Whatever Podcast - Andrew Wilson HEATED DEBATE With Female Dating Coach?! E-GIRLS! ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

July 3, 2024 - Whatever Podcast

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Andrew Wilson HEATED DEBATE With Female Dating Coach?! E-GIRLS! ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) | Dating Talk #175

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	So, with that said, without further ado, we're going to have the guest introduce themselves.
	So, please tell us your name, age, location, and occupation.
	Go ahead.
	Hi, I'm Adeline.
	I am an OnlyFans model, model, streamer, media personality.
	I'm 26 and I live in LA.
	All right, welcome back.
	What about you?
	Hi, my name is Sammy Joe.
	I am from San Diego.
	I am 28, and I am an IFPB Bikini Pro, online health and fitness coach, streamer, and content creator.
	And you have a competition coming up here pretty soon, right?
	In like two and a half weeks, yeah.
	Exciting, exciting.
	You brought some protein with you.
	I literally brought a container of chicken and a rice cake with peanut butter on it.
	How often are you, how often do you eat?
	Every two to three hours.
	Okay.
	Can we get a double buy?
	We can.
	Let's see a double buy.
	Scuffed.
	Oh, hell yeah.
	Walk, Myron.
	Okay, cool, cool.
	Do you have to dehydrate for those shows?
	No, I actually am extremely against that.
	Water is like 80% of our body, so you need water to live and to fill your muscles out.
	So I drink a gallon to a gallon and a half of water a day, and then I drink that leading up into my show as well.
	Wait, the day, the day of the show.
	Day of is just sips of water, but I don't cut or deplete water at all.
	Okay.
	What is your go-to pose?
	Well, I have a full routine on stage that I have to do.
	Mandatory poses are front pose and back pose.
	It's not like guys where they have like front double buy and things like that.
	So we have like a full pros have like 60 seconds on stage.
	So it's a full routine.
	Can we get the most muscular?
	Is that what's it called?
	That's men, most muscular.
	You want to do it though?
	I mean, I guess I could.
	Okay, let's see.
	If you just like want me to flex for you, is that like the most muscular for guys is like when they lean forward and crunch their abs and it's not the same aesthetic.
	Girls don't do it.
	No.
	What's like the go-to girl pose?
	I mean, it's our front, like our front pose is typically when you're like to the side, like to the side, torso twisted, shoulders twisted forward.
	I can, that's kind of like in our glute pop.
	Okay, boom.
	Show.
	Tricep.
	Good times.
	Good times.
	Well, good luck on the competition.
	Thank you.
	What about you?
	I'm Ayana.
	I'm 22 and from Santa Barbara and I'm a singer.
	All right.
	We're going to.
	Oh, are you in school?
	Not anymore, but I was at SBCC.
	I was also a tutor for English.
	Did you drop out or did you get you got your, what's it called?
	Associates?
	Did I drop out?
	I've just taken a semester off.
	That's a true.
	Wait, how long have you been out of just since the end of the last semester?
	So just like a month ago, basically.
	Okay.
	And you're a singer, right?
	Yeah.
	Can we get the, what's that song you sang last time?
	It was.
	Ellet my love heads.
	Come along.
	All right.
	There you go.
	Got some talent here tonight.
	Okay.
	And what kind of music do you do?
	Is it RB, jazz?
	Any rap?
	Neo, so I'm not a rapper.
	Not a rapper, no freestyle.
	Everybody's supposed to go, whoa.
	No, I'm not a rapper.
	I also have been known to belt out some custom tunes for the whatever podcast from time to time.
	Just so you know.
	So you don't have the market cornered here.
	Maybe you guys can link it.
	Go do it.
	Start a band or something.
	All right.
	What about you?
	Hi, I'm Elsa.
	I'm 32.
	I'm from Austin, Texas, and I am a dating coach for men.
	All right.
	How long have you been doing that for?
	Seven and a half years.
	Okay.
	Seven and a half years.
	And you only men, or do you sometimes what if like a like lesbian women does that?
	No, I have worked with them in the past when I first started, but now it's strictly men.
	The only way I work with women is I pair them with men.
	So matchmaking.
	Kind of.
	It's more for feedback.
	Feedback.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	All right.
	How many clients have you had?
	At this point, it's somewhere probably in the 600, 700 range.
	Oh, wow.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Cool, cool.
	Did you go to university at all?
	Not for that?
	I did, yeah.
	I have a bachelor's degree in marketing and psychology.
	All right, cool.
	What about you?
	I'm Morgan.
	I'm 18.
	I'm from the Bay Area, and I currently go to Santa Barbara City College.
	All right.
	First year or second year?
	First year.
	First year, okay.
	And what are you studying?
	Political science.
	Political science.
	Okay.
	Do you know what you kind of want to eventually do with that?
	Yeah, I want to go to law school.
	Be a lawyer, yeah.
	Okay.
	Very cool.
	Do you know what kind of law you might want to real estate law?
	Real estate.
	Okay.
	cool cool and from the bay is that are there different areas of the bay like Like, is Oakland, is that part of the Bay?
	Yeah, I would say, yeah.
	Are you from Oakland?
	No, I'm from the East Bay.
	Is it insulting?
	If you're from the Bay, it's an insulting task if you're from Oakland.
	No, Nick, you're from Oakland.
	I sound a defendant.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Well, okay.
	What about you?
	Hi, I'm Andrea.
	I am from Los Angeles, California.
	I'm 23 years old, and I'm a model.
	I'm an actress.
	I'm a fashion stylist.
	I just, I do anything artsy.
	I do music.
	Yeah, that's pretty much it.
	Okay.
	School at all?
	Yes, I'm starting at the Academy of Dramatic Arts in Los Angeles.
	Have you done any previous higher education?
	Like a city college or?
	Yeah, I've done Pasadena City College.
	I've done Arizona State University.
	I used to study psychology and business.
	All right.
	What about you?
	Hello, everyone.
	My name is Giselle.
	I'm 23.
	I am studying to get my bachelor's in degree.
	Oh, wait, sorry, in business.
	And manage.
	Beaten Cheeks donated $69.
	Wow, what kind of losers seek a single 32-year-old woman as a dating coach?
	What an El Andrew be easy on Sam.
	She will put you in an arm bar.
	Shake your arms.
	You do jiu-jitsu?
	No, but Cheeks and I are besties now.
	Oh, okay.
	There you go.
	That's so funny.
	I thought with a rock this big, they could see that I was actually not single.
	I'm engaged.
	Is it a QC?
	What does that mean?
	Wait, Cubic?
	Cubic zirconia?
	What does that mean?
	Is it a QZ?
	Sorry, no, it's called a Princess Cut.
	Oh, okay.
	It's a very different.
	Yeah, is it a QZ, Princess Cutia?
	No idea.
	I don't know.
	My fiancé would know.
	Okay.
	I don't know.
	It's a family.
	That's kind of zirconia.
	That's like a musician.
	It's like the earrings you get from Walmart.
	That's a valid question.
	Do you want to respond to Cheeks?
	Do you think it's an L for not for you?
	I think he's calling the men losers.
	Gotcha.
	We have time.
	We'll talk about it.
	Okay.
	Where were we?
	Did you finish your intro?
	That I was just going to school for business and accounting, and then I'm still the manager at the auto shop.
	Sure.
	Maddie, what about you?
	Sure.
	My name is Madison.
	I'm 19.
	I'm from San Diego and I live in Santa Barbara.
	I work for the Whatever Podcast and I'm also a student at SBCC Studying Call.
	All right, welcome everybody.
	And without further ado, also, we have by satellite feed, we have the great Andrew Wilson, my Caucasian, take it away.
	Yeah, my name is Andrew Wilson.
	I'm the host of The Crucible.
	It's the fastest growing debate channel on YouTube, to my knowledge.
	I'm a political satirist, a political analyst, and I like to occasionally engage in a bit of debate.
	All right, welcome, welcome.
	So we're going to go around the table once more.
	What is everybody's current relationship status?
	So are you single, talking stage, situationship, friends with benefits, married, polycule, sex, cult, harem, whatever it may be?
	If you're single, how long have you been single, and what's the longest relationship you've ever been in?
	Go ahead.
	In a relationship.
	All right.
	Were you in your relationship previous shows?
	How long have you guys been together?
	About six months.
	Seven months.
	Six months.
	Six months.
	Longest relationship?
	Two years.
	Two years.
	All right.
	And your current boyfriend, he is he also in the adult biz?
	We both discontinued.
	Wait, what?
	Yeah, we both discontinued being mainstream adult performances.
	You guys just do like your own.
	Yeah, we're fully monogamous now.
	Yeah.
	Entrepreneurs, okay.
	But you're still doing adult content.
	Correct.
	Yeah.
	All right.
	Is that how you met, though?
	Through the mainstream trad, adult content stuff?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Got it.
	And he was a male talent?
	Yeah.
	So we actually, so we met through a friend of mine.
	I was, I got signed to an agency, a corn agency out here.
	Yeah.
	And I moved out here and I was looking for a place to stay.
	And I was like, hey, I just put on Twitter, does anybody have a room I can rent out while I fly back and forth from Texas to LA?
	My girlfriend was like, hey, do you remember that guy, Zach, from Exotica, one of the conventions?
	And I was like, yeah, she's like, well, he just moved there.
	He has a big house.
	He said he'd be open to hosting you.
	And I was like, cool.
	So the rest is history.
	Well, it worked out.
	Yeah.
	And so he, did he ever shoot with men?
	No.
	No?
	Because don't a lot of guys have to, like, in the mainstream, a lot of them will get their start shooting with dudes.
	Some do, yes.
	Okay.
	Some don't.
	Maybe that's kind of like outdated.
	Maybe that's like an outside.
	Well, there used to be a really, really big stipulation to where like you couldn't, they call them crossover performers.
	So you would do gay and then you would do straight, but you're not really allowed to go from one to the other.
	But now it's a lot more accepted for you to do both sides.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	What about you?
	I am married.
	All right.
	Wait, is that new?
	I know you were in a relationship.
	No.
	Always married?
	Always.
	Okay.
	Always, yeah.
	How long married?
	Two years?
	Two years.
	Together for six.
	Together for six.
	And is this your longest relationship?
	Yeah.
	Who proposed to who?
	He proposed to me, of course.
	Of course.
	Why, of course?
	Why, of course?
	It's 2024, you know?
	It's traditional.
	Well, it would have been 2022, I guess, when you got married.
	Yeah.
	Or even early.
	21 when we got engaged.
	Well, congratulations.
	Thank you.
	What about you?
	Relay situationship.
	Sorry, oh, what?
	Mm-hmm.
	Yeah.
	Wait.
	Mix them together.
	No, I didn't hear.
	I didn't.
	I said relay situationship.
	Oh, relay situationship.
	What does that mean?
	We were talking for a while, and I would just say that was a really situationship.
	And then we talked about being together, but then we didn't really follow through with that.
	But we still talk to each other, and I be acting like a wife sometimes.
	So, yeah.
	Yeah.
	How long have you been seeing this person?
	About a year and some change.
	About a year.
	Okay.
	So is it monogamous?
	Yes.
	Okay, it's monogamous on both sides.
	Mm-hmm.
	So for the one year you've been seeing this person, there's been on both sides no other people involved?
	Like you haven't seen other for the most part, yes.
	Everyone, we were like, oh, well, we're single for a while.
	So, you know, like if you're single and we just really enjoy each other's company, it is what it is.
	But as of right now, yes, it is monogamous.
	But you're not boyfriend, girlfriend?
	No.
	Do you want a title?
	If you ask me, yeah.
	But like, so.
	I'm not pressed, but if you're expecting certain things from me, I would appreciate being asked the question.
	If you don't ask me the question, I can't say, yes, I'm your girlfriend.
	Expecting what from you?
	Anything.
	What do you mean?
	Like, what do you expect from a girlfriend?
	What do you expect from a woman?
	You know?
	You're like, oh, well, cook me dinner, clean up the house, make sure that you're talking to me every second.
	Always answer your phone, do this and do that.
	I feel like that comes along with asking me to be your girlfriend.
	Which, that's why I said relation situationship, because you didn't have that shit.
	I'm doing it without the title.
	Okay.
	Right?
	Wait, so are you doing that stuff for him?
	Yeah.
	Do you guys live together?
	Sometimes.
	Sometimes.
	What do you mean?
	Yeah, he stays in LA.
	He's not homeless.
	I'm not homeless, though.
	I have my own home.
	He has his own home.
	But he's in LA.
	Also, stay together for a majority of the time.
	Okay, so it's like medium distance relationship.
	He lives in LA, right?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	And you're here?
	Not all the time, but yes.
	Okay.
	I only come back for shows.
	For shows, okay.
	Yeah.
	And it is a he, right?
	Because I know I think you said previous show you're by.
	Yes.
	I recall.
	Okay.
	So together for one year-ish situation relationship.
	So have you guys had the conversation about wanting, like, are we official boyfriend, girlfriend?
	Yeah, we had that conversation.
	How'd that go?
	It went great until the next day.
	Wait, what?
	What do you mean?
	We talked about really wanting to be with each other, not wanting to do all the extras, and then- What do you mean, do the extras?
	Like, fight all the time and like be uncertain.
	And then the next day we had like a falling out.
	And then we were like, well, fuck that.
	And then we still talk to each other every day.
	So am I in a relationship or am I not?
	I don't know.
	Look at uncertain.
	So when you did have the actual conversation, though, what was the determination made there?
	Like, did you, who kind of initiated it?
	Did you go to him and say, I want a title?
	Oh, no, that's not a title.
	I want to be boyfriend, girlfriend.
	You're not that type of girl?
	No.
	If you want me, you're going to show me that you want me.
	Couldn't the guy say the same thing though, if you want me?
	Yeah, but that's just not how I work.
	So if that's the type of guy that you are, then you should find somebody that'll do that for you.
	This reminds me of that homath video we watched recently.
	Like, if they won't do it, what is it?
	If they won't do it, find somebody who will.
	Yeah.
	Find somebody who can.
	Sounds right.
	Does that go?
	Should we pull it up?
	Yeah.
	When you find that video, it's in.
	I knew I should have said something more simple.
	We won't react to it quite yet, Nick, but once we get through the relationship standard stuff, we will.
	But just get it up just because that's an interesting convo.
	So have you guys been on again off again?
	More of a we don't have to turn it on or off.
	It's just there.
	We were just vibing.
	So vague.
	It's very G-vibing here.
	Okay.
	All right.
	So how did you guys meet?
	At Something Dough for the People in Los Angeles.
	It's like an open mic event.
	I went.
	Was it like a stand-up thing?
	Singing.
	It's singing.
	Yes.
	There's a whole bunch of different artists that come out and they sing their songs.
	They rap.
	They do all this fun stuff.
	And it was my first time going to one of those events and we connected there.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	All right.
	What about you?
	I'm engaged.
	Engaged.
	How long have you been engaged for?
	Since Christmas Eve.
	We've been together for four years.
	All right.
	Four years.
	November.
	Is this your longest relationship?
	It is.
	Before that, it was three years.
	All right.
	And let's see.
	Ever been married before?
	No.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Who proposed to who?
	He proposed to me.
	Okay.
	And how did you guys meet?
	At a friendsgiving dinner.
	Friendship.
	At a friendsgiving dinner.
	Yeah.
	That our friends were hosting.
	Nice.
	Okay, very cool.
	What about you?
	I am single.
	All right.
	Single.
	Any previous relationship history?
	Yeah.
	Me and my boyfriend, or ex, I guess.
	Yeah.
	Of almost three years broke up two months ago.
	Okay, pretty fresh.
	Yeah.
	Together for three years, you said?
	Yeah.
	I'm assuming that was your longest relationship.
	Yeah.
	Ended two months ago.
	Why did you guys break up?
	I broke up with him because it was just, he just couldn't keep the same energy that was in the beginning.
	Can you elaborate a little bit?
	He stopped trying, yeah.
	That's how I would stop.
	Stop trying.
	So he used to try.
	Yeah.
	But then got you.
	Yeah.
	Stopped trying.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	So how was he trying before?
	I guess.
	Like when you say try, what was he doing?
	Planning dates.
	Planning dates.
	Like, I don't know, simple things, sending text, good morning text, good night, like checking in.
	Just see the same age as you?
	Yeah.
	We went to high school.
	So I mean, so his energy started to lower from 15 to 18?
	Yeah.
	I don't know what that means, but.
	All right.
	And so it ended two months ago.
	Yeah.
	How did you break up with him over text?
	Well, we had, I mean, I was like, oh, we need to talk, and then we talked.
	Okay.
	Did you send the, was it a text?
	Yeah.
	We need to talk.
	Yeah.
	You already know what's coming.
	You get the talk.
	Have you ever, have any of you ever gotten like a we need the talk text?
	And then you're like, fuck.
	And then it's like the most, it's actually like, oh, like, what do you want for dinner?
	And you just have that adrenaline dump.
	You just have the adrenaline dump.
	Just wasteful adrenaline dump.
	I don't even want to eat anymore.
	So you said that he was, he used to put in effort, but then kind of stopped.
	So you said like planning dates.
	Yeah.
	And then, so it ended up towards the end, would you say, was more like just you guys would just hang out, basically?
	Yeah, I mean, it felt like we were kind of like friends.
	Like, I was like, oh, can we, like, you know, be like a relationship, like, not just, like, talk and be friends?
	Like, you know?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Any, so you've been single for two months?
	Any rebound?
	Has it been rebounds?
	Um, sure.
	Friends, friends.
	Friends of friends?
	No, I would just say like friends who have became more than friends.
	But like, not.
	Matt Hale's donated $69 for the 22-year-old singer.
	I don't know if you know this, but girlfriends aren't expected to cook and clean that's wife.
	Stuff an actual wife.
	Tell him, Andrew, Christ is king.
	I like that.
	Tell him, Andrew.
	I mean, I actually think, honestly, it needs to be the reverse.
	So it's not like you do that shit super far down the road.
	You do that shit immediately.
	Like, second date, fold his laundry.
	I actually did have somebody take me on a date once a couple years ago, and he was like, Yeah, come over.
	I need to grab something from the house.
	And he was like, Can you help me fold this laundry really quick?
	And I was like, This is the first date.
	We talk about fold the laundry.
	I was like, I think I'm going to just kick rocks or something.
	What?
	Wait, did you cancel it?
	You didn't help him fold the laundry?
	Eventually, I did, but I definitely made a fuss about it.
	I definitely made a fuss about it.
	I was like, why would I do that?
	What do you think this is?
	I did.
	But she did do it.
	Motorsports donated $69.
	He lost the energy cool way of saying he just wasn't that into you and did not want you to go psycho ex-girlfriend.
	Did you key his car?
	Did you keep his car?
	No.
	Why would I key his car?
	No.
	Are you more like do it tomorrow?
	Good idea, good idea.
	Okay.
	Well, here, we'll come back to that, but then so the whole laundry thing, you did it, but it was a begrudging, begrudging thing.
	Oh, yeah.
	Because what?
	Was it like his?
	Wait, did you smash?
	No.
	Because I didn't.
	Because of the laundry thing, or like you weren't going to do it?
	I wasn't going to.
	I just, I wanted to see what it was like.
	And you started like that.
	You did fold the laundry.
	Yes.
	Were you like curly?
	Because I wanted to get the fuck out of the house.
	Like, why am I, what am I sitting here for?
	Yes, I can help you fold the laundry.
	Can we go?
	You said that we were going here to do this.
	So why am I at your house?
	How do we even get here?
	It was his ploy to get you inside.
	Oh, and it was my ploy to get back outside as quick as possible and then not back in the house.
	Did you do a good job folding it?
	I'm a great, excellent folder.
	My mom has OCD, and I have no other option but to fold correctly.
	Okay.
	Besides the whole laundry thing, did you otherwise like him or was that kind of the I just don't think that we were that compatible because of the laundry thing?
	It was just different.
	I was trying.
	Nope.
	Yeah, it was just different.
	See, I think if the girl is willing to do it on the first date, she's a keeper.
	She is, just not for you because that's what you decided to put me up to on the first date.
	So just know that she got away.
	Okay, so going back to Morgan here.
	So, okay, you were dating this guy for three years.
	You broke up two months ago.
	He was stopped putting in the energy.
	What is that?
	You guys would hang out though, right?
	I mean, it wasn't like he wasn't seeing you, right?
	Yeah, but if I'm dating somebody and I have to plan all the dates, then why am I dating a man?
	Okay, so you would like, how often would you guys see each other?
	A couple times?
	I mean, we go to school together, so we see each other every day.
	Every day.
	Okay.
	And so you would like, when you say planning dates, you'd want to go out and do stuff and he'd kind of just want to hang out at home or yeah, pretty much.
	So you wanted him to tell you what to do a little bit more?
	Tell me what to do?
	Yeah.
	You wanted him to court you?
	No, I think, Andrew, Andrew, could you repeat yourself?
	I don't think she heard.
	You wanted him to tell you what to do a little bit more?
	Not what to do, but take initiative.
	Say, oh, I'm going to come pick you up at 8 o'clock.
	Be ready.
	And then.
	That sounds like it's telling you what to do, literally.
	I'm going to come at 8 o'clock and pick you up, so be ready.
	Sounds literally like telling somebody what to do, just to let you know.
	If you guys are together, then you're basically like coming to agreement that I will let you tell me some things to do.
	Yeah.
	There's intention behind it, right?
	It's not like he's saying, like, you better wear this or else.
	Like, he's saying, hey, I'm taking you out.
	So be ready at eight.
	Like, there's more, there's different intention behind it.
	It's more of a caring way.
	Yeah, the intention is to tell him.
	It's in the malicious way.
	That's the intention.
	Did you tell him?
	Be ready at eight.
	I'm pickety up.
	We're going out.
	That sounds like the intention.
	Yeah.
	I mean, we've talked about it before.
	I told him that, and he said, okay, give me one more chance.
	And then he couldn't.
	So you asked him a chance.
	I said, okay, then I'm sorry.
	I don't think she did anything wrong.
	Yeah, if he's not serving you, if he's not serving you the way that you wanted, like, keep that attitude all throughout the rest of your life because so many women in your position get stuck with men because they feel obligated because they've already been with him for three years to continue to put more time.
	So good on you for things.
	Not settling.
	He's a great guy, but just not doing you.
	Yeah.
	Actually, hold on.
	Let me walk back my statement.
	I think that the guy should put in effort for the first fortnight.
	So like two weeks, and then needs to totally withdraw and just push the entire rest of the burden of everything onto the woman.
	That's what they are.
	After two weeks.
	That's what they are doing.
	That's what they are.
	I've actually experienced exactly what she's talking about.
	Like, guys will put in so much effort in the start, and then once they finally have you, they'll like, that's crazy.
	We got, we got you.
	We got you.
	Wow.
	You know, we got you.
	Yeah, and then you lost her.
	Well, yeah, but they did for three years.
	And then they'll circle back in a couple months and they'll be like, hey, you know, I really, I worked on myself and don't believe it because they really probably didn't.
	And then they'll take you on a date and they'll do everything that you expected.
	And then it's just, it feels forced and pushed because it had the same thing.
	I mean, we were friends for a while because I was like, oh, let's like, that was like my best friend of three years.
	Like, let's be friends.
	And he was like, okay.
	And then we were friends.
	And then he said, you're leading me on.
	I can't be friends.
	I said, I was never getting back together with you.
	So I don't know what that means.
	Oh, you were trying to be friends after you broke up?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, that doesn't help me.
	That's a little too soon.
	It might be a little bit too soon.
	Yeah.
	No.
	Wait, so I'm trying to think here.
	So, okay.
	You know what I think?
	I think it's actually kind of fair, like for us guys to, like we put in, we do the heavy lifting at the beginning and then just coast.
	Get booped, donated $69.
	Did Girl in Pink just seriously say he isn't willing to serve you?
	So you expect the guy to serve you, but you don't expect to serve your guy.
	Come on.
	I didn't say that.
	Me.
	So when did you say that, though?
	When did you say that?
	Say that either.
	She did say that.
	I said she wasn't expecting to serve that.
	She did say serve.
	I said serve, and they took it literally.
	Translation says.
	Grid one motorsports donated $69.
	Maybe if you had thrown in a good hawk to or made a better sandwich, maybe he would have put in more work.
	Also, men do not serve women.
	Perhaps he felt you would not serve the patriarchy well.
	He's a brave and a decent man.
	He's a pioneer.
	Yo, grid one, good to see you back in the chat, man.
	It's been, I think it's been a couple shows we haven't seen you.
	So really good to hear from you, man.
	Always a lot of people.
	Andrew $1,914 donated $69.
	Back middle in pink, you are absolutely beautiful.
	I'll take you to a nice dinner again.
	Andrew $1914.
	Oh, okay.
	There you go.
	You're already getting some new prospects.
	There you go.
	Wait, so is it unreasonable to say that the equivalent is when a woman lets herself go in a relationship?
	Like how in the beginning she's all putting herself together, she's hot all the time, she smells good.
	And then somewhere down the line, yeah, like she puts perfume on or essential oils, essentially.
	I can't stand perfume.
	Whatever, shampoo.
	Conditional people.
	Take a shower for the effort.
	I 100%.
	And then somewhere down the line, just t-shirt and sweats.
	What's that, Drake song?
	Hair tied, sweatpants, chilling with no makeup on.
	That's when you're the prettiest.
	Sometimes don't take it wrong.
	For sure.
	Sometimes that's cute, but when it's all the time.
	I've definitely heard about the men feeling like, oh, I shouldn't have to tell you that you're letting yourself go.
	And if you get offended by that, then that's on you because you're the one that is really just not looking as good as you did before.
	Wait, have you had that experience?
	I have not had that experience, but I've had that conversation about.
	Wait, you've had the experience.
	No, no, they weren't telling me.
	They were like, well, if I told you like you're getting fat and you don't dress up as much, which would never be, excuse me.
	How would you feel about that?
	Do you think that that's okay and acceptable to say to your woman?
	And I'm like, ooh.
	But can we like backtrack and be like, okay, why is she letting herself go?
	Is it because he's not putting up?
	Like, like we said, he wasn't giving that effort in the beginning.
	So it's like, why bother?
	He wasn't going to tell me I was pretty if I dressed up anyway.
	Yeah.
	I definitely think that that is the equivalent, though.
	A guy not trying, I would say, is 100% the same as a woman being comfortable and not dressing up anymore or letting herself go if she used to say work out and stay fit, things like that.
	But now they're three, four, five years in the relationship or you know, maybe they're married, they have kids now.
	And oh, well, we have kids now.
	So my focus is on the kids and not my health and wellness.
	Grid one motorsports donated $69.
	Oh my God.
	Why is the feminist men's dating coach talking about women smelling like whores?
	She doesn't know what to do.
	She's got to a meaningful relationship.
	All right, Grid.
	Maybe you make his book.
	He's on one.
	He's grid one's.
	He's been drinking grid one.
	He's rolling with it.
	So I actually here.
	Look, here's what I think it is, right?
	So it's kind of when a guy does that, we're leveling things out.
	We're balancing shit out because the amount of effort we put in the beginning is tremendous.
	Orders of magnitude.
	I mean, tremendous.
	So then once we put in the work and we gotcha, bitch.
	We just want to coast.
	We just want to coast.
	And also, question.
	Do you consider yourself more introverted or extroverted?
	I would say more introverted.
	And what about him?
	More extroverted and introverted?
	I would say he's the same introverted a little bit.
	Is he homebody?
	Likes to stay at home?
	And what about you?
	Likes to stay at home or prefers to go out.
	Yeah, so he probably just wants to kick it at home, chill, relax.
	But after a while, it's so tiring.
	Yeah.
	That's tiring?
	Yes.
	Like, oh my God, I feel like I'm not doing anything with my life.
	I'm 18 years old, and I'm sitting in the house every single day with some guy that don't do nothing for me.
	Sounds great.
	You know, when you turn 30 as a woman, I bet you half the people aren't going to be an option.
	You can't mold a grown-ass man into what you need or want them to be.
	But if you got with somebody that's your own age and likes to do the same things that you like to do, y'all are growing together.
	It's different.
	It's beautiful.
	That's beautiful.
	Thank you.
	Yeah.
	No, I think, look, we got to do so much at the beginning.
	I think we just got to coast.
	Grid one Motorsports donated $69.
	I do not drink, but I have to assume all men taking the feminist coaches' advice our professional.
	Grid one, he's on the roast.
	He's on the warpath tonight.
	He is on the warpath tonight.
	Good to see you in the chat.
	Grid one, appreciate it.
	Let me pull up this other chat from E. Co Stein's here.
	Cost times donated $107.
	Thank you, man.
	Greetings, panel.
	Who in the panel would be so kind as to give Brian a proper bow?
	All right.
	Here, look, we'll get through relationship status, then we'll pull up the bout video, proper bout.
	So we can perhaps get back to some of the Morgan stuff later, but what about you?
	Relationship stuff?
	I am single.
	Yes.
	All right.
	How long have you been single?
	I have been single for about a year now.
	Longest relationship?
	About three years.
	Three years.
	Okay.
	Single for one year or so.
	You're not currently talking to anybody?
	No.
	Nobody in the picture?
	No.
	No dating apps?
	No.
	No sneaky link?
	No, no, no roster.
	No what?
	Roster.
	Oh, no.
	Friends with benefits?
	Nope.
	Okay.
	Wait, going back to you, Morgan, really quick.
	I know you mentioned there was a rebound.
	Is it ongoing or?
	We're friends.
	We're friends.
	What does that mean?
	We talk.
	So Sneaky Link?
	Sneaky friend.
	Sneaky Link.
	Friends with Benefits?
	Sure.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Do you have a roster?
	I plead the fifth.
	You got like a couple of Sneaky Links.
	We'll never know.
	I don't know.
	We'll never know.
	So how about just people you're talking to?
	Talking to?
	Yeah, do you have a roster of talking to people?
	No, not a roster, no.
	Okay.
	And you play soccer, correct?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	And because I feel like you got Riz, you know?
	Do you have Riz?
	Can I have Riz?
	Let's see some Riz.
	I don't know.
	Can you Riz up Maddie?
	Like, pretend she's a dude.
	Okay, I don't think I have Riz.
	Don't think I think it comes with it.
	I just like, look at her eyes.
	Look at them.
	You just look at them.
	Look at her eyes.
	Look at her eyes.
	So what do you do?
	Just like give him a look.
	It's good.
	We'll come back to the look thing.
	Donated $69.
	Grid one, take your meds FFS.
	BTW, now we know why she ended the three-year relationship she's planning on dating up.
	God, you gotta be nice to Morgan over here.
	Come on.
	Grid one, take your meds.
	By the way, North.
	What does that mean?
	Take his meds.
	Yeah, what do you mean?
	What meds?
	Grid one, do you take any meds?
	Anonymous donated $69.
	Many think a significant age gap is predatory and wrong.
	While celebrating an entire month promoting actual sexual immorality, is a 44-year-old virgin wrong to seek a 20-year-old virgin?
	Same phase in life?
	We can open that last question up to the panel.
	Is it wrong for a 44-year-old virgin to want to date a 20-year-old virgin?
	I just feel like the 20-year-old virgin has a much larger pool to choose from, and the 40-year-old does not.
	So I feel like you as 40 should know that you should let that 20-year-old have their chance because you had your chance all the way up until 40.
	Wait, I have a question.
	What if the 44-year-old virgin is Ryan Reynolds, who's 47, by the way?
	And the 20-year-old virgin is somebody who's like an amp.
	Oh, no, don't.
	Don't go there.
	Don't.
	Let's just say obese.
	That's equally as first.
	Which one is like, you know, has more options?
	Oh, well, yeah, when you put filters, I feel, what is that called?
	Wait, filters.
	You're filtering the scenario.
	Ryan Reynolds, 47.
	Okay.
	But he says 44-year-old Ryan Reynolds virgin versus 20-year-old random obese person.
	Find somebody who's ugly and name them.
	Please.
	That's subjective.
	Who's an unattractive?
	The little beast thing from a 20-year-old virgin of Hillary Quinton.
	20-year-olds.
	Obese Hillary Clinton.
	Yeah.
	What does she look like when she was 20?
	She was actually not.
	She was pretty good.
	She's pretty fine.
	I mean, there's other reasons to not like her, but so going around the table, anyways, I guess the question is, is it wrong for a 44-year-old virgin to date a 20-year-old virgin?
	I feel like it's not wrong, but you at 44 should let the 20-year-old have like have their pick.
	And I just, I just, it's not wrong because y'all are both virgins, but I wouldn't say y'all are in the same life phase.
	You can't be at 44.
	It's like a gray area.
	Yeah.
	But virgins are not.
	Are you really in the same?
	I would say no, but I mean, I'm also not a person to judge.
	Like, if they want to choose to be with the 40-year-old virgin, then go for it.
	I mean, it is what it is.
	We both don't know what we're doing here.
	You're a grown-ass man.
	I'm really excited.
	Age gaps are actually a thing.
	There's an entire subreddit.
	Your girl joined at one point for age gap.
	And it's a thing.
	People talk about how large of an age gap they are with their partner.
	So that's actually some people's kink and their thing.
	Your thoughts on this real quick.
	We'll just get quick answers.
	Yeah, I think it's fine because you have your choice to be with who you want to be with, regardless of your orientation.
	I agree.
	I think it's a little creepy.
	A little creepy.
	Okay.
	Just because a 20-year-old woman does give you the ick.
	Does it give you the ick?
	A tiny bit, yeah.
	Because a 20-year-old woman, I mean, her prefrontal cortex isn't even fully developed yet.
	She's still not.
	But it's true.
	She's not.
	Not the prefrontal cortex.
	We need to.
	I don't think it's wrong, though, to be clear.
	I'm not the judge on what's right or wrong.
	Cortex is one of them.
	But I do think it's slightly crazy.
	The abdual Nickelodeon donated 69.
	Bro, Nickelodeon.
	Name someone who's ugly.
	That's fair.
	That's fair.
	Why do they assume it's a 40-year-old man going after a younger woman?
	So if the question was, actually, no, they didn't specify gender.
	It did not specify.
	So, if it were flipped, I would still think it's weird.
	I think if you meet someone who's 20 and you genuinely fall for each other, great.
	But I think setting a filter for that is a bit of an interesting choice.
	Interesting.
	Okay.
	All right.
	It's almost like setting a filter for tall.
	Does it not?
	Exactly.
	Why?
	Exactly.
	That's all weird, right?
	Setting a filter.
	I do think that's weird, yeah.
	Do you think it's weird to set a filter for blue eyes?
	You don't say.
	Wait, what?
	Yeah, of course.
	I think it's shallow.
	Why would that be weird?
	I mean, if you meet someone that you genuinely connect with and you're compatible and they happen to have blue eyes, but if you, I mean, you're just going to narrow your pool.
	You're not compatible, are you?
	Because they don't have a trait that you want, right?
	You guys give me a little bit of a data.
	So then would you say that your connection to someone doesn't initially start by looks and then you fall for the person based on their personality?
	No, it does start by looks, but filtering for a 20-year-old doesn't have much to do with looks.
	It's just like a lot of things to do with looks.
	In fact, let me give you a little pushback here.
	Okay.
	I am 100,000% confident that 40-year-old men who are filtering for 20-year-old women, it has everything to do with looks.
	You're right.
	It doesn't.
	Anything else it would have to do with.
	But then is it weird for the 20-year-old to have their filter up to 45 for the 44-year-old to be falling?
	I think that's weird.
	Yes.
	I don't think it's wrong, but I do think it's weird.
	Okay.
	That's my opinion.
	Let's do.
	How about this?
	We'll come back.
	I'll write a note to come back to the age gap stuff just so we can get a little bit more.
	Hang on.
	Can I get back to this real quick?
	Because I'm just, I just got to know.
	Okay.
	Why in the world would you say that you don't think that a 40-year-old didn't the president of France get groomed by his high school teacher?
	Is that creepy?
	Yes.
	Yes.
	Well, I think that's a little different because there's like the nature of the relationship whereas like teacher, student, that muddies it a little bit.
	Someone did that at my school.
	Also, I think it's different if it's a 30, if it's a 30 and a 54 year old.
	I think they're more likely to be in a similar phase of life than a 44 and a 20 year old.
	Yeah, but forgetting the phase of life for just a second, we can get back to that too because that's just meaningless garbage tripe that's made up.
	And I don't even know what it means, just garbage.
	How could you ever say that a 40-year-old man who's filtering for like a 20, 21, 22-year-old chick isn't doing that primarily based around the fact that she's hot?
	No, I didn't say that.
	That is why he's hot.
	Yeah, no, you did.
	You did say that.
	You said that the looks aren't why they're filtering.
	I'm like, what?
	What are you talking about?
	Well, I'm just saying, if he met a girl that were 26 and just as hot, I don't think he's going to go, oh, but you're 26 and you're 20.
	So let me go with the 20-year-old.
	There's a guy that said differently than that.
	But also, I heard recently that once you're 20, it's like you start over again.
	So I'm a two-year-old adult right now.
	You hear me?
	Because instead of being 22, because you don't learn shit for the first 10 years of your life about relationships, like with other people.
	Like, we're not talking about sex and all the other things that you could be talking about in front of your kids at that age.
	So when you turn 18, that's when you should, when you start kind of counting it.
	That's what I heard, you know, like, okay, so I'm about to be a 20, I'm about to be a two-year-old adult, and then you keep counting up from that.
	So you want to date a two-year-old?
	Yeah.
	Are we allowing to be in watch?
	How does that not make sense, though?
	You know what?
	You know what?
	Hang on.
	Hang on.
	Let me use your line of logic here.
	You ready?
	Okay.
	So are we going to give the vote to a two-year-old?
	No.
	Oh, okay, great.
	So then women shouldn't be able to vote at 20, right?
	What?
	Back it up.
	What?
	They're able to vote at 18 because that's what you're learning about.
	You're not learning about sex.
	You're learning about.
	Stop, stop.
	Don't prattle.
	Don't prattle.
	Just listen to what I'm actually asking.
	Here's your logic: Do you want to date a two-year-old?
	Because you're saying he's a two-year-old adult, right?
	It's like, okay, by that same logic, do we want a two-year-old to vote?
	But it's not stupid.
	But that's not based off gender.
	A man that is 20 years old is also a two-year-old adult.
	Like, if he's 22, he's also a two-year-old adult.
	It's not about gender.
	So, what are you talking about?
	Women shouldn't be able to vote at 20 women to vote?
	Wait, guys, one at a time.
	Only one person speaking of the.
	So you don't want 20-year-old women or men to vote by that logic then.
	No, I don't.
	I don't think that you should count it as them being at their maturest point.
	That has nothing to do with.
	Because you're sitting at school every day and you're learning about politicians.
	You're learning about all these things that you need to know.
	But that's different from your personal experience in life with other people.
	It's different.
	So I get it.
	I get it.
	So you don't have enough experience in order to have your own dating preferences, but you have enough experience to participate in the running of a nation.
	That's big brain stuff, right?
	What?
	You want these teen-year-olds to run around and vote?
	Like, that's crazy.
	You can go to school.
	Donated $69.
	Macron's wife was 40 and he was 15.
	Yet I don't hear anyone calling that out as creepy behavior, even with the student-teacher dynamic.
	I've never heard that, and that is weird.
	Was 40.
	Super fucking creepy, actually.
	Okay, but I mean, in the defense of Macron and his wife.
	Beaten Cheeks donated $69.
	Men's dating coach.
	Poor thing doing awful advertising herself on here that wants losers to subscribe to her.
	Anyone going against grid one is against the patriarchy as an idiot feminist.
	Damn, bro.
	Drizzle.
	What?
	Drizzle.
	Why just one drizzle?
	Sprinkle, sprinkle.
	Sprinkle, sprinkle.
	Go ahead, Andrew.
	No, I was just saying, in their defense, drama kids are creepy and weird.
	So, yeah.
	And he was a drama kid.
	He's in all of them.
	All drama kids everywhere are little creepy fucks, all of them.
	Every one of them.
	So just going to throw that out there.
	So that might be why that relationship ended up happening.
	Okay.
	Here, let's get through relationship status.
	So we got your relationship status correct.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	Oh, I'm single.
	I just recently got out of a year-long relationship about three months ago.
	And I'm just not into looking for another relationship, just trying to figure out myself.
	But I am, if I do open up, I'm looking only strictly for marriage.
	I'm not really into the dating scene.
	Wait, so, sorry, you've been single for how long?
	I think three.
	It's going on to four months.
	Four months' longest relationship?
	That was the only relationship I was ever into, about a year.
	Okay, one year.
	And you said at this point you're just looking for marriage?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Has that always been your standard?
	Yes.
	So you've never done like any sneaky links or anything like that?
	No.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Why did the relationship end?
	Who broke up with who?
	He broke up with me.
	I just felt like maybe he wasn't emotionally mature.
	And then I also felt like maybe he just, no, like he just, he wasn't ready for it.
	Emotionally unavailable.
	Too much stress going on.
	He's a business owner.
	So it wasn't, a relationship wasn't a priority.
	And then it was for me.
	So.
	Okay.
	How old are you?
	I'm 23.
	But the downfall is I still work with him.
	So I'm just trying to get out of that loophole.
	Oh, wait.
	I remember you telling that story.
	Yeah, I'm still there, unfortunately.
	What was the story?
	That, um, wait, don't you, like, live with Liz?
	Lived with him, but I still work with him.
	Yeah.
	It's a little complicated situation.
	Good times.
	Good times.
	Yeah.
	You guys have already heard Maddie shit like a million times.
	Let's see.
	Oh, Nick, we need to pull up the, yeah, just make sure it's all set up with like the chats and whatnot.
	Boys, it wasn't a flake, actually.
	It was, I got, I got this DM.
	Guys, I get these DMs like three times a day.
	I don't often share.
	Like, sometimes I'll share it if it's interesting, but just assume I'm dealing with like these R slurred people like pretty much multiple times a day.
	Yes, go ahead.
	I can't click away from that stuff.
	Okay.
	All right.
	So this girl, this was on Sunday, woke up to Sunday.
	How the fuck do I get on this shit and prove that ugly white boy, he's so wrong at everything?
	And she's talking about me.
	And so put us on the other side.
	So I responded.
	I was like, can you be in SB at 4 p.m.?
	Boom.
	Hey, you want a debate?
	Let's debate.
	But as usual, as usual, you know, they talk a big game, a lot of bark, no bite.
	Every single, and I won't even, if somebody sends me a nasty message like that, I won't even get nasty back.
	I'll just be like, let's come talk to me.
	Let's actually have a debate.
	Let's have an analysis of like your thought process.
	They're not really open to doing that because they'll just get smoked.
	I'm not even a good debater.
	I'll still smoke them.
	And then, of course, I got my backup here, Andrew Wilson.
	But yeah, it's all bark, no bite with a lot of these people who like have a quarrel or who have, what's it called?
	State your not, what's the word for grievance?
