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SHE CRIED?! Men INSECURE About Body Count?! NYC Gold Digger Has Roster Of SIMPS?! | Dating Talk #187

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	Hi, guys.
	I'm Jess Peachy.
	I'm 25.
	I currently live in Las Vegas, Nevada, and I'm a full-time content creator, streamer, and I do OnlyFans.
	All right.
	Welcome.
	And the tattoos.
	You got a couple cool tattoos.
	Yeah.
	I've got, you know, the OG3, Squirtle, Bulbasaur, Charmander.
	And then you've got a Warcraft Warcraft.
	I do.
	I get a lot of heat for this because I have Alliance and Horn.
	I played both.
	We all played both.
	Are you a classic Andy or are you play retail?
	I never got into it with classic.
	I think I started around like Lich King, Cataclysm.
	Okay.
	And then the upper class chest, what is that?
	What does it read?
	It says presque-vu.
	It's French.
	It means almost seen.
	Presque-vu.
	Presque-vous, yeah.
	Almost seen.
	Almost seen.
	What's the meaning of that?
	It's like on a deeper level when you're about to realize something like really big, this like epiphany, and just as you're wrapping up the thought, you lose it and you forget it.
	Wait, and so that's what that means, or that's the explanation behind the text?
	That's the explanation.
	Okay.
	Well, it's the definition.
	It's what it is.
	Does it have any practical meaning for you, though?
	I got that feeling a lot.
	You have an idea, then you just forget it.
	Like, just I. How do you say Alzheimer's in French?
	You should have just got that put on your chest.
	Alzheimer's, yeah.
	Isn't that the same thing, right?
	You come up with an idea, but then you forget that shit.
	It's very sharp.
	Yeah.
	We're going to.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Okay, cool.
	Cool.
	What about you?
	Hi, my name is Isis.
	I'm from New York.
	What's another thing I need to answer?
	I'm 27.
	I do TikTok.
	My username is Isis Hong, I-S-I-S-H-O-N-G.
	I'm also a software engineer.
	Software engineer.
	Okay.
	So you got a degree in computer science?
	I got a degree in biochemistry and computer science.
	I did too.
	And then you're also a ballerina, is that correct?
	Yeah, I do dance.
	But I wouldn't call myself a ballerina because they put so many years of actual hard work into that.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	So are you going to show us a plie or?
	I can do a split, but I don't think.
	You can't do plie?
	What about a pirouette?
	It's just like when I'm nervous, I feel like it's not good to do those.
	Okay, that's fair.
	And you said you're from New York City, right?
	I'm originally from China.
	My parents are Korean, and I moved to Seattle when I was 15.
	Now I live in New York.
	How did you end up in China?
	So my mom is North Korean.
	My dad is South Korean.
	They met in China because my grandparents came from North Korea and South Korea.
	And I was born in China.
	That's why I was in China.
	Gotcha.
	And then you said you from China, you moved to the US, was it?
	Yeah, when I was 15.
	15.
	So you went to high school and you moved straight to New York or where were you?
	No, I didn't go to high school.
	I went straight to college when I was 16 and I did five years of college.
	That's why I had two degrees.
	Then I started working for five years in Seattle.
	Then I moved to New York two years ago.
	Okay, got it.
	Yeah.
	Okay, cool.
	Welcome.
	Yeah.
	What about you?
	Hi, my name is Tamara, better known as the Dutch Jessica Rebbets.
	I'm from the Netherlands for the people that do not know what the Netherlands is, Amsterdam, drugs, stuff like that.
	Hold on, there's more to the Netherlands than Amsterdam.
	A lot of people do not know.
	I say, I'm from the Netherlands.
	They're like, what?
	And then I'm saying, oh, Holland.
	They're like, what?
	And then I say, Amsterdam.
	They're like, oh, you do drugs?
	And I'm like, no, but do you want to buy some?
	You know, I'm very open.
	I'm 28.
	I'm an adult industry content creator.
	And I'm also a student.
	I'm studying legal administration employer.
	Okay.
	I think that's the name for it.
	Got it.
	And you're born in the Netherlands.
	Yes, absolutely.
	You said you were involved in the adult industry?
	Yes.
	I mean, Netherlands has a pretty robust escorting prostitution.
	I started.
	Red Light District at all?
	Oh, no.
	Oh, that's so weird.
	When you are going to school in the Netherlands, where you're very young, like 12, 13 years old, you have school trips.
	I don't know if that's a thing here, school trips.
	They take you to the red light district just to watch and see it.
	Like, oh my god, this culture.
	Just for fun.
	Wait, so how old?
	Like, young.
	It's not like you're going to work here or something.
	No, it's just like a cautionary.
	No, the Netherlands are very open-minded people.
	We are roasting people just for fun.
	We do not have that kind of feeling.
	So, like, oh my god, that's offensive.
	We do not have that.
	We will just roast you.
	But they like take kids to the restaurant.
	They will see it, right?
	They will see it on the television and stuff.
	So we're just like, we're going to Amsterdam.
	It's a part of Amsterdam.
	We're going to walk through it, laugh at those people, and then they get out, get an ice cream or something.
	I've been to Amsterdam like three times for work trips a long time ago.
	And I mean, it's actually really easy.
	It's pretty much right near the city center.
	You can just stumble into the rocks.
	It's just a normal street.
	And the women are beautiful mostly as well.
	I don't know.
	A lot of from Russia and stuff, I think.
	They're very beautiful, actually.
	But it's just in the street.
	You have like this shopping street, and it's just in the back of it.
	It's like naked.
	Yeah.
	But a lot of people are very open in the Netherlands.
	You can walk naked in the Netherlands and they're like, oh, it's fine.
	It's another Tuesday.
	It's fine.
	Sweet.
	Cool, cool.
	Is this your first time in the US?
	It is actually.
	Oh, wow.
	Okay, welcome.
	So if you have any recommendations, let me know.
	I want to see everything.
	I want to see the people, Walmart.
	I want to see everything.
	What a burger.
	Yeah, those are the most important things.
	I want to see fake people.
	I want to see everything.
	I want to see everything.
	Have you ever been to Zachenberger?
	No, we do not have a lot of fast food restaurants at all.
	We just have a Burger Game KFC, like a little subway, but not like the main museum.
	When I was in Amsterdam, there's this good burger place called Zachenberger, like right by the city center.
	Then you suck your burger or something.
	What do you think?
	Zachen.
	Oh, Z-A-K-E-N.
	I never heard of it.
	But as a Dutch version, we do not even go to Amsterdam a lot because there's a lot of tourists there.
	It's not really Dutch anymore.
	So the Dutch people are more like, hmm, Amsterdam.
	It's nice for a one-day.
	No, we just go there if we want to be a tourist in our own country.
	It's very weird, actually.
	Okay.
	We do that here too.
	Really?
	Yeah.
	People go to New York.
	Americans don't leave America.
	Yeah.
	But I have.
	We go on vacation in our own country because we're not.
	It's such a different view of America.
	I just saw America on Netflix and I just romanticized everything.
	And I just arrived here.
	I saw people screaming and I saw people sleeping on the street.
	I was like, what the fuck is going on here?
	And it's like, yeah, I don't know.
	I love it.
	I love it.
	Cool.
	What about you?
	I'm Vivian.
	I'm 18.
	I'm from San Francisco originally, but I moved across the bay.
	Oakland?
	Yeah.
	Next to Oakland, Orinda.
	It's like a suburb of Oakland.
	Okay.
	What do you do for work?
	Well, school?
	Well, I have like an internship with like a private or like a small like record label, Firebird Sound.
	And I would like to do music, but it's more of like a hobby.
	So I will be working at Pete's probably.
	What's that?
	Pete's Coffee.
	Oh, okay.
	Nice.
	On your Instagram, it says you're a member of the Deep State.
	What does that mean?
	Oh.
	Well, that just means like I'm just recognizing that Curtis Anders Corley on Number donated $200.
	It's almost the first anniversary since Leila confessed her love to you.
	BTW, if Leila and Bree asked you to join their work team and you'd make $1 million yearly, would you do it?
	Happy anniversary.
	Curtis, you and your like, would you questions?
	Yeah, it is.
	Is it the anniversary?
	Yes, sure.
	I will join the Torque team for a million dollars.
	Actually, no, I'll negotiate it.
	The deep state thing, so is it just like Gen Z Edge Lord stuff?
	No, it's just like a small recognition of Alex Jones.
	Just a small homage, like just Alex Jones homage.
	Yes, about the things that he turned out to be right about.
	Are you a big Alex Jones fan?
	No, because.
	Oh.
	so it's a homage but you don't like him i think that he's like well i i like him as like a character you know okay Okay.
	To watch.
	So the homage is what exactly?
	Oh, the homage is just to the things he was right about.
	Like, because he like kind of predicted 9-11, and I don't know if I can say the other ones that he predicted.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Cool.
	Because it's like.
	What about you?
	Me.
	Hi, I'm Lucy.
	I'm 19.
	I'm from Los Angeles and I'm a student.
	All right.
	What do you study?
	I'm still kind of figuring that out.
	I've been in the arts since I started school.
	I wanted to get a bachelor's in visual art, but I'm more interested in film now.
	Are you at a city college or four-year university?
	I'm doing community friends.
	Okay, you're just doing some credits.
	Yeah.
	Undeclared major.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	Oh, wait, actually, Lucy, on your Instagram, it says, will have her revenge.
	What does that mean?
	Uh-huh.
	Okay.
	So, yeah, that's some definitely like teenage edginess type.
	I don't know.
	I kept it up for a while.
	I probably did that a few years ago, but it's from the Nirvana song, Francis Will Have Her Revenge on Seattle, or Francis Farmer Will Have Her Revenge in Seattle.
	And I don't know, I had like a spiritual connection with that song or something when I was like 16.
	Yeah.
	But I still, yeah.
	I love the crunch.
	All right.
	And you have an interesting Sternham tattoo.
	We can't really show it.
	Oh.
	What's the story there?
	Not much of a story.
	I just thought it was sick.
	It looks cool.
	Yeah.
	Got paid and wanted to get a tattoo.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	My name's Alexa, and I'm from Baltimore, Maryland.
	I'm 21 years old, and I do OnlyFans and content creation.
	And I'm also a student.
	So I study advertising and PR and I also do marketing.
	You said 21?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	As of like two weeks ago.
	What about you?
	I'm Maddie.
	I'm 27.
	I'm from Dallas, Texas, and I run a thrift store for the deaf community.
	And as we know, I think it's the only deaf thrift store.
	Like we're the only one that does that.
	Okay.
	How about you?
	I'm Lauren Coffey.
	I'm a singer, songwriter, model, and actress.
	All of them creative things.
	I'm from Nottingham, but I live in London.
	Age?
	30.
	Alright.
	And were you recently on like a reality TV show?
	Yes, my evin.
	I was on Blue Therapy, yeah.
	Okay.
	And you said you're a singer?
	What kind of what genre of that?
	I sing mostly RB, but with the songwriter, it'll be like with rappers or house music.
	I've got some house songs out there.
	Bit of everything.
	Can we hear a little sample, a couple bars?
	Someone give me a song, because I'm so indecisive.
	Alicia Keys.
	Which one?
	Follow me.
	No one buying got you.
	Oh, beautiful song.
	Wait, wait, give me the lyrics.
	Wait.
	Some people live for the fortune.
	Some people live just for the fame.
	There you go.
	Wow.
	Thank you.
	Cool.
	Amazing.
	I'm Shane Smith.
	I'm 37.
	I'm from Utah, and I'm a comedian.
	All right, welcome.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Welcome, Shane.
	And you always lived in Utah?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, I pretty much grew up in Utah exclusively.
	I lived in like Mount Arrowhead here in California for a little bit.
	Okay.
	And I'm sure people might be curious.
	So, what's the genesis of all the tattoos?
	Yeah, my family is white trash.
	I grew up in the middle of nowhere.
	My stepfather was in a motorcycle club, and so me and my brothers kind of went that route in our lives.
	And so, yeah, I had full sleeves in my neck and stuff when I was 18.
	Wow.
	Were you affiliated with the motorcycle?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Are you still or how?
	No, no, I am not.
	I am out good.
	Okay.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Cool, cool.
	Do you still have the.
	I saw Sons of Anarchy 10 years ago.
	I've never seen it.
	No, no, you don't keep your cut if you leave.
	Okay, got it.
	Cool, cool.
	What about you?
	I'm Dominica.
	I'm 22.
	Right now, I'm just at school, cosmetology school.
	I used to be a gymnastics coach, though.
	That was like really fun.
	So, yeah, life is just mid right now.
	Life is mid?
	Oh, no.
	I live right now.
	And where are you from?
	Did you?
	California.
	So LA area, I guess.
	All right.
	And you're in cosmetology school.
	You want to do hair, makeup?
	What do you want to do?
	Yeah, I enjoy doing hair and makeup.
	I guess like events like weddings, proms, things like that.
	Okay, cool.
	Well, we're going to go around the table once more.
	What is everybody's current relationship status?
	So are you single, talking stage, situation chip, friends with benefits, relationship, married, polycule sex, cold harem, whatever it may be?
	If you're single, how long have you been single?
	And what's the longest relationship you've ever been in?
	Go ahead.
	I am single.
	I've been single for about two and a half years now.
	My longest relationship was five years.
	Was that the one that ended two and a half years ago?
	Yes.
	So that was from like 18 to 23, kind of?
	Yeah.
	End of 2017, December.
	And then July of 2022.
	Were you guys both like last year of high school?
	I got married at 18 out of high school.
	Yes.
	Okay, so you guys were married?
	Yes.
	For five years?
	Yes.
	And the divorce is official or still in the works?
	It's waiting on a signature.
	Okay.
	Who initiated the divorce?
	It was me.
	Why?
	There's a lot if you go all the way back, but essentially it boiled down to he didn't want to be married.
	He said he didn't love me while we were married.
	But then every time I would say, well, let's stop wasting each other's time, he would kind of like pull back and be like, no, don't leave me.
	And there was infidelity, and so it just got to a point where I had to leave.
	It was not, I was trying so hard to make it work, and it just.
	How long had you guys been seeing each other before you got married?
	About a little under a year.
	Okay.
	And you said he enlisted in the military?
	Yes, he was a Marine.
	When you met, or?
	He was training to.
	ROTC?
	He didn't do ROTC, but he was working out with them.
	He knew he wanted to join.
	So I was aware of that.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	And any relationships?
	Well, wait, so you've been single for 2.5 years, and that's since the divorce?
	Yes.
	There's been no other guys in the picture?
	No.
	Nothing?
	Zero?
	Come on.
	Not a short-term thing, friends with benefits?
	No, I haven't really seen anybody.
	Since the divorce?
	What about during the proceedings, during the divorce?
	During the divorce.
	During the relationship.
	Any infidelity on your part?
	Yeah, they're, so, it's a long story.
	He cheated on me with my best friend.
	And.
	And.
	Watch!
	It's about to get juicy.
	Best friend, eh?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	And how long were you best friends with the best friend?
	Friends with the best friend?
	We were friends for a couple months, but she was my best friend that I had made in my adulthood.
	Okay.
	And, you know, it's military.
	You move away from everybody you know, and you're kind of like in your own separate bubble.
	You're not with your family.
	And, you know.
	Right.
	So, yeah.
	And then, so she cheated on you, and so you were like getting revenge, or who cheated first?
	Yeah.
	He cheated first for sure.
	But I. Did you fuck his dad or something?
	God, no.
	That would be great.
	Her boyfriend fucked the best friend.
	I don't know.
	That would be great.
	There was another guy who kind of was like, you know, he's not treating you right.
	You deserve better.
	You know, all that.
	And.
	Was he your friend?
	No, he was one of his friends, actually.
	Yeah.
	That's messy.
	So sorry.
	Darkness.
	And he tried to get me to leave the relationship and be with him, but I saw him like break down when I told him I was leaving.
	And I'd never actually seen him fight for me at that point.
	And I thought, like, what kind of wife would I be if I didn't try to stay and make it work?
	And he said, you're going to last like another two years, his friend.
	And he was right.
	And so, let's see here.
	You.
	Were there multiple different partners when it comes to the cheating, or just this one guy?
	No, it was just that guy.
	And then did you end up dating that guy?
	No.
	So it was a couple short-term thing?
	Yeah.
	And then you've been celibate for 2.5 years about?
	I have been with one person, but not for a while.
	You haven't seen him for a while?
	Yeah.
	How long were you seeing him?
	Are you still seeing him?
	Like, probably like a couple months.
	Are you still seeing him?
	No, I'm not.
	So you guys broke up or fizzled?
	It wasn't really a relationship ever.
	Okay, so you've been single, well, it wasn't a relationship, but okay.
	Yeah.
	No serious relationship for 2.5 years.
	Yeah.
	You said you do adult content.
	Do you shoot scenes with men?
	I have in the past.
	I don't currently do that.
	You have shot scenes.
	And was this through your OnlyFans or you've done traditional porn?
	No, I haven't done traditional porn.
	It was through OF.
	Okay.
	And you said with a couple men or just one man or one guy?
	Was it the guy who for a couple months that you were?
	Yes.
	Okay, got it.
	Can I ask a question before?
	Ask me a question.
	Oh, okay.
	If that's okay.
	Yeah.
	You said, what kind of wife would I be if I do not fight for a relationship?
	Yeah.
	If you do not fight for the relationship, if you look back at that time that you cheated, do you regret it?
	Because that's not really fighting for your relationships, right?
	I do, yeah.
	Did he know?
	He did.
	So, so he's not gonna find out from me.
	This is such a situation.
	Like, he was trying to get us into like polyamory at some point because he couldn't be monogamous.
	The last gasp of a dog.
	But with your business, and so he, I say I cheated, but he knew that I was with him.
	Like, it's, but I consider it it was cheating, you know?
	So, all right.
	What about you?
	So, currently, um, I just started dating someone, but I think it's getting serious.
	I don't know.
	We should have a conversation, a check-in.
	Uh, well, my longest relationship is five years, um, from when I was 18 to like 18 plus five.
	What's the other question?
	That's it.
	Uh, how long have you been?
	If you're single, how long have you been single?
	Oh, I'm not single.
	Yeah, I just started seeing someone.
	How long have you been seeing this guy?
	Um, like two, three months, but we don't really see each other very often because he's really busy.
	I've been really busy and traveling.
	So, I'll be like, we don't see each other sometimes in like two weeks.
	Yeah, so that's hard.
	Yeah, so it's a bit slow.
	When you say it's starting maybe to get serious, what does that mean?
	Like, I'm ready to have sex with him.
	That's so cute.
	That's so cute.
	Hold on, wait, you're ready to have sex with him?
	Yeah.
	You guys haven't had sex?
	No, but next time, I'm thinking about it.
	Wait, how many times have you seen each other in person?
	More than a dozen, but I don't know, like every week.
	We try to every week, but there are times that's like two, three weeks.
	We don't see each other.
	So, you've seen him about a dozen times?
	More than, yeah, I guess.
	Why are you so surprised?
	Well, there's things that I'm okay.
	Well, so hold on, why are you surprised by my surprise?
	Because you look like why didn't you have sex yet?
	Three months.
	Well, I mean, I know you're a man, right?
	And I get it.
	I feel like that's kind of like I do not suck dick for a living.
	That's not what I do.
	But that's another story with commentary.
	Why do you look so surprised?
	Well, if you wanted to wait, maybe see a family.
	Wife, I don't know.
	Okay, so anyways, it's very romantic.
	I think it's so romantic.
	He's a man of wings.
	Well, enjoying himself and absorbing the information.
	It's just men always disappoint me.
	It's like I have my vibrator.
	I can't guarantee I have orgasm every day.
	Why would I have to go out to meet a guy to like pretend to enjoy it?
	You do not want a real dick.
	When I don't feel love yet, you know, like when I truly feel like, okay, you know what?
	When I cuddle you, I still feel satisfied.
	Okay, let's do that, you know?
	But otherwise, it's just a waste of my emotion, my makeup, and my hair, you know?
	And then you could get attached too.
	Yeah, exactly.
	We biologically release oxytocin to get touch with them, and that's just unfair.
	Yeah, but I understand, but are you not scared if you saw me in love with him and everything, and you finally have sex, and he's like a small dick?
	No, I touched him the first date.
	Oh, you touched him the first date, but now you're waiting.
	It's like torture.
	That's what you're doing.
	That's torture.
	Can you tilt your mic down a little bit?
	She's done everything.
	Tilt it down.
	And has this, does he want to have sex?
	Yeah, yeah.
	I think so.
	Like, he's on me all the time.
	And you're like, let's wait.
	Yeah, until I'm ready.
	He's very respectful.
	Yeah.
	But he's interested.
	Like, he's made moves and you're like, no, let's wait.
	Yeah.
	Have you had sex with a man quicker than 12 dates?
	Yeah, of course.
	Have you had sex with a man on the first date?
	I've had one night stand before, yes.
	A couple one night stands?
	Yeah.
	Second date?
	Second date.
	Yeah, I think so.
	Third date?
	Probably, yeah.
	Fourth date.
	I mean, if you keep going, we can't go ahead and get it.
	I don't know.
	Fourth date.
	I don't know because I can't tell you like what if you keep going, it'd be like 20, 30, 40.
	So I don't remember.
	You just dick, and then you were like, no, not today.
	No, like when you're making, you do the test, you know, like, like, is it this?
	Like a blue balls.
	Like, you can't give a hand job.
	Oh, I don't have to give a hand job.
	I'm gonna ask you a question, dude.
	Yeah, Shane.
	Yeah.
	If, let's say you're like hooking up with a girl, but she doesn't want to do anything like too far, but hand jobs on the table.
	I don't know about you, dude.
	I'd rather just not get the hand job.
	No, that's not my experience.
	I'd rather just not.
	Like, if a hand job is all that's on the table, I'd rather just not.
	You know what I mean?
	Then you're just lazy.
	I mean, I get where you're coming from.
	You know what I get?
	But I feel like most guys are so desperate.
	They're like, anything, just anything you have.
	I'll dry hump you.
	Please let me know.
	Oh, they literally dry hump you.
	Me.
	Yeah, they dry hump all the time.
	Oh, like, not one person.
	I'm like, I've had experience.
	Like, I don't want to have sex.
	Have you ever seen?
	I don't dry hump somebody.
	I'm from Utah, brother.
	I have dry humped a lot.
	I guarantee you, every man has dry humped.
	There's one day you will dry hump, but you'll regret this moment.
	What is dry humping?
	Can somebody film it?
	Is it like?
	That's when you make out your clothes or 10 or 10.
	And you're having, you're essentially having sex, but your clothes are still.
	So you were looking like a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a shit.
	Oh, what's it called?
	Like crime.
	Are you going to ask about soaking?
	Have you ever seen?
	I have not soaked, but that is a real thing.
	Are you a Mormon?
	I'm not Mormon.
	I'm Catholic.
	Have you ever been so horny, you just rub your jeans against something?
	Like, that's I have.
	So that's the feeling of dry humping.
	No.
	I want to go home.
	I never.
	I never done that.
	No, actually, no.
	She would actually have sex.
	But so I'm curious.
	So, and are you religious?
	Are you religious?
	No, I'm not.
	So, and then the guy that you saw before, like, have you been seeing other guys during this time period?
	Actually, not.
	Actually, I haven't.
	It's not because I haven't tried, but just because I haven't.
	Tell them the truth.
	Isis, you tell them the truth.
	Okay, yeah, I have.
	You've been seeing other guys, right?
	Well, no, I have been.
	I've gone on like first dates.
	Gone on dates?
	Yeah, I've gone on dates.
	Did you guys have any of them?
	No.
	You're not doing Isis?
	You're not doing the test?
	Tell me the truth, huh?
	You're not doing the test on any of these guys?
	I am doing the test on the streets.
	Oh, but I'm not sure.
	But I made out with them, but I didn't have sex.
	But do you also feel their dick?
	What?
	Well, yeah, if they're small, it depends.
	I mean, if it's like three, I might not see them.
	But it also depends.
	Like, maybe they're not hard at that moment.
	So it just, I need more data to prove.
	But what if I need to go on more?
	Wait, did you actually even say that the size matters?
	Is that?
	Size matters.
	Okay.
	But so if you like, you go for that immediate grab and it's not like up to par, do you just leave or do you like kick it for a bit?
	I would say it's not that big.
	And then see how he reacts.
	You can see it in his face.
	You can tell.
	I've done that once at a bar.
	There's a guy who's really cocky.
	So he was really cocky.
	He was like, oh, you know what?
	Come home with me.
	I have this, this, that, that.
	And he was like gesturing down there.
	And I was like, okay, then let me see.
	Let me see.
	If you gesture and let me see.
	Okay.
	And then he scooted over a little bit.
	It was at the bar.
	So underneath the table, I just grabbed it.
	I was like, I don't know what I'm seeing.
	Like, I don't have seen anything.
	What is a normal size for you?
	Like, if you held it like two.
	Yeah.
	I love this story about how this guy, you're like, oh, I totally dunked on him and he tricked you into grabbing his dick.
	That's what happens.
	That's his move right there.
	He's like, I did it.
	What an awesome night for me.
	That's awesome.
	Yeah.
	Well, I didn't grab his dick from the inside, just on the outside.
	It doesn't, it's still a win for the boys.
	I'm telling you.
	No guy cares about that distinction.
	Well, then, I'm very generous.
	You are, yeah.
	You are a very open person, actually.
	Yeah.
	Wait, so but while you've been so while this guy who you've been seeing for three months, it's getting serious.
	You have been going on other dates during this time period.
	Yeah.
	When's the last time you were on a date with somebody else?
	Like two weeks ago?
	Or at least, yeah, two weeks ago.
	Is it really that serious if you dated a guy, another guy, two weeks ago?
	You mean like another date?
	Oh, with a different guy?
	That was more than two weeks ago.
	It was like three weeks.
	Who was the same guy?
	It was two weeks ago.
	The guy who you're interested in, that was two weeks.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	No, I was asking, when's the last time you were on a date with like a different guy?
	Oh, that's at least like four weeks.
	Three weeks?
	Four weeks.
	Yeah.
	All right.
	And then end of July.
	I remember the date.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	So I guess so.
	To answer your question, why I'm a little surprised here.
	So she's not had sex with this guy.
	She's waited, it's been 12 dates.
	But you have actually no actual objections to sleeping with people quickly.
	That's where my surprise is.
	Yes.
	So it seems rather arbitrary that this guy who you actually like, he has to wait for sex, but all the other men who are not worthy of a relationship, you gave them the pussy right away.
	Because how do you reconcile that?
	I was at a different place back then.
	I used to be a serial dater.
	I had a lot more insecurities.
	I just wanted validation.
	So if I can get men's attention, even if they're ugly, sometimes I'm happy.
	But now I'm at an age where I feel pretty good about myself.
	I want to build a life.
	And I feel like my next person is going to be my husband.
	So, like, this has been, I've been doing this for a while now.
	So I don't feel like I can want to waste my time anymore.
	And it's not like, oh, I decided to be a good girl.
	It's not that.
	It's just I had enough trashy experience with men and I got enough attention that I'm like, I'm done.
	Like, that's over.
	So what's the dating while you're with him?
	Does he know about that?
	I don't think he objects to that because I think we never talked about it.
	But I'm looking for a husband.
	Yeah.
	If he's not good enough, if he's not good enough for me, then I can pick someone else.
	Before I'm committed in a relationship, everybody is fair game.
	It's the bachelorette for myself.
	What is good enough?
	Good enough is it's very hard to describe, right?
	First, you have to have chemistry, then you have to have money, then you have to have good personality.
	Do you find yourself good enough for a relationship?
	Hold on, hold on.
	You gotta let her finish answering the question.
	Go ahead.
	Yeah.
	We're listing the things.
	So chemistry, money, moral personality, family values.
	Yeah, those things.
	So the things that the family values, what are family values to you?
	Yeah, that's like, what are their parents like?
	Do they believe in monogamy?
	Or what's their experience?
	Have they cheated before?
	Or like, are they seeing therapy?
	Like, are they open to family therapy and couple therapy?
	If he's sleeping with other people right now, would that bum you out?
	Yes.
	Interesting.
	But you're grabbing people's penises on dates to see if they're bigger than three inches.
	Yes, that before.
	Okay.
	Before you're dating?
	It's only it's not that, oh, I'm gonna do that every time on the first date.
	It's like if we are making out and my hands just happen to be near his pocket, I mean, I might just grab a little bit, you know, measure.
	So there's no fault in that.
	He likes it, like you said.
	Do you ask before?
	You just.
	Why would I ask?
	Like he said, and I love it, right?
	I mean, like, sexual battery, but I mean, we're going off body language and you would rather.
	But I don't want to bum you out, but I'm going to be honest.
	I think that guy, I don't think making out is that big of a distinction from sleeping with someone.
	If I was like going on a lot of dates with a girl and we were really intimate, we were waiting to sleep together because it was really fulfilling to be with her.
	And I found out she was making out with other people, I would immediately never talk to that person for the rest of my life.
	Am I the only one who finds kissing more intimate than no?
	It's very intimate.
	It sets the mood, right?
	So I would find it more difficult if a man would say to me, I cheat because I kiss someone.
	That would hurt me more than some sticks he stick into somebody, I think.
	I do like the adult industry thing like you.
	And a lot of like creators, if you're doing a collab with someone, I feel like they don't kiss.
	So you can go meet up with this person and then you do the collab with whatever like corn star, whatever you want to call it.
	But a lot of them do not kiss.
	I mean, that's something I reserve more for somebody I'm actually interested in, like in a relationship, because it's like something more special for them.
	You know?
	Exactly.
	Well, we'll come back to some of those topics.
	We'll get everybody's relationship status first, though.
	What about you?
	I've been single for a few months.
	I had a very short relationship from one and a half months, two months.
	He was a personal trainer.
	He cheated on me with one of his clients, like the classic story.
	Very classic.
	Classic.
	They say it is, right?
	And before.
	Was he Dutch?
	No, he was from Belgium.
	I didn't even understand him because we had a different language.
	Very funny, though.
	Was it German-speaking or French-speaking?
	More French.
	Because don't they speak some parts of the world?
	Yeah, in dialect, French-ish.
	Yeah.
	It's very funny.
	And before that, I was single for years, actually.
	I do not do one-night stands.
	I do not do anything like that.
	So I was just totally single without any interaction or anything.
	Okay.
	All right.
	And the longest relationship?
	Nine months.
	Nine months.
	Okay.
	You make content with men?
	I have one.
	No.
	I have one movie with a person.
	Yeah.
	The rest I just post like lingerie pictures, stuff like that, solo content a lot.
	Personal videos, video calling, and stuff like that.
	I do not do a lot of collaborations, mostly because I want to see the earnings of the other person as well.
	It has to be a little bit equal, you may understand.
	Like a business thing.
	And I think it's hard to do collaboration.
	I'm always a little bit scared that somebody will like fuck me over a little bit.
	Did you set a price?
	And they will just post it earlier just to get more money out of it.
	I don't know.
	I'm just a little bit reserved on that.
	I do not have an agency.
	I do everything by myself.
	So I'm very conscious about it.
	Your relationship status?
	I am single.
	My longest relationship was like four months.
	And I've been single for like also four months or maybe three.
	Like since summer.
	What were the other questions?
	The one that ended three months ago, was that the four-month one?
	Yes.
	Is this the only guy you've ever dated?
	Dated, yeah.
	Okay.
	But you've had like situationships or shorter-term casual stuff with other guys?
	Yeah.
	Orientation?
	Um, I mean, that's a unsure.
	So you date women too, then?
	No.
	Oh.
	I don't know if I would date a woman or not.
	I don't know if I would date a woman or not.
	So you're curious?
	I curious?
	Have you like made out with a girl?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	I'm single.
	All right.
	As of, I guess, like the beginning of this year, my longest relationship was, I don't know if you could officially say like a year, but on and off, about a year.
	Finally, just kind of cut ties with him actually very recently, like for good.
	But well, you said you've been single for nine months, so when you say very recently, you mean nine months ago?
	No, because I was kept in contact, but after you guys split up, yeah.
	And you were on and off for one year?
	How many times were you on and off?
	This year.
	We were only officially together, I guess, a total of like seven months, you could say, in between then, like hooking up a little bit.
	But so how many times you said it was on and off.
	How many times was it?
	Was it on?
	Was it on and off?
	Within a year, like three times.
	Who would end it?
	Me, eventually.
	Who would go back to who?
	Me, but you would end it, but then you'd go back to him.
	Why would you end things?
	I'd get fed up.
	About with what?
	He's a serial cheater and a narcissist and a master manipulator, but I wasn't strong enough to call it quits for good at the time.
	So when you say narcissist and master manipulator, let's start with narcissist.
	So what did he do or what was his conduct that made you believe he's a narcissist?
	Well, pretty much as soon as we got together, he moved in with me.
	I took care of him.
	I paid for everything pretty much.
	And I found out that entire time he had been literally since day one serial cheating on me with everyone and their mother.
	I found hundreds of DMs, videos, pictures, everything you could possibly imagine.
	And yeah.
	I was just, I've always been curious about that.
	Why did you have to tell yourself to be okay with paying for everything for him?
	Or like taking care of him?
	I did the same thing.
	I just folded for him every time.
	Yeah.
	I'm a little curious.
	It's sad.
	It's pathetic.
	But you're quite young.
	You're 19.
	I assume when you guys were dating, you must have been 18.
	Yeah.
	Were you living with your parents?
	I was, yeah.
	So he moved into your parents' house.
	Wow.
	Wow.
	Was he like homeless?
	Or what was it?
	Yeah, kind of.
	I mean, I'm assuming your parents had to agree to this arrangement.
	They did.
	They didn't like him, but you know.
	But so you just met him?
	And so how soon after meeting him did he move into your house?
	We didn't like fully move in.
	He had a place with his aunt that he was kind of like in and out of.
	Or no, he did have a place, but he ended up getting kicked out, and that's when he started living with me.
	So, but when you say he was living with you, he was there every day spending the money?
	Most of it, yeah.
	Was he in your bedroom?
	Yes.
	Hold on.
	My house.
	My bedroom.
	Yes, but my parents' house.
	Are your parents still together?
	Yes.
	Wow.
	And both your mom and your father live in this house?
	Yeah.
	And wait, so okay, how long after meeting him did he like kind of start moving in?
	Like a month.
	I mean, this is a failure.
	No offense to your parents.
	This is not a fair term.
	No, none taken.
	I'm well aware.
	There's no scenario.
	I mean, at that point, I was 17 almost 17.
	That I'm letting her boyfriend move into my house.
	Listen, they'd been through a lot with me at this point.
	Like, do I want to talk about that?
	Tell us about that.
	I'm not so sure.
	I don't want to take up so much time.
	Give us the plot synopsis, reader's digest of my life, of my problems.
	Sparks notes.
	How I've, all the ways I've traumatized my parents and my adolescents.
	Best parts.
	Alright.
	Let's go, Netherlands.
	We can start with: I got kicked out of school for doing cocaine when I was 16 and sent to wilderness therapy, which is actually where I met this lovely lady.
	Oh, right.
	Did you guys go to Utah?
	We went to the same one.
	We went to the same one, but then we ended up getting sent to a therapeutic boarding school in Montana, like 10 miles south of the Canadian border, like literally butt-fucked nowhere.
	Nice.
	Wait, so you went, you guys met at boarding school?
	Yeah, we met.
	And you guys were both like 17 at the time?
	Yeah, I was 16, turned 17.
	You both did cocaine or what?
	No, no, no.
	That's just me.
	Oh, she didn't meth.
	So hold on, let's go back to your role.
	Heroin's more of her jam.
	What's hero?
	I'm kidding.
	I promise.
	What was it that got you landed in boarding school?
	Well, into the mic.
	Oh, sorry.
	I had a very bad, very sad, bad attempt to run away from home.
	And the reason it didn't work is because I brought like four garbage bags of like items because I like really wanted to make it work.
	But in the end, I was too prepared.
	And it took me 45 minutes to walk.
	It should have taken me like 10.
	The bags were just heads.
	So you got down the street, is what you're saying.
	You tried to run away and you're like, I'll be right back.
	You run away.
	Thank you.
	What are you doing?
	It took 45 minutes and you're that like, no, I do not want to run away from that.
	That's why homeless people have a bindle.
	They can move fast with a stick in the bag on it.
	I'm running away.
	Give me a second.
	I'm trying to be dramatic here.
	So you got caught trying to run away and then they that's it?
	That's why they sent you to boarding school or was there other stuff?
	Oh, well, there was stuff leading up to that, like generally like risky behavior.
	Okay.
	Like just I would just like want to like go to San Francisco at night.
	Like not even doing anything super devious.
	I just like to go, but it was like...
	With friends, like go out with friends.
	No, just alone?
	Yeah.
	Like in the middle of the day, in the streets of Sam Francisco, as like a 1450.
	Oh, that's healthy.
	Why do you hate your home so much?
	Well, at the time, I just had some like personal issues that I probably wouldn't go into.
	Okay.
	Huh.
	I uh, not to interrupt everybody, but I want to know more about this guy.
	Zero money, complete loser, no house, and is somehow so cool that you're like, get into my parents' house and let me buy you things.
	That's crazy.
	And hundreds of DMs.
	Yeah.
	He was on no house, no money, and he's hooking up with a hundred girls.
	He sounds awesome.
	Good for him.
	He was a gentleman.
	Yeah.
	Even he's a narcissist gentleman.
	So he's like, Rest.
	Stop to be narcissistic.
	You guys ask me.
	I'm telling you.
	Yeah, but I'm glad to say it's in the past.
	And fuck him.
	Did your parents like him?
	No.
	No.
	But they still took him.
	He didn't know he was like, yeah, bro, come live with me.
	I kind of Did he like fuck your mom as well?
	No.
	What?
	No, we didn't go that far.
	No, you know, he cheated on me.
	He cheated on me with his dad's bridesmate and then bragged to me about it.
	For fucking a MILF.
	That was nice.
	Tried to slide in with a dwarf.
	Hey, there's nothing wrong with that.
	That's kind of hot, actually.
	But she rejected him.
	Really?
	Yeah, she nice.
	Good for her.
	Small victory.
	She probably has a small house.
	He doesn't want to.
	It's all.
	He was a little man, too.
	Oh, he was a little man as well.
	He was always with me.
	Oh, they would be aware of that.
	That's awesome to you.
	But I mean, had you guys had conversations, you'd only been dating a month.
	Were there any actually overt conversations about being monogamous?
	Or did you just assume?
	Because somehow assume?
	No.
	No.
	So it was like, hey, we're exclusive.
	You are my boyfriend.
	I am your girlfriend.
	We are in a relationship, an exclusive relationship.
	Okay.
	You said I love you.
	Oh, yeah.
	Immediately.
	Not immediately, but.
	Within a month is pretty immediately.
	I don't know if it was within a month.
	We started dating pretty fast.
	So he moved in before the I love you.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	But I mean, I don't know.
	Like, I'll take anyone, not anyone in, but I've taken friends in.
	Maybe you should go like, you know, it's not super serious in my mind.
	And he didn't have anywhere to go, was the thing.
	You know, it wasn't like, oh, we're so locked in.
	Let's move in together.
	It was like, you're struggling and I want to help you and I love you.
	So that's sweet.
	Was he your source of comfort at times?
	At times, but then he became quite the opposite.
	You have quite a good heart, I think.
	You do.
	Thank you.
	I'm just shocked that the parents allowed this.
	Maybe you should do what she's doing.
	Just touch somebody's dick and let him wait three months.
	It would be great.
	Dating advice.
	Yeah.
	Oh, I had a question, but it slipped my mind.
	So, okay.
	He moved into your house, and so you guys were, this is the on-again, off-again one for like seven months or whatever.
	And he was living.
	Oh, did your parents have to evict him?
	No.
	Or.
	How did this go down?
	Well, after he cheated, I was like, get the fuck out.
	So, no, my parents didn't really have any involvement in that, but.
	He just dipped.
	Yeah.
	Well, okay.
	Back of the gun.
	Actually, way worse.
	No, funny guy will.
	Technically, he legally had renters rights and shit.
	First, and then I found out he cheated on me.
	Oh, he broke up with me.
	He broke up with me in his car, or no, in my car, and he left his phone in my car after he left.
	Like, hey, yeah, bye now.
	We're through, right?
	Sorry?
	Oh, I thought he called you a bino.
	No, no, no, no.
	Albino.
	Rude.
	Yeah, he said bino.
	But then I got curious.
	I'm like, what is this about?
	This is out of nowhere.
	And I had the password to his phone.
	I'd actually never gone through it before.
	And I, wow.
	Did you ask him for that password to get it?
	At one point, yeah, but I'd never gone through it before.
	Did you think he was cheating then?
	Is that why you wanted it in the first place?
	I mean, you always suspected a little.
	Do you?
	You can tell when you can't trust in a relationship.
	You feel.
	Everyone has trust issues.
	Everyone's going to be a little paranoid.
	And I was at times, but I tried not to snoop because I wanted to trust him.
	And that's nice.
	But it was like after.
	It is.
	It is nice to want to trust.
	We're broken up now, so who cares?
	Mike Davis donated $200.
	Thank you, Mike Davis.
	Don't trust this female.
	She always knew he was a narcissist, tough boy, but she liked the bad boy, and it was okay until she became the victim.
	But what?
	She'll still go back to the midget if he slides in.
	You're entitled to your opinion about Davis.
	Wait, no, he wasn't the midget.
	It was no, he was a bit of a drink.
	He tried to.
	How did he?
	I think he said he was so.
	He was 5'5.
	So that's maybe you should consider within the realm of midgets.
	Dude, this guy is no money.
	No house.
	5'5.
	Enough crushing it in the DMs.
	What is going on?
	Can we see a photo of him?
	Maybe he's funny.
	Maybe he's funny.
	He did have a face colour.
	He had a face.
	Is it Tom Cruise?
	Is he like funny?
	He makes you laugh.
	No, it's a little funny come back now.
	No, maybe it's like very funny.
	Wait, so was he also like, did you meet him at the boarding school too?
	Was he kind of troubled you?
	No, no, no, he's straight from Tinder.
	Into the mic.
	Oh, straight from Tinder?
	Okay.
	Did he do drugs as well?
	Oh, yeah.
	Oh, yeah.
	Was he a dealer?
	Oh, so hold on, going back to this.
	So you said that what landed you, one of the things that landed you in boarding school was the use of a certain illicit powder.
	Was there other drug use too?
	At the time, for me.
	Closer to the mic.
	Into the mic.
	Yeah.
	At the time, do I really want to go into this?
	Yeah, go ahead.
	Safe space.
	I wasn't like hooked on anything, but I was doing stuff here and there, Zan's cocaine, which was my downfall.
	And I'm just curious, like, you said your parents are still together.
	They live in the same household.
	Was the home life good?
	Or you just got.
	It's been rocky, but I actually have a really great relationship with both my parents now.
	Because some people have good parents, but they get in with the wrong crowd.
	No, yeah.
	It was, I think, a lot of different things.
	But my household hasn't always been perfectly stable and healthy.
	Okay.
	No.
	So, in any case, you've been single for nine months?
	Yes.
	But have there been any guys in the picture during that nine-month period?
	I did guys and girls.
	Are you bi?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	I've had some flings, hookups, situation kind of things.
	Is there anybody in the picture?
	Is it serious with anyone right now?
	A guy, a girl, a couple?
	I don't know, maybe.
	Do you have a roster?
	Not really.
	Do you have a single person on the roster?
	Kind of.
	I kind of like to stick to one person.
	Guy or girl?
	Like, at the moment?
	Yeah.
	A transgender.
	No.
	It took so long to answer.
	I was like, maybe it's transgender.
	Is it a secret third thing?
	I'm just rolling boy with a bunch of people.
	But you're currently talking to this person.
	I don't even have one specific person in mind.
	Oh, there's multiple people then.
	No.
	Oh, my God.
	Plus, he has a personal disorder.
	I don't know who's watching this.
	So I don't know who's watching this right now.
	So I'm just trying to be careful with what I'm saying.
	I mean, you're already in the city.
	So I'm sorry if I'm not saying that.
	Maybe you're being careful.
	Anyone who's dating you watching this is a lot of people.
	I don't care about myself.
	He can hear all of this.
	So he's saying, the one I'm like through with.
	Not the one right now, right?
	I'm not dating anyone right now.
	So you've had carnal knowledge recently.
	I've had what?
	Carnal knowledge.
	You've known someone biblically.
	Biblically.
	Carnal knowledge.
	Smashing.
	Okay.
	P and the V. Yeah.
	Doing the hack to on a steak and stuff.
	Okay.
	I'll say more of V and the V, not P and the V. Oh.
	V in the V would then be more like V on the V and the V. Yeah, work out as well as it does.
	It should in theory.
	All right.
	That's cool.
	And completely honestly, but you get the point.
	And then just going back to you really quickly, is there anybody currently in the picture at all?
	Somebody you're talking to?
	I actually did download Hinge.
	So, like, I'm on there.
	Okay.
	But is there a guy you're going out on dates with or not with or anything like that?
	No one in particular.
	Like, I'm kind of looking-ish, but, like, not seriously.
	So there is a guy that you're seeing.
	And hold on.
	No, there's not.
	And Doom Drug.
	No, I'm kidding.
	All right, what about you?
	Oh, I'm single right now, and I think I've been single for like a year and a half, probably.
	Okay.
	And the longest relationship, because I am pretty young, I feel like if you consider like my adult, like serious relationships, probably like six months-ish, which was like the one that ended like a year ago.
	And I found he was cheating on me with boys and transsexual women, or yeah, women.
	And I'm fine with that.
	I told him, like, I told him, like, because I'm bisexual and I'm an open person, and I'm down with that.
	You can experiment as much as you want.
	And it's just you have to tell me.
	And I made that very clear.
	And I was not expecting it at all.
	But one night, it was like the night after his birthday.
	And I was looking, I was going to go send the pictures to myself, but then I opened the phone to go send the pictures to myself.
	And I see in the like recent apps, Grinder.
	And so I'm like opening it.
	And it's like an anonymous profile.
	And he's like texting all these people.
	He gets a lot of people on there.
	There was like bing, like so many.
	But I don't know how long it had gone on for, but he was like, cheating on me with his exes too.
	And I did not suspect it.
	Like, I am, we both trusted each other a lot.
	And I was like so into this man.
	And this man was so, like, I don't know.
	So.
	Wolfan donated $200.
	What's that?
	Pot panel tonight.
	Thank you so much.
	All right, Jay Morphan.
	Thank you, man.
	Appreciate it.
	They're talking about you, Brian.
	Yeah, I think so too.
	Okay, sure.
	But he was like so into me.
	And I would never expect like him.
	I was like, we were, from the day we met, we would see each other like every single day.
	We were so clingy with each other because I'm a very clingy person.
	Even though I do adult content and stuff, I'm a super clingy person.
	I'm a lover girl.
	I'm not going to hook up with somebody.
	If I'm filming with somebody, that's a little bit different.
	I'm more looking for someone in the adult industry so that we can both like be mutual.
	Sure.
	Because I'm not.
	Did you know how many people he cheated on you with?
	I know that he's met his ex-girlfriend because she sent me pictures of him in, like, I bought him like this solid gold chain for his birthday.
	Yeah.
	And there's pictures of him in it in the pictures.
	So it's like, I know that that's recent.
	I've been dated.
	And I was also like, the same thing, you spending a lot of money on this man.
	I'm like a sugar mama for all the men I date.
	Did you get a chain back?
	And did you check it out?
	I just let him keep it.
	I just let him keep it.
	I don't care.
	And you like it a little bit too.
	Like what?
	Like spending money?
	I like spending a moment.
	I like submissive men.
	I like spending money on men.
	Oh my God.
	I'm going to date you, baby.
	My sugar mommy.
	I'm opening.
	I'm going to date you.
	I'm open to dating.
	Like, I guess, I'm not the kind of girl that's like, oh, I want a big mucho man.
	I'm like, if you're just normal and natural and comfortable and it doesn't feel forced, I'm not opposed to anything.
	Like, you can be one of those like men that's like, oh, I work with my hands.
	I can like fix cars, all that.
	I'm not opposed to that at all.
	It's just that I don't want those guys.
	It's like, if you have to tell me you're this like alpha bro, it doesn't, it's not natural.
	It just, you're telling me, I don't want the energy or you have it or you don't.
	This tracks, by the way, that you're like, I don't like masculine men.
	Anyway, my boyfriend had sex with like nine guys.
	It's like, yeah, it sounds like he's assisting.
	Wait, yeah, because you said you like.
	I like, I like it.
	You like submissive men.
	I like whatever.
	Like, but did he ever, like, did you peg him?
	No.
	I have pegged men, but I, but not.
	Not him?
	Not him.
	Wait, is he a top or a bottom?
	He's the only one he has.
	He was always a bottom.
	Like, which I'm fine with that.
	With dudes.
	Wait, did you know he was bi?
	No, he still won't admit it.
	He tried, yes, he dared.
	What is a bottom for a woman?
	He just sits there and doesn't do anything.
	Kind of face awesome.
	It's kind of like that.
	That's how I like it.
	All these guys.
	If the men don't do it.
	When you are doing videos.
	Was he there as well while you are pecking other men?
	Was he there in the room as well?
	Like, oh my God, I want to have someone.
	So I've been doing like, I guess, more professional stuff.
	Like, this was a content trip for me.
	I've been doing content trips because I'm in college.
	I do it when I'm on school break.
	But back then, I was just filming with boyfriends, girlfriend, or yeah.
	So I was just filming with him at the time, and he was fine with that.
	I took down all the videos with like prior partners and stuff.
	But it's new for me to film with like content creators.
	And I am looking for like a partner that's also in the industry because it creates a lot of issues.
	I'll meet a guy, I'll be like, oh, I really like this guy.
	But then it's like, it comes down to it.
	It's like, I'm not going to break, like, stop my job for you because it's like realistically, I'm going to date you for like six months because I'm 21.
	Like, you know what I mean?
	So it's not that big, that deep for me to stop it.
	And it's like, I feel like you shouldn't have to change yourself for a relationship you're coming into because I already do adult content.
	It's like, it's not that different.
	But what do you want out of a committed relationship than if it's only six months?
	Like, what's the goal?
	The goal for me is not to end at six months, but it's like realistically speaking, when you're 21, how long do your relationships last?
	Like, I'm probably not going to marry the people I'm dating right now.
	If you are going to run a 5K and you tell yourself, I'm not going to win this, you're probably not going to win.
	Well, I mean, I go into it, obviously, being like, I'm so crazy.
	I'm going to go be like, I'm obsessed with this man.
	I love this man.
	And the intention of cotton, of course, is to date them for like a longer period of time.
	But like, I really like this man.
	I was spending so much money on him.
	Of course, I was intending on dating him.
	And the night I went through his phone and I saw the grinder on there, it's like I did not expect that.
	Like, my whole world was just like rocked because I was like devastated.
	I did not see him cheating.
	Sure.
	Didn't expect that at all.
	Do you think your desire or your like mindset of being like, well, realistically, it's just a way to protect yourself because you fall deeply in love with people and you desire intimacy and connection.
	And you're like, well, they're going to leave me in six months.
	And I'll say that to myself and then it won't hurt as bad.
	I feel like most of the relationships I'm in, I'm the one that leaves, but it's because they did something like cheat on me or something.
	And it's like, I can't, like, I can't stay with you.
	And I honestly, if he was, if he just was going, if I just saw the grinder in his phone, I would have stayed with him because he has a lot of, I think, some like sexual trauma where it's like, he still won't accept that he's bisexual.
	And I'm fine with that.
	I'm fine with him being bisexual, exploring that.
	But I'm not okay with you, one, not telling me, and two, like, cheating on me with your ex.
	That was the extra thing.
	Because I was.
	Finish up, please.
	Oh, I was like, oh, like, it's okay.
	Like, we can explore it.
	But then I saw the other girlfriend.
	She sent me the pictures.
	So, quick question for the panel, the entire panel.
	If you were to be cheated on, would you prefer your boyfriend cheat on you with a woman or with a man starting with you?
	Neither.
	I have to choose.
	You got to pick.
	Probably a man.
	Also, let me double dare.
	I don't know.
	If he cheats with a woman, would you prefer that she's more attractive or less attractive than you?
	If he cheats with a woman.
	Yeah.
	Would I prefer that she's more or less attractive?
	Yeah.
	Gotta pick.
	I think everyone would prefer that she's less attractive, right?
	Who knows?
	What about you?
	Less attractive, preferably a man.
	Okay.
	I prefer a woman, and she can be prettier than me.
	It's fine.
	You'd prefer that?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Unattractive if it's a woman and a man if between the two, because I'm very jealous.
	So you'd prefer the man, though?
	Okay.
	What about you?
	Definitely less attractive woman.
	But also been cheated on with like everyone in the world.
	What?
	The other question.
	What was the other question?
	You'd prefer if they cheat on you with a man or a woman.
	Oh.
	Honestly, a woman.
	Okay.
	I'm less attractive and then probably a man because then I feel like it's not something I did wrong.
	They're not getting what they need from me because they want a man.
	I would hope he cheated on me with a man, but I don't think I care if it's a more attractive woman.
	I kind of hope that I walk in on it and I get to see it.
	I saw that.
	I saw that.
	I'm walking.
	I definitely prefer him to cheat on me with a man because I'm very jealous and yeah, that would destroy me.
	And then she definitely can't be prettier than me.
	In the reverse, I guess this is for the ladies, but obviously, I don't know.
	In a world where I'm a lady dating a man, I would probably want him to cheat on me with a man, I guess.
	But if I was dating a woman and she cheated on me, it would be horrifically devastating either way.
	But I guess another woman because then I don't have to go to jail.
	Nice.
	And then if she were to cheat on you with another man, you prefer better looking than you or worse looking.
	I would prefer better looking.
	For sure, because if she's slumming it and then cheating on me with someone who's worse than like what, what does that say about me?
	But then at least you got to be like, she's nothing on me.
	Like, at least she got to be a little bit more.
	That's not how it works.
	You're still taking the honesty.
	That makes the whole new better.
	Because I have to make myself feel better.
	My mother's just cheating.
	Why are you doing that?
	At least you know.
	But darling, why though?
	Why do you have to make an excuse for yourself to feel shit now that you're not going to be a little bit more?
	But who are you to judge about somebody else's appearance?
	That's shitty as well.
	Well, I'm going to feel better that she's why.
	Why would you make an excuse for yourself?
	Just go to therapy, get a drink.
	I would feel better in that world.
	All right.
	What about you?
	I would say a woman and more attractive, even though I am the jealous type.
	Just because if it's a man, then there's a lot that he's hiding from me that I didn't even know about in the relationship on top of him cheating.
	So, yeah.
	I just feel like it'd probably have been in denial, so I'd understand more like you were trying to just, you know, do what you were supposed to do, and you can't hide that.
	Relationship status?
	I'm in a relationship.
	I've been with my boyfriend for a year and two months, but it's not my longest relationship.
	My longest relationship was two and a half years.
