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June 19, 2024 - Whatever Podcast

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ONLY 1% Of Men Attractive?! She ONLY Dates Narcissists?! Men Are LAZY?! E-GIRLS! | Dating Talk #171

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	Welcome to the whatever dating talk podcast where we try to make sense of the modern dating hellscape.
	I'm your host, Brian Atlas.
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	Oh, there we go already.
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	Okay.
	I won't bother you anymore, B, promise.
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	Follow the pieces B. Protect me from who?
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	Brian, will you and Jojo run the South Bay Ultramarin in San Diego?
	This all cursed.
	I told you before it started, he asked me ultra marathon.
	She's been training.
	That's hard.
	I told him, he said, would you run a half marathon or a marathon?
	And I was like, oh, maybe I would do a half marathon.
	He was like, okay, it's in a month.
	I was like, okay.
	Wait, did you do it?
	No, it's way too little time.
	I need more time to train.
	It's still, what, 13 miles for half a marathon?
	That's a big ask.
	Ultra marathon.
	I'll do like the 100-meter dash.
	Sign me up for that.
	I can do it.
	I'll watch it completely.
	The jog.
	100-meter jog.
	Okay, where were we?
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	Nick, you've been sitting in for the past.
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	Oh, yeah, we should have had Maddie up in the front.
	Anyways, it's okay.
	With that said, without further ado, we're going to have the guests introduce themselves.
	So please tell us your name, age, location, and occupation.
	Go ahead.
	Jojo, I just recently graduated with my master's in Joe Strompets, the Bow Video donated $69.
	My sprinkler goes like this and comes back like this.
	Uh, cool.
	Thank you, man.
	We'll show them the bow video.
	We'll show the bow video later.
	Go ahead.
	So I just graduated recently with my master's in international affairs.
	I'm 25 years old.
	I also somewhat Twitch stream with Kerbafeen.
	And I'm from Los Angeles.
	25, right?
	Yes.
	All right.
	And you just graduated?
	Last Friday.
	You said with a master's?
	In international affairs.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	From where?
	UCSD.
	Okay, nice.
	What about you?
	I'm Abby.
	I'm 21.
	I live in Santa Barbara now, but I'm originally from Vermont.
	And I don't have an occupation, and I'm pretty happy.
	Are you a NEET?
	Am I NEET?
	Yeah, are you Yeet?
	No, are you a NEET?
	An N-E-E-T, right?
	Not in employment, education, or training, I believe.
	That is me.
	Yes.
	Okay, so you're a NEET.
	You're a neat.
	That's what's up.
	Yeah.
	You're a NEET.
	You're from Vermont.
	When did you move to Santa Barbara?
	Like a year and a half ago.
	You've been out here for a year and a half.
	Why did you move to Santa Barbara?
	I don't know.
	It was pretty.
	And I liked it.
	Had you been before?
	Or you just found it on the internet?
	You're like, cool place?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	So did you have a job lined up?
	Do you have family out here?
	No.
	So you just rolled the dice from Vermont?
	Yeah.
	What part of what?
	Where in Vermont?
	By like the Quebec border, like Northern.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	So, and you haven't had a job for a year and a half?
	No, like I had a job, but I just like got fired like eight months ago, and I haven't picked it up since because why would I do that?
	Why did you get fired?
	I was working at like a nursing home.
	Embezzlement?
	What?
	No, I'm not really sure.
	They just didn't like me and they fired me.
	I thought I was good with the old people though.
	I really didn't.
	Did anybody perish?
	Not good enough.
	Did anyone perish?
	Yeah, people did, but like not.
	No, I mean, because of you.
	I hope not.
	Okay, I don't know why I'm asking that, but so they just didn't.
	The old people didn't like you or your coworkers didn't like you?
	My co-workers.
	Is it because you were from Vermont?
	No.
	There's a lot of bigotry against people from Vermont.
	Yeah, no, they just didn't like what I did.
	They thought I was like...
	What do you mean?
	What did you do?
	Why?
	Did they tell you why?
	Not really.
	Like, I got a letter.
	Stacy Perelt had donated $100.
	Thank you, Stacy.
	We provide and protect when we receive the submissive respect.
	Word.
	Yeah, that's well put.
	But we?
	So wait, Stacy, I guess Stacy could be a man's name.
	Stacy, are you a man or a woman?
	I've heard of male Stacy's.
	Right.
	Stacy's mom.
	You could be a male.
	Because he says we, or she says we, I don't know.
	See, what gender is ambiguous?
	Is it, are you a man?
	Are you a woman?
	But Stacy, in any case, thank you for the TTS.
	Appreciate it.
	Okay, so you were fired.
	I was, yeah.
	And so you've been out of a job for.
	I don't even know what you're doing.
	You got a trust fund?
	What's going on?
	No.
	Your parents own a maple syrup conglomerate?
	I mean, that's not too far up.
	I don't have parents, though.
	I'm just like...
	Oh, are you like a...
	I'm just Abbey.
	I think it's fine.
	Yeah.
	Are you an orphan?
	You could say that.
	Oh, okay.
	Does that require like an, oh, I'm sorry to hear that.
	You know, like if somebody's dad passed away in the past.
	Not at 21.
	Not at 21.
	It still seems to be an orphan.
	No, I'm just wondering, like, you know, like, for example, when it comes to New Year's, like, if you said happy new year in April, people would be like, the fuck you talking about?
	Oh, sure.
	So is it like, is it ever too late to be like, oh, sorry.
	I'm sorry you're an orphan.
	No, I'm just.
	It's your first time hearing me.
	Honestly, this is not funny at all.
	Sorry.
	But like, I don't know.
	I don't know what the social etiquette is.
	If somebody says that they're, you know, if they're in, if they're 21, but they say they're an orphan, does it warrant, does it warrant like one of those, like, I'm sorry to hear that.
	I guess it just depends on the vibe.
	You couldn't really dad about it.
	Julie, do you got an opinion?
	Were you adopted?
	No.
	Were you in an orphanage?
	No, like.
	Are you not even an orphan?
	Did I just make it sound like that?
	No, I'm definitely an orphan.
	I was in like foster care for like a year.
	Oh, okay.
	Me too.
	Me too.
	Okay, but so you did get placed with the family.
	Like you were adopted?
	For a year, and then they kicked me out.
	Wait, but so you said for a year.
	Wait, at what age did your parents pass away or?
	My mom passed when I was 16, and then my dad passed when I was like 17-ish.
	I think it warrants a sorry.
	Sorry to hear that.
	Sorry to hear that.
	Sorry, Abby.
	That's okay.
	And so you were in Vermont, you moved here, not in work.
	You've just been surfing.
	What are you doing?
	I can't swim, actually.
	You should.
	You don't know how to swim?
	I don't know how to swim.
	Can somebody get this girl some like floaties for her?
	I have a pool noodle that I keep in my car.
	Like a big one.
	It's awesome.
	Danielle Lilval donated $69.
	Nicolette definitely gained some weight.
	Did she quit off depression and shame must be eating at her?
	First of all, okay.
	Me and Nicolette are joining Weight Watchers.
	Okay.
	So you be nice to the both of us, okay?
	Listen, you know, we've been going through a stressful time, right?
	We've been, we cope by eating.
	Right.
	We're coping, okay?
	All right.
	Don't come for my girl, Nicolette.
	Okay, anyways.
	So you go in the school?
	No school?
	No, sir.
	So what are you doing to keep yourself busy?
	I go to yoga, like a good bit.
	Okay.
	Just because, like, what else?
	You know?
	Yeah.
	I hang out with random people on Hinge.
	I usually don't like them.
	When's the last time you were on the Hinge date?
	Two nights ago.
	Okay, Abby.
	Goodbye.
	Yeah.
	Oh, definitely not good.
	Did you guys have carnal knowledge?
	That's a later question.
	Come on.
	Was there carnal knowledge?
	No, I told him he wasn't my type.
	And then that was that.
	Like physical type or personality?
	Yeah, he was very white.
	Not a pretty good one.
	Well, wouldn't you have seen that in his pictures?
	Yeah, yeah, no, I did.
	I just thought I'd give him a chance.
	He's very white.
	So he was.
	He wasn't your type because he was white or he was pale.
	No, he's just like white.
	So do you not date white guys?
	Not usually.
	Sorry, Nick.
	So what's your type then?
	I love.
	I love Mexican men.
	That's why she came to Santa Barbara.
	Yes.
	Exactly why she came in.
	Southern California.
	Not enough Mexican men in northern Vermont.
	There's none.
	Absolutely.
	It's like right by the Canadian border, right?
	Why didn't you get to San Diego or close to the border?
	I mean, should I?
	Like, I can.
	San Diego's right next to the storm.
	Well, everything's a border straight out.
	Texas.
	Natalie has insight on this topic.
	San Diego's like two hours from TJ.
	She just moved to Mexico.
	Yeah, no, that's a great idea.
	Wait, is it just Mexicans?
	What about other Latinos?
	Like, do you fuck with Costa Ricans?
	It's just not as good.
	Like, I love them tall and like curly hair.
	Tall Mexicans.
	Yeah, I know.
	It's rare, but I. Do you like the Edgar cut?
	Is that what they're called?
	Is that what they're called?
	It looks like a broccoli head.
	It's not great.
	Wait, it's okay.
	What about like Puerto Ricans?
	No.
	Okay, what about like Nick?
	Nick Rogan.
	Holy shit, I'm getting a lot of people.
	I am so sorry to a buy.
	You seem to be a nice person, and it's heartbreaking when terrible things happen to good people.
	Yeah.
	Sorry about the orphan.
	The orphan thing, I'm sorry.
	I am sorry.
	That's fucked.
	I would.
	I'm 35.
	I'd be all fucked up if my parents passed away so.
	All fucked up.
	Anyways.
	No, no, I'm not saying you're fucked up.
	I'd be like, I'd be, I'd be, I'm not saying you're fucked up.
	I'd be like fucked up in the sense of distraught, grieving.
	Yeah.
	Wait, so okay.
	Brazilians?
	Or are they too white for you?
	Yeah, no, like, it matters.
	It definitely matters.
	Melanin is nice.
	I like that.
	So, just Mexicans.
	What's south of Mexico?
	Like, there's the country that's.
	Water?
	I was like, water.
	No, the Panama Canal.
	Belize.
	Panama?
	Yeah.
	Panama?
	Panamanian.
	What about Panamania?
	Panamaniac?
	El Salvador.
	They have dark curly hair.
	That's really anonymous.
	You're going to love Panama.
	Anonymous donated $69.
	Brian is extremely fucked up, so don't worry about a thing.
	You've got this.
	Yeah, we've got something in common.
	You did have a problem with that bug in the bathroom.
	I was watching this.
	He's trying to get me to pick up a bug for him.
	Brian was?
	Yes.
	That's definitely not true.
	That's 100% true.
	I didn't want you to pick it up.
	I wanted you to squish it.
	So that's even more fucked up.
	What's wrong with you?
	I was in the middle of putting my contacts in.
	I couldn't.
	I got to get my hands on it.
	Oh, bug hands.
	Well, you just.
	Toilet paper a bug.
	And you should have done it.
	Okay, so you don't.
	What about like Asian men?
	No, I have like dated like two Asian guys.
	It was okay.
	But now I'm really dialing in.
	I really know.
	Well, two days ago, you went on a date with a white guy.
	Yeah.
	I mean, he was there.
	He was available.
	I'm sure he was there.
	Because, I mean, if you're so strict with your type of it being has to be a Mexican guy.
	Like, was this guy like catfishing?
	Like, he kind of looked Mexican?
	The white guy?
	No, I think I just wanted like a friend to hang out with, and he was very upset about that.
	My bad, my bad.
	Damn.
	Okay.
	All right.
	We'll come back to some of that stuff later.
	Nicolette, introduce yourself, please.
	Anonymous donated $69.
	Brian, can you tell us your current weight and how much weight you've lost in the last two weeks?
	Guys, it's bad.
	I'm like 215.
	I lost five pounds, though.
	I'm losing it.
	It's gonna, boys, it's coming off.
	It's coming off.
	I'm gonna, my goal by the end of the year is like 190, 180.
	Oh, you got that.
	Easy peasy.
	Are you gonna change the outfit when you lose the lid?
	The flannel's coming back.
	Corby Dadoff 4 donated $69.
	Glasses on the top left of the panel is for sure a 10.
	Would definitely put a ring on that.
	That's a 10.
	Oh, corny.
	Does he have four corners?
	Corner?
	Yeah, we have four.
	Four, I guess.
	I thought we had five.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	Can I have you just tilt your mic up?
	Oh, I'm sorry, my bad.
	No, tilt it up.
	That's good.
	Okay.
	Yep.
	Go ahead, Nicolette.
	I'm Nicolette.
	I'm 24 from Orange County, and I do OnlyFans, and I'm a dance.
	All right.
	Welcome back, Nicolette.
	What about you?
	I'm Julie.
	I'm 25.
	I'm from Vancouver, BC.
	Oh, wow.
	Okay.
	Mike Davis donated $100.
	I'm glad she didn't say black cause.
	I would have passed her right onto them spikes.
	BTW, Brian.
	If you ever get banned on YouTube, you will always have an open job offer to flip burgers at one of my joints.
	That's Mike Davis right there.
	W?
	That's rough, buddy.
	W. Burger King.
	He owns like 100 Burger Kings.
	They're chicken-fried.
	Thank you, man.
	Yeah, you know, look, the YouTube thing might not, you know, always, you know, who knows what is in the cards, I guess.
	So I'll probably just disappear.
	Move to Hawaii.
	Anyways, go ahead.
	Julie, 25 from Vancouver, BC.
	I'm a full-time student in accounting, and I also do OnlyFans.
	What do you think of Pierre Polivier?
	I need to look into it more, but listen, all politicians today are kind of crazy.
	Yeah?
	They're all crazy.
	Do you prefer him over Trudeau?
	They're both terrible choices.
	They're both terrible?
	Okay.
	All right.
	I don't know anything about Canadian politics.
	Nobody does.
	Not even Canadians.
	What about you?
	Oh, wait, actually, you described yourself as a certified E-Whore.
	I thought it was E-Sluck.
	So, what makes you OnlyFans?
	Brian, you're fat as fuck, bro.
	Come run the South Bay 24 with me to embrace pain and suffering.
	Jojo, you said you'd run, but never got back to me.
	You're fake, and now you must run the South Bay 24.
	Damn, did you.
	Did you?
	I said I would run a marathon.
	He gave me earned a half a marathon.
	Did you stand him up?
	No, what happened was he said, Would you run a half marathon?
	I was like, Oh, yeah, I would do that.
	And then he was like, Okay, this is the date and location.
	I was like, I didn't know he meant like with him in person, like at this event.
	This is crazy.
	Crazy.
	I just thought, it's crazy.
	There's a chance I could be murdered.
	Thank you, Chase.
	You know what I mean?
	Yeah, definitely.
	Well, I mean, look, I can tell you personally, I've actually.
	You know, Bronaissance?
	Yeah, I've met Bronaissance.
	He's a very good guy.
	He's a good man.
	He's only.
	I'll keep that in mind next time.
	Yeah, I mean, one time we were camping, right?
	And he did save me from like a pack of no, no, no.
	It was the coyotes.
	But it was they were, it was not just one, like, one coyote I could fuck up.
	But if there's like 10 of them, it was like a pack of coyotes.
	Yeah.
	Those things are, you know.
	How did he save you?
	A pistol.
	Yeah.
	He's a good shot.
	10 coyotes with a pistol?
	Yeah, sure.
	He's a sharpshooter.
	Wow.
	He brought an empty $69.
	Hello, Brian.
	Yeah, thank you.
	Coming from England, huge respect for keeping patience with these 340.
	But keeping the patriarchy going as hard as I can.
	Keep it based.
	Isn't the UK lost?
	What's that song by the Kinks?
	Killer of Cereal donated.
	$69.
	Panel, what's up, ladies?
	And Brian, question: What is the most embarrassing thing you can remember doing or happening to you on any dates?
	What's the most embarrassing thing you can remember doing or happening to you on any dates?
	Most embarrassing.
	I'll save that after the introductions, but I'm just going to write it down, okay?
	Kill of Cereal gets to see you in the chat.
	Good to see you back.
	Thank you.
	Major Scumbag donated $69.
	I'll be overhead aisle of visitor in an F-18 within the hour.
	If you need close air support, I got you.
	No need for your coordinates.
	The snail trail leaves can be seen.
	Oh, fuck.
	That was really loud.
	My bad.
	The snail trail these trumpets leave behind can be seen from space from space, bro.
	Trans women are men, and it would be gay for a straight man to date one.
	Yes, you can be racist towards white people.
	FJB.
	All right, free Trump.
	Thank you, Trump 2024.
	Okay.
	Sons of Liberty, thank you.
	Thank you.
	Appreciate it.
	We got another one coming in.
	I'll try to get through these intros.
	It's just one after the other.
	Thank you guys so much for your support.
	Appreciate it.
	Daniel donated $69.
	Okay.
	Women lose their innocence when they sell themselves.
	My friend used to say that every time he banged a prostitute, he took a bit of their soul.
	What though?
	Do OnlyVans girls lose part of themselves too?
	It's just you two who have OF, right?
	W?
	Do you guys just, I guess, simple question.
	Do you guys feel you've lost part of your soul?
	I didn't have a soul before I started.
	That checks out.
	Okay, what about you, Nicolette?
	No, I think I still have a soul.
	Still have a soul?
	I've lost a soul sword.
	I think you're preserving your value as a woman when you saw yourself online.
	Yeah, it doesn't matter to me.
	You think you're worth $5 a month?
	Well, mine is $17.
	$25.
	I did it right, Nadley.
	It's $17.
	Not even in the triple digits, still in the double digits.
	Well, it caps out at 50 a month.
	I wouldn't know.
	I've never been on OnlyFans, so yes, you got me there.
	Yeah.
	I feel like this conversation can continue.
	Keep going.
	Keep going.
	Go ahead, Madley.
	No, I'm just curious.
	Do you think it's cool to consider yourself an e-whore?
	Are you proud of that?
	No, I think it's a joke.
	It's just funny.
	It's just stupid.
	You think it's funny to demean yourself as an under?
	Yeah.
	Yes, I do.
	It's funny.
	It's funny.
	I'm just curious.
	Maybe you don't get the joke.
	What's so funny about it?
	Some jokes aren't for everyone.
	So could you explain it?
	Yeah, whores, it's funny.
	It's fun to be a whore.
	It's funny.
	No, no, it's funny.
	Funny to be a whore.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Do you ever plan on having a family, having kids?
	Do you want to get married?
	I'll see when I get there.
	I don't know.
	Whatever happens, happens.
	Living in the moment.
	Sure, why not?
	Okay, wow.
	That's pretty depressing.
	That's fine.
	I'm chilling.
	I'm good with that.
	So I've never seen someone so flippantly be okay with selling their body or soul online.
	I'm chilling.
	$17 a month.
	Sorry, how many dollars a month?
	It's $20.
	No I am underscore drinking underscore game donated $69.
	Taking shots whenever Brian says, it occurs to me, good times, answer the question.
	Can you move your mic that way?
	I have a neck injury.
	Blacked out.
	I need to do like a whatever bingo thing that it's like there's going to be a one for grid one motorsports.
	There's going to be a one for move the mind.
	The Bronx is donated $69.
	Jojo and Brian, I need a yes or no to the race request.
	Question for the panel.
	Israel or Palestine?
	No, the king.
	Who are you looting for?
	Bro, I hope both sides have a great time.
	Damn, bro.
	Come on, bro, Naissance.
	bro how are you gonna how are you gonna like i'm talking just answer the running question I'm talking you up, dude.
	I'm trying to say you fought off.
	$69.
	Coyotes.
	Woman to the right is extremely based.
	Give her all the time.
	Wait, who's...
	I don't know, right?
	I don't see you.
	It's probably you.
	It's right on the bottom.
	It's probably not going to be a bad thing.
	Dude, I think it's a lot of fun.
	I like that $20.
	Thank you, Burgess.
	Appreciate it.
	Do you guys want to continue on with your little back and forth there?
	Go ahead.
	We didn't answer Bonazance.
	Hers is $20.
	Yeah, not $17.
	$20.
	Sally Brian Sava donated $69.
	Maddie will be on Twitch.
	Maddie is starting Twitch.
	Maddie on Twitch.
	Maddie's Twitch.
	Maddie is a 10.
	You need to, instead of is a 10, you should have just said in French.
	Actually, I shouldn't even say it because it's kind of like, you know.
	Okay, anyways, whatever.
	Go ahead, guys, if you want to continue with your little back and forth there for a second.
	What else there is to continue with?
	I mean, she's just going to call me a whore and be like, yeah?
	Well, so then what's so, for someone who doesn't think that being a whore is great, what is so empowering about being a whore do you?
	I didn't say it was empowering.
	Okay, so if it's not empowering, what about it makes it great?
	I'm just getting my bills paid and finishing school.
	So it's just for money.
	So would you be okay with, I don't know, being a hitman just because of the money?
	You don't look at the money more.
	I got bills to pay.
	I need food to eat.
	I feel like you're okay killing people.
	Mike Davis donated $69.
	If you want to meet the legend Mike Davis, I'm a Trump mega donor, and I might even give out some bread to some of you brokeies.
	Dude, Mike Davis, good to see you in the chat, man.
	It's been a while.
	I haven't seen you in a while.
	You know, you're always welcome here at whatever.
	And by the way, you know, if the whole Burger King thing never works out, you're welcome to come and, you know, be my personal assistant here in the whatever podcast studio.
	Just saying.
	Okay, anyways.
	So I think you guys were talking about murder, a murder for hire, which you'd be an assassin.
	And I think you said you need your bills paid, so you would do that.
	Yeah.
	You might not want to respond to that on a live show, but I digress.
	What's up?
	I might do murder.
	In game, in-game.
	In-game.
	I would not murder for hire.
	And this is why you went to the market.
	Thank you for clarifying.
	Thank you for clarifying, Nicolette.
	Appreciate it.
	I don't really know how to engage with that.
	Apparently, I'm going to get you.
	Burgess donated $660.
	No, I wouldn't.
	Purple.
	If someone paid me actually known.
	Not for you.
	Looking forward to her input.
	Okay, cool.
	Thank you, man.
	Thank you, Burgess.
	Good to see you.
	Oh, the Kinks song, Living on the Thin Line.
	This is for Burgess, right?
	You said something about, let me see, coming from England, things are hard over here.
	Things are hard in England.
	So you should listen to the song Living on the Thin Line by the Kinks.
	LeBron Aces donated $69.
	Answer the first one.
	South Bay 24.
	Israel or Palestine.
	This is for you.
	No, no, it's for you.
	He said, Brian and JoJo.
	Are you going to discuss two?
	Yes.
	November.
	No, no, no.
	Are we running the South Bay 24?
	Oh, answer that.
	Yeah, I keep saying, ignore the second part.
	Answer the first part.
	No, I'm not.
	I'm not.
	It's kind of far.
	Kirby's been training.
	She needs to do it.
	Well, I need a few more months, you know.
	I can't train for a marathon that soon.
	He said it's a mega marathon.
	Mega marathon.
	He said something like that.
	So to Burgess, the lyrics from the Kinks song, Living on the Thin Line.
	It's a British band, by the way.
	All the lives of the people running around, their castles have burned.
	I see change.
	Oh, wait, hold on.
	Hold on.
	Wait, fuck.
	I fucked it up.
	Where is it?
	Wait, now another century.
	Now another century nearly gone.
	What are we going to leave for the young?
	Wait, God damn.
	That's not even it.
	Come on.
	Oh, no.
	Something about all the castles burned, all these wars.
	Wait.
	Oh.
	Oh, oh, no.
	Okay, I'll start at the end of the day.
	Answer the question: Israel or Palestine in Call of Duty.
	1v1 on Rust.
	I'll destroy him on Rust.
	I will destroy him on Rust.
	What a way to get around it.
	Yeah, right.
	I was like, what a way to get it.
	I'm destroying anyone.
	Sorry, bro.
	We were up till 3 in the morning playing.
	Thank you, Illinois boy.
	Yeah.
	I'm the only one playing the recent versions.
	Eh, not really interested in discussing the conflicts.
	Anonymous donated $69.
	Natalie, you call out a girl, but you are not modest at all.
	Sieg, for example.
	Do you want to address that?