	That's the word.
	They got a grievance.
	They're not prepared to come and defend it.
	So anyways, I just thought that was interesting.
	If you guys want, you know, just, you know, just understand where I'm coming from.
	You know, anyways, okay.
	I've seen your IG stories when you repost the people who are sending you hilarious trash DMs.
	Yeah.
	And they're funny.
	Oh, yeah.
	So on my personal IG, I won't post it on my main because then they'll absolutely get demolished.
	On my personal IG, which has not that many followers, a lot of these people will be like, send me a DM super nasty.
	Like they'll talk shit about like my family.
	And you tag them and I just die laughing.
	Well, because they'll message me and be like, you're a pussy.
	They'll say that shit to me.
	Oh, you're a pussy.
	Why are your comments turned off?
	Blah, blah, blah.
	And then I'll just literally take a screenshot of the nasty DM and I'll just tag them.
	I won't say, hey, go.
	I won't say anything.
	Within 30 minutes, they've changed their username profile.
	They've privated everything.
	And they're like, they're calling me a pussy.
	And I'm like, look.
	It was really scary.
	Well, it's ironic because their criticism of me is like, oh, your IG comments are turned off.
	And then they literally have to private all their shit and change their username within 30 minutes.
	And it's like, I'm giving you a taste of what I get every single day.
	Anyways, it's just interesting.
	I've only done that like three times when they send me something like really nasty.
	Like, I hope your family, you know, like they'll send me really nasty shit.
	It's bad.
	It's bad.
	I hope your kids one day, you know, just really fucked up shit.
	So what's that?
	Do you have kids?
	No.
	No?
	No.
	So, what's it called?
	Still, though, your future kids, you know, it's like crazy.
	Wow.
	Speaking on the unborn, it's crazy.
	Want kids?
	Yeah.
	Seven sons.
	I'm gonna have seven sons.
	When?
	I don't know.
	Fucking shot soon, I guess.
	I heard that a man can't stop.
	Like, you know how women, they're like, oh, women can't have kids after this certain age.
	But like, a man can have kids forever.
	Like, a guy had a kid at 80 and then he died like a week after she was born.
	That's crazy work.
	Why would you even do that to your kids?
	Oh, by the way, guys, we had Charlie Kirk on the show like two weeks ago.
	I still have his water bottle.
	If anybody wants to buy it, I'm going to put it on eBay.
	Just kidding.
	Okay.
	That would sell.
	That really would sell.
	I think so.
	His DNA is on that.
	No, I'm kidding.
	Charlie, don't worry.
	I'm not going to.
	It's just a bit.
	It's just a bit.
	I'm not going to sell it.
	Okay, so let's see.
	We got everybody's relationship status.
	Nick, was there something else we were going to pull up?
	Home math?
	The home math.
	Yeah, we can go to that real quick.
	Then we'll go.
	Home math.
	Homath?
	Homeath.
	Home math.
	Said a girl math.
	We're exploded to homeath.
	If he won't, find someone who will.
	Like, if he won't open your door for you, find someone who will.
	Simple, right?
	My brother just asked me, does that work for guys too?
	I was like, of course.
	So he's like, so if she doesn't cook for me, find someone who will.
	If she won't do my laundry for me, then find a girl that will.
	I didn't say it didn't go.
	It does sound so bad when men say it.
	It sounds bad because our society.
	So, I mean, is that so?
	You said earlier something along those lines.
	And I was fucking for the man.
	I said, if you can't, if I'm not doing the things that you want, go find that.
	You know, it goes both ways.
	It's not just one.
	Oh, and we also have to do the bow.
	Okay, so.
	I'm watching a lot of Bridgeton.
	I got my bow on lock.
	Good to know.
	Because she seemed to object, like she was saying, well, if you won't find a man who does X, find one who will.
	So when it comes to what men should do, she's totally cool with it.
	Like, so find a guy who'll open the car door, pay for dates, buy you flowers, blah, blah, blah, et cetera, et cetera.
	But when you reverse it and you say, find a woman who will do your laundry, who will cook for you, who will be submissive, et cetera, et cetera, then it's like, well, that's misogynistic.
	No, it's not.
	There's someone out there for everybody.
	You don't have to limit yourself.
	You don't have to settle.
	Hang on, because we were just kind of squabbling a second ago about this two-year-old kid.
	That has nothing to do with anything that we're talking about right now.
	I think it does.
	I think it does.
	Can you elaborate?
	When they're like, okay, well, you can't have my baby, so I'm going to find a girl that will.
	That's going to be a girl, you know, preferably in the 20s, right?
	Yeah, sure.
	In your 40s, and you're like, I want to have children.
	I'm going to go find myself a chick in their 20s who's going to give me lots of them.
	Right?
	Isn't that the I'll find someone who will?
	Isn't that the same thing?
	The reason that I think that these two things are different is because in that situation, you can't.
	Wait, hold on.
	Let me reverse.
	I said that both of these things work for bold genders.
	I said, at 20, if you're 21, 22, you're a one-year-old, two-year-old adult, right?
	So that was for men or women.
	If I say, I want to find somebody that'll do this for me and that for me, and the person that you're with right now isn't doing it, that goes for men and women.
	Because there are people that will do those things for you and make you feel the way that you want to feel.
	It's not about gender.
	So, yeah, I mean, I get it.
	So, if a 45-year-old man's like, oh, if you won't have my babies, I'll find a girl that will.
	And preferably one in their 20s because they're going to have lots of babies.
	That seems totally appropriate, right?
	If they find a girl in their 20s who want to do that, I praise it.
	Go ahead.
	If you can find somebody that wants to do that for you, I am so more than happy for you.
	It's not a disagreement.
	So, no ick.
	It's not icky, right?
	I don't, I can't say that it's icky.
	I've had an age gap.
	I'm just saying, like, if you're thinking about it, like, we're not on the same stage.
	That was the disagreement there, that they're not on the same stage of life because this is a virgin at 22 and this is a virgin at 44.
	You have had 44 years of being fucking this is what it seems like.
	Before we get into it further, I want to go around the world.
	Sounds like you got that one thing.
	Sounds like the ick.
	It can be the ick if I've done it.
	Before we get into it, I want to go around the table on one thing.
	And also, just FYI, we have boosted the TTS to 200.
	Thank you, guys, for those of you who sent some in.
	Just going around the table, do you object to age gap relationships?
	Go ahead.
	no no no no no no um yeah i don't think age gap relationships should be a thing You think they shouldn't be a thing?
	You just can't grow together the same way.
	Wait, but you just said you're 40.
	I'm not against it.
	I'm not against it.
	I don't have to be against it.
	You're against age gaps.
	Okay, what about you?
	No, but I guess it depends on the age.
	I was just going to say, what do you consider?
	So like my age gap is nine years.
	The guy's older.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	So it's like there's very, there are.
	There's variations, right?
	There's very many situations where you can have someone who grew up faster or they're more mature.
	Or like for me, I wasn't a big partier.
	Like I knew that I wanted a family.
	I knew that I wanted to, like that, that was my goal in life.
	And it wasn't to go out and party on the weekends in my like in my 20s, which, you know, to each their own, everybody has their own thing.
	But it's like, I knew to get what I wanted in life, I needed to look older.
	And it was like they just so happened to find someone who was also at that same mindset.
	So it's like, it's possible.
	Is it rare?
	Yeah, it's rare.
	But is it possible?
	Or like.
	I personally prefer an age gap just because, well, I look for a leader and I look for someone who can set that tone and environment for me to be submissive and follow into that lead.
	And I tend to find it in older men versus men my age.
	100%.
	And I feel like that's something that is talked a lot on this podcast, but like it's never mentioned.
	Like you have to think for every girl in her 20s that is looking for someone older, there has to be someone older that is willing to date someone younger than them.
	So it's okay for a girl to walk around and be like, oh, I want someone who's older than me.
	But then when we start to talk about a guy who wants someone younger than them, it starts to get weird or like people start to feel like it's weird, but you have to think there's two sides to it.
	So it's like we can say, oh, oh, it's fine for her to want someone older.
	But then when a guy's like, when a guy says that they want someone younger, we're like, oh, that's weird.
	Or something.
	And it's like, well, you have to have two sides to it.
	There's got to be someone for the other person.
	And so going around the table once more, and actually, as soon as Elsa gets back, we went around but didn't get her answer.
	Are you cool with age gap relationships?
	You found with age gap relationships?
	Yes.
	Yes.
	So going around the table, just state your age again and the oldest guy you would date.
	I'm 26.
	And at 22 or 23, I did date someone close to their 50s.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	So you would date into their 40s?
	Okay.
	Ryan Reynolds, 47, by the way.
	Just saying.
	Okay.
	How old would you?
	I'm 28, and I would say the absolute most I would go is probably like 12 years.
	So 40.
	40.
	Yeah.
	I am 22 and I've dated somebody who is 36.
	I mean, I feel like it's all about your mental capacity.
	Are you grown enough to date a grown-ass man?
	Are you grown?
	Are you young-minded enough to date a grown woman?
	I mean, a young woman.
	It's all about it.
	It's weird, though.
	Because I feel like you're kind of speaking out of both sides of your mouth.
	So you're, you go, well, you know, hang on.
	Let me explain.
	You're like, ah, you know, I really don't have any problem with it.
	But then when we go to somebody else, you go, there's no way that they're on the same plane or that they are on the same experience level or, you know, like whatever the hell that means.
	What does that mean?
	They might not be on the same level, right?
	But if you're young and you want to date somebody that's older, you have to be willing to go in and do the things that you've never done before because this man who is 40 years old is doing those things and you've never done that.
	You have no experience in it.
	So yes, if you are willing to learn and do more, then yes, you can be in an age gap relationship.
	But it also goes the other way around.
	I don't understand what the hell do they need to do.
	They're like, they're 22 years old.
	No, there's such a difference.
	There's such a difference because at 22 years old, I'm like, hang on, hang on.
	Just let you give your spiel.
	Let me talk for a second.
	Calm down.
	Okay.
	You'll get a chance to respond.
	So anyway, what do you think they need to do?
	If they're 21, 22, and they're dating, let's say, a 35 or 37-year-old man, what do you think that he wants them to do exactly?
	Be a wife.
	Hang on, hang on.
	Balance his checkbook.
	What?
	What is it specifically that you think he wants from her?
	He wants her to be mature and do all the things that he's expecting from a woman.
	That is not something that everybody knows, especially at a young age.
	They're expecting you to be this grown-ass woman who knows how to take care of the house, take care of everything that you need to get done.
	They are expecting more because they have learned about more women.
	They have grown and they have grown and learned what they want more than as a young person.
	They don't give a shit.
	They want to have sex with him.
	But that's not true because I've done it.
	I've done it.
	That's what I'm telling you is I've done it and he's expecting the type of car they drive.
	They don't give a fuck about that shit.
	What do you mean?
	It's not true.
	Maybe there are people that don't give a shit, but I've been in a situation where they did expect.
	I can demonstrate why I know that.
	I can demonstrate how I did it.
	Because you're a 50-year-old man.
	25-year-old women.
	Because men inside of their 40s who date women who are 35, 36 don't have any high expectation from those women either.
	They don't have any high expectations from those women.
	That's what you would think.
	Hang on, hang on.
	Right?
	You're going to talk and you're not going to listening.
	So just hang on.
	Listen to what I'm saying.
	Okay?
	They really don't have high expectations from women at all when it comes to this.
	They don't have some high expectations.
	She's going to be some work boss that she's going to contribute tons to the household.
	They don't have any of those expectations.
	Why the hell would they have them to a woman at 22, 23?
	The only reason that I say that is because I've experienced it.
	Couldn't there be both?
	Do you think that you were valued for your maturity and that you were valued for your insights into life?
	Or do you think perhaps you were valued for a different reason?
	That's not what I'm saying.
	I'm saying it's what he expected, not what he valued, what he expected.
	What he wanted from me was different than what I had to give because I didn't know about those type of things.
	Yeah, what did he expect?
	He expected me to be that girl that wakes up earlier than him, goes and cooks breakfast and does all these things to make sure that he's good in the day, checks up on him 50 times a day and do all these things.
	Why wouldn't a 22-year-old have the same expectations?
	I've also been in a relationship with a 22-year-old and they like it when you're a little bit more standoffish.
	I've gotten more attention.
	22-year-old.
	I just want to make sure I get this right.
	You think that 22-year-old men also don't want you to wake up before them and cook them breakfast?
	Because I promise that they do.
	I didn't say that they don't.
	I said that that's what a man that is of that age is expecting that.
	Whereas a man that is younger, he hasn't even experienced that.
	So he can't really say, oh, well, you're not doing this.
	You're not doing this.
	He's like, okay, well, this is what I want.
	Can't we?
	So you're saying that because he's ignorant of what it is that he wants, which is you to cook him breakfast in the morning before he wakes up, that basically it's easier to exploit him than it would be as somebody who's 35 and is like, no, lady, you're going to wake up and cook me breakfast.
	Is that, I mean, is that really the position?
	That's not what I said.
	Can't we?
	I mean, but how is it not that?
	I don't know.
	How is it not bad?
	Let's go to Giselle.
	Let's let Giselle talk.
	I feel like, can't we agree that depending on whatever gender we are, whatever age we are, there's going to be men who just want to fuck and then some who want the wife material and vice versa.
	There's women who just want to just have sex with a 40-year-old man.
	There's women who want to be a wife in the wife world, want to cook, want to clean, want to provide and be that environment for a man.
	Can we all agree that there's just depends on preference?
	100% because I think we can't.
	Damn it, Andrew.
	You just answered baby.
	I just can't bring myself to agree with this point because I just don't think it's true.
	Andrew, answer me.
	Maybe you have an Andrews.
	You don't have a wife, don't you?
	Andrew, answer me that for you.
	Okay.
	Are you married?
	He is.
	Do you have standards for yourself?
	How you want your house upkept?
	How you want your family to be protected or things like that?
	Is that not a standard for you?
	Yeah.
	Right.
	And it's a mutual agreement between you and your wife who has what responsibility to upkeep what, correct?
	Sure.
	Okay.
	So you don't just expect your wife to sleep with you at the end of the night.
	You expect your wife to uphold the standards of your household, correct?
	And also sleep with me, yes.
	Right, both, wholeheartedly, of course.
	Sure.
	So would you not expect that other people have those standards?
	Yeah, but I think that they're going to have the same standards at 22 as they do at 40 when it comes to women.
	So I think that men, I think that men at 22 would still prefer to have their women cooking, cleaning, and upholding the standards of their household as they would at 40 years old.
	But also at 22.
	At 22, they would fuck anybody.
	Let me get a word in.
	Hang on.
	There's a lot of people on the panel.
	Let me respond to what she's saying, okay?
	I swear you're going to get plenty of time.
	So to kind of get back to this, I think that 22-year-old men still want to have their breakfast cooked, and they still want to have their chick cooking clean, and they still want to have sex with their chick, just like when they're at 40.
	I'm just saying that I think that 40-year-old men who have a preference for younger women, honestly, mostly don't have the preference because they think, oh, you're really mature for your age.
	Because they don't think women at 35 are really mature for their age.
	I think that they think, well, you're really hot and I want to bang you.
	That's what I think.
	Bang you.
	Right?
	And I think that it tends to work out pretty well.
	I think it honestly tends to work out pretty well.
	I think that women are after them for the resources.
	Hey, they're after them for their youth and beauty.
	Seems like it works out.
	Actually, statistically, though, the age gap relationships don't work out as well.
	So anything above 10 years starts to decline in terms of relationship satisfaction and longevity.
	Yeah, and most relationships don't work out also.
	Let's let's go.
	That's true.
	But you're citing our marriage stats.
	You're citing marriages between these massive age gaps don't work out.
	That's far different than relationships, which we don't have a lot of data on, or the fact that, oh, hey, these 40-year-old or 35-year-old NBA players who are banging all these 21-year-old cheerleaders, they look real miserable.
	They look like, oh, man, they just want to check out, don't they?
	Boy, they look like they're having a real rough time over there.
	Right?
	I don't think they are.
	I think that both parties are getting exactly what they want out of that.
	Right, because those NBA players also have people that cook and clean for them.
	So their only expectation of these women is to fuck them.
	Oh, yeah, yeah.
	Do you think that a Dallas Cowboys cheerleader at 22 isn't going to wake up in the morning and cook and clean for their quarterback?
	Yeah, fucking right.
	Sell me another little bit.
	They usually have people that live in their houses that do that for them.
	That's right.
	But what if they're usually married to women who are not going to be able to do that?
	I think that the point isn't whether they do or they don't.
	The point is, I think that she would.
	That's my point.
	No, I mean, she probably would because most, again, a woman who is willing to take that submissive role to a man is willing to take on those roles for that man.
	But you're saying that every man just has this expectation to fuck whether they're 22 or 54.
	And you're saying the maturity level is.
	I know that this is.
	So you're saying your maturity level is the same maturity level of someone who's 20 or 22.
	I don't think there's ever an equal maturity level between women and no, no, no.
	I'm saying I was wondering what point we were debating.
	Hang on, hang on.
	I don't think that there's ever an equal maturity level.
	And what I'm saying is, oh, gee, older men like to fuck young hot women.
	Wow, I'm so shocked.
	I'm so surprised.
	This is news to me.
	Whoa.
	Who said that?
	This is mind-blowing stuff that young hot women are being quested after by rich older guys who want to bang them.
	Like, I'm not shocked by this.
	Wait, did anyone actually disagree with that?
	I don't think you're arguing the right point or the same point.
	You're saying, what's your point?
	My point is that you're saying the maturity level of a 22-year-old male is the same maturity level of a 42-year-old male.
	That's not what I said.
	You said, regardless, yes, you did.
	You said, regardless of if they're 42 or 22, all they want to do is fuck.
	No, you're strawmanning my argument.
	I said that their expectations of I want my household run are going to be the exact same, I think, as a 35-year-old.
	22-year-old men don't have a household.
	22-year-old men don't have to be a lot of people.
	They live in a dirty.
	22-year-old men wake up in the morning and say, Why are you here?
	I understand that I'm remote in.
	So let's be for real.
	So it has to be.
	22-year-old men don't have a household.
	22 women to upkeep.
	Okay, but let's assume.
	Well, first of all, they're telling you to go.
	Stop, lying and coping.
	Stop lying and coping.
	Yes, there are 22 men who do have households.
	Yes, there are.
	I don't know where you came up with the fact that there aren't, but there most certainly are.
	I was under the impression that we were generalizing.
	Yeah.
	So that's why I'm saying that.
	But in this generalization, you used it as a monolith.
	You said all.
	You said 22-year-old men don't have households.
	Yes, they do.
	And I think inside those households, which they do have, they have expectations for how it's run, just like 40-year-old men do.
	But also, a lot of 22-year-old men aren't expecting a woman to be in it all the time.
	Maybe different women, but not just the same woman.
	That's 100%.
	They're 22 years old.
	They're at their prime.
	They know that they can get any bitch they want.
	And if they wake up and you're still there, they're wondering when you're going home.
	Yeah, but that's the difference.
	That's the difference between that and a 44-year-old man.
	Listen, now we are talking past each other.
	So if you're talking about some 22-year-old playboy who's banging a bunch of chicks, fine.
	We are talking about men who are dating exclusively with women who are younger than them, but let's just say even the same age.
	I think that they still would prefer inside their household that their household be run and kept in certain ways.
	This idea that they don't somehow because there's an age gap is bizarre to me.
	I don't get that.
	I would think that a man would expect a 22-year-old woman or a 35-year-old woman to do those things.
	And I don't see why it's outside of the capacity of either to do them.
	I honestly don't get it.
	I guess it just depends on her preference.
	Their maturity level.
	I think they would all prefer that, but expect it less of a younger woman.
	Why would they expect it less?
	Like, how hard is it to do dishes and cook breakfast?
	I mean, how old do you need to be?
	Well, because you're 31 years old to do some dishes and cook breakfast.
	But according to your argument, they're filtering for hotness.
	So her hotness compensates for the fact that she's not willing to wash your dishes.
	Right?
	She's got to put in more work than the 35-year-old who's not as hot because he's filtered for hotness.
	So he might just be okay with that.
	44-year-old guy being a 20-year-old.
	There could be men.
	I suppose that there could be men who give more of a preference to the fact that she's more beautiful and would let things like that slide.
	Okay, I guess.
	But I still think that they have an expectation that if they're dating a younger woman, she can still do the fucking dishes, right?
	I don't think that that's something that they're too concerned about.
	I don't think they're like, ah, you know, maybe when you're 30, you can do the dishes and cook breakfast.
	I don't think it's the capability of doing it more so of the intention or the desire to do it, right?
	Because I know that for myself, because I literally lived this, at 22, when I was with someone who was 32, everybody that I was friends with was going out to the bar.
	They were drinking every weekend from Thursday to Sunday, whereas I was upkeeping a house.
	Not many girls my age at that time were willing to or had a desire to do that.
	They were still living with their parents.
	They were working a part-time job.
	They were spending whatever money that they had out at the bars in the world.
	But that's not that different than most women in their 30s.
	Right.
	Most women in their 30s are still out partying and still living that same lifestyle.
	So I'm not really sure that this kind of maturity argument works, right?
	This would just be kind of a case by case.
	Maybe it's just a hope.
	And I think that we're, the more that we're.
	How does that cope?
	Hope with an H.
	Oh, hope.
	Oh, sorry.
	Go ahead.
	But I also think that you're arguing the point of the woman's maturity from 20 to 35, and we're talking about the male's maturity from 20 to 35.
	You know what I mean?
	So we're talking about it on the male's perspective of like, we don't think that a 20, a male in their 20s is going to have the same expectation as a male in their 40s.
	Whereas you're saying a female in her 20s and a female in her 30s have the same capability or willingness to do these actions.
	What do you think the distinction in expectation is?
	That's what my, that's what the initial question is.
	Hang on, hang on.
	Let her answer.
	Hang on.
	Let her answer.
	What do you think the distinction expectation is between a 22-year-old man and a 35-year-old man dating a 22-year-old woman?
	I just, I think that a male in their 20s has less expectation of a homemaker woman than someone in their 30s would.
	Someone in their 30s.
	Like, give me specifics.
	I don't know what generalization.
	Upkeeping a house.
	So doing the laundry, doing the dishes, cooking, cleaning, making sure everything is kind of.
	Yeah, no, I completely discount that as being true at all.
	I think that a 22-year-old who is in a long-term monogamous relationship with a live-in girlfriend or a wife is going to have the same expectations that she keeps the house up as a 40-year-old.
	Yeah, I mean, but didn't you say your initial motive was like 40-year-old men only wanted to sleep with 20-year-old men because of their love?
	Because she's hot.
	That was the original argument.
	That might be, well, hang on.
	Why she selected for him is irrelevant, or why he selected for her is irrelevant.
	I think that 22-year-old men also select 22-year-old women because they're hot and they want to bang them as well.
	I still think that the expectation here for how they act inside of the home is very similar.
	I wouldn't go over to, let's say, at a 23-year-old friend's house and his wife was there.
	I think he would have the exact same expectation that I would for how my wife would behave.
	As far as cooking and cleaning and caring for the house, I would question a vague answer.
	I mean, I think it's just subjective on the person.
	And again, it goes back to maturity level.
	So you either have a really mature 22-year-old who has this standard of an upkept house, or you have a 22-year-old who's a complete bachelor and doesn't give a shit what his house looks like.
	Rolling stone, baby.
	So it's going to be based on the business.
	Yeah, but isn't that a goalpost shift?
	So we're talking about people who are in relationships with each other.
	And in this case, live in relationships with each other.
	And I find it difficult to believe that a 22-year-old married man does not have the expectation that his wife is upkeeping the house because she's hot any more than the 40-year-old man would have that expectation because she's hot.
	I think they still want their house upkept either way.
	But a 40-year-old man who's filtering for a 20-year-old woman is not the same as a 22-year-old guy who's dating a lot of people.
	But if you're not, aren't they both filtering for the same thing?
	Chick hot?
	Well, yeah, but the 22-year-old man makes more sense with a 20-year-old woman because they're in the same vicinity.
	They probably go to college together.
	They probably seen each other.
	They're probably in the same other direction.
	You said earlier that a 40-year-old man who's rich is more likely to filter for a 20-year-old, which I'm not disagreeing with because money does give men power and leverage.
	Because they can get them, but I still think they're going to do the same thing.
	They're both still selecting for the same thing.
	They're both still selecting for a hot chick, whether they're 22 or they're 42.
	So if they're both going to select for the same chick, what I want to hear is why it is they both selected for this chick, but do you think they have wildly different expectations for him in their home life?
	I think they might.
	Yeah, I think that a 40-year-old man who makes multiple seven figures has different expectations than a 22-year-old college guy.
	Good.
	What?
	Probably doesn't have a job.
	For her to be hot and to stay hot and to not make him look dumb when he takes her out in public.
	I think a 22-year-old man is the same thing.
	I think a 22-year-old man also wants this chick to stay hot, not make him look dumb in public.
	Yeah, he wants that, but I don't think it goes much beyond that because he doesn't have the opportunities that a 40-year-old, I'm assuming, man who makes multiple seven figures has.
	They have different life experiences.
	What got that man to be where he's at?
	Tell me these experiences.
	This is what I keep asking for: these specifics.
	And then when we get on the specifics, you go, yeah, you're right.
	They do want the same thing.
	So I want the actual things that you think that the 40-year-old man expects of the 22-year-old, the 22-year-old man doesn't expect.
	I honestly don't think the 40-year-old man expects her to do dishes.
	He probably has someone who takes care of that.
	He probably wants her to be nurturing and supportive, but I don't think he necessarily, I don't think he's a deal breaker.
	I don't think he's going to sit her down and say, Hey, if you don't do the dishes, we're going to have a serious issue.
	Yeah, well, I disagree.
	I think that they will.
	I also think that's a good idea.
	I think that if you're in a long-term monogamous relationship to live in a situation, she won't do the dishes.
	I think he'll be like, This chick got took on a date where she was folding laundry.
	I mean, what do you mean?
	Yes, they have the expectation their dishes are done.
	I think they do.
	Yes.
	I think you would have to demonstrate.
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	My wife is 11 years younger than I am, married 19 years.
	Maybe the problem is not with the man, but with you.
	Oh, great.
	You seem very disagreeable.
	Might want to work on that.
	Oh, I mean, there's another one coming up.
	Disagreeableness.
	There's another one coming out right now.
	Sorry, guys.
	Our TTS was down there.
	Grid one.
	I apologize that they didn't come in instantly.
	The TTS was messed up.
	My bad, man.
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	My wife is 11 years younger than me, been married 19 years.
	Feminist dating coach, you should refund your clients.
	And also, let me just get through a couple.
	Okay, so there were two 69s that didn't come through, so I'll just read them.
	David Treasure Act's Dream Looks Much Better off to Sushi and Poole.
	Interesting times.
	Best of the whole panel.
	Stay cool and keep calling.
	By the way, not sure if my comments come through.
	I'll just be reading it there for you.
	Thank you, man.
	Appreciate it.
	Oh.
	Okay.
	Y'all are delusional.
	Name one guy whose expectation is she needs to make money, pro tip.
	I've never heard of a single one.
	This came through.
	No one said that.
	Literally, no one said that.
	Come on, get boobed.
	Yeah, but also that's not true.
	You know how many guys want to be pimps nowadays?
	This is kind of what it's being alluded to, though.
	I kind of agree with Get Booped here.
	So what's being alluded to is that the expectation that a 22-year-old husband has or a long-term boyfriend has if they're in a live-in situation with their girl is that he doesn't want her to do the doesn't have the expectation going to do the dishes.
	The 40-year-old has the expectation going to do the dishes.
	So what are the 22-year-old men's expectations of?
	Let me tell you, because I'm actually dating a 22-year-old and I am 26, and I have also dated an older man.
	With an older man, I was not expected to do dishes.
	He took care of everything, and I was just expected to be happy, pretty, hot, and be a good arm candy.
	With my 22.
	Did he do your dishes?
	No, he did.
	He did it.
	So, and then my 20.
	Yes, so my 22-year-old boyfriend, Current, he does the dishes.
	I do the laundry.
	And go ahead, continue, continue.
	Go ahead.
	I mean, it just sims.
	Maybe it's also a generational gap.
	Hold on, let her finish.
	Go ahead.
	And so it's just like, and then I also dated a 34-year-old man to answer the TTS who expected me, and I was actually the breadwinner for two years and supported the entire relationship.
	So different men of different ages do have different expectations.
	No, that sounds like it's anecdotal only in that you had experiences with these men and they had different expectations individually.
	That doesn't mean as a whole that 22-year-old men with live-in wives and girlfriends don't expect them to do the dishes.
	It's just ridiculous to me.
	It's ridiculous.
	If you don't mind, where are you getting your data from?
	You?
	I'm sorry.
	I'm curious.
	So when you're saying data, you made the claim.
	Did I make the claim or did you make the claim?
	You're making the claim that the 22-year-old and the 40-year-old have the same expectations.
	I'm just curious.
	No, what I said to you specifically was this.
	If it is true that they have different expectations, what is the distinction in the expectations they have?
	You said doing the dishes.
	You don't expect that the 22-year-old would have the expectation that the dishes are done, the 40-year-old would.
	That is a you claim for you to demonstrate.
	I can't prove a negative.
	What?
	What?
	I don't, we're not, I don't, I still don't believe you keep referring to live-in wife long-term.
	And I don't think that's where the initial conversation was being had.
	It was just the general expectation in that age range.
	So think of someone in their 40s, the generation that they grew up in.
	They saw their parents, the mother was the homemaker and the father was the provider.
	So in that generation, that expectation, again, is that the woman cooks, cleans, takes care of the children, etc.
	Someone who's currently in their 20s sees this dynamic of both people are equal, right?
	Because that's how kind of the world is right now, whether that's what you agree with or not.
	That's just kind of, you know, how everybody is nowadays.
	So also someone in their 20s is most more than likely in college, living in a dorm room, does not have a household to upkeep.
	And that's just, you know, in the grand scheme of it.
	I'm not saying everybody in their 20s doesn't have a house.
	So if you're thinking about it in that sense, someone who is in their 40s generationally would expect the person that they're dating, regardless of age, to uphold a house.
	Someone in their 20s who is in college partying every weekend is not thinking about whether their laundry is getting done.
	They're thinking about fucking.
	Yeah, but I don't understand why that wouldn't be true regardless of the age.
	So the third generation is probably going to expect to get fucked too.
	Hang on, hang on.
	Let me ask the question.
	Like, I can't, can I at least ask the question?
	So I don't actually understand why that would have anything to do with the age gap.
	So you're saying, and let me make sure I steel man this so I get it right.
	You're saying that women in their 20s are often party girls, and so men who approach party girls in their 20s don't have that expectation.
	Is that basically what you're saying?
	I'm talking about way off.
	No.
	Okay, then what are you saying?
	Rephrase it in a way that maybe I'll understand it better.
	I don't know.
	I'm talking about the men in the scenario.
	A man in their 40s, generationally, is going to expect a woman to upkeep a house because that's what in their at their age, probably they have a house to maintain and they have they're at the point in their life.
	Axabullet donated $200.
	I am a 37 years old male, dated a woman for three years.
	She was 38.
	In three years, I was the only one cooking slash cleaning dishes laundry.
	Last week, I kicked her out for failing to meet expectations.
	Andrew is right.
	I'm literally saying the same thing.
	Yeah, but are you saying the same thing?
	I want to make sure that I do understand exactly what you're saying here.
	Axo Bullet is 37 years old.
	Yeah, one year of a gap.
	Axo Bullet is 37 years old.
	He said that he kicked his significant other out of the house because she was not cooking, cleaning, and doing the laundry, regardless of her age.
	Because they were living together.
	Right.
	And my point is.
	So my thing is, is someone in their 20s is not, is more than likely not prioritizing keeping up a household, right?
	In their 20s, they're probably in college.
	They probably live in a dorm room, and they're out partying.
	Well, then they're never partying together.
	Well, then your comparison is not analogous.
	Okay, but we're never talking about that.
	We were just talking about someone in their 40s dating someone in their dorm.
	That's the problem.
	This is a null conversation because I don't think that's a good idea.
	No, it's not a null conversation.
	We're not arguing that.
	I'm making a really bad comparison.
	If you're in your 40s, you're probably looking for somebody in the dating house.
	You can live in the house with you.
	If you're in your 20s, you're not looking for that.
	You're just filibustering, right?
	Let us finish our conversation here.
	Relax.
	Let us finish our conversation.
	So, yeah, I mean, you can mock, but I mean, she was nice enough to let you finish.
	So, anyway, back to this.
	The reason that this is not analogous is because if I bake into a hypothetical the same thing, oh, these two 40-year-old people don't have a house and aren't living together, I think the expectation is wildly different again.
	So, I don't, I don't understand how you're making the comparison of, okay, well, these people are living in a dorm, so therefore the expectations differ.
	Well, of course it's different, right?
	But if he was living in a dorm at 35, it would be different too.
	No, I lived in a dorm at 35.
	In college, at 35.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	Well, but do you understand the point of the logic?
	You're wrong.
	So the only reason it wouldn't matter if it's impossible for a 35-year-old to live in a dorm, the logic is if they did, the expectation would be different.
	The only reason I'm saying that the conversation is now null is because your initial statement was that a male in his 40s and a male in his 20s, the only thing that they expect from a woman is to fuck.
	And I'm saying...
	No, that's not what I said.
	Yes, that is 100% what you said.
	No, no, it's not what I said.
	I said that.
	I said that their expectations are going to be similar when it comes to the selection of hotness.
	That's what I said.
	Is it?
	Not that the only thing they want to do is have sex.
	That's not what I said.
	Lone Star donated $200.
	Andrew is talking about the framework in the selection for a relationship.
	Panel is hung up on the change in preferences over time.
	It is a bit of a sophist waste to say, but things change.
	Hey, Lone Star, thank you, man.
	Appreciate it.
	Really quick.
	So we were going around the table on what's your age and what's the oldest guy you would date.
	We got to you.
	We got interrupted.
	Why don't we have you answer the question?
	I think you answered the question correct.
	You didn't answer.
	Go ahead.
	I've only dated my age, but I think the oldest I would go is seven years older than me.
	Okay.
	And so you're 32, so that would be 39.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	I would say 24.
	So you're 18?
	Yeah.
	Max, 24.
	What about you?
	I'm 23.
	I guess the oldest I would go is anything below 30.
	Okay, because you did say you are against age gap relationships.
	I am.
	I am.
	I'll get into that in just a moment.
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	Arderline, more like out of line.
	Realisted.
	Yo, John, thank you for the TTS.
	Appreciate it.
	Thank you, thank you.
	So you're against.
	Actually, let me just get everyone's answers.
	Go ahead.
	23.
	My max is from 5 to 7 years.
	Okay.
	17, I would say max, like 10 years.
	Okay, so you said, sorry, you said 23 max would be what?
	I guess.
	29.
	29, 28.
	Okay, and you said you're against age gap relationships.
	Yes.
	Why?
	I just, I see a lot of people that date, like, you know, 20-year-olds dating 40-year-olds, 20-year-olds dating, you know, 40 and above.
	And I don't know.
	That just, that's like my dad's age.
	So that kind of gives me a very creepy vibe, a very ick vibe.
	Why is it creepy?
	Just because I think, like, let's say if my dad ever divorced my mom and he ended up dating someone younger, like, I just, it would make me very uncomfortable.
	So I just think it's a very, I don't even know how to explain that.
	It's, it's, um.
	Like, oh, now you're dating my friend?
	Sorry?
	Now you're dating my friend?
	Like, we went to high school together and you're dating her, but you that's a great example.
	That was, yeah.
	Does it fall into like religion?
	What?
	Well, it could.
	Yeah.
	And what terms?
	How would that?
	What do you mean?
	I'm not sure how that makes follows at all, but okay.
	Well, I mean, like, you know, if you think about it, like an older man, they have more experience.
	And like, if you are more like in the religion-wise, wouldn't you want someone to be in the same field?
	Or no, I think just because you're older, that doesn't make you more experienced or smarter or anything like that.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	So I'm just, I've really not really heard any compelling arguments as to why it's wrong or creepy.
	Because I don't think anyone said that.
	She literally said it's creepy.
	It does creep me out.
	And then actually, you co-signed when you said, well, what if we like she could have also, at the time I was in high school, she could have also been in high school, even though we're talking about the.
	I didn't say it was creepy.
	I just said that that's a little bit weird.
	Like, okay.
	Weird, creepy.
	Well, no, no, because you could do that because there's a lot of people that are like, oh, I want to date older men.
	So I can't be mad at you for wanting to date a 40-year-old guy.
	Just why is it my dad?
	You feel me?
	Okay, that's another difference.
	Exactly.
	That's a different conversation.
	That's why that's what I was hearing.
	I'm going to hear a bit more from you on this.
	Go ahead.
	Yeah, I guess I just, I'm personally, I'm not comfortable with that.
	I would like someone within my own age range, somebody that I guess I could relate to a little more.
	And I don't know.
	It's just my preference.
	You'd want someone you can relate to.
	Well, no, that doesn't.
	I guess I could relate to somebody a little bit older, but I don't think just because, I don't know.
	I personally would be pretty creeped out.
	I don't think my family, my parents would be okay with that as well.
	And that's very important to me.
	Would you date Ryan Reynolds?
	No, I would not.
	I don't care if he's America's sweetheart or whatever.
	47.
	No.
	Why do you keep bringing him up?
	You like that?
	Yeah, Ryan Reynolds.
	I don't like a lot of girls.
	I think a lot of girls think that he's got a good personality, funny, charming, successful, in good shape, status, celebrity, A-list movie star.
	i don't know i think a lot of henry henry cavill cavill or whatever the fuck he's also kind of superman superman Yeah.
	So, okay, it's creepy.
	It's weird.
	I mean, it goes back to being subjective, right?
	Everyone has their personal preferences.
	Everyone has their thing, their kinks, their whatever.
	So it's like, if it's for you, it's for you.
	If it's not for you.
	Well, so there's a couple angles here.
	So there's, of course, how women feel about it.
	And then there's different criticisms.
	There's like, well, it's weird.
	But then there's also, well, older men should date women their own age.
	That's another argument I sometimes hear.
	I've yet to actually hear a compelling argument in terms of the benefits to the man why he should date a 35-year-old woman over a 25-year-old woman who's almost surely going to be more physically attractive.
	Because is it just about attraction?
	I mean, okay, well, I have nothing to say.
	That's why you date people because you're attracted to them.
	I've dated an ugly person, but they were good.
	You're attracted to them in some capacity.
	Yeah, so you could be attracted to a 35-year-old woman because she's nice.
	She does everything that you ever expected a woman to do for you.
	She's hot still and she's 35.
	So sure.
	Yes, you can still be attractive at 35.
	That's not the argument I'm making.
	What I'm making is, is that I've yet to hear an actual compelling argument in terms of the actual tangible, articulable benefits to the man for dating a 35-year-old woman versus a 25-year-old woman.
	I don't think there is a benefit.
	I mean, if you put them side by side, if you put a 25-year-old woman and a 35-year-old woman and they have the exact same characteristics, mature, not take mature off because no one cares about that, apparently.
	But beautiful, kind, passionate about something, like actually has a purpose in her life other than him.
	If you put them side by side and he had to choose, definitely the 25-year-old.
	Why not?
	But I think that if you're filtering for that, everything else aside, that's what I was saying earlier is a little bit off.
	Like if you're, if you don't even, if we're just type talking hypothetically, like I just want a 20-year-old, but, but, I mean, if you see a hot 30-year-old, like, are you going to say, sorry, no, because you're actually 30, so I'm going to, I'm going to pass on this one.
	If everything else is there, but if, again, if you put them side by side and they're exactly the same, that's like saying for a woman, if you had two men side by side, he's kind, he's loyal to you, he's funny, he continues to court you, one's a millionaire, one is broke, who would you choose?
	It's obvious.
	Everyone's going to choose the guy who can take care of her also financially.
	So yeah, I don't think anyone's making a compelling argument because it's not compelling.
	So a 25-year-old is more attractive.
	So I don't think these men that would be inclined to date a 20-year-old woman and they're in their 30s or whatever, I don't think they would necessarily be opposed to dating an attractive woman who met their standards who's 30, for example.
	I think we're more so talking about the general, A more general point of view here where men have a tendency to also find women who are in their early 20s attractive and might prefer them over in terms of finding them physically attractive over women in their 30s.
	Which is fair because they're at their peak.
	But also, I think it's a little bit easier to shape a woman that hasn't been through as much as a 35-year-old woman.
	Like, if you've got a bunch of, you're talking about baggage.
	Yeah, you can say, oh, I don't like this, and I want you to do it this way.
	And depending on how you treat her, she'll do it differently in comparison to a 35-woman who's been with a man that's like that and it didn't work out for her.
	Does that make sense?
	Does that make sense?
	Like, a girl who hasn't been through that is easier to shape than a woman that's already been through that.
	So, like a woman who's submissive, essentially.
	Younger women are more capable of being submissive.
	Not necessarily because there are a lot of independent, strong-headed women.
	Yeah, but there is a bigger possibility that you could get a woman that you could make do what you want to do at a younger age than if they were older and mature and they've already been through a situation like that.
	Just like how you would count it with bodies.
	You say, oh, that kind of brings that kind of brings down.
	Maddie, could you read it?
	Dating coach might arse at 35, all the women in my dating pool were broken as blank.
	I dated younger because their value not just looks you ninny was much higher, less baggage, not as broken.
	So is he saying that the 20-year-olds were had more money than the 35-year-olds?
	Is that all broken, broken?
	They're not just beautiful, but also have less baggage.
	Less baggage, yeah.
	I brought that up.
	Same with quadrature.
	So it's funny because, and this is just being devil's advocate here, because I agree with what you're saying.
	Obviously, when comparing a 20-year-old and a 30-year-old, especially if they're looking for children and a family and longevity, they're going to pick the 20-year-old over the 30-year-old.
	That's simple.
	But it's funny because men look at older women as having baggage and more to them, but women look at older men as have had more experiences.
	So it's like what men look for in women is completely different than what women look for in men.
	So, like, when a woman is looking for an older man, she's looking for something, someone that has experience, someone that has, or is able to provide security and safety for them, whereas a man is looking for different things.
	So, it's just clear that we look for different qualities in the opposite side.
	Well, I think part of that has to do, like, when men go through difficult things in life, whether it be relationship-wise or they go through some trials, tribulations, it tends to make them more masculine.
	Oh, 100%.
	They become stronger, they become tougher.
	And women are when women become stronger and tougher, and they've been through more things, they become more masculine too.
	So, when you go through more, like, potentially traumatic things, you become, well, I mean, it can break people too, but you become stronger, more masculine, whatever.
	So, but women seem to be more prone to internalize trauma long-term than men do as well.
