okay?
	I have not gotten a media.
	Brian, I got up.
	Shut up, Desiree.
	I got up and I bowled Brian over.
	I shouldered him to the side in order to get away from the devastation of hell itself opening up right In front of me.
	It was like a message.
	It was awful.
	It was like Brian later came to me.
	We had this conversation.
	Not about you, Desiree.
	It's about me now.
	So Brie and Brian had this conversation afterwards.
	And Brian was like, Andrew, why did you do that?
	And I told him.
	I told him my zombie apocalypse theory, which is I don't have to run fast.
	I just have to run faster than you.
	Right?
	So the thing is, is that I'll totally maim Brian him a way out so that the bear gets him.
	Absolutely.
	I'm that kind of friend.
	And I did do that.
	I did.
	I shouldered him to the side and I rushed away to try to get away.
	Poor Brian.
	He threw you right under the bus, Brian.
	It was very traumatic.
	Right under the bus.
	It was very traumatic.
	How are you going to help him with his trauma of his close friend, Andrew Wilson, leaving him high in driving away from him?
	I'm probably clinging to him.
	I'm like, just in case I ruined your life, I'm here.
	You ruined my life too.
	So if you're lonely, me too.
	Here I am.
	It's like that.
	Hey, Desiree, can I ask you a question about how you wrote Brian a bunch of DMs about how you're his soulmate and how great he is?
	Oh my god, Brian.
	And how you literally threw yourself at him in a desperate bid in a desk to get in his pants.
	No, no, no, hang on.
	Let me finish first before you start talking.
	You threw yourself at him in a desperate bid to get Brian Atlas's pants.
	Why did you do that?
	Honestly, I really have like a respect crush on the guy.
	He's built this whole platform that is something I aspire to.
	He's a handsome man.
	I love the beard.
	He's.
	Yeah, I mean, yeah, sure.
	He's great.
	I agree.
	I agree.
	He puts me in my place.
	Desiree, you have no fucking chance with a guy like Atlas.
	Like, what are you doing?
	Well, that's why I'm just kind of like this groupie.
	I'm kind of like, can I be like your free personal assistant?
	Can I bring you food?
	I'll see you there.
	Anything.
	Anything.
	I'm a Brian Atlas cock worshiper, I guess you could say.
	And he has an ass.
	He has an ass.
	That's rare.
	What?
	I feel like we can relate to each other because not every white person has an ass.
	It's a thing.
	I guess we do have that in God.
	We have extra soul, Brian.
	God gave us an extra measure of soul, and the black community will agree.
	What are you talking about?
	That's not an ass.
	That's a drooping pile of garbage that you tried to chase me out of.
	You'll have to subscribe.
	What are you talking about?
	You'll have to subscribe.
	I have a question.
	Most of the things that you listed and the attributes that you look up to in Brian or look towards on Brian were mostly related to the podcast.
	So are you sure you're not clout chasing?
	We could call it that.
	I do have pretty severe intimacy issues relating to men taking advantage of me.
	And so I think at this point in my life with children and everything, I'm more looking for an equal partner to collaborate in life with more than like a traditional relationship anymore.
	So if you want to put it in that category, sure, sure.
	Interesting.
	Brian, I think that the whatever podcast deserves, your chat deserves, and my chat deserves to hear it from your mouth.
	Directly from your mouth.
	I will not tolerate this slander against my pal, Brian Atlas, any longer.
	Brian, can you unequivocally say to Desiree's face, there's no fucking chance in hell ever.
	Yeah, there's no chance in hell ever.
	I would not.
	Sorry, Desiree.
	I mean, look, you sent me these walls of text.
	You got to show him.
	At least show him the soulmate sketch.
	Yeah, she also, I showed the text.
	I could find Andrew the soulmate text.
	I mean, it looks like this chick went to like a psychic sketch.
	You know, I like was so lonely when men.
	You got to show him.
	Do I have to show the soulmate?
	I'm not normally like that, but I don't know if I know him.
	I think it is weird.
	And then all of a sudden, when I come to this show, I got totally blindsided.
	I had no idea.
	I never would have met you.
	It does kind of look like random.
	I was trying to be like women's empowerment niche of the internet.
	I wasn't from the man world.
	I had no idea.
	I would, Desiree.
	That's weird.
	You're crazy.
	Do you want me to find it and DM it again?
	I mean, you guys, it's.
	Okay, okay, listen.
	The chat deserves.
	The chat deserves to see this.
	We'll see the sketch.
	We'll see the sketch, but you have to find it.
	You have to go find it.
	But stick around.
	Maybe towards the end of the show, you can reveal the sketch of Doom.
	I will show the sketch.
	Wait, are we going to get a Rachel cameo?
	What's going on?
	Oh, yes, please.
	We can get a Rachel cameo.
	Perhaps.
	Oh, Desiree.
	I thought Desiree's Eminem, truth be told.
	And then she kind of could look like Eminem within like a moment.
	I think she wants to meet Desiree in person, honestly.
	Wait, who wants money?
	All right.
	Well, okay, just send it to whatever Instagram, then I'll have Austin pull it up.
	Okay.
	I mean, come on.
	It's.
	I don't know.
	Never say never.
	I feel like I could make Brian a shitload of money.
	I feel like I could bring you just as much money as you could help me make, and I think that's what I don't know.
	It feels like we could have a mutually beneficial relationship.
	Yeah, but you see, you have to understand that good Brian over here, he's moving towards the pathway of God and not towards the pathway of the pimp.
	Isn't that interesting?
	I mean, I'm not really looking for him to be like my husband or something.
	I'm just saying like a business collaboration type thing.
	That's all.
	Okay, I'm going to read a couple chats.
	Actually, we have to have Anissa read this one.
	Go ahead.
	You have to do an Australian accent because he's in the Australian.
	Okay, I DM'd it to the.
	You got this?
	Australian.
	You got this.
	Australian.
	The next coffee today.
	You didn't shave your neck.
	Did you ever fix it?
	Look at this freaking sketch and tell me this.
	Grid one motorcycle.
	I'll pull it back to you.
	There's another TTS coming.
	Desiree, you will have better luck cork chasing this Kuma named Destiny.
	He has had a rough time lately, and I know he will just love to break you a piece off and let you chase all you want.
	I can't fucking believe that I have to sit here and defend the Coomer Gremlin destiny.
	Destiny, even fucking Destiny, would not tag.
	Even Destiny wouldn't.
	I'm telling you, Guy, even Destiny wouldn't do it.
	Even if he has a special $200, he'll have a one-night stand, ghost you, never talk to you again, just to add to your skeletons in the closet you keep mentioning.
	Maybe you can write a book on me.
	Desiree, here's how much I would not have sex with you.
	So you could have a tubal legation.
	Like the fear of me ever getting you pregnant.
	If I ever got you pregnant, the misery that would.
	My kids are so horrible.
	No, no, no.
	We would probably have a redhead.
	I'm even scared of just being within.
	My little son's missing a hand, though.
	That's cool.
	Let me finish my bit.
	Maybe.
	So if I had a vasectomy, if I had the vasectomy and you had a tubal legation, even the odds of potentially getting you pregnant and being entrapped by you.
	Entrapped?
	Like, just being tied to you for 18 years.
	The thought of that is so terrifying.
	Why would you be tired?
	It's so terrifying.
	Just there's, I wouldn't you wouldn't have to be the dad if you didn't want to.
	Okay, Desiree, have you ever seen Steve a movie written originally by Stephen King called Misery?
	Yes, good one.
	That's you, Desiree.
	And Brian is the author strapped in the bed with his legs cut off, right?
	Just desperately pleading to God Himself for the great checkout time.
	You just won't let him go.
	That is what it would be like.
	Someone's inviting me back.
	It's so weird.
	Brian, I think you're a little bit of a masochist.
	What are you doing here?
	Honestly, Desiree.
	We've never been cock worshipped before.
	I've had my cockworks.
	Have you had a slave?
	Have you ever had a slave?
	Like a sex slave?
	I've had slaves.
	The bowing.
	I've had slaves.
	Slow job with the bow.
	I asked for women that bow to me.
	Of course, I've had slaves.
	Okay.
	First off, don't listen.
	Don't make assumptions about what I do.
	Most men I come upon have never had a sex slave before, so it's very inviting.
	But I guess you've had so many because you're such a cool guy.
	You know, there's trade-offs.
	I'm not you, Desiree.
	I'm not you.
	There's trade-offs.
	Like, the thing is, I start, the older I get, the less I'm willing to put up with.
	Because, look, sex, 20, 30 minutes.
	That's all you have.
	And then it's like, I got a deal with you for the other.
	Well, then I would never be with you that way anyway.
	20, 30 minutes is not going to do it.
	That's not enough for you.
	No, no.
	Okay, we're not compatible.
	It's all good.
	Okay, well, perfect.
	But we could still potentially do business together.
	It's a marathon sex thing.
	It's like, 30 minutes, that's good.
	You don't need more than 30 minutes.
	What the fuck?
	I'm kind of a nymph.
	I guess they say.
	Is that what they call it?
	A nympho?
	I guess.
	I'm very sexual.
	I'm hyper-sexualized because of.
	Well, Andrew wouldn't want me to blame that on anything.
	I'm just hypersexual.
	You're not hypersexualized.
	You're just a fucking lunatic.
	Okay?
	Just a lunatic.
	I guess in this day and age where the libido of the average American woman is so low, I guess I would seem pretty psycho because I have this insatiable sex track.
	It doesn't have anything to do with your libido.
	Well, hey, there's women on here who are prostitutes and just tell me all about how they just love screwing everything that they see.
	Well, I don't know.
	I can even rationalize and understand that mentality better than I can.
	Your fucking like new age mixture of Christianity and crazy ass dogma that you then kind of create the psychological pinnacle of fucking nonsense in order to justify every horrific thing that you've ever done to people.
	It's just mind-boggling, too.
	Anyways, we'll move it on here.
	I'll get these chats read, then we'll get into some more topics.
	Can you, Australian accent?
	Don't good day, people.
	Just found your showmate and have consumed it flat out the last few days.
	Great concepts.
	Love it.
	Andrew, you are elite mate.
	I'm sorry for the two times Oscals you had to endure.
	Embarrassing.
	That was very good.
	It wasn't that they were Australian, though.
	That wasn't the problem.
	But I'll just leave it there.
	Also, Australia doesn't exist, according to Andrew.
	So Aussie driller Jim.
	He's a driller, and he's in Australia.
	Hey, thank you, man.
	Really appreciate the message.
	Thank you.
	Where would you say he's from, Andrew, if it's not Australia?
	Just never mind.
	Okay.
	It's like a flat world.
	Do you believe in a flat world?
	Okay, can you read this, please?
	Yo, Brian, have Mr. Producer Clenn Lawrence and Josie Lessard come on, whatever, by now?
	They're outside, and it'd be awesome to have on.
	Andrew, can you vouch for me then?
	I mean, of course, of course, but you would have to set that stuff up beforehand to go on the show, though.
	I do vouch for both those people.
	I do think that you should probably set it up beforehand.
	Yeah, I don't know if I really want to go into this.
	It's kind of like a.
	Is it Josie?
	It's Josie, isn't it?
	Yep.
	Come on.
	Is it Josie?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, I fucking knew it.
	I knew I shouldn't trust fucking Josie.
	I fucking knew.
	Tell me, Brian, what happened?
	I feel like I should get into it just for the.
	Oh, okay.
	I knew it couldn't be Glenn Lawrence, though.
	Very upstanding guy, Glenn Lawrence.
	But Josie, yeah.
	Yeah.
	I don't know.
	Yeah, anyways.
	Can you read this one, Anissa?
	Anissa, my bad.
	I mean, you could literally open a dating app and bone him the same night if you wanted to.
	I think this is for you.
	I'm not like that.
	I don't do hookups.
	Wait, but didn't you?
	Yeah.
	The date, but previously I had only been with my ex.
	And the only reason I did wasn't to hook up.
	It was because I actually liked him.
	And but now I think I would wait until I'm officially a girlfriend.
	Okay.
	Wait, questions on this.
	You said you recently, like a week ago, you went on the first date?
	Yeah.
	Did you?
	No.
	Okay.
	And then what about your first, like, two-year boyfriend?
	Like, how quick was that?
	The same day that we met.
	Like, how soon after meeting?
	Like.
	Like.
	Within how many minutes?
	I don't know.
	I don't remember.
	Was this the first guy you've ever been with?
	Yeah.
	You don't remember the time you lost your virginity?
	Well, I mean, this is kind of dark, but about a few months before him, I had been.
	Okay, I'm talking consensual sex.
	Yeah.
	So the reason that I met up with my ex was because I had been assaulted, so that was technically my virginity.
	Wait, I'm a little confused here.
	The reason you met up with your ex is because I wanted my first time to actually be my first time and not like a guy forcing himself to be aware of.
	Wait, hold on.
	Your ex?
	But your ex is the guy who you lost your virginity to.
	No, I was.
	I'm confused.
	I was forced to lose my virtues.
	By the two-year guy?
	No, by the stranger.
	A complete stranger.
	Okay.
	So after that, I sought him out because that was my first time.
	I didn't consent to it.
	So I wanted something consensual.
	I'm so confused.
	Can I say the word?
	Yeah, you got that said.
	But I'm really confused here.
	Yes.
	But so that was your first time.
	Yeah.
	Because I'm talking about consensual sex.
	Yes, yes.
	So I met.
	I'm not sure how we got there, but I was asking, you don't remember your first real time.
	Not sure why we had to go there.
	Not sure why we had to go there, but okay.
	No, I do remember.
	I thought you were saying how quickly it happened.
	I don't remember how quickly it happened.
	Well, you said it was the same day, so like...
	Yeah.
	I'm not asking for like the down to the second.
	I'm just asking like.
	Yeah, minutes.
	You know.
	I met him.
	An hour, two hours, three hours.
	Like an hour.
	Yeah.
	Where did you meet him?
	Grinder.
	Hold on.
	I'm sorry, Mir's story is all over the place.
	There's not enough, you're not, you're not giving me enough details.
	So, oh, this was into your transition, though.
	So, you were identifying as a male or a man?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Or, well, no, I mean, okay.
	So, he was on Grindr.
	So, he was gay.
	No, he was seeking out females.
	Wait, can on Grindr?
	Yeah.
	There's females on gay.
	Yeah.
	Why?
	So, how is he seeking out females on Grindr?
	Because there's females on Grindr.
	They allow it.
	That are trans or that are just pretending to be boys.
	Yeah, just straight females pretending to be boys.
	So they're trans?
	Yeah.
	This is confusing.
	Okay, so he was on Grindr looking for female.
	This guy's gay.
	I'm sorry.
	He's gay.
	I agree.
	He's probably gay.
	Yeah.
	Because he was on Grindr.
	He's probably gay.
	I mean, that's reasonable.
	Yeah.
	Conclusion.
	So you meet on Grindr.
	The...
	Did he say he was homeless?
	Wait, no, he just said he was a truck driver.
	Wait, so you met him?
	You met him on Grindr, and then did you hang out like that day that you matched?
	Yeah.
	So you, let's, let's do timeline here.
	Okay.
	Let's do timeline.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	You got to change the split though first.
	And you got to move it over one.
	Oh, my God.
	Okay.
	So you meet on Grindr.
	How soon after matching on Grindr, like do you match in the afternoon?
	It was like 8 p.m.
	And then we met up at like 3 a.m.
	And so you guys were messaging for seven hours.
	Yeah.
	Back and forth.
	And then within an hour of meeting at 3 a.m.
	You have sex.
	Carnal knowledge.
	And then was it in his truck?
	Yes.
	Was it a nice truck?
	It was a semi.
	It was his work truck.
	It was nice, actually, inside.
	Did it have LED lights?
	Yeah.
	What color?
	Red?
	Orange.
	Orange.
	That was the red flag right there.
	Orange!
	LED lights.
	I hear girls say, oh, if a guy has LED lights in his room, red flag.
	Orange, though.
	God damn it.
	Okay.
	My story.
	This is crazy.
	I can't.
	I'm amazed we didn't even.
	You should have told me that this is actually interesting.
	You match on Grindr.
	Virgin, you're a virgin.
	I know you said you got, but we don't count that.
	We won't count that.
	You're a virgin.
	Okay.
	You meet him on a gay dating app.
	This shit, you can't make this shit up.
	Okay, you meet a man on a gay dating, a homeless man on a gay dating app who's a truck driver.
	You meet him at 3 a.m., a homeless truck driver, and then you lose your virginity to him in the truck an hour after meeting him.
	This guy has the Riz of the Century, son.
	I need to get this guy on the show.
	He was very characteristic.
	He has the Riz.
	Homeless truck driver on a gay dating app.
	I couldn't stop with him in an hour.
	I couldn't talk my way into.
	I don't think I could talk my way into some pussy at 3 a.m.
	No, he wasn't.
	On a gay dating app, bro, it's hard enough.
	On a straight dating app, you can't talk your way into pussy like the same day.
	But on a gay dating app, he talked and she was a virgin.
	Bro, this guy is handsome.
	He would even seduce girls within like minutes, like customers from where he would work.
	Because he also worked at a truck stop.
	No, he worked at a ski resort later on.
	Oh, okay.
	And he admitted to seducing girls within minutes.
	Someone in my chat said, I need to get a truck.
	That's the secret.
	If you want a virgin, you got to be homeless and have a fucking truck.
	Unlocked.
	Just got to get a truck, bro.
	18-wheeler.
	What if you get like one of those nice, like, self-driving shoes?
	Honestly, it sounds like total serial killer vibes.
	Oh, I mean, like, you dodged a freaking bullet, is what I'm saying, girl.
	Did you realize the fucking RNG as a dude, like random RNG, to be on a fucking gay dating app and roll the fucking dice and get a virgin to fuck you the same day you meet him?
	He probably thought it was a gift from the girls.
	I put in weeks of work.
	This guy's homeless and has a truck, and he meets her on a gay dating app.
	He really thought he had that.
	Come over to my truck at 3 a.m.
	Where was it?
	In the 7-Eleven parking lot.
	Yeah, in front of a gas station.
	He had probably tried this same game like 80 times.
	Probably another gay guy told him to do it in a little bit.
	This is the biggest W a guy has ever taken.
	And simultaneously, the biggest L a girl has ever taken.
	I mean, it is.
	If you look at it that way, it is funny.
	It is wild.
	Oh, my God.
	She's got to go on those shows.
	Have you guys seen like the worst X ever?
	That's a show.
	You could get on one of those episodes.
	The worst X ever.
	I actually wrote that.
	This was perfect.
	He tied it all together perfectly.
	He just ruined everything.
	You know, he just ruined everything.
	Typical woman.
	This was fantastic.
	It was a great story.
	We all tied together and he just ruined it.
	Imagine telling our kids we met on a gay dating site.
	Brutal.
	Dodged a freaking bullet, girl.
	Get it, girl.
	Get it.
	Holy shit.
	And the story.
	I mean, this is a good self-defense.
	I'm writing a book.
	He's a brave and a decent man.
	He's a pioneer.
	Dude, this guy's fucking tied.
	He's a fucking publisher and an editor.
	Guys, download fucking Grindr.
	Get yourselves a little baddie D-trans virgin.
	Oh, wait, wait, get yourselves a baddie truck stop virgin, bro.
	You need the truck stop.
	That's crazy, dude.
	They're a little disoriented.
	Wait, this is all legit.
	This isn't like.
	Yes, I'm dead serious.
	This is dead serious.
	I swear to God.
	She was disoriented.
	And he pounced on her like a freaking drink.
	This is like fucking God tier, god-tier Riz, dude.
	Never shit, bruv.
	God, hide your kids.
	Hide your wives.
	Dude, this guy's probably on the gate.
	What kind of truck are you going to get, bro?
	Oh, my God.
	Was the truck?
	What kind of truck are you getting, Brian?
	I'm getting a fucking company.
	It was CR England.
	Oh, my God.
	You should call and report it.
	I'm like secondhand.
	I'm buying new.
	He's in prison.
	Buy it new.
	You got to get it new.
	Who's in prison?
	He is.
	Wait, he's in prison?
	Yes.
	For being a.
	Oh, for being a Drake.
	A Drake.
	Oh, that's a good way to.
	Okay, that's good.
	That's good.
	By the way.
	Oh, yeah.
	Kendrick Lamar, apparently, is going to be the halftime show at the Super Bowl.
	This guy's gonna call Drake a P-word six, like six times at the Super Bowl.
	That's crazy.
	That's crazy.
	We need accountability in this country, for God's sakes.
	Dude, Andrew tells me.
	Do you guys know what RNG is?
	Yeah.
	Random number generator.
	So I used to play this game called Hearthstone.
	It applies to other video games too.
	And RNG has to do with luck, right?
	So RNG, this is like a one-in-one trillion trillion RNG.
	The dude's homeless trucker who's on a gay dating app on Grinder.
	There's a lid for every pot, is the point, I think.
	The RNG on this is this guy needed to go to fucking Vegas.
	Stop, Desiree.
	This guy needed to go to fucking Vegas and put all his fucking money on black.
	I'm telling you, bro.
	The RNG.
	Oh my god, maybe his fucking sold to the devil.
	And that was his immediate reward, but it crashed and burned because she was smart and she left.
	So it was like, he was actually a very lucky person.
	Like anything that went wrong for him just worked out.
	Oh my god, that probably is.
	Oh, that's the delusional that Andrew was talking about.
	He was so delusional, he convinced God or Satan to give him what he wanted.
	And it was working for him, right?
	This is the craziest thing I've ever heard on the show.
	But now he's in prison.
	Unless he was the year of the dragon or something.
	Isn't it the year of the dragon?
	Lucky.
	Yeah.
	Wait, question.
	Was protection used?
	No.
	Again, the biggest W. Biggest W. Maybe God protected him getting pregnant with his.
	He was on Grinder.
	He's probably trying to do some gay for pay stuff on there.
	He was probably trying to find him a letter.
	Oh, wait, wait.
	Oh, my goodness.
	Hold on.
	The man you lost your virginity.
	Stop, Desiree.
	The man you lost your virginity to, while he was texting you, he was also like, I'll suck your dick for $50.
	Yeah, no, I believe that.
	Damn, bro.
	I believe that.
	But dude, this is crazy.
	Get something from him.
	Holy shit.
	Seriously.
	No, he was trying to get it.
	Wait, did he blast inside too?
	Yeah.
	Hold.
	Were you on birth control?
	No, I was on testosterone.
	The testosterone saves her.
	Oh.
	Oh, my God.
	It was good.
	He uses everything for the good.
	I don't care what anybody tries.
	Do you want to look at your period when you're on the gear?
	No, you don't.
	On the gay control.
	It's worse than birth control.
	Yeah.
	Oh, okay.
	So, like.
	That's what guys call it.
	Their testosterone.
	They call it their gear.
	Like, it's in your gym bag.
	It's just weird.
	It's got to talk.
	Wait, what is that coming out your nose, Desiree?
	What the fuck was that?
	I was, I just thought it was a Scott Rocket.
	Is that a cocaine booger?
	Oh, my God.
	Holy mold.
	Do you do cocaine in your nose?
	I've only had people do lines off of me.
	What the fuck?
	Okay.
	With what?
	If not, there's no use.
	Oh, yeah, you're right.
	Okay.
	I was thinking about because I've never done cocaine.
	I was just thinking about in the context.
	So you couldn't have got pregnant because of the testosterone.
	He tried to after I got off it.
	Yeah, that's a whole thing goes on and on and on.
	That's a lot.
	This is crazy.
	I think your life might trump mine.
	That's crazy.
	Okay.
	It gets worse.
	It really does.
	Thank you.
	I feel so much less alone now.
	I found out he was.
	Sorry, go ahead.
	Go ahead.
	No, I found out he was cheating while I was hospitalized, getting surgery.
	Surgery?
	Taunton.
	Testosterone destroyed my gallbladder, so they had to take it out.
	Yeah.
	Sorry to hear that.
	I got some gallstones.
	That's not fun.
	It's horrible.
	I know how to get them to flush out without the surgery.
	That's it.
	There were so many testosteronees.
	Yeah.
	Once you get so many, it's hard for your body to flush it out.
	But there is a protocol that you can get rid of them naturally.
	Can I ask you anything?
	Anything.
	You sure?
	Yeah.
	I'm cool.
	I've heard that when women, this happens to bodybuilders.
	Yeah.
	The clitoris gets bigger.
	Yeah, it does.
	Brian loves that.
	Oh my God, maybe this is your soulmate.
	Why?
	Why are you so making detransition?
	She's no younger.
	I am a big labia.
	Enjoying it.
	She's gullible.
	She's freaking perfect.
	Can you do it without all the makeup?
	She has sensitive skin.
	What happens is I mean, it depends on detransition.
	I'm trying to hook you guys up.
	Matchmaker.
	Matchmaker.
	I mean, you sound like for some, it doesn't get that big.
	For some, it gets really big.
	You also close up inside and it stays that way.
	TMI.
	Wait, but you're super tight.
	Wait, the pussy closes up?
	From testosterone?
	Yes.
	Wait, why is that?
	There you go, guys.
	All of you who want a virginal woman.
	The pussy gets tired of the body.
	You got to pick the Days that way.
	Transitioning ones.
	Permanently?
	Yes.
	Like, fully closed?
	Not fully, but it depends.
	I've heard stories where it's just, they physically cannot be intimate ever again.
	Like they just, it just depends on who it is and how long they've been on it.
	So like.
	It's like the guys who lose their dick from steroids, basically.
	Wait, so is it like it gets higher because like there it you develop like pussy muscle?
	Because like the testosterone.
	I honestly don't know.
	How is it?
	Your vagina is a muscle.
	That's probably what it is.
	Yeah, just maybe we could just have a genius.
	Maybe we could have sorry.
	I was excited at your scientific discussion.
	I don't know.
	Is it pussy muscle?
	It's atrophy.
	Pussy muscle grows.
	It's atrophy.
	Atrophy.
	I don't know the exact scientific reason, but it happens to be.
	This is, I did not know this.
	Pelvis.
	That scored drops or something like that.
	That's dope.
	I guess.
	I don't know.
	Anyways, Anissa, can you read this one?
	Question, should we be attracted to slutty Halloween costumes or are they just bait from the devil in disguise?
	Seems like a good indicator for body count.
	Haven't asked that.
	What are y'all going to be this year?
	Yo, Dylan, thank you, man.
	Should we be attracted to slutty Halloween costumes?
	Or are they just bait from the devil?
	We should be attracted to them, but also rebuke.
	That doesn't make sense.
	Okay.
	What are you going to be for Halloween this year going around the table super quick?
	I'm going to be a nun, a naughty nun.
	Oh, okay.
	For Rom?
	I don't know.
	You're going to be a therapy client?
	What would that look like?
	They're always wearing ropes.
	You could.
	I'm mentally ill, right?
	The slippers and the robes.
	Oh, true.
	For some reason, yeah, there you go.
	Yeah, take it dark.
	What about you?
	You should be a truck driver for a man one.
	Like, within your I'm gonna be Jade from Mortal Kombat.
	Oh, nice.
	Okay, I'll read this one really quick while it's up.
	We'll continue with Halloween.
	Seth Miller to Jade Blue Girl.
	If the current guide doesn't work out, I'll gladly take you on the date from Seth.
	Thank you, Seth.
	Appreciate the soup chat, man.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	Very good.