	All right, cool.
	What about you?
	I am single at the moment.
	I feel like I'm really bad with time stamps.
	Everyone's like, one year and two months.
	I'm going to wake it up.
	Yeah, I'm like, oh, I don't know what day it is today.
	But yeah, I've been single for like a year, over a year.
	But I was like seeing someone not too long ago.
	I feel like I'm always in situationships, whether it's just dating or even just talking, and I feel like it's a phone relationship, like so intense.
	Yeah, so I feel like I'm always like.
	Longest relationship?
	I feel like my relationships are always like one year, two years.
	So longest was two years.
	Two years, yeah.
	Okay.
	Shane, what about you?
	My longest relationship is three years.
	I was married once.
	Yeah, it's not a good idea on my part, and I did not understand what marriage was when I did it.
	And then I am taking, and I'm going to be kind of intentionally vague about this because I have not one but several stalkers right now who are pretty wild.
	Sure.
	That's fine.
	It's unfortunate, but it is what it is.
	Sure.
	Stay safe.
	What about you?
	I am married, and the longest relationship I've been in was six years.
	Was?
	Is.
	Well, yeah.
	Two years.
	I'm going to calculate that.
	Yeah, current.
	Husband.
	Yeah.
	Got it.
	And when did you get married?
	Last October.
	So you guys have been married?
	Like about a year.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Congrats.
	All right.
	And you were 21 when you got married?
	I think so.
	No, 22, I think.
	No, no, no.
	Yes, 21, 21.
	21.
	Okay.
	21.
	All right.
	What about you, Brian?
	Yeah, are you single?
	Are you seeing anybody?
	Well, much like Shane, because of stalker and threats to my life, I'm not disclosing any sort of relationship details.
	So it's hard out here having to date a lot of people.
	Dude, it's pretty.
	Yeah, I don't know.
	People are crazy, and by people I mean women on the internet.
	Oh, it's not just women for me.
	Oh, dude.
	Heck.
	There's some weird.
	But do you perform men or women?
	Oh, I'm straight.
	Just a question.
	No, but when I was talking about men, I was like, there's male stalkers.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	They're all stalking.
	Although it's mostly women.
	Yeah, isn't that interesting how you get the 100 DMs a day type thing?
	Yes.
	Anyways, so let's see.
	We got everybody's relationship status.
	I'm going to read.
	We have one chat we've got to read.
	Oh, hold on.
	Bucky Larson.
	Other than paying less taxes, I don't see any other benefits to marriage as a man.
	Ladies, what do you bring to the table to convince me and Brian to get married?
	We'll get into that in just a sec.
	Thank you, Bucky Larson, for the message.
	And I'm just going to read this other one that just came through, and then we'll get back to Bucky's question.
	Appreciate it, man.
	Way off base, the headline reads, local man robbed Wendy's with an alligator.
	I stopped and said out loud, what did you just say to me?
	Shane Smith is funny as hell.
	Thank you.
	Oh, by the way, I've seen your stuff.
	I've seen your stuff before.
	It's very funny, man.
	Thank you.
	I appreciate that.
	And are you doing any shows here in California while you're out here?
	No, I came out here as an excuse to surf.
	And so I saw, I was like, I'm going to come to Santa Barbara and do some stuff.
	Yeah, nice, nice.
	You vote Salt Lake?
	I'm not from Salt Lake, but I'm in Utah.
	We'll say that.
	Okay, cool, cool.
	So, by the way, Robert Tanner, thank you for the gifted memberships.
	I think you sent him 50 a little bit earlier, man.
	Really appreciate it.
	Back to Bucky's question.
	So he asked, he doesn't see any benefits to marriage as a man, ladies.
	What do you bring to the table to convince me and Brian to get married?
	Well, one question before we get into that.
	Just show of hands.
	Who here wants to get married?
	Show of hands.
	Yes, That's everybody except you.
	Well, you were already married, so maybe you had a bad experience.
	And then who here wants to have kids one day?
	In between.
	No kids.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Was that a kind of a in a weird way?
	Okay, so, and you said you want to get married, right?
	Yeah.
	Okay, got it.
	So Bucky Larson asks, I guess I'm kind of the sole man out here besides Peachy.
	Peachy.
	Peachy.
	Don't want to get married.
	You guys do want to get married.
	I'm ready for you guys to try to convince me why I or other men should get married.
	Like any takers.
	First of all, I don't know why we have to convince you to get married, right?
	If we have to convince you.
	If you have to convince me.
	Then it's not going to work.
	We're going to get a divorce.
	That's 100% the case.
	You cannot be convinced to do something you don't want to do.
	You convince him to get married, then he's committed to the idea.
	Now he commits to it.
	So he changed his mind because I changed his mind permanently.
	And then the relationship with the woman and he commits to her.
	So you're not convincing him to walk down the aisle tonight.
	You're convincing him to acquire the mindset in order to get married and have a successful marriage.
	The only way I can see 100% guaranteed commitment of a guy with a girl is if I pay you a certain amount of money.
	We have a legal document that say if you cheat on me, you're going to lose a toe or something.
	Then I think you're never going to cheat and you're going to be committed 100%.
	I don't think that's how that works.
	There are five people.
	I think people who risk their lives to betray the people who pay them money to like, men aren't motivated.
	I think it's more likely that a man cheat out of commitment than like some man like trying to like hunt him down in your situation, if that makes sense.
	I'm so sorry.
	I don't know.
	I'm sorry.
	I guess.
	Never mind.
	Yeah, I just feel like that's the only way you can guarantee a man doesn't cheat.
	That's the most likely way.
	How do you guarantee it?
	Physical bodily harm.
	No, no, no, physical bodily human distracting him with signing a contract.
	Yeah, contract, legal binding, and like monetary value.
	Because you cannot convince love.
	I cannot convince anybody to be committed to me.
	But I can have a legal document that says you cannot say these shit.
	You cannot do this shit.
	You cannot touch another woman.
	That is more bounding and more likely.
	That's true, but if they want me to convince them, I don't know if they're a good person or not.
	Your plan has flaws.
	For the first entire half of my life, I broke the law for a living.
	Like, no one, a contract isn't going to make a guy obey.
	The prison is full of people right now.
	They do not care about contracts.
	Let me ask you a question.
	If you don't want to marry this girl and she wants to convince you to marry her, is it more likely that you cheat on her or is it more likely that you betray the contract?
	In this scenario where you just proposed, I agree.
	That man shouldn't, you should just not be together.
	Yeah, exactly.
	But there's a question and phrase that we need to convince these two people.
	These two people are not in love with any other.
	Oh, oh, no, no.
	The question isn't to convince them to marry each other or for Bucky to marry Brian, which would be awesome.
	But it's to convince Brian of the cons that the concept of marriage is good and he should be open to it.
	That it's about more than just having some marriage.
	Why would he be open to marriage?
	Why is it such a wonderful idea to get like Peachy?
	Why don't you want to get married?
	I am not so cynical that I say I will never get married again.
	I have been burned.
	I will go into it with a lot more thought.
	So when next time around, do you open to a relationship currently?
	I don't know.
	I don't have a religion whatsoever.
	Am I?
	Yeah, I want to find my soulmate.
	Sure.
	So you are looking for the man you want to marry.
	You're just saying that it's one that you have incredibly high.
	I would be very hesitant.
	I would need to just wholeheartedly believe that this is the one this is like meant to be.
	But that's the desires that you want to have.
	Yes.
	So you do want to get married.
	You just want Prince Charming to do it.
	Which is fair.
	That's fair.
	I wouldn't be able to convince someone because I don't even understand all the rules and what everything would mean and that.
	But I just think it would be so nice to meet someone we adore each other so much.
	We just want to do everything that's possible.
	Have kids, get married.
	Like my mom and dad have been married for like 36 years and I think it's the best thing in the world.
	And I think you just have to naturally want that with me.
	I can't tell you, oh no, because if you marry me, then this and that.
	I don't even know.
	Yeah.
	You cannot convince me of love at all.
	Why don't you want to get married?
	Yo, Robert Tanner, thank you for the gifted 50 memberships, man.
	Really appreciate it.
	Good to see you in the chat.
	So why don't I want to get married?
	Well, I guess let me lay it out like this.
	So my view is: absent some both partners having a religious worldview, be it Christian or Muslim or Jewish or whatever it is, I actually don't see, from the secular viewpoint, actually any reasons, at least from the male perspective.
	And I suppose it's not even so much the male perspective as it is the breadwinner perspective.
	I don't actually see any reason to get married.
	Like if anybody can make an actual secular argument, and I'm not sure this is a super Christian panel to begin with, but I can't think of any actual benefits to the man or to the breadwinner when it comes to getting married, at least that outweigh the risks.
	So for me personally, there's nothing that I can get in a marriage from a woman that I can't get in a monogamous long-term relationship.
	Yeah, I have a hot take.
	I think might change.
	Wait, hold on.
	Let's let her answer, then I'll let you go.
	Sorry, I was just going to say, so have it's a follow-up question, actually.
	Have you ever been in love before?
	Sure, yeah.
	Sure, sure.
	Yeah.
	Let's say everything was fine and dandy with that relationship.
	You wouldn't want to be married with that person, even though you were in love with them till this day.
	Well, I'm not sure that's really an argument.
	Like, you love them, thus you must marry them.
	But if she wants to be good enough compared to like, because I mean, something that I think about is if you're not committing to marriage, you're open to other options, right?
	Well, aren't you open to other options even if you're married?
	Of course, yeah.
	Okay.
	So, I mean, marriage does not preclude one from infidelity.
	No.
	What about ritual marriage?
	Your issue is legal marriage.
	What if you were with a woman you loved and she said, no papers, but let's go have a priest or like a guy or someone marry us.
	Well, I would have to actually investigate what the law actually says to that.
	Even though it's not through the state, are there any legal implications to even getting a purely ritual marriage?
	If not, it's perhaps a little more enticing, but then I still don't really see the point.
	Yeah, I struggled with this.
	There's data that shows men who are married live longer, have better outcomes long-term, and are healthier.
	But I can't say that that doesn't also apply to a long-term, very committed, monogamous secular relationship.
	Why is everybody so scared of the cheating stuff?
	I hear everybody say, oh, we have to have a contract, you have to do this and this.
	Isn't marriage about a wonderful, loving commitment?
	Like, the man is the man, like, typical speaking, you're the man of the household.
	Like what you're saying, very manly.
	The woman is in her feminine state.
	Together, you get married.
	You have such a wonderful pact together.
	Such a wonderful, lovely, powerful thing.
	You can give that on to your children.
	You can be the woman.
	You can be the man.
	You can still be the breadwinner, but just like out of love.
	Why is everybody here so afraid?
	Oh, no, yes, I have a contract for cheating and stuff.
	If a person wants to cheat, he's going to cheat.
	Sure.
	But I think marriage should be about love and everything that's wonderful.
	That's cost.
	Your argument usually is you can get most of what you can get in a marriage outside of a marriage.
	Correct.
	I want to bring this to the table.
	And it's probably a crazy thought, but I think men in a marriage should have reproductive rights.
	If you actually get married legally, you should be able to have a say on whether or not your wife can get an abortion or not.
	I don't think it should be like you can just decree contracts again.
	But it should be more of a conversation.
	You should have rights.
	Well, I mean, so in this hypothetical scenario, where, but I mean, that's not an argument.
	That really doesn't pertain to the conversation.
	Well, no, no, no, hold on.
	That doesn't pertain to the conversation at all because that's not the law as a so in a marriage, a woman should just be my slave legally, but that's not the case.
	That's not what I'm advocating for, but that's not how it is.
	So I don't see how it pertains Pertains to actual practice.
	I do believe what you're saying.
	I believe that men should lead in a marriage.
	But I'm more so making a criticism of she's saying, well, men should have this right in a marriage, but they don't.
	And quite frankly, they never will have that.
	It's kind of like wishful thinking.
	But if it wasn't convincing you?
	For me, well, but okay, so you're saying the wife, she wants to get an abortion, but I don't want her to.
	Yeah, you'd have more of a right to be able to.
	Well, wouldn't that be such a mismatch of values that that would not be the type of woman for me to yeah, I guess I just think of the scenario of when a woman's like, yeah, I'm ready to have a kid, and then they get scared after getting pregnant and they freak out and make a so if you're as a man, if you're pro-life and the woman is pro-choice, that's just an immediate mismatch of values.
	So I don't think that's okay, I think.
	But I think that in practice, it is kind of like inter.
	I don't think that would be.
	It'd be a whole ordeal for sure.
	Yeah.
	But go ahead, Isis.
	You said that you can get all the benefits without the marriage.
	It may be true.
	And if it's true, what essentially you're saying is you're selfish.
	You're not willing to give out any part of you for a woman because you can get all the benefit.
	But marriage might be a financial security and legal security for this woman.
	So this is exactly why I say you cannot convince you.
	We can never convince you.
	Because fundamentally, if you're selfish, I can't convince you to do something unless there's a value I'm providing you with, which is some kind of contract or money.
	Or let's say I'm a billionaire and you really want to be like a 500.
	This is a hypothetical situation.
	Then I'm like, oh, we're dating and I'm like, okay, you have to marry me in order to get certain things.
	Then I think I could convince you.
	But if you just, if you can get all the benefits without marriage, why would you do it?
	It's against human nature and it's not possible.
	And why do you think it's selfish if a man doesn't want to get married?
	Why is that selfish?
	No, I think that's what I'm saying.
	They don't mean protecting himself.
	Maybe he's just still a very good provider.
	He will still take care of your children.
	He will still be there.
	He will take care of everything.
	Why is that selfish?
	If the girl wants to and he doesn't want to, isn't it selfish from the girl?
	Because he's pressured.
	What about you?
	If he's still a good provider for the children at home, isn't that selfish of the woman to pressure him?
	You say it's selfish of the man if he doesn't want to, but isn't that selfish of a woman to say, I want it, otherwise I will leave you.
	It's like a threat, right?
	It's not fair.
	It's also a little selfish.
	It is selfish, but we're trying to convince him.
	I was going to convince him.
	Right?
	Like, the question is, how to convince him?
	I'll actually, and I'll get you in in just a sec.
	I'll actually say, would I marry a female billionaire without a pre-name?
	That's the scenario in which I'll get married.
	Lean, that's like a way to convince you, right?
	If someone wants that.
	She's a billionaire, I will marry her.
	Yeah, to address your concern, it's okay to be selfish.
	I'm not saying like, oh, you're selfish and it's wrong.
	I'm talking about the topic of convincing, right?
	I'm just saying this is the way to convince someone who thinks of his own interests.
	And there's no good or bad.
	There's no judgment on that.
	But do you not think it's a little dangerous?
	Because you say, I want to have a contract, I want to have everything.
	I want to have like a pre-nupt thing if I marry a billionaire.
	Where is the love then?
	Because you will only get married if there's a contract thing.
	Why is it not the beautiful way?
	Why is always I have to provide you this and this and that, and that's why I want to get married.
	Because I'm saying this is the way I will use to convince him to get married.
	Not that I'm saying this is the best way.
	I'm not saying it's good to convince someone to get married.
	But the question is, how would you convince someone?
	Do you understand my point?
	But why do you want to?
	I think I might have something that.
	Before I have you go, you had something.
	Go ahead.
	Yeah, so the way you're framing this question almost is like, why should I get married if it doesn't serve me in any way?
	And ultimately, like it doesn't change anything about my relationship to this person I've been seeing long term or feel in love with.
	My question would be: what's the harm?
	If you're saying it doesn't really change anything anyway, why are you scared to get married?
	How is that?
	Is that a money thing?
	Well, that's not what I'm saying.
	There are risks when it comes to getting married.
	Yes.
	There are.
	And so that's my objection to it.
	But I'm asking you, I guess, what are those risks that you perceive?
	So there's a couple.
	So there's one, untangling a marriage is complicated.
	So from the financial aspect, not just what the woman ends up getting owed, but the legal costs in and of themselves are going to be fairly substantial.
	Attorneys charge quite a bit.
	If you're the breadwinner, you're going to actually have to probably go ahead and get it.
	An unreasonable man donated.
	My Chinese wife says the value in marriage is the strengthened security.
	I provide money and the rest is meaningless.
	Lot of broken doses on this panel.
	Be better.
	Okay.
	Thank you.
	Appreciate it.
	Appreciate it.
	Unreasonable man.
	Wait, is this grid one?
	Is this grid one?
	How do you have security without money?
	You said that money is meaningless.
	How can, like, that's a very stupid point.
	That's a question for you, unreasonable man.
	So the financial risks, you have to pay for the attorney.
	You might have to even pay for your wife or soon-to-be-ex-wife's attorney if there's a mismatch in her financial resources and yours.
	There's the time, the stress of untangling all that.
	And then there's going to be what she's owed, right?
	So anything, even with a prenuptial agreement, often these prenuptial agreements tend to get challenged by the person, typically the woman who's typically also initiating the divorce, funnily enough.
	So for example, Kevin Costner, he actually, his divorce proceedings were here in Santa Barbara.
	He had a prenuptial agreement with his wife, and in the prenuptial agreement, it said, if you challenge the prenuptial agreement, you lose XYZ.
	And then she went ahead and challenged it anyways.
	So even with potential risks of challenging the prenuptial, the lawyers will still do it because they can maybe try to weasel out of it, whatever.
	Even with a prenuptial agreement, it typically only has to do with assets or money that you got before the marriage.
	But everything you got during the marriage really can't be, as far as I know, I could be wrong, not an attorney.
	This is just from my research.
	Prenuptial agreements can't really do much when it comes to what's earned during the course of the marriage.
	So if you've been married five, ten, twenty years, for example, everything that's earned in the marriage is community property.
	So then she's just going to get half of everything earned throughout the course of the marriage.
	I think that this actually will lead to a marriage, can actually lead to a greater likelihood of the breakdown of the relationship.
	Because if she's just dating you and she breaks up, then she potentially loses any of those benefits that she has from dating you.
	But if she breaks up with you and she's like, oh, now there's a financial incentive to break up with you.
	I'm going to get X amount of money.
	Then it's actually like pushing her towards ending the relationship.
	So that's interesting.
	Sorry.
	That's pretty much it.
	I really agree with you.
	I want to say that I watched this software underbelly interview with this divorce lawyer about all the advice he's giving.
	And it is true that getting married is an event that is most likely to cause distraught and harm in the relationship and the benefit.
	And yes, that was me.
	Sorry, Streamlapse got me.
	Men provide security behavior capable and competent.
	Even when I was not well off, my wife was not concerned because she had faith in my ability to provide.
	Yo, grid one.
	Thank you, man.
	Appreciate it.
	This is exactly what I was saying.
	If you have a man who will still take care of your children, provide in every way.
	Is marriage not really necessary?
	Sorry.
	Security isn't him having money.
	It's him not leaving you when you both have no money.
	Exactly.
	Yeah.
	Just to kind of confuse the point I was making.
	So I think I agree with you because, like, I think half the marriage end in divorce, and among the half that's not divorced, most of them are unhappy.
	So it's like actually it's better off if we don't get married.
	That's true.
	But I do want to get married.
	I think it's just like a personal thing.
	Sure.
	I did have one thing to say.
	Sorry, I'm so sorry.
	Just one last thing.
	That's why I was addressing to you.
	I'm like, I also have the selfish desire to not get married, also.
	So I'm not saying it's good or bad to be selfish in like we were.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	What's your thing?
	I um, I have been through this experiencing times where like being married, especially in the military, you can't live with them unless you're married.
	Um, and there's a lot of like legal issues with that.
	Like if you are not in a legal marriage, the government doesn't see them as like an extension of you.
	You can have trouble with like power of attorney stuff and like you know, finances.
	Like I wouldn't be able to, if I was not married to my ex-husband, I would not be able to call his bank and say, hey, I need so-and-so unless I'm married legally.
	Is he still in the Marines?
	No.
	Oh, okay.
	I was like, you talking about his infidelity.
	It's illegal.
	Is it?
	Can't he be court-martialed?
	They can, yeah.
	But is he legal to cheat?
	If you're in the military, yeah, you have to be.
	Really?
	Yeah.
	That's great.
	Isn't it?
	No, the chain is coming.
	Everybody's trying to get back them.
	Wrath PSA says to the first lady of the marriage that didn't work out, he was alliance.
	Wasn't he probably a no-mage?
	Oh, gosh.
	No mage.
	That's funny.
	I don't think he was cool enough to play well.
	Oh, okay.
	We have a chat here from Billiam the Mars.
	Hey, thank you, man, for the super chat.
	The Bible tells men to only get married to a woman if they are struggling with sexual immorality.
	Read 1 Corinthians 7.19.
	I don't think that's real at all.
	I don't think that's real.
	Billiam the Mars.
	Thank you.
	Giovanni, is that Shane Smith?
	Finally, some Catholic representation.
	Purge the heretics, brother.
	Nice.
	That's funny.
	All right, Giovanni.
	Appreciate it, man.
	Oh, Brian Walmart Adam32 is embarrassing himself.
	Marriage is a total L. 304s initiate 80% of divorces, and most guys lose all their shit.
	I ain't fucking losing mine.
	Kiss my ass.
	Fuck y'all, bishits.
	Where you been, bro?
	LP, where you been?
	Shoot me a DM on Instagram or Discord.
	LP, shoot me a DM on Instagram or Discord.
	We have another chat coming in here real quick.
	We got grid one.
	Grid one Motorsports donated $200 and one cent.
	Thank you, man.
	Please give me a call when you get a chance tomorrow.
	Okay.
	And just because it seems relative how many of the panelists are feminist, do not be shy.
	The patriarchy is here to help.
	Yeah, we'll ask that really quick.
	Actually, last thing on the marriage thing, then we'll move on to this and some other topics.
	Going around the table, if when you do get married, are you going to take your husband's last name or are you going to hyphenate?
	It doesn't matter to me.
	Yes.
	No.
	You'll take his last name?
	Well, it depends on the name.
	That makes sense.
	It's a terrible last name, but he's like, I want you, I don't know, but he's like, I want you to take my last name.
	No, if ands or thoughts.
	How's that sadistic?
	Because, like, what if your name is like Doofen Schmirtz?
	What's wrong with you?
	You must take my name, even though it sounds just like stupid.
	Yeah.
	So, what would your solution be?
	Well, if it's a bad name, he takes yours.
	Create our own.
	Some people are making it the superior.
	It should be the superior last name.
	Just keep your mind.
	That's fairly subjective.
	It's the coolest sounding last name.
	I see how they could descend into some kind of racist thing.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	I'm keeping mine.
	You're keeping yours?
	My mom kept hers.
	I'll keep mine.
	Okay, what about you?
	Same with my family.
	I mean, I'm not opposed to taking last name if it's really bad.
	I have a kind of a weird, like, my real name is kind of weird.
	So if it didn't go well, I might keep it.
	And most of the women in my family do keep their last names.
	But if it's a man that's telling me, like, I'm not going to marry you if you're not taking my last name, then I'm not going to be with you.
	Like, that if it's that big of a deal, I think that, like, I should be able to keep it if I want to.
	Okay.
	I love my initials, but I'm going to take his last name.
	I love my name so much.
	I've literally got it.
	I've got it tattooed on me.
	Kofi.
	My family are the best family in the world.
	I would definitely want to put both of our names.
	And anyone I've ever dated, they would be proud to be a Kofi.
	We'll have both of our names.
	Shane, what about you?
	I will be keeping my own last name.
	Thank you very much.
	No, I wouldn't marry someone who wouldn't take my name.
	Yeah, there's no way.
	You're married.
	What was the.
	Definitely me taking his name.
	You took his last name.
	And can I say a couple of things before we move on to the next topic?
	Or do you just want to?
	Is it related to the last name thing?
	More about the whole marriage in general.
	Okay, hold it for now, but I'll let you.
	Okay.
	I'm just confused with this whole last name thing.
	So marriage is sort of, I mean, it's changed a bit, but it's a traditional thing.
	So I meant, like, do you guys, for example, those of you who said you want to, like, if the last name's not great, or you're, like, for sure going to keep your last name, whatever, or you have hesitations about taking his, do you want him to get down on one knee to propose?
	Do you want him to propose, period?
	I'm let's start over here.
	Do I want him to propose if I don't want his last name?
	No, just in general.
	Do I want a guy to propose?
	You want him to propose as opposed to you proposing?
	Well, I would prefer if I had the kind of option, but like, I feel like.
	Well, of course you have to do that.
	No, no, yeah, no, of course.
	I just feel like it's like traditionally, you know.
	So, I mean, but I don't really care.
	Yeah.
	What else is traditional about marriage?
	That it's usually involved with the church.
	No, but you said traditionally the man will like be the one who proposes, right?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Like in the culture.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	What else is traditional when it comes to marriage?
	I would say having kids.
	Taking someone's last name.
	What else is traditional?
	Address.
	Going.
	Taking the name.
	Yeah.
	So, okay, what about you?
	Do you want a guy to do be.
	I say F the norms.
	I could get down on my knee.
	He could get down on his knee.
	She could get down on her knee.
	I don't care.
	But your argument is that, you know, I'm saying I'm a proponent for marriage.
	I want to get married, and that's a traditional practice in itself.
	Well, I kind of don't view it that way, which we don't have to get into.
	You don't view marriage as a traditional thing?
	Well, no, I do, but like in my mind, I'd marry somebody because it's a it's me showing my commitment to them, you know?
	Like without all the financial stuff and all of that.
	Like it's I view it kind of as a gesture.
	What is what are you what is what are you bringing in order to show the commitment?
	Because you don't take their last name and you're not like into the traditions or whatever.
	So what is it exactly that you're well you talk about how there's all these risks in marriage with losing money and different things.
	If there's divorce, well not necessarily for men.
	You said the breadwinner, that could be the woman.
	Whoever it is, there's still risks on both sides.
	Both people can get hurt.
	Both people can lose material things.
	And by willing to take those risks, that's showing your commitment to each other.
	And I just want to be able to call somebody my partner one day.
	You can call your non-married partner.
	Your wife or husband and not be lying.
	You can still call them that.
	Can I, though?
	Yeah, sure.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	You could.
	If you think so, but that's my opinion.
	But wouldn't it, I mean, couldn't you just make the reverse argument that a woman who's willing to stay with a guy despite her desire to get married, but she's willing to commit to him despite his unwillingness to get married isn't, you can just make the same argument.
	She's showing a greater commitment to him.
	I'm willing to commit to you.
	I'm willing to commit to you despite this thing that I want because I want to be with you enough that I don't need that.
	Isn't that a commitment?
	Yeah, that's.
	Yeah.
	You had something, and then I'm going to move it on from the married stuff.
	Go ahead.
	I was just going to say that I think just the general marriage topic of in general, I think it is a really big deal.
	I don't think that it's not just like, oh, you can just, you know, be with people and not be married.
	When you're choosing to be married, you're choosing to get the family involved.
	You're choosing to get legal with this stuff.
	You know, you're saying you're supposed to be submissive to each other.
	And I think taking that leap kind of shows, hey.
	Wait, men are supposed to be submissive to their wives?
	To each other.
	To each other.
	Like, you both are like humble with each other.
	You both listen to one another.
	You respect each other.
	I believe in that.
	Biblically, that's correct.
	Are you religious?
	Not really.
	Men are supposed to self-sacrifice.
	Do you want to be equal?
	Yeah, you know, I don't think men are supposed to be.
	It's not submissiveness.
	It's a lot of people.
	It's costing masculinity sipping out.
	That's another way to say it.
	A willingness.
	I'll say that.
	A willingness.
	It's a willingness on both sides, and it's just a huge leap to say, hey, I'm serious about this.
	Because if you think about it, if you're with somebody, boyfriend, girlfriend, you've been together for, let's say, 10 years living together, everything you're involved with the family, you can just get up and leave.
	Like, you can just be like, um, okay.
	And that, I don't know.
	To me, it's kind of a red flag when someone says they don't want marriage because they're not willing to take that extra leap to actually determine their self-love.
	But here's the thing.
	So you said that if you've been dating for 10 years, the person can just get up and leave.
	Well, hold on.
	You can do that exact same thing if you're married.
	But you have to go through an I mean, you gotta go through that.
	So basically, we are staying together under threat of lawsuit.
	Isn't that a terrible reason to stay together with somebody?
	Yeah.
	But when you're using me, sorry, no, go ahead.
	I was going to say, when you are choosing to marry somebody, you go in with that idea already that you know what you're getting yourself into.
	You know what I mean?
	Well, I think a lot of people are actually naive and they don't know the financial ramifications.
	They don't.
	It's actually very easy to get married.
	It's much more complicated than to get divorced.
	Yes, that's true.
	You can go to the courthouse.
	I think, I don't know if you need witnesses or signatures.
	You can do that instantly.
	To unwind that is a much more lengthy and expensive process.
	But who wants majority?
	That's just like, oh, let's go over there.
	Sure.
	I mean, it's probably, there's a little more thought that's put into it, but the actual process is a bit more simplified.
	But I mean, getting a divorce is very easy in the sense that, I mean, it's complicated, but like it's easy in the sense that you can just go do it.
	Yeah.
	Just nothing stopping you from doing it.
	There's just extra steps, I would say, that you really have to come back.
	Well, I would rather, like, if my girlfriend wants to break up with me and she wants to break up with me, I'd rather just later.
	Yeah.
	I don't want you to like, oh man, I got to do extra work to break up with him.
	I guess I'll stay with him.
	Nah, if you're not about me.
	That's why, like, if a girl ever threatens a breakup to try to get like some, like, if there's something a problem in the relationship, we can have a conversation about it.
	The minute a girl starts threatening breakups and that shit, it's over.
	Yeah.
	I don't play that shit where we're going to be like on and off again.
	You're going to threaten breakups.
	So don't marry that person.
	Well, we can have a conversation about the issue, but if you're using a breakup as leverage, later.
	Imagine this.
	You married a girl, you got her pregnant, she had a baby, and then you cheated on her with another woman.
	Two months, let's do the Ariana case.
	You know what happened.
	And then this man is a piece of shit, doesn't want to give any child support, can just leave without any legal document.
	So those women have a baby because she is in during her like leave, so she doesn't have any pay, and then she loses his job, she loses her job, and then she's just all alone.
	This man is giving her no security.
	But if they're married, the things will be different, no?
	Well, it's okay, hold on.
	You're bringing the children thing into this.
	So whether you're married or not, the amount of child support a woman can receive is irrelevant to whether they're married or not.
	So for example, if a man's income is a certain amount or whatever, and they're married, or they're not married, she'll get the same amount of child support.
	Oh, okay.
	Exact same.
	So, but what's different, though?
	Like the money that you made during the marriage?
	Well, if they were married and the relationship ends, depending on the length of marriage, she could get community property, you know, earnings that were accrued during the marriage.
	Okay.
	Potentially alimony, depending on how long they were married.
	Oh, okay.
	So if you're a dad, it's like your job to pay.
	Yeah.
	I didn't know that.
	Child support, you don't need to be married for the woman.
	Yeah, the government will garnish your wages.
	They'll just take the money from you and give it to her.
	Yeah, I see.
	Okay, that's good.
	Can I say one more thing?
	Yeah, sure.
	When you get married, you don't have an end in mind.
	When you're just dating somebody, it's a possible 50-50 that you have an end in mind.
	Do you know what I'm talking about?
	You can still get out of the marriage.
	There's always an end.
	I think if you're in the right relationship, you don't have that in mind.
	You just don't.
	No matter what situation you're in, married or not.
	I think that there's an intangible quality to marriage where it deepens intimacy.
	I definitely think that.
	In the same way where you're like, oh, hey, don't sleep with other people.
	We're official and that person becomes your girlfriend or whatever.
	And then there's a sort of strengthening of your bond.
	I think maybe women feel that in marriage more, and that's why men are so like hesitant to it.
	But I mean, that would be my argument.
	It's not money or any of these other things.
	It's like an intangible sort of intimacy that deepens the relationship further that you're looking for.
	But maybe you're not looking for that.
	But when you're talking about that, is that it deepens it further for the more so for the woman as compared to the man?
	It's in the relationship as a whole.
	I almost wonder, because don't you also, Shane, don't you also hear these stories of guys who do get married and then things start to change worse.
	Yeah, yeah.
	One motor sport will get away.
	Imagine being married for 10 years and just deciding to leave and abandon your relationship, which is a sin, and the wages of sin are eternal damnation to hell.
	Seems a legit trade-off.
	I don't believe in that.
	Wait, you don't believe in.
	No, I don't.
	Oh, I do.
	Well, you're Catholic.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	You can't get divorced, right?
	No, we can't get divorced.
	And even my first marriage, which was when I was a secular Prometheus 73, donated $200.
	Yeah, thank you, Prometheus.
	If you want your man to get down on one knee, will you bow for your man?
	I'll show the video.
	Brian, show the video.
	Okay.
	Hashtag don't get married, Brittany.
	I'll pull it up in a sec.
	Thank you, man.
	Appreciate it.
	Go ahead.
	Oh, oh, yeah.
	I mean, when I first got married, I was like a secular person.
	And same thing to you.
	I was like, I don't understand the benefits of this.
	I don't care about religion.
	I don't believe in God.
	And at the time, I just did it to make her happy, which was the worst thing I could do.
	Obviously, that's, you know, been annulled and whatever.
	The Catholic Church handles that in a certain way.
	But yes, I believe when you get married, you can never get divorced.
	Which is, you know, raises the stakes and makes it a much more intimate act between you, God, your community, and your families.
	I think it's crazy that you can get married at 18.
	You can get married before 18, actually.
	Stop.
	Yeah.
	Parent permission.
	What?
	Yeah.
	Nothing gets too close to the house.
	And you can join the army when you're 17, baby.
	All right.
	What are we doing?
	We got Robert Tanner here.
	Hey, thank you for the message, man.
	Appreciate it.
	And thank you, Grid 1 and Prometheus 2.
	Thank you, guys.
	Discord gives a 7 out of 10 right now.
	Also, someone mentioned turn your stove off.
	LOL.
	Wait, what?
	Also, taking a last name was part of Coverture.
	It was a protection for men and women.
	Interesting.
	Protection.
	Interesting.
	Thank you, Robert Tanner.
	Really appreciate it, man.
	Oh, the bow video.
	Nick, can we get the bow video going?
	Okay.
	Is this going to be a bummer?
	No.
	This is kind of like what I think this first part here would make for a good relationship.
	Boom.
	Huge bow.
	I think the lady, the woman, should hit the man with the bow.
	I prefer a courtesy.
	Wait, hold on.
	We need Isis for this segment.
	She's going to have thoughts on this.
	She's going to have strong thoughts.
	We'll wait for Isis.
	Is she just where is she?
	It's interesting.
	Oh, no, she is.
	Wait, are you watching it, Isis?
	No.
	Okay, we'll play the bow one more time and then.
	Okay.
	I don't like that she's going to watch him eat.
	That's a bit intense.
	Right.
	She's just like, does it taste good?
	It's like when someone watches you open a present, you're like, don't look at me.
	I actually love this, though.
	I actually love this.
	Here, Nick, just the bow segment.
	So this is for Isis.
	So go ahead, play it.
	Yeah, you're going to.
	You missed it.
	Boom, huge bow.
	Let it play for a few secs.
	Huge.
	Okay.
	Cool.
	What about it?
	Yeah, so somebody sent in a super chat asking if you would bow for your man going around the table.
	Would you bow for your man?
	I would bow for my man.
	Okay.
	How much would you pay?
	Nothing.
	No.
	No?
	No.
	You wouldn't bow for this guy you've been dating for three months?
	No, if I'm not getting anything, I don't want to do it then.
	What do you need to get for something I want?
	Like money?
	Yeah, money is one.
	Jewelry is one.
	Orgasm is one.
	Whatever we want, you know?
	Okay.
	Wait, I'm a little confused because actually we'll pull this up a little bit.
	We'll pull it up later.
	Go ahead.
	Yes, I will do that.
	I will also do a courtesy.
	Curtesy.
	I will be on my knees for this man.
	If he's providing.
	He's like the men in the house, protective, safe, take care of the children.
	Yes, absolutely.
	Yes, if he deserves it.
	And also, I have an argument for or against, what was the question before about the moment?
	What's your tattoo saying again?
	Presque-vu.
	Almost seen.
	There it is.
	We're pressque-vooing all over the place.
	Yes.
	You have an argument.
	Oh, menu.
	Oh, sorry, the marriage, the marriage thing.
	Oh, okay.
	So, well, it's not really for men.
	Like, it's for women.
	And I feel like women have more of a risk or in not in marriage, but in regular dating.
	Because, like, we were talking about, actually, I don't know if the live started when we were talking about this, but we were talking about women and estrogen, or not estrogen, sorry, testosterone and what's the love drug called?
	Oxytocytocin.
	So if women release more oxytocin, then like that's also an argument that's used to say that women like get more attached so they should, so it's like morally worse if they have higher body counts, which I disagree with.
	But I would say if you think that, then women are at more of a risk just dating.
	So it's kind of, I think it kind of levels the playing field.
	And I mean, we have the child.
	So it's.
	Wait, so you're, are you kind of saying when it comes to dating or marriage, because women tend to love stronger or be more like emotionally invested that that is the risk that's on the woman's side?
	Yeah, I mean, and thus men should face financial ruin.
	No, it's just evening, like, women are risking like dating you and wasting their time.
	But women have more because often, not always, because we have some examples, but often they value feelings over like money and these other things.
	And so for you, that's like a bigger risk.
	But for men, they often value their work and what they've gained.
	And so for them, that's a bigger deal.
	So you're just doing the like men are for Mars, women are for Venus thing where you both have a very serious thing that you care about, but neither of you are understanding the other one's position.
	Yeah, I would say that it's even though.
	I would say it's not predominantly, I would say it's not predominantly like men are just ruined by marriage.
	They're just ravaged by it.
	And it like, you know.
	I just think it's like more equal.
	Like it's.
	What about when there's a guy?
	How so?
	How's it more equal?
	Because in the beginning, if a woman is dating, she's at more of a risk.
	How so?
	Because she has the baby, she carries the baby.
	A man can have children without actually having children.
	So women, if you're to commit, like...
	How could you avoid that problem?
	Childbirth is really the leading cause of death.
	So I agree with you on that.
	Wait, but I'm hearing two different arguments here.
	So there's the risk to the woman if she has a child with this man, but the man leaves her.
	No, no, no, not like the, like afterwards, if you get divorced, you'll be taken care of as a woman.
	But if you're not dating.
	Okay, but so removing the child component from this, what is the argument?
	Oh, well, the argument is also that if women are biologically have like more attachment and so well, I have a bit of a rebuttal to this.
	So there's a couple things.
	So, when it comes to women being more attached to men or whatever, so women overwhelmingly initiate divorces.
	80% of divorces are initiated by women.
	Because you guys suck.
	You cannot say that.
	You cannot say that.
	Hold on.
	Well, she can say her, whatever.
	It's fine.
	She can say it.
	I mean, disavow.
	Guys, don't silently.
	Disavow, I mean, it's misandrist, but she can say it.
	Yeah, of course, she can.
	Okay, so hold on.
	So, okay.
	Secondly, when it comes to just breakups in general, I don't actually know if it's the case that women, like women fare worse.
	I mean, maybe we can go around the table on this.
	Who do you think, like, when it comes to breakups, who goes through it worse?
	Can I say something very quick on that?
	Very, very, very quick.
	Okay, go ahead.
	Because I hear every woman here on the table, like, oh, we are afraid of cheating, men suck, la la la.
	We are more afraid, we are more debts.
	But what about a man?
	A man needs to work, a man needs to provide.
	That's a lot of pressure on the men.
	That's a big risk for the men as well.
	I hear men are cheaters, men are this and that.
	I only hear about that argument when men every month bleed every month and then go through period pain every month and have to pay contraceptives and have to go through all these shit.
	If men does that, let's talk about all these things.
	Men work 80 hours a week.
	A man works 80 hours.
	How long do I work 80 hours a week?
	So I do have to engage with her on her thing.
	That's a separate conversation.
	So, okay, so I guess question for the panel: Do you think who fares worse in breakups, men or women?
	I hear that women get over a lot quicker than the guy, actually.
	Do you guys think other female panelists?
	Do you guys agree?
	Women get over breakups quicker?
	It varies.
	I think that they really get in their emotions, but they get over it quicker.
	I'm upset because the questions keep not getting mine.
	I still want to tell you that.
	I still want to really tell you that I would love to bow to my man.
	Anyway, Percy, yeah.
	It's so hard for me to not interrupt, and I'm like, to being so patient.
	I'm doing very well, you know?
	And I'm like, next time I might just have to interrupt.
	Percy.
	We'll come back to that.
	So I need to wrap this up with her.
	So go ahead.
	The question that I posed?
	The bow question.
	Oh, we're doing that?
	All right.
	Sorry, I didn't think you were going to go back to the next one.
	It was actually a quick change in topic.
	But yeah, I already answered, actually.
	But so, okay, let me ask you guys a question just to get through this as quick as possible.
	So of all the people that you've dated, short-term or long-term, more often than not, are you ending things or is the guy ending things, starting with you?
	It's actually 50-50.
	Okay.
	I would say the same.
	50-50?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	50-50.
	This is cap, but okay.
	It's, I have, yeah, 50-50.
	Bro, are you guys just going to be sheep or you guys?
	Yeah, historically, it's been the other person.
	Ending things?
	Okay.
	Me.
	I think it leans more towards me.
	Relationships, me, situation ships them.
	Shane, what about you?
	More often you ending?
	Me.
	You ending?
	Yeah.
	It's me.
	Okay.
	So, I mean, we've asked this question tons of times on the show.
	Women overwhelmingly end relationships.
	So this idea that women get more attached, well, how could that actually be true?
	Once, it's not clear to me if men are actually commitment phobic.
	Once women do get commitment, women overwhelmingly end said commitments.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Robert Tanner donated $200.
	Women are always more at risk in the relationship.
	You bring life into the world.
	You are the gatekeepers.
	The modern laws are now skewed against men.
	For women to become equal, relationships destroy.
	Yeah.
	Thank you, Robert Tanner.
	Appreciate it.
	As far as men and women and how they handle breakups, I think that it's a sliding scale as age happens.
	So young men handle breakups way worse, which is why we become insane.
	And then we have positions that are anti-marriage and stuff.
	And then as we get into our 30s, women take those breakups much harder.
	Yeah, because we were ready for the long run.
	Yeah, yeah.
	And you're running out of time.
	This kind of thing.
	That's fair.
	Yeah.
	Anyways, the bow video, I guess.
	Going back to that, would you bow for your man?
	Let us bow.
	Is that like a normal thing that people do in relationships?
	I've never bowed to anybody in my life, so.
	Would you, though?
	Let's say he asked you to do it.
	He showed you the video.
	He's in a completely serious way.
	Yeah, super serious.
	He saw that video on my podcast.
	He's like, oh, I kind of like that.
	I'd like my girlfriend to do that.
	Would you do it?
	In like a submissive however she did it.
	Because I'm not into that.
	You're not into that.
	Okay.
	All right, fair.
	Maybe ironically, but I mean, like I said, all these men, I'm like, oh, sorry.
	But a lot of these men that I'm dating, I mean, I'm open to dating a guy that does make more money than me and all these breadwinner things and stuff.
	But it's like, why am I being super like submissive to you seriously?
	Sure.
	When I mean, a lot of these men I'm dating, they're not.
	They're bowing, but their boyfriend is bowing.
	I mean, I don't want them to bow.
	I don't expect my man to bow to me.
	You can just be a normal person.
	I want to be equal to my partner.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Absolutely.
	I think I already answered absolutely.
	I think it's so hard.
	Yeah, I get that.
	Well, this is what you're saying.
	Would you bow to the best?
	Yeah, this is for the ladies.
	I would say yes, because I also expect him to.
	If he wouldn't do it, then I wouldn't do it together.
	That's fair.
	Would you want your girl to bow to you?
	Would I want my girl?
	Wait, wait, wait.
	Oh, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead.
	Yeah, sure.
	Yeah.
	I mean, if that was how she was expressing like some sort of like excitement or love or whatever, I think that's cute.
	I like it.
	I mean, I like to be greeted.
	Like, if you get off, I travel a lot.
	If I come home to someone I'm with and they like open the door before I get there and jump in my arms and give me a kiss, that's like the American equivalent.
	I like that.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	So you would expect, you're married.
	You'd want your husband to bow to you, bow back?
	Yeah, I mean, not right then and there, but I would expect him.
	Because when I think of bow, I think like, oh, only the woman is bowing.
	I'm like, uh.
	What's wrong with that?
	I mean, if he, it depends the situation.
	Like, if he's like, hey, bow right now because I'm telling you to.
	What's wrong with that?
	I don't actually see anything wrong with that.
	What is wrong with that?
	There's nothing wrong with that.
	She doesn't say you're not going to be able to do it.
	I don't actually think there's anything else.
	Yeah, there's nothing wrong.
	I would just say yes, sir.
	I guess I'm overdone.
	If it's more like on a deeper level, I would think of it that way.
	But if it's just like a what's up?
	Bow, sure.
	If you're both bowing to each other, it's like you're about to duel in a movie.
	Like, what are you doing then?
	Just get your swords out and go.
	Well, this is like with the intention of like, you are my inferior.
	Yeah.
	So there shouldn't be a power dynamic.
	No.
	If you're in a kid.
	What if your wife is your partner with an audience?
	So horny right now.
	I would do it.
	So what would you do if your wife or girlfriend asked you to bow to her?
	Oh, would I do it?
	Yeah, of course.
	No, of course not.
	But you expect her to bow for you.
	He's the man.
	Will you like her?
	Men and women are different.
	I don't think I want a man who'd bow to her.
	I won't want the mantra.
	He's the man.
	I would be so much like that.
	It's like just the dynamic.
	It's the dynamic.
	No, I would not bow to her.
	Would you ask a man to build something for you?
	That's a good point.
	If I needed help, maybe if they had extra hands and knew how to do what they were doing.
	But here's a question: here's a question for you.
	I can do it myself, then yeah.
	So here's a question: Why is it that when men will have expectations of women, those things have to be reciprocated?
	But when women have expectations of men, it's very rare that there's an expectation that women also reciprocate that behavior because the expectation we have on you is pretty small.
	Wait, so, but about basic, but what's the wait, hold on.
	Women's expectations are small.
	Like, pretty normal.
	We want to compare.
	I don't know.
	Earlier, you were like, he has to make money.
	He has to be funny.
	He has a good personality.
	He has to be bigger than three inches.
	I had a brain fart.
	I had a brain fart.
	Can you repeat the question again?
	So.
	Well, it was more of a statement.
	Can you say that?
	Well, so, okay, I was saying that she was saying when I was like, oh, I would want my girlfriend to do a little bow or something when she greets me.
	She's like, well, would you do that back?
	Because there's an expectation there.
	When men want things, men also have, or excuse me, when, hold on, how's the framing here?
	If a man wants something, he has to be willing to reciprocate that to the woman if he wants it.
	But if women want things, it's not clear to me if there's an expectation that the woman has to reciprocate that.
	For example, if a woman wants a man to pay for first dates, well, or will you pay for first dates?
	That's really a rare reciprocal expectation.
	I think your statement.
	It's a one-directional expectation.
	Your statement is saying always.
	I don't think that's true.
	I think women want certain things and men want certain things.
	It's not like, oh, you have to reciprocate.
	No, but she's saying those kinds of things.
	You preach tradition.
	That sounds like traditional.
	I don't really think that's really true.
	I do.
	But I feel like I was like, I feel like I preach it a bit.
	I think it's very telling.
	The people who would bow and the idea that if you wouldn't, because you think it's demeaning, says a lot about how you're interacting with the other sex and how you feel about them and how you allow them to feel about you.
	Because the fact that you instantly think of you bowing to someone as being somehow disrespectful or demeaning is like, that never entered my mind for a second.
	I thought it was like a sweet sign of respect.
	As opposed to like a demeaning thing.
	To submit yourself to someone is not to demean them.
	That would be like if I was like, oh, I have plans today, but my girlfriend needs me to help her move or something.
	And then I cancel my plans.
	That's technically a submissive act, but I'm not being demeaned because I love this person and I respect them and I'm giving them their due.
	Okay, I guess I just think that's somewhat of a strange comparison.
	Like bowing, if somebody asked me to bow to them, it would just kind of throw me off a little bit.
	I know that's not a matter of fact.
	But you don't have to Japanese man.
	That's exactly where I was going.
	Oh, okay, cool.
	I saw a comment.
	It said bowing is a sign of respect in Asian culture.
	That's probably very true.
	That's not something I've been exposed to.
	It's not super normalized in a media.
	This fucking gigator.
	Tanner donated $1,001 champagne.
	Yo, you're the champion.
	Robert Tanner, I appreciate it.
	Question: If we have no tradition, what objective truth are our relationships based on?
	Anything relative of the current time seems very dangerous.
	Donated $1,001?
	Robert Tanner, you are amazing, actually.
	Donate a lot of people.
	Seems very dangerous.
	You are an amazing man.
	You are an amazing man.
	Thank you.
	All right.
	Robert Tanner.
	You're a fucking.
	Hold on, let me play this shit.
	To Robert Anne.
	He's a brave and a decent man.
	He's a pioneer.
	Appreciate it, dude.
	Appreciate it.
	And also, hold on, let me play one more.
	I am a fucking legend.
	You, sir.
	You, sir.
	You're a legend.
	How often does this happen?
	Just to move things on a little bit here, I do have to move things on from the bow thing.
	But I guess here's my argument, right?
	Is when it comes to this whole bowing thing.
	And I'll actually grant to you, it's like it might seem a little surprising because, at least in the Western culture, it's out of the norm.
	But in terms of the actual ask, it actually takes really no effort from a woman.
	But I guess what confuses me, so like a guy could ask his girlfriend to do this, or even a girl you just start seeing, and she might object to it for feminist reasons.
	And by the way, grid one, I will ask your question here in a moment.
	She might object to it for feminist reasons, or I don't want to, what is that?
	But like, the same woman that will object to an otherwise benign, innocent bow within 30 minutes of meeting a man will suck his dick and let her fuck him.
	So I just thought that's.
	I'm not saying that about you.
	I'm just saying that.
	Thanks.
	I'm just saying, like, the girl, like, girls who object to the bow will fuck a dude within 30 minutes of meeting them.
	You'll literally let a man inside you with his pee-pee, with his penis, but you won't just want to bow, but you'll pay for his life.
	You're doing so much more for him.
	I'm just bowing.
	Wait, that's a really good thing.
	That's a standpoint, isn't it?
	You let this guy.
	It's called a bad thing.
	You let on yourself with my power.
	You'll get a bomb yourself.
	I'm not proud of it either.
	I think that kind of like the I said.
	Hold on.
	Boom.
	Anybody who wants championships?
	Thank you, Robert.
	I said the same thing, kind of like with the.
	I mean, I'm not opposed to the bow.
	I guess maybe an American.
	I'm actually a bow advocate.
	You are as well.
	Oh my god, you're gonna start a page for bowing women.
	I'm just gonna say it's so.
	Everybody will wait on force.
	I'm so bad with the authority, but my man, I will be so submissive for a man that provides.
	I will do everything for a man.
	I will lick the floor if he asks me to.
	I will do that.
	I don't listen to anyone else.
	No, I guess we will start like a OnlyFans for submissive girls.
	I'm not going to do an OnlyFans girl up on the ground.
	I'm not going to do it.
	Just an Instagram page.
	Wait, what?
	Instagram page.
	What will you do?
	What will you do?
	We're advocates for the bow.
	Yeah, we are an advocate for the bow.
	You will make an Instagram with just women bowing.
	No, but what?
	You said you would do something for a guy?
	I will do everything for a man.
	If he's providing, if he's protecting, just really being a man, marriage or not.
	Just providing.
	No, but I'm sorry.
	I didn't hear it.
	So what would you do?
	I will lick the floor if he asks me to.
	I will do everything.
	He's the man of the household.
	Darling, I'm your wife.
	I will do everything for you.
	Oh, yeah.
	No, no, no, no.
	These two no.
	Oh my gosh, uncle.
	No, I feel like.
	Babe, I feel like I'm with a man because I respect him.
	I love everything about him.
	So of course I'm going to do like anything to do.
	Otherwise, I'm not probably with him.
	We're not in a relationship.
	Yes.
	The bowing thing, it's like you were saying, like, oh, why would you not bow if you're paying for him?
	I already think that that's like kind of like, so if the man's not bowing because he's like, oh, I'm providing for this woman, and he expects that I have to bow, if you're being like the masculine role, you're being the one, the provider, then it would also be kind of expected that you wouldn't want to bow either because you're kind of supporting that man.
	You know what I mean?
	I think we have a little problem in today's society that women, not every woman, but women in generally want to like be very manly.
	So, like, why would I have to do aggressive about it?
	Because if I have to do it, you have to do it.
	Why is it not just out of love?
	Yeah, thank you for that.
	The example of women not reciprocating is in relationship, the woman that day is not in the mood for sex hands-off, and rightfully so.
	But if the woman is in thew mood and the man isn't, they get salty.
	This sounds personal.
	Who hurt you?
	Yeah, you guys are thinking of bowing.
	Who hurts you, the pagan?
	Who could go salty?
	There must be sounds like a very personal experience, no?
	What's it saying, basically?
	I feel like women can't take an L, though, if you reject them sexually.
	Really?
	Yeah, that's probably true.
	They're not used to it.
	I feel like women are not.
	I think they haven't handled it.
	I haven't rejected sexually.
	Yeah, they are not.
	I just feel like I can read the room.
	I don't think I'd put myself on someone randomly and they're like, no.
	What's going on over here?
	What's going on over here?
	They're just asking if she's okay.
	If she's what?
	She's okay.
	Are you okay?
	Yeah, I'm perfectly fine.
	Oh, okay.
	Don't worry about it.
	Let's do a little cheers too.
	Oh, Robert Tanner.
	Yes, thank you, Robert.
	Robert Tanner.
	Salute.
	Cheers.
	Slounge it.
	All right.
	Cool.
	Let me read two chats.
	Two chats.
	We have Curtis Leone.
	I love Dependas.
	Those wonderful pill-popping wives are crazy.
	I used to watch them first fight at base housing.
	Dependa tell us about the sleazy underworld of Dependa Life Blue Porch Light, United States Marine Corps.
	Oh, man.
	Thank you, Curtis.
	Appreciate it.
	I haven't heard that word in a long time.
	I didn't really have a whole ton of friends when I was a Dependa.
	So I wasn't really out partying.
	The parties that I went to, we would host at our house on base, and his friends would come over and everyone would drink.
	They'd bring their wives.
	So pill popping.
	I don't know anything about that, but I have heard some crazy stories about girls who chase guys in the military for the benefits.
	All right, we have Kill of Cereal here.
	Question for the panel: What is the most embarrassing moment you've experienced on the date or while sharing carnal knowledge?
	Got a gun drawn on us by a gate guard because I went too far before turning around.
	Kill of Cereal.
	Hagen, really good to see you in the chat, man.
