Whatever Podcast - She Is Dating 15 Men?! 100+ Body Counts?! Brian LOSES It (GETS TILTED)?! E-GIRLS!

July 18, 2024 - Whatever Podcast

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She Is Dating 15 Men?! 100+ Body Counts?! Brian LOSES It (GETS TILTED)?! E-GIRLS! | Dating Talk #179

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	With that said, without further ado, we're going to have the guests introduce themselves.
	So please tell us your name, age, location, and occupation.
	Go ahead.
	Hi, I'm Amber.
	I'm 22 and I'm from Studio City.
	And I do social media and like event stuff.
	And yeah.
	Okay.
	22.
	Yes.
	So you do social media?
	Yeah.
	Like what kind?
	Just like whatever.
	Did you do any adult content?
	I have, yeah.
	Have past tense?
	No.
	Well, yeah, past tense.
	Like OnlyFans, you currently have an OnlyFans?
	Yeah.
	So adult content, past tense?
	Well, I've never really done it or posted it.
	Mm-hmm.
	Okay.
	But you do have the OF.
	Okay, gotcha.
	What about you?
	Hi, my name is Madeline.
	I go by Mads.
	I'm 22.
	I also am from Studio City.
	And I'm an artist and a tattoo apprentice.
	All right.
	You do any content?
	I don't.
	Creation?
	Okay, cool.
	No.
	How long have you been tattooing for?
	I actually just moved here two weeks ago to California.
	So I just started.
	So where are you from originally then?
	I'm from Denver.
	Denver, Colorado.
	Denver, Colorado, yeah.
	All right.
	And have you your the tattoos you do have?
	You did them yourself?
	I freehanded most of my tattoos, yeah.
	That's impressive.
	Very cool.
	Very cool.
	Can you show us the fist ones?
	It says Angel Baby.
	Oh, it says Angel Baby.
	Ange.
	It's like I know.
	The L is kind of.
	Oh, it's on the thumb.
	I see.
	Yeah.
	Ange.
	Ange baby.
	Right, it looks like it.
	Yes, my nickname back home.
	My friends call me Angel Baby.
	So you.
	What about you?
	Hi, my name is Alex.
	I'm 26, and I'm from here, Santa Barbara, and I'm an artist and a creative consultant.
	Where are you from before you?
	Before that, I was, well, all over California, but I'm originally from Russia.
	All right, cool.
	Welcome, welcome.
	What about you?
	Welcome back.
	My name is L, and I'm 22 years old.
	I do content creation.
	I do OnlyFans specifically.
	O-H-E-L-L-E, baby, just saying, if you want it.
	And then I also do real estate, and I have my cosmetology license, but I can't currently use it in the state of California.
	And where are you from?
	I'm originally from Ohio, but I live in LA now in Studio City with these two girls.
	All right, very cool.
	Welcome.
	What about you?
	Hi, my name is Grace.
	I'm from Sacramento originally, and I'm a student at UCSB.
	Age?
	19, sorry.
	Oh, good.
	And what do you study at UCSB?
	I study mathematics.
	Math?
	Oh, okay.
	Interesting.
	I was actually, interestingly enough, I was doing some math research yesterday on all these unsolved, unsolved math problems.
	And it's actually really rather fascinating.
	So hopefully by the end of the show, you can maybe help us solve one of these.
	Are you familiar with the Yang Mills existence and mask app?
	Do you think we could maybe take a crack?
	I've never even heard of that, but I've got that.
	The Birch and Swinnerton Dyer conjecture.
	Could we Navier Stokes existence and smoothness?
	Could we maybe take a different language?
	Are you familiar with Mandelbrot set?
	The Mandelbrot set, Nick.
	I'm going to send you.
	I'm going to send you the Mandelbrot set.
	Sounds great.
	And maybe we'll take a crack at it during the show.
	Sure.
	That's cool, though.
	That's cool.
	Yeah, thank you.
	And so after university, do you have a sense of what you want to do?
	Not really.
	I just think it's really powerful for a woman to have either an engineering or a math degree or something like that because not a lot of women have that kind of stuff.
	And I feel like I want that as a very independent woman.
	I want to be able to do that for myself.
	Okay.
	So no sense, though, yet, anyways.
	Because you're going into your sophomore junior year.
	Sophomore.
	Sophomore year.
	Okay, cool.
	What about you?
	My name is Paula.
	I am 53 years old.
	My occupation is by trade.
	I'm a chef, but mainly I'm a mom of four currently.
	All adult kids.
	And what else?
	Where are you from?
	Oh, I'm originally from Southern California, but I moved to Dallas, Texas about 20 years ago.
	Okay.
	Cool.
	What are you?
	I'm Mel.
	I'm 19 from Sydney, Australia, and I'm studying law at the moment, and I work at a firm.
	All right.
	And so you're in uni right now, is that correct?
	Okay.
	So you said you're studying law?
	Yes.
	All right.
	And what brought you to California?
	Just on vacation or whatever podcast?
	Yeah, just on holiday.
	Okay, cool.
	What about you?
	My name is Margarita.
	I'm 34 years old.
	I live in LA.
	And I have a band.
	I have a rock band.
	So I'm a musician.
	I do a lot of art.
	I wrote a novel.
	Wow.
	All right.
	Welcome, welcome.
	Thank you.
	Can we hear something?
	You're the lead singer.
	You're the vocalist, right?
	You're the vocalist, right?
	I am.
	What genre of rock or what subgenre?
	I would say it's cinematic rock.
	I love a lot of movie soundtracks, so it's kind of soundtrack-y mixed with rock.
	So that's what's so fun.
	All right.
	Well, welcome back.
	You were on one of our earlier episodes with Michael Knowles.
	Welcome back.
	I think it's been over a year.
	It's been maybe a year and a half.
	I'll do the introductions for Andrew Wilson.
	He's going to be tuning in, guys, a little bit later on, probably around 8 p.m. Pacific time.
	So stay tuned for that.
	We're going to go around the table once more.
	What is everybody's current relationship status?
	So are you single, talking stage, situation ship, friends with benefits, relationship, married, polycule, sex, cult, harem, whatever it may be?
	If you're single, how long have you been single?
	And what's the longest relationship you've ever been in?
	Go ahead.
	Oh, gosh.
	I don't know how to answer that.
	I mean, I'm looking to the mic.
	Oh.
	My relationship status, I'd say, I guess, is single, I guess.
	You guess?
	Single?
	Yeah.
	Okay, so there's a guy in the picture then.
	Yeah, I see people.
	Oh, multiple.
	Okay.
	How many are you?
	Orientation?
	Huh?
	Orientation.
	Straight, gay, by.
	I don't really have one.
	I don't really.
	Pansexual?
	So you'll date women?
	You know, I would.
	Okay, so I'm just asking.
	I don't find anything to do.
	I'd like to.
	Are you currently dating a couple men, a couple women?
	What's a couple men, yeah.
	Any women?
	No.
	No, okay.
	But you have dated women in the past?
	Okay.
	How many men are you currently dating?
	I don't know.
	You don't know?
	No, not really.
	I think it just varies.
	Yeah.
	Well, right now.
	It really depends.
	Okay, how many men have you seen in the past 14 days?
	I don't know.
	Don't look at me, look at the ring foot.
	I'm looking at you.
	You don't want to know.
	I don't know.
	It really depends because I like to have like multiple partners that like.
	It's just different relationships per person, I guess.
	Yeah.
	Like, so are you in the poly thing?
	I'm not really into anything.
	I'm just me.
	Okay.
	So you currently.
	Do you have anybody you call your boyfriend?
	No.
	God, no.
	So these are like sneaky links?
	Sorta, yeah.
	Okay.
	What's the longest period of time that you've been seeing any of these men that you're currently involved with?
	My longest relationship was...
	Not the question.
	No.
	Oh, currently involved with.
	Yeah, like one of these guys who you're currently sleeping with.
	Probably be.
	Have you seen them for one month, two months, three months, four months, five months?
	Oh.
	I'm just curious, why do you tend to look at her?
	Because she knows things about me.
	I look very forgetful.
	I am really forgetful.
	Okay, sure.
	I live with her, so she knows.
	That's fine.
	That's fine.
	Did you see a guy yesterday?
	Yes.
	Did you see a guy the day before?
	Yes.
	Did you see a guy the day before that?
	Yes.
	The day before that?
	Yes, yes.
	I'll keep going the day before that.
	Yeah, I don't know.
	It's just a yes.
	And these are all different guys.
	So the past three days you saw three different guys?
	No, actually, I had one back twice, and then the other was a new one.
	And then.
	Okay.
	And how do you typically meet them?
	Dating apps?
	Typically, dating apps, yeah.
	Okay.
	Typically, dating apps.
	Yeah.
	So if you had an estimate, how many guys are currently in the rotation, the roster, the bench, however you want to frame it, how many would you say you're currently dating?
	Involved with.
	10, 15, I don't know.
	Something like around that.
	I don't really define anything, so I don't really know what to count.
	Anywhere from like basically any guy you've had sex with recently, I guess.
	Oh.
	10 to 15?
	10 to 15.
	Yeah, sure.
	Are they aware of each other?
	They know?
	Yeah.
	And I assume they're probably maybe sleeping with other women too, then?
	Most of them know, surprisingly.
	Just you?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	That's just because I tend to get along with guys that are very, I don't know, shy.
	Like shy boys.
	Okay.
	Like they're just sad.
	And I was like, oh, come here, let me fix you temporarily.
	And so do all of them know that you're seeing other men?
	Most, yeah.
	Well, like, unless it's like a one-night stand, it's not like I'm going to run them down on my whole life.
	Okay.
	And you throw some of those in there too, the one-night stance.
	In between the guys who you kind of have an ongoing thing with.
	Yeah, yeah.
	You'll throw those into.
	Okay.
	My dating life's just kind of like a music.
	Is this the biggest that your roster has ever been?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, it actually is.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Ever had a boyfriend relationship?
	Yeah, I have.
	Longest relationship?
	Longest relationship, three and a half years.
	Three and a half years.
	Okay.
	When did that end?
	Like that was, I think, five years ago, almost.
	Wait, so you're 22.
	That ended five years ago.
	You would have been 17, 18, so that was like a high school.
	Yeah, so I did.
	15 to 18, 16 to 18.
	Uh-huh.
	And then my second longest was right after back-to-back two years, and then I went and got into a year and a half relationship.
	And then ever since then, I've been single.
	Okay.
	And you've been single for how long?
	Two years now, almost.
	I think.
	A year and a half, maybe?
	Yeah, excluding like a little gap of when she was like with someone briefly for like three months.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Okay, got it.
	So now the roster is the biggest it's ever been.
	You said currently seeing 10 to 15 men.
	Yeah.
	Did you ever, will you ever see like two in the same day?
	Yes.
	Three in the same day?
	Maybe.
	I don't know.
	I'm not really.
	Huh?
	Have you?
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	More than that?
	Four in the same day?
	No, no, no.
	Three in the same day.
	Okay.
	Yeah, I would say.
	Okay, three in the same day.
	That's cool.
	Yeah, but it doesn't necessarily mean I do anything with them.
	Like a lot of times I like just cuddle and hang.
	Well, you did say earlier that these are 10 to 15, these are men you're sleeping with.
	Maybe you don't sleep with them every time you see them, but.
	Well, half of them are munches, so I don't know what to count.
	What does that mean?
	It means that they just go down on her and they don't actually have.
	And so you'll have munches that will.
	So you'll have a guy who will go down on you.
	And 24 hours earlier you were having sex with another man.
	Does that happen?
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	Yes.
	We love a woman that can own up to her truth, though.
	Well, I certainly Suppose I can give you credit for the forthcomingness.
	Yeah.
	So frankly, I kind of blame the men in this situation.
	I like Simps.
	That's just what I attract.
	They certainly sound like Simps.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	I know, I love it.
	I don't think most men would tolerate knowing a girl is.
	You can see more than one guy.
	It would be most good men.
	Would be good men.
	Yeah, I think the defining word is a good man.
	I'm really honest, and I communicate every little detail that goes through my brain.
	So for the most part, things tend to work out for me just because of my brutal honesty.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	No, I guess I certainly appreciate the honesty.
	Yeah.
	These men, I want to say, are maybe this isn't really so much a knock at you as to them.
	They must be kind of desperate, though.
	Or they just want to have a good time and don't want any strings attached and they know that that's not going to happen.
	Yeah.
	I mean, a couple of these guys I've had for years.
	Like I've had.
	Yeah.
	No, 100%.
	Okay.
	Fair enough.
	Fair enough.
	Well, thank you for sharing.
	Appreciate it.
	I just really am.
	I'm a good friend with a fat ass.
	It looks good from behind.
	No, buddy.
	All right, cool, cool.
	What about you?
	My current dating life?
	Yeah, relationship status.
	I just like to keep things personal between me and someone else, but I'm a one-vibe kind of girl.
	So one person?
	Yeah, of course.
	Have you ever had a boyfriend?
	A situation like this, no?
	Have you ever had a roster?
	No, I have not.
	No.
	Okay, so just one at a time.
	So are you currently seeing somebody?
	Okay.
	Is it boyfriend?
	How do you categorize it?
	What's the title?
	He's my boyfriend.
	Why the hesitation?
	It seems like.
	No, nothing.
	I just love to keep my dating life super private.
	Just out of respect for someone else.
	Okay, so you are in a relationship.
	How long have you guys been dating?
	Not that long.
	Two months?
	Three months?
	Mm-hmm.
	Well, those were two separate numbers.
	Right in between there.
	You want me to put, okay.
	2.5.
	Yeah, 2.5.
	All right.
	How did you guys meet?
	We met at my birthday party.
	Okay.
	Happy day birthday.
	Did you guys know each other before?
	Were you friends before?
	Yeah, we had met each other before, like briefly through people.
	We never talked.
	Longest relationship?
	I was with a guy for two years that ended like a year ago, but it was the only other person I've ever been with.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	I am currently in a relationship with my companion.
	I forgot the questions.
	How long?
	How long?
	Oh, yeah.
	Well, it's going to be a year in a couple of days.
	Okay.
	Thank you.
	One year.
	Longest relationship?
	My longest relationship was five years.
	Five years.
	And this is, if I recall correctly, it's an age gap relationship.
	This one is, yes, he's 53.
	53, 26.
	All right, cool.
	He was 52 when we met.
	There you go.
	25 when you guys met.
	Yes, I was.
	Cool.
	What about you?
	So my current relationship is not my longest relationship I've ever been in, but I do currently have a boyfriend.
	We've been together for seven months.
	We had a talking stage for about four months, five months nearly, before we started dating.
	And my longest relationship that I've ever been in was almost five years, and it was very on and off because it was during high school.
	So understandably so.
	How many times was it off again, on again?
	Ugh, I mean, how many times did he cheat on me or how many times did I break up with him?
	I'd say like we broke up and got back together about like five, six times.
	Okay.
	Maybe more.
	I've been there.
	Yeah.
	What about you?
	I'm currently single.
	All right.
	Currently single, longest relationship?
	Probably like five and a half months.
	Five months?
	Yeah, five months, yeah.
	Say that.
	How long have you been single for?
	Only like two months.
	Two months?
	Yeah, really not that long.
	How long?
	And was that the five-month one that ended up two months ago?
	Yeah, yeah, it was.
	Was it also somebody who went to school here?
	Yeah, he went to the city college.
	He went to CC.
	Why did y'all split?
	I wanted more for the future than what he could give me for right then.
	I mean, there was nothing like he didn't ever cheat on me.
	He didn't do anything bad.
	We still mutuals.
	It was just like wasn't working.
	I needed more reassurance for the future.
	Just something he couldn't give me.
	So it was just like.
	Did you guys have a title?
	Were you boyfriend girls?
	Yeah, girlfriend.
	Yeah, we were boyfriend-girlfriend.
	So when you say you wanted more reassurance for the future, what would that have looked like?
	We would have been dating for five months and then done long distance for three years, which would have been fine.
	But all he could promise me was like, maybe we can get an apartment afterwards.
	And it was just like, I don't know.
	From like where I was, from my stance, I wanted a little bit more than what he could give me with that.
	Wait, hold on.
	You were, he was here locally, but if I understand correctly, he's going to move away.
	Sorry.
	Sorry, yeah.
	He grew up a couple hours that way.
	And then he came down here for college.
	Can you tilt your mic down just a bit?
	Yeah.
	Perfect.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	And so.
	But you said you were going to do long distance for three years?
	Yeah, because then he didn't want to go to the community college down here anymore because it was like just like money-wise or whatever.
	And then he was going to move back home.
	And then from there, he wanted to go another like four years somewhere else to finish the rest of his two years from the community college.
	And so he said what?
	What do you mean?
	Well, you guys were having a conversation about the distance, right?
	Yeah.
	And then so he said, what was his stance there that you felt was not reassuring enough?
	It was just I like to plan my future a lot.
	I don't want to like have three years in advance?
	Well, just more of like if I'm dating someone.
	That's valid.
	It's a valid, yeah.
	If I'm dating someone, I want to know like, I'm not going to date just to date.
	Personally, that's just me.
	I'm just like, I want to date to Mary if I do that, or just at least have like an idea, just not knowing like it's going to like end like a week later.
	Or I'm not saying that's what happened, but just like, I just like, I want that reassurance with that.
	And I'm just like, it was just not going to work with the long distance and everything.
	I see.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	It's like getting more attached when you know that it has kind of an expiration date on it.
	Exactly.
	It's better to just kind of cut drive.
	Yeah.
	And I'm like, I loved him.
	I'm like, it wasn't like anything bad.
	It was just like, didn't work.
	And I know I deserved more than like that.
	Okay.
	So you ended things then?
	Yes, I ended things.
	Got it.
	Over text or?
	No, in person.
	In person.
	It was over, it was.
	Okay, it was over FaceTime.
	And then he came over and we talked.
	Yeah, and then it is, yeah.
	And then like, was he like fighting for it or was he just like, yeah, okay?
	He, over FaceTime, he shut down and then he came over and we talked and he and then he did try fighting for it and I was like, I broke up with him on FaceTime and then I was like, okay.
	And then he came over and then we talked and like I thought it was a good talk and then like the next day I was like, no.
	But no hard feelings towards him at all.
	It just happens.
	Okay.
	All right.
	You went to UCSB freshman year too, right?
	Okay.
	Any dating experiences out here in the area?
	Just him.
	Are you in a sorority at all?
	I'm not.
	I'm not in sorority.
	Any partying?
	Do you party at all?
	Not really.
	I'm like, I'm not really what my vibe is.
	I'm like, I just work a lot.
	Try to make that bank.
	All right, cool.
	And you said you date to Mary.
	Are you religious at all?
	I noticed you were wearing a cross.
	What denomination?
	What do you mean?
	Like, are you Protestant, Catholic, non-denominational?
	Just Christian, not Catholic.
	Okay.
	I grew up Christian with my mom.
	What about?
	With your mom?
	Are your parents separated?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	They divorced when I was four.
	Gotcha.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	I am currently married.
	Him and I have been together for about 10 years.
	My first husband, I was together with about 11 or 12 years, and that's my longest relationship.
	All right.
	Kids?
	Four.
	From this marriage, previous marriage?
	One.
	The first one.
	The first marriage.
	Okay, so you have four kids from the first marriage.
	Yes.
	That ended.
	You remarried.
	Has your current husband adopted your current children?
	No.
	When we got married, my kids were 10, 12, 15, and 16.
	And his name is Chad, so they just called him Step Chad.
	That's cute.
	I love that.
	And it's all good.
	We were really blessed.
	We did not have any real issues with them accepting him.
	They knew he was a good man.
	And so now the time between the two husbands, that's really interesting.
	Yeah, what happened there?
	I dated a lot.
	So yeah.
	You got to kiss a few frogs.
	Yeah.
	To find your princess.
	Like, I really, I kind of thought it was like female empowerment and I'm going to like do whatever I want and all that stuff.
	And it just really was kind of a raw deal at the end of the day.
	So.
	Give us, what are the details on that?
	Well, I was dating online, so I'd have a roster of 10, 12 guys whenever I needed them.
	And this was about 10 years ago.
	So, yeah.
	So they would buy me things, whatever I wanted.
	And you met them online, you said?
	Yep.
	Was it, were you using dating apps?
	Dating apps.
	Okay.
	And you had a roster of 10 to 12?
	And was that the biggest the roster was, or was it bigger?
	10 to 12?
	Probably 10 to 12.
	And you'd be like hooking up with all of them.
	Yep.
	Okay.
	And you said some of them would like pay, give you money or buy you gifts.
	Whereas sugar daddy type arrangements.
	I'd have a guy say like, I'm going to pay for your divorce and I'll take care of you.
	What do you need?
	Pay for the divorce?
	That's a new one.
	I ain't heard that one before.
	Another guy was like, hey, let's go out to lunch.
	And I'm like, hey, I'm working.
	I got to get this.
	I was working for a nonprofit and I needed to get some food to do this non-profit.
	He's like, what do you need?
	And I told him and he's like, okay, I got it covered.
	Come meet me.
	Hell yeah.
	And so.
	Was this a guy you like had just met?
	No.
	Oh.
	I had slept with him a couple times before then.
	So.
	Damn, dudes be doing crazy shit.
	They do.
	You have no idea.
	What do you think?
	Fuck, bro.
	They do.
	And I. I'll buy a girl in and out.
	That's it.
	Yeah.
	I know.
	The fuck.
	Killer of Cereal donated 69.
	What's up, Killer?
	Can you add this to the end of that line of questions?
	How did everybody's parents meet?
	Hope everyone has a great, fulfilling, and purposeful line of conversations.
	Welcome back, Brian.
	Another week.
	Thank you, Kill of Cereal.
	Appreciate it, man.
	I'll ask the parents meet once we get through the relationship status stuff.
	Thank you, Killer of Cereal.
	Very good to see you in the chat.
	Thank you, thank you.
	By the way, Nick, just when Go Center, you can pull up the Streamlabs thing.
	You didn't know your basis in there?
	Actually, good point.
	Never mind.
	You guys are doing six months.
	Come on.
	So the 10 to 12 roster.
	Your now husband, was he dating you while you had the roster?
	No.
	Okay.
	I had to grow through that and realize that it was eating my soul.
	And I ended up seriously repenting and begging God to let me live and not feel shame and guilt and everything else.
	And then I stopped everything for a couple years.
	And then I ended up meeting my husband.
	And he's an amazing man.
	And he took on four teenagers and said, I love you enough to let's do this together.
	That's a good cool.
	That's a good man.
	He's a very good man.
	How'd you meet him?
	Online.
	No, I actually said to him, I said, I'm getting offline.
	I'm not comfortable anymore doing this.
	I don't like it.
	But something kept drawing me back to his profile.
	And so I said, here's my number.
	If you want to talk to me, call me.
	But I'm done with the online dating.
	Oh, that sounds sweet.
	And he stepped up.
	Totally stepped up.
	If they wanted to, they would.
	I love that.
	What do you mean?
	If they wanted to, they would.
	Like, if they wanted to step up, if they wanted to be in your life, if they wanted to do that for you, they would do that.
	Because I've been doing that.
	We actually, Nick, do you remember that homath video that we reacted to about that?
	If they wanted to.
	Oh, okay.
	Oh, yeah, that's a bit different.
	Sorry.
	No, you're good.
	It's how does it go?
	I think she has a.
	What is it?
	If he doesn't.
	Find someone who would.
	Oh, if he doesn't, she'll find.
	Is that what you said?
	Yeah, and you said if they wanted to.
	They would.
	And so what does that mean?
	Just more of like if they wanted to put in the effort, they would.
	If they wanted to be there for you, they would.
	If they want to show you that they care, they would.
	Basically, like you wouldn't have to ask them.
	You wouldn't have like training your boyfriend or training your significant other to do the things that you would want.
	But it's also they wouldn't ask you if they actually wanted to do it or they wouldn't, you wouldn't have to ask them to do something if they actually wanted to do it.
	That's valid, but it's also like it's not no hate on guys whatsoever, but it's also like sometimes guys don't know what you specifically want versus other people.
	So it's more like that's just a communication thing.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Yeah, exactly.
	But I'm just like, on my first date with my ex, he literally like picked me up and he like an hour before like took like set up like this like like wow.
	Okay.
	He set up like this blanket and like this like painting and got like my favorite Mexican food and picked me up.
	We went over and like watched the sunset and built like a fire.
	First date met the guy.
	Like what?
	So I was like if they wanted to they would.
	Well see and that's exactly what she said to me.
	Do you think I should do that though?
	If they like a girl if they're serious about a girl I think so.
	I think put your all in like that because if you do that I'll reciprocate it back.
	Buck Key Larson donated $71.
	Ladies you're engaged for two months and your soon-to-be husband earns $200,000 per year.
	Ladies, would you end an engagement if he said he does not want to have a joint checking account with you?
	Yes, absolutely.
	There's another one that's coming in immediately.
	I have a video by the way.
	Maybe later.
	Vampire Lord donated $69.
	Which chat platform do y'all use when watching the casual chats?
	Is it YouTube, Twitch, or another platform?
	I want to be sure I'm on the right one to be seen when chatting.
	Do you mean Vampire Lore?
	Can you clarify?
	Do you mean what the panel is seeing?
	We don't even put the chats.
	We used to for the first maybe 70 shows actually show the chat, but the panelists would just, they couldn't behave themselves, and they'd just be reading the chat the entire time, not even paying attention to the conversation.
	So we don't have chat visible for anybody on the panel.
	The only like, so the only thing you'll be able to see really are the reads and the TTSs that come through.
	It would be nice to obviously be able to interact with the normal chat, but just the nature of the show, there's ongoing conversation.
	So, yeah, but thank you for your TTS, man.
	Appreciate it.
	But the primary chat, though, there are times where we do pull up the chat.
	If we have to poll or something, that's on YouTube.
	We always pull up the YouTube chat.
	Going back to Bucky Larson, he asked, you're engaged for two months and you're soon to be husband.
	Actually, hold on.
	Let me, Bucky, I'm going to come back to that.
	I'm going to come back to your blanket thing.
	So, your first date with the guy you dated for five months.
	He put like there were roses and there's no food.
	It was just a blanket.
	Yeah, it was just a blanket, and it was like overlooking the sunset, like on kind of like a cliff.
	So there's like a beach down below and stuff.
	Okay, that's not too.
	No, but then he brought like acrylic paint and brought like my favorite food and like a shotgun.
	Oh, okay.
	He did bring like firewalls.
	First date?
	First date.
	Did he know you?
	Were you friends before?
	I met him through a friend in my chemical engineering class.
	I was friends with her, and then it was like her boyfriend's friend.
	Wait, he brought paint, so you guys painted?
	Yeah, we painted.
	Reap what you so donated $69 The original Vivian Ward Cruella DeVille and a goth muffin top Walk into a podcast This looks like a modern Disney film In the making Who's Crilla de Ville, guys?
	You're Crilla.
	I'm kidding.
	That makes me the muffin top.
	You are typing over a screen.
	Just want to remind you of that.
	So I'm sure you look just as fried.
	If not more.
	Shots fired.
	Okay.
	TTS has now been bumped, guys, to back to 200 FYI.
	Hold on, let me just make sure that's all set here.
	One sec, boys.
	Okay.
	That should be set.
	TTS has been bumped.
	I will bring back up the ones that already came from Bucky and Killa.
	I will get you guys in.
	Okay.
	Wait.
	Oh, Brian.
	I love LaProt Warrior from 0 to 16.
	Woah Classic because of this.
	Can you boost me DM?
	Living on a thin line at the moment.
	Okay, that's a kinks reference.
	I don't play World of Warcraft.
	I don't play video games anymore.
	I used to four years ago.
	But I don't play video games anymore.
	I still will occasionally catch Twitch streams and stuff, but that's the extent of it.
	Thank you, man.
	Appreciate it.
	Sorry, just, oh, okay, hold on.
	There's a bunch coming in.
	I'll read it.
	Just to be fair, I agree with your choice.
	If they could see the stuff being said, it would get wild on here for sure.
	LOL, thank you for the clarification, though.
	This is my first time interacting with y'all.
	Thank you.
	Well, that's the other thing, too, is like if the chat gets nasty, then they just shut down.
	Because when you're anonymous, people are just going to say nasty things and stuff.
	So did I miss any other 69s that came through, Nick?
	No, I really shouldn't go.
	I caught them.
	Okay.
	All right, guys.
	Just heads up.
	Pull it back up.
	TTS is back up to hide it for a sec.
	Yo, Crazy, thank you.
	Hold on, hide it for a sec.
	Crazy, thank you for the gift of 20 subs on Twitch.
	Appreciate it, man.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	You can pull it back up.
	Guys, TTS is now 200, read 100.
	Appreciate it, guys.
	Okay, so.
	Okay, I have a question.
	Hold on, hold on.
	Paint?
	Paints.
	Like, you painted like a can.
	Like he brought a canyon.
	I will say that was our first original date.
	We had like a double date.
	He was a golfer, so like we all went on like just to like see like the vibes.
	How did he know your favorite food?
	That was my question.
	He texted me.
	He asked me.
	Yeah, he asked.
	Damn.
	These guys be doing all this extra shit.
	But I think effort is hot.
	Like, it just shows that they're interested.
	And I think.
	It doesn't matter what length they go to.
	If they show that they care and find something specific to what she likes.
	Here's the guy's perspective.
	Effort is hot.
	Why can't y'all do that shit?
	Who says we don't?
	Who said we don't?
	We do.
	You don't.
	I do.
	I know.
	I do.
	Bullshit.
	Bullshit.
	No fucking way.
	I used to clean his house just because he would like to.
	After you were in a relationship, right?
	I mean, yeah.
	On the first date, did you do it?
	No, I didn't go to his house.
	Second date?
	I didn't go to his house a while.
	Right, so once the relationship was more established.
	I would buy him some food.
	I would drive him.
	Like, I would go both ways.
	Right, but this idea of guys should put more effort in.
	Like, it's kind of.
	In my opinion, it should be 100%, 100% both ways.
	It shouldn't be one way.
	It isn't.
	But it isn't.
	I'm just saying that was my opinion.
	But being old-fashioned, you want to be pursued as a woman.
	You don't want to be the pursuer.
	And my husband told me he used to take notes when we would talk.
	And then he would be like, set up the next date based on all our conversations and do something really sweet.
	That's so good.
	It's just a little bit.
	It's like, you really want to show me that you like me.
	And if you do that for me, I'll do that back.
	Because sometimes people in this world, they don't want to do that.
	They just want to like just hit it.
	Yeah, but then you'll also encounter women where if you do all that extra shit, you come off desperate and like just.
	Then she doesn't know you're worth.
	Then you leave her and you find the next woman that appreciates you.
	Yeah.
	It's about the compatibility.
	It's about the compatibility.
	Also, a man is secure when a woman appreciates what he does.
	Now, if a woman's not appreciating it and not showing, if they're not showing that they appreciate those small things, then yeah, he should bounce.
	I feel like everyone should just be appreciative of everyone and everyone should just say, I love you.
	I thank you.
	I see you for this and I see what you're doing for me and I appreciate you.
	Also, it's the way it's perceived.
	So like if like if like a guy were to, that I didn't have an interest in were to do that for me, then it would be like perceived as maybe like overbearing or too much or even creepy.
	Like why are you taking me to this remote place?
	Like what are you doing?
	Hanging off a cliff.
	Like that could be perceived differently if you weren't interested in the guy already originally.
	Same with taking notes off of my conversations.
	Yeah, I'd be a little creeped.
	Exactly.
	If I didn't like him, I'd be like, what are you doing?
	But it's like, it's sweet.
	It's like, oh, you think about me that much that you write my birthday.
	You think of this.
	You FaceTime me and be like, oh, here, like, I thought of you.
	And like, both of those examples of like a man doing something like forthright to like show his interest in you both did not cost probably more than anything really.
	Like a first date.
	Canvas paint is fucking expensive.
	I don't know if you're a girl through a restaurant.
	I'm an artist.
	It doesn't have to be.
	I paint.
	I'm a filter.
	The effort doesn't have to be expensive.
	It doesn't have to pay.
	It doesn't have to cost money.
	It just has to be like literally pick up a rock on the side of the road and say, here you go.
	I literally thought of you and I love you.
	And it's like literally anything.
	It also hurts.
	It costs nothing to just type something in your notes.
	Hold on.
	But there's a difference between the effort that you put in once there's an established relationship and then you're just meeting this person.
	I agree.
	You don't really know how they move.
	Definitely.
	For example, can I ask perhaps both of you a question?
	Not to throw you under the bus.
	You're currently having sexual intercourse with 10 to 15 men.
	I would like for you to make a convincing argument that I ought to extend the kind of treatment that you guys are talking about to somebody who's currently sleeping with 10 to 15 other people.
	Do you think that...
	I still have that treatment with multiple people, though.
	Yeah, you still get it.
	If there's a question of deserving it.
	And it's temporary.
	I say personally, you just have to know your worth and know that you are gorgeous and you are beautiful.
	And that I know you've probably been told this by so many people, but genuinely, it doesn't change until you start believing it.
	You are worth to have just one man and to have that man love you so much and just like give you their all.
	I'm like, personally, I'm Christian, so like, I won't get like religious on here, but like, just you deserve to have love and respect from someone and you deserve or many people if that's what you desire.
	Because you can't spell this and the want of a career.
	But like, so here's this, like, all right, a guy should do this like traditional chivalrous thing.
	He should be chivalrous.
	In my view, men only ought to be chivalrous if the woman is whatever the reverse of that is, aka a lady.
	You want gentlemanly treatment.
	You ought to be a lady.
	She's still going to get it.
	She'll still get it because there's a bunch of simps out there that have no respect for themselves.
	That's totally fine.
	But there's no scenario where I'm going to do all those romantic gestures towards a woman who's entertaining men.
	Well, because that's not what she wants.
	No, they win in the long run.
	The ones that stick around, though.
	What's that?
	The ones that stick around, though, they stay.
	Well, why do you think they stay?
	Out of genuine curiosity.
	Out of the way.
	They're pressed to get pussy.
	No, it's around a relationship more so.
	I build friendships and stuff with people I sleep with.
	Yeah, I'm really close to the moment.
	Closer to me.
	Do you think closer to the mic, maybe?
	He was saying closer to the mic.
	You're okay, you're okay.
	Do you think they respect you?
	Yeah, fully.
	Especially since she's being honest with them.
	It's not like she's intentionally like.
	I mean, I don't let men degrade me in any way, shape, or form.
	And no man should ever degrade a woman and no woman should ever demand.
	Sorry, I'm going to just give you a hard line right now.
	They don't respect you.
	They don't.
	Yeah.
	They don't.
	They have zero respect for you.
	They don't have respect for themselves.
	They want your pussy and that's all.
	Yeah, but that is all you are to them.
	It depends on how you're going to be able to do it.
	And that might be all she wants to be at the time, though.
	Yeah.
	That might be all she wants to be at the time.
	And she wants to stick around.
	I mean, so exactly what you were saying.
	Why would she, like, I mean, you just said, like, you, like, you don't care about that stuff.
	You're like, I don't mind.
	So she doesn't mind.
	She doesn't mind.
	But like, personally.
	I mean, I think people go through phases in life too.
	You meet people.
	Oh, no.
	No, no, no.
	I'm not saying you are going through phases.
	I'm just saying everybody is on their own journey and everybody's looking for something, right?
	So for example, you, you're attracting other men that are kind of on your vibe.
	Right?
	And you're probably attracting people that are on the similar journey of what you're looking for.
	So you can't say someone's disrespecting you.
	Yeah.
	You're right.
	So that's true.
	I think it's fine.
	I think it's fixed.
	Chat, just refresh.
	Chat.
	Just refresh if you had any lag.
	It's working again.
	Sorry, guys.
	Doesn't look like we, I don't see dropped frames, so I don't think it was too bad.
	Yeah.
	Okay, go ahead, continue.
	I'm just kind of answering your question in a way, why would a guy go out of his way on the first date?
	I think it's because he probably met you and he felt how you are and he kind of knew your intentions and he knew what he wanted.
	So I think it's totally cool that he did that for you.
	I agree.
	And I think you, if you want that in the future, you'll attract people that would do that for you.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Can I interject?
	It's all what you want.
	There's a huge difference in dating to date and there's a huge difference in dating to marry.
	Yeah.
	Dating out.
	Yeah, obviously.
	And so.
	Can I just interject and say one thing?
	So, and I mean this in like the most respectful way.
	When you were in between marriages, you were sleeping with roughly the same amount of people as Amber is sleeping with currently.
	So, just like how she is just as deserving as finding the husband that you found that stood up to the plate, she is too.
	That's just not the stage that she's currently in because she's 22 and hot and lives in LA.
	At the same time, you are literally eating away at your soul when you're doing that.
	It is harmful to your psyche.
	It breaks you down as a human being.
	And one day, one day, not now, might not be 10 years, might not be 20 years.
	One day you will feel shame for the way you're behaving.
	And if you don't feel shame for the way you're behaving, then you have not grown at all.
	And then why would you have to feel shame at all?
	I don't know.
	The thing is, if you change your behavior now, you can get on a different path and you cannot do the damage to your soul.
	But if you continue in this behavior, soul is what it is.
	Are you looking to find a husband or are you just what you want?
	Do you want an answer to that?
	Would you like a husband?
	Oh, my God.
	Would you like one partner in the future?
	That's not something that you desire?
	I don't think so.
	Can I ask why?
	Just out of curiosity?
	Trauma, probably, just from trauma.
	I mean, I've personally had like a lot of trauma in the past as well.
	nothing compared to yours or whatever but just like don't ever compare trauma Everyone.
	Yeah, yeah.
	That's a valid statement.
	But it's just like, if you really, like, everyone deserves that.
	If you're, I mean, everyone deserves to be a lot of people.
	Everyone have to go through their own path in a way to grow.
	Yeah.
	Like, I don't think anyone can just say, you have to do it like this.
	You have to do it like this.
	Yeah, there's no one right way.
	Everyone can change your mind.
	You know, you're going to change your mind or you might.
	There's a person that'll come across my path and change my mind.
	But I don't see it as of now because, I mean, I live in LA.
	Everyone's pretty shady.
	There's no one that's loyal.
	No.
	There are people that are loyal everywhere.
	Not in LA.
	Not in our scene.
	It's very hard to find people in our scene, I agree with.
	But the great thing about Amber's lifestyle is that you don't have to live it.
	We have a choice.
	Exactly.
	I will support whatever my friend wants to do.
	That's her life.
	Definitely.
	Of course.
	No, she wants to find yourself in your life.
	And she feels fulfilled with how she is.
	She's not hurting anybody else.
	You can find loyal people.
	It just depends on where you're looking.
	Like, you're not going to find a loyal man in a bar, like, drinking with, like, his buddy.
	I mean, maybe you will.
	But just also, like, if you go to a party, probably not going to be like the most loyal.
	Like, I'm just like, it's also like where you go to find your people.
	But you're not going to be able to do that.
	Everyone's actually loyal anyway.
	So you just have to really find out what your experiences.
	If you can't grow through your experiences, then you just don't become a fulfilled person.
	So even though you're here right now, you hopefully, hopefully, will grow through this and look back and go, could have done things different.
	But like, what is growth really?
	Like, it's different for every person.
	Yeah, but you can learn from your mistakes and still have a different path than you would choose completely and still be completely different.
	So you said there's just nobody in LA.
	So if there were, would you go a different path?
	Maybe, yeah.
	She will grow.
	And I mean, not grow in that way.
	I think you will.
	As long as you portray yourself in that way, you'll attract the people that you want to attract by the way you look, the way you dress, the way you act, the way you talk.
	You'll attract the people that you're going to be.
	And she's happy with that currently.
	Exactly, which is totally fine.
	That was just my opinion.
	And it doesn't mean she has to feel shame later on.
	Yeah.
	I personally, I'll say this right now.
	I was on this podcast twice before this, and my body count was 100, 200.
	I didn't even know.
	I lost track.
	I didn't care to know.
	And I'm just going to say this right now.
	I was in the exact same position.
	Jameson 2029 donated $200.
	Kale Smile and everyone on the podcast.
	Would the ladies date an introvert/slash someone who is not a social butterfly type of guy?
	Just hands up, would you date a introvert?
	I prefer that.
	Yeah, of course.
	I mean, I'm not gonna hate a guy on if he's introvert or extrovert.
	I feel like we're better animals.
	Yo, Jameson.
	Jameson, thank you for the 200 TTS man.
	Appreciate it.
	Thank you, thank you.
	Go ahead.
	But like I was saying, I'm someone that was in the exact same place as Amber is now.
	And we were both on a fucking slut crazy rampage.
	And like, I'm just saying, like, now I'm in a committed, monogamous relationship, which is something I never foresaw for myself.
	But I found a person that I am attached to and was willing to, you know, completely drop that lifestyle that I was doing.
	But in no way do I feel shame for it.
	In no way do I feel like my soul was eaten or I was harmed.
	I was having, I was having relationships with consenting adults.
	I never was deceitful towards anyone.
	And therefore, I know in my soul and in my heart that I am a good person.
	I am a loyal friend and all of those amazing characteristics that I'm sure a lot of us have.
	And in no way, shape, or form am I going to degrade myself or make myself feel shameful for the actions that I had at a time and place.
	Would I do it now?
	Would I do it again after this relationship ends?
	Hopefully it doesn't.
	But if it were to, probably not.
	But that doesn't mean that, and yes, that means growth for sure, like you're expressing, but in no way do I feel shameful or like what I did was you can't.
	So yeah, you can feel however you want to feel about your past actions.
	That's totally fine, frankly.
	I don't think I don't really care how you feel.
	I don't care if you feel shameful.
	I don't care if you don't give a fuck at all about past promiscuity.
	This is a dating podcast.
	So from the male purview, men don't want to, typically, most men don't want to date and/or marry women who have a past or current of promiscuity.
	Yeah, and I had to change in order to attract a good man.
	Now, he has no idea about my past because we've just never discussed.
	I was telling him, like, you don't need to watch.
	But I had to change my ways.
	I had to say, if I want a high-quality man, I have to be a high-quality woman.
	And that exactly is not include sleeping with a bunch of people.
	You said, I don't even get over.
	Exactly.
	It just does attract the people that you're around.
	I did want to have a conversation that we were having about this effort component here.
	Men should put in more effort.
	And I suppose that's what I'm saying.
	What do you mean?
	Do you mean more effort than women?
	More effort in general?
	What do you mean?
	In general, I hear these complaints frequently from women that men don't put in any effort.
	Men don't put in effort anymore.
	Since when have women really ever put in effort when it comes to the initial stages of building a relationship?
	Typically, in the beginning, it usually is the man.
	I just said the man.
	I didn't hear what you said.
	I'm sorry, right?
	I just said they don't.
	Hold on, let her speak.
	Go ahead.
	I was just going to say, because typically women or some women like the traditional way more, and so do the men.
	So like the men usually swoon, like you were saying before.
	That's usually, I mean, that's how I was grown up: the men usually swoon a little bit more and then they catch the women because the women are supposed to be the catch.
	The women aren't, in my opinion, the women aren't supposed to be the ones chasing.
	That's personally how I've been grown up.
	And I'm just like, I think that's like the right way.
	I don't think a woman should ever have to chase a man.
	But I mean, if you find someone attractive and stuff, then obviously put in more effort from there.
	And just like if the guy catches your eye.
	And I will say, my mom brought me up, and my mom is a little crazy, so let's just put that pin in that.
	She told me, she said, always have a relationship with men that like you more than you like them.
	That's true, though.
	I've been told that as well.
	It has to be the reverse.
	The woman has to like the man more than the reverse.
	That just does not mean that's how it is.
	But there's no such thing as equally because interests and in general, like there's so many different levels to the loving and the liking.
	Like everyone loves completely different and everyone expresses it in different ways.
	But it is.
	It does usually work out better when a man just loves more than a woman, because a woman is already so emotional, emotional and is already so invested into everything from the beginning that it just it's it's a.
	It's more heartbreaking for a woman to love more period.
	If that were the case, then have you heard of I don't know if it's exactly a meme, but uh, women will often complain that they have a bunch of men that are interested in them, but the guy that they like doesn't like them.
	So how could it possibly be the case that women will turn down dozens of men that are displaying immense amount of interest in them but have their eye and like putting those guys to the side, but have their eye on the guy that they?
	I want him, but he doesn't want me, because it's natural to want what you can't have.
	Right, but that's wholly, hold on, but that's wholly.
	Then your whole thing, your argument of well, my mom told me that it's better for the guy to like you more than the reverse, whereas it's you still have to like them.
	Though, you still have to like them.
	It's not about like oh, you don't like them at all.
	It's like you just made the argument that the guy has to like you, or it works out better or it doesn't matter how much it's like it could be a little bit more, it could be like it's.
	It's just about the expression and the investment, and women are already more invested from the start.
	It's not true at all.
	That's not typically okay.
	Well, let me ask you, women have.
	I don't think you understand the degree of sexual optionality that women have compared to men.
	Um, I actually understand that.
	Quiet, quiet a bit.
	Remember I updated a lot of people at a time.
	Okay cool, you're making my argument for me.
	So, since women yeah, but we all yeah, can you stop interrupting?
	So because women have, can somebody?
	This is the second time somebody's phone has gone off.
	That's just my alarm.
	Sorry, shouldn't turn off my alarm.
	I silenced my phone yeah, all right.
	So um, totally lost my train of thought about the argument that men.
	And then she said that she's been with multiple partners at once and you said that that's I was making.
	Um, can somebody?
	You had a thought.
	Well, let me ask you jumpstart me here, can it?
	Let me ask, no no no no, don't ask me jumpstart my thought uh, that the women uh or, but that the men should be aware of women invested in the men in the beginning of the relationship, and you were saying that's not typically true.
	And then she was saying how her mom was saying that um, what did you want to say?
	Well, that was first.
	That was first.
	And then I said that.
	You were saying that women have multiple options?
	I was talking about sexual optionalities.
	So there's such a massive gulf and differential between the sexual optionality that men and women have.
	So an average woman, if she's so inclined, she could have the same set, like the same amount quantity of sexual options as like an A-list celebrity, male athlete, movie star, musician, billionaire, etc.
	Average girl like you, you're a 19-year-old girl who goes to UCSB who studies math, you have the equivalent sexual optionality as an A-list celebrity, movie star, whatever, what have you.
	If you wanted to sleep with three guys a day, could you?
	Yeah, but I'm not sure.
	Well, right.
	You maybe wouldn't want to do that, but you could.
	In order for a guy to be able to sleep with three women a day, he has to be in the top 1% of men or be bringing major status or lower standards.
	Lower standards.
	Even if he lowers his standards, he can't fuck three girls a day.
	I have met men who did.
	I have dated men who did.
	You've met average dudes who can fuck three girls a day, even if they lower their standards.
	I'm sorry.
	Okay, and they did not even lower their standards.
	All the girls were hot.
	What?
	Yeah, I have dated men.
	I have dated men that have a live-in, I mean, a wife, and then a girlfriend, and then they have like three more, you know, as well.
	It's a polyamorous.
	Did you hear what I actually said, though?
	Well, yes, that.
	Okay, so to procure a brand new girl that you've never met before, either through a dating app or out on the street, do you think that most, like what percentage of the average man can pull three girls a day?
	Can I add something to that?
	Answer the question.
	Answer the question.
	Well, I don't really like men too much, so I don't think that there's too many men who can do that without doing.
	Well, I'm not going to go into, okay, let's say about 25% of men can do it.