	Send the money.
	Send the money and they'll meet you.
	Right?
	Somebody just sent in a $10.
	Normally we don't read these, but it says how much to put your head in the toilet.
	I think, how much would we do that for?
	Like an Ethereum?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	How much to put your head in the toilet, Desiree?
	I'll wear whatever podcast.
	Oh, I'll do it for free for the promo.
	You'll do it for free?
	Yeah.
	You'll go into whatever podcast toilet right now.
	Will you guys film it?
	And show it on wherever you can, your Discord or whatever.
	You'll be underselling yourself here, a little Desiree.
	I don't have a problem with that.
	Mind you, it's not you wouldn't get the money.
	I get the money.
	Water sports, they call it or something?
	We'll do it for a.
	It has to be crypto because somebody could like try to scam.
	We'll do it.
	I don't trust that fucking crypto.
	I'm sorry.
	I'm a little old for that.
	Should we do it for a Bitcoin?
	No, that's too much.
	Nobody's going to pay for that shit.
	I just don't like all this cryptocurrency.
	Barter some fucking homemade butter and a loaf of bread and some chickens for God's sakes.
	I got kids to feed.
	I don't want fucking crypto.
	What?
	Okay.
	We'll do it for one Ethereum.
	I'll go in the.
	Actually, I don't want to film that shit.
	You don't want to film it?
	It's so fun, though.
	I mean, the fans are kinky.
	What are you talking about?
	Get that fucking broad a swirly.
	She deserves it more than any other broad who's ever been in the world.
	Do you want a wedgie?
	Are you guys going to give me a wedgie?
	Like, are you going to do it by my thong or something?
	Like, dip me in?
	Or is it like head pushed down in the toilet, fucking me in the ass type sexual vibe?
	I'm going to pretend I don't think anybody would do it.
	Is it like school room vibes?
	Is it like school bully?
	Is it like?
	Your fantasies for yourself, Desiree.
	My fantasies?
	Well, everybody knows.
	I talk about my fantasies openly.
	I have no idea.
	No idea?
	No idea.
	No idea.
	You know what you should be?
	You should be.
	Let's see.
	Actually, I should not make that kind of joke.
	I need to control my autism.
	No, no, I want to hear that now.
	See, it's hard.
	I was going to say Mussolini, but that would not be.
	Nah, that's just stereotype American that speaks about Italian.
	What's that?
	Skin of stereotype of an American that speaks about Italian, Italian linguists.
	That's all I know about Italy.
	I hate to say that.
	Is Picasso from Italy?
	No, Picasso Spanish.
	You know what you could do is a bunch of sticks tied together and then with an axe sticking out of the top.
	What would that be?
	Wait, you don't know what that is?
	No.
	The symbol for fascism?
	Oh, my God.
	He took it.
	He took it deep.
	What's that thing called anyways?
	I don't care what they say about you, Brian.
	You're a smart guy.
	He knows history.
	See, this is why I have a crush on him.
	He's not just looks.
	He's also brains.
	Fashies?
	It's called fashies.
	Oh.
	And I just have to say, why the fuck do you rate yourself so low?
	And you too, Andrew.
	The fact that you guys even have fucking jobs right now?
	No, no.
	Well, you have to understand, in our defense, the reason you think that it's a low rating.
	See, I distinctly think that you just give yourself a really high rating.
	Well, I am.
	See, I think at that high end, I am the number one.
	Let me give you a big fancy.
	You are beautiful.
	I just think that you rate yourself way higher than that.
	And you called me beautiful.
	Mic drop.
	Can I?
	Andrew.
	I now feel safe in your presence because there's some sort of redeeming quality that you see in me.
	Perhaps it's just a $5 gas station pin-up poster to put in your fucking mirage.
	But I'll take it.
	I'll take it.
	I have a classic car photo shoot coming up.
	Can you even repeat back to me what I said to you?
	Blah, You're beautiful.
	You don't even fucking know.
	That's how dancing and tarded you are.
	You don't even fucking know what I just said to you.
	But Andrew, I just grabbed at the one thing you've ever said to me.
	Yeah, you're always going to resonate with me.
	And that made me feel safe in your presence.
	Don't even try leagues above you.
	There would never be a shot in my life.
	Honestly, I am not going to be able to do that.
	I would go for you.
	No disrespect to Rachel.
	But I'm going to say this.
	Rachel, I'm not trying to steal your man.
	I'm trying to kill this one.
	I'm too good for you, Desiree.
	I am way too good for you by every metric conceivable.
	But I'm a slave, so I always look for a guy that I feel is above me because then it draws, it like it naturally drops me into the submissive role.
	And I just feel like that's a more sexy dynamic, personally.
	That's beautiful.
	I like it.
	That's great.
	Thank you, Desiree.
	So you guys are both better.
	Can we pull up the thing really quick, Austin?
	Oh, F11.
	You got to be F11 then.
	Okay, so this is what this could be your costume?
	I didn't know.
	Okay, this is so dumb.
	All right.
	What about you, Morgan?
	What's your Halloween costume going to be?
	Into the mic.
	I don't know.
	You tell me.
	You should be a soccer player.
	Oh, well.
	What about you?
	Halloween costume?
	I want to be Beetlejuice ex-wife.
	I don't know if this is like spoiler alert, but yeah.
	Oh, that she's a good one.
	What's this?
	Look at the stitches.
	Yes.
	Lara Croft.
	Okay.
	What about Anissa?
	I want to do a couple costume, maybe.
	Are you waiting until he decides what?
	I haven't, like, I don't like planning, so it's just like a couple of things.
	A couple costume.
	All right.
	And then we have Warlord 69.
	Can you read this one that's coming up?
	Brian 07, Andrew.
	God bless you.
	You are not appreciated enough, and I'm here to show it.
	Ladies, go back in time and murder baby Hitler or ban abortion.
	All right.
	Thank you, Warlord 69.
	Appreciate the message.
	That's not a bad question.
	So murder baby Hitler or ban abortion.
	Which do you pick?
	Starting with you, Desiree.
	Quick answer.
	God.
	Oh, it's hard.
	So I have found that I am from Hitler's family line.
	Holy, okay.
	Hold on.
	It's my mom's fucking side, the Germans.
	That's where I get the ass.
	It's from the Hitler.
	Wait, wait, hold on.
	No, no, no, no.
	Hold on.
	There's plenty of Germany.
	Wait, there's plenty of German women who have 90% of the time.
	Fucking country nose.
	That can't be it.
	Hold on.
	No, no, no, no, hold on.
	I went and did my DNA testing.
	Hold on, Desiree.
	You realize that when it comes to the parentage and genetics.
	So for me, it's the same choice.
	I would have been aborted.
	Can you silence yourself?
	Okay.
	So you realize that when it comes to like finding out family, like Hitler's children, it's like the most investigated thing that they've ever done on this topic.
	Can you not grab the microphone?
	I have slipped.
	You're not related.
	Listen, crazy lady.
	You're not related to Hitler.
	You're not related to Hitler.
	You realize the amount of sex workers who migrated from Germany during World War II would say otherwise.
	So.
	You do.
	Okay, so here's what.
	Oh my God.
	This is such bullshit.
	So Hitler does have like some living relatives.
	Actually, I think they even live in the United States.
	There's legitimate heirs and there's bastards.
	And you have a genetic relationship.
	I do.
	I do have the genetic relationship.
	How did you come to the determination that you're related to Hitler, you insane lady?
	Good question.
	How did you come to that realization, Desiree?
	I can't wait to hear it.
	Well, on one of the episodes I did, you guys opened it up to the fans to do DNA testing, and we had one who was very interested in my exact, exact ancestry line.
	So they actually paid who knows how much fucking money to have all this tested.
	Now, I do concede that it might be a troll.
	It might have been a troll.
	And they said that they were not.
	I want evidence.
	Desiree, I want evidence.
	You're lying through your fucking teeth.
	This never happened.
	Never happened.
	This literally never happened.
	You're lying through your teeth.
	Show me, I'll tell you what, Desiree.
	Show me a single piece of evidence that this actually happened.
	I'll send $100 to you right now.
	Will you subscribe to my OnlyFans?
	No, I want to send me the evidence.
	I already gave you the terms.
	Don't obfuscate.
	Show me that this actually happened.
	That a fan of yours linked you to Adolf Hitler.
	Go ahead.
	All right.
	I'll have to bring the document.
	I'll have to bring the document next time.
	I didn't bring the document.
	What document?
	Yeah, you didn't bring the email.
	You're not a document because it doesn't exist.
	You're lying through your teeth.
	So I have to bring the document.
	You mean they don't email it in 2024?
	Yeah, right.
	Not when they find out you're of the Hitler line.
	Oh, yeah, they mailed the teeth.
	Did they send a snail mill?
	Did they put a little post stamp on it for you, Desiree?
	They sent it to me.
	Tell me another bullshit lie, Desiree.
	They sent it to my corporate mailbox, yes.
	Uh-huh, sure they did.
	And you didn't take a single picture of it with your phone, nothing like that.
	Right?
	You take pictures of Min Jizzing on your face, but you don't take pictures of this pertinent document that relates you to one of the, you know, crazy.
	Have you heard of that?
	Have you heard of all things in his life?
	Cybersecurity.
	Cybersecurity, okay?
	I guess I have a little.
	I have a little programming from my friends in cybersecurity who tell me not to take photos of important documents, so I don't.
	Why don't you just be honest and say that you just made all of this bullshit out?
	It's all bullshit.
	It's all messy.
	I just made all of this.
	Yeah, you just made it all the fuck up.
	It's called.
	You can't help yourself.
	It's just called clickbait.
	Total attention grabbing.
	You made the whole fucking thing up.
	You don't have a shred of proof, do you?
	Not a shred.
	Not a shred.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	All right.
	We're going to go around the table.
	Stiffler.
	Ask everyone to rate their looks on a scale of one to ten.
	You can't pick seven.
	Go ahead, Desiree.
	Okay.
	Looks.
	Yeah, looks.
	And sex appeals.
	I'm going to do two.
	I'm adding sex appeals.
	No, no, how about just let's do looks.
	Okay, looks, I'm a negative a thousand billion in fifty.
	Just answer the question.
	Like, like negative.
	Yeah, it's everybody hates me.
	Why don't you just answer the question?
	One to ten.
	Oh, one to ten.
	One, then.
	If that's the lowest, you can't do zero.
	Okay.
	All right.
	She's a one.
	All right.
	What about you, Vivian?
	Like, to me, myself.
	What do you think you, like, where you fall?
	Oh, okay.
	Uh, five.
	Okay.
	Four.
	Okay.
	I'm pretty confident, so I say eight.
	Eight?
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Eight.
	Yeah, I would say like a nine.
	Not nine?
	Yeah.
	Five.
	I give myself a five, Andrew.
	I'm like a 4.5 right now, to be honest.
	I give myself.
	Well, okay, so I did say that I am better looking.
	I am more handsome than Desiree is beautiful, so I give myself a two.
	I like it.
	I like the logic.
	Good job.
	Moment of silence.
	But Andrew does this, right?
	Where's the crickets?
	Oh, yeah.
	Come on, don't you have a sound effect?
	You have to have a sound effect.
	You have every sound effect.
	Nine?
	I was going to say 9.5, but I dropped it to a 9.
	You humbled yourself.
	Look at the fucking hair, though.
	You do it fucking masterfully.
	Okay, so I would say you're a nine.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	You're welcome.
	It's fucking art.
	It's not easy to have curly hair, okay?
	I have gone through it because my daughter, my ex-husband, had Afro hair, even though he is Irish.
	He's red Irish.
	It's a hassle for you guys.
	Bro, Desiree.
	I'm just saying, if you go natural hair and you have very curly hair, you have my total respect because I've seen people struggle with it, is all I'm saying.
	Good.
	Did you have your moment?
	I was admiring your hair.
	Maybe I'm a little jealous of the fro hair because it's cool.
	The real Rachel Delta.
	I'm jealous of the hair, I guess.
	Real.
	So, what do you rate me?
	I'm just curious.
	Can you move your head, Desiree?
	You're in the frame.
	Get your head out of there.
	Get your fucking head out of the fridge.
	What do you get?
	That's what she said.
	I won't say like a seven because I'm a seven or eight because I'm a real big one.
	Can you tilt the mic down a little bit and just speak into the mic?
	Sorry, you rate me what?
	Like 7.5 or 8, but that's because I like beards.
	What if I shaved my beard?
	What would I be?
	Okay, that'll probably drop you down.
	To like a to what?
	To like a five.
	To a five.
	Five.
	9.5.
	But so like you would be, even with the beard, you'd be settling for me.
	What do you mean?
	Well, you're 9.5, right?
	And I'm just a measly seven to you, right?
	With the beard.
	So just like curious, like, do you think you'd be like settling for me or whatever?
	No, never.
	But I mean, you're a 9.5 and I'm like a 7.
	Why does it, why does like, if I think a 9.5, I'd be settling for a 7.
	Why would you think that would be settling?
	I don't look really go for looks anyway.
	They're too superficial for me.
	Well, let's say you don't care about looks at all, but would you agree that on the looks front, from an outside perspective, you would be settling?
	Since you're 9.5 and I'm just like a 7 or whatever, like an ugly 7.
	I don't think I'd be settling.
	Would you think I would be settling?
	Well, I mean, just your entire framework.
	You say you're 9.5.
	I'm a 7 over here.
	You would be settling.
	I said it 7/8.
	You can't raise it.
	You can't bump it up.
	It was a 7.
	Who knows?
	Maybe one day I decide to shave.
	Actually, speaking of, Austin, can you pull up old Brian?
	Young Brian, I guess.
	Not old Brian.
	He was so cute.
	You were so cute.
	The Instagram, F11.
	Make sure it's F11, please.
	Just scroll to the bottom of my Instagram, my personal IG, window tab.
	You had quite a transformation.
	All right.
	That's a huge transformation.
	Click on the one with the whatever tank top.
	All right, there's me without a beard.
	Like, this is from, this is over 10.
	This is 2012.
	Was this your favorite look of yourself?
	What's your favorite look of yourself?
	Like, where do you feel the sexiest?
	That's me, bro.
	Didn't you like yourself?
	Yeah, I know.
	I got.
	Don't you believe me?
	This shit sucks, dude.
	No, it doesn't.
	Why would you think?
	You have obviously biological attractiveness, but now you're like a man.
	You're more sexy now.
	You weren't sexy then.
	Dude, what are you talking about?
	But you're sexy.
	What is cute?
	But it doesn't matter.
	I'm chubby.
	We're all chubby when we go older.
	I don't fucking care.
	I have a mom mod.
	Nobody cares.
	Like, we're all aging.
	And her freaking mindset.
	Noah.
	Mute.
	Do you know how to do it?
	My ears.
	Okay.
	I'm pretty sure.
	Hang on.
	I have to say, on behalf of Noah R, he is a legend in every conceivable way.
	Absolutely.
	Noah has some of the funniest super chats I've ever heard.
	He sends them into whatever.
	He also sends them into the Crucible.
	And thank you, Noah, for that $500.
	Can we just get this chick to shut the fuck up so we can get to the rest of the panel?
	A bunch of nice ladies here.
	A bunch of nice ladies came in.
	We've been very interested in their stories, and she's done nothing but obfuscate and make everything about her true.
	Now you're muted, and you fucking deserve it, Desiree.
	Is it muted?
	Yeah.
	Number nine?
	Yeah, I think.
	By the way, Crucible crew, get over to the whatever.
	Get over here.
	W's in.
	Put W's in for Noah.
	Man, he deserves all of them.
	He's a brave and a decent man.
	He's a brave and a decent man.
	Also, also, he has a huge penis.
	Huge.
	Giant.
	Like, huge.
	Is this visually confirmed?
	Oh.
	Yes.
	He sent a woman to the hospital once how big it was.
	He told me.
	He's like, Brian, my penis is so big.
	A woman had to go to the hospital because of how big it was.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Where were we?
	Okay, going around the table.
	Oh, wait.
	We'll come back.
	The rating thing.
	I need to wait until the gals are back at the table.
	But we'll get into.
	And that's a 10-minute mute if you can just keep track of the time.
	Thank you, Noah.
	You're a good man.
	Wait, wait.
	I'm sorry.
	We have to start the 10 minutes now, though.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Of course.
	All right.
	Where were we?
	Let's get to more.
	Let's do some of the Reacts, I guess.
	Wait, no, no, no.
	We have to do.
	Here, we'll just do this.
	Do you think, bro, what do you.
	What, what?
	Is it quick?
	I have to pee.
	I'm just going to take it.
	You have to do frequent.
	No.
	You got bladders?
	I just drink a lot of caffeine.
	It's like okay.
	Right, you drink caffeine?
	Because you've been kind of mellow this entire show.
	I feel like I've been pretty.
	No, I feel like I just like I just got tired, but like I was pretty high.
	Yeah, go ahead.
	Go ahead.
	I'll wait till you're back.
	I will wait until she's back.
	All right.
	Well, Brian, is there anything else we can do for them, really?
	That's the question.
	For them?
	What do you mean?
	Yeah, is there anything else we can do for her?
	When you say anything else we can do for any of the women on the panel to accommodate their needs, Brian probably.
	It's very thoughtful.
	Thank you.
	Probably.
	All right.
	Let's see here.
	Where are we?
	Let's get back into the reactions for Jade.
	Do we have more tweets?
	Let's do the tweets.
	We got more tweets, Jade.
	Uh-oh.
	Oh, Jade bringing in Man or Bear.
	She must watch the show.
	Is the man hot?
	Which leads us.
	Oh, well, we got to wait until Vivian's.
	We'll wait for the, we'll come back to the man or bear thing.
	Next, we'll come back to it.
	I'll write that down.
	Man or bear.
	Man.
	Why do non-white girls who date white men make everything?
	Oh, zoom it out a bit so we can see what she's reacting to.
	So I'm assuming, is this an Asian woman?
	Probably.
	Or no, Indian.
	Excuse me.
	They're Asian.
	When you bring your white boyfriend to his birthday or first Indian party, this is a canon.
	First off, isn't canon spelled with one and one.
	What is a canon event, by the way?
	I kind of have a sense of what it means into the spider-verse, right?
	Is that where it's?
	I thought a canon event is like a major event in your life.
	It's a Spider-Man reference where it's a turning point, like a thing that has to happen in order for the next thing to happen.
	Okay.
	Write a passage.
	Write a passage.
	Like, for example, it's based off.
	Yeah, her reference in Spider-Man.
	Yeah.
	Pull it back up early.
	Scroll up to the top.
	Now, this is a based make it bigger.
	Why do non-white girls who date white men?
	I've noticed this a lot on TikTok.
	I agree with you, Jade.
	They always got to bring up the fact, like, they got to point out.
	It's always the liberal.
	My boyfriend's white.
	It's like, that's kind of weird to point out.
	You know?
	I prefer white men, but I just.
	Why is that always a topic?
	I wouldn't make my relationship.
	I think it's weird.
	I agree.
	I agree with your tweet.
	Yeah.
	I agree with your tweet.
	Wouldn't pointing out that he's white initially be racist anyway?
	Yeah, would he would, an example, if I had a boyfriend, it'd be kind of weird if he constantly pointed out that I was Mexican.
	You're Mexican?
	Yeah.
	Very good.
	I don't know.
	It's just kind of weird.
	You're like, were you born there?
	My parents were.
	Sweet.
	Yeah.
	My dad was born in Africa, and my mom was born in America.
	So I'm African-American.
	Oh, my God.
	Okay.
	Right?
	No.
	No?
	No.
	Does that not work?
	What the fuck?
	Were your grandparents from Africa?
	Or my grandma?
	Oh, okay.
	R.I.P. Okay.
	Oh, they're.
	Weren't there a bunch of French people there in Africa, right?
	They migrated.
	There was some francais.
	Le Francais.
	They called the whatever.
	I'm not going to get into the whole.
	Is anybody actually black in here?
	No.
	Skin color?
	So they're all white.
	Well, hang on.
	Hang on.
	Desiree.
	Desiree, your mic is muted.
	Yeah, stop talking, girl.
	Rude.
	You're talking about your mic muted.
	Show some respect to Noah.
	R. Can you put my head in the toilet?
	No respect.
	No respect.
	Next tweet.
	Next tweet.
	We'll get through them.
	We'll blast through.
	Jade's got some based.
	Let's make it bigger.
	Oh, this is scroll all the way up, scroll up.
	I'm appearing on the whatever podcast.
	Scroll down.
	I'm not concerned because I'm not a thought.
	That's valid.
	You think it wasn't too bad.
	I mean, I kind of was that was that was a brilliant exchange.
	So, so what happens is, oftentimes, women, for instance, like Desiree over here, they get made a fool of on whatever because you know they're fucking stupid.
	But occasionally, we get a bass chick who comes through who has great things to say, and we like to hear from her.
	So, here Brian is.
	You get your entire life story, right?
	Nobody's being mean to you, it's all great, et cetera, et cetera.
	Possibly, this chick may have even been a guest here and just been salty that you were coming on because you might get some attention that she would never get.
	I'm just pointing that out.
	Could be.
	I was a little toxic to Jade.
	I was like, a little toxic to Jade.
	No.
	What was the toxicity?
	I was like kind of poking.
	Jade, was he toxic?
	Did he feel poked?
	No.
	Oh, no, he wasn't toxic.
	But he felt guilty about it.
	That's cute.
	All you did was get her story, Brian.
	Wait, what's that?
	Yeah.
	All you did was get her story.
	Yeah, I didn't feel well.
	I mean, I was like, you know, I was asking a couple questions.
	Probably.
	I mean, that's the point.
	I've got a couple probing questions.
	I did ask if she had an enlarged clitoris.
	That might have been a bit.
	Okay, okay.
	Hang on, hang on.
	Brian.
	A little imappropriate.
	But hang on.
	You are raising funds for BLM.
	This is.
	Which is Big Labia Matters, which I am told I am the vice president.
	This is true.
	And if that is the case, then why shouldn't you ask that question?
	Desiree, don't interrupt Andrew.
	Go ahead, Andrew.
	Yeah, that's right, Desiree.
	Rude.
	Your mic is muted and you're still interrupting.
	But anyway, Desiree.
	Desiree, this is what you need to do.
	Can you tell us about BLM?
	Can you tell us about that?
	You need to wear the hat and you need to go stand in the corner and face the corner for the fire.
	In the fucking corner, Desiree.
	In the corner.
	Wear the hat.
	You can wear the hat.
	Go stand it.
	Face the corner, though.
	You got to face the corner.
	Forward.
	Unreal.
	I'm a divergent.
	Okay, just go face the corner and think about what you've done.
	We have these fantastic guests.
	We've been trying to hear from all evening.
	Nope.
	Brian has been.
	Can I lap Dan?
	No.
	To the corner, Desiree.
	Oh, geez.
	Face the corner.
	No, you got to face the corner and think about what you've done.
	Think about what you've done, Desiree.
	All right, that's great, Desiree.
	You need attention.
	Okay, think about it.
	Now sit there quietly and think about what you've done.
	While we get to the people who have interesting stories, like this gal we've been speaking to.
	Anyway, I think that that's a base tweet.
	That's all I'm saying.
	Yeah, Jade's based.
	Jade's based.
	Next tweet, I guess.
	I'll hide the.
	You can hide those by lunch.
	Jade.
	Excuse me.
	I'm sorry, Brian.
	I don't mean to cut in, but it seems like your guest, Desiree, is not standing with her back arched straight so that we know she's in the corner.
	She's, I think she's.
	She's.
	Are you sulking, Desiree?
	Are you sulking?
	No, she's like, she's straddling Kiki right now.
	All right.
	All right.
	Back to the tweet.
	Jade, I'll have you read it.
	Go ahead.
	Pull it up.
	I'm not a feminist.
	I like boys too much from Back to Black was real AF Elmeo.
	There was a scene in Back to Black.
	Okay.
	Next.
	Do we have another tweet?
	Oh, we already did this one, right?
	I think.
	Okay, next.
	Or is that it?
	That's it.
	What comes after that?
	Is there anything else?
	Oh, her dating app.
	We'll do the dating app really quick, then we'll move on to.
	All right, we have Jade here.
	This is her hinge profile.
	Can you zoom it out a little bit?
	Because I think there's prompts.
	Oh, too big or too small, excuse me.
	Can you read all of these?
	We'll instantly hit it off if you're into fitness, you're not woke, you're family-oriented.
	You should add owns a truck and homeless onto that list.
	Next, a life goal.
	Travel more.
	Travel more, get married, and have children.
	When do you want to have kids?
	I've been past the age that I wanted to have kids, but 24?
	Yeah.
	Oh, okay.
	All right, next.
	Okay.
	Woke up like this.
	All right, here's your profile.
	Okay, next.
	No.
	Make it bigger, please.
	Nope, no, no.
	Just one bigger.
	What the fuck?
	Wait, wait, what?
	What happened?
	She was based in awesome and all this shit, and then that.
	What happened?
	What do you mean?
	I think it's.
	Well, why are you skanking it up?
	It was all perfect before.
	And then now it's just my Halloween costume.
	Hang on, hang on.
	Let me do this stern disapproval.
	Daddy, Andrew.
	I mean, I mean, I don't think I dress inappropriately.
	I think I just dress away.
	Can we look at the picture and you can tell me again how this is not inappropriate?
	I just, I do want to hear the rationalization.
	This is not inappropriate based on.
	No, I didn't say that.
	Oh, okay.
	No, it is.
	It's a sexy Halloween costume.
	I'm just saying, in general, I don't dress inappropriately.
	I think I just.
	My opinion on it is you dress respectfully according to what you're doing, where you're going, who's around.
	But yeah, I don't know.
	It's just my Halloween costume.
	Wait, I have a question.
	What's up?
	Is shirtless men flutty?
	Is a shirtless man's?
	Yeah, like a guy posting like gym pictures.
	It's revealing, I suppose.
	I mean, I can tell you what my dad told me when I was a very young man that men who walk around with their shirt off, it's generally considered to be disrespectful.
	Regardless of how buff, tough, and savagely ripped they are, it is considered to be disrespectful.
	That's what my dad told me anyway.
	I mean, if you want an explanation before we do, let's just look at the TikTok too.
	Actually, wait, we didn't get through all the.
	Did we get through all the app photos?
	No, we had one.
	Let's just see all the photos really quick.
	Never have I ever received flowers from a guy.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Uniform.
	Is there another one?
	Okay, let's.
	All right.
	And pull up TikTok really quick.
	Because you also said you're Ishin, right?
	Yeah.
	Like on your dating.
	Oh, F11.
	You got to be F11.
	Oh.
	Okay.
	Make it.
	Okay, can we?
	Is this a Halloween costume?
	Also, no, it was a rave outfit.
	Wait, scroll down a bit.
	No.
	Up, up, up.
	A little bit?
	Yeah.
	Hover over the one in.
	It's like half of these pictures are the most provocative you can possibly make.
	Up just pointing that out.
	Scroll down.
	Just keep scrolling.
	Keep scrolling.
	There's a hover over the that one, yeah?
	Does it not?
	Okay, scroll down.
	Uh, I mean, it's not the worst I've ever seen.
	But like, you said you're a Christian conservative, right?
	Yeah.
	I mean, if you want to.
	What?
	Wait, what?
	Did you see your pictures?
	Like, what are those for?