	Sure, and I want to finish.
	Sure, sure.
	I don't sell myself online, so there's a complete difference.
	The job that I have, I know we haven't gotten to it yet, but it's for my brain and my investigative reporting.
	So I'm content with how I present myself online, and I don't think there's anything super wrong with living your life in a way, not necessarily just to attract male attention.
	I'm not gay, so I like guys, I don't think there's anything really wrong with looking nice and presenting yourself in a feminine way.
	So yeah, I'm really fine with how I present myself.
	We should pull up her Instagram.
	No, they subscribed to her OF for her brain.
	Obviously, I'm going to use my brain to take these angles.
	I'm going to get the right angles for the photos.
	That's all the brain work.
	Yeah, I was just curious: what do you think of your subscribers?
	Do you respect them or do you just look at them as a vessel for cash, basically?
	I don't like, I mean, I don't really message.
	I don't really go on.
	I'm like, I just talk about it.
	I know the people who pay for your pictures, like, do you, you don't really care?
	You're just photos, and if they want to subscribe, they can.
	They don't have to.
	But what's your opinion on them?
	Come on.
	Yeah, like, I'm saying, what do you think of them?
	They're chilling?
	Like me?
	Would you date any of them?
	If it's the right man.
	I've dated a chatter before.
	That might have been a mistake, but.
	Can I ask a quick question?
	What?
	A chatter.
	Like a Twitch dog.
	That's not a situation, right?
	Sorry, Twitch lingo, Twitch lingo.
	Can I ask a quick question?
	Did you say that you, like, in your future, you see, like, you want a husband and kids?
	No, I said I'll see when I get there.
	Do you think you're maybe precluding yourself from ever being able to have that by having a family?
	No, I don't think so.
	So does every hobby ever.
	People settle.
	I don't think that's a good thing.
	Certain people don't want to date people on podcasts.
	There's people that she's not going to be able to do that.
	Yeah, but I would say if you're not, but there's plenty of people she won't.
	They don't want to date me because I have OnlyFans.
	I don't give a shit.
	I agree.
	I think it's a sad state of the world that probably 10 years from now having an OnlyFans will not be like a cardinal sin.
	It'll probably be more normalized.
	But nonetheless, do you think the quality of man that you're going to attract by doing OnlyFans, do you think there's going to be any effect on that given that you're not going to be able to do that?
	She's not quality.
	She doesn't.
	I don't care.
	I mean, not as much as like you're cutting down the type of guys you attract by wearing that top.
	So I feel like we're wearing a lot of people.
	I think we're wearing a cover.
	Yeah, but I'm not talking down.
	I'm not talking down on women who are.
	I don't sell my body for money.
	You just do it for free.
	I don't sell my body.
	Shocking.
	Right.
	It's better to do it for free.
	Understood.
	I don't sell my body.
	And by the way, if you want to go down the financial route, the average OnlyFans creator makes about $150 a month, so that's not really worth it.
	I'm not the average creator.
	They make more.
	Hello, guys.
	Well, so congrats, you're part of the people who are perpetuating the pyramid scheme that is OnlyFans.
	So you're at the top earning money while the rest of the girls who are buying into it are selling.
	Do you know what a pyramid scheme is?
	TTS is sponsored by the school.
	No, she does.
	Yeah, she's just buying into it.
	Me personally, I tell people, I've had people from my hometown be like, how do I set this up?
	I'm like, don't do it.
	Don't get an OnlyFans.
	Don't.
	If you don't want to pay me a lot of money.
	But I think you sitting here laughing about it, acting like your life as an OnlyFans creator is so awesome and you just make money from it.
	In effect, it's normalizing.
	I didn't say it was awesome, but I think it's funny.
	And by the way, I do know what a pyramid scheme is.
	When you give people your referral codes, you do get a percent off of the first year.
	I don't advertise my referral.
	Okay, well, you might not, but other people do.
	That's fine if they want to.
	I mean, I just don't personally do it.
	And my critique of OnlyFans as a pyramid scheme is a bit more niche.
	It's not in its typical sense.
	I think what it is having women buy into, it's not that you're having them buy a bunch of products and start selling it to people.
	You're having them basically demean themselves and give up their value and have such low self-worth that they can sell and think that it's not.
	I personally don't think most women should not join.
	Most women shouldn't have an OnlyFans.
	And I advertise towards men, not other women, to make OnlyFans.
	Hey, whoever wants to subscribe to the business.
	Were you wanting to make OnlyFans?
	No, to like subscribe.
	I'm saying the pyramid scheme is on the creator side.
	I understand, but you're having the conversation with the wrong OnlyFans creator because neither of us do that.
	Neither of us do referrals.
	I don't think that's a good idea.
	Okay, well, that doesn't negate the fact that there are people who do.
	I'm not necessarily attacking them.
	Yeah, yeah.
	No, no, no.
	And your point is understood, but we can't continue further if we don't do that.
	Well, I mean, we could try to argue, but, yeah, I can't really argue because I don't understand it because I don't do referrals, so I can't give you, like, a, you know.
	Well, I was just maybe then to bring it to something that you guys can't talk about.
	Why do you guys think that you are uniquely cut out to do OnlyFans?
	Like, why are you, like, why are you doing that?
	I mean, it's pretty damaging to your mental health and shit, to be honest.
	So why do you cook?
	I was genuinely cool.
	I said I was cooked already before I started.
	Cooked.
	Do your parents know you do it?
	Yeah.
	What do they think?
	They're like super old and Christian, so they don't like it, but they don't say anything about it.
	I mean, I went into foster care.
	Like, I went into foster care, so whatever my parents have to say about it, it doesn't matter.
	I'll just walk away.
	Interesting.
	Different lives for different people.
	Abigail, do you have any thoughts on the OF stuff?
	Ooh, voice crack, nice.
	I do.
	I, of course, don't think selling your body online is something to be proud of.
	But I will say, I don't think they make a bad point when they mention the top that you're wearing being selling for the past.
	I thought it was fine.
	I have nothing wrong with purple.
	It looks fine.
	Let me say, anything not amusing is important.
	Especially if you're going to talk down on somebody not being modest.
	First of all, this is from Beyond Yoga, which is like the world's most popular workout brand ever.
	It's not like it's some niche.
	When I wear workout clothes, I put a big t-shirt over.
	Oh, yeah, workout clothes aren't modest.
	They're not very modest.
	Like sports bras and things.
	They target the business.
	I don't really think it's problem.
	Honestly, I have a high enough self-worth and my intelligence that I am okay wearing a like marginally low-cut shirt.
	Yeah.
	I honestly, as the OnlyFans whore here, I really don't think it's a problem that you like.
	Also, honestly, if you're surprised by asking, I'm on here with some very offensive, provocative shirt.
	I feel like no, you're just wearing a shirt.
	If we switch tops, it's going to look a lot different on me.
	That's all I'm saying.
	Okay, we get it.
	What do you mean?
	I don't even, what does that even mean?
	She's busty.
	I'm saying, you heard leche bags in the first comment.
	Are you guys competing over the next one?
	We got a pissing card.
	I got the biggest, also, like, it's, it's, it's, it's on, like, I. What I do is different from what you guys do.
	Even if I was wearing a shirt that was down to here, that doesn't negate the fact that I'm not selling myself online for $20 a month.
	Are you online right now?
	Have I ever been online yet?
	No, you may not be selling yourself, but are you online?
	I co-host one of the largest political podcasts in the country.
	It's on TV.
	So, yes, I guess online.
	Gotcha, bitch.
	What podcast is it?
	It's called, oh no, we're ahead of it.
	Wait, Abigail, you object to what Natalie's wearing?
	I do.
	I think if you're going to talk about modesty and selling yourself online, which I agree with everything you said, but I would say, I mean, your cleavage is out on the internet.
	And so it doesn't put you in a position to be able to get a bunch of people.
	You want it with the girl?
	What do you want?
	You want Natalie in a burger out here?
	What do you mean?
	I will say, the last time I was on here and Brian pulled on my Instagram, I live, I'm from the beach.
	People are like, how dare she wear a bikini and called me a whore.
	Wait, I did not.
	No, you didn't.
	Some people in the chat did.
	Okay, you're from the bottom of the business.
	I'm from the beach.
	Like, what is that?
	I feel like your tank top is fine.
	Also, like, I take it I'm a little different in the sense that I know a lot of girls come on here and probably sit in this chair like hardcore, like Trad wife, trad life, trad life.
	And I'm not saying that I'm not.
	I am definitely more traditional, but like I come at it from a space more of thinking that the push to have women subscribe to OnlyFans and be feminists and take that whole approach to life is sort of a kind of top-down propaganda campaign coming from like globalist corporations that want to suppress the birth rate and all that.
	I won't worry, I won't get you demonetized.
	But it comes more from that as opposed to from a religious point of view.
	So I'm not, I know this might be a lot, but I'm not saying that like I'm some hardcore, like, oh, I just want to be in the kitchen baking cookies.
	I just don't like what you guys are doing because I think it is destroying society and making gender norms very skewed to the point where it's not productive for a staple society in terms of monogamous relationships.
	Again, I'm not saying that I am not religious or I'm not Christian or anything like that, but I don't come at it maybe from the same angle that you guys do.
	Again, I'm really stand by what I'm wearing.
	I don't really think it's anything that bad, but I think maybe a little different from like your typical trad person and that I just approach it from a different angle.
	Yeah, okay, question.
	So you know, summertime, southern California.
	It's hot here.
	I've been traveling for a week and I have like no clue.
	It's hot.
	It's been hot.
	Hold on.
	How does OnlyFans are going to be a little bit more difficult?
	Oh, Abigail.
	Abigail's coming from Natalie, Natalie's coming from Natalie.
	Everybody's fine.
	No one's coming for anyone.
	So, how does OnlyFans?
	Let's get everybody's intro, and then we'll come back to the OF topic.
	So, you introduced yourself, certified what?
	EHORE.
	Okay.
	That was a wild ride.
	There were only five people in.
	Go ahead.
	Hi, my name is Nikki.
	I'm 28 years old from Los Angeles, and I was a project manager for a space and defense company.
	All right, welcome.
	Hello, my name is Malia.
	I'm 27.
	I'm from Los Angeles.
	I work in OnlyFans Management, and I also sometimes switch stream if I get really bored, but I'm from the 805 originally.
	San Luis Obispo?
	Carpineria.
	Oh, Carp.
	Okay.
	Oh, you're from Santa Barbara.
	Okay.
	County, anyways.
	Yeah.
	My name's Alyssa.
	I'm 24.
	I'm a student and a stay-at-home wife.
	All right.
	Welcome.
	What are you studying?
	Political science.
	I'm finishing in December.
	Okay.
	I'm Abigail.
	I'm 20, and I am a leasing agent, and occasionally I coach boys' gymnastics.
	I'm also from Washington State.
	Did you do gymnastics growing up?
	I did, yes.
	Okay.
	All right.
	I just have to add, our necklies are like the same length.
	Yeah, debatable.
	That's exactly why it's different.
	But, okay, I digress.
	You look beautiful.
	It's just so fun.
	And I also have to say that.
	You have cleavage in its skin height.
	That's the two.
	That's what people would call it.
	I look conservative as hell right now because I got him.
	Anyway, he's ugly.
	I am Natalie Winters.
	I don't know why I said her last name.
	I co-host Steve Bannon's War Room.
	I'm from Santa Monica.
	I live in Palm Beach, Florida now, and I'm 23.
	All right.
	Welcome.
	Welcome, everybody.
	I paused the TTS there temporarily just so they could have the back and forth.
	There's like 10 that are just in the queue, so it's just going to be rapid fire.
	Salu Brian Sam donated 69 crazy crazy bro.
	Chef Umenga de Plot de Madison.
	Chev untrisusa de la cuum de franquis paur gutte de plotte de madison.
	Hashtag parda homo.
	Can you translate for us?
	Mayor C. Buku.
	Okay.
	What does this mean?
	Good stuff?
	What else?
	Salope.
	Jamapel they get.
	Loose pussy energy donated $69.
	Thank you.
	Brian, these simps don't know how to read the room or take a hint.
	Holy shit.
	That pigtail chick not interested.
	Move the fuck on Bronze and Simp.
	Fucking weirdos.
	Hashtag cringing hashtag free nick number eight at 18.
	Hashtag free neck.
	Hey, I'm very interested in running half a marathon.
	It's just Mike Davis donated $69.
	Who cares about Israel or Palestine?
	New Goofy, it's America first tall day.
	Everyday land of the free home of the brave.
	All right.
	Thank you, Mike Davis.
	America. America. Cannibal.
	You got it.
	Easy.
	Berg donated $69.
	Acquiring money always comes at a cost.
	Often when money seems to come in easy, there are costs that you or all will have to pay in one way or another.
	Easy now, hard later.
	Hard now.
	Easy later.
	Yes.
	Well put, Seaberg.
	Well put.
	What is it?
	What do they say?
	Fast money comes with fast problems.
	Kill of cereal.
	I'm request.
	Oh, wait, this is below the throne.
	Okay.
	That's just one of the tens.
	Kipples donated $69.
	Maddie is a 1,000.
	Okay it's over 9,000 All right, thank you appreciate it kiddles good to see you in the chat man.
	I recognize the name I think it's been a while.
	Thank you appreciate it.
	We have another one coming in here in just a moment Nick did we hide the uh that suit that came in I should have probably salu Brian Sava donated $69 Madison Est Parfait cherve umge de plot de Madison chervoltrisusa de conde franke de la plot de madison just paul coute madison hashtag par de home bro that's ridiculous
	that's ridiculous bro that's rough buddy oh boy i'm gonna change it after this while boy donated 69 dollars brian where's the cat fight sound i don't i need one i need a like i thought you had one before no we have uh we just do it ourselves That's terrible.
	We have that's pretty good.
	I don't really we need something like that.
	Yeah, unfortunately we don't, but uh, i'm gonna get that.
	I'm gonna get to that in for sure.
	Illinois boy donated 69 dollars.
	No offense, but can we put a cap on the conversation and be courteous and let the other guests introduce themselves?
	It's funny that you have that pic of Mike Davis on standby for the show.
	Uh yeah, you know.
	Look he's he's.
	Mike Davis is an OG I most of you guys don't know.
	He's been around since, like anonymous, donated 69 dollars.
	Would it be too early to pop a bottle?
	Never too early, never too.
	We need that.
	It's her graduation pop.
	It's um, it's her graduation, her birthday, and it's tuesday, and it's tuesday.
	Yeah, it's a tuesday and we're on vacation, because that's relevant.
	Yeah, we're on vacation only huh uh so Anon, a non anonymous.
	Yeah man uh, it's only right that I share this.
	One time a girl's cat looked my bro.
	Don't read that.
	That's crazy ironic.
	That's crazy man, Salu Brian.
	Sarva donated 69 dollars.
	Brian, does TTS not allow French?
	Actually bro, double UTF here.
	Salute, if you send one in.
	If you send one in, I'll switch it to a French TTS thing temporarily.
	You gotta make sure though, whatever you send, I'm not gonna the fucking vile, vulgar shit you've been sending, send in something like Evil Underscores.
	Donated $69.
	I thought only fans was for hot chicks to make money.
	All the hottest girls, starting with Maddie, do not have enough, but the female, Shrek and the skeleton do.
	Which one's Shrek first off.
	You misspelled Shrek, bro.
	Don't, don't put some respect on Shreko.
	Donated $69.
	Purple shirt.
	Degenerate black hair evelling in sin giddy, it seems, at the thought of morals.
	They sell themselves sad.
	I wonder what, if any, morals does she have left?
	Wait to, I think, to me by that, I think to me there was no drama in there.
	This purple shirt yeah, it's a dress and that my hair's brown, but you're also a dipstick, so make it work, okay anonymous.
	Donated 69.
	Thank you, Brian.
	Has a girl ever touched your star hole and did you like it?
	Starting early?
	Answer up, we're starting early.
	this is a godless chat time to up that tts it's turning red right guys yeah anyway it's turning kind of red nah that's not my thing man sorry anonymous not my thing but hey if you like it if you like it evil underscore is underscore i'll donated 69 dollars i thought only The hottest girls here, starting with Maddie the 10th, have no wall.
	But female shrek and skeletor forms.
	Skeletor.
	I'll take skeleton.
	Google a photo of skeletor, please.
	No, no.
	That might actually be me.
	Google Skeletor.
	They might be right.
	Uh-oh.
	All right, guys.
	I've bumped it up.
	It might actually be me.
	It's now $200 TTS.
	Whoa.
	And then $100 to read.
	I'll still do the French one if you want to get one in.
	What's it called?
	I'll do the French one if you want to get one in, but you have to do it at the threshold or whatever.
	Let me just make sure everything has been changed up.
	So going around the table once more, what's everybody's current relationship status?
	They didn't finish introductions.
	Yeah, we did.
	We did.
	We did?
	Oh, you're crazy.
	You got to lay off the.
	Yep.
	You got to lay off the whatever you're smoking.
	Okay.
	So current relationship status.
	Are you single, talk and stay, situationship, friends with benefits, whatever?
	If you're single, how long have you been single?
	And what's the longest relationship you've ever been in?
	Starting with you guys.
	Single for two years.
	I had a four-year relationship.
	You've been single for two years?
	Yeah.
	In the two-year period, have you had anything?
	I don't date.
	I said this last time I was on.
	I don't date.
	I wanted to finish school before because I don't know where I'm going to end up with my job.
	Are you going to get your PhD?
	Because you have your master's, right?
	Well, I just got it last Friday.
	Yeah.
	So I'm open to dating now.
	No, I'm.
	Okay, so you got your master's, though, correct?
	Are you going to go get your PhD or are you happy with your master's?
	I might in like after I work for a while.
	I want to go into the workfield now.
	Okay, so no dating in two years.
	No.
	You haven't even been on a date?
	No.
	I went on one date.
	What about a like?
	Because some people wouldn't consider a date if you just went over to a guy's house, had sex with him, and never talked to him again.
	So have you had that?
	That's crazy.
	I don't consider that a date.
	Do you consider that a date?
	Depends on definitions, but did you have that?
	Maybe.
	That sounds like a yes or no.
	Okay, so how many?
	When's the last?
	Was that your MO?
	So you wouldn't be in a relationship, but you just have casual sex then?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	All right.
	So you have not been celibate for two years.
	For two years.
	No, I haven't.
	You've been single for two years, but you haven't been celibate for two years.
	Yes.
	So what's the longest period of time that you would be seeing a guy for that two-year period?
	Wait, the longest?
	Like maybe you saw a guy for a month.
	Yeah.
	Or was it all one-night stands?
	No, I usually was like, I saw them a few times, but.
	And then never again.
	Yeah, I usually.
	Like two or three times.
	Yeah.
	And then you get bored or they get bored.
	Yeah.
	Mostly them.
	No.
	I usually ghost people.
	It's like I freak out a little bit.
	I'm going to freak out.
	Because it's like, it's like, I don't want to continually talk to them because I know it's, it's, first of all, I don't want to date them.
	Second of all, it's like it feels safer in the moment that you continually talk to them, but they're probably talking to them.
	Like, I don't like sleeping around with multiple people at once because I feel gross doing that.
	So I will talk to them continually, but I have the realization they're doing it too.
	So I'm like, I don't want to continue this.
	Okay.
	Cool.
	Good times.
	So when's the last time you had one of these rendezvous?
	Like a month ago.
	Okay.
	Did you have a roster?
	It was a roster.
	Like you'd be seeing multiple people at the same time.
	I just said I don't do that.
	Okay, but you would just have like one after the other.
	No, casual sex.
	No, like I took like a lot of months off like off of things.
	A hiatus.
	A sabbatical.
	You took a few months of a sabbatical.
	You know what it is.
	It's okay.
	All right.
	Okay.
	I could say my body count real quick.
	Yeah, sure.
	Eight.
	It's not like crazy or anything like that.
	If you don't press the times three button, don't do this.
	Multiply it by three.
	I swear.
	Thank you for reminding me, actually.
	I wasn't even going to press it.
	I wasn't going to press it, but then you're like, oh, give me the.
	I said, don't do that.
	Okay, so, all right.
	And, well, now that you're graduated, are you ready to step away from your strumpet life and get serious?
	Don't do it.
	I'm like terrified to go on dates because like even with like you're terrified to go on dates.
	Yes.
	But you're not terrified to just go over to a dude's house and sexual intercourse with them.
	It's to me very different because it's like with dates, you're like more an emotional attachment.
	I don't get emotionally attached to people like that.
	So to be clear, if you sit across from somebody at the table and you have a conversation with them.
	Well, yeah, you've learned more about their personality.
	Like a man can literally be inside you and you feel nothing.
	Whoa, that's a crazy phrasing.
	Not physically, I mean emotionally.
	Emotionally, yeah.
	So a man, you could be like kissing a man, looking him in the eyes.
	He's literally inside you.
	You don't know anything about their personality.
	Literally inside you.
	You sleep with a woman.
	And you feel nothing.
	Yeah, emotionally.
	Like, yeah, emotional attachment.
	Bro, you're what was the term you use?
	Cooked?
	Cooked?
	Yeah.
	She's cooked.
	You're cooked.
	I just.
	It's over.
	How is it over?
	Okay.
	It's like you actually learn about personality.
	Yeah.
	Get the rocks.
	Get the rocks.
	Sorry, go ahead.
	You learn about the personality, right?
	And you get more attached.
	Yes?
	Or are you only about looks kind of personality?
	I'm not sure what you're talking about.
	I'm saying, okay.
	Looks-wise, sure, you can like go hook up with a chick, but you're there long-term for like personality, usually, right?
	Because you guys get along and like, yes?
	What's your question?
	My question is: are you there for a girl's looks?
	Are you only?
	Yes.
	Hold on.
	Sally Brian Sauvant donated 200.
	Hold on.
	I'll switch it to French.
	Hold on.
	So continue on with your thing.
	I'll pull it back up.
	Go ahead.
	Well, it was a question on you.
	If you're talking to a girl and you, let's say, sleeping with someone just for the looks versus the actual longevity of like personality, right?
	You rather you get along with them personality-wise.
	And that's why you get attached is because what?
	What's their personality?
	You're attached to their actual being with them rather than just their physical appeal.
	Wait, I don't really understand your point.
	I'm asking you a question.
	I only sleep with girls who I have an interest in dating long term.
	Okay.
	Well, she's gonna go, fuck.
	Oh, okay.
	Let's calm down.
	But so what?
	Can't I have my college face, please?
	Do you have a different person?
	Also, I mean, also, there's a differential.
	Do you have a college face?
	There's a differential here.
	Do you have a college face?
	Hold on.
	Let me answer this question.
	I mean, there's a differential here between men and women.
	I think, what is it?
	Isn't it the case that women release oxytocin?
	Is it when they have sex, at least at higher rates than men will release oxygen?
	Oxytocin.
	I don't think she does.
	It's a bonding chemical.
	I don't think she does.
	Yeah, so for you to have been able to inhibit that, like typically you'll hear, like, men can typically have a bit more meaningless sex than, not to say that women can't have meaningless sex, but men are, I think, are more capable of.
	Compartmentalize a little more.
	But even for me, I mean, I don't, I don't have interest in just sleeping with a girl once and never talking to her again.
	So what's the point?
	Based.
	That's fine.
	But so you're telling us how you were cooked?
	No, no, no, you said that about me, but yeah.
	Oh, am I wrong?
	Cooked?
	What do you mean?
	In the future?
	Sure.
	I feel like my body count's not like crazy high or anything like that.
	Yeah, but you said you like have sex and feel nothing.
	Yeah, because I don't learn anything about them.
	I'm a very personality-headed person.
	Yeah, well, this, okay, so this stemmed from you saying, like, you feel first dates just like sitting across from a buddy, it's like across from somebody.
	Truthfully, I don't go on first dates, so how am I too?
	So, but so you've never been on a first date?
	I've been on like one first date in last year.
	And that's too intimate for you, is what you're saying.
	Yeah, in a way.
	Okay.
	Because you learn more about them, and that's why I also, when I do start dating, I would not be like sleeping with the people I'm dating because I feel like, like you said, it is a little bit more personal in a sense.
	That actually came through pretty good, but I was about to hear.
	Thank you, Nickelodeon.
	I switched it to the French voice really quick, so I'm going to trigger this one.
	One sec, guys.
	Nickelodeon, thank you, man.
	hope you're fine that it came through as a Frenchman.