	However, it can be up to like 40 if men put in more effort in, let's say, what they're wearing, how they're styling themselves, and how they talk, how they're talking about how they are.
	I think 40% of the average male, they can't do that.
	Answer the question.
	If they improve, if they improve their confidence, they can pull three girls a day.
	Yes.
	You're insane.
	I'm sorry.
	Okay, but I'm sorry.
	You look the way that you do, so it's like...
	Can they get girls?
	Through dating apps.
	They could get girls.
	No.
	Bro.
	I know so many people that are.
	Delusional.
	Actually, delusional.
	Okay.
	I think in general, women put, on average, a little more effort into how they present themselves.
	Exactly.
	So we can't judge completely based on that.
	Like if some you call average men put in a little more effort, just like the girls that want to exactly makeup around the eyes.
	Okay.
	Well, yeah, that'll be like.
	Okay.
	Yeah, no, I get you.
	It's the confidence.
	I'll just give you the reverse of your argument then.
	If a girl makes absolutely no effort, she doesn't put any makeup on, she rolls out of bed, she's wearing sweatpants, her hair's all disheveled, she can go out into the street and fuck 10 guys in a day or something.
	I disagree.
	I disagree because I was that girl.
	I was that girl at a time.
	Hold on, hold on.
	Hold on.
	You were that girl at the time.
	Did you go up to 10 men on the street and ask them point blank, period, will you have sex with me right now?
	Why the fuck would I do that?
	No, no.
	You're not even engaging in good faith here.
	That's literally what I'm talking about.
	That's literally what I'm talking about.
	Okay, well, except I would not be able to get those 10 guys to sleep on me if I did ask them.
	I told you to stop.
	I'm cutting you off.
	So let me translate.
	This is your argument.
	So I was that girl who, you know, woke up, didn't put makeup on, wore sweatpants, was disheveled.
	Is that your fucking phone?
	Sorry.
	Turn it off.
	Yeah, turn it off.
	I'm just here.
	Can you just come over here?
	Here, go this way.
	Just let it.
	Why get her up?
	Just pass her the phone.
	I was going to say, also, kind of, do you want me to keep your thought?
	Why wouldn't we have just passed.
	Okay.
	So you didn't wear makeup.
	You were disheveled.
	You, and so your point of view is that guys just didn't come up to you.
	That's your argument.
	No, no, I...
	That's your argument.
	No, no, I have tried to be friends with people.
	I've tried to be friends with guys, with women, with everybody.
	But a lot more people physically and literally rejected me as a person just based on how I was looking, period.
	Like, it actually does matter a lot.
	Like, pretty privilege is a real thing.
	Okay, so here, why don't we operate from the scenario that I gave you?
	Sleeping with three new people in a day.
	Okay.
	So who do you think would fare better if I send an average woman or an average man to the street with a billboard with a sign that says, I'm looking for dick, I'm looking for pussy.
	Okay.
	Who's going to get rid of the woman here is an average woman and you're an average man.
	What does that have to do with anything?
	Answer the actual question.
	Okay, because the thing is that average man and average woman are already different.
	Because average woman already puts in more effort into how she presents herself.
	Literally a five and a five.
	A five and a five, so their looks match.
	Okay, so they look exactly the same.
	They are looks equivalent.
	They don't look exactly the same.
	They would be looks equivalents.
	Okay.
	A woman would have an easier time.
	Probably.
	Yeah, I agree.
	A woman would have an awesome time.
	Yeah, a woman would have an easier time, but it's not like every single guy is going to, you know, every single guy looks like a musician.
	Did I make the argument that every single guy would go up and want to fuck her?
	No, I'm not sure.
	That's not the argument I'm making.
	Yeah, but it could be one out of 20 men.
	Yeah.
	That would be enough.
	Yeah, and that's fine.
	Right, but I don't know.
	You're making an argument about something totally different.
	Okay, well, my bad.
	I didn't mean to sidetrack in that particular direction.
	But it's like, yeah, a woman would have an easier time.
	But like, also, men are a little bit more desperate just to begin with.
	Do women like desperate men?
	Not really, but men will pretend that they're not and try.
	Masculine men.
	That's if that's what you're asking.
	Not all.
	No, I said typically.
	I said typically.
	Oh, never mind.
	Sorry.
	I was just going to say that.
	So wait, do you think that there are more strong masculine men than there are just attractive women?
	I don't really know how to answer that.
	I would say probably not.
	I have no idea.
	Wait, you think that?
	Okay, here's the difference.
	Do you think there are more attractive women or more attractive men?
	Personally, in my opinion, more attractive men, because I don't find women attractive.
	No, no, no.
	I don't mean, I'm not telling you.
	You don't have to find them sexually or romantically attractive, I just mean like- I'd say typically the women are because they usually put in more into like their looks, into their makeup, into their hair.
	I feel like there's more, just because I feel like there's, sorry, I did miss something.
	That was just a comment.
	Oh, I just feel like I lost my turn.
	The women put in more effort.
	Oh, so typically the women would be prettier, I guess you could say.
	You disagree?
	No, I completely agree because that is the truth.
	Women already from the very start, from the very childhood, they have to present a certain way and they have to look a certain way and they're taught to act a specific way and just be a specific way in every single better word to be the better themselves, every single time.
	I feel like it's not really like a super taught thing.
	I feel like more so than just an expectation that society kind of grooms women to care more about their appearance than they would most males.
	We have things that are obviously like we have advantages in the sense that women, obviously women, men, and non-binary can all wear makeup.
	I'm just saying that predominantly, like a straight male is not going to wear makeup.
	And me personally, I look completely different without fake eyelashes, eyeliner, and all of this stuff.
	So, and also women are more predominantly going to get boob jobs, lip filler, different things like that.
	They can change their appearance than women.
	Well, men can wear cute outfits.
	Yeah, but it doesn't.
	They don't.
	I'll even put on a man's outfit.
	They don't.
	They don't do it for the figure.
	They don't do it for like the specific style sounds.
	They just put on the shirt.
	I'm going to move along of relationship status.
	I'm single.
	And my one and only relationship was three years.
	How long have you been single?
	Six months.
	Six months.
	Okay.
	Who ended the relationship?
	Me.
	Why is that?
	We just had a difference in, I would say, like overall morals and values.
	We weren't aligned.
	Do you mean like, are you religious?
	Yeah.
	And was he not religious?
	No, not really.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Relationship status?
	I'm engaged.
	Oh, my gosh.
	Weren't you engaged last time?
	How long have you been engaged?
	A few years.
	Almost two years.
	Two years.
	Okay.
	All right.
	We got everyone's status.
	Nick, what were the chats that I...
	He killed a serial, asked whose parents are together, and then...
	No, he asked how the parents met.
	How they met, yeah.
	And then what was the other one, Bucky Larson?
	Were those the only two that we needed to get back to, or was there another one?
	That's all I recall.
	Okay.
	I think I'm right.
	I think it's just those two.
	Bucky Larson, ladies, you're engaged for two months and your soon-to-be-husband earns 200k a year.
	Ladies, would you end an engagement if he said he does not want to have a joint checking account with you?
	No.
	No.
	Yes.
	Did they say you were engaged with them?
	Here, why don't we just go around the table and get people's answers?
	Go ahead.
	Wait, well, I don't understand.
	What do you mean?
	If you're not going to hear the question, no, I didn't understand it.
	You didn't understand the question.
	If you don't have a joint account, what am I saying?
	Yes or no, dude?
	That's how I was saying.
	Would you divorce a man if he didn't want to have a joint bank account with you and you guys were married?
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Yeah.
	You weren't there.
	What about you?
	Cool.
	No, I would not divorce.
	Okay.
	I wouldn't divorce them.
	I make my own money.
	Yeah.
	I wouldn't divorce either.
	It was an engagement question.
	I would cut it off before we got married.
	Oh, yeah, that's right.
	Oh, yeah.
	Well, I would not still do it.
	Yeah, end the engagement if he does not want to have a joint checking account.
	Absolutely.
	Yeah, I would definitely.
	Oh, wait.
	No, I mean, I would ask him.
	To the mic, please.
	No, no.
	Actually, I don't know.
	All right.
	And then we had Killa of Cereal's question.
	It was.
	How did your parents meet?
	Going around the table on that.
	Just starting with you.
	My parents, well, my mom and dad, it was one night stand, and then they had me.
	So that's how they met.
	Did they date for a while?
	No.
	Okay.
	Into the.
	No, they did not.
	How about you?
	My parents met in college and they dated for a while.
	They're not together anymore.
	And then they had me.
	And I actually just met my dad like a few months ago.
	Oh, yeah.
	Congratulations.
	Yeah, it's been awesome.
	And I love both of them equally.
	So you have a relationship with your father now?
	Yes, I do.
	Well, my parents met in college.
	They dated for about a year.
	Then they wanted to get married.
	My mother's grandparents said no, and they got pregnant in spite so that they could have a wedding.
	So my parents met one another in high school and they were dating, but they broke up shortly after my mom found out that she was pregnant with me.
	Because of the pregnancy?
	No, I'm sure it was probably something to do with my dad, but I don't think it was necessarily me, but he definitely didn't.
	I mean, they had me in high school, so like, obviously, it's not like the goal to have a kid in high school.
	But he kind of went to college, didn't really believe that I was his biologically.
	Like, I wasn't his because my mom, I guess, was, I don't know what my mom was up to, but I don't want to throw my mom under the bus like that.
	But yeah, so they were never like married or anything like that.
	And shortly after they found out they were pregnant with me, he went to college and left the state.
	Do you still have a relationship with him or just?
	Yeah, I still have a relationship with both of them, but they both don't live in California.
	I have no relatives that live here in California.
	That must be hard.
	Well, you have...
	I have chosen family.
	Yeah, I have chosen family.
	I have a lot of good friends that are like my family.
	To be honest, I can't remember exactly how they met, but my mom and my stepdad, I've known my stepdad for 15 years, so they met at like a birthday party, I think.
	It was like one of their mutual friends, and they just met from.
	You said your original parents got divorced when you were four, right?
	Yeah.
	How soon after did you meet your stepdad, I guess?
	Two years?
	I think a year or two.
	My mom's like a really amazing Christian woman.
	I love my mom so much.
	So she was going like a lot of dates and like making sure she found like the right one.
	And then they waited like 10 or 12 years, I think, specifically to like actually get married.
	Oh, okay.
	And then they got married on the 4th of July, like two or three years ago.
	Nice.
	I know.
	I love them so much.
	I have no idea how my parents met.
	They divorced when I was three years old.
	But my stepdad and my mom were on a double date with other people.
	Oh, that's crazy.
	They worked together.
	They all worked at the same company.
	And so then that's how they ended up meeting.
	Okay.
	My parents are divorced, but I believe they met when they were children.
	Oh.
	Yeah.
	My parents still met on a train.
	They've been married for over 35 years.
	Nice.
	Besides hers, everyone else is here.
	Parents separated.
	Yeah.
	That's so many.
	Wow, that's crazy.
	That's what I get for being a 2000s baby.
	How about you?
	My parents were at high school street cards.
	Are they still together?
	My mom passed away, but my dad is still looking, I guess.
	Like, single.
	Yeah, my dad has passed away, too.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Different but same.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	What else?
	Okay, so I actually have a question for you.
	What's your name again?
	Mel.
	Mel.
	So you said your parents met us children.
	Yeah.
	Did they like live around each other?
	Did their families know each other?
	I think my dad went to school with my mom's brothers.
	So they just kind of like knew each other.
	Okay, so much.
	Oh, that's adorable.
	I'm so sorry.
	I forgot your name.
	What was your name?
	Pauli.
	Paula.
	Paula.
	So you said that your current husband doesn't really know about your past in between marriages, correct?
	He has an idea because one time he signed into my email, which I asked him to, and Google downloaded all my contacts into his phone.
	Is there anything?
	So he kind of was like, I don't think I want to know about this.
	Can I ask anything?
	Why would I?
	Why would I?
	Well, so, but if you guys making the argument that if you have this past, then no man will ever want you to.
	No, I don't believe that.
	Yeah, but a lot of people, so that's kind of my proof.
	Anybody can change.
	Yeah.
	So I had to change in order.
	But it's not like these people can grow.
	So I think sometimes it's wrong that people are like, no, if you do this, nobody will ever want you.
	It just makes it worse for the other person.
	I also didn't want to start anything, but he doesn't know anything about your past, and you're saying that people can still change and stuff.
	The arguments are kind of not.
	No, but he does.
	She said, well, it's about ashamed.
	He doesn't even want really getting me.
	Like, why are you so ashamed of this period in your life?
	Because it was really wrong, and it hurt my soul.
	It hurt my.
	When I looked at myself and said, I want to be a high-quality woman, and I looked at my behavior, I was like, that is not high-quality woman behavior.
	And so I was ashamed of behaving like that when I wanted to attract a good man.
	Okay, so then just to clarify, you so as a high-quality woman, that you are 100%.
	And you had to change to be that.
	But like, so were you in just like a completely like a mental breakdown kind of thing?
	Okay, so I was like a stay-at-home mom with four kids.
	My husband walked out, never came back.
	So it's just like the freedom and like the exploration.
	Right.
	It was just the like, I don't know how to cope with this.
	And I went through a lot of things.
	It's a coping mechanism.
	I went through a series of detections, basically.
	Yeah, I didn't figure it out.
	So it was not for happiness.
	You were not doing it because you were happy doing it.
	You were not happy like enjoying and living like that.
	So that's because that's not what.
	But that's not what you want to truly.
	But I thought I was.
	Because it's happiness on a shallow level.
	It's not a deepest.
	But then you had to grow through that.
	So you're probably a better person for that.
	You can probably teach your kids better.
	Yeah, because mistakes are honestly, mistakes are honestly just are like regrets are honestly just mistakes you haven't learned from right if you if you grow from something you learn from it then like it's not a It's not a regret.
	It's just something that happened that you learned from.
	But like, this is kind of a hot take, but like, to me, like, the whole rational, like, rationalizing, like, oh, women sleeping with X amount of people if it's a higher number is like they're no longer a high-value woman.
	To me, I just think that that's like a stupid cop-out, in my opinion, personally, just because at the end of the day, what makes a high-value person is different for each individual.
	Your version of a high-value man could be somebody that makes six figures or makes X amount of money or has certain morals.
	And then my version of a man could be dead broke, but he loves and cares about me intensively, and that matters more to me.
	So, each version, just like for a woman, and also another hot take that I know this audience is probably not gonna like, but I'm just gonna say it.
	If a man were to be doing what Amber is doing or what you did during between your marriages, they would get dabbed up and pat on the back, like, hell yeah, homie, you just hooked up with three girls in one day.
	Yeah.
	And if a girl does that, they're like automatically programmed to feel shameful or slutty or degraded.
	I don't think anyone should be happy.
	Wait, so would you?
	The thing is, would you guys be opposed, or would you guys feel any sort of way if a man cared about your body count?
	I guess we'll just go around the table for these questions.
	We'll start with you.
	I mean, I don't care.
	Get closer to me.
	I don't know.
	I wouldn't care, so I don't know if a man may or may not take it or leave it.
	I don't care about body count.
	My body count, I can count on like one hand.
	I guess we'll just go like, what's everybody's body count?
	We'll just do that too.
	Nope.
	We'll start with Elle.
	She's really open and honest.
	This is true.
	Because I don't feel shame.
	My body count is, I never like counted it because I'm not just some like weirdo that types in my notes every person that I've ever hooked up with.
	You also have to take into account that I am pansexual, even though I'm in a relationship with a man.
	That does not make me any less gay.
	So you also have to take into account, not dismissing how big the number is, but there's men, women, and in between.
	So that obviously is going to increase the number because I'm counting different genres of people that you guys aren't going to count if you're straight.
	But my body count's probably somewhere from like 100 to 150.
	And I still ended up in a committed, happy, healthy relationship.
	And my partner is aware of my body count and has never made me feel less than for it at all whatsoever.
	Did we go around on?
	Did everybody answer the do you care about body count?
	What was the original question posed?
	We didn't answer it.
	There was only two people I outlined.
	Why did, huh?
	Then she just singled me out to ask about it.
	Okay.
	Do you object to men caring about a woman's body count?
	Go ahead.
	Into the mic, please.
	If a man cares that much, then it's not worth my time.
	I don't know.
	Right, you wouldn't date him, but you.
	So you is that a yes?
	You object?
	Yeah, sure.
	To men caring about body count?
	Okay.
	Could you define care in what they're doing?
	You want me to define care?
	Like they wouldn't date.
	What the fuck?
	You want me to define the word?
	No, no, because it's like, would they be concerned?
	Would they be angry?
	Or would they just like no and just like care about it?
	Like, I don't know.
	Like, there's different levels of caring about a body count.
	Like, yeah, like, they could completely stop talking to you because of it.
	Or they can just.
	They would not date a girl because of her high body count.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Okay, thank you.
	That's very clear.
	I appreciate that.
	I think it's your turn.
	Yeah, I don't care about body count.
	I don't give a fuck about body count.
	Okay, that's not the question.
	The question is, do you object to men who care about body count?
	Yeah, sure.
	Yeah.
	She says, yeah.
	Yeah.
	I do not object to men who care about the body count on that level.
	Okay.
	I think that everyone has the right to care about different things, whether they want to be with somebody.
	So yes, I wouldn't care about body count, but no, I'm not going to argue with somebody.
	If they do care about that and my body count is an issue, then that's just not my person, and that's totally 100% fine.
	I don't object.
	I think if a guy is like, no, your body count's too high, and just like, that's also kind of what we've been talking about earlier, like, oh, like, your past.
	Like, I don't, like, I would respect a man.
	It's like, oh, I don't want to be with a woman who's been with a lot of men in the past because she obviously has, like, actually, I'm not going to say that because I am not in that position.
	So, no, I would not object.
	Yeah.
	No.
	They have a right to want a certain type.
	And if that's their type, then that's their type.
	And also, talking about body count to someone you care about and love is just wrong.
	It's wrong.
	Why?
	What do you mean?
	Why?
	Like, if my husband was like, how many?
	I'd be like, feel so insulted.
	Like, you married me because you love me.
	Wait, wait, wait, hold on, hold on, hold on.
	Wait, wait, wait.
	Earlier in the conversation, you said if a man didn't want to, you said that if a man Are you guys laughing?
	Is there an issue here?
	No, there's not an issue.
	Yeah, okay.
	So earlier in the conversation, you said, yo, I don't need the fucking attitude.
	What?
	She didn't say anything.
	I didn't say anything.
	I didn't say anything.
	You know, the communication can be done subtextually.
	So like you doing a little like look at her like almost as if you're mocking me?
	I'm not.
	I wasn't.
	Yeah, okay.
	So anyways, earlier in the conversation, you were saying that you would call off the engagement if the man was not willing to share his checking account with you.
	So that would mean if he was unwilling to share essentially his financial status with you.
	So how why not just couldn't I just put the argument back on you and say, well, that's not really any of your business to know his financial situation?
	That when you're in a family and you're a couple, you're one.
	And so if you don't want to be one, now if my husband came to me and said, I want to know, I would feel very uncomfortable about it.
	And I would tell him because I love him and we've been together for 10 years.
	And I would admit where it was, but I've never, he's never said that to me.
	He's never been worried about that.
	But and can you just restate?
	So you said that it would indicate that he restate what your position was about body count.
	It would show that they don't love you.
	I forgot exactly.
	I would think it's rude.
	Like if you love the person, you love them for where they're at right now, regardless of their past.
	Okay.
	So why would he care right now?
	Maybe he's just curious and just like, I just want to know.
	Yeah.
	And I would hate to have to say that because to me it's embarrassing and I don't like that at all.
	Well, I wonder in a scenario where you were dating somebody and what was the engagement question here?
	It was if you were engaged and they made $200,000 for a joint check-in account.
	And you're engaged.
	How is that relevant to the other question?
	Well, it's relevant in that if you were engaged to a woman and she didn't want to reveal her body count because her body count could reveal a certain number that you would not be comfortable following through with the engagement.
	I think it's totally relevant.
	Well, I think I don't agree with you on that because, first of all, once you're already engaged, you kind of love each other in a way, right?
	And then the money issue: everybody has different family situations, and woman and a man sometimes have different roles.
	And if a man has specific things they're asking of a woman, then I'm just saying that it's not like that.
	Okay, so here's the scenario: you're engaged to a woman, but then you find out, like a month before the marriage, that she has a body count of 50.
	I think that would be perfectly acceptable pretext if the man had an issue with it to call off the engagement.
	Yeah, and I think everybody together, how do they two years?
	Let's just say two years ago.
	Let me say something.
	I think you have a choice.
	You either decide past is in the past and then you move forward, and then that would have no relevance into the relationship for the future issues.
	You can't like fault someone for that if you choose to decide that past is in the past, and then you accept person for what they are now because people can grow and change and whatever.
	But it's up to you.
	You can make a choice or you can decide not to.
	So I think people have free will to decide that.
	Plus, like your financial state when you're engaged, that has room to change.
	It can fluctuate.
	You can lose your job and have no money now.
	When you were originally engaged or married, you were making six figures or plus or 200K, whatever the case may be.
	But your body count is never going to change unless you cheat, which hopefully you don't do that in a marriage or an engagement.
	I mean, it's good context to know your partner's history just so that you know who you're with.
	But I don't think in any way you should let that deter you if you think that if as long as they're not like a cheater.
	Like, I think that's more of, to me, I would rather know: has this man or woman or person cheated on their spouse more so than I would be concerned about what they did when they were single?
	If you're single and you're having sex with as many people as you want to have sex with, consenting adults, that's totally reasonable and fine.
	If you're a cheater in your past relationships, that's more of a red flag to me than if you were single and slept with a girl at the bar.
	And by the way, my second husband made a third of what my first husband made.
	And he's doubled his income since we've been together.
	Exactly.
	That's always got to be.
	It's the same with my stepdad.
	My stepdad broke his neck in Hollywood and then moved up, and then now he's like a successful painter with my mom.
	So it all just depends.
	Point being that I love my husband for my husband.
	It was never about anything else.
	Okay, so what was your original comment that you made?
	About.
	You said if my husband came to me and asked me.
	I would tell him I'd be embarrassed and ashamed and I would actually apologize because I feel terrible about it.
	It was a very dark time in my life.
	But he's never asked me.
	But you said it would be what?
	Well, I think, I don't know.
	I just think asking people their body count is just not polite.
	It's just in general not polite.
	Okay.
	But if he at any point in the relationship?
	I mean, well, if that matters to you, it should come out at the very beginning.
	If that is what's important to you, then what if it doesn't, though?
	Well, then it's not that important.
	Well, maybe, maybe, though, you have a, it doesn't occur to you to ask because perhaps you've made some assumptions because the woman's been carrying herself in a way that would maybe indicate that she doesn't have a high body count, but maybe she does.
	I think he already has a clue because he signed into my email account and all my contacts downloaded into his phone and he looked at him and saw.
	Wait, wait, wait.
	I'm talking in generalities here.
	I'm not talking about your specific situation.
	Yeah, in general, I think if that is important to you, then you better ask that at the get-go.
	So it would not be rude to ask it on the first date then?
	No.
	Okay.
	If that's what's important to you, because then you know who you're about to be with.
	Okay.
	On both sides.
	Because I've heard women say the exact opposite.
	They say that it would be kind of weird and rude to ask that on the first date.
	It would be.
	Well, it would be weird and rude, but if that's important to the guy, then he better get it out in the open right away so that we can just either get out of here and be done with it or let's work through this.
	It's all about transparency.
	Yeah.
	And then so, but it would be rude later down the road in the relationship.
	Yeah, once you start building a relationship, well, and like I said, you need to get it out there.
	Like when I was dating, I dated divorced guys.
	I would flat out ask them on the first date, what is your part in your divorce?
	What is your what in the divorce?
	Your part line off.
	And my daughters are like, you didn't, you were not that blunt.
	I said, oh, yes, I was, because if they can't handle that, they're not going to handle anything else about me.
	Also, I think in reality, if you're really in love with somebody, you will work through all these.
	Right.
	I don't think it's reality saying, oh, I'm engaged to this person because I love them.
	And then all of a sudden, this one new thing comes out.
	I think it's not realistic that people are just going to call it off so fast.
	You know?
	I would have no objections if it was even the wedding day.
	If it was even the wedding day, the man found out that she had a massive body count.
	What's a massive body count?
	Just curiosity.
	I mean, it depends on age.
	It depends on the individual, but I think once you start getting, I think a lot of men would say over 10 is getting into high body count territory range.
	I would agree with that.
	Over 10.
	I would agree.
	Over 20, I think there's without a doubt that would most people, I'd say the vast majority of men would agree.
	Over 20 certainly would be high body count.
	I would agree with that.
	But your answer, I guess, we were going around on, would you object to a man caring about a woman's body count to the point that he would date or not date her because of it?
	No, I wouldn't object to that.
	Wouldn't object?
	No.
	No.
	No objections.
	Okay.
	Well, for those of you who said that body count doesn't matter, or you do perhaps object to a man caring about it, we'll just go around.
	What's everybody's body count?
	We heard from Elle.
	You said it was around 150 to 200.
	Yeah, around 100 to 150.
	Okay, we'll start with you, then go around this way.
	Go ahead.
	I couldn't tell you, probably 100 versus 500.
	Please, into the mic.
	Probably like, I'd say 100.
	Okay.
	Their own meatball donated $200.
	Brian is writing every way here.
	Yo, thank you, bro.
	Dude, I haven't seen you in a while, son.
	He's a brave and a decent man.
	He's a pioneer.
	Yo, Mr. Meatball, good to see you in the chat, man.
	Thank you so much.
	Appreciate it, bro.
	Thank you, thank you.
	Mr. Meatball, what kind of meatballs?
	Turkey meatballs?
	What kind?
	Okay.
	All right.
	Thank you, man.
	Appreciate it.
	In the hundreds, okay.
	What about you?
	Less than five.
	Okay.
	So I've commented since the last time and it's nine.
	Okay.
	Well, you answered right?
	Yeah.
	150 to 200.
	100 to 150.
	Okay.
	Not that that extra 50 really matters.
	I mean, we're already in the hole.
	Sure.
	All right.
	What about you?
	Less than five.
	Okay.
	Well, you, in your pre-show notes, I think you provided it.
	You said you were previously a sex addict with a bot.
	You did provide it in the notes.
	I think.
	You want me to say it?
	I can say it.
	I'll say it.
	I can say it.
	You could say it to them.
	I just wouldn't.
	He's a brain.
	Whoops, sorry.
	That was my bad.
	I really don't want it out there, but.
	But, okay, you.
	It's fine.
	Brian, I don't care.
	This is kind of.
	This was pre-show.
	You provided this in the pre-show.
	It's kind of my maya copa, anyways, to kind of just stop being ashamed of what I did and kind of letting it go.
	Well, I'll let you say it.
	So I'll let you say it, though.
	It's over 50.
	Okay.
	That's fine.
	Cool.
	And you did say you were previously a sex addict, correct?
	Okay.
	All right.
	What about you?
	One.
	One?
	Okay.
	Less than five.
	All right, less than five.
	Cool.
	All right.
	Less than five.
	Cool.
	We did parents meet, right?
	We got everyone's on that.
	Okay, parents meet.
	Let me mark that out.
	Guys, go to twitch.tv slash whatever.
	Drops a follow, drops a prime sub if you have one.
	Twitch.tv slash whatever drops a follow.
	And a prime sub if you have one, guys.
	It's been I can't see it, but it's been a while since 23 minutes since we had a prime.
	I think it's bugged, boys.
	Can you guys just test it out?
	See if I think it's bugged on Twitch.
	I don't know.
	The prime subs aren't working.
	I'm getting reports that it's just bugged.
	So drops a prime sub.
	We're going to be doing a Twitch stream tomorrow.
	So be sure, Twitch exclusive stream tomorrow.
	Be sure to check that out.
	Okay.
	I'm going to get into my pre-show notes here now.
	Actually, no, let's do some reacts, Nick.
	What's the first thing we have to react to?
	Let's do that airport screaming one.
	Oh, I'm going to see.
	We should have seen this.
	We should have done what's it called?
	We should have done it last show, but it's whatever.
	All right.
	This has gone viral the past few days.
	I've seen this.
	Hold on.
	They're on meatball donated $200.
	Green is rough.
	Who's green?
	Oh.
	Do you want to respond?
	What does rough?
	They're barking at you.
	Just take it like that.
	Just take it as he's barking at you like a dog.
	All right.
	All right.
	Because he probably is.
	Because she looks good.
	Thank you, Mr. Meepal.
	Appreciate it.
	Oh, yeah.
	She looks like Drew Barrymore, so shut the fuck up.
	Your mom likes it, rough.
	Say that.
	Boom, roasted.
	Pow, roasted.
	Mr. Meepal, you got roasted.
	Are you going to take this disrespect?
	Oh, no.
	Are you going to stand for this disrespect?
	He sounds on the other side.
	I'm already set up, but he's about to donate another $200 just to roast us back.
	You're welcome.
	What are you drinking, if you mind me asking?
	What is that?
	Green tea.
	It's EverClear?
	After the break.
	Ever clear and honey.
	Ever clear honey and a sprinkle of lemon.
	All right.
	At least you're honest.
	Go ahead, Nick.
	Yeah.
	Oh, God.
	I don't see it.
	Oh, yeah.
	What is this?
	Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on.
	Whatever you like.
	This is below the threshold, but I don't like messages coming up while we're doing videos.
	Keep up the good work.
	Perfect posture emporium.
	Send me one of everything.
	That sounds fair.
	Send me one of everything.
	I don't try it all.
	Yeah, okay.
	Go ahead.
	Start from the beginning.
	Here it is.
	Hmm?
	It's funny!
	It's funny!
	I thank you!
	Is the audio maxed?
	Bro, girl, weird show!
	Like it's not fing funny!
	She looks like my.
	You are watching me the f wind up when I fing got sick!
	You f!
	Bro, those beeps are way louder.
	You know that wasn't the first time that's happened also Based off of his mother's side, no way.
	Absolutely.
	He's a little bit of a damned person.
	Wait, who said something about the exorcism?
	What did you say?
	Oh, I just said she sounds like she needs an exorcism.
	Oh, my God.
	She needs an exorcism.
	Yeah, she needs to.
	The emphasis on the loser was crazy.
	And that is a broken man from there.
	Yeah, so he chose to be with that.
	He chose to be with her.
	It's his fault in a way.
	Well, yeah, you know, like women who get beat, they choose to be with the abuser.
	They choose to stay.
	But sometimes I agree to your point.
	Sometimes a woman feels too weak to leave because the abuser made her feel that way.
	Yeah, when a man's being abused, it's the man's fault.
	And when the woman's being abused, it's also a good thing.
	No, Did not say it like that.
	If anyone's being abused, it's not their fault.
	Unless they stay and they keep having it repeatedly happen to them, then they should know to get out of that situation.
	Okay, sometimes if a woman...
	Okay, that situation, I'll react to that first.
	Obviously, the girl is not right to do that, right?
	No one's right to do that.
	No, nobody should ever do that, period.
	But we don't know the context.
	We also don't know their history.
	I can say that he's kind of used to seeing that.
	Now, maybe he loves her enough that he thinks he can fix her in a way.
	Then maybe he chooses to be with that, that she provides something else for him.
	Why isn't there just an immediate disavowing of her dog shit behavior?
	She doesn't know.
	Let me finish my point.
	Let me finish my point.
	Your immediate jump was to how can we shift some of the blame onto the man instead of just an immediate disavowment of she's an abusive person.
	He should leave her.
	Like, here's how she's going to be.
	Oh, that's a given.
	That's a given.
	That's a given.
	Okay.
	I do have that reason.
	I'm not sure if we would jump to, you would make those same if it was a man abusing a woman, if you would jump to immediately just saying, here's how the man's kind of fucking up.
	I agree with that.
	I think sometimes a woman and a man, right, if it's a relationship where the woman, I mean, most cases could be a bit weaker than a man.
	I mean, it depends on the context.
	They're having a verbal.
	I don't think a woman should ever speak to a man like that.
	I don't think I should ever speak to a woman like that.
	I don't think you should ever put yourself in that kind of position where you're being verbally abused like that.
	You should never put yourself in a business.
	Yeah, so he has a choice to just completely not be with her.
	It's also, she's doing that to him.
	Yeah.
	He's sitting in the middle of the moment.
	But he can just be like, she's screaming at him in the middle of an airport.
	You can tell by his demeanor in the video that this is not like a first-time thing.
	This has happened often.
	Just because of his lack of a reaction is a reaction in itself.
	And seeing how he is just completely numb to the way that she's screaming and in full terror mode just kind of shows that this is probably something that happened.
	He looks like he's dissociated.
	Mr. Bullet donated $200.
	Green, if your high-quality husband knew your body count early on, would he still be with you today?
	If so, why am it your past sins from someone you respect and love?
	It never came up.
	I didn't, it just never came up.
	And like I said, I think he had an idea, but I do not think he would have broken up with me if he had known early on.
	All right, AXO Bullet.
	Thank you for the TTS.
	What I do find interesting about this clip is that I'm pretty sure if it was the reverse, if it was a dude freaking out on a woman like that, like the actual people in that clip in the airport, hearing it in earshot, there would be men and women trying to intervene on behalf of that woman, but like there's nobody.
	And she's even attacking other people and stuff.
	Yeah, didn't somebody try to intervene and that's why she like looked back towards the camera and said like you're a bitch too.
	But imagine if it was a man screaming at a woman.
	You know that there'd be other women there screaming at the man saying, don't do this, get away from her.
	They'd be like defending her.
	I feel like there'd be men too.
	There'd be a lot of people.
	Yeah, there'd be men.
	Since it's a man being screamed at because men are supposed to be more masculine, stronger than women, which I need to pay itself.
	Which is not okay.
	It's not okay, but it's just the reality will live in.
	Like, what's the word?
	You guys are making it normal.
	That's not a problem.
	No, I'm not making it.
	No, not at all.
	Not at all.
	I'm just saying.
	No.
	I totally agree.
	And that is the grave as a king.
	I'm just saying we should look into the context of things.
	I never see things black and white.
	Well, yeah, because they're not.
	There's all this nuance.
	So, of course, it's going to be a reality that if a man screams at a woman, everybody probably is going to defend just because the reality we live in, women are sometimes perceived weaker in a relationship as men.
	But I'm not saying I'm not condoning it.
	I'm just saying it's reality.
	But it's all about a power imbalance.
	And obviously, in that situation, like the man looked like he was dissociating.
	I think that's what I was saying.
	I mean, let's say the woman was disassociating.
	Yeah, which is not okay.
	Like, neither of those situations are okay.
	What is the power imbalance?
	Well, it's like the abuser versus the abused.
	Like, the abused usually feels trapped and like kind of weaker, regardless of gender.
	It can be from both sides, exactly.
	But my question would be: why does he feel like he has to take that?
	Why does he put himself in this situation?
	Because when people are trapped, they are just trapped because it's the same with women.
	No, I agree with you.
	But it's not about the whole point of asking someone who's staying in an abusive relationship, why are you staying?
	Like, that's overall a ridiculous question because they are trapped sometimes.
	But it's not everybody.
	Yeah.
	Is that all true?
	You know, it's just, I feel, I've never been in this kind of situation.
	Exactly.
	That's why I'm allowed to have my own opinion.
	Yeah, no, you are.
	Because I feel like from what I've heard from some of my friends, they're trapped because they feel trapped because they feel like they don't deserve more than what they're getting.
	You don't deserve to be screamed at.
	You don't deserve to be abused.
	You don't deserve to be any of that.
	You deserve to have someone who loves you and who wants to treat you like that.
	In abusive relationships, what happens is the person is broken down to a point that they believe this is what they deserve.
	This is the only person who's going to love them.
	And they throw that down that they can't.
	And unfortunately, our societal norm has become that men don't want to fight back.
	Like, I watched a video of a guy in an Uber.
	He was being choked by a woman from behind.
	And instead of fighting back, he holds his hands up and is like, I'm not going to touch her.
	I'm not going to touch her.
	He's afraid.
	Because he's like, if I touch her, I'm going to go to jail.
	And that's not okay.
	It's not.
	That's not okay.
	And we as a society have now put that on men that they can't fight back.
	And they should absolutely 100% be able to fight back.
	They should defend themselves.
	Defend themselves.
	And there's a way to defend yourself without like bullface ass just punching a woman in the face.
	There's a way to defend yourself in the means of if somebody's choking you, you have every right and then some to restrict them from being able to do so, whether that mean physically pulling them off of you or physically putting their hands behind their back, restraining them in some type of way.
	But when it comes to abuse in general, there's a thing called beat and wife syndrome.
	This is a real thing.
	And it's like how she was saying.
	There's like a, you know, people are, you're in a relationship where you're not only being controlled, but you're also being diminished.
	And your feelings and everything like that, it's usually from a narcissistic personality that has those types of abusive natures.
	And as somebody that has been in an abusive relationship in the past, multiple different kinds, actually, I was in a very dark place and I was allowing people to treat me at a lower standard than what I would normally do.
	And those things, like, they purposefully make you feel as if you're singled out.
	He also sees the pagan donated $200.
	Everything Red said next to Brain explaining the guy's motives in the video for allowing the abuse.
	If you would have switched out her words with woman, you would have been cancelled.
	You reverse bigot.
	I agree.
	That's true.
	I think he's talking to you.
	I know, I know.
	I agree with him.
	I think people are misunderstanding.
	Thank you, the pagan.
	Appreciate it.
	All right.
	I am going to actually move on to the next thing.
	So, Nick, can you pull what's the next thing?
	There's a Twitter, there's a Twitter thing that's...
	The first one and the second one.
	The first one's your tweet, and the other's the one.
	The second one, not my tweet.
	Video.
	Some girl talking about Hinge or something.
	Amber, how did I get this clip of you?
	Okay, go ahead.
	I'm just kidding.
	I just got this notification on Hinge.
	Apparently, now they have set a limit for you to send more likes.
	Not that I send fucking likes.
	Apparently, now when eight or more people are waiting for you to reply, you are not allowed to fucking send likes.
	And when you click the little info button, this is what it tells you.
	Wow, this is they just keep making the user experience even fucking worse.
	But no, it'll help you because then you won't be burnt out.
	Shut up.
	This app is already a fucking hellscape.
	I literally got back on because I was fucking bored and it's like Hawk Girl Summer, but this sucks.
	Like, oh my god, it's so bad out here, guys.
	Okay, so this is a woman complaining that she can't match with more men because I guess apparently I'm not on dating apps, I'm not on Hinge, but apparently it used to be you could just like match with people kind of indefinitely, sort of.
	It still is.
	It still is.
	There's not like a, they haven't limited it.
	So now like what?
	I think you also have premium.
	I think you also have like a, you put money towards it.
	So you might, that might be why yours is different from a regular account.
	Yeah, if you just have the free account, I think maybe it limits if you're like buying boosts and stuff like that, which I know you do, then it's probably different for just a regular user that doesn't buy boosts or anything like that.
	Right.
	Which I don't understand why she's even getting mad about.
	Like, if you don't want to talk to those eight guys, just unlock them.
	Not with them, like, delete it and match with me.
	She wants more options.
	She needs a thousand guys.
	She wants to talk to you.
	Then you better throw that $13.99 at Hinge.
	You better throw that $13.99 at Hinge and get yourself some roses.
	What are we doing here?
	Brokey.
	She's a total brokey, right?
	Just if you want to be.
	If you want to go off the deep end, then Troy, you better start swimming.
	Like, what are we doing?
	You pointed out that she said she was bored, too.
	Yeah.
	It's not even clear if she's trying to date.
	That's kind of like a lot of women's thing now.
	It's like, oh, I'm bored.
	I just want to talk to men or I'm bored.
	I don't know.
	I feel like I'm not.
	I just want attention.
	Just want attention and validation.
	All right.
	Especially a lot of women in the Gen Z area and stuff.
	I feel like, I don't know.
	Well, everyone's so depressed in Gen Z area.
	Okay, well, I'm not inclined to derail the conversation and have a conversation about depression.
	No, not what I meant at all.
	I meant like they're bored.
	Like everything just kind of feels like TikTok wants more entertainment.
	And yeah, and the TikTok brain, like.
	If you want more entertainment, go pick up the hobby.
	Go pick up a call.
	Oh, I've been at Netflix.
	I do.
	Love Island guys.
	Oh, yeah.
	That name.
	It gets heard about so fast.
	So, I guess my question is: she did mention she was bored.
	Has anybody here ever been on a dating app just because you're bored?
	Without any actual intention to.
	Me and Amber call it hinging it out.
	Yeah, I'm a hinge fluencer.
	Well, when I was single, but yeah.
	What do you mean you're a hinge?
	Influencer.
	You know what?
	Maybe we should get.
	Do you have a do you have prompts on your hinge?
	I don't think so.
	I think I just put it in.
	Don't you have the recording of me giving you like aw, damn.
	Damn, that would be fun.
	Do you know what your prompts say?
	Yeah, looking for sweethearts and honesty.
	I think that's all I put on there.
	That's it.
	Because I think it lasts three.
	Because that for me usually attracts like the good type of guys for me.
	She's too far from the mic again.
	Okay.
	So just you'll have you have two separate prompts.
	One of them says looking for sweethearts, looking for honesty?
	Yeah, I think that's all I have on there.
	Okay.
	How many matches would you say you get per day?
	I don't know, like 20, 30 maybe daily.
	How many people are you talking to on there?
	Consistently, I don't really talk to anyone.
	It's like whoever reaches out to me, if they want to come out to talk to me.
	I don't really go out of my way to reach out to someone, but if they come to me, I'm sure I'll.
	I think she's a very kind folk.
	Oh, thank you.
	Thank you.
	I also think that a lot of the time, like, you aren't really talking on the hinge platform itself.
	Like, you're moving to Snapchat or numbers or Instagram DMs or whatever.
	Mostly Snapchat, so you can see if they're a catfish or not.
	True.
	Those are live photos.
	Those are live.
	Sometimes they are.
	Sometimes you can remix the photo.
	You can green screen it, but green screen is crazy.
	All right.
	So I have a question here.
	So have you guys ever seen, and I've, this seems to be like a, I don't know if it's a complaint I hear, but do you frequently see like beautiful women with mid men?
	Yeah.
	Yes.
	Just here.
	Hold on.
	Let's go around the table.
	Oh, yeah, for sure.
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	Yes.
	Yes.
	Yep.
	Yep.
	Yes.
	More so than the reverse?
	Yes.
	More so than the reverse.
	Do you ever question why is she with that guy?
	No.
	I mean, you might be like, oh, like she's beautiful.
	Like, she probably.
	Personality.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	I think that with, and this is like kind of a controversial statement, but I feel like a lot of people are going to agree with it.
	When a man meets a woman, I think within the first like five minutes of talking to them, intro-wise, they probably have already made up in their mind what category this woman is going to go into, whether it's someone that they view sexually romantically or otherwise, like in that way, or if they see them as more like a friend or someone that they're not interested in a sexual way.
	So whereas a woman is very different in that sense, I might have met someone and seen them and been like, not really my type of guy or person to date or be sexual with, but then their personality and how they make me feel when I'm around them, that sort of thing can really change whether or not they fall back into like the having sex category.
	You know what I mean?
	Right.
	I feel like that category doesn't really change too much for in a mid approach.
	I'm clear everybody here has seen this phenomenon of multiple times.
	Beautiful girls in terms of their looks, with mid-guys in terms of their looks.
	Which actually brings me back to the point that I've made.
	Women just put more effort into what they look like, so there's just more beautiful women out there.
	I was actually thinking about this earlier today.
	Could it just be that the things that make somebody attractive, just genetically speaking, women are more likely to have those things?
	For example, I was thinking, and this is just one example of like many different ways this could manifest itself, but somebody who has like a sort of weak facial structure.
	So like you'll see beautiful women who have like very pronounced jaws, but also women who have more like rounded, weaker jawlines, but still, they're still deemed physically attractive.
	Whereas it occurred to me that there will be more men who have weaker faces and just on that metric alone will be deemed unattractive.
	And I thought about that and I was like, could there actually just be almost like a biological, a biological genetic component that what is deemed more attractive, that range is actually bigger for women than men.
	is for men.
	Because women can have very sharp features and still be beautiful, but they can also have more rounded, softer features and still be beautiful.
	It's not clear to me if men who have like weak jawlines, they tend to be overlooked in terms of being deemed physically attractive.
	I wanted to comment on this because I like to paint, so I kind of look at faces a lot.
	And I noticed that actually men are more likely to appear attractive to a woman, even if they're not like physically attractive by standard.
	Because a man, and he can be much older also, and can still be very attractive to a woman, just how he acts, how he presents himself, his confidence.
	A girl has much, if she's not traditionally attractive, she has lesser chance to appear attractive to a man.
	Yeah, exactly how I kind of just said, like with my first response.
	But I think what he's saying is more just focused just solely on the facial structure and like the way that you look.
	Nothing to do with like your personality is what he was trying to explain, I think, right, Brian?
	You're trying to explain like that from the neck up, a man having a different like jaw structure and bone structure in their face varies more than a woman.
	Yeah, so just so to add on to that, I think the like in terms of like facial facial symmetry and then also I would say facial like jaw structure.
	I actually think in terms of what is deemed physically attractive for men, it's much more narrow for women, whereas women, what can be deemed physically attractive is much wider.
	Yeah, I mean I've already argued.
	Do you mean women?
	Do you mean like men like in our eyes or like in general?
	Sorry, I missed that part.
	In general, right?
	By women, by society.
	But for example, do you think Adrian Brody is attractive?
	I have no idea who that is.
	The guy that played the pianist, right?
	Well, he has...
	Okay, what...
	He's not traditionally attractive, but his features, if you pick at them, they're not traditionally attractive.
	The facial harmony is not a problem.
	Overall, the facial harmony is attractive.
	May I weigh in?
	So I would like to actually answer your question, Brian, and like, you are actually correct, but also throughout history, like if you look at the paintings and look at how specifically, because he mentioned, like, and as an artist myself, like, I love to look at all the history in the art specifically, and men would present themselves in a specific way.
	And there were literal societal things that were told that a man is beautiful or handsome, and that a woman is beautiful or handsome.
	And sometimes it was the weaker jawline and like a slimmer body and like a completely like feminine look.
	And sometimes it was like a bodybuilder type.
	So it's like it's literally just depends on what era you're in.
	At this particular moment, just because of the internet and the variety of everything, there are specific aspects that come on the media that present men to be more attractive.
	So, that's just, I feel like, as a society, we're all conditioned to believe what is attractive from the beginning and what society deems attractive.
	Also, it's varied by country if you go to South Syria.
	Exactly.
	Skin type and stuff like that, 100%.
	But I do think that women a little bit have more of a slight upper hand because of the fact that women, if we're taking down from just the face and we're going with body too, then that can determine whether a man is attracted to a woman far faster than, like, because obviously, when you meet someone in person, you're not just seeing their neck up, you're seeing the entire body.
	And a woman can have, you know, a traditionally not society pretty face structure, right?
	I hate to say that because I think every woman is beautiful in their own unique way, but I'm just saying, in society's terms, not the prettiest face, but she's got like a super snatched waist, fat ass, and great tits, then immediately a guy's gonna be like, well, well, I can turn her around and still, she still gets laid all the time.
	You know, I'm saying, like, your bottle, a woman's body is also just something that, like, you're that's a that's a huge variable.
	Like, whether your face is face card or not worthy, like, you can still get, you can still have other astributes that make a man want to sleep with you and deem you attractive.
