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She SCAMS Men ($250,000)?! 52 Year Old Single Mom WILL NOT SETTLE (Wants Man Who Makes $500,000 Per Year)?! | Dating Talk #188

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	Jasmine26, Thousand Oaks, California, and I'm a stay-at-home girlfriend.
	Okay.
	And X what, though?
	Oh, yeah.
	I used to be a stripper and scammer.
	Stripper and scammer?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	So what's a scammer?
	Well, I just feel like when, because stripping is like part of sex work, and so when you're like scamming people, you're just telling them, you know, you're going to get something that you're not going to get.
	Because I wouldn't bring down my like self-morals.
	I mean, obviously, I didn't have the best morals at that time, but I wouldn't bring down my morals lower to get money.
	I would just rather lie to them.
	So, what would you lie about?
	I honestly wouldn't ever say anything because when you work in a strip club, you can't say you're going to do explicit things.
	I would just kind of either like agree with whatever they were asking or just, you know, like, yeah, we're going to have fun.
	Like, you know?
	I wouldn't.
	So, what's the scam, though?
	They, yeah, they would think they were going to have sex or like sexual interactions with me that just weren't going to happen.
	So, because that's like why most men go to strip clubs.
	So, they would.
	Yeah, so there's this is often the case.
	You can correct me if I'm wrong, but many strippers engage in backroom prostitution.
	Is that correct?
	A thousand percent correct, yeah.
	Yeah, yeah, a thousand percent correct.
	And there is coded language, which is used between the club goers and the strippers.
	And I'm sure that you knew what that coded language was, right?
	And so, when they would use the coded language, you would take them back, and then that's when you would just not deliver pretty much.
	Um, there honestly, a lot of like regular customers don't have a code of language, they just blatantly say, like, I want this.
	Like, are you gonna perform this, you know?
	Um, my managers knew that I would lie because they didn't care.
	I would make a lot of money for the club and for myself.
	So, sometimes if they didn't like customers, you know, they've given them hard times, they'd send them my way and let me scam them.
	And so, but I imagine so the customers would give you money with expectation of X.
	So, they'd pay the club, like, whatever the dance was to get, like, the private room.
	And then, when we'd go in, I'd ask for my tip first, and then I would figure out how to entertain them for 15 minutes without doing what they want or anything, really.
	But, would they ever overtly request?
	Oh, yeah.
	Yeah, they try.
	And you would agree?
	No.
	Oh.
	I wouldn't agree.
	I wouldn't do it.
	So, but what's the scam then?
	That I'm getting their money for not doing anything they want.
	They are getting scammed into believing that they're going to get something met.
	They're paying for something.
	But so they say, I want a BJ.
	Yeah, and I'm just like, we're going to go back there and have fun.
	And it wouldn't happen.
	So when you took them into the back room and they were under the impression that they were going to, let's say in this case, get a blowjob, let's say.
	Did they pay you up front for what they thought would be the sexual favor?
	Yeah, pretty much they would give me my tip and then I would just like not do anything.
	And how much would you charge them for these favors they thought they were going to get?
	I honestly didn't charge.
	I would just like, if it looked like someone that was going to be difficult, I'd ask for like more.
	They usually had like something that they'd offer like $200.
	Like some girls are in there doing stuff for like $50.
	So you have to like really be, and it's usually those customers that would be aggressive.
	Like I've had customers push me into walls.
	Because again, like they do get mad.
	They go to like the manager and complain.
	And at the end of the day, there's really nothing that they can do if, you know, I just hold my story.
	Like I didn't agree to anything.
	I just said we were going to have fun.
	But I mean, you seem to acknowledge yourself that there's a scam component here.
	Yeah.
	But I wasn't going to scam myself out of my own morals and like dignity of giving a stranger a blow job or sexual favors.
	So, okay.
	Was there, aside from like what you were doing in the strip club, was there any other sort of scamming stuff?
	Yeah, I had a fake fiancé for like two years.
	I met him at the strip club.
	How did that play out?
	I worked at like a bigger club in LA, which is like it's a like topless bar.
	So they have they serve alcohol and they have like sales sections and stuff.
	I met him there and he invited me to a Dodger game.
	So I said sure and then we went on another date and then from there on he just he knew he wasn't gonna get sex out of me because I was at the time abstinent and so he just started spending a bunch of money thinking that he was gonna get eventually sex out of me and then he proposed to me on the third bigoted ben donated $69.
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	So wait, the fake fiancé, so is he just like giving you money and stuff?
	Yeah, he was paying my rent.
	I would go out all the time, go shopping, go, yeah, pretty much like anything I asked for money-wise, I would make sure that he gave it to me.
	Or sometimes even like I would send it to myself from his phone.
	And he had no real problem with that.
	Okay.
	And so how much a month do you think he was spending on you?
	Willingly, he was paying like $5,000 of my bills when I would just pay myself at that time.
	I was probably making like $15-ish, like $12,000 to $15,000 from doing that.
	From scamming in total?
	Like other dudes too?
	No, just him.
	Like, just from him, I would probably send myself like around $10,000 a month.
	Wait, you said willingly?
	Willingly, he was sending me my rent, my bills.
	What was he sending you unwillingly?
	Like, we would go out and I would send myself money from his phone.
	And at the end of the day, he wouldn't care.
	He'd be like, okay.
	Like, just make sure you spend it on something you like need to pay for.
	But he knew that you were doing this?
	Most of the time, he was like drunk.
	So you'd open up his phone, go into your Venmo, cash out.
	Apple Pay.
	And you would just send yourself.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	I was at a really low place in this time in life.
	Did you?
	You were in a low place?
	Yeah.
	And wait, so how old was this guy?
	52.
	Okay, how old are you?
	I was.
	I met him when I was 23.
	Okay.
	So I stopped talking to him probably like last, a little bit earlier this year.
	And you've now become a Christian?
	I've been a Christian for a while.
	I was just like super lukewarm because I was like dancing and trying to survive.
	So my means of like taking money from him was like I don't have to be at the strip club and deal with all of that.
	So yeah.
	And so, but now you're a bit more serious about your faith?
	Well, I got baptized last year and it's not more about being serious.
	I think it's just the fact that not everyone is going to come to God.
	Like it's not easy to just leave that lifestyle behind.
	Because I started dancing when I was 20.
	So it's like you have to realize that's like a long time of being involved in that lifestyle and getting used to it.
	The fast money is like something really hard to let go of.
	And wait, so but now do you regret some of the past scamming?
	I feel bad for what I did to him particularly because I probably took over like $250,000 from him in the time that I was with him.
	Like he paid for me to get plastic surgery, like my breasts done, liposuction.
	And I wish I never got those procedures.
	He also got me a car in his name.
	Like, yeah, I regret what I did to him personally, but at that same time, like, I was in a place where I was being very selfish.
	And I don't regret it because I've learned that, like, a lot of those trials, like, I feel like God was bringing me through to be where I am now, to understand girls that were in my position or currently in it.
	Just to be clear, God was bringing you through the liposuction and fake breasts and the...
	That was a me thing.
	That wasn't God.
	God didn't tell me to do that.
	It was more of like a me thing because I was insecure.
	And so any of this money that you accrued from him, have you returned anything?
	It's gone.
	Fast money leaves you faster than it comes.
	Right, but I mean, you, you, look, you say some of the money he willingly gave you.
	No, he didn't get anything back.
	Huh?
	He didn't get anything back.
	Right, but perhaps that might not necessarily be so subject to return, but I mean, the money that you essentially stole from him, where you said you'd go into his phone, Apple Pay, whatever, you spent that money, but you did take it from him.
	So, for example, if you were to come into money of your own, would you consider giving him back some money?
	When we like ended whatever the relationship was, I like he still was trying to give me money to like stick around.
	God donated $69.
	Whoa, don't blame me for this.
	Okay.
	Do you have a response to God?
	What do you mean?
	That guy?
	Don't blame me for that.
	No, that's not God.
	Okay.
	You said towards the end of your relationship, he was still trying to give you money?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Well, putting that aside, even granting you that the money that he was willingly trying to give you was fine, you did admit to taking money from him unwillingly.
	Yeah, and he knows that.
	Huh?
	He knows that.
	Like, he realized everything.
	Like, towards the end, and he was still like, I want you to be in my life.
	i want to get my so metro mac donated 69 dollars What liposuction?
	It appears you don't just lie about your body count.
	I didn't even talk about my body count.
	Okay, thank you, Matt.
	Well, so perhaps he's forgiven you or accepted that you stole the money, but don't you feel some duty to just pay him back regardless?
	Honestly, the last conversation we had, I felt as if, like, because he was like, you should just stay with me and I'll give you like the life you deserve, the life you want.
	I very much felt like that was, granted, the enemy or like the devil, whatever you guys want to call it, trying to drag me back into that lifestyle because that was like the last thing I was holding on to from just being in that like area of life.
	Okay.
	Wait.
	Hang on, back up.
	What?
	So, so let me get this right.
	You knew that you were never going to actually be with this person.
	You knew that you were in a fake, affianced relationship with him.
	Is that correct?
	Yeah.
	And so you stole $250,000 from him.
	What Brian is looking for is he's looking to see if you hold any accountability for that.
	How much of that is your fault?
	Isn't it 100% your fault?
	Wasn't he a victim of you?
	In total, that's how much I got out of him.
	That's not how much I took from him.
	And so that's like...
	Yes, but hang on, hang on.
	If...
	If the entirety of the relationship from a person who you were falsely engaged to was done under false pretenses, then everything in which he spent and that you took under false pretenses would be theft.
	I think we can all trust.
	Yeah, it is.
	It's a very fair point.
	But I also think, like, if we look at it from another standpoint, when I was in that time of life, I was also looking at it as he's willingly spending all this money in the hopes of having sex with me.
	Because that was the end goal to get married.
	Yeah, you told him that you wanted to be his wife.
	I didn't tell him.
	He proposed to me.
	Did you say yes?
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	Yo, JJ, appreciate it, man.
	Did you say yes?
	Did you accept the ring?
	No, the ring was given to me out of him.
	He had talked to somebody in Columbia, and I saw it in his phone.
	And I like fake got mad.
	And so he was like, here's a ring.
	Like, I want you to marry me.
	Because he had asked me drunkenly at a restaurant, and I was like, sure, you just spent like $4,000 taking me shopping.
	Yeah, if you want to marry me, okay?
	I didn't want to make cause a scene.
	But so he proposed to you.
	Yeah.
	And you said yes.
	Yeah.
	So then, so, okay.
	So, so then, listen, if you say this guy, though, he just was spending money on me because he wanted to have sex with me.
	He proposed to you and you said yes.
	If that is the case, isn't his expectation that everything he's spending on you or that you're spending on yourself is from what is to be his future bride?
	Why shouldn't he have the expectation of sex?
	That's isn't that you being hyper-predatory?
	Yeah, I was.
	Yeah, so this is how could this not be 100% your fault?
	Because he was a willing participant.
	Like, there was a lot of times we'd break up.
	I'd tell him, like, straight up, like, I don't want to marry you.
	I, you met me at a strip club.
	Like, add this up in your head.
	Like, this is not real.
	And he would very like much just act completely to it.
	Thank you, John.
	Giovanni Jade, you donated $69.
	You say you're Christian.
	Then you are commanded by Christ to perform restitution.
	Return all your sinfully gained money or be anathema.
	You won't.
	Heretic Jezebel.
	Do you want to respond to Giovanni here?
	I, you know, when someone's willingly still trying to participate in something that you've told them what it is and they know exactly what it is and they're still offering you money at that point, they're being a willing participant into it.
	Like, at that point, what do you do?
	Well, so let me give a let me give a slight response here because I think that this is kind of silly.
	Let us assume for a second that I were in some way taking advantage of a woman where this woman had a lot of cash, okay?
	And I was telling her consistently that I wanted to be with her.
	I had even told her that I would marry her and I was taking advantage of her over the span of multiple years.
	If that woman became highly attached to me, of course she would become highly attached to me, right?
	I had essentially been playing into this delusion for the point of monetary gain.
	That's what I had been doing, right?
	So the attachment would not ordinarily be there if I had said no, but instead I had played into it for the purposes of basically monetary gain.
	That is not the same as a person willingly participating.
	That is a person being strung along and a person being essentially lied to.
	Well, there was, like I said, many instances where I told him what it was, and he even, like, kind of figured it out a lot of the times, like, what it was.
	He just played dumb to it to continue, like, the relationship, whatever it was.
	He, at some point, he had formed an attachment, right?
	So he had formed an attachment with you because you had told him that you wanted to marry him, right?
	So he formed this attachment with you, and he was doing everything he could to reconcile a relationship with his fiancé.
	Like, of course, of course, that's what you would do.
	Like, there wouldn't be, doesn't that make sense?
	I mean, yeah, I guess I totally understand where you're coming from, and it's not wrong what you're saying, but I mean, at that point, then I don't understand how you're not, you're 100% responsible for this situation.
	You made it yourself.
	I was.
	I totally played a part in it.
	I mean, I played a huge role in that.
	I lied about a lot of stuff to him.
	But at the same time, it's like the times that I did come clean to him and I was like, look, I don't want to do this anymore.
	He had, you know, and I told him straight up what it was.
	I'm like, I don't want to.
	Yeah, but you're still using this caveat where after I had started to come clean to him about the fact that these were mostly lies that I had told him, this type of thing.
	At that point, the man had an attachment.
	He had an attachment which had formed around you based around your lies.
	And so, of course, he had this attachment never would have existed, though, absent your lies.
	He's still being victimized, even if he's trying to reconcile the relationship.
	He's still being victimized by even trying to reconcile it because he has an attachment which would not be there if not for your lies.
	Well, he, you know, had multiple other women that he was like giving money to.
	So I don't see it completely as like I was, he has a problem.
	He deals with like testing over women in that way.
	Okay, well, suddenly it's really weird.
	You didn't mention anything about other women that he was sending money to.
	I did.
	I said he was talking to someone in Columbia that I found out about.
	Okay.
	Well, the thing is, is I think that if you string a person along and they become attached to you based around a set of lies, that even if they want to stay with you after they figure out that these are lies, many ways are still being victimized, wouldn't you agree?
	Yeah.
	I agree with that.
	I don't see how the accountability here really just isn't on your shoulders, to be honest with you.
	I think that, are you a Christian?
	Do you believe that?
	I am, yeah.
	What denomination are you, by the way?
	Are you non-denominational?
	I honestly don't know what denominations are.
	I just know I have a really good relationship with them.
	Did you get baptized?
	Stop justifying your lies.
	You took advantage of the man.
	You owe him the dollar back in the IRS.
	Should death look into this.
	Did you get baptized at the St. Baptist by chance?
	No. I got no. No.
	I don't know what a denomination my church is.
	I just know it's like a Christian church.
	What's it called?
	Well, yeah.
	Okay.
	Don't tell me what it's called, I guess.
	Never mind.
	don't want you to dox yourself i'm just sometimes just by the name of the church i can figure out the denominations why i ask so So in any case, I guess regardless of your denomination, yes, I'm a Christian.
	I'm not exactly sure where you're going with that.
	So my question was, like, so you know that obviously this world is not made perfectly in God's image.
	And you know that we are tempted daily.
	And we, even the best Christians, we all sin, even if it's not like as bad a sin as I was living in, but we all do.
	I'm sure you've sinned like at least three times this past week, and it's not something that you feel that you sinned three times today.
	Exactly, that's what I'm saying.
	So, what's but I don't understand what the point is.
	Okay, let me get to the point, please.
	Okay, so my thing is that, yes, what I was doing was wrong, and I was not fully, I had not fully came to Christ and tried to live my life by him yet.
	Um, I was still very much living for the world, I was still very much living by this like societal image of like I didn't like being called a city girl, but obviously that lifestyle of like take it, spend it.
	I want to look like live this luxury lifestyle that it's all over social media.
	Like, I was 23, 24 at the time, and I was trying to just you know live my best life.
	I wasn't living with Christ.
	Yes, but do you understand that the point of Christianity is the salvation of Jesus Christ due to his sacrifice for your sins?
	Yeah, and that it's through Jesus Christ from which you are saved.
	Your sins can be washed away, but the material stain that you leave behind on the world, you're still responsible for the things that you have done.
	Christianity is not a form of salvation, which then states that all wrongs that you've done now are also washed away.
	And I'm in this material world, the non-metaphysical world, right?
	You have wronged this person horribly.
	That's why the chat is asking how you plan to compensate for that.
	Just saying that you have been saved, right, is I don't understand how that somehow alleviates the burden of responsibility that you have.
	Well, yeah, I mean, we're also talking about like a too long, a two-year-long relationship I had with this man.
	Like, I totaled a car due to him, so that was like $50,000 of my own money.
	Like, it was my car that I bought before I met him, gone.
	Wait, how's that his fault?
	He was drunk driving my car.
	Oh, he was driving the car.
	Yeah.
	I thought you said you totaled it.
	Well, I took fault for it because I just wasn't going to make him get a DUI.
	So, you got the DUI?
	No, I didn't get a DUI, but I wasn't drunk.
	If, do you, like, yeah.
	So, there's a lot of things.
	Um, just insurance didn't take care of it.
	He hit parked cars.
	Okay.
	So, yeah, no.
	Car gone.
	Um, also got a car in his name, and it, like, he repoed it because he ended up not wanting to pay for it anymore.
	Like, there's a lot of things that I know that I got my karma, if you want to say, or just, like, the world gave me what I was owed in that relationship.
	Like, I don't sit here and think about it.
	Karma is a non-Christian value, just so you know.
	I know, I'm just saying for like people that see it that way.
	Eula sees the pagan donated $200.
	If this was gender reversed, the male would be vilified.
	Funny when it's the woman that does the victimization, it's still the man's fault for being a sap.
	Hey, pagan man, really appreciate it.
	Um, let's, we're gonna have to get the other people's intros, but we can perhaps come back to this in a little bit.
	But, um, were there, I mean, I'm assuming there were like other people that you scammed too.
	Like, it wasn't just one guy, it was probably how many people do you think you scammed?
	Um, honestly, just him.
	I had a sugar daddy.
	No, I had a sugar daddy when I was 20, but he just took me shopping, and he was like more of a rich friend.
	He didn't expect anything out of the like friendship, but then there were the guys at the club.
	Yeah, you were scamming them, yeah.
	But they, I feel like, you know, if you're a man going into a club trying to have sex with the woman and you're willing to pay for it, like at the time, I just felt like that's kind of what they deserved.
	Do you think prostitution should be legalized?
	No, wow.
	Okay.
	Well, I mean, You have your own objections to it, but I mean whether they deserve it or not.
	I mean, so there's the there's a civil and criminal component of fraud.
	So if you essentially agree, I'll do X for but that's the thing is I never said I agreed.
	I said we're gonna have fun, you'll have a great time.
	That's the thing is like it's right, but even you seem to acknowledge that this is a scam.
	Like you said, you said it's a scam, so there's some component of you knowing that that's their expectation, and you're kind of like...
	Have you ever been to a strip club?
	Uh...
	I went once when I was 18, 19, something like that.
	Okay, so just picture like the worst men that are going.
	First of all, I assume you wouldn't have sex with the random girl that you met at a strip club.
	No, in fact, I didn't even spend any money, so you would have fucking hated me.
	I just went to the gym.
	My friends trapped.
	They're like, Brian, come.
	I was like, eh.
	I loved when people would just like have conversations.
	Because it's like, it was terrible.
	No offense.
	No, I hate strip clubs.
	I can't even go like...
	They almost kicked me out because I didn't spend any money.
	Yeah, they're like that.
	No, but I just don't feel like they really deserve to get like it's I just feel like what they were going in was to do something wrong and dirty.
	And somebody, somebody, if somebody breaks into your house and they steal your illegal drugs, you're still the victim of a crime.
	You realize that.
	Okay.
	But that's.
	Do you know why that would be?
	Because the interaction between the dealer and the person who bought the drugs was done via consent.
	So the person who got the drugs consented to it.
	Then the person who sold the drugs consented to it.
	Though it's a crime, it's not a crime of consent.
	If you had those then illicit drugs at your home and a person broke in and stole them, you could report those drugs stolen and they would still go to jail for a crime and they should go to jail for a crime.
	So just saying that these people were perhaps morally reprehensible does not mean that you have license to then scam them.
	It would still be criminal.
	You can't defraud people just because you think that they're scumbags, right?
	Again, I was in a very different place in my life at this time.
	Well, anyways, we can come back to it if need be.
	Guys, the TTS has been boosted.
	TTS is now up to 200.
	Ben, we'll read your $69 one that came through earlier once we get through all the intros.
	So TTS is now 200, just FYI.
	Name, age, location, occupation?
	Hi.
	Yes, my name is Asia.
	I am 52 years old.
	I live in Los Angeles, and I am one of the hosts of the Glow Up Girls podcast.
	And I'm also in the beauty industry.
	That's my day job.
	All right.
	Did you go to university or college or anything like that?
	In Texas, yes.
	University of Texas.
	What did you study?
	Communications.
	Bachelor's, master's.
	Bachelor's.
	Okay.
	And you've, before getting into the beauty industry, were you doing other kind of work?
	I was an actress.
	Okay.
	And what did you do in the beauty industry?
	I am a regional trainer for a big corporation.
	Like hair, makeup?
	Skin.
	Skin.
	Yeah.
	For the last 10 years, I've been dealing with everything in the skin industry or skin care.
	Oh, wait.
	What was the one, the 69 that just came through?
	I feel like I ought to read it just for.
	All right, hold on, dude.
	It came through right at the end there.
	Why don't you introduce yourself?
	Go ahead.
	Hello.
	My name is Serena.
	I'm 21 years old from Monterey Park, and I am a manager at Top Golf.
	All right.
	Do you do content at all?
	No, no content at all.
	Okay.
	All right.
	What about you?
	Hi, I'm Christy.
	I live in China Hills, California.
	I'm a licensed esthetician and I specialize in sugaring hair removal.
	I'm also on the podcast with Asia doing the globe girls.
	And age?
	53.
	All right, welcome.
	Any university school?
	I went to Pasadena City College, got my associates there, and then went to the trade school to learn esthetician.
	Are you in school at all?
	I am in school, yes.
	What are you studying?
	I'm right now.
	I'm studying business administration.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	Hi, I'm Lexi.
	I'm 18.
	I live in Santa Barbara and I'm a student right now.
	At the city college or yes, what are you studying?
	Justice studies.
	Justice studies, what's that?
	I'm not really sure, but I want to be a lawyer, and I feel like it's a good background for when I transfer.
	Got it.
	And are you from Santa Barbara originally?
	I grew up in Carpanduria, then I moved to Calabasas.
	Okay, got it.
	So you're going into your first year?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	So you haven't taken any classes yet, so you know.
	Justice, is that like social justice or is that like social and criminal?
	I'm studying criminal first semester.
	Okay, I see.
	All right.
	What about you?
	My name is Claudia, but my friends call me Cece.
	I'm 20.
	I won't be 21 soon, though, like in like 12 days.
	And then I'm a pharmacy specialist, tech.
	Okay, welcome back.
	Welcome back.
	I'm Morgan.
	I'm 18.
	I go to the city college studying political science.
	All right.
	I'm Maddie.
	I'm 19.
	I work on the podcast.
	I'm also a student at City College.
	Okay.
	And then, Andrew, what about you?
	My name is Andrew Wilson.
	I'm the host of the Crucible.
	It is, to my knowledge, the fastest-growing debate channel on the internet.
	Well, at least on YouTube.
	I'm a political analyst, a political satirist, and I occasionally enjoy engaging in debates from time to time.
	All right, welcome, everybody.
	I will read the 69 one that came through kind of right there on the cusp.
	It was from Peacecraft.
	Peacecraft says, I really want to know what these women think, but before we do, I'd really like to ask them how they would feel if they didn't have breakfast this morning.
	Quick answer from all.
	So how would you feel if you didn't have breakfast this morning?
	I'd be exhausted right now.
	I would be hangry.
	I didn't have breakfast, but I feel great.
	Okay, okay.
	I would be totally grumpy.
	Probably really hungry.
	I would be like mad because I like pizza.
	I would be hungry.
	Tired, hangry.
	All right.
	Thank you, Peacecraft.
	Appreciate it.
	I'm glad I was able to catch that there.
	We're going to go around the table once more, and then we'll get to Ben's question.
	What's your current relationship status?
	So are you single, talking stage, situation ship, friends with benefits, relationship, married, polycule, sex cult, harem, whatever it may be?
	If you're single, how long have you been single?
	And what's the longest relationship you've ever been in?
	Go ahead.
	I'm in a relationship currently.
	We've been together for a little over a year.
	I'm planning to get married next month.
	And my longest relationship was like seven years.
	Seven years.
	Okay.
	And you're 26, right?
	Yeah.
	And you've been in a new relationship for one year, you said?
	Yeah, a little over one year.
	From what age to what age was your seven-year relationship?
	It was like on and off the last three years, 15 to 22.
	And it was on and off again?
	For like the last two years.
	How many times was it?
	We would take like six months breaks.
	How many times total?
	Was it off and off?
	Two times?
	Took like a year off.
	Who would end things?
	Hmm?
	Who would end things?
	Sorry, what?
	You said it was an on-again, off-again.
	Oh, yeah, we would just break up because we have a daughter.
	So we broke up.
	Yeah, I have a child.
	So we broke up for like six months and then we got back together for a year and then we broke up again and that was it.
	Okay.
	And you had a child how long into the relationship?
	Actually when we broke up when I was like 16, I got pregnant.
	So two years into the relationship or something like that.
	Oh, you got pregnant at 16.
	Okay, I see.
	Does he pay child support?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Just curious, how much?
	Not anything.
	Oh, he doesn't.
	That's why I danced because he barely pays anything.
	I just got it raised to like $70.
	It used to be $37 a month.
	Okay.
	All right.
	And that's your only kid?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Do you want more kids?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	But hang on, just to ask, with such a low number, does he have joint physical and legal custody then?
	Yeah, unfortunately.
	Yeah, so he gets the kid every other week or weekend or something like that?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, it's like a weird joint, it's like a weird split.
	It's like a 5-2-5.
	Yeah, so I mean, why should he pay child support?
	That's right?
	Like, why should he?
	I pay for insurance.
	I pay for all her dental care that comes out of pocket.
	I pay for all of her school clothing, her school.
	Like, I pay for everything.
	He literally at this point is living in a one-bedroom with my daughter.
	But does he have half the custody, though?
	Yeah, and I. Does he have her half the time is my question?
	Currently, yeah, but he can't.
	Yeah, so I mean, if he has her half the time, why would he need to pay you support?
	Just, you know, like, that's, isn't, isn't that absurd to make the request that if the father has the kid half of the time, they're already taking care of half of the child's rearing, right?
	Most of, like I said, I pay for most of her clothes, most of everything, even when she's at his house.
	Wait, is it 50-50 custody?
	Yeah.
	But the time share is not 50-50?
	No, it is.
	It is.
	It's 50-50 time.
	But what I'm saying is, like, I pay for a majority of her health care, everything like that.
	Like, it's not, it shouldn't.
	He should have less time, is what I'm saying.
	Wait, is it, it's, and it's gone through the court system?
	Yeah, so it was, uh, yeah, like, four years ago, three years ago when we broke up.
	Who brought it to court?
	You were I did.
	You did?
	Yeah.
	You were.
	Because he wasn't seeing her at the time.
	He wasn't spending any time with her.
	I see.
	Okay.
	And then you said, unfortunately, he gets.
	50%, yeah.
	Why is that unfortunate, don't you?
	No, I would love for him to spend time with her, but it's unfortunate because it's not used productively, and he's just not, I don't feel like taking care of her as best as he could.
	It's a damn good thing that women in this situation don't get to make that adjudication because from the perspective of many women, they're always going to think that they're the better caretaker than the man.
	We have no demonstration of evidence to the contrary, and there's no way for us to have any demonstration to the contrary.
	But if he has 50% custody, then I think that whatever argument that you have for needing child support goes out the window anyway.
	Well, I just feel like the court system pities a single father sometimes, especially when they should.
	Pale and well met.
	Lol Paladins donated $200.02.
	Remember, fellas, $50 to $50, and it doesn't matter how broke you are, she will keep coming after your last $37 a month.
	She is all women, and she will blame you for it in public.
	Yo, Lol Paladins, thank you, man.
	There's another one coming in right now, so I'll just preempt it.
	Good to see you in the chat, Lol Paladins.
	Thank you for the TTS, man.
	50-15 doesn't matter how broke.
	Have you ever paid him child support?
	Yeah, they tried to.
	Hillary Epstein donated $200, appreciate it.
	U.S. court system sucks.
	Divorce dad 50-50 custody 223 schedule.
	$1,750 a month and truly $50-50.
	Are you in California?
	Ridiculous.
	Hillary, where are you at?
	California's pretty bad.
	Sorry to hear that, man.
	You were going to have to pay him child support?
	Yeah, he had requested it at one point for me to pay child support.
	He had gone to welfare and asked for all this help because he just didn't want to get a job.
	Yeah.
	Because if he doesn't have a job, they can't take money from him.
	And was he awarded child support?
	No, because I had proof he was working under the table as a security guard.
	Well, but like, weren't you making all this money, too?
	This was at a time where I wasn't, like, I wasn't dancing as much or doing.
	I didn't have this was way before that.
	I mean, you said this guy.
	You dated him for two years, right?
	Yeah, it was before the situation.
	Before the kid?
	No, before the, like, I guess sugar daddy or whatever you want to call him, fake fiancé.
	The fake fiancé was that was after.
	After what?
	After we had gone to court and everything.
	Oh.
	Like, after he tried to take me to court to get him to pay, to get me to pay him.
	But I mean, were you because I mean, there's assessments when it comes to child support.
	Were you reporting to the court this dancing money?
	Yeah.
	In the state of California, you get paychecks.
	The money this guy was giving you.
	Oh, yeah.
	I have.
	I mean, Apple Cash reports what you make.
	But if you guys are 50-50, why aren't you paying him child support?
	It sounds like you would have been out earning him.
	You said you made $250,000 over the course of two years.
	I mean, that's just like an estimate because that's also including what he spent on shopping and me getting my boobs done and all of that.
	Sure.
	But you said you would like, you'd get his phone, you'd send yourself like $5,000.
	In total out of everything, because just my breasts were like $50,000.
	Is that the cost of titties?
	I went to a really well-known doctor in Beverly Hills, which.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	So, I mean, it doesn't, it was like altogether like close to $250,000.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Well, she also said that he knew she was taking the money.
	Yeah, like he, thank you.
	He knew.
	It's not like he didn't know.
	Like he would see like, oh, I sent you $2,000.
	Like, okay, what did you send that for?
	And I'd be like, oh, I need to pay this.
	He's like, okay, well, you know, I'm not going to give you money like next week or something.
	And then.
	Well, yeah, because you were supposed to be his future wife.
	So he's taking care of you.
	Okay, but if we really go based off of that, he was also talking to other women.
	So it's like.
	And I would like to add: do you not think a 52-year-old man knows what's happening with a 22-year-old girl?
	He knows what he's paying for.
	But he wasn't getting anything.
	Wait, wait, wait, hang on a second.
	Just to get this right, if the burden of evidence was that this gentleman had not, hang on.
	If the burden of evidence had not.
	Lol Paladins donated $200.02.
	Seriously, Brian.
	You think she reported the $250K in cash to the IRS?
	The men aren't the only people she scams.
	The government is a victim to.
	All right.
	And I can see that the sisterhood of accountability is driving right in here, right?
	Sisterhood can't take accountability.
	It's against their nature.
	But to dive in, can you explain to me how this man was not victimized by this woman?
	Can you explain that to me?
	I'm not saying that he's talking to me.
	I think you're being really dramatic by using the word victimized because he does.
	He did know she was taking the money and he was willing.
	He was willing.
	There are pretenses.
	I don't know.
	I don't know.
	I don't know him.
	But what I'm saying is, I'm not sure.
	She literally said she was taking money under false pretenses and called it a scam.
	I think she was talking, I think she was talking about scams.
	Would it be fair if I was having sex with him?
	Yeah, no, I would care still, but can you explain to me real quick?
	It's fair if I was having sex.
	Okay, can you let us push our conversation?
	What do you think scam means?
	What do you think that means?
	Do you think that means I'm being very truthful about my intentions or do you think it means something else?
	No, you're not being truthful.
	Yeah, you're not being truthful.
	So would you call that false pretenses?
	I guess so.
	But what I'm saying is, I think that there are segments of men that understand what they are paying for and that this is the situation that because they are paying for attention.
	How do you somehow manage to manage to do the mental gymnastics necessary after she tells the entire story, explains it herself as a scam, says she took this money under false pretenses to still somehow try to justify it as her being the victim?
	I'm not saying she's the victim.
	We did, because you started this by saying this.
	You started this entire engagement by saying he knew exactly what he was doing because he's 53 years old, implying that she's actually being victimized here.
	I didn't exactly say that.
	What I said is, do you not think that he doesn't?
	He may not know that or he may not understand that that's what he was paying for.
	But what I'm saying is there are segments of men that do pay for attention.
	Yes.
	From younger women.
	There are older men pay for attention from younger women.
	Do you agree that there are segments of men who eat watermelon?
	Do you agree with that statement?
	Yes, okay, great.
	What the fuck does that have to do with scamming a man?
	What is saying there are segments of men who do X have anything to do with the current conversation that we're having?
	She's talking about scamming her clients at the strip club.
	She did say she was scamming.
	She had a fake fiancé.
	So her pretense was to not marry the man.
	But what I'm saying is, let's consider maybe he knew what he was paying for as well.
	That's all I'm saying.
	Okay, it's really funny, though.
	He knew that.
	Why is it that this needs to be looked at in the best light from the interest of the woman instead of in the interest from the man?
	That's my question to you.
	Why should we instantly look at this as some sort of, well, he's 53.
	I'm sure he didn't, you know, he knew.
	He knew exactly what's going on.
	Why should we assume that?
	Why should we assume that a person who then makes the claim that they knew it was done under false pretenses amount of money?
	What do you think his incentive was to do that?
	Although this may be anecdotal, but I am 52 and I speak to a lot of 52 plus year old men that do tell me that they date younger women, pay for their bills, because they feel like that's the rite of passage.
	Because after they get divorced, they want to go and feel like they want their ego stroked and they want to be with a young girl.
	Oh, well, let me give you some anecdotes back.
	Having talked now to hundreds upon hundreds of women on this podcast, let me explain that there are many women who are in their early 20s who constantly seek out older men specifically for the purposes of capturing their resources and they're in complete control.
	They are in total control and they often do it under false pretenses.
	And then when they're called out on the false pretenses for which they have done this under, the sisterhood all gets together and makes excuses for her.
	Why do you think that is?
	Why does the sisterhood all get together to make excuses for scam artist women?
	Can you explain that to me?
	I'd actually like to know the answer to that.
	I'm speaking for myself and I'm speaking for you.
	I know I'm speaking to you about yourself.
	I know, and I'm speaking.
	I'm not, you know what?
	I am defending her a little bit because you are coming down really hard on her, and we're not taking in consideration that the man, and there are men that understand what they're paying for.
	Ah, but if I may jump in, if I may jump in here a little bit.
	So let's just grant that everything that was given willingly was copacetic.
	Although she does seem to concede that there was a component of misrepresentation as to her interest in him because fake husband, whatever.
	But even setting all that aside, she admitted that she would go on his phone while he was drunk and without his permission, without his consent, send his money to her.
	In what universe are you prepared to actually defend that specific action?
	Well, she said she told him.
	So if a woman told him, okay.
	Oh my God.
	Fuck.
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	Please don't scam people, you jekyll.
	Defending bad behavior is bad.
	All right, Rath PSA.
	Thank you, man.
	Appreciate it.
	Sorry, I was.
	Thank you, Rath.
	So let me ask you a question.
	If a woman is being victimized in some way, I'll let your imagination run wild, but she knows that she's being victimized, does that change the degree to which she's being victimized?
	Wow, that's that went over my head a little bit.
	I'm going to use a very extreme example.
	Okay.
	A woman is in the.
	I can't believe I'm going to bring it here.
	A woman's being essayed, but she knows she's being essayed, so it's okay.
	Essayed.
	Oh, oh, oh, okay.
	She's being essayed.
	Got it.
	Yeah.
	She knows she's being essayed.
	Does that make it okay?
	No.
	So in this situation where this man is essentially, I don't know if it's wire fraud, if it's what kind of theft exactly, the legal term for what's going on.
	She's going on this phone without his permission.
	It's theft.
	Grand theft.
	This is felony-level money that's being moved around here.
	Grid one motorsport donated $200 and one cent.
	I said that.
	As a 53-year male, you disgust me.
	A scam is a scam is a scam, and you forking know it.
	The fact you charlatans defend this sort of actions is what sets women as a hole back in all men's eyes.
	Be better.
	All right, grid one.
	Thank you, man.
	Appreciate it.
	So, again, like he, she claims, we don't know his story.
	She claims he was aware of this.
	But then, if he was aware of this, why would she need to secretly do this?
	Couldn't you just have asked for money instead of having to secretly go on his phone and just like getting sex, like he would sometimes be more greedy, obviously?
	Wait, I don't see how that's relevant at all.
	Well, because I would ask for the money and he'd be like, oh, well, like, you know, you don't even want to like kiss me.
	You don't even want to like make out with me.
	So, like, I don't, I don't know.
	Like, I already sent you like this or that.
	And then the next day, if he would see the transactions, he wouldn't like ever get mad about it or like ask me, like, why did you do that?
	He'd be like, okay, that's fine.
	Like, you know, if you're going to, yeah, you did ask me for the money.
	I didn't want to give it to you.
	Like, here, you already have it.
	This seems a bit dubious, but in any case, you did seem to be.
	Well, this is a post hoc justification.
	So he said no.
	And then he took it anyway.
	And then after you took it, he's like, well, okay.
	He's like, is it better to ask for forgiveness than permission?
	This is like a man that was, like I said, he was spending money to like other women in other countries.
	He was the type of guy that flies to Columbia to just get some pussy.
	How does that?
	I don't understand.
	Let's say for a second he was a serial killer.
	That's what he did on the side, and you discovered this.
	How would him being a serial killer justify your actions?
	Okay, say I wasn't me and I was an innocent bystanding or an innocent girl that actually wanted to be in a relationship with him.
	And he's going off of this pretense of like, I want to be your husband.
	I want to get married.
	And he's having sex with her, all the things, but he's still talking to these other women in Colombia.
	Like, if it weren't going to be, that would be wrong.
	And what was the perspective of it was that, okay, you're going to either do all the extra stuff you do to someone else, or I can just get like kind of, you know, what I need out of this.
	Let me engage directly.
	Yes, if you were an innocent bystander and you were looking to have some kind of great, healthy relationship with this guy and you really were in love with him and you were doing everything right and he was off gallivanting all over Colombia humping prostitutes, then yes, that would be completely and totally wrong.
	And that exactly was not happening in this case.
	What?
	Yeah, but you guys clearly do not understand.
	Like the caliber of man he was was not one of like honor, he was clearly a dog question like oh, I see, so just make this is all.
	But this is all justifying bad behavior, right?
	When does the Christian part come out?
	When does the Christian part come out instead of the justification?
	Where does the responsibility portion come out?
	Oh, i've taken my responsibility of this already with him.
	Like no, all you do is making justifications for how horrible he was and that he deserved it.
	He actually i'm making justifications for how I was acting at that time, but like, that is not currently me and that is not clearly how I believe anyone should be, behave or act or do that to.
	Like I feel wrong for what I did.
	I'm not saying I don't just because i'm trying to have you understand where I was and what I was doing.
	Like yeah, at that time I didn't see it as wrong, I didn't care, I didn't care about him, I cared about surviving.
	I was selfish, I was living for myself.
	I've already said that.
	Like yeah, I did not give a about him or how he felt.
	Like I didn't.
	I justified it in my head at that point.
	Who?
	Who was responsible for this?
	Yeah, I did take advantage of him, but at the same time, so you were responsible.
	There's no at the same time.
	Just, you were responsible, your actions, you were responsible.
	Without you, none of this would have happened right sure yeah okay so, going back to you um, i'm just a little confused.
	He knew, but I you're trying to make it sound like I need to say that it was his fault.
	I'm not saying it's his fault, i'm saying let's get consider.
	Maybe he knew what the situation was.
	That's all i'm saying.
	We see it all the time you talk about you have all your podcast guests come on and talk about it all the time.
	Men, there are a lot of men out there that pay for attention, from young girls, Girls or any woman, any attractive woman, or anyone that will even pay attention to him.
	That's all I'm saying.
	Well, yes, they do it, but there's two components here.
	There's the component of she's leading him on with absolutely zero intention of any romantic or sexual attention being received by him at any point.