	By the way, wait, have you sent me a DM on Discord?
	I don't know.
	Send me a DM on Discord.
	And I need to get you a role on our Discord, man.
	Appreciate it.
	Kill of Cereal.
	We also need to do grid one's question about feminism.
	So I need really quick answers on this just to move things along, but most embarrassing moment you've experienced on the date.
	Quick.
	10-second, 15-second answer.
	Haven't been on a lot of dates, but my ex used to beat off in bed right next to me.
	Word when I was sleeping at like 3 a.m. every morning.
	Are you guys living together?
	Yeah, it was my husband.
	Is that weird?
	I mean, I would.
	Please wake me up.
	It was like aggressively, like, aggressively.
	And I have had talks with you.
	Was it a begrudging jack off sesh?
	Probably.
	I'm going to be real.
	I just.
	I had had conversations like, can you like go to the shower?
	There's three bedrooms in this house.
	You could literally go somewhere else.
	Because it's waking me up at 3 a.m.
	Okay.
	So he's kind of a violent masturbator.
	Yeah.
	Like it was a, it was, he was moving the bed.
	If this is a full body masturbation, what is happening?
	The bed would shake.
	That's, that's.
	You've got to get one of those sleep number beds so that the wine doesn't spill.
	Are you guys having sex?
	We were, but I will say it was not a lot.
	And there was a lot of reasons for that.
	Like, I didn't feel loved.
	I didn't feel, you know.
	It's a red flag in my books.
	Okay.
	You should date someone who doesn't masturbate, then you don't have that problem.
	I don't want to get into the details of this, but sex with him was not good.
	Not, and I'm not saying he wasn't good at it.
	He liked to get begged.
	No, go ahead.
	No, he just was just very like, like, just rough.
	You know, like, not fantastic.
	It sounds like I feel mad, but you gotta have a little mixture, you know?
	Like, it shouldn't just be that all the time.
	We have the same digital.
	It sounds like he has an unhealthy reason.
	Yeah.
	Fair enough.
	Sounds like a Marine.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Oh, embarrassing date.
	Quick answers if you can.
	Yeah, so quick.
	First date, finish the date.
	Make out in the hallway before I leave.
	He, summertime, thin clothes, he came on me in two minutes.
	Were you doing the check?
	No.
	Oh, I wasn't even.
	I wasn't even.
	You didn't even get channels.
	I didn't even.
	Maybe I checked when it happened.
	You closed it.
	That's how you found it.
	He closed it.
	Yeah.
	It was.
	Keep your turn.
	The cramped in my car.
	What the fuck?
	That was Nick.
	Go ahead.
	The weirdest thing I ever had, he came on my face and he didn't salt me.
	So I went down the stairs to my parents to get something to drink for myself.
	But he didn't say anything.
	And my father was like, oh, wait, is this a date story?
	No, it was like, and he came on the face.
	I don't know.
	We were just there.
	I don't know.
	And my father was like, what's on your face?
	I was like, yeah, what's on my face?
	So I got to the hallway and he was just sitting on the staircase laughing his ass off.
	He's like, ah, this is so funny.
	And I looked into the mirror and I was like, oh, damn, it's kind of funny though, but it's weird.
	No, it's mine.
	Were you asleep?
	What?
	How is this humanly possible?
	I don't feel it.
	Because I thought I had everything in my mouth, but I wasn't.
	And he just kept on going.
	And I was like, oh, I finished, right?
	I've already swallowed it.
	And I just looked away for a second, like, oh, right, it's following me down.
	It's just in my hair.
	Whoa.
	You got to do the mimic.
	Like, go away.
	So that's what happens.
	All right.
	That's why you thought that was a good thing.
	That was lovely, though.
	What about you?
	I wouldn't do it, my parents.
	Well, I don't want to, like, I don't want the guy to watch this and like be sad.
	But actually, it's for the better, like, good.
	Yeah, just.
	A guy growled while we were having sex.
	Like, an animal growl.
	I like it wouldn't stop.
	Which animal?
	Yeah, actually.
	Chicken.
	Which Andreena recreate.
	Can you reenact?
	It was like, what is he?
	More like an anime kid growl than like an animal growl.
	Maybe he's just really into it, you know?
	Yeah, freeze a I had a similar story.
	This one time this chick wanted to be like a cat.
	Really, that happens.
	Was it cute or was it weird?
	Did she want to like meow for you?
	Did she wear a full latex suit?
	The way she went about it was weird.
	Like I actually wouldn't, like if a girl doubles her thing or whatever.
	Like if it, for me, anyways, like if it turns her on, like fine, whatever.
	I'm cool with it.
	I'll get into it or whatever.
	Yeah.
	But like, she just went about it the wrong way.
	She was trying to like be a cat and shit.
	Did she wear like a latex cat woman suit, sexy with new buttons on the oh my god?
	Actually, that wasn't the weird part.
	It was just like she was weird and then anyways, whatever.
	But so I feel you.
	Like a furry?
	Yeah.
	No, it was just.
	She's like, act like I'm your cat.
	What are you going to do to me?
	Like, pets a petty.
	That's weird.
	Is it supposed to be embarrassing for me or for them?
	Either.
	Sure.
	Either, I guess.
	Okay.
	Well, after I lost my virginity, I got kicked out of the house at 5 a.m. in the pouring rain with no ride.
	So it was more just a little sad and humbling.
	But you got kicked out of the house, yeah.
	Because I had like snuck it.
	This was when I was younger and it was his parents' house and his parents like woke up or something.
	The parents kicked you out.
	No, they didn't, but he thought he was like scared they woke up and so he made me leave.
	So it's just sad.
	Yeah.
	A little bit.
	Oh, good.
	But I mean, I don't think it's that bad.
	It was embarrassing for me.
	I don't think he was being a virgin.
	I just felt like kind of pathetic and used and embarrassed.
	Yeah, but I don't think he was being a dick.
	He was probably just concerned of like repercussions.
	No, he was a dick.
	Yeah.
	Take my word for it.
	But I mean, he's at his parents' house.
	probably doesn't want to get caught so it's not like if it's not that big if it wasn't It doesn't like traumatize me.
	So, question, how long had you been seeing this guy?
	This was like a one-night stand.
	You lost your virginity in the morning?
	One-night stand?
	Oh, my God.
	You know what?
	It happens.
	Yeah, it happens.
	It happens.
	How old were you?
	Oh, God.
	So bigger.
	14?
	I should have lost.
	Did we know that you were a virgin?
	Yeah.
	Well, it happened.
	I was 13.
	How old is he?
	He liked that a little bit.
	No, don't worry.
	He was only 16.
	It wasn't like, was he though?
	Embarrassing story?
	Embarrassing story.
	I've catfished many a times.
	Like, the guy will be like 30, but then the pictures of them when they were like 22, and then they're like way chunkier and their hair is bad and they look really bad.
	Yeah.
	Happens a lot.
	Do you not like send videos or FaceTime?
	Um, I'm not, no.
	I mean, I'm not like a Snapchat person.
	I think Snapchat's a red flag.
	But usually that's how they would send live photos, I feel like.
	And maybe not really in text messages.
	Okay, weird.
	That's wild.
	So kind of like how all women wear makeup?
	I mean, fast.
	Like, we're all just like human beings.
	So sorry, my like lashes are not naturally this long, but I'm not insecure without my makeup.
	I'll take my makeup off.
	I do, I film content.
	I shoot a lot of time with no makeup because I don't really care.
	Okay, what about you?
	My now boyfriend and I were headed home after a date and I was, you know, you know, making him feel good.
	And I threw up on him.
	Oh, no.
	What type?
	Into his lap.
	Like, I'm like, I literally was just stuck with it.
	This is your 30 minutes just driving.
	Yeah, it's very important.
	Wait, it was in the car?
	Yeah.
	Too much to drink.
	It's going to leave the smell.
	And he stayed with you, right?
	He's a keeper.
	You should escape to marry your lap.
	You should.
	I'm very much in love with my wife.
	However, if I turn her down for sex, she gets salty.
	Just like she talks through something I'm watching.
	But if I do the same, I get the castration stare.
	Honestly, I get it.
	I understand it.
	I used to be that wife.
	I like that too.
	Keep her up.
	But now I'm better.
	Okay.
	All right.
	I can't think of an embarrassing day.
	I feel like I go on dates all the time.
	But, oh, let me think of one.
	Ah!
	I think I might need to come back to me.
	No, okay.
	One time I went on a date, and the guy, like, I had the script in my head.
	It was the first time we were going to meet each of us.
	So I thought it was going to be all romantic.
	And then I go to the place and he's outside talking to some girl in the smoking area.
	Like, I was like, what?
	Like, you're supposed to see me for the first time and be all fantastic.
	And then, so to take the piss, like, when he went to the bar or something and came back, I like started talking to a guy like Miss Nab.
	I was like, okay.
	Shane, what about you?
	I was incredibly unavailable in my 20s was a woman I used to work with, and we would like lightly flirt, nothing crazy.
	And that happened for months and months.
	And finally, she asked me out and I agreed to it.
	So she's very excited.
	We're going to go on a date and she's sick.
	And I'm like, we can cancel.
	And she goes, no, I'm not going to cancel because then you're not going to go on the date.
	So she shows up to my house to pick me up to take me to some surprise.
	And she's like, oh, I don't feel well.
	We got to stop at like CVS or whatever, so I can get some, I don't know, medicine, ibuprofen.
	And then as she's driving, she just started crying, and then she pulled into a gas station and put her head on the steering wheel and began to weep incredibly hard, like ugly crying.
	And that's when I began to smell it.
	That she had completely and utterly she had defecated herself.
	So fucking disgusting.
	Yeah, so hard that I was in the car, like and then so she gets out of the car to go into 7-Eleven to handle it.
	And then I just opened the door and left the car running and escaped into the night.
	I just ran home.
	I was like, I did work with her again, and we never mentioned it.
	We just pretend it didn't happen.
	What about you?
	I don't have one.
	She told you again?
	Okay.
	Oh, two things really quick.
	Then next topic.
	I was just curious about your tattoo that you have.
	Yeah, this one.
	What's the story there?
	It's not across, it's a plus sign for positive vibes.
	I think good vibes is literally everything.
	It's like a distance.
	Turn your head that way so this camera can see it.
	Me?
	Yeah.
	Oh, there it is.
	Oh, you look so beautiful.
	You're so beautiful.
	Thank you so much.
	Yeah, good energy.
	You can literally add someone.
	I thought you like killed somebody or something.
	Oh, God.
	Listen.
	I catch myself even when I'm angry.
	I'm like, no, come on, be nice.
	Give them a good, you know.
	And wait, question for ISIS here about your name.
	So, because I know a lot of people who weren't born here, for example, typically from Asian countries, they'll just like adopt a name that's not their legal name.
	Do you have a different, like a legal name that's not ISIS?
	Yeah, I do have a legal name.
	So, what's your original name?
	Like, I mean, it's on my TikTok.
	So, if you want to know, go see that.
	I don't want to announce it here.
	The reason why, yeah.
	Oh, well, it's ours.
	So ISIS, the reason why I have ISIS, because before I came to U.S., I was taking an English lesson from an American guy from New York.
	And he told me, I was 15 at the time.
	He told me when you come to US, you need a name that people can easily pronounce.
	So, like, let me give you a name.
	Let me just emphasize: this is 2012.
	Okay, beginning of 2012.
	Before I asked, when you checked, I googled.
	When you now go back to like, that's your name by choice.
	Would you now go back to your real name?
	But that's the thing.
	Like, he, like, he just called me one day randomly.
	He never calls me.
	He just called me one day and be like, your name is ISIS.
	And I was like, why?
	Why not get into that or something?
	You would have chosen something.
	I don't know.
	He just chose it for me.
	It's like meant to be.
	He said it's meant to be.
	And then when I asked was a thing, I actually called him.
	I was like, should I change my name?
	Because people have been making fun of me.
	And he was like, do you want the world to remember ISIS as a terrorist group or you?
	So speaking of positivity, I want to bring the positivity to the world.
	Right.
	I hear you.
	So you're like the cheerleader of ISIS.
	The happy vibe of ISIS.
	No, how do I have to see this?
	But 200 years later, when people read about the name, or people think of ISIS, if they look in history, do you think they'll think of a celebrity who maybe tell some jokes that make people laugh or a terrorist group?
	I would love to make that.
	I'd probably change it now.
	Yeah, I think it's not.
	Do you think you would rather people remember the terrorist group?
	But darling, do you think they will remember you when you go into the history box?
	Yes, I will, because I am planning.
	Yes, I'm planning to build orphanages and I'm going to use my name as the name of the orphanage.
	And that's going to continue.
	But that's why 20 people said everything is.
	So that's my dream.
	That's why I want to manifest it into reality.
	Is there any problem with that?
	But people might associate it with something else.
	I see that you're not going to be able to do that.
	That's why I want to change the narrative.
	It's not like, oh, I'm going to change the narrative.
	I'm just telling you why I don't want to change the network.
	Are you going to be on the website of the true ISIS?
	Like, oh my gosh, we are clear.
	It's going to be difficult.
	ISIS Wikipedia is pretty robust when it comes to, you know what I mean?
	My goal in life isn't to change people's perception of ISIS.
	My goal in life is to be myself and then like my name and let the name represent me.
	And everybody, if I know you and you never knew a person named ISIS before, I wish that after I met you in the future, when you read the word ISIS, you think of me instead of first thinking of a terrorist group.
	That's what I'm trying to say.
	I feel like if it was my name, I'd write till I die.
	But if I chose it, I'd probably step back.
	Like on all your legal documents, is it your mother name?
	It's a preferred name.
	Usually they have in legal documents, they have a preferred name and a legal name.
	On my legal name, it's my legal name.
	So it's like your artist name.
	Yeah, it's like my TikTok name.
	It's like what people call me.
	Have it ever crossed your mind, like change it to like ISIS or anything nice and spicy.
	Isis is also a band and an Egyptian god.
	I was gonna say, I thought she was of rebirth.
	It's basically the most powerful goddess in Egypt.
	So that is what I'm named after.
	I wasn't named myself after like the terrorist group.
	The name sounds nice.
	It's like when people say, Did you see when people say, oh, wouldn't Chlamydia be a nice name if it wasn't what it meant?
	Like ISIS just sounds beautiful.
	I'd love to call Matotra.
	But considering now, it's like, okay, maybe we can't.
	But it does sound lovely.
	Well, it's tough to outdo a bad name, though.
	There was a soldier that fought in World War II with distinction very well.
	And he did a great job, and people loved him.
	And he had the same name as a certain guy who was in charge of the Third Reich.
	But we never talk about that soldier.
	We just talk about that other guy.
	So you're up against it.
	I was just curious.
	I was just curious.
	Giovanni Jade, you donated $200.
	Thank you, Giovanni.
	Islamic terrorist organization or demonic pagan god.
	Lovely.
	British girl, turn your tattoo into a cross-saw nozzle.
	Only acceptable face tattoos.
	Pink dress, low-key, gorgeous.
	Brian's a fake warp.
	Wait, what?
	So what do they want me to do?
	Turn my face.
	They want you to have a cross or the tattoo I have on my face, and they're being racist, Brian.
	Well, no, thank you very much.
	It's my face, so obviously.
	Sound like Italian?
	Yeah, that's Italian.
	It stands for without papers.
	Oh.
	Why?
	Oh, I was doing an Italian.
	Like, okay.
	Scoozy.
	All right.
	All right.
	Oh, grid one's question.
	Going around the table.
	Are you a.
	Wait, let me just double-check.
	That was his question.
	Where is it, Grid One?
	Oh, how many of the panelists are feminist?
	Going around the table, do you consider yourself a feminist?
	I believe, yeah, in the direct definition of it.
	I believe in cerebral equality with men and women.
	What is cerebral equality?
	Like, mentally, we have the same ability to work as a CEO for a company, right?
	Physically, I don't necessarily believe that.
	Okay.
	I think it depends on the definition of feminism.
	I refuse to answer this question unless you give me a definition.
	So, here, I'll give one.
	So, the movement towards equality or egalitarianism with an emphasis on a rejection of patriarchy.
	So, movement towards equality with a rejection of patriarchy.
	Patriarchy is bad, right?
	Does that mean like a definition for that too?
	I'm so sorry.
	English is not my first language.
	Patriarchy is when men are leading society, generally.
	Oh, yeah, that's bad.
	Definitely.
	That's why there's so many wars.
	You see, that's the thing.
	Herronius.
	Herronius.
	If women are in charge, there will just be peace talks.
	You think so?
	The most infamous pirate who killed the most people in the world was a Chinese.
	A lot of granddaughter killed like millions of people.
	Isn't that like the most outlandish example you're doing?
	But they do have a lot of people.
	No, A lot of Vikings were women as well.
	A lot of things.
	Women are very emotional.
	Marla Bacher golden my air.
	I didn't know that at a rejection of patriarchy was included.
	Yeah, I thought it was just rights, equality for people.
	Well, I mean, but that's really a core technology.
	I think that the far, like really hard liberals push a rejection of patriarchy.
	Mainstream feminism is a rejection of patriarchy.
	I actually think it goes far beyond that, but.
	But so going back to the moment.
	Patriarchy existed so many thousands of years and our world isn't that much better.
	I mean, it's time to change it a little bit.
	Actually, as the patriarchy has been weakening, the world's actually gotten worse.
	Yeah, because it only gets worse before it gets better, you know?
	That is the doctor.
	Trust me on that.
	I'm telling you.
	Really quick, but so you're claiming that if I think you were saying, well, if women were more in charge, there would be less wars.
	They actually did a study.
	They looked at female rulers and they did a per capita analysis.
	They actually found that women rulers, monarchs, for example, female queens, were more likely to wage war than their men.
	And that makes extremely perfect sense because in a world full of men, when men are in charge, in order to beat a woman in charge, you need to beat all the men.
	So you need to be more aggressive than all the men.
	So basically, you are acting like a man.
	Because you're competing with all the men, you know, so you have to win somehow.
	But if in a world where I have equal opportunity, where every position, men and women are equally considered, then that's the definition of the world.
	So I'm not sure I'm prepared to grant that presupposition, but I mean, isn't there substantial, like, for example, in workforces that are predominantly female, there actually tends to be quite a lot of conflict in those environments where it's like mostly women in the workplace.
	Yeah, you know, there's a lot of like because men are in chatting the world right now.
	Well, no, no, no, but when women have all the power, if there's a company that's like predominantly women or all women, there's like clicking up and like all this sort of like what's that movie?
	Mean girls, like they click up and there's like backstab.
	I mean there's backstabbing in all kinds of corporations, but there's a greater proclivity towards like backstabbing, reputation destruction, this sort of thing.
	I mean, you've been to a hair salon, right?
	Can I say that?
	Oh no, what do y'all talk about at the hair salon?
	Yes, it doesn't matter what you this point, let me say this.
	Because what you're describing, where, oh, all these women are all in charge, what you're describing is an ecosystem, a small micro-ecosystem that exists under the current society, which is patriarchy.
	Patriarchy caused girls to be mean girls.
	A lot of jealousy for us is caused by men.
	They're inconsideration.
	Women seek a men.
	I mean, aren't women raised by other women more often than this is the greatest episode of Dr. Phil I've ever been on, but to be honest.
	I do think the idea that women have to cause more wars because they're competing with men doesn't seem like it's inherent to what men do.
	It seems like that's inherently what statecraft is.
	Like war and competing for resources is just the human condition.
	It has nothing to do with gender.
	You can't compete resources in a civil way.
	But apparently.
	I am the patriarchy, and you know nothing of my work.
	Men built this world.
	All the things you enjoy were built by men with the support of women who love them.
	Sure.
	Feminism seeks to destroy all of it.
	If right now every woman died, this race is gone.
	There's going to be no offspring whatsoever.
	If all men died, we're going to be fine.
	So we're not going to be like, wait, Burn it.
	Can we just stop?
	Why does it always have to come back on the baby thing?
	He asks, like, men build the world.
	That's true, right?
	The world wouldn't even exist if there's no woman regarding baby.
	We need each other first.
	This is the chicken in the egg.
	Yeah, we need each other.
	We can each other and we need to like fill each other up or how to assume proper English.
	Also, it's not the chicken in the egg because men came first.
	I see as a woman religiously.
	Men came first because Adam and then Eve was taken from his rib, so not his foot, so that she would be below him, not his head, so that she would be smarter than him, but his ribs, so that she would collaborate and make equal women.
	Because men have XY chromosome.
	Women have XX chromosome, right?
	Like, it looks like you guys are lacking something.
	No, we are lacking something.
	You are the rib that we took out.
	All right, I decided to chill down.
	Anyway, should we just like continue the.
	Yeah, do you believe in feminism?
	Not believe in feminism.
	Yeah, that was the question.
	Are you a feminist?
	Yeah.
	I think in the world we are living now, no.
	I still believe that men build the world.
	And we as a woman are different.
	And I think we are great at being different.
	I think that as a woman, we have to look at ourselves and think, you know what?
	As a woman, we are great.
	We do not have to compete with men.
	We are great as a woman.
	We do things different than men, and we are great at doing things different.
	Why do I always have to compete with a man?
	Because we are different.
	We are made differently, and we can be so great and so powerful at being different.
	Stop comparing yourself to men because we are not men.
	We will never be men.
	Just be strong as a woman and use your strength as a woman to build the things up as a woman.
	Stop comparing yourself to men.
	You're not a man.
	Stop doing it.
	Stop saying, hey, I bring the babies.
	Chill down.
	The men do their thing.
	We are women.
	We can be strong as a woman.
	We can be seductive.
	We can be beautiful.
	We can do everything.
	And as a woman, if we support other women a little bit more, not in the aggressive feminist state.
	Just like, could at being a woman, let the men be men.
	Let women be women, women, and just be strong as a woman.
	Embrace your womanhood.
	Stop comparing yourself as a man and fight against men.
	We have to do this, we have to do that as a man.
	Let the man be a man.
	Let you be a woman.
	Be strong as a woman first.
	Chill down.
	Stop fighting men all the time.
	I think women should just.
	I think we have a problem comparing ourselves to everything.
	Yeah, but that's where the problem starts.
	As a woman, if you truly think that's a patriarchy.
	Wait, I think it's my favorite.
	If you look yourself in the mirror, can you say, like, I'm very strong as a woman right now?
	Are you looking in the mirror like, oh my god, maybe I want to change this about myself?
	I need to go to the gym.
	I need to go this and this and this.
	Be strong as your own women first and leave the men being men.
	So let's get answers to the question though.
	So are you feminists?
	Did you argue that?
	What's the definition?
	It's equal opportunity, then yes.
	A movement towards equality with a rejection of patriarchy.
	Equality of opportunity.
	That's my modification.
	Because, like I said, I agree with you physically.
	You know, there's a lot of difference between emotionally too.
	Brain structure, women are different.
	So I would say equal opportunity and then destruction of patriarchy.
	Yes.
	Okay, so you're a feminist.
	If that's the definition.
	I think I already answered it in a good way.
	Was it a yes or no?
	In this society, no, I'm not a feminist.
	Yes.
	Yes, I am a feminist.
	I'm a girl boss like feminist.
	I can't be a feminist because feminists, they say they want equality, and then there's like so many things they pick and choose they don't want to be equal on.
	So no.
	That's what I meant in the way of opportunity.
	Yeah.
	You know?
	That's what I was saying as well.
	Be strong first.
	Wait, you said equal opportunity.
	Yeah.
	Like the equal opportunity to be drafted into the military.
	Exactly.
	Equality.
	Keep going in.
	Poly is really hard because at a workforce, I think women should have more rights at workforce and more levee because we have to give birth, so we have more vacation.
	I would suggest period paying vacation as well.
	But that's not what I'm saying.
	It's not equal.
	Like, I guess I wish it's not a man's fault to not have a baby, right?
	Yeah.
	It's not his fault.
	Well, you think perhaps one day you'll start a business?
	Yeah, I would.
	And you'll have employees.
	Okay.
	So, I mean, if you're in the business, your purpose for your business is to make money, right?
	I mean, you said, well, women should have more time off.
	And if they have their period, then they should have time off for their period.
	Well, I mean, wouldn't this be like if you're an employer, how is this just not a liability for your business?
	It is.
	I think it is a liability.
	I think in order for me to...
	Can I ask you a question?
	If you're having to pick an employee, let's just remove gender from it entirely.
	If you know that one employee is more likely to be reliable and be there, whereas this other person, they're going to be sick more often.
	They're going to be less likely, they're more likely to ask for time off.
	Wouldn't you, as the business owner, have a strong preference for, regardless of gender, hiring the person who's going to be there?
	They're not going to call out all the time.
	They're going to show up on time.
	They're not going to be constantly, oh, I got to take a day off, blah, blah, blah.
	Who would you prefer to hire as an employer?
	Now that you say it this way, I realize I'm not a feminist.
	I'm someone who depends on the person.
	I want to be someone who gives more rights to women.
	Because what your question is.
	Well, that's.
	Wait, but not right.
	So, no, let me explain something.
	The way you said it, if it's two employees, I don't know if it's their gender, then definitely I will pick the one with less liability.
	If I know their gender and this woman requires more leave because of pregnancy or period, then as a woman, I'm willing to give her that leeway because, like I said, I want to be rich.
	The reason why I want to be rich isn't so that I can provide the love and care I want to provide to the people I care about.
	Can I ask you a very first question?
	You want equality, so you want to give the woman an opportunity.
	Wait a second.
	You want to give a woman the opportunity to get her days off when she's pregnant and everything else.
	So if you go to the workplace and a man has like 20 vacation days, you want the same, right?
	So if a man says, hey, listen, this mob, he cannot do anything about it.
	He cannot have children.
	It's like God's way, right?
	So if this man is saying, like, she's getting like 20 days off in a year, you're only giving me five, I want to have 20.
	Because that's equality, right?
	He wants to have the same.
	So are you going to give that to a man?
	The same thing as you are.
	No, because I literally just said I don't want anything.
	You just said you want equality of opportunity then.
	Yeah, so that's why I said I turned the line on.
	Robert Tanner donated $200.
	Yeah, thank you, Robert.
	Look in the mirror.
	It exists outcome of opportunity.
	You want equality of outcome.
	Separate but dangerous outcomes.
	You are not understanding what you are advocating for.
	More individuals will be hurt.
	I think this one's a good idea.
	Thank you, Robert Tanner.
	Appreciate it.
	Okay.
	Yeah, thank you, Robert.
	Appreciate it, man.
	Thank you for the TTS.
	Let's get answers from the whole panel.
	Feminists, where did we leave off?
	My name, I said no.
	Okay.
	Just with the job thing quickly, I don't think it's about just who's more available just because the woman's going to be up for a period.
	You know, it's about who brings more.
	Yeah, just because she's going to need a few days off.
	She still might be smashing.
	Exactly.
	Exactly.
	That's not.
	Sorry, it's not about who's available and needy.
	You want the best person.
	Yeah.
	But as for feminists, I don't think I can say a feminist.
	I don't know all the exact rules.
	But I think I love that there's men and women.
	I don't think we all need to be the exact same.
	Everyone, someone might have more male energy, feminine energy.
	Two different people bring out different things.
	But I like the fact that the man is the man and the woman is the woman.
	I like that.
	So that means I'm not a feminist, right?
	Not a full one.
	All my employees are women.
	I really don't have a problem at all.
	The bitch in the middle of the day.
	But they're deaf.
	No, they're not.
	Oh, okay.
	No!
	Sorry, sorry.
	I had to do it.
	I had to do it, everybody.
	Okay, okay.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	The comedian.
	Very good.
	Feminist?
	I'm not a feminist.
	If I was, I would say feminism should refocus on equality and all these other things that are incredibly intangible and difficult to define and sort of hard to do in society.
	Feminism should be about women finding what makes them more fulfilled and happy.
	Not what I was saying, right?
	What I was saying.
	But fulfillment and happiness has nothing to do with all that other crap.
	What I was saying, like being feminine.
	Dominica.
	Oh, Dominica.
	It's okay.
	It's a long one.
	I would say in this day and age, no.
	I mean, what?
	We don't have to fight for anything right now.
	I can do whatever you can do.
	Well, can you, though?
	You know what I mean.
	I have the physical limitations.
	I have the rights here.
	Yes.
	I'm not depressed.
	All right.
	We have Curtis Leone.
	Dependas used to hit on me.
	They would tell me their husband was deployed.
	One chick told me the relationship was open.
	So I went to her house.
	Husband was mounting the neighbor.
	Yes, I did it shaking my head.
	Okay.
	Sweet.
	Thank you, Curtis Leon, for that.
	Appreciate it, bro.
	My ex never deployed.
	So.
	Really quick on the feminism thing.
	So those of you who are feminists, oh, can you say for just are you taking off?
	I just have.
	I'll actually do your question really quick first then.
	So, where is it?
	We have Lauren.
	You said guys pretending to be taller than they are.
	What was your thing on that?
	Oh, yeah, no.
	So I met someone on Tinder, my ex-boyfriend, and he pretended to be like, I can't remember if he said 5'11, and he was like shorter than me.
	And I'm one of them girls, I don't mind.
	I'm 5'7 ⁇ , 5'8.
	I've dated guys shorter than me.
	I think it, like, I actually sometimes prefer the underdog because someone who's just big, amazing.
	They can get all the options.
	They just being like, you know, on the surface.
	I actually prefer just a random, like just any guy, like just a real humble guy.
	So I actually don't mind if you short about me.
	What I do mind is that you lie to me.
	So I'm on the first date looking for you in the sky and you're literally on the floor.
	That's what I got a problem with.
	But that's wild.
	Like I'm not going to actually meet you.
	Do you know what I mean?
	Yeah.
	Like that's crazy.
	I'm going to see you.
	Like I'm actually going to see you.
	Is it wrong for his height?
	Of course.
	Yes.
	Imagine I pretend I'm sady and I'm fine.
	In their defense.
	There is such a stigma towards men and like male height.
	Short guys get such a bad rap.
	Short guys are fantastic.
	Amazing.
	I've met such handsome, fit, like amazing short guys.
	But there are, there's just with the internet too, you see all these like street podcast interviews and all girls are like, he has to be six foot.
	He has to make six figures.
	Like that's wild.
	How tall someone is has nothing to do with the 50,000 things I need from a guy.
	And that's just the simple thing.
	This is the 21st century.
	If I close my eyes, I can't even see.
	No, lying.
	I'm a very honest person.
	Lying is morals.
	I don't care what you are, what you do, but you need to be honest.
	Otherwise, we might as well not start if we're going to lie.
	I'm going to pretend.
	It's a strategy that works for men, though.
	They lie until you're invested and then it's too late and then you forgive them for the lie.
	That's a strategy people use in dating generally.
	It's gross.
	But it works.
	I think as a woman, you will fall in love with the things you hear.
	That's why men lie.
	And I think men fall in love with things they see.
	That's why women wear makeup.
	Oh, I've also heard a man's face is his autobiography.
	A woman's face is her work of fiction.
	Exactly.
	You got me.
	That's another one.
	That's why men lie and women wear rank up, right?
	Yeah.
	Or yeah, men lie by visual and women or sorry, men love falling.
	Women fall in love with it.
	Women fall in love with the things they hear.
	That's why men lie.
	Men fall in love with the things they see.
	That's why we are wearing makeup.
	I'll have a question for the panel about the hide thing, but before you go, we have Stiffler.
	Ask everyone to rate their looks on a scale of one to ten.
	You can't pick seven, starting with Isis.
	Six.
	Six?
	Okay, then coming to you, then we'll go this way.
	I think I'm a five in the U.S. Two in the European countries.
	Okay.
	I think I'm a six.
	Five.
	Six.
	In my eyes, I'm a ten.
	Closer to the mic if you can.
	I would say in Texas, I'm an eight, but in California, I feel like I'm a six.
	Okay.
	I'm like a model, so sometimes I'll think I'm a ten, like I can look fantastic, but then I can definitely feel like an eight and a half.
	I'm a two to most people, but I'm an eight to the people who like what I have going on.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Okay.
	I would say I'm a five.
	Okay, you need to have some more.
	Like, you're not a six.
	Did you say six?
	You're gorgeous.
	Thank you.
	Okay, thank you, Stiffler.
	Appreciate it.
	So you're the only 10 at the table.
	I mean, I don't know.
	No, didn't I say 10?
	Oh, but you still.
	Oh, sometimes.
	Yeah, obviously, but you are bad day.
	You don't always feel fantastic.
	You're an oscillating 10.
	If I'm at the bad day.
	But when I'm like dressed up, I still, and I'm.
	I'm like fine.
	Like, I feel like people, like, I don't know.
	I'm not that crazy about the looks.
	Like, I'm not one of those girls.
	I don't need to wear makeup all the time.
	But even when I don't look my best, I'm still like, I love myself.
	You know what I mean?
	Like, I don't have to always be wearing makeup.
	I don't really care.
	Okay.
	I think I left Pocahontas.
	People always tell me I left Pocahontas.
	I've literally got it tattooed.
	Wait, let me show you.
	I literally got it tattooed.
	Only getting away with it.
	Only getting away with it.
	Because you're saying it with that accent.
	Pocahontas.
	When people say that, I'm like, oh, you're kidding me?
	I think she's the best thing in the world.
	So I'm like, I'll take it.
	So, yeah, I'm happy with that.
	Going around the table on this question related to the looks one.
	Do you think you'll be better looking in 10 years' time?
	No.
	Okay.
	Yes.
	So, Isis, you are 27?
	Yeah.
	Or 28?
	27.
	27, so you'll be better looking at 37.
	37.
	Yes.
	And do you think you're better looking now at 27 than you were at 18?
	Yes.
	Okay, what about 47 as compared to now?
	That's hard because I don't want to be 47.
	Look at this clip and be like, oh, I thought I was ugly.
	So yes, I'll be more beautiful.
	At 47 as compared to what about 57?
	Yes.
	67?
	Because by the time I'm 67, like, my beauty will be oozing out of my inside.
	So I'll be really, really beautiful.
	Yes, I have to answer it this way.
	It will always be a yes.
	So I'm in the cask case.
	77, 87.
	Yes.
	97.
	Yes, yes, yes, yes.
	You're not making it to 100.
	Yeah, I'm definitely not making it 200.
	I'm drinking, smoking, everything, right?
	What about you?
	Yes, I also think so, yeah.
	So you're 28.
	You'll be better looking at 38 than you are now?
	Yes.
	48?
	Yeah, every 58?
	Yes.
	I think let me just kind of re-ask the question a little bit here.
	So the question isn't, will you still be attractive when you're older?
	That's not the question.
	The question is, compared to now, will you be more attractive?
	In 10 years, yes.
	I think when you're at 10 years.
	What about 48?
	Maybe a yes, and then after that, a no.
	Okay, 58?
	No.
	No.
	Okay.
	And you're 28.
	Are you better looking now at 28 than you were at 18?
	Absolutely.
	Yeah.
	Absolutely.
	Yeah, I was obese when I was growing up.
	I lost like 40 kilos as well.
	Okay.
	And I worked very hard for it.
	I didn't have any operations to do.
	I do that a bit very hardworking and stuff like that.
	So, yeah.
	Well, assuming.
	Assumingly and mentally, I feel prettier.
	Well, all else being equal, assuming you hadn't been obese at 18, do you think you would have been more attractive at 18 than you are now?
	No.
	Okay.
	You are 18.
	Do you think you'll be better looking at 28 than you are now?
	Well, like to who?
	Men in general, I guess.
	Men in general?
	Yeah.
	No.
	No.
	Okay, most attractive now then.
	What about you?
	You're 19.
	Do you think you'll be better looking at 29 than you are now?
	I hope so.
	Okay, what about 39?
	You're asking to men.
	Or even your own self-assessment.
	Sorry, I thought you said that.
	Well, I did, but people sometimes.
	I think men just like it younger.
	So through the eyes of a man, these are probably my peak years.
	But I hope I still like myself when I'm 29.
	But do you think you'll be better looking?
	Attractive?
	Do you think you'll be better looking at 29?
	Yeah.
	Okay, 39.
	Hold on.
	39?
	No.
	Okay, so peak.
	Yeah.
	Late 20s.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	Yeah, I think men probably they say now because like even in the industry, like even in the industry, already I feel like people they're like creepy about it, so they want to cast me as like a little like college girl because I'm a college girl.
	But um wait, why is that?
	Because they like the younger ones, even if they're like 60.
	Well, why would that be creepy?
	Because you're closer to being a minor.
	Well, no, you're.
	But you're not.
	I mean, I've been doing content since I've been barely over 18.
	So, I mean, they've always been like that.
	And even as I've gotten older, I'm 21.
	I'm not old at all.
	Still, people will be like, 21.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Still, people are like, oh, like, you're getting old.
	And it's because men are creepy and they want you to be barely.
	The men who buy that kind of content are interested in that are creepy for small men.
	But I think, isn't there like a graph that shows like men as they get older, they still prefer the same thing?
	I think emotionally mature men wouldn't prefer small younger ones.
	I think emotionally mature men would find two younger women kind of like immature.
	Yeah, and they wouldn't have the sexual attraction.
	Like, imagine something so much younger.
	When I'm 31, I think I'll probably look better in my eyes, though, just because, like, I feel like I'm always improving.
	Like, I get lipo done soon.
	I have, like, always improving myself.
	Arm lipo, stomach lipo.
	I'm getting my boobs on soon.
	Oh, that's so that's so nice.
	Yes, I'm getting everything done.
	If you want to know anything, I've done 80% of myself.
	I love it.
	I still want.
	They're great.
	Yeah, they're wonderful.
	Oh my gosh, that is.
	Yeah, I wish I had.
	I understand.
	So if you want to know anything about it, I've done like 80% of my body tops of toe.
	I want to upgrade it.
	So if you want to know anything about it, I'm just going to say that.
	What about you?
	I do think I'll be more attractive.
	And you're 27, right?
	Yes.
	So more attractive at 37?
	Yeah, based off of how I've been going so far.
	Better looking at 47?
	No.
	Okay.
	And then were you better looking at 18 as compared to how you look now?
	No, I'm better looking now.
	Okay, what about you?
	I've always been fantastic.
	I'm joking.
	I think I'm probably better looking now-ish.
	Probably the same.
	I feel like as I got a bit older, the same.
	And I'll probably start going a bit downhill in about five years.
	Okay, so you're 30, not better looking at 40 then?
	No, a few more wrinkles in a bit.
	And then were you better looking at 20 as compared to now at 30?
	No, probably the same or maybe a bit more womanly now.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	And then, Dominica, you're 22, better looking at 32?
	I think I'll be better looking because I'll have my life in my hands more.
	Because right now I'm like a slave to school.
	I can't really be a gym rat if I'm at the same time.
	You want to have kids, though, right?
	Yes.
	Aren't you going to be a slave to kids?
	That's true, yeah.
	So I don't know.
	I mean, I hope I can find a balance, I guess.
	I'm just hoping.
	What about 42?
	Better looking at 42?
	Not better looking, probably the same.
	As you look now?
	As I was as a 32-year-old.
	So you'll be better looking at 32 as compared to 22, but then you'll be the same at 42 and still better looking than at 22.
	What about 52?
	No.
	Okay.
	Brian, what do you rate yourself out of 10?
	I give myself a 5.
	Do you think you got better looking now or are you?
	I was better looking when I was younger.
	Really?
	Hands down.
	Rude, you didn't ask me.
	You might be a silver fuck.
	It's getting on his kid.
	It doesn't matter.
	You might be a silver fun.
	It's like, no, if I'm a man, of course I'm going to be better looking when I'm.
	Silver fuck.
	I think that'll be the limit.
	At 47, then I'll start to drink.
	And you'll have like 10 more years of comedic practice.
	Sorry, I can talk.
	And it'll be funnier.
	So you're like, even more.
	Or more annoying.
	So all the women at this table, so every woman here.
	Do you also agree, like, men age like fine wine?
	I thought that women.
	I think that women prefer a mature man.
	And I think there's a lot of reasons for that.
	But men age so beautifully.
	They get a men look for younger women.
	I think women typically think about the sale has been pretty bad.
	Like the king's son?
	William.
	No, no, no, like George Clunius.
	Look, they are really good.
	Men age like five.
	But I feel William.
	Men are great.
	Men are green.
	We're going to play musical chairs here a little bit.
	So I'm going to have you four just move over chairs, and then we're going to.
	Actually, wait, hold on.
	Is that going to work?
	Is that going to work?
	Hold on.
	I'm going to try to kind of figure out how I want to do this.
	She's already kind of gay.
	Actually, is she going away, Dan?
	Is she leaving?
	Yeah, she had to leave.
	Oh, she had to leave.
	Actually, I think we just removed this chair, remove this mic.
	Yeah, and more room.
	Is this number four, Nick?
	Sorry, guys, we're just fixing the chairs here.
	No worries.
	Is Maddie strong enough to...?
	Yeah.
	She's an independent woman.
	I'm more comfortable thanks.
	All right.
	And then, Shane.
	What?
	Yeah, you could scoot over a little bit maybe and then just put it on the ground.
	Thank you, man.
	You want me to unplug it or anything?
	You want me to just...
	No, just leave it.
	We'll mute it on our soundboard.
	Sorry, guys, we're just readjusting a couple things here.
	Do you think we could all tiny bit scoot over that a little bit so it's easier for me to lose the bathroom?
	Maybe then she's more in it.
	We can have you guys move.
	Let me just be more in the picture as well.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, we'll be able to move over a little bit.
	So maybe just move over a teeny bit.
	Yeah, more into the picture.
	Musical chairs here, guys.
	Thank you for your patience here while we're getting this figured out here in just a sec.
	I'm going to get into some of the pre-show notes finally here.
	There's a lot to get through, so we'll try to do it as quick as possible.
	Okay, she just walked in on her in the bathroom.
	Oh no.
	Good times.
	Good times.
	So let's get through some of the show notes here.
	Actually, really quick, just on the whole height thing, going around the table, just how tall are you?
	And is there bare minimum height for a guy you would date?
	I am 5'2.
	I think bare minimum height would probably be like 4'11.
	For the guy?
	Yeah.
	That's currently.
	Like, I don't mind dating shorter than me, but like, you know, there's I'm pretty short, so it gets into the realm of like.
	You don't have a preference at all, or no.
	Okay.
	What about you, Isis?
	Mine, I always used to say, like, six feet minimum.
	But then the guy I'm currently dating, whom I really like, is below that.
	I used to say, like, guess what I call guys below six feet tall?
	Man, friends?
	Yeah, they're my friends.
	So, but now I'm dating someone I really like.
	So it's like, I ate my words.
	It's a curse.
	How tall are you?
	How tall is he?
	I'm 5'3.
	I don't know how tall he is, but I know if I wear.
	Is he gonna watch this?
	I don't know.
	I forbid him, anybody from watching my TikTok.
	I hope he doesn't.
	Yeah.
	Wait, you forbid men from looking at your TikTok?
	Yeah.
	Interesting.
	Like the guy I date.
	That's gonna make them want to do it so much more.
	It's crazy how much more he's gonna want to do that.
	If they want to do that, they do that.
	But then they can't come to me and be like, I can't believe you said ABC because I told them not to, and they agreed.
	So it's like they just had to hide that inside of them if they watched.
	I love that.
	Like they just absorb it and die inside a little bit.
	As somebody who did a decent dive into your TikTok, they should probably watch that shit.
	Uh-oh.
	They should watch that shit.
	A meme for what?
	For the height.
	Oh, yeah, we'll pull it up.
	I'm 5'7.
	Sorry, I don't.
	Exactly, yeah.
	It's true.
	Yo, chart.
	I just want to say.
	Thank you for the gifted 50 subs.
	Go ahead.
	I just want to say one thing to you.
	I'm not afraid if he watches it.
	Like, not at all.
	If he really loves me and obsessed with me, even if I tell him not to peek and he peeked and then still decided to be with me, that's the one, you know?
	Like, if you can't accept me for me, then that's not the one.
	So then why would you prefer to be like, hey, this is how you do it.
	Yeah, give him all of you right away.
	No, psychologically, that's kind of bad because humans tend to like look for the negative in a person at the beginning.
	So at the beginning, it's better to ease into it, be friends first.
	That's why I don't do physical things.
	Remember earlier when I was like, you can lie and slow drip the truth and then they'll want to date you even though you want to be a little bit more than a person.
	I remember you saying all the time.
	Yeah, that's the same exact thing.
	But it's a difference.
	There's a difference between lying and just letting.
	You're lying by omission.
	No, that's not true because I'm not handcuffing them, be like, no, if you watch my TikTok, I'm going to something you.
	But like, I'm just, they can watch it, you know?
	A relationship is learning about somebody.
	I'm literally being open with him, being like, right now, I don't want you to see that side of me.
	So let's take it slow.
	So when I'm ready, you can check.
	But if they chose to check it, it's not like I'm going to switch to them.
	But this would be like if a woman had like, I don't know, it's, you know, she had done something wrong and she's like, hey, I don't want to tell you this because you're probably not going to want to be with me if you see it.
	Well, then just break up with her on the spot and trust that you wouldn't want to be with her if you saw those things.
	You say if you're the guy, you would break up.
	Yeah, yeah.
	If you said that.
	Then do it.
	I know.
	It's just so interesting that.
	What was his reaction when you told him that?
	He said, okay, I respect that.
	Interesting.
	Yeah, there's a very healthy boundary between us.
	And that's what I've been practicing.
	And inside that boundary exists the men's penises who you're trying to see how long they are.
	Definitely slow into silently because that's my boundary.
	I would love to touch their penis and they would love to be touched by me.
	They do, you're right.
	So why is that a problem?
	So going around the table on this, what's your height, bare minimum height for a guy for you to date?
	I do not know what a feet thing is.
	What your guys do.
	I'm 175 centimeters.
	And what do you want to have an answer on?
	What's the minimum height of a man you would date?
	Actually, I do not judge on heights.
	I always wear heels, and if it's fine with that, I'm fine as well.
	If he has like a natural manly dominance era above him, I'm totally down with you.
	I'm fine.
	Based.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	5'5 and I would just have like a preference.
	Like it increases my attraction to you if you're taller.
	I'm 5'3.
	I'd say the same thing.
	Obviously, it's not like a deal breaker.
	If someone's short, I dated a guy that was 5'5.
	5'6 is actually the male standard average on like a global scale.
	I think United States, I'm not sure global, but 5'6 is the average male height.
	I think in the U.S., it's like in the U.S., it's 5'9 or 5'10.
	Yeah, really?
	Yeah, we're eating beef.
	U.S. girls are getting lucky.
	Darling, in the Netherlands, we are tall.
	The men are 1932 meters.
	Everybody is tall as fuck.
	I'm small.
	The Dutch are super tall.
	I'm very small.
	I'm very little in the Netherlands, actually.
	That's greatly.
	Interesting.
	We are tall.
	I'm 5'2.
	My minimum will probably be like 5'6-ish, but I usually date like a 5'9.
	Like, that's probably my preference, 5'9-5'8.
	So, because I like closer to my height.
	Okay.
	I've never been tested on this, but I think I don't care.
	I'm like really incredibly attracted to really intelligent men.
	And kind of the way they look falls by the wayside.
	But I've never been tested, so I don't know.
	I don't care.
	I've dated a woman who's taller than me.
	I don't think guys care.
	No, no, there's no way.
	Why would that matter?
	Yeah.
	I'm 5'1, and I would say probably like 5'5.
	Okay.
	Minimum.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	How tall is your husband?
	He's 5'9, 5'10.
	Okay, cool.
	Rock and roll, rock and roll.
	We got a chat here from Curtis Leone.
	Excuse me, the Dependa using base housing standards is an eight.
	If she would have stayed, she would have had two to three kids, gained 200 pounds, and driven her fat cart around the commissary to stock up on potato chips.
	That's hilarious.
	Is that true?
	I don't know.
	I got to a point, believe it or not.
	I actually, when I was leaving my ex, I was overweight and I lost 60 pounds over two years since I've been away from him.
	Okay.
	I looked at myself in the mirror and didn't like how I looked, so I think I'd have the control.
	Nick, we're gonna go to Twitch really quick, guys.
	Go to twitch.tv/slash whatever.
	Drop us a follow and a prime sub if you have one, twitch.tv slash whatever.
	And chart, I do want to thank you for the gifted 50 subs, man.
	Thank you so much, man.
	Really appreciate it.
	You're a legend.
	And oh, I also think the primes might be bugged because it's only been like a minute since we've last had a prime, so maybe it's bugged.
	So if you guys can drop us a follow and a prime sub if you're watching on Twitch, if you're watching on YouTube, just open up another tab, drops a little sub in the chat.
	Okay, so let's get into some of the pre-show notes here.
	We have, who do we have here?
	Where do we start?
	Where do we start?
	There's a lot of notes.
	Okay, why don't we do Isis?
	Isis, you had some interesting notes.
	I'm just gonna pee, but too bad.
	Okay, so in your Instagram, it says, tell Netflix I need my own reality show.
	Yeah.
	Why?
	Why?
	I think, what do you mean what?
	Like, you don't think I deserve one?
	I mean, but what would the show be about?
	Like, your life?
	It would be my life.
	I would love to be sponsored by all kinds of brands to make a documentary or kind of reality show of me learning different things and document my progress to show people that no matter what age you are, the beginning of learning is clumsy, is stupid.
	And because I'm not afraid to make a fool of myself, I would like to show people that in the process I can work with different, like maybe athletes in their field or musician in their field to learn things like that.
	On your Instagram, you made a post that you've decided in 2024 you'll become the most unhinged version of yourself.
	Yeah.
	Has that been true?
	That has been absolutely true and I have paid heavy, heavy price for it, but definitely reaped great rewards as well.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	And there was a clip on your Instagram.
	We have a couple clips from you.
	Actually, before we get into some of those though, you had some crazy unique dating stories.
	You went on a second date with a guy and he you asked for a Tiffany gold bracelet in order to go on the date and he complied.
	Yeah.
	Whoa, I want this number.
	So the way it happened is like there's one time I was at the mark, which is a pretty fancy bar in New York City, and I met this guy and a guy and his friend.
	And I didn't realize at the time, but turns out they are dating, but they're also open.
	So we, afterwards, we went to the box to see a show.
	And so that's how I got to meet this guy.
	And the second day, I was in Mexico at the time.
	I got a one-way ticket to Mexico, no return trip.
	But this guy was only in New York for two days.
	So I was like, okay, in order for me to get back, like, it's a lot.
	Like, I have, so, you know, like, there's a lot of hassle.
	I don't want to leave yet.
	So he paid for the tickets.
	He paid for the gold bracelet because that was like, in order to see you, I'm going to do that.
	Did you hook up with him?
	Not on that date, but later I actually did a, that was the first threesome I ever did was with him and his girlfriend.
	Like later.
	Yeah.
	Is that the bracelet?
	Oh, no.
	That one is kind of funny.
	I just wanted to know if she's wearing it.
	Yeah.
	How much is a Tiffany gold bracelet?
	It was about $2,500.
	Wow.
	And wait.
	I am the flesh.
	But you asked for it, right?
	Yeah.
	So I said, buy me something then.
	And he said, what designer do you like?
	I said, I like Tiffany, but I don't like silver.
	And he was like, okay, give me some examples.
	So all the examples I so I remember the price.
	And everything.
	So.
	What?
	Not you, but the guy's pathetic.
	No, I don't think he's pathetic because I definitely think that what's the difference between sex work and what you did?
	I didn't have sex with him because way later.
	But he knew he would get something out of you.
	But obviously.
	Bro, I'd be a fucking poor, broke men for free, okay?
	Who doesn't give me shit?
	What is then the difference between an escort getting paid and you getting like sugar daddy?
	What is the difference between you, your boyfriend giving you something because you asked for it versus so right now in New York City, it's hard to claim someone as boyfriend because everybody is dating most like is like looking around a lot.
	So it sounds like you're the guy who wants to show you guys whatever but I don't want to be his girlfriend.
	It sounds like that other guy put you on layaway.
	What is a layaway?
	Layaway is when you start paying for something but you don't have enough money to get it right now.
	So you just pay a little bit every month so you can get that TV for later.
	Oh, am I the TV?
	You're the TV guy.
	But he's not getting the TV.
	He got the TV.
	Him and his boyfriend got the TV.
	He got a two scorpio.
	He got a TV.
	Your girlfriend, I'm so sorry.
	Because I wanted to have a threesome for a first time.
	Is that wrong?
	Like, you guys are not going to be able to do it.
	I don't know what you did.
	You're not doing it against me because I just find you very interesting.
	I'm not against you.
	No, no, not against, no, not against me, but against this opinion.
	Why is it that it's, why is it, are you compared that to sex work?
	Because why can't I be the one deciding I want to do the threesome?
	And gift is a completely different thing.
	Why is it that in your mind?
	We just had a threesome with him and I didn't.
	You said that he bought you the ticket and the bracelet so you could go see him.
	So in a way, that is a transaction.
	Yeah, but as a matter of fact, that's the same thing.
	There is a lot of trends bigger than because it's not.
	There's nothing wrong with it.
	It's nothing wrong with it.
	Was this I got a sugar daddy?
	That's fine.
	Was this?
	That's not a sugar daddy.
	Like, I only had sex with him once, and that's the threesome I wanted to have for the first time in my life on my birthday.
	Why am I wrong?
	Was it really your first threesome?
	Yes, I guarantee you.
	I swear to God.
	I swear to God, that's my one and only threesome.
	That's why I'm so proud to announce it.
	Guys, that's like the truth.
	And you guys are like, oh, shoot.
	Like, literally, that was the glorious moment of my life.
	And I wanted it.
	Wait, you're right.
	I haven't made any negative assumptions, by the way.
	I just asked you what the difference between what you did was.
	Yeah, it's very different.
	Because one is that these two things are different.
	Getting a gift because I want him to get me a gift.
	You sound like a prostitute explaining to the police why she shouldn't be arrested because she was receiving gifts for her time, not her body.
	She didn't sleep with Jackson because he gave her the gift.
	Would you sleep?
	We know each other for a year.
	But she went on to date with him for a year.
	Literally, we'd known each other for a year.
	And we tried to.
	I wouldn't fuck him if he'd not bought you the ticket if he knows.
	No, because that's such a hassle to go see him.
	I wouldn't go travel to.
	Mexico is freaking far from New York.
	You think I'm going to go see him if he doesn't give me something?
	If you didn't want you to bracelet putting any negative light on it.
	No, yeah, I know.
	I'm just saying that.
	If I wasn't buying you the bracelet, would you still suck his dick or not?
	I never sucked his dick.
	No, yeah, the threesome, or who you want to call it, I'm Dodge.
	I don't care.
	Would you have even seen him again?
	Yeah, if he buyed a bracelet.
	No.
	I got to interrupt a little bit.
	We'll come back to it.
	Really quick going back to you.
	So you gave yourself a rating of 10.
	So do you consider yourself the most attractive girl at the table?
	I mean, I'm like myself.
	Everybody's beautiful in their own unique way.
	I'm not going to women get scared to say that.
	Women get scared to say that.