	I would even add to my argument.
	Same with a guy, though.
	Moving on just beyond face, I'd make the same argument for body too.
	The acceptable range of what can be deemed physically attractive when it comes to your body, I think it's far wider for women than it is for men.
	Women can be thick, they can be thin, they can be skinny, they can be fit.
	Whereas it's not clear to me if there's like a corresponding, like, this is hot, this is my body.
	Dad bod.
	Some girls really enjoy a good dad bod.
	Dad bod thing is total cope.
	It's not, though.
	It's not, though.
	It's really not.
	And then some people.
	Dad bod, it's absolute cope.
	And then some people really like like the scrawny type of like tall, lanky type of look.
	Yeah, tall, skinny boys.
	Or there's like the chiseled, buff-like looking guy, which obviously like in magazines and society deems like the abs and the chiseledness to be the most attractive.
	I know a good majority of the girls at this table would probably prefer a tall, lanky, scrawny guy, or even a guy with a little bit more of like a dad bod type of thing, which doesn't mean that he's like fat or unfit in any way.
	It just means that he's more of like a bulkier type of man.
	And but yet society deems having like eight pack abs is like what's the most sexy.
	Anyone can like go to the gym also.
	Like think about that.
	Like if you have like if you're like again, like a guy can have a dad bod, a girl can like be bigger, whatever, whatever your body status is.
	If you want to work on it, it doesn't really matter, in my opinion, what you look like as long as you're working on yourself like consistently and like you want to get better and you want to be the best version of yourself.
	And that's where a man has a little bit more of an advantage when it comes to like going to the gym and on that fitness journey.
	That is actually true.
	Men have an advantage.
	Yes.
	Well, they're genetically stronger overall than a woman is.
	Yeah, men don't value strength physically.
	I've heard you make that argument before about like men being genetically stronger.
	And also they because it's a true, it's a true thing.
	I'm not disagreeing with that.
	So I'm actually using your argument as like women sometimes.
	Men really like.
	I can't work out and make my boobs to a D-cup.
	I can't work out and make my boobs bigger.
	I can work out and grow my glutes.
	I can grow my glutes.
	You can work your ass too.
	Most men care more about ass than they do about boobs, but that's also just a preference.
	So what is the, I mean, what I guess is the point?
	Because yeah, men could put on muscle more, but women care more about muscle on men than do men care about muscle on women.
	Well, I got called a muffin top in the first 10 minutes, so I guarantee you that's not true.
	I'm just saying, like, men do point out that characteristic.
	You could never lift a weight in your entire life and still be thin.
	Yeah, exactly.
	That's what I'm saying.
	Yeah, but you made a comment about that.
	But men are more genetically prone to gain muscle faster than a woman.
	I think she's just saying men can go to the gym and gain muscle faster than women can.
	What does that have to do with that?
	Not just muscle, just being fit.
	Like being thin.
	Women have like hormonal issues.
	My whole point was even dad bought if you're skinny, you can go to the gym or you can work on yourself.
	Yeah.
	Or even being like on like on hormonal pills and stuff like that, like that affects a woman's or even their average or whatever.
	Yeah.
	It's just women have more factors working against them when it comes to going to the gym and being fit faster than a man can get fit.
	That's all I'm saying.
	I'm not saying that a woman can't go.
	I agree with you here.
	Okay, go for it.
	All right, so I would actually argue that in terms of the how do I want to frame this, in terms of aspirational body types, the aspirational body type, like you hear beauty standards, depictions of beauty in media, the aspirational body type for a woman is far more easily achieved than the aspirational body type and depictions that you see in media than it is for men.
	I can prove this if we look specifically at superhero movies.
	The physique of the lead female superheroes in superhero movies is achievable by a much larger margin of women than men who are trying to look like Hugh Jackman or men who can who have the, or in terms of capability, who can look like Hugh Jackman or look like Thor, I forgot the name of the actor, look like Ryan Reynolds, etc.
	Crimson doesn't care about making muscle.
	Right, but it doesn't, well, actually, as long as you're fit, then like, okay.
	Right, but if we're talking about aspirational body types.
	I have a rebuttal for your argument because it is valid.
	It is more, it is more easily obtained for the quote-unquote woman's physique to be obtained, yes, because it's a lot harder to get like an eight-pack chiseled abs and perfect biceps than it is to get to grow your glutes in the gym.
	Yes, but I'm not arguing with you there.
	I'm just arguing the fact that is it going to take longer for a woman to get that physique than a man if they were to go to the gym on the same regimen?
	Yes.
	No, it's not going to take longer for a woman to get the same physique because there's two differentials here.
	So I'll grant you, I'll grant you this.
	So for both men and women to have an idealistic physique, they need to have a low body fat percentage.
	It's not clear to me if women need to then go and spend years in the gym to develop muscularity the same way that men do.
	So as a woman, you can actually have a fairly ideal body type just through diet.
	It's not clear to me if men can have a fairly ideal body type without doing any sort of training that would develop muscle.
	Yeah, I agree with you.
	Because women typically aren't supposed to be more like the mask, more like with like the look, or like the bigger biceps, the bigger backs.
	Yeah, men don't really.
	It's good if a woman's fit, but I mean, in terms of her being like bodybuilder physique, no, men don't.
	That don't care.
	So if you have the body type of, I don't want to, I'll just use myself because I'm wondering.
	You can do me.
	No, I wasn't going to say anything negative about anyone's body.
	Just gonna say, like, if you're very, like, stick thin and you're just born, you know, a little bit more flat up here and flat down there.
	Um, she's like, I know you're body easy.
	I was, but I didn't want to.
	You looked at me, I said.
	Yeah, I was just looking around to see, like, the boobs.
	No, um, but I'm just saying, like, that's something that, like, genetically, unless you put on a bunch of weight, which is not just gonna go in one spot, then it's gonna go other places.
	That's all I'm trying to say: is that, like, and just hormonally, like, a woman is going to be like, if you're in your, if you're in your 40s or 50s, it's going to be a lot harder for you to gain muscle, let alone lose weight in general, even if you diet and do all the exercises.
	It's going to be harder for you because you have menopausal hormones working against you.
	And if you are younger, then you have those to your advantage as a female and a male.
	So I'm just saying, like, physiologically, it's easier for a man to build muscle.
	I'm not saying that it's not impossible, that it's impossible or that the woman's body type isn't easier to obtain.
	I'm just saying that.
	So, hold on.
	So, yes, it is easier for men to build muscle, but that's all I wanted.
	Right, but you have to remember that men don't care if you're muscular or not.
	That's not true for everyone.
	Like, a man might look at my body type and like or vice versa.
	You know what I mean?
	I'm still failing what that has to do with muscularity because okay.
	I think she's talking about being thin.
	Yeah, right.
	You don't need to have muscle as a woman to have a low body fat percentage.
	But it's harder to actually keep the lower, the lower body fat period.
	That's harder for anyone.
	Yeah, for me.
	She's like, for everyone, but it is harder for women.
	I mean, but it depends on what you're saying.
	$200 donated $200.
	Women care about height.
	Men can't work out to gain height.
	You just said a lot of women are okay with tall, lanky men.
	Women with any body type can get D enough set.
	Any body type.
	Yo, 200.
	Thank you for the 200.
	I don't disagree that I never once said like when we were having the disagreements about if a woman can sleep with men with more men in a day than average an average woman and average man.
	I never disagreed with that.
	So I agree with your end statement.
	And also like if the whole height thing, yes, that's true.
	A man cannot change his height.
	But you can also do things to accentuate your height, like wear platform shoes, put insoles in your shoes.
	And as just as just confident.
	I love a short king.
	I'm 5'2 ⁇ , so like anyone's taller than me, especially if you're a male, if you're eye to eye with me, that's really, really, really, really rare.
	So like if you're 5'5, you're still taller than me.
	And also, I personally have been known to date men that are 5'5 or 5'10 or 6'3.
	I don't care about that.
	I say short women should take the short men and the tall women should take the tall men because I mean I'm 5'8.
	Okay, okay, okay.
	Yeah, Amber's like 5'9, 5'10.
	So she towers over most of the men that she dates.
	It's never been an issue.
	Actually, you know what's interesting about that?
	Like if a woman is on the short side, she tends to have a stronger preference than like a six-foot guy.
	I know that's the problem.
	But then like 5'8, 5'9 of us are the only people around are 5'5.
	You can't find all the six foot guys are dating 4'11.
	4'11.
	That's the problem.
	Which I'm like, that's accurate.
	These tall girls gotta go to war with the short chicks.
	Just like short chicks usually win, to be honest.
	Because the guys like, oh, you're so petite.
	I can throw it.
	I usually like shorter women because they're like, oh, she's shorter.
	I can protect her more.
	I can be more of a man in that sense with her.
	But then with taller women, I feel like they're just like maybe intimidated.
	By the tall women, I don't think men are intimidated by a taller woman.
	I just think it's a general preference.
	Yeah, that's valid.
	That's valid for shorter women.
	In the same way that women have a general preference for taller men.
	I asked my fiancé before he said he would never date someone his own height.
	I've had men intimidated by my height for sure, and they've told me.
	I struggle.
	Because I am like 5'9, 5'10.
	And like, I've had guys like that.
	Like they said, I'm intimidated.
	Yeah, they wouldn't find them attractive.
	Just say that.
	I was told to not wear a heels just because I was like an inch taller than a guy.
	Nah, wear heels.
	I wear heels every single day.
	I wear heels.
	I will wear heels.
	From what I've learned, is Bri, be proud of your height for women.
	Like, I don't know.
	I feel like people don't preference that, but I feel like us tall women need to stand tall, wear your heels, show your confidence.
	And I also say no.
	I also found heels.
	Why?
	5'10.
	So I also found that.
	My cousin's six foot and she wore heels.
	I am.
	No, because then no one will talk to me if we go out.
	I've got to talk about that.
	No, but no, no, no.
	See, that's no, because then from there, you find the men that want to talk to you, that aren't intimidated, that are good in their masculinity, that they're like, I can handle this tall woman because I know she's a badass MF.
	And they want that.
	They're like, it's rare, but that's why, but that's why you only have one guy on your roster.
	That's why you don't have 10 or 15.
	But then how are you going to meet that one?
	I'm not eating sleeping with them all the time.
	I'm just going to be able to do it.
	Oh, well, okay.
	Let me explain something.
	I am 5'9.
	I've been in the business world.
	I've been in sales.
	I have found that when I wear heels, I am more respected than I was wearing flats because I was one of the tallest people in the room all the time.
	And they had to look at me in the eye instead of looking down on me.
	And they treated me better that way in the sales world, in the business world, rather than being short.
	Just saying, I guarantee it's a thing.
	I don't know.
	I'm too scared to do that.
	I feel like I already look down at boys for the most part.
	That's why you get sent.
	I want to ask the chat.
	Chat, are you intimidated by tall women?
	I've never been intimidated by a tall woman.
	I'm over here.
	In fact, I like, if I see a really tall chick, like 6'7, I'm like, I'm shooting my fucking shot.
	Yeah, it's a problem.
	D1 babies go crazy.
	D1, let's go.
	D1.
	But also, if I see a chick who's like 4'10, I'm also.
	But my husband's first wife was super short, and he loves being able to look at me in the eye.
	He loves it.
	Above 5'1, terrifying.
	I think it's tall women don't want to date shorter guys.
	No, because we're not intimidated.
	You just don't really want to date shorter dudes.
	Not shorter guys.
	Yeah, me too.
	I'm not 5'4.
	I'm 5'4, and I've been with shorter guys.
	Yeah, but what's your overall preference?
	I don't really have a preference.
	Okay, okay.
	I feel like taller because then they can be you.
	They're typically the more a man.
	They're more masculine.
	They can protect you more, I guess, in that sense.
	In the perceived sense.
	I feel like that's why women, I feel like that's why women like taller men in that I don't agree.
	Devon Jackson donated $200.
	I'm 5 feet 11 inches.
	I'm Tinderim 6 feet.
	And if she's under 5 feet 9 inches, I don't want her.
	I implore to all men to stop shortening their bloodline for these Chinese jumpers.
	I like this guy.
	I like this guy.
	He knows what he wants.
	The amount of DMs I've gotten from people saying, Brian, you're going to fuck your bloodline.
	I don't see that.
	How tall are you?
	I'm 6'1.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Valid.
	And keep the D1 babies.
	I know you're in the bus.
	What was the next thing we were going to pull up, Nick?
	We're talking about the photos, maybe, but like the makeup photos.
	No, the bottom key.
	Oh, we're going to move on.
	What's the next thing?
	The next thing would be the Leo stuff for the person that flaked today or something that sent all the stuff.
	All that shit.
	Order your tweet.
	Is that it?
	Or is there, oh, the bear.
	There's the bear too.
	Yeah, I thought you would just do that with your talk.
	We'll do.
	Okay, let's pull up that girl's notes.
	So pull that up.
	Oh, dang.
	She's fucking.
	And then after that, we'll get into the pre-show notes from everybody else.
	Zoom that in.
	Do you want to start at the top?
	We'll start at the top.
	Let's see.
	My friends got me to start keeping a kiss list with commentary.
	My mom got me a very nice notebook and got drunk and told me to write about all my European dicks in it and then was surprised when it became the travel dick notebook for real.
	Guy told me he was still in love with his ex.
	We had sex even though he was a virgin.
	And after he went, that's it.
	I've done that before.
	Wait, what?
	He was then really surprised.
	I wasn't expecting that to become a relationship.
	What?
	Really?
	He was then, wait.
	He was in love with his ex.
	We had sex, even though he was a virgin.
	Okay, so she took for his virginity.
	But he says, I've done that before.
	So was he not a virgin?
	So I think she's saying he lied about being a virgin.
	Yeah, she thought he was a virgin.
	No, I don't know.
	Wait, I'm confused.
	He was a virgin.
	He went, that's it.
	I've done that before.
	Or maybe he was just saying, like.
	Oh, so he came clean about him not being a virgin.
	I don't know if that's clear.
	I don't know if it's clear that he...
	Maybe, like...
	But why the that's it?
	That's it?
	I've done that.
	He was disappointed.
	Maybe he forgot.
	Oh, he's saying, like, oh, that's it.
	And then he was like, oh, okay, I think I know what she's trying to say.
	She's saying, like, after the sex, after he probably finished, he's saying, oh, that's it?
	Like, I've done that before.
	Like, I've came before.
	He thought it was going to be a different type of orgasm than it was.
	Yeah, that's how I'm persisting.
	Yeah, that could be it.
	Well, that's messed up.
	That's surprising.
	My ex asked me if I know anyone with smaller boobs than myself.
	Skunky Weed gave the Swedish man whiskey dick, and the solution was while naked and on top of me to hold the base and slap the shit out of the tip.
	And he went, cursed yoint.
	Oh my God.
	Okay, he.
	Oh, this next one is the one I wanted to talk about.
	He wouldn't kiss me after I gave him head because that's gross.
	So the next time I spit his cum into his mouth, there's not a problem after that.
	Yo, I actually.
	Fire.
	Bro.
	I actually think that's sexual assault.
	That's crazy.
	That's actually crazy.
	I actually think that's because of boundaries.
	He had a boundary of being uncomfortable, kissing after that.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Bro, I wanted to get her on the show so fucking bad because of that, but she pulled out because I was, oh my god, I would have.
	Oh, man.
	Okay.
	Unfortunate, though.
	Yeah.
	I do think she should probably go.
	I think that's like death penalty status, bro.
	That's actually crazy.
	If you've told a girl, I don't like kissing after head because that, and then not only like she spits the whole fucking load into his mouth.
	How could that not be?
	See, that was the other way around.
	Yeah, you're not sure.
	Yeah, I mean, you're not consenting to it.
	So yeah, it's not as good.
	Yeah, but it's the same as if the as when the guy comes inside without a condom or like takes off the condom on purpose.
	Yeah, the girl's like, oh, I don't want you to hit it wrong and come inside me.
	But then the guy takes the condom.
	Yeah, it's the same thing.
	Yeah, that's it.
	That's it.
	Yeah, that's 100% essay.
	That's just not okay.
	And that's just really gross.
	So she planned on being here?
	She planned on being here, and then...
	Why'd she pull out, if you mind me asking?
	Or if you can even say that?
	I'm not sure.
	I think she just got cold feet because I don't know.
	Probably.
	I mean, that's a lot of crazy stuff.
	Bro, that's one of the craziest things I've heard.
	Wow.
	That was.
	The silence is so.
	The silence is so loud.
	That's all that stuff.
	If you're watching, dude, and you know that, come.
	You can talk to me, bro.
	If that was the guy, imagine he comes on the pause.
	Yeah, I'm telling the guy.
	That'd be crazy.
	Yeah, that's it.
	Wait, pull it back up, but then it was like, she said it wasn't an issue after that.
	Yeah, like he never didn't want to kiss her after hell.
	Oh, my God.
	Probably because he broke off.
	Dude, probably because he broke off.
	Oh, my God.
	Yeah.
	There are guys that do like to digest their own.
	I'm just saying.
	That's a true thing.
	Oh, my God.
	I know that's, I know that probably grosses a lot of you out.
	I don't kink shame, but that is a thing.
	I'm just saying.
	If you didn't know, now you know.
	No, if I remember, one of my friends had something like that.
	Yeah.
	That was like, he like ate his own.
	Ew, don't.
	Yeah.
	So, so you want to kiss a guy?
	Yeah, that one I got on my OO.
	No, no, but it's like you were like, ew, that's gross.
	But it's like, let's say, I mean, you can't if you like Matt's.
	I don't know if he's gonna think like it's gross to be.
	Yo, somebody find me that dude.
	Please, somebody find me.
	During this, that'd be so funny.
	Bro, I'll help you file a fucking police report.
	That's fucked up.
	Bro, that's crazy.
	Okay, hold on.
	I might get canceled for this.
	Hold on.
	Think about what you're going to say.
	Cover the mic.
	Okay, in a video game, in a video game, in a video game, if a girl did that and she knew your boundary, can you smack her across the face?
	In a video game?
	In a video game.
	In a video game, you can do anything.
	You can jump off of a.
	You can jump off of a.
	Obviously, I don't think like that's crazy.
	File a police report.
	Yeah, 100%.
	Just stop talking to her.
	Don't.
	I say don't.
	Personally, I'm not into something that's like, oh, like, I do this for revenge.
	Because, like, revenge is going to happen.
	Personally, I don't know.
	It's like, well, karma will come around to somebody that doesn't.
	Not even karma like it.
	No, but I wouldn't like revenge is different.
	I wouldn't be surprised if that were to happen.
	I mean, still, like, if the guy, like, because that's, like.
	Almost like a reflex type of instinct.
	It would be, it's almost if somebody spits on you, you might refract, reflexively just smack him in the face.
	Oh, yeah.
	Yeah.
	I would freak out.
	If somebody just nod, like, spit on me in the face?
	Just spit on me in the face.
	Yeah.
	Let alone.
	My instinct would be like a cum loogie on me.
	Yeah, straight into the fucking mouth.
	Bro.
	Give him that hawk, too.
	It's crazy.
	Yeah, if somebody spit on me, I'd probably smack him.
	Give him a good smack in the face.
	I'd just be like, if somebody spit on me.
	Get away from me.
	Yeah, get away from me.
	In the video game.
	In the video game only.
	Give him a good smack.
	Okay, all right.
	Pull it back up.
	I want to see the other degenerate, disgusting shit there was.
	No.
	Let's see.
	What else was there?
	Saved me from a junker eye.
	He spoke Norwegian and tried to tell me.
	Immediately pulled out Subway Surfer and was amazed.
	I knew.
	After we had, oh, sorry.
	Tell me it wasn't English.
	And I was just, after we had sex, he immediately pulled out Subway Surfer and was amazed.
	I knew what it was.
	Rinsing and repeat for TikTok too.
	Playing Never Have I Ever with My Mom, Cousin, and Aunt.
	Yikes.
	My mom got out first.
	Okay, growing up, my mom used to pretend to be sleeping with Captain of High Rate Patrol to get out of tickets.
	That's a great example to set for your child, okay?
	Insulin pump alerts kept stopping us, I assume, during sex.
	Ex asking me to call him daddy and me laughing in his fake mid-stroke.
	Got invited to a mansion by a 30-year-old named Krusty and went.
	Clearly, clearly a, I don't even know how to describe this.
	I mean, I mean, that's so much so much just random stuff.
	Just like cut you.
	I mean, they are definitely the craziest ones she probably has under her belt.
	So.
	No, it was a real.
	Somebody in the chat saying it was a troll.
	It was.
	No, that was a real, that was a real person.
	She also went.
	No, actually, I don't want to.
	Okay, never mind.
	Not in a video book.
	No, I was going to say she went to a certain university, but I'm not going to.
	Okay, anyways.
	Yeah.
	That would be disapproving of that sort of conduct.
	In any case, what was the next thing?
	Oh, we'll go around the table on the bear thing.
	Because you wanted to talk about the man or bear.
	We'll do that.
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	Thank you guys.
	Appreciate it.
	And then, so going around the table, would you rather come across a random man or a random bear in the woods?
	Starting with you.
	Go ahead.
	Random bear.
	I don't know.
	A random bear.
	Okay.
	The bear.
	Always the bear.
	I think the bear.
	Okay.
	My first instinct was a man.
	A man.
	The table's very divided.
	Man, bear.
	So why?
	Why?
	I don't know.
	The bear, you know, doesn't have any malicious intent.
	It's just a man.
	It's taxing.
	No, it could attack you, but like, it's not plotting against you.
	Why would a man be in the woods with you?
	Why?
	No, no, no.
	No, if I hear you correct, like a bear was just walking up.
	You're just taking a hike in the woods and you're walking and you see a bear come across you and like in the middle of your path.
	Or would you rather have a man in the middle of your path?
	That's a human being that you can talk to and be like, don't be in the context that the man like had followed us to the woods or whatever the fuck.
	Oh, why is it a game?
	Yeah, I was thinking in a malicious context too.
	Can you repeat specifically whether you encounter a random bear or a random man?
	Yeah, I'll say exactly what I said again.
	So would you rather come across a random man?
	So there's no implication of maliciousness there.
	He could be malicious or he could be a totally pleasant person or a random bear in the woods.
	Okay.
	And a man.
	Then I just changed that completely.
	Well, your first instinct was a bear because like the malicious instruction.
	My first instinct is a bear too.
	I'm just like, that's kind of interesting.
	Your first instinct.
	Wait, before I have you give your take, let's hear the whys on the bear.
	Yeah, yeah.
	No, I was just saying my mind also went to a malicious place because of what I heard women still be malicious.
	I understand that.
	And the worst a bear could do is kill you.
	Yeah, a man could do it.
	Right, right.
	Okay.
	Okay, so here's the scenario.
	A man could do worse than they kill you.
	Sure, okay.
	They could.
	Let me compile.
	Let me clarify things a little further.
	Okay.
	So previously when I asked the question, you assumed the man was malicious.
	Now you're assuming that he's not malicious.
	You don't know.
	He could be malicious.
	He could not.
	Knowing what you know about the general population of the U.S., of men in the U.S., if we snapped our finger, it snapped our finger, it picked a totally random man of the entire population of the U.S.
	And then a totally random bear.
	Okay.
	You don't know their intentions.
	Maybe the bear just ate.
	Maybe it's not hungry.
	Maybe it's starving.
	You don't know.
	You don't know.
	But it obviously sees you.
	Right.
	Yeah, you will.
	So you will cross paths.
	Yeah, you obviously will come across them.
	So it's not like you're hiding.
	You're walking down the path.
	I mean, if it's a brown bear, we're safe.
	But if it's a black bear, then you got to get back.
	And it's a random bear.
	Random bear.
	It could be a brown bear.
	It could be a polar bear.
	Could be a lot of polar bears.
	Not the polar bear in the woods.
	In the woods is crazy.
	Yeah, and it's not like there's no real motivations for why are they out in the woods.
	So it's literally, you get, you're instantly transported to the woods.
	The man's instantly transported to the woods, and so is the bear in this wood location.
	Your answer, I guess.
	I don't know.
	It's really confusing.
	It's like a bear can maul you.
	And a man, though, we don't know his intent, though.
	I think he has a consciousness.
	I don't know the answer.
	So yes, a man could tie you up and torture you for seven days.
	Okay, he could do that.
	Just like any, I suppose, any man could do anything.
	I think answer right away.
	That way you know what the subconscious goes through.
	That's exactly subconsciously.
	You maybe had some past trauma, and that's going to answer it for you.
	Well, that was kind of what I was thinking.
	I was like, it's interesting how they instantly go to the bear because they think the man's going to instantly like it.
	Let's get answers.
	Let's get answers.
	Yeah, I'm on the same page.
	I'm still on the fence right now, and I think you're absolutely right.
	Maybe we just have a certain perception of that.
	But I also want to say that there is good men out there.
	I'm not trying to say anything horrible.
	There could be a great chance.
	There's a great man in the woods.
	I really, really.
	I really, really, really love bears.
	It's my favorite animal.
	So it doesn't matter who I come in the woods.
	If there's a bear, I'm going to choose a bear.
	I don't care if it kills.
	I don't care if it kills me.
	I'd love to just hug a bear.
	And if it kills me, it kills me.
	I used to cuddle with bears.
	I used to cuddle with bears.
	I'm sorry.
	A random bear in the woods will instantly kill me when I was a kid.
	You cuddled with adult bears?
	Yeah.
	When you were a child, you cuddled with an adult bear.
	Were they domesticated?
	Were they domesticated?
	No, they were in the woods.
	Like enclosed environments?
	No, they were in the woods.
	Your parents let you cuddle with a bear.
	They don't know.
	They didn't know.
	I was in the woods.
	How old were you?
	Well, I was under 10.
	I was like, maybe.
	Is this back in Russia?
	Yeah, yeah, that's back in Russia.
	And again, we have bears just.
	This is such a rough.
	We have bears in my village and near my village.
	What kind of bears?
	Were they sun bears?
	Were they drop bears?
	What?
	Or what kind of bears were they?
	I don't know.
	They were like cute little drum bears.
	And like one was really big.
	Okay, so, okay, you've had anecdotal experience of, I guess, positive encounters with bears.
	Yeah, and I just really, really love bears.
	And I was asked, like, who would...
	Wait, I have a question for you.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	What about in a room?
	You have to be in a room for 10 minutes with a random man or a random bear?
	A bear.
	I will happily die by a bear.
	Do you have thoughts of hurting yourself?
	No.
	No, I do not.
	But in the worst bear.
	She's in the case scenario, she would rather still have the worst thoughts.
	No, no, no.
	No, it's not.
	She would pick.
	Even if it was her brother, she would rather be in the woods alone with a random bear than somebody who she knows and trusts.
	Yeah, 100%.
	I just feel.
	I want to be near bears.
	I want to have a pet bear one day.
	It sounds like you're trying to die.
	Like, that sounds like a bear.
	But only by bears.
	Suicide by bear.
	Only bear.
	Only bear.
	Only bear, though.
	Okay, and I've actually brought this up in the thing.
	If it was other animal, I would choose a man 100,000%.
	It's only because it's a bear.
	I highly recommend you.
	Oh, I was saying exactly.
	No, I know what she's saying.
	She's saying control alt bear.
	She's saying control alt bear.
	Let's go.
	Yeah, I don't care who I come across.
	If there's a bear, Kenya, I ask you one question.
	If you are put in a room with a really scary bear that's about to eat you and you have a door, would you run out?
	Why are you thinking about that?
	What do you mean?
	Why are you thinking about this?
	Well, I have to imagine.
	I have to imagine.
	I'm sorry.
	If a bear is in this room.
	Oh, hold on.
	Yes, Gerald donated $200.
	Ladies, for fuck's sake.
	Bears are unfeeling savage hell beasts.
	Hellbeasts.
	Tear off your arm at the elbow.
	While you scream for help that never comes.
	Wait, viewers in the chat.
	I know you guys have been over the past month or two.
	You've been sending me a bunch of bear videos.
	Send me what you have, but there's bear fight videos I've been seeing.
	Can you send me, there's this video where a bear, like this, this door swings up and there's like a camera on a tripod and the bear like comes out bolting out of this enclosure and just basically speeds down, sprints down this camera.
	If some of you know the clip I'm talking about, a bunch of you have sent it to me.
	My Instagram, if you can just send it to the Instagram, I think I want to finally show that video.
	I do have some clarification questions for you here.
	So I don't know.
	I think I asked this previous show, right?
	The legality of putting someone in a cage with a bear and paying them to do it.
	So I don't know if there's any lawyers in the chat.
	Could I?
	I would be.
	So would you be willing?
	You'd be willing then.
	I will put you in a cage with a bear for 10 minutes.
	We'll live stream it.
	You have to sign a waiver that says in the event of your death, you won't sue us, etc.
	I don't think you can actually people in the chat were saying you can't waive away your rights in this sort of way.
	Like you can't let somebody kill you.
	Yeah, no, you can't because there was that one, the house of torture that tried to do that.
	Well, I don't know if that's the reason why, but I didn't say the reason, but like legally, if you were like, even if you signed a waiver and you were fine being with the bear, but the bear ends up killing you, even though you're okay with that outcome, I don't think legally, I think liability-wise, we would be in trouble.
	So I feel like your stream would probably get taken down immediately.
	Especially if you put it in a cage.
	Like, how about a nice little forest?
	We can just like it.
	Well, I just don't like cages.
	Well, I mean, why do you have to cage animals?
	Okay, just a room then.
	How about a nice big house that we can put in so that way you're at the care of the camera?
	What kind of Sanzu?
	Because some zoos are horrible to animals, and they do cage them.
	Wait, you had, is this really, like, are you just, like, kind of having a joke?
	Or is this like genuinely?
	Like, give us your actual genuine because I can't argue with like ridiculous.
	Every single time in the past, ever since I was a kid, like, I just love bears, okay?
	Like, I think they're really cute.
	And I can't be scared, but the thing is, is that it's like at this particular moment, if, you know, if I were to be put in a cage with a bear, I personally wouldn't take it at this particular moment because I have people that I care about and who need me right now.
	So I wouldn't put myself in that situation on purpose.
	However, in this imaginary scenario, or if it were to happen where I encounter a bear, I like, yeah, I'm going to be cautious because I know how to be around bears.
	Like, I can, at least the ones that I've encountered in Russia, I can, I was able to read them fairly well.
	Like they would huff and they would like be really cute and like just like very, I don't know, like cuddly.
	Like and I would come up and I would like I would give them berries and like who would like you know okay.
	So let me I want to see if I can test the logic here.
	So but it's specifically the bears only like I if it were any other animal like if it were a chimpanzee I would take a man anytime Y'all are like an ape big ass apes.
	I would choose a man.
	I don't really like dogs.
	You've had more positive experiences with bears over dogs?
	It's not a positive experience.
	Well, I've had a lot of negative experiences with dogs actually.
	Well sure, but I mean so you're saying you'd rather choose a man over like a chihuahua?
	Yeah.
	Chihuahuas are really annoying.
	Yeah, that one, Chihuahua.
	I'm sorry.
	You're gonna have either a random man or a random dog and you would still choose.
	I mean she said she would choose the man.
	She would just rather choose a bear than a dog.
	That's what she said.
	Yeah, just for claiming.
	I would pick the bear over the woman.
	The bear would kill me, but the woman could claim SA and destroy my whole life.
	Oh, dang.
	Would you, men, would you rather be in the forest with a bear or a woman who has a history of false SA accusations?
	I don't guess it's going to be a bear.
	Which one, boys?
	Which one?
	Yeah.
	Would you rather be in the forest with a bear or Amber Heard?
	A bear.
	Okay.
	See, everyone's changing their answers.
	Like a bear?
	Still bear for you?
	Still bear?
	No, I don't think of Bear.
	You guys get a little pushback.
	There's a little pushback.
	just the reason that the reason that well listen we all know me and i Well, you know me at least.
	And I definitely never rarely change my answers.
	But the reason that I immediately went to bear was for the same interesting reason that she was trying to point out.
	Just had bad experiences.
	And I would rather be alone in the woods with an animal that belongs in the woods than a man with nobody around to see the way that he's going to behave if he has malicious intent.
	Now, if I'm strolling down like a path that's like, you know, it's made for hiking, then obviously I haven't done that before.
	I grew up in Ohio where there's a shit ton of nature reserves and I've walked down paths and seen plenty of strangers and men that I don't think have malicious intent right off the jump.
	But I thought because you were putting in the context of like an animal that's like usually sorry against your Russian bears, but usually aggressive.
	I thought you meant like an aggressive man versus an aggressive animal.
	I would rather be around an animal if the man has like ill intent because I would rather die like a quick painful death than a seven day being tied up and who knows what he's doing to me type of death.
	But I didn't realize the context of like it's just a random any type of man like it could be you or or my brother.
	I didn't realize it was like that.
	I thought it was like predominantly just like a bad man.
	But yeah, a bear.
	Or yeah, a man.
	Sorry.
	Okay.
	I would only choose one.
	I do have okay, so with this bear thing.
	Nick, do we have the video, by the way?
	I have the article up.
	Oh, there's also, actually, yeah, let's do the article.
	Let's do after 19-year-old woman mauled to death, Romania authorizes the killing of nearly 500 bears.
	So she got scrolled down.
	This is an update to the original.
	Okay, can you find the, there's a New York post.
	We had it before.
	If you type into the URL field, it should just pull up right away.
	Let's see here, looking for, let's see.
	Again, that's just super interesting to me how you guys like instantly, like, no hate in any way.
	It's like how you guys instantly go to like vicious.
	Like, oh, like, of course.
	Well, when you're putting it in terms of like a vicious animal being compared to a man, you'd assume that the man is also going to be like, I mean, I did.
	It's just interesting how people like think about that stuff because it's a trauma response, probably.
	Yeah, it's awful.
	Yeah, I'm glad you don't have to do it.
	All right, team mauled to death by bear in front of boyfriend while on hiking trip.
	Oh, do they actually are we gonna watch a criminal arms?
	Oh, hold on.
	I'll just read this first part.
	Um, tragically, she was on the phone to emergency services when the bear grabbed her leg and dragged her off a 400-foot cliff.
	Rescuer said Miss Diana's injuries were incompatible with life.
	I don't know if you know what that means when your injuries are incompatible with life.
	That means torn to pieces.
	And I'm not trying to be flippant about this.
	You are like beyond repair.
	Like, you are so emulated.
	Oh, yeah, that's what happens.
	Have you seen the documentary of the guy that lived with the bears in Alaska?
	Nope.
	I've heard about that.
	It is a great documentary.
	And he's documenting living with the bears and he's showing how they're part of his family now and how everything is.
	Guess how it ends?
	He dies.
	He gets mauled by the bears.
	Damn.
	With his girlfriend, because he brought his girlfriend in at the end.
	It's like, come live with me in the woods, and everything's great.
	Well, they're still bearing themselves.
	But they have footage of everything.
	They're not supposed to be domesticated.
	That's the best.
	On this video.
	But he was so confident he knew the bears.
	Actually, skip forward five.
	He did, but it's like you can't bring something new into an environment of a naturally wild animal.
	Like that has been domesticated.
	Like, that's just, I feel like that's like common sense.
	Like, there was a story with a guy in like in New York who had like a crocodile or something, and then like it attacked a cat that he brought out.
	You can play it, Nick.
	All right, guys.
	Watch this shit.
	Oh, wait, put us smaller.
	Other side.
	Yeah, just other side.
	Okay, good.
	Just mute the audio.
	Oh, dang.
	Ooh.
	All right.
	Why was that bear in that?
	It looks like they were releasing him.
	It looks like they were.
	They probably from where?
	It looked like they were transporting him somewhere, and that's where they had him in that.
	Yeah, but like, why?
	That was crazy.
	That was so fast, by the way.
	Yeah, let's play one more time.
	Put the audio on, but mute the like, lower the volume.
	Okay, go ahead.
	Oh, you want the audio on this?
	Audio on, just lower it.
	Okay.
	Just put it at 50.
	I mean, like, I would rather outrun a man than a bear.
	Oh, you can't help it.
	Exactly.
	That's the point.
	Yeah.
	Put it to five seconds.
	Yeah, you can't.
	I'm not staring off a bear.
	Sorry.
	A little further.
	Yeah, but what if you're not?
	Okay, that's fine.
	That's fine.
	Just play it.
	It looks so angry and like trapped.
	Like, it wanted to get away.
	Like, that's a very hard bear.
	Like, it's in pain.
	But also, it's the point where the bear specifically went for the tripod.
	He went for something.
	He didn't run away.
	That's what she's saying.
	Yeah, and exactly.
	Why?
	Like, the tripod was the bear there in the first place, though.
	It's like, that's my question.
	I want to know the story.
	Why the bear was there?
	What state the bear?
	It doesn't matter.
	I have a piece of advice.
	Okay, that's just like with the airplane story.
	We're going out of the woods.
	We're going out of the water.
	Oh, I love the.
	Oh, because of human intervention.
	That's why the bear was angry.
	Okay, here's some bears.
	I'm not saying it because of that.
	I just wanted to know the details.
	We don't get details.
	Well, just like the details of the airport situation, we don't know the context of it.
	A bear will fuck you up.
	But so can a man.
	Can a man.
	I'm sorry.
	But could.
	It's like you're pulling up the videos.
	You could also pull up criminal minds or water have been cut up.
	Go ahead, pull that one up, private chat.
	By a man.
	It's a real thing.
	We're going to mute the audience on that one, and we'll skip forward a little bit.
	But again, watch them.
	I would rather have a man than a man.
	You can bump the audio all the way back up.
	I'd rather have neither.
	I'd rather have a nice walk than you would.
	Not the nice walk.
	Right?
	Hold on.
	Skip to 40.
	I'm going to get some second air.
	40 seconds, yeah.
	Can you give me some water?
	Yeah.
	Okay, put this on the other side.
	Big.
	Okay, hold on.
	Thank you, Jimmy.
	I do want to play with fire and box a silver back.
	But I don't think you understand American bears.
	Like raccoons, they are crafty and unpredictable.
	Russians have videos of walking bears one in the street.
	Yeah.
	Thank you, Jimmy F. Appreciate it.
	Yeah, and that's true.
	I'm not denying that.
	Okay, pull up the video, please.
	But I also do thraccoons in the back, so.
	Okay.
	Oh, I love raccoons.
	Just right corner.
	Yeah, okay.
	Good.
	I've literally given food to raccoons.
	All right.
	Here's your bear.
	Do they start soon?
	Come on.
	Yeah, it's right here.
	There you go.
	Those are grizzlies.
	That's a grizzly bear.
	Oh, my God.
	Imagine if that was like a human, bro.
	You wouldn't even know.
	And so, as you see, this bear would, with its sharp, long claws, would destroy you.
	This bear here in this video would just be dead in a second.
	You would be dead in a second.
	And then start eating you.
	Maybe you don't even die.
	It just starts eating you.
	Look at that.
	Well, they usually do kill the prey.
	Nah, nah, they just start eating you.
	You bumped into the.
	Okay, goddamn, bro.
	All right.
	I mean, it kind of looked like they were just playing.
	Playing rough.
	Yeah, that's, I mean, that's about huh?
	It just kind of looked like they were playing rough.
	Well, that's two bears.
	She's like, he's talking about.
	He's talking about how that bear attacking the other bear would affect a human if the person, if the other bear was playing around because they're two bears playing yes, but he's saying if they did that yeah, and I fully understand the consequences, which is why if for some reason, that's hypothetical situation happened, I'd be okay with that specific hypothetical situation.
	So you sent a whole bunch of info in about this whole bear debate.
	Oh, I don't even have to feel like it's such a what's the point?
	I don't even think you're.
	It's such a dumb answer.
	I'm sorry okay, but that I'm not even gonna debate it with you because it's not even.
	That was my point, and that was my point is that you can't just ask a man or a bear.
	You have to ask about what is like your biggest fear and would you rather be with your biggest fear or a man different yeah but, but but the thing is that to me, like it's, it's not, because for some women who would still be a man would be their more psychological question, like I just, I personally just don't relate to the bear versus man situation and actually the original Instead of a bear.
	Which I will choose any other animal choice.
	I will choose.
	We're just going to circles.
	Her answer is her answer.
	She's not going to change.
	I just personally like bears.
	So it's like there's no arguing with that part.
	But you like, you okay, you like bears.
	Do you have a thorough understanding of the risk of being in proximity to a bear despite your anecdotal experience?
	And that's precisely what it is, anecdotal.
	You had experiences with bears where you were not harmed.
	Yes.
	You've also had experiences with men where you were not harmed.
	And a lot more experiences with men where I was harmed than with bears.
	Have you had as many per capita experiences with men as you've had with bears?
	How many men have you walked past in your entire life?
	Hundreds of thousands?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, I mean, yeah, that's a good idea.
	How many actual bears have you encountered?
	Like, how many different times?
	Well, okay, it does have to be the same bear or like different bears because there was a family.
	Okay, because the same bear you hung out with them multiple times?
	Multiple times.
	Multiple times.
	I would say like at least like all throughout the summer and a little bit into the fall because that.
	Wild bears?
	Yeah, they were in the woods.
	They were living in the woods.
	And at some point, I actually found where exactly they lived.
	I just didn't go near it because I know better.
	Did you ever take a picture of your warden?
	Wait, hold on.
	No, I was like, you said you didn't go near.
	Near the actual, like, where they sleep.
	Because, like, again, animals or bears are wild animals still, and you still have to be cautious.
	That's interesting.
	So, if you were to walk up to a frat house and you knocked on the door and you just asked for directions somewhere, do you think you'd be more safe just walking up to a frat house that's fully occupied by perhaps over a dozen men or going up to the bear cave?
	I wouldn't do either because I don't feel safe.
	Which one would be safer to do?
	Be for real.
	Okay, it would depend.
	Are there cubs?
	No, no, no.
	Are there cubs involved?
	Are there cubs involved?
	Because the mothers are vicious.
	Hold on.
	You just already conceded, you said the words that came out of your mouth, you knew better than to go near their territory.
	And I know better than to go near a frat house.
	I will never, I was never.
	You don't want to party.
	No, no, no.
	But you think you knock on a frat house?
	That's an insta murder?
	You think it's an insta murder if you knock on a frat house?
	I'm just not a fan.
	Okay, fine.
	How about just a normal, you knock on someone's door?
	I will not knock on neighborhoods.
	In America.
	I'm not asking you to go do it.
	They're just asking you for a hypothetical.
	Which one would be more dangerous?
	Okay, fine.
	I'll even grant you.
	The bear has its cubs, and then the man has two children.
	Okay, then I will go to a man.
	In fact, wouldn't you say that a man who has two children and you can see them through the window, wouldn't he be safer to knock on?
	Yeah, no, and that's what I said.
	I will go to the man because I know how bears are with their cubs.
	They're vicious.
	Okay, so let's say it's bears without cubs.
	Then I would.
	Well, if there were two men.
	Flat out.
	No, flat out.
	If it's a bear, if it's two bears in a cave in their home and it's a man, it's a frat house.
	Which would you choose?
	Two bears.
	That's insane.
	They're still going to attack you even if there's not cubs in the future.
	You're not telling the truth, though.
	She just wants to click.
	No.
	Okay, but like, what is the truth?
	There's no truth because I wouldn't be in one of those.
	Shark or two dudes in the boat?
	And you're in the ocean?
	Two dudes in the boat.
	All right.
	She said any other animals.
	You picked the two.
	Yeah, she said any other animal she wouldn't want to go to.
	She has an opinion.
	It's specifically just the bear thing to me.
	That's it.
	Did you pull up that video, the boat video?
	So there were these two women who were like, pull it up next.
	Not the boat video, but I'll tell you where to skip around.
	Just go ahead.
	Yes, please.
	Okay, whatever you think.
	I think I saw this.
	Go ahead, press play.
	You can use the arrows to move it.
	Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
	You missed it.
	You guys okay?
	Oh, wait.
	Yeah.
	You guys okay?
	Are you in trouble?
	Okay.
	We need help.
	She's saying we need to.
	Stand by.
	We're getting you.
	Take this camera.
	Look at that grave.
	So somehow these girls are going to get you.
	Don't worry.
	Swimming in the middle of the ocean.
	We got a ladder and everything.
	Man.
	Men alone on a boat.
	They probably have knives.
	They probably have fishing knives.
	Yeah, that's super dangerous.
	Super dangerous.
	I would rather be with them than in the ocean in the middle of nowhere.
	Yeah.
	It's again about.
	But again, those are average men.
	You don't know if they're going to kill you or whatever.
	But that's not my fear.
	Of course, Mary.
	I just like inside this war.
	Oh, we got it.
	Oh, my God.
	Yeah.
	So they were probably like a couple minutes away from death.
	Yeah.
	And I hear you had some men coming to rescue them.
	They're fantastic men.
	I'm so happy that they're saved.
	And if I were in that situation, I would gladly go on the boat because I do not want to be alone in the middle of the ocean.
	Yeah, but what if somebody so what if you heard a girl say she'd rather be swimming with a shark than just like have two men in a boat go by her?
	Then she has had a bad experience.
	Very bad.
	Okay, well, hold on.
	I'll even grant you.
	Because again, it's about the fear.
	Yeah, okay.
	Let me just even grant you that, yes, the woman had a bad experience.
	You still don't think she's actually like bar slurred brain dead to pick two men in a boat over a shark?
	Depends how broken she is in a boat.
	Yeah, it honestly depends.
	Like, I don't know what's going on in her mind.
	It's like, I just love bears.
	Maybe she just lost sharks.
	Then why do we live in a society like this?
	If people are literally choosing animals that will kill them over.
	She's based, by the way.
	You're super based.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	No, but that's like, I...
	No, no, no.
	That's ridiculous.
	Are you like, I'm sorry?
	Like, I'm like, okay, you have your opinion.
	But, like, you're saying you would choose to go with bears over random men?
	I personally like bears.
	Okay, if you say edge, I will choose a bear every time.
	I mean, it's about what you like.
	Yeah, we're being heavy.
	We're a bear.
	A bear is the metaphor.
	Forget it's a bear.
	It's so low.
	But you don't have to think about bears.
	Which is why I'm saying if it's any other animal, I will choose the man.
	It's your fear over your other animals.
	And that's actually exactly what I said to him.
	It's about the fear.
	What are you more afraid of?
	Some women will still say that they're more afraid of men.
	Yeah, because of their trauma.
	Exactly.
	With men, that's literally it.
	Wait, I have a question.
	So it's justified then.
	What's justified?
	Yeah, a woman had a bad experience with a man, ergo.
	It's not justified.
	It's not rather her past trauma is justification to have this sort of negative bias.
	No, It's not about a justification.
	It's about the fear.
	Because again, if it's an actual would you rather be irrational.
	And that's the problem.
	If I have a bad experience or even like a traumatizing experience with one, maybe even 10 men, then I'm not going to have that same, like if that man, if that man is around me versus a bear, then maybe, of course, I'll be more like steered towards the bear if I know that the man is somebody that's already hurt me or other people.
	Correct?
	But like just using the stigmatism, oh, I've been hurt in the past or I've been a victim in the past, which I can say because I have been there.
	That doesn't just like that doesn't just ignoguish all men that are there all the time.
	No, I think it's a degree of trauma.
	We can't just.
	No, I get it.
	That's why my first time.
	That's why my first instinct was to go with the bear.
	But then I realized that it wasn't technically a malicious man.
	It could be, but it's not.
	I think we both had the pretense of that because that was in our head.
	And no matter what the argument is on both sides, because I respect both sides, I think this rant was just completely off the track.
