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Crazy Desiree ATTACKS Andrew Wilson & Brian?! FLASHES?! Unhinged RAGE QUIT?! | Whatever Debates #7

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	Welcome to the special edition of a whatever debate podcast.
	I'm your host, Brian Atlas.
	I'm joined tonight by Andrew Wilson, the great Madison Vu, and Desiree.
	Desiree, you want to introduce yourself into the...
	Yeah, I'm Desiree Noel.
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	So with that said, welcome back, Desiree, backed by Popular Demand.
	So you came on the show previously and had quite an interesting exchange.
	And you had some criticisms of the show, and we always like to hear people's specific criticisms and their viewpoints.
	So, just wanted to hear out, I guess, what your criticisms were.
	It's boring.
	Okay, so can you scoot into the table a little bit and then just get a little closer to the mic?
	So, okay, so the show is boring.
	Well, those weren't the criticisms that you outlined previously.
	So, well, we live in a particular found that your show was very dated on basically opinions and thought processes that I had.
	I literally thought that it was dead like 20 years ago.
	And I was very triggered because I came on the show and it felt like I walked through a portal back to like literally age 13 being at like you know church indoctrination camp basically.
	And I've spent so long, I thought, healing myself from that ideology.
	And I guess I came on the show and I was honestly shocked that there was still pockets of society that were perpetuating the ideologies that I discovered you promoting to very young, impressionable minds.
	So I guess what ideologies basically colonialism, white supremacy, woman hating, just basically the mother wound.
	I could really feel the mother wound unhealed from you guys being.
	I could understand that the show was all about basically, you unleashing your mother wound onto any female that had the compensory, compensory father wound that would match that.
	So a trauma bond, essentially.
	So I found that the show created an environment whereby females almost a hundred percent are being invited to assignment.
	I'm sorry, we have to pause momentarily.
	What's wrong with the audio is about three in and out.
	I just watched one on the stream and it's getting out.
	This could be related.
	This could be related to the stop and start of the recording.
	That I'm possibly.
	I'm sorry guys, we're having audio issues.
	People are saying it's good.
	I feel like trying to listen to it on the cell phone is not the way to troubleshoot this.
	Okay yeah, white supremacy, Yeah.
	Was anything even race talked about in that entire show?
	Well, you have to understand when it comes to ancestrial or generational trauma that I was responding to, it has nothing to do with the external appearance of things.
	It's an energetics.
	So when I say white supremacy, I'm referring to the energetics of there being basically a hierarchy of worthiness given to humanity.
	That's just frankly faulty.
	So I do believe that there is a hierarchy of calling for humanity, meaning we're not all gifted with the same intelligence, or obviously, not everybody is made to be a thought leader or a scientist or things like that that require a higher level of access to consciousness.
	But I do believe that we all have an inherent equal worthiness before Creator.
	And I believe that those of us who are leaders are called to lead well the class of people who are not intellectually capable of seeing from a big enough perspective to lead themselves.
	Hence why we started out having like a president or a government or things like that.
	Hang on, let's back up a little bit.
	Do you agree that white is a heuristic?
	Is what?
	It's a heuristic.
	I don't know what that word means.
	It's like a descriptor for a set of traits, characteristics that you're looking at.
	Like it's an identifier for that.
	Right.
	So I believe that it started out being an identifier supreme.
	It's right this second.
	Like if a cop gets on and he says white male suspect and he's running southbound.
	Yes, it is a facade.
	It's a mask that's not.
	Well, that's just a heuristic.
	Well, it's easily changed, though.
	Yeah, that's because it's a heuristic.
	So if it's a heuristic, right?
	Right.
	So it's a lot of fun.
	Hang on, hang on, hang on, let's back up.
	Let's back up.
	So when you say white supremacist views, right?
	Energetics.
	Okay, but hang on.
	What comes to my mind is this heuristic, which is associating people with these characteristics who think they're superior to people who have the same set of characteristics, but they're different.
	They're different.
	So the problem is, for example, we had the black gal on here, and I would say that she has, she grew up white.
	So essentially, you can tell from her wounding and her trauma responding and how she was trying to please you and everything that she was saying, you could tell that she was raised, even though her skin was black, she was raised with the ideology that white man is correct.
	So she took on all the colonialism, the Judeo-Christian indoctrination, and the basically subordination of women in that.
	There is literally no possible way for you to know, based on the few conversations you had with this chick who was sitting here, that she's conceding to what's being said, not because she disagrees with it, but because she has been conditioned to believe that everything that I say is true.
	I'm actually a very expert savant psychological profiler, so I'm telling you, I can tell.
	Okay, well, okay.
	I am a savant psychological profiler, so I'm telling you, I can tell that she wasn't.
	Okay, fine.
	Agree to disagree.
	I mean, does that seem like it's even a reasonable argument to me?
	Yeah, to me, it does because I know my exact training and my expertise.
	And I am telling you, I have studied humans enough and their psyche to know what was presenting.
	So the white supremacist stuff that you heard on the program was you just made it up?
	No, it wasn't.
	So what actually appealed to any type of whiteness being grouped or categorized as being superior to some other ethnicity or something like this?
	Can you give me a single example of that?
	Now, I don't want to hear about energetics and the perception of things which we're not talking about.
	I want to hear about things we are talking about.
	Okay, so you don't actually want to understand me.
	Actually want to misunderstand.
	Well because, because and this is important when we're having a conversation, if I use a word and then you use a word, but we're using the word completely differently, then we're not having a conversation exactly so.
	So let's agree on what white means.
	Well, we can change the word if white doesn't resonate.
	Well, you said white supremacist, so I want to know what you mean, colonization.
	No, I want to use the word white.
	What do you mean by white?
	I mean an ideology and okay, an ideology.
	Yes, so you don't mean a skin color.
	No okay, so in this ideology, it does that require superiority?
	Yes okay, so it requires superiority.
	So, now that we've established that this is an ideology and it requires superiority, what makes it white?
	Because tons of ideologies require superiority.
	So what makes it specifically in that white category versus, I don't know, black liberation theology or something like this?
	Because I see that ideology particularly running through so strongly.
	Maybe Hitler started it, maybe that was where it started, but there is a ideology that's running, consistent throughout all the different cultures, that either you are white or you need to get white in order to have the highest value in the world right now.
	Yeah, but again, you haven't actually identified what makes it white, what makes it white ideology.
	Again, I am using white symbolically.
	I am using white as a symbol.
	So then, why isn't it black why?
	Why would it?
	Why wouldn't you say it was a black supremacist ideology?
	I didn't make the rules, I'm just giving yeah.
	But if I say to you this thing that I'm talking about, I'm talking about an ideology and that this ideology believes it's superior to another ideology and therefore other ideologies are inferior to it, I can agree with that, but I do need to know why this distinct word white is being used.
	Why do you need to know that, Andrew?
	Well, because you made the claim that it's white supremacy.
	You didn't say ideological supremacy.
	You can pick a different word.
	I did black supremacy.
	So you want to replace white with black.
	I mean, would that?
	Would we be saying the same thing?
	Yeah, I believe we would, because then this woman was then propagating black supremacy.
	Then, if you want to use from your worldview I am talking about the ideology that there could be a best way to human yeah, but you could advocate that there's a best way to human without saying that that necessarily makes one human superior to another.
	I agree, so I agree, but I don't believe that we have a population right now that has the intellect to even go that deep into the understanding of what an ideology is.
	Yeah, but when you use their very surface level.
	So this is what confuses me.
	When you use loaded language, like you understand that politically, white supremacy has a completely different has, because you and you just said right, when it's when you're talking about people uh, word X resonates with people and hits with them differently.
	So if you're using the loaded language of white supremacy, why am I not to assume that, if you don't actually mean white supremacy, that you're saying that for the purposes of just kind of attacking the show rather than using it for the purpose of actually trying to express an idea?
	It feels to me that I'm trying to express my idea but that you have a particular agenda of not understanding what I'm saying, and so it's kind of a dead end.
	Let's go to the next topic.
	Well, you can understand, from my perspective, if I came over and I was like, hey, you know the big, the big problem that I have is that you know you have plants in front of your house, I'm not listening to anything you're saying.
	After I push this button so we can move to the next topic, because it's a dead end.
	We we did move to a different topic.
	Okay, You were still talking about it.
	I'm talking about ideologies.
	So the topic now is ideologies?
	How can we even have a conversation if we weren't talking about ideologies?
	Well, I thought you were still on specifically the word white.
	Well, no, I'm just trying to get your thought pattern down.
	So would it be helpful to you?
	Maybe we can back up.
	Sure.
	Would it be helpful to you if we defined our ideologies, why we think the way that we think, and where it is that we're coming from?
	Yes.
	Would that be helpful?
	Yes, I think so.
	Okay, well, let's start with yours, and then I'll do mine.
	It would actually be better for you to go first so I know what you're looking for.
	Okay, so to explain to you my worldview, and there's a bit of complication, but I'm going to try to get it really condensed so that you can understand where I'm coming from.
	So I'm an Eastern Orthodox Christian.
	Eastern, can you explain that?
	Yeah, I'm about to.
	Yep.
	I'm about to explain what that means.
	So there's many types of Christians, you would say, but there are some kind of universal agreements among what are considered Trinitarian Christians.
	Okay, so this would include, so the description I'm about to give you is going to include Protestants.
	It's going to include Protestants.
	It's going to include Catholics.
	Right?
	It's going to include Eastern Orthodox.
	Just a second.
	Brian, where do you want it?
	It's placed.
	Do you want it right there?
	Yeah, let him finish.
	Okay, but you're very bothered, and then that bothers me, so I want you to feel comfortable.
	What's the issue you're having?
	It's placed.
	It's all fun.
	Okay.
	All right.
	We're all good.
	Okay.
	So I'm going to try to give a kind of encompassing ideology here for the Christian worldview.
	the Christian worldview, how I see it.
	And I think that the descriptor that I'm going to give is going to...
	So I have a question for you, really quick.
	Before I get through that.
	I have an ideology, before I can even say the ideology.
	Are we having it?
	Before I've even asked it.
	I do.
	Okay, what's the question?
	Are we having, are you trying to promote that your ideology is superior to mine?
	No, I'm just trying to explain what it is.
	But then why is it a debate?
	Because you can have your belief and I can have my belief and it's apples and oranges.
	I don't see the point.
	So do you want to have a conversation with somebody and you don't even know what their worldview is?
	Well, I'm saying if it's a debate and we don't share the same worldview, what's the point?
	Because, well, that would be the point.
	Worldviews.
	So debates are about worldviews.
	Debates are about not only worldviews, but they're about paradigms.
	So I have a paradigm in a way, set way that I look at the world, so do you.
	There's no way to avoid this.
	It doesn't matter who you are.
	There's going to be a paradigm in which you view the world.
	So what we can do is we can utilize the paradigm and the worldview, and that'll relay a shitload of information to you immediately about all the things that I would believe across a large spectrum of things.
	Right.
	You know what I mean?
	Right, but then what I'm saying is if I am, let's say, I don't know if I am, but let's say I'm diabolically opposed to that.
	Let's say, for example, I'm a Satan worshiper and you're a Christian.
	Yeah.
	Okay, and we are trying to debate.
	So I'm just trying to understand what the point of all this is.
	Do you think the debate's about agreeing with worldviews?
	Maybe that's what I thought as a woman, because I'm basically groomed to have to agree with the males and leadership.
	Otherwise, it gets to be a very toxic environment for me.
	Yeah, so if you were a Satanist and you were debating with a Christian, you would have different expressed worldviews, and then you would debate the incoherency or the problems or the non-problems with these worldviews.
	They don't always have to be opposing necessarily.
	There could be points of a debate in which you're looking for agreement.
	Like we're and honestly, this is not me trying to be difficult.
	I don't live in a man's world.
	I literally am like basically a stay-at-home mom.
	This is just the world.
	Okay, I get it, but I've been like sheltered, I guess you could say.
	So I'm trying to learn.
	Honestly, I think what you're inviting me to do is kind of invoke my masculine energy and come to the table with you and basically poke holes at your ideology and you poke holes at mine.
	And then we kind of see where in the Venn diagram we might be.
	We could find tons of agreements and not be poking holes in anybody's ideology.
	Or we could be looking at concepts exactly the same way, but expressing them differently.
	I don't know any of that until I understand what your worldview is and you understand what mine is.
	You can leave it on the table if you want, Desiree.
	So you can just leave it in the middle of the day.
	As a psychologist, though, I don't know how you would say it's feminine or masculine energy, though, because you're a psychologist.
	The entirety of what you do is understanding worldviews.
	True.
	So I do have that part of me that that's what I'm trying to get at.
	Is are you trying to talk to Desiree, the woman who basically goes around and feels what everything feels like?
	Or are you trying to invoke my scientist friends?
	So from a philosophical angle, if we were to take you, Desiree, take GR underscore Gracie donated $100.
	Making the word human a verb, changing the subject when you run out of talking points, not off to the greatest art.
	BTW, when you make everything about race, it kind of makes you a racist.
	Smile.
	Thank you, Gracie.
	Appreciate it.
	Yeah, appreciate it.
	Yes, or where are we?
	Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	So when we're talking about worldviews, from a psychologist's angle, don't you need to know why people believe the things that they believe?
	Well, the thing is, is I tried to explain to you that I am a really expert psychological profiler, so I don't need to have a lot of back and forth with people to understand enough about their ideology to know the program that they're spitting back at me.
	That's why it's, to me, to my brain, you have to understand, it feels like a waste of my time because even though you haven't verbally expressed your ideology, I can tell what it is by the way that you try to trigger me.
	How have I tried to trigger you?
	Well, honestly, I don't think you want my brain to start unraveling that whole explanation because it could go on for a really long time.
	Yeah, I feel like I've just asked you a couple of questions.
	Right, but.
	In fact, so I'm not even in debate mode right now.
	I'm just trying to figure out.
	So from the way I think of it, if I take your brain, I take it out and I put it inside of a computer, you're not you anymore.
	You've now become something else.
	You are you with you're all maybe all of those thoughts that you had are there, but you're not you, right?
	And so you, the encompassment of what is Desiree, is going to be body, mind, soul, everything, right?
	The entirety of you and the ideology, which fits you.
	That's what ontologically is Desiree.
	It's what makes you you and not her.
	Right?
	So if I took your brain and put it in Madison, you're still not you.
	Now you're something else.
	That's not you.
	I would disagree with that because I. That's why I need your ideology.
	Okay, okay.
	So my ideology is that there is a universal consciousness, a universal intelligence.
	We can call that God.
	We can call that astrology.
	We can call that life.
	We can call it whatever's beating your heart.
	You didn't create yourself.
	So whatever it is that you believe created you.
	Killa of Serial donated $100.
	It seems as though you are the one who has been indoctrinated to believe that you don't have a voice.
	Might it be the feminist ideals that make you feel this way?
	Desiree, you are all of your brain.
	Thank you, Killa of Serial.
	So you said you were on universal intelligence.
	When you say universal intelligence, I've actually heard this reference before psychologically as the id, or sometimes the superego, or sometimes things like this.
	Are you referring to those types of things?
	No, no.
	I'm referring to literally the vibrational information that has been passed down from the beginning of time.
	So really, if you want to go into the science of it, it's actually passed down by the spores.
	So if you study fungi...
	Hang on, before we get into the particulars, right?
	I'm just looking for the universals.
	So like to be honest with you, I don't have a basic ideology.
	And contrary to popular belief, I wasn't indoctrinated by anything but literally observing things for myself and digging into my own psyche.
	So I can't be put into a box, and that's why it gets...
	Well, there's no way, no matter how you would describe what you ideologically believe, there would be no way, perhaps if I gave you an infinite amount of time to describe it, for us to ever get the full scope and picture, right?
	That would be impossible.
	But we can get an idea.
	Right.
	What's the spores about?
	Okay, so the spores, you know, fungi, yeast, bacteria, anything that basically is free-floating and is creating what we would call mushrooms.
	You would call it mushrooms or spores in the tiny version.
	Okay, so they actually carry the information of all the earth and they are free-floating in the air.
	So literally, there is a Netflix documentary on it right now if you're interested in digging into the science of it.
	But a savant, basically, his calling, his obsessions were spores.
	So watch that documentary and you can go deep into literally, this is the scientific explanation of how the earth or universal consciousness is speaking to all of us.
	And the spores scientists are discovering were actually the first particles that can be documented or shown to probably have led to life.
	So that is a nerdy scientific explanation.
	Do these spores, do they exist in all environments?
	What do you mean by all environments?
	Do they exist in the ocean?
	Yes.
	Yes.
	Do they exist in arid desert land?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	How do they survive in all of the multi-space?
	That's what the miracle is of it.
	You should really watch that documentary.
	I really recommend it.
	It's called Fantastical Fungi.
	Brilliant.
	Brilliant research that they're doing.
	Are there any areas of the world where there aren't the spores?
	No, they're everywhere.
	Yes.
	And they can withstand even lava.
	Yes.
	That's what's the miracle of it.
	Yes.
	Watch the documentary.
	It's incredible.
	Like nuclear bombs?
	Well, obviously, because Chernobyl?
	I don't.
	Well, this man is not an astronaut, so I don't think he has access to what they've discovered in space.
	But only the people who know what we've collected from Mars and things like that could tell you.
	That's not public information yet, so I don't know.
	Okay.
	How big are the spores?
	I don't know.
	Obviously, a spore is very microscopic.
	Well, it's all different.
	It starts very microscopic, tiny, like a cell or an atom, but then it can grow all the way to a mushroom.
	They can be observable.
	They're observable.
	What and the smallest is like, are they smaller than atoms?
	Again, this is not my area of expertise.
	I'm giving you the reference of where you could study it yourself if you wanted to go further in it.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	And do you breathe the spores?
	Yeah, you breathe it.
	Yeah, you're breathing them.
	So when your body system is enough, is pure enough, meaning you haven't messed with all your hormones and things with pharmaceuticals and all of that.
	So like trans people or?
	It would depend.
	I don't know.
	I don't know enough about the hormone therapies and things that they're giving them.
	I don't know enough about that.
	Yeah, I don't know enough about that.
	They move information.
	Yes.
	And so this is why you think that cross-generational information is that's one of the reasons.
	And also, vibrationally, trauma especially is being passed down through the generations.
	Through those spores.
	No, through the mother's womb.
	The womb.
	Yeah.
	The womb.
	And then also it's inside the egg and it's inside this.
	Why would different cultures be so technologically distinct then if it was a universal?
	Because that once that once that baby is born into a culture.
	So this is the collective data transfer is through these fungi.
	Because you have to understand that the universe and God is very multifaceted.
	So we look at human cultures and we're assuming that every human should be presenting in the same evolutionary tract, but that's not true.
	Think about the animal kingdom.
	We have all different animals evolving into different levels of species.
	That's going on between humans.
	Can you concentrate?
	Can the spores be collected?
	Yes.
	Can they be concentrated?
	Yeah, and actually what they're starting to do is find the strands of spores that you mix together that heal.
	Like there's like Indica sativa?
	That's marijuana.
	I'm talking about fungi spores.
	So more along the lines of psychedelics, magic mushrooms.
	Okay, what they can do is crop dust the right strands of these mixtures of spores and it's literally healing massive issues.
	Have you seen The Last of Us?
	The Last of Us.
	No.
	Well, it used to be a video game, now it's like an HBO hit series.
	Is that what the bunker?
	And it's like a bunker, and everybody has to.
	It's like a zombie apocalypse.
	But the spores, once the temperature rises high enough, like due to the global warming or whatever, like the spores can enter your brain or whatever and like take control of you.
	I've never seen it.
	But the spores are already in control of us.
	They're already in control.
	They've always been.
	Their award, I think it's like Oscar-nominated Pablo Passover.
	I've never seen it.
	But I'm just telling you, watch that documentary because it will explain to you the deep science of all of this.
	But so you can concentrate the spores into a concentrate.
	Can you like use it as a drug, like shoot it up?
	Yeah, I mean, people do magic mushrooms all the time.
	They're taking plant medicine during.
	Is this a drug?
	Like, could you do it as a drug?
	Like, would it get you high?
	It depends on what strand of mushroom you're doing.
	Do you not know about mushrooms?
	Do you not know about psychedelics and psilocybin and all that?
	I didn't know if I was making it.
	So some spores have psilocybin and some do not.
	So some would be psychoreactive and some would not be.
	Yeah.
	I think I've have a pretty thorough understanding of the spore thing now, Andrew.
	Sorry.
	I didn't mean to interrupt, but.
	No worries.
	No worries.
	I was just.
	So yeah, so anyway, so back to the idea of ideology or worldview.
	I don't expect that you'll be able to express the entirety of your worldview over a thousand books or a thousand hours or anything like that.
	But I do think that humans are pretty capable of condensing the kind of cores of their ideas very quickly, and that those universals can then quickly, even though there's nuance to all the universals, can then quickly be picked up.
	So, for instance, if somebody says that they're libertarian, they're relaying with the word libertarian a huge ideology to you that you never actually have to dive into because just by that word, we know some of the implications of it.
	This problem is, Andrew, is like I was telling you earlier, is what we're having is it's like a giant game of telephone has been going on where we have so propagated political correctness or submission to social norms that we are losing track of conscious thought of people being born and having their own thoughts about things.
	And so, what's happening is we have gone so many generations of basically being abused, if I can say that, basically being forced by our parents and our culture around us to adhere to a particular thought process.
	Otherwise, we are literally bullied nearly to death.
	So, and you think that's bad, right?
	Yes.
	Okay, yeah.
	So, so bad thinking things can be bad in and of itself.
	The force, okay, so here's my ideology, I guess, in a nutshell, as I'm understanding.
	At least that thing is really quiet.
	At least there's that.
	But anyway, go ahead.
	Sorry.
	It's that we are no longer letting human beings be born individuals.
	We are indoctrinating them, whether we're from one ideology or another.
	It doesn't matter.
	We basically have created an entire world of different cults where you're born into one and you are basically pigeonholed into either obeying the ideologies or the rules or the social constructs of that society, or you're literally cast out.
	You are cast out, and I am one of those ones who have been cast out.
	Well, now at least I understand, I think, a little bit about where you're coming from.
	Okay.
	So, from your angle and your view, ideologies themselves are entanglements of belief structures which people have not ego constructs.
	Yeah, they have not been accepted.
	Yes.
	And you don't want people to be at the mercy of having to accept them.
	Yes, because I believe each person being born in and having the freedom to have their own thought process, that's the checks and balance system in nature to make sure that not one ideology isn't being unfair to another.
	Okay, so let's back up then now that at least I understand the core of this.
	I'm tribal, if that makes you make sense.
	I identify more with like a Native American or a tribal African culture.
	Are you two men?
	No, I'm Cherokee and Blackfoot.
	Blackfoot, okay.
	Yeah.
	Like in actuality or identified.
	Do you have membership?
	I don't have membership.
	I don't have enough of the genetics in me to have a.
	Well, I mean, I've honestly never looked into it.
	Did you have a DNA test?
	Did you have your test?
	I never did the DNA test.
	This is just coming.
	This is coming from, you know, how your grandmas tell you.
	This is our tribe.
	Sound like Elizabeth Warren?
	Like, are you?
	Yeah, so it's quite possible.
	I'm not at all.
	I'm just trying to help you understand that I'm not coming from a Christian ideology.
	I'm coming from a more tribal, ancient type of spirituality, more similar to basically being guided by the astrology with my biological nature system Remaining as pure as possible to the earth, how I was created.
	If we were to order a 23andMe genetic testing, would you do it?
	Yeah, actually, I've been wanting to do it, but I've been broke.
	So, if you want to pay for it, sure.
	Yeah, we'll get it for you.
	So, word on the street is: I am primarily Native American, Norwegian.
	Primarily Native American.
	That's all I have heard passed down through the family verbiage: I'm German, Norwegian, and Native American.
	That's all that my family has reported to me.
	Now, who knows what is really true, you know, but that is, and I can identify with those things.
	I need to let three TTCs come in.
	I had a pause.
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	Appreciate it.
	She's talking about the Akashic record, pseudoscience.
	I think this is in reference to the spores thing, I think.
	The spores thing?
	Was it a question?
	Akashic record?
	He didn't ask a question.
	No, it wasn't a statement.
	Two more coming in.
	You would have to remind me exactly what it is.
	The esoteric idea that there exists all of human knowledge in its entirety in some metaphysical space which can be accessed by all human beings at any time by setting out their conscience and visualizing the great library.
	And then they can access what are called the Akashic records.
	Okay.
	I mean, I wouldn't put it in those words, but I am.
	Shockingly, I have a degree, a real one in psychology, and Desiree needs some help.
	Vibrational information is some new wave bullshi-EE8.
	Yeah, I got mine from UC Irvine.
	And then I went to grad school too at Cal Baptist in Riverside, and I got a degree in counseling ministry.
	So I'm actually an ordained counseling minister.
	Killer of cereal donated $100.
	This is not my aerial of expertise, but goes directly into specifics of how they move through you and how they can be collected.
	Have you seen a jar of these spores before?
	You're positive?
	You sure?
	No, I've never seen them.
	I'm just reporting what the studies are coming in from the savants, which I trust more than researchers who are paid at this point because a savant is somebody who is just genuinely obsessed or passionate about a certain subject.
	They have nothing political or monetary to gain by their research.
	So I believe that you really cannot believe everything that you're reading in so-called scientific studies right now.
	It really needs to go further.
	And I believe that citizens, citizens who are just genuinely passionate about the subjects, need to be fact-checking the so-called experts because a lot of shit is getting fucked with, if I may, at this point.
	Really quick, going back to your two diplomas here.
	So you have UC Irvine.
	You got a degree in psychology and social behavior.
	There's another one coming.
	And then so I was also, I was enlisted in the U.S. Army back in 2009.
	I was actually going to be a combat surgeon.
	So they were trying to fast-track me to be a combat surgeon because my ASFABs were so high and I had already received my diploma from UC Irvine.
	So they wanted me to be an officer, obviously, with my ASFAB scores and my degree.
	But I actually declined officer status because I did not believe that I don't believe in taking something just because you learned the head knowledge.
	I believe in doing the work to actually gain that respect.
	So I was going to go as a specialist as an E4 and be a medic, start as a medic, and then they were going to fast-track me to be a combat surgeon as soon as I was ready.
	I actually got pregnant.
	I got pregnant.
	Oh, go ahead.
	This was back in 2009.
	The economy had crashed in 2008.
	I was a college graduate, and all of us were like scrambling around.
	Like, what are we doing?
	United States Army future soldier.
	Yes, so I never made it because I got pregnant and I actually had to go and get a military discharge before I got shipped off.
	So at that time, there was such a wait list to even get in the military that I had to wait four months from when I enlisted to when I was going to get shipped out to an officer.
	I enlisted.
	I refused to be an officer.
	I was going to first be an E4 specialist and be a combat medic.
	And then I was going to work my way up when I felt that I had deserved the title of officer.
	Then I was going to let them bump me up.
	To combat surgeon.
	Can somebody in the chat who has military background to educate me if you can go from, you said E4 fast track to combat?
	I would just get bumped up to officer surgery.
	Starting as an E4, usually you have to have some kind of education.
	Yes.
	You would start at E1 if you didn't have a college degree.
	But then is that a thing that they fast-track you to combat surgery?
	Yeah, because they already wanted me to do it.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	And then, so you have UC Irvine and then you have California State.
	And then yes, I went on to get certification in a transformational life coaching program with Mary Morrissey.
	She's very well known in the Brave Thinking Institute.
	So this one was actually my most expensive certification.
	This took me two years of extra study, $40,000 for this life coaching certification.
	So this taught me metaphysics, quantum physics, and how to apply it basically into creating anything that you want in life.
	So it was cool because my brain took what I knew of psychology and it took what I knew of ministry, of ministering to people and all of what I knew enough of the world religions.
	It took all that information and basically showed me.
	How does it take to get a degree in the arts of counseling ministry?
	This one was two years.
	This took two years.
	Wait, can you move that one so the camera can see it?
	No, no, no, that one.
	From the California Baptist University.
	Yeah, so this is a four-year degree from UC Irvine.
	And I also had a minor in education.
	This is a two-year.
	Yes, it's accredited.
	You don't know about Cal Baptist in Riverside?
	It's an accredited school.
	Yeah, look it up.
	So I was one of the first of this pilot program.
	There was only 13 in my class when we completed this.
	Really awesome program.
	Great guys down there at Cal Baptist, woo-woo, to Nathan Lewis, shout out, was my professor, and Stokes, doctor.
	And you said they ordained you as a minister?
	Ordination was optional.
	So if we wanted to be ordained because we were going to go actually do anything that required ordination, we could get that.
	I could still go back and have an official ordination.
	So it's a degree in heresy.
	I mean, if you want to call it that.
	Well, I mean, if they're going to ordain female ministers, I mean, that would be a degree in heresy, right?
	That would be heretical.
	Heretical to what?
	Your ideology?
	Well, yeah, remember I was trying to give you that earlier, but you.
	Right, but I wouldn't call it heresy because it's just my worldview.
	Heresy means that it goes against, so I guess if you want to disagree, it goes against your very small-minded, square ideology.
	How do you know if my ideology is square and small-minded?
	You didn't get to know that.
	Well, because you're boring to me.
	Because you're so boring.
	I don't want to hear it.
	I've heard it about.
	You can just prattle and cluck like this and absolutely say nothing for over and over and over again, non-stop, and talk about small mushroom spores.
	And then after we get to the small mushroom spores, let's move over really quick into how we can cherry pick the way that different ideologies of the world are all within some type of narrow prism.
	And that way, you know, we can just move into the psychological and ideology, universal intelligence, vibrational ENF, and bad the Akashic records.
	I mean, does that make you feel better if I speak?
	Tell me how you really feel.
	Should I, I mean, does it make you feel better if I spurred?
	We shouldn't choose that.
	It's just that you're boring, to be honest.
	Okay, great.
	I could take over for a little bit.
	Yeah, go, Brian.
	I mean, I don't think I'll be any less boring, I suppose, than Andrew.
	But I did look into, you said that it was a Mary Morrissey for that program.
	Mary Morrissey, yeah, she's a transformational life.
	Is she affiliated with the new thought organization Living Enrichment Center?
	No.
	She runs the Brave Thinking Institute.
	Do you know what her middle name is?
	Mary Mannon Morrissey?
	That was her maiden name.
	Okay.
	Mannon was her husband Edward.
	I don't know.
	Edward?
	No, her husband right now is Joe Dickey, her current husband.
	Hold on.
	Mary.
	Mary Morrissey.
	I mean, it's possible there's two Mary Morrisseys there.
	My Mary Morrissey is down in Orange County, and she runs the Brave Thinking Institute.
	She worked with the Dalai Lama.
	She has a special on PBS that was, she was working with the Dalai Lama for like three different sessions of trying to come up with a plan for world peace with Martin Luther, King Jr., his family, and such.
	She does a lot with, she worked a lot with Bob Proctor, if you know Bob Proctor.
	That was like her bestie.
	He passed away now.
	Rest in peace.
	And then she also does a lot of work with Andrew Beckwith.
	And Andrew Bethwith is down in LA.
	He runs a spiritual center.
	Okay.
	And that they are more in alignment with my ideology.
	The Brave Thinking Institute.
	BTI.
	There's maybe multiple fucking people named Mary Morris who are doing these kind of scams or whatever.
	Is it this lady?
	Can I quote her?
	Yeah, pull it up, please.
	Is it this lady?
	Is that her?
	Yes, that's Mary Morrissey.
	Okay.
	Well, I see something for a living enrichment center on a Wikipedia article that indicates that I don't know if this is the same one, but there was a Mary Morrissey centers, and it closed in 2004 as a result of a 10 million financial scam.
	Yeah, that was her husband.
	Her husband was actually embezzling all that money, and she actually.
	She had nothing to do with it.
	Well, she missed a lot of red flags that he was doing this.
	And so she shut it down, and then she dedicated all these years to repaying back that $10 million.
	So she has repaid that debt since she paid it off a long time ago.
	And now she got out of running her ministry as a church, and she now runs it as a life coaching program.
	And so you.
	She has a minister?
	Yes.
	What denomination?
	I have no idea.
	No clue.
	She started her own, as far as I know.
	Yeah.
	Well, I mean, it seems to indicate here there's a news organization called Key.
	Now, again, I just want to clarify something.
	When he's saying ministry, he's assuming that it's a Christian ideology.
	I'm not talking about Christian ministry.
	Is that where you're getting because I'm feeling some animosity towards you, and I'm not understanding why?
	You're being very condescending when I bring up the word ministry.
	Well, okay, you have a degree from a Christian university.
	That doesn't mean I'm a Christian.
	Yeah, I understand.
	But if a Christian university is going to ordain you for a ministry, they didn't ordain me.
	That's not what I said.
	I said, if a Christian organization is going to ordain you for a ministry, they're going to be ordaining you as a Christian minister.
	But I'm not.
	Mary Morrissey was not ordained by a Christian organization, and nor was I.
	Yeah, I get it.
	But you could see how it would correlate before we were using the word minister in this context, ministry, from a Christian context, that I could assume that this woman was a Christian minister.
	She was not a Christian minister.
	That's fine if she wasn't, but when you say ministry, then what does that mean?
	Just it means somebody who is dedicated to helping people.
	And they have an accountability that is between them and God.
	So basically.
	So there could be satanic ministers?
	Yes.
	If that's their higher power that they are accountable to, yes, there could be satanic ministers.
	And there is, obviously.
	Well, I mean, I'm not super interested in this Mary Morrissey or the program that you were referencing.
	Does seem to indicate here that as of 2007, there's no more recent reportings, but this is on Wikipedia.
	The news organization reported she only repaid only $74,000 since her plea bargain, her plea bargain, was struck in 2005.
	In any case, I'm not super interested in that, but you paid $40,000 for that per month.
	Well, I paid $15,000 for a year of mentorship with her program.
	So that basically taught me what they call brave thinking skills.
	So basically, how to actually bring back critical thought and how to become conscious again of your thoughts.
	She's a life coach, right?
	She's a life coach, yeah.
	A transformational life coach.
	Yeah, and you're also a transformational life coach.
	I don't label myself as that, no.
	But you are a life coach.
	I don't label myself as that.
	But you said you do life coaching.
	If that's what people need at the time.
	So you do do life coaching?
	What's the point of your question?
	To ask if you do life coaching.
	Why are you asking?