	Well, that's best stuff to say.
	You're the only girl.
	You're the only girl who said you were 10.
	So are you?
	No, I'm not.
	But you gave yourself the highest rating at the table.
	Do you think you're the most beautiful girl at the table?
	No, I think they're all beautiful in different ways than me.
	Like, I have black hair.
	Like, you got the beautiful red hair.
	You got that.
	Everybody just looks very different.
	Oh, everybody just looks very different.
	They're on your level, then.
	I think they're all.
	I think they rated themselves very low compared to what they should be.
	None of them are more attractive than you, though.
	No, I think that they're more attractive in different ways.
	More attractive in different ways?
	Yeah, like we got a blonde, we got, we got everybody different, you know?
	Yeah, but being blonde in and of itself is typically not going to be sufficient.
	No, well, they all look good.
	It's just that we all are different people, and beauty is subjective.
	So me saying, I get like lots of hate.
	I get told I look ugly all the time, but I'm so used to it.
	I've been doing social media since I was 14.
	Okay.
	Like, I'm very used to it.
	And I understand.
	Wait, you get told you're ugly all the time?
	Yes.
	And I get called fat.
	I get called ugly.
	And I mean, I'm not mad.
	I don't listen to it.
	I don't really care if people want to hate one way.
	I mean, it seems like you're actually receiving albeit insulting feedback on your looks.
	So the 10 rating, let me ask you a question.
	If you were to be rated by, say, a group of a thousand men, what do you think the average rating would be for you?
	So I think that I have some features that are considered conventionally attractive and some features that are not.
	Like I'm more hourglass.
	But then obviously some men prefer like thinner women.
	Some men don't like I have a big nose.
	I have a very big Polish nose.
	And like some people don't like that.
	Like that's something I get hate on a lot.
	And I mean, I'm not gonna.
	I just, it's all subjective.
	I think probably they would say yes.
	But I'm not gonna lie, like I do feel like I get hit on a lot.
	I feel like I would get rated okay.
	Like, I think I'm more attractive than an answer soon or?
	Like an eight, maybe.
	Okay.
	But I think that many.
	Why do you think there's a difference between what you think?
	So you think you're a 10, but the average of what a thousand men would rate you as an eight.
	Why do you think there's a difference there?
	Because not everybody likes the same thing.
	Right, but this would be the average.
	So in this cohort of a thousand men, there could be some men that make you a 10.
	And some people are like, oh, I only date blonde, so you're a two.
	Like, everybody likes different things.
	You know, does that really exist?
	Yes.
	I only died.
	I mean, it's a mistake.
	Well, hold on.
	But so do you.
	Let me ask you a question.
	A guy who only dates blondes, do you think he would prefer to date a woman who's facially beautiful but is a brunette versus an ugly blonde woman?
	Which do you think he would rather choose or date?
	The attractive one, the brunette one.
	Well, then it's, I mean, based on this, it's clear to me that being blonde is not enough to shift the needle.
	Yes, but I'm saying, like, I mean, it's not real.
	Like, it's not like we're all ranked.
	There's no like objective number that all of us are.
	It's all subjective.
	I listen, I like really ugly men.
	Like, I love an ugly man with a big messed up nose.
	I love big nose.
	Yes.
	A big, messed-up nose.
	And all my friends are like, ew, why are you doing that ugly man?
	I'm like, well, he's a 10 to me.
	Like, it's all, there's no objective.
	Well, hold on.
	But you said he's ugly.
	Yes, but like, I like ugly menu.
	No, but how are you able to come to the determination he's ugly?
	Because people want to call him ugly.
	People like all of the boys I've dated ever, people are like, oh, why would you date him?
	But you get a lot of negative comments as well telling you you're ugly, so why aren't you ugly then?
	I'm ugly to some people.
	But you call another man ugly because other people telling he's ugly and you say I'm ugly.
	A lot of people call me ugly, so why aren't you then like a five or six instead of a ten?
	Why are women delusional?
	What is attract?
	What is it?
	What are ugly qualities to you as compared to attractive qualities?
	Like when you date an ugly man, what is ugly about him that's like undesirable, but you get over that?
	It's not undesirable.
	It's just that when I think of the word ugly, I think of because it's all subjective.
	For example, I have a big hump nose.
	Some people don't like that, but I figure that makes a man a 10 to me.
	I like a big nose.
	And so like, it's all just like, I'm not going to lie, beauty is subjective, and a lot of the ideas of where we get beauty, like the ideas of beauty, are like, at least we're in America, it's like American standards.
	You know what I mean?
	Like the blue eyes, the blonde hair, the standards are making a difference.
	I don't think a lot of people find the same thing attractive, right?
	Standards are being made because a lot of people find the same person as the same features, right?
	In a different country, you're right.
	In a different country, the beauty standard can be so drastically different.
	You can rate someone a one, and in China, it would be a 10.
	Seriously, I'm a European, too.
	Wait, hold on.
	You're saying like a woman who's a 10 in China is going to be a one in the US?
	I mean, that could happen, yes.
	Even though, wait, but hold on.
	So you aren't aware of the phenomenon that white men in Western countries tend to lean towards being white.
	White men actually tend to assess Asian women as very attractive.
	They do.
	They're very.
	Well, that's true.
	But what I'm saying is that there exists, like, the beauty standards are different.
	A lot of women that are really popular here in America, you guys treat as actresses.
	In our country, when we were growing up, we're like, what?
	We would never even pick her out of the street.
	That's our perception.
	So when I come to the U.S., I realize, oh my God, like the big ass is in.
	Like, in China, if you have a big ass, you get lipo.
	Like, you feed like a stick.
	The skin here is like this little, like chopsticks.
	So it's like so different, drastically different.
	And it changes by decades, too.
	He's so different.
	Yeah.
	If you look at the portrait of the Ming Dynasty, like women are beautiful, like very curvy, and they have like no chin because it was very wealthy looking, you know, masculine.
	And it's different.
	Because they were natural back then.
	Now we go to the plastic surgery because it's because the genders are different now.
	It changes so much.
	Everything changes.
	And like, I mean, I think it's kind of a little bit disrespectful to call me delusional because I'm addressing the fact that most men, not everybody thinks I'm a 10 because, listen, I think I'm a 10.
	And you asked me what I thought.
	You didn't ask me what everybody else thinks.
	And so you're not going to change my opinion of myself by being disrespectful to me.
	Well, I don't think it's disrespectful if you're actually delusional.
	You literally is a 10 to a lot of Chinese men.
	Why?
	Because first of all, your nose is really tall.
	You know, in China, people would put so much stuff to make their nose tall.
	And the reason I realized that is when I was younger, I watched a TV show.
	This actually has a really tall nose.
	And then like, and then I was just thinking, yeah, sorry, I'm interrupting.
	I was just thinking you're a 10, and I think you're not a person.
	You're a 10, a person who has no room for improvement.
	No, I do have room for improvement, but I but regardless, I still love myself at all times.
	That's great.
	I think that's great.
	Wait, did you say you were going to be better looking in 10 years' time?
	Yeah, but I mean, I can't.
	How many years' time?
	I mean...
	Or I forgot your answer.
	Just...
	You didn't ask me the 20 years.
	I mean, maybe probably I would look older, but like, I think I'll probably look good for like an old person.
	But so will you be better looking at 38.
	Or sorry, you're 21, excuse me.
	28.
	Will you be better looking at 31 as compared to now at 21?
	I think yes, because I probably like for I'm starting my career out.
	I'm making more money.
	I'm able to get more cosmetic procedures.
	In the next month, I get like my whole body done for the most part.
	Not a BBL, but.
	Well, one thing though.
	So if you're going to be better looking in 10 years' time, how can you possibly be a 10 now if you'll be better looking?
	Because 10 is the top you can go.
	You can't behind me.
	You can't be better looking than a 10.
	I love myself right now, and I would be completely fine if I just stayed like this the rest of my life.
	I'm a very confident person.
	But it's like I can still, I'm always, and also society is always changing.
	So for example, you look at the beauty trends of what women look like however many years ago, the little thin eyebrows, all that stuff.
	It's like it's constantly changing.
	Like you might like, like the clothing and all the everything changes.
	And in 10 years, it could be completely different.
	And I think I'll look good for that time.
	Well, I have another question then.
	You said you're going to be getting, how many plastic surgery procedures are you getting?
	I'm getting lipo in my arms and I'm getting 360 lipo, which is your waist.
	And I already have a very small waist.
	Why?
	Because I want to, I feel like, you know, like when you play video games and you have like the character and the skin, you save up, you get the skin, you like upgrade.
	I'm like, oh, like this will be like, I don't know.
	And also you have to think I'd probably make more money.
	Like, I mean, maybe not.
	So you're getting light bulb?
	But I do...
	You're getting lipo in the arms, lipo in the belly.
	And I'm getting a small implant to putting once more.
	Hold on.
	Kind of, yes.
	Hold on.
	Well, in addition to my other question, again, how can you possibly be a 10 now if you need to get these cosmetic surgeries?
	No one said I needed them.
	Well, you're getting them regardless.
	Well, I am in the adult industry, and I probably would make more money if I was, like, a lot of, that's kind of a big thing.
	And I'm not sure.
	So what will you be?
	So, okay.
	So, but these procedures are going to improve your looks?
	Yes.
	So then, what number will you be after the procedures?
	I will always consider myself a 10.
	I always, I do what I want with the way I look.
	But how can if it's increasing your physical attractiveness?
	Bro, you can normal down these specifics.
	You want me to say I'm like a not?
	I don't care.
	I really don't care what you think about how I look.
	That's fine.
	I think the question is.
	I don't know about your self-perception.
	It's more about like the free market doesn't think you're a 10, is what he's saying.
	And I think he's not wrong.
	I think you're not delusional.
	I think he's wrong because he's now thinking about other markets.
	There's American market, there's Chinese.
	She lives in all kinds of United States.
	So she's the public figure.
	Only fan is everywhere, right?
	You get traffic in the middle.
	You think she's a 10 in Korea?
	She can be a ton to some moment, May.
	Yeah, but you're beautiful.
	Yes.
	I'm fat in Korea.
	I'm fat in a lot of areas.
	Why are we just like debating her looks?
	Yeah, it's kind of like why, like, you really, like, you can, like, lips and you can think I'm not a 10.
	I don't care.
	Listen, I don't care.
	And I really don't care what you think about.
	But I think it's so crazy to get on a podcast and debate how a woman looks.
	I don't.
	Well, I'll tell you why it's important.
	Let me also just swamp.
	Why have we spent 20 minutes, like 15 minutes?
	No, no, you're not.
	Girls, I think you're feeling the wrong way.
	No, Not the wrong way you're saying or her answer or anything.
	Don't like come after me.
	Jesus Christ.
	You're saying, why are you viewing the point of view, la et cetera, et cetera.
	Are you all right?
	Well, it's kind of like stressful.
	You're getting me on a podcast to debate how I look, and I've already said I don't know.
	We talked about like, I'm not going to lie.
	I'm telling you that's great.
	Can I give her some tissue paper, please?
	Yeah, go get it then.
	I'm good.
	But it's a little bit overwhelming having a full table of people.
	You do social media and I do social media.
	I'm on live every day doing all my social media, but it's overwhelming.
	It is overwhelming, and you're kind of being a dickhead.
	Because what did I do?
	Well, I thought you didn't care.
	I mean, how.
	I don't care, but it's overwhelming.
	It's badgering.
	It's not badgering.
	I just want to keep talking about it over and over again for God knows how long.
	How much longer are you going to go on about it?
	I don't give a fuck.
	Call me an eight.
	I don't give a fuck.
	I don't care what the fuck you want to call me.
	I already said that I think I'm a 10, and this discussion is really pointless.
	Well, it does have a point.
	So, okay.
	Well, I guess I'm ugly now.
	I don't know what he was trying to say.
	Well, how about you let me make a little bit of a tip?
	I've been interrupted.
	I've been interrupted like three times in a row.
	I'm trying to make my point, but go ahead.
	Go ahead.
	I'm going to let you speak yourself.
	Let the man speak.
	I just think that he was trying to say, if you think you're a 10 now, that if you're getting work done, then isn't there room for improvement?
	He's not saying that you're not beautiful.
	You are beautiful.
	No, I already, I get the point he's trying to make.
	But it's like, I don't know, like Kylie Jenner, all these beautiful women, they can, they can, you can say they're a 10 and they can still go get stuff done.
	Kylie regrets it, though.
	Yeah, that's it.
	I don't think they're beautiful.
	I don't know.
	Guess what?
	It's so subjective.
	Exactly.
	Can we let him make his point?
	Okay, so you take issue with me using the word delusional, so let me just provide a definition.
	Characterized by or holding false beliefs or judgments about external reality that are held despite incontrovertible evidence to the contrary.
	So, or having false or unrealistic beliefs or opinions.
	So, I think the reality is there's a lot of women who come on the show.
	By the way, we ask this question every single day.
	You're very aware, and you always do this.
	No, don't always do it.
	I mean, if a girl gives herself a seven, or even if she gives herself seven, but she's not seven, I don't really push it.
	But to say you're a 10 is to say that you are on par with the most beautiful women in the world.
	And I'm not sure I'm prepared to like, I'm sure, I'm not really sure I'm prepared to accept that.
	Some men will think she's more beautiful than the most beautiful person.
	Like I said, I like ugly men.
	I would rather.
	I don't care what some men think.
	Who's some of the most attractive men you would ever see?
	I would turn them down immediately over like some like mid-white boy.
	Like, that's just how it is, and it's subjective.
	Well, it's not subjective because you've just made a characterization categorization.
	So you said there's beautiful men and there's mid-men.
	Why are you able to make an objective determination about someone's physical appearance, but you can't do that to yourself?
	She didn't make an objective judgment.
	It was subjective, right?
	You think someone is ugly.
	It's so good.
	She said there's beautiful men and there's mid-men.
	That's a categorization.
	Yeah, she categorized it in her mind.
	She thinks he's ugly and someone thinks she's beautiful.
	It's in his mind.
	It's not by the end of the day.
	But she's saying she's saying she likes to date those men who she's made a judgment and a determination on that they are less physically attractive by some sort of objective metric.
	That's not conventionally attractive.
	Right, you might be attracted to men, but for other reasons.
	Like maybe he's got a good personality.
	I'm not broke men.
	I'm not in it for like, like literally, like I'm so not.
	It's just, it is about the personality.
	And I don't care.
	Like, just because I say they're ugly doesn't, like, maybe conventionally speaking, they're considered ugly, but not to me.
	Okay, so.
	And I literally, it's so, like, dude, like, you're literally on a podcast debating a 21.
	How old are you, 21?
	I'm 21.
	You're debating.
	How is that relevant?
	Because it's your grown-ass man.
	And you asked to be on the show.
	Yeah, it is a show about dating relationships and how women and men perceive each other and themselves.
	How long have we been talking about this?
	Very long time.
	The podcast is six hours or whatever.
	We're just filling time here, having a discussion.
	Okay, well, I'm over it.
	I'm done.
	I think it's just a matter of opinion.
	It is a matter of opinion.
	That's what I've said the whole time.
	And you're going to say I don't think you should let it get too.
	Are you going to be able to do it?
	You're doing hard.
	No, You're literally pretty for a living.
	Yes.
	That's the important point.
	Well, yeah, but you might not be a 10 for a living, but you're doing great.
	You shouldn't be emotional.
	You're doing all right.
	No, I'm not.
	I'm upset because, listen, I'm an emotional person, and it's just a little bit overwhelming.
	I think beauty is in the eyes of the beholder, obviously.
	I've got to say that.
	But I think if you are making categories about men, what you are saying, you are right.
	You have to be honest with yourself as a woman.
	In what category do I fail?
	Bro, it's crazy to me because, like, women are super picky, and you guys literally have laundry lists of like what a guy has to meet physically, personality-wise.
	You guys have lists of what a guy has to bring to the table.
	But when guys start talking about, like, okay, here's what we want, and whenever it gets into the realm of physical appearance, which by the way, women care way fucking more than men about this shit, I guarantee you, you go on a fucking dating app, y'all are swiping no on 90% of the dudes without reading their fucking profile.
	Instantly, you look at the first photo, mid, mid, don't like it.
	Y'all are way pickier.
	Y'all are way pickier about looks than men.
	So I'm not going to take this like, oh, this is like misogyny men or like, well, why they care so much about looks.
	Y'all care way fucking more about it.
	It's okay that you care about looks.
	Y'all care way fucking more about looking at it.
	I definitely agree with that.
	And so I'll tell you exactly why it matters and why I push back on what I view as women having an over-inflated sense of their own physical attractiveness.
	So let me start by asking a question.
	Do you think that there are men out there who think that they're more attractive than they actually are?
	Yes.
	Do you think there are men who think they're hot shit?
	Yes.
	But they're not.
	90%.
	So that's you.
	Mom, mom.
	But so you, I'm sure you object to men who think they're super fucking cocky and who think they're hot shit and think they can get all these girls, but they don't.
	Right?
	Yeah.
	But somebody thinks you're that much and more.
	Yes, exactly.
	You know who they are.
	I'm not saying they're, look, there's going to be guys that are attracted to you.
	That's not what I'm trying to argue here.
	But like, if you can say that there are men out there who think that they're hot shit, but they ain't nothing.
	But guess what?
	I'm not mad about them saying that.
	But you might say they're delusional.
	Um, I mean, maybe, but I mean, I don't know.
	If they, it depends.
	Because a lot of the, a lot of them, like, maybe I don't like them, but like, there are other women that do.
	There's a reason they're like that.
	Actually, I would say that so.
	Like, listen, I'm in college.
	Do you know how many boys that I like have to deal with that?
	Actually, I got to push back on this specific thing, too.
	So, I would actually argue that in terms of what men will find attractive, men have, in terms of what they deem physically attractive, men have a much wider margin of women they'll find attractive.
	Like, I would say most men find most women attractive.
	Most women definitely don't find most men attractive.
	That's true.
	And this is why you have average women who think they deserve the fucking world.
	They're mid-chicks who deserve like a top-tier dude.
	You don't.
	And what's that?
	Average women deserve average men.
	Average men deserve average women.
	Guess what?
	And what's going on?
	Hold on.
	What's going on in the dating marketplace, especially on dating apps, you got average women who can get sexual access to really attractive men.
	They'll never get commitment, but they'll spend their 20s fucking the attractive dudes, never getting commitment, getting passed around by fuckboys.
	And then when it's time to settle, when they're in their late 20s or 30s, they're going to feel entitled to a certain caliber of guy that'll never give them commitment.
	They're going to settle for a guy who's actually in their league.
	That guy's not going to get good treatment.
	It's going to be terrible for the relationship.
	But a lot of women, because it's a global sexual marketplace, you can hop on Instagram, you can hop on a dating app and get average chicks can get dicked down like three times a day if they want to.
	That's an issue.
	That's not like that.
	Men are more sexual.
	Yeah.
	They don't actually like.
	But here's the thing.
	So, so here's the thing.
	So for a guy, our league, our league is the women that we can sleep with.
	Y'all league is the men you can get commitment and marriage from.
	Because as a girl, you can sleep with a guy.
	It's not immediately clear if you can sleep with a guy, you can always get him in, or with near certainty, get him into a relationship.
	But as a guy, if I can sleep with a girl, there's a very strong chance I can get her into a relationship.
	That's so false.
	What is the matter?
	They basically say that the 80-90% of the men I date, I don't want a relationship with that.
	Well, hold on.
	There's trumpets.
	There's obviously strumpets that are fine engaging in casual sex.
	I don't think so.
	The saying is that when women are nice to men, men feel entitled to sex.
	When men are nice to women, women feel entitled to commitment.
	No.
	No, I don't feel entitled.
	I don't want to commit to most of the men I see.
	That's an L.
	Yeah, because they're really losers.
	They have to be.
	Do you fuck losers?
	That's what I'm saying.
	I fucked losers.
	That's an L. That's an L, bro.
	Because I need to get off, man.
	Sometimes you have to.
	You said you don't even get off.
	You said you're vibrating.
	I always bring my tiny vibrator with me.
	It's like this big, okay?
	If he can't get me off, I have my ways.
	Sometimes you need a warm body.
	You need a good cuddle.
	What's wrong with that?
	I separate business with STDs.
	Cuddle.
	You get STDs from cuddle.
	Do you know how many guys are my cuddle buddies?
	Because they want to be honest.
	And you're not having condoms.
	You know what condoms are?
	What is your sex?
	Do you know what condoms are you?
	Condoms.
	You think that stops an STD?
	Oh, so you're saying I shouldn't have sex when I want to have sex with someone?
	Because I want to scratch an itch.
	Like, that's so like we're not going to be able to do it.
	Yeah, it's called sexual discipline.
	What?
	So you don't have sexual discipline.
	You've never, ever had sex with a girl without a condom or like you're just like...
	Wait, okay, we're talking about two totally different things here.
	Okay.
	Okay, so.
	I just don't understand why you're thinking what I did is unreasonable.
	It's like very irritating.
	You can do what you want.
	Yeah, exactly.
	I don't know what's going on.
	I'm actually against like culture.
	I'm not promiscuous.
	I just want to cuddle someone.
	Sometimes I want to fuck someone.
	Is it different?
	No, your problem is good.
	Oh, wait, wait, wait.
	But how is your ideal man?
	What does he look like?
	Or is it just your ideal man, like a sex doll or something?
	Because I don't know.
	No.
	It's like at different stages of my life, I have different ideas.
	For example, with my five-year relationship, I was with the same guy for five years.
	So if you're a family, there's a love phase where that's when I actually did one night stand and I regretted it.
	And then there are times where I'm like seriously want to date someone.
	People change throughout their years and they want different things.
	So I don't understand what's like.
	So if you regretted it, then would you say that like if you could go back, would you still have one night stand?
	I would have because at that time, if I didn't have one night stand, I wouldn't have known I regret it.
	You know what I mean?
	Here, we'll get to that in a sec.
	To wrap up on the whole 10 thing, here's what I see going on in the dating marketplace.
	You have, and I've spoken to over a thousand women on the show.
	It's not all women, but I don't know if it's a majority or who knows the exact number.
	But there's enough women who are totally average.
	Totally average.
	They don't want to date average men.
	That's a problem.
	For average men, not for them.
	No, well, it's also a problem for the women because then they end up getting into relationships with men who will never commit to them.
	I will believe it if a woman said it.
	But you've read that.
	Yeah, where did you read that?
	What's the source?
	Or did women say that to you?
	The dating apps are proof enough.
	So if you have dating app, Tinder, all these dating apps have released, not all of the dating apps, but they've released data on this.
	Women swipe no on 90% of men.
	Yo, chart, dude, thank you for the big gift at 50 subs, man.
	Really appreciate it.
	Thank you, chart 166.
	Yeah, I mean, this is a thing.
	But why do you think a woman...
	It's not 90, it's 95.
	I think what he's meaning.
	But why do you think women are unhappy?
	Maybe women are more happy.
	Let me look at this.
	Because of their choices.
	Thank you for giving that.
	Hold on, hold on.
	Hold on.
	Hold on.
	Stop.
	They have a different view.
	Okay, the experiences of men and women on Tinder.
	Women match with 36% of those they like, while men match with less than 2%.
	Like and match, like but no match pass.
	So women are super picky when it comes to looks.
	Okay.
	And just in general, they're super picky.
	And so if women are overlooking men that are actually in their league because they think, for example, if you think that you're a 10 and you genuinely believe it, certainly you must be deserving of a man who's a 10.
	And so what is that going to look like?
	A man who thinks is a 10.
	Who she thinks is a 10.
	That's important to add.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	She thinks is a 10.
	Not in the world.
	Mostly all these women they want to date men are more attractive.
	I already said I like the men that are not considered attractive.
	I like the little shorties.
	Yeah.
	What she thinks is a 10.
	Maybe she likes broke eyes.
	Maybe that's enough.
	Maybe someone likes homeless people.
	I don't really care.
	I don't really care.
	She just throws you under the bus immediately.
	I'm not saying you're not going to be in her eyes.
	So yeah, if she thinks a 10, she will find someone who she thinks is a 10.
	That doesn't mean you won't think he's a 10.
	Well, I think, look, again, the big issue here is that I see going on in the dating marketplace is average women don't want to date average men.
	True.
	And then, but here's the problem.
	If I'm an average guy and I want to get sexual access to above average women, I can't.
	Exactly.
	And that sounds like your problem.
	No, no, no, no.
	Hold on.
	I don't have, I don't object to that.
	Yeah.
	Here's the problem.
	Average women can get sexual access to above average men.
	Yeah, that's nice.
	I don't want to.
	Well, but here's the thing.
	Here's the thing.
	Who's letting them in?
	Who's letting them have that access?
	Well, hold on.
	Who's more to blame?
	Like 2% of men or the 50% of women who are engaged in the hookup culture?
	They're like more selective.
	Women are more selective.
	Sorry, women are more so attractive.
	But so I'll grant to you that there are hyper-promiscuous, super-attractive men that sleep with a fuck ton of women.
	But it's not clear to me if it's a small proportion of men versus like, let's say, here's the thing also.
	I would say that almost any woman, if she wants to, has access to hookup culture.
	Can't say the same thing about men.
	That's true.
	Most men don't have access to hookup culture because they aren't attractive enough to be able to be sleeping with that many women consistently.
	Whereas an average girl, hold on.
	Hold on.
	An average girl.
	A lot of lizards.
	Okay.
	An average girl, if she wanted to, could fuck three new guys a day.
	And what's the problem here?
	What are you doing?
	Yeah, where's my field?
	The problem is, is you have average women chasing after men that are out of their league.
	Yes.
	And then they think they're entitled to those men.
	They'll never get commitment.
	And then when they finally have to settle down in their late 20s or 30s, they're going to like have all these experiences with all these men who are more attractive than their partner.
	And they're going to think like, I'm settling, but actually they're not.
	They're actually unhappy.
	I have two points to that.
	One, why do you think they're unhappy?
	Maybe they settle and they're happy and they live their 20s, you know, dating hot men.
	And then in their 30s, they can settle with the average men.
	And that's great for them.
	Cheer for them.
	So what's wrong with that?
	I don't see a problem.
	So there's this thing.
	So can I ask you a question?
	I want you to think right now, the most attractive guy you've ever dated and been with.
	Can you?
	Oh, there's a few.
	Okay.
	It depends.
	Like, do you want the European style or like more scrawny, doctor-smart style?
	It depends.
	So what?
	Can you think of one man in particular who is like leaps and bounds above them all?
	No, I can't because everybody have their pros and cons.
	That's why you cannot objectively rate a person.
	Like someone might be really tall and handsome and strong and have a small dick.
	Some other guy would be a very fat dick, but it's like kind of short.
	So it's like you can never ever get a lot of fun.
	But what's your subjective opinion about the most because I can't because when you're with them, it's a different feeling.
	Sometimes it makes you feel calm.
	Sometimes it makes you feel passionate.
	How can you decide that?
	That's crazy.
	Have you ever been in love before?
	I'd be in love every time.
	I date someone.
	I believe you.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	If there's no rock question, I really need to pee.
	Okay, go pee.
	I'm so sure.
	Giovanni Jade, you donated $200.
	Brian's telling the truth.
	When I was a DGen, I slept with tons of women that were mid.
	Because I was bored.
	Drunk, etc., but only wife the nines.
	Shameful behavior, but it applies to all D-Gen men.
	Yo, Giovanni, appreciate it, man.
	Look, I mean, there's a lot of guys that will, I think one of the big things, and I've brought this up in previous shows, is that when it comes to, like, more casual flings or whatever, a guy will sleep down, whereas, like, if a girl's inclined to have, like, a one-night stand or casual thing, she'll typically prioritize, like, going for the most attractive guy she can get.
	Whereas when a man's trying to get like casual sex, he'll lower his standards for looks.
	So when it comes to a guy will sleep with a girl that just on looks alone, he will never be in a relationship with her.
	However, I would argue typically that for a woman even to have like casual sex, one night stand or whatever, in order to have a one-night stand or casual sex with a guy, he typically has to be at least attractive enough for her to be in a relationship with him.
	It's also dangerous if you're a woman and you don't understand that men will lower their standards and be disgusting and sleep with people who are less than, because then you feel special because this guy who you perceive is so hot is choosing you and you're like, oh, that's crazy.
	But you're not special.
	He's using you.
	You get a lot of heartbreak after.
	You're getting older, you want to settle down, you have this fishing in your head, like, oh my God, I deserve a man that looks like that.
	Well, the idea is that he makes you feel so special.
	Eventually, you're going to meet a normal guy who is in your league.
	He will not make you feel special.
	And now you're like, what am I missing here?
	What's going on?
	Because you have that version in your head that you deserve some kind of.
	Yeah.
	You're doing yourself a disservice.
	I feel like it's a lot.
	Those numbers are the way they are because men are just desirous in general more so than women are.
	Their sexual desire is up here.
	Ours is like right here.
	And so that's why I feel personally, I think that the numbers are that way.
	They're just going to settle for whatever they can, you know, they can do the deed with.
	Oh, yeah, women sleep with who they want and men sleep with who they can.
	Exactly.
	Let me see if there's any other chats here.
	Then we're going to move on to a new topic.
	Oh, we have quite a few coming in here.
	Peachy, can I have you read some of these?
	Sure.
	Thank you, negative 100.
	Girls in the right corner look perpetually offended.
	Isis, you may not realize it, but you seem like a god-level gold digger.
	I hope you change.
	Otherwise, I pity your future signatory.
	Don't sue me.
	Signatory.
	Or science.
	Okay.
	What is that?
	Negative 100.
	Appreciate it.
	All right.
	Go ahead.
	Didn't know Pink Dress was a prostitute.
	Rescind my last TTS.
	Shame.
	Find Christ.
	Isis dating mindset is: I'll hide how foul I am until you're in too deep.
	Deaf CCP plant.
	She's dated Eric Salwell.
	Did you date Eric Swalwell?
	I don't know who's Eric.
	I've never dated Eric.
	Okay.
	But I am a certified gold digger.
	I am not negative 100.
	She is a certified gold digger.
	She was behind the scenes, but she heard it.
	Curtis Leone.
	Oh, thank you.
	Hold on.
	Go ahead.
	Red dress is right.
	I myself prefer curvy women because they remind me of Dependos.
	I had one I called Bluebird.
	She lived in my barracks room for two weeks.
	I had to kick her out to avoid an NJP.
	Okay, thank you, Curtis Leone.
	Appreciate it, man.
	Thank you for the message.
	We have Robert Tanner coming in.
	Oh, this is chart 166.
	Thank you, Robert.
	Appreciate it.
	Hey, I am Chart166 on Twitch.
	Just FYI.
	Good show.
	One last contribution for tonight.
	Any one of us to give ourselves a 10 out of 10 have self-esteem issues coming from a millionaire?
	You have self-esteem issues.
	Robert, do you want to marry me?
	No, you deserve a billionaire.
	Does she?
	Yes.
	No, I think not.
	Okay, then she does.
	Do you deserve a billionaire?
	It depends.
	I don't think.
	I think there's a better chance I get to a billion than my husband gets to a billion.
	So I have to say that.
	Either way, I do not deserve a billionaire just to serve a hardworking man.
	Andrews Leiter donated $200.
	Asian girl prattled for 10 minutes, then told Brian to get to the point.
	Chef's kiss.
	A lot of prattle.
	Thank you, Andrew's Leiter.
	Appreciate it, man.
	Thank you for the.
	What does prattle mean?
	TTS.
	Prattle is like when you speak without a point for a certain amount of time.
	Oh, so it's like a bad comment.
	Yeah, you're like prattling on it.
	Oh, I'm sorry.
	Inconsequential talk that doesn't really further the conversation.
	Anyways, going back to Isis here.
	Oh, the Tiffany gold bracelet.
	Oh, so you were saying, like, so you asked for it.
	It wasn't just like a gift, like, you asked for it for the second date.
	No, I said, buy me a gift.
	He said, I'm in New York for two days.
	And I said, it's too much for me.
	It's too much trouble for me to get back.
	Then buy me a gift if you want to see me.
	And then he's a wood designer.
	No, you said in your pre-show notes, I asked for a Tiffany gold bracelet in order to go on the date and he complied.
	Yeah, literally, pre-show note, I spent like two minutes typing because I don't really want to type in my tiny phone.
	So like what I literally just said was what happened.
	He texted me, I'm coming to New York for two days.
	Come hang out with me.
	I said, no, I'm in Mexico.
	I don't want to go back.
	He's like, it's too much trouble.
	And he begged a little bit.
	I was like, okay, then get me a gift.
	Yeah, I've asked for that's what happened.
	But so he paid for your flight back.
	And then he also had to.
	Was it a round trip that he sent you back to Tulum?
	I assume you were in Tulum.
	No, I was in Mexico City.
	Oh, nice.
	That's okay.
	Now, going around the table on this, do you, if you wanted to go on a second date with a guy and he said, well, you have to buy me a $2,500 item, would you not just laugh in his fucking face, starting with you?
	I would laugh in his face and I would not talk to him.
	I would too.
	But why?
	Because he's a man and you're the woman?
	No, it has nothing to do with men and women, everybody.
	It has everything to do with what I wanted.
	But what if he wants it?
	It's the same way.
	It doesn't matter what he wants.
	It matters what I want.
	So if a guy did that, though, like let's say you went on the first date with a guy and you want to go on a second date with him and he's like, well, it's kind of trouble for me.
	I guess I can go on a second date with you if you spend $2,500 on me.
	Okay.
	How would you react?
	I just wouldn't go on a date with him.
	Would you laugh?
	I don't know if I would laugh or not, maybe.
	Would you think that's a ridiculous ask?
	Yeah, I would think maybe he doesn't want to go on a second date.
	That's why he asked for such a thing.
	You would be such an amazing dominatrix or something.
	Just embarrassing.
	What about you?
	No, I will not do that.
	You wouldn't do that.
	Maybe if I had the money.
	If you had the money, you would do it?
	Okay.
	Maybe.
	I think that's crazy after meeting somebody for only once.
	Sure.
	No, but listen, like I said, I like to spend money on my men, but not after a second date.
	Uh-uh.
	Yeah, and spend it on my boyfriend, not on a second date.
	Would you do that?
	If a girl asks.
	Straight up mental illness.
	There's no possible way.
	I can't imagine a scenario where I would even kind of entertain that.
	Your man card has to be revoked if you do some shit like that.
	Yeah, that's insane.
	That's crazy.
	Even if you were a millionaire, the idea that you would let some, because that's actually demeaning.
	The bow is like respect, but to ask someone for a monetary gift in order for their total.
	When you have little and you give little, you think that's a lot.
	When you have a lot, you give a little.
	That's very little.
	So it's like, it's about how big you are inside.
	Even if a woman asked for a $20 bracelet to go on a date with me, I would be like, no.
	It's the requirement.
	Yeah.
	I would say no because it seems like he's depending on me to, I guess, be financially ready for everything else.
	Okay.
	Let's see.
	You already talked about how you had a threesome with him.
	You said a guy you just started seeing brought me to their dental school graduation party and I made a complete fool of yourself.
	Right.
	So it's during COVID and because of COVID, there's no, sorry.
	There's no, there were a couple years, there's no graduation party for his dental school.
	So he finally had one.
	So he didn't have one for three years.
	And then he decided to bring me on a second date or a third date.
	Maybe I'm cursed on a second day or something.
	Yeah.
	And then I got so at first I wore a red dress.
	He came into my room and asked me to change the dress because he said it would look too much.
	And then I changed the dress to black.
	And then we went to the party, and his friend got drunk and accidentally accidentally spilled wine on my shoes, on my dress.
	Can you tilt your mic down?
	Oh.
	On my shoes?
	Just from the back here, from the back.
	Oh my god.
	No, no, no.
	Down.
	There you go.
	Okay, go ahead.
	On my shoes and on my dress.
	And I just broke out crying and I couldn't stop crying because I felt like I was just triggered by something.
	And I just cried all night with him.
	And then he never saw me again.
	You said you groped a guy at the bar because you were bored?
	Can we move on to another person for a bit?
	Well, I gotta get through all your notes here.
	Okay, sure.
	Was this the thing you already told us about?
	I don't think so.
	So there's one time I was at a bar and my friend was hit on by an Australian dude and she's really interested.
	So I was being a good friend, trying to make conversation with the neighboring.
	And then this guy has pretty good big arms, really into arms.
	So I started like, you know, chatting with him, talking to him about his arms.
	I was like, can I touch it?
	And I started touching his arms.
	And like, you know, I just started, you can tell when a guy likes it.
	So I started, you know, groping him, touching him.
	He really likes me.
	And we left contacts.
	The next day, he asked me out, but at the time, I was like, my therapist was like, don't date.
	So I decided on today, I said, no, I'm not dating at the moment.
	Two weeks later, I was streaming on TikTok.
	That's when I had 2,000 followers, look less than.
	So I was like, I was willing to do anything to increase my views.
	I was cat calling men on the street.
	That was one and only time I was cat calling men on the street.
	And me and my friend were setting up a camera.
	And then we did that for two hours.
	And the last five minutes, I was like, okay, just one last guy.
	And then I'm going to go home.
	And then this guy walks past.
	Two guys walk past in suits.
	I catcall them.
	And then they're like, oh my god, I know you.
	Turns out he recognized me from two weeks ago.
	And then that's how we met again.
	Do you still have therapy?
	Yeah.
	That's great.
	Can you give me an example of a cat call for a man?
	Like, what were you doing?
	It's not really cat call.
	Like, I was really just complimenting.
	It's really coordinated.
	It's not coming.
	You said you were brought to a surprise.
	And when you say, at least the groping, you were just like touching his biceps.
	Is that it?
	Oh?
	Sorry, what?
	Are you actually?
	Okay.
	Sorry.
	I was reading a negative comment.
	Okay.
	About me.
	Just ignore it.
	Just ignore it.
	Okay, I was like, can we pick it up?
	Repeat the question.
	No, please don't put it back.
	So the groping thing.
	Yeah.
	It was just like his arms.
	You were just like grabbing his arms.
	No, I kind of moved it down due to chest and the belly and then down a little bit.
	You touch his penis.
	I picked that thing.
	I was thinking at the moment.
	Okay.
	You said you were brought to a surprise date at a Michelin Star restaurant.
	He prepared a surprise with a diamond ring and champagne.
	Yeah.
	How much was the diamond ring?
	$5,000 from Tiffany's.
	And this was a first date, second date, third date?
	No, we were dating for half a year.
	Oh, half a year.
	Oh, okay.
	And we were serious.
	Very serious.
	Like, talking about marriage.
	Here's a gift.
	I don't know if I can say that.
	I don't want to say that here, actually.
	So a proposal.
	I don't want to say that here.
	Yeah, so a proposal.
	We'll say it for you.
	Don't worry.
	No one would be wrong if that was if he proposed to you.
	No, it's just for privacy reasons because some people might know that.
	So I don't know.
	I don't want to say that.
	All right.
	Let's see.
	Are these men rich?
	I'm sorry, Brian.
	It's okay.
	I just have to.
	Are these men rich or are they like doing the most to get you these things?
	No, most of them are my colleagues.
	They're pretty wealthy.
	But I have dated a poor person before, like people who make less.
	No, like people who make like less.
	No, sure, you can talk about poor people.
	I grew up poor.
	It's fine.
	No, my parents.
	Yeah, okay.
	So they're your colleague, so then you have the same amount of money or close to it, personally.
	Yeah, but I spend a lot of it on myself.
	Like, I spend so much money on myself.
	That's so terrible.
	I don't keep anything.
	Yeah.
	I have a shopping so hard.
	It's really hard.
	It's so difficult to be a woman.
	But do you like, because you take so much care of yourself, like you call it, is it like that you expect a man to take care of you in the same way you do for yourself, like financially with the gifts and stuff like that?
	That would be nice.
	Does your father take care of your mother?
	Expect the gift girl.
	Very financially.
	That's where I learned it from.
	He was the breadwinner.
	We had a lot of bad things happen to my family, but one thing that was really consistent was that he's really a big gift giver.
	And I think that's where I got it from.
	Every time he'd go on a business trip, he would always ask me what I want.
	And I think that's also bad, it's terrible, but he used it as a way to apologize.
	Are you an only child?
	No, I have a younger brother.
	So he expresses his love with gifts giving.
	Isn't that a little bit lonely as well?
	I think among my dad's side of family, we're not very close, but mom's side gave me a lot of love.
	So I feel like that filled.
	But if you look like your relationship with your daddy, only giving you gifts and gifts, isn't it a little bit lonely?
	I definitely lack a certain secure bond with men.
	That's why I wasn't serious.
	You think?
	But either way, is it like when you get gifts, is that reminding you of your dad a little bit?
	The bondage you're having?
	Yeah, because you have a lot of daddy issues.
	I have a lot of daddy issues.
	That's sexy.
	Thank you.
	Okay.
	So let's see here.
	You went back to the hotel with the Tiffany suitcase and the bag of clothes I put into a shopping bag during our trip that he noticed and purchased?
	So that's where we went to that trip, we went to Chicago.
	That's where I got the diamond ring.
	And after I got that, the diamond ring happened on the third or fourth day of the trip.
	The first day I put some clothes in the shopping bag.
	And when I was napping, he actually bought it and got it delivered to the hotel room.
	She was proposing all the way down daisy and nervous as fuck.
	And then, so when I got back after the diamond ring, I see a suitcase and the clothes I bought was inside.
	It was the special date that I was.
	Since they're like ruining dating for like everybody.
	Yeah, do you think you were nice to him?
	Like, do you think he had like you were kind to him or generous?
	I'm also a very generous person.
	I got him a very expensive watch, also.
	Like, for example, I took this person on a date before where I, it's a surprise Broadway ticket.
	Can you scoot your mic to the edge of the table?
	Sorry, it was the best seat.
	It was a surprise.
	And it costs a lot of money, too.
	I don't think about it that way.
	Yeah.
	So, anyways, you also said you got too drunk during a date and you were taken by ambulance.
	Yeah.
	Like you.
	So.
	Short version, please, and leave the edge of the table.
	Sorry, just have it.
	It's just because it was a party.
	And it was like, I was really nervous because he's one of the most attractive guys I've dated.
	So I just kept on drinking.
	And then I was like, oh, I want to take a nap.
	So I leaned against the chair.
	And then I just couldn't wake up, they say, but I don't remember.
	A quick date nap.
	People take them.
	And then they call the ambulance because they don't know me well enough to know.
	All right.
	Just a powerful 10 minutes.
	The Asian girl doesn't look anything special if I was hammered.
	Damn, bro, what the fuck?
	I'd give her a 4.2.
	You're a gold digger.
	I want my money back.
	He wants his $200 back.
	Do you want a response?
	Or do you have a response to JJ Matt here?
	No, I definitely think some people might think I'm 4.2.
	Okay.
	But that's a.
	10 out of 10 amigo.
	That's why we're friends.
	Okay.
	Let's see.
	You said that.
	Oh, all right, you guys can bond after the show.
	You said that you like to promote healthy female sexual pleasures, parentheses, orgasms.
	Yes.
	Okay, cool.
	I like female orgasms.
	I think guys do too.
	Like other people's or?
	No, no, no, no.
	I want every woman to know how to pleasure themselves to completion as many times as possible.
	Okay.
	You said you like to encourage girls to do more and date more to gain more experience.
	Yeah, more data points.
	Otherwise, your data will be skewed.
	It's not complete.
	Okay, so like you think women should be dating multiple men at the same time?
	No, that's not true.
	I think I right now.
	I'm not asking a question, yeah.
	No, I don't think so.
	I think at this point in my life, I actually do want to date one person at a time.
	Now you do.
	Yeah, now I do.
	But I didn't before.
	Like I said, I just started getting serious with you.
	Right, but so let's talk about before.
	You were dating multiple people at the same time.
	Yeah.
	Would you ever like sleep with multiple people at the same time?
	No, because I would be too scared of STD.
	Okay.
	I get checked like every other week.
	I'm paranoid.
	And anxious.
	If you can't tell.
	Abstinence, too.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	But you would be dating then multiple people.
	Yeah, going on dates.
	Like what was the most amount of, I hear this term roster, right?
	What was the biggest your roster ever was?
	Like, I don't think I ever had, so there's one week I had a date, every single date with different men.
	but they're all first dates and i didn't have for second dates with any of the men and there were days where it was so there were one time on tuesday a guy was like can i take you out tomorrow I said, I'm booked up tomorrow.
	Can you do breakfast?
	So he actually came to my work.
	We had breakfast as a breakfast date.
	And there's a lunch date also.
	So it's like, like, I squeeze in.
	But they never got a second date.
	It's not.
	No, nothing physical.
	So you went on one date every single day of the week.
	There was a period of my time I did that for more than one week.
	I don't know.
	Like, maybe.
	A couple months?
	I don't know the specifics.
	I don't know.
	You don't find that many guys.
	Except that you're not.
	I like enough.
	I got a sock to put on.
	Where do you find those men?
	Like, are they really valuable?
	She lives in New York City.
	Yeah, she's in New York.
	It's true if you go out, you can get like four or five number if you're actually dancing with people and chatting with people.
	Do you have a brother?
	Just curious?
	Younger brother.
	How old is he?
	Six years younger than me.
	So he's 21?
	Okay.
	I'm just curious, do you think he has like equivalent, like if he wanted to, do you think he could get a date with a girl every single day of the week?
	No.
	Why is that?
	Do you ever talk to him about dating?
	Yeah.
	Do you think, does he start with?
	So first of all, I want to just announce this.
	He's a very, very private person.
	And if I say anything, that's too detailed.
	Tony, please forgive your sister.
	But I want to do that.
	We can't say anything about Tony, you guys.
	Everyone be cool.
	You call him by his name.
	His advice.
	His address.
	Name and everything.
	Tony.
	What about Tony?
	So he likes boys and he's a little feminine.
	Yeah.
	Ever growing up, I always thought that way.
	Is he bi or is he gay?
	I think he's gay.
	Okay, well, I can't really go this route then.
	If he was straight, though, do you think he would based on, I think, like he's a little on the short side, and I'm kind of glad he's gay because I think as a woman, I like taller men, so I would feel kind of like, you know.
	Wait, hold on, he's your brother.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Wait.
	No, like, what I mean for him, because like if he's a guy, like, I feel like a lot of women would think, oh, he's short.
	So I wouldn't want to date him.
	So like, because he's gay, I feel like it's less, maybe, I might be wrong, but I feel like they're more lenient towards height.
	I mean, one of the points I was going to make with this is I feel like it's not that I feel like I know.
	So women definitely have dating on easy mode compared to men.
	Like, I mean, did you ever go on multiple dates in one day?
	Like, two dates in one day?
	Three dates?
	No.
	Three dates?
	I don't remember three, but two dates.
	Okay, you've had two.
	Two dates.
	I mean, like, I would say very few men are able to line up like a date with a different woman every single day of the week.
	I don't know what the percentage is, but and I was asking about your brother because I like to think about like, okay, well, if a woman of, you know, based on how she looks or whatever, this is her sexual optionality.
	And if you look at like her brother, which would be pretty close to her, like, what would be her looks equivalent?
	I often get reports from women that they can get laid super easy.
	Well, I mean, that's a given with women.
	Get laid super easily, go on dates super easily, but then you ask about their brothers, and their brothers are significantly struggling to date, which is just an interesting, like, your looks equivalent, like somebody who shares your genetics, is struggling to date.
	Like, it is interesting.
	So, y'all have that shit on easy mode, son.
	Let me read this from FPV Flight Airborne.
	Please do an episode with all of the most destructive women.
	Asian girl, Desiree, the blonde is super hot.
	Send me a message.
	Oh, there you go.
	Okay.
	FPV Flight Airborne.
	There's your husband.
	There you go.
	Oh, no, he's in the military.
	Trigger.
	Yo, thank you, FPV.
	Appreciate it, man.
	Okay, we have, let's see, you wanted to touch on daddy issues and trauma.
	We don't have to go.
	Yeah, let's not talk.
	But you have been in therapy for six years.
	Yeah.
	Yes.
	Still, right?
	You're still.
	Has it helped?
	Yeah.
	That's it.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	I haven't really.
	Yeah, just question woman.
	That's a fashionable thing to do.
	I haven't heard anybody who's like gone to therapy and actually like gotten better.
	You know, you are the average of the five people around you, right?
	So it doesn't surprise me people around you didn't get better because it seemed like the average for him would be the hundreds of women he had.
	No, we are not around him.
	Okay, we're not around him.
	I'm not going to be around him after this.
	But you are currently.
	I am, unfortunately.
	Unfortunately, why isn't that?
	Nothing.
	Bro, I wouldn't.
	Even if you offered to pay me to date you, I wouldn't do that.
	I don't want to date.
	I don't want to date you either, bro.
	You're fucking crazy.
	I know.
	You dated a fuck ton of dudes.
	I ain't about that.
	You don't, you know nothing about anything.
	You're just making assumptions.
	Oh, you're telling me that you're telling everybody that you date all over your TikTok.
	Oh, really?
	Everything you see online is real?
	Sounds like something you're doing.
	No, you're just saying that you are on TikTok telling about your real life.
	So that's not an assumption you're telling about your real life.
	So just because I tell stories about different men, that means I had sex with many men on Instagram.
	He didn't say you had sex.
	He didn't say you were with many.
	But you probably were having sex with him.
	Okay, make another assumption.
	What else do you assume about me?
	Don't get that.
	How about you talking about that?
	That's the extent of it.
	Okay, cool.
	But, I mean, you're trying to be like, oh, Brian really wants to fuck me, but gross.
	Oh, I don't think you want to fuck me.
	I think I don't.
	I know that.
	Like, I accept that fact and I actually have that prediction.
	You know, I literally assumed that as soon as I saw you, I was like, we literally cannot be in the same room, but I have to because I said yes.
	Why don't you want to be in the same room?
	Because of the way he treats women, how many questions?
	I don't think you said yes.
	I think he said yes.
	You thought we were all.
	He didn't ask me.
	Oh, okay, okay.
	He saw your TikTok and thought.
	This is awesome.
	I got to get this girl on here.
	And he was correct because this is entertaining.
	That's true.
	Wait, so sorry.
	The objection here is the way that I treat women.
	Yeah, I just think that.
	How do I treat women?
	I don't know.
	I just think.
	What do you mean you just said it?
	Go ahead.
	No, I'm fine.
	You can air your criticism.
	I just said it.
	I said that the way you treat women, like you make her cry, and you really focus on the body thing.
	No, no, no, no.
	Hold on.
	I'm sorry.
	Hold on.
	I made her cry or she cried.
	And you see.
	Well, I don't really think that you're being a very nice person.
	Like, I'm not going to say that.
	That's just my opinion, but I mean, I don't care if you think I'm ugly.
	I don't care.
	Hold on.
	Did I call you ugly?
	No, but you called me delusional for thinking that I'm attractive.
	No, not for thinking you're attractive.
	You said you were a 10 out of 10.
	Okay, then nine.
	Whatever you want me to say.
	It doesn't matter.
	I don't care.
	I didn't say you were unattractive.
	I didn't say any of that.
	All I simply said, because I don't make it a habit to actually give somebody a rating.
	But if somebody does say they're a 10 or they're nine and it's like, no offense, clearly not the case.
	I'm going to do $300 on everything you say.
	Brian, Desiree plus ISIS episodes.
	Now we need an ISIS one-on-one deep dive into all her social media.
	Just review all her TikToks.
	That's how you're going to get a Netflix deal, by the way.
	Okay.
	Is we do a one-on-one sit-down.
	We do a deep dive on all your TikToks.
	It'll take 50 hours, but we'll do it.
	You've got to add Sheena.
	All right, negative 200.
	appreciate it man we have another chat here from did the girls get pre-show instructions this time about how to better answer the rate yourself question this is This is the first time they didn't answer 10 out of 10.
	That authenticity is refreshing.
	Well, there's two things here.
	One, a lot of the girls, most of the girls actually don't say 10.
	Like, not just this panel, but all the other panels.
	It's usually one, two, or three.
	Also, there is a tendency if the first person, this is not just for this question, but any question.
	If the first person gives an answer, it's going to say poison the well for all the like following people.
	You should put it in a paper.
	That is a good idea.
	We should.
	That is a good idea.
	Name taken, appreciate it, man.
	But so what, I guess, really quick, so how do I treat women?
	Listen to them and don't question their answer.
	Every time I say yes or no, you catch a, yeah, yeah, really?
	I know.
	Are you telling the truth?
	Are you lying?
	It's like, this is literally a podcast about being confrontational about.
	That's why I'm being confrontational right now.
	Yeah.
	It would be like if you showed up to a gym where they do jiu-jitsu and you're like, all these people keep wrestling me.
	This shit is crazy.
	Like, you're literally here to confront your opinions and ideas and bounce them off of other people.
	And Brian is well known for his opinions.
	Yeah, I know.
	It's crazy that you're surprised right now.
	I am surprised.
	This is my first time I ever watched the podcast.
	You didn't look it up before you?
	I did watch a few clips, but it doesn't represent the entirety of his certain wording.
	Hold on.
	I called her delusional.
	That's it.
	And I was very, very prepared for you to say some shit because obviously you do this every single time.
	And I mean, I've seen the clips and I don't really, I mean, the thing is, like, a lot of these women, I think they're all very attractive women.
	And I obviously would rate them higher.
	And I'm prepared to get that.
	Like, because I basically knew.
	That's why, honestly, a lot of these women probably think they're more attractive than they said that they were because they knew you were going to attack them.
	All right, but we are on his podcast.
	He has his opinion.
	Damn, the audacity of this man.
	I'm so sorry.
	If I apologize, if I apologize, I mean we'll move on from this point.
	Horrible, the audacity of this man.
	I know.
	Oh, my God.
	The point of the question of asking someone if they're a 10 or 10 and when you say women are like, oh, I'm answering less than because I believe I'm more, but I don't want to get confronted.
	The point of the question is to be confronted about your possible delusion regarding your place in society or how it perceives you.
	And he asks the question every podcast because this is a podcast about women and dating, and women have a problem with how they perceive reality, and he thinks it's interesting to reveal that.
	That's why the question is so illuminating and entertaining for people who are watching.
	It is interesting.
	It is interesting to reveal.
	Well, it is one.
	It is not good to advertise.
	It is interesting to reveal, but it's not good to advertise because it spreads the wrong message.
	So it is, if I'm to be on your podcast, I want to spread my message, what I believe in.
	That's why, regardless of question or who he is or what type of podcaster he is, that's my opinion.
	Yeah, the audience of Brian gave you a platform to voice it.
	Yeah, and I've voiced it.
	I don't think it's mistreatment or like treating a woman badly to disagree with them on their own assessment here.
	Like, I'm not here.
	I'm not going to kiss your ass.
	I'm not here to just co-sign and agree with everything that you say.
	Because I think for women, Dilulu is the solulo.
	So we must be.
	No, it's not.
	It's not.
	In my case, it is.
	Be honest to yourself.
	It's not.
	I am honest to myself.
	You cannot call Brian a dick because it's his podcast.