	Yeah, we just wanted the actual conversation was about.
	And I just feel like it kind of diminishes actually everyone's point that they're trying to get across.
	I think like if a woman was maybe kidnapped by a man, her whole life was tortured by a man.
	And then when she was like 35, she finally got out.
	And maybe she'll never want to be around men again.
	Well, hold on.
	By the way, Chris, thank you for that.
	So if I just grant that absolutely women have traumatic experiences with men, let's add another variable to this.
	Let's add another identity marker to this.
	If a woman has negative experience with somebody who belongs to a certain racial group, does that give her justification to then be fearful of all people who belong to said racial group?
	No, because it's not about being fearful of all men.
	It's about that specific situation.
	He didn't specifically say men.
	He said in general.
	So like that's what I'm talking about.
	He said men.
	No, that's wrong because it's categorized like a group of people under a negative context that you had with one specific person of that race.
	That's not fair to like diminish an entire group.
	But I think it's hard to be so black and white because you can't control your response to your own trauma, right?
	You can't just be.
	But yeah, I mean, of course it's not a healthy way to live to just completely be fearful of one group of people or the other or whatever.
	That's just simply not okay to like completely put this entire pressure on just one group of people at all, ever.
	And it's like, and again, I'm not saying that it is justifiable in any way, but it's just to some women, they would still, like, if it was like their, to some women, their biggest fear are men.
	Because they really don't sell.
	It's extremely sad.
	And it's something that's.
	But it does not mean that it is all women's fear.
	It doesn't mean that that's what all women think.
	And in fact, we have all agreed that, you know, bear example aside, if it was a vicious animal or a man, all of us would choose a man over a vicious animal.
	And that was my key point.
	I was not going to go into the whole bear thing because, again, my whole point is that it's not about the bear.
	It's about what you're afraid of the most.
	Okay, that's wrong.
	Actually, not.
	Can I keep it?
	You can just put it on top of your microphone.
	I love spiders.
	Watch it, watch it, watch, watch it.
	Yay!
	That was amazing, by the way.
	That was so freaking funny.
	That was a spider thing.
	That was the highlight of the show, by the way.
	I'm not gonna lie.
	I was hoping for somebody to freak out, but nobody's gonna be able to do it.
	I love spiders.
	I'm a spooky girl.
	Oh, was there a little bit of a little flinch?
	She walked away.
	She walked a little flinch.
	She didn't like it.
	You're right.
	She did.
	She didn't like it.
	Yeah, she didn't like it.
	Because of the spider?
	Yeah, she was.
	Any of you noticed that?
	Yeah, I just tried to say that a couple times.
	Oh, well, isn't her leg hurt or something?
	You did get a reaction.
	Yeah.
	No, I'm sure.
	Sorry.
	Yeah, did you see that?
	I think she might have left.
	No.
	No, she's not.
	I don't know.
	I think we're overthinking this.
	Did she close the restroom door or the door?
	Oh, okay.
	Yeah, and she was.
	Hopefully, she's because of the spider?
	Yeah.
	She didn't.
	Oh, it was a spider.
	Yeah, she didn't like that.
	She went to the bathroom.
	I think we're overthinking.
	How about we ask her when she comes back?
	Yeah, that's her.
	No, I had to read.
	I genuinely heard her.
	I'm going to read a couple super chats here.
	We have.
	Actually, I'll have you read it.
	Go ahead.
	You get reading privileges.
	Let's go.
	Brian, would you reproduce with a girl that would leave you and make you pay child support for years or reproduce with a praying mantis?
	Okay, JP Belly.
	Thank you for the Canadian 200.
	I think that's enough to buy me a hot dog.
	Thank you for the 200 Canadian there, Super Cool.
	So basically, is it bestiality to have a sound?
	Yeah, well, I don't genuinely need a praying mantis.
	A prayer like a slurf or something else.
	Also, you can do that with a praying mantis prayer.
	You've got to do it.
	How about we have Brian Nantis?
	It's that literal.
	You guys, Brian, what would you like?
	What would you do?
	I'm assuming there's no criminal liability in this question for so.
	It's in a video game, hypothetically, in a video game, of course.
	Yeah, I'm pretty sure I'm going to have to.
	I don't know how I would go about that, but yeah, I think I'd have to go with the bug.
	You know, the praying mantis kills the mate.
	Yeah, you know, a female praying mantis tears the head off and eats it.
	And eats it.
	Yeah, but I'm assuming it's like a normal-sized praying mantis.
	Yeah, but you're not.
	If you're able to actually conceive with the praying mantis, then you're obviously not a normal-sized man.
	So you're the same size as a praying mantis, or the praying mantis is the same size as a mantant man.
	I'm pretty sure I could fuck a praying man.
	Are you this big?
	Like, what do you think?
	What does that have to do?
	I don't know.
	It's hypothetical.
	Same thing with the bear in the woods and the man.
	Yeah, but just so you know, when a praying mantis does have sex, it actually does tear off the man's head.
	No, no, no.
	It doesn't say anything about research.
	Wait, but I have to reproduce.
	Oh, not just have sex.
	Reproduce.
	Would you rather die or have a shoe?
	No, I wouldn't die.
	I wouldn't die.
	You wouldn't die because a praying mantis would take your head off.
	That's what they do.
	I'm my size.
	It doesn't specify anything about you get shrunk down, you're the same size as a praying mantis.
	No, no, no.
	The hypothetical is I could be a bird owner.
	I couldn't.
	You can't reproduce that.
	Then you would have to be also a praying mantis.
	No.
	I mean, that's not the same.
	He's granting.
	Hold on.
	In this super chat, he is granting that in this world, I can have a hybrid human praying mantis child.
	That's cool.
	So, yes, between having to, but between having to get child support rules.
	Many women that never have been essay will still choose the bear.
	Why?
	Because of feminism, indoctrination, and brainwash that all men are predators.
	The spider had ill intentions.
	Indeed, indeed.
	Okay.
	All right.
	So, I wonder, chat, chat, what do you pick?
	The praying mantis or 18 years of child support?
	Also, why would you get in a relationship with a woman that would do that?
	Well, you don't know.
	That would leave.
	You wouldn't know.
	You left.
	Why did I leave?
	The guy you were dating?
	Oh, yeah.
	Oh, okay, that's valid.
	But I don't have a kid with him.
	Yeah, no, that's true.
	But you never know.
	I mean, you get into a relationship.
	Sometimes things don't work out.
	That's valid.
	Boys, what do you pick?
	Praying mantis or 18 years of child support?
	What do you pick?
	I pick the praying mantis.
	All right.
	Digital vagrant.
	Ted Bundy nullifies this argument.
	The average man is so scary, a woman will never be around them.
	But Bundy is a different story.
	Actually, last thing on the whole bear thing.
	I know you guys kind of shifted your answers a little bit, but you guys have had quite a few romantic partners if you catch my drift.
	Yes, sir.
	And you're alone in a room with them if you catch my drift.
	Yes, sir.
	It's just the same women that'll say they'd rather be with a bear will willingly go home with a guy they just met and allow that man to be inside of them.
	I just find that interesting.
	Maddie, take over for a few minutes.
	I changed my answer.
	Let the record show I changed my answer.
	It's a trauma thing, guys.
	Look what it says now.
	Yeah.
	I'm pretty sure praying mantis will, if you're reproducing, that would include sex, so you would have to have sex with the praying mantis.
	That's what I'm saying.
	You don't have to rip your head off.
	Exactly.
	I did not know that.
	That's what I'm saying.
	No, it deadasses.
	You can look it up.
	It really is.
	They do it so that way they can, they do it so that way they have nutrients from the male to like help their baby.
	Beats kind of have a similar thing, right?
	Yeah.
	And by the way, it's not a praying mantis.
	It is a praying P-R-E-Y-I-N-G mantis because they pray.
	Get F. What are your guys' main red flags?
	Start here, go around.
	The main red flags.
	Or should we switch the question and say like a red flag you would ignore if the guy was hot enough?
	That's an interesting one.
	Red flag or ignore the guy was hot.
	If the guy was hot enough.
	I don't know.
	Things limit.
	Yeah, I'll still speak into the mic.
	I don't know.
	Wait, can you skip me?
	I gotta think.
	We can come back to you.
	I know, I know, I know.
	Wait, can we go back to the first question?
	Okay, we'll just go with the first question then.
	Just the red flag.
	A red flag that you would ignore if we hot enough buttons.
	I go back to the first question.
	Just a red flag.
	Our own red flag, I think.
	I believe that's what was it?
	Because I don't think any of us have answers.
	Do you answer the question?
	Yeah, I did.
	It's like a, uh...
	Switch twice.
	Yeah, I know.
	Sandwich one.
	She wanted us to answer that one.
	Would you ignore a red flag if a guy was hot enough?
	Yeah.
	What red flag?
	It's like red.
	She's like, red's my favorite color.
	Literally.
	I don't know.
	Is it on the first date, though?
	Actually, hold on.
	We have to go right into this question.
	Stiffler, ask everyone to rate their looks on a scale of one to ten.
	You can't pick seven.
	Your looks, scale of one to ten.
	Starting with you.
	I prefer not to rate myself.
	That feels weird.
	I don't want to do that for a man.
	It's weird to be asked by a guy.
	Do it!
	Just do it!
	Let your dreams be dreams.
	Yesterday you said tomorrow.
	So just do it.
	I like the make your dreams come true.
	Just do it.
	It's still so good, though, even though it's old.
	Nothing is impossible.
	Dang.
	I don't think I've ever seen that.
	I feel like you're going to be able to quit.
	You're not going to stay.
	No!
	What are you waiting for?
	Let me go to the gym, guys.
	Do it!
	Just!
	I'm trying to kiss them.
	Do it!
	Yes, you can!
	Just do it!
	Oh, other way.
	Oh, wait.
	I don't know.
	It's weird.
	It's weird.
	Yeah, I was trying to.
	I was like, I was trying to give him a little smooch.
	He seemed a little angry.
	I was trying to give him a smooch.
	Shut!
	Do it!
	Yes, you can!
	Okay, go ahead, answer the question.
	I'm not going to rate myself.
	What?
	You're a 10.
	It's okay, I'll go.
	I was going to say myself and every other woman in this room is a 10.
	Wait, you can't.
	Hold on.
	You got to rate yourself.
	You can't just not do the question.
	What?
	Yeah, you can't just not do the answer the question.
	Well, I don't want to be rated or rate myself.
	Yeah, that's the question.
	I hope someone else knows.
	And then we go back.
	Okay, we'll come back to you.
	Go ahead.
	I'd say I'm a 10, and everyone else is a 10 in here.
	Everyone else is a 10?
	Yeah, to me, in my eyes, yes.
	Even the guys?
	Yes.
	Not 10.
	Even if possible, I'm in the boss.
	Okay, so 10.
	And everybody's a 10.
	Okay, what about you?
	9.
	9?
	Is everybody a 9?
	Everyone's a 10.
	I just.
	Everyone's a 10, but you're a 9.
	I'm, because of some medication I'm on, I'm just having a little acne.
	When that goes away, I will be a 10 again.
	What did you rate yourself last time?
	9.
	Still a 9?
	Okay.
	But once you're done with the medication, what are you taking?
	What's the acne medication called?
	Accutane?
	Are you on Accutane?
	No, I'm on very strong antibiotics because it's due to other medication.
	I'm very chronically ill.
	So you would be a 10.
	I have the best face scrub if you want me to just give it to you after.
	I don't think that's going to help her, but no, it can.
	Shots fired.
	Here, I'll block.
	Oh, wow.
	I'll block the shots.
	I got you.
	Okay, so once you're done with the medication, you'll be a 10.
	If it goes away, yeah.
	If your acne was cleared up right now, you would be a 10.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	I think I'm like a six or a seven.
	Six and a half.
	You can't pick seven, though.
	It's a six point five?
	Oh, yeah.
	Okay, I'll just do.
	I'll just do six.
	I'll just do six.
	Okay, oh, okay.
	All right.
	What about you?
	Honestly, like an eight.
	Okay.
	Five or six.
	I'll say 5.5.
	Can you be talking to my makeup?
	Like, just roll.
	Raw looks.
	Raw, raw looks, yeah.
	Okay, six.
	Six.
	Six.
	You are a good one.
	With the accent, though.
	You are so.
	With the accent, though, that's got to get aura points for the accent.
	I know that's not what we're counting.
	No, no, there's a lot of competition in Australia, so that's true, but the accent is so pretty.
	A lot of Sheilas.
	Not the Sheilas.
	A lot of poke and Sheilas.
	Depends where I am.
	I don't know.
	If I'm at the gym, I'm like a five.
	If I'm on the other side, you're from Armenian, if I recall.
	I'm half Armenian, half Russian.
	A little bit of Georgia.
	Okay, you are in.
	What's that country that is like pull up a map?
	Damn, what's a five?
	Pull up a map.
	Can we do the Windows?
	The Windows appears to be in.
	There's this Georgia sound.
	There's this country that's, I think it's a little west of Romania, but it's still a Russian territory, but fuck why is it evading me?
	Czech.
	No, no, no, no.
	It's Hungary and Bulgaria.
	It's allied with Russia.
	Literally, pull up a map.
	No, not Serbia.
	Oh, there we go.
	Somebody in the chat is going to help me here.
	Somebody in the chat, I know.
	It's.
	Belarus?
	No, not Belarus.
	It's.
	Moldova.
	I think it's.
	Is it Moldova?
	Is it Moldova?
	Moldova is Monday.
	I'm not thinking of Belarus.
	I think it's Transnistria.
	I think it's Transnistria.
	So you're in Transnistria.
	I don't even think she knows where that is.
	I think it's either Moldova or.
	Hold on, let me fucking look this shit up.
	Oh, wait, Nick, did we ever pull up that math thing, Nick?
	Moldova.
	What does it have to do with me, though?
	Can you just ask me, like, where, like, where you are?
	Oh, I meant west of Ukraine.
	Okay, yeah.
	So Moldova.
	Yeah.
	I meant to say between Ukraine, west of Ukraine, between Romania, Ukraine.
	Moldova, I believe it's allied with Russia.
	So you're in Moldova.
	Very beautiful women in Moldova.
	What do you rate yourself there?
	God, sorry, that was pointless.
	I don't know.
	I could be a six in some neighborhood and I could be a ten in another one.
	So would you just rate yourself in the U.S. then?
	Oh my god.
	In California?
	Eight.
	And then what about you?
	I wouldn't rate myself.
	Into the mic.
	I wouldn't rate myself.
	I'm just a person.
	I don't know.
	I don't want to do it.
	My drama said I'm a four.
	You got to answer the question.
	You could just answer the question.
	I was like, I don't know if I don't have an answer.
	Okay, so when you look in the mirror, do you think, like, wow, I'm really beautiful?
	Sometimes.
	Depends.
	And other days you don't.
	Yeah.
	Okay, so some days you're more attractive than other days.
	So if we applied that precise dynamic to a rating scale, a zero.
	But a zero being like your worst day ever.
	You felt like shit.
	You were sick, whatever.
	Massive breakouts, whatever it is.
	10, like you just feel the best.
	Your skin is vibrant.
	No breakouts, etc.
	Your makeup's perfect, blah, blah, blah.
	Hair is perfect.
	Just got a haircut, whatever it is.
	I don't know.
	I don't like to put a number on it.
	Like, I don't know what.
	Can you put a number on men?
	On a what?
	On men.
	That guy's a five, he's a seven, that guy's a nine.
	Not really, not really.
	Not really.
	So then are.
	Do you do it?
	Are you able to acknowledge that there are differentials between physical appearance?
	Yeah.
	Some people are better looking than others?
	Oh, no, it depends.
	Like, I mean, I don't know, because I don't really care that much.
	You don't care about looks?
	No, not necessarily.
	I care about how a person is and like how they treat you.
	How they treat you, yeah.
	Yeah.
	I mean, that's.
	Thank you for your politically correct answer.
	Give us the real answer.
	Well, no, that is correct.
	I believe her.
	Especially if she had negative experiences.
	Do they have negative experiences with handsome men versus ugly men?
	No, I'm saying if she's not.
	She's had great experiences with ugly men, terrible experiences.
	No, I'm saying if she had trauma before, she might find comfort in someone that treats her very well, no matter how they work.
	That's what I am doing now.
	Like now I've never seen that make me feel happy.
	Okay, so to your point, wouldn't it be better to be in a relationship with someone who's good looking who treats you well versus someone who's ugly who treats you well?
	Of course, yes.
	Fully.
	Ah, okay.
	We're making progress.
	If they both treat you the same way, she said she would forego all red flags if the guy was hot.
	Yeah.
	Well, I tend to do that naturally.
	I tend to naturally do that.
	I look past that.
	That's why.
	What are the red flags?
	I know.
	I'm very trusting with people.
	Before I have Andrew introduce himself here, so I would like to get an answer if you can.
	Zero.
	Mona, just give a.
	I mean.
	Zero.
	I don't want to say anything.
	I'm not going to.
	Because what are we going to say here?
	Do you think people are going to judge you?
	You could.
	Do you think you're a 10?
	No.
	I don't think I'm.
	I think I'm a human being.
	I wouldn't rate myself.
	I'm just a person.
	I don't like to think like that.
	We're all would you date a guy shorter than that?
	Yeah.
	Growl Zulu donated $200.
	Girl in red was a six until she dove into a pool of bad faith.
	Now she's a four.
	Well, hold on.
	So I asked you guys all a question much, much earlier in the show.
	And I said, have you ever seen this phenomenon of really good-looking women dating mid-guys?
	So based off of your answers to this question, you all said yes to this answer.
	So that means that not only are you able to make determinations as to women's physical beauty, you're also able to make determinations as to men's physical appearance.
	Because in order for you to be able to categorize a given woman as more attractive comparatively to a mid-guy, you've just made a value judgment.
	So this idea that you can't rate yourself, you did, you actually did just do the rating when I asked you that question.
	You said, okay, the question I asked like an hour ago was, are you aware of this phenomenon where really good-looking girls date mid guys?
	And you all said yes.
	So that means you're all, all the women here are capable of making value determinations and judgments based off of physical appearance.
	Yeah, but I'm going to put a number on it.
	All the other girls, what do you mean, a number?
	Like a rate.
	Like, that just feels weird to me.
	Wow.
	Is it not to be like asked about a number like on a person?
	But also, I mean, we're on the show.
	We knew what I was expecting.
	Would you date a guy with a, would you date a guy with a micro penis?
	I have.
	Would you prefer to date a man with a certain penis size?
	It really, honestly, no.
	The penis doesn't matter to me.
	She knows.
	I don't really.
	I don't care about that either.
	As long as you, I mean, I'll sleep with a I'm able to sit here and say that I'll sleep with a woman and they don't have a penis, then like obviously I'm down to sleep with a guy that doesn't have like that's not packing huge.
	I mean, there's other ways around that.
	There's other ways for satisfaction.
	Like you can give head.
	You can wear a dick sleeve with Amber just told me about it in the car on the way here.
	I had no idea that existed.
	That's pretty tricky.
	Oh, yeah.
	I did tell them that.
	Or there's toys.
	There's like a, yeah, you can put a sleeve on it.
	If there's other ways to pleasure your partner than just penetration, in fact, most women don't even come from penetration.
	You don't need the sleeve if it doesn't matter.
	If it doesn't matter, well, it doesn't matter to certain people, but the feeling, you can still feel things.
	Sometimes the vibration.
	So the girl.
	There's still a feeling.
	So the sleeve, I'm assuming, is something that would go over the members.
	I don't think it's like a rubber thing that has like little spikes and stuff on it.
	Like it has texture.
	So you put it on, it'll feel like, I don't know, absolutely.
	It will feel good for the girl, but the man won't feel anything.
	No, they won't.
	They come right to the sleeve.
	Tell me about it.
	I was switching.
	I'm pretty sure I have a good understanding of what you're talking about here.
	Sometimes the vibration.
	Unless I'm misunderstanding.
	Show me the thickness of the sleeve.
	The sleeves, like, you've never seen the sleep.
	No, the thickness of the sleeves.
	They're like thin.
	They're like little.
	Compared to a condom, what is the thickness?
	It's probably a little thicker than the condom, yeah.
	I'd say it's a little, I think.
	So the man essentially can't feel anything.
	He can't feel the inside of a woman's inside, but like the woman also cannot feel him inside either.
	So it's like it's kind of the same thing.
	It's just like a musician.
	It just doesn't matter why.
	If it does nothing for the man, it would be for the woman's pleasure, correct?
	It does do something for a man.
	It vibrates.
	Oh, yeah.
	Wow, vibration is a terrible sensation for men, but okay.
	Not all the time.
	I know plenty of guys that like action.
	Yeah, especially on their body.
	I know it's I work in a sex shop.
	You would not believe.
	No, they buy for themselves.
	I have an OnlyFans and I've literally had men send me videos of them using vibrators.
	And they literally went with their penis.
	Yeah, their genitalia.
	No, on their own.
	Oh, let me just put a vibrator on my penis, which does nothing.
	Yeah, you guys are ridiculous.
	I'm not saying all men like it.
	I'm just saying, moving the show along, can you just give us an answer?
	Like, that's good faith.
	Zero.
	I don't know what an answer.
	Why do I have to?
	So you're rating herself as zero.
	You're among the lowest percentile, like you're among the ugliest cohort of women, is what you're saying.
	Sure.
	Yeah, but I don't want to give myself a number.
	I don't want the sure answer.
	I want the thinking about this.
	This is, yeah, this is my answer.
	That's good faith.
	Nine.
	Okay, we'll say nine.
	No, I don't want you to just say nine because she just told you to say nine.
	What is your rate by yourself or other women or anyone?
	I think earlier in the conversation.
	Would you fuck yourself?
	You did do a rating.
	What is she?
	If she met someone who looked like her, would she be attracted to her?
	Because that's how I rate myself.
	But it's based on your self-esteem then.
	Because all self-rating your confidence more than rating your looks.
	That's just rating your confidence in yourself.
	Okay.
	If I was walking by, let's say, by someone who looks like me, I would turn my head around and be like, damn, like, I would, I would.
	Well, no, I would say, like, oh, oh my God, I love your dress.
	I love your hair.
	And, like, it'll start a conversation.
	Why don't you just answer the question so we can move things along?
	I did.
	You said I refused to answer the question.
	I said, Zero, I said nine.
	I gave answers.
	Okay.
	You just don't want to accept them.
	So if somebody asked me a question, Brian, how much money do you make?
	And I say, I make a gazillion dollars.
	That's not an answer to that.
	I hope you enjoy not your business that when it comes to your money.
	No one should be asking that.
	That's not the point I'm trying to make.
	The point I'm trying to make is: if I answer a gazillion dollars, that doesn't answer their question.
	And clearly, your own self-assessment of yourself is not a zero.
	Okay.
	Say to me then, I am among the ugliest women.
	Just say you're ugly then.
	Why?
	She's not ugly.
	A zero?
	What is a zero?
	Well, she also gave you a nine.
	I think she's just not comfortable answering because she doesn't want to be perceived as cocky as hell.
	Because clearly.
	Well, who cares if she actually is cocky as hell?
	What does it matter what the perception is?
	It's all about your self-confidence.
	Do you feel confident?
	Why don't we just go to somebody who did answer it?
	Well, everyone knows.
	I want to talk about this.
	No, Hold on.
	I'm not going to allow her to weasel out of the question by letting you guys derail the conversation.
	Can I ask a question?
	No, you can't.
	We're not moving on until you answer the question.
	Well, I'm going to ask a question about.
	You're not going to ask a question.
	We're going to sit here in silence until she answers the question.
	Why?
	Because I am inclined to do so.
	I'm inclined to do so.
	Can I perhaps offer a slightly different variation?
	My name's Andrew, by the way.
	Welcome, Andrew.
	So to the gal in the red dress.
	I'm not sure.
	From my perspective, we'll just say red dress.
	You do agree that there are things like beauty pageants, right?
	You would agree with me on that?
	Superficial, yeah.
	Can you speak into the mic or I can't hear you?
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Beauty pageants are very superficial.
	Yeah, yeah, but you do agree that they exist.
	Yeah, they exist.
	Yeah, you got to speak into the mic or I can't hear you.
	Yeah, they exist.
	Okay, great.
	So at a beauty pageant, what are the types of things you think that are judged?
	I don't know.
	I've never been to one.
	You've never seen a beauty pageant?
	Well, if you just had a guess.
	I mean, I don't know.
	They do like the little rating signs stuff.
	It's debating on little girls, which is a weird, another, whole another way.
	Yeah, I get it, but that's not the conversation that we're having.
	Okay.
	And no, you can have beauty, you can have beauty pageants with 25, 30-year-olds.
	They're very common.
	So they hold up the little signs.
	Those little signs have numbers, and those numbers on the signs are allocating a rating, usually somewhere between 1 and 10, right?
	So if you were to say that you had 1,000 people who were holding up those little signs, and you were in the beauty pageant, what do you think most of the signs would say?
	I don't know because I don't know what other people think about me.
	You're talking to her like she's a little kid.
	Come on.
	I totally, totally understand that you don't know what other people think about you.
	There's no way for you to know that.
	But I think you can take an educated guess as to what you think that those signs would say.
	So for me, I think that the signs would pretty much range somewhere between three to five, and I would probably center somewhere around four.
	I would just, that's just a guess, though.
	For himself?
	For yourself?
	Okay.
	Well, if you rate everyone, the three, though, I don't know.
	It's the same question.
	She's not going to answer.
	It's not the same question, though.
	I'm not asking her to rate herself.
	So that would be the opposite of the rate yourself rather than.
	Asking if other people were rating you, what do you think that a thousand of them, if they were holding up signs, what do you think that would kind of end up centering?
	Like someone's personal, like I can't hear a word you say because you just won't speak into the one.
	What you should do is tilt.
	So the top of it, tilt it up towards your mouth.
	There you go.
	And then speak right into it because that's how the audience and me hear you.
	Okay, yeah, yeah.
	I don't know.
	I just wouldn't rate myself.
	I don't know.
	Why is it like changing?
	Well, you're not rating yourself, though.
	Oh, well, if someone else were to, I don't know how would I.
	I just rated you.
	I rated you.
	She rated me a nine.
	Hold on.
	Allow him to have his conversation.
	Yeah, you're not rating yourself in this scenario.
	I'm not even interested in your self-rating.
	I'm interested in what you think that the people in the crowd would rate you.
	In a crowd full of people, I couldn't say what they would rate you.
	You kind of just sound like you're asking a question like a cop would ask you if you're drunk in a bunch of different ways just to get you to admit guilt.
	It's like you're asking her to assume what other people would rate her based on her rating of herself damn near.
	Like it's the same question, just reversed in a different way to try and get her to answer it.
	You know what I mean?
	It's like if a cop asks you, I don't know what you mean.
	They're two completely different questions.
	So for instance, if you're not saying that.
	Well, it's because of your own narrative in your head.
	I'll explain.
	If you said, Andrew, what do you rate yourself?
	I could say, oh, I rate myself two or a three or a four or a ten.
	I could say any of those things.
	However, my answer may drastically change if you said there was a thousand women with signs rating you.
	What do you think they would rate you?
	Not only is this not the same question, but it could have two totally different answers.
	Well, if you're asking a completely different question than Brian's asking, then what's the point of her answering it in a way?
	Am I not allowed to ask a different question than Brian's asking?
	He's harping on the fact that he wants his question answered.
	So if you're asking.
	Yeah, I understand.
	I'm asking a totally different question.
	My purpose at this point is just to determine if she's bad faith or not, if she's willing to actually engage with the spirit of a question which is asked.
	So you do understand that there's a distinction between obfuscating away from answering a question, which is fine, or answering away from the spirit of a question.
	Like, for instance, malicious compliance.
	If I were to say something to you like, hey, can you hand me that Coke?
	And you said no, because it's a Pepsi, that would not actually be going with the spirit of the request, right?
	That would be what's called malicious compliance.
	So I'm just trying, I'm just curious if you'll answer any questions.
	I did answer.
	Yeah, so can he answer to mine?
	I already said zero and I said nine and then that's two totally different answers.
	Because I don't want to rate myself.
	I don't know what I am and I don't know what other people think of me.
	So like I wouldn't want to just like say like, oh, that's just weird.
	Like no?
	No, I get it.
	Like is that not weird?
	I mean if she's not comfortable.
	No, I mean I don't think it's weird.
	I think that what's trying to be determined here so that you understand the spirit of why this is asked.
	Wouldn't you consider that there are people who have narcissistic tendencies?
	And if they did have narcissistic tendencies, one such tendency would be that you had misplaced confidence in yourself that did not actually map onto reality.
	That would be a good trait of determining a narcissist.
	So you just kind of wonder if you're moving into this idea that there could be potentially female narcissism and they gave you these kind of wild answers about a self-rating or how they believe other people would rate themselves.
	Wouldn't that kind of allude if you heard that often enough, that there could be some merit to the idea that women are experiencing narcissism in mass?
	Yeah, so if you think that, you know, the point of the question is to extinguish whether or not a woman has unnecessary confidence or however you put it, sorry, I'm not quoting you directly, but however you put it, if it's to counteract if there's a narcissistic woman in the room and has like irrational confidence that doesn't base up or doesn't match up with reality, if her not answering shows, does that show that she's not a narcissist if she doesn't feel like it?
	Yeah, well, I think it does, and I can kind of give you my reasoning why.
	So I think that if you were to avoid a simple question, when it's very clear, at least to the onlookers, that you do have some kind of answer to it, you just don't want to actually give it because you're afraid of the repercussions of what people might think about you if you told them the truth.
	She came out here and said her body count.
	Let me explain the rationale and then you can respond.
	I think that if that is the case, then yeah, I think that would allude to some kind of large ego or some perhaps what I would consider to be female narcissistic tendencies.
	Because why avoid the question?
	That's just very odd to me.
	See, that's what's weird to me.
	I think if you were here from the beginning of the show, you would know she's not a narcissist.
	It comes from a place quite the opposite.
	So you can't judge people right off the bat.
	What place does her refusal come from?
	It could be a place from low confidence, some insecurity, how she's perceived by others, what it may make her look like to others.
	It comes from a place of fear, I think, in a way.
	Because I've seen that.
	Yeah, well, I mean, so there's, I mean, all of these are direct possibilities, I agree.
	But I think that the way a person would answer such a question would show us which of those possibilities it's more aligned with, wouldn't you?
	She literally just said that she could either be a zero and she's fine accepting a zero or she's fine accepting a nine.
	She doesn't care about rating herself.
	Yeah, I just make her a narcissist or a narcissist.
	Yeah, I don't really understand what that has to do with what my question just was.
	Depending on how a person would answer such a question, it could give you some insight into how it is that their mentality actually is when it's mapped onto reality.
	So you're just saying, well, I avoid the question by saying it could be any of these things.
	We all know that it could be any of these things.
	Nobody disputes it could be any of these things.
	It could be someone who's not.
	I wasn't comfortable putting a number on my head.
	It could be 7.5.
	It could be 6.6.
	It could be any variation thereof.
	We just want to hear which one it is.
	Well, I didn't have an answer.
	You don't have to answer.
	That's true.
	Would you date a guy who's broke?
	Yeah, I have.
	I've financially supported him.
	You have.
	Would you prefer to date a man who has money?
	Yeah, but.
	Isn't that a numerical value judgment?
	You're judging a man based off of?
	Not really, because I don't judge if they're broke or have money.
	I don't care.
	You don't care at all?
	No.
	You'll date a guy who works at McDonald's?
	I dated a guy who had not even a bank.
	Yes, you.
	Cool.
	You could have been 18 and you were dating a guy who was your age and he didn't have money.
	No.
	I witnessed you dating a guy who had a lot of people.
	You used to date.
	You dating somebody in the past has no bearing on your current preferences.
	Current preferences range because I do hang with guys that are wealthy and I do hang with guys that are dirt broke, so I don't know.
	It ranges.
	Can I say something about this argument?
	Because it's always brought up by so many people.
	And those guys that have money, that are very rich, they're adult men, they choose to be with women.
	They are not idiots.
	They probably realize why those women are there and they choose to be with them.
	So there's something in that.
	What does that have to do with well?
	Because it kind of makes, oh, she's a gold digger.
	That's not what I'm implying at all.
	But some other people are.
	You're just trying to get it.
	No, the point I'm trying to make is you have an objection to this numerical value judgment.
	Yeah, like rating our looks.
	That's right, but a corresponding value judgment, a corresponding value judgment would be choosing to.
	You're not going to go along with it, honestly.
	I just thought that was crazy to ask, even like to be like, put a number on yourself.
	Are you saying a guy, if ever.
	But you, okay.
	When I asked you the question about, have you seen really attractive women dating men who are mid?
	You are doing a you are doing a categorization.
	You are doing a rank ordering.
	This person is more attractive than this person.
	Perhaps you don't.
	In general, there's people that have those opinions that someone can.
	You got to tilt your mic down a little bit, aim the mic straight at you.
	Here, you guys just take over that from now on.
	Just fix the mics for people.
	Okay, so you acknowledging that there are men who can be classed as mid.
	So instead of using numbers, if we said 10 is perfect.
	Did you call like a guy or someone like mid like that?
	You wouldn't say it to their face.
	That's not the question.
	Also rating some of them.
	Are there mid guys?
	Also rating someone.
	No, Hold on.
	Are there mid guys?
	I don't know.
	To someone's perspective, yes.
	Does someone else's perspective?
	No.
	Well, from your perspective, are some men less attractive than others?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, of course.
	Yeah, well, if that's true, then you have now made a ranked categorization.
	And that's the same categorization we're asking you.
	I don't know if an actual number, like, I would never date.
	But you're saying that there are men more attractive than other men.
	That's just kind of what they're saying.
	Yeah, but generalizing, oh, this person is more attractive than this person and rating yourself is two totally different things.
	Well, I don't really see how, really.
	So it seems to me that you would get this state of whether or not you're attractive from the gaze of other people, not necessarily from yourself.
	Or what standard would you be going off of?
	So if you can rate other men as being this one's less attractive than this one, I would assume that you could also probably rate females and say that this one's less attractive than this one.
	And though somehow when it comes to you, you think the objective with the standard, that's very strange to me.
	Why females definitely not?
	Because I love women.
	And you think, what about men?
	Men, I have had, I don't know.
	I mean, you've had bad experiences with women, too.
	That's what I'm saying.
	Yeah, you date.
	You find women sexually and romantically appealing, correct?
	Yeah.
	Right, so because I've heard this objection, well, I can't rank other women because I'm not attracted to them.
	But you are attracted to women, so that's not really.
	But I wouldn't rank them.
	I wouldn't rank anyone.
	Why do we have to rank people?
	Like, that's just really mean.
	But you already did when you say that some men are less attractive than others.
	You've ranked them.
	It's a categorization.
	You're creating a hierarchy.
	You just don't like the words used to describe the hierarchy.
	But there's a hierarchy nevertheless.
	Okay.
	Are you guys still talking only about looks, or does it some other look?
	Yeah, just looks.
	It just looks.
	Why are you bringing up money then?
	How much money a guy makes?
	Well, he was talking about numerically.
	Yeah, so that became a segue.
	And the reason that money was brought up is to say, well, wait, clearly you can make some categorizations when it comes to preferences, what you would rather date or not date, even if it came to something that wasn't looks.
	But somehow you forget that looks, you now suddenly can't rank anybody based on looks.
	Though you then admit that, wait, some men are less attractive than others, which means you're rating them by looking at them.
	Respectfully, that's all it is.
	I just said I'm not comfortable with rating myself, let alone someone else.
	Yeah, that's fine.
	I was responding to her inquiry.
	I don't give a shit if you rate yourself or not.
	I think that it's just a waste of time at this point, honestly.
	So we have one 10 at the table then.
	Yeah.
	Pull up off.
	So are you prepared to then say, given the other women's ratings here, you're the only one who said 10?
	Do you think you're the most attractive girl here?
	I actually, when I said I was a 10, I said I believe all the other people in this room are a 10.
	Okay.
	Yeah, I recall.
	Including the guys.
	Everybody's a 10.
	Including the guys.
	I didn't say everybody.
	I said everybody in this room.
	But earlier, once again, if I can bring this back up, when I asked the question earlier of, have you ever seen a beautiful woman with a mid-guy?
	Yes, and I said yes, but I said everybody in this room is a 10, not everybody in general.
	Every?
	Well, I mean, what percentage of the population would you say is a 10?
	Looks-wise, for men and women.
	From my perception?
	Yeah, what's the percentage of the population that falls into the 10 category?
	Maybe, like, that's a hard question, actually.
	I'd say maybe under 50%, like 30 to 40% of people are a 10.
	There's a lot of people in the world.
	So.
	Are we saying just based on looks or personality?
	Just basically, is it face looks or is it like body animal?
	The whole package.
	I also think we have to think about, you know, people have certain types.
	To someone, I might be their type.
	And some people see me, they see the tattoos and the hair, and they're like, oh, you know, she's lower than a 10.
	Because she's like a specific niche type of alternative girl person.
	Okay, but so I've magically, even though it's a minority of people that are 10s, I've somehow managed to just wrangle every single person at this table is a 10.
	Wait, so you just have the most beautiful people on this podcast.
	I'm most beautiful in the world.
	Yeah, I guess I'm just a really good talent coordinator that always gets perfect 10 models.
	You should change it to the beautiful podcast instead of the whatever podcast.
	You probably should.
	I agree.
	You should.
	I definitely should.
	So, okay, so everyone's a 10?
	Not everyone's a 10, though.
	You said only 20 or 30 to 40 to 50 percent of the people are 10s.
	Sure, yeah.
	Okay, and what's the breakdown for like nine, eight, seven?
	Because that's a lot.
	That's a big percentage to be at 10.
	I guess.
	I think it comes from confidence.
	I think that's why I rated myself a 10 because that's what I truly believe.
	And even when I may be like sick or at my lowest, I still think I'm a 10 in that moment because of my mindset.
	Can I bring up something that's kind of relevant, but it's a really interesting topic to me?
	Well, hold on.
	Is it related to the rating thing?
	Yeah, kind of.
	Okay, go ahead.
	So it is.
	So I think, well, in the society we live in now, right?
	A lot of how maybe we compare ourselves or how other people compare you is how they see you online, right?
	And how you're perceived on social media and the whole social media thing, right?
	Yeah.
	When there's so much AI now coming into what?
	And like, for example, some brands, they're hiring a guy to create an AI model.
	So she's obviously very beautiful.
	So maybe in like five years, all the models online are going to be replaced with AI.
	So how do you think it's going to change our perception how we're going to rate ourselves?
	No.
	Like, how did we get here?
	Well, because think about it.
	This is a really good question.
	It's an interesting question.
	No, it definitely is an interesting question.
	I think it'll be easier, honestly, if like all the, like, say you're going through like Amazon and you're looking at like corsets or something like that, or you're looking at articles of clothing.
	Like, it's easier to not compare yourself to like, not compare yourself to the models.
	I'm talking about the models.
	But is it going to be relevant?
	Is it going to be irrelevant in the scheme of things?
	It's not going to be relevant because AIs aren't real, though.
	Like, you're not going to compare yourself to a fucking robot.
	No, I know about that.
	Except people.
	That's the second.
	But I'm not sure.
	It's not real.
	Why are you?
	But we don't live in the world that's real.
	We live in the world of fucking make-believe.
	So I wouldn't worry too much about it.
	Yeah, if it's AI, it's all good.
	I feel like we do.
	Okay.
	So everybody's a 10.
	All guys are 10.
	Is there an equal distribution of 10 women and 10 men?
	Sure.
	Yeah.
	I would say so.
	You guys want to be so politically correct.
	I'm not trying to be politically correct.
	Sure.
	Yeah.
	It's like, yeah, I guess I just agree with whatever you're saying.
	So I can't get into an argument.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Well, I'll have to ask a different question then.
	Do you think you'll be better looking in 10 years than you are now?
	Starting with you.
	Into the mic.
	I don't know.
	Maybe.
	Maybe.
	Bro.
	I don't know.
	You've come on the podcast.
	Every answer, I don't know, maybe, sure.
	Just, I'm going to give you the pass on the 10 thing, but from here on out, just engage with the actual questions.
	Well, I don't know how I'm supposed to answer that.
	I mean, 32 is just going to look great.
	Okay.
	32, I think.
	You'll be fine.
	But then you probably would look fine.
	Yeah.
	Did you?
	Okay.
	I want you to repeat back to me the question that I asked.
	Go ahead.
	You asked how I would look and how you think I would look in, what, 10 years, you said?
	Try again.
	Do you think?
	No, no, no.
	Try again.
	Okay, then I don't know.
	You said it once, and I'm supposed to.
	Yeah, you're supposed to be listening to me.
	You're supposed to remember this thing that he asked you once?
	I mean, I said, I tell you that.
	That's all.
	Hang on.
	Brian, you are asking questions.
	You're asking him questions.
	You're only asking it one time.
	Maybe you should just repeat yourself.
	Over and over again.
	I'm going to do a little room with every single person.
	Okay.
	I will repeat the question.
	Do you think you will be better looking?
	Your looks.
	Will you be better looking in 10 years as compared to how you look now?
	So you're 22.
	Will you be better looking at 32 than you are now at 22?
	Probably not.
	I don't, I mean, probably not.
	No, I guess.
	Okay.
	Yes.
	So you'll be better looking at 32 than you are now at 22?
	I believe so, yes.
	What about 42?
	Probably not.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	You're 26.
	I. Better looking at 36?
	Yeah.
	Better looking at 46?
	Yeah.
	Better looking at 56?
	Let's start get a little bit more down.
	Yeah.
	Just to be clear, so better looking at 46 than 26?
	Yes.
	I'm feeling changed.
	Okay.
	And so are you peaking in your late 40s, looks-wise?
	It's not about peaking.
	It's about um, it's more about um the internal power that comes with the wisdom here.
	Repeat the question back to me.
	Okay, it's about the hotter.
	No, no, no, just repeat the question back.
	Do you think you'll be hotter looking?
	That's not what I said.
	Repeat the question back.
	Do you think you'll be better looking at 46?
	Yeah, so I do think so.
	Better looking, visual.
	Okay, yes.
	How does that have anything to do with your internal wisdom?
	Okay, okay, yes.
	Okay, yes.
	Hold on.
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	All right.
	So I'm more on the track now.
	So, okay.
	So I do think I will be better looking at 46 because with my health, I am trying to get better every single day.
	And I do find women in their 40s really, really attractive.
	And you just can't.
	Repeat the question back to me.
	Do you think you will be better looking at 46?
	Yes, I do.
	Okay, but so the question wasn't, do you think you'll still be attractive at 46?
	I didn't say I'm not saying women can't be attractive.
	But I didn't say still.
	But I didn't say still.
	I said, I do think I will be better looking in my 40s.
	Because with my health.
	But you said, because I've seen women who are in their 40s and they're attractive.
	She said, I'm not saying that that's not the case.
	Because I'm working on my own personal health.
	She has a lot of health issues.
	So assuming your health did not improve in the negative or towards the positive at all, it just remained precisely how it is.
	Although that's typically not the case as you age, typically as you age, especially over the course of 20 years, your health is typically not going to be better.
	But I'll just grant that it'll just remain the same.
	Will you be better looking in 20 years?
	From my own personal perspective, I do think so.
	But you said because of health reasons, and I've excluded you using it health reasons.
	And that's fine.
	I just think that.
	So what are the other reasons that you'll look better then?
	Because to me personally, a mature woman looks really more beautiful.
	So it's really just about the external beauty of it all.
	If that is actually the case that you believe from your perspective that women who are mature look more beautiful, then why don't you do makeup to make yourself look older?
	Because I don't actually usually wear makeup at all.
	I've only done my eyes.
	You're wearing makeup right now.
	So, again, I've only done my eyes for the podcast.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, how come you didn't do your eyes in such a way to make yourself look 10 years older?
	That's a fantastic argument, by the way.
	Because I don't make anything different about myself.
	I only accentuate what I already have.
	So when I'm older, what would be the point of that?
	If you believe that mature women are more beautiful than younger women and you have makeup and you can use the makeup to make yourself look more mature, why wouldn't you then just use the makeup to make yourself look more mature?
	That makes no sense.
	I think most of the time.
	Why would I makeup does make you look older?
	It does make you look more mature.
	I'm going to look a lot younger if I don't have all of you.
	No, but it doesn't make you look aged.
	So the thing is, is that when you're talking about age for maturity, which what we're talking about for maturity, not emotional maturity, whatever bullshit you come up with, just age.
	Why don't you use makeup to make yourself appear to be 40 if you think that that would actually enhance your beauty?
	Add on to that.
	So if you look at movies, for example, they do have makeup techniques that can make them look older, but you don't typically see women using those techniques.
	You know that would create perhaps the perception of more wrinkles on the face, for example.
	Why don't, if it was the case that women were more attractive when they were older me personally, because that was the question, that was the question would, I think, more youthful most women?
	I think that that's even worse though, because if it's only a personal standard and you're only upholding yourself to a personal standard and your personal standard is that if you were older, you would look better why in the hell wouldn't you personally apply the makeup to make yourself personally look older?
	Because why would I change what I look like at all?
	If you think so yeah, hang on.
	Hang on, wait a second.
	So you don't diet, you don't exercise, you don't go jogging, you don't do anything to change any of the ways that you actually don't.
	You don't do anything.
	I don't diet, I don't exercise, I don't do anything to change my you don't comb your hair okay well, I comb my hair.
	You don't pluck your eyebrows okay right, you don't.
	You don't do.
	I mean, you do all of these things.
	I used to dye my hair all the time because that's just a reflective of my personality at a time at that particular time.
	Again, it okay, everything is a constant change.
	But like, why would I make myself?
	No, I don't do yoga.
	Um, I can do yoga with my mobile, with my mobility arms um, so I actually, when I was look at the vascularity on the deltoid like yeah, so so I I actually, when I was 16, I wanted to be a bodybuilder and I trained and after like six months, i've realized that I am not putting the muscle that I want in comparison to my boyfriend and I quit.
	I'll ask my magic wand question.
	So if right now I could wave a magic wand and you could advance your out outside physical appearance 20 years, it would have no impact on your health.
	For example, you wouldn't age 20 years in terms because you know people have a.
	Uh, you know uh, what's the, the average age of death.
	It wouldn't get you 20 years closer to your the, the age you would otherwise die at, just your outward appearance.
	No health ramifications, so absolutely nothing.
	No negative health ramifications.
	You just advance your age the, your appearance forward uh, 20 years okay.
	Well, if I wouldn't have to put on makeup every day to make myself look older and it just magically would happen instantly yeah, I would totally do it.
	You'd age yourself 20 years.
	Yeah if, if it does not have any effect on my health, it does not, it does not do anything in how close I am to death.
	Like yeah no, I do think, what about uh, what about four?
	What about 40 years?
	In 40 years, so that would be 40, 40.
	Well, that that's what we're talking about.
	I think she said that, would you, would you age yourself forward with the same scenario?
	It doesn't take 40 years off your life, you just cosmetically look for 40 years older.
	Yeah, that's what you're talking about.
	Hang on, so you look like you're 60.
	Would you prefer to walk around looking like you're 60?
	No I, I do think that after like, once I get in my 50s, I would not.
	The skin would sag in a way that I wouldn't necessarily be.
	You know okay, I i'm talking okay, i'm talking about my own personal genes, with my grandmother, who I look very much alike.
	So I do not think I would be attractive after that particular age.
	That's okay, that's fair.