	What's your intention?
	To see if you do life coaching.
	But there's a deeper intention behind that.
	Can you explain it?
	Yeah, I would like to know if you do life coaching.
	Why?
	So that I know the answer to the question of if you do life coaching.
	I don't believe that you're being straightforward with your intention, so I'll just say no.
	No, you don't do life coaching.
	No.
	Okay.
	I don't think that was a gotcha, but anyways, I do want to move on.
	In your opening statement, you mentioned that what you mentioned there's the colonialism, white supremacy.
	We already talked about that.
	You also mentioned the woman hating.
	What specifically did me or Andrew say that indicated that we hate women or that we what was woman hating about the show?
	I didn't feel safe in your presence.
	What does that have?
	Okay, anything else?
	Well, I'm almost 40, so I've been a woman for a long time.
	And what I've learned is that when I'm welcome, I feel safe.
	And when I'm not, I don't.
	Okay, so is there anything else that me or Andrew said or through our conduct that would indicate that was woman hating?
	I don't think I need to explain why I didn't feel safe.
	That's not what I'm asking you.
	I'll even grant that you didn't feel safe.
	That's fine.
	How were we woman hating?
	Why don't you tell me?
	Well, I'd like to ask, do you think that people on the TV can jump out of the TV and hurt you?
	Grid one Motorsports donated $100.
	Bull sheed, that is all.
	Oh, wait, get to a church and find God or go to hell.
	Yeah, do you think people can jump out of a TV screen and do bad things to you?
	I do, because most damage, especially done these days, is psychological and emotional.
	So feeling safe from your perspective is not just physical, it's emotional safety.
	Correct.
	And is it other people's responsibility to make you feel emotionally safe?
	Or is it your responsibility?
	I would say it's both.
	Okay, so it is other people's responsibility to make you feel emotionally safe.
	I say when there is not full disclosure of the Plan of what's going to be done to me psychologically, then that is the responsibility of the person who's manipulating me.
	It's really funny that you say that because this actually is just deterring responsibility to the second party, right?
	So you're saying yes, you guys are more powerful than I am as far as damaging me psychologically because we live in a society that has normalized the manipulation of women and their vulnerability emotionally.
	So I believe that you partook in that same essentially tactic of getting from me what you wanted.
	Yeah, so I'm going to just like grant a couple things, right?
	Thing one.
	I have to go to the bathroom first, and then when I come back, you can share.
	Well, I'd like to take this moment to talk about...
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	Now, also, I'd like to shout out our Twitch, twitch.tv/slash whatever.
	Drop us a follow in the Prime sub if you have one, guys.
	It's been 18 minutes since we last got Prime.
	Help.
	That was a deep, that was a deep, you got a deep voice, Patty.
	Help.
	Hope.
	Help.
	She's getting meds for that.
	Drop us a follow in the Prime sub if you have one, boys.
	I think it's bugged.
	18 minutes.
	Can somebody test it out?
	Thank you guys.
	And how many shots?
	Did you guys have one shot?
	This is my third shot.
	Maybe don't.
	Maybe the alcohol is not a good idea.
	Well, if you guys were nice, I wouldn't need it.
	If we were nice, she wouldn't need.
	We've been nice.
	I think you guys are nice.
	We've been nice.
	We want to have some aggressiveness.
	I would rather you just say exactly what you're saying.
	Ikea, I was just about to tell you exactly what I thought, but then you had to pee.
	I did.
	I've had a lot of children.
	We will get in future episodes funnels onto the table for people to so they don't have to get.
	So, yeah, I mean, I was just about to grant to you.
	Yeah, I don't care about how what I say makes a person emotionally feel if the purpose of the discussion is a disagreement.
	How you're like your emotional state from there is totally irrelevant to me.
	Do you know that that's a symptom?
	Of what?
	Psychopathy.
	Psychopathy doesn't exist.
	It does.
	It doesn't.
	It's the lack of empathy for another's feelings.
	Okay, so you're a psychologist, right?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Do you think that psychopathy is actually a medical psychological condition and that you can identify it in the DSM?
	Yes, they can now brain scan you and tell if you have psychopaths.
	Do you have your phone?
	Yes.
	Okay, can you pull up the DSM 5 and show me where it says anything about psychopathy?
	I'm not talking about the DSM 5.
	I'm talking about the psychology.
	Well, then how do you categorize what is the psychological condition?
	You can get a brain scan and your gray matter would show up differently than somebody without psychopathy.
	First of all, when you're talking about brain scans, that's really brand new tech.
	That's the same thing as when people say that you can do a brain scan to determine a gender.
	You really can't because you have human variances and sexual absence.
	Gender is determined more by the hormonal makeup and the mind.
	And the matter cannot determine if somebody is a psychopath.
	But even if it could, psychopathy in and of itself has not even been demonstrated to be harmful to society.
	Psychopathy in and of itself could be a boon to society.
	For instance, you may need people who have completely unfeeling dispositions for certain jobs which need doing.
	I agree because we are all tools essentially of the divine.
	Well, maybe.
	God.
	You and your ideology would call it God.
	Yeah, I would say that we're all definitely in.
	I agree.
	There's where our Venn diagrams are crossing.
	I believe we are all tools.
	But I need to ask, just because I don't care what your emotional state is when we're having a discussion about something we disagree on, I don't understand why that would even indicate psychopathy.
	It's very common for Stoic men to not care about the emotional status of a person who refuses to adhere to them.
	It's very common of men to be abusive.
	It doesn't mean it's right.
	Yeah, but now you're conflating two different things.
	So I would agree.
	Psychopathic individuals are abusive.
	Yeah, but just because that's true.
	That's true.
	Some of them are narcissistic.
	Yeah, but not all abusive people are narcissists.
	Some of them are just trauma responding and they overlap.
	Not all of them are doing that either.
	Yeah, abuse.
	Name a type of abuse that for you is so broad that encompasses everything.
	Encompasses abuse.
	It's the degradation.
	It's the psychological abuse.
	It's the degradation.
	It's the calculated degradation of another individual without remorse, feeling, or care.
	It's not a trauma response, in other words.
	Now, what you saw of me on the last show was me trauma responding.
	So I did hurt people's feelings and I said things that were abusive.
	You could say abusive.
	But I really was, I have very complex traumas.
	I could spend a lot of time telling you.
	But isn't it awful convenient to say when I do it, it's excused.
	When you do it, it's because you're a psychopath.
	Well, to be honest with you, you're a predator.
	I'm not.
	You're not a predator?
	No.
	What makes me predatory and you not predatory?
	I don't go out seeking to hurt people.
	You do.
	Who do I go out to seek to hurt?
	Me.
	How did I seek to hurt you?
	You are seeking to show the followers that I am basically not worth living.
	Not worth speaking.
	Not worth breathing.
	What are you talking about?
	Not worth having an opinion.
	My opinion.
	Well, if your opinion is bad, then yes.
	Your opinion.
	So look at this.
	You are a very condescending person.
	Try to juxtapose yourself.
	Put yourself in my shoes for a second, okay?
	Let us assume for a second that I had some knowledge.
	I was raised by your type.
	Assume for a second, well, they didn't raise you right, but assume for a second.
	No, I just diverted to something else.
	Okay, so anyway, back to this, real quick.
	I was in the middle of talking.
	It's awful abusive of you to cut me off while I'm talking about it.
	It is.
	I'm speaking.
	I'm just giving you back your own medicine.
	I'm speaking.
	I'm giving you back your own medicine.
	I don't respect you.
	I'm speaking.
	I don't respect you.
	I'm speaking.
	I don't respect your thought process.
	So anyway.
	I literally don't respect you.
	I don't respect you.
	Who cares what you respect?
	Who cares what you respect?
	I mean, do you want to say that?
	Should I care about you if you don't give a shit about me?
	I don't give a shit about you.
	Yes, if you don't give a shit about me, I'm going to show you what it feels like to have somebody not give a shit about you, but I'm not going to gaslight you and pretend like I give a shit.
	I'm just going to tell you I don't give a shit about your time.
	There's the difference between you.
	I don't give a shit about you.
	You're a piece of shit.
	You're only here because your sex life sucks.
	I actually don't want to.
	Do you want to go there?
	Yeah, go there.
	You're only here because you abuse your children.
	Okay.
	I thought we weren't going to talk about that.
	I thought, well, hang on.
	You can dish it out, but you can't take it.
	I gave you explicit boundaries that you were talking about.
	And I just broke your boundaries because I don't give a shit.
	Because I don't give a fuck.
	You didn't give me boundaries.
	Get your wife on the phone.
	What would you like to talk to her about?
	I would like to ask her how the sex is.
	Okay.
	Wait, wait, that's crazy.
	I really would.
	Look, we got to.
	I can't.
	I was married to your guest.
	We can call my ex-husband if you want.
	You might answer.
	You never know.
	You two would get along.
	You'd be besties.
	He's a real winner, by the way.
	Look, I mean, he probably is.
	He divorced you, right?
	No, I divorced him.
	Oh, well, I mean, that actually makes more sense.
	So, look, if you want Andrew to respect the boundaries, you can't be slinging.
	But here's the thing, Brian.
	He didn't give me boundaries.
	He didn't give me, I gave him boundaries.
	He did not say you can't do this.
	You said you're responsible for my emotional health.
	We can put the no button in the middle, and you can use it too if you would like.
	Do you need boundaries too and consent?
	Yes, do you need a safe word?
	It's no.
	Put it there.
	So here's the boundary.
	Now you feel safe.
	You can say no whenever you want.
	Okay.
	When I hit the no, that means stop talking.
	Okay, agreed.
	Okay.
	Do you think you do that?
	Can I show my ass on camera every time you say no?
	No.
	No.
	Why?
	Because that would violate the terms of service.
	What's the terms of service that I thought?
	You can't show your ass on camera?
	I never signed anything that said I couldn't.
	So you're going to break the TOS?
	What's the TOS?
	Nick, just intro if you have to.
	What is it?
	It means.
	We're on YouTube and Twitch.
	You can't show.
	You guys, I'm old.
	I don't know what these things are.
	You know what YouTube is?
	I don't know the rules of the rules.
	Do I seem like I follow rules?
	Okay, but would you.
	You don't seem like you're even rational or coherent.
	I'm not rational to mainstream society.
	I'm not.
	I'm a divergent.
	Okay, so obviously.
	You can be divergent and be rational.
	No, not necessarily.
	No, not these days.
	No, you can't.
	Yes, you can.
	No, you literally can't.
	Yeah, you literally do.
	Do you like to do that?
	Do you literally support me?
	Literally means?
	It literally doesn't mean what you're doing.
	Are you supporting Trump?
	I'm asking you a question.
	Yes.
	Look at you.
	Of course.
	Okay, look at it.
	There's an area our Venn diagram intersects.
	So what does that have to do with the price of tea in China?
	Let's say.
	Okay.
	Let's just pretend.
	Okay.
	Trump was my dad.
	Uh-huh.
	Let's just pretend.
	Yeah.
	Would you give me a little more respect?
	No.
	None?
	No.
	I would treat you exactly how you treated you.
	I usually match people's energies.
	So if they're being lunatic assholes, then I'm a lunatic asshole.
	Same.
	High five.
	So just so you know, I don't want to touch you.
	Don't want to touch you.
	But here's the thing.
	All right.
	No, no, no, don't do it.
	Don't touch me.
	It's that dangerous?
	Nick, you got it.
	My ass is literally that dangerous.
	Huh?
	My ass is literally that dangerous.
	Bro, you wouldn't do this.
	You do realize we're a show, right?
	We don't want to show that shit.
	You don't want to show ass?
	Then why do you have an OnlyFans?
	What does that even, what are you talking about?
	Why do you have an OnlyFans?
	We have a meme page.
	We don't put nothing on it.
	Why do you target?
	There's nothing on it.
	Why do you target OnlyFans girls?
	What are you even talking about?
	Why do you target OnlyFans girls?
	What does that have to do with us not wanting for you to show nudity?
	You literally target basically porn stars.
	I don't even know what that means.
	You don't know what targeting a porn star means?
	You'd have to explain to me what that even means.
	Are most of your guests not in the sex industry?
	No.
	It's actually we've gone through painstakingly all our episodes to get statistics, age, relationship status, all this stuff.
	Less than 30% of the guests that we've had on the show are involved in sex workers.
	Who makes you the most money?
	The non-sex workers out there.
	Really?
	And how would that even be relevant?
	I'm just collecting data.
	Do you think we keep track on the clip from this specific person?
	It's honestly.
	It's a viral moment.
	Our number one most viral moment wasn't a sex worker.
	What is it?
	Hold on.
	And then our most viral moments in general typically aren't have anything to do with sex workers.
	Oh, what is the most viral moment?
	You can't be showing your ass on a street.
	Because I just said so.
	I can't show my ass on the internet.
	I do it all the time.
	Yeah, but you're not allowed to sexually assault people.
	Oh, was that sexual assault?
	That actually technically was sexual assault.
	Oh, well, now you know how I feel.
	I didn't say sexual, but I emotionally just sexually assaulted it.
	If my wife was here, you wouldn't be on this earth.
	That's fine.
	That's fucking fine, because at least I could handle something in the realm of fucking visual drawing.
	It's sexual assault.
	Okay, so do I.
	So when I say I have a boundary, you come over to me and lift up your whole dress and try to move your ass into my face.
	That's sexual assault.
	So when you try to impose ideologies to me, that is energetic assault.
	Sexual assault.
	Why did my body register the last time I was here?
	What your body?
	My body registered it as a rape.
	Would I emotionally grape you?
	Yes.
	Hold on.
	I have to pause at the TTS.
	Okay.
	Say that one more time.
	I had to emotionally process the last episode the same way, the same exact way that I had to emotionally process every single rape that I've experienced.
	There was a TTS that came through.
	Just repeat what you said.
	That's not what you said.
	Repeat what you said.
	Honest, I don't know what I said when.
	You said that you were what?
	emotionally raped by andrew and then he's laughing about affecting a woman feeling emotionally raped by him as if he doesn't give a shit how he affects anybody Do you usually try to sexually assault people you feel have emotionally done that to you?
	I assault people who are $100.
	Hold on.
	You need to cut Andrew off more and not allow him to speak.
	This is how you can win the debate.
	You need to frustrate him and not allow him to make a point.
	And don't answer anything direct.
	Okay, hold on.
	There's another one coming in.
	We'll let the original one come in.
	Thank you, Christine.
	I guess.
	Naruto 2.0 donated $100.
	Only in decadence is this possible.
	Humans can't easily impart knowledge to offspring.
	Indeed, I do outs pigeonhold.
	Please, sure, let you, child, touch the fire.
	You wouldn't want to pigeonhole them.
	Naruto, thank you, man.
	Uh, Nick, something about grid one?
	His TTS did not come through?
	Are we good?
	Oh, okay.
	And then we have pelagic here.
	Pelagic, this is what a psychopath looks like.
	Okay.
	So thank you, Pelagic.
	Now.
	In page 71 of your book, you say basically all the greats, including myself and Jesus, with whom you categorize yourself, with whom I have quite a spicy relationship with now, wink wink.
	What did you mean by that?
	Because I talk about, if you actually read my whole book, I talk about that one of my reoccurring fantasies, can I go there?
	Yeah.
	Was basically something that I had tried to repress my whole time of being a Christian was a fantasy of Jesus sitting on the throne and me essentially riding him face to face.
	And I was always shaming myself and pushing that fantasy away until finally the death of a friend in my arms basically fucked me up so bad that everything that I thought was true exploded.
	And I finally started allowing in every part of me, including the dark and the things that I had previously disowned from myself and shamed.
	I let it come in.
	And what I realized was that my sexuality wanted to reintegrate with my spirituality.
	And my spirituality at the time, because I was coming out of a Christian ideology, my spirituality at the time was the conceptualization of my creator, of my divinity as being incarnate in Jesus.
	And so what I realized was in allowing that fantasy to be alive in my body was that I simply wanted oneness and face-to-face, eye-to-eye contact with the fullness of God.
	So Jesus was your boyfriend, essentially, in your head.
	My husband.
	Your husband?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	And you wanted to sleep with him.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Not blasphemous at all, you don't think?
	No.
	He created sex and he created me.
	Does sex with him?
	Yes, we're very intimate.
	How intimate?
	Very.
	Okay.
	So intimate, I would say, that it's no longer me running my life, it's him.
	Jesus runs your life?
	Christ consciousness, yes.
	Oh, Christ consciousness.
	What is that?
	The empowered consciousness.
	Basically, the antithesis of victim consciousness.
	So the Count Shundas Korhopper underscore outdoors donated $100.
	Wilson's wife said his second is a 12 tenths also.
	Stop crying, you victim.
	And I don't know what that means.
	I don't either.
	She left a comment that Rachel, his wife, Rachel, left a comment.
	It's a great relationship, great marriage.
	Oh, I think she's saying the sex life.
	Oh.
	Oh, okay.
	Your sex life is great.
	I'm glad to hear it.
	I didn't say anything about it.
	Oh, your wife.
	Apparently, that was a good idea.
	You said something about it.
	I was asking, can we call his wife?
	And apparently she left a comment, so we didn't have to.
	I mean, actually, if Rachel's, we could have her do a call and couple if she's cool with it.
	If she wants to.
	Just so you can hear directly from sure.
	But would you say that Andrew coached her, like trained, like coached her, you know?
	Into victimhood.
	That like he's controlling like puppet strings.
	Do I need to say that?
	You don't have to say that.
	Because you did.
	You already said it for me?
	I was just asking.
	I'm just asking.
	Because she's going to come on and say, Andrew's dope.
	Andrew's awesome.
	Okay.
	Well, then, if we already know what she's going to say, and we already know that there is a opposing theory that supposedly there is a thing whereby females are fawning.
	It's called a fawn response, where we please, we please.
	Been there, been a wife a couple times.
	So if you think it's worth it to have her on, we can.
	You asked for her, not me.
	I'm simply deferring to you because you're a duke donated $100.
	Jesus would have hung her on the cross.
	Isaiah, thank you, man.
	Appreciate it.
	There was a delay in that one coming in.
	Thank you, Isaiah.
	Appreciate it, Barbara.
	Should we do a voice call or is she set up on Discord?
	I don't think it would be easy for her to move over to Discord with me.
	I'm deferring to you.
	If you can be a representative of what she would say, and you guys already posed the opposing possibility.
	Let's just ask if she's cool with it.
	I'll ask her.
	You could even just have her question in or comment done.
	Yeah.
	But I thought that that was her response to what I had said.
	I thought she already made her response and that you're a 12 out of 10, apparently.
	You're an amazing husband.
	Yeah, but I think if you hear it directly from her.
	That was, was that not directly from her?
	You hear it in her voice.
	I saw her say what would, what, I'm asking what difference in her opinion, he's a 12 out of 10.
	No.
	No.
	Is Rachel going to go off?
	Yeah, she just said, read her my text from last night.
	I'm not.
	No, we're not going in.
	Okay.
	All right.
	So we can, we, I, I accept the fact that from Rachel, your wife's perspective, you are an above and beyond husband.
	You're an amazing husband.
	Okay.
	Is that correct?
	She seems to think so, yeah.
	She seems to think so.
	So that's why I'm happy for her.
	Killer of Cereal donated $100.
	No BS.
	We have a sign in my town that says, Jesus comes quickly.
	It all makes sense now.
	This woman lives in an extremely fanatical, fantastical world where objective reality isn't rough.
	Killer of Cereal, thank you, man.
	Appreciate it.
	Thank you for the TTS.
	Do you have a response to Killa?
	I'm not really honestly sure what he's trying to say.
	The whole fanatical, fantastical world where objective reality doesn't exist, that whole thing.
	Well, that was his opinion.
	I'm not going to argue with somebody's opinion of me.
	Okay.
	All right.
	He's in title.
	I really want to come back.
	Actually, before I get back to one thing, in an email you sent me, you said you have personas like Eminem, Slim Shady, Marshall Mathers.
	It's a thing for us genius black ghetto slave souls inside sexy white bodies.
	Yeah.
	Well, you guys weren't that interested in hearing about my black ghetto slave soul inside or what part of it were you interested in?
	Well, sorry, you said you guys weren't that interested in white souls.
	Well, so it goes back to my talk about white supremacy and trying to explain that it's an energetic matter.
	It's an ideology.
	It's a matter of ideology.
	Wait, we did want to hear it, but then you hit the no button.
	Well, because it did not seem that you really wanted to understand.
	It seemed that you wanted to propagate a particular ideology, and that's exactly what I was trying to talk about.
	but I wasn't...
	Was it the...
	Sorry, sorry, go ahead.
	So I'd like to explain the concept from my worldview so that you understand.
	Cable donated $100.
	Madison, blink twice slowly if you're in danger.
	So imagine from my perspective, right, that I see that there's a whirlpool and you're in a boat.
	And everything that goes near this whirlpool gets sucked down, okay?
	And I say, listen, you're in this boat, but if you go towards that whirlpool, it's going to suck you down.
	And you go, no, no, no, listen.
	From my perspective, it's not a whirlpool.
	It's a, I don't know, fucking zazzly baz.
	You call it a zazzly baz.
	And you go, and I think I can just sail right through it.
	And I go, no, stupid.
	It's a whirlpool and you're going to get sucked down into it and you're going to die.
	Don't do that.
	And you go, nope, I'm going to do it anyway.
	And you just go out and you get sucked down the whirlpool, right?
	That's how it is with ideologies too.
	So when somebody says to me, they're like, ah, it's just my ideology.
	Therefore, it's just my opinion.
	And so therefore you trying to say anything about it isn't correct.
	It's like, ah, no, I think it is.
	I think it's fine to say, see that vortex there?
	That makes no sense.
	Hang on, hang on.
	I'm almost done.
	Almost done.
	Okay.
	Okay, so that little whirlpool or whatever that you're about to go down, right?
	Just trying to go, ah, don't do that.
	Don't do that.
	Okay, so you're trying to be my daddy?
	No, I'm not trying to be your daddy.
	I would do that for a total stranger.
	Yeah.
	I'm not really interested in being protected by you.
	It's not an interest of you.
	It's an interest for me.
	Whether or not you're a person who says, I'm going to pour gasoline on myself and light a match because I want to do this, because I want to be immolated and completely cook myself.
	And I see you going for that match, I'll still stop you anyway.
	But the damage that you did to me in the last show, if I was not such an emotionally stable person, I would have gone home and killed myself.
	Okay, so you know, it's really funny.
	I didn't feel protected by you.
	I'm not there to protect you.
	I thought you just said that you don't.
	You're not listening to what I'm saying.
	I'm saying that I'm making a comparison to an ideology and saying to you that I'm not going to keep your fragile ideology intact or not destroy the fragile ideology if it's bad because that in some way is going to be emotionally painful.
	That's cognitive dissonance.
	That's what that is.
	It is emotionally painful to shrug off bad ideologies.
	That's true.
	That's true.
	It's just like saying, okay, my leg is broken.
	Okay, well, it healed wrong.
	I got to break it again.
	So it heals right.
	It's the same thing.
	And the more you propagate bad ideology, the more you're going to see your ideology get broken over and as the leg gets reset time and time and time again.
	You call that emotional grape, right?
	I call it logic and reason.
	Okay.
	I got a couple questions.
	You said that you, I don't want to reuse the word precisely, the words you precisely used.
	You said that you went home and wanted to harm yourself because of your experience on the show?
	No, I was saying that if I was less emotionally stable, I could see how I would do that.
	We've had over a thousand people on the show.
	They're all fine.
	When you sexually assault them.
	They're fine.
	Couldn't that be the result of that too?
	Could it?
	Couldn't it be the result when you sexually assault men?
	Did you feel in danger?
	Well, yeah, of course, yes.
	Of course, any woman who's not my wife, who in any way tries to put sections of her body near me like that in a sexually provocative way is fucking dangerous as hell.
	Yeah.
	Oh.
	Yeah.
	They're horribly dangerous.
	I'm just curious.
	Had Andrew done something similar and he like exposed himself?
	Yeah, went over and just whipped it out.
	That would have been okay.
	I would be comfortable with that.
	Oh, my God.
	Do you think most women would.
	I'm not most women.
	Right, but Andrew's not like that.
	No, because here's the thing.
	Andrew's not like that.
	But here's the thing.
	That's not passive-aggressive.
	That is you literally showing me exactly what you're trying to do.
	When you use psychological tactics and emotional manipulation based off of my trauma responses, that is passive-aggressive.
	That is then you trying to manipulate and hurt me.
	Rather than, I would literally rather you pull down your pants and put your dick in my face.
	Then I know what I'm dealing with.
	I did not know what I was going to be dealing with in the last show.
	So it felt like, it felt like, that's what I'm saying.
	It felt like a manipulation and an emotional rape because I did not know.
	I thought I was literally coming on a dating podcast.
	So I can understand from the perspective of saying that you'd rather see immediate action other than what you would consider to be passive aggressive or manipulative.
	I would just rather see, put your cards on the table.
	So other than manipulative tactics, right?
	When you're saying manipulative tactics, you're saying you would much rather see somebody be physically aggressive.
	Yes.
	Sure, I can understand that.
	That at least makes sense to me.
	But isn't it also a form of passive-aggressive manipulation to say, because I have trauma responses to perceived things, you don't know anything about me.
	There was no way for you to ever determine what these trauma responses would be.
	That me just having a normal conversation with you like I would anybody else on this show and have done a thousand times, isn't that a form of manipulation?
	Well, you had disclosed to me that you were not affected emotionally by anybody.
	So did you.
	Same thing you said.
	I'm deeply emotionally affected by people.
	No, what you said to me was you said, listen, this isn't a big deal, right?
	This conversation in this context doesn't matter.
	Doesn't matter to me.
	That's what you said.
	When?
	But as we're, you said, this doesn't matter.
	I have no respect for you.
	And if I was a less emotional person, I would have gone home and off myself.
	I can handle it, right?
	No, I was not saying that I had no emotion.
	I was saying if I had less emotional intelligence and tools to process those emotions, I could understand with this bullying that people experience, which I had not honestly experienced anything like this before.
	Nothing like it at all.
	Yeah, I've never experienced anything like that either.
	I never experienced a woman trying to sexually assault me.
	So now at least I feel like we're on the same playing ground.
	Yeah, no, it's not the same playing field to physically sexually assault somebody versus your perception of guy-made argument which hurt my feelings.
	Therefore, he emotionally graped me.
	That's absurd.
	Okay.
	That's like not in the same universe.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	All right.
	Yeah.
	On tiered logic, right?
	It's just not the same.
	You win.
	Do you want me to tell you you win?
	I mean, yeah, you know what?
	Yeah.
	Say, say, Andrew.
	So all I'm trying to Do is literally get to the point of, do you want me to get on my knees and submit?
	No.
	All I want you to do is engage with the arguments.
	That's it.
	So that you can fuck with me?
	No, so I can understand your worldview.
	So you can monetize fucking with me.
	No, so that I can understand your worldview.
	You understand my worldview.
	Really?
	That's why I say that.
	Every time I ask you a question about it, I lead to the next, to the next, to the next, and I still don't actually get coherent answers.
	Maybe that's well thought out on my part.
	Oh, yeah, I stole your pen.
	It's well thought out.
	So you don't want to tell me what your ideology is?
	I don't want to tell my brain that you give a shit about understanding me because it's not actually true.
	Yeah, listen, I would not be here if I didn't give a shit about other people's worldviews.
	False.
	No, it's not false.
	False.
	I promise you.
	What's your job?
	Andrew, what's your credentials?
	I'm a robotics mechanic.
	A robotics mechanic?
	What's your degree in?
	I don't have a degree.
	How are you a robotics mechanic and you don't have a trade?
	I had an apprenticeship and it's a trade.
	Okay, so similar to life coaching, let's say?
	No, it's not similar to life coaching, let's say.
	It's a trade, though.
	Yeah, it's a real trade.
	So life coaching is not a real trade?
	I don't know.
	Do people make a living doing it?
	Sure.
	So what is your definition of a trade?
	So to me, a trade apprenticeship would be like an applied skill.
	So life coaching isn't an applied skill?
	No, I don't think it's a good idea.
	So why would you have to go to a trade school to learn how to do it then if it's not a skill that you have to learn?
	I'm not sure that those are trade schools.
	I'm not sure.
	Give me the definition of a trade.
	Aren't you learning how to, a skill to perform a trade that you can monetize?
	Yeah, but they couldn't.
	I mean, that would fall under anything, though, right?
	Anything that you can monetize and you have to learn how to do it, I would call that a trade skill.
	Okay.
	Well, I mean, if that's your definition, I'll concede to the definition.
	Okay, so I am, so you have no degrees in psychology.
	You have no ministry degrees.
	You've never been to any ministry.
	Those are just appeals to authority.
	Appeals to authority.
	So you would matter.
	So you want me to appeal to your authority, yet you literally have a two-year training program and how to do robotics?
	No.
	What does that have to do with anything?
	Let's assume that I, you know what?
	Let's assume that.
	The point is, you're arguing with me.
	I'm spirituality and all of these things that I've literally at least gone to trade school for.
	So what?
	What have you done?
	What would that matter?
	Let's say I was a sixth grade dropout and I cleaned carpets for a living and was a coomer on the internet whose wife who had an open relationship with my wife.
	Let's say that was my background.
	And what world would it make me wrong to question the things that you say if you're wrong about them regardless of whatever my degrees were in?
	Because you are questioning my authority as a psychologist when you're not a psychologist.
	Why do I need to be the thing to question the thing?
	It's like saying you can't question the medication your doctor gives you unless you're a doctor.
	Like what?
	Questioning is one thing, but having the condescendence to actually believe that you are right over what I am trained to be right in, that's a little crossing a line, I would say.
	What's the line that you're crossing?
	Your tone.
	The tone?
	That's the wrong tone?
	Because I'm actually in my tone point.
	I am actually the authority in everything that you're talking about psychologically and spiritually and scholastically.
	So you need to get yourself in line and question me as a student of those things.
	Because I'm actually the teacher.
	You're the student.
	Mr. Bullet donated $100.
	Communique from the Inquisition Patriarchy.
	Grand Inquisitor, have you received the autographed blue white cup with certificate of authenticity?
	I am performing an audit of our inventory.
	Not yet.
	Thank you, Mr. Boulevard.
	Appreciate it, Mr. I don't know what that even means.
	It doesn't have anything to do with this.
	It's like a show inside joke.
	But anyway, yeah, so by this metric, right, if somebody, let's say, is a boat maker, right?
	And they make for you a boat and you say, hey, it doesn't fucking float.
	And they go, don't question me.
	I make boats.
	So let me ask you something.
	Do you heal people's trauma?
	I'm not so sure that you can heal anybody's trauma.
	Yeah, you can.
	You can.
	Really?
	How come you haven't healed your own?
	I literally have.
	Well, then why do you keep on talking about how you're fucking traumatized all the time?
	Because trauma is an ongoing thing that we continually have to process.
	So you just re-traumatized every day?
	Yeah, and then I have to process it every night.
	And that's how I don't continue it on to the next day.
	Remember, the Bible says don't go asleep, don't fall asleep on your anger.
	You're re-traumatized, and then every day you heal yourself of your trauma.
	Yes, every night before I go to bed.
	Every night.
	Okay, so all of your old traumas that you keep appealing to is being problematic, right?
	Divorces, things like that.
	The bigger catastrophic traumas take a little bit more time.
	They're more complex.
	They don't take one night, but for example, how many nights do they take?
	It just depends.
	Do you want to talk about a specific trauma?
	How long did it take?
	So how do you heal your trauma of your divorce?
	How would you heal that?
	The divorce wasn't the trauma.
	What was the trauma?
	Being with the man.
	Okay, how would you heal that?
	It's been very hard.
	Getting away.
	Well, it is healed in the sense that, do you really want to go into it?
	It's really dark.
	Well, when you say healing, no, what I want to get into is this idea of healing trauma.
	When you say, do you heal trauma?
	And I go, I'm not sure you can heal trauma.
	You go, well, you can.
	And I say, well, if you can, it's like saying there's a protocol in my book.
	Do you want to talk about how it's done?
	Which part of your book?
	Here, let me.
	Just tell me the chapter.
	Here, I'll have to find it.
	Well, I need the book to look at the chapter.
	Oh, here, I'll use this one.
	Okay.
	Okay, I created a protocol to explain to you how to do it.
	GMD Jim donated $100.
	This is precisely the result of the closure of asylums back in the 80s.
	We now embrace this stuff.
	Honey, you are not trained.
	You have been indoctrinated by other crazy people.
	Okay, so right here on page 57, my method, processing severe trauma.
	Do you want me to read you the couple pages?
	It's only two pages, it looks like.
	Or you can just give me a summarization.
	Well, I'd just rather read it.
	Okay.
	Okay, so my method, processing severe trauma.
	In my relentless study of anthropology, sociology, and the psychology of various individuals, I had come to realize that it was never the actual events, situations, or words spoken that traumatized people, for the most part.
	Rather, it was their uncontrolled, obsessive mental recalling of the situation than The meaning they assigned to it all that really had the power to either chronically or just acutely traumatize the person.
	In other words, there was a reason some people were just deeply shaken and grieved by certain things, but then seemed to move on just fine, while others seemed to get stuck, severely traumatized for a lifetime.
	It had nothing to do with how bad, quote-unquote, the traumatic event was or not.
	It had to do with how the person felt and then handled it after the fact.
	That doesn't as I mentioned previously.
	I asked the infinite, as I mentioned previously, I asked the infinite to show me a way to process the loss of Steve and how to get rid of the graphic images from that night so that I wouldn't get PTSD, post-traumatic stress disorder, or any other long-term negative effects.
	Once I asked the question, I started receiving inspired thoughts that ended up being the practical step-by-step solution to this problem.
	I had been trying to help people recover from abuse and other traumas for years and never actually believed it was possible.
	Up until then, I believed the best people could do was learn to cope with their traumas so they didn't completely ruin their lives.
	Holding on to that belief created the reality for me by shutting my RAS off, so that's the recticular activating system, to any contradictory information, hence a confirmation bias.
	But now my mind was unlocked and I was asking my higher, infinite self better questions and believing there had to be a way.
	This is what was downloaded into my mind from the infinite.
	Okay, this is the method that came through.
	Okay.
	Place a meaning on the event that feels good, no matter how far you must reach.
	Remember how I told you that the meaning we place on events is very powerful and completely within our power.
