Whatever Podcast - 34 Year Old VlRGlN Has CRAZY High Standards?! PREGNANT From A One Night Stand?! 100+ Dates For $$$?! Dating A Horse Girl?

Sept. 2, 2024 - Whatever Podcast

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34 Year Old VlRGlN Has CRAZY High Standards?! PREGNANT From A One Night Stand?! 100+ Dates For $$$?! Dating A Horse Girl? | Dating Talk #192

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	My name is Sarah.
	I've just turned 24.
	I'm a stay-at-home mom now, but I'm studying to be a birth and labor doula.
	Do you say location?
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	I'm from Vegas, but we're making the move to Oceanside, California right now.
	Grew up in Vegas?
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	Okay.
	All right.
	What about you?
	My name is Anna.
	I'm 20.
	I go to UCSB, and I currently live in Santa Barbara.
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	New Orleans.
	New Orleans, Louisiana.
	Yep.
	Okay.
	And what are you studying at UCSB?
	Film.
	Film, okay.
	And you're going into your junior year?
	Fourth year.
	Senior, okay.
	What about you?
	Hi, I'm Nancy.
	I'm 38.
	I'm a massage therapist, and I live in Ventura, California.
	All right, welcome.
	What about you?
	I'm Liz.
	I am 26 years old.
	I am an ABA therapist.
	I live in the Valley, North Hollywood.
	And I'm from a small town, Santa Paula, which is like a hopskip and a jump.
	What's an AVA therapist?
	ABA.
	So autism.
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	Applied BBC.
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	Okay.
	Got it.
	What about you?
	Hi, my name is Lauren.
	I'm 21 years old.
	I'm a student at California State University, Fresno.
	I'm a server, an influencer, and I also do social media marketing.
	What are you studying at school?
	Computer science.
	Computer science.
	And you want to become a software engineer, I'm assuming?
	No.
	What do you want to do?
	I want to stick to marketing.
	So I'm going to go back for a marketing degree and go double major.
	Okay, all right.
	And how many horses do you own?
	I own five.
	And you're into.
	Because you do equestrian stuff.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	And you compete or?
	Yeah, I competed for a long time.
	And then since college and I have like three different jobs, it's hard to like leave all the time.
	But all five horses are in training right now.
	Do you own, you own all five?
	Okay.
	And did you have them?
	Do you get horses when they're horses?
	You own them or yeah, I own them.
	It's not that your dad owns them?
	No.
	Anything, I'm 21 now.
	Anything that I want now, I have to pay for it.
	It's Lauren sponsored now.
	Oh.
	So dad didn't buy any of the horses?
	Nope.
	I bought them all.
	No.
	Okay.
	You're 21, though.
	Yeah.
	So you bought them all post 18 years old or?
	Yeah.
	I bought them from the age of 20 to now.
	Oh.
	What about, like, were you not doing horse stuff prior?
	No, I did.
	But that was parent-funded.
	Oh, okay.
	How much does a horse cost?
	Like, if I wanted to go buy a horse, how much does it cost to buy a horse?
	Depends.
	They can be free or up to a million dollars.
	That's helpful.
	There's no range because I've gotten horses for free and I've seen horses go for a million dollars.
	Yeah, usually, I mean, the going rate for a horse is usually around 20 to 30K.
	How much were your horses?
	Most of them were under the 10,000s.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	All right.
	So like $50,000 for all five?
	No, about.
	And then, like, do you have a stable?
	How does that, you got a stable?
	Well, my parents have a property, but I don't keep any of my horses there.
	They're up of Long California, and there are some in like little cities around where I live.
	Okay.
	They're all in different areas?
	You don't keep them all in like one location?
	They're in training.
	So some of them go to different trainers for different things.
	Oh, okay.
	All right.
	And do you do racing or do you do the jumping stuff?
	What do you do?
	I do barrel racing and I'm in raining.
	Sorry, I'm raining.
	So raining is like you're given a pattern and you're supposed to follow that pattern in a certain way.
	Okay.
	And then barrel racing, what's that?
	It's rodeo, so you have three barrels and then you got to go around three barrels in a certain way.
	And then whoever is the fastest gets the nice buckle and a nice check.
	All right, cool.
	What about you?
	Hi, I'm Daisy.
	I'm from like Ventura, California, and I'm an esthetician.
	Age?
	25.
	All right.
	What about you?
	Hi, everyone.
	My name's Lauren Harkins.
	I'm 34 now.
	I'm from Maine.
	Born and raised.
	Doing social media at the moment, social media influencer, media personality.
	And I have a background in corrections.
	I used to work with male and female federal inmates, as well as a college age tutor for state female inmates.
	Were you a CO?
	No, I worked at a residential re-entry center, so I worked as they were just being released from prison.
	Got it.
	Okay.
	Maddie.
	My name is Madison.
	I'm 19 years old.
	I'm from San Diego, California.
	I'm a full-time student at Santa Barbara City College currently, and I'm here at the Whatever podcast.
	All right.
	Welcome.
	And then we do have Andrew.
	Go ahead, Andrew.
	Yeah, my name is Andrew Wilson.
	I'm the host of The Crucible.
	I'm a political satirist, a political analyst, and I also occasionally engage in debates from time to time.
	All right, welcome, Andrew.
	the way crucible crew you like uh you like andrew shaved or with uh i think we prefer the beard andrew i've been in i've been in the streams They're missing the beard.
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	I do shave it like twice a year.
	I've always done that.
	But yeah, I've been getting a lot of flack.
	Useless Andrew is not the popular Andrew, that's for sure.
	Well, it'll grow back soon enough.
	So going around the table, what's everybody's current relationship status?
	So are you single, talking stage, situationship, friends with benefits, relationship, married, polycule, sex, cult, harem, whatever it may be?
	If you're single, how long have you been single?
	What's the longest relationship you've ever been in?
	I just recently got married in February.
	My husband and I were together for a total of two years, but we had like six months where we were off.
	So I guess like one and a half years.
	But we, yeah, we just recently got married in February.
	Oh, you're married?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	And you were together for how long?
	Two, I guess like technically one and a half years because we had six months out of that year where we were off, but still like in communication.
	Yeah.
	Just not together.
	And you have a kid, correct?
	Yes, but it's not his baby.
	Wait.
	Different dad.
	Oh, okay.
	So, wait, hold on.
	Yeah, I had the baby.
	I gave birth in 2022, and me and my current husband started dating shortly after I gave birth, if that makes sense.
	Wait, so gave birth.
	Does that make sense?
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	So gave birth.
	Pregnant 2021.
	2021.
	Gave birth 2022.
	Me and my husband got together in August of 2022.
	Did you meet your husband prior to the birth?
	No, my husband was my first boyfriend in high school.
	Oh, so you guys had dated previously?
	Yeah.
	He was my first partner.
	So we kind of, you know.
	So you broke up, then got a kid, then got back together.
	We broke up.
	We broke up for like, I don't know, four or five years.
	In that meantime, I dated someone else.
	I got pregnant.
	Me and his dad isn't involved.
	How long were you dating the father of your child?
	Not long.
	I was just someone I hooked up with, and then I got pregnant by that.
	If that makes sense.
	Like a one-night stand?
	Pretty much, yeah.
	It was like the first worst.
	Wait, you guys had sex one time?
	Yeah.
	Got pregnant?
	Yep.
	Yep.
	And did you continue seeing him for a bit or it was just.
	No, he, no.
	We never dated.
	He didn't want to be involved, so I was just.
	Yeah.
	And so.
	How did you meet him?
	Like a dating app or anything?
	We met on Discord.
	You met on Discord.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	We met on Discord through like mutual friends.
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	Andrew, why are you copying my shape-style bro?
	Not cool.
	Yeah, Akuma chiming in with his Kumar rhetoric already.
	So it's way too early in the podcast for your Kumar rhetoric, Beaten Cheeks.
	Also, I'm not sure.
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	Wait, so okay.
	You met him on Discord.
	What was the Discord?
	Was it for Pokemon or what was it?
	No, it was just like a talking Discord.
	Like it was just, you know, just random publications.
	Like it was.
	You're from Vegas.
	So it's like for Vegas, people in Vegas.
	He was in Virginia.
	I flew out to see him.
	Wait, wait, wait, hold on.
	So you live in Vegas.
	Yeah.
	He lived in Virginia.
	I forgot.
	So when did you, prior to flying out to meet him, when did you meet him?
	Or when did you like first get in contact?
	Maybe like a month prior.
	Okay.
	For a month we had been in acquaintance.
	Not acquaintance, but we'd known each other for like a month and then I.
	So it was a talking Discord.
	It wasn't like a shared hobby.
	No, it's just like one of those servers that like people just make like group chats, kind of.
	There's like a thousand people in there and he was the owner of it.
	I got added into it by a mutual friend.
	Is he a content creator?
	No.
	So he, I don't know how to explain it, but he so my mutual friend from Vegas added me to it because he was in it.
	But they, I guess it was a gaming server.
	Maybe that makes more sense because they do play games on that server.
	Okay.
	So maybe that's how, I don't know.
	So you flew out there and how did you stay with him?
	Yeah, for a weekend.
	For a weekend.
	You guys hooked up.
	Yep.
	You flew back.
	Yep.
	Four weeks later.
	Probably like a week later I found out I was pregnant.
	Oh, okay.
	Yeah.
	Were you guys, were you on birth control at the time?
	No.
	I've never been on birth control.
	Using condom?
	No.
	Did he blast inside?
	Sorry, repeat it.
	Repeat it.
	We didn't hear it.
	Repeat it.
	Yes.
	Yes, he blasted.
	Yes, he did.
	How many times?
	Twice.
	There was no conversation about birth control or anything like that?
	There was a conversation of like if this might happen, like if I might get, if I were to get pregnant.
	And the conversation was like, yeah, if you get pregnant, that's okay.
	I was like, okay.
	And I really, I liked him.
	So I was like, all right.
	Does he pay you child support?
	No, he's not involved at all.
	Okay.
	Do you want him to pay child support or?
	No.
	No.
	So I have just a couple clarification questions.
	I was wondering about.
	If he's not involved at all, then you have not insisted that he is involved at all.
	Has he actually taken a paternity test?
	No.
	So he didn't push for one.
	I mean, he's the only guy that I slept with that year, so there's no other possible father.
	But I mean, as far as we know, right?
	Well, yeah.
	But yeah, he never pushed for a paternity test.
	He just we came to the mutual agreement.
	He didn't want to be involved.
	We had a conversation earlier this year, and he also reiterated that he didn't want to be involved.
	And that's okay.
	I didn't want to push it.
	So he's not involved.
	So you and your husband are supporting the child?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Nick, private chat.
	Okay, so, okay, that's interesting.
	And I think one thing in your notes here that you had provided is that you maybe we come to it.
	No, we'll go to it now.
	You had said something along the lines of waiting until marriage now that you've because you had the kid, right?
	But when it came to having sex, you wanted to, after having the kid, wanted to wait till marriage.
	Is that correct?
	Yeah.
	So your current husband, did you guys wait until marriage?
	We did.
	Well, it's kind of hard to explain.
	So we were dating after I had my son.
	We waited a few months and then we did start having.
	I don't can I say sex?
	Can I say that here?
	Yeah.
	We did start having sex and then there was a period of time where we decided that it'd be best for us to wait until marriage.
	We ended up breaking up after that and then we got back together like six months later and then waited like three months and then got married right after.
	Wait, when you say we decided?
	We mutually agreed to just wait.
	Mutual.
	So he was having sex with you and then you mutually agreed?
	Yeah, like I brought it up in discussion and said that.
	You mean you decided that?
	I came to the decision, yes, and then he agreed that it was probably right, but so he didn't want that.
	You want that?
	Maybe not, yeah.
	Since I initiated it.
	Can I quickly just quickly interject?
	I wanted to make sure that I have this right in my notes.
	You said you knew a week after you had slept with this guy, you were pregnant.
	About eight days after eight days after.
	So when you're not sure that that's possible.
	Yeah, so when how like ovulation works, the earliest you can check after ovulation is six to nine days is how long implantation occurs.
	So it can take, say like I say I ovulated, right?
	Seven days later implantation occurs.
	The next day, HCG, the pregnancy hormone, can start releasing.
	And pregnancy tests detect little as six milliliters of HCG, so you can test very, very early.
	I thought HCG was not something which was released until two weeks after the pregnancy.
	No.
	HCG is released after implantation.
	Okay, so, okay.
	I mean, I'll double-check my information here, but I thought that it took at least two weeks for you to determine that you were pregnant after conception.
	So they recommend you wait two weeks after ovulation because by two weeks you would be four weeks pregnant.
	And at four weeks pregnant, your HCG would be at least at like 400 to 500 milliliters, which is very detectable on a pregnancy test.
	Anywhere from like six to nine days DPO, which is like days past ovulation, your HCG would be anywhere from as low as to six milliliters to say like 30 milliliters and it would just show as a faint line.
	So that's why they say wait two weeks because that's when the line would be a definitive yes or no.
	Okay.
	Yeah, like I said, I'll double check.
	I mean, maybe I'm wrong, but I've never, I've never actually heard of.
	I didn't even know that a woman could know within eight days after conception that she was pregnant.
	I thought that it took longer than that.
	Eight days after ovulation.
	So conception and ovulation are different.
	Yeah, but you said you knew eight days later.
	Yeah, eight days, because I was ovulating that weekend.
	That's why.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	If that makes sense.
	So in your notes, you said, does not do casual hookups.
	You've been celibate until marriage.
	After becoming a single mom, I've had to rewire all my standards.
	Around the time I met my child's father, I didn't have standards at all.
	You were okay with hooking up with whoever, no thoughts behind it.
	Yeah.
	Well, I wouldn't say whoever.
	Is that what I said?
	And yeah, some of your older notes.
	So the timeline's a little interesting.
	So you said that you mutually decided with your now husband to wait, but you guys were hooking up, but then you stopped.
	You broke up.
	Was the breakup precipitated by the change in sexual access, I guess you could say?
	No, the breakup was related to something else.
	It wasn't.
	How soon after the change in your desire to have sex with your now husband did the breakup occur?
	Actually, very soon.
	Yeah, pretty soon.
	We broke up like maybe a week, two.
	Actually, no, we broke up like two, two, three weeks after that conversation.
	But you're saying it's something else that precipitated the breakup?
	Yeah.
	I don't know.
	I guess it would be related to that, but we were just arguing a bit more, so I don't know.
	But now, when it came to the withholding of the sex or the change-up when it came to you wanting to have sex until you're married, was that because of the arguing or just for your own that like you had your own values?
	Oh, well, yeah, I so because the reason I wanted to start waiting until marriage was I had found Christ at that point and I felt like it was the more virtuous thing to just start waiting and to be more disciplined.
	That was one of my bigger struggles, so I wanted to challenge myself on that and staying celibate.
	Hmm.
	If that makes sense.
	And so.
	What?
	What?
	It's just you guys were arguing a lot.
	You were previously in a sexual relationship with your boyfriend at the time.
	You then found God and then had a change up when it came to your willingness to have sex with your boyfriend.
	I mean, I'm not totally so.
	Is he religious?
	Yeah.
	Did he only become religious after you started withholding sex from him?
	No.
	No, he was already religious.
	Before I became religious.
	Well, it seems you had a more, yeah.
	Well, he had no objections to premarital sex, whereas you did.
	Yeah.
	I guess it was just different, like different discerning thoughts, different convictions, I guess.
	It was, I think for me, it was something I had a more personal conviction on.
	I'm just keeping some of that.
	I'm just curious if your husband started withholding sex from you now.
	Do you think that would lead to arguments?
	Yeah, I'm sure.
	Yeah.
	I wouldn't deny that.
	Well, is it safe to say that that's what precipitated the initial breakup?
	I think that's safe to assume, sure.
	I'm not denying that that's like a possible reason why we started arguing more and maybe having more like conflicts.
	And did you date anybody else in that time period?
	I talked to one person, but we never dated.
	Okay.
	Well, I'm sure we can get back to that a little bit.
	It's certainly interesting.
	Yeah, we'll come back to it later.
	Your relationship status?
	I've been in a relationship for about three months with my girlfriend, but we've been talking for like a year and a half.
	So, kind of weird.
	Wait, sorry.
	Could you, you've been a year and a half you've been dating?
	We've been like kind of basically dating for a year and a half, but only officially for three months.
	Okay, well, I'll say three.
	Longest relationship?
	The longest I've been in?
	Eight months.
	And are you bi, lesbian?
	Bi.
	Bi?
	Okay, you've dated men before?
	I have.
	The eight-month one?
	Was that with a man or?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	All right.
	The eight-month with the guy?
	Yes.
	And how did you meet your current girlfriend?
	Tinder.
	Tinder, okay.
	Yeah.
	All right.
	All right.
	What about you?
	I'm single.
	Dating, I guess.
	Dating?
	What does that mean?
	I'm not in a relationship.
	I'm talking to people.
	How many people?
	Well, I'm very careful who I share my body with.
	So that's like talking and flirting and stuff is like one thing.
	And sharing my body with somebody is a different thing.
	So I am going to leave it at that.
	Well, that's fine.
	How many people are you not sharing your body with then?
	How many people am I not sharing my body with?
	Billions.
	Well, that you're talking to, anyways.
	A lot.
	I was on a dating app, but in Texas because I just don't like California guys.
	So I was going out there and flying out there quite often to like I dated some guys for a couple months actually.
	Had some strange experiences.
	I thought I was gonna like get married to a couple of them.
	I have a lot of family and friends out there.
	So yeah.
	Okay.
	How long have you been single for?
	From my last real relationship, I would say that 20, hold on, let me think, 2022.
	Yeah, so two years.
	Yeah.
	And you were married, right?
	I was not married, and that's not the one I'm talking about.
	I was in a relationship with the father of my kids.
	I have three kids.
	And that ended two years ago?
	No.
	That was just a two-year relationship that I had.
	I've been split up from the father of my kids for eight years.
	We were together from me being 18 to 30, so for 12 years.
	But not married, correct?
	Engaged for 12 years.
	Okay.
	And he's the father.
	You have three kids?
	Yes.
	He's the father of all three?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	And ever married?
	Never married, but I've been engaged.
	Okay, gotcha.
	And when did you have your kids?
	I was 20 when I had our first daughter, and then I was 24, I think, or 23 when I had, so long ago, when I had my second one, and 27 with our third, which is a boy.
	How old's your eldest daughter?
	She's 17.
	She just graduated high school.
	She's a college student now.
	All right, cool.
	What about you?
	I'm single.
	How long have you been single?
	I would say like three, four years now.
	Longest relationship?
	Three, four years.
	How longest relationship was probably like two years?
	Two years, okay.
	Yeah.
	You've been single for three to four years.
	Yeah.
	So you've been celibate for three to four years.
	I've been single for three to four years.
	Are there any guys in the picture currently?
	Why are you laughing so hard?
	Yes, I am.
	Yes, I am dating.
	Okay.
	So what's the nature of your dating?
	It all just comes with like feeling getting to know the person.
	I think that like I've had stages where like I wild out and like, don't get me wrong, like I've had like one-night stands and stuff, but it comes to a point of like not doing that anymore.
	So I actually downloaded a dating app because my friend told me that I should.
	Because you won't.
	We'll react to your app a little bit later.
	How long have you been on the dating app for?
	Like two weeks.
	Is your first time ever on a dating app?
	I've been on Tinder before.
	Okay.
	So is there a guy currently in the picture then?
	No.
	No.
	I thought you were dating.
	I went on like, okay, so I went on one date and then I went on a date with a girl.
	Oh, okay.
	So are you by?
	No, I only went on the date to see what like the stimulation would be.
	The what?
	Stimulation.
	The stimulation?
	Like, would I be stimulated?
	Oh.
	Okay.
	Sure.
	Okay.
	You know, were you stimulated?
	I was a little curious.
	You know, I wouldn't, like, I've like messed with girls before.
	What does that mean?
	I've had three sums.
	Three some.
	Three sums.
	Like, two girls, one guy?
	Yes.
	Three girls?
	Two girls, one guy.
	Okay.
	All right.
	But like, have you been on dates with girls before?
	No.
	And like a majority of my friends are actually like lesbian.
	Can I say that?
	Yeah, that's fine.
	Okay, cool.
	That's fine.
	The majority of your friends are lesbian friends.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Let's be honest.
	All right.
	And so.
	So were you stimulated?
	I was like, you know what?
	They look like they're having a blast.
	I just want to maybe like dibble the dowel, get in the water.
	Do I put my girlfriend?
	Did you put up?
	No.
	No.
	Okay.
	Kiss?
	I've kissed some of my friends.
	I've kissed some of my friends.
	I kissed a girl.
	Yeah.
	All right.
	And so there's no guys in the picture.
	No guys.
	There's not one guy.
	Well, you look disappointed.
	Are you disappointed?
	Do you want to take me on a date?
	No.
	I'm kidding.
	No.
	Then I think that I've been on a date and I felt like it wasn't really there.
	There's guys that I've been texting consecutively.
	So I would like not to the point of conversation to be like, this is a thing.
	Like we just went on dates and stuff.
	Like we'll text, but it's not going to be like.
	What's the do you have a roster currently?
	No.
	Actually, that's why I got on the dating app because I felt like I didn't have enough like hose.
	So you want more hoes?
	I just want to be entertained or stimulated, I guess.
	You want to be entertained or stimulated?
	Both.
	Both.
	Okay.
	What's the difference between being entertained and stimulated?
	Entertainment comes with like something that could be intriguing or entertainment can just be like talking.
	I wasn't really like talking to anybody, so I felt like it was like I need to open up my doors to like meeting new people, I guess.
	And that was like the easier access point, especially now in our generation.
	Question for the entire panel on the entertainment thing.
	How important is it to you to be entertained by your significant other, whether man or woman?
	Intellectually stimulated?
	No, entertained.
	Entertained, like they dance for you, like they dance.
	What do you mean?
	Well, they could be, perhaps they're funny.
	Yeah, that's really important.
	Oh, yeah, 100%.
	They're conversational.
	Yeah, conversationalists.
	They're conversationalists.
	They have good banter.
	Yeah, it's super important.
	I'd say that's like a 10 of importance.
	Yeah.
	Important.
	Yeah.
	If a guy can entertain you, is it a no-go?
	I'm still stuck on the definition of how we're defining entertaining in this context.
	How about you're not bored?
	Actually, that's not fair.
	That's not fair.
	You're entertained.
	I don't know.
	It holds your attention.
	Something that you want to look at, something that you want to see, something that you want to be around because it occupies your mind.
	That's a perfect.
	I would say yes and no.
	I would say it's not like a total loss if a guy, like if I were saying, oh, this guy wasn't totally entertaining me, I wouldn't say it's like an immediate no.
	Okay.
	I feel like for a relationship, you should be entertained, not just like stagnantly sitting there.
	be entertained like is it like I would say it's important in a relationship If you're just talking to somebody, maybe not as much.
	Okay.
	What was the question again?
	How important is being entertained?
	It's super important.
	It's a 10.
	I think you can be just a hot guy that's boring or dumb.
	And girls can sometimes be just as shallow as guys and just go after a guy because they're hot.
	And that goes both ways.
	Sure.
	If you're boring, I think that's kind of a deal breaker.
	Well, not like boring, but like not entertaining.
	Not entertaining.
	Because I've talked to guys who are like, they do 80 million different things, and it's super fun to get to know different experiences, getting to go do something new that you haven't done before.
	If a guy does the same thing as you do or does less, it's kind of like, okay, where's the fun in that?
	Like, I want to go learn.
	I'm a learner.
	Okay.
	I like learning.
	I've been told I have ADHD, so I need to be entertained.
	Okay.
	I like entertainment, yes.
	Maddie?
	Yeah, but I can be really easily entertained.
	Also true.
	I wonder what, how much component of this, I mean, obviously society has changed significantly.
	But I mean, like, there's Netflix, HBO.
	Can't you just be entertained?
	You're already like, you know, you got TikTok, attention span, 10 seconds.
	For all of human history, there was a complete lack of entertainment.
	And now, not only do women demand entertainment from media, but also we as men are Dylan Joe donated $200.
	Is it fair for your chick to have trust issues with you even if you're innocent and show no signs of being unfaithful?
	Andrew, you're a fucking beast the way you unapologetically preach the truth.
	Yo, thank you, Dylan.
	Appreciate it.
	Is it fair for your chick to have trust issues with you, even if you're innocent?
	We'll come back to that, Dylan.
	I'll pull that one back up so I can get through all this.
	Just interesting.
	So going back to it, it's just interesting to me.
	Like, why do y'all look for men to be your entertainment?
	Wait, when you guys are never, like, providing entertainment.
	It goes both ways.
	I am very entertaining in my relationships.
	I keep them laughing.
	I suggest fun things to do.
	I'm super outdoorsy.
	I take them to really cool places.
	No, like go hike and go in a cave and go in a waterfall, lay out in the sun in the mountains, like skydiving.
	It goes both ways.
	I would never demand something that I'm not willing to also put forward.
	Where's that comedian?
	I think it's Bill Burr, and he says something along the lines of, you know, us men, we have very busy lives.
	We just kind of want to relax on the weekends.
	And if you're dating, if you're dating, you just get your sh your weekend filled up with stuff.
	Oh, let's do brunch.
	You know?
	I never go to bed.
	Can't we just, I'm tired.
	You don't want to eat it.
	No, I think it's a balance.
	Like, you don't want eating hats.
	You know, I don't know.
	You want like what you like.
	Yeah, that's like your partner.
	You don't need to be like doing class time.
	You want like some.
	Some people like boring, though.
	Like, don't get me wrong.
	There's no such thing.
	Like, there can be entertainment, and there can also be people that are just okay with being boring to each his own.
	But like, I feel like personally, it comes on like perspective.
	Like, hey, you know, I like to be entertained.
	I'm pretty sure if you like to be entertained, that's probably why we get along together.
	You know what I mean?
	Like, do you like to be entertained or do you like boring?
	I like boring.
	Give me boring.
	Give me boring.
	I think it's a matter of like if this person isn't able to entertain you consistently, is it a deal breaker?
	Or are you okay with like some, I don't know if stagnant's the right word, but like are you comfortable silences?
	Yeah, like just coexisting.
	Like complex sacrifices and stuff too.
	Like, hey, okay, like they can do a balance of like, maybe they can like, okay, I'm hearing you out.
	Maybe you're not so much entertaining on this part, but like we can figure it out together.
	And that's something like you said, like, is that a deal breaker for you for me?
	Yeah.
	It's not a deal breaker, but I would like for it to be entertaining.
	Take it.
	But it's not going to be like, oh my gosh, I'm not going to date you because you're not entertaining.
	Like, no, I can be boring too.
	Like, you don't have to go to brunch.
	No brunch.
	No brunch.
	Just lunch.
	I guess, at least from my perspective, I'm not looking to a woman to like spike my like excitement level.
	Stimulated?
	Really?
	Yeah, like in terms of like you being like some super banter or really funny.
	I don't look for that in as long as she's like attractive, that stimulates you.
	Well, you can, there's a lot of things I care about.
	There's a lot of things I care about beyond looks when it comes to like your character and your personality.
	But your ability to entertain me is kind of irrelevant.
	Don't care at all.
	Would you say looks is like a big thing?
	Like for when you look forward to that.
	But like I'm not like the in terms of what you bring to the table when it comes to your personality, your ability to make me laugh or entertain me is very low on the totem pole.
	So what are your like top five things?
	What are your top five things that you look for priorities for?
	So I mean the biggest one.
	We'd be looking for things like pretty, hot, good looking, very attractive.
	It's a wonderful list.
	I would look for like those five quality.
	I think that those are the best five.
	Those are pretty good.
	Yeah.
	I mean, I'd say the biggest thing is, so bringing peace.
	So we actually asked this last show, and maybe Nick, you could pull up that tweet again.
	So, oh, what was that?
	I'm trying to remember what the question was exactly, but I would rather, like, I think a lot of women would rather date a really like charismatic, entertaining guy, but it comes with constant conflict and arguing versus dating like a dull, boring guy who otherwise treats you nice and treats you well.
	And there's never any conflict.
	No, I would rather have the latter.
	I honestly, I hate conflict.
	I'm the boring guy with no conflict.
	I hate conflict so much.
	I have like a, like a fight, like a three-fight rule.
	Like if we argue like three times, like a heated argument, like I'm done with you.
	Okay.
	Because there's not many reasons to argue with me.
	I'm pretty easygoing.
	Oh, balance.
	Yeah.
	Balance.
	Well, yeah, you can have no conflict and then also have somebody who's charismatic and entertaining, I suppose.
	But it seems if it's one or the other.
	A lot of women will want the conflict plus the entertaining charismatic guy.
	I don't think it has to be one or the other.
	I think it can be both.
	No, but in his scenario that he's born.
	Sure, yeah.
	Whatever fan donated $200.
	I would also like to concur with Andrew's top five lists.
	Please add a baddie to that list as well.
	Let Andrew cook.
	All right.
	Thank you, Mr. Dan.
	No, no, that baddy doesn't make the list.
	No.
	Yeah, I think the question that we asked last time is: would you rather be with a boring guy, but there is never any conflict arguing or with a really entertaining, fun, interesting guy, but there's constant conflict arguing.
	Boring.
	Boring.
	Boring, no conflict.
	Which do you pick?
	Isaiah Baland.
	I feel you.
	No, you gotta pick one or the other.
	I guess boring.
	I like to make up, so I like a little argument.
	Okay.
	Boring.
	Boring.
	I don't know.
	I guess boring.
	Okay.
	As long as it's not like, you know, aggressive.
	We'll continue with the relationship status here.
	What about you?
	Oh, thank goodness.
	Techno Trooper donated $200.
	How many bodies is too many bodies for a female?
	What is past the threshold where it is unacceptable?
	How many bodies is too many bodies for a female?
	What is past the threshold where it is unacceptable?
	It depends on age, but once you, you know what?
	Techno.
	We're going to have to save it for later, okay?
	We'll save it for later, Techno.
	But actually, yeah, we'll save it for later, Techno.
	I'll write it down and we'll get back to it because we got to get through relationship status.
	Go ahead.
	I'm in a relationship.
	Why were you, like, hesitant to?
	Because I just got out of one, and now I'm in one.
	Oh, that's why.
	And I haven't really told anybody I'm in one.
	Oh, okay.
	How long have you been in this new relationship?
	Like a couple weeks.
	Okay.
	I was going to say a month, and I was like, that has not been a month yet.
	So a couple weeks.
	Longest relationship?
	Two years.
	Was that the one that just ended?
	No.
	Okay.
	So how soon after the breakup did you get into a relationship with this new guy?
	Four months?
	Three, four months?
	Three, four months passed.
	Yeah.
	Between.
	Okay.
	And how long were you dating the last guy?
	Like, we were talking for six months.
	We dated for five.
	It was very short-lived.
	Okay.
	All right.
	How did you meet this most recent guy?
	We met at a bar in Old Town Clovis, and he came up to me.
	I ignored him.
	And then he came up to me again.
	I ignored him again.
	And then finally, we started talking.
	Wait, he came up to you?
	Yeah.
	You ignored him?
	Yeah.
	He came up to you.
	You ignored him twice?
	Yeah.
	Wait, so okay, walk me through it.
	So he came up to me, he's like, hi, and I said, hi, and then I kind of like turned my back, and he was like still talking.
	And then he said, he like started a conversation again, and I was like, I answered his question, and then I ignored him again.
	I turned back to my friends, and then he asked me again, and I was like, okay, he won't leave me alone.
	I'll start talking.
	So, like, was it he left and came back, or he was just standing there?
	Well, he was like standing there the first time, and then he walked away, and I think he came back.
	I don't know.
	I wasn't paying attention to him.
	I was also like with my friends, and like when I go out, I'm like with my friends.
	I don't try to like, I don't go to bars or like go out to like meet guys.
	I go out there to spend time with my friends.
	So I didn't really pay attention.
	Wait, so roleplay it.
	So pretend that's your girlfriend right there.
	Okay.
	So he just came up, he said, hey, then you.
	Okay, so.
	Okay, we're at the bar.
	Yeah.
	Hey, what's up?
	Cheers.
	Hi.
	I'm Josh.
	Nice to meet you, Josh.
	Damn.
	Okay.
	Wait, was the split?
	Did we miss it?
	No, I got it.
	I just split it at the last second.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	So you ignored him two times.
	Okay.
	So were you just not into him?
	Or like.
	Well, like, so I just got out of a relationship like before that, so I didn't know like what to do, really.
	And so, again, like I said, when I go out, I don't go out to like find a hookup or to meet other guys.
	I'm just there with my girlfriends and their friends.
	And we all just like have fun.
	Yeah.
	Would you prefer men like approach you in person versus on social media?
	So when a guy did approach you in person, you've blanked him.
	Basically.
	Yeah.
	Sorry.
	I feel bad, but it's okay.
	Well, I suppose he was persistent and you continued dating him, but that's true.
	I mean, most guys would probably slink, like slink away after the right.
	And people, girls are like, oh, you should just go try to approach girls in person.
	But like.
	There you go.
	Bro, they fucking blank you.
	A girl will blank you.
	Hi.
	Turn their fuck, turn their head right away.
	So that's interesting.
	What do you mean?
	Big ego.
	Like, if you have a good ego, don't let them tear you down just because you get a no.
	Like, says the group of women who have never approached a man.
	I approach men all the time.
	I've been rejected so many times.
	It's not that big of a deal.
	Girls approach men.
	I like to approach a guy.
	That's the same thing.
	Same frequency as they approach you, I'm sure.
	But actually, I mean, to your point, I feel like women are absolutely terrible at taking L's.
	In what way?
	I like laugh it off.
	That's why women don't approach because you're so terrified of rejection.
	And also because you don't have to, because men do it predominantly.
	I mean, sometimes I feel like in the generation that we're in now, a lot of men don't go up to women because I feel like.
	Yeah, because we don't want that.
	We don't want that.
	Aw, calm down.
	This is why I'm in the hot seat.
	They're in a happy relationship now.
	You're in a happy relationship now.
	Like, have you ever approached a girl and it went successful?
	Sure.
	There you go.
	So you don't have to look at it negatively.
	Like, sometimes you get a no and you get a yeah.
	Right, but I mean, most men don't want to like have to deal with that like 10 times in the night.
	And that's probably most guys' experience when they're trying to approach a girl.
	That's sure.
	I've seen that happen.
	You know what I mean?
	I played Wean Man before.
	In what ways do you think women act negatively when they're like approaching a man and they get rejected?
	In what ways?
	Yeah.
	What do you mean?
	I've never seen it.
	I can't take it.
	You've never seen what?
	A woman be rejected?
	Yeah.
	Exactly.
	Well, fair point.
	But like, when you say that.
	So even here's the difference, though.
	Yeah.
	So even if I just grant to you that yes, some women, sometimes, rarely, will approach men, your likelihood of success is going to be way higher.
	For sure.
	Way higher.
	So even then, you still don't do it.
	Most women still don't regularly approach, at least to the same degree that they'll be approached by men.
	I agree with that.
	No, I'm not blaming women.
	Why not blame the men that's a lot of people?
	Well, it's neither one of their fault.
	I think what I'm trying to clarify is like women can't handle rejection.
	I just don't know.
	I'm just trying to clarify, like, what do you mean?
	I'm not trying to challenge it.
	I just want to understand.
	You said that women can't handle the take the L.
	And then she's saying, like, what are the things that you're saying?
	She wants to know what, yeah, what's an example of that.
	What do they do?
	How do they act?
	Why do you think they're like, I don't know.
	It's just like.
	I don't know.
	I get rejected all the time, and it's not that big of a deal.
	I guess like in this conversation, like, yeah, there's the minority, like the minority of women like you and I, like, where we would approach men, right?
	But the majority don't.
	So I'm saying, like, I guess within these women that do approach men and react negatively, what does that look like?
	True.
	I don't know if that's a silly question.
	No, it's a little.
	I'm just kidding.
	I don't know.
	Well, it's not so much, I'm not really so concerned about their reaction as to perhaps one of the, well, I mean, there's a couple reasons why women don't approach at the same frequency as men.
	First off, you don't have to.
	Yeah.
	Like if a guy never takes initiative, most men, if they'll never take initiative, they'll never find somebody.
	Whereas women, you can wait for men to come to you and you'll find somebody that way.
	Most men, that's not an option for.
	Most men, they have to be very proactive.
	Secondly, I would say that, well, I think that's the primary thing: you don't really have to do the approaching.
	Yeah, I agree with that.
	I was just asking about the.
	But it's nice.
	I think it's nice.
	I approach men because I think men don't get complimented enough at the same frequency as women.
	So I think that it feels good to make a man feel nice and wanted.
	And I don't think they get that feeling very often.
	That's nice.
	I will never approach a man.
	I don't mind it.
	But was he being creepy or rude?
	Well, I think all men are creepy.
	Like, no offense to men.
	Not going to lie, in that area.
	Because, yeah, it's a bar scene, too.
	And my parents always have a menu.
	Yeah, Fresno's kind of sketchy.
	It is.
	It's a little sketchy.
	No offense to my home child.
	Yeah, no offense to me.
	Wait, so all men are creepy?
	Not all men.
	Most men are creepy.
	Most men are creepy.
	I see in my DMs and there's like these married men that are in my DMs or like old guys in my DMs.
	I'm like, I don't think your wife knows about this.
	But we're at the bottom.
	Let's differentiate here.
	So there's the married men who are DMing you.
	That's obviously objectionable, I suppose.
	But you said old men.
	Are they single?
	I don't know.
	I don't try to stalk them that much.
	When you say old men, what do you mean?
	Because you're 21.
	What's 60s?
	Okay.
	I mean.
	60s.
	Sorry, mom and dad.
	Okay.
	But I mean, it is just kind of like.
	So you're saying your boyfriend, your now boyfriend, was a creeper?
	I didn't say he was a creeper.
	You said all men are creepy.
	But so, okay, I ask you a question.
	If he's watching this, he's going to be like, really Lauren.
	He's going to call me out.
	Yeah, but so the question was.
	The question was, not your assessment of all men, but I asked just how, was your boyfriend when he approached you, was he creepy or rude?
	No, he wasn't creepy or rude.
	Okay.
	I just don't think I was in the headspace to like talk to anybody.
	Okay.
	So I think that's why I ignored it.
	Well, I mean, you don't owe anybody a conversation, but I mean.
	You guys met in person, right?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	So did you guys exchange numbers that night or something, and then he just kept texting you?
	Okay.
	All right.
	What about you?
	Relationship status?
	Single.
	Single?
	Okay, how long have you been single for?
	Eight months.
	All right.
	Longest relationship?
	One year.
	One year.
	All right.
	No guys in the picture currently?
	No guys.
	No guys?
	No guys.
	I'm trying to date, but men are.
	Men are what?
	They're not creepy.
	I don't think men are creepy.
	I would disagree with that.
	I feel like you think creepy guys are probably like the ugly ones or unattractive, I should say.
	But like, I was like telling my friend, like, if a hot guy like comes up to us and like compliments us, it's like, oh my God.
	But if an ugly guy comes up to and like tries like to flare the same thing, we're just like, oh my god, dude.
	Because she was like the other day, she was like, oh my God, he like walked up.
	This guy's following us.
	And I'm like, but if he was hot, trust me, you would have been all about it.
	I mean, that's an actually really good point.
	The exact same behavior will fall into desired or like undesired based on the attractiveness of the man.
	Obviously, there's some conduct and behavior that's unacceptable regardless.
	But what Andrew said, hot, good looking?
	Yeah.
	All of your five.
	It also goes, though, like when people, when girls are just nice to a guy, sometimes they misinterpret that as us flirting with them, and then it's like they just don't know when to quit.
	Like, hey, I was just being polite.
	Like, now, like, stop like, stop bothering me.
	That's so true.
	Doesn't mean that I just.
	Wait, didn't you say you'd go up to guys just to give them a compliment?
	Yeah, I would, yeah.
	No, no, no.
	And you just said men never receive compliments.
	What did you?
	Didn't you say like you'll go up to a guy and just give him a compliment?
	Yeah.
	Is it a guy that you're interested in?
	Sometimes.
	I mean, I compliment women too if I see them.
	Like, it doesn't have to be sexual.
	I just think in general, men don't feel enough appreciation and praise.
	So I just try to like, if I say, like, oh, wow, I really like your boots.
	Those are nice boots.
	Or you really play pool.
	Well, I don't know.
	It doesn't, I'm being just nice.
	That's cool.
	But I'm not talking about that.
	I'm talking about like if you're a customer service worker and a guy, you're like, be nice because you're just, that's your job.
	And then they like want your number.
	And then it's like, it just makes it uncomfortable.
	I think it's hard when you have like a friendly personality and you're just like a warm person.
	I feel like that's taken as like, oh, yeah.
	All right.
	You know what I mean?
	I feel like it's like taken like to the next level.
	Relationship status?
	Well, I'm single.
	I've never been in a relationship.
	And that's about it.
	You want to elaborate?
	Yes.
	Well, I feel like my teens and 20s, I just wasn't ready to date anyone.
	It really just wasn't a priority for me.
	I feel like I was just, I don't know, living my life.
	And it just wasn't something that I was super interested in, honestly.
	And then I also feel like I, on top of that, I don't experience attraction that often.
	So that also made it easy for me to avoid dating.
	Do you want to elaborate?
	And I am a virgin at 34 years old.
	Okay, thank you.
	And there was a New York Post article about this.
	Nick, could you pull it up?
	Oh, we got the article.
	We're going to get the New York Post article.
	I'm going to have you read it.
	Can you see the screen?
	You want me to read it?
	Yeah, go ahead.
	I'm a 33-year-old virgin who is not religious.
	This is why I've never had sex.
	That's not a direct quote, but that is true.
	Do you want to keep reading it?
	Yeah, please.
	A 33-year-old virgin says there's nothing wrong with being a late bloomer and insists it's quite common for millennials to have never done the deed.
	Also, not a direct quote, but yes.
	Lauren Harkins made the claim in an interview with Southwest News Service: revealing religion wasn't the reason why she's remained chaste.
	I'm a virgin, but I'm not traditional.
	Usually it's one or the other, but I'm just very content on my own.
	The Portland, Maine resident stated.
	That is true.
	Thank you, JJ.
	Okay.
	So, have you been on a date?
	I've never been on a date, no.
	Not even a date.
	I haven't because I am very all or nothing, so I'm not gonna go on a date with someone that I'm not interested in.
	I'm not gonna waste anyone's time.
	I'm not gonna waste my time, not gonna waste, I'm not gonna lead anyone on just to get a free meal.
	So, no, I've never been on a date with anyone.
	Have you been asked out on dates?
	I have.
	Okay.
	Yes.
	Have.
	How many times have you been asked out?
	Oh, golly.
	I don't know.
	I mean, asked out or like approached.
	I feel like asked out is kind of like next level.
	I feel like I've been approached more than I've been technically asked out a lot of times.
	Hundreds.
	Hundreds?
	Probably over the years.
	And you rejected them all?
	Yeah, I mean, like, a friendly way.
	I'm a friendly gal, but yeah.
	That's fine.
	Yeah.
	None of them, and was it lack of physical attraction, lack of I mean, for me, it's everything.
	It's like it's lack of physical attraction, but I think, I think it's also something that you just feel.
	If I feel someone is not for me, again, I'm not going to waste anyone's time.
	I personally do think that there has to be that feeling there.
	I think it's honestly the same with like friends.
	Like, I know who I like, who I want to be friends with.
	It's just, it's like who you jive with in that way.
	So it's not just, you know, for romantic relationships for me, I'm just very intentional with who I surround myself with.
	Have you ever felt that?
	With a man?
	Yeah.
	No.
	I mean, no, I've never, no one that I've met I've felt that for.
	Have you ever been physically attracted to a man?
	Yeah, I feel like I'm getting there.
	I feel like I've, to some extent, but also I feel like that, again, that emotional connection has to be there.
	So nothing specific that I can say.
	But.
	Have you ever.
	And do you, I'm just curious.
	And maybe this sounds a little off.
	You don't have to ask it or answer if you don't want to, but do you suffer from any forms of mental illness by chance?
	What's up, Andrew?
	I don't, actually.
	I don't.
	I'm actually, I think I'm a pretty healthy girl.
	I don't have any, I'm pretty fortunate.
	I don't have any mental illness to speak of.
	I don't have any trauma to speak of.
	Very limited baggage.
	Very.
	Well, can I qualify to you why I asked the question?
	Because I know that it seems a little off, right?
	Absolutely.
	Especially for somebody who promotes the virtue of chastity in society.
	Of course.
	The reason that I promote, though, the virtue of chastity in society is because it's a virtue.
	If somebody is angling for the virtuous end, I think that that end is good, right?
	So they're angling for it for virtue.
	But that does not appear to actually be what you're doing.
	It appears that it has nothing to do with virtue.
	You just don't find men to be particularly attractive, and so you don't sleep with them, right?
	That's fair.
	I think it's also, I think it's also both.
	I mean, I'm not religious, so I don't know if I would personally use the word virtue, but I do understand what you're saying.
	I think for me, it's yes, I don't experience attraction, but even if I did, I still think it's so important to be intentional about who you share your body with.
	I think it's important to be intentional about everything, honestly.
	Again, who you surround yourself with.
	Yeah, but you have no higher reason that you're appealing to for that.
	It's just like kind of an innate set of preferences that you have.
	So I wonder if these aren't just post hoc justifications for the fact that you're just not particularly attracted to men.
	And so you kind of justify these things by saying, well, I think that it's important.
	The reason that I'm not is because of XYZ.
	It's like a justification for this factor.
	Now, I'm not beating up on you.
	Just genuinely curious because it's rare that you run into a secularist who is a virgin, because of course, generally speaking, people pursue that because it's some kind of virtue.
	So I'm just wondering, since it's not a virtue, is this just a post hoc justification for, well, I'm just kind of like a social weirdo, right?
	I understand that.
	Does that make sense?
	You know what I mean?
	No, I get you.
	I get you.
	I don't take offense to that.
	I understand what you're saying.
	I do think, though, for me, it is both.
	Even if I was attracted to men at the same rate as, you know, other girls, I think I would still be just very selective with who I share my body with.
	I do think that's important.
	So, no, I don't think it's just a post hoc argument that I'm trying to make.