	So you think that women in their 50s generally aren't tense?
	No I, personally again, we're talking about me personally I have dated women in their 10.
	Personally, i've dated, i've dated women in their 60s and they were gorgeous, okay.
	So so wait a second.
	I'm not saying In their 60s, stop.
	I'm not saying some women in their 60s can't be gorgeous, though.
	How many women in their 60s you've dated, I'm skeptical of.
	But assuming for a second that even you have dated women in their 60s and they happen to be gorgeous, it does sound like you think that most women in their 60s likely are not gorgeous.
	No.
	No, so then why wouldn't you want to be aged to 60?
	Because I just like the 40 stage.
	Like, that's when I think is the peak for the beauty with my particular genes because that's when my grandmother was the most beautiful.
	That's when I would feel the most empowered.
	You're a supercolossal big baby, donated $200.
	Why do women always make it about feelings?
	No one cares about the internals.
	They are asking about external looks.
	And me too.
	I'm talking about external looks.
	I think my grandmother looked gorgeous in her 40s.
	I know I will look very similar to her.
	And then in her 50s, her body started to change in the ways that I would rather my body not change.
	Also, you guys are like asking an opinion-based question.
	Exactly.
	And so if somebody prefers to look a certain way, then you can say that they're wrong because you have a different opinion all day long until you're blue in the face, but her opinion's not going to change on it.
	So it's like, I love a debate and I love disagreeing opinions, but her opinion's not changed.
	I don't think it's going to change.
	So it's like, what's the point in talking in circles about it?
	I don't understand.
	You know what I mean?
	I agree.
	Because reality.
	Yeah, I'm actually happy to engage with what you just said.
	So let's start here.
	You do agree with me that people can have all sorts of different opinions, but they're not necessarily going to be honest with you about what their actual opinion is, right?
	Not necessarily.
	They could be honest with you, but they also could lie about their opinion, right?
	100%.
	I'm asking her.
	Hang on, let her answer.
	Oh, sorry.
	I do agree that you can have different opinions and that each person might not be honest about their opinion or forthcoming about it, but in a rebuttal- Sorry, hang on, sorry, hang on.
	So you can do, you can do through a series of inquiries by testing what it is that they are claiming, whether or not if we map it onto reality, if they would hold that same opinion or if they would change that opinion.
	So it's possible that people are not always going to be forthcoming or honest about their opinion.
	And so when you say, well, it's just an opinion, that doesn't really mean anything.
	There's a good possibility that people, if they don't like the ramifications of where a question is going with their opinion, may not answer it honestly.
	But you're asking for an opinion.
	But why?
	Okay, but when she is saying something that's completely different from everyone else at the table, why would she put herself in a wrong, a theoretical wrong point of view if it's not going to do her any good?
	She could have easily lied and gone with the same opinion that everyone else wants her to say.
	Let us agree if what you're saying, if what you're saying makes sense or if what I'm saying makes sense.
	Let us assume for a second you were the only woman in that room who believed in Santa Claus.
	I'm assuming you don't believe that Santa Claus exists, correct?
	Are you talking to me or her?
	No, no, obviously.
	Yeah, you don't believe.
	But let us assume for a second you did believe that Santa Claus existed and none of the other women there did.
	And you said it's just my opinion.
	And so then I pulled up a bunch of maps and I showed you that in the middle of the day.
	That's a fact.
	Hang on, stop.
	That in the North Pole, there is no L's and there is no Santa and all the satellite imaging we have would show that if such a thing existed, everybody, you would literally be eliminated because of the extreme cold.
	And that then I mathematically demonstrated for you that it would be impossible for one man to deliver toys all over the earth in the middle of the night and that magic isn't real.
	See what you're asking.
	Hang on.
	Could that change your opinion?
	See, what you're asking is an opinion is not an opinion-based question like what Brian asked about: would you feel like you look better in 10 years' time, 20 years' time, etc.?
	That is an opinion-based question.
	I can have the opinion that yes, I don't know.
	Stop because I stop for you when you tell me to stop, so I'm going to tell you to stop now because I'm not done talking.
	Okay?
	So, when I have an opinion, go, girl, you show me that sass.
	I'm not trying to be sassy.
	I'm not trying to be sassy.
	Go off!
	I'm not trying to be in there.
	You're so good.
	See, I'm not trying to be sassy.
	In no way am I trying to be rude to you in any way?
	I'm not laughing at your opinion.
	I'm not trying to be sassy in any sense, way, or form.
	I'm literally just talking to you, and you're telling me, stop in the middle of my conversation.
	So, yes, I'm going to do the same thing to you.
	I'm telling you, let me finish my thoughts because now you've derailed my train of thought.
	Okay, yeah, but it was my turn to speak.
	That's why I asked you to stop.
	Yeah, and it was my turn to speak, and you started, so that's why I said stop, and then you called me sassy.
	But I didn't call you names.
	I didn't call you sassy.
	You just made that.
	See?
	Okay.
	I think you just like to talk over women.
	And I remember seeing a clip of you calling a woman a bitch on here, too.
	So don't even get me started.
	I would like to say that.
	Was she being a stupid bitch?
	I don't care.
	I would like to.
	We don't care.
	What is she being a stupid bitch?
	Like, do you think that women are incapable of being stupid bitches?
	Because, man, I got to tell you, the number one insult I hear from women about other women is this word.
	Can I ask you?
	She's a bitch.
	That's the number one insult I hear.
	Can I ask you a question?
	Can I ask you a question?
	Well, I'd like her to finish her exchange.
	She's welcome to.
	No, I'm good.
	I'd rather not be talked over, so it's fine.
	It's fine.
	You can just.
	All I was trying to say was that he asked an opinion-based question, correct?
	So it's an opinion.
	What you said, and your counter-argument was, do I believe in Santa Claus if I believed in Santa Claus?
	That's a factual question.
	Santa Claus does not exist.
	So there's no, that's not the same type of question.
	You're asking a factual question rather than an opinion-based question.
	And I want to apologize if I came off sassy by telling you to stop, but I simply did the exact same thing that you did to me.
	You were just causing me to do that.
	When you're talking about opinion, when you're saying, okay, such and such opinion, don't you think that an opinion that you hold is a fact to you?
	This is factual to you.
	There's a difference between a fact and an opinion.
	Oh, really?
	What's the difference?
	You can have an opinion about anything and it's not a personal opinion.
	And you're asking a personal opinion-based question whether you think you look better at so-and-so's age.
	And that is up to the person that thinks whatever they want to think, whether it's they look better, younger, older, whatever.
	I'm not agreeing that I would look, I don't think I would look better in 10 years, 20 years, but I'm not going to discredit her opinion.
	And it's not the same as asking if Santa Claus exists.
	But if your opinion was that Santa Claus existed, wouldn't that be a fact to you?
	That's not a fact, though.
	In reality, Santa Claus doesn't exist.
	I'm not saying it's true.
	I'm asking if it would be a fact to attract an opinion.
	He's saying that it's a fact that when you have more wrinkles, you're not going to be able to do it.
	Does anyone else understand the argument that I'm not saying that?
	Am I coming off like a dumb bitch?
	Am I coming off?
	No, no, no, no, he's trying to because I swear to God.
	I'm trying to argue with you that it's the same thing because to him it's a fact that when you have more wrinkles, you're less attractive.
	But her thing, she's saying it's a fact to her that having more wrinkles to you, or not more wrinkles.
	Both are involved.
	Both are actually not facts, they're opinions.
	Yeah, I know, but we can argue that all day whether Santa Claus exists.
	I want to ask you a question because I have genuine curiosity.
	So when you ask those questions and when you argue your point, you have a certain outlook on women that have certain opinions, right?
	Because like to you, what does this question mean?
	Like what are you trying to change perception of those women that you have an opinion of?
	I'm trying to.
	So for me, I don't really ask the ratings question much.
	I just engage in it, right?
	So ultimately, if you're asking my perspective, I don't give a shit what any of you think.
	But because this is a show where we are supposed to engage with another person's opinion and what they think, I still would actually like to understand the reasoning as to how somebody can come to such absurd conclusions about things that I clearly know that they don't believe.
	I have mommy issues.
	Hang on.
	Within a series of quick questions, we can make a determination.
	They clearly don't believe it.
	The same way you can if somebody says, oh, I hold the opinion Santa Claus kisses mommy every year at Christmas.
	You could say, okay, but I can demonstrate that you're holding a false belief, even if it's your opinion that it's true.
	Even if it's an opinion, hang on, even if the opinion is factual to you, it doesn't mean that it's true.
	So saying something like, oh, I would rate myself at 40 to be more good looking based on my genes than not.
	That's my opinion.
	And so therefore you can't refute it.
	But you can actually refute these things.
	If you give some other commonality that a person agrees to, they start to question their opinion.
	That's the whole point of it.
	I get it.
	So my question is, you have a problem with someone who's trying to argue that to them at 40, they'll feel like they will look better.
	So you have a problem with someone that kind of doesn't go with the reality that we put in.
	Only if it's inconsistent.
	Perhaps it could be possible.
	It could be possible, for instance, that somebody could give a really good, reasoned answer, that is, it's reasoned out well and it's argued well, as to why they think that 45 year old women are generally more attractive than 25 year old women, for instance.
	I would be willing to listen and engage in the argument and have my mind changed about it.
	But that's not what happens.
	What happens instead is obfuscation bullshit, lies and everything in the world to try to avoid answering the thing which is obvious to everybody.
	I'm gonna tell you my opinion.
	My opinion.
	Is it an opinion or a belief?
	My opinion, okay, you have to hold it as being valid, right?
	Because it's just my opinion.
	All of the women in the room who said they were tens are lying.
	That's my opinion.
	There was only one um, so one more question for so, without us talking in like huge generalities, if someone was like extremely I don't know overweight or something, and all through their 20s or 30s, that you would perceive as non-attractive, and then they lose all the weight and then they get in shape and then they look great and you know to you obviously they're going to be more attractive.
	So in that case you would agree right, that sure, so I would always make.
	I never put anything in a monolith, I would never say all anything, so I would Never, for instance, say that just because on average there are women who are almost no women in their 40s are going to be more attractive than their 20-year-old self.
	That doesn't mean that I wouldn't say that there wouldn't be some who could be, because obviously there could.
	So that's based on your own attraction values, though.
	It's not based on the same thing.
	But so here's the thing.
	I hold a different belief.
	I think that there are universal metrics for attraction.
	And the reason that I believe that this must be true is because cross-culturally, almost in every culture, when we look at historical beauty standards, even there's remarkable similarities when it comes to the picturesque of a woman that men go for and for the types of men that women go for.
	Most of the statues that we see that are showing enlightened men, for instance, they're somewhat muscular, they're tall, this kind of thing.
	It seems that the attractiveness, the universal metrics for this, don't really change that much.
	I do think that culturally there's going to be some relativism when it comes to some things.
	For instance, perhaps there's a culture where women wear rings around their neck and it stretches their neck.
	And so if you see women who don't have that, it might seem odd to you.
	It might not seem like that's an attractive feature.
	Whereas I think you would still find hip ratio to breast ratio to still be attractive and this kind of thing.
	I do think that there are some universalities because otherwise, how would you know what is or is not a healthy female to breed with?
	How would you know that?
	So to you, it's well, what if in like 10 years there's something that reverses the way you look?
	So is this question going to be relevant to you?
	So is there more to more to it or is it just based on a scientific pill which reversed the aging process?
	Well then what would happen then is we would still be correct because what women would be doing is reversing their 40 year old age to their 20 year old age because that's more attractive.
	But do you think then no no no, I know I'm saying, do you think, for example, for example, if there's a woman in her 50s and there's a woman in her 20s and you can't really tell physically how they look, would you choose someone in their 20s that's less experienced, or someone in their 50s but like the face, the wrinkles, physically they kind of look today?
	Or who's more attractive attractive like, so does personality of?
	Maybe someone with more experience or wisdom?
	Does that play part, or is it only based on like?
	You can't tell a difference?
	Yeah, so so you can, you can ask, you can ask the same question a different way, and you would end up with the same exact answer.
	You could say okay, if you had two 20 year old women and you couldn't tell that, you know, uh.
	Or you had a 25 year old woman and you had a 20 year old woman, or a 21 year old woman and a 27 year old woman and they looked like they were the same age, would you choose based on personality traits if they were almost equally attractive?
	Yeah sure, of course that would come into it, but that really doesn't have anything to do with whether or not the attractiveness traits themselves were there, I think I was.
	I was making a question because I've heard some arguments in the past that some guys go for younger women because they feel like they are more moldable.
	I don't know yeah but but, but hang on, that's a different question and I'm Happy to engage with that one too.
	I do think, for instance, if we were to take your comparison, there's a 45-year-old woman who took an anti-aging pill.
	Now she looks exactly like her 20-year-old self.
	And then you have a 20-year-old woman who's next to her, right?
	At that point, would the beauty standard be the only thing the man is going for?
	I still think a man would often go for the 20-year-old, the one who's innately 20, right?
	Because she would have less baggage.
	But what if the other woman is more intellectually engaging?
	He enjoys more time with the female person.
	I think that men care far less about female intellect than you are.
	Not in my experience.
	That's one.
	And then two, I think that they care the most about baggage.
	I think they care about baggage more than anyone.
	Not in my experience, but he doesn't expect your opinion.
	He's an older gentleman, so I mean, he's kind of better.
	Well, I'm with an older gentleman with a 50-year-old.
	Okay.
	That's valid.
	But I'm saying, I don't think so.
	Yeah, well, I'm guessing that he really values you for your intellect, huh?
	Sure.
	That's what he values in you is your intelligence.
	Is it because he can have long, all-night conversations with you?
	Yeah.
	Or does he perhaps value you more because he thinks you're young and high?
	No, no.
	No, of course not.
	Nah.
	Nah, that doesn't even come into play.
	This is very...
	It's because you're very mature for your age.
	So awesome.
	How old do you think I am?
	How old do you think I am?
	I'm older than you think, actually.
	So someone who...
	Well, how old are you?
	How old do you think I am?
	I don't know.
	I would say late 20s, early 30s.
	I'm 34.
	Yeah.
	Okay, so early 30s.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, so I mean, right about there.
	So the thing is, is again, I think that just, now this is just a guess.
	Just my shot in the dark.
	But I think that he probably values your physical attractiveness even more than he does your intellect.
	And I know how that sounds.
	It must sound awful.
	No, no, no, it doesn't sound awful.
	I think it's actually realistic for me to point these things out because they are true.
	No, no, no.
	I totally agree.
	And that's why he really looks after himself because he realizes he doesn't want to look bad for me.
	So I don't disregard your opinion.
	If I look different, he might not like me.
	But I think it's not just the look that a guy is not going to hold a woman if she's not going to be there for him intellectually and physically.
	I don't think there is one thing.
	Let me give a little pushback here.
	Not so sure that what you would consider the value of intellectuals the same that I would value.
	So for instance, let me ask you then specifically, when you say he values your intellect, what about you is so intellectual that should be valued?
	No, I'm saying he values both.
	He values the fact that you're not going to be able to do that.
	Yeah, I know, I know, but answer to my question.
	What about you is so intellectual that it should be valued?
	Well, first of all, I'm not saying I'm like this crazy intellectual person, but I'm someone that he can engage on any level of conversation with.
	Any level?
	For him.
	For him, at any level, yes.
	So can he sit down and talk to you about how the carburetor is broken and ask for your advice on how he should fix it?
	No, no, no.
	I'm saying to him.
	He's not the type of person that that's not what interests him.
	I'm saying based on our common interests, I'm the person that can engage with him on those conversations.
	Well, let's see if that's true.
	What are the things that interest him that he intellectually values in you?
	I'm kind of curious now.
	Well, we talk a lot about science.
	We talk a lot about metaphysical stuff.
	We talk a lot about psychology.
	We talk a lot about different places in the world and perception of different countries and how.
	You talk about metaphysics?
	Yeah, we talk a lot about spirituality and metaphysical things.
	We talk a lot about quantum things.
	Well, what is when you classify something as being metaphysical?
	What does that mean?
	Well, based on, like, for example, we talk a lot about whether.
	And it's not just with him, but like, for example, I'm very interested.
	Yeah, yeah.
	What do you think metaphysical is?
	Something to do with your consciousness and how it reflects into a physical world.
	That's what metaphysics is?
	Yeah, you can, I mean, there's so many wide array of conversations you can go about it.
	whether someone has, you know, the whole debate about consciousness, whether it's, you know, your mind is connected to your soul, or if there is a soul, or, you know, something that's kind of beyond just everyday reality.
	There's a lot of things to talk about, and it just doesn't have to be, but you know what I mean?
	Like there's engaging conversation.
	No, I mean, I'm trying to figure this out, right?
	So from my perspective, I'm trying to figure out these interesting intellectual conversations which can be had with you about metaphysics and that that is the thing.
	Those are the things which is keeping this guy interested, not the fact that you're much younger and he likely really enjoys having physical intimacy with you.
	Well, the thing is that...
	That's just a guess.
	No, no, no.
	I will directly rebuild your argument is because he can have any other.
	There's plenty of attractive women that are younger than me out there, and he can have them.
	He's a very attractive man, and he can have them.
	Why would he choose me?
	So I'm saying there has to be something more than just plain physical attractiveness to people in relationships.
	Oh, I mean, I don't know.
	I don't know because just to read, just to kind of get back into this, and we'll tie this up so that other people can get back in.
	I'm not really sure because you think that metaphysics is about consciousness, and that's really weird to me.
	But even if we just kind of assumed that that's what it was, I don't really understand why that would be the value add.
	No, why would that be such a value add?
	I'm not saying just that specifically.
	I'm not saying I'm this intellectual person.
	I'm saying stuff that he is interested in, I have the similar interest, and we can engage in conversations that we both get reward from.
	So if you don't have that in a relationship, it's never going to work.
	I don't believe that.
	Well, then let me ask you this last question.
	Let us assume for a moment when you met him that half of your face was burned off and your tongue was hanging out of your mouth, but you still had the stellar personality you have today.
	No, of course not.
	He would have dated you.
	No, I'm saying you have to.
	I don't think he would have either.
	No, that's why I'm saying you have to have both.
	You can't have one relationship.
	Well, I don't know.
	What I'm saying is that I think one is a higher priority than another.
	No, because you know what?
	I'm not going to look the same in 10 years or 20 years, and everybody ages.
	But why would you...
	And he might not be there in 10 years or 20 years.
	Yeah, but everybody ages.
	And you're not going to stay with one person just based on their appearance at when they're 35 or 25.
	You have to...
	Yeah, but I mean, I think that...
	I mean, are you with your wife?
	I...
	I think that there's a hierarchy of motivational factors.
	So if I had to look at the hierarchy of motivational factors, I think that a man who is at his age is going to value a woman at your age much more the physical intimacy than he is the long walks on the beach.
	That's my opinion.
	Are you married?
	I bet you if he was next to you right now, he'd be like, high five.
	High five, right?
	Yeah, you're right.
	You're totally right.
	No, no, I'm saying it's not, I'm not, it's not only him I've been with.
	So it's not just based on one relationship I've had.
	Are you married?
	What's your relationship set?
	Yeah, I'm married.
	Okay, so with your wife, do you just value her for her looks?
	Well, she's a mother.
	She's the mother of my children.
	Okay, so you value her more than just her looks, obviously.
	Yeah, of course, yeah.
	She's the mother of my children.
	Her entire job and duty is to raise my genetic offspring into maturity.
	That's a super valuable job, right?
	Yeah.
	Do you have this man's children?
	I want to have a child one day.
	Yeah, I know, but you don't have it right now, right?
	But I'm saying if you chose your wife just based on appearance, you would trust her to raise your children.
	So obviously there's going to be more to why you're choosing that.
	There's contributing factors.
	I'm just saying there's a hierarchy which exists.
	I'm keeping it.
	I'm keeping on kind of presenting this.
	There are two things.
	Hang on.
	Hang on.
	Chill for a second.
	You keep on presenting this in a kind of false straw man way where you're saying that I'm saying it's either one or the other.
	I'm also agreeing with you that there's both in play.
	There has to be some personality to go with the beauty, ultimately for something long term.
	I'm not disputing that.
	What I'm disputing is whether or not they're equal to each other.
	What I'm disputing is whether or not there isn't a hierarchy here of what it is that is valued before the other thing.
	And so what I'm saying is that if, so here's, let me put it to you a different way.
	I think that your man, if he had two buttons he could push and he had to push one, button one, it eliminated this great intellect.
	Or number two, it made you a massive burn victim who was ugly as sin.
	Which button do you think he would push?
	That's such an irrelevant question because I answered the question, don't obfuscate, answer.
	Yeah, I agree with you, obviously.
	Which button?
	Which button?
	Yeah, he's not going to want me to be a burn victim, but same question to you.
	Why does he value?
	Well, let me ask you just the same question too.
	If you were with someone who is very, your wife, right?
	Very attractive, but she was not the personality, you wouldn't want her to raise her children.
	How is that not equal?
	You would want someone that's more attractive.
	What I'm saying is that there's a hierarchical value which exists, and you just demonstrated it.
	You agree with me.
	Hang on, you agree with me.
	If you had to choose, why don't you let me answer the question you just asked?
	Okay, sorry about that answer.
	So if you say, if I ask you, there's two buttons, you must push one, or he must push one, which one would he push?
	The elimination of your beauty or the elimination of the long walks on the beach and the talks about metaphysics and the higher intellect?
	You think he would push the button which would eliminate that rather than the physical beauty?
	That's showing you here.
	No, no, no.
	Hang on, in a bifurcated, in literally two options, you think that the one that he would push must have some higher value to him than the other.
	Yeah, he would definitely push the one where my beauty, for sure.
	And most other men that I've been with as well.
	I asked him that.
	So that's my only point.
	So you're agreeing with me that there's a hierarchy of needs when it comes to this.
	And I think it's more important if you're with someone and you want them to raise your children, have children with them.
	It's more important than the looks because the looks are going to fade very well.
	Yeah, I could agree that if you ask me the same question right now, which would be more valuable to you, your wife's physical beauty or her ability to raise your children, if I had the same case for the buttons, I would push the one which eliminated her physical beauty and kept her intellect intact to continue the raising of my genetic offspring.
	But your answer was different because you don't have his children.
	You think he values the hierarchy of your beauty first, then your intellect, and I agree.
	No, no, I know.
	I was talking about when you first meet someone, when we first met, yes.
	And for me as well.
	It feels like it's changing the goalpost.
	No, no, no.
	I'm sorry if I'm not changing my opinion at all.
	When you first meet, when you first date, yes.
	But when you decide to be with someone, then you decide to go further in life with them, then you choose someone not based on the looks.
	Right, but if the looks don't come first, then there will be no option.
	I agree with that.
	And actually, she demonstrated that with the earlier question I asked.
	If she was a burn victim but had her same personality, would this guy be dating her right now?
	Answer, no.
	If right now he could select between these two things, which would he pick?
	The beauty would be higher on the hierarchy there as well.
	So one final thing from the both of you on this because I do want to get other people in.
	I'm just saying that once again, I was arguing that it's exactly the same importance.
	Yeah, you meet someone and you like how they look and you like how they speak to you, for me at least.
	Well, why not he just hook up with her if it's just about the physical appearance?
	He chose to be in a committed long-term relationship with her rather than you can hook up with somebody and they might be dumber than a box of rocks.
	Probably easier.
	You can still hook up with them based on the rocks.
	Wait, wait, wait.
	Actually, I want to challenge this idea that, because you mentioned intellect and then you mentioned dumber than a box of rocks.
	Well, let's bring in, because we're talking about intellect now, let's bring in personality disposition.
	So perhaps they're not particularly intelligent.
	They're dumber than a box of rocks, but they're a good person.
	They have good morals.
	They have good values.
	And they have a pleasant disposition and personality.
	Versus you can be highly intelligent and be absolute pain in the ass to be around.
	You can have a negative world outlook.
	You could be, you know, name any sort of negative personality trait.
	You can be intelligent and still have those negative personality traits.
	So this whole trope of like, well, my intelligence, honestly, I kind of would rather just chill with.
	We don't even have to talk and I can still like you.
	No, I'd rather just watch House of the Dragon.
	No, I wasn't when I was saying that I don't got to talk.
	I'm not saying about intelligence.
	I'm saying more about personality, that you click with somebody else.
	Yeah, but the capability to have a conversation, I mean, it was somewhat related to intelligence.
	Yeah, but someone is one dumber than a box of rocks when you have a life issue that everybody has.
	Would you rather go through life and through life's issues with someone who's dumber than a box of rocks?
	But this is really weird because we keep on agreeing with this point over and over.
	At least I was.
	I keep agreeing with your point.
	Yes, both are important.
	One more time.
	Yes, both are important.
	But does that mean equal, though?
	My argument is they're not equal.
	Not that they're not important, but not.
	That's your argument.
	And my argument is that equal, and that's it.
	If your argument truly was that they were equal, then when the button scenario came up, whichever one he pushed should have no value merit to him whatsoever because they're both equal.
	No, no, no.
	It's that was the last word.
	That was the last word.
	To wrap up the thing on the 10 to, I think we left off.
	Not with me.
	I didn't answer.
	The 10 to 20, I think.
	Oh, yeah, it's definitely you.
	Do you think you'll be better looking in 10 years?
	You're 22 now.
	Do you think you'll be better looking at 32?
	No.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	You're 19.
	Do you think you'll be better looking at 29 than you are now at 19?
	I do, because that's when my mom said that she peaked, and I'm like.
	Okay, what about 39 compared to now?
	Probably not, no?
	Okay, what about 39 to 29?
	But which, probably 29.
	I feel like you peak in your mid-20s to early 30s.
	I feel like that's like peak.
	What about you?
	Better looking in 10 years?
	No.
	Do you think this is your peak right now at 53?
	Well, I will say I'm better looking than I was 10 years ago.
	So I lost 130 pounds last six years ago.
	Okay.
	I feel like I'm better looking now, but I don't think I will be better looking in 10 years.
	All right.
	And then what about you?
	Better looking in 10 years or better looking now at 19?
	No.
	No?
	Okay.
	And then what about you?
	Better looking at 44 or better looking at 34 now?
	I'll try to look the same.
	I don't know.
	Maybe.
	44 is still young to me.
	I think you'll start declining after that.
	I love hearing about everyone's declining.
	I know, I know, I know.
	I'm saying that, okay, I'm way better looking now than I was when I was 24.
	It does?
	It does.
	Okay, I love my bad.
	I think you look healthy.
	Wait, so better looking now or in 10.
	Can you get off your phone back there and rejoin the table kindly?
	I don't know.
	Family.
	Oh, yeah.
	I mean, of course, you know, as you age, but I think in 10 years we'll have that pill that reverses.
	I mean, there are different ways to, you know, like Botox and things like that.
	I mean, there are ways that it reverse.
	Let me add a qualifier, all else being equal.
	So if she could get Botox now and get it then, I don't think I'll get it.
	That's the framework.
	Okay, well, she doesn't.
	I don't even do it.
	Okay.
	And honestly, a 44-year-old with Botox looks like a 44-year-old with Botox.
	Exactly.
	Yeah, that's why I don't know if I'll do any of that.
	She's not 44 who looks 34.
	Amber, what's that one shot that you can get that like Miley Cyrus gets into?
	NAD?
	No, NAD.
	Brian tells me that.
	NAD is like a.
	It's like, I don't know the, I don't know the, I'm not a fucking doctor.
	Okay, so, anyways.
	Yeah, of course I agree with you.
	Better looking at 44 or 34?
	Well, 34 for now.
	I'm sorry, what?
	34, yes.
	I'm better looking now than 34.
	And were you better looking at 24 than you are now at 34?
	No, I'm way better looking now.
	Better looking now at 34 than you were at 24.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Yeah, that was an interesting segment.
	Y'all, crazy.
	Okay.
	We have vampire lore.
	Andrew, this question is for you.
	Would you rather be in the woods with a random bear who will kill you or a random woman who 50-50 chance might claim essay against you?
	Also, hey, Andrew.
	With a question marker?
	Well, I would still prefer not to die, so I guess I would take the woman that seems like I would have the better odds.
	There you go.
	There you go.
	I feel you arguing with her.
	What?
	Before I get into all the pre-show notes from everybody, anybody have, maybe you've seen the show before.
	You've seen Andrew, clips of Andrew, clips of me.
	Any disagreements?
	Disagreements?
	Disagreements?
	I already said mine.
	Any other disagreements than the disagreements we've already had?
	Any comments going through?
	I've already done the pre-show?
	Going three times?
	Well, I'll just get into it in your pre-show notes if there's anything else.
	Okay.
	Not anything else.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Let's see.
	Katie.
	Oh, nope.
	She was.
	That's a no-show.
	We have Mel.
	Okay, moving to Mel.
	Mel?
	Yeah.
	Mel?
	Okay.
	Mel?
	By the way, Andrew, she's Australian.
	Any thoughts on that?
	New Zealand, you say.
	Andrew has beef, I think, with Australia.
	I don't know.
	I heard New Zealand.
	Okay.
	Apparently, it doesn't exist, this place.
	You describe yourself as a conservative Christian woman, but a former progressive.
	What do you mean by that?
	Congratulations on your recovery, by the way.
	Thank you very much.
	I went to a very progressive high school.
	It was like predominantly performing arts, and I was very conditioned into sort of the left-leaning ideology, like in every way, especially because I didn't grow up in a very politically driven household.
	So all of my ideas were kind of formed from high school.
	So pretty much for 18 years of my life, I had the same political outlook until I graduated.
	Are your parents conservative?
	I would say my mom is more conservative than she is progressive.
	Yeah, no, I would consider her a conservative.
	I think I was gone when, are your parents still together?
	No.
	No.
	No, okay.
	Are you in touch with your dad at all?
	No.
	There was a divorce when you were young?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	How young?
	Three.
	All right, okay.
	And so, mom, a bit more conservative than she is progressive?
	Yeah, I would say she's overall conservative.
	All right.
	And you said you're Christian.
	Do you have a denomination?
	I was christened or baptized as a Protestant, but my mom's side is Orthodox, so I am interested in eventually converting once I do enough research into that.
	All right, cool.
	Is they Eastern Orthodoxy?
	Yep.
	All right.
	I'm half Greek, so like I have a sort of connection with the.
	Is that the good half?
	Yeah.
	I was raised Eastern Orthodox.
	You said that you've only had one long-term relationship.
	No, So I've talked with you before.
	You are cradle Orthodox.
	That's true.
	You're baptized in the church, but you said you were not actually raised with those values themselves.
	My mother did not raise me with those values, but it doesn't mean that my entire family didn't have those values.
	I was pushed into those values, and then once I got seven, I started getting headaches, primarily mostly because of the incense, as we've discussed.
	But I just rebelled because it didn't make sense.
	All right, you've gotten enough attention tonight.
	Oh, wow, thank you.
	All right.
	You've only had one long-term relationship, but you're dating for marriage.
	Yes.
	And you say it's unpopular at your age in Australian culture, and it makes it hard.
	So what is the sort of culture in Australia right now related to that?
	It's very casual.
	I feel like you really have to really dig deep if you want to find someone that's also dating for marriage.
	Everyone at church, especially in the Greek Orthodox church that I have been to, like I've been to a few, you won't find anyone that's like under 30.
	No, actually probably 40.
	That's already married.
	And you're trying to date within the church?
	I mean, that would probably be the most, like, I would find the most alignment, I would say.
	I mean, it's like if I even tried going outside of the church or any sort of conservative realm, like I would have no chance.
	So clarify for you, Brian.
	If you're an Eastern Orthodox Christian, you cannot marry outside of Eastern Orthodox Christianity.
	Yeah.
	Okay, and are you trying to, like, you said they're all, like, older men, though, so would you date that?
	They're all like married.
	Yeah.
	They're already, they're all married.
	They're not married men, obviously.
	Okay.
	All right.
	I see.
	Let's see.
	And then you said you wanted to talk on a couple of different things.
	There's quite a lot here.
	Hookup culture, the destruction of marriage, OnlyFans pornography, dating apps, the progressive, masculinization of women and the feminization of men, gender roles, abortion, incentivizing divorce for women, the unserious nature and removal of religion from marriage in today's generation.
	Go ahead, rapid fire this.
	Come on, anything specific?
	We have some OF girls here.
	OF?
	OF?
	Like, let's, you know, like hear your thoughts on OnlyFans.
	On OnlyFans.
	I think it's very destructive to society as a whole.
	I mean, I don't think there's a benefit to women or men.
	Like, no matter how you cut it, besides finance, I don't know what benefit you would be receiving as a woman for having an OnlyFans account that would improve your life.
	Boom arrested.
	I can't.
	Yes.
	No, you can't.
	You've already talked too much.
	Oh, so now we can't talk too much.
	Okay, say your thing.
	That's probably not going to be related, but okay, go.
	No, I agree.
	I think what's lacking is I think it's important for people to have passion in their life.
	And also, when AI is going to take over all the OnlyFans, like, how I think it's something that's not sustainable.
	So I think it's important to find something that you truly like to do because the world is changing so fast.
	That's an interesting.
	That's beautiful.
	You don't agree with this?
	You don't think people should have some passion that they just because girls are OF doesn't mean they have a personality outside and a passion.
	No, no, no, no, I'm elding my hair the other day.
	No, no, no.
	I'm saying if, for example, it is the fact that AI is men creating profiles and using AI women.
	So in 10 years, like it's going to be so, even five years, it's going to be so prevalent.
	How are we going to stand against perfect AI women?
	Also, kind of talking about the OF.
	I feel like no hate whatsoever.
	You guys need to do.
	But just like, I feel like from there, it's kind of giving men like an idea of what women should be.
	Because then, like, I'm not hitting on men.
	That was my knuckles.
	Sorry.
	I do that when I get it.
	You should have heard her back earlier.
	Yeah, I can do all of them.
	But I just think like I'm like with you on this.
	But it's more like if you portray yourself as that online, if you are allowing men to like pay to see your body, to see yourself, to see like the parts of yourself that only like, in my opinion, your partner should see.
	And it's just like that's kind of destroying our culture from there.
	It's making that normal for men to just be like, oh, I want to jerk off.
	I want to have a good time.
	I'm going to go to Olean Fans, see a girl on there.
	And then when there's actual real women that want connections with men, that's kind of like their first thought.
	Not all men, just in general, it's just like, oh, like, that's what I want.
	That's why I want to hook up culture.
	That's why I want this.
	So I feel like.
	Do you want to be with a man who's like that, anyways?
	Who's expecting you to be like a fucking OF just whore all the time?
	Like 100%.
	I don't.
	What I'm saying is having having that as an option in general or like porn or whatever, having that as an option in general is actually.
	So you think all porn should be abolished as well?
	Yes, I do.
	I don't think anyone's going to be able to do that.
	Awesome.
	She's based.
	She's super based.
	Thank you.
	Well, she may.
	So you're making an anti-feminist argument that the anti-suffragettes used to make, actually.
	I agree.
	They considered promiscuity to be a huge problem because they thought that it would destroy the quality of the men.
	And so what used to happen is there was a sisterhood based around chastity.
	The reason for this is because if they all held to chastity, they can have their pick of the highest quality men.
	And now, if every woman is competing for a smaller percentage of men, you end up with these kinds of massive cultural problems, which you're seeing in front of you right now.
	At least that was the argument then.
	I agree.
	And, you know, with the OnlyFans, it's just sad because you guys have been sold a raw deal.
	You have been taught that this is empowerment and what it is is the most misogynistic thing you can do.
	What?
	Nothing.
	Because hold on.
	Let me python this.
	You are allowing men to pay you to show your body.
	And that is not empowerment.
	That is giving the man his primal desires.
	And really, all you're getting is money for it.
	And there are a lot of people.
	Wait, how's that misogyny, though?
	Because the men have the power, not the women in that situation.
	How would that even be misogyny?
	Because the men are in the power, power position in that situation.
	Wouldn't that be, I mean, if men are in power, wouldn't that be a patriarchy?
	Whatever.
	Whatever you want to do.
	Yeah, but why would that be misogyny?
	I just, I, sorry, maybe I chose the wrong word.
	I just think you're giving your power to the men, not taking it for yourself.
	It's also feeling really shitty because at least for me, I don't like posting that kind of stuff online.
	That's not like, that's not what I am.
	But then it's also like men are expecting that from me in like in a sense.
	And I'm like, I'm sorry, I like, I don't post bikini pictures.
	I don't do OnlyFans.
	I don't do this kind of stuff.
	And then it just kind of like, and honestly, it's hurting women in general, in my opinion.
	Like, it's like making everyone else's like their view on themselves is just like kind of degrading after a while, in my opinion, because like we're like normal, or no, I'm not going to say normal.
	That was a bad choice of words.
	But, oh, sorry.
	It's all good.
	Okay, so let's see here.
	Should we ban porn?
	I think we should ban porn and social media, except for YouTube.
	Bro, that's social.
	And my social media accounts.
	So then, what about art?
	What about all of the all the museums?
	What about small businesses?
	Like, what about like, do you need social media for that?
	Yeah, to promote your small business 100%.
	You don't need it.
	But I think there's stand on the corner of the street and show people that.
	If there's absolutely no social media other, yeah, you'll find ways.
	You'll put stuff on street corners.
	What did they do when we didn't have any social media in like the 50s, 60s, 70s?
	Like, how are people?
	So this is unrelated to dating.
	Obviously, this is unrelated to dating, but I feel like ever since social media, subcultures have kind of died.
	And also, like, there's not, there's this term called monoculture.
	Like, there'd be these like cultural touchstone events, but now things move so rapidly, like, things are just gone.
	But, like, if a movie, a major movie came out in like the 90s, early 2000s, like everybody, that was like a cultural touchstone.
	But now it's so fragmented with social media because now everyone has these like sub-niches.
	Things move so rapidly.
	It's just like American Pie.
	That movie was a cultural touchstone.
	Superbad was also kind of a cultural touchstone, but all those monoculture things died once social media came around.
	Anyways, wait, back to you.
	You also said that you wanted to discuss religion marriage.
	From my understanding, Brian is personally against marriage and not religious.
	Did you want him?
	Am I right about that?
	Are you religious?
	I know that you're opposed to marriage.
	Well, Andrew's working on me.
	Andrew's working on me.
	Go, Andrew.
	I would become, I mean, I've said this before on the show.
	You know, I'm taking a look at Orthodox Christianity.
	So I'm a work in progress.
	I'm a work in progress with Andrew here.
	Everyone has to start somewhere.
	And this is coming from, at least for coming from a 19-year-old.
	And so maybe once maybe marriage is in 100% out of the cards, if I get there.
	But right now, it's probably out of the cards.
	But who knows?
	You never, you know, someone could be able to convince me.
	But no, I'm not going to get married.
	Most likely.
	But probably, maybe.
	Maybe, but probably not.
	There's a chance, but probably not.
	Get married.
	Who knows about the religion part?
	Andrew, can I still become an Orthodox Christian but just not get married, or am I going to, like, get?
	No, you don't.
	You can become an Orthodox Christian, not get married, but they're not going to be happy if you're cooming.
	If I'm philandering?
	Yeah, if you're coombing, you can't be a coomer, bro.
	Wait, I'm not a coomer, bro.
	Philandering.
	No, I know, but you're not.
	But if you don't get married and you're, you know, yeah, if you're having carnal relations outside of marriage, then that's a no-no.
	What if it's with a long-term relationship?
	I just want to say this.
	Jesse guy keeps like putting stuff on there, and I just want to say, I see you.
	I appreciate that.
	I love it.
	It's just a lot of good vibes from Christians talking about God and the Lord.
	W Jesse.
	W Jesse.
	W. Jesse.
	I appreciate it.
	So I would just say at this point, right, you're what I would consider an inquirer, right?
	You're just doing an inquiry, what's called an inquiry.
	We're not asking you to become some full-blown convert tomorrow, nothing of the sort.
	Just, you know, go to the church every once in a while, talk to the people around there.
	I think you'll like it, Brian.
	Well, I was going to try to go with Rachel, but it just, do they have any, like, afternoon?
	Yeah.
	Sometimes they have to do that.
	Yeah, they have.
	I did look at the church there in Santa Barbara, and they do have actually weekday afternoon stuff.
	I'll be out there soon enough.
	I'll see if I can drag you to one.
	Okay.
	And you know, we'll go to one of the easy ones, right?
	Like Vespers.
	It's only 20, 30 minutes in and out.
	Oh, okay.
	And then we go to In N Out, right?
	That's pretty good.
	In and out.
	Okay, yeah, we could do that.
	We'll do that.
	My sleep schedule right now is terrible, you know?
	Mine too.
	I'm waking up at like, I can't get up at like, what are these eight in the morning and nine in the morning?
	It's hard.
	Anyways, so I guess what was your disagreement?
	Just in terms of marriage.
	But the thing is, I can understand why you're opposed to marriage because there isn't really an incentive anymore to be married, especially if you're not religious.
	True.
	So it's more of like just a disagreement on personal decisions.
	Not really.
	Yeah.
	Got it.
	Well, moving on to Paula, you said you were raised in a cult.
	Yes, I was.
	You left the cult.
	Yes, I did.
	You became a single mom of four.
	Yep.
	Your family is psychotic.
	Yes.
	And your kid's dad walked away and you became homeless.
	Four kids.
	Damn, that's crazy.
	And then what was the cult?
	Was it like a meditation?
	Would rather?
	Well, okay.
	Oh, say it.
	Mormon.
	Don't say it.
	I was Mormon.
	Oh, you were Mormon?
	Yeah.
	Wait, that was the cult?
	Mormon?
	Absolutely.
	Apps.
	I thought they were just like, aren't they just a religion?
	It's a cult?
	Oh, heck yeah.
	The whole thing?
	Well, is the whole thing?
	Yes.
	So which type of Mormon were you?
	Salt Lake City Mormon.
	Which time?
	Yeah, but which kind of Salt Lake City Mormon?
	Were you in the polygamy side or the non-polygamy side?
	So that's what we would refer to as Salt Lake City style is the mainstream Mormon church.
	Okay, so just the regular LDS, sure.
	Yeah, but like, I don't want to get into it too much because I'll go on a full-on rant.
	But there are certain things that identifies a cult, which is a man stands between you and God as far as getting to heaven, that you have to believe in a certain man other than Jesus Christ to get into heaven.
	They tell you what to do with your money.
	They tell you what to wear.
	They tell you who to associate with.
	The church or your husband?
	The church.
	Okay, the church.
	So you have what's called tithing settlement every single year.
	And in January, the bishop calls you into the office and says, have you paid your full 10% this year?
	And if you say no, he'd be like, how would you like to take care of that today?
	And if you don't submit to paying that 10%, they withhold certain things from you.
	Like you can't go to the temple.
	Oh.
	So, and in the temple, you learn how to get to heaven, and they do rites and symbols and all this stuff.
	So they withhold things from you if you do not align 100% with what they believe.
	Okay.
	I can't see why you want mental.
	No.
	I left.
	Can you get ex-communicated?
	I don't know.
	You can get excommunicated.
	Yeah.
	I've been disfellowshipped for fooling around with a guy.
	I got disfellowshipped.
	Oh, okay.
	You said, I guess moving things on from the whole cult thing, you had a male therapist.
	Is this after the cult?
	Before, okay.
	When I was single with four kids.
	A male therapist who advised you to get an OnlyFans page and make money off of your sex addiction, which you had before.
	Correct.
	That is so predatory.
	He also asked me to discuss 50 Shades of Gray with him, and towards the end, he said.
	His wife is named.
	She did.
	I know you want to crawl across this desk at me right now.
	Did you tell the people you're not working for?
	Would you tell like his boss or someone higher up than him?
	That's horrible.
	But see, the thing is, is predators know predators know victims.
	No, that's not absolutely wrong.
	I was more than for 25 years.
	Yeah, they kind of recognized the pattern.
	He was like a licensed person.
	Yeah, he was my therapist.
	Counselor?
	What was his, what's the title?
	LLSC.
	LSMSC.
	LSMSC?
	LPC, I believe.
	Licensed something.
	Yeah.
	Counselor.
	That's probably unethical, but okay.
	Probably.
	So, yeah, just real quick, backing up briefly.
	Were you and your husband in the church together?
	Yes, and that was why when we left the church, he left the family and left me on the church.
	Okay, so he stayed with the church?
	No, no, we left the church together.
	And then he said to me, he goes, had I not been Mormon, I would have never gotten married and had four kids.
	And I said, had I not been Mormon, I wouldn't have married you in a million years.
	Wow.
	So because the church puts so much pressure on people to get married, not have sex outside of marriage.
	So these guys go on their mission.
	They come home.
	They're 20-something.
	They're horny.
	So they get married within a year of coming home from their mission.
	That's what they're taught.
	I know some people personally that are my age that are married.
	And I'm just like, wow, that's insane.
	friends all were married by, when I was, I was 25 when I got married and I was probably one of the only women I knew that weren't married at that time.
	Were you born into?
	No, my parents joined the church when I was 10.
	And I was a Mormon from the time I was 10 till I was 35, and I held all different things.
	I taught missionary lessons.
	I was in the Relief Society, I wasn't like...
	So they didn't raise you with those views until you were 10 and then they converted and in return, obviously, you had to go with them.
	Yeah.
	Okay, okay.
	So I guess moving things on a little bit, you said you do disagree on occasion.
	And it was mainly the marriage, the comments I've heard you make about marriage.
	So that was already addressed.
	I'll do it for five minutes.
	We can argue for five minutes.
	Let's do it.
	No, I just, you know, I'm just a more traditional.
	I've, you know, I'm more like the, who is that?
	Gosh, I can't think of it.
	No, it's fine.
	It's just who you are, and that's you have your own road to travel.
	My own road?
	You do.
	Does he have his own journey?
	Do you have a journey?
	Is it an adventure?
	He has his own path.
	It's an adventure, Brian.
	I'm going, i'm finding myself, i'm just adventure, i'm just trying to find myself as a man like i'm just trying to find myself, and that if that involves having dozens of casual sexual partners oh wait no, i'm kidding.
	That's what women uh, say.
	I don't, I don't actually enjoy having multiple casual sexual partners at the same time.
	Do you um, read Jordan Peterson or anything like that?
	Sure i'm yeah, i'm familiar with him, although i've kind of he I feel like he's fallen a little bit of out of favor over the years.
	But yeah, what about him?
	Well, just because he promotes men getting married and having children, and that, I feel like Jordan's not the best role model.
	You have to clean your room Baco oh, that's good.
	Wait andrew, keep going.
	You're doing the rest of the show as a Jordan Peterson impression.
	Rest of the show.
	You have to do the.
	That's the problem then, isn't it there?
	You go good, that's.
	That's an impression of my friend, Jim Bob's impression.
	He does good impressions.
	Oh man, i'm doing, i'm doing a terrible impression.
	That was, it's terrible, that was great wow okay uh, I think my criticism of Jordan Peterson is he uh, there was a video that recently came out and I think his wife was being interviewed and this kind of I, I was um, she was when he started pursuing her.
	She was involved with another man and was she?
	I don't want, I don't want to like, say something that's not true.
	She was like maybe somebody in the chat knows the clip i'm talking about was she like painting?
	No, she was doing nude.
	It wasn't like porn, but it was.
	She was doing like posing nude for art classes um, which some people gave Jordan flack for, I believe.
	Is that the case chat Nick, could you pull up the chat so I can see you talking about Michaela?
	No, i'm talking about Jordan's wife.
	She was uh, a live model at a painting class.
	She was a nude model yeah, I think I.