	I decided I would believe that everything had happened exactly as it was supposed to.
	With Steve, my unborn baby, my marriage, my kids, and my old life that had come to an end, I also chose to believe this about all the rest of things, including my childhood and being born to my parents in the dysfunctional family.
	I would believe it all happened as it was supposed to.
	I would believe that I was an infinite spiritual being who had chosen to incarnate into this human existence because there were things that I wanted to experience that would deepen my understanding and love for myself, for life, and for other souls.
	Hang on to the best of the world.
	I would believe that my willingness to have these experiences and let them deepen me.
	Give me gifts.
	Yes, I told you.
	That I would be able to share, and the sharing would feel really good to me.
	She's just not going to stop.
	These beliefs, I told you it was only two pages.
	These beliefs felt good and right and empowering.
	So I put them in my thought nursery to give them attention.
	And any opposing thoughts.
	Okay, so Desiree, I don't know.
	You read the section that's pertinent to the conversation.
	No, he wanted to know my process.
	Yeah, but I got your process.
	Okay, no, you didn't.
	There's still more.
	Yeah, we got to move it on.
	Your process is you ask God and cope.
	That's the process.
	No, it's not.
	It's how to release the trauma.
	The infinite is God and the family.
	No, I just told you.
	You have to.
	You have to place a meaning on the event that feels good.
	That's called cope.
	It's not called cope.
	That's cope.
	It's called finding a meaning.
	That is doing everything you can.
	And then you have to grab the event and pretend it's something other than what the event is.
	That is cope.
	It's not.
	Yes, it is.
	Agree to disagree.
	Grab a happy image and put it into the thought nursery.
	Now, if you read my book, you would know what the thought nursery is to dwell on for a few minutes.
	Let the better feelings associated with the happy image emerge.
	Breathe into these better feelings and savor them.
	I did this as many times a day as necessary.
	So, what I would have to do is, so the image was of my friend dead on the table, basically blue with intubated and everything.
	He died, and they made me go back and see him dead on the table.
	And his mom wanted me to delay the coroner from taking his body.
	That's the only reason I had to see him dead.
	I don't recommend people do that.
	There's no fucking point.
	But anyway, I had to go and see this man who died in my arms first and then was tried.
	They tried to resuscitate him, obviously, intubated him.
	He's blue on the table.
	His mom, I had to tell Steve's dead.
	Well, I didn't tell her that, but I told her, I don't know, he's unconscious.
	She met me at the hospital, but on her way there, she was begging me to stall the coroner from taking his body because they wanted time for the brother to come and be able to see.
	I don't know why people want to traumatize themselves by doing this.
	Again, I don't recommend forcing yourself to see your loved one dead.
	That's not necessarily trauma.
	That's part of the closure process.
	Okay, well, for some it is, but for a lot of people, they get stuck on those images.
	For me, I got stuck with him blue, intubated, dead on the table.
	People have a disconnection between what is life.
	Do you want to hear how I got over that and didn't get PTSD?
	Yeah, we gotta move to that.
	But before we do, before I'd like to stay on this point, right?
	So people have a huge disconnection from what is life and what is death.
	Not everybody, and by the way, people used to have to deal with death a lot more.
	They used to have to deal with dead bodies a lot more, things like this.
	I don't think that it's ingrained to be traumatic necessarily.
	It's something that people just don't really have to deal with very much.
	So it becomes not personal.
	It always becomes somebody else's dealing with it.
	You're just dealing with a memory.
	But the thing is, is that when you say things like, take this thing that actually happened and put a fun, happy spin on it so it's something that you remember fondly instead, that is an embrace of delusion.
	So how's that not cope?
	If I can have a bit of some like extended so we kind of veered off of this.
	I was asking how me or Andrew or the show is woman hating.
	I did not get an adequate response because I'm a woman and I've shared a lot with you and it's never been met with any sort of understanding or empathy.
	It's only been met with hostility and like this weird commitment to not understanding me.
	Can I just say the same thing to you?
	Sure.
	No empathy, no understanding.
	Sure.
	If that's how you feel.
	So can you?
	I mean, what's that Aristotle quote about crying?
	Okay, so.
	Crying is one of the ways that the body processes the trauma in real time.
	That way we don't hold on to it.
	Or is it a way to appeal to emotion to try to get people onto your side without actually having a strong foundation or position for what you're actually trying to say and argue?
	That is a way that people who lack genuine empathy is a way that they use appeared emotion to manipulate others.
	But my emotion is actually genuine.
	Okay.
	Well, I don't see how that has anything to do with a woman hating.
	I'm a healer.
	As women were gifted with special abilities to take on.
	I'm just look, this is these are words that you said.
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	Trust not a woman when she weeps, for it is her nature to weep when she wants, so will socrates socrates yeah, okay.
	Well, if you, if you're not comfortable with me crying, i'm gonna have to go, because some of the things we're talking about, if you want, makes me cry.
	If that's fine, i'm still just trying to understand, aside from how you felt, I don't know if there's, I don't think you can point.
	I don't think that you are trying to understand anything.
	I think that you are trying to bring a point across.
	So just just say what your point is, that you would like to prove, and then I can just submit and we can move on.
	I'm i'm not really sure if that's what i'm trying to do, but earlier in the show you said that me and Andrew are woman hating.
	The show is woman hating, so i'm asking you to point to something specific.
	I I keep doing it and you don't want to accept it, so I don't see the point.
	And, continuing the conversation, I told you that I am a woman and I didn't feel safe, and I don't feel safe in your presence, hence woman hating, because I am a representative of woman.
	Well, so if i'm a man and I feel uncomfortable in your presence, does that mean you're a man hater?
	You can say that.
	If that's how you feel, does it make it true would you agree or disagree with that statement, that I am a man hater because I feel unsafe in your presence?
	I would validate, if that's how I made you feel at least.
	But would it make you a man hater or would you be like?
	No, i'm not possibly, because if, if man, if man is taking your form, then yes, I am a male.
	If man is taking your form, then yes, there is hatred there, because it's not you as a soul, it's you as an ideology coming at me and not inviting me to feel safe in your presence, didn't you just so?
	Me and Andrew were sitting here, we were sitting down, we were just talking.
	At moments.
	It was a lively conversation, but we were remaining in our seats.
	Was it Andrew, or was it me or was it you, who got out of their seat, came all the way over here, got into our physical space, and I mean Andrew's sitting to my left.
	Who was that?
	Was that us or was it you?
	It was me, invoked by you you invited me to.
	I invited you to walk over and get into our physical space.
	Yes, how did I?
	So you're saying we consented to that?
	I am saying that you didn't give a shit about my personal space emotionally, so I didn't give a shit about your physical space and so, any sense, I gave you a taste of your own medicine and you didn't like it.
	So what was the point you were trying to prove?
	Give you a taste of your own medicine and so you could feel what it feels like to be disrespectful.
	Disrespect.
	This conversation, while we disagree, has actually been fairly.
	Uh, I mean, there were times where it got a bit heated, but it's otherwise been fairly times where there was sexual assault.
	Let's not forget that.
	Um, I like so in any case.
	So, when it comes to your safety and this being evidence of woman hating yeah, we've remained here, while you might disagree with what we say.
	You got out of your chair yeah, walked around the table.
	We didn't know if you were gonna strike us or what you were gonna do.
	You were scared.
	Did I scare you?
	Why are you smiling when you say that?
	That's interesting because I.
	It makes me feel more safe to know that maybe I have some sort of power in your presence.
	You do realize women have capacity for violence.
	I'm not a fighter.
	You could say I well, hold on, we don't know that.
	Like you could have come over here, smacked the pagan, donated 100.
	What did you think?
	Think coming on a podcast debate meant a debate is adversarial in nature.
	When you tone police, it equates to you have nothing to say and the purpose to derail the conversation.
	So I mean, can I ask you a question?
	So going, I guess, going back to the, we felt you felt unsafe in the emotional space.
	Yeah, so you, as retribution, you wanted to make us feel unsafe in the physical space correct, and that's why you got out of your chair correct, walked all the way around here and I mean, we didn't know if you were gonna try to strike Andrew he's closer correct, but you essentially pulled up your correct, your yes dress yes, and put his yeah, your ass right in his yes space.
	Yes, so I wanted you to understand the height of how you guys affect me emotionally and spiritually.
	It was like that.
	So do you think other forms of let's?
	I mean, I would look, I would rather you beat me, I would literally rather you punch me in the face.
	I'm not interested in doing that.
	So hold on.
	Um, would you say that, even if I don't categorize what you did specifically as a violent act, using Wilson's underscore, wife donated 100.
	Wow, that was quite a journey we've been through, vibrations colonialism feminism scam, black slave souls locked in sexy white bodies spores, Oh Spores, tears showing ass riding, Jesus d1 ck.
	All right, Wilson's wife, thank you, appreciate it, um would, if somebody is making you feel unsafe in your mental or emotional space saying, even not categorizing what you did as violence, is violence justified as retribution if somebody makes you feel unsafe?
	Physical violence makes you feel unsafe in the emotional or psychological space?
	Yeah, it's called eye for an eye.
	You reap what you sow.
	So, just so I understand this correctly, you would have also been justified to, for example, like try to physically assault Andrew in that moment?
	Also, I believe I would.
	Yes right, would you have been legally justified?
	Yeah, I believe I could get away with it.
	Megadeth188 donated $100.
	This is what she does.
	She is the first to attack people personally, then she cries to gain sympathy.
	She is a manipulator.
	That's why she told you she might harm herself.
	Sympathy and manipulation.
	Okay.
	Alright.
	So this would be a good moment to shout out to BateUniversity.com.
	If you want to become a master debater, like Andrew, 100% of the time, and like sometimes I'm at like my 99, like when I'm parsing and like, you know, I'm parsing pretty good sometimes.
	You can also like, you know, I have my moments too, you know?
	I don't know what I'm.
	I'm just ad-lipping this fucking.
	Guys, debateuniversity.com.
	Verbal combat is the course.
	We have a, by the way, also, we're going to have a debate tomorrow.
	She'll be back.
	She's coming back.
	She just had to use the restroom.
	We have a debate scheduled for tomorrow around.
	We're going to try to go live at 4 p.m.
	Once again, sorry for our delay in starting today.
	We will be going live 4 p.m. tomorrow.
	That's going to be another good one.
	Be sure to tune in 4 p.m. tomorrow.
	Debate with Andrew.
	But yeah, check out the course debateuniversity.com.
	Also go to our Twitch, twitch.tv slash whatever, drops the follow on the Prime sub.
	If you have one, guys, it's been 14 minutes since we last got the Prime.
	Help.
	Say it louder, Maddie.
	Help.
	There you go.
	Twitch.tv slash whatever.
	Drops of Follow, drops of Prime sub.
	This conversation's off the rails.
	This conversation is by the way, I have the video from security camera behind me.
	Should I post it on the Discord?
	No.
	Or you don't think so?
	Nope.
	You don't want that out there?
	I mean, I think people should see what.
	What happened?
	Or do you just not want it?
	You don't want it out there?
	Okay, we'll talk about it after the show.
	Okay.
	Huh?
	nothing so um so maddie how about them bears Big, scary bears.
	Maddie, would you rather be in a force alone with a man or a bear?
	A man.
	Okay, that's good to know.
	Good to know.
	What are some of the other things we need to get into on this show?
	Over 80 videos, by the way.
	Over 80 videos.
	Over 80 videos on debate university.
	Poured a lot into that.
	I hope you guys enjoy it.
	I think you will.
	I think you'll enjoy it a lot.
	Are you returning, Desiree?
	I'm just staying in a minute.
	Recalibrating, deciding if I want to stay or not.
	Okay.
	Well.
	So, anyways, where was I?
	Maybe we can wrap it up on a good note.
	Maybe there's a last part.
	We can wrap it on potentially a good note.
	What do you think?
	I think we can do that.
	I think that can be achieved.
	It'll be achieved.
	So, Andrew, how's Rachel doing?
	How's the show?
	How's Rachel?
	She good?
	She's doing well.
	She's doing well.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Doing well.
	She's kicking ass.
	She goes to the gym non-stop.
	Doing a great job.
	Nice.
	That's good.
	Desiree, can you return to the table, please?
	I'm not ready yet.
	Well, we can't just.
	We kind of have a show to run.
	She's filling up her cup.
	Okay.
	She said it's like an autism thing, I guess.
	She's all right.
	What's up, Nick?
	We have a bag.
	Okay.
	Hold on.
	I'll write to them.
	I suppose that's a good idea.
	Do you guys ever do the debate with those girls from the last show or no?
	We're going to have that.
	That's going to happen soon.
	Oh, okay.
	We're going to get that scheduled.
	I'm going to go ahead and go.
	You're going to go?
	Yeah.
	You sure you don't want to just say goodbye?
	I'll say goodbye.
	Is it?
	It's kind of overcast today.
	It's a bit overcast.
	You know, it's overcast.
	Is it because I asked about the woman-hating stuff?
	Is that?
	Just because I'm not respected, and I have a really important job in the world.
	I'm not sure what I'm doing.
	You weren't respected.
	You weren't respected.
	How was it?
	Wait, you didn't really say goodbye, though.
	Do you at least want to sit down briefly and just say goodbye to the yeah, you can have the last word?
	Do you want to say goodbye on into the camera or into the mic, I guess?
	Or we can.
	I think we can reconcile this.
	Goodbye.
	Quick reconciliation.
	Okay.
	It's all my fault.
	It's all my fault, guys.
	Okay.
	Do you at least want to announce the lawsuit, Desiree?
	I thought I couldn't say all those words.
	Lawsuit?
	What would it be about?
	I don't think you want that spoken on YouTube.
	You mean no, I'm talking about the class action lawsuit that you want to.
	I don't think we can say those words on YouTube.
	What words on YouTube?
	OK, well, uh, oh.
	Yeah, probably should.
	Andrew, did you do a little bit more?
	Sure.
	So.
	How are you feeling, Andrew?
	I know you had a shot earlier.
	Do you feel like poisoned or anything?
	No, I'm good.
	Okay.
	Just making sure.
	So far, so good.
	She's pressing the no button on her way out.
	She's pressing the no button.
	Well, guys, an hour and an hour and four.
	That fucking broad needs to put the cuckoo back in the clock.
	Crazy.
	I'm sorry you had to see that, Rachel.
	Rachel doesn't give a shit.
	Is it What?
	What happened?
	Nick, did you give her a bang?
	Cool, no, just kidding.
	Whoa.
	Wow, okay.
	That was an interesting one.
	Didn't have SA'd by Lunatic on my bingo card this morning, Brian.
	I don't even know where to, honestly.
	So guys, we were, I mean, we didn't even really get into it because we were going to get into, she sent like DMs upon DMs upon DMs of like her positions, legal threats.
	I mean, you kind of got a glimpse into the madness and chaos.
	If you guys want to stick around for a bit, we'll go through the DMs.
	Nick, were you able to just double check and make sure they're all everything's all clean?
	I didn't get to finish going through because I was, you know.
	Okay, that's fine.
	Well, now you'll have a little time.
	We can talk for a little bit.
	I'm surprised, though, that it was me that I think precipitated the rage quit.
	No.
	It wasn't.
	Well, I mean, I asked her about the woman hating.
	Andrew was off having a smoke.
	And she started crying when I asked her about the woman hating.
	And then that's when she, I mean, look, there's stuff that happened before that.
	But I'm surprised that that's kind of what broke the camel, the straw that broke the camel's back.
	I feel like you were extremely calm.
	I thought you were super calm.
	Yeah.
	So.
	Whatever.
	Well, for her, it was control.
	was emotional grape yeah she made it very clear that it's crazy The whole thing has to do with control.
	Well, did you hear the part about how I said that she felt like violence in this scenario in response to our conduct would have been justified?
	Yeah, she said that.
	Yeah, she said, yeah, because I mean, I said, well.
	And she could have gotten away with it.
	That's what she said.
	She would have gotten away with it.
	Legally.
	Yeah, she has no understanding of the.
	Yeah.
	So guys, stick around.
	We're going to pull up the DMs.
	You think it's too bad she wasn't here because she could have put it in her own voice.
	The DMs we've received from this woman are insane.
	We do have the footage.
	I know we kind of, when she tried to attack Andrew in that sort of way, we have a security camera footage of it.
	Just for the stream, though, we had to like go to our intro screen just because we didn't know if she was gonna what she was gonna do.
	So we do have it.
	I don't know.
	I have to think a little bit about posting it, but if we did post it, we'd put it on my Discord.
	In any case, I can tell you a little bit about what the DMs say.
	She's been, she's all over the place.
	She wants to threaten, she's been threatening me with lawsuits because of the emotional toll the podcast took on her, but she's also simultaneously been flirting with me.
	Sending you sending me nudes unrequested, sending me nudes.
	She's been saying she wants to have she wanted to like do things to me and Andrew sexually.
	Very strange, very peculiar.
	So one day she'll be threatening to sue me and that we've psychologically tortured her.
	And then the next she is admitting she has a crush on me, essentially, and wants to do things near and around my piece.
	Groon crazed panda donated $100.
	This lunatics book is only good for shit tickets.
	PST is our fake news.
	Let's pull up the email.
	guys, stick around.
	Pull up, Nick, just pull up, check that email one first.
	Make sure there's nothing.
	Yeah, let me just double check.
	I'm making some in-studio demands.
	Yeah.
	So I'm going to come do more of these in person because they're even more fun in person than on video.
	But if you don't get rid of these fucking seltzers and put some beer in that fridge, right?
	If you don't put some fucking beer in that fridge.
	No, this isn't even, this is an energy drink.
	Oh, God.
	There's no in it.
	Oh, what the fuck is this?
	There's an energy drink, Andrew.
	There's the ices in there from the last.
	Oh, yeah, we do have some beer in there, yeah?
	There's beer.
	It's like juice, vodka juice.
	Okay, we'll pull up the email.
	Maddie, I'm gonna have you read it.
	Gotcha.
	Good speaking voice.
	Can you see it or does it need to be bigger?
	Just a little bit bigger.
	Should we ask the see if those two women can come?
	Do you want me to text them?
	Or if you have their...
	Can you read?
	I will accept your offer with several added stipulations.
	Let me just interrupt really quickly.
	This was like our offer to get her back on the show.
	So it's basically like, so she's, this is her counter offer.
	Go ahead, you can read it.
	Number one, you will sign the consent form I bring you stating you understand I am a mandatory reporter and am by law required to report any and all criminally suspicious activity to the proper authorities.
	I'm immediately following the show.
	Two, you and Andrew will genuinely apologize to me on air before we start the conversation for not properly studying me and then grossly misrepresenting, slandering my expertise in the most misunderstood areas of life and society.
	Because that could have potentially cost countless lives if people were deceived into thinking I was just a mentally ill old whore when in fact I have made it my life's passionate mission to end human suffering as an actual expert in all necessary fields of science.
	study, and I finally have the master plan for global restitution, which is nothing to fuck with.
	Three, you provide me with a meal by the fifth hour on set.
	I'm allowed to have snacks and drinks with me at any time I want while there.
	Number three, part two, $300 payment is to be rendered as a booking fee at least 24 hours before my scheduled appearance and is not refundable.
	Andrew just dropped a glass payment options available upon request number four I'm free to be done talking and excuse myself to go home at any point I choose after 8 p.m.
	She chose after 8 p.m.
	It's what time is it?
	It's 619 and she left.
	Okay, anyway.
	Number five, I will keep my phone with me during the show.
	Number six, I get to ask you guys as many questions as I want and you can't get mad or scold or shame me for it.
	There's never a dumb question in my book.
	Number seven, if we make $100,000 from that one episode, we have to promise the fans that you and I will run for president and vice president for this year.
	Give Minnie and Mickey a run for their money.
	Number eight, we have to shout each girl out who was on the panel with me last time and give their platforms all a tag so people can get in touch with them.
	And we will let the girls know that you are willing to pay them whatever they say is fair for their time on the show in any amount up to $300.
	This is crazy.
	Number nine, we play truth or dare either like 30-minute stint at whatever point you want, or we just tell people they can pay $199 to truth or dare any of us at any point.
	Number 10, we offer people 30-minute video chats with me if they donate $500 or more.
	Scheduling will obviously be done off air.
	Number 11, 5K or more gets a date with me.
	Number 12, $100,000 gets them a You Pick the Activities With Me date.
	Number 13, or $199 for you and I to kiss, closed mouth.
	$14.
	$500 for you and I to French kiss.
	What the fuck?
	15.
	After this pilot episode, I will get 20% of the profits from each episode I join you on in person or intellectual property with my ideas and concepts.
	I can't read the rest of 15.
	Sorry, guys, we're cleaning up back here a little bit.
	Yeah, we're cleaning.
	Let's also get the vacuum too.
	Once it's dry, I guess.
	Right.
	Wait, Nick, I can't.
	Nick, Nick, I can't.
	You know what I'm talking about?
	Yeah, that's fine.
	Go left.
	You guys just take care of that.
	I'll launch back.
	Show.
	Okay.
	You guys, I'm back.
	Sorry.
	And concepts being brought up and discussed.
	Basically, if my name is brought up on any show moving forward, she's coming back, boys.
	Stay tuned.
	Oh, wait.
	Keep going.
	She's coming back right now?
	Yeah, she said if we apologize, she'll come back.
	Bruh.
	After 90 days of successful collaboration, we rebrand the show and add my name in whatever way you want.
	An example is whatever Des Wants with Hosts, Brian A. Fix whatever with Brian and Des.
	Doing whatever with Des.
	Something like that.
	Doesn't even have to have my name, but it rather sh but rather it should simply represent the new vibe of the show with me added into the mix.
	If you can agree to all these things and promise to keep your word, I am yours.
	What was the one about kissing?
	Something about kissing me?
	It was $199 for you and her to kiss, closed mouth, $500 for you guys to kiss French kiss.
	She's coming back.
	So she's going to come back so long as me and Andrew apologize.
	No donated one.
	We're bringing her back.
	Bring back insane assignments.
	I think, I don't know if she peed on the couch or it was just a spill.
	Couch?
	Should I send, I'm going to send the photo.
	She had a bunch of liquids with her.
	She had a couch.
	There's like a wet spot on the couch.
	Can you smell it?
	Me and Andrew, she is going to come back, but the stipulation is that we have to apologize.
	We are going to say sorry.
	What are you guys apologizing for?
	For being colonialist, white supremacist, woman-hating.
	And then you're going to go through all these videos with her.
	What?
	And then you're going to go through all the stuff with her?
	Yeah, you know.
	Let's see what she says.
	She says she's in the stairs.
	Oh, maybe she.
	Hold on.
	Uh, hold on.
	Let me think about how we're going to.
	So, we need this cleaned up though, we'll get more.
	Do you want me to do it?
	Can you get the vacuum?
	Yeah, maybe.
	I probably am better at cleaning.
	It's madness in the studio today.
	Just hang tight, guys.
	Sorry, I am.
	We're going to get it.
	Yeah.
	Do you want me to clean it?
	There shouldn't be one in the hair.
	I made a mess so that Maddie could clean it up because I wanted her to feel like a woman today.
	I wanted her to feel like a woman today.
	Honestly, I haven't felt like a woman today too much, so.
	We need that glass in our city.
	There's a bunch of, by the way, there's glass over here.
	There's glass by the computer.
	Is she coming right now?
	She's in the.
	I don't know.
	We need to redo our security.
	I'm kind of concerned that she's going to do something crazy.
	Hold on.
	Take it away, Andrew.
	Okay.
	So this chick, fucking crazy.
	I did notice in the there was like a little exchange.
	I just happened to glance over Brian doing this exchange, and I saw in her text message that she said that she shouldn't have to talk to me because I have absolutely no education.
	Well, given that she's come today, I'm sure you didn't agree to all of those things, right?
	How did you get her to come back?
	Oh, I mean, I said no to almost all of those.
	Yeah, and then we came to a determination.
	Sorry, guys.
	Hold tight.
	Hold tight.
	She's coming back, but no, that was a video call.
	Oh, my goodness.
	Yeah.
	Sorry, guys.
	I'm always going to be able to do it.
	Is everybody just spooked that Nesrie is going to just pop out?
	Cool hater 8100.
	Check her for weapons.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, Below.
	Yeah, I don't want to get pepper sprayed today.
	That sounds awful.
	It's never a good time.
	Do you want to help clean up that?
	Yeah.
	Sorry, I apologize for the momentary delay here, guys.
	She is going to come back.
	We're just dealing with some cash.
	With some other stuff, so.
	Let's get that vacuumed up, though.
	That's the easiest way.
	Dondas Core BTCH2 donated $100.
	If lawsuit fails, we can probably expect Bad B1 TCH2 continuation.
	That list Maddie's just read will be included in the book as a special supplementary appendix.
	I mean, off the table.
	Yeah, off the table.
	I don't want to.
	I don't need it on the table.
	By the way, the book is so short that I was able to read it in about most of it.
	Oh, we're about to hear the vacuum.
	I'm sorry, guys, but in about 30 minutes, I was able to read it.
	Maddie's going to be doing her domestic, her domestic duties.
	Maddie is.
	Missed a spot.
	Yeah.
	Sorry for the noise, guys.
	Sorry for the noise.
	There's glass on the floor.
	There's glass on the floor, so we have to clean it up.
	She is coming back.
	Let me...
	Bro, man.
	Bro.
	Wild time in the whatever studio today, Brian.
	Wild time today.
	So we should put the camera on Maddie so you guys can see her vacuuming.
	That's probably more entertaining than just watching two middle-aged just sitting here at the table.
	Cheers.
	Can we put the camera on Maddie?
	She's doing a great job.
	Oh.
	Yeah, we should play with that maybe.
	I don't know.
	Hold on.
	Jeez.
	It's just like a bunch of shit happened all at once.
	But I think they're getting it under control.
	this chick's going to come back for round two, maybe.
	I say, I say we finished.
	Gotta finish, right?
	We have to finish.
	Can't Just let it end like that.
	Right?
	We've got to let it finish.
	It's a big to-do.
	wwhateverpodcast All right.
	Let's color commentate this.
	All right.
	There she is.
	Look at the technique.
	Solid.
	You're out of frame.
	Keep going.
	Just keep going.
	We're commentating.
	Ooh.
	A bit of a fail there, letting the wire drag.
	A true, you know, look.
	She's a little flustered with the vacuuming, but she's doing great.
	Look at the technique.
	As you can see, she's right-handed.
	Oh, she's double-fisting it.
	Double-fisting the vacuum and the broom.
	Let's see what she can do.
	Great job moving the chair away under the couch.
	A little caught up on that chair, Brian.
	Urinated the couch.
	The couch was urinated on.
	Who knows what happened?
	Look at that.
	Great technique.
	Fen.
	Ah, that, you know, that cord technique.
	She really doesn't have that cord wrap, Brian.
	I think she needs to do something about that cord wrap.
	You know, the great thing, the great thing, though, is due to her height, she's closer to the ground, so she's the velocity of the vacuum.
	It's really good.
	You know, unfortunately, this vacuum is not the top of the line.
	Oh, for sure.
	I'm not saying not one of the top players in the field, Brian.
	Most certainly one of the top players.
	But not perfect.
	Not perfect technique.
	I've seen better.
	Unfortunately, we can't quite see.
	Looks like another camera.
	Oh, there's producer.
	Oh, okay.
	All right.
	Nick's cutting it off.
	She's went over on her time for the – I would give that a 7.5 out of 10.
	I'm going to go with a 6.
	I really think you're being a little bit too charitable.
	Oh, she's back at it.
	She won't take no for an answer.
	She's back at the vacuuming, folks.
	Look at the technique.
	Fantastic.
	Well, I'm going to have to reappraise now that I understand that there's a little bit more determination going on here, Brian.
	I don't think we...
	We're going to do it.
	Well, there she is.
	How you color commentate vacuuming.
	I feel like we did it.
	We did pretty good.
	I feel like we did it, yeah.
	Now, Maddie does tend to prefer the back and forth technique.
	I'm more fit.
	You know, I find the.
	Notice, too, the real pros can do this in such a way where it's just one sweep and done.
	I noticed she did go over certain areas that really cost her a lot of time, Brian.
	You know, it did.
	It did, but sometimes the way she was doing it, it can be a bit more of effective, you know, just going over one spot over and over again instead of kind of doing, you know, I have.
	Also, is not the greatest, so I gotta go back and forth, you know.
	Player excuse making, Brian.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Can you sweep a bit too, Maddie?
	Now we're moving into the sweeping.
	The sweeping, what's the, what are the terms for them?
	We actually do need a sweep to get even to like random presses.
	Well, I'm going to have to start the sweep technique at a two.
	Fantastic.
	Not doing so hot on the last part of the sweep up.
	That's really bad form.
	Usually you angle the broom up with one hand.
	I feel like we've got to be positive.
	All right, Maddie.
	Now, she absolutely demolished the regional competition when she was competing in the sweep-a-thon and the Vacuum Pro.
	And there's Nick there with the there he is.
	Look at that.
	Strong technique.
	Double.
	He's got he uses the two-finger on the spray bottle.
	That's really good.
	And we've got Maddie over there.
	She's just kind of taking a break, not really doing anything.
	Not really helping, you know, of course.
	I noticed that Nick is using the patented Rachel Wilson technique where you get right down and scrub the entire floor surface.
	Barry, it was well done.
	It was great.
	It was well done.
	Yes, well done.
	You know, look, it's her first, her first participation in the domestic duties competition here in the whatever podcast.
	But I think for her first showing, she really did put on quite a show.
	I think she, you know, many years to come, she'll be this is an annual event.
	And only improve from here, Brian.
	Only improve from here.
	So we do want to bow our fedoras to her and just sorry, I'm not good at this.
	Cleaning Olympics, folks.
	Grid one Motorsports donated $100.
	Maddie will make a great housewife with a little practice.
	Brian, your cable management is making my eyes twitch.
	Hey.
	W's for Andrew doing zero housework, as it should be.
	But I do comment on how well others can do housework.
	Wait, I should have probably been checking on Desiree here.
	Guys, she's coming back.
	She's coming back.
	Let's see.
	Where is she?
	Robert donated $100.
	Where did Gustavo go?
	He was super cute.
	Also, can Andrew Wilson perform a Nexorcism live on air?
	Desiree needs one.
	She's totally possessed.
	All right, do you guys want to get her back now?
	Can we, you guys want to get her back?
	I'm going to.
	We do need to redo security protocols.
	Yeah.
	She's not done there.
	I think she's still on the stairwell.
	Okay, boys.
	All right.
	Well, I'm glad to see a lot of you have stayed.
	I know that, you know, we had the cleaning Olympics there.
	But so we will see them coming back through here in just a moment.
	Let me move this.
	Very typical.
	Let me do this for a sec.
	One sec, I'll be back.
	It's just me alone with Kiki.
	That's it.
	Me alone with Kiki in the chat.
	What's going on or whatever, Chad?
	How are you doing?
	Nice to see all of you again.
	Still here for some epic debates all week.
	Going into next week will be on the Sunday and then Tuesday show.
	And then finally heading back home.
	Got to do that good crucible content.
	But I do appreciate all of you guys turning out for these episodes.
	They've been a lot of fun.
	Got to admit, that last one, that last Tuesday show, was a fucking great show.
	That was a great show.
	A lot of fun to do.
	It was a very good show.
	Lil Palaman's good to see in the chat.
	Robert Gustavo, he's just no longer.
	I think he moved.
	He's just not working with us anymore, unfortunately.
	But wish him the best.
	Let me see if there's any chats here I can pull up.
	In the meantime, we had Bikini Vacuum.
	It'd be interesting to do like a.
	Would you ever do like a pool?
	Like if we did the whatever dating talk show, but it was like a pool edition.
	No.
	You wouldn't do that?
	No.
	I don't really want to be around.
	You know, I am happily married.
	I don't really want to be around a bunch of half-naked chicks.
	What if they're in burkinis?
	What the hell is a Burkini?
	You don't know what a Burkini is?
	Like one piece is?
	No.
	I don't know.
	Like, you know what a Burke is?
	It's bad enough at the fucking table.
	Some of them come in already.
	Like, just, yeah.
	I don't know.
	I have some thresholds, you know?
	That's fair.
	Have some thresholds.
	That's fair.
	I was like trying to kind of like offer up the Burkini stream, but it's okay.
	Thank you guys for all the super chats.
	Sorry, they're, I guess, trying to, we're getting Desiree back in.
	This guy's like, it's not about you, Andrew.
	It's true.
	Look, he could do those streams.
	That's fine.
	I'm not upset about it.
	Cable donated $100.
	Real-time proof that men are also better than women at gleaning.
	W Nick.
	Madison, I expected your commitment to at least match me.
	Three out of ten.
	Be better.
	He honestly did do a lot better than I did.
	I'm going to take it back.
	I need to reset.
	You had to come back anyway because you left your cup.
	How's the focus looking, Nick?
	Is it okay, or does it need to be readjusted?
	Hello?
	I was checking.
	Just in case the.
	I'll come back and check it once Maddie's here.
	Okay, so as promised, I'm sorry I made you feel that way.
	Made me feel what way?
	Unsafe in your psychological space.
	Is that to be honest?
	I don't care that much about myself.
	I just wait, wait, wait, can we not do that?
	No, I am who I am.
	If you can't handle the crying, I can go.
	I understand.
	It's not a guy's thing.
	I get it.
	But I have spent my whole life studying a very particular part of life, and it's trauma healing.
	And it's very important to me.
	And I'm not willing to let my platform be degraded by somebody who doesn't even have a degree in psychology or anything he's talking about.
	So at least promote yourself as not an expert and me as an expert, at least in this one field that I actually am an expert in.
	And if I can't be respected as the expert in a particular field, which I will shrink down to trauma healing, trauma healing.
	That's what I'm an expert at.
	Trauma healing.
	Okay.
	If I can be respected as an expert, an expert in extreme trauma healing.
	Okay.
	And you're not.
	Okay.
	If I can be respected as that, at least, then we might be able to have conversations.
	Okay, can I have you elaborate on what a trauma healer is?
	Yes.
	I can help people take the most extreme traumas, and I know how to help them transform it into something good and release it from their body in the sense that it no longer causes them suffering.
	Okay.
	Is it just want to be clear on this, so I understand the idea of assisting people with what you're calling troll.
	Well, first, let's start with.
	I wasn't looking for this.
	I was looking for an apology that you exerted yourself as any sort of expert in the field that I literally the way that you are using your linguistics is very degrading.