	And then there's the component of there's again, even if granting all the willing money that he sent her is copacetic, totally fine, there's still the component of she went on his phone and was like sending herself money from his phone.
	But he was fine with that.
	But that's what I'm going based off of her saying I would tell him, he said that's fine.
	Well, that's where I'm going based off.
	Like if it would be a real problem, he probably would have already like tried to take me to court or, you know, press charges or something.
	Well, I have to push back on this because how many women stay with abusive men?
	Just because the women stay with abusive men does not justify the abuse that the woman is going through.
	Well, she, I mean, she stayed with him, so she didn't go to court or anything or didn't go to the police, but he was smacking her around.
	So, I mean, she was okay with it.
	I get.
	Does that make sense?
	Of course, it doesn't make sense.
	So, where he's going to is because you're saying, oh, he was a dirtbag.
	He deserved it, right?
	The guys in the strip club are gross.
	They deserve it.
	I'm not saying the guy deserved it.
	I'm only saying let's open up the possibility that he understood what he was paying for and what was going on.
	But then, why would you?
	Because it happens all the time.
	Okay, listen, I agree with you.
	Okay, so let me give you a little bit of like an olive branch here.
	I agree with you that there are men who exist in this world who in that situation would have known that that was going on.
	You have zero evidence that that was the case.
	Zero.
	None.
	Zilch.
	And hang on, because you have zero evidence that that was the case, you should not leap to that assumption.
	What it looks like is you're deflecting on behalf of somebody else in order to protect somebody else, based on zero evidence whatsoever that that is the case, when all the evidence we've heard tonight is to the contrary.
	I feel like he is someone that is used to spending money on women to have sex and to get what he wants out of them.
	And the fact he knew I was obstinate at the time, I feel like the whole oh, let me marry you, like proposing to me was just a gist, thinking it would get us closer to intimacy.
	And that was on the third date, because he knew that nothing was happening.
	I hadn't kissed him, hadn't done nothing with him and at this time he was already spending four thousand dollars on me.
	On the second time we hung out shopping like he expected things to happen very early on that weren't happening, and I feel like you know I told him like I'm not having sex until I get married, like I just don't want to have sex with anyone like that, because I started getting closer into like my faith of knowing, like my worth and I just didn't want to like entangle myself with a bunch of people anymore.
	At that point you were just to be clear how long ago was this relationship UM.
	This started when I was like about to turn 23.
	And you said you were waiting until marriage to have sex.
	So you've been celibate for the past four years?
	I was celibate until earlier last year.
	What happened to waiting until marriage?
	I fell into a really dark place in my life.
	That needed to be fixed by sexual intercourse.
	Yeah, I mean, honestly, I was, I was, I feel like a lot of men can agree when you needed your ego stroked.
	I needed my ego stroked.
	I was like not dancing anymore.
	He was no longer paying for anything.
	I was kind of like really losing myself again.
	And so, yeah, I had sex with someone.
	Just him?
	That's the only guy you've had.
	One person.
	And then several months later, I started dating my now boyfriend.
	And you've had sex with him?
	Yeah, but we've been on and on abstinent, trying to not.
	When's the last time you had sex?
	Yesterday?
	No, I want to say like in June.
	Okay.
	And then before that, it was like a month without having sex.
	Oh, so hey guys, so how long have you been abstinent?
	It was three years until last like January.
	But you just needed your ego stroke.
	Yeah, I was going through some difficult things.
	And then when were you baptized?
	Last year.
	Was this before you decided to throw the abstinence out of the window?
	I was already dating my now boyfriend.
	Yeah, so, but it was before you threw the abstinence out the window?
	No, it was after.
	So you were baptized afterwards?
	Yeah, I was baptized after I started dating my now boyfriend.
	Couple questions.
	And your now boyfriend, are you still engaged in?
	Is this your now-boyfriend?
	Yeah.
	And are you engaged in a sexual relationship with this person as well?
	Like I said, we're trying to stay abstinent until we get married.
	Trying.
	Trying is a very strange.
	trying is a very yeah because it's it's really hard when you both lust after each other and you're trying to like stain from having sex when you obviously have a physical craving That's just what flesh is.
	You want that into your life.
	I understand all that.
	My direct question to you is: are you engaged in a sexual relationship with your current boyfriend?
	Yeah, but we haven't had sex in like a month.
	In a month.
	Wait, so.
	Or when was June?
	That was.
	So you said there was like a guy who you had a short fling with and a guy you've been in a relationship with.
	Did they have to spend like have they spent money on you?
	Well, my boyfriend made me a stay-at-home girlfriend, but that's only for the purpose of like we are very what's the word?
	We're very like I can't think of the word right now.
	We're just we know what we want to do moving forward with our grid one Motorsports donated $200 and one cent.
	As the hawk to a girl said recently, what fills the hole often does not fill the soul.
	So choose wisely words to live by.
	From one DGN to all of you digens.
	Okay.
	I saw that interview.
	That was kind of funny.
	Thank you, Grid One.
	Really appreciate it, man.
	Wait, and like, just curious, so there's the fling.
	You said it was kind of an ego thing for you, right?
	Yeah.
	So like, was it like a one-night stand?
	Like, you met him in the bar?
	No, we met and we went on a couple dates and then he went back because he wasn't from here.
	He went back to where he lives, which is the UK.
	And then we were like talking for several months.
	And then I ended up going out there to see him.
	How soon into the, like, was it the first date, second date that you guys hooked up?
	Or?
	Um, I want to say the third date because he was leaving.
	So, me, I was just thinking, like, you're leaving.
	And yeah.
	And what about the current boyfriend?
	First date, second date, third date?
	Um, it was, it was the first date, but I wasn't like, again, I, that was like right after each other, not right after each other.
	That sounds gross.
	Wait, it wasn't like.
	So he's going back to the UK.
	It was.
	How soon did you meet the new guy?
	Um, like March.
	Wait, so I met the new guy January.
	I met my boyfriend.
	We started, no, April.
	We started talking in April.
	Wait, you met the British guy.
	Is he British?
	Yeah.
	You met him in January?
	And then he was leaving.
	So, okay, he was.
	He retained me for like two weeks.
	He was here.
	When did he leave?
	I met him like several days before he left.
	When did he leave?
	January?
	January, yeah.
	And then you met your now boyfriend in April.
	Yes.
	Last April.
	Yeah.
	This was like last year, yeah.
	Well, hold on.
	I mean, this two-year guy, I'm waiting till marriage.
	Da-da-da-da-da.
	With the two most recent men that you've had sex with, one was he was leaving soon, and there was absolutely no prospects of long-term relationship because he was.
	I thought there would be.
	I was like retarded.
	Oh, I can't say that.
	I'll tell you.
	I was, I was, yeah, no.
	I was, I was, like I said, I was like in a low place and I was like, not thinking.
	I was just thinking for my ego.
	And but then your current boyfriend, first night.
	Yeah, because I was, again, like, I was not in the greatest place.
	I thought I was going to.
	Weren't you in a bad place when you were dating the.
	Yeah, it was a long period of like I was losing everything.
	But why does the 53-year-old get I'm waiting till marriage and then like these guys first date, second date, third date?
	Well, because he's 53.
	I met him at a strip club, and that's kind of what the whole aspect of it was from the whole like.
	Yeah, so you were using him.
	Yeah, I've said that.
	I don't know why you guys keep asking it like this.
	Because it's a post hoc.
	I'll tell you why we keep we kind of keep getting confused.
	Keep getting confused because the post hoc justification.
	Meaning, every single time you kind of take responsibility for this and say, Yes, I was using him and this and that, you give us a series of qualifiers for that.
	And it's a series of qualifiers that are bothersome, right?
	Yeah, I'm responsible, but he kind of had it coming.
	Yeah, I'm responsible, but he knew what was going on.
	Yeah, I'm responsible, but yeah, I'm responsible, but yeah, I'm responsible, but that's why, that's why it's confusing.
	Because the question really is, in this particular case, if you're using this guy and you scam this guy and you did all these, you know, horrific things to this guy, myself and the entirety of the audience is actually confused as to how this isn't just really just kind of your fault and that you're just kind of playing fast and loose with the idea of, well, I didn't want to lower my morality.
	Doesn't seem like it had much to do with morality.
	You just didn't want to screw him because he was 53, right?
	Isn't that what was going on?
	Well, I just saw him as like a trick.
	Like he was just some guy from the club.
	The guy that I had met from the UK wasn't, I met him back at a nightclub.
	I never go out like that.
	And so it was, to me at the time, felt very destiny, stupid.
	Like it was dumb.
	It was very dumb and like I said, ego-driven.
	And in that time of like, I was slowly starting to let go of the 53-year-old.
	I was letting go of dancing.
	I had no money.
	It was a fat ego stroke for me to like completely change my life within like a matter of like three months, four months.
	It's not something, and I think that's kind of like what I was trying, I guess, to bring to the show is that like, I feel like you guys interview a lot of girls and don't realize like getting out of the fast money is not easy, and it's really hard to do that gracefully.
	And even like you're saying, like, you know, I'm not taking ownership, I'm taking ownership 100% that I, what I did was wrong.
	Restitution.
	He doesn't want anything like that.
	He's still trying to give me money.
	Yeah, he doesn't, he's still trying to give me money.
	Wait, so Andrew, I think we gotta also just address like he knows I have a boyfriend.
	He knows that, like, this guy ain't perfectly like, how do I, how do I frame this?
	Like, he's a sucker.
	He's a sucker and a simp.
	Like, bro, you should, as a dude, you should not be spending, I don't care if you're trying to bag like a younger girl, like a younger woman, whatever.
	Like, you can't be spending this kind of money on a chick.
	I'm sorry, Brian.
	I'm not willing to go to the what about the Mendo argument.
	In this case, I see somebody who's clearly been victimized and has clearly been victimized multiple crimes.
	And even if right now this person's still pining after this woman, this was all done under a false assumption of a potential for some type of long-term relationship by her own admission.
	So even the feelings which he could be feeling right now, he may not ordinarily have had if he was not let on.
	So I'm just not willing to put the ball back in his court for responsibility just yet.
	Oh, I'm not like saying that there's no blame on her, but I'm saying like you meet a stripper in a strip club, or even if you meet a normal woman, you should not be spending this sort of money on a woman.
	Like I would say this to any guy.
	I would say this to any dude.
	Like you shouldn't be spending this kind of money.
	So she's, I'm not saying she's like.
	Yeah, I agree.
	So I agree with you in spirit, but let me kind of make just a bit of a counter rebuttal here.
	So grandma gets called by a scammer at Target, goes down to Target, spends $500 on gift cards, gives them to the scammer.
	You would tell grandma not to do that, right?
	You'd say, grandma, you're getting suckered and this and that.
	But who's the victim there?
	The grandma.
	The grandma.
	You wouldn't tell grandma that, you know, grandma was, you know, you wouldn't beat up on grandma, in other words, right?
	You would tell grandma, like, look, you can't be doing this.
	This is bad for you to do.
	But you're doing that so that they avoid being suckered in the future, not because they themselves are doing something which is immoral or wrong.
	Well, so let me ask you this, though, Andrew.
	So I'm sure you would agree that there are some scenarios where men are they have agency and they're just willfully giving women this sort of money.
	Yeah, Samsung.
	And so there's certainly 100%, like the grandma example, it's a scam.
	There's women who are doing running love scams on men.
	But there are also men who are inclined to just give this money away to women who, the women themselves, I'm not saying that's even the case for her.
	The women themselves are not necessarily angling to scam the guy.
	So there are men who will just, like, the woman's not asking for it.
	They'll just like, they'll be soliciting essentially this sort of dynamic.
	I agree.
	And you're talking about the pay pick phenomenon, which we've so often kind of run into on this program with these women.
	However, I'm not convinced in this case that that is what's going on.
	And I haven't, as I'm kind of piecing this together from the story, that's not what I'm hearing here.
	I'm hearing that this guy is moving towards.
	Now, she says that she thinks that he's moving towards, I want to marry you so that she'll be physically intimate with him.
	And perhaps that's true, right?
	But it could also be the case that he just wanted a long-term relationship with her.
	I have no idea.
	There's no way for us to know that for sure.
	What we do know for sure, though, is that he did not want to give her some of his money, and she would just transfer it to herself.
	And then later, he would just say, well, fine, I guess since you did it, there's nothing I can do about it.
	And, you know, that's that.
	So I'm not sure exactly what he's done, which is wrong here.
	You know what I mean?
	Well, it's hard to say without knowing the full details.
	We're only getting one side of it.
	I imagine there's some degree of nuance here.
	I mean, look, this grandma example, I don't know if that maps on 100% one-to-one because typically, you know, with these older people, they'll call them up and they'll specifically target like much more elderly people, 70s, 80s, and they'll say, your grandson, your son's in jail.
	We need you to wire this money to us, blah, blah, blah.
	Oftentimes, these elderly people have early onset dementia or Alzheimer's, perhaps not fully developed, but very early on.
	A 53-year-old man, I think, would have a little more agency in the situation than, say, for example, a 73-year-old man.
	Again, I'm not excusing what she's done here, but to go into a strip club and be like, I'm going to wife up a stripper, you're fucking up.
	Like, you shouldn't do that.
	You shouldn't do that.
	I totally agree with you that that is a bad choice for you to make from a longevity point of view.
	But, Brian, you can't actually say that there's something immoral about it.
	It's not actually immoral to wife up a stripper.
	It's not immoral to do.
	It's just a bad idea.
	It's a bad idea.
	Yeah, so just like, so I think in the grandma analogy, it's the same thing, right?
	Grandma, it's a bad idea to let these scammers take advantage of you.
	You know what I mean?
	Grandma stopped doing that.
	Yes.
	But grandma still got scammed, right?
	She still got scammed, and the scammers got the gift card.
	So it's like, I'm not sure what to beat this guy up over other than being stupid.
	That's all I'm doing.
	That's it.
	That's all I'm doing.
	He is just very stupid.
	That's the extent of it.
	I'm certainly not trying to downplay.
	I mean, at least by the admissions that have already been made, I think there's plenty to find fault, no offense, in terms of the conduct from the lady over ownership of what I did.
	In any case, I've got to get through the relationship statuses.
	Maybe we'll get back to it.
	I think that's one of the first times me and Brian have had kind of a significant disagreement on the show and hashed out like that.
	I mean, there's been other times, I guess.
	Well, I don't know if we totally disagree.
	No, I think ultimately we do agree.
	Yeah, not trying to excuse the conduct here.
	I'm just saying, like, buyer beware to some degree, I guess.
	Well, the problem I have with this is, and I see this all the time, and it's blame shifting.
	It's the blame shifting that drives me crazy, right?
	It's like, as men, we understand that we can go to other men and say, look, you're fucking up.
	You're stupid.
	You know what I mean?
	I'm going to give you a smack to the back of the head.
	You know what they do in the old school writer?
	You're going to get cuffed.
	You're going to cuff you.
	You know, you got to stop fucking up, dude.
	You're out of your mind.
	Stop doing this shit.
	But men do that and correct each other.
	Whereas what I saw here tonight was just sisterhood stuff, right?
	Which is just kind of shifting and saying, yeah, you know, girl, you didn't.
	Yeah, it's okay.
	You know, there's all sorts of men who are like that.
	You do you.
	You're in a dark place.
	It's okay.
	It's always kind of this shift.
	And that's why I'm not so willing to kind of move into the, yeah, this guy's a fucking idiot and he kind of, you know, had it coming or this.
	I'm not really willing to give them that because I don't see the women kind of pushing on their end for the responsibility taking aspect.
	And it's like, if they're not going to do that, I don't know why we have to be so damn charitable to them.
	Oh, I don't think I was being charitable though.
	I don't think I was being charitable.
	No, no, no, not you.
	I'm not saying you.
	I'm just saying that this is why I take kind of issue with the idea of the sisterhood is because it seems that men are trying to correct.
	And I just see kind of excuse making on the women's side most often on these podcasts.
	I'm sure.
	And Andrew, by the way, I know, so one of the things that I'll often bring up that comes up frequently is like the whole waiting for sex thing.
	And like this scenario right here is actually like precisely why it irks me so much, where there's like one standard.
	There's a standard.
	Oh, I want to wait three months.
	I want to wait until marriage.
	And then like either concurrently or immediately after, they'll immediately just have sex with God like super quickly.
	Well, I think the thing that irks you so much about it is the idea of the faux virtue.
	So the idea is, I didn't do this with this guy because I wanted to be virtuous, right?
	But then I just did it right away with the next guy.
	And so it's like, well, it doesn't seem like you're very consistent then with your virtuosity, right?
	And so, of course, from the guy's perspective, he's going to feel like that's pretty horrible that you led me on for two years and kind of thought that I was lesser than the guy that you were willing to hook up with within the first night or a week or whatever.
	I've always understood that argument.
	I always thought that it was a very compelling one.
	Whether or not I spiritually agree with it, it's still a very compelling argument.
	What do you think about this one, Andrew?
	So maybe we'll get back to the relationship status here in just a moment.
	But ladies, how would you feel?
	So you've been dating a guy for two years, and this is the guy you want to get married to.
	You want to marry him.
	You really like him.
	And he's like, I need longer.
	We've only been dating for two years.
	I really need longer before I'm ready for that sort of commitment.
	Inevitably, you guys end up breaking up.
	Three months after the breakup, he immediately starts dating a new girl.
	They've only been dating for two months.
	He proposed to her after two months.
	How would you feel about that?
	You're just not the person for him.
	Right, but so he was saying the whole time, there's, and he was saying, like, I should have made this clear.
	He's been saying the whole time, there's no way I could ever like be ready to marry a girl without knowing her for like three years.
	And he says that.
	I would never consider marrying a girl unless I dated her for three years and we lived together, did all this stuff, blah, blah, blah.
	I mean, that happens all the time.
	I would just consider I was just the placeholder girl.
	I wasn't, I mean, I'm not going to be happy about it, but it is what it is.
	And perhaps the better framing would be, actually, also, like, you know, maybe she offered something I, you know, he didn't see in me in those three months.
	Right.
	I would feel like she has something that I didn't have to give to him.
	And so.
	And plus, I would try to like feel like I took somewhat responsibility for him wanting to marry someone because I trained him to be who he is today.
	So I'd be like, that's what I'm saying.
	I mean, it would make you feel pretty bad, right?
	Yes.
	No, not feeling bad.
	Oh, yeah, definitely.
	It would be her.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	So that's why that scene and why guys like Brian see that as a red flag.
	So there's kind of the two ways to look at this.
	The one way to look at it is, well, wait a second.
	If you want a woman with a low body count, then you probably shouldn't be sleeping with women because you add to their body count, right?
	This makes sense.
	It's coherent.
	It's logical.
	But on the other hand, how would it make you feel to know that you were trying to do everything in the most virtuous way possible?
	And you were dating a woman and she said, listen, I want to abstain due to virtue as well and wait until marriage.
	And then you guys broke up maybe, let's say, after nine months, and then she slept with the next guy on the very first date.
	Wouldn't that make you feel like total shit?
	I mean, from the man's perspective, wouldn't it make him just feel like just shit?
	Like they did everything right, right?
	And they got screwed over for doing everything correctly.
	I would feel like it was meant to be then because then it wasn't a match.
	People are removed from your life for a reason.
	And I would just be thankful that that happened.
	Yeah, I'm not even making the dispute that that's not, that that couldn't be true, right?
	All I'm asking is, wouldn't it make you feel like shit?
	Of course.
	Yes, and that's why that's why it's seen as a red flag is like, why would I want to make all of this investment in a woman who then comes to me and says, I want to have a virtuous relationship with you, so I'm abstaining.
	And then I found out in her last relationship, she slept with him the first night.
	As a man, why are you going into like women's past relationships like that, though?
	I feel like if you're dating someone, like the passionate matter.
	Well, we'll get to it.
	Oh, it shouldn't.
	So let me ask you a question, just a quick question.
	If a man has a history of domestic violence, does his past matter?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Okay, then.
	Is there anything else you wanted to add to that?
	But I'm saying like I wouldn't go digging into his like ex-relationships like, oh, when did you get that?
	No, you wouldn't?
	Wait, wait, I'm sorry.
	I'm sorry.
	If you were told by a friend of yours, if you were told by a friend of yours that a man you were dating had a history of domestic violence, you wouldn't go digging, really?
	I actually got told a lot about my current boyfriend.
	Like people came up to me and were telling me things about him when we went out.
	And from seeing his character, like I knew that that was just bullshit.
	Okay, you didn't go poking around though?
	I didn't need to because I didn't care about what was happening previously.
	What if you were told that he had a history of kid diddling?
	Would you go poking around then since you have a daughter at home?
	Of what?
	Kid did.
	If he wouldn't, I would use my discernment on that.
	What do you mean you'd use your discernment?
	If you were told you have a daughter at home, if you were told that somebody's a little bit more than a hundred and I would use my discernment on how he acts.
	If someone's eager to obviously meet my daughter, like, oh, yeah, like, bring me around your kid, then that's weird.
	I use my discernment on that's why he's the first person that ever died.
	Do you think that they're just going to announce themselves and all their creepy vibes are just going to come out at once?
	But I feel you can tell when men are like, you know, like, oh, why don't you bring me?
	Like, I had, I've dated people that wanted to meet my daughter like very early on.
	I was like, that's weird.
	Like, why do you want to hang out with a five-year-old?
	Okay, well, let me just ask this very simply then.
	Would you allow somebody who had ever diddled a kid around your daughter?
	Obviously not.
	Well, then I guess their history matters, doesn't it?
	Well, I think as men and women nowadays, we need to do our due diligence and we need to do our homework when we date someone.
	And you have to draw the line as to what's too much homework and, you know, stay within that boundaries of just doing your research on that individual just to protect yourself, too.
	And if you have kids, you got to protect them as well.
	So I'm all about doing research on someone, but not to let it go too far where it's going to just totally steer you in the right direction.
	Yeah, I understand what you're saying.
	So, and I think, I think that this is a more terrible way to view things, right?
	Can, if you nitpick anybody, you can always find something that you're going to be upset with or mad about or some decision that they made that could potentially make a red red flag.
	And if you obsess over it, I agree with you.
	I think that that's probably way outside of the gate.
	However, you have to admit that some things which would be red flags have got to have different priorities, right?
	So, domestic violence, for instance, that's going to be a high priority.
	Body count could be a high priority.
	There's going to be things which are going to be bigger red flags than other things, right?
	Like I think that Brian having OCD, for instance, likely isn't going to be as big of a red flag as if Brian hypothetically beat up his last girlfriend, right?
	Which one of those would you say is the bigger red flag?
	It depends on the person.
	Some people might not want to deal with someone.
	Someone might not want to deal with someone having OCD.
	I think there's deal breakers and then there's things that you can kind of deal with.
	So I'll grant to you that there could be one human being or two or three or 20 human beings who would qualify that OCD would make them more uncomfortable than a man who had a history of domestic abuse.
	Fine.
	Do you think that most people that that would be a priority for them?
	That OCD would in some way trump a history of domestic violence?
	Of course not.
	That's absurd, right?
	That's absurd.
	So that's why I'm saying I think that there should be a prioritization of what these red flags are.
	But I agree with you in spirit that if you just go crazy trying to dig into every little aspect of any individual, you're going to find something.
	Right.
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	Okay.
	Relationship status.
	Go ahead.
	Single last longest relationship was 10 years.
	Oh, and I've been single for a year and a half from that 10-year.
	So you've been single for how long?
	A year and a half.
	1.5.
	And it was a 10-year relationship?
	Yes.
	And you guys were married?
	No.
	Not married.
	Ever married?
	I've been married.
	I was married to my son's father.
	But I did not, we did not marry.
	The tenure, that was the point of contention.
	Wait, and there's a lot of other things.
	The 10-year relationship is the one with your son's father?
	No.
	That's another relationship.
	It was after.
	So your marriage, how long did that relationship last?
	Three years?
	Okay.
	And so the ten-year one ended a year and a half ago.
	Yes.
	But that's the ten-year one's not the father of your kids.
	Correct.
	Okay.
	Any other, just one child?
	Yes.
	Any other children?
	No.
	Okay.
	How old's the child?
	He's 20.
	Okay.
	He's an adult.
	Sure.
	I'm trying to think of the timeline here.
	So from like 41 to 51 you were married?
	40 to 50?
	Or sorry, not married, in the 10-year relationship.
	The 10-year.
	40, 40 to 50.
	50, yeah, because I just turned 52.
	So, yeah.
	Okay.
	And then the three, at what age did you have your son?
	31.
	31.
	Okay.
	Yes.
	Gotcha.
	And is did your, the father, did he pay you child support?
	No, we had 50-50 custody, and I made more money, so.
	Did you pay him child support?
	No, thank God he didn't ask for that.
	We just clean break.
	And we decided to co-parent.
	Had he earned more than you, would you have seeked child support?
	Probably, yes.
	Of course, because I wasn't making a lot of money at the time.
	But you said you were making more money than him.
	Oh, sorry.
	You're right.
	But you're saying if the role was reversed and he...
	So you said that you were making more money than him, but luckily he didn't seek child support because he would have been awarded it.
	But had you been making less than him, you would have almost certainly seeked child support.
	I would have needed it living in Los Angeles for sure.
	Doesn't he need it?
	Yeah.
	But if you were earning more than him and you would have needed the child support living in Los Angeles.
	Well, I did need the child support.
	But you're asking if he would have made more money at the time would I have asked for child support?
	Yeah.
	And I said probably.
	But so then he would have needed the child support, right?
	But I would, he, he probably, yeah, he did.
	I pay for everything.
	So yeah.
	He would have needed the child support.
	I still pay for everything with him.
	Okay.
	The custody was just split then.
	Yeah.
	It was just.
	He didn't contribute to any expenses or?
	When he was in high school, we split large bills, but for the most part, I covered his medical insurance.
	When he was old enough to have a cell phone, I paid for his flight school.
	He lives with me now, so I pay for everything.
	His groceries.
	Okay.
	And any longer, so there's the 10-year, the three-year, any other, what was the next longest relationship?
	Well, before probably just a couple years, three years, maybe at the time.
	All right.
	And you said you recently went on a – actually, before we dive in, I'll come back to it.
	Okay.
	Let's get everybody's status here.
	Go ahead.
	Currently, I am single right now, and the longest relationship I've ever been in was three and a half years.
	And I guess the I was talking to somebody, and we were dating like not too long ago, but we did break up this past July.
	So I am single now, but.
	So a month ago you broke up?
	Yeah.
	So you've been single for one month?
	Yeah.
	And how long was that relationship?
	It barely lasted a month itself too because we were best friends since high school, but we thought it'd be a good idea to try getting into a relationship, but it didn't end up working that way.
	From what age to what age was the 3.5 year relationship?
	That was when I was in high school from freshman year to senior year.
	I see, okay.
	All right.
	What about the longest relationship you've had since you've been 18?
	That was two and a half years, and that was a circus.
	It was really bad.
	What do you mean, a circus?
	He was, he cheated on me a lot, and he was a lot older, too, so it was hard like being or dating someone that, I don't know, he was just a really bad person in general.
	Like, he was always angry all the time.
	We went to court too because of certain situations, but it was because he cheated on me, and it was like a whole big thing with work and everything that we used to do together.
	But yeah, thankfully I got out of that.
	What was the age gap?
	The age gap.
	I was 18 and he was 26 on 27.
	Okay.
	All right.
	What about you?
	I'm newly divorced as of 2020.
	I was married to my ex-husband for 27 years.
	Or actually 20 years, but we dated for seven years prior to getting married.
	I have three kids with him.
	So that's the longest relationship I've ever been in.
	I'm currently dating someone now.
	Just one, you're dating one person, multiple people?
	Just one person.
	I'm in a relationship.
	How long have you guys been dating?
	About off and on for about a year.
	Off and on for about a year?
	When you say off and on, how many times has it been off and on?
	Two times.
	Who ends it?
	Me.
	Who tries to get it back?
	He does.
	Why do you end it?
	I feel like I have major trust issues from my past traumas and relationships with my, I guess, relationship with my ex-husband kind of did a doozy on me.
	And so I feel like when I'm in a relationship with somebody, that it's hard for me to trust them.
	So I'm really quick to bail out of a relationship rather than sit and fix it.
	Okay.
	So kind of like I want to, I'll end things before you can end things, kind of?
	Not really like a competitive thing like that.
	It's more like I don't want to get hurt to the point where I'm like completely devastated and in the dumps and trying to get out of the darkness per se.
	So I try to cut it out, cut him loose as quick as possible so I don't have to get to that dark place.
	Does that make sense?
	Sure.
	And since the divorce, is this the only guy you've dated?
	No.
	I've dated two other guys.
	Two other guys?
	Okay.
	All right.
	Any short-term, more casual stuff?
	Yeah, in the beginning, of course.
	Casual, you know, but after that, I dated long-term after that.
	But I've only been divorced since 2020, so.
	Got it.
	What about you?
	I've, wait, I forgot it.
	I've been single.
	Or I am single.
	I've been single for a month, and my longest relationship is just like short.
	It's like four months, I think.
	Okay.
	So longest is four months.
	You've been single for one month.
	Is the one that ended the month ago the four-month one?
	No, that one was like three and a half years ago?
	No, three and a half months ago.
	Oh, three and a half months ago.
	And then the guy who you broke up with or things ended a month ago, how long were you guys seeing each other?
	Okay, we were dating for like three and a half months, but we were probably like together for like six.
	Okay.
	I would say that's right.
	And that's the one that ended a month ago?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	And that was four month, six month guy.
	Basically.
	Okay.
	Why did that end?
	Oh my gosh, it's stupid.
	I was at a party and I got in a car with a guy who used to like me and I didn't tell him about it.
	And basically then he blew up.
	He didn't blow up on me.
	I was in the wrong because I lied about it to him and he found out he was like really upset about it and he was like, I can't be with someone who lies.
	I'm like, and he's like, you're going to Santa Barbara?
	Like, are you not going to cheat on me?
	I'm like, because I'm just not going to cheat on any trust.
	But yeah.
	That was that.
	Okay.
	Gotcha.
	And so you're, where are you from again?
	LA.
	Or you said Carp or?
	Oh, Carpenter.
	I grew up like over here.
	I've been living in Calabasas.
	Okay, I see.
	And so, single for one month?
	Any rebounds?
	No, no.
	Nothing.
	I'm stuck on that guy.
	Oh, you're still trying to.
	No, not really.
	I'm just like, I don't know.
	Like, people who have been like trying to talk to me, I don't think they're like attractive or I wouldn't want to be around them.
	I don't really pursue it.
	You don't think they're attractive?
	No.
	How did you guys, how did you meet the last guy?
	Dating app, in person?
	My friend set us up.
	And so we were talking over Instagram for a while and then we met.
	And then it turned out like some kid that I had grown up with had like been like best friends with him.
	So we were always like in the same circles, but we had never just met, if that makes sense.
	Okay.
	And how did you take the news when he was essentially ending things with you?
	I don't know.
	I was just like, oh my gosh.
	Like looking back at it, I'm kind of embarrassed because I was dramatic about it.
	But when House out, oh my god, I was just like, he was like looking at me like straight face and I was like bawling my eyes out.
	Like, that's just embarrassing to me.
	I don't know why.
	But in the moment, I was just like upset and I was like, no, like, you're kind of being dramatic about this.
	Like, this is fixable.
	But, yeah.
	Hmm.
	He broke up with you in person?
	Yeah.
	It was like a three-day process.
	What do you mean, a three-day process?
	He was like, let's go on a break.
	And then the next day, he went out with the girl and I was like, dude, like, technically, we haven't broken up yet.
	Yeah, that's over.
	And he was like, well, it's not the same because you lied about being with the guy in the car and I'm just getting lunch and going dancing with her.
	I'm like, buddy, like, that's a date.
	And then the next, we didn't talk the next day.
	And then the next day, I wanted to talk to him because I don't know.
	But then he was like, yeah, like, I want to break up.
	I'm like, okay.
	That makes sense.
	Ever been on the dating app?
	No.
	No?
	Okay.
	Do you like go out and party and anything like that?
	Yeah, like, I don't know.
	In LA, I would only party once or twice a month.
	But obviously, I expect that to be different over here.
	Mm-hmm.
	Okay.
	Do you think you'll be, I mean, Santa Barbara, pretty big college area.
	Do you think you'll be going out like Thursday, Friday, Saturday, partying and stuff?
	We'll see.
	Like, because I need to get a job.
	But I'd like to go out on Fridays and Saturdays.
	What about you?
	I'm single, but I'm talking to someone.
	All right.
	How long that have you been talking to them?
	For like a month.
	Hail and well met.
	Lol Paladins donated $200,000 to appreciate it.
	Oh my gosh.
	Okay.
	Come on, you need to admit it.
	You did more than just get in a car with that other guy.
	Otherwise, you wouldn't have lied about it.
	I like, okay, I know that's like bad looks, but like on everything, I'm like, I can't even like, I don't know if he's going to think that.
	I don't know.
	Okay, so basically, he used to be my best friend, but then like, as soon as he liked me, we like literally cut it off because I didn't like him.
	And I was like, I'm not going to say anything, but my friends had like taken my keys and I was like, guys, can I just sit on the car?
	And they're like, no, you're in need to eat.
	So we went to In N Out.
	Like, it was literally nothing.
	Like, there were so many other people in the car with us.
	I swear.
	Like, I don't know.
	I'm just defending myself online.
	Like, I know I didn't.
	So nothing happened?
	Like, nothing happened.
	Like.
	Had you guys hooked up previously?
	No, no.
	Not at all.
	Okay.
	He's like shorter than me.
	Like, he's like my friend.
	Like, and he was so far in the friend zone and he knew it.
	Because he was shorter than you?
	No, because I just didn't like him.
	Like, he would do stuff and I would like call him out on it.
	Like, I didn't like, I didn't like him at all.
	And that's when he started to like me.
	That's when I like cut it off.
	That makes sense.
	Had there been boundaries drawn by the guy that you were dating about this guy?
	No, but he knew who he was.
	Okay.
	Like, no.
	So you've been seeing a guy for, were you in this?
	You were on the podcast like about a month ago or so?
	Yeah, remember I told you I was talking to him for a week?
	Same guy?
	Same guy.
	Okay.
	So like situationship or relation?
	Well like he said he's gonna ask me but like I don't know when.
	But we've only been knowing.
	The only thing that sucks is like he has to move back home in January so I don't know what I'm gonna do.
	Okay.
	Longest relationship?
	Two and a half years.
	Two years.
	Okay and that's the guy who you bought him a PS5.
	No no no the one that I bought PS5 that one was like six months.
	They never dated actually.
	Mm-hmm.
	Okay.
	How did you meet this guy?
	This one?
	Yeah.
	Oh, at a party.
	Well like because I like I throw parties with my friends and I met him there.
	So he came up to me.
	And he's going back somewhere in January, you said?
	He's going back to Washington for school.
	In January?
	In January.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Morgan?
	I'm single.
	Longest relationship, two and a half years.
	Oh, sorry, I didn't mean to press that.
	My bad.
	Just kidding.
	All right, Matty, what about you?
	I've been in a relationship for two years, almost two years.
	Okay, all right.
	So that's everybody's relationship status.
	I need to get back to who's this guy?
	That guy, he said, what do you think about dismantling whiteness?
	What the fuck?
	Totally dating related, but okay.
	Going around the table, if you have any thoughts on that, I don't know if any of you will, but I don't know what that means.
	Yeah, I don't know what that means.
	What?
	This isn't even the question I would want to ask, but he asked it, so I'm just going to oblige him.
	Anybody?
	No.
	Sorry, bro.
	If you ask a question and the girls don't know, don't have a position on it.
	There's nothing I can.
	Anything?
	Any takers?
	Is he talking about white privilege?
	Dismantling white.
	That's his.
	I don't know.
	I'm assuming.
	I don't know.
	It's like big words.
	It's going to be a hard pass.
	I was about to say.
	Any takers?
	Going once.
	Yeah, I don't know.
	I grew up in a white area, so I feel like sometimes people think I'm whitewashed.
	I can't really talk on that.
	He said, what does dismantling whiteness mean to you?
	Is he asking us because he doesn't know either?
	There it is.
	I mean, you got to define it in the, I don't know, I can't really help here.
	Okay, here, I'll do a late, I'll help this guy out a little bit.
	Do you guys think white privilege exists?
	Yes, yes.
	Here, going around the table.
	Yeah, it does.
	Oh, gosh.
	In corporate America, I've seen it.
	Yes.
	Occasionally, yes.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	I think it can.
	Okay.
	We'll just leave it there.
	Thank you, Ben, for that.
	Maybe we'll touch on it later.
	But so, okay, let's get into the pre-show notes here.
	Got some pre-show notes for everybody.
	So, Lori.
	Ex-stripper, scammer, currently stay-at-home girlfriend, was a sex worker, stripper.
	You said was a sex worker.
	Were you, besides the stripping, did you do anything else?
	No, stripping is sex work.
	I feel like even if you work at a Hooters, that's sex work.
	You're selling a fantasy thing.
	Like OnlyFans?
	Yep.
	Nothing like that.
	Traditional porn?
	No.
	Escorting?
	No.
	Street walking?
	No.
	Prostitution?
	Nope.
	Dominatrix?
	No.
	Sending feet pics?
	No.
	Okay, all right.
	Just, you know.
	You said sex worker, so.
	Well, yeah, a stripper is a sex worker.
	If you're selling the fantasy of sex, you're a sex worker.
	Even girls that work at Hooters are sex workers, even though they don't want to admit that.
	Okay, so going to Asia here, Asia, you said that, I think, is this in your bio?
	Comedy and inspiration for ageless singles.
	That's the bio.
	Our bio.
	What does that mean?
	What is ageless?
	What is ageless singles?
	What's the sound?
	Age is just a number in my mind because I mentally feel younger than I am.
	So we are ageless.
	You're only as old as you feel.
	Well, are you?
	I feel young.
	I feel as young as these girls sitting at the table.
	I'm still a little confused.
	I don't know if I'm just a little slow or something.
	I'm just confused.
	Ageless?
	Yeah.
	So aging, kind of aging backwards, aging reverse.
	Not aging.
	So age is just a number?
	Not aging, because, yeah.
	But age is just a number.
	So you don't object to like age gap relationships if like a 50-year-old's dating a 25-year-old?
	No, that's what I'm saying.
	I think roles are reverse.
	Like men my age, I find very jaded.
	Sure.
	And they are feeling, a lot of them feel very taken advantage of by their wives.
	So they like to date younger girls because they're more carefree.
	Sure.
	Okay.
	You said that you went on, it was you got out of your 10-year relationship.
	You had to learn how to date again.
	Yes.
	You told yourself you would go on at least 21 dates to learn what you wanted.
	Yes.
	And you said you went on 45 dates last year.
	Yes.
	Got burnt out.
	Not interested in dating right now.
	So there's no guys in the picture right now.
	No.
	Zero.
	Zero.
	When's the last time you were on the date?
	March?
	February?
	February?
	Yeah.
	No guys?
	No guys in the picture.
	No.
	I get hit up on my Instagram all the time.
	I get hit on, but they live in other countries or on the East Coast.
	They're not, it's not a sling type thing, casual, nothing.
	No.
	Okay.
	But so 45 dates.
	So you did 21?
	Yes.
	I told myself.
	45.
	I told myself 21.
	And I just kept going to 45.
	Oh, okay.
	And what was the period of time?
	A year.
	One year.
	Last year.
	So like about one date a week.
	Yeah, so I ended it, moved out of my tenure March of last year.
	And wow, it was exactly one year.
	And the last date I went on was March of this year.
	So yeah, it was exactly one year.
	And how many dates, like the most dates you went on in one week?
	Probably five.
	Oh, five in one week?
	Okay.
	There was a lot.
	There was, yeah.
	No, that's fine.
	Just dates.
	So it wasn't like spread out, really.
	They would be concentrated.
	I was kind of on a mission to get through the 21 because I really wanted to understand myself.
	Yeah, how long did the 21 take?
	Five months.
	Oh, five months.
	But the most compacted week was five in a week.
	Sure, yeah.
	Okay.
	Any two dates in one day?
	Anything like that?
	No.
	Three dates in one day?
	No.
	Okay.
	All right.
	And how did that go?
	The 21 dates, 45 dates.
	I went on 21.
	I still didn't find my person.
	So I continued to go on more dates.
	And number 40 was, you know, after a month, he's like, hey, I don't want to.
	I'm all in.
	We deleted the dating apps and we were together like three and a half months.
	But it didn't work.
	And then you had a few more dates after that.
	And then that was number 40.
	Yeah.
	You went on 45.
	Well, I was dating while we were still in the courting stage in that month.
	Oh, okay.
	So I went on five more dates from the time I met you.