	I don't remember precisely so I could be wrong, don't sue me, but uh, and then she was living with and dating another man while he was pursuing her.
	I don't.
	I don't know bro, do you have?
	But do you have any philosophical differences with him or like his worldview?
	Do you have distinctions or differences there?
	Uh, i've definitely heard some things I disagree with he.
	I think he puts a lot of blame on men in the dating marketplace.
	He'll say uh, ultimately it's a man I don't I don't want to put again, I would have to find the actual quote or the video but he, I think he puts a disproportionate amount of blame on men when it comes to sort of the dating frustrations that they face, and some of it look, there are certainly ways that uh, men are lacking, but I think it's he disproportionately puts blame on men.
	Um so yeah, I was in an argument with Michaela on twitter the other day.
	That was kind of funny.
	Were you guys going back and forth or yeah, but it wasn't on, it was just mostly, I think it was on her centrist views.
	I like Jordan.
	Yeah, she said something stupid and I was like what?
	I like Jordan, though.
	I like Jordan.
	I'm not trying to talk shit about his wife.
	I just, I saw that interview and I was like, oh, that's like, oh, I don't know.
	I don't know how I feel about that.
	But, anyways, so.
	There's been a lot of good arguments on Twitter this past week.
	It's been, yeah, it's been interesting.
	Yeah, like Drew and Pearl.
	Remember Pearl?
	She was on the podcast when I was here.
	I wish I would have known who she was and like actually watched her stuff before coming on, or else I would have torn into her a lot more because I love Drew.
	So I guess I actually what are you beating up on Pearl Davis about?
	She's great.
	She says the craziest, most outlandish things, and I think that she's smart enough, like talking to her.
	Like she's smart, like intelligent enough to know what she's saying is just like baiting people to just like be like, what the fuck?
	Because she's like, has all these just outlandish things.
	I'm not going to like dog on her right now because she's not here to defend herself, but I'm just saying like, if I would have had context of who she was and seen like who she was prior to coming into the whatever podcast, I would have had a lot more to say to her.
	Oh, yeah, you were on that show when Pearl was on.
	I just didn't know who she was.
	I had no idea who she was until after I left.
	And then she started popping up on my TikTok and I was like, oh my God, what?
	Well, she's not really here to.
	Yeah, exactly.
	That's what I said.
	She's not here to defend herself, so I'm not going to go into it.
	But I've just seen a lot of good arguments on Twitter.
	How about you give us one thing that you disagree with her on?
	She outwardly said that, well, two things that were crazy.
	One was that racism was embellished and that it wasn't as bad.
	That's a crazy thing to say.
	And then women shouldn't vote.
	Like, those were two of the crazy things that I was just like, we're not going to get into that.
	You asked me.
	I'm not inclined to bite on either of those.
	Exactly.
	That's what I'm saying.
	Yeah.
	So, okay.
	She just says jaw-dropping things, is all I'm saying.
	Just like.
	Yeah, she says stuff I don't agree with too.
	But in any case, she's not here.
	So, but we'll have her back on the show.
	So if you want to voice your disagreements with her.
	I would love to come back on with her.
	Set that up.
	I would love to come back on with her.
	And then wait, the respect.
	Oh, on the marriage thing.
	We won't linger on it, but really quick.
	So I'm always interested in hearing make so make a compelling argument why men should get married.
	If you're not religious, it's really, really difficult to give a compelling reason because I believe it's a spiritual thing.
	I believe it's just a fulfillment of your duty as a man of God.
	So if you're not religious in any way, then why bother?
	Okay.
	All right.
	Well, I'll just move on then.
	You think that if somebody's not religious, they like, what's the point in getting married if you're not religious?
	No, I'm just saying for a man from his perspective, if he's not religious.
	I mean, that's what I'm saying.
	And doesn't believe.
	Yeah, if you don't believe you're fulfilling God's I can't think of a single reason on planet Earth why a secularist would get married.
	A secularist man, a man who is absent religion.
	I can't think of a single compelling reason for him to get married in today's market.
	What about children?
	You think that it's not.
	Wait.
	They can have children absent marriage.
	Yeah, but like, isn't that the whole like men's thing that it's like the man's name passed on through generations?
	Yeah, his name will still pass on to the next generation.
	You still have children without giving up.
	Yeah, I still have my dad's last name, even though my mom and dad were never married.
	So that's not a compelling reason, but I definitely think there's other reasons why you would want to get married to somebody even if you're not religious.
	Like financially, it would be smart.
	It can be if done the right way.
	And then let's do one point at a time.
	Yeah, one point at a time.
	All right, so you said financially.
	Is it a smart financial decision if you end up divorced?
	Well, you don't get married with the intention to get divorced.
	I don't think anyone that's like walking down the aisle is like, I'm going to divorce this guy in 20 years.
	Right, but do you think, okay, so whole, here's the thing, though, with this whole like, well, you know, no one has the intention of getting married and with going with the, sorry, there's a bug tripping me out.
	With the intention of getting divorced, right?
	Yeah.
	But people who go into the marriage anticipating that this is going to be the person that I'm going to stay with forever.
	I really love them.
	Everything's great.
	Those people one year, two years, three year, four year, five year, ten year down the road invariably end up getting divorced.
	Yeah, I'm aware that most marriages do end in divorce.
	I'm aware that like it's not super probable that you will be that one in a thousand or one in a million person that won't get divorced, but I don't think anyone goes into a marriage willingly thinking that let us assume for a minute that 48% or almost half of everybody who played contact sports got brain damaged.
	So this is half of everybody who plays it, not professionally, just they play it, they get brain damaged.
	And your son came to you and said, mom, I want to play contact sports.
	Would you tell him not to?
	No, but I'm not saying, like, okay, so all I'm saying is that it's like, there's other reasons to get married.
	I'm not saying you would tell them to play.
	There's not reasons to get divorced.
	What?
	You would tell them to go ahead and play them?
	If my son wanted to play football, a contact sport, I'm not going to stop him on the probability that he could get hurt.
	You could get hurt.
	No, I want you to focus on this.
	So right now, because I think you're misinterpreting what I'm saying to you.
	Right now, your chances of having some type of long-term injury, playing just kind of regular contact sport, high school football, basketball, things like that, they're not very high.
	Your chance of getting a long-term energy, very, very low.
	But let us assume for a minute that the chances were half.
	50% of all people who played contact sports were going to get some type of serious injury.
	Wouldn't you tell your son not to do that then?
	No.
	No?
	Even if I'm not going to tell him.
	I'm not going to tell my son that he's not allowed to play sports if there's a 50% chance that he could get hurt.
	I would tell him to wipe off the – Let me ask you – Let me ask it a different one.
	He just said that.
	If 50% of the women that your son could potentially sleep with had HIV, would you tell him not to sleep with women until they were married or until there was a seriously affirm foundation where they knew that they wouldn't get HIV?
	50%, if the rate was every man who had sex, 50% of them got HIV.
	I would tell him to, just like, there's going to be odds of like, if you sleep with one person or a thousand people, there's going to be a chance.
	It might be more unlikely the less people you sleep with, of course, but there's still a chance for you to get HIV or any other STD.
	But living your life in fear and not doing something because of the chance that something could go wrong, that's like me saying I shouldn't have driven my car because there's a chance that I could get in an accident.
	I think that if you were in a place where every time you got in your car, there was a 50% chance you were going to get in an accident, you would recommend nobody ever drive a car ever again.
	Like, for instance, imagine if I gave you a scenario where 50% of people who picked up a firearm died from a gunshot wound.
	50%.
	I mean, wouldn't you then be like, no guns?
	Like this?
	50%, right?
	I understand what you're saying, and I get that you're trying to make the analogy that 50% of marriages end in divorce.
	Is that where you're going with that?
	Am I right for assuming that's I think it's I think it's slightly less, but the point here is that, yeah, it's it's a massive amount to the tune that it's close enough that deviating from it doesn't matter much, right?
	Yeah, of course.
	I'm not denying the fact that there is like a big chance that I could, that the marriage could end in divorce.
	But if I'm choosing to marry someone and it's not for religious reasons, it's because I want to show them that I'm committed to them and wear something to symbolize, like a ring, to symbolize that I am going to be committed to them for the rest of my life.
	That shows outwardly to others that I am completely off the market, not interested.
	And that also shows to my partner going through a ceremony with all of my family and friends and relatives that I am committing my life, for better or for worse, to another person.
	I don't know if you're not doing those things.
	Why couldn't you do every single one of those things and then not get married?
	So for instance, you could have a ceremony where you committed to the person.
	You could wear something that showed everybody that you were committed, that would be recognizable.
	You could even wear a sign that says I'm in a committed relationship.
	Why do all the things and not sign the why would why would any of those be a requisite for marriage from a secular perspective?
	What about government?
	Yeah, I mean, I'm not personally saying like that I need to get married even though I'm not religious.
	I'm just saying that there are thousands and millions of people that want to make that commitment to their partner and not and not for a religious purpose.
	I'm not saying that it's wrong or right to do it for a religious purpose.
	Obviously, whatever you believe in your beliefs are yours and you have every right to you know believe those things.
	I'm just saying in general terms like anyone can want to get married and it's not just because of a religious purpose.
	That's all I'm saying.
	Yeah, but what I'm saying, but my counter to this is if you could have all of the things that it is that you're after without it being marriage and you were not religious, what would actually be your incentive to get married?
	Because if you involve the state, then a man ups his risk significantly rather than if he does not.
	So from a man's perspective, if he's non-religious, why in the world would he ever want to involve the state in any sort of marriage?
	What risk are you explaining that it would up or that it would make more of a well so absent of prenup, judges are more likely to default to women when it comes to child custody.
	Though that is getting better, it's still the default.
	They're far more likely to get alimony.
	They're far more likely to get all sorts of payments.
	They're far more likely to have assets split.
	There's all sorts of issues which come up if they tie the knot with the state.
	They're really marrying the state.
	They're not really marrying you.
	Yeah.
	No, I mean, I understand like your points of view.
	I was just saying, I wasn't trying to say that I personally want to get married even though I'm not religious.
	I'm just saying that everyone should have the right to make that commitment to their partner if that's what they so choose to do.
	Whether they do it under church or under God or under whatever religion is we're not talking about this avoids the question.
	The question isn't whether or not people should be able to get married if they want to.
	Well, that was her statement.
	That's why I said what I said.
	Did we just waste five minutes because you totally misunderstood?
	I asked her.
	The question I was asking.
	What?
	I asked her before I even started on my tangent at all.
	I literally did.
	So you think the conversation is about should people have the right to get married?
	No, I'm saying my reasoning for why people should still, like, why it's not a bad thing for people and the reasons why they can't, why they should or why they would want to get married despite not being religious.
	Well, I haven't really heard any good reasons.
	I said several different reasons.
	You said financial?
	I said financial.
	And then I also said, I said financial.
	Also, said that it would be like a commitment greater than a girlfriend or a boyfriend that you would want to make to somebody else in front of all of your significant others.
	He's saying you can do that anyways, but what's the point in doing that if you're not actually going to be able to do that?
	That's our point.
	Wait, so that's our entire point.
	What would be the point doing any of that after religion if you get all the benefits of it?
	Everyone reserves the right to do so if they want to, but the one that says they know.
	Hold on.
	Wait, I actually couldn't.
	I think I might be able to make an argument here.
	Wouldn't the commitment be weaker once you are married?
	As the woman.
	As the man, the commitment grows stronger.
	As the woman, the commitment grows weaker.
	Could you explain?
	So, yeah.
	We're dating.
	I make a million dollars a month.
	You make 50K a year.
	And eventually you actually just stop working because I'm fully providing for you.
	Now, if I break up with you and we're just boyfriend-girlfriend, you don't get anything.
	But if we're married and you are vaguely unhappy with the relationship for whatever reason, you can then end that relationship and then go on to get alimony payments.
	You can get half of the money that I earned during the relationship.
	So if I earn $10 million during the course of our marriage, excuse me, not relationship, during the course of the marriage, if I earn $10 million, you get $5 million.
	I understand what you're saying.
	So it would actually, I would be more in terms of the commitment, the man is more inclined to stay committed, whereas the woman now has a financial incentive to leave the relationship because she gets paid if she ends it.
	Yeah, I totally get what you're saying, but even let's so I think it would, I think it would actually financial incentive to end the relationship.
	Yeah, I totally understand what you're saying.
	It's super valid.
	I just want to counteract it just with one thing.
	What if the roles were reversed and the woman was the main breadwinner?
	Not super conservative.
	What does that have to do with my argument?
	Because could you not do the same thing?
	How does that work in a marriage?
	I've never done much research.
	But couldn't you gain something from that?
	So if we looked at statistics and we looked at who's the primary breadwinner in relationships.
	No, I'm not saying statistically who's usually the main breadwinner.
	I agree that the man is.
	Okay, a woman who's extremely wealthy has the same financial concerns as the man.
	Although I would say that they're a bit lessened because one, there's a bias in the court system.
	And then two, men are less likely to ask for to pursue alimony.
	Men still do.
	And they still can, but they're less likely to pursue alimony, even if they're entitled to it.
	Yeah, let's just assume that I am the person.
	It's the same risk.
	Exactly.
	Okay, so let me just say this, just to close this off, because I don't want to keep going with it because I understand that other people want to talk to.
	But if I am the main breadwinner with the exact same things that you said you would have in the marriage, I would still want to take that risk to show my partner that I want to be committed to them.
	And that is why can't your partner show their commitment to you by saying, I don't need to get married.
	I love you so much.
	It doesn't matter who having the government involved.
	Yeah, like what about a commitment ceremony?
	I'm not even saying that I'm like planning on getting married.
	I'm just saying in generalized terms.
	Like, if it's not under a church, like I would, even if I was the main breadwinner and I was making all the money, I was putting myself at risk.
	I would still want to get married to my partner and show them that I'm like committed to them for the rest of my life.
	Okay.
	And that's just what I would want to do.
	I would want to tie their names.
	50% of your net worth right now.
	No, I don't feel comfortable doing that on the internet.
	I would do that with you in private, but like I would say, I just don't want to put that on the internet like that.
	You're saying off camera, you'll give me 50% of your net worth.
	No, I'm saying I would tell you.
	Oh, I thought you were asking me to tell you.
	I don't need to know what it is.
	I just want you to give it to me.
	If we were married and decided to get divorced because of whatever reason it is, then I would be willing to go to court and fight for my stuff, which is just as much as I would expect to do.
	Wouldn't you, let me ask you a question.
	Would you feel, let's say somebody, let's say this person cheated on you, right?
	And you had like a really, is acrimonious the right word?
	Acrimony?
	That means like conflict.
	I don't know.
	If you had a very acrimonious, if you had a very acrimonious relationship, there's a lot of conflict, there's infidelity, and then the divorce occurs, would you feel better just giving a random person on the street half your worth or that you don't know at all or giving it to somebody who you may very well fucking hate?
	Isn't it the cheater that gets in?
	I thought it was the, okay, I don't know much about like divorce and marriage because obviously I'm 22 years old.
	I'm just saying.
	I'm not gone down with that.
	I'm just saying like personally, even if I was the main breadwinner, whatever risk it would be, I would still prefer to, and if I wanted to, I would still like to have, you know, get married and show that commitment.
	That's just why does it show more commitment?
	I already listed the reasons why getting married kept people committed.
	How do you then explain the divorce rate?
	Do we get a rate on how many relationships our boyfriend-girlfriend gets broken up with?
	Like, I'm sure that number is not a good idea.
	No, but why people get married because they want that further commitment.
	So that, in the sense, if you get married, you want to be like, okay, this is my person forever.
	I want to be with you for the rest of my life, for the rest of your life.
	And boyfriend, girlfriend is like, okay, I think I want to be with you for the rest of my life, but I actually don't.
	So then you break up.
	Exactly.
	I do have to move it on.
	We have Bender the Offender.
	I haven't seen this guy in a while.
	Holy shit.
	I would love to know your opinion.
	Bender the Offender.
	Okay.
	Lady in the back right corner sounds like Johnny from the movie.
	The room back right corner is that the room where it's like just, it's like a mom.
	I think I know what this is.
	It's a if I'm chat or whatever.
	I think it's a woman who is like stuck in a shed because a guy kidnapped her and she's stuck in a shed and he like no, it's like really messed up and like he like like did stuff and then she had a kid, and then she had a kid, and then the kid is only known the room which is the shed, which is called like the room, and then he comes in there and oh, I've seen this movie.
	Yeah, Bender The Offender, good to see you back in the chat, man.
	I don't know that.
	I can't remember the last time I saw you.
	It's probably like two weeks ago and I don't even remember.
	Thank you, man.
	Appreciate it.
	Good to see you in the chat, man.
	Let's see.
	We have some notes here from Elle.
	Last time I was on the show, I was housing a man who was a total narcissist asshole, but he was the reason I went separately.
	Celibate.
	Sorry if I felt that.
	For two and a half months afterwards.
	And so in June 6th, 2023, you sent us a message.
	So I've been completely celibate since the last show.
	No sex, no kissing, no anything.
	If you'd like to have me back on to talk about my experience, I'd love to.
	Yeah.
	So during the time of the last podcast, I think.
	Sorry.
	It said that they said I got the movie wrong.
	Oh, okay.
	So during the time of the last podcast, which was like an all-girls podcast with Pearl and my other roommates at the time, these are my new roommates, but my old ones.
	I was dating a guy.
	We'll just call him by his name because I'm bold like that, Dylan.
	And he was living with me.
	So Originally, he was like a friend of a friend, and I had seen him at like events in like my friend's house that we were both friends with.
	And he was in like a really bad relationship.
	He ended up, like, his girlfriend at the time kicked him out and like wanted nothing to do with him.
	So, I naturally like felt bad for him because he's not from LA.
	And so I was like just trying to help him.
	I told him I would give him like a weekend to stay at my house because I didn't want him to be with all his bags on the street.
	He ended up staying for two and a half months.
	And we ended up having like somewhat of like a like a relationship, but he didn't want to call it a relationship because that would involve him like taking ownership over like me and him being together.
	Which I, even though I was providing for him, giving him like food, housing, all of that, he still didn't want to put a title on it.
	That's so distracting.
	But basically, he was super abusive, very narcissistic.
	Told me that I couldn't sleep with anyone.
	Huh?
	He kicked your ribs in.
	Yeah, he did do some pretty crazy things.
	Yes.
	Anyways, he ended up getting kicked out by my other roommates because they band together to be like, this is really fucked up.
	We hear you like screaming and crying, and you see like, you know, bad marks and stuff like that.
	So they ended up kicking him out.
	And afterwards, he told me that, you know, I was like very easily manipulated because it was so easy for him to manipulate me.
	He told me that I was never going to be successful because I cared too much about helping other people be successful, as in him as well.
	And those things, as harsh as they were to hear, and I don't want to give him any credit because the way that he went about it was very wrong.
	Obviously, he's not a good person.
	But the way that, but the things that he said did hold a little bit of truth behind them.
	And I did kind of like, you know, do some self-reflecting in that moment and be like, wow, you know what?
	I kind of am a little bit easily manipulated because I'm letting somebody, even though it's with good intentions, still take advantage of me.
	And that's the wrong thing to do.
	And then I just started doing a lot of self-reflecting, like, hmm, I'm kind of letting most men, women, partners that I'm having sex with kind of take advantage of me because I'm not gaining anything from it.
	Not even really sexually most of the time, if I'm being honest, because like, let's be real.
	So it was just like, to me, to me, I was just like, I think I'm going to do a detox of just sexual partners, sexual interests.
	And I kind of quit completely cold turkey.
	And I decided that I was just going to stop and be celibate.
	I was celibate for two months.
	Then I got essayed.
	That's how I lost my celibacy unintentionally.
	Then I ended up finding my partner who I am currently with now.
	And that was the person that I consented to gave my celibacy to and decided to be with.
	And I'm now with for seven months, a year, if you include the talking stage.
	So it was kind of like a full wraparound.
	I went from just being like complete home mode to being in a monogamous committed relationship, which I never expected to be in.
	And that's the one you're still with.
	Still in now.
	Okay.
	His name's Get Lost.
	And you said, yeah, let's go to Twitch really quick.
	Guys, go to twitch.tv/slash whatever.
	Drops a follow, drops a prime sub.
	Guys, it has been over.
	I can't even see.
	How many years?
	Oh my god, these bits.
	Guys, it's been over an hour since we've had a prime.
	Guys, drop us a prime in the chat.
	Appreciate it.
	Thank you, guys.
	Drop us a prime.
	Follow us on Twitch.
	We're going to be doing a stream tomorrow with Madison and Morgan.
	And Madison and Morgan.
	And then I think she's coming too.
	My shoulders aren't going to be.
	Maybe.
	I'm going to ABCH.
	For the gifted 20 memberships, appreciate it, man.
	All right, we have, let's see here, we have Amber.
	Crazy dating story.
	I dated a guy who I found videos of my mom on his phone.
	Oh, yeah.
	She was like, other crazier images.
	Oh, yeah.
	What?
	Okay, so I was dating this guy for about a year and a half until I started having the gut feeling that he was definitely like doing something suspicious because he would never let me on the phone, ignore me for hours while gaming.
	Just kind of was an asshole.
	Should have should have known better, but yeah.
	And then eventually one day when he was gaming, I got a hold of his phone and then I went through it and I found like a bunch of videos.
	Like videos of him like recording my mother, like zooming in on her like cleavage and stuff.
	My best friend while we're at the swimming pool, him like walking by and like having his phone just like on the side trying to zoom in on her.
	And then I found videos of him in women's bathroom stalls trying to record their feet underneath the stalls.
	And then I found a bunch of things.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, yeah.
	That was probably one of the craziest things you've ever seen.
	You want to say the name like how I did and just fucking falls to the wallet.
	Oh, he's a wannabe rapper called Kid Shine.
	Balls of the world.
	No, that was coming.
	Okay.
	Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	No, I already posted a Dropbox link and I exposed all of it like two, three years ago, right after I found out, I was mortified.
	And I was like, everyone needs to know.
	I was like, everyone needs to.
	Oh, you've already exposed him?
	Oh, yeah, Nice.
	Yeah.
	Bathroom stalls.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, that's so good.
	And kids too.
	Kids too.
	Oh, okay.
	That's so much.
	At the public pool, like zooming in on.
	How long did you date him?
	Two years.
	Almost.
	Was there anything in his behavior that was a little suspect?
	The only thing that I thought was suspect of him was that he was a cheater.
	I never thought that it excelled into more of like a grosser perversion thing.
	Yikes.
	Yeah.
	Big yikes.
	Okay.
	That was pretty cool.
	Did you mention the random women's feet part?
	Did you mention that?
	You said there were on this phone, there were a random story.
	Yeah, but it's from legal stalls.
	Like bathroom stalls.
	Like in the bathroom stalls.
	Okay.
	You disagree with rating women.
	Yeah, we already talked about that, though.
	Yeah, we did.
	Yeah, we did.
	Okay.
	Let's see.
	Dating in LA.
	Was there something on that you wanted to hit on?
	Dating in LA is honestly impossible, I think.
	Is it?
	Like, did we just be monogamous?
	Is it too big?
	No, because everybody knows everybody and everybody fucks everybody.
	Like, it's like, especially the group that we're in and stuff.
	Like, everyone, it's kind of like the same.
	Most of it, yeah.
	But not.
	I don't know.
	I would probably move to the SGV.
	What's that?
	If you know, you know.
	Oh, okay.
	I guess I don't want to know.
	All right, good talk.
	All right.
	Mads.
	Yeah.
	The Harry Styles impersonator.
	Yeah.
	I went out with this guy and he was a Harry Styles impersonator.
	And he used that to make content on OF.
	And I had no idea.
	He also lived in Canada, so I never met him before.
	I don't know if he was even real.
	And he had been talking to my other friend in Denver and he scammed her out of $3,000.
	Oh.
	Whoa.
	Yeah.
	Damn.
	How?
	I don't know.
	I guess she.
	How do you give $3,000 to someone you don't know?
	I don't know.
	But yeah, that was crazy.
	That's my craziest little dating story.
	I really know what it is.
	What else did you have to fill that I just watched?
	Bag of Blow.
	Bag bag?
	Or bags?
	Bags.
	More.
	Exactly.
	Eggs.
	Yeah.
	And I guess he had come to Denver to see her.
	I never saw him in person, but he slept outside her apartment on a bench.
	Yeah.
	All right.
	That's cool.
	You said body count doesn't matter, but did we debate that?
	No, I think we talked about it.
	I just said I don't give a fuck about it.
	That's all I said.
	Don't give a fuck.
	So would you fuck a guy who just fucked like 50 chicks in the past 24 hours?
	I don't.
	I was not even talking about that.
	So she thinks it's possible.
	Like some mid-average dudes.
	She's going bang 50.
	I didn't say 50.
	I said three.
	Oh.
	You said three.
	You did not say 50.
	I mean, earlier I said I'm a one-vibe person and I just want to share that mutual respect with someone else.
	Yeah.
	So, but like, you wouldn't disqualify a guy for like high body count then?
	No, of course not.
	But like, what if every day before he met you, he was having sex with a new girl?
	So he's been going through something.
	I don't know.
	Well, how'd you get that guy in a relationship if you're, you know.
	It would be hard to.
	Yeah.
	But of course, I don't judge by someone's past.
	You said biggest icks in a relationship.
	We'll go, we'll open this to the whole panel.
	Biggest icks.
	Yeah, I wanted to.
	We'll start with you, and then we'll start with Morgan and then go to the next one.
	Wait a second.
	Did you say what your body count was?
	I said less than five.
	Oh, less than five?
	Yeah, only people I've really been involved with at the time, like a relationship or.
	Stop the cow.
	No, Nick.
	Sorry about that.
	Nick, come on, bruh.
	It's okay.
	It's okay.
	Yeah, it's okay, Nick.
	She forgives you for pressing the button that made that noise just come through.
	It was definitely not Nick.
	It was definitely Nick.
	Wait, yeah, okay.
	Wait, was Nick here when you were on?
	Yeah, I think I got like scared of a question that somebody asked on there, so I just threw Nick under the bus and like said I would date him or something because I was just nervous to answer the question that came through or whatever.
	Yeah, you were kind of like crushing on Nick a little bit.
	I literally just needed an out, so I used Nick.
	I'm sorry for using you, Nick.
	Lol Paladins.
	For Girl in Pink, I've had sex with about 450 women.
	Want to be blank.
	Hey, body count doesn't matter, right?
	Want to be.
	I don't think you'd actually have a chance with me, so.
	There you go.
	Shut it down.
	Boom, roasted.
	Sorry, Lol Paladins.
	Oh, wait, hold on.
	There's also.
	Wait, I gotta.
	Yeah.
	Good one, Morgan.
	Press, hold on.
	I'm gonna pull this one up.
	Hold on, guys.
	Lol Paladins, you were providing for him.
	Why didn't you marry him?
	You could have paid him alimony for years.
	Lol Paladins has been assigned to sound, so I give him a sound.
	I don't know who that's directed to, though.
	It was on L talking about that guy.
	Yeah, that was a long time ago.
	We don't like you, Dylan, by the way.
	For Girl in Pink.
	Oh, he was saying, want to be 451.
	That was blurred out.
	He slept with 450, want to be 451.
	Hell no.
	Okay.
	Cool.
	Okay.
	Good to know.
	Biggest icks.
	Why don't you start?
	I went out with this guy and he played video games like 15 hours a day.
	That was the biggest ick.
	That's all.
	15 hours a day.
	What game?
	Elden Ring.
	Which I love Elden Ring.
	Okay, I have like Lord of the Rings tattoos.
	Like, I can't hate too much.
	But yeah, he was like locked in all the time.
	Okay.
	That's my biggest thing.
	Didn't have a life outside of video games.
	No.
	Word.
	Morgan.
	What did you tell me about that?
	Biggest ick.
	Biggest ick.
	In a relationship.
	Major, like, mama's voice.
	I know that might sound bad.
	Yeah.
	Mama's voice.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	No, but like to like a bad extent.
	Yeah.
	You can like love your mom, but like, yeah.
	She makes it a bad extent.
	Sheila.
	Well, it's like when you expect your significant other to be your mother.
	Mel.
	Is it true for Melissa?
	Yes.
	Is it?
	Okay, just checking.
	Biggest ick.
	Biggest ick.
	That's really hard.
	I know.
	Because I probably wouldn't date them.
	Like, are you talking about in a relationship?
	No, just in general.
	Yeah, it could just be in general.
	Yeah, you don't have to.
	Just like if a guy or does something, it gives you the ick.
	Yeah.
	Biggest.
	The biggest ick.
	Just like feminine men.
	Feminine men.
	Oh, really?
	Feminine men.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Can you sing the Australian national anthem? Andrew asked.
	Andrew sent me a text and he's like, I might believe Australia is a real country if she sings the national anthem.
	Go ahead.
	No.
	Do you not know it?
	I do.
	If I sing it with you, will you do it?
	No.
	You know it?
	And if she doesn't know it, then they don't know it, Brian, because it doesn't exist.
	Yeah, exactly.
	It's all giant coasts.
	She owns a New Zealand national anthem, I bet.
	New Zealand.
	Let him cook, let him cook.
	Yeah.
	Hey, hey, so I need some jumps.
	God save New Zealand.
	Is that real?
	I hope he does.
	Okay, y'all.
	Should we sing the Australian?
	You ready?
	I'll do it.
	You're doing it.
	You're doing with me.
	I'm just going to start.
	You have to sing with me.
	Okay.
	Australians.
	I'm going to start slow so you can ease into it.
	Ready?
	Australians all let.
	Oh, voice crap.
	Wait, ready?
	I think that's God telling you not to.
	One more time.
	One more chance.
	Okay, ready?
	Australians all let us rejoice.
	Bro, you can't just leave me in.
	I'm enjoying it.
	Do it with me.
	You sounded wonderful.
	I'm enjoying it.
	You're doing a great job.
	Told you, Brian, none of them know it.
	None of them know it.
	Brian's a real country.
	It's not a real country.
	It's not real.
	He knows it.
	I just made it up.
	Yeah, that's what I thought.
	Yeah.
	You just freestyled it.
	Actually, we should just not move on until she sings it.
	We'll be here all night.
	Don't know.
	What if she's got a beautiful, this could be, you might, listen, you're two hours away.
	You're two hours away from Los Angeles.
	You could be discovered as the next new hot Australian singer.
	Lol Paladins donated $200.
	What's wrong with Elden Ring?
	She was already 449 and she's just salty about the game being more important than her.
	I guess 451 is censored ironically because of the book.
	Yo, thank you, Lol Paladins.
	What was wrong with Elden Ring?
	I said no hate to it.
	I have literally Lord of the Rings tattoos.
	I love it.
	Who's your favorite Lord of the Rings character?
	Legolas.
	Who?
	Legolas?
	Which one?
	Like the Peter Jackson Legolas or like some other Legolas?
	Blonde one.
	Like from the movie.
	From the movie.
	From Lord of the Rings.
	What was the actor's name?
	It was Orlando Bloom.
	Orlando Bloom.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	He's awesome.
	We're not singing it.
	We're not going to do a duet.
	Okay.
	All right.
	I'm also looking forward to it.
	I'm going to make you sing it after the show, though, off camera.
	How about that?
	All right.
	Biggest ick.
	Weak men.
	Weak men.
	Like, physically weak or weak constitution of mind.
	A weak man that cannot be a leader of his of his family and his relationship.
	Okay, that's fair.
	What about you?
	I agree with her and I agree with and I agree with you.
	I just think just men that like are not confident in themselves, men that are like very like weak, like I guess you could say like pick me men.
	I guess you could say like me men.
	Oh, like I'm not like that handsome.
	I'm not that good.
	Like, no, have confidence in yourself.
	Leave with confidence.
	If that makes sense.
	Did that come off?
	Great.
	Yeah.
	I will allow your answer.
	I appreciate that.
	Thank you for asking for my approval.
	Yeah, of course.
	Anytime.
	Okay.
	What about you, Al?
	Biggest ick.
	Like a physical ick that just grosses me out whenever I look at a man's nails and they've got a bunch of dirt underneath them.
	That's disgusting to me.
	And usually you never understand how many men do not clip their nails and clean it.
	Did I just check it like a moment?
	No, but like if it's like a special on the date.
	If you check it like this or like if you check it like that.
	This is this I thought this was gay.
	I thought this was gay.
	I'm pretty sure this was the gay one.
	I'm pretty sure there's no gay way to check your nails.
	No, there's definitely a game.
	Okay, not gay.
	We'll say feminine way, I guess, is a bad thing.
	I don't know.
	I feel like I look at my nails both ways whenever I look at them.
	But like this is how you look underneath your nail.
	Andrew, show us your nails.
	Show us.
	Nice and close.
	Zoom in on Andrew's.
	Only if I get the Australian national anthem.
	Come on, we want the nails.
	He will also reveal his body count.
	And then like a.
	Okay, I don't want to know either of those things.
	I would love to know.
	I like girls.
	She's Nakia.
	She's strong in her ways.
	Oh, sorry.
	No, go for it.
	And then I think, like, if we're talking like an actual like ick, more less superficial than that, I would say somebody with poor communication.
	Like, I think that the way that you argue with your partner or someone that you're seeing says a lot about who they are in the relationship that you'll have together.
	So if you can't have like a mature, level-headed conversation where you're just speaking rather than yelling, I think that's a really big ick if a guy can't just have like that easy, gentle communication with me.
	Word.
	Okay.
	Alex, what about you?
	Biggest ick.
	Well, to me, it's really when they're just all talk and just like pretenses and like promises, but no follow-through whatsoever on any level.
	All words, no actions.
	Yeah, like all words, but like not a single action.
	Yep.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	You answered right.
	What about you?
	Biggest ick.
	You're about a mile away from the microphone, just letting me know.
	Biggest ick for me would probably be like super macho-y bravada type guys.
	That's an ick for me.
	What do you mean?
	Can you explain?
	Just macho.
	I don't know.
	Like Johnny Bravo.
	Yeah, I don't know.
	I personally, I know you said don't like it, but I love feminine boys.
	I agree.
	I love a feminine boy, but as long as I can also be allowed to tap into my feminine energy.
	Do you think that works, though?
	It could.
	It does.
	It very well could.
	I've dated nothing but feminine guys.
	So who's going to take the masculine role?
	Does there have to be one?
	Yeah, exactly.
	You could just be nurturers towards each other.
	It doesn't have to be like that, doesn't it?
	Someone has to lead.
	Someone has to lead.
	Someone's got to lead.
	That's why I said feminine.
	You know, there's a balance.
	There has to be a balance, of course.
	So you're both going to be both parts.
	Yeah, there's a balance.
	Of course.
	What's the problem?
	Oh, go ahead.
	You got a question.
	Bye, balance, Daniel.
	Balance.
	What about you, Brian?
	Biggest ick.
	What's the biggest ick, Brian?
	Oh, my gosh.
	Before I give my biggest dick, I'm just curious for the two girls here who like feminine boys.
	Have y'all pegged a dude before?
	No.
	No, I have not.
	Just be honest.
	No.
	You don't have to lie to me.
	No.
	You don't need to.
	Don't do that.
	Don't lie to me.
	I can see it in your eyes.
	No.
	Are you being honest?
	Yes.
	I have.
	You're looking me dead.
	Thank you for volunteering that information.
	I appreciate that.
	W her for just coming clean.
	I mean, they were, but they were like.
	How many men have you pegged?
	Only one.
	But I got asked three times.
	You asked you?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, and I got asked by three different men.
	Oh, damn, so you turned down.
	You're selective with who you peg.
	Oh, yeah, 100%.
	You turn down two of the three.
	Yeah.
	Only one of them deserved you to.
	Oh, yeah, because I do not trade that.
	I'm not the biggest fan of that kind of role.
	I'm more of a submission.
	You have to really care about the guy to be willing to peg him.
	Oh, yeah.
	He has to be special to you.
	Oh, yeah.
	For you to do those things to his anus.
	Very, very special.
	You need to have a very good dildup.
	Oh.
	Whoa.
	Why'd you got to take it, Philip?
	You know who started the sentence?
	I don't know.
	You should touch it.
	I don't think that's where he was going with that sentence.
	I can only.
	Is that how that works?
	From Russia with love?
	Oh, yeah.
	A lot of love.
	So much love.
	In Soviet Russia.
	In Soviet Russia, there's.
	In Soviet Russia, a woman fucks you.
	Wow.
	Okay.
	Oh, my biggest icks.
	Hmm.
	Ick.
	My biggest ick.
	She, uh, god damn it.
	I don't know, man.
	I'm trying to think of something.
	See, it's hard on the spot.
	Biggest ick.
	Quarrelsome.
	If she's quarrelsome.
	Oh.
	Oh.
	What does that mean?
	Argues.
	Argumentative.
	Someone not easygoing.
	It's more like picks a fight at everything.
	Just, yeah, like, I would say that's a good way to frame it.
	Quarrelsome.
	Argumentative.
	Just five.
	Just manifests arguments out of the ether over nothing.
	It's just annoying.
	No one likes it.
	How do you live like that?
	I dated a girl once, and she got mad that I dated a girl before I even knew who she was.
	She was like, I'm upset that you dated her.
	I'm like, I didn't even know you then.
	And she's like, I'm just, she didn't even know the chick.
	She was just like, how could you have cheated on me before I fucking met you?
	So was she rude person that if she had a dream about you cheating, like, she'd get multiple girls dream about me cheating, and then they blame me for the cheating on them in the dream.
	What do you do with that situation?
	Do you apologize?
	Do you just be like, that wasn't like, that's you?
	No.
	What do you think?
	Apparently, I don't care.
	Like, what do I do?
	Or what should a guy do?
	What did you do?
	Like, in general, both.
	I'm just like, that's insane.
	I understand.
	I'll know about y'all, but if, like, what?
	I'm asking her.
	She put my cup back.
	Is this woman?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	What do I do?
	I mean, so if it's, like, bogus, I just walk away.
	I'm like, uh-oh.
	Grabs the rookie.
	Got a blast.
	I'm dipping.
	So you just ghost them.
	Huh?
	So you just ghost them?
	Like, you just.
	Well, I guess it depends on the context.
	Like, I just.
	I might politely tell her to shut up.
	No, I'm kidding.
	Politely.
	Shut up.
	I'd just be like.
	Oh, yeah, well, you cheated on me in my dream last night.
	So you turned the table.
	So now what?
	Now what?
	Now what?
	And it was a threesome.
	And it was a Bukaki.
	So who's really the worst offender here?
	Oh, 100%.
	So I just flip it on her.
	Perfect.
	I'm just like, yeah.
	I don't think that's what I actually did, though, in this situation.
	I don't know.
	I was just like.
	As the dream.
	I was like, oh, cool.
	I like fucked up a shark in my dream yesterday.
	I don't know.
	What does that mean?
	Like, literally, I was in the ocean and I fought a shark.
	Like, I fucked him up.
	So you didn't go on the boat with the two men.
	I didn't need rescuing.
	I just didn't need it.
	I fucking knocked the sh.
	I slapped the shark.
	Do you have a recording all that?
	Okay, so you didn't fuck a shark.
	You fucked it up.
	Yeah, that's what I said.
	Okay, I completely misheard it.
	I'm so sorry.
	No, that was the girl from last week who fucked, who was with dolphins.
	Oh, yeah.
	No, literally, we had a girl.
	I saw the title.
	I thought it was a picture of the girl.
	I think she has romantic feelings towards dolphins.
	But I don't think she's had carnal knowledge of a dolphin.
	But we did have a dolphin communicator on the show.
	Was it Tuesday?
	Last week?
	Morgan?
	Yeah, Morgan.
	Yeah.
	Morgan knows.
	Well, she could talk to me.
	Well, they're really sexual.
	She could talk to all animals.
	What the fuck?
	Okay, anyways, moving on.
	Biggest ick.
	The actual dolphins.
	That's right.
	Biggest ick.
	Damn.
	Didn't you say people picking arguments for like the reason?
	Wasn't that your it?
	Oh, quarrelsome.
	Wait, no.
	Yes.
	That's what you said.
	Yeah.
	I wasn't even an ick, though.
	Well, I didn't say my biggest ick.
	It's just like an ick in general.
	Yeah.
	Like one of the top three.
	Yeah, because there would be several.
	You're smacking.
	You hate that.
	Oh, well, that's not.
	I think anyone can do that, not just a partner.
	I just hate the sound of chewing or any repetitive noise, to be honest.
	I'm like, I'm chewing.
	Going to you, Alex.
	You, in your pre-show notes, you said.
	Hang on, hang on.
	You didn't actually answer, Brian, the biggest ick question.
	I thought he did.
	Yeah.
	The quarrels.
	Kind of avoided the question there.
	Well, the quarrels look quarrelsome women.
	Oh, okay.
	That's the biggest ick.
	Yeah, like an argumentative woman that just wants to argue for a reason.
	Andrew, your biggest dick?
	Ooh, yes.
	Oh, yeah.
	Oh, man.
	I have a list a mile long.
	Do you want to hear them all?
	Okay, let's just start with women who say woman instead of women because they're stupid.
	That's one of my biggest dicks.
	Let's move over to when women bother you when you're in the middle of doing something that's actually important with a bunch of English prattle about personal bullshit that I don't care about.
	That would be too.
	Let's move over from there to women who have vocal fries and say like every other word.
	The vocal fry, along with like and little like makes me want to grab the closest dagger and begin to gouge myself in the face with it.
	That's what I consider icks.
	But I have so many.
	Would you like me to keep going?
	That's one of the reasons why I can't watch reality TV sometimes.
	They just say, oh, yeah.
	They just say like, over and over again.
	I don't know.
	Or they say, like, what's the word?
	And then they go off on a completely different tangent.
	And you're just like, why?
	I can, maybe I'll add one.
	If they talk poorly about people, not in their presence, that's an ick.
	Oh, on her.
	That's bad.
	I don't like that in anybody.
	Yeah.
	That's just bad morals.
	Yeah, that's just a bad character.
	Going to Alex, you said that why do the ho- Wait, why, but these two girls, didn't both of you just name exes that she didn't like?
	And they're not here to defend themselves.
	Who, me?
	Oh, he doesn't.
	Yeah.
	No, no, no.
	No, we both did.
	Yeah, 100%.
	But they are you going to defend a person that was taking pictures of someone that's.
	I'm not going to say that.
	Well, I don't know.
	First of all, I'm not just going to take people's words.
	I'm not going to just take people's words for anything.
	I'm not familiar with the situation.
	They asked for our craziest dating experience.
	But that was a way for you to obfuscate away from the fact that Brian said when people are running other people down, they're not present, you're like, yeah.
	Yeah, I don't like it.
	And you just did it, right?
	He asked us for our craziest dating story.
	That's our craziest dating story.
	It's a question that we were asked on the show.
	I mean, you just did engage in that.
	I'm just pointing that out.
	That's all I'm saying.
	And when I, and if we don't engage in it, then we get asked to engage more and more and more.
	So, of course, we're going to.
	He asked for our experiences.
	Well, I mean, did the experience require you to name the person?
	No, but.
	No.
	But you wanted to make damn sure that you named him.
	But also, I didn't give like a full government.
	I didn't give a full government or his app or anything like that.
	Yeah, but you could have had like an obscure, you could have told the craziest dating story, kept him totally anonymous, but instead you chose to name him so that you could run him down while he wasn't here to defend himself on a large platform.
	And the way he would defend himself is by punching me in the ribs.
	He's literally in jail right now, isn't he?
	He can't.
	Yeah.
	Well, I'm just, I'm pointing, I'm just pointing it out.
	That's a word.
	Don't ask questions about my dating life if you don't want me to explain the answers to the questions.
	You know what I'm saying?
	Like, Brian wasn't mad about it.
	Word.
	Word.
	Well, I'm not mad about anything.
	I'm just explaining to you and expressing to you that at the same time that you say, hey, yeah, that's bad when people do this.
	You just engaged in it a few minutes ago.
	I just nodded my head.
	How dare you?
	Yeah.
	How dare you?
	My bad for answering a question that was asked of me.
	I am sox him.
	Nobody asked you to dox him and then drop the dox and then go after it.
	Nobody said a full government.
	I said the most Shane and Doan are the most fucking generic ass names.
	No, no, there's nobody thinks dropped.
	He'll know who he is.
	Oh, there's just tons of what was his babyface rabbit?
	Yeah, there's just tons and oodles and oodles.
	Like, what are you talking about?
	Like, who the fuck cares?
	I didn't care about your opinion.
	Rude.
	Oh, well, it got me.
	Oh, I don't care about your opinion.
	I don't.
	Oh, you got me.
	Moving things on.
	Brutal, brutal.
	Moving things on, Alex, you want to use something about dating around because there's this, we won't get into the details, but you said moral of the story, that's why it's important to understand your needs and priorities and not just listen to others, but observe them and the overall date around to understand how humans work and not just assume a status of a relationship and actually date around.
	Oh, yeah, the last part was a typo.
	I was really tired.
	I haven't slept in a while.
	I work nights.
	What was the typo?
	The last part of the date around, I just meant to type it in once.
	But you wrote date around twice.
	Yeah, which was the.
	But so you're in favor of dating around, isn't it?
	Well, yes.
	As I've mentioned on the last time I was here, I don't think that people should be monogamous from the very beginning.
	Like it should be established.
	How soon should it become monogamous or just never?
	It depends on the people because the thing is, is that with dating around, you can actually find the people that you truly connect with and you can meet a bigger variety of people and learn what you accept from them.
	But, but, oh, you got more?
	But what?
	You got more?
	I mean, I do have more, but what?
	Well, couldn't you still?
	I mean, you could date one person at a time, and if it works, then you're in a relationship.
	If it doesn't, you can just go date somebody else.
	So why do you need to date five people at the same time, sleep with three people at the same time?
	You don't need to date around.
	You don't need to, but you're.
	Okay, your prescription is date around.
	So, but like, you can go to dates and not sleep with anybody, not be intimate with anybody.
	It's about getting to know the intimate parts of the human being and the soul that the person is and who they are and how they gives me the wait.
	What?
	Do what then the first date?
	On the first date, I want to just feel their soul.
	Well, yes, because I want to understand who they are as a soul.
	And if we actually connect on a deeper level.
	While you're like, you have simultaneous romantic and sexual interest in like five other people, there's going to be a deep soul connection when you're like being fucked by another dude.
	Because you don't think about being fucked by another dude.
	You're being present in the moment with whomever you're with.
	And I'm not saying that everyone should be dating around like five people at a time.
	That's what worked for me.
	And that's how I'm in a wonderful monogamous relationship now.
	Gotten into that relationship had you not been dating around?
	No, I actually would not have because I would not have learned what I want from the partner, from the person that I'm dating.
	How many people do you need a date to know what is good?
	Well, considering that I literally didn't think that I could feel love until I was 20 and I never felt happiness until I was 18 physically.
	Didn't you say you hung out with bears in your youth, but you weren't happy then?
	I wasn't actually happy.
	But you loved bears.
	I thought bears were your favorite animal.
	And you, like, cuddled with them and hanging out with the bears.
	Yeah, it was comforting, but because, again...
	You didn't feel happiness in that moment when you were present with the bear?
	Because I was never present.
	The thing is, is that I've lived my entire childhood in pain, so pain was always present.
	So if you want to go there, you know, the feelings are very complicated things.
	All right, so, but your prescriptive advice is to date around.
	I do think that people should not just, especially during the first like couple of dates, should not just go exclusively monogamous with the one person because that way they can compare and contrast what they accept for themselves.