	So, they hold on to these kind of trauma-filled events much more than men seem to.
	And so, when you're looking at it from that aspect, I think that that is even the distinction that we would make between the masculine and the feminine in the case of trauma: is that men are able to shrug it off seemingly a bit easier than women are.
	It's true.
	You have thoughts on this?
	I don't know.
	I don't think that I don't agree with that.
	I think men, well, I don't know.
	I mean, I think it's different with each man, but I think they just don't show it as much as women.
	Either talk about it or show it, it still affects them the same.
	Also, in a different generation, if we've noticed, if I could be completely honest, younger men have became more soft than what you would have expected a man to be in a different generation.
	Yeah, I agree.
	Yeah, so you have to think like a man 10 years older than Morgan is 28, a man 10 years older than me is 38.
	So they grew up, I would say, in completely different generations and they're going to act completely different.
	So that's it's super interesting to get your point of view because a man 10 years older than me that I'm going to go after is going to be completely different than I'm not going after a guy my age because of the way he is and you're essentially going after a guy my age.
	Do you get what I'm saying?
	So it's just like I got a question.
	I don't actually think that men in your age group, even at 18, internalize trauma the same way that women do.
	They don't seem to be on the same amount of antidepressants, even at your age.
	They don't seem to have the same amount of cope when it comes to trauma.
	Even at 18, 19, 20, that's not what the data is bearing out.
	They don't seem to internalize trauma even then the same way.
	I definitely do think that men and women handle it differently, but I also think generationally it's handled slightly different as well, very minimal.
	But I would say I'm 100% agreeing with you that women internalize it differently than men.
	But I also think that men nowadays are more emotional than men.
	Well, do you think that they're more emotional or do you think, or do you think they want to be more emotional?
	Or do you think that they're told that kind of this feminized expectation of, no, it is okay to share your emotions, which is always a bad idea for men to do.
	Don't you think that that's a kind of a feminized outlook where kind of feminists are pushing that men get more in touch with their feminist side, even though they themselves seem to hate when they actually do.
	Because if you think about it, like think of like my father and my grandfather, it's like a boy cries and it's like, toughen up.
	But nowadays it's like they get upset and it's like, no, honey, it's okay to cry.
	So it's again, that's generational.
	Like nowadays.
	Do you have thoughts on this?
	Go ahead.
	I just think that I don't think men are, I mean, obviously like a man crying, they're like, oh, that's like some men are going to be like, that's like you're a child, like you're acting like a child, but, or whatever.
	I don't think that is a bad thing.
	Like, I don't think that's a bad thing to show your emotions.
	I think that shows that you're emotionally available.
	Oh, yeah, sure.
	So when the firefighter shows up to put out the fire, you want him to cry or after he's done saving everyone.
	Yeah, if he, if he, yeah.
	If he's crying because somebody got hurt and he couldn't save them, that's different than if he's just crying because it's fire.
	Right, but you're talking about emotional stability versus not.
	The reason that men are told not to cry and the reason that they're told not to share their feelings and make themselves overly emotionally available to women, especially by other men, is because they have to act under conditions which are highly stressful and highly emotional.
	And they need to be able to control that, whereas women generally do not.
	Women aren't the ones who are going to run in the building and pull men out, even if they see a baby who's on fire.
	And if they, no, no, don't look at me skeptically.
	They're not.
	There's no women.
	Firefighters are going to pull out 250-pound men.
	It's not going to happen ever.
	It doesn't happen almost anywhere.
	So why are women being drafted?
	It's a bizarre rare fluke.
	But anyway, so this aside, yeah, they're told to control their emotions because of that.
	Because if they're in a situation which is highly stressful, they can't collapse under that weight.
	Yeah, I think there's situations where you shouldn't be, you can control your emotions, but that doesn't mean that they can't express their emotions in other situations.
	Yeah, perhaps they can, right?
	But the more that you train a person to become too emotionally expressive to break down their kind of stoic frame, if you will, the more likely that there are to do that, even under situations which are highly stressful.
	So if you're a person who controls your emotions in an outsider situation, you're less prone to act on that.
	The only reason a man should cry is if there is smoke in his eyes.
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	Appreciate it.
	Wait, so you guys.
	Just to finish it off, just very quickly, what I was saying is that the more that you break your frame, let's just call it a stoic frame.
	That's not really accurate, but I think it's accurate enough.
	The more that you break that, the more prone you will be to break that even under a highly stressful situation.
	Do you understand what I'm saying?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	So you guys think that, actually, right, let's do Twitch really quick.
	Guys, go to twitch.tv/slash whatever.
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	Drops a follow, drops a prime sub.
	Oh, it's been, it's guys, it's been one minute since we got our last prime.
	I'm pretty sure it's bugged.
	If you guys could like maybe do a little quick test it out or something, you know?
	And drops a follow in the prime sub if you have one.
	Appreciate it, guys.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	Thank you, RC.
	Appreciate it.
	Wait, so, okay.
	Do you guys think that it's good for men?
	Do you want a guy to be vulnerable?
	I hate that word.
	Vulnerable.
	I don't know.
	I think there's a difference between emotional stability and emotional maturity.
	Right?
	So you want someone to be emotionally stable because that means that they're able to handle their emotions in certain situations.
	But emotional maturity is understanding what situation you can be and should be emotional in.
	So there's a difference between the two.
	So it's, I would want someone who's emotionally mature because they know when and how to express it if needed.
	But I also think it's important for someone to be emotionally stable because then they know how to control their emotions.
	Okay, so you were maybe touching on this with the you want a guy to be vulnerable or um I mean, yeah, I don't want him to be like every day crying, having a mental breakdown, but yes, be vulnerable.
	Yeah, I agree with that.
	See, I don't think like this whole idea of men should be open with their emotions or whatever, men should be vulnerable.
	I actually think it's you say that, but it's not true.
	You lose attraction to a guy if he's vulnerable.
	I just think we mean it in different ways.
	It's only gotten bad because men, like we say that it's okay to be vulnerable, but then they just don't know how to control their emotions.
	That's exactly what they're saying.
	Well, it's not even that.
	You just don't want, you're not attracted to weak men.
	Why are you attracted to men?
	It depends how you handle your emotions.
	Those are the call you weak.
	Let's kind of test this.
	I think we can maybe test this and see if this is true or not.
	So you said, I'm sorry, the guy with the red hair.
	I'm terrible with names.
	I didn't catch yours.
	What did you say your name was?
	Sammy.
	Okay, Tammy.
	Sammy.
	Sammy, sorry.
	So when you say emotional maturity, when it's okay, when it's not okay for men to express emotion, what situations do you think men should express emotions in?
	I would say if it's a conversation between a couple talking about relationship boundaries or feelings within the relationship, yeah, that is, you know, I would want you to express your emotions about how you feel about me or if there's a concern or something like that.
	But if you're just going to cry because something went wrong that's out of your control, out of my control, then.
	So it sounds like you still want a stoic frame.
	Oh, and that's what I'm saying.
	Yeah, I want you to tell me that you're not going to be afraid.
	I want you to be masculine.
	But I don't want you to actually express the emotion behind how you feel.
	No, that's not what I'm saying in front of people.
	Really?
	So you would prefer if your man came over to you and said, listen, what you just did made me really angry versus going over to you and going, I am so fucking pissed.
	Who would you prefer?
	Absolutely.
	I wonder if your mother and father would have been together if your fathers were as feminized as they are trying to make them today.
	If you know how your parents met, can you share that story, please?
	So it's actually really funny that the person says that because my family dynamic was very different.
	Hold on, hold on, hold on.
	We're in the middle of a conversation, killer of cereal.
	I'll ask it later if you really want to know how to do it.
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	I thought about crying once, then I rubbed some dirt on it, realized I was not a pootsy, and drove the foo con.
	If your man cries, make sure to share your codex with him.
	So, okay, look, when it comes to this whole idea of the idea.
	Yeah, so back to the expression of the emotion.
	Which way would you prefer that he expressed that?
	I would rather him come up to me and be like, hey, what you did just made me angry.
	That's not really expressing the emotion.
	That's suppressing the emotion.
	Do you see the difference?
	Hang on, hang on.
	That is a suppression of the emotion, not an expression of it.
	If he expressed it, then he would be actually angry and show you how angry he was.
	That would be an expression.
	What you're actually talking about is a stoic expression of emotion.
	What you're talking about is emotional stability.
	If someone has to lash out because they're angry, that's because they don't have control of their emotions.
	But if they're mature, they have the ability to talk about it.
	So their expression of their emotion to you has to be done without the emotion.
	That's what I'm saying.
	But you're agreeing with me, but trying to debate with me.
	No, no, no, you're wrong.
	You're just flat out wrong.
	When you say emotional maturity, what you're actually doing is agreeing with me.
	When I say a stoic frame, you actually don't want men to express their emotions.
	But you're also excited.
	You want them to express that they have them, but not actually express them.
	But you're also only talking about the emotion of anger.
	Right.
	I think you're not talking about anything that's the same thing.
	Your example was anger.
	If your man comes to you and says, listen, honey, right, what you did, you embarrassed me in front of some guy, right?
	That really hurt my feelings, right?
	And I would prefer if you didn't do that in the future because that's what it did, right?
	As opposed to when you hurt his feelings, he started acting like he was, you know, flustered and flabbergasted and he was super upset and this type of thing, stuff that we would normally excuse for women.
	You would not excuse for him.
	You would expect him to express this from a stoic angle, right?
	And just say to you later, look.
	You wouldn't?
	You'd want to explain it to me.
	If he was upset about something, if he was upset about something and he was so upset about it that it made him emotional, then so be it.
	If I have the ability to be emotional and cry about it, do you think I'm lying to you?
	What benefit do I deliver?
	I think that's terrible advice for men.
	Yeah, I think that saying to men that you would prefer that they acted in a way where they started to break down emotionally, right?
	Even especially publicly, or they started to cry or they started to kind of, you know, in some way break that stoic frame, I think that you would not appreciate it any more than you would the anger portion.
	That's your narrative.
	You asked me a question and I gave you my answer, but because my answer didn't fit your narrative, you didn't like it.
	Well, your answer does, well, actually, your answer is inconsistent because in the anger portion, you say, I would prefer when he's angry not to express that, right?
	Why?
	I said that was the difference between emotional maturity and emotional stability.
	Well, why would that not be emotional maturity when it came to sadness as well?
	It could be either way.
	Anger is more than that.
	You asked me which one I preferred.
	Obviously, I don't want someone to scream at me.
	Yeah, my point is.
	But if he screamed at me, then would I be upset about it?
	We would talk about it.
	The expression from a stoic frame of emotion seems to be your preference.
	He can be stoic if he wants to be.
	You asked me if I preferred to be yelled at or if I preferred to be confronted.
	Obviously, I'm going to prefer to not be yelled at.
	Anybody would prefer that.
	But in terms of emotion and sadness, let me finish what I'm saying.
	In the term of sadness, if he wants to cry about it, he can cry about it and we can talk about it.
	If he wants to be stoic, again, that's the person, right?
	However, they want to express their emotional maturity and emotional stability, that's fine.
	You asked me if I preferred to be yelled at or if I preferred to be confused.
	Well, he's not yelling at you.
	He's just yelling.
	You're still yelling.
	Or maybe he's just, maybe he's just not even yelling, but he's just really angry when he says a thing.
	He just says, listen, this really pissed me off.
	It made me mad.
	That's not him yelling.
	He's just expressing this emotion.
	But it's not a comfortable emotion to express, right?
	Your comparison was, that made me fucking angry.
	Or that made me angry.
	Obviously, I'm going to prefer not to say that.
	Even then, let's go back to, we'll just dial it back, right?
	We'll dial the yelling back.
	He's not yelling, but he's just, he has an anger in his voice when he's talking to you because you made him angry.
	Wouldn't you prefer that that was gone as well?
	No.
	And that he just stoically delivered to you that you made him angry and not to be aware of.
	Now you're switching it up.
	That's your preference.
	You're switching it up.
	Your initial comparison.
	I'm trying to follow your line of logic.
	That's right.
	Right, because it doesn't fit your narrative.
	That's what he asked.
	What does that mean?
	Fit my narrative.
	Do you know what logic is?
	Yeah.
	Okay, if you know what logic is, then tell me the three laws of it.
	The original thing that Brian asked me to do is stop, stop.
	If you know what logic is, then tell me what the three rules of logic are.
	I know the general definition of logic.
	I'm sorry, I don't know the...
	Yeah, you don't...
	So here's the thing, right?
	Back off on the narrative building.
	What I'm trying to do is try, I'm trying to walk through whether or not you actually would prefer a stoic frame on a man, ultimately, if we follow your worldview through.
	You're switching after I already answered your question, you're switching up your question.
	Yeah, that's how I continue to test the logic.
	That's right.
	Okay, and I said that I had already answered based on my understanding of your question.
	Do I want to be yelling?
	I'm a new one so I can continue to test the logic.
	Okay.
	So you already got my answer though, but why are we still talking about the same exact thing?
	This is the one thing I think.
	I do think you're a great speaker, but this is one thing that I don't appreciate about you.
	You dig at the same thing to get a different answer so that it fits.
	To test the logic, yeah.
	So what are the three?
	Do you really realize that when you're testing somebody's logical consistency, it may require multiple questions, right?
	Yeah, but when it doesn't follow suit with what you believe in, you know.
	Yeah, then so think of it like a tree.
	That's a logical tree.
	That's what it's called.
	So you go down branch one and you go, oh, okay, now we understand where that position leads.
	We go down branch two, now we know where that position leads.
	Branch three, now we know where that position leads.
	But we're all moving the logic towards whatever the conclusion of the position is.
	It's not narrative building.
	It's just me trying to actually figure out your positions.
	It's not even being mean.
	I'm just literally trying to figure out your positions.
	Right.
	And I said that I would just prefer someone be emotionally stable and emotionally mature and be able to talk about what they're feeling.
	If they want to cry about it, that's great.
	If they want to stabilize it, that's what we're testing by going down these different.
	Yeah, that's what we're testing by going down these different branches and questions.
	Right.
	You see what I'm saying?
	Yes.
	Yeah, so there's a difference between you expressing that is what you want, but then based on answers to questions, it may not actually be.
	That's why that's occurring.
	So, I mean, I'm fine moving on, but I'm just letting you know.
	So, I wanted to have a bit of back and forth on this, going back, I guess, to the vulnerability thing.
	I think from a dating lens, from a dating frame.
	So, this idea that you guys are cool or okay with men who might be vulnerable or show their emotions or even, well, I don't know if weak is the right word here, but I want to ask you all a question: Would you prefer a guy to approach you in a confident manner or for a guy to approach you super nervous, a little shaky, eye contacts all over the place, tremble in his voice, lip quivering?
	Which would you prefer?
	God, both.
	Yeah, okay, both.
	Okay.
	Both, because I'd be like, oh, wow, like he's, I'm making him anxious.
	I'm making him nervous.
	And that's like, you're showing that.
	So to me, I can see your effort.
	So that is attractive.
	But I do enjoy confidence.
	What about you?
	Yeah, I would agree.
	Nervousness wouldn't deflect me, but I would prefer confidence.
	Okay.
	I'm just going to go ahead and go with confidence because I'm also confident.
	And I wouldn't like to come off to you as a lip-quivering bitch.
	Confidence.
	I would say confident too.
	Confident.
	Confident, but something about a man being like his knees shaking in front of him just makes you feel like, yeah, I'm that bitch.
	Well, that's an okay, hold on.
	Just to be clear, there's a difference between an ego boost and you feeling like you're the shit because this guy's a little pussy in front of you and he's like simping over you versus this guy's really fucking attractive.
	Okay.
	Overconfident is like stressful.
	I'm not saying overconfident, but is it?
	I mean, am I wrong to state that women are attracted to confident men?
	No.
	No, I think it's a good idea.
	Like most women say they like confident guys.
	Yeah, I don't want to go out with somebody that's going to stand on the corner like everybody thinks I'm ugly.
	Most men would probably, most men, giving their own experience, would say, when it comes to their success with women, do they success they have a higher success rate when they're confident or do they have a higher success rate when they're fucking quivering and nervous and shaky, their eye contacts all fucked up, bottom lips all shaking, stumbling over their words, stuttering, etc.
	I would suspect most men anecdotally would say, I have more success with women when I step confidently.
	I'm steadfast.
	I'm certain in myself.
	But also, doesn't that just come with like a first experience?
	Like, because if I've known you for a long time and you've always been this sort of confident person, and then one day you come to me and you're a little bit nervous about this situation, I'm not going to fucking push you to the side because this one time that you were nervous.
	So I feel like that has more to do with like what's going on right now.
	Like if I just met you and you say, oh, I want to be with you, like you're going to be with me, I'm the hottest out.
	Okay, well, maybe.
	I will.
	But a couple months down the line, if you're like, no, I know what I need to do and you need to be on the same page as me, I'm not as attracted to you as the same way I was when I first met you and you were just confident in yourself.
	Because sometimes confidence can also be confused.
	Okay.
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	Andrew, I think you missed Tom Red Hair's worldview.
	Wouldn't a better question been how much emotion is allowed?
	It sounds like she wants an emotional man, but prefers little emotional.
	It's hard to say.
	She shut the inquiry down.
	So I was happy to continue with the inquiry, but if you shut the inquiry down, I don't know where to go with that.
	If you're just like, well, I already answered one of the questions, so therefore I'm done with the inquiry.
	I don't know where to go with that.
	He definitely has the right.
	So when I think of a relationship dynamic, I am the submissive and he is the dominant, right?
	So he is the protector.
	He is my security.
	He's my safety blanket.
	Things like that.
	I am the nurture.
	I am the homemaker.
	So if he, majority of the time, has to be this dominant alpha role, right?
	I'm okay with certain situations, him being emotionally available and vulnerable.
	I'm not going to think less of him as a person or less of him in this dominance role because he shows emotional availability at times, right?
	Obviously, if someone's breaking into our house, that's where his dominance needs to step in and the security needs to be, you know, presented.
	But then if there's a situation after the fact where he's like, hey, you know, I was nervous and I was scared for, you know, I was scared.
	Yeah, okay, talk to me about it.
	But in that moment, you stepped up and you played your role.
	So there's a time and a place.
	Yeah, I mean, that makes sense to me, but wouldn't you agree that the more often that a man kind of steps out of that role to be emotionally vulnerable, the less likely he will be over time if those other situations do arise to keep the stoic frame to protect you, to do those things.
	Right.
	And that's why I'm saying it's very situational.
	Like for again, I said I'm the submissive one, you're the dominant one.
	So you should be dominant majority of the time, and I am going to be the submissive one majority of the time.
	So I don't want you walking around crying all the time because that's just not the type of person I'm attracted to.
	Yeah, you would prefer that stoic frame.
	Exactly.
	Yeah.
	Sammy, it sounded like you were saying that you want a man who can express his emotions, but that knows when and how much to express those.
	Like, so someone said, if he's expressing love, would you want him to like hug you and make eye contact and show with his body language that he loves you?
	Or would you prefer that he's just like super stoic, no facial expression, robotic the physical contact.
	Okay, cool.
	So that's what you were saying.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Emotional maturity.
	Exactly.
	Okay.
	Maddie, can you read this one?
	Ladies-wise, feminism called feminism when feminists want equality when it comes to masculinity.
	Shouldn't feminism be called female masculinism?
	I honestly don't know because I'm not a feminist.
	Why not?
	Well, I just feel like there's such like, I feel like if you call yourself a feminist, the feminists really like dig at you and be like, the feminists that I've known are like really complete man-haters and like kill them all and all this stuff.
	And personally, I'm not that type of person who would be like, oh, I'm against all men, you know.
	And I feel like there's just so much, so many meanings behind feminists.
	Even a feminist can't even define what a feminist is.
	So I personally, if I don't know the knowledge behind it, I'm not going to call myself a feminist.
	All right, but okay, so if you're saying that a feminist is only hating all men, wouldn't that just make them a lesbian?
	No.
	No, no.
	I'm really confused because why is it fuck all men?
	I'm really confused from how that's what feminists, feminists.
	That's from coming from my personal experience where the feminists that I've met who said, hey, I'm a feminist.
	When they talk about men, they are like complete like man-haters.
	And I'm not a man-hater.
	So I've never met a feminist who can really define the meaning behind what a feminist is.
	They always talk about equality, but then they talk shit about men, so it's like, okay, work is not double-blind.
	We can go around the table and see who here considers themselves a feminist.
	No, no.
	Can you give me the definition of a feminist?
	And then I'll answer my question.
	There's so many different definitions.
	You can give me one.
	Well, do you want my charitable definition or do you want what I actually think feminism is?
	You're the first one.
	Okay, my charitable definition of what feminism is.
	Well, okay, there's what feminism purports to be.
	There's my charitable definition, and then there's also what I think it actually is.
	You can tell me both.
	So, what feminists think, why?
	Okay, what feminists think they are is an equality movement.
	That's not what they actually are.
	The most charitable definition I give it is a woman's advocacy movement, which is not the same as equality.
	The actual definition that I give it is it's actually a sort of well, it is woman's advocacy, but it's also bundled up with a bunch of conspiracy theory and like pseudo-science, bullshit, soft science, social science nonsense, as well as a good dose of man-hating.
	So, that's my sense of what feminism is.
	Okay.
	But if you want to use the charitable one, it's woman's advocacy.
	I think there's nothing wrong with supporting a woman and saying that she could do whatever she wants because in reality, they could do yes, they can.
	I mean, you can go buy a dick from the store and fuck another girl with it.
	So, you can't say that a woman can do whatever she wants.
	You can literally go to a science lab and create a baby with two women.
	That's where we are today.
	So, should people know?
	I've watched it.
	So, should people need the genetic material from the man?
	So, should people do whatever they want?
	Like, ought to?
	Also, wait, really quick, you mentioned something about the draft earlier.
	What was that comment?
	I don't remember.
	So, I think they said something about what was it?
	I don't remember.
	I don't remember.
	Okay.
	I wish I could.
	No, I support it all.
	Okay.
	No.
	Simple answer.
	No.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Yeah, no.
	Okay.
	So that was for who was that?
	Who sent that in?
	It was Gracie or is Giarger.
	Oh, we had Kill of Cereal.
	We need to get to.
	He was curious.
	Sorry that we had to pause it their kill of cereal there for a little bit.
	I just wanted for us to be able to get through what we were talking about.
	He wanted to know how your parents met.
	If you can give us 10-second answers, go ahead.
	They both worked in the mall at the same retail store.
	And yeah.
	My mom's older sister and my dad's older brother were dating, so that's how they met.
	Hmm.
	I don't know.
	I'm pretty sure they just lived on the same street or something like that.
	They met through my dad's sister.
	They both worked together.
	My mom was working at a mall, and my dad is working security at the same mall.
	Nice.
	Family, friends, birthday party.
	High school sweethearts.
	Yeah.
	All right, cool, cool.
	We have a couple super chats we need to get.
	We have, can you read these, Maddie?
	Older men will take care of immature women.
	Young women kept being ran through by younger boys.
	Okay, thank you, Omni Design.
	We also have this one.
	Older women still have a chance to get a high-value man.
	They only need to master their feminine energy.
	These young girls today have lost that.
	Hey, Omni Design.
	Appreciate your super chats, man.
	Thank you so much.
	Really appreciate it.
	Thank you, thank you.
	And if you want, feel free to get a couple in.
	So before I get into some of my pre-show notes from everybody, I want to ask: does anybody have any disagreements?
	Maybe you've seen clips or you've seen clips of me, clips of Andrew.
	Any disagreements?
	Maybe some of you have been on the show before.
	Previous disagreements you want to rekindle?
	No, I know.
	Anything?
	Anything?
	Show of hands, anybody?
	Always good, huh?
	She's giving that look.
	It's always good to get into disagreements.
	Anybody?
	Going once, going twice.
	I would have had my phone to read them.
	Well, you had notes on this.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Just closed my notes accidentally.
	One sec while I get that pulled back up.
	So let's see.
	Where do we start?
	Kiki, she was a no-show.
	Actually, we had like three or four no-shows today.
	Last minute flakes.
	But Sammy, you said the expectation women nowadays have for men, they were extremely unrealistic.
	Do you want to expand on that?
	Yeah, I just feel like, and this gets talked about a lot, but like the expectation of that women have of men, I feel like, is just way higher than they're not willing to give back what they're expecting, essentially, is what I hear a lot when I listen to.
	Like, I will say that I've been very blessed with my panels the last few times I've been on here.
	I've had great panels and like great ladies, and you ladies are great too.
	But I feel like it's a lot of the feminists that come on and they're like man-haters, basically.
	And they're like, men should do all of this, but then it's like, what are you willing to give to them in return?
	So that's kind of just the outlook on that.
	I'd agree.
	Like, they expect for their dates to be paid for and they expect all of these things to be given, but then have no true substance to give back.
	I have a question.
	Like, okay, so I'm probably going to get hated on if she sees this.
	But I have a family member who was dating a man for like five years, and then shit hit the fan and she became this like feminist lesbian man-hater.
	Like, what do you guys think on that sort of situation?
	Was she?
	She was dating him, and then what?
	And she became a lesbian?
	Well, she says that she was always a lesbian until she finally realized after she was out of this five-year relationship with this man.
	But when she talked about it, she was talking about like marrying this man and then like him not exceeding the expectation that she wanted.
	So then she had this epiphany of being like, oh, I'm actually a lesbian.
	And then starting like man-hating on all men.
	Something about that.
	That just to me is like, I'm so curious to think what you guys think.
	Something about that.
	She was dating a bitch.
	Lulu Lulu up in this literal.
	That makes sense.
	What did you say?
	It sounded like she was just a really disgruntled person.
	And oftentimes, people like that just look to blame their hates like the bells on others.
	And so she probably wasn't feeling fulfilled herself.
	So she chose to put that blame on him.
	And some people just feel the need to victimize themselves and find a scapegoat.
	And I believe that might be what happened.
	And you sit there.
	And if you sit in those emotions, that anger will continue to build up and that resentment.
	So she probably sat there in anger for so long.
	And staying with him only like essentially magnified that and her hate for men because she just sat there in distaste.
	I feel like also just because she broke up with her, because she was the one that initiated the breakup.
	And then three months after I was broken up with, who, and I felt like we kind of like, well, I didn't, but she did like want to like bond over that breakup.
	And I just felt like it was something that I personally wanted to go through.
	But I felt like she was dumping that onto my situation because I also like took time to look back at the relationship that I had and realize certain things that I did wrong and wanted to correct that in my next relationship.
	But I just was so like confused and was curious as to how someone can switch that motive and being like, oh no, I'm actually a full-on lesbian and I in fact hate all men.
	And like, wait, she verbatim?
	Yeah, she says she's a full-on lesbian.
	The worst gender reveal is finding out that your man's a bitch.
	What?
	Wait, wait, wait, wait.
	Did she claim she was lesbian all along?
	Yeah.
	Or did you know that she was lesbian?
	No, she was ill.
	She says that she always felt that she only had crushes on men because everyone else had a crush on that man.
	But I feel like I can debate on that.
	I'm like, girl, the man that you were dating on or crushing on were not it.
	Like, I swear to God, there was no one crushing on them except you, girl.
	What were her specific grievances with the guy she was dating?
	Um, mostly just like how he stopped what Morgan was saying.
	Like, he wasn't like saying, hey, like, let's go out initiating dates and just like stop trying and like emotionally unavailable.
	Just like same thing, how every other girl says, like, oh, like, we stopped because he wasn't emotionally available.
	He wasn't trying anymore.
	He just gave up, let himself go.
	But I'm like, is that enough to really fool?
	What I don't understand about this whole the guy stops trying thing or whatever is, are you guys trying like?
	Are you y'all the ones who are like putting in the effort to set up the dates?
	That's what you're saying.
	Did they stop trying?
	Because you stopped trying?
	Yeah, so now they're.
	It's like these girls who say, he never texted me, did you text him?
	Did you send a message?
	Okay, for my girls will even say a guy will double text you and then he'll stop texting you.
	And then she'll be like, why did you stop texting him?
	Because you shot down my um, what?
	Because you shot down my like the guy, as a guy like you made me feel like I wasn't.
	That i'm saying the girl will be like, oh he, the.
	The complaint here would be, let's say uh, in that the girl and the guy hook up and then he doesn't text her again Again.
	But did you like, and but she never texted him either.
	Well, it's like you're both kind of not doing anything.
	Isn't that more or less on the spectrum of the equality conversation?
	What do you mean?
	Like, because I hear what you're saying and I agree.
	Like, I, she, if she stops putting an effort, why should he continue to put in effort?
	And also, men can't read our minds.
	So if you're not, like, very specifically saying, I would like you to text me every morning and tell me that I'm beautiful and I would like you to plan dates once a week, then he's not, I mean, men are very like direct.
	So they need that rather than just, I want more romance.
	But would it be considered like, is that the equality conference?
	Because wouldn't someone earlier was talking about masculinity in the comment section?
	And so I'm curious, like, wouldn't some men perceive that as masculine if she then starts to reciprocate in that way?
	It's not masculine to initiate.
	To produce a conversation.
	I think girls just don't text because they don't want to seem like they're desperate.
	Remember, the guy could just say the same exact thing.
	Yeah, but that's expected from a guy.
	It's different.
	But let's say you're-it's always the man is supposed to start it.
	Like, right?
	That's what they say.
	They're like, oh, well, like, okay, so I think when it comes to like this whole thing where men will put in effort in the beginning and then just stop, well, until they met you, maybe they had to put in that initial effort with like 10, 20, 30, 40 different girls.
	So they're already burned out.
	And then, okay, they finally, you know, got you, whatever, cool.
	And then they just start coasting.
	And it's like, well, they already put in all the effort.
	Y'all never put in any effort.
	Yeah, I think it's fair.
	You're saying that you want your effort to be matched.
	What if they did start off strong and then they slowly start like losing that momentum?
	And you, as a woman, even despite being like, oh, I don't want to be desperate, but I know what I want and what are my needs.
	And I'm going to show that and tell you clearly, this is what I expect from you.
	And if they choose not to meet those expectations, then that's when I feel like the fall through of like, okay, they're not trying, so I'm not going to try.
	What's your version of a woman coasting?
	The oh, the biggest ever.
	What's the version of a woman coasting?
	You just mean the default for women?
	No, I'm curious.
	You mean just the status quo of how women move?
	Well, the equivalent of like her saying that he stopped.
	That's what women do is coast.
	What do you mean?
	I feel like you just show up.
	I feel like for a woman, it's at the beginning.
	At the beginning, a man does more to get the woman's attention.
	And then as the woman is more attracted to this person, she does more.
	So she's expecting more from a man because it's growing for her.
	She's doing more for this person because she genuinely feels something.
	But it's like the opposite for a man.
	They're going to do all they can at the beginning and then slowly they're going to just stop.
	How is that balanced?
	Where's these flies coming from?
	Our effort is front-loaded.
	We do all the work in the beginning.
	And then the girl has to do the rest of the work for the rest of the younger.
	I feel like you didn't do enough then.
	I think what you're saying is if she like she just shows up, I would, but if I were a man, I'd find that very unattractive.
	But all she does is just show up if that's her only job to be there.
	I mean, that's how it is.
	That's how it is.
	Not in all relationships.
	That's how it is.
	That's why I said what I said, because so think of it as a job interview, right?
	When you go to a job interview as the person who's applying for the job, you're selling yourself to the company.
	But a lot of people don't realize the company's also selling themselves to you.
	So a job interview is, you know, mutual, right?
	Do you want to work for this company and does this company want you to work for them?
	And I feel like that's how, obviously, maybe not as formal as that, but in a relationship, when you're first starting the relationship, it's like, I want to date you, and I'm going to show you that I want to date you, and you should reciprocate the same way.
	We should both show each other that we're interested and keep that interest.
	And then now, as we become a couple and more exclusive, and now we're physically dating, that try should continue from both sides.
	But that's where society's, I just think, fucked up right now because women just think that men are supposed to sell themselves to them.
	And they're just supposed to, the men are supposed to do everything.
	They're supposed to try.
	They're supposed to put in all the effort.
	And the woman just expects to sit there and just be pampered.
	And be hot.
	Yeah.
	Like, that's the contribution.
	With nothing to give.
	And I think that's what the problem is.
	I'm agreeing with you.
	You look confused.
	No, I.
	Yeah.
	Cool.
	Thank you.
	It's a fair point.
	You guys, look, I mean, do you get, like, what do y'all really do to at the start, at the start of a relationship, what do you really do to actually make it happen?
	Well, I don't, I think a high.
	Oh.
	Can you read it?
	Women say they want a simp emotional man until that man gets his ass kicked in front of them or unable to protect or stand up for them, then the emotional attraction and respect is gone.
	Hey, Adeline.
	Hey.
	Yo, thank you, Pagan.
	Appreciate it.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	That's one of my peeps.
	Yeah, it's just not clear to me that when it comes to like matching effort, that at least in terms of contributing to the start of a relationship, that women are putting in that effort at the beginning.
	It's very, so like you guys might complain, well, down the road in the relationship, it feels unequal, but it feels unequal to us.
	Like for almost every single girl that we encounter.
	And it obviously not every, you know, you approach a girl, maybe you go on the first date, that's the end of it.
	We pretty much put in every single effort that can be taken to actually make that happen.
	But when do you find matches?
	Wait, what do you have?
	Go ahead.
	What would you expect them to be doing?
	Texting you?
	Asking you to go out on a date?
	Or?
	Well, I mean, so in terms of expectation, my expectations tend to be typically pretty low.
	Although I've certainly had the experience, I've had the experience of women who initiate with me and actually prefer that because I prefer dating women with high levels of interest over like shooting my shot with like 10, 20, 30 different women.
	And then it's kind of like a lot of these chicks are fence sitters and they've got their eye on three different dudes.
	So I actually prefer when I think it's a much better dynamic, which is the dynamic that women typically have a monopoly on and tend to enjoy.
	The dynamic of you getting to choose, guys coming to you.
	You have much more leverage when it's that kind of dynamic.
	The leverage tends to equalize the longer, you know, once you've been dating for three months, it's kind of equalizes a little bit.
	Although it is, so in terms of early on, most guys can't get that though.
	Most guys never get approached, never get a hit on, never get a DM, never get a DM from a chick, match with a chick on a dating app.
	They're going to have to send the first message, set up the date, plan the date, move things forward physically, et cetera, et cetera.
	But so I don't think when it comes to expectation, that there's like, I never have the expectation.
	It's nice if it does occur if the girl does actually make some effort and takes initiative.
	And I do think it's a better dynamic, but I don't know where I'm going with this.
	What was the question?
	Is there what you expect in the beginning?
	What do I expect?
	Oh, what do I expect?
	I mean, I expect to pretty much.
	Do you guys, any of you play video games?
	Yes.
	Yeah, so there's this video game term called carrying.
	This is when somebody who's superior at a video game takes somebody who has no like little or no experience in the video game and takes them to the W, takes them to the win.
	You carry them like on your back.
	Somebody, you know, it's like you're playing some shooter game or whatever.
	They suck at the video game.
	You fucking rock, or at least you know what you're doing, and you can bring them to the W. In this case, that would be the relationship.
	And so typically, it seems to me, at least early on, you're carrying the chick to the relationship.
	Maybe vice versa.
	Y'all can disagree.
	Y'all can disagree, but I mean, look, I'm sure there's some guys that you might be, you've chased.
	You've maybe had this experience.
	But typically, what I have found is pretty much at like all these different points, the guy's going to be the one who's going to have to put in the effort and also face the rejection.
	So this is how it would work.
	So let's say it's a guy who's approaching you.
	If we remove online dating from this, like he's just maybe goes to your college, whatever, if you went to college and he's, you're in his class.
	He approaches you after class.
	He's got to do the approach.
	That's terrifying for most people, both men and women.
	Women overwhelmingly never do that, but he's going to approach you.
	Then there's a potential for rejection.
	But assuming it's not a rejection, then he's going to have to carry the conversation because typically the burden of conversation is going to be on the person who approaches.
	It'd be weird for you to just approach someone, say hi, and say nothing thereafter.
	Like that would be like, hey.
	I mean, it's kind of a, if you can pull it off, I guess, but it is kind of this, like, it's almost like if somebody contacts you, it's like, what do you want?
	You know?
	So the burden of conversation is going to be on them.
	Then they're going to have to, you know, be smooth, whatever, be charming.
	They're going to have to ask you out.
	They're going to have to, you know, do that in a smooth way.
	They're going to have to solicit the phone number, the contact information, if it's Instagram, phone number, whatever.
	Then they're going to have to follow up, send that text.
	Then they're going to have to plan the date.
	When you invariably cancel 30 minutes before that first date because your goldfish needs to be fed or whatever, he's going to have to take that gracefully, even though it's extremely rude to cancel 30 minutes before the date.
	So he's going to have to maneuver that maneuver with that.
	And then he's going to have to set up the follow-up date.
	And then he's going to have to, you know, okay, here's where.
	I'm going to take you here.
	Here's the time.
	Handle the logistics of that.
	Then he's going to have to pay for the date, carry the conversation probably on the date.
	And then he's going to have to move things forward from there.
	Is he going to try to go for the kiss?
	Is he going to try for more?
	If that's a no, but she's still interested.
	Okay.
	Second date, third date, fourth date, wash, rinse, repeat.
	He's got to, you know, face multiple points of potential rejection all throughout this entire process.
	Let's see what else.
	Yeah, he's got to go for the first kiss.
	He's got to move things forward sexually.
	I don't, it's extremely rare for women to go for the first kiss or be like the initiator sexually also.
	So there's just a whole bunch of points of potential rejection.
	And then just also, yeah.
	But when women do it, sorry, I didn't mean to cut you.
	But when women do it, they're deemed aggressive.
	They're deemed too dominant, too masculine.
	Or if they double text you, they're needy or they're, you know, whatever it is that they want to be easy.
	And or if they're accessible, then they become, again, easy.
	So I feel like there are plenty of women out there.
	And I encourage women to double text, say what you want, go and get it.
	And if a man can't handle that, fuck them.
	Well, I actually think men love, from my research, men love when women approach.
	They find it extremely attractive because it shows confidence.
	But I think the nuance that you're giving is like if she were to also make a move on him sexually, that could be seen as like too easy or too accessible.
	But I think there's nuance.
	I think what he's saying is the man has to go through all these different touch points that are all essentially him going out on a limb and there's nothing really in him.
	There's no ROI for him, really.
	And I, yeah, I just, just, I think the nuance is missing because I think men do want to see more initiative as well from women just because it's terrifying for a man to walk up to an attractive woman.
	Like it public shame, the risk of that is so high.
	Whereas if an attractive woman walks up to a man, that likelihood that she's going to get rejected is so low.
	Yeah.
	Even if she's an average looking woman.
	I agree.
	Like I think that it sucks that you have to do so much effort, but when women do exemplify those traits, they are labeled that way.
	So if men didn't shoot those kinds of women down and kind of like essentially push back on that kind of behavior, maybe more women would be included in the middle of the moment.
	Well, that's not, hold on.
	That's not, that's not actually true because, I mean, it's one thing if a girl walks up to a guy and is just super aggro and is like, here's some, there's a way you can approach, like even step to a guy, walk up to a guy, and it not come across as aggressive or like masculine or whatever.
	You can do so in a feminine way.
	You know, it's just don't be a slag about it, but what's up?
	Do you think like looks have something to do with that?
	Because let's say, what if like you are mid, you know, and you have all those traits that they are looking for, but they, because maybe you don't like meet their expectations visually, that they will like maybe consider falling into the settling, being like, oh, she has everything, but I just don't like see her attractive.
	Do you think looks matter when it comes to those traits that do you guys know what I mean?
	Is there a man?
	Like for a man?
	Dude.
	Like for a man, for a woman came up to you and said, oh, hey, I like your beard and I want to take you on a date.
	Yeah.
	And she was a mid.
	Would you like the same thing?
	Double standard.
	This is a very easy question to answer.
	If the man does not find you physically attractive, the same thing with a woman.
	But men have to risk the same thing.
	What if she doesn't find me physically attractive?
	It is what it is, you know?
	So, yeah.
	But I do think most attractive men would still be nicer to an average-looking woman than an attractive woman would be to an average-looking young man.
	Yeah, well, and so going back to your point, kind of related to her thing, so women overwhelmingly will not make the first move, won't approach, won't slide into a DM, won't send the first message, won't, you know, whatever.
	But in comparison to men, in the event that they do, they're actually much more likely to succeed.
	Like a dude could send thousands of DMs and never get a response, but if you're a girl and you send like DMs out, there's a you're much higher chance to get a response.
	Also, you can slide into dudes who have like big major status, and you're much more likely to get a like an average girl.
	When I say how about a normal girl, slides into a famous guy's DMs, it's not a guarantee she gets a response.
	But like, it's a possibility.
	Drake's fucking with normal chicks.
	I don't know if Drake is like the guy anymore.
	I don't know.
	But like if a normal, like a fucking 20-year-old dude slides into like, I don't know, if he's a Dua Lipa's DMs, you think she's like, oh, yeah, okay.
	Yeah, well, I'll meet up with you, normal guy.
	Like, no, it's not happening.
	I think, I think for me, it's more so the men's behavior of pulling out their phone and be like, man, this girl's been blowing me up since our first date.
	If you stop doing that, women would be more inclined to actually initiate more things.
	But we know that men sit there and they talk like that about women.
	What?
	That's not true at all.
	If he's not attracted to her, but I think if he's attracted to her, he'd be pumped.
	But they're still banging her.
	So that's the one.
	My question for you is: at what point for you would her initiating the dates, her texting you multiple times, when would that become too much for you that you are now off-put by it and unattracted, even if you're physically attracted to her.
	But now, so think of the term like stage five clinger, right?
	You're physically attracted to her, but she's too available for you.
	At what point does that become unattracted?
	I mean, there's no, I don't think, at least for in my book, like if she's psycho, that's one thing.
	But if she's just super simpy, like really into me, I like that.
	Like, I don't really like to play games.
	I like you, you like me.
	Because it's actually pretty rare for men to get like that level of attention, you know?
	So, like, unless they're hot.
	Okay.
	But I would argue like average chicks get like dudes fucking falling over themselves for like an average chick, whereas like average dudes ain't ever getting a DM, ain't ever being asked out, like, ever, ever.
	So I'm trying to think what I wanted to bring it back to.
	But so I would say, though, that you'll have totally just as a woman, your success rate for like sliding into a DM or approaching a guy is much higher.
	And then even if the guy, most guys are going to be much more, like, they'll still take it as a compliment.
	Like, most guys are not going to be like, oh, bitch, get away.
	Like, they're not going to do that.
	Like, most guys are at least going to be graceful in the rejection.
	Whereas like, I think women tend to be fairly graceful, but like they'll also, like, you'll have an experience as a guy.