	But I respect your opinion.
	Yeah, well, I'm not, again, I'm not trying to beat you up.
	I'm actually just trying to kind of understand the worldview because there doesn't seem to be anything higher you're angling towards for this, right?
	So it's not in and of itself virtuous that you're pursuing the retention of your virginity because that's not why you're pursuing it, but rather because you just don't have any interest in having sex with men, essentially, is what I'm hearing.
	Is that about correct?
	No, that is correct.
	I mean, what would you say, like for you, what would you say is your position as far as the virtue is concerned?
	So that I can understand where you're coming from.
	Well, so generally, especially in modernity, a good sign of female virtue is intact chastity.
	And so, especially because that's under assault constantly, you'll note that women will often lose their virginity and then go and tell their friends they should do the same thing, right?
	It's like once the thing is gone, they almost want to kind of lead a train of women to also lose that virtue as well.
	And so, I think that often from the religious angle, there's kind of a higher value here of chastity.
	If I'm holding out for the right person because I'm pursuing the virtue of what it is to be chaste, but this is a different thing altogether.
	This is not, I'm holding out for the virtue of the thing or because I have some command that I'm following which is higher than me, but rather I just don't like, I'm just not attracted to men, so I don't want to have sex with them, right?
	So, it just seems like it's a totally different kind of angle that I'm not used to hearing.
	So, I wanted to kind of dive into it a little bit.
	Yeah, of course.
	No, that makes sense.
	Yeah, I don't know.
	I would say for- So I found it peculiar, right?
	And I'm going to bring this up too because I found it peculiar that there was an article run on this.
	And I think that if it had been a Christian woman who had kept her chastity intact, no such article would have been written, that nobody would have given a shit.
	But because you're coming at it from a secular angle, I think that they were more curious about it.
	So that's why I'm curious about it, right?
	Yeah, totally.
	I understand, like, the I feel like I am kind of in a league of my own with this one.
	I know it is a bit usually one or the other.
	It's you're either very traditional and saving yourself for a husband, and I think that's great, or it's, you know, you're.
	Yeah, but why do you think that's great?
	I think it's great.
	Well, so for me, I mean, I think it's great, again, to be intentional who you share your body with.
	And I think it's great to.
	But I mean, isn't a prostitute intentional about who she's sharing her body with?
	Yeah, that's fair.
	That's a good point.
	I think, well, I think just for me, like, I don't, that just, that lifestyle just does not appeal to me.
	That modern life.
	Well, that I can agree with, right?
	The lifestyle just doesn't appeal to you.
	I understand that.
	But see what I mean by like the post hoc justification?
	Yeah.
	When you say things that are kind of empty, like, I think that you should be very conscientious of who you share your body with.
	I'm not confident that, you know, like working girls are not sure who they're sharing their body with, right?
	So this is why I don't want there to be any confusion that there's some type of virtue which is being pursued here because that's not what's going on.
	And so I wanted to dive into why is this actually being pursued?
	Because it seems almost maladjusted in a way, right?
	Okay.
	I think I get you.
	I understand what you're saying.
	I think for me, it's just I operate based on what feels right for me.
	So societally speaking, like, yes, it's very unconventional.
	It's a very unconventional path.
	I'm not trying to be a virgin forever.
	I'm not trying to like promote this lifestyle of everyone should be a virgin in their 30s.
	But basically what I'm saying is like it's okay to be on your own timeline and to kind of step outside of that, you know, the assumed way that it should be.
	I think like for me, if something doesn't feel right, I'm not going to do it.
	If someone doesn't feel right for me, I'm not going to date them and that I just haven't met someone yet that I connect with on that level.
	So therefore, I'm not going to do anything with them because that doesn't feel right.
	Is there a feeling of empowerment?
	I do feel empowered by that.
	Yeah, I do, for sure.
	Not in like a super, super modern feminist way, but yeah, I do feel empowered by that.
	I feel like it empowers me to make choices that are aligned with my intuition versus what is expected, for sure.
	I think everyone should be empowered by the choices that they make.
	But yeah, I do feel empowered.
	And it also delineates you from other women, right?
	So that would bring in additional attention, correct?
	Tension in what way?
	Well, I mean, in all ways, right?
	I mean, most women aren't having articles written about them because of their chastity.
	You know what I mean?
	Right.
	So in some ways, it sets you apart in a way that would also bring in more attention, doesn't it?
	Did you say tension or attention?
	Attention.
	Attention.
	Okay, sorry.
	I thought I said tension.
	Attention, yeah, for sure.
	I mean, I like attention.
	I quite enjoy it, and it's nice.
	It's nice that I can get attention for something that I just am doing as is, you know, that's nice.
	I like being a voice for people also who live similarly to me.
	Since creating content around this, I've gotten so many messages from people all over the world who are living similarly to me and aren't as vocal about it.
	And I love being able to be a voice for those people who feel ashamed about it because I don't think there is anything to be ashamed of when it comes to being a virgin, even if you're older.
	So would it be fair to say then, to just ask you directly and bluntly, would it be fair to characterize at least some of the motivation behind this as being empowerment and attention?
	Some of the motivation behind me being a virgin?
	Staying that way, yeah.
	No, I don't think so.
	I think the attention is a nice byproduct of that, but I'm definitely not doing this for, I'm not doing this solely for attention and I'm not going to hang on to this for.
	Well, no, no, I don't mean solely.
	I would not.
	So motivations that people have are usually very, very complex, at least inside their own heads.
	Even if on the surface they don't seem complex, they're usually complex.
	Yeah, that's true.
	I'm just asking for a part.
	Is part of this, the fact that there is attention and a feeling of empowerment that comes with the idea of staying a secular virgin just for the sake of doing so?
	I'll give you a part.
	Yeah, sure.
	A part of it is.
	Yeah.
	Gotcha.
	And the reason I ask is because people have characteristics that define them in the world that people can point to pretty easily, right?
	Yeah.
	Very, very good-looking people, for instance, are usually defined by how good-looking they are.
	Very ugly people are usually defined by how ugly they are very quickly.
	It's like a judgment assessment.
	I don't think anybody would disagree with that.
	People who are very wealthy are usually identified by their wealth, right?
	In fact, you'll even hear it said: you know, if somebody's very wealthy, a person might say, Man, yeah, I know that guy, and he's super rich.
	They just like kind of throw it in as an identifier.
	And so, in this case, I just want to make sure that has this become really a keynote part of your identity.
	I think that would be a fair assessment.
	Yeah, at this age, I feel like it has become a part of my identity.
	Sure, yeah.
	So, it's not the pursuance really of virtue, but the fact that pursuing this path has now become part and parcel of your identity and all of the things which come with that.
	Is that correct?
	That's fair, but I also feel like I'm not afraid to lose that identity in order to further this attention or the positive.
	Well, you can see from the external position, the person who's looking at this, you can say that.
	You can say, Well, I'm not afraid of losing this identity, but it's an unfalsifiable statement, right?
	It's like, how would anybody ever know if that is correct or incorrect?
	They really wouldn't, right?
	We would just basically have to take your word that even though this become part of your identity, that you're not trying to keep it as part of your identity specifically because of the kind of externalities which come with it, which would be things like attention and empowerment and the feeling of being in control and things like that, right?
	Yeah, I think that's fair.
	I guess I honestly would feel like a lot of this stuff that I'm talking about, people really do have to take my word for it.
	I mean, I know last time I was on the podcast, everyone thought not everyone, obviously, but a good majority did think that I was lying.
	So, yeah, unfortunately, I don't think you're lying.
	Okay, thank you.
	Yeah, I don't think you're lying.
	So, the thing is, the reason I try to understand the worldview is because when I push in a message, I'm usually looking at the idea of the consequence of virtue in society.
	And while I'll be perfectly honest with you, and I don't see any particular virtue in you staying chased because the motivations behind staying chased are not virtuous, I still think that it's interesting enough that I wanted to comment on it and discuss kind of the idea behind it, right?
	Yeah, no, I appreciate that.
	Thank you.
	Yeah, all right, that's all I had, right?
	All right, I have a couple follow-up questions here, and then we'll get into some of more of the pre-show notes.
	Uh, so Lauren, uh, you did say you've never dated anyone, very selective in what you're looking for, virgin, straight, asexual leaning, but no affiliation.
	Well, okay.
	Um, you said, uh, so if the right guy came into your life, how quick would you have sex?
	How quick would I have sex?
	Uh, be a couple months, probably.
	Couple months?
	Yes, okay, maybe like two, two months, two months seems like a good time.
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	And also, since I'm here, I can't be there having the champagne.
	And normally I'm the guy who polishes off the bottle.
	I'll make sure that I have a drink with everybody.
	He's going to have a drink.
	So, yes.
	Appreciate it.
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	Thank you, man.
	Appreciate it.
	So, Nick is getting, give me the small one, not the big champagne bottle.
	If somebody sends in the second one, we'll pop the gigantic champagne bottle.
	So we'll do that one.
	Really appreciate it, man.
	Thank you for the champagne pop.
	Big thousand dollars, man.
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	Let's get cups.
	Can we get a bunch of them?
	No, Those are for me.
	I want the why ones.
	I'm very selective about the champagne, the cups.
	The why cups you share with your champagne.
	They get the poverty cups from here on.
	No, I'm kidding.
	Here, Maddie, you get this going.
	Raise your hand if you want.
	Can I get a towel, please?
	Are you?
	All right.
	Well, I think she's the only one who's not 21.
	So I have a question back to you, Lauren.
	So, and going back, it's like really intriguing for me to hear all that.
	And like, so question on it: like, you're gonna wait two months if it does come down that, like, how would you know what it feels like if you've never felt like that before?
	And if so, what do you think it would feel like if you did come across it?
	I feel like it's just something that you know.
	Um, I know myself really well.
	I feel like I would just know if someone was for me in that way.
	Um, and yeah, I just feel like just feed with that.
	I mean, like I said, I mean, I'm a very like intuitive person, so I feel like across the board, like I just know if something's for me or not.
	I move pretty quickly.
	Do you ever get horny?
	That's what I was saying.
	I was wondering, do you have any?
	Do you have sexual thoughts?
	Yeah, for sure.
	Yeah, I'm not like completely devoid of that.
	Yeah, no, for sure.
	Okay, yeah.
	So, like, is it like when you say you do get horny?
	Yeah.
	Is it self-pleasure?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Do you like watch videos and stuff?
	No, not really.
	Not really.
	So it's just like all in the mind.
	Yeah, basically.
	Okay, cool.
	Do you read books?
	Do you read romantic novels?
	I can grab a little bit of a little novel or erotica, I guess.
	Yeah.
	So not being sexually active or not being in that area, what are some fantasies that you would say pop up into your head to make your like self?
	Oh, honestly, I'm like super vanilla with that.
	I feel like I don't really have anything too crazy.
	I feel like literally, it's basically just like picturing being with someone who you are into, who's into you, who cares about you, who wants to protect you.
	Like very vanilla, nothing like crazy at all.
	Very villainous.
	So what are your standards exactly?
	My standards?
	Well, I would say the first standard is first and foremost, again, the energetic connection that you would feel with someone.
	Without that, I feel like nothing else matters.
	It's knowing that someone is, it's just knowing that someone is for you.
	And then on top of that, I would say there's other non-negotiables for me as well.
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	What legend.
	So, okay, you're what are your because so what are your standards exactly?
	You said energetic could be.
	Well, it has to be the connection first and foremost, 100%.
	I feel like without that, nothing else matters because you could put like the most conventionally attractive person in front of me, millionaire.
	And if I don't feel it with someone, I'm not going to pursue that.
	However, other non-negotiables outside of that are going to be wealth and status are important to me.
	Sure.
	100%.
	I would say someone who is masculine and dominant, but also can balance and temper that and isn't an extreme, you know, complete macho thing happening.
	I would say someone who has depth to them, someone who is maybe more a little bit, has at least some like spirituality.
	I don't want anything, again, too extreme, but that has to have depth to them, intelligent, great sense of humor, definitely more conservative for sure, has to like guns.
	I like guns.
	And also someone who stands up for what they believe in.
	I won't specifically say the word, but didn't get the well, can I ask a follow-up here?
	I'm just curious about because of this motivation of essentially just not really having much attraction to men and things like this.
	Let's assume for a second that you kind of did meet Mr. Perfect, who fit all of the quality criteria that you have, right?
	The qualities and criteria.
	You know, the physical aspect of a relationship for men is extremely important.
	Do you think that he would think that there's a good possibility that even if you married him and this and that, that there would be trouble in that department because of this kind of like asexuality which you have?
	I don't think so because if I were to be in a relationship, I think you could assume that I wouldn't have a problem with someone.
	I wouldn't have a problem having sex with someone that I was dating because I would have already kind of cleared that.
	Like I would be, I wouldn't date someone that I wasn't not going to have a relationship with or a sexual relationship with.
	Yeah, well, I'm talking from their perspective.
	Do I think that they would question my possibility that if you've waited this long and it was not for the sake of like a virtue, virtue-based chastity, but rather through kind of like almost a social awkwardness, if you will.
	And I know I'm paraphrasing this incorrectly.
	I'm not trying to do that or be, I'm just trying to, there's no good way for me to put it into words without it seeming offensive, right?
	But I'm not trying to be offensive.
	But based along kind of the idea of the social awkwardness rather than the ideal of virtue, don't you think that it could be apparent to many men, even if they were wanting a virgin, that they may want to rule you out as there's a good possibility that due to this, due to these kind of standards that you have and the asexuality which you present, that you may not be good for their physical needs.
	Does that kind of follow?
	Yeah, I mean, it's definitely possible that that would be an issue for a man, for sure.
	I would say, like, in terms of the asexuality thing, it's not really a label that I personally lead with.
	I feel like it's just not something.
	I used to say that I was asexual.
	It's just not something that I personally resonate with as much anymore, despite having the infrequent attraction.
	I think that's really the only thing that kind of lingers for me with the asexual label.
	Um, yeah, I mean, I, I totally think it's fair that someone would be skeptical and, um, question, you know, if I'm not doing it for virtue purposes.
	Um, although I do think it's virtuous.
	Well, the reason I say that for virtue purposes is we assume that the pleasures of the flesh are things that men and women both want.
	And I think they are, right?
	I mean, I don't think most of the women here would disagree with that, or most of the men who are watching would disagree with that.
	And where the virtue comes in is that you're denying yourself that pleasure, right?
	But you definitely want it and you seek it, and it's definitely something that you would prefer to have if you could.
	And so it's denying yourself this that that is the kind of virtuous aspect of this and leads a person to value chastity as a virtue, right?
	That's kind of what the principle is.
	But it's just being avoided because of like due to social awkwardness and what you would kind of say is a limited form of asexuality.
	Wouldn't a man almost see that as a red flag, I guess?
	Sure, yeah, they totally could.
	I mean, I would debate you on the social awkwardness.
	I don't feel that I'm a socially awkward person.
	I understand you're just trying to find the right word for it, and it's not an easy thing.
	Well, in this department, in this department, it would be socially awkward, right?
	For instance, men who you would ordinarily be attracted to who approach you, that's going to be a socially awkward situation, right?
	Because you're like, well, I just don't have attraction for any men.
	I'm not kidding.
	It's not you, really.
	It's just I just really don't find many men attract.
	That's got to be socially awkward, right?
	No, I hear you.
	I feel like I don't, I don't mean, I don't straight up say that.
	I would just say, like, I'm not interested.
	I keep it pretty low-key.
	But I mean, yeah, of course it's uncomfortable to reject someone, but I don't feel that I'm awkward about it.
	I think I have a pretty good way of doing things that aren't that way.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Well, thanks for answering my questions.
	I appreciate it.
	Yeah, of course.
	Thank you.
	Did you finish all your standards?
	Did I?
	I don't know.
	Let's see what else do we have on the list.
	It was pretty lovely.
	Obviously, physically attractive to me, again, I kind of already mentioned that with the energetic connection to me, those things go hand in hand.
	I said sense of humor.
	I said loves adventures, travel.
	I'm a very, you know.
	Physically?
	Adventures?
	No, physically.
	What are your.
	Oh, physically.
	Physically speaking.
	I would say tan.
	I'm very white.
	Obviously, I like tan skin.
	Definitely on the taller side for sure.
	Kind of classic answer there.
	Just naturally good looking, kind of like the rugged good looks.
	I like someone in their 40s, preferably, a little older than me.
	I would say like 7 to 12, 13 years older than me.
	Oh, sorry.
	Wait a minute.
	Seven.
	I'm 34.
	I am 34.
	I would like to date someone who's like between 40, 45.
	Wait a second.
	Somebody's telling me that you have an OnlyFans account.
	Is that correct?
	No, that is not correct.
	That is not correct.
	That is not correct.
	I'm very anti-OF.
	I do not have an OnlyFans account.
	But nice try, everyone who ever said something.
	Nice driving.
	Yeah, yeah.
	I'm not making any out there.
	I'm just saying that this is being stated, so I wanted to clarify.
	Well, I mean, that's because, to be fair, a lot of girls who have OnlyFans will claim that they're a virgin to direct the audience to their OnlyFans.
	So you don't have an OnlyFans account.
	Okay, so thank you.
	You want to date a guy who's between 40 and 45?
	Preferably, yeah.
	Okay.
	So you wouldn't.
	Now, just to be clear, how stringent are these.
	Because you're 34, you wouldn't date a 37-year-old?
	Oh, yeah.
	I mean, that's fair.
	I just prefer, I like a little bit older.
	Okay.
	And you said that height, so how tall are you?
	I am 5'2 ⁇ .
	What you said you how tall would I 5'10 to like 6'3?
	It's like building bear.
	Yeah, just building boyfriends.
	You also said that, I don't know if you specifically said money.
	Did you say money and status is very important to you?
	I said wealth and status.
	Wealth, yes.
	Okay.
	Yes.
	When we're talking about wealth, what are we talking about here?
	Millions?
	Okay, so let's break it down like this.
	So you said you date, would you date somebody between the age of 35 and 45?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	35.
	So this is, I'm assuming here that this person is not retired yet.
	They're still working.
	Yeah, I guess.
	Okay.
	How much, what's their yearly income?
	Oh, man, I don't know.
	Millions.
	Yeah, millions, Brian.
	I don't know.
	I honestly don't know.
	I'm not like.
	Well, hold on.
	But I mean, you're very selective.
	You have very high standards.
	So I think you do know.
	I really do.
	I mean, when I said millions, I thought that was kind of good.
	Well, his net worth is millions, or he's making millions of dollars a year?
	Oh, that's a fair question.
	I mean, preferably making millions of dollars a year.
	Okay, well, I'd like to point out, Brian, did you notice that inside of these preferences, she never actually mentioned the man's body count?
	Yeah, I'm happy to clear that up.
	I actually don't want to, I wouldn't want to be with a virgin, personally.
	Just not my preference.
	I think one of us has to know what we're doing, and I would kind of prefer that, you know?
	Well, so going back to the money, though, what is the bare minimum that a guy would have to earn a year to date you?
	Oh, wow.
	I honestly, I haven't thought about that, to be honest.
	Well, I mean, you have thought about it.
	You said wealthy.
	Right, wealthy, but I haven't quantified it in terms of a number.
	I'll do it right now.
	Okay.
	I honestly, I don't know.
	Six figures, seven figures.
	Yeah, seven.
	You know what?
	Let's just say seven figures, because I honestly, I'm not going to say like 200 million.
	I don't know.
	I'm just going to say seven figures.
	Okay, so should we say bare minimum $1 million a year?
	Yes.
	Yes.
	Bare minimum.
	Okay.
	And then you said status is important too.
	So what does that mean?
	That to me means someone who is successful, maybe someone who is well-known in their fields.
	That's, yeah, someone who's well-known, probably, who has, you know, connections.
	And that to me is status.
	Maybe a little fame.
	I don't know.
	Nothing too crazy, but.
	Okay.
	I have a question for her.
	Yes, I thought it was an important point to bring back.
	I'm sorry, I didn't mean to cut you off.
	I'm almost on my inquiry.
	Thank you.
	No, I was just wondering, like, do you want children and a family?
	And also, do you feel that you have an expiration date or year to accomplish that, if that is one of your goals?
	That's a good question.
	So I actually am untraditional in the sense that I don't want to get married.
	I don't want to have kids.
	I would do a long-term relationship, committed long-term relationship, but I don't want to be legally married to anyone.
	And you don't want kids?
	And I don't want kids.
	Wow.
	Yeah.
	So it's often stated on this podcast and many others where men investigate the various dating phenomena between men and women that women seem to not care very much about the body count of men and men seem to care very much about body count.
	Women, they view it very differently.
	But aren't you making kind of the greatest case for that in the world?
	That here you are with a zero body count, and your statement is, I don't give a shit about the body count of a man.
	In fact, I would prefer that he had some bodies under his belt so he knew what he was doing.
	Yeah, that's totally fair.
	I do think a lot of the time when you're a virgin, people would assume that you would also want to be with another virgin.
	I think that's a fair assumption to make.
	But yeah, personally, I don't want to be.
	Well, that's not really my assumption.
	My assumption is that if you're a man who's a virgin, you'd prefer a virgin.
	And if you're a man who wasn't a virgin, you'd prefer a virgin.
	But that if you're a female who's a virgin, you don't really fucking care.
	It's not an important aspect to women whether or not men are virgins or not.
	That would be kind of my position on that.
	Yeah, 100%.
	I definitely agree with that.
	I think I've kind of learned that from watching, you know, even like podcasts like this.
	I feel like that does resonate with me.
	That does make sense.
	I feel like that is true for me as well.
	So, yeah, for sure.
	Okay.
	Andrew, I have a comment or a question about the body count thing.
	Personally, I don't care how I don't think it's, I think it's like crude to talk about that.
	I don't know why people these days like talk about that.
	I don't, I would never ask them.
	Because it's extremely important when it comes to dating.
	I think.
	So you're doing partner selection.
	When it's whether you've been with one person or a hundred people, I think that's very private.
	I would never ask somebody that if somebody talked about that, no matter what the number was, if they were like proud of it or whatever.
	I just, I don't think I would talk to them because they're talking about it.
	I don't think it's private.
	If you have a person had been prosecuted multiple times for domestic abuse, would you consider that to be something which was pertinent for you to know?
	Yes.
	How come?
	It doesn't mean that he's a domestic.
	Hang on, Anon.
	It doesn't mean that he's going to domestically abuse you.
	Why do you feel like it's pertinent for you to know that information?
	Because it's like informed consent.
	I need to know that that's a potential risk in my relationship.
	Right.
	So because it's throwing out red flags for risk, right?
	Why would body count be any different than that?
	Because are you talking about risk as far as STD?
	Because there could be a lot of people.
	But there's all sorts of other risks which come with it.
	For instance, if two virgins get married, the chances that they'll stay married are really, really, really good.
	Really good.
	And when it comes to women who are highly promiscuous, who have more than 20 partners, the chances that they're going to stay with their significant other, really, really, really bad.
	So the thing is, is that as we look at the details here, we're using risk assessment models, right?
	We're trying to assess risk for the same reason that you would want it disclosed to you.
	If a man had been charged and is guilty of domestic abuse, even though that does not prove that he would abuse you, why would that then be wrong for a man to want to know the body count of a woman to assess his own risk?
	I just don't think it's, I think it's like very lewd to talk about.
	I just think I don't like it.
	I don't think it's.
	Yeah, I think that talking about domestic abuse is pretty lewd too.
	But that would be something that you would want to know about, isn't it?
	It would be.
	Yeah, but it's just like that goes into things like, you know, like asking about maybe like, I don't know.
	It's just kind of like private.
	Like some things are private.
	Like I think your body's private and if you have an OnlyFans, that's pertinent, but I don't know.
	Kill him sooner than $200.
	So if the guy is only 5 feet 11 inches and is only 100,000 air and is an assistant to the CEO but not the CEO himself, he will butter your biscuit.
	What will he bring to the man's life?
	Oh man.
	Your quick response.
	My response would be, I can't say unless I'm able to infer connection there.
	I'm not sure.
	Not necessarily true.
	And what do I bring to a man's life?
	I would say like low body count, decent looking, take care of myself, unproblematic, not a party girl, great personality, easy to get along with, great friends.
	And yeah, just a good old-fashioned girl.
	No body count.
	Good girl.
	I'd like to get back to this combo.
	It was very interesting.
	I appreciated you bringing that up.
	So as we kind of dive into this, I understand what you're saying, that having conversations which are uncomfortable are, well, uncomfortable.
	And I can understand why a woman would want to conceal this information because it's very uncomfortable to talk about this information.
	But I don't know how you could make a case that it wouldn't be pertinent for a man to be informed about the body count of the woman that he wants to date long term.
	Why would that not be pertinent information for him to know?
	Well, I guess it would really depend on what the man's values are and what he considers pertinent information.
	His values are he just wants to hump chicks who have a low body count.
	That's his only value, let's say.
	Okay, well, a man like that?
	Why would that preference in any way be bad in any way?
	It's not.
	It's not bad.
	It's just like, I feel like these young, like it's just something that younger people talk about.
	Like they just talk about it.
	Like they're like, oh, this is my body count.
	It's just new.
	Like people didn't do that when I was growing up.
	So it's just like, yes, they did.
	Here's the thing.
	You're growing up around the same time that I was growing up.
	And the thing is, is that we talked about sex all the time.
	We talked about which chicks were hoes.
	We talked about which chicks weren't hoes.
	You talked about which men were playboys.
	You talked about which men weren't playboys.
	This cope of, well, when I was younger, like you're ancient, like you lived 75 years ago, like you lived 100 years ago, like you lived during the Civil War era 200 years ago.
	It's all pure Coke, right?
	You were growing up, what?
	At the latest in the 90s, you think we weren't talking about sex in the middle?
	I didn't say not talking about doing sex.
	I just said that.
	That is the most ridiculous thing that I've ever talked about in the 90s was sex.
	Yes, but I said, like, I don't remember the specific thing about like talking about like a body count, like that being a phrase.
	Of course you did.
	Of course you did.
	And I was in a relationship from 18 to 10.
	What does hoe?
	She's a hoe.
	What does that mean?
	Yeah.
	Does that mean she has a really low body count?
	Yeah, but you're not saying you're not, it's just a different verbiage, I guess.
	Yeah, but it's, but it's saying the same exact thing.
	You're saying that chick has slept with way more dudes than I'm comfortable with.
	You're saying the same exact thing, right?
	Yeah, but you kind of just like know that about like people in the neighborhood or whatever.
	You don't like write it down on application, like your number, like your last name, like your social security number.
	That's what I'm talking about.
	It's just kind of weird.
	Wait, so wait, so just so so your objection is that people are more precise with it?
	So they're like, they're like, instead of you just slandering me with a generalization, you want to actually know the details of it so that I can give a possible defense of myself.
	That seems to me to be absurd, right?
	That seems counterintuitive.
	That like the precision of it is the objection, not the fact that you did indeed used to talk about it all the time.
	And let's be real.
	You and your girlfriends in the 90s, you talked about the promiscuous girls in the block and you talked about the playboys who were around.
	Let's not keep our stuff.
	For sure.
	For sure.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	But yeah, it just like, it just wasn't like, oh, did you hear John has slept with exactly 17 and a half people or something like that?
	Like, it was just weird.
	Yeah, no, it's just implied.
	So, I mean, it's just like, it's just, for some reason for you, going around the edges of the thing is more important than the thing itself.
	It's like, okay, so John has slept with a lot of chicks.
	We understand that.
	Yeah.
	Right.
	Your only objection is the precision with how many chicks he slept with.
	That seems totally counterintuitive to me.
	It seems like that would be the information you would want to know more than the generalization.
	Well, to me, it's kind of like saying, okay, John has slept with 17 and a half people.
	And that's like saying, okay, John has a big deal.
	How do you sleep with a half a person?
	I don't know if they're budgeting.
	I'm just saying it's weird for a number, but I'm just saying.
	Are we at a magic show?
	Okay.
	Saying, like, that's the difference between saying John slept with a lot of people or we know he's a hoe and the exact number versus like John has a big dick and then like going into detail, like describing specific things about it.
	I guess that's my court like, you know, you could just do one thing.
	You don't need to like go into that.
	Well, people, well, people have very specific minutia about it.
	Well, they have very specific preferences about the things that they want.
	And in modernity, because there's such a small pool which fits the preferences of so many people, I think they just don't want to waste time.
	And so they're like, can we just get to the nitty-gritty?
	And instead of us using kind of the generalizations and innuendo and the slander and this and that, they're just upfront, right?
	They're just like, look, lady, how many dudes have you fucked, right?
	And what they want to know from that, the information that they want to know from that is, are you going to be a good partner for me or are you not going to be a good partner for me?
	It just seems like a great way to just not beat around the bush and not bullshit, right?
	Would you not agree that there are many other factors that play into what defines a good partner or not?
	Absolutely.
	I would say that the scope of what we're talking about here is so broad and we're taking into account billions of people's individual preferences and this type of thing.
	But I'm going to caveat this with there are general truths that seem to trend across the board for men and women when it comes to preferences.
	I'll give you a really basic one.
	Women tend to like men who are taller than them.
	In fact, let's just get a show of hands right here.
	How many women right here at this table prefer that their men are taller than them?
	All of them, right?
	Every single one of them, including you, right?
	Yeah.
	So now we have a universe, kind of these universals which go in too.
	Now, if you were to insert men into every seat that you're in right now, and I said, how many of you would prefer that your women had slept with less than three men?
	How many of them do you think would raise their hand?
	Okay, yeah, I totally, I totally raised it.
	Hang on, answer the question first.
	And then give me the qualifiers.
	All of them are.
	All of them.
	So we have some universals here, right?
	We have some universals.
	I get that, yeah.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, that's all I'm saying.
	So it's like, so I want to address the point specifically, but yeah, go ahead.
	No, I think that's it.
	I don't have anything else to say about it.
	Oh, okay.
	You said it was crude, though, to, like, so if a guy were to ask you that on the first date, would that be?
	Yeah, that's, like, I wouldn't ask him to see his bank statement or, like, you know, I think there's so many.
	You'd ask him his job.
	Yeah, I go to Psygwood.
	That's normal conversation.
	But for me, what's more important is like political values, family values.
	Like that for me, like I was in a two-year relationship.
	We broke up because we ended up like, it was during, you know, a certain period of time recently.
	So what would actually be wrong if this was a deal breaker for a guy and this would conceivably save him and you time?
	What would actually be if that's a deal breaker for him, then he should for sure proceed with the question.
	And then now the question is, though, would it be a deal breaker for you that he even asked it?
	Well, that's what I was kind of trying to say is like even not asking, but people are just, I've seen people like posts like just like about their body counter talk about it in a not dating situation, like just in a public situation.
	And I just think that's kind of like, yeah, I don't think I would be inclined to want to talk to somebody who thought that was like a neat topic to like talk about.
	It's kind of private.
	You know, I think again, I understand the social taboo nature of the thing that you're kind of appealing to here, but I think, you know what I think?
	I think that men, the more men I talk to, I get this kind of belief more reinforced.
	I think that if a woman, let's say she had a really high body count, if she sat down on her first date with a man and she said, look, I fucked a lot of things up in my life, including the fact that I slept with way more dudes than I should have, right?
	And I'm not going to do this anymore.
	And I'm going to be a good wife for the man who I end up marrying.
	And I fucked this all up.
	Okay.
	I think that men would have 20 times more respect for those women.
	I agree.
	They're the ones who go, none of your business.
	It's not your concern.
	And they beat around the edges and this and that.
	I think if they were just direct and said, look, I fucked it all up, but I'm ready to unfuck it all.
	I think most men would be like, all right.
	Oh, no, I totally agree.
	I mean, I can't disagree with that statement.
	I think that's totally true.
	I think people can change a lot.
	I've certainly changed a lot from like 18 to now.
	Thank you, Josh.
	Go ahead.
	Okay.
	Continue.
	You know, I got with my.
	Do you know why?
	Do you know why men would respond better to that?
	Do you know why that is?
	Yeah, because it's honesty.
	And it's not because it's honesty.
	Accountability.
	It's because it's a sign of accountability.
	Oh, there you go.
	It's a sign of accountability.
	It's a sign of you saying, I can recognize when I make horrible mistakes and I can correct them so that those mistakes never happen again.
	And it's so rare for men, at least the ones that I've talked to, to actually run into women who take accountability for anything.
	And that, I think, is why you would earn this really key note of respect.
	He would actually earn respect with the honesty rather than I have to find out later and all this bullshit.
	You know what I mean?
	Yeah.
	And I don't think it's something that you shouldn't talk about in a relationship.
	I just, just the bluntness of it, I guess, right away is this kind of.
	I think I know what you're saying.
	Like, you know what I mean?
	When you go on a date, like, I like can go on like countless dates, but like never it occurred to me like a guy would be like, oh, yeah, by the way, what's your body count?
	Like, there's a conversation where there's going to be like, what is your dating history or background look like?
	Right.
	It's not going to be bluntly like, yeah, how many people have you fucked?
	Yeah.
	I don't like accounts.
	So you never sat down on a date and asked, well, how much money do you make?
	I've never asked that.
	I feel like that goes in like, well, certainly.
	No, no, no, you want to beat around the bush, but what you're asking is how much money do you make?
	When you ask, what is your career?
	What is your career trajectory?
	What are the things that you, what are your goals?
	What are your aspirations?
	You're asking the question of, what is the monetary value that you are bringing to the table?
	Because that's within the line of your preference.
	And I think that that's fine.
	But then to say, well, to men, they can't also move towards their preference and be like, well, how many dudes have you fucked?
	Right?
	Like, how many?
	Just be honest with it.
	Why is that such a taboo for women other than they want to avoid accountability?
	I don't think it, I don't, for me personally, I also don't really, money isn't a top value for me in my compatibility with the man, so I wouldn't ask those kind of legal.
	You're going to date a homeless guy?
	I wouldn't date.
	You're going to date a homeless guy in a box who lives out of his car?
	Because of hygiene issues?
	Probably not.
	No, he does great hygiene.
	I'm not going to be like, wealth and status are not on my top five priority list.
	That's fair.
	Really?
	So just so I get this clear, a homeless guy has really good hygiene, you'd be willing to take care of him forever?
	No, I didn't say that.
	I said wealth.
	I didn't say that.
	So wealth, wealth, like the ability, yeah, the ability to take care of yourself, the ability to make money is on your priority list.
	It's kind of foolish, in fact, to say that it's not, right?
	Of course it is.
	No, I mean, like, you know, a million dollars.
	I don't have a number.
	Like, it doesn't matter.
	It doesn't matter.
	So you'll date a guy who works at McDonald's?
	I think McDonald's is poison, so I probably wouldn't for health reasons.
	Not because of the money, right?
	But yeah, I would date like a ranch hand or somebody that was in the middle of seven schools.
	Yes, 100%.
	Yeah, so $6.77 an hour worker.
	Do you want to get remarried?
	I would like to get married, yeah.
	But I'm really low maintenance.
	You want to get married?
	I would like to get married.
	Wait, you're low maintenance?
	Like, my monthly income with three kids is like, or my monthly expenses are like $2,500.
	Okay.
	It's really not.
	Three kids?
	Yeah.
	Like, we're really, my daughter's work.
	Like, I don't know.
	It's just not that important to me.
	Do you get child support?
	I don't get child support.
	I never took him to court until recently for some other reason related to my son not liking his girlfriend, but he doesn't pay child support.
	And that was just last year.
	And it's been eight years since we've been split up.
	It's really unfortunate that he doesn't.
	You know, he's just not a great guy.
	And it's sad.
	Okay.
	Yeah, I understand that.
	I just, you know, to kind of, I don't mean to belabor the point, but I've just never been after someone for money.
	If you have tons of social responsibilities, in this case, three children that you have to look after, your maternal instinct is there to look after these children, I assume, that you love and adore them and they are the priority of your life, right?
	Yeah.
	So if this is the case, then of course, why would you want to get together with a bum or with somebody who would bring one who's to get with a bum, but I don't need to be with the CEO, you know?
	Well, but you're kind of playing to the two extremes, right?
	So there's a distinction here, though, that we don't need to look at the two extremes of your bum in the street or a CEO to note that you would still probably prefer a guy who made six figures a year.
	Of course you would.
	Why wouldn't you?
	Well, my grandma used to always sound like my grandma, she used to always say you could fall in love with the rich man just as easily as you could fall in love with the poor man.
	But I don't necessarily find that true.
	Sometimes I feel like guys with money don't have, they have different priorities than me.
	They care about status.
	They care about cars.
	They care about buying me like expensive bags.
	I don't want that stuff.
	I really want to care about it.
	What do you want?
	You want them to care about you, right?
	They want them to care about me.
	I would rather have like life experiences.
	I don't have anything fancy.
	I don't want anything fancy.
	I think it's always good.
	But this money is.
	But you realize this creates a double entendre for men.
	The double entendre it creates is: I want a man to be focused on me, care about me, show that he loves and appreciates me.
	But all men do that.
	How do they do that?
	They usually do it by saying, okay, well, I'm going to go accumulate an amount of money and wealth, and then I'm going to utilize those resources to take care of you.
	That's how they show that.
	How they don't show it is by going, oh, baby, you're the best.
	You're so gorgeous.
	You're the best in the world.
	And I can't wait to spend time watching this gay soap opera with you, right?
	They don't do it that way.
	What they do instead is they focus on the accumulation of resources and then them sharing those resources with you is how they show that they care a lot about you.
	Right.
	But there's like douchey rich guys and there's guys that have money that don't act in a douchebag way.
	So I think that totally agree.
	You know what I mean?
	So I just, I wouldn't want someone who's like flashy, I guess.
	Like I wouldn't.
	You can lie too.
	There's a lot of facades.
	People will be like, oh, I'm not homeless.
	I make a lot of money.
	And then they pull up in a hookup.
	And you're like, there are some things I care about, but I just, I don't think I would ever put a number, an actual number on how much I need my person to make when they're other people.
	I don't think that I don't think it's necessary for you to put an exact number to note that if they had all of the qualities and additional money on top of all the qualities.
	Yeah, it would be nice.
	It wouldn't hurt.
	It wouldn't hurt.
	I'm not looking for it.
	I'm not seeking it out.
	I feel like you guys are kind of arguing the same point here.
	I think the whole point in the body count conversation is to say, if this man is asking what your body count is, it's not to be like vulgar.
	It's to see like, okay, if this woman has a high body count, she has some inconsistencies within her dating pattern.
	So maybe her and I are going to have a short-lived relationship based on like these frequent people she's sleeping with.
	But I think it's the same way you would ask like how many partners have you had in the past?
	You would ask like, oh, what do you do for work?
	Because these are like different value sets that people have, right?
	But a man would also ask the woman, what do you do for work?
	So I think that's just general conversation.
	Right, yeah, yeah.
	So that would also be within like a moment.
	Yeah, but wait, wait, hang on.
	Yeah, I agree that that could be general, you know, general conversation.
	But that doesn't mean that they're asking each other the same question.
	Even if it's identically phrased, that doesn't mean they're actually asking each other the same question.
	They could mean very different things by what they're asking by that question.
	Yeah.
	Right?
	Yeah, and I guess it's also what your intention is when you're dating somebody.
	Are you dating to just hook up with somebody?
	Are you dating to have a short-lived romance?
	Are you dating to get married?
	I mean, these are all very different things.
	So some people, you know, might be entitled to a little bit more information than other people regarding maybe even your job and your income, too.
	You know, maybe you're just planning on taking this girl out on the boat for a weekend and then not ever talking to her again.
	So she doesn't really need to know that much about your life.
	But maybe you want something more serious with her.
	So you would, you know, strive to have more deeper conversations.
	Well, actually, there's a great segue.
	So I assume that you would think that it was important if a man, his intention was to just sleep with you and then never talk to you again, that he let you know that that was the case.
	That would be great.
	I don't think guys.
	Yeah, I mean, that would be fantastic, right?
	Because otherwise, he would be wasting your time, right?
	And I think girls should probably do the same thing.
	Like, hey, I'm just here for a good time, or hey, I'm looking for something more serious.
	Is there something you want to ask about?
	Did you fit my preferences?
	If you don't fit my preferences of body count, or if you don't fit my preferences of body count, you're wasting my time by not disclosing that information out.
	You guys both have to have the same thing, right?
	You have to both have the same preferences, the same intentions, and the same values.
	If not, it's not a good match.
	So you should both move on, anyways.
	Yeah, right.
	But to my point, right, if you think that it's pertinent for a man to say, listen, look, baby, my plan here is just to take you out of my yacht and we're going to bang and then I'm never going to call you again, right?
	You would prefer that he was up front with that.
	That makes total sense to me why you would prefer that because you don't want your time wasted by some fuckboy, right?
	Okay, that's fair enough.
	I think a lot of times, okay, go ahead.
	But the flip side to this is, but the same thing is going to apply to a man who's like, look, I really want to know how many dudes you've slept with before I pursue this relationship because otherwise it's a waste of time.
	Doesn't that make sense to you?
	Yeah, it makes sense if the intention for the relationship that they're pursuing with you is more of more value, like a marriage or engagement or long-term dating.
	Yeah, I guess that makes sense.
	Okay.
	But you both have to match on that.
	Can you read these?
	I feel like a guy asking for a body count on first date is a green flag to me because that shows he's looking for more than a hookup.
	If he just wanted to F you, he wouldn't bother asking.
	Yeah, if he didn't, yeah, I suppose if he didn't care, then.
	That's fair.
	If he wasn't interested in long-term.
	I feel like though, not sure that that follows.
	It could just be that he doesn't want to sleep with a chick who slept with a lot of dudes, even if he has no intention of pursuing a relationship.
	Like, that could also fall.
	Yeah, it could be true.
	But I think a guy who just wants to sleep with a girl once is probably less preoccupied with her body count.
	Yeah, I think that that would be generally true.
	I would agree with that.
	Go ahead, Maddie.
	To the girl from Las Vegas, one of the two mayoral candidates, Victoria Seaman, is suing the city of Vegas for the second time.
	Ladies, raise your hand if she should be elected.
	Hashtag peakfeminism.
	What?
	You're from Vegas.
	Do you know anything?
	I don't know anything about Vegas.
	I have not heard.
	I don't know if this is like new news.
	Okay.
	Well, no, none of the women raise their hands, so it sounds like it's a no.
	Stream Rift, thank you for the 100, though.
	Thank you for bringing Las Vegas local politics into the middle.
	Go ahead, Steph.
	Andrew, I hope my future husband is as based as you.
	Thank you for being a great example of healthy masculinity and also for all you do to help with women wake up to degeneracy.
	Respecting Australia.
	Yeah, this is a bot.
	You can tell by the end of what was being stated here that's a bot.
	Kudos to you though, Andrew.
	You definitely made a great statement when you were like, it'd be weird if somebody asked me about my body count and then not make me feel like patronized about like, oh, why is this your body count?
	It'd be more like, okay, you're taking accountability.
	So I see you and I see what your intentions are.
	That is major than being like, what is your body count and the body count and the purpose of like, are you a whore or not?
	Or like, are you like.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Well, exactly.
	So like, have you, have you noticed, for instance?
	Okay, and this is, I think that this is the kind of be nice culture that women are subjected to from the time that they're little kids inside a public school.
	But I'll often ask this question, and you seem like you'll probably give me an honest answer to it.
	Isn't it true that women, when they sit down at a table with other women, all the time this happens, they basically judge the shit out of each other.
	They nitpick what each other are wearing.
	They nitpick their hair.
	They nitpick their makeup.
	They don't say it out loud, right?
	But just in their head, they just like nitpick every little detail.
	And what I'll often see, you know, go ahead.
	Go ahead and answer it.
	Sorry, I was going to ask you because it was a question.
	But yes and no, I feel like it comes with a woman that you hang out with.
	So like in my friend group, a lot of us are very much more like, you don't compare our friends.
	And that's something we literally had a discussion about on the way here because it's like, hey, I find it insulting that you're going to be like, well, I think you're the hottest friend in the group.
	Like, ew, first, because you're not going to compete with your friends.
	If you feel like something doesn't look good, then it has to be.
	Okay, hang on, hang on.
	Let's untangle two ideas.
	Okay.
	Out loud.
	Saying that thing, those things out loud.
	Sure.
	Absolutely.
	I'm asking about what goes on in your brain, right?
	If it doesn't look good, you better tell me.
	In your brain, are you really saying that you sit down with your friend group and never make judgment?
	Like, come on, really?
	Everybody judges.
	Everyone judges.
	Yeah, of course, of course.
	But my ultimate point for bringing this up is to tell you that I know that that's true, and you know that that's true.
	But so often women will kind of lie and be like, no, I never judge anybody.
	I'm the most non-judgmental person ever.
	I've never judged any other woman ever.
	I am the key point of all that is feminism.
	You were all never, right?
	I would never do so.
	And it's like, come on.
	Are you fucking serious?
	So the thing is, part of what this idea of accountability is, is just to say, like, look, we know that it's true.
	Just fess the fuck up, right?
	Be accountable to the things that are actually happening.
	Is that fair?
	Yeah.
	It shouldn't be that big of a barrier for it to be like that serious.
	If it's that serious, then it means it obviously bugs you, or like, and you find it get like you find it more like attacking, if not like controversy.
	Like, if it's such a controversy thing, then that means it bothers you so much to do it.
	And if it doesn't bother you, then just like, okay, this is what it is.
	And if it's not meant to be, then it's just like, oh, yeah, fuck it.
	There's more fish in the sea, but this is what it is.
	And I'm, I did fuck and do all this stuff for accountability reasons, but like, this is what I want in the future.
	That goes like a big long way.
	And I think a lot of women don't really see it that way.
	Like, they just put it on the bottom.
	I think you're right.
	I think you're right.
	And the thing is, it's like you might, you might outright get rejected by such honesty.
	But the truth is, is at least you have integrity.
	And that you at least walk away with some fucking respect, right?
	100%.
	Andrew, so what about, how about if, like, for me, a bigger, more important issue is like abortions.
	Like, I think, how come guys aren't asking how many have you had an abortion?
	Have you had any abortions?
	Like, that to me would be like a really big sign to your point of like, do I want to marry this woman?
	That's something that, like, well, no, I'm just relating it to body counts.
	Wait, but how does that correlate?