	He's still NSJ.
	No, you can call me a dick.
	That's fine.
	I did something here.
	But you have your own reality out there, Brian.
	Go ahead.
	I was just going to say, Brian is going to have his own opinions.
	You're going to have his own opinions.
	Or you're going to have your own opinions.
	And I think it's just interesting because it's a Brian My God pronouncement.
	Sorry.
	I just think it's interesting how, I mean, I disagree with how you guys are saying, oh, like, you're making girls cry, like, things like that.
	I do.
	But it's your choice.
	It's your choice to be offended and let it get to you.
	I'm overwhelmed.
	I'm not offended.
	I get called ugly every single time.
	And that's not all.
	I'm not calling you ugly, though.
	You're saying delusual when I address the fact that I know not everybody thinks I'm attractive, and I know that as a fact, I said that.
	I said that I think that if I was, but I do think that the average American person is not the most attractive.
	Let's go to Walmart.
	Let's go to Walmart.
	Let's look at the Walmart customers.
	That's not the point.
	Speakers, I love Walmart.
	You're a little delusional.
	Yeah, I'm a bad person.
	Yeah, but he just said you are a little delusional.
	He said delusional.
	So it's the solution.
	A five issue.
	There's nothing going on.
	He didn't say anything wrong.
	All right, next topic.
	What did you say?
	I said I was a five.
	Yeah, and you know how you make your money by being hot.
	So who, like, I'm not going to lie, like.
	By desperate men, that's how we make money.
	I'm in the industry as well.
	Yeah, and you're more attractive to me.
	That's not because we are hot, because we have desperate men paying us on our platform.
	That's how we make money.
	I think of a 10, and I think of like Megan Fox in her prime, and I'm like, how do I compare to Megan Fox?
	But I didn't say that everyone thinks I'm a 10.
	We have to be honest.
	We're getting paid for.
	I didn't say everyone thinks I'm a 10.
	I said, moving it on.
	More ISIS stuff, though.
	We can move on.
	It's been a long time on me.
	ISIS had a great time.
	Do I have time for other people?
	Let me point you.
	So I'll get through a few notes with you, then I'll get to other people's notes here.
	So let's see.
	Would love to share the changes I had when dating from super clingy codependency, poor emotional control in Alpers to Mature Ways 2.
	Man, whatever.
	Skip.
	Skip.
	You said.
	I remember that man said that his wife gets salty.
	I've done that before.
	Mike Davis donated $200.
	When did this show become a therapy session?
	I don't blame women.
	They know not what they do.
	I blame you, sucker simps, for blowing up mitts.
	A real man works on his game to earn a high-level female.
	That is what I'm talking about.
	True.
	That's Mike Davis, by the way.
	Yo, Mike.
	Dude, join our Discord mic.
	I'll get you a role.
	Call me.
	Mike, can you bring me some food?
	I'm a little hungry.
	He does own a bunch of Burger Kings.
	Oh my God.
	Good to see you in the chat, Mike Davis.
	Hope you're having a good night over there on the East Coast.
	So, Isis, you said, more is more.
	Always date more, not less.
	Each interaction is a data point that will enrich you as a woman.
	Yeah, like I said, more experience is good.
	You figure out what you want.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, what about all the trauma, though?
	Yeah, it is hard.
	But trauma, yeah, it's true.
	Trauma that doesn't transform, transmits.
	So you will keep transmitting the trauma.
	But if you heal, you'll get stronger.
	And that's what I hope everybody does: heal.
	Okay.
	You said you've, and you said you, wait, hold on.
	Where's this thing about serial dater?
	Oh, you used to be a serial dater.
	You've had a lot of turmoil and heartbreak.
	Might seem like I'm always struggling.
	All these heartaches gave me exposure therapy and the experience.
	I would go through them all over again.
	How long were you serial dating, roster, rotation, whatever?
	It's not how long.
	Like, I dated my ex-boyfriend, and since 18, no, since 16, it's always like I already look for the next boyfriend, already have feelings for the next person before breaking up with the current one.
	So it was maybe like three guys back to back.
	I didn't give any break.
	Why do you not fight to stay with one man if you are really alone?
	Because I was just not.
	And that's what love is about, right?
	Maybe fighting.
	I continue.
	Because I didn't love myself fully.
	I couldn't love other people.
	Even though they are really loving to me, I couldn't see the value in it.
	But that is probably why men do not marry you yet.
	No, it's because I didn't want to marry them because I don't love, like, I don't think I'm fully myself yet.
	Well, do you think that you were sad and didn't love yourself in relation to your behaviors?
	In relation to it.
	Because you're surprised.
	So when you say, like, oh, I need all these data points, I should date a lot.
	But then when I was doing that, I felt worthless and I did not love myself.
	That's not.
	That exposed the problem.
	You know, I was suffering.
	I was like, why am I suffering?
	And I realized I always because I don't love it.
	The problem was exposed to you when like a person says, hey, don't just date around because it's going to be unfulfilling and ultimately hurt you.
	You should decide what you want from an intimate relationship and just don't settle for anything less than that.
	And are you not a little scared?
	If someone talked to me like that, do you think I would listen?
	Of course not.
	I make the same mistake all the time again and again.
	Are you not a little bit scared?
	Because maybe you are always looking for some kind of trigger and if you do not have that trigger anymore, you will find it somewhere else and else and else.
	Are you not a little bit scared you will never find that fulfilling trigger?
	No, I think I believe in myself.
	All right.
	Okay.
	Good for you.
	All right.
	And then let's see.
	You said monogamy isn't human nature.
	Marriage has always been an exchange of power, money.
	We need to be more realistic.
	Don't marry potential.
	Yeah.
	So what do you mean don't marry potential?
	I think that until this guy has proven that he can financially support me and my future children and our lifestyle, I won't marry them.
	Okay.
	Even if they have the potential to earn down the road?
	Yeah, potential isn't real.
	You're underestimating the potential.
	You see what a couple can achieve.
	I agree.
	I agree with you.
	And if you pass up on a guy before he has reached or prior to him reaching that point, you could be passing up on a millionaire.
	But at the same time, there could be a lot of people that match what I like.
	And then fits all the criteria.
	Why do I have to sell it?
	You say potential is not real, but you believe in your own potential to be a billionaire.
	So why is that men always so wrong in your eyes?
	Potential is not real.
	But you believe in your own potential.
	You probably go home, light a candle, tank car for this podcast and your potential.
	But you say a man doesn't have potential.
	Men have potential.
	I don't believe that.
	But you say potential.
	I didn't say men don't have potential.
	I'm saying I want the men who already got their bag.
	That doesn't money matter.
	You can be missing out on an amazing guy.
	I can get an amazing man who already has money.
	But why would he want you?
	Because you're not there.
	Because you can't find someone who's compatible to you that you might think is trash.
	You know, like, but the kind of man who would listen to you say this on a podcast and be like, I'm going to marry that girl.
	Do you think he would treat you very well or think of himself?
	That's your opinion.
	Because you have to be aware of that.
	That's from your perspective.
	He is my perspective.
	That's why I'm talking to you about it.
	Yeah, exactly.
	So if you're there are guys who I think are compatible to me and watch this podcast will be okay because this is me.
	I can't change who I am.
	You may have five.
	Don't say those things or pretend that you're not going to be able to do that.
	Giovanni JD donated $200.
	Yeah, thank you, Giovanni.
	Any man that would marry any of the prostitutes on here absent complete repentance is a zero.
	Not everybody is a professional.
	Every man in the world is wealthier than someone that wives a proud prostitute.
	Not everybody is a prostitute yet.
	Yo, Giovanni.
	Mayor C. Buku, thank you for the TTS there, man.
	Really appreciate it.
	Good to see you in the chat.
	And now I'm glad we fixed the whole Giovanni TTS robot naming thing.
	Okay, and so you also said monogamy isn't human nature.
	I think it's hard.
	It takes discipline.
	For you?
	For everybody.
	It's just against nature.
	I think for men, for women, I think they're both hard.
	I think a lot of people are tended to.
	Have you ever not been monogamous?
	No, I've always been monogamous, but there's been hardship.
	Like there were dry times we don't have passion anymore and I don't know what to do.
	But if you really are in love as a woman, if I'm in love, I only see one person.
	There's one person in my head, my eyes that my body is attracted to.
	There's nobody else.
	If you're really in love, there's just one man, one feeling.
	Like that's a woman's thing, right?
	So how does that work to have multiple men in your lives then?
	I don't know.
	If you're really in love if you talk about love.
	I don't fall in love with them.
	I go on first date with different men.
	I don't understand what you're talking about.
	If you're like really in love, you want to have a little bit monogamous relationship.
	I just think monogamy is hard, and I think people have to put hard works into monogamy.
	That's why I'm saying it's against nature.
	That's why there's a lot of divorce rate.
	And that's why I want the perfect man because I don't want to, when they want to divorce him for some dumb reason, you know, because I dated someone for five years.
	He's wonderful.
	And I don't know why this passion was lost.
	So sometimes love is gone.
	You don't know why.
	That's all relationships.
	It's hard.
	The passion ebbs and exactly.
	So that's what I'm saying.
	That's why the commitment is compatibility.
	You know, I think it's not compatibility.
	It's commitment.
	But both, right?
	You have to have the same values.
	Well, you have to have the same values for sure, but you have to commit.
	No doubt.
	It's not about compatibility.
	You can't go to the right person.
	No?
	The right person is the person you choose.
	Yes.
	You know, who you should be dating.
	There's nothing else needed.
	If you choose them, they're the right person.
	I don't know.
	You know who you should be dating?
	Yeah, you know, no, Johnny Sins, because he can do everything.
	Every job, everything.
	You should be dating him, would be perfect.
	Oh my God, the man can do everything.
	Last thing, we do have a few more notes from Isis, but we're going to come back to them a little bit later.
	Nick, can you pull up Isis's Instagram?
	Yeah.
	Because this is kind of, I'm not trying to throw shade, Isis, but it's like two different worlds, like your TikTok and then your Instagram.
	It's crazy.
	It's crazy.
	Let me know when you got it pulled up.
	I'm so excited right now.
	So it's like, is there no idea what it's about?
	This is reality, but not like appearance.
	It's not about appearance.
	It's like, you look at, pull it up.
	Anything else?
	Like, scroll down.
	She could be hunting people on here.
	I would believe it.
	Yeah.
	So, like, scroll down.
	Like you look at your Instagram and like I kind of think like you look at it and it's it's kind of like very nice.
	Yeah, it's like look at these photos.
	They're girls.
	I kind of look I'm like oh it's kind of she looks sweet and wholesome and nice.
	Good photos.
	That's really good picture.
	Like nice girl.
	Family girl.
	Yeah.
	I mean, there's a couple that are a bit questionable, but like look oh, here's you with a very good page.
	Actually, there's some sunflowers, keep going.
	Look at all this floral, the floral photos, you know.
	Look oh, here's you with some photos.
	Look, eating a hamburger.
	Look at the photo pictures bigger.
	It would be very unassuming if I saw this.
	I'm like, is that the red dress you weren't allowed to wear?
	No okay, and like, not unassuming.
	Like oh, six tasks okay, there you go doing a little bit.
	Oh wait, it is the bulk yes, it is.
	And oh sexism okay, she lost me at.
	The sex is back, but pretty wholesome overall.
	Yeah, you know you would unassuming.
	And then it's like, I look at your, you know, like you'd think maybe like cute, not a thought, I'm sorry, I'm sorry but, bro.
	Then you see the TikTok.
	I'm sorry Isis, I'm sorry no, don't.
	No, it's a cold world out there.
	Gentlemen, you gotta be careful.
	Even unassuming women, they got some story.
	I don't understand what's the difference between my TikTok and my Instagram?
	Must stay focused, brothers.
	We must stay focused.
	Well because like, then you start talking about like, the dating stories, because those pictures actually were taken years ago.
	It was when I was in college.
	It was way.
	So I posted it way later because I always wanted to be a content creator.
	So I was in LA for a while, staying there for at least eight months, and got a photo shoot and did a lot of things, and I never posted them because I wanted my grid to be perfect and I always was like oh, it has to be red, it has to be red.
	I just could never figure it out.
	And years later I had this heartbreak with this guy I was dating and I was like what am I doing?
	Wasting my time crying over boy, like let me do something just for myself.
	And I decided to post them all at once and tip, you cannot post more than 300 Instagram photo in an hour.
	Like they'll block you.
	So I did that for like several days and I posted everything at once.
	That's why it's old.
	But on TikTok, it's my new journey because I so you got hurt by a man and then you decided to hurt men back.
	That's an interesting.
	That's not the point and I don't understand what you're saying.
	So we're gonna move on.
	Okay, let me get into some of the other notes here.
	Let's see, but we will pull up some of her.
	She's got some pretty interesting and entertaining entertaining, excuse me, what's it called stories and videos and stuff.
	We do have Alexa.
	We already talked about your boyfriend who yeah I, honestly there's not much more to say.
	Oh, so you do traditional corn content?
	Um no, I actually don't.
	I'm I, when I graduate I probably will, but for right now I'm not able to fly all the time because I'm in college.
	But you will eventually have you.
	But you've done scenes with guys, right?
	Yes, how many different men have you done scenes with?
	Well so, when I first started, I would do content only with boyfriends like obviously, like men are not usually really opposed to that because they're, if they're, they're fine with only fans in general, then they're fine with that usually.
	But um no, I started moving more towards like filming with content creators, probably around January, and now I do it every single month at least.
	For my summer break I've been going every month to Vegas, to Miami, to Vegas Miami LA, all these places doing collabs, and yeah, how many.
	So how many different men have you done scenes with?
	Um, probably like 10, maybe 10 different guys.
	How many total scenes have you done because you can shoot multiple scenes with?
	I don't think I've shot with people more than once.
	Oh, okay.
	In your notes here, you said men hook up with date women to receive validation from other men and care more about how their peers see them than the woman women than the wife.
	I might have just missed their wife.
	Did I send that yesterday or two days ago?
	Because I might, I might have been older.
	It probably was really old.
	So do you no longer?
	No, I agree.
	I think that a lot of the time in college, especially, like guys, I'm like, bro, like, y'all are no way y'all are into the cooch this much.
	Like, I swear, y'all, like, just do it like cooch.
	Like, they don't want, you know what I mean.
	Wait, you think guys really aren't about the pussy?
	They just want to look cool to their friends?
	Both.
	I'll be honest.
	I think a lot of you would be surprised how many men have been with you and told zero people ever.
	Not out of embarrassment, not out of anything, just because they're, why would it matter?
	Why would they tell you?
	Because their bros are like, yeah, bro, he annoyes me.
	That's actually not how dudes are at all.
	Don't you think this is what women do?
	They actually project it.
	Dude, firstly, if you've ever had a girlfriend or whatever, and you look in her girl group chat, if one of them sleeps with a guy, his photo's in there.
	They're all talking about to ask about it.
	If a guy at my group chat, I'd be like, gay, get the hell out of here.
	Oh, sorry, I did a TOS.
	Don't be bad.
	Everybody, I did a TOS.
	But that's very true.
	If a dude tried to post a girl he hooked up with in the boys' group chat, I'd be like, lame, let's talk about something cool.
	What are you doing?
	I mean, it'd be embarrassing.
	So, Shane, I'll ask you.
	I mean, I don't know about you, but it's definitely the case.
	Like, if a girl just one time sleeps with a guy, the whole friend group knows.
	Here's photos.
	Here's his dick size.
	Here's all these details.
	That's true.
	Whereas, like, I could be boyfriend, girlfriend with the girl.
	Yeah.
	And nobody.
	I don't want any of my guy friends to know about my girl ever, even if I'm just hooking up with her.
	I mean, that's true.
	That's mine.
	Get away.
	Like, if a girl like sends you nudes, I would never share that shit.
	Ever.
	I would never show it in a million years.
	Check out this.
	No way.
	That's for me.
	I don't even like knowing if she took them before and sent me an old one.
	Those are just for me forever.
	That's not the only way to show off.
	Because, for example, if I'm a guy and I date you and you're beautiful, you're 10, I would want to show you off to a friend just by being with you.
	You know what I mean?
	And then you could be ugly and they'd still do it.
	Like, yeah, exactly.
	You don't have to offend each other.
	You can't just.
	No, dude.
	You never want to show off.
	Here's the difference, right?
	You're also a lot older than me.
	I'm in college.
	Like, these college boys, I've dated frat guys and I've seen their group chats.
	Well, sure.
	There's fat guys.
	They have a specific reputation.
	Okay, well, I was in college once, and even when I was in college, I think it's a woman.
	I definitely think that we are insecure.
	So we are like, oh my God.
	She's by yourself.
	Yeah, there's no, I don't think there's any ways to do that.
	We are a little bit insecure.
	So we tell our friends, hey, what do you like?
	This guy talks about this and this.
	And oh my God, he doesn't post me on Instagram.
	I want to be seen.
	I want to be show off.
	So I feel safe that he's not having any secrets about me and stuff like that.
	So I just think it's a good idea.
	I have had contentious arguments in relationships because girls are in group chats sending each other photos of dudes they've been with and bragging and asking questions.
	And I think it's wildly inappropriate.
	I want to date someone who would do that.
	If your best friend is like, who did you hook up with?
	Let me see him.
	And all of a sudden, like, that sucks.
	I don't want to date someone like that.
	It's gross.
	I mean, this is all our personal experiences.
	I just, like, because think about, you know, men are so, they're so corny all the time.
	And I'm like, damn, no way girls, like, y'all are this thirsty compared to women.
	Like, I think it's a lot of validation.
	We are.
	Men are touching themselves while they're driving.
	Do you understand?
	Like, there's no, it's so.
	It's so dramatic.
	It's so extra.
	And I think it's because they want validation.
	Well, going back to this, Shane.
	So I don't know about you, but like, let's say you went on a date with a girl and your buddy happens to know that you went out with a girl or something.
	Like, I don't know about you, but my conversation with a male friend would be like, he might be like, oh, hey, Brian, how'd it go with Tiffany?
	I'd be like, good.
	Yeah.
	We could have hooked up.
	Whatever.
	That's it.
	Oh, yeah, it was good, man.
	That's it.
	I'm not going to say, like, get into details and talk about the sex with the dude.
	That's the last thing I'm going to share.
	I don't know if I'm an outlier here, if I'm just discreet.
	I would never share any of that info with a girl.
	Look at me.
	Or sorry, with a male friend.
	Look at me.
	I am friends with a lot of degenerate, disgusting men.
	Like, dudes who are up to horrible things, we do not talk about stuff.
	It's weird.
	It would be embarrassing to me if a male friend tried to be like, dude, I was with her.
	This is what it was like.
	I'd be like, what are you doing right now?
	Wait a second.
	Let me ask you this question.
	You guys keep talking about, but first you said that your experience is you're not that type of guy.
	I agree with you.
	But you bring up an interesting point.
	You say you know scumbags.
	And even they wouldn't do that.
	Okay, that's wrong.
	Have you heard of the Burning Sun incident?
	What?
	The Burning Sun incident.
	Burning Sun incident.
	It's famous people, a group of guys.
	Do you know Big Bang?
	K-pop?
	What?
	Are you going to bring it up?
	Are you discussing revenge porn right now?
	No, I'm not revenge porn.
	This group of guys, celebrities, they actually have a secret chat room where they say each news.
	Girls they drugged, girls they volunteered, involuntary or voluntary into the chat room.
	And this is hundreds of people.
	And this has happened in all kinds of countries.
	This Burning Sun Incident is a BBC document.
	You should all check it out.
	Okay, but so that's the one who talks the men in the club.
	Let me finish.
	She's talking about her experience.
	So it's valid.
	There are guys who do that to show up to text amongst each other.
	You got to understand.
	Me and Shane are not making the argument that no men do that.
	There's obviously guys that share like this.
	But he says scumbags do that.
	I'm just saying, please acknowledge the scumbags of the world.
	Oh, there's evil people doing bad stuff.
	But I would say, generally speaking, sure, there's men who do this.
	I think it actually manifests itself much more in women.
	I mean, there's no like anything going on.
	No, there is evidence.
	I think they've actually studied the.
	I don't know if their studies are.
	I don't think it happens.
	How many times have you guys been on a date and before you went on the date, you sent a photo of the guy to a girlfriend?
	No, never.
	You don't want date.
	Oh, I got one.
	I sent a guy's photo.
	I have a one.
	I have a good one.
	Okay.
	How many of you have disclosed to either a female friend or even a female acquaintance the size of a guy's penis who you hooked up with?
	Raise your hands.
	No, no, no.
	Be honest.
	Shane, have you ever disclosed the fucking pussy size, the labia size of a girl you fucked up with to a male friend?
	It was penis size and a snake.
	No, no, no, no, pussy matters.
	No, it doesn't matter.
	No, it matters.
	Hashtag, I only date women with large.
	Bra size, bra size.
	Bra size?
	I thought my labia officer.
	I think if a girl had something memorable, they might say something to that.
	What's that?
	I said, I think the same way that a girl, if the guy, if it's real memorable, maybe they'll say something.
	I would never say something about his normal penis.
	But I think if a girl had something really memorable or something really crazy happened, the guy would be just as likely to say something.
	I mean, if she had like, if she got naked and you're like, dude, she didn't have one of her legs.
	Like, that would be like something.
	She had an extra leg.
	I mean, I've encountered like interesting sexual things.
	Like, if she bit you or like barked at you, you'd probably say something.
	Like the cat story.
	Like the cat.
	Yeah, but most people, like, a lot of men are going to feel like a type of way.
	Like if you're talking about his genitals, that's way different than like an anecdote that any, like anybody could bite you, right?
	So I don't think anybody would like if he bit you and you told somebody.
	Like it's not discreet, but it's not like super intimate information necessarily, although there are people.
	I still think it's, but like, maybe they got a little fetish.
	I've encountered, I've encountered women who are like crazily multi-orgasmic, who come instantly.
	I would never tell a male friend that.
	But you're also a lot older than me.
	How is that?
	Okay, cool.
	It's because a lot of these, it is an immature thing, definitely.
	And that's why, I mean, I'm a college girl.
	I deal with the college boys, and that's what they do.
	Well, I don't know if like younger guys are more getting more like feminine or whatever, but like at least for me, I've always been discreet with the girls I date.
	Like it's for me, it's just a respect thing.
	I ain't gonna tell you.
	I think women do that shit all the time.
	But it's disrespectful when they do it too.
	I've just never, I haven't experienced that.
	Yeah, but it's not, I don't think it's viewed.
	Like when y'all are with your girlfriends and you're like sharing all these intimate details about like some new guy you hooked up with.
	But you don't, none of the women in the group are like, whoa, this is kind of like sharing really intimate details.
	But guess what?
	Women experience shame.
	People shame women for having sex.
	People do not shame men for having sex.
	Oh, did you?
	I think they do, but I would also like to point out that you are an adult worker.
	Yeah, and so when men sleep with you, I think a lot of the time it's a conquest.
	But you've been doing that before since you were 18.
	Yes, but I'm not going to lie, I didn't really do that.
	That's a recent thing, collaborating with people.
	But still, if you do, if you're an SW or whatever, and someone hooks up with you, then you're more likely by virtue of the line of work and stuff to attract the type of scumbag man.
	You would be like, yo, check this girl's Instagram.
	She does this.
	And I just hooked up with her.
	I see them do it with other girls too, like my friends, all these other.
	I don't think it's necessarily just me.
	You know what I mean?
	Just smoke them in their face when they're doing it.
	I guess to go back really quick and then we'll move it on to a new topic.
	You said that men hook up with date women to receive validation from other men and care more about how their peers see them than the women they're with.
	I think I sent that a long time ago.
	Sure, that's fine.
	So, I mean, maybe this is true, but I do think, well, at least I think maybe the panel agrees, disagrees.
	I do think it's a far more frequent occurrence in women.
	For example, I think women are much more likely to seek out the cosine from their friends on the guy than the reverse.
	But like I said, like I, like, women are shape.
	Like, you, you come on here, and I've seen you ask girls, what's your body count?
	It's shameful.
	It's shame.
	It's meant to be like, oh, your body count is higher.
	Wait, don't you, hold on.
	No, no, no, no, wait, wait.
	Sorry, I got to interrupt you here.
	Let me engage you precisely on this.
	So you object to me shaming women for their body count.
	Which I don't really think I do.
	Well, it's meant to be asked because you say like, oh, like, I think, pretty sure you ask, like, oh, like, or I don't know, it doesn't matter.
	That's what it matters.
	I'm not sure we talk like that.
	Sure, we talk about body counts.
	Well, the point is, it's you would never ask a man and then shame them for it.
	Actually, well, actually, I've said this multiple times on the podcast.
	Nobody cares about a man's body count.
	Well, hold on.
	I've said this multiple times on the podcast.
	I'm actually not in favor of male promiscuity either.
	I'm not either.
	I don't do hookups.
	I just do it for my job.
	Right, but so hold on.
	So are you, do you have trouble with me shaming women or do you have trouble with you?
	Think there's a double standard?
	I think that there is a double standard.
	And it may not necessarily be from you, but from everyone.
	I've just stated, though, that I object to male promiscuity, too.
	Do you know another podcast that asks men their body count hosted by a woman?
	If you want to start.
	Guys, guys we fucked.
	I'm good friends.
	Call her daddy, bring out both men and women equally.
	But you guys bring out only girls.
	Can you say that?
	Guys we fucked is firstly.
	My friend Corinne Fisher runs that podcast.
	I'm close friends with her.
	We dated.
	She literally, it's a podcast about people she fucks and people who are promiscuous.
	It's the anti-slut shaming podcast.
	She literally has men on there to talk about how slutty they are.
	That's the whole premise of the show.
	They also bring women on equally.
	I mean, they talk to women about not sex.
	They talk about a lot of gossip.
	A lot of women, a lot of female go on those podcasts.
	It's not about Target.
	This is about Target.
	This is a day different podcast.
	It's a men's date, too.
	I'm on here.
	I'm a man.
	You'll not see proportions.
	Darling, but why is it wrong for a man to ask about body count?
	But it's okay for a woman to ask about a man's bank account.
	I'm not talking about the bank account accounts or anything.
	That's not everyone's.
	I always ask bank account information.
	Oh, you don't want to ask me.
	You've got my point, right?
	Yeah.
	That's a W for yeah.
	Wait, hold on.
	So where did this start?
	So you're like, well, you shame the women, blah, blah, blah.
	Well, I'm not in favor of male promiscuity either.
	I think it's different, but I think they're both.
	I mean, I think people can do it.
	We can get into that, but you said hookup culture ruins dating.
	I think it does.
	Annoying because no one wants to commit anymore.
	So if hookup culture is bad, hookup culture would be proxy for promiscuity.
	Promiscuity is proxy for having a high body count.
	So how are we going if you object to hookup culture?
	We're not going to.
	Hold on, hold on.
	Well, most people will say they object to hookup culture, but if you start shaming female sexuality and promiscuity, all of a sudden it's a problem.
	There's no way we're going to be able to legislate women to not fuck a bunch of dudes.
	So the only solution to hookup culture is by shaming female sexuality and promiscuity.
	I think adults can do what they want to do.
	And personally, but okay, then if you can just do whatever you want to do, but hookup culture bad, how do you solve hookup culture?
	I don't like hookup culture.
	I don't partake in it.
	I do it for my, I guess I do.
	So you don't want to see the world improve?
	I mean, so I think that it ruins dating because personally, like I am, even before I did adult content, it was very frustrating because it's like, bro, like I'll, like, every, nobody, I feel like nobody's in relationships.
	I feel like it's all just hookup, hookup, hookup, hookup, easy sex.
	Okay, so why don't we shame men and women who engage in promiscuous behavior?
	Because, I mean, I don't know.
	I feel like.
	What would be wrong with that?
	I feel like if they're going to do it, if they're going to do it, and then like, I mean, if they want to do that.
	Okay, people are going to sell drugs and commit all sorts of crimes.
	Okay, but like, I'm not doing that.
	We should try to like create a social pressure.
	Adults are allowed to make those decisions for themselves.
	No, I don't want to do it.
	Can I say something for you?
	Or let's let Shane go, then I'll have you come.
	Shame is something that is a power you give to someone else to give to you.
	Like, if I'm Mormon and I drink coffee and someone sees it, I will feel shame.
	But if you drink coffee, do you care at all?
	No.
	And so when he says, what's your body count?
	And you feel like you're being shamed.
	I will tell you right now.
	I mean, I don't know myself.
	You don't have to.
	I don't know.
	She can tell us.
	Oh, yeah.
	I mean, yeah, actually, what am I talking about?
	That's the whole show.
	I really genuinely don't know.
	But if he asks women who come on this podcast, what's your body count?
	And you think that he is shaming them, why?
	If the body count doesn't matter, then they should just powerfully say this and then whatever.
	And then just move on because their sexuality is theirs.
	It doesn't belong to Brian.
	Brian's opinion doesn't affect them.
	But everyone seems to feel really weird and awkward about it because it's almost like sex is really intimate and beautiful and essential to the human experience.
	It's done to, I think, try to like embarrass women.
	And like I said, I don't really care about body count personally.
	I am a do adult content and it doesn't really matter to me as much.
	But I don't know.
	I actually am, if a girl reveals her body count on the show and it's high, I have absolutely typically like no reaction.
	I don't know it.
	Even if it's high, I'm pretty much just like, okay.
	I mean, okay.
	I mean, it doesn't really matter.
	I think it's not about embarrassing them.
	When you're like an adult, especially the older you get, I feel like the less it matters.
	It's more of like an immature thing, I think.
	What do you mean, an immature thing?
	Because it's like, I don't know, like, think about like, I mean, you mean immature to care about body count?
	Yeah, I think it is, kind of, because I mean, the more, the older you get, the more experience you get.
	And it's like, the more, like, I think that if you care about it, it's because, like, I mean, it's, I think it's immature.
	I think that it's immature.
	I think it gets convoluted.
	I don't think it's that we care about body count.
	I think it's what happens to you because of the high body count, right?
	When you have all these impacts, I think some people may see it as a royalty issue.
	Sometimes it's terrible when you're messed up because of it.
	Yeah, go ahead.
	Go ahead.
	All right.
	It's going to sound a little bit harsh, but I do not mean it that way.
	We are both porn stars, right?
	We work.
	Do you do content with other people, though?
	I did one movie.
	Yeah.
	The guy that told you.
	But I think as a porn star, if we look honestly at ourselves, we cannot say we are against hookup culture if that's literally our job.
	I don't do any kind of stuff outside of content, though.
	I've never done it.
	But you hook up with men, but you do not want to be judged by it.
	I do not judge you at all.
	I don't care if people judge me for just my job.
	But you cannot say I do not like it when you do it for a living.
	But it's like different.
	Because I'm a non-jerk person.
	Like, I do not like it and do it for a living.
	It's very like I'm a relationship.
	We double understand that we have to be honest ourselves.
	We are doing poor.
	I mean, we cannot say, I do not like it and do it.
	I mean, I don't want to, I don't do it.
	I've never done it outside of content.
	I don't really like it.
	But it's still completely different.
	I mean, not all car mechanics like being car mechanics.
	Right?
	Some people, I'm not saying that there are people in the industry who don't like it.
	I'm just saying you could do it and not like it.
	If you do it for a living, hooking up for a living and making a movie, you cannot say I do not like it.
	I feel like it's not a whole lot of people.
	The point is less that and more that you can't be a car mechanic and then be like, dang, all these cars on the road all this time.
	I hate it here.
	You can't do that.
	You can't complain about the atmosphere because I do think a lot of shame are put upon women by men and societal and it's caused by patriarchy.
	That's what I think.
	And to your point, you think shame is you giving your power away to someone else.
	I don't think that's true because as human beings, we unconsciously care about what other people think.
	So in order to fit into society, unconsciously, we feel shame because everybody's opinion affects us.
	So when you call us permission, you go promiscuous.
	And when you use a negative term to describe someone who you perceive.
	Like for instance, the word short.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	So I just think that that's not.
	I don't know.
	You interrupted my thought and then I just like parted.
	Go ahead.
	My brain just parted.
	If we would have woman ruining the world, we would just be aware of that.
	Shame by men a lot of times and women who couldn't, you know, I think you should.
	What's actually wrong with shame?
	Shame doesn't make progress.
	Shame and guilt actually stall your progress.
	I say it's positive bullying.
	But so, for example, like if negative negative, if actions contribute to negative world outcomes or like starts breaking down society, like how do you actually start defending against that without like passing laws?
	The only way you have is social pressure and shame.
	Like so unless we're prepared to legislate like, okay, enforced monogamy, which is never going to happen, really the only way that you're going to be able to combat promiscuity in both men and women is to shame promiscuity in men and women.
	Technically we have forced monogamy because polygamy is illegal.
	Yeah, maybe we shouldn't have monogamy.
	That's what I'm saying.
	More so, but that proves your point.
	Yeah.
	You have to shame people out of the bad thing, polygamy, which is a practice that destroys communities and drives men to commit suicide and has all kinds of other problems.
	But like, anyway, I grew up in Utah, so polygamists are all over the place.
	But yeah, it's bad.
	So shame makes sense.
	Chart 166.
	Sorry, I didn't get to this immediately.
	This came in about six minutes ago.
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	All right.
	So where were we?
	Questions?
	Yeah.
	About Instagrams and stuff.
	That's what you want.
	I don't know if you have any more questions.
	I think I have a bit more.
	Let's see.
	You said you date submissive men.
	We already talked about that.
	Hookup culture bad.
	Yeah.
	You said you likely disagree with the host on most things.
	Yeah, I mean, I don't know, but I feel like that's been pretty obvious throughout the day.
	But you both agree that hookup culture is bad.
	I mean, I personally, for me, I don't like it.
	I'm such a love of girls, so I just want a boyfriend.
	And obviously, doing my job makes that difficult, but there's someone for everyone.
	So there will be someone for me.
	Are there any specific things that you disagree on that I can engage with on quickly?
	No, I think we've already been talking about all the things.
	Okay.
	Question, do you make guys wait for sex?
	Well, I'm not going to lie.
	I haven't dated any guys in a long time, but I do.
	Okay, so say a guy who wants to date you and you like him.
	Would you make him wait for sex?
	Not like really, not the 12th, the 12th dates, but like maybe like a second or a third.
	Second or third?
	Okay.
	I feel like you can read the room and tell like this is going to go somewhere versus what they are looking for if they just want to hook up.
	You can usually read their room.
	And you said that you're a good girlfriend and you like spoiling men.
	Oh, I guess I did.
	I don't remember.
	In your voice note that you sent like that.
	Yeah, yeah.
	I definitely do do that.
	I love that.
	I love giving gifts and I love like spending time and would you continue to do like if you're dating a guy, would you be doing scenes with men?
	So it depends.
	If I was to date somebody that also does content, I would.
	Let's say they don't.
	Then I would, maybe I would stop, but the thing is, it's like, how serious is it?
	Like, how, like, you know what I mean?
	Like, there are guys that I'll like, and I'm like, oh, I like this guy, but I'm like, realistically, I don't think this would work out.
	Okay.
	So I wouldn't stop it for them.
	But I feel like maybe if there was somebody that was really serious with it, like they were expressing like, oh, like, yeah, like, I think this is like, like, like, I like you a lot, but like, maybe, like, but like, I would, you'd have to stop.
	Maybe I would, but I, or maybe just do content with them.
	Like, I don't think I would stop content outright, but unless they were really rich and just could like not, because I like being a very independent person.
	I have, I like having my own money.
	I like supporting myself.
	So if they were able to do that, but then it would also put me in a position where I feel vulnerable because I don't have my own stream of income.
	Okay.
	What was your question?
	I was going to say, so what is hookup culture to you?
	Kind of like how people just like go on the Tinder late at night.
	They're like, come over, baby girl.
	And then they're like, yeah, mama, I'm coming over.
	Like, that's like that stuff.
	So, I mean, I don't know.
	There's a lot of people.
	Hookup culture isn't just like the next level where like you don't even know their name and you're doing it.
	I mean, it could be less than that.
	It could be, it could just be like, like, I don't know, like the one-night stands is a hookup culture, obviously.
	I'm just wondering how that's any different from what I do.
	What's your job is?
	Well, to me, it's very professional.
	I think you show up, you sign the paperwork, you have to do paperwork, you have to take pictures of IDs.
	It's very discussed, like we're doing this, we're doing this then.
	If there's a camera guy, they have to go over all of that.
	It's very set up.
	It's not like, I'm not going to lie, a lot of the time, girls, you can just lube up your coach and you're good.
	Like, it's not even really intimate sometimes.
	I don't think, though, the hookup culture is intimate either.
	I mean, I think that, like, sometimes I feel like girls that do corn, they're not always even aroused.
	Like, sometimes it's just completely different.
	I think girls doing hookup culture aren't always aroused.
	Well, why are they doing it then?
	Can I ask you?
	That's a great question.
	That's what we're trying to answer.
	She evolved and donated $200.
	Hookup culture is bad.
	I'm a relationship girl.
	But I prostitute myself.
	I don't think you're lying, but not facing that inherent conflict in your stated values is pathetic.
	Virtuously bankrupt.
	Wah, mah.
	Do you think the money is worth it?
	Do you have a response to Juvon?
	I mean, I think you can be a relationship person and also do what I do, which I'm not a prostitute.
	Wait, really quick before I have it.
	Yes, you got it.
	Because you said in a voice note, I'm a good girlfriend.
	Yes.
	I'd be spoiling.
	Okay, but if you're signing up to date me, you already know what you're getting into, whether it's filming with me or me filming with other people.
	And I probably wouldn't expect a man that's a normal man, like not doing content, to let me go film with other people.
	I wouldn't expect that.
	Isn't he like, isn't any guy who's willing to date a woman who does porn, isn't he like a cuck?
	I mean, I'm a cuck.
	I'll cuck my boyfriend.
	I don't care.
	It's mutual.
	And if they're into that, they're into that.
	They're not always into that.
	But I guess it's like I'm a good girlfriend.
	Yes.
	But you fuck other men on camera.
	But I'm a very loving person.
	I like give all the gifts.
	I like a good girlfriend.
	It's so sick.
	But to you, there's someone for everyone.
	And it's not like cheating and whatnot.
	If you're open relationships, there's different.
	It's not her fault if he's agreeing with her.
	It's kind of like, ladies, the boyfriend.
	If you sign up for it, you signed up for it.
	The boyfriend's great.
	He spoils you.
	He treats you perfectly.
	You get along great.
	But I'm not cheating on no one.
	But he cheats on you.
	But I'm not cheating.
	An open relationship is with consent, and they know that.
	And they know that when it's a little bit of a hole, but here's the difference.
	Here's the difference.
	I'm open to an open relationship.
	Hold on.
	Here's the difference.
	So a girl who does porn, she'll date a civilian guy who doesn't do porn.
	She'll be fucking other men for her.
	I would maybe stop.
	Hold on.
	She'll be fucking other men for her work.
	If he were to go out and just fuck a chick, another civilian, that would be cheating on his end.
	No.
	He can do it if he wants.
	It's just that I would want him to be safe about it because that can put my job on.
	I think it's a hookup culture.
	I mean.
	That's essentially what it is.
	Okay, but like, I don't, I'm not, like, with the people.
	I don't know.
	I'm, I, like, I like the commitment.
	I don't, I don't have really an issue with people doing what they want.
	Okay.
	If he has, if he wants to go do that while, like, you know, it's, adults can do what they want.
	What if commitment to, in your opinion?
	Like, you know, relationship, like, you.
	But a relationship to me is like a commitment, and then they're, like, very specific stated boundaries and their self-denial.
	Because the person I'm with has to deny themselves all these other types of things, how they spend their time, who they spend their time with, who they share their body with.
	Because I feel special and I want them to feel special and I want Arbon to be unique to us.
	And so when you're like, oh, it's commitment, it's like, well, but that's just friendship.
	You're describing friendship.
	I wouldn't consider that friendship because I feel like if you're like with that partner, you're like living with them, you're doing, it's like they're your partner, but then you guys, and it's also if it's for work, I would not, I'm not the type of person to have open relationship outside of my job.
	I'm not really into that.
	I don't get pleasure from going and being with a bunch of people.
	It's just like my job.
	So yeah.
	And honestly.
	I think that's fine, but do you think the type of men who would do who would be with you are going to have the values you want?
	Like what, if a guy will let you do all that stuff, what kind of values do you think he values in a woman himself?
	Well, I wouldn't expect, like, like you, like he said, most of them are cucks if they are okay with that.
	But if I was to date a civilian, which I might, but I would probably just film with them or something because I think that if he doesn't want that, yeah, if he doesn't want that, film with them.
	But if he doesn't want to be filmed with them, then I would include him.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Interesting.
	Yeah.
	I have to, that's like my job.
	And I also like, you know what I mean?
	Sure.
	Can I ask one more question?
	Sure.
	I was just wondering: would you be comfortable if you had kids right now to be doing your job?
	Well, I don't know when I'll have kids.
	And if I had kids right now, I would have be they would be very like I'm 21.
	I'd be having babies at like 18.
	But I mean, I would be comfortable with that.
	It's just that most, almost every single content creator I know has kids.
	I go hang out with like the other people I know.
	They're like, they got a six-year-old.
	They got a six-year-old.
	Some of the guys I know, they have 20-year-olds.
	They have like so many kids, depending on how old they are.
	Everybody has a baby mama.
	Like most SWs have a kid.
	But they're not married.
	Some of them are married.
	Some of them are married.
	Some of them are in relationships.
	A lot of the time.
	I'm not going to lie.
	Like, I filmed with like, I filmed with four people this week, and I think two of them are in, one of them's married, and one of them is in a committed relationship.
	Carnal knowledge with four people this week?
	I have no idea what that means.
	But I do agree with what she's saying.
	I'm like a porch.
	Yeah, it's mostly.
	A lot of people that I know that are very big content creators, like in London and stuff, and in the Netherlands, are married, are having children.
	And the man is just a houseman.
	He just lays down, get the money, doesn't care.
	You keep, you keep it.
	So I think men are getting very feminine and women getting very manly at some point.
	I do got to move things on a little bit, but most of them are married.
	Yeah, going to Peachy here.
	You said that you love that Brian advocates for big labia women.
	I do.
	Hashtag big labia.
	Why do you think that's a matter of money?
	Big labias matter.
	I think it's a matter of matters.
	And I think on the other flip side of that, foreskins matter too.
	I think that like judging a person on their channel is just ridiculous.
	Especially when I get a picture of it.
	I have a picture of it as well.
	You got a labia plasty?
	And I got a picture of that.
	I wanted to take it home on strong water as well.
	Oh my god.
	I got pictures of that.
	I wanted to take them home as well in strong water.
	Yes, it would be so funny.
	I have pictures of that as well.
	I can send it to you later.
	You can pop it in later.
	I didn't realize that.
	No, they were so big.
	It was hurting me.
	What else?
	You know, if I wear like a G-string, like that lay stuff, they got stuck in between.
	So when the inseam on your denim shorts is your biggest enemy.
	And when I was just wearing like a bikini, it would look like a dick between my legs.
	That is how big when a chihuahua gets really old and its tongue hangs out and that's what you guys are looking like.
	It's going on.
	A whole new road.
	That's an overstatement.
	They were just like really, really, really big.
	Really big.
	You can make a whole new highway with a drawing.
	They are.
	You have to do like personality and like sees them open now, how you call it, open your gates.
	You have to pull them apart.
	I've been catfished by girls.
	They're like, hey, Brian, I've got a big label.
	I'm going to show you pictures after that.
	You will be like, oh, damn.
	No, you will be like, oh, damn.
	Okay.
	I just appreciate that you advocate for all these girls claiming that.
	No, you cannot even have normal sex.
	No, wait.
	When he puts his dick in, the labia will also go in.
	I would be like, it hurts.
	He's fucking up.
	It hurts.
	He was fucking up.
	Yes.
	And it looks like a dick when I show him.
	Oh, stop.
	You're fine.
	They weren't dead.
	They removed on each side like this sort of part.
	It probably wasn't even.
	I have pictures.
	You will be sorry for this one.
	It's dead big.
	If you're a woman and you're listening to this, you're perfect.
	Just stay as you are.
	Also on the dude, I am straight up.
	I'm a confident woman who just, whatever she's got going on, she's just like, yeah, this is what it's about.
	If you are a woman and you are in pain, please do something about it.
	Don't get a labia plastic.
	Don't do it.
	Please do.
	If you are in pain, it's your body, your choice.
	Do it.
	Don't do it.
	Don't do it.
	Yeah, look.
	Some girls, they can have discomfort or whatever.
	But I think a lot of girls, they just feel insecure about it, to be honest.
	But if you are in pain, it's a weird thing to be insecure about, too.
	I don't think God.
	I can't imagine the guy like that.
	That's like a guy with the only thing.
	He's like a guy with a big dick, and he's like, oh, it's kind of uncomfortable.
	Shrink down my dick.
	Yeah, yeah.
	I got dicks mauling.
	Surgery.
	Even if it's uncomfortable, keep the big pussy.
	Okay, keep it.
	The only guy I've ever heard talk crap about big labias was that comedian guy.
	Dane Cook, right?
	Yeah.
	Oh, I love that.
	Dane Cook has a bigger picture.
	I love that hairsome dick.
	Oh!
	I will debate him on labia for hell yeah.
	Do not say that.
	Bring him in here.
	For the BLM team.
	For the fucking BLM team.
	I want to be here as well.
	I'll show him all the pictures.
	Oh, my God.
	Yes, I will take them with me on Strongwater.
	Oh, my God.
	It would be so funny.
	Big labia.
	Yeah, I only date women with big labia.
	Oh, there goes my chance.
	Rip.
	You fucked up.
	You fucked up.
	She is.
	Hopefully, she can undo her labia plasty with her good personality.
	Stretching them out every night.
	Yeah, you're going to have to.
	You said that you play World of Warcraft, but you need to talk to Peyo.
	Yeah, you were.
	You were down for him.
	I could.
	No, listen, hold on.
	We're buddies.
	Because I was.
	But you were like bringing him up to the girls and none of them could appreciate, you know, like, and then you showed the keyboard.
	Oh, yeah.
	And yeah, that was bad.
	That was bad.
	That was really bad.
	Really bad.
	Red black.
	That's why he needs a woman in his life, though, to help out with the household, I guess.
	Yeah, you should date him.
	I could, listen, I used to heal.
	I used to heal, and I hear he's a tank.
	Oh.
	Wait, he's a tank?
	He said he was a teenager.
	He was a rogue.
	He was the tank for him.
	He mostly plays Rogue and Hunter.
	Oh, who was I thinking about them?
	I don't know.
	Anyways, I can get you linked up with Peyo.
	He's also that keyboard was.
	Let's see.
	What about Asmund Golds?
	Do you know Hasman Golds?
	Yeah, yeah.
	I actually watch him a lot.
	He's pretty funny.
	He's pretty funny.
	Okay.
	Let's see.
	Who else?
	The notes.
	Do we have?
	Oh, Vivian.
	Okay.
	Vivian, dating topics.
	If a young woman dates an older man for money, is that prostitution?
	Yeah, you said it earlier, which was funny.
	You brought that same question.
	What do you think?
	Is it prostitution?
	I kind of well.
	No.
	No, I would say it isn't, but like, I'm pretty open-minded.
	Like, I genuinely kind of don't know.
	So that's why I'm asking people.
	Okay.
	If you exchange goods or services for access to your body in a situation where they would not have access to you, Sans, goods and services, then you are doing sex work.
	Yeah.
	So like when people say, oh, I like, I have a sugar daddy, and then they act like they're sugaring, sugaring is a different word for prostitution.
	It's just modern prostitution.
	You're just a work, you're a prostitute with a regular client.
	Yeah, but then how do like buttons?
	It's just the same thing as saying I'm a content creator.
	No, we are just horses on the internet.
	I'm not superstitious.
	I'm actually covering up a name.
	Yeah.
	It's like modern prostitution.
	And I can say that because I'm on sugar daddy side as well.
	It's just modern prostitution.
	But what about, I mean, like, I don't like if it is of the nature of women to be attracted to successful men because they have money, is that like, I don't think there's anything wrong if a woman's attracted to a guy because he's successful.
	But it's not that we followed.
	I think what I think good women are attracted to success.
	I think bad women are attracted to money.
	Success doesn't necessarily correlate to money.
	You know, a guy could be, let's say, an Olympic gold medalist sprinter, and there's not a lot of money in that.
	He's just, he makes like, you know, a middle-class income.
	And there could be thousands of women that are like, this super athlete is so hot.
	I want to date him.
	He's well respected, yada, yada, but he doesn't have money.
	Whereas there could be a guy who just like inherited millions of dollars and they're like, you're successful.
	You're hot.
	He's not successful.
	They're attracted to money, material objects.
	And well met.
	Oh, Lol Paladins donated $200.
	I don't think she should date Peyo.
	She's too old for what he prefers.
	Like Game of Thrones, too old if you know what I mean.
	Yikes.
	Wait, like Game of Thrones?
	I don't.
	Too old?
	I think he's saying.
	Wait, what?
	Peyo, you're going to let him talk about you like that.
	All right.
	Thank you, Lol Paladins.
	Appreciate it, man.
	Okay, so I guess.
	I do have a question for you, though.
	Sure.
	Am I?
	Why is everything nowadays sugar-coated?
	Like, I'm a porn star and I'm very open about it.
	Honestly, I'm on sugar daddy's side as well.
	But like I just said, why is everything nowadays so offensive?
	Why do I have to say, like, I'm a content creator?
	No, we are porn stars.
	Why do is everything in life has a different name?
	I'm not a porn star.
	No, in the world.
	I mean, in the world, calm down a little bit.
	But why is it everything has sugar?
	Isis, are you going to let her talk?
	Yeah, I'm so sorry, please.
	Good girl.
	Very good girl.
	Thank you.
	Either way.
	Why is everything so sugarcoated?
	Like the daddy arrangement, it's like a modern day of X scores thing, obviously.
	I see it that way.
	Maybe because I'm Dutch and we're very direct.
	But why is everything has it because of social media you cannot say porn star?
	Why is it called content creator?
	She is a content creator by all means because she makes videos for fun and entertainment, like not in a porn star way.
	I see that more as a content creator influencer than I am.
	I'm just a porn star.
	Why am I a content creator in the name?
	If I am a porn star and I also create content, even if my content is related to my body or luring men in, if I see myself as a creative, as an artist, I should be able to put that in my bio.
	And that's not sugarcoating.
	It's just presenting it the way I want to be perceived.
	It would be like saying, I'm not an assassin.
	I'm a cleaner.
	No, that's totally different.
	Why?
	I clean up people's messages.
	But I asked him the question.
	But you're trying to sugarcoat it.
	Yeah, yeah.
	I asked him the question.
	You want the non-negative connotation for the thing you're doing.
	Maybe because I'm Dutch and we are very direct.
	I don't care.
	Why do you think that?
	Why is everything so?
	Oh my God, I cannot offend other people when I say that.
	We have to come out of a different name.
	Why?
	Well, I don't know if this is answering your question, but you're talking like there's the sugar, sugar baby, sugar daddy escorting.
	So, I mean, there's this idea of the euphemism treadmill.
	So, a term will be deemed offensive, then a new term will replace it.
	But after enough use, that term will now be deemed offensive.
	So, for example, it probably started out as like whoring prostitution, then it went into escorting, and now it's sugar, like being a sugar baby.
	They're essentially the same things.
	That's what I'm saying.
	Basically, why is there a different name every time?
	Well, I think escorting has a stigma now.
	And prostitution had a stigma.
	Now, escorting has a stigma.
	Now it's like I'm a sugar baby, which has conceivably less stigma, but you're still essentially a whore.
	Yeah, and I do not disagree with that or George Wamon.
	I'm on sugar daddy, so I don't care, but we are more direct with it.
	I do not understand why this has to be a different name every time.
	Why are you so ashamed for what you're doing?
	If you're doing girl, do it.
	Get that money, we don't care.
	But why do we have to like sugarcoat it?
	Like, oh my god, no, no, no, no, I'm not escorting.
	It's like sugar.
	Why?
	If he wants sugar, go to the supermarket.
	I don't get it.
	Yeah, probably just.
	Maybe because I'm Dutch.
	I do not.
	It's probably just has to do with the whole stigma thing.
	Well, a question for you: would you, oops, because you're Dutch.
	What the fuck?
	Would you date Geert Wilders?
	Who's that?
	Do you have a picture?
	You don't know Geert?
	Do you have a picture?
	Nick, could you hear?
	I'll put a picture.
	Please sell me a picture.
	I'll put it in the private chat.
	Once you're in the chat.
	He has a hot chat as well.
	Oh, my God.
	He's Dutch.
	Really?
	You don't know Geert Walder?
	Oh, Omerhold, Geert.
	It's not Geert.
	It's Geert.
	But do you know Cherry Bodet?
	I know.
	He followed me.
	Search up.
	Right watch.
	Cherry Bodet.
	Dutch politician who has led the right wing.
	No, no, no, wait, wait, wait, wait.
	Put us on the other side.
	No, no, no.
	Look up Cherry Bodet.
	Look up Cherry Bodet.
	He follows me on Instagram as well.
	Well, he's hot as fuck.
	Is he a politician?
	Yeah, we should have been doing a podcast together with the Tay Brothers as well, but he's hot.
	But Geert is selected as well to become the president of the Netherlands, but now he doesn't because it's weird.
	But he's very right.
	He's very.
	People label him as a racist stuff.
	But we are Dutch, so we have very racist humor as well.
	We roast people for a living, but we do not have that sort of feeling.
	Like, oh my God, you're in my feelings.
	We do not have that.
	So I don't know.
	I think he will never.
	There's a specific thing with the way that Dutch have like worded insults.
	It's like canker or waiting.
	Conkershoi, dairy liar.
	Yeah, we will curse you out with the worst illnesses you can imagine.
	I will wish death upon you.
	Like I will wish you cancer, your mother cancer, that your children die, and we will just laugh about it.
	We'll be like, ah, that's so funny.
	Oh my God.
	When I hit my elbow to someone, I was like, cancer.
	No, that's weird.
	I'm going to read three chats, then we'll get to the next notes.
	We have Blothes.
	I'm a traditional, trusting, and loving man.
	I love my wife and my two girlfriends so much.
	I don't think I have in my heart to cheat on them.
	Do you need another girlfriend?
	I can be a terrible.
	That was worth the $100,000.
	Are you from the Utah?
	Yeah, do you need another girlfriend?
	Banger joke.
	All right, we have Old Man Maureen.
	Thanks.
	We have Old Man Maureen.
	Oh, can I have you read this, Peaches?
	Polygamy is illegal, but there are many men and women out there with multiple marriages, children with different people, and fucking anyone.
	Not much of a difference.
	Basically, a polygamist society.
	Old Man Maureen, good to see you back in the chat, man.
	Thank you for the message.
	Really appreciate it.
	Thank you.
	Then we have Warlord 69.
	Ella!
	Doing OnlyFans is.
	Oh, I'll have you read it.
	Go ahead.