	Like, girls can be fucking brutal sometimes when it comes to rejection.
	Not all, but not all women, not all the time.
	But like, you're, even though I guess it's, it can still be scary for you.
	Like, as a woman, if you approach a guy, your success rate's going to be fucking insane.
	And then the guy's going to be pretty nice, I think, even in rejection.
	So, yeah.
	I just think men should encourage more of the women to go out there.
	And when they do do it, like, don't react that way.
	And I think that women react in a like, oh, this is too much, or call them clingy, because most women, they don't do that because they are in fear of seeming clingy or needy or being too much.
	Bro, most men, but like, can we just say the same thing about men?
	Except it's even worse for men.
	Yeah.
	It's even worse for men.
	We don't want to be seen like, like, we don't want to be seen like we're creepy.
	Okay, so let's just educate the public.
	Say what you want.
	Go after and get it.
	Send that double text.
	And then if they don't respond after three texts, just stop, okay?
	Because you want to hear something crazy on the whole creepy thing.
	You can take a guy, exact same behavior, exact, like verbatim, say the exact same thing, say it the same way.
	The only differential is one guy you're attracted to and the other you're not.
	Like, that's it.
	It could be the same exact treatment, or he said the same thing, acted the same way.
	And the only difference is one guy's physically attractive, the other's not.
	And I think the biggest thing is stop after three texts.
	Don't have for any men or women, stop having conversations with yourselves in people's DMs or text messages.
	Oh, well, I think that's the biggest thing.
	These guys who send like 10 messages never get a response out.
	Yeah, so just don't do that.
	Yeah, but like it's okay.
	Let's just set the record straight.
	It's okay to double text, okay?
	But what he was saying is just like matching effort, which is so like people generally want people that match their effort.
	They don't want people who go way above and beyond because then it starts to make you question that person's status.
	Like why are you, why do you have me so high on a pedestal?
	But they also don't want the opposite.
	They don't want to feel like there's lack of effort when you're still putting forward initiative.
	So I think what he's saying, like a good balance would be, okay, you took a girl out for two dates.
	Now it's the third date.
	Is she going to propose something?
	Is she going to propose to hang out?
	Is she going to maybe text you after the date instead of waiting for you to text her and like thank you for the experience?
	Like that's like just matching the effort.
	That way he doesn't feel like he's just constantly putting himself out there and she's just cruising.
	And what I'm saying is don't be afraid to be that person.
	And I think so many people are scared to be that person.
	That's all.
	Maddie, can you read this?
	Notice how none of their answers for their parents were online.
	We need to get back to traditional values, my friends.
	Get out there and meet someone face to face, not FaceTime statistics equals it lasts.
	Yo, kill of cereal, thank you, man.
	Appreciate it.
	He's a brave and a decent man.
	He's a pioneer.
	I agree, but also, I don't think the internet really existed like that.
	So that wasn't an option, you know?
	I mean, I wholeheartedly agree.
	Get out of the internet and go face to face.
	You learn more about the person.
	There's more value in it.
	But also, with the times, the internet just didn't exist.
	It wasn't an option for them.
	True, true.
	Hold on, guys, getting into some of my other notes here.
	Oh, we had to do the bow thing.
	Somebody asked about, will anybody here do a proper bow?
	All right.
	So, this is something that we talked about: what do men expect?
	This is something that I expect from a girl.
	Go ahead, play the clip.
	Boom.
	Huge bow.
	I need once I get home.
	I need a bow.
	Look at this.
	Get home.
	Laundry.
	She's getting my laundry all going.
	Look at this.
	Dinner is ready.
	Attentive.
	Speedwalking.
	Scampering.
	What do you call that?
	Skimp?
	Scampering?
	I don't know.
	Beer.
	I don't know.
	You know, stirring my noodles.
	Stirring my noodles.
	Hands in one more time.
	Shows the bow.
	Boom.
	Deep bow.
	That's what it's what it takes.
	Ladies, I think women should.
	That's what I want from a girl is about.
	Malo.
	Yeah, sure.
	My liege lord.
	Go ahead.
	Do you guys?
	What do you think?
	Do you think I mean, I think it's in, it should not be like forced.
	It should not be forced.
	It should be.
	But I'm saying, like, it should be she wants to and like she likes to.
	So, I mean, like, I play with my man, and I'm like, okay, sir, overlord, superior, master.
	And that's what I say to him.
	And he likes it.
	And he's like, say it one more time.
	And that's what I say.
	And so, like, that's, I'm, I'm okay with that.
	And that's, I volunteer that because I know that it's exciting for him.
	And that's not like a lot of women won't be able to put their own pride or ego aside to please their man.
	I'm for that.
	Am I going to bow?
	I don't.
	Yeah, I mean, it's submit.
	Like I already said, submissive dominant role.
	What do you think about that?
	Sounds fun.
	Are we role-playing?
	She's like, sure, I'm good with it.
	If I'm a bitch, then how are you okay?
	Okay.
	My lord.
	If we can watch Bridgerton together, yeah, I'll bow for you.
	Okay.
	Thoughts?
	Thoughts on the bow thing?
	Not the bow, but everything else.
	Not down with the bow?
	Not down with the bowel.
	Unless it makes sense for culture.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Morgan.
	Yeah, I don't know.
	I think at some point it gets too much.
	Too much?
	It seems like you're just a child.
	Like, why am I doing everything for you?
	You can't pick up your own clothes?
	I don't know.
	Well, you see in that video clip, anyways, this is a high-powered person with a dating podcast.
	He goes home to his penthouse apartment.
	He goes home to his penthouse apartment and his girlfriend has taken, you know, she just kicks it at the penthouse while he's out working.
	He's taking care of all the bills.
	I would love to kick it.
	Yeah, I agree if he's paying for all the bills, but what if it's like it could be the other way too?
	I could do something like that.
	Like, I would be fine with being like making the money for the household and him being at the house.
	Right.
	Okay.
	I don't know.
	Yeah.
	Sure.
	Well, let me ask.
	Okay, so outside of this context, though, the actual physical act of the bow, what are your thoughts there?
	No.
	Not cool?
	I don't know.
	Do you think, like, what, do you appreciate if a guy opens the car door for you?
	Yeah.
	On a date?
	Yeah.
	Does that kind of stuff?
	Okay.
	Do you want to get married one day?
	Yeah.
	Oh, sorry.
	Do you want the guy to propose to you?
	Yeah.
	Do you want him to get down on one knee?
	Yeah.
	Like a little bitch.
	But I mean, it's like, you want, it's crazy.
	Y'all want a guy to like kneel.
	Kneel before you.
	You're standing there.
	He gets down.
	He's looking up at you with little puppy dog eyes.
	Oh, sweetheart.
	I love you so much.
	Hold on, let me get the flutter.
	You know how many times you get on your knees for him after that?
	So let it go.
	Are you talking about beef?
	Blowjays?
	You're talking about blowjays.
	Blowjays.
	All the blowjays.
	What about a woman proposing to you?
	Huh?
	Well, I don't want to get married.
	Unless she's rich.
	That's why you have this problem.
	I can get married.
	I will only marry a woman if she makes more money than me.
	She has to be like a billionaire or some shit.
	I'll accept millionaire.
	Like a couple zeros.
	And she still has to propose to you.
	She's a millionaire, billionaire.
	Yeah.
	You're only marrying if she proposes you.
	In the case scenario, I would get married.
	But okay, so this is what you want, Morgan.
	You want a guy, Mary Gertrude Spurlock.
	That's not your actual last name.
	My dear, will you marry me?
	Oh my God.
	Yeah.
	Oh, wow.
	Okay.
	All right.
	All right.
	Okay, I guess we're married now, but we're engaged.
	Congratulations.
	It's like, it's crazy.
	Okay, what about you?
	The bow?
	You down for the bow or no?
	No, he'll get a kiss.
	He'll get a hug, but I'm not bowing.
	I don't know.
	I assume kind of cultural as well.
	Am I culturally appropriating right now?
	No, that's not what I meant.
	But no, he'll get a kiss.
	He'll get a hug.
	Right, but I'm okay.
	Let's just assume I'm culturally appropriating and I'm just.
	But how would you be culturally appropriating?
	I don't even understand that.
	Do you think that bows were not done in the West?
	Well, I mean, I think she's trying to say it's kind of more common in Asian cultures.
	It's pretty rare for like in Western Western countries.
	And the reason they bow is because when you hug someone, you can stab them in the back, but when you bow, you can't.
	Like, it's that's where it originated from.
	But that's how it started.
	That's how it started.
	It's just be carrying katanas and shit.
	You know, I'm worried.
	Wait, so you wouldn't know, 100% no, wouldn't maybe like in a playful manner.
	Okay.
	Sure, fine, playful.
	Yeah.
	But every time you then, that's not playful anymore.
	That's well, I guess, yeah, I guess it could be.
	That's crazy.
	I know it's, I know it's uncommon.
	Would you bow for the right man?
	Yeah.
	If the right man, he was like, he was Mr. Wright.
	Yeah.
	Would you bow for him?
	Yes, in a playful manner, yes.
	Not in a disrespectful cultural sign of respect.
	He just thought it was very respectful if you bowed to him.
	Oh.
	Being submissive, you know.
	No.
	Huh?
	No, I shouldn't.
	She should bow first.
	No, no, no.
	I don't bow.
	I don't bow.
	She bows.
	A bow.
	I can't stop.
	What about you?
	What do you think?
	Would you do the bow?
	Yeah, I would.
	For the right man.
	But you wouldn't.
	For the right man, right?
	Yeah.
	For the right man, yeah.
	Maddie, have you tested out of the bow yet?
	Yeah.
	Did it work?
	Yeah.
	Well, he watches the show.
	Yeah.
	I guess.
	I don't know.
	But it's just like crazy to me because I feel like it's such a small ask.
	Like, you don't got to spend any money.
	It's like not physically laborious.
	You just boom.
	Dink.
	Dink.
	You know.
	What does it do for you?
	It's like a submissiveness test.
	Superiority.
	No, it's not about superiority.
	What if she curtsied?
	That's like the Western equivalent.
	I feel like a curtsy is just not cringe.
	She's weird as skirts.
	She's more formal, not submissive.
	That's not what I want.
	But I don't know.
	It's crazy because we'll ask, in addition to the bow, it's just like, you know, you were talking earlier, like, that guy asked you to do his laundry, right?
	On the first date, and you're like, that's weird, right?
	Right?
	That happened, right?
	And still did it.
	But you were upset.
	You were upset about the laundry.
	Like, you wouldn't.
	Because that doesn't seem like a very first date thing.
	But check this out, right?
	Check this out, right?
	So here's what's crazy to me.
	When it comes to the bow or like cooking a man a meal or doing his laundry, you guys will object to that, but you'll fuck a guy the first night.
	Interesting.
	Like you will let a guy.
	I could get, I mean, you know, I could get into detail.
	You know what I mean?
	Like a girl could let a guy bust a nut on her face.
	That's why I'm just saying.
	It's like, let's get it.
	That could happen.
	It could happen on a first date, you know.
	A girl requested that once from me.
	It could happen on the first date.
	A first date, yes.
	She go freak.
	Don't yuck someone's yum.
	Yeah, that's it.
	I did it.
	I didn't know that she's a baby.
	But it's like, hold on.
	You'll let a guy, like, you'll let a guy hit.
	You'll let a guy hit.
	But like, literally doing like you'll be.
	I mean, it's like a vulgar, but you'll like literally choke on his pee-pee on his pee-pee.
	But you won't bow for him.
	First date, but you won't bow.
	You won't, you won't.
	What about you?
	You have to.
	No, I've never heard you say that.
	I just choke on the pee-pee?
	Yeah.
	Anyways, laundry, just doing folding his laundry, you know, not very difficult, you know, cooking a meal, whatever.
	Doing a simple bow.
	Like, no, I won't do that.
	I didn't say that.
	But you can be inside of me, son?
	That's crazy, bro.
	Because laughs.
	You can penetrate me with your penis.
	But, but I won't do a little.
	Watch this.
	Boom, that's it.
	You won't do that?
	I didn't say no.
	I said no.
	You know what I mean?
	You know what I mean?
	But also.
	But can we agree it depends on women too?
	Like, some women don't.
	Like, there is, believe it or not, there's women who don't fuck or kiss on the first or second or third or even fifth date.
	There's still some old school tradition values in some women.
	Well, why won't those women bow then?
	Well, that's what I'm saying.
	Those women probably did bow.
	I guess the point is.
	If they were asked to.
	I guess the point I'm trying to make is the same woman that says, again, yes, there are women who won't fuck on the first date.
	They'll fuck on the second.
	But anyways.
	But anyways, so they'll be fine with having a man inside of them.
	But they draw the line at a bow?
	I don't get it.
	Right, Morgan?
	It could be that there's mutual beneficial and pleasure in penetration, but she might not find benefit in a bow or pleasure in a bow.
	If she's not a submissive person, she doesn't want to bow for you.
	But if you labor, if you penetrate her, there's benefit and pleasure there.
	Maybe I'm just playing devil's adventure.
	What if there's a condom?
	Honestly, if there's a condom involved, I'm doing her a favor.
	Why do you nut first?
	I mean, with the sex.
	Like, it's just like, I'd rather just.
	I know this is going to sound crazy.
	I've already mentioned this previous shows.
	I'd rather just not even have sex.
	Have you ever seen the meme of like, it's like Kermit the Frog and he's like by the window and out the window's like wetting and it's like raining.
	That's why they call it window pain.
	Can we find that man?
	Maybe you take one into what you can't feel it because you have a cocktail.
	What the fuck?
	Maybe you're that kind of woman where like she won't want to bow down, but she'll let you like nut inside her or whatever.
	Yeah, that's true.
	Because maybe she's like maybe really into that masculine side of her and maybe she has like this wall built up that she doesn't feel comfortable or willing to go into that feminine side of like submissive side.
	It sounds like she's taking the nut instead of receiving.
	Exactly.
	She's a nut taker.
	That's a good way.
	That's a good way to look at it.
	That's a good way.
	You got it?
	Is it the Kermit?
	It's facts.
	Damn.
	Hold on.
	Wait, keep it up for a sec.
	Keep it up.
	It's so funny.
	It's all you want to excuse.
	Anyways, where were we?
	Let's get to, we got Elsa here.
	Elsa, you said that you're, you had, you did have a disagreement, Elsa.
	You said you're not a huge fan of oversimplification and inflammatory language.
	Is this directed at me or Andrew or both?
	Honestly, neither.
	I've only seen very short clips of the show.
	Okay, so this is.
	But in general, not a fan of oversimplification.
	Well, was there like a specific clip or something you saw?
	Was it something Maddie said?
	Maddie's got some hot takes.
	She's been canceled multiple times.
	Yeah, I actually.
	Just kidding.
	She's, I got haters.
	Actually, I was told that you were, Adrienne was like, my friend Adrienne, who was on the show, she was like, Maddie's super cool.
	Look for Maddie.
	So I learned about you.
	You can scoot your mic that way to the left.
	Yes.
	Tilt it to the left.
	And then like push it.
	Over here.
	Okay.
	There you go.
	And then tilt it down a little bit, but go ahead.
	Shooting the bathroom.
	No, not directed at Maddie.
	Is this better?
	On the oversimplification front, earlier when we were talking in generalities, isn't that oversimplification?
	Definitely.
	Yeah, we both got into that.
	Yeah.
	We both got into generalizing.
	What's wrong with an oversimplification?
	Like, here's an oversimplification.
	Men generally prefer to date men who are, or women prefer generally to date men who are taller than them.
	That's an oversimplification, right?
	That's true.
	My challenge with oversimplification is it makes for great clickbait, but when you actually work with real people, it doesn't, those aren't usually the situations that occur.
	Like, of course, in general, most women would prefer to date someone who makes more money than them.
	In general, most men prefer to date someone who's younger because she's probably more attractive.
	But those oversimplifications don't hold true when you actually apply theory to practice.
	So I've actually, like, because I've worked with so many men over the years, those aren't the situations that I see.
	Normally, people date more or less people who are in their vicinity, who are usually a similar age range, similar socioeconomic status.
	So that's my problem with it.
	But I do think that it makes more for a more spicy and interesting conversation.
	Really?
	So even on the micro, the men that you're working with, you don't tell them that women prefer taller men?
	Well, not if they're not.
	No, women do prefer that, but a taller man is relative.
	An average woman is 5'2.
	So a taller man for an average woman.
	It would be anything taller than 5'2, right?
	Anything taller than her wouldn't be relative.
	So she wasn't a little bit of a terrible person.
	What I mean is that what I mean is that I'm 5'7, and for me, a taller man is technically a man who's 6 feet.
	Although historically, I've dated.
	A taller man would be somebody who's 5'5.
	5'8 or 5'8, whatever.
	Most of the guys I've dated are my height.
	But where was I going with this?
	But you would bring it up.
	Well, yeah, who is taller, right?
	Honestly, before I moved to the States, I did not even know this was a thing because I didn't grow up here.
	So in Lebanon, where I'm from, men are not tall.
	The average man is a little bit shorter than I am.
	So that wasn't really an option.
	so I didn't really see it as a preference.
	The average Lebanese woman is much smaller than the average Lebanese man.
	True.
	So, but when I moved here and I realized that that was like a collective preference, that's when I started to notice that people even really cared about that.
	I think from my work, what I've seen is that women want a man they can feel safe with, but he doesn't have to be bigger than her in height.
	He can be bigger than her horizontally in stature.
	That's yeah, I know.
	But I get it that on the micro, you can do all sorts of self-improvement as a man who is shorter.
	You can get buffer and what they call looks maxing, all that.
	But that doesn't change the fact that most women are still going to prefer if he's taller than her.
	If they had the option, definitely, yes.
	If all things optimized, that's just also true.
	Well, the rest of that sentence was oversimplification and inflammatory language.
	So an oversimplification in and of itself might not be a problem, but when it's married to inflammatory language, it can be.
	But at the same time, when I first started my TikTok, I believe the reason why I went viral so often is because I was extremely inflammatory.
	Like I was just extremely condescending and I had a lot of hot takes on a lot of hot topics.
	And it was fun because I was relevant.
	Now that I'm a little more nuanced, my engagement has definitely gone down because nuance is boring for a lot of people.
	It's not as good.
	Why can't you be inflammatory with nuance?
	I mean, how?
	How would you do that?
	Give me an example.
	Of a nuanced take, which is also something which is inflammatory?
	Like what?
	What's the nuanced?
	What's the situational whether age gaps are appropriate or not, but you think that they're perfectly acceptable, right?
	So that's a nuanced take, but at the same time, it's inflammatory.
	That doesn't sound inflammatory to me, unless I miss something.
	How is it not?
	It's one of the things most argued about that I've seen in these dating spaces, whether or not age gaps are appropriate or not appropriate.
	You can have the nuanced take of, yeah, I think situationally they can be, but generally I'm against them, and here's why you can definitely be inflammatory with a nuanced take.
	Well, we might just have a different definition because I actually think that's a nuanced, I think that's a nuanced take.
	Yeah, it's nuanced, but also inflammatory.
	You're still saying the same thing, right?
	You're still saying, no, I think age gaps are fine.
	But the way you're saying it...
	You're just getting kind of a nuanced reasoning for that, right?
	But...
	But the way you're saying it is nuanced.
	so it's kind of like when you said earlier you said it's still inflammatory right earlier you said like older men would prefer a younger woman because she's attractive And that to me is not an example of inflammatory language because I actually agree.
	What would be inflammatory then?
	How would you...
	How would you make that inflammatory?
	That's a good question.
	Probably by saying something like, women over 35 are completely doomed.
	So they should probably just go give up.
	Like, that to me would be inflammatory.
	Because it lacks nuance.
	The nuanced statement.
	That's just kind of lying, though, right?
	But those are the kind of clips that get a lot of traction.
	It's like the 35-year-old woman is screwed.
	She's got no chance.
	I think the nuanced take is the younger woman probably has a lot more options of men for sure.
	But the non-nuance is just like, let's just write off every woman over 30.
	Well, I mean, why not?
	I mean, you're just talking about clickbait, though, really.
	Yeah, that's exactly what I'm talking about.
	Oh, okay.
	Well, I mean, you can still have the clickbait and then still give it the nuanced take, can't you?
	Isn't that what almost everybody does?
	They have the clickbaity title thumbnail and then they give the nuanced take after you click on it.
	The clickbaity hook, yes.
	Yeah.
	It seems like you could do that.
	Can you, so, I mean, just going back to your thing here, you said not a huge fan of oversimplification and inflammatory language.
	Was there an example that you wanted to talk on or that you saw?
	There probably was, but I don't.
	It might not even been from you guys.
	It might have been from like one of the women on the show.
	I honestly can't remember because this was probably like, this was a while back.
	Okay.
	No, can't remember.
	But it's not necessarily like you as the host.
	The dynamic of the conversation.
	That's probably something I was referring to.
	Okay.
	Let's see.
	Going over then to is it Andrea or Andrea?
	It's Andrea.
	Andrea.
	Okay.
	You said that, so you are currently single, if I recall, okay.
	You said you're waiting until, or you, you either are or you wanted to talk about waiting until marriage, is that correct?
	Oh, yeah.
	I am definitely waiting.
	I'm pro waiting until marriage.
	pro so are you that and that's what you're doing Yes.
	Are you religious?
	I am.
	Christian?
	Christian.
	What denomination?
	Oh, I wouldn't be too specific on that.
	I'm just Christian.
	Let's just leave it at that.
	Okay.
	Do you go to church?
	Do.
	What is the denomination of the church you go to?
	I'm actually not sure.
	Is it non-denominational?
	I'm not Baptist by chance.
	Sorry.
	Is it St. Baptist?
	St. Baptist?
	No.
	Okay.
	Just check in.
	No.
	Okay, so you said you experienced a lot of jealousy and possessiveness from men.
	Is that related to the waiting until marriage thing, or is that a different topic?
	No, I would say I've just been on a lot of dates, and it's very, men are very possessive, jealous, and it could be, I don't know.
	But that is why I'm waiting until marriage, because.
	Because they're possessive and jealous?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, I wouldn't, you know, I would tell men, like, oh, I want this for my future, and sometimes they don't agree, but they're still very like clingy and possessive.
	And so let's bring it back to the whole waiting until marriage thing.
	So are you a virgin?
	Um, okay Uh But so how recently did you, I guess, change up to wanting to wait till marriage?
	Well, I did have this long-term relationship where, yes, we did have, I wasn't.
	Carnal knowledge.
	What?
	Carnal knowledge.
	You had sex.
	Yeah, I guess.
	Yeah, I don't know how to phrase that, but so that did.
	And that was, you know, not the best experience for me.
	So that's why I was like, okay, well, my next relationship, I definitely want to keep it.
	Well, it was the one-year relationship.
	You said your longest relationship, if my notes, unless I fucked my notes up here, your 20, or no, three years?
	Three years, about three years.
	Oh, sorry, I got my.
	Okay, three years.
	I'm just curious, very quickly, if I can interject.
	I just had one quick question.
	Brian, can you by chance pull up Ephesians 522?
	Nick, can you pull up Ephesians 5?
	522.
	Well, the reason is, is I didn't realize that you were a Christian earlier in the panel, but I can just read it to you.
	It says, wives submit to your husband as to the Lord.
	Do you bow to the Lord?
	Do I bow to the Lord?
	Yeah?
	Of course.
	Is it a sign of submission to bow to the Lord?
	Yes.
	You know, are you supposed to submit to your husband as you do unto the Lord?
	Yes, I guess.
	So then, hang on.
	So then we have established that you should do what with your husband?
	I should bow.
	Oh, we should bow.
	Okay, so you're going to be burning.
	So the bow is happening, right?
	We are going to do the bow.
	If it's in a godly marriage, then of course that's very important.
	Okay, then we're going to bow.
	All right.
	All right.
	Oh, you have to be married before you give the bow.
	Yes.
	Is that fair, Andrew?
	Marriage has to come before the bow?
	Yeah, I mean, it depends, right?
	I would say, yeah, probably.
	I would still wait for the mirror.
	But I don't see anything wrong with showing respect.
	I'm not bowing to a boyfriend.
	I'm not bowing.
	But earlier when I'd asked you, I said, would you ever do it?
	You said no.
	But it seems like now we have kind of a change in the position here.
	Well, no, you're correct.
	We do bow to the Lord.
	And if it's a godly marriage, then, of course, that's very different.
	You said not bound to the boyfriend.
	I'm not bound to a boyfriend, but if we are...
	Should a man provide before you're married?
	So like first dates, you're down to split the first date?
	No.
	The man should pay on the first date?
	Yes.
	But you're not married.
	I understand, but he is still trying to prove that he can provide in order to be married.
	You're not willing to be submissive to him until you're married.
	In the bow, yes.
	Well, I'm assuming there's other ways too.
	But you're expecting him to provide prior to marriage, but he doesn't get any benefits.
	He does get the benefit.
	He gets the benefit of my time, of this.
	You get the exact same thing from him, though.
	Yeah.
	Right.
	You get his time, he gets your time.
	Yes, but I still don't think a bow is like, oh my gosh, she bowed.
	I have to marry her.
	I don't think that's the whole like, I don't know.
	I don't know.
	But you said you're not willing to be submissive until you're married.
	No, Because if we are dating, we are dating to marry.
	So that already, there's already submission within that, but I don't think the bow is a message.
	What would be the submission within that?
	Whereas in we are already together, building a foundation.
	What does that have to do with being submissive?
	Just by virtue of you dating each other doesn't mean you're submissive.
	Yes, it does.
	What?
	I mean, in this culture, because there is women who have a roster who will be dating multiple men.
	So like going back to those old traditions and being like, okay, we decide to be exclusive.
	Well, a woman could be monogamous.
	I'm just a little bit submissive.
	A woman could be monogamous and still not be submissive.
	Although I suppose if it's her will and desire to be dating multiple men, but she then would be a terrible dynamic, though, if a man had to get submission from his woman to be monogamous, that would be a terrible dynamic.
	But you wouldn't be submissive.
	Well, what do you mean by being submissive?
	Just the bow specifically?
	I mean, deferring to his leadership.
	I don't want you to go to nightclubs.
	I don't want you to go to the bars.
	I don't want you to drink.
	Of course.
	I don't want you to party.
	Of course.
	I don't want you to post promiscuous photos on Instagram.
	Of course.
	okay so you're saying that it's just interesting you Okay, well, you're kind of relating it all back to the bow, but I'm still a little.
	You're so stuck on the bow.
	That's why I keep bringing it up, right?
	Well, I mean, like, you kind of, don't you want to be submissive in all matters and in all ways?
	Yes, if we're dating to marry, yes.
	Okay.
	So I bringing it back, I guess, to the waiting until marriage thing, you said, I was confused because you said, like, your justification for the change up there was you had a bad relationship in said bad relationship.
	You had premarital sex.
	Right.
	Ergo, are you saying that because you had premarital sex, that's the reason for the bad relationship?
	I'm not sure if that's the connection that makes sense.
	No, it wasn't a bad relationship.
	We had great times, but I do think.
	Didn't you?
	Well, what I meant that you said it was like I got the understanding or impression that it was negative in some way.
	No, well, I mean, to me, it was negative because we did do it the ungodly way.
	We did have premarital sex, but he's not a bad guy or a bad person, or we didn't have bad times.
	But my next relationship, I would want it to be godly.
	I would want to wait till marriage for you religious.
	Is you being religious a new thing?
	Or were you also Christian prior?
	No, I mean, I was like baptized as a kid and everything, but I wasn't like going to church every weekend, or I wasn't just, I wasn't so in my faith as I am now.
	Okay, so you've become more religious.
	Okay.
	And so just to be clear, you are the next person you're going to date, you are going to wait until marriage to have sex.
	Yes.
	Just because some girls will say, Well, I want to meet the guy that I want to marry, but we can have sex before marriage, but it has to be the guy that I'm pretty sure we're gonna marry.
	I'm gonna marry.
	No, I'm waiting until marriage.
	Okay, and you're gonna be steadfast in that?
	Well, what do you mean?
	Like, you're holding, you're holding to that for sure?
	No, definitely, definitely, but um, mistakes happen, no, no, mistakes do not happen.
	Well, can I ask you a question?
	So, uh, you broke up with the three-year relationship a year ago, you said um, no, no, um, I broke up you said you were in a three-year relationship and you've been single for one year, yeah.
	So, I've had okay, that was a different relationship, that was a different, yeah, okay.
	So, wait, that was a different relationship, yes.
	So, I had a three-year relationship that was like throughout high school, throughout college, and then we broke up, and then I had another relationship, and that's the one that ended a year ago.
	A year ago, okay.
	Did you have premarital sex with that guy?
	I did.
	Okay, so how long have you been celibate?
	Um, I would say about a couple months.
	What was the nature of the relationship with the guy you were with a couple months ago?
	Uh, we were we were dating, and um, but it wasn't exclusive, or no, it didn't get to that point.
	You were dating for a couple months, you said?
	Yes, how did you guys meet?
	How did we?
	I met him, where did I meet him?
	I met him at a concert.
	Not a dating app?
	No, I don't do dating apps.
	Okay, and so, hold on, hold on.
	And so, how soon after you had met him did you guys hook up?
	Um, I would say it was maybe three months after we met.
	But you said you only dated him for a couple months, yeah.
	Well, it was long distance, it was that one was confusing.
	So, you were you had you guys been like friends or acquaintances?
	Yeah, yeah, we definitely started off as friends.
	Well, hold on, you said you met him at a concert.
	I did.
	So, you weren't friends when you met at the concert?
	No, I met him there, and then we became friends.
	We exchanged information, and so he approached you, or how did you guys?
	Yeah, I guess so.
	And he said, Hi, I'd like to be friends with you?
	No, well, it was more it wasn't clear to you that he had a romantic or sexual interest?
	No, no, we just started off as friends.
	You think that was his intention to be friends with you?
	I got, yeah, I thought so.
	Okay, so at what point did he make his romantic interests known?
	Um, I guess a while after texting, we just um I was like, oh, I like you, and he likes me, and so, um, yeah.
	So, you said you, after three months of knowing him, that's when you hooked up.
	How soon after there being a clear we like each other, how soon after that did you guys hook up?
	Um, like after we told each other we liked each other, uh, well, so we met and then we were texting for about like three months, and then um when you say you were text, okay, so you met at the concert, right, you were texting for three months in that three-year period.
	Did you guys ever hang out in person?
	No, no, okay, so it was long distance.
	You live in LA, he lives where?
	Um, he lives in Arizona, Arizona, okay.
	I'm not watching this right now.
	Okay, so you're texting him.
	You guys are texting back and forth.
	How often are you guys calling, texting?
	It was mainly text.
	Okay.
	You guys determined that you like each other, and then you meet up in person, correct?
	Right.
	Okay.
	How many times did you meet up in person?
	Total?
	We only hooked up once and then after that we just we just kind of remained friends.
	You texted for three months, met in person, hooked up when you met in person and then basically remained friends.
	After that yeah, it just it didn't work out.
	Why uh, why didn't it work out?
	I would say it was long distance and um, it just I felt wrong about it.
	I felt like um like oh, it's not, it's not a godly thing.
	I, we hooked up and it was just not the right thing to do so just accidentally happened.
	Yeah yes, how do you accidentally have sex?
	She acted on temptation.
	Yeah, it was very that.
	Yeah um okay, I was like okay, this is not the that's not the right one.
	Yeah so, and this was a couple months ago.
	How recently was this?
	No, this was about maybe nine months, eight months okay okay um, and hold on, is there any degree of cope here?
	Like, did he, was it like a smash and dash, or was it a mutual?
	Like I'm just trying to understand this a little better.
	No, it was mutual, but but it was you who said you felt uncomfortable with afterwards, I did, I did I very much did he smashed and she dashed?
	No, he didn't, he didn't want to continue seeing you.
	No, we've seen each other recently, but just as friends, and I think we both agree that it wasn't the right thing to do.
	If we very much were just acting on temptation, you didn't get satisfaction.
	No, that's not what I'm saying.
	I'm just saying that it wasn't the right way to go about it and it was.
	Yeah, exactly what she said.
	It was temptation, it was we were drinking and that was it.
	Can I ask a question?
	Go ahead um, from the time, from the three-year relationship to the current situationship friendship, whatever it was when did you decide that like, oh no, I would rather wait till marriage because, I mean, everyone is human, we all make mistakes, we can have.
	Well, my understanding, my understanding here is you had the standard of you wanted to wait until marriage prior to meeting the concert Arizona guy.
	It was, yeah, I definitely.
	Um, I wanted to.
	Well, how did you falter?
	Temptation, everybody has those things, alcohol and temptation.
	Okay, look at it like, let's say she meets a Chris, hold on, let's say she meets a Christian guy at her church and she's like I'm waiting till marriage.
	And then she tells him this story.
	You're gonna be like really, if they're a godly man.
	Then they understand.
	Yeah, you can backtrack and still God is going to be aware.
	What does it mean to like okay, you sit on this podcast and be a born-again virgin?
	And now she made the decision and Chase got pushback.
	But he got pushback, he got absolute hold on.
	I told him I was disappointed in him.
	I literally said that, and he got tons of pushback online for it.
	Trust me.
	But who's to say she's seeking a super Christian man?
	It could just be someone who's that's not.
	It's not even my worldview.
	So for Chase to have slipped up like To have premarital sex, that's not really my objection.
	I suppose the objection here is you're stating X, but you're not actually pointing out a quick distinction here, which is that Chase felt bad.
	And I think that most of these women who are like, oh, well, gee, you know, this happened and now I'm a born again, they don't seem like they feel bad about it.
	They don't seem like they give a shit.
	I mean, she also never said born-again virgin.
	No, definitely, I think that's not going to lie and be like, oh, yeah, I'm Christian, and I'm a very, no, I think that's a very terrible thing to do.
	I'm completely honest about all of that because, and I think, like, how she stated, I think a godly man would understand, and if, and vice versa, if he also had past relations, then I would understand as well because nobody's putting it in the middle of the world.
	Okay, but then what does it actually mean to believe in waiting until marriage if every couple months you have a slip-up?
	What does it mean?
	Well, who's to say I'm going to have another slip-up?
	I think the biggest thing is, like, you know, women want, I don't mean to speak for all, but like, we want relationships to work.
	And it's so many, like, I think it's kind of been ingrained is anytime you involve sex, it complicates it, or it, you know, just it messes things up a little bit.
	And so, us as women, we're always told to preserve ourselves.
	We're always told to wait.
	We're this and that.
	So, we're like, okay, if we want a relationship to work, we need to preserve ourselves and make sure that we like whoever it is that we're dating for who they are and not involve the sex until after everything, after that, then everything matches up.
	Well, that was true.
	Because once I got picked up and I was like, just so you know, I'm not going to fuck.
	And he said, all right, well, you can go home then.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, that was awesome.
	Hold on.
	I mean, that's terrible.
	Excuse me.
	Right.
	Could you close the door?
	But her as a religion, like bringing a religion, like, okay, if she makes a mistake, do you want her to walk around town with the girl with the bell calling, shame, shame, for making this laugh?
	Nobody's asking for the scarlet letter, but it has become pretty apparent to me that often what happens is women will seek Christianity and the idea of being reborn into Christianity in order to mask their promiscuous past rather than as a form of repenting from it.
	And this is why I think there's a delineation point and why this is being brought up by Brian.
	And it's a very good point.
	Many times women will use that as a mask and say, now I'm above criticism for my overly promiscuous past.
	That's what I think they're moving towards that for rather than, okay, I'm in a state of deep repentance because I actually feel miserable about the things that I've done.
	By the way, Andrew, I sent you a text message.
	I guess it's just, okay, this whole like waiting till marriage, Christian waiting till marriage, but has mistakes and slip-ups.
	Having sex is a conscious choice.
	So it's like a vegan who eats meat once a week.
	Are you still a vegan?
	No, no.
	You know what I mean?
	I don't know.
	Look, I don't know.
	I'm not against premarital sex.
	I guess I'm just confused.
	My bigger thing is like more so from like a secular point of view, these girls who will have had one-night stands or hooked up relatively quickly, say the last three boyfriends they had, they slept with them on the first, second, third date.
	Then they're like, look, you can change up at any time, however you want to move.
	That's your call.
	But I think you're allowed to feel like you're getting a raw deal as a guy if like the girl you hooked up relatively quickly without anything and now you're a week ago and then now you meet me and now you want to make me wait three months.
	That's your call.
	But I'm going to feel raw about it.
	I'm like, hold on.
	This isn't your actual value like this isn't your values.
	It's not your values.
	It's just some like arbitrary thing that you're like playing a game, essentially.
	You're playing a game.
	Like you're trying to leverage sex to get something out of me, whether that's commitment or whatever.
	And so I don't know.
	It feels like a raw deal.
	It's like, how much did your mindset change in seven days that you're now so passionate about this?
	Yeah.
	I mean, some girls, I mean, you'll hear stories of a girl who's currently sleeping with a dude who has a friends with benefits, and then, but she's like dating a guy who she's potentially eyeing as a boyfriend long term and she's making him wait while fucking another dude.
	That's crazy to me.
	I mean, you can do it.
	You can do it.
	It feels like a raw deal.
	It's kind of like, hey, I'm trying to think of a perfect example here.
	It's like you go to a car dealership and you buy a car for $20,000.
	You as a woman, you buy a car for $20,000 and then you find out your girlfriend got the same car, brand new car, for $10,000.
	You're like, that's not, hold on, that's not fair.
	Why'd they get a better deal than me?
	You know?
	Dealership says, I just felt like it.
	No reason.
	You know?
	So, I don't know.
	I think there should be a waiting period between that.
	And so there shouldn't be like, okay, I had sex seven days ago, and now I'm going to wait till marriage, but I'm going to go on a date on Friday.
	You shouldn't do that.
	You should wait.
	There should be a waiting period before you start to date again.
	Would that make you feel better?
	Or would you still be mad if it's been six months to a year?
	I mean, usually that's part of repentance.
	Eula sees the pagan donated $200.
	The girl in the yellow, trust me, this guy, in my opinion, was playing up that he agrees that it shouldn't have happened.
	The intention all along was to smash.
	Eventually, he'll stop being your friend and ghost.
	But I'm just confused.
	Like, so you guys said you liked each other.
	Yeah.
	I feel like we're not.
	I do actually want to dig in a little bit more on this.
	You said you liked each other.
	You guys had sex.
	Why not continue to date?
	Like, just because you had sex doesn't mean you have to no longer.
	That's where I'm confused.
	Yeah, that was the biggest point for me.
	It was long distance.
	But then why'd y'all smash?
	Why does it matter if it's long distance if you guys aren't doing that?
	Because that's a good point.
	Preference.
	I wasn't comfortable with long distance.
	Me either.
	I was just asking.
	Yeah.
	And then again, I saw it through after a while and I was like, wow, that's not what I want for the relationship.
	That's not what I want for my marriage to be.
	And you don't want your marriage to be what?
	I wouldn't want to have premarital.
	Wait, so.
	So we already had, you know, sex before marriage.
	So, and it was mutual.
	I'm not like, but that's just not how I would want my marriage to be.
	So I kind of counted that out.
	What if he asked you to marry him afterwards?
	Like after.
	Like after what happened, if he were like actually I consider it he's a great guy.
	It's just that it was long distance and you know we fell into temptation, but I don't know.
	It just wouldn't that be more motivation to stay together though now that you because you're it seems like you're justifying part of the reason of not wanting to continue seeing him aside from the long distance thing.
	Some of the pretext there is you did have premarital sex.
	So now he's ruled a candidate.
	That's like a negative, a negative mark against him.
	No, it's not negative.
	Not negative in any way.
	Like I see him as a great person and we still get along.
	But it's just the fact that it's premarital that I feel bad about it and that's just not the way I would want my marriage to go.
	But you already.
	Wait.
	But what if he asked you to marry him afterwards?
	Would you be opposed to that since y'all already had been slept together?
	I'm not sure.
	I'd really have to think about it.
	Like say like a guy did come to you and you really thought he was husband material.
	You really wanted to marry him, but you like accidentally had premarital sex with him.
	Like would you just automatically be like, oh, I can't because I don't want to do that.
	But what if you did want to marry him?
	Like would you automatically disqualify him because you had that premarital sex with him?
	Even though it was a mutual agreement.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, I'd still think it's wrong.
	I'd still, yeah.
	I guess it's like, I just like question like how committed to you are this?
	Like would it be better for you to say you're just waiting for the right person or are you actually waiting for marriage?
	No, definitely waiting till marriage because I think the right person will wait for marriage.
	But intercourse is two people.
	So if you're also agreeing to premarital sex, it's because you also said yes.
	So if you meet Joe and you and Joe fall into temptation, even if you fell into it, right?
	You fell into temptation and you fell into each other, right?
	And you had premarital sex.
	Now he's not a candidate for marriage anymore.
	Yeah.
	Even though you also agreed to it and you thought Joe was the one he was going to be your husband.
	You thought he was going to propose in two months.
	And you were like, you know what?
	He's the right one.
	This feels right.
	Let's do it.
	Now that you guys have done it, you were so passionate about marrying him, but because you had premarital sex, now he's off the table and not a candidate for marriage anymore.
	How fair is that to him when it was a mutual decision for you guys to have premarital sex that now he's not a candidate anymore because you two mutually agreed on something?
	No, we definitely, yeah, no, I see that.
	I don't think, I mean, I guess it isn't fair to him, but that's just me and my choice.
	And I just, I wouldn't be okay with that.
	I'd feel like it's not the right thing to do.
	So he bought the ring in March.
	You guys had premarital sex in April.
	Oh, that's different.
	That's.
	But how do you know he bought the ring?
	You've already told, but do you get what I'm saying?
	You don't know when your significant other buys you the ring to get ready to propose to you.
	So he buys you the ring in March.
	You two mutually decide to have premarital sex in April.
	And then at the end of April, you're like, you know what?
	I can't.
	I'm not, I'm not capable of marrying you anymore.
	And he's like, well, I already bought the ring.
	I was going to propose to you next week.
	But now you're like, oh, well, I'm sorry.
	We had, we both decided to have premarital sex and now you're not a candidate.
	Oh, then that's different.
	If he already had the ring and we had that discussion, then that's different.
	What if you didn't know?
	But you didn't know he bought the ring.
	guys that's what we're saying so it's like so he bought the ring We have the premarital, the premarital, marital, sorry, the premarital sex.
	And then I, after, was like, nope, he's not a candidate for me anymore.
	And then after we have the discussion of like, well, I bought the ring, but you've already broken his heart because you told him you don't want to marry him.
	Do you get what I'm saying?
	Like, he's not going to be like, oh, well, I already bought you a ring.
	And now you're like, oh, okay, well, never mind then.
	Let's get married.
	You're like, oh, you bought the ring already.
	That's okay.
	Now, now it's okay that we had premarital sex because now I know you had the intention to marry me.