	Yeah, I mean, it correlates for the purpose of that.
	You know what I'm saying, right?
	Okay.
	Yeah, I do.
	I do.
	I think it's a good point, right?
	Yeah.
	And it's set to the value structure.
	Right.
	So, yeah.
	I think that if you were with a person or dating a person who was Christian, follow Christianity.
	Yeah, they likely would want your stance on abortion.
	I don't think they'd come right out and ask you.
	Right.
	Because sitting down at the first date and saying that you murder babies might be a little over the top, right?
	Yeah.
	But I think that they would at least ask your stance on this.
	I think that's what I was getting confused at.
	Yeah.
	Asking like not so much.
	No, I wouldn't ever ask.
	That's a random question.
	Because I think the typical person, I guess, like the typical woman's not getting abortion.
	So I think that's a random question to ask.
	That's a very specific one.
	Yeah.
	I was relating it to the body count question.
	Yeah, I think that's important.
	Yeah.
	What do you mean the typical woman's not getting abortion?
	Yeah, I think a lot of women do.
	And it's really.
	I mean, what does that entail?
	Yeah, I think the typical woman is getting abortions.
	I think you're completely wrong.
	No, I don't think that's a good idea.
	I think that that's very typical.
	I mean, I guess.
	I think, yeah, I agree.
	Is plan B considered like abortion?
	Would you consider that abortion?
	Well, there's some different conversations going around on if plan B is considered an abortion.
	I would say that as far as what research has been done, it's a preventative and it's not considered like a termination of pregnancy when we're talking about abortion.
	What do you mean it's not considered a termination of pregnancy?
	Well, what the hell is it?
	Is there a life in the womb or is there not a life?
	I guess with so I fundamentally don't agree with plan B. Like I don't agree with it.
	Yeah, that doesn't answer your question.
	I would say that plan B, it, what, it delays ovulation, right?
	If I'm wrong, it would delay ovulation from occurring.
	Therefore, fertilization would not have a chance to occur, right?
	Like in the case of taking plan B. Is that plan B or is that the ability?
	There's no life in the past.
	Plan B is the morning after kill.
	Oh, okay.
	Yeah, we're not talking about like mythopilia.
	There is an abortion.
	Okay, but there is an abortion pill.
	Do you think mythopist?
	Yeah, mythoprost is the one that terminates pregnancy after fertilization occurs.
	There are some IUDs that also make the uterus an inhabitable, inhabitable environment, which I disagree with, which takes a fertilized blastocyst and terminates the pregnancy.
	So we could argue like that, but yeah.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Well, no, no, no.
	So my position would just be for abortion.
	I think most, I think, I think most people from the Christian purview, though mine would be even more extreme than this, I would at least concede to at least the rationale of there is no life there.
	Now, you could make this kind of as extreme.
	No, for plan B, I thought you just said there wasn't.
	Oh, not for plan B. Sorry.
	I thought you were.
	Oh, yeah, yeah.
	So for plan B, I think that you could make this as kind of extraneous as you want.
	You could say, well, we could get into semen itself being the seed of life and the different religious beliefs around that.
	But I think we at least stick with the idea that if there's no life present, most men would probably say, okay, you're not having an abortion here.
	Yeah, there's like preventative, and then when you're talking abortion, you're talking the actual elective, like murdering of a baby in utero.
	So that's yeah.
	So, but but but that aside, when she's making the statement, she's actually asking about abortion itself.
	Yeah, so she's saying, okay, are you going in and having an abortion done?
	You said that's not typical.
	I disagree.
	I think that's very typical.
	Yeah, it's very typical.
	I would say, yeah, I mean, since, I guess in the last decade, yeah, I mean, there have been, what, 70 million abortions that have occurred.
	Pretty typical.
	Yeah, and I think per year it's like 2 million.
	I guess I misspoke on that.
	I think it's, I think, where I caught thrown off was if, I guess, if I were on a first date and a man asked me if I had an abortion, I guess I'd be thrown off.
	And of course, I would say no, and that I'm pro-life.
	But it's just, yeah, I guess I just haven't heard that one before.
	It was just a comparison.
	I don't think people are saying that on dates.
	Maybe in the super Christian community, but it was just a comparison for the whole thing.
	I don't think that they would.
	I think that they would try to gauge what your stance was on it in general.
	That's great.
	They'd say, what is your stance here on this?
	Yeah, that's true.
	And then they can use an inference there.
	I don't even think most men would just come right out and ask you your body count either.
	They would use inferences first, right?
	But I don't actually see there being a problem with either question.
	Yeah.
	Hey, asking.
	Have you ever had an abortion seems reasonable to me?
	That seems like a reasonable question.
	You may not like that.
	Just like you were saying that the woman who is accountable.
	Dylan Joe donated $200.
	Is it fair for your chick to have trust issues with you even if you're innocent and show no signs of being unfaithful?
	Andrew.
	All right.
	That one came in earlier.
	I'm moving the conversation on.
	So TTS came in earlier.
	Is it fair for your chick to have trust issues with you even if you're innocent and show no signs of being is this a question for the women at the table or the men on the mic?
	It sounds like a question for you.
	These questions sometimes.
	You can go both ways, I guess.
	Thank you, Dylan.
	Is it fair for your chick to have trust issues?
	No, it's not fair.
	I don't think so.
	I don't think it's fair.
	I don't think it's fair either.
	That's her own issues.
	Yeah, yeah.
	She's bringing into the projecting onto the man.
	It's kind of like when a chick dreams that you cheated on her and wakes up and punches in.
	You can't do that shit against you that in her dream you cheated on her.
	I mean, trustworthy just come with if you have trust issues and you're like openly dating, I feel like you need to like secure your own confidence.
	And like you can project a lot of your insecurities onto like relationships.
	Yeah.
	I agree.
	And then this one came in.
	Techno Trooper donated $200.
	How many bodies is too many bodies for a female?
	What is past the threshold where it is unacceptable?
	It's a good question.
	I think I depends on the age.
	I mean, once you start getting into, I'm not saying it's 100% deal breaker, but certainly once you-Brian, he said for a female.
	Right.
	Yeah.
	Wait, like as in a woman's perspective, how many bodies?
	Oh, I don't think so.
	I think it can be read the other way.
	How many, too many bodies for a female to have?
	Let's hear your perspective.
	I want to hear yours.
	Well, I mean, it's not a deal-breaker immediately, but I think once you get above 10, then that's an eyebrow raise.
	What if you have 10 in the time span of you having from the age that you did have sex?
	Let me just make up a number, 19 to let's say like I'm 26, 10, right?
	But let's say I'm 33-year-old virgin, and then I end up discovering sex, and I like have like 10 or 12 just because I finally let it go.
	But it also comes with accountability, like Andrew was saying.
	So, like, is it that really such a deal-breaker part, or is that too much just because of like the time span of it, or is it just because of the experience of you being with 10 men?
	So, you said the question is essentially a woman who's had sex with one guy a year for X amount of years versus a woman who's had sex with 10 partners in the span of one year.
	Is it the time span, or is it the number, or is it the number?
	Both.
	I think we would look at it.
	Well, I think most men would look at it the same way.
	Though I think it would throw a greater red flag if they did them kind of like back-to-back-to-back, that would show that would show even less kind of restraint, but I think that they would look at the overall count.
	So, the way I look at it is this: this is an arbitrary metric.
	I'm not going to deny that it's an arbitrary metric.
	It's based on preference, right?
	There's nothing that I can point to where I can say this is the diet-in-the-wool metric, which every man follows or should follow.
	But I can say this as a almost definite across the board: the less, the better.
	And since it is always the case that it is the less, the better, at least in almost all men that I have talked to, then every single time that you have sex with a new man, this is going to lower your value in the eyes of most men.
	So, I would, that's how I would frame it.
	I couldn't give you an exact number, but I don't think I need to if you know that every single one above one makes you worth less, at least in the eyes of men, than if you had zero.
	Does that make sense?
	Yeah, it makes sense.
	Um, but do you also, would you also agree that there are other things that you could bring to the table that could raise your values?
	So, it's kind of like this chart graph of like different things that come together to make a whole lot of things.
	Here's the thing: I would say, I would say on the issuance of body count loyalty is what that's pointing to.
	So, let me explain this the best way that I can.
	Paternity testing is a modern invention.
	It is something which is very recent.
	Before the idea of paternity testing came around, how would a man be able to judge if his offspring was his or if he had been cuckolded and his wife had slept with somebody else, had their offspring, and now this man is raising offspring unwittingly, which is not his own?
	The only way to really determine that metric would be to have a woman who was a virgin.
	And the reason that you would want that is because then you know that this woman is devoted only to you.
	Whereas if she'd had multiple sexual partners before that, it's much more difficult to make the determination she would be with you.
	And now, with paternity testing, we know how many women lie about paternity.
	It's actually a great many more than we ever thought.
	So, I think that this is something which is hardwired into men for a good reason.
	Yeah, but just also because the woman's a virgin in a relationship doesn't mean she's not going to cheat on you and go run around.
	I think that the likelihood, though, that a woman who is a virgin in a relationship with you does run around is going to be far less than the likelihood of a woman who's promiscuous doing so.
	Wouldn't you agree?
	Well, what if you've just like awakened this virgin?
	What if Lauren here is some like hidden like freak and she like gets awakened and now she's just like running around town?
	Wait, really?
	Hold on.
	So, so really quick.
	So, really quick on the whole cheating thing, really quick on the whole cheating thing.
	I actually, me personally, while it can be an indicator for potential infidelity, at least for me, that's not really the primary reason.
	Frankly, I just think it's gross.
	Yeah.
	I can't even articulate precisely why I couldn't even, why I actually could.
	But that's why you think it's gross.
	It's just disgusting.
	I can respect that disgust more.
	I agree with that opinion more because I can understand that.
	But that's why it's disgusting.
	Don't you understand?
	Like, the reason that men find it disgusting is because of that hardwired, innate understanding of if you're sleeping with multiple men, I cannot determine offspring.
	That's why it's disgusting to men.
	That's why they find it gross.
	It's like, it's not enough to just say it's gross, right?
	The justification for it is very simple.
	And so we dive into this.
	Like, I'd like to engage directly with your argument, right?
	And your argument is, what if you awaken the beast?
	Now you've slept with this virgin woman.
	And wouldn't you be, you know, if you waken that beast, isn't she?
	Well, I suppose it's possible.
	Yeah, the milkman's coming by.
	Yeah, but here's what the data shows us.
	Here's what we know from the data.
	Because women who marry as virgins have only the sample size of their husband, right?
	That's the sample that they have.
	They think that's the best sex in the world.
	What the fuck would they have to compare it to?
	Yeah, I actually have friends that multiple times.
	They have nothing to compare it to.
	So that's why the longevity and the faithfulness in those relationships tends to be much higher than it is in the general public.
	Yeah, likelihood of that.
	I have some very happily married couple friends that have been together since high school that have never been with anybody else.
	So I totally see that.
	I've also had, seen on the other side of the spectrum, you know, really unhappy people that wanted to resented that.
	They wish they had more experience.
	And I've also seen people with a lot of experience.
	I can't argue with your anecdote.
	I can't argue with anecdotal experience.
	So I'm going to defer to what we see from polls and data from people who are studied who enter into virgin relationships, their divorce rate, their marriage rate, their happiness rates, and their infidelity rates.
	I'll defer to when we have a much larger sample size than what I personally have seen, but rather them being followed so that we understand what the outcomes of those types of relationships are.
	And here's what we see, just so you know, what we see specifically is that men and women who get married as virgins, their relationships last far longer.
	Their divorce rates are far less, far, far, far less.
	And if a man marries a virgin who's not a virgin, same thing.
	Almost the same identical outcome.
	However, if the woman is promiscuous and the man is promiscuous, the outcome is usually bad when it comes to divorce.
	Same thing if only one partner is promiscuous.
	So what we can ascertain from this is that if you're both virgins and you get married, it's no guarantee that you won't awaken the beast in the woman.
	But it's a great mitigating factor, isn't it?
	It's a great way to mitigate.
	Yeah.
	And also, though, you know, somebody with a lot of experience could just as easily know what they want now and know what they don't want.
	And sometimes I also want to bring up sometimes, you know, women have been in unfortunate situations and circumstances as a young child and there's trauma and sometimes you find yourself in unfortunate situations, but you can change.
	You can totally change.
	The greatest copes ever by women.
	This is one of the greatest copes that I hear from women is the idea that I had childhood trauma.
	Well, here's the thing.
	I'm just going to be blunt with you.
	Everybody has fucking childhood trauma.
	Everybody.
	Every human being on earth has childhood trauma, men or women.
	It's just that when men complain about it, nobody gives a shit.
	And when women complain about it, there's a woman there to go, oh, sweetie.
	Oh, sweetheart.
	I'm so sorry that that happened.
	Oh, it's so terrible that that happened.
	That the man was mean to you when you were, oh, sweetie, is there anything?
	Can I give you my other shoulder to cry on too?
	When it comes to men, we just don't give a shit.
	We're like, well, suck it up, buttercumbe, get your ass back to work because we got to get this project done by five.
	Well, I do disagree that everybody has had childhood sexual trauma.
	I don't think that has to be.
	It's a highly prevalent woman.
	Where does this idea come from?
	Oh, sorry.
	All right.
	Well, never mind.
	I'm just saying.
	Nick, pull up Twitch.
	Brian's displeased.
	Go ahead.
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	One sec, guys.
	So we did an IRL stream on Friday.
	Yo, ABCH, thank you for the gift of 20 memberships.
	We did a IRL stream on Friday, but we had to take it down because that twat in the pink polo said some TOS shit.
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	If you guys want to see it, discord.gg slash whatever.
	And yeah, appreciate it, guys.
	And then what else do we have?
	I'm just going to get into some pre-show notes here.
	Going to Liz, you said that you're super single in your pre-show notes.
	I'm trying to recall if you said there's some people, something at all in the picture.
	Currently.
	Dating.
	Oh, super single.
	Let's pull up her dating app.
	Why not?
	Let's do that really quick.
	We'll do that really quick.
	Go ahead, Nick.
	That's crazy.
	All right.
	Hot seat.
	All right, guys.
	Here's her.
	Here's her hinge.
	Nick, you looked at these before, correct?
	Devin, Nick.
	All right.
	Are you able to scroll down a bit?
	His opinions don't obviously.
	Spider bees, nicked.
	What are those two?
	I'm scared of complete darkness.
	Okay, there's two phobias there.
	So what are right?
	Thalasphobia is that ass phobia.
	I'm just playing.
	Deep waters.
	It is deep waters.
	Thank you so much.
	I wanted to see.
	Okay, so like nyctophobia.
	Thank you, Laundrie.
	It's more like I'm scared of complete like darkness, meaning like pitch darkness.
	Like I can't see my hands, my feet.
	And that like is scary because I like start thinking of things like what is out there?
	And obviously that's like just that.
	But thallus phobia is deep water.
	So I know how to swim.
	I like to swim.
	Got it.
	Okay.
	You said you're Christian.
	You're Christian.
	What denomination?
	I actually grew up Mormon, but I would consider myself Christian now because I'm so like religious.
	So I still go to church on like every other Sunday.
	I'm trying to do better.
	What's the denomination of the church?
	Christianity.
	Non-denominational?
	Like Pentecostal.
	Did you by chance go to St. Baptist?
	So, no.
	I don't like, honestly, I haven't really investigated that much, but I wanted to reach out to churches and I didn't want to go back to like Mormon.
	So I looked at the churches that were nearby and I went to a couple and that one really stood out to me in the sense of like the pastor and what he preaches and like energy based because I've like tried like Jehovah's Witnesses.
	I didn't really, it wasn't really intriguing.
	All right, let's go back to the profile, please.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Okay, boom.
	Next.
	It's cute.
	Together we could cook, workout, hopefully make each other laugh.
	Okay.
	Hee hee hee.
	Green flags I look for.
	Communication, patience, charisma, family-oriented, sense of humor, optimism, etc.
	I don't know, man.
	That sounds like a lot of work.
	Okay.
	Not as much as fucking Lawrence, all right?
	Don't fucking put me there.
	I was going to press the button, but I got cut off.
	So I was pressing.
	Wait, you didn't know the rule of Laurens?
	So just so you know, all Lauren are evil from birth.
	Okay.
	This is evil for Lauren.
	Nick, is there more?
	That was the last one.
	Okay.
	We're evil from birth.
	He said.
	Every Lauren.
	Andrew.
	Hayes expand.
	That's me too.
	What do you mean?
	She's also Lauren.
	We have two Laurens here.
	Wait, why?
	I don't know why.
	It's like a universal law.
	I've never been able to figure it out, but there is no such thing as a Lauren who is not evil from birth.
	I have no idea.
	I'm not evil from birth.
	I mean, that's nothing I am.
	I think my exes have something else to say about that.
	We need a whatever poll to see if all Laurens are evil from birth, honestly.
	I've never met a Lauren I didn't like, but I have a really sweet friend named Lauren.
	It's a great name.
	I think Lauren's a great name.
	You are a Laurie.
	Come on.
	Who are you?
	If you ever heard you name Lauren.
	So going around the table, those of you who are single, I know you're married, relationship.
	Do you currently have a roster of guys?
	I think you said you're dating a couple people.
	Well, no, when I said dating, I meant like I'm single and I'm open to dating.
	Like I'm not dating a specific person.
	Well, when's the last time you went on the date?
	I guess I went to a concert last night with some people.
	Some people?
	Was it a date?
	It was a group of people and there was other single people there.
	I feel like this is very coded language.
	I went on a concert with some people and there were other single people there as well that were in the group.
	Wait, was it like one of these single outing groups?
	No.
	That meet up type thing?
	No, I went with a friend and her friends.
	Swingers.
	I'm just kidding.
	One of the friends of her friends.
	Last time I was on like a date date.
	What was the concert?
	Creed.
	Oh, that was so good.
	Okay.
	Can I get your best Creed impression?
	Can you take me higher?
	Whoa, yes, ma'am.
	All right, there you go.
	Okay.
	So when's the last time you were on the date?
	Like dinner, what do you mean?
	When's the last time you hung out one-on-one with a man where there was a mutual or potentially mutual romantic interest?
	Okay.
	Or sexual interest.
	Probably like a month ago or so.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Is he out of the picture?
	No, not out of the picture.
	Okay.
	How long have you been hanging out with this individual?
	There's like an on-again, off-again person that's been in my life for like seven years.
	On-again, off-again.
	And yeah, so there's that person a little bit.
	Being a little evasive.
	I'm single.
	What do you want to do?
	I'm open to talking about some past experiences, but I don't feel comfortable talking about my current life right now, dating.
	You've been seeing this guy for seven years.
	No, I mean, this is just somebody.
	This is like very pertinent to the conversation.
	It's somebody that is in an off-again phase right now.
	Is he in prison?
	No, no, no, no, no, no.
	We both just...
	You don't need to tell me his name or anything.
	No.
	No, I know.
	It's just not.
	I'm not going to talk about that.
	Well, I'll ask some questions.
	If you don't want to answer them, that's fine.
	So you said you were on a date a month ago.
	Was it with said guy who you can't talk about?
	No.
	Okay.
	No.
	But so I okay.
	I guess I met somebody at, I met somebody at an event and went out with friends after the event, went out for drinks after the event with this person.
	But yeah.
	A month ago?
	Yeah.
	So you met him a month ago or have you known him for longer?
	The person that I technically went on a date with last?
	Yes, I met him a month ago and we went on a date.
	Have you seen him since or no?
	We've talked.
	We've talked?
	Yeah.
	Have you met in person?
	I don't want to talk about that stuff right now.
	I mean, why not?
	Just.
	I know.
	Hold on.
	I think I know exactly why.
	There's multiple men in the picture and you don't want to let on to these other men, these multiple men who you're saying.
	Oh, actually, whoa, actually, my friend.
	I'll tell you the reason.
	I'll tell you the reason.
	What other reason would you refuse this question?
	I'll tell you right now.
	My son is a huge fan of this show, and I really hope he doesn't watch this podcast, but I keep my dating life private from my children.
	Wait, you asked to come on a dating discussion?
	Yeah, because I was hoping it would be a little bit more like politically involved.
	Well, we can get there.
	Okay, so that's what I was actually hoping for more.
	Like, you know, I said I'm open to talking about some of my past experiences.
	Well, you're not, well, you're not silly, right?
	We could refer to this X as Sasquatch or like whatever you want in order to make it so that you can talk about these experiences in a way that we can understand without you outing any of this actual pertinent information, right?
	Yeah, potentially.
	It's just that my kid, like, he's just discovered that I'm dating.
	Like, he, for the longest time, only thought I only had one boyfriend after his dad for eight years.
	So it's just a lot of fun.
	We're not speaking about a boyfriend.
	We're talking about a Sasquatch, right?
	Right.
	Like, if you were to date a Sasquatch, what would that be?
	Right.
	Something like this, I think you don't seem like you're foolish, right?
	I think that we can work this in in such a way where you can discuss these issues without you outing any personal details, nor do we want you to.
	Yeah.
	What is it that you would like to know about the date?
	Well, I was more interested in the whole roster situation.
	I don't have a roster.
	I've never had a roster.
	I date.
	I put myself, I stopped dating men in California a year ago.
	Why?
	Because a lot of political stuff.
	I really like more conservative men, and so I started dating in Texas.
	Where it's bigger.
	You live in California?
	I do.
	But I was hoping to move out there.
	Wait, with your three kids?
	No, just with just my son and I. My daughters are already established here and they're older, so.
	Wait, you have three kids, right?
	You have one that just is 17?
	Yeah, but she graduated high school already.
	Okay, she's gone to college.
	And then you have a younger daughter.
	year old sophomore and then your son is 11 in sixth grade Okay.
	Wait, why don't you, do you have, wait, do you have full custody of your children?
	Well, I never took him to court for any custody arrangement until last year, and the girls are at discretion to go with their dad, and his son, our son, can see him only if he agrees to not have the girlfriend around.
	Well, assuming you met somebody and you could move to Texas now, you would have to go to the next step.
	I would not be able to leave without permission, written permission from him, since I kind of shot myself in the foot by taking him to court because now I can't leave if I wanted to without written permission.
	Wait, and so.
	But I had to take him to court.
	So you'd have to wait.
	I'm confused.
	But you said you want to move to Texas.
	I had wanted to.
	It didn't work out, so I'm not.
	Would he consider granting you permission to move?
	I don't know.
	We really don't talk.
	Does he ever have the kids?
	Rarely.
	Rarely.
	And if he does, it's our son.
	How often does he visit?
	He could go six months without seeing him or see him every weekend.
	It's really open to him.
	I would never keep my kid's father from.
	Knowing that you are essentially barred from leaving, why are you pursuing a man who lives in Texas?
	I'm not anymore doing that because I know I can't, I'm for sure not moving.
	But that's what I did last year.
	So last year, I stopped dating men in California.
	Because you wanted to meet a conservative guy.
	In Texas.
	Okay.
	Other things I like about Texas too.
	There's a lot of liberals in Texas, too.
	There are.
	There are.
	Okay.
	And so at any point, have you had a roster?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	How big was the roster?
	Not big.
	Small.
	Two, three guys?
	At a time, I guess I would say two.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	Ever had a roster?
	Yeah, I mentioned that earlier, that I've had my hoes.
	You said hose at home.
	Yeah, fair stage of hose.
	But that doesn't necessarily mean like having sex.
	Like, what is a roster to you in your definition?
	Does that mean like sexually active with them?
	Are you just dating them or talking to them?
	I mean, it could mean sexual activity, but I would say like if you're dating multiple men.
	I mean, like I've talked to some, but like, I think like, have you ever, okay, let's just, I'll just make it simple.
	Okay.
	Let's just do like sexual.
	Have you ever had a roster of guys who you've been hooking up with?
	It'd be more like just running back to my exes.
	I remember that whole accountability conversation we were having, right?
	Come on, tell us about the roster.
	Andrew, okay, that's what I'm saying.
	I'm getting there.
	I'm getting there.
	What I'm saying was that I wouldn't like for me, like, oh, okay, like, I didn't want to do the one that says, like, I would do more, like, I would run to my exes, and that was my issue.
	Like, oh, I wanted to, I wanted, like, to whatever, quick nut or just be, like, sexually, or, like, just bust it out there, you know what I'm saying?
	Instead of adding another body.
	Would you ever be sexually involved with multiple men at the same time?
	And when I say same time, I mean, say, a period of a week, a month, something like this.
	No, it would be like sexually active with one, entertaining some, like talking dating-wise, but like the other one would be strictly just for like sexual basis.
	So there'd be like you'd have one guy who you're sleeping with, and then maybe you'd be going on like a date here and there with like another dude.
	Yeah.
	Would you ever tell that other dude that you're waiting to have sex with him?
	Oh, I...
	Oh, never mind.
	I just see that.
	I'm sorry.
	Repeat your question.
	Like, the men while you were kind of had the roster, roster or whatever, would you ever tell them that you want to wait to have sex with them?
	The people that I'm like, my ex-relationships that I like just like behind me.
	Okay, you said there'd be like one guy here you're sleeping with.
	Yeah.
	And then there would be other guys who you're not sleeping with, but like you're going on a date or a second date, that sort of thing.
	Yeah.
	What would you tell them?
	Because I assume they wanted to sleep with you, right?
	Would you tell them that you're waiting to have sex?
	I mean, it kind of just goes with like, see what our vibe is.
	I always do have a conversation, like, obviously, like, are you sexually active with other people before we make the jump of having sex?
	Like, okay, yeah, okay, this is what it is.
	Like, this is the last person I had sex with.
	I had sex with my ex.
	I'm just going to be honest because at the end of the day, like, I'd rather be honest and just like beat around the bush about it.
	Like, and then I hope to receive the same back.
	I think what he's asking is, are you withholding sex from the guys that you're going on casual dates with?
	Now, I would say yes.
	Back then, I did discover my confidence and I would like be like, oh, yeah, let's do this.
	Or if I'll sext you, I felt the vibe or I'd indulge in smoking or drinking to do that.
	But now, no.
	Back then?
	Huh?
	Oh, it was what?
	Was it out?
	Was it all?
	Not like too much, but you could have been.
	Sorry.
	What happens if you have tips?
	Sorry.
	So back to the discussion.
	I'm sorry.
	Did I answer your question?
	Or were you?
	All right, here, I'll move it on.
	Roster?
	Have you ever seen that?
	You're latibulating a little bit here, right?
	So backing up.
	Yeah, yeah.
	So backing up, I feel like you're spinning a yarn here worse than Rumpelstiltskin.
	So can you just be a little bit more concise with what it is that you're saying?
	Because you're kind of going all over the place here.
	I'm trying to find the question.
	So like, say, for example, I'm like sleeping with a guy and I go on dates with two other guys.
	You would ask me, like, am I. He's trying to ask, actually, that was about hypothetical.
	Okay, he's asking if you are withholding sex from these guys that you were going on dates with while you were also having a sexual relationship with someone else.
	Like, are you telling these guys, oh, I want to wait to have sex while you're also having sexual relations?
	Okay, no.
	Okay.
	No.
	Okay.
	Ever had a roster?
	Yes.
	What was the scope of it?
	It was only like three, and then I ended up dating one.
	That was the one that I just recently got out of.
	And were you hooking up with all of them?
	No.
	It was only with him.
	But you were dating three at the time.
	Well, I wouldn't say like dating.
	I would say like we would hang out.
	We're like cutie and flirty and we would like go out with like a group of friends.
	It was never just like one-on-one.
	Wait.
	What do you mean?
	Like we would like all like, it would be like me, him, and then his friends and then like my girlfriends.
	We would like all go out together, but we liked each other, but we never went like on a date with each other.
	I'm sorry.
	The main guy that you liked?
	No, the other two.
	They wait.
	They would also, all three of the men would be on a date together with you?
	No, so like...
	What?
	First, like the main guy I like that I ended up dating, him and I would just hang out all the time, like just me and him together.
	And we'd go on dates, we would just be us two, or it would be like me and his sister, or like I'd hang out with his family.
	And then the other two, I would hang out in like group settings.
	Okay.
	Individually.
	Sure, sure.
	Yeah.
	What about you?
	Roster?
	Current?
	No roster?
	Current?
	I mean, I'm like dating, so like going on multiple dates.
	Is that a roster?
	Yeah, well, let's talk about that.
	So you're dating, you're going on multiple dates.
	How many have you been on a date this week?
	Past week?
	This week, probably two.
	Two dates?
	Okay.
	And were they both first dates?
	One of them, yes, the other one, no.
	Okay.
	Past month, how many dates have you gone on?
	Like six.
	How many different?
	Like six different guys?
	Six guys?
	Six different guys?
	Okay.
	All right.
	It's just dating, though.
	So it's not like anything sexual.
	Okay.
	So you're not hooking up with anybody?
	No.
	You think I'm lying?
	I don't know.
	I don't know what the truth is.
	It's okay.
	Your friend back there is laughing.
	Can we see them in the reflection?
	I'm trying to see.
	A little bit.
	We can sort of see it right there.
	Yeah, there she is.
	So she's telling the truth here, friend?
	I played a fifth.
	So, how long have you been celibate?
	I went on my single line.
	Eight months.
	Nine.
	That's how long I've been single for you.
	Why does she keep walking off?
	She just doesn't believe you?
	No, she's getting water.
	She's getting water.
	She's getting water.
	Hold on, I swear.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	So, because you said you have been single for eight months, so there's been.
	Nobody.
	Nobody.
	No.
	Nobody?
	Nobody.
	What if I told you that somebody DM'd me that knows you?
	Okay.
	And they said that's not true.
	Uh-oh.
	Absolutely false.
	I'm just kidding.
	I'm like.
	But I've had heard that before, though, where it's guys lie about hugging up with me.
	I am from a small town.
	So going back to you, have you ever had a roster?
	Yeah, at one point in time.
	How big was it as a roster?
	Three.
	Three guys?
	Like that you were not sleeping.
	No, like texting.
	Texting.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	You ever had a roster, girls, guys?
	Yeah, I've definitely had a roster, no more than like three, but it wasn't like I was having sex with all of the milwans.
	It was just like talking.
	How big was the roster?
	You said three.
	Probably like three, yeah.
	And then did you answer this question?
	Yeah, I said.
	Or you refused to kind of answer it.
	I said I have had one at one.
	I have had one in my life.
	Okay.
	Oh, okay.
	Going to my notes here on Anna.
	You said kind.
	Your current relationship, you talked about it a bit.
	You said it's kind of an interesting story.
	Did you share the interesting story?
	Well, it was just that we talked for like a full year, but we basically were dating, but we never made it official.
	You guys were friends?
	No, we met on Tinder.
	Oh.
	And wait, you didn't meet up in person?
	No, we did.
	Oh, you did?
	We just never made it an official title that we were dating, but we just acted like we were dating for like a year.
	Oh, okay.
	You said you have a lot of crazy dating stories from hookups with guys in your freshman year that didn't know how to put on a condom.
	Can you shine a flashlight for me?
	I did have a guy make me shine a flashlight on his dick to put the condom on.
	It was really uncomfortable.
	Wait, why was it uncomfortable?
	Well, it was just like I didn't want to put a flashlight on that in like the dark room.
	Like that's just like, it wasn't the kind of thing.
	You were like a lights out kind of gal.
	Well, it just like ruined the moment.
	Wasn't it going to go inside of you?
	Yeah, it was.
	But you just didn't want to look at it?
	Maybe.
	It was like, it was a hookup, and so it was just like, it kind of ruined the moment when he's like, oh, like, can you get a flashlight?
	And I'm like, trying to find my phone.
	So he wanted to make sure that the condom went on correctly so that you could see.
	I think he was a virgin.
	It just ruined the moment for you.
	To be honest, I think he just had never put one on before.
	He was a virgin?
	Yeah.
	It was really awkward.
	He had a little penis.
	Yeah.
	Why are you over here now?
	Now he has an oompa loopa penis, like a he can't be even mildly charitable.
	He can't be even mildly charitable.
	He was fine.
	Like, there was nothing really special about it.
	It was just really awkward.
	Because of the flashlight.
	Yeah, the flashlight.
	Because it was like, and like he was just standing there holding it.
	And it was like a spotlight because he's like struggling to put on the condom.
	You heard it here first, folks.
	Don't be vulnerable with women ever.
	I guess.
	You know what?
	They do say guys that turn the lights on, oh, girls that turn the lights on, they're like, or they turn the lights off.
	I think they say that they're insecure about themselves.
	Yeah, I have heard that, but I don't even know why the lights are off or were off.
	It just kind of happened that way.
	So a lot of crazy dating went from your freshman year.
	Yeah, I had like a sugar daddy and stuff.
	Okay.
	You said, let me see here, you dated a guy for your, well, let's go into the sugar daddy really quick.
	First off, show of hands.
	Who here has had a sugar daddy before?
	Is that not normal?
	You've had a sugar daddy?
	Yeah.
	Equestrian horse.
	Someone's got to pay for the horses.
	Emphasis on the no daddy part.
	If she said no dad, that doesn't mean she meant sugar daddy.
	You?
	You, you, and.
	Did you raise your hand too?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	So let's get into the sugar daddy stuff really quick.
	Only one sugar daddy or have you had more?
	Only one that like actually like paid me first.
	Or like a significant amount.
	But I never like did anything like actual.
	Like we never had sex or anything like that.
	How old was he?
	Probably like 56.
	How old were you?
	Something like that.
	18.
	Okay.
	And how did you meet him?
	Tinder.
	Tinder.
	Yeah.
	He had like some really weird like niche kinks.
	Niche kinks.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	So what was the nature of the exchange between you two?
	A lot of FaceTime or like texting.
	He really just liked to have somebody to talk to.
	And I did go to his house one time and he had a, he called it a clothing fetish.
	He liked to buy clothing for women and have them just try it on.
	So I basically just bought a bunch of free clothes.
	I love that.
	And so you said FaceTime texting, he would pay you?
	Yeah.
	How much was he paying you?
	He would like sometimes like just bimo me like $200 and be like just get on FaceTime for a bit.
	But he was like really annoying in the end and so I stopped talking about it.
	And how much for the in-person hangout?
	It would depend.
	He would usually like just kind of like hand out cash as it went on.
	But he would also like buy me clothing or like take me out to eat.
	I only went to see him like two times and then really never.
	You said you went to dinner once or something?
	Yeah, we went to Nobu.
	Nobu.
	How much is Nobu?
	How much does that cost?
	It was like $1,500.
	In the thousand.
	No.
	Wait, $1,000?
	I don't know.
	For a regular dinner.
	For like a two-person dinner, it's like $500.
	He's expensive.
	He spent like $1,500 at the dinner, but he was just buying drinks and everything.
	Oh, that's why I asked him.
	And then, so how much for texting would he pay you?
	It wasn't ever a set amount for texting so much.
	He would just kind of text, but he had really weird hours.
	So it would be like 3 a.m. in the morning, and he would just be blowing up my phone.
	And then he'd send me money if I wasn't responding with the intent that I should respond, I guess.
	How much money do you think total he sent that I made in total from him?
	Probably like 4,000 and it was only like within a month span.
	One month.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	And then you said there was another sugar daddy?
	There were just some other like older guys that I like tried to match with on Tinder.
	You tried to match with them.
	Well I did match with them but like they either wanted to like actually have sex or just never really happened.
	Anything happened.
	How would like were they upfront about wanting to be sugar daddies or was this something that you were kind of soliciting?
	The one guy that I actually did see in person, he was very upfront about it.
	It was like a regular thing he did.
	The other ones, not so much.
	Sometimes like I would have like older guys on Tinder would like message me and be like, I'll pay you this much for this or this.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Was it because they were ugly that you didn't do it or was it because like what Daisy said earlier was like if they're ugly it's kind of creepy but if they were kind of cute you would like do it.
	Yeah honestly that is kind of real like if they were ugly I was like okay that's gross.
	But if they were cute but like I never actually wanted to have sex with any of them like I wasn't gonna do like sex for money.
	Sure.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Did you ever send like lewd pictures or I took photos from Pornhub and sent it to them.
	So fraud?
	Yeah.
	So you would send him new like one time.
	He never really how much did he pay for that?
	Probably like 50 bucks or something.
	Oh damn.
	Not like feet pics or something?
	I would love to find somebody that wants feet picks for money.
	That'd be great.
	All right.
	Okay.
	You had a sugar daddy.
	What about you?
	Yeah.
	Oh, oh, me.
	How many have you had?
	I'm going to pass it to you.
	How many have you had?
	How many have I had?
	Yeah.
	How many sugar daddies have you had?
	This is your question.
	That was not my question.
	It was not my question.
	That I can pinpoint.
	Maybe like a good handful.
	How would you meet them?
	Well, that's not very, hang on.
	That's not very pinpoint.
	You say, so pinpoint is to be very precise.
	I have a smithy saying a handful.
	Very precise, right?
	Vague.
	Yeah, it's very vague.
	Very vague, very not cutesy.
	I'm just playing.
	No, so I, at one point, so I'll tie it back to when I got out of like my religion and went to school paying for my tuition.
	I did at one point dance.
	And that's.
	Wait, hang on.
	When you say dance, right?
	So that just sounds like saying to me super califragilistic XBL.
	It means nothing, right?
	It means nothing to me.
	What does dance mean?
	Okay, so like if I had to put to put a point on sugar daddies, I would say that I've had a good handful would mean like five, handful, five.
	Yeah, but what does dance mean?
	How long were you a stripper for?
	I was dancing for like a year.
	Yeah, I was stripping.
	Stripper.
	Stripping for like a year.
	It was pre-pandemic.
	So.
	So getting into the sugar daddy thing, you said you had.
	You're more open to it.
	So like when you go to the clubs, it would be more like.
	You don't need to justify it.
	That's fine.
	Oh, no.
	I'm getting closer to the answer of like the sugar daddy part.
	So you'd meet sugar daddies there, whatever.
	Sometimes it'd be a go, sometimes I wouldn't, which ties me back to my answer.
	It would be a handful of sugar daddies where it'd be like, here's some money.
	I want to come support you.
	You look great.
	Here.
	Let me praise you as a woman.
	Boom.
	There's that.
	What was the age typically in their 40s, 50s?
	Yeah, anywhere from like not even that.
	30s.
	20s to like they're not obviously daddies, but they so this, this, I mean, we can talk about what was going on in the club, but I'm assuming when you're talking about sugar daddies, this is outside the club, correct?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	And so I did have a seeking arrangement at one point, which is sure.
	But so of your sugar daddies, did you meet all of them at the club?
	Or how many did you meet from seeking?
	I would say like two in club, three in seeking.
	Okay.
	So let's talk.
	The guy who spent the most on you, let's start there.
	How much total did he spend?
	On a monthly basis, I would say three to four thousand.
	Three to four thousand.
	Okay.
	And how long was this going on for?
	Like a year.
	Okay.
	So total, would you say this guy who spent the most on you spent $40,000, $50,000?
	Is that fair or more?
	That's the math, yeah.
	Okay.
	Well, he, so was he giving you an allowance, essentially?
	But then other, was he spending more on top of that?
	Yeah, because they were farther away.
	So it was mainly like, like she was saying, like videos and stuff like that.
	It was a lot of feet pictures too.
	Like videos and stuff of my feet.
	And then it'd be more, so like send me videos of you like pushing your toots together.
	It'd be like semi-subtios of you like angled in a certain way.
	Okay.
	And did you ever meet him in person?
	Actually, one turned into like a dating, and it was the one that spent the most.
	Wait.
	One turned into dating.
	But the guy who was giving you three to four K a month, is that the guy who spent the most or no?
	Yeah.
	That's the guy who turned into dating.
	Yeah.
	So that's why, like, when I say like sugar daddy, like, it was like sugar daddy, but it turned into like a semi-relationship.
	Really?
	How soon into the sugar daddy?
	Like, one month in?
	No, like, six months in.
	And they came into a conversation of, like, when you're already giving that money and you want to have a relationship, comes to a conversation of like, am I still going to give you the money?
	Like, this was the relationship when it started.
	So I would have to.
	Did he?
	I feel like he was trying to cut it, like, skimp it short, yeah.
	But then I always reback to like, this could possibly be a relationship, but it couldn't because they were also married, had kids.
	So it's like, you have.
	Oh, he was married.
	Well, they've been married.
	They weren't married when they were talking.
	Yeah, they were divorced.
	They were.
	Yeah.
	So they had the whole thing of getting married, having kids.
	And like, I had not had that.
	So it's like, I don't know how you would want me to, like, that's something that I want to experience.
	Prior to getting into the relationship, had you guys had sex?
	No.
	So he was sugar daddy six months, then you guys get into a relationship.
	Then you guys have sex.
	Yeah, but it wasn't like sexual.
	was more oral like when we first like started meeting up it was just like watch Like, you would give him oral?
	Yeah, it'd be like he would give you a oral.
	I mean, yeah, that's sexual.
	Okay, like, yeah, that is sexual.
	You're right.
	Reprase.
	So, yes, it was more so like orally, like, between like him and I.
	But it comes with fantasy.
	So it came with him being fantasized of like him playing with me playing with myself.
	Not him playing with himself.
	Me playing with myself, um...
	Huh?
	Uh-huh.
	Huh?
	And... Huh?
	Sorry.
	And yeah, like, yeah, then it just came to a point where he did start asking for more.
	And then it came to like very awkward.
	I'm like, what do you mean asking for more?
	Like, when are you going to like toss my salad?
	What?
	Okay.
	Wow.
	And I'm like, look, I'm going to be girl.
	I do like Caesar salads, but I don't toss them.
	Okay.
	But, and it kind of got a little uncomfortable because that's something that I not had been into, you know?
	So that was the deal breaker for him?
	A year into you guys talking to each other was I don't eat ass.
	You wouldn't toss a salad?
	Yes.
	Is that what that means?
	Tossing salad means eating ass.
	Are you serious?
	You don't even ask that.
	I didn't either.
	Yes.
	I thought it was just having sex.
	Not at all ever.
	That's what I did too.
	Doesn't it just taste like Worcestershire sauce, I'm told?
	Watch!
	That's what you said on this?
	Yeah.
	That's fucking disgusting.
	You know what the most embarrassing thing is when you're sexually and you're like, yes, I'm getting into it.
	And you're like, maybe I'll try it.
	And then I've had an experience where some guy tilted his legs back and it was like, whoa, pause.
	Pause.
	I want to go home.
	What?
	Okay.
	Wow.
	But yeah, no.
	So, okay, you've had like four other sugar daddies.
	Were you involved with these sugar daddies while you were involved with Maine spending the most on you, Sugar Daddy?
	No.
	No.
	Okay.
	So how much were these other guys spending on you?
	It depends.
	They'll be like, oh, well, I'll come support you at the club when I was dancing.
	And they would like spend money on either like VIP dances or they were do like stage to like flaunt their ego or whatever.
	Or they can make money.
	I'm just talking like outside the club.
	Outside the club.
	Mm-mm.
	Like, no, I go on dates and I'll get paid like three, four hundred dollars just to go on a date with me.
	Just go on a date.
	Yeah.
	Bruh.
	Nice.
	Light.
	Okay.
	Okay, I'll get to it.
	Okay.
	Bruh, bro.
	What?
	Let it out.
	We're supposed to be open here.
	You said you had a sugar daddy.
	Just one, multiple sugar daddies.
	I had two.
	Two sugar daddies.
	How long did you have each of them?
	So one of them lost like a week, but he gave me like.
	Lasted a week?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	He gave me like $500.
	Okay.
	And he DM'd me on Instagram.
	He said, I'll give you money for this picture.
	And it was a sponsored bikini picture.
	And I was just like, well, how much do you want for it?
	Like, I'll DM it to you.
	And he's like, I'll give you 500 bucks.
	I said, you're lying.
	And he's like, what's your Venmo?
	And I sent it to him.
	$500 was in my account.
	Wait, did you send it?
	Yeah.
	I sent it after, because I thought he was lying.
	Yeah.
	And then the other sugar daddy?
	I don't know where I met him from.
	I think we have mutual friends because he's in the military and he's stationed down in San Diego.
	And he'll just send me like money here and there.
	He'll be like, hey, what are you doing?
	And I'm like, nothing.
	He goes, do you want to get your nails done?
	I'm like, sure.
	He'll send me like 60 bucks.
	Or if he knows I'm going out with friends, he'll send you a damn thing.
	Are you still talking to him?
	No.
	This was like two months ago.
	How long were you involved with this guy?
	Before my last relationship to the current one, it was like a three-month time span.
	So it was like then.
	And then it was like on and off for like since I was a senior in high school.
	Or for a year.
	With the sugar daddy?
	Yeah.
	So two or three years then?
	Yeah.
	It's been a while.
	He would just send you money.
	How much money do you think total he sent you?
	Maybe like 10 grand.
	How old was he?
	He's like 23.
	Yeah, because we're only a couple years more.
	And you've been, it sounded like you've been in a couple relationships.
	At any point, were you receiving money from him while you were in a relationship?
	No.
	Really?
	Yes.
	You can look at my Venmo history.
	I'll pull that up right now.
	I'll take your word for it.
	But you said you were on and off with a sugar daddy for two to three years.
	And so you said he'd send you $10,000.
	Did you ever send him any revealing photos or anything like that?
	No.
	He just wants someone to talk to him.
	Just like...
	Just talk.
	Yeah.
	Did you guys ever meet up in person?
	We met up one time.
	It was because there was.
	It was his family.
	Or not his family.
	His brother.
	I knew his brother.
	And it was when he was coming back home from BASIC.
	And that was the only time I saw him.
	Did you guys hook up or anything?
	Nope.
	I don't know.
	How old was he?
	At that point?
	Yeah.
	19?
	The fucker?
	19?
	Bro.
	These fucking guys are ruining the dating market.
	There are a lot of men in the military that do that.
	I have a lot of friends.
	Yeah.
	I have a lot of friends that have told me that men, like Army guys or Marines, will send them money just because I don't understand it, but it's very common.
	Buy a Corvette or some bullshit.
	Buy a fucking Mustang.
	Yeah.
	Waste your money on that shit.
	Really?
	They'll just send money to just like any fat floozie that is around.
	I mean, that's what you think they do?
	There are a lot of stuff like that that happens in the military.
	You'd be very surprised.
	It's the plastics in the water, dude.
	It's sad, but it happens.