	Oh, sorry.
	Doing OnlyFans is prostitution by definition.
	Ladies, I will only accept a woman that will bow.
	I will not help you in the woods unless you are ready for the woods.
	I will be on our food.
	Nobody's choosing the men.
	Everybody's choosing the bears.
	We're not going to be in the woods.
	No, I choose the men.
	Well, okay.
	I know!
	Hilo came up.
	I'll ask the question.
	Starting with ISIS.
	So here's the scenario.
	You are magically transported into the woods.
	Now you can choose to either have a random man also magically transported to the woods or a random bear magically transported to the woods.
	And in the scenario, you are going across paths with either the man or the bear.
	I think.
	Can you strain your mic a little bit?
	Is there more?
	Is that all the conditions?
	And so there's no motivation.
	Why is the man in the woods?
	It's just like you pick the man.
	Random man.
	Random man transported into the woods.
	The bear.
	I would choose the bear.
	You pick the bear?
	What about you?
	The man.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	The man, you will die if you fight a bear.
	Have you seen those things?
	I don't want to fight.
	Which do you pick?
	The man.
	Man?
	The man.
	You can scoot into the table a little bit.
	I'm average man, but I've been in the woods with bears because I go hiking a lot and you just go.
	I'm going to make a noise, and they're like, oh, that's big and scary.
	So you pick the man or the bear?
	I guess the average man, like, from random man off the street, if I don't have, do I have to deal with it?
	I have to deal with them.
	It's random.
	You don't know.
	I mean, likely, I don't think they're going to hurt me.
	What about you?
	The man.
	What do you pick, Shane?
	Well, yeah, dude, I hike.
	I see.
	If you all go hiking right now, the scenario plays out.
	You'll walk by many random men and everything fine.
	Let's be honest.
	You men, really, with this question.
	In the back of your mind, as a man, I think every man thinks like, I could take down a bear.
	Oh, for sure.
	Yeah.
	Just in the back of their mind, they will be like, I think I can take down a bear.
	I would try.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Maybe a blackberry.
	A man, for sure.
	Those three.
	Why do you pick a bear?
	Because at least with the bear, they'll just kill me.
	Okay.
	I get the point.
	But so the question then, I don't want to face the consequence of the man.
	But so you're doing a risk assessment.
	So you're saying, well, yeah, not all men would attack me, but the risk is high enough by picking a man that I think I'm more likely to be attacked by the man as compared to the bear.
	Not so much.
	I think there's a higher likelihood and probability that the man won't hurt me and it's safer than the bear.
	However, in the case that the man is a worst man and a bad man, a man, like I mentioned in the past, the worst he can do is a thousand times worse than what a bear could do to me.
	So for me personally, of course, some people, this is a gambling problem, right?
	Some people want to go with the higher probability.
	I want to go with the better death.
	So bears eat you while you're still alive.
	But you know what?
	I think I will kill myself.
	You know, I can kill myself.
	But if you're tied up by a man and you know, I don't want to violate anything, you cannot, you cannot, you know.
	The man in the woods with you is snidely whiplash.
	He's going to tie you up and put you on the train.
	That's all I'm saying.
	Probability game.
	That's my choice.
	So then what percentage of men do you think would be inclined to attack you or victimize you in some way?
	I don't know.
	But that's what we're asking.
	So you're doing a risk assessment?
	I don't know.
	50% for you.
	The question is meant to make a point.
	I think, like, realistically, like he said, you go hiking in the woods.
	I go hiking a lot.
	Like, you cross a lot of random men, and you're just like, you're good.
	I'm not dead.
	But the thing is, like, it's meant to make a point that even a cruel animal that will eat you while you're alive will still not like do some of the assault type things that like men kind of subject themselves to.
	I'll just go ahead and grant that, yeah, there are very few monstrous men out there.
	But the question is then.
	Given this, you're willing to, you'd rather be with a bear than in all likelihood, if you just select a random man out of the population, totally harmless, would never hurt you, would probably even help you in some sort of forest survival situation.
	There's a woman that tied herself to the top of a tree for three months, and that's after it was everybody was after her.
	There's policemen and everything.
	So, in this scenario, if there's a bear, I can just live on the trees and I can survive that.
	But if there's a man next to me and I'm on a tree, that man can get me.
	How do you tie yourself up?
	Bears are so good at climbing, by the way.
	I just want to say that real quick.
	They superclimb so much.
	I've been in a tree stand and had a bear come up and I'm not going to be able to do it.
	I like hiding outside myself.
	I do not hike, so I do not know that.
	Like, bear climb the tree.
	But I feel like in a forest, you could find a safe spot.
	But when you have a human intelligence to trace your steps, it's a higher likelihood, especially bad, very vicious men can be very smart too, you know?
	What about what about like you hang out with a raven?
	What if you hang out with a random man and then take him home?
	Would you rather take the random man home at night or a bear?
	Like, what's more likely to happen?
	Because he's a stranger, you're having a one-night stand.
	How are you any safer?
	Everything exists in the context.
	It's very like sensationalized.
	It's just meant to kind of like, I mean, the question is not like, I feel like literal almost.
	Do you know what I mean?
	Yeah.
	I think most people, like, it's like, well, realistically, yeah, but I get the point that they're trying to make when they ask you.
	They're just afraid of sexual assault.
	Exactly.
	Mentally.
	Sexual assault.
	Please don't be naive.
	A bear will not do that to you.
	There's a lot more than sexual assault in my bears.
	So you'd rather be a little bit safer.
	Well, they could kill you at the end.
	All of your experts.
	You're so right.
	Human beings are so much more cruel than any animal could be.
	We're capable of wild, horrible things.
	Every one of us went to school.
	We've read history.
	We know how bad people can be.
	The idea is that women very smugly want to say that they feel safer in the forest with a bear, which just seems intellectually inconsistent because almost all women are alone with men very often.
	And if I put you in a room with a bear like jackass style, you would lose your mind.
	Like I said, it exists in the context.
	If I'm going out partying, I'm conversing with this person.
	This person has friends.
	I assume he's a functioning social member.
	But in the woods, when there's a likelihood of you running into a psychopath, you don't know and you're trapped together.
	So it's like from the bottom of my heart, I truly believe that the chances of a man hiking being more normal than a guy at like a party or a bar is so much higher.
	I'm not talking about hiking people.
	What he's questioned is, he's dropping a random man.
	So like anybody in all this world have equal probability.
	However, in a bar, it's more likely that people who are not psychopaths have friends and talking to you like a normal person.
	This is about part of the world.
	You know, a lot of psycho killers and stuff are just the most friendly, nice neighbors, good in the neighborhood, had a lot of friends.
	Don't you think there would be more dangerous men in a party setting rather than going on a hike, though?
	But that's what I'm saying.
	I think hiking men, there would be danger and partying men have danger to what you said is correct.
	But I'm saying that the question didn't ask you hiking and running into a hiking man.
	It asked you are dropping a random man.
	You picked up a random man.
	So like you are a bad person or a good man or a bad man.
	It's equal likely, you know?
	But if you get lost in the woods, it is a random man that rescues you.
	That's true.
	Well, I mean, he is random.
	You don't know him.
	He's a stranger.
	Not always.
	I mean, I guess.
	The situation is different.
	It's like you're trapped in an island.
	There's nobody rescued or whatever.
	Okay.
	It's a different situation.
	It's not hiking.
	Okay.
	All right.
	I feel like it gets kind of misinterpreted.
	Like, I don't think it's very much not literal because, of course, like a random man is, you know, a bear is probably more likely to kill you just based on what.
	Yeah, it happened a couple months ago here in California, right?
	Yeah, so it's more, it's more, I feel, about like, there are genuinely women that feel that way.
	Like, because they've just had awful personal experiences.
	And it's usually just like, it's not like usually a bunch of men.
	It's usually like one man can make you answer it that way.
	It's interesting that the question is framed in such a way that like kind of tries to belittle men or make us feel like we're bad when you're reaching out to like express how you've been hurt and how scary men are to you and you're doing it in a way that antagonizes men instead of a way that like makes men understand you and want to be better.
	Yeah, I just that's the whole problem with the internet discourse around men and women.
	It's like you don't have to try and dunk on us over a bear.
	You could just say, hey, a lot of men really scare me and I wouldn't want to be alone with one and I want you to do that.
	We do that all the time.
	We say that.
	You guys don't listen.
	It's not I just think it's sexist to be honest.
	Yeah.
	I think it's inflammatory.
	But every single person I know in their life, a lot of people didn't give their first time away consensually.
	And it's always pushed.
	And the line is really blurry because you don't know what's true, what's not.
	Because when you say no, they keep, you know, aren't you the one hopping men in clubs?
	Huh?
	I don't hop on men in clubs.
	Speak for yourself.
	You're dancing.
	I mean, yes.
	You didn't describe earlier like kissing someone and you're like, and so I inferred that he was into it.
	I started groping all that.
	I see.
	I heard something like that.
	Sexual assault as well.
	I thought you said hop on men.
	No, I'm telling you, like, we're making out.
	It makes sense.
	That's the next logical step.
	Because you assume that.
	So in your mind, you made it into something dirty.
	Oh, wait, you just said we were making out.
	It was the next logical step that I grabbed his tip.
	So you accepted.
	So couldn't the guy say the same thing?
	We're making out.
	And if you're sure that he was scared, he just throws you.
	She's grabbing my hand.
	Because when I move my hand next to his thigh, he put his hand on me to move closer to the penis.
	And when someone, when I don't want someone, when they touch my shoulder, it's obvious.
	These signs are obvious.
	And you guys don't listen.
	I don't think consent always has to be like, hey, let's check the yes or no box.
	Like, I think that it's kind of like, I mean, there's like a nuance to it.
	Yeah, exactly.
	And you're just saying, like, black hats.
	Okay, so, anyways, I do think, though, it is interesting because I'll grant to you that plenty of women have had poor experiences with some men.
	Yeah.
	But like, the overwhelming majority of men are totally safe.
	It's not.
	You're allowing one bad experience from somebody to soil a whole group of people, which sounds, you know, like sexism, racism, like any of that.
	When women talk about like their issues with men and like assault, they're usually not targeting the men that are not doing it, but men always feel attacked.
	Can I ask you a question?
	If you put the question the other way around, you're dropped in a forest with a bear and another woman you do not know.
	Because a lot of women are also psychopathical killers, narcissists, and everything.
	Would you still choose the bear?
	Or is it sexist?
	I mean, I would.
	Because you will probably go to the women, right?
	Because a woman is not that dangerous as a man.
	You can answer that, Gohan, if you want.
	Well, I think that, like, like I said, like, logically, like, I would pick the man because it's a random lady.
	She's probably not going to do that.
	But like, the point of the question is to make a point.
	And I think that you switch it to a woman, I still would say the same thing.
	But so instead of just saying, like, because, okay, if, for example, 90% of men, I don't know the actual number, probably more than 90%, 95%, who knows the number?
	Let's just say it's 90% of men, totally harmless, would never hurt a woman, whatever.
	I don't think that, I feel like...
	You think it's more?
	I think more.
	I think a lot of men, like, I don't, I also, like, I mean, a lot of women are victims and a lot of men are victims, but like, most of the women I know have been a victim to some kind of thing.
	I don't know many men that would say that.
	But I think as a woman, we talk about it because when I help other women, I think a lot of men get assaulted as well.
	Hurt in abusive relationships.
	The killing rate of men are much higher than women.
	So I think men do not speak about it, so we do not know the exact numbers of how bad women can be.
	I think we as a woman can be horrible.
	Yes, but why do men afraid to talk about it?
	Because of the patriarchy?
	Because it's not.
	I don't think it's the patriarch.
	It is.
	It's because men are, who is shaming these men saying, oh, you should have liked it.
	You should have.
	It's the same thing.
	A lot of men get raped, assault.
	The numbers that men are killing us are so much higher than women.
	Why do you think that is?
	So you think that there's, like, men, broadly speaking, are kind of fine with, I've heard this term, that there's a grape culture?
	Is that what you're talking about?
	Not really, but I do think it's something.
	know I don't I don't I don't know I don't think it's I think that it happens a lot like very often like people do experience things like that I would say like if it's brought to the attention, people usually like average person is probably like, hey, that's not okay.
	But like I feel like it does happen a lot and people are likely to try to silence a woman, say, oh, she wants, like, I don't know, like Epstein or like any kind of famous person or like all these different cases.
	You know what I mean?
	Like they are likely to say, oh, the woman just wants attention.
	The woman like is trying, like, shut her down.
	Yeah, they say she wanted to get something out of this.
	Like, that's what the Epstein files is.
	I think that, but I do think that a lot of the time men do experience the same issues as women.
	They're less likely to talk about it because people will shame them.
	And that's why they don't talk about it.
	But I think there's a lot more women.
	Yes, I definitely for sure think it's a lot more women that experience it, but statistically, like that doesn't make men less likely.
	Yeah, and there's plenty of men who get falsely accused of these sort of things and it absolutely ruins their lives.
	That shit's insane.
	I don't really think people.
	More women's lives are ruined by men in terms of this than men's lives.
	I don't think that's more proportionally.
	Like, I mean, I really don't think false accusations, like, I mean, that could be.
	I don't think they're that often.
	They're not really.
	It's super common.
	No, it's a lot of people.
	It's pretty common.
	It also affects minority communities much more than white communities.
	Do you know Patrice O'Neal?
	Yeah, I do.
	So Patrice O'Neal, super famous comedian, one of the funniest comedians ever.
	RIP, RIP, Patrice O'Neal.
	So he dated a white woman or hooked up with a white woman.
	And there was like some component of judgment from her peer group.
	This was probably back in the 80s or 90s that she hooked up with a black guy.
	And instead of just dealing with the regret, she falsely accused him of SA and I think he went to jail.
	How do they know it's false?
	How do you know that these men actually essayed this?
	Why would I lie about this?
	Hold on.
	Why would you lie about this?
	Yes, why?
	There's a lot.
	Yeah, there's a lot of people who are not.
	People lie about all kinds of murders.
	Women murder people.
	Has a girl ever lied about you?
	Has a girl ever made up some shit about you?
	Yes, but this is a serious accusation.
	This is why.
	I agree with you.
	Women lie all the time about this.
	Women lie about who got them pregnant.
	Women do lie, but please tell me why someone would.
	What are you thinking?
	Do you know how much you have to.
	Do you know how much you stand to gain from a lie?
	You get so much hate, and these women get pressured with like lawsuits and all this insane shit when they're in the middle of the moment.
	What do you mean they get victim points?
	They get victim points.
	No, this is not thinking a woman wants to be victims.
	They get joyful.
	They get to people who indulge in their victim identity.
	It's literally like why, like, they get silenced so quickly, and people hate when they're not.
	No, they literally don't.
	That's your perspective as a Giovanni JD.
	You're one of those like, oh, male.
	Marcus literally admitted and bragged about SA on camera 90 minutes ago and is now backing off it.
	Straight to fucking jail.
	They're not sending their best folks.
	Also, chick next to pink has a tummy ache.
	Oh, also, I was going to say.
	Is that like calling me fat?
	No, no, no, no.
	Yeah, maybe he's talking about like a face you're making or something.
	I don't know.
	RBF.
	Yeah, Giovanni, thank you for the TTS.
	Okay, so you're about to call me a men's rights activist.
	What would actually be wrong with being a men's right?
	There's nothing wrong with that, but the thing is, a lot of these men, they like.
	So yeah, I stand up for men who are falsely accused.
	And I'm just too as a woman because women hold on, but women who make false accusations discredit women who actually are victims of these things.
	And it makes it harder for them to get justice.
	But the thing is, so I think SA is a fucking terrible crime.
	Awful crime.
	They should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.
	But also, women will make false accusations too, and that this is an issue for men that needs to be addressed.
	But you know what?
	Is it really ridiculous?
	Whenever a woman brings up any kind of sexual assault or any kind of anything like that, men immediately go, instead of being like, oh, that's really bad, they go, what about men?
	What about men?
	Shut up badly.
	What about men?
	Are you talking about Twitter or real life?
	Real life.
	Did you kind of second that?
	In my experience, men kind of get really, really divined.
	big sass energy donated two hundred dollars trevor bauer the baseball player falsely accused of sa major recent case got kicked out of the mlb woman absolutely do this stuff all the time okay then you list five assault right now Five sexual assault men that were wrongly accused.
	I can say 10.
	I can say 12.
	I can say 20 right now.
	Trevor Bower, Patrice O'Neill, there was, I think, Kobe was falsely accused.
	The Jackson 5?
	Or the Central Park 5?
	Weren't they falsely accused?
	Here's a good one.
	Who is that?
	Can we let her say that?
	Wait, wait.
	Hold on.
	Oh man, this was like in the...
	She's been trying to talk.
	Wait, wait.
	It like essentially started the civil rights.
	Louis?
	Uh-huh.
	No.
	What?
	It was this Emmett Till.
	Emmett Till.
	This was a 14-year-old boy, and I guess he was going to a gas station or something, and he made a comment towards a white woman.
	This is in the deep south.
	She goes and tells her family that this 14-year-old boy said something kind of whatever, hit on her, whatever, spoke to her, didn't touch her, didn't essay her, just spoke, said something that I guess there's racism component to this too.
	So she tells this lie, who knows why, and then her family lynches him, kills him, beats him to a pulp.
	14-year-old boy gets lynched and then on her deathbed confesses that it was all a lie.
	That is a very sad story.
	It's very unfortunate it happened.
	It shouldn't happen.
	But you keep listing individual cases where men were wrongly accused and then women.
	You asked me to give you a question.
	And then, like, the thing is, but I can list hundreds of women who are sexually assaulted.
	So if we're weighing, the women are hurt so much more.
	There's a few cases of men getting a tactic.
	I'm not trying to do a tit-for-tat comparison.
	Hold on.
	I'm not trying to do a tit-for-tat comparison here, but like, I have not committed to memory like every single.
	I've heard of hundreds of instances of men who've been falsely accused.
	Hundreds of instances.
	I don't commit them to memory, but like I find.
	Yeah, go ahead.
	Oh, well, I was going to say, I just feel like there's a difference when you're talking about SA.
	You're saying it's such a small amount of men, and it's just like irrational that women would be choosing the bear or like making that point.
	But you're so quick to say false accusations happen all the time.
	They do.
	Yeah, well, I would just say, like, the numbers are either comparable or rape must be higher because it's a more common crime.
	It's a more common crime.
	And like, it's still in statistics.
	Well, they've done, there's been various analysis and studies on this.
	They typically put the rate of false accusations anywhere from 8% to 45% in some studies.
	I don't really, I don't know.
	You don't have to believe it, but those are some of the studies that have been done.
	But like an agreed-upon number is 8%.
	Okay, well, listen, so I've experienced a lot of really bad stuff in my lifetime.
	Okay.
	And the man, scot-free, nothing happened to him.
	He has a whole girlfriend.
	Did you go to the police?
	No, but I was a child.
	And these men get away with it.
	That's it.
	Okay, well, I mean, I obviously object to child abuse, but like, I'm not saying that this stuff doesn't happen, but we're talking, this is all within the context of the bear conversation.
	And you guys are saying, well, the risk is so significant of SA.
	What do you mean?
	It's not significant.
	Like, we've all pretty much, like, the statistics, like, we know it's not likely to happen.
	It's not as likely.
	It's the women have an emotional, you know, emotional damage from men.
	Okay, so here.
	I have to wrap up on the bear thing.
	Did you have something on this on the field?
	I don't even remember anymore.
	Well, hold on.
	So I got to move on from this.
	But so I guess where I'm going with all this is my view is to say bear, it's essentially you're just being sexist towards men.
	Because if I were to give you a scenario, if we just change it to, would you rather be in the forest with a black?
	Hail and well met.
	Lol Paladins donated $200.02.
	Proof that women lie constantly.
	Go ahead, Washwars.
	You just said you could name one hundreds of women.
	Go ahead.
	We are waiting.
	You've currently named zero.
	Lie some more.
	You just lied to win an argument.
	She's behind the scenes.
	She heard it, Lol Paladins.
	One sec.
	So, anyways, it's not really like I'm not trying to do like a competition.
	She asked me to name some.
	I named a couple.
	This is not like my primary talking point here.
	In fact, it rarely comes up on the show, but it came up tonight.
	I've heard from, I've heard so many stories, especially in college.
	This is crazy how they handle it in college.
	Title IX, these men are absolutely just like losing their college careers over like dubious accusations.
	In any case, look, if genuinely happens, I think these men ought to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law, but I also believe in innocent until proven guilty.
	And it very much seems when it comes to these specific kinds of accusations, innocent until proven guilty is totally thrown out the window.
	So I do just have to say, on this bear thing, so you I'll grant that you've had bad experiences with men, but to then go ahead and just have this sort of general bias against men is like, well, as long as you just say you're sexist, okay.
	You'll have to also say, for example, if we put a black man in this situation, would you rather be in the forest with a black man or a bear and you pick bear?
	You're going to have to be racist.
	If no, if that was actually true, that people had a reason to be threatened by another race of people, then it would be true.
	But women are physically reasons.
	Let me ask you a question.
	So let's say I had a bad experience with a black man.
	And then from there on out, I held a bias against all black men.
	I was fearful of them.
	I was scared they were going to attack me.
	I would get away from them.
	I wouldn't associate with them.
	I wouldn't be friends with them.
	Wouldn't do business with them.
	Whatever it is, would that be racist?
	If you hate another race of people, if you think they're inferior, then that is racist.
	So if that's what you're describing, then yeah.
	Is it what I'm describing?
	What you said, like you avoid.
	Okay, I'll make it really simple.
	If somebody has one negative experience with a black person, and because of that one negative experience, they then are scared of black people in general.
	Is that racist?
	Yeah, I would say that's racist.
	So then it's sexist for women who have had one bad experience with men.
	Not one.
	Okay, fine.
	Three.
	It's like, no, but I don't think you understand that women experience like small cuts, like, you know, death by a thousand cuts.
	It's like always something that men can just never understand.
	Men can never understand how women like that.
	Yeah, you get a lot of creepy attention from men.
	We get it.
	No, you actually don't because you're not a woman and you haven't grown up as a girl and like the amount of like men that will like look at you when you're a child.
	Like yes.
	What the fuck is that?
	No, it's genuinely true.
	Wait, no, no, no.
	Hold on.
	Actually, if you look at what's going on in the school system, you have a bunch of women who are essaying underage children, male children.
	But there's a lot more male predators.
	Oh, no, there's way more female teachers.
	There's way more female teachers.
	There's way more female teachers.
	Essaying children about that.
	Can I still say something?
	It's horrible.
	All right, can I say something?
	Because it's quite a fiery topic at the moment.
	First, I want to start.
	It's horrible what happened to you.
	I hope later in life they still get them.
	I think the system, law system, will get there eventually.
	So I hope you get the closure you need some eventually to start off.
	I'm studying law and I see a lot of twisted stories.
	And a lot of those stories in the courtroom are about falsely accused men, women that go out with fake ideas, fake everything.
	And do not say that every woman does that.
	I just say it happens.
	I think that's wrong.
	I think that's very wrong as well.
	I think a lot of men do not speak out because of shame.
	I think if, as a woman, we have something happening to us, we do not always speak out right away.
	That's why you have stories like a year later or two years later that you finally have the courage to speak about what happened to you, and you are very brave if you finally do.
	With men, it's the same thing.
	Men are not monsters, they have feelings sometimes as well.
	It takes time for men to speak out.
	I think that's why the numbers aren't there yet.
	And I think also we live in a time where it's very hard to be a man sometimes because if you give a compliment in this time of age to a woman, like, hey, you smell very nice, it's like, oh my god, don't talk to me.
	I have a boyfriend, that's sexual assault.
	I think the time we are living in is very confusing for both parts.
	We want to have boundaries, want to be respectful to ourselves.
	But in the same time, it's very hard to be human and talk like, hey, girl, you look nice today.
	It's like, oh my god, why do you talk to me?
	Do you like sexualize me?
	No, girl, just being honest, you look great today, you know?
	It's very hard sometimes to be a man as well.
	So I think we have to look at both ways.
	Men are not all monsters.
	I see grown-ass men cry about everything and stuff.
	So, and the same as women, calm down.
	I think the numbers aren't there yet because men are so ashamed.
	So, so ashamed.
	I think a man looks at himself and thinks of himself as less of a man for something like that to happen.
	And as a woman, we do as well, right?
	We are so ashamed when something happens to us.
	Our womanhood is taken away.
	We do not feel as a woman anymore.
	Think about it in your head.
	A man would feel probably the same.
	Like, damn, I just froze.
	We froze when something.
	Some people freeze when something happens to you.
	Like, why would I let that happen to me?
	I just laid there and didn't do shit.
	Because you froze.
	You're scared.
	It's like people react that way.
	Some men have the same response.
	That's what I see in the courtroom.
	They just freeze.
	They just freeze.
	Old man Maureen donated $200.
	Where's the video of the man saving the women from drowning?
	Would you rather swim with sharks or be picked up by a random man in a boat?
	Okay, who picks shark?
	Who would rather be in the ocean with a shark than a random man in the boat?
	No, I'm not on patient.
	Okay.
	They're so scary.
	They just defeated the whole coincidence.
	Old man Maureen, thank you for the message.
	We have another one coming in here, and then we have two more chats.
	Stinky Demagic Pooh.
	It's a known fact in sociology circles that women abuse the elder and children more frequently than men.
	It's just never talked about because it's faux pas to present anything female in poor light.
	And then there is something kind of related to the bear thing here.
	For example, like women commit the vast majority of neo-naticide.
	So if we use the same logic in the man versus bear thing, could we conclude that it's safer to entrust a baby with a bear than the baby's own mother?
	Anyways, I don't know that came to mind.
	We have two chats.
	We have.
	Oh, there's another one.
	Can you read this one?
	Drop your diocese number, no Eucharist.
	I'll read it because it's about me.
	Shane talking about receiving nudes and hooking up.
	Drop your diocese number, no Eucharist for you.
	See you at confession or your exorcist 300 Ail Marys, please.
	Firstly, I genuinely need to go to confession.
	I am not a perfect Catholic and I'm a new Catholic and it's very hard to meet the expectations and I will try for the rest of my life and fail probably a lot.
	Secondly, I'm talking about the past.
	I was secular for 36 years, man.
	Give me a break here.
	And we have lol paladins.
	Waswaz needs to stay away from casinos.
	Random man does not mean equality likely to hurt you has not hurt you.
	That isn't what random means unless you think 50% of men are grapers.
	Random man does not mean equally likely to hurt you.
	Who's Waswaz?
	Who's that?
	I think her, maybe.
	Thank you, Law Paladins, for that.
	Peachy, can I have you read these?
	Sure.
	25 to 30% of DNA tests in family court turn out to be the father is not the husband.
	That's also fair, too.
	I see this a lot in the courtroom.
	I also see this a lot.
	It's very sad.
	Because if it gets to family court, something must have happened.
	If they took a DNA test, there must be suspicion.
	So in that denominator, it's just a larger group of people that have a higher chance of adultery.
	So it's like that's not an accurate representation of the world.
	But if a man cheats on his wife, he's horrible.
	But if a woman cheats on my mind, it's hard.
	All right.
	We have JJ Madd.
	Can you read this one?
	Sorry.
	ADHD.
	The woman versus bear question is literally the smoking, I can't say that, for why women should never have the right to vote.
	Damn, okay.
	All right.
	There you go.
	Thank you, JJ Madd.
	Appreciate it, bro.
	Appreciate it.
	Thank you for the soup chat.
	I think women should be allowed to vote, but they should also be drafted.
	So there you have it.
	That looks fairly funny.
	I have something I wanted to say about it.
	Back to the notes here.
	Going back to Vivian, you said you had hosts, you had disagreements on abortion.
	I thought you were, I thought Andrew was going to be here, and he's a lot more political.
	Okay, well, I'll be right back.
	I don't know what you're like.
	Oh, okay.
	So Andrew's pro-life.
	Yeah.
	Okay, what's your pro-choice position then?
	So my position is if the baby could be, or fetus, whatever you want to call it, could be removed from the woman's body and still survive, then I think you should not have an abortion.
	But otherwise, I think if the fetus baby needs to be in this, in here to survive, sorry.
	To survive, I would say that that is bodily autonomy.
	Sure.
	Well, so if it's sorry, Ryan.
	If it's incubating in a woman, then it doesn't deserve to live.
	If it's incubating in a machine, it does deserve to live.
	I don't think that it's at a.
	I think I do like kind of compare like a very early stage fetus to like a bug.
	Like it probably has the same amount of brain cells and ability to like survive.
	Like we don't prosecute for killing bugs.
	I just don't.
	Okay.
	Well, just before we get into it, and we won't linger too long on the abortion topic, but just show of hands, who's pro-choice?
	Pro-choice.
	Pro-life.
	Wait, but you also raise your body?
	Yeah, it's because, like, yeah, in a perfect world, it'd be great if we could be pro-life.
	You know what I mean?
	But we don't live in a perfect world.
	So if you illegalize it, people just do stupid stuff, like hurt themselves so they don't have to have a baby.
	it's ridiculous.
	I get her point because I think if you're like sexually assaulted and you're underage and everything like that and you're also going to have a baby with that it's oh that's hard But I'm also very pro-life.
	Okay.
	The baby just doesn't know.
	matter just because it was rape.
	I think if it's like underage and you're raped and everything and you're not...
	Careful, guys.
	That's true.
	But you get my point of view.
	Like, it's hard.
	I think it's the woman's choice then, what she wanted to do.
	And this is what I mean.
	But in the same way, I'm very pro-life.
	It's not her.
	I'm like in between at the moment.
	Well, but so, I mean, who show of hands, who's pro-choice again?
	I don't know.
	Okay.
	Well, I guess on that thing, really quick.
	The thing is, with, I guess, the pro-choice thing, I would suspect that if people who are pro-life actually allowed a cutout for, well, okay, most of them are fine with like mother's life is at risk.
	You can get an abortion.
	But then if they were like, okay, in the case of like incest or SA, under those circumstances, then you can.
	I don't think they would make that compromise, though.
	Like, because they would still want abortion rights for women who just don't really feel like that.
	But as a man, if you are very, very pro-life, and there's nothing wrong with that, I do not disagree.
	Would you also play child support when it's still an infant?
	Because it's alive, right?
	Would you also pay that nine months of child support already because it's already alive, right?
	Just curiosity.
	I mean, that is an argument that gets brought up, but I mean, I would more so be interested in asking the pro-choice women: should men pay child support before the baby's born?
	Assuming the mother wants to keep the child.
	And you don't?
	I'm asking the question to the pro-choice.
	Before the baby is born?
	Yeah, should a man have to pay child support?
	No, like medical expenses.
	You got to be into the microphone, man.
	For medical expenses?
	Like, during the pregnancy?
	Sure.
	Honestly, I haven't really thought about that, but.
	Do you think you think men should?
	So child support means what?
	Well, it's child.
	I mean, you could definitely.
	How soon into the pregnancy should men pay child support?
	Is this equal to the power?
	Hold on, hold on.
	How soon into the pregnancy?
	Because as a woman, you can find out you're pregnant.
	You can find out you're pregnant at six weeks, right?
	Once the baby is born.
	Well, okay.
	That's the standard, though.
	But should men pay child support prior to the birth?
	I mean, I don't think that's like a pressing issue.
	You only can't.
	No, no, no, just answer the question.
	Just answer the question.
	Do you think they should?
	It's a should question.
	It's such a small thing.
	Yeah, yeah, sure.
	I should say no.
	Like, what if you have a supporting partner or baby pregnancy?
	Okay, so at what point along the pregnancy should a man start paying child support as soon as she finds out at say six weeks?
	No, when it's I'll say when it's born.
	Okay, but these two have different opinions.
	No, I don't know.
	When should the guy start paying child support?
	In a world where men are required to pay child support before the baby is born, I guess like an appropriate time would be when she finds out she's pregnant?
	No.
	Like the five six months.
	I don't know.
	Six months when she has to start preparing for it.
	I don't know.
	It's stupid.
	It's like how much money is in that?
	Just answer the question.
	I don't know, whatever.
	Yes, no, equal.
	It's such a stupid question.
	So another question.
	I don't think it's a stupid question, but okay.
	Yeah, I believe you believe that.
	Okay.
	Do you think, or would you show of hands again?
	Who's pro-choice?
	Just curious.
	In the middle.
	Okay.
	So those of you who are pro-choice, if you could, if it meant that women would always have the right to an abortion, would you be in favor of disallowing men from being able to vote on abortion-related matters?
	So if it's just women determining it?
	Right, because I mean, this is a common thing.
	They say, well, this is a woman's issue.
	Do you think men should be precluded from being allowed to vote on abortion issues?
	I mean, I think that they should be able to vote on stuff, but I feel like maybe it's like, I feel like they're not really, a lot of them are not educated on it and stuff.
	Yeah, I guess.
	I guess.
	Because I think that if it was just women voting, I think that it would probably be, it would be in favor of pro-choice.
	Okay, so you would take away men's right to vote on this issue?
	I mean, I think everyone should be able to vote.
	But if it guaranteed, and I think it would, if you removed men's right to vote on this issue, I think it would likely guarantee women's ability to have a vote.
	Sure, women can determine their own like.
	So then would you be in favor of walking back men's right to vote on this issue?
	I don't know.
	I mean, okay, I need answers from other people then.
	No.
	Just get onto the mic.
	Okay, a simple answer: no.
	I think everybody should have the right to vote on anything in our country.
	Okay, what about you?
	They should be even, okay.
	I think they should have right, equal rights.
	Like, both should be able to vote on all issues.
	But so, even if, as somebody who's pro-choice, even if you could secure women's right to abortion forever by preventing men from voting on this issue?
	That's not fair.
	Like, I don't think that's fair because if I do that to you guys, you guys can turn around and like, oh, I'm going to do that to you too.
	And then this is like a war that never ends.
	So it should be equal, I mean, like, equal competition.
	I think it's dangerous as well because as a woman, we have sometimes the ick to have a child, right?
	That feeling is very strong.
	And I think men would like to have children as well at some point.
	And if a woman can take away a man's passion to have a child, like we women have, or like the ick to have a child, I think it's very damaging to a man as well.
	Okay.
	But yeah, Andrew's not here.
	You did want to talk about abortion, but I think you have.
	Dominica, did I say right?
	Yeah.
	You're pro-life, right?
	So why don't you guys have a brief conversation on this then?
	Well, I mean, I have my position pretty much.
	I definitely think that the man should have a say because without the man, there's nothing in there, you know.
	They're both in it together.
	So I think that's just fair.
	Well, not about the whole voting thing.
	So just going back to abortion rights in general.
	So you don't think you're pro-life, right?
	Right.
	So then I'm assuming you're not in favor of even early on in the pregnancy, you're not in favor of women being allowed to have abortions, correct?
	Correct.
	Okay.
	She says 20 weeks, what's your cutoff?
	Oh, viability.
	Is that your cutoff?
	For having an abortion?
	Yeah, is it viability?
	It's if you can deliver, then you should deliver.
	Like if the baby can survive.
	Outside the womb.
	So viability.
	Okay.
	So my understanding, Dominica, life begins at conception for you?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	So.
	For sure.
	Go on.
	I mean, I disagree with you because, I mean, you're literally taking a life out of someone.
	You know, you're telling them, no, you cannot live.
	And I just think that's kind of sad to just take that right from someone, from a baby who hasn't been entirely processed yet.
	So, yeah.
	I would say everyone has a different definition of life.
	And so that is why it's a pretty hard topic.
	But I do feel like, aside from that, I feel like we have bodily autonomy.
	So I would bring up the point of like an organ donor, do you think it's okay to give up an organ that wouldn't affect you to save someone's life?
	Do I think, say that again?
	Sorry?
	Aren't like kidneys, like you can lose one, it doesn't matter, like donate it.
	Right, but this is a whole life.
	It's not just a kid.
	Just lose the child, it doesn't matter.
	Just throw it in a bin.
	We're donut care.
	Sure, but it's someone else's life.
	If they have a yeah, so does one life, like, do you really have the authority to say, like, I think there's accountability, like, if you got pregnant, you got pregnant, there's birth control and all that.
	So, yeah, yeah.
	But I think, like, if you don't want to have a kid, you kind of shouldn't, because you're not going to be a good parent, in my opinion, it could change.
	You could just put it for adoption.
	Yeah, but if you don't have a problem, there's a difference between using your bodily autonomy to save a life and using your bodily autonomy to end a life.
	Yeah, but should you be forced to go through with something for another person's life?
	But if you don't have a life, you want to have children.
	You should have children.
	If you were not careful, even if you don't have to stay safe in the womb, it will be a life.
	But even if it's not alive, right now we're not alive.
	And if you kill it, you're taking away any chance of that.
	There are not studies that it's not alive yet.
	It will be.
	Okay, sperm could be a life.
	So when you exactly.
	Yes, and it's sacred and you shouldn't do it outside of a woman's life.
	If you do not want to have children, youth protection.
	Everybody knows.
	Everybody watching this player.
	By the way, every time a guy masturbates, he kills so many babies.
	All these sperm creatures.
	So many babies.
	The potential, though.
	That is literally you guys are saying that.
	I'm saying sperm is alive.
	You guys are so brutal.
	Really, really extreme Christians don't even believe in taking contraception.
	Yeah, contraception.
	Yeah, for sure.
	Okay.
	But it's like the same type.
	I don't know.
	You can write your religion for sure.
	Super far from the microphone.
	You should make whatever podcast condoms would be so funny as marriage.
	That would be hilarious.
	Oh my god, it would be so funny as marriage.
	Well, here's a question.
	Oh, my God.
	Those of you women who are pro-choice, do you think men should be able to escape the responsibility of child support?
	No, I mean...
	Ah, pro-choice.
	I'm both.
	Okay, you're both.
	So you're fine with women getting abortion.
	Are you fine with a woman getting an abortion because she's just not financially ready to have a child?
	No, I think that's so stupid.
	But we live in a world where you just kind of like it's a good idea.
	Okay, you think it's stupid, but okay, so you can allow it for she's not financially ready to have a child.
	It's stupid, though.
	Okay.
	Very stupid.
	So should a man be able to escape financial responsibility?
	I mean, if I'm going to stick to what I'm saying, yeah, I guess so.
	Pro-choice.
	Should men not have to pay child support if they don't want to?
	Pro-choice?
	Should men have to not pay child support?
	You're pro-choice.
	I was just.
	Yeah, I'm pro-choice.
	I think men should always pay child support.
	I don't know.
	If there's a child support.
	Why?
	Because you brought the child to the world.
	But what if he wanted you to have an abortion?
	And you didn't.
	Wait, so just so I'm clear.
	Well, he didn't use protection.
	So you opened yourself up that a girl not.
	Hold on.
	Let me get the answer from everybody.
	Pro-choice, pro-choice, pro-choice.
	Should men, let's say a guy hooks up the girl, she gets pregnant, he doesn't want the kid, she does.
	Should he have to pay child support?
	No.
	No.
	I believe that child support is different from abortion rights, if that's what you're getting to.
	I don't know what, like, if there is a connection.
	Yeah, there's no problem.
	Hold on, there absolutely isn't a connection.
	Why don't you just answer the question?
	Oh, I literally thought you were trying to make a point about it.
	I didn't have a point, but you can answer the question.
	I said yes.
	Yes, men should have to pay child support.
	Okay, what about you?
	I feel like you gotta speak into the mic.
	Okay.
	I think I know where you're going with this, and I actually do believe that, I mean, I don't exactly know how we'd be able to make this work out, but abortion should be somewhat of a collective decision.
	I am pro-choice, but I think in a world where men or the baby daddy or whoever does have somewhat of a say in whether this fetus is going to be terminated or not, then yes, child support should be required.
	Do you understand what I'm saying with that?
	Because I know you're trying to say women have the choice to just get rid of their child if they want to, whereas men don't, and if they walk away from it, they're shamed and they can be taken to court.
	They are not always ashamed.
	I think some men could not pay for that child.
	I did not say that they're ashamed, that they are shamed by society for being deadbeat.
	I'll come back to your point.
	What do you think?
	I mean, I think that it's like kind of, I guess, I don't know.
	Like, because think like, so what if the man is, he wants her to get an abortion?
	He doesn't value that.
	But what if the woman, even though, like, so say, like, like you want, you're pro-life.
	So if you got knocked up by a dude that was like, he wants you to have the abortion, but you didn't, now you're not receiving funding for that.
	You're not getting no child support, and you have to deal with that alone.
	So it's like you, like, you know what I mean?
	Like, you still have the choice, but would you do it?
	You would just suffer, probably.
	You know what I mean?
	You wouldn't have money.
	So do you want to answer that?
	I think you sassy, but yes, I think they should.
	Okay.
	Because of that.
	In her situation, but what about the situation in general?
	It would make sense that, yeah, obviously, like, if they had the choice.
	It would always be the situation that the woman kept that opted to keep the child because there could be no child support absent a child being born.
	So the situation would always be he didn't want the child and she did.
	There's no other scenario.
	Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
	Like she wants because she's like religious or are you religious?
	That's why.
	So like you wanted to keep it, but then so you're going to keep it, but he doesn't want you to keep it.
	And so you keep it because you're religious, but then now you don't have any funding and you're supposed to be able to do that.
	I mean, you can make secular anti-abortion arguments.
	You're not also non-religious people don't want abortions because it makes them further.
	That's horrible.
	Exactly.
	And I. Hold on, hold on, hold on.
	I got to make my argument here.
	So those of you, I think all of you said that, yes, men should have to pay child support.
	No, I said no.
	Well, you're on the fence on pro-life, pro-choice.
	But so going back to your thing, so you're saying, well, yes, I think this is what you said.
	You said, in a world, you think that both men and women are too far from the mic.
	I don't have an answer for you, a clear answer for you about that, but I'm saying in a perfect world where I don't know.
	Well, we don't have to do that.
	What about the current world?
	Should men always be required to pay child support?
	No.
	Okay.
	So that's your question.
	Yeah.
	Sure.
	No, not necessarily.
	I say no.
	Yeah, actually, no, if that's necessary.
	No.
	I didn't know it was always.
	I thought it was like, it can be debated, but like, that's the default, in my opinion.
	Like, you should have the right to go to court and say, I don't want to pay child support.
	But if the man doesn't acknowledge the children's money, and a lot of times in these cases, it's like a guy that stays with this woman with the promise of like helping raise this child and then ends up leaving.
	So the woman's just going to suffer financially.
	Yes.
	And so it's like, what the fuck?
	Like, where did you go?
	Open your legs, right?
	What?
	You opened your legs, so it's action reaction, right?
	You made a choice.
	Stick up with that choice.
	It's action reaction, like consequences.
	And I also think if a man doesn't acknowledge the child, he shouldn't be paying child support.
	And I think a lot of women also get pregnant in hopes of getting money out of a man as a scheme as well.
	And I think that should be consideration.
	I think that's a lot of women.
	Oh, girl, it is.
	So, do you think there are men out there?
	There's literally an entire legal and court system that will force and compel men to pay child support if they don't want to.
	In the Netherlands, you do not have that.
	If men were just willing to pay child support for unwanted children, they would.
	But there's an enforcement arm of the government that forces men.
	It's actually, we've totally done away with debtors' prisons.
	So we deemed it unethical essentially to send people to prison for financial debts, except when it comes to unpaid child support.
	As a man, you can go to prison for that.
	In the Netherlands, you do not have that.
	If you are pregnant as a woman and you just say, I do not acknowledge this man as a father, you will not sign him on the birth certificate.
	He will not pay shit and he's not entitled to the child as well.
	Hold on, but in the Netherlands, could a woman say that this is the father and I want him to pay child support?
	Can he be legally compelled to pay child support?
	It would be very hard because if he isn't on the papers and everything, it would be very hard to support Netherlands.
	It's possible, but it will be hard.
	Because he didn't put his name on the paper.
	The government of the Netherlands, the parent is obliged to pay child maintenance until the child turns 21.
	If he acknowledged the child, yeah.
	If he acknowledged the child, if he doesn't acknowledge the child, it's a different story because he isn't entitled to that child as well.
	So she can just say he's not the father, he will not be on the birth certificate whatsoever.
	Giovanni JD donated $200.
	The level of understanding on this issue is zero.
	When does the child establish value that it can't be killed?
	Now justify why you drew the line there.
	You can't draw a coherent line post-conception.
	Well, she's saying viability.
	So once the baby is capable of surviving outside the womb, that's her line.
	But back to this, I gotta.
	Sorry, Giovanni, I do have to move it back to the child support thing.
	So I don't know how it is in the Netherlands.
	I'm not privy to that.
	Speaking about the U.S. system and the system in a lot of other countries.
	So, yeah, the man can be forced and compelled to pay child support.
	That's crazy.
	Even if he didn't want to.
	Here's a scenario: a guy could have a one-night stand with a girl.
	She could say, I'm on birth control, boom, boom, boom.
	I don't want to have a kid.
	She lied about it, whatever.
	And then she gets pregnant.
	He just wanted to have fun, one-night stand.
	He could be on the hook for 18 years of child support.
	So if I get pregnant on purpose by some billionaire, for example, just because I want to have the money and I know he's rich, I can do that and sue him in America for child support.
	You can, yeah, you can try to get child support.
	That's dangerous.
	It's dangerous to be a man.
	You see my point now?
	It's dangerous to be a man out there.
	It's dangerous.
	But so I guess going back to this, so you guys kind of flip-flopped on your answer here a little bit because I was asking, do you think men should be required to pay child support?
	And you guys said yes.
	You said yes.
	Yes, yes, yes.
	So I didn't understand the question.
	I thought you were asking generally, should we default to men?
	Like, not every single man has to pay child support.
	Of course, it should be debatable in court.
	But it's not.
	I disagree with that.
	Hold on.
	Okay, so the current state of affairs in this country, in every single state in this country, if a man has a child with a woman, wanted or unwanted, doesn't matter, any single woman can go to the court, go to, depends on the state, child services, whatever it is, and she can go after him for child support.
	The man in no instance can say, go to the court, and his defense can never be, I don't want to pay child support.
	The court will be like, you're going to pay child support.
	So you disagree?
	Like, what do you mean you dislike that is the law?
	So I don't know what debate we're supposed to have.
	You asked me if I believe in that that that should be, and I'm saying if I made the rules, that would not be the case.
	So, but so you're saying in some cases the man should not?
	Yeah, so in some cases, if the man is like super broke and can't support himself, there's no let's say he's wealthy.
	He just yeah, but I'm saying there are cases where you don't have to pay child support.
	No, you okay, well, I mean, if the man's making no money, actually, well, that's not even true.
	If the man is no making, is not making any money and the woman presses it enough, brings it to court, the court is going to still, the court is still going to attempt to start charging him child support.
	He might not be able to pay it, but he's going to owe it.
	And if he doesn't start paying it, he's going to end up with in California.
	Cancel your license.
	There's going to be interest.
	Yeah, you'll get your license canceled, and eventually you'll probably end up in prison or jail.
	Her answer is no, basically.
	I disagree that I think that's wrong.
	What do you mean?
	You think I'm wrong about the law?
	I don't think you're wrong.
	I think the law isn't do the law if I was like a lawmaker.
	Okay, so you're fine, for example, then with men just not paying child support?
	I think it should default to men paying child support.
	I think as a man, you have a right to go to court.
	You should have the right to go to court and say, I should not pay child support for this reason.
	You should be able to escape that.
	So then bringing it back to abortion, does a woman need to go to court and give her reasons for why she wants an abortion?
	Or can she get an abortion for any fucking reason without any judicial oversight?
	I think that it's actually, that's probably the best case scenario is that you are actually looking at the situations because I don't think you should get an abortion for no reason.
	But can a woman get an abortion for any reason?
	Like, do I believe that that should be a right?
	No, I'm just asking you what is.
	Oh, well, I think there are states that that's legal.
	Yeah.
	Abortion is legal.
	Right.
	Abortion rights have been limited in some states, but many states, women can get abortions for any reason.
	They don't need justification.
	I would also say that in abortion, like the reason to get an abort, there can't be no reason.
	So like the, I would say there's like a better reason and a worse reason.
	I would say that like a worse reason is like you can support the child and you like Like,
	like if you can't support the child and you want a kid, like eventually and it's just not the right time, I think not the right time is kind of like not as good of a reason as if you were like, you know, essayed.
	There's like a variety of reasons you could get.
	I would argue most women getting abortions is just because they were irresponsible.
	Why would you argue that?
	The men are irresponsible.
	They are irresponsible too.
	Because you opened your legs.
	Yeah, most abortions are just for like convenience.
	It's not.
	So what?
	I think I want it.
	I wouldn't say it's used as like birth control.
	Like I know that's an argument.
	But like, I would say like, so what?
	Even if they were irresponsible, I think they should be allowed to do that.
	It's our body.
	Like, are you a woman?
	You know what it's like to be a woman?
	You have a uterus.
	You have periods.
	You know nothing about being a woman.
	You're like, oh, get rid of your baby.
	Don't get rid of your baby.
	Like, who are you to make that decision?
	There should be no government.
	If I want to, I should be able to.
	If I'm depressed, because I'm depressed, I'm just sad.
	I don't want to have a baby this in nine months.
	I should be able to.
	No.
	You are entitled to your opinion, but I'm entitled to mine.
	That's just my opinion.
	Wait, so, I mean, no uterus, no opinion?
	Is that your argument?
	No opinion about women's uterus.
	Okay.
	Well, it seems to assume that men are incapable of having understanding, but I mean, the entire premise, it's basically...
	All the woman's organs, yes.
	What about if you're getting an abortion and you know the gender of the baby and it's a woman?
	What does that have to do with anything?
	Because you're talking about women's rights, but what about that woman's right to survive that's inside of you?
	I don't see it as a woman when I don't consider it alive.
	A nine month, whatever month, I don't know the science, is alive, and I don't think I killed anybody.
	Oh, okay.
	So, I mean, the whole like no uterus, no opinion.
	I mean, it's you're it's a logical fallacy.
	So, okay, neither males nor females have a monopoly on what is right or wrong, true or false.
	While the ramifications of the debate might have more immediate effect on a pregnant woman's body, I don't think that alone does not disqualify men from forming well-reasoned beliefs on the topic.
	But they don't really have.
	I have beliefs.
	That's why you can vote.
	It doesn't mean you can ban our rights about our body, our organs.
	Do you know any law that bans anything related to your organs, males' organs?
	Absolutely.
	Like what?
	Absolutely.
	Is there any ban?
	There are.
	Take it, give me one ban, federally, federally.
	So I'll give you something that is legal.
	So something that's legal.
	So circumstances.
	No, I'm saying something that's not legal or not.
	Yes, female genital mutilation is illegal.
	Male genital mutilation is widely practiced among 99% of the males born in this country.
	I should be able to murder because I'm depressed.
	What a fucking ghoul.
	If men can't have a position on abortion, then you can have no opinion on war since you don't register.
	And this leads me to my next bodily autonomy argument, Giovanni.
	Thank you.
	I agree.
	So, yeah, men have forced military conscription in this country.
	So that's something the government...
	Actually, this is a bigger infringement on bodily autonomy by the government because nobody is forcing women to have sex.
	Huh?
	Nobody is forcing women to have sex.
	I know about nobody.
	Okay, literally, all the cults, all the organization, all the corruption.
	Jesus, open your eyes and read the news.
	Okay, 90, probably 95% of the time.
	Where is that stop?
	Stop.
	Okay, sorry.
	95% of abortions probably result from consensual sex.
	I'll just grant you that some abortions are due to incest and SA.
	I'll just grant it.
	The vast majority of abortions arise out of consensual sex.
	Do you agree or disagree?
	I don't know the stats, but I think the majority is.
	Yeah, I agree.
	Consensual sex.
	Okay, so it's not wrong for me to state that.
	So the government is not compelling anybody to go and have consensual sex.
	We're not compelled.
	And most abortions are a result from consensual sex.
	However, the government has a direct and clear path to forced military conscription, which has to do with male-only bodily autonomy because only men in this country are forced to register for the selective service.
	And in the event of a draft, only men can be drafted.
	Going to a war is to help the society, right?
	You guys are fighting war, so you're helping America to be America.
	The woman, when you do abortion, it's literally harming our body.
	So it's literally not the same thing.
	Sending a man off to war to get himself killed is not harming his body.
	You can't go to war if you want to go to war.
	If you want women to go to war with men, that's okay.
	Women aren't warm.
	Men are forced to go to abortion.
	Because that's different.
	There are different concepts.
	Going to war and warnings.
	It's way worse than abortion.
	It's way worse than abortion.
	It's different, but it's a bodily autonomy issue.
	Several hundred thousand young men in Ukraine are like blown to pieces.
	I did.
	I did a minute ago.
	Against their duty.
	Yeah, against their will.
	I don't know.
	So a woman not being allowed to get an abortion is worse than war.
	Say it.
	Wait, let me think about this.
	You just said.
	Wait, I don't think that is.
	Okay.
	Say it.
	No, no, no.
	No, I'm not going to say that.
	You're going to make it soundbite.
	That's literally your position.
	Say it.
	No, I'm not saying that.
	I'm saying it to different situations.
	There's no comparison between the two.
	Why am I saying that?
	You're the one making the comparison.
	I'm saying.
	You're like, Brian, name a way that men don't have bodily autonomy.
	I literally don't understand.
	No, bodily, like body, like in your organs.
	Yeah.
	Yes.
	My body.
	You know what they shoot?
	Your organs.
	It's different.
	You're not going to a hospital to get something taken out, right?
	I mean, if you're going to get a bunch of people.
	No, you're going to battlefield or get the war shot off.
	It's great.
	In my opinion, it's different.
	I would love to hear your opinion on transgenders, though.
	You know what?
	Forced military conscription is way worse than women's lack of abortion access in some states.
	100% agree with you.
	Way worse.
	I think men should go to war.
	Women should have abortion.
	That's my opinion.
	Why is it if you are a woman, you can.
	How about men are not forced and women are not forced?
	Exactly.
	That's what I'm going to say.
	Yeah, but so okay.
	Why is it as a woman?
	We can always say, oh no, I'm a woman.
	It will hurt my feelings.
	I cannot do that.
	And a man will be like, fuck, I have to do this.
	We want, as a woman, we want a strong man who's manly, but if he gives us a compliment, a sexual assault, if he helps make choices, it's horrible.
	It's a horrible.
	Overgeneralizing.
	Can I speak?
	Thank you.
	You're great.
	Roasted.
	Thank you.
	You're amazing.
	Good girl.
	Either way, why is it always like.
	You know what I mean?
	Can I say something?
	If you're pro-choice, why aren't you letting your baby be pro-choice?
	To grow and live.
	Like I said, I don't consider it a baby.
	I consider it like not alive before a certain aphate.
	But you're taking a breath.
	If it doesn't, if you cannot take it out.
	You're taking out their natural choice to live, though.
	Like I said, like, you guys are also, women are also taking the natural choice of swimming sperm to live when you masturbate.
	So it's like, at what point do you draw the line?