	Also, quick question.
	You say you want to wait for marriage.
	What makes you be like, oh, let's just have sex with this person, even though I don't want to marry him, but yet you're waiting for marriage?
	Where does that line fall in between?
	We're like, I'll give this guy a pass.
	Like him specifically?
	No, just in general.
	So you're saying like, I gave this guy a pass, but after that, I'm like, okay, now I'm waiting until marriage.
	Yeah.
	She's like, if you already knew you were gonna, sorry, if you already, if you already knew you were gonna wait till marriage, like why even try to pursue him?
	Right.
	Didn't you say that the reason you didn't want to continue seeing him was because of long distance?
	Yes.
	So why did you even bother carrying on this friendship and then allowing it to proceed into a romantic relationship and then allowing sex to occur if you already had the predetermination that long distance is a deal breaker?
	Like not even it wasn't a deal breaker.
	Can I sum something up?
	Yeah.
	So I think that whenever you guys met, there was the interest there.
	You both knew underlyingly that you were interested.
	That's why you continue to talk all those months.
	You finally met up.
	You acted on the temptation.
	You're like, hey, this isn't really in alignment with my beliefs.
	I feel shame surrounding what happened.
	And he's like, oh, yeah, okay, whatever.
	Men don't care like that, that you're religious.
	They don't care.
	And so he essentially, are you associating shame with him?
	And that's why you no longer want to pursue him.
	No, shame is, no.
	Or not necessarily.
	Shame is a strong word, but it's just that you acted and that was not in alignment with your beliefs.
	So you do not want to continue going down that road with him because he also partook in something that was not in alignment with your beliefs.
	Exactly.
	But like, okay, look at that.
	Wait, hold on.
	I didn't even get an answer to my question.
	So my question is, why, knowing, like, the justification you provided for why you didn't actually, after having had sex, you didn't want to pursue it, is because it was long distance.
	You knew prior to this rendezvous that it was long distance.
	He lived in Arizona.
	You live in Los Angeles.
	So one, why did you even pursue it?
	And then two, why did you have sex with him knowing it's long distance?
	If you're, I mean, perhaps it's post hoc justification, but she knew he was in Arizona.
	She admitted that she knew what she was doing.
	Did you?
	Hold on.
	Why don't we let her explain it?
	Go ahead.
	Well, the reason why I kept pursuing it and kept talking to him was because I really liked it.
	He was funny, just great person.
	He's still funny, right?
	Yeah, still a great person.
	Of course.
	Okay.
	So then it's not because he lives in Arizona then.
	That is a factor, I mean...
	But then why...
	Okay, but hold on.
	What changed?
	Because he was always in Arizona.
	Right.
	You guys met up and you had sex.
	What are the variables?
	What are the factors here that led to you now being your friends?
	Then it was elevated to romantic prospect.
	You had sex.
	Now it's back to friends.
	We're not dating.
	We are not dating.
	No, but we are good friends.
	Not like we're best friends and we talk every day, but we still, we can get along and we.
	Hold on, hold on, wait, wait, you're single?
	I am.
	And are you, are you, are you talking to any guys right now?
	I'm a Christian man.
	I come into the picture, I find out you're good friends and talking to a guy who you fucked.
	That's crazy.
	That's another topic, though.
	That's another topic, though.
	You said you talk all the time and you're friends.
	I didn't say we talk all the time.
	Okay, what did you say?
	I said we get along.
	Like, we are, you know, we're human.
	We're still, we're fine.
	We don't have any bad terms or anything, regardless of what happened.
	Okay, so you're not talking to him then.
	It's just amicable.
	Maybe I misunderstood.
	No, like, I know his family, so we.
	How often do you talk to him?
	Last time I talked to him was probably, I would say, a month or two.
	No, like about a month.
	All right.
	I perhaps misunderstood.
	In any case, I'm still confused.
	I haven't really gotten an answer.
	You knew he lived in Arizona.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Why did you pursue him if long distance was an issue?
	Well, it wasn't like a great issue or anything, but go ahead.
	Do you think it was an actual like fall into temptation or a lack of discipline of your decision and faith?
	I would say both.
	Hold on.
	I got a question.
	Hold on.
	Hold on.
	Hold on, Joe.
	I got a question for the ladies.
	If you're, you meet a guy, you've been talking to him for months, you both have told each other you like each other.
	Like, don't, like, y'all know kind of if you're like, I'm ready to fuck this guy, right?
	Well, and if you can't, and if you had alcohol, you know what I mean?
	Yeah, if you had alcohol, that's the main thing.
	Then you're setting yourself up to fall into temptation.
	Blame it on the alcohol.
	I'm not.
	Wait, wait, I'm not.
	I'm not.
	I'm not disagreeing with you.
	I'm not disagreeing with you.
	I actually think that if you're going to say that this is my belief, then you have to set yourself up for success to honor that belief.
	And I'm not saying that to shame you, by the way.
	It's just like if like you're, she's training for a fitness competition, right?
	So she's dedicated.
	She's committed.
	She's setting herself up for success by packing protein snacks, by hydrating, by training.
	So if you are going to have the belief and share that belief of I'm a Christian and I'm waiting until marriage, then you have to set yourself up for success by not drinking with someone that you're attracted to that you don't want to.
	Does that make sense?
	No, it's true.
	But that belief became stronger after him.
	So I didn't express those things with him.
	I wasn't already like, well, I'm Christian, I'm waiting until marriage.
	And I think that's why it was so easily to fall into temptation because I didn't have those strong values as I do.
	Okay, that's where we have to do it.
	So it made it sound like after past long relationships, you made that decision.
	You didn't make that decision until two months ago.
	No, I was definitely after Arizona.
	We're going to call him Arizona.
	There it is.
	That I was like, okay, I definitely need to be stronger in my discipline, my beliefs, because I just don't want to do that anymore.
	Yeah.
	Okay, I'm sorry.
	No, you're fine.
	But we can't be surprised.
	To me, it seems like, yeah, you made a mistake, but it might almost be better to pursue a man to be your husband if you made the mistake with him.
	Like, I don't know if that makes sense.
	You sort of push it away, so now you just added a body and you also don't want to marry this person.
	Yeah.
	I don't know if we're getting the whole story here.
	What's missing?
	Okay, so you guys, you went to Arizona or he came here?
	No, he came to LA.
	He came to LA.
	How long was he in LA for?
	He was only here for a couple of days.
	He was like on some break from school.
	Okay, so you guys hook up?
	Yeah.
	And then do you guys hang out after you hook up?
	Or, okay, and everything's good?
	Or?
	Yeah.
	You only hook up once or a couple times?
	It was only once.
	On Thursday or on the last?
	No, between.
	Only second.
	Very detailed.
	Wait, you only hooked.
	Wait, so you hooked up once or multiple times?
	No, it was only once.
	One time.
	Okay.
	And so how did, I mean, you guys both told each other you liked each other, right?
	Right.
	What did he tell you in terms of what he was looking for?
	He wanted to keep seeing you?
	Well, no, like, we definitely did keep talking, but it was, I think we were both mutually like, oh, it felt kind of uncomfortable.
	I don't know, like.
	Wait, it felt uncomfortable, mutually uncomfortable.
	But didn't you say that you didn't express this whole waiting until marriage thing and that you're a Christian?
	Right.
	Is he a Christian?
	Well, his family is.
	I'm not sure if he is specifically.
	So how, I mean, I assume, like, he, you guys had sex.
	Why would he also be uncomfortable that you guys had sex?
	He was uncomfortable because she was uncomfortable.
	Well, sure, that's fair, but I don't think...
	Because we had a discussion about it, and I told him, like, you know what, I...
	I feel wrong about this.
	I do feel uncomfortable about it.
	And I just, we kind of agreed to stop talking after that.
	And.
	So you stopped talking because you had the sex?
	Yeah.
	Then why did...
	But then after some time, we did talk about it again, and we were on good terms.
	Well, were you ever on bad terms?
	I guess in that period where I told him, like, I don't want to talk anymore, and we stopped talking.
	Was that before he left back to Arizona or after?
	No, that was after.
	Okay.
	So that brings me back.
	Was it in the beginning or was it in the end?
	How was your interaction after you did it while you were still together?
	So the interaction after we had sex?
	Yes.
	Were you still together for like two days in person?
	Yeah, yeah.
	So it was the beginning.
	Okay.
	And then how did you interact?
	You didn't tell him about that then after you guys did it.
	You waited until he got home to tell him that he was uncomfortable.
	How did you guys interact in person?
	Was it something else?
	Was his personality and being together what made you also uncomfortable?
	Like, wow, I shouldn't have done that because this guy doesn't do the same things that I feel for him over the phone as in comparison to in person or like, can we go deeper?
	The epiphany was definitely like after, no, he flew back home and we would still talk.
	But then after like a while, I was like, okay, this, it wasn't the right thing to do.
	It sunk in.
	And I was like, it's not that I regret it.
	He's a great person, right?
	But it just, it wasn't the right thing to do because I truly want to get married and have kids someday.
	And I just don't want, I don't want that.
	You don't remember that.
	So when you woke up that morning, you were like, oh, why did I do that?
	No, it wasn't like I woke up that morning, like the following day.
	It wasn't like, I don't know what they call it.
	Epiphany?
	Post-not time.
	Yeah, yeah, that, that.
	It definitely wasn't that.
	Like, we still got along.
	We still went out the following day.
	And we, yeah, but somewhere along, like, after like a month, I was like, okay, I do have, I do want to get married someday.
	I do want to have kids.
	And I just don't want it to be.
	Yeah, essentially, yeah.
	It's okay.
	You know, we all make mistakes.
	That's why God gave you free will.
	And then sometimes maybe that's a reason why, so you can learn from those mistakes and realize what you do and what you don't want.
	But it seems like what the girls on this side are trying to clarify is was the deal breaker that you guys hooked up?
	Like, was it a deal breaker that he agreed to partake in premarital sex or was it something else?
	I guess there were a lot of deal breakers.
	It was the premarital sex.
	It was long distance is difficult.
	And then also around that time, that was like, yeah, that was like a year ago.
	And I was still, you know, we were both, he's still in school and I'm still, you know, working and stuff.
	It was just it just didn't feel right to me.
	And it sounded like what Brian was asking was you knew all those things beforehand because nothing actually changed about those variables of him being far away or whatever, like whatever the variables are that you just listed.
	So it sounded like what he was asking is if you knew all that going in, why did you still like show up and hang out?
	Well, I just put yourself in the position to have premarital sex.
	Right.
	No, I just, I just really liked the guy.
	And sometimes when you have feelings, it just kind of stirs.
	It just kind of goes about away.
	And again, that was before my situation.
	Right, before you made the decision.
	But it sounds like now you would not follow how you feel because you're determined to follow your beliefs.
	Right.
	And to exercise discipline.
	What?
	What?
	Is Hilda?
	This is a long conversation about the same thing.
	What the fuck?
	Wait, is it Andrew?
	Eating sugar?
	We're not getting anywhere but to the same point over and over.
	I think we all understand.
	Yeah.
	Next.
	Sorry, I agree.
	There's so many questions to ask.
	No more premarital sex.
	She's not getting enough attention.
	It's not about my attention.
	We could talk about it.
	She needs to be able to get away.
	She needs a little pampered.
	I did put that in my bio is that we, a lot of the times, one topic is we just asked her the same question.
	All of us asked the same question.
	Every single one of us asked the same question.
	She's going to have to be around and with the same answer.
	And then we're like, maybe we can simplify it a little bit.
	I don't get it.
	You don't have to get it.
	She's not asking you to not have premarital sex with her.
	She's not asking you to wait until marriage to have sex with her.
	So it doesn't matter whether you get it or not.
	Like all of you are beating my face.
	There's a lot of cope.
	There's a lot of cope going on.
	There's a lot of, I don't believe this going on in my brain right now.
	What parts don't you believe?
	It's just, you just said, I really, really liked the guy.
	And then we fucked.
	And now I don't really, really like him.
	I don't really like him.
	I think he's an amazing maid.
	I think he didn't put it down.
	He's amazing.
	He's an amazing person, but I don't want to date him.
	Just because somebody's amazing.
	I'm going to marry them.
	I think everybody's so amazing.
	I don't want to marry everybody.
	He's so, he's such a great guy.
	He's so amazing.
	But I wouldn't do it again.
	Even though it's against my violence.
	So you're telling me you've never been with somebody.
	You felt like, oh, I really want to be with this person.
	Then you did it.
	And then you didn't want to do it no more.
	Something magically changed.
	No, it just wasn't it.
	Now let's move on.
	Because you're talking about the sex?
	Yes, I'm talking about the sex.
	If you see an itty bitty piggy in the market, give that bitch across her in a car and come with her.
	I'm out of here.
	Are you saying that's what the case is with her?
	I'm not saying that because that's not what she said.
	She didn't say that.
	But in my opinion, what I got from all these questions is that's what my opinion is.
	Is something about that fell off?
	Because if it doesn't feel good, if it doesn't feel good in your soul to have sex with somebody and you want to move on, then something about that is what's wrong because you liked him before and you don't like him after.
	So you're saying for her, it was because the sex was a bit traffic.
	I can't speak for her, but in my experience, if that's how I felt, then that's what it was.
	I don't think it was that.
	I don't think it was.
	So what do you think it was?
	You don't understand what it was, but as a woman, that's what I understood.
	Wait, wait.
	I was under the assumption that you had this strong of faith prior to him.
	Now, to clear it up, you had this strong faith after him.
	Exactly.
	No, but that's what I'm saying.
	But she's saying that's what happened.
	And so we were all under the present.
	So she can have her faith and then she can have fucking her.
	She really didn't want to do it.
	I don't know.
	Is that how you do it, Brian?
	I'm not really focused on God right now.
	No, this is not it.
	Yeah, she's not a bad person.
	Like, she didn't.
	She didn't want to wait till marriage.
	And literally, as he's inside of her, that's what I'm saying.
	She was like, oh, wait, marriage is.
	I'm literally saying that it was after a couple months after the sex, if that's what we're calling it.
	No, no, no, but you stopped dating him immediately.
	No, I didn't.
	She said a month after.
	She said, Yeah, we saw her training.
	He flew in.
	We hung up the first day.
	No, but you said you felt bad about having the sex.
	Like, I didn't say immediately.
	She said not.
	She didn't.
	She literally answered my question when I asked her, was it not?
	You're just not listening.
	You're not pissing me off the next day.
	She said, no, the next day was the only less.
	I thought you had this standard after your first relationship.
	And we were just saying, practice what you preach.
	I have a question.
	I have a question.
	So if he would have stayed there in town after y'all would have done it, would you still have felt shame about it?
	If he was still around you?
	And then she's like, yeah, she's like, that's not great.
	I mean, we're still continuing it.
	What can I do?
	Bro.
	Okay.
	That was a valid question.
	I do actually hear sort of shifting gears a little bit, but it's related to this.
	So you're like, well, oh, what if you're as a guy, you hit and the pussy's not good?
	Is that what you're saying?
	Bro, hold on.
	First off, pussy is like pizza.
	It's hard to mess up pizza, right?
	No, because when you put too much tomato sauce, there's a different pussy.
	I don't know what kind of pussy you had, Desmond.
	What the fuck?
	Look, I'm just saying, most pussy is a good pussy, right?
	It's hard to mess up.
	Huh?
	Nearly all pussy is good pussy.
	I'm just Andrew's face.
	Yeah, earmuffs, Andrew.
	Earmuffs.
	You disagree?
	Yes.
	There's so many pushies that are not.
	I'm bisexual.
	Oh, yeah.
	So, what kind of pussy are you talking about?
	But, like, it's also what's attached to.
	So, it's like the oh, no, yeah, of course.
	You know, like, she could be a dead fish.
	She could be not, you know, like, that's okay for you.
	She could be a screecher.
	Like, she could just like lays there like that and you enjoy it.
	First off, that's so rare.
	That's so rare.
	Wait, wait, wait.
	I think there's a lot of people who are like, oh, I know.
	There's three bisexual women in a row right now.
	We are telling you that.
	No, no, God.
	Do you have a penis?
	Do you have a penis?
	Do you got a penis?
	It's different.
	I mean, I could put one on.
	I'm just saying it's a good one.
	Like, I have one I could just drop on.
	No, but you don't feel it on your fake penis is what he's trying to say.
	Wait, so what's your point?
	That not all.
	That lady is matter.
	Hold on.
	Okay, first off, if you know what you're doing in bed and you know how to lead in the bedroom, you can take a girl who's a virgin and have great sex with her.
	So this idea that...
	Not all pussy.
	Like, come on, bro.
	If you know what you're doing as a guy, most women want the guy to take the lead anyways.
	So if you know what you're doing.
	But that doesn't mean she's always going to be receptive.
	All it takes, okay.
	All it takes for a girl to be good in bed, really, so long as the guy is capable and knows what he's doing and has some degree of experience, is open-mindedness and enthusiasm.
	That's it.
	Of course, if she's like fucking unenthusiastic, that's bad in general.
	Right.
	So it doesn't necessarily have to be about a good pussy.
	Are you talking about the feeling?
	Are you talking about the feeling?
	He's talking about the mushy-gushi.
	There's different levels, right?
	There's different levels.
	So, I mean, I guess there's the, are you talking about the fish?
	That's the dead fish is what she was talking about.
	The actual vibe, the energy.
	No, that's what we weren't talking about.
	Look, there is different, there is different kinds of pussy, too.
	You know what I mean?
	Why are you blushing?
	Chill out.
	It's all flustered.
	Shut up.
	That's what I'm saying.
	Like, it's not all good.
	Like, it's the.
	Don't throw.
	I know you have a thing against big labias.
	No, I'm not sure.
	Don't you dare in my presence.
	Doesn't that mean there's more grippage for you?
	Honestly.
	Yeah.
	So there's nothing wrong with that.
	I've got big labia.
	Okay, so that's not what I'm saying.
	I'm saying that.
	You sound like a big labyrinator, honestly.
	Yeah, stop.
	I literally just said it.
	Stop it.
	I don't mind it.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	I literally said, doesn't it give you more grip?
	That's what I said.
	But what I'm saying is that it's the vibe that the person's giving off to.
	Like if you're there and you're penetrating, right?
	And she's just laying there like this.
	Like a pillow.
	Are you into that?
	How many times?
	How many girls have you been with?
	Like, probably five or six.
	How many have the girls done that ever?
	Like two.
	Really less than horrible.
	Yeah.
	Were they like on the fence bisexual?
	No.
	They're full-blown like lesbians.
	Yeah, oh, they were bisexual.
	Yeah.
	But they were.
	Damn, you must have been fucking up in some way.
	No offense.
	They were just laying there like.
	Well, no, because then I also watched them with a man and they did the same thing.
	So.
	Damn, what kind of girls?
	Were they?
	I don't know.
	Were they had a little screw loose or what?
	You've never slept with someone who wasn't enthusiastic in the bedroom?
	You're that lucky?
	Let me think about this.
	It doesn't have very many a woman who acted like she was doing you a favor.
	Instead of like wanting to be the one.
	I've been with women who have been more enthusiastic than others, but overwhelmingly, I don't think I've had a girl who's just like I can.
	I've never had that shit.
	They never said I came.
	What's your longest?
	You probably never had that.
	No, hold up.
	That's not.
	Hold up.
	Hold up.
	No.
	I've never had that like encounter where you were like, wow, that wasn't like the best sex I've had.
	Like, that was like pretty boring.
	Like, she didn't do any work.
	Like, she didn't.
	I like it.
	Well, hold on.
	Do I like it if they don't do it?
	I don't need a girl to do work.
	So you just want her to lay there?
	No, that's not what I'm saying.
	You're the boring.
	I'm saying, you're the problem.
	I'm not the problem.
	I'm saying, like, if you know how to take the lead in the bedroom, then it's like, for example, even if a girl's on top, I want to do the work.
	See, but there's a difference between you taking the lead.
	There's a difference between you taking the lead and telling her what to do and her being receptive.
	Yeah, I'll boss her around.
	I'll boss her around.
	And she's going to listen to you.
	And then there's a difference between like just being there and she's just like doing it to do it because she's doing it.
	Who are you fucking?
	What the fuck?
	Yeah, because it's like, well, why are you having sex then?
	You don't know that until you're in the situation, though.
	You know, I've got tired sex.
	I've got tired sex.
	Oh, my God.
	But you can just like, okay, I mean, I guess.
	I took someone else.
	I'm not saying this happens to me all the time.
	I took some melatonin and she's like, babe, I want to fuck.
	I'm like, damn, I just took some fucking melatonin.
	Chill out.
	And she's like, I'm like, okay, let's go.
	I literally want to see.
	I want to see chat right now because I want to know how many men have had sex with women who are like dead fish in the bedroom.
	There is a name for it in Japanese, actually, Maguro.
	Like, there's a whole lot of people.
	You have to be so deep into a relationship for that to happen, though.
	I don't feel like it.
	No, you can, like, you can essentially, like, say, say, I'm pursuing her.
	It's really hot and it's great.
	And then once we go and we close the doors, she just lays there.
	And I'm just like, like a pillow princess.
	Like, she just wants to lay there.
	She doesn't want to just receive.
	I don't know.
	You know what I think it is?
	You know what I think it is?
	I think it's the extroverted bees that be fucking pillow princess, pillow princesses and like what's it called dead fish?
	Well, or dead fish.
	I date introverted chicks and like shy, quiet chicks oh, they're hungry, they're fucking free.
	I'm just saying it's the introverted chicks, it's not these loud, fucking boisterous extroverted chicks that are freaky.
	It's the quiet girls.
	Yeah, that library with the glasses and the library chick's gonna rock your world.
	Yeah, I mean and.
	But again, it's just one of those things like you don't know until you and I'm not saying like every.
	I've had a lot of great experiences with women, so I'm not saying that I find it often but I have heard of scenarios where what about like hygiene?
	Oh, I mean yeah, that everyone should have good hygiene.
	Yeah wait, what do you mean?
	That's another, that's another shameful.
	Like, not shameful, but like it's a shame because you don't know until you're there.
	Yeah, and then you're like if it smells like dead fish, I don't know how we got.
	I think I was just talking about pizza or something I don't know.
	You said all yeah.
	I said it's like you can't fuck up a pizza.
	Like wait, even here's the thing right, even bad pizza, it's still good.
	Like yeah, I mean you're still gonna, you know, unless there be pineapple on it.
	I knew you were gonna say that.
	Someone was gonna say I was gonna ask who likes pineapple on pizza?
	There's look, there's different look.
	But here's the thing, though.
	There's also, like some, some super, like next level transcendent, super Saiyan, level five pussy too.
	That that's where you get a comparison that can get you into trouble as a guy.
	That's why I actually think that.
	So there's a, this concept called alpha widow where like, once a once a girl gets with a certain it could.
	It could be personality, it could be the, the d game, could be status, could be money.
	Once you get with a certain tier of dude, it's gonna be hard to date like normal guys.
	Or once a guy knows how to hit it like just right, then you're like, you're gonna, you're just sad forever.
	Once you get with a chick who can't, who like, comes instantly you're, it's over.
	I can't put any woman off, it's just, it's done, you're done.
	Once you get with a girl who comes like has she lying what she was probably lying?
	No, bro.
	Once you get with a girl who comes instantly and can come like 50 times it's you're, it's over right, you know what she has in your head.
	Yeah, have you encountered a girl like that?
	That can come multiple times?
	Yeah yeah, it's just, it's over.
	Sorry, Andrew earmuffs, they got the super Saiyan pussy.
	You know what I mean?
	They got that gorilla grip.
	Well no, it's not about that.
	They're just like overly sensitive and it just like because typically, what happens when you're stimulated once initially, and you orgasm, you're so sensitive and stimulated that it just continues to happen over and over and over again.
	Yeah, so then you compare every other girl to her.
	What do you mean?
	Are you alpha widowed?
	Now Brian, a little bit.
	I'm just saying like you, I like you're saying it's so good, so like, do you compare every other girl to her?
	Because you're saying like after, after that it like it's done for everyone else exactly different.
	You know what I mean?
	It's a little different.
	So you're saying it could be different.
	Just, it can't be bad.
	That's why both men and women should not be promiscuous, because every time you're rolling the dice, you're playing russian roulette, and once you land on the super Saiyan pussy, You're just, it's like you're going to compare.
	Oh, you're just going to make these comparisons.
	And yeah.
	People do that about personality as well.
	Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
	Like, once you, the person that you just vibed with the best.
	Your first love, too.
	You know, a lot of people.
	I just think there's also room for evolution, too.
	You cannot have transcendent sex with someone and then have transcendent sex with him later on down the road.
	What in the world is transcendent sex?
	What kind of transcendentality is that?
	Maybe one day you will join the club.
	Maybe one day you will join the pizza.
	He's married.
	What does me being married have to do with not understanding transcendent sex?
	What kind of a service is that?
	No, that's what we're saying.
	You probably do understand it because you're married.
	Yeah, what is transcendental?
	Like, it just gets better, right?
	It gets better at the moment.
	Devon Jackson donated $200.
	Interesting how the energy from these trumpets increases when it becomes a degenerate conversation.
	I feel like it was more energy.
	Hold on.
	He's a great energy man.
	He's a pioneer.
	My energy?
	You went from being distraught to very passionate real quick.
	Oh, no, she brought it up.
	You brought it up.
	What did I bring up?
	I don't know.
	We're talking about the power.
	I just said, can we move forward?
	But then you talked about, well, maybe the sex wasn't going to happen.
	I mean, yeah, I mean.
	Oh, here's the actual quote.
	So it goes, sex is a lot like pizza.
	When it's good, it's great.
	When it's bad, it's still pretty good.
	I think that's the quote.
	I must have got mixed up a little bit.
	Makes sense.
	But I think that applies more to men than women.
	Yeah, definitely, because I've had bad pizza.
	Because here's the difference, right?
	What pizza is bad pizza?
	And chunky too much sauce pizza.
	Why is there more sauce pizza?
	Even those are okay.
	And hunger levels, because if you were satiated from some really good pizza, would you still go for the decent pizza?
	Oh, they are fox pizza.
	I do think here's the difference, though, because I think, and this kind of relates to the differential in terms of like a girl could just lay there, and like we could, through our own effort, still re like 99% of men could reach climax.
	Oh, for sure.
	But I would argue, if a guy just laid there, could 99% of women just reach climax just through sexual intercourse alone?
	I mean, if you maintain that boner and you let me just use you, then yeah.
	Some women, but also there's a higher percentage of women that can't orgasm from penetration than you know.
	That is true.
	Well put.
	Anyways, let's move it on from this.
	Sounds like a good idea.
	Good times.
	Good times.
	Where were we?
	Oh, Dayvon Jackson.
	Do we have any super chats?
	What was the thing we had to pull up, Nick?
	We talked about the bow, right?
	Nobody liked the bow.
	Yeah, it's unfortunate.
	Home math?
	We already did that.
	We did that.
	We did.
	We could go back to age gap stuff, or we could do...
	Wasn't there another thing that came up?
	What's that?
	I thought there was another one that came up that just didn't ding.
	I just didn't hear it.
	Not sure.
	Let's react to the Desirable Truth clip.
	I saw this.
	This was an interesting one.
	Before that, though, go to twitch.tv slash whatever.
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	Okay, Nick, you can pull up.
	Think it up.
	Or pull it up.
	Let's go.
	All right, make it a little bigger.
	Oh, I saw this.
	Okay, go ahead.
	26.
	22.
	How long have you been together?
	Two years.
	Two years.
	If she gave you a guilt-free pass to sleep with anybody, would you take it?
	No, sir.
	You might get one pass, but at the end of the day, you want one wife.
	And this is the wife I want.
	So no.
	Okay.
	Now, what about you if he gave you one?
	If he gave me a guilt treat pass, I would take it.
	That's crazy.
	That's crazy.
	Sorry.
	That's crazy.
	Who would you take it with?
	Um, Lindy Waters III.
	Oh, no.
	Don't even know who that is.
	That's our problem.
	Yup.
	Yup.
	Who else?
	Um, Barry Sanders.
	I'm in love with him.
	What do you think those men have over your men?
	Uh, they're professional athletes.
	That's crazy.
	She.
	Hey, black or white.
	One is Native American and one's black.
	But do you think that any of those guys would go for you?
	Uh, Junior one.
	That's crazy.
	Hey, at the end of the day, it's whatever.
	Whatever.
	I'll do it today.
	I don't care.
	How old are you?
	Yikes.
	Okay.
	She would have been with him.
	She would have been with the guy holding the mic at this point.
	He had his arm around her.
	He could have just cinched it a little bit closer.
	Just kind of.
	Yeah, just cinched it a little bit.
	But no, he didn't.
	I wonder.
	Is it like a lot of those kind of on-the-street interviews, though?
	I don't know.
	I don't want to throw the guy under the bus.
	He does a lot of those kind of clips, interviews.
	I wonder if a lot of those are staged, though.
	I mean, it could be real.
	I don't know.
	I think it's real.
	Do you think it was real?
	Yeah, I think so.
	There are some wild people.
	She had that.
	She had those answers ready.
	Is that a problem?
	I've been thinking about this question.
	So going around the table, is that a breakup?
	Is that a dump?
	No.
	Yes, but that's just me.
	That's just you?
	Okay.
	What do you think?
	Yeah, if I'm the guy.
	Right.
	For sure.
	If you're the guy.
	He never loved me.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	And so break up.
	Break up.
	Oh, I'd be gone.
	She's foreshadowing.
	Here's your past.
	So for me, the reasoning is that they're professional athletes that will probably never look twice at her.
	But they're not.
	I know she said that they would.
	They probably would, though.
	She's good looking, actually.
	She would take the whole team at once.
	They'd probably spend that.
	So, yeah.
	If you would say that in front of your dude on camera.
	He was 22, though.
	That was an interesting typically worth it.
	That's also worrisome.
	Just that she's 26 and thinks that way.
	Yeah.
	Yo, bro.
	You need a little advice.
	You need some advice.
	Shoot me a DM.
	My advice will basically say dump her.
	That's it.
	That's crazy.
	That's crazy.
	He's going to get clowned on for the rest of his life.
	So did the girl.
	Like, you can't, there's no recovering from that.
	That's why, if you're ever on the street with your girl, you can't.
	If you're ever on the street with your girl and somebody wants to come interview you about dating shit, you can't do it.
	It's not going to come.
	Yeah, no, no, no.
	Wait, wait, wait.
	I got counter advice to this.
	I think you can if you're not a simp.
	So if he had gone, what'd you just say, you stupid bitch?
	Get the fuck out of here.
	Then he would have been heralded as being epic and awesome, right?
	He could have just done that instead of going, that's crazy.
	He could have been like, get out of here.
	Fucking problem.
	What are you doing?
	He could have done that.
	That is.
	At least take your arm off her.
	Yeah.
	So like, if you're dating someone and you're like, if you had a free pass, who would you use it on?
	And they said, like, a famous actress.
	Like, you would get upset and break up with that person.
	It's the fact that he said nobody first and she continued with multiple different people and their first and last and suffix.
	Like, come on.
	And the suffix.
	I was just asking.
	And when he asked her why, and she said that they're professional athletes.
	Oh, I'm not sure.
	The reverse.
	Like, what would he say?
	Like, because they're shorter?
	Because they're a model, yeah.
	Yeah.
	Major yikes.
	Either way, it would hurt.
	Major yikes.
	I think he dodged a bullet, though, because he's not married to her yet.
	He's probably still simping, bro.
	They're probably still together.
	I hope they're not.
	His arms around her right now.
	As they speak.
	I wonder which professional athlete this chick's thinking about.
	I hope the internet bullied them so hard they're not together anymore.
	What the fuck, not as good as anything?
	They shouldn't be together.
	I wonder what their role play is like.
	That's what it takes.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	She's like, hey, but I buy you this jersey.
	Can you wear it next time we get it on?
	Put this helmet on.
	Damn.
	R.I.P.'s in the chat for that dude.
	What was the other thing we were going to touch on?
	There was.
	I forgot.
	If the bow was staged, would it still be as meaningful to you?
	The bow video?
	If it was.
	Oh.
	If you found out it was staged.
	It was.
	That was for sure.
	Yeah, it was for sure a bit.
	It was for sure a bit.
	But it still did.
	But the message is nice.
	Well, I need all that other shit.
	I don't know.
	All these girls be trying to cook, but honestly.
	That's me look good.
	I'll just get DoorDash.
	Top ramen.
	The top ramen looked good.
	Wasn't there several dishes?
	There were several dishes.
	Yeah, I don't know.
	I don't know.
	Why would they highlight the top ramen?
	Why would you highlight the, like, what?
	I think they were highlighting that she was mixing it for him.
	What if it was like she was taking care of everything?
	Made it.
	If she made it all, she did with water and the microwave.
	But not water.
	What if she made it from scratch?
	Ooh.
	I guess you never know.
	We need the backstory.
	They'll be making everything from scratch.
	Today I'm coming here with.
	Today I'm making toothpaste.
	Right.
	She actually did go.
	No, she did not.
	She made toothpaste.
	They made doderant.
	What kind of potato chips?
	By the way, TTS is now back to $69, guys.
	If any of you want to get your TTSs in, we have it back to $69.
	Let me just double check, make sure that everything has been set up so that can come through.
	It should be good now.
	What was the other thing?
	Let me get back to my pre-show notes.
	Actually, I do want to ask the bear question.
	Would you rather come across a random man or a random bear in the woods?
	I was here for that one.
	And I pick man.
	Man.
	If you ever see a bear in the forest, help the bear.
	Probably.
	A man, I guess, I guess.
	I fucking guess.
	I feel like you can avoid a bear.
	You just stand still.
	It'll mind its business, go about its way.
	A man might follow you.
	So you choose the bear?
	But do I choose the bear, though?
	Because man.
	Just don't look at them.
	What about you?
	What's the context?
	You're just coming across them.
	A button is pressed.
	You get magically transported into the woods.
	A random man out of the entire population, totally rented man, also gets transported into the woods.
	So it's not like it's just some like random dude intentionally in the woods.
	It's a random dude who also got transported into the woods.
	And a random bear could also be magically, you will cross paths.
	So it's not like you're going to evade that shit.
	Like you're just crossing paths, basically.
	Do they both see me like, is the man predatory or is he just a regular man?
	Does he have a weapon?
	You don't know.
	Well, definitely a man, either way.
	Okay.
	I would say a man.
	Okay.
	Man and hope he's not like a predator.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Bear because I'm hoping it's Yogi the bear.
	Oh, that's cute.
	If we're talking about like any random man, well, why can't it be random bear?
	Or Smokey the Bear.
	Give me a lesson about the fire.
	And is it a baby bear or an adult bear?
	Have you ever been to Russia?
	They cuddle with bears.
	Exactly.
	Imagine.
	But I guess in America they cuddle with men.
	No.
	What's your answer?
	We don't.
	Bear.
	Just kidding.
	Man, of course, man.
	Like woman or bear?
	Well, woman or man.
	Yeah, it's kind of a question you can really only pose to women, I guess.
	I mean, I guess you can pose it to man.
	Okay, a woman with a weapon or a man.
	Or a bear.
	Wait, what?
	With a picnic basket.
	What kind of weapon does the woman have?
	A gun.
	So it's between a, would I rather be in the woods with a woman with a gun?
	Or a man.
	Or a bear.
	Or a bear.
	Yeah.
	The woman with the gun.
	But she's already threatened by you.
	Pop!
	Okay.
	I see her from 50 yards away.
	I do the most, I just say, hey there.
	And then I turn my ass around and walk away.
	That's it.
	Okay, well, that works.
	You know what, though?
	I was thinking about this question, the man or bear question.
	And I was thinking, what if you asked men in reverse the exact same question?
	I think I would rather get stuck in the middle of a forest with a bear, honestly, than a woman.
	I think my chances of getting out alive are going to be better if I was in the forest with a bear than if I was with a woman.
	Because you have to help me.
	Perfectly honest.
	Yeah, because you'd just be like, God, can you do something useful other than whine?
	Like, that's what I think would happen.
	Be like, have you ever done anything useful in your whole, can you do anything?
	I don't know.
	I don't know how to do shit.
	That's what I think would happen.
	So I think I would rather go with a bear.
	I'm just a girl.
	Okay.
	Good times.
	Good times.
	Well, nobody really seems to want to, you know, the bear, you know, y'all prefer the man.
	If someone had said the bear, what would that mean about them?
	I said the bear question.
	I said the bear.
	Yeah, but you gave like a joking.
	Okay, but if it really was an actual bear, yeah, I would still take that.
	You'd still take the bear?
	For real.
	Drop dead.
	Act dead.
	Yeah.
	Thank God it's me.
	Wait, just curious why.
	Why the bear over the man?
	Wow, how cool.
	I'm seeing a bear.
	I don't know.
	I just feel like being in the woods with the man just seems more scarier.
	I mean, it's their nat, like that's their home.
	And I feel like if I can just act still and play dead, they're going to not notice me versus like an actual man who like.
	Because why are you out here?
	Probably both out here.
	I'm still curious about the context.
	Because if I'm alone in the woods, because I got lost, and this other random got lost in the woods, and he's a generally good man, I'd rather someone that I can converse with and make it back to civilization with alive rather than a bear where it can really only go so many ways, especially if he's hungry.
	Like the man is in the same man is in the woods for the same reason that you're not.
	I guess I just like frankly think he's like going to hurt me.
	I feel like with the bear.
	He was already burying bodies down the road.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Elsa, you said, at least with your dating coaching business, you said you turn nice guys who chase women into confident men who choose their pick.
	I think is that on your Instagram?
	Okay.
	So what's like some of your go-to dating advice for the gentleman out there?
	Well, earlier someone said, I think it may have been you.
	You were, I don't know if this was your view, so correct me if I'm wrong, but the view around dating multiple people being wrong.
	I actually, when I work with clients, I want them to date multiple women and I want them to choose a woman that best suits what they're looking for and that is most compatible with them.
	So when I work with clients, like one client that comes to mind, Andy, that I worked with a few years back, he had the whole package in terms of he's handsome and successful and kind, but he didn't know how to position himself.
	Like it's kind of like what you were saying.
	Would you rather a guy approach you nervous, quivering, no confidence, or would you rather him be smooth and confident?
	So some men have all the ingredients of a high-quality dude, but they just don't know how to position themselves that way.
	And so one piece of advice that I gave him and that I worked on with him was helping him become more confident so that when he talks to a woman, he's displaying that protector and provider vibe that a lot of women are looking for.
	A man that makes them feel safe rather than a man who is safe, like the guy in the video that we just watched.
	Like, according to that video, he's not going anywhere.
	And so she clearly does not respect him too much.
	And so that's what I help guys do.
	I help them display with more confidence.
	And part of that is getting more experience and dating more women and getting more exposure to attractive women so that they realize that the pedestal they have them on isn't necessary.
	Like they're just ordinary people.
	She may be very attractive, but she's an ordinary person just like you.
	And part of how I do that is expose them to attractive women.
	So I bring a lot of attractive women to my coaching practice.
	I pair them up on dates with the men.
	And essentially over time, men start to normalize interacting with attractive women.
	And then, when they do see that hot girl at the gym, they just walk up to her instead of thinking about it and talking themselves out of it and saying, Well, she probably has a boyfriend, or she probably gets approached all the time, which is actually not that true.
	Usually, attractive women, the more attractive she is, the less she gets approached.
	Because many men are intimidated by it.
	Is it all the mids?
	They get all the attention, is what you're saying.
	They do get more attention than attractive women, yeah.
	Yeah, because it's less intimidating.
	Like, there's the stakes aren't as high.
	So, my goal is to help a nice guy, a guy who positions like a nice guy who's insecure, become the type of dude that would walk up to the 10 at the gym and just shoot a shot.
	Word.
	How does that work, like, in terms of bringing the women in, like, I guess, like your business structure?
	Yeah.
	So, they're usually women who are single and they are like physically attractive, but they also can carry a conversation.
	So, they're interesting, they're passionate about something.
	And they come in, they do a virtual date.
	It would kind of be like if you matched on a dating app and you did a FaceTime call, right?
	So, she's assessing like several different things about him.
	And instead of, so in the real world, when a guy goes on a date, and this happens a lot to my clients before we start working together, he may, if that, if he goes on a date and he thinks that it went really well, and then the girl ghosts him after that, that's feedback.
	It's not feedback he can use because he has no clue what he did wrong, but it's feedback.
	And the feedback is she wasn't feeling it, right?
	So, my goal is to externalize that feedback from attractive women so that men actually have something actionable that they can do.
	So, okay, you're not feeling it, but why?
	Is it because he didn't flirt enough?
	Is it because he kept interrupting you?
	Is it because he's kind of fat and needs to lose weight?
	Like, what's the reason that you wouldn't give a guy like that a chance in the real world?
	Because if we can take that data and give it to men, men are problem solvers by nature.
	So, if you give them a solution to their problem, they'll act on it.
	So, but those women are actually single.
	So, sometimes they do end up dating my clients.
	It ends up happening that they want to stay connected.
	So, they're not just like acting, in other words.
	They actually are open to meeting men.
	How do you find those women?
	Like, what's that pro like word of mouth?
	Because I've been doing this for a long time.
	So, a lot of the women who work with me spread the word to their other single female friends.
	Wait, so they go on fake dates?
	I mean, it's not really a, yeah, I guess in a sense, it's fake in that they didn't meet for the intention to date, but they are open to it.
	It would be kind of like if we were at a dinner party and I introduced you to my single girlfriend, and I was like, hey, this is Katie.
	I want you guys to meet.
	And then I walked away.
	Whatever happens from that point on is up to you.
	It's not necessarily fake.
	Like, she may or may not be open to you.
	Well, but the guys know that you're arranging dates with these women, right?
	And the women know that too.
	But if the woman's attracted to the guy, it's not going to stop her from going on a date with him.
	No, but like the women are paid to go on the dates, right?
	They're paid to give their feedback, yes.
	And the guy, but the guys know that it's not like a real date.
	She's like taking the first step for that.
	Right.
	The guys know that it's not a real date.
	Correct.
	I used to not pay women.
	The reason why I actually started to pay women is because a lot of them would flake last minute because there's just no skin in the game.
	Right.
	Yeah.
	So I started to pay them to make sure they showed up.
	And also, honestly, I was able to get more attractive women that way.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	How much?
	So, but I'm assuming the guy has to pay then for the fake date.
	Well, the guy pays for the program.
	He pays to get.
	And that includes like a date, correct?
	It corrects three dates.
	It includes three dates.
	One in the beginning.
	How much is it?
	What my price is?
	Sure, yeah.
	I mean, it depends on the package.
	I don't just have like a one-size-fits-all.
	Well, it's a range.
	It just depends on.
	Yeah.
	So you said whatever package it is, it includes three dates.
	Yes, because I.
	So, what's like the different packages, I guess.
	I don't know.
	They can go to her website.