	But then he was like, let's be committed for a bit, whatever.
	Yeah.
	And then that was the last guy that you dated.
	That was the last guy, yeah.
	How long ago was that?
	When did that end?
	March.
	March.
	Okay, so five, five months ago, about?
	Yes.
	And so none of the other guys, though, none of them caught your eye?
	There were three men in the year that I had spent about three months.
	I feel like that's kind of the expiration date.
	There's three different men that I found is like after three months, that's when people really start to become themselves and they start to really figure out if they can be with each other.
	And that's usually when it falls apart.
	It's kind of the make it or break it.
	So how many of the 45 dates were only one date?
	Most of them were only one.
	It's like 40 of them?
	Probably.
	Because you said there were like three that were like longer.
	Three months, right.
	But the last one was the only one that I was in.
	Like we were committed to just each other for that three and a half months.
	Who broke up with who?
	I broke up with him.
	He was being very inconsistent.
	And then I found out he was hiding that he had a third child.
	So that betrayal and that trust was broken.
	So I couldn't no longer be with him.
	I see.
	So after that, I decided to just give it a break.
	And so what was wrong with like all the 40 other guys?
	You're just not compatible.
	It's just not your person.
	There were a lot of guys that I don't know.
	They just you're just not compatible.
	It just doesn't work out.
	Okay.
	I think a lot of guys too, especially on the dating apps, that I found when I was on them is both men and women both.
	They don't have the best intentions.
	Sometimes they are in relationships.
	And I did find out one of the guys that I went on one date with had a couple girlfriends at the time.
	So that's why he disappeared.
	And so I guess what were you looking for at the time in terms of what you're looking for in the guy?
	Were there certain criteria, looks-wise, personality?
	I really wanted to find my person because I felt like I spent the last 10 years wasted.
	I'm going to use air quotes as that because he wasn't my person.
	And so I was kind of on the fast track of trying to find my person.
	And now in hindsight, realizing like, don't force something that it's not going to work.
	Sure.
	Yeah.
	But I had a lot of fun.
	I went out, went on some fun dates and met some really cool, interesting people.
	There's probably about three guys that I still talk to that I consider my friends.
	There's no romance, but you know, we had like a great connection.
	So we just got to go.
	Did you guys hook up?
	We did.
	Oh, one.
	Wait, one guy I did.
	Two guys we only went on one date with.
	Oh, okay.
	But you still like talk to them away.
	Yeah, yeah.
	They're cool.
	We're cool with each other.
	So you did the, it was the, or it looks like 21 dates in three months, right?
	The 21 dates was in a three-month time.
	Well, it was five months.
	It was about five months.
	And you're pretty sure notes, it just says 21 dates in three months.
	Oh, did I?
	Oh, I think so.
	All right.
	Maybe I didn't have my class.
	But then there's a 45.
	Yeah, anyways.
	Yeah.
	You said, I don't know if this was in one of your videos on your Instagram.
	You said, I don't know if this is in your notes.
	You said closer to what I want and what I deserve.
	Maybe this is like in one of your videos that was on your Instagram.
	When you say what I deserve, what do you deserve?
	I want to be with somebody with old school values, somebody whose actions align with their words, and also somebody that I can count on.
	What are old values?
	Traditional values.
	So from learning that I just wore the pants in the family this whole time and took care of my son.
	I'm now looking for a man that has traditional values that wants to be a provider and a protector for me.
	And so I can relax a little bit and not feel like there's the world is always on my shoulders.
	You just want to be more in your feminine.
	I do.
	Yeah.
	I'm definitely in my alpha.
	I want to be more in my feminine and I'm always going to work.
	I'm too ambitious to not work.
	So I don't want to be a lady that lunches.
	I just want...
	don't understand what are uh traditional values though that you're you're i understand that you want a man to provide for you but what are traditional values Traditional.
	For me, a traditional value is a man that wants to protect and provide for his woman.
	That's it?
	And whose actions align with their words?
	Yeah, I'm not sure how that's a traditional value, though.
	I would say being a leader in the room.
	Hang on, hang on.
	Let me just protect you.
	It's provider protector.
	Yeah, provider protector.
	That's it.
	That's a traditional value?
	Yes, that's what I consider a traditional value because I've not had that.
	And what is it that you bring for him?
	I bring a lot.
	I bring a lot of ambition.
	I bring a lot of fun.
	I'm a good cook.
	I'm traditional as well.
	Is a traditional man who's willing to provide for you, does he care about your ambition?
	Yes, yes.
	He supports he supports my life and my goals as well.
	Yeah, but I mean, if you want a traditional valued man and you want him to provide for you, then the focus for both of you should be on his career and the advancement of him so that he can then do that in turn for you, right?
	Yes, but I am also at the age where I'm about, I want to retire, so I'm looking for a man that whose kids are also grown, that we're on the same level.
	So we have the same goals in life.
	Well, okay, what are those goals?
	To retire in Europe.
	To retire in Europe.
	Okay, so you retire in Europe.
	But again, I'm guessing that, I mean, you're only in your 50s, right?
	Okay, so you're a long way from retirement.
	I don't think so.
	I mean, you're at least 10.
	I mean, what did you say, 53?
	Two.
	52.
	So you're at least 10 years away from retirement?
	Not in my mind.
	Okay, gotcha.
	I'm not willing to compromise my standards.
	So that's why I took a break from dating because I'm working on myself right now.
	And I know that once I'm whole within myself, then I will attract the right man.
	And we will be on the same page.
	And I don't know what that means, though.
	What does that mean, whole within yourself?
	Well, I'm working on my mental health.
	I've had a lot of trauma as growing up.
	I don't have family.
	I don't have a backup plan.
	I don't have like parents that are going to give me an inheritance.
	I'm all I have.
	And I take care of my grown son.
	And it's because I worked hard and I made good choices in my life career-wise.
	And now I'm at a place in my life where I'm taking a step back.
	I'm not stressing myself out day to day.
	Well, it sounds like you come with a lot of baggage.
	Yeah, that's why I'm working on myself.
	Yeah, so we all have baggage.
	You come by, yes, that's true, but I mean, you would have to agree that some people have a lot more than others, though, right?
	Sure.
	Yeah, so I mean, if you come with a lot of baggage and you want a man to provide for you, what is his incentive to do so?
	That you're really fun?
	Because I'm working on myself and I'm trying to heal the baggage.
	Yeah, but I think that's important.
	I mean, if a man who is successful enough to go and retire in Europe with you has a choice between you and other women who have less baggage, these other women, let's say, and they're not working on themselves, why wouldn't he just pick them?
	I think what she's trying to say is she's trying to work.
	She can speak for herself, I promise.
	A place of finding herself.
	I promise she can speak for herself.
	Let her finish.
	Go ahead.
	Absolutely, because a man would have free will in me, but that's not my man.
	That's not going to be my person.
	So maybe my person is somebody that has the same sort of background as me that also worked on himself and is looking for the same things.
	And I'm willing to do that.
	You have to admit that that's going to be rare, right?
	To find a man who's going to retire you in Europe and deal with all your baggage if he has tons of other options which are available to him if you're just kind of working on yourself.
	But I have the money to retire in Europe myself, so I don't need him to do that as well.
	Why are you looking for him?
	Because I want to find my person because I believe in love.
	Yeah, right.
	So then you still have to have a competitive edge, right?
	What are you hearing that I don't have that's not competitive with other women?
	Well, you said that you still take care of a fully grown adult male, right?
	Yeah, well, he's going through college now, and so he can stay with me until he's finished with you.
	And you want this other male to take care of you, which I'm guessing means that he's going to primarily be using his resources on you and not your resources on him, right?
	We can use my resources as well.
	I have resources.
	Yeah, I know, but he's going to bring a lot more of them.
	That's what you're after, right?
	I have perks too.
	I have perks with my life.
	I'm not saying you don't have perks.
	I'm just asking for what the competitive edge that you would be bringing to the table at 53 would be for a man who would bring the resources necessary to take care of you for the rest of your life in Europe.
	That's all I'm asking.
	I don't think that's going to be hard to find.
	I think that it might take me longer, but I hear what you're saying.
	And I'm not going to let you tell me otherwise, that I'm not going to find my person.
	I haven't told you anything.
	I've just asked you some basic questions.
	Right.
	You're saying, oh, you're 53.
	What are you bringing to the table?
	Well, I bring a lot to the table.
	Okay, what?
	I bring a lot.
	I bring a great sense of humor.
	I'm sharp.
	I'm funny.
	I'm smart.
	I'm embarrassed.
	Well, make me laugh.
	I'm pretty.
	Hang on, hang on.
	Make me laugh.
	That is so dumb.
	It's like going to a stand-up comedian and being like, tell me a joke.
	I agree.
	It's a cheap shot.
	It's a cheap shot, but it's just funny to say, right?
	Whenever a woman says they're funny.
	It's in the moment.
	It's just always been my experience that they're not funny.
	Even if you were, even if you were in the category, hang on, even if you were in the category of being a very, very funny woman, right?
	All women think that they're funny, right?
	All women think that they're funny.
	So the question is, is like, okay, I get it.
	You bring a good sense of humor to the relationship.
	Obviously, other women will be bringing a good sense of humor to the relationship as well.
	I'm asking what you specifically are going to be bringing that other women in your age bracket aren't going to be bringing.
	I just said, I just said it.
	Did I not just say it?
	Wait, well, you said you're funny.
	I'm smart.
	I'm ambitious.
	I am funny.
	I am successful.
	I.
	Okay.
	Yeah, but men don't care about success.
	They don't care about success.
	They don't care about how successful a woman is.
	They care about how pretty she is.
	I'm pretty.
	I'm pretty.
	Have you looked at me?
	I'm very pretty, and I'm smart, and I'm very sweet.
	Okay.
	All right.
	I have a couple things on this, but we do have somebody joining us on the panel here.
	You can come ahead and take a seat.
	Morgan had to exit.
	Morgan had to exit, so we have She doesn't speak English, though So unfortunately, we're not going to be able to ask her any questions, but she can just kind of give facial reactions.
	And so, buenos dias?
	Buenos dias.
	Any Spanish speakers at the table?
	Yeah, so just maybe, like, if...
	It's okay.
	It's all right.
	Anyways, and if you can just scoot into the, how do you say scoot into the table in Spanish?
	Eme de la mesa.
	Okay.
	Ah, see.
	See.
	Okay, so anyways, yeah, guys, Morgan was feeling a little unwell, so she had to go.
	But she'll be back Tuesday, most likely.
	Anyways, I do want to, really quick, just to piggyback on what Andrew was talking about.
	You said you're successful, funny.
	Really quick on the funny one, though.
	No offense, ladies.
	I don't think guys care.
	They do.
	They want you to be clever.
	They want you to be able to hold a conversation.
	Really?
	And are guys lying when they say, oh, I love you.
	You're so witty and funny.
	They're lying?
	Yeah, probably.
	So then you're leading a girl on and telling her what she wants to hear.
	Oh, yeah, guys.
	Exactly.
	Hang on, hang on.
	So you're saying that if a woman doesn't look good, maybe she looks fat in a certain dress, that you're just being mean by telling her, oh, no, honey, you look good in that dress.
	Is that what you're saying?
	Or is there times where it's appropriate in a relationship to avoid kind of fights which are unnecessary to just kind of.
	Ah, you know, sure, you're witty.
	Yeah, yeah, of course.
	I love having conversations.
	I love the long walks on the beach and the mojitos at night.
	It's my favorite, right?
	But yeah, I don't think guys really care about the whole funny thing.
	All right.
	All right.
	Well, I didn't know that.
	I don't really care.
	Well, you're speaking for yourself.
	I feel like I'm speaking for 90% of the time.
	And for him.
	Maybe there's like three dudes that like really like funny women.
	I don't know.
	Yeah.
	Like there's three dudes in existence that want to fuck Amy Schumer.
	Don't know.
	But I will say this.
	I don't think there's ever been a woman who's like, well, I didn't want to have sex with her.
	But after hearing that remarkable joke, now all of a sudden.
	That's where that sealed the deal.
	Sealed the deal.
	Oh, by the way, Andrew, I sent you a text message.
	I sent you a text message, Andrew.
	And then the success thing, though.
	Wait, didn't you say you wanted like, I forgot what it, I don't know if you said traditional or what?
	Yeah, traditional.
	What I'm saying is I just don't want to have everything always relying on me all the time.
	I'm looking for a partner.
	Like, I'm not looking to like just not work.
	So you said you went on 45 first dates, right?
	All different guys?
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	Yes, that's what I'm counting.
	Of all the 45 first dates, would you say most of them would be like either a drink or dinner?
	Yes.
	And of the 45 dates that you went on, who paid for the dates?
	They did.
	In every single, like 100% of them?
	Oh, yeah.
	Any split?
	No.
	No one asked me.
	45.
	Nobody asked me to split.
	Just to be clear, 45 first dates.
	Yeah.
	And in each instance, the guy always paid.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	And then you said there were three guys who you dated a little longer than just, you know, most of these guys, one date, that was it.
	Would they continue to pay for dates?
	Yes.
	Did you ever pay for a date?
	I'm good at like...
	With the three, I'm talking.
	Never a date.
	I've never paid for a date, but I've offered to pay for dessert or drinks.
	What would you say was like kind of the most when these guys would take you out to dinner, for example, whether it was the first date or one of these guys you dated for three months, did any of them take you to somewhere a little pricier when it came to dinner?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	What do you think is the most a guy spent on you on a first date?
	He told me $3,000.
	On the first day?
	On dinner.
	He told me it was $3,000, but when I added it in my head, it was probably $1,500.
	But it was a very...
	Only $1,500?
	That's a lot.
	No, it's a lot.
	And he's the one that's still my friend to this day.
	Is it Nobu?
	Is that the place?
	It wasn't.
	No, it was an Asian Fusion restaurant in downtown LA.
	$1,500 first.
	And was this a guy that you saw again or no?
	Yeah, this was actually my true situationship.
	The last one?
	No.
	This was the one before him.
	I was in a situationship with this guy where he treated me like his girlfriend.
	He was living his life in reverse.
	He didn't want anything serious.
	He had three kids before the age of 30.
	But first, sorry, go ahead.
	Go ahead.
	Go ahead.
	Yeah, so we were in a situationship for about three or four months.
	And then you said the first date, though, he spent $1,500.
	No, no, no.
	Oh, one of the dates.
	He spent $1,500.
	One of the dates.
	How much did he, what's the most that the guy spent on the first date?
	I would say $1,500.
	Oh, $1,500.
	I would say that would probably be the most someone's ever spent on.
	One specific guy, would he continue to take you on kind of fancier dates?
	Always.
	We always went on fancy dates.
	And he's actually my friend still.
	He's the one guy, the guy that I slept with that's still my friend.
	Because he did not want to be in a relationship.
	Yes, sir.
	It's nothing.
	Not me.
	Okay.
	So, no, he didn't want to be in a relationship.
	But we had a really great friendship.
	Like, he's a great guy.
	And so we're still friends to this day.
	So how often did you see him?
	Like, how many dates do you think you went on with him?
	We saw each other once a week.
	For three months?
	So maybe about 10 times.
	10, 10, 12.
	10 to 20, maybe?
	Sure.
	Okay.
	And he would always take you out to a fancy, nice dinner?
	Not always.
	I mean, sometimes we had tacos from the taco truck, but.
	But then other times he'd spend $3,000 on a dinner.
	said it was 3,000 but sure he was okay And then any of the other guys, the other three guys, would they ever fancy dinners?
	Big?
	Yes.
	But not one of these dinners you ever paid, correct?
	No.
	You mentioned that you bring your success to a relationship.
	You went on 45 first dates.
	Not one of them did you pay for.
	And of the three men that you did have continuing, you know, more than just the first date.
	So I fail to see how your success translation, your finances, your money, has anything to do with your attractiveness to a partner when you're not bringing that to a relationship by your own admission.
	I think a lot of guys today in the state of California want a woman that wants, that brings, does something in their life.
	I'm saying I have my own job.
	have a job well but and this is i'll just be blunt This is why men don't actually care about your success or your finances because we don't reap any benefits of your success.
	So when women say, well, I have these academic credentials and I have this high-paying job and I'm successful.
	I don't have debt.
	I have all this money.
	Even in your case, you went on 45 dates.
	Not one did you pay for.
	They paid for the whole meal.
	These men would spend thousands of dollars.
	Some of them would spend thousands of dollars.
	I'm failing to see how your success or your money would be enticing to any of them, given that they didn't reap any benefit.
	That was only one date, but when you don't know, I mean, you know after a couple of dates if you have chemistry with somebody or if you have if you have compatibility.
	Well, but I don't, I don't understand, I don't see where you're going with because I'm saying I have a job and that I bring that to the table that I work.
	Okay, go ahead.
	I feel, and I don't want you to take any offense to this, I feel like your generation was very much taken into a woman has to have a job, has to be successful, because it was like kind of after the whole feminism thing.
	And you guys were like super brainwashed into like being equal partners with the man and how you say you want like a man with traditional values.
	No, So she's 52, right?
	Yeah.
	While that's been like slowly becoming the case, this is more so the case as time goes on.
	It's not like, well, it was the case back then.
	No, it's still now.
	I'm not saying it's not, but I'm saying like everyone comes.
	Come with this 50-50 thing, it's not, it wasn't like boom in the 90s and then down in the 2000s.
	No, it's still now.
	It's still current.
	No, but it's been climbing, climbing, climbing 50-50.
	But you're saying it was more so the case in her generation.
	No, I'm saying.
	Which just can't be true.
	Okay, like most of, at least the people I know, like women from their 30s to around her age and their 50s, are very much like, they want to be more successful than putting the focus on like being, like you said, being with someone and helping them with their career and focusing on like building a family and having children and taking care of their children.
	They're more focused on like, I need to be successful so I find the right partner that matches me.
	Well, I also grew up with a female as the role model.
	She was the breadwinner.
	My father lost his job and so my stepmother took over.
	So I actually grew up seeing a woman working.
	So I think that's a lot of where my ambition came from or where I've and but again, so there were three men that you dated for about three months.
	At no point in the relationship did your success or finances or money ever get into the picture.
	So how could your success be what you're bringing to the table if none of the 45 men that you went on the first date with and none of the three men that you had a three-month relationship with reaped any benefits of your success?
	How can that be something that you're bringing to the table?
	Well, those were men that I wasn't compatible with, but my 10-year relationship, we split everything 50-50.
	We purchased a home together.
	We did every, you know, so it was a.
	That's your past, right?
	What I'm saying is, but wait, hang on, hang on.
	You got to back up.
	So he reaped the rewards of my success.
	I understand.
	But I don't see where the 45 dates has anything to do with that.
	In a previous relationship.
	You're seeing someone for the first time.
	Sure, in a previous relationship, you said you split everything 50-50.
	But right now, you said you're looking for a man with traditional values.
	When I asked you what those are, you said he provides for me.
	And protects.
	So creatives.
	Yeah.
	Well, provides and protects, sure.
	But if that's what your criteria is, then Brian's saying, okay, if that's true, then all of these dates that you went on recently, why would your success be something you're bringing to the table if they're paying for everything?
	They clearly don't give a shit about that, right?
	I think, I don't know.
	I have no idea.
	I didn't ask them if my success mattered to them.
	I mean, you guys talked about all sorts of different things.
	You must have talked about work and this type of thing.
	Some of them were first dates.
	Yeah, you don't go that deep.
	You just go deep enough to know that, okay, this is my person, or we're compatible.
	There's chemistry.
	But so conceivably, even on the first date, you would say, well, I did have one guy say that to me.
	He's like, I like that you work because if something were to happen, you're fine on your own.
	Was it only a first date?
	It wasn't one first date.
	Out of all the 45, that's the only time I can remember.
	Why don't you offer to do you offer to split?
	Well, after a while, not for the first date, but like if we're dating.
	But I thought we were.
	I have paid for our things.
	I have paid for things.
	Well, not of any, not from any of the recently, right?
	Like I paid for takeout once when they came over, something like that.
	How much do you spend?
	20 bucks on In-N-Out?
	It's expensive.
	No, like takeout, like, like postmates is expensive.
	Okay, $30, $40, $50.
	$50, $60, something like that.
	You ever take any guy out on a $1,000 plus?
	No.
	Because I have a kid that I'm supporting.
	What about that guy?
	Didn't he have three kids?
	Who?
	Oh, the one?
	The guy that spent $1,500 on a dinner.
	Yeah, they're adult kids.
	Don't you have an adult kid?
	Yeah, but they're out of the house.
	They're out of the house.
	I have one who's still in the house that I'm supporting.
	Adult kids?
	He has three adult kids that are out of he has there's no overhead on those kids anymore.
	But so if what you bring to the table is your success.
	That's one of the things.
	I didn't say that it was everything.
	Why don't you offer to split?
	Because I have an adult son that I'm taking care of by myself.
	Well, I'm not speaking about that $1,000 plus.
	Like if you go get tacos.
	I have.
	I've gotten dessert.
	I've gotten tacos.
	I've paid for valet.
	Okay.
	But I'm just confused if that's what you're bringing to the table.
	It doesn't seem like it's manifesting itself in any of the 45 dates that you went on.
	I don't care about those 45 dates because they weren't my person.
	But you know what?
	I want to say that I've been on dates too with men where I've offered to pay for some of the tab and they refuse.
	They get offended when you say, oh, here, let me help.
	Here's my card.
	What are you doing?
	You know, they get so butt hurt.
	And I feel like it emasculates the man if you offer to pay for half the bill as if they can't afford it.
	So it's almost like an insult or a slap in the face to them.
	Sure, absolutely.
	I'm sure there's men out there that feel like it would be demasculating or whatever it is.
	But again, if you're saying that what you're bringing to the table is your success.
	But I guess I'm trying to explain why men don't really care about this metric.
	Okay, I didn't know that.
	Well, do you think men get intimidated by women that have strong careers?
	Yes.
	No, we just don't want to deal with your bullshit.
	Well, what kind of bullshit happens when a woman is successful?
	Well, I'll explain.
	I'll explain.
	So, well, at least from the purview of the traditionalist male, I think.
	So it seems to me that a traditional man wants his wife to be devoted to him.
	And so they want the family hierarchy to work like this.
	The man is at the head of the hierarchy.
	And then there is the woman, the mother, and then under that is the children.
	That is the way they want the placement of that hierarchy.
	So if the woman is devoted to the career and not to the husband, then it creates some type of problem within the set of the hierarchy.
	And so they tend to prefer that women stay home and take care of children, and they take care of those issues.
	They take care of the financial issues.
	And so when you're talking about male betterment or, you know, men trying to work on themselves and trying to, you know, what is the adage, six foot, six figures, you know, et cetera, et cetera.
	The idea here is that you can take care of a family.
	You don't want to have to compete with your wife's career or, you know, whatever your significant other's kind of externalities are to you.
	You want her to be devoted to you.
	And then the exchange for that is that you take care of everything on behalf of them.
	So I wouldn't say it's intimidation.
	It's just why would you want competition?
	No, I totally get that.
	But in a way, I think it is generational too.
	Like men our age, they want to be providers.
	They want their wives to stay at home.
	Now, when I talk to my 23-year-old daughter about her dating life, the guys that she dates or has she's talked to in the past, they want a woman that's going to bring 50% to the table.
	They want a working woman because things are so expensive now.
	They want to be a power couple with a woman.
	And I think it's just more like a generational thing.
	But wouldn't, I mean, wouldn't it be?
	I know.
	Well, here's the thing.
	I think, again, I think you're right in a sense.
	And then in another sense, maybe a little wrong here.
	If you say traditional, then yes, that's always going to be a generational thing because we're appealing to previous generations for what the tradition is, right?
	We're not making the generation this tradition.
	Or, you know, the tradition's not made this generation.
	It's made in previous ones.
	So the question then becomes this.
	If you're looking for a man who has traditional values, when I ask, what are you bringing to the table?
	I'd be looking for you to bring similar traditional female values to the table.
	But what I see instead is that women seem to want to move into, I want a man to follow the traditional values of X, but I still want to be more in the set of the modern woman.
	And I don't understand how those two things get reconciled exactly.
	If you want a traditional man to provide for you and take care of everything for you, what are you bringing to the table?
	That question is talking in terms of tradition.
	I would say housewife, like laundry, cook, clean, tend to the kids, make sure he is taking care of 100% in the bedroom and outside the bedroom.
	Yeah, but I mean, you guys are way past, I mean, I'm sorry, I don't mean this rudely, but you're past childbearing age.
	Right.
	Of course.
	Yeah, so if that's the case, what are the traditional values you're bringing?
	You're not going to be looking after his kids at this point.
	So what is it specifically that is a traditional value to be bringing to the table?
	I think they want a man, wants a woman to same same kind of traditional, they want a partner, they want someone that they come home to, that they can trust, that they can count on.
	I would think they want submission, right?
	Well, someone needs to be a leader and someone needs to be the submissive one right, yeah.
	But what does submission mean?
	Well, someone who is going to care for the leader in the household, whereby she is going to do things that he's not able to do half of the time because he has a career, he's at work, so tend to him like, do his laundry, make sure he has breakfast, lunch and dinner made and prepared.
	Well, those are, those are daily duties.
	So what does submission mean, though?
	What does that mean?
	For one thing, I know people kind of mistaken like submission to be like weak, the weaker half, but I would have to disagree with that.
	I would say submission means somebody who is going to take the back seat or someone who's going to sit in the passenger seat and let the man take the driver's seat and make the decisions in the household and make sure you know the budget is intact and you guys are living within your means.
	It means obedience correct, it means obedience, it means to obey.
	Can you actually take a submissive role?
	Can you actually obey, even if you disagree, even if he's in the wrong, even if you believe he's completely incorrect?
	Can you take that role?
	I don't think that means that you have to be a carpet right.
	You still have a voice as a submissive partner.
	It doesn't mean that you're going to be the weak one and accept all his wrongdoings.
	It I mean you can agree to disagree.
	You can agree to disagree.
	Hang on, hang on you, can you?
	Most examples inside of a relationship where there is a submission, a submissive partner and one who heads a household are not moral quandaries.
	They're general quandaries.
	So i'm not saying that you have to uh, cede to immoral behavior, like he says, I want to open the relationship or something like this.
	But obeyance is, if we're going to spend all of the money on this, we're spending all of the money on this.
	Obeying means, if the kids need to go to x school, I want them to go to that school, even if you don't agree, even if it's 30 minutes out of your way and you think it's stupid.
	That's what obeying means.
	It's not always so you're.
	You kind of conflate this with a moral quandary there.
	Most of these issues are not moral quandaries right, you could still compromise, there's still room for compromise.
	Then that's not obey, that's not obedience.
	Compromise is not obedience compromise, the opposite of obedience.
	So you're telling me that being the submissive half of the relationship is somebody that is just going to bow down 100 of the time?
	Yeah, unless there's a moral quandary.
	Can you tell me why there's a problem with that?
	Well, for example, you use that taking the child to a 30 minute away, a 30 minute away from home school right, and then the mom has to be the one to travel, to commute, to do all that.
	But what if there's a school that's like five minutes away?
	That's just as good, isn't there room?
	What does what does obedience mean?
	Does obedience mean that, even though you've had the discussion, he has the final word on it?
	He says, do it anyway, even if you don't like it.
	I'm making this decision even though, even though you disagree, you don't, you don't particularly enjoy this, you think even i'm being stupid, or you think that i'm being out of pocket here.
	What does obedience mean?
	What does that mean?
	I would say, as long as it's moral.
	You can't put conditionals.
	You can't put, well, you can put the conditional only if moral.
	Yeah.
	But as long as it's moral, what other conditionals can be practiced?
	And that's why you have to be very careful on who you choose as a partner, correct?
	I think part of having a partner, though, is like your husband should also submit to you.
	And I'm not saying that.
	That's not traditional.
	We're talking specifically about traditional.
	Also, if we're talking, okay, there could be traditional non-Christian, but there's also traditional Christian.
	And if you know the Bible, right?
	Jesus submitted to the church.
	Does it not say, wives submit to your husband as the church has submitted to God, and husbands submit to your wives as Christianity?
	Okay, so you're quoting Matthew.
	Yes.
	So in Matthew, when I'm sorry, quoting Paul, not Matthew, my bad.
	It's, I think, in a so when you're talking about, when you're talking about Paul, okay, when this is said, I believe it's in Corinthians, wives submit unto your husband as you would unto the Lord.
	Unto the Lord, right?
	Just as the church submits to Christ.
	Yeah, well, okay, but marriage is the figurehead which represents this.
	So men are going to be the head, which is a representation of Christ, who's the head of the church.
	Women are going to be the body, which is the church itself.
	Who does the church submit to?
	They submit to Christ, but.
	Okay, so then if that is the case, then what is the logical entailment there?
	But if you're just taking a look at it, because it even says that husbands should serve their wives.
	That's part of being an okay.
	So let's try this again.
	If you are to submit unto your husband as you are unto the Lord, are you allowed to disobey the Lord?
	No.
	Okay, so then are you allowed to disobey your husband?
	Yeah, but in the Bible, it also is.
	But what I'm saying is you're going to answer my question.
	I'm saying willingly answer my question for you.
	Willingly submit to your husbands, but I'm saying don't be with the husband that also isn't willing to submit to you.
	Don't be with the husband.
	No, there's no mutual submission.
	That is what it is to serve each other.
	No, stop, stop.
	You're taking Paul way out of context here.
	When you're talking about mutual submission, especially, the reason that it specifically references why wives should submit, even if their husbands fall astray, even if they fall astray, is because if a woman still stays true, he can find his way back.
	When you're talking about mutual submission, let's start with this idea.
	What does submitting to your husband as unto the Lord mean?
	What does that mean?
	That you obey him.
	But what I'm saying is...
	Like you would unto who?
	To the Lord.
	And are you ever allowed to disobey the Lord?
	No.
	Okay, so then I don't know what is your argument then?
	That you made me lose my train of thought.
	Hold on.
	From what I understand from Christianity, the husband is supposed to put the wife on a pedestal and the wife submits to the husband.
	So there's a balancing act.
	Well, what I was trying to get at is if a man is providing for you, if a man is taking care of you, that's part of like submitting to you because a man doesn't have to do that.
	A man doesn't have to provide for his like wife and kids.
	There's a lot of men that don't do that, that they want to go 50-50.
	I think part of a man submitting is saying, I'm submitting to you in the fact that I want to work hard for this family.
	I want to work hard so that you're able to be here with my children and so that you can submit to me in the same way.
	Let's untangle, let's untangle some concepts here.
	So the first concept we'll untangle is I don't dispute that there's a lot of men who will always do X. Totally irrelevant.
	The conversation we're having right now, right now with you, is what Christian couples are to do or ought to.
	Not what other men do or what a lot of men do or what some men do or what many men do, only what Christian traditionalists do within this worldview.
	So untangle that from your argument and tell me, how should Christian women respond in obedience to their husbands?
	By serving them and submitting to them.
	That's right.
	By serving them and submitting to them.
	Okay, so let me ask you, how is a man supposed to serve his wife?
	How is a man?
	A man is to serve his entire family in the same way that Christ is supposed to be the sacrifice as the head.
	And you is the exchanger in this.
	Because he is the ultimate sacrifice for the family.
	He takes the bullet.
	He's the person who has to take all of the heat.
	He's the person who has to take all the responsibility for the decisions.
	You shut your fucking mouth and you let him do that.
	That's what obedience means.
	But in a way, isn't that submitting to his family and submitting to his wife?
	In the context, if you want to call that submission, you can.
	And I'm willing to even cede and allow you to, because I think in the church context, sure, you could call that submission.
	But is it submission when we're talking about obedience?
	Is a man to be obedient to his wife, in other words, or is a wife to be obedient to her husband?
	Both.
	Both.
	It's 50-50.
	I think it's just a mutual respect.
	What does that mean?
	A mutual respect.
	He says no.
	What's your answer when he says no?
	Oh, yeah, you don't really.
	Yeah.
	No, you're right.
	Okay.
	Well, then, what are you talking about?
	Well, it depends on, like, obviously certain things, because you're just saying a man shouldn't submit at all to his wife.
	There are instances where a man is submitting, though.
	And serving.
	By willing to be, like, you said, traditional and working and providing, that's submitting.
	Like, if you don't want to see it as that way, but it is, like, by a man saying, like, I'm willing to put my time to the side.
	I'm willing to let you stay at home.
	Like, I want to work.
	Just Gerald donated $200.
	The more I hear them speak, the more I love my peaceful, broke, young, submissive, loyal, Christian girlfriend who accepts all my decisions, who said, I trust you to lead me and our future family.
	Gerald, thank you, man.
	Appreciate it.
	Thank you for the TTS.
	Okay.
	I'm just going to cede the argument.
	I'll even consider this a form of submission.
	Who has the final say?
	In traditional relationships, the man.
	No, no, no.
	I'll let her answer.
	Oh, sorry.
	Who has the final say?
	Yeah, I mean, I guess the man.
	Oh, okay.
	Well, then I don't, I don't.
	So even if I call it submission, even if I just see the argument and say that that is a man's form of submission, which I don't even disagree with when you're talking about how husbands and wives are to submit to each other, I'll even concede the argument that that is exactly how a man is to submit to his family.
	Who has the final say is the man.
	And that is the point of what female submission is to be.
	And if that is the case of what female submission is to be, then you have been arguing with me just nonsense, circular nonsense for the last 10 minutes.
	I don't mind submitting to my man.
	I'm just saying we're taking this out of context here.
	You're trying to go down this rabbit hole.
	But the whole reason I'm looking for a traditional man is because I've never had that.
	Because I've had to be the man in the relationship.
	You're going to think this?
	And not to offend anyone that doesn't identify as a gender or if that's offensive.
	But what I'm saying is, yeah, I've always had to be the alpha female.
	Well, let us again.
	Let's have a deal breaker actually.
	So to untangle these different concepts, the first concept we'll untangle is: in your relationships, I'm guessing that they're secular.
	They're not based in a religious relationship.
	I'm more spiritual.
	I consider myself spiritual.
	I did grow up Catholic.
	Okay, so they're not Christian relationships, what I'm getting at.
	I do, yes.
	Okay, gotcha.
	So to untangle this, me and her were discussing specifically in the context of Christianity.
	Right.
	So I'm fine with moving back to the idea of like secular relationships.
	I just wanted to untangle those two concepts really quickly.
	So now we're moving back into the area of secular relationships.
	Then it's just an exchange, right?
	What else could it be?
	He gets and you get.
	I don't really see how else or what other incentive there would be absent divine command for you to have a relationship other than just like what you get out of it, right?
	So that's why I'm asking if it if it is just a matter of what you get versus what he gets, what does he get?
	That's all I'm asking here.
	Thank you for clearing that up.
	Well, I think it's necessary to clear it up.
	Yeah.
	And I agree.
	I don't disagree.
	I'd be happy to submit to a man.
	All right.
	I found one that I could be with.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	I'm going to read a couple chats here.
	We have lol paladins.
	Actually, Maddie, why don't you?
	I'll tell you guys a joke.
	I'm a multi-millionaire, and I'd rather support a 52-year-old woman with an adult child in tow versus the hot young woman that doesn't speak English.
	Thank you.
	Adult child in tow versus the hot young woman.
	Multi-millionaire and rather support a 52-year-old woman.
	Wait.
	He's saying he'd rather have.
	The joke is, is he'd rather have her than her.
	Oh, it's a joke.
	Is it a joke or is he being serious?
	Paladins, you guy.
	Okay, thank you, man.
	I appreciate it.
	We have Alec Lewis, 1 Peter, or go ahead, Nani.
	1 Peter 3, verse 1 through 7.
	Andrew, read this.
	This is what you're talking about from one Christian to another.
	A woman submits to her husband's headship according to Christ.
	Game over.
	Yeah, but she wasn't really denying that that was true.
	And usually what we end up with, we tangle over the ideas of Paul more than anything when it comes to marriage because he outlined them so well.
	But I mean, she essentially conceded that this is so, so there's really no reason to move past that, I don't think.
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	Drop us a follow and a prime sub if you have one.
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	Drop us a follow and a prime sub.
	Thank you guys.
	Appreciate it.
	And we are going to.
	Stiffler's been dying.
	Oh, okay.
	Ask everyone to rate their looks on a scale of one to ten.
	Can't pick seven, starting with you.
	I can't pick seven.
	Like my own looks?
	Yeah.
	Oh, I mean, it depends on who you're asking.
	I think I'm like a good six right now.
	I have no lashes and I'm very like humbly makeup drainer.
	Oh, okay.
	I think I'm an eight.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	I'd also say the same as six.
	An eight?
	I'd say a six.
	Oh, I'd say a six.
	Like a four.
	Five.
	Five.
	Just come like to the like the beauty standard, you know?
	Six.
	Okay.
	Eight.
	All right.
	Cool.
	Okay.
	What was the highest rating?
	Eight?
	Eight?
	Okay.
	There's three.
	Who said eight?
	Three.
	The three of us said eight.
	Boom, boom.
	And then Christy.
	Oh, Christy, eight.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	You really think you're an eight?
	Yeah.
	I don't know.
	No, I think she's prettier.
	Oh, prettier either.
	Yeah.
	Than an eight.
	Yeah.
	I like to confess her.
	No.
	No.
	So Maddie said she's an eight.
	I don't know if I need to give much pushback.
	No tens at the table, but you guys then.
	I think we need to give some pushback.
	Okay, give some pushback.
	So, you guys, would you think then?
	Are you also prepared to say that you're the most attractive women at the table?
	You two.
	No, because I think everybody underrated themselves.
	I see.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	Well, I have a question.
	So, hang on.
	I'm curious, though, from your estimation, why do you think they gave themselves a lower standard than you gave yourself, even though you don't think they're any less pretty than you are?
	I think when you're younger, you're a little bit, you know, you're not as confident.
	You know, when you get to our age, you know, you start to be more confident within yourself.
	Can you describe for me the most unattractive man you've ever been on a date with?
	What did he look like?
	Oh, gosh.
	Damn.
	Usually I. Whichever one pops to it, pops in, it pops into your head, whichever one it is.
	I don't know.
	Probably bad skin, balding.
	Maybe.
	Weird body.
	I don't know.
	I don't know.
	Honestly, I really do go for the personality.
	I think Christy and I talk about on the podcast sometimes.
	We'll give a four a chance if they have a good personality because it's not really about the looks.
	It is.
	Well, explain to me what a four looks like.
	Probably like red face, balding, you know, not swag in their dressing.
	Like their style is not maybe short, maybe a little fat.
	Maybe, yeah, maybe.
	Yeah, those would be all standards, right?
	But I've dated men shorter than me.
	What does a four look like for a woman?
	Huh?
	I would say maybe somebody that doesn't.
	Let her respond.
	Let her respond.
	Oh, you're asking me?
	Yeah, what's a four look like for a woman?
	Probably overweight, so overweight, not great hair, not good skin.
	Are those things that tend to come with age?
	Well, I'm an esthetician by trade, not really.
	No, young girls, people are aging quicker these days, especially in California because of the sun.
	Yeah, so I mean, the older they would be, they would still, that would still quantify that, right?
	Sure.
	So if they're 20 and they're getting their beat up, then by 60, they're going to be really beat up, right?
	Probably.
	Yeah, so then it would logically follow then that if they're already getting beat up by 20, that at 60 they're going to be even less attractive than they were at 20.
	So the question becomes: you at 53 years old in comparison to the 20-year-old.
	I'm sorry, 52.
	Get it right, Andrew.
	Get it right.
	I'm sorry, I'm sorry, 52.
	I didn't mean to misquote your age, my bad.
	It doesn't matter.
	Compared to the 20-somethings who are around the table, what are the features now that we know that you have a standard that would make them more or less attractive than you?
	Who the girls at the table?
	Yeah.
	Pick out the prettiest girl at the table.
	I think they're all gorgeous.
	Who's the prettiest one?
	The prettiest?
	The prettiest.
	Huh?
	I wouldn't even answer that question.
	I know you're not a natural beauty.
	Nothing with the right clothes and the right look.
	You could be very striking.
	Well, let me ask you a question then.
	You know, there isn't anything.
	To you who would not answer the question, to you who would not answer the question.
	I would like to know if you're going to lie to me or not.
	When you sat down at the table, and when most women sit down at that table, do you think that they assess instantly the attractiveness of the women who are next to them?
	Do you think that they pick out little flaws?
	Do you think they pick out little things inside of their head where they go, oh, I don't like that top?
	I don't like her eyebrows.
	What is she thinking with this look?
	Isn't that all true?
	Isn't that what most of the time women are doing when they assess each other, when they sit down with each other?
	Isn't that actually what's going on?
	Sorry, I zoned out.
	I was reading the gal in the white blouse who said, I wouldn't even answer the question, yeah.
	One second.