	You can draw any line arbitrarily.
	You know, you can draw your line.
	I draw my line.
	What's wrong with that?
	Let me ask you a question.
	What do you think was worse?
	Let's say, and it's not.
	Let's say abortion was just 100% banned in this country.
	What do you think is worse?
	A ban on abortion or the current state of affairs when it comes to forced military conscription and men?
	Like I said, everything exists in a context.
	No, just tell me it's worse.
	Tell me it's worse.
	Why?
	Why are you forcing me to tell you something I don't believe in?
	That's what you literally were arguing.
	Do not scream at yourself.
	I'm saying these two are different.
	So you're not answering my like, there's not a single organ we're like forcing you to take out.
	Oh, if you get drafted into the military, they shoot your organs.
	It's like law order.
	You do not have a choice.
	They shoot you.
	What do you think they're shooting?
	Your hair extensions?
	Yeah, man.
	Calm down.
	Yeah.
	How about just don't force the men?
	Like, then you can, like, it goes the other way around as well.
	I know.
	Everyone wants to do that.
	But I still think that's a good thing.
	Then we would die as a country, though.
	Yeah, I know, and that sucks.
	And that's why they make them.
	How about this?
	Should women be drafted?
	I mean, if they're able to fight, I guess.
	Like, I mean, like, listen, like, I'm like, I'm a little girl.
	Like, I can, I work out, but I don't really think I could do that many push-ups and do the same, do as good as a man, probably, or the average man.
	But, sure.
	But you want to be equipped.
	Sure, if you want to be the same estimate, you want the same rights.
	But when the war breaks out, you want to stand in the kitchen.
	No, I'm not.
	I'm going to listen until war comes.
	Yeah, honestly, like, oh no, I'm tired.
	That would be a good idea.
	I think full female units would be an interesting thing because you talk about wartime, right?
	And a 200-pound man and a hundred-pound girl deployed, is she going to be able to drag him?
	Who cares?
	All females.
	Women be able to volunteer for the military and get the same exact fucking pay as their male counterparts who are putting in more physical work in the Netherlands.
	and get paid the same amount of money donated two hundred dollars brian if you can you should have your assistant pull up the bilber cake batter comparison to abortion It's on YouTube.
	I don't know if it's a Netflix.
	Netflix will copyright anything because it's probably a Netflix stand-up, so we can't do it.
	But Big Sass Energy, I really appreciate that, man.
	But all of you are probably fine with women volunteering for the military.
	Women should be bought.
	Okay, women should be from volunteering.
	I mean, if you want to, I mean, if you want to say, like, that you're saying, like, women should be, like, have to sign up for the draft and stuff.
	No, no, no.
	So, okay.
	So, currently, women can volunteer to be part of the military.
	Can't anyone volunteer?
	Well, yeah, men and women can volunteer.
	Only men can be forced through the draft.
	Then, if that, you know, if women are allowed to get abortions and you force the women to also sign up, then sure.
	In the Netherlands, when you are 16 years old, men and women, you get a letter at home that you have to go to war if the war breaks out.
	Men and women.
	There's no choice.
	You want to be equal as a woman?
	Better.
	You fight as a man then.
	Shut up.
	You cannot stand in the kitchen and be stupid.
	You know, if they want to stop complaining about the abortion stuff and you just got to sign up for the draft, sure.
	I think women should be allowed to have abortions, though.
	Okay.
	But I'm just a little confused because you said, well, I wouldn't like, oh, aren't men stronger?
	in like yeah i mean don't they disqualify people for like certain things like if you're like no they allow women to volunteer They lower the standards.
	But they're different from the future.
	Yeah, so I guess they lower the standards.
	Yeah, they actually have smaller, lower fitness.
	But they get paid the exact same thing.
	I guess if they get, well, that's not my fault.
	I'm not six feet tall.
	unfair i mean it sucks that i'm not a six foot tall buff like muscle mommy but like i can't change that It's just interesting.
	Women should be allowed to volunteer for the military and they should be paid just the same as men, but also men make for better soldiers, but they shouldn't be paid the same.
	And also, I don't think I should be drafted.
	If they're mom being forced to be in the draft either, then what's that?
	Weaker men shouldn't be paid as much either.
	And what makes a man weaker?
	Like, what we're saying is that about women, weaker, like labor.
	But he's still men.
	You can, like, force me to sign up, but they have the advantage of just being a man.
	Yes.
	Like, you can force me to sign up if you want, but like, it's not my fault.
	I'm not a six-foot-tall buffammy.
	I just think, last thing on the whole child support thing, bringing it back a little bit here.
	I just think it's crazy that the same arguments, like, for example, let's say, let me frame it like this.
	For those of you who said men should pay child support, whatever.
	A guy comes to you and he's like, ah, yeah, I don't want to pay child support, didn't want to have a kid.
	What would you, but hey, with the current state of affairs?
	So you could say, well, it should be this way.
	But the current state of affairs is if a guy hooks up with a girl, she has a kid, she decides to keep the kid, she can, and most often will, force him to pay child support through the court system.
	So we can talk about what should be, what, you know, future down the road, but that's how it is right now.
	So if a guy were to come to you and like your brother, your male friend, and he's like, man, I hate paying these child supports.
	I hate paying this child support.
	It really sucks.
	What would you say to him?
	I would.
	Tough.
	Shouldn't have done that.
	No, I have no reason to like.
	I don't like think that men, I'm not like, yeah, you better pay, buddy.
	Like, I think, I mean, I would comfort like my brother if he's like upset about something.
	So, yeah, I would.
	But, I mean, you can't really offer him anything aside from just what?
	Like, oh, you shouldn't have done that.
	Like, offer advice for the money.
	So, there's nothing he can do about it.
	Yeah.
	He can't escape his responsibility.
	So, you would, you really, the only thing you can say is you shouldn't have done that.
	Well, if I were to give advice, I mean, yeah, but like, there's kind of no point in saying that it's already done.
	Right, but it's interesting.
	The same arguments: if a woman was like wanting to get an abortion and we said, well, tough, you shouldn't have done that.
	You're going to have to deal with the ramifications.
	Women can always escape.
	In most states in this country, women can just, you know, look, you can go to a different state, get abortion in a different state.
	Women can always escape their responsibility when it comes to this topic.
	Men can never escape their responsibility.
	I disagree.
	That's equivalent.
	That's a fact, though.
	That's a fact.
	No, I don't think that paying child support is like the same is not, it's not.
	My body, my choice.
	Yeah, because it's literally carrying a baby.
	No, my body, my choice.
	So what about these men who are going to have for 18 years a lower standard of life?
	Let's say they have to physically labor.
	Most men are, a lot of men are in construction work.
	What if a man, in an effort to not have his life financially fucked, works an extra 10 hours a week, and then it just further breaks down his body over the 20 years that he's doing some construction job?
	That's his body.
	Like I said before, I don't, I wouldn't value all of that.
	I wouldn't, oh my God, I wouldn't make that rule.
	That's not my.
	But that's how it is.
	So we're out of time.
	Okay, I disagree with it.
	If you take away child support, then there's no ramifications.
	I don't hold that value, so you can't make the, you can't like say that because the law exists, that that's my logic.
	It's not my logic.
	That's the thing.
	I'm just saying, then, you're like downplaying, downplaying the serious impact that it could have on a man's life.
	You don't think there's an impact it could have on my life?
	You're saying, well, the woman has to carry the child for nine months.
	Well, I'm not saying that about child support.
	I'm saying that about abortion.
	I think what you are saying is like if a woman cannot pay for it, she can abort the child because he will be in a horrible situation.
	She cannot pay for it.
	It will be horrible for the child.
	But if the man cannot pay for it, it's the same thing.
	Yeah.
	So you want to be equal?
	But only for a woman again?
	That's kind of horrible.
	No, I agree with you that men shouldn't have to pay child support if they can't afford it.
	But can he then make the decision to lose the child?
	Because nobody can pay for it then.
	So are you really pro-life if nobody can pay for the child?
	Am I really?
	I don't understand.
	If the man cannot pay for the child, the woman cannot pay for the child.
	Would you keep the child then?
	Because, well, if no one wants to abort the child, like how about this?
	Let me ask you a question.
	I think this will make things a little easier.
	A really rich woman gets pregnant, and her only objection is she just doesn't want to have the kid.
	Can she get an abortion?
	I personally think that that's not a good reason, but I, oh, because I wouldn't do it myself just because I don't want to.
	Like, I personally.
	No, she doesn't feel like she's ready.
	She's financially fine.
	She just has a general feeling like she doesn't want to have the kid.
	Yeah, I think that the result of that would be the.
	I mean.
	Would you bar women who have that view from getting abortions?
	No, I would.
	I think you should have the right to do that.
	Okay.
	So then a rich man who can afford to support, pay child support, but he just doesn't want to.
	Should he be able to escape his duty and responsibility of having to pay child support?
	If he has a genuine reason, like the woman, if he wants to go to court and debate it, then that's fine, I think.
	What do you mean?
	If he.
	Okay, but so you're saying if he wants to go to court and debate it, what should the court do?
	The court should make a just decision and say you have to pay child support or not.
	So what should the court do in that situation?
	It's literally an imaginary court introduced to the power of the children's.
	I'm saying I disagree that men should have to pay child support.
	So what should the court do?
	I think you're saying how would they evaluate whether a man should or not?
	No, no, no, no.
	Hold on.
	Let's rewind.
	Let's rewind.
	You said a scenario in which it would be okay for a guy to escape his responsibility of having to pay child support would be if he doesn't have money.
	That would be one example, yeah.
	Right.
	Okay.
	But then I said, well, okay, let's talk about if it's a rich woman.
	You said that's not justification.
	A rich woman who just doesn't want to have a kid, that's not justification for her being allowed to have an abortion.
	Now we're giving the counter example of a rich man, he can pay child support.
	He just doesn't think it's fair and he doesn't want to.
	I think he should have the right to go to a courthouse and like sue the.
	I think he has the right to like sue and say, I don't want to pay child support.
	No, but that's not how it works.
	The woman, okay, here's how it would work.
	The woman wants child support from him.
	She goes to the court and says, I want child support.
	Are you following here?
	Why would I want to say that?
	Hold on.
	Let me try to get away here, please.
	So, men don't like proactively go to a court and say, I don't want that, never happens.
	Yeah, because it's the law.
	Like you said, I'm saying if I made the law, because I fundamentally disagree that menu.
	So, what would be the law?
	Okay, the law that would determine if you should or should not pay child support.
	Yes, what would be the circumstances?
	Is if it is not feasible for the man to pay it.
	If it's like if the woman can, if the woman doesn't need it, basically, or if the man can't pay it, then you shouldn't go into debt.
	Let's assume that the woman does need it.
	Okay.
	Let's assume the woman needs it and the man is rich, but he just doesn't want.
	He had a one-night stand with her.
	He had no intention of having a kid.
	She decided to keep the baby.
	He has the, I don't think, I think it's.
	But she, there's now a kid that exists that conceivably takes money to take care of a kid.
	She doesn't have the money.
	So, what's your question?
	You know, next subject.
	Because it is over.
	Hold on.
	I feel like we're almost there.
	I feel like you're trying to call out.
	I believe in democracy.
	I think she has.
	Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on.
	So, should what would be, you're the judge, you passed the law.
	Should the man have to pay child support?
	If he's really doesn't want to.
	So, as I've said many times, it should default to you pay child support.
	Otherwise, if you don't want to pay child support, I believe that you should legally be able to, as a man, like sue the woman and make your case that you shouldn't have to pay child support.
	I think it should be like in that system, they would discriminate against poor people.
	Only rich men would be able to.
	I think what she's saying is that a man should also have a choice.
	You're making a clear point.
	I think what we're getting at here is that in a world where women have the right to an abortion for any reason, men should have a corresponding right to have a legal paternal surrender where they don't have to pay child support.
	Okay, I will actually say that I don't really, like, I don't really feel like men, I don't genuinely feel like men should have to like pay child support.
	I don't have strong feelings about that.
	So, so I'm going to say if that's what it takes for like abortion rights to be legal, like more like and have an even playing field, I'm fine.
	Like, I will agree that you that men don't have to pay child support.
	Can I say something?
	Okay, so you will acknowledge, though, that there are that women are able to get abortions, but in every single state in this country, men are forced to pay child support.
	Do you think that that's wrong?
	The law as it currently is, not what should be, what is.
	You think it's wrong that men should pay child support?
	Yes, and have no escape from it.
	Yeah, I think that's wrong.
	Okay, all right.
	What's like crazy about that?
	Can we go to her seconds?
	I'm okay with us moving from the topic.
	Oh, I'm ready to move.
	We do have one other note from the man.
	I should move on.
	Okay, you're a comedian, right?
	Get me free.
	Ain't no funny about this, we hope.
	No, no, no.
	Do we get like free tickets to your next show?
	Because you're probably going to talk shit about this.
	Oh, no.
	Do we get free tickets?
	No, I don't want to talk about this.
	So you said, You said this was a disagreement, women's rights being made up?
	That was something that I saw Andrew speak on.
	So I don't know if he referencing the idea that women's rights are fake because they're only given by men?
	Yeah, because of the whole thing.
	Yeah, yeah.
	In the world, you know, the strongest people make all the rules.
	And so if the strong people make the rules that women have rights and then they enforce them legally through violence, then the only reason women have rights is because men use violence to make sure women have rights.
	Yeah, so I hear that.
	No, yeah.
	And I disagree.
	What I disagree on is women make every human being.
	So wouldn't you eternally owe homage to your mother?
	I mean, you can't.
	We do not make children.
	You need sperm for that right.
	You know what?
	You're saying because men can physically dominate women, but women don't naturally have rights.
	Men also dominate each other.
	We don't naturally have.
	A lot of women are dominatrix as well, right?
	We like this fun.
	So I think that most men have love for their mothers, but I don't think that actually addresses the argument if, like, for example, let's say a group of men decided that tomorrow, and this played out recently in Afghanistan, essentially.
	They decide tomorrow, we don't like feminism.
	We don't believe that women should have rights.
	What would actually stop them from doing that?
	Like, nothing would stop them from doing it.
	So you agree with Andrew then?
	I don't agree that women's rights are made up.
	Well, they're not made up.
	He doesn't even believe in rights.
	Because if they can be taken away from you, are they actually rights?
	He's much better at arguing this than I am, though.
	I'm just kind of playing out.
	The idea isn't that it's some smarmy, like, ooh, women wouldn't have anything if it wasn't for men because our society is a collaboration and women are an inseparable part of that.
	Like, you're so important.
	Literally, what's the point of life if there are no women?
	For me, I don't know.
	But, like, the idea is that you have rights in a Western society because Western men with rifles make sure you do.
	If we go to Saudi Arabia and we want women to have rights, who do we ask to give those rights to women?
	Thank you, men's.
	Yeah.
	You have to ask the men to give them the rights.
	If we go to Afghanistan and we say, Taliban, please can women start going to school?
	Who are the people that are going to make sure women get to go to school?
	The government, which is mostly made up of men.
	There you go.
	And governments only exist because rough men with rifles decide they do.
	Women can, there can be, you know, women-led societies.
	It's possible.
	It's not what.
	I've never been a menu.
	I would love to.
	I mean, women can lead societies, but even the women who are the most powerful are incredibly rough and warlike.
	Like Margaret Thatcher, one of the most famous female politicians of all time.
	She, what, was the prime minister of England?
	Didn't she attack a South American country?
	Argentina.
	That's right.
	Like full on.
	So anyway, all of our rights, mine too.
	I only get my rights because someone with a rifle told someone else, I will kill you if you don't let this guy drive a car.
	And that's my point.
	When it comes to the point, we need a man to protect us, right?
	You guys are saying lies because in China, the only woman empire, that was the most prosperous dynasty among like many dynasties.
	So it's like who enforced her laws and rules?
	She did.
	Yeah, and who executed her laws?
	Her queen's guard was a bunch of women, or was it men protecting her?
	Well, women are doing some hard labor, sure.
	The men got out on the street forcing her laws, right?
	If people do not obey her laws, who fixed it for her?
	Yeah, I think men fixed it for her.
	They're the little soldiers.
	Yeah, they're like the men fixed it for her.
	But she only has the power because the men back her.
	That's because at that dynasty, you have to, but that's the thing.
	You still need men.
	You still need men.
	But who would?
	It doesn't matter.
	Like, that's world history.
	That's like, you try to make so many parades, it was for her.
	Okay, she probably had to, she would always have to appeal to men to enforce.
	Men are the enforcement arm of society and government.
	That's only because men were enforcing at the beginning.
	Men are still the enforcement arm of society.
	It's about power.
	It's about physical strength.
	That's how it works.
	Okay, wait.
	Hold on, quick question.
	Hold on, going around the table.
	Who's physically stronger, men or women?
	I think on average, men, yeah.
	Men.
	That has nothing to do with it.
	I don't think anybody disagrees with that.
	I know.
	What single person sitting at this table?
	I think.
	No, but so you brought up the disagreement.
	You said women's rights being made up.
	So I think Andrew actually says that all rights are made up.
	Yeah, I mean, he's right.
	It's just like, I don't even know, like, if he's not making a jab at specifically women's rights and women thinking they should have rights.
	Like, if it's not that, I have no idea what he's saying.
	It's absolutely not a jab at women.
	It just seems like it is because it's an icky thing to think about.
	The idea is that women want rights and women resent men, but women only have rights because of men.
	So your fallacy when you're like, ah, I hate men, it's like, well, you only get to hate men because we let you.
	And it's not like a we thing.
	I obviously don't enforce any of this.
	And most men aren't thinking about it in those ways.
	But the people who enforce the laws use violence.
	And violence is the tool of the government and men use it.
	It's the same with the war, right?
	The men should go to war because they are men.
	But we want to have rights.
	And who executes the right?
	Men.
	So we should be thinking on our knees, thank you, man.
	Thank you.
	Oh, I don't know why.
	I'm a comedian.
	I cannot do my husband.
	So next thing, you said men's body count and women's body count don't have different value.
	Otherwise, that's a double standard.
	Yeah.
	Do you want to elaborate a little more?
	Sure.
	So I think if a man has a body count of 50, it's not morally better than if a woman has a body count of 50.
	It's not morally better.
	So you're saying society doesn't judge a man the same way that they would a woman?
	No, I'm saying like I don't know if like you actually disagree with this, but in terms of morality, I would say yes, it's equally immoral.
	Yeah, yeah, that's what I would say.
	It's immoral, but the consequences of a man sleeping with a lot of women is different from a woman sleeping with a lot of men because if she prefers men and wants to date them, then men on average have certain preferences on how they would like their women to have behaved in the past so they can make educated decisions on if they want to be with them or not.
	It's that like, what's that thing people, everyone says is sexist.
	If you're going to hire someone for a job, do you want someone who's had 200 jobs for one month each or a person who had two jobs for five years each?
	Right.
	I will look at their talent and how they answer the question of their previous work experience.
	Well, sir.
	I will look at their actual talent and how they answer the interview question instead of look at how many jobs they had in the past.
	Like, are you interviewing?
	If a woman fucks 500 men, she is a better talent at making children.
	Well, I'm not talking about that.
	Like, it's not related.
	I don't know what just happened.
	I think it's a question of loyalty, right?
	I don't really think that this conversation really has so much to do about morals, really.
	I think it has to do with kind of more the dating dynamics here.
	So, I think maybe more so what you're getting at is, well, men are, it's impressive if a man sleeps with a lot of women, but women are shamed if they sleep with a lot of men.
	Is that kind of your angle here?
	Well, I think that's true.
	Yeah.
	I mean, maybe, but that's because if you prefer men, men on average prefer women who have not behaved in that way because that's just a preference most men have the same way women have a preference for taller men.
	It's like an innate thing that just is like something you're attracted to or a red flag you naturally look out for.
	Yeah, I actually don't like have like, I actually don't believe that your body count, like it's good to have like a body count of like 100.
	I just think that like men and women should be equally judged.
	Like, I don't think it's different between men and women.
	I disagree with you there.
	Okay.
	I kind of disagree.
	Well, I mean, look, I don't think promiscuity in men is a good thing, but it's definitely different.
	And it's actually women's own, the way women will select men is way different here.
	So, like, it's not clear to me, for example, if like a really successful guy, if a girl knows like high status, could be a celebrity athlete, rapper, whatever, a girl will even know that he's a fucking slut and still want him.
	But if a guy knows that the chick's a slut, it's gonna, men are more likely to have a disgust response by that.
	Yeah, I think men have a different, like, kind of like maybe biological even like response to.
	Yeah, yes, I agree.
	I also think that if you're, if, I think most women do excuse a high body count.
	Most of you simply don't care.
	And so it's incredibly frustrating when you give men grace and you're like, well, I like you anyway.
	And he's like, oh, well, this really bothers me.
	But it's not a conscious decision.
	Very few men are like, I'm going to choose specifically to dislike women who have been with lots of men.
	Because how many, well, maybe, yeah.
	I don't.
	It's just an innate thing in me where I feel grossed out by it.
	And I can't really explain it.
	I don't know.
	And maybe it's bad and I should, whatever.
	It doesn't.
	Listen, a woman who has a high body count can be an excellent partner.
	It could not affect her, her worth in the totality of her life.
	People can change.
	People can be redeemed.
	I believe this wholeheartedly.
	But also, if you're a man and you can be with a woman who hasn't been with 50 people or slept with some of your friends, or you can be with someone who's only been with a couple people, of course you're going to choose the other person.
	Sure, I have no objection to men having those preferences.
	I just think if you're going to talk about it morally, that's when I think it should be talking.
	I would agree with you, but I don't think most people are talking about it morally because most people are totally okay with hookup culture.
	So I would talk about it morally because I'm religious, but I don't think Brian would talk about it morally.
	I think Brian's worried about the specific things that are innate in a woman who would sleep with lots of people or the character traits.
	Or maybe, you know, it's embarrassing, it's humiliating, it's scary because she might have problems, she might cheat on you.
	You know, there's a bunch of reasons you wouldn't want to, she might sleep with people you know, now you have to see them all the time.
	You don't want to have a baby with someone like it's hard, you know.
	As a guy, that's a frustration.
	I think it's a little bit of an insecurity thing, I'm not going to lie.
	I think that personally, I like men that have a high body count.
	I do not, they're experienced, I do not care.
	And honestly, I like, I like that.
	And so, to me, a lot of the time I feel like men, when they say, like, I think it's because their fear that, oh, this girl's been with, maybe she's been with one guy.
	Okay, so I'm more likely to be the best she's had.
	She's not experienced.
	She knows, she does not know anything different.
	So if like they could be subpar and seem like the best thing ever because they are the best thing they've experienced.
	And I think a lot of the time men sometimes have, they don't like the women with the high body counts because they feel inadequate.
	Do you, I mean, yeah, sure.
	Do you, if someone, if something someone did made you feel inadequate naturally, then you wouldn't want to be with them.
	Yes, but I think that men need to work on their own insecurities.
	More women should just not be sluts.
	Listen, I do content creation.
	I'm very objectifying terms.
	I'm a very loyal person.
	That's a negative connotation.
	Yeah, it's a bad thing to fuck 100 men.
	I'm a ride or die girl.
	Oh, is that a girl?
	That's offensive.
	You cannot say that.
	I can't.
	No.
	You go, girl.
	You go fuck 100%.
	No, no, I'm not.
	I'm not a hundred woman.
	Actually, I'm not going to.
	You literally do.
	Listen, you can call me a slut in colour call you insult your baby.
	I encourage people to date, but I don't encourage people to have sex very quickly.
	That's my proposal.
	That's from my experience.
	Like I said, I have negative experience going into things too fast.
	So I'm always advocating women less physical sex.
	Wouldn't it be more like dick?
	Yeah, like more like other physical stuff, right?
	Measuring his dick with a spence on.
	That's normal.
	You don't fuck the guy, but you give 100 men DJs.
	Is that still problematic?
	Why do you have to be like 100 men?
	You should just let women explore to the extent they want.
	Why are you governing their actions?
	When women say explore and find themselves and go on journeys and adventures, Trent literally translates to get run through by a bunch of dudes.
	Why do you say that?
	Because when I go travel, when I go do things, all the things you listed has nothing to do with men.
	All the activity I do, 90% of them have to do with that.
	You literally said explore in the dating context.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Yeah, cool.
	Go fucking to fucking Paraguay.
	Don't give a fuck.
	And I didn't say, like, it has to be blowjob.
	You can't.
	Like, I have so many times I dated men for like three months.
	I didn't have anything with them.
	We had kids that made out.
	Like, so what?
	Just because that's not your reality.
	What's your dick?
	I think it's so hilarious.
	It's so hilarious.
	Total code.
	It's funny.
	So, okay, it's insecure if a man doesn't want to date a girl with a high body count.
	Yes.
	I mean, I think that, like, it makes them feel less special because it's like she's been with more people.
	What's wrong with that?
	Yeah, what is actually wrong with that?
	I mean, it's like, that's in the past, though.
	You know what I mean?
	Like, if they're just with you and they're committing to you, then that's all that should matter.
	I just don't understand.
	So then you're not the person.
	So I'm still sorry to cut you off.
	I didn't mean to do that.
	That's rude, but if you're saying that you're changed, then...
	I'm not changed.
	I, like, I'm...
	The thing is, I'm not interested in that.
	I mean, maybe if I'm committing to somebody that does also does content, then it's different for me because I could also still do that.
	But if I'm dating somebody that is like a normal person and I'm stopping, it's like, I'm not a cheater.
	Like, just because I have a lot of partners does not mean I'm a cheater and I'm a very loyal person.
	I'm a ride or die girl.
	They've literally done studies like the.
	Okay, well, that does not apply to me.
	And it does not apply to everyone.
	Well, but it might not apply to everyone, but it's still a factor that factors in.
	Well, I think the reason, like I said, it makes them feel a lot special.
	I think that's a little bit like you need to look inside yourself.
	Also, like, I mean, there's a whole bunch of negative ramifications.
	There's the increased risk of STDs.
	I get tested every two weeks, maybe.
	Yeah, cold.
	They don't test for herpes in the porn industry.
	Yeah, but most people have it.
	No, most people don't.
	Well, most people in the porn industry do have it.
	Okay, that's a lot of people.
	There's two types of herpes.
	There's like genital herpes, and then there's the one, the cold sores on your lips.
	Those are different.
	Yes.
	Most people, I don't want to have genital herpes.
	Sorry.
	But if you are in the porn industry, just like me, so I can talk about it.
	And you're very loyal and you're not.
	Giovanni Jay, you don't die.
	Exclusivity is inherently valuable.
	If 10 people got first place at the Olympics, it would be less prestigious.
	This is inherent.
	No different when it comes to who you let in you or put yourself in.
	I've never, I'm not dating everyone I've ever had sex with.
	True.
	So it's kind of different.
	You're a quick thing.
	Yeah, because we work in the porn industry.
	You say, I'm a ride or die.
	I'm very loyal.
	You have like one person in your mind, obviously, and that's a good thing.
	But if you're going to have like sex with another man, isn't that still cheating?
	Even if it's work or not.
	Well, if it's consensual, then it's not.
	Like, people have polyamorous relationships with them.
	Like an open relationship, then.
	We're open.
	So will you tell your guy, like, I would like an open relationship because of my work?
	Or how would you go with it?
	Because I'm curious for myself in the future.
	I don't know how to go about it.
	If I was to date somebody that does not do the content, probably the only way it would work is if I was to stop it and just film with them, because I don't think it's safe for them to continuously, because it would be fair for them to be able to go do stuff with other people.
	But will you stop making content with men if the Ottoman doesn't want you to?
	And he doesn't want to make content with you as well.
	He will say, do yourself, do your own thing on the movies, that's fine.
	But he finds it cheating if you do that with another man.
	Would you like do that?
	Well, with another man, if I would.
	No videos at all with another man.
	And not with him as well.
	I'm sorry, I have to move it on.
	I do have to move it on.
	That's very interesting.
	I do think, though, I mean, so you're saying body count doesn't matter.
	Men are insecure for it.
	If body count doesn't matter, what's your body count?
	I don't exactly know the exact number.
	So probably like, I think like 30-ish, which is very low for somebody that does porn.
	Considering four of those are from this week.
	You think it's 30?
	It's around there, I think.
	Between 30 to 40?
	Sure.
	Okay.
	Isis, what about you?
	You seem to agree with her that body count doesn't matter?
	What's your body count?
	I don't want to answer that.
	How about you give us a range?
	How about that?
	Instead of an actual number?
	Less than 10.
	Oh.
	You're a fucking liar.
	You're a fucking liar.
	Okay, go find every single guy I told in my story ever.
	I can tell you at which stage we dated till, and just because in your mind, you will think, I can't, you have that perception.
	You just like, you're thinking I'm a liar.
	That's exactly what I'm saying.
	Like, you don't believe when women tell you the truth because you can't understand there's a different perspective.
	You said your main priority is getting followers and orgasms.
	Yes.
	And you believe in like rotational dating.
	You've had multiple, like you've had rosters of men.
	That's what I'm currently believing in, right?
	I'm saying currently I only care about followers, no orgasms.
	So like I'm not really thinking about rotation, no guy.
	Like I'm thinking about going on dates that can find a husband as well as creating content.
	There's no way to verify what the truth is.
	Yeah, because you will always believe what you want to believe.
	Yeah, I just think, I mean, there's enough conduct on your socials and like your own.
	Yeah, that's your judgment because plenty of people don't think the way that you do.
	What do you want people to think about your content?
	I don't care what people think about my content.
	My goal has always, always been not to influence, but be authentic.
	Just to be clear, she grabs dudes' cocks within minutes of meeting them, but she claims to have a low body count.
	It doesn't really add up, you know?
	A lot of things don't add up because a person is very complex.
	Just because you're simple doesn't mean other people are simple, so don't project on me, okay?
	You get mad at me when I say grabbing dicks, but not at him.
	Why?
	Are you duo?
	I just don't understand what the point of your.
	So you make content and you don't care about how people perceive it.
	No, I don't.
	You have no stated goal when you post it.
	You don't have a way you want people to feel or think.
	I want people to feel.
	What do you want them to feel?
	Authenticity.
	Truth.
	My experience.
	My opinion.
	And your authentic truth is cat calling men and grabbing your opinion.
	No, that was the story.
	That was the thing that happened.
	I told a story online.
	And you put an subjective emotion on it.
	I only told you what happened.
	So I don't know.
	It's every story you tell on your TikTok.
	Is that the truth?
	I'm not going to tell you.
	You don't deserve for me to tell you that.
	No, no, but I think if you're making...
	It's all true.
	If it's about being authentic.
	No, Wait.
	But I think some people just tell stories because they are writing books and stuff.
	Maybe you are like making a beautiful story because you're going to write a book because you want to get famous, right?
	I didn't attack you or anything.
	So it's like every story you tell on the internet, the truth.
	Body count?
	It's a single digit.
	Less than 10.
	Three.
	Less than 10.
	Into the mic.
	Like less than 10.
	11.
	Oh, yes.
	Oh, I won't be saying at all.
	Oh, all right.
	Tell me why the rates as well.
	Full disclosure, I spent most of my life being incredibly promiscuous.
	You get judged by society because you live with society.
	If your partner loved to shit on the floor, but they always cleaned it up after, would you not judge them?
	Gross is gross.
	Gives me the ick.
	Thank you, framework engineer.
	Appreciate the TTS.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	Anyway, I was way into trying to be sex positive and all this other stuff when I was younger, and it was destroying my life.
	And over time, I became a different person, and now I deeply want to be that different person.
	It's difficult.
	I don't make the mark all the time.
	But yeah, again, earlier I said your body count doesn't affect your worth, but it does affect how people want to date you, and that's fair.
	So anyway, high body count.
	Sorry, everybody.
	Not going to talk about that.
	That's fine.
	That's fine.
	It's in the past.
	I am ashamed, though.
	No, no, it's bad.
	What about you?
	No, it's okay.
	One.
	One pound.
	That's great.
	Let's go, dog.
	That's great.
	Yeah, big dog.
	Raise the roof.
	Okay.
	All right.
	The roof is on fire.
	I do think one difference to Shane's point that he made earlier: I think a lot of women don't really care.
	Like, some women might have a preference for lack of promiscuity or low body count in men.
	But I think most women, like, don't really care when it comes to like a male right.
	But so there's asymmetry in what men and women like.
	Men tend to prefer women with a low body count.
	And I would honestly question, like, if a dude's like, if a dude looked at his girl and she like had a low body count, he's like, man, I really, I don't think any guy, absent cucks, have ever thought this.
	I really wish she had slept with more men before she met me.
	Thought no dude ever.
	Yeah, that's kind of like that.
	There's this perception that men want like porn star, crazy sex and stuff.
	And it's like, a man just wants someone who makes him feel safe.
	That's the reality of the situation.
	And feeling safe correlates to low body count.
	Well, that's because you're insecure.
	Oh, my goodness.
	I agree.
	Insecure.
	You know, next topic.
	Next topic.
	It's so funny, though.
	I mean, like.
	We're just going to talk in circles.
	On this topic.
	Yeah, that's why.
	Next topic.
	Sex is not this complicated procedure.
	And this is actually another differential between men and women because men typically tend to lead in the bedroom.
	So as a guy, if you're experienced and you know what you're doing.
	That's what we like.
	We like to be a guy and you know what you're doing, you can have amazing sex with a sexually inexperienced woman.
	It's not so clear to me if the opposite is always going to be true.
	Also, I would say like most men, I don't think, would have any problem if a woman's sexually inexperienced, like guiding her or like kind of leading her in the bedroom.
	I think a lot of women would be turned off by like having to teach a guy how to fuck her.
	True.
	I mean, yeah, women are having the worst sex ever statistically, right?
	They're not finishing.
	They're miserable.
	They're feeling awful.
	They dislike it.
	And it's because they don't want to coach men.
	No, but also, again, a lot of pressure on the men again, right?
	Because he cannot confess.
	He has to do this.
	He has to do that.
	He has to lead us to the bedroom.
	He has to be the man again.
	That's a lot of pressure.
	Sure.
	Again, for the man.
	Okay.
	Can you just say something?
	Go ahead.
	I think that a lot of issues, like something that's been brought up here is like women's declining mental health at a faster rate than men.
	And that's something that Andrew said.
	Sorry.
	But I think fertility as well has been on the decline.
	And I think it's not necessarily because I think the mental health is largely because of pesticides and the water.
	Sure.
	Okay.
	I think it's not feminism because that's what I think a lot of birth control has to do with a lot of it.
	Sure.
	Yeah, a lot of overtaking of hormonal.
	Hormonal birth control is just incredibly bad.
	It's damaging a woman, yes.
	Okay, so I'm going to try to blast through the notes.
	There's a lot.
	I'll try to be quick.
	Let's see.
	Dominica.
	Let's see.
	Did you, Isis?
	Did you say you were kind of against marriage?
	No.
	I said that it's most likely that marriage doesn't work, but I still want marriage.
	And you said monogamy isn't the natural order of things?
	Yeah, it's hard.
	Just scoot to the table for me.
	Sorry.
	Screw to the table.
	It's hard to scoot in.
	Yeah.
	Because it's really hard.
	So, I mean, Dominica, you got married to your high school sweetheart.
	You got married at 21.
	Do you feel like a lot of women judge you for getting married so young?
	Oh, for sure.
	Always.
	Family, too.
	But there's also people judging us for like not spinsters.
	You know, not marrying.
	Marrying or not wanting to not want to have kids.
	Dominica, in your pre-show notes, you said porn turns you into a serial killer.
	You wanted to talk about abortion, religion, conservatism, acceptance, liberal activism in school, spirituality.
	Can't talk about that one.
	Can't talk about that one.
	Not all men suck.
	Christianity acceptance.
	What makes you liberal, Republican?
	What is freedom of speech?
	So why don't we talk about porn turns you into a serial book killer?
	Oh my god.
	Go ahead.
	Let's talk about it.
	I remember I was listening actually to this, I guess, podcast, you could say.
	And I don't remember the guy's name.
	He's like the most well-known serial killer.
	His name's just the T. I'm glad you're in the middle of the Bundy.
	Yes.
	From Utah.
	Salt Lake City represent.
	Yes, that guy.
	He's actually a million porn.
	That's horrible because I don't know.
	I'm sorry.
	That's hilarious.
	You're a comedian.
	Dark Jack.
	I'm a porn star.
	May I ask?
	Are you what kind of Christian are you?
	Are you Mormon?
	Yeah, that's what I am.
	Okay.
	Nice.
	What does that mean, Mormon?
	What's this?
	Oh, I love the ballerina farm.
	I really love them.
	You love the ballerina farm?
	Their Mormon family.
	Oh, I think it's a little bit of a pork that you were trying to say.
	What is a Mormon?
	Can somebody explain that?
	Okay, I'll get to that in a second.
	But basically, so I was listening to this podcast thing, and there was this study done with these serial killers, and most of all, not most of all of them, but a good amount of them said that their leading thing was porn.
	So they started there, they started consuming it, and they just wanted more and more and more of it.
	And so the screen wasn't enough, and so they needed more kinky.
	Kinky wasn't enough, they needed something darker.
	And so I just think that's kind of crazy to me to hear that because that's just like I can answer that thing, I think, because I'm a porn star.
	A lot of kings come around because it's like a trigger.
	If you have a long-term partner, like my ex-partner, he has a lot of violently triggers as well.
	We use knives, tightening up everything.
	And I just got into a relationship with him in the first week.
	He was like, I'm gonna fucking knife you up.
	But it was never.
	It sounds crazy, I know, but it's like a trigger.
	And it's like, it's never enough.
	If you do not get that trigger, you will look for the trigger again.
	Look where it is.
	And that's why it's dangerous.
	Can we talk science here?
	I really, I'm really glad you brought up Ted Bundy because I watched so many documentaries on him, podcasts, and movie interpretations.
	You know, during the trial, people thought that he was watching looking at the porn magazine with grape that belonged to his grandfather.
	And people had a misconception.
	He grew up in a nice home.
	And people assume that, you know, they argue.
	The lawyer argued, yes, the porn.
	And Ted Bundy also said that himself.
	That might be a reason why he did all those things to women.
	However, I watched this documentary.
	Dr. Luis is on HBO.
	Dr. Louis actually did experiments with all the fifth row inmates in the maximum security prison.
	And what they have found in common is there's similar dark spots in their MRI in their frontal lobe.
	So there's actually physical damage to their brain.
	That's what made them think crazy things.
	So the things I say, they may say, oh, porn made me this way.
	They couldn't even think clearly.
	They're brain damaged.
	And yeah, so it's like you don't know what is the reason for that.
	I think what she is meaning is the trigger points with some people that you get from watching porn.
	It's like never enough.
	That's why you have so many kings, so many more kings joining.
	I'm a porn star.
	She's a porn star.
	We know about the kings.
	And it's like going more and more.
	It's getting progressively more violent over time.
	Like literally, every kid who is exposed to porn is almost instantaneously exposed to women being choked, hit, spit on.
	I think I also don't like porn.
	Want men to watch porn honestly, but I just want to disagree with the killer thing because I feel like.
	And also, there's one thing that Dr. Luis also said that's really interesting.
	Actually, he was aborted.
	Basically, his mom actually physically tried to abort him.
	That's why, but then it was unsuccessful.
	So, he had brain damage from that.
	And that's one suspicion that his frontal look isn't.
	That's why you shouldn't be aborting children.
	You know, even if the law bans it, even if the law bans it, there's gonna be women because they get pregnant unexpectedly, they would do it themselves at home.
	That caused a lot of danger.
	So, yeah, I'm for abortion.
	Do it correctly.
	Don't do a half-ass job.
	Don't scream.
	I'm sorry.
	All right, so we're gonna review some of the girls' dating app profiles.
	Starting off with hey, it's me.
	What happened?
	Oh, see?
	This is seeking arrangement.
	It's like a sugar daddy site.
	Are there prompts to it also?
	No, not really.
	Not a lot.
	Yeah.
	Have you read the top one?
	Okay, I do not do free dates or free get-to-know.
	What does that mean?
	What does that mean?
	I have to tell a little content about it because you just asked for a dating site.
	It's the one I have.
	When I was underage, I don't know if I could say that.
	I went on a sugar daddy site because we didn't have money and I was very hungry and I saw about it on social media and I was like, yeah, let's go on a paid date and get some food on the table.
	Sounds horrible, but it's just the way I did it.
	I'm not very active on the site anymore.
	I just have it because my social media grows.
	My media press.
	In the Netherlands, people will just pay like 200 Euros, but I never agreed with that.
	I would say like 750 Euros and above only to have dinner with me.
	What's the amount of money like the average guy makes an hour in the Netherlands?
	If you work like a full-time job, like 40 hours a week, in a month you'll get like 750 to 200, 2,500 Euros.
	Is that the only game we had to read?
	It's not a lot.
	Next, we have Lucy.
	Should we have her read this?
	Or give travel tips for Siberian wilderness retreat.
	Obviously, a joke.
	I was going to say the Trans-Siberian Railway rocks.
	I would be interested, though, actually, Lucy, Lucy.
	Yes.
	Would you guys swipe on bisexual queen?
	Now we have everything.
	Oh, yeah, that's my friend.
	Okay.
	Gorgeous friend.
	And we're being baddies in Vegas.
	I said, hope you like spicy brunettes.
	LOL.
	I have an unconventional job.
	You'll either love it or hate it.
	And so, at least you're up front.
	I don't want to say that because if you say that you do any kind of SW, they ban you.
	So you have to, like, but I obviously, like, you're, I'm not, like, I don't want to, like, lie to them.
	I don't even want to talk to somebody that's not interested in that.
	So if you're on, like, dating apps, you are, like, willing to date civilians, right?
	Yeah.
	But you would obviously disclose your gifts right away.
	Wait, a non-negotiable, something casual.
	Yeah, I don't do hookups.
	You don't have brown hair either.
	Oh, well, whatever.
	It may be been a little while since I updated it.
	I'm going to have to wait on that one when I come back.
	Okay.
	Good pictures, though.
	Thank you.
	Okay, wait.
	Go to streamlines.com.
	Hold on, I'll come back.
	Is there any more?
	I don't really use dating apps, though.
	I just haven't.
	Alright, guys, would you guys swipe right or left?
	What's for who?
	What's yes or no?
	I don't even know.
	For which woman, for which woman, what do you think?
	Jesus.
	You're not really.
	Wait, what's your name?
	Tamara.
	Tamara, you're not really my type.
	I like more like, like, you give in bisexual queen right here.
	That's all right.
	I would swipe for you, but not for you.
	You look like you would kill me.
	Do I?
	I don't know.
	You would look like you would just stab me in my sleep.
	I don't know.
	You're scary a little bit.
	You look too straight for me.
	But I'm not sure.
	I am straight.
	I'm not straight.
	That's the first time I've heard that.
	I do have a pretty nasty person.
	You said you wouldn't wait for sex, though.
	No, I would.
	If it's like somebody normal, I mean, honestly, like, if I meet somebody.
	Okay, you meet a guy on Bumble.
	Oh, no, I wouldn't.
	Yeah, I wouldn't.
	But it obviously.
	I wouldn't do that on the first date.
	Second date?
	Sure.
	If I get to know them, and I feel like it could maybe go somewhere, sure.
	Okay.
	I don't want to just get used, though.
	I'm not really down with the.
	I don't really get anything out of casual sex.
	Okay, but you're not like, hey, I want to wait 10 dates.
	No.
	All right.
	I don't really have an argument.
	I can sense it out.
	I would have an argument if you're like, well, yeah, I want to wait 10 days, but you also do porn.
	I feel like that would be kind of arbitrary.
	Like, I'm interested in dating people who also do content, but the thing is, it is kind of weird because your first interaction a lot of the time when you meet is like you're filming with them.
	But like, you can still get a sense of their personality and if you vibe with each other.
	All right.
	And then Tamara, I have.
	You do.
	I saw something, $1,500 meet and greet.
	What?
	So, like, if a guy asks you, when can we meet?
	You'll say $1,500.
	Oh, you mean a quote I reposted on my Instagram?
	Yeah, I read that.
	It's not written by me.
	It's just a quote.
	I thought it was funny.
	But if anybody wants to, I'm the Dutch Jessica Rabbit on Instagram.
	Hit me up.
	I'm here.
	No, no, no, kidding.
	But it's.
	You know what?
	When I didn't have money, I was hungry.
	I did that.
	But I never really had sex with one of my dads.
	At one time, it was just lonely men wanted to have dinner.
	And I'm always a little bit scared of mine as well.
	I don't know.
	I'm in the porn industry, but I'm also a little bit scared of mine.
	I don't know why.
	You said you do not really date.
	You also never had a one-night stand or anything.
	No.
	Never had a one-night stand?
	Never.
	And that's maybe I get her point a little bit.
	You make an assumption because of the job and everything.
	Yeah.
	But maybe I got into porn a little bit because I have a little bit of sexual problems myself.
	You hear that a lot, right?
	People getting in the industry because sometimes they get exalted and they want to feel their power back.
	So they get in the industry and like expose.
	Not to harm you with your result or anything.
	I didn't mean that.
	No, it's fine.
	But like my.
	How do you take that?
	When somebody takes your virginity, how do you call it?
	Yeah.
	Just take my virginity.
	This is what it's called.
	I don't think there's a specific term for it.
	It was a very funny way of doing that.
	And every time I had some comments when he did that, he was like, oh, you're too wet.
	You have to go to the toilet.
	So I went to the toilet every time.
	Then I had to go.
	But you to what?
	You know, all right, well, when I got my virginity taken away from me, I laughed at that guy and he walked away.
	That was the first experience.
	Then I had the second guy.
	And, you know, I was like, okay, now I'm really, ready.
	Like, let's go.
	Okay.
	And you get wet down there.
	I don't know.
	I was quite older when I got my virginity.
	There's no such thing, at least from the guy.
	Yeah, but for me.
	Like, you're too wet.
	I didn't know.
	That's good.
	Yeah, that would be a good thing.
	That's a good thing.
	No, there's not enough friction sometimes.
	Like, it's just too, like, feels like nothing.
	It's just a little bit more.
	Now I know that.
	But I was like 18, 19 years old.
	I was a little bit older when they took my virginity photos.
	But he also said, oh, you have to go to the toilet.
	You have to wipe it away before we do sex.
	So you get, before you get to bed with him, you would just think, oh gosh, I need to wipe it away.
	And you go to think.
	Normally, when you have sex with somebody, your brain goes off.
	You go into the tunnel fishing.
	Oh, my God, I love you so much.
	Let's do this.
	And then I had the next guy, and that was something else.
	He was like, oh, your nipple gets too hard.
	Oh, do not talk, do not speak.
	Oh, your eyes are rolling back a little bit.
	So every time.
	No, but you get to think.
	So I never had an orgasm.
	I never had anything like that.
	So then I got like a normal relationship.
	He didn't care.
	He was like, well, that's fuck.
	I love you.
	I don't care what you do.
	But then you'd think too much because you think, oh my God, I need to go to the toilet.
	I need to do everything.
	So I didn't feel one with my own.
	I've never asked a girl to like, you're too wet.
	That's so crazy.
	If you're dating someone and you're going to be intimate with them and you're eating your head, stop dating.
	That is why I never have a one-out ten.
	I've never been on Riddle Tinder.
	I just started Tinder this year.
	Maybe I'm a little bit not scared.
	It's not a good word.
	It's not like I'm scared of men, but I'm just scared sometimes.
	Like, what if I do anything wrong?
	And if I make my own movies, I'm like in control.
	I do not have an orgasm at all when I make my own movies.
	I'm still like, if I have an orgasm, I lose control.
	That's like a normal thing, right?
	You lose it.
	You shut your brain up.
	But I get scared because everything in my mind is going like, oh my god, what if I make a sound?
	What if my eyes turn?
	And what if I just get this real scary feeling and I just need a man to be like, I'm gonna push you through it?
	I'm gonna hold you down.
	And just like, maybe like raping is not a good word, but be dominant about it so I get over that feeling.
	And that's hard to explain to me.
	I'm gonna read a chat here.
	I do not feel one with my.
	I don't know.
	If I have a man who's like, I'm sorry, I have to read this.
	A guy bangs a chick, has entered a contract to possibly pay for the child.
	He's equally liable for the kid.
	And yes, a woman can get an abortion for any reason.
	And a guy has no say, period, her choice.
	All right.
	Wait, so are you like saying that's how it is or that that is how it is?
	But are you saying like that's how it that's good?
	Is that a statement of support?
	I can't tell.
	Yeah, that's a good, that's a good framing on that.
	How about we not start this again?
	Yeah, never.
	It came in like took me a while.
	Truly though.
	So either way to get back, I had my last action.
	He was very dominant and I didn't want to hurt his feelings.
	And I said, oh my god, I had my third orgasm, but I did not because I was still in my mind like, oh my god, what if I do anything wrong?
	So for me, making the content and the videos was getting a little bit control back in my mind and my body.
	It's a very wrong way, maybe, but it's my way.
	And that's why I do not make movies with people because I'm like, I just want to say I'm so sorry for you.
	Oh, I'm not.
	I'm okay with it.
	It was quite funny.
	I love about it.
	I do not feel I do not need Terrabury.
	So you said, what can we do as women to stop men from getting in their woman era?
	What?
	These are your notes.
	What can we do as women to stop men getting in their women era?
	Yes.
	That's maybe a Netherlands thing.
	I don't know how it is here.
	Like the sassy male apocalypse?
	Yes.
	Is that what you call it?
	A lot of men are wearing like makeup, doing their nails.
	And it's not.
	I do not care if a man wants to take care of himself, look good, smell good.
	I don't know, anything.
	But I think as a man, they still want a woman.
	And as a woman, we still, in the back of our minds, want a man that we can run to for safety and all the discussion we had.
	And a lot of men are in their feminine era.
	How can I find a manly man if every man I meet is like, oh my god, girl, how are you?
	I'm like, dude.
	And he's like a very bodybuilder man.
	I'm thinking, oh my god, it's the man.
	He's tattooed, he's everything.
	And he's like, girl, are you?
	Let's go to the nail salon together.
	I'm like, dude.
	Yeah, it's like the main equinox.
	They're all like kind of.
	And I do not really like that.
	It's nothing.
	I do not have anything against being gay or anything, but it's like, I want a man.
	Where do I find in this age?
	Where do I find a man?
	Do you correlate to your lifestyle and the people you spend time with and the places you go?
	No, I'm an introvert.
	I'm always at home.
	I do not go out.
	I do not go to festivals.
	I do not, I'm at home eating pickles with my father.
	Are you feminine men showing up to eat pickles with you?
	How are you meeting them?
	I never meet, I just probably need a man to be on the doorstep with a box of pickles.
	I don't know.
	But I don't, every time I meet a man, that's why I'm first on Cinder for this year.
	It's very scary for me as well.
	I meet a man, I'm meeting them or seeing them walking in the supermarket.
	I'm like, are you really like straight or are you gay?
	Because, and then they are straight, but dressing so gay.
	And I'm like, okay, there's nothing wrong with it, but I just want to, I want a man.
	I want a man with hair on his legs and would fight that bear for me in the forest.
	This is a common problem modern women are having where everyone's like, oh, I really like this.
	And then they get older and then they're like, where's an actual man to date me?
	And you're like, well, but the women are giving, giving themselves away to like the Hassan Piker types with their nails.
	I get loving when they're goofy as well.
	That's everybody's.
	Did you have me with Hassan?
	I don't know.
	I just think he's goofy.
	You know, I get your point of view.
	It's not for everybody saying, but for me, I just want a man and I cannot blame the men.
	If you, I'm very honest.
	If you look at my Instagram, you know, I make content.
	I cannot blame a man for not taking me seriously.
	Like, oh my god, this woman is probably one I'd stand.
	And then they meet me and they're like, oh, you're quite reserved.
	You also go to church.
	I don't know what the fuck is this?
	I understand.
	You go to church?
	I just started as you with Christian Yanity.
	What church under?
	Yeah, it's in the Netherlands.
	It's Einstein.
	It's a Christian.
	I don't know how you call it anymore.
	Okay, well, good for you.
	Keep going.
	I just started that as well.
	And I know the content thing is not really part of it.
	I'm working on it.
	But I'm learning a lot.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Keep learning.
	And in the Netherlands, yeah, faith is not really a big thing anymore.
	It's very Muslim country at the moment.
	But that's not the point.
	But where do I find a real man?
	And I cannot blame the men for looking at my Instagram account page for thinking, you know, I cannot take this lady seriously because she makes content.
	She's not going to be a little bit more serious.
	Not in the city.
	They are not.
	I do not live in the city.
	I live in the village.
	I live in the hood.
	Well, you need to not be in the Netherlands, apparently.
	Yeah, I've been to a medium as well.
	You say, oh, he lives not in the Netherlands.
	But where do I find Wyoming?
	Go to Wyoming.
	Go to Wyoming.
	You'll find them.
	Are you there?
	No.
	I'm in Utah.
	But Utah, Wyoming, Montana, it's all the same place.
	But either way, where I cannot blame the man for looking at my page and everything.
	I cannot blame them, right?
	But where do I find a man that's like, you know what?
	I'm still a man.
	Also, you want to go to the places that those manly men would usually like be manly at.
	Yeah.
	You know, and so I feel like church is one of those things.
	Typically, not always, but church, Bass Pro shops, the thing is that in the city, women prefer men who paint their nails and do all that kind of stuff.
	And that's what gets you laid.
	And so all the men are trying to do that.
	And then you're like, well, where are the manly men?
	And they're in a place where women don't prefer that.
	So you need to go find women who don't like that and hang out with them.
	My friends do have that sort of men, but I cannot, I just want to be like a woman.
	I want to be at home cooking for you, get you a fresh meal, take care of the house.
	A man doesn't have to lift a finger in my household.
	It's not his job, in my opinion.
	Well, I think you're probably going to get some DMs.
	That's just like a rabbit on Instagram.
	You have a double problem here.
	So the first thing is, yes, there's probably a decrease in the amount of these men that you would deem to be a bit more like traditionally masculine.
	But the other problem is, even if you do find this sort of men, the traditionally masculine men are probably going to have an issue.
	I'm not saying this to attack you, but they are probably going to have an issue with the concept.
	And I do not blame them.
	Like being a sex worker.
	I do not blame them.
	That's why I cannot blame them because I was a lingerie model first and they already judged you.
	I didn't do anything.
	And then I started my pay.
	I cannot blame them for it.
	But you still, I mean, as a woman, you still find those kinds of men attractive.
	So that's kind of there are not many men left that are just going to the gym, have black hair, you know.
	Oh my god, come to the Netherlands.
	What do you mean there's a bunch of people?
	I go to the gym like six days a week.
	I see them all over the place.
	But are they faithful?
	Are they true?
	Are they like fucked up body?
	Well, that's something you have to find out by learning about them.
	I do got to move things on, but good luck.
	I'm sure a bunch of men will DM you.
	We have Giovanni JD.
	Can I have you read this?
	Not in your mind, but out loud, if possible.
	I'm so sorry.