	I have to give a counter prescription to men here.
	Men, if after the first date, if she wants a second date with you, all the other men have to be a rep. Point blank, period.
	If you want a second date with me, the other dudes have to be a rap because I'm going to extend to you the same exact thing.
	And I think that it gives it the highest likelihood of succeeding.
	It gives the relationship the highest likelihood of succeeding.
	But then what if you date, let's say, for a month and then you realize, oh, this is actually not the person who I thought I met on that first date?
	But that's a waste of time.
	Wouldn't it be a waste of time if I was also like, how is it a waste of time?
	Well, because you are putting all of your energy into that one other person.
	I'm putting like 5% of my energy into her and then 95% of my energy into the other things going on in my life that are not other women.
	loving energy so it's like I ain't loving a woman in the first month What?
	Okay, the caring, the compassion, the attention, for example, because the thing that I've noticed specifically in the monogamous.
	She gets my minimum attention, but okay.
	Okay, well, see, that's your problem.
	Because in all the polyamorous relationships that I have been in, we have gotten really close really fast.
	I've gotten to know them very fast, who they are.
	Yeah, but none of them worked out, right?
	We're actually all really good friends.
	It didn't work out.
	Yeah, so the none of the relationships worked out?
	Well, okay, the thing is, is that I don't want long-term relationships.
	And the fact that I am in one right now is very surprising to me.
	I'm still shocked.
	You never don't want long-term relationships, but you're in one right now.
	Did I hear that?
	In a monogamous relationship, by the way.
	I've never been.
	I'm not in a monogamous relationship that you don't want.
	Did I hear that right?
	No, I said I didn't want that at the time.
	I didn't know that I could possibly feel that way.
	And I didn't realize what, you know, like if you meet that one person and it clicks, you know, and sometimes it doesn't.
	But then at the same time, he's fucking dying.
	Like, so it's like, it's not going to last.
	All right.
	So it's like dying.
	Oh, that's right.
	You told us how he's going to be.
	Are you in his will?
	Do you get everything?
	No, I don't get everything because it's not about the will or what comes after it.
	Yeah, but are you in the will?
	He's present in the moment.
	I have no idea.
	Wouldn't that be a waste of time?
	No, no.
	No, because it's about being present.
	I am enjoying my job.
	That was actually a very good point, Morgan made.
	Knowing full well is he's he has a terminal illness.
	Yes.
	And we are helping each other with our health.
	He is mentoring me with my businesses.
	He is helping me move forward as a person.
	Let me fix that.
	I've got a little fluffy.
	Little elf.
	Damn, bro.
	What the?
	Maddie, get the scissors.
	Get the scissors, Maddie.
	So it's like prior to meeting him, I was working two, three jobs at a time.
	I was seeing multiple people.
	I always tried to keep myself busy and pushing myself.
	And then I realized I have more in common with a man who's dying than with most people.
	Doesn't that defeat your argument about the whole wasting your time, though?
	No, because if I haven't gone through everything, all the relationships that I have and then have met all the people that I have met, I would not have accepted this as a reality at all.
	What's your guy than you, by the way?
	He's twice my age.
	He's twice your age and he's dying.
	Yes.
	And you were working.
	I just want to make sure I can clarify a couple of things.
	I'll get you in just a sec.
	You were working multiple jobs before you met him and now you're not?
	Well, right now I am working like a couple of nights a week in hospitality and then I'm also growing my art as an artist in residence at his house because I've been living there.
	So he has money, right?
	Not really.
	It's because it's not about the money.
	Like he doesn't give me money.
	Like if I ask for something, you know, he might get it for me.
	But it's like, I don't, it's not about the money.
	I don't care about the money.
	Everything that I earn, like I can buy whatever I want.
	And I'm an artist.
	You can buy whatever you want with your couple of nights a week job.
	No, I'm an artist and I'm a creative consultant as well.
	So he has helped me start my brand, my company.
	Did he happen to pay for that stuff?
	No.
	He didn't pay for any of that.
	He bought me a few canvases.
	Oh, okay.
	Well, you live with him.
	So he didn't.
	Well, and I do live with him, but I also actually pay for my own rent in Inventura.
	So I actually do have a place that I can stay at.
	You know, like I'm just staying there because I want to, and that's the whole thing.
	At this particular moment, I want to be with him this entire time over the past few years.
	This place in Ventura, is this a house or an apartment or a small studio that you rent for your art?
	Or what is this place in Ventura?
	I'm just renting a room from a family friend and it has everything that I, the majority of stuff I have.
	And my guess is this gentleman's house is much nicer than that place in Ventura.
	Oh, yeah, by far.
	It actually overlooks, it's very nature-based, which brings both of us a lot of peace.
	And that's what it's all about, about being in our health, being at peace, and just accepting what it is and trying to move forward and try to be happy and support each other, consult each other.
	And it just, it is what it is.
	So again, I mean, it doesn't, it doesn't sound I mean, just I want you to hear it from my end, okay?
	Yeah.
	I'm with a man who's twice my age with a much nicer house than mine that I live with, who saved me from working multiple jobs.
	But really, what I care about is his health.
	And that's really what it is.
	Yes, it is true that I know he's going to die soon, but it's not about the money.
	And I'm sure that if I'm included in the will, which will be a big surprise to me because it's just not about the money, you know, I just, I couldn't comment on whether I will be or not.
	But let me just ask you this one last clarifying question.
	If you had to guess, just if you had to guess, right?
	I have no idea.
	I'm looking for an actual guess here.
	Are you going to be in the will?
	So I am welcome to stay with his sister who is going to be alive and she is disabled and also his oldest girlfriend who is his successor trustee, who is also going to be overlooking over her health.
	I'm welcome to stay with them on the house.
	I have a place there and all three of them have said it.
	That wasn't his question.
	Yeah, are you?
	But my question.
	He does not have a will.
	Yeah, if he has a trust.
	If you had to guess, are you going to be in the will?
	Again, I am a part, I will be written into that I can stay in the house.
	Oh, forever?
	I'm not going to say it any place forever.
	So like if they were to sell the house, would you get a piece of it?
	So they actually cannot sell the house per the trust laws or rules that aren't that much.
	Wow, that's mighty convenient.
	So you get this really, really nice place that nobody can.
	I get a room.
	I get a room.
	I don't get a whole place.
	You do get the whole place.
	If you live there, you rent a room.
	You still get to use the bathroom, the kitchen, the laundry, the living room.
	But I don't get my own place.
	You don't get your own place that you own, but you do get to like.
	Yeah, I get to live there.
	Yeah.
	Are your plans after he dies is to live there?
	I know you said you're welcome to, but are there for a while until I figure out where else I would want to go?
	Do you have your own place?
	I really, really hate Ventura.
	I really, really hate Ventura.
	Or you just like the house that he has.
	Oh, I absolutely love the house that he has.
	It, again, overlooks the most beautiful view in Santa Barbara.
	Why are you paying for the room in Ventura?
	Because I have to store my stuff somewhere.
	Get a storage unit.
	Oh.
	I don't want to.
	Okay, what I'm paying for the room is actually less than storage.
	I pay $50.
	Oh, my God.
	It's hard to get the hell cash.
	I agree.
	I agree.
	It does not matter.
	Wait, so.
	But in any case, your thing is don't date around.
	I have to disagree.
	I think I know you disagree.
	I disagree.
	And not just from the male perspective, I would advise men to kind of try to just do one at a time, but also you have to disqualify women who don't do that.
	Who don't date just one person at a time?
	Yeah.
	So, first date, oh, you want a second date?
	It has to be a wrap with other dudes.
	Yes, and that's what you so.
	So, the first date is where you get all the kinks out, and that was kind of my main kinks into it.
	That early on, or we could.
	Well, you could if you actually, depending on the kinks, you know, perhaps you should.
	All right, good, good talk, good talk.
	But I'm just saying, boys, you don't have to tolerate a woman dating multiple dudes.
	No, you don't.
	No, you shouldn't.
	No, and you shouldn't.
	If that's not what you want, then don't do it.
	And that's what the first date is for.
	You get to know who the other person is with and whether or not you live.
	So then, if you know, if you know by the if you know by the first date, if you like want would be with them, why would you keep going with other people?
	But I didn't know by the first date that you said, but that's kind of what you're saying.
	You said you knew their vibe.
	That's what you yeah, I know their vibe, but I also love all the other people too.
	Like, I can okay, love is in it's it's so like overwhelmingly huge for me.
	Like, I just love well, touching, okay.
	Actually, it is.
	I have not think I could feel love until I was 16, and I was pushed to say it.
	I was literally, okay, well, I was very disconnected with my feelings.
	I was always dissociating, always dissociating, and you know, it is what it is, and like I'm okay with it now.
	I was asked the question, I'm just answering it.
	I'll just say, uh, gentlemen, our good friend here, Amber, she's currently, you said you're sleeping with 10 to 15 people, not necessarily sleeping, but yeah, I see a good amount of people, a good amount of people in a given week.
	Uh, I mean, look, you're free to do it.
	My prescriptive advice for men is that is a totally intolerable situation, even if you're inclined to have casual sex.
	Uh, I don't think you should even be having casual sex.
	Well, you shouldn't be having casual sex, but you shouldn't be having casual sex with women who are having casual sex with other men.
	Not necessarily, some guys are open-minded to it, and some guys are into it recently.
	Sure, that's exactly what I mean.
	I mean, I most of the guys I see are bisexual, so you know, they just kind of like that's fine, but I just for me personally, even if I wanted to have a one-night stand with a girl and she was down, I was down.
	If I knew that she was sleeping with other men, I would just totally lose interest.
	Really?
	I wouldn't even want to have even if casual sex was on the table, even if, let me double down on this, even if she was the most beautiful woman in the world, beautiful face, best body imaginable.
	If she's currently sleeping with another guy, it is a hundred percent a deal breaker whether I'm interested in a short-term fling or long-term relationship.
	And that's your balance.
	If she's sexually involved with another dude, it's a rapporteur.
	But what if she's sleeping with another guy who's also sleeping with another guy, Brian?
	Well, it's, I mean, why does it make a difference?
	Still, still know if she's still sleeping with a girl now.
	Yeah, so, anyways, moving on, moving on.
	Really?
	You sleep with dudes who slept with dudes and are sleeping with dudes?
	Like, really?
	That's a thing?
	What?
	Of course it is.
	What's wrong with that?
	There's a lot of bisexual men.
	A lot of penmen.
	I don't even know what sexuality.
	I wouldn't even define myself.
	I don't know.
	I'm very open-minded.
	You're pansexual.
	Yeah.
	What does that mean?
	Pansexual just means, ugh God, I hate.
	Okay.
	I don't understand.
	It's not.
	Bisexual is like men and women.
	Pansexual also includes gender-fluid people or transgenders as well.
	Which as a bio, actually.
	That makes sense.
	Yeah, way by whatever.
	Oh, have you dated a trans individual?
	Dated?
	No, maybe hooked up.
	Yeah.
	Not dated.
	Dated, no, had sex.
	Had the sex.
	Do you?
	Okay, we won't linger on this one.
	Going around the table.
	Did they have the full thing?
	Did the whole surgery and everything?
	No, no.
	Would you, would you, though?
	Huh?
	Yeah.
	Did they have the full surgery?
	Yeah, no, I don't care.
	Yeah.
	People are people.
	As long as the sensory is good, that's all that matters to me.
	So, going around the table, do you think it's wrong for a man?
	I didn't even want to bring it here, but y'all brought it up.
	I have to.
	You baited me into asking this question.
	Do you think it would be wrong for a man to not want to date a transgender woman?
	It's really someone's preference.
	I agree.
	It's all about preference.
	It's about preference.
	Yeah, 100%.
	Always.
	I think that who you choose to date is completely and totally up to you.
	Yeah.
	I think.
	Can you repeat the question?
	Because I agree with you, but I was like.
	Oh, wrong.
	Is it wrong for a man to not want to date a transgender woman because, I should have said that, because she's trans?
	No, personally.
	Nope.
	Nope.
	M-Dog.
	No.
	I feel like you should maybe frame this question in like a single-yeah, I feel like, oh, he really likes her.
	They started dating already, but he fights.
	Or like it was changed halfway through the changes.
	Obviously, like, preference.
	Yeah.
	We've had people argue that it is objectionable, though.
	Really?
	To this question, yes.
	I mean, okay.
	I think that if you're a straight man and you're dating a transgender woman, that you're that doesn't make you gay.
	You're still straight.
	Okay, that was going to be my next question.
	Is that what you mean?
	Because I don't think that makes you gay.
	If they're fully transitioned, then they are a trans woman and they're still a woman.
	Yeah, okay, so that's you're having sex with someone that looks, appears, and is and identifies as a woman.
	Hold on.
	So that is actually the follow-up question that I've been forgetting to ask for a while now.
	I feel like that's more so what I'm saying.
	So, yes, going around the table.
	Is it straight for a male who is not trans to have sex with a male who is a transgender woman?
	I keep that ring.
	But that's not a male then.
	It's a transgender woman.
	No, it's still a male.
	And are they fully transitioned?
	There's only wrong.
	It's not wrong.
	I feel like it's not wrong to have a preference and to not want to date somebody who is transitioning or transit or transgender overall.
	Like that is your preference.
	You have, you know, the right to like be like, oh, that's not for me personally.
	But if, but I also don't, like, I already said, yeah, I don't think that that's gay at all.
	Well, okay, so, but you said fully transitioned, right?
	So what if they didn't fully transition?
	I mean, then, I don't know, that's like a go with, you just be respectful.
	Yeah.
	Right, but hold on.
	We're not talking about respect.
	We're talking about, is it straight?
	But then what is sexuality?
	Yeah, you can't really define.
	Okay, hold on.
	You're talking to a bunch of people that are born in like early 2000s that don't like to just put all these labels of like being straight, gay.
	Like, you being straight, I think there's two genders.
	I mean, there's two W's in this game.
	There's two genders that you can be born.
	There's humor going up.
	No, there is men and there's women.
	I mean, I don't want to completely get into it.
	There's men, there's women.
	I think if you trans, I don't even know the word, transform into transgender.
	I know transition.
	No, transition.
	That's what I was saying.
	Like, transform, transition into that.
	You're still what you are biologically at birth.
	You just transfer it because you still have all like the man.
	Let's say you go from a man to a woman.
	You still have all the testosterone in there.
	You don't have as much estrogen.
	You don't have to.
	That's what medicine is.
	Yeah, that's what you mean.
	Yeah, but it's still not going to be 100%.
	Wait, it's okay.
	Here, let's just get a straight answer.
	Let's get a straight answer to the straight question.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Is it straight for a male to she's she's she brought it up and she's you're dipping?
	You're dipping.
	You got you got to hit the vape right now, bro.
	I answered both questions and my vape is dead.
	I fucking wish.
	You gotta wait.
	No, I wish.
	My vape's been dead for me.
	I'm out of there for you.
	All right.
	Bobka for the first time reading ever.
	Yo.
	Bobka, thank you for the raidman.
	I hope you had a good stream.
	And Nick, pull up Twitch.
	Why not?
	Pull up Twitch.
	We'll wait till Elle is back because we're not allowing her to weasel.
	She doesn't get to weasel out of this question.
	Yo, Bobka, thanks for the Raid Man, and I hope you're...
	When's Molten Core coming out, bro?
	Bobka, when's Molten Core SOD, Phase 4, World of Warcraft?
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	Maybe you don't have a Prime sub, but at least drop us a little follow in the chat.
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	Drop us a follow in the Prime Minister.
	And for our viewers, guys, it's been 15 minutes since we last got the Prime.
	I think it's bugged.
	Can somebody do a little test run, see if it's working?
	Okay, so is it straight for a man to hook up with a transgender woman?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Yes.
	I do believe it is based on a level of transitioning.
	Okay.
	All right.
	What about you?
	Flat out nope.
	Nope.
	Nope.
	No.
	No.
	Okay.
	And Elle, it was a yes for you, right?
	It is straight.
	I answered both questions.
	That's the only reason I went to go get go to the restroom.
	I answered both of the questions already before I walked away.
	So what was it?
	I. You want me to read.
	Okay.
	I said that if a man, if a shift man is dating a transgender woman and she's fully like it's not gay.
	Yeah, I said that.
	So can I?
	Okay, I've just got, we won't linger long on this.
	I just have a couple questions.
	So straight is short form slang for what?
	Heterosexual.
	Yeah.
	Heterosexual, right?
	So when we say homosexual, we mean same-sex relationship, right?
	Okay.
	You would agree that these people have not changed their sex, correct?
	If they've gone through drastic surgery to change their sex, then you can't change your sex.
	But they're biological.
	No.
	They're biologically not.
	They're biologically not.
	Yeah.
	Right.
	But so they can't do certain things that a woman can do, like have a baby or have a period.
	But homosexual means same-sex, right?
	Okay.
	Straight is short-form slang for heterosexual.
	So if homosexual means same-sex, same-sex relationship, then you could perhaps argue they've changed their gender, but you wouldn't argue that they changed their sex, right?
	So then, wouldn't it be the case if two males were dating, regardless of their gender, they're in a homosexual relationship?
	Yeah, if two males that are identify and have a penis.
	They could even both be transgender.
	I'm really confused by this identification.
	Why would the identification matter in this case?
	If homosexual, the definition is a very important thing.
	Because you're still straight if you're attracted to a woman.
	Hang on, hang on.
	Let me ask the question before you answer it.
	If homosexual means same sex, right?
	Same sex activity.
	If you're having sex with a member of the same sex, can you explain how that's not homosexual?
	I actually would like to know the answer.
	I'm saying that.
	If a man has a penis and is a man, like identifies as a man, is a man, and a transgender has had surgery and has a vagina, I don't think that you're gay for being attracted to somebody that has had surgery to get there to be a woman.
	Like, that's not gay to me.
	Like, you're still attracted.
	Gay men are attracted to other men all the time, right?
	But they're still gay.
	And that's fine.
	But if you're not a gay man and you're attracted to someone that looks, is, and on all other accounts other than being able to have a baby or have a period, then that's not gay in my opinion.
	That's all women are?
	No, I'm just saying that that's like, those are like the two big things that a transgender woman cannot do.
	But anything else is that that's what makes a woman.
	Yeah, but here's the problem with this recently.
	Let me see if I can't point it out real quick.
	Let's say a man was brutally mangled in a propeller accident on a boat and lost his genitalia.
	And afterwards, he had an estrogen spike, and so he grew breasts and he already had long hair and this kind of thing.
	You would not consider him a woman if he did not consider himself a woman, correct?
	Yeah, because he's not making, he's getting, he's in an accident.
	That's different.
	He's not actively making these surgeries.
	Yeah.
	So then all of this is based around self-identification.
	Because if I gave you somebody else who was trans, who had the same characteristics of the trans person you're talking about, you still would not consider that homosexual behavior.
	And that's what I don't understand.
	Same sex is same sex.
	Well, see, you're talking about a single accident.
	What she's talking about is the whole identity, including the sex and, you know, like an actual surgery, actual hormones, actually going through everything, reconditioning the body, because a lot of things go into completely transitioning.
	And it is very hard to do.
	Okay.
	And I'm willing to grant that.
	I'm willing to grant that you can have genital, you can have genital surgery, you can have surgery on your body, you can have hormone replacement, all of these things to fit what we would consider secondary sex characteristics for women.
	I'm going to not dispute that.
	But then you still also have to tangle with this idea that if that were to naturally occur for a male, you would not consider him not a male unless he considered himself not a male.
	So if we got a one-to-one comparison of a person had the same characteristics as somebody else who changed all those characteristics to be the thing, they would still be the same exact thing.
	So I actually have a question.
	Referring to any group of people as a thing is just crazy to me.
	Sorry.
	Sorry.
	I do agree.
	But I do have a question.
	Wait.
	Back up.
	I didn't refer to a group of people as a thing.
	Said, if you have a thing that has the exact characteristics as another thing, I don't understand where you would create this delineation point through choice of whether or not they, oh my god, I don't want to carry this whole conversation.
	You can go for it.
	I don't care either way because I'm pansexual.
	I will date any type of person.
	So to me, it doesn't make a difference.
	But if we're just like talking about like, if there was a straight man that is dating a transgender woman, would I consider him gay?
	Personally, no.
	And is there anything that you can say?
	Yeah.
	He's straight.
	Yes.
	And there's nothing, like, there's nothing that you can tell me that's going to change my belief or opinion on that.
	Even if we're just looking at the pure definitions of are they is a transgender woman biologically a woman?
	Absolutely not.
	And I think any transgeneral woman realizes and will recognize those differences between a biological woman and a woman that has gone through transition.
	Well, then if that is the case, then what is a woman?
	Say what you said again.
	I don't think anyone heard it.
	If that is the case, then what is a woman?
	What is a man?
	A man would be a person who had the reproductive capabilities of they would have small gametes, they would have XY chromosomes, they would fit the ontological definition of a man.
	Well, the whole chromosomes thing, it has been proven that it's all not necessarily true, and there's multiple variants of the second.
	I'm happy to get into that.
	But before I do, what is a woman?
	Now that I've answered your question, can you answer mine?
	Well, I don't really consider myself a woman, so I cannot really answer that.
	Because what do you consider?
	Hang on.
	Do you consider yourself, do you consider yourself a rock?
	No, I don't consider myself a rock.
	Well, and but could you tell me what a rock is, even though you don't consider yourself one?
	I'm not a, I don't really deal with rocks, so no, I cannot.
	You can't tell me what a rock is?
	Can you tell me what a tree is?
	Yes, I can.
	Are you a tree?
	I'm living outside.
	Are you a tree?
	No, I'm not.
	But it's really strange that you can.
	Hang on, it's really strange to me that you know what things are, even if you're not the thing.
	So what is a woman again?
	Okay.
	So a woman, in my opinion, is someone who identifies as a woman.
	A woman shouldn't be angry.
	Oh, wait, wait, wait, hang on, hang on.
	Let's move back.
	In my personal opinion, I don't really.
	Okay, I understand.
	A woman is someone who identifies as a woman.
	If this is the case, then could you be sleeping with somebody and they roll over and say, hey, baby, I'm a woman.
	And you would be having lesbian sex.
	Is that correct?
	It depends on if they're considering themselves lesbians.
	They've just decided, yeah, they're lesbians.
	And you can have sex with a woman as a woman and not have lesbian sex.
	Why can't they identify as a tree?
	And then, or why can't they identify themselves as a dead body and then call you a necrophiliac?
	Why can't they do that?
	Well, there's a kink for that, so technically they can't.
	There's a kink for everything.
	There is a kink for everyone.
	This is ridiculous.
	So to get this right, you think that you would be a necrophiliac if somebody you were sleeping with rolled over and identified as being a dead body?
	What?
	It's the same logic.
	If you say that anybody is a woman who identifies as being a woman, which means a woman, when I ask you what is a woman, it is anybody who identifies as, which means anybody who identifies as a woman is a woman, which means woman is anybody identifies as a woman.
	It's an infinite regress.
	So a woman is a societal risk.
	Listen to what's being said first.
	Listen first, then respond.
	So if you have a regressive definition, an infinite regress, a loop, I never actually get the information as to what a woman is.
	It's just anybody who identifies as one, which is anybody who identifies as one.
	Well, what is that?
	Whoever identifies as that.
	We're not actually clarifying what a woman is.
	Okay, so let's say a woman is the one who has the vagina and the one who has the breasts and presents themselves as a woman.
	So let's say that.
	Let's say that's a woman.
	If that is the okay, well, let's say that that is for the human sake.
	Okay, can you agree, though, that there could be men who have all of those characteristics and even present themselves in a way that you would consider womanly, but don't consider themselves a woman?
	Yes.
	Would you consider, hang on, would you consider them a woman?
	No, because they don't have a woman.
	Okay, then we're back to the same problem of anybody's a woman who says they're a woman.
	We're back to the same exact problem again.
	Every single person is different and there's nuance in every single person's journey.
	And I feel like we've already established that.
	Like every single person is that's just fluff.
	That doesn't tell me shit.
	Andrew has.
	Oh, everybody's journey is different.
	Okay, so what?
	What does that have to do with anything?
	Okay, yeah, but you're not even a part of the whole like community.
	You're not a part of the actual conversations that the people are having about gender.
	You are just presenting your opinion as a cis white male dude.
	So it's like, what does what does that have to do with anything?
	Wait, did you just say you're hang on?
	Did you just say white and straight?
	So opinion dismissed?
	Are we doing the you go girl?
	I'm a fucking strong lesbo.
	I'm here to fucking own.
	Like, what are we doing here?
	No, I am just saying that what you're saying and what you're trying to create and generate conversation about, like, this is not really a conversation that me and you should be having.
	Why not?
	Because isn't it good to talk about like dilemmas and stuff?
	No, okay.
	So because I am not a trans woman, I cannot answer those questions.
	And neither is he.
	I'm not a rock, but I can talk about rocks.
	I'm not a tree.
	Talk about tree.
	I'm not a cat.
	I can talk about cats.
	Not a dog.
	Talk about a dog.
	Talk about everything on planet Earth.
	But somehow, somehow, if I don't go and surgically alter my genitalia, I'm not qualified to know what a woman is or is not.
	You can have your own opinion.
	Let me ask you a question.
	Do you have any opinions at all on how children are raised in society?
	I have a few.
	Oh, yeah, yeah.
	Hang on.
	And do you have any children?
	No.
	Then you're totally disqualified from that conversation.
	I completely agree, which is why I'm not a part of that conversation.
	I'm totally disqualified from that conversation.
	You cannot have any opinions about children.
	Yeah, I will not.
	I do not voice my opinions.
	You just said that you do have opinions about it.
	Opinions, but I do not voice them nor have conversations with other, with the parents.
	Like, I do not know what you're saying.
	So people can't have opinions.
	So you have no opinion on whether or not it's child abuse.
	If somebody goes in their room, pulls out a belt and starts beating the shit out of their kid with it.
	Is that child abuse?
	Considering that was down to me, yes, I do consider it.
	Oh, wait, that's an opinion about children.
	That's an opinion about dismissed.
	It's an opinion about children.
	You can have opinions, but it's not a problem.
	Nope, you can't.
	Yes, you can.
	No, you can't.
	You have your own opinions.
	I have my own opinions.
	No, no, no.
	Just said that you're not allowed to have an opinion.
	You just said you're not allowed to have an opinion.
	If you don't have kids, you don't have an opinion.
	So when you say X thing with children is abuse, you are not qualified to make that statement because you have no children by your own logic.
	I just think that, I just think that what she, I get what you're trying to say, and I also understand hers, so I'm just going to try and help you guys see eye to eye a little bit.
	Thank you.
	Just a little bit.
	It's just that she is trying to say that, you know, every person has the right to have their opinion just like you do, even if she doesn't agree with it.
	That's perfectly fine.
	But when you're talking about a group of people or peoples that you have no knowledge on, and you're a married straight man, you have no right to tell other people what their sexual preferences is or what their sexuality is when it's not.
	But he's saying that it's gay to have sex or be with a transgender woman.
	It objectively is.
	It objectively is.
	It's just not right.
	Well, let us assume for a second.
	Hang on, hang on.
	Let her speak.
	I'm just going to respond directly to what you're saying.
	Go ahead and finish.
	It's just that I don't think personally, like, okay.
	Wait, wait, wait, wait.
	I'm sorry.
	I have to interrupt.
	I have to interrupt.
	So, couldn't we just throw this right back at you?
	Who are you to tell us what's straight?
	I've dated transgender, so I'm speaking on my own actual personal experiences.
	If it's not gay, then it's straight.
	Then who are you to tell me as a straight man, what is straight and what isn't?
	I never said that you had to have your opinion, or that you couldn't have your opinion, or that what if you deem it as gay, that is your meta-conversation.
	We're having a meta-conversation of Andrew can't say this, Andrew can't say X, because I never said he couldn't say anything.
	He doesn't belong to your precise identity group.
	I never said that he couldn't say anything, or that he, in fact, said that he can have an opinion, even if I don't agree with it, or she doesn't agree with it or anyone.
	I don't know if you can't do his identity group as a straight white man who's married.
	Because it's just that he can't tell, nobody should tell anybody what they're, whether something that they do is straight or gay or whatever.
	It doesn't matter.
	Well, okay, let me just respond to this.
	Okay, so let's start with just a simple question.
	Do you believe that there is a truth of a matter?
	Meaning, there is a truth to everything.
	It's either true or it is not true.
	It cannot be both true and untrue because that would be a contradiction, right?
	It's just that we're talking about a question without obfuscating.
	There's no is something either true or untrue.
	But isn't there that extraordinary?
	I'm going to keep asking until I get an answer.
	You can say no or you can say yes, but is a thing either true or untrue?
	Can it be both?
	True and untrue at the same time?
	There's nuance.
	It's not black and white.
	Oh, so you're saying that a thing can be true and untrue at the same time?
	Yeah, like it's not a problem.
	So a contradiction.
	Contradictions are possible.
	They're both dead and the life at the same time in the box.
	So let me just make sure.
	I just want to make sure I get your position down.
	Something can be both true and untrue.
	Yeah, because it is all based on not have hands.
	Please, it is all based on our perceptions because we have all grown up in different ways.
	We all have our own perceptions.
	Do you see this?
	You have your own perception.
	Do you see this cup?
	Do you see this cup?
	Sure.
	Am I drinking from this cup?
	I don't know if you are.
	Okay, well, I'm drinking from the cup.
	There's liquid in it, and I'm swallowing it with every drinking.
	I would say so, but I would have no way of knowing, and I don't know.
	You have no way of knowing that I'm holding a cup.
	No, I have no way of knowing if you're actually drinking from the cup or if it's huge.
	Okay, am I holding a cup?
	Sure, you're holding a cup.
	Is that true?
	I suppose.
	Well, okay, so could I both be holding this cup and not be holding this cup at the same time?
	Is that possible?
	Because you are literally showing me that you're holding the cup.
	Uh-huh.
	Yeah, you're holding the cup.
	Okay, so only one of those things can be true, right?
	Only one of those things can be true.
	I can't both be holding the cup.
	Stop, You present.
	I cannot be both holding the cup and not holding the cup at the same time, can I?
	Okay, if you lower it down and I cannot see if you're holding the cup, then yeah, you're both holding the cup and not holding the cup because then it's not going to be a matter of time.
	No, I would still only be either A holding the cup.
	No, no, no, I have the opinion.
	That's insane.
	What you just said is insane.
	Even if the cup was in a place where you couldn't see it, if I would still either A be holding the cup or B not be holding the cup, I still could not be both holding it and not holding it at the same time.
	Except I wouldn't know.
	You made it.
	You may not know, but whether you know it or not doesn't matter.
	What matters is that the truth is, there's only two options.
	I'm either holding it or I'm not holding it.
	It can't be anything else.
	Okay.
	Right?
	Okay, sure.
	If that is true, then you're saying that.
	With that particular example, yes, you can be because you say so, you can be either holding the cup or not holding the cup.
	Okay, you can't.
	Right, so only one can be true.
	It's not nuanced.
	It's not nuanced.
	There's only one truth.
	So what I'm saying here is that can you both be a homosexual and not a homosexual at the same time?
	Can you be having gay, straight sex?
	I cannot answer on that because I'm not a homosexual.
	I can't answer on that.
	Because you could be both holding and not holding the cup, right?
	I don't know if you're homosexual or not.
	So it's like, I'm sorry, I cannot answer for you.
	You have to ask yourself that.
	I cannot answer for you.
	I just want to make sure you can be having gay, straight sex at the same time.
	That's correct?
	I did not hear you.
	You could be having gay, straight sex at the same time.
	Gay, straight?
	Yeah, it's gay, straight sex, right?
	Yeah.
	Well, if you have a gay person on a straight person.
	With one person.
	With one person.
	Can you be having homosexual and heterosexual sex at the exact same time with one person?
	Yes.
	Okay, can you explain how that would be possible?
	Okay, let's say you are having sex with somebody who is in a roleplay presenting as a someone else.
	That's why I stick to anal sex.
	Yeah.
	So wait a second.
	So to get this right, you can be engaging in both a same sex activity with one person while simultaneously with that same person be engaging in heterosexual sex.
	Is that your actual position?
	I don't have a position on that.
	This is ridiculous.
	No, you're ridiculous.
	Thank you.
	Two seconds ago, you just said I could both be holding and not holding a cup that you can see visibly.
	No, I'm not sure.
	Unless you're actually showing it.
	Like, I don't know.
	You might be floating a cup with your magic.
	Like, I don't know.
	You might have fucking magic and just floating the cup.
	Yeah.
	We're cooked, guys.
	Yeah, I'm tired.
	I haven't slept in like two days.
	I believe you.
	Can you give us an answer, though?
	What is a woman, I guess?
	Can you give us an answer?
	Can I give you an answer on what a woman is?
	It doesn't matter what you think.
	Sure.
	Um, honestly, I cannot give you an okay, you know what?
	Yes, I will.
	That's okay.
	That's okay.
	Because the thing is, is that personally on gender, I cannot give you a defining answer on anything because I think everything is a spectrum and I think everything is nuanced.
	And that's all whatever the person perceives to be the truth.
	I can already tell that I don't like you.
	Wow, thank you.
	I'm so happy to be back.
	All right.
	I got to do a quick intermission here.
	I realized the mistake we made.
	We, everywhere else, except I might have even been on Twitch too.
	We had a pinned comment in the chat that says TTS was 69 for the entirety of the whole show.
	I meant to switch it after the 30-minute mark.
	That was my mistake.
	Some of you did send in 69s after we switched it to back to the original.
	So I'm going to go through the history just to be fair.
	I won't be able to trigger the TTS because it's fallen off.
	But I just want to get through them because it came in.
	We had it listed as TTS set to 69.
	Just to be fair to the people that sent it in, I don't want to feel like you guys got scammed out of your Streamlabs tip.
	So I'm going to let a couple of these come through the.
	If the woman is the breadwinner, ask each of these women if they are dating a broke man.
	If so, why are they not married to that broke man?
	Is anybody dating a broke man?
	Show of hands.
	No.
	Y'all dating brokeies.
	Let me finish with just this one last point.
	Just a question.
	I just wanted to ask our Russian friend one last question.
	Russian girl's IQ is questionable.
	She's been drinking Chernobyl water.
	I mean, honestly, people are average.
	So since everything is nuanced, I just have one last question.
	Okay, go ahead.
	Can you tell me how it would be possible for one plus one to not equal two?
	Does one plus one equal two?
	I swear, if you don't say yes.
	Wait, wait, wait.
	Just let her answer.
	Does one plus one equals two?
	Oh, to Desiree?
	Oh, yeah, you were there with Desiree.
	I'm having flashbacks.
	I'm sorry.
	I can't.
	Does two plus two equal four?
	Two plus two equals four.
	One plus one equals two.
	One plus one equals four.
	How's your question?
	So wait.
	So then everything doesn't have nuance.
	Actually, it still has a nuance.
	Because let's say you combine one person and you combine one other person and then you have to put three people when you have a baby.
	Like, I don't know.
	It's like.
	Well, then that would be three people.
	You see how that works?
	One plus one plus one equals three.
	But like, that's my point.
	Everything is actually.
	No, no, no.
	That's my point.
	That's not nuanced.
	You say if I take one person and I add another person, I have two people.
	And then if I add a third person, then I'd have three people.
	I agree.
	Would that be the truth of the matter?
	Is there any nuance there?
	Can you explain the nuance of one plus one plus one equaling anything but three?
	Okay, one plus one equals two as numbers.
	That's it.
	And that's as far as I'm going to go.
	I'm not going to go into math with you.
	Well, wait, can you tell me how one person plus one person could equal three people?
	One of them gives birth to a baby.
	That would be a third person.
	That would become a third person.
	But again, we're not talking about.
	If you ask me for nuance, I'm giving you a perspective.
	That's not nuanced.
	No, I'm giving you a perspective because on the on the nuance where it can be possible, you've asked me for that.
	How could it be possible?
	Tell me.
	So you don't think that a woman, a biological woman, and a biological man can come together and create a child.
	That would be three people, not two people.
	That's what I said.
	It would be a good idea.
	Yeah, but then that's my point that you're just saying one plus one equals two.
	Hang on, hang on.
	All you're saying is one plus one equals two, but one plus one plus one equals three.
	That's not any nuance about one plus one equaling two.
	What?
	No, okay.
	I got to move this on.
	Please, please, because this is ridiculous.
	This does not make any sense.
	It is ridiculous, and it doesn't make any sense.
	And I don't understand why you don't grasp these really basic concepts.
	TTS is 69.
	FYI, everybody.
	TTS is 69.
	I'm going to get caught up on the ones we unfortunately, that was just an error on our part.
	So I'll have to read some of them that didn't come through, but some of them did come through.
	Walking Roscoe underscore on underscore UTV.
	Thank you.
	Appreciate it, man.
	Dating is not the way to find out who somebody really is because at any given time they are only showing 10% of who they actually are.
	And that's the problem.
	It's as if you're dating a woman's publicist or PR agent.
	Yeah.
	Why would you not give your whole ways, man?
	You don't want to give 100% when you're first starting off with someone.
	Why would you not show who you are from the start?
	Why would you not explain what your values are from the start on the first date?
	I agree with that.
	Well, I think it's more so people hiding their and I don't think that people should be hiding behind anything.
	We have Nickelodeon here.
	Nickelodeon donated $69.
	What the fuck?
	You heard it here from a woman's mouth, folks.
	Women are apparently nothing more than a meat pocket for men to copulate with.
	Hey, Nickelodeon, good to see you in the chat.
	Apologies again to you and to everybody else who sent in TTSs at the 69 range.
	Just a little oversight on our part to have kept that pinned in the YouTube chat.
	Let me go through some of the other ones.
	So we have, let's see, hold on, guys.
	I got to just read these from the history.
	Woman Prattle says, this is why women think they can marry after being the town bicycle.
	Her husband is a simp.
	Wow, okay.
	God damn it.
	Okay, let's talk about how these 305 take advantage of these weak men for the 401k.
	Okay.
	Thank you, Woman Praddle.
	That came in like four hours ago.
	I'm sorry, bro.
	Perfect posture emporium.
	Hey, Brian, whatever you like in our store.
	Oh, wait, did that one come through?
	Yeah, I think so.
	Okay.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Okay.
	I don't think I missed too many, but there was one from Ike Voorhees.
	He says, if you ladies think you're a 10, then y'all should have competed in Miss Universe pageant.
	By the way, the lady with the black top and a face.
	I can't see her.
	Can I say?
	I can't see it from here.
	And a blank look like Mariah Carey a little.
	I guess she says you look like Mariah Carey.
	That's a compliment.
	That is a compliment.
	Right?
	She's pretty.
	Thank you.
	I appreciate it.
	I don't know what the blank was, so I don't really know if I want to say thank you.
	Yeah.
	Okay, then no thank you.
	Psycho, just getting here, but for some reason, girl with horseshoe necklace seems sane, very attractive, and going places in life.
	Best of luck, beautiful.
	Hashtag no simping.
	Oh, that was so sweet.
	Thank you.
	I think she's very beautiful.
	Yeah, 100%, guys.
	Psycho, appreciate a man.
	Sorry that it did not come through as a TTS.
	Oh, you did a little heart.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Lol Paladins.
	If the woman is the breadwinner, ask each of these women if they are dating a.
	I already did that one.
	Yeah.
	Sorry, lol paladins.
	Okay.
	All right.
	I think we're all caught up.
	TTS is.
	Nick, show the center thing.
	Just pull it up.
	TTS is 69.
	If you guys.
	Oh, actually, well, that wouldn't make sense.
	Yeah.
	TTS is now 69.
	We have a few more things to get through.
	Let's see here.
	Oh, feminism.
	You wanted to talk about feminism, Alex.
	Yeah, I was confused.
	You said, why do the hosts hate feminists so much, lol?
	Yeah, I was confused the last time because, like, when you asked who considers themselves a feminist, I was the only one who raised their hand and you were like, we're going to get back to that.
	And never did.
	Yeah, no.
	Well, before we get into that, I'm just like a little confused about the whole not liking feminists.
	Yeah.
	So, here, why don't we get everybody's answer to this first?
	Do you consider yourself a feminist?
	I don't know.
	I don't know.
	Wow, you're really far from the mic.
	It's like really.
	I don't know.
	I don't think so.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Cool.
	To what the standards are today in society, the definition for a feminist?
	No.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	I consider myself a feminist, but not the man-hater that the society persists in.
	We can get into that.
	Do you consider yourself a feminist?
	Well, you're.
	Are you beat down over the convo with Andrew?
	We're very tired.
	Yeah, sorry.
	I was a drug.
	No, no, no, no.
	I'm not tired.
	I'm fine.
	Okay.
	Do you consider yourself a feminist?
	I don't know what the actual, like, what would you say?
	Like, for like the definition of like a feminist?
	Well, there's different definitions.
	Feminists define it differently.
	I have a charitable definition, and then I have an actual definition.
	My charitable definition would be a movement for women's advocacy.
	It's just like that's the most charitable I can be.
	It's about equality between man and woman.
	Us human beings.
	Okay, we'll get into that, but let's let her answer.
	So I'd say I don't know.
	You farted.
	Maddie?
	How dare you, bro?
	Okay, I'm kidding.
	She didn't fart.
	I thought it was you.
	Here's Morgan.
	Just kidding.
	It was Nick.
	Just throwing my entire crew on the bus.
	It was Andrew.
	Yeah, transcontinental.
	Well, not continental.
	Transcontinental?
	It could still be transcontinental.
	Fart.
	Andrew just wafted it from his abode.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	He's out of it.
	Yeah, a woman's advocacy movement, I guess.
	I'd say I don't know.
	Andrew, what's your definition, Andrew?
	Your charitable definition.
	So feminism, I would say, is the movement towards the egalitarian society between men and women, equality, and the rejection of patriarchal systems.
	Could you please define that one word that you used at the beginning?
	My English is not too good.
	Rejection.
	No, no, no.
	Patriarchal.
	Egalitarianism.
	Yes, egalitarian.
	Just equality.
	Do you smell that?
	Okay.
	Equality between men and women and the rejection of patriarchal systems.
	Is it?
	Okay.
	I can't smell anything over here.
	Do you smell something?
	Morgan's.
	I don't know how it's wrong.
	Okay.
	We're clean over here.
	Y'all.
	Okay.
	Hold on.
	I'm so glad in not dating donated $69.
	He's strong, handsome, hung like a bullmoose.
	Perfect in every way.
	You get to his house.
	In the corner of his bedroom, done, done, done.
	A fully loaded AR-15 firearm.
	What's your reaction?
	Oh, boy.
	Okay.
	You gotta go.
	Here, just really quick around the table on that.
	Gotta go.
	Okay.
	I don't even know what to say to that.
	I really don't.
	Okay, strong, handsome, hung like a bullmoose, perfect in every way.
	In his bedroom, there's a AR-15.
	Okay.
	Would you, okay?
	Would you?
	I'm not going to run the other way.
	Would you, like, would that disqualify him?
	If he had a gun?
	From dating, yeah.
	No.
	A fully loaded one, though?
	No.
	Fully loaded and not fully loaded.
	Yeah, but like, that's what he said.
	Yeah, it's the big one.
	Well, no.
	Unless he's not.
	Like, what's the intent behind it?
	Is he going to like, is he a harmful dude?
	Or like, what's the, is it just the problem?
	No, no, no.
	There's no additional qualifiers.
	No.
	He has a fully loaded rifle, an AR-15 there in his room.
	You see it.
	Is that a problem?
	No.
	But yes, for you.
	What about you?
	Oh, it's not a problem for me.
	I would just ask about it.
	L.
	I have a boyfriend, so I wouldn't be in their room.
	But if I, okay, for the podcast's sake, if I, personally, I've had a lot of trauma with surrounding guns, and I just don't feel comfortable around them.
	I wouldn't, like, not want to be around that person.
	I would just ask them politely to please remove the gun from my visual, being able to see it.
	I would just respectfully ask.
	I personally think everyone should own guns, so I would just question why is it out of the gun safe and why is it loaded?
	Do you want to own a gun?
	Personally, I can't because I'm 19.
	I can only, I want to.
	You can own rifles.
	Yeah, don't you?
	Yeah, that's what I was going to say.
	I can own a rifle, but I wouldn't want to own a rifle personally.
	I'd want to own a handgun, and I want to as soon as I turn 21.
	You can own a handgun at 19.
	Maybe it's California.
	Even in California, that's a federal law.
	Federal law says that dealers can't sell at 21.
	But you can state laws say 18 is appropriate to own a handgun.
	I don't know California specifically, but it wouldn't surprise me if you could at 18.
	No, I'm from Texas.
	It's like from Australia, so this doesn't really apply because we don't have guns.
	Well, let's say you're living in America.
	Myric.
	That's fine.
	America.
	Okay.
	America.
	All right.
	Thank you.
	I'm so glad I'm not dating.
	Really good to see you back in the chat, man.
	Appreciate your TTS.
	Thank you, man.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	Back to the question, the feminist thing.
	You were asking for clarification on egalitarianism.
	Which is equality.
	Essentially, right?
	Right?
	Yeah.
	So feminist?
	I'd say we're pretty equal.
	I'd say just maybe raise women's pays more.
	I don't know.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	No.
	Feminist?
	Nope.
	Let's say no.
	M-Dog?
	Nair.
	NAR.
	NAR.
	Okay.
	Yeah, I can agree with that.
	But equal pay for us?
	No.
	Aww.
	That's not all.
	Clear, nair.
	Every time I hear an Australian accent sound.
	I don't sound like that, by the way.
	Every time I hear an Australian sound, no, I just think of the H2O mermaids.
	I got that TikTok gun.
	I love how you guys talk personally.
	It's like, it's so beautiful.
	It's so satisfying, if it makes sense.
	Yeah, so you're the only feminist?
	Yeah, I guess again.
	Because what else is a feminist?
	Because to me, it's about equality, right?
	So it's about us being equal as human beings.
	Are men and women not equal?
	So because the majority of the society was built on by male rules, and I specifically brought up the examples that I'm not going to go into the whole financial or societal thing at all.
	However, for example, in the medical terms, there's no equality at all.
	Up until 1993, women could not be part of medical testings.
	That's only then they specifically required women to be part of medical testing for any diseases.
	Other than that, women are just considered mini men and are given just smaller doses of medications and are not treated for the disease.
	So, I can give you two rebuttals to this argument.
	The first rebuttal would be it's very dangerous to experiment medically on somebody who has the potential to be pregnant.
	I have seen that argument, but then like it is a valid one, but then it's like you can't really learn about what the body's needs.
	Okay, so then the second one is: is it really like some sort of privilege to be in such financial dire straits that you're gonna get experimental drugs pumped into you?
	So, it's not about the experimental drugs, it's about do you think that's a privilege?
	Do you think that's a male privilege that males are privileged because they get medically experimented on?
	Do you think that's evidence for or do you think it's actually a privilege that we actually raise up women to such a degree that we want to protect them from being medically experimented on?
	Okay, I can see how you may think that, and from that perspective, I can see the viewpoint.
	However, from a perspective as a chronically ill woman, not a single male doctor could ever diagnose me.
	And in fact, I've been misdiagnosed so many times.
	I've been giving so many wrong medications that have only worsened my symptoms.
	So, it's like specifically the medical care, and I'm only talking about in the United States because that's what I've had the most issues with.
	It wasn't literally until last year that a female doctor actually was able to diagnose me and prescribe me the things and in the way that actually helped me.
	So, and only because she experienced those things herself and she had to experiment on herself.