	GMD Jim donated $199.
	The old woman actually is funny.
	She believes she is going to find an actual traditional man that would put up with her BS.
	That is absolutely hilarious.
	She offers little.
	What's your opinion?
	I mean, she'll probably by this time next year be in Europe with some guy, and he probably will pay for everything.
	And you know it's true, Jim.
	But anyway, back to gal in the white blouse.
	Thank you, Jim.
	So I'm just going to ask you, because you said I wouldn't even answer the question, isn't it true that women all the time, likely even including yourself, inside of your mind, pick apart almost every other woman that you sit down with and you basically can't help yourself?
	Isn't that really what happens with women?
	Well, first of all, my name's Christie.
	And I don't think I appreciate you clarifying that.
	Understand that there's many people there with different names, and so it's hard for me to remember everybody's names.
	Refreshing your memory.
	I don't think girls are like that.
	I mean, maybe because I'm old.
	However, I sometimes do that because I'm an esthetician.
	So when I meet someone for the first time, I do scan their face and look at their skin, look at their pores, look at their wrinkles.
	But I really don't think, after working with women and only working with women, that they're naturally judging women that sit next to them or are in their circle.
	Well, if you don't mind, I'd like to go around the table.
	Just very quickly with a raise of hand.
	Do women often silently judge other women, even though they would never say this out loud, based on their looks, the clothes that they wear, and different beauty standards which they themselves hold.
	Raise your hand if that's true.
	Well, that's really weird, interestingly enough, though, just not for you, the esthetician.
	I think also we're older.
	That's what I was showing you.
	But somehow you think that other women don't do that.
	Now, literally, every woman at that table just raised their hand, and yet you're going to fib and bullshit me and say you have no beauty standard.
	Yeah, right.
	Tell me who is the prettiest girl at the table.
	Tell me the truth.
	Who is it?
	Oh, what is he talking about?
	Sorry, is it Christy?
	Oh, okay.
	Thank you for addressing me.
	The prettiest woman in this table, you know, it's hard to say because everyone's different ages, different body shapes, different faces.
	I'm not going to put anyone on the spot or even put myself on the spot.
	So I'm going to say I'm not going to answer that question.
	Okay, that's fine, and that's fair.
	Let me ask you just a quick follow-up: inside of your head, can you tell me just this truth?
	That inside of your head, you do know who you think the prettiest girl at the table is No, I would have to probably have everyone stand up and scan their bodies.
	I agree.
	We should do a fit check.
	Okay.
	We need to do a fit check.
	We haven't done that.
	Okay.
	All right, we'll do all right.
	Okay, you go first.
	Stand up.
	I'm not a chick.
	Well, you got to be judged too, right?
	What?
	Yeah.
	No.
	Come on.
	What are you afraid of?
	This is about the ladies.
	This is about the ladies.
	Oh, wow.
	And also, I would not reveal my dumpy.
	These guys in the chat want to see my dumpy.
	I ain't doing it.
	They have to pay for it.
	They got to pay for that shit.
	So this is a.
	Yo, AB check.
	Thank you for gifted 20.
	All right.
	We'll do a fit check.
	We'll start over there.
	If you guys want to just stand up.
	Oh, my God.
	You said you wanted a fit.
	You said you wanted to see how they look.
	Go ahead.
	Take a stand.
	I will say this, and I'm one-handed person.
	Go ahead.
	You take a stand.
	You she can take a stand.
	You get a stand.
	You get a stand.
	Ah!
	So beautiful.
	Carring.
	So this top is from Cece's closet.
	You know, I just borrowed it today, actually.
	These jeans are from Target, and I'm wearing socks from my closet as well.
	What about the hairband?
	The hairband I've ever seen.
	Where's that from?
	I've had it for like a while.
	You don't even know.
	I really don't know.
	I can't attack.
	Dope.
	Okay, thank you very much.
	What about I'll go?
	Okay, there we go.
	So my shirt is from Serena's bag.
	No, it's cutesies.
	Shizzles.
	These are from like, what, Charlotte Rouge?
	They were like five bucks.
	Super cheap, you know?
	Super cheap.
	And that's it.
	And my hair, like, whatever.
	I have this big tattoo that's like fading off.
	Did you want more?
	Do you need like spins or what do you need?
	Oh.
	Do you need a spin?
	I'm judging right now.
	That's why we're doing this.
	Can you translate?
	Tell her in Spanish.
	Like fit check.
	Oh, para ta para que tuen el corpoila.
	Ropo quetienes puesta.
	I'll take the black baby here.
	Yoana stand?
	Oh.
	Yeah.
	See?
	That's the only thing she knows in English.
	I just saw her how to say that right now.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Woo!
	De dondo agarastes tu blusa.
	Amazon.
	Amazon.
	Si.
	The rainforest or los pantalones.
	Navigación.
	Where's navigación?
	Navigation.
	Navigation.
	Si.
	Very cutesy, very demure.
	Are we saying where we got our outfits from?
	Where's the girl?
	See, I like your outfit, so what are they supposed to do?
	Yeah, like that.
	Dude, I want her outfit.
	My set is from Princess Polly, and my shoes are from Steve Madden.
	Cute cute.
	This is so random.
	We've never done this before.
	Very mad.
	We did fit checks like that.
	Yeah, but we don't say what we wear.
	Oh, okay.
	I don't know.
	All right, whatever.
	She's going next.
	Should I go?
	Go.
	Sure, yeah, go ahead.
	Oh, I'm just wearing brand new Malbo.
	I got it today.
	And my socks are both white, but they're mismatched.
	They're different brands.
	I lost my socks.
	Do you play soccer?
	I do.
	Yeah.
	Called it.
	Now, now if the gals who just demonstrated themselves to you, Christine, consider themselves average, which they seem to, because they consider themselves somewhere between a five and a six, which in a scale of ten, I would say, is pretty close to average.
	What would make the other gals here an eight other than some other than beauty standard, like competence or something like this?
	What would actually make them eights?
	So, physically, make them eights, maybe I don't know.
	I'm gonna say moisturizer and sunscreen so they don't get sun damage and wrinkles when they're my age.
	Work yeah, what would make them eights right now?
	What was that?
	Compared to the women who call themselves average, what would make the women there who call themselves eights actually eights?
	That's my question.
	I would say probably more self-confidence in the way they view themselves.
	They should feel more comfortable in their own skin because all of them are way beautiful.
	So pretty.
	Right.
	So, based on physical beauty standards, then would you revise the answer for the eights and say that they're not actually eights if they're being compared to women who are physically more beautiful than them, who judge their physical characteristics to be average?
	Which, by the way, you know, there's nothing wrong with average.
	You have a massive sample size of half of planet Earth.
	I think that average is probably pretty good.
	Average is way better than ugly.
	Yeah.
	But eight is like super model tier, right?
	Ultra hot.
	An eight?
	I think eight is no.
	So what's that?
	What is average?
	What is average?
	I think an eight is between average and super model.
	What?
	Well, then what would happen?
	I think we have a different criteria.
	$200.
	Lalde would rather do this than admit that they were wrong when saying they are eights.
	Now imagine being in a relationship with them.
	You're demonstrating why men wouldn't want to deal with old women.
	Wait, what?
	I wouldn't concern that.
	Okay, so eight is super duper hot.
	Nine is smoking hot.
	Ten is maybe ten of them on planet Earth.
	That's ten.
	I think it like depends.
	Everyone has different beauty standards.
	You know, right.
	Well, I actually stick to my own beauty standards.
	Let me ask you a question.
	If everybody has different beauty standards, which I agree, there could be some subjective metric to this.
	Can you ask, or can I ask you a question?
	Do you think most women would whether be skinnier or fatter?
	I think nowadays fatter.
	Skinnier.
	I would say that most women would prefer to be fatter?
	Like there's girls that love me because I'm thick and I hate it.
	Like I want more lipo to get rid of my ass.
	Yeah, do you think so?
	You think most women would prefer to be skinnier?
	Yeah.
	Yes.
	Well then we have a standard, don't we?
	I want to offer myself up as tribute.
	Can you guys just rate me on a scale of one to ten?
	I will not be offended.
	I'm just curious.
	Go ahead.
	Starting with you.
	Well, you got to stand up now.
	No, just face.
	Just face.
	Just face.
	Stand up.
	Well, so just face.
	Yeah, just hold on.
	Can I get your age?
	35. Like a...
	What would that matter?
	Like, honestly, why would it even matter what his age was?
	I don't get that.
	He could either look really good for his age or really bad for his age.
	It has nothing to do with it.
	He's just asking you to rate him.
	Who cares what his age is?
	Just based on physical characteristics, his age wouldn't matter.
	Personally, to me, I've never been attracted to white men, and I'm in a relationship, so like a three.
	You have a good, like, beard.
	Come on, nice eyes.
	Okay, what about you?
	I would say you're above average to six.
	Okay, what about you?
	I would also say you're just a little too old for me, so I'd say a six, too.
	Okay.
	I'm going to start off by saying the beard is good.
	No, start with the eyebrows.
	The eyebrows are very well maintained.
	I don't maintain.
	I don't maintain.
	I think you don't get a gun shape.
	Oh, okay.
	This shit's natural, son.
	Wow.
	Fucking 10 out of 10.
	Eyebrow genetics.
	Wow, you're a natural beauty then.
	That's good.
	Okay, I'm going to rate you.
	We can't do sixes?
	No, you can say six.
	Okay, I'm going to say six.
	W.
	I would also give you a six.
	W. I'm not like scared of you, but I'm scared of old men, so I can't place them.
	I'm not like, I can't place them at like above a four, so like three.
	But like you're cool, you know?
	Okay.
	Six.
	I shouldn't.
	Do you want me to?
	It's okay.
	We work together.
	Yeah.
	It's all right.
	Okay, so.
	Wait, so you're an eight.
	I'm a six.
	So you'd be settling, like looks-wise, you feel like you'd be settling for me.
	Like I said before, it's not about looks for me.
	It's about the personality and if we have compatibility.
	Yeah, but earlier you said something along the lines of we give fours chances.
	Yeah, you can always upgrade a man.
	Yeah.
	Right, but my man didn't know how to dress when I started dating him.
	But so you give a would you would you be giving a 10 a chance?
	A 10 man?
	A guy who's a 10 out of 10 looks, would you be giving him a chance?
	Or would you just be like, I want that dude?
	I'm not giving him a chance.
	I want that guy bad.
	I want him in what manner.
	So hold on, let me ask you a question.
	Are there some men that you would be settling for?
	Looks-wise.
	Looks-wise, or on any metric that you'd be settling for, right?
	If we're talking about looks, yes, I have dated men that were not as attractive because I like their personality.
	Yeah, you like their personality, but if a guy's attractive, he's not going to have to make up for it perhaps as much or to the same degree, correct?
	Not true at all.
	Not true at all.
	You don't care.
	I don't care at all about.
	So you'll date them.
	No, I've been with really attractive hot men that have terrible personalities and I don't date them anymore.
	But what if they have good personalities?
	Now let's say that's like a man.
	Hold on.
	Let's say you have two men with good personalities.
	One of them's a four, one of them's a nine.
	Which do you pick?
	Well, they're equally personalities.
	Equal, I mean, they add up to the same personality-wise.
	Maybe they're different, but they're about the same.
	Your assessment of their personality status, finances, whatever, it's about the same.
	Probably the more attractive guy.
	So the less attractive guy would lose out, right?
	So it does matter.
	What doesn't matter?
	Because I'm not going to find anyone anyway, compared to whoever said I'm delusional that I'm not going to find somebody.
	Okay, but hang on.
	Moving back to what some chatter said to you, really doesn't engage with what Brian's saying to you.
	So he's saying specifically to you, like, look, if another guy is going to be missing out because, you know, guy two is a 10, then obviously looks do matter.
	Even from the metric of, well, I still prefer personality, you would still go for the guy who was better looking with the personality.
	But, no, there's more to it than just that.
	There's compatibility, there's chemistry, there's commitment.
	He's saying if you're compatible with the.
	So I'm just curious.
	So going back to this, just curious.
	So you said you were an eight.
	You gave me a six.
	I actually give myself a five.
	But so you think, in your view, you would be settling for me just looks-wise?
	I don't think that way.
	But you would be, right?
	You said you're an eight.
	Even though you're hold on.
	Wait.
	Holy fuck, I can't math right now.
	Wait.
	What?
	Even though you're like 17 years my senior?
	Uh-huh.
	So what's your point?
	Sorry?
	It's just interesting.
	What?
	Is nobody following?
	I don't think my age has anything to do with it or you're being 17 years younger than me.
	I don't know.
	I think it does.
	So, I mean, his argument here is actually pretty simple.
	What is it?
	He's just saying, well, I'll explain it.
	He's just saying, listen, it's really interesting that he rates himself at, you know, I think Brian generally rates himself around a six.
	If I am correct there, Brian?
	Five.
	Five.
	Okay, even, and you rate yourself at an eight, which means his self-assessment is far lower than your self-assessment.
	So he's asking, so are you settling with me looks-wise if you guys were to date?
	Wouldn't you be settling?
	So you could say, well, there's all these other factors.
	There's personality, there's this and that.
	But he's only asking about the settlement on looks because he's saying if another man had the same personality, same everything else, but was, you know, a 10, he would be missing out, right?
	So wouldn't you be settling on looks?
	Sure, for argument's sake, yes, I would be settling.
	So what would make you an eight and him a five?
	In other words, how could a woman who's 17 years older than him say that for all practical purposes that she is three levels more attractive than he is and yet would still be settling for him looks-wise?
	I got to tell you, the discrepancy seems night and day to me.
	Yeah, I don't think you can really compare because I mean, to other 52-year-olds, she is probably an eight.
	I mean, I don't know a lot of 52 year olds, but I mean.
	This is why we're not comparing her to a 52-year-old.
	We're compared to the paradigm.
	But that's what I'm saying.
	We can't compare her to exactly 35-year-old.
	Like, they're all not why can't we?
	Because they're on different, like.
	That's the point.
	It's the same thing as a 53-year-old dating.
	Oh, I don't wanna 23-year-old like what happened with you, right?
	Which obviously could be a comparison because you didn't want to sleep with that guy because you thought he was ugly and old, right?
	It's the same exact thing.
	So, and I can also ask you this question: let's say we dated.
	There's the comparison right there.
	Does that make sense?
	Yeah, but if we dated, people external to us could make a determination as to who is settling looks-wise.
	So, regardless of the age discrepancy, they would be like, oh, removing the age from it, who's settling for who when it comes to looks?
	Right?
	You agree we can date, right?
	We could date.
	Okay, yeah.
	Sure.
	So we would be in a relationship.
	People external to us would be able to make a determination as to who is settling looks-wise, correct?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	So how's it relevant?
	Okay, I get what you're saying now.
	Okay.
	I have another question then.
	I've got another question.
	Do you guys.
	Mike Davis donated $200.
	Yo, big girl, I'm going to keep it $100 with you.
	A not thicker jumbo size.
	I would never fly near you because I don't fly coach.
	But if I were to get seated next to you, I would pull the emergency door.
	I know I'm, I can stand up if you want, but like.
	Okay.
	Yeah, I also feel like it's like ultra-wide.
	No, I know I'm a little big right now, and my goal is to lose like 20 pounds, but I feel like, yeah, like in the center camp, it does make you look bigger.
	I might go into some stretch.
	Okay.
	All right.
	We have Stephan.
	I'll do two chats and then we'll get back.
	Stephan Jack, third time lucky.
	BLM told me that.
	Hey guys, quiet, please.
	Third time lucky.
	BLM told me the message when I'm flying over to get me on the show.
	I want to stress the importance of BLM and my husband can put his philosopher thinking into good use and debate.
	Third time lucky?
	BLM told me the message.
	I'm flying over again.
	Importance.
	Hashtag BLM.
	Hashtag Big Labia Matter.
	Maybe we can pull that up.
	Very important.
	Show of hands.
	Anybody here ever been shamed for like their labia or whatever?
	What is that?
	No.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Thank you, Stefan.
	We have another chat here from.
	I only date women with large labias, so awkward.
	Thank you.
	I would also, oh, Maddie.
	I would also rather take the geriatric woman who can't have children and fake Tatas and probably left their husbands to find themselves over the hottie that can't speak English.
	Ha she understands English, so that's kind of sad.
	She understands.
	She only speaks very little.
	It's true.
	It's true.
	So question going back to this, the rating thing.
	Do you guys think you'll be better looking in 10 years' time?
	Better looking in 10 years' time?
	Yeah.
	Okay, so better looking at 36 as compared to now at 26?
	Yeah.
	What about 20 years' time?
	So 46 versus 26.
	I would probably by that time know because I tan a lot.
	Okay.
	And then better looking now at 26 than you were at 18?
	Oh, 100%.
	I had a little girl body.
	Okay.
	And then better looking in 10 years' time?
	No.
	Okay.
	Do you think you were better looking 10 years ago as compared to now?
	No.
	Better looking now?
	Yes.
	At 52 as compared to 42.
	Can we switch the split?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	What about 20 years back?
	32 versus 52.
	Better looking now or 32?
	I think now.
	I like the way I look now.
	Okay.
	22 versus 52?
	I mean, I'm like, I was with her.
	I had like a, I was like too skinny.
	I didn't have boobs.
	Yeah.
	I'm better now than I was at 22.
	So?
	Yes.
	Better looking at 52 than you were at 22?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	But not better.
	But 52, I guess you're saying you're peaking because you won't be better at 62.
	Yeah, I think I'm at my peak right now.
	52 is the peak.
	I think so.
	I'm older, I'm wiser.
	What about you?
	21?
	Better looking at 31?
	I would hope so, but yeah, I wouldn't try.
	I want to put more money into myself a little bit more later on in life because right now it's like school's my focus.
	When you say put more money into you, what do you mean?
	Like more quality higher and skincare, like better hair care, probably keeping up maintaining, getting more haircuts or like keeping a manicure maybe, like spending more money like in that wise.
	Like keeping up with like more maintenance.
	Self-care.
	Yeah, self-care, I guess.
	Classic surgery?
	No.
	I'm happy with the way I look right now.
	What about like your fitness?
	Is it good now or no?
	It's a lot better than what it used to be.
	I definitely used to be a lot heavier, so I feel a little bit happier now that I'm a little bit more happy.
	How about better looking at 41 as compared to 21?
	By then I'll probably have kids, so I wouldn't push that.
	Yeah, so I'd probably feel a little bit better.
	Better looking at 31.
	Okay.
	Assuming you had all that stuff in place today, skincare, hair, whatever the other stuff you listed was, you had it in place today, and you also had it in place in 10 years' time, would you still be better looking at 31?
	Yeah, I think so.
	I would hope so.
	But you said you would be better looking at 31 because you would have to do it.
	No, no, no, hold on.
	If you had the things in place now and you also had all those things in place at 31, will you still be better looking at 31?
	Probably.
	I don't know the answer, but I'm going to say no.
	If I would probably be doing the same thing like consecutively, probably not.
	I'd probably just age and actually lose my baby features that I have right now.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	So better looking in 10 years' time?
	No.
	Okay.
	You're 53.
	Were you better looking at 43 than you are now?
	No.
	Okay.
	Better looking at 33 than you were now?
	No.
	Better looking at 23 than you are now?
	Yes.
	Because that's pre-kids.
	Oh.
	So better looking at 23, but then worse looking 33, but then better between 33 and 43, better, where were you better looking?
	33 or 43?
	33.
	I took care of myself better than my, I guess, self-worth went down in my 40s, because that's when my marriage started taking a dump.
	And I started just not putting myself as a priority, so I wasn't taking care of it.
	Better looking at 23 or 33?
	23.
	Okay.
	And then, but so better, but better looking now at 53 as compared to 43 and 33.
	Yeah.
	Okay, but not 23.
	Nope.
	So wait.
	Your looks were perhaps at their peak at 23.
	Decline 33, decline 43, increase 53.
	How does that, in what way?
	I invested in myself more.
	I took better care of my skin, my body, and I got some plastic surgery.
	And then all those things kind of boost my self-esteem.
	So I started viewing myself as more of a value.
	And yeah, I feel like during the time of having kids, being with young children, I couldn't invest in myself as much.
	And then, plus, you know, I was in a rough marriage.
	So I didn't put myself as a priority compared to what I do now.
	So yes, I feel like.
	Yeah.
	Can I ask you a question?
	Do you think you have an easier time finding men now at 53 as compared to, I don't know if you were a relationship when you were 33.
	Perhaps you just met maybe the guy that you were.
	I met my ex-husband when I was 20.
	I see.
	Okay.
	Do you think you would have had an easier time dating, finding a man at 33 than you do now at 53?
	Yes.
	Easier now.
	Easier.
	Let's assume you were single when you were 33.
	Okay.
	I think it would have been easier back in my 30s, actually, if I was single to find a guy.
	Okay.
	Compared to now.
	And then wait, going back to you, you said better looking now at 52 as compared to 42, 32, and 22, correct?
	Do you have an easier time finding men now at 52 than you did at 22?
	I do.
	Do you have more male attention at 52 than you did?
	Yeah, I do.
	Okay.
	Going to you, you're 18.
	Do you think you'll be better looking at 28 than you are now?
	Yeah.
	38?
	I think so.
	48?
	Yeah.
	My mom's like gorgeous and she's that age, so.
	58?
	50?
	No, maybe.
	No.
	So at 48, you'll be better looking than how you look now?
	No, I think like now to like 28, like will be my prime.
	And then 48, like, I don't know, for like, I don't know.
	Well, so you said better looking at 28.
	Will you be better looking at 38 than you are at 28?
	Oh, no.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	All right.
	What about you?
	I think I'll be like look good looking on my 30s, but like that's right.
	I cut it off right there.
	Okay, so you're 20, better looking at 30?
	Yeah.
	That's it.
	Alright, can you translate for me?
	Will she be better looking in 10 years time?
	Te vasa del mes más major que te esorita en díasaños?
	No.
	No.
	Okay, all right, cool.
	Maddie?
	Honestly, I think so.
	But not after that.
	No, honestly, less than 10 years.
	But I think 10 years now.
	Asian don't raising.
	Yeah.
	That's true.
	Okay.
	Damn, y'all crazy.
	Y'all crazy.
	Even for like an 18-year-old?
	What?
	You're coming after me again.
	Do you think you would genuinely out-compete yourself at 22?
	I would out-compete at 52?
	Yeah.
	I just was not, yeah, I think so.
	I think because I was an idiot at 22.
	I wasn't.
	Well, just talking looks, right?
	No, I mean, I guess we met at the gym when we were 22, 21, 22, right?
	I mean, yeah, my bot, I had a bigger butt back then, but other than that, I don't think.
	Guys don't care about that.
	Take my face.
	I think it looks better.
	Do you have photos when you're young?
	Oh, we should pull up some of our old photos.
	Oh my god.
	Oh, the butterfly clips.
	I really want to go there.
	They're terrible.
	Yeah.
	We do.
	Yeah.
	On your Instagram, or would you have to send it to me?
	No, I'd have to look on my phone.
	Can we, Nick, you want to get her phone?
	We'll do it.
	I'll read a couple chats while we're doing that.
	We have John rating the girls from left to right, 8-6.
	Here, I'll do this.
	8-6-5-5-3-5-3-3.
	Morgan is also an 8.
	Which one's yours?
	Mrs. Chairbone.
	Oh, yeah.
	Do we have...
	John A., thank you, man.
	Appreciate it.
	And then we have Raven here.
	Question for the table.
	Would you rather have men make the move and risk SA or ask for consent and risk the ick?
	I don't know if you should.
	You maybe shouldn't have framed it this way because I feel like it kind of jumps the gun a little bit on the angle for the question, but white knighting for the goofy girl in the middle with a mop on her head.
	Brian, be nice.
	I don't know what that means.
	I woke up.
	I like just woke up before I came here.
	I was picked up off the street.
	Off the mean streets of Santa Barbara.
	Okay.
	Giovanni, appreciate it, brother.
	Thank you, thank you.
	So would you rather, I'll just ask it this way.
	Would you prefer a guy going for the kiss, asking for the kiss, or just going for it?
	Depends on the context.
	If it's like a first.
	First kiss.
	First kiss.
	Yeah, I would rather them go for it.
	If they could read your body language, yeah.
	If I'm obviously into him, he would do it.
	What about you?
	Oh, gosh.
	I like a man to take charge.
	Preferably, I'd like him to make the first move, like, kiss without, like, asking.
	Without asking.
	Okay, what about you?
	Yeah, just to go for it.
	Okay.
	I'd agree.
	All right.
	Like, on the first date?
	Ever?
	Or just in general?
	Well, first kiss.
	First kiss.
	If it's the first date, if it's the third date, whatever.
	Okay, first kiss.
	Yeah, like, yeah, it's, yeah, if they kiss you first, they grab you all cute.
	Okay.
	Did this camera get bumped?
	Didn't it get switched?
	I don't know what they said.
	It looks.
	I didn't see.
	I'm way out of frame.
	It must have got bumped.
	Okay, I'll come fix it.
	Which do you prefer?
	For sure, it got bumped.
	First kiss.
	What?
	You want the guy to like go for it or you want him to ask?
	Go for it.
	Okay, Maddie.
	Go for it, but I also don't find it icky if they ask me.
	Fair.
	Okay.
	And then we have Dave's drone.
	Love the content.
	And Andrew's a boss.
	If Brian is a five, I'm a solid two.
	None of these women have proved themselves worthy as a keeper, and that's coming from a two.
	Let that sink in.
	Girls, it gets worse for you as you get older.
	Dave's drone.
	Thank you, Dave's drone, for the $100 super chat.
	The girls loved that one.
	Big fans of that one, man.
	So you guys just don't think you get less attractive as you get older?
	Like, I have visible signs of aging on my face.
	Like, I'm not like delusional in this regard.
	This equally applies to women.
	Like, As you age, even if you live like a totally perfect, stress-free life and you never smile and you never laugh and you never move your face at all, over 10 years, 20 years, 30 years, there's going to be changes to your face and body, to your skin.
	People get, I make the argument both men and women get less attractive as they get older.
	I think there's some differences between men and women.
	Generally speaking, you get less attractive as you get older.
	It is what it is.
	There's a lot of cope.
	Nothing?
	Are we?
	Nothing?
	Like 29 versus like 19.
	Yeah.
	Even like 19 to 29, yes.
	It's not, you don't start looking younger.
	It's just confusing because so many people get work done nowadays.
	You can't really tell how old they are.
	No.
	Actually, have you seen those clips of those like 24-year-old women who've got a fuck ton of Botox?
	Yeah.
	And they look like they're in their 40s.
	Yeah.
	I don't think plastic surgery, like, I think plastic surgery, no offense to those of you who have it, I'm not a fan.
	And I think it makes women look worse.
	Sorry.
	Well, yeah, it definitely depends on what you're getting done, where you're getting it done, and how old you are getting things done.
	Because yeah, it can make you look older.
	If you start too soon getting injectables, you could be overdone.
	Let me, you know, I was wondering about this though, Brian, on the plastic surgery thing for you.
	Is that decade-specific?
	Like, right now, I would agree, especially with the Brazilian butt lips, which makes it look like a woman has taken a dump in her pants.
	It's the most absurd thing that I've ever seen, and it's gross.
	But if you go back and you look at the plastic surgery from the 90s, for instance, it seemed like it was way less obvious and it was mostly an enhancement.
	It looked like they were trying to go for more of an enhancement of kind of that hourglass figure and this type of thing.
	Would you have objected as badly in the 90s and even early 2000s as you do now as kind of this bizarre standard of BBLs and this type of thing?
	I'm just curious.
	Well, I don't think women in the 90s were getting the amount of procedures that they were today.
	Well, you haven't seen Baywatch?
	I think she had fake titties, and I think that's it.
	I think that's it.
	They would usually do the fake boobs, and then I think the nose job was pretty common.
	Sure, they do the nose job.
	I think, honestly, when it comes to nose jobs, though, that is the one procedure that sometimes you can tell, but oftentimes it's a little harder to tell with the nose, I think.
	If it's done, like it's a little harder to tell.
	Also, the nose job is a fairly slight change, whereas, and also the nose job.
	A nose job can be done whereby it makes a nose look like somebody else's nose that they could just normally have.
	Whereas no woman has natural boobs that look like fake titties.
	It just, there's no such thing.
	No fake titties look like natural titties.
	Ain't a thing.
	Well, I guess what I'm wondering is: do you think you'd have the same objections?
	And I'm just curious about this myself.
	Would you have the same objections, do you think, from like 90s, early 2000s women to the types of plastic surgery that they had then versus now where it's so over the top and almost makes them look like different people.
	They almost look kind of alien in some ways.
	So, I mean, I would say I would object less insofar as my understanding of most of the plastic surgery that was done in perhaps the early 2000s and throughout the 90s was mostly, mostly fake breasts.
	I don't think BBLs were really a thing.
	Maybe a bit, but I don't think it was a thing.
	You certainly don't.
	I think it was just fake breasts in the 90s.
	I wouldn't have liked the fake titties had I been dating in the 90s.
	I wouldn't have liked them.
	But now you have the lip filler, the Botox, the lipo, the BBL.
	I don't like any of these procedures.
	So I suppose to answer your question, yes, I object more now.
	But I mean, a fake boob job, a woman with a fake boob job in the 90s versus a woman with a fake boob job in 2024, it's about the same.
	But there's all that other stuff now, too.
	So yeah, I would object more to it, I guess, assuming she had those additional procedures.
	Gotcha.
	I just, I prefer, I've said it before.
	I'll take no boobs or small boobs over fake titties.
	I'll take no butt, flat butt over BBL.
	I'll take no upper lip over lip filler.
	I'll take belly fat over lipo.
	I mean.
	Can my friend say something?
	Oh, sure.
	Wait, what?
	Did you want to say something?
	Yeah, I'll weigh in.
	Okay.
	Well, I think that, I mean, at least this day and age, everyone is.
	Sorry.
	Go ahead.
	Yeah, I speak English, guys.
	I think that a lot of the stop.
	A lot of the surgeries right now are like trendy.
	So all these body types, like the big BBLs, are just trendy.
	And in my opinion, I think it's going to go away and we're probably going to sway towards natural bodies again.
	So I think like overall it's pretty damaging what people are doing to themselves.
	I feel like nose jobs are the only one that actually looks good after.
	I'll actually agree.
	I will agree.
	I think I just save lives sometimes.
	Definitely seem to improve the facial aesthetics.
	I don't think the same can be said with like most other, at least me personally, aesthetically speaking, I don't think any other procedure aesthetically looks better.
	I don't.
	I would like to add though, the only thing about nose jobs like I don't like that I've seen recently is the like white button nose that everyone's getting and it takes away from like people's like ethnicity.
	Like you stop looking what you are and I feel like sometimes that makes you prettier than having like the just same white girl nose that everyone wants.
	Yeah, that's true.
	I hate like the swoop on the nose bridge.
	Yeah, like that just looks like so plasty.
	That or like the perfect little button nose is just like it doesn't fit everyone's face.
	I feel like a lot of ethnicities feel obligated to get nose jobs though.
	I get when they have like the big, you know, like a lot of Armenian girls that I know had that and they'll get like nose jobs, but it's like, okay, I get you're trying to get rid of that, but also if you're gonna do it, at least keep a little bit more of your like ethnicity with the rest of your nose instead of it just completely looking like it doesn't even fit your face.
	Yeah, I think they just also could be just really insecure about their nose so they want to change everything about it.
	Yeah.
	It's a thing like I know a lot of Persian people that like all of them have nose drops.
	Oh yeah that's like a thing.
	That's like their go-to.
	Yeah.
	But I think nose jobs are like the only thing.
	I honestly think they're like the biggest transformation that a person can have.
	I think they change how you look the most rather than like getting your lips done or your boobs done or your butt done or whatever.
	Yeah.
	What do you guys think of filler?
	Like lip filler?
	Like any facial filler because it's not surgical.
	It's injections.
	I've always been scared of that.
	Have you guys seen like the videos of like the old people with wrinkles who get like face tightening?
	It's so scared.
	Is that real?
	That's like very satisfying to watch though.
	No, they like it.
	I like seeing the before and afters when they're done right because it's like, damn, you just don't know what it is.
	I feel like 15 years.
	When it's done right though, like is it always going to stay right or is it going to stay right for those five years, ten years?
	How many times are you sure?
	I got to move on, but we have Dorbell Machista.
	Can you read it?
	Would you choose a wealthy daring Latino with strong ethnocentric collectivist views or a modest, mild-mannered Asian who values liberal preservationist ideals?
	Alignment of value?
	What the heck?
	How was this?
	Um, going around the table?
	I need that Austin.
	I don't even know.
	I don't know.
	All right, go ahead, Maddie.
	Would you choose a wealthy, daring Latino with strong ethnocentric collectivist views or a modest, mild-mannered Asian who values liberal preservationist ideals?
	Alignment of values.
	I pick my boyfriend.
	That's all I'm going to say.
	If you had to pick one, though.
	Well, he's Hispanic, so I'll just go with that.
	Okay, so Latino guy or Asian guy?
	Asian.
	Latino.
	Asian.
	Latino.
	White.
	White?
	Yeah.
	Bro, you can't pick one.
	Okay, Latino.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	I'd probably go for the Latino also.
	All right.
	We have Warlord 69.
	Not too late.
	Can't find it.
	Brian 07 integrates you again.
	Ladies, please rate Nanelle Conde in her prime during the 2000s.
	Nice to see you again, too, Warlord.
	Thank you, Warlord, man.
	Appreciate it.
	Ella!
	Nanelle Conde.
	Brother Ugh.
	Brother Uh.
	Are you looking at it?
	Brother.
	Giovanni, can you read it?
	Chat simping for the chick that pretended she didn't speak English.
	Middle girl supremacy.
	I know there's a rodent in that nest and I'm here for it.
	We can name it What a tooey.
	He's talking about you.
	They like you.
	Oh, they like me.
	Hi.
	He says middle girl supremacy.
	Thanks guys.
	Do you want to blow a kiss into this camera right here?
	Boom.
	All right, there you go.
	All right.
	Thank you, Giovanni.
	Appreciate it, bro.
	Call it What a Tooie.
	What a Tooie.
	What are bamboo lips?
	Bamoon?
	Baboon.
	Crazy lip filler.
	Let's get into some different pre-show notes here.
	Actually, you know what?
	I want to bring it back to, you said something I thought was interesting much earlier on in the show.
	You said that the past shouldn't matter.
	Oh, Maddie, can you read that really quick while I?
	Madison, I'm 30 years old making 90K a year.
	I can't get you in a benz, but I can get you in a really nice Honda Civic.
	Let me take you on a date.
	I have a lovely boyfriend that I'm committed to.
	I'll go, bro.
	Why don't you ask me, bro?
	Why don't you ask me, bro?
	What the fuck?
	Okay.
	Thank you, bro.
	Appreciate it.
	So, you said past shouldn't doesn't matter, right?
	So, like, that came up with like the body count conversation, I guess?
	We had a body count conversation.
	Was it about body count?
	I don't think we've.
	They just included that, but it wasn't.
	Oh, Maddie, could you read that real quick while it's here?
	Please write Brian's excellent eyebrows on a scale from 1 to 60, comparing them to a majestic hawk's wingspan.
	But only if the Hawk has recently taken a salsa dancing class.
	I got great eyelashes too, by the way.
	None of you guys had anything to say about that.
	I said you had.
	Killer of cereal donated 200 killer of cereal.
	Thank you.
	I got to ask it again.
	It's been pretty successful in the past.
	Panel, what's the most embarrassing thing to happen to you during a day tour while sharing carnal knowledge of each other?
	We'll do that.
	We'll do that.
	First, though, you guys need to rate my freaking eyebrows on a scale of 1 to 60.
	1 to 60.
	Kind of like a high 30.
	Why is this one?
	This one's a little longer than that one.
	I like true.
	No eyebrows are ever the same.
	Yeah, they're sisters.
	I'll manage.
	This is natural.
	Yeah, me too.
	Really nice.
	You don't have a unibrow, or at least from here, I can't see you, so I'd say like a good 55.
	Really?
	I'd say, I think it was 50.
	I was going to say, no, I was going to agree with that.
	10.
	It's like 10.
	No, it's out of 60.
	I think he's committing 40 to 60.
	That's why I'm out of 40, bro.
	42.
	That's why I said out of 60.
	Damn, y'all ruthless.
	Leave my eyebrows out of this shit.
	Wait, ladies, what do you think of young Andrew Wilson?
	Pull that shit up, Nick.
	And then if we get, how much did I say I would show that like video of me when I was 23 and I was like flexing?
	A thousand.
	How much?
	A Bitcoin?
	A thousand.
	No.
	Yeah.
	No, no, no.
	You said two champagne pops.
	No.
	What?
	No, I thought it was.
	One and you said five.
	I don't remember what it was.
	Wait, pull up, Andrew, again.
	Look at this fucking legend.
	Look at this fucking stud.
	I'm a fucking legend.
	God damn, son.
	Sorry, Andrew.
	That was kind of sucks.
	Where's he at?
	Look at that.
	Ladies, would you, would you guys, sorry Andrew.
	I'm going to be like D-Gen.
	Would you guys have hit?
	Like, young Andrew?
	Would you guys have hit?
	Sorry, Rachel.
	Rachel, I'm sorry, Rachel, Rachel.
	I'm sorry.
	Rachel Wilson, I apologize.
	Would you guys have...
	He looks like my dad, so that's like a...
	What do you mean?
	No, no, no.
	Young Andrew.
	Young Andrew.
	Andrew, how old were you in that photo?
	20.
	I want to say I was 19.
	Yeah.
	No, like, that looks like a picture of my dad.
	You wouldn't go for it.
	Your dad doesn't look like that.
	Not now, but I'm 19.
	I'm 19.
	Wow, I look purple.
	Oh, my.
	Don't worry.
	It's just the screen.
	Don't worry.
	You're fine.
	Trust me.
	It's just the screen.
	It's like not a, it's a TV screen.
	It's fucking chill.
	Nah, here, look, I'll join you.
	Look at that shit, bro.
	It's because we're white.
	That's right, bro.
	This fucking TV's racist, dude.
	Fuck this TV, bro.
	Fucking Costco, fucking racist piece of shit.
	Fucking selling us some racist ass fucking TV mongers.
	Fuck you, Costco, you racist white.
	I love Costco.
	Oh, God, what did I say, bro?
	So, show of hands.
	Show of hands.
	Who of you would hit Andrew?
	That's such a weird question.
	Should just ask them to like rate him at that age.
	Or sure.
	Like smash or pass.
	Smash or pass.
	Yeah, that's a better way to frame it.
	How many of you have to do that?
	You gotta put that picture up.
	You can't use me now.
	Holy shit.
	How many of you would clap them cheeks?
	Wait, girls can do that to a guy?
	Anything's good.
	You need to have like a toy for the guy.
	Oh, babies.
	He is a brave and a decent man.
	He's a pioneer.
	Oh boy.
	Okay.
	They rated my eyebrows.
	Okay, most embarrassing thing to happen during a date or during carnal knowledge.
	On a date, I tried wax for the first time when I was like, I want to say 21, and I got so high.
	We were in, I was like freaking out, made him go through a drive-thru.
	And midway through the drive-thru, I just started throwing up.
	And I opened like the car door and I just threw up in the middle, like the little pocket thing.
	And he was like, I just got my car washed for this day.
	It was like horrible.
	I felt so bad all over the drive-thru, all over his car.
	Yeah.
	First and last time doing wax.
	I'm going to have to think about this for a second.
	I'm going to say, this happened when I was like in my 20s before I found my husband, but I like seriously was choking during dinner and he had to give me the Heimlich.
	Yeah, that's embarrassing.
	What about you?
	What's carnal knowledge?
	I don't know what that means.
	Oh, sexual intercourse.
	Okay, I'll come back then.
	Can I come back to it quickly?
	Well, so it's either an embarrassing thing that happened on the date or during.
	I like, I broke my ankle once on a date and it was like really embarrassing.
	We were playing like basketball and I just got like just got juked out and it was bad.
	Damn.
	Really ugly.
	And pathetic.
	Like for being athletic, that's so pathetic.
	Oh, pathetic.
	For me, like it was so recent, like yesterday, I got wine drunk and then they drew like you know, DICKs all over my arms.
	You're like passed out?
	Yeah, like I got super wine drunk.
	Were you hanging out with white people?
	I was hanging out with my white man and then his, yeah, I guess, yeah, white people.
	But I like it.
	I feel like it's only a comedian has a joke about this, but no, it's Dave Chappelle.
	It's like only white people do.
	I blacked out off wine.
	I blacked out online.
	So bad.
	Word most embarrassing date store?
	I can't really.
	I can't really think of one.
	Okay.
	And dog?
	I don't have one either.