	Salut, Brian, ça va.
	Donnate 200 dollars. 200.
	J'ai dit ces choses juste pour plaisanter.
	Hashtag pas vraiment.
	J'adore Maddy et de la podcast des Nathalie et Steve.
	As-tu déjà pensé à changer le mardi au mercredi pour que nous n'ayons pas à attendre?
	As-tu déjà pensé à changer le mardi au mercredi pour que nous n'ayons pas à attendre?
	Oh, he wants us to change the date from mardi au mercredi.
	No, we're going to stick to Sunday, Tuesday, but maybe in the future we'll add a Thursday.
	We'll add a Thursday.
	So three days, three shows a week.
	Thank you, man.
	Eh bien, s'il te plaît, je veux un peu de champagne.
	Eh bien, donc, tu dois, tu dois, c'est un mille dollars.
	Bien, mon français n'est pas très bien, mais les filles, il a, il est, oh my God, il a besoin de bouvoir le champagne, OK?
	Okay, tribien.
	Merci boucau, okay?
	All right, all right.
	Anyways, go ahead.
	I don't remember what I was saying.
	I think he means like separating sex and love for that long probably isn't the best way to go about things.
	No, I'm not.
	Great question.
	I have a question for you.
	But now that you've graduated, you are going to start dating seriously, right?
	Yes, I hope so.
	Okay.
	So are you going to make these dudes wait for sex?
	Yikes.
	That's a yikes.
	No, don't say.
	Good for you.
	Good for you.
	Wait, really?
	Yeah.
	Okay, well, we'll talk about that.
	But look, it's okay.
	Look, on one hand, Natalie's been here when we've talked about it.
	No, okay.
	That's crazy.
	Let me explain it in a one-way.
	Let me explain it in a way.
	It's like with the date and learning about each other's personalities, plus also sleeping with them, I feel like it's more of a chance of leading them on more and more.
	Versus you both know at, like, the initial, like, starting point, if you just sleep with each other and that's it.
	Like, you guys aren't, like, going to go and see each other after that.
	That's, I guess, my point of view where it's like...
	How do you know that?
	Well, if they ask me out, sure.
	But usually it's like, hey, they text me at 10 p.m.
	Hey, what's up?
	It's like, okay, you're going to ask me on a date at 10 p.m.
	So you think the guy who would otherwise be interested in you in a long-term relationship, if you have sex with him, that's going to be the deal breaker?
	No, I'm not going to be able to do that.
	Having sex with him.
	Like he otherwise would have, you know, if he's already made the determination that he wants to be in a long-term relationship with you, having sex with him is going to be the deal breaker?
	No, but I think you are able to deem whether they want just sex or they want long-term sometimes from like after a first date, you're able to tell, oh, if like, let's say I'm like, oh, I don't want to sleep with you first date, and then they never text you again, then you're like, okay, they're worried.
	You're kind of waiting out people who are not, they were never interested in it.
	And you also want to figure out, like, do I like you personality-wise?
	When you start sleeping with someone, it's hard to separate that.
	Do I like you or do I just like how you are in other areas?
	So, there's a lot of like weird.
	I mean, I, again, I don't date, so I don't know a lot of, like, it's gonna, I'm gonna feel it out when I get there, I guess.
	Okay, here, I'll read this chat really quick.
	Thank you, Matt.
	Appreciate it.
	John Green sounds like she's afraid of getting emotionally attached because she's worried they'll hurt her.
	So, she cuts it off before she can.
	That could be a possibility for sure.
	Okay.
	I wouldn't doubt that.
	All right, well, we'll talk about the whole like waiting thing in a little bit here, but your relationship status.
	I'm in a very loving situationship at the moment.
	With the guy from two nights ago?
	No.
	Wait, but the white guy from two nights ago?
	No.
	Yeah, I think that's how I would put it.
	Very, very loving.
	But there was a guy two nights ago?
	Yeah.
	Why isn't it a different relationship?
	Wait, okay, so how long have you been in this situation?
	I don't know.
	I like maybe a month.
	Oh.
	It's not very loving, then.
	Well, maybe it is.
	Sorry.
	What's your longest relationship?
	It's been like four years, on again, off again in high school.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	That was back in Vermont, correct?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	So you're in a loving situationship.
	For sure.
	Split it.
	Are you?
	So, well, I'm assuming you guys are not monogamous.
	Yes.
	We are.
	Yeah.
	You are monogamous.
	As of when?
	Probably not two days ago.
	No, she's not.
	We are not dating, but we are monogamous, apparently.
	What do you mean, apparently?
	Someone better at math has to explain this to me.
	Yeah.
	Maybe in the early stages of dating, maybe?
	Scoot your mic that way.
	Can I ask, like, what's loving about it if you guys aren't making it official?
	Like, not you.
	You.
	Go ahead.
	Like, what part of it makes it loving, like, the situationship, if you guys can't even label it, like, to be monogamous?
	Like, what makes it like loving?
	It might have been a little bit sarcastic.
	No, it's very complicated.
	I'm not sure what's going on.
	Like, I would probably like for it to be a relationship.
	And they are kind of like being a little hot and cold.
	So they also live in Arizona.
	So they're good.
	Have you guys met in person?
	Yes.
	How?
	He's from Oxnard, so he was like visiting around here.
	And yeah.
	So we met like that way and we spent like a few days together after it was supposed to be like a hookup situation.
	And then he went back home and we went on vacation together and here it is.
	You went on vacation together where?
	Joshua Tree.
	Okay.
	And you knew though going in that he was going back to Arizona, correct?
	Mm-hmm.
	I did, yeah.
	Okay.
	And so.
	Wait, hold on.
	Mexican guy?
	Okay.
	But you said, so wait, were you being sarcastic about it being monogamous?
	No, it's definitely monogamous.
	I think.
	You just went on a date two days ago with somebody else.
	And you're still on dating apps.
	How could it possibly be monogamous?
	Yeah, no, I'm not sure.
	I was told it was monogamous.
	What do you mean you were told it was monogamous?
	I was told it was monogamous.
	Okay.
	But by when you say you were told it was monogamous, he said what?
	He said, We are not in a relationship, but we're just seeing each other.
	And I said, Oh, okay.
	Red flag.
	Yeah, you deserve better, honey.
	It's okay.
	Wait, hold on.
	He said, We're just seeing each other.
	So he said, I'm just seeing you.
	And you said, okay, but you didn't make any representations about you not stopping.
	So he's monogamous, you're not.
	I think it might be the other way around sometimes.
	I don't know what that means.
	Me neither.
	You said you're monogamous, he's not.
	I think I don't know what's going on.
	I don't know.
	But you went on a date too dating.
	Yeah, you're not monogamous.
	You just went on a date.
	Words have meaning.
	Words have meaning.
	So you said you guys were monogamous.
	Yes, that's what he says.
	What do you say?
	Did you tell him you went on a date?
	Did you tell him you went on a date the other day?
	Perhaps not.
	Okay, so you should let him go.
	She also said that she just wanted a friend to hang out with, and she didn't do anything with this guy she went on a date with.
	Okay, she said friend and then she said date.
	What's going on here?
	Was it a hangout or a date?
	I was a guy to two days ago guy.
	We didn't like do anything.
	Like, we just hung out.
	So I would say we just hung out.
	Lol Paladins donated $200.
	Be the guy that women will sleep with on the first date.
	If she makes you wait, you're a chump.
	If she's attracted to you, she won't make you wait.
	These women at least have told you the truth.
	Yeah, truth is good.
	Truth is always good.
	Thank you, Lol Paladins.
	Very good to see you in the chat, man.
	You're a legend.
	Thank you.
	Okay, so you guys are not monogamous then?
	I don't know.
	When you say you hung out with somebody two nights ago, I guess he wasn't your ended up not being your type.
	I'm still confused by that because, I mean, I'm assuming he has pictures on his hinge profile.
	Yeah, no, I definitely knew I didn't like him.
	Oh, you were just like romantically?
	He was just like around and he was willing to hang out with me.
	And I said, okay.
	What day was it?
	What time of what day was it?
	I don't even know.
	I have no idea.
	Was it Sunday?
	Friday?
	Saturday?
	I don't know what was happening.
	Well, two days ago.
	Sunday.
	Okay.
	Did you guys hang out at night time?
	Yeah.
	Around what time?
	It was like 7.
	Okay, 7 p.m.
	Sounds like a police report.
	Yeah, for sure.
	He's taking notes too.
	Well, it's a bit different if you meet a girl for brunch versus it's 11 p.m. on a Friday and you're telling her to come over to your place.
	Little different dynamic there.
	So, in any case, okay.
	Did you sleep with him?
	No, absolutely not.
	Okay.
	So you've been in this situationship for one month.
	And you said you moved out here.
	Sorry, when?
	Like a year and a half ago.
	A year and a half ago.
	Okay, have you, in terms of like dating history and stuff, have you had anything longer term in that period?
	No, not really.
	I would say like not for lack of trying.
	It just like hasn't worked out.
	I feel like a lot of men, especially in this area, like around UCSB and Isla Vista, they're just not interested in that at all.
	And sometimes there's some dishonesty.
	But yeah, it's a lot of like late-night booty calls and you just figure it out.
	It's like take it or leave it.
	That's what's available.
	So obviously there are outliers, but like I would be dating men like 10 years older than me if I were to expect like an actual date in a courtship.
	Okay.
	All right, good to know.
	We'll come back to some of that later.
	What about you?
	I'm single.
	All right.
	What were the other questions?
	Longest relationship.
	How long have you been single?
	Longest relationship, seven years.
	And I kind of had a relationship recently, but it was only a month.
	So I don't know if I count that.
	All right.
	Sure.
	What about you?
	I'm single.
	My longest relationship was five and a half years.
	I've been single for like three months now.
	Yeah, last time you were on the show, you were in a relationship, right?
	Yeah, as soon as I got home, he dumped me.
	Good times.
	He didn't like the pod.
	Didn't like the pod at all.
	Yeah, as soon as I got home, he dumped me.
	He dumped you because of the shit you said.
	Not because of the podcast.
	As soon as we got home, though.
	But it was a shit show the entire weekend I was in LA.
	It was a whole shit show.
	What do you mean?
	Wait, it was a shit show with him or you?
	Yeah, with him.
	Wait, so you've been single for three months?
	Yeah.
	Wait, was it the five-year relationship?
	No, no, no, no.
	How long were you dating the guy that?
	Like seven months.
	It was online.
	Like, I only seen him a couple times.
	Have you had a rebound?
	No.
	Have you dated anybody since?
	No.
	Have you been on a date since?
	No.
	Have you hooked up with anybody since?
	No.
	So you've been celibate for three months?
	Three months, baby.
	Okay, so why did he dump you?
	He found a new OnlyFans chick.
	She had bigger tits.
	I couldn't compete.
	Watch!
	Okay.
	What was I supposed to do?
	What was I supposed to do?
	She was right there.
	I'm all the way in Canada.
	Couldn't compete.
	Where did he live?
	Texas.
	We went to Texas.
	It was awful.
	You were in a long distance, a different country relationship.
	That's what I said last time I was here.
	Yeah, I just.
	I know, it's crazy.
	I'll never do that again.
	Oops, learned my lesson.
	Okay.
	You buy it for a green card.
	Yeah.
	For a green card.
	Hey.
	Hit her up.
	All right.
	So how often would you see him?
	I saw him.
	We started dating in August.
	I saw him in October.
	I saw him in December.
	And I saw him in February.
	So you guys only saw each other three times?
	Yeah, and I flew away my third time.
	You flew to him, but would he pay?
	No.
	He paid the first time, but so I, no, so I came to Vegas and I paid my own ticket.
	And then when I saw him the first time, he paid.
	And then the second time I saw him, I paid.
	And then.
	Wait, did you do content with him?
	No.
	Like your OF content?
	I don't do.
	I don't do like BG?
	No, I don't do nudes.
	You don't do nudes?
	It's like lingerie.
	Yeah.
	Unless you subscribe and maybe you'll find out, you know, parental guidance.
	Sorry, sorry, bye-bye.
	Bye-bye.
	That was a joke.
	That was a joke.
	All right.
	Okay, so you've been single for three months.
	Are you looking or what's no?
	No?
	I'm just joking.
	What's your orientation?
	By curious.
	By curious?
	Have you ever dated a woman?
	No.
	I was in a relationship for two.
	Coming back this way, orientation.
	Gay for pay, but straight.
	But gay for pay is dope.
	Like, but straight?
	What is.
	But, but, yeah, that's it.
	Okay, okay.
	Because I don't know.
	I don't know what that is.
	No, I don't like anal, but I'm into men, but we'll for money.
	For money, I'll do like girl stuff.
	Have you done gay for pay?
	Yeah, not recently.
	Good shout out, Brian.
	How long?
	Orientation?
	I'm straight.
	Straight.
	All right, moving over to you, your relationship status.
	In a relationship.
	In a relationship, okay.
	How long have you guys been dating?
	Six months now?
	Six months.
	And last time you were on the show, you were not in a relationship.
	Is it getting pretty serious?
	This is the one you think?
	All right.
	Yeah, he's the best guy I know.
	Longest relationship you've ever been in?
	Five years.
	Five years.
	Okay.
	And when were you on the show?
	Like nine months ago, was it?
	Last summer, I think.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, it's been almost a year.
	I think maybe nine or ten months.
	Now, you were on the show almost a year ago.
	We talked about this a little bit in the chat.
	Here we go.
	And so you've been on the show before, and in your previous pre-show notes, and I think you talked about it on the show, you mentioned not having sex until marriage.
	And I think you kind of were big-upping her that she should wait for.
	No, no, no, she wasn't.
	She was actually adding on to my point.
	No, really.
	No, I was thinking she said, she's like, I want to get to know the person first before just jumping into a sexual relationship.
	And I said, yes, that's great.
	I know no one's going to go as extreme as I am right now, and it's really hard, but it's worth it.
	But I feel like it kind of cheapens the connection when you're like, oh, okay, we're just sleeping together.
	Yeah, that's good.
	It does.
	In a way.
	Yeah.
	Does it?
	No, in my way.
	In my opinion.
	I don't think it cheapens.
	I'm just, again, when I start dating, maybe my opinion was.
	Well, we'll get into that.
	But so, and you're Christian, right?
	Yes.
	What denomination?
	Non-denominational.
	Okay.
	You get into all the data.
	But in the pre-show notes, you said, don't have sex before marriage.
	And I don't recall the details.
	Did we talk about that on the show?
	We did.
	When you were on.
	I don't remember the exact back and forth, but you have been dating somebody for six months.
	And so I guess the question to you is: saved by the TTS.
	Sky blue top, your shirt has buttons.
	Every button used equals less.
	No, that's fine.
	Button that up.
	Yeah, button that up.
	That's fine.
	You don't.
	Nah, button that up.
	Safety first.
	Wait, is it going to read it?
	Sacagawea.
	To Sacagawea next to her, Auburn dress with white flower print and Maddie.
	Men would kill for women like you.
	So Sacagawea?
	Oh, I'm not wearing a green dress.
	I was like, who's wearing a flower?
	Okay, evil is real.
	Thank you, bro.
	Saka Tree is a great name.
	Appreciate it.
	Okay, anyways, back to this.
	So you said, don't have sex before marriage.
	You were previously single when you were last on the show.
	You've been dating somebody for six months.
	So have you stuck to the, I guess, the not having sex before marriage?
	It is really hard.
	It's super hard.
	Have not been perfect, but we're both in agreement that this is the right thing to do.
	Wait, what do you mean?
	Yeah.
	We have not been perfect.
	We're doing a little something, but not all that.
	Yeah, it's not all the way, but it's super hard.
	You know, when you're in love with someone and you're really compatible, like this is your best friend.
	It's really hard not to want to share every single part of yourself in that way.
	But I believe that it should be reserved for a very strong commitment, a covenant.
	That's what marriage is.
	Is he that way too?
	Yes.
	So, I mean, but it's still hard.
	I'm not saying, like, oh, yeah, it's totally fine.
	And anyone who doesn't do this is stupid.
	Not at all.
	This is really difficult.
	And if I could find a way around this, I would.
	Have you heard of the people loophole?
	No!
	You can't.
	Anyway.
	Well, so in your notes, you said, we haven't been perfect, but we both agree on abstaining as the way to go.
	I mean, so a little clarification there.
	So you said it's been really hard?
	Yeah, it's difficult.
	I really like him.
	He's a good-looking guy.
	He's the best guy I know.
	But, you know, it's not easy to be around him sometimes.
	So you guys have had carnal knowledge?
	You know, like what meets, like Carney Asada?
	Like, what are you?
	Can you expand on that or is it at TOS?
	Carnal.
	No, it's just the same.
	Have you done this?
	He just likes that.
	Did you do it?
	That's his favorite word.
	Did you do it or no?
	Guys, my parents are tuning into this.
	Yeah, but we need answers because it's going to get healed.
	We can do here and I'm going to be able to do it.
	I think I need to know.
	All I'm going to say is we have not been perfect.
	Not been perfect.
	Okay, so we know.
	We know it then.
	But, okay, so you've been dating him for six months.
	How soon into the six months were you guys not being perfect?
	Oh, no.
	Dad, I am sorry.
	Probably month three.
	That's not bad.
	It's rough out here, guys.
	It is rough out here.
	It's rough out here.
	But so you said we haven't been perfect, but we both agree on abstaining is the way to go.
	So is this, are you guys continuing to not be perfect?
	No, that's what we're agreeing upon.
	So you're still.
	Just because you mess up doesn't mean it all goes out the window.
	Right, but I'm saying, like, so you've already had the slip-up, correct?
	Correct.
	Has there been more than one slip-up?
	They're trying to be perfect.
	Do you ever just slip up on purpose?
	So you mean on purpose, intentionally?
	No.
	No, that's what the point of trying very hard not to means.
	But have you slipped up multiple times?
	You have not been perfect, and that's what I'm going to leave.
	Just answer the question.
	She's saying yes.
	Okay, so I guess how recently has the most recent slip-up been?
	Said yesterday.
	Today.
	Poor girl's dad is watching.
	How recent?
	About a week ago.
	About a week ago.
	Don't quote Bobby Schmurda to me.
	Not in this case.
	Now, look, my understanding of Christianity is Christianity is not about being perfect.
	It's not.
	Nope.
	But this is where this whole, like, I don't know.
	I don't know how to explain it.
	We were going to get into the whole like waiting for sex thing.
	Isn't it kind of like practice what you preach a little bit?
	Because like if you keep telling each other in your relationship, well, we, because this is what you wrote, we both agree on abstaining is the way to go, but you don't.
	For example, if you both agree.
	That's not the default state of being.
	Like, oh, no, it's totally fine.
	But like, we know that's the right thing.
	Like, that's not the intention of being aware of.
	But like, you both have agency, right?
	Like, do you guys, are you guys both drinking?
	No, I actually don't drink.
	Okay, so that's even more agency that you have.
	You can't even blame it on liquor.
	Well, I wouldn't blame it on liquor anyway.
	That's kind of a copy of your intake.
	Fair enough.
	But it's like, for example, right?
	So again, Christianity is not about being perfect.
	But for example, if I were to encounter a Muslim and this Muslim was constantly eating bacon all the time and they were not adhering to Islamic doctrine and worldview, but they considered themselves a Muslim, even though I'm not, for example, I'm not Muslim.
	I would sort of, as an outsider, look at that and perhaps question, well, are you genuinely a Muslim?
	Yeah, of course.
	I can see that.
	And that's why we, and I mean, all of us on earth are not equipped to judge one another.
	And I'm not saying like.
	Actually, we are equipped to judge each other.
	You're allowed to discern, but judge, say, oh, look, you're not a follower.
	You're not this.
	You can make your own notion.
	I think that's smart to do.
	But to genuinely say, oh, you don't believe this, I feel like that's a little out of everyone else's wheelhouse.
	Well, but.
	Okay, but so I think one of the criticisms, at least when it comes to Christianity, is that so people view Christianity as this, at least a lot of these mainstream churches, as this weak religion that just sort of allows anything.
	Disagree.
	Well, do you think women can be clergy?
	Hmm.
	No.
	Hold on, hold on.
	Oh my God.
	I'm sorry.
	God damn.
	Okay, please answer your question.
	Get it going.
	I think I'm gonna go with no on that one.
	I don't think that was gonna be your answer, but you didn't think it was gonna be my answer?
	Well, if you had to think about it.
	So, well, I wanted to phrase it very carefully.
	That's a very hot button issue.
	It doesn't mean.
	Hold on.
	It's a hot button because some people are still in Christianity.
	Because clergy, like I said, it's literally heresy.
	It's a lot of kind of thing I'm still talking about.
	Even in Protestant, even if you're a Protestant, it's a heresy.
	Shouldn't it be an instant.
	Okay.
	So, anyway, like this poison, but okay.
	Sorry.
	Yeah, there's no condemnation that was in Christ Jesus.
	But anyway, for that part, like, I don't think when I think of clergy, I think of like priests.
	I think of, which I don't actually subscribe to that idea.
	You don't need a priest.
	That's what Jesus Christ is for.
	But as far as like women being able to teach, like, of course, that's how you teach other women and disciple them.
	But as far as like pastoral, like, no.
	There's a leadership that kind of is bestowed upon men, and they should kind of step into that.
	And it's not really our place to take that from them.
	Okay.
	I just, I don't know.
	I want to, what is this poisoned well thing?
	What did I poison?
	No, it wasn't you.
	So she said no when the direction wasn't.
	People are very easily influenced.
	Oh, no.
	So if I ask a question and everybody else says if you're inclined to say yes, you'll probably just like from the pressure.
	I wanted to distinguish, like when you're in small, I don't know if you guys know too much about Christianity, but we have like discipleship groups.
	It's like you have a more mature Christian mentoring the younger ones.
	That happens male to male and then female to female.
	So I have a spiritual mom, so to speak.
	That's discipleship.
	That's teaching.
	That's being a leader, but it's not necessarily being a pastor.
	There's a difference in that.
	So my answer to like women being a pastor and getting up on the pulpit, is clergy different than pastor?
	I want to know.
	Clergy sounds very Catholic to me.
	I don't know about any of that.
	It's a lot of extra rules, and somehow you just say one thing and everything is fine.
	And that's not what the Bible teaches.
	So I'm going to stay away from that because I don't know what that entails for you.
	May I also ask, what exactly are they teaching you?
	Like, what's your.
	Like, what do you do in discipleship in small groups?
	Yeah, yeah.
	Like, you said you have someone above you teaching you, like, what is it?
	It's like a very casual thing.
	So she's telling me, like, here's how I go through hard seasons.
	Here's how I resist temptation.
	Here's what I have done in my own life.
	And it's more relatable because she's an older woman.
	So it's a little bit easier.
	Yeah, she's more experienced.
	It's a little bit different than like an older man talking to me about how he fights temptation.
	It's a different battle.
	Does he, you know, or does she tell you about like things that she messed up on earlier?
	Yes, of course.
	And that's the very real part of this: here's all of the times where I've tried so hard to live this way, to live the way Jesus lived, but I am not Jesus.
	I'm not perfect.
	I fall, I stumble, but that doesn't mean you just give up and quit.
	So that's kind of what we're.
	Everything she's been through, does it always relate back to Jesus for her getting through it?
	Most of the time, yeah.
	So like, I mean, earlier seasons when she wasn't a Christian, she's like, I felt really lost.
	I didn't know what to do.
	I thought all these things were going to help me, and they didn't.
	And she became a Christian and she said, okay, well, now I understand why this is how I want to live my life.
	So it's nice to see the before and after too.
	That's my personal relationship with my spiritual mentor.
	I'm sure everyone's is different, but I guess this is why it's kind of, and we'll get into the whole like waiting for sex thing in a bit.
	This is why it's hard for me to take even Christian women.
	I would like to see if a man came on.
	What do you mean?
	Like, I want to see if a Christian guy came on the show and was like, hey, I'm trying to do this.
	Like, how would it be received?
	Would you get the same, like, would you get the rapid fire?
	Like, what did you do this?
	When did you do this?
	What was the last time you slipped up?
	I want to know, like, how would that be experienced?
	Would you ask him the same questions?
	I mean, if he came on and was like preaching heavily that you ought to wait to have sex, you shouldn't have sex before marriage, and then there's like videos of him like going out to the bar and like fucking chicks.