	Are those for anything other than eliciting a reaction from the opposite sex?
	Explain.
	Go ahead.
	Like I said, I grew up bullied.
	I had body dysmorphia.
	I had a binge eating disorder.
	I hid my body by trying to transition.
	I mean, just sweaters.
	So I'm just going to grant all of this.
	And I believe you.
	I believe that you hid your body due to the fact that you destroy it.
	I hate an eating disorder.
	But I would like to just ask this question.
	If those pictures there are not for the opposite sex, if they're not revealing for the purpose of enticing the opposite sex or getting attention from them, then what are they for?
	I never imagined I'd look like this.
	Honestly, I thought I would be mutilated and have my breasts cut off.
	Like, I am actually shocked at how.
	Yeah, I understand all that too.
	But I would like to ask, aren't those pictures there designed specifically to get male reactions of affirmation?
	No, I don't expect to get attention from it.
	Honestly, I just think I am happy with.
	I don't know.
	I just never imagined I would like this.
	So you usually strut around in front of, like, let's say you had.
	No, I.
	No, I'm not inappropriate.
	Let's say you had four roommates who were females.
	Would you dress provocatively and walk around them in order to get some affirmation from them?
	What I don't get.
	Well, I'm just wondering all of those are situational, like they were for Halloween or I was in a visa.
	I was constantly going to beach parties.
	Like they all have an explanation.
	I don't just dress up like that.
	I'm not like a cosplayer.
	They're all situational.
	For who?
	For me.
	I mean, I'm just my body.
	Yeah.
	So, so, so just to get this right, we're on a deserted desert island, right?
	Deserted.
	Nobody could ever see any of the pictures that you would ever post to anywhere.
	And you had a Polaroid camera.
	You would take pictures of yourself in your bra and panties in provocative poses for yourself.
	I just want to make sure we got that clear.
	I mean, yeah, I do.
	Yeah.
	I'm happy.
	Well, I'm going to walk this way now because that's the biggest amount of bullshit I've heard this evening.
	Even worse than the shit Desiree has said.
	You would, if you were on a desert island with a Polaroid, dress up in your brawn panties and take pictures of yourself, but just for yourself.
	I would usually agree with you, but I didn't imagine I'd look like this.
	I was overweight.
	I was trying to mutilate myself.
	Like, I'm actually genuinely really happy with my body.
	Yeah, that's fine.
	I agree.
	I'm glad.
	I'm happy for you that you lost all that weight and this and that.
	Yeah, I do.
	But why can't you just admit that the photos of you wearing almost nothing are not so that you can look at you wearing almost nothing, but so that you can get commenters who look at you wearing almost nothing, who give you affirmations that you're wearing almost nothing.
	Or you can bullshit me and say, No, Andrew, the truth is, if I had a Polaroid camera on Desert Island, I would do that shit anyway because I just like how I look in my broad panties.
	Can I answer?
	Sure.
	Yes, I would do that on a desert island.
	And no, I don't think it's for strange men.
	I think it's for, you know, whatever guy I have a crush on at the moment.
	When you're posting images of yourself online, internet, wherever you're posting them, and not keeping them to yourself or for the person they're intended for, as you just mentioned, it is for seeking validation from the general public.
	And instead, instead of keeping that to yourself for yourself, or like I said, for your partner, it is literally for the intention of seeking validation, which is unfortunately part of today's atmosphere of online.
	I grew up in an atmosphere that that did not exist.
	And I'm not saying validation for that.
	It's actually not true.
	There's a whole group of women who put our pictures out there for us.
	Can you unmute herself?
	Because we felt so invisible.
	And like we tried to be somebody we weren't.
	And when we're our real self, we want to put it out there.
	I'm not saying that.
	I mean, obviously, I think every female likes the attention of males, and males like the attention of females, just like guys like to show off their muscles.
	I'm not denying that.
	I'm saying that it's also for me because of what I've been through.
	Like, yes, of course, I would like attention from the cute guy or my crush.
	And if I were in a relationship and he wasn't cool with that clothing or Halloween costume, I would not disrespect him and make him uncomfortable, or I would take down posts.
	Like, I'm not denying that.
	I'm just saying that a huge part of that is because of like, it's either, I don't know, I just didn't imagine this.
	I could have been infertile, mutilated, no breast, overweight.
	Like, it's not just because of that.
	Wait, so, really quick, can you pull up the dating profile again where it says, like, the Christian conservative?
	Because I think perhaps, I don't know if Andrew's back yet, but it says you're Christian conservative.
	Like, if you wrote that you're liberal on there, I don't think Andrew would really push back as much with those photos.
	But I think his qualm is you're calling yourself Christian, calling yourself conservative.
	And I think part of being like Christian or conservative is there's a component of dressing modestly.
	Well, I think modest is how you carry yourself.
	I don't think I carry myself in a trashy way.
	Well, I don't think I'm trashy.
	I dress appropriately.
	I'm not here in a little shirt.
	And I just.
	You are literally in a little shirt.
	It's a dress.
	Yeah, I mean, but the top half of it is showing as much possible skin without showing the nudity portions of the skin.
	In fact, I could not envision in my head that you could wear a more revealing outfit than the one that you have on right now.
	She probably could.
	I mean, I grew up religiously, I'm just...
	Wait, what denomination of Christian are you?
	Well, I grew up Catholic.
	Oh, okay.
	But I'm not doing anything that my sister wouldn't do or my mom or.
	Yeah, I don't...
	Well, I'm just... I have to go back to this.
	I really don't understand who the photos are for.
	You say that they're for you, but you could easily not ever make those public.
	Why do you make them public?
	I mean, I don't make all of them public.
	Yeah, I know, but the ones that you did make public, why are they public?
	I don't know, because I think I look good and I'm not.
	Do you like it when people put the little like there?
	It's a grounding exercise.
	Damn, girl, you look good.
	Do you like that shit?
	It's a grounding exercise.
	It makes it completely different.
	I feel like everyone likes to be complimented.
	Let her speak, Desiree.
	Hang on.
	I think everyone likes to be complimented.
	Sure.
	Yeah, I do like compliments.
	And like I said, if I'm into a guy, I would like him to like it.
	Yeah.
	Wait, Andrew, your primary gripe here is like, who's she posting it for as opposed to like she's categorizing herself as Christian, as conservative?
	Isn't that the bigger gripe here?
	Like, if she was liberal, like, you wouldn't care about the photos.
	Well, maybe you would, but not to the same thing.
	So I'm going to start with the kind of grounding here of the first lie.
	So I believe almost everything that you've told me, except this.
	So in this, you say, I posted these photos for me.
	No, you fucking didn't post those photos for you.
	You may like the attention you get from the photos, but I don't believe in a million years you posted them so that you could view them later because you could obviously just take the photos and view them later.
	You posted them publicly for a reason.
	What is the reason?
	Two things can be true at once.
	I can also like to do that.
	Two things can be true at once.
	You post them for you.
	That's what I'm saying.
	I'm not denying what you're saying.
	I'm not denying anything that you're saying.
	Right, right.
	Do you feel like it was kind of an outreach, like for you to connect with other people who are having similar experiences as you?
	And then in that way, you could kind of build community if somebody resonated with your content type of thing?
	Because that's kind of why I started.
	I don't know.
	I just think that a lot of detransitioners, they kind of don't revert back to being really feminine.
	I agree.
	Listen, I agree with all that.
	All I'm asking for is like, look, I'm not asking for perfection.
	I am not a perfect man by any metric.
	By any metric.
	I'm just asking for honesty.
	If you really think about it, when you post those photos publicly, which reveal as much as you possibly could, basically, without getting kicked off the app, what's the real reason for it?
	I don't know.
	I guess several reasons.
	Give me the several.
	Like I said, I finally like how I look despite what I've been through in the dysmorphia.
	I agree.
	Sure.
	You like how you look.
	And whenever I like a guy, like I said, I like him to see it.
	Sure.
	And what about strangers?
	Do you like them to see it?
	I don't think much about that.
	Anything that I do is I just.
	You post it publicly to Instagram, but you don't care what they think?
	I don't know.
	I don't really think about it.
	No, so then why do you post them?
	Because I like it.
	Because you like it.
	I mean, I don't care.
	I've been giving you my reasons.
	So I just want you to put yourself in my shoes.
	And you're asking me these questions.
	Say, Andrew, why do you post the pictures flexing of you flexing all over the profile and you kissing your bicep, right?
	Is it because you just like how you look?
	And I could say, no, I never said that.
	Hang on, hang on.
	I would agree that that was true, right?
	When I said sure, it's because I like how I look.
	But if you were to then ask, is it also because you like the attention you get from that?
	I would also think I would have to be forced to concede that yes, it is because I want women to see all of those goods that I have, right?
	They see the massive biceps, which, by the way, I don't have.
	But if I did, they see that, right?
	And I like that attention.
	Otherwise, I can't really think why you would post it in a public forum where everybody could see it, unless you wanted the feedback of, I really like seeing this.
	I mean, yeah, but for me, I guess I just post more for the one guy that I like a year.
	Wait, okay.
	There's a couple of things.
	Let me ask a quick follow-up.
	When you had your eating disorder and you ate a lot, is that correct?
	You ate a lot?
	Yeah.
	And you were a little overweight?
	Very.
	Did you ever post a single one of those photos?
	No, I didn't take pictures.
	Oh, you didn't post a single one of those photos.
	Isn't that interesting?
	It's almost like you thought you would get negative feedback.
	You thought you would get negative feedback on those, but you didn't feel like you would get negative feedback on these.
	No, I had dysmorphia.
	I did not like looking at myself.
	Well, kind of going in circles here a little bit, so I do have to move things on.
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	I want to go through a couple things here.
	So going around the table, this is related to the Stiffler question.
	Do you think you'll be better looking in 10 years' time?
	Hold on.
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	I almost feel bad for Kiki Sex Dolls Matter.
	Having Desiree in the corner was hilarious.
	I don't like giving props to 304s, but that was good sport.
	That mute was worth $500.
	Lintroll Kiki.
	I should have been giving credit where credit is due.
	Thank you, Rob.
	You have to give credit.
	You did take your punishment like a man, Desiree.
	That's fair.
	She did take her punishment like a man.
	I know how to take it.
	Well, only that, Desiree.
	Even though you're a crazy lunatic, you do deserve the W's.
	But I would like to just very quickly revisit this and ask you to our gal friend.
	I'm sorry.
	I didn't actually catch your name.
	D-transitioner.
	I'm sorry.
	Can you tell me your name again?
	Jade.
	Jade.
	Okay.
	Jade, I still just got to kind of know the answer to this question.
	I'm not trying to beat you up.
	I'm really glad you deep transition.
	I'm really glad you did all of that.
	All I'm looking for is just honesty from you, right?
	And I'm being several answers, and you're saying that I'm saying that, oh, it's not for attention.
	I never said that.
	It is for attention.
	I think it's, yeah, several reasons.
	Yeah, not just that.
	I think it's I'm not saying it's just that.
	No.
	But isn't that a big component?
	Like, how many likes do those photos have?
	Let me ask you a question.
	The more naked you are, do you get more likes on those photos?
	See, I don't pay attention to likes.
	I really don't.
	Like, if I went through your photos right now and I don't know.
	I don't even go through comments.
	The more naked you're.
	I check my likes on Instagram.
	What's that?
	I check my likes on Instagram.
	I don't.
	Yeah, yeah.
	So the more naked you are, do you get more likes on those photos?
	I don't pay attention to that.
	You never, you never pay attention.
	You just said you checked your likes on Instagram, right?
	Yeah, when I post them, but I just don't notice that.
	I never thought about that.
	If we were to go through and calculate, could you tell me honestly, like from your honest assessment right now, if I went through and calculated, do you think that the photos where you were the most nude had the most amount of likes versus the ones where you were not nude?
	Yeah, probably.
	Why?
	I because men.
	And your motivation for posting them is my crush.
	You just want other men.
	So your crush, you think that your good dating strategy here is to show your crush that other men desire you by you posting the most naked photos of yourself that you can.
	That's going to lure him in.
	Is that correct?
	No, I don't have that complicated thought process.
	Very strange.
	Then why are you posting them for your ex?
	My ex is in prison.
	Well, I don't understand.
	Don't you post these now?
	Yeah, I.
	Well, then who are they for?
	Whatever crush I have at the moment.
	And you think that the best way to lure this crush in is by showing as many men as you can, you as naked as you can possibly make yourself?
	I don't think I don't have that whole thought process.
	It's just like, oh, he liked my picture.
	Cool.
	So I'll just leave it with this.
	I'm just going to ask you just one more time.
	I just want to make sure we're totally clear on this.
	If you had to guess on the most liked photos you had, would you say that they are the ones where you are wearing the least?
	Yeah, probably.
	Okay.
	Well, I'll just leave it there.
	So before we come back to the thing, you said you have a crush?
	Yeah.
	Do you have a crush currently?
	Yeah.
	Who's that?
	Privacy.
	Is it the guy you went on a date with?
	Yeah.
	How come you don't just send him the photos directly?
	Like, why would you need them to be public?
	I mean, I haven't posted anything recently other than selfies.
	Yeah, but just in general, why wouldn't you just send him the pics instead of posting them publicly?
	Yeah, I would.
	If I had a boyfriend, I would.
	No, not a boyfriend.
	You said a crush.
	You're posting those so that your crush sees them.
	Yet, there's a way I can think of where your crush could see them instantly and nobody else could.
	So then it was just for the crush.
	Why wouldn't you just send them to the crush?
	Are you trying to let them be like lead?
	It's kind of like the idea of dropping the picture.
	Hang on, let her answer, please, Desiree.
	Yeah, I mean, I think it's kind of awkward just sending someone a picture, I guess.
	It's kind of normal.
	Have you tagged your crush in any of these photos?
	No, I'm not.
	We're not.
	No, of course not.
	No.
	Never tagged.
	Never tagged him.
	It's different if he were my friend.
	Let me ask you the final question.
	Have you ever actually sent your crush directly these photos?
	No, I barely started talking.
	So to get this right, you post the photos for your crush.
	You never actually send the pictures to your crush.
	And on top of that, you've never even tagged your crush in any of these pictures.
	But Andrew, please believe that these are just for my crush.
	I didn't say they were just for my crush.
	I didn't say that they were solely for that.
	But no, I think that's a boyfriend situation.
	Like, if you're taking selfies and pictures, you send them to your boyfriend first, then post, see what he thinks.
	At least that would be what that's what I would do.
	So if you had a boyfriend, you would post pictures in your brawn panties if you had a boyfriend to the public at large to see what he thought.
	No, if, no, I didn't say that.
	Well, then what did I get wrong there?
	I said that posting if I had a boyfriend, yes, that would make sense.
	Send him the pictures.
	You know, if it was provocative and he didn't like it, then don't post it.
	But I'm not in that situation.
	I don't have a boyfriend.
	But I thought you posted them for your crush.
	That's not my boyfriend.
	Yeah, but if you post them for your crush, why don't you just send them to your crush?
	Your crush is a crush.
	It doesn't indicate that you're talking.
	It doesn't indicate that.
	It just.
	Yeah, I know, but I still don't understand.
	Why wouldn't you just send him to the crush?
	Because it's not like you're not going to be able to.
	You might not want to be guilty of essay.
	If he didn't ask, if the guy didn't ask me, can we please maybe try to ask a final question here?
	Yeah, I'll just wrap it up.
	I just really would like to know.
	I still really don't understand.
	I'm trying to put my brain in your brain and figure out where you're coming from, right?
	I understand the eating disorder stuff.
	I understand the want for male attention because of, you know, et cetera, et cetera.
	I don't actually understand the idea of I want to entice my crush by not sending him these pictures specifically, but instead putting them out without ever even tagging him, so he doesn't even know I'm his crush.
	Doesn't that sound 100% like fucking cope?
	I mean, it doesn't sound like cope.
	No, there are situations where you're just not talking to the person.
	They don't even know each other closely.
	She's not going to randomly send him a sexy photo.
	It's just like a less aggressive.
	How many sexy photos did you send, Brian?
	Well, I'm aggressive.
	And you guys told me that I was SA, so I haven't even been.
	Well, maybe I have.
	I don't know.
	Obulating me doesn't follow.
	If you have somebody in your brain, Desiree, who you want to entice, it certainly seems like you are willing to send this the photos.
	But I do, I use Brian like my muse.
	So when I make my Instagram posts, for example, I'm making them for him.
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	It's fucking sufferable women talking Desiree.
	Mute Desiree again, please.
	Oh, thank God.
	The best thing ever that you've ever done, Desiree, for this show is get muted.
	Anyway, I'm happy to move it on from there, Brian.
	All right.
	And listen, I am really glad you detransition.
	I'm very happy for you, right?
	But on this, you can see that there's a huge inconsistency here.
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	Jade, you're constantly putting yourself in the F-only category with pics like that.
	Your crush may like these photos and brag about being with you, but the relationship won't last.
	I mean, I guess, like, whatever relationship I have in the end, God will decide, and my life will be a testament to what I deserve in the end.
	Old Man Marion, thank you for the message.
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	What can I do to silence Desiree for the rest of the show?
	A new route from the studio.
	It would be less arduous than her scientific analysis of all's perspective.
	Thank you.
	Mr. Killer of Cereal, I'm going to actually give you the answer to this question that you desperately yearn for.
	We are coming on one o'clock in the morning Eastern time.
	And this tells me that if you were to send Brian two champagne pops worth of super chats, meaning $2,000, that I'm certain that we could silence Desiree for the rest of the night.
	And I would love to see it, by the way.
	I'll just sit on Kiki's lap and drink the two bottles of champagne.
	I can't hear you, Desiree, because you're fucking muted.
	You're muted.
	Should I?
	I feel like I should change the microphone mute to like one of the shut up things.
	Shut the fuck up.
	Oh, this one, maybe this one.
	Shut the fuck up, okay?
	Shut the fuck up.
	Maybe, I don't know.
	Maybe I'll change the noise or the TTS trigger.
	Kill of Cereal, good to see you in the chat, man.
	Appreciate it.
	Thank you for the message.
	Old Man Marian.
	When are we going to get his avatar up there?
	I'm working on it.
	It's hard to find something serial related.
	So, so hang on.
	Mr. E came up with Captain Crunch mixed with Count Chocula.
	I feel like that's a great avatar.
	It could work.
	So, okay, let's get through a couple of these things here.
	So you mentioned your crush, right?
	I had a couple questions on this.
	He was an example.
	But you went on one date with this guy?
	Yeah.
	How long have you known him?
	About three weeks.
	How did you meet him?
	Hinge.
	Oh, Hinge?
	He's your crush?
	At the moment, yeah.
	I don't.
	Oh, my gosh.
	I don't really like guys.
	I don't just fall for them easily.
	You don't fall for guys easily?
	No, I don't.
	It's very hard for me to actually crush on someone.
	Whole grinder guy?
	Okay.
	You fell for him kind of easily.
	I've liked a total of, well, I've crushed on a total of three guys in my life, I think.
	Is this unrequited?
	I don't know.
	Okay.
	Because you said you went on a date a week ago.
	A week ago, you're being a little maybe vague or evasive on this.
	Yeah.
	It sounds like maybe there's not.
	Are you stalking him?
	Is that what you're telling me?
	I'm not going to go into detail.
	Whoa.
	You're stalking him?
	No, no.
	No, it's.
	You're stalking him?
	No, it's too recent.
	I don't want to talk to you.
	You showed up at his house unannounced?
	No.
	Wait, did you guys hook up?
	No.
	Oh, okay.
	Wait, a question on that really quick.
	Are you now like waiting periods of time before you'll hook up with somebody?
	I want to wait until I'm officially a girlfriend.
	So what if they make you a girlfriend on the first date?
	Like you're my girlfriend.
	Would you?
	If my current crush, yes.
	You would have cardinal knowledge?
	I think I would wait a while after being a girlfriend.
	Wait, that's like two different answers.
	So you said yes for your current.
	Yes, I would have to be a girlfriend first, but I'd also have to wait a little bit.
	How long would you wait?
	I don't know.
	It depends.
	I don't know.
	It depends on a couple months.
	A couple weeks, yeah.
	A month?
	Sure.
	Is that a fair?
	Yeah, a month.
	That's a hard sell, Jid.
	That's a hard sell.
	How are you going to match with a guy on a grinder on grinder at 8 p.m., meet up with him at 3 a.m.?
	You got to do a switch on a split on this.
	Okay, maybe a week.
	How are you going to do all that and go to his truck in the.
	7-Eleven parking lot?
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	Circle K, Circle Krap.
	You are searching for the wrong attention and will get it.
	Be a conservative like you say you are and take them down.
	Leave the whoreing to Desiree.
	I like this stuff.
	I just think it's kind of like when it comes to the whole the bikini thing or whatever, like the revealing photos.
	It's like if you're just going to claim lib, I don't give a fuck.
	But it's like a woman should be the only person who's a woman.
	Let me ask you a question, right?
	Like if somebody said they were a vegan, but you saw them eating meat every single week, you'd be like, yeah, you're not a vegan.
	You're eating meat.
	I just don't know why liberal is synonymous with conservatism has to do with like maintaining tradition, being traditional.
	Part of that has to do with modesty.
	Within the Christian faith, modesty.
	As I said, I'm not doing anything that my relatives wouldn't do.
	That's not even an argument.
	Your relatives wouldn't do?
	Yeah, my female relatives.
	So I'm not sure if that's like a rebuttal.
	I don't know.
	I don't think I'm.
	Okay, so can you just you're Christian, right?
	If somebody doesn't believe in Jesus, can they be Christian?
	I just know.
	Okay.
	But so there's certain components of the faith that they have to adhere to to be considered Christian, right?
	Okay, so like I get that, I guess your mom and your sister, they would post thirst traps and reveal.
	She was a model, yeah, when she was my age.
	Okay.
	But so it's kind of like part of being conservative and Christian, there's like a modesty component to it.
	I don't think, in my opinion, that's not what that means.
	I think it means how you carry yourself.
	So just to be clear.
	I don't think it's about what you wear.
	I mean, I think it depends on the situation.
	Well, but what does that mean?
	How you carry yourself?
	What does that mean?
	I think I can wear the same thing as a trashy woman, and we would not come across the same.
	Well, that's possibly true, but what if you wore nothing?
	I wouldn't wear nothing.
	Yeah, but why not?
	Because what?
	I'd be naked.
	And the problem with that is, what about how, what if you carried yourself just really in a regal way while you were naked?
	But I'm not naked.
	Yeah, I know, but if you were naked, though.
	I think that's entirely different.
	But why?
	Because you're naked.
	Yeah, I know.
	I know you're naked, but I thought it was all about how you carried yourself.
	It is.
	With clothing, yes.
	I mean, I don't think...
	Well, I don't understand.
	I don't understand the distinction here.
	If you're wearing almost no clothing versus wearing no clothing.
	I don't almost.
	But there's the distinction in how you carry yourself.
	Like, for instance, if you took off your dress and just walked down the street with your brawn panties, is there a certain way you would spin to yourself that would let us know?
	Desiree, shut up.
	This isn't for you, Jade.
	I can't tell if you're lying or confused.
	As a dad, you seem lost in trying all the wrong approaches to find happiness.
	It's set to see.
	Yeah, well, I do have to dive into this.
	I'm just wondering, if you walk down the street in your brawn panties, how are you carrying yourself differently than if you were walking down the street with nothing on?
	I don't wear anything appropriate.
	As I said, those outfits, they were all situational.
	I swear, they were a rave outfit or a Halloween party.
	Yeah, well, hang on.
	I'm not even talking about those.
	I'm talking about this idea of how you carry yourself.
	So how could you carry yourself down the street with your brawn panties versus naked?
	Hang on, that would make a distinction in people's minds about what it is you were about.
	I didn't say bra in panties.
	So I don't understand the carry yourself thing then.
	What does that mean?
	Are you being flashy?
	Are you being it's just how you carry yourself?
	Yeah, I mean, you're just restating the thing I'm asking.
	What is the thing about carrying yourself?
	You say it's about how you carry yourself.
	I agree.
	Okay.
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	Wow, dang.
	Should I answer?
	You don't want to do it?
	I'll have to pull it back up later.
	It's just a dream or whatever.
	I'll just very quickly finish this.
	Stream, thank you, man.
	I just want to know very briefly, the idea of it's how you carry yourself, which is what Brian challenged.
	Can I say that?
	I'm not flashy.
	I'm not flashing.
	Wait, wait, wait.
	I'm not.
	Wait, wait, wait.
	Okay, hold on.
	Let me frame it like this.
	Okay.
	So let's say a girl did porn and OnlyFans and did gangbangs, but she carried herself like really well.
	I did not say that.
	I'm not.
	Okay, can you engage with a hypothetical?
	But she did porn.
	But she says, well, I'm a good Christian.
	I'm a conservative.
	I'm traditional, but she does gangbangs and porn and all that shit.
	That's not the same thing.
	I think that's.
	Okay, yes, there's degrees to it, obviously.
	Can she claim to be a traditional conservative woman?
	Nowhere in that script.
	Answer the question.
	I can't say I can't know.
	Nowhere what?
	No.
	Nowhere.
	So, just to be clear, God's totally cool with you dressing like super revealing out in public.
	No issue with it.
	There's no component of modesty when it comes to Christianity.
	I think modesty is not that.
	I don't think it has anything to do with showing skin.
	Then, why can't you walk down the fucking street naked?
	And be modest.
	I mean, revealing your genitals is something you don't.
	She just said it has nothing to do with revealing your skin.
	Yeah, skin, not genitals.
	Oh, I'm sorry.
	Is that not skin?
	Wait, wait, hold on.
	What?
	Hang on, no, you hold on.
	How was that not revealing your skin?
	Wait, hold on.
	There is actually something in the Bible.
	I just Googled it.
	There's something in the Bible about this.
	The Bible teaches.
	Old man Maureen donated $100 for all that is in the world.
	The lust of the flesh and the lust of the eyes and the pride of life is not of the Father, but is of the world.
	1 John 2:16.
	Old Man Maureen, thank you for the message.
	Thank you for the TTS.
	Appreciate it, man.
	Brian, I am so confused.
	Can you unconfuse us here?
	I'm so confused by this.
	So, I mean, I just Googled it.
	I just Googled modesty Christianity, and it says Christians should dress modestly and be conscious of the shamefulness of public nakedness.
	For example, 1 Timothy 2:8 to 10 says that women should adorn themselves in respectable apparel with modesty and self-control.
	So now that I've quoted you something directly from the Bible, do you want to walk back your position?
	No, I mean, I don't think I'm not wearing.
	Okay.
	I have self-control.
	I'm not being.
	I'm not like that.
	Can I say something?
	But here's the thing.
	I understand.
	So I think I can steel man what you're saying.
	Listen, I'm dressing provocatively, but how you carry yourself is an entailment.
	I know who I am.
	How I would actually behave towards a person has nothing to do with how I'm dressing.
	Is that essentially what you're saying?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Wait, that's fair.
	Okay, but I'd love to ask you: if that is the case, why couldn't you walk down the street totally naked and just carry yourself in a certain way?
	Because genitals are not the same.
	So then if you just wore two little tiny tassels around your nipples, I would never have to do it.
	And then just covered the vagina and then the ass crack with like a small thin strap, what would be the problem there?
	I'm not saying that.
	Me personally, I believe it depends on the situation.