	What is going on to our men?
	Damn, that's crazy.
	You're Christian, right?
	Me?
	Yeah.
	Yes.
	What denomination?
	Southern Baptist.
	Southern Baptist?
	Okay.
	You said you did send a guy like a bikini photo?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Andrew, question for you.
	Is this considered sex work?
	Yes.
	So, how do you reconcile doing sex work with your Christian faith?
	You think that's sex work?
	Yes.
	You sent a you received money for like a, was it a nude photo or?
	No, it was a bikini, and it's posted on my Instagram too.
	How is that?
	Well, how is that not the purpose of that is not to sell sexualization for money?
	How is that not prostitution?
	Sorry, I'm trying to think.
	Well, don't try too hard.
	That's like what my brain does all the time.
	It works a little slow.
	Would you agree that doing, say, like a woman does all of that?
	Hang on, let her answer, please.
	Okay.
	I would say, like, from both points of views, like, yeah, it's something like I shouldn't have done in the moment, but I, in the time frame, like, I needed money because there's something going on with my horse, and I needed the money, so it was kind of like a characteristic or character trait to do that.
	Would I do that again?
	No.
	But on the flip side, I do see how you can see it as it is prostitution in a way.
	No, no, no.
	I'm not asking how you think I see it.
	I've told you how I see it.
	I'm asking you how that could be anything other than selling sexualization for money.
	How is it anything other than that?
	I don't think it is.
	Yeah.
	So, I mean, and is that not prostitution?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	So you did engage in a form of prostitution, right?
	Yeah.
	Saying that is incompatible with Christian ethics, correct?
	Oh, sorry.
	Dang.
	I mean, that's all, right?
	Just, it's fine.
	Just, you know, like, like I said, that whole accountability thing.
	I don't see how it could be anything other than that.
	That's all.
	It does come, like, yeah, the accountability part.
	I think that, like, a lot of people are like, it sounds weirder than when you like lay it down and when it's laid down and when you say it and you break it up like you just did, it's like, oh my God.
	Well, I agree with you.
	So I think you make a great point here with the normalization in society, how people can kind of do all sorts of mental gymnastics, but they don't think the thing that they're engaging in is the thing they're engaging in.
	There's all sorts of societal pressures and this and that.
	But I don't think that that gives you a pass on the accountability front, right?
	So I think that recognizing that you did what you did, taking accountability for it, that's how you actually move past the actual thing itself.
	That's what I think.
	Does that make sense?
	Or am I speaking in Spanglish here?
	No, I agree.
	Es muiklado.
	Es miklado.
	Yeah, I regret it because it was a hard point in my life.
	So.
	Yeah, right.
	But that's that, but that's not accountability.
	That's a justification, right?
	Not accountability.
	It's like, yeah, I regret doing it, but it, but, but here's my justification for why.
	It's like, really?
	So for instance, so let me kind of like give you a little bit of pushback here.
	If anybody came to you who's a friend of yours who was a Christian and said, think about engaging in prostitution, would you allow any justification for it?
	No.
	No.
	So, I mean, that's that, right?
	There's no reason to ever make the justification, just the responsibility aspect.
	And that's what will always make you stand out from my perspective.
	You hear one, take one.
	And so I think that like.
	You had a sugar daddy, correct?
	I've had, yeah.
	More than one?
	Yes.
	Were you a dancer two?
	No, two is crazy.
	I can't dance, unfortunately.
	Fair enough.
	By dance, you mean stripping?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	How many sugar daddies have you had?
	I don't think I've ever really kept count.
	I mean, to me, a sugar daddy is just anybody that pays you for your time.
	So I did go through a phase where I was on a website where.
	No, it's different.
	It's called what'syourprice.com.
	This is a new one.
	I've used that one.
	She's like, you've had more than five sugar daddies.
	Okay.
	So you've had a handful of more than 10?
	Yes, Stephanie.
	More than 20?
	Well, yes.
	More than 30?
	Probably, yes.
	More than.
	Have you done that?
	I did it for like a year, so yes.
	I've had probably like 100?
	Yes.
	No, 100?
	Yes.
	When they paid for your time.
	100 different men.
	Do you want me to tell you how the website works so that way you don't question my like, oh my god, I'm rich?
	It was more so like on what's your price?
	It's like they agree on a date with you, right?
	So you send, either you send them or they send you a request where it's like $200 for a date, just first date.
	So then you can either accept or like ask for more, ask for whatever you want.
	So then once you guys agree on a price for that first date, you guys go on a date, they pay you, and it's just for the first date.
	And then if you wish to continue or not, then that's different.
	So I went on a lot of first dates for, you know, $200 to $500.
	Yeah, I'm looking at the website.
	It says $126 is the average offer amount.
	$56 million.
	It is the average.
	Did you look average?
	I mean, $6 million.
	I've only had probably like three consistent ones.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	What's your price on call?
	But yeah, the average for first dates is usually like probably less for most people.
	For me, my minimum was always $200 for a date.
	And you said you went on over 100 dates?
	I did it for a year, so and I did a lot of date.
	So what was this like?
	How did you establish that?
	How did you establish that you expected $200 to be paid on the date?
	Well, for me, it was just like, I thought like $200 was like, okay, it's enough to pitch in for rent, bills, and all that.
	So I didn't really expect more for a first date.
	Okay, so what was the average age of the men when you said it?
	30s.
	30s.
	Okay.
	Of the, and how many, you said over 100 different dates?
	Yeah.
	Did you ever go on a second date with any of these guys?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	But it was 100 individual men that you went on dates with?
	Yeah, throughout the year.
	Okay.
	And did you date any of them?
	Day isn't like actually wanted something with them?
	Yes.
	No.
	So your intentions to be on the app were solely to make money.
	Correct.
	I mean, this is not a very good endorsement of this app because the guys, I assume, want to go on a date.
	They're even willing to pay for it in the hopes of getting into a relationship.
	You went on 100 plus.
	Wait, question.
	So you said you went on like second dates?
	Yes.
	Third dates?
	Yeah.
	Would you like, what's the most amount of dates that you went on with one guy?
	I would say only three of them were like actually like I would actually like see them more than once, like maybe like once a week.
	Okay.
	And they would continue to pay you for dates, right?
	Correct.
	Would they have to pay you more for follow-up dates or the same?
	Just the same.
	Sometimes they'd give me more, though, depending on what I needed help with.
	Now, of the 100-plus men that you met from this website, did you sleep with any of them?
	No.
	Okay.
	And I'm trying to think here.
	It's a great website.
	I've also used it.
	But basically, it is the real website.
	Wait, you've used it?
	I have.
	You didn't tell us about the website.
	Well, honestly, you kind of forgot about it.
	This is new to me.
	I've never heard about this before.
	I'm surprised I haven't heard about it soon.
	I'm going to go sign up later.
	No, I ain't paying.
	I don't care how hot a girl is.
	I ain't spending a fucking dollar to pay.
	I ain't paying a girl to go on a date with me.
	I'm always trying to realize why they do it, but then it also is like, I just already spending money on a girl, like, let's say when you're dating regular.
	Damn, bro.
	You're dating regular and you're putting so much money on.
	They're probably thinking, like, well, I'm going to spend this much anyways.
	No wonder all these girls.
	I have a question.
	I'm pushing for the ladies.
	Anyone who's had a sugar daddy, do you respect these men?
	Like when you are in their show, just show of hands.
	Yes, do you respect the men?
	Show of hands.
	If you don't raise your hand, really?
	Yes, really.
	I respect them.
	You're putting money on it, so let's put some respect on their name.
	Like, you're doing it out of your own will to do that.
	You wouldn't date any of them.
	So you don't respect him.
	Actually, just because I don't date you doesn't mean I don't respect one guy, I guess.
	But he was still.
	But that didn't mean I didn't respect him.
	Like, there's a difference between respecting and like dating.
	Okay, what about the guys who come to the club?
	Do you respect them?
	Are they marks or whatever?
	What?
	What are they called?
	No, that's for like snarks.
	You're talking about John's.
	Marks?
	A mark, a trick.
	Okay.
	John.
	I can never draw a mark, but like, also the word trick, right?
	So you like think, like, when they go to the club, like, or when you go to the club, like, people are just there to talk and mingle and stuff.
	But, like, you can't go to the club and be like, I'm going to make this a boyfriend.
	Like, you're at the freaking club.
	Okay.
	Wait, any of the guys that you talked about were from this website?
	No, they weren't.
	Oh, so you got more than.
	Okay, you were.
	Well, I honestly forgot to think about it.
	How many dates did you go on from this website?
	I think I only ended up going on one and like I kind of started messaging a lot of them.
	I feel like a lot of them knew that it was like never going to progress to a second date.
	Like they knew they were just paying.
	Pay for a date.
	How much did it cost you?
	I think it was like only like $150.
	And then you've used this website too?
	Anybody, any other girls use this website?
	How many dates have you been on from this website?
	Like two.
	Only two?
	Yeah.
	One girl over here went on 100.
	Look, she's good.
	You know what I'm saying?
	Like, well, there's good things that you're at, and there's good things that you're not at.
	Like, there's also like, it also consists of like messaging and calling and like making sure I'm keeping updated with you.
	Like, yes, this date's going to happen.
	But then it's also like, okay, like, yeah, here's a date.
	Okay, cool.
	But, like, you know.
	So, with these guys on this specific website, if you were to tell them up front that you're not interested in like anything long-term or even like maintaining any sort of friendship or relationship, do you think that most of them would still have taken you out and paid you?
	No.
	Well, they can't really expect anything.
	They're going on a website called What's Your Price?
	Right.
	Well, is that like what's your price for me to take you out?
	100%.
	That's what it sounds like.
	That's like the marketing of their workshop.
	They're in there for dating, do you think?
	Or like long-term?
	They want sugar babies.
	Okay, so they just want it.
	They're including the fucking marketing.
	They just want like a financial.
	Yeah, I think they know what they're getting in top.
	Yeah, okay.
	Because most of them are unattractive.
	I've only seen a whole lot of dates.
	Fucking supermodels over there.
	Like, have you ever been on a date with a sugar daddy and you're just like instantly repulsed by them and then you feel like you have to like continue the date to like Just by virtue of them having to pay for your time is repulsive.
	But I just wonder if you ever had a lot of time.
	I saw it as like a second job.
	Okay.
	Wait, I don't get it.
	I don't get it.
	I don't get.
	Why don't these men just get prostitutes?
	I don't get it.
	So that's the thing.
	A lot of them try to convince themselves that they're not like, oh, like, I'm not paying for sex.
	I'm just like.
	Paying for your time.
	Paying for like your time.
	And if you want to have sex with me, you will because I'm giving you all this money.
	But it's like in their head, I think they're just delusional.
	Just how like most women are delusional.
	I think these, there's certain type of men that are delusional too.
	Like they expect so much from a woman just because they take them out on a date.
	Even if they pay them or not.
	Wait a second.
	Wait, can we back off or back up just for a second?
	You have had sugar daddies, right?
	Yes.
	And you think they're delusional men, so you're taking advantage of delusional people, is what you're saying.
	Yes.
	And if a man were to take advantage of a delusional woman and have sex with her, would that be okay?
	I'm not saying what I did was okay.
	I'm saying.
	No, no, no, no.
	Answer my question first.
	No, it's not okay.
	No, it's not okay.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, so why are you taking advantage of delusional men?
	Because it was a second job.
	Oh, so if a man said, oh, it was a second job for me to take advantage of delusional women for sex, that would be a good justification, you think?
	No, I'm not saying my behavior was correct.
	What I did was totally in the wrong, but I still did it, right?
	Okay.
	So I have a question on this.
	You did say there were a couple guys who you'd go on multiple dates with.
	Were you kind of manipulative?
	Yeah.
	Yes.
	Manipulating the deluge?
	Okay.
	So wait.
	You want to hear my story?
	So you would, knowing that you had no romantic interest, because you could kind of make the argument that you're like, you go on the first date and you're like, I'm giving them a chance.
	But usually for most people, after the first date, they made a determination as to whether they want to continue seeing this person or not.
	Most people actually make that up within five seconds, five minutes of first meeting somebody, but they'll usually continue on with the date to be polite.
	But you've had the first date with these men.
	Some of them you'd continue to have, you know, second, third, fourth dates.
	Did you make the determination on the first date with these men that you continued to go on dates with that you had zero romantic interest in them and that there would never be anything?
	I didn't hear the first part of the question, but like, no, like I didn't ever want anything romantic out of any of them.
	Right.
	So I mean, you were just doing it for the moment.
	For money, correct.
	Because I could sort of get it where the girl's like, well, if I'm going to go on these dates, look, I disagree with it, but I at least want it to be worth my time.
	And maybe I will find a guy who I'll like, potentially.
	I'm open to the idea of dating one of these men who's paying this money.
	But I think, and I'm not even prepared to even grant that that's the case for most of these women, even on the first date.
	But let's say it is.
	But it does kind of call into the question once you start going on multiple dates with them, where I'm like, okay, now you're milking.
	Now it's like, there's not even a shot in hell, a chance in hell.
	Any of these men have a romantic or sexual chance with you, and so that's a bit of a quarrel I have there.
	Where it's like I can at least give you a pass if you're like, Well, I'm giving them a shot for the first date, but I'm still not giving you a pass even for that.
	But if I'm being charitable, I will.
	Okay, but I'm not.
	But why would I give them like a shot if I'm not attracted to them?
	Well, don't they have their photos on the yeah, but like what I'm saying, though, is like, so like after I go on the date to like obviously make money, um, why would I continuously give them a shot if like I don't I'm not attracted to them if it was just for the money service, yeah, I see what your point.
	But you would, I guess I'm kind of getting at is would you lead them on?
	Because there's it takes two to tango, right?
	So you have to want to continue to go on the dates to make more money, but they have to continue to want to go on the dates because they think it will be in pursuit of a potential romantic relationship.
	No.
	So are you essentially playing a game where it's like you're feigning romantic interest in them?
	No, they want at the end of the day, most of them, like, I know they wanted like sugar babies, right?
	So this was when I was like 19, 20 at the time.
	Okay.
	Most of them just wanted sexual encounters without like having like in the back of in my opinion, I think they just didn't want in the back of the mind that they were going to a prostitute.
	I think they wanted to like believe that they were dating the person that like they were gonna hook up with.
	Like I think all of them wanted to hook up with me and I did give them the idea that like because my whole facade was that like I was super religious and I was like gonna be interested in like that was my story.
	That was like my story.
	I would tell them like I would lie to them.
	Yeah.
	I would lie to them saying like oh yeah like I want to date you and like it can become sexual like if like I want to be in a relationship with you.
	So, at the end of the day, like I feel like they were working towards that, even though, like I mean, for me it was just like all a lie.
	And then for one of them, I mean I think he deserved it because he was married, so like that's the one that, like you milked him, he had a whole ass wife, he wanted a lesson.
	What's that saying?
	Is that saying a fool is parted with his money or something?
	I don't know.
	I mean, me and Andrew have had a back and forth on this.
	We agree.
	I mean I don't think men should be using these services and they're kind of I think they're stupid.
	If they do use them, they are, but obviously there's also manipulative women on these services.
	So what's what they get, right?
	I mean well no no no no, that's not what they get.
	I don't think.
	So this is, this is what I mean by the kind of this like double standard woman speak.
	That drives me fucking crazy.
	Just mere moments ago, what I Was wrong, Andrew.
	What I should not have done that.
	This was incorrect.
	This was immoral.
	This was bad.
	And then, literally, what, 10 minutes later, it's that's what they fucking get.
	So, you got to make up your mind.
	Is that what they get, or is it that you were doing something that's bad?
	Like, which one is it?
	I think it comes to a point like nowadays, it's a little bit more like a butterfly.
	Hang on, letter answer.
	Which one is it?
	Answer.
	I feel like that's a tough one because, like, at the end of the day, it's like everyone's actions, right, is like has consequences.
	Um, my actions consequences, consequences, yeah.
	Consequences, okay, consequences.
	Consequences, right?
	So, it's like their actions of like paying a woman to like go spend time with them.
	Like, that deserves a consequence that, like, you might get played.
	Like, I mean, you said that wait, but you said that these men.
	They were smart enough, they build businesses, right?
	You would think they like like a business model to get people in, right, marketing and all that.
	So, it's like, why would you pay a woman to like go on a romantic date?
	Well, wait, wait, it's really funny to me that now suddenly there's some justification here where you're saying, well, wait a second.
	It's actually really tough for me to decide if I did what I did was wrong or incorrect or whatever.
	Wait, where, hang on, let me finish now.
	Whereas just a few minutes ago, you said, Wait, these men were delusional and it's wrong to take advantage of delusional people.
	So, I would like to know how this isn't a complete and total contradiction because that's exactly what it sounds like.
	Is a literal contradiction everybody can see.
	Can you tell us which one is correct?
	Instead of continuously contradicting yourself, can you just tell us, are these delusional men that you took advantage of or did they have it coming?
	You can't say both, right?
	No, am I wrong in thinking like both?
	Say both, and then contradict yourself.
	Is it okay to take advantage of delusional people because they have it coming?
	That would be the entailment, right?
	So, either it's it's okay to take advantage of delusional people because they got it coming because they're delusional, or it's it's incorrect to take advantage of delusional people.
	So, it's got to be one or the other, right?
	It depends on the situation for their situation specifically, right?
	Because, like, delusional can be like in different terms.
	Like, different people are not.
	Oh, really?
	Well, I'm sorry.
	I thought delusional means disconnected from reality.
	Okay.
	Would you agree that that's what delusional?
	What else could delusional mean besides that?
	Do you know how like women are delusional with like with like men and like dating relationships and stuff like that?
	Yeah, like women, women can justify women justify a lot of like men's actions because they're delusional that like they think like he really means one thing when in reality he doesn't.
	Well, hang on, let's let's back up real quick.
	Let's just make sure we get this down.
	Do you agree with me?
	Do you agree with me that delusional means disconnected from reality?
	It's what that comment says, the blame versus fall.
	I think that makes perfect sense.
	Yeah, forget the comment.
	Do you agree with me that delusional means disconnected from reality?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	And if somebody's disconnected from reality, do you think it's okay to take advantage of them because they don't understand that they're being taken advantage of because they're delusional?
	They're disconnected from reality, right?
	No.
	No.
	So then, if that's the case, how could they have it coming?
	I guess it's just more so my bias against these men that just pay for women.
	Oh, okay.
	So I think it's just my bias.
	I don't understand.
	So they do they have it coming or don't they have it coming?
	They're for sure not coming now.
	Well, yeah, like the right thing to say is no, yes.
	Okay, but is that what you believe?
	No, no, so you do think they have it coming, even if they're delusional.
	So I just want to let you know there's some entailments there that you should know, right?
	That means that if there was a woman who was delusional, let's say, was disconnected from reality, if a man took advantage of her from for sex, what would your objection then be?
	Consequence or objection.
	It's just biased, right?
	It's just like, no, I don't like agree with that, but oh, you don't agree with that.
	So now you have a complete double standard and you're contradicting yourself again, right?
	But who doesn't have a double standard?
	So many people don't have a double standard when it comes to, or many people don't move into contradiction territory, especially.
	I can understand even if you said I'm hypocritical, I could even deal with that.
	But this is literally just a contradiction in terms.
	It's a contradiction to say it's wrong for you to take advantage of somebody who's delusional.
	It's just okay for me to do it because I want to.
	I don't, like, I don't, I don't understand what you're actually saying here.
	I'm saying, like, those men that are delusional and paying for women, like, it's okay to take advantage of them.
	But what I'm not, what I'm saying, what I'm saying, though, is like for women, like for a man to take advantage of a woman or vice versa in like the dating realm, I don't think it's right.
	So, like, oh, because it can be vice versa.
	Like, a woman can take advantage of a man too.
	Let's hang on, let's back up again.
	In what fucking world could that ever make sense?
	In what world does it make sense to say it's okay to take care to take advantage of delusional men for money, but it's not okay for men to take advantage of delusional women for sex.
	And what fucking world can you square these two ideas?
	Well, they have the money to spend anyway, so she has the sex to give, anyways.
	Yeah, but it's more like, well, not for every woman, but like someone that would consider that like it's like every single thing that you say, everything, every single thing you say can just be applied right back at you, right?
	It's like, oh, well, they have the money to burn.
	Well, women have the sex to give.
	Oh, well, they knew what they were getting into.
	Okay, well, then they knew what they were getting into.
	It's like all of these things can be applied in both aspects.
	So either it's wrong, you did wrong, and you took advantage of delusional people, and that's incorrect, or you have to bite the bullet that, wait, it's just okay to take advantage of delusional people if you have some motivation that's self-serving.
	So I just really need to know which one it is.
	Graffiti Totakt donated $200 for a service, have a verbal agreement, and the customer then pays for that service.
	You now admit you never intended to fully provide the service offered.
	That's the definition of a scam.
	But I don't want to be derailed by this because it's worse.
	It's actually worse.
	It's worse.
	Because it's a contradiction in terms where you are saying actually that delusional men have less value than delusional women.
	That's what you're actually saying.
	Delusional men, less valuable than delusional women.
	Right?
	Isn't that what you're actually saying?
	I guess, in a way.
	But then, if she was a man and then doing it, it would be like the same thing.
	It'd be contradicting.
	She can't really give the standpoint of a male if she's not in that position.
	So she can say, like, oh, it's delusional for a man to do that.
	But, like, she can't say it's delusional for a woman because it's not like she's getting paid from women to do it.
	If it was a woman, we don't need her to.
	We don't need her to take it from the.
	Well, you're correct in a sense.
	I don't need her to take it from a female perspective.
	I need her to take it from a male perspective, right?
	So the ask here is: from your perspective, that of the woman, is it okay for men to take advantage of delusional women for sex?
	The answer is no.
	Then how could it be okay to take advantage of delusional men for money?
	The answer is I don't fucking know.
	So that's why I'm just like, well, can you reconcile these two things so they make sense to me?
	Like, it's money.
	Like, it's different, right?
	So, well, in my opinion, right?
	It's like, it's not like I'm making them spend millions, right?
	I'm not making them go broke.
	When a woman, like, when a man lies to a woman to get her into bed, like, I feel like they're messing with her money.
	Huh?
	Versus lying to him for money?
	Correct, yes.
	I think it's like...
	What is the distinction here?
	I don't understand.
	So when a man lies to a woman to get her into bed and like makes her think like she's like the only one or et cetera, it's like, that's like feelings, emotions, and trauma.
	A guy that I take money from is not going to be traumatized at the end of the day.
	Because they know what they signed up for, why they signed up for.
	No, wait, wait, wait.
	I'm sorry.
	I'm sorry.
	Hang on.
	That's what I was meaning by all that.
	First of all, we have a bunch of suppositions here that need to be attacked, right?
	So the first one is, how can you say that this would always come from trauma if a man is taking care or a man is exploiting a delusional woman for sex?
	You could never make the claim that that is traumatic while at the same time saying that it could never be traumatic for a man to be exploited for money.
	How in the world could you ever make those claims?
	Because how would a man be traumatized for losing $200?
	Because they feel like they were taken advantage of the same way a woman would if you lied to her for sex, right?
	No.
	No, oh no, no.
	Well, can you give me the counter to that besides no?
	You have a different perspective?
	Well, yeah, so.
	No, no, no.
	No, let's not get into your perspective.
	Let's finish our conversation.
	So I'm not going to let you duck out of the convo so quickly, unfortunately, for you.
	So can you reconcile these two positions for me?
	I thought I explained myself already.
	No, I think you didn't really explain yourself at all.
	I want to know why it's okay to take care of or to take advantage of delusional men, but not delusional women.
	actually do want to know why that's okay i explained it because like taking money from a guy where it's like little money like i don't see that being traumatizing especially since they what about a little bit ahead If a woman just gives you a little bit ahead?
	If she just gives you a little tiny, like she just puts the dick in her mouth for a couple of seconds, right?
	Is that, you know, that's not really taking that much advantage of her, right?
	She just, she only put it in her mouth for a couple of seconds, right?
	Or she only has sex one time with the guy in sex.
	It's not really taking advantage, right?
	That's just one time.
	She just looked the tip.
	She just licked the tip.
	It's not really taking advantage, right?
	How does that correlate with $200 for a date?
	Because the exploitation is the same.
	It's the same metric.
	The idea of the same metric is it's okay to fuck this guy over because it's a small amount of money.
	It's like, okay, well, then it's okay to fuck her over because it's just a tiny amount of head.
	Tiny amount of sex.
	Yeah, but it's not a tiny amount.
	But it's not realistic.
	Yeah, it is realistic.
	Men take advantage of delusional women for sex.
	You would agree that that's true.
	Women are taking advantage of delusional.
	Women are taking advantage of delusional men for money.
	How is this not correlated in the dating market, especially since you just got done telling me all the different times you took advantage of men you consider to be delusional for money?
	How is this not correlative?
	Because they just don't correlate with each other.
	Because.
	Well, they're not because they're not.
	Great.
	Perfect.
	You helped me reconcile the two positions.
	Thank you so much.
	But wouldn't you say, though, Andrew, that both parties are to blame in that?
	Or wouldn't you kind of hold both parties accountable for that?
	Because I feel like they're both kind of the same on the same level.
	I feel like I think that you, you, as a person who is not a mentally deranged lunatic, and knowing that you're not a mentally deranged lunatic and are dealing with a mentally deranged lunatic, have a higher duty to not do the wrong thing, specifically because you're not mentally deranged.
	When you acknowledge the fact, you acknowledge this, this is delusion, this is wrong, this is incorrect, they have wrong think, they're not engaging with the world properly, you know for sure that you're taking advantage of that person.
	That's where the problem comes in, right?
	So I don't know any of you.
	I know that I know now for like for sure that the woman that I just talked to in the orange is totally delusional, right?
	Just like incomprehensibly delusional.
	So I know that it's no longer responsible for me to continuously harp on the idea that she's living in all sorts of performative contradictions because it's clear that she's not living in the same reality that I am.
	So I just move the conversation on, right?
	Because what else can I do when you're dealing with somebody who's delusional?
	What else can you do?
	But I'm definitely not going to be taking advantage of her for money or taking advantage of her for any other thing.
	All I would ever try to do is try to get her to reconcile the contradiction so she wasn't fucking delusional anymore.
	I think that that is the best thing I could ever do, right?
	Like, what else could I do?
	Interesting.
	Stop being fucking delusional.
	Interesting.
	We are going to move on to something else here in just a sec, but it is all your guys' stories on this.
	I do kind of think, comparatively speaking, that women have dating and life on the easy mode compared to men.
	Anybody, any bites on that?
	I agree.
	I totally agree.
	Okay.
	All right.
	It's easy being a girlfriend.
	It's really great.
	People are like, for example, like OF is like such a big thing now because I feel like back then it wasn't.
	And like now, like when you say entertainment, I feel like that's such a big thing now.
	Sorry, OF, what?
	OnlyFans?
	No, I know what it is, but how does that pertain to delusional?
	men pay for that too so it's like yeah they're sims but um I'm curious.
	It's just crazy to me because.
	So going back to you, how much money do you think you've made from that website?
	Not a lot.
	Well, you went on over 100 dates.
	Your price was 200 bucks.
	200 times 100 is 20.
	Is that 20,000?
	My fucking math.
	2,000.
	No.
	No, am I wrong?
	Oh, shit.
	It's 20,000.
	Oh, yeah.
	Just 20,000.
	Oops.
	I was thinking something else.
	20,000.
	Not good.
	It's like this was over the course of a year?
	Okay.
	That's like total poverty.
	Well, yeah, but it wasn't your only source of income.
	How do you know that?
	Well, maybe it was, but I mean.
	You said it was like a second job.
	Contradicted.
	It was like a second job.
	Yeah.
	But what's interesting to me is like, who, any girls here have adult brothers?
	Yes.
	Damn.
	Yeah.
	Only check.
	That's it.
	Wait, adult brothers?
	Adult brothers.
	Like older brothers?
	18 or over.
	Okay, yes.
	Like, so your brothers would be kind of like, to some degree, your, at least approaching or close to your looks equivalent, right?
	And it's like the sort of attention that you're going to get from men completely dwarves the attention that your brothers are going to get from women.
	That's always an interesting thing to me is like you can take a girl who's who like has Insane sexual optionality.
	She can make money through her looks or whatever.
	And like you look at her brother, who is her genetic counterpart in a male's body, and they are like, can't get a girlfriend.
	It's crazy.
	Like, you look at it, it's just wild to me, kind of the differentials here between men and women, even looking like within their own genetic, you know, genetic similarity when it comes to a brother.
	So you have a sister?
	I do, yeah.
	So, like, what would she, what would you do if, like, she did that?
	Like, do you find it harder to date for yourself than it is for your sister?
	I mean, me and my sister are very different people.
	I would suspect, though, for example, if my sister was inclined to have a bunch of casual sex, she could get it way easier than I could.
	And why do you think that is?
	Because she's a woman.
	Do you think it's just like the womanly part?
	Do you think it comes with like personality?
	Do you think your sister is more like fun than you are?
	Do you think personality has anything to do with a woman's ability to get laid?
	Yeah, I do think so.
	I think confidence is a big one.
	Personality, if you look like sad and like depressed and like boring, like you probably won't be approachable as a girl that's like fine and like blah blah blah, you know?
	Yeah, that's sure.
	I mean, a woman who's got a more approachable and who's got a more positive disposition.
	I'll grant you that she'll be able to sleep with 10 men in a day instead of five men in the day.
	But it doesn't really, you know, like you can still get laid very easily as a woman.
	Is it because men have like lower standards than women?
	That's part of it.
	Also, men have to be the pursuers, but you think that it's, do you think it'd be pretty equal between men and women when it comes to getting laid?
	Getting laid specifically?
	Yeah.
	Having sex.
	I don't know because like for girls, it's not a thing to like pay for sex, but a guy would pay for sex.
	Like let's say you want to bring a prostitution.
	Like it's more prone or statistically proven that a man is more likely to pay for prostitution than a female is, right?
	Because it says what you're saying, like girls are easier to get laid.
	Okay, yes, but I wouldn't say that it's dependent on like a male or a female.
	Like I think that like it's just at this point girls just probably have it a lot easier because like of the things all around.
	But wait, I'm a little confused here.
	So are you agreeing or disagreeing?
	I totally said that I agree.
	I agree.
	I agree with you.
	100%.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Men just need to have higher standards.
	And then women wouldn't.
	Wait, no, no.
	But if men.
	Hold on.
	So if men had higher standards, it would be harder for them to get laid.
	But you said that you agree with men having lower standards.
	No.
	Sure.
	Well, the only reason women get laid is because men have lower standards, right?
	No, that's not true.
	So what are the standards for men if you like thinking of a realm of like it's not because of that?
	It is true that men do have lower standards.
	And it is also true that women have a much easier time getting laid than that.
	But why do women have an easier time?
	Why?
	Why?
	Because men want to have sex with them.
	Because why are they?
	What's really funny is like, okay, fair enough.
	You can say men should raise their standards on women before they have sex with them.
	I agree.
	I think that they should.
	But shouldn't women lower their standards when it comes to marriage and long-term relationships if men so they don't end up being fucking cat ladies, which so many are ending up being in their 40s or ending up being cat ladies.
	What do you think?
	34-year-old ladies.
	I have two cats.
	I love that.
	What do you have against cat ladies?
	Well, seemingly, at least this is the perspective that I see, is that these cat ladies, and I'm guessing that you have multiple cats.
	I have two.
	Is that correct?
	Yeah, what are their cats names?
	My cats' names, Reggie and Wills.
	Reggie.
	So you gave them people names.
	You gave them people names.
	Nice, strong Englishman names.
	You didn't even give them animal names.
	You gave them person names, right?
	And so this kind of actually shows the void, right?
	The void of the idea of no children.
	So I make these like fur babies and I give them people names and then I anthropomorphize them into people like Disney does with Bambi, right?
	Now the deer can talk and it's like a person.
	Women do this all the time, but ultimately they seem to complain incessantly about it by the time they're in their late 30s and 40s when they go, oh shit, I don't have children and can no longer have children.
	What the fuck do I do?
	And you know what the answer is?
	Play with your thing you can do.
	It's done.
	Play with the cat.
	You got to read a couple chats.
	Go ahead.
	As a 66-year-old man, it gives me some hope that you do what you do, Brian.
	Remind me of my son.
	Well, thank you, man.
	Andrew, always a pleasure to see you in debates.
	It's great to see young men bring forth facts and truth.
	Hey, old man, Mr. Peace.
	I think this is your first time sending in the message.
	Really appreciate the message.
	I'm glad to remind you of your son.
	That's kind of wholesome.
	And the money.
	Thank you.
	Appreciate it.
	No, it's not a scam because they get exactly, they know exactly what they're paying for.
	And they receive what they're paying for.
	Oh, like, what's your price?
	So, prostitution is okay.
	It's not the same.
	Because they know what they're paying for.
	So if you pay for a blow job, that's okay.
	I'm sorry.
	Hang on.
	Let's back up.
	Did Brian describe his audience as delusional?
	No.
	Did you describe your Johns as delusional?
	Yes.
	Do you understand the distinction?
	You described these men as being delusional.
	So you knew that they were not right in the head.
	Did Brian describe his audience as being delusional?
	No.
	These things do not map on at all.
	In fact, I even describe my audience as they're absolutely 300 IQ, impervious to any sort of hoodwink or scam or razzle dazzle, impervious to it.
	They're all GigaChad, super intelligent, rockets surgeons.
	Except Giovanni.
	Yeah, he's an attorney.
	Go ahead, Maddie.
	He's a real piece of shit, that Giovanni guy.
	Don't send any more fucking super.
	Giovanni, you're just scum.
	You're just the worst.
	Go ahead, Maddie.
	I would like them to steal their money.
	So funny and cute, Teehee.
	Oh, but the one was married, so I contributed to his infidelity, Teehee.
	Literally, a foul demon.
	Foul demon.
	You foul demon.
	It was not demonic, not the mirror.
	All right.
	And then, Maddie, this one.
	I have a question for Andrew.
	I'm 17.
	I'm from Australia.
	And what does the Orthodox say about smoking weed?
	Because I'm thinking about putting him on self to Christ, but I don't know allow weed.
	Huh?
	Really?
	Yeah, you're going to risk eternal damnation so you can smoke marijuana.
	That's kind of stupid on the outset, right?
	But there are exceptions which are made within the church, I'm told, for people who use marijuana for certain purposes, especially medical purposes.
	But genuinely, it tends to be frowned upon by the church.
	And why wouldn't it be?
	But this idea that, like, well, I have to have my weed or else I'm not going to enter into eternal salvation.
	It's like, well, then don't, dude.
	I don't care.
	Go to hell then, as they say.
	All right, we have a question from Stiffler.
	Ask everyone to rate their looks on a scale of one to ten.
	You can't pick seven.
	I'm going to start with you.
	What's my name?
	Liz, I think.
	Yeah.
	It is, Liz Brian.
	Okay.
	Thank you.
	You're welcome.
	Looks just like physically.
	So if you were to see me, how would I see myself?
	I would say like a nine.
	Okay.
	All right.
	To you then?
	Let's get some of these.
	I'm going to, I'll get you all, but.
	Dearest.
	I'll go by the number that most people give me, eight.
	Eight?
	Okay.
	Or nine.
	Oh, wait, let's go to you.
	I would say eight.
	I mean, yeah.
	Okay.
	Like a six.
	What?
	Six.
	I don't think that's a bad number.
	Into the mic.
	Oh, you're beautiful.
	Six.
	Okay.
	Under these lights, I look tasty.
	I would say, you can't.
	Why can't you say seven?
	Don't pick seven.
	Why not?
	Everyone picks seven.
	Okay.
	Eight point five.
	Final answer.
	Eight?
	Yes.
	Okay, Maddie.
	People are humbling me, so I'm going to say six now.
	No way.
	Was it from the IRL?
	Brian, what would you see yours?
	I've been getting so many DMs like, Maddie, you're definitely not a DM.
	No, some of the other.
	They were like, you're like the most non-catfish person.
	Like, I think I saw it, like, I was like, who's Maddie?
	And then like you said, Maddie.
	I was like, go get her.
	That's nice.
	I give myself a five.
	Although I'm kind of, I feel like I got to downgrade a little bit.
	I'm going to give myself a 4.5.
	Because of us.
	I'm a 4.5 right now.
	You were a six last year.
	I gained some weight, so definitely downgrade it.
	Andrew, what do you rate yourself?
	3.5 without a beard.
	3.5.
	Okay, downgrade.
	We're all downgrading.
	I like the beard.
	3.5 with the green.
	A solid 4.
	Okay, there you have it.
	There you have it.
	So, wait, 9, 8.
	8?
	Okay.
	Damn, don't humble me.
	Wait, so you gave yourself the highest rating?
	Do you think you're the most attractive girl here at the table?
	No, 100%.
	I don't think that I am.
	Would you say that that's insecurity?
	Actually, no, because I'm not here to compare, but I do think highly of myself, and I would say that I consider myself a nine.
	And that's just what I'm saying.
	I think that people who think highly of themselves when that thinking of them thinking highly of themselves isn't warranted.
	Would that be considered narcissism or possibly insecurity?
	Oh my God.
	Probably, but I don't.
	I mean, he just asked, what do I view myself as?
	And that's what I view myself as.
	Wait, wait, I'm sorry.
	Are you the most beautiful woman at the table?
	Don't compare yourself.
	I mean, from your perspective, are you the most beautiful woman at the table?
	I think we're all equally beautiful.
	That's not even possible.
	Erroneous.
	Erroneous.
	How could it even be possible to state that you guys, literally all of you, are night and day in looks from each other?
	You look completely different.
	You have different facial shapes, different body shapes, different shapes across the board.
	How is that even possible to say?
	It's like saying squares and triangles in circles are all the same thing.
	It makes no sense at all.
	Right, but you're thinking, you're asking for now my opinion on how I think.
	Your actual opinion.
	Your real opinion, not your bull.
	Don't bullshit me.
	I'm not bullshitting you.
	I'm just saying I think that I'm a fucking nine, and I do think that these women are beautiful.
	When she said she was a fucking five or six, and I'm like, damn, you could have gave her something.
	This is like the most beautiful women on planet Earth.
	Come to the whatever podcast.
	They're just all gorgeous, all of them, every single one.
	I'm sorry, are you asking me?
	Talent recruiter, nobody.
	Yeah, is it just so happened?
	Victorious.
	That since almost every woman on whatever podcast rates themselves close to a nine or a ten, that Brian just so happens to be a recruitment genius who only finds the most beautiful women on planet Earth to come to his podcast.
	Is that what you actually think?
	I don't think so.
	I think he like there's obviously it's this podcast is for like you know for content purposes.
	Like you want to get a range of everything and I don't think there is like a dislike if you see a hard one or two are you gonna bring her on the show?
	Yeah, of course.
	That's what I'm saying.
	So you bring up everything.
	There's no like there's no hang on hang on.
	That's a great point.
	Andrew, are you being sarcastic?
	Hard one.
	What if the hard one or two rates themselves a 10?
	Are they?
	Then that's what you see yourself as.
	Yeah, but is it true?
	I don't know.
	I haven't seen a fucking one or two.
	Can you bring it up?
	I'm sorry.
	You didn't even give yourself a five.
	I wouldn't have given you five.
	You just said that there are ones and twos.
	This means that you inside of your head can categorize what a one or a two is.
	So if that is true of how you see yourself.
	So Andrew, what I'm saying is if you're not afraid of the money.
	No, forget about how you see yourself.
	I'm asking how you see them.
	Not how you see fucking you.
	I don't care how you see you.
	I'm asking how you see them.
	I wouldn't fucking know.
	There is no one or twos at this fucking table.
	I didn't ask you if there's a one or two at the table.
	asked you if you're the prettiest girl at the table by how you see them.
	That was crazy.
	I think that like it's like so interracial.
	You know what I'm saying?
	They also look so different.
	Like you guys all look so different and like fucking fine.
	Like I'm not bisexual or anything, but I think you guys are like a 10.
	I don't even know what a tech is.
	You were reiterating all of my friends.
	They're all different races.
	They're all different shapes.
	They're all different sizes.
	Perfect.
	So from your perspective, your worldview, you, the person who is you, are you the prettiest girl at the table or not?
	To say anything.
	Not applicable.
	I'm like, look, we can like agree to disagree, but no, I'm like, okay.
	Okay, fine.
	Do you want my answer?
	Do you want my answer, Andrew?
	Yeah, but I wanted the answer to the question I asked.
	And the question I asked you.
	Do you think you're the prettiest girl at the table?
	I'm going to ask the question again.
	And then you can go off on your crazy ass diatribe that has nothing to do with the question I asked.
	Office, get away from it.
	Pretend like you didn't hear it.
	Lie your fucking ass off, but I'm going to ask it one more time.
	Are you the prettiest girl at the table?
	Now fucking lie to me.
	No.
	Okay, then who is?
	Oh, that's a good question.
	I'm going to go around.
	I can't really go for that.
	I don't have an answer for that.
	You just know that you're not it?
	I know that there's a lot of beautiful women here, and I've judge that you're not the prettiest one there, but you can't judge me.
	I think that's the prettiest one.
	I look at myself in the mirror every day, but I wouldn't say, like, you wanted my answer?
	That's my answer.
	I said no.
	Yeah, I agree with you.
	No, fine, sure.
	I agree with you from your perspective.
	No, you're not.
	You agree with me that I'm not the cutest one at the moment?
	Hang on, if you can judge all of the qualities that make it so that you're not the prettiest girl at the table, then you should be able to judge all the qualities of what makes the woman at the table who is the prettiest the prettiest.
	So you don't have to answer that if you don't want to.
	I mean, I don't because I'm like, well, fuck.
	If there were guys around the table, I'd be like, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	But there's like girls.
	So yeah, if you're a girl's girl, you're not going to say, like, oh my God, like, she is prettiest.
	No, I wasn't going to say that.
	The fucking baby.
	So, so, hang on.
	I was going to say this.
	Back up real quick.
	If you can judge, I'm not the prettiest girl at the table, then you have some metric that you're using that makes you think that there's other girls there who are prettier than you.
	All I'm asking is for you to apply that same metric and tell me which one you think is the prettiest.
	I do would say, like, that's why I probably don't have a definite answer.
	And I like the way that you're like, you know, making me think about it in depthly.
	And I makes me want to change my answer because if I say no, you're making me pinpoint to a point of like figuring out who is the cutest then or prettiest, whatever you say it.
	Then I would take it back and I'd be like, you know what?
	I am the prettiest at the fucking table.
	Now I want to show you something.
	I want to show you something.
	Can you tell me who the top two prettiest are?
	It's a trap.
	I mean, no, I still, my answer remains the same.
	You the top, hang on.
	Can you tell me who the top three are?
	No.
	Top four?
	No.
	You can't tell me who any girls are.
	You're going to insult someone.
	No, and I'm not here to like try to insult or not insult them.
	I'm going to keep it.
	I'm going to ask you this last question.
	I just want to ask you this last question.
	Can you tell me who the top six prettiest are?
	One, two, three, four, five, six, seven.
	You're going to insult someone.
	No.
	You can't.
	Hang on, hang on.
	But if that's true, then how can you say that you're not the prettiest then?
	Well, that's what I just literally said: that you make me think about my answer when you can't, like, okay, it's contradicting.
	You can't pick somebody.
	It's contradicting.
	It makes no fucking sense.
	So what I am saying is.
	I just give you six options.
	You're the seventh.
	And you can't tell me any of the girls who are prettier than you, but you're not the prettiest girl who's there.
	But you realize how fucking insane that sounds to me.
	It sounds like the ultimate cope, the ultimate fucking nonsensical cope, right?
	Makes no fucking sense.
	Can you can you please make this make sense?
	But look, at the end of the day, I told you.
	Okay, you're right.
	And you can do that.
	Hold on, Brian.
	Hold that tit.
	And what I'm saying is, I'm only saying, okay, you made me think about my answer, and I'm going to rephrase myself.
	Yes, I do think I'm the prettiest one at this table because that's how I see myself.
	So you can disregard everything else you say because I'm changing my answer because you made me think about it.
	So thank you, Andrew.
	Like, okay, I don't have somebody to pick.
	But if I can pin it point now, I see myself as a nine.
	You can ask me who's the prettiest one at the table.
	I'm the prettiest one on the table.
	Rape me.
	Rape me.
	Rape you?
	No, rape.
	Oh, Nayo Puff.
	Rape me.
	I'm sorry.
	Rate.
	Rate me.
	I'm taking my drink.
	A seven.
	So if we were dating, you would be settling.
	Whoa.
	Hold on.
	Where did that come from?
	You're a nine.
	You're a nine.
	Well, what is your settling?
	Well, what do you mean?
	I'm settling.
	I never once said that's how I see myself.
	Right.
	That's not myself.
	I see somebody else.
	Yeah, that's totally fine.
	That is totally fine that you see yourself as a nine, but you see me as a seven.
	So if we were dating, you would be settling for me.
	No, there wouldn't be settling because there'd be prior conversations.
	And why, like, what do you mean?
	Like, we're sitting down.
	Okay, I think you're a seven.
	But you said, if we were dating, I wouldn't fucking know because we've never dated or we never like, you know what I mean?
	I can't put myself in that position.
	Well, let's try this a different way.
	Let's just see if you and I can actually level with each other.
	If we just level with each other.
	So let's say you and I are in that podcast.
	The podcast is done.
	Everybody has left.
	We're just sitting there.
	We're having some chit chat.
	And I was like, what the fuck are you talking about when it came to this rating shit?
	Makes no sense.
	Clearly, you judged every woman at the fucking table when you sat down and they judged you too.
	And you know, it's true.
	We all fucking know it's true.
	Why wouldn't you just give an honest answer?
	Isn't the truth that the reason that you're having so much trouble giving an honest answer to this is just because you don't want to hurt anybody's feelings?
	Yes.
	Isn't that really what's true?
	No, I'm not even thinking that deep about it.
	I mean, but I mean, do you have an opinion about it?
	Because fuck, you want to contradict me, but no.
	I don't want to.
	I'm not hurting anybody's feelings.
	All I'm saying is fucking no.
	I don't think that.
	And that's just how I am.
	You can think that I'm lying, but I'm not.
	I do.