	Yeah, I would ask.
	Well, yeah, if he's like, if he's going to go and say that and then do it that very night, I feel like that's a problem.
	But if this is like, I found this video of you 10 years ago, it's like, well, now I know the truth.
	Am I supposed to just stay in that because I messed up once and I didn't know any better?
	Do you just never go back to it?
	Wait, I'm not sure what you're doing.
	Are you lost?
	So someone who kind of found out this is the truth and now I know better.
	Do you just stop?
	Because you knew better.
	You knew better.
	Okay, you were.
	We're talking one week ago.
	Yeah.
	Hold on.
	You were six months, guys.
	The framing on this is totally not.
	You came on the show nine months ago.
	You were single.
	Nine months ago, your worldview was not to have sex before marriage.
	So it's not, this is like a, I think it's called a post hoc or wait, post hoc justification.
	Your worldview and value system was already don't have sex before marriage.
	You were single.
	You then three months later met a guy.
	And then shortly into your relationship, you guys had sex and you've had multiple slip-ups.
	Allegedly.
	Wait, she.
	And then you had sex as recently as a week ago.
	Okay, but the frequency of time versus like you're trying to turn away every single day.
	Like it's a battle every single day.
	And so are they.
	And they're being on coming on here honest and saying they've had sex.
	So it's not fair to be like, well, I'm religious and I'm reformed.
	So I don't have to face the consequences.
	And they're going to get shit, but they're just being honest.
	I would like to say, I'll meet you when I talk to you.
	I'll take all the consequences.
	I'm telling you, it's really hard.
	And if I could find a way out of this, I totally would.
	Where's the accountability?
	I'm sorry.
	Where's the accountability?
	Find the way out of this.
	I think it's not like if just don't have sex?
	It's still really hard.
	I think it looks a little worse when you're preaching that people shouldn't do it and then you're doing it.
	Yeah, but do it.
	Okay, but hold on.
	But doing it every single day like it doesn't matter is very different than I had a single person.
	I disagree with that.
	Nobody hears you.
	That's where you lose me.
	Go ahead, Abigail.
	Go ahead.
	It doesn't make any sense.
	I mean, you can say, like, yeah, it doesn't happen every day, but still it happened.
	And you're out here preaching, you know, don't have sex before marriage.
	He just makes a good point when he says, practice what you preach.
	Yeah.
	I mean, yes, you made a mistake.
	So don't preach on it.
	Oh, well, I'm still obligated to tell people the truth.
	Like, hey, it's not a great thing to be doing.
	And I have made mistakes.
	I think it's okay to, you know, make mistakes and then be like, don't do this because I did this and I knew it wasn't right.
	But then it's, but then the problem comes in when you're saying, well, they're fucking around.
	So I never, hold on.
	I never said that.
	I supported JoJo when she said, I would rather not have it was bright.
	It was bright.
	It wasn't me.
	But hold on.
	I supported everyone who said, I think waiting is a good idea.
	I think we're fucking on the body.
	That's what I'm saying.
	That's not bad.
	Thank you.
	I need you in my life.
	But also, like, the bigger thing, Brian, what you said of Christianity is not about being perfect.
	I think you, at least I feel I have the duty to be as honest and forthcoming as I possibly can be.
	Because I could have easily said, nope, never did that.
	Yeah, you could have lied to me.
	I could have lied.
	I could have lied.
	I could have done that.
	And that's what.
	No, I appreciate your honesty.
	Thank you.
	And that's what a hip to me, that's what a hypocrite is.
	And that's the only people that Jesus criticized.
	It wasn't the woman at the well who had many husbands.
	He said, no, I love you.
	Don't do this anymore.
	Like, it's a thing.
	But it was the hypocrites who said, we're just so perfect.
	You can't do any of this and lied about all the stuff when they were, you know, sinning.
	So that's kind of where I'm coming from.
	I'm still a human being.
	Like, I have needs.
	Like I, you know.
	Your honesty is remarkable.
	Thank you.
	I appreciate it.
	Okay, but it's.
	Okay, but you say you have needs.
	You say it's difficult.
	Yeah, I'm a human person.
	Right, but if your worldview is, if your value system is, and you wrote this in all caps, don't have sex before marriage.
	Yeah.
	So that's where that's my.
	Brian, you know how you're on like a journey of losing weight?
	And it's like you're, like, it's really hard to stick to a diet, right?
	Yeah, sure.
	And now what you should do is just not eat any junk food, cut out your carbs, whatever you want.
	You only eat healthy, only whole foods.
	Sure.
	But there's going to be that one, oh, it's Susie's birthday at the office.
	Got to get her a cake.
	Oh, I could just have one slice.
	You slip up.
	But I mean, okay.
	Like it seems really bad.
	Oh, now you can throw away your whole diet.
	I agree that there's a bit more gravity when it comes to Christian faith.
	Of course I do.
	Like there's, I don't think there's any preclusion in the Christian faith from eating a donut.
	Okay.
	I think you're missing the point of you're trying to stick to something so hardcore and it's a noble endeavor.
	Yes, it's hard.
	But it's hard.
	It's hard to be disciplined.
	It's hard to be disciplined.
	It's hard to do.
	There we go.
	Why?
	Because we're battling flesh every single day.
	But it's like because you said, okay, don't have sex before marriage.
	You both agree, both you and your partner agree that abstaining is the way to go, but it's almost a mockery.
	If you don't have a sex.
	But you can't.
	Okay.
	Yes, I can.
	Yes, I can.
	So now you're just justifying having.
	No, I'm not justifying.
	I'm not justifying.
	You literally just said, yes, I can have sex.
	I did not say that.
	I think she's acknowledging that she made a mistake.
	I'm saying, I'm allowed to make mistakes.
	Am I not allowed to make mistakes?
	I didn't realize every single person on here was perfect.
	Well, if you continue to believe mistakenly an accidentally.
	Hold on, but that seems where things are different.
	You can literally fall on his dick every single week.
	Oh, and then you repent.
	I don't know where.
	I'm sorry.
	I don't know where he's getting that from.
	But you're saying, but hold on.
	You're making the assumption that it's a continuous thing.
	You're making the assumption that this is happening every week and it's like, oh, fine.
	Well, it is what it is.
	Like, it's really not that big of a deal.
	That's what you're implying.
	You said the word, you're continuously doing this.
	How long have you been doing that?
	You've had sex as recently as a month, a week ago.
	Six months ago.
	So you started sleeping together three months in and you started to.
	Hold on.
	Sorry.
	You slipped up three months and then you slipped up a weekend.
	So how often did it happen between the three months that you were together and the week ago?
	I know it does.
	They're probably having sex regularly.
	I find it hard to do.
	I mean, you're allowed to make your assumptions.
	I think one of the slides.
	Why don't you just remove all doubt?
	Why don't you just tell us?
	Thanks, JoJo.
	I don't need to do that.
	I said whatever.
	No, you don't need to.
	I don't need to.
	You made your assumptions anyway.
	Okay, then correct my assumptions.
	Okay, I will correct that this is not a continuous thing and this doesn't happen every single week.
	I said what I said.
	Okay.
	Do you guys live together?
	No.
	No, we don't.
	Shouldn't do that either.
	I'm just, I don't know.
	It's a bit confusing.
	I think you're fine.
	It's like expecting an addict to go cold tricky.
	They're going to relapse.
	That's a crazy point.
	I think, but sure.
	But Nicolette is touching on a really good point.
	The point is, and we touched on this with the diet thing, it's hard to be disciplined in any facet.
	This is mine that you're continuing to poke and prod at, which is fine.
	You can't.
	I know I'm not perfect.
	I did not sit here and say, oh, I've never done this.
	I'm admitting that I did.
	And I'm like, but I'm trying to be better, you guys.
	Like, this isn't what I want to do.
	Your honesty is commendable.
	Your forthcomingness is commendable.
	If you are essentially preaching or recommending, or your worldview is not having sex before marriage, and you and your partner both agree that you ought to be abstaining.
	Okay, let me give you this scenario, okay?
	Let's say I actually don't drink, but I'll use this as a thing.
	So let's say I have a drink, and then 45 minutes later, I drive my car home.
	Okay.
	Now, I know I did that once.
	I'm still going to tell people, hey, don't drink and drive.
	Are you going to say, oh, you can't say that because you did it?
	Yeah, it's really dangerous, and I don't want to do that again.
	Like, let's just not do that.
	No, okay, I'm not.
	Making the mistake doesn't negate your ability to say.
	Okay, so my, I'm not criticizing your worldview that you're criticizing that I made a mistake.
	Hold on.
	I have a different worldview.
	Okay.
	But I don't think it's a wrong statement to say, I'm not arguing don't have sex before marriage.
	I have a different worldview, but I don't think it's a wrong way to approach dating relationships marriage.
	I think if you can do it, great.
	Not my own personal worldview.
	That's totally.
	For example, I'm not a Muslim, but if I encounter a Muslim who just totally disregards any of these.
	But do I totally disregard?
	Hold on.
	Am I totally disregarding?
	Hold on.
	If I meet a Muslim who totally disregards the doctrines of the Islamic faith, eating bacon, I'm not an expert in the, you know, anything, anything else that's haram, or they're just not meeting, you know, they're not, they're sitting, I don't know, haram, sitting?
	I don't know what it is.
	Haraming?
	I don't know.
	Haraming?
	There you go.
	I'm going to be like thinking in my head, well, even though I'm not Muslim, Lol Paladin was denoted $200.
	I like the drinking and driving analogy.
	Except Brown Shirt has drunkenly driven like 10 times already.
	And you know she's about to go out to the bar next week.
	I don't drink.
	But anyway, I think what you're the mistake you're making is you're assuming that I'm continuously totally disregarding and I'm telling you I'm not.
	I think I think this what they're trying to say is the analogy is they're trying to compare it to and apparently I'm going to go to the bar or they're saying like sleeping wise you're going to sleep.
	I just feel like it should be honestly it should be kind of one or the other.
	It's like you're asking me to be perfect or shut up.
	That's my only option.
	Maybe that's a weird way to put it.
	It's like put up or shut.
	And I'm like, oh man, that's a rock in a hard place.
	It's kind of like.
	Oh, you're saying, yeah, you've already done it.
	You might as well just.
	You've already passed the threshold in this specific.
	But that doesn't mean you have to continue down it is my point.
	Yeah, but you keep making this.
	Well, I see you're saying it again.
	You keep making the same mistakes.
	But you've literally.
	Okay, so fine.
	The only thing you've told us thus far is you had sex three months in and then as recently as a week ago.
	That's all we know.
	You've refused to reflect.
	So let's assume perhaps you've had three other slip-ups, five slip-ups total.
	Every couple weeks.
	I don't know why.
	I love where people are getting these numbers.
	Don't read the chapters.
	Sorry.
	So, I mean, I don't know.
	It's just, I knew you were going to take this angle.
	I totally get it.
	Guys, I have a confession.
	I am not perfect.
	I don't keep doing this like, oh, it's fine.
	I'm going to mess up next week, but like, I'll totally ask for forgiveness.
	Like, that's not my attitude.
	There are people out there like that.
	I won't lie to you.
	I'm trying really hard not to be a hypocrite and not to be one of them.
	It's just, okay, I'll tell you, we've had a lot of Christian women come on the show a lot who claim to be these virtuous, pure women who are waiting for marriage.
	I'm assuming that I hear things.
	It sucks.
	Cool.
	I hear things through the grapevine.
	Okay.
	They're hooking up with dudes behind the scenes.
	They're taking photos.
	They got fucking scripture in their Instagram bio.
	They got scripture in their Instagram bio.
	Don't you have like a cross emoji?
	Yeah, I love Jesus.
	In your Instagram.
	Yeah.
	You know, oh, I'm waiting till marriage.
	And then like I find out that they're hooking up with fuckboys.
	But didn't Jesus.
	I'm not doing that.
	He did.
	That's what no condemnation in Christ Jesus means.
	But also, the reason I'm comfortable talking about all this is because while I respect all of you and your opinions, not one of you can judge me except Jesus and he chooses not to.
	So I'm just going to throw that out there is why I'm okay confronting this kind of stuff.
	You said you were Christian, right?
	So when you make the mistakes, do you go through the process of like repentance?
	Of course.
	So repent just means turn away and stop doing it.
	Well, no, from what I understand, it's to take accountability for the action and to actually need to do it continuously.
	Yeah.
	Make the mistakes.
	Because then it's like, there's not really a problem.
	We're getting really hung up on the continuous.
	Again, I never said like this is happening every single week.
	I never said that.
	That's what people in chat are saying.
	That's what Brian is saying.
	The continuous and the total disregard of principles.
	I'm telling you, I'm not doing that.
	I'm just confused because you guys have already had premarital sex.
	So you're saying, oh, who cares?
	Like, he might as well.
	No, I didn't.
	I didn't, though.
	The ship has sailed.
	No more.
	And it would just.
	Who's the one who seems to be a little more interested in having sex?
	You or him?
	I'd say it's very equal.
	It's equal.
	Like, we still have the desire, but it's like, oh, no, we agreed we're not doing this.
	Like, it's a, you know.
	So I guess like my little hang up on this is to speak more generally or broadly.
	Yeah.
	So is we've had a lot of these Christian women come on.
	Nothing wrong with Christian women.
	Great.
	But they come on and they claim that they're waiting for marriage and they're putting on this sort of act.
	Is that what you believe I'm doing?
	I'm really sorry if that's how it's going to be.
	No, I don't think you're.
	Well, putting on an act insofar as, oh, I'm waiting.
	I want, I'm going to wait till marriage.
	And like almost all, and it typically is the like the non-denominational Christian women or like Protestants or whatever.
	No offense.
	Some taken.
	No, they tend to like come on and speak a big game because it's almost this virtue signaling.
	But the reality, like what I, and I wouldn't, I'm not going to expose anybody, but like what I hear behind the scenes, what I hear through the grapevine, they're not waiting till marriage.
	They're hooking up.
	They're doing all this.
	What did you hear about me, Brian?
	I didn't hear about you.
	Okay.
	Just wanted to clear that up.
	But so I guess what I'm saying is they'll come on and it's like it frustrates me when people come on and say one thing.
	Oh, these are my values.
	This is my worldview.
	I'm a good Christian woman.
	I'm waiting till marriage.
	And then we had one girl, she's taking like stories with her Bible, Bible study, whatever.
	And then I find out like she's hooking up.
	She fucks a guy on the first date.
	Some fuckboy guy.
	How do you know this?
	Where did you find that?
	People don't gossip.
	And you believe everything you hear from F-boy.
	How about this?
	How about this?
	In that specific, with that specific girl, I got it directly from the source.
	From the guy she allegedly hooked up with.
	He sent a picture.
	The fuckboy in question.
	He sent a picture.
	I want to see her.
	Let me see the red receipts.
	Who cares?
	They actually ended up dating for a while.
	So yeah, they were taking stories together, but they fucked the first night.
	And she's on the podcast two weeks earlier saying, I'm waiting for marriage.
	Here's the scripture in my Instagram bio.
	Here's a Bible photo.
	That sounds so judgy.
	I really apologize for that.
	How is it judging if I'm coming off that way and gross?
	Wait, that's judgy.
	Like, the connotation that's coming out of you describing these Christian women, like, I'm waiting.
	If I'm coming off like that, someone, somebody come get her, because that's not how I want to come off at all.
	Well, I'm just saying I'm speaking in general.
	Like, these people who come on and will say, oh, I'm waiting for marriage, and then, like, behind the scenes, but I'm saying there's no behind the scenes.
	They're larping.
	It's really respectful that you came on and were honest, because that's the issue with this panel a lot of times.
	It's going to be these girls who are like, they're catering to the audience in a different way.
	They're like, I never do that.
	I never do that.
	At least the OF girls are being honest and they're being truthful.
	You have a bunch of like girls up here.
	I would never.
	You're being honest and you're arguing.
	Because that's hypocritical if you were and you'd become that kind of person, like holier than thou.
	And that's not realistic.
	You're taking the slack for a lot of other girls right now.
	Damn, 1,000%.
	And I will take all of it.
	That's totally fine.
	I don't mind because I know what I'm doing.
	I know what I'm trying really hard to accomplish.
	And if people want to judge me for it, go right ahead.
	Judge me for other things.
	I'm also like a huge interrupter.
	Like, I'm really impatient.
	Get me for those things too.
	Okay.
	Anyways.
	So let me get a couple chats in.
	We'll continue on with the relationship status.
	Bro Naissance, can I have you read this one?
	Who?
	Who?
	Me?
	Yeah.
	If you can do the reads, go ahead.
	What's Hina?
	Hina?
	Hina.
	What is this, George?
	I know.
	I need it.
	The girl in the middle of the morning.
	I know.
	The blue shirt is a wife.
	She needs a ring.
	The A-Cup brown shirt makes the Turner look like a decent human being.
	Brian, I can guide you to a better diet than exercise mindset.
	DM me.
	Okay, thank you, bro.
	Appreciate it.
	Read this one, please.
	One second.
	Go ahead.
	Okay.
	Thank you, man.
	The appeal to hypocrisy.
	A doctor who smokes, advocating for people not to smoke, doesn't suddenly negate the fact that smoking is objectively bad for you.
	She fucked and fucks up and knows.
	Oh my gosh.
	And she does.
	She knows.
	Me too.
	Okay.
	She said me too.
	Is the problem that you have with it that she advocates like no sex before marriage?
	Or is it like, because like I totally understand because I'm kind of like same situation, but I'm married.
	But I'm just, but I don't advocate no sex remarriage.
	I say like, hey, it's a good idea because I know I've messed up already.
	So there's no, I can't say anything about it.
	But is the problem that you feel like she's advocating for?
	It's definitely the advocation because it seems hypocritical.
	Yeah, when you say advocate, what is the advantage?
	I don't know.
	That's why I'm asking.
	But I didn't talk down to anyone for not doing it.
	I'm just saying.
	So he's trying to say that I'm doing a two-quote, too coke.
	I don't know how the fuck that is.
	I don't know.
	An appeal to hypocrisy.
	So basically, it would be.
	So here's the thing, though.
	It would be a logical fallacy if you were trying to discredit somebody's argument.
	So example, I'm not saying that her claim is wrong is the difference.
	So in your example, you're saying a doctor who smokes advocating, here, I'll pull it up.
	A doctor who smokes advocating for people not to smoke doesn't suddenly negate the fact that smoking is objectively bad for you.
	So I don't actually disagree with her on her position.
	However, because that's the case, because I'm not actually trying to say, I'm not trying to say or argue, well, actually, waiting until marriage is bad.
	And because you're a hypocrite.
	I'm not sure if I'm saying that that I made a mistake at all.
	So I should just say that.
	No, I'm just literally.
	I'm not appealing to hypocrisy or doing a, like a, what's it called?
	I'm not trying to destroy your worldview or your argument.
	You're just saying me personally, you should speak on this because you failed.
	No, I'm just literally calling you a hypocrite.
	Oh, interesting.
	Okay.
	So I'm not trying to, I'm not trying to.
	Oh, it's just that.
	I'm not trying to defeat your argument that you're in favor of waiting until sex for marriage by pointing out that, well, you're a hypocrite.
	So, in this example, a doctor who smokes, advocating for people not to smoke, doesn't suddenly negate the fact that smoking is objectively bad.
	So, in this case, Brian, if that's the case, since I have made mistakes in my life, I will never tell anyone what to do because I'm like, hey, I already did it.
	Sorry.
	Brian said I can't do it.
	It's an admission of hypocrisy.
	You could admit you're a little bit of a hypocrite, right?
	Hypocrite is like a continued pattern of behavior.
	Like, it's a date, like, this is who you are.
	But it sounds like you're saying that to avoid taking accountability.
	That's your opinion, which you're allowed to have.
	Can I see something?
	That's not what I'm doing.
	Just go ahead.
	Actually, go.
	Okay.
	I actually think that making mistakes is super crucial and advocating for what you believe in.
	Because if you are blindly following something and you've never experienced the other side, how are you going to know where you stand fully?
	Because you're just following, like, without even knowing.
	I mean, some people learn by example, and that's what wisdom is: where you can learn from other people's mistakes and not have to experience it.
	I hear you.
	But if I was drinking one week ago and I came on the podcast, I said, do not drink.
	It's horrible.
	You're not going to take me like seriously.
	You know what I mean?
	No, but it's not.
	And then because you were honest, but at the same time, it seems a little true.
	You guys caught me at a bad time.
	I'm sorry.
	So you're good.
	I genuinely respect you so much for being honest because it would have been way easier to lie.
	But I understand what they're saying as well.
	No, I get what you guys are saying.
	But again, the basis of your argument is: since you have made this mistake, you can no longer advocate for what you believe is the right way.
	I don't know what you can do.
	You can, but it doesn't mean as much, to be honest.
	Right.
	I mean, then I don't think anyone should advocate for anything.
	None of us are perfect.
	I don't even agree with that.
	You're totally welcome to advocate for whatever you want to, but also understand that people are going to call you a hypocrite.
	And that's fine.
	I do follow it.
	I do follow it and I made a mistake.
	Going back to what he's trying to argue when it comes to the appeal to hypocrisy.
	So there's a lot, people will use logical fallacies in an attempt to defeat a position, but I'm not trying to defeat her position.
	Yeah, he's not trying to prove me why that's not a good position.
	I'm just simply outright calling her a hypocrite.
	Yeah, you're allowed to do that.
	And I'm just saying that.
	So with the doctor smoking, hold on.
	The doctor smoking example, it would be like you can certainly acknowledge that smoking is wrong, but you can still be like, just because the doctor smokes, I'm not trying to negate that smoking is objectively bad.
	I'm just simply pointing out it's.
	He's saying the doctor should practice what he preaches.
	Yes, he ought to.
	He ought to, but if my position, like if my position was, well, smoking is good, smoking's good.
	You're saying don't smoke.
	Well, you smoke, so my position is reaffirmed.
	That's not really what I'm trying to get at.
	Anyways, you're a fat girl telling us we need to lose weight.
	You're not wrong.
	You're just an asshole.
	And you're also everything wrong with modern Christianity.
	Oh, wow.
	Oh, damn.
	I didn't know I was fat.
	You're not literally, I think he's trying to make an analogy here.
	I don't mean to lose.
	I would hear that much.
	Anyways, damn, that sucks.
	John Green says, How many mistakes constitutes a mistake?
	Is that John Green, like the author?
	She knows she made a mistake.
	No, no, no.
	You're good.
	It's 100% the author.
	He's lying.
	100%.
	Thank you, John Green.
	Appreciate it.
	I love your book.
	He's a liar.
	Appreciate it.
	Oh, we're getting around.
	Damn, okay, it's taken us a while to get through all this stuff.
	Okay, what about you?
	Relationships?
	Single.
	I've been single for about three years.
	My longest relationship was almost four.
	Okay, single for three years.
	Now, last time, perhaps this was an error.
	I asked if you've been on any dates in that three years, and I believe you said no, correct?
	I hadn't.
	I recently started dating about the last two months ago since then.
	I've been more willing to date, more trying to get out there, I guess.
	Okay.
	Can I also interrupt?
	Because JoJo had to say her body count, but nobody else has yet.
	That's a later pair.
	Jojo opened it up.
	I said, oh, because I just felt like people were assuming RARs.
	So, I guess this is a bit of a new revelation here with JoJo because I think I previously asked if you've been dating.
	You said, no, I haven't been dating at all, but you are doing kind of like the more casual hookup thing.
	So, I mean, for you, even though you've been single for three years, have you been doing like casual hookups?
	I haven't been doing casual hookups.
	The most recent since I've been on the podcast has been about like a month and a half that I've been seeing one person.
	So, is it still ongoing?
	I don't think so.
	Oh, so you, how long were you seeing them?
	Like a month and a half.
	But it and like you stopped?
	Recently, yeah.
	Okay.
	So you guys were hooking up then?
	Once, yeah.
	Just once?
	Yeah.
	And wait.
	So how many times did you guys hang out?
	Like five.
	Wait, orientation?
	I would say bisexual for sure.
	Man or woman?
	I was a man.
	Okay.
	And so, wait, the last time you hung out, was that time you guys hooked up?
	No, there's one time after that.
	I mean, we never, we haven't stopped seeing each other.
	I just don't know.
	I don't know.
	Did you guys live in the same city?
	Yeah.
	I just don't really see it going anywhere.
	Whoa.