	Yeah, just go to my Instagram.
	It has it on your Instagram.
	If we have the conversation on Instagram, we have to get on a call.
	I know, but we have to get on a call because I don't know where that person's starting point is.
	Some men are like, some men are high-profile.
	They don't want to be in a group with other men.
	They just want to work with me directly.
	That's one price.
	Some men.
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	Woman in black, do you discourage women from the hashtag MeTooMindset?
	Being that's the main reason men are apprehensive approaching woman.
	They have an aversion to being branded as a predator.
	Okay.
	Yeah, I mean, I tell my clients all the time that they need to stop feeling bad for expressing their attraction to women because a lot of men don't want to be seen as creepy.
	And unfortunately, like the bar for what is creepy is kind of blurred after the Me Too movement to where a lot of men are like, I'm just not even going to bother.
	Like I'm not even, I just don't even want to go there.
	And I do think that that's unfortunate.
	It sucks.
	Can we get back to the pricing here?
	I was interested in it.
	Why?
	I'm curious.
	What are you looking for out of the answer?
	Because it also depends on how much work you want to do on your own.
	Well, why does there have to be an alternative motivation?
	We're just curious.
	Sammy's a fitness coach.
	I'm assuming.
	I don't want to.
	No, I'm assuming.
	I was literally just going to say I did the same thing.
	Depending on how much Sammy is involved in the process, I'm assuming there's different prices.
	Like when I worked with a fitness coach, there was a, I'm going to just write you a meal plan and you're going to execute on your own.
	Here are the exercises.
	That's one price.
	Are you going to answer?
	No.
	Like we know because there's not one answer.
	Well, what's the average price?
	It's in you.
	It ranges.
	You can take all your prices together and average.
	It ranges between $1,000 all the way up to $25K, depending on where you are on the spectrum and exactly what you're looking for.
	So for a thousand bucks, they get three dates?
	For a thousand bucks, they get an e-course that has feedback.
	That's the thing.
	It's like, what do you want?
	Do you want to do it by yourself?
	Do you want to do it on your own?
	Or do you want to just watch some videos and learn and execute?
	Or do you want accountability from my team?
	Or do you want to work with me directly and not really have to share the spotlight with other men?
	It just depends.
	Like, I've worked with celebrities who don't want to be known.
	They don't want to be around other men.
	So you do have a group, though.
	Yeah, yeah.
	My mastermind is the most popular option.
	So how much is that?
	The mastermind right now is 12K.
	And does that include dates or no?
	Yeah.
	12K.
	And it's like a group setting.
	And it's also like, it depends on when you buy.
	So there's different price ranges depending on if you buy on the call or if you buy after you have a call with someone from my team.
	Yeah, it's not one and done.
	I know y'all are looking for a one and done answer, but it's not one and done.
	Yeah, there's different tiers.
	It depends on how many nuts and bolts you want.
	Like how many features do you want?
	It just depends.
	Like I've arranged in-person.
	Sorry, I'm sorry.
	I've arranged.
	I actually don't even know if that's how you say it.
	English is my third language, so sometimes I mess up things.
	But it also depends.
	Like I've done in-person events for one man where I will like curate an event all around him where he shows up.
	There's all these like women, and he's like the highlight of the night.
	So it literally depends on what a man wants, what he can afford, what his time, how much time he has to commit to the process.
	I'm not trying to dodge the question because I don't want to answer it.
	It's more just like, yeah, there's just not one size fits all.
	No, no, I understand.
	It's like, are you buying?
	Go for it.
	Mrs. Watson, if you don't mind, the reason I'm asking is because I'd like to know what is a 20, what does a $25,000 package look like?
	That's a private coaching package.
	So it's where you're not working with other men.
	It's just me directly.
	Just you and I directly for three months.
	So you have your psychology degree, yes.
	Marketing and psychology.
	Yeah, cool.
	So whenever these men come to you, do you have almost like a therapy session with them where you go in and give them kind of like a diagnosis on maybe some of the like relationship issues that they have?
	Is that part of it?
	Or is that like one of the things that you include?
	Yeah, so mindset basically.
	I don't know.
	Yeah, well, I'm not a therapist and I don't, I definitely don't pretend to be one.
	If someone is in a very, very low mental place where I feel like they could be a harm to themselves, I definitely will redirect them.
	For me, it's more just like, look, I am 37.
	I'm successful.
	All my guy friends are married.
	I think I'm handsome.
	I think I'm cool.
	And yet, when I start talking to a girl, everything goes great for like six weeks.
	And then I get the, I'm not feeling it text, and I have no clue what I'm doing wrong.
	And unlike my career, where when I have a problem, I can find a solution and like and take care of it.
	With women, I have no clue what I'm doing wrong.
	I keep hitting my head against the same wall, and I don't want to have kids when I'm 60.
	Like, I want to start setting myself up for being able to have a family, meet someone that I want to be with.
	And I also like, I want to settle, but I don't, I want to settle down, but I don't want to settle.
	So, can you help me figure out what the hell I'm doing wrong?
	Yeah, so you don't use your psychology degree.
	You basically use, to give them their constructive feedback, you use these, or not, I don't want to say use, but you take the data from these women that they've gone on dates with and then provide that, not from a standpoint.
	Yeah, that's part of it.
	But that's just for them to know where they are.
	Because the best way to know how to attract the type of person that you want is to figure out what that type of person would think about you in the mating market.
	So, like, let's say that a woman wants to date someone who is tall and rich and handsome.
	She has to know what that man is optimizing for in order to know if she has a realistic shot with him.
	And it's the same for men.
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	Bachelor's degree in grifting from University of Eastern Antarctica.
	Aw, okay.
	Yeah.
	So, I mean, the whole like, wait, but some of the women ultimately end up dating like the women you procure?
	Yeah, because they're single and they are attracted to the guy that I pair them with.
	And if they both want to stay in touch, then they do.
	Yeah, I mean, on one hand, it's like it's not a terrible idea if the guy's an absolute, has no social acumen at all and he needs like a little bit of experience by like paying for it to go on a date.
	I guess he can like maybe work out some of the little kinks and nerves, whatever.
	But I feel like the dynamic, I mean, like these women are paid to be there.
	So like, it's not going to be a really authentic date.
	I know that's not the only component of what you're selling, but it doesn't occur to me that it's going to be like they're getting paid, right?
	Well, that's not the primary, that's not the primary incentive, though.
	I'm not a matchmaker.
	No.
	But even matchmaking, like, even if the woman's not paid to be there, it doesn't always work out.
	It's either she's attracted to him or she's not.
	So her being paid is irrelevant.
	She's getting paid for her time.
	She's getting paid to block 30 minutes off her schedule and talk to a man that she's never met before and has no clue anything about him.
	And she's being paid to show up to the date, dressed beautifully.
	And have these ended in marriage for your clients?
	Oh, yeah.
	Yeah.
	Oh, yeah.
	Yeah.
	If that's what they want.
	I also work with divorced men who literally just got out of a relationship and the last thing on their mind is marriage.
	Like they just want to, some of them, maybe they marry their high school sweetheart.
	They stay together for 15 years.
	Now they're newly.
	They just want to go out and home.
	They just want to have fun.
	Yeah, they want to have fun.
	They want to date multiple hot women and have fun.
	And there's nothing wrong with that.
	If they never got to have that phase, then they get to have that.
	So not everyone's end goal is marriage.
	I mean, it didn't sound like a marriage.
	How many marriages do you think you've been able to accommodate in your career?
	Of the men who wanted to get married, many.
	But like I said, it's not always the end goal.
	Like I have a very big percentage of my clientele that are actually divorcees.
	And that's not where they're headed.
	They just want to have fun.
	And there are also men who want to eventually get married, but with my help, they just want to have the experience of dating multiple attractive women and not getting shut down.
	Would you say like more than 20 of your clients who wanted to get married have been married?
	If they wanted to get married, yes.
	It doesn't always happen under my watch.
	Sometimes they learn the skills and then three months later after the program ends, they meet someone.
	Or they meet someone while they're in my program and then they get married like months down the road.
	So it doesn't always happen like when we're working together.
	But in terms of someone walks in and says, hey, this is my three-month goal, we get them their goals.
	We have a very high success rate.
	We have a very high retention rate as well.
	Meaning we hold on to people for a long time.
	People want to continue working with us because they come in, they have a goal, they hit it, and then they want to continue.
	How long have you been doing this?
	Seven and a half years.
	Seven and a half years.
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	Andrew and Sammy forget anger.
	What about love?
	Would you prefer a man tell you he loves you with no facial expression?
	Or would you prefer he show you he loves you with a hug by contact, etc.
	She said that earlier.
	Yeah, that's true.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	We talked about that.
	Would you prefer men to tell you he loves you with no facial expression?
	Wait, did we go around the table on this?
	Did you guys want to?
	We did, didn't we?
	We all did.
	Oh, this is for Sammy.
	Okay.
	That was when we were talking about anger and showing emotion.
	Do you want to answer the question, though?
	Which do you prefer?
	Yeah, I did.
	I would prefer like actual visual or physical affection.
	Got it.
	Well, for some reason, it's not coming up, but Stiffler, Stiffler, I don't see it in the Stream Labs.
	He says, ask everyone to rate their looks on a scale of one to 10, but it's not popping.
	I don't know what's going on.
	Ask everyone to rate their looks on a scale of one to ten.
	You can't say seven.
	Go ahead.
	You already know.
	Every time is a ten.
	All right, Sammy, what about you?
	You say you can't say seven?
	Yeah.
	I would say six.
	Okay.
	Nine.
	Didn't you say ten previously?
	Why did you downgrade?
	I'm getting some weight.
	No?
	Dive my hair a different color, I gained some weight, got a couple more experiences on my mouth.
	Okay.
	I left enough.
	You didn't have to play that.
	A range between 7.5 and like 7.9, depending on the day.
	Okay.
	I would say 8.5.
	All right.
	I would say 10.
	Okay.
	I'd say like five or six.
	Eight.
	Five.
	Andrew, what about you?
	Four.
	So we got two tens at the table here.
	Let's dig into this a little bit.
	And a nine over here.
	Let's dig into this a little bit.
	So I'll just go right out the gate here and say, there's no tens at the table.
	Not a ten, not a ten, not a nine.
	I'm sorry.
	Very sorry.
	I'm sorry.
	I'm sorry.
	Because you are the judge of all, yeah.
	Yes, I'm the arbiter.
	Absolutely.
	I'm the arbiter and the judge and the executioner of female beauty.
	Absolutely.
	That's right.
	That is right.
	Yeah.
	I mean, what do you got to say?
	I can't be mad that a two is rating me not ugly.
	Well, see, now that's just a little bit of a dude.
	I don't understand that logic.
	Like, wouldn't a person who was ugly know ugly when they saw it?
	I guess.
	Just saying.
	Would you rate yourself?
	Against reason.
	Yeah.
	Why do you think of yourself as a five?
	What's negative about you?
	Well, much like my friend here, I've gained some weight.
	I noticed.
	And there's a lot of in and out.
	I noticed too.
	Actually, I think you put on a little more than me, though.
	You know what I mean?
	I don't know about that one.
	I probably did.
	Let's hop on the scale.
	But anyways, let's see.
	I mean, look, I definitely gained some weight.
	I've gained some weight.
	Got to lose some weight.
	I got a dad bog right now.
	I got some okay things going for me.
	You know, I still luckily have a, you know, I'm maybe, you know, got full head of hair still, a little bit.
	Maybe it won't last long.
	Blue eyes, tall, six foot one.
	But otherwise, yeah, face, not unremarkable.
	Trust fund?
	Trust fund?
	What does that have to do with?
	Oh, yeah, okay.
	Finance, yeah.
	That wouldn't enhance physical beauty.
	It wouldn't enhance physical beauty.
	Yeah, I think I'm pretty average, I guess.
	Yeah.
	So I got a quick question.
	Raise your hands if you said 10.
	I know more than one person said 10.
	Come on.
	Raise the hands if you said 10.
	It was her and her, and then she said 9.
	Okay, then she said 9.
	Okay.
	So then to the gal in the yellow dress, are you the prettiest girl in the room?
	No.
	then who is?
	I think we're all pretty in our own ways.
	Yeah, yeah, that wasn't the question I asked.
	If you're not the prettiest girl in the room, who do you think the prettiest girl in the room is?
	I don't have an answer for that.
	I don't you think she is more beautiful than her.
	I don't think she's more beautiful than her.
	I think they all look different and they all look amazing in their own ways.
	So just to be clear, let's assume that inside of that room, there was a girl who had half of her face burned off in a horrific accident.
	Her teeth were showing on the side of her mouth and her tongue was hanging out of it.
	Okay.
	Would you still say she was a 10?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, exactly.
	So then you're really not actually rating physically.
	Have them rate themselves, then the girl to the right, then ask woman in black if any of them were lying.
	So then the thing is, is you're not actually engaging with the spirit of the question because you're essentially saying that the hunchback of Notre Dame is a 10.
	Basically, everybody's a 10, right?
	Everybody on planet Earth is a 10.
	Right.
	Yeah, so then there's just no ugly people?
	Yeah.
	No, I think, I don't think there's ugly people in the world.
	Not a single one?
	No.
	Everyone's pretty ugly.
	So like a wicked witch with a big schnaz with a ward on it, you know, and she's missing all of her teeth and she's just ugly.
	You know what I mean?
	She's a 10 in your world.
	Well, I'm you're talking about.
	Well, that's totally your made-up character.
	Yeah, well, wait, wait, who cares if it's a made-up character?
	It's not a made-up character.
	There's definitely old, prone-looking witches who are hideous, who exist in this world, but you're saying they're a 10, right?
	To someone.
	No, not to someone.
	It doesn't even follow that they'd be a 10 to somebody.
	That's just like made up trust.
	They're in the made up, so I can.
	No, I think everyone here is a 10.
	I think everybody that is human was created beautifully in their own ways, and I think that's it.
	There's definitely no such thing as a nine, there's no such thing as an eight, there's no such thing as a seven.
	Everybody on planet Earth is a ten.
	Yeah, I think everybody is beautiful.
	Men, women, so with the spirit of the question of you, the prism of you, have you ever judged anybody to be less good-looking than all paladins donated $69.
	I didn't hear that.
	It doesn't even matter that there aren't any nines or tens at this table.
	Mentally in relationship material, you're all number one out of ten in my book.
	Word.
	I think it's kind of back to this.
	Can I add to what you're saying, Andrea?
	Yeah, no, no.
	Hang on.
	Let me see if we're here.
	Andrea.
	No, hang on.
	Hang on.
	Let me finish the inquiry.
	I'll wait for you.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Let me finish the inquiry.
	So what I'm wondering is then, if you think everybody on planet Earth is a 10, you have never judged anybody as being not good looking?
	Ever?
	Well, no, it's not that they're not good looking.
	Maybe I'm just not attracted to them.
	probably not my preference if that's I don't know I think it's very shallow very shallow question So you've never judged anybody on planet Earth as being not good looking.
	I just want to make sure I got that clear.
	No, I don't think so.
	No, okay.
	So have you ever told a lie?
	I'm sure I have.
	Yeah, are you telling one right now?
	No, absolutely not.
	No.
	Are you sure?
	Yes, I do.
	Are you sure you're definitely never judged anybody on the planet you've ever met as being not good looking?
	Not even once.
	It's never crossed your mind.
	You've never been like, oh man.
	You're ugly.
	You've never thought that before?
	Never?
	No, I don't think so.
	No.
	No, never?
	Not even once, ever?
	No, I think it's a very shallow thing to say.
	I think it's a very hurtful thing to say.
	I didn't say say it.
	I said think it.
	Oh, no.
	Still not thinking.
	You've never thought it?
	No, I've never thought of it.
	I might have been like, oh my God, he is so ugly.
	I just, no, I don't think that.
	Really?
	I know.
	I was going to say, I feel like I've definitely seen some pretty ugly people in the world, but so let me ask you a question.
	If every man from your standard is a 10, then why would you have preferences at all?
	I don't have a preference.
	You got to speak into the mic.
	I can't.
	Oh, sorry.
	I don't have a preference.
	You have zero preferences for dating.
	So you would date.
	Then how come 15 seconds ago, right, I just asked you this question and you said, I've turned men down before, but it's because they don't meet my preferences.
	Wait, sorry?
	Not in love.
	A second ago, in this very conversation, you said, I've turned men down before because they don't meet my preferences.
	You've literally just said that.
	Yes, but not in terms of how they look.
	Maybe in terms of personality or things like that.
	How would you know their personality?
	You turned them down.
	Like, what's the fastest you've ever turned a guy down?
	What's the fastest?
	I don't know.
	I guess it depends.
	I would say, I don't normally two seconds.
	Yeah, like two seconds right away.
	You don't know anything about his personality.
	You don't know anything.
	Wait, you know nothing about his personality in two seconds.
	So why are you turning him down?
	You can know something about somebody's personality in two seconds.
	It depends on their approach.
	What?
	You know about the personality of somebody comes over and goes, hey, can I have your phone number?
	What does that tell you about their personality?
	I would say that he's pretty quick and I'm not even a hello first.
	Just give me your phone number.
	I don't like that.
	So you turn men down not because they don't meet a physical attractiveness level, but because in the two seconds it took you to talk to them, you were able to gauge and judge their entirety of their personality.
	Don't even engage them only on that question.
	Stop your bad liar.
	Stop the capu-fipper.
	Yeah, this is probably the most over-the-top amount of lies I've ever heard out of a woman on this show.
	This consecutively.
	You've never turned a guy down because he was bad looking.
	Every man on planet Earth is a 10.
	You have no physical preferences whatsoever.
	And the only reason you've ever shot a guy down is because you can tell everything that you need to know about their personality in two seconds.
	Do I have that about right?
	I guess so.
	Okay, yeah, this is beyond.
	Beyond the beyond.
	But anyway, I'll turn it over to the gal in black.
	Go ahead.
	Conventional attraction is definitely a thing.
	Like there is a biological way.
	And even babies can tell when someone has a symmetrical, attractive face and don't.
	I think what you're saying is beautiful in theory, but I think in practice, most people don't operate that way.
	And I also think that the question, like we can rate ourselves, but really the people who can answer whether someone is a nine or a ten are the people that you're trying to attract because dating is a market.
	It's like it's the mating market.
	So you don't really get to decide as a woman or a man if you're a nine or a ten.
	The market decides for you what your rating actually is.
	Yeah, I think there's some truth to that, but I also think that you are correct, that there are some sorts of objective standards and that there must be because I do think that most of us would agree that a woman who had half her face melted off, her teeth are showing on this side, her tongue hangs out, probably is not going to be a beautiful woman.
	You're probably not going to say that they're beautiful, and probably nobody on planet Earth is going to say that, right?
	We would agree.
	So there must be some standard there that we're looking at that we all are kind of repulsed by.
	So I would agree with this in a sense.
	But, you know, my kind of my greater question is to the other gal who said she's a 10.
	That would be, you know, who I'm talking.
	You know who's a 10.
	But wait, wait, wait, wait.
	I have a question for you.
	You got to talk right in the mic.
	I can't hear you.
	I have a question for you.
	Yeah, as soon as you answer mine, and then I'll answer yours, I promise.
	Right?
	Is that a deal?
	Good job.
	Sure, sure.
	You got it.
	All right, great.
	So are you the prettiest girl in that room?
	I think, I mean, I find some of these women very pretty.
	Yeah, I know.
	You know what my question is?
	Can you repeat my question?
	Hang on.
	Can you repeat my question to me?
	Am I the prettiest girl in the room?
	Yeah, no, answer that.
	I feel like that would be very self-conceited to say I am the prettiest girl in the room.
	Yeah, I agree.
	But you're the only one who rated yourself besides the other one as a 10.
	And that's their choice to rate.
	I get it.
	I get it.
	So, are you the prettiest girl in the room?
	Do you think?
	Or could you point to a girl you think is pretty?
	Maybe according to 30 of 100 people watching or according to other people, but according to you.
	According to you, are you the prettiest girl in the room?
	Well, I'm not looking for my, I'm not trying to find myself attractive.
	I'm not like, oh my God, I'm the most pretty.
	Okay, answer.
	Tell me again, what's my question to you?
	Am I the prettiest girl in the room?
	Now, now, hang on.
	Now that we know for sure that you know what my question is, answer that question.
	Don't make a new one up.
	Answer.
	I'm not trying to make a new one up.
	I don't think I'm the prettiest girl in the room, but I do think I'm a 10.
	Then point at the one you think is.
	But that the question was.
	Let her do it.
	Point at the one you think is.
	Over there.
	There's a girl over there.
	It's Brian.
	Brian is the prettiest girl in the room.
	Female, the female in the room, who you think is the prettiest?
	I'm not going to do that because I don't want to make other women feel a certain kind of way.
	So I'm going to keep my wife.
	You mean make them feel pretty?
	You're not going to make them feel like they're the prettiest girl in the room.
	That's really weird.
	Can you point to the prettiest girl in the room?
	No, because I'm not trying to make anyone else feel like they're not pretty because they're going to be beautiful to someone else.
	You know what?
	That's fair.
	So can we assume then that you do think that there are girls in that room who are prettier than other girls in that room?
	I think that there are a lot of pretty women in this room.
	And I have my preferences.
	Some of them are prettier than others.
	According to my preferences.
	Yes, according to your preferences.
	According to my tastes.
	Yes.
	Because I like what I like in women, just like you like what you like in women.
	So do you rate your wife a 10?
	So, so then it's.
	Wait, do you?
	I answered your question.
	It's my turn to ask you yours.
	Yeah, no, I want her to be a six.
	Yeah, my wife's a six.
	And have you said that to her face?
	She says it about herself.
	That sucks.
	You know why?
	Because she's not fucking delusional.
	So because she's not delusional, she lives in reality where the rest of us live.
	She was able to ascertain that she's not the most beautiful fucking woman on the planet and that she's not a 10 because there's other women.
	But she should be the most beautiful too.
	Hang on.
	There's other women who are objectively better looking than she is because she's not a delusional fucking lunatic.
	She was able to go, wait a second, I can look around the world and I can clearly see that there's other women who are more attractive than me.
	Isn't that interesting?
	But right?
	She should be a 10 in your opinion.
	My wife lives in the past.
	And you should view your woman as a 10.
	That is the thing.
	And she should not settle for you calling her a six because she's a girl.
	Who are you going to tell me?
	Should she settle for a porn star?
	Gets dicked down by dudes?
	Like, what should she settle for?
	Well, you have to go for that dick.
	I'm retired.
	Thank you very much.
	Oh, yeah, you retired what?
	Last week?
	When did you retire?
	Okay.
	You went for the cheap shot.
	No, you went for the cheap shot.
	No, I have to ask.
	It's like, I wouldn't have made it personal.
	You wouldn't have to.
	But why is your wife a six?
	Why do you agree that she is a six?
	Why would you not try to build her up to an eight or a ten?
	Because I live in objective reality.
	And inside of rejective reality, I could tell that women who weigh 400 fucking pounds, right, aren't as beautiful as women who don't weigh 400 pounds.
	And almost everybody agrees with my assessment, including my wife.
	And by the way, you and the girl next to you and the girl next to her and the girl next to her and the girl next to all of you agree with me.
	Then anything short of that is just you being lying copers, right?
	You're just lying and coping.
	That's what you're doing, isn't it?
	No.
	Or do you think that 400, the chicks from my 600-pound life, do you think that they're as pretty as a girl next to you?
	I'm just curious.
	I just want to make sure I get this right.
	I think it's about what you find attractive.
	So some men like, some men like that.
	Do most men like it?
	You'd be surprised.
	You'd be very surprised.
	You'd be surprised.
	You would go on Reddit and have a feel day.
	You will, your jaw will drop and your mind will be.
	Yeah, at this teeny, tiny minority of men who all get together over a fetish.
	Yeah, I don't care about that.
	Objectively, obviously, most men are not pining after 600-pound women.
	That's absurd.
	And you know it's absurd.
	So why not just say, look, Andrew, it is true.
	Okay, fine, Andrew.
	If you want to call your wife a six-year-old.
	If you want 600-pound chicks, call her six.
	If you want to call your wife a six, call her a six.
	What about her calling herself a six?
	Is she delusional?
	That's her choice.
	Yeah, so is she delusional?
	No.
	No?
	Okay, so then.
	She believes that.
	Should I be countermanning what my wife says about herself?
	You should try to build her up, is what you should try.
	How am I tearing her down?
	Do you think it's tearing a person down to allow them to live an objective reality with the rest of us?
	Do you think that that's beating them up?
	Am I tearing her down by understanding that, you know, I'm a four, and if she agrees with that, that's totally fine.
	That means I hit up.
	I struck out of my league.
	I got a chick who's way hotter than I assess myself as.
	Right?
	What's wrong with that?
	If you're happy with that, then I'm happy for you.
	Yeah.
	I mean, I think that the world is pretty happy with people living inside of the reality of the world, right?
	Where the chick who has scolding burns on the side of her face and her face melted off and her tongue hanging out is probably $69.
	Stop the prettle woman.
	You giving Andrew advice is the funniest thing I've seen on this show in months.
	Also, Rachel is a solid seven.
	She gets plus one point for not being this autard, did.
	Yeah, Rachel, I think you're a seven, Rachel.
	You're definitely seven.
	She's so pretty.
	She's a seven.
	Uh-huh.
	And how many of you think you're prettier than she is?
	The truth.
	Like, if I asked you the truth, I think your wife is beautiful.
	Let me just look.
	Hang on.
	Let me ask a different question.
	Let me ask you a different question.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	If any of you right now actually did think in your brain that you were prettier than my wife, would you lie to me?
	No, I wouldn't lie to you.
	You wouldn't?
	No.
	I think your wife is pretty good.
	Are you prettier than my wife?
	No, I think your wife is beautiful.
	I think she's prettier.
	She's got so much.
	What's the question?
	What's the question?
	Because your wife is not a six.
	That's the thing.
	What's the question?
	Tell me what you're saying.
	I already asked you my question.
	I said, what do you think?
	No, no, no.
	I asked you.
	What do you think your wife is?
	I asked you the question.
	You asked me if I think I am more beautiful than your wife.
	And I said, no, your wife is beautiful.
	Does that mean she's prettier than you?
	I think she's beautiful.
	Yes, she's prettier.
	I think that she has so much.
	She's prettier than you.
	Yes.
	She is pretty good.
	Okay, great.
	Is she prettier than the girl next to you?
	That's not for me to say.
	Right, so you would lie, right?
	But you know, how can you rate her?
	My wife is being prettier than you.
	Compared to me, that is how I am rating.
	She's prettier than the wife.
	I am saying compared to me, she is prettier.
	I am doing that comparison and I have the ability and I feel like I have, I can consciously say that, but I'm not going to speak against her.
	But what it tells me is that that means that you can look at other women and assess by your standard if you think they're pretty or not.
	Which means to me that you can do that with the girl next to you.
	And you can compare that girl to my wife too using that same standard.
	And then what do we come up with?
	The truth now.
	What's the truth?
	I think it's about what you like.
	Let's see a big picture of her so that we can actually make an informative.
	You're so full of cope and lying.
	You just.
	Look, I know that's the new internet word is cope, but can you get a new one?
	It's well, what else can I say?
	Like, if you say, well, I can judge that she's prettier than me, but I can't judge that she's prettier than her.
	What would I say to that other than you're full of shit?
	That makes no sense.
	I'd prefer that.
	I'd be like, you're full of shit instead of saying that.
	You're totally full of shit.
	Generational, whatever.
	Be like, you're full of shit.
	I'll be like, all right then.
	You know you are, right?
	Like, and so that's why it's Cope.
	The reason it's Cope is because you know you're not.
	I don't know.
	Let's not use Gen Z whatever lingo.
	It's full of shit.
	You know?
	Wait, wouldn't the lingo for full of shit be millennial?
	And then Cope, wouldn't Cope be more like the new generation lingo?
	I would say Cope would be new generation.
	I would say like full of shit.
	I would say, hang on.
	Lol Paladin's donated $69.
	Asking a woman if she would lie is like asking a used car salesman if he would lie to you while he gives you a 22% interest rate loan.
	You think you're being kind, but your dishonesty isn't kind.
	Let's see a picture of her so that we can be honest.
	Like a big picture.
	There is a little picture where the one that pops up earlier.
	It was hard to see.
	I just think, like, the question is subjective.
	Legat underscore Lanius underscore Jr. donated $69.
	Ladies, the easy answer here is this.
	Yes, Andrew, you are right here.
	I just don't want to hurt their feelings.
	The fact that you don't see this is because you have too much pride to admit he's right.
	Yeah, I mean, listen, I'm going to actually agree with the chatter here.
	I have to.
	I said, I don't want to.
	I know from talking, basically, everyone, like, if I was having a private conversation with you and I was like, oh, God, that chick is ugly.
	You'd be like, yeah, she gross.
	But, but when asked here, right, in person, and you have to actually say that shit out loud, you're like, no, hell no, I'm not doing that.
	Even though you do think it, and we all know you think it, and that's why we know you're all full of shit, right?
	That's why we know.
	And I understand what you're going to say, Red.
	I just want to make sure I got this right.
	You're going to say it's all subjective.
	No, I'm just saying I wouldn't want to hurt anyone's feelings because that's not part of who I am.
	And I'm not going to sit here and be like, she's my type.
	not my type.
	She's my type.
	She's my type.
	I'm not going to go to the bathroom.
	Why would it hurt their feelings?
	I'll do it.
	I'll do it.
	If we're just looking for someone to be honest so that the argument isn't you're all full of shit, I'll do it.
	I think Morgan and Maddie are the prettiest at the table.
	Ivan Jr. donated $69.
	Thank you.
	If this logic was true, marriage would be more successful.
	Birth rates would be on the rise.
	It should be very easy for me to take any of you out and get married.
	We're all tens, so a proposal is easy.
	Okay.
	Was that a question?
	So.
	Yeah, we're still waiting for you to give your ratings, Sam.
	Oh, I said Morgan and Maddie.
	I got to give the ratings around the room for the girls.
	Oh, you want me to give ratings for one around the room?
	Yeah.
	Okay, well, I'm not a dude, but if I were selecting for my clients, probably a six, a seven point five as well.
	You can't use seven, can't use seven.
	Not at all, not even percentages?
	Not a seven, can't use a seven.
	You can use one through ten, except seven.
	Why, though?
	But why?
	We could use seven.
	Because then we know which way you actually lean.
	Well, I think she has an amazing body.
	I do.
	And I do think she has a beautiful face, beautiful eyes.
	I get it.
	Leaning towards eight?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Yes.
	So then eight.
	Six.
	Eight.
	Six.
	Six, eight.
	So why do you think it is?
	Let me ask a different question.
	When they say that they think that they're tens, do you think they're being honest?
	No, I think they could be tens, some of them, but I don't think they're being.
	I think that it is a beautiful theory to live in.
	But again, theory isn't practice.
	So they might think that there's tens, but the proof, if I had to, if we had to sit down and look at the evidence, it's probably not showing that they are.
	Yeah, so why do you think they rate themselves that way?
	I don't know.
	I don't want to speak for them.
	Yeah, but why do you think what, I mean, not just them specifically, but why do you think women rate themselves as 10 when they're obviously not?
	To feel better about themselves.
	To feel better about themselves, for sure.
	Yeah, so would you call that culture?
	Reality donated safety isn't that what that would mean.
	Are you a 10 at basketball?
	Are you a 10 at cooking?
	Are you a 10 at doing your makeup?
	Where do we draw the line in insisting that everyone must be a 10 at everything?
	Yeah, I think it's to piggyback on what Maddie said.
	I think it's because they want to feel better.
	But I think that they could be tens if they did certain things.
	But a lot of people, and I'm not necessarily speaking about them, but a lot of people want to believe that they're better than they are because the work it would take to close the gap between where they actually are and where they want to be is a lot for a lot of people.
	Pretend to be Vivo.
	But also, if you say, if you say something, your brain will do more things to try and prove that you are that.
	So say I wanted to be a 10, and I'm like, I'm a 10, I'm a 10, so I'm going to do things in my power to try and make myself better.
	Rather than me saying, oh, I'm a four, so I'm always just going to be stuck here.
	Why would I want to go backwards when I could work to be better?
	Well, you're not, but you're not stuck as being a four.
	Like, if you can say, like, I want to be a 10, like, for example, if I were doing this, if I were doing this for myself, I would sit down and be like, all right, where's the gap?
	Like, maybe I need to work on my body.
	Like, maybe I need to work out more.
	Maybe I need to like clear my skin.
	Maybe I need to like make my hair healthier.
	Like, I would find the things that would make me a 10.
	I would still feel confident as a six, but I would also know.
	Hilonius.
	Hilonius.
	Sorry, sorry.
	Here's the gap.
	It's kind of like if I want to be a millionaire and I'm not.
	I can tell myself I'm a millionaire, but if I don't take certain actions toward becoming a millionaire, it's not going to happen.
	I mean, I can tell people that.
	I can think it.
	And I get what you're saying.
	Like, brainwash yourself to believing that you are that.
	You have to match it up with action.
	I got to come in here a little bit.
	All right.
	There's like a limitation to what you can achieve with your looks.
	Like you said, well, work on my fitness, work on my skin.
	Like people are going to be hard capped.
	Like your maximum potential, you could be like right now, you're a five.
	I'm not speaking to you, just like a woman could be a five.
	Perhaps her maximum potentials is seven.
	Like, no matter what, I mean, it depends.
	Does she get plastic surgery?
	Because there's also plastic surgery.
	Well, you don't want to hear my take on plastic surgery.
	That shit makes women less attractive.
	Like, that fake titties, that's minus two.
	If you can detect it, what do you mean?
	But if you can't detect, like, what's your favorite?
	Like, if you did have a celebrity crush, who would you choose?
	What woman?
	Just like ideal.
	Kylie Jenner.
	No, no, no.
	But no, no, no.
	I'm saying like, kind of like you were saying earlier, Ryan Reynolds, right?
	He's like the epitome of like handsome family man, whatever.
	Yeah.
	What's your equivalent?
	What's your desert Joe donated $69?
	Saying you're a 10 is telling yourself you are perfect, which would imply there is nothing to improve.
	This is just being delusional.
	Rating yourself honestly will drive you to want to improve.
	So, yo, Desert Joe, thank you for that, man.
	So, I mean, to answer your question, we were talking about plastic surgery and like the detectability of the fake titties.
	First off, I have an excellent fake titty radar.
	Just letting you know.
	Really, I know.
	Five seconds, I've already.
	You could be wearing a turtleneck and I know if you got fake titties.
	Okay?
	Just saying.
	So, because you're saying, like, yeah, she's a seven, but then she gets fake titties.
	Now she's a nine.
	No, no, not fake titties.
	Like, what?
	No.
	There's so many other surgeries other than fake titties.
	Oh, yeah.
	I'm saying, like, what's a prototype of a woman that you consider attractive?
	A famous one.
	That way we all know who we're talking about.
	I'll give you something.
	Local Kaladin's donated $69.
	If I lost 50 pounds, I'd be eight because I've been there in the past.
	But I'm not there now.
	The question is important because we are trying to see if you are, Delulu.
	We aren't asking your potential.
	And that's where I think the last TTS was important because it's like, and this is, I think of it in the fitness aspect of things.
	It's like, if you say you're a 10, you feel as though that you are at your max potential.
	But if you say you're a six, you understand that there's area for improvement.
	So you're being honest with yourself that there's an area for you to improve upon, which then motivates you to improve upon it.
	So like when I was an amateur competitor, I didn't walk around saying I'm a pro.
	I walked around saying I want to be a pro.
	So then I sat and reflected on what is it going to take for me to turn pro.
	And then I started implementing the things and then became a pro.
	That's a little bit more attainable of a goal.
	That's weird, right?
	Because wouldn't see, I don't even understand that.
	So even inside of that world, the world of weightlifting and this type of competition, you can still max out your potential for what you can do with your body.
	I just finished this sentence.
	Okay, are we back?
	Yeah.
	We're back.
	Okay.
	What I was asking is, couldn't you max out your potential and still be ugly as sin?
	But you're, so that's a in the bodybuilding world, you're still judged on your physique, not the way your face looks.
	Yeah, but that's not really alluding to the question, right?
	No.
	I don't know if you're not sure.
	Yeah, so I'm also agreeing with you.
	So I don't think you actually heard what I said.
	My point was that there's always room for improvement.
	So if you understand and you meet yourself where you're currently at, you understand that there's area for improvement.
	So if you understand that you're only a four or you're a five, there's things that you need to improve on.
	So like for me, as an amateur competitor, you're making the comparison for how you would perceive that through physique.
	I understand what you're saying now.
	All right.
	But so now that we've got that settled, do you think that there are at least some types of objective standards that people hold kind of across the board?
	Not every human being, right?
	Obviously, there's weirdos out there, but generally that people hold that can be agreed on when it comes to beauty standards.
	100%.
	Yeah.
	So then if you were to go back around the room and you were to rate, how would you rate them?
	I would say eight, six, six, eight, six, six, eight.
	Since seven's not a thing.
	So why?
	So why do you think?
	Why do you think that women are rating themselves a 10?
	I agree to feel better about themselves, to boost their confidence, boost the way that they view themselves because they want to feel better about themselves.
	So they're going to say they're a 10 so they feel like a 10.
	Isn't that kind of delusional?
	I guess it's perception, yeah.
	And why should anyone else's opinion matter?
	If I'm a 10, I can also be striving for improvement, but then you're not a 10.
	Yeah, I can be a 10 and still working on things.
	How can you be perfect, but then need more, more perfect?
	You can get even more perfect.
	You can achieve super sei in 10.
	How can you be perfect and then be more perfect than perfect?
	The scale can grow.
	How about that?
	But I'm just saying, you can be 10 and you can still work on yourself and you can still grow from there.
	And why should anyone else's opinion matter?
	You're going to be.
	Okay, so let's assume that 10 is the highest number in the world.
	There's no number mathematically which is higher than the number 10.
	How can you then be a 10.5 or a 10.2?
	That's your reality and my reality is different.
	I broke my scale.
	No one ever did be a man.
	Women crushed winning.
	Would you like me to rate you?
	Right.
	So, I mean, so wait.
	So if we're living in different realities, right?
	Either neither of the realities are true or only one of them is, right?
	I can live in my reality.
	I'm living in my reality right now.
	You're living in yours.
	You're in a small square box in my reality.
	In your reality, I'm on your computer screen.
	That is.
	In a small square box, yeah.
	Yeah.
	Thank you.
	So we're both in the same reality.
	Right.
	Except one of us is able to still do ratings in this reality that are realistic and the other one isn't, which is really weird.
	It's like one of us lives in a real reality and the other one lives in a delusional place.
	Ivan Jr. donated $69 from a man.
	Let's cut the BS starting from the right.
	6, 5, 5, 4, 4, 6, 5, 5, 7.
	Maddie is the most beautiful.
	If you're a 10, you should be getting paid from advertising companies or married being so high value.
	Wait, starting from the right?
	Yeah, I think a lot of women at this table get paid and might be married.
	I actually fill both of those boxes.
	Wait, so hold on.
	Me and her, we're having a bit of an exchange while we continue there.
	So you're asking me to name like a woman who I think is attractive.
	Like you're a prototype of the idea.
	Here's the thing: it's hard for me to think of like an actual celebrity or famous person that I could just throw out there that I think is a 10, but I can tell you a woman who I think is pretty, pretty darn attractive.
	Nick, why don't you Google Kristen Krueck?
	Young, I guess.
	She'd be in her 40s now, but you know, she's still like, she's still babe status, but like more mature babe status, like you know, like wrinkle babe status.
	But she's like somewhat famous.
	Like if I if we searched pictures of her when she was younger, could we find any?
	She's probably like C-list.
	Oh.
	Let me Google this.
	Let me say Kristen Kruik.
	Before and after.
	Google that.
	Before and after.
	I'm saying young Kristen Kruik.
	She doesn't have any plastic screen.
	Go ahead.
	Oh, okay.
	She definitely doesn't have any.
	No classic.
	As far as I know, go ahead.
	Is there before and afters?
	Let's scroll down.
	Yeah, she's really good.
	Look at Maddie.
	She's beautiful.
	Hold on.
	Wait, so what do you rate her?
	Like, there's young Kristen Kruik and then there's.
	I'm an old lady.
	She's still.
	Bro, I'd still.
	Wait.
	Can we just, for the sake of fun, research, like, right?
	Hold on.
	Click.
	What about the one in the middle there with the red?
	Yeah, that's really pretty.
	It's a good picture.
	Yeah, she's.
	Not a 10?
	Did you, Desmond?
	Did you call her mid?
	She's calling me.
	Let's underscore Lanius underscore Junior donated.
	Desmond's calling her mid, bro.
	Ladies, even your men.
	Grandmothers and great-grandmothers would have said they were not tens.
	If you want to honor their legacy and embody true, actual confidence, just be a proud seven and move on.
	We're not allowed to get away from the children.
	Can't wait seven.
	No, my mother's a ten.
	Wait, but you don't think she's a ten?
	The one that you just showed us?
	She's not your prototype of the ideal beauty?
	She's very beautiful and attractive.
	I don't know.
	She's maybe not a 10, but she's a very attractive woman.
	She's a very attractive woman.
	What's a 10?
	No, bro.
	You ain't seen that girl walking around in Isla Vista.
	No, you're in Santa Barbara.
	You're not.
	Bro.
	Okay, well, just remember that.
	She did kind of look a little average to me.
	Shut up.
	Listen, shut the fuck up, Andrew.
	Andrew doesn't like Asian women.
	That's the thing.
	That's true.
	I don't.
	But, well, what was I saying?
	She's attractive.
	You know what?
	I need to be prepared for this.
	If you had it all your way, if you had it all your way, perfect personality, you get to pick exactly what she looks like.
	What is a celebrity that you'd want her to very closely resemble?
	Lol Paladins donated $69.
	No, Scarlett Johansson in her prime, red dress, red colour.
	I don't honestly do care about celebrities, so I can't think of one that I'm like, there's probably just some like random chick.
	Megan Fox, Angelina Jolie?
	No, not Angelina.
	Jessica Alba.
	Just Galba.
	Blake Lively.
	Jessica Calva's attractive.
	For sure.
	Scarjo, attractive.
	I love her.
	But I can't think of one where I'm like, God, like, damn.
	God damn.
	You ever see.
	No, there's not like a celebrity where I'm like, holy fuck.
	None?
	No, I can't.
	Andrew, what are you saying?
	What about you?
	It's probably some like random chick.
	Right, what about Instagram?
	Yeah, or Instagram.
	IG model.
	Trying to scale up.
	Those are harder to find before.
	There's like a celebrity that I can think of off the top of my head.
	You know that chick from Vikings who was Ragnar's wife in the first season?
	Nope.
	No.
	Don't know her.
	What's the name?
	We don't know.