	I think that you purposely don't want to hurt anybody's feelings.
	And so you feel like if you single somebody out and say they're the prettiest, it's going to hurt everybody else's feelings there.
	And so you refuse to do it.
	I literally think that that is what's going on right this second.
	Can you tell me with a straight face, look at me directly in the eyes and say, Andrew, that is definitely not what's going on.
	The truth is that you're not going to be able to do that.
	There is definitely not that going on.
	If there were, I would have been like, because, Andrew, the reason I'm doing it, Andrew, is because this is what I really think.
	Go ahead.
	This is what I really think.
	There's no fucking ugly girls at this table.
	And I even like foresaw it, because don't get me wrong, I've seen a couple videos of you guys trying to like if there's any ugly women at the table.
	That's not what I asked you.
	What did I ask you?
	If I'm the prettiest at the table, I asked you, who's the prettiest?
	Is it you?
	You said no, so who the fuck is it?
	Um, rephrase, I definitely rephrase myself to being a yes.
	So you ran back twice.
	So what makes you a single?
	What makes you the prettiest?
	What makes you the prettiest?
	I fucking just said the nine.
	That's how I see myself.
	Like, that's what I'm saying.
	That doesn't fucking mean anything.
	I see myself as the king of France.
	Am I the fucking king of France?
	No, but if that's how you see yourself, then you lose the way.
	I see myself as the God Emperor of all that I survey.
	I am the God Emperor of the whatever podcast.
	I am the God Emperor of Santa Barbara.
	Is that true?
	That's how you see yourself.
	Oh, so then it's true.
	As long as I see myself as the God Emperor of Santa Barbara, therefore I am.
	It's your opinion.
	No, no, well, don't shut down.
	Don't be a brat.
	Oh, shut down, brat.
	That's being brat in shutting down.
	Is it true that I am the God Emperor of Santa Barbara if I see myself as that?
	Is that true?
	I think she's the fucking prettiest.
	Like what they said.
	Nick Room die.
	Like anything to avoid answering any question.
	Can you just answer my question?
	Is it true that if I say I'm the God Emperor of Santa Barbara, then I am?
	Yes.
	No.
	Oh, okay.
	All right.
	Because that's something that you say.
	Is it fact?
	So then it's true.
	100% it's not.
	Whatever you say, you're entitled to your opinion, but that doesn't mean it's true.
	Like, it doesn't mean it's true.
	You're entitled to your opinion, but it doesn't mean that.
	So if I think that I'm a nine and you don't think that it's true, then that's fine, but I think that I'm a nine.
	The question referred to is how you see yourself.
	What would you rate yourself?
	Break it down, dissect it.
	That's what it fucking means.
	That's what we're doing right now.
	We're breaking it down and dissecting it.
	And so that we're asking you: if you're a nine and nobody else is writing themselves as a nine, are you fucking delusional?
	That's what the rating system is.
	Am I fucking delusional?
	Let's ask the fucking table.
	Am I fucking delusional for thinking that I'm a fucking nine?
	The table, like you, is gonna fucking lie and say that you're not, even though we've just established that almost everybody here will lie to not hurt somebody else's feelings.
	So let me ask the table then, just to humor you, is she a nine?
	Raise your hand if she's a nine.
	Go ahead.
	Lie to me.
	So you want a hand raise or you want to go one by one?
	Yeah, one by one.
	I don't think you're a nine.
	I don't think that's bad.
	It's not a bad thing.
	Right.
	I mean, we didn't ask how bad or good it is.
	He's just asking, like, do you think I'm a nine or not?
	No.
	Okay.
	I don't.
	I don't know.
	Hurt my fucking feelings.
	She's like, suddenly, the way that I rate all other human beings that I engage with has suddenly fled from me.
	I no longer have any idea of what beauty means or my standards for beauty.
	Suddenly, all of my stature for everything I think has flown out the window.
	Okay, next.
	I don't think it's wrong to not want to hurt people's feelings, first of all.
	But if we're doing a physical analysis based on my standards of beauty, I would not rate you a nine.
	I think you have a very pretty face.
	Face is crazy.
	Face card palette?
	That doesn't actually answer the question.
	No, I said that.
	Is she by her standards?
	By my Diddell Beauty standards, I would not rate her a nine.
	That's just my question.
	Great.
	What's your rate her?
	We're going on.
	Okay.
	Hang on, let her answer.
	I'm not interested in dating women, so.
	Fuck, that's what I'm saying.
	You can either pay on a man and a woman.
	Wait, wait, hang on.
	I'm so confused.
	She's not a nine, but you don't know how to rate women.
	That's super.
	No, I didn't say I don't know how to rate women.
	I just said I'm not interested in her dating woman.
	So what is the point?
	What is her rating?
	I think it's mean to do this.
	Oh, it's mean.
	Be mean.
	It's okay.
	I can swallow a hard time.
	So then, wait.
	So then Andrew Wilson was right.
	And you won't give a real answer because you don't want to hurt anybody.
	But that's her holiday.
	But what's going on?
	I'm willing to accept that.
	But what's wrong with not wanting to hurt anybody's feelings?
	I didn't say there's anything wrong, but I just want to be fucking honest about it.
	I just want you to be honest.
	I just want the honesty that I will literally fucking lie in order to not hurt feelings.
	That's all I'm asking for.
	I'm not lying.
	I'm not going to pump her up and say that she's something that I don't think she is, but I also don't think it's necessary to tell her what you do think she is.
	Yeah, you don't think it's necessary to answer the question in an honest way because you think it'll hurt their feelings.
	All you have to do is say, I'm willing to lie to not hurt feelings, and that's fine.
	I'm willing to accept her.
	I'm making up an answer.
	I'm saying I'm not going to answer because I don't want to knock anybody down.
	So you're proving his point on your perspective.
	Yeah, totally proving his point.
	She's proving your fucking point.
	Yes.
	No.
	No.
	Yes.
	Yes.
	I'm also going to prove your point, Andrew.
	I don't feel comfortable talking about other girls' appearances, so I'm not going to comment on it.
	Just like that.
	Now you guys all see.
	Now you understand.
	You understand that all of you will fucking lie in order to spare the feelings of the girl next to you, even though everybody who's watching this, including everybody sitting at the table, knows that this is not true.
	You're just unwilling to say what is true.
	You're afraid it's going to hurt somebody's feelings.
	I don't think there's anything wrong with not wanting to hurt feelings to an extreme, though.
	I don't feel, I know, but I just don't feel that it's necessary.
	But I get, I understand.
	That's great how you feel.
	I love it.
	Yeah, I know.
	How you feel matters more to me than anything else on the planet.
	I'm glad you feel that.
	I know, me too.
	Thanks.
	We're going to read it.
	We're going to read a couple chats.
	Maddie, can you read these?
	Just remember, guys, the higher you go, the more delusional you are.
	This is a delusional scale here.
	Brian and Andrew are too modest with themselves.
	I rate both Brian and Andrew a solid six.
	Appreciate it.
	Thank you.
	I did say seven.
	So you want to do that.
	Appreciate it.
	Thank you.
	We have who cares?
	Thank you, man.
	We have Old Man Maureen here.
	Thank you, man.
	Right to left.
	Six, five, six, five, four, seven, five, seven.
	Morgan is a nine.
	My personal eyebrow rating, Maddie, good for you.
	On claiming a six, stay humble.
	It's way more attractive than saying nine or ten.
	Hey, Old Man Maureen, thank you for the message, man.
	Really appreciate it.
	Thank you.
	Giovanni.
	Thank you, man.
	If you're a nine, why is your dress above your belly button?
	Every other chick on the podcast has their pants/slash skirt below their belly button.
	Explain why it's so high and call yourself a nine.
	Delusional.
	It's above the belly button.
	I don't get it.
	Now, I just wanted to very quickly point out before Brian moves the topic.
	I'm not really trying to beat you guys up.
	I'm just trying to show you something which is important from the male perspective that people miss out on all the time.
	All right.
	Men don't have the luxury of lying to each other all the fucking time.
	We don't have the luxury of this ever.
	And we're constantly brutal with each other because we have to, because men compete within a hierarchy.
	Women don't have to compete within a hierarchy.
	They only compete with each other individually.
	And so what happens is when I hear this kind of over and over, every single panel, right?
	Just the complete and total lack of honor.
	And then when I drill down, we find out: listen, the reason nobody really wants to tell the truth is because they're afraid it's going to hurt somebody else's feelings.
	I can even understand that.
	I can rationalize it.
	I just wish that more of you would be honest about it.
	That's all.
	I'm really honest with my girlfriends who ask.
	One of my friends recently gained some weight, and she said all of her other friends were telling that she looks fine.
	And she asked me my opinion, and I said, Yeah, it looks like you've gained weight.
	And she was like, Thank you so much.
	Now I'm going to work out and do something about it.
	Listen to the caveat.
	Listen to the caveat here.
	The caveat is: if somebody comes to me for criticism, constructive criticism, I'll give it to them because that is being nice.
	Yeah.
	That is being nice.
	That's not how men operate.
	How men operate is like this.
	You fucked that whole thing up.
	You fucked that machine up.
	You don't know how to use a wrench.
	You're a fucking idiot.
	Get off the line, you fucking dumb fuck.
	What the hell were you thinking?
	That's how they correct each other.
	They correct each other by saying, you suck, you're shit, you're garbage, get better.
	And then when you're better, they give you compliments, but they're so rare that when you get one, you know you earned it.
	And so the thing is, is like, I just want to point out this kind of stark contrast and why that relates to dating is because this contrast exists where men seem to be able to be far more honest with each other, women far less honest with each other.
	That's all.
	Have you guys done this with men?
	I have.
	We ranked ourselves, but uh just you two or I'm just gonna do an analysis here of the ratings.
	Do you have is that the DBZ?
	Is that the DBC?
	It's a scouter.
	It's a scouter.
	I was gonna ask that.
	Yeah, y'all were your power, like where you think your power levels are.
	Like you think, you think you're like Vegeta, but y'all are like Krillin.
	That's crazy.
	You know what I mean?
	No.
	You know what I mean?
	Like you think, you think you're Frieza, but you're like Yamcha.
	You think you have a big dick, but it's actually small?
	I am hung like a stud hamster.
	Thank you very much.
	Stud hamster.
	There you go.
	Stud hamster.
	Oh, I have one more thing on this.
	So do you think you will be better looking in 10 years' time?
	No.
	Okay.
	Probably not.
	All right.
	I've gotten better looking with time.
	I look better now than I did at 18, you know?
	So, but in 10 years from now, I'll be 48.
	I do have a girlfriend in her 40s that looks amazing.
	So hopefully I will.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	So better looking at 48 than now?
	No, no.
	I'm going to say this is probably my prime.
	I'm probably peaking right now.
	Are you better looking now than you were at 28 as compared to?
	I think so, yes.
	And then are you better looking now at 38 than you were at 18?
	I would think so, yes.
	And then were you better looking at 28 than you were at 18?
	Yeah, I think so.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Do you have any, it'd be interesting to see like old photos or something.
	I don't know.
	Yeah, I have old photos.
	My phone's up there.
	Yeah.
	Or maybe we could, well, maybe we do an Instagram deep dive.
	Be like, what happened?
	I didn't get Instagram until like 2016.
	Oh, okay.
	Well, better looking in 10 years' time?
	Probably 35.
	I don't know if I have kids with them by not, but.
	I thought you were 26.
	Oh, yeah, 26.
	Sorry, 36.
	I mean, 25.
	26.
	Yeah, whatever.
	30.
	So better than whatever.
	36 than now at 26.
	I mean, I was like better looking than I was 18 for sure.
	So better looking now than at 18.
	Yeah.
	But better looking in 10 years' time?
	I would say, yeah.
	I'd be like in my woman era.
	You know, like womenly grown.
	I don't know if I have kids or not, but yeah, I would, yeah.
	Okay.
	Better looking at 20 years' time.
	So 46 versus 46.
	46 versus 26.
	No.
	Okay.
	Better looking in 10 years' time?
	I feel like I've looked the same since yeah, it's the Asian genetics.
	We don't really change.
	I mean.
	I mean, we do.
	You do.
	Like, you can see the maturity in my face.
	Probably not until we're like 50.
	50s.
	Yeah.
	So maybe when the 50s get me like a truck, then maybe I'll be going down.
	Look, I'll grant that Asian women age well.
	But I can tell a 40-year-old Asian woman versus a 20-year-old Asian woman.
	That's true.
	That's true.
	That's why I said that.
	I'm going to give the cultural dispute that Asian women do not age nearly as well as the stereotype says.
	I'm just going to point this out.
	That oftentimes, in fact, when Asian women get too old, they look like little gross pygmy people running around.
	I'm just pointing this out.
	And this is, by the way, I think that many, many people would actually agree with me on this.
	That this idea, this really hyper-inflated, over-evaluated idea that Asian women just get better with age is just that it's highly over-inflated.
	So who ages more?
	I don't think they get better with it.
	Since we're talking about like no.
	I don't think any women really in any racial group really age very well.
	Even in comparison to each other, I don't think that they do.
	I think that youth is generally valued in all demographics.
	So 25, will you be better looking in 10 years' time?
	I think so, yeah.
	At 35, what about 45?
	No.
	Okay.
	And then Lauren, 34.
	Do you think you'll be better looking in 10 years' time?
	44.
	I don't know if I'll be better looking, but I feel like I'll look about the same.
	I take good care of myself.
	Sunblock and fitness and good food and happy.
	No sucks.
	Happy.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Yes, the virgin skincare.
	Delusional.
	I don't know.
	Do you do like, are you intentionally make yourself look like a vampire or is that just me?
	Yo.
	Yes.
	Like the Voltor.
	Well, you put like the red.
	It's not red, but I know it looks red.
	Like your blood.
	Did I just insult how you actually looked?
	No, no, no.
	But especially under this lighting, I feel like I literally look like a vampire.
	You don't wear any like red eyeshadow?
	It looks red.
	It's more of like a purple.
	I can see the red pack.
	It's got tints.
	We're wearing red as well.
	It kind of like comes out.
	I wasn't really looking at your eyes deep enough.
	Yeah, exactly.
	So wait, better looking in 20 years time?
	20 years?
	Or you said you'd be the same in 10 years.
	The same in 20 years.
	The same in 20.
	I'll be 54.
	54?
	I don't know.
	I mean, who's to say?
	I'm not going to say because I like to set an intention for myself.
	So if you can call me delusional, that's okay.
	I don't know if I'll look, I definitely will look better, but we're just going to keep putting it out there that we're going to look good.
	Are you better looking now at 34 than you were at 24?
	I actually think I am, yes.
	I would say that.
	I do believe that, yes.
	Yeah.
	All right.
	There's the answers to that one.
	Do you think women look better when they're younger?
	Is that like yours?
	Well, actually, I think yes, of course.
	Yeah.
	So, yeah.
	When you're young.
	So, it doesn't change the fact like when, well, 10 years ago for me, it was, I mean, that's not bad.
	But, like, from since I was like 18, we'll keep it at 18, right?
	So, from like 18, like, I would say to even like 22, I was just like fat.
	So, and I just had no looks.
	So, like, me saying, I feel like I'm going to get better.
	Exceptions don't prove the rule.
	We can say, yes, there are some women who were much less good looking when they were younger than when they got older, but that's not going to be a rule which is true across the board, not even close.
	For the most part, the opposite is true.
	You would agree, right?
	Yeah, so it's all else being equal.
	So, if you were healthy your entire life on those standards and you remained in your best shape your entire life, then yes, when you're younger, you look better, correct?
	Yeah, so yeah, do you think you'll look better when you're 10 years old?
	No, no, no.
	How old are you?
	35.
	Oh, damn.
	And I think I was better looking 10 years ago.
	So I think there's some differences between men and women on this one, but generally speaking, I'd say for most people, whether you're a man or woman, as you get older, you become less attractive.
	I disagree, though.
	I feel like men, well, some men age like fine wine.
	I think they look better in their 30s and their 20s.
	Some look good with facial hair, some look good without.
	Well, I mean, there's another differential here.
	Moving off of like what I think is more like talking about objective beauty, there's appraisals of physical attractiveness.
	There's a differential there between men and women.
	So men, as they start getting older, even 20s, 30s, 40s, 50s, 60s, they will continuously, if you pull them, they will continuously say what they think is the most physically attractive.
	Tends to be pretty constant between like it's around like 20 to 22 is what they deem like most physically attractive, even as they get older.
	However, as women get older, their appraisals tend to match up with their own age.
	So they'll say well, the men that I find, or well, maybe one or two years older.
	So if you're uh 33, you'll say, men who are about 35, that's what you find the most attractive physically, uh.
	But so there is a differential there.
	Uh, I think there's a biological, evolutionary reason for this comes down to, uh, why is that funny?
	Is this too, uh?
	Huh, is this too?
	What is it too?
	Uh, what's the word for it?
	Anyways whatever um, but uh, was there another question there?
	No no no, uh.
	Actually there was one man who I think aged like fine wine.
	To be honest, I saw this video.
	I don't know if any of you know this guy, Paul Wall.
	I haven't heard of this guy in nearly 20 years.
	Paul Wall, the white rapper he recently was on tour with, like he did a concert with Megan The Stallion or I don't know who it is, and uh oh, Sexy Red, I think, or was it like.
	I think it was like Glorilla.
	Grow up, he's uh, you know, he's looking good for uh 40 or whatever.
	The fuck he is just looking up.
	Yeah, we can look it up.
	Actually it might be copyright or some shit, but good for Paul Wall.
	Congratulations, I guess.
	Do you guys?
	Do you guys even know who that is?
	What's his song?
	Hold on, let me i'll wrap it for you guys.
	Paul Wall.
	What's his song?
	Sit insideways, he's in a Brookhog song from way back.
	Sit in still tipping, still tipping on faux.
	Wait, that's Mike Jones.
	Hold on no, I know wait, rapping faux.
	But that's a Mike Jones song.
	Back then, back then, hose didn't want me.
	Now I'm hot, hose all along.
	Okay.
	Still tipping on faux faux.
	I'm going to read the lyrics to the song.
	As white as possible.
	Still tipping on faux faux, wrapped in faux vogues, tipping on faux faux.
	Wait, it just repeats.
	What the fuck?
	Hold on.
	I'm still tipping on faux.
	Now look who creeping, look who crawling, still balling in the mix.
	It's that 6'6 long dick.
	Wait, I can't read that word.
	Why do you deny biology and the effects of time?
	If you don't believe you age, you must have been bitten by Lastat's mistress in red.
	Pull up a pic from 18 in the mirror.
	I do want killer of cereal.
	Thank you.
	By the way, I have a quick answer for this question to you, killer of cereal.
	It's called good old-fashioned American cope.
	That's what it is.
	They don't deny it.
	They do everything they can to avoid it.
	They put on hordes of makeup, plastic surgery, everything they can to retain youth while at the same time pretending that youth is in no way important.
	It's the funniest thing that I've ever seen in my life, but it's just pure cope.
	Pure cope.
	Pure cope.
	Cope.
	There's no woman here who would want to be magically aged 10 years older.
	If it had no negative life effects, meaning it didn't hurt you in any way, it didn't hurt you with heart disease.
	There was no disease of any kind.
	Would anybody here, show of hands, actually want to be aged forward by 10 years?
	So that you look 10 years older than you are right now, even though there was no negative health effects, nothing negative towards the longevity of your life.
	Would any of you actually want to do that?
	No way.
	I would like to stay exactly at this age for the rest of my life and look just like this.
	See, I think she looks amazing.
	So like, 10 years ago, basically, you were around like my age.
	So, like, if in 10 years I can look like that, I take that off her.
	Oh, thank you.
	When we were younger, you'd be like, I really wish I was 18 or 20.
	I don't think it was like a physical thing.
	And then when you're older, you like take actually like physicalities.
	So like, yeah, I don't know.
	I don't think so.
	I would be like, I want to be a hard 40.
	Like, no.
	Word?
	Yeah, no.
	Right.
	No woman who ever wants to really look older.
	It is kind of this insane cope where they pretend.
	Oh, well, no, age is just a number.
	Oh, beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
	But then you ask, would you like to be age 10 years?
	Fuck no, I don't want to be aged 10 years older.
	It's like, come on.
	I'm terrified of looking older.
	I'm terrified.
	Like, it really terrifies me.
	Gray hair?
	I don't.
	I don't dying.
	I'm going to get into.
	Or actually, Nick, do we have things to pull up?
	Paul Wall?
	You want to pull up your hair?
	You don't dye your hair?
	You got Paul Wall?
	No, I don't dye my hair.
	Gray hair is not a good one.
	You got Paul Ball?
	I do.
	You got Paul Ball?
	Let's see, Paul Ball.
	Love it.
	Glow up.
	Wait, so on the far right, on the far right.
	He looks just like that.
	That's like young Paul Wall.
	And then where you are.
	And then I'm trying to find like older.
	Wait, scroll down a bit, Nick.
	Wait, wait, okay, okay.
	So look at the far left.
	Brian, that's like young Paul.
	And then the one where he's smiling, three down.
	No, no, no.
	One over.
	One over.
	Here.
	Okay, and then Nick.
	Click far left.
	With the chain going up.
	Yep.
	Literally, Brian with a look, so it's a bit bigger.
	Okay, then scroll down here a little bit.
	No, Here, on the left.
	No.
	Okay, you could just X, I guess.
	Yeah, and then the one where he's smiling, far left.
	Just below it.
	Just below it.
	I think that's a glow-up, dude.
	Yeah.
	Drugs, no drugs.
	That's a glow-up.
	It's a glow-up.
	And he's still got a little glow up.
	He looks healthier.
	Tipping folds.
	Yeah, I feel like it's because he's got an audience.
	Oh, let's do Twitch then do Discord really quick.
	Guys, go to twitch.tv/slash whatever.
	Drop us a follow in the Prime sub if you have on twitch.tv slash whatever.
	Drop us a follow in the Prime sub.
	Guys, there's almost 2,000 people watching on Twitch.
	Thank you guys so much.
	Drop us a follow.
	And if you have a Prime sub available, guys, it's been, let's see, how long has it been?
	Where's the last Prime?
	Two hours ago, boys.
	I think it's bugged.
	Help.
	I think it's bugged.
	There you go.
	Brian's teeny peen, bro.
	How are you gonna, how are you gonna?
	First off, it's average.
	Get it right.
	Secondly, how are you gonna throw me under the bus like that, Brian's teeny peen?
	Thank you for the prime rage ahead.
	Thank you for the prime.
	Appreciate it, guys.
	And then let's do Discord really quick.
	Guys, discord.gg slash whatever.
	If you don't know, me and Maddie, we went out to do an IRL stream on the mean streets of Santa Barbara.
	And we had to take it down.
	We had to take it down.
	We had to delete it because this TWAT, this TWAT in the pink polo here said some very, very, very TOS shit.
	Had to delete the whole stream because of him.
	If you want to see the clip, we can't post it on YouTube.
	We can't even play it on stream now.
	Go to discord.gg slash whatever.
	You got to join.
	You got to join.
	Did you do something so we had to delete it?
	Or like, did they delete it for us?
	They didn't delete it for us.
	I preemptively deleted it just because you got to be careful.
	What?
	You got to be careful out there.
	What's TOS mean?
	It's like terms of service.
	Like someone said or did something that's against, like, put your channel at risk.
	So.
	Talking out shit.
	Yeah.
	So, let me.
	We got to get through.
	What's up?
	What were some?
	Oh, yeah, we got reacts.
	What are the Reacts?
	What do we got?
	What do we have?
	What's the first one?
	Oh, this is going back to Lauren here.
	Lauren, these Reacts are bug boys.
	You got to send in the super chats, boy.
	The Reacts are bug boys.
	They're bugged boys.
	You got to send them in.
	I don't know what's going on.
	Like, YouTube's just, like, being a piece of shit or whatever.
	The federal government.
	Thank you for the prime.
	Okay.
	Lauren, can you read these, please?
	Yes.
	One of the biggest misconceptions about being a virgin in your 30s is that you are religious or saving yourself for a husband.
	But no one really knows what to do with you when you aren't affiliated with any particular religion and don't want to get married.
	LOL.
	The facts are, I believe in a higher power, and that's about as far as it goes.
	I'm humble enough to recognize I don't know everything.
	That doesn't mean I'm going to share my body with any old Joe Schmo, though.
	And being legally bound to someone through marriage is so not my dream.
	But would I do a committed long-term relationship should the right guy come around?
	Yes, yes, I would.
	Stay tuned for part seven in the series.
	And then there's another one, Nick.
	We'll do that one too.
	It's like an Instagram page.
	You want to sign up with me?
	No, you don't have to play it.
	No one higher standards than this.
	No one has higher.
	Say this for us.
	No one has higher standards and thicker skin than a 33-year-old virgin.
	Radical feminists, so patriarchal.
	Ew, red pill bros, expired meat.
	Word.
	But it's true, though.
	It's like, that's, I mean, I get it from both sides.
	You know what I mean?
	No one has higher standards.
	No, I'm going to challenge this, right?
	Absolutely.
	I don't think it's true.
	I think that what you've created is a false dialectic where you're paraphrasing what the position of each is.
	Even though that's not actually the position, I don't think that any red pill bro would give a flying fuck under the sun that you wanted to retain your virginity due to the fact that you're just not attracted or asexual.
	I think instead the pushback you would get probably would be from the quote Christ-pill bros who would just say, well, this isn't being done for the purpose of virtue, but just like due to works, right?
	Yeah, I would say, I mean, I would just say going off of some of the comments from being on this podcast the last time, I would say that a lot of them were that I was expired because I'm in my 30s.
	Although I don't want to have kids.
	And then I would say, in terms of like the other side, with the ladies, maybe like more of the modern day feminists, I feel like I get a lot of that I have internal internalized misogyny, that I'm part of the patriarchy.
	It's like I'm part of the problem.
	So I do feel like I'm getting it from both sides.
	Well, I think that there's a conflation which happened.
	I think that the conflation from the leftist side, the non-patriarchal side, is saying they probably assume that because you're promoting your chastity and virginity, that you are some kind of like right-wing patriarchist.
	And so they're probably strawmanning your actual position.
	I could see that as being true.
	But the red pill version of it, I can't see as being true.
	I don't see why any red pillar on planet Earth would give a shit one way or the other if you retained your chastity based on asexuality.
	Though I do think that an argument could be made from their end that if they're saying expired, they just mean, well, what's the point in keeping the chastity if you get past your 30s and are unable to bear children?
	What would be the point of the allure for a man who wanted children?
	Which I think would be a fair point.
	But yeah.
	Yeah, I mean, I think that's fair enough.
	I think, you know, obviously some guys aren't going to respect it if they want kids, and that's totally fair.
	I've been very open about the fact that I don't want kids, so I don't see the problem in it necessarily.
	But I don't, but I would say, though, I don't think that I have less value as a virgin because I don't want to have kids and don't want to be legal.
	Yeah, well, you would have significantly less value to men.
	Well, that's fair.
	I mean, yeah, men that want that, of course.
	That's that's well, no, no, no.
	I mean, just all, well, most men would be desirous of a virgin because of the paternal aspect of this, right?
	So I think that that would lessen the desirability.
	I understand kind of the play of both sides of hitting both sides, but I don't see how a red pill position, and I'm no red pillar by any means, by the way, but I do understand the position.
	I don't actually see why they would give a shit one way or the other.
	Well, and I think the honestly the criticism from the red pill would be that your standards are too high.
	I think that would be the criticism, not that you're expired.
	But there's standards, right?
	It's just like it's asexuality.
	What standards are we even appealing to?
	Well, I'm not full-blown asexuality.
	I mean, like I said, it's not that I'm asexual necessarily.
	I just am not attracted frequently to people.
	So I guess, yes, you could.
	Yeah, there's a lot of qualifiers going on here, which are really hard to navigate.
	I'm not necessarily, I'm not really, I kind of am, but I'm not.
	There's a lot of like qualifiers to navigate this idea.
	So let's, maybe we can consolidate the idea.
	Okay.
	Asexuality.
	I don't want to have sex with the opposite sex because I don't find sex and sexuality to be particularly appealing.
	And that's where I would not consider myself asexual because it's not that I wouldn't have sex with someone or find it appealing.
	I'm not asking if you would or wouldn't, but generally speaking, you seem to stay away from it because it's not like some, it has no real import to you.
	Sexuality itself is not of great importance to you.
	I want to be try to be as honest as I can.
	I feel like it's not that I don't see the value in it.
	It's not that I don't want to have sex, but I'm not going to just sleep with someone to sleep with someone.
	Does that make sense?
	So if I'm not diverting.
	No, sorry.
	Go ahead, Brian.
	No, I continue, but it's not a problem.
	I'm just saying it feels like that's a real big diversion kind of away from what I'm saying.
	I'm not saying you don't see value in sex.
	I'm not saying you wouldn't have sex.
	I'm saying that your attractive, your attraction to men is almost negligible.
	It's almost not there.
	And you don't find sexuality personally to be of great importance to you or really of any importance to you ultimately.
	I understand what you're saying.
	Yeah, I mean, like I said, the right person, yes.
	I don't really know what to say other than that.
	Wouldn't every asexual person say that?
	I don't think so.
	No, I think that the right person came along, I wouldn't be asexual.
	Actually, like, wouldn't that be kind of the great cope of all asexual people?
	Well, I don't think so.
	It literally goes back to what we were saying.
	Like, if you don't know what it feels like, then technically, like, you would be considered that because you don't know what it'd feel like to be indifferent from that.
	Right, exactly.
	And I also feel that a lot of people who consider themselves asexual are sex averse and know for sure or grossed out by sex and wouldn't want to have sex.
	So I actually don't think that's true.
	It's interesting.
	I've talked to several asexual people, male and female, and the universal that I found between all of them was the idea that if the right person came along, then I would probably break the asexuality, but they just never have.
	That's fair.
	So I just don't really feel much in the way of attraction to people.
	But if I ever did, if suddenly I did find other people attractive, then I would.
	But aren't you just saying kind of the same thing?
	Isn't that really the same thing you're saying?
	I guess.
	Yeah, that makes sense.
	Can we pull the article back up?
	Yeah.
	My awful couch.
	So it says in the article.
	So you're an only child, right?
	Can you scroll down, Nick?
	To kind of keep your own.
	Keep going, keep going.
	Okay, this part, can you read it, Lauren, from here?
	As an only child, Harkins learned early on how to be content on her own and never actively pursued a relationship.
	And while her friends navigated the ups and downs of young love, Harkins, it's funny to call myself Harkins, was dealing with the death of her father, William, who passed away when she was a teenager.
	Harkins now lives primarily off her late dad's trust fund and has enjoyed an action-packed life of travel and adventure, saying sex simply wasn't a priority.
	So, okay.
	Well, this changes the context significantly.
	So, sex for you has never had to be a tool of barter for resource, right?
	So, you've uh, you're essentially a trust fund baby, yes, yeah, okay.
	So, then your interactions are definitely outside of the norm, right?
	Yeah, for sure.
	I don't know how that changes.
	What's the trust fund looking like?
	Well, it's a trust fund.
	Look along yourself.
	I spend a lot of money, so it's what I spend a lot of money, so I don't imagine it'll be a forever thing.
	I mean, my dad wasn't a millionaire, so you know, I'm an only child, but um, he was in the fucking child trust fund.
	He wasn't a millionaire, was not however.
	I would like to comment and say that I am sorry about your father's passing.
	That's awful.
	I wouldn't wish that on anybody.
	That's uh, that's a terrible thing.
	But let's get back to the trust fund baby thing, okay?
	All right.
	Um, so the idea that you've, I mean, how is this not just basically all down to a series of quirks?
	I mean, it basically has to be, right?
	So, you have this great big trust fund, you have no reliance on the opposite sex, you can basically live in your own world free from the externalities of the world because you don't really have to live in it, right?
	I mean, have you even had a job?
	Have you ever really had a job?
	Like a real job?
	Yeah, I mean, I worked in corrections for two years.
	I've done jobs.
	I would say that working in the law enforcement field was the most fulfilling job that I've had.
	Would you date anybody?
	Hang on.
	I just want to clarify a couple things real quick, real quick.
	When you say I worked in corrections for two years, was it a part-time job?
	Yes, it was.
	I've never had a full-time job.
	I thought it might have been.
	Yeah, 100%.
	I thought it might have been.
	But you've never had a job.
	You've never had a full-time job.
	34 never had a full-time job?
	That's crazy.
	Yeah.
	Damn.
	So your interactions with the world are extremely limited, right?
	You've never, I mean, your jobs have either been part-time or just no job, right?
	My interactions with the world are limited to the extent of jobs, yes.
	Not just jobs, but the way that you engage with other people is going to be from an elitist set, right?
	No, not necessarily, no.
	I think necessarily.
	Like, how could you ever really understand the struggles that people go through?
	You've never had to deal with any of them.
	I guess to that, I would just say my friend's circle is varied ages, you know, different economic class.
	So I don't, I'm not friends with people just based on social class or well, I'm not saying that you're friends with them based on their social class.
	That's not what I'm saying.
	I'm saying that there's no way for you to internalize the same experience that they do because you've never gone through anything like it.
	Sure, that's fair.
	Yeah.
	You're basically born with a silver spoon in your mouth.
	So your experiences are far and away different.
	This is actually interesting to note as well that a trust fund baby with a silver spoon in her mouth, born with a silver spoon in her mouth, had an article written up on her about virginity from a secular worldview.
	Do you think there's any correlation there?
	Like, do you have contacts in media?
	Is that why that happened?
	No, they reached out to me based on my social media.
	But I would like to clarify: when you said that I was born with a silver spoon in my mouth, I mean, I wasn't.
	I was raised, you know, middle, upper class.
	I only have been able to afford my lifestyle because my dad passed away.
	Yeah, but he passed away when you were very young.
	Yeah, I was 16.
	Yeah, so you were very young.
	So, no, the externalities of now having a huge fund of money, which is at your disposal, definitely shields you from the externalities of the world in a way most people don't get, right?
	No, that's fair, yeah.
	I wouldn't dispute that for sure.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	And let me just ask this one last follow-up question.
	If I were to take two boxes and just see which ones you filled the most, right?
	I'm not asking for which one you think you fit perfectly into.
	Two watches?
	But just two boxes.
	Two boxes.
	Just the one that we fill the most.
	Okay.
	If I put up the box for progressive or conservative, you would fill the progressive box far more than the conservative box, wouldn't you?
	No, I don't think so.
	Would you only say that because I'm not traditional?
	No, I would say that based on social issues, which I would assume that you would have.
	Can I name the social issues and we'll see how correct I am?
	Yep.
	When it comes to abortion, women have the right to choose.
	I've always been pro-choice, so yeah, that's true.
	Yeah, okay, so women have the right to choose.
	Okay, hang on, hang on, hang on.
	Hang on.
	I'm not asking for the caveats yet.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Social justice matters.
	Social justice matters.
	I don't think I would check that one.
	No, social justice doesn't matter?
	I wouldn't check that box for myself.
	Do Black Lives Matter?
	Oh, Shandra's going deep with it.
	It's not deep.
	What?
	All Lives Matter.
	Okay.
	So Moving to the next social, is equality important and is feminism a product of its time which was necessary to free women from the entanglements of the enslavement of the patriarch at the time in first wave feminism, second wave feminism, yes.
	I wouldn't say I have any value.
	I don't think that has any value.
	You're progressive through and through, progressive.
	Really?
	Okay, interesting.
	I don't think you're asking me questions, though, that I would check more of the conservative box on.
	Whoa, okay, well, what is a conservative?
	I would say in a lot of ways, traditional, which I don't check that box with a lot of things.
	Traditional, well, okay.
	Traditionalism can be correlated, sure.
	But traditionalism, meaning what?
	You wear like a fedora and a long coat and you have a house where you have a mommy and a daddy and kids.
	Is that what traditional is?
	Or what is traditional?
	What are these values you're alluding to?
	Oh, man.
	I mean, that's, I guess, one way of looking at it.
	What's the way you look at it?
	How do I look at traditional?
	Wait, are we trying to consult conservative?
	I'm just asking basically, what is conservatism?
	What is it?
	You're not your person.
	She's traditional, though.
	I'm not traditional.
	She's not traditional.
	I agree.
	She's not traditional.
	I'm just wondering.
	But she says it.
	She says it.
	Yeah, I'm definitely, I'm 100% not traditional.
	I'm not saying you are.
	I'm just wondering what that means.
	And that's okay.
	But in terms of conservatism, I feel like a lot of my values and the content I enjoy and the things that I agree with are more conservative than progressive.
	So what's the truth?
	Can you name one of those values?
	Oh, I think that's what he was asking.
	Like, what's traditional?
	Medical mandates for one.
	Medical mandates for what?
	For.
	No, I don't.
	Like, yeah.
	I mean, I don't know where that's.
	I don't even know what the hell that means.
	I don't believe in medical mandates.
	Oh, you mean for, oh, okay, for that.
	Okay, yeah, but that's not a conservative.
	There's plenty of progressives who never believed in mandates for lockdowns, for example.
	So what is an actual conservative value you adhere to, a real value?
	Second Amendment?
	There's liberals who believe in the Second Amendment.
	Okay.
	Yeah, I don't know.
	I guess we just aren't seeing eye to eye on that one.
	I'm kind of.
	So guns and no lockdowns, and that's conservatism?
	No, I wouldn't say that's conservatism, but I never claimed to be a true conservative.
	I just said, for the most part, my values are conservative-leaning.
	I would say the opposite.
	I would say they're very progressive-leaning.
	By the way, if you start off with I'm pro-choice, right, I think that any other position you have behind that is irrelevant when it comes to the progressive-conservative dialectic.
	That's fair.
	I would say one thing, though, because I would like to clarify.
	I feel like since becoming more conservative, I can see where the other side is coming from with that, but I would still say, yes, I am pro-choice.
	However, I can see where the other side is coming from.
	I think that's important to note as well.
	Well, I can see where the other side is coming from, too.
	They're just fucking wrong, right?
	Yeah, and that's fair.
	I feel like I'm, like I said, you're obviously more traditional and conservative than I am, and I totally respect that.
	But I'm not, I'm not.
	I do not associate traditionalism with conservatism.
	What is traditional then in this aspect, right?
	Because, like, you know, you're not traditional.
	Traditionalism is set with cultural standards.
	It's just saying we're appealing to experiments that worked.
	So men pay for dates, they open car doors, there's a way that they react and act around their families.
	There's a way in which stoicism is applied.
	That's all the idea of traditionalism and application to culture.
	Conservatism is a political ideology based around the conservation of the ideal of the ethical framework of Christianity.
	That's what it is.
	Progressivism is the slow march, the slow march towards social equality, trying in every way possible to eliminate whatever perception of injustice exists on planet Earth.
	That's the distinction between the two ideologies.
	That's fair.
	I mean, I think, to be honest, you're a fantastic debater.
	You know way more about this than I do.
	So I respect your opinion.
	I respect your views.
	Yeah, well, I'm just trying to understand.
	That's all.
	Yeah, but anyway, I appreciate the inquiry.
	I can see that Brian looks like he's going to punch himself in the mouth.
	So I'm going to turn the mic back over to him so he can move it on.
	Fair.
	I just want to try to get some of the other panelists involved here.
	So going through the notes here, going to Lauren.
	You're a horse girl.
	That's what you put on the episode name.
	Yep.
	You got five horses.
	You got five horses.
	Yep.
	I love this.
	Does it ever get in the way of your dating?
	No.
	I think guys find it interesting.
	I ride horses.
	Okay.
	I think it's super cool.
	Is there anything to the trope of horse girls being crazy?
	Is there anything there?
	Oh, yeah.
	I get that a lot.
	Are you crazy?
	A little bit, yeah.
	How are you crazy?
	I feel like my past has made me crazy.
	Like, guys, like, made me crazy not being communicative or like not living up to the standard like I want.
	So it created me like with trust issues.
	So then it kind of filtered into relationships.
	So that's what kind of made me crazy.
	Okay.
	And how did it filter into relationships?
	The trust issue thing.
	Like when the guy said, is it fair if like my girl is like being crazy?
	Like if I've never broken her trust, like I've definitely had my fair share of like something happened in my past and then it kind of was like I don't want to explain this for good.
	Like someone did something like in my past and like someone in like who I'm currently dating is like kind of showing like signs of it and then I'll like go crazy about it and be like, well, this is what happened before.
	Like why wouldn't I think it's happening again?
	And then I'd have to be like, wait, like this is a different person I'm dating.
	I'm not dating the other person.
	If that kind of makes sense.
	Okay.
	People say horse girls are crazy, but I've always found them rather stable.
	I want to be a horse girl.
	Some people think horse girls are real nightmares.
	I don't know if I am a nightmare.
	Well, I would like to dive into a couple things.
	I've been trying to do a little bit of math over here.
	Brian, can you play the math emblem?
	I just want to make sure that I have this right.
	You have five different horses which are boarded all over the country and are currently being trained.
	Correct?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	What is the average cost to have one of these horses trained?
	I just dropped 20 grand on all five of my horses, so about four grand each, right?
	Okay, and how often do you have to drop payments on these horses being trained?
	I'm sorry, repeat that.
	How often do you have to drop cash on these horses being trained?
	That was a one-time payment.
	They're only there for about four to six months, and I have to go and get them when I get back home.
	So for, wait, for $20,000, you can have six horses trained?
	Basically.
	Five horses.
	And they're boarding them for this cost as well, feeding them, all of that.
	Six of them.
	Five of them.
	Oh, I'm sorry.
	Five of them.
	Yeah.
	So it's only $5,000 per horse to have them boarded for six months and train.
	I literally just don't believe that this is even possible or true.
	I don't have to be charitable here, but I just don't think anybody would board a horse for half a year for $5,000 and train it.
	I know trainers pretty well up and down California.
	That's why.
	So they're just doing it as a favor?
	Some of them are, some of them aren't.
	My most expensive for like six months was about $10,000.
	And you're shelling out all of this money.
	Yeah.
	You shelled out $20,000.
	What do you do for a living?
	I'm doing social media management.
	I'm a server.
	I am an influencer.
	Mute it, mute it, mute it, mute it.
	Well, are these like highly productive jobs when it comes to payment?
	Well, yeah, like I pay them either, like we have payment plans because like obviously I can't give out $10,000 at a time.
	So like I'll pay them like money.
	Are you doing like pay go?
	Yeah.
	Like after pay or like a credit card.
	Okay.
	No, I'm not like physically and have like a bag of cash.
	It's like here you go.
	And there's no external help from the parents at all for the horses.
	I just want to make sure we're clear.
	Yeah.
	That's why I haven't been able to move out and I'm 21.
	I have more notes to get to you from you, but before we do that, I did want to ask this question.
	It's related to a conversation we were having a little bit earlier on in the show.
	I know some of you are in relationships, but answer the question as if you were single.
	Well, I suppose you can even answer this question despite your relationship status.
	Do you think men should pay for first dates?
	Not always.
	Okay.
	Like pay for the meal or something like that?
	Sure.
	Yeah, I guess so.
	Yeah?
	Yes.
	Into the mic if you can.
	Oh, yes.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	You said yes.
	Yes, yes, yes.
	I'm a little confused here because wouldn't that be a man falling into his traditional gender roles?
	Yes, I love traditional gender roles.
	But are you deserving of traditional treatment from men?
	I believe so.
	I think so, yeah.
	Are you deserving?
	I know you're in a relationship with a woman, but are you deserving of traditional treatment from men?
	Yeah.
	Into the mic.
	Would it be the same thing?
	Like, would you let a girl pay for your first meal?
	Hold on.
	Let's not to rail answer the question.
	Sorry, what was the question again?
	Are you deserving?
	Are you deserving of traditional treatment?
	Yeah.
	Of course.
	I think so.
	Yes.
	Hold on.
	All four of you have been engaged in basically sex work.
	You've all admitted to having sugar daddies.
	Is that even approaching being a traditional woman, having sugar daddies?
	Well, if we're talking about like 50-50, like I would say that when you're first trying to establish a relationship, if you can prove that traditional will be like gender roles, I think that's where you're going.
	Yeah.
	You have to, for women, like womanly duties, men, willing duties provide, but also be protective, whatever.
	The first coming first dates, like, yeah, pay for the meal, but like when you're in a relationship and establish that, a man might not always have that or be able to provide all that.
	So you have to be able to match each other's energy.
	Like, oh, I'll pay for this if, you know, like, because that's what a relationship.
	But you do obviously want to look good in front of the woman.
	Like, I mean, would you go on a date and not pay for the meal?
	Or would you let the girl pay for the meal?
	What he's asking is if you deserve it because you participated in sex work.
	You deserve a man, a traditional man, because you've done untraditional.
	You've got to do a copper, you've done sugaring or whatever.
	Yeah, of course.
	Yeah.
	You still deserve it.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Now, you were talking about, well, once you get into a relationship, then things can become a bit more 50-50.
	You said your longest relationship was two years.
	Was it a 50-50 relationship?
	Well, we were in junior college.
	Yeah, I would say it was 50-50.
	But at the beginning, he would pay for dates?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Like when we'd go on our dates, we'd wanna movies.
	He'd pay for the dates.
	When I traveled to Chicago where he was from, I'd pay for other things.
	Would you pay for the flight?
	Yeah, I paid for the flight.
	Okay.
	But on the first dates, you do want the guy to pay.
	Yeah, I think it recalls back to the accountability part.
	Just because I danced back in the day back in the day, doesn't mean I could consecutively still do it.
	When's the last time you had a sugar daddy?
	Like two years now.
	And if a guy didn't pay for the first date, would there be a second date?
	Yeah, I don't really think it matters that much.
	You want a guy to pay for the first date, but if he doesn't, you'd be okay with it.
	If he didn't.
	Would there be a second date if he didn't?
	No, it's not a deal breaker.
	So, okay.
	Check comes or the server comes.
	Will there be anything else?
	No.
	Two checks, please.
	Will there be a second date?
	Yeah, of course.
	Will there be a second date?
	Yeah.
	At least you stand on business.
	If their personality is good, yes.
	No way.
	Okay.
	Hashtag what's your price?
	Well, I guess what is difficult for me to understand is why do you des like why should a man pay for a first date?
	That's what I want to know.
	Because a man asked me out.
	So?
	Why are you going to ask me out if you can't pay for a date?