	You got one?
	You mean, I know.
	I mean, I went on 45 dates.
	No.
	I didn't have any embarrassing moments.
	I don't know.
	Did you like fart during a date or something?
	No.
	Okay.
	I don't know.
	That could be an example.
	What about you?
	Yeah.
	So when I went to like a golf course or like a driving range, I reached down to put like the ball on the tee and my jeans were a little too tight.
	So like, you know, they kind of split down the middle, like right in the back.
	And it was like really cold.
	I had a sweater to tie over, but it was really embarrassing because you did actually see everything.
	Cool.
	Nice.
	So I have a question going back to the two gals that's popping up a bunch.
	When you're talking about your kind of dating prospects, I was just curious.
	Are you post-menopausal at this point?
	No.
	No?
	No.
	No.
	Okay.
	Not yet.
	Hmm.
	Okay.
	I still have a period.
	Oh, going around the table, actually, before we get into the passion matter, what do you bring to the table?
	Starting with you.
	Like emotional support, advice on what I think my boyfriend should do with his career moves.
	Like, you know, just being, I think, like emotionally and spiritually there for him while he is making a lot of the decisions financially or just like household wise Do you want to add?
	You said funny, successful.
	What do you bring to the table?
	I think a lot, like what you're also saying, is that I do because I have a good sense of self and I have a good understanding of what men need.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	So on top of all of that.
	What do men need to do?
	I mean, they want support.
	They want a badass blowjob.
	And they don't.
	They want to feel desire.
	They want to feel valued.
	What about peace?
	Do they want peace?
	Peace, absolutely, 100%.
	Big.
	Big time.
	They want things easy.
	They don't want drama.
	Big.
	Okay.
	I would probably say stability.
	I don't know.
	like being stable and being able to count on myself so i think it'd be i think bringing that to the table would be like i'm not dependent on you for anything or i just feel like i can be myself while still in a relationship with someone else What about you?
	I'm a good listener, and so I can give good emotional support and friendship, companionship.
	I'm not very, like, high maintenance in relationships, I would say.
	And I'm pretty independent.
	I can do stuff on my own.
	And I don't feel like I need a man to survive.
	I just bring like a best friend, like companion, someone like you could be yourself around.
	You could, you know, I don't know, do anything and I'll still, I want to be a home for someone, you know?
	Yeah, I was going to say something along the lines of that, too.
	Friendship, companionship, a shoulder to cry on if you wanted to, and all of that.
	Maddie?
	I also feel like I'm a pretty good listener.
	I'm pretty calm.
	I'm not really combative.
	I feel like I'm a little more mature.
	I'm a good cook.
	And that's good.
	Good for you, Madison.
	That's good.
	That was beautiful.
	Good job.
	I think this would be a good time for the bow video.
	So this is what I think.
	This is what I think.
	Like, this is what a woman could bring to the table here.
	Like, this.
	The bow.
	Boom.
	Huge.
	Huge reverberation from Nick there.
	Boom.
	It was a double boom.
	Me and Nick.
	We killed it.
	The coordination on that is always fabulous.
	And look, she's running.
	Look, dinner's ready.
	I get home.
	That's my penthouse apartment.
	Get home from a long work day.
	She's got my beer ready, my noodles ready.
	My not even chopped up tomatoes ready.
	She's stirring the fucking.
	Look at that.
	Look at the technique.
	Boom.
	Attentive.
	Psycho-wise.
	Love it.
	Play it one more time.
	Boom.
	Huge bow.
	Look at the bow.
	Did you see the angle too?
	That's not like a poverty bow.
	She could have gone deeper, to be fair.
	Could have gone deeper, a little rude.
	She might need a little correcting later on.
	But nevertheless, good attempt.
	That was like a 70 degree?
	I don't know the degree.
	Whatever.
	It was a good bow.
	Would you guys bow to your men?
	Yes.
	Starting with you?
	Stay-at-home girlfriend, by the way?
	Stay-at-home girlfriend, would you do that for your men?
	All that shit?
	If it was like some weird thing he asked for, probably.
	I don't think I've ever been in a situation where I have to.
	But do you do that, like that sort of stuff for your men?
	Minus the bow and the like rushing to feed him?
	Yeah.
	Because you're stay-at-home girlfriend.
	Yeah.
	If he asked you to bow, would you do it?
	It'd probably be a joke.
	Yeah, I would.
	How come you don't rush to feed him?
	He's probably pretty hungry.
	Oh, I said like the stirring and everything.
	Yeah, I mean, but.
	No, he comes home to like cooked food, like actual like full meals.
	Y'all live together?
	Let me ask you this.
	Does he actually come home?
	Do you sync up the second he hits the door, the jacket's off of him, right?
	And then he sits down and right away there's a meal, or does he get home and there's like a two-hour delay before the meal hits?
	Both.
	Sometimes I like him doing stuff.
	Like recently I was helping out a lot at church, so I wasn't coming straight like all day to cook.
	But there are times where he comes home and invests.
	All day?
	Yeah.
	All day at the church that doesn't have a name.
	Yeah, well, how long does it take you to cook a meal?
	I mean, it depends on what you're making.
	But what are you making?
	I make a lot of stuff like fully from scratch, so it's just that takes a long process.
	And panadas?
	I don't know.
	But what do you mean from scratch?
	Like, you're not going out and killing people.
	You don't make champanadas?
	I don't make Hispanic food that much.
	What do you make?
	What do you make that takes the longest?
	What's the longest thing that you make?
	Probably, time-wise, like ratatouille, because it's a lot of prep.
	You're cutting everything.
	Okay, how long does it take you to make ratatouille?
	Prep-wise, probably like just an hour cutting everything up and making the sauce.
	And then you have to wait like an hour and a half for it in the oven while you're making like other sides or stuff.
	Well, if that's the longest meal, yeah, so I'm guessing that, well, you have to do the prep work and then you have to let it sit, right?
	So it's actually only about two hours of cook time, right?
	Gotta let the rat tattooie sit.
	I guess.
	You don't let it sit.
	But you only make every once in a while.
	What do you normally feed him?
	That takes so long to make.
	Bologna sandwich?
	Ew.
	No.
	You don't do bologna sandwich.
	Bologna's disgusting.
	This girl doesn't do bologna sandwich.
	What's he getting?
	What's it?
	Even last night, I made sandwiches just because we were like, we went to the gym and we were like, let me make a sandwich.
	You made a bunch of sandwiches.
	No, but they weren't no like regular sandwiches.
	It was like I made bacon.
	It was like nice bread.
	Crust cutter.
	Crust cutter?
	No, I don't.
	I didn't even use, I didn't even use crusted bread.
	I got like banguettes.
	We like cut them into banguettes.
	Baguettes.
	That's my.
	Baguette.
	Banguettes.
	Baguettes.
	Oh, baguette.
	Whatever.
	A baguette.
	Yes, that.
	So, you know, like I toasted all that and like toasted it?
	Yeah.
	On the grill, like on the pan.
	You didn't make him a panini?
	No.
	He doesn't like a panini?
	It's around.
	I don't have a panini maker.
	You don't have a panini maker.
	No.
	What's wrong with you?
	It's on our registration.
	How dare you not have a wedding maker?
	And how long would you say it took you to make these sandwiches?
	About 20 minutes?
	Like 30, yeah.
	Because like everything.
	Yeah, but like 30 minutes.
	Yeah.
	You can't sync up the dinner for right when he hits the door.
	We both were at the gym together and then I came home and I made it.
	So, you know.
	Okay.
	Well, let's get everybody's answer, I guess.
	What do you think about the bowing video?
	You like it?
	No.
	You'll like it?
	I mean, I think culturally, yeah, Asian women bow to their men, but Talking like middle fucking Montana white guy, white chick, she's gotta hit a bow.
	No, because there's other ways you show respect culturally than a bow.
	But let's say, as somebody who is a citizen of the world and has access to a phone, I see that video as a white boy and I'm like, damn, that's good.
	I like it.
	And I'm like, I'd like my girl to bow.
	I'd like her to bow.
	I like that.
	For it or against?
	I'm not for it.
	So if you and me were dating, even though you'd be settling for me, of course.
	Would you hit a bow?
	Again, I will do if it makes you happy.
	Yes, I would do that for you.
	Okay, all right, if that makes you happy, for sure.
	Because I will submit.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Good to know.
	What about you?
	I thought it was a pretty funny video, but yeah, if it was for like, I don't know, joking purposes, yeah, I'd do it.
	No, dead serious purposes.
	Sure, why not?
	Dead serious.
	Sure, why not?
	Why not?
	Whatever he wants.
	Any girls want to.
	Okay, okay.
	What about you?
	Would you hit a bow for a man?
	No.
	No.
	Just no.
	Damn, that's crazy.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	I would for like my current man.
	Your current man.
	Only you.
	White guy?
	I do.
	He's like, he makes me want to bow.
	Like, I'll bow every time if he needs me to bow.
	Would you bow for a man?
	On command.
	What?
	Oh, Madison?
	Yeah.
	Damn.
	So no circumstances.
	Like, this is the best guy ever.
	This is the best guy ever.
	I'm just thinking, like, like you said, two white people in the middle of Montana.
	That just sounds like a kink to me.
	Like, I'm not going to, I don't know.
	I don't know.
	That just made me think of that.
	I just wouldn't do it.
	Iggy Azalea song.
	Did that occur to anybody else?
	I don't even know.
	What's that song by Iggy Azalea?
	Black Widow?
	Work.
	Yeah, Welcome My.
	I found these Lou Bitsons.
	That one.
	Oh, that one.
	I know that one, but that does not make me think about it.
	16.
	Middle Miami.
	16, no family.
	Wait, how's it fucking off?
	I can't remember.
	No money, no family.
	16 in the middle of Miami.
	I don't know why the fuck that comes in.
	No money, no, no bad.
	I'm not derailing my own podcast with a fucking 10-year-old song reference.
	You wouldn't do it?
	Into the mic.
	No.
	Best guy ever.
	Would you, if that guy who dumped you for your sin, if he was like, I'll take you back, but you gotta fucking battle.
	Oh, girl!
	There you go.
	You do it?
	We're like locked in.
	Like, he just on a break, basically.
	Oh, yeah, okay.
	He'll come back.
	He'll come back.
	Bro, he was on a date the day after y'all break.
	I know, guys, he's on Tinder and he's 18.
	Like, get a life.
	Bro, he's.
	He just graduated hospitality.
	You might have been the side chick.
	Don't even say that because I feel like I was.
	Oh, my God.
	It's over.
	No, because.
	But you would.
	Wait, just to be clear, like, normal guy wouldn't do that shit, but the dude, like, this dude who dumped you.
	Like, how hot was it this guy?
	I don't even know.
	It was just like.
	She's in love.
	Are you in love?
	Did you love him?
	Just to love him?
	Could you picture me?
	Y'all were dating for four months and y'all in love?
	Can I picture having this kid and raising kids with him?
	I could.
	He's like, I have like no hate in my heart for him.
	He's a very, very good person.
	I just like, I think he, honestly, I do think he over, like, I know I shouldn't have lied, but like, I do think he overreacted a little bit.
	Take the L, bro.
	You got to take the L on this.
	I am.
	I am.
	Like, I know I'm in the wrong.
	But, like.
	Wait, girls dump dudes all the time for any fucking reason.
	But we get back to them.
	I don't know.
	Like, he's a good person.
	I have no, he's, like, a very, like, family man, like, very, like.
	He's just, he's a good person.
	I have no hate in my heart for him, and I hope the best for him, you know?
	Like, and if we get back together, it's a dub.
	If we don't, okay.
	Yo, what's if he's watching this shit?
	Yo, will you take her back if she does a bow?
	Wait, how much more besides a bow would you do to get him back?
	Like, would you, would you kiss his feet?
	Oh, no, that's just like he's standing and you're like, Okay, what up?
	Killer of cereal donated to the camera.
	Yo, what's up, killer of cereal?
	So, what do you expect the man to bring to the table?
	That's a good question.
	If the amount required exceeds the man's need for a boat, that's unequaled.
	Just act like you tripped or something.
	You can bow, I promise.
	I would bow.
	I just like, I wouldn't, like, like it would take me.
	I just think it's weird.
	Like, no, no, because that's not weird.
	That's just normal.
	No, like, if I walked into my roommate and bowed to her, she would be like, What are you doing?
	Yeah, are you trying to like fuck your roommate?
	Okay, next time I go on a jump, I'll bow to them.
	Bro, no, no, no.
	I'm not a goalie.
	No, I'm not.
	It's only goalies.
	It's only goalies.
	Or like defenders.
	Forwards.
	You ever played softball?
	I'm a forward.
	Okay.
	Softball.
	Softball.
	Any softball?
	Nope.
	Okay.
	Can't hit a ball.
	Catchers most of the time.
	Catchers.
	I played softball.
	Well, like third base.
	Yeah, third base.
	Or all fielders.
	Yeah.
	Yep.
	Yeah.
	Third base.
	I just think with the whole bow thing, like if you wouldn't do it, I never got that because a girl, I say it every show with this bow thing.
	You will let a guy blast on your face, but you won't bow for him?
	Oh, I don't think I even would do that.
	I just sounds like nasty.
	I don't know.
	This sounds nasty.
	I just like talk for your speaker yourself.
	Okay.
	Oh, I was talking to her over here.
	I'm talking to you.
	Oh, my God.
	Crickets.
	Yeah.
	What?
	What?
	Girls don't do that?
	Girls don't suck dick on the first date?
	No, what?
	Girls don't suck dick on the first date.
	Girls don't have sex on the first date?
	No.
	You'll let a man put his penis inside you, but you can't do a bow?
	Huh?
	No.
	All right.
	Can't get through to them.
	Can't get through to them.
	I don't know.
	That's about man.
	I don't know if that's a good one.
	She got it.
	She got it on luck.
	A girl will S a dude's D in the SIG Ep public bathroom within 30 minutes after fucking jello shots, and he's been sweating into his khakis all fucking day, but you can't hit a bow.
	You can't hit a bow.
	Sorry, it's sparries.
	What's it called what the fucking frat boys wear?
	Not khakis sparries, Kikis sparries or shoes.
	Oh, what are the shorts called that the fucking frat boys wear?
	They wear a lot of Nikes.
	No, the shorts, or the fucking pants or whatever.
	Well, they wear Jordan George shorts and Nikes with high socks.
	Anyways whatever, what was?
	What was his question?
	Oh, killer of cereal.
	Before we do that though, Tim Pool says, question for the panel, Trump a Harris.
	And sorry, i'm trying to do a Christopher walk in, but it's just coming out this fucking Italian.
	Okay uh, Trump or Harris.
	So raise your hand if you're voting for Trump, and then raise your hand if you're voting for Harris.
	Who's raise your hand if you're voting for Camela?
	Camelot, Harris.
	Raise, raise your hand if you're voting for Camelot Terris.
	nobody Nobody you're a fucking liar!
	You're a fucking liar!
	Nobody's voting for Camelot Kemela, Kemalot.
	Isn't that her name?
	Kemalt?
	Harris?
	Kamala.
	Yes.
	Kamala.
	Are you voting Kamala?
	Me?
	Yeah.
	I don't even think I'm aware.
	You're a Trumpy.
	You're a big like Trumpy then.
	I wouldn't call myself into the mic?
	wouldn't call myself a Trumpy but I also just think I'm like like I didn't really pay attention to the selection I I just turned 18.
	Like, I don't see myself fit to vote.
	You don't want to vote for what could be the first woman president?
	You don't want your name on?
	I just don't think, like.
	Wait, is it like weird if I say it on this?
	Just say it.
	I just don't think she's a strong candidate.
	Valid.
	Mic drop.
	So you're like Kanye?
	Yeah, Kanye 24.
	Oh, wait, he's actually anti-whatever.
	Okay, who's voting for Trump?
	I don't know.
	He's funny.
	He is funny.
	I will give him that.
	He wants tax tips.
	Okay.
	So going back to this one.
	Killer of cereal donated $200.
	So what do you expect the man to bring to the table?
	If the amount required exceeds the man's need for a boat, that's unequal.
	Just act like you tripped or something.
	You can bow.
	I promise.
	So for me, like, I don't know.
	I like watch my parents be 50-50 in a relationship.
	So that's how I would be in a relationship.
	And I don't like, like, I don't mind being 50-50.
	Like, I would bow.
	I just think it's like weird.
	Like, I would ask them why they want me to bow.
	You know, like, is it like, do you feel like you need to be like, have authority over me?
	Like, if I'm your wife, yeah, probably.
	That's why you would ask it.
	But like, why, like, in the form of a bow, you know?
	Because, well, let me ask you a different segue because this is cultural, right?
	What if he asked you to curtsy?
	I used to practice curtsying when I was like six because I thought I was related to the Queen of England.
	Can we see it?
	Yeah, yeah.
	Show us your curtsy.
	Show us the curtsy.
	No, I like, I don't even know if I know how to curtsy.
	Like, you know how to be honest.
	You still remember that shit.
	It's literally.
	She's going to do it.
	There you go.
	Let's see the curtsy.
	I can't even.
	I didn't realize this was like a full body back here.
	Yeah, that's a human.
	You just like.
	I don't know.
	I mean, it's not great, but not terrible.
	I'm not royalty.
	Okay, guys, I'll get better.
	Yeah, not terrible.
	But the thing is, if he asked you to curtsy, would that be a problem?
	No, because I think it's funny.
	Like, I wouldn't.
	But what if he's asking you to curtsy because he saw it as a sign of respect?
	I just, like, I don't know.
	It's just, like, weird that, like, you want respect and authority in that way to me.
	Like, I feel like there are so many other ways you can feel respected as, like, a husband or as a partner.
	And I just think.
	Okay, what?
	What are those ways?
	Okay, so, like, I just think, like, like, basic, like, respect, like, you do it.
	Okay, this is going to sound really weird, but like, for the most part, you do what you're told if you're asked to do like the dishes, just do the dishes or like curtsying.
	Like, would you curtsy to a girl?
	Or bow?
	No.
	Like, then why wouldn't you?
	If that's how I wanted to be shown respect, why wouldn't you curtsy or bow to me?
	Well, because I believe in the concept of patriarchy in the concept of hierarchy within patriarchy.
	And I don't think that anybody who believes in the concept of patriarchy would accept that they would need to bow or curtsy to a woman.
	So is it like a sex thing, like gender?
	Well, no, I think that a woman asking a man to bow to them would be the opposite of a sign of respect.
	So I think that that would be disrespectful to a man to even ask him to bow, whereas to a woman, would not have the same effect.
	That's like that's an interesting take.
	I'm like bad at arguing and I know that you would like to know in this culture, in the U.S. culture, bowing's not really a thing, but curtsying and things like that used to be a thing.
	Yeah.
	So in Asian cultures, it's still a thing for even for men to bow to each other as a sign of respect, this type of thing.
	So I understand the foreign aspect of it.
	It's just kind of weird because it's foreign.
	It's not something that's done very often.
	I get that.
	But curtsying still is.
	I don't think it's right.
	Let me ask you this.
	What is the male version of curtsying?
	I don't know.
	You'd have to tell me that.
	Yeah, there isn't one, right?
	But there isn't one because patriarchy exists and should exist, and that's how women show respect to men.
	Men don't show respect to women that way.
	I think they show respect to women by building the very infrastructure that they walk on.
	That's how they show respect.
	She said opening doors, and I agree with that.
	That's like the closest thing to a man showing respect is like opening all your doors.
	I like, I've told you.
	Yeah, but I mean, men will often, if there's an elderly man walking, for instance, they'll open a door for them as well.
	So the thing is, I'm not sure that I would say that that's the equivalency for personal exchange, right?
	So in a personal way, like the curtsy is.
	It's a way for a woman to show respect to a man or a way for her to present herself to a man in a respectful manner.
	I can't actually think of the equivalent for a man.
	I mean, you have a point, yeah.
	It's just something I wouldn't do like personally.
	Like, again, like, if N comes to N, like, I would do it, but, like, I wouldn't want it to be, like, I just don't think it should.
	I don't know.
	You're really good at arguing, and I suck at it, and I really don't want to.
	Well, I'm not really arguing with you.
	I'm just kind of at this point.
	I'm just trying to kind of get your rational worldview a little bit.
	You teach people how to argue, and you're going to say you're not good at arguing?
	No, he's not.
	I didn't say that.
	I just said I'm not arguing with you.
	Oh, okay, good.
	You just have some concepts.
	I'm just listening to kind of your worldview.
	So I just kind of want to understand where you're coming from.
	So, like.
	Final thing on this, though, and then I'm moving it on.
	That can be the final thing.
	It's chill.
	Oh.
	I'll be done here.
	Okay.
	Totally fine.
	So, going back, past shouldn't matter.
	I think you said that.
	What did you mean by that?
	Yeah, past shouldn't matter.
	I mean, my boyfriend knows about everything like the sex work stuff.
	Yeah, he knows about all of that.
	It shouldn't matter, though.
	Yeah, and it doesn't matter to him because I'm not currently in that role of my life anymore.
	So going around the table, do you think that the past should matter?
	Yes.
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	Yes.
	No.
	I think we missed that, but one more time.
	No.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	That shouldn't matter.
	Past shouldn't matter.
	Like, yes and no.
	Like, you shouldn't repeat mistakes.
	You also should try and be in the present if you want to be happy anyway.
	Now, on this, this often comes up when it comes to discourse on body count.
	So men, I suppose both, well, both men and women can have a preference on this, but men typically tend to have a stronger preference for lack of current or past promiscuity and a low body count, or even desiring virgins, for example.
	This is sometimes found in women, but to a far lesser degree.
	Do you think men should not, the past shouldn't matter when it comes to somebody's sexual past?
	So the people they, the amount of people they previously had sex with.
	How about that one?
	Starting with you.
	Yeah.
	Shouldn't it matter?
	Okay.
	It doesn't matter to me.
	I don't ask, though.
	So do you think, for example, if a man didn't want to date you or another woman because of her sexual past, would you find that perhaps either immature or insecure?
	Or would you otherwise take objection to it insecurity?
	I can understand why he would why it would matter to him.
	Sure.
	Is he insecure?
	Is he immature?
	Should it not matter?
	I don't think.
	I think if it did matter to him, it might be because of some either cultural or religious view of some kind.
	I don't find him to be immature or what did you say?
	What was the other one?
	Immature.
	Insecure.
	Or insecure.
	Maybe insecure.
	Maybe there could be a touch of insecurity there.
	What about you?
	I think that it should matter.
	100%.
	Like someone's sexual past.
	Like, yeah.
	Sure.
	What about you?
	I don't think it matters.
	I wouldn't judge someone if they have a high-pressure.
	So, sure, that's fine for you, but would you object if a man, it mattered to him?
	Yes.
	It's a double standard.
	Wait, how's it a double standard?
	Like, I feel like women sometimes don't mind if a guy has had multiple partners.
	Yeah.
	But then when you ask the man the same question, they want their woman to be virgins or have very few partners.
	Well, how would that be a double standard, though?
	Well, but before we even ask that, I just have to ask you a very quick question, Christy.
	Do you think that there are women who wear heels who are sexy?
	Not all women that wear heels look sexy.
	No, not all, of course, but you don't object to women wearing heels, right?
	Correct.
	Would you object to a man wearing heels?
	If I'm dating him, yes.
	Yeah, well, what kind of double standard is that?
	I want my man to be masculine.
	That's my personal preference.
	So then it's not a double standard when it comes down to preference, right?
	I guess so then well I think my understanding is that at least the way you framed it originally you said women don't care about this men do I don't know if that's the double standard, that isn't a double standard.
	That's just a difference in what men and women want.
	I think maybe what you were getting at here, maybe, is that, well, if the guy has a high body count, but he wants a woman who's got a low body count or is a virgin, that's the double standard.
	Is that?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	Does it matter?
	From what I heard from what she said, I agree with that.
	I think it matters, but I wouldn't judge someone based off of it, and I wouldn't want to be judged based off of it unless you have like an STD.
	Then I would question what you're getting.
	Let's say the woman was clean, but she had a body count of 50.
	And even if she was totally clean, she could prove it.
	But she had a body count of 50.
	That alone disqualified her from a guy.
	Would you object to that?
	From the guy's perspective or from like an outsider?
	Both.
	From the guy's perspective, I wouldn't want to be judged on it, so I wouldn't judge somebody else on it.
	And because like, and then from my perspective, from an outsider's perspective, I like same thing.
	I just like, I don't want to be judged.
	I don't want people to like judge me, so I'm not going to throw like shade where it's not my place.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	I think it does matter just because like that just means like if they have a high body count, they're easy.
	Like they're for everybody.
	For the streets?
	Yeah.
	She belongs to the streets.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	I think the past does matter.
	I think we can use it to see what kind of patterns have been in place before.
	And you can use like good your judgment to judge someone based off of their past.
	And if they like are repeat offender with the same bad mistakes, then don't be with them.
	If it's just a mistake though and it's happened like once or twice, I don't think they should be scrutinized for it.
	Yeah, I don't mind it mattering.
	It matters to me.
	Okay.
	So going around the table really quick.
	If past doesn't matter, shouldn't matter, what's your body count?
	If I'm being generous, like six.
	What if you're being greedy?
	What do you mean?
	What?
	Well, I mean by like if I'm being generous because I can think of like people I like completely remember but I also like lost my virginity when 13.
	So like I know that I've had sex with like for sure like these four people and there's like two people I probably don't remember their names because I was like so young.
	Well we don't need their names we just okay then six yeah six six okay um less than 20 but I can't put a number on it because less than 20?
	Yeah I'm just kind of going based on before I was in a relationship and then now more than 15 maybe 15.
	Wait, how many of the, how many of these from, like the past, since the split?
	Oh, from from my year and a half?
	Yeah, like three okay, what about you?
	I'm at five five, zero.
	Oh, it just turned six.
	I'm gonna decline answering that, but I will say that it's very low.
	Okay, everyone knows mine.
	Okay zero yeah oh okay, are you waiting until marriage or uh yeah okay, I. I'm just like, it's just my belief.
	Well, congratulations.
	Thanks.
	I support that 1,000% and hope you stick to it.
	Are you religious at all?
	Yeah.
	Christian?
	Yeah.
	Oh, okay.
	And but I'm a little confused because you said you wouldn't want somebody to judge you for that.
	Well, like, I don't.
	Like, I don't have a body count.
	But, like, if I were like that, I wouldn't want to be judged off.
	Because I, listen to Sony, but I have friends who get around.
	I don't judge them for it.
	No, but don't we need good, virtuous women to judge these heathens?
	It's like, this is going to sound like really bad.
	We need virtuous women to.
	I rebuke!
	I rebuke!
	Sorry, that was fucking loud, so I guess.
	I just don't think like judgment isn't mine.
	Like, it's God's.
	And, like, I think that, like, I can, like, direct people and help people and, like, talk to God about people talk to God.
	Wait, do you think hookup culture is bad?
	It's not for me.
	Do you think it's bad?
	I don't think it's bad, but it's not.
	You don't think it's bad?
	Let me ask you.
	Okay, okay, wait, Let me, can I, like, say my idea of hookup culture?
	Sure.
	Like, hookup culture to me is like making out with somebody.
	Like, okay, but what about like all the casual sex that's casual?
	Like one that stands.
	Is it bad?
	I don't know.
	I don't like have like, I don't.
	Wait, okay, let me ask you a very simple question.
	I don't think there is a hookup culture.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Do you think that hookup culture makes it easier or more difficult for you to find a partner?
	I would say it makes it more difficult for me because like I'll be into somebody or something like that and like our morals won't align.
	Like they want to hook up.
	They want like something casual and it's just not something that like I want personally.
	And so like, and I feel like it's also like difficult to find people.
	Not difficult, but it is challenging, I guess, to find people who have like similar morals.
	Which like back to that guy that I was dating, that's like why it was like so easy and I would take him out because we do for the most part have similar morals.
	Sure.
	Besides me lying, but whatever.
	Does that make sense?
	But like I. Wait, one point of clarification.
	Are you waiting for marriage or are you waiting for the like the right guy who you think you'll most likely get married to?
	Marriage.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	Even like people I've dated who I thought I was gonna marry, like I didn't clearly I'm not married to them.
	So organ dating them.
	Right.
	Okay.
	Cool.
	Andrew, you had something.
	Yeah, I just wanted to quickly ask you if the reason that you're not engaging in sexual intercourse is because you believe that you will be judged by God, correct?
	I okay, so I think like, well, not I think.
	I know God is forgiving, but it's just like it's like biblical and I want forgiving you because he's making a judgment.
	Well, yeah, wait, what?
	Well, you have to make a judgment in order to forgive, right?
	I don't think you have to make a judgment to forgive.
	How could you forgive somebody absent a judgment?
	I guess I'm not really understanding that.
	Like, I'm a little slow, but like, I just don't understand.
	Yeah, sure.
	So she's an athlete.
	If you're going to forgive somebody, don't you have to judge them worthy of forgiveness?
	No, I think everybody's worthy of forgiveness.
	I mean, I'd like sin is in people make mistakes.
	I've made so many mistakes like in my today.
	Well, then what avoid sin if you're not worried about being judged for sin?
	Why I avoid it?
	Because I want to live a life that I believe is pleasing to God.
	And if that's how I do it, that's how I do it.
	Well, God would have to use judgment.
	God would have to use judgment in order to punish you for sin, right?
	And he'd have to use judgment in order to discern what is pleasing to him, right?
	I don't think I have a place to judge, though.
	Do I say that?
	Yeah, but I'm not asking if you do.
	I'm asking if God will judge you.
	Yeah, he will.
	And is that why you avoid sin?
	Yeah.
	So then I got to ask you: is God going to judge people who sin?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Did I not say that?
	And if, but if you know that God is going to judge people who sin, can you point out the sins of these people who God's going to judge?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Have you ever, because I don't know, you're talking about Jesus earlier.
	That verse is like about hypocrisy.
	Like you're pointing out the speck in someone else's eye when you have a log in your own.
	Yeah, what this is referring to is if you're going to judge the behavior of somebody else, be prepared to be judged by the same standard.
	Yeah.
	Which I think that that's fine, that you should be judged by the same standard by which you judge others' behavior.
	But that doesn't mean that you should not use discernment righteous judgment in your life for what's going on, right?
	That would be absurd.
	Otherwise, how would you even determine what is sinful?
	And how would you steer people away from what is sinful if you had no judgment?
	Like, how could you even do that?
	Yeah.
	Could you?
	Could you even steer a person away from sin if you couldn't judge that it was sin?
	No.
	No.
	So then if you know what's sin, you are judging.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	Like, I know sin is sin and like I know what is a sin and what's not, but like, I just don't want to judge people.
	Like, maybe in my mind.
	But you are.
	But you are judging people, is what I'm saying.
	Yeah, like it or not, you can use what's called righteous judgment.
	You actually should judge.
	Otherwise, how can you determine that you yourself should not have sex before marriage?
	Obviously, it would be fun, right?
	You can have a good time, but you're avoiding it for a reason.
	Right?
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	So the thing is, is like, why would it not be okay for you to apply that standard to other people?
	That's what I don't understand.
	That's a good question.
	I don't know.
	Okay.
	All right.
	I was just curious.
	I'm going to force things on other people.
	Like, I have my morals and beliefs, and I like respect other people's.
	Doesn't mean like they're necessarily in line with mine, but I do like respect them.
	And I can't.
	I also like, I literally can't influence, or like, even if I say something to someone, like, you know, I'm just putting it out there.
	This is my opinion of what this should be.
	And that's all I can say.
	Like, my opinion is just my opinion.
	Do you think it's mean to judge?
	I think everybody does it.
	Do I think it's mean?
	Sometimes.
	Like, sometimes I'll be judging someone and I'll be like, wow, that was so mean.
	I thought you didn't judge people.
	Okay, well, no.
	Maybe.
	I don't know.
	I'm low-key contradicting myself.
	I know.
	I'm like nervous, guys.
	Okay.
	No, no, no.
	It's no problem.
	We're just having a good conversation here, right?
	But I'm just saying to you, I wonder how much of it's cultural and how much of it is actually you and how much you don't judge.
	Because I think you do judge, right?
	No, yeah.
	Because maybe it's cultural taboo to not sound mean, right?
	Kind of quote-unquote mean.
	Do you mean like cultural, like, or religious?
	Like, well, I think it's cultural inside of the current culture, modernity in the United States, anyway, to not point out kind of bad behavior because it sounds mean.
	I agree with that.
	Okay, personally, with like my friends and I, like, we are all like very blunt with each other and we keep each other like crazy, not crazy in line, but in line.
	Like when we're in the wrong, I've had friends who have been like, you're being a horrible person right now.
	And I've like said vice versa to them.
	You know, I mean, you know that that's becoming increasingly rare, right?
	Yeah, I do.
	Yeah.
	I like, I just, I don't know.
	I like just like value my friendship.
	Or not, okay, not to say like people don't value their friendships, but like I want to be the best version of myself and like being around people like who like bring me down.
	Like, you know, they bring me down.
	I want to be around people who like uplift me and make me a better version of myself because at the end of the day, I have so many goals for myself and I want them to be achieved.
	Well, can I ask you a question to expand on this?
	This is the idea.
	Have you noticed that there's this thing which happens with many women where after they have lost their virginity or they slept with multiple people, they begin to recommend to other women that they do the same thing.
	Have you experienced that?
	I've experienced the opposite.
	I know like friends and mentors who have said to me, they're like, I lost my virginity before marriage and I regret it.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Going to Christy here.
	Christy, you said my unique dating stories include dating younger men who have mommy issues and want to be coddled.
	Do you want to expand on that?
	Well, after I separated from my husband, it was weird because I started getting hit on by younger guys, and I feel like they hit on me because they could sense that I was like, I guess, single.
	And I don't know if it's the whole MILF thing that they're like.
	You know, so I don't know if that's what it was, but basically when I did date the two younger guys after my separation, they both had mommy issues, like serious mommy issues.
	What does that mean?
	Well, they both had moms that abandoned them and left them at a very young age.
	And they were raised by aunts and grandmothers.
	So I felt like I was pretty much the one they were attracted to because I was an older woman and they wanted somewhat of a mommy, like to tell them what to do and stuff.
	How would you meet these guys?
	No dating apps at the time.
	I met one at brunch and the other one at the beach.
	And they'd come up to you and interesting.
	Okay.
	Yeah, so that was a common denominator was the whole mommy issue thing.
	And they both wanted to, they were both very needy men, wanted to always have my attention.
	And I felt like they saw me as not a sugar mama, but somebody that could take care of them.
	I actually don't really have anything for that.
	Okay, yeah.
	Really?
	No.
	Well, I don't, yeah.
	I mean, well, that phase in my life didn't last long at all because it wasn't for me.
	Dating younger is not for me.
	How many young guys did you date?
	Just two, more on the serious side, but I dated probably four.
	Like the other two was just like one or two dates, and that was it.
	But it wasn't like I was looking for younger men because that's not my type.
	It was like the men that were chasing me were of that younger age bracket.
	How much younger were they?
	So this was four years ago when I was 48.
	One was 28, 37, 23, and 25.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Well, to perhaps segue, Asia, you said you wanted to talk about gap relationships.
	Well, yeah, it's kind of just tied into just the I'm noticing because I do get the same I get hit on with a lot of younger guys.
	My tenure relationship, he was nine years younger than me also.
	Okay.
	Yeah, so yeah, I just think I wanted to talk about it.
	I don't have, like, I was in a gap relationship.
	It ultimately doesn't work out because you reach a crossroads where you both want different things and you have to figure that out.
	And ultimately, it doesn't work out.
	Well, he changed his mind about the kids.
	He originally said he didn't want kids and then he changed his mind and it built resentment.
	Okay.
	You also said that the trend of younger guys liking older women.
	Yeah, I think it's trending because of porn.
	I believe it because of the porn.
	I believe it's well, I mean, this has been always, I mean, what's that movie from the 70s?
	Mrs. Robinson.
	Oh, the graduate?
	The graduate.
	I mean, I feel like it's kind of, hasn't it always been a dream?
	Maybe, I guess it is every young guy's dream.
	Were you alive when that movie came out?
	What the fuck?
	I'm talking about kids.
	I'm just joining.
	I couldn't help myself.
	I couldn't help myself.
	Kidding.
	Is he talking to you or me?
	I don't even know what year that movie came in.
	I'll Google it.
	What year?
	I think I was a graduate.
	What year?
	I don't know.
	1967.
	Oh, 67.
	I thought it was the 70s.
	No, I'm not.
	No.
	No, I don't think we have anybody.
	Were you alive?
	Andrew's.
	No, I'm much, much younger than you.
	He's in the 80s.
	Yeah, like significantly younger.
	All right.
	Then.
	I mean, you can do that, right?
	But remember that I don't have the advantage of, you know, hours and hours of makeup.
	Wait, do you have to do that?
	I'll just point it out.
	I don't take hours to get wrong.
	I don't know if we touched on this.
	You said, I brought it up, but I don't know if maybe a TTS came in.
	You said, closer to what I want and what I deserve.
	And I asked you, what do you deserve?
	Did we?
	I think so.
	But I would like to be in a relationship with mutual admiration and respect for each other.
	Mutual?
	Like 50-50?
	Yeah, we, again, it's the balancing act of submission and praise, like putting the woman on a pedestal, treating her like a queen.
	Wait, that's mutual respect?
	It's biblical.
	That's what the Bible says, right?
	Treating a woman like a princess and like a queen.
	Yeah, and as well, that's why the woman submitted to the patient.
	I think you got to treat a woman like the court jester.
	Like you're the king.
	All right, come over.
	I need some entertainment.
	Come here for a few hours.
	I dismiss you.
	Be gone.
	No, you don't.
	You do not think that.
	I am kidding.
	So there was a lot of disrespect in that relationship.
	So that's what I'm saying.
	It's like, I just, I'm setting my boundaries and learning what I want.
	And that's what the 21 Dates was all about.
	It was trying to figure out what I wanted.
	Wait, but so should women, all women, be treated like queens and princesses?
	Sprinkle.
	Was it drink?
	Sprinkle, sprinkle or whatever?
	Sprinkle drinks.
	Drizzle drizzle?
	Should all women be treated like queens?
	I think they should be respected.
	No, should they all be treated like queens?
	My definition of a queen is being respected.
	If they deserve it.
	Because I feel like princess treatment means something kind of specific.
	Okay.
	Or like queen princess treatment.
	I don't know.
	I just don't like the whole like royal thing.
	Huh?
	Like, he's my king.
	She's my queen.
	Nah, y'all, everybody, y'all, everybody's a peasant.
	You don't like that?
	We're all peasants.
	We're the serfs, and we're intermingling among the serfs.
	We are the serfs.
	The peasantry.
	Of who?
	Maybe some of us maybe get, you know, some of us might become a lord.
	Fuck that.
	I'm a king.
	You don't want to be treated like a king?
	No, sure, but like, we're all peasants, bro.
	We're all peasants.
	No, you think.
	No, but peasants can date other peasants.
	You just.
	You know what I mean?
	I got a Burger King crown next to me in everything, Brian.
	You can't take my kingship away, sir.
	Hold on, bro.
	Hold on.
	Get rekt, Andrew.
	Destroyed your argument.
	Backed the fucked off or whatever.
	BTFO'd.
	Destroyed his argument.
	Who's the debate?
	DebateUniversity.com, boys, debateuniversity.com.
	The course brought to you by Brian Atlas.
	Andrew had no involvement whatsoever.
	DebateUniversity.
	Well, I held the camera in the corner.
	Yeah.
	All the words, Andrew was reading from a teleprompter.
	Everything he fucking said was a script devised by me.
	So what were we talking about?
	Peasantry?
	I don't.
	You said you're a peasant.
	My chat's giving me L's, Brian.
	They're giving me a lot of L's, Brian.
	They're giving me a lot of L's here.
	W the Crucible chat.
	W the Crucible chat.
	Keep spamming L's, boys.
	Anyways, whatever.
	What was I saying?
	You're a peasant.
	Yeah, you grew up with me.
	I think we're just all peasants.
	I don't know.
	These girls deserve princess treatment.
	I'm a queen.
	So if your girl called you a peasant, you'd be like, yeah, I'm a peasant, so are you?
	I'd be like, S this peasant D.
	No, I'm just kidding.
	No, I'm kidding.
	I'm kidding.
	Are you?
	I'm kidding.
	I'm sure he is.
	I'm kidding.
	But, yeah, we're all, I don't know.
	I don't like this whole like, oh, I'm the king.
	She's the queen.
	At best, at best, a lot of these women, they're court jesters at best.
	At best, court jesters.
	I think my mad thinks I'm a queen.
	There's levels to couples.
	He can be in a peasant couple or you can be in a royal couple.
	Anyways, I don't know where I'm going with this whole thing.