	Like I would not dress in anything little in front of anybody's parents.
	And as I said, those are the things that you're dressing online like that in front of people's parents.
	You don't give a shit.
	I'm going to say that those were all situational.
	They were Halloween parties.
	There were costumes.
	I don't just dress like that.
	But yo, yo, yo, it's one.
	Okay, hold on.
	It's one thing.
	Even if we grant that in these situations, even if we grant that it was situationally okay, when you go ahead and post it on the internet without the context, there's context.
	Pull up her dating profile again, please.
	Go ahead, make your point.
	No, I was thinking that, like, on the Bible, like, Christianism or whatever says that you should not before marriage, you should not get divorced.
	You should not like do a lot of stuff.
	I don't know.
	I'm not Christian.
	Right.
	So, like, I don't think that Christians do all this stuff.
	So if so I I don't do these kind of things, but I think that if you're confident with that and you feel good, whatever.
	Like I mean if you think then just to ask Christianism is like go ahead.
	Go ahead.
	No, that if we put like all this stuff on like your religion, I don't think like it's the point.
	I don't know.
	So what is the point?
	No, the point is like you can ask why she does it, why like whatever, but it's not about like modesty for the Christianism or whatever, because if someone has to, I think I mean if you're Christian, you should miss everything.
	Then like, if you, what happens?
	So so what happens if you claim the reason that I believe the things I believe is due to the fact that I'm a Christian, and then you move against the very ethics of the thing which is being Christian?
	How do you reconcile that?
	Sorry, I didn't understand so.
	So let us, let us assume, so you're in Greek right, or you're Greek.
	Is that what you said?
	Yeah, I said it.
	The Italian Italian yeah, Italian Orthodox.
	I mean, what am I wearing on?
	Guy in pink shirt donated $100, love the show watching a few hours behind.
	We should encourage men to not be afraid of rejection.
	It builds character and confidence.
	Encouraging women to approach men only feminizes men more.
	All right, thank you for the TTS man appreciate it.
	So so I'm sorry, Catholic or Orthodox Catholic?
	No, I'm not.
	I'm yeah, I know, but but you were born Catholic yeah yeah yeah, born.
	So you're baptized Catholic yeah, yeah.
	And what do the Catholics think about photos like that?
	Yeah no, I know what they say, like that's not not something Catholic like you, you should not do that, you should not get divorced, you should not do a lot of stuff so like, and I know a lot of, and you should not judge.
	I, I went to like, the Catholic school yeah, and I met a lot of people that judge gays that say did shit and they were not.
	But you don't consider yourself a Catholic, right?
	No I, I don't right.
	But imagine if somebody did and then did those things, would you say they were Catholic?
	I say that I saw, I saw so many people doing it and saying that they're Catholic that I think they were wrong.
	Right, they weren't, they weren't acting in a way that was Catholic.
	They don't follow all the rules.
	But I think that now we're in a period that a lot of like yeah, but everyone should I don't know, I get it, I get it.
	Listen, you can say people should be able to do whatever they want, as long as it doesn't hurt anybody else, that's fine right, I'm?
	I'm conceding that.
	I'm just asking, if somebody says that they're a Catholic and then does do those things, are they a Catholic?
	That's my question.
	I think that like, if someone I don't know like believes in God and says okay, I'm Catholic because I believe in God and whatever, like okay, and they don't want to follow everything.
	I mean, if it feels good for them It's fine.
	Like, you can't.
	Wait, so the so I just want to make sure I got this right.
	The official Catholic teaching is that if it feels good to you, it's fine.
	No, no, that's not a teaching.
	That's why.
	So, what is the teaching?
	So, what is the teaching?
	We agree.
	We agree that the teaching says that if we agree, then are they actually Catholic if they say you should do this, and then they do the opposition on purpose, on purpose?
	Are they being Catholic?
	I mean, who cares?
	Donated $100.
	This is a lost conversation.
	My mom was the old traditional kind and barely showed skin.
	This new age traditional crap isn't traditional at all.
	BTW, Morgan, chin up.
	You look very bored.
	I know my relationship with God, and I know that I practice, and it's very deep to me.
	And I think I'm just appreciating the femininity and femaleness that I almost lost.
	And I don't think there's anything wrong with that.
	But if you think that, then that's fine.
	Okay, here.
	Here's my position.
	I'll try to make it as simple as possible.
	I don't care that you have revealing photos, but like, can you at least concede that it's not modest?
	I mean, I don't agree with like, I don't read that scripture the way other people do.
	I think okay, I'm not even talking about religion at this point.
	You're not traditional, you're not really conservative.
	I am.
	And you're not modest.
	You're traditional?
	Yeah.
	You're a traditional woman.
	Yes.
	Holy shit.
	Okay.
	I like.
	Oh my God.
	I'm not doing anything different that other women my age aren't.
	I don't understand.
	And they're not traditional women.
	Women are.
	I don't understand.
	Hold on.
	You're not doing anything different that women, you're that's not evidence that they're traditional or that you're traditional.
	I think it's your religion.
	I don't think it has anything to do with your appearance.
	It has nothing to do with your appearance.
	No.
	Wait, sorry, you had something?
	Go ahead.
	No, I just thought I didn't want to say anything.
	Go ahead, say it.
	No, no, no, it's fine.
	Can I?
	It has nothing to do.
	No.
	This is, I've never even heard this.
	Most liberal women will be like, yeah, I dress revealing and provocative.
	And like, you just know as liberal women just own up.
	They're revealing.
	You don't think those photos are revealing?
	Yes, but they were costumes.
	I don't just go out and dress that way.
	You literally do, though.
	I don't.
	You literally do.
	What am I supposed to dress like as a girl?
	Here's a photo of you dressing this way.
	I don't dress this way, but here's a photo of me dressing this way.
	What am I supposed to dress like as a 20-year-old?
	Good question.
	Good question.
	So, the question to you: as the self-identified Christian, how are you supposed to dress?
	As I said, I grew up religiously.
	I'm not doing anything that my sister or my mom.
	Oh, my God.
	I don't even understand that argument.
	I don't understand that argument.
	Can I say something?
	I just don't know any Christian or Catholic that just doesn't dress like me or look like me.
	I don't know.
	I don't know what you expect us to look like.
	Bro, there's Catholics.
	Oh, my.
	I don't even know.
	I mean, Andrew smelled, by the way.
	I don't think that's in the Bible.
	No, my God.
	Well, I mean, if we're talking about listening to everything the Bible says, I mean, come on.
	He's heard this one so many times.
	Well, if you're going to quote the Bible, which book can we find, Thou Shalt Not Smoke?
	I remember vaguely the quote was: don't indulge in things that are too for for only for pleasure and addictions.
	Addiction, that's what it was.
	Addiction.
	Oh, where is that?
	Where can I find that?
	I'll bring up the quote from the channel.
	Search can you smoke Bible?
	Yeah, so I have the Orthodox teachings from the original Church of Jesus Christ, which I'm a part of.
	And you know what they say about smoking?
	Do you?
	No, you can definitely interpret it.
	Bro, you're going to take a big fat L on this.
	There's no official church doctrine on smoking.
	They don't give a fucking shit about smoking.
	Bro, just concede.
	Let me just help you out.
	Just concede to Andrew.
	Wait, you're going to take a big fat L on this.
	Just concede the point.
	Wait.
	Just concede the point.
	Trust me.
	But Andrew.
	You can't smoke.
	But Andrew, you smoke.
	Wait, but I'll go look it up.
	Bro, just concede on this point.
	Just resign.
	No, I'll just.
	Just resign.
	Why do you need to get a little bit more complicated?
	No, Stay, stay.
	I just got to ask you, though.
	What about alcohol?
	Alcohol is bad.
	That's an addiction, is it not?
	I mean, if you're.
	Yeah, well, alcohol.
	So is alcohol bad?
	Is drinking alcohol bad?
	Sorry, that wasn't for you.
	Not to.
	That's something else.
	Oh, not for me.
	Wait, wait.
	I just got to ask you: is drinking alcohol bad?
	From a Christian purview?
	From a Christian perspective, should drinking alcohol be bad?
	No, no.
	I mean, I think they allow alcohol in moderation.
	They have ceremonies that involve alcohol, I'm pretty sure.
	Pretty sure.
	Drinking alcohol is not bad.
	I think change smoking is probably bad and Christian.
	Addiction.
	I can go look it up, but you told me not to.
	No, no, no.
	You can look it up.
	I'm happy to compete with any bullshit that you come up with.
	I can't wait.
	Wait, so are you willing to concede that you're not modest?
	Outside of those costumes, I'd say I don't know.
	I think I just dress like every other woman my age.
	I don't see.
	I don't see myself as any different.
	I don't know.
	Okay, hold on.
	Do you think that the majority of men that you encounter are traditional princes?
	Are they?
	The two different.
	No, no, no.
	Answer the question.
	What?
	Oh, my God, bro.
	Holy shit.
	I'm kind of seeing it now.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	That I just asked you.
	Do you think most men are traditional men?
	No.
	Do you think most men are princes?
	No.
	But they're acting just like all the other men are acting.
	I never said that.
	Oh, my God.
	You're saying I am modest because all the other women are also dressing in this way.
	So this is the sort of status quo, ergo.
	It is within the realm of normal modesty because other women dress this way.
	But when I reverse it, when I reverse it, and so you're saying, well, so if you're traditional, right?
	So are all the other women traditional too?
	Some, yeah, I think some.
	Oh, my God.
	There are traditional women and then there are people.
	I just have one last follow-up question on this topic.
	Do you have any pictures of you?
	GMD Jim donated $100.
	Did you ever hear the saying?
	If everybody else jumped off of a bridge, would you?
	You call yourself traditional and Christian, but you compare yourself to the world.
	Christians are set apart.
	I can compare myself to other Christians that I know and Catholics.
	And by the way, I disagree with his comment, or I do think you have to engage with the world as a Christian.
	I think that that is part of being a Christian.
	I will ask you this.
	Right this second, right now, as we're speaking, why is what you're wearing modest?
	I mean, it's just a dress.
	Yeah, why is it modest?
	I don't know.
	I think it's just a dress.
	I'm not dressing appropriately.
	It's just a dress.
	Yeah, what makes it not inappropriate or appropriate?
	I don't think it's inappropriate.
	It's based on it's just a dress.
	Well, I'm well, the thing is.
	What is inappropriate about it?
	So, I mean, this is where we're getting into the crux, right?
	So, I don't want to get into the, oh, well, there's just nothing you can do where it's not bad.
	I'm just trying to figure out the kind of designation of what you think is appropriate.
	Like, if we can post basically nude pictures, broad panties to the Instagram, and that's fine because it's about how we carry ourselves.
	But we can also show up at the whatever podcast with a very revealing dress, and let's not kid ourselves, it is.
	Where's our line here?
	Like, how do I dress differently than other women my age?
	I don't know what you expect of me.
	Let's assume you don't.
	Let's assume they all dress the same way you do.
	I'm just asking my age.
	I'm just asking within the Christian purview.
	Yeah, but is Christianity about doing what everybody else does?
	No, I don't think that anybody is perfect in their faith.
	And I think.
	Yeah, I'm not claiming anybody's perfect in anything.
	I'm just saying, I'm just asking you right now, right this second, you're in front of God and you're justifying to him why what you're wearing is appropriate.
	It's not.
	Walking around in the streets of Santa Barbara, you say to him in 90-degree weather, in a dress that is almost at my knees is not inappropriate.
	And what about at the chest?
	My dress?
	Yeah.
	The top.
	It's just a dress.
	It's not inappropriate.
	Okay.
	I don't feel like we got any closer to what is appropriate, but okay.
	I mean, I guess only God knows.
	You know, there is specific, there's actually specific criteria for this.
	GMD Jim donated $100.
	Andrew, you understand.
	In, not of.
	She is being.
	Of.
	That is part of her stumbling block.
	Yeah, okay.
	So I think that that's a much fairer way of putting it.
	You do live in the world, doesn't mean you have to be of the world.
	But I do think you should participate in the world.
	Even while you're not of it, if that makes sense to you, Jim.
	But here, kind of back to this.
	The reason I'm asking this is I'm just looking for like a simple delineation point of when it's not about how you feel and when it's about what's objective.
	I'm just not doing anything different that other women my age aren't.
	So if all the women your age were fucking a different man every night, you would do that?
	No, definitely not.
	If all the women your age were smoking crack, you would do that.
	What do you expect me to dress like?
	It's not a matter of what I expect you to dress like.
	I'm asking from your view, if all the women your age were smoking crack, why would you not smoke crack?
	Because I personally wouldn't.
	Okay, what about your faith?
	Does that inform that?
	No, I just personally wouldn't.
	Okay.
	So you don't think it has anything to do with Christianity that you don't smoke crack?
	No.
	No, okay.
	All right.
	I'm willing to leave it there, Brian.
	I got that quote for you if you want.
	Can't wait to hear it.
	Okay.
	Go ahead.
	Well, it's definitely interpretable, but says, I will not be mastered by anything.
	Victor donated $100.
	What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard.
	At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered brew.
	By the way, that's from a movie.
	Thank you for that.
	A great movie.
	Yes.
	I think that's Billy Madison.
	But anyway, what's the quote?
	It is, I will not be.
	Everything is permissible by me, but not everything is beneficial.
	Everything is permissible for me, but I will not be mastered by anything.
	So this person, this article that interpreted it, so you could unpack it.
	How do you interpret it?
	Well, I'd say you are mastered by an addiction.
	I think that's what.
	I mean, this criteria is.
	Do you know what the passions are?
	The passions?
	I mean, do you think that you are?
	No, let's back up.
	Before you ask me a question, answer mine, and then I'll answer one of yours.
	Do you know what the passions are?
	No.
	Yeah, so like anger, right?
	Love.
	You would consider those to be passions, right?
	Emotions, sure.
	Yeah, things which need to be mastered.
	Sure.
	Now, let me ask you a question.
	Have you ever seen somebody who smokes become more induced towards love or rage or any of these passions?
	No, honestly.
	No, well, and that's why you're full of shit and don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
	So the thing is, is that in every other case of the drug that you might bring up, you might have a good case to make because this is in reference to the passions.
	So any other drug?
	What has happened instead is that we have taken the one drug that you can come up with.
	Killer of serial donated $100.
	She is being in the mindset of a freak in the sheets, but just a half-naked lady in the streets.
	Definitely of a God-fearing woman who holds herself to a higher calling, as high as her nipple line.
	Anyway, you happened to pick the one drug that had nothing to do with the influence of the passions by your own admission.
	Great job.
	You just told every Christian that smoking is not problematic, has nothing to do with her passions, has nothing to do with self-mastery.
	Fantastic work.
	Thank you very much.
	Brian, I did tell you you would take the L. Take that fucking L. You deserve it all the way.
	I don't think I took an L.
	It's okay.
	All right.
	A lot to get through here.
	So I did want to.
	I was trying to get to this.
	So I was asking you, you want to wait a month for this new guy or whatever?
	Or a new guy?
	Yeah.
	After I become a girlfriend, yeah.
	Isn't that kind of?
	Oh, sorry about that.
	My bad.
	I'm sorry.
	GMD Jim donated $100.
	Yes, Sandrew.
	I most certainly understand.
	Been serving the Lord for a while.
	Do you understand reading your donio chats?
	Yeah, I can't do it while we're live streaming.
	I'm here on whatever.
	I'm on Brian's time.
	We read the dono chats after this stream.
	Thank you, Jim, for the TTS.
	So here's where I'm a little confused.
	So you previously, the first guy or the first guy had sex with him within an hour of meeting him.
	But now you want to make the new guy wait a month?
	Oh, after becoming a girlfriend, I don't know.
	As long as I'm a girlfriend first.
	But don't you think that's kind of a little silly?
	You know?
	No, I don't want to.
	Shouldn't it have been the reverse?
	Like the guy you lose your virginity to, you wait.
	Like, okay, you tell me this.
	And I'm like, hold on.
	So just to be clear, so the guy you lost your virginity to, you matched with him on a gay dating app, you went to a truck stop, you fucked him in the truck within an hour of meeting him.
	He was homeless.
	Bisexual.
	Yeah.
	But here I am, a good guy.
	Yeah.
	And I have to wait a month, but like, you fucked, you lost your virginity to a homeless truck driver, and he hit within an hour.
	And on the first date, and I got to wait.
	That's crazy.
	Maybe she learned her lesson the hard way and changed.
	Bro, that's crazy.
	I just don't want to.
	I've always got to update my protocol each bad experience I have.
	I just don't want to add to my body count that is already very low to a guy that isn't going to commit to me.
	I need to know that he's going to commit because honestly, I just want my person.
	And yeah.
	I just want to give him me and no one else.
	I don't just want to sleep around.
	And I know that's kind of contradicting because of what I've been through, but that happened because I was essayed and I was just desperate to lose it consensually.
	That does.
	I'm a little confused.
	I mean, by that.
	Wouldn't you be like you just how wait, how soon after you were essayed did this?
	About three months after.
	Wouldn't.
	It's called a grape trauma response.
	It's very common.
	I mean, very funny that the distinct difference between men and women, men do get essayed and they get essayed often.
	It's so interesting to me how much though the accountability for women goes back to I do this bad behavior because of SA and it's not excused in men at all ever.
	How do men get essayed all the time?
	Well, especially when they're young.
	Well, hang on, especially when they're young, you do realize that this is true.
	It happens to men as well, and yet they're not allowed to use it as a current bad behavior.
	In fact, society shrugs it off.
	They say, it doesn't matter if this horrible thing happened to you.
	You must be held to account for the thing you're currently doing.
	And yet, for some reason, for women, they call back to an SAN Desiree.
	Yet for women, they can call back to an SA story.
	And somehow, that's supposed to lend more credibility to the shit behavior they have right now.
	Can you explain that to me?
	I'm not excusing it.
	I don't like that that happened, but I think it led me to where I am now.
	I'm sorry.
	I wasn't sure.
	I was like, I'm not sure if you're donating $100.
	If you want commitment before sex, then here's a surefire way.
	Tell him you only let men hit it raw.
	Hence, you need commitment and exclusivity in a relationship before hooking up.
	Yeah, like, for instance, I could never, I can never, for instance, I could never excuse current bad behavior by saying it's because Desiree sexually assaulted me and Brian.
	It's not current.
	Brian and I could never in a million years.
	Brian and I could.
	Stop, Desiree.
	Let me finish my point.
	Brian and I could never in a million years excuse current bad behavior because Desiree over there sexually assaulted us.
	We couldn't do it.
	And yet for some reason, it's perfectly acceptable for women to do that.
	I'm not using it as an excuse.
	I'm explaining my reasoning as to why I met up with a stranger.
	It was wrong and I shouldn't have done it.
	But my mindset is a very important thing.
	So you brought it up, the context you brought it up in is saying you have a brand new standard for new men where despite you having lost your virginity, your new standard is that I got to date the guy for a whole month.
	This could mean meeting up like a handful of time, multiple times, 10 times, 15 times, whatever.
	You're going to wait, make him, huh?
	It's not a standard.
	I mean, I don't want to.
	What do you mean you just said you're the next guy?
	I said I would like to.
	I mean, if I just want commitment, honestly.
	I don't, as I said, I don't want to.
	You just want commitment?
	yeah okay so that's but you no no you You said, even if he says, okay, on the first date, I will be your boyfriend, you would still wait.
	I guess it wouldn't be the same day.
	Well, and then let's assume that most guys aren't going to do that and they're going to want to date you for a period of time.
	So, oh my God.
	I mean, yeah, if we're dating, if we're seeing each other, if we're exclusive and he's just not asking me yet, then.
	Hold on.
	Ladies at the table, how long does it take you to get exclusivity and boyfriend, girlfriend from a dude?
	How long?
	Three months?
	Four months, six months?
	How long does it take you?
	It depends from the situation.
	Average.
	Like for me, by my side, then I don't know the other side, like two months, but I would.
	Yeah, I'll say like a month and a half for me.
	But I hook up before.
	Anybody else want to weigh in on that?
	I, for some reason, get the ones that want to breed me.
	That's cool.
	Okay.
	I would have a conversation about it with them.
	So I wouldn't have a.
	Could be.
	I mean, I don't know.
	I've never experienced that.
	I've never gotten had anything normal.
	So let's say you go on a date with a guy and it's going well and he's like, hey, do you want to go back to my place?
	Do you say no?
	I would go to his place.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	The underlying.
	He wants to have sex.
	He wants to hook up.
	Would you have the second date?
	Would you have sex with him?
	No, no.
	If it was the first date?
	No.
	Second date?
	No.
	Third date?
	We would have to be seeing each other for a while.
	How long?
	I guess a month.
	Okay.
	But consistently and two, three times a week.
	Yeah, a week, yeah.
	A week?
	Talking to each other, talking to nobody else.
	Sure.
	is a terror like it's just like you need to see his intention like yeah he Oh, no.
	Damn, bro.
	You can say one month.
	So close, guys.
	Go ahead.
	I don't think that you can say like one week, one month.
	You know a guy and then you see how it is.
	Do you see how you feel with him?
	But why do girls have this like this totally different?
	Like y'all will hook up with the dude.
	Y'all hook up with the dude within an hour of meeting, same night.
	Like for me, I hook up with a dude and then I decide if I want to like keep saying or not for how I am.
	But I'm kind of the same.
	It depends.
	It depends from like because I'm not the kind of person that says, okay, I want something like official.
	So, but it depends how you are, I think.
	Like if a guy is musty, you might not want to sleep with him on the first, like, you know, early on.
	But if he's like, if you're really attracted to him, you are probably more inclined.
	I explained my reasoning for the first mistake that I made.
	I wouldn't make that mistake again.
	I was very young.
	I was not in the same mind.
	Hold on, just to be clear, you dated that guy for two years.
	So, not just one mistake.
	And then immediately after the breakup, you not immediately.
	But the very next guy you dated, you hooked up with him on the second date.
	Is that I got the impression that we were going to start seeing each other and that we were going to be exclusive.
	And I shouldn't have jumped to conclusions, but that is why.
	But okay, it's just to me, it's crazy.
	He was going to start seeing me.
	That's fine.
	But like, have it be your actual standard.
	Like, girls, you guys just will leverage sex.
	Well, sometimes we just feel extra vulnerable.
	Like, do you have any, like, do you have any objections actually to sleeping with somebody super quick?
	No, I would not hook up with somebody no.
	You've literally done it twice or more.
	We've heard of two.
	Just two.
	Just the two.
	I just, I don't.
	The first one, yes.
	The second one, it was not that.
	Okay, so I'm just confused why women will, like, in their past, they'll sleep with guys really quick, and then when the guy who's worthy of a relationship, the guy you make lately, and this guy's a motherfucker.
	So just to be clear, women give sex to the fuckboys, the jerks, the assholes, the abusers instantly.
	But the guy who treats you well, who's deserving of a long-term relationship, stops.
	The guy who's deserving of the relationship, he has to wait a month to have sex.
	No, that's fucking crazy.
	No, I got you.
	You agree?
	Yeah.
	Italian girls agree.
	WHAT'S YOU?
	I get what you're saying, but I think that, I mean, I don't know if I don't do that, but I see a lot of girls that does it.
	They do it all the time.
	But I think because they want to be sure that they keep seeing him.
	I guess.
	I don't know.
	If he likes you, if he likes you like that.
	Yes, you have sex with him.
	We have been told the message our whole lives that guys are judging us based on that.
	So I know for me personally, I was so in my head trying to be like, what's the date number that I could sleep with the guy so that he would take me seriously, but not like wait too long to where you guys are.
	I don't think there's ever been a situation where you're just a lot of dating advice out there.
	Like during the whole of the dating app, there was like a double dynamic.
	There's no universe.
	If we're looking at multiverse type shit, there is no one universe where you sleep with the guy and he doesn't want to date you.
	Take you seriously.
	Desert Joe donated $100.
	I was believing Jade and sympathetic to her story.
	Not so much now.
	She's revealed so many contradictions, it's obvious cloud chasing.
	The rest of the panel is bored with how much attention spent on her.
	I mean, I'm not sure if you're a good person.
	Thank you, Desert Joe.
	I've had my story out there for years.
	that's cool.
	So, um, it's just like, if I were in that situation of, I'm just not in that situation.
	I don't know.
	If I were in that situation, and yes, you were a good man and he was seeing me and he wanted to commit and it just happened, then it'll happen.
	I don't have.
	That's not what I'm even talking.
	I'm just.
	It's not an expectation.
	What?
	It's not an expectation.
	What's not an expectation?
	Like, I don't know.
	Whatever happens, happens.
	If he's seeing me.
	Okay, I asked you very directly: would you, if the guy wanted to sleep with you on the first date, would you do it?
	Said no.
	Second date, no.
	Third date, no.
	You said it'd have to be at least a month.
	You would need XYZ.
	You need commitment.
	You'd have to be boyfriend, girlfriend.
	You need exclusivity.
	Exclusive.
	So are these things negotiable or are they your boundaries?
	They are negotiable.
	It depends on the situation.
	What's the situation?
	What's the situation that you fuck a guy the first night you meet him?
	I would not do that.
	Well, you literally have.
	That was situational, and that was when I was younger.
	I would not do it again.
	Here, I'll give you some WHG.
	Andrew, 1 Corinthians 3:16 to 17 clearly says if you destroy God's temple, your body, God will bring judgment.
	Chain smoking harms his sacred creation.
	This is about obedience to God, not personal freedom.
	Okay, thank you, WHG.
	Appreciate it.
	It's kind of like you reward the fuck boys who don't give you commitment with immediate sex, but then you punish the guys worthy of a relationship.
	I don't think it that way.
	I always kind of shut the fuck up.
	Holy fuck, dude.
	I'm already tilted as it is having this fucking conversation, and then you gotta fucking interrupt me on top of it.
	Go stand in the fucking corner for 10 minutes.
	Okay, holy fuck.
	Yes, go stand in the fucking corner.
	Jeez.
	Let me just fucking get through.
	I've been trying for 30 fucking minutes to get to the fucking point.
	Oh my God.
	Look at Andrew.
	He likes it too.
	Okay.
	So it's like you're basically saying, I thought you were a better long-term prospect, so I treated you worse than the guy I knew who was a, well, maybe you didn't know it up front, who was an asshole and toxic.
	And it's like you're telling these guys, like, you were so important to me.
	I treated sex like it was sacred.
	But just for you, not the other guys who got it on the first or second class.
	A completely different person and in a completely different situation.
	And okay, hold on.
	That's that's fine.
	So, okay, here's an analogy.
	Here's an analogy.
	So you know about me that I used to get my ex-girlfriend flowers.
	And we, and you know what?
	She was actually just a fling.
	And she, like, she never treated me well.
	But I used to get her flowers.
	I used to take her out on expensive dates.
	I used to take her on vacation.
	But now that I'm talking to you, that was my past.
	Now we go 50-50 on everything.
	No vacations.
	No traditional treatment.
	Would you not feel like, well, hold on.
	Why did she get that sort of treatment when I'm treating him way better?
	Yeah.
	I mean, if you were hurt, I'd understand.
	Yeah, I'm just not in that position, so I can't say.
	I don't.
	Who knows?
	Maybe I will fall in love and we will do it before he's my boyfriend.
	I don't know.
	I'm not saying that.
	I think who I was back then was completely different and I made mistakes and I wouldn't make that mistake again.
	And it's also me.