	Do you ask guys out?
	Do I ask guys out?
	Absolutely not.
	Have you ever asked a guy out?
	No.
	Okay.
	So de facto, men have to ask to get a date.
	I feel like the reason that I believe men should always ask out women is because I think it's a masculine thing.
	Is it massive?
	Well, is it feminine to be duping men out of their money for dates?
	Is that feminine and traditional?
	Shifting cares.
	I think it's feminine, right?
	It's feminine to manipulate and take advantage of men financially.
	Because you can see it's more of a female thing.
	Yeah, it's like a female thing.
	I'm actually, I'm willing to grant this.
	I'm willing to just kind of grant that it's true, that it's far more masculine for a man to ask a woman out on a date than, of course, it would be feminine for a woman to ask a man out.
	I'm just actually willing to just kind of grant that that's true.
	Can you tell me why it's masculine to pay for the date, though?
	Because, I mean, I mean, now, like, I think things are different.
	Like, I think, like, the pay and everything.
	But back in the day, I feel like the reason men always paid for first dates was because they make more money.
	They're the providers, right?
	Men are like providers, protectors.
	Well, no, no, they had expectations as suitors that they could potentially be finding a woman who they could have children with.
	And the expectation came that she would likely be a virgin or likely have almost no body count whatsoever and would be a good wife to them, et cetera, et cetera.
	So they were willing to shell that out in order to find the right ones in order to have their children and be a good wife and all of those things.
	This is a whole different scenario now.
	And again, I'm kind of willing to just grant that it's far more masculine for a man to ask out a woman than it is feminine for a woman to ask out a man.
	I'm just willing to grant that's true.
	But why is it more masculine to pay?
	That's what I'm not sure about.
	I mean, for me, the men that I encounter usually just make more money.
	But like, I don't think a men have to pay.
	But even have a even if they don't make as much money, I don't understand why it's a masculine trope to pay.
	Why is that masculine?
	I didn't, did I say that was masculine?
	Yeah, you said it was masculine.
	To pay?
	Yeah, you said it was like a masculine thing to pay.
	But I think it comes up like a mastery.
	But you don't think masculine is just like.
	I don't know.
	It's just like, yeah, gender roles, right?
	Like, it's just.
	So you have the expectation that men will pay because of gender roles?
	Yeah.
	I mean, just for the first date, I mean.
	And what are women's gender roles supposed to be?
	Should they be virgins as part of their gender role?
	No, I don't think they need to be virgins.
	Oh, okay.
	Well, then, no.
	I don't think that men should have to adhere to any gender roles if you don't think that women should have to adhere to any of theirs, right?
	Yeah.
	That's fair.
	Yeah, makes sense.
	Makes sense.
	To each their own.
	So I guess almost Andrew already made the point, but just to kind of reframe it a little bit: should men pay for first aids?
	Just to you?
	Hmm.
	They don't have to.
	No, but should.
	Should they?
	Yes.
	I don't think they should.
	Should women be virgins?
	Should women be virgins?
	Yes.
	No.
	Okay.
	There you have it.
	Okay.
	It's interesting, women have completely abandoned and cast aside any and all of their traditional gender roles, yet with the utmost entitlement, still expect men to adhere to their traditional gender roles.
	I find that interesting.
	Kind of like the buffet of equality.
	You want to pick and choose what benefits you.
	Men have to still exist in the 1950s world, but women can exist in a 2024 world where you do OF, you're a stripper, you do sugar daddy websites, you do all this stuff.
	But men should pay for first aids.
	Men should be providers.
	Men should protect you.
	Blah, It's interesting how that works.
	In fact, let's dive a little deeper.
	What gender roles should women take on?
	Should they take on any female gender roles?
	Like, what should they actually take on as females?
	What?
	Well, what are they?
	Well, for instance, I think.
	Let me ask her real quick.
	She was making the claims first.
	So I want to ask you directly: what actual gender roles should women take on?
	Well, I mean, I still think women should have a low body count.
	I just don't think being a virgin is like a possibility nowadays because, I mean, you date people and then after a year or two.
	All right.
	I mean, I guess you have to exist.
	I mean, I feel like.
	Okay, so low body count.
	What other gender role?
	A guy won't date you more than a couple months if you don't end up having a sexual relationship with them.
	So how are you supposed to date to marry now?
	What other gender roles besides just that do you think women should adhere to?
	Cook, clean, be mothers.
	Okay, what if, and what about submission to their husband?
	Yeah, submission.
	And what does that mean?
	What's the entailment of submission?
	Submit.
	So just what they say goes.
	Always?
	Always.
	What if you disagree about where your kids should go to school?
	I don't care.
	Should you submit to what the husband says?
	Yeah.
	Now, what if that's counting on?
	If the school is an hour and a half out of your way, and you say there's a perfectly good school that's even better, and it's only 20 minutes away, right?
	So I'd prefer to drop the kids off there.
	You still gonna submit?
	Yes.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	I'm very submissive, so.
	You can ask my ex.
	Wait, related to this, do you want to get married?
	Yes.
	Have kids?
	Yes.
	Do you want to get married?
	Have kids?
	Just say into the mic.
	Yeah.
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, I want to get married.
	No kids.
	Well, have kids.
	I have kids too.
	You're married.
	Did you take your husband's last name?
	Yes.
	Will you take, well, are you going to marry a man or you date women, so I don't know.
	Or a mask female.
	Will you take your husband's last name?
	Yes, absolutely.
	Okay.
	Will you take your husband's last name?
	Yes.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	All right.
	All right.
	Didn't get on that one.
	I just, it's, it's interesting, like, going back to it really quick.
	It's so a lot of women seem to, they'll demand all the privileges and benefits of a liberalized society while still demanding men take on all the burdens of traditional society.
	It's just like you want your cake and eat it too.
	You know?
	What's the burden part, the body count?
	Because that seems like the only like controversial conversation that we have in regards to like gender roles.
	I'm not really sure, though, that I actually believe the answers that are given when it comes to submission.
	Most men will not abandon a submissive woman who is taking good care of them.
	They just really won't do it for the most part.
	Though some do, I demand that there are some who will.
	Kill donated $200.
	Men, forced military conscription, cannot vote unless we sign up for selective service.
	Women can vote to send men to war.
	That alone says women should pay first.
	Do you believe women should be drafted?
	Just raise a show of hands.
	Do you think women should be drafted in the same way that men have to be drafted?
	Talking about war, right?
	Clarity.
	Hub you, Andrew.
	War, right?
	Wait, you guys don't think you guys don't.
	In the military, yes.
	So, okay, the men have to register for the selective service in the event of no way.
	Women should stay home.
	Women should stay home.
	I think, given the context of this, women should be virgins, then, right?
	Yeah, ideally, you know what?
	Have only one sexual partner their entire life.
	I would ideally want to have been a virgin for.
	I thought I was going to be in the relationship with my kid's dad that I met at 18 for life.
	You know?
	Wait, so okay, go ahead.
	You were saying something, but I want explanations as to none of you raised your hand.
	Oh, mom, sir.
	I raised my hand.
	I do think women should be drafted, given this context of the society that we're doing.
	And sent right to the front lines.
	In this current society that we're in, I think it's fair if women are drafted.
	Yeah.
	Unless we regress.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, like infantry.
	Right alongside the men.
	Yeah, sure.
	Yeah.
	I'd say, like, if we were to regress back into, like, like when the family structure was more traditional, then sure, I'd say that women ought to stay home.
	But given the climate that we're in right now, no, I don't think it's fair.
	If you were drafted, would you go to war?
	I would have to.
	I'd be drafted.
	You go.
	Yeah.
	You wouldn't have to.
	You could dodge it.
	Well, I don't think I.
	I don't know if I could dodge it, but I would go.
	Yeah, those drafts.
	You can.
	Yeah, you would go.
	Wait, going around the table before we get into it.
	Do you consider yourself a feminist?
	No.
	Honestly, no.
	No?
	Okay.
	No, no, no, no, no, is anyone a feminist here?
	Well, I think Andrew's definition of feminist is a movement towards equality or egalitarianism with a rejection of patriarchy.
	Does that, so rejection of patriarchy?
	Does that change your answer, anybody?
	No.
	So then in favor of patriarchy?
	Yeah.
	I guess.
	I don't really thought about it.
	I mean, I'm dating a woman, so maybe that's going to make a difference.
	Okay.
	I'm in favor of patriarchy.
	In favor of patriarchy.
	That means like inequality or no inequality.
	Oh, wait, wait, wait.
	A male-led society.
	Patriarchy means of the father.
	It means that the systems are led by and men are in charge of systems.
	All systems.
	The family, government, everything.
	Men are in charge.
	That would be patriarchy.
	Yeah, I do think that, yeah.
	Just because I think, yeah.
	Okay.
	Scratching my head.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, I'm not opposed to patriarchy.
	Okay.
	So if men tomorrow say that they don't want women to vote, do you think you would be for that, right?
	Okay.
	My husband doesn't let me vote anyway.
	Well, I mean, he should.
	You should double his vote.
	Yeah.
	Well, if I do vote, then it would be a double for his vote.
	But he doesn't recommend that I vote.
	No, I mean, that's absurd.
	He should recommend that you just vote how he votes.
	But anyway, so going around the table, right, the quick question here is, if men didn't want you to vote, would you be okay with that?
	Would you just be like, yeah, sure, I'm not going to vote.
	Are we going around?
	Honestly.
	Tell us how you really feel.
	Honestly, I wouldn't really care.
	I don't like to follow politics.
	Okay.
	All right.
	I think there's so many women that are voting incorrectly that I would give up my right to vote so that we could cancel out those women's votes 100%.
	Because I think men are probably smarter at it.
	Okay.
	All right.
	I'm not sure if we were expecting that one.
	Because we're whores.
	Because we're prostitutes, I should say.
	You said it, not me.
	No, you did say it.
	Well, implied it.
	I didn't.
	No, you guys did say it because you guys were saying the definition of prostitution is all of that was Andrew.
	But is Andrew frozen?
	Oh, he's just like frozen.
	I mean, there's no implication.
	You engage in prostitution.
	There's no two ways about that.
	So there's no implication.
	I'm not trying to make an implication where there isn't one.
	I'm just outright saying that that's prostitution.
	Rest in peace.
	Nick, do we have more Reacts?
	We do.
	Before we do that, going to you, Lauren, more of your notes.
	You said you're Republican, correct?
	Yes.
	I'll open it up to this whole panel, but I think, I don't know if in your notes you said difficult to date.
	Maybe you didn't.
	Difficult to date as a Republican in California?
	Who said that?
	Did you say that?
	Did you say that?
	Maybe I'm...
	No.
	On that note, though, going around the table, well, I guess, this is maybe just for you.
	Would you date a Democrat slash liberal slash feminist slash vegan?
	No.
	I don't know why I turned vegan in you.
	No.
	It fits.
	Yeah, it does fit.
	No, I wouldn't.
	Show of hands if you would date any of these.
	Nobody?
	Come on.
	Vegan?
	Come on.
	I know you're the one who's not the vegan.
	She always in the vegetables.
	No me.
	All right.
	Nick, the Reacts.
	Yeah.
	I don't know what these are.
	Oh.
	Oh.
	Okay.
	Sound on, right?
	Yeah.
	What are reacts like to what they're doing?
	Who is that?
	Oh, okay, folks.
	Here, here.
	Just reload it.
	Okay.
	While he's doing that, Maddie, can you read this?
	Sorry to backtrack, but can we ask around the table how many of the ladies use anti-aging creams and the like?
	If you use that, you can't say you think you'll look better in 10 years.
	Anybody use anti-aging cream?
	Like retinol?
	Did you say yes?
	Oh, indicating that you can raise your hand for it.
	Does like moisturizer count as like a preventative?
	It's like the whole face oil.
	I went on a date with a guy who said he was 6'2, and apparently I'm 6'2 as well.
	I mean, I thought I was 5'7, but we were the same height.
	She lied about their height.
	Is it wrong for a guy to lie about his height?
	Why would you lie about his head?
	Because if you're planning on meeting them, we can tell how tall you are.
	I'm fucking 5'9.
	Do you think if you say I'm 6'2 and then I show up on the date, I'm like 5'0?
	Yeah, but what's wrong?
	I mean, if I lie about my body.
	What's wrong about it?
	You know, what's wrong about it?
	Well, I wouldn't lie about my height or weight and my pictures look exactly like how I am.
	I am.
	Nick, pull up her thing one more time.
	Oh, no.
	Don't be a holy.
	You don't need to play it.
	I just want to see a photo of this woman.
	I want to see a photo.
	She's fake.
	Okay, she has fake lips.
	She's wearing makeup.
	She's lying about her physical appearance.
	What's actually...
	Is she really 6'2", though?
	I feel like she's not 5'7.
	She's making a point about men who lie about their height on dating apps.
	Yet here she is lying about her.
	But he can see that.
	He can see that.
	We can't see how tall you are on a dating app if you're lying about it.
	We can see that in person, though.
	Well, I'm an expert on that.
	I have fake lip radar.
	Not every man has fake lip radar, so they might think that this woman with these big lips, they might think it's real.
	True, you're right.
	And you bamboozled, you bamboozled the guy.
	He really likes women with big lips, but you don't actually have big lips.
	You just got a bunch of bullshit pumped into them.
	So.
	Is the guy wearing steps in his shoes and he looks like he's 6'2 and then he takes them off?
	That would be a more accurate comparison.
	I mean, what?
	Wouldn't that be worse?
	No.
	If he lied about his height on a dating app and then matched it and then matched it?
	Except, you know, he's not always going to be able to wear those.
	Right.
	So maybe he'll be honest with her later and maybe she'll.
	Yeah, but do you think women would tolerate a guy who, you know, wore those things, whatever they're called?
	Stephen?
	Let's assume every time they hung out.
	You know the steps and every time they hung out.
	When they went into public, he wore these, like, they gave him three inches.
	He was three inches taller.
	You feel like women wouldn't feel a certain type of way about that?
	Like, well, you're not actually this tall.
	Same with, well, I guess.
	It's like kind of like a push-up bra, I guess.
	Well, it's the same with makeup.
	You're not actually that pretty.
	We could show him the tweet.
	Yeah, let's do the tweet.
	Good call, Nick.
	Well, so the idea.
	Well, hang on.
	I would like to dive into this just briefly, but the idea here is this.
	If a woman is not particularly pretty, at least by whatever social standards you consider pretty to be.
	And so she does up her hair, she does up her makeup, and she does up all of these things to go and meet with a man, and she presents her best foot, all of this kind of cover for what she actually looks like with the assumption that, but if he really gets to know me, he's really going to like me, but I need to have a shot.
	I need to at least have a chance at this.
	And so I'm going to make myself look the best I possibly can, appearance-wise.
	Do you think that's wrong of her to do?
	This is like a deal-breaker.
	Like, if you think height's a deal-breaker, probably.
	If you think natural and makeup is a deal-breaker.
	But hang on, hang on.
	I'm just asking from the perspective of she's putting on makeup.
	She's doing herself up to the hilt with the idea here of I'm improving my physical appearance because I think that once this guy gets to know me, he really will like me for me, but I need to have a shot.
	I think that there's a threshold.
	I think that women, young women these days, especially are like over, they look older.
	Like all the Botox, all the lip filler, all the crazy makeup, the fake eyebrows, the fake eyelashes, like the words.
	Yeah, but it's crazy.
	It's okay for her to do that.
	Right, no.
	No, I don't think that's okay.
	I don't think that's okay.
	But also, there's guys that are really attracted to that.
	I wouldn't be attracted to a guy that's attracted to that kind of girl.
	Well, they play into each other.
	Women who are attracted to guys lie about their height.
	I mean, that's what I would say.
	Saying some women do X.
	Sure, I can grant every outlier you could ever come up with.
	I'm fine with that.
	I'm just asking, because it seems that the case is that women do do themselves up to the hilt in order to put their best foot forward.
	And this is completely socially acceptable.
	To look like an entirely different.
	You guys even do that yourself.
	To like do it so much so that you don't look like any semblance of yourself.
	I think that's totally wrong.
	Yeah.
	I hardly ever wear makeup.
	I put some makeup on for this show, but like I've been told they look better without it.
	What do you think the alternative to that is then?
	Do you think that women shouldn't wear makeup or like what do you think about that, Andrew?
	No, I don't have, me personally, I don't have a problem with women wearing makeup and I never have.
	I have a definite delineation from Brian on this.
	But what I'm asking about specifically is whether or not you think that this is a deceptive practice for a man to lie about his height.
	I would say it is deceptive, but there could be motivation behind it of, but maybe if I can put my best foot forward when I meet this person, they'll understand that, you know, they should have given me a shot and this was the only way I could get that shot.
	And I think that women do this often, just the other direction.
	And so I'm just wondering if you guys think that that is also the case.
	No, I think to outright lie about your height is just not setting the stage for a good, you know, foundation in our.
	But you're lying about your face in the opposition, right?
	Yeah, I still can maintain your face.
	You can't maintain that height because you can't really.
	You can't really taller.
	So, okay.
	And I'm willing to grant all of that.
	So he shows up in lifts and you don't know that they're lifts.
	Okay.
	And then later you find out he was wearing lifts.
	Is that still problematic?
	Yes.
	Well, then you're just doing the exact same thing.
	If you turned out three inches.
	If he turned out to be like a really great guy, I understand what you're saying because like on a dating app, I might definitely swipe away from somebody who had like a height of 5'6 or 5'7.
	But I have male friends that I think are really great guys that are shorter.
	So I understand why somebody might lie about that.
	And maybe they are a really great person and maybe it will get them in there.
	Who knows?
	Well, it's just the idea.
	What Brian's trying to explore here is the idea of what is socially acceptable when it comes to deception and dating.
	And I would argue it's every bit as deceptive for women to put on gallons of makeup, have fake boobs, everything else, in order to put their best foot forward.
	But for some reason, if men are equally as deceptive, that's frowned upon.
	And I think that that's what he's moving towards here.
	I think it goes back to what Nancy said, though.
	I think if you are presenting yourself in a way where you're, you know, putting your best foot forward and kind of enhancing your natural beauty, I think that's acceptable.
	But I don't, I don't think overkill is acceptable.
	Obviously, there's overkill for sure.
	And I think that's just like, I mean, I don't care for it.
	But some guys like that.
	That's like catfish.
	Are you willing to concede that it is deceptive to wear makeup?
	To some extent, sure, yeah.
	No, to any extent.
	Yeah.
	So then, so then isn't it really just a double standard to say this deception is okay and this one over here is not okay?
	I mean, if you're.
	I think it goes off of what the guy's into.
	Like, if the guy's into a girl that he wants to look like that, then he's the objective.
	But you could say that about anything, right?
	Like, serial killers are okay as long as the person's into getting killed by serial killers, right?
	It's just like, it's just a nonsense way to look at a thing.
	Is it deceptive across the board?
	Is it deceptive to wear makeup?
	Is the purpose of it to show something which is not actually true?
	I would argue that it is.
	I'm not even saying there's a problem with doing it.
	I'm just arguing that it is to show something which is not actually true.
	Yeah, I can see that.
	Yeah, so I mean, if that's the case, then wouldn't it just be deceptive both ways, wouldn't it?
	Yeah.
	Ultimately.
	I think the deception is more acceptable on one side than the other.
	I mean, what guy does.
	And that's where I wanted to.
	But what guy does it?
	Why is one deception okay?
	The other deception is not.
	Because it's okay.
	It's okayed by the other party.
	Why, though?
	Yeah, but it's not really.
	Yeah, the guy is saying, I'm okay.
	And maybe some guys might want, I like prefer a natural look, but some guys might want this Kardashian look or whatever the thing is that's popular.
	Yeah, but they don't know what's going on.
	Right?
	They don't know what's on the back.
	I think that's totally deceptive.
	Okay, if that's the case, then let's explore and see if that is actually.
	If a man says he's six foot two and he shows up and he has on height-enhancing gear, lifts of some kind, and you can't detect him.
	But later you find out, okay, he was wearing lifts, okay, and that's why he was six foot two.
	You would consider that to be highly deceptive, right?
	Yeah, and I would relate the thing that would make more sense to relate is a woman lying about her weight and like showing up for a date 20 or 30 pounds heavier than she said.
	I don't think a coat of mascara and some lip gloss is on the same level of deception.
	True.
	Yeah, but why not?
	I don't really understand the delineation.
	Because whatever.
	Because the idea seems to come down to you just say, but some men could prefer that.
	But the truth is, is that women are covering up what they actually look like.
	How would the man know if he prefers her without makeup if he's never actually seen her without it?
	I think that some guys just like a fake look in general.
	They don't maybe want to even see what she looks like.
	And some guys prefer a really natural look and then the over-the-top is unattractive.
	He just wants to date the chick for the rest of his life with her just always having a suit of makeup on so he doesn't see what she looks like.
	Nowadays culture, unfortunately, I think that that feeds into each other.
	That culture feeds into the guy and the girl both like that.
	You know, it's just.
	So you think that men genuinely would just prefer to just not the men that I'm attracted to, but yes, it appears that way.
	It appears that way based off of the media, and I think it doesn't appear.
	And there's no way to make the comparison anyway.
	So even if I were to grant that, well, men would still prefer that you hide your hideous face, let's say in this instance, and only makeup is what's stopping it from being hideous.
	They still wouldn't have a frame of reference to know what it actually looked like.
	So it would still be a deception either way.
	How would it not be a deception?
	I think that anybody who, any guy who like thinks a girl who clearly has makeup on naturally looks like that might not be the smartest tool out in the in the shed, you know?
	Like, I don't know.
	I think he knows she's wearing makeup.
	Yeah, but the frame of reference for how much different she would look absent the makeup is not there.
	Right, and so that's why there's a scale.
	So if you look like an exception.
	A scale of deception?
	Yeah, if you look like a completely different person is one thing.
	And I think that's like, you know, that would be really unfortunate.
	Like, I would not want to be a guy who woke up next to a girl and was like, wow, who the hell are you?
	I didn't do that.
	Neither would I.
	That would suck, right?
	So that's what I'm saying.
	They both seem to just be the same deception, just played on the opposite end.
	To still know who the person is and recognize to their faces.
	And like, I think that's not deceptive.
	I think that's like putting on a dress that accentuates your features.
	Like, I don't.
	So deceptive?
	No, I mean, it's like, doesn't a man want to shave and put on a nice suit or do his hair in a certain way?
	Whatever.
	Yeah, but that's not.
	But you're making my point for me: I think that deception played is only men being punished for the deception, even if they're deceiving.
	But you're only using one example of that.
	The part of social standard here is that women should not be punished for the deception, only men.
	That's what the point is.
	No, but I'm not saying both aren't deceiving each other.
	I'm just saying, why is one more socially acceptable than the other?
	You're only using the example of height, and I think the thing that compare that is a better comparison for height would be women just lying about their weight.
	And I do think that's equally as wrong as lying about your head.
	Great, but we're not talking about that.
	And we're talking about makeup itself.
	And I grant that you even made a better comparison with deception.
	I'm still asking about the makeup comparison here because that does seem to be deception.
	I think makeup and haircuts are like at the same value of deception.
	Because a haircut can make a guy look really good.
	And obviously, if they go out their hair, it's like a balding guy wearing a hat.
	Well, they're all the same principle, I think.
	Still deceptive.
	Yeah, they're all a form of deception.
	I guess you, I don't know if you could argue if one's worse than the other, but they're all like.
	Deceptive.
	Yeah, it's the same principle.
	So I guess my ultimate point here, so we don't belabor it forever, is just to say that I think that both sides deceive each other when it comes to dating by trying to put their best foot forward.
	I think that there's many examples that you've even cited here yourself, right?
	Perhaps they wear a hat to cover up the fact that they're balding, or perhaps they wear a dress on the other end to accentuate their features, or perhaps they try to hide weight and perhaps the other one tries to add height.
	The only distinction here that I see is that it seems to be socially acceptable for women to do this, but not for men to do this.
	And I guess that's where we're actually diving and driving this point towards.
	And I don't think it's acceptable for women to lie about their weight specifically.
	I think they do it all the time.
	I don't think it's acceptable.
	Oh, okay.
	How much do you weigh?
	I weigh 130.
	Exactly.
	I was 129.5 last time, so I'm just assuming that I'm 130 right now.
	Because it's the end of the day.
	Okay, well, then the gal next to you, how much do you weigh?
	Me?
	Left or right?
	No, no, no.
	To your, I think it would be to your right.
	190.
	188 the last time I weighed myself.
	Next, how much do you weigh?
	132.7.
	Next?
	158.
	I gained weight.
	I haven't weighed myself in a while.
	Like 120?
	Okay.
	Muscles.
	How much do you weigh?
	Huh?
	I do not have a scale.
	We get a scale for you.
	I will get one.
	I will definitely get one.
	We should do that.
	We should.
	We should do that.
	Yeah, because weight's like a big thing.
	I feel like if you lie about your weight, it's like, damn, if I see you in person, it's like the same thing about your height.
	Weight, true, for sure.
	Like, yeah, like what.
	Okay.
	Yes, 100% agree.
	Makeup is like, okay, you can wear makeup one day and not wear makeup another day.
	But yeah, I mean, like, height, you can't really change.
	Weight, makeup, you can, but I mean, I feel like you have to be really good at makeup, though, to change how you really look.
	I mean, because not really.
	I don't know.
	Maybe guys lie to me, but they tell me I look the same with them without makeup.
	So maybe they're lying to me, but you look the same.
	I feel like you look the same.
	Maybe they're lying to me.
	Maybe they're just lying to me.
	I don't know.
	Maybe you just elude it.
	Why would you, if it didn't improve or change how you looked, why would you wear it to begin with?
	Some people like it.
	Like people, like it's your formality.
	So I'm just going to waste a bunch of money and waste a bunch of time putting on something that doesn't change how I look at all.
	I prefer to not wear makeup, to be honest with you.
	Right, but women would not wear makeup if it didn't change their appearance for the better.
	Right.
	Right.
	Yeah.
	So if we can agree that it changes your appearance for the better, that's not how you actually look.
	It is.
	I mean, some women don't do a very good job, and I think it makes them look worse.
	Arguably.
	That's like really bad.
	That's a fair point to make, but I think most they think that they're enhancing it.
	That's the exception to the rule, though.
	I would say most women will put on makeup and it will tend to improve their physical appearance.
	Yeah.
	Let's see.
	Let's get back into more notes.
	Do you want to finish, Vax?
	Let me get through the notes first.
	Okay, we have let's go to Sarah.
	Finding out the guy I was hooking up with for four years ago was in a relationship with Summer Ray the whole time.
	Yeah.
	The like influencer chick or whatever?
	Yeah.
	Well, we hooked up for a little bit and then a week ago.
	Is it Jake Paul?
	No.
	Oh, okay.
	He's a director, like music video director.
	The lyrical lemonade.
	Yeah.
	Oh, that's him?
	I was totally guessing that.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Cole Bennett.
	Is that his name?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	He posted with Summer Ray like a week after I saw him.
	Like, I was like, oh, okay.
	And then, yeah.
	Okay.
	Stopped talking to him.
	Wait, so how long were you dating him?
	We weren't dating.
	We were just.
	Oh.
	Yeah.
	But he was in a monogamous relationship with Summer Ray while.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Is it like a public thing?
	Like, how did you not know?
	They posted publicly like a week after I saw him.
	Yeah.
	So I don't know if they were like dating for like a month prior, like two months prior and just didn't really like publicly announce it.
	But he's notorious for doing that apparently.
	Just within LA.
	I didn't even ghost you after.
	I stopped talking to him.
	Oh, okay.
	Yeah.
	If he.
	Oh, wait.
	I'm married.
	Yeah, you're married.
	But the answer is no, he did DM me, oh, what was this?
	Like January of this year.
	I did not respond.
	I blocked him.
	Just curious about your tattoos, really quick.
	I know you have some Pokemon tattoos.
	What can you?
	There's.
	Or is that Kirby?
	No, that's Kirby.
	Kirby Eevee, Mew, and then a Keyblade.
	Kingdom Hearts.
	Okay, that's cool.
	Let's see.
	And then I think we already kind of talked all about the whole celibate until marriage thing.
	You don't do casual hookups, but you used to.
	Used to.
	Used to.
	Damn, that's a tough sell.
	You were like in the middle of a relationship with the dude.
	And then you're like, yeah, by the way, I don't want to fuck you anymore.
	Well, it was kind of like a slow burner long conversation.
	Took a while for me to actually commit to being celibate.
	But yeah.
	Yeah, I get it.
	I get why he would be upset if you know.
	I get it.
	All right.
	Any other crazy dating, any other celebs you hooked up with and they were fucking other people?
	No, I did sleep with one other celebrity, but who's that?
	Ski Mask, the slump god, some rapper.
	Who the fuck is that guy?
	I have no idea who that is.
	He's Cole Bennett's friend.
	He's who?
	Cole's friend.
	So you fucked Cole and his best friend.
	Yeah, like a year apart.
	A year apart.
	Yeah.
	Nice.
	Which one first?
	Ski.
	And then Cole.
	You get the rapper, then you get the music video guy.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, it was.
	Yeah.
	I was in LA a lot.
	How did you get in touch with them?
	Well, I slide into the DMs or?
	Yeah, I slid into Ski's DMs.
	This was like 2019.
	I DM'd him.
	He was on tour with Juice World at the time, so he invited me.
	And then we had an on and off thing for like a year and then stopped talking.
	I was in LA.
	I got invited to some BT after party, and then Cole was there.
	That's how him and I started talking.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	All right, going to Angelina.
	I should have gotten to some of these a little earlier, but so you're, you say you're 38, three kids from the same man.
	Nancy.
	Huh?
	My name's Nancy.
	On Instagram, it's Angelina.
	Not Angelina.
	She says, not Angelina.
	It's pretty private.
	All right.
	You said you have three kids from the same man.
	You stripped.
	You did girl on girl.
	Oh, hold on a second.
	What?
	Let's just.
	I don't know.
	I know, but can we just be conscientious of like wording right here for certain reasons?
	Okay.
	Are you concerned that your kids are going to hear this?
	Yeah, I mean, I told my daughters that I was going on the podcast and they're older, but I'm going to really, like, my son likes this podcast because he's very into tradition.
	How old's your son?
	He's in sixth grade.
	Wait, he shouldn't.
	I know.
	Andrew Shade and you guys shouldn't be dating.
	He's not dating.
	In fact, he just told me his first week in middle school.
	He's like, Mom, somebody has a crush on me.
	And I was like, okay.
	And he said, but it's a little too early for me and I'm not interested.
	And he's like, and I'm not interested.
	And it's too early for me.
	And it's different for boys and girls, too.
	Come to think of it, I was listening to Loveline when I was like in J.
	Oh, you know what?
	I was too.
	Yeah.
	Adam Corolla.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	You know what I mean?
	So let's just hold on a second.
	Does this work?
	I feel like this show is probably more tame.
	Your son should not be watching this.
	Than Loveline.
	I think it's more tame than Loveline.
	It's Loveline.
	It's like a KRA.
	It was a radio show called People Calling.
	Let's not talk about all of the notes that I said.
	What I will say, what I will say.
	I know, I know, I know.
	And I forgot to say that I mentioned that.
	And I went on the show, and I'll talk about this.
	Right, but hold on a second.
	Hold.
	I just will say that my kid's dad, so going back to like wanting to be a virgin for your partner, Rick, I agree with that in a perfect situation.
	But that's not even the topic.
	What are you talking about?
	It's going to tie into it.
	Okay.
	All right.
	So I was 18 when I met my kid's dad and he was 25, I think.
	He lost his job.
	He was a Mason and then pressured me into stuff that was going to support us.
	And I was young and that's what he said to do.
	And then I got pregnant.
	So it was a very short period of time, two years.
	Then I got pregnant and I said, like, look, like, you got to get a job, man.
	And he did.
	And yeah, this was, you know, it was a part of my past that I'm, I will say that I'm not proud of it, but I'm also, you know, and I'm also not open about it.
	So it's just, it's the point of that is that like you can sometimes do, be in these situations and come out having, you know, different values.
	Those weren't my values.
	I didn't like that.
	You know what I mean?
	I felt pressured into doing it from a man that I loved that I thought I was going to be with forever.
	And I was with for 12 years.
	I mean, you do include that in the notes.
	You say you're not going to be able to do that.
	I know.
	Okay, let's.
	Can you let me stop interrupting?
	No, because I'm just going to stop.
	Okay, so you said at the insistence of your kid's father.
	Okay, that's all I was going to say.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Yeah, that's pretty much it.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, thank you.
	I mean, I don't really understand it, though.
	I mean, they're going to know all this shit sooner or later.
	Yeah, and it's just, you know, I've been open with my daughters about stuff now that they're older, but it's not for everyone yet.
	All right.
	So.
	And also another thing that I said as well, I'm going to say you want to preemptively pillar up the page.
	Okay, well, I just thought about it.
	I'm going to say $700 comes on the podcast to discuss dating.
	Is too ashamed to discuss it because of her kids.
	Maybe that's a sign for all of the girls of sex work.
	I guess that is a good point.
	Yeah, I don't have OnlyFans.
	And I do think that's a good point.
	Like, when I think about you girls, like that say you want kids, you guys all say you want kids and stuff like that.
	Like, you have to think about those things.
	You know, like, this was a different time when I was 18.
	Like, there wasn't OnlyFans.
	There wasn't like, it was just different.
	You know, there's certain magazines that were out that aren't in existence anymore.
	You know, like, it was just a different level of things.
	It wasn't $5.99 for like selling as part of your soul, I feel like.
	Still sex work.
	Wait, is mine sex work, even though it's just dates?
	It's.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, right?
	Because at the end of the day, they're only going on dates with me because they want to.
	I don't know.
	I don't know.
	No, thanks.
	So what?
	I don't define it as sex work.
	What are the other things you want to preemptively tell me to not talk about?
	I'm okay with the age gap thing.
	And we can talk about that.
	I mean, I'm not, I try to be reasonable with people, but we can talk about the age gap.
	It's just like, here, invite me on your show, and here's what I, like, you're like, it's like a fraudulent induced.
	Yeah, I was, I was planning on.
	Somebody's like, let me on the show.
	I'll talk about XYZ.
	I invite you on the show.
	I understand.
	And then you refuse to talk about XYZ.
	It's kind of like, whatever.
	It's okay.
	No, I just thought it was going to be framed a little bit differently, and I also thought we'd talk about some other topics politically.
	You said you were also liberal until your mid-20s, a Democrat until 2019, ex-vegan, and now you're a hardcore conservative Trump supporter.
	Although I do still have some sexually liberal viewpoints still personally, but I'm very against a CERN agenda, which I'm not going to name.
	I've been broken up from the Father of My Kids for eight years.
	Only date guys from Texas talked about that because California guys are mostly trash.
	Going to the, okay, used to be liberal when you were young, Democrat until 2019, ex-vegan, now hardcore conservative Trump supporter.
	But you have some sexually liberal viewpoints still.
	What are those?
	Yeah, well, so I would say that I think it's like threesomes, for instance.
	I think that those are acceptable and really dependent on the discussion that you have with your partner.
	And like boy-boy?
	I would, in a relationship with a man, which is the only kind of relationship I'm in, I'm open to a girl-girl guy.
	You don't want the boy to know that you strip, but you're okay with him knowing that you would be willing to engage in a threesome.
	I just want to make sure I got that correct.
	Is that what you're doing?
	Well, things start out there like that.
	Yeah, I feel like I didn't, I've watched some of this show, and I thought we might be talking about more like political stuff.
	So I was kind of up to it.
	I know it is, but you do talk about it a lot.
	And I would say that we talk about political stuff.
	I'm going forward to that.
	But the political stuff, while it comes up, tends to be secondary to the dating conversations.
	I'll just point that out.
	So I guess I'm just trying to say that you can, you know, you can have had a certain past and then you could change it.
	I mean, truthfully, I don't really.
	If you want to have threesomes, I don't really have any objections there.
	Yeah, but I think that some people are against that that are more.
	I'm against that 100%.
	Yeah, see?
	I don't want to get logged down.
	I don't understand at all how the idea that can you guys stop talking over there?
	That your past could be brought up here when it comes to these decisions as it relates to dating.
	Somehow that's taboo.
	But this idea that you would be open to having a three-way is not taboo.
	I really don't understand that at all.
	Well, because I, like I said, I'm not proud of and regret the past decisions.
	This is something that I'm.
	Why the fuck would you be not proud of any of those?
	If you're willing to have a three-way, what the hell?
	Who gives a shit about whatever these other tangential things are?
	Who cares?
	Like, why would that even be a big deal?
	If you're willing to share your man, let him fuck other women in front of you.
	Why in the world would whatever your past is be in any way problematic?
	I don't even understand that.
	Like you're willing to watch him suck another dude off in front of you, but the past, the past, that's a little too problematic.
	I really do need to understand this.
	That why I'm okay with threesomes and not okay with my past.
	I assume, I will, yeah.
	I assume that you say, okay, well, this former thing I did, I felt some shame about.
	That's why you don't like it, right?
	But currently you're willing to sit in the cup chair while your husband does another chick.
	Is that correct?
	I don't think that that scenario would turn out that way.
	But I do.
	Which way, how would this scenario turn out?
	I wouldn't be sitting in a chair.
	Right.
	No, no, no.
	You'd be participating, right?
	But if you were participating and you were watching, you would be watching your husband bang another chick or your significant other banging their chick in front of you.
	So I think that men are designed biologically to want to be with lots of women.
	I think that's just designed that way biologically with their DNA in a hope to spread their seed more, to replicate their DNA, right?
	That's just biological.
	I just don't think it's okay to be with another man, but I think that sometimes if you can open that up in your relationship, it can be really fulfilling and prevent cheating sometimes as well.
	Yeah, okay.
	I mean, I'm just going to kind of grant all of the idea that men want to sleep with multiple women and this and that.
	I have no problem just granting all this.
	What I do have a problem granting is what in the world could you possibly look at in your past that you would consider to be shameful if you're okay sharing your husband with or significant other with another woman?
	How is that not kind of the ultimate form of shame?
	Because that's a private thing that you've both agreed upon in your relationship.
	Not yeah, but I know what I mean.
	That's not any less shameful.
	There's cucks who agree to allow their wife to get banged by other dudes.
	That doesn't make it less shameful because it's private.
	I think a man letting his wife be touched by another man is very different than a girl having a wife having a threesome with her.
	Oh, I would love to hear what the delineation is.
	Sorry.
	Really?
	I just, it's kind of mind-blowing that you can't determine, like, you don't see a difference with the two.
	Yeah, that's not an argument.
	Just saying, oh, I'm incredulous about your incredulity is not an argument.
	I'd actually like to know what is the distinction between you being the cuck and him being the cuck.
	What is the distinction?
	If he's plowing another chick and you're allowing him to do it, how can I ever gauge that you are a person who has self-respect if I would never consider a man who would allow the same the other way?
	I'd never give him any form of self-respect.
	Isn't a cuck, like by definition, a guy who like gets off on watching his wife be with another man?
	Yeah, wouldn't this be the exact same thing in reverse?
	No, I'm not saying that it's getting like, I'm not watching.
	First of all, I'm participating.
	And second of all, it is something that's fulfilling him, not fulfilling me.
	Absolutely.
	So if a man is participating while his wife is getting banged, then he's not a cuck?
	I don't really have experience in that scenario.
	So that's just not something I would be into.
	If a man is participating in his wife getting banged and he's participating in that, he's not a cuck now, or he is still a cuck.
	I think it's probably different than being a cuck, maybe, but it's still not something I would be okay with.
	How is that different?
	A cuck is allowing somebody else to plow your chick.
	That's what a cuck is.
	Okay, for sure.
	I thought it was just watching.
	To plow your chick, you're a cuck.
	How would this not be just like basically reverse cuckism?
	Right?
	Well, I just think that in my scenario of two girls and a guy, with it being like your significant other, that for me, like I really enjoy fulfilling.
	It's fulfilling to me to like make my man happy.
	If that's something that makes him happy, if he said to me, it would really make me happy to have another dude, I would say no.
	My past bad decisions are shameful and be hidden from society.
	My future bad decisions are open for discussion.
	You've got the mental maturity of a toddler.
	Stove hot.
	Maybe I shouldn't touch it again.
	Thank you, Lord.
	Okay, thank you.
	Good to see you in the chat, man.
	I mean, honestly, I was more interested if there were.
	You said you still have some sexually liberal viewpoints.
	Yeah, I thought that was threesomes.
	Is that it?
	Yeah.
	Oh, okay.
	I thought there was more.
	Do you want to, Andrew?
	Do you have more on this?
	That's it.
	Yeah, I'm still struggling here with the delineation point.
	Why is there an actual difference if your husband wanted to watch you get banged by another dude?
	Why would that be different, really, than you allowing him to bang another chair?
	I don't really understand what the distinction here is.
	I mean, I think that, like, there's not really societies, there are like societies where a man has had multiple wives.
	There's multiple societies around the world and in history where that is acceptable, right?
	But you don't ever see it the other way around.
	So I guess it just is that way.
	Yeah, that's an appeal to history, right?
	It's fallacious argumentation on its face.
	You're just appealing to how things used to be.
	You're not telling us why they should be that way.
	They are that way because that's just the way that it is.
	It's fallen in line that way.
	And I think they're different.
	Oh, it is what it is?
	No, they're obviously different.
	Listen, listen, it doesn't tell me anything to say to me.
	So let me give you some more history.
	Here's some great history as well.
	The West has stayed monogamous under some form of Catholicism for almost time immemorial.
	Catholicism made the demand that the West stay monogamous, meaning one man, one woman.
	So you're kind of appealing past even the identity of the West, which has mandated this basically forever, right?
	Wouldn't that be more of our history than the idea of having these kind of open relationships where you can just screw whoever you want?
	I think that there's many successful couples that have, this has worked for them, and it's not whoever you want.
	It's maybe what you guys have defined is okay with both of you.
	So it's not just whoever.
	I mean, maybe some relationships are like that.
	They're just open to whoever.
	That wouldn't be something that I would be interested in.
	Okay, okay.
	So let me back up.
	I'm just going to make this as concise as I can because it's very evasive what's happening.
	I feel like you're doing everything you can to kind of duck the question.
	So I'm just going to be as blunt and concise as I can be.
	A man having sex with two women is different than a woman having sex with two men.
	How?
	Well, it are we talking about just strangers?
	Are we talking about a married couple?
	Any couple.
	Or any variation, any configuration of couple you can possibly think of.
	How is this?
	What is the difference here?
	Because I think I don't think, I mean, a man doesn't want to see, it's not desirable for a woman to be with multiple men, and a man wouldn't want to see that because they're naturally possessive and want what's theirs.
	But for a woman to share, I think, is different.
	Like a man does like that, that probably makes him feel really good.
	And like, then it would logically follow that if the idea is because this is what men like to see, that if a man would like to see his wife getting plowed by another man, what exactly could ever be your objection to that?
	I'm not saying that.
	I'm just talking about my own personal preference.
	That can be a scenario that some couples are okay with, and I'm sure it is.
	It's not for me.
	Okay, but you think, but I just want to make sure that we're totally clear.
	The only delineation point that you can see is how this isn't basically exactly the same thing in reverse, because that's exactly what it is in reverse.
	It's just that men prefer it not to be that way.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	All right.
	I mean, does anybody agree or disagree with me?
	Let's just move on.
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	Oh.
	Chicks and MILF.
	I'm not sure how to respond to that.
	I think that's a fair point.
	I guess I don't totally disagree, but I don't know.
	I'm not entirely sure how to respond.
	Fair point.
	Okay.
	I guess.
	I don't know.
	All right.
	Thank you, Giovanni.
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	Is that a just accessible for degeneracy?
	Why are so many of girls sex workers or just scam men?
	Why is she mad about stripping?
	Your son should be ashamed.
	That one really hurt.
	Yeah.
	Do you want to respond?
	Just, you know, like.
	Yeah.
	He might end up being.
	Like, I really only care about what my kids think and nobody else really.
	So, you know, maybe it wasn't the best decision to come on here.
	Like I said, I thought we might have talked about other things that I was more interested in talking about.
	But yeah, you know, we have a very close bond and he's getting older and I'm sure he's going to realize, you know, he has a hot mom.
	He's going to be getting into high school that he's going to have to deal with a lot of stuff.
	So.
	Chicks and MILF.
	How is this?
	How is this not a political topic?
	This is a very hot political topic, in fact.
	You're talking about the discussion of traditional families, marriage, the structure of society itself.
	It couldn't be a more political topic.
	And so if you say on the politics front that you're okay with non-monogamous relationships where they're opened up to having other sexual partners, you are talking about the social order and the political order of society.
	I don't even understand why those would be distinct in your bro.
	What political topics did you want to talk about exactly?
	Let's see.
	Gender roles a lot, I guess.
	It's the thing that we can't say the thing that it, the agenda.
	What agenda?
	The agenda?
	I can't say that.
	Yeah, I don't want to talk about that.
	All right, yeah.
	So things that nobody wants to talk about.
	Wait, hold on.
	Are you talking like trans stuff?
	Oh, yeah, that stuff.
	Yeah.
	Okay, I'll just say, you said LGBTQ, but you would fuck a woman in the threesome?
	Yeah.
	What do we mean?
	What are we talking about here?
	Wait, you said, okay, I'm not visiting.
	I'm trying to talk about LGBTQ, but you'll have a threesome.
	Yeah, I said I didn't like the agenda.
	Like, I don't like how it's being pushed in schools.
	I don't like how it's everywhere.
	That's not really within the purview of the podcast.
	Oh, okay.
	I'm not inclined to talk about it.
	Well, wait a minute.
	Well, what even, what about the agenda would be wrong, right?
	Like all you're all you're doing is griping about same-sex people saying that it's perfectly acceptable for them to be engaged in same-sex activity, and yet here you're saying it's perfectly acceptable for you to be engaged in same-sex activity.
	Like, I don't even understand what would even be the complaint.
	It's not just saying, like, accept that we like that.
	It's just putting like shoving it down your throats.
	Like, it's fine to do things like behind closed doors or to say, I want equal, like, to say I'm in a relationship with a woman, like, great.
	But to like have parade and do all that stuff.
	Podcast.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	All right.
	I don't know why you would come on this podcast thinking that's what we're going to talk about.