	I can't think of her name.
	I don't remember.
	What's her name?
	Jessica Beale, youngest.
	Okay, Jessica Beal.
	Like, pretty close.
	Pretty close.
	So let's.
	Young Jessica Beale's pretty close.
	She used to take Justin Timberlake, right?
	Yeah.
	Rip.
	Or once they married.
	Wait, what's that, Nick?
	I guess her name is.
	Is it Richard Bardeau?
	Is that her name?
	Let's pull up Jessica Biel.
	Can we write before and after plastic surgery?
	Young Jessica Beale.
	Is that?
	Yeah, the chick who played Waggerbox.
	That's the chick.
	Yeah.
	That's totally it.
	She looks like a girl.
	Yeah.
	I think the other girls were.
	Scroll down.
	Yeah, see, I mean, come on, bruv.
	But I mean, I don't know.
	Without makeup, who knows?
	Who knows what any, who knows what the truth is.
	I think the other girl's more attractive than her.
	No, I think, I do think Kristen Krueg is more attractive than Jessica Beale.
	From my own personal preference.
	And you think that a woman who's done plastic surgery couldn't look like that?
	Wait, what?
	Do you think that a woman who's done plastic surgery could look like Kristen?
	I feel like all plastic surgery looks the same.
	It does.
	It depends on the surgeon.
	By the way, I'm only sharing this because I want to educate men because I think that part of the pedestal is, oh, she's just naturally a 10, but it's not true.
	Like, I actually feel bad for, not anymore, because now there's looks maxing, and now men are starting to catch on to ways that they can become more attractive.
	But I think that before that, like, women had the leverage because they could get away with doing all the surgery, and they could look like a 10, but she necessarily wasn't born that way.
	Hey, Brian, try it out.
	And what looks natural isn't always natural.
	Catherine Winnick, try that.
	Pull that one up.
	Catherine Winnick.
	Yeah.
	I don't know.
	I feel like I've just seen on social media.
	I've seen so many girls that look exactly like Kim Kurdash.
	Totally.
	I know exactly what you're talking about.
	It's the IG model look.
	Like the over-big lips, the too small nose, the eyes that go up.
	I like brunettes.
	Okay.
	I like brunettes.
	Get these blondes out of here.
	Andrew, you have a type.
	Yeah, she, yeah.
	Yes, I have a type.
	Wait, wait, wait.
	Hold on.
	We saw a picture of your wife.
	Get these blondes out of my sight, Andrew.
	Okay, I'm just kidding.
	I don't know.
	Oh, that's the Vikings girl who you're talking about.
	That was the Vikings girl.
	Wait, so we're talking about plastic surgery, right?
	And I said something about fake plastics.
	Fake titties.
	Fake titties.
	What's that have to do with facial attractions?
	Well, because are you against all plastic surgery or just porn star-looking boobies?
	I'm against most plastic surgery.
	And I'll tell you, huh?
	What's changed your mind?
	Well, I feel like you used to be against all.
	I mean, there's different degree, like there's different degrees to the invasiveness of the procedure.
	For example, like implants is more invasive than like a rhinoplasty, you know?
	So like some forehead Botox.
	Like you're cool with that?
	No, I mean, I'd prefer.
	Look, I'm a natural Bonnie supremacist.
	Why is my chat saying that you – wait.
	Why is my chat saying that you said ew when you pulled up Catherine Winnick?
	I did see.
	I did.
	It wasn't.
	She's an attractive woman.
	It's just, don't show me.
	I said the blonde hair.
	Can't do the blonde hair.
	I can't do the blonde.
	The second girl you said had blonde hair too, right?
	Jessica Beale?
	She's kind of like, I don't know what her actual hair color is, whatever.
	Anyways, in any case, I am a natural body supremacist, so I'd okay.
	I'd rather a girl have no boobs, flat, totally flat versus some perfect versus perfect fake titties.
	Flat.
	I'd prefer that.
	I'd prefer a little belly fat over lipo.
	I'd prefer like no, no booty over BBL.
	Yeah.
	I'd prefer, what's the other one?
	Oh, small upper lip over lip filler.
	Like, so for me, I don't think any of those procedures, like, you can take any woman who's had any of those procedures, and I would prefer their state as it was prior to the surgery.
	I like it.
	Nuanced.
	Is it?
	It is nuanced.
	No, it's very black and white.
	Well, I know, but you said you were all cool with rhinoplasties, which I thought was pretty nuanced.
	Well, I'm saying that rhinoplasties are less invasive than implants.
	Invasive, invasive, you mean like the surgery or invasive?
	Like, how do you mean by invasive?
	Like, it's, well, I mean, in terms of so you're saying it's like removing some of the cartilage in the nose, right?
	I mean, we're talking about millimeters of difference.
	Whereas, like, fake boobs, it's something that's actually implanted in you.
	Look, I'm not making the case that like it's it's very different too, because the difference here is that with implants that look that looks like fake, but like a woman who has a rhinoplasty, you can't like it could look as if like totally normal.
	Does that make sense?
	Yeah, it sounds like it sounds like what you're saying is you don't like a woman who looks like she's gotten work done.
	You don't like the look of I have work done.
	Well, I also say that she totally passes.
	Like, I can't, maybe the BBL is really good.
	I ain't never seen a good BBL, but okay, the BBL is good, the lipo is good.
	There's always something a little weird in the stomach with the lipo.
	Fake titties, I mean, that's pretty.
	I'm like 90.
	I'm 99% out of 100 on guessing.
	You know, like I said, turtleneck, I can still tell if the titty's fake.
	While paladins donated $69, when I was in the F-Force, a girl got her chin job paid for by the military.
	She just ended up looking more like a guy.
	It was such a bad choice.
	Now, the other thing with this is: thank you, Paladins.
	So, in addition to, I think I was making the point of even if she's passing, the other concern there is what's going on in her mind.
	So, it's not just like for me, it's not just about her physical appearance, although that's a component.
	And frankly, like I said, I think typically plastic surgery tends to, in my view, people have different aesthetics.
	I think it makes them look worse.
	Fake titties look worse, even if they had no boobs.
	BBL looks worse.
	Lipo belly looks worse than low belly fat.
	Trying to think what else.
	Lip filler, prefer the small upper lip over the fake, the weird duck puffy thing that ends up happening.
	And there's always this little weird line that is just perma there.
	I think after I don't know.
	It's like migration, yeah.
	Yeah, so, but it's also like I think it's a negative mark against them for what's going on in their head, too.
	So, apart from just the aesthetic thing, I'm like, okay, is she mentally ill?
	Does she have body dysphoria?
	It's proxy.
	It's maybe somebody who gets plastic, like who gets plastic surgery, it can be proxy for, it almost certainly is proxy for insecurity.
	And the greater manifestation of that, it's proxy for mental illness.
	Potentially, for sure, but what if it's um, and I'm not advocating for or against plastic surgery, but what if she acknowledges that she's a six, but she really wants to be a nine because she knows that being a nine comes with certain perks that being a six doesn't.
	And she's like, Well, if I can just go get this nose job and maybe a little bit of lip filler, I could be seen as closer to a nine.
	Yeah, the nose jobs are interesting ones because actually, Elon Musk on Twitter today, Nick, can you uh maybe try to find it?
	There, there was uh these three sisters.
	You can probably Google three sisters, get nose job, same time.
	I saw my feet on Twitter, and I do actually think when it comes to the rhinoplasty, that that is the one where like it actually can objectively.
	This is the one procedure that I actually tend to grant.
	Actually does tend to objectively make people look bigger.
	And I say this as somebody who's got a big nose.
	I got a big nose.
	And what the, why are you playing Mambo number five, bro?
	Great song.
	I think that is the clip, though, Nick, if you can pull it up.
	So Elon Musk replied to this.
	And there's still, look, there's still attractive women, but I mean, and also it's not, I hate these.
	I don't like these noses.
	Except the last one.
	I mean, they're too dumb looking.
	Also, some fucking hate, these before and afters where the lighting's totally different, their hair is different.
	They're wearing full makeup.
	The background's different.
	For a before and after to really make sense, you have to make everything as much the same.
	Lighting, background.
	You can't like, so it's not fair that she dyed her hair differently, whatever.
	But I do actually think it does objectively make somebody more attractive.
	Definitely.
	For the rhinoplasty.
	All that other shit that I talked about, though, nope.
	And I do think to your point earlier that there is a limit, like to which one can optimize their looks.
	Like if two people have the same, or if two people have different, like if you have a woman who's born naturally beautiful, she's always, she's more likely to be more beautiful when she gets work done than the girl who was born ugly and gets work done.
	Like there's a limit.
	There's a cap at how much you can max, if that makes sense.
	Wait, so what are we arguing about?
	You were saying earlier that there's a limit.
	Like there's only so much that you can optimize your looks.
	She's agreeing with you.
	I'm agreeing.
	Oh.
	Because I was just making the argument that it's like, it's kind of mental illness.
	Or it's to improve income.
	Yeah, I mean, yeah, I suppose.
	But I'm looking at it from the dating lens.
	I think it's a spectrum.
	If she is very far on the spectrum where she's getting everything done and she's looking like what, kind of like what you were saying earlier, like the over-exaggerated IG model, then yeah, I would probably assume that there's insecurity.
	I also just think it's deceptive too.
	Like, especially if you don't disclose that to a partner, it's like one of the reasons we're attracted to somebody who's good looking and attractive is because, and this isn't always, I mean, it can be on the intellectual level, but it's also like, okay, this, I'll have attractive kids.
	That's one of the components there.
	So if you've like just totally, you know, blasted in plastic surgery, you've totally altered your appearance.
	It's like.
	I think that goes for facial reconstruction.
	I don't think that goes for like implants personally.
	Yeah, not necessarily.
	Like, that's like if I walk around in heels and someone thinks I'm six foot because I've got heels on, but then I take my heels off and I'm five foot.
	It's like, clearly you can tell that I have implants.
	So it's like, obviously, you know, looking at someone like, okay, yeah, you have implants, but I had to get implants, but my sister has natural breasts.
	But that doesn't mean that I'm going to have a child that has the ability to have, you know what I'm saying?
	Well, this would refer a little bit more to facial alterations.
	Yeah.
	Although, I mean, in terms of the attraction trigger that it's going to cause in men, if he can't immediately determine that you have fake breasts or you have a BBL, for example, I mean, the reality is men are generally attracted to large breasts.
	They're attracted to big butts.
	And so you are kind of like playing on that sort of instinctual trigger inside of men, like an attraction trigger.
	But if, so it's like if someone thinks that's to say that someone is getting that to impress someone else as opposed to getting it done for themselves.
	You know what I mean?
	So it's like I didn't think I was a two before I got my boobs done.
	And then that's what made me think I was a six.
	Like, you get what I'm saying?
	It's like, it was for me, not for how I thought someone else was going to view me.
	I feel like it's some ways it can be about how other people view you because ultimately you're comparing yourself to like what girls with big breasts look like.
	And you think those girls are, say, like prettier.
	So you are kind of comparing yourself to someone else in a way.
	I think to make yourself look as beautiful or more beautiful.
	Yeah, it could be an insecure.
	So for me, I know that I had absolutely nothing.
	And when I looked in the mirror, I didn't feel feminine.
	But I knew that the feminine, like, just image, right?
	Hold on.
	Wait, Hold on.
	No, this is, this is, look.
	Hold on.
	Okay.
	I got, you ready for this?
	Everyone's going to hate me after this, but okay.
	You ever seen Greek statues?
	Like of Aphrodite.
	These women ain't got fucking milk jars.
	They don't got milk cannons.
	They've got breasts, though.
	They got rolls.
	They got, bro, they got rolls.
	They got A-cups.
	They do have a lot of stuff.
	They got A-cuffs.
	Do you know what an A-cup looks like?
	Okay, maybe it's a B-cup.
	I don't know.
	have some sort of breasts man they got but they also have so So I'm not, I will say I'm against BBLs because if you can go to the gym and work on it, you can, there's no need to go get it, right?
	So like, I'm very against BBLs.
	I'm very against liposuction, right?
	If you want to lose weight in your stomach, sign up for my personal training.
	If you want to grow your butt, sign up for my personal training.
	I can help you do that.
	If you want boobs, there's literally nothing I can do to help you.
	Just accept it, Sammy.
	You know what I mean?
	Sammy, you just got to accept the small.
	Be part.
	I'm a, you know, I'm.
	Itty-bitty titty committee.
	I'm an ally.
	I'm an ally of the itty-bitty titty committee.
	I'm an ally, okay?
	Yeah, I said that until I got mine done, and then I was so happy.
	I'm just saying, if you're a girl and you got small boobs, just do squats.
	Just do squats.
	Just make up for bigger ass.
	It's all good.
	Girls with small boobs work harder, too.
	When did the idea work ethic is the same?
	When did the idea that big boobs relate to femininity originate for you?
	I just think it was me personally, especially to like the older I got and the more into fitness I got.
	I got more muscular.
	So for my frame, it was just this idea of femininity.
	Like I don't think there was like a pivotal point in my life that I was like, oh, boobs mean feminine.
	I think it was just like the overall like women have breasts, men have chests, like that kind of thing.
	Just like seeing everybody around me, like not even that implants were like a known thing because I didn't grow up, I didn't even grow up in California.
	I grew up on the East Coast.
	I saw a lot of East Coast is natural beauty, right?
	So not a lot of people get plastic surgery there.
	East Coast?
	Yeah.
	Is natural beauty?
	Really?
	East, yeah.
	Compared to it.
	Compared to California.
	Excluding Miami.
	I don't know.
	Don't include Miami in that.
	That's what I'm saying.
	Yeah.
	So like a lot of, I guess, Northeast, right?
	So it's just a lot of like natural beauty.
	Like not a lot of people get plastic surgery.
	How about the Pacific Midwest?
	Like what's going on there?
	I don't know.
	Probably not that much plastic surgery either.
	The Midwest, I'd imagine, doesn't have much either.
	Whatever.
	Do you think if small boobs were celebrated more in the magazines that we consumed or like the Instagram, if women were shown a lot of examples of women with small boobs and they were the beauty standard, do you think that that may have, but I mean, think about it.
	Like when you see, I feel like I guess implants and things like that weren't as common until like more recently, right?
	So like growing up in the early 2000s, like celebrities didn't have implants.
	Like that wasn't super big.
	Like I feel like back in the early 2000s, celebrities embraced, you know, smaller chests and things like that.
	So I think it's just like a personal preference.
	Like a, there was never like a pivotal moment that I was like, wow, big boobs means feminine.
	It was kind of just like for me, for my frame, how I see myself, this is.
	You know what?
	Let's talk about the biggest, the biggest tragedy when it comes to plastic surgery.
	Okay.
	Labia plasty.
	Labia plasty.
	Okay.
	There are 10,000 labia plasties a year in the United States alone.
	Poor women, they've been tricked.
	They've been tricked into thinking that they're not fine, just the way they, you know, they were born.
	And it's upsetting.
	It upsets me as a feminist.
	I'm very upset by this.
	I'm a woman's advocate.
	I'm a woman's advocate.
	$10,000 a year.
	You know, if we were to add that up, if we were to do the math, that's like the chopped up, the chopped off lady bits.
	Ladybids.
	If we were to put them in the line, I could get from here all the way probably to Idaho.
	And that's upsetting.
	Okay, that's a long, that's a very long drive.
	I've done that drive.
	I had to go do multiple break stops when I took that drive.
	Okay, I was very tired.
	My back was aching by the end of it.
	And I'll just say, listen, ladies, if there's any ladies out there with large labia, don't cut it off.
	Okay.
	There are guys, you'll find a guy who will like you just the way you are, just saying, right?
	Good talk.
	Okay.
	I thought you were going to say like death.
	Death?
	What do you mean?
	Like the worst thing about plastic surgery is like.
	Dying.
	Oh, tell us your anecdote, Maddie.
	I have like a family.
	Like I'm like, I didn't used to be like super against plastic surgery, but I had a family member who like passed away from being under anesthesia and just like, yeah, because of plastic surgery.
	And that's why I'm like mostly against it because it's just dangerous.
	It's dangerous.
	I think if men were completely erased off the planet, women would stop.
	Not that I want that to happen.
	I'm just saying, if there were no men, I think plastic surgeons would go out of business very fast.
	Wait, hold on.
	And that's not a criticism to men.
	Wait, but that's not my argument.
	That's not my argument.
	My argument is that at least a very big reason why a lot of women get plastic surgery is to be more attractive to men.
	It's to increase their mating value score.
	It's true.
	Probably.
	Definitely.
	And I think that if men were to disappear, I mean, it's kind of like when you go to a woman's sleepover and everyone's like in their pajamas and no one cares how they look because there's no one, there's no, but then if a hot guy steps into the room, all of a sudden everyone's taking their hair out.
	I mean, I hear the exact opposite argument from women that they're like wearing makeup for other chicks.
	Yeah, maybe makeup, but like what about the y'all can be fake nails?
	Yeah.
	Well, these are my nails, but yeah, they're done.
	You get them done.
	Yeah.
	What about you?
	Those fake nails.
	Don't look at that one, buddy.
	Don't look at that one.
	I've been staring at it all night.
	You gotta get that fixed.
	Okay, well, nails.
	They're natural.
	They're just painted.
	You think guys.
	I feel like, do you think guys are like, wow.
	In certain countries, in certain countries, yeah.
	Their back gets scratched.
	Yeah, they do.
	Yeah, but you can just do that with like natural nails.
	Lebanese guys love women getting their nails done.
	But yes, if we're talking about like the Western world, if a girl is extremely attractive, no one's going to stop her at her nails.
	Most men are not going to stop her at her nails.
	I was about to, I was going to go for it, but I saw that her nails weren't like her nails weren't done.
	It's a wrap.
	It's a standard.
	It's a wrap.
	Wait.
	Going back to you.
	Okay.
	You said something interesting when I think you were talking to Andrew about you don't think when it comes to the 10 thing, you don't make any determinations when it comes to looks?
	No, I told him I don't have a preference.
	You have no preferences with looks?
	No, I don't.
	You have no preferences with looks.
	It's true.
	So you would date Brian?
	What personality was?
	Now that I've gotten to know him, that's different.
	If he came up to you and said, oh, can I get your number?
	You would say yeah.
	Maybe if he approached me that way, I probably wouldn't, but based off the looks, then I wouldn't disagree with him.
	In a perfect situation, if he approached you and was like, hey, my name is Brian.
	Would like to take you out.
	Here's my number.
	Can I have your number?
	Yeah.
	I'm confused.
	I'm still confused.
	Were you not paying attention?
	No, I was paying attention, but she said yes if he approached her the right way.
	Yeah.
	But how's that related to looks?
	It's not.
	It's not.
	That's the point.
	She just said, like.
	She's basically saying she would determine.
	She doesn't look at looks.
	would determine by the way someone approaches her so i think everybody's attractive but just because you're attractive doesn't mean you get a date or a number Everybody, you think everyone's attractive?
	Yeah.
	What?
	It's true.
	This sounds like some kumbaya bullshit to me.
	It's not.
	Every.
	Oh my.
	So you don't think there's objective beauty?
	I'm sure there is.
	There's, you know, there's beauty standards.
	There's, you know, stuff like that.
	But I just, I just don't agree with that.
	Do you have a celebrity crush?
	Um, I don't think so.
	I don't like celebrities or puts.
	Would you rather date an obese guy or like an athletic guy?
	Well, that's different because that's a health issue.
	Of course, I don't want to date somebody who isn't healthy and, you know, that's totally different.
	But I don't think he's ugly.
	He probably has a beautiful face, but ignoring the health implications of obesity, which one do you find more aesthetically pleasing?
	If we're talking aesthetic, then that's not wrong.
	Devon Jackson donated $69.
	I believe her on the looks thing about as much as I believe her on the waiting till marriage thing, which is to say, I don't.
	Boom, we're rested.
	So you were about to say, go ahead.
	I forgot what the question is.
	You were about to say that you don't care about looks or something?
	Yeah, I don't.
	I mean, I think everybody is attractive, but that doesn't mean just because you're attractive, you get a date or you get a number.
	Okay, so I asked you just on aesthetics.
	You're about to say something about aesthetics.
	I don't have an aesthetic.
	I don't have an aesthetic preference, so I don't think that really matters to me personally.
	Nick, could you pull up that true rate me thing?
	Do you know what I'm talking about?
	Do you know where to find it?
	No, actually, I don't.
	Okay, I think it's in the Dropbox folder.
	I'm pretty sure.
	But I'm not.
	Should I look out here?
	Hold on.
	One sec.
	Is it in the Dropbox folder?
	I don't know where it is, dude.
	It might be infographics, possibly.
	Yeah, I'll work on it.
	If you can work on it, but okay, so looks-I just, it's hard for me to believe that looks don't matter at all.
	Has that always been the case for you, or only after you became more religious?
	No, I think it's always been the case.
	You wouldn't mind if your kids were ugly.
	Why would my kids be ugly?
	Because you dated an ugly person because looks don't matter.
	No, just because you think somebody is ugly doesn't mean I would think they're ugly.
	I thought both looks don't matter.
	What if you both agreed?
	Well, you said you don't make, well, you can't make any determinations to ugliness, right?
	Because you think everyone's attractive.
	Right.
	So there would be no point of contention over who's ugly.
	Well, she could think somebody's ugly, but you would just default to everybody's attractive.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Have you found it, Nick?
	Yeah, I found myself a poem on.
	I just want the guys.
	I don't want the girls.
	Do you have the guys?
	Yeah, I think so.
	All right, so we're going to have you look at some photos here, and we're going to just ask kind of your opinion.
	Can you get it pulled up, please?
	Yeah, you want to start at the top.
	Yes, at the top, please.
	All right.
	Make it a little bigger, please.
	These guys look the same.
	Bigger, bigger.
	I'm trying.
	It's not working.
	I think it's max.
	Oh, okay.
	Wait, show me the cursor over there.
	Are these kids models or celebrities?
	Some of them are actors.
	Just click.
	Okay, now you should be able to mouse wheel out.
	That's a little bit.
	Mouse wheel out.
	More.
	Sure.
	Maybe a little bigger.
	Scroll down a little bit.
	All right, so you might disagree with specific placements of some of these men, but Francisco Lachowski, that's one that I tend to often show individually.
	Nick, how long has Big Labia Matter been up?
	How long have you had that?
	Okay.
	Go ahead.
	Scroll down.
	Okay.
	Keep going.
	Just scroll down.
	You know what?
	Just scroll all the way down to the bottom.
	All the way.
	Immediately down to the bottom.
	Scroll back up a little bit.
	Okay.
	So no differentiation between the men at the bottom and the men at the very top.
	No, because Law Paladins donated $69.
	Rachel Wilson, 7 out of 10.
	Rachel Wilson's sandwiches, 10 out of 10.
	This woman is like when you ask if she cares about height, they always say no.
	But then you find out her boyfriend is 6 feet 2.
	Uh, what?
	Your assumption is wrong.
	Okay, thank you, Law Paladins.
	Thank you.
	Thank you, thank you.
	I just showed you the thing, what you were about to say.
	Go ahead.
	Well, I think that was pretty.
	I don't know.
	I do think everybody on there is attractive.
	Obviously, the ones at the top had some work done and are like the, I don't know, they definitely looked a little too plastic.
	They looked even AI to me.
	And the guys at the bottom obviously looked, you know, like they've been in an accident or, you know, there was some like deformation within the birth or something like that.
	So, but that doesn't, I don't, I don't see that as ugly and I don't see them as good looking, attractive.
	Do you see it as less attractive than the guys at the top?
	Definitely not.
	What?
	Girly.
	Hold on.
	Okay, bring it back.
	Scroll it up to the top.
	Don't show us the bottom.
	Okay.
	Just show us from 10 to 8.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Now just bring us to five.
	Uh, where?
	Okay, Jonah Hill.
	So, note you can't make any differentiation here, any discernment here between the men at the top and the men who are average?
	No.
	Can I ask a question?
	Can I ask it?
	May I ask a question to you?
	Reason with somebody like this.
	How do you define your personal style?
	Like how you dress?
	But she's also a 10.
	No, she's like.
	My personal style, I don't know.
	Like, how do you choose clothing that you buy?
	Like, for example, the dress you're wearing?
	I guess it depends on the occasion and I don't know.
	But do you find casual, comfortable?
	I don't know what you're.
	Well, I'm just saying, like, if you were in a store and you had to pick because you couldn't buy everything in the store, would you be would you gravitate towards certain items of clothing over others?
	Yes, definitely.
	Why?
	Like, because you think they're prettier than others?
	Maybe?
	No, it's like saying, I guess it's just what fits me.
	Like, obviously, I'm going to choose a t-shirt over a crop top or, you know, stuff like that.
	Wait, question.
	Okay, question.
	Hold on.
	So, do you think that being attractive confers benefits in life?
	Yeah, of course.
	Okay, so if you're physically good-looking, maybe it means you'll get treated better by people.
	You will have better dating prospects.
	You might have opportunities financially or with a job that you wouldn't otherwise have.
	Even in jobs that have really nothing to do with the physical appearance, they've actually found that, for example, in business, CEOs or, you know, whatever, in corporations, people who are better looking tend to be promoted more frequently at more regular intervals, get more raises, etc.
	Yeah, I guess so.
	Okay, so knowing that, and you do agree though, that being physically attractive confers certain benefits?
	Um yes.
	In life.
	Then there's no reason to attract.
	Okay, so maybe you aren't able on your own level, you're not able to make determinations as to any given person's attractiveness.
	But do you acknowledge that some people are more attractive than others or no?
	Well, here we have a beauty standard.
	And so yes, by that beauty standard, yes, I agree.
	Okay, so even on your own personal level, knowing that you don't make any discernments when it comes to physical attractiveness, you don't factor it in in terms of who you would date.
	Wouldn't you want to have kids?
	Of course.
	Okay.
	And would you agree that you'd want to confer as many benefits to your children as possible?
	No.
	Well, not in, I mean, of course, but not in the terms of like how they look physically.
	That's.
	But even knowing that being physically attractive confers benefits throughout life, you wouldn't want to confer that benefit onto your children.
	By, for example, choosing to partner with and marry and have children with somebody who's physically attractive.
	No, I would rather choose someone who's less physically attractive and, you know, whatever standards you're referring to.
	And a good person.
	Yeah.
	Let's assume the good-looking person's also a good person.
	Then that doesn't matter.
	Then I'm not looking at their physical.
	Then he's a good person.
	Of course, I'm going to pick that person.
	Well, what if you had a choice between two people who are both good people?
	One was more physically attractive.
	Or you would just, you wouldn't be able to even discern.
	Yeah.
	You just, you're looking at two people, you wouldn't even be able to determine which one's more physically attractive.
	Yeah, because I would go into, I would think about why, why do I determine this person as more attractive depend on what scale?
	And, you know, like the objective beauty scale, I guess.
	Then I'd rather not.
	All paladins donated $500.
	Okay, they want you muted.
	She decided to triple down rather than admit she was lying.
	Would rather you talk about literally any other topic.
	Yeah, we'll move it on.
	I'm not really sure what angle, how to exactly approach this.
	Let me ask you one more question, though, right before we mute it.
	So is it because you don't want to, like, is this actually how you think, or you just don't want to admit on the podcast that, like, because you feel it would be mean or insensitive, or it wouldn't be nice to actually admit that there are differences in physical appearance?
	I think there are differences, but again, I think that's on like a beauty standard that I don't go with.
	Okay, so he did want to mute you.
	Okay, we're going to mute you.
	I guess just my whole thing is, like, looking at those guys who are at the top of that, the photos or whatever, and then the guys who are in the middle at the five or four, or even the guys at the very bottom.
	I mean, I question your ability to make logical and reasonable decisions if presented with like the genetic gift that some of those men would be able to confer to your children.
	Leaving aside just strictly your own selfish reasons for like what you find aesthetically pleasing, like you saying that I would just as quickly pick one of those men at the very bottom over the men at the top is just to me is like crazy.
	I think that's a little shabby then.
	Well, but you have like you have makeup on, right?
	And regardless of how anyone here feels about makeup, makeup was designed to make women look more visually appealing to men.
	Like it's blush is how a woman looks when she is flushed and fertile and healthy.
	Like full eyebrows are a mark of youth.
	And same thing, full hair, same thing.
	Like all of makeup is designed to make you look more fertile, more youthful, more beautiful.
	And you're participating in makeup.
	So whether you can admit it or not, on some level, you conform to a universal beauty standard.
	Well, no, I don't.
	I'm sorry.
	I'm sorry.
	I do have to honor.
	I have to honor the mute.
	I do have to honor the mute.
	So we're going to move it on.
	We'll go for a little bit longer, and I think we're going to try to wrap pretty soon.
	But any topics any of y'all want to hit on here?
	Andrew, you got anything you want to hit on?
	Besides Kiki?
	You leave Kiki out of this.
	Oh, okay.
	What are you eating?
	What are you eating, man?
	Just some potato chips.
	Tuna sandwich.
	Fuck.
	Madison, what you got for us?
	I know you got something.
	Who the hell eats tuna?
	Go ahead, Maddie.
	What you got for me?
	It's not even real anymore, either.
	It's not even real tuna.
	What you got for us, Maddie?
	Didn't we talk about things right before we started the show that we wanted to talk about?
	No, I think you have something.
	I think you have something, Maddie.
	Oh, okay.
	I guess I'll ask my question that I always ask.
	Do you guys think that body count matters?
	Or would you object to a man caring about your body count?
	I don't think body count matters.
	And I mean, if someone has a preference, that's their preference.
	If I don't fit their preference, then that's fine.
	I think everyone's allowed to have their own preference on, I think, anything, right?
	Looks, how someone carries themselves as a standard, right?
	So if you're okay with being someone with someone who has a lower or higher body count, then that's fine.
	I think everyone's entitled to their own preference in terms of appearance and standards and things like that.
	I agree with you.
	Jay Eken donated $69.
	To quote the great Andrew Wilson, let us assume for a second, does sending a TTS make me a simping pay pig?
	Hanick stares at Nick.
	Okay, I'm off for my vibrational journey to ST Baptist Church.
	Yo, Jay Eken, thank you, man.
	Appreciate it.
	Good to see you in the chat, man.
	It's Jay Eakin.
	Jay Eakin?
	Did I s- Okay, I guess I scuffed it.
	I'm trying to think what else there is.
	Hold on, guys.
	How about my business here at kind of your business?
	Uh-oh.
	Old man Maureen donated $69.
	Your delusion makes you sound stupid and you're less attractive for it.
	Quit being stupid, UFing moron.
	Jeez.
	Angry man.
	Yo, what's up, Maureen?
	Thank you, man.
	Appreciate it.
	Go ahead, Andrew.
	His mic's not working.
	Can't hear you.
	Mike's off.
	Andrew, can't hear you, man.
	Mic's off.
	Wait, I don't know why the mic keeps on getting shut off, but it says that you're a thought leader dropping truth bombs about modern dating.
	That's an old bio, but yes.
	What are the truth bombs?
	I dropped several tonight.
	You asked me to rate the room.
	I did.
	That's one.
	You're muted.
	Muted.
	Yeah, what are the truth bombs that you drop?
	I mean, I dropped one earlier.
	I said there's an objective mating value score, and it's decided by who you're wanting to mate with.
	That's a truth bomb.
	Yeah, I mean, that's pretty common knowledge, right?
	Well, apparently not, because we just spent 40 minutes arguing it.
	So apparently it's not common knowledge for everyone.
	Well, I know.
	I mean, it is because by your own admission, you just basically said that they're lying through their teeth, right?
	Like, they do believe it.
	Yeah, common knowledge isn't always common sense, and some people don't abide by common sense.
	So just because it's common knowledge doesn't mean that everyone's operating by it.
	Well, give me another truth bomb.
	I gave one earlier.
	I said if you had a 35-year-old woman and a 25-year-old woman side by side with all the same characteristics, the younger one would be more appealing for obvious answers.
	For obvious reasons, rather.
	How's that a truth bomb?
	Because it's uncomfortable.
	If you say all of them, it's uncomfortable.
	If you had a clone of a chick who was 25 and one, you know, you cloned her off of a chick who was 40, wouldn't they go for the 25-year-old?
	Wouldn't every human being basically say yes?
	No.
	Some people don't want to believe that.
	No, I think that most people would believe that.
	I think that they just kind of lie, right?
	They're just not telling the truth.
	Well, that's why it's called a truth bomb.
	But that's why it's called a truth bomb because it's uncomfortable.
	People don't want to hear it.
	Okay.
	Yeah, I'm just curious what the truth bombs were that you dropped.
	That's all.
	Yeah, I mean, there are things that people don't want to, some people don't want to agree are true because they're uncomfortable.
	They would have to mean that there is such a thing as certain people being superior in the mating market.
	Yeah, I just don't feel like that's, I don't know.
	I don't, that just seems like it's common knowledge to me.
	I was hoping for like, here's some things.
	So the reason I'm getting at this because I was hoping you have all this experience as a dating coach.
	You've been in this market for a long time.
	I'm hoping that I can hear some new stuff, right?
	I've been hearing this type of, you know, kind of women like taller men, that kind of thing.
	It's just very basic stuff.
	Well, you're married.
	You're married.
	You're married, so you're not.
	We donated $69 to the Lebanese female.
	Do you think females have easy here in the USA or in Lebanon?
	Easier how, like, easier how.
	They have sex way faster than women in Lebanon.
	Is he asking, are they easier or do they have it easier?
	Do they have it easier?
	Oh, do they have it easier when it comes to dating?
	I guess you could say that about anything.
	If I had to give a very generalized answer, I would say no, they don't have it easier because men in the Middle East are still by large more traditionally masculine and dominant.
	But that is a very big generalization, and Lebanon is a very small country.
	So you donated $25.
	Do you find deformed men beautiful too?
	Because you yourself have also sustained major head trauma.
	Wait.
	Oh, wait, but I wanted to say one more thing.
	Andrew, clearly, you're already married and happily, it seems.
	So these aren't truth bombs for you because you've already got it figured out.
	I mean, you figured it out.
	You cracked the code.
	But there are so many men in your position who have not.
	And therefore, revelations like this are actually revelations to them.
	So what, well, then what would distinguish you from other dating coaches?
	Well, for one, when it comes to helping people, I don't just help people feel better.
	I help them become objectively more attractive based on...
	Don't all big dating coaches do that?
	No.
	No.
	They don't?
	No, some.
	Isn't that just basic looks, Maxing?
	It's not just looks, though.
	Women don't just care about looks.
	That's one category of what women care about.
	If we really had to boil it down, I've actually codified what women care about, and it is a five-category assessment that women universally agree on.
	It's called the mating value score.
	So regardless of where a woman lives in the world, she more or less wants the same thing.
	Now, whether she can have that is a different story, but most women, if not all straight women, want more or less the same thing.
	Okay, what's that?
	Well, to use a story from the client earlier that I shared, he had everything, but he was extremely insecure when he would approach him, and he was very nervous.
	So he, you know, he checked off a lot of the boxes, but when it came to actually how he positioned himself, he came off as insecure.
	And every woman on this table, I believe, or at least most of the women on the table, agree that they wanted a man who was confident.
	So most women want a man who makes them feel safe and a man that they're attracted to, that they can respect, and a man who makes more money.
	I think most women do want that.
	Whether they can have that is a different story, but I do think that most women want a man who makes more money, is stronger than them physically, is dominant.
	His default is dominant.
	And that just sounds like basic red pill talking points to me.
	Well, that's because it's the truth.
	Yeah, but I'm just trying to figure out what sets you apart from every other date.
	Because I depressed that.
	Yeah, actually, no, it's a good question.
	I have a woman coaches all the time, right?
	And I debate within the red pill sphere with these red pillars all the time as well.
	And what you're saying here is just really functionally basic stuff that I would hear from any of these coaches, right?
	So none of them are going to say, ah, women like it when you're a weak bitch, right?
	Yeah, but that's how they like it when you're poor.
	None of them are going to say that.
	But that's not feedback.
	So what sets me apart is that I get real women to give real feedback to men.
	I'm not just talking at them for three months.
	Ulysses, the pagan, donated $25.
	Boiling it down, your profession sounds more like an end run around the law and is actually an escort service.
	Yeah, well, I don't know about that, but there's a guy on YouTube I used to engage with all the time.
	His name is Alex playing the Playing with Fire channel.
	And I liked him okay, right?
	He's a nice enough guy.
	He, but I mean, this stuff that you're talking about, this would be like very, very basic stuff he would just start with before getting into the kind of the meat and potatoes of it.
	It's not always basic because I've worked with men who are six feet, make six figures, and yet they don't fare well with women because, for example, they don't know how to hold a conversation or they can't flirt or they frankly don't even know that they're attractive, so they don't present with confidence.
	It's more nuanced than that.
	So just because it's common knowledge doesn't mean that it's always common sense.
	She's talking about charisma, right?
	Charisma is one of it is a part of it.
	Social proof is another.
	So like earlier, someone was saying if Brian approached Andrea, like what would she say?
	The first question that popped up in my head was, does she know that he's the host of this podcast or not?
	Because that matters instinctually to women.
	He's got a lot of social proof because he's got millions of subscribers.
	So he's clearly proven himself.
	Is it social proof that he's charismatic?
	No, it means that he's got high status.
	Yeah, but I mean, if you're the head of a podcast, you would be charismatic, right?
	Potentially.
	Yeah.
	But it's not.
	There's so many charismatic.
	There's a lot of charismatic podcast speakers who do not have 4.4 million subscribers.
	And there's also podcast speakers who have 4.4 million who are not charismatic.
	Exactly.
	Name one.
	So, I mean, I get what you're trying to say.
	Stop, stop.
	Hey, stop.
	Name a podcaster who has 4.4 million subscribers who's not charismatic.
	I'd like to actually hear one name.
	It was just a statement, right?
	Yeah, I know, I know, but can you name one?
	I just said it was a statement, not a charismatic.
	I know what you just said.
	Can you answer my question now?
	No, I can't.
	Yeah, I didn't think you could because you can't name one, right?
	Wait, so just say, roll your eyes, but you couldn't answer the question.
	And you couldn't answer the question because it's stupid.
	It's actually a stupid statement to say some guy has this massive, giant 4.4 million following and has zero charisma.
	It's the dumbest thing I ever heard.
	The reason that I bring this up, the reason that I bring the charisma thing up is because I don't think that could be taught.
	I think that there's a bunch of people who can women how to be charismatic, and I think they're lying to him.
	I think that charisma is something which is foundational.
	You either have the potential for it or you don't.
	I greatly disagree.
	Charisma could be.
	100%.
	Tell me how you teach somebody charisma.
	I'm pretty milquetoast.
	I got to be honest.
	Andrew, I'm pretty milquetoast.
	You can teach someone.
	You still have charisma.
	You can teach someone to be funnier.
	Thank you, Andrew.
	You can teach someone to be a better listener, to ask good questions, to tell better stories.
	You can teach someone to be more influential when they walk into a room.
	Just like you can teach sales, you can teach charisma 100%.
	You can teach sales to people who have charisma.
	And you can teach charisma to people who aren't.
	Yeah, so tell me, how would you teach someone?
	Who are not in sales?
	How would you teach somebody to be funnier?
	Well, I'd have them hang out with other people who are funny.
	I'd have them watch comedians.
	I would teach them timing, tonality.
	Sure, but wouldn't they need to have some baseline inside of their personality core?
	Some kind of baseline charisma where they even had the potential where they could be funny.
	Yeah, but potential doesn't mean anything if it's not actualized.
	Yeah, well, I agree.
	Well, okay, so I can agree when you're talking about actualization, right?
	Like maybe you have the potential to be a bodybuilder, but you never work out.
	I get that.
	But when I'm talking about charisma, I think that charisma starts with a base.
	So there has to be some base for this.
	And that people have that base for a lot of people.
	I don't know if you make someone.
	I'm not sure if you're a $18, $25.
	Can Madame Hussein the Con artist shut up and Miss Piggy on the far right put on a book?
	What?
	That's crazy.
	Is your argument, just so I'm clear that we're having the same conversation, is your argument that we're born as we are and we should just kind of accept it?
	So we're either charismatic or we're not charismatic and then we shouldn't really, because that to me sounds like a fixed mindset.
	So yeah, so I think if you're born really, really ugly, you might be able to what they could call looks maxing, and you might be able to make yourself slightly less ugly.
	Maybe you can work out and this type of thing.
	But I think you're still going to be ugly.
	You're just going to be buff and ugly, right?
	So maybe it can up your scale a little bit, maybe one point, something like this.
	But I think that the charisma especially, and what I've noted is people either have this as a trait.
	They either are somewhat leaning towards charismatic or they just don't.
	So like even in your example of sales, yes, you can teach people sales if they have the potential to be charismatic enough to do it because they already have some set level of charisma.
	I don't think that charisma is something that's taught though.
	I don't think it's something easily taught.
	You either have it, it's called the it factor for a reason, right?
	You either have it or you don't.
	Well, I mean, it's a, I respect your opinion and I disagree.
	I think you can definitely teach people how to be charismatic.
	And I don't think you have to be charismatic to be good at sales.
	There are plenty of extremely mellow salespeople.
	Sales is all about you have a problem and I'm better at explaining the problem than you are.
	And I have a solution that matches your problem.
	Yeah, that's all charisma.
	Communication's charisma can be done studies on this.
	Sales with video off perform much better than sales with video on.
	Why is that?
	I mean, you can't really use charisma as much because video off.
	The person's better looking.
	What do you mean?
	They're better looking and have more charisma.
	I'm saying video off sells better than video on.
	Because most people are not very good looking, likely.
	Most salesmen are probably not highly good looking, but that doesn't mean they don't have a lot of charisma.
	So this is why women can fall in love with a voice, right?
	And then see the guy behind the voice and go, holy shit, once they see him, they go, eh, not so interested.
	Loved the voice, didn't really necessarily love the person behind the voice.
	Okay, well, I do think that some people are born naturally more charismatic, just like some people are born naturally more attractive.
	So if those people have, if one person's starting point is naturally more charismatic, the other one is less, the person who's naturally more charismatic with even more training to be charismatic is definitely going to end up more charismatic than the person who started.
	I also think that someone who has the propensity to be charismatic, but doesn't really work on it, like they just are who they are, versus someone who is determined to learn how to become more charismatic and puts in the work over time could potentially outdo the person who was born naturally more charismatic.
	Are you practicing?
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	I'm listening.
	We can change topic whether it's a little bit more.
	No, no, I just don't.
	No, no, it's good.
	It's good.
	It's just a bit.
	It's a bit.
	It's a bit.
	I'm listening.
	Go ahead.
	Keep going.
	Well, no, I mean, he asked me what I do that sets me apart than other dating coaches, which I think is a fair question.
	And my answer, based on what I've seen.
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	Yeah, that's fine.
	Anyways, back to what you guys were talking about.