	I don't want to rack up a body count and then he doesn't, he's not my boyfriend for the next few years, you know?
	Okay, I'm just going to give you a couple analogies.
	Maybe it's going to make sense.
	So, all your exes got five-star meals, but she gets McDonald's because you've turned over a new leaf and decided that money has better uses than just trying to impress people.
	Does that do it for you?
	No?
	No?
	Okay, here's an analogy.
	You really like this guy, you go on a date, everything's great, but you find out he wants to go 50-50 with you until you guys are married.
	Then you learn his last three girlfriends, he paid for everything, rent, dates, vacations.
	He even went on a date a week before he went on a date with you, and he paid the entire bill.
	How's that make you feel?
	I mean, I would be hurt.
	But also, was he hurt?
	Like, why did he change his mind?
	Did she mistreat him?
	Did she take advantage of him and only use him for his money?
	It's possible.
	It's possible.
	I'm not saying that I would say, oh no, absolutely not.
	Do not touch me.
	I just want to be cautious.
	All right.
	Okay, I'm just going to move it on.
	It's just not really going anywhere.
	But all right.
	Oh, well, now everybody's gone from the panel.
	I can't even do it.
	What do we have to do?
	Can we pull up Twitch really quick?
	I'm going to try and involve some of the other panelists.
	can you pull up twitch alright guys Go to twitch.tv/whatever dropshipping.
	Old man Maureen donated $100.
	Thank you, man.
	Many gay men report that they've been, essay, very young.
	We're seeing this issue affecting men, but we can't talk about it because the world claims they're born gay.
	Sorry for the interruption.
	Morgan.
	Yeah, thank you.
	Thank you, Old Man Maureen.
	Appreciate it, man.
	Okay.
	You can come back, Desiree.
	Maybe I'll finally be able to get through everything.
	Graffito Tact donated $100.
	Sounds like Jade isn't making decisions about sex based off of her pre-existing set of morals.
	Rather, she is still developing her sexual morals and further refining them with every sexual experience.
	Yeah, and that second situation, it wasn't the same as the first at all.
	As I said, I really thought that he was going to be my partner.
	And I shouldn't have thought that.
	That was ridiculous of me.
	But, I mean, that's why I trusted him.
	And I shouldn't have, but that's my problem: I trusted too easily.
	And I don't want to make that mistake again.
	Okay.
	Let's see.
	Let's go to Cosmic here.
	That's not your name.
	That's your thing.
	I don't know.
	You said you have personal opinions that might get you ostracized.
	Yeah, yeah.
	About what?
	Yeah, I guess.
	I don't know.
	That's all you wrote.
	Yeah, personally.
	Okay.
	You said you gave up on monitor dating.
	It's a lost cause.
	Everyone's too self-absorbed, whether in their own traumas or their own success.
	Yeah.
	I really do feel like people are not willing to make the sacrifices, whether it's refining their character.
	You know, to establish a genuine relationship.
	I honestly feel like no one knows what they want.
	People are all lost, and they're just finding distractions.
	And yeah.
	A lot of people I think are energy vampires too as well.
	All right.
	And then you.
	Well, we already talked about the sperm donor thing.
	That was already talked about.
	Let's go to sorry, I forgot.
	It's Berna.
	How do you Bernadetta?
	Okay.
	Did you want to talk a bit about differences when it came to dating American versus European men or Italian men, I guess?
	I mean, last time that I did an American, I was 17.
	So, like.
	And I feel that Americans are a little bit like going around and wook up, like, easily.
	More than Europeans, I guess.
	Sure.
	But I don't know.
	Like, it depends, just like my experience.
	So, I don't know, maybe like Europeans are more romantic, I guess.
	But I don't know.
	I'm going to come back and tell you what I found out this year.
	Okay.
	But it sounded like from what you said earlier, you kind of are looking for something more casual yourself, right?
	No, actually, right now, like, yeah, I'm not looking for anything.
	If something happened, that it's not too stressful.
	Like, it's nothing like too serious.
	Yeah, but if not, I'm fine, like, by myself, it's fine.
	Okay.
	All right.
	And then you had an age gap relationship.
	You were.
	Old man Maureen donated $100.
	Is that girl taking another shite?
	She needs to stop drinking caffeine.
	She's been gone for a minute.
	She gets, you know, look, it's, I don't know.
	Long breaks.
	Long breaks.
	Okay.
	Let's see.
	Oh, so, okay, you were 21.
	He was 38.
	Yeah, I was 22, and he was 39.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	GMD Jim donated $100.
	Andrew, heard you and you know I love you too.
	I even love the whores and thirst traps.
	I would not waste my hard-earned money if I did not.
	This world needs help and most Christians sadly will not.
	Gala Jim.
	Thank you.
	Gala Jim.
	Thank you, Jim, for the TTS, man.
	Appreciate it.
	So has anybody else here had an age gap relationship?
	Let's start here or go around the table.
	Go ahead.
	My last relationship, he was six years older than me.
	Was this the guy who shoved your head in the toilet?
	No, that wasn't a romantic relationship.
	No, I'm sorry.
	I'm sorry.
	Brian, I feel like you left some things out.
	Shoved your head in the toilet while he was fucking her up the ass.
	I just wanted to make sure we were clear on that.
	That was the other part.
	Butt stuff.
	That's cool.
	Yeah.
	Have you ever had a what's the so what's the oldest you would date I guess Probably, I'm going to be honest, like, I'm curious about the, I'm exploring the morality of, like, sugaring.
	What? I mean.
	Oh, no.
	I've never.
	I've obviously never done it.
	But.
	What is that?
	Hold on, Walt.
	You could have a relationship with an older man and it not be a sugar.
	No, but I'm just saying.
	I wouldn't be probably.
	It's not like a sugar or whatever.
	Yeah, it was like a legitimate relationship.
	But it would depend.
	The upper limit would depend.
	The upper limit would depend.
	So you date a 70-year-old for money.
	attracted to one but for money you would have sex might be i think like if i'm just dating you you're just gonna give me money to date you like not even necessarily like uh hooking up with like a like a wrinkly wow the question i asked you just kind of totally went over your head No, I'm telling you that it depends.
	The upper limit depends.
	I wouldn't be attracted to like, to, like, probably 60 plus.
	Big Sass Energy donated $100.
	Jade, by her story alone, appears to be a very emotionally and maturely delayed woman.
	I do not find her to be dishonest, but rather naive and burdened by what has been.
	Someday she will be unburdened.
	You want to respond to that quickly?
	I don't know.
	I don't agree.
	I think I've matured a lot and I am significantly different than the woman I was when I detransitioned.
	Of course, I'm still learning.
	I think we all grow through life and change.
	So, Vivian, you're saying that's your name, right?
	Yes.
	Oh, okay.
	Why did you shake your head?
	Why did you shake your head like this and then say yes?
	That was.
	Because, I mean, you kind of remember people's name.
	I understand, but it's a little rude.
	I mean, but it's okay.
	I forgive you.
	Wait, what did you say your name was again?
	Is that your ick thing?
	No.
	You do?
	No, I just.
	I'm just, like, disgraceful.
	It's like a.
	Wait, can you straighten your mic?
	It's like what?
	No.
	It's like.
	All right.
	It's just like SMH.
	You should know my name by now.
	She's infamous.
	Say my name, bitch.
	Okay, well, Vivian, I think that that's fair.
	What's my last name?
	Wilson.
	And my first name?
	Andrew.
	I just love it when you say my name.
	Well, I'm sorry that I couldn't.
	Andrew's fucking kinky.
	Wait, what did you just say?
	Andrew's kinky.
	He's like, I love when you say my name.
	Old Man Maureen, girl with diarrhea, look to your left and see what your future holds by going down the road of being a A.
	She was a hoo-a.
	B, she was a hoo-a.
	I don't have diarrhea, so I'm not sure who you're talking to.
	A chat came in while you were gone in the bathroom, and you were gone for a while, so it was just.
	They don't understand the fresh enough.
	Take a minute to yourself.
	Also, I don't know if I said this on stream.
	I said this off-stream to you, but like really disappointed with your change of hair, by the way.
	Just like, you know, Vivian.
	I've never had my hair before.
	I understand.
	It was kind of better before.
	I just.
	I don't even know what color that is.
	It's like you went halfway.
	Yeah, I did.
	You didn't finish the job.
	Yeah, I didn't want like.
	Like, you were going blonde, but like you stopped the shit too soon and you're like, fuck my shit.
	Okay, thank you.
	Did you go to the salon and you said fuck my shit up?
	Is that what you said?
	We all do that.
	You know, we all do.
	I did say fix what I did because I did half bleach my hair.
	So.
	Bro, you can't half.
	You gotta go all the way.
	You can't half.
	We do weird things when we're ovulating, okay?
	Sometimes it comes out as like we botched our hair.
	So wait, okay, the sugar date.
	Sometimes we get a tattoo of a guy.
	Okay, so you'll date a 70-year-old guy.
	What about without sugaring?
	What's the oldest guy that you would date?
	Probably under 40.
	Okay.
	Cool.
	I can fix her.
	Just kidding.
	Alright, sorry, that was stupid.
	Alright, Jade, have you had an age gap relationship?
	Yeah, five years.
	Was that the homeless guy?
	Yeah.
	All right.
	Morgan, have you had an age gap relationship?
	Age gap relationship?
	Yeah, my situation ship, we're like 10 years apart.
	Oh, okay.
	Like, you're older than him?
	No, he's older than me.
	Oh, okay.
	Age gap?
	The father of my children is 17 years older than me.
	All right.
	No.
	No.
	Okay.
	All right.
	I mean, I don't really have anything more on that one.
	How did it come?
	Oh, the age, because, yeah, I was trying to get you in on this convo here.
	Do age gap relationships give any of you the ick?
	Or do you object to age gap relationships?
	I'd prefer to date a little younger.
	It kind of gives me the ick a little.
	Aren't you?
	But it gives me the ick.
	You get the ick from your own guy or while you're not dating or whatever.
	Look, I need to get my rocks off every so often or I'm going to be really mean.
	Wait, you still hook up with the guy?
	Every so often.
	Oh, we did not.
	Hold on, let's go into this.
	So the guy who you call a sperm donor, who you hate, you guys still hook up?
	No, no, God, no.
	God.
	Oh, there's a different.
	Remember, I'm in a situation shit, and my sperm donor's completely different.
	Oh, okay.
	So, yeah, you've been in a situation ship for two years, but the eight-year guy is a sperm donor, dude.
	But you don't still hook up with him?
	No, not at all.
	Wait, the situationship for two years?
	No, it was an actual relationship.
	We lived together for a year and a half, and then it became a situationship.
	So he's like sleeping with other women?
	That, I don't know.
	Into the mic.
	That, I'm not sure.
	I don't think so.
	Really doesn't.
	It doesn't look like it.
	It doesn't act like he's.
	Does he?
	I have to really go through phones and drop it.
	Oh, are you sleeping with other people?
	Okay.
	Does he how often do you see him?
	Maybe like once every two weeks.
	Okay.
	All right.
	All right.
	Damn, I got to wait to ask this question until the whole panel's back, so I'll just wait once she's back.
	We'll get into the notes.
	Rebecca, you have quite a lot of notes here.
	I think we did all the ones for Jay.
	Austin, are there other reacts?
	Wasn't there like a video?
	Wait, there was something from Jade, like an Instagram post we were going to pull up, but she's gone.
	Can you remind me for the IG post?
	The stechroman donated $100.
	For Benedetta, how do Italians view the Roman Empire pre-395 CE?
	Good or bad?
	What's the Roman Empire pre-395?
	Straight into the mic if you can.
	What is it?
	What's the Roman Empire pre- Oh.
	Oh, the Roman Empire.
	Rome?
	That thing?
	I have no idea.
	Like, look at, like, good, I guess.
	I guess.
	Yeah, I'm not really into history stuff.
	It's not something that come up in a discussion, like in a conversation.
	What's your favorite kind of pasta?
	Spaghetti alle vongole.
	It's like clams with spaghetti.
	I think.
	Yeah.
	I don't, I'm not a big.
	Yeah, I do cook very well, but I don't eat pasta.
	Like, I'm not a very big fan of pasta.
	I don't like pasta either.
	I'm not a big positive pasta.
	Yeah, I do cook.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Rebecca, getting into your notes here.
	Let's see.
	There's a lot, so I don't know if we'll get to everything, but 41 years old, gamer, streamer, damn good in the domestic sense, college educated, fully employed, two-income household, married kids, all that.
	Partridge in a pear tree.
	You wanted to talk about double standards, the dating market, why sleeping around glorified in society.
	Okay.
	Was there.
	Of your notes, I mean, I could kind of go through them on my own, but what are some of the big ones that you kind of wanted to get into?
	Let's see.
	A big one that I would love to hear everyone's take on is women have flocked to social media to ask the question, where have all the good men gone?
	My sort of top ones as to why that happens is: number one, they're staying away from you, whoever is asking that question.
	Two, they're still around.
	You're still just not looking in the right places.
	Three, have you explored the choices in men you are making, only experiencing the bad guys or shitty men?
	Take a step back, review your choice, the choices you are making.
	Four, they're probably taken.
	Five, modern feminism is killing chivalry, commonly associated with good men.
	Six, good men are choosing to stay single and put themselves first before relationships.
	The current dating climate is keeping them from willingly choosing any woman or being more selective about who they choose.
	And number seven, men are being more vocal about their standards, just as women have done.
	Shocker, men have standards.
	Who knew?
	Dripping with sarcasm.
	Anyway, that's one of the ones I wanted to discuss.
	Takes.
	I completely agree with you there, actually.
	Like, since I have two daughters, and they're trying to follow these TikTok trends, and they think it's cute to wear these crop tops and do all this free pro-feminist movement and all that and whatever.
	And it's like, at the end of the day, you are your self-representative.
	Unfortunately, this is a kind of vain world.
	People are going to look at you first and see how you represent yourself.
	And the way you carry yourself is what you attract.
	I do believe that if you want to attract a good man, you need to carry yourself as a good woman.
	You need to act like a good woman.
	I guess I don't know how these standards are to people because everybody has different standards, but I completely agree.
	I'm pretty sure a man doesn't want a woman who's half-dressed all the time or who's like, um, who's very, like, I guess, too masculine or too, too masculine, or too vocal, or too, you know, firecracker popping off all the time like that.
	So, yeah, I agree with everything you say.
	I'll come back to some of your notes really quick.
	Can you pull up that Instagram post?
	Yeah, it's like a chart with something, I don't know.
	You know what I'm talking about?
	Yep.
	Jade, I believe you posted this somewhere.
	Is this correct?
	Probably.
	I could have sworn.
	What women think men want in women, financial stability, confidence, successful, high-earning career, ambitious, challenging, strong, independent?
	What men actually want in women, fit body, kindness, supportive, hardworking, agreeable, peaceful, sweet, interdependent.
	Real men want traditional women.
	I agree.
	I mean, any disagreements from anyone on the panel here?
	I have a question by one.
	When we speak of traditional, by what means are we talking like the 1950s type of traditional like lifestyle?
	Or what is how are we measuring traditional?
	I mean, there's different ways.
	Examples.
	Example of a traditional relationship or a traditional couple would be typically a male or a man that brings home the bread, so to speak, provides.
	And the woman, so I referenced it earlier: a man that would take care of an outer, the outer world for a woman, and the man would take care of his inner, being caring, being supportive, taking care of his family, taking care of the home.
	Those are the inners, like where he lives, you know, where he puts his hat, you know what I mean?
	And the man will, in order to allow her to do that, will provide for her to do that.
	Bring home the income to give her the home for her to support.
	So it's a give and take.
	It's a balance.
	I have a thing on that too.
	So, relationships, men and women are all about balance.
	Yin and yang, can you hear me okay if I'm talking like this?
	Science, or excuse me, yin and yang, science, nature, the world in general thrives off balance.
	Hot, cold scales tips it off.
	If it goes off, if it goes off the scale, it tips.
	Relationships are no different.
	Know your role, learn to adapt into it as needed.
	If you bring home the bread, he cleans and manages the home.
	If he earns the bread, then you manage the home.
	It's unrealistic to expect he's going to come home being the sole breadwinner and help clean the house or cook the meals.
	It's logically realistic to balance that scale.
	If you both are bringing home the income, then balance the workload at home.
	This is different for part-time versus full-time, obviously, so it's fluid as we discussed earlier.
	As I was going to say, it's all fluid.
	It's not so black and white.
	The point is to be versatile and be willing to slide into what's needed for the partnership.
	When you're solo, that's a different story.
	But when you're together, it's all about what's good for the family.
	It should not be what he or she can do for me or give me.
	It's about what I can do.
	It's about what I can do for them.
	It should be what value can I bring as a partner to this person?
	Why should they want me in their life?
	Thoughts?
	Hmm.
	Agree.
	Yeah, I agree as well.
	Especially being vertical, trying to see what I can bring to the like, you know, into the table in order to make this partnership work, especially if you want it to be long-lasting.
	Like I mentioned earlier, I think people are a little too self-absorbed, and not a lot of people are willing to do this.
	And I feel like nowadays dating is just a distraction from the oppression of whatever we're going through in life.
	Let's go to Vivian's notes here.
	You said if a young woman dates an older man for money, is that prostitution?
	Oh, yeah, that was an old one.
	Oh, is that old?
	Did you provide new?
	And it's and well, okay.
	You said, oh, you had a disagreement with Andrew on women's rights being made up.
	Oh, that was also old.
	Yeah, but you didn't, you wanted to have the convo with Andrew.
	I think it's worth having that one.
	Men's body, we'll come back to that one.
	We will get to it.
	But before we do, just since we have everybody finally back at the table here, I do want to go around the table on this.
	This ties back into the stiffler question.
	So, do you think you will be better looking in 10 years' time?
	I don't necessarily know that I'll be better looking, but I trust that I will feel better about how I look because that's just the trajectory that I'm on.
	That I've enjoyed aging and I feel better and better about myself.
	And then, were you better looking at 29 than you are now at 39?
	No.
	Were you better looking at 19 than you are now at 39?
	No.
	Okay.
	So, as far as 10 years from now at 49 compared to 39, about the same.
	Better looking, worse looking?
	Maybe about the same.
	What about 59?
	I'm trying to think of my grandma's.
	About the same.
	I mean, obviously, there's going to be signs of aging, so it's just a matter of where culture and society is at the time.
	We are coming, circling back around to a more natural beauty.
	It definitely, it's a cool time to be in the modeling industry right now, I'll say that.
	And I know lots of women who are 10 years.
	I'm not playing industry.
	Yeah, I'm a model.
	I'm a professional model.
	I got into OnlyFans because I was first a model.
	So I had a high demand for that.
	Essentially, I'm like the modern version of a Playboy bunny.
	Oh, we could, Andrew, we could hear you.
	I'm sorry about that.
	Okay.
	Vivian.
	Will you be better looking in 10 years' time?
	Not sexually to men, no.
	Watch!
	Better looking to women then?
	Well, you can, I mean, you can see, you could say some people age like fine wine, so and I plan on doing that, but I think sexually, like, youth is like a big thing that I tend to see like men liking, so I don't think, you know.
	Okay, all right.
	Um, watch out, Brian donated $100.
	FYI, after her podcast appearance a few weeks ago, Ava has accused you of underhanded debate tactics and has flouted the idea of doing an expose on you.
	Potential Judas in your midst, brothers before hose.
	Thank you for the heads up.
	I mean, she's going to expose me for alleged underhanded debate tactics.
	I'm not sure what that would even be referring to.
	I look for, I mean, oh, come on, Brian.
	Women can't debate.
	Let's, I mean, let's what would be underhanded about it, right?
	It's like men can debate and women can't.
	That would be the underhanded tactics.
	Yeah, this is the girl who, like, we got somebody, whatever.
	And she basically whatever.
	Okay.
	Jade, better looking in 10 years' time?
	No.
	Okay.
	Do you think you'll be better looking in 10 years time?
	I'm going to look the same.
	Look the same?
	So you're 23?
	Yeah.
	You'll look the same at 33.
	I mean, I'm planning to, like, do sports and keep myself in a good shape.
	So I hope that I'm going to look okay with some kind of differences, but.
	What about 20 years' time?
	So 43?
	Yeah, maybe I did that.
	Maybe I'm gonna look older, but it doesn't mean that I'm gonna look bad.
	Morgan?
	Um, 28, I think, yeah.
	Okay, yeah, so you're 27.
	Uh, do you think you'll be better looking at 37?
	Yes, into the mic, please.
	Yes, I think so.
	Um, only well, Lol Paladin's donated $100.02.
	Modern Playboy Bunny.
	It sucks to hear about Ava.
	She was cute to bring her back to debate.
	I mean, we'd be.
	Well, hang on.
	Hang on.
	You should bring.
	If Ava's really going to do an expose, then let me offer Ava a debate on, well, basically any topic that she wants, and she can come do it in the whatever studio 1v1.
	And then she can't complain about the underhanded debate tactics, right?
	Yeah, I'm down to do it.
	I'm down to do it.
	She can come on and voice her criticisms.
	Lol Paladin, sorry that we didn't.
	I just set up the thing, so it should be fine if you want to send it in.
	My bad.
	My bad.
	With the special trigger or whatever.
	So better looking at 37?
	Yes.
	Better looking at 47?
	Yes.
	Better looking at 57?
	Now I'm thinking I'll stay the same.
	I would like, because that's the other thing.
	So 57 is like peak or whatever.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	And then you're 27 now.
	Do you think you're better looking now at 27 than you were at 18?
	Yeah.
	Yes, because I had a real big baby face, and I feel like I'm kind of growing out of it.
	Okay.
	And then you're 41, better looking at 51?
	No.
	And then you're 41.
	Were you better looking at 31?
	Yes.
	Were you better looking at 21?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Anissa, 19, better looking in 10 years' time?
	Maybe the same.
	Maybe the same.
	But not after that.
	All right.
	You know what?
	I want to.
	Sometimes I'll hear, well, you know, these men, they age better, whatever.
	I actually want to show a photo of young Brian.
	Watch out, Brian, donated $100.
	Sorry, to clarify, the expose she's publicly teased on her channel would be about your personal history.
	Considering you're a chill dude, it seems to be a bridge too far to dig up your past like that.
	Oh, you mean you mean female innuendo and slander instead of actually debating any topics of substance?
	It's just that Brian Bat.
	Brian Bat.
	Brian Bat.
	You know, it's really funny, too, is like all the resources which are available to male streamers where they could do something counter to that.
	They could literally hire PIs, dive into a woman's past, look up their exes, bring them on, do horrible things to them, and they don't.
	Isn't that interesting?
	Yeah, it is interesting.
	I mean, when it comes to this Ava girl, I don't really remember most of the content of most of the conversations I have because I have so many of them.
	I don't think.
	Andrew, were you on that panel?
	Is the redhead who was sitting here?
	I'm trying to.
	Is that that Jessica Rabbit?
	No, no, no.
	It was.
	It was.
	I'm trying to think which.
	You might have not been on that.
	I'm trying to remember when it was.
	It was Dating Talk 191.
	So you were not on this panel.
	Okay, you were not on that panel, Andrew.
	It was the redhead.
	So wait, so who was there with you?
	It was just me.
	It was just me.
	There's no like other people.
	So wait, so you versus an entire panel.
	And there's going to be underhanded debate tactics, huh?
	Or Brian, Brian, why didn't you just tie yourself up and let them beat you half to death with sticks while you just stood there and took it?
	I mean, how dare you ever speak a word on your own show, especially to the goddess women?
	Yeah, I don't know.
	Yeah.
	That's kind of weird, though.
	Like, why not just debate the actual what she disagreed with me on?
	I don't even think there was much of a major back and forth between me and her, though.
	The only thing was, before the show, she kind of like was like talking to one of the guests and then made the guest feel uncomfortable about being on the show essentially.
	And then the guest left before the show.
	Yeah, but I'm sure.
	I'm sure that that was your fault somehow, Brian.
	I mean, let's begin.
	Okay, well, I appreciate the heads up.
	If she's going to make it, she's going to make it.
	But okay.
	She's going to do an expose on Brian Alice.
	All right, go ahead.
	Or don't go ahead.
	I can't wait to tear it to pieces.
	It should be a lot of fun.
	Hail and well met.
	Lol Paladins donated $100.02.
	You women need a dose of reality because no one is giving you pushback.
	But you all just need to hear this.
	No one looks better at 57 than 27.
	No one stop being silly.
	Fix your thinking.
	You are wrong.
	You know what's crazy, though?
	Lol Paladins, thank you, man.
	Appreciate that.
	I won't derail the conversation on this too long.
	Is the malevolence of women is that I've had numerous like heated debates with women on the show, and it never occurred to me to like try to ruin their life because I disagreed with them.
	But there have been plenty of women who have come on the show who I've actually not even done any, like not even said anything really mean or offensive to them, who just have this desire.
	This is how, I mean, this is how women operate.
	Basically, reputation destruction.
	I just find that very interesting.
	But Brian, wait a second.
	Hang on.
	I need you to understand why you're in the wrong here.
	You're in the wrong because women are born perfect angels, ontologically perfect in every single conceivable way, which is possible.
	And then what happens is a mean old man comes and corrupts their ultimate purity and their perfectness and turns them into, like Desiree over here, some sort of perverse monster.
	But it's really men's fault.
	They had nothing to do with it.
	It's men's fault, Brian.
	Yeah, it's true.
	Anyways, so where was I?
	I don't know.
	What were we talking about?
	Oh, we were going to pull up.
	Wait, okay.
	No, there's two photos.
	There's like the face photos.
	Did you see those?
	Yes.
	Let's pull up the two, and then we'll pull up my photos from when I was young or whatever.
	Of the wish two photos?
	Of you?
	No, no, no, no.
	So I'm pretty sure there's like transition photos of women from like 20, 30, 40, 50.
	think those are there.
	While you guys are waiting, if you can, go to twitch.tv slash whatever and drop us a follow.
	Okay, so yeah, this is the one.
	I think there's another one too, but we'll stay with this one.
	So 20s, 30s, 40s, 50s, 60s.
	So, I mean, I'm assuming this has been like computer altered and it's not actually like.
	It is interesting, though, that I don't know.
	Thought I'd pull that up.
	People just get that's with no anti-aging, like no, that's just normal.
	No cream.
	Truth be told, she, I mean, okay.
	Is there another one?
	Is there another one that's kind of like no, You can't get out.
	You can't, you can't show.
	It's okay.
	No, that's another one.
	And just to be clear, guys, when I'm talking about Ava, it's not the Ava who's been sitting here.
	It's the one who was on one episode.
	She sat across Redhead.
	Is there another one or is that?
	That's it.
	Oh, okay.
	Then you can just pull up my Instagram.
	Did we already pull this up on stream?
	Yes.
	Okay, let's pull it up.
	And scroll all the way to the bottom.
	Okay, this is like young Brian here.
	Tank top photo.
	I think I was 23 here.
	Yeah, I think I was 23.
	I'm 35 now.
	X out of it.
	Scroll down a bit.
	Scroll down.
	Scroll down.
	Is that all the way?
	Yeah.
	Okay, scroll back up.
	It's like, even I was better looking when I was younger.
	I disagree.
	Okay.
	That's what I'm saying.
	I agree, but I think it's more about the shape.
	Like your face, it looks the same.
	It's more like you carry yourself perfectly.