	I think you just have to date a few people and see who you like.
	I'm just, I'm really not perfect.
	I'm trying to be perfect.
	Well, you should be perfect.
	I'm trying.
	You should be.
	Figure it out.
	Figure it out.
	No, I was.
	Well, are you religious?
	No.
	I was just celibate because her worldview probably has no restrictions.
	I was.
	Her worldview probably has no restrictions on premarital sex.
	So it wouldn't be imperfect for her to have sex at any point in the courtship process, at least from her worldview.
	I was only celibate because, like you said, I can't separate.
	I just don't enjoy casual sex.
	It's not, it was never a thing of, oh, I want to go this long.
	I want to, like, I want to wait till this.
	It was like, if I met somebody and we clicked and I felt comfortable and I liked them and I thought it was going to go somewhere, I was comfortable doing that.
	It just happened to take two and a half years.
	But yeah, I'm not religious by any means.
	I'm not waiting for anything.
	I just don't enjoy casual sex.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	But you think this is over then?
	We'll see.
	It's still early.
	I don't want to say too much.
	I don't know.
	Do you like him a bit more than he likes you?
	I can't tell.
	I think because I've been alone for so long, it's hard for me to really tell if I'm like infatuated or like actually like somebody.
	I don't think you like this guy that much, to be honest.
	Yeah.
	Sorry.
	What about you?
	I am married.
	Married?
	How long have you guys been married?
	Gonna be a year in July.
	All right.
	How long were you guys dating before that?
	So it's gonna be 10 years now.
	So we've been together since we were 15.
	Wow.
	High school sweethearts.
	Okay.
	You go, girl.
	Thank you.
	Do you guys have kids?
	No.
	Okay.
	Just corgis.
	Yeah.
	Just four corgis.
	Five a pair of kids.
	Allegedly.
	Five.
	I thought we had five kids.
	I am married.
	All right.
	How long?
	A little over a year now.
	All right.
	Cool, cool.
	Natalie, what about you?
	I'm single.
	I've been single for like a year and a half.
	My longest relationship is probably about a year.
	All right.
	And one year.
	No prospects?
	You've been on the when you were on a couple months ago, nothing in between.
	I don't know.
	Wait, last time you were on, wasn't there anything else?
	That's not as well.
	There's a little something.
	Contemplating because I don't want to go viral for this because I don't want to disrespect Steve.
	Steve, he's rice.
	No, the guy I was talking to.
	No, shout out to Steve Bannon.
	Steve is the best.
	We love Steve.
	We should get him on the show.
	Well, he's a little busy.
	Starting in July.
	Is he?
	What's the ice go to prison?
	Wait, what?
	For how long?
	For four months.
	And we go ahead.
	He'll be out.
	He'll be on like before the election.
	No conspiracies, no coincidences, but I'm sure you guys don't want to hear about that.
	No, the guy.
	I haven't really been following that.
	What did they get him on?
	Okay, so the TLDR on that is he technically, they say, defied a congressional subpoena, which came from the January 6th committee, but it was an illegitimate sham committee comprised by the Democrats.
	So there is a small chance that if House Republicans get their act together and establish this blag advisory group, that they can basically render that committee null and void.
	So then that subpoena would not really be in effect an actual subpoena.
	So I'm going to have to get Steve and currently Peter Navarro is serving a similar sentence.
	He's the only misdemeanor in a Miami-based correctional facility.
	Everyone else is felons, but he's technically still waiting on his appeal.
	But I would argue, and I feel like it's worth it.
	Wait, Steve Bannon's appeal?
	No, no, Peter Navarro, one of Trump's top economic advisors.
	But the timing to me is very curious.
	War Room, like I said, is a very, very influential show on sort of the MAGA right in terms of getting people involved.
	And his sentence is going to overlap right to the run-up to the election.
	And you can already see MSNBC the way they were covering it.
	They were gloating on air about how it's going to be silencing our podcast and all that jazz.
	So again, Democrats ignore congressional subpoenas all the time.
	Nothing happens to them.
	But when it's not just Republicans, but anti-establishment Republicans, they always seem to get thrown in jail.
	But the story of unrelated to that, as you can imagine, I'm busy dealing with all of that.
	And if Steve goes to jail, I will likely have to take over the show.
	But I think that the guy that I was talking to last time, I feel like he was gay.
	That was a wild turn.
	Watch!
	Yeah, he was like, We should, hmm, I don't know by what clips of me saying.
	I got this.
	He was like, we should.
	Let me just put this in context.
	Sure.
	So I'm hosting my show, okay?
	And I always have my phone on Do Not Disturb.
	And I open it when I get off air, like of expecting nothing to, you know, whatever, like maybe a good morning text.
	I don't know.
	And I just open it and it's just like stream of consciousness, like 20 texts.
	Like, we should S the D together.
	I really want to be on, like, just crazy stuff.
	He sent pictures of other people's men's out of nowhere?
	Out of absolutely.
	I have known him for like 72 hours.
	I had, like, okay, I was what the literal F.
	It gets better.
	It gets better.
	I ignore it, okay?
	I'm like, I don't even know what to say to this.
	So I fly back home, and I think from my Instagram story or something, he sees that I'm home.
	He's like, hey, are you around?
	I'm like, oh, like, I'm busy.
	He's like, oh, I'm leaving town tomorrow.
	It's like, oh, like, too bad.
	The next day, he texts me.
	He's like, hey, so sorry.
	I just met someone that I'm going to start dating.
	You're really cool.
	We should be friends.
	But I'm going to like focus on her.
	And then kept texting me and sending me really weird pictures of where I live.
	So it got really weird.
	Wait, the guy who's he thought was gay or was gay.
	Yeah.
	Well, I think he's closeted.
	I think he like, it's like a repressed thing.
	And it's like, he didn't really want to have it three-way.
	He just wanted to be there for plausible deniability, so he wasn't gay.
	Wait, but you, how long did you know this guy?
	Three days?
	Three days.
	You knew him?
	Three days?
	I think you talked about the podcast.
	Cheating out?
	No, no, just out in Florida.
	We had mutual friends.
	And so he texted you and he said he wants to S the D He wanted to S the D. With me.
	at the same like yeah wow that's isn't that weird That's a lot.
	That's crazy.
	That's weird.
	So I was like, okay.
	He's probably not straight.
	There's something funky there.
	Yeah.
	You dodged a bullet, girl.
	What else?
	Anything else that he was saying?
	You said it was like a stream of consciousness.
	Besides Sing the D. Pictures of dudes.
	Yeah, that he wanted to...
	Like just like firemen?
	One of them looked like AI.
	He is not closeted, though.
	He's out.
	Yeah, no, it was really weird.
	I was like, oh my gosh, I don't know.
	It's true.
	What's going on in Florida, man?
	Something crazy.
	Seriously, Florida was just rated the worst state to date.
	And that being said, there is a new person that I'm talking to.
	How many days has it been?
	I know.
	Every time I call on whatever, there's always someone new, but it's like too early to say anything.
	It's been like a month.
	Bro, be careful.
	No, yeah, no.
	Nothing weird, yeah.
	Nothing weird yet.
	Wow.
	Everything's weird.
	We're going to call it the Natalie Winters rule.
	You have to wait 72 hours before making a determination if a man's potentially gay or not.
	If you get any sus text from a guy within a 72-hour period, you've been wintered.
	Isn't that wild?
	Damn, that's...
	His name is Steve.
	No, no, yeah, no, this is so non-oh, I don't know.
	Okay.
	No, no, no, no.
	Steve is, I would be honored to find a man like Steve that is age appropriate.
	But I don't know if they make guys like that anymore.
	So going back to Steve.
	You think we're going to get him out?
	Got him out of prison?
	Yeah, once he got, does he have a report by?
	He has to report by July 1st, and even though he is a non-violent offender, no history of anything at all, they're trying to put, usually like people, maybe people are familiar with like Dinesh D'Souza or those type cases.
	They go to what's called club-fed, which is sort of like a low-security, like bunk bed style.
	It's not like hardcore.
	But they're putting Steve in like a hardcore maximum security with like child, I won't get into it all, like really bad people, and even potentially pushing him in Rikers because he has another court case that's pending in the state of New York for other stuff.
	All of this being said, obviously, just like President Trump is a convicted felon, same with Steve.
	They're just going after them.
	It's obviously just lawfare, but it really is horrible what they're doing to someone who is, I think, one of the leading patriots in this country.
	I'm honored to work for him.
	And I'm sorry to bring him up.
	Everybody said what I was talking about.
	But yeah.
	And it was just like he didn't respond to a subpoena.
	That's it?
	Yeah, Eric Holder has defied subpoenas.
	Nothing happened to him.
	He was a Democrat, had to do with the Fast and Furious scandal.
	They just voted to hold Merrick Garland, the AG, currently in contempt of Congress.
	Nothing has happened to him.
	But like I said, it's really just because of the podcast.
	I mean, I'm sure you know when it comes to censorship and demonetization and all that, it's really just the culmination of years of censoring a deep platform.
	We're banned on YouTube and Spotify.
	So they just want him off off air.
	Well, yeah, I'm sorry to hear about what's going on with Steve.
	Sorry to hear what happened to you and that one guy.
	That's crazy.
	Wait, what was going on over here?
	My dad texted me.
	Oh, you still have your phone on you?
	Apple Watch.
	Even though did you miss the part where we were collecting the phones?
	I didn't know it was watches, too.
	I'm sorry.
	Oh, it's just a watch?
	Yeah, just a watch.
	That's why we missed it.
	All right, whatever.
	We're going around relationship status.
	And body counts.
	Well, we've got everybody's, right?
	Okay, so.
	Oh, she wants.
	You really want that?
	You want to ask a body count question?
	Go ahead.
	Hey, guys, what's your body count?
	Mine's eight.
	Eight.
	I have to count real quick.
	Okay, let it.
	Wait, do you have a list in your phone or something?
	No.
	I can like click on it.
	Let it out.
	Can you say their names while you do it?
	And their Social Security number and their credit card number.
	Give us the ranking.
	Mother's maiden name while you're at it.
	No, like I'm going to say maybe six.
	Range.
	Oh, say six.
	If it's six, you can count to six.
	Yeah.
	You want to keep counting?
	Hit that multiply by three button.
	I know.
	Multiply it by three.
	You also don't have to answer.
	I don't know an exact number.
	Somewhere in the 30s.
	30s, okay.
	Mine's six.
	I've been more than forthcoming.
	Range?
	Do you want to give us a range?
	No.
	Less than, more than?
	No.
	Eight.
	One.
	One.
	Less than five.
	All right.
	There you go.
	Cool.
	Good talk.
	Multiply it by three.
	That's the real number.
	Just kidding.
	I'm just kidding.
	Okay.
	So let's get into some of the pre-show notes.
	It's taken us a while.
	Let me do two chats and then we'll get into it.
	Can you read this?
	Oh, I feel bad already.
	Brown shirt, you are a very smug, self-righteous, holier than thou and a hypocrite.
	You can advocate for abstinence before marriage, but we don't have to take you seriously when you slip up often.
	Damn.
	Sorry.
	I'm not perfect.
	My bad.
	I wish I were perfect.
	All right.
	Go ahead.
	Thank you, John Green.
	I wish most women were like Maddie, open to conversation and understanding that are willing to sacrifice so you don't have to.
	What?
	Okay, John Green.
	Thank you, man.
	Appreciate it.
	I don't know who that's too.
	Appreciate it, dude.
	All right.
	Thank you, man.
	All right, let's get into the pre-show notes.
	So we have Abby.
	Let's start with Abby.
	Abby, you said you've been on many dates.
	Most of them were weird, but the weirdest was probably the guy from Ventura who kept taking photos of me for keepsake on the first date.
	What happened there?
	Tell us the.
	Yes, so I was on a date in Ventura.
	And we were at the beach, and it was just like a normal first date.
	We were going on a walk.
	That's what I like to do.
	And he kept taking pictures of me on the date.
	And I wasn't doing anything.
	I was just like walking beside him.
	And his phone kept coming up.
	And I'd be like, oh, haha.
	That's cool.
	That's funny.
	And I like was a little uncomfortable, but I wasn't going to say anything about it because maybe that's normal.
	Maybe, I don't know if that's normal.
	Maybe it's normal.
	But it wasn't until he kept saying like, oh, this one's just for keepsake.
	Oh, this one, like, I'm going to look at this later.
	Then I got pretty, ew.
	I got pretty freaked out.
	Yeah.
	That was probably the weirdest one.
	And was there a second date?
	Oh, absolutely not.
	A text back?
	Can I get those pictures back?
	I want those pictures.
	Some of them are probably cute.
	But like, wouldn't it be kind of cool if this is the guy you end up dating for a long time or even like spending your life with?
	That wouldn't be cool.
	And here's like, here's photos of us on our first date.
	That would be kind of cool, right?
	But he was weird about it.
	Sorry, I was.
	No, it was weird.
	It was weird.
	Okay.
	You said I'm saving this for later.
	Yeah.
	I don't know about that.
	I feel like it always depends who does it.
	Like if it's some super hunk that does it, you're like, that was so hot.
	That was straight out of a movie, and if it's some guy you're not attracted to, you're like, oh, that was kind of odd.
	So, if you're not attractive, it's gonna feel weird.
	If a punk is still taking photos of you, saying, I'm saving this, I'd be like, dang, I look good, probably.
	Oh, well, you also said you have stories about sugar daddies.
	Yes, I've had some sugar daddies.
	How did you meet them?
	Seeking?
	It's called sugardaddy.com.
	Oh, sugar daddy?
	I've never heard of that one.
	SugarDaddy.com.
	I couldn't figure out seeking arrangements.
	Like, maybe I'm just dense, but I couldn't figure it out.
	Couldn't figure it out.
	Wait, okay, I feel like we must know because you've lived in Santa Barbara for nine months without a job.
	It has to be a sugar daddy, right?
	It's not cheaper.
	It's more expensive than a date.
	I have your money.
	It's fine if it is.
	I want to add.
	Are the dates for like free meals too?
	No, Gavino.
	It's paid so I can eat.
	Wait, yeah, the guy from like, what, two, two nights ago?
	Did he buy you dinner?
	No.
	It was, we were only like hanging out for a little bit, and then it was.
	Did you meet him on sugardaddy.com?
	No.
	So you have, how many sugar daddies have you had?
	I've had just two sugar daddies for like a very short amount of time.
	Okay, let's, yeah, let's talk a bit about that.
	So, how short?
	Like a month each-ish.
	One month each?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Did you hook up with either of them?
	Kind of.
	Like, it depends on your definition of carnal knowledge.
	Sure.
	Sexual intercourse?
	Um, maybe.
	Oh.
	So, yes?
	Maybe.
	Okay, so you saw them and you both met them, or you met both of them from this website.
	Are you still on the website?
	No.
	Why did you get off it?
	Because I don't like them.
	They're like, they're too old.
	Like, I'm not attracted to them.
	Like, I don't know.
	Like, I thought I could be attracted to the older guys I was seeing, and then I just wasn't.
	Like, I'm not going to use them.
	Isn't that literally what a sugar daddy?
	I'll use it like a little bit, but like, not fully.
	Okay, so what was the nature of the exchange or transaction with the first sugar daddy?
	Um, what do you mean?
	Like, what was like the first one?
	Well, I assume you met him maybe for coffee or dinner initially.
	We went on a walk.
	Did he have to pay for that date?
	Did he pay for the walk?
	I mean, we've had girls on the show who do these seeking arrangements, sugar daddy things, and they charge for dates.
	Yeah, they'll charge to even meet up for coffee.
	No, what actually happened, he offered to like grab the coffee while we walked, and I was like too freaked out because I didn't want him to like spike it.
	So I bought the coffee and I brought the coffee to the date.
	But did he pay you for the date?
	No.
	Okay, so how was he sugaring?
	Like, what was the sugaring?
	The sugaring came later, like, after so, what, okay, but so would he just send you money just cuz?
	Um, not usually, like, it would be, like, after the date.
	Like, if we went out to supper, he'd like buy supper and then send me some money.
	Yeah, how much?
	No way.
	You want to know how much?
	Yeah.
	That was very, very much.
	No way.
	No way.
	I like that you called it supper.
	That was really cute.
	Anybody else here had a sugar daddy?
	I had sugar daddies, but I never went on dates with them.
	I've had men send me money, but I want to call them sugar daddies.
	Yeah, I just went on one on Friday.
	Yeah.
	Well, let's hear from you really quick, then we'll come back to her.
	So guys, just random dudes on the internet, send you money?
	Like Twitch streams, yeah.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, same.
	Yeah.
	Like, I don't communicate with them offline, but like sometimes I'll even be in like the background of one of their streams and I'll get like a PayPal of $800.
	I'm like, dang, okay.
	Yeah.
	Damn, I don't take $200.
	Yeah, that happens.
	I get like $20 if I'm lucky.
	The aisle?
	Yeah, so what about you, Nicolette?
	How much?
	Yeah.
	It depends, like, the amount of time.
	But they'd pay you for, like, if you went out with them for dinner, they'd pay you.
	Yeah, and I wouldn't wait till after.
	I'm definitely getting it, like, when I get there.
	All right, putting her on some game right here.
	Okay.
	As you should.
	So, like, for a dinner, I mean, what would you charge, I guess?
	Um, on Friday, I got a thousand.
	Yeah, what about like a Wednesday?
	Um, it would still be a thousand.
	It just depends on like how much time they want with me.
	Okay, so if it's just a dinner, a thousand.
	It would be just dinner, right?
	Yeah, yeah, they want more time with me than more money.
	Okay, and have you had any dudes just randomly send you money?
	Yeah, I twitched to him as well.
	Well, I think like sending a donut during a stream, I don't know if that's really like it's more so like you're privately conversing and then here's 200 bucks.
	Sometimes I will get like random money and be like, hey, I bought your lunch today.
	And then they'll send money.
	They'll message me.
	Well, yeah, chatters will do that.
	They'll like even off-stream, they'll just like.
	Yeah, it's not expected a response in Discord.
	Yeah, just yeah.
	So if you're comfortable, just I'm curious how much they're paying you.
	Um, like a few hundred, like 300 maybe, not 800.
	In total, or like in one transaction?
	Um, like per date.
	Per date?
	Yeah.
	300 bucks.
	Always 300 bucks with one of them, yeah.
	Like that was like the rate, if you will.
	Okay.
	And then would they ever send you money to like take care of expenses, like for a haircut or for a car bill or utilities, rent, anything like that?
	No, not with like a sugar daddy, but I was seeing a guy who was like, how old was he?
	24?
	And he was sending me mad money all the time.
	Just, I wasn't even like hanging out with him.
	He would send me things he'd be like.
	How did you meet him?
	Just like Hinge.
	And when you said you say he was sending you mad money, what do you mean?
	Yeah, no, he'd be like, here's $200 for yoga clothes.
	Like, here's $100 for gas, like, whatever.
	Just, I didn't ask.
	How much total do you think he sent you?
	Maybe $2,000.
	$2,000.
	Okay.
	And what about the other two sugar daddies?
	How much did the first one send you total?
	I don't know.
	Like, I wasn't counting.
	Well, a couple thousand.
	If we say, like, I went on a date with him, like, once a week for a month, that's like 3,600.
	Like, not very much.
	And then the other one?
	Do you know how much total?
	Maybe 500.
	Like, it wasn't anything.
	Okay.
	Why was the hinge guy sending you money just because?
	I don't know.
	I really don't know.
	I'm not sure.
	Did you guys ever hook up?
	No.
	You never slept together?
	No.
	I know.
	I know.
	These fucking simps are ruining dating.
	Oh, boy.
	Imagine, like, you're 21, right?
	Imagine dating a girl in college and some fucking simp is sending her hundreds of dollars just because she exists.
	Should have been on the dating app sooner.
	Oh, my God.
	That's crazy.
	I want to know how he has that much money at 24.
	We need to know what he's doing.
	The problem is he probably doesn't.
	Oh, no.
	Yeah, a lot of men will go into debt to send more people together.
	Wait, was he trying to meet up with you, though?
	Or he was just being full-on simp, like, here's money, but no expectations.
	Yes.
	He literally said that.
	Like, it's okay if we don't hang out or do anything.
	Is it pay pig?
	You like that?
	Did you yell at him?
	He would also, like.
	Was it like a Finding thing?
	That was just an insane.
	What the hell was that?
	I was saying, how was even that?
	The hell?
	Oh, boy.
	All right.
	We're still.
	Okay.
	It's crazy.
	It's crazy.
	All right.
	No, I mean, not what you're doing is crazy.
	More so.
	I blame the dudes.
	Yeah.
	I blame the guys doing this shit.
	That's crazy.
	He would do this weird thing where he would like take me out to dinner and order a lot of food, even though I insisted like it's kind of expensive.
	Like we don't need that much food.
	He would order like a whole buffet for us and wouldn't touch a single bite.
	And he'd say, go have some.
	Go have some.
	Some fever.
	It's a fever.
	He's trying to get her fat.
	Yeah.
	You're hell yeah, brother.
	You're quite small.
	No, I don't even know.
	No, you shouldn't make her big.
	He's trying to get her big.
	Was it a white guy?
	Yes.
	Oh, my God.
	Fuck the white guys.
	Shit.
	No more white men.
	No more feeders.
	Oh, Lord.
	No man.
	Ugh.
	White men?
	What the fuck?
	What the fuck?
	All right.
	You said you almost got kidnapped.
	Yes.
	Is this a different guy?
	Yes.
	What happened there?
	He was like almost 30, and he just had like all sorts of red flags.
	He did actually have a minivan.
	A Honda, what is it called?
	A Honda Odyssey.
	Running, Romania!
	This is why I don't go outside.
	Yeah, you gotta get it.
	Yo, chat.
	Is the audio, we changed something with the audio.
	Does it sound different?
	Does it sound better?
	We boosted the gain a little bit, and then also we did like a, it's either a high-pass or low-pass filter to hopefully, hopefully cut out some of the background noise.
	I don't know if it's done anything, but chat, can you?
	I saw somebody in the chat saying the audio sounds bad.
	Nick, could you pull up the chat for me really quick?
	So chat, is it sound okay?
	Does it sound does it sound better?
	Does it sound worse?
	Does it sound better or worse than normal?
	Audio is good.
	I hear the low pass.
	Seems like we're good.
	Sound weird trying to explain.
	Sound good.
	Clear.
	Sounds normal.
	So we boosted the gain last show, but we didn't change the like either high pass, low pass filter.
	That we just did today, but last show we boosted the gain a little bit.
	Have you guys heard any peaking?
	Yes peaking or no peaking?
	I mean audio peaking.
	Butters, blue pills, background cars sound worse.
	Sus statement, love the chill sounds okay, more low than, wait, more low than normal?
	That's weird.
	I think it sounds lower than normal.
	Who knows?
	Audio good, show equals bad, sweet.
	Thank you, man.
	What is peaking?
	I'm peeking.
	Oh my god.
	All right.
	I'm sure it's fine.
	I'll do an assessment.
	I would just leave it for the rest of the show.
	So, kidnapped, did you tell the story there?
	I didn't actually get kidnapped, obviously, because I'm here right now today.
	What was the story of?
	The story was that we were on a date.
	We were walking around.
	That's like my favorite first date because I don't know.
	I don't want to be stuck anywhere.
	Public place.
	Easy to run away.
	First chair, first year.
	I did run.
	Don't you worry, I did.
	But yeah, like he was like, we should get some ice cream or something after this.
	And I said, okay, sure.
	And as we were walking to his minivan, because at the time I didn't have a car, he just kind of grabbed me and he was like, oh, like hop in.
	Like, why are you resisting?
	And I was like, oh, you know, I don't actually really want ice cream anymore.
	Like, I'm not comfortable.
	And he's like, well, most women would have gotten in the car by now.
	And I was like, oh, okay.
	And I like, I don't even remember.
	Like, I blacked out, but I like somehow weaseled my way out and I just booked it.
	Wow.
	That was the story.
	Well, I'm happy you're safe now.
	Yeah.
	He actually said the word resisting.
	Yes.
	Oh, wow.
	Well, I was resisting.
	You need to be more careful on these hinge dates.
	I wonder how much public place.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	I don't think you can explain that over here.
	I mean, that's a weird scenario to put any person in, though.
	He's like, come in the van if you want some cleaner.
	Come with me, little girl.
	That's literally what they teach you in Stranger Danger.