	I just, I think we need to take heraldry very importantly.
	Heraldry?
	What the fuck?
	We need to take very important.
	Like, do any of you have a fucking yeah, heraldry.
	Do any of you have heraldry?
	You got the fucking family crest or some shit?
	Huh?
	Where's the family crest?
	You got a fucking...
	Huh?
	I actually do on my dad's side.
	She's got a crest.
	I'm literally like Spanish.
	I thought I was.
	I have a family crest, Brian.
	The Wilson family crest.
	I love her.
	Yeah, I feel like I have one too.
	Son of Will.
	Crested.
	This is a long-standing, by the way, Irish English name, Wilson, just so you know.
	And I do have, I even have a family motto to go with the crest, Brian.
	What is it?
	He who conquers conquers himself.
	Sorry, go ahead.
	I'm sorry.
	I'm sorry.
	Go ahead.
	He who conquers conquers himself, Brian.
	That's the family motto.
	It goes right along with the crest.
	I like it.
	Okay.
	How did we get here?
	I was asking about you, what you deserve.
	I don't know.
	I'm coping a little bit.
	That's how we got here.
	No, what about the.
	I just want respect in a relationship.
	But you said you wanted to.
	But I want to give it.
	Me too.
	But you said it was a mutual thing.
	Yeah, mutual admiration and respect for each other.
	You got to start paying for dates, son.
	Ah, too slow.
	Fuck.
	Okay.
	The men I go out with don't want me to pay for dates.
	You know what I think you should do?
	I think you should take me, Nick, Desmond, and Austin on a date after this and pay for our in-and-out.
	Oh, and no skin made of that.
	I'm hungry.
	Okay, though.
	You can think whatever you want.
	You got to start paying for dates.
	I thought it was mutual.
	You said mutual admiration.
	Got to crack open that wallet.
	Crack open that purse.
	Got to start paying for some dates.
	Nope.
	You want a man?
	You want a real man?
	You got to start splitting that shit.
	50-50.
	Dry me up.
	That dries yourself.
	Dries your vagines.
	Yeah.
	Your Vagin drives you up.
	Dry me up.
	If you're going to start breaking out spreadsheets and expecting 50-50 treatment with the money.
	Dries up the pussy.
	Dries me up.
	What's the equivalent for a guy?
	Boner killer.
	What's a.
	I'm going to pretend like you didn't just make my dick go soft.
	Yeah.
	Like, what is that?
	Like, what's that for a woman?
	You know?
	What I just said.
	Yeah, but like, what is that?
	It's like, what would that be?
	Just the egg.
	I don't know.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Chat, help.
	Okay.
	Let's see.
	We have.
	Oh, did you have the photos?
	Did you send them to Instagram?
	You couldn't find them?
	I found one of me at 18, but I.
	We can pull it up.
	We'll pull it up.
	18, right?
	I can't find the what.
	How about just the 18 one?
	You want to see the one that I was 18?
	Okay.
	Okay, I'll read chats while you guys are figuring that out.
	We have practice gentlemen.
	Could an equivalent to a woman, Maddie?
	Look, I felt like I looked like a bull.
	Could an equivalent to a woman bowing to a man be a man taking the woman by the hand and kissing it, standing up when a woman leaves the room or tilting your hat?
	When/slash why did those stop being a thing?
	Yeah, so well, just to the kissing a hand, that was also actually done mostly towards men.
	So that was a sign of respect.
	And you've probably heard the saying a million times: kiss the ring.
	That's what that means, kissing the ring.
	Kissing the ring.
	So that was actually more towards men than it was towards women.
	So do you have a few?
	You have a few photos?
	You have a few photos.
	Here's me as in great school.
	You got to send it to our Instagram.
	And we don't want to see your chilled child photos.
	Well, that was a big dork is what I'm trying to show you.
	You can show us 18 and over.
	Yeah.
	See Matti or when you're an adult.
	18 and over.
	Where am I supposed to send it to you?
	Oh, to whatever Instagram would be perfect if you can.
	While we're doing that, we have some more notes here from Lori.
	Lori, sugar daddy I never slept with, was engaged for two years to him.
	Oh, you were engaged to him for two years?
	Yeah, we already talked about that.
	No, I know it.
	Oh, yeah.
	I didn't know you were engaged for the whole two years, though.
	He asked me to marry him on the third date because I didn't want to do anything with him.
	Did he give you a ring?
	Not till like the fifth time I saw him.
	So the fifth date?
	But he just did that.
	Did you give the ring back?
	He wouldn't take it back.
	He wouldn't take anything back.
	Come on, bro.
	I want to make sure.
	Mutual.
	One thing.
	Wait, wait, wait.
	I want to make sure I do this comment justice because it was $200.
	And I do say this often.
	What it means is that's what it means.
	Wasn't that the same guy that said he'd rather have the 52-year-old than a 23-year-old?
	Isn't that the same guy?
	That was beautiful.
	It is interesting, though.
	Mutual respect, mutual respect, but I don't agree.
	If this motherfucker don't crack open his wallet, my pussy dry.
	Oh, no, I'm saying if you're asking me to split dinner.
	I'm mutual respect.
	Mutual respect.
	I think it's.
	Yeah, do other things.
	Doesn't seem very respectful.
	Yeah, you can pull it up, Nick.
	Is this you with the friend?
	Or is this high school?
	Yeah.
	Random chick.
	That's my friend in high school, Shelly.
	Wait, oh, this is in high school?
	Yeah.
	How old are you here?
	Like 18, maybe 17.
	I don't know.
	Can we get an 18 plus photo?
	But I was a big dork.
	Wait, just to be clear.
	I'm in the 20s.
	So just to be clear, you can't find in the 20s.
	So you're better looking now as compared to here?
	Yeah.
	I think I look like a big dork.
	Does somebody want to tell her?
	Why don't you tell me?
	You think men don't like dorky women?
	I have no idea.
	I don't think they do.
	I think they do.
	Do you not think men like dorky women?
	Dorky?
	You think they?
	Okay, if they had to pick between like a dorky woman and like a boss babe bitch, which you think they prefer?
	What do you mean by dorky, though?
	A little shy, a little awkward.
	Oh, I thought you meant like appearance-wise.
	Yeah, I think like weird and like more meek women.
	Would like that 18-year-old self think that you look better than her now?
	Like if you like, let's say you like she's you're her right now, and you're looking at you right now.
	Would she be like, oh yeah, like I'm gonna look better once I'm this old?
	Yeah.
	So you're looking at that, you're like, I never thought I was beautiful.
	I didn't.
	That's why I'm saying I think you guys underrated yourself because when I was that age, I did not find myself attractive.
	What changes do you think you have to yourself now that make you?
	I just think because I'm just older and I've grown into my own and I'm more confident now, that's what makes me feel more attractive.
	So if you had all of that when you were 18, do you think you would still be less attractive than you are now?
	If I had it all when I was 18, I probably would think I was attractive.
	And I probably wouldn't be.
	More attractive than now, though.
	Yes.
	I would have thought I was attractive at all.
	You don't have any other photos?
	Like 20s?
	Facebook?
	No, I was.
	Well.
	Facebook was not.
	What?
	What about my Facebook?
	Facebook was she saying Facebook.
	I do have a question here for you.
	This one comes in from my chat, and they've been asking this over and over.
	They just demand that I ask you this.
	What is it about you that you think is so great a man should turn over his entire wallet to you?
	I'm looking for a partner.
	I didn't say I want someone to turn over his entire wallet to me.
	And you're taking this out of context because I'm telling you that I've had to be a boss babe by choice because I don't have parents.
	I don't have anyone else.
	You had to be a boss babe by choice.
	I had to be a boss babe out of desperation, out of survival.
	Well, then that's not a choice.
	I had to survive.
	Okay.
	Well, I could have gone into drugs.
	I could have, you know, I've kind of, my life could have gone in a lot of different ways, but I pulled myself out of it and made a successful career.
	I raised an amazing son, and I've put him through school, and I'm still putting him through school, and I'm still providing for him.
	What's the thing?
	What was the thing that forced this necessity exactly?
	Because I don't have parents.
	They died for me.
	Yeah, but that means a lot of people who don't have parents, including a lot of women, don't end up becoming boss babes.
	What made you have to actually be a boss babe?
	Because I had to take care of my son.
	Yeah, why would that require being a boss?
	Well, what is a boss babe, first of all?
	What is that?
	A woman that's successful in her career.
	Strong, independent black woman that don't need nothing.
	That's it?
	Well, I mean, but that would include basically just any woman who has a job and is held in, right?
	Sure.
	Yeah, so, I mean, how's that being a boss babe?
	Yeah, but for someone to be able to survive on her own income and raise a kid in Los Angeles, that's pretty boss in my opinion.
	What makes that boss?
	Because I made it work and I didn't take money from anyone else.
	Yeah, I'm not sure.
	So let's back up a little bit.
	You're raising the kid by yourself.
	This is because you're financially.
	Okay, so his dad did help a little bit in high school, but financially, the burden has been on me.
	Okay, gotcha.
	But you've had joint custody, all of this?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	And he is a good father.
	He's a good father.
	He's just not financially, he wasn't a good provider.
	So this is, so my past is dictating what I want in the future.
	That's why I want a man that's a provider and a protector because I haven't had that.
	Yeah, no, you're trying to come at me like I'm a chick that wants a handout.
	And that's not it at all.
	Wait, you have had a provider.
	Well, okay.
	No, I didn't.
	No one provided for me.
	You went on a dinner date that cost like $3,000.
	He's not paying my bills.
	Wait, I mean, that hey.
	Taking me out to dinner.
	Something is in it for him because he's enjoying the dinner also.
	He's not paying my bills.
	He's not my provider.
	Wait, what's in it for him?
	Oh, he loved it.
	He loved companionship.
	He says to this day it's his best friend.
	He gets that and you get that.
	Yeah.
	But him paying for the dinner is one-directional.
	That's his choice.
	He's also.
	Wait, is that your expectation?
	You want to meet a guy who's willing to be a provider?
	Yeah.
	You want to meet a guy to pay for your bills?
	Yeah.
	I mean, share in the responsibility with me so it's not all on my shoulders.
	Share in the responsibility with me.
	So what, Brian?
	90%, 10%?
	I don't know what the percentage is, but we would mutually figure it out based on our goals.
	It's going to at least be 50%.
	Based on our goals.
	Yeah, so it's at least going to be 50%.
	At least.
	Why would you say that?
	What's at least what you?
	Well, I mean, you say, I don't know what the percentage is of how much it is that I expect this guy to contribute who I want to take care of me, but it's at least going to be half, right?
	Oh, yeah, I would say so.
	Yeah, so I mean, if it's at least going to be 50%, then he's taking 50% of the financial burden off of you.
	So that's why the question keeps on coming up.
	Well, what is it that you're bringing that's so great that should eliminate 50% of the financial burden that had nothing to do with this person who takes it off of you that you created for you?
	Well, because men of my generation feel like a man by providing for their woman.
	So you think that the thing that you bring to the table is that you're going to let them feel like a man?
	Sure.
	By providing for you.
	But also everything else that I bring to the table that you exactly everything I discussed earlier.
	Yeah, but you think that those compensate for the 50% that he brings to alleviate this financial burden that you want to get out from under?
	Because that seems to be like your main thing, right?
	I don't have a financial burden.
	It's not like I have thousands of dollars of debt.
	I have over 800 credits for you.
	Wait, wait, hang on.
	You said it's your primary motivation that you want a man to provide for you so that you don't have, quote, all of the burden on my shoulders.
	Yes, I want to feel like a woman.
	I want to be back into, I want to feel like a woman.
	Okay, so then if he's eliminating this burden off of your shoulders, it's the financial burden.
	It's also the emotional support.
	It's the partnership.
	It's having your sexy best friend.
	You said, and a quote, I want him to provide for me to take the burden off of my shoulders.
	So if he's providing, I want to feel provided for.
	He's handing you money.
	What is the burden he's taking off your shoulders?
	It's the financial burden.
	How could it be anything other than that?
	If that's the primary goal, the primary reasoning here is I want him to eliminate this burden.
	The burden is the financial burden, right?
	No, it's actually the burden of not having a partner my whole life at 52 years old.
	Okay, so are you going to marry a poor man you have to take care of?
	Sorry, there was a motorcycle.
	One more time, Andrew.
	Are you going to marry a poor man that you have to take care of?
	No, I already did that.
	Yeah, no.
	I already did that.
	So you want to marry a man who you said, quote, takes me to Europe and retires with me.
	Well, or I'll move to Europe and I'll meet a man out there.
	Yeah, sure.
	But you still want him to take the financial burden off your shoulders, right?
	I mean, clearly you don't want a poor man.
	I do not want a poor man.
	Yeah, so why don't you want a poor man?
	Because you want him to, quote, provide for you, correct?
	Because I've been taking care of everything my whole life.
	The financial burden of raising.
	Yes, the financial burden.
	You want him to take off the financial burden, right?
	Yes.
	And I'm, yeah.
	Yes.
	So if you want him to take off the financial burden, how much do you want at least half, right?
	Let's leave it.
	Yes.
	Okay, so if it's at least half of the financial burden that you want him to eliminate from your shoulders, they're just asking, all these people are just asking this question of what do you think compensates him for eliminating 50% of the financial burden that you have that he's not responsible for?
	It's not that.
	It's being living with somebody that it's not that I'm trying to give him half of my financial burden, but we're getting to the point of the budget.
	Yes, you are trying to give him half of your financial burden.
	Literally, you are trying to give him half of your financial burden.
	What are you talking about?
	How are you not?
	That's what you're saying you want to do is give him half at least of your financial burden.
	How are you not doing that?
	Okay, so what I think your listeners or your viewers are not understanding is I'm looking for a partner and I'm looking for somebody that has the same goals and the same lifestyle and that wants the same thing too.
	They want their best friend.
	They want their best friend to live this chapter of their life.
	But I'm just not going to let you quite get away with the pivot.
	How are you not trying to give this man 50% of your financial burden he's not actually responsible for currently, but in the future he will be based on your choices.
	You are.
	But isn't that what marriage is?
	Isn't that what I agree?
	I agree that it's okay for you to share your burdens with your partner.
	Fine.
	That's totally fair.
	I'm just trying to ask what your compensation for giving this guy 50% of the financial burden he's not responsible for currently is.
	What is the offset to that?
	That you think is worth it for a man take on at least 50% of whatever your current financial burden is?
	Well, because I'm going to be with a man that wants to be with me.
	And we have that same goal in mind because we are looking for that in life.
	I know what you're trying to get at, but and you're trying to make it something tangible and quantify it maybe in a dollar.
	Well, it is tangible.
	But it is.
	No, like love is not.
	It's something.
	Yeah, I think all of these attributes that you just stated are quantifiable.
	Yes, I think that the financial burden you come with is totally quantifiable.
	I think that the goals and expectations that you have, totally quantifiable.
	So yes, of course we're quantifying them because why wouldn't you?
	It's a risk assessment, right?
	So from my perspective, I would be looking at risk assessment.
	How much is 50% of your life worth?
	If it's X amount of this amount of money, then that's going to mean X amount of this amount of time for me.
	So if that's the case, I would still want some sort of offset for that.
	Now, if you were banking on religion, I would say, sure, absolutely.
	In a religious connotation, that's not going to matter as much.
	But you're not banking on religion.
	You said that you're just spiritual.
	So if this is simply transactional, either emotionally or financially transactional, then I would like to know what does he get for 50% of your debt and life?
	I'd like to know.
	He gets my undying love and attention and affection.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Okay.
	We have notes here from Lori.
	Lori, you said that you dated NBA players slash rappers?
	Yeah.
	Celtics.
	Huh?
	Celtics?
	Lakers?
	Celtics?
	Celtics.
	Did I say that shit wrong?
	That's embarrassing.
	L in the chat for Brian.
	Celtics.
	That's what they're called, right?
	It's Celtics.
	Celtics.
	Boston Celtics.
	Damn, that's rough.
	Team that they were on.
	Supersonics?
	No, neither of those teams.
	Supersonics.
	Is that even a real team?
	That's a team, isn't it?
	No.
	That's not a team?
	Is that not a team?
	I'm 90% sure it's not a team.
	The Supersonics?
	Am I?
	No, I'm like.
	Yeah.
	That's like a TV show or something.
	It sounds like.
	We're an American professional basketball team based in Seattle.
	Damn it.
	God, I'm old.
	When did they not be?
	Ice Cube.
	Today was a good day?
	Yeah.
	The Lakers beat the Supersonics.
	On the big fat Fanny pulled out the.
	Is that how that song goes?
	Yeah.
	I don't remember.
	Oh, my goodness.
	Okay.
	I have a question.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	So if.
	My opinion is that women look, women are more insecure, I guess, and seek security, and men are more lustful and, you know, seek like, you know, carnal knowledge.
	So then if women are looking for like a financially secure man, so what is like equally valuable if not sex, or even if it is sex, to a man?
	Does that make sense?
	Can you repeat that one more time?
	I'm so bad at explaining things.
	Okay.
	So if women are looking for financially secure men, what in exchange would be of equal value to a man if there's sex, then that's your answer.
	If it's not sex, then what is it?
	Thank you.
	I have a list.
	Hold up.
	Andrew maybe wants to chime in, and then I'll read my list.
	There's probably three big primary things that, at least I would say, from the Christian perspective that we would want.
	And I can't speak to the secular perspective too well because I think that they have different standards, but I think that they would generally kind of agree with this.
	I think that men essentially want peace in their home.
	They want their woman to anticipate their needs.
	This is a big one that people forget about all the time.
	The best way you can show a man respect is to understand and anticipate the things that he wants before he even knows that he wants them.
	And the way that that shows respect and the way that that shows that you love him is because if you can anticipate those things, he knows that you're paying attention to him very closely.
	So you're the focus.
	And then the third thing is you have to put him above your own needs and your own desires.
	And number three is the thing that I think women, at least in modernity, fail at the most.
	They want men to put them up on some kind of pedestal.
	So I've heard this explained this way: that women are trained from birth now how they deserve to be treated.
	And men are trained from birth how they're supposed to treat women.
	But nobody is trained from birth for how they're supposed to treat men.
	And this is a massive problem because the truth is, is that men know how to treat other men because we're in their company all the time, but women seem to fucking suck at it.
	And I don't think that that was always the case, but I think it's due to the standard of how it is that they think they deserve to be treated by men without ever adhering to the standard of how they think men deserve to be treated.
	Well put, Andrew.
	Well put.
	So your question is: if women are looking for X, Y, Z things, what are men looking for?
	Sure.
	Yeah.
	So, I mean, there's a looks component, but I mean, to bring it more so to the characteristics and traits that she's bringing, I would say the three biggest: one is peace, one is femininity, and then what's the best framing for this last one?
	I would say sexual purity.
	Those three things.
	So, if said woman was to bring those things, either of your guys' things, then would that justify a man being like financially supporting the woman in the way that she would ideally want if it's not like extremely important?
	Well, I mean, I can speak from my experience that that's exactly what I did.
	And I took on what would be considered to be extreme burdens by many other men.
	And I was happy to do so.
	As long as I can have those three qualia, the three that I stated, I'm a very happy man and I'm a very content man.
	Andrew, is there a term?
	I didn't mean to cut you off there, Andrew, but is there a term?
	Help, help me?
	Help made?
	What is that?
	Like help made.
	Help, help me.
	Am I, let me Google this.
	I'm not sure if I'm.
	Oh, I don't know where I'm getting this freaking term from.
	Help?
	Well, so, like, I think when it going back to this conversation about like women's careers and stuff, at least from my point of view, I'm thinking, so if I have a partner, and this is one of the values that I think a woman can bring to my life.
	So if she can alleviate certain things in my life that make my life easier, and in so doing, I guess, let's say her earning potential is $70,000 a year.
	My earning potential is $5 million a year.
	If she can alleviate my time so that I can boost my income by 10%, wouldn't it make the most sense that she just stays at home and supports me in all the ways that she can support me and I can bring in an extra $100,000 or $200,000 a year versus her working a full-time job to make $70K when she could help me make $100,000,
	$200,000, $100,000, $200K extra a year by staying home and helping me and helping me in my mission?
	I wonder if this is even the right way to look at it.
	But before I weigh in, I'll let the gals answer.
	Helpmate?
	Oh, have them answer what?
	My thing?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Well, I was just, my only thing is, is I think, and this is due to practical experience, of course, I don't have enough data to make this claim as being something which is solid.
	But this is just from kind of a mixture of anecdote and then what I perceive.
	Men will go through absolute hell, hell on earth, in order to take care of their women and their family if they just have this kind of minimum threshold which is given to them.
	And the thing is, is that there's so much willfulness.
	It's almost like what happens is if you give somebody too much, they just begin to expect more and more and more.
	And I think that this is what has happened in modernity with women, is that even kind of these basic things, like the idea that Brian says, well, I'd like a woman to bow after I get out of the fucking mines and I go off with coal all over my face and I just brought home $200,000 this year.
	This fucking bitch can't make some noodles for me?
	What the fuck?
	That's the thing, right?
	It's like it's a legitimate criticism in many ways because what's really being said here is like, look at everything I'm bringing to the table.
	And every day, day in, day out, and I don't complain, I don't bitch.
	I don't whine.
	And I ask for such a small amount.
	And even then, we have to quibble about it.
	And that's really what that's about, right?
	The bow has nothing to do with anything other than just show me that I actually matter and that all of modernity, which kisses women's asses, even though it's built on the backs of men, that you actually respect the fact that that's done.
	And that's all that's really being asked.
	And so I almost wonder if even this is the wrong way to look at it, right?
	The way that Brian looks at it.
	I think that women should be fucking grateful.
	They should be grateful.
	They live in the best society ever, and it's all built on the backs of not them.
	The air conditioning, which enables them to even exist, everything which allows them to exist in modernity is built by men, and they're the most ungrateful, snot-nosed brats about it that you've ever seen.
	And there's really no cause for it because they bring nothing to the table, none of them, including the old bags here who bring nothing to the table by their own admission except their pussy.
	And that, to me, is why, and when asked, this is all you get.
	I bring love and affection.
	You don't bring shit to the table.
	And that's why you can't even answer the damn question, no matter how many times we ask it.
	And it makes me sick because that is modernity.
	Well, first of all, I don't know if that is being addressed to Asia and I or being addressed to women in general, but you did point us out.
	However, you have no clue.
	Good.
	What do you bring to the table besides your vagina?
	Give me a real example.
	If you want a man to take care of you for the rest of your life, what do you bring to the table except your vagina and a bunch of baggage?
	I'm bringing a lot.
	Like I said earlier, if you're listening to me.
	I'll start with the baggage you bring, and then we'll move on to the awesome stuff you bring.
	All right.
	Thank you, negative 100.
	Let's start with the baggage first.
	Okay, my baggage personally?
	Yeah.
	Well, I have three kids.
	I was in a marriage for 20 years.
	And basically, that's it.
	I'm right now?
	Do you realize how monumental what you just said was that you have three children and most of your life was taken by another man for 20 years?
	You can't give another man children.
	What are you bringing to the table, really?
	I've never dated a man, anyways, that wants more children.
	And second of all, I'm not looking for a man to marry.
	I would like to have a companion.
	And if I do find the right man, I'll marry again.
	However, I'm not out there searching for a man to care for me.
	You're not.
	She is.
	But if you're not, then what else are you bringing to the relationship besides, again, just your vagina, really?
	Like, what are you really bringing to a man that he's just really going to desire?
	What makes you so special that you stand out besides this one attribute?
	Honestly.
	Honestly, I'm going to say I'm a great cook, great cleaner.
	I know how to communicate well, and I know how to please a man.
	Yeah, and the men that you end up with have to be exceptional.
	They have to be exceptional in their field, or they can't bring home the kind of money which would be required to take care of you and whatever the graduation gifts for your kids are.
	Well, whatever the things are which are necessary to move over towards the resources to your children, your offspring, right?
	I've dated men that make less money than me, and I never had a problem with that at all.
	Well, you're not with them for a reason, right?
	Well, it had nothing to do with financials.
	Sure, I'm sure it didn't.
	It just happened to be a happenstance that they made less than you, and you're still not with them, right?
	Had nothing to do with the reason why we're not together, honestly.
	Okay.
	I believe you.
	But in any case, no, I don't really see much in the way of attributes.
	I don't think that either of you are particularly stunning.
	I don't think you're particularly funny.
	I don't think you're particularly engaging.
	And if you can cook and clean, great.
	So can all the 20-year-old girls who are sitting there right next to you, all of them.
	So what exactly are you bringing that's so monumental that offsets the baggage to age to a relationship why somebody should pick you?
	That's the question.
	And it's not even to be mean.
	It should just be pointed.
	It should just point out something that's obvious to men and that women just kind of pretend doesn't exist.
	Well, you can ask that question to anybody, man or woman, right?
	You can, and that's why I'm asking it to you.
	Yeah, well, friendship, if you find the right match with the right person, friendship, quality, personality, companionship, someone that you can laugh with, someone that you can share stories with.
	Yeah, they can do all that with you.
	They can do daily activities with and have fun with.
	They can do all that with a 25-year-old.
	You sure can.
	You sure can.
	That's my point, though.
	It's like, so what are you really bringing to the table?
	I could date a younger guy, but I choose not to because you're not on the same page, like mentally.
	Well, hang on.
	You can fuck a younger guy.
	That doesn't mean he's going to marry you.
	True.
	Yeah, and that's most older women have this experience.
	Yeah, younger men will stereotyping people and they ain't going to be with them long term.
	You can't give them kids.
	And so they end up dumping you.
	That's what happens.
	In fact, this gal next to you said she had that very experience.
	She dated a younger man and he decided, ah, you know, I actually want kids and you can't give them to me.
	These are some big, that's all, by the way, all of that is baggage, all of it.
	If you can't give them kids, that's baggage.
	If you have kids, that's baggage.
	If you X, Y, Z, that's all baggage.
	It's not just, I have an ex-husband and I have three children.
	It's I'm older.
	That's baggage one.
	It's I have three children.
	That's baggage two.
	I can't give you children.
	That's more baggage.
	All of this is baggage.
	Everybody has baggage at a certain age, and that's why I feel like for me personally, I like to date guys my age because we probably have equal amounts of baggage, right?
	I'm not going to be a realistic and date somebody that's a lot younger than me that's going to view me as an older person with a lot of baggage.
	Men your age in comparison to you are going to be highly pursued by almost all women in your age bracket.
	Most, most of them, because they've accrued a ton of resources.
	So your dating competition is even higher in your age bracket than in the 20s, right?
	Right.
	Yeah.
	I mean, the thing is, you have to be exceptional in your age bracket to net these men.
	Because for one thing, their libido is way down, right?
	They're not necessarily just looking at you for sex like a lot of the younger men would be.
	And so that's one of the big netting points that women have.
	I'm young and beautiful, and all these men want to bang me.
	And that's a big netting point, a big selling point.
	Men, in your age bracket, their libido goes significantly down.
	Now you got to actually bring something to the table.
	That's why women in your age bracket have such a hard time netting a good quality man, right?
	Am I wrong?
	No, I hear you.
	And our dating pool is so much smaller than when we are.
	Way smaller.
	Yeah, way smaller.
	They're slim pickings.
	On both sides, men and women.
	So that's why it's not, I'm not asking these questions to be mean or cruel to you.
	I'm asking them pointedly because I understand that in your age bracket, the dating market is even more vicious in many cases than it is for younger people.
	Your options are way slimmer.
	And you have to be exceptional to stand out to men who don't just value you for your vagina, which younger men do.
	Right.
	And so when I ask these questions, what do you bring to the table?
	That's what I'm asking it for.
	So what do you, now that you understand, what do you bring to the table?
	I just told you earlier.
	Go ahead and tell me again.
	Friendship.
	Good personality, someone to talk to, someone to support.
	I would definitely support him emotionally.
	Good conversation.
	A buddy to go places with, to travel, to hang out with.
	And what makes those qualities?
	Sure.
	What makes those qualities exceptional in comparison to other women in your same age bracket?
	I'm a good listener, and I'm down to earth.
	I'm not fake or phony.
	Okay.
	Wait.
	All right.
	Do you have fake titties?
	I'm not fake or phony on the inside.
	Oh, oh, my God.
	I'm so sorry.
	Well, didn't you just hear him?
	Our dating pool is slim and picking, so we got to be above and beyond, right?
	But you said you're not fake, but I'm talking personality-wise, internally.
	Sorry.
	Yeah, you know what I'm talking about.
	Sorry.
	Sorry.
	Crickets.
	Yeah.
	Cue the crickets.
	Well, it's actually an interesting phenomenon.
	You know, if I were to ever start a dating show, I think I would probably focus mostly on 45 to 55, even to early 60s people.
	And the reason is, is because the dating market there, I have so many people reach out to me who are in this age bracket.
	GMD Jim donated $99.
	Andrew Wilson, nailing IT again.
	We can hire a cook, house cleaner, and escort if so desired.
	We also have friends.
	What makes all that baggage worth IT?
	Yeah, I was just kind of beginning to dive into this.
	But the number one complaint that I hear from men in this age bracket, in their 50s, especially, is like, look, my libido is way down.
	I don't value women anymore the same way I did in my 20s, where I wanted to have sex every single day, you know, multiple times a day in many cases, this type of thing, right?
	Women in their 20s.
	Old man Maureen donated $100.
	Andrew, you're amazing.
	Ex-wife never satisfied.
	Never happy or grateful even toe.
	I made more money every year.
	Vacations, jewelry, health things for four of us.
	She thinks she can do better.
	Now she broke.
	Yeah, that's a very common story, too.
	But anyway, yeah, so this is what I hear commonly in this age bracket: because I don't value those things, right?
	The women that I'm looking for, they need to bring me one thing, one big quality, which is that I don't have to take care of all their bullshit.
	And they fracture my piece, right?
	They fracture my peace.
	And so, what is the point of me having a companion, right?
	If I'm only going to have sex with her, you know, once a week because my libido is way down, if she brings all this baggage to the table that I then have to deal with, that's the number one complaint that I hear.
	And that makes a lot of sense to me.
	Men in their 50s, not going to be boning as much as men in their 20s.
	Makes total sense.
	Women in their 50s, of course, they can still, you know, have the same kind of libido, but it goes down for them too.
	And so they're asking, what is me, me as an established man in my 50s, let's say, I have all these resources.
	Why the fuck should I share them with her?
	And I don't have a great answer to that.
	What are the things that they're bringing to the table where you should share those resources with them?
	And every time I ask the women this, they kind of come up with the same type of answers.
	Well, I'm funny, I'm cute, I'm snarky, I'm quirky.
	I have all these different things, but they're like, all of them are like that.
	And so this is kind of where I end up, you know, just kind of trying to understand, right?
	I'm trying to understand from your perspective, what are these things, really?
	Well, I'm not trying to be disrespectful to men out there when I say this.
	However, I feel like when men divorce, it's very different from when women divorce because when men divorce, they're so quick to replace their ex-wife because they want someone to take care of them, cook their dinner, do all the necessary wife stuff, right?
	But for women, when they divorce, sometimes they soar and they become a better person.
	They're more successful.
	They're able to focus more on themselves.
	So I feel like there's a codependency issue here with men and women.
	And I'm not trying to disrespect or bash men.
	Well, yeah, of course they do.
	They tend to do better in divorces because they end up with the man's income from the previous husband's income.
	They end up with his house.
	Sometimes they end up with child support.
	They end up with alimony.
	So of course they end up now.
	By the way, their income bracket generally goes way down, but they end up doing better solo only because of these factors that most of the time the court rules in their favor and gives them the allocation of those resources.
	So men don't usually have that advantage.
	Yeah, but putting the financials aside, I'm saying emotionally women are stronger single than women, than men are.
	Men feel like they always need to be with a woman, I feel like, after they lose a spouse or after they go through a divorce.
	That's my experience with some of my friends and my guy friends and relatives.
	I feel like it's always the men that are so quick to find a replacement because they're scared of the money.
	It's funny because the marriage rates don't show that.
	They show that the women remarry much faster than men remarry.
	Almost like they had other people in their sights to remarry after they got the divorce.
	Like in their pipeline on the sidelines.
	Yeah, exactly.
	In their pipeline.
	So the thing is, is like, one, I'm not going to agree that that's true.
	And two, I've seen what happens when a man is widowed in his 40s and in his 50s.
	And it is fucking ridiculous.
	It's every predatory woman in her 40s and 50s that exists on planet Earth coming out of the woodwork before his wife's even in the ground.
	Before she's even in the ground.
	I'm so sorry this happened.
	Because now he's available.
	The fight over widowers is insanity.
	I've never seen anything like it.
	Yeah, you've seen it, right?
	In your age bracket, it happens a lot.
	They go absolutely wild for him.
	You know what doesn't happen, though?
	That doesn't happen to widows.
	Doesn't happen to widows the same way.
	I've seen widows.
	Okay, I'm not saying all the time it doesn't.
	I'm just saying it happens way more with widowers.
	And I think the reason it does is because a widower is showing a bunch of these qualities that women want.
	Quality one that a widower is showing is: I was with my wife for the duration.
	I'm a steadfast individual, right?
	I was a leader.
	I've donated $100.
	BS, divorced here too.
	The woman leaves.
	I'm single after two years.
	She is taken.
	And 50-50 child support $1,750 per month.
	Equal time.
	Wrecked all my assets and took half.
	Yeah, not shocked there.
	But so the widower is showing, though, I have all these qualities you want.
	I'm stalwart.
	I'm steadfast.
	I stayed with my wife for the duration.
	She had to die, or I wouldn't even be separated from her, right?
	So he's showing all the qualities that a woman wants.
	What's interesting is a widow doesn't necessarily show that they have those qualities.
	Just by virtue of the man dying, it's not a demonstration to other men that those qualities are present the same way it is in the opposite direction.
	And I just wondered, like, why do you think that is?
	What do you think you're why do you think it is that they flock so much to widowers instead of widows?
	I'm not sure, but I mean, back to the whole dating pool, slim pickings.
	You know?
	Yeah, but it's slim pickings on both ends, right?
	Correct.
	Yeah, so the thing is, is that I would have expected to see as many suitors.
	It's really interesting the older you get as a man, how many suitors open up to you who are women if you want them, versus when you're younger, the opposite is true, right?
	That's where we come up with these memes of like cat lady and you know, you're gonna die alone and this type of thing.
	It's because men, when they have tons of resources, they can just kind of have their pick, right?
	That's true.
	Yeah.
	That's why we asked what makes you accept.
	I'm gonna bring it back to what we were talking about.
	I was asking about you said you were involved with NBA players.
	Yeah.
	How did you meet them?
	Well, when I was like a dancing, you're just in that environment.
	I was always in like outside in LA going to parties.
	I've been to like, I mean, I feel like anyone that lives in LA has probably been to like Swaley's house.
	That was like a thing like five years ago.
	Who the fuck is that guy?
	What?
	Yeah.
	You don't know Swaley?
	I was like 10 years ago.
	I don't know who Swaley is.
	I actually don't.
	If you heard a song, you would know who it is.
	I mean, it doesn't matter.
	He's irrelevant now.
	But it's like you bring up the idiot alien.
	Sing it for us.
	How about no one?
	Sing it for us.
	No way.
	But I feel like that's just, you know, if you're in that environment, you're around them.
	Did you hook up with any NBA players?
	No, it was when I was celibate.
	I did date one, though, for like eight months and we didn't do anything.
	Or abstinent, to be correct.
	Not celibate.
	Is there a difference?
	Yeah.
	GMD Jim donated $99.
	What a load of shite.
	I am their age.
	Two cheating exes gone.
	I was loyal to both.
	They were fucking before were papers final.
	I have been single and celibate for 17 years.
	Single?
	You've been celibate for 17 years, Jim?
	Bro, you gotta let that thing loose.
	Your whole life, not for me.
	Just kidding, Jim.
	Jim, Jim, Jim.
	Congrats, man.
	Congrats on your 17 years of celibacy.
	There must be cobwebs up in that motherfucker.
	But good for you, Jim.
	I'm proud of you.
	I'm proud of you, Jim.
	Thank you for the TTS, sir.
	You dated an NBA player for eight.
	How long?
	Eight months?
	Yeah.
	No pussy?
	No.
	BJs?
	Nope.
	Pussy eating?
	Nope.
	NBA player?
	Aren't these guys known for just being dogs?
	No offense, NBA players.
	He was Christian.
	His mom was nice.
	Wait, his mom was nice?
	Yeah, his mom.
	Did he know you used to be a stripper?
	Yeah, he knew that I was dancing at that time.
	Oh, you were dancing at the time?
	Good Christian boy?
	But it's also like he was in LA, and that's just kind of, I think, like, what they're doing.
	What's the percentage of strippers in LA?
	Yeah, a lot.
	It's less than 1% for sure.
	a lie you think more than one person it's it's probably like point zero one percent strippers in LA is way more than what percentage of women in LA are strippers then 10%.
	Well, I shut no fucking way.
	Say, like, five.
	Here, you guys only have one strip club, and then the next one is Oxnard.
	So you have to think, like, that's two clubs.
	They probably are.
	Okay, what percentage of women in LA are strippers?
	Look it up.
	Yeah, look.
	I don't know, like, probably around, like, 30.
	30%.
	You have to realize that there is like the education system has failed us.
	People that you don't even expect are like strippers.
	I'm sorry.
	30% of women are not strippers.
	Half of the girls that are like on Instagram just living their best life are strippers.
	Like I would run into them at the club and I'd be like, I thought you were like a dental assistant.
	30% of women.
	Why don't you get up on Google?
	Maybe sex workers, but not strippers.
	Not even sex workers.
	Hold on.
	Not even sex workers.
	Sex workers.
	Girls in LA.
	You have to think about that.
	Not 30%.
	You have to think sex workers.
	LA's a massive city.
	Hold on.
	Population of LA.
	Talking about Los Angeles.
	Oh, well, hold on.
	The city of Los Angeles, 3.8 mil.
	But let me do, let's just do LA County, which is fucking massive.
	I'm talking about girls, though, that like 10 million.
	Also, there's so many people that work in LA that are strippers that don't live there.
	I didn't live in LA.
	30% of women are scrippers.
	That work in LA?
	No way.
	No way.
	There's no way.
	There's girls that drive from Vegas to dance in LA.
	Them motherfuckers live in Vegas.
	But they still, like, I lived in Thousand Oaks.
	I still worked in Los Angeles.
	Shout out Thousand Oaks.
	Wait, what?
	But I still, what's it called?
	I still lived, I mean, worked in LA.
	30%.
	So what percent are porn stars?
	Do you count only fans girls?
	Sure.
	I don't know.
	Sure.
	I don't know.
	A lot.
	I would run into a lot of porn stars at the strip club, too.
	What percent of men in LA are NBA players?
	I don't know how many live there.
	How many work there?
	I mean, what?
	The Lakers and the Celtics that work there?
	But they don't, most of them don't live there.
	Okay.
	Celtics is.
	Yeah, I didn't think.
	Yeah.
	Oh, not Celtics.
	The Clippers.
	The Clippers.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Well, anyways, so 30%.
	So I guess I was just confused.
	Like, Christian, good Christian boy, NBA player.
	At this time, I was dancing, but I wasn't like dancing that consistently.
	Because at this time.
	No.
	He was actually at the time.
	What do they call it?
	Like, if you're the main, one of the main.
	He was one of, yeah.
	He was a starter.
	Starter, thank you.
	Starter.
	What's his name?
	I'm not going to do that.
	You also dated rappers?
	Yeah.
	How many rappers did you date?
	Like, actually, gone on several dates with, like, two names.
	Um, sing a song by them.
	Sing a song.
	Rap a song.
	Rap it.
	I don't even listen to secular music.
	I can't think of anything like that right now.
	Um, I mean, I'll say one.
	I like went on a couple dates with like one take J, but he's not really like a big rapper like that.
	Okay.
	And I'll say that because he's like a nobody.
	Sure.
	Okay.
	Bless you.
	You said any dating topics you wanted to speak on?
	The mentality you have dating a sex as a sex worker versus being saved by Jesus.
	Yeah.
	Or just the mentality that woman, women now in society have about what a high-value man is.
	You want to elaborate a bit on.
	Yeah, just more so like what I think the idea women have of like what a high-value man is now, and like how they think that.
	I feel like we've kind of been talking about it already tonight, about what you think a man should provide for you and do for you, especially in like today's society, because I think it's very skewed to a lot of girls think that they should be just provided for because they are attractive and they can have sex with someone, when that's really not like the case okay.
	And then the mentality you have, dating as a sex worker versus being saved by Jesus, so pretty much just like waiting to have sex or it.
	Well yeah, I mean well she's gone now, but kind of like how she wants to save herself for a marriage is something that I think that thought process came more into my head once.