	So if you go for fun and do something like that.
	I'm not judging you.
	You should bully me.
	Bully me.
	No, no, I'm not saying that, but I feel like in your 20s, 30s, and until, I don't know, 40, your face, it's kind of the same with some differences, but you can feel like being shaped.
	Yeah, I gotta lose weight.
	I can feel it.
	I gotta lose age.
	As I age, our taste changes.
	Likewise, I think.
	What were you saying?
	Somebody said something.
	I don't know.
	See, Dutch Jessica Rabbit donated $100.
	Why do men age like wine and women age like milk?
	It's all the years of breastfeeding, maybe.
	We got spoiled.
	Why do men age like wine?
	Bro, I'm literally the Dutch.
	Oh, it's Tamara.
	Hey, Tamara, good to see you in the chat.
	I appreciate you a good sport.
	I was a little tilted.
	I was a little tilted.
	She's so beautiful.
	I was a bit tilted when you were on the show, so I appreciate the TTS.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	That's the girl who I got tilted.
	I like her.
	I like her.
	Yeah, she's nice.
	She's nice.
	Yeah.
	Well, but Desiree, I don't think you two would ever get along.
	I did get the feeling from the Dutch Jessica Rabbit that she was somewhat stable and probably would not want to enter into any sort of friendship with an absolute psychopath such as yourself.
	So it just my take on that.
	Wait, pull it up again, Austin.
	Pull up my Instagram again.
	He says men that age like.
	I'm sorry, bruv.
	I was better looking.
	Scroll up a bit.
	Wait, scroll down, scroll down.
	What are you actually waiting for?
	Click the one in the black and the white.
	The black and white one.
	Bruv.
	Hold on.
	You look like my son.
	This guy.
	Hold on.
	Hold on, put it up again.
	Attracted to that.
	That's creepy.
	I can't even.
	When I was that age.
	Look at these fucking eye bags.
	Look at that.
	I got fucking my face is all red from fucking stress and cortisol.
	Fame.
	Fame.
	So it's like I'm a grown man.
	It's annoying, maybe, as my bags are coming in, too.
	I have more grace.
	I'm just saying, man.
	I'm just saying I was better looking.
	It shows how a hard worker you are.
	You are such a freaking hard worker.
	It's starting to show.
	And now we can recognize that.
	Okay, all right.
	Men have a lot of stress.
	Yeah, so I was better looking when I was younger because I. Y'all, you were adorable.
	No, you're a different vibe back then.
	That was like a badge.
	Look at these fucking chubby cheeks, the chubby cheeks, the fucking red.
	Listen, you make me feel more beautiful about myself.
	So that's very fucking RizGot.
	RizGot.
	It's a lot of fun.
	It's a gas to me.
	I don't know.
	Maybe that's a.
	I'm impervious to your.
	You were good looking then.
	You're good looking now.
	It's a different vibe.
	It's just.
	Right?
	It's a different vibe.
	You've got the mature vibe about you.
	It's the daddy vibe.
	You definitely have to do that.
	I mean, I lose my mind.
	Daddy vibe.
	I'm not sure if I, I think I, I don't know.
	I don't think.
	Okay, anyways, let's let's get through some more stuff here.
	Uh, Vivian, we're gonna go to Vivian.
	Vivian, it's like an aunt name, Vivian.
	Vivian.
	Victorian and was your mother a fan of Pretty Woman?
	Vivian.
	Uh, I don't think, no, I don't think so.
	So Andrew's dying to have this back and forth with you, Vivian.
	Her name was Vivian.
	Vivian.
	Hey, and well met.
	Yo, thank you for watching.
	La Patian's donated $100.02.
	Oh, I like the one that was Maddie's friend that pretended not to speak English.
	ScrewfakeWitch.com Ava, figuratively speaking.
	Don't bring her back.
	She was boring.
	I rescind my previous TTS.
	Wait, what?
	Screw, figure.
	Don't bring her back.
	She's boring or something.
	Oh, La Paladins.
	Thank you, man.
	Appreciate it.
	I like the one that was Maddie's friend that pretended not to speak.
	Wait.
	Oh, the other Ava, yeah.
	Remember, you're not going to be able to do that.
	We'll get her back on.
	That's cute.
	See, Dutch Jessica Rabbit donated $100.
	No, we will not be friends like Andrew is saying.
	Thanks you for the compliment.
	You look cute too.
	Brian, good tools hang under a canopy, so you are fine.
	What does that mean?
	Good tools hang under tools hang under a canopy.
	Are you talking about like the belly?
	Maybe the tools are going to be.
	Oh, yeah, maybe your belly.
	Your belly.
	She's talking about the body.
	Oh, your dick.
	And your dick is covered with a damn thing.
	She says I can't eat.
	She says I have a fupa?
	Well, let's call it a.
	Let's call it a dad belly.
	They also call it the dad.
	A dad.
	Maybe that's from eating all the women on your show.
	Energetically.
	It landed in your gut.
	Your chakra is just a little fucked up.
	You want to clear that for you?
	Let me clear your chakra for you.
	You'll just lose the weight.
	So, okay, Vivian, women's rights being made up.
	This is a conversation you wanted to have with Andrew.
	Go ahead.
	Well, we did already.
	So me and you actually, I feel like you defended it well.
	And I just thought that there was like something more being implied, but it was just stating the obvious.
	So I just was like reading too much into it.
	So I don't really.
	I don't really.
	This is like a pass.
	You wanted to say men's body count and women's body count don't have different value.
	Otherwise, that's a double standard.
	I mean, you said you agreed with that last.
	No, I don't.
	You said it's not morally worse for.
	Well, okay.
	I mean, I've remembered what I'm saying.
	So, yeah, let me clarify what I mean.
	I don't.
	So a man that has a body count of 300 is not morally better than a woman who has a body count of 300.
	Not to say that they're impacted differently by Andrew, any thoughts on the moral component of this?
	Yeah, so, well, let's dive in.
	When you say moral, what does that mean to you?
	I mean, the it shouldn't it's not the moral badness, the metric for you to say it's bad or good?
	The metric for bad or good.
	Morality?
	Yeah, different.
	Okay, well, what's bad mean to you?
	So it's the same question as what does moral mean to you?
	But what does bad mean?
	What's bad?
	I have different things that I find bad and good.
	I judge different things differently.
	Hold on.
	But I would say that it's it for me, it's how much it's the impacts of something.
	Ah, well, then you can't say it's immoral.
	So if the idea here is that the impact and the impact being like the outcome is negative, right?
	It's how much it like damages another person.
	Okay, well then all you need to do is demonstrate why it is that male promiscuity, which women don't seem to care about, is bad for men, whereas female promiscuity, which men do seem to care about, isn't bad for women?
	No, well, I'm saying that it's not, it's equal.
	I'm saying it's equal.
	I'm saying.
	Yeah, but that doesn't make any sense.
	So your idea here is outcomes.
	Well, your idea here is outcomes, right?
	So the outcome bad.
	Outcome bad, therefore bad.
	You hurt more people because of your gender.
	You're sleeping with the same amount of people.
	It's the same amount of...
	Yeah, I get that.
	I get that.
	I get all that, that you're sleeping with the same amount of people.
	So it's not fair.
	I understand that.
	But when I asked you what is bad, you said if the outcome is negative, that's a bad thing.
	Is that right?
	Yeah.
	Okay, so if we're going off of the outcome is bad, all I need you to do is explain to me why it is that when men sleep with a lot of women, women don't care.
	But when women sleep with a lot of men, men care.
	So it seems like the outcome for women, so if we're going off of outcomes, it seems like if that is the case, that women sleeping with a lot of men is bad, and men sleeping with a lot of women is not bad because the outcome, right?
	Is there a question?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, so here's the question.
	Do you think that women care more about men sleeping with a lot of women or what?
	So from your view, man sleeps with 20 women.
	Do you think that women see that as the same as if a woman sleeps with 20 men to a man?
	I think that men, society does not judge men as much, or men don't judge other men as much, but I think men have an animosity towards women with high body counts.
	They have a negative preference.
	They don't, they tend to.
	So men have a negative preference towards women with a high body count, but women don't have a negative preference towards men with a high body count.
	So it seems like the outcome then would be bad for women to have a high body count, but not bad for men to have a high body count.
	So therefore, by your preferences, it would be immoral for women to have a high body count, but not for men.
	I don't, that's, I disagree that that's a good cool.
	So the act itself of a woman sleeping with 300 people versus a man sleeping with 300 people is morally equal.
	Yeah, you just keep saying that, but when I ask you what moral is, you say it's an outcome which is negative, or that's what immoral is, that's what bad is.
	Outcome negative.
	But if a man sleeps with 300 women and women don't care, how is that a negative outcome?
	Just because men judge women more for that particular thing doesn't mean it's morally bad at the action.
	Because if, because it's the same, if a man is to sleep with 300 women and or if a woman is to sleep with 300 men or you know bodies, I think that the action in of itself it should be judged the same.
	It's not.
	But just because it's judged the same doesn't mean it's worse.
	Let's, let's make sure we're clear on this.
	What is immoral and is bad is outcome bad right the, the direct outcome of the, the direct impact.
	So yeah yeah, so that's bad, right.
	So therefore immoral right yeah, if it's bad, that's immoral yeah okay, got it so.
	So if a man sleeps with 300 women but no women care, how could that possibly be bad?
	I'm not even saying that sleeping with people is bad inherently.
	I don't think it's bad inherently.
	I'm saying I think they should be judged equally for it.
	Yeah, but that doesn't make any sense.
	Do you think women should be judged more?
	If you say, thing is bad because outcome, bad, but the outcome is not bad, then how can you say it's immoral?
	I think what you're saying is because men, because there's more of a repercussion for women socially, it affects women more.
	But that's not the direct, that's a secondary reaction to the act.
	The act itself is morally the same.
	It's just that men happen to understand how it could be moral.
	So so here let's isolate it, okay.
	So if you're you're on an island with um, let's say it's one man and 20 women and he sleeps with all of the women and all of the women want to sleep with him and he wants to sleep with all of them.
	Okay, and all of the women think he's great and he thinks all of them are great.
	Has any bad action or immoral action taken place here?
	No okay, great.
	Now let us assume for a second that there's one woman and 20 men and the more men she sleeps with, the more other men rebuff her and say she's bad, they don't want anything to do with her.
	Has a bad action taken place here?
	No, that's just a preference, is well?
	Then I don't know what you mean by bad.
	Then I don't know.
	I don't know what bad is the outcome.
	If the outcome for the person is bad, but that's still not bad right, or it's negative and it's still not bad, then I don't know what bad means.
	I don't know what immoral means to you here.
	So if by society me, wearing blue is considered bad, wearing blue isn't inherently bad, but it's considered.
	This is inherently bad.
	Is there anything that's inherently bad?
	I think, yeah, I actually have a moral code.
	What is it?
	So tell me what's what, give me a single thing that's inherently bad.
	So if I deem something unjust, it's objective.
	It's subjective.
	So you're the moral arbiter of all that is bad?
	I make up my own morals, no.
	So you're the moral arbiter of all that is bad?
	I just said no.
	Okay, well then who is?
	We make up morals.
	So then that would mean that you're the arbiter of all that is bad, right?
	If not you, then who?
	I don't know that there's an arbiter of all that is bad.
	I don't know what you're talking about.
	Well, then what is bad?
	If you just say everything that's bad is everything.
	Lol Paladins donated $100.02.
	We don't need to talk how many people are going to be able to do that.
	We're in the middle of something.
	And I've slept with over 300 women.
	And I've had no bad outcome at all ever.
	It's only been good outcomes.
	Yeah, so back to this real quick.
	Do you just judge bad by what goes against your preferences?
	No, I have a code, a moral code.
	Okay, and so the code that you live by is appealing to who for what is bad?
	I try and look at it objectively.
	I try and say, if I wouldn't want this happening to me, then I probably shouldn't do it.
	And I try and zoom out.
	Okay, so whose preferences are you following?
	Oh, my God.
	My own.
	Your own.
	Okay, and so if something doesn't align with those preferences, it's bad, right?
	No, I'm saying if, no, actually, I'm saying if it affects someone, if I, if it's not a good idea.
	Okay, so let me make this super clear.
	So Desiree says, no, this is bad.
	You say it's good.
	What makes you right and her wrong?
	Well, she can have her preference, her opinion.
	What makes you right in her wrong, though?
	The way you argue it.
	The logic.
	What?
	Yeah, if you're going to try and, that's how you prove things.
	So let's say, okay.
	So let's say Desiree says, sleeping with a corpse is okay.
	And you say, no, it's wrong.
	What makes you right and her wrong?
	If I say, if you were a corpse, well, if I say, I think, like, we can all agree that if we were corpses, we would not want to.
	Wait, so we appeal to we all for what is moral?
	So if we all say it's okay to like beat a person to death, that's now moral.
	What?
	If we all say it's okay to beat a person to death, and that's moral, then?
	Well, we make up what is moral and what is not immoral.
	So if we make up what is moral, and Desiree says X thing is moral, how could you ever tell her she's wrong?
	You argue it like we're doing right now with why even if you were right would that make what she's saying immoral?
	Even if your argument was, even if she was, so let's say through argumentation, you were able to come to the conclusion that this thing over here, I have an inconsistent take with it, that still wouldn't demonstrate why it's wrong.
	Isn't that a law of logic that if it's self-contradicting, isn't that a...
	No, that's not a contradiction.
	Well, okay, so what?
	If you can say something's inconsistent, it's not a contradiction.
	So here, let me help you out here.
	Somebody goes up and they grab a raccoon, a dead raccoon, off the road and they have sex with it.
	Tell me why that's wrong.
	Other than, other than, because I don't like it.
	Because animals can't consent.
	They don't have to consider it.
	Why is that important?
	Why is that important?
	So that we don't do that to raccoons, I guess.
	Yeah, but it's dead.
	Why would you need it to consent?
	Because we respect the debt as a...
	What do you mean we?
	I'm sorry.
	Obviously, the person doing it doesn't.
	Yes, that is.
	Why are they wrong?
	Why are they doing something that's wrong?
	They deemed it as wrong.
	And we have reasons that we deem it as wrong.
	What do you keep saying we for?
	What are your reasons?
	What are your reasons for why it's wrong?
	Why is it wrong for him to do that?
	Why?
	You just keep saying we.
	That doesn't mean anything.
	Why do you think it's wrong for him to do that?
	If I was a, well, if a raccoon has the, I mean, wait, a dead raccoon.
	So that's a dead thing.
	So if I was a dead corpse, I would not want to be essayed.
	So that's where I go to the morning.
	Yeah, but so why should we give to your preference for what you would want?
	Why is what you want what is moral?
	Because if we all treat each other how we want to be treated, so it's all consensus.
	Back to consensus.
	We all, us, we, most of us.
	Is morality consensus or is morality you?
	Morality is a discourse.
	What?
	Wait, so wait, so as long as we all agree on something, it's moral?
	It's a word to describe if we think it's bad or good.
	Okay, so we, meaning collectively.
	The people who speak English.
	So wait, wait, I just want to make sure I got this right.
	If most of us think a thing is moral, it is moral.
	It's considered moral.
	Is it moral?
	I don't believe that there's inherent posit.
	I mean, animals kill animals all the time.
	That's why, I mean, animals do horrible things, they're not, but we don't consider them evil.
	It's all coming any closer to what is moral.
	Who determines what is moral?
	How do we determine that?
	Is that just based on consensus then?
	Yeah.
	Okay, so if it's just based on consensus, then the Aztec Empire, the consensus was it was okay to take a person on top of a pyramid, cut their chest open, pull their heart out, and sacrifice it to the sun god.
	Most of them agreed that that was moral.
	That was moral, correct?
	No.
	Why?
	We don't.
	We don't think that.
	They did.
	They did.
	All of them did.
	There is no morality if there's no humans.
	There's no one to judge it if it's not.
	They thought it was moral.
	Why do you say it was moral?
	Why is it moral for them to do that?
	Andrew, it's a judgment that a person makes.
	That's why I'm saying we.
	I'm talking about the human race.
	So you.
	You mean you.
	People think conscious brains make judgments.
	That's what morality is.
	Okay, so morality is conscious brains making judgments.
	So if all the conscious brains make the judgment that sacrificing a person on top of a pyramid and cutting their heart out and sacrificing it to Raw is okay, then it's okay, right?
	Well, I don't think anything is inherently bad or good.
	It's what we decide.
	So we evolved.
	And if you must decide to take a guy up on top of a pyramid, cut their fucking heart out and sacrifice it to the sun god.
	That's okay.
	I would say they had flawed logic.
	I would say they had flawed logic and they were probably calling religious people stop Desiree.
	Show me what they did, which was illogical.
	Well, I'm going based off of treat others how you would want to be treated, which I think is a good moral mode.
	They want to have their heart cut out or given to the sun god.
	They want that.
	It's consensual.
	It's part of their culture.
	I don't see the bad one.
	Can you let her talk, Desiree?
	We don't need you involved.
	I promise.
	Can we just finish our combo?
	We're almost done.
	So what is actually wrong if the guy says cut my heart out and they all cut his heart out?
	What is actually wrong with that?
	I'm not going to honestly say that you're a bad person if you commit suicide.
	So hang on.
	Now, let's say he's the one guy on planet Earth, one guy who doesn't want his heart cut out.
	All of the rest of humanity does.
	Why should he not have his heart cut out?
	There's no grander judgment that you can make.
	There's no objective judgment.
	There is no objective judgment.
	Do I give a shit about anything you say when you say to me there's no objective morality?
	There's no objective judgment.
	There's no objective.
	Let me ask you a question.
	There's no objective morality, correct?
	Not in my opinion.
	Is that objective?
	No, it's an opinion.
	Yes, right.
	So it's not even objective then either, right?
	So if morality is just this objective tripe and you can just come up with whatever the fuck you want and it's just all based on consensus, then if the consensus says that men can fuck as many women as they want and women can't fuck as many men as they want, how can you give me a single objection to that?
	If it's it may be considered, I can disagree with it personally.
	I can say I have a different logic that I follow.
	Great.
	Give me the logic that you follow that if the consensus says it's perfectly acceptable for men to fuck 500 women and it's not even acceptable for women to fuck one woman.
	Give me the logic that shows that that would be wrong in some way.
	My logic would be it's a double standard.
	Yeah, what's wrong with a double standard?
	Well, I think people should be treated equally to the best, you know.
	Yeah, but why should they be?
	Because I think that's what's in the best interest for people who are the ultimate arbiter of morality, right?
	My morality, yeah.
	Yeah, so you're, so you, you personally are the ultimate arbiter of morality.
	Of my morality.
	Of my morality.
	What?
	I make my own opinions.
	Right.
	So you, so wait.
	So if all of society said if men fuck 500 women, that's fine.
	But if women fuck one man, that's not fine.
	You would dissent and disagree and say all of them were doing something immoral, right?
	Yeah, I disagree with you.
	So then who is the ultimate arbiter of morality?
	No one.
	You.
	It has to be you.
	That's a logical, that's a logical entailment.
	If all other human beings disagree with your logic, and you said logic is how you come to this, right?
	You say, okay, all of you are wrong.
	I am the ultimate arbiter of what is moral.
	You're all wrong, and you shouldn't be doing this, right?
	No, I would make an argument.
	I wouldn't deem, I wouldn't say you're wrong no matter what.
	And then they say, fuck off, we're going to do it anyway.
	If they made an argument that I was like, you know what?
	Yeah, you're right.
	Then I would change my mind.
	No, no, no.
	You say, no, you're not right.
	All of you are wrong.
	I still have to do that.
	I haven't heard a good argument.
	I haven't heard a good argument for it.
	Yeah.
	All of your, I just want to let you, so that you understand.
	All of your morality, everything that you're considering moral right now is just coming from preferences.
	You're just saying, it doesn't align with my preferences.
	If it doesn't align with what I prefer, then it's immoral.
	You keep on saying things like, well, you would have to logically convince me.
	But why is logic even important?
	Can you even tell me why it's important?
	Because it's measurable.
	Logic is measurable?
	That's yes.
	Well, tell me how do you measure logic?
	No, like you try and prove things by measuring by measurements, like saying you are not taller, like deduction, like you use deduction and all these, like, it's a math.
	Logic is a math.
	It's mathematics.
	That would be induction.
	Not deduction.
	That would be induction.
	But how do you measure?
	How do you measure logic?
	Like, how, like, is it?
	Logic is going to be fluid.
	Shut up, Desiree.
	It's not your turn.
	Is logic six feet tall?
	Well, we say that tall, it means you are, you know, you stand physically higher.
	So if you were to measure and someone has a lower height, then you can say with your logic, because you measured them, that they are shorter than the other person.
	Why would that be logical?
	Deduction.
	You measured it.
	I don't understand.
	Why is measurement logical?
	Because it's objective.
	What's objective?
	It's literally subjective.
	Okay, tell me what's objective about an inch.
	Taller and shorter is an objective measurement size.
	Really?
	Okay, give me the exact measurement then for tall.
	No, you can consider something taller.
	Oh, you can't.
	Wait, wait, hang on.
	Hang on.
	I just want to make sure I got this right.
	What is the objective measurement for tall?
	Oh, if it's the length, if you measure something of its height.
	Yeah, what is the logically objective measurement for tall?
	It would be taller.
	Yeah, it would be relative.
	You guys have three minutes on this, and then I got to move it on.
	Yeah, I'm almost done, but what is the logically objective metric for tall again?
	A bigger number versus a smaller number.
	Yeah, but okay, so what is tall, though?
	A bigger, bigger.
	No, no, the baseline.
	What is the baseline for tall?
	There's no baseline for tall.
	Everything.
	How do you know?
	Well, wait.
	I'm sorry.
	So then, how is tall is an objective?
	How is tall a logical objective metric then if there's no baseline for it?
	It's a dis tall is a you can use it as an adjective or you can say this is taller than this like my house is not taller.
	I understand taller than meaning this thing bigger than this.
	So that's objective.
	I got that, but you said there's an objective measurement for what is tall.
	No, I didn't say that.
	Oh, so it's subjective?
	What is tall?
	It's tall compared to you.
	It's a descriptive.
	No, but what's the baseline for what is tall?
	It's a descriptor, so there is no baseline for tall.
	So it's just subjective, right?
	If it's an adjective and you're describing it?
	Well, I mean, adjective is subjective, right?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, everything is subjective in your worldview, right?
	You can measure things.
	Well, I don't understand.
	That would be subjective.
	Measurement is subjective.
	Desert Joe donated $100.
	Is it immoral for women to discriminate against short men?
	Is it immoral for men to discriminate against fat women?
	But hang on, before you get to this, I just want to wrap this up real quick.
	I just want to make sure that I got this right.
	That you are not the ultimate arbiter of what is moral.
	That is correct, right?
	It's society at large.
	That is the arbiter of what is moral.
	I don't believe that there is an arbiter of moral.
	It's a thing that's something that people decide individually.
	Well, if people decide it individually, then each individual is the arbiter of what is moral.
	Yeah.
	Okay, well, then you, the individual, would be the arbiter of all that is moral.
	No, of my morality.
	Well, then, and if anything goes against your morality, it's immoral, right?
	To me.
	Then that would be you being the ultimate arbiter of what is moral.
	There's more than me in the world.
	Who else is the ultimate arbiter of what is moral except you?
	I've said many times there's no arbiter of moral.
	I think that's like.
	Yeah, you keep saying that, but it makes no sense because then when I question that, you say, no, anything that doesn't align with my preferences is immoral.
	So if that's the case, who else but you could be the arbiter of what is moral?
	So moral is a descriptive word.
	That's just gobbledygook, right?
	Andrew's a descriptive word.
	Like, what the fuck does that mean?
	It doesn't mean anything.
	Rocks don't decide morality.
	It's a human being.
	Everything is subject to.
	If this does not align with my preferences, it's wrong.
	Who else but you could be the arbiter of what is moral?
	No one can be the arbiter of my morality.
	It's, every person has morality, or maybe they don't, a lack of...
	One person could be the arbiter of your morality, you, right?
	Yeah.
	And if all things which disagree with your morality are immoral, then you would be the ultimate arbiter, right?
	Yeah, of my own morality, yeah.
	Then you're the ultimate arbiter of morality.
	My own morality.
	I'm not the only.
	Well, I'm sorry.
	Who else's morality do you go off of?
	Hold on, hold on.
	So I don't know.
	Hang on.
	Do you go off of Fred's morality or do you go off of your morality?
	I granted three minutes for this.
	It's already been four minutes.
	I need a final closing statement from both of you.
	Yeah, do you go off of your morality or do you go off of Fred's morality?
	I go off of mine and so my morality.
	So if you go off of yours and anybody who disagrees with yours is wrong and immoral, who the fuck else but you could be the arbiter of morality?
	My morality is actually fluid and I can decide.
	I can decide.
	Yeah, I can evaluate things differently.
	I can like milk one day and I can not like milk another day.
	This not liking milk is a screwdriver donated $100.
	Apart from sex happening with only one person, it does not change the fact that you have such fluid times.
	And yet women feel the need to lie about it.
	And men too expect you to lie to them.
	Brian, I don't know.
	I don't know.
	I'm morally fluid now, so what do I know?
	Thank you, Tamara, Tamara, Tamara, Tamarama, Tamara.
	I don't want a woman to lie to me.
	I want to know, I want to take the red pill.
	Like, tell me you have a body count of 100 so that I don't date you.
	Oh, you're talking about the chat.
	Yeah, no.
	Is this something that you ask, like, actually, like, why do you care?
	It's like the first question I ask.
	Why?
	Like, wait, why do I care?
	So, what's your question?
	Like, why would you care?
	Why would I care?
	Yeah, it's the best, whatever.
	Like, okay, I'll ask you a question.
	Would you date a man who previously slept with men?
	No, but wait, hold on.
	Well, I gotta use your logic here.
	It's the past, right?
	No, okay, but I'm talking about like the body camp.
	I'm not talking about your sexuality.
	Yeah, let's say he's bisexual.
	Yeah, I would not date a bisexual for like.
	But what if.
	Yeah, but he stopped being bi.
	But you can't stop being bi.
	Hillary Epstein donated $100.
	So you can't.
	His arrival.
	How can you justify your promiscuity when the three men that are on your postings all have wedding rings?
	Enabling immorality, Earl.
	No clue how you can justify being a harlot.
	That's not true.
	Earl?
	The only married guy I have on there was the guy that I was in an open relationship with.
	Thank you, Philip.
	Other than that, it's just other.
	Well, actually, I did make content with a married couple, so they would have rings.
	But it was like a la détois.
	Thank you, Hillary.
	One thing before we keep going, I have to go.
	My kids are waiting downstairs.
	I can leave my notes.
	Sure, that's fine.
	Yeah.
	Wait, wait, wait.
	I know you might think that it's immoral to leave your kids downstairs, but you should just be morally fluid.
	Obviously.
	My bad.
	I should.
	Clearly.
	Well, thank you for coming.
	Appreciate it.
	It's nice to meet you, by the way.
	Have a nice night.
	It is nice to meet you.
	Thank you.
	Because obviously I'm the arbiter of all things moral.
	Wake me up with that one.
	There you go.
	You can just leave it there.
	That's fun.
	Thank you for coming.
	Have a good night.
	Thank you for coming.
	So going back to your thing, what was it?
	Why would you care?
	It's the past.