	Yeah.
	But what if, was he, like, did he go, was he already in the van?
	Like, did he sit in his seat and then you were like, I remember walking towards the van and then he just like grabbed me and I was like, oh, he like grabbed your arms?
	Yeah, my arm.
	I was like, get in the van, baby.
	What had the conversation been before you went on the date?
	Was it more of like a hookup vibe, a date vibe?
	Not that any way.
	Whatever you're on, I'm just very pro stating expectations before dates because then there's no like miscommunication.
	But it would have never been your fault.
	I'm just curious.
	I have no idea.
	He seemed normal enough, I guess.
	Like we were having normal first date conversation.
	I don't know.
	You didn't know if it was like a sort of hookup situation or even through conversation?
	I have no idea.
	Oh, I'm glad you're safe.
	I'm glad you're safe too, but I feel like.
	Well, at least the way you explained it definitely sounds sus from his part.
	That's pretty, pretty sketchy.
	So there's two sides to it.
	He was like almost 30.
	That's uncomfortable.
	That's very uncomfortable.
	Oh, my God.
	That's pretty big.
	Okay, you said dating hot takes.
	I keep finding people that people don't understand how STDs are transmitted.
	Fucking scary because nobody around here has ever seen a condom.
	What do you mean by that?
	Exactly what I said.
	In Isla Vista, people don't use protection.
	And I've also found that if I've ever hooked up with someone and I was the one to bring up like, oh, like when was the last time you got tested?
	They either like just have never been tested ever in their entire fucking lives and they might be like in their 20s and they've hooked up with several people.
	And then like sometimes like people would say like, oh, you would just know if you have an STD.
	I was like, holy shit.
	Run.
	You can have chlamydia for months and not know it.
	And it can mess up your fertility.
	You won't be able to have children.
	You have it too long.
	Like it's, you got to get tested regardless.
	The whole thing.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	All right.
	And I mean, so like you'd be hooking up the guy and he's, oh, don't have a condom.
	I'm allergic to latex.
	You can get latex.
	Oh, I know.
	Other mediums.
	I know he didn't.
	You should keep them on you.
	You should keep them on you.
	Yeah, you should just keep them.
	He wasn't going to use it either way.
	You can make him use it.
	Don't do anything until he uses it.
	We didn't do anything.
	Okay.
	But I'm just like saying for the future, you should keep them with you and keep yourself safe.
	Keep yourself safe.
	Yes, I'm aware.
	Yeah.
	Okay, great.
	Wait, I have a question on this.
	So obviously, like, would you guys be fine?
	Like, let's say you're hooking up the guy and you want to have sex, but he's like, oh, I don't really like to use condoms.
	And assuming he respected your boundaries, but he said, well, I don't want to have sex unless it's without a condom.
	Would you respect?
	No, I'm not saying, would you have sex with him?
	That's not what I'm asking.
	Would you respect?
	He can have his boundaries.
	You can have your boundaries, right?
	But would you respect his choice to not want to have sex for that reason?
	I'll respect and also think that he might be a little nasty.
	Everyone has their preferences.
	I think it's just having those conversations before you're intimate with somebody and strangers without a condom.
	That's crazy.
	If he can pull up his STD history and when he's last year, when things like it tested two days ago, also if someone says I don't want to have sex, I'm not going to be like, what the?
	Are you serious?
	Like, if you don't want to, we don't have to.
	It's okay.
	If he's pulling it same day, hey, this is my STD test, and it's like all nasty.
	I just think if you want to date it today, I feel like if you want to have sex without a condom, that's like you either need to be in a relationship or very close to being in a relationship.
	Everyone's entitled to their preferences and you're entitled to say no.
	Safety first.
	Well, I'm well put.
	I'm very pro safe sex, as in like getting tested every sexual partner every time you even have sexual intercourse, things like that.
	So like safety first.
	Yeah.
	I'll get shit.
	I'll get my view on this.
	So I'm not interested in like having a bunch of casual sex with a bunch of different people.
	Like I prefer having like a girlfriend, long-term relationship.
	But truthfully, at least for me, I feel like it's kind of like land of no return or whatever.
	I don't know.
	Once you've had sex without a condom.
	You can't go back.
	I'd honestly, literally, like, if it's the choice is have sex with her with a condom and don't have sex with her, I'd rather just not have sex.
	I mean, condoms do.
	I know that sounds crazy.
	I'm a woman, and I'm a hot.
	I'm happy on that.
	I agree.
	I'd rather just not.
	Honestly, it doesn't do that.
	But it could go two ways with men and women.
	They could be kind of like manipulating in the way where it was like, oh, I'm not saying it's not.
	But that's the thing is that, like, I totally agree with you, but that's why I would never have sex if I wasn't like in a relationship or very close to being in one.
	I would rather, like, I'd rather just, if we have to have sex with a condom, like, I'd rather just not.
	And I'm totally cool with us not having sex.
	Yeah.
	I would just rather, like, if she tried to like pressure, no, let's still fuck.
	I'd be like, toughy.
	Let's just cuddle.
	That's a tough God.
	Let's just cuddle.
	Yeah, I'm going to turn her down.
	I honestly agree.
	I'm going to turn her down.
	I'm not going to, if she's not, like, if she's just not down.
	We can hit it from the bottom.
	That's totally cool.
	That's totally cool.
	We don't.
	Hey, we don't.
	I'd just rather not have sex.
	Crazy.
	Sorry, crazy.
	No, if you're a relationship guy, that makes sense to me.
	That's fine.
	Yeah.
	All right.
	You never said that.
	If you're sleeping with random people, you should be using a condom wherever you say first.
	If it's hooked up as easily.
	It's a completely different person.
	But if you're not having sex outside of relationships, it doesn't really matter.
	As long as you're tested before and after, probably.
	During as well.
	Wait, during.
	Yeah, during as well.
	In case your partner, you're getting tested during a relationship?
	Yes.
	Can you kill you?
	I'd rather just not have a hand job.
	Like if the only choice, like I'm with a girl and she's like, I don't want to do anything else, but I guess I'll get, oh, that's terrible framing, but yeah.
	Like the pity hand job.
	It's a pity hand job.
	This dry hand can do a lot of damage.
	I'd rather just not even, I don't even want a hand job.
	No hand job.
	Natalie's hot.
	Right?
	Right, chat.
	Wait, chat.
	I'll take three.
	I'll take three.
	Paul's like, I don't want to do anything, but I'll give you a hand job.
	Wouldn't you turn down the hand job?
	That's crazy.
	That's crazy.
	You rather your own hand, though.
	I'm not going to cuddle.
	No, I'd rather.
	Nothing.
	You rather World of Warcraft.
	There's no such thing as a good hand job.
	World of Warcraft, my babe.
	There's no such thing as a good hand.
	There's no such thing as a good hand job, right, chat?
	No, I.
	I guess if you agree.
	I'm not about this conversation, man.
	What?
	There might be a decent one out there.
	There's got to be at least one that was good.
	There's no such thing as a good send.
	There's got to be at least one that was decent.
	No such thing.
	He's got calluses.
	His skin's all ripped up.
	It's like sandpaper.
	Yeah, he's got a sandpaper hand.
	A woman's touch might hit a little nicer.
	Anyways, all right.
	All right.
	Moving on.
	Moving on.
	Ear muffs to the.
	Anyways.
	You said you think that men have become really lazy in dating.
	Yes.
	What do you mean?
	What do you mean by that?
	I mean, I'm paying a lot of the time.
	Oh.
	One sub.
	Thank you.
	Everyone closed.
	Thank you.
	I didn't even know we had that.
	That seems crazy.
	That's the new one.
	$5.
	Thank you for the subbies, W. I'm going to have to change that.
	Yeah, actually, speaking of which, guys, go to twitch.tv/slash whatever.
	Guys, drop us a follow, drop us a prime sub.
	Guys, it's been 30 minutes since we've had a prime.
	I think it's bugged.
	I think it's broken.
	Guys, Maddie's going to start streaming on there.
	We're going to have special guests.
	Natalie's going to come every once in a while to do streams with Natalie.
	Or with streams with Maddie.
	Excuse me.
	She's finding this out now, though.
	Oh, thank you for the Prime.
	She's finding this out now.
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	Guys, drop us a follow.
	Drop us Prime subs, boys.
	Yo, ABCH, thank you for the gifted 20 memberships.
	Hit that follow button, boys.
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	Durin Dahls with the 10 community subs.
	Thank you, man.
	You're a legend.
	Kung Fu Lenny, thank for the Prime.
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	We're going to be, we're going to do Twitch exclusive streams.
	Madison, IRL.
	Is she going to start?
	Are you going to start streaming on Twitch?
	She's going to start streaming on Twitch.
	We're going to do IRL.
	Can you give it to us after social media?
	I bought the streaming backpack.
	I'm getting it set up.
	Are you going to do it like a stream?
	It's going to be Madison.
	Oh, yeah.
	Can you give it to us so I can follow you after?
	I've streamed.
	The news would go so far.
	And then you guys can come on and stream with us.
	Oh, absolutely.
	I'm rating you every night, baby.
	The best person in the world.
	Oh, wow.
	That's offensive.
	What's your order?
	Hello?
	I'm right here.
	I don't care.
	You're trying to shoot your shot.
	What the?
	I'm still shooting.
	Maddie.
	She's bi-curious.
	I'm bi-curious for Maddie.
	Both our body counts.
	I'm Byron.
	I'm not sure if I can do it.
	I'm sure about that.
	Yeah, guys.
	We are going to prioritize those streams just on Twitch.
	So maybe we'll.
	I don't know if we simulcast.
	I think we do just Twitch for what days is it going to be?
	We're still figuring out the schedule.
	What do you know?
	I'm asking you.
	She's asking questions.
	Shut your mouth.
	But yeah, I mean, we're going to try to do super regular streams and like IRL walking around or like.
	Yeah, well, we kind of want to bring the show to the street.
	That would be fun.
	Like, you do that.
	That would be super fun.
	Makes sense.
	So entertaining.
	God damn, I got to get on the street around here.
	No, it's perfect sense.
	Men are being lazy.
	Tell us about that.
	Spling the bill.
	You're paying for it.
	Super lazy.
	You're paying for the bill or?
	Yes.
	Like, outside of the sugar daddy situations and like that one random feeder guy.
	Like, I'm paying.
	You mean for both?
	Yes.
	You pay for the guy?
	Yes.
	Really?
	I'm paying.
	Pay for your meal and walk out.
	So, how does that work?
	So is it the guy who's asking you out?
	Yeah.
	Like, he's like, hey, let's go get dinner.
	Can I ask a question?
	I'm sorry if it comes off offensive.
	How are you affording this?
	Because there's no income.
	You moved here from Massachusetts, right?
	Her unheritage.
	Her parents owned a maple syrup conglomerate.
	She's from Vermont.
	Vermont.
	Vermont.
	She's a hustler.
	What I don't understand is, like, why would you pay for their meal as well?
	Can you just pay for yours and walk out?
	Screw them.
	You don't have to pay for them.
	Usually, because I like them.
	She seems like I'm going out.
	I'm too busy.
	She seems to be.
	But if they're like, are they even offering beforehand or like they're just being weird about it?
	Yeah, so if they're not going to offer and they're going to be weird, like, okay, pay for your own stuff and be like, okay, pay for your own meal then.
	The least that you can do is offer.
	I'm totally fine paying for my own meal and all that, but the least you can do is offer.
	It's not like that simple though because they guilt trip you.
	Like some of these guys are.
	They just say no.
	They're like, I don't know.
	They're getting money.
	That sucks to suck.
	That's crazy.
	Because that's options.
	They go on a date and they have no money.
	That's not your fault.
	You just tell them to eat a dick.
	What's that?
	No scraps down.
	You sit down and you like have your meal.
	Like they give you the bill.
	Like, I'm not going to walk out and not pay like my waiters, my waitresses, like the rest of them.
	They can figure out how to pay the waiter.
	I'm not trying to be pro-man, but this is what happens to men every single day.
	So like it's kind of a crazy discussion that we're having.
	They expect me to pay.
	No, no.
	No, I agree.
	I like when men pay for me, but it is kind of like a funny thing.
	No, I'll pay for my own stuff, but it's like inviting the person out to the date.
	Whoever invites, I agree.
	Yeah, how are you affording this?
	How?
	This is a good question.
	I don't know.
	Why do you have money?
	I think that's really business because I'll just.
	None of us are narrows, but I do want to know.
	I'm going to do it in a conversation.
	I think that's the last cross tracker wire that came into your bank account.
	Like, where was the source of that money?
	Don't listen to me.
	You don't have to.
	They work for the IRS.
	They work for the ops.
	They work for the ops.
	Believe me, the IR ops get audited.
	No, but I think that's what I mean.
	Because, like, even then, like, if I went on a first date with a guy, I'd still pay my own bill.
	So, where I'm coming from is like, you should just pay your own stuff.
	No, no, I'll just pay my own things.
	I'll pay for my own IRs.
	I don't go on splitting it.
	Canada is different, though.
	You have your own tax.
	It's not weird.
	Sorry.
	Yeah.
	If my mentality with dates, and I've told you guys this many times, is if I go on a date and they want to pay the whole bill, I feel almost obligated to text back, and that's why I'm not going to pay for it.
	If they want to pay the whole bill, I'd be like, no, let me get it.
	At least a portion.
	I'll pay for the whole check, but I just, the idea to me is like, if they pay the whole bill, I'll feel bad.
	I'll go obligated to text them.
	That's what I mean.
	Oh, my God.
	Thank you so much.
	If he offers the whole bill, I'll be like, well, no, let me get it.
	But if he's going to sit there and be like, eh, I have to go to the bathroom.
	Like, fuck you, pay your own bill.
	Was he like dating death?
	Yeah, I'll pay my own bill.
	Like, whatever.
	What if he didn't?
	What about the situationship?
	Are you guys going 50-50?
	He's paying me.
	No, no, no situationship.
	No chance.
	I really wouldn't know.
	No, I hope he's paying.
	I think when you're actually dating, I think the dynamic.
	When you're dating, it's different because you do.
	Usually, like with dating, you do, okay, you hit it, I hit it, you hit it, I hit it.
	At least for me.
	Like one at a time.
	I agree.
	I am not saying that I will have to be paying for everything.
	And I think that I would like to stop doing that.
	I think you should.
	Yeah, I think I should as well.
	And the question was like, oh, like, Abby, you think that men are being lazy and dating?
	Yes.
	And this is why I find myself guilt-tripped and manipulated into paying for literally everything.
	Just don't pay for their meal, dog.
	Just get my bill for your own meal.
	I don't like them.
	What if you care about me?
	I'm going to be honest.
	Are you going to like, you, you're, you're literally saying that you feel like men are being lazy and dating, but then you're also saying, like, what if I like them?
	You don't like them.
	He didn't pay for your meal.
	You got to be a career.
	Give your own meal and leave.
	Becca.
	He's not your man, baby.
	It sounds like you're willing to put up with it because you're making it.
	Don't put up with it.
	I think so.
	Don't put up with it.
	It depends on the whole thing.
	That's what she wants on the bus.
	What she wants.
	She's paying the whole bill.
	What does she need to put up with?
	Oh, she doesn't need to, but she is.
	I gotta fix it.
	That's true.
	No, but what does she need to put up with?
	I didn't say that.
	She's talking about.
	What should she not put up with?
	She's talking about how when she goes out to dates with men and then at the end of the date, you know, she feels she has to pay the whole bill, like her bill and the man's meal.
	Kind of like how much of that.
	No, that's fine.
	But then she's also saying, like, but I'm super traditional.
	I don't like that men aren't paying for my dinner.
	Wait, did I miss the part where she said she's super traditional?
	That's what she said.
	She said she wants men to pay for her things.
	Oh, hold on.
	Let me just come in here for just a sec.
	You're super traditional.
	I don't remember her.
	Okay, so let me.
	Okay, I'll throw that out the window.
	Okay, let me throw super traditional out the window.
	For the right men, let me throw super traditional out the window.
	But she did say she would prefer that men pay for meals because they're lazy and dating.
	But if you're going out on dates with men who aren't paying your meals, why are you paying for their meals?
	Throw them out the window.
	Well, it's not intentional.
	Besides, maybe with like some specific people, I'm seeing like repeatedly.
	Like, I don't go into a first date thinking, like, oh, yeah, like, if they don't want to pay, I'm going to like put up with it.
	Like, it's just, what are you going to do?
	Like, I am not the type of person to not pay if we sit down.
	If it's more like, oh, it's just so awkward.
	Like, or what if it's just burgers and you're like at the window and you like order your burgers and they're like, okay, the bill is this.
	I'm not going to like look at the person serving us or like taking the bill and look at like the guy and be like, I guess we can't eat.
	Let's go into an actual example.
	Okay.
	Give us a did that happen?
	You were at a burger place?
	Hold on, hold on, hold on.
	Were you actually at a burger place and this actually happened?
	It probably has happened.
	What do you mean it probably has?
	Are you just affording all of this?
	I also have that question.
	I really do.
	My thing is that it's like if you want a man to pay for your dinner, why would you pay for his dinner at all?
	I understand that you're saying you feel awkward and stuff, but like you either want him to pay for you or not.
	I can't force someone to pay.
	Well, hold on.
	No, you can't.
	You can say, I'm going to make my own meal and they'll get dinner.
	Thank you.
	And I say that.
	Like, I offer.
	I'm like, hey, why don't we go 50-50?
	But they guilt trip you.
	They say, I don't have any money.
	Like, there's always something.
	Tell them to eat a dick.
	What?
	And then you walk out?
	No, no.
	You pay for your own meal and tell them, screw you.
	I'm not paying for yourself.
	I think you know what I'm talking about.
	What kind of date are you doing?
	Baby, you got to stick up for yourself.
	You got to stick up for yourself.
	That's what's happening.
	I'm getting way too many questions.
	Let's do one at a time.
	Abigail is going to ask you.
	Oh, I want to know how you're getting money.
	Okay, yeah.
	People have been curious.
	Why don't you answer that?
	Okay.
	I don't know super like how to.
	I just have it.
	Does that make any sense?
	Yeah, I just have a lot of money in your bank account.
	How'd you just come across a ton of money?
	Can you take me to dinner?
	I might not pay.
	She has no banks.
	I don't have any money.
	Yeah.
	Don't look at me.
	I'm not saving you.
	No, we don't have to go into it.
	And remember the almost 30-year-old children.
	I seriously just feel like it's easy.
	I seriously feel like you should just tell men no.
	If you don't want to pay for their meals, you need to get to a point where you can tell people no.
	Will you walk me through this situation where you put yourself in my shoes?
	Yes.
	Like it's going down.
	You are sitting down.
	You're sitting down at supper.
	You get the bill.
	And they say.
	So this is what I ordered.
	Can you put that on a separate bill for me?
	No.
	That's what you would say to the woman.
	Yes, I would.
	Because I'm paying for my own support.
	Us are like single.
	Well, no, no.
	Even if I'm in a relationship, anything like that, I'll pay for my own thing.
	I think the thing is, is you need to get more comfortable telling people no.
	No, you need to stop going on hinge dates with dudes you don't like and then being surprised when it doesn't work out.
	It's like not a match from the beginning.
	If you're hanging out, you're hanging out.
	If you're on a date, I don't think it's like that.
	I was going to say, there seems to be a pattern of you going out with guys who don't pay.
	So maybe, I mean, it's on her.
	Look for different.
	No, it's not on her.
	I think you just need to get comfortable with telling people no.
	I think you'll get there eventually.
	I'm still a little confused.
	I mean, okay, so how old are the guys you're typically dating?
	Like in their 20s?
	In their 20s.
	Yeah.
	And I'm assuming, at least the way it typically goes, like, they're asking you out, correct?
	Yes.
	Okay, so you're matching with them on dating apps?
	Yes.
	And how many times would you say that this has occurred?
	Or you've gone on a date and you paid the whole bill?
	50% of the time.
	But no, not percentage.
	How many dates?
	There's been so many, Brian.
	I could not give you a number.
	Oh, for sure.
	More than 10?
	I don't know.
	I don't know.
	How long have you been dating?
	I've been dating since I was legal to do that.
	Like, I just.
	Wait, legal?
	Wait, what?
	Wait, let me read this.
	Law Paladin's Trust Fund, baby.
	Obviously, she's picking dates the same way that men pick women.
	She doesn't care about their money, just like men don't care about a woman's money.
	Well, it's still, I mean, even if you're wealthy or not wealthy, typically people are going to.
	I'm not wealthy.
	I also just feel like you seem like a sweet girl and you kind of have a duty to, you know, put your, you know, protect yourself and whatever.
	And if you don't like the way you're being treated because you think men aren't treating you right on date stuff, you have a duty to tell them, no, I'm not paying for you on the date.
	If you don't want to, no one's going to advocate for you except yourself.
	Exactly.
	I feel like maybe it's the way you're presenting yourself to the pushover.
	Yes.
	Yes.
	I mean, I have pretty bad anxiety.
	I'd have to say you're not.
	Julie has terrible anxiety.
	I have horrible anxiety.
	I had panic attacks in the karaoke bar.
	I mean, as a guy, I've never gone into a date, especially if I asked the girl.
	I've never gone into the date ever expecting that she pay the whole bill.
	Perhaps there's, you know, perhaps it could at minimum be a split, or I'm going to just pay for the whole thing.
	So it's odd to me that these guys are going, like, they're asking you on a date, but they're not even going in prepared to at least pay their bill.
	That's really weird.
	That's really weird.
	And that's why that's her problem.
	That's where the point is.
	But that's what she's saying.
	That men are getting lazy and dating.
	That's her point.
	We can even double down with this area and like how expensive this area is in particular and things like that.
	It's a Santa Barbara problem.
	No, no, that's what's weird about it, I'm saying.
	It's like.
	Well, I mean, people are definitely struggling.
	I mean, even with all that, you should be able to tell people, like, fuck no.
	Like, you know, I earned this myself.
	Maybe the problem is.
	Even if you do like them, they should respect you.
	If they like you, they'll respect you when you say no.
	But I think the problem is, like, from what you've said earlier, is that you win on dates because you want a friend and like you're kind of filling time and like looking for a companion.
	So I think you're probably just not picking the kind of men who are paying for dates.
	And that's no shade to you.
	Like, I like hanging out with people as well.
	I think it's probably just the people that you're picking.
	You should be a little more selective.
	I don't like go on like dates where you would like pay for something like supper with guys who I don't think I like very much.
	That's like a walk.
	Wait, can I ask you a question?
	Are you so you said this has happened like at least 10 times or so?
	Yeah, probably.
	Okay.
	And are you going more so to like sit-down restaurants?
	Sometimes.
	And or sometimes it's like go to the counter or have a burger.
	You go to the counter and order.
	Hmm?
	No, first date.
	But it's happening on second dates too.
	You're still paying?
	Well, like on the first date, we walk.
	Like we, like, it doesn't cost money.
	Like, he has to get himself there.
	Okay.
	And then we're walking.
	Okay, so on first dates, you don't go for like food or drinks or anything.
	Okay, so this is why.
	This is happening on second dates then.
	Why?
	Are you proposing?
	Hold on.
	Are you proposing the walking date or are they?
	Me.
	Because I don't know if that's the same thing.
	But okay, so if you're initiating the first date, are you not then initiating the second date?
	I didn't initiate the date.
	I just chose the.
	But you said men are lazy.
	Men are lazy because I go on dates with them and they don't pay.
	But that's never been the case for a first date because you only go on walking dates and you ask for the walking dates.
	So second dates, you're asking for the second date or they're asking for the second date?
	It depends.
	Like, it depends on the.
	It's not like the same every time.
	So second dates that they ask for, you're encountering men that are not willing to pay the bill.
	Yes.
	Even though they're asking for it, correct?
	Okay.
	And so are you offering to pay?
	No, I'm not offering.
	I get put in a position where I feel like I have to.
	So give us an example.
	Give us three examples.
	I feel like I have.
	Okay, well, so the waiter comes.
	Yes.
	And then puts.
	Okay.
	Hope you guys had a good meal.
	I'm the waiter.
	What happens?
	Explain it to me.
	I'll kind of like sit there and like, I always will like fuck around with my purse or my wallet just to like seem courteous.
	Yes, exactly.
	You want to see like what's going to happen here?
	What's going to unfold?