	Back to what you were talking about.
	Based on my research of other dating coaches, what I believe sets me apart based on the feedback I've gotten from people who have worked with their dating coaches and then come work with me is that we get men direct feedback from objectively attractive women.
	So it's not just my opinion, it's other women who are more attractive and more so what they are looking for or whatever.
	Same doesn't, yeah, just attractive women.
	What do attractive women, the type of woman that I would want to attract, the type of woman that if I saw her at the gym, I would probably talk myself out of approaching her because I would think that she's out of my league.
	What does she think about me?
	And in what ways can I improve that I'm not currently aware of?
	Because as I was sharing earlier, when I first started my business, I thought I was going to work with like total nerds who were extremely unattractive and socially awkward.
	I was baffled by the fact that I actually ended up working with a lot of very attractive men who in a different world, if I wasn't working with them, I might even consider to be an option.
	Like I would be attracted to them.
	And I was surprised to see that many men who are other dating coaches also do the exact same thing.
	They have women do vetting on feedback.
	Not based on my research, no.
	So the fact that I've codified female attraction into a five assessment category and I get women to give men quantifiable feedback.
	Like here is how you could go from a five or a six to an eight or a nine to women like me.
	That's how we like, that's what it would take for us to see you that way.
	No, I have not seen anyone else codify attraction.
	I have not seen anyone else quantify attraction because men like numbers.
	You ever heard of a guy named Michael Sartain?
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	By the way, this is the roast section.
	We're in the roast section of the show, so they're going to roast.
	I'm sure there are other fantastic dating coaches.
	I'm just talking about the ones that I have personally looked up, ones that I would consider competition.
	I've looked at what they do.
	I've essentially funnel hacked them.
	And funnel hack.
	Yeah, funnel hack.
	It just means that you figure out what their approach is.
	He has a coaching program.
	I don't remember what his organization is called because I just don't remember kind of tiny details like that.
	But inside of his, he also has a kind of a PowerPoint plan, which goes over the exact same type of thing, right?
	Which is male attractiveness, how you can look smack, this type of thing.
	But this, honestly, like I'm just giving you honest feedback as I'm listening to you.
	This just really sounds like very, very, very basic kind of redfill talking points as far as do this and then that'll lead to this.
	You know, you can look max here.
	You can possibly improve this portion of yourself.
	It's all basically just male self-improvement.
	Yeah, just like a fitness coach gives you more or less advice that you can find for free on the internet, which is eat less, work out more.
	But it doesn't mean that it makes it, it doesn't, it's no easier just because you can find information is not transformation.
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	I appreciate it.
	Thank you.
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	The pushback is because we're skeptical of female dating coaches for men.
	Generally speaking, you don't ask a fish how to catch fish.
	But I must acknowledge male drifters in this space, too.
	There's no doubt about that.
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	Go ahead, continue, guys.
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	Before I found TRP ten years ago, I was dating single moms.
	Try it out, guys.
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	I'm going to do five minutes of alert moderation here if you guys.
	I'll pause it temporarily if you guys want to finish up your point so you're not interrupted.
	That'd be cool.
	Yeah, it's go.
	Yeah, well, I was just wanting to dive in.
	I guess.
	It's hard.
	I understand it's hard when the conversation flow gets broke up from time to time for us to kind of remember where we were at, but to revisit it.
	So I was hoping for like an epiphany.
	You know what I mean?
	I've been in these spaces now for a little while.
	I've heard a lot of different things said by a lot of different people, but it kind of always narrows down to kind of these basic, what I would consider to be red pill sphere talking points.
	Yeah, I get it.
	And manosphere talking points.
	I was looking for that light bulb, the epiphany, the ding, the, oh, here's the thing that I have that no, and that's that's all.
	Look, I get it.
	When I hired a fitness coach two years ago, I was hoping for the same thing.
	Because to be honest, getting my ass to the gym four or five times a week, counting macros, that was not fun in my mind.
	So I was hoping for her to just say, look, you can do a little bit of Pilates, eat whatever you want, and you're going to get that hourglass big booty figure that you're looking for.
	But hard truth is, nope.
	It's actually just common knowledge.
	Count your macros, eat up your protein, lift heavier weights, progressively overload, and in time, you will get the physique that you want.
	Most people, they don't, they don't, all my clients, when they sign up to work with me, it's not because there's lack of information out there.
	There is a lot of free information out there on my Instagram, on a bunch of other female dating coaches' Instagram.
	They're not hiring me so that I can give them more information per se.
	They're hiring me so that I can hold them accountable, partially.
	It's that.
	And it's also to give them a more nuanced perspective about them.
	Because usually when you're making content, I'll speak for my audience.
	I make content for 181,000 followers on Instagram, 150,000 on TikTok.
	I'm making advice videos for a generalized audience.
	But I'm not, I can't know why a 37-year-old six-foot five dude in finance, I can't know why he's struggling until I talk to him and until I figure out what's going on that he's just not doing what he's supposed to be doing.
	Just like I bet Sammy, if she were looking at me, probably wouldn't be able to figure out why can't she just get to the gym four to five times a week, count her macros, sleep on time, and do what she's got to do to get the body that she wants, right?
	If it were that easy, then why are there so many women who get BBLs?
	Because they're looking for the easy fix and they don't want the accountability.
	They don't want the discipline.
	So when men work with me, it's not so that I can give them more information because information is not transformation.
	It's so that they can be held accountable to a vision that is specific to them.
	Yeah, but when it comes to personal trainers, you know, who trained your physical body, your physiology, there's definitely tiers to them.
	Some are way better at it than others are.
	And the reason that they are is because, well, they can kind of dive in a bit better and they have a deeper or uniquer understanding of how different people respond to these different circumstances in their life, to how different bodies respond to stress, different types of things like this.
	So, I mean, there's definitely tiers to personal trainers.
	I would assume that inside of this realm, there would be two.
	And so, if I kind of, I think if I were to ask personal trainers who are low-tier versus high-tier, what are the things that would set you apart?
	I don't think that they would give the same answer as the low-tier trainer.
	I think that what they would do is they would give you, hang on, and just let you go through those.
	I think that they would go through an entire different set and say, no, no, no, this guy is low-tier because A, B, C, D. I'm high tier because I understand, you know, EFG, you know what I mean?
	They understand an entirely different set of the physiology than kind of the low-tier trainer does.
	So, I guess that's what I'm looking for in the distinction.
	Yeah, and I've hired a lot of coaches, and I've learned through trial and error that good branding does not always mean that the program is going to match the branding.
	So, what when I'm hiring a coach, what I'm looking for is how many people like me have they helped get the results that I want.
	So, how many people that are similar to me and want a similar result has this person successfully been able to help?
	That's my marker for success.
	So, followers aside, whatever.
	Nobody's saying that they, I mean, every dating coach I've ever seen has the, I've helped thousands.
	Here's my body count.
	I haven't helped them.
	Here's my success rate.
	And here's all of my testimonies on my site, right?
	I mean, it's always kind of the same thing, isn't it?
	Well, yeah.
	I mean, what else are you going to go by?
	If you're wanting to hire a plastic surgeon, you're going to go by the before and afters.
	If you want to hire a fitness coach, you're going to go by the before and afters.
	If you're going to hire a dating coach, you're looking for how many men has she actually helped?
	You're right.
	But those things are.
	How many men went from dating women that they were feeling like they were settling for to women that actually blew their mind?
	Like, how many men went from chasing one?
	That's why you put people to the question to ask them what sets you apart, right?
	Because then it's not, well, my testimony is that I'm set apart because I'm super skilled because that's easily fudged, right?
	Instead, usually they'd be like, these are the criteria that really, the reason you should use me is because this reason more than anything, and it's really the thing that puts me over the top, right?
	So like for me, what sets you apart from almost all of the debaters is because I have some of the most powerful rhetoric inside of the debate sphere.
	That's what really sets me apart.
	Yeah, I answer that question.
	I mean, I'm happy to answer it again.
	What sets me apart is that I have found a way to quantify attraction.
	I have found a way to universalize female attraction so that a man, when he goes on three dates with a chick and then she suddenly blows him off, he's not wondering, what did I do wrong?
	He actually has tangible feedback that he can look at and say, okay, this is probably why I keep getting blown off by women that I'm into.
	That's what sets me apart.
	I'm quantifying it.
	That way there's no mystery.
	I mean, I assume that's just like step one, step two, step three.
	It just sounds like exactly what most of the dating coaches say.
	They give you real-time feedback and what it is that you're doing wrong.
	They're going to be there to support you with that feedback.
	And they quantify it.
	They're able to tell you that you're a 27.5 out of 50 in the eyes of women that you want to attract.
	And here's what you need to do in order to become a 40.
	Well, I think they use maybe different scales, but they come up with BS.
	Yeah, we're all rebranding.
	What do you guys, I mean, what sets this podcast apart from other podcasts?
	It's the nuances.
	It's the branding.
	It's, I mean, we're all doing the same.
	We're all selling the same shit.
	We're just rebranding it, and some of us are better than others.
	I'll answer your question.
	I'll answer your question.
	Okay, go for it.
	What sets this podcast apart from other podcasts is me.
	And I am so fucking awesome and such a force of nature that every other podcast on planet Earth would love to have me come on and co-host, I promise you.
	And I just don't.
	I just hang my hat.
	That's what sets it apart, right?
	Is that me.
	Now look who's in the middle of the day.
	Me, I lose it apart.
	A personality of one.
	Okay.
	I mean, cool.
	But in my opinion, it's a joke.
	It's a joke.
	Yeah, no, I got that.
	I got that.
	I'm not upset, by the way.
	I think what you're asking are fair questions because I think that for the men watching, if in their mind they are skeptical, that is totally fair.
	And if they want a reasonable explanation, I am giving you my version of that, which is that I have found a very big problem that exists in society and I have been able to successfully solve it for enough people that makes me feel confident to continue doing it.
	I mean, that's pretty much it.
	I don't know enough about that.
	80% of businesses, 80% of businesses fail in the first five years, and I've stayed afloat and I continue to grow.
	And I think the reason why I continue to grow.
	I don't know enough about your personal business, like your actual business to make a good, compelling argument.
	I mean, you look at the number.
	You can look at my following.
	You can look at my ideas.
	Yeah, yeah.
	I mean, tons of these guys have huge followings, right?
	I understand that.
	But that's a mark of success.
	That's a marker of success.
	Listen, listen, listen, relax.
	I don't know enough about your actual business to make the assertion one way or the other.
	All I can do is ask the questions, right?
	And say, hey, it doesn't seem to me like there's any kind of light bulb moment here.
	That's all I'm saying.
	Well, let me ask you this.
	How would you define success?
	Is it my revenue?
	Is it the amount of men I've helped?
	Is it my IG?
	What is your definition of success?
	My definition of success or my definition of a dating coach's success?
	Dating coaches' success.
	Yeah, so I mean, like, what would you have to see for you to be like, cool?
	That's different.
	Or that's better or superior.
	Yeah, so what I would do if I was a dating coach, if I was going to set myself apart, is I would have not just a program, because all of them seem to have a program, but I would be able to map out some type of roadmap that nobody else has, an actual roadmap, and say, there's this thing, this ding, this light bulb that then goes off when people hear it.
	Same thing with rhetoric.
	If you can form rhetoric in such a way where you can break it down to the point where people can understand it very quickly, right?
	That would be something that would be very successful for a debater, for instance.
	Okay.
	So a roadmap.
	In other words, here's step one, step two, step three, step four, step five, right?
	Yeah, but I was thinking I can give you that.
	That made that light bulb go off.
	That's what I'm saying.
	Well, I can't guarantee that your light bulb is going to go off because I don't know what your description of what a light bulb going off moment looks like is a little vague.
	But I can give you a roadmap.
	So to me, a man's journey, a man who is lonely and falls within that stat that we talked about before we hit live, which is that 60% of men between the ages of 18 and 30 have not had sex in the last year and it's not by choice.
	If we were just to go by that problem that currently exists in society, here's a roadmap that I would give someone who falls in that category.
	You've got to master the ABCs and the DEFs of dating.
	So the ABCs are approach, build desire, and convert.
	So you've got to actually put yourself out there and meet women.
	You've got to build desire in your interactions with them.
	And then you've actually got to convert that into a date because a lot of men can get phone numbers, but then they don't get a text back.
	Or they can get her IG, but then she blocks them.
	So can you actually predictably convert the woman that you approach?
	That's the first phase of the process.
	The second phase of the process is DEF.
	So can you deepen that connection over time, evolve it in whatever direction you want it to go, whether it's one night or you want to marry her?
	And then lastly, follow-through from her.
	Can you get follow-through from her?
	ABC, DEF.
	Some men struggle with the first part.
	They just have a really hard time walking up to a woman and approaching her and having a conversation that builds enough sexual tension that she actually wants to show up to a date with them.
	And some men are pretty good at that, but they can't for the life of them figure out why they keep getting blown off after that six-week mark.
	Wherever you are on that spectrum, some men struggle with both.
	I give you step one, step two, step three, step four so that you can go from, I find that girl over there hot.
	Now I'm going out with her.
	Now I'm hooking up with her.
	Now I'm marrying her.
	If that's what you want, that is the roadmap.
	Wait, Andrew, do you really want to continue on this thread?
	no offense it's just not really it's kind of boring no No offense.
	It's just kind of.
	It was great.
	Well, the rest of the show was just riveting, Brian.
	No, I don't know.
	I mean, I don't know.
	I actually appreciate your questions, Andrew.
	Thank you.
	I got it.
	Yeah, well, I was just curious because, you know, everybody seems to have a niche in the dating market.
	I stay away from it.
	What the hell do I know about it?
	You're married.
	You're happily married.
	Nothing, nothing.
	I know nothing about it.
	I don't want to know anything about it.
	It sounds like a nightmare, and I'd rather, you know, pull teeth out with pliers than ever get back involved in it again.
	But that aside, I was still curious what your kind of shtick was and what it is that you're actually after here and what sets you apart.
	It still just kind of sounds like the same stuff I hear from all the dating coaches, to be honest with you.
	But yeah, fair enough.
	Thanks, Matt.
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	I almost got to see that.
	Andrew is the goat.
	Maddie is the only 10 in many rooms.
	A lot of these, one of these Mads, this one's, whoever said it, Mads.
	I'm not going to trigger that one.
	It's a little too much.
	A little too much.
	Little offensive.
	Okay.
	Not going to trigger it.
	I'm waiting.
	Most of these are now at the dating coach, and she decided to get up right when we were.
	So I'm going to have to wait to trigger them until she's back.
	Any final thoughts from the panel before we wrap up here in a few minutes?
	By the way, guys, get your last-minute roast in TTS.
	You need to roast Maddie.
	She needs to be roasted.
	Humble me.
	You can roast me too.
	We'll also pull that up.
	Go ahead, Nick.
	Pull that up.
	Can you find?
	Can you read it, Maddie?
	Can you pull up Anna DeR. Moss, please?
	She should the 10 they can all compare to to get a true number, Brian.
	Please put a picture of Anna de Armas in there to point to and say that a 10 before or after they answered the rating.
	But yeah, I have an Anna De Armos.
	All right, Neglon, you Google her.
	We'll take a look.
	Thank you, Jesse.
	Jesse Soto.
	Appreciate it.
	Jesse.
	Thank you.
	Ready?
	Yes.
	I don't agree.
	Young?
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	Yeah, that'll give you the shrink.
	She looks like the girl from Cloudy with the Chance of Meatball.
	Okay.
	Cool, I guess.
	Yeah.
	All right, there she is.
	She's attractive.
	I don't think she's a 10, but.
	Yeah.
	All right.
	Thank you, Jesse, for that.
	And then let me get some of the sure I'll just pull this one.
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	Just I think he gave us a little nice shout out, me and Andrew.
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	We haven't planned anything.
	Nothing planned, but yeah, open to it.
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	Are you 4'11?
	No, I don't think 4'11 counts as dwarfs.
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	You're not really retired.
	If we can pull up a video of you getting slammed today, do you want to address that?
	The fuck?
	You're not going to say.
	You want to say something?
	I don't know what to say to that.
	She doesn't know what to say.
	Okay, so I do.
	I do have to ask you this one more time, though.
	I have to ask you this.
	How would you feel?
	How would you feel if you didn't eat breakfast this morning?
	Oh my gosh, we're taking it back to episode one together.
	Yeah, yeah.
	How would you feel if you didn't eat breakfast this morning?
	I would feel hungry.
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	I think that's it.
	Andrew, I know you had a question you wanted to ask.
	Did you?
	Okay.
	You know, not really.
	Not really.
	I didn't really have.
	I didn't really have much tonight.
	We didn't get into a lot of the usual stuff, but I do appreciate the panel coming on.
	It was spirited at times, and all of you were.
	I thought it was a pretty good faith exchange.
	This is actually, you know what?
	I got a good idea.
	For the last five minutes of the show, I want Andrew and you to have a little spirited back and forth.
	Go ahead.
	On what?
	Right.
	Go ahead.
	Go ahead.
	Do it.
	Who's which one are you?
	We're doing it.
	We're going.
	Yesterday, you said tomorrow.
	So just do it.
	Make your dreams come true.
	Just do it!
	Alright, hit me.
	Some people dream of success while you're gonna wake up and work hard at it!
	Nothing is impossible!
	Just don't go in.
	You should hit the point.
	Anyone else would quit, and you're not going to stop there.
	No, what are you waiting for?
	Do it.
	Okay, I'll do it and I'll answer that TTS question.
	You can be retired just like, okay, she's bodybuilding.
	She's pro.
	She can retire and her stuff can still be out there.
	So I guess my response would be: yes, I'm retired.
	My stuff will be out there.
	I'll probably be out there until I pay for it.
	She will be donated $25.
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	She is objectively a nine-tenths.
	I just Googled her.
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	Did somebody fart?
	Sorry.
	I just.
	No.
	Wait, hold on.
	Okay.
	I have a question.
	What year was World War I?
	Starting with you.
	I'm not a history buff.
	I'm sorry.
	Can you quick question real quick?
	1945.
	Who's the vice president of the United States?
	Right now?
	Yeah, right now.
	Right now.
	I believe it is Kamala Harris.
	Oh, you got it.
	Thank you.
	Good job.
	Wait, okay.
	Okay, fine.
	I'm going to be a goblin.
	Five minutes of these questions.
	Who's the primary victim of war, men or women?
	Go ahead.
	Men.
	Men.
	I mean, men, right?
	I don't know.
	I don't know.
	Okay.
	Men.
	Wait, the primary victim of what?
	War.
	Oh, men.
	Not because we're killed anything, I guess, ma'am.
	Let's see.
	Can you be sexist towards men?
	Yes.
	Yeah, I don't.
	What did you say last time?
	I don't understand.
	Can you be sexist towards men?
	And are you?
	And are you?
	I believe so.
	You can be.
	Okay.
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	Yes, definitely.
	Yeah.
	Yes.
	See.
	All right.
	Andrew asked me to ask this.
	Can you be racist towards white people?
	Oh, God.
	I mean, what is it called?
	What is it called?
	Definitely is.
	Prejudice.
	You can be prejudiced.
	Is that the word for towards people?
	You can't be racist, though?
	I don't know.
	I feel like that's really hot, And I don't want to be in the hot seat for that one.
	You're in the hot seat.
	You're in the hot seat.
	I would have, I mean, like, I think that I would need to Google the definition of the racism, but I feel like there's prejudice.
	Like, I would.
	Okay, well, let's, well, here.
	So I'll give you an easy example of racism.
	Being prejudiced towards a person based on their race.
	Outside.
	Does that work?
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	So, by that definition of being prejudiced towards someone based only on their race, can people be racist towards white people?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Are we going around the panel for this one?
	Yes. That's what we're doing.
	Vocalize.
	You got to vocalize.
	You got to use your words.
	No.
	Yeah, sure.
	I don't know.
	That didn't seem very enthusiastic.
	Tell us how you really feel.
	I'm good.
	No, go ahead.
	Tell us how you really feel.
	I mean, Uh, yeah, I guess you could.
	I guess the degree that different races experience it is completely different.
	So, someone may experience it to a certain degree, and someone else might experience to a very, very severe degree.
	But, in what sense can it really make you feel like so much lower than another race?
	Like, you're when you're being racist, you're trying to prove that your race is better than another race, technically, right?
	what could I say about a white person to try to degrade them and make them feel less than, more than what they've already done to other people?
	Crickets.
	I mean, I'm trying to actually understand the question.
	I thought that you were going to keep on going.
	Uh-oh.
	Nope, I wasn't.
	I didn't want to start on it in the first place.
	Oh, well, I don't know.
	Are you saying that you don't think then that black people can be racist towards white people?
	They can be, sure.
	Oh, well, then I guess you answered your own question.
	Yeah, sure.
	I guess.
	What am I going to call?
	No, I don't want to do it.
	Do it.
	Go ahead and ask.
	Go ahead and ask her.
	I don't want to do it.
	You can't make me do it.
	Yeah, I know you want to.
	We know you want to.
	Wait, do you think white people have culture?
	How about that?
	Is that easier for you to bite on?
	Yeah.
	Oh, okay.
	Yeah.
	Karen, right?
	That's okay.
	I guess we'll finish up going around the table on the other one.
	Same question?
	The racist towards white people one?
	Yeah, absolutely.
	What you got, Morgan?
	I don't know.
	I don't really, like, what is the definition of racist?
	Being prejudiced to somebody?
	Oh, sorry.
	Being prejudiced is the definition of racist.
	No, just being, let's just say, being prejudiced towards somebody based on their race.
	Okay.
	Yes.
	I think, yes.
	Word.
	Yes.
	Sure.
	Bro.
	Well, it's just because.
	Because what?
	Tell us what.
	You know, just.
	I mean, in a vague sense, yes, you can be hateful towards a specific race.
	I think it goes back to...
	What about in a precise way?
	I'm not going to.
	Well, no, you said in a vague way.
	In a vague way, you can.
	But isn't the synth opposite of vague is precise?
	So what would be a precise way in which?
	You could be racist to a white person.
	Oh, um.
	I'm like, is I feel like.
	Andrew, this is a dating podcast, sir.
	How dare you?
	I'm sorry.
	I'm sorry.
	I know.
	I always bring this in.
	Gosh.
	Is actually Matt Madison also kind of like elbow checked me.
	Okay, anyways.
	Oh, we got a bunch of.
	Okay, guys, we got a bunch coming through.
	We'll get through these and we're going to wrap the show.
	So, hold on, let me just read these, make sure they're above the board.
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	All right.
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	Thank you.
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	Appreciate it, guys.
	Got a couple more coming through here.
	Oh, Maddie, can you read it?
	Panel is already checked out, as shown by their blank stares.
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	Question for the panel.
	What was your biggest mistake you've ever made in a relationship?
	Oh, yeah.
	Yeah, that's for Maddie.
	Biggest mistake ever made in a relationship, just being too awesome, you know?
	Like, I was dating this chick, right?
	And I was just too cool.
	I was too great and treated her too good.
	I don't know.
	It's definitely the worst thing you could do.
	It's like you go to a job interview and it's like, what is your weakness?
	It's like too committed to my work.
	No, it's my girl.
	I'm not able to say no.
	I don't know.
	Nobody has anything?
	So I was going to say my biggest mistake was believing someone when they told me that someone was just their co-worker.
	Biggest mistake you've ever...
	Oh, I know.
	Okay, wait, wait, wait.
	I'll tell you guys the.
	I'll tell you a story, bro.
	Love of my life, okay?
	I was dating this girl, a beauty, proper beauty, attractive, great personality.
	But, lower the volume, please.
	Midway through our relationship, Blizzard Entertainment announced that they were releasing World of Warcraft Classic.
	Okay, this is my freaking childhood, right?
	It was like high school, but whatever.
	And I was really amped for World of Warcraft Classic.
	You know, I played this shit.
	I played vanilla.
	I was there.
	And that shit comes out, and I'm playing that shit a casual 10 hours a day.
	I had four 60s.
	I was rating on all of them.
	I mean, my two primary, I was Rogue and Warrior, right?
	But like, she would come over and I'd be like grinding.
	I'd be in, like, you know, I was leveling up.
	I remember one specific time I was like in Zulfarak.
	Just like grinding on one of my characters, like leveling up in the ult.
	Is this English?
	Yeah, but.
	And then I was actually on my Warrior, on my Warrior, right?
	I wanted to rank.
	I'm explaining breakfast right now.
	You calm down.
	I was trying to rank on my Warrior, you know, right?
	And like, I was doing AV, I was doing Warsong Gulch, I was grinding the honor.
	But I was only like, I got to rank 10 and it was like burnout, you know?
	And so, like, the crazy thing that happened.
	This sounds like TikTok brain videos, like, where they're like, oh, you have a girlfriend who has TikTok rot or like brain rot.
	This sounds like exactly like playing World of Warcraft Classic was like kind of like the biggest mistake like I made in the relationship.
	Good job.
	Because, you know, she like she didn't like that.
	I was playing like 12 hours a day.
	How did you become Irish by the end of that?
	But now I don't, like, I quit.
	Hold on.
	I don't play video games anymore.
	I quit.
	I think mine was having no boundaries.
	And lack of communication.
	You just played a video game.
	You just played a game.
	You just played Solitaire and Minecraft.
	Bro, that's not game.
	You think Solitaire is gaming?
	Trust me.
	But I quit that shit.
	Cold turkey.
	Because, dude, get this shit right.
	So girlfriend broke up with me, but I played for another four months.
	And then you drank Mountain Dew non-stop, didn't you?
	No.
	And then, like, but I was in, I was in the heart.
	I was in the best rating guild on the server.
	We were a hardcore rating guild.
	We, world for, excuse me, real-first clears.
	We were like top 10 NA, North Africa.
	North America.
	We were top 10 NA, North America.
	Like, speedruns and shit.
	Molten Core, BWL.
	But, like, it was a loot council loot system, and I got screwed over on a couple loot decisions.
	And, like, finally, I got screwed over too many times on loot.
	And I was a pumper.
	I was a top parser.
	And so finally, I was just like, you know what?
	I'm done.
	And so I just like G-quit that shit.
	I went on all my characters.
	I was like, four different 60s.
	Like, boom, G-Quit.
	Boom, G-Quit.
	Okay, these girls.
	Sorry.
	And then I just like left the Discord server.
	That's the only thing I recognized out of that Discord server.
	And I never logged back in again.
	And then I never did it again.
	But so I guess what I'm trying to say is, you know, that was my biggest mistake.
	Slag.
	Freaking amen.
	That's something that's not.
	That's nothing.
	That's nothing, Brian.
	Compared to my AOC days when I had a level 70 barb and we're rolling through fucking Hyboria.
	And we were going through all sorts of different raids.
	It's crazy.
	And I was taking out sin after sin after sin, especially inside of the multi-purpose combat system, which was fantastic.
	But then, you know, some of the problems which happen inside of Hyborias were moving along.
	You can see the AOEs are just coming out of nowhere.
	Out of nowhere.
	You know how that goes?
	AoEs.
	You know how that goes.
	The AOEs.
	Literal torture.
	This is the equivalent of, like, we can all start talking about our hair and our AFP.
	Would that be better?
	Are we torturing?
	This is quite the switch.
	We're torturing.
	You have to listen to our prattle now.
	Oh, shit.
	Okay, I'll let these rest come through.
	Wait, hold on.
	Lol Paladins, I can't trigger it because you used a very offensive word to white people, so I can't.
	Paladins, I can't trigger it.
	I'm sorry.
	Just take it donated $25.
	Question for Andrew.
	Why does there need to be an aha or light bulb moment for you to accept she could be a high-tier dating coach?
	Why can't her merits speak to that idea?
	They can.
	There might just not be anything new inside of that field.
	It might just be that there's no more light bulb aha moments for me to look at.
	Maybe I just maybe I've just heard it all, you know?
	But maybe not.
	I don't know.
	Lol Paladins donated $25.
	Only rank 10.
	You filthy casual.
	Yeah.
	I broke up with my four-year GF because I needed to hit Warlord.
	From now on, you can call me Warlord Lawrence.
	On just one of the shoulders.
	The horde ranked.
	69 you were donated $25.
	The past doesn't justify being racist towards future generations.
	All you're doing is playing the victim card.
	Read your history.
	Get educated.
	Wow.
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	Now's it's time to g quit this topic, Brian.
	You torment your chat enough for Ziz.
	Sincerely, a wow player.
	Now, now, hang on.
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	Brian, are you trying to do pure ponage?
	Oh, yeah.
	Like, I'm, yeah, you know.
	It's like I got the micro.
	Like, I'm like farming.
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	That's a thumbs down for me.
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	Can we raise it?
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	Thank you, sir.
	Mayonnaise is not offensive.
	Stop the cap.
	I don't like Mayo, to be honest.
	I like Mayo.
	I like pesto mayo.
	You guys like sour cream?
	I don't like sour cream either.
	I hate sour cream.
	Disgusting.
	I don't know.
	It's just.
	All right.
	We're going to do a Twitch raid, Nick, if you can get that going.
	And then we're going to also raid Andrew here.
	Oh, my God.
	Payo is streaming?
	Oh, we have to raid Payo.
	I don't think we've.
	Payo.
	Can you find that, Nick?
	All right, guys.
	Wait, Maddie, quick.
	Body count, quick, quick, quick.
	What's your body count?
	God.
	You got it.
	Go ahead.
	You've already.
	What did you say?
	800?
	What did you say?
	I said, gosh, not 800.
	I'm sorry.
	I must have misheard.
	You heard what you wanted to hear.
	Wait, wait, just go around the home.
	Just go ahead.
	An A. 9.
	I can't remember what I said on the last pack podcast.
	You could give a range.
	Yeah, we'll say like 30.
	And you could just say single digits.
	It's been a while since you're onsa.
	I like that one.
	It's been a while since you've been on.
	Is it more than last time?
	Not too many more.
	No, no, no.
	Just yeah.
	All right.
	You want to give a range, though?
	Go ahead.
	She said single digit.
	Okay.
	Four.
	Uh.
	Four.
	Three.
	How many?
	How many?
	Four.
	Four?
	Okay.
	Three.
	Multiply it by three, and that's the real number.
	All right, guys.
	With that said, we're going to wrap up the show here.
	Gigi, well played to the panel.
	Gig, well played.
	Oh, actually, I'd like to end the show by seeing if we can't use this moment as an opportunity to give you and you a call to action.
	Would you both consider stopping sex work entirely?
	How is she in it?
	You do OF, right?
	Did you do it?
	Yeah, she does OF.
	I didn't even know that.
	Right here, right now, will you delete your OnlyFans?
	You start paying my bills.
	I'm good.
	I thought she retired.
	No, she retired from mainstream coins.
	Mainstream shit.
	You know what I mean?
	What the hell does it matter?
	Like, why would you retire from one, but not the other?
	Like, why does it matter at that point?
	It's completely different, because it's like I have more control over my own things versus when I work with oh my god, who the hell he asks?
	So it wasn't for any noble reason.
	You just wanted to have more control basically no, it's because I entered into a monogamous relationship and that was our choice to do that.
	You think, like, taking your clothes off for dudes is still monogamy?
	Do you know the way?
	Play it again.
	Do you know the way?
	Wait really quick.
	I did just one more time.
	Who's a 10?
	And then what did you read?
	Nine yeah, which is.
	I know you're not a natural beauty, but I think with the right clothes, the right look, you can be very striking.
	Okay, where were we?
	I forgot.
	About a wrap.
	Raid?
	Oh, yo, guys, tell Peyo.
	Also, tell him we need to get him on the podcast, okay?
	Okay, so GG, well played to the panelist.
	So, no, you won't consider stopping sexual?
	I mean, I do it for fun.
	It's a kink of mine.
	So, it's one thing I do in a web of many, many things.
	So, it's just passive.
	Just on a throwing out there.
	You don't do it for money.
	I mean, that's a benefit of it, but it's not my main source of income.
	So, would you still do it if you didn't make any money?
	I mean, no.
	Would anybody do anything?
	It's for fun.
	Oh, yeah, they would if it was just a kink of theirs.
	Yeah.
	I mean, I'll do it behind.
	The kink is recording myself, so like it's considered exhibitionist being watched.
	So if I'm the point is to give it out, and if they're going to pay for it, I would think you would do that for free, whether somebody paid you for it or not, right?
	But if there's an opportunity to get paid for it, like, would you debate for free or do you get you monetize your debates?
	Yeah, I debate it for free for years.
	What do you mean?
	I don't debate for free.
	But you would monetize it if you could.
	So capitalize on something that you can capitalize on.
	Yeah, no, I get it, but in this particular case, what I'm asking you is, if you weren't getting paid for it, would you do it?
	The answer asked to me is, hang on, hang on.
	The question asked to me is, if you weren't getting paid to debate, would you do it?
	My answer, yes.
	Your answer, no.
	Your answer was no.
	Your answer was no, I would not do it if I wasn't getting paid.
	Okay.
	Yeah, so then that doesn't make any sense, right?
	Because if it's just a kink, then why wouldn't you still do it even if you weren't getting paid?
	Before I had the opportunity to do it, I still recorded myself doing it.
	So there was a point in time where I recorded myself.
	So then you would do OnlyFans for free.
	I didn't say OnlyFans, I said record myself.
	But I'm very checked out, so we can end the podcast here.
	So I'm not up for any more debates, but thank you for your concern.
	I mean, it wasn't a concern.
	It was an inquiry.
	I don't even feel like we really even debated very much, honestly.
	I haven't said much tonight.
	Good talk.
	Good talk.
	Where was I?
	I think I was.
	You're going to read some.
	Yeah, yeah, okay.
	So, GG, well played to the panel.
	Last call, hit the like button, please.
	On your way out, let me hit these last two chats here.
	Hold on.
	Buy $1,100 donated $25.
	Brian WTF, how are you doing?
	Bring Josie Ann LaSart back on.
	Let's fucking go.
	Do it.
	Yeah, but Josie is so annoying and she has that stupid accent.
	Blackballs donated $25.
	Let blonde shorty in pink got then huge tetters.
	You can feed a bunch of jits with those tangs.
	She can knock out a mofo out with those busters.
	All right.
	Thank you, man.
	Appreciate the black balls.
	Thank you, bro.
	All right.
	Black balls.
	What a great name.
	Okay.
	All right, guys.
	Thank you for tuning in tonight.
	You could have been anywhere in the world, but you're here with me.
	I appreciate that.
	I do also just want to say rugby is better than soccer.
	Thank you to everyone who super chats.
	Sorry, Morgan.
	Super Chats donates and supports the show.
	We will be live again Sunday.
	No, actually, we might, we're doing a live stream.
	4th of July live stream.
	We don't know.
	It could be trash.
	It could be good.
	That's going to be Maddie.
	We're going to be on the streets, probably.
	Who knows?
	I don't know.
	It's going to be a mystery.
	I don't know if it's going to be Twitch exclusive.
	It might be Twitch exclusive.
	It might do it on YouTube.
	We don't know, but uh, be sure to just kind of keep tabs on that.
	We so dating talk will be live again Sunday at 5 p.m. Pacific.
	We have the great My Caucasian Andrew Wilson in studio, or wait, maybe in studio, maybe, maybe we're figuring it out.
	But if not the week after, yeah, yeah, uh, possibly in studio, maybe who knows when it's it could be uh the in a couple I don't you know, you never know, anyways.
	Any girls who want to be on the show, DM out whatever on Instagram if you can make it to Santa Barbara.
	Uh, thanks again, guys.
	Thank you.
	Uh, okay, I'm just gonna sorry, Maddie.
	Maddie's huge had donated $25.
	Number rate to Teetin forever, number rate to Teetin forever, number rate to Tatin forever, number rate to Tatin.
	Okay, thank you, man.
	Appreciate it.
	Thank you.
	We do have to wrap up, though.
	Otherwise, I would have just let that go on.
	So, we need to raid Payo, Nick, if you can get Payo going here.
	Okay, I'm gonna start that.
	Thank you guys for watching on Twitch.
	Oh, wait, we gotta uh wait, go to the Twitch tab first.
	Oh, wait, it's too late.
	Actually, it's not too late.
	Go to the Twitch tab, Nick first, our Twitch tab, really quick.
	Okay, guys, if you're on Twitch, quickly, really quick before I do the raid, drop us a follow on the Prime sub if you have one.
	Twitch.tv/slash whatever.
	Drop us a follow, drop us a Prime sub.
	Guys, it's been an hour since our last Prime.
	I think it's bugged.
	Boys, drop us a Prime sub.
	I think it's bugged.
	I don't know what's going on on Twitch.
	I'm very concerned.
	I'm very worried.
	We might have got hacked.
	I don't know what's going on.
	Drop us a Prime sub, boys, if you have Amazon Prime.
	Like I said, you can link it.
	Super, super easy.
	We're doing exclusive streams on Twitch.
	Yo, Flex, thank you for the Prime Man.
	Exclusive streams on Twitch.
	Maddie's been doing some solo streams, so be sure to check those out.
	Anyways, back to Payo.
	We're gonna do a raid.
	Thank you guys for watching on Twitch.
	Really appreciate it, guys.
	Trying to build our viewership over there, too.
	All right, we're gonna raid Peyo.
	Thank you guys for watching on Twitch.
	I'm gonna send the raid now.
	Thank you guys.
	Okay, so he's in Tenaris grinding the South Sea, the South Sea Pirates.
	He's leveling up.
	I think he's this is SOD.
	Is this Sod?
	No, this is Fresh.
	Yo, don't do that, man.
	I cannot talk.
	Just keep talking.
	And he's French-Canadian.
	Tell him he needs.
	We need this guy on the show.
	Yo, bro.
	You call me the worst stream possible.
	I cannot talk.
	I cannot talk too much because I don't want to trigger my neighbors when it's 3 in the morning.
	But and I'm fucking stone.
	So guys, can I have some pockets in the chat?
	Whatever.
	Thank you so much for that raid.
	I really appreciate that, my little man.
	Guys, if you want to see an amazing caster, not a caster, but a show.
	And an amazing, what is it?
	Yo, dude, I swear to God, I used to watch this guy.
	This guy sounds like you was doing some not me.
	What is the name of it?
	You know, the camel toe.
	Camel.
	Nice camel toe.
	And the guy is like, what the hell?
	But there's like a real camel in the back.
	She's like, what?
	And she's like, oh, okay.
	You never see that?
	Let's watch it.
	You never see my videos.
	He's having so much.
	He's fine.
	He's fine.
	He's fun to watch.
	Yo, this, yo, dude.
	He's plays well.
	That's not the meme.
	It's like, what is the?
	But yo, thank you so much, whatever.
	I really do appreciate it, guys.
	I'm going to make you a shout out.
	I really don't.
	Sorry, man.
	Guys, if you want to see a really nice guy that is a legend, I'm going to show a video about him.
	Go see whatever.
	He's a super nice guy.
	I might.
	There you go.
	That's nice.
	Thank you, Peyo.
	Appreciate it.
	I might go to one of your shows, but I don't think I have what it takes.
	Not yet.
	Tell him, guys.
	Tell him we need him on the show.
	The guy that we're doing when we watch, it's him.
	It's whatever.
	I want to watch whatever he's in.
	He said he's going to kind of own.
	Sorry.
	Thank you so much.
	All right.
	All right.
	Well, we'll let him watch this showing.
	Oh, here, just put it back really quick, I guess.
	But it's so dumb.
	What are you?
	You bring a camel.
	It's so fucking dumb.
	Wait, you never see that then?
	All right, thank you, Rule.
	Play, bro.
	Play that shit.
	Whoa, your camel toe is huge.
	Yeah, thank you so much, sir.
	Wow!
	It's quite lovely.
	It's a typical German camel.
	It's a weakness in the Fisbee Mountains.
	Camel toe.
	We get the idea.
	All right, cool, cool, cool.
	You can close that out.
	Okay.
	All right, he's having a good time.
	He's lit.
	So, oh, wait, we got, hold on.
	Morris donated $25.
	Get Hawk Duet girl on also, Brian, do a whatever tour and do the podcast on stage.
	I reached out to her.
	She finally kind of went public, we're going to try to get her on.
	Sigma underscore Chud donated $26.
	It's unlikely though. Brian Plaza get more guys on the pod or at least some PPA that give pushback like Andrew.
	These pods been kind of boring lately.
	Sorry, but this Chud needs 304A.
	Andrew's been on.
	Also, Stfugu Dark Crimson.
	Okay.
	I mean, here's the problem, right?
	Is that I don't think there's anybody better in the game than Andrew.
	So like you saying, bring somebody on.
	Andrew's like, if he was parsing on Warcraft logs, he'd be in like, he'd be in legendary parses.
	He'd be like legendary 99% parses.
	Like he's parsed tonight.
	He parsed.
	Like I, it was like not, it was like a 97% parse tonight from Andrew, which is still like really good.
	But like he'd have like really high parses.
	He has really high parses.
	And so.
	Brian.
	What?
	Oh, sorry.
	Sorry.
	Sorry.
	Yeah.
	Oh, no.
	I'm just saying, look, people are like, oh, Brian, bring on, bring on people like Andrew.
	Who?
	Who?
	I don't know.
	Who is on Andrew's level?
	Really?
	Stroke, stroke, stroke, stroke.
	Hey, first, also, and people are like, Brian, you're not as good as Andrew.
	No, shit.
	Of course, there's going to be people in life that are better than you at things.
	Andrew's better than everybody.
	So it's like, you know, what do you do?
	Anyways, okay, all right, cool.
	So with that said, after that glazing, I'm going to raid Andrew so you guys can.
	I think that's everything.
	Okay, that's everything.
	I heard your snot-nose little stroke, stroke, stroke.
	I heard you.
	I see what you're doing.
	You got to get your little jab in there, didn't you?
	She did.
	What happened to the goofy glasses anyway?
	All right, the public and everybody agreed that they were too grandma.
	So your girl's going for contacts soon, and I'm still blind.
	They were kind of granny glasses, I'll admit they were a little bit.
	But I'm very blind, yes.
	Anyways, with that said, he's a brave and a decent man.
	He's a pirate.
	It was nice to see you again.
	I'm sure that we'll have exchanges in the future.
	Thank you to the entire panel.
	Well played to all of you.
	All right, guys.
	O7's in the chat.
	We are raiding Andrew right after this.
	Matty I 7,787 donated $25.
	Bring on Jordan Peterson.
	It might be possible because I do have some contacts at the, I guess, I don't know what his relationship exactly is with the Daily Wire, but I've reached out and, I mean, he's a very hard guy to book.
	But I think perhaps in the future, that could be cool.
	Anyways, guys, I do got to wrap.
	So O7's in the chat.
	Good night, guys.
	We are going to go.
	It should raid automatically to Andrew.
	Thank you, Andrew, for coming on.
	Guys, drop him a sub when we do the raid.
	And he's getting his plaque, 100K plaque soon.
	So, all right, guys.
	Good night.

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