	Like, why would you care?
	Like, what does it add to your thinking?
	Like, about when it comes to body count.
	Yeah.
	Like, you ask it.
	And what, like, she said, I don't know, 30, or she said 50, or she said 5.
	Like, what do you think?
	It's pretty simple.
	It's pretty simple.
	I would be more attracted to her if it was lower.
	And I'd be less attracted to her if it was higher.
	Why?
	It's like it's like, for me, like, you go through a lot of phases in your life, I think.
	so like there's a phase where you're like more going around looking up or whatever or there's a phase where you don't want to do it like it's it's just normal So.
	Human development.
	Wait, hold on.
	I mean, I don't care.
	Oh, go ahead.
	No, I don't know.
	Like, I feel like it doesn't add anything to the relation.
	What do you mean it doesn't add anything to the relation?
	If I meet you and I know that thing, it doesn't add anything.
	Like, it doesn't add something.
	It doesn't change anything.
	hasn't changed anything yeah or or even like so are you are you i don't want to know like I don't care.
	It's your thing.
	Sure.
	Well, are you saying that you are who you are?
	And if you meet this individual, whether they have a body count of five or fifty, it doesn't actually, I mean, they are who they are.
	It's not going to change who they are as a person.
	It's not an important thing.
	I don't either.
	For you.
	Well, you don't care.
	So just to be clear.
	Well, I'll explore that, and we'll have the back and forth.
	So if a guy told you that he had slept with – let's get a split going on this, if we can.
	Sorry, guys, one sec.
	So if a guy told you that he had slept with a thousand women before you, not a problem for you?
	No.
	Okay.
	I mean, you're putting in the...
	Sure, I am.
	But you agree that there is a point.
	Oh, so normal.
	No.
	No, like a thousand.
	It's.
	I mean, I'm not talking about the extreme numbers.
	I'm talking about expensive.
	If it doesn't matter at all, then wouldn't it also not matter if it's 100?
	Is 100 extreme?
	But is 100 extreme?
	No, no.
	Okay, so you're fine.
	I don't want to know at all.
	Why don't you want to know?
	Because I don't know.
	Would it bother you?
	No, because I think it's like a private thing.
	It's your thing.
	It doesn't like conversation, like an important conversation.
	It's not something at me.
	Well, you don't care about it.
	Yeah, me.
	I'm talking about.
	But you do kind of care about it because when I give you the extreme example, you do kind of care about me.
	No.
	So a thousand body count for the guy?
	Don't care?
	No, I don't care.
	You wouldn't care.
	So here, let me frame the question differently.
	You find out the guy you're interested in has slept with three other women that week.
	Is that a problem?
	Yeah, maybe.
	So like, no, it depends.
	It depends of what I want.
	What do you want?
	If I want to stay with him or if I want to just hook up with him.
	So like.
	Well, I'll use it.
	If I'm using him, if I use him, I don't even.
	I mean, even if you, I feel like in both, even if you just wanted to fuck once, or if you wanted a relationship, both of these are kind of terrible because you never know.
	Like, if you hook up with someone, you don't know what he's doing.
	They might lie.
	They might lie.
	They might.
	They could also tell you the truth.
	You don't talk about that.
	But they could also tell you the truth.
	Yeah.
	Which is what you would hope for, right?
	Yeah.
	Right.
	But so let's assume, ignoring this component of, well, they could lie, let's assume that you know, right?
	Let's assume that they're forthcoming and they tell you the truth.
	Would you feel comfortable sleeping with a man?
	No.
	If he fucked a girl an hour before you?
	Why not?
	Is it gross?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, so that's how men feel, that gross feeling.
	That's how men feel in general about women's promiscuity.
	But so.
	But if you do it, like, if because I had, like, with my ex-ex-boyfriend, we talked about that.
	And his number was lower than mine.
	And he got like all the relationship was about that thing.
	Like, oh, no, you slept with that.
	You added something.
	It mattered to him.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	And it was like, that's just like an ego thing.
	Because my number was higher than yours and like so basic.
	Like so some, how do you say, like, masculine thing?
	Like.
	Oh, like, it was like an ego.
	He was much easier.
	Yeah, much easier.
	He couldn't handle it.
	No, it's not about he couldn't handle it.
	If you stay with someone, like with a girl that.
	Pale and well met.
	Lol Paladins donated $100.
	Brian, you are forgetting that a man who has slept with three other women this same week makes him more desirable to women.
	Go back to the bio analogy because that gives her the ick.
	That is a fair point because there is a differential here between men and women.
	So like a man who's capable of sleeping with a lot of women, even if you as a woman have like an aversity to promiscuity in men, like you will at least acknowledge that men who are capable of sleeping with a lot of women, they typically are going to be more attractive.
	Nah, I disagree in total.
	But yeah.
	Whereas women, that doesn't make you more attractive, your ability to sleep with a lot of dudes.
	I don't think so.
	Wait, you don't think so?
	As in you agree or you disagree?
	No, I disagree.
	Like it's the same.
	It's totally the same.
	Wait, so do you think that it's just as easy for men and women to get sex?
	No, it's so much easier for women.
	For women to get sex.
	Right.
	So then it's more impressive.
	Because they decide.
	Yeah, women and deciders.
	Yeah.
	Most of the time.
	Most of the time.
	Always, but like.
	Yeah.
	But I don't think that you're.
	You get some points because you hook up with.
	Well, the difference is is like, for example, so let's say, if guys were looking at a uh, an attractive girl, but she, they knew that she had just slept with like three men, like most men are gonna be really turned off by that, but me too sure, but it's uh, there's a bit of a different difference here.
	So why?
	I think women care far less than men do when it comes to body count.
	And you said you don't care, but you dated a guy who did care.
	But I don't think it's good, like I don't think that's normal, but it should not be like this.
	What should not be like this?
	It should not be that you should not care about girls.
	No, it should be like something that it's not on, like different levels.
	When you talk, when you say, oh, I mean I'm not saying that male promiscuity is good, I'm just saying it's different.
	Like women don't seem to care that much about it.
	Some do I care yeah, some do, and I'm sorry, you don't care, I care, you care okay, I think it's it depends, because I met, I met guys that doesn't care, that don't care.
	Yeah, some guys don't care.
	Truthfully though, if a guy does care and he's asking you about it, it's for the ego.
	No well, I mean, totally hold on.
	Just let me finish.
	So the point I was trying to make here is that if a guy does ask you this question, it's actually kind of a green flag because he's vetting you for long-term commitment.
	So if a guy just wants to fuck you, if a guy just wants to fuck you, most guys won't care.
	They'll just like, get a relationship without this question, and I've never heard of such a relationship.
	That's not what I'm arguing, so I do shit, I lost it, you said.
	Getting back to your original point though, you said the past doesn't matter.
	So I do want to kind of get back to this.
	Like, why would you not date a guy who experimented with men?
	Let's say he's.
	No, I'm talking.
	No, you're misunderstanding.
	Like the past doesn't matter in.
	Yeah, I'm testing your logic, talking about how many girls you hook up with, not talking about everything, because if it's everything, the past doesn't matter.
	You can murder someone oh no, it doesn't matter.
	Obviously it doesn't, but I'm that's I'm trying to give you.
	So the reason I'm bringing up the like bisexual example is the way you might feel about like a guy who previously slept with men and like how it makes you feel that's the way men feel when it comes to female projects.
	I don't think that represents every man though, because there's plenty of men right now.
	Yeah, there's all kinds of guys.
	I'm talking in general.
	Well anyway, I honestly don't think, in general, guys care.
	I really don't.
	I think you have like a niched opinion and you have followers that follow your opinion, but there's a whole lot of majority of men care.
	There's enough men.
	There's enough men who don't care because they're desperate for pussy.
	No, I think it's.
	It's that it's the contrary.
	Like the people with a little bit of insecurities.
	They ask you, how many guys blah?
	Why is it insecure?
	It's insecure because it's like, oh no, but i'm going with a slot and going with that, blah blah, blah.
	If you like someone, like yeah, if you like somebody, you should know that you had a life before with some.
	Do you think um you uh, if you had a man, you'd want him to be a mature man, right yeah?
	Do you think that mature people set boundaries?
	Yeah, and so do you.
	And do you think responsible people set boundaries?
	Yeah.
	So if a responsible and mature man sets a boundary, and the boundary is he doesn't want a woman who has more than x amount of sex partners.
	How could he be insecure Of him?
	Well, how could that be insecurity if that's what your expectation is, is that he has boundaries?
	No.
	I was such a couple decades ago perspective, to be honest.
	Yeah, I mean, I think I've had men ask me more like how many dads of my kids I have and things like that.
	To me, the modern man cares more about like what baggage do you have in your life that's going to affect me.
	And the more men you've slept with, the more baggage you sleep.
	Well, not necessarily because, I mean, you don't necessarily take baggage with you from every experience.
	You have a lot of experiences that are very positive.
	It was fun.
	It wasn't.
	How could it be insecure, though, to set boundaries?
	I never said that.
	I wasn't saying that at all.
	Like, I was simply making the point that not every man.
	Well, how would that be insecure?
	I don't understand.
	You said that.
	I think that that's a boundary.
	If you don't want to stay with someone, I mean.
	It's a standard.
	I think.
	I don't feel like it's a standard.
	Yeah, but I don't think it's a good idea.
	That's actually what I think.
	How is it not a standard?
	Here's my standard.
	I don't want to date a woman who's promiscuous or who has a promiscuous body.
	Why promiscuous?
	Wait, okay.
	So isn't there a greater person?
	Promiscuous sleeps with a lot of people if she has a high body count for how she was maybe raised in a different culture than you.
	How would she know not to sleep with you?
	I don't need to give anybody grace.
	Women reject men all the time for a wide variety of reasons.
	I'm just saying not every man is like, no, stop, stop.
	Stop.
	You don't want to date a guy because of his height, because of his money, because of XYZ.
	But all of a sudden, when men say, I don't want to date a woman because of this.
	That's fair.
	I've never heard something like that.
	Oh, it's insecure.
	It's insecure.
	It's controlling.
	How high does the body count?
	What's not like...
	I don't know.
	Tell me yours.
	No, tell me for you.
	Tell me yours.
	Tell me.
	Tell me yours.
	No.
	Wait, wait, wait, hang on.
	Wait a second.
	Wait a second.
	Just respond to me.
	Why would you tell us?
	Are you insecure?
	Are you insecure?
	No, it's not about your body count.
	It's private.
	I don't want to say that.
	I thought body count doesn't matter, though.
	Okay, hang on.
	It sounds like you're being insecure.
	No, you're saying.
	Can you answer me?
	Like, can you answer me?
	And to me, why aren't you being insecure right now?
	It sounds like insecurity.
	What's too high?
	Like, it's too high.
	It depends on the age, right?
	Depends on the age.
	But look, honestly, once you start getting yours or is it?
	So, okay, I would say over 10 is getting high.
	It's not necessarily a deal breaker.
	Okay.
	But the strong preference for lower, so I would prioritize trying to date a woman with a lower body count.
	Over 10, not necessarily a deal breaker.
	Over 20, that's like major red flag territory.
	I would say over 30, certainly a deal breaker.
	But I mean, over 20, probably a deal breaker.
	Is it based on yours or is it based on like in general?
	What do you mean?
	Like, is it based on your body count or is it no, not at all?
	Okay, in general.
	Not at all.
	Okay.
	I actually don't think there, if a man has a high body count, I don't think there's actually anything wrong with him wanting a woman with a low body count or even a virgin.
	Even if they have like a big body count.
	Even if the guy has a big body count, no problem at all with him realizing.
	In like the control, I would say like at the reverse.
	What do you mean?
	Yeah, well, here, I can.
	Yeah, I can actually explain this concept to you, right?
	So, do you like men who are taller than you?
	Yeah.
	Okay, do you think that men generally like women who are shorter than them?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Well, I don't understand why you accept that double standard.
	But like it's not the same.
	Yeah, that's right.
	It's not the same.
	So the question, so the question becomes.
	A girl doesn't.
	Yeah, if a man is tall and he prefers a short woman, a woman is short and prefers a tall man, right?
	Okay.
	Well, I don't understand.
	They have totally different preferences here, but that's somehow okay.
	But if a man has a large body count but prefers a woman with a lower body count, why is that suddenly wrong?
	No, no, I didn't say that it's wrong.
	I didn't say it's wrong.
	I said that I, like, there are people that don't care, people that care, and I don't think it's that important for me.
	I'm always talking for me.
	So, like.
	Yeah, well, I'm just saying.
	I'm just saying.
	If you ask Brian, if you ask Brian, you seem like you were skeptical.
	You were like, hey, wait a second.
	Why is it okay for you?
	Wait, hang on, hang on.
	Why is it okay for you to have, like, let's say Brian slept with 500 women, right?
	He hasn't, but let's just say he had.
	Wait, hold on.
	Okay, okay, well, okay, 6,000 women.
	Let's say it slept with 6,000 women.
	Thank you.
	And he wanted a woman who had slept with no women.
	Thank you.
	Why is that actually a problem?
	No, it's not a problem, but I think it's a little bit like.
	I don't know the word in English, I'm sorry, but yeah.
	Hypocrite.
	Like a double standard.
	Yeah, because like you don't do something.
	It's like a taller man.
	No.
	What?
	Then it's hypocritical for you to want to date someone taller than you.
	No, that's totally different.
	Well, so why is it different?
	Why is it different?
	Come on, you can't say that it's the same.
	You can't say that it's the same.
	But so let me ask you this question, right?
	So in order for you to want to be with someone, do you need to be exactly the same?
	No, but I'm saying that if you sleep with 500 girls or whatever, and you want the one that does, I think it's a little bit too much.
	Yeah, come on.
	No, I think it's totally fine.
	I think it's totally fine.
	It's totally fine.
	Well, here's why.
	You and all the Muslims are what's the guys that isn't there like a religion that they have all of you?
	You know, when you say like, I treat you well, I want the very women to treat me well.
	If he wants, like, I treat you well in a relationship.
	So I want you to treat me well too.
	So like, you know, the, I don't know, we say this thing, like, you do some, you act like you want to be treated.
	Do you say like that?
	I mean, I think in these lines, like in this phrase, so, but then it's up to you.
	Like, you can keep like, yeah, but I think what you're saying.
	Yeah, I understand what you're saying.
	You're saying you should treat people how you want to be treated, right?
	Yeah.
	Kind of the golden rule.
	And right, the golden rule.
	Yeah, but here's the thing.
	Would you agree with me that more women will allow themselves to be anally penetrated than men?
	What?
	What the fuck?
	Out of the nowhere, bro.
	Grant that that's true.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	That's fine.
	Right.
	So here's the thing.
	It's crazy.
	Where I'm going with this, what I'm trying to kind of get you to intersect with is if you were with a man who wanted to do that with you, but did not want you to do that with him, is he being a hypocrite?
	But here we're finding like the only thing that's a problem.
	I got some.
	Just answer me.
	Just answer me.
	Is he being a hypocrite?
	You're right.
	You're right on this.
	You're right.
	It's fine.
	I have some.
	If someone told me to know.
	Wait, wait, no, no, no, no.
	I have the right to say no.
	I have the right to say no.
	But you're not supposed to.
	Here, I got a couple.
	I have a couple.
	Okay, do you think, for example, is a woman wrong if she's poor, but she's attracted to rich men?
	Is she wrong?
	No, but it should be like the same on the other side.
	What do you mean?
	Like, if a girl that's poor, she's attracted from a rich guy or a poor guy, it's attracted to like a rich girl, it's the same.
	No?
	I don't know.
	Maybe it is a.
	But is it wrong?
	No, it's not wrong.
	But she does not possess the trait in which she desires in a partner.
	So she doesn't.
	Like, I think that you can do whatever you want.
	Like, you can desire a girl that doesn't.
	It's wrong for a man with high body count to want a virgin, right?
	That's what you're saying.
	Yeah, it's like, it's not, it's not wrong.
	It's hypocrite.
	Hypocritical.
	Hypocritical.
	Okay.
	Well, you object to that.
	It's hypocritical.
	So to have the back and forth.
	Okay, then it's hypocritical for a poor woman to be attracted to want like the fact like to want a rich guy?
	Yes.
	So then okay, so but it's not hypocritical for men who have 500 body counts to be attracted to virgin women.
	Yeah, it is.
	It's hypocritical to be attracted.
	No, to be attracted.
	No, I wouldn't.
	But to want.
	Okay, so we'll use the term want.
	You are attracted to you can't change that, right?
	You can choose, actually.
	So do people typically want what they're attracted to?
	No, not always.
	Not always.
	Nah.
	Nah, you can't choose.
	Okay, well, I'll just choose.
	Maybe just me, but I don't choose who, like, I got like the click.
	I don't know how to say it.
	So if I fell in love with someone, it's not because I has everything that I want.
	I'm not going to even use the term attracted then.
	I'm going to use the term want.
	Right?
	So, okay.
	Men who have a high body count, they want a woman with a low body count or who are virgin.
	So a woman who's poor wants, just let me finish.
	Yeah, sorry.
	Who wants a rich man?
	Is that wrong?
	I'm not saying it's wrong.
	I'm saying that.
	So it's hypocritical.
	Okay, so it's hypocritical.
	So then it's hypocritical for women who are poor to want to date rich men?
	Is it hypocritical?
	If she wants to date only this kind of men, yes, I think so.
	Okay.
	Okay, well, I feel like Brian didn't reveal his ultimate argument, but I remember all of Brian's arguments, and this one's a good one, so I'm going to use it real quick.
	And I just want to ask you a question.
	Would you date a man ever in your life who had been with two women at once?
	Yeah.
	Would you date a man in your life who had been with multiple men?
	No.
	Well, what kind of fucking hypocrite are you?
	What kind of fucking hypocrite are you?
	I don't want to do that.
	Unbelievable hypocrisy.
	Wait a second.
	Wait a second.
	But why?
	I don't want to date with someone that like.
	What is hypocrite?
	Wait, wait.
	Doesn't hypocrite mean that you hold two different standards for one person.
	He's not bisexual.
	Hang on, hang on.
	A hypocrite is you hold the standard for you, right?
	And or you hold a separate standard for yourself that you hold for other people.
	So in this particular case, right?
	If it's a same-sex relationship, why is that okay for you, but not for him?
	No, no, no.
	It is.
	No, no.
	I thought that you said, like, to date a guy that was with multiple guys.
	Yeah, he's with multiple guys.
	Yeah.
	No, but because I'm straight and I want to date someone straight.
	Wait, wait, if he's with multiple, if he's with multiple women, why is that a problem?
	Or not a problem?
	It's not a problem.
	Because I want to date someone straight.
	Well, wait, he's still.
	Wait, wait, wait.
	I don't understand.
	Would you ever engage in same-sex activity with a guy?
	What?
	Sorry.
	What?
	Would you ever engage in a threesome with a guy where you were with another chick or a guy?
	Yeah.
	You would not accept that from a guy.
	But wait, you would not accept that from a guy.
	$100.
	If you won't date a girl because she's fat, it's body shaming.
	Yet women have no problem calling a guy working on fries at McDonald's Looza.
	Pure feminine chaos.
	Yeah, thank you.
	So what I'm saying is just this.
	If you would be willing to engage with a woman, you would be.
	But you're not willing to engage with a man who's been with a man.
	Yeah, in a treason.
	Hang on.
	How are you not a hypocrite?
	How is that not his favorite?
	Are you talking about like a tree?
	Yeah.
	Treason?
	Do you say that?
	Treason?
	Yeah, threesome.
	A threesome.
	Oh, treason.
	Trees.
	Treason?
	Well, whatever.
	Yeah, I would accept it him to be with a guy.
	But unless you're treated straight.
	You know what I mean?
	So you would be with a man who's fucked other men?
	I would.
	I think we're going all over the.
	No, we're not going all over the place.
	You would be with a man who's fucked other men?
	No.
	No, but if you fucked other women, would you expect a man to be with you?
	No.
	No?
	No.
	It depends on him.
	Like if he's fine with the thing.
	Have you been with women?
	No.
	No.
	Oh, okay.
	Like, if he's fine with the thing and be sexy.
	Would you ever be with a woman?
	Hang on.
	Would you ever be with a woman?
	No.
	No.
	Just no women in the whole world.
	Like, if you could pick any woman.
	I'm sorry.
	Let's go around the table.
	What's everybody's body count starting with Desiree?
	I would say about like eight to ten guys.
	You're a fucking liar.
	Well, my dad.
	No fucking way.
	My dad raised me to be a prostitute.
	So I was with a lot of people.
	I was with about probably 20 people.
	That wasn't necessarily my choice, but it was like that was.
	Yeah, my dad raised me with that.
	So your non-accountability body count is eight.
	I would say eight to ten.
	Eight to ten, guys.
	That was like authentically my choice.
	Yeah.
	I was married for a while.
	You're a fucking liar.
	You're a fucking liar.
	And then I remember I was that whole stint of religious after my childhood trauma.
	Haven't you had sex with like three men on your OF?
	Yeah, that's three men.
	I was in a long-term relationship with one.
	The math is not math in here.
	Hold on.
	Multiply it by three, and that's the real number.
	Why isn't the math working?
	What makes sense?
	I was married for 10 years.
	I was with the same guy for about 10 years.
	Before that, I did a long stint of celibacy when I was super religious.
	And I had kind of a well, I lost my virginity very young with my dad's Vivian.
	What about it?
	Wait, don't get it.
	You got to stay for the segment.
	Stay for the segment.
	Stay for the segment.
	Come on.
	No, no.
	Como sedice.
	Ah, you're good.
	Como sedice, body count in Italiano.
	Bye bye, Italiano.
	Okay, Vivian, body count.
	Five.
	Damn, bro, it was three last time.
	She's growing up.
	That's the real number.
	Vivian.
	Power level increasing, Brian.
	Power level increasing.
	All right, what about you, Jade?
	Two.
	Jade?
	What?
	Two.
	Multiply it by three, and that's the real number.
	What is this?
	What is these?
	Is this a gaming thing?
	This is a VR.
	Okay, well, let me ask you a question.
	Let me ask you.
	Let me ask you, Jade, a quick follow up.
	I gave you my lord.
	Yeah.
	Let us assume for a second that it wasn't just two, right?
	Okay.
	If it wasn't, if it wasn't, would you tell us?
	Yeah.
	You wouldn't lie?
	No.
	No matter what, you wouldn't, right?
	No.
	Okay.
	All right.
	I gave you my body.
	I remember Bernadette.
	I don't even know where I am.
	I arrived here in the United States in three days.
	I don't even know where it's going.
	Where I'm going on body count?
	Not going to say that.
	How about a range?
	Will you do a range?
	Okay.
	I say.
	More than 10?
	I say, yeah.
	More than 10.
	More than 20?
	No.
	More than 15?
	I'm not going to say anything.
	I ain't not going to say anything.
	More than 15?
	I'm not going to say anything.
	I already started now.
	Morgan, it's your turn.
	Hey, I'm sorry.
	Hey, Brian, that scanner's going fucking crazy, bro.
	That scanner's going crazy.
	Morgan?
	I've said it.
	Oh, is it x-ray vision?
	Is it one?
	Yeah.
	Like, I think 14.
	14?
	Two.
	What's yours?
	You want to make it one more?
	My scouter is detecting that some of you are not being forthcoming on the body count quest.
	Why do you guys always think we're lying?
	And this scouter, that shit, like, this is some fucking next science technology.
	That is Saiyan technology.
	And they have some of the most brilliant scientists in the world, including Kakarot's father, is what I'm told.
	Bardock.
	So Bar Dog.
	I remember Bardock.
	He tried to fight Frieza.
	Didn't go so well.
	Save Planet Vegeta.
	Anyways.
	Look, you know, look, I'm not going to press it, but I think some of you guys are not being, you know, totally honest.
	Oh, really quick.
	So, okay.
	I'll give you a list of 10 examples where it's like women want things in men that they don't possess, right?
	They want traditional men, but they're not traditional.
	They want charismatic men, yet they are not charismatic.
	They want tall men, but they're not tall.
	They want chivalry, but they're not chivalrous.
	They want exciting men, but they're not exciting.
	They want strong men, but they're not strong.
	Hold on.
	Hold on.
	They want dominant men, but they're not dominant.
	They want men to take initiative, but they don't take initiative.
	They want men to chase them, but they don't chase.
	They want men to ask them on dates and pay for them, but they don't do the same.
	They want confident men, but they're not confident themselves.
	Many shy women want men who are not shy.
	Single mothers who don't want to date single fathers.
	It seems like women want to ignore.
	Hold on, it seems like women want to ignore all the double standards and unfairness that benefit them.
	But when there's a double standard or unfairness that benefits men, really only a very small percentage of men, because most men don't have access to hookup culture.
	It's just kind of interesting.
	What kind of men did you want?
	Oh, funny.
	Women want.
	Who's the best one?
	Wait.
	Come on.
	What are you describing?
	Who are you describing?
	Who am I describing?
	Who?
	I don't know.
	I don't like that.
	Do you want a guy who's funny?
	You want a funny guy?
	No, I'm so funny.
	I'd say you are funny.
	I think a lot of women.
	I want a guy that's a very simple.
	Something that you're.
	You think I'm funny?
	No, but like something that you read.
	What do I read?
	I want a guy that take the like take me out.
	Take the initiative.
	Yeah.
	I am a girl that does all this stuff.
	So like, I don't want to find it.
	Okay, well then, well then, here, we can make it even more nuanced, right?
	Do you like men with beards?
	No.
	Shit.
	Okay.
	Do you like men with long nails?
	Wait, what?
	Wait, what?
	Bro, why?
	Do you like men with long nails?
	Damn, bro.
	Don't throw me under the bus.
	Yeah, do you like men with long nails?
	No.
	No.
	Well, but you have long nails.
	Oh, come on.
	You're putting in.
	You're coming up with something that doesn't matter.
	What I'm saying to you is that the idea here is that the endless amount of double standards goes on and on and on and on.
	And I think that it's fine.
	I think that you find that women.
	I think it's fine for women to have different standards than men.
	I think that's totally fine.
	But when women say there's a double standard and then pretend like there's not two different standards, that's when I have a problem.
	No.
	Of course, there are like different things that people, like a guy, like a man wants different things from a woman and right.
	But including count.
	Including body count, right?
	Yes.
	But like I don't think that like I would never pretend something from the other person that I don't do.
	Talking about.
	Don't you want to make sure that you're not going to be able to do that?
	No, the long names.
	Come on, the long names.
	It's a that is not true.
	That is not true.
	Do you wear makeup?
	That's just the appearance.
	I'm talking about the way you ask.
	Yeah.
	Do you want a man who wears makeup?
	No.
	So you have a man who wants long hair.
	You have breasts.
	Do you want a man who has breasts?
	Like, it just goes on and on and on and on.
	So when you say, I don't expect that a man for me would ever have to do a thing that I don't do, that's not a problem.
	Not to do everything that I do.
	I mean, I'm talking about the way you are in the relationship.
	I'm not talking about the appearance.
	I'm not talking about stupid stuff.
	I'm not that superficial.
	Like, I'm talking about if because he read a lot of things, like I'm the charismatic, the whatever it was.
	I'm talking about these things.
	I'm not talking about the nail polish, not talking about the makeup.
	So that was my point.
	Do you expect the man to have a moment?
	If you're coming out with your point, you're right.