	And then at that point, sometimes they really don't pick up their wallet and they might be on their phone.
	They might have gotten up to leave.
	And then I'm kind of like, oh fuck.
	Like, you get anxious and you don't think about it.
	You're just like, well, it's okay.
	It's not that big of a deal.
	It's only like $20.
	Like, there you go.
	And it's just done.
	You want it off your hands.
	I'm not going to be like confrontational.
	I just might not see them again after that.
	But like, it's not one of those things where I'm going to be like, oh, you should pay.
	Or like, we need to do that.
	No, you don't have to like confront your dates.
	And you just kind of.
	Yeah.
	You also don't have to be.
	You don't have to be confrontational, but you also need to be assertive if that's what you want.
	It's not even assertive.
	It's like, well, confrontational.
	We're splitting this.
	Well, yeah, that's what I'm saying.
	Just be like, say, hey, are we splitting this or what's going on?
	And then start up asking.
	That's it.
	And then they say, oh, like, I'm really tight on money right now.
	Like, I can't do it.
	And then so then say, pay for your own meal then.
	How many times has that actually happened?
	Has that happened more than one time?
	Yes, it's happened more than listen.
	I've been different.
	Different guys.
	How many different guys has a guy said the checks come?
	Oh, I'm tight on money.
	Half the time I go on a date, which I have been on quite a few, that happens.
	That's also like if they're tight on money and they can't pay for their own meal, go wash dishes in the back, babe.
	You did it to yourself.
	You did it yourself.
	Okay, but what makes it lazy?
	This is.
	I believe you.
	It just sounds very.
	No, she makes point.
	What makes it lazy?
	Lazy is like you can't even pay your own way.
	I would say that's what makes it lazy.
	But when are you going out for a lobster dinner if you can't pay for your lobster dinner?
	It's a $20 date.
	The type of guy who's okay going on a $20 date, I wouldn't expect him to pay.
	Hold on, hold on.
	That's not true.
	That's not good.
	Let's go, Nicolette.
	Hold on, that's not true.
	I'm totally fine with a $20 date.
	I just, you need to pay your own way.
	Or let me know beforehand instead of me being stuck there with a bill.
	Even McDonald's isn't even $20.
	I'll fuck with McDonald's.
	I'm not afraid of inflation.
	It wasn't.
	Listen, are you getting a $20?
	I'll pick you up in my car and I'll drive us to McDonald's right now.
	I don't care.
	I'll be your sugar.
	But my question is, lazy.
	Like, I just feel like you're describing the fact that you had to pay as, like, the men are lazy, but like for the multiple years, years ago where men were meant to pay, were the women lazy?
	Even though I scratched that idea, the lazy, how are they lazy?
	As in, they go to this dinner, they're there, and you don't even like present the idea of being like, let's split the bill.
	Laziness would be like, like, I don't even know what laziness would be.
	It seems like you're shy and you're being taken advantage of.
	I have all the cops for like Lol Paladins donated $200.
	If you run into one broke dude, you ran into run into one broke dude.
	If you only run into broke dudes, you are the problem.
	She's picking dudes only on his appearance and drizz.
	I don't think that's necessarily true.
	I think she might just be shy.
	Do they speak English?
	Oh, I'm shy.
	Yeah, I'm really shy.
	Do they speak English?
	Are they fluent in English?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Well, do you really shy?
	I mean, you're young and you're making it.
	Even if you're not shy, well, even if you're not shy that's my dad, I'm here.
	I'm here because I'm shy.
	Coffee diets.
	Maybe if I'm exclusively coffee dates, worst case scenario, that can be here.
	Just one sec, guys.
	Law Paladins, thank you.
	Let me just read this really quick.
	John Green, okay, how many women do you think would have to be respected after before sex, considering STDs?
	Wait, what?
	What would their body count be before?
	How many women do you think would have to be respected after before something?
	That doesn't make any sense.
	This is when we were talking about.
	Oh, this is a while ago.
	This is a while ago.
	But what is the one?
	20 minutes ago?
	John Green, by the way, send it through Streamlabs if you can.
	I mean, YouTube's fine, but YouTube takes that big percentage.
	So thank you, John Green.
	Appreciate it, man.
	Appreciate it.
	I don't understand the question really, though.
	Do you guys care about the question?
	And I don't know who's asking me.
	If it's something about STDs, I do ask about like when's the last time you got STDs?
	Of course, you have to.
	I always ask about that.
	You should always respect them before sex.
	Well, no, only respect them.
	Not after.
	I'm considering not a money before them actually after you go get tested still, right?
	I still do it, right?
	I have a feeling he's saying, like, would we really be considering respecting a woman if we have to consider STDs?
	Meaning, she's had so many partners that, like, you have to consider STDs even when he has anything about, like, would we consider like she does whatever.
	You need to consider STDs.
	She's going to do whatever.
	That's as close as women.
	McKenna does whatever.
	She does whatever.
	That's kind of frisky there, McKenna.
	Thank you.
	All right.
	Wait, so, anyways, going back to this, okay, so I want to give you a couple strategies here.
	Okay.
	Let me give you a strategy.
	First off, you got to just like, deaths.
	At the end, if the waiter brings the bill, I'm giving you game here, right?
	You got to just, you can't be, oh, let me look through my purse, try to do the whole like token.
	Oh, you want, should I, you want me to get this?
	No, you got to just sit there, sit there, and just fucking look at them.
	Yep.
	But then, what if I'm a bitch?
	Like, I don't want to be a bitch.
	Well, this is your honor to be matched or you would have no money.
	Wait, quick.
	Oh, wait.
	Here's another question.
	Any of these guys who made you pay on the second date, did you smash them?
	Oh, don't tell me.
	It ain't so.
	Man, good for them.
	Good for those guys.
	Good for those guys.
	Alpha, stand up.
	Let's go.
	Wait, did you have carnal knowledge?
	You've got to be pick a different phrase.
	Carnal knowledge.
	S and P and the V. Yeah.
	So, no, it's fine.
	Not all of them.
	If you're going to reward them for bad behavior and not do anything for them.
	That's gangster son.
	I think you need to have a much more clear line of communication before they get to the bottom.
	Did they get a cell phone from the government?
	Okay, never mind.
	They got an Obama phone.
	No, I think you should just have these conversations before you go out.
	And it seems like you do because it's on the second date, but be like, hey, this is what I'm looking for.
	If this is not what you're looking for.
	Wait, are these.
	You said you date only Mexican guys.
	Were these like Mexican guys?
	Sometimes, yes.
	I thought Mexican guys were super traditional.
	Not from Oxnard.
	They are most of the time.
	No, but they're more like traditional.
	I was like, mine.
	Do you like present yourself as having a lot of money?
	Like, do you say, oh, I'm just here.
	I don't have a job.
	I think she's actually an heiress to a person.
	That's what I'm saying.
	I'm just existing.
	Like, I'm wearing normal clothes.
	Like, I'm not even wealthy.
	I'm just like me.
	Like, I think they do assume that, though, because they assume that because I'm not in school, I don't work, but I'm still existing and have been in Santa Barbara, California.
	Yeah, literally.
	And I have like, I don't have a beater car.
	Like, they kind of go.
	Do you have your own place?
	No, I don't have my own place.
	You have a roommate or a housemate?
	I have a housemate.
	Okay.
	You look like Detective Mike Hunt donated $200.
	Oh, yes.
	They were brave and decent men.
	He's a brave and a decent man.
	He's a pioneer.
	These men are pioneering.
	I got to get some game from these guys.
	Hold on.
	The girl is paying for the date and they're still kidding.
	Do you want to manipulate people?
	Wait, how are they manipulating?
	Yeah, but at what cost?
	Like, that's where you have some money.
	These guys are.
	It's a guilt trip.
	Like, if someone's telling you I'm dirt poor, like, I really fucked them.
	I really like you.
	Like, you're so beautiful.
	Like, I really want to see you, but like, I just really don't have the money this week, maybe next week.
	Like, what are you going to do?
	You're going to fucking see him in the first place.
	You're getting finesse.
	I'm sorry.
	You're going out to dinner with him.
	You shouldn't have seen him in the first place.
	I think he'll even pay for his own portion of the meal.
	Oh, Lord.
	If that's the case, if he's like, oh, I'm so, I'll do it next week.
	I'm so sorry.
	I'm so broke.
	Then he should have waited till next week.
	This is crazy.
	This is a crazy conversation.
	Wait, okay, hold on.
	Well, I don't think there's anything necessarily wrong.
	First off, I think they're lying.
	They probably do have money, but they're probably just using you.
	Secondly.
	Send them Venmo requests.
	Secondly, I think that murder.
	What was I going to say?
	Sorry.
	Interrupted.
	I feel like men just think that they look bad to women if they don't pay.
	So, like, they have to kind of find a way to get them to pay.
	So it's not necessarily manipulation in my eyes, but it's, like...
	Find a way to get them to pay.
	They kind of like, they have the money.
	Maybe they're just lying about it because they're like, hey, I don't know how to tell you that I'm not going to pay for the date.
	I think you should pay.
	Yeah.
	I just like men get looked down on if they don't pay for it.
	So they kind of have to make an excuse about you.
	So in addition to splitting the bill or even paying for the whole bill, you said driving.
	So you'll pick these dudes up.
	On occasion.
	And then you'll also, you put in more time, I guess.
	Ah, man.
	It sucks.
	I'm not happy about it.
	And I hear like the temple saying that, like, yeah, that's because that's the consensus is like, this is your fault.
	Like, you're not going to be able to do it.
	No, I'm not going to extend.
	No, I don't think it's your fault at all.
	I think.
	Oh, whoa.
	I feel like we're missing.
	No, I think you're young, and I think there's a lack of like communication and a lack of boundaries that you're comfortable with.
	So I don't need more boundaries before.
	I don't mean it in a way that it's your fault.
	I'm just trying to be like, oh, you should just be more careful about this.
	You don't have to allow yourself to continue going through this.
	And you deserve a lot better.
	I do want to say when I said you might have been shy earlier, you seemed like you were a little upset by me saying that.
	And I didn't mean that.
	It was just me trying to engage with what exactly is going on.
	Like I was just trying to figure it out.
	And if you're not shy, you're not shy.
	City boys.
	But City Boy Summer.
	I do think you should probably, you know, vet these men out before you go on dates with them if you don't like the dates that you're going on.
	If you don't like that you're picking them up, you don't like that you're paying for their dinner, blah, You should say, tell them before you go on the date, I'm not paying for your date.
	I gotta be honest, though, this is more than you're doing.
	It seems like you're really affordable.
	Hold on, I'm coming.
	Hold on, hold on.
	This is crazy, though, because I've never encountered a girl who's asked me, hey, do you have enough to at least pay for your meal?
	Like the fact, like, she's admirable, really.
	The girl, like, it's a bold story.
	At least as a girl, like, the minimum should be you're at least gonna, you're gonna pay your thing.
	He's gonna pay his.
	That's a given.
	Like, that's a fair thing.
	That's a given.
	A lot of guys are just gonna pay for the whole meal.
	But the fact that they're the guy as a male, you're going on a date and not at least expecting to pay for your own shit, that's weird.
	Like, I think that's what I'm saying.
	That's weird.
	You should, I have enough next week.
	That's like, no, at the end of the day, you just shouldn't pay for their stuff if you don't want to.
	That would be weird to do with a friend.
	Like, if you're meeting up with a friend for food and like I pay for their shit all the time.
	What the hell?
	Oh.
	No, but if you don't bring it, like, you should always have your own money.
	That's no, you should always have your own money.
	I mean, you should blank.
	But you should also be ready to tell people no at the same time.
	Or Beta Bucks, be the alpha fuck that gets the woman to buy you dinner.
	If you're buying her food, she sees you as a provider.
	Trend harder.
	I only buy dinner for Brian.
	Yeah, dude.
	He's eating good tonight.
	That's it.
	He's an AF.
	Call me Brian.
	I want a free meal.
	Okay.
	Paladin is Brian.
	Thank you, bro.
	Identify as Brian.
	I identify as Brian.
	Lol Paladins.
	Thank you, bro.
	Appreciate it.
	I'm a paladin, actually.
	I'm a level 11 blood elf paladin.
	You're a level 11 company.
	I just started last night.
	I renewed my WAS description.
	I'm busy for the next couple months.
	Good to know.
	Thank you for sharing.
	Yeah, that's crazy, man.
	You got to talk to a doctor about that or something.
	I think you're just a sweet girl and you enjoy the company, but I think you should be able to get it.
	You should set more boundaries.
	You should set more boundaries.
	You're definitely walking all over you.
	Besides just the fact that you like Mexican guys, what else is your type?
	Guys who don't have blasted in tats.
	Guys who have no money.
	That doesn't necessarily matter.
	I like the hair, like curly hair, like physically.
	Like, that's more important than what do they call that, Hercut?
	The curly hair?
	Haircut doesn't matter.
	Just like that's called the Edgar.
	He's the only one who's not a fan of the girl.
	No, I don't think he's referring to that haircut.
	What's the age range of the guys?
	They're like all over, like anywhere from like 19 to like 30.
	It's like in their mind.
	What's the oldest guy who made you pay?
	Up tough.
	He's like 35.
	28.
	That's really pretty.
	That's some game right there.
	Yeah.
	I got to meet these dudes.
	These guys are some fucking legends.
	That's a game that's just like taking advantage of someone who hasn't game.
	Hasn't yet stepped into her own boundaries.
	That's kind of game.
	Would we ever say?
	Wait, hold on.
	Would we ever say any of this shit in the reverse, though?
	Because that's game as fuck.
	No, men are overwhelmingly paying for first aids, paying the whole bill.
	If I get a 28-year-old man to pay for my meal, that's game as hell.
	I don't think it's just me.
	That's normal.
	You think it's game to get a guy to pay for your dinner?
	No, because I usually pay for my own shit.
	Yeah, but it's not game.
	You think it's game to make a guy pay for yourself?
	Listen, I got games.
	That's like the default.
	No, no, no.
	That's the default.
	No, no, I've gambled.
	Yeah, okay.
	I think it is a default.
	If that's game, what are you saying?
	I have no game?
	No, you have your friends.
	You have no game.
	You might have a little more game than you would.
	Just give me a game.
	No, actually, you know what, though?
	Just a little more.
	I actually don't.
	I think she does have game.
	Paying for men's meals?
	Like the naivete thing?
	That's game.
	Yeah, that is game.
	I mean, like, that is her brain.
	That's game.
	Naivete.
	No, no, but if it's, but hold on, because if the game went hard enough, her meal would be paid for.
	If the game went hard enough.
	If the game went hard enough, her meal would be paid for.
	She's just not playing the game right.
	Yeah, you're playing the game, but you gotta just tell, you gotta play it the other way and get your meals.
	That's also called manipulation.
	She also gets to her.
	Let's get her reference.
	You should do that just for reference.
	I think you should do that.
	I don't think this is like me being naive.
	I think that I can see what's going on.
	I know that they're manipulating me.
	I know that they probably have the money.
	And I just like feel fucking bad and it works.
	Like, I'm sorry.
	Like, I can be manipulated.
	Like, it works.
	You're just too sweet.
	You're honestly just too sweet.
	You really got to tell people you should.
	It's such a strange coincidence, though, that you've ran into so many men that do they have like a group chat or something?
	Hey, guess what?
	Watch the pods.
	Naive.
	If you want a free mate.
	I don't want to pay.
	I've never gone into a date that I asked for expecting her to pay for that.
	It's just different people.
	That's like next level.
	Props to them.
	What do you think about women inviting you on a date?
	Do you expect she would pay the whole bill if she invites you on a date?
	What do you think about that?
	At least half, huh?
	Or at least half?
	I mean, I'd go in like probably like half or if she wants to pay for it, fine, but I'd be prepared to at least pay half.
	But if she asked me out and she's like, you pay, I'd be like, oh, okay.
	Well, that's weird.
	That's just a bit of a damage.
	Actually, you know what?
	I probably still would pay.
	Because you'd be like, dang, that was a good idea.
	Are you easily manipulated too?
	I mean, it's a $10, $20 meal.
	I don't think that's a good thing.
	Whoa, where are you going?
	Damn, what the hell is that?
	In and out.
	In and out.
	We had Arby's the other day.
	It was kind of his.
	It was expensive.
	$15.
	Arby's was expensive, but I mean, this brings up what kind of first date etiquette, like maybe go out for coffee or like tea instead of a steak dinner.
	You know what?
	This is my soft guy era.
	Drizzle, drizzle.
	Yeah, actually, girls should pay for the first date.
	What?
	I agree.
	Next day.
	They're all first dates.
	Soft guy summer?
	I don't know.
	He's in his principal relationship that you want.
	I think it depends on the kind of relationship that you want.
	That's what you're looking for, for sure.
	If you're looking for a relationship that's super traditional where you want a man to provide or whatever the hell, it makes sense that he would pay on the first date.
	If you are liberal and you don't give a fuck, okay, pay on the first date then.
	So men are lazy, though.
	No, no.
	No, she said that.
	That was my fault.
	In any other ways?
	That was the lazy.
	Is it just the like paying for the date thing?
	That's how they're lazy?
	Is it also like sex too?
	Like, they only want you on top.
	TMI.
	That loud.
	Wait, hitting it from below?
	The hell?
	Nothing?
	Nothing.
	I didn't say nothing.
	I didn't say goddamn words.
	Why?
	Okay, ladies.
	What's happening?
	Hey, yo, ladies.
	How's your day going?
	Is that it, though?
	Is that?
	I don't know.
	We have nothing to add.
	Guys are lazy, I guess.
	No, I want to know.
	Like, I feel like it's easy for you guys to say, like, if you were in that position, this is what you would do.
	But it doesn't sound like many of you guys have been in the position where you have felt like you had to pay regularly on dates.
	So it's like, oh, yeah, like, you should just say, like, fuck off.
	But, like, no, what would you actually say?
	I don't even need to say fuck off.
	Some people really do have the confidence.
	You don't need to get aggressive.
	You don't need to get aggressive and fight them.
	You just say, I'm paying for my own meal.
	Throw hands on your own.
	You should be like, wait, what's that thing from Borat?
	Ooh.
	It's like, you'll never get this.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	You'll never get this.
	You're not going to pay.
	You always wait if you get the Borat voice.
	Guaranteed winning.
	I get that Borat voice.
	I would never say fuck off.
	I would say, at least, let's split.
	Like, even if they ordered more than me, I would be like, okay, we're going to be able to do it.
	You can always say that.
	You need to be careful.
	I only have enough for mine.
	You can split the bill.
	You can do that too.
	Also, to answer your question, I've been on.
	Sorry, go ahead.
	I've been on a lot of first dates and I've never paid.
	So I don't know.
	I don't know.
	I'm not getting it in this situation.
	Wait, let's go.
	Let's go.
	Like, that's my point.
	You get the whole thing.
	You would never get this.
	Go ahead.
	Go ahead.
	Nope.
	Just do your.
	No, go ahead.
	Go ahead.
	Just do your best.
	It's not that we've never been in that position before.
	It's that we understand the position that you're in.
	And I hope that you will get to a point where you can tell people the boundaries.
	I want you to get to a point where you can tell people no.
	No, no, no.
	I have a few things.
	Because it seems like you don't want to pay for it.
	You don't like it.
	You like pain cooking.
	I'm going on a walk.
	Play it, Nick.
	So then, so then I.
	I don't want.
	I'm not paying for your stuff.
	Just the audience.
	My sister, she shows her vagina to my brother Bilo and say, you will never get this.
	You will never get this.
	La la la la.
	Vil behind his bed.
	Crazy, crazy.
	Everybody laughs.
	She doesn't.
	You'll never get this.
	Anyways.
	I love Borat.
	God damn.
	I feel like we're not getting the whole story on this.
	You know what I mean?
	Sorry, keep playing with this clip.
	God damn it.
	Stop it.
	I have my hands.
	I need ADHD.
	Yeah.
	She needs ADHD.
	I need the DDD.
	What the?
	Anyways.
	I will say, though, like, we're trying.
	Sorry.
	Sorry.
	Okay.
	Anyways, so men are lazy, though.
	Men are lazy.
	They're not putting in enough effort.
	Yes.
	I think they're putting in a lot of effort to get you to pay every time.
	I feel like there's a group chat.
	Like, that seems weird, like, one after another.
	That seems odd.
	Anyways, we're going to move on.
	We've been talking about this for a little too long.
	I want to come back.
	Killer of Cereal.
	I don't know if he's still in the chat.
	He was, he asked about the most embarrassing date.
	Was that what he said?
	From you?
	No, I think it was from you.
	Wasn't it for the whole panel?
	He said, Brian, what's yours?
	Yeah, what's yours?
	Oh, wait.
	I thought you asked the whole panel.
	No, go with you.
	Out of frame.
	Oh, sorry.
	Sorry.
	I try to tell us yours.
	Hold on, let me look at what he actually wrote.
	Hold on a sec, guys.
	It's probably about you.
	Probably.
	So you can just skip it and then.
	Brian.
	He says, what's up, ladies?
	He says, what's up, ladies and Brian?
	Question: What is the most embarrassing thing you can remember doing or happening to you on any dates?
	I don't think I've had anything too embarrassing, to be honest.
	One time I was on the first date with this girl, barely spoke English, Japanese chick.
	We're at this dive bar, super dark.
	And I accidentally spill wine all over her.
	Oh, no.
	Nothing too embarrassing.
	Tuffy.
	Unfortunately, I did not.
	That did you pay for the wine?
	Yeah, I paid.
	I was super apologetic.
	It was an accident.
	I just like, I don't know, the couple's on the table, and I was.
	Doing your moves?
	Your shower's some moves.
	Fucking this spilled over fucking sales.
	Red or white wine?
	Red wine.
	Oh, you got to pay for her outfit, too.
	I said sorry, and then, you know.
	Can you pay for my wine?
	What about you?
	Most embarrassing thing?
	I mean, I've only been on two first dates in my life.
	How about, okay.
	Hanging out with a guy.
	Most embarrassing thing.
	Any guy.
	Michelle92 donated $200 for them.
	These guys are fucking legends.
	Trucker here.
	Met my fiancé six years ago and engaged for almost a year.
	Paid for 99% of our meals, even if money is a bit tight.
	She rarely pays.
	They got to do better.
	I'm confused.
	It's a W. Legend seems to be awesome.
	Well, I'm confused because your donators are saying that they pay for a meal, but they're also saying, you know, women are, you know, greedy gold diggers and disgusting.
	Well, I agree with the person that's not.
	But I don't know what's going on.
	You paying for our meals or do you hate that you pay for our meals?
	Both.
	Finish.
	Oh, well, I don't know.
	I don't know who said it, but somebody said if you're looking more for a traditional, then it makes more sense.
	But I personally think even if you're looking for a traditional, I feel like the woman should pay.
	And the only reason why I say that is because at the end of the day, we're looking for providers.
	So how do we prove that we're capable of having them as providers?
	So we would pay.
	They prove that they're a provider by paying for the meal.
	They prove they can be.
	How would we prove that we're worthy of having them being a good person?
	Yeah, just being a sweet woman, being comfortable, being enjoyable, being a put-together woman, not you can't be aware of that.
	Someone that can raise your children.
	Enjoy your burger.
	What did women receive first?
	Like, it's the guy that should be taking initiative, and then you show them.
	Well, because we have to bear your child.
	Hello?
	That's that part.
	Most terrible argument for why.
	It's the best argument.
	How many people are there?
	Of all the men who've ever paid for a first date for you, I've never been a private person.
	How many children?
	Yeah, not me, baby.
	You're not going to get me.
	Okay, fine.
	You've dated men, right?
	Yeah, I was in relationships.
	You've hooked up with men, right?
	No, I haven't.
	Didn't you say your body counts?
	Well, I was like, yeah, well, I was like in high school.
	Most girls have never dated anybody, but they have like a body count of 20.
	My body count is actually 87.
	I dated one guy for four years and I had a little bit of a drink.
	Okay, no, no.
	I was in high school and it wasn't like serious.
	Like I was just like.
	Yeah, but when I use the word date, it's not like he's in a tuxedo.
	You're in a super nice dress.
	No, no, you got that a couple times.
	No, no, no.
	No, I had two real boyfriends, like real date.
	And then other than that, it was just like fucking hookups.
	Like it didn't mean anything.
	That was before I got into relationships.
	Did they take you out before?
	No, I never went on a date or anything.