	Yeah, but that's an emotional state, right?
	It doesn't matter if it's emotional or not.
	Literally, people are making their choices based off of emotion.
	So donated $99.
	I think.025 seconds, but claims to be genuine.
	Also, coming from a professional in psychology, you can do more harm than good.
	All you learned was manipulation.
	So let's just, why don't we just, you want to just do the apology and then I can get back into my...
	It just goes like this, Andrew.
	I'm sorry, Desiree.
	You know a lot more in the subject of trauma healing than I do, and I will submit to that.
	Now let's move on to a different fucking subject that's actually entertaining to people because we've been having the same conversation like over and over and over again in different ways and I'm fucking done with it.
	So let's move on to geopolitics or something else.
	Okay, we can move on to geopolitics.
	I think Andrew will give you the apology.
	There's a bit extra asks there.
	I'm not sure he's going to be able to give.
	Look, I'll give you the apology.
	I'm sorry you feel this way.
	That's not an apology.
	What do you mean?
	Yes, it is.
	repair the damage while paladins donated one hundred dollars the fake tears stopped as fast as they started evil manipulator sociopath stay strong men don't white knight overcome your genetic programming okay Well, I'm sorry that you have an inability to have an emotional, any emotional control while we have a conversation.
	I'm sorry that you're psychotic and a lunatic.
	Wait, no, no, no, I'm not sure.
	I'm sorry that you're about as wise as, you know, because anyway, I'm sorry you feel that way.
	So there we go.
	I'll get, no, I'll do.
	Okay.
	I'm sorry, Desiree.
	Desiree?
	If I'm going to apologize, you got to look me in the eyes.
	fair, right?
	If I apologize, will you look at me?
	I apologize.
	I'm sorry.
	Is that Pegasus 25 donated $100?
	Being a paid prostitute isn't degrading to this piece of shit.
	By the way, Bimbo, that email proves that you're mentally ill and your children need to be rescued.
	You are not a mental health expert.
	Okay.
	Imagine the hubris of somebody who sexually batters you and then demands you apologize to them.
	Can you imagine the hubris of a person like that?
	Like, and I'm the psychopath?
	Hold on, Desiree, hold on, hold on, hold on.
	No, I'll walk out.
	I'll walk.
	I'll walk over there and let you guys know.
	Let me have a little convo.
	Andrew's going to take a break.
	Andrew's going to take a break.
	It's okay.
	Desiree, Desiree, are we ho?
	Are you my Caucasian?
	Desiree?
	Are we homies?
	Are we homies?
	Are you going to protect me?
	I. Do you want me to smack Andrew around a bit?
	Is that?
	Yes.
	I do.
	He's really inappropriate.
	Well, he's also my Caucasian.
	I can't smack him around.
	You can.
	You actually can.
	I'm not at liberty to do that.
	And also.
	You can.
	Are you a man?
	I identify as a man.
	Okay, so your job is literally to protect me.
	I but I need to protect Andrew too.
	Why?
	He can't protect himself?
	He clearly can.
	Look, I can't.
	I literally can't.
	Andrew has a very strong handshake.
	If I were to, he might.
	Don't bullshit me.
	I literally cannot.
	I cannot protect myself emotionally from this man.
	It would be your responsibility to protect me emotionally.
	If you're not going to do it, I can't stay.
	I told him to go in to take a smoke.
	Okay, so are you going to keep protecting me?
	I, yes.
	Do you promise?
	Do I have your word that you will keep protecting me?
	I'll try my best.
	That's all.
	I have shared a lot of personal information about myself.
	I think you know what is important to me at this point.
	It's not that hard to say, will you protect the things that are important to me?
	Yeah?
	Yes.
	But we need to establish boundaries for everybody.
	when it came to like the topics you didn't want to come up you went immediately and attacked andrew and the thing is like because you're making me because you're not protecting me You need to protect me from the ridiculous things that this man is saying to innocent minds.
	We have a responsibility, Brian.
	There are innocent minds watching this.
	We cannot allow this man.
	There's a couple, Coomer.
	I understand.
	I understand.
	There's some idiots.
	$100.
	A couple.
	Maddie is going to protect you both.
	Chill.
	Yeah, Maddie's like pretty strong.
	Like, Anif, Matty, are you, you said you're Hmong and Thai?
	Just Hmong.
	Oh, just Hmong?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Anyways, so.
	I need to feel protected.
	It's very important.
	Did you see how I, did you see how I called him off?
	And I appreciate that.
	I was protecting.
	Concealed man denatured.
	I waited until I literally felt so unsafe.
	Why you guys have to go through this again.
	It's obvious that she's mentally unstable.
	It's ironic that she calls herself trauma healer while causing the same trauma herself.
	She's sick.
	So anyways, can we go back?
	I did want to go back in the email you sent me.
	You said you have the personas like Eminem Slim Shady Marshall Mathers.
	And you said it's a thing for us, like the personas thing, it's a thing for us genius black ghetto slave souls inside sexy white, sexy white bodies.
	What do you want to know about it?
	I was just like, do you identify as black?
	I identify as very complex and very misunderstood because of my external appearance.
	No, I know, but like, do you identify as a black woman?
	No.
	Native American.
	I identify more with a Native American construct, yes.
	Just because in the email you said black ghetto slave soul inside sexy white body.
	Well, if you want to go into how I was raised, I was raised to be a sex slave.
	Well, that's, hold on.
	But I'm more focused on the black.
	Brian, to be honest with you, you don't have the depth of understanding for me to go into that.
	So let's just skip over that and let's just go to something else.
	I agree.
	I think we should move on.
	In some emails, there was you, for a $200 TTS, you wanted to kiss?
	I was trying to come up with playful games that we could play to keep things more light and connecting because those things create a sense of safety for me.
	And as if we are, even though we might be, you know, disagreeing with each other and having, those are the types of things that help me feel safe with men.
	So it's more of a playful thing.
	Like, I have no problem, you know, having this energy of intellect or competitiveness or egos or things like that, the back and forth banter.
	But I need to feel like it's a playful thing.
	If I don't feel like it's playful, then I take it as a malicious attack.
	And again, I'm going to repeat, it's not so much about protecting me, it's about protecting my platform.
	That I've worked literally my entire life to master a particular, very particular area.
	I was just, you said for a $200 TTS that we would kiss closed mouth, but $500 we would French kiss.
	Why are you bringing this up, Brian?
	Are you planning on doing it?
	No.
	Then why are you bringing it up?
	Then why are you bringing it up?
	No, just trying to lighten the mood.
	Just trying to lighten the mood a little bit.
	All right.
	Yeah.
	I'll do it for a Bitcoin.
	One?
	A Bitcoin.
	That costs like $2?
	So you went from $200?
	No, Bitcoin's like $60K.
	A Bitcoin?
	Okay.
	$60K.
	I'm thinking of something else then.
	All right.
	Like, I'll do it.
	Like, I have to.
	I get the Bitcoin.
	Okay.
	I get it.
	I'll cut you an ETH.
	Like, one ETH Ethereum?
	I think that's like 2 or 3 K right now.
	I don't know what that means.
	I mean, like, if we were.
	Somebody might do it.
	Send a Bitcoin.
	Send a Bitcoin.
	I give her an Ethereum.
	What's an Ethereum?
	I don't even know.
	It's cryptocurrency.
	Okay.
	I need two Bitcoin for like French kiss, though.
	Definitely two Bitcoin.
	I'll do closed mouth kiss, though, for one Bitcoin.
	Anyways.
	Beatin' Cheeks donated $99.99.
	What type of misogynistic podcast did I just tune into?
	Brian, Andrew, why can you not be men and protect this poor woman from your words?
	Also, Carmela 2024.
	America is ready for her.
	Hashtag trans women are women.
	Hey, hey, um, what?
	Hey, Cheeks, uh.
	Yeah, it's thank you, man.
	Appreciate it.
	Kamala 2024.
	Fight the man.
	Andrew feels unsafe around you.
	I'm...
	I'm feeling, I feel unsafe.
	I feel unsafe around you.
	You weapons instructor, you.
	You.
	This is MAGA country.
	Okay, here, should we do a hand comparison?
	Okay.
	All right, let's get, now you sent us some interesting DMs.
	I just wanted to get into the DMs, I guess, because they were kind of interesting.
	There's a lot.
	I hope we can get through all of them.
	I'm not really interested in discussing our private conversations.
	Let's move on to social commentary or other things like that.
	Well, I think the DMs are Personal information.
	Well, I mean, you were also threatening me with filing a lawsuit.
	It wasn't a threat.
	It was a court-mediated process that I have to take.
	No, you said you would go file a class action lawsuit against me.
	Because I have to.
	If this wasn't going to be a restitution show, because I'm now in a custody situation because of the last show.
	You're still a party to yourself.
	Yeah, but you said you got 100% custody because of it.
	Well, I had to take 100% custody because after that situation, my ex escalated in his.
	Yeah, but didn't that work out well for you?
	No, because do you want to understand this?
	Joe Wilde donated $100.
	Jesus, this chick is batshit crazy.
	Andrew, please call up the Santa Barbara PD and report the SA charge.
	Giantele to the University of Irvine.
	Okay.
	I'm not going to do that if you apologize.
	Apologize for what?
	For the sexual battery.
	I'm sorry.
	Sorry for what?
	That I made you feel sexually battered.
	Oh, so I mean, if that's the apology.
	It's the same apology that you gave me.
	But you said that was an unacceptable apology.
	Well, you reap what you sow, so I'm not going to give you a picture.
	Well, then, if we're doing you reap as you sow and you don't want me to move over to Christian ethics, where I usually don't do eye for an eye, and I'm usually a pretty forgiving person, just let things go.
	Right?
	I'm sorry that I put my beautiful ass in your lap.
	I'm really sorry that that made you uncomfortable.
	Chris donated $100.
	Please call CPS and take her children away from her.
	They should play this entire podcast to the judge when deciding custody.
	I just left you a one-star review on Amazon for her book.
	Everyone do it.
	No, we're not going to do shit like that.
	So the thing is, that's remarkably actually unhelpful in all ways.
	The thing is, I would like to get into you on a social theory that I have, and I'd like to explain it to you and get your takes because you are the expert.
	Have you ever heard of what's called magic pussy theory?
	No.
	Magic pussy theory goes like this.
	This is considered a highly chauvinistic, I suppose, theory.
	I don't think it is.
	But essentially, if a woman cannot control you through sexuality, they move to manipulation.
	If they can't control you through manipulation, they move over to empathy.
	So these are mechanisms of control for that would be a mechanism of a sociopathic female, yes.
	But haven't you demonstrated all of those traits today?
	I would say I had to cycle through the toxic version of those things and I arrived back on a genuine presentation of femininity.
	But you started to get away.
	I have just been simply responding to your toxic masculinity that you've been putting on me.
	So I've been trauma responding with toxic femininity, yes.
	It's a protective measure.
	So then you were acting in a way which you considered to be sociopathic?
	No, because I wasn't being manipulative with my emotions, but I will admit to intentional aggression against you, yes.
	But my crying and when you touched points of me that made me cry, I wasn't trying to invoke any sort of empathy in you as clearly you don't have any and you've stated that many times and you don't care how I feel.
	I never stated that.
	So that was not for you.
	That was just me trying to literally in real time process my own trauma so I could move forward with the conversation.
	Well you can agree that And I would agree with you too that empathy is important, but you would have to agree with me that sometimes people will utilize empathy as a weapon in order to get you to respond a certain way through manipulation.
	So when you say, well, wait a second, Andrew, respond to me this way, right?
	And I'm going to present myself this way, which looks very manipulative, and then say, well, wait a second, you're not responding with empathy, so therefore you're a sociopath, something like this, isn't that kind of textbook manipulation?
	Andrew?
	It can be whatever you whatever you need me to say to move along with the conversation, I consent so we can move along.
	Okay, so you're just going to admit then that you've been being extremely manipulative this entire time?
	Well, that's what you want, correct?
	Well, I mean, I want you to tell the truth.
	That's what I want.
	No, you don't.
	Yes, I do.
	I don't agree with you.
	Well, I mean, so you can read my mind.
	I really do.
	This would have been a totally, really, a really productive conversation.
	You should go back and look at all of the debates I've done on here one-on-one.
	They've always been super respectful, and they've really gone places which are good, good places to go.
	This one has just literally been a fucking clear.
	Why are you still here talking about it?
	Because I still think perhaps I can get to some kind of worldview, which we can discuss.
	I can still hope that, whether we will or not.
	But if you're just going to obstruct every time we get somewhere, which is productive because you might have to take responsibility, that's no good.
	So I'm damned if I do, and I'm damned if I don't.
	You're just damned if you don't.
	If you're damned if you refuse to engage, right?
	Jorge donated $100.
	Let's be clear.
	She didn't win custody of her kids.
	She's holding them hostage from their dad.
	Okay.
	Anyway.
	So yeah, that's, I just, you know, I want to get into the aspects because you're kind of a master, right?
	Doesn't it even stand to reason that if you're a master at psychology and you are an expert in psychology, that you would also be an expert in employing manipulation tactics and psychological tricks in order to get people to empathize with your position?
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	So, I mean, if that's true, there's no reason for me to assume that you haven't been doing that.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	Well, I suppose also to Andrew's point, there's been multiple times throughout the conversation where we were talking about the white supremacy stuff, we were talking about your accusations of woman hating, and instead of engaging, you would just be like, nope, not talking about it.
	Don't want to talk about it.
	So I think that's what he's talking about.
	I'm trying to keep my nervous system regulated so I can keep having a conversation without crying.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Well, what is the I know that you can't always explain this, but what is the motivation behind the crying?
	Is it because you feel bad?
	It's because my heart feels broken in certain moments, and that's all I know how to move forward from that position, is to release it.
	If I try to hold on to it, it turns into something ugly.
	So crying is actually a protective measure to keep me from attacking you in a way that would be mean and malicious.
	I would rather just take in the pain, release it, and then see if I can regather myself to continue the conversation or see if it's just done and I just need to leave.
	Well, I think we can continue the conversation.
	Maybe we can get in a place where both of us have some common ground, right?
	I have kids, just like you do.
	With my kids.
	Biological?
	Yeah.
	Biological.
	How old are they?
	So the youngest is, well, I don't even want to get into their ages and there's reasons why, but because I have people who are not good people who will weaponize.
	Do all sorts of, yeah, I've never weaponized your kids against you ever.
	No, I'm saying, though, but that is what happened because of the last show, and that's why I'm in a tough spot.
	Yeah, I mean, yeah, I can't.
	Because my kids got weaponized because of the show.
	But I can't, I'm not responsible for that.
	I'm not saying that you are, but I am saying that the places that you're leading me are subjecting me and thus my mothering to things that are very traumatic for my children.
	Yeah, I'm not going to try to do that.
	That wasn't the example.
	And I see the allowance of comments coming in still about my children, about CPS, about child abuse, about me being an abuser.
	And I explicitly asked.
	I get the same comments.
	I understand that, but I am actually in a active case because of this exactly.
	I've had my house swatted four times.
	Okay, I get it.
	No, you don't get it.
	I've had my house swatted four times.
	I've had my house swatted too.
	I had the police call to me multiple times.
	Same.
	All for expressing an opinion just like you.
	We're in the same boat.
	If you're going to be a public figure, you're going to risk offense.
	And if you risk offense, sometimes crazy people are going to do bad things to you.
	That's not my criticism.
	My criticism is that I did not know that that's what I was getting myself into when I came to the last show.
	I did not know that that's what I was getting myself into.
	I genuinely didn't.
	I was under the impression that I was coming to a dating podcast just to discuss amongst other people like what's going on in the dating world.
	That's literally all I thought.
	Why would you assume that people would be less likely to have strong emotional opinions about dating than they do anything else?
	I guess I was sheltered.
	I just, I didn't.
	Yeah.
	People have strong emotional opinions about everything from politics to dating to interpersonal relationships.
	They have strong opinions about circumcision.
	They have strong opinions about everything.
	And if you don't have right think, there's always going to be people who disagree with you and are going to try to do bad things.
	I feel as if the explicit animosity towards me as a mother and my children was very extreme.
	But you're the ones that allow the comments or not.
	You're third parties.
	You remind people that there's certain trigger things and things that are so toxic, you don't allow it.
	So therefore, I know you have a censoring process, yet you're still letting these comments.
	Coming automatically.
	So there's no censoring process.
	So what happens is keywords, which would affect the algorithm, get censored.
	That's what he's talking about with toxic comments.
	So if somebody, so you notice how comments are coming through that have particular slurs, which are quite vicious towards women, those get filtered out.
	But saying generalized statements like, oh, I think this woman is a bad mother, you can't really do much about those.
	If you're going to open, if you're going to put yourself on the internet at all and put yourself as a public figure, you are going to risk offending people and they are going to, sometimes you're going to have bad actors who will do horrible things.
	I tend to try my hardest to ignore that myself because I've had people do fing horrible things to me.
	Horrible.
	And the thing is, is I don't hold even my haters, I don't even hold them responsible because most of my haters aren't so insane that they would take it to that level.
	Jessica Eloded donated $100.
	You are responsible for yourself and what happened on the last show.
	Take accountability for yourself.
	Why come back if you felt unsafe?
	Did you not research the show before you came on the first time?
	I didn't.
	That's cracked.
	Well, hold on there.
	Nick, could you pull up layer six?
	So this is your very first message to us requesting to be on the show back May 30th of 2024.
	You're gonna have to put this in the corner.
	That's yeah, that's fine.
	Go ahead.
	If you want to read it, you can.
	You can read it back to yourself.
	I don't have my glasses.
	I can go get my glasses.
	Okay.
	I can't see it.
	Maddie, can you read it?
	Yeah.
	A friend referred me to you guys to join your podcast for a very interesting episode on how I basically solved all of world problems simply by flipping the script of the patriarchy and going back to a system where women do the choosing.
	I'm a savant, social scientist, OnlyFans model, and a good old American-made single mom of three trying to get my bills paid out here in a man's world.
	I could really use some exposure to bring in money, and it's just a super interesting topic that I could go on about as it's near and dear to my heart.
	I mean, so you reached out to us.
	So that's what I thought that I would be discussing.
	You did discuss it.
	But, I mean, the show.
	I thought it would be respected.
	What would be respected?
	My views.
	Well, we have a panel of people who will provide pre-show notes, some of the topics that they request to speak on.
	If it's pertinent to the theme of our show, we'll bring it up.
	We did bring up quite a bit of some of the things you discussed.
	Were you under the impression it was going to be a one-on-one interview?
	Yeah.
	That's not possible.
	I didn't know that it was a panel show.
	I mean, every single clip.
	I didn't watch any of the clips.
	I honestly didn't know anything about the show.
	And I do take responsibility.
	That's entirely on you.
	I know, I understand.
	On the very Instagram that you sent us a DM to requesting to be on the show, there are clips on that Instagram.
	We don't post a bunch.
	There are clips indicating that it's a panel show.
	There's multiple people on the show.
	Again, I take responsibility.
	You can watch full live streams.
	I take responsibility.
	I literally did.
	You don't hide anything with this show.
	Anybody can just click the first link.
	Hold on, you gotta stop interrupting.
	Anybody can click the first link, go directly to the YouTube channel.
	At the very top, it's gonna show the full live streams.
	I didn't do it.
	That's on you.
	I know.
	I'm saying that it was on the show.
	I'm gonna do research.
	I get it.
	I'm saying it's on me.
	That was my bat.
	Right, but you cannot then blame me.
	You cannot shift the blame on us that you felt like you didn't know what you're getting into.
	You didn't see one clip?
	No.
	I didn't.
	Not my thing.
	Well, I mean, you, okay.
	I mean, I don't remember the, it was a seven or eight hour show.
	I don't remember everything that was talked about.
	We talk about various things dating related.
	Well, she was able to.
	You did bring up the idea of patriarchy, the reversal, how you're living in a man's world.
	You brought up a ton of very interesting psychological ideas.
	You brought up a lot.
	It just seems to me like every time you were challenged on them.
	So what it looks like from my perspective is that I don't mind talking about these ideas.
	I think that it's fun to talk about ideas like that.
	But I have noticed this trend and pattern of women who, if their ideas get challenged, they get really upset to the point where they begin to think that they are personally being attacked rather than the idea they're espousing.
	And they can't make the delineation between the two.
	The idea, which I'm saying, and the me, which one is actually being attacked here.
	I think it's fine to attack ideas without personally attacking the person.
	Do you understand that men and women are not built the same?
	Yes.
	Okay, so a lot of the problem is I wasn't even designed to have a debate with you.
	Were you designed to be in politics?
	No.
	Were you designed to be in leadership roles?
	Were you designed to vote?
	Were you designed to pick the government which is going to rule people?
	Were you designed for any of that?
	No.
	Well, then, why?
	So then women probably shouldn't participate in any of those avenues.
	Well, let me clarify.
	I was designed to take a leadership role.
	Yes.
	I do not believe that divine humanity was made to have a government.
	I don't believe that American governmental structure is divine.
	I believe that's man-made.
	Yeah, perhaps it is, but I guess kind of the point and core here is if you think that men and women are different, and I agree.
	Totally.
	Hang on, totally agree.
	Now the thing is, men no longer protect women.
	It's not divine masculinity.
	I get it, but let me finish my point and then I'll back to you.
	If it is true that you think that women are different than men, and I agree that they are, and that women aren't even equipped to have their ideas challenged, they're not actually even equipped to have their ideas challenged.
	Why in the fucking world would we ever let them lead a dog down the street?
	No, you're misinterpreting it.
	We were not designed to have a man who does not love and respect us.
	So for example, you don't know me from anybody.
	You don't have any emotional connection to me.
	You don't have any depth of understanding of who I am as a being.
	So therefore, I wasn't made to hold you accountable or you weren't made to hold me accountable.
	You don't even know me.
	Your own wife should be holding you accountable and putting you in your place if you need that.
	Just like my own, the men that know me and my life that let's just say we have a soul connection.
	Those were the only men that I was designed for.
	She wasn't designed to admit when she is wrong.
	This is her ill issue.
	She can't take an L and admit fault and will lash out.
	Put a one in the chat if you think her children should be taken away.
	Crazy.
	We don't condone some of the messages that are coming through, by the way.
	Anyway, go on.
	Thank you for the TTS, though.
	We're not operating in a world right now that is going by the rules of divine humanity.
	Shit's fucked up.
	So I am simply a woman trying to survive this.
	Yeah, I understand that.
	But I'm also saying that all the actions that you take are interconnected with the actions of the rest of humanity, which do affect my life.
	Like it or not, it does affect my life.
	And so if you say to me, like, look, Andrew, there needs to be an interpersonal relationship for correction.
	It's like, that's fair.
	But there is an interpersonal relationship for correction because unfortunately, the millions who think like you affect me, whether I like it or not, they still affect my life.
	I have never met anybody who thinks like me.
	Yeah, yeah, but the thing is, is that they have women have political power.
	Women can move political GoPuls.
	They can do those things.
	They're just feminine embodiments or are they just masculine embodiments?
	They're feminine embodiments if they believe that having any of their worldviews challenged, any of their worldviews challenged, is an assault on them because their feelings must be validated instead of the idea.
	That is very feminine in nature.
	That is not, that seems to be more in line with how women think than men think by your own admission.
	So if that's true, why are we allowing them to ever have a say against men who don't think that way?
	Well, because there has to be this dance between the emotional part of being human and the structural or logical part of being human.
	And so men and women were designed to offer this flow with each other.
	Okay, that's why feminine energy or women, that's why we have this magnetism to us that men crave because we're so good at channeling the emotions of everything that's going on around us.
	While Paladin's donated $100, I don't believe that she has an active custody case.
	She's under so many multiple layers of manipulation that I believe she would come here and like just about it prevent people from reporting her.
	Look, it's not a good idea.
	Even if you thought she was the worst person on planet Earth, it still wouldn't be a good idea.
	If you take kids from anybody's home, even if you were able to do it, they almost always have worse outcomes.
	Even if you left them in a home, which was abusive, they still almost always have worse outcomes.
	Not a good idea.
	Don't do it and don't push for it.
	It's not a good idea.
	It's a bad look for the show in general anyway.
	Anyway, go ahead.
	Thank you for.
	Yeah, that's not what I'm at.
	I'm literally just here to discuss the things in your head.
	That's it.
	Just the things that are inside of your noodle.
	And so that's why I started the entirety of our conversation saying, look, I want to tell you what my worldview is and get yours so that you understand what's in here and then I understand what's up there.
	And then from there, we can have some kind of conversation about those things.
	I agree with you, for instance, that most people make decisions, even men, general decisions based on emotion.
	Let me give you some examples, okay?
	I really like trucks that are blue.
	I'm not getting the blue truck because the blue gives some type of like extra sealant or something.
	There's no practical reason.
	I just like that fucking color.
	Is that purely emotional?
	Yeah.
	Will it affect my logical decision making when I buy a truck?
	Would I get some feature on, you know, that that truck wouldn't have?
	Like maybe it's lug nuts or not the ones I wanted.
	And I will kind of sacrifice that pragmatic thing for this emotional thing.
	Yeah.
	Right?
	So I'm not operating off of pure logic.
	I understand that or pure reason.
	I get that.
	There's emotion to the things that men do and the things that women do.
	However, you still have to be able to make a disassociation between the two when you're making decisions.
	For instance, if it was the case that I could not get the truck, but only almost everything I wanted except it in blue, I would take that.
	Right?
	And so I feel like the distinction here is maybe you wouldn't.
	That's correct because I guess I don't care about how something looks on paper.
	I care about how it feels emotionally to me to live with that decision day in and day out.
	So, if, for example, we're talking about the car situation, I've done this before.
	I have picked cars.
	Like, one car on paper has better stats, but the color of the other one is so pretty.
	It makes me so happy.
	Sure.
	So, of course, I'm not making a huge downgrade.
	Like, I'm not buying a lemon versus a certified.
	But if it comes down to like two certified vehicles, that's what I wanted anyway.
	But this one has less miles than that one.
	But the color of this one, we do make those decisions.
	And to be honest with you, as a woman, at this point in life, that's how I want to live my life now because that's what feels good.
	At this point, I've lived the duty things.
	I've gotten the degrees.
	I've done all the things that I was supposed to do.
	And what I found was that wasn't creating a sense of aliveness in me.
	BBB donated $100.
	You proved that you had prior knowledge.
	She was mentally ill and you bring her on anyway.
	Nice, that sums up the whatever podcast.
	Brian, you think it's a coincidence your audience and chat is so vile?
	Yeah, so to answer your question, BBB, basically every woman that I see in modernity is mentally ill.
	What makes her different?
	Anyway, go ahead.
	I mean, I think I there was a point in my life where I operated more with my logical structures and I valued the logical over the emotional.
	Sure.
	But like I said, especially becoming a mother and dealing with the gray areas, before I had my kids, I thought I had everything figured out.
	I thought it was like A plus B equals C, very linear.
	You do these certain things, you get this certain outcome.
	But what I found in just getting older and having perspective, different perspective, is I started learning.
	I got humbled, I guess you could say.
	And I started learning, you know what?
	Doesn't feel right.
	It doesn't feel good.
	And so I started leaning more towards following that internal guidance system, that gut feeling, that sparkle, that pizzazz, that I started allowing my emotions to thaw out, is what my therapist would say, because I always was experiencing myself as very stoic, monotoned.
	They would say with my autism, that was the presentation of a monotone.
	Like I did not have such a dynamic presentation or personality because I was so afraid of showing or following my heart, following my emotions, because I had been taught that the logical mind was more important than the physical experience of the body.
	And all I have discovered is that it's at least equal.
	We should at least be giving equality.
	Yeah, I think, well, I think we have emotional responses, but I guess, and we should.
	We should have emotional response.
	The body doesn't lie, but the mind does.
	So the heart does too.
	The heart only lies if it has so much trauma.
	It's trauma responsible.
	The heart lies anyway.
	Here, I can prove it to you.
	I can prove to you that the heart lies.
	And I can give you a great emotional example.
	Have you ever been with a man and he's given you butterflies?
	To be honest, no, because I have severe attachment traumas.
	Okay, before the attachment traumas.
	I always had them.
	How did you get an attachment trauma before you ever got attached?
	Do you not know about my family?
	Oh, okay.
	Well, absent this, you understand most women do report a feeling of butterflies.
	Often.
	They want that.
	Chemical feeling, the honeymoon effect of the chemical reaction.
	But that's your heart lying.
	That's not your heart.
	That is literally a chemical reaction in your body.
	That's nothing to do with your heart space.
	Your heart space is not a problem.
	But then your heart's just a chemical reaction in your body.
	No, it's actually not.
	The chemical reaction is coming from different structures in your body.
	Those are all chemicals, though.
	So if one is actually an electromagnet.
	It's not chemical.
	It's electromagnetic.
	Okay, in your body, skin, everything has an electromagnetic frequency as well.
	But having a frequency for a thing does not mean that the thing which is introducing into your brain these emotions isn't chemical.
	So here's the thing: it's actually the story that we tell ourselves that is creating the emotional response.
	So those women who are letting themselves have that emotional response of butterflies that you're calling it, that's actually them telling themselves the story that they have found a savior.
	This person is lying.
	The heart is lying.
	It's not their heart.
	It's the story that their logical mind is telling their body.
	If it was purely logical, right, then their heart couldn't lie to their mind.
	It's not their heart.
	You're misinterpreting what is the heart.
	You could not make what you're saying is actually unreasonable or irrational.
	You're saying their rational brain is creating irrationality.
	So you studied neuropsychology?
	The study of neuropsychology has nothing to do with the study of philosophy.
	This is not philosophical.
	It is philosophy.
	It's not scientific.
	Well, I'm talking about actual.
	Have you ever heard the philosophy of science?
	I'm not talking about that.
	I'm talking about literally neuroscience.
	I'm talking about it.
	The philosophy of science is still a grounding foundation for scientific principles.
	And so what I'm saying to you is that things still have to be rational, even in science.
	They have to be rational.
	That's what the scientific process and the method is, is it's a methodology, which is a rational method to come up to empirical answers.
	It's not necessarily rational so much as it is repeatable.
	Repeatable with an equation.
	That's what makes it scientific.
	But even that, what you just said is rational.
	But it doesn't always make logical sense.
	The outcome of the equation.
	The outcome may not, but the process to determine the outcome always does.
	It is systematic, repeatable, linear, yes.
	Rational.
	So that's my whole point.
	I just have.
	I just don't want the word rational to be taken out of context and spinned into something.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Well, I'm not trying.
	I'm trying, I guess we're going to.
	Because a lot of the physics of how the universe works is very mystical.
	It's very like, what the fuck?
	I don't even disagree with that.
	But what I was getting at when I'm driving here is from my worldview, and the reason I was trying to give you mine earlier so that you understood, what you describe to me is pure evil.
	When you say, when you say this, and this is how we would describe it from my worldview, when you say that the rational brain, the reasonable brain, should be rejected in lieu of the emotional mind, whatever the new emotional mind is, right?
	And that you focus on that emotional mind because it makes you happy.
	This is the equivalency to me of pure hedonism.
	And what that does is it subtracts this big element that I do care about.
	I wouldn't care, for instance, if you went to a desert island and you're like, I'm going to be fucking hedonistic and do blah, I wouldn't give a flying fuck, right?
	My problem comes in when emotion becomes collectivized, especially in women, and that creates some sort of like power move.
	And then that begins to sway society or move society in a way which causes significant problems to people who do value what is rational reasoning.
	Well, I mean, let's take, for instance, the inequality in the courts between men and women when it comes to custody, when it comes to women initiating most divorces, and the reasoning that they put behind initiating most of the divorces has nothing to do with the fact that they were being abused or that they were being cheated on, but that they have irreconcilable differences.
	In other words, they don't feel those butterflies anymore.
	Now we have kids who are brought into the equation.
	What about the men who give lines?
	Let me finish, and I'll let you respond.
	I promise.
	Now we have kids brought in the equation in these relationships.
	And then what ends up happening is mommy, because she doesn't feel the butterflies anymore, leaves dad for Chuck down the road who gives her the butterflies.
	But now kids are, we have these groups of kids growing up in a broken home.
	If that was one family, no problem.
	When it becomes one million families, it becomes a big fucking problem.
	So let me ask you something.
	What did the man do that gave her the butterflies in the first place?
	Was he an asshole?
	He may not have done anything necessarily.
	Sometimes women know within two, three minutes that they're extremely attracted to a man and that they desire it.
	They're trauma-bonded to him.
	Yeah, you keep saying that, but it's pretty loaded.
	It seems like you kind of think everything is trauma.
	The table is trauma.
	Mostly it is.
	I don't think so.
	I think when you say trauma, I think you're unprocessed emotion from childhood.
	Yeah, no, I'm going to disagree with it.
	That's really fruitful.
	So again, who is the expert in psychology?
	Yeah, but that doesn't mean you're right.
	Who is the expert in psychology?
	Even if you had an expertise, it wouldn't make you correct.
	But who is the expert?
	I'm not sure that you're an expert.
	Because you have a degree, I'm not sure you're an expert.
	I would not make the claim that you're an expert because you have a degree.
	Do you just make the claim that people are experts because they have degrees?
	I don't think you would either.
	That's kind of the world we live in.
	You get a couple degrees in something, and you are at least more expert than the person who has no education on a subject.
	Well, hang on.
	Saying you have no education on a subject, that's not the same as a degree.
	Like, there's a lot that I understand about psychology that I've studied.
	That doesn't mean that I'm an expert.
	All right, Andrew.
	But I'm not going to concede you are either.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Well, next subject then.
	Well, hang on.
	An argument from incredibly if you have.
	We're not going to come to an agreement.
	I have a degree in.
	You're throwing me bullshit.
	I have a degree in psychologists, so I'm an expert.
	You do?
	I'm an expert.
	I have a degree in psychology.
	I have a degree.
	I have a degree in psychology.
	Let me see it.
	Does it make you an expert to have a degree?
	Yes or no?
	What makes me an expert is the fact that I got the logical knowledge and then I went out and studied.
	You can't believe you're enduring this unstable woman better than the others.
	What are you afraid of?
	I can't imagine what her ex had went through with this manipulative, toxic woman.
	There's another one coming through.
	Concealed men.
	Hey, thank you, man.
	Is this the concealed man?
	Is that a super popular Twitter account?
	Or am I thinking of that?
	Christine donated $100.