	So, it's like just the overall system of the whole healthcare system in America.
	Well, and then I think Andrew's actually made this other argument, too, is that due to women's fluctuating hormones that tend to fluctuate more than men, whereas men are a bit more constant.
	Exactly.
	Right, but it's better to test it on them for that reason, also.
	Except then, it affects women in a different way, though, because of their fluctuating hormones, because taking some of the things.
	Okay, so, but looking at the totality, it's still not clear to me if it's some sort of benefit to like it's it's some women are oppressed because I didn't say women are oppressed.
	Well, then women are disadvantaged because they don't get medically experimented on.
	No, women are disadvantaged because they are less likely to be diagnosed with what they're actually with the condition that they actually have.
	They're more likely to be.
	Is there any facts or data about that?
	Yes, actually, there's plenty.
	Well, there might be plenty of data that might suggest that there's more medical experimentation on men.
	However, there are clearly, hold on, let me finish.
	It's not clear to me because of this that somehow it translates to the if a drug is passed and it's been tested more on men, that women are going to have like disproportionately more negative health outcomes because it wasn't tested on them as much.
	Well, this is kind of silly anyway, because when you're talking about testing standards, you have to follow what are called ethical practices.
	So, if there's drug experiments which are going on, it's going to be voluntary.
	So what they do is they do paid voluntary drug testing.
	So what will happen is you take part in some sort of experiment.
	College kids do this all the time for additional money.
	Sometimes for 21, 31, 40 days, sometimes a year.
	Men are more often the people volunteering.
	I volunteered in college.
	Yeah, okay, but that's not what, okay.
	It doesn't matter if you volunteer.
	What I'm saying is that men are more likely to volunteer.
	Do you know what more likely means?
	Yes, I do understand.
	However, it's like I'm not talking about specifically the testing.
	I'm talking about the entire system and what the doctors have been taught in the past that it still moves through today.
	It wasn't until 1993 that women were required to be at least like 40% a part of the world.
	Is this your best example of inequality between men and women?
	That is not my best example.
	Give me your best example because these small, minor examples are kind of uninteresting to me.
	Okay, well, except as I've said, I'm not going to argue on it.
	I was just wanting to know everyone's opinions because I'm just simply confused.
	Why is being equal up to the mainstream means why 30 years ago there was disproportionate medical testing being over 30 years ago?
	And then even still right now, there still are because a lot of doctors are still following through with example of what?
	Inequality between men and women.
	Except I told you that I only wanted to talk about the medical.
	That's the solution.
	I'm willing to talk about the medical.
	I mean, we've already...
	Because you have personally have mentioned that you have heard a million things before.
	So I'm not going to tell you anything that you haven't heard before and that Andrew hasn't heard before.
	And I'm not here to argue about it.
	All I know is my experience and the experience of a lot of other women who have gone through similar issues.
	You said 30 years ago, though, so that's quite a while ago.
	So actually, only recently, Biden, like in 2024, has passed that it has to be 50% of the females in the testing and actually taught, you know, and yeah, that's a regressive policy.
	So this is a completely regressive policy.
	Woman who is chronically illegal.
	It's a very important policy to then introduce your political bias into scientific testing.
	The thing is, is that not all these experiments, for instance, inside of medical fields would even require a demographic of 50% of it to be women or 30% or even 10%.
	It's all experiment specific.
	And not only that, when you're doing medical experiments, try to remember that you can adjust for these other variables.
	You can find men, for instance, who have hormones which are similar to women due to all sorts of different reasons.
	They can have the same amount of voluntary as a modern woman.
	And so the experiments that you're talking about do not demonstrate a social bias towards women.
	There's other factors for why this occurs.
	One such factor is they don't volunteer as much because of ethical testing standards.
	They just don't volunteer as much.
	They don't get blood.
	They don't do any of this stuff as much.
	How would that be biased?
	That seems like women are basically selecting themselves out of that.
	Also, I just want to piggyback on Andrew here really quick.
	So you said that Biden, it has to be 50-50 with the medical experimentation?
	I'm not 100% sure.
	I've read the document.
	I'm not sure if it's a proposed bill or if it's a favorite of that proposal.
	I would, actually.
	So let me ask you a question on that.
	So assuming there's a medical experimentation, a case study, whatever it is, but they're just incapable of finding a 50-50 split, wouldn't doing this prevent medical experimentation from even occurring?
	So it would be, it would prevent advancement in medicine.
	So no, because if a study answer that, so it wouldn't, please, because you've asked.
	Go ahead.
	So it wouldn't, because it requires, but the thing is, is that if you can't find them, you can still do the testing.
	You just cannot use that same foundings on the opposite person.
	You can only use the foundings that you found on that type of person.
	And that's the key point.
	The fact that women have been considered literally meanie men and just been given smaller doses of medication that could potentially harm them and have harmed them in the past, that male doctors misdiagnose women all the time.
	Right, but this, again, this precise example you've given me, I can just turn around and say for the decades or centuries, maybe not, well, they've been doing medical experimentation for a long time.
	Lol Paladins donated $69.
	DE, I almost killed President Trump.
	Get rid of four.
	DI is a council on our society.
	Meritocracy is the only way to run a business around government.
	What's meritocracy?
	Fucking rude, man.
	Super rude.
	Okay.
	It just means the judgment value is assessed on your merits.
	How good or bad you are at a thing.
	Yeah.
	So to give me a quick, easy example of this, it would be, I can hire you or I can hire your sister and I hire your sister because she's better at the job than you.
	That would be merit.
	Okay.
	I appreciate that.
	Thank you.
	Welcome.
	That's a cool word.
	I like it.
	Like, for instance, the merits of your argument suck.
	Like that, for instance.
	That would be a good thing.
	Okay.
	And that's fair enough because you're not the one experiencing it.
	You're not the one who's been going to.
	Well, I'm experiencing your argument.
	That's yours.
	You're going to leave before we complete the podcast, okay?
	I didn't realize it was going to be like hours long.
	It goes long, you know?
	Didn't know what to hold us.
	I mean, if you go to youtube.com slash whatever, you can see all the podcasts that go this long.
	If you guys gotta go, I'm not gonna hold you.
	Yeah.
	How much longer is it?
	Were you thinking?
	I'm not trying to rush you at all.
	I was just curious.
	Maybe another 30, 40 minutes.
	Okay.
	I mean, you guys are already fucking back there.
	You're getting up.
	You're on your fucking phone.
	I mean.
	Yeah, just because we've been sitting here for five to six hours.
	Yeah, you've got the TikTok brain, can't focus in a room.
	People having a conversation.
	No, I just wasn't aware how long we were going to be here.
	YouTube.your friend's been on the show two times before.
	Yeah, I thought it was a good idea.
	YouTube.com slash whatever.
	You can see we're not, there's disclosures about the length of the podcast everywhere.
	I mean.
	I mean, I completed the podcast twice.
	I know how long it is.
	I'm aware.
	I am.
	They are my ride, though, so I'm going to have to leave it there.
	And you didn't tell your friends how long it was?
	No, I did.
	I think this is going a little bit longer.
	Wait, wait, so then they knew?
	In addition to that.
	Wait, so they knew?
	No, we did not.
	How late were they?
	Wait, how could they be whining about how long it is if you told them how long it was?
	I did, but I think it's going a little bit longer than Milo asked.
	You guys were also, I believe, we're 30 minutes late, was it?
	No, we got here.
	We got here.
	We were here with everyone else.
	Were they?
	We were.
	Yeah.
	We were outside with everyone else.
	They didn't get me until.
	Well, okay, hold on.
	Hold on.
	Okay.
	What time did we ask you guys to be here?
	4, and I got here at 4.20.
	And we got here at 4.20, and I told you before.
	I was like, I got 4 earlier, 4.20 is when the food got here.
	Yeah, and I told you before we were even 30 minutes away that we were going to be a little bit late, and you said it was okay.
	I did message.
	Well, I did message you beforehand.
	Yeah, you said it was 4.20.
	And I got here before 4.20 because we sped to get here to make sure that we did.
	Okay, and then you brought food and you had to eat the food, even though we asked beforehand.
	We didn't eat the food before during the stream or anything like that.
	Okay.
	And I respectfully informed you that I was going to be a little bit late, but that I wouldn't be late to actually getting on to the podcast.
	We were still here for everything.
	We were outside with all the other girls.
	We got let in at the same time.
	You said here at 4.22.
	So you were late.
	I told you I was going to be late and that my estimated arrival was 4.20.
	Yeah, we started the show a little bit late, too.
	Not because of me personally.
	The last person to arrive was her, which not saying that that was a little bit of a hard time.
	She was also late.
	So we started the show a little bit late.
	But it was with all the other women that are here, minus her.
	Yeah, we were waiting for a larger group.
	I know, I'm just saying, don't just blame us for being late.
	We were with the whole entirety of the population.
	I mean, all the other girls, I think, were here mostly on time, except for her, who's later than you guys.
	We were human.
	I'm sorry we were late, everyone.
	And I appreciate having us on let you know that there was traffic, but can you do?
	Yeah.
	It's a late night for you guys at 11:50.
	Don't you guys go out and party and no?
	I work.
	Yeah.
	I work.
	Well, if you guys need to go, you guys can go, but or you could stay for the whole show.
	But I mean, there's some, yeah.
	I'm down to say, but it's totally totally up to them.
	If they're driving and they have work in the morning, I'm not going to prevent them from going home.
	Okay, yeah, I think we're going to go off.
	Thank you for having us.
	Thank you so much.
	Okay, not staying the whole time, so okay.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Thanks.
	It was good to meet you.
	Maddie, I'm going to have you take that seat over there.
	Okay.
	I'm going to have you actually take that seat.
	I'm going to have you take that seat.
	And then Maddie, you'll take that seat over there.
	It's nice to meet all of you.
	Bye, guys.
	Drive safe.
	Did you say me?
	I definitely didn't say you.
	I'm going to have you just move over there.
	Dana, bum.
	Is that the second microphone right there?
	Yeah.
	Did you want me to sit here?
	I'll have you sit in that middle seat.
	Maddie will sit in the end seat there.
	Sorry, guys.
	We're just rearranging, just rearranging chairs.
	I'm probably, you know, I would sit this seat.
	Yeah.
	I said, sit, darling.
	And, oh, there's a freaking slip to my seat.
	Oh, my God.
	Did you get you got freaked by that?
	He was just chilling.
	Spider.
	Yeah.
	I have a neurological thing.
	It's been sitting here the whole time with her.
	Anyways, we're going to get back.
	We're going to get back to the feminism debate, I guess.
	I'm just curious on other people's opinions.
	Like, obviously, I might be just misunderstanding something in the culture of America because it seems like a lot of it is about hating men.
	But that's not what I don't know.
	I was taught.
	That's not how I was introduced to it.
	So I'm just simply confused.
	Okay.
	Well, what I was going to get to before the whole them leaving thing.
	I was just going to make the point.
	I mean, while you, if I just even grant that, yeah, I guess it's had negative impacts on women that, you know, mostly men have had experimentation done on them.
	I can, sorry, guys, one sec.
	Did we miss the DEI one?
	Or did that one come in?
	The lull palette one?
	We did.
	We got the DEI.
	Okay.
	If it was in regards to Trump.
	You got it.
	Yeah, yeah, we got that one.
	But I could just use the precise same example to make a men's rights argument that the fact that men throughout years and years and years have been exclusively medically experimented on would seem to be evidence of unfair treatment towards men.
	Yeah, except it was done by other men.
	How is that?
	Okay.
	What if it's female doctors who are conducting?
	How do you know that?
	How do you know the sex of the doctors who have done this medical experimentation?
	Because a lot of women weren't allowed to be doctors in the past.
	Okay, so fine.
	I'll just grant you 100% of the men who were doing the medical experimentation were men.
	Why would that matter?
	Because men's and women's biologists are just simply just.
	You're not even answering the question.
	Wait, you said you said, why doesn't it matter?
	See, this is a little weasel trick that you do.
	If I point out some way in which men are disadvantaged, instead of actually addressing my argument, you'll just say, no, you said, but men did it to other men in an effort to dismiss my stated grievance.
	So I'm just going to fully ignore your rebuttal.
	Well, I'm going to make you stick on to the actual conversation here.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	So engage.
	Well, what's your point?
	That men have been tested on unfairly.
	I completely agree with it.
	And also the fact that a lot of it happened during a specific period of our history that none of us were alive for, and that's where the majority of medical history even came from to begin with is, you know.
	Let me ask a different question.
	Okay.
	Let us assume for a second that you were the empress of the United States.
	And everything that you said went, right?
	Whatever it was that you said, that's what people did.
	How, even if there was bias in the medical field due to ethical testing standards where women would have less good treatment than men because their physiology is different, as you point out, how would you even reconcile that?
	Like, how would you actually even begin to fix that problem?
	So there are a lot of female doctors right now that are focusing on the same studies that were done on men with their medication.
	They are trying to conduct similar studies with women.
	Yeah, I'm not understanding why the, hang on, I'm not understanding though, why would the sex of the doctor matter?
	That's just what I've read when I looked at the students.
	Yeah, but why would the sex of the doctor matter?
	Because it were specifically women doctors who even went into the conversation and who started the conversation to begin with.
	There was a lot of people.
	But whoever's treating the women, you don't care if they're men or women, right?
	You just care that they're treating women.
	Are you talking about the doctors?
	Yeah, you just care that they're treating women, not that they are women.
	Considering that male doctors have only hindered my health for over 11 years, and female doctors have helped me every single time to elevate and be my better self.
	I think just women and men, again, we all have different, we all have different biology.
	That's just, I mean, that's a fact, right?
	Like we all are biologists.
	I don't know how this answers to anything I'm asking you.
	So I'm asking you specifically, you're the empress of the world, okay?
	Can wave your magic wand and somehow you're going to implement a policy which is now going to assist women with medical studies.
	Okay, well, if I had a magic wand, I wouldn't necessarily do it about the studies.
	I would actually just have all the doctors have all the knowledge on both of the sexes on how to treat them.
	No, no, no.
	You said I had a magic wand.
	I can do whatever I want.
	Yeah, I said your magic wand, you can implement any policy you want.
	Thank you, Bill.
	You can implement a policy.
	You know what a policy is.
	Yes, I do know what a policy is.
	Okay, yeah, so tell me the policy you implement.
	I didn't hear that part, but okay.
	Axa Bullet donated $69.
	What if the doctor identified as a woman?
	Honestly, that's so valid with how you've kind of been.
	Yeah, no, I don't really understand.
	I don't really believe if you understand biology as well as you do because of that.
	I don't really understand biology.
	I only, again, when I came to America, American education system, American healthcare system, everything was like, I learned more in Russia by the age I was 11 than I've learned in America since.
	Like what?
	Everything.
	Like what, like I've learned geography a lot better.
	I've learned, I've learned English better in Russia.
	There's no reason.
	Exactly.
	So it's.
	I've learned math better in Russia.
	Like, I have completely stopped.
	So why are you still in the United States if you think Russia is?
	I do not think Russia is better.
	I'm saying it has better education and it has better health care systems.
	Then why are you in America?
	If you want to improve your health because that's not my goal.
	My goal is not to improve my health.
	I thought that was your whole time.
	That's why you're with your boyfriend, right?
	That's not why I'm with my boyfriend.
	Well, you said he was not on my mind.
	That's not the reason why you're with him.
	I said we helped each other and we understand each other and that understanding.
	You help you guys with their health.
	Understanding each other.
	And we do support each other, but that's not why we're together.
	Well, that's specifically why.
	That's definitely one of the reasons.
	Yeah, because we actually understand what the other person needs.
	When a person is chronically ill, a lot of people tend to go really overboard, especially if they don't understand.
	And if you're saying that Russian, like Russia has better health care in general, why are you not there?
	Why are you in America?
	If you don't want to be in America, do you know how much a ticket that costs to Russia?
	I cannot afford it.
	Well, your boyfriend can.
	Your boyfriend can.
	No, he cannot because he has an amazing, beautiful house.
	Hang on, he has a house.
	Hey, hang on, hang on, hang on.
	I don't want you.
	I don't want you to get sub-par health care.
	So the crucible will foot your ticket back to Russia if you promise to stay there.
	Why would I stay in Russia?
	Because you just said that the reason that you don't go there to get the type of health care that you need is because you can't afford a ticket.
	No, I said, do you know how much a ticket to Russia costs?
	Because she said you can go to Russia.
	She also said you didn't want to improve her health.
	So it's like.
	Okay, I do want to, but it's not my main goal because you said it was my main goal.
	But that's not my main goal.
	My main goal is to improve myself as a person.
	And yeah, I do not want to stay in America.
	Physically or mentally?
	Both.
	And spiritually.
	And Russia, it's everything altogether.
	Me as a whole being, I just want to be better all the time.
	And I'm always growing and evolving.
	And the thing is, is that Russia is very limiting as a society.
	So stupid.
	Not you, sir.
	It is actually way more, way more misogynistic and horrible.
	Yeah, Russia is horrible to women.
	Then why were you like saying how amazing it was?
	I didn't say it wasn't.
	When did I say it was amazing?
	Like two seconds ago, you're like, they had better health care.
	They had better health care and better education.
	I didn't say it was amazing.
	That's super weird that under this oppressive patriarchy, you get a better education and better women's health care.
	Isn't that making the case that here, when you have egalitarianism, when equality, the word that you understand?
	Here we haven't shown you.
	Hang on, hang on, hang on.
	Here you have this evil equality, and the health care for women is worse.
	But under the patriarchal system, the education and the health care for people is much better.
	That's super weird.
	Actually, it is really weird, and I really don't get it.
	Why do in Russia?
	I could say in hospitals for months.
	They will not let me out until they're positively sure that they know what's going on.
	And hang on a second.
	Most of the doctors.
	And most of the doctors there, they're men, huh?
	No, actually, a lot of them are women.
	Most of the doctors in Russia are men.
	Not in the hospital that I was in.
	Yes, okay, but most of the doctors in Russia are men.
	Okay, if you say so, I don't know how to do it.
	Most of the administrators are men, and it's most definitely a patriarchal society.
	You're saying they care so much about women's health.
	Yeah, they care so much about women's health that they won't even discharge you from the hospital until they're fucked that you're okay.
	They wouldn't discharge anybody.
	Yeah, man, this patriarchy thing sounded better and better.
	Okay, isn't that what they're supposed to do?
	Make sure you're okay before they discharge you.
	Except they don't do it here.
	Here, when you go to an emergency, by the way, TTS is 30.
	They give you a little pill, they give you a little bit of the code, a little bit of the hydration, and then they send you home.
	Yeah, it's like they don't even care about women here.
	They don't care about anybody in the world.
	Yeah, it's almost like without absent a moral-grounded ethical patriarchy that when people think that you're just interchangeable egalitarian widgets, nobody gives a fuck about you.
	It has been a way before the president.
	It's been like that for over 12 years, ever since I've come here.
	On a scale of one to ten, how crazy are you?
	Like a seven.
	What?
	One to ten.
	Is ten like absolutely.
	How can you be a ten?
	How can you be a ten in everything except the I never said I was the ten.
	I said I was a 10.
	You did.
	You say the ten in the women.
	No, I said I was a nine.
	I thought I was a nine.
	So how do woman doctors do better?
	Female Speaker 2 How is female and women different?
	I'm sorry.
	So female anatomy is about the biological sex.
	Being a woman is a social construct.
	No, it's not.
	Well, according to the stress.
	Okay.
	She's the best person we've ever gotten.
	Sorry.
	And then you're talking about the question.
	I'm not really justifying, guys.
	Like, they literally picked me up and was like, you guys want, you want to do this?
	And I was like, I've never heard of you guys before.
	Yeah.
	And then I just sat down for the next seven hours.
	This has been actually amazing, by the way.
	Yeah.
	I would love to hear more of your opinions.
	W's in the chat.
	W's in the chat for.
	I'm sorry.
	What's Grace?
	Grace.
	Grace.
	W Grace in the chat.
	W Grace.
	W Grace.
	Thank you.
	But there's two genders: there's men and there's women.
	Okay.
	That is facts.
	Destroyed.
	Destroyed with facts and logic.
	I'm not going to argue with you on that.
	That is your okay.
	If you want to continue with this.
	I do not want to continue with this, as I've said, because, again.
	You want to keep talking about like vague medical.
	I want to know what is everyone else's opinion.
	Nobody cares about this one.
	Okay.
	Nobody cares about this one.
	It's kind of boring.
	No problem.
	What do you say?
	What is he?
	Everyone needs to calm down and stop picking on Alex.
	She has already confused herself all evening and can't keep up with what she has already said, let alone think logically and stick to reality.
	Yeah, I worked.
	So, Alex, I would say that Russian education is better.
	What do the Russians teach children about gender?
	I was going to ask that.
	Somebody literally just said that.
	Oh, no, they shouldn't.
	Well, the thing is, is that in Russia, I was there up until fifth grade.
	And I guess we didn't get to the gender part yet, but I did dissect three frosts.
	Usually it should not even be discussed in school whatsoever.
	You usually get to gender in preschool.
	I'm sorry.
	Hang on, here.
	This is so weird.
	This is bizarre.
	I was going to say, this is bizarre.
	I don't actually understand this.
	What age?
	What age do you start talking about?
	Oh, what the?
	What about like middle school when people start going?
	No, because that is the most crucial part of your growing up.
	Because that's like your most crucial part of growing up.
	And if you start.
	Local paladins donated $30.
	Grace is Gen Z-based or just you?
	Jester.
	I don't know.
	It's also just like what's why.
	So Russian education, so I got this right.
	Russian education is better than American education, but you only were there till you were in fourth grade or fifth grade?
	Fifth grade, yes.
	And then when I moved here.
	Why would you say that it's better education?
	Wait, wait, wait.
	Did you go back and repeat one through five in the United States or what?
	No, I put that in the back.
	Then how would you know that Russian education is better than American education?
	Why?
	Put the hat on.
	It's a fun thing.
	It puts the hat on or else it gets the hose again.
	I'd rather get the hose.
	What is the hose?
	It's a quote from Silence of the Lambs.
	Yeah, I would rather get the hose.
	You can skin the colours.
	I think that's how it goes here.
	Can you just put the hat on?
	Let Grace spin it a couple times.
	Don't worry, it's clean.
	You sure?
	Madison cleaned it.
	No one wears it.
	Nobody wears it.
	Then why are you giving it to me?
	Yo, Teeny Sunflower.
	Thank you for the gifted memberships.
	Grace.
	It does not look good.
	Wait, wait, just keep going.
	Just let her spin it a few times.
	Am I spinning it?
	Okay.
	Okay.
	I know that.
	I don't think that's it.
	No, and you know what?
	It's okay, but again, I'm here to understand what it is.
	I want to understand how you can say that Russia has a better education system when you're only there until fifth grade.
	And then you go on to qualify that the reason you don't know what they teach about gender and things that you learn here in the United States is because you're only there until fifth grade, but somehow it's still a better education system.
	I don't understand that.
	And also, if you're only there until fifth grade, when you're talking about the medical care that you received there, you were a fucking little kid.
	Yes, I was.
	I was in the city.
	So, what is the comparison here?
	That Russians treat little children better than Americans?
	Actually, well, yes.
	I thought you said you couldn't talk about children because you don't have children.
	I didn't say you couldn't talk about children.
	A, I'm talking about my own experience as a child that was in the hospital.
	I'm not talking about other children.
	And B, I did say you can have opinions about whatever, however, including yourself in the argument about something that you're not a part of, which you're not a part of either.
	So you don't have any children.
	I do not have children.
	It's like, I, you know, I can do whatever I want.
	I'm sorry again.
	I'm just, I'm, I'm tired.
	I haven't seen it.
	We're going to do a roast, a roast segment, I guess.
	I don't think there's really much else to talk about.
	If you guys want to get a couple roasts in, we'll do that.
	Okay, thank you.
	I am very brainwashed.
	Guys, TTS is 30 if you want to go to the roast of Russia tonight.
	The Russian roast.
	Russian.
	Please, this is fun.
	The Russian roast.
	Maybe it'll wait.
	Thanks, though.
	Here's the thing, guys.
	We can't end the stream until Mel over here sings the Australian national anthem.
	So go ahead.
	And there's less people here, so it's less embarrassing.
	No.
	Damn, Mel, what the fuck?
	Rude.
	I'm disappointed.
	I'm not mad.
	I'm just disappointed.
	That's worse.
	I'm just disappointed, Mel.
	I say you should sing it first so she knows what it is.
	She won't do it, though.
	But how do you know?
	Do you know the first and second verse?
	Oh.
	Oh.
	Yeah, I do.
	I don't believe you.
	I don't know about you.
	I don't think any of us believe you.
	Gaslight is it real?
	Yeah, you guys are.
	I do know the Russian one.
	No, I don't.
	I don't know the Russian one.
	I can just speak it, and maybe I don't sing it since Mel won't join me.
	It's Australians all let us rejoice for its own.
	River donated $30.
	Cult lady, you're in charge of customs at the airport.
	Do you allow crazy Russian girl in if she can't answer what a woman is?
	Well, I've been allowed in through custom several times.
	So Nick Six donated $30.
	W in the chat for grace.
	Alongside Andrew, you are the best that has graced this podcast.
	Oh, that's so sweet.
	Thank you so much.
	You're so kind.
	That just made me.
	Thank you.
	Law Paladins donated $30.
	The Russian Supreme Court banned the LGBTQ movement as an extremist organization.
	Russians are smart.
	They deported their worst.
	I have seen crazy stuff.
	Law Paladins, you're going to get them cancelled, bro.
	I've seen crazy stuff in Russia.
	They're very hateful people towards certain minorities.
	I'm not going to talk about the.
	I'm not trying to get augmented autists donated $31.
	How does a Russian immigrant become more brainwashed by Western woke ideology than those born and raised here?
	While we didn't do the best.
	But somehow, as good as Russia is, Western ideology seems better to you.
	Do you want to answer that?
	I was always this way.
	I always argued with every single person ever since I was a little kid.
	Always argued with everybody.
	Yeah, all the time, all the time.
	I did.
	That's why I was not unhappy.
	Is being argumentative?
	Yeah.
	I mean, on the show, it's good.
	In a relationship, not so much.
	Which is really funny because I don't ever argue in any of my relationships.
	I thought you just.
	Well, yeah, that's because there's 70 in wheelchairs.
	What the fuck?
	53.
	Excuse you.
	And the last show, you actually called both of us disabled, which I do not appreciate, by the way, because we do not get disability by the United States.
	Well, you could still be disabled.
	But are you disabled?
	There's also mental disabilities, too.
	Let's not.
	Which I am not chronically disabled by the standards of the United States.
	The United States is not controversial.
	Do you need a government to be disabled?
	I didn't know that was.
	You can identify.
	People need to be told that.
	Except I do not identify as a disabled.
	I do not identify as a disabled.
	I'm mentally disabled.
	I identify.
	It's just so astonishing to me that people can be like, I identify as this.
	You can't tell me otherwise.
	No, there's facts, and then there's not.
	Okay, so you think I'm disabled?
	I have absolutely no idea.
	Exactly.
	I never called you disabled or not disabled.
	So then, how is it crazy?
	It was just funny how you said you're like, I identified.
	I don't identify as a disabled.
	That's what I said.
	What do you mean, a disabled?
	What do you mean, you people?
	What?
	What do you mean, you people?
	What?
	Huh?
	Andrew, make that face you made last show.
	Lol Kaladin's donated $30.
	This woman has made me memorize Proverbs 25-24.
	Andrew, do you know this one?
	Thank you, Lol Paladins.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	Yeah, so I'll do it for a champagne pop.
	You'll do the face that you made, though.
	I didn't even see it last year.
	Oh, it was good.
	He did it three times.
	I would love to see his face.
	I don't know what's happening.
	I would love to see it.
	I'm pretty sure we gotta put that as an emote on our Discord.
	You should have it as one of those things on the bottom.
	You should just have it be able to pop it.
	Dialetto 4-3-0 donated $30.
	You're misspelling me.
	I'm applying the same logic Alex said earlier to basketball Americans in regards to them talking about white Americans or white privilege.
	W Grace.
	because you're the most wholesome and based the most wholesome and basest of the basest pineapple does belong on pizza stand on that stand on that but people have their DID YOU SAY IT DOS BOLLONS.
	GET THE FUCK OUT OF THE StUTION.
	JUST GET UP.
	Just get out of the studio right now.
	What do you mean?
	It belongs on pizza.
	We can disturb it.
	And then discuss.
	Do you want to buy me pizza?
	You know, you base card, revoke.
	Reboke.
	Revoked.
	Based card.
	Wait, no.
	It's okay.
	People.
	Here, I'll say this.
	People have their own opinions.
	They're intent to what they want.
	I identify as a pizza pineapple lover, personally.
	I also add a little bit of bacon on top of it.
	Oh my god, it's perfect.
	Let's have tomatoes.
	What the hell?
	I like tomatoes.
	Tomatoes are always on pizza.
	Remind me.
	Tomatoes are always not the white pizza.
	By the way, remind me for next time Andrew's in studio live.
	We will have a pineapple pizza on the set just for him.
	Can I please come?
	Andrew, there's going to be a Streamlabs dono for every trigger.
	You have to eat a slice of pineapple pizza.
	An entire slice, not even a bite.
	Sound good, Andrew?
	What you so donated $30.
	Grace was winning all pizza.
	What a horrible panelist.
	You know what, guys?
	I'd have to do it.
	Absolutely.
	If that was said, he donated $30.
	If that's the worst thing.
	I'm not a big fan of the show, and I don't think you get enough credit for keeping your cool and mediating when you need it.
	I agree.
	You and Andrew are always entertaining while I work my 16 hours shift.
	Keep it.
	I mean, I lose my cool.
	Dude, but Loki, I don't know how, like, no, like, no hatred towards anyone, but like, how do you keep your cool that much?
	Like, it's just like.
	He does.
	All right.
	I think it's like, you just do it in, like, a funny way.
	You, like, get in it and, like, put it on.
	I get tilted.
	I get tilted.
	You walk away for like two minutes and then you're like, no, I didn't walk away for a while.
	It's like 10 minutes.
	Not too.
	How do I, I mean, I don't, do I keep, because I definitely lose it.
	I definitely lose it.
	Especially at the beginning.
	But then you calm down into it.
	Then you ease it.
	I lose it for like 5% of the show, and then for the rest, I do it.
	Well, that's how you keep it real, I guess you could say.
	I mean, that's just like all you're having fun.
	Like, you could lose it a lot more, but you lose it really well.
	Like, you manage it.
	You manage it.
	In other news, Biden versus his own cerebral cortex.
	Trump versus a bullet magger wins.
	All right, the pagan.
	Thank you, man.
	That is true.
	Can you guys stop hating on me for my pineapple?
	I didn't think mental illness was communicable, but she's only been sitting on the side of the table for like 10 minutes.
	I know.
	She only been sitting there for like 10 minutes and doesn't like pineapple or wants pineapple on pizza suddenly.
	So, yes, it is clearly communicable, the mental illness.
	Let me go back to my side of the table.
	Mr. Bullet donated $30.
	Grace should be on the Friday stream with Maddie and Morgan.
	Then it can be the MGM Grand Stream.
	Yeah, we should down.
	I'm down.
	Tomorrow, right?
	You guys are doing the stream tomorrow.
	I think so.
	Yeah.
	Are you free tomorrow?
	What's tomorrow?
	Oh, wait.
	Are you going to do the stream?
	Because Nick's going to be gone.
	Oh, thank you.
	You're gone tomorrow?
	Give me guys the socials and we can talk about it.
	We'll figure it out after the show.
	Yeah.
	Guys, on Twitch, Maddie and Morgan.
	Maddie and Morgan have been doing solo chill streams where they just played charades yesterday.
	It was so much fun yesterday, actually.
	Yeah, it's not like a panel.
	It's pretty.
	It's just girl time.
	That sucks.
	It was actually really fun yesterday.
	Girl time.
	Wait.
	Brian Blintroller donated $30.
	Finally, we haven't had a bunch of people.
	My spring plugin is like this.
	Just like that.
	And comes back like this.
	Why was the math book sad?
	Because it had too many problems.
	No.
	New slaughter.
	That was a good point, though, Maddie.
	I lose it, but I'm not like full-on raging.
	Yeah, you could rage, but like you lose it.
	You manage it well.
	I'm clearly upset, but it's not like I'm yelling.
	No, like, you effing B-word?
	Like, I don't have like veins popping out of my neck and forehead.
	I thought you did the other day.
	Did I have the.
	No, Morgan.
	You remember when he had like something blue on it?
	Oh, yeah.
	You had something blue, and I thought it was from Morgan was like, Morgan was like, what is that?
	And I was like, are his veins popping off?
	No.
	Oh, it's from those other cups, the ink from the blue.
	Doesn't come off.
	It rubs off.
	I thought I saw a vein popping, but it's why you're wrong.
	Grab it.
	Yeah.
	Is that cute?
	Oh, sorry.
	There's like a super noisy truck passing by right now, guys.
	If you want, get your last few roasts in.
	We're going to wrap up the show pretty soon.
	I think we should end it on the bow video.
	Bow.
	I wanted to do the Patrice video, but like the girls who would have been good for it, they left.
	Damn.
	What's the Patrice video?
	Just show it anyways.
	You'll have to find out some other time.
	All right, let's see it.
	This is what I want in a woman.
	Oh.
	Boom.
	Huge bow.
	There goes my slippers.
	Obviously.
	This is actually me, by the way.
	This is a big reveal.
	This is me in the video.
	That's actually my ex-girlfriend.
	We broke up.
	Oh, I thought you meant like that was you.
	Yeah.
	The woman?
	I identify as a woman.
	There you go.
	That's what you can say, Brian.
	I don't know.
	That's my penthouse.
	You know, she pours my beer for me, stirs my noodles with chopsticks, but because that's what I use.
	And yeah, so.
	And you speak that language, obviously, right?
	Yeah.
	Play one more time.
	Let's see the bow.
	Boom.
	Huge.
	Massive.
	Very respectable.
	Yeah, so going around the table, would you bow for your man?
	It depends on the context.
	The context is: hi, I'm your man.
	Bow for me.
	No.
	Okay.
	I wouldn't say that, but I would never fucking say it.
	He said the way I would bow in.
	I would just get on your hands and knees.
	Let me see a bow.
	Hit it.
	Hit the bow.
	We're not exchanging in the kinky situation.
	We haven't had the proper talk yet.
	The average Brian 30 minutes into a podcast.
	Holy shit, what the frick?
	Come on, you got pre-show notes.
	I'm tilted.
	Yes, I would say Brian handles stress pretty well.
	Compared to other people?
	I don't think so.
	I don't know.
	I think you handle it in the way that's respectable for the podcast.
	Do you meditate?
	For the first time ever, I'm self-aware.
	Also, Andrew, I'm not.
	Last show, a girl kept interrupting, and I lost my cool.
	I told her to shut the F up.
	Told her to shut the F up.
	I said it in the nice way.
	Can you just shut it up?
	Oh, yeah, it's always better if it's a question.
	I ask it in the question.
	It makes it nicer.
	Except to.
	No, but look, I'm not, I can take accountability.
	I should not have told her to shut the F up.
	Andrew thinks it was just fine.
	He was like, good on you, Brian.
	Good job.
	He liked it.
	How annoying.
	Well, here's the thing.
	Again, Schrodinger's feminist.
	Badass boss babe.
	Epic in every way.
	Oh, no, you said shut the fuck up.
	My feelings are hurt.
	And I was like, well, you know, I really can't have it both ways here.
	I think that if you're argumentative and you're being a brat, something like this, someone tells you to shut the fuck up.
	Who cares?
	Yeah, and it goes both ways.
	And that's the worthy of it.
	Yeah, I've been called every horrible name you can think of on this show, and I've never rage quit it.
	Yeah.
	Oh, let's see.
	Well, the other thing is she claimed to be a stoic, right?
	And the stoic would not leave.
	Actually, it's not clear to me actually watching it back if it was because I said that or the blue, the girl in the blue dress, was just absolutely digging into her.
	It might have been that.
	I think it was.
	I think it was that.
	Maybe it was an amalgamation of things that contributed to it.
	Guys, I have a wedding ring right here.
	Whoever sends in the next chat gets to choose who I propose to.
	So here it is.
	You send in the chat.
	You get to say, Brian, proposed to this person.
	I cannot propose to a man, though, so don't make me propose to Andrew or Nick or Desmond.
	Sorry for your loss, guys.
	Or Alex.
	Wow.
	Okay.
	Thank you.
	Because she's not.
	She's a woman.
	You're a they?
	Are you a they or a they?
	He, she, I go by anything you call it.
	Can I call you a he?
	I have people call me he, but I mean, I'm wearing my presenting as a hero.
	I just want to respect your pronouns.
	I'm not.
	Brian can't get married.
	It's still open.
	I could still propose to somebody.
	He does have a ring, everybody.
	Do have a ring.
	Do have a ring.
	You know what?
	I'll propose to you if you sing the Australian National.
	Much love from Australia.
	Thank you for the weekly entertainment.
	Andrew, huge fan, but curious as to why you think Australia is fake.
	Ha ha ha.
	Vex donated $30.
	Thank you.
	The shot was fired at 6.11 p.m.
	Ephesians 6.11.
	Put on the armor of God so that you may be able to stand firm against the tactics of the devil.
	Also, Brian proposed grace.
	Yeah, you know.
	But it wasn't 6-11 everywhere, right?
	It was only 6-11 in whatever place you're saying.
	It was 6-11.
	I just want to point this out to you that, you know, there's that fact.
	So there is nuance.
	Yeah, I never said that things aren't nuanced.
	I said everything's not nuanced.
	Well, I didn't say every single thing.
	Your literal words were everything is nuanced.
	Those were your actual literal words.
	Everything was worth it.
	Every single thing that ever exists is not nuanced.
	Look at that shoulder vascularity.
	I don't know.
	There's a little bit of nuance there.
	Shoulder vascularity.
	I'm trying to, you know, that scene from American Psycho where he's like looking at the business card and he's like, I don't know.
	Andrew, have you seen American Psycho?
	Yeah.
	He's like, whatever is this going on?
	It's what the frick?
	Hold on.
	The cardstock.
	The thickness of it.
	The vascularity of the shoulder.
	Okay.
	I'd donated $30.
	Sup, Grace.
	Oh, my God.
	I majored in math and philosophy.
	We could use some Russian cultural influence here.
	Except kids peeing in public.
	Even my cats know to use the litter box.
	Oh, my God.
	I hate when people pee in public.
	That's a very big problem in this shop.
	Yeah, I forgot.
	Vex Sith said I have to propose to Grace.
	So how does it open?
	Okay.
	You're proposing.
	Everyday prisons donated $30.
	Love you, Brian.
	Andrew, this is for you.
	Briefly, what is your view on unclean foods such as pork?
	And what do you think of Christians that follow these dietary rules?
	What do you mean, unclean foods such as pork?
	There was complete reconciliation on this.
	I love, personally, I love bacon and I love pepperoni and I love basically everything that's made out of pork.
	I'm a big fan of.
	If there's pig somehow ground up and thrown into it, it's probably going to taste better.
	I agree with you on that.
	Yeah.
	All right.
	Okay, proposal time.
	Robbie Heck Music donated $30.
	Christ is God.
	All right, Robbie Heck, music.
	Thank you, man.
	Appreciate it.
	Appreciate it.
	Okay.
	Hurry.
	I'll be out of the way.
	Grace, Gertrude.
	Oh, don't do me dirty like that.
	You're doing so dirty with that.
	Saxon?
	What the fuck?
	Last name is that.
	Will you marry me?
	Take me on a date first, then maybe.
	Because I like everything.
	It wasn't like.
	Can I say?
	No, I'm kidding.
	Boom.
	Okay.
	There you go.
	Got yours, guys.
	I'm now.
	Well, I'm not married.
	But engaged.
	Potentially.
	It's a mate.
	It's a maybe.
	I got to jump through hoops.
	Yeah.
	All right, so easy woman to get the ring or no, because I don't want the ring.
	Got to show me you want me.
	All right, there you go.
	See, you have to try harder.
	Okay.
	All right.
	We're going to wrap the show there.
	Actually, no, we have to stay here until like 3 a.m. until she does the Australian national anthem.
	I'm sorry, guys.
	That's not happening.
	I'm kidding.
	I'm kidding.
	Okay.
	We're going to do Twitch raid, and then we need to raid Andrew 2.
	Andrew, I'm going to get that set up.
	So you're going to stream for a little longer, yeah, Andrew?
	I do have to wrap it a little early.
	I'm finishing a couple things up.
	I do apologize to whatever podcast that I was a little bit late tonight.
	Oh, good.
	I had some other things which were going on, but I was able to make a mistake.
	The average man will not keep his cool throughout six to eight hours listening to occasional nonsense.
	You laugh shout mildly compared to others.
	The girls that get under your skin deserve to be put in place.
	Dotter show.
	I couldn't.
	Women make rules for beaters, and they agree to marry alphas they just met.
	Somebody in the Twitch chat says, I get mad at the girls who are late, but Andrew Andrew, he says, All good too.
	Well, first off, Andrew let me know far ahead of time.
	And me and Andrew have an ongoing relationship, essentially.
	And he's told me that occasionally there will be instances where he will be running late.
	In any case, the show ran perfectly smoothly prior to Andrew coming, and it was great to have him while he was here.
	But yeah, Andrew gave me quite a bit of advanced notice that he was going to be late.
	And he's also a call-in, too, which is a little different.
	And he also stayed the whole time.
	Yeah, I was also saying he stayed the whole time.
	Andrew, did you have to take off now?
	Yeah, I do.
	But guys, I really appreciate it.
	It was very nice to meet all of you.
	It was nice to meet you.
	Even Alex.
	Okay, Alex, it was fun to spar back and forth with you.
	You know, you have a good time on this podcast.
	I know you do.
	But anyway, I appreciate it very much, guys.
	And have a wonderful night.
	Have a good night.
	Thank you for coming, Andrew.
	Oh, Andrew, if you're able to do a raid?
	Oh, can you do a raid for it to us?
	Awesome.
	Yeah, yeah, of course.
	Oh, awesome.
	Sweet.
	Thank you, Andrew.
	Appreciate it.
	And guys, check out the Crucibleyoutube.com slash.
	I actually don't know the exact URL, but it's The Crucible on YouTube.
	And drop him a subscribe, guys.
	The fastest-growing debate channel on YouTube with the great Andrew Wilson blood sports debater.
	So be sure to follow him everywhere that you can.
	On Twitch, we're going to do a raid.
	Give me just one moment to get that set up.
	Who do we have?
	We have Wo Grandma.
	Oh, man.
	Oh, man.
	The name is really funny because I was actually called several times by several people that I'm a voice of reason.
	So I just think that's a little bit erroneous.
	Erroneous.
	Sorry, you just said you're the voice of reason.
	I have been called that by several people, which is, I just, I just thought that was very funny.
	Yeah, I know.
	I don't get it either.
	She said it first.
	Yeah, no, I don't get it.
	I just do whatever I feel is whatever I feel.
	I was literally called that in someone else's contacts.
	The name for me was the voice of reason.
	But that person was crazier than I was.
	Okay.
	No, because again, that person was way crazier than I was.
	All right.
	Okay, so let me do my little outro stuff here.
	Let me do the outro stuff.
	GG, well played to the panel.
	Last call, hit the like button, please, on your way out.
	Thank you for tuning in tonight.
	You can thank anyone in the world, but you're here with me.
	I appreciate that.
	Thank you to everyone who's super chats on supports.
	We will be live going to sorry.
	Thank you to everyone who super chats, donates, and supports the show.
	We will be live again tomorrow on Twitch with Morgan, Madison, and Grace Gertrude Saxon.
	Wonderful.
	Yep.
	There you go, guys.
	And I think that's.
	Oh, yeah.
	And then we'll be back dating talk Sunday, Tuesday.
	Any girls who want to be on the show, DM out whatever on Instagram.
	If you can make it to Sant Barbara.
	Oh, seven's in the chat.
	Let me get this raid going on Twitch.
	Yeah, you can pull up Woah.
	Woah.
	Oh, guys, if you're still over there on Twitch with us, drop us a follow, boys.
	If you like the content that we do, all I ask is for a little follow in the layer.
	Drop us a prime sub if you have one.
	It's been 15 minutes since we've had a prime.
	I think it's bugged.
	Can you guys just test out a prime sub?
	I think it's bugged.
	Help.
	Thank you, thank you, thank you.
	That's what I was looking for.
	I think it's bugged, so help just help us check if it's still bugged.
	Pull up woe grandma.
	She's playing World of Warcraft.
	She's 82, boys.
	So be nice.
	She's playing World of Warcraft.
	I'm going to start the raid in 10 seconds.
	Thank you all who watch on Twitch.
	Really appreciate it.
	We have Twitch exclusive streams.
	And those are lovely.
	So be sure to check those out.
	Okay, raid going now.
	Thank you guys for watching on Twitch.
	Hope you guys have a good night.
	I have all the healers leveled to 70.
	I used to heal with all of them, but so precious.
	Hey, what's whatever is the back?
	Hello, everybody, from whatever.
	Welcome.
	She looks like she's a bad.
	Well, she's playing retail, so I don't know about six druids.
	God, that's a lot of druids.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Hope she has a good stream.
	And then a final thing here: did the TTS from Lol Paladins come through about the make rule for betas?
	Thank you.
	Yeah.
	That one came through.
	Okay.
	I love Ra.
	Thank you.
	Was there anything else?
	I feel like we're forgetting something.
	Forgetting something?
	Oh.
	Okay.
	Anyways, I think that I feel like there was a follower of yours and a longtime listener who has asked me several questions to ask, and I've sent it to you guys.
	I don't know if you've seen it.
	I'm not asking about it now.
	I'm just saying.
	So to ask us.
	Yeah, like you and Andrew, like, and like your opinions.
	Oh, you maybe should have brought that up a little.
	No, no, no.
	I don't remember.
	And I'm not.
	Again, I'm not saying to talk about it now.
	I'm just fourth.
	Of course.
	Okay, guys.
	07s.
	What are we forgetting?
	I swear we're forgetting something.
	Let's see.
	Morgan, do you want to sing the U.S. National Anthem?
	No.
	Okay, cool.
	All right, guys.
	07s in the chat.
	I hope you guys have a good night.
	Rip Trich and Rare donated $30.
	Brian, what dirt does fat boy Andrew have on you?
	I'm convinced, since it looks like you can't do a podcast without the big titty single mom simp, grow a pear, bro.
	Okay.
	That was out of pocket.
	Thanks.
	Well, yeah, but I mean, we were doing the show for three hours without Andrew, and I thought it was a good convo.
	I agree.
	So, obviously, it's always nice to have Andrew here.
	Look, it's always like it's good to have any other guy just because then it's like not 1v7.
	So I can at least like, I can at least get up.
	I feel like I can get out of my seat.
	I can move around.
	Whereas if I'm just 1v7ing, 1v7ing?
	Is that a word?
	It's hard.
	Anyways, guys, we do have to wrap the show.
	07s in the chat.
	I hope you all have a wonderful night.
	Thank you to everyone who supported the show tonight.
	Be sure to tune in twitch.tv/slash/whatever tomorrow around what?
	3 p.m., 4 p.m.
	You guys are going to stream?
	I think maybe earlier if we can.
	Okay.
	The Maddie Morgan, the Eminem solo chill stream, maybe with Grace potentially joining.
	I don't work.
	All right, guys.

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