	I did find like my value more in finding faith.
	Hillary Epstein donated $200.
	Sure, ask them how much money a man has to make to qualify for them if you haven't already, and compare that to the mean median and range of Los Angeles.
	Bring it down to reality.
	Okay yeah, we'll do that really quick.
	How much money does a man have to make to qualify for you?
	Starting with you right now, like realistically, because I'm 26, my boyfriend's 26, like near a hundred thousand a year.
	Okay, what about you?
	Um, living in Los Angeles, was the question no, or wherever, I don't know, wherever you live, I guess I mean I would say at least, at least a 500,000.
	Come again, hold on, wait.
	So for for you you want to guide, I mean I don't really know, as long as like, our lifestyle and our, our goals are in alignment.
	So, bare minimum, I just, but not I mean definitely, six figures is a bare minimum.
	But you said like 500,000, that's what I make.
	Yeah, you make 500,000.
	No no no, but I make at least six figures.
	I make six, Yeah.
	How much?
	I mean, make close to $200,000 a year.
	But you said you want $500,000?
	Yeah.
	I mean, at least someone on my level, but I think $500,000 is a good lifestyle.
	Isn't that like two and a half times your level?
	I think it's a good lifestyle.
	Well, wouldn't, yeah, dating a billionaire would be a good lifestyle.
	Sure.
	Are you going to snag a billionaire?
	Is Andrew here?
	Andrew?
	I don't know if you're going to be able to do that.
	I'm just in awe.
	I'm just listening.
	I don't know.
	That guy said he was a multi-millionaire and he'd rather be with a 52-year-old with a son than a young girl.
	So there are men out there.
	I think you missed the part that message he said he was joking.
	It was sarcastic.
	Oh.
	Sarcastic.
	Oh, okay.
	So, wait, you want to, okay.
	Well, hold on.
	We've got to go around the table first.
	Income for your.
	Now you're young, right?
	But I want to frame it like this is going to be, maybe you're in your mid to late 20s.
	This is going to be the guy that you're going to marry.
	How much do you want him to make?
	Realistically, probably anywhere between like 85 to 100.
	Like if you say I were to be in like my mid-20s.
	Sure.
	I would rather have a guy that's like debt-free.
	I want a simple life, but if you're going to put a number on it, I'm going to say probably $100K.
	Okay.
	This is just desired salary for like mid to late 20s, the guy you're going to marry.
	I would agree, like 85 to like 110.
	Okay.
	Like 70.
	Sorry.
	Like 70, 80.
	Okay.
	Probably six figures because I do want to have kids in my 20s.
	I feel like that's a good starting.
	And you want him to stay at home?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	I don't really expect someone in their late 20s to have it all, but I think maybe like 70 to 80 to start.
	What would you want, assuming his career trajectory at the peak of his career, what do you anticipate the man that you're going to be with earning?
	It's a hard question.
	I honestly don't know.
	Maybe 100K.
	Okay.
	At least.
	All right.
	And you said 100K was the 500K?
	Isn't 500K like that's 1%?
	I would say.
	1%.
	Because I would say at least $1 million for retirement so we can live in Europe.
	Wait, when you say that?
	I think that's, I don't think it's a number amount that he has to make, but I think.
	Per year?
	No, no, no.
	I think we need at least a million dollars each year.
	Per million dollar nest egg, you mean?
	Yeah, a million dollars each to live a really nice life in Europe.
	Where in Europe?
	So it's not really a salary requirement.
	You want a man who has a million dollars worth of retirement.
	At least, yeah.
	Yeah.
	So that he can take you to Europe and you can live all the time.
	I would match that too.
	You don't have a million dollars in retirement.
	What?
	You have a million dollars worth of retirement nest eggs, really?
	I have half of it.
	Well, okay, but that's not a million dollar retirement.
	But when I'm ready to retire, I'll have close to it.
	No, but the question was: per year?
	And you said $500,000, right?
	That's a good start.
	I mean, a man who's making $500,000 a year is likely going to far exceed.
	I mean, this top, top 1%.
	$500,000 plus a year, top 1%.
	Yeah, wouldn't that.
	But wouldn't $500,000 a year, you're going to far exceed $1 million a year?
	Giovanni J. $100.
	She preached degeneracy, prostitution, and complete heresy all night.
	Refused financial restitution for her sins.
	Christianity isn't a fun LARP.
	You can just go opt.
	GTFO of my church.
	Repent demon.
	Do you want to respond to Giovanni?
	Oh.
	Sorry, that was my hands.
	I was doing this.
	My bad.
	What's a LARP?
	Like, pretend.
	Oh.
	I didn't really get the question, but no.
	I know who I am.
	Okay.
	Yeah, I was just saying, these are wildly high numbers.
	I mean, your average income earner who's a man, if he's in the middle class, going to be $70,000 a year.
	And that's a pretty good living, to be honest with you.
	You can raise, and there's a common misconception because people want to live in these extraordinarily expensive cities like Santa Barbara, Los Angeles.
	They don't want to go to places where the weather isn't quite so good, right?
	But you can raise a family pretty comfortably in the Midwest on $70,000 a year.
	You can own a home on $70,000 a year, own two cars on $70,000 a year if you budget correctly.
	That's going to be in the income bracket of most people, right?
	Even under $55,000 a year, you might live a slightly worse life, you know, kind of from a subjective standpoint, but you can still live.
	But moving into kind of this idea of I want a man who has a million-dollar nest egg to take me to Europe, doesn't that sound like fan fiction, right?
	Doesn't that sound almost, you know, almost insane to say at your age that you expect a man with a million-dollar nest egg to take you to Europe to give you your happily ever after?
	That's not delusional to you?
	Nope.
	And the person that commented that I was a chubby old Asian woman, I'm not chubby.
	This dress is not doing me any favors in these camera angles, but I'm not chubby.
	Well, I'm not an old Asian lady.
	I'm not making any claims to your physical appearance.
	Well, you called us an old bag.
	And you're responding to a chatter.
	I get that.
	You called us an old bag.
	That is rude.
	An old bag.
	You're 53 years old.
	52.
	So unless to explain this to you, if you were to live to a hundred, I'm sorry.
	If you were to live to 104, you would be at half of your life right now.
	Do you understand that?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	That's why I'm planning on retirement.
	You're not young, and I'm not young either.
	And I'm much younger than you, and I'm not young.
	So the thing is, is like, look, I'm just being realistic here.
	At 52 years old, to expect that a man's going to come in and give you a million-dollar nest egg to take you to Europe for the rest of your life, you don't think that that's slightly delusional considering the average income of most men.
	Most men, by the way, in your age bracket, are on a Social Security fixed income retirement.
	Most of them.
	Like, you're looking for the top top tier here.
	Wait, how old are you willing to date?
	Like, what's the oldest guy you date?
	59.
	I date.
	Well, actually, I've dated men up to 62.
	But I'm like usually like seven years, seven to ten years older.
	I can go up to.
	But honestly, again, it's really the person.
	You know, we're on.
	You said 500K.
	We're on the same, we want the same lifestyle.
	I've met them.
	They're out there.
	I don't think I'm delusional.
	And you, and we can.
	Can we do the calculator?
	Can you pull up the calculator?
	We'll do the calculator.
	Because I think it'd be helpful to figure out what percentage of men that you're looking for fall into this category.
	We'll do the calculator.
	It's always interesting.
	Yeah, we're ready.
	We're ready.
	All right.
	Scroll down.
	Female delusion calculator.
	Oh, my goodness.
	Age range of men you'd be willing to date.
	So.
	Well, I date men up to 10 years older than okay.
	So, Nick, put 62 at the max age.
	You would date up to 62?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Minimum age?
	Of 47.
	47.
	Okay.
	I'm assuming exclude men who are already married, right?
	Right.
	Okay, exclude married.
	Race?
	Any race preference or no?
	White, black, Asian?
	No.
	Do that.
	Okay.
	Minimum height?
	A 5'9 is my minimum, usually.
	Just because of the body.
	I'll tell you.
	5'6.
	Okay.
	Exclude obese?
	Sure.
	Okay.
	Minimum income, you're gonna just have to max that to put it to 500K.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	Scroll down a little bit, can you?
	Yeah, okay.
	Find out.
	All right.
	Wait, did we break it?
	The probability of a guy.
	Hold on, we'll bring it back.
	Then I'll just live in my delusion.
	Hold on.
	So it's 0.031% of men in this range that make that much money.
	You want to hide Andrew for a sec?
	Okay.
	Thanks for showing me that.
	How many is that?
	Not a lot.
	A leg.
	Not a lot.
	Okay.
	Andrew had to take a smoke break or something.
	Or well, he can smoke.
	Okay, maybe it wasn't a smoke break.
	500K, though, really?
	That's a lot.
	200K, not good.
	You want to do 200K?
	Show me the probability of 200K.
	It's probably not great, but we can do it, Nick.
	Can you just go back?
	You can pull it up.
	You can pull it up.
	I think you just hit the back button.
	It should be able to.
	That's one way to go back.
	I keyed, Ike.
	Half that?
	Yeah, we could do half that.
	Scroll down.
	0.14%.
	Is that less?
	Is that more?
	Okay, 0.14%.
	It was like 038 though.
	It was 00.38.
	There's like a song from this.
	What's his name?
	That comedian.
	Oh, shit.
	Lower your expectations a little.
	Forgot his name.
	Table Ball.
	Bo Burnham.
	Thank you, Nick.
	W Nick.
	W Nick.
	Nope.
	No, thank you.
	Not lower your expectations.
	Nope.
	What about there's a lot of great guys who make 70K a year?
	You want to date a guy who makes 70K a year?
	Not my guy.
	Why?
	Old man Maureen donated $100.
	She's manifesting, Andrew, any negative thoughts.
	No matter how delusional, the universe will answer her.
	I roll.
	You got a lot of trolls that watch this show.
	No, he's not a troll.
	I don't think he's a troll.
	They're not trolling.
	Listen, you just got a healthy dose of reality.
	You're just told that your chances are less, significantly less than 1% of finding what it is that you're actually after.
	You know, like, I don't care, right?
	I'm not going to lower my standards.
	I don't care.
	After all.
	Okay, well, what are you basing this disagreement on?
	Based on how I feel.
	You can show me the numbers.
	Okay, great.
	Well, I disagree with your disagreement based on how I feel.
	Yep.
	Because I'm not going to go down those rabbit hole with you guys because I'm not going to lower my standards.
	Is that why you don't want to go down a rabbit hole?
	Go ahead.
	No, I won't lower my standards.
	And you're standards.
	Or I'll be alone, is what you guys think.
	So I'm happy being alone as well, too.
	Wait, there were three men that you said you dated for three months or so.
	Did you end it or did they end it?
	I did.
	So this guy paid, he brought you on a date that cost $1,500, between $1,500 and $3,000.
	I assume he's well off, given he's willing to spend that much for a dinner.
	GMD Jim donated $99.
	So funny.
	I literally meet all of her original criteria.
	I would like all of my money on fire before giving IT to a 304 like that.
	Bro, Jim.
	What's a 304?
	It's like an area code thing.
	Where's that?
	I think it's West Virginia.
	Yeah.
	I was saying.
	Actually, it's pretty close to the Bunny Ranch in Vegas, I'm told.
	So, oh, shit.
	Wait, where was I?
	Shit.
	What was I saying, Tomil?
	Like the money.
	The money, 500K.
	Yeah.
	We pulled up the calculator.
	No, I know, I know, but I was on something.
	Oh, the three guys you were dating.
	Okay.
	Oh, yeah.
	You broke up with them.
	Yeah.
	Why?
	Well, they were inconsistent.
	And the guy that spent the money, the situationship, who I said is also still a dear friend of mine to this day, no romance, but he wasn't in a place where he wanted a relationship because he, like I said, he had three kids before the age of 30.
	He was living his life in reverse.
	He was living his best life.
	He had some things he needed to check off his bucket list before getting into a relationship.
	Sure.
	And so I wanted to open myself up for anyone else.
	He was also number 15 on my 21 date, so I still had to finish that check.
	Can you date a guy who makes 100K?
	Yeah, we, yeah, I would date him.
	Your life partner?
	Probably not.
	Because again, I want to be on at least the minimum the same level financially.
	So if you fall in love with somebody, let me ask this one quick last follow-up.
	I'm just curious about.
	I've been kind of taking notes as we've gone.
	I will admit your story is somewhat fascinating and your expectations are fascinating to me, probably for all the wrong reasons.
	But I do have to ask this.
	Let's say you met a guy tomorrow who was 50 years old.
	He made $70,000 a year.
	He was witty.
	He was funny.
	He was handsome.
	He absolutely adored you.
	He'd make a great husband.
	But the one drawback was that, you know, he had a few health issues.
	He was never going to.
	Hillary Epstein donated $99.
	Imlost here wants a man with $1.500K slash year salary, but only have $1 million in retirement.
	$29 here and Deve and I have $1 million in retirement.
	Dating for money out of that ridiculous amount.
	Quick response to this.
	No, I said originally I said $500K would be a really good number, but then I retracted that and said, I want at least a million dollars of retirement so we can retire in Italy.
	Right.
	And I would have close to that amount as well, too.
	Yeah, half million bucks.
	So 1.5.
	Well, I'm making more.
	I'm still making money.
	No, I understand.
	So I'm just going to ask this, though.
	So he checks all the right boxes.
	He treats you well.
	He's very handsome.
	He's very dashing.
	Right.
	He has a few health problems, though.
	He makes about $70K a year.
	He can't give you Italy.
	But he will adore you and be a good husband for the rest of your life.
	But he'll never be able to financially pick you up where you want to go and do this Italy retirement thing unless you are the one who ends up supporting that through your own means.
	Would you marry him?
	No.
	Okay.
	You said you made like $200,000 a year?
	Close to it, yeah.
	Okay, so if a man was willing to provide for you financially, take over whatever finances like you pay for your son so that you were alleviated of all your finances.
	You don't have to worry about working.
	He's like, you know what?
	Chill at home.
	I will work.
	If he made like $180,000 and he could provide for you, but you didn't get as leisure of a house, maybe you guys are like a lifestyle, but maybe you guys do go to visit Italy, didn't get to retire there?
	Yeah.
	That you'd be.
	I would be happy with that.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Did you have a question?
	Because that's more realistic.
	I just said, like, let's say you like, how kind of like what Andrew was saying?
	Yeah, he said something like, let's say you meet a guy, right?
	Before you even know how much they make, you fall in love with them, you really just love being with them, and then you like come to the conversation of, okay, how much do we each make?
	He makes under 100K, but you've already built that connection with him.
	You're just going to drop him because he doesn't meet your standard?
	I probably wouldn't start dating somebody unless I kind of had an idea.
	Quick question, too.
	Is that something you like ask on the first date?
	No, no, no, no.
	I mean, you can kind of tell by their lifestyle and their job, what, you know, how much money they make.
	Like, I'm not going to be with a graffiti artist or someone like that, you know?
	What if it changes?
	Like, let's say you're together for a year.
	He's making good money.
	And then he just suddenly stops.
	And you're already committed to him.
	Just because that's like changed, you're like, okay, yeah, no, I can't be with you now.
	Well, no, because I'm going to pick a man that's a strong partner that we're in alignment together.
	And yes, I am looking for a partner.
	And I would love to be part of a power couple with somebody.
	It's not about him taking over my finances.
	It is about us, me being able to have less of a financial burden that's all on me.
	Yeah, and say, like, what if they get sick?
	Like, and you get sick.
	Right.
	And I'm getting older too, right?
	And I'm, you know, things are going to happen on my end as well, too.
	But yeah.
	But yeah, ultimately, I want to.
	You know, me and my wife are known as a power couple, I guess, from the metrics that you would express a power couple of being.
	You know what I do, though?
	I take all of my wife's money and I buy guns with it.
	See, she wrote these great books.
	They're fantastic.
	Well, the second one isn't out yet, but it will be.
	But the first one, yeah, it nets a pretty good amount of money.
	And I take all that money and I buy guns, right?
	And they're just for me.
	Not for her.
	All of her money.
	And that's what I do with it.
	Right?
	I just kind of wonder, right?
	Is she getting the raw end of the deal here?
	Does she at least know how to shoot guns?
	Yeah, I think she's somewhat competent at it.
	But anyway, yeah, I'm just wondering, is she getting the raw end of the deal?
	Was this for the whole panel or?
	No, no, no.
	Just for the gal in blue.
	I'm sorry, the wine.
	Oh, sorry.
	I zoned out.
	What are you asking?
	You zoned out?
	Yeah, I'm zoning.
	Go ahead.
	It's getting late.
	I'm not paying attention.
	Okay, so I just got to ask this.
	I'm kind of done with this conversation.
	I would meet the standard, I think, of power couple by your metric with me, myself, and my wife.
	But I take all of her money and I spend it on guns, all of it.
	Literally all of it.
	Not kidding.
	Great.
	Every bit of it.
	Good for you.
	Would you say that she's getting the raw end of the deal?
	No, but you pay the mortgage and the bills, you're saying?
	And so all of her money goes to my mother's money.
	No, no, no.
	Those are all assumptions.
	I'm asking you.
	You don't know anything except this one thing: that I take all of her money and spend it on the things that I want for me.
	Does she get in the raw end of the deal?
	Yes, because her money could be used for savings or investing and not just your collection or your hobby.
	So she needs to look after herself a little more, you think?
	Possibly.
	Yeah.
	Eula sees the pagan donated $100.
	An ugly obese soul troll that's spanking dollar.
	He could get a much younger woman.
	So why would he choose a middle-aged woman that just brings genitals that resembles an older Steve Bouchemi's face?
	The fuck.
	Pagan, bro.
	Disavow.
	I mean, this is so funny because, yeah, this dress is not doing me any favors.
	And because I'm not obese or overweight.
	I'm the only obese woman.
	The dudes she's looking for wouldn't entertain some 50-year-old that goes on a Coomer podcast.
	Hey.
	The good men that will date an older woman are not picking women craving Zuma internet attention slash Zoomer?
	Giovanni, I don't appreciate that characterization.
	I am hurt.
	I'm not mad.
	I'm just disappointed, Giovanni.
	I'm not mad.
	I'm just disappointed.
	All right.
	Thank you.
	Thank you, Giovanni.
	And then we do have a chat here from Scott.
	Thank you for the super chat, Brian.
	Forget the old has-been is the cure girl.
	Cure girl.
	Cure.
	Why are you the cure girl?
	I don't know.
	Like the band?
	The cure.
	The R is next to the T on the cure.
	I like the cure.
	It's a good band.
	Is she single?
	Are you willing to go on a date in San Diego?
	Scott, that's very flattering, but I'm taking.
	I'm taking, Scott.
	But thank you.
	Sorry.
	Sorry, Scott.
	Sweet.
	If you send another super chat in, though, La Joya, you can take me to.
	La Jolla's not good enough for you, Madison.
	No.
	Is that too posh?
	La Joya's.
	I don't deserve a La Joya.
	Since you had your eyebrows rated, would you like to rate everyone's eyebrows one to ten?
	Maddie is on point.
	Hashtag don't pluck hashtag eyebrows matter.
	You want me to rate their eyebrows?
	They're all tens.
	I don't know about eyebrows.
	I don't know about eyebrows.
	You guys all have tens.
	Ten eyebrows.
	Ten, They're all great.
	They're all great eyebrows, okay?
	I'm not an eyebrow guy.
	I'm a labia guy.
	I don't know.
	Whip out the labias I can read.
	Just kidding.
	Don't fucking do that, you D Jones.
	Just kidding.
	Okay, Richard Ritchie.
	Oh, whoops, Demi.
	Oh my god, bro.
	What the fuck?
	Okay, okay, okay.
	I got moved on.
	So we have, going back to you, Lori, you have a show called Horrible to Wholesome.
	Yeah.
	How do you spell the horrible, though?
	Oh, with the W in front of like the regular word horrible.
	So like whore.
	Yeah.
	Bibble to wholesome.
	Yeah.
	And you talk about going from being a whore to wholesome.
	Not a whore.
	That's the name of the book.
	No, it's because when like I was, I just, that's like how I say it whenever I say, I'm like, oh, I'm being horrible.
	Like horrible.
	Okay.
	You said that God called her back to the strip club.
	Oh, yeah, that episode, yeah.
	If you actually, did you guys, I'm assuming you didn't watch it.
	I didn't watch it, sorry.
	Yeah.
	So I had actually gone to a worship night, and as I was worshiping and praying and praising the Lord, I felt him just telling me something that I've been wanting to do for a while, but I didn't really feel it was time.
	And it was just to go pray with like the lost ones.
	So I ended up going back to a random strip club, which I didn't even pick.
	My boyfriend picked the place.
	I go to it and we're kind of like, okay, how do I know if what girl I'm going to pray for, pray with?
	And when we get to the door, well, actually, outside of the club across the street, there was a sign that said, I can't remember what it said.
	It said something that was like kind of, I guess, like assigned to me.
	We go inside and the guy was like, hey, there's only like one girl in here.
	And, you know, if you've ever talked to a stripper, you know that they probably don't want to hear, oh, like, I came here to pray for you.
	And so I end up going inside and praying for her.
	And she was very grateful of me, and we had a really good conversation about God.
	Oh.
	I thought it was like God called you back to the strip club, like trying to get you back to being a club.
	No, it's kind of like a little bit, I'm going to be honest, like clickbait, like what you guys called this episode.
	A little clickbait-ish.
	What did we clickbait?
	What was it called?
	Drama.
	Yeah, addressing drama.
	I'm going to address the drama.
	I addressed it at the end of the show.
	That's not clickbait.
	It's true.
	There's drama I got to address.
	Well, that's just what I felt like calling it.
	I don't know.
	I got to address some drama.
	Trust me.
	I'm addressing the drama.
	I'm addressing the drama.
	I just felt like he was calling me back to it to pray for people.
	Oh, okay.
	And then the last thing on your notes, dealing with rejection.
	That was also a podcast episode.
	I don't know why it's on there.
	Okay.
	Yeah, that was just a podcast episode about that.
	So let's get into some of the more.
	We'll go.
	Let's see.
	Oh, we'll do a bear versus man.
	Would you rather be stuck in the forest with a random bear?
	No, actually, hold on.
	Would you rather come across a random man or a random bear in the forest?
	And so the scenario is you get dropped into the forest randomly.
	And you can choose either a random man gets dropped in the forest with you or a random bear.
	You will cross paths.
	Which do you pick?
	A bear.
	A man?
	Realistically, a man.
	A man.
	What a man.
	A man.
	A bear.
	A man?
	Why a bear?
	Because, like, why is a guy in the forest?
	Like, that's creepy.
	You know, you get randomly, like, you randomly spawn in the forest.
	You randomly spawn in.
	There's like no reason for Hunger Games.
	Wait, hang on.
	I've got to back up, though.
	I feel like...
	Why would it be creepy for a man to be in the fucking forest?
	Why...
	Why is that creepy?
	Well, like, it depends on what you're doing.
	Would actually make it creepy that a man was in the forest.
	Like, have you not watched the movies where, like, you know, the killers are in the forest and then they're running through the forest?
	Have you not watched the movies where the killers are in the cities?
	Have you not watched the movies where the killers are in the foothills?
	Have you not watched the movies where the killers are in the mountains?
	Like, what are you talking about?
	Well, honestly, for me, well, whatever.
	I think bears are cute, so I want a bear.
	Big.
	Well, yeah, I could kill me, honestly.
	It could kill me.
	It's not a teddy bear.
	You realize this is not a teddy bear that you like hug and snuggle with.
	It's a grizzly bear or a bear like that that will rip your face off, right?
	But is it like just chilling there, or is it like, do I aggressive?
	It's just a random bear.
	Like, look, here, let me give you a second.
	I choose the bear.
	I could hide it.
	If you walked over to a random man in the street, just a random guy, anybody, right?
	And you walked over to him and you patted him on the head.
	And he turned around, right, and said, What the hell are you doing?
	Do you think that he would physically assault you?
	Just a random guy that you patted on the head?
	Do you think he would physically do something bad to you?
	No.
	If you walked over and he was a bear on the head, if you walked over and patted a random bear on the head, what do you think would happen?
	You're asking super logical questions, but obviously the bear would kill me.
	Super logical.
	I know.
	I know that that is the bane of the existence of many people.
	Yes, it is super logical.
	What would happen if you patted a random bear on the head?
	It probably would claw my face out.
	It will claw my face out.
	Why do you pick bear?
	Well, you didn't give me any details of how long I'm there, but a bear is not going to rape me.
	I'd rather die from a bear mulling me than a man raping me.
	Okay, so let's go into that a little bit.
	So you've made.
	By the way, can you say essay instead of the if you don't mind?
	No, yeah, my bad.
	So you've you must have made some sort of risk assessment where the risk of being essayed by a man you feel is like is outweighs the risk of potential attack from the bear.
	A bear is in its natural habitat.
	Like if you're not messing with it, it's probably most likely just gonna wander off.
	A man stuck in a forest with you is gonna come to his like, what does he want?
	You know, you don't know how stuck we are in the forest.
	Sure.
	So then I guess the question is: what percentage of men then do you think would be inclined to victimize you?
	I don't know, but you said a random man and there was men that got lost in a forest and essayed a lizard.
	So what?
	How do you essay?
	Hail and well met.
	What the fuck?
	Lol Paladins donated $100 and two cents.
	Come in, bro.
	Missed the last three hours of the show.
	Very disappointed to learn that he does actually speak English.
	Much like every other female guest ever, the more they open their mouth, the less I like them.
	You're disappointed to learn she speaks.
	She's been okay.
	Yeah, she's been good.
	Yeah, she hasn't really said it.
	You're out of line here, Lol Paladin.
	She hasn't really said anything.
	Out of line.
	She hasn't said anything that's deranged.
	Get out of here.
	Thank you.
	Thank you, Lol Paladins.
	So men essay lizards?
	Yeah, there's like a lizard.
	It was like a big lizard.
	It's on, like, you could look up the article.
	Wait, they were like a group of men went camping.
	Is this in the U.S.?
	I don't know.
	And they fucked a lizard.
	They were camping and they got lost and they found a lizard and they all like.
	They tag teamed a lizard.
	There's no, let me Google this shit.
	Do they Nick, get on that Pronto Tanto?
	Tag team lizard.
	I'm going to get on a list for that one.
	Jamie.
	They eventually, I think, ate it.
	Men have.
	I don't even know how to Google this without getting on like an FBI list.
	Men have sex with lizard.
	Oh my god, bro.
	This is going to get me true.
	Don't Google it that way.
	It's for research purposes.
	It was like men stranded.
	Men have men attacked.
	Okay, so what's the details around this that you can tell?
	Monitor, was it a monitor lizard abuse?
	Four men gang are the Vice article.
	This is actually an article.
	We can't even pull it up because it has the four men gang essayed killed and aid a protected monitor lizard.
	Sandeep, oh, I shouldn't say their names because I'll get in trouble.
	India, son.
	I don't know about how India works, bruv.
	But yes, it was in India.
	Okay.
	Isn't that a bestiality?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	But they were like stranded in a forest or something.
	Why did it just do it?
	They got Ken Skin someone.
	Yeah, like qualifiers.
	I was not doing a Roman salute, by the way.
	I was just trying to.
	Hold on.
	Got to give you the qualifiers.
	Okay.
	I have never seen a crime like this.
	Division forest officer Vishal Molly told Vice News.
	The men are in their 20s and 30s and appear to have done it for fun.
	There was no religious or black magic agenda.
	Never seen a crime like this.
	Meaning it's so uncommon and so out there that it essentially never happens.
	Just want to point this out.
	Can someone like do an AI generation of like a lizard looking like a little sexy, you know?
	Gecko.
	Like a gecko like kind of like looking like kind of hot.
	But that lizard looks like those big ones.
	Like the one from Jesse.
	Yeah, I was going to say that.
	Yeah, I'd say they're not a little like gecko.
	They're like those big dragons.
	So, okay.
	They're like this long.
	So what percentage of men do you think would essay?
	I definitely don't think if I was stranded in the forest with a random man that he would protect me the whole time we're stranded there.
	Okay.
	What do you think he would do?
	How about wait wait hold on.
	I want to actually get an answer to the question I what percentage of men do you think would choose to attack you in this scenario?
	Because it's like random men, right?
	So probably like 80% of men.
	80.
	Like if you think about how long how long am I stranded in this forest with him?
	I think you're overthinking.
	You're going to say you're stranded there for two years.
	So say you're stranded there for two years with him.
	Unless it was that guy that we fell a bit.
	80%.
	Eight in 10 men.
	Yeah, men are scary.
	Would SAU?
	8 in 10.
	Men are scary.
	Oh, okay.
	Hillary Epstein donated $99.
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	Thank you.
	Hope you have a wonderful night.
	80%.
	Let me, what's the population?
	Population of adult males, USA.
	About, I think, roughly 140 million.
	So do you think.
	Okay, let's just say out of 10 men, like eight of them, I'm pretty sure if you were to just spawn them in the middle of the forest, like you're saying, like eight out of those 10 men would probably essay a woman.
	Yeah.
	Or murder them.
	Yeah.
	So, uh your family members and the male family members of your boyfriend, they also, so eight out of ten of your male family members would would do this too.
	Um, unfortunately, Giovanni Jade, you donated $100.
	I love the girl on the right's reaction to the lizard sex, but they were desperate in the wild.
	Who said that?
	What, Tom?
	The thick girl on the right's reaction to the lizard sex, but they were desperate and desperate for that lizard.
	Sorry, yeah, so eight in ten of the men in your family would essay women in the forest if they could.
	I can think of a handful of men in my family that's eight in ten.
	Eight in ten, you said eighty percent.
	That's eight in ten.
	I don't know.
	That means out of all so think of ten males in your family, ten eight of them are going to essay a chick in the forest.
	I don't, I don't know more than like five men in my family.
	Okay, well, let's just take five then.
	Four in five.
	Four out of the five men that you do know in your family are going to essay a chick in the forest.
	Yeah.
	So there's really cool.
	I could think so.
	So your father could talk about that.
	Would that include your father?
	No, he passed away, so I'm not counting him.
	He's not alive.
	Wait, you can envision him, right?
	Yeah.
	Would he do it?
	No.
	How about this friend?
	Okay, brother?
	No.
	Cousin?
	Yeah.
	How many cousins are you envisioning?
	Five?
	No, two.
	Okay, so there we have it.
	So where do the other three come from?
	Uncle, grandfather, great-grandfather.
	So your great-grandfather, your grandfather, your uncle, and your two cousins are all going to essay a chick if they're in the forest, really?
	I could see that possibly happening.
	Oh, are they or aren't they?
	Yeah, depending on the circumstances, I could possibly see that happening.
	So I just want to make sure your grandfather is a arist.
	Your grandfather.
	Yeah, well, no, you said your great-grandfather and your grandfather.
	And I corrected myself, great-grandfather.
	Yeah, okay, you said your great-grandfather and your grandfather.
	Okay.
	Yes?
	I don't have a grandpa, I have a great grandpa, but I just...
	No, I'm pretty sure it's biologically impossible for you to not have a grandpa.
	I don't know my grandpa.
	Okay, so your two cousins, for sure, they're going to R-word a chick in the forest, no matter what.
	Melonova donated $100.
	Andrew, good faith question.
	If a man told his wife to kiss the ground literally every step he took through the house, would that be cool since she has to submit?
	Or is there a threshold?
	What is it?
	Quick response to this.
	This threshold has to comply with reason.
	So no, that would be unreasonable.
	I can actually express why that would be unreasonable.
	But anyway, back to this, this kind of back and forth here.
	I just want to make sure both of your cousins are R-wordist.
	They're both SAS.
	I just want to make sure that I hear from you that you're 100% positive.
	They're definitely going to be against her will taking that chick in the forest, right?
	Not against her will, but that doesn't.
	Well, why do I hang on?
	Wait, how could it be?
	How could they be essaying her if it's not against her will?
	Because there's like SA that isn't like the type you're referring to where it's like what?
	What would they do that would essay her?
	What do you think they would do?
	I'm pretty sure all the girls here have been in uncomfortable situations where.
	So answer my question.
	I don't care about what you think other girls in the room have been through.
	What would they do to women in the forest?
	What would they do?
	I'm just going to stand by that.
	I think eight out of ten men would do that.
	Yeah, I don't care what you're going to stand by.
	What would they do?
	You just said that they would essay.
	What would you do if you were stuck in the forest with a woman that wasn't your wife?
	Nothing.
	Nothing.
	Survival.
	Yeah.
	What would you do?
	I mean, maybe ask her to, I don't know, sharpen a stone?
	Okay, she didn't want to do forest.
	She didn't want to do anything like that.
	Would you think about maybe okay?
	She would just abandon her.
	If she refused to assist in her survival.
	A woman right now on X is Trending.
	She has a mold of her husband's PSUN.
	Unfortunately, he passed this a cool idea for a man.
	Are these popular?
	Would you buy one for your husband's slash B?
	Hang on.
	I want to finish this real quick before we get into that.
	So let's just have the girls.
	Here, really, really quick.
	Just a show of hands.
	Would you be cool with this?
	Would you do it?
	Do what?
	Hail and well met.
	Lol Paladins donated $100.2 cents.
	Thank you, lovely.
	This scamming prostitute is so messed up with her genetics, she herself would likely essay and take advantage of anyone she runs across that is weaker than herself.
	Because that is what she already does.
	I wasn't a prostitute.
	Let's just make that clear.
	Okay, so I would, well, yes, I think tripping is prostitution, but I guess we can leave that for right now.
	I would like to dive into your question.
	Your question was: what would I do if I was with a woman in the forest?
	Well, I would try to reason with her and say, listen, if we're going to have the best shot, we need to work together to get out of here.
	And then after assessing the situation, I would probably give her some tasks to do.
	If she refused to do the tasks, then I would likely abandon her so that I could get out of the fucking forest.
	It's past your.
	Yep.
	Or you could just stay for the rest of the show.
	Do you need to go get some insure?
	Yes, I do.
	It is past my bedtime.
	These old hags are going to get going.
	You said talent.
	We're not going to go for it.
	I'm going to wheel away on my wheelchair right now.
	Not going to go for too much longer here, guys.
	Let's just finish the show.
	I have a question on this.
	So, do you want to have kids?
	I have one, but yeah, I want to have more.
	Is your kid a boy or a girl?
	That's a girl.
	Now, if you do you want to have more kids?
	Yeah.
	It's possible you'll have one, two.
	How many more kids do you want?
	Like two more.
	Two more kids.
	So if they're both sons, you're willing to say that under your roof of raising them, they have an 80% chance of becoming.
	No.
	Ah, what makes you stand apart from all the other women who are raising men to become 80% chance of being grapists?
	But you, what percent chance if you had to put a number to it, what percent chance will your sons be grapists?
	I would raise them with like real core values in like a Christian household.
	But I thought it seems like you're making the argument that this is just something that's innate in men.
	They were inclined to essay women.
	Yeah, if you have 10 sons, you're saying that 10 of them are going to be grapists, by the way.
	10.
	Or I'm sorry.
	If you had 10 sons, you're saying eight would be grapists.
	If it's 80%, 10.
	All right, I mean eight out of the ten.
	I mean, this hypo, hypo, hypothetical, hypothetical.
	Hypothetical.
	Yeah, hypothetical.
	Yeah, this hypothetical, I mean, you're not really giving any, like, anything except the fact that you're spawning us randomly in a forest.
	Nope, we are giving you.
	And it's a random man.
	Yeah, I would rather pay.
	That's incorrect.
	We are giving you something.
	Asked you, how many men do you think in that situation would do this type of thing?
	You said 80%.
	But this was based on that, based on that, we can extrapolate.
	If it's 80%, that would encompass all men.
	If that is true, that all men at the level of 80% would essay a chick in the forest, then that would mean that eight out of the ten of the children you could potentially have would be grapist if they were men.
	I'm just going based off of the original question, which was a bear or a man, which I, yeah, I would think everybody's a man.
	But you had reasoning for why you chose a bear.
	Yeah, I would say that.
	And your reasoning was because you said bear.
	80% of men, 80% of men grape.
	That was your reasoning.
	If that is true, then you're admitting that 8 out of 10 of the men in your household are grapes.
	I'm also thinking of like secular men because that's kind of like the headspace I'm in right now in this podcast area, studio questions.
	Why?
	You said 80% of all men.
	Yeah, and I'm thinking of secular men.
	What?
	Okay, so how many Christian men?
	Probably less than 50%.
	How much less than?
	Less than, probably like 50%.
	Less.
	40.
	Like out of 10, possibly one or two.
	Possibly.
	Okay, so 20%.
	I just want to let you know, okay, that the staggering rate that you put at 80%, the deviation between men who self-identify as being Christian who grape and secular is not very wide.
	It's not very wide.
	I mean, as to be a statistical anomaly.
	It's that close.
	In other words, your chances, if you're a Christian going up of you graping versus being secular, it's not very wide.
	Again, I just was going out of the context of me thinking about 80% of men that I encounter on a daily basis, which most of them are secular.
	Do 80%, have you been essayed by 80% of the men that you've encountered?
	I've been verbally, like sexually harassed, yeah.
	By 80% of men.
	80% of them.
	Outside, yes.
	That's why I personally didn't want to come here by myself.
	My boyfriend's outside.
	I don't like living in my house alone.
	Okay, so even if we consider catcalling within this, 80% of men catcall you?
	80%?
	It's not just cat calling like verbally, it's the looks.
	It's the 80%.
	So hold on.
	Cat calling and then like everything worse than cat calling.
	80% of men do that.
	Less now that I only go outside with my boyfriend, yeah.
	But when I go outside alone, yeah.
	It's 80% of men.
	Yeah, when I would, I would go outside.
	You go out, so just like going to Trader Joe's, 80% of the dudes, yo, what's up?
	I've literally been in the Starbucks line and gotten cat called from like outside.
	No, like in the drive-thru.
	Was it 80% of the men in the Starbucks?
	It was in the parking lot.
	That's it.
	No, no, no.
	Fine.
	Yes, it happened.
	One guy at Starbucks said that.
	Was it 80% of the men?
	You need to be consistent here.
	It's just like the fact that from my view, yes, 80% of men are dogs in the secular world, yes.
	So, but 80% of the men that you see at Trader Joe's, Starbucks, wherever, they're cat calling you or worse.
	Yeah, worse, because I feel like looks are the same as cat calling.
	A guy looking at you is a guy.
	It's not just like looking.
	It's like the sexual enduendos they're making while looking at me.
	Okay, so.
	Okay, okay, hang on.
	I'm not even willing to entertain this.
	If a man is looking at you in a way that you consider to be lustful, is that sexual assault?
	It's sexual harassment.
	How is that sexual harassment?
	Because if you're publicly willing to make those type of gestures to a woman in public, like no, what type of gesture?
	He's looking at you.
	I don't want to make the gestures on camera.
	Dude, I don't know.
	I don't know.
	That's not my question.
	My question is: if he looked at you, looked, just looked at you in a way that you thought was lustful, is that sexual assault?
	It's harassment.
	Is it assault?
	Okay, no, it's not physical assault.
	Okay, so then when you say SA, when you say we're talking about sexual assault, you say that you think that 80% of secular men would sexually assault you.
	We're not talking about them looking at you in some whatever bizarre way you think that that means that they want to sleep with you because that could mean anything.
	And women are often delusional and overestimate how good they look, as you can clearly see from this panel.
	So the thing is, I just wonder, right, from the SA perspective, do you honestly think that 80%, 8 out of 10 men, if they're trapped in a forest with you, would SA you?
	Did we not just get down to 20%?
	No, we didn't.
	I said secular men, not Christians.
	Yeah, 8 out of 10 men, I feel like, would do that, and not just to me, to like, if it's their type of person, yeah.
	Do you realize that if you were to even take 20% of the men of the United States, I'm not even sure.
	I'm not even sure what percentage of that would even be capable of sexual activity.
	You're talking about men who are in their 60s, 70s, 80s.
	There's only so many men who are even fit to do this.
	The age bracket that you're talking about, probably that you're envisioning somewhere between like 16 and 40.
	Eight out of 10 men doesn't even come close to encompassing this.
	That's why I'm like if you did, how could you even come up with this as a rationale?
	Because you said random man, so I'm thinking logically like the man I picture, right?
	The random 100% of the entire pool, which is going to include everybody from every age bracket who's a man, 18 plus.
	80%.
	You're including 100-year-olds, 90-year-olds, 80-year-olds, 70-year-olds, 60-year-olds.
	I like that you get to put a box around what it is and the amount of men and the ages and all of these different brackets.
	But when I'm clearly telling you, this is what I think, I can't do that.
	Because I'm saying, yeah, that doesn't even make sense.
	That doesn't make sense.
	I'm giving you clear criteria.