	Lol, my sister, has a psych degree from UCI and she's a moron.
	She tells me she just memorized random facts and wrote papers for class and is now working at Anuba driver.
	Take her kids away.
	Damn.
	I just want to know the answer to that question.
	Do you believe that a person is an expert just because they have a degree?
	No, I do not.
	Okay, well then you continuously bringing up that you're an expert because you have a degree makes sense.
	Because you do not respect my actual knowledge or experience on the subject.
	Because it doesn't make sense.
	Get to French kissing, bro.
	Open mouth and tongue two.
	I'm dead.
	Hashtag get the fucking rocks hashtag free nick hashtag sleepy8 at a tea.
	LPE, we summoned you on Tuesday's dating talk.
	I think it's been a while, right, since we've seen LPE.
	Yeah.
	Good to see you in the chat, man.
	Thank you for the TTS.
	Appreciate it.
	It is a Bitcoin, though, just letting you know.
	Thank you, man.
	Appreciate it.
	Good to see you in the chat, man.
	It was so productive there for a few minutes, too.
	I do.
	You mentioned you're going to sick your contact in the FBI on me.
	Are you asking me a question?
	Yeah, that's a question.
	How is it a question?
	You're reading a statement.
	Do you want me to put, are you, at the front of that?
	Is that what you're asking?
	Yeah, let's just assume it was a question then.
	Okay, repeat the question then.
	Okay, in messages, you said that you have an FBI contact and they're going to investigate me for terrorism?
	Correct.
	Do you care to expand on you can just read it.
	I explained everything to you detailed.
	I mean, I actually don't have it in front of me, but.
	Pegasus 25 donated $100.
	Bimbo, you're not an expert just because you have a couple thousand dollar piece of toilet paper.
	You're indoctrinated to believe the bullshit that you spew.
	You're nothing more than a hook.
	Yes, I don't really have it in front of me now, but there were some messages that you sent about how you feel like.
	We can talk about that off the show.
	It's a very serious matter.
	Okay, but I'm asking you now: like, how do you come to the conclusion that the show is like terrorist?
	It's not.
	It's not something that I am comfortable with talking on camera.
	What?
	We can talk about it after, for sure.
	Well, you're comfortable enough to.
	It was a private conversation.
	It wasn't a public matter.
	Well, hold on.
	But when you're threatening legal action, legal action will entail that it becomes a public matter.
	Correct?
	At that point.
	Correct.
	At that point, it will be discussed publicly then.
	It's not at that point.
	Well, I mean, if you're threatening legal action, I think it's going to be public eventually.
	So why don't you just state the claims?
	I don't see what.
	I can't even imagine in what way this podcast could be deemed like a terrorist threat or organization.
	Are you saying Maddie's going to do something?
	I detailed the explanation in my extensive messages with you.
	Well, I don't have a screenshot of it.
	Well, then you can go back and read it later.
	I can't pull it up, so we're here now.
	You can just state in your own words what your specific.
	Next.
	You can't just throw out an accusation and not be prepared to defend it.
	I gave you personally, person-to-person as a civil matter, the claim.
	Very detailed.
	If you want to take a minute and find that, you're welcome to.
	But I am not prepared to discuss that on camera live in this context.
	It was a person-to-person conversation.
	I mean, it's not really helpful for the sake of the conversation, but okay, well, that's a separate conversation, the whole terrorism thing.
	What about your lawsuit?
	You said you're building a legal case against me?
	That's the lawsuit.
	You're talking about the same exact thing.
	Okay.
	What claims do you intend to bring?
	I just told you that it is detailed in my extensive messaging to you.
	Well, I'll mention that.
	You send like walls of text and paragraphs.
	It's in there.
	Not my fault you don't read it.
	Of course, I don't feel inclined to like parse through your like incoherent rambling on Instagram.
	Why don't you're here on the show?
	Instead of like making us do this extra work to like go through all the messages, why don't you just state your actual position?
	It would make it very simple.
	I'm not comfortable doing that.
	Why are you not comfortable?
	Because my tummy feels very tense and tight when you ask me that.
	And so, pass.
	Uh, well, my tummy feels very tense and tight when people threaten frivolous and vexatious legal action.
	It wasn't frivolous.
	It absolutely is frivolous.
	Okay.
	Have you consulted with an attorney on this?
	Why do you ask?
	I don't know.
	Are you an expert in the law?
	Again, why do you ask?
	Well, I would imagine if you went to an attorney and said, I had a bad time on the whatever podcast.
	I want to sue Brian for $100,000.
	He's going to laugh in your face.
	That's why I ask.
	Because maybe you're just imagining all these scenarios in which you think you can sue me.
	Yeah.
	That's why I ask.
	Well, why don't we just leave it at that?
	You can think whatever you want.
	You're going to anyway, no matter what I say.
	So what's the point of me saying anything?
	I'm going to what, whatever you say.
	You're going to think whatever you want to think.
	Do you know what the purpose of a conversation is?
	Well, in my day, it was so you could gain perspective into another person's thought process.
	But in the new generation, it's really just so you can pick apart somebody's mind and decide you want to throw it in the trash.
	So, no point.
	Okay, so you're fine with us pulling up the chats then?
	Yeah, go ahead.
	I have to go to the bathroom anyway.
	Take your time.
	Uh, okay.
	It's interesting, even though I feel like I'm being more.
	Am I being more polite than Andrew?
	Not to say you're being whatever, but she seems to actually be somewhat able to engage with you.
	But every single thing I've brought up totally stonewalls me.
	Like refuses, every single thing I've brought up, just refuses to actually have a conversation about it.
	I think it's your tone.
	You gotta learn how to talk to obstinate women, Brian.
	In any case, I don't know if you missed it, but.
	You just assume three things.
	One, they're lying.
	Two, they're manipulating.
	And then three, that you can emotionally jar an answer.
	That's the only three things.
	That's like the three-step rule.
	Yeah.
	We have Jeff Bader, electrical engineer here in my industry.
	Having a degree means you are a baby.
	You need decades of problem solving to be an expert.
	Degrees are virtually meaningless.
	Thank you, Jeff.
	What's really funny is when you get somebody who has worked in an engineer in one field for a long time and then moves over to another field and realizes how little they fucking know about anything.
	It's pretty funny to watch.
	But engineers know this and tradesmen know this.
	Hey, Jeff, thank you.
	Thank you for the message.
	And then we did have Christopher Martin here.
	Someone has a PhD in gas.
	Thank you, Christopher.
	Tiki-Tac donated $100.
	Desiree, please give Andrew a chance.
	You may not like what he says, but his heart is in the right place.
	He wants to see the world improve for the better.
	Let your guard down a bit.
	Tiki Tac.
	Hey, thank you for the TTS.
	I do appreciate it.
	I do appreciate it.
	Thank you very much.
	Guys, can you go to twitch.tv/slash whatever?
	Those of you who are watching on Twitch, oh, crazy ace, huh?
	Yo, Ace, thank you for the gifted 10 subs over there on Twitch.
	Much appreciated.
	And then, if you can, pull up Twitch for me.
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	Twitch.tv slash whatever.
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	If you have one, twitch.tv/slash whatever.
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	Justin, thank you for the gifted subs on Twitch.
	Appreciate it, man.
	Really appreciate it.
	There's 1,600 of you over there.
	If you can, drops a follow.
	If you're watching on YouTube, just open up another time.
	Drops a follow over there on Twitch, twitch.tv slash whatever.
	And so going back to this.
	Jaivanik donated $100.
	Isn't this just bullying someone struggling with mental illness and potentially substance abuse issues?
	Kind of cringe.
	Yeah.
	You should stop doing that to Brian.
	Thank you, Giovanni.
	I mean, I don't think you have substance abuse issues.
	No.
	You don't do drugs.
	I mean, you had a shot with me.
	Andrew before the show, but.
	I do my weed and, yeah, some.
	I have my cocktails here and there or a shot or something.
	Yeah, they had a nice little clink shot before the show.
	So, anyways.
	Okay.
	Well, I mean, if you don't want to discuss that, you mean, you're welcome to read it if you wanted to read it.
	That's up to you.
	Well, I could read it, but if you don't want to actually like engage not on the show, it's a private matter.
	Well, it's not a you do realize lawsuits are private matters, correct?
	Law Paladins donated $100.
	Andrew, I'd like to push back on the foster kids having worse outcomes.
	The kids being removed are already suffering from the worst abuse before the state takes action.
	Skewed statistics.
	Yeah, it's not skewed.
	So I remember diving into this.
	This was a couple years ago for a debate that I was prepping for.
	And I actually interviewed somebody who was in, that's what they did.
	They worked for the state.
	Oftentimes, when foster care, their rates of being unalive, for instance, things like that, or being SA'd, are way higher than even if you left them in an abusive home, which, by the way, this has not been established that this home is even abusive.
	So you're going, I think you're going above and beyond.
	The heart of this conversation is to get into the worldview, the ideas, not for you to, you know, to, it's not a call to action.
	And it should not be a call to action.
	It should be us talking about the views.
	That's the way that I see it.
	Okay, so you don't want to talk about any of this stuff, really.
	I mean, maybe we can come back to the thing that we were trying to get a clear answer on kind of before.
	Again, I would like to ask: how is the show, or how are me and Andrew, woman-hating?
	How was your relationship with your mother early on?
	Fine.
	It was good.
	How's that relevant?
	Well, that would because it would tell us exactly where your wounding around the feminine would be.
	And then I could give you.
	My mom's wonderful.
	Love her.
	Same.
	I grew up in an intact family.
	My mom absolutely adores me.
	Still does.
	Even when you're mean to me.
	She says I'm the handsomest in the whole world.
	Yeah.
	Do you think if somebody is mean to a woman, it necessarily means that they're doing it because they are a woman?
	Or can you just be mean to somebody for a wide variety of reasons?
	That's correct.
	But what I have observed is that the feminine, what is feminine?
	Okay, the vulnerability, the emotionality, the feeling part that we were discussing.
	Okay, everything that is feminine.
	I believe that that's really, really heavily under attack right now.
	So whether it's coming from a male body to a female or it's coming from a female body to a female, there is this general ideology, again, that logic and egoical thought constructs trump the humanity of our bodies.
	Messi underscore is underscore the underscore goat donated $100.
	Can all of you say one thing you're grateful for so far this year?
	Brain, you're I appreciate the way you explain things.
	P.S. Hope you spend my $200 bucks wisely.
	Messi, thank you very much for the TTS.
	I do appreciate it.
	One thing I'm grateful for this year.
	Where is it?
	Wait, one sec.
	I got it.
	I'm grateful for Rachel Wilson's book, Occult Feminism.
	Amazon Talk.
	Good book, read it.
	It's a good book.
	I'm grateful.
	She's still in the chat.
	Rachel, what's up?
	I'm sure.
	Shout out to Rachel Wilson.
	Yeah, so I would say I'm grateful for the same thing I'm always grateful for every year, which is that I have a family that loves me.
	It's like that's wealth beyond, that's just wealth beyond any measure.
	I'm also grateful for Nick signing a contract with me that he will perpetually, in perpetuity, work for the whatever podcast.
	You're making that up.
	You're making that up.
	And also, Madison also signed that one too.
	Yeah.
	Oh my God, I just noticed that I have this guy behind me.
	Yeah, that's crazy.
	Who's this?
	Is this my avatar boyfriend or something?
	I'm grateful for Nick being dope and also Madison for being super dope.
	Yeah.
	What about you, Desiree?
	Are you grateful that you made it on the whatever podcast this year?
	Well, there's part of me that has had a really hard time with it, to be honest.
	Like I said, I had no idea, to be honest with you, that these online platforms were even.
	I mean, I have heard in theory what's going on, but I had never taken part.
	But I have to say, all that to say, you guys, basically, because of everything that was brought up, saved my children from a really bad situation that I have been waiting out for five years, to the point where enough surfaced and my kids got old enough to speak and be heard,
	that they got saved from their dad.
	And because of his stupidity and him following along with the thought process of a lot of these people that are speaking out of tune about what is abuse and all of that, he shot himself in the foot so bad.
	Well, I mean, then you should be, shouldn't you be showing them all gratitude and thankfulness?
	Yeah, so that's what I'm thankful for.
	And that's why I brought it up: I'm thankful.
	That is my biggest.
	So thankful to the whatever podcast.
	I am, actually.
	And that's why I came back, despite it being an extremely uncomfortable situation for me.
	And I'm doing my best.
	I feel like we're making it pretty easy for you, honestly.
	And I'm even going to agree with you on something else when you say that femininity is under attack, right?
	I actually agree.
	I just don't think that we agree on what femininity is.
	And so I wanted to ask you this question.
	Do you think that promiscuity is part of femininity?
	I think that's an aspect of it.
	That's the wild slut energy.
	And that is a protective measure that is primarily feminine because you have to understand that if a male body was designed to serve and protect, that means that there's a lot of death, right?
	Because we're getting to, you could say, a more physically humane era in society where most guys are having a life expectancy, right?
	That's like into the 70s.
	They're seeing their kids be raised and all that.
	That wasn't always the case.
	So a woman biologically had to come in with the ability to quickly shift between this guy, this guy, this guy, this guy, to survive.
	I understand that from the purpose of mate selection, that women can move from, okay, I was with a guy for a long time, met another good guy, right?
	I'm with him for a long time.
	I'm not sure that that really resonates with promiscuity, though.
	When I'm talking about promiscuity, I'm talking about moving between sexual partners fluidly for the purpose of just self-interest and hedonism.
	It feels good.
	I like it.
	I think that's a feminine energy.
	Why is that feminine?
	Because...
	And not, like, for instance, a contrast would be chastity.
	When I think of feet of women and I think of qualities that I consider feminine, when I think of like chaste and kind and this and that, I put those together to kind of make the image in my head of what a woman is.
	I don't think, like, powerful panther sex energy.
	That's like, I think when I think that.
	Well, that's because you're coming from a Christian ideology.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Well, yes, but not always, right?
	I've had shakes in the faith, things like this.
	And when I was in my early 20s, there's no fucking angel, right?
	Well, I'm sorry, yeah, basically my early 20s.
	So the thing is, is like I still have eyes and I still engage with the world.
	And I can tell, even by talking with atheists and men all over the world, when they are creating an image of a woman, they think of kindness, nurturing, chastity, almost in a way, purity.
	Well, because they're thinking of how they're thinking of their mothers.
	Right.
	So the thing is, it's like, well, I don't know if I would say exactly that, but I'm just going to kind of grant it because I think it helps the conversation out.
	But if they are, right, most people are not going to want to, men or women, envision their mother moving fluidly between sexual partners, right?
	It's embarrassing.
	Well, that's why the sex falls off and women get bored of the men because you guys are trained to look for your mother.
	But actually what keeps your bodies happy sexually is the slut.
	So essentially, you all are looking for the unicorn who can embody the mother and the slut energy for you inside the container relationship.
	I'm sure that your wife sexually gratifying you would be slutty.
	So my background was I spent 15 years in the church doing a lot of counseling.
	What was the denomination?
	Primarily Southern Baptists.
	Okay.
	So you were a Trinitarian?
	I don't know what that means.
	You believed in the triune nature of God.
	You weren't a Unitarian.
	So you believed in the Holy Trinity, Father God?
	The Trinity, yes.
	Yes, okay.
	That's correct at the time.
	So the reality was almost universally, I observed a pattern going on in the church.
	Now, I was part of the Southern Baptist denomination as far as educationally and where I actually went to worship.
	But I went to many, many different denominations and ministries.
	I traveled cross-culturally to Europe and things like that doing missionary work with the goal of what is going on with the women and the marriages.
	Because universally, almost across the board, the census was women were not enjoying sex.
	They were doing duty sex, right?
	So I can think of literally one, maybe two women in all my years of ministry and literally serving the women, even the pastor's wives, everything.
	They were not okay sexually.
	Then how do you explain this?
	Because I've heard this argument many, many times from various, well, various women.
	You don't usually hear it from high-level male clergy.
	And usually women will say, well, of course not, right?
	They're trying to suppress women's sexuality.
	But what we do have is we have some pretty interesting statistics.
	So if you get married a virgin, if you get married a virgin as a woman and as a man, your marriage ends up lasting way longer than any other demographic in society.
	It ends up lasting way longer.
	And you know what, an interesting side effect?
	When asked about sexual satisfaction, those couples report the highest level of sexual satisfaction.
	Now, the reason behind this, right, kind of like the reasoning that people think that this is so, is because the women have nothing to compare it to, and neither do the men.
	So for them, the sex is always good.
	If that's the only sex you've ever had, it's always going to be good.
	What's interesting about that, though, is there's so many women who get upset about that.
	That these women aren't going out and experiencing tons of sexual partners, even though by them not doing that, they report higher sexual satisfaction and they stay married longer and are way more well adjusted.
	So, wouldn't that be like a good argument to move towards chastity or moving people towards virginity when they're getting married?
	Wouldn't that be a really good effect of that?
	So, that's all fine and dandy if we could create a world whereby we revert back to the natural life cycle that humans were born with.
	Meaning, humans, hormonally, all of that are ready to have sex when they go through puberty.
	So, there was a time in history where that was happening.
	So, the idea of being a virgin when you pick your mate and actually being young enough for that to be practical, right?
	That would be possible.
	Again, if we change the whole school structure and kids are actually not being infantilized and they're actually transitioning from childhood to at least young adulthood, instead of it taking 25 years, if we actually brought back traditions and initiation practices that many cultures have employed throughout the years, initiation.
	So, for males, it would be one thing, for females, it would be something different.
	But if we were advancing these children into sexual maturity to where they could be starting their families in their teens like their bodies are designed to do, then I think we could, in theory, get back to a place where the and we teach people to be their authentic selves and to find partners who are actually in alignment with the calling they have.
	We're not teaching people how to pick wives.
	This is why I don't like the idea of women in political power, and here's why.
	Because this was recent that most people married virgins.
	Recent.
	Clear up to the 50s and 60s, most marriages were between virgins, virgin bride, virgin husband.
	Now, that's wild to think about how that could drastically, so drastically change until you remember birth control.
	When birth control is introduced and the sexual revolution happens, the sexual revolution of women being told by other women to go out and be promiscuous, and now they have a pill, which will stop conception.
	And suddenly, this entire thing that you're talking about, where you're talking about the initiation and you're talking about society being turned on its head, and kids being given the pill and this type of thing in school, right?
	Women did this.
	And so, if you want to know actually, I would disagree with that.
	I believe that it was made to look like women did it, but I believe that feminism is just the other side of the patriarchal coin, where it is designed to separate men and women from each other.
	And we see this going on.
	There's this battle of the sexes.
	We need to combat that.
	It's not designed to do that, but I agree with you, feminism is.
	The patriarchy, what I'm talking about, the patriarchy, is how men can very easily, for example, you employ a lot of these tactics whereby men are using the emotional vulnerability of women to usurp power over them.
	Even though that woman, I hate to break it to you, but throughout culture, throughout society and many different cultures, elderly females were the highest regarded because they were the matrons.
	Matrons, the oracles, the grandma, okay, it's yeah, because they had a lot of knowledge, a lot of wisdom, and a lot of wisdom.
	They were strong men's grandmothers, exactly, and their mothers, etc.
	But the thing is here, it's like, no, I think the opposite is true.
	So, I think that what's happened is women have utilized the fact that they're vulnerable and men know that they're vulnerable to use that as a manipulation to achieve power.
	Some, some, you're right.
	You're not sure.
	Because otherwise, otherwise, why is it that when the patriarchy is in charge and everything is within a patriarchal structure, the societal band seem to be much better, and women are marrying far more pure, and so are the men.
	Women are not happy in marriage in general.
	I don't know where you're getting, they're not anymore.
	Yeah, but what changed?
	Feminism and the pill.
	I'm not a proponent of feminism.
	Is that what you're thinking?
	Well, no, what I'm telling you is that it seems like you're not a proponent of the patriarchy.
	I'm not.
	I'm not a proponent of either one because I think both structures are keeping men and women up.
	I think they're the opposite side of the coin.
	I think that's agree to disagree.
	Well, I think that patriarchy, I'm not even sure it's going to be agree to disagree.
	Let me give you the view first because I don't think you're even going to disagree.
	If you agree to some kind of natural law, which it seems like you do, Lol Paladins donated $100 props to Blondie.
	She has been cooking for the past 15 minutes.
	Absolute truth.
	So, when you talk about patriarchy, I don't remember where we're at.
	Let's see.
	Oh, yeah, the other side of the coin.
	No, it can't be, it can't actually be the opposite side of the coin if you believe in some type of natural law, which it seems like you're alluding to.
	You believe that there's some natural order, natural paradigm, natural this, natural that.
	If that is the case, then the biggest and strongest are going to have forced doctrine on their side.
	You're going to have patriarchy no matter what.
	There's no way around it.
	That's going to be the, in other words, the status quo.
	Well, actually, if the women all just decided that they didn't want to participate in the patriarchy anymore, it would end in a day.
	No, I think the opposite's true.
	I think that if men decided collectively that women couldn't do anything, that that would end in a day and women could do nothing.
	But if women decided that there would be no patriarchy, if men wanted there to be one, they couldn't do anything about it.
	Okay.
	Can you tell me how that logic is flawed?
	Because it's human nature to be driven by sex.
	Yeah, but they could have sex.
	With who?
	With whoever they wanted to if they decided to make women second-class citizens, right?
	Well, if the women don't want to have sex with them anymore, how could they stop it?
	Not opening their legs.
	How could they stop that?
	I've stopped it many times.
	What I'm saying is that if men have force doctrine, so take countries like Muslim nations, for instance, right?
	If inside of nations like this, we can see it right this second.
	If men decide, and this is why I think that men are benevolent, because we could always do this, but don't.
	If men collectively decide that women no longer have rights and are second-class citizens, women don't have recourse.
	They can't do anything about that.
	We can not engage with you anymore.
	Yeah.
	We can just start our own society.
	Then how come in these nations where this occurs, they're engaging with men?
	Because the world is still patriarchal.
	We haven't all collectively come together to decide we want a new world order.
	Is that what you want?
	A new world order?
	Yes.
	Of course.
	Yeah.
	But the thing is, is like, look, I still don't understand how that would negate that if men decided that women have no rights, let's say, how women would have them.
	Well, wouldn't they always have to engage with them?
	It's a pure misunderstanding because if you think about it, women didn't have rights for a really long time.
	And the whole society decided, let's change this.
	The whole society didn't.
	Enough of society.
	Men allowed it.
	Okay, whatever you want to say.
	But I mean, men were led to change that.
	I don't see it.
	Basically, courts did it.
	People didn't really want it.
	Women didn't like it.
	Men didn't like it.
	Neither side liked it.
	Like, for instance, feminism, the right to vote for suffrage, let's say.
	Women voted against their right to vote almost every time they had a choice to vote on it.
	And it was because they wanted to be seen as above politics.
	They wanted to be seen as virtuous.
	They wanted to be seen as authorities on issues without being used as political pogs, right?
	Or political cogs.
	So that's why that happened.
	And they really voted.
	So essentially, the courts are the ones who push this through against the will of the people.
	I do agree that, to be honest with you, I believe that the people need to start taking their power back.
	I believe that we have all collectively given so much of our power over to governmental authorities that have particular agendas.
	And at this point, the agenda is monetary.
	It's a business.
	The government in the United States, the court system, the police, everything, it's big business.
	It propagates particular agendas and it monetizes off basically collective trauma responses because a trauma response is very predictable.
	You can basically predict with very acute accuracy how a person is going to spend their time, money, life force energy, you could say.
	You know how they're going to spend.
	And they're going to do that with the most.
	Who's the most easily propagandized?
	Women.
	Women.
	Exactly.
	And so why gives you a statement?
	That's why women are being so victimized.
	Yeah, so then if it is the case that women are the most victimized by the state, they're the most easy to predict by the state.
	You can predict them the best and propagandize them the easiest.
	Why do you want them to have political power?
	Because I think you're misunderstanding.
	I don't want women to have to have political power.
	I don't want politics to be the overarching power of the world.
	Then why wouldn't you advocate for women to retract themselves from it?
	In a sense, I am propagating that.
	I'm propagating.
	Not in a sense, but as an overall.
	Yeah, I am.
	I'm propagating that everybody basically go inward and start dealing with their own shit before they go out and try to save the world when they haven't even dealt with their own racism, their own masculine wounds, feminine wounds, daddy issues, mommy issues.
	And then they're going out and they're basically propagating the things that they're saying that they hate or they don't want because they haven't really reconciled it, processed it, and reached a level of sort of development where they then...
	So then nobody should engage in the political process?
	I would love to see politics fade out.
	Yeah, but I mean, you're going to, politics is micro and macro, right?
	So it's small and big.
	You have politics in your own house.
	Correct.
	And what we're doing, though, is we are focusing so much on the macro to the detriment of the micro.
	So I agree.
	I agree there, but the thing is, is that, okay, so let's look at the micro.
	So if we look at tradition, tradition is that's the exercise of experiments that worked, right?
	That's why it's traditional.
	These are experiments.
	They worked over and over and over and over again.
	That's what tradition is, right?
	That's why they're still running with fucking bulls in Spain.
	Like a scientific process.
	Because this was something which has worked.
	It's not worth it.
	Yeah, it's worked.
	It's worked.
	So hang on, hang on, I'm almost done.
	Almost done.
	It's worked, it's worked, it's worked.
	As insane as it seems to us, it's worked.
	So we keep them intact.
	On the micro, though, in the family, you know what's really worked really well for the family?
	Mom at home?
	Dad working, single income, you can raise the family.
	But the thing is, think about it, Andrew.
	We don't live in the same times.
	Our government, with the taxation and stuff, is not making it a safe environment right now for one man to even support a family.
	They're forcing us with tax increases and expensive housing prices and grocery prices.
	You have to have two incomes coming.
	But I would postulate that if women were retracted from the political process tomorrow, that 90% of those issues would go away within the first year.
	Yes, so I think that we can agree on this.
	If we created a societal structure where women were valued in the home again, rather than feeling pressured, societal pressure to go out and enter the workforce and become taxpayers, because the literally the issue of everything, all of world problems, is stemming from childhood trauma, from children not having a sympathetic mother.
	Stemming from that, but I'm looking at the solution regardless.
	So even if it was, if the solution helped you with that, which it seems like it would, you should still be advocating for that solution, right?
	But how does being sexually provocative, having an OnlyFans, kind of saying things like this are liberating?
	How in the world does that help move people past this?
	Well, for me, I can't speak to everybody because everybody's sexuality is expressed in a certain way based on where they're at.
	For me, for example, I came from deep, deep purity culture on one hand, but also my dad being a pedophile and sexuality.
	I mean, Southern Baptists aren't Puritans.
	They can drain all kinds of shit.
	No, but I was in the purity culture of celibacy.
	So on the one hand, I had my dad indoctrinating me that I was to be a sex worker.
	That was the only way I was going to make it in life.
	He would take me to bars from an early age.
	And yeah, I can't get into that.
	But, okay, I get it.
	I understand that there's exploitation in your early sex.
	Right, so you have to.
	But even then, you're not listening.
	I am listening.
	I just want to ask a question, and then I'm going to listen to everything you're saying as the answer.
	If it is true that there was an exploitation, right, which is there, which created this trauma vacuum for you, which then is why you became promiscuous later in life, I thought that your whole thing was dealing with and getting rid of those.
	Right, so you have to understand with these extreme traumas, primarily coming from a sexual wound from a parent, that's the most extreme form of trauma that a human can endure spiritually, psychologically, emotionally.
	Okay, so the only way to actually heal from that is to what is called reanimate the trauma.
	But what you need to do is do it under your terms.
	So that's why I had to get into kink and BDSM.
	So conscious kink and BDSM, meaning bondage.
	Okay, so that is actually a very powerful healing modality for these most intense, extreme sexual traumas which I faced.
	Normal, you could say tame textbook psychological processes don't touch that depth of trauma.
	You literally have to transmute it or you have to essentially take what was so traumatic and painful and unspeakable and you have to allow your body to turn it into a point of pleasure for you.
	That is literally the only way that I have seen that anybody can actually heal from these extensions.
	That's how trauma works.
	Literally.
	What do you mean?
	Well, because the idea here is like, you know, inside of, let's say, certain churches, priests have predilections towards people on the young end, right?
	But the thing is, is that they're trying to make the association of this activity being pleasurable for you.
	That's why so many of them end up going after same sex later in life and repeating the pattern is because they're kind of making the association with the pleasure.
	So, Brian, they're repeating the pattern because they're not owning it and then taking it into an appropriate context consciously.
	So, the way that these are, but you would be doing the opposite.
	Okay, so hear me out.
	Let's use the priest as an example.
	Let's use a priest who is actually a pedophile and okay, who is abusing younger kids.
	The only way to heal from that depth of depravity, we could call it, the only way to heal that is that man needs to admit that is now part of his sexuality.
	So, if this is part of my sexuality, how can I just stop repeating the cycle?
	No, you're not listening.
	They need to admit they need to admit to themselves the energetics.
	What is it about this little boy that turns me on?
	They need to get to what about.
	We've got to move off the topic.
	But the thing is, we have to, because I'd love to get into this more, though, but we do have to move off on it.
	I'm just going to say this, this last thing.
	I love you, let you give your last point too, right?
	What you're saying is the opposite.
	You're saying that if you make the association of pleasure, that is definitionally grooming, is making the association of pleasure to move towards an activity which you would not ordinarily do.
	That's part of the brainwashing.
	Hang on, Ian.
	That's part of the brainwashing technique for that.
	And by the way, the social sciences are very clear on that.
	And that's why so many people, young men especially, who've had this happen to them, end up doing it themselves to other people.
	No, the reason they're doing it is because they're never owning that there was part of that that they enjoyed.
	No.
	Once they admit there was part of it they enjoyed, and then they, and then they, Earth, I'm telling you literally the process of how to heal this.
	Remember.
	You haven't healed it in you.
	I have.
	You haven't.
	You just got done telling me you're still experiencing the same exact type of trauma.
	But listen, I no longer let the trauma create an chronic condition.
	So traumas are going to be coming at us constantly, okay?
	I have exposed myself to particular being an influencer, having attacks, being out there with myself.
	And so obviously I'm going to have these attacks and acute traumas coming at me.
	I have learned through my sexuality, through kink, conscious kink, BDSM, through being able to express my exhibitionism, to be seen in that way, and to be allowed to just be a sexual being.
	That is my healing because otherwise I would go out there.
	When I still had my rape trauma response.
	Wayna, we're done.
	We're done with this.
	We got to move the combo on.
	I understand that you're not trying to use the words maliciously.
	You don't understand how stringent the terms of service are for these types of video streaming services.
	They just don't want this kind of stuff talked about.
	So I have to move it on.
	Okay.
	Trust me, I much prefer to just dive into it, but we can.
	So I'm hoping we can perhaps find something to actually engage on here.
	So, I mean, you mentioned something in your messages about ethical extortion.
	Yeah.
	What's your question?
	Is that something that you engage in?
	Give me your definition of extortion.
	It's the.
	Of extortion.
	Yeah.
	Well, you use the term ethical extortion.
	But what does the word extortion mean?
	My definition matters here.
	Well, so that way I can make sure that I explain it in a way that you understand so that we're using the same word.
	That's the word you used.
	Why don't you tell me your definition?
	Okay, so extortion is the easiest way to describe it is a blackmail situation, right?
	So you do this or you're going to have this consequence.
	Now, unethical extortion is when you have no right to take what it is you're blackmailing that person to get, right?
	So it's their intellectual property, their money, their whatever, and they're entitled to that.
	And there is nothing in the spiritual realm or moral realm or legal realm that would make you entitled to have that.
	So if you do anything to take that from them, that is unethical extortion.
	But what an ethical extortion is, is, for example, if a man comes to my residence and breaks in my home and I hold a gun to his head and I say, get out of my house or I'm going to shoot you, that's ethical extortion because I am commanding him to do something.
	And if he doesn't, I am going to hold him accountable to suffering the consequences of that action.
	And that is ethical.
	But that wouldn't be extortion.
	But that is what I'm talking about when I'm saying ethical extortion.
	It is simply holding people accountable and as a person, person to person, executing judgment on them because it's something that you're so sure is right before God, you're just willing to do it.
	And if you were in the wrong, you're willing to suffer legal consequences.
	Meaning you're so sure that that person deserves to die.
	You deserve to be in the same place.
	You mean in the case of your home being broken in?
	Well, any case, like any case where you have been wronged.
	Do you think that Brian deserves to be unalive?
	There were his moments.
	I mean, do you think, honestly, he deserves that?
	Honestly, I can't tell what's in Brian's heart and soul.
	So, I mean, what do you think?
	Do you think he deserves it?
	Only time will tell.
	Yeah, but what do you think right now?
	From what I can see.
	Do I deserve it?
	I mean, for sure, I deserve it, right?
	Well, if we're just talking of what I know of you two up until this point, nothing in the future.
	Nothing in the future.
	I would say you are contributing to more brokenness than healing.
	And thus, I would rather you not be here, yes.
	Okay.
	So if that's the case, if you have declared, much like the burglar, to intend to do us harm, then aren't we engaging in ethical, ethical, what was the word you used?
	Extortion.
	Aren't we engaging in ethical extortion by basically saying, well, now you do this or else, because you're basically threatening to do everything in the world to us, as to and including leading us down a road to being unalived if necessary, because you think we're doing more harm than good.
	Wouldn't Brian then be the one who is conducting ethical extortion if he fought back against that?
	He can try because I mean, wouldn't he be?
	Here's the thing with ethical extortion.
	It literally only works if you're right, if you are in the right.
	Like when somebody declares that they're going to try to do everything they can to destroy your life to the point that you unalive yourself, don't you think that from their perspective, they would say, since you've made that declaration, now anything I do back to you is justified?
	Again, you can try it, but if you're not.
	That's not my question.
	My question isn't whether or not you can try it.
	Of course, you could try anything.
	My question is, from the perception of the person you're declaring that to, would it not then, from their perspective, be reasonable to say, wait, if that's what you want to do to me, then any defense mode I have back, you deserve it?
	They would think that.
	I would think that they would say that.
	Aren't you perpetuating, and this is why Christianity, by the way, superior to your worldview.
	Aren't you perpetuating the very same value which you're accusing the other person of violating?
	Yes, and it's called eye for an eye, you reap what you sow.
	And so I don't believe anything would come of unethical extortion towards a person using ethical extortion.