	I'm sorry.
	It's a dating podcast.
	I know, but I noticed that those topics have come up before.
	So I don't think that that specific topic.
	Like the trans stuff, because you've had trans guests.
	So cooking.
	No, we have to do that.
	That has nothing at all.
	Homosexuality, just so you know.
	You can be a transgender person, not be a homosexual, correct?
	Yeah, but it's part of the letters.
	It's all the thing.
	Yeah, so I mean, but you could just infinitely add on to that, right?
	Right.
	You can say whatever you want.
	Yeah.
	It could be added in addition to this, but it really has nothing to do ultimately.
	Just because that's a tagline doesn't actually mean anything, right?
	Yeah, so moving things on, you said that you're very conservative politically, more liberal sexual dating viewpoints.
	You agree with a lot of what the host's opinions.
	You think something that you'd love to discuss is how people can change.
	Yeah.
	I certainly have over the years.
	And I feel the host and Chase, more specifically, mind you, Chase has not been on in almost a year.
	See, I know.
	Are very dismissive to the thought of dating someone who may have a lot of experience but has truly changed.
	Yeah.
	So you're talking like a man who doesn't want to date a woman.
	Who may have done stuff like work in her past like that?
	What's wrong with that?
	Wait, you said work?
	What would actually be wrong with that?
	No, there's nothing wrong with that.
	It's just that I feel like, you know, when I look back on being a vegan, for instance, I'm just like, it was the most annoying part of my life.
	Like I was so annoying, like just talking about it all the time, just trying to push it on people all the time.
	Like you can really, really change.
	And I think it should be more based off of who the person is now and what their opinions are now and their perspectives if they can also be honest with you in a personal one-on-one about their past and leave it up for you to decide.
	But instead of blanketly saying no, what's wrong with that?
	I don't think there's anything wrong with a blanket, like if you ever did this in your past, I entirely disregard you, even if you are an amazing, fantastic person today.
	Now, if you used to do OF or porn or strip, you can be saved.
	You can be redeemed.
	Yes.
	But men do not need to then disregard your past and go on to date you and marry you.
	These two things are compatible.
	Or do you think men are obliged to date redeemed women?
	No, definitely not obliged to.
	But I mean, that's a hard.
	If a woman wears pink socks, I can reject her on that basis alone.
	I can reject a woman for any reason I want.
	You can.
	Just in the same way that women will reject men for a wide variety of completely arbitrary and benign reasons, men are allowed to do the same.
	I agree.
	But the woman with pink socks maybe is going to make you the best tacos that you've ever had in your life.
	So I'm just saying that you guys are closing yourselves off to possibility of some potentially really great qualities and really great experiences.
	That's all.
	Right, but it's just a total incompatibility if here's my standard.
	I don't date women who are or have been involved in sex work.
	Don't care how fantastic she is.
	This is a boundary.
	This is a standard.
	Okay.
	She could conceivably be the most compatible and we would otherwise have a fantastic relationship.
	But on this basis alone, I refuse to even engage with her, even knowing she could be fantastic.
	It is just a deal-breaker for me.
	What's actually wrong with that?
	Well, there's nothing wrong with it.
	I'm just saying that it's a little closed-minded.
	Why is it closed-minded?
	It's just reflective of what you're looking for.
	You mean the same way that women are incredibly good?
	I would never date a vegan, and I would never date.
	Who's more picky, men or women?
	Women, I think.
	Well, y'all are super closed-minded about all the things that you look for in a man.
	We literally said that.
	Maybe you guys should consider dating a guy who's shorter.
	Maybe you should consider a guy who doesn't make X amount of money.
	Well, it's what you said.
	I like that.
	I would totally do that.
	I'm just saying, I'm speaking in generalities.
	Right.
	So, right.
	But I'm speaking, like, personally, I'm just saying you might be missing out on some amazing women.
	So, like, you have to understand though.
	So, if you were engaged in this kind of work, regardless of how fantastic you are now, most men are not going to appreciate their future wife having nude photos of them on the internet.
	That's forever.
	You can't take that back.
	And then your future children are not going to appreciate that too.
	Yeah.
	That's why I would never have an OnlyFans.
	I just wouldn't do that.
	You said you did a girl on girl.
	Right.
	That was different.
	Time.
	Probably out there somewhere.
	Yeah.
	And.
	Was it video or picture?
	I was in a magazine.
	It wasn't video?
	Magazine of Threesome?
	How is that possible?
	No.
	No, no, no.
	That wasn't.
	The threesome conversation was something different.
	But I mean, like, okay, so I just don't understand why is it like closed-minded?
	Because it's closed-minded because you're dismissing an entire like, okay, for instance, and there's lots of.
	So?
	Okay.
	What's wrong with that?
	Yeah, you can.
	You can't.
	No, but what is actually wrong with dismissing an entire cohort of people?
	No, you totally can.
	I do that all the time.
	I don't like to date guys in California.
	So there we go.
	There's kind of an even worse entailment here.
	Like, for instance, would you ever drink ayahuasca tea and then go naked kayaking with a group of strangers?
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	You might be frightened that a man will cheat, but any man okay with doing that does not love you and does not respect you and is the type to cheat.
	Threesome topic.
	Yeah, we can back up to that, but like, would you drink ayahuasca tea and then there's a kayak full of naked strangers?
	Probably wouldn't.
	Yeah, probably not, but I mean, isn't that being closed-minded?
	No, I've just said probably.
	I didn't say I would for sure never do that.
	Oh, okay.
	Well, would you not inclined to do it?
	Would you by chance go and get into a gangbang with 15 different guys at the same time while it was being filmed?
	Absolutely not filmed or not.
	Oh, wait, wait, well, wait.
	Aren't you being closed-minded?
	No, I just said that's fine.
	You're right.
	I just said that's fine.
	I said that I do that as well.
	Would you date a man who previously had sex with men?
	No, absolutely not.
	But he's bi.
	He's not gay.
	He's bi.
	No.
	So he is attracted to women.
	Nope.
	Well, that's very close-minded of you.
	I think girl on, you know, girls with girls is different.
	I'm not even making that argument.
	I'm saying I think guys like totally different.
	But you could be missing out on a really fantastic rate.
	You're right.
	So now I'm seeing where you're coming from.
	Absolutely not.
	Would never do that.
	Never.
	Right.
	So I get it.
	So that's a standard for me.
	Well, this is what I mean.
	The idea, I would agree with you.
	There is all sorts of potential, I suppose, experiences or things that you could be missing out on.
	Yeah.
	But the thing is, is that why isn't that true of literally everything?
	It is.
	It is.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, it is.
	So.
	Maybe that should be.
	Could be.
	Oh, let me let the chats come in and I pause them temporarily.
	Yo, Hillary, thank you.
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	Repent and regret are not the same thing.
	Your son watches.
	He knows.
	Admit you made a mistake and educate him and the sex workers in the audience of how it's a terrible idea.
	You can set an example.
	Yeah, I agree.
	It is a mistake, and I'm not naive enough to think that he's never going to find out.
	So, yeah, I think it is important, though, ladies, to think about your future families and things like that.
	There's too many and well met.
	Thank you, lovely.
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	I refuse to date former murderers.
	I guess it just makes me close-minded.
	I might be missing out on some really great threesomes.
	Lady, you keep saying conservative.
	Do you even know the definition?
	Okay, thank you.
	All right.
	Yes.
	There's another one coming in.
	Law Paladins, good to see you in the chat man.
	Appreciate the TTS.
	What a great avatar.
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	Never give up on yourself.
	Life is only as hard as you choose to make it.
	I'm going to kill her of cereal.
	I'm going to find you.
	I really like that.
	To give you a custom thing, because you're a frequent TTS are like Lol Paladins and Grid 1.
	Where is he, anyways?
	I'll do one.
	We need to find him.
	Account Chocolate.
	Yeah, I was thinking cereal, like maybe somebody stabbing like a kick to crunch.
	You captain crunch.
	Captain Crunch, yeah, something like that.
	Maybe the ding will be like, they're great.
	I don't know.
	Thank you, Killer of Cereal.
	Appreciate it, man.
	So, yeah.
	I don't know.
	Why, do you have a thing for Chase?
	No, I don't.
	I could link you guys up if you want.
	No.
	No, you're not.
	Hold.
	Well, hold on.
	This gets into the other notes here.
	Because you said that you have a lot of dating experiences.
	Yeah.
	And you dated a lot of younger guys since you've been in your 30s.
	Yeah.
	Including an 18-year-old once.
	Yes.
	Yeah, I did.
	I did do that.
	Did he go to your daughter's high school?
	No, I went to Texas.
	Oh, Texas.
	Wait, you went to Texas?
	How did you meet this guy?
	I had met him when I was on the dating app in Texas.
	Wait, when you were in Texas or when you were yours?
	No, I'm on the dating app here.
	I set my location.
	Say your location to Texas.
	What was the age range that you said it to?
	Oh, like 18 to 65.
	Okay, cougar over here.
	MILF!
	But I've actually only dated two guys my age.
	milk and then wait your whole life you've Your age or older?
	Have you ever?
	Around my age.
	What's the oldest guy you dated?
	Like it would be my kid's dad, he was seven years older than me.
	When you were 18?
	Okay.
	you dated wait so you're oh i'm sorry No, when I was 16, when I was 16, I had, yeah, no.
	When you were 16, you dated a guy seven years older than you?
	No, not, no.
	Much worse.
	And it's not, it's not, yeah, it's not great.
	It was bad.
	It was not.
	Okay.
	Should have not talked about that because of the age.
	Okay, well, but you dated an 18-year-old.
	So you flew out to Texas to date an 18-year-old?
	No, not to that.
	Like I mentioned, I have a lot of family and friends there, so that's why it was convenient for me to set up the location there.
	Go out there and visit, maybe meet some of the guys that I'd been talking to for months.
	How many of you guys did you meet?
	Are you a teacher by chance?
	No.
	Okay.
	Wait, how many?
	I'm a massage therapist.
	how many times how many times have you gone out to texas oh well i just crazy um Yeah.
	He was almost 19, by the way.
	But how many times have I gone out there?
	Maybe nine times in the past.
	Nine times?
	Because you said when you go out there to Texas, you'll meet up with all the guys that you're talking to.
	Well, actually, not necessarily.
	It doesn't.
	I was dating.
	I've dated some guys consistently for just a month.
	Just talk to those guys two months, go out there and meet them.
	It doesn't work out.
	Do they fly you out?
	Or do you?
	It's been both.
	Because like I said, sometimes I go and visit my family.
	Cousins?
	I've triplet cousins that live there.
	Wow.
	They must be wondering, like, why the fuck is she coming to see us?
	She really loves us.
	They knew that I wanted to check out the area.
	They knew that I wanted to check out.
	All of a sudden, she's been very interested in us as cousins.
	No, they knew that I was thinking about moving into the area.
	And I have some friends that are in the world.
	So the 18-year-old, you went on one date with him?
	Yeah, we were talking.
	You were still in high school?
	No.
	Okay.
	We were talking for a couple months.
	And I don't know.
	I'm just like such a sucker for romance and stuff.
	And he was like, I love you.
	And I was like, no, you don't.
	That's crazy.
	Damn.
	W 18-year-old Riz, I guess.
	I don't know.
	I love you.
	I thought he was really sweet.
	Oh, man.
	Did you smash?
	He did.
	Or did you watch?
	Was it a one-time thing?
	Was the sex bad?
	Um, no.
	Hail and well met.
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	Nice.
	Blown out, blown out, shown out.
	Men don't commit.
	Why would you, when they whore themselves out when they like you?
	You know, just so you know, I was really like thinking about like, like we were talking about like future plans and stuff.
	It wasn't like, let me go out there and do this one time.
	I know it seems stupid because he was so young, but he was like, he had a really great construction job.
	He took some MILF.
	You know, it's like, I'm not going to discount.
	Like I said earlier, I'm not just, I don't care that much about like the whole money situation.
	Like he wanted, he was a good hard worker.
	These are values that I care about.
	He was a really like, do you think an 18-year-old is looking at like I want well, that's what he thought.
	I try to, I mean, I said that.
	Did you end things or did he?
	I guess it just kind of like fizzled after.
	Some unfortunately, donated $100.
	Should it give you the ick to date an 18-year-old boy?
	The same as dating an 18-year-old girl.
	Their prefrontal cortex isn't even formed yet.
	Well, I don't think I don't have a problem with it the other way.
	Yeah.
	If it was a reasonable one.
	Well, let me ask the painting.
	I don't have a problem.
	Just with a very fast show of hands, is that sort of age gap, if it was a man and an 18-year-old girl, appropriate by a show of hands?
	Do you think that that's okay?
	Wait.
	Is it okay if a guy dates a younger girl that's 18?
	You guys are saying it's okay?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	I think it's a good idea.
	Totally fine.
	Okay.
	I don't have any objections over the age gap, to be honest.
	I just, it's a little more uncommon for women.
	No, It's predatory.
	And what's happening here is that you're taking advantage of this poor, well, poor, really.
	If you want to think about it.
	Poor baby.
	Just a freshly 18, a boy, really.
	No, he wasn't freshly 18.
	Right to the core of it, and you're taking advantage of him for the sole purpose of his body.
	And you don't even care about what kind of, what kind of horrible fucking monster does this really?
	Does it give you the ick, Andrew?
	Does it give you the ick?
	I got the ick, Brian.
	I got the ick.
	It gives him the ick.
	Can you actually, you know, think of a re like, is there any actual moral objection here?
	Or just gives you the ick, Andrew.
	There is.
	I do have a wonderful moral objection to this, but until it actually comes up on the whatever podcast for me to give my moral objection, I'm not going to.
	So for now, it gives me the ick.
	It gives him the ick.
	It gives me the ick.
	Wait, so who's against?
	She nailed it.
	Dang out.
	Do it again.
	You hit it.
	Wait, who's against age gap relationships?
	I mean, I don't know.
	Okay, here's the scenario: 35-year-old, 20-year-old.
	Against?
	But is it boy and girl?
	Against?
	Male 35, woman, 20.
	No.
	No.
	I thought you were again.
	Okay.
	No.
	20?
	20, yeah.
	I felt like 20 is a push-ass art.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	It's cool.
	It's a what?
	It's what?
	It's appropriate.
	It's cool.
	Okay.
	Fine.
	But it gets you the ick?
	No, I don't get the ick.
	I was just like thinking this kind of hired Lauren, I think it's one.
	No.
	I mean, I would never date younger myself, personally.
	Well, I sure get the ick, Brian.
	I get the ick.
	It's just, it's just disgusting by every metric.
	I can't believe these hyper predatory women who prey on these poor, hapless, freshly 18 kids.
	Almost 19.
	These fucking monsters, Brian.
	I just, I can't even imagine.
	Yeah.
	But you said when you go out to Texas, you will meet up with the guys who you're talking to.
	I've talked to like at a time, like one at a time, like dated.
	So I've had some crazy.
	Stop the cow.
	I'm not.
	No.
	You are fucking liarious.
	I'm really like, I really like thought.
	I was like, this guy's like the one.
	This guy's like perfect friend.
	18-year-old.
	I even thought that about him.
	Call me delusional, but like he really talked me up.
	Am I too old for you?
	He said he didn't care when we're older.
	Is that dinosaur?
	Like, I'm 35.
	Am I too old?
	Am I geriatric for you?
	I'm just curious.
	I'm just careful.
	It's just like, okay, so a couple of those guys that I thought were like for sure, It's just like crazy.
	They're like, crazy things happened.
	Like one of them, we didn't even get to, we didn't even get to meet.
	And all of a sudden he sent me a video and said, like, I thought this.
	A dick pic?
	No, I never even, no.
	Oh.
	Yeah.
	Like, I really thought we'd been FaceTiming for like two months.
	And he would, like, it seemed like things were going great.
	I was like, wow, this is so easy.
	I just got this idea in my head about this Texas thing, moving there, finding a husband.
	And like, wow, I found a guy.
	And then I don't know what happened in his life.
	I'll never know.
	He sent me a video, like, crying.
	I went out there, sent me a video saying he's going through something.
	He wasn't crying, but he was like tearing up.
	He said he's going through something.
	He just couldn't talk about it.
	Wait, how old was it?
	No, this guy was just my, was one of the guys that was my age.
	He was a year younger than me, actually.
	He was crying?
	No, he wasn't crying.
	He was just something happened.
	What was up with all these dudes crying?
	He wasn't crying, but something, I don't know what happened, and who knows what happened.
	Like, I have no idea.
	We didn't even, hadn't even met yet.
	And for two months, we've been FaceTiming and talking.
	And I really thought, like, this is great, you know?
	But then I don't know what happened in his life.
	So he was just like, no.
	Another guy I really thought was going to be the one.
	What's wrong with you?
	I see that in the video.
	Oh, no, no, I know.
	I wonder that too.
	You know, okay, for instance, yeah.
	Okay.
	I know what's wrong with me.
	Yeah.
	You know, what's wrong with you?
	Okay.
	I know.
	It's just going to sound so stupid.
	Like, I did have a boyfriend that broke up with me for being too nice.
	Oh, my.
	Okay.
	that happened.
	I think I could be like, my only weakness is I'm, I have no weakness.
	I think I could be, like, intimidating.
	I think it's not because.
	Intimidating?
	Because.
	Because I'm so like happy and positive.
	Intimidating.
	You mean like too friendly?
	Yeah, I think that they're like flirtatiously.
	Well, Paladin's donated $100.02.
	This poor Texas child is going to have to go on the podcast and talk about his trauma 10 years from now.
	I do guarantee one thing.
	He wasn't a fat Warcraft player.
	She didn't F him for his personality.
	Hey, he might be aware of that.
	People have to understand that when you're flawless and perfect in every way.
	I'm not.
	I'm not.
	It becomes intimidating towards everybody who's around you.
	It wasn't nice that you didn't realize that.
	That's not what it is.
	I think it's like, I've been, I'm just going off of feedback that I've gotten because I've been rejected a lot because I think it's intimidating that I'm like, oh, hey, I think you're really attractive.
	Like, would you like my number?
	Would you like to, you know what I mean?
	I think that in itself, in and of itself, is sometimes intimidating because guys aren't used to that.
	And then I've gotten guys that like think I'm trying to like scam them or something.
	And I'm like, what am I trying to scam you out of?
	They're like, why would you be like, why would you talk to me?
	And I'm like, I don't know.
	I was just like, I really thought you like had a group.
	We had similar values on the app.
	And I'm trying to be open-minded.
	And like, I don't know why you think I'm trying to scam you.
	I don't know what the scam is.
	What the hell?
	Okay, that's cool.
	That's cool.
	Yeah.
	Oh, Maddie had a question that she wanted to ask.
	So if a guy doesn't want to date you for your body count, do you think he's like insecure?
	We kind of went over this earlier, right?
	Didn't I?
	I think so.
	Talked about like security and stuff.
	Does body count matter?
	Like if it matters to him?
	Are you?
	I don't think that.
	Wait, wait, wait.
	Let's start right.
	Oh, sorry.
	I thought she was looking at me, so I thought she was talking to me.
	Go ahead.
	No, I don't think it shows any insecurity.
	No, that's like his preference.
	Agreed.
	Don't think it's insecure.
	I don't think it shows insecurities.
	I agree with them.
	I agree.
	Yeah.
	It's preference.
	Maddie, follow clip.
	So, what's everyone's body count?
	Minus 10.
	I'm not sharing that.
	Yeah, I would share.
	You want to range?
	It's like 78.
	Okay.
	I would never answer that.
	I was in a relationship from 18 to 30.
	I was like Rapunzel in a tower.
	So maybe that's why I literally was.
	Like, I was in a very not a great kind of abusive relationship.
	So I was never able to do anything.
	I breastfed my kids for five years.
	They never had a bottle.
	They never had a pacifier.
	I never even went to a bar until I was like in my late 20s.
	So in my 30s.
	Yeah, I've been enjoying this whole MILF thing.
	I've been enjoying it.
	And I'm not going to.
	I have a MILF.
	Hell fucking yeah.
	Like 20.
	Sorry, how much?
	Like 20.
	Like 20?
	Okay.
	Under eight.
	NA.
	No answer.
	How many do we have?
	Range?
	How about range?
	No answer.
	More than 50?
	No answer.
	Multiply it by three, and that's the real number.
	Okay.
	So three.
	All right.
	Well, zero takes drinks.
	For the sake of pure transparency, I did earlier, and for people in the future, you can rewind my broadcast to see this, but about three hours ago, I said that I thought that the entire precursor for why you had made all of these caveats and why you thought that men were missing out and various things like this when it came to promiscuous women was that all of that was a precursor so that you did not have to actually share your body count.
	And then it turns out that I was absolutely correct.
	We get to you in a body count, and of course, you don't want to actually share the body count.
	Was a lot of that just kind of foreshadowing for the fact that you knew that that question was coming and you did not want to actually share the answer?
	It was a lot.
	I'm sorry.
	I don't understand that.
	It was a lot, Andrew.
	Something I said foreshadowed.
	Not you, not you.
	I'm talking to the gal we were just in the wall with him.
	I was so confused.
	Not Andrew's audience.
	I was like, yo, like, we're having a lot of fun.
	No, I did know that that question was probably going to come, but no, I just find it like, I just, I just don't like the language.
	It would be like, tell me to describe in detail like what your breasts look like.
	Like, it's just, I don't like the wording.
	Like, I just, I don't like it.
	Would you answer how many threesubs you've been in?
	I wouldn't be able to.
	Have you ever been in?
	I haven't kept track.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, wait, wait, you've been in so many, you don't know how many?
	You haven't kept track of threesomes.
	No, I was in a two-year relationship with my last serious boyfriend, and that was my first time exploring that in a relationship.
	And that's nothing open-minded.
	It was a good experience, and we had.
	I mean, I know how that goes.
	Like, I lost track of all the threesomes that I've had, too.
	It's a very forgivable thing, you know?
	Sometimes you have like 20 or 30 or 70 threesomes in your life.
	I was trying to forget.
	I just wasn't keeping track.
	It slips out of the mic.
	I was in a two-year relationship.
	Andrew drinks a lot too when he has threesomes.
	It has to be a lot of fun.
	That's true.
	That's fair.
	Yeah.
	He drinks a lot of vodka.
	So it's hard for him to remember.
	Hard for him to remember.
	It's very difficult.
	I was in a relationship with one man, and we had several in that relationship.
	Have you ever had two dudes?
	A DP?
	Have you had a devil's threesome?
	No, I have not.
	Not interested in that scenario.
	All right.
	Okay.
	So are there, are there more.
	Would that be considered like a DP or something?
	That's not necessary.
	Not necessarily.
	It's like two guys, right?
	And one girl.
	That's the same thing.
	Double penetration.
	It's just like haram, but you know.
	We have Anna getting to back to.
	Oh, what the fuck?
	Anna's notes.
	You said you have a lot of crazy dating stories you want to care to share.
	Like three.
	Well, my ex was like a two-time felon.
	Sweet.
	You said you dated a guy for a year who was crazy all catalogues.
	Yeah, that's him.
	He got arrested.
	He was like eight months, exactly.
	He got arrested and had two felonies before I broke up with him.
	What was he arrested for?
	Stabbing someone.
	Stabbing?
	Hold on.
	Stabbing.
	Stabbing.
	But like, I don't have a button for that.
	Like, fatally?
	No.
	Like, fatally?
	Did he stab you?
	No, he didn't stab me.
	But then he actually wanted to do an open relationship, like Polly Hamory, like five months into our relationship.
	How soon into the relationship did you know he was crazy?
	Like a month.
	And you stayed?
	I just didn't have any standards.
	Okay.
	But yeah.
	So wait, he got arrested once or twice?
	He got arrested once, but it was like two charges.
	Two what?
	It was two felony charges.
	Like stabbing two individual people.
	No, it's just like the way they do the charges.
	I don't know exactly.
	You could charge for two things, so he probably did a stabbing charge.
	He got like six charges total, but two of them were stabbing.
	Like desecration of a corpse or something like that.
	Just casual desecration.
	Okay, you said you also dated a guy almost 10 years older than you.
	He ended up wanting to buy the same car as Ted Bundy?
	Yeah, he was really into serial killers, and so he basically was like, he was just randomly like, yeah, like one of my life goals is to buy Ted Bundy's car and I can drive you around in it.
	Watch!
	Where do you find these guys?
	Was he a serial killer?
	I don't think so.
	He was nice.
	Oh, okay.
	Wait, how old were you when you dated him?
	I was 19.
	He was like.
	So he's like 29 or something.
	27-ish.
	28, something like that.
	All right.
	Any other crazy dating stories from you?
	I would say those are definitely the craziest.
	Oh, Nick, can you pull up her Instagram?
	By the way, I wanted to do a little brief dive on it.
	It's Anna.
	Anna's her name.
	Yeah.
	Whenever.
	He's got it.
	You got it?
	He's almost got it.
	Does anybody have who's watched the show any disagreements besides those that have?
	Yeah, sure.
	Okay, so scroll down a little bit.
	Scroll down a little bit.
	Ooh, little baddie.
	Who's that?
	Okay.
	One of my friends.
	Oh, little.
	Okay.
	All right.
	And then, wait, what?
	So, Nick, click the picture with the dog.
	That's right.
	Okay.
	That's really cute.
	Three months before COVID.
	All right.
	X out of that.
	And scroll back up.
	Hail and well met.
	Oh, bro.
	Low paladins donated $100.02.
	Thank you, ma'am.
	How am I supposed to compete with these past experiences?
	This is what men mean by younger women who have less baggage.
	I don't want to have to murder four people just to be your most exciting partner.
	Is that wrong?
	Anna, your response?
	I feel like somebody else could be more exciting because they haven't attempted to murder four people.
	Oh.
	That's not really a flex.
	That's not cool.
	That's fair.
	Pull it back up, Nick.
	Just scroll all the way to the bottom again, please.
	Okay, X out of that.
	Okay, and then scroll all the way up.
	And then, like, so what happened?
	Like, here's this wholesome photo with a dog.
	College.
	You went to college.
	Look at what happens, boys.
	I came to Santa Barbara.
	Where are you in an are you at a Halloween party in an office empty like the back rooms?
	Click on that photo.
	What is that?
	The fucking back rooms?
	No, it's the dorms.
	This is such a liminal.
	Like, I mean, remove you.
	It's kind of liminal.
	It's on a pool table at the door.
	Oh, it's a pool table.
	I thought it was the floor.
	Oh, I did.
	I was like, why is there green carpet, moldy, wet carpet?
	Okay, whatever.
	I didn't see that.
	Whatever.
	So, what happened between wholesome dog photo in a sweater to like here?
	I am standing on a pool table in a dorm room.
	What happened?
	What happened then that we're concerned?
	What happened?
	I moved out of my parents' house, came to Santa Barbara.
	UCSP is a crazy place.
	You see it very crazy.
	Trauma in there.
	Throw a little dating trauma.
	Went to college.
	Yeah.
	Many such cases.
	Many.
	Brian.
	We have to actually go.
	I'm so sorry.
	I accept your apology.
	I accept your apology.
	Thank you, guys.
	No, but you're the best.
	You're like the best we've ever had.
	You're the best.
	Can you stay for another 30 minutes while we wrap the show up?
	Yeah, we're almost done.
	We're almost done.
	Listen, don't you guys.
	Well, it's giving me the ick if you leave.
	If you guys leave, it gives me the ick.
	I need another shot.
	Get the screen.
	Yeah, take me to the alcohol.
	Get her.
	Get her some alcohol.
	Listen, you guys.
	You guys are veterans.
	You guys are veterans.
	You know, you've stayed out, you know, till 1, 2, 3 a.m. in the morning, partying, stripping, taking your clothes off, getting dollar bills thrown at you.
	You guys can handle it.
	You guys got this.
	This is amateur hour for you guys.
	You guys can't.
	34 minutes.
	You guys are fine.
	You'll do great.
	Just listen.
	True, right?
	If you're dozing off while you're driving home, you've got like 15 more minutes in me, I swear.
	Just make sure you take a look at it.
	Yeah, I know.
	30 minutes.
	Yeah, yeah.
	30 minutes.
	Like 15.
	Like 50 minutes.
	No big deal.
	Like 60 minutes.
	45 minutes, and we'll split the difference at 30.
	That sounds fair.
	Yeah, no.
	See?
	This is why.
	Why anon donated $100 to threesome girl?
	So you say girl on girl sexual experiences are okay, but guy on guy not okay.
	Please explain how that makes sense.
	Sounds wildly hypocritical.
	Well, I think this is call me a hypocrite.
	This is what Andrew was kind of trying to get at a little bit.
	Yeah, maybe.
	But yeah, it's just.
	I know, I just, I don't, I mean, call me hypocritical, man.
	I don't know how you could not see that there's a difference between girl on girl and guy on guy.
	Wow.
	I don't.
	And you've never actually made the delineation for her, except like she just perceived it differently.
	That's it.
	Get her some booze.
	I mean, do you guys think there's a difference between girl on girl and guy on girl?
	You know what?
	I'll actually, yes, I agree.
	Okay.
	I agree.
	Thank you.
	Vector donated $100.
	I am a 38-year-old virgin.
	Yes, we do exist.
	However, because of this society that has no concrete morals or values, I do not have virgin eyes.
	My eyes lost their virginity when I was a kid.
	Abdul.
	Yeah, that brings up a great point, Vector, that we should get into sometime in a future show.
	The idea of even if you are a virgin, if society is showing you non-stop corn and every vice, does that still rattle in your brain?
	I think that that's actually a pretty good topic.
	That you want to speak on?
	Well, I was saying maybe on a future show.
	Oh, okay.
	I'm just trying to respond to the super chat, Brian.
	Of course.
	No, do that.
	I'm just saying.
	But yeah, well, I do think that they're, I do think that the idea that what he's alluding to is: okay, yeah, I'm a virgin, but so what?
	I've seen every sexual position on planet Earth 80 times, that that can ultimately still fuck you up, even if you keep your chastity intact.
	I think that that is an issue in modernity that should probably be addressed.
	Yeah.
	That's all I'm saying.
	It's beautiful.
	It's beautiful.
	So, any disagreements from anybody else at the table?
	Any I have a disagreement with you, Brian.
	Okay, what's up?
	I disagree with the fact that we've gone this whole show and you have not plugged debate university, not even one time.
	My disappointment is immeasurable.
	I am super upset.
	That is a fantastic disagreement, Andrew.
	And I'm going to actually have to what's it?
	What's it called in chess?
	Is it concede?
	Checkmate?
	No.
	Concede?
	Concede, yeah.
	No, there's another word for it.
	Forfeit?
	Forfeit?
	Concede?
	In chess?
	What's the chess term for it?
	What?
	Stalemate?
	You got stalemate, checkmate?
	I think concede is the concede.
	I think.
	Is it concede?
	You can see.
	I need to find.
	Hold on.
	My OCD is going to kill me.
	Synonym for concede.
	Synonym.
	Synonym.
	Surrender, yield, relinquish, seed.
	Forfeit.
	Forfeit.
	Could be a forfeit.
	Could be a forfeit.
	I just have to forfeit this.
	You're right, Andrew.
	You win the argument.
	Nick, pull up debateuniversity.com.
	Guys, you have to go to debate university.com.
	Verbal combat.
	If you want to learn how to become a master debater, like Andrew, he's the best master debater.
	He's really the best, one of the top master debaters in the world, really.
	Nobody comes close.
	His technique is unparalleled.
	Wait, what?
	Anyways, guys, you got to get the course.
	Verbalcombat, debateuniversity.com.
	Listen, guys, holidays are coming up.
	You got Thanksgiving.
	You got Halloween.
	You got Christmas.
	You know you're going to be arguing with your liberal family members at the dinner table.
	You got to fucking buy this course if you want to fucking catch some W's at the dinner table and piss off your whole family for six months.
	You absolutely have to.
	It's coming.
	You know, the holidays are right around the corner.
	Right around the corner.
	You know, your scumbag in-laws are going to come in.
	You know, they're all going to be progressive pieces of shit.
	That's just the way it works, especially if you're out on the West Coast.
	Must get the course immediately.
	That's some shameless plugging, by the way.
	Brought to you by Andrew Wilson and the whatever podcast.
	Buy the course.
	You won't regret it.
	Tons of great feedback so far.
	People seem to really enjoy the content.
	We worked extremely hard on it.
	And yeah.
	TTS is 30, by the way.
	But debateuniversity.com, gentlemen.
	DebateUniversity.com.
	You got to check it out.
	And resign.
	Resign.
	Resign.
	That's it.
	It is resigned.
	Guys, TTS is $30.
	Roast.
	We're going to do a roast session.
	Yeah, we'll do it.
	Nick, can you pull up Twitch?
	Guys, also go to twitch.tv/slash whatever.
	Drop us a follow in the Prime sub if you have one.
	Twitch.tv slash whatever.
	Drop us a follow.
	The prime's up.
	If you have one, guys, it's been 15 minutes since we last had a prime.
	Maddie is very upset by this.
	She thinks it, I think it's bugged.
	Help.
	Andrew said it like this.
	Help.
	Guys, follow concept.
	Oh, what the hell?
	Why didn't it.
	Wait, what?
	Why is it not?
	Oh, hold on.
	I'll re-trigger it.
	My bad, bro.
	My bad, bro.
	I got you.
	Okay.
	I'll get it re-triggered.
	My apologies.
	TTS is 30.
	TTS is 30.
	If you guys want to get in, Yochoba Muffin, thank you for the sub, man.
	Appreciate it.
	Thank you.
	Very nice of you.
	Gonna let that one come through.
	Roth underscore PSA donated $30.
	The difference between girl on girl and guy on guy is it doesn't count toward body count if it's not a real phallus.
	You, I got the ick.
	Watched the live last night.
	What's wrong in SP?
	Ah, that's a good question.
	A lot.
	Honestly, I was thinking, I don't know if this would be good content, but even if we just sent out someone to film and it would be called documenting degeneracy and just like not even doing street interviews, just documenting it.
	So you're just walking around and seeing the actual degeneracy.
	Giovanni J donated $30.
	Ah, shit.
	I'm a conservative Trumper, but I'm pro-Cuckauldry.
	I was pursuing an 18-year-old, young enough to shove my son in a locker, but I subject him to public humiliation instead.
	So conservative.
	Damn.
	Thank you for that.
	You're going to have to abdicate the throne on the super chat angle there, Giovanni.
	I think you're getting beaten by killer of cereal, to be honest with you.
	Word?
	Curtis Underscorle on underscore donated $30.
	To Jabber the Hutton of the whatever hoodie.
	I see you upgraded to the triple XL hoodie.
	Pretty soon people will have to pack a lunch to walk around you.
	Have you applied for your own zip code yet?
	Yo, I need to lose weight.
	You're fucking right, dude.
	But Curtis Leone, this guy, this guy is crazy, dude.
	He's crazy.
	First off, I have not upgraded this.
	It's the same size.
	It's the same one.
	I haven't changed.
	But yeah.
	And are you going to go on your weight loss journey?
	Yes, I am.
	As soon as I'm on my weight loss journey.
	Join it with me.
	As long as we do it together, Andrew.
	I join you on your journey.
	Join it.
	Gross Pygmy Maddie donated $30.
	Help.
	What is a pig?
	What's a pig?
	Wait, what is a pigmy?
	It's a smaller version of something like a pygmy goat is a smaller goat.
	Pygmy hippo is a small Madison.
	Like a mini himme.
	It's a mini Madison.
	A miniature Madison.
	Oh, is it a baby?
	They are talking about you.
	Guys, you need to roast the shit out of Madison.
	She got a little too confident during the IRL stream, which reminds me, guys, Go, you got very, you were very, you know, very whatever.
	Guys, go to our Discord because we had to take down the IRL live stream that we did on Friday.
	Discord.gg slash whatever.
	Look, you see that dude in the pink polo, man.
	This fucking kid, this fucking guy.
	I'm telling you.
	We had to take the whole fucking stream down because this fucking guy had to say some bullshit.
	You understand?
	Very upsetting.
	Very, I was very upset.
	And by the way, Morgan.
	Sons of Liberty donated $30.
	Carmelo is a Marxist and 304.
	Vote Liberty.
	Say not to socialism.
	Trump 2024.
	Thank you, sons of Liberty.
	But going back to the Discord, this fucking guy, we had to take the stream down.
	We had to delete the stream.
	It's been nuked off the internet because of what this fucking guy said.
	Hillary Epstein.
	Go join discord.gg/slash whatever.
	Join that.
	W Andrew, W. Brian, W. Maddie.
	Thanks for the show.
	Blame White Dress.
	For the sake of your son.
	His imagination is going to kill his view of you more than admitting it.
	I mean, he watches Tate, too.
	Does he watch?
	Yeah, he does.
	He loves Andrew Tate.
	Yeah.
	Wait.
	He does.
	But my sister had a problem with that because she's future host of the whatever podcast.
	Your son?
	Anyways, my sister was like, I can't believe you let him watch it.
	Stochastic Decay donated $30.
	Hey, Brain.
	Sorry, I'm late.
	Hello.
	Long day.
	As you know, I work for Twitch.
	We keep getting support tickets saying it's bug boys.
	We're working around the clock to resolve the issue.
	Thank you.
	Anyway, good show.
	Well, can you explain why it's still bugged?
	I just popped in there a few minutes ago, and there still hasn't been a fucking prime sub.
	Guess, I mean, Twitch support wants to do something about this?
	I mean, maybe somebody can prove to us that it's not bugged.
	I don't know.
	That would be helpful, you know.
	I think it would be.
	I think it's still bugged.
	I don't know.
	It's been a few minutes since one came in.
	Man, I feel like what was the other thing?
	By the way, Desmond, everybody in the chat was saying that the IRL stream, everything that went wrong, was your fault.
	It was your fault.
	How?
	It's just your fault.
	So.
	The stream was bug boys.
	It was bugged.
	Double agent donated $30.
	A twist to the man nor bear question.
	Your home and apartment is being raided by criminal gangs from Venezuela.
	Who do you run to protect you?
	Trump or Carmela?
	Trump.
	Carmela.
	Yeah, who's Anna?
	Trump?
	Trump.
	I don't know politics.
	I'm sorry.
	Honestly, neither.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Sorry.
	All right.
	Or Mozart Spaghetti donated $30.
	City girls are cooked good night.
	Scroll back here, taking 20 shots.
	It's going to miss the whole roast.
	You got to come back.
	You're going to miss the whole roast section.
	I don't think we've ever had a girl leave the studio to get alcohol.
	And come back.
	Don't we have alcohol too?
	No, that's all.
	Why are you painting me as an alcoholic?
	There's seltzers in the I would never paint you as an alcoholic.
	I might be bugged.
	I think I'm bugged boys.
	Please send help.
	Don't get mad at me because I planned ahead.
	Okay.
	We planned ahead, but I know you've donated $30.
	You embracing Three Somes tells your son that it is okay.
	Oh my God, they're still on you as good as you can.
	He won't respect women all because of your past trauma given by some man.
	The biological argument is a cop-out.
	Respect yourself.
	You know what?
	Just tell your son that don't watch the podcast.
	He already watches it.
	I will pass the torch on to him when he comes of age.
	Wow, he would be so stoked.
	You need to tell him that he's going to be throwing a donated $30.
	He's going to be the new host of Spotify.
	I could fix it for a MILF, but I'd rather spend time with my dog, F. Komerla.
	Chicks and MILF.
	Thank you, JJ.
	Appreciate it, man.
	Kumarla.
	Fuck.
	Kumar.
	What is that?
	What is a Kumarla?
	It sounds like a Kumala.
	It's Kumala here.
	He said F. Kumala.
	Kumarla.
	Kumarla.
	Kumbaya.
	They roast us as much as they'll roast you.
	Believe me.
	They're not nice to us either, this chat.
	Oh, boy.
	Any disagreements from anybody?
	Maybe you've seen the show before in your life.
	I definitely disagree with this, but we haven't talked about it yet.
	I definitely went downstairs to get the alcohol, right?
	Because it was right there.
	And tell me why.
	Okay.
	Go ahead.
	Go ahead.
	Okay.
	Never mind.
	No, no, no.
	Say your shit, but okay, go ahead.
	Oh, I'm sorry.
	Just don't fucking.
	Oh, my God.
	You're like an asshole.
	I'm sorry.
	You got it.
	Okay, go ahead.
	Go ahead.
	It's a disregard.
	What's it about?
	Nothing.
	It was a disagreement.
	It was about the show?
	Oh, no.
	That was a fucking question.
	Okay, stop yelling.
	I disagree with your attitude sometimes.
	I think you have a low temper sometimes, and it's not that deep.
	It's up here?
	Down here.
	Let's talk about it.
	It's actually true, I do have a temper.
	I can tell.
	Well, I mean, wouldn't you have a temper too if you were surrounded by stupid people all the time?
	Like, wouldn't that, wouldn't that give you a temporary?
	Like, wouldn't that be kind of aggravating?
	You're just like surrounded all the time by a bunch of dumb, low IQ fucking retailers.
	Like, wouldn't that actually make you upset a little bit?
	It would make me upset if I was around a bunch of dumb stupid people.
	What's he talking about, X?
	Yeah, that's what he was implying.
	Church underscore of underscore Scientology donated $30.
	Orange top, not worth a hot pocket, which is probably the only nickname you've ever had.
	Single mom more lonely than Tom Hanks after Wilson left.
	Jean jacket keeping world hunger relevant.
	Whoa.
	Damn.
	I would be upset if I hung around dumb people, too.
	I actually was having this conversation.
	Yeah, that wasn't a shot at you.
	Like, you're the smartest person on the panel.
	But I'm not the prettiest.
	Absolutely not under your circumstances.
	That's probably why you're the smartest.
	You ain't shit.
	That's what they said, that you're an asshole, first of all.
	That's what I was going to say before.
	It was like, disregard.
	You're using up an asshole.
	We had the best conversations of everybody the whole night.
	We have.
	This has been great.
	Yeah.
	It's been beautiful.
	I love it.
	You made me realize you humbled me.
	I'm humbled in your humility.
	Wait, I do have a bone to pick with Andrew.
	Andy.
	My Andrew.
	What you got?
	Just the cat lady thing.
	Why do people always bring up the cats, man?
	I love cats.
	It's so unoriginal.
	I feel like you're better than that.
	I love cats.
	Like, what the hell?
	I didn't actually call you a cat lady.
	Just like no, but the reason that this is brought up often is because there is a true trope to the kind of I'm 35, 45, 55, and I really can't deliver children to men anymore.
	And so the only thing they really find is that you're not going to be able to donate $30.
	The evil one named Lauren.
	Lower your effing standards.
	You really think you'll find all those attributes in someone and also be a millionaire?
	Get some cats.
	Oh my God.
	It just proves it.
	Hillary Epstein donated $30.
	Maddie wins the prettiest still is 7-8ths.
	7-8 is crazy.
	And so essentially what happens is they all think they're immune to it.
	That won't be me, right?
	I'll be the one who beats the wall, but the wall has never been defeated ever and will never be defeated.
	And so, what happens when you meet the wall, you crash into the wall, and you get destroyed by the wall is you usually end up having to give the maternal time and energy that you would have spent on children towards something.
	And so you get fucking cats or like those little stupid, yippy purse dogs that everybody hates and are super annoying.
	They're either chihuahuas or there's some kind of like little white furry poodle of some kind.
	And you just instantly loathe them the second you see them.
	They usually end up getting something like that.
	That's why the stereotype exists.
	There's a lot of truth in the stereotype.
	All right.
	Can I ask Lauren a question?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	No, it just, it's, I just think it's so wild that some women don't want to have kids and like have a family and be in a relationship.
	Like, I feel like I always wanted to be a mom since I was a little girl and like having kids and especially being in that long-term relationship when I was young and like having a family was like the most fulfilling experience of my life.
	I just, if I didn't have, if I hadn't had that experience, I would feel really, I don't know, I feel useless as a woman.
	So you're useless.
	I am useless.
	I would say, I just want to know your perspective and like how do you find fulfillment?
	Well, for me, I think it's like another preference.
	I mean, I just, I know that I've never wanted to be a mom and only child.
	I didn't grow up around kids.
	I wasn't around younger kids a lot.
	And I just need to.
	Do you have outfits for your cats?
	Yeah.
	Like, tell the truth.
	Do you have outfits for your cats?
	They are hairless cats.
	What are the children?
	Oh, my God.
	I like you like 10 times more because they're hairless.
	You have outfits for your cats.
	I do have little black hoodies for them.
	Yeah, I knew it.
	I knew that.
	They like to be naked.
	They like to be naked.
	It's very difficult.
	Hold on.
	I have a couple questions here.
	I have three things.
	I want to really quickly address the temper thing.
	Oh, my God.
	See?
	He had time to think about it.
	So I was thinking about this the other day.
	I was thinking about this the other day, and it's like I'm self-aware.
	I'm like, yeah, I anger easily, but I think that like, see, I get angry easy, but it's a very low level of anger that just seeth.
	But it's never like, I'm going to punch a hole in the wall.
	Like I would never, like, it never would get to the level of like, okay, I'm so frustrated.
	I'm going to punch a hole in the fucking wall or like attack somebody.
	It's just like this low level, like probably going to have a stroke early in life.
	Aneurysm, high blood pressure, anger.
	But not like, I'm going to violently attack somebody anger, not like punch a hole in the wall, anger.
	It's just that low, seething, like, fuck, I don't like people anger, you know?
	You literally walked away.
	You know what I mean?
	Do you know what I mean, Andrew?
	Do you know what I mean?
	Well, do you do the thing where if you get cut off in traffic, you grab like a little hammer next to you and start hitting your dash and shit like that because you just do anything.
	You just like, you just get so upset.
	You just start bashing the dash out.
	You donated $30.
	You always want to kill her.
	So you could fail at being a mother.
	Stop calling yourself conservative.
	I'm not.
	It doesn't affect me.
	Actually, like, my children are super well-rounded.
	My daughters are so proud of them.
	They're super driven.
	They don't dress like tramps.
	They've got their beautiful relationships.
	Wait.
	Dude.
	She goes to college?
	No, yeah.
	When does she turn 18?
	September 25th.
	We should do mother-daughter episode.
	No.
	Oh, that would be good.
	Maybe if she's okay with it.
	She's 20.
	But not her son?