	So do you expect the man to have children in the relationship?
	I'm not going to answer.
	I'm sorry.
	Yeah, I mean, that's not the like they can't do that, right?
	Yeah, that's the thing.
	Yeah, they can't do that.
	So the thing is, like, you wouldn't have that expectation, right?
	Yeah.
	So within the relationship itself, there's going to be different standards just based on that, right?
	Yeah, I'm going to based on the nature, I guess.
	Yeah, just based on the nature.
	There's going to be different standards just based on the nature.
	So even the idea, even the idea of expectation when it comes to the relationship standard is going to be different.
	Like, no matter what, it's going to be different.
	No, that's true.
	That's true.
	It could be that I want something from you that you don't want from me.
	So it's totally fine.
	I'm talking about me, what I want, like what I'm trying to find.
	Okay.
	So, so I just want to make sure, from your view, inside of the relationship, absent any sort of like physical necessities, like having children, or you're a woman, he's a man.
	Inside of the actual relationship, you don't want there to be anything that's unequally yoked.
	You'll never expect a man to work if you want.
	I think that there is always like even balance.
	So if I put something in the relationship, it could be that you put something else.
	But for the basics, like the care, the importance, or like the yeah, I mean, there are, I think that there are some things that you should put the two of you in the relationship.
	And then there are others that could be like that I'm funnier and you're like, I don't know, smarter, but yeah, I think I think I understand that, but I have to ask a question.
	If inside the relationship you want it to be kind of like equal, that's what you're saying, right?
	You want it to be at least you have to put the same effort.
	Yeah, yeah, that's the middle of the night.
	It's the middle of the night, and you're sleeping with the man of your dreams in the bed and the window breaks and you see on the camera that there are men breaking into the house.
	Does he go first?
	Yeah, I guess so.
	Yeah, I guess so.
	I don't know.
	I don't know about all this equal shit, you know?
	It doesn't sound all that equal to me.
	I gotta move things on.
	I gotta move things on a little bit here.
	The last thing on that, though, it seems like last thing, because I forgot to mention this in my whole long list.
	A lot of women want funny guys, but they're not funny.
	It could be.
	Like, so there's kind of a double standard there.
	Like, I don't hear them right there, then.
	I'm not saying that.
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	I just know lasagna.
	That's about it.
	I'm gonna change the TTS voice to Italian.
	Thanks, Andrew.
	Italian guy.
	Mommy Chim Chiamandas Koyu donated $30.
	When Daddy Andrew goes out to bricks and fat, sweaty, fun bags, his mommy milkers squirt like this and come back like TCHTCHTCHT.
	Followers?
	What are they called?
	Screwed it up, man.
	Your cult is very interesting, Brian.
	Uh, yeah.
	Does anybody ever subscribe to your OnlyFans?
	No, it's like a troll page.
	But does anybody actually like fall for it?
	I think there's something there.
	Because I've been tempted to subscribe because I was just curious if you had any.
	We just have it.
	It's just onlyfans.com.
	There's like no pictures.
	There's just nothing there.
	Wait, you gotta wait for this part.
	Actually, go ahead.
	You got you just came with some water?
	Okay, okay.
	So is your merch for sale in there?
	Do you have like an answer?
	So we're gonna pull up, guys.
	We're gonna pull up the Desiree photo or whatever, like the sketch.
	The soulmate photo?
	So soulmate photo.
	Guys, I got this soulmate photo sketch from a freaking psychic.
	It was embarrassing.
	It was before, like a couple weeks before I actually came here for the first time.
	Bruh.
	That's crazy, dude.
	That's kind of like and then I came on here and made some sort of weird baby girl slave trauma bond with him.
	I don't know what the fuck.
	That's me, dude.
	That's scary.
	That's weird.
	I'm just thinking, okay, maybe it's just like a business partnership thing.
	Maybe it's not necessarily meaning it's like a romantic thing, but I mean, I don't know.
	I didn't believe in this sort of thing.
	I got a soulmate sketch actually from a psychic.
	And it was a brunette, dark-eyed black woman.
	So it couldn't, it definitely couldn't be you.
	Okay.
	Because she's black and had dark hair and black eyes.
	But I don't really and also was black, right?
	And also was actually black, not fake black eyes.
	I'm an albino.
	Also, please never bring the Siri back.
	Ruins it every time.
	Oh, I'm gonna trigger the senergi donated.
	Is it an Italian?
	I need someone to make me brashole per padella and the sams foliatelle imo sicila.
	Now that's uh that's Giorgio.
	We're gonna change it to Adriano.
	It's now Adriano if anybody wants to uh send something in Italian.
	Uh let's see what other thing do I have to go over.
	I think I need to go over while I was tilted tonight, kind of.
	Uh I think it's worth mentioning.
	Uh yeah.
	Um I'll probably get interrupted.
	Uh, so those of you in the chat, do you guys know who Josie is?
	I'm just gonna bring it up just because, yeah, man, they kind of fuck shit up.
	Vector donated Trenta Dolari.
	This beauty comes out when she is mid-mannered.
	However, when she starts objectifying herself, I can see Gorlock the destroyer within.
	That gives me the I love that girl.
	My son, actually.
	I want to hear the story.
	My son knows about this show because of Gorlock, and he thought I was cool because he showed me Gorlock, and I was like, son, that's the podcast that I go on.
	And he was like, he had this moment of horror on his face that he was like, oh shit.
	My mother is a big deal.
	I think he just thought I was like, I don't know, just frolicking around at the mall or something.
	And I was like, I'm going to this podcast.
	Yeah.
	So, Chad, you guys know this girl, Josie.
	You guys know Josie.
	Really didn't want to have to talk about this.
	But so she's been on the show twice.
	I think she was last on over a year ago.
	And she's been asking and asking and asking.
	She's active in the Discord, asking to come back on the show.
	And I told her, you can come back on if you bring a girl with you who would be good on the show.
	And she finds a girl, but apparently this girl was not responding to her, but she does not let me know this until like 1 p.m. today.
	And our meet time was 4 p.m.
	So actually, Desiree, you're not scheduled to be on the show, but because of Josie, I was kind of.
	You're desperate.
	Don't say that.
	I was like trying to find replacements, right?
	Because the deal with Josie was, you can come back on the show if you bring another girl with you.
	This girl, no shows.
	Was that Tarzana girl?
	Was I?
	No, it was a different girl.
	So this other girl, she just is no showing, flaking, whatever.
	It happens.
	In addition to this, I don't know, she's having issues with her ride.
	So she says, I'm going to be late.
	She says she's going to be 30 minutes late.
	My understanding, I could be wrong.
	This is not the most important piece of information with the story.
	Is I think she ends up being an hour late.
	So she begging.
	I don't want to.
	When was this?
	This was.
	She's asked me half a dozen times if she could come back on the show.
	I finally said, okay, you bring a girl with you.
	You can come back on the show.
	And then she's, I believe she ended up being an hour late, right?
	When was this?
	Today.
	So she was here?
	But I told her, I was like, you're going to be late, and you're not bringing the girl who you said you were going to bring.
	So I told her, I was like, just don't come.
	She shows up anyways, even though I tell her not to.
	She brings a male with her.
	And then they start essentially doxing the studio.
	What does that mean?
	Oh my God, Doctor.
	So she's like taking photos and videos.
	Just don't, nobody say what you're doing.
	No, hold on, hold on.
	Don't say anything.
	So she doxes the studio, even though it's her fault she didn't get a spot on the show because she was an hour late.
	She said she was going to be 30 minutes late.
	I told her to just not come.
	She promised to bring another girl with her.
	That didn't work.
	They're like trolling, right?
	That's like false pretense or whatever.
	And so they're fucking posting videos, fucking IRL streaming outside of our fucking studio.
	I don't know how fucking brain-dead you have to be to like not realize we keep the shit private.
	And so she's fucking doxing us essentially.
	So yeah, that's why I was freaking out.
	Like she's fucking doing all this extra shit.
	I told her to not show up to the fucking studio.
	She doesn't show up with the dude.
	She shows up and that she doesn't show up with a girl.
	She shows up with the dude.
	She's an hour late.
	She starts fucking doing content outside the fucking studio.
	And it's like, how is this?
	And I told her not to fucking come.
	Stay in your fucking, wherever you're from in LA.
	It's so fucking ridiculous that I'm dealing with this shit.
	So I don't know.
	Anyways.
	We feel for you, Brian.
	That does suck.
	Bro, and she should know better.
	She should fucking know better.
	I was not aware of any of this.
	That's rude.
	Yep.
	Very rude.
	And Brian goes through a lot for this platform.
	That's why I have respect for you.
	It's crazy.
	I can't imagine dealing with her.
	I couldn't handle brain level fucking 18-year-old girls.
	Like, if she's a supporter of the show, fucking listen to me.
	Stay your ass at fucking home.
	Don't drive over and cause more.
	It's already a fucking issue doing the show as is without added extra drama.
	And she shows up essentially disinvited, uninvited.
	And now you're never going to have her on again, right?
	If she could have been a surprise, she could have rescheduled.
	She could have rescheduled and peacefully come on another time with another girl.
	Actually, fucking.
	I like, there's stuff that gets me frustrated, but like, I'm already get-tilted enough as it is, just doing the show, trying to, like, have the conversations.
	And like, for her to fucking show up, it's the most.
	Oh, my God, dude.
	I have no fucking words.
	As somebody who does content, how are you going to fucking show up to where somebody is and fucking live stream your shit right outside and say that?
	Oh, we're 100 feet away.
	Fucking toaster brain, dumb fucking shit.
	Where is she showing that?
	She's so fucking dumb.
	She's out of the.
	Is she showing it on her?
	Anyways.
	What is she showing?
	I didn't want to fucking say anything, but it's like, god damn, bro.
	Like, actually doxing our shit, man.
	So, sorry.
	I thought it was a good show.
	I think we did good.
	So I think that's okay.
	Haters gonna hate.
	Haters gonna hate.
	Anyways, I'll let the chats come through.
	Leper King Groyper donated $29.99.
	Your world view is treat others how they want to be treated, but won't date short guys.
	Do you think they want to be dated, or is your arbiter fluid running so low you can't be honest?
	To Italian.
	Cut donated $30.
	If Desiree's body count is 8 to 10, I nailed Megan Fox in her prime.
	Oh, my God.
	I think that's my first boyfriend.
	Cute.
	That's cute.
	Desiree, your pronouns are what, the, and fuck.
	Pronouns?
	Pronouns.
	That's like what the.
	What's the pronoun thing?
	Oh, I'm like a she, her.
	Big sass energy donated $30.
	Can we set a new minimum to silence Desiree when she is on?
	100 is a bit too much.
	It should be 20 max.
	Wait, what?
	They don't want to pay so much to have my mic.
	Desiree, your pronouns are what, the, and fuck.
	All right, thank you.
	Appreciate it.
	Tamara, Tamara, Tamara, the Dutch.
	Appreciate it.
	Thank you.
	I don't know.
	I'm not sure what that.
	The pronoun thing, though, it's like, I'm a woman, so I'm her or she.
	I don't know what the bunch more coming through.
	Categories are.
	Sorry, guys.
	Bunch more coming through.
	One sec.
	Tell them we donated $30.
	Body count matters because the higher your bodies is, you will be consciously or unconsciously comparing your partner to your body's best qualities, which make it impossible standard for anyone to uphold.
	Killer of cereal donated $30.
	Anissa?
	W for holding it down.
	Desiree, you need not wear anything but an oil exceed around your neck for Halloween.
	Don't take it to heart when the children take the last piece of candy.
	Run Brian.
	Daria donated $30.
	W Brixon, W. Andrew.
	What a great show, yet again.
	No surprise there.
	Anyway, is anybody up for watching the bow video?
	Also, to the panel, would you bow for your man?
	Josh donated $30.
	No, Desiree, your son didn't realize you were a big deal.
	He realized his mother was an insane narcissistic strumpet who lacks all reason and accountability.
	Let's face it, he's known for some time too.
	Mommy Jim Chimunda's Koreu who donated $30.
	Crappy Ola.
	Brixen's fat sweaty mommy milkers malfunctioned.
	They should have squirted like this.
	You know, I have a video on my OnlyFans of me spruity milk.
	TSH, TSH, TSH, TSH, TSH, TSH, TSH, TSH.
	Lol Paladins donated $30.
	Thank you, man.
	Don't worry, Brian.
	I've had a few failed threesomes before, too.
	It's often not worth it anyway.
	Never count on a girl to bring another girl.
	Giovanni Jade donated $30.
	Brian gets desperate when a chick bails and DMs Desiree to come instead.
	How long until that same thought process occurs after a couple shots at 3 a.m. and his date didn't come home with you.
	Old man Marine donated $30.
	Anissa, eyebrows are 10 tenths.
	Sorry, Morgan.
	Diarrhea girl, your logic is flawed and life starts and conception, you're being brainwashed.
	Jade, be more modest and your dating outcomes might change.
	Legendary ego donated $29.99.
	Desiree, did your son see when you said that if he and his sister put out the bad energy that you said Andrew and Brian did, you'd want them off the planet and when pressed, you say dead.
	Did he?
	Killer of cereal donated $30.
	Brian, I love you, man, but I can hear your fat underbelly button area growing from here.
	You should do more IRLs to increase your step count.
	Do something quick, it's a bit defeating.
	Yeah, it's you did ask for it.
	You did ask for it.
	Lucy.
	Lucy.
	You have that girl for me.
	I'm going to see her.
	Dummy Thick donated $69.
	Trying to see that body audioti.
	$10.
	Wait, hold on.
	My subscription.
	That's a good deal.
	Lucy.
	She doesn't not like you.
	They said the girl from Fallout is on your show.
	People say I look like her.
	Oh, kind of.
	A little bit.
	Ish.
	Wait, you're seeing Lucy tomorrow?
	Yeah.
	Doesn't she have COVID?
	Right.
	I'll be wearing a mask and a full hazmat suit.
	So at Saturday, 1:40 p.m., she was scheduled to be on with you again today.
	Hey, I'm sorry, but just found out I have COVID and don't think I can make it.
	No, she actually said that.
	This is what I deal with every show, guys.
	I don't know how you freaking do this, Brian.
	Every show.
	Oh, here's the three.
	I have like two girlfriends because I can't handle this shit.
	Here's the three.
	I have, I'm sick.
	Bullshit.
	They're not sick.
	Oh, I thought you said you were.
	Two, fan vague, they never give details, vague family emergency.
	By the way, is Andrew back?
	Do they have kids?
	Does she have kids?
	Not yet.
	Okay.
	Or my car broke down.
	That's all the excuses.
	Well, I think they get scared, Brian.
	I think it's she's already been on the show.
	Why did she?
	I mean, why did she?
	The second time I came on, I was having a nervous breakdown.
	Lucy's a big L.
	That is not true.
	I'm going to defend Lucy to myself.
	Sometimes there's extra.
	She lied about being sick and flaked a day before the show.
	Oh, she's trying to not hurt your feelings, I guess.
	I'd rather, honestly, I'd rather somebody just say, fuck you, I don't like your show, I'm not coming, than just like honesty.
	Think of it as that, then.
	Think of it as that, then.
	Then why did she okay?
	Whatever, bro.
	Why did she agree to Brian's a pretty safe guy to be honest with?
	That's why I like you, Brian.
	Okay.
	To be honest, he'll just tell you, no, I hate you or I like you.
	Hey, it's a good quality.
	Yes.
	Because you never have to wonder where you stand.
	What's that song from Eminem?
	Oh my God.
	I feel like Brian gets so red-pilled, black-pilled, fucking doing this shit.
	Just like how unreliable people are.
	And they just lie about it.
	Do you feel like your criticisms of women have anything to do with what you've experienced from women on this show?
	Or is it just from your personal dating life?
	I'm not sure what that even means.
	Like, do you feel like perhaps stressful or negative or toxic experiences from this show?
	Like, are you gathering your data about women from that and your dating life, or just purely your personal dating life with women?
	You know what I'm saying?
	Because as an influencer, I would think that it would be hard to delineate the two, right?
	It would kind of start blending together.
	You deal with like what this is.
	Well, you deal with so many women at work.
	Is it hard for you to, for example, if there was a woman out in the world that you liked or you had interest in, does your experience at work affect your judgment of that woman?
	Like, are you coming into it kind of with work trauma almost?
	I don't know how to put it, but biases?
	I guess what I'm saying?
	Because you deal with kind of so many taboo, like toxic women?
	Maybe a little bit, but I feel like I was pretty from my own dating experiences, I was pretty.
	Did you date a lot?
	Yeah, I've dated a lot.
	Like younger years all the way up until now?
	Or was there like a certain season that you dated throughout my whole life?
	You dated a lot.
	I'm going to let the rest come through though.
	Big Sass Energy donated $30.
	Apologies.
	If $500 is the standard to mute a mic, it should be reduced greatly for Desiree.
	Let's set it at $20.
	Think of the revenue.
	You could have her on every episode and make $20 every 10 minutes.
	That is true.
	Both man and Marie.
	But $1,000 is still more than that.
	I mean, 10 out of 10.
	10 tenths sounds weak.
	Well, guys, I have to go.
	Oh, we're about to finish.
	Can you just wait like five minutes?
	We're going to wrap.
	I promise we'll wrap in like five minutes.
	Let's see.
	Josh donated $30.
	You know as much shit as I give you, Desiree.
	I'll at least admit you're a good sport.
	You're a horrible person, but at least a good sport.
	Alpha Lucy and Elpha Viv for making excuses.
	Stay dumb, Gingy.
	Yeah, thank you, man.
	Mommy Chim, Chiamundas Koyu, who donated $30.
	Desiree, how much would Pay to like the cheese from under Brixon's fat canopy?
	Is Andrew Betty?
	Trans girl, good for you.
	Even though that re-injection of Vestra made your brain go standard, women overestimating value.
	GMD Jim donated $30.
	Yo, thank you, man.
	Men don't want to high-body count women like they don't want a plummeting stock.
	It is just a bad investment in their future.
	Women, keep your investment valuable and legs closed.
	Yo, Jim, thank you for the message, man.
	Really appreciate it.
	I actually do kind of want to give a little props to Desiree.
	She's a good sport.
	And she wasn't as bad.
	Still bad.
	No.
	Still bad.
	No.
	She was not.
	No.
	She was not as bad.
	I was trying to evolve.
	I'm trying to bad.
	She was not as bad.
	She still interrupted a fuck ton and was kind of annoying, whatever.
	But it was better than last time.
	You did better than last time.
	I'll give you that.
	I'll give you that.
	A little baby Seth's.
	Is it her standard now that, oh, she just didn't happen to fucking drop her pants to try to show you the raise?
	Is that her new standard for the conduct on whatever?
	That is the new.
	That's the thing.
	You talk, Desiree.
	You've always sucked.
	You're the worst.
	Can't even believe you're on the show.
	Oh, boy.
	Everybody here deserves to be here.
	I'm here except you.
	Wait, how do I do it?
	Damn, brutal.
	That's kind of sucked.
	Oh, I can't even do that.
	I'm trying to do the innuendo, but all right, guys.
	If you want, get your last call on the roast TTS.
	Last call, guys.
	I'm going to write last call.
	Last call, guys, streamlabs.com/slash whatever.
	Streamlabs.com slash whatever.
	If you want to get your last thing in.
	Austin, can you pull up Twitch, please?
	All right, guys, go to twitch.tv slash whatever.
	Drop us a follow and a prime sub if you have one.
	Guys, it's a quick, free, easy way to support the show every single month.
	Every single month, guys, you can drop us a follow-up.
	Well, you can only one time drop us a follow, but every month you can drop us a prime sub.
	I'm going to do a redirect to Andrew.
	We're going to do a Twitch raid, guys.
	Drop us a follow in the Prime sub.
	Classic World of Warcraft.
	Thank you for the Prime Man one minute ago.
	Slaying bodies.
	Thank you for the Prime Man.
	Sass Energy donated $30.
	How do I do that?
	An eight-hour show at $20 mutes for 10 minutes is $1,000 a show.
	Desiree can literally print money and she could never talk.
	So she's just on the show every time?
	But she just never kind of cheap.
	Can I like sit in the middle of the table some of the time?
	I mean, I feel like I need to be able to rotate around.
	Table might break.
	My back.
	Are you calling me fat now?
	No.
	I am a size six, okay?
	It could break.
	I am trying to support the healthy weight of the women.
	Oh, she was bad.
	Not as bad as the previous panel appearance.
	So, thank you, man.
	David Tilzekchiak donated $30.
	Saw Brian and Desiree go to the bathroom at the same time.
	You victimized.
	Desiree legally changed your last name to Atlas already.
	Welcome, Mad Sister.
	I write it in my diary.
	Desiree Atlas.
	Desiree Atlas.
	You know, I'm trying to manifest it with my soulmate sketch.
	I got whatever the fuck, psychic, though.
	You know what?
	I do want to.
	I do also.
	Desiree brought like goodies.
	I did.
	I brought this.
	She brought like stuff in the bathroom.
	Like, you know how you go to a nice club or something and they have a bathroom attendant with stuff.
	Tuna.
	Well, I just had it left over.
	The kids didn't like it.
	The kids didn't like it.
	I thought somebody might like it.
	I thought somebody brought tuna, bro.
	Just bad tonight.
	I was supposed to buy the chicken salad kits for my daughter, and I accidentally bought tuna, and so nobody's eating it.
	And I just thought I would care.
	Look, this is what she brought.
	I mean, those were like in the earthquake packs when we were kids.
	Remember, guys?
	Come on.
	Nostalgia.
	We're in the fallout Snack packs, Desiree.
	Nobody ate fucking tuna packs when we were kids.
	Nobody fucking ate that shit ever.
	Listen, I have never even snack packs in bologna sandwiches, Desiree.
	They didn't eat fucking tuna.
	I have insulin resistance.
	I had to always eat meat.
	I have to eat a lot of stuff.
	Oh, it's oh, oh, wait, hold on.
	I really do.
	My friends know this about me.
	I'm kind of.
	Oh, it's in a can.
	I'm very sensitive.
	I was like, what the fuck?
	I have insulin resistance.
	Here, do you want that?
	That's true.
	Enjoy.
	Enjoy the tune in the can.
	Okay.
	Let's see.
	I just wanted to share with you.
	We are going to.
	We pulled up Twitch.
	Oh, really quick.
	Can you do?
	Let's do Debate University.
	Guys.
	Guys, you got to go to debateuniversity.com.
	DebateUniversity.com.
	You got to get the course.
	It's very handsome.
	Verbal combat.
	Verbal combat.
	You want to learn how to become a master debater like Andrew.
	And we kind of look alike, me and Andrew.
	Please don't insult me.
	Maybe you're his long lost.
	Please do not insult Andrew.
	Okay.
	Please do not insist.
	I saw you in 2006.
	Were you a milkman by any chance?
	Is your mom single?
	I mean, well, wasn't the momentum?
	Yeah, punctuation chip, actually.
	She would be very interesting to have on the show.
	We should have had her on with you.
	I agree.
	How old is she?
	Like 50.
	So, okay, if you want to learn how to think, debate, and craft arguments, you want to learn to be able to debate like Andrew Wilson, you need to get this course: Verbal Combat, Six Hours of Instruction, 80 plus different educational videos.
	You can find it at debateuniversity.com.
	Justin Martin's donated $30.
	Desiree looks like she sounds retarded.
	We're not allowed to say that in this generation.
	Are we allowed to say that?
	I'm autistic, you guys.
	You can't say that.
	I actually have a neurological about that, Desiree.
	Nobody believes that.
	Nobody.
	Do you need my diagnosis?
	You want to go through the HIPAA laws?
	We're going to raid.
	Who are we going to raid?
	Except everybody tells me I'm mentally ill, and then I tell you my diagnosis, and you don't believe me.
	So I'm going to bring you another diagnosis next time.
	Hey, so awesome.
	I have a diagnosis for psychosis.
	I have a diagnosis for moderate autism.tv/slash Aladara.
	All right, guys, we're going to wrap the show here.
	It was a long show.
	Appreciate the panel for making it to the end here.
	So, GG.
	Well played.
	GG, well played.
	Hold on one more time.
	Well played.
	To the panel.
	Last call.
	Hit the like button, please.
	Thanks, Desiree.
	Everybody except Desiree.
	On your way out.
	Thank you guys for tuning in tonight.
	Just pause the audio if you can.
	I'm not self-diagnosed.
	I actually gotta say that.
	Is the mouse okay?
	It's sketching now.
	Okay, every blank is a self-diagnosed autist.
	Probably he's using the redacted word.
	Why does everybody think I don't have a clinical diagnosis?
	I don't understand.
	Okay.
	So, guys, you could have been anywhere in the world, but you're here with me.
	I appreciate that.
	Thank you to everyone who super chats.
	Donate some supports the show.
	Your patronage means the world, guys.
	Lots of couldn't do the show without you guys, pretty much.
	So we're not like getting caller daddy offers from Spotify for 100, or I guess it's serious now.
	Like $100 million, $100 million for them.
	So not getting sponsorships.
	Old Man Maureen, thank you, man.
	Blank has definitely made a comeback.
	No cares about people saying retarded you, blank.
	FY, you're mentally ill and have horrible habits.
	You're not autistic, you are slur.
	I don't really know what there's a lot of blanks.
	Also, I don't understand what diagnosis would be end of the show.
	So we will be live again Tuesday at 5 p.m. Pacific.
	We have a very good show planned for Tuesday.
	Any girls who want to be on the show, DM out whatever on Instagram.
	If you can make it to Santa Barbara, 07's in the chat.
	Let's see.
	We need to.
	Can you pull up Aladar on the window tab?
	Okay.
	That should be fine.
	Guys, he's playing World of Warcraft.
	You can put the audio on.
	Could you X out that Celebrate September thing that's down there?
	Just hit the X. Yep.
	Okay.
	Guys who watch on Twitch, drop us a follow before I send you off.
	If you have a follow that really, really, really like. You can lower it on the keyboard.
	I'm doing sports.
	Okay.
	Guys, I'm going to send a raid to Aladar.
	He's playing World of Warcraft Classic.
	He's got 45 viewers now, so we're going to send over a nice little raid to him.
	Thank you guys for watching on Twitch.
	I'm going to send that raid over right now.
	Thank you guys.
	That should be heading out in just a sec.
	We're going to just watch him for just 30 seconds.
	And he's playing a shaman, Lane.
	I don't play really anything now.
	You can make it a little louder.
	Who's this?
	Somebody raided.
	Hey, whatever.
	What's up, man?
	Where is he?
	Is he in Desilus?
	Where is he?
	Where is this guy?
	Where is that?
	Is that Desilus?
	I was watching your last podcast that I was watching.
	Thank you very much, dude.
	Very much appreciated.
	All right.
	You can exit out of that.
	You can exit.
	Welcome, everyone.
	All right.
	Okay, I think that's it.
	Are we forgetting anything?
	I don't think so.
	Was there anything else we had to pull up?
	Any I think we're all good.
	All right, guys.
	O7's in the chat.
	I hope you guys have a good night.
	We're gonna send a raid over, a redirect over to Andrew Wilson's channel.
	He's gonna be streaming for a few more minutes after we wrap.
	So, 07's in the chat, guys.
	I hope you guys have a really good night, and we will see you on Tuesday.
	Good night, guys.
	Oh, do you want to?
	Hold on, I'll press it.

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