	If I actually wronged you in a way that was not compensatory to how you had wronged me, shit's not going to go well for me.
	It would go well for you.
	Even if it's true that you reap what you sow, if you utilize eye for an eye against a person, they snatch your eye, then you snatch theirs.
	So then therefore they go and they snatch your this, and so you take out this.
	Isn't the entire purpose of breaking the cycle of you reap what you sow actually meaning this?
	That if somebody attacks you and you're forgiving towards that person and walk away from it, you are then reaping that down the road that people will be forgiving towards you.
	The thing is, is each of us as adults have the responsibility to hold other adults accountable when it comes to when it comes to the harm of children.
	It's just a God-given responsibility.
	If you don't have it, you're not from God's life.
	What moral standard are you appealing to?
	What God?
	The God that thinks you should be a sex worker?
	That's not the God I would say.
	The God of creation is a lot bigger than your ideology of it.
	Well, what is it?
	You don't even know what my ideology is or what I think the God of creation is.
	You just told me that God would never endorse sex work.
	No, what I, well, yeah, that's true.
	He wouldn't.
	But I mean, that's very clear that he wouldn't.
	How is it very clear?
	Because he gives a commandment about coveting.
	And he also gives a commandment about adultering.
	How did Mary get pregnant?
	It was through divinity.
	So God fucked her?
	No, God didn't fuck her.
	I'm sorry, did God fuck the earth to make Adam too?
	Basically.
	Basically or yes?
	Over a long evolutionary process, yes.
	Oh, okay.
	So no.
	So the answer is no.
	No, the answer is yes.
	No, well, the answer would be no, because that's not true.
	Well, the answer is yes.
	How?
	How is that sex?
	Fucking something infers penetrating.
	Penetrating one thing that is structural and able to penetrate is then penetrating something else.
	Yeah, you're just using the word penetrating a lot, but not telling me how this is sex.
	Sex to have sex with the earth, which led to evolution.
	Because the consciousness of God penetrated physical matter.
	So all sex is to you is penetration?
	Yes.
	Oh, okay.
	So I just had sex.
	Fucking brilliant.
	Gonna go have a smoke now.
	Okay.
	Now that I've had sex.
	He did penetrate that piece of paper.
	A bit of a one-pump chump, but he did.
	he did penetrate the piece of paper i do want to come back to so you said eye for an eye and you said that you think it would be better if me and andrew were not around to put it lightly And so you feel that's warranted because why?
	Well, like I said, I believe up until this point of what I know of you and I know of your platform, I believe you are, in a sense, doing more harm than good.
	Simple as that.
	And so for this reason, you believe that me and Andrew should be assassinated?
	Yeah, or just not exist anymore, because what's the point of you being here?
	If you're not helping, if you're not helping heal, and you're not contributing any solutions to society, literally, why are you here?
	I don't understand.
	What is your point?
	What makes you judge, jury, and executioner when it comes to determining the value which we provide to society?
	I'm observing God.
	I'm an incarnation of God, yes.
	I wish Andrew was here.
	You are God.
	You could be too, if you were actually doing what God made you to do, which is protect and serve women and children.
	My job is not to protect and serve.
	It actually is.
	That is your divine calling, and you're not doing it, so therefore you're not in alignment with.
	Did you learn that at St. Baptist?
	What was it, the Baptist, or what was the...
	No, I learned that from life.
	Well, you said God.
	The Christian God, which God are we referring to?
	The God of life, the creator of life.
	Okay.
	The cosmos and the biological matter.
	So you feel that it is warranted then that me and Andrew are deleted because we hurt your feelings.
	No, it's because I can't see you making any positive contribution to society.
	Maybe Andrew's different because at least he's, I'm assuming, financially supporting a woman and child.
	So you can only contribute to society as a man if you're financially supporting women?
	You can only contribute to society as a man if you are serving and protecting women and children.
	If you are not serving and protecting women and children, then you are failing at your calling as a man.
	You're failing.
	At your primary basic calling as a man is literally to serve and protect women.
	If any woman is coming into your presence and you and you are genuinely having the mindset and the intention to protect her and serve her, a woman feels that, Brian.
	We feel it.
	So if we don't feel it, then therefore you're not serving and protecting us.
	And I don't see the point of your existence because if you're not serving and protecting, you basically turn into a predator.
	That is the most man-hating and misandrous thing I've ever heard, that if a man is not serving women, that he is a predator, that he is useless, on its face, that is, like I said, one of the most man-hating, misandrous things I've ever heard on the show.
	Again, though, so because you think or you feel that we've hurt your feelings and perhaps the feelings of other people, you think that I, four and I, that violence can be done upon me and Andrew on this basis alone?
	It's nothing to do with my feelings as an individual.
	It's everything to do with the environment of hostility that you are promoting on your platform.
	I believe it's very dangerous to society.
	Right now, especially right now.
	How is it dangerous?
	These minds are not, the minds that we have in this generation are not the same as your mind and my mind when we were growing up.
	Do you think porn is good or bad for society?
	I think that unconscious, addictive, fake, like acting porn is very toxic to society.
	You produce porn.
	I show my genuine, authentic sexuality.
	So I'm not faking anything.
	I am not, I am literally expressing Instagram.
	You twerk on your Instagram.
	How is that authentic and genuine?
	And you're, I mean, there's not.
	You're working as a form of dance.
	Yeah, there is not there is nothing authentic and genuine about the porn that you're producing.
	Have you watched my porn?
	No, I have not, but I mean, I've seen your Instagram and it's absolutely degenerate.
	What makes it degenerate?
	You just look at it and it's just degenerate.
	In your opinion.
	Okay.
	There's many people that don't share that opinion.
	Right, but despite your despite your conduct and grievances and misconduct, I don't think you should be unalive for it.
	But you seem to think that because people hurt your feelings, they should be physically violently attacked.
	Incorrect.
	I literally said it.
	I didn't say it was my feelings.
	I said it was because, again, I'll say it for the third time because it's not landing for you, obviously.
	I said it's because I believe as a mother, as a social scientist, as a healer, that what I see you propagating on your platform is extremely detrimental to the society that we are currently operating in.
	These kids didn't grow up with the ideologies that Andrew did or you did.
	How old are you?
	How is that relevant?
	I need to know your generation so I know what ideology you came in with.
	35.
	Okay, 35 and 40?
	These fucking kids do not have the brains you guys do.
	They can't handle this shit.
	We have women of all ages on the show.
	But you have to understand that your primary male audience is probably aged 18 to 25.
	I studied that.
	No, actually, I mean, looking at our YouTube analytics, I believe the age range is 25 to 34.
	The primary male audiences.
	Okay.
	Well, let's say you have 10% who are in the younger generation who literally do.
	The propaganda and the brainwash and the lack of being able to at all handle a triggering the male audience?
	I'm saying these young ones cannot handle this shit that you guys are propagating.
	They can't handle words.
	They can't handle.
	They can't handle words.
	They don't know how to critically think anymore.
	So when you guys promote something and you are guys that they look up to, we talk about dating and sometimes it gets about culture war and political stuff, but mostly about dating.
	And we talk, like I said, culturally.
	Andrew, Brian, are you trying to argue or do you want to know why I am telling you I wouldn't mind if you disappeared?
	That's what I'm trying to get at.
	It's not something you can argue with.
	That is why I'm telling you, I would rather.
	You're honestly like, it's your truth.
	You're a despicable person, to be honest.
	Okay.
	I mean, to say that you'd rather somebody, even the, there's no person who's come on the show, and there's plenty of women who have who have done malicious things on the show.
	I don't wish any of them.
	Because they're pussies.
	They're pussies.
	Hold on, let's go.
	Nobody understands.
	Let me finish.
	When you're a fucking parent and you have children that you are literally watching day in and day out.
	Concealed man donated 100 birds.
	You're allowing this psychotic, degenerate woman to have her way all on you.
	She says she's a mother and yet she wishes death upon you.
	This is the exact reason why her child should be taken away.
	911.
	Thank you, Concealed Man.
	Again, really quick, we've had a lot of women on the show.
	Some of them have not conducted themselves properly.
	I don't wish harm, any sort of physical harm or death on any of them.
	But because me and Andrew hurt your Fifis, we hurt your feelings.
	I'll say it for the fourth time.
	You're insane.
	It's nothing to do with my personal feelings.
	It has nothing to do with it.
	I was looking at it from the perspective of a social scientist who is literally studying what the fuck is going wrong with these kids because it's not okay right now.
	And you think that's...
	No, you said he couldn't argue with your truth.
	That is your feelings.
	It can't be the truth.
	If you want to call it my feelings based in the fucking science right now, sure.
	Based on the fucking statistics.
	The statistics aren't telling.
	Science can't give you oughts.
	The statistics are sane.
	Science is psychopaths are getting younger and younger.
	But it doesn't tell you what you ought to do with that information.
	Is claims are not ought claims.
	You saying, science, science backs up my ought.
	Science can't back up your ought.
	Ought claims are not made scientifically.
	Those are just is claims.
	Why should you be allowed to live?
	What are you contributing to?
	This is true.
	This is true.
	What are you contributing?
	I have contributed to the next generation and still am.
	How?
	What are you talking about?
	Because I'm still raising it.
	How are you raising them?
	I have fucking children.
	Are they allowed to twerk if they want?
	No, of course not.
	Of course not.
	So your children have.
	Are your children allowed to get mogur on their face like you do in your pics?
	My children.
	Is your child allowed to go suck a dick right now?
	Are his mommy going to pat him on the head and say, good job, sweetheart?
	Listen, answer the question.
	I just answered your question.
	If that is genuinely where my children were at and their development and they were ready to take on those expressions of their personal sexuality, I would do everything I could to make sure that they were supported in making healthy decisions.
	At least the battery has a positive side.
	So the answer is yes.
	I'm sorry that I won't let my children get together.
	I don't believe it.
	My daughters twerk.
	I'm sorry I won't let her.
	I don't believe that children were born to be indoctrinated by the belief systems of their parents.
	I believe that every child was born with their own thought processes, their own giftings, their own callings in life.
	And when you just have a simple question morals based on a certain cultural ideology, I believe that's child abuse.
	Don't you believe all morals are made up?
	I believe, yes.
	Morals are man-made, but there is a code of ethics that we should be born to.
	Which is man-made also?
	No, ethics are coming from God.
	Oh, so it's okay.
	So your ethics come from God.
	Correct.
	Do you believe that everybody should follow the ethics of this God you believe in?
	I do.
	Okay.
	So how do you get them to follow those ethics if they're doing the wrong thing for your God?
	Here's the thing.
	No, no, no.
	The wrong stuff sorts out.
	You got to answer my question here.
	What is your question?
	So here's what I'm asking you specifically.
	Morality is just a human construct.
	However, the morals which you get from your God are objective.
	And because they're objective, everybody ought to follow them.
	Ought to, right?
	Everybody should, or they're doing something wrong, right?
	Honestly, I don't understand what you're asking.
	When your God tells you what is moral, this God that you worship.
	Well, my God is more like here.
	You're the God?
	I'm embodying God.
	Okay, you're embodying God.
	Got it.
	So you're God?
	Correct.
	Okay, so if you're God, then everything you say is what's moral?
	Well, remember, I said I am not going with morals.
	I'm going with ethics.
	Okay, so everything you say is ethical.
	Yes, I believe it is.
	Okay, and are you going to teach your children that?
	Yes, that's what I teach them.
	Then you're fucking indoctrinating children.
	But here's the thing.
	But here's the thing.
	I always give them multiple ways to look at that.
	That's really weird.
	If your ethical system is correct and it is morally objective and you tell your kids not to follow it, then you're telling them to be immoral by your own standard.
	Okay.
	I think that you have gotten to the point where you don't want to understand what I'm saying.
	Oh, no, no, no.
	I understand completely.
	In fact, I'm going to steel man it for you.
	Here's what you just said.
	I am God.
	Everything which I say is ethical.
	Great.
	So all things moral come from you.
	I think they do.
	Do you teach your children that system?
	Yes.
	Great.
	That means you are teaching your children what are, from your perspective, objective morals.
	But you also allow them to move towards other systems.
	If that is the case, then you're allowing them to move towards immoral systems.
	False.
	I am not imposing a moral code onto my children.
	But shouldn't you be if that is what's moral?
	I am allowing my children to discover the truth of their own being.
	Because I believe that the ethics that are God-given are embedded in the truth of who we are born being.
	And if you fuck with that by...
	Since you're God, can you give me your Ten Commandments?
	The same Ten Commandments that are in the Bible.
	The same?
	That I should have no God above you?
	Well, no, the Ten Commandments, you want me to make up a Ten Commandment?
	I'm not going to be able to do that.
	I have five.
	In the early modern period, from about 1400 to 1775, about 100,000 people were prosecuted for witchcraft in Europe and British America.
	That's because they were conducting abortions.
	So over here to this, though, yeah, give me your five.
	What are your five commandments?
	From God.
	Actually, I think I wrote it in here.
	Just a sec.
	God can't remember her commandments?
	I have a lot in here.
	Trust me.
	God is not omnipotent and omniscient?
	Well, not when being attacked, per se.
	God can't handle attacks?
	He can, but it's God doesn't know he's supposed to talk in the mic?
	God's not human.
	You said you're God.
	I'm an embodiment of God, meaning this body system, a little constricted into this.
	God's trying to move through me.
	Now, I still have some restriction because I'm in this human form.
	Okay, so God is an external being.
	God is life itself.
	Yeah, so God is life.
	Would that make me God?
	Only if you are embodying life force energy.
	I see you trying to stuff and deny a lot of your life force energy and argue with God and argue with God.
	But if I'm God, then shouldn't I be able to do that if I want to?
	Well, here's the thing.
	Here's the thing.
	Everybody has the opportunity to embody God.
	That doesn't mean everybody does it.
	And slowly over time, I notice around age 35.
	Notice by age 35, if you have denied your authentic self that you were born to be for up for 33, 34, 35 years, I believe at that point you have literally reprogrammed your own brain to follow the morals or the trends or the constructs of the time rather than who you were actually born to be, which might be a fucking thing.
	If your children listened to your ethical worldview and came to the conclusion that God says they should follow the way Andrew and Brian live, would you also wish your own children no longer existed?
	Fantastic question.
	If your children decided to live the same way that me and Brian live, by your standard, wouldn't you have to wish that they weren't in existence?
	Yeah, if they were to your ages, 35 and they were still propagating this and I saw no hope that they were going to get it, yes, I would wish them not to be here anymore.
	Okay.
	For the high crime of disagreeing with mama?
	No, for not creating a healthy environment on the earth, which is the only reason he's not.
	I think we're the only ones creating it.
	I think that you're stifling a healthy environment for any human being on planet Earth, personally.
	Okay, so I'll just try to think of it off the top of my head.
	So essentially, I believe that the code of ethics basically comes down to this.
	Okay.
	When we're thinking of anything we're going to do, okay, we need to.
	Now, assuming the person is not a psychopath, the psychopaths are those few people born just.
	Why would it matter if they were psychopathic?
	Because if they're psychopathic, they don't have the emotional structures for this to work.
	It doesn't work on them.
	But they still would need to follow the ethical code, right?
	You could teach them cognitively how to do it.
	You could.
	I mean, you would hold them to the standard of this ethical code.
	That's all I'm asking.
	Well, yes.
	Okay, that's what I'm saying.
	And if they weren't able to cognitively follow it, you should take them out.
	Okay, so essentially, with everything you're thinking of doing, you want to ask yourself these five questions.
	And if you can't say yes to all five of these questions, you're not making an ethical choice.
	Okay, so number one: does this idea of doing this or choosing this, does it give me a greater sense of aliveness?
	Do I feel more alive when I think of making that choice?
	Right, okay, so that's the first one.
	Second one: Is there good in this for other people?
	So, meaning, is it basically like a win-win situation?
	It's good for me and it's good for other people.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	Number three.
	Now, and I want to preface to say good doesn't necessarily mean that somebody else is going to like it.
	Okay.
	What's that?
	Okay.
	So, number three is: does it align with my core values?
	Okay.
	Okay, so that core values are going to imply that you have gotten to know yourself.
	Okay, so for example, some people are just naturally super into like animal rights, you know, and that's very important to them.
	Some people have kids and obviously.
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	What's for?
	Okay, and then because I mean, these are real answers.
	What's for?
	I'm trying to remember.
	Four is: Do you need help from a higher power to achieve this?
	Meaning, the higher power could be your idea of God, but it also could be a teacher, a parent, you know, an elder, a therapist.
	Just do I need basically, do I need to expand myself and ask for help to do this?
	And then what's five?
	And then five would be almost done, Brian.
	Sorry, it's hard to come up with it on the spot.
	Five would be does it require that I grow?
	Basically, meaning does it take me outside my comfort zone?
	Okay, require.
	So, if everything that you do, I believe, and you get quick at doing this when it becomes embedded in who you are, but everything you're doing, you want to run through those things and you want to say yes to all of it.
	If you can't say yes to all of it, you need to keep tweaking your plan because there's a better way to do it.
	I just want to let you know by your five commandments, Brian is one of the most ethical men I've ever met.
	So, okay, well, then you need to have nothing to worry about.
	Start with, does this make me more alive?
	Yeah, so every single time Brian does this podcast, and according to the conversations I've had with him afterwards, he definitely is having fun.
	He's definitely getting into the spirit of things.
	That's definitely part of this idea of aliveness you've described.
	Is there good in this?
	Definitely.
	Receives hundreds of DMs from men all over the world saying thank you for this.
	This has been great.
	It's been eye-opening.
	It's been very helpful to me.
	Three, does it align with my values?
	Most certainly aligns with Brian's values.
	His value of trying to do one in two, in fact, would align with those values.
	He says, Do I need help from a higher power?
	Very interesting way to phrase it, as Brian has been moving towards religiosity lately.
	Isn't that interesting?
	Because of this podcast, in fact, does it require that he grows?
	Absolutely.
	And you can see from the growth of his channel, you can see from the growth of him as a person when he first started to write now.
	So, according to this, Brian, the man you want to unalive by your own commandments, is following your ethical system to the letter.
	Okay, well, then he has nothing to worry about.
	But why should he worry about something from you when he's following your ethical code?
	Well, you're telling him he doesn't need to worry.
	So, just tell me.
	Now, I'm asking you why he should worry if he's following your ethical code.
	What standard could you hold him immoral if this is your ethical code?
	Because I believe his higher power isn't quite as high as he thinks it is.
	But he's following your ethical code.
	Right, but his higher power isn't the correct one.
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	Yeah.
	I'm going to go get some more.
	Thank you, Chuck.
	I'm good.
	If you want to keep going on that, I thought that was fantastic.
	Yeah, so while she's getting that.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Lip gloss.
	Yeah, so I don't really understand.
	What of the, when you say higher power, what higher power are you referencing that he doesn't follow that you follow?
	I don't get that.
	Well, I suppose we'll wait until she's back.
	We do have a message here.
	Maddie, can you read it?
	People have an inability to understand that their sense of right is subjective.
	No human on earth has the ability to be all right, all knowing.
	That's why we have voting.
	Brandrew, protect women and children by conserving true masculine values in modern health.
	So anyway, so Brian, he's saying he's not the embodiment of these values because of three, which are, I'm sorry, four.
	Do you need help?
	But you didn't frame four as a specific God.
	In fact, you frame four, and I took a cliff note here, as you could be appealing to X, you could be appealing to Y, you could be appealing to Z. You didn't say you had to appeal to your specific God.
	It's interesting that you changed the answer to now it has to be your specific God when we use your own value judgment and realize that Brian is living up to the very ethical standards you demand he lives up to.
	So you posed the question in a little bit more of an understandable way before this, before I went, when I was going to get my lip gloss.
	You had said, well, then who is that God?
	And I would say the God is the God of authenticity.
	So the only reason I'm saying that Andrew has basically veered course, even if he's following all those things, I don't believe that this platform and what I see the undertones of it propagating, the subculture, you could say, I don't see the subculture being coming from your authentic self.
	So I don't understand.
	This is really weird because all of these things which you have given us are a subjective metric.
	And as I went through each one of them, you couldn't give me a single disagreement for how he's not following everyone on, especially when you initially gave us the, do you need help, which is a question as part of the commandment.
	And then if you do, you reach out to XYZ.
	You even gave an example of something which is a higher power, but not a lot of people.
	You have to, essentially, if this choice that you're going to make, if that choice doesn't require that you basically tune in to a higher guidance, whether that higher guidance comes from your own prayer and meditation, whether it comes from you take a training course from somebody, more expert in that area, wherever it comes from, talking to your grandma about life lessons, whatever resonates for you.
	But essentially, that ensures that you're having the accountability to have somebody check you.
	Because essentially, you're checking in with somebody, something that you think.
	How could you be held to more of an account than already following each one of these commandments, actually allowing your accuser to face you, giving the accuser a platform in front of thousands in which to face you down, and following the ethical system provided by the accuser to the letter?
	How in the world can you reconcile that Brian bad guy when he's doing all of the things on the, when you're talking about accountability, for instance, being held accountable to the world in a way that you're not daily?
	He's being held accountable in a way that I'm not?
	How do you figure?
	Because Brian has tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands of people who tune in to ridicule every aspect of his life every single day across the entire world.
	This is not isolated in the United States.
	This is Canada, United States, Mexico, South America.
	This is all over Australia.
	This is, I mean, there's probably motherfuckers in Antarctica on some station in Antarctica.
	And hang on, hang on, in a battleship somewhere who are sitting off the coast watching this fucking program and holding Brian accountable.
	I can't think of a man held to more of an account on the internet than Brian fucking Atlas, who is following all of your ethical systems.
	And then when you say the one problem you have is there's no way to hold him accountable, he's being held accountable by way more people than you are.
	No, I didn't say that.
	I was simply saying I was explaining the reason behind why that number was an accountability system.
	And that's why it's part of a code of ethics.
	That's all I was saying.
	I wasn't denying.
	And you know what?
	I want to say this.
	What I want to say is what I like about ethical extortion, as I called it, is my words will fall flat if you don't deserve what I'm saying.
	It wouldn't even have Threaten you because the reason I can threaten you is because if I do threaten you and nothing happens, well, then you just didn't deserve it.
	Yes.
	Yeah, that's very convenient, isn't it?
	Well, you're doing the same thing to me.
	How have I ever threatened you or said a word about you being unalive to order?
	Okay, here's the thing: your tone and the way that you degrade me and every thought I have.
	I deserve to die because of my tone.
	It essentially is promoting the message to anybody who would resonate with that frequency of speaking to somebody.
	It's telling all of them, she's a piece of shit.
	Yeah.
	She's a piece of shit.
	Don't listen to anything she says.
	She's useless.
	She's dumb.
	And by the way, anybody who at all reminds you of her, also don't listen to them.
	Yeah, I would actually stand behind the idea that you are dumb and crazy and that nobody should ever listen to you.
	But I have good justifiable reasons for why I think that, which have been demonstrated.
	The idea that I'm not following your moral system is laughable.
	I hold myself to a way higher standard than what your ethical system is, and so does Brian.
	That's what's wild to me.
	And then it's like, okay, but what about being held to account?
	Not only is he held to account by tens and hundreds of thousands of people, but he's actually allowing you to confront him right now.
	How could you be held more accountable ever?
	And you know who disengaged, who didn't want to hold Brian Atlas to account?
	You.
	Because the second he had an opportunity to engage, and the second you thought, oh, wait, I might be wrong, you shut down, you started crying, you pouted, and you rage quit.
	Imagine you being the person who could finally hold someone to account who fell short of your ethical system.
	And when you get the opportunity, you just start bawling like a baby and rage quit.
	I don't really believe that it's necessary for me.
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	I have never seen or heard such delusional, horrifying BS in my life.
	I just have to get a protein.
	Yeah, yeah, no problem.
	Darn, that would have melted.
	What was the question you asked just right before that?
	It was.
	I said, how is it when you finally have the opportunity to confront the person who you think is so problematic, instead of actually doing the confrontation, you break down and start crying and leave because they disagree with why you hate them?
	That just, that's just nuts to me.
	So it's such a rare opportunity that anybody ever gets inside of these spaces ever to confront the people that they have a problem with in front of their audience on their turf.
	And yet when you did it, you fell apart in five seconds.
	If I can just add to that really quick, I will, I frequently will have people who make videos criticizing me, criticizing the show, criticizing Andrew.
	They'll voice their criticisms on Twitter.
	They'll make YouTube videos about it, news articles, whatever.
	And I'll actually invite these people on for them to actually face me, face Andrew, and voice their actual criticisms and critiques.
	Now, when I attempted multiple times to explore, so you could hold me to account and hold me accountable for the ways in which you think I'm conducting myself inappropriately or poorly, when I've given you the opportunity, in every instance you've just shut down, you hit your little no joke button or whatever.
	So, I mean, I just have to ditto and echo exactly what Andrew said here.
	I mean, he raised a Counter argument and the last thing I'll say on this point, wherever you want to move it, the reason that I believe that you shut down is because it was the first time in a long time you've been held to account for something.
	And the second you get held to account, well, wait, I was here to just go after you.
	What about the court case that I'm in right now?
	What about it?
	What is that?
	Is that not the one that you just won and thanked the entire whatever party?
	We haven't even gotten to court yet.
	We only have done the mediation, which is why I had to.
	Huh?
	Are you the plaintiff?
	Which one's that?
	Did you bring the case or did somebody else?
	No, the ex did.
	What kind of case is it?
	It's a custody case.
	I thought you said that you got full custody.
	I have full custody right now because they're not safe with their dad while the investigation.
	Yeah, that's not being held to account.
	There's a discussion.
	How is that not being held to account?
	Because here you have a process in which you're being held.
	The stakes, right, while high, are actually kind of low.
	In other words, you could have your kids taken away by your ex in this instance, right?
	And I'm not hoping that this happens.
	I'm just saying, if it did, you could always say, that had nothing to do with me.
	That's because the court system was unjust and unfair.
	It's because of this.
	It's because of that.
	You could make all of those claims.
	Much harder to make the claim when somebody else just shatters your worldview in five seconds and you can't defend it.
	There's a difference between me getting emotional because an ego construct that I really was invested in maintaining shatters.
	That's totally different.
	That is not something that I do on the spot in a situation like this.
	What you guys saw was genuinely, Brian can read my rantings from last night.
	I wasn't even going to come.
	I was literally crying myself to sleep, like scared.
	Yeah, but that's how you deal with trauma.
	Yeah, and so I felt that I had moved enough of it out of me.
	And he said, relax, it'll be fine.
	Don't fret.
	It has been fine.
	Well, the only person who's fallen apart here today is that you're not going to be able to do that.
	Well, obviously, I wasn't strong enough.
	I cried because there's a lot of pain points.
	Yeah, because you were being held to account for the horrible things that you've been saying.
	No, it was because, again, I felt that your points of attack weren't working.
	And so they made you upset when I was accounting.
	I thought my platform and who I am is being grossly misrepresented.
	You're the one representing it.
	I am being pigeonholed into certain responses.
	So you're a victim.
	By you.
	Yeah.
	In this situation.
	Yeah, so you're a victim.
	I'm being victimized.
	So, wait a second.
	So when invited on so that you could make all of your attacks, that's fair.
	But if somebody counterattacks, which is what you say we should do, because that's the way in which, what did you call it?
	Benevolent extortion is done.
	When somebody declares their intent to destroy you, you have every right to hit back.
	So when somebody does that, after you declared your intent, you fall to pieces.
	That's just not fair.
	What do you do when emotion, what do you do as a man, as a coping strategy, perhaps?
	How do you hold it together when you're when we hear something we disagree with?
	No, when something touches your heart so deeply, the tears are coming.
	I mean, I don't know how do you do it?
	What I do, here's what I do, more than anything else.
	What I do is keep my emotions under control.
	But how?
	I'm going to explain how.
	Okay.
	I have faith in the true God, the one that actually exists.
	That God actually guides my life.
	That God actually guides people's lives.
	And there is a teleology, a telos, a purpose.
	I agree with you there that people do have.
	Men's purpose is not to yield to emotion, but to control emotion because when we become enslaved to our emotion, we become fucking dangerous.
	We become the people who are unhinged.
	We rip doors off of walls in seconds.
	We become super strong in seconds when you have adrenaline pumping and this type of thing in ways that are highly dangerous to society.
	Society couldn't even fucking function if men didn't walk around with an exemplary amount of emotional control.
	And yet what happens is women want us to respect you for saying, well, wait, I'm a very emotional creature.
	And we're like, yeah, we know.
	But the expectations I keep it under control, my expectations that you do too, at least to some degree.
	Well, the thing is, though, a woman's emotionality and what men typically call like crazy or hysteria or all of this stuff that we're hearing people call me.
	That is actually our protective measure because we're not as physically strong as you.
	So literally all we have is basically our acting like a bear.
	Yeah, so you're relying on the benevolence of men.
	So what I'm saying is, is your testosterone hormonally literally changes how emotions affect you versus a woman.
	We literally can't do what you do.
	If we do, we start fucking with our own hormonal.
	You know, it's interesting.
	I used to believe something similar to this until I started having children.
	And I have adult female children.
	And here's what's interesting.
	I have seen so many times that the tears will get turned on in seconds for the purposes of manipulation under the guise of I can't control it or help it.
	And then I also have seen instantly women shut this right off if they think that that behooves them.
	So while I do think that women struggle with emotional control more than men, and I'm willing to grant that, I also think that they dive into it as a form of control over men, trying to play against men's benevolency of, I'm just a helpless victim.
	I couldn't control myself when I set your shit on fire.
	It wasn't my fault that I said horrible things.
	I had nothing to do with it.
	It was the crazy emotions in my brain.
	And it's like, well, but when it seems like your task to actually control them, you seem to be able to, unless it suits you not to.
	That's the problem I have.
	Okay, so your daughters are the ones who gave you this trauma.
	Oh my God, it's not trauma.
	No, I'm just asking.
	It's observation.
	Of which, so you mentioned your daughters.
	Which other women are you observing this in?
	Oh, I've observed it in thousands of women I've had conversations with all over the world, who I've seen utilize tears specifically for the purpose of manipulation.
	How do you know?
	Because later they admit it.
	For instance, I've had women who have made videos where they've cried inside of videos and things like that, who have later said, look, I did use that kind of as a tactic and leaned into it quite a bit, this kind of thing.
	It's very obvious.
	So where are you meeting these?
	Very obvious.
	Do you have a channel or something?
	Like, we've met a lot of them in person right here on the whatever podcast.
	I'm trying to answer your question.
	I've met a lot of them here on the whatever podcast, but I've talked to thousands of them within Discord, Telegram, Twitter, all over the fucking world.
	I've talked to these different people.
	So are you like a coach for women or how are you getting out of this?
	No, I'm usually involved in group conversations where women also.
	So you have a group?
	You got to let me answer.
	I'm usually involved in group conversations.
	Where do they start from?
	Like a situation.
	Usually they'll start on a place like Twitter.
	Maybe there'll be a space where you're trying to answer your question.
	So usually you'll start with two or three people and then hundreds of people will begin to move into, okay, try and answer.
	Then you can ask.
	Then hundreds of people will move into these groups.
	And yes, sometimes the groups will fracture.
	You'll have five, six different people talking.
	So, yeah, I have discussions with women all over the world all the time and have for years.
	But I'm not understanding.
	They're coming to your Twitter and leaving comments, and that's how you're finding them.
	I'm not understanding.
	Like a Twitter live space or a Discord live space or a YouTube live space or places like this.
	So you're just leaving a comment on somebody else's video and voice chatting with them like I am with you right now.
	We're talking about the technology or like what people are doing.
	So I'm just trying to put it into context.
	Take them like group calls.
	That you start?
	Yes, that I start.
	So you start it, and then these women, where are they coming from?
	I just don't understand how they're going to be.
	They're all over the internet because I'm a really popular internet personality.
	So when I host spaces and things like this inside of popular platforms, lots of people want to come in and listen to them.
	Like you have your own cult following.
	I wouldn't say it's a cult following.
	Well, I'm just saying like how we call like cult culture.
	So you're talking about like from the observation of a cult of personality, sure.
	But if you're talking about it from the observation of like a religious culture, like you have.
	No, no, no.
	I'm not talking about that.
	I'm just talking about you have a fan base of people who enjoy your haters or haters.
	Okay.
	So I have fans and haters alike and I've talked with both extensively.
	Okay.
	And you're saying that.
	Based on the observations in both my personal life and then external life, including in the workplace, including in many different avenues, I have seen that women very often can have emotional control but get a pass for not having emotional control.
	Was your mom like that?
	Nope.
	Is your wife like that?
	Nope.
	Your first wife?
	No.
	What do you mean?
	My black first ex-wife?
	She was black?
	Apparently.
	Anyway, so the thing is, it's like, no, nobody, nobody really close.
	First of all, I wouldn't marry my wife if she was like that.
	Second of all, no, of course my mom wasn't like that.
	My dad would have governed her behavior very quickly.
	But it is something that you see very commonly in women.
	Do you want it to not be true?
	No, I know.
	I get it.
	I get it.
	I'm just asking: is there part of you that is longing for that not to be the case?
	Would you enjoy a world in which women were no longer using emotional strategies to manipulate?
	Because the world would be better.
	I agree.
	Women would stop doing what you did earlier and try to utilize emotions.
	Try to utilize emotions.
	They're not even maybe room for the moment.
	Now, here's the thing.
	You are now in my presence telling me what my motivation was for having an emotional experience.
	Now, how do you turn the water works on and how easily you turn them off?
	Yeah, I'm a woman.
	Okay, I literally have a lot of people.
	Exactly.
	I have kids.
	So you have to understand, I have become a master at having my mental.
	Manipulation.
	No, it's a master at, we don't have time to have a full breakdown right now, honey.
	You got to like just let out enough of the pressure to like hold your shit together and then we got to get back to doing what we were doing.
	Honestly, it's a mom thing.
	When I was younger, I would have had a full breakdown and like I used to pass out a lot.
	That's how my body, or I would feel sick to my stomach.
	That's how my body would take me out of the situation for a long period of time.
	Okay.
	So none of that was emotional manipulation, the truth.
	No, I'm autistic.
	So then sticking your ass in my face was not supposed to be emotional manipulation.
	I was trying to get it.
	Yes, I was trying to shift the vibe.
	I wanted us to have a funner.
	So you were trying to do emotional manipulation.
	That time I was.
	That time I was.
	But when I actually cried.