	That's what I'm saying.
	When you get to know that, 100% of men are all men, right?
	Obviously, 100% of men are all men.
	Yeah, there's only going to be X amount of men who are even capable of doing that.
	Literally, not even 8 out of 10 men could be capable of doing that.
	I don't even think it's possible for them to even be capable of doing that.
	Andrew, just grant that, just grant that they're capable.
	Yeah, okay, I guess we will for the sake of argument, but it's so illogical, it's hard for me to even grant it.
	Let's even grant, look, they're 18 to 50-year-old able-bodied men.
	Let's just grant that.
	What percentage of those men do you think?
	Is it 80% still?
	Specifically me?
	I don't know.
	Like probably like 40.
	What you said 80?
	Yeah, I was going based off like if I'm just being like a woman, would I rather pick a bear or a man?
	I think it would be safer for a woman just to be with a bear than a man.
	Okay, but so that's sure you said 80%, but now you're saying 40%.
	Because he's making it very specific to like me.
	I just to you.
	Yes.
	If I were to be spawned in the middle of a forest, I would rather just pick a bear.
	Okay, but how did you jump from 80% to 40%?
	Because if he wants to, like, he was taking his criteria like out.
	So it's like, yeah, like you also are trying to like say, oh, well, if these men are like 80, they're not being able to do this and that.
	And it's like, okay, well, you want to make it so like small of, I'm taking out Christian men.
	I'm taking out men that have value, like secular men, right?
	Okay, here.
	The way I framed it was able-bodied men between the ages of 18 to 50.
	Yeah, so now I'm adding it in to the Christian men being in this.
	That's why it goes down.
	Okay, let's take out the Christian men then.
	Then you have the same answer.
	Okay, 80%.
	Okay.
	So then you're willing to.
	So 80% of atheists are grapists.
	80% of atheists in your worldview, you honestly believe that 80% of people are going to essay a random woman in the forest if they have the opportunity.
	I just want to make sure I got this clear.
	Yes, if the opportunity is there, you don't know what people are capable of.
	No, I think I do know very well what people are capable of.
	If everybody.
	But I also understand when people aren't capable of logic.
	That's how I know that I know what people are capable of.
	How many, can I ask you, how many men do you think would be essaying women if like the whole world kind of just shut down and there's no law, there's no nothing.
	It's just like a high, like a, what is it, like a hierarchy?
	Less than 1%.
	Far less than 1%.
	I wouldn't even say a half a percent.
	And you have to understand the inert safeguards.
	You have a father, right?
	He passed.
	Okay, but you did have him?
	Somewhat.
	You agree that most fathers don't essay their daughters?
	Most fathers don't essay their daughters, right?
	Yeah, most.
	Yeah, okay, but they have all the opportunity to do so, but they don't.
	But when you have a genetic bond to someone, you're less likely to.
	No, even with stepdaughters, they don't.
	Most do not.
	The overwhelming vast majority do not.
	And they're not genetically related then.
	But they could.
	The opportunity is there, but they don't.
	Men are not so predatory as you're making them out to be, not even close.
	It's kind of, it's actually absurd that you would even believe that.
	Why would you believe you have brothers, all sorts of men who have been in and out of your life to think that eight and ten of them would just grape a random woman if they were in a forest with them?
	That's that is because I've seen the opportunity they take it.
	What opportunity?
	To do what?
	To essay someone.
	I've seen it more times than not that when men have that opportunity, they will take it.
	So, do let me ask you a question.
	Do women, have you ever seen a woman rub a man or put her hands on a man even though he hasn't actually given any verbal consent to do that?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Is that SA?
	No.
	It's only SA when a man does it, right?
	I'm talking about like full on SA.
	Okay, so you're talking about like full penetrative sex, right?
	Against your will.
	Okay.
	So if this is the case, then you would have to say that eight and ten of your family members, eight and ten of your male family members, of Brian's male family members, of all the women who are sitting here, eight and ten of their male family members would grape a random woman in the forest if they could.
	Does that even sound reasonable to you?
	Probably not.
	Yeah, probably not.
	It's a little out there, right?
	I actually just want to hear this.
	So you said 80% of men, so this would amount to about 110 million men are inclined, are essentially grapists.
	Is this just like in America?
	Yes.
	Yeah, in the U.S.
	The male population of the United States, are you confident and prepared to state that 110 million men in the United States are inclined to SA women?
	With the growing climate of society, probably like that in like 10 years, 15.
	Wait, what do you mean?
	Growing climate of society?
	Like just the way I think that kids are going right now?
	Like it's more.
	I could see what happening if society stays the way it is and gets worse.
	Wait, you think now are more inclined to violence in schools more than they were when I was like in high school, middle school.
	And I actually.
	The violence rates have gone down across the board.
	The violent, in fact, inside the United States, especially since the 60s and 70s, violent crime has drastically kids' violent behaviors in school settings.
	Okay, here.
	Do you mean crimes?
	Those are crimes.
	And they're recorded crimes, right?
	In fact, I would say inside of a school that those are the most recorded crimes.
	If violence happens in a school, it's the most reported type of crime, probably.
	Well, actually, teachers have less.
	Okay, no, no, no.
	I'm sorry.
	I got to bring it back.
	All I simply want is.
	No.
	No, what?
	No, to what your question is.
	Well, I'm not going to be able to do that.
	I don't even get that question.
	How can you say no?
	Okay.
	Because he's asking about the 10-year-old.
	Yes, okay, yes.
	Yes, to whatever your question is.
	I mean, that's just absurd.
	He's asking about the 100 million men in America.
	You said 80%.
	It's pure math.
	Okay, I just said no.
	So how can your statement of 80% be correct?
	So it wasn't.
	What?
	It wasn't.
	I was going to say, that's fair.
	You can revise it.
	Hang on.
	You can revise it.
	That's fair.
	What would you revise it to?
	What's the revised percentage?
	40%?
	Yeah, sure.
	Okay, so 40%.
	40% of, say, 140 million men is.
	Oh, sorry, Frick.
	And are you?
	56 million men.
	Are you still doing like the age brackets or no?
	Just all.
	Just all men.
	So 40% of 140 million men is 56 million men.
	Are you prepared to say that 56 million men who live in the United States are inclined to this level of criminality?
	Dude.
	I would like to hope not, but at the same time, like I feel like it's possible.
	Can I ask a question?
	Okay, um, so like, you know how you said that a guy would like essay you if given the chance?
	So let's say you said you did like the stripper thing, you gave them the chance to, did they without your consent?
	Well, I was, I mean, you're there in a bikini, so they take that as given the chance.
	That's why I said, but did they take that?
	I didn't let them, but you know, I got physically pushed into walls because I didn't let them.
	I got pushed, pulled, like, but would you say you put yourself in that situation?
	Yeah, I put myself in it.
	Melanova donated $100.
	Oh my God, this chick is so deluded.
	You walk through a grocery store and four out of five men cat call you.
	Megan fucking Fox would get cat called by 10% of men.
	You just fucking hate men.
	Actually, I'm going to have to agree with Melanova here.
	It is impossible.
	I think that it could never be demonstrated in a million years.
	I think we could run the experiment 80,000 times plus of putting you in a random grocery store, and there is no possible way eight out of 10 men even acknowledge that you exist.
	I don't think that two out of ten men would even acknowledge that you exist as you're walking through a grocery store.
	I don't even think two out of ten would.
	In fact, I'll do one better.
	I will literally, anywhere in the United States, and the crucible will fund this, take you to any grocery store that you pick.
	And if two out of ten men cat call you, I'll give you $1,000.
	You want to take that bet?
	I don't need $1,000 that bad.
	Actually, $10,000.
	We'll do $10,000.
	You think two out of 10 men in any grocery store that I take you to in the United States are going to cat call you?
	Just two out of 10?
	Not cat call, but look at yes.
	Okay, you want to take the bet?
	Sure.
	Okay, so then if you lose, I get 10 grand.
	Old Man Maureen donated $100.
	If I essayed you in the forest, I would also have to analyze you, probably burn your body and hide the remains.
	If I saved you, I would be a hero.
	This is the logic men would come to in that situation.
	Well put, Old Man Maureen.
	And I'll add on.
	So we used to, like on whatever channel, we used to do these hidden camera videos.
	We'll film this experiment, hidden camera.
	And I'll put up the hang on, I'll put up the cash.
	The Crucible will put up the cash.
	If you go to any random grocery store right there in Santa Barbara, you can pick.
	Okay?
	If two out of ten men in that grocery store cat call you, we'll put up the 10 grand.
	And Brian will have it all on film.
	Does it have to be in Santa Barbara?
	I don't want to drive out here again.
	I mean, even on the street, like even if you were on the street, I can't imagine it would be as high as you claim it would be.
	Okay.
	I just think, honestly, it's just like the amount of bias that people have towards men is kind of crazy.
	Do you hate men?
	No.
	But you think 80% of them are grapists?
	Do you hate grapists?
	Oh, yeah.
	Do you hate people who are inclined to be grapists?
	Well, I would.
	What do you mean?
	Would you hate a man?
	Let's say he hasn't committed the crime, but if given the opportunity, he would.
	And if 80% of those are like, right?
	Is the crime only being as do you hate grapists?
	Yeah.
	Do you hate men who would be inclined to be grapists?
	If they haven't committed the crime, they haven't done it, but if given the opportunity, they would.
	Would you hate them?
	Or do you hate do you hate men that would be inclined to do it?
	This is actually a total checkmate.
	If a man is inclined to rape a woman, if he had the opportunity, would you hate that man?
	Well, yeah.
	You would hate somebody who's inclined to do such a thing, right?
	If they wanted to do that, if they had the opportunity.
	And you think 80% of men are inclined to do that.
	In that situation, 80% of men.
	I don't hate men.
	So you hate men essentially.
	Hate men.
	Yeah, well, you hate a majority of men.
	Okay, but we also brought it down to like 40 and not.
	No, but you said overall it's 80.
	Okay, but we brought it down to 40.
	But that was like if you only look at what Christian men?
	No, that was you putting the math of like how many men after you said it was, I don't know, you brought up the math for the 80% and then I dropped it down to 40%.
	I don't know why the number would matter.
	Because I had to like realistically think of the number.
	I wasn't thinking of the number when I first gave the answer, obviously.
	So 56 million, you know, that's reasonable, but 100 and I don't know, 10 million, that's just, no, it couldn't be 110.
	But 56 million, that's, yeah.
	Look, just say you hate men.
	I don't hate men, though.
	Well, you're kind of walking back your original position.
	Which is.
	If I hated 40% of women, would that mean that I hate women?
	You know, you hate 40% of women.
	Would I not be a woman hater?
	No, you hate 40% of women.
	What is the point?
	Okay, what if he hated 99% of women?
	Would he hate women then?
	I guess.
	Does a percentage matter?
	Like, if you hate even 1%, you hate women.
	Yeah.
	It's the same thing.
	Because I hate specific men does not mean that I hate all men.
	But if 80% of men fall into the category that you've made, then you.
	But this is just all hypothetical, right?
	So hypothetically, sure, you want to get your argument of I hate men, sure.
	I hate men.
	I hate men so much.
	I mean, you can be honest.
	I don't.
	You don't?
	No, I don't.
	I mean, wouldn't it be hateful to like have this.
	I don't know.
	I gotta say, like, I'm just gonna be real here.
	From your perspective, you thought eight out of ten men would grape you.
	Yeah, this was like obviously what you're thinking.
	Yeah, I know, I know, but hate me, because you guys wanted to take it to like the limits.
	If I thought that eight out of ten women, right, would rob me, eight out of ten women would rob me if they could, I think I would hate all women.
	Okay.
	I mean, that would be reasonable, right?
	Okay.
	Well, I'll move it on from this, but I do think it is pretty objectionable to think that I think it would just be more sense for him to hate women that would rob him than saying he hates 80, like all women.
	No, I just think it's kind of crazy that you have this pretty wild bias against men.
	Okay, one day you have sons.
	Do you think you would be happy for your sons to grow up in a world where all women think that there's an 80% chance that your sons essay them?
	Do you think that's a good world for men to live in?
	They probably wouldn't be in an area of thinking that, or like around women that think that.
	What do you mean?
	That's their own mother does.
	Not, see, that's what I already said.
	I brought it back down to.
	Okay, 40 is still objectionable, but okay.
	And I think you only brought it down because you were receiving so much pushback.
	It was that I didn't realistically think of the number I was saying.
	Obviously.
	Are you sure you're even thinking about the new number that you're thinking about?
	40%, 56 million?
	I said originally, like, out of 10 men.
	Out of 10 random men, yeah, I'm sure that there are probably four random men that would do that.
	Okay, I mean, the.
	I just want to let you know that there's an 8 out of 10 chance that your boyfriend is going to be a grapist.
	Okay, well, I mean, I don't know where else to go.
	With your revised number, that's actually better, though, right?
	Because then there's only a four out of 10 chance.
	By the way, I just want to let you know, like, I want you to think about this.
	Let's say I came to you with 10 M ⁇ Ms, okay?
	10 MMs, and I'm going to explain to you how many of them are poisonous.
	If I were to tell you that four out of the 10 MMs were poisonous, what do you think your chances would be that you picked up one of those M ⁇ Ms and ate it and you died?
	It would be pretty terrifying, right?
	I wouldn't touch them.
	Right, you wouldn't touch them.
	Which is why we don't believe you, because I wouldn't think that you would touch men if you actually thought that four in 10 were grapists, let alone eight in ten.
	TTS is 69.
	We're going to wrap up here pretty soon.
	We're not going to do like the lower tier, like this is the last TTS drop.
	$69 roast session, if you want it.
	I'm going to adjust a couple things.
	Going around the table, do you consider yourself a feminist?
	Starting with you, and we'll open it up to the whole panel.
	no no no no no no no no Andrew what's your definition of feminism My definition would be a rejection of patriarchal systems and a movement towards equality or egalitarianism.
	Going around the table, do you reject patriarchy?
	Patriarchy, meaning men are at the head of systems.
	Oh, right.
	It means of the father.
	Men are at the head of systems.
	No, I don't reject that.
	No.
	No.
	Nope.
	No.
	Wait, rejecting it means that I don't think they are.
	No, you don't.
	No, it means that you don't want them to be.
	You don't.
	Like you're pushing for equality.
	I don't know.
	Is there a patriarchy?
	Why don't we start there?
	Is there a patriarchy?
	I think there's a better way to frame this.
	Let's try it this way.
	Men are at the head of systems at the expense of women, meaning that if all men decide that women are not to be at the head of any system, then women aren't allowed to be.
	That would be patriarchy.
	Do we say yes or no?
	Would you be against patriarchy then?
	Yes, I would be.
	Yes.
	I'm not against it.
	Not against it either.
	Oh, okay.
	Well, I'll move on to a different topic then.
	Let's see.
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	I just have to point out that the chick on the right said she's volunteered at a church a lot lately, but said earlier that she didn't know the name of it.
	I said I wasn't going to say the name of it.
	I know the name of it.
	Yeah, I did think she was.
	That's true, but to be fair to the chatter, while I think the chatter is slightly confused, and I don't think you should say the name because it could dox you, I do think that if you were a part of this church and volunteering at it often, you would know the denomination it was.
	Are you Calvinist?
	Are you Baptist?
	Presbyterian.
	Are you Forest Square?
	Are you Presbyterian?
	You know, like, what are you exactly as far as Christianity?
	Baptist.
	Are you a Catholic?
	No.
	I grew up Catholic.
	I'm not Catholic.
	Okay.
	Astrazorian?
	Is that one?
	Is that a?
	Is that it?
	What's the one you said with the P?
	I've asked before they said it.
	Presbyterian?
	I think Presbyterian.
	Oh, Presbyterian.
	I've asked before because I wanted to know, and they didn't really give me an answer.
	How did they?
	They just told me that we're just, you know, disciples of Christ.
	Word?
	Mormon?
	Okay, anyways.
	Who's the primary victim of war?
	men or women.
	Gotta pick one if you have to pick one.
	Victim of war?
	Yeah.
	W-A-R.
	Yeah.
	Who's the primary victim of war?
	Men or women?
	I guess men, because they go out to war more than us.
	Men.
	Men.
	Actually, women.
	Sorry, repeat that.
	Women.
	Okay.
	If you get deeper to it, because I mean, if a man dies, yeah, he's a victim of war, but then, like, his family suffers afterwards.
	Which would include the children.
	Yeah.
	It's kind of like everyone.
	You can't really pick on that one.
	What do you mean, pick on that one?
	You can't, like, pick a man or woman because everyone suffers.
	But.
	So asking the primary victim.
	So let's assume.
	I guess in men, because they die.
	Yeah, so I mean, the scenario I was about to give was just: let's assume the man doesn't die instantly, and instead he's in the no man's land, and he gets a bullet to the gut, but the enemy can't finish him off.
	But he's out.
	His fellow soldiers can't come and rescue him, and he's in the no man's land, and he just kind of sits there while there's bullets whizzing by in the mud, in the damp mud, bleeding out, and he survived, but he survives for about 10 hours.
	He's just, you know.
	Men.
	Okay, that makes it easy.
	All right.
	Even if women get that seed during war, still men?
	Or does that change?
	Still men, the victims?
	Primary victims?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Here's one.
	My chat.
	Killing me now.
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	One more.
	Yo, thank you, Melo.
	Appreciate it.
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	Love you guys.
	I love the idea of volunteering at a church that you don't know what they believe or who they are.
	Lull.
	Okay.
	I think we just don't really pick a denomination is the thing.
	Okay.
	All right.
	That's fine.
	It could be non-denominational.
	Thank you, Melanova.
	Appreciate it, man.
	Are men or women physically stronger?
	Men, Could be both.
	Hold on.
	Generally speaking.
	Have you not seen those built girls?
	Yes, there are some women who are going to be stronger than some.
	Biologically?
	Yeah.
	What do they mean?
	Biologically, how people are.
	Are most women stronger than most men?
	No.
	Wait, hold on, hold on, hold on.
	Are most women stronger than most men?
	No.
	Okay, let's dive into this then.
	Let me have the girls here answer first.
	Yeah, men are physically stronger.
	Men.
	I don't understand.
	I think, Brian, maybe you misheard her.
	Yeah, I was going to say that.
	You asked her, do you think that most women are stronger than most men?
	And she said no.
	No, I thought I said, are most men stronger than most people?
	No, it goes the other way around.
	Sorry, guys.
	Brian.
	So I was like, wait, don't attack me.
	Nope, you're all good.
	You just misspoke.
	No people.
	Okay.
	But so.
	Like, biologically, when they're born, yes.
	Guys are stronger.
	But some are super stronger.
	Adulthood?
	It depends.
	Like, some guys, like, generally speaking, are adult men stronger than adult women?
	Yeah.
	Oh, okay.
	All right.
	So we're the original.
	Well, because some girls are built, you know?
	Sure, yeah.
	There's definitely some women that are strong.
	In adulthood.
	But even if, like, a man and a woman were to work out the same, what do you think would be stronger?
	Let's do this.
	Can you be sexist towards men?
	Starting with you.
	What do you mean?
	Actually, let me start with a different one.
	Can you be racist towards white people?
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	As a black man in the Midwest, according to scary movies, we are the most in danger in the forest.
	I am still alive, though.
	Bears are delicious, cookthorily, or you'll get worms.
	God bless.
	Yeah, that is really weird, to the credit of this super chatter.
	When you watch horror movies, for some reason, when it comes to the American black male, they tend to die the most in the forest for reasons I don't actually understand.
	It's super weird.
	I think all these black people die for that.
	Oh, can you be racist towards white people?
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	All right.
	Thank you, Jim.
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	Can you be racist towards white people?
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	Chat is simping for the chick next to Brian.
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	Middle chick authority?
	I'm talking about you.
	Middle chick authority, what the fuck?
	What do you mean?
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	Okay, all right.
	I don't know.
	They're simping.
	I don't think you can be racist to white people.
	Okay.
	Yes.
	No.
	Well, race, white is not a race.
	So there's reverse discrimination.
	Are there is black?
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	Hold on.
	ALR Fury, the last one, and I gotta go to bed.
	Appreciate all of you doing the show.
	W, all of you.
	W. Hope you all find a nice husband.
	Thank you, Hillary.
	Appreciate it.
	Hillary Epstein.
	Appreciate that name, man.
	You said, wait, you said white people are not a race.
	Well, white, the technical term that you're using is white.
	So Caucasians.
	Wait.
	So there's Irish, English.
	Well, those are ethnicities.
	Oh, God.
	I mean, American is an ethnicity, right?
	Okay, so if you're...
	Into the mic.
	So you can scoop.
	I'm going to say yes, then.
	There is.
	Okay, hold on.
	So white is not a race.
	Is black a race?
	African American.
	Well, what about black people that aren't African Americans?
	Jamaicans.
	Yeah, there's all different forms of nationalities.
	Hold on, let me ask you a question.
	So if somebody were to say, I don't like, I gotta be careful, because otherwise it's gonna get clipped.
	How do I fucking frame this?
	Without getting clipped.
	If someone were to say, I don't like this person based on their skin color and this person happens to be black.
	Would that not be racist?
	That is racist.
	So replace black with white.
	Would that be racist?
	Well, yes, then.
	Okay, confused about the whole white, not white, black people.
	Because from the progressive mindset, race doesn't exist.
	It's a social construction, Brian.
	That's why.
	Can you be racist towards white people?
	No.
	Can you be racist towards black people?
	Well, yeah, I think so.
	Okay, white people, like, okay, this is going to sound weird, but I'm like saying it from the perspective of a white person.
	Like, every single white person I know, including like myself, my family, everybody I know, has not experienced racism.
	Like, nobody's going and being like, oh, like stereotyping white people racistly, if that makes sense.
	Does that make sense?
	So let's say a black person never experienced racism.
	Would that mean that you can't be racist towards black people if an individual black person did not experience racism?
	That's fair.
	Okay.
	I just think it's like it's a lot less common, and I feel like it's like white people.
	Oh, wait, I shouldn't say that.
	Sure.
	Look.
	I don't want to get clipped either.
	No, I actually don't think there's anything wrong with the statement you're about to make.
	That perhaps it's the case, that certainly some races may experience racism to a higher degree than other races.
	I don't think there's anything wrong with the statement you're about to make.
	I don't know.
	It's just like, I'm just going to say, like, I think it's less likely, and it's like, okay, what are you going to say?
	What you said is, but okay, the question is, can you be racist towards white people?
	Not you specifically.
	Yeah, I guess.
	When I say you, I mean people.
	Sure.
	Can people be racist towards white people?
	Sure.
	You're walking back your position, but okay.
	I think, yeah, because you could be like, oh, that's white trash.
	Or you could be like, oh, you're white, so you're rich.
	So it's like, you could be racist in that.
	Sure.
	Okay, I'll skip you guys because you guys are just the help or whatever.
	Wait, so I think you said no.
	You can't.
	Yes, no.
	No, but switched?
	No, but switched.
	No, I said yes.
	Yes, you can be.
	Okay.
	So can't be racist towards white people.
	Can't be racist towards white people.
	I feel like white people don't take it as offensive.
	They take it as a joke.
	That's like a compliment.
	What I was trying to get at more, not necessarily as like a compliment, but like sometimes I'll hang out with my friends and like they'll pay for me and they'll, like, one of them will be like, well, you should be paying white girl.
	I'm like, okay.
	Like, I don't know.
	So you have racist friends?
	Do I have racist friends?
	Yeah, I mean, that's literally an overt act of racism towards you because you're white.
	I don't consider it racist.
	Like, what happened?
	Well, what else could it be?
	I'm sorry, can you repeat what happens?
	I was just saying that, like, sometimes I go with my friends and like one of them will pay for me and they're like, Latina, right?
	And like another one will be like, well, you should be paying white girl.
	I'm like, yeah, okay, like, I'll pay you to raise your hands.
	Yeah, so that would be racist.
	I don't, you know, I guess it's like how you take it.
	You know, I don't take it as racist.
	I think it's more funny, and I think that's what I'm saying.
	Do you think that racism is dependent upon how a person perceives the thing?
	Guys, I'm too young.
	Would you take it as racist?
	It's like, let's say, like, didn't see you as a rich white girl.
	Let's say they saw you as trash white girl.
	Oh, like, of course, I'm paying for you because you're a trash white girl.
	You can't afford it.
	Then would you consider that racist?
	No, I would just.
	It's really interesting.
	I'm sorry that you've been victimized by racism like that because you're white.
	It's pretty awful.
	It's pretty awful that you have friends who say that you should pay just because you're white.
	That's pretty racist, I must admit.
	Would you be offended if that happened to you?
	Yeah, well, what I would look over at him and say, why?
	Why would that mean that I need to pay for you?
	And then I'd probably call them a dumb fuck and talk a bunch of shit to them and then tell them they were retarded on their way out the door.
	But the thing is, is why would it necessitate because I'm white that I would need to pay for somebody who wasn't white?
	How would that be anything other than racist for somebody to even assume I should?
	I don't know.
	I just like...
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	The only way her math checks out is if she is in a sex count.
	Hey, lady, if no one has told you you are in a sex count.
	I'm definitely not in a sex cult.
	I don't think that was towards me.
	I don't think that's turned into a.
	Oh, oh, shh.
	Well, uh.
	Is there, I think we asked the question about the white privilege.
	Yeah, I was going to bring that up.
	Okay.
	Yeah, because like I think everybody said yes.
	White privilege to the white privilege.
	What's that?
	You could be ugly and white and not have any privilege, but black and beautiful and have privilege.
	White privilege does matter.
	Even being Latina, you know that like lighter-skinned Latinas get more privileges than the darker ones.
	Okay.
	I don't know.
	So can you be sexist towards men?
	Oh.
	Um yeah, I guess yes, 100%.
	Lost half the panel here.
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	So prejudice plus power is equal to what?
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	Thank you, man.
	Appreciate it, bro.
	Appreciate it, dude.
	Okay.
	Word.
	Oh, do you think white people have culture?
	No.
	No.
	I would say there's different ethnicities within the like race white that do have different cultures.
	Like how she was saying, like Scottish people, Irish people.
	I think there's like different aspects.
	Do black people have culture?
	Yes.
	Do white people have culture?
	In short terms, yes, I would say yes.
	In short terms.
	Like instead of me going on to like the different branches of like Caucasian being white, I would say that there is culture in every single race.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Yes.
	You guys can pass almost.
	Wait, no and no.
	So white people don't have culture?
	Well, I was now that I'm thinking about it because my ex lived in Arkansas, he was white on white, even though he was English, Irish, whatever.
	All that.
	But you're not going to donated $69.
	Brian, you pronounced Celtics Celtics correctly.
	Which is just in America for some reason they pronounce Celtic Swithens.
	Well, Celtics is in America, so.
	Period.
	I got it.
	Right.
	Wait, oh, Nick, could you pull up that meme where it's like one person and then the crowd of people and it's like, yes, you're all wrong?
	Do you know what I'm talking about?
	This is.
	Wait, there's another one, too?
	Yes, you're wrong.
	It's like you, but blonde.
	True.
	Wait.
	What's the other one?
	Yes, you.
	This is me.
	This is me with the Celtics.
	Okay, all right.
	So wait, white people know culture or what's that?
	Yeah, they have culture.
	Oh, you just said they you just said that they don't.
	Yeah, I changed my mind because I have to go.
	Bye.
	I'm out of here.
	That's a rage.
	Rage quit?
	Yeah.
	No, I gotta go.
	Rage quit.
	Hi.
	Okay.
	Well, I'm this is.
	I gotta go.
	This is ridiculous.
	Okay.
	Can we have whoever's left?
	Let's just have her come back to the table.
	We're gonna wrap the show up.
	Guys, if you want, get last minute.
	They can't be able to get it.
	Sure, you can be racist to white folks.
	If they're cool, they're racist right back.
	How I found most of my drinking buddies and my wife.
	Every porch monkey gets a skinwalker, and we all laugh.
	Wait, what?
	No, I get that.
	Wait, what?
	Wait, what?
	She's a skinwalker because.
	I don't even know.
	That might have been a little fucking crazy.
	Okay.
	Brian, was that an age quit?
	Age quit.
	Yeah, it was an age quit.
	I think they got mad because we said it was past their bedtime.
	Oh, I don't know.
	Yeah, they dipped.
	She had to go get her insured, bro.
	I was about to wrap anyways.
	I don't know what that means.
	Guys, so if you want, get your last-minute messages in right now.
	And trying to think.
	What else?
	It was a rage.
	I think Age quit rage quit.
	Get him in, boys.
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	Last call, boys.
	For the littles, all tens on the eyebrow game.
	Really?
	I think you are Delulu Brian.
	Claudia is also on point.
	Last call.
	You did not rate Andrew.
	Hashtag eyebrows matter.
	07.
	Yeah, I'll rate Andrew really quick.
	So like current Andrew, like his eyebrows, I give him like a solid, like 8.33 repeating, but like pull up his young photo.
	1010 GigaChad.
	1010 GigaChad eyebrows, young Andrew.
	Sorry, Andrew.
	Look, it's just aging, you know, aging.
	You lose a little bit.
	A little gray in the eyebrows.
	You're a little gray in the eyebrows.
	What can he do?
	What can he do?
	You're a little gray in the eyebrows.
	It's all good, though.
	But solid, like 1010, GigaChad, one young, 8.33 repeating, of course, in his current final form.
	So.
	Last call.
	Get the TTS in.
	What else?
	I think, oh, there's a bunch.
	Okay, hold on, guys.
	Any final thoughts before we wrap the show?
	Oh, do you anybody here think that me and Andrew are misogynist?
	Why don't we end with that?
	What is misogynist?
	Is it a misogynist?
	It's like...
	Oh, wait, actually, you probably...
	No, you can define it.
	I was going to say demeaning to a woman.
	Oh, boy.
	Is that the wrong definition?
	Demeaning to women?
	What's your definition of misogyny?
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	80% of men are grapists.
	I'm glad her soul is saved because her brain is unsalvageable.
	Uh...
	So, just classic misogyny would be men believing they're superior to women.
	Okay, yeah, that's better.
	So, would you consider myself or Brian to be misogynists?
	believe that we are superior to women.
	Nick, before you leave, could you just show them how to pull up Twitch really quick?
	Hey, guys, go to twitch.tv slash whatever.
	Drop us a follow in the prime sub.
	Last call on the Twitch.
	Guys, twitch.tv slash whatever.
	Drop us a follow and a prime sub.
	If you have one, yo, guys, thank you for the primes.
	Guys, it's been, damn, bro.
	These guys are really quick with clearing out the bugs.
	Ninja Bear, thank you.
	Oh my God, the follows are on fire.
	Yo, guys, thank you for all the follows over there on Twitch.
	And also, if you're watching on YouTube, open up into the tab, go to twitch.tv slash whatever.
	Drops the follow, drops the prime sub.
	If you have one, thank you guys.
	Appreciate it.
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	I don't know, so I'm being cringe.
	All right.
	Yeah.
	Where were we?
	I was wrapping the show.
	What were we talking about?
	You were misogynist.
	Oh, are we misogynists?
	All right.
	Am I a misogynist?
	I don't know you, so I can't really answer.
	What about Andrew?
	What about that guy over there?
	I mean.
	This guy right here.
	Boom.
	That guy.
	Is he misogynist?
	Again, I don't know you guys personally, so I don't know.
	Big Late May Matter.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Final thoughts from anybody before we wrap the show?
	You want to tell us about your embarrassing date story that you forgot about?
	I did actually.
	Oh, you did?
	I forgot then.
	I fucking said that.
	Okay.
	Hillary Epstein donated $69.
	Oh, those are the things that I'm going to do.
	Those who saw him racist, my bad eye thought agent.
	You shouldn't just assume.
	Yeah, please don't assume her race.
	You racist?
	Hillary Epstein?
	Epstein?
	I don't know.
	All right, guys, meeting all of you tonight.
	I really appreciate you guys coming on the panel.
	I know it can be a little bit long, but it's a lot of fun.
	Old man donated $69.
	Roth PSA is my brother from another mother.
	I won't date a woman with bad or weak eyebrows.
	Hashtag eyebrows matter.
	They do.
	Word.
	Word.
	Before we rewrap, can we convince you to make restitution to the guy?
	Huh?
	Sorry.
	What did you say?
	Can we get you on a payment for the end to pay this guy back the $250,000 that he's got?
	If he wanted it, sure, but he doesn't want it.
	Like I said, he's still trying to give me money.
	Stones, no, he doesn't.
	I don't want it.
	Game of Thrones reference.
	Okay.
	No?
	No.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Well, we're going to do a Twitch raid.
	Let me get that sorted while this comes through.
	Daniel Cook donated 69,000.
	Thank you, brother.
	Appreciate it.
	Can Maddie sit in the chair the old Asian lady was sitting in?
	I just want to confirm if the camera was making her look chubby.
	Do you want to go sit over there, Maddie?
	Guys, she was not chubby.
	She was actually very petite.
	She was not.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Let me see really quick.
	I'm going to do a Twitch raid for somebody.
	We're going to do Twitch raid.
	Who am I going to raid?
	We're not going to pull it up on screen, but I just want to get it prepped.
	Uh-huh.
	All right.
	I'm not even sure if I'm going to raid anybody.
	I'll just raid that guy in a bit.
	Okay.
	So, one sec, guys.
	Are we good?
	Okay, yeah, we're good.
	Okay, guys.
	So.
	Oh, I need to.
	Hold on, guys.
	Sorry, I'm going to set up a raid for Andrew.
	I'm going to do a quick raid.
	Andrew uses $200.
	Make sure you put your race in your Twitter bio and email signatures so that people don't accidentally call you the wrong race.
	It belongs right after the preferred pronouns.
	Oh, is there such thing as male privilege?
	Is that a thing?
	I think so.
	Okay, the reason I think this is because of, and this is all I'm going to say on it, is like the wage or gender wage.
	Oh, boy.
	That's what I'll leave it at.
	The wage gap, male privilege.
	That's what it's called.
	Yeah, if they're cute.
	Male privilege.
	Is there male privilege?
	I'm trying to think of like a situation.
	I don't think so.
	Oh, okay.
	Okay.
	I think they're just.
	I think there's female privilege.
	I think there is, but I also think there's some male privilege.
	And I think female privilege is way more powerful than male privilege.
	Yeah, agreed.
	In my mind, I think so.
	You don't think so?
	Maddie disagrees?
	Well, let me introduce you to Andrew Wilson, who's going to debate you on this for two minutes.
	No, like, not even that, but I just see male privilege as more powerful.
	More powerful?
	Because I see males more often in authority, and I don't hate that.
	Like, I support it.
	You know what I mean?
	I don't know if that makes sense.
	Feel like this is an L, rare Maddie L. You know what I mean?
	No.
	No.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	I mean, what's what?
	I don't know what the L is either.
	She says men are more often in positions of authority, and she supports that.
	I mean, that's like the opposite of an L, right?
	That's why male privilege is more.
	No, but she's saying about this within the context of male privilege.
	That's why I think male privilege is more powerful than female privilege.
	That's what I was saying.
	But so you're saying, but like the privileges that women have, are they earned privileges?
	No, I think they're just given.
	Whereas when men are in positions of power, is that given to them or is it earned?
	Earned.
	Okay.
	So the privilege.
	But when they do earn it, they have a lot more power.
	It's a lot more powerful than women in.
	Well, okay.
	It's more admired.
	I hate that I have to come to the defense of any of you, but I think that Maddie just worded this wrong.
	Yeah.
	Honestly, I think that she just worded it wrong, right?
	So when you're thinking about privilege, right?
	Because I've heard you say this before.
	You think that men and women just have privilege in a different way, right?
	Is that correct, Maddie?
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	So if they do, you can't say that a man who's in a position of authority has any more privilege than a woman who's not in a position of authority, but society kind of kisses her ass, right?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	So I just think it was bad wording.
	Yeah.
	My verbiage is not on point.
	By the way, Andrew, I saw.
	Maddie's my misogynist.
	She is my misogynist.
	I mean, you're Caucasian, Brian.
	She's my misogynist.
	Oh, there you go.
	I don't know if I will.
	Maddie the misogynist.
	We're going to get you there, Maddie.
	I need to get some.
	I'm going to debate university courses before I claim misogynists.
	There you go.
	By the way, guys, do you like Maddie on this side?
	She's normally like on this side, but like, do you think is this her angle?
	Like, is this a better?
	This is your bad side.
	I don't know, honestly.
	I don't want that for her.
	I don't know.
	All right, guys.
	GG, well played to the panel.
	Last call.
	Hit the like button, please, on your way out.
	Thank you all for tuning in tonight.
	You could have been anywhere in the world, but you're here with me.
	I appreciate that.
	Thank you to everyone who super chats donate.
	And support the show, just like La Paul.
	Because men who don't have power are completely invisible to women.
	Hashtag ho underscore math the rate Madison L. W. Homath in the chat.
	I know.
	That's a good YouTube channel.
	We've had him on the show.
	We'll have him back on again.
	But like, most men don't have any power.
	That doesn't mean I don't acknowledge them.
	Yeah, no, just pointing out most men.
	No, I agree.
	Like, they have no power whatsoever.
	Like, most men don't have any don't tend to benefit from the quote-unquote system by virtue of them being men.
	Yeah.
	Like, for example, okay, last thing.
	If I grant, if I grant that the top percentage of men occupy these best positions, you know, the CEOs, they have, they're politicians, they have the power, whatever, there's a far larger subset of men that occupy the absolute worst positions in society.
	This is why you see, for example, what's the gender distribution in prisons?
	What's the gender distribution when it comes to homelessness?
	What's the gender distribution when it comes to people who take their own lives?
	It's overwhelmingly men in all these statistics, overrepresented in self-deletion, prison, and homelessness.
	So, yeah, a couple men have it really good, but like a fuck ton of men have it really, really bad.
	Whereas I'd say on average, women tend to enjoy, they don't have those fancy executive positions, although that's changing.
	They're not having these positions of power, but they do tend to generally enjoy a higher generalized quality of life.
	Yeah, I think that is kind of why I also said that when they are privileged, it's a lot more powerful because it's harder-earned and word, yeah, W, Maddie, I guess.
	Okay, um, we let's see.
	Uh, thank you again to everybody who super chats, donates, and supports the show.
	Your patronage means the world.
	We are viewers supported, so really appreciate that, guys.
	We will be live again Tuesday at 5 p.m. Pacific.
	Oh, yeah, got a really big guest coming on Tuesday, Daily Wire guest.
	That's gonna be a good show.
	Uh, Andrew will be joining us later on in that one.
	And, but so.
	Well, you know what?
	I won't say anything.
	Come to whatever and watch that show.
	It's gonna be a good one.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Let's not disclose.
	But so be sure to tune in for that show on Tuesday, Daily Wire Guest.
	Any girls who want to be on the show, DM out whatever on Instagram.
	If you can make it to Santa Barbara, 07's in the chat.
	Let me just make sure everything here is all set up.
	Drop us.
	Yeah, thank you, Keegan, for that last minute.
	Oh, yeah.
	If you got a Twitch, if you're on Twitch, drop us a follow in the Prime sub.
	If you have one, like the video on your way out, Big Labia Mattered, follow our Discord, discord.gg/slash whatever.
	DebateUniversity.com.
	If you want to become a master debater like Andrew, and Andrew, when we send you over to his stream, I think he's going to have a couple words.
	He's going to tell you a little bit more in detail about the Debate University, the verbal combat program.
	If you want to become a master debater like him, you got to be sure to check it out and listen to what he has to say.
	We're going to be doing a redirect over there to Andrew's channel.
	So if you're watching on YouTube, hang tight.
	We're going to push you to Andrew's channel.
	While you're over there, drop him a sub too.
	Drop him a sub.
	Okay.
	Like the video, guys, on your way out.
	07's in the chat.
	I hope you guys have a very good night.
	Let me do the raid really quick to dude.
	I'm going to raid Summit 1G.
	Summit.
	That's going to go off in 10 seconds.
	Then we're going to wrap up here.
	So good show, guys.
	Good show.
	Did we forget anything, M-Dog?
	Drama.
	I don't think so.
	Oh, the drama?
	Shit.
	Might have to wait until Tuesday.
	Sorry, boys.
	Address the drama.
	I got it.
	I've already kept these people here too long.
	I'll have to do it on Tuesday.
	Hopefully, Tuesday show, but time permitting.
	Okay.
	Anything, Maddie?
	Oh, I got to send the raid.
	Okay.
	Thank you guys for watching on Twitch.
	Sending the raid now.
	Sending you to Summit 1G.
	Thank you guys for watching on Twitch.
	Guys, on YouTube, like the video on your way out.
	I'm sending you to Andrew right now.
	So, sorry, guys, Nick left, so I'm kind of like multitasking here.
	07's in the chat, guys.

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