	Her boyfriend is okay with it, too.
	Well, you gotta be like over 18 to come up with it.
	If her boyfriend is okay with it, if he's okay.
	If he's okay.
	I mean, she would have to run it by him as well.
	And we'd have to talk about it.
	Wait, chat.
	Chad, yes, do you want to see mother-daughter episode?
	I've been trying to make it happen.
	It's been hard.
	But I would really have to discuss with you previously what the outline is going to be.
	I agree.
	We definitely should not talk about LGBTQ community.
	Stripping.
	I'm open to it.
	She's a man Maureen donated $30.
	We have to discuss it.
	And you don't want to have kids.
	Lauren, your dad will talk to you single forever.
	Get rid of your cats and you might find a man.
	You're six at best.
	Hang on.
	Roasted.
	Hang on.
	Didn't I point out, and it held true in this panel, that all the Laurens are crazy?
	Yes.
	I think that's a good idea.
	Hillary Epstein donated $30.
	Oh, my God.
	When she's 18, will she strip too?
	Or do you discuss and warn her about it?
	My kids don't make me do it.
	No, she would not do that.
	She's super successful with all of her jobs that she has and her major.
	She, I would totally discuss that with her, and she feels open enough to talk to me about that, but that's not something she understands the circumstance that I was in at the time.
	It's not something that I think is glorified.
	Definitely, I don't glorify it at all.
	Have you been open and honest?
	Have you been open and honest with her about the situation?
	With her.
	Okay, that's cool.
	Wait, can I finish responding to Nancy's question?
	Yeah, please.
	So I feel like I love good moms.
	I respect good moms.
	Like, I know so many of them.
	I just know for me, like, it's just something that I've never wanted.
	And I do feel like it's not a requirement to being a woman.
	I think it's just, you know, it's just a personal choice.
	Yeah.
	It's just, if you know it's not for you, I think it's wise to not have kids if that's not what you want to do.
	But what do you find fulfillment in?
	Is what I was asking.
	I find fulfillment in other relationships, like friendships, just enriching life experiences.
	Old man Maureen donated $30.
	Literally, just met a Lauren at the bar the other night.
	She tried giving me her number when her boyfriend was in the bathroom.
	Laurens are the worst.
	Oh, come on.
	We're not all fed.
	I don't know which one.
	I know.
	They're the worst.
	They're always the worst.
	Oh, man.
	I've never heard.
	I literally, I think I lost my virginity to a Lauren.
	Really?
	Was she the worst, Brian?
	Was she just awful?
	Wait, no, I think it was a Chris.
	How do you not remember?
	Back to your bad temper.
	You wanted to ask a question about it.
	What was the question?
	I think I already addressed it.
	No, you didn't.
	You just made the statement.
	You're like, I know, like, I get really mad.
	I'm just saying.
	It's like, well, you didn't get mad as mad as you.
	You had to go get liquor in order to placate yourself from your seed.
	I wasn't mad.
	I wasn't mad.
	I was on a time restraint, meaning like I wanted my time was up and I'm here, so fuck it.
	I think I was just saying, like, it's this low-level, low-level seethe.
	It's a low-level seed.
	It's never like, like, I'm going to fucking full-blown yell.
	Like, I'm not going to fucking be screaming at somebody.
	I'll raise my voice a little bit.
	I'll be a little sassy, right, Nick?
	Let me see that for you.
	But, but, but, I'm not going to punch a hole in the wall.
	I'm not going to hit anybody ever.
	Well, it's in Brian's defense that he's really not doing anything wrong and that you're all just fucking awful.
	Can I just like kind of throw that out there?
	I appreciate that.
	Just awful.
	Just awful.
	We're off.
	Sarah was okay.
	We're off.
	Thank you.
	Well, no, you're okay.
	It's just everybody.
	Well, and you're okay, too.
	But you don't know who I'm pointing at, but you two know that you're all right.
	But everybody else is fucking awful.
	Just, oh my gosh.
	Fuck.
	Oh, my goodness.
	Feelings mutual.
	She just leads it to her.
	She's like, fuck.
	Do we have Reacts, Nick?
	What's the other React?
	Oh, it's the.
	Wait, before we pull it up, I think I know which one it is.
	Are you guys in relationships that?
	Sons of Liberty donated $30.
	The Sons of Liberty were known for using intimidation, violence, force, and fear tactics.
	They also stockpiled arms, shot, and gunpowder.
	Their motto was no taxation without representation.
	Boston TV.
	Thank you.
	Yeah, that's because it was really good rhetoric, but ultimately.
	Rip Trich and Rare donated $30.
	Fat boy Andrew be like my titties.
	Don't jiggle.
	Jiggle.
	It folds.
	I like to see it twiggle, wiggle, for sure.
	It makes my titties want to dribble.
	Dribble, you know.
	I'll smack your fat simptitties up.
	Okay.
	She's overheating over here.
	Damn.
	Wait.
	Oh, we need a sprinkler.
	Can somebody do sprinkler?
	Maybe?
	Yeah, exactly.
	Which one of you is named Andrew?
	What the fuck?
	Is that the sprinkle that you were talking about?
	She wouldn't have trimmed it on.
	I guess.
	Oh, let's see.
	Actually, before we get into that, really quick, going back to Lauren.
	Your stand.
	Virgin Lauren.
	Yes.
	Horseman.
	Make that.
	Virgin Lauren.
	Is anybody else here a virgin?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	Your standards, right?
	Yes, sir.
	Can you once again just restate what your standards are?
	Like, just give us the whole list, precise, concise.
	Listen, I took liquids.
	I took notes for 15 minutes.
	Hang on, I want to go over the notes because I did take notes.
	Wait, let's have a look at that.
	He has to be a gajillionaire and is also super rich.
	And on top of being a super rich gajillionaire, he also has to be world-traveled and learned and very smart and have an emotional connection with you.
	Do I get everything correct?
	You got it.
	And Tan.
	Wait, going Tan.
	Tan, Tan.
	Going to interracial.
	Other Lauren, have you ever had a thing for a horse?
	Hey, yo.
	Oh, what?
	What?
	What are you talking about?
	That's nasty.
	Why are you bringing that up?
	Yeah, exactly the face I'm giving you right now.
	I don't know.
	I feel like I can't tell if you're squinting at him or not.
	You're giving him that look.
	I can't tell.
	Blink once if you're safe.
	Stop blinking.
	So, look, I'm just saying, I don't know.
	We had a girl who had a thing for dolphins on recently.
	Yeah, that's crazy.
	So I was just like, I feel like girls get this attraction to the animals.
	Wow.
	I think it's time for me to leave now if that's going to be kidding.
	That's weird.
	No.
	I feel like makes me uncomfortable now.
	I feel like you're trying to hide something now, though, because if it wasn't a thing, you'd just be like, nah, I've never had that.
	But now that you're kind of being defensive about it, I think you have a thing for a horse.
	I feel like I'm uncomfortable.
	Oh.
	All right.
	Have you heard of a gentleman named Vosh?
	Psycho donated $30.
	Brian, your infatuation with giant flappy lips of the nether region is a free king.
	It's not free.
	Boom roasted.
	It's not that.
	How dare you, Psycho?
	I big labia matter.
	Hashtag big labia.
	I only date women with large labia.
	Why are you laughing, Sarah?
	You want to tell us something?
	Do you have giant labia?
	Is that why you're laughing?
	What's oh, you mean like giant labia?
	Big labia.
	Is there something you want to tell us?
	No.
	Wouldn't that make you attracted to me?
	It will actually.
	If a girl has large labia, I give her a pass on certain things.
	How do you vet fancy?
	And she gets like a point.
	She'll be like a stripping.
	Huh?
	She's stripping.
	That would get past.
	So, like, if she was a stripper.
	Wait, what?
	If she was a stripper prior.
	Like world record, Guinness.
	You've got to be joking.
	Big labia.
	No, I'll give her a pass.
	She wants to know what a labia is.
	Big latibulates are what matter.
	Wait, warm.
	I can hear you.
	What did you say?
	Yeah, I only date women with large labia.
	Like, you're by, right?
	Do you have a preference, like any's or outies?
	No, not really.
	I've also only been with one girl.
	Oh.
	All right.
	Hilary Epstein donated $30.
	Thank you, bro.
	Brian, yes, BLM.
	Let's go.
	Love the Mantitties.
	Let's go.
	Dad bought for the WR.
	Dad bots within the standards for the current guests.
	Who would date?
	Throw me a donated $30.
	Oh, boy.
	Can horses get addicted to peanut butter?
	Just curious.
	Also, whatever happened to 777 quintillion, 777 quadrillion, 777 trillion, 777 billion, 777,777,777.
	I missed the sprinklers.
	Send it in.
	Thank you, JJ.
	Appreciate it, man.
	Would you date a guy with a dad bot?
	Show.
	Raise your show of hands.
	I have.
	You wouldn't.
	Wait, you wouldn't date a guy with a dad?
	I was going to raise my hand.
	Relax.
	What are you getting excited for?
	Hi!
	I did.
	I would.
	I know I did, but I would.
	I mean, what's a dad bot, actually?
	Let's break it up.
	A ponza that has no chanza.
	A ponza that has no chance.
	Like him alone, I would, I guess.
	Are you a dad?
	Right?
	Yeah, I guess I have a dad bad.
	Would you guys agree that's a dad bot?
	Like, would Brian take off the sweater?
	No.
	I can't.
	I gotta take off the sweatshirt.
	Take off the sweater.
	There would have to be other really great qualities.
	Okay.
	Brixon's a fat.
	I will fuck this studio up.
	All right.
	Thank you.
	Okay.
	All right, bro.
	That's crazy.
	Stay tuned.
	That's crazy.
	Where were we?
	We were talking about big labia.
	Yeah.
	I only date women with giant labia.
	It's crazy.
	It's so funny how we changed the topic like five minutes ago, but you're still thinking about it.
	I was thinking about a big labia.
	Wait, going back to your standards, can you just list out your standards?
	Yeah, okay.
	I'll list them out.
	Quick, though.
	Rapid fire.
	Emotional connection.
	Damn it.
	Virgin Slayer.
	Virgin Slay.
	Andrew, I'll be taking your course.
	I really appreciate you.
	P.S. the chick talking about smashing famous dudes.
	That's not a flex.
	You're just a pump and dump.
	Yeah, it's not a flex, I agree.
	It's not a flex.
	If you know what flex is.
	Do you want me to keep going?
	Yeah, you can keep going.
	Okay.
	Strong emotional connection.
	Good sense of humor.
	Millionaire.
	Attractive.
	Wealth and status.
	Depth slash slash spiritual.
	Healthy.
	Takes a care of himself.
	Someone who is more conservative leaning, I would say.
	Likes guns.
	So no dad bods.
	Tan.
	I mean, a little dad boss already.
	I just prefer someone to take care of themselves a little.
	You know, I'm not, I don't expect like an eight bag.
	Why are you looking at me, bro?
	I don't expect an eight bag.
	How much you weigh again?
	What the fuck?
	I weigh 158.
	158.
	I gained eight pounds this month.
	Yeah.
	I was like 145 in high school, bro.
	What the fuck?
	Like senior year, bro.
	Oh, you were scrawny?
	I was on the wrestling team.
	So you were so scrawny?
	So you know how to lay them down?
	Yeah.
	That about covers it.
	Honestly, if I could pick someone.
	That sounds like a lot of work.
	If I could pick like a standard.
	Yeah.
	I would say like someone like Aaron Rodgers is my ideal form.
	If I had to pick a standard.
	No, the whole package.
	The whole package.
	Pull up Aaron Rodgers' Wikipedia.
	Whole package.
	You mean the football quarterback?
	Yes.
	Is he tan though?
	I'm cool.
	He's tan-ish.
	Tanner than me.
	Everyone's tanner than me, though.
	But these lights aren't doing me any favors.
	Like tan?
	I'm like interracial.
	Oh, yeah.
	How much does he get paid?
	Yeah.
	Can we find his salary?
	Verify.
	Wait, scroll down.
	Aaron Rodgers.
	He's 6'2", 223 pounds, one of the most, very, very successful.
	Wasn't he injured this last year?
	I believe so.
	Like right at the beginning of the season.
	Oh, didn't he sign like a massive deal, too?
	But not a millionaire.
	Was it the Jets?
	But then he got injured at the beginning of the.
	Yeah.
	This is too long.
	Yeah, just Google his Jets salary.
	I just like everything he's standing for.
	Google that.
	So genuine question, though.
	Do you think you have a chance?
	Do I think?
	I mean, we don't run in the same circles.
	We don't know each other.
	Let's say you did.
	Do I think I've hit?
	I think so.
	You haven't had a chance with Aaron Rodgers.
	I mean, he's dating a Shalene.
	$112 million.
	Oh, he's dating somebody already.
	No, I'm just saying what she looks like.
	$75 million of the contract, fully guaranteed.
	$100.
	Wow, three years.
	Holy crap.
	That was that rich people that we hear.
	Wait, but genuinely.
	So genuinely.
	Aaron Rodgers?
	Like, do I think that I'm shot?
	Do you think you got a shot?
	I don't.
	I mean, like I said, we don't run in the same circles.
	But if you did.
	But if I did.
	Do you have a shot?
	I'm a pretty cool chick, yeah.
	Why the heck do you want that?
	Bro, of course you're holding out for like top tier 0.0001% NFL football, huh?
	I thought you said it was easy for girls to land these type of guys.
	No, Hold on.
	It's maybe easy to sleep with them.
	That's not your goal, is it?
	No.
	Well, I mean, obviously, more of a relationship.
	Wait, would you fuck Aaron Rodgers on the first night?
	Oh, he doesn't want you.
	Sorry.
	Next.
	I wouldn't.
	Wait, you genuinely.
	Of course these guys.
	Of course you're a virgin.
	You're holding out for fucking Aaron Rodgers.
	I said someone like him.
	I've never met him.
	We don't, you know.
	Right, so you would even reject Aaron Rodgers.
	He would still have to meet your like, well, do I get along with him?
	And there's a personality grip.
	The connection would be a good thing.
	Do you think most girls are going to give a fuck about that?
	He's fucking Aaron Rodgers.
	I know.
	Well, yeah, the connection would have to confirm.
	You're going to be like, I don't give a fuck about that.
	I want him no matter what.
	I don't care if he treats me like shit.
	I still want him.
	Are you willing to die a virgin?
	Like, if you don't meet anybody, will you die like a 80-year-old virgin?
	Yeah.
	I'm not gonna settle.
	I mean, I'm you have like a like an age where you're like, you know what?
	If I don't meet anybody by like 40, 45, I'm just gonna do it.
	Yeah, what's your cap age?
	Um, I don't have one because I feel like anything to me, if I mean, you can't force attraction and connection, so I'm not gonna do anything with anyone that I'm not into, and I just feel like anything else is like repulsive to me.
	So, no, I would die a virgin.
	My great aunt died a hundred-year-old virgin.
	No virgin, she never got married.
	Oh, wow, one month.
	My grandma's sister.
	Yeah, she never got married.
	She's beautiful.
	One month, she had her 100th birthday.
	She had like a giant ball.
	The little sister was a nun, so she was also a virgin.
	Oh, wow.
	Oh, my goodness.
	I had two virgins in my mouth.
	Sorry, sorry.
	That's so cool.
	I mean, I'd rather not die a virgin, but if it comes down to that, it was just funny.
	Oh, okay.
	It was just funny.
	Okay, thank you.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	When were chastity belts a thing, I guess?
	That's a good question.
	You know what I mean?
	When medieval times, I think we need to bring them back.
	Chastity belts?
	Yes.
	Only for women, though.
	When the actual belts agreed, I mean, that's how it was.
	I mean, like, the last time I seen a chastity belt, what I actually was like, what is that?
	It was like a thing.
	What was it?
	Robin Hood.
	I mean, I buy a chastity belt.
	It was like.
	I will buy a chastity belt and I'll try it out.
	What?
	Wait, what?
	So, what if like chastity belt?
	Would it come with a hole on it or no hole?
	Was that Andrew?
	I think it was Andrew.
	Yeah.
	He's not admitting it, though.
	Wait.
	We don't have it on our soundboard.
	What?
	Wait, where did that fucking Nick?
	Was that you?
	Wait, it was Nick.
	Oh, it was Nick.
	Wait, is it about the chastity?
	No.
	Wait, Andrew, you gotta do that more.
	Andrew, you have to do the red thing more, Andrew.
	That's pretty cool.
	I like the red.
	Andrew, you gotta do the red thing more.
	Very demonic.
	What's our rating in red lighting?
	Wait, what do you mean it's demonic?
	What, the color red is demonic?
	No, it was like opposite, like a demeanor.
	Like, oh, that's not very cutesy.
	It's very demonic.
	Nick, do we have other Reacts?
	Yeah.
	Let's do those.
	Oh, this is the one.
	Oh, who here has had lip filler?
	I have had some.
	I have.
	It's worn out for me.
	For hydration purposes.
	I have a question for the ladies on this.
	Nick, play the clip.
	Play the clip, Nick.
	Play the clip.
	Oh, it was Nick.
	Okay.
	That's not that bad.
	I've seen one before.
	Oh my God.
	Why do you women destroy your appearance?
	That's a lot.
	Isn't that the initial swelling?
	Did it go down for her?
	Or does she still look like that?
	Why do y'all destroy your looks?
	It's kind of sad.
	To be fair, I mean, that's a very extreme.
	These poor women are just destroying their fake.
	I think some girls do maybe look good, and then when other girls see that, they want to get it and expect it to look as good, but then it just doesn't look good on them.
	Yeah.
	You never found a girl attractive that has lip filler?
	I mean, never?
	A girl could be attractive and have lip filler, but I've never, it doesn't make her more attractive.
	It makes her look, at least my aesthetic perspective, it makes women look worse.
	Do you think Kylie Jenner is unattractive?
	Well, I mean, she's super plastic, but her fake lips, I think they're worse.
	Okay.
	Would you fuck her, though?
	Would you fuck her?
	Yeah.
	Does she fuck white guys?
	So you would.
	She's stained.
	So you would.
	You would fuck plastic.
	Timothy Shalaman.
	So you would.
	And then you wonder why women are.
	I would be an idiot businessman to pass up the chance of fucking Kylie Jenner first off.
	You realize how.
	I don't know, though.
	Don't, don't... Mmmmm... Mmmmm... Mmmmm...
	Why is that?
	That one...
	Why is that?
	I don't know.
	I just wanted to do it.
	Sometimes, though, I think the trademark of good work is when you can't tell the time.
	I agree.
	I don't think necessarily that there's.
	I don't necessarily think that if someone's had something done, that means that it's, you know, I don't like the plastic look.
	No, that's fair.
	I absolutely don't.
	And you would fuck Kylie Jenner.
	If that gets your dickheart, obviously.
	Have you seen it?
	Have you seen it done naturally?
	It doesn't look, she doesn't look natural.
	She has no, not Kylie.
	No, not Kat.
	We're not talking about Kylie.
	Does she have a BBL?
	Probably.
	I don't fucking know.
	Have you seen lip filler done naturally?
	No, it never looks natural.
	It always looks bad.
	Sorry.
	Sorry, ladies.
	It's crazy.
	Does my lip filler look natural?
	Yeah.
	I thought you said you didn't have lip filler.
	I lied.
	It looks natural.
	Wait, lying about having lip fillers.
	She's talking about the other lips.
	Big lamium.
	Big lamium.
	I'm just kidding.
	Now that's something I can get behind.
	I can get behind it.
	Oh, the bear.
	We got to do the bear question.
	We got to do.
	Wait, you want to date Rogers?
	If he were interested.
	I mean, hashtag Aaron Rodgers.
	Hashtag Aaron.
	Hashtag virgin.
	I mean, I'm probably not going to.
	Don't.
	Have you ever heard that Bo Burnham?
	There's a he did a comedy special, like, he does these musical bits.
	And it's like something like, how does it go?
	Something about like lower your expectations a little.
	I have not heard that.
	What special is that from?
	I forgot.
	Is it like an older one?
	It's one of his older ones.
	It's before like the weirdo.
	How does it go?
	It's keeping very fast.
	Oh, I think it's from what?
	Where he's like reading a book, right?
	And he's like sitting on a stool reading out of like his little poetry book.
	I think it's one of the poems.
	I guess.
	I don't, I think I know which one you're talking about.
	I don't know.
	I can't.
	I can't realize.
	So, don't you think you gotta lower your expectations a little bit?
	No, I don't.
	Why not?
	I don't want to.
	But it's like, okay.
	It's like you're not getting the man.
	You haven't found the man.
	Well, I haven't been looking, though, to be fair.
	She doesn't feel like it's imperative, it seems like.
	I'm not.
	I honestly might.
	So you do want a partner.
	Yes, if the right person came along, but in my teens and 20s, I literally wasn't ready to date.
	I wasn't interested in dating.
	30s is really the only time in my life that I've been even open to the idea of being with someone.
	Okay, what would you say to a guy, an average guy, who's like, well, I'm holding out for a Victoria's secret model.
	What would I say?
	What would you say to that?
	Average guy.
	I don't know.
	I don't know if I'd say anything, to be honest.
	Like, rock on, brother.
	You wouldn't be like, you're delusional.
	You wouldn't.
	No, delusional.
	Maybe, yeah, maybe I am delusional, but it's okay.
	I like it this way.
	It's all good.
	Yeah, I don't know.
	I'm pretty happy.
	Pretty happy person, so it's all good.
	Well, look, I mean, that's fine, but it's just, it occurs to me that it seems a little unrealistic to expect to date someone on the level of Aaron Rodgers.
	Well, that was just an example that I gave.
	But I mean, yeah, 100%.
	100%.
	You're right.
	Name somebody who's of lesser status and who has less money and is less attractive than Aaron Rodgers, who you would date.
	Like a notable person that we can Google.
	I can't do that.
	I can't do that.
	I really don't have anyone in my life.
	You know that guy, Ryan, from the office?
	No.
	Have you seen The Office?
	Yeah, but I don't know who Ryan is.
	He's like got the negative downward tilt in his eyes.
	Like super Not in the Millions.
	Not sure who that is.
	Yeah, I don't know who that is.
	He's the guy who dated the Indian woman.
	I forgot her name.
	Kelly.
	Kelly.
	Damn, y'all.
	I'll watch the office.
	I haven't seen it enough to.
	I've never seen the opposite.
	Yeah, I haven't seen it enough to know who that is.
	Me either.
	Or friends.
	They're not happy.
	But no, it's all good.
	I mean, listen, like, I'm happy on my own.
	If the right guy comes along, I'm happy with that too.
	But I've always been on my own.
	But you said you've rejected hundreds of guys.
	You haven't gone on any dates.
	Right, because if I don't feel it with someone, I'm not going to waste anyone's time.
	Does that make sense?
	Sure.
	But it's like.
	I get it, but it's like if you're just going to.
	Like, if you do want to eventually find somebody, you have to be open-minded.
	At what point do you have to be like, okay, my expectations are too high.
	I need to lower my standards and expectations if I'm going to find somebody.
	Well, because I'm an all-or-nothing person when it comes to what I want.
	So I don't feel like I have to lower my expectations, and I'm not prepared to do so.
	And I'm, like I said, would I like to find someone at this time?
	I'd be happy to, but I'm also happy on my own.
	I've always been on my own.
	So if a guy is- Would a good dating strategy for you be to bring your cats new outfits?
	Yes, thank you.
	Yeah, actually, I have a little stroll I push them around in, so.
	No way.
	Yeah.
	Oh, yeah.
	Oh, yeah.
	They love to do that.
	Would you date a guy who makes $100,000 a year?
	Potentially, yeah, if the connection was there.
	I mean, sure.
	If the connection was there, first and foremost, that's the most important thing: connection.
	Like I said, that's why I said that that comes first.
	Everything else is kind of secondary to that.
	But there are other things that I would want as well.
	Tan.
	Yeah, 10.
	Gotta be 10.
	You gotta balance me out a little bit.
	Okay.
	So once she sits back, I'll ask the final question and we'll wrap the show.
	But she's back there.
	I don't know what she's doing, doing methamphetamine or something.
	Oh, sorry, PCP, my bad.
	PCP.
	Last call, guys, on the TTS, if you want to get it in.
	Guys, last call, get your TTSs in.
	Yeah, no one's getting sent in for the big bottle of champagne back there.
	No, we don't need a champagne bottle, but if they want to do a little TTS in the chat.
	TTS.
	What's that white thing in the glass there?
	What is that?
	With slashing.
	The little things hanging up there.
	What is that?
	Do you see what I'm talking about, Matt?
	Blow the camera where it's like flaring.
	Where the camera is?
	It's a classic.
	That's the tower.
	It's like a light tower.
	Okay, cool.
	It's like a flame kind of.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Anyways, so where were we?
	You were going to ask her in the orange.
	Oh, no, no, no.
	Okay.
	Yeah, yeah.
	So going around the table, would you rather be in a forest and you'll cross paths with a man or a bear?
	And you're going to cross paths, randomly spawn in the forest.
	I'm starting over here with you.
	What's my name?
	Gertrude.
	Oh, Gertrude.
	Big labia.
	I'm just like.
	So I run across a bear or a man?
	You're in a forest and you're stuck.
	I'm in a forest and I'm stuck.
	And if I run across.
	You're not necessarily a fan.
	So you get randomly spawned in the forest.
	You have to come across a bear or a man.
	Which would you choose?
	Fucking ma'am.
	Let's do you.
	Do you have a sternum tattoo, by the way?
	I do.
	Are you looking at her tits?
	No, I'm looking at the.
	Are you looking at my fat?
	Sure.
	He called me fat earlier.
	I didn't call you.
	I did not call you fat.
	I told him he had a dad bot, and he was kind of like, how much do you weigh?
	Like, it felt like you were implying angry.
	Like, it felt like you were implying, like, oh my god, like, you're fat too.
	So.
	Don't worry about my dad, Bob.
	Worry, but you're league.
	And I'm like, I've never been called fat before, so it's crazy.
	I always think that's the person.
	You always think about me.
	I want it.
	It kind of looks like you're doing it right now.
	I do want to ask you now, though, do you think I'm fat?
	Wait, what?
	Can you wait all of us on a scale of one through ten and go around this panel?
	No, because I'll cry.
	It's okay, you're already a prostitute.
	You okay, bro?
	Okay, I need to stop.
	Okay.
	So, bear or man, which do you pick?
	Well, after touching your boob like that, bro.
	Calm down, bro.
	I can touch my boobs if I want to.
	I know, it's just like very, I don't know, it's chilling.
	Very sexual.
	Okay, go ahead.
	Go ahead.
	Anyways.
	Which do you pick?
	Bear, man?
	So bear man.
	I think.
	Well, there's like obviously like the.
	Is Wayne Brady gonna have the choco bitch?
	Sorry, I don't know why I pressed that one.
	Let's just go with man, yeah.
	Oh, okay.
	All right, going around the table.
	Man.
	Man.
	Definitely man.
	Bear?
	Lauren?
	Man, I just made a video about this, actually.
	Oh, why do you pick there?
	Because.
	Wait, so like, yeah, I'd be stuck in the forest with the bear because you can run from a bear or like scare it off.
	Because I've been stuck in a forest before.
	Zeven camping.
	You can scare off a bear, but you never know what the random man's going to do to you.
	You don't know what the bear's going to do.
	You don't think the man could protect you from potential threats?
	You could be hungry and eat the bear.
	Wait, bears.
	Bears can run up to 30 miles per hour.
	If you're like within close enough proximity, right?
	You can't just like scare it away.
	But you can have a higher likeliness of running away from a man.
	That's predatory.
	I'd rather be in the bear.
	Your intellect is so attractive.
	It's crazy.
	I love her.
	Wait, so what's your name?
	I'm sorry.
	It'll be me.
	That sounded kind of snipey and a little bit underhanded and nefarious and a little bit.
	It just sounded a little bit like passive aggressive there.
	Wait, who?
	I forgot to turn back on the TTS.
	There's like a bazillion.
	Guys, it was accidentally paused.
	I'm really sorry.
	It's because we said big labia.
	I'm sorry, I'm just going to let them come back.
	50 donated $30.
	I don't understand why Miss Nine in the back there has a permanent blush.
	It's almost like she saw Brian's dumpy and her face had an involuntary reaction.
	I don't know.
	I don't know.
	She's been advertising her big labia.
	Jim Bro donated $30.
	My sprinkler goes like this and comes back like Average gym bro, thank you, bro.
	Thank you.
	Brian's number one simp donated $31.
	I have a huge labia, Brian.
	I'm sorry, guys, that's a good idea.
	It's so large that it looks like flaccid testicles.
	Sign me up.
	Flaccid testicles?
	What?
	Hilary Epstein donated $30.
	So a bunch of five and sixes require someone who doesn't have a dad pod.
	Sorry, you are eliminating 80% of the dating pool.
	Especially when you have baggage.
	Let's have a reality check.
	Old man Maureen donated $30.
	Milf, I want to bury my face in those underscore and stick my underscore in every underscore.
	Left it blank so your son won't know what I said.
	Sorry, Milford 18, but we'll still have a good time.
	Milf Anad Johnson 1336 donated $30.
	Brian, remember the time when you were at the gym yesterday and there was the flying Labia that looked like Gothic Joe Finding with wings.
	That did you go.
	T C T C K C K C K C K G M D, J Londi.
	The purity of virginity is something that a conservative Christian man is looking for.
	You are a progressive laughing as a conservative.
	They will see right through.
	You bear, Underscore in Underscore, the Underscore.
	Woods donated thirty dollars.
	She should name her cat Delulu.
	Well, put bear in the woods.
	Thank you, we have a few more coming through.
	A few more, get them in.
	Thomas donated thirty five dollars.
	Hello from the UK.
	It's my first time catching a live stream and it's nearly over.
	Smiley face.
	Good job, Brixon.
	I hope I didn't misspell it.
	And Andrew, one question for the panel, how many feminists?
	Clay donated $29.99.
	Would love to see McKenna Murphy on the podcast.
	He's an EVO psychologist with great data driven, takes on dating and is very articulate.
	I'll be sure to thank you, Clay.
	I'll be sure to.
	Framework Engineer donated $30.
	Not wanting children is like admitting to the world that you're so rotten on the inside that even you know there's nothing worth reproducing going on inside.
	It's just slow self-deletion.
	That's basically what she said.
	Yeah, yeah.
	She was a bit more tactical.
	You're not so nice.
	Thomas, I appreciate you watching all the way from the UK.
	Man, I hope you enjoy your first time watching the stream.
	Appreciate you catching it.
	Thank you, man.
	Feminists I don't think any of you donated $30.
	No feminists, how are a bunch of five or six going to say they aren't okay with a dad bodwin that eliminates 80% of the dating pool for their age?
	Then they have more requirements on top of that.
	W Office ref.
	There's actually this great video from the office about this.
	How does it go?
	It's about like, ah well, I'll have to play it some other time, but thank you man, appreciate it.
	I'll let the rest come through the underscore, random underscore, bear donated thirty dollars in running away from all y'all predators.
	I'm a 19 year old bear.
	Y'all give me the ick.
	Yeah, there you go.
	Big Papalong John donated $30.
	Brian, when are you hitting the streets for interviews again?
	I'm a find you and bust those cheeks.
	Don't lose any weight.
	I like my twinks a little chunky.
	Wow.
	Keiko donated $100.
	Does butt stuff and BJs count against virginity?
	Furthermore, do they count a body, half-body, no body?
	Also, thank you, Kayo.
	I appreciate it.
	He also sent it in as a super chat.
	Does butt stuff and BJs count against virginity?
	Yeah, I wonder, like, girl, like, the BJ count has to be, like, way higher.
	That's what I said earlier when I was like, silent donated $30.
	Just because Andrew Merctall, you delusional woman, here we go.
	Andrew went to Miami as a bear and NSA/slash CIA sent back a shaved twink clone.
	What?
	Oh, is it because of the beard?
	Wait, Andrew, we got to hear you're laughing.
	You're muted.
	You're muted.
	Yeah, Andrew.
	It's bugged.
	Andrew's bugged.
	Yeah, Mike's bug boys.
	The mic is bugged, boys.
	Fix it.
	So going back to KOs.
	Yeah, I would say anal sex for sure counts.
	I don't know if BJ counts against virginity.
	Well, that's what I said about sexuality, and then you guys were like, well, I don't think that's a good thing.
	I don't know if BJ counts.
	That's third base, you know?
	Like, you can get to third base, you know, and like still be a virgin.
	The Lauren, yes.
	Like, I'm ready.
	Lauren, have you given any BJs?
	No.
	Oh.
	But you played with yourself.
	Yes.
	Like a hand.
	I feel like that stuff, though, is all the same to me.
	Like, I wouldn't do anything with anyone that I wasn't into.
	Yeah, but who would want that anyway?
	It defeats the purpose, right?
	Oh, I'm a virgin, but I sucked 100 dicks.
	Or, oh, I'm a virgin, but got effed in the A 10 times.
	Like, it would defeat the whole purpose of the virtue side of the thing, right?
	I'm a virgin.
	I actually dated a girl who'll come, but I won't take penetration.
	I dated a girl who actually, never mind.
	I'm not going to share that story.
	No, share it.
	She had a small virgin and gave BJs.
	Listen, listen, listen.
	As the host of whatever, Brian must never reveal too much about his own details because that would be untowards as the host of such a podcast, which has such an enormous status as the whatever podcast does.
	It's like whatever, I guess.
	It's whatever.
	It's whatever.
	Andrew Ray.
	So last call, guys, on the chat.
	Last call on the chats.
	Really quick, going back to the bear thing, though.
	So what percentage of men do you think would attack you in this situation?
	I didn't say attack.
	I just said, like, I'd rather just be in the woods with the bear than a man.
	Right, but you're doing a risk assessment.
	Old Man Maureen donated $30.
	Girl in white, tattoo artist here.
	Your tattoos look like crap.
	You should work on getting those lasered or covered up.
	Do they look at them?
	Too pretty to have ugly tattoos.
	Boom semi-roasted.
	Oh, Simmon.
	Boom-roasted.
	Do they, I mean, like, is the quality of them bad?
	Is it Kirby?
	Yeah, Kirby's up here.
	Why isn't Kirby, what is perk?
	Kirby pink?
	Is Kirby pink?
	See, I didn't know if I wanted to get them colored.
	I don't like the placement too much.
	So I'd agree with that.
	If I could move them around, I'd move them around.
	This reminds me of that French.
	It's such a terrible joke, and you should feel ashamed of yourself for making it.
	Just terrible.
	Just an awful joke.
	Kirby, Kirby and Kirby.
	That's terrible.
	Just feel ashamed of yourself.
	Just a little bit.
	You know what?
	It's not Kirby and Kirby.
	It made you chuckle a little.
	Chuckling at how terrible.
	That's a second compliment within 30 minutes, okay?
	I know I'm not the only nine here.
	Yeah.
	So we're gonna do a raid on Twitch, but before that, Austin, do you think you're able to pull up Twitch?
	Yep.
	Think you got it?
	What's your rate on us, Brian?
	Would I rate you guys?
	Yeah, tell us.
	Really quick, before I do the rating, guys, go to twitch.tv/slash/whatever, drop us a follow and a prime sub.
	Guys, it's been 31 minutes since we last got a prime.
	We're about to send you guys off to do a raid.
	If you guys, really quick, check if you have a prime sub available because it will be donated $30.
	You could support the show.
	Great show, Bridge.
	Keep up the great work fighting doing.
	Joshua, thank you, man.
	Thank you, Joshua.
	We are doing our best.
	We are up against the Goliath of whatever we're up against, and it's a real, it's, we're, we're, we're putting in the work.
	Me and Andrew.
	Two-man team.
	We're a two-man team.
	DP.
	What the fuck?
	What the fuck?
	Disavow.
	Thank you guys for the primes, guys.
	Like two winners.
	Two winners the whole night.
	All these jokes.
	Two weird.
	You've had two winners the entire night.
	You feel, I mean, are you proud of yours?
	So two.
	Like two.
	Maybe one.
	Maybe you've had three.
	But you haven't had more than three winners the whole night.
	What were the winners?
	Tough crowds.
	Over the winners, I want to know.
	Well, I took a W tonight.
	Andrew took a big W. What's a big W?
	Big.
	Yeah.
	Big W.
	Well, I mean, it wasn't against you guys.
	It was.
	I took a W against my own chats.
	First time that's ever happened.
	I'm pretty proud of that, by the way.
	Yay!
	Well, that's a good British clap.
	You know, I don't feel like.
	I feel like you should really give like the really.
	Yeah, there you go.
	Yeah, that's that game.
	You know what, though, Andrew?
	I do have to say, you know what, at least from your end, what took an L?
	Nothing.
	Your kidneys.
	Ha ha ha ha.
	Because of what?
	Alcohol.
	Your liver.
	What is it?
	Liver?
	Liver, not kidneys.
	It's liver.
	It's affects both liver.
	I thought it was kidneys.
	It's liver.
	It's only the liver.
	Yeah, I can play.
	I barely had anything to drink.
	What do you mean?
	I checked this out how much of a straight edge I am.
	I don't even know what Oregon alcohol effect.
	It's like, what happened to his kidneys?
	I literally love her.
	She's like so nice.
	She's like, well, here we go.
	Ready?
	Yes!
	I already beat you.
	She's drinking with you.
	It wasn't even the whole thing.
	Just fail after fail after fail.
	Fail after fail.
	Any final thoughts before we wrap up?
	Any final thoughts before we wrap up the show?
	Speak now.
	Forever hold your peace.
	Can we send a raid over this way, Brian?
	Yes, I have it all set to go.
	On your end, we will raid you.
	And hopefully, you can do an infomercial on the debate university.
	Oh, of course.
	Michigan Christian donated $30.
	If chastity belts came back, women would demand it come with a hole in it.
	So much hope tonight.
	Women's value comes from modesty.
	And they all blow it early.Virgin or not Gandalf waited too long.
	W Andrew.
	Can I ask Andrew?
	Yeah, go ahead.
	Oh, wait, there's another one coming in hold on.
	Old man Marine donated $30.
	They're too light.
	Placements are bad.
	The elbow diphther 2 looks weird from here.
	You could DM and I could help you out on what you can do.
	Not sure how Brian feels about giving out a candles.
	You can DM me and tell me what's wrong with my tattoos.
	And I'll respond if I need help.
	What was your question for Senior Andrew?
	Oh, yeah, Andrew, I wanted to know, like, where do you ground your ethics from?
	Like, your morality?
	I don't know if this is too off topic.
	I grounded it grounded from God.
	Like, divine command theory, kind of.
	That's part of it, yes.
	Okay, for sure.
	I was just curious.
	Oh, show divine command theory or what?
	For show.
	Yes, my epistemology, which is the study of the epistles, for those of you who don't know, is grounded along with my ontology and theology and eschatology and every other type of ology you can think of in the unchanging standard, which is God.
	Yes, that is correct.
	Okay, I agree.
	Wait, are you religious?
	Yeah.
	Are you married?
	Yeah.
	That's beautiful.
	Sorry.
	Don't sound so disappointed when you heard that I was married.
	I'm so disappointed.
	I wanted to go on a date so bad.
	Ryan.
	Who am I going to raid on Twitch?
	Any final thoughts from anybody else?
	Andrew.
	How do you feel about applied ethics?
	What the fuck?
	What the fuck?
	I like applied ethics.
	Why?
	I don't know.
	You mean ethics versus morals?
	Yeah.
	And the application thereof.
	Brian's number simp donated $30.
	The labia is so large I can make them clap more than my cheeks.
	BTW Brian and Andrew are the best.
	Thank you.
	Appreciate it, Brian's number simp.
	Yeah, if you ever, in the future, if you ever want to do a debate on that, let me know.
	I have some questions about that.
	If I can ask you and DMs.
	Hillary Epstein donated $30,000.
	Big girls always loudest.
	GNY'L, good show.
	Brian would never.
	Big girl's big labia.
	A lot of girls claim big labia, but it's actually they're catfishing.
	They're really like midias.
	Would you be opposed to, so since you're against like plastic surgery, what if a woman got like a labiaplasty skin graph and got a bigger labia instead?
	This I can get behind.
	I literally love it.
	They don't do that.
	I'm sure they would find the way.
	I don't know.
	Yo, Brian's Lint Roller.
	Thank for the gifted.
	That's Natalia.
	Thank you, Natalia.
	I want to know what's the questions.
	What's the question on the applied ethics?
	Oh, no, I was just curious about your stance on that.
	I have some contention with applied ethics from what I've understood, what they are, but we don't have to get that.
	Well, can I ask you just a very brief question?
	Yeah.
	Do all of your morals or ethical standards come from preference?
	No, they don't.
	I don't get that.
	Where do you come from?
	I would also argue from divine command theory by saying that my morals are grounded by God and what he commanded.
	Which God?
	A Christian God, Jesus Christ.
	Okay, so then I'm not sure where we would have to go.
	No, I was just saying, no, no, no, there's no contention.
	I was just asking what your stance was on the different types.
	But I mean, you don't follow pure divine command theory, right?
	I don't know.
	I have you're a Protestant, aren't you?
	No.
	You're not a Protestant?
	Can you elaborate on that?
	Are you a Catholic or Orthodox Christian?
	I guess I'm leaning more toward Orthodox, but I don't know.
	Have you been baptized into the church?
	Not yet.
	Okay.
	Good.
	I mean, I'm glad that you're leaning towards Orthodoxy.
	We need you over here.
	You got to get in.
	You got to get in here, right?
	That's where we need you.
	Yeah, my, well, I've been going back and forth on it with other Christians.
	I have more like Pentecostals around me, so we're going back and forth on like the different.
	Well, that's the problem, right?
	It's not really just divine command, but it's the idea of exegesis and you being your own God.
	That's the big problem.
	But anyway, I won't belabor the point at the end of the show.
	But yeah, if you have more questions, let me know and I'll point you in the right direction for people who at least can answer them if I can't.
	Yeah, I'm just trying to figure out how to ground from divine command theory because I feel like once you argue, like my morals come from God, would you not have the burden of proof to prove that?
	I'll tell you what, I do have to wrap up the show, but if you guys want, you guys could maybe hop on.
	Very briefly, I'll just respond.
	Yes, I think you would have a philosophical burden, but you can look to the transcendental argument for philosophical proof.
	Okay, thank you.
	All right, cool.
	All right, guys.
	That's 45 minutes.
	Indeed it is.
	Indeed it is.
	Bamboozle.
	Oh, that's another two minutes.
	He's almost done with the show.
	Look at this.
	This is ridiculous.
	We had a moment.
	We had a drink, everything, and you're just going to miss the whole thing just like that.
	I loved it.
	She found out I was married and now she wants to get out of the studio.
	So just, you know.
	I don't want to continue now.
	See?
	Why'd you get me started?
	By the way, I do want to reiterate that the House of the Dragons season two was absolute dog shit.
	But I would like to end the show by saying...
	Well played.
	GG, well played to the panel.
	Last call.
	Hit the like button, please.
	Waltz on your way out.
	Thank you for tuning in tonight, guys.
	You could have been anywhere in the world, but you were here with me.
	I appreciate that.
	Thank you to everyone who so generously super chats, donates, and supports the show.
	We will be live again Tuesday, 5 p.m. Pacific.
	Got a pretty good panel.
	Walt Disney donated $30.
	Mix Moana.
	Please tell McMona to lay off the cheeseburgers and start focusing on the coconuts and the trees.
	Who the fuck is McMona?
	Moana?
	Oh shit, my bad.
	Who the heck is that guy?
	By the way, as Brian wraps up with his outro, I just wanted to say it was nice to meet all of you.
	A very spirited conversation.
	I enjoyed it very much.
	Hope to see all of you back at some point.
	Nice to meet you, Andrew.
	Nice to meet you.
	Thank you for letting us be here as well.
	God bless.
	Big thank you to the panel.
	Thank you to, again, everybody who super chats, donates, supports the channel.
	Chuck Madison.
	No thank you to Madison.
	And everybody else.
	10,000 on the stream is crazy, though.
	Yay.
	10,000, what, viewers?
	Yeah.
	Or that's comments, I'm pretty sure.
	Oh, shit.
	Actually, it's much more than that.
	There's a whole other stream side of this, which also has thousands more.
	Yeah.
	Damn.
	Between YouTube and Twitch, we do like between 8 and 10K usually.
	Anyways, I am going to do a raid on Twitch.
	I will be raiding Andrew.
	So those of you don't leave yet because we're going to do a raid on YouTube, which sends you over to Andrew's channel.
	He's going to continue streaming on his channel for a period of time.
	And he's going to get into some juicy stuff.
	So stick around for that.
	Any girls who want to be on the show, DM out with Ever on Instagram.
	If you can make it to Santa Barbara, 07 is in the chat.
	Those of you watching on Twitch, I'm going to send a raid to S-Fan.
	He is playing Madden NFL 25, and he's playing...
	Who is he playing as?
	The Commanders.
	Okay, the one.
	Okay, he's playing.
	We can't, or actually, do you know how to pull it up?
	Austin?
	You want to give it a crack?
	What do you want me to do?
	So you're going to have to open up their tab, go to twitch.tv slash S-Fand TV.
	You're going to have to type that in.
	So it's E-S-F-A-N-D-TV.
	What is it?
	S?
	And just forget it.
	Okay, don't worry.
	I got to get these people out of here.
	But I'm going to do the raid.
	I'll send the raid over there on Twitch going in seven seconds.
	Guys, please tell us Finn to come to California and we'll get him on the podcast.
	We got to get this guy on the show.
	He's a World of Warcraft player, so we have a lot to talk about when it comes to dating, voice crack, and World of Warcraft.
	So I'm going to send the raid now.
	Thank you guys for watching on Twitch.
	Drop a follow in the prime before I send you over.
	But thank you guys.
	Appreciate it raiding now.
	And then lastly, I think that's pretty much it on the YouTube side.
	Guys, like I said, we're going to raid Andrew.
	Drop him a sub while you're over there.
	And yeah, guys, 07's in the chat.
	I hope that you guys have a one sec, guys.
	Let me get this figured out here.
	Oh, sorry, guys.
	One sec.
	Where is it?
	Okay.
	07's in the chat.
	I hope you guys have a good night.
	And we'll see you guys next time.
	Good night, guys.

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