	Because that time is the time I can hold you to account with an example you cannot refuse.
	But that doesn't mean that these other things that you're saying, they're not great examples of it.
	Just because I can't give it such an obvious representation that there's no way for you to refute it, so you have to admit it, doesn't mean that that's not what's been going on.
	Well, I just want you to know that it is my honest truth that the crying part was genuine emotion coming through.
	And honestly, I was on the fence about even coming.
	I wasn't sure I could handle it.
	And I was having moments where I was like, okay, I can't handle this.
	I thought I was like stronger than I am.
	Well, I mean, that was that.
	The ass thing was me trying to like sexually batter me.
	No, I would just rather have a good time.
	I would rather just us talk about fun topics without it having to be like your opinion has to trump mine.
	Yeah, yeah, but that wasn't even really how it started.
	The first sets of questions weren't even really revolving around debate, but just trying to get an understanding of how you think.
	Now that we understand how you think, we got to the point where you're making accusations and you said all these horrible things.
	You're being held to account for the horrible things you were saying.
	That's when you started crying.
	That's why I think that it might be a tactic for emotional manipulation.
	The second you were being held to account for I said all kinds of horrible things to you guys, which maybe weren't even justified, but just based on my feelings, now I'm using, I'm going to turn on the waterworks, right?
	Okay, so let's just be clear.
	You both believe that I am a liar.
	It's just as simple as that.
	I don't know if he does.
	It's just as simple as that.
	Okay, so Andrew believes I'm a liar.
	Do you believe I'm a liar?
	I don't really see how this is relevant, but it's relevant because we can just cut to the chase.
	If you both believe I'm a liar, then it doesn't matter what I say, you're not going to respect it.
	You're going to always say that I cried to manipulate you because you believe I'm a liar.
	So what would be the point of me defending that?
	There's no point.
	It's a null and void issue.
	Just move on.
	I believe I've caught you in multiple lies and you're a manipulator.
	Yes, I do believe that.
	But that's only based on my experience with you in the last few hours we've been here.
	I do have a question, a couple things I want to hit on here.
	You said that the justification for why you think me and Andrew should cease to exist is because we are propagating certain things, certain negative things, I suppose, at least from your perspective.
	Can you articulate precisely what it is we are propagating?
	I mean, I have shared explicitly with you throughout messages.
	So I would like to actually gauge your concern and active listening to the extensive explanations and messages I've sent.
	You think I've committed your walls of texts and paragraphs to memory?
	Why are you, why don't you just, instead of wasting time, instead of saying, Brian, you just do the work and go through the like literally not the novel of text you've sent me and you can outline, just give me three things that me and Andrew are propagating and it'll take you maybe 30 seconds to say it.
	It's very complex issues, hence why I wrote you so much.
	Huh?
	I mean, that I think you're just obfuscating here.
	You're just you can't even articulate it.
	It's even a fallacious thinking pattern because it's the fallacy of irreducible complexity.
	So the way that this is fallacious thinking in and of itself is to say, I cannot explain this to you because it's so complex.
	It has too many variables.
	It cannot be reduced down to these other things.
	But every premise, every thought, everything in existence, which I can see, starts with some principle, some core aspect of itself that we can reduce it down to to some degree that we can even understand it.
	So I think, I don't know, I'll exit the combo, let you guys talk, but it just seems like it's fallacious thinking.
	Well, you're welcome to stay.
	Yeah, but I want to have a smoke.
	Oh, okay.
	All right.
	So again.
	I do want to.
	Can you try to articulate what we are propagating?
	Hostility.
	Okay.
	Hostility?
	Sure.
	That's one.
	Okay.
	What else?
	Honestly, that sums it up.
	Hostility.
	We're hostile.
	Yeah.
	How do you define hostility?
	Having the intention of creating discord for the purpose of extorting something from that discord.
	Meaning, gaining off of the atmosphere that you're creating.
	Okay, so due to the perceived hostility of myself and Andrew and this podcast, you think that that is enough pretext for us to be ceasing to exist?
	Well, if we were two generations ago, I would say you guys are fine.
	It's no different than MMA fighting or all this stuff that guys do.
	Who cares?
	But because of the particular propaganda being indoctrinated into the youth right now, specifically, I don't believe they're psychologically able to handle what this show is propagating at large.
	Live conversations among consenting adults who have a wide variety of worldviews and opinions.
	We'll have liberal women, we'll have conservative women, we'll have moderate women on the show.
	Sometimes I'm not even involved in the disagreements.
	There'll be a conservative girl going after a liberal girl, a liberal girl going after a conservative girl.
	I don't see how that is in any way damaging whatsoever.
	Also, if you have some objection to this, you know, I have, relatively speaking, in the grand scheme of things, fairly little influence compared to, for example, the Goliath that is, you know, if you want to talk about propaganda, the Goliath that is institutions like the university system in this country.
	Sorry, I'm just checking in with my kids because it's not fast eight.
	Sorry.
	Okay.
	So why aren't you like, you know, I have a fairly small audience.
	There's massive systems out there that have, hold on.
	There are massive systems out there in the United States that have power that far exceeds mine, that has influence that far exceeds mine.
	For example, you look at the university system, every single university system in this country is steeped in feminism.
	Feminism has its claws, not just in the university system.
	These are institutions, systems, journalism, media, news, government, corporation.
	Hold on.
	Feminism has its claws in all of these institutions and systems.
	I have a, I am independently funded by myself, and I have some very generous contributors, you know, who watch the show, fan funding.
	When compared to, if we just look at the university, we remove corporations, we remove news, media, government.
	We look at the university system.
	They have billion-dollar endowments, and all of them have feminist study programs, women's studies program, gender study program.
	And the enrollment rate, there's millions and millions of women and men in these university systems that are indoctrinated by these very systems.
	So you think because I have a somewhat entertainment-focused dating podcast that sometimes gets into feminism politics, culture war stuff, that this is a more bigger fish to fry.
	Here's the thing.
	You're right.
	You're right.
	No, you're right.
	This is your crucifix.
	Brian, it's simply because I personally bumped up against you.
	That's the only reason.
	And did you ask to be on the show?
	Did we reach out to you or did you reach out to us?
	I did, and I have to believe that there was a reason why.
	So that you can.
	What's the reason?
	Why don't you tell me?
	I just think that I was drawn to you because I could see your aliveness, you could say.
	I couldn't.
	Isn't that one of your commandments?
	So, so you interest me, is the point.
	You interest me, and I was interested in giving you the opportunity to shift things just a little bit.
	Just shift things to a little bit more of a fair discussion where it's not like this energy of you two as being the professionals at everything, but just like a genuine, this is my perspective, this is your perspective.
	It's not necessarily the perspective of the show, but it's just when you create this hostile environment with all these women, you create polls, who's the good girl, who's the one everybody likes, and you play on all of their traumas, essentially.
	You put women into that kind of hysterical emotional place, and then you guys, you are not affected by that.
	So then they're trauma-responding, they're turning against each other, and you two are just, and this is why everybody loves this and not this.
	And it's just the young minds can't see through that.
	They can't see that there's an agenda behind that.
	I would have actually have been happy to have engaged in the beginning of this conversation by doing exactly what you're now saying to do, to have a free-flow conversation based on worldview paradigms so that you could understand where I was coming from, why I think what I think, and I can understand where you're coming from and why you think what you think.
	And then you could have come up with that idea that you have here of a solution where it's not pitting people against each other, this and that.
	But try to think of the adversarial nature of just asking some of these women basic questions about what it is they believe and how defensive they become.
	There's six of them, one of me, seven of them, eight of them, one of Brian.
	And so it seems that we're to always have an unfair advantage while everybody around us is to always have some type of advantage over us.
	It's a very bizarre dynamic, which is requested versus when the tables are turned and it's like, okay, well, I'll meet you where you want.
	We can talk about the worldviews.
	I'd like for you to actually see why I think what I think because I can justify a lot of it and it would make a lot of sense.
	You go, nah.
	But the thing is, again, I'll just repeat, it's because it's not that I'm not interested in your worldview.
	I believed I already had enough of the information.
	I didn't believe that you were going to share with me anything about your worldview that I didn't already have.
	So then how can your criticism of Brian, who said you say you're going to be the authority on it?
	You're going to say, this is why people like this and don't like that, right?
	You're giving him a knowledge claim.
	You're saying, you don't know that though, Brian.
	You don't know that these other people don't know these other things.
	The very first assumption you make, I already know your worldview.
	Don't worry about it.
	Yeah, I guess, like I said, maybe my toxic trait is psychologically profiling people and making judgments before I even let them speak because I just noticed over time that people are literally full of shit.
	So I guess at least including you?
	Honestly, I just spew it like I see it.
	And sometimes it sounds crazy to other people because they don't have my fucking mental illness going on, but I do.
	Wait, what mental illness?
	The mental illness of my obsessiveness about very particular things.
	So it makes me weird.
	It makes me a freak.
	Savantism, yes.
	So the thing is, is so psychological profiling is interesting in the fact that it's highly ineffective generally because it's very difficult to apply over broad birth, even if you're looking for specific things.
	That's why you can psychologically profile what a serial killer would be, but very difficult to apply to find one.
	Well, I was raised by one, so.
	I mean, maybe, but your psychological profiling is not the thing which identifies you.
	The thing is, we can call it autism in me, or we can call it just the extreme trauma of having to survive in conditions that no child or human was ever designed to survive.
	Intel Wilde donated $100.
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	Yeah.
	Thank you, Intel Wilde.
	Good to see you in the chat, man.
	Do you want to respond to that?
	He's calling you the green monster.
	Cute.
	Like Oscar.
	Cute.
	Oscar, the green monster, the trash.
	There's another one coming in.
	Concealed man donated $100.
	Unbelievable.
	A woman that promotes and encourages sex work says she's accountable and yet condemns Brian's behavior.
	Her children are not safe with this maniac.
	She's horrible, manipulative human.
	Ugh.
	I mean, you said that we don't really ever change our mind on anything, but I mean, we've tried to Chris donated $100.
	Question for Desiree.
	In what fashion would you want your children to be unalived?
	Shot, drowned, run over by a car, thrown off a cliff.
	Surely you have a preference for disagreeing with you.
	This is in response to you saying that if your children conducted themselves in the way of the world.
	Right, like if they became sociopaths or psychopaths and were creating harm to society.
	Yo, it's thing for the gifted 20 subs.
	Sorry, I had the alerts pause there accidentally for a bit.
	Go ahead.
	Sorry.
	You said even your own children, if they were like me and Andrew.
	If my children presented as psychopaths or sociopaths and got to the level of creating more societal harm than could be contained, then yes, I would not want them here anymore.
	I mean, and do you think me and Andrew are on that level of societal harm?
	I'm still discovering that.
	Why don't you tell us what you actually think?
	Well, remember, I had said if we were just discussing it up until this point, but there's still a lot beyond this point.
	So I do have a corner of my mind open to the possibility that you are not as bad as I'm thinking, and perhaps I'm just really misunderstanding and could be wrong.
	I don't think you're going to walk away from this podcast having learned anything.
	I think you're going to just dig your heels in.
	You're going to continue your, you know, your train of thoughts on these matters.
	You're going to continue threatening frivolous and vexatious legal action against me and Kit.
	Actually, on that topic really quick, would you, in an effort to get to be vindictive and get revenge on somebody.
	Chris donated $69.
	She didn't answer the question, does she prefer they get shot, drowned, thrown off a cliff, light them on fire, run them over a car, or etc.
	Let Clip this and show this to CPS.
	TTS is 69.
	Your answer?
	Lethal injection would be the most humane.
	Anon donated $100.
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	Really quick, I guess to go back to my question, thing for the TTS there, Anon.
	So if you felt either perceived a real, if somebody you feel like you had a grievance against somebody, do you think it would warrant bringing a vexatious lawsuit?
	So I'll just define vexatious.
	Denoting an action or the bringer of an action that is brought without sufficient grounds for winning purely to cause annoyance to the defendant?
	No, I don't do that shit.
	I only pursue things that I'm very serious about.
	Right.
	So what, so are your legal threats empty or do you actually intend to file a lawsuit against me?
	Well, I have to see if this episode actually makes restitution for the custody situation that I'm in because I need to show the court that I was not supporting or in agreement with the way that I was portrayed on the last episode.
	So I have to do something one way or the other.
	It's literally just a formality.
	So this show might very well clear the air by however it goes.
	Okay.
	So that might be fine.
	If that's fine, I have no reason to pursue anything.
	I just want to be done with it.
	I think I understand.
	You're saying you're saying if you can show the court that you're suing because you weren't portrayed correctly, that the court will then be more lenient towards you or in some way see your case better.
	But literally, if that is true, then what you're saying is, Brian, I will sue you out of the convenience of self-interest so that I look better in my personal life for this thing that's going on in my person.
	How is that?
	How does that happen?
	it's because literally the this is the way it works if i nashu nabu donated 100 if all of your children came to the conclusion that god wanted them to live like andrew or brian wouldn't that mean god sides with them over you would you be worthy of unaliving at that point i'm gonna pause the tts temporarily so she can respond go ahead thank you what am i responding yeah so the so the thing is is you just laid out that Essentially,
	you would sue Brian for the purposes of being able to prove to the court that you were portrayed incorrectly.
	So this would be completely self-interest in your personal life.
	So you might not think Brian actually deserves it, but they're not.
	It would actually be in the interest of my children, not myself.
	Yeah, but what about the harm that that would do to Brian who I cannot be worried about a grown-ass man and the consequences he might have out in the business world?
	I'm only responsible for taking care of myself and my children.
	If I need to make a move that might fall unfavorably on Brian in order to protect me and my children, yes, I'm going to do it.
	And I feel justified doing it.
	Even if it wasn't justified.
	Again, I am only responsible for my children, number one.
	And then obviously myself has to be here to be able to take care of the children.
	You'll fuck a person over specifically for the betterment of your children?
	Now, if the show didn't go the way that it did, I would never be in this position in the first place.
	But I was portrayed in a certain light.
	How were you portrayed?
	Because the show is live.
	Nothing is cut.
	Nothing is edited.
	Yeah, but it's all there to see.
	And that's the thing is the idea of portrayal in a certain light.
	What if you actually were portrayed in a way that you acted, so you were portrayed fairly?
	But even knowing you were portrayed fairly, you thought that this would have negative ramifications on your kids if you didn't sue, would you still sue?
	Say it again.
	Even if you thought you were portrayed fairly, if the court thought that that looked bad, right?
	Would you still sue because that would do well by your kids?
	Even if you thought you were portrayed fairly?
	So it looks like that.
	No, If I really believed that that was an accurate portrayal of who I am as a person, even if the court was like, what the fuck is this?
	I would not hold Brian accountable for that.
	The only reason I would stand up against it to hold anybody accountable or at least to make a stand that I am at least attempting to hold him accountable, even if it falls flat, okay?
	Even if it does.
	But at least I'm showing I don't agree with how they portrayed me.
	That's all I'm saying.
	How did we portray you?
	Now, do you actually want to understand?
	Because I feel I have explained things so many times and it's just like you don't want to get it.
	Let me, okay, let me ask you a couple questions.
	Of all the things that you said tonight and on your previous appearance on the dating talk show, did I instruct you to say anything?
	Did I force you to say anything?
	What's there to think about?
	Was, first of all, I am autistic, legitimately.
	So...
	So am I.
	Okay, so you know how it goes.
	I saw you get very upset when we thought that there was a nip slip.
	I could see in you.
	I'm just trying to have a point of connection.
	I can understand why there would be this kind of really reaction in you because our autistic minds are on a mission.
	We got to get this done, right?
	My autistic self, my autistic self, and I'm not blaming you for this, but my autistic self was on a mission.
	I thought this was a particular situation I was getting into.
	I come here and it's not at all that situation I thought.
	So I'm already trying to like switch gears.
	Okay, this is not going to be what I thought.
	And then when that happened, just because I do have these certain sensitivities, okay, so I'm already off kilter.
	Then that happened.
	And from there, I was literally just mama bear, like trauma responding.
	Like basically, what the fuck is going on?
	These guys are, this is not what we thought it was, girls.
	Like, this is a fight.
	They brought us to a front.
	I'm simply saying I'm simply saying that was what it was invoked in me.
	And so that wasn't my best self.
	That wasn't who I would want to portray myself.
	But I felt because.
	So it's our fault you acted that way.
	I believe you took a misstep in not properly vetting people who would have like PTSD symptoms, autism, different neurodivergences that would make a difference with how they're communicating.
	So just be clear, it's our fault you acted that way.
	It is your fault for getting this deeply into personal topics with women and not vetting them psychologically.
	You realize that we have, in a given week, we have two shows.
	We have typically, I mean, the panels tend to be between eight to ten people.
	You want me to do a psychological, which I'm not sure.
	Just it could just literally be a couple questions.
	It could be like, do you have a history of PTSD, for example?
	But then do you have any mental disorders that are under care?
	You wouldn't even be qualified to judge the measurement, even if they answered yes.
	But I'm just saying, at least then you would have attempted to there's you do realize, hold on, hold on.
	Like Andrew said, I wouldn't be qualified to even make that assessment to begin with.
	And then secondly, if I barred all people who had any even perceived mental illness, then I would just simply, you'd probably attack me for not being inclusive and allowing people of different, who have different, who are not neurotypical.
	It would not be inclusive to bring, to only bring on neurotypical people.
	I just thought it was very interesting how at the beginning of this show, you made a big deal about like, does anybody have the nigger card, the black card?
	Can you say that?
	Bro, are you fucking?
	First off, we never said that.
	Nick does a pre-show thing and he says, don't say these words.
	And that's a white woman, by the way, who just dropped the hard R.
	So, okay, hold on.
	Let me redirect the conversation here.
	First off, disavow her saying that.
	To bring it back to you wanting me to do a psychological assessment of people.
	By the way, Nick does not say that.
	He says, don't use these words.
	And he says the end word.
	I'm talking about what Nick says.
	That's part of the pre-show.
	But I wasn't talking about that.
	I was talking about that.
	The only time that comes out.
	No, because we did have a black girl here.
	Remember?
	And then.
	Yeah, but Nick says, don't say the N-word.
	Don't say this.
	Don't say that.
	We don't want people saying that sort of stuff on stream.
	Anyways, hold on.
	I got to move it off of that.
	So we have 20 people, 20 new people every single week moving through the studio.
	And then we get flakes every single show.
	So we get up anywhere from, we'll get for a given day, five to ten flakes.
	There's no practical way that I could do a psychological assessment.
	I could literally give you like a five of five questions that you could ask that would vet them better, at least, at least something, because you guys are getting into digging into their psyche, their ideology.
	Most of the women are shaming them, demeaning them.
	Most of the women who come on are not.
	It's so it's just, I don't even understand your position.
	I don't even understand your argument.
	So you're saying we should have done that with you to have precluded you from coming on.
	Is that what you're saying?
	Yes, or at least you would have known to properly say for.
	Why is it my duty?
	How about it should be your duty to say, I'm not prepared to have a conversation on a podcast.
	That's your duty, not mine.
	Well, the thing is, Brian, we didn't just have a conversation.
	You literally did an act, a hostile work environment, cussing act, that literally, if you had an HR, you would not get away with that.
	I am.
	Do you know?
	I think it's King Louis.
	Hold on, hold on.
	There's a French monarch, and he said something along the lines of l'et c'est moi, the state is me.
	I am the state.
	I'm the, there is no HR department, lady.
	I know.
	I'm just saying that that was not appropriate behavior.
	Your entire conduct before the show, which we went into on the show, was inappropriate behavior.
	You want to talk about professionalism, inappropriate behavior.
	I'm happy to have a conversation about it.
	On June 16th, did you send to me, without my consent or permission, did you send a nude photograph of yourself to me to the whatever Instagram page?
	Yes or no?
	Did I?
	I don't know.
	I'm a hoe.
	I don't know who I send nudes to on what day.
	What's the term for it?
	An unexistent, did you send a nude photograph to the whatever Instagram page that, like, what's it called?
	There's a word for it.
	DM.
	No, not a DM.
	It's like unrequested photography.
	Unsolicited.
	Unsolicited.
	You said, yes, thank you.
	On June 16th, did you send an unsolicited nude photograph to the whatever Instagram page?
	I don't know.
	Did I?
	You did.
	Okay, so why are you asking me if you already know I did?
	Well, because he's wondering if you had taken the time to have him answer a series of psyche vow questions so that you would know if his emotional state could take you sending him a nude picture or not.
	Did you take the time to have him fill out a psych form before you sent him a picture of the picture?
	I asked him many personal questions about himself.
	Yeah, but did you take the time to ask him if he would have PTSD from having an unsolicited imagine the trauma that could be caused for somebody else?
	Well, why don't you read all the messages leading up to that?
	I probably did ask.
	Yeah, perhaps some horrible things had happened in the past to Brian.
	Can you tell me that?
	Which it caused PTSD what I was saying up until the nude?
	I mean, you send literally a novel to me.
	Yeah.
	But no, I never, you didn't ask for permission to send it.
	There was no flirting at all.
	Brian, would you say that this has caused you some PTSD?
	I think it probably has.
	That's a joke answer.
	The true answer.
	Well, having random women send you unsolicited nudes doesn't seem doesn't seem like no, I'm not.
	It doesn't.
	I wouldn't say, I mean, I don't want to, from people who I have on the show.
	I will say this.
	You did get me there because I'm big on consent.
	So you know what I'm gonna say?
	I kept it.
	I kept it.
	We're even then, I guess.
	No, I can't.
	Now we're even.
	Wait, hold on.
	You're big on consent.
	You're big on consent, Melissa.
	But you walked over here.
	No, I know, I'm kidding.
	I got Andrew back.
	You're fucking assisting me.
	I got you back for any problems I had with you, and I got you back.
	Did he?
	No, he didn't.
	So I'm saying.
	Did I consent?
	No, you didn't.
	Okay, so you do admit.
	That's what I'm saying.
	We're now even.
	I feel that you just made restitution with me.
	Sexually battering people is like hurting their feelings.
	So you do admit to have like that.
	You do admit to having had sent a unsolicited nude to the whatever and surroundings.
	You said that I did.
	I can't, I don't have it up to see what around the context, but if you're saying that.
	I don't know if you can't show it.
	You can't.
	Can we put it on your OnlyFans?
	I don't know why you find this to be a.
	I mean, the fans would want to see.
	Can I have it back to put on my OnlyFans?
	But see you, you want to like play this game of like?
	Well Brian, here's how you you don't always conduct yourself perfectly.
	Who are you to talk?
	I said true, you got me.
	I already said I submitted, you're right.
	You guys, I have been rude, I have been conceited, I have been not listening to you.
	You wanted it Brian, you deserved it, right?
	I apparently sent you an unsolicited nude, which is like a sexual assault.
	I mean it is well, and then I put my ass in your face again a sexual assault.
	So I'm guilty, you're right, and I, like you guys and I agreed to come because it's as hard as it is for me because again, I don't get challenged that much and we can call that my female privilege, my pretty female privilege, or whatever the fuck you want to call it.
	But I don't often feel stimulated by the males that are out here right now and you guys at least stimulated some part of me that wanted to engage again.
	Boring well you, it got better.
	Maybe it's because I, just because it's all about you, your favorite topic.
	Well, it was all about your favorite topic.
	No, because you did actually get me on a point that I couldn't deny.
	You're right, that was not appropriate and I love it.
	I actually enjoy when that does happen and I concede you're right.
	Okay see, I like the checks and balances that men and women bring each other.
	I think it's fun.
	I only ever wanted to like, okay, let's talk about like heated stuff and passionate stuff, but like as friends, like just as friends.
	You're lady, who you're threatening litigation?
	Well that's, you think, like friends.
	You remember, like a couple weeks ago, me and Brian were eating a cheeseburger, you guys, and I was like, could you pass me the ketchup?
	And he was like, no bro, grab the ketchup yourself.
	And so I've been.
	I've been fucking launching lawsuits ever since that were frivolous and vexatious, but that's what?
	Because that's what friends do.
	That's, listen Kevin, listen Karen.
	Okay, I don't have the same access to him.
	This is all I had to engage and to say.
	Basically, I feel very violated by this.
	I just want, I need, some sort of peace about what the fuck was that?
	Just some sort of aftercare.
	You could say aftercare when there's a rupture in psychologists call it a rupture, a rupture in our relationship dynamic, even as colleagues, as whatever you do to get his attention no, I did it in order to make a statement for my own kind of moving forward, moving past it.
	How would I needed to make a stance of like, I did not like, and he needed to know about it yes, and he needed to engage with it.
	He didn't have to, he didn't really, but you kept on going till he did, to the point where he even sent a nude to him.
	Right?
	No, I definitely sound, Doesn't it sound like nudes?
	The nude was so long ago.
	Yeah, but isn't that attention-seeking behavior?
	I send nudes when I'm feeling like.
	You need some attention.
	No, it's not an attention thing.
	It's a way for me to try to show a man, I'm not out to get you.
	I'm trying to engage with you in an end.
	You want me and hold on, I'm just interrupting you.
	You want me and Andrew to not exist, and you're also threatening me with this lawsuit.
	I will take back the wishing you.
	You say that now, but just like the previous show, when we challenged you, oh, you're just going to go out and talk a bunch of shit.
	You posted like hundreds of stories about the whatever podcast.
	You've been sending novels to the whatever Instagram page.
	You're threatening frivolous and vexatious legal action.
	I mean, it's just, it's just insanity.
	And you say, I mean, frankly, my ideal would be that this is the end of our association.
	And you go on with your life, and I go on with mine, and you're in the rearview mirror, and likewise for you.
	But I know you, you're going to be hemming and hawing about this for months to come.
	You're going to be probably trying to, who knows what you're going to do.
	But.
	Is that what you want?
	What do you mean?
	I want you to just move on with your life and stop threatening legal action.
	Okay.
	And just.
	And remember.
	Well, and also, legal action.
	The wise woman, according to you.
	The wise woman once said, and this is your opening line of your book: fuck this shit.
	And she lived happily ever after.
	Hang on, this is opening your book.
	A wise woman once said, fuck this shit.
	Yeah, I wrote it.
	And she lived happily ever after.
	So how about you fuck off and go live happily ever after?
	All right, I will.
	In any case, it would be nice to attempt to end things on a good note, but I don't think in good faith you would actually be able to agree that this is the end of our association, although it's certainly not a good idea.
	I can agree I would sign a contract.
	Write it up.
	I'll sign it.
	Why don't you just look into this camera right here?
	This is a legally binding statement.
	Although you did sign the talent.
	I signed the waiver.
	I read it.
	I felt comfortable with it.
	Right.
	And I brought my no button and I had my little fits.
	And I feel that.
	Looking into the camera, you agree to hold Brian, Atlas, and whatever harmless of any claims now or in the future that may arise from your appearance on the podcast.
	You disclaim any sort of, or you, I'm not a lawyer here.
	I understand what you're saying.
	You relinquish any and all claims.
	Non-disclosure agreement, basically.
	Yes, I agree.
	Non-disclosure.
	But in any case, so my hope for you would be, I mean, for the sake of yourself and I mean, trying to continue to pursue the whatever podcast, I don't think will be productive for you.
	I already said I wouldn't.
	I gave you my word.
	Well, you say that now, but.
	Well, didn't you write me up something to sign?
	I'll sign it.
	Write it up.
	I'll sign it.
	Just look in the camera and say, I'm not going to sue whatever.
	I am not going to sue whatever.
	I don't know if that's.
	And I'm not going to bother Brian Atlas anymore.
	And I'm not going to bother Brian Atlas anymore.
	He doesn't want to be free.
	And I totally am responsible for sexual battery of Andrew Wilson, and that's why I'm totally responsible for sexually assaulting the youth of America, apparently.
	I guess.
	Well, that's a different crime.
	Well, they're at least 18, right?
	They're at least 18.
	All right.
	Final question.
	Final question.
	Do you think me and Andrew are misogynists?
	What's a misogynist?
	Tell me your definition.
	Values men's priorities primarily over women's.
	Most charitable definition I can give.
	Do you?
	No.
	Well, then I don't believe you're a misogynist.
	Yeah.
	Do you, Brian?
	Do I what?
	Value men's priorities over women's.
	I don't even think that's the definition.
	I know.
	I'm giving the most charitable one I can.
	Well, you can give it to me, Raw.
	I mean, is there a better definition?
	Usually it's tailored towards hatred towards women.
	So I wouldn't say that I value.
	Yeah, I wouldn't say that I value the priorities of men over women.
	I just think that men generally have priorities which I support more than women's.
	That's a confusing way to state it.
	But you're saying, no, you're not a misogynist.
	Yeah.
	Okay, well then you're you.
	Only you know if you're a misogynist.
	Yeah.
	I'm a misandrist.
	What's that?
	So I probably hate men as much as you do.
	Honestly, I really hate most people, to be honest.
	It's nothing personal to men.
	I hate a bunch of women too, so don't take it personally.
	Do you want to walk back your statements about me and Andrew because of who we are, we should not be alive?
	She already did.
	Yeah, I apologize for that.
	I said I take it back.
	I hope you.
	This is going to be so much, so fucking expensive.
	This is a kind of psychological trauma that I've had to endure tonight.
	The PTSD is a good idea.
	I gave you a book, it'll help you.
	It'll help you.
	I don't know.
	I don't know how to do it.
	I wrote the book just to help people survive the trauma of being in my presence.
	This is bringing back childhood memories of when women often, without my consent, would just, yeah.
	Andrew.
	It was terrible.
	Oh, my God.
	I could help you work through that, later.
	We're going to do the TTS is 69.
	I would drag turpentine and piss on a brush fire.
	What's turpentine?
	Is that like a title?
	TTS is 69.
	This is going to be the roast segment if you guys want.
	Before that, though, guys, go to twitch.tv slash whatever.
	Guys, go to twitch.tv slash whatever.
	Drops a follow, drops a prime sub.
	Guys, it's been three minutes since the prime.
	I think it's probably been bugged again since then, though.
	Can you guys just test out and see if a prime sub will come through?
	Twitch.tv slash whatever, watching on YouTube.
	Open up another tab, drop us a follow and a prime sub.
	And then, if you enjoyed the discourse on this show, go to debate university.
	Go to debate university.
	What is that?
	What is that?com.com.
	We're going to take a course that you should buy and you should take and learn because.
	Anyway, yeah, it's So you are a coach You're like a life coach for verbal combat?
	I don't do life coaching at all of any kind ever.
	I don't even give out advice, by the way.
	People want to pay me thousands of dollars to give them advice, and I won't do it.
	That's smart.
	That's smart.
	It's a big liability.
	Well, no, it's not because of liability.
	It's because of this fucking pesky-ask actual ethical code that I have.
	Oh, okay.
	That's why.
	But anyway, yeah, go to Verbal Com.
	Yeah.
	Get Verbal Combat.
	It's great.
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	You can tell just from the trailers, it's extremely high quality.
	And we hope you guys pick up the course.
	And so it is debateuniversity.com.
	The link for that is in the description.
	We also do have a members-only group, monthly Q ⁇ A sessions with Andrew.
	I'll also be hosting those.
	And should we, just for, we don't have time to play the trailer, but maybe later.
	But we need to let the TTSs come through, so I'm going to let them come through.
	Sorry that we had to pause them today.
	Roth Underscore PSA donated $69.
	I am truly shocked.
	My jaw dropped.
	And now I have a twitch in my left tie.
	Yo, PSA, thank you for the TTS.
	Appreciate it.
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	Thank you.
	He's shocked.
	Oh, thank you.
	Thank you.
	69.
	Good number.
	Bye.
	Jeff underscore Bader donated $100.
	Women are the weaker vessel boys.
	Just a reminder.
	Okay, Jeff Bader.
	True.
	That is true.
	Not sure what that.
	Okay.
	To each their own, I guess.
	Thank you.
	There's a weird delay on these.
	I don't know why that is.
	Hold on.
	Jeff Bader.
	Oh, it's okay.
	I see why it's at that threshold.
	Thank you, Jeff Bader, though.
	Really appreciate it.
	By the way, guys, like the video if you enjoyed this.
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	Intel Wild donated $69.
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	Flown out.
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	I don't know what that means.
	Okay.
	Is this a young person?
	What is this?
	Honestly, I think.
	Don't do it, Fresh.
	Yeah, I don't.
	I don't think you wouldn't do it.
	Right, okay.
	The unsolicited nudes, every once in a while, you catch the person in the right mood, and it's just like a fun time.
	You do admit to sending it, though, right?
	I didn't send them to the married guy for God's sake.
	No, you tried to do that in person.
	I have underwear on.
	That's better.
	I have underwear on.
	There was nothing nude coming up.
	I have a nine censor to smack upside my head.
	And I need to go to confession after all of this.
	Praying for your safety, guys, and Maddie.
	Desiree, you need help and prayers and an exorcism.
	Okay.
	Are you buying?
	Man's underscore job underscore but underscore like underscore friends donated $69.
	Does protecting women mean allowing them to do slash say whatever they want even if it's detrimental to them?
	Or should it also include trying to show them they could be wrong in what they're doing slash saying?
	Correct.
	Just like what when Brian, I was really proud of him because he finally did bring something to me that I knew he was right on.
	He had me.
	He put me in my place.
	So hence why I submitted.
	Okay.
	69 donated $69.69.
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	Hi, guys.
	How is it going except this 304?
	I hope your life gets ruined anyway.
	Oh, especially to Andrew.
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	64 donated $69.
	Which lethal injection do you want to use to unalive your children?
	Pancuronium bromide, potassium chloride, sodium thiopental.
	First one takes two to three hours.
	Would you do inject them yourself?
	Clip this.
	No, I would send them through the legal system and let it happen how it happens.
	You know, I would at least take the lame dog out to the farm myself.
	You know?
	I would at least take the dog out to the farm.
	I say, you know, hey, who's a good boy?
	Give it the last snack.
	You know, I'd at least do that.
	I just am not quite crazy enough to actually be willing to erroneous!
	Erroneous!
	To carry out the execution myself.
	Would simply not enable them to get away with criminals.
	You gotta have a man do that.
	I would not, I don't know.
	There's women probably that do the lethal injections in the courts.
	But anyway, point being, I'm simply saying I wouldn't ever hide evidence or anything like that that would keep my children from being held accountable for the crimes that they may not commit.
	I would want them to get prosecuted to the full extent of the law if they were guilty for those things.
	Yes, the crimes of hurting your feelings.