	I didn't even know you said my name.
	You meet effeminate men because you're a prostitute.
	Masculine men don't want you.
	And she'll say, lots of masculine men want me.
	They're not masculine if they'd entertain a prostitute.
	I didn't say it.
	Yeah, in your defense, you definitely didn't say that.
	I didn't say that.
	Is this a question for me or for everybody?
	No, it's a statement.
	Not so much a question.
	Dude, do you want to date me?
	Are you muscular?
	Are you right?
	He's a lawyer.
	Giovanni.
	Oh my God.
	I'm a student.
	I'm a lawyer student.
	We can start our own practice.
	I have money.
	Okay.
	We have Psycho to the Dutch lady claiming to be Dutch.
	If you want a real man, go to the south of the United States.
	Claiming to be Dutch.
	What does that even mean?
	That is my parents, my grandparents, everybody is Dutch.
	Who the fuck are you?
	It's all a ruse.
	But if you're spending money, just go to my own defense.
	Thank you, Psycho.
	Appreciate it.
	Appreciate it.
	Thank you, man.
	Let's see.
	We need to get to Maddie's notes.
	Maddie, give me just a sec to get that pulled up here.
	You said you're secretly dating your boss.
	Whoa.
	Not anymore.
	Yeah, I was going to say that.
	Surprise.
	Not anymore, right?
	Because you're a good girl here.
	What do you mean?
	No, I'm still dating him.
	What do you mean?
	Wait, I'm still dating him.
	Yeah.
	Did you throw up?
	I thought you had a boyfriend.
	Oh, man.
	Oh, that's your boyfriend.
	That's my boyfriend.
	Oh, I thought it was an auto guy.
	She's still dating the throw guy?
	Yeah, no, we ended up together.
	I'm a detective.
	Nice.
	You have a good memory.
	Okay.
	You said that you may have groomed a 19-year-old kid when you were 25, 26.
	Yeah.
	Okay, so I wanted to bring that up because everybody always talks about whether it's good to have an age gap relationship.
	And this is why I think it's wrong, just because of my experience.
	I had gotten out of a really bad, traumatic relationship, and then I was like 25, 26.
	He was maybe 19.
	And we became so attached at the hip that it got to the point where he was freaking out, even though I told him I didn't want to date him.
	That he was like, I'm never going to find anybody else.
	I love you.
	Why don't you love me?
	What are you doing?
	It was like traumatic for me.
	And I felt so bad because it had to have been my fault to have done that to somebody younger.
	Does that make sense?
	That's why, that's what I mean by grooming.
	Is 19 young here?
	What's other rules in America?
	He was so young.
	What is in the net?
	What did you do wrong?
	What happened?
	I guess I feel like I took advantage of him.
	Like, he was almost on a refountain from the ex.
	And I told him from the get I was not going to be in a relationship, but he kept begging.
	He kept begging.
	He was real in love.
	And he's like, I love you.
	I love you.
	I love you.
	And he would not stop.
	So I got to the point where I had said I love you once.
	And I mean, I did, but I was not on a, I'm going to date you.
	Wait, how long did you see him for?
	Under a year.
	Okay.
	But I mean, so you hurt someone's feelings?
	Well, he grossed me.
	He's regular.
	He's like a full-grown man.
	Maybe I feel guilty for no reason.
	How is it grooming for like, you said you're 25, he was 19.
	Like, how would that be you grooming?
	Maybe I used the wrong word, for sure.
	I just, you hurting yourself.
	Young men take heartbreak incredibly.
	Broken.
	That's what I mean.
	All of them.
	You said that you stayed in an insanely toxic relationship with a drug dealer for three years.
	Yeah, he was insanely addicted to cocaine.
	And did we mean that?
	Is this the guy that preceded your grooming incident?
	No, that was the one that was right before it.
	That's what I'm saying.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	So he's the bad relationship.
	Yeah.
	Do you think what's your karma for that boy?
	Absolutely.
	Like God gave you the terrible men FDA, like haha.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	He went to jail like several times.
	Really?
	Yeah.
	We went to Cancun and I got completely blackout drunk.
	I don't drink anymore, by the way.
	Kind of, kind of still do.
	But I got so drunk.
	I wake up and there's all this yelling outside of our apartment or like hotel room.
	And all these girls are screaming at him because everybody in the vicinity had thought he was trying to take advantage of me because we were like fighting, screaming.
	I'm just standing there.
	Literally, I'm just standing there and they're like, why were you screaming?
	Why were you screaming?
	And yeah, we brought the worst out of each other.
	Am I the only one who didn't expect this?
	I was like, oh my God, you're a good girl helping me.
	No, I weren't.
	I was a good boy in a thrift store.
	I told you I dated a drug dealer and doing bad girl shit.
	That's amazing.
	I had a very terrible upbringing.
	Yeah.
	All right.
	You said, let's see, we'll get into.
	You said what you wanted to ask the panel what everyone's definition of high value actually is, especially based off modern day society.
	I like that.
	Yeah.
	Well, you guys always talk about high value.
	So.
	Do we?
	Well, kind of.
	You're thinking like fresh and fit.
	I just, what is a modern day, achievable, high-value woman?
	Achievable, high-value woman?
	Yeah.
	Shane, do you want to?
	I mean, I guess a high-value woman would be someone who makes you feel safe, who doesn't embarrass you, who is loyal, but not just in terms of sex.
	Someone who will, who doesn't care about what you have or where you're going, but cares about the content of your character.
	A high-value woman respects and loves you as a man despite what you have or where you're going in life.
	She just wants to go there with you.
	Would you date a woman that's like richer than you and achieves more than you?
	Would you date that?
	So until, so I'm 37, until I was about 33, I worked two jobs and lived paycheck to paycheck.
	And so most of the women I had dated were doing better than me.
	So I grew up very poor.
	So only recently have I come into money.
	And so yes, I would.
	I've dated women who make more than me for sure.
	Yeah.
	So I mean, when it, and I wrote this down, but so I, when I think it, hold on, I've got to fix this.
	When I think it comes to being high value, it's an amalgamation of things.
	So for example, I think a woman having a low body count or being a virgin can make a woman high value.
	But say she's a virgin or has a low body count, but is heroin addicted and has a bunch of other vices and has a terrible personality.
	I wouldn't consider this person high value.
	Yeah.
	So I think it's an amalgamation of things.
	I don't think it's just simply one thing.
	But so I guess I wrote down a list of what I think.
	They don't need to have all of these necessarily, but if they have them, then I think overall this would make a woman high value.
	So this includes, but it's not limited to beauty, femininity, submissiveness, peaceful, so not quarrelsome, doesn't nag, pleasant, modest, low body count, or a virgin, minimal or no current vice, drinking, drugs, smoking, vaping, etc.
	Minimal or no past vice, drinking, drugs, smoking, vaping, et cetera.
	Immediate, undivided, exclusive romantic and sexual attention.
	So I think there's more things I could list, but to break it down, I think those are probably the most important things.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	So, and on that last one, I think it is amazing that I even need to state this, but I guess prescriptive advice for men.
	I think at bare minimum, I don't think it under any circumstance, I don't think men should consider or be sexually involved with a woman who is sleeping with another man or even worse, multiple other men.
	So, and other guys, for example, other guys who will say shit like, well, she's not relationship material, but I'd still smash or recreational use only.
	I say no use only.
	So, even if you're a guy and if you're inclined to have like casual hookups, one night stands, or friends with benefits, I still think it's an L for you to sleep with a girl who is or has recently been sexually active with another man.
	Yeah, okay.
	Yeah, I agree with most of those, except for you said past issues with alcoholism or drugs.
	Why that one?
	If it's in the past, it's the same reason as body count.
	Look, I mean, some people have different, if it's some people don't have objections to things in your past.
	I do think it's a potential red flag.
	I think people can redeem themselves.
	I think people can have made mistakes in their past and absolutely go on and be great partners, be good people.
	I just think if you can always optimize for like the best potentiality, so I would say that someone who has no past of vice or minimal past of vice is likely to be a more optimal choice.
	Now, nobody's perfect.
	People are going to have to make mistakes, but when it comes to dating, both men and women are always going to want to try to get the most optimum partner they can.
	So, yeah.
	Me personally, I'm not a big drinker, don't do drugs, smoking, whatever.
	So, rarely drink.
	You should try it.
	No.
	No, there's nothing to be gained.
	Why should I try it?
	No, but when it tears your family apart, or like you in dangerous situations, yeah, I'm impervious to peer pressure.
	I'm not really interested in drinking.
	No.
	I don't, yeah, I just never.
	On the same guard, previous vice is bad, but sometimes it is like if you have a five-year chip, that is like an indicator that you've changed and you can do the work.
	And that's actually a positive for a lot of people.
	So there is that also.
	If you are doing the work in redeeming yourself and changing, and it's like, I can see it, that's a huge green flag.
	Right.
	So if she's got the five-year chip, then she's putting in work, but if you're like, and that's the same thing with the body count, if you're like, hey, I've been so good for this long, this is how I behave, this is what I'm up to, these are my boundaries.
	But if you were like, I'm in a relationship with you now, but last month, you're like, okay, well, what am I doing here?
	So, yep.
	I'm trying to see what else, though.
	I'll actually even take it a step further than, like, when it, I'm moving off from the vice, but when it comes to like the recreational use only, all that stuff, and how some men will like sleep with a girl who's sexually active with other men.
	I think that should be the bare minimum, but I actually take it a step further and I say, if a girl is dating other men, I'm not interested.
	I really don't think there's anything wrong with that.
	Is that controversial?
	I think it is.
	Well, it's controversial insofar as the way a lot of people move in the dating landscape.
	They're like, they're involved with other people.
	You know, like a lot of girls, they're dating some other dude.
	Most women aren't ever really single.
	A lot of them are never truly.
	There's some dude in the picture, some guy they're fucking, they're hooking up with, whatever it is.
	And so, but even if they're not hooking up with a guy, but they're just like going on three, like this girl right here, no offense, Isis.
	No, no, I'm talking about that.
	She said she went on like seven dates a week.
	If I was like date number two and then she's like, yeah, I got five more dates lined up.
	Or even if she didn't tell me, but I knew about it, I would just lose interest.
	Like I would lose interest.
	That's okay.
	Like I think that's totally valid because I want to be the next bachelorette, but you probably don't want to be someone who wants to be the next bachelorette.
	So it's like, that totally makes sense.
	You're entitled to your opinion.
	Then you'll find a girl that's perfect for you.
	Just like I'll find a guy that's perfect for me.
	Brian, you're going to find love.
	Yeah.
	Don't worry.
	It's okay.
	I have to prove that to me.
	I agree with you.
	Okay, cool.
	And then you wanted to talk about what a woman brings to a relationship because I think the podcast has really changed my opinion on that.
	Yeah, no.
	So I started watching a couple months ago.
	I'm a big fan now.
	But it really made me think, you know, we talk about how men bring all this to the table, right?
	They're the providers.
	They'll build the house, right?
	But in modern day, because it kind of goes along with what's a modern day woman, what does a woman bring to the table nowadays?
	I had to have this conversation with my boyfriend because I was really, really interested.
	Because prior to being married, I'm not necessarily cleaning, cooking, and doing all these things, having this kid, right?
	So I guess I just wanted to see everybody else's opinion on that.
	Besides your body, because to me, I don't understand why people's bodies on both sides even matter.
	I think this is a problem, again, we are facing.
	Women becomes more men nowadays.
	We have to work.
	We have to do this.
	We have to do that.
	So how am I going to take care of a house if I have to do everything the same as a man?
	What is a modern version of what a woman is?
	Do you want to be a modern version of a woman?
	I think you have to ask yourself that, do I want to be a half of a man in a relationship?
	If you do not want to be, be powerful as a woman and act like a woman and let the man be the man.
	Stop comparing yourself to a man because you're not.
	Yeah.
	If a man builds a house, a woman's job is to fill it with love.
	She makes it a home.
	You are the heart of the house.
	A man makes a house and you are the heart of it.
	What men want is peace.
	So you need to bring peace, love, and gentleness into the life of someone who doesn't experience that on the daily.
	If you're a man, you're not experiencing gentleness.
	You're not experiencing kindness, and you're very rarely experiencing love.
	Even the love of your brothers is not the same as the love of a woman.
	So it's your job to bring love, gentleness, and these sorts of things in peace.
	Most importantly, peace.
	That's why when he says no nagging, no quarrelsome, it's like my whole life is conflict.
	As a man, at any time, like there's so many times when you're like, am I about to fight this guy right now?
	Like all the time, your whole life is just, you're hyper-aware of the violence around you and how competitive other men are and yada yada yada.
	And when you come home, you want a woman to bring peace, gentleness, and love into your life.
	And that's exactly my point.
	A lot of women say, oh, men do not understand how it is to be a woman.
	We do not understand what it is to be a man, how to be tough, and how to defend your home and everything else and not be able to speak about some things.
	I think if you want to be like the heart of the house and be like feminine, don't be demanding gentle.
	You're so proud of being a woman and be strong at being a woman.
	You can't exist in the space, though.
	You have to be proactive with it.
	You have to be proactive with it.
	Proactively yourself as a woman.
	Just be proud.
	I have a question.
	Why are you expecting women to provide you, provide you the peace?
	Why can't you go see a therapist and find peace within yourself or like your God?
	Oh, I have tons of like personal peace in my life, but in terms of a relationship where I'm sharing a space with another person and we're building a life or a home or a situation together, then what I have to offer isn't so much that.
	I think that a woman is better equipped to bring love, gentleness, and peace into my life.
	Shane, if I can jump in on this piece.
	Please.
	So I think, so you have peace when you're single.
	Yes.
	And so when we say we want peace from a woman, it's not like our life is chaotic.
	Excuse me.
	Sorry, I'm on the switchboard here too now.
	I'm not in hosting.
	So if your life is, hold on.
	How do I want to frame this here?
	So if your life is not chaotic as a guy, like we're not looking, or no, if your life is chaotic as a guy, we're not looking for women to like be a cure to the chaos in our lives.
	We just don't want you to add more to it.
	That's there you go.
	Like we don't want you to like be a liability.
	We don't want arguing and drama and conflict.
	We want you to like you said comfort earlier.
	Yes.
	We want you to be our peace and comfort.
	Yeah, not a burden.
	Yeah.
	You know how like if you have a problem and you tell a man he tries to give you the solution and that's annoying, right?
	You don't, you don't, you don't want a solution-oriented man.
	You want a listening, supportive man.
	Men want that, but it needs it's not just in terms of listening.
	A man needs a physical space full of that.
	Like, I want you to proactively love me, bring gentleness and kindness into my life.
	I want to be in the space and be so thankful that you're sharing that space with me because together we have created a place where I feel safe and good because I could do that without you, but it's more rewarding with you, but only if you're playing ball.
	You know, and then I'll provide you with security, safety, possibly money, and these sorts of things.
	Yeah, I would always prefer.
	I would always prefer peace and harmony over chaos, of course.
	I agree with that.
	But so I'm a little curious about your questioning here because, like, do you think, are you trying to say that men should have an expectation that women come into a relationship, like coming into a relationship, are gonna create chaos?
	No, that's not my expectation.
	Or that we should, like, tolerate your nagging and quarreling?
	No, I don't think that's the case either.
	But so then, why the objection to the claim of men wanting to be?
	No, I was just more curious in his personal experience if he is depending on women to give him peace or has he found peace himself?
	I'm depending on the woman to bring me the peace that only feminine energy, the gentleness that only feminine energy can bring me.
	I cannot replicate that.
	And so I need a woman to fill my life with that.
	And the only way to do it, but you have to be proactive in it.
	And a lot of people aren't.
	So that's what a woman can bring.
	She doesn't need to provide.
	She doesn't need to be sexy.
	She doesn't need to do all these crazy porn star things or whatever.
	She just needs to make me feel safe, loved, and peaceful.
	I love that.
	All right.
	And then I think your last thing here, or you have two things.
	You think your crazy stories are more partying stories than actual people I dated.
	Your senior year, I dated a guy who purposely drove 100 miles in the pouring rain to scare me to death, then threaten me with BDSM toys.
	I'm so dead serious.
	Yes.
	What?
	Yeah.
	Like I said, bad childhood, great adult.
	But no, senior year, I dated a guy that was much, much older than me.
	And I was drinking at a party, and I called him because I needed to ride out of there because there were people showing up that I didn't want to be around.
	He got so unbelievably mad at me because he had to come and pick me up.
	And it was down torrential downpour rain.
	He's driving 100 miles down the road and told me when we got to his place that he purposely did that to scare me.
	And then this weirdo puts, he goes out, he goes into another room, comes back, and just starts laying out BDSM toys.
	Like, these are going to be your punishment for needing me to come pick you up.
	That's so I dated that guy for one week, and he said he had never loved someone more in his life.
	And I broke up with him because of that experience.
	And he shows up at my mom's apartment door, banging on the door because he could not understand why I broke up with him.
	It's kind of sexy.
	How would that seem more like a mom's?
	I don't know.
	I don't know, actually.
	I don't remember.
	But I think he might have picked me up from the car.
	How old was he and how old you were in your car?
	He was like, 28, maybe.
	And how old were you?
	19.
	Still sexy, though.
	It was terrifying.
	You were in the car while he was driving really fast.
	Yeah.
	Ever since then, anytime I'm in a car with a guy and he gets mad and starts driving faster, it gives me anxiety.
	That's PCSD.
	You know, just give him a blowjob in the car when he's mad.
	He will not be mad anymore.
	So that is abuse.
	That is expressed though.
	We have a message from Psycho.
	The fact that you only noticed me spending money and suggested your OF might want to commit more to the Christian lifestyle and shut down your OF.
	This is to the lady claiming to be Dutch lol.
	You know, I read this before you followed up.
	What is your thing with claiming to be Dutch?
	Do you want to see my passport?
	Do you want to go out and eat stroke baffles and croquetta with me?
	It's fine.
	I will take you out and we can have some Dutch food.
	You can come over with me and be a Dutchie with me.
	I'm totally Dutch.
	You can stay at my house as well for free.
	You do not have to pay me.
	That's fine.
	Yeah.
	I'm Dutch.
	21.
	The Twitch.
	Go to twitch.tv/slash whatever.
	Drop us a phone, a prime sub if you have one.
	We haven't had a prime in 12 minutes, guys.
	I think it's bugged.
	Help.
	All right.
	And then we are going to last things here.
	We have a few clips to react to from Isis.
	We're reacting to some ISIS TikToks.
	Finally, getting to them.
	There's so many, but okay.
	You picked.
	We have the highlight reels.
	That was sad.
	Oh.
	Oh, this is.
	So, guys, I think I'm going to go actually.
	We're about to grab a few bit longer.
	Oh, I want to say thank you anyway.
	All right.
	It's ISIS.
	Read this.
	Currently, I only care about two things: orgasms and a follower account.
	Fair point.
	Queen.
	You forgot money.
	No, I care more about follower account right this moment.
	Okay.
	Sorry, one sec.
	The distance between you realize that that man is about to kiss you till he actually kisses you that month dictates how douchey he is.
	All the finance bros, before I realize it, they already over here and finished kissing me.
	And there's this one guy.
	He was like, very slowly, but I know he's got no game.
	But that makes me feel safe.
	It makes me feel like he's authentic.
	It made me know who he is.
	Not those finance girls, bros.
	That just like in, I can't, like, that's too smooth.
	Something is off.
	That's an interesting choice.
	Do you live in Manhattan?
	Yeah.
	Okay, yeah.
	I'm a come visit.
	Yeah, please do.
	If you tip under 20%, do not go on a date with me.
	Okay, that's embarrassing for me.
	Oh, geez, that's kind of harsh.
	Yeah, I tip 20% usually.
	But I think it depends, right?
	Like, if you're not making a lot of money, I don't think, first of all, I would go on a date with you.
	So because I know that I don't want you to spend the money that you don't have.
	So because of my standard, I say 20%.
	I just don't want to be embarrassed.
	How much that's the type of person?
	If he would take you out on a picnic, that wouldn't cost a thing.
	Would you like go?
	Yeah, of course I love picnics.
	Just a guy I have to make for you to be to go on a date with him.
	Yeah.
	I think at least 200K a year, at least.
	How do you find out?
	I kind of think about their job.
	Just context clues.
	Context clues.
	Sometimes I ask.
	Oh.
	You ask how much they make on the street.
	Yeah.
	Ask her how tall again?
	How tall does a guy have to be for you to date?
	In the past, I said six feet, but now I said like I'm flexible.
	Yeah.
	We got another video.
	I'm gonna delete this tomorrow.
	Same thing as a story, though.
	There are two things I care about right now in my life.
	One is orgasms.
	Two is my follower's count.
	But this is the same as my story.
	You did not delete this video as well.
	This is part of her 2024 era.
	Sorry.
	Melinka, stop DMing me.
	I'm not going to respond to any of you.
	Like, I'm sorry, but with all due respect, who do you think you are?
	How do you think you're adding to my life?
	First of all, I will become a billionaire.
	So if you're gonna give me money, then sure, you're adding to my life.
	That's worth maybe three seconds of conversation.
	Other than that, first of all, you cannot give me orgasm.
	Not as good as the ones I gave myself.
	Second of all, men traumatizes me.
	When I see you right now, I want to throw up.
	That doesn't mean I hate you.
	I don't hate you at all.
	I just don't want anything to do with you.
	And if you didn't do five years of therapy, and if you couldn't do all the hobbies I could do, then just shut up.
	I just, you're not worth it.
	I'm sorry.
	Make yourself worth more or give me money.
	But if a billionaire slides in your DM, you would, right?
	I will go on a date with him.
	But you say do not DM me, so you scared them off a little bit.
	That's okay.
	Were they being mean to you?
	Is that why you posted that?
	Were you just getting crazy DMs from people being mean?
	Yeah, I was getting a lot of DMs at the time.
	So I had this incident with Equinox because a lot of men go to Equinox.
	So I was getting a lot of bad DMs from men.
	And also, that was about the time I was blowing up a little.
	So there's a lot of opinion from men.
	That is pretty bad.
	But those are not the TikToks I think are the best representation of my life.
	But I don't think they're the funniest.
	Wait, so okay, really quick.
	So you keep saying this stuff about the orgasms and that the men, they're not pleasing you, right?
	But like, isn't this the complaint that women have about men that they have porn brain and they can no longer like get erections or like they're not sexually pleased because they're like so demented by all the porn they've watched.
	But like do you watch porn?
	I do watch porn but not very often.
	I just focus on my vibrator.
	It's just a vibrator you use?
	Yeah, so like if I have vibrator or dildo then I don't need porn because they're very strong.
	But if I if I'm like for example right now I'm vacationing and I don't I didn't bring my vibrator so like I might want some visual stimulation.
	It's either or you know it depends.
	Okay.
	Can you do without?
	Can you do like months without sexual stimulation?
	Like if it depends on the situation.
	If I was in when I was in a long-term relationship when it first broke up it was like if I don't I will have wet dreams if I don't masturbate.
	But then if there was right now, there's a long ass time I haven't had sex.
	So now I'm like, whatever.
	Okay, you do go ahead.
	Wait, how long have you been celibate?
	Yeah.
	Because I don't know, because I didn't keep track of the month.
	The last time I had sex was earlier this year with my ex.
	Like nine months ago?
	Did you almost say husband just now?
	Yeah.
	I think she said maybe.
	We were kind of serious.
	Like ex.
	Wait, so you've been celibate for months.
	So you didn't marry him when he brought that ring and the champagne to you?
	And then get a divorce and you're hiding it?
	I didn't know.
	Oh, so you're still married?
	No, I'm not married.
	Oh, okay.
	You were previously married.
	No, he proposed.
	I never proposed.
	That's not what I said.
	Yeah.
	Wait, so I'm just.
	Wait, I'm just curious.
	So like all the men that like can't make you come, now that you've like masturbated so much, is it hard for you to climax?
	No, it's not.
	It's easier.
	It's easier.
	Because I know what I like.
	I know which angle I like.
	And I know how to clinch more.
	Do you think a man can professionally?
	It's a practice.
	I got better.
	Do you think a man would ever be good enough and bad for you?
	Yeah, of course.
	I have men that are good for me, but like I have to have emotional connection.
	There's a few more videos.
	I'll get this pulled up.
	Maddie, take it away.
	Take it away, Maddie.
	Go, Maddie.
	Take it away.
	More TikToks from Isis?
	Okay, I'm pulling it up right now.
	So I was sad, so I tried to use my happy machine.
	But you know, obviously all you can think about is him.
	So it wasn't that happy, but also the cord was so short, and then they just like unplugged right in the middle.
	When I tried to plug it, I plugged the wrong thing and I plugged in my charger.
	The female orgasm is the only activity that lights up every part of a female brain.
	That's actually funny.
	No, because I can't go in class.
	This actually is funny.
	It's a little bit.
	It is spawny, actually.
	We've all been there, right?
	Actually happened.
	We've all been there.
	Like, you are horny and your toy doesn't work.
	Divorce is hard.
	Oh, shut up.
	I feel like I'm on to something.
	Yeah.
	Should I read that?
	Should I read it?
	Can you read it?
	The CCP plant is arguably the most despicable woman to ever be on the podcast.
	Promotes promiscuity, prostitution, fandom, essay against men, abortion, cuckoldry, pornography, and she's our worded demon.
	About who is this?
	I feel like you're talking about this.
	Who is this about?
	Yeah, I think they are.
	I should say.
	I should say that.
	Alright, don't worry, mama.
	You're queen.
	Speaking of the pin, so like he has the largest I've ever, ever seen.
	Nine, because I know it, because I always know this is six, because I measure it, because I don't want men to fool me.
	So every time before I do anything with them I like measure it.
	So like I know it's one two three nine, but you know what, for someone who's so handsome and so well endowed, he's really not good at, you know, SEX.
	It's just.
	There's just.
	It's just you know, it's how you use it.
	You know there's such a thing called too big.
	You were really in crisis, real raw emotions.
	You're already going through it.
	So you can never attack me again for saying oh, you measure it before you see it on tick tock, it's out there.
	Why are you always in bed?
	Because I love my bed.
	Ask me how old I am.
	I met a woman yesterday.
	She asked me how old I am.
	I said 27, almost 28.
	She was like, Oh my god, so many women are already married at your age.
	How come you're still single?
	And I asked her, How old are you?
	She said, Also 20-something.
	And I was like, There are so many women who are dead in their 20s.
	Why are you still alive?
	I just saw that one.
	That was really funny, actually.
	Play laugh track.
	Laugh track.
	Alright.
	One more.
	Let me tell you about a moment when I wish I was white.
	This is a long one.
	I'm not saying it's right.
	But I'm saying that's how I felt at the time.
	I had this crush on this person.
	It doesn't go away either way.
	It doesn't.
	I knew I didn't like him.
	I just wanted to make a crazy person.
	I can give you a story.
	It's just I invited guys much.
	So naturally, I hosted a you hosted a whole party just to have a guy over?
	Yeah, yeah.
	And then he told me, and he got drunk.
	He told me that I know you like me.
	I know you're pretty, but you're just not my type.
	I only like white girls.
	That was a long time ago.
	Let me tell you about a moment when I wish I was white.
	I'm not saying he's right.
	Are you true?
	But I'm saying that quite at the time.
	I had this crush on this person at work.
	I knew I didn't like him.
	I just wanted him to like me for the validation.
	This is pre-therapy.
	So naturally, I hosted a party, just so that I can invite him.
	This thing just made me feel very compassionate.
	But I think, oh, I'm still doing that kind of thing that's good for him.
	When I say Baby is like this, I really wanted to do it for him.
	I'm not kidding for you.
	I'm not kidding for you anymore.
	I'm like lighting, macaroni, cake, entree, alcohol, what do you mean?
	I just had to use it every day.
	This is the best thing I used to do.
	So then, he said he needed to go to the bathroom.
	I was like, I'm coming.
	Let me show you the way.
	I have to give you a gift.
	Come on.
	He said, I'm going to go out.
	I'm going to go out.
	Then I just said, I like him.
	I've already said that I like him a lot of times.
	I like him.
	He doesn't know that he's a kid.
	He's a kid, I'm going to tell you.
	At a certain point of the conversation, I said to him, you don't like me.
	You don't like me.
	You don't like me.
	Then he said, you look pretty.
	But you're just not white.
	Verbatim.
	I don't really get Asian right now.
	Oh, you don't have to.
	Can I ask a question about white and not white?
	What is like, I'm white, obviously?
	But in my eyes, not racist, you are almost the same skin color.
	It's like white features.
	I don't get it.
	I do not get it.
	ISIS, do you date Asian guys?
	Yeah, I do.
	I did a half last year.
	Alright.
	Oh, my God.
	Dude, TikTok is fucking cooked.
	Age range is now.
	My dating age range is now 18 till death.
	Because trust me, if you close your eyes, it's all the same.
	That's crazy.
	That is crazy.
	Alright, we got another one.
	It's not that if he wanted to, he would.
	It's that if you wanted to, you would.
	If you wanted to find a man that treats you the way you want to be treated, you would.
	Ooh, but you didn't, did you?
	You're still staying with the same dip shit because you want him to change for you.
	You want him to do better, be a better man.
	And that's not because you're a good woman.
	It's because you're too scared to be alone so that you put the responsibility to change onto others.
	You see, the problem was never them.
	It has always been you.
	Why are you ashamed right now?
	That was the one what is like a big reason I say it in my past relationship for so long.
	So we're kind of why are you looking ashamed?
	You're killing it right there.
	Thank you.
	I was gonna say that that was your less damage video.
	Yeah, and you're gonna not say that.
	Great comedic timing, saying something profound and correct.
	Yeah, I'm with you.
	Actually, the first thing I agree with you.
	Yes, ISIS.
	Round of applause for ISIS, everybody.
	Woo!
	Let's go!
	Thank you, guys.
	We all agree about chills.
	I can't tell him.
	So I guess you get a history.
	This is chat.
	What?
	Chance and ISIS?
	ISIS.
	I'm kind of bad, you know.
	I'm kind of having people hear us chanting ISIS.
	I hope not.
	There's so many between that man is about to kiss you.
	Yeah, we watch you.
	We got what the hold up.
	I came to the mall.
	This is very shameful for me to admit, but consciously, yeah, I came to the mall to buy things, but subconscious.
	Oh my bro.
	Is that American Dream?
	Oh my gosh.
	No.
	It's Hawaii.
	I've never been there, but I know it's New York.
	I can't survive.
	Should we just have her like tell us?
	Oh, yeah, there's an indoor surfing spot.
	And what was it?
	But I haven't seen the video because it is a place.
	This is very shameful for me to admit, but consciously, yeah, I came to the mall to buy things, but subconsciously, I was just, why do I keep looking out for him?
	Like, I don't want to see him.
	But like, I want to see him.
	Like, does that make sense?
	Because running into him doesn't mean going back to him, so at least I can.
	And that's so stupid.
	And I know Postena is dangerous because you know, I have comments saying, oh, he must be laughing at you right now.
	See, I'll give you a first of all, he doesn't follow me.
	He probably doesn't, he doesn't even know I have this TikTok.
	And I hope he doesn't see it.
	But since I want my platform to be built on truth, I just wanted to tell you guys that I'm not doing well all the time.
	And I do miss him.
	And I do secretly wish that I can run into him.
	But like, for what?
	But that's just how I feel right now.
	So.
	You had a heartbreak or something?
	She just like hit him up.
	I do not get it.
	Wait, so like, who was that?
	Was that the guy you dated for a while?
	I dated a guy and I caught him cheating with another woman.
	I ran into them.
	Do not say ex-fiancé.
	I did your thing.
	I was thinking.
	No, this is a different one entirely.
	I hope.
	This one's just kind of horrible.
	Yeah.
	People are like, oh, why do you have food?
	It's because I already ate because I was like, I don't have to come.
	Did he show up?
	No, I just was like, you don't have to come on him anymore.
	Because he had excuses about work, but it was kind of fishy because he kept pushing it.
	You can have a gut feeling, right?
	Did he buy you a bracelet after that?
	Because he was killing you.
	No, I just didn't see him after that.
	It was the first day.
	Yeah, it's the first day.
	And I know him's real friend, too.
	Was the food?
	It looked good.
	Yeah.
	But I didn't have much of a time.
	He said, oh, no matter what I say, remember that I'll always remember you fondly.
	And I'll be like, great.
	But I'll always remember this.
	I'm always gonna be traumatized by this.
	Well, you remember me for all the great things I've done for you.
	But I am left with hurt.
	But I hurt him.
	And you remember the good memories.
	Are these on your forehead?
	Yeah, actually.
	I was doing Muay Thai.
	That's why is this why you traumatize men back?
	Because you got hurt.
	Scratchy if you do that.
	No.
	I just want to know if other people feel the same way.
	I just had a date.
	It went great.
	But sometimes after a date, I just feel incredibly sad.
	Even if everything went well.
	Oh my gosh.
	What's going on?
	It just stops loading.
	That's annoying.
	Props tonight.
	There you go.
	Again, give out a white like and I'm like, thank you for the engagement.
	All right, but why did you feel bad?
	He didn't send you money, he didn't buy you anything.
	Why did you feel bad?
	It's an intrinsic feeling of emptiness.
	Yeah.
	Nothing's worse than being close to someone and still feeling alone.
	And she feels alone because you definitely shouldn't be dating as much as you are.
	Were you like thinking about someone else?
	Or were you comparing him to someone else?
	No, I think after I got home, I felt lonely.
	Like during the date, I feel like I had attention.
	And I didn't.
	And I envisioned the future with this person.
	So I think I worried I might lose it.
	And I also worry that by knowing him more, well, I get disappointed.
	So I think mostly it's fear.
	I don't want it to end.
	No, that was not the first date.
	It's someone I've been seeing.
	So you're just really looking for someone that's that the person you currently really like?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	Have you cried over him since?
	No.
	How was your last date with him?
	It was pretty great.
	All right.
	Yeah.
	And he feels the same way about you.
	I was like, I was like, I was like, I think so.
	Yeah.
	I just.
	Yeah.
	And he's the type of person that, like I said, I always had a height requirement.
	But somehow for him, we have chemistry.
	It made me realize, oh, maybe I have been wrong about people.
	You have a weak spot.
	I like him.
	You have a weakness.
	I deeply feel that if we had you back on this podcast a year from now, you would be like, all that stuff I said wasn't real.
	I'm in love with this person.
	And I don't care about any of this.
	You're so calm right now.
	It's so sweet.
	Who knows?
	We don't really know what's going to happen.
	Yeah, true.
	I'm very tired.
	Two more things.
	Kind of.
	There's ISIS show season one.
	Wait, what?
	Season one.
	The pilot?
	Yeah, the pilot.
	The new Nestic show about Isis.
	No.
	Okay.
	Oh, this is a story?
	Should we read it?
	Not all ideas, but I can't.
	Hold on, sorry.
	Beautiful people.
	The first episode of my dating life features a boy that you love me.
	Another date.
	Another man.
	Gaslight.
	Wait, what?
	No.
	And Gatekeep, or will this be season full of authentic love and affection only time it's up?
	Okay.
	That was inspired by a song.
	Let's see.
	This is episode two, your date with a guy named Simon.
	Yeah, you're dropping his name.
	There's this stuff.
	And Netflix, are you watching this?
	Sebastian.
	Do I know?
	Is this you living out your bachelorette fantasy?
	Kind of, yeah.
	Like, I want to create my own stories.
	Wait, wait, you just said you want to be happy alone.
	Who would have thought a very spicy episode is coming soon?
	Okay.
	Oh, this is the guy who bought you the 2500 Tiffany bracelet or whatever.
	For the threesome, right?
	That's the three-some guy.
	Okay.
	This is you, right?
	Yeah.
	That's you.
	Some guy left flowers, but unfortunately, he'll be dying alone while I'm once again on a plane.
	I escaped.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	Oh, critiquing hinge profile.
	So there's an interesting thing here that's coming up.
	You say, change.
	Oh, wait, don't touch me.
	Coming up.
	Change my mind about men.
	Rude.
	Yeah.
	Rude.
	PSA, a scroll's not one zip.
	You want to come shout out with you, mowing out loud.
	Okay.
	I'm a man.
	Okay, then there's a bunch of like blah I rarely swipe.
	Hold on.
	This one's from 26 weeks ago.
	I rarely swipe right on men who say they're six feet on hinge.
	Because that could mean that anywhere from here.
	Do you read it?
	Because they could mean anywhere from 59.5 to 6.
	And you know what I call men below 60 tall?
	My friends.
	But yeah, you know this joke, but you know, I ate my words.
	Now I'm being smooth.
	That's cute for you to say.
	You're funny.
	And I love the shortcase.
	Don't say that.
	No, I'm afraid he's gonna hear.
	I'm not afraid of anything else.
	No, but is it like a betting for you to say that you like it and you love him a little bit?
	It's not a betting.
	And he told me all about time and space and how time is coming.
	Oh, it's not interesting.
	I think it's strong.
	Oh my god.
	Here we go.
	Have you dating them crazy on the bounce?
	This is why I don't understand men.
	I was at the senior.
	I've been secretly working on a project.
	Okay.
	Guys, not turning to a shit show.
	And I'm not ready to show this.
	That's so wrong, Demon.
	Going along.
	Because it's about exposing some men, and I don't want everybody to know him.
	Because on your Instagram, it's public.
	They're going to probably Instagram.
	My friends see it, but not like a large.
	Because this is a good idea.
	But now they will.
	They will look up your Instagram and they're going to be able to do it.
	If it's public.
	You're going to have to delete it afterwards.
	Oh my god, I forgot to tell you.
	I literally stepped on shit.
	Yeah.
	Very disturbing.
	I'm going in, okay, I'm going in, okay, I'm going in, okay, I'll be the biggest star.
	Can you read this?
	One day I'll be the biggest star.
	And those of you who are small, might.
	Too bad.
	Savage.
	Okay.
	I'm still on super good terms with that ex.
	And what you guys don't know was there's one time we were rooming together.
	These are like long stories.
	It's not that interesting.
	So, that was, and this, and I, what the fuck?
	Wait, what?
	Another funny thing is every single one of my ex after our breakup just got jacked.
	And they made you broke their heart.
	They went to the gym, like, oh my god, something wrong with me.
	need to go to the gym life is not that deep you can read this by the way You spend $1,000 a month working on your body.
	What does that mean?
	Working out and I have a lot of sports.
	Just wait one more day.
	My cleaner will come.
	I don't anymore.
	That's the guy.
	It's $200 a month.
	Is it the red dress from the Amy?
	So my.
	Oh, that's my best friend.
	Good story.
	Wait, is that a communist?
	If you have a communist manifesto, that's crazy.
	Oh, yeah.
	What does that mean?
	Are you a fan of Marx, Mao, Stalin?
	Who you got?
	I'm a fan of everything.
	I want to learn about it.
	It's not that I'm like supportive of it, you know?
	I don't know much about that.
	That's fair.
	Okay.
	You're not informed if you don't know both sides.
	What?
	This is bullshitting.
	Oh, are you good at Dare back?
	Yeah.
	Oh, horse riding.
	CCP is a 4 out of 10.
	The attention she's gotten on this podcast shows y'all are pathetic.
	She's not attractive.
	Most evil and stupidest on the panel.
	How much did Winnie the Pooh pay, Brian?
	Not my words.
	Thank you.
	Not my words.
	We have one more.
	One sec.
	We have Isis Show Season 2.
	Is it long?
	How are you going to have a reality show if you don't want your business out there like that, though?
	Me?
	Yeah.
	I did.
	My business is literally out there.
	Wait, ISIS read this?
	You sound like a psychotic narcissist.
	No matter how disgusting you are, trust me, I can be more disgusting.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	How many followers do you have on Instagram?
	I don't have much on Instagram.
	I just most people say 2,000 or something, right?
	Yeah, I don't have a very small.
	Is this dating?
	I think it's just her life in general.
	Yeah, it's just my life.
	I'm sorry.
	There's, like, dating stuff there.
	Wait, I'm going to be rude, but did you write, I'm the bravest person I've ever met?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	That's so funny.
	Okay, it looks like I'm not.
	I know.
	I think it takes a certain type of narcissism to like record a video of yourself talking, watch it back, smile, and be like, yeah.
	That's right.
	You tell them, queen.
	Yeah, so people are like...
	So it was sad, so I tried to use my hand, but you want to watch quite so many people.
	Do you ever pause for a second and think?
	How can I just do such cringe?
	Okay, you see these bruises here?
	I think life is really not that deep.
	It just consists of the things that you do.
	And you know, I think truly inspirational men can't stop DMing me.
	I'm not going to respond.
	Yeah.
	Note to my future.
	The distance between no.
	I think you misread the situation.
	I'm sorry, those are not about dating.
	What do you mean?
	Those are not about dating, I'm sorry.
	The first story was.
	There's something there about the dating.
	I guess the season one had more dating.
	Season two is more about self-discovery.
	You need a season.
	We need a season three about love.
	Season three is where you jump the shark.
	And be in love and get married.
	There's like so much more on the TikTok that did.
	We read these two, Madison, that came in?
	All right.
	If you guys want, get your.
	Oh, wait, frick.
	Oh, man.
	Yeah.
	Thank you.
	Okay.
	Any final thoughts here before we wrap up the show?
	Any final thoughts?
	Speak now.
	Forever holding.
	This is actually a pretty long podcast.
	I just want to show you.
	I wonder if there's a break possible for future guests.
	You know, my back kind of hurts because I had to get up and walk around quite a few times.
	Yeah, today's show is a little longer than normal, but some entertainment while guests can rest of it.
	Something like that.
	Yeah, you know, this is a struggle.
	This is a struggle session.
	And we're here to get to the bottom of all the crazy.
	Yeah, I mean, it's been between like 7 and 8.
	Oh, it's like 9 p.m. or something.
	Okay.
	Oh, I need to do like a three-hour drive back.
	Brian, what do you think?
	Anybody ever asked why you started doing all this?
	Same.
	Yeah, people have asked.
	By the way, guys, I'll just do we'll do a five, ten minute row session, then we'll wrap the show.
	TTS is 30.
	TTS is 30 if you guys want.
	I need to update everything in the thing.
	Shane, what you got for us?
	You used to be, I think in your notes, you said that you used to have kind of a crazy life, but now you're a Catholic, Catholic man, and you're trying to change things up.
	Or what's that?
	What were you asking me generally, like, what's going on with my life in general?
	Like, I'm going from being a bad person to trying to be a good person.
	Yeah, I was a degenerate idiot, and then I did crime when I was young and was in a motorcycle club and beat people up for money and robbed people and did all kinds of bad stuff.
	And then I decided to stop doing that.
	And then I lived like a very, I don't know, like sex-positive liberal lifestyle where I was like, you know, trying to do comedy, go to New York, whatever.
	And then that was destroying my life because those values are not conducive to having a fulfilling good life in good relationships with people.
	And I noticed that everyone around me who did porn or...
	Rosetta Stone donated $30.
	Brian, ever noticed the general female infatuation with 666.
	Six feet tall, six-figure income, six packabs.
	I like the Dutch gal, the Korean gal, get a cat.
	Jeanieque van UW Beza Khanda versus Nypogue.
	I love you as well.
	Follow me on Instagram.
	Would love that.
	Appreciate it, man.
	We got a couple more that are going to be coming through.
	Loose pussy energy donated to Lebanon.
	Chair 2 most delusional ass learned 304 in all of whatever podcast history.
	She dishonor her whole family.
	Maddie, please smack the fuck out of this stupid, crazy bish.
	I'll pay your bail.
	Hashtag shut the fuck up.
	What the?
	What the hell?
	You didn't even speak so much.
	Oh, geez.
	All right.
	I think that's a good question.
	$30 TTS roast section.
	We'll do 10 minutes, then we got to wrap the show, guys.
	It's been a long stream.
	10 minutes.
	Why?
	Yeah.
	Because people are stupid.
	I don't know.
	Isis wasn't that bad.
	No, it was about her, right?
	No, I thought it was about Isis.
	Isis, Isis.
	Chair number two.
	He doesn't have tattoos.
	Chair number two.
	Oh, maybe he was talking shit about both of you then.
	Huh?
	Huh?
	Exactly.
	That's why I corrected him, Mike.
	You didn't even speak so much, so how can he be mad?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, this is true.
	Does he want to talk about his issues?
	Do you want to talk about your issues, bud?
	Do you want to talk about your issues?
	$30 TTS, guys.
	Get them in.
	We're going to wrap up the show here in a few minutes.
	Wait, is it not coming in?
	No, they're coming in.
	I want to eat pizza later on.
	I'm hungry.
	Jesus Christ, I'm so hungry.
	What's an in-n-out?
	Oh, it's closed.
	Closed.
	Look, what is it?
	It's burgers.
	Curtis underscorely on underscore donated $30.
	What the fuck?
	Brian is so fat you have to pack a lunch to walk around him.
	He's so fat to have sex.
	Leila has to slap his thigh and ride the wave in.
	He's so fat his Neuick profile pick is an aerial photograph.
	It's true, bro.
	That's how true.
	Brian, how dare you skip my $100?
	I took out a payday loan to do that.
	Wait, typical BLM behavior, free.
	We didn't skip it.
	Wait, Psycho, we didn't skip it.
	Which one?
	Psycho, send another one in.
	Tell me what the message was.
	You only sent in two, I'm pretty sure.
	There was the fact.
	Yeah, I'm pretty sure we read it, bro.
	But clarify.
	Does the limit change as it goes on?
	Because now it's 30.
	Yeah.
	Oh, I just, we bump it down at the beginning at the very end for like 10 minutes.
	I see.
	Like people want to send the last reason.
	No, not retention, just if somebody wants to send in a kind of final message before we wrap the show.
	I see.
	Yeah.
	I need to, honestly, I feel like we got to do a deep dive on another episode on your just entire.
	I don't know if I'm mentally ready for this.
	Because if you want to have your own Netflix show, of course, do it.
	Now's your chance.
	I don't have any media training.
	I need some.
	I'm not a great Isis.
	Thank you.
	You weren't as bad as Desiree.
	I want to meet Andrew, though, the other guy that's always here.
	I want to meet him.
	Who's Andrew?
	Who's Desiree?
	Desiree is crazy.
	What about Gorlock the Destroyer?
	Oh, yeah.
	Yeah, Gorlock's coming back.
	No way.
	Eventually.
	Eventually, we'll have her back.
	Okay, I'm going to start getting the raid going for Twitch.
	And then if you want, you guys.
	Last call, last call, $30 TTS.
	Get it in.
	If you want to roast anybody, roast Maddie, Roche, Roast Me, Roast Isis.
	You can do it.
	Be brave.
	Celebrate the brave.
	Roast.
	I'm not going to raid anybody.
	Giovanni Jade, you donated $30.
	Thank you, man.
	Thank you.
	Shane gave zero Catholic spitting.
	I'm telling Matt Frad.
	Blonde girl was based.
	Isis was worse than Desiree and Finham Redhead.
	Pink dress is cute, but she should quit prostitution.
	I agree.
	I think you should go eat shit.
	All right.
	I'll be sure to proselytize harder next time I'm on the silly dating podcast.
	I will watch my fat doll.
	Yeah, we added you back, man.
	Hey, I'd love to.
	I'd like to, we could discuss some other stuff.
	Definitely.
	I love that.
	If your religious people are like, why weren't you more religious?
	But if you're more religious, people are like, why aren't you less religious?
	Yeah, yeah.
	I would love to talk more about the porn industry.
	Like an infer question that I'm always doing.
	I would love to do that.
	Like the video, guys.
	Matthew Harder, hey, Ned Flounders.
	I don't care how many tattoos you get.
	You will never be black.
	Apparently.
	What?
	Oh, no.
	It's because I have the blackout tattoos.
	Oh, I'm sorry.
	I like the Ned Flanders, though.
	That's good.
	He has a great mustache.
	That's a compliment, actually.
	I see it a little bit.
	Thank you.
	I have one question going around the table.
	Who do you think is the primary victim of war?
	Oh, who's the primary victim of war?
	Of war?
	Can we get an Isis?
	ISIS.
	Okay, alright.
	That was cringe.
	My bad.
	Yeah, that is a little bad.
	A little cringe.
	Who's the primary victim of war?
	Men or women?
	Men.
	Isis.
	Men.
	Men, obviously.
	Men.
	Men.
	No, don't roll your eyes.
	Let's do the real show.
	It's a mindset.
	Okay, statistically, not statistically, like men.
	Men.
	Men.
	Yeah, it's men.
	Okay.
	All right.
	That was an interesting show.
	I think we'll get things wrapped up here.
	Are we going to say our Instagrams again or anything?
	No, you're going to delete your OnlyFans is what you're going to do.
	No, I'm not.
	I'm not.
	My OnlyFans is for free at the moment, so no, I'm not deleting it.
	No.
	You want to find a good, masculine, traditional man?
	Do you want to date me?
	First, it's probably prom.
	You got the labia plasty.
	I'm sorry.
	I won't take the labias with me on the date.
	You'll take it with you?
	Yeah, on strong water.
	I will bring it.
	You didn't say no.
	You should donate those to someone who wants to.
	He didn't say no.
	Bro, he didn't say no.
	True.
	So, is there an opening for us to go on a date?
	You didn't say no.
	I'm sorry.
	You're an attractive girl.
	You're cool, but like, you do porn.
	I just can't.
	GMD Jim donated $30.
	The whatever podcast.
	Dispelling the Hi Asian IQ myth.
	Please never let her on the show again, Brixon.
	I agree.
	I probably don't have to.
	I liked Isis.
	She was a Curtis under Scorleon underscore donated $30.
	Question for the panel: What is the one country in Europe who surrendered their capital city without a fight?
	Hint, Brian is from there.
	10 years in the USMC, but I never sent in a draft card.
	Ha ha ha.
	Psycho donated $30.
	Dutch lady, if you want a traditional man, you will delete your event actually commit.
	Otherwise, you are a typical Netherland heretic.
	What is your problem with the Netherlands?
	Why why we donated $30?
	Why does Blondie's only scam say she is online if she isn't?
	Also, PLST and MBCI love a scammer.
	If you're logged in, it says you're active.
	You know, if you're logged in, you will delete a youth and actual legal.
	I made it a that's not Dutch at all.
	I know he's saying it in English with a Dutch accent.
	I couldn't work.
	I thought it was Dutch because Dutch is a very unserious language.
	Hey, watch it.
	What happened to you, man?
	Watch it.
	It sounds like a Swedish chef from the mud.
	I will fight you.
	Don't do that.
	Don't talk about the Dutch people like that.
	I'm very proud to be Dutch.
	Don't do that.
	This is more Dutch.
	Thanks.
	This is more Dutch.
	No, it says Presque Bu French.
	Presque vu.
	Presque vous.
	My problem is you claim one thing, but then do another thing.
	At some point in your life, you will realize the mistakes and wish you have taken my advice.
	That's not very true because I told in a podcast eventually I will stop, but you have to reconsider.
	It's not safe for me to stop yet.
	Because if you're making a certain amount of money to live off, like your rent and everything, and everything is so expensive, if I stop immediately, I cannot pay for things and I do not have a roof above my head, I cannot pay for food anymore, and I will have a big problem.
	So, yeah, that's another story.
	Giovanni JD donated the sense of yen.
	Dutch said she's Christian.
	No, she's not if she's a prostitute.
	Face Tommy a girl and her red-headed friend.
	Face Tather Argur next to Shane.
	Isis sucks.
	Don't bring her back.
	Brian looking lean.
	She's Tommy.
	Brian looking lean.
	What?
	Crazy thing.
	But who's the other Christian here?
	Then I'm not Christian.
	Were they just calling me Dave?
	Us?
	I don't know.
	And I'm your red-headed friend?
	Damn, I love that.
	I'm your friend.
	Anything else you want to say about me anonymously?
	If you guys want, get your last.
	You can get your last one in.
	I'm going to wrap the show.
	Here's the link, guys, if you want.
	All right.
	Let me do the outro here.
	Red Thunder Scar PSA donate the San Juan Yuan.
	You had a good exchange with Vivian, but last year with hypothetical cause.
	Brave and decent man.
	Maddie, you could have saved us from her TikTok, but didn't.
	Tackle Brian.
	Psycho donated, saying eventually is a scapegoat.
	And deep down, you know that you could easily cut your expenses and live like millions of people do.
	Don't assume you deserve a certain lifestyle.
	That's not very true.
	The rent is the rent, and it's cannot go to my landlord and say, Hey, I do not want to pay that IO sum anymore.
	Fuck you.
	It's not how it works, right?
	Indeed, indeed.
	Okay, guys, before I wrap up, last chance.
	Any final thoughts?
	Yeah, that's enough.
	Okay, it's never too late to change.
	You could be a better person.
	Do it.
	Follow me on TikTok, Isis.
	Yeah.
	Follow me on Instagram.
	That's Jessica Rabbit.
	Netflix, give Isis a visa.
	One season of a show and then cancel it.
	That's okay.
	God loves you no matter your past.
	There you go.
	Yes, amen.
	Amen.
	All right.
	Newly single Dilf donated $30.
	30-year-old father of two.
	Any advice for moving on after my wife of seven years cheated on me?
	Fuck her mom.
	Fuck her, mom.
	Go on with your life.
	Yeah.
	Blow up.
	Psycho donated $30.
	It's called ending your lease agreement.
	Nice try on the where do I live them?
	At your place?
	You stupid?
	Call the canker.
	Calm the what's it called?
	A canker.
	Conker lion.
	Rom de bill.
	Ache le gestas m hole.
	What do you want?
	Sweet.
	We should really go on a date.
	I feel the sexual tension here.
	I know.
	I like the angry stuff.
	I like angry men.
	We should.
	Excuse me.
	Okay.
	All right.
	GG.
	GG.
	Well played to the panel.
	Last call, guys.
	Hit the like button on your way out.
	Oh, thank you guys for tuning in tonight.
	You could have anywhere in the world, but you're here with me.
	I appreciate that.
	Thank you to everyone who so generously super chats, donates, and supports the show.
	We will be live again Sunday, 5 p.m. Pacific with another dating talk.
	Any girls who want to be on the show, DM out whatever on Instagram if you can make it to Santa Barbara.
	Big thank you to the panel.
	I know it's a long show, guys.
	It was a good show.
	Good panel.
	Appreciate you guys.
	Psycho donated $30.
	As a southern man, yes, you would live at my place.
	Oh, I know.
	But only if you deleted your of.
	I knew you would love me.
	I knew it.
	You are not like this angry man.
	You're just a little frustrated, liking redheads with big tits.
	Oh my God.
	DM me on Instagram.
	There you go.
	All right.
	She's after a green card or something.
	I don't know.
	Okay, let me just double check that that's everything that came through.
	I think it is.
	I think it is.
	Okay, guys.
	Let me do this.
	Sorry, guys.
	I'm like managing the stream here, too.
	It's a good chat.
	Good chat.
	You guys were great.
	Thank you again, all for coming.
	Love to have you guys back again for another show.
	Great panel.
	Thank you guys again for watching.
	07's in the chat.

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