	No, no, the crimes against humanity that would warrant being sentenced to death.
	We cleared it up, I think.
	I think that we did.
	I don't know if I'm pretty sure that you've committed crimes against humanity right now.
	Trump 2024 donated $69.
	How do I donate to her exes custody battle?
	Oh, bro.
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	It's not going well.
	You don't want to be his accomplice or fund anything he's doing, trust me.
	Military mathematical man donated $69.
	I think her five commandments would stimulate Bayavo to cuck for her.
	Also, imagine if this woman and that 33-year old from Tuesday were on the same show.
	All right, the TSRs are oh, whoop.
	Uh, military mathematical man, thank you.
	Optimus Prime Girl donated $69.
	Thank you, Optimus.
	This episode is eye-opening indeed.
	I made a robot for my master's thesis.
	Guess I'm a transformer now.
	Brian, awesome social experiment.
	Thank you.
	Andrew, you're the best.
	Hey, thanks, man.
	I wonder what kind of robot you made.
	Robotics engineer over here.
	Thank you, Optimus Prime.
	Eula sees the pagan donated $69.
	Desiree, I do believe, as you self-described, that you having mental issues.
	But I think part of this intentional and calculated trolling and clout hoeing.
	Oh, boy.
	Am I supposed to say something?
	I honestly, I'm a little old.
	I don't know what these words mean.
	Isaiah Fluke donated 100 donated $100.
	Desiree.
	Desiree has not learned anything from this and will turn as soon as she leaves.
	Sorry, we couldn't read the rest of that fluke.
	What do you think?
	It's easy, I mean, to just say in person, oh, yeah, I'll just move on.
	Then 24 hours later, just back at it.
	Back at it, even the commitments, even with words leaving one's mouth.
	Jivanik donated $69.
	Yeah, thank you.
	This legitimately just made me sad.
	I hope this woman finds Christ.
	She needs him desperately.
	She left him if you purpose.
	We do have some Bibles if you want one.
	Do you want me to have one?
	We could give you one.
	Yeah, that's on me.
	I'll replace it.
	Juxtapose 03 donated $69.
	Shout out to the Andrew and the Crucible.
	Desiree, I thought that you looked familiar.
	Open up the dictionary.
	You will find your picture right next to the words cognitive dissonance.
	Godspeed, Andrew.
	Hey, thanks, Mjuxtapose.
	Big fan of that guy, by the way.
	He's pretty regular in the Discord.
	Super good guy.
	Thank you, Juxtapose.
	Now, there's some that might have not come through.
	Maddie, did this one come through?
	GMD donated $70.
	Brixon, can you DoorDash Maddie some in and out?
	I think she has earned it today.
	In-N-Out doesn't do DoorDash.
	But it doesn't.
	Yeah, you can't have it delivered.
	I don't really like In-N-Out.
	B-Wall, thank you for the gifted.
	Optimus Prime Girl donated $69.
	This episode was very eye-opening indeed.
	Wait.
	I made a robot for my master's thesis.
	Yes, I'm a transformer now.
	That's where I saw that one.
	Great.
	Andrew, you're the best.
	Well, hey, Optimus Prime Girl, thank you for the echo, I guess.
	Thank you.
	Appreciate it.
	Desiree, the.
	Here, I'll re-trigger her when she's back.
	Okay, thank you.
	And tell, I'll re-trigger it, okay?
	Hopefully, it doesn't fall off.
	I am Optimus Prime.
	Here, I'll do this.
	JR, do you know the story of Kurt Cobain, please?
	Okay, so I can tell you, I can tell you really quick the synopsis of the Kurt Cobain history.
	It's okay.
	Mr. Boule donated $69.
	Thank you, Mr. Prime.
	Inquisition Patriarchy Communique.
	Brian, the Grand Inquisitor informs he hasn't received the autographed blue and white cup with certificate of authenticity.
	I am performing an inventory audit.
	Get to it.
	Indeed.
	Thank you, Mr. Boulay.
	David Tuzek, she donated $69.
	Yo, good to see you, David.
	Yeah, probably.
	Another shot?
	No, thanks.
	Let's.
	My back is telling me, I'm sorry.
	Okay, that's fine.
	You should get off at some time.
	It was good.
	It was good.
	Give me that.
	Can you pass me the no button she brought?
	Can you grab it?
	Maddie, can you push that over?
	Oh, my God.
	All right, Desiree.
	I don't know if you guys really caught this.
	She brought this no button.
	You can use it.
	I actually really, I really have been wanting a Bible, and I'm so cheap because I used to have a million of them.
	So thank you.
	I actually do appreciate the Bible.
	No.
	N-O.
	No.
	No.
	Me.
	This is my trick for all the single moms.
	You got to get one of these.
	My kids started listening to me a lot better when I got this.
	No, a thousand times.
	No.
	CloverTech donated $69.
	Brian and do.
	Not sure how you gents were able to deal with Desiree this long.
	You both handled it well.
	They did.
	They did.
	I could not have done it.
	You know, I'd like to reference a verse in the Bible, Proverbs 21, 19.
	It is better to live in the desert than with a quarrelsome and nagging wife.
	I think this applies.
	She doesn't want the nudes, and he doesn't want me to nag him.
	I don't know what to do with you, Brian.
	Concealed man.
	So basically, you reversed her core value.
	She was abiding by at the end after they told her to F off.
	That's all the psychopath needed to heal her trauma.
	She's a just tuck your legs into the just put on the side.
	Sorry, I'm just trying to get my back comfortable.
	She was abiding by at the end after they told her to F off.
	That's all the psychopath needed to or trauma.
	She's a troller troll.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Thank you.
	What's a troll?
	Like, what do people?
	I understand the online ones, but how.
	So I'm a Desiree, the blank 3FO.
	You put your ass in Andrew's face in person during a live and you sent a nude to Brian.
	What a crazy degenerate.
	Okay.
	It's pretty fucking degenerate.
	I guess.
	Guilty.
	That is where women, I will say that we do take liberties because, for the most part, any and all flirtatious banter is usually received pretty well with a man.
	So I personally use it more of I'm either genuinely like in a I'm in a playful mood and I'm just sharing that with the man that's in my aura right then, assuming he's not married or anything like that.
	I use it for that or if I'm trying to shift the mood into a more playful space.
	So if you want to call that manipulation tactics and evil, okay, but I don't do it with malice aforethought or to do anything other than try to reach a man to have better communication with him for the purpose of reconciling, like coming back together.
	Like there was something not right in our relating and I just want to clear the air.
	I really like to clear the air as I go with people.
	I don't understand though.
	Like maybe you can reconcile because you're in the playful mood, right?
	Maybe you can answer this for me.
	Sure.
	If there was ever to be reciprocation of me to a woman who wasn't my wife, what the fuck would ever make you think it would be with you?
	I wouldn't.
	That's why I was being.
	That's why I was just being, I was, honestly, I felt in that moment, my intention was not to like turn you on or think about it.
	Yeah, I know, but like, don't you think I could get a way hotter check than you?
	Yes, I'm sure you can.
	Totally.
	You're a famous.
	What's your coaching program?
	The verbal assault.
	That doesn't exist.
	The verbal assault program.
	Verbal assault.
	You're famous.
	You have how many?
	You have thousands of women after you.
	I'm nobody.
	Like, who gives a shit?
	I'm literally nobody.
	Like, I'm not a big deal.
	Okay.
	Eula's last one.
	No shot for Ferrandru Shilru Fayette.
	Okay, it's so weird to me that people.
	Can I just make a statement?
	The alcohol in and of itself is a mind-altering substance.
	Why does everybody only call it like drugging something if you add something else to it?
	Because Irish are immune.
	Locality donated $69.
	Oh my God.
	So I literally would have to drug affirm or deny her giving drugs to the girl next to her on her last appearance.
	Oh, no.
	I did not.
	I, okay.
	Funny story about me.
	There have been times in my life where I have considered, should I try some sort of drug?
	Maybe this pain is why people do the drugs.
	And then I am so freaking straight edge for my whole life.
	I'm literally the bitch that's calling people like, where does somebody get drugs?
	Like, I don't even know how this works because now marijuana is legal.
	That's really the only substance that I use besides, you know, alcohol here and there.
	You can buy that at a dispensary now.
	Where does one go and get cocaine, for example?
	Where does one get LSD?
	I literally don't know.
	What?
	I don't know.
	I literally don't know.
	I have, it's just a funny conversation.
	When I first left my ex-husband five years ago, I didn't know how to find porn.
	I was looking for it on YouTube and I literally do it yourself.
	Yes.
	But I do it on my terms.
	I do it on my terms and I do it because I do it because to be honest with you, I was in a relationship where I couldn't even feel like a woman.
	I couldn't even make eye contact with another man without getting abused.
	So it was basically an adolescent.
	I have no idea of what abuse is.
	I'm not confident that I share.
	It was basically me going through my adolescence.
	Nature Nabu donated $69.
	And now you're self-admitting you suffer from a variety of mental health issues.
	What makes your ex or even the state less qualified than you in caring for your children?
	Well, my ex-husband's a pedophile, so that's why.
	That's okay.
	I'm just well, they asked.
	I mean, you're letting these questions come through, and you know my story, so I don't know why you would let them come through.
	If you know the what am I supposed to say?
	Do you want me to lie?
	Am I supposed to lie?
	I don't like it.
	If I wasn't there, I would not be playful with you trying to put your blank on my husband.
	Your ass on my husband.
	You knew he was married.
	Where's your apology to me for traumatizing me?
	I'm sorry, Rachel.
	That was disrespectful.
	I should have made the extra steps and done it to Brian.
	He is single.
	So that wouldn't have been assaulting another woman at least.
	Honestly, this is so crazy to me.
	If it was any, if it was you or me who did that to a female panelist, gone to jail right now.
	Where's my home?
	The cops, the cops would have come literally on the screen.
	Where's my book?
	Registry.
	Guys, where's my book?
	I think it fell or something.
	Where?
	Oh.
	Oh.
	I'm sorry.
	Andrew was reading it.
	I already gave him his own copy.
	Where's my hard copy?
	Oh, there it is.
	That's your hard copy.
	Yeah, he just wanted to see the hard copy.
	Was it hard enough for you?
	No.
	Good job.
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	Am I allowed to say this?
	Am I not allowed to say this?
	Yeah, go ahead.
	Is this a child platform?
	I got it.
	I got it.
	You're not comfortable with sex, I got it.
	Question to Maddie: What does the 1975-2 signify?
	It's a much better question than her OnlyFans.
	What the heck?
	It's my father's birth year.
	Word.
	Word.
	All right.
	I'm lowering the roast session.
	It's going to be $30 TTS if you guys want to get it in.
	So, feel free.
	There was a TTS asking a question a while ago, and I don't think you got to it.
	It was by Nava.
	Did it trigger, or we just didn't answer it?
	It triggered, or you just didn't answer it?
	Hmm.
	I'm not sure what it was.
	How long ago?
	Like, a hour at least.
	By who?
	Nabu?
	Yeah, I mean, Nabu?
	If all of your children came to the con that one?
	Is somebody, is he messaging you?
	Oh, just read it, and then I can answer it in that way.
	If all of your children came to the conclusion that God wanted them to live.
	Oh.
	No, we read that.
	We did that one.
	Yeah.
	Unless that's a different one.
	Nabu?
	Is that the person, Nick?
	Yeah.
	I'm pretty sure we read it.
	Yeah, we read that.
	We read it.
	Yeah, I'm pretty sure.
	What are you drinking, Andrew?
	Is that like a soda?
	A special soda?
	$30 TTS if you want for 5-10 minutes.
	Special pink soda.
	Like pink lemonade?
	What is it?
	You can get your worst.
	It's a pink lemonade Shmirnoff.
	All right.
	Oh, like one of those colours.
	Yeah, because that was all that was in the fucking fridge, because Brian doesn't keep beer.
	There's, I thought there was beer.
	Brian only keeps girly drinks.
	No beer.
	I have tickets.
	Andrew was so mad that there wasn't real beer in there that he smashed the first one of those.
	That's true.
	I did smash it.
	Andrew, have you ever been a part of Anchor Management?
	Fuck this shit.
	Threw it on the ground, but then he's like, damn, I need beer.
	I need some beer.
	I need some alcohol.
	What's your beer?
	What's your favorite beer?
	He likes Mike's Hard Lemonade.
	That's not a beer.
	What's your favorite beer?
	Just piss watermiller.
	He likes it like not Miller Light, just straight Miller?
	Yeah, Miller.
	Okay, when you said piss, it reminded me of the Dumb and Dumber scene where he drinks the pee and he looks.
	Remember that scene in Dumb and Dumber?
	Yeah.
	Best.
	It's best.
	I'm dating myself.
	I'm dating myself.
	But I can't.
	I don't even know these freaking words that the kids use these days.
	I got to get up with the times.
	Probably.
	I need to call my consultant, my kids.
	They tell me what the words mean because I'm not really sure these days.
	I'm too old.
	My OnlyFans has a lot of very mature content.
	Old lady.
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	Let's watch the trailer to Debate University, I think.
	I think we should watch it.
	Right?
	Anything we should watch it?
	Would you give it to me?
	Would you count me access to your program?
	Do I actually have to pay it?
	No.
	Actually, you have to pay twice.
	How much is it?
	Double.
	How much is it?
	$500.
	$4.99.
	And what's included?
	The course.
	Six hours of instruction.
	Oh, my God.
	I got to raise my prices.
	And you got like a lot of money.
	Yeah, I know, but this is actually good.
	I read your book in like 45 minutes.
	Oh, my God.
	You read it quickly.
	Is the TTS?
	So I teach a 12-week course called Dream Builder.
	Well, debateuniversity.com, Nick, if you're able to pull it up.
	Oh, can I not have a leg?
	What was I having a problem with my leg?
	Yeah, show the site, then we'll do the trailer.
	Dred donated $30.
	Psychopaths may exhibit a lack of empathy or remorse and can be impulsive, manipulative, and deceitful.
	So she's against her own code.
	Satch is trying to preach her BS to you guys.
	Valdev donated $30.
	No Morgan.
	Cute outfit, Maddie.
	Andrew, get you some hanger.
	One Mandrain Blossom Vodka.
	That shit is so good.
	BTW, whatever, and the Crucible have been added to the ammo budget.
	Well, thank you.
	That means it's just a little bit of a drink.
	Jesus on the throne donated $29.99.
	Desiree, get back on Daddy's lap.
	The second coming of Christ is upon you.
	Oh, who's Daddy?
	You don't know what it is.
	Who's Daddy?
	Who's the daddy?
	Who's Daddy Black am I hopping on?
	Every man has an ammo budget.
	And if you get added to the ammo budget, then that means...
	Listen up, boys.
	You're always the man code.
	The man code.
	You have an ammo budget.
	That's how that works.
	There is an ammo budget.
	Oh, we're like the podcast.
	We're part of the ammo.
	We're part of the ammo budget.
	That means no matter what, you always have to have the ammo.
	You see?
	Is the ammo like weaponry?
	Actual physical weapons?
	He'll always be a supporter.
	Always be a surprise part of the ammo budget.
	I see.
	Yeah.
	The ammo is like guns, like we're literal ammo.
	Or are we talking about an ammunition budget?
	Yeah.
	I like that.
	Man code.
	Man shit.
	I only really know woman code and I'm just filling in the gaps with what is man code.
	Let's play the trailer.
	Let's go to debateuniversity.com really quick.
	There it is.
	And then there's a trailer that you guys can watch, which we're going to play right now.
	Are you sick of not being able to defend your position?
	Wait, what?
	That's what the hook is.
	That's what the hook is.
	Your job is not to show mercy.
	No mercy.
	Your job is not to back off and allow them to maintain their false ideas.
	That's not your job.
	It is nebulous.
	I understand it's nebulous.
	But I'm also not the one who's making the affirmative claim you are.
	So let's start with some dirty tricks.
	Some dirty tricks.
	Some kind of hitting below the belt.
	God damn it!
	You're still whining.
	Stop whining.
	That is a product.
	I'll smack your f- Honestly, does your dad say thank you for prostituting yourself so I have air conditioning?
	Well, now, as we, hang on, let me finish.
	My turn.
	Sure, sure, sure.
	Go ahead.
	So as we dive into this, though.
	By the way, you say that you can't make a deterministic statement, which is a deterministic statement.
	Again, how dumb are you, Bosch?
	Debate is a weapon, especially in the 21st century when living in the information age.
	This debate is over.
	Goodbye.
	Goodbye.
	Jackass.
	I'm not interested in your stupid prattle.
	Answer my question.
	That makes no sense.
	That's the stupidest thing I've heard out of you tonight.
	Why would you do anything if you didn't care?
	Beautiful.
	Beautiful.
	Do you think it would be interesting if we offered viewers if they could?
	Well, they would need access.
	Maybe this is among the people who have the program.
	If any of them are editors and they like chop up, like you know how movies will have multiple trailers.
	No, I thought we were going to announce the what was it?
	The edit fight, right?
	What do they call that?
	It's like what I want to do is take the top 10 edits for the trailer.
	Yeah, for the trailer.
	The winner, I'll give them 250 bucks, a whatever hoodie, and a crucible hoodie.
	So make a trailer for it.
	Put the best of, and if you win, that's what we'll give you.
	And I was thinking maybe like a year of the membership for the yeah, well, they get the course for free, of course.
	Yeah.
	Well, but they would like we also want to give them like actual segments from the program to make the edit, though.
	No, they make no, not for the, it's not necessary for the trailer.
	I mean, yeah.
	Yeah, you wouldn't you want some of that?
	Some of it.
	So can it only be open to people who yeah, you want the best clips for debate that we can possibly get there's that, but then there's also like um we would want to splice in segments from the actual program.
	Yeah, I don't know about that.
	So there's different kinds of trailers.
	I mean, it's yeah.
	Let me get Isaiah Fluke donated $50.
	Thank you, Isaiah.
	Good work for Brian and Andrew.
	I'm happy to see debates university getting released.
	It might help clean up my comments.
	Isaiah, thank you for the TTS man.
	Do appreciate it.
	I just had to add that specific one, but thank you for the patronage.
	Appreciate it, guys.
	Thank you all.
	Swiftin donated $30.
	Hearing Andrew has been swatted makes me want to support you guys even more.
	And Brian getting blackmailed.
	This D-Gen has demonstrated every reason to know have custody.
	She'll indoctrinate them.
	Brian's Lent Roller donated $30.
	Andrew knew he would get cooked if he brought up epistemology again.
	Desiree has a PhD in the study of the epistles.
	She's the subject matter expert.
	Dude, that was too much.
	That was a good one.
	That was a good one.
	Hey, at least they're getting like more intellectual.
	Strategy on this podcast was to come on and make yourself look better to the courts by saying you'd kill your kids by lethal injection if you didn't like their life.
	No, that I would hold them accountable.
	It was so that the court would know I would hold my own children to the same accountability that I would hold even myself or anybody else.
	By the way, Swift, it's a bold strategy.
	Desiree, your dress looks like an ugly green window valance.
	Hell on Levans.
	L book.
	Since you don't understand Gen Z, Skibbity Toyle at Drizzler.
	Giant on Livvy Dunn.
	W baby Gronk.
	I'm Fortnite only in Ohio.
	I was going to say, it does look like you're wearing a colour.
	By the way, Swift Tim, I do appreciate your support on that.
	Yeah, you should, I mean, you guys can see some of what goes on on the shows that me and Andrew have to deal with.
	I asked what you guys wanted me to wear, and you weren't getting back to me.
	Okay.
	You see what happens on the show that me and Andrew have to deal with?
	I can tell you that's the tip of the iceberg when it comes to what Andrew deals with, what I deal with.
	You think what goes on the show stresses us out?
	It's everything that you never hear about that happens behind the scenes.
	That this is that they get the conversations while sometimes can be annoying or unsolicited ass.
	Hold on.
	It's not even that, honestly.
	It's so proud.
	Andrew can agree.
	Yeah, he wanted it.
	He wanted it.
	I think you didn't, obviously.
	I think Andrew would agree on it.
	Yeah, I would agree on it.
	It's what you see on the show is the tip of the iceberg when it comes to like the nonsense that we have to deal with.
	So, yeah.
	The show is good.
	I'm cool with the show.
	The show's great.
	The show's good.
	It's everything behind the scenes.
	The lunatics who come after the show.
	Oh, man.
	You should see like some of this.
	Yeah, it's bad.
	Anyways, let me let these come through and then we will try to wrap up here.
	Jay Brooks donated $29.99.
	Just joined, and clearly I have missed some juiciness.
	Can't wait to listen to this one tomorrow.
	Thank you, Jay.
	Andrew, thank you for destroying that clown destiny.
	Been a tough year for that guy, Lol.
	Sure has.
	It's been a rough.
	2024 donated $29.99.
	S, I only caught the last 45 minutes of the convo.
	I didn't realize her ex was a creep, so that's my bad.
	Still, watch the exes go fund me.
	In shallow.
	I mean, he could use the money.
	I'm like, tempted.
	She's an undercover CIA, or this is a skit.
	She's excellent.
	W. Verbal skills, even when shut down.
	You're doing a disservice, Brian.
	Then promotes sexual acts, odd ideals.
	Victim.
	This real Cersei B donated $30.
	She would be a likable person if she wasn't a 304.
	I'd watch her if she was dressed like a Amish woman doing house chores.
	Brian, when are we getting hawked?
	You a girl?
	Was this before or after she wanted me and Andrew to cease to exist and the legal I think a lot of these are latecomers?
	Yeah.
	I had to work down my read.
	I invited on the hawk to a girl, but no response.
	Maybe we'll see.
	Lol Paladins donated $30.
	Health for the planet, because I know a certain percentage of you degenerates watching will subscribe to her of thanks to this.
	I don't want to exist on this planet anymore.
	You're good, Lol Paladins.
	You'll make it, bro.
	Yeah.
	It's not that bad.
	It's not that bad.
	Glenn Lawrence Presents Pro donated $40.
	Reacting to this debate tonight is going to be a doozy.
	I think that she's the problem in society, and I think that she should be deleted.
	I just got that message from her god.
	Jay Ekin donated $30.
	You now know what an aneurysm feels like.
	Madison needs ice cream.
	Nick, whatever are you wearing on your right hip?
	Lol.
	It's not much, but for the beer fund.
	Love you all.
	Jay saw it.
	Jay saw it.
	Virginia Redneck donated $30.
	Happy birthday, Rachel.
	It's Rachel's birthday.
	Love whatever.
	And the crucible.
	Happy birthday, Rachel.
	God bless you all.
	Because I'm working.
	Guys, get this book.
	The reason that you need to buy that book, even though it's Rachel's birthday, is because I take all of the money to buy...
	Concealed Man donated $30.
	It's impressive how you exploit others while hiding behind a facade of confidence.
	Promoting sex work and manipulating people shows your true colors.
	Try being a better example for your child instead.
	Thomas donated $30.
	Let me get this straight.
	In this podcast, she admitted to multiple counts of SA.
	Dropped the N-bomb.
	Said you two should be unalived.
	Wonder how this would go for a man.
	Valdev donated $30.
	Hey, no CIA slander S-H-I-T head.
	I don't get it.
	No CIA slander shithead.
	I don't get it.
	Yeah, you just repeated this.
	Yeah.
	Cowboy React donated $30.
	Thank you, Valdez.
	I'm watching this on the watch party with Rachel on the Crucible, and Lady E dropped the N-bomb, then said a black girl was there earlier, all so she apologized to Rachel, then flirted with Andrew again.
	Did I flirt with you?
	That's like I didn't mean to.
	I did not mean to.
	My dad always told me that I should not be so nice to guys, or they would think I was flirting, I guess.
	That's true.
	Okay.
	We have Canisius?
	Canisius?
	Andrew, if she's right, then each person's God, and you're also God, does that mean that God would only Jordan underscore donated $29.99?
	Thank you guys for all that you do.
	Thank you, Jordan.
	Andrew, do you recommend any history of the Bible books from one of your previous conversations on the show?
	Also, Desiree, your psycho.
	Christ is King.
	Yeah, there's a limited edition.
	Schnico O4 donated $30.
	Andrew and O'Brien would love to buy you a burger and a beer if you're ever up north in SLO.
	Thanks for all that you do.
	Hey, thanks for the super ma'am.
	Thank you.
	That's a San Luis Obispo.
	So, weren't you trying to go to well, Choo Mash is like another hour or San Luis Obispo is like an hour past, I think the Chumash.
	Anyways, whatever.
	Ah, thank you, man.
	But the answer to that previous super chat, there's a limited edition you can still find.
	It's kind of rare now, but it's called Biblica.
	Ginormous book.
	It's the Bible Atlas.
	It's called Biblica.
	That's one of my favorites.
	Sons of Liberty donated $30.
	Please debate the Carmela kook from Tuesday.
	Carmela slept her way to the top, wants to defund the police.
	Give free health care to illegals.
	Carmela is a socialist and a threat to our republic.
	We're working on it.
	We're trying to make it happen.
	I think she was a little put off.
	I didn't really feel like it was too contentious with her, honestly.
	I mean, I thought it was a good conversation, but I think we'll make it.
	Jai Vanik donated $30.
	Desiree, as a lawyer, how did you think this was a good idea if you actually are in a custody dispute?
	Do you worry about your kids seeing this and their friends teasing them?
	Praying for you.
	You want me to respond to that?
	If you want, It was, am I concerned about my friend, my kids seeing this?
	And then, no, my kids aren't really the type that give a shit about people's opinions.
	So I'm not worried about that.
	If they had some sort of issue with it, we would just talk through it like we do anything else.
	They know I'm a public figure and that I get criticized a lot for my viewpoints.
	So it's kind of just our normal family culture.
	Glenn Lawrence presents pro donated $29.
	Brian and I grew up in Santa Barbara.
	Kumash Casino is about 45 minutes north of you.
	San Luis Obispo is about an hour and 15 minutes north of the casino.
	For Rachel's birthday, I'm grabbing the rocks.
	Get the rocks.
	Above.
	Thank you.
	Get the rocks.
	I didn't know you're from Santa Barbara.
	That's cool, man.
	Sorry, hold on.
	Guys, get your last minutes in.
	Maddie, can you finish reading this?
	Andrew, if she is right and each person is God and you are also God, does that mean God would only be a four out of ten?
	Also, can you throw out a this is what men do?
	Thanks to the crucible for doing the Lord's work.
	Where's the camera I can look into?
	All right.
	Because that's what men do.
	Wait, do it one more time.
	One more time.
	I did it.
	I did it.
	We're moving on.
	We're moving on.
	I did it.
	He gave 100%.
	I can't do it again.
	Okay.
	All right, if you want, guys, get your last-minute messages in.
	Last call, final call.
	I'll spam this really quick.
	Then we're going to get out of here, guys.
	I hope you enjoyed the stream.
	Boom, boom, boom.
	Is Rachel doing this stream?
	She is.
	She is live.
	I'm sure that she's tired.
	This probably went on a lot longer than she thought.
	But if you do do a raid over there, make sure the people over here and whatever, she always does a good job over there.
	Maybe you can send a little support her way.
	Yes, let me do a redirect over there.
	And then we'll do a raid.
	Watch party.
	Lady Epistle.
	Okay.
	So that should be set.
	We're going to do a Twitch raid if you want.
	Get your last-minute messages in.
	Last call on the TTSs.
	I really appreciate your guys's support and patronage.
	I know this was kind of a sort of unannounced, kind of random show on a Thursday, but appreciate y'all for tuning in.
	You guys seem, I mean, the viewership was really good, as good as our dating talk.
	So credit to Desiree on that, I suppose.
	Good on the Crucible, too.
	Sweet.
	That's awesome.
	All right.
	Who are we going to raid on Twitch?
	Let's see.
	Who are we going to rate on Twitch?
	I want melons donated $69.
	Just saw the stream with Andrew Wife on the crucible.
	Can you say hi to her?
	Now that's a woman.
	Was she streaming?
	By the way, Desiree Such BS.
	I'm only seeing that book going in a toilet.
	W for Andrew and Bray.
	Pull up the Crucible stream.
	That's cool.
	Not good home training donated $30.
	You have a nick post saying age wasn't the problem when you lost your virginity at 13.
	When you start training your kids, are you going to use an actual man or are you going to use one of your dildos?
	What the hell, bro?
	That's crazy.
	Okay.
	I don't think I would be allowed to talk about that on YouTube, right?
	It's a little inappropriate.
	Wait, can you pull up the stream, Nick?
	Yeah.
	Do you guys still need me here?
	Yes, I'm not sure.
	This is Andrew's ex donated $29.99.
	I am Andrew's X. Believe it or not, I am the first to buy Desiree's book.
	No cap, after reading this book, I was like she.
	I will start a book club and call MMHAM.
	She.
	All right, let's see.
	All right, Rachel, you're coming up.
	What do you have to say?
	How did you think this was a good idea?
	Rachel, positive $69, you donated $30.
	You're going to have to give it a break.
	This same setting with Daisy.
	And we can finally put an end to Andrew's ex-wife.
	The same setting with Daisy.
	And put a...
	Wait, Daisy...
	Fresh Daisy?
	Yeah.
	We finally put an end.
	Oh, right.
	What do you think if we got her back on?
	That would be fun.
	I don't think I'd want to talk about the Walter stuff, though.
	I mean, it's already been.
	I think it's fine now.
	We already went through that, said that, done that.
	Can you pull it up?
	I think it should be a bit more powerful.
	Pictures of you with Suj on your face.
	We magically paused it at the right spot.
	Who knows?
	I don't think we'd want to.
	You see what God just did.
	Wait, wait, wait.
	They have to pause.
	I need to reload it.
	I'm going to take a swooj on your face.
	How there?
	Normal family question.
	It's going to be some fucking inception, dude.
	They have to pause.
	Wait.
	There we go.
	I see what he's trying to do.
	He's trying to get you streamed in there.
	So now you should be able to talk, but you can't hear him at all unless you're watching on your phone.
	So open up their stream.
	We just need her to say the phone, and we're going to do some weird backwards streamception where our stream won't be able to hear.
	Can you guys tell her just to see now?
	I can hear myself on their stream.
	Okay.
	So say hi to their chat and tell them.
	Hi, whatever, chat.
	This is weird and doesn't.
	Happy birthday, Rachel.
	I know she can't hear us, but happy birthday, Rachel.
	Happy birthday, Rachel.
	Hi, Andrew.
	Hi, Brian.
	Say hi to them.
	This is some weird inception shit going on right now, Brian.
	Well, I thought.
	Thank you so much for the happy birthday wishes.
	I appreciate you.
	She can't hear it.
	It's like going on right now, Brian.
	She's like, they're still going.
	Okay, we're going to give it another 10 seconds.
	Rachel, do you want to say anything to Desiree?
	Rachel, do you want to say anything to Desiree?
	Say something.
	I don't know if she's here.
	We can get back to the proper show.
	I don't know what to do.
	Okay, all right.
	To Desiree.
	Rachel, do you want to say anything to Desiree?
	Say something.
	Okay, say something to Desiree real quick.
	Oh, yeah.
	To Desiree, I'd like to say don't ever switch my husband.
	And you should be glad I wasn't there because I want to put a stop to that quickly.
	Nice.
	From 2022.
	I can already tell that I don't like you.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	All right.
	I think that's it for the show.
	Thank you guys.
	Oh, raid, Twitch raid.
	Okay, Nick, this is going to be an Ampy, A-H-M-P-Y on Twitch.
	He is currently playing World of Warcraft Classic Era.
	He's playing World.
	He's doing PvP Warsong Gulch.
	This guy, this guy, A-A-A-A.
	Hold on.
	A-H-M-P-Y.
	M-Q-Y.
	D. D-Y.
	Oh, no.
	Hold on.
	A-H-M-P-Y.
	Yeah, so we're going to raid him.
	Actually, hold on.
	Wait.
	Bring it to Twitch really quick first.
	I need to do the outro.
	Oh, man.
	Okay.
	Guys, go to twitch.tv slash whatever.
	Drops afollow.
	Drop us a prime sub if you have one.
	Guys, it's been six minutes since our last Prime.
	I think it's bugged.
	Help.
	Help.
	Drop us a follow and a prime sub over there on Twitch.
	Also, debateuniversity.com, debateuniversity.com.
	Yeah, it's if you want to learn how to become a master debater, you need to check it out.
	Oh, just hang tight, Desiree.
	We're like right there.
	About to wrap.
	About to wrap.
	Just hang tight.
	Thank you, thank you.
	And then bring it over.
	Or actually, hold on.
	So GG, well played.
	Last call, hit the like button, please, on your way out.
	Thank you for tuning in tonight.
	You could have been anywhere in the world, but you're here with me.
	I appreciate that.
	Thank you to everyone who super chats, donates, and supports the show.
	We will be live again tomorrow with a debate, probably around, I think we're aiming for 4 p.m. to go live.
	That's going to be a good one.
	Be sure to tune in for that.
	Dating talk will be live again, of course, on Sunday, 5 p.m. Pacific.
	07's in the chat.
	Let me do the raid to Ampi.
	Nick, if you can get that going.
	Pull that.
	He is playing in Warsaw Gulch, PvP.
	He's a warrior.
	This guy is one of the best raid leaders, main tanks in the game.
	You want to just wait, Desiree?
	Oh.
	All right.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Well, we're going to raid him.
	So I hope you guys tell him he should come on the podcast.
	Tell him we can talk about World of Warcraft classic.
	But we're going to send the raid over right now.
	Thank you guys for watching.
	Those of you who watched on Twitch.
	Raid sense.
	And he is trying.
	They're trying to return the flag to the horde base in Warsaw Gulch.
	And he got out of it.
	I don't know if he's going to know this.
	I don't know if he even has a microphone on at this point.
	I think he's just fucking tuned in to owning people in PvP.
	In any case, that's it.
	So I don't think he's.
	Oh, wait.
	Bring him back.
	What the heck?
	Here the right row Late nine pp stream brought the clap is made Mage.
	Okay.
	All right.
	I think that's good.
	All right.
	I think we're all cut up.
	Just want to make sure I'll count up on chats.
	Yep, we're all good.
	All right, guys.
	Thank you again so much for tuning in.
	It was an interesting one.
	Probably one of the more interesting streams we've had.
	So thank you guys again for tuning in.
	Appreciate all the patronage tonight.
	Your support's been very much appreciated.
	07's in the chat.
	Good night, guys.

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