	No.
	I was like 17.
	I was 17.
	I didn't know what it meant to like date another human being.
	But like this whole argument of, well, I birthed children, therefore you should pay for the first time.
	Well, hold on.
	Birthing children really fucks you up.
	It fucks your body up.
	It fucks your mind up.
	Not distorted.
	So there are girls, I would say probably out of the world.
	You have to give a lot to have a kid.
	A lot of girls will go on dozens, if not over 100 dates before they meet the guy who will finally give them a child.
	Sure.
	So what do you say to all those men that she did not get pregnant for?
	The justification for you having to pay.
	Hold on, stop interrupting.
	The justification for you having to pay for the first date is because potentially one day you might get me pregnant, but none of them got her pregnant.
	I don't think that's just a justification for the first time.
	Yeah, but that's the argument you made.
	Men should pay for dates because women get pregnant.
	You made that argument.
	I agree.
	Well, I'm just here.
	I'm just a girl.
	The order is different.
	Like, men have to kind of take the initiative.
	And then.
	Yeah, I feel like you should take the enough.
	Because in the end, it's like him kind of feeling out.
	Anyways, most embarrassing date.
	Go ahead.
	Damn.
	Again, I don't really have any embarrassing dates, I guess.
	Okay, okay, hold on.
	Most embarrassing moment with a man.
	Can we come back to me and I don't think about it?
	I think like just like getting my period while having sex and then queefing blood everywhere.
	Watch!
	Yeah, because it happens to the best of us.
	Bro, you didn't have to go there.
	It really didn't happen.
	It happens to the best of us.
	GMI.
	Damn, son.
	You're on the bottom.
	I wanted to know.
	I wanted to know.
	I told you.
	Yeah.
	Maybe three children.
	Shit, okay.
	Hey, look, you know, you just think the best strategy as a guy.
	You just gotta ignore that shit.
	It's hard to respect more.
	Just keep hit.
	I respect her.
	You know what?
	Never mind.
	Keep hitting.
	Because she's gonna feel bad for the queef.
	If she queefs, you have to just ignore her.
	There's blood splattering.
	Well there's queef and the blood thing that's different.
	But that was if she got her period, you wouldn't keep going.
	The blood quee.
	You wouldn't keep blood queef?
	I'm celebrating this.
	Blood queef.
	That's our band name.
	That's a bannable offense.
	Blood queef.
	What was her other band name?
	Natalie's gonna be the lead singer.
	No, I think she's gonna be the lead singer.
	She's gonna be the lead queefist.
	I'm the blood creeper.
	Oh, fuck.
	The lead queefist.
	That's gonna be the.
	We're gonna put a mic.
	Are we gonna do an opera right now?
	It's like an organ.
	It's just all these women.
	Someone's got the keys.
	Put a trumpet in there.
	Put a flute.
	American Pie.
	This one time at Bandcamp.
	This one time at Band Camp.
	I need a noise for one time at Bandcamp.
	Now I want to watch Stuck a Flute in My Pussy.
	Okay.
	What's that show called?
	It's American Pie.
	No, no, not American Pie.
	What is it called?
	High Machine?
	It's probably like, trying to think about it.
	My ex-boyfriend's brother wants in.
	I thought that was really embarrassing.
	Anyways, moving on.
	What about you, Nicolette?
	Most embarrassing situation with the guy.
	So it's more embarrassing on his part.
	We went on a really nice date.
	It took me to this expensive sushi restaurant, LA.
	The date went really well.
	He ordered from me, which I thought was really cool.
	He paid, obviously.
	And then we go back to his house.
	We're just sitting there watching music videos.
	I'm like, okay, like I want to get laid.
	So I'm like, oh, like show me your bedroom.
	Wait, you wanted to get laid?
	Yeah.
	Okay, of course.
	I'm sure he did, too.
	But I had to initiate because he was in.
	He's been a pussy.
	Yeah.
	So we're like trying to hook up and it's like his dick isn't getting hard and that's never happened to me before.
	So I was just like, I didn't say anything about it.
	I was just like, we can just cuddle.
	And he was like, okay.
	So we cuddle.
	Then we start making out, you know, start up again.
	And I like told him, like, put on a condom because I'm not going to like fuck him raw.
	So he's just like trying to get hard.
	not working and then i'm like in doggy and i just feel him like sitting there waiting No, I just feel him like, I don't know, playing around back there, trying to figure it out.
	So I like look back and there's no condom on his penis.
	So I freak out and I'm like, he didn't get in me because he was just like soft, you know?
	But like still, I'm going to freak out because what the hell are you doing?
	And I'm like, where's the condom?
	And we're in the middle of the bed.
	It's like a big bed and it's like on the floor behind, you know?
	So he's like, oh, it must have fallen off.
	And I'm like freaking out.
	And then I start making fun of like his age.
	He was older.
	He's like 42.
	So I'm like, does this happen to you often?
	You can't get hard.
	You're old.
	This hasn't happened to me before.
	Blah blah blah blah.
	So I was just like being really mean to him.
	But I wouldn't have done that if he hadn't tried to fuck me without a condom.
	Because remember, I didn't bring up the soft dick issue right away.
	It's kind of a little more dark than I was hoping.
	Well, anyway, anyway, so I'm gonna say technically.
	No, anyway, so I'm a bitch to him.
	I leave his house, and then I felt so bad how I was just like bullying him.
	You went back to fuck him?
	No.
	Okay.
	I sent him flowers to his house.
	This guy's not paying for dates, getting flowers.
	He paid for the date.
	But yeah.
	So that was like embarrassing for him.
	Okay.
	I call this the rumble stick story.
	So hold on, everyone.
	By the way, can we try to be brief with the stories if you can?
	So, okay, so I was with my ex of five years, and in the middle of sex or whatever, you know, he's doing his thing.
	He stops.
	You know, he pulls back, but he's not all the way out.
	Farts.
	Huge fart.
	I swear to God, I felt a rumble through his dick into me.
	The whole thing.
	It's a rumble stick story.
	It was awful.
	Why are these awesome stories?
	Yeah, I know.
	I'm the only one who gave a wholesome.
	There's no wholesome.
	I'm from OnlyFans.
	Would you expect a wholesome?
	I don't know.
	Maybe.
	That's great.
	No, I would never.
	Anyways, it was awful.
	It was embarrassing.
	I couldn't stop laughing.
	I hated every second of it, but we made it through.
	Okay.
	The question was: what is the most embarrassing thing you can remember doing or happening to you on any date?
	I've never been on a date.
	I've never been on a date.
	But it could be like a date could involve you guys hanging out.
	Yeah, we hung out.
	All right, intimacy.
	You degen.
	Okay, we hit it.
	We hung out.
	All right, what about you?
	I don't have any.
	I don't have any embarrassing date stories.
	Okay.
	Mine's going to be pretty lame compared to these.
	I went on a date not that long ago and I left kind of early because it wasn't super enjoyable.
	And I was in my Uber home and I left my phone at his house, so I had to like knock at his door after.
	Like, hey, I left that was kind of awkward, but it's not.
	Not a period queef, unfortunately.
	I don't have one.
	I don't have one either.
	I just don't guy who's not just a contender, but something I did.
	I don't drink or do drugs.
	I've only ever smoked weed once in my life.
	And it was with this guy who had just started dating.
	And I was like trying to be cool.
	So I took a hit.
	I don't even know what it was.
	And like five minutes later, I just fell down and passed out for like two hours.
	And then apparently I like came to and I was like, no, we are going to dinner.
	And went to dinner.
	And it's funny because I don't eat like anything that's fried or like seed oil stuff.
	And then ate a bunch of fried gator, apparently.
	And I don't really remember it.
	Damn.
	Crazy girl.
	Madison.
	Come on.
	You got stories.
	There's got to be one.
	Come on.
	Tijuana?
	Just one.
	I said the most insane thing.
	You could say a little something.
	Tijuana story.
	Is the Tijuana story?
	Yeah.
	About me?
	There's more than one Tijuana story?
	When we went.
	Oh, you and me.
	Brian.
	I took Brian to Tijuana for the first time.
	Never happened.
	That's crazy.
	That sounds amazing.
	Anyways.
	McKenna, I really want to know how Vermont Girl makes money.
	Why is it such a secret?
	What kind of car did you drive?
	Because you say you pick up the guys.
	What kind of car do you drive?
	It's a Mercedes SUV.
	I've seen it.
	What's that?
	MSRC.
	What car does everyone drive?
	MSRP.
	I will say I bought mine lightly used, so it wasn't like what year?
	2021.
	Oh, okay.
	Used.
	It was 2021.
	I think like brand new they go for like 55, maybe 50, I don't know.
	So used it was what?
	I'm not gonna say.
	Oh.
	Can I ask how many horsepower is that?
	How many miles were on it?
	A few.
	Okay, Kelly blue booked that shit 2021.
	2021.
	We're not helping her.
	That's your case.
	GLA.
	Yeah, how do you make it?
	How many manipulating me?
	I just want to know how many horsepower it is.
	Wait, I just want to know how many horsepower it is.
	It's not like super fast.
	It's not horsepower.
	I need to swear.
	How many horsepower?
	It's just like...
	Okay, good talk.
	You answer every question except for how do you make money.
	Somehow, like, all of her answers leave me with more.
	Can you read this?
	Yeah.
	Quick.
	Me?
	Yeah.
	Okay, sorry.
	I actually understand the point of view of this girl.
	She has my sympathy.
	It's hard to show up to a date in a Porsche and then not be willing to pay for a hamburger.
	For sure.
	For sure.
	You sell drugs?
	I don't sell or do drugs.
	I'm sober.
	Do you sell any illicit black market shit?
	I didn't even get a narc on herself.
	That's so true.
	Okay.
	Good talk.
	Let's see.
	We have a couple chats here.
	We'll get to really quick.
	McKenna does whatever.
	Did I miss it?
	How does Charming Fork make her money?
	I totally want to know.
	Charming Fork.
	Thank you, McKenna.
	Does whatever.
	She does the whatever podcast.
	I guess you got to DM the Instagram page if you want to be on the whatever.
	Okay, whatever.
	How does Vermont Girl make her damn money?
	McKenna is really invested.
	We all are.
	In how you make your money.
	McKenna, how do you make your money?
	By the way, Nick, on the split, can you change it to black?
	Sorry.
	Holy shit.
	Oh, my bad.
	Just go ahead.
	Do you want to answer the question?
	Click on color source.
	Me answer.
	Yeah, you can talk.
	Answer.
	Answer what question?
	Perfect.
	If you want to answer how you make your money, that's what McKenna's asking.
	I like make a little money, but I mostly just have money.
	You got stocks?
	Stocks.
	I have some.
	Yeah?
	GME?
	She has Bitcoin, actually.
	Yeah, any crypto?
	Just a little.
	She started Bitcoin.
	You got some.
	I don't really fully trust it, but.
	What do you got?
	Doge?
	Are you a Doge?
	Into the Doge?
	No.
	Shiba Yinu?
	Ethereum?
	Bitcoin?
	A little bit.
	A little bit.
	I told you, Bitcoin.
	I don't know.
	That's right.
	Wait, when you asked the MSRP, she said, I don't know.
	I didn't buy it.
	Who bought it?
	No, I bought it with my money.
	I meant, like, I didn't get to finish.
	I didn't buy it brand new, so I don't know what the MSRP for like a brand new version of Minecraft is.
	I mean, it's everyone's asking how she got her money.
	I mean, not to be flippant about it, but like your parents passed away when you were young.
	I don't know what kind of estate they left to you, but I would assume there was some degree of inheritance.
	Is that fair to assume?
	Some, but like, I will be like so like blunt and so straightforward.
	Like, I grew up poor as fuck.
	Like, we were in poverty, like, constantly.
	Like, my dad left me nothing.
	He died with like a shit ton of like credit card debt.
	So your dad left you nothing?
	Absolutely nothing except a bunch of shitty clothes.
	What about mom?
	Mom, she had like a life insurance policy, which is like a smidgen.
	So you're not helping your case.
	I know.
	I don't know.
	So it wasn't your parents.
	You know how you make your money.
	You know how you make your money.
	You're just not saying it.
	At least say that.
	Say, I know how I make my money.
	I'm just not saying it.
	Well, like, honestly, I don't, because I feel like it's just in there.
	So it land funds your life.
	Where did it come from?
	How can I also do that?
	Like, it's just in my account.
	Like, I don't know.
	It just shows up.
	I know that I invested in the middle of the day.
	That's a little here and there.
	Like, sometimes I do not think that's a good thing.
	You said you grew up poor.
	Your father left you with nothing.
	Your mother had that life insurance policy that could have, I don't know.
	I'm not familiar with life insurance, how much it would pay out in this sort of situation.
	My mom's.
	But you said it wasn't a lot.
	No.
	Well, you haven't.
	I guess that's subjective.
	I guess that's subjective.
	I'm assuming you paid at least $40,000 for that Mercedes around there, right?
	It's a lot of money.
	Where are you getting this money?
	She lives in Bayesian.
	She's funding your life.
	She lives in Santa Barbara, which is one of the highest cost of living cities in the United States.
	What bank is this that it just shows up?
	So a random rogue bank in Montana because I used to live in Montana.
	And money just shows up.
	She's a mystery.
	You're volunteering.
	So a man funds her life.
	She hasn't said no.
	So I know.
	Are you an assassin?
	Obviously.
	Obviously, I'm an assassin.
	Yeah, that's me.
	For sure, for sure.
	So you always aren't there.
	What do you guys think, chat?
	Maybe she had a really good job before she stopped working.
	It could have been in there from a message.
	No, she talked about her past job.
	Yeah, she's too young to have gotten into Bitcoin.
	She just added.
	No, I mean, look, she could have been like one of these 11-year-olds or some shit.
	NFTs?
	She made so many weird things.
	Nobody made money on NFTs.
	Didn't that like eight-year-old make weird money?
	They're all saying escort.
	Sugar baby.
	Have you done escorting?
	No.
	Every girl in the world.
	She's paying for the dates.
	Yeah.
	It's just, it's not adding up.
	It doesn't add up to me either.
	But I'm glad.
	I'm happy.
	Yeah, but you would know your own circumstances.
	I swear I don't.
	Like, I know.
	I know how money gets into my bank.
	She just has nobody else's credit cards.
	I would like to not know where all this money came from.
	She stole it.
	Whatever, she's got it now.
	I just, I have more questions each time we ask her.
	She answers my favorite question except the main one.
	Can you read this one?
	You want me to read it?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	They say, sounds like a life insurance policy awarded to trust.
	Trust managed by bank.
	She magically receives dispersing.
	Dispersions.
	Yeah, I can read.
	Yeah, I mean, that's part of it.
	What's the other part?
	That's part of it.
	Like, all sorts of things.
	Like, I don't know.
	Do you do like odd jobs here and there?
	I do.
	Okay, odd jobs.
	Okay, so somewhat of a.
	All right.
	We're not, we won't press her too much.
	We were going.
	Oh, your embarrassing thing.
	Did you?
	Hmm.
	Embarrassing thing.
	Oh, it was.
	You asked to skip, right?
	Well, yeah, I mean, I guess like a family member walking in.
	That's not that embarrassing.
	Yeah.
	That's good.
	Good to know.
	Good to know.
	All right, let's get back to the pre-show notes here.
	Let's see.
	We're going to go to back to Nikki.
	You said hookup culture is a lie.
	We've been fed.
	Are you going from like our DMs from a year ago?
	Yeah, your pre-show notes.
	Oh, okay.
	You said you dated a guy from an old Nickelodeon show, but he ended up being a huge racist.
	What's the story then?
	I told that the last time I was on.
	Yeah, it was.
	10-second story then, I guess.
	Yeah, it was just like, I thought he was a regular guy.
	I thought he was going to be really cool.
	We went out.
	And like, we go back, we're driving back, and he's like, so anyway, I think certain race of people aren't as smart because they are a certain race.
	And I just went, is this a joke?
	Damn.
	Is this a real thing?
	That's crazy.
	And I was like, oh, this is, he probably just has really weird off-the-wall humor.
	I guess.
	And then he doubled down and just kind of kept going.
	And I was like, you know what?
	You can just, I'm going to go.
	It was just the most awkward experience of my life that he was not kidding.
	And I was like, wow.
	Ruin that show for me.
	90s Nick or Y2K?
	Y2K.
	90s, Nick.
	All right.
	Is that like all that?
	Yeah.
	You said slightly rational deal breakers that shouldn't be deal breakers, but totally are mine.
	Is anyone who likes country music immediate no?
	I still don't like country music, ironically enough.
	Lol Paladins, looking forward to the Caleb Hammer whatever podcast collaboration.
	Taquitos, Taquitos, Taquitos.
	Who is Caleb Hammer?
	Doesn't he do the audits on your bank account?
	I don't know.
	I don't know if I'm going to be able to do that.
	I'm pretty sure it's a guy from Texas who goes through your bank statements.
	Oh, so he's going to audit her?
	Okay.
	I don't know.
	Sounds good.
	We'll get her back on the show with Caleb, I guess.
	Anyways, and then you said red pill culture is also bullshit.
	What do you mean?
	So kind of like the people in the chat saying like, oh, these guys are legends.
	Like they're getting girls to pay for dates.
	Like, is that really the kind of person you want to be?
	Like, tricking people into paying for.
	Wait, how's it tricking people?
	I mean, well, at least in Abby's case, the whole thing.
	Oh, I'm sorry.
	Like, I don't have money.
	And she's thinking they probably do.
	And then some people are like, what a legend.
	Like, odd thing to idolize, is my opinion.
	My question, is it more red pill culture or more like blue pill culture with that point of view?
	Which one is, which, which one's which?
	Red is like blue is what?
	Blue is what?
	Conservative right-leaning.
	So, like, isn't it, isn't it more like democratic, left-leaning to be, like, having women pay for dates?
	I thought red pill was like the, like, all women are 304s.
	You just.
	That is red pill.
	Okay.
	But if women are paying for dates, that's usually under the category of like, oh, it's a more like a liberal point of view or like left-leaning because it's like usually men are the providers of like their red pill point of view.
	I would say just the red pill culture that has anything to do with like treat women however you want and they're not worth any type of respect.
	Like that's what I think of when I think of red pill culture.
	I feel like that is not conducive to a good society.
	It kind of pits people against each other.
	And since men are, in my opinion, the initiators and the providers, the leaders, really, women are kind of more in the responding section of that.
	So it's hard for women to stand up and be like, no, we don't really want to do this because it's more natural for us to lead and follow.
	So you also said men aren't the enemy.
	It's women acting out of line.
	What do you mean by that?
	Wild take.
	No, that's what you said.
	Oh, I know what I said.
	I was thinking more of like the really crazy liberal feminists that are like kind of parading around, like proud that they're getting abortions, like proud of just like sleeping around.
	It makes me so sad.
	And it just makes me wonder, like, are you truly happy living this way?
	Or have you been so hurt by your past experiences that you're trying to use anything to cope and kind of make it empowering?
	So, yeah, I feel like there's been a lot of.
	Do you think there are men who have, you know, you know, done that hurt to women who are proud of the hurt that they've done to that?
	Yeah, it's on both sides.
	Anyone who's proud to hurt people is...
	So do you think it's reactionary on a woman's side or do you think, what is it on a woman's side?
	I think it's hard to make that kind of generalization because there's...
	You made a huge generalization.
	You said the women out of line are bad for society, and now you don't want to make a generalization?
	Make a generalization.
	You already did.
	I think anyone has to be out of line.
	Like, anyone proud to manipulate people, men or women, is wrong.
	So why it's more.
	I'm focusing specifically on the women, though, that do it.
	I can see that.
	Sorry, I'm a little, I got a little tired in that minute there, but I'm here.
	I'm here now.
	I'm fighting.
	Can I bring Chick-fil-A?
	It smells like a bunch of stuff.
	It smells like Chick-fil-A.
	It smells like Chick-fil-A.
	No, but I'm saying you brought up something against women, but you didn't say anything like, oh, but men do this as well.
	You didn't say, you know, I can bring up a little bit, but it's fine.
	That's the whole point of this.
	There's a few questions.
	I just want to know.
	You know what actually prompts a lot of these questions?
	I don't know if we can talk about these topics.
	So I'll let Brian.
	They probably talk about a lot of these topics.
	I'll see you guys in the next one.
	Like, I don't know if I want to go here.
	Women being very supportive of people who aren't actually women saying that they're now women.
	Oh, like trans topics.
	Yeah, I don't know if that's allowed.
	It's Pride Month.
	Let's just drop the subject.
	Yeah.
	Oh, I thought you said, get into it.
	I got excited.
	Let's drop Pride Month.
	Let's get into this.
	Like, I feel like that's not for women.
	Well, I mean, yeah, but we were talking about trans people.
	We were talking about men.
	You can't talk about certain subjects during the pride of the world.
	And that's also not great either.
	Like, you can't even not supporting certain viewpoints.
	And it's that.
	Yeah, which is very adamant about supporting certain viewpoints.
	So I feel like you should drop it.
	I also want to say that I wasn't talking about trans people.
	I was talking about men specifically.
	What do you want to talk about?
	Well, you dropped something about women specifically.
	So I was like, so why not bring up anything that men have done?
	Why is it that it's a woman's issue?
	Rather than women.
	I can bring up both.
	I mean, there's places where men are at fault and there's places where women are at fault.
	So in that specific issue that you brought up, is it just a woman's issue or do men have any played a part?
	Of course I have a part.
	So what would the part be?
	I would probably say being the not the demand.
	Like they're kind of creating a demand for a certain type of woman.
	Like, oh, I want to just sleep around on the first date and I want to make sure I have a girl who does that.
	And then women are kind of like, okay, I guess I'll just do that.
	Okay, so men created a hookup culture and women participated in it.
	I think if you take a step back, and I think if you say that feminism, I would say, is sort of the precursor to the red pill movement.
	I think women did create the problem because feminism went way too far in A, telling women that they could treat their sexuality basically not basically acting like men.
	And I think it subverted what was a really, really nice traditional arrangement between men and women where men would provide for women.
	Do you think it's okay if men sleep around?
	I don't support promiscuity.
	I don't think men should sleep around either.
	So how are we getting to this point where you call yourself a certified e-what?
	E-whore, baby, e-whore, baby.
	Sorry.
	But when you like joke about that, I think that sort of dovetails with what you're saying in the sense that when you joke about being an e whore, that doesn't really make men want to treat you or view women as respecting themselves and as deserving.
	They're going to call me a whore regardless.
	Whether I call myself a whore.
	Well, if you're on.
	If you're on OnlyFans, I think it's kind of like a catch.
	What self-watch.
	I don't really think my race is.
	Watch yourself, Brian.
	Watch yourself.
	What?
	Watch yourself.
	I think we just call shitty people shitty people.
	Yeah.
	I mean, people are going to call me names regardless.
	Like, no matter what.
	Like, I'll be live streaming on Twitch playing fucking World of Warcraft and they'll be like, you're a disgusting whore.
	Show me your asshole.
	And I'm like, wow.
	You're like, in the same breath.
	Yeah.
	Did I just play this game?
	Like, I'm going to get treated like garbage regardless just for being a woman and all my family.
	Talking in the scope of dating, though, I think OnlyFans are just that general approach to female sexuality where you're commodifying your body for, okay, not $5 a month, but $20 a month.
	That sort of just breaks down the fabric of traditional relationships where men feel like they can treat you poorly because they're not.
	If I feel like a man is treating me poorly, I wouldn't give him the time of day.
	It's hard because men are considered how women are creating the content.
	I don't have the ability to enforce that man.
	I do.
	No, you don't.
	A creepy guy who could be treating you horribly could still pay and subscribe to your own.
	But I wouldn't date him if he's treating me horribly.
	But they still get access to you.
	And they could put your watch totally.
	It's the same thing as me posting.
	I have all my clothes on during my post-war.
	She doesn't do news.
	Me too.
	I don't do news.
	I don't.
	You just have to pay to look at it.
	Lingerie is fine.
	That doesn't bother me.
	The thing is, I wouldn't interact with someone who I felt like was being mean to me.
	If you're going to be mean to me because of something that I do, buy.
	That's not an issue for me.
	I'm not necessarily talking about an interpersonal, like being mean to you.
	But you're talking about dating.
	I'm talking about how men approach relationships.
	I'm not talking like you're sitting on a date and they say something offensive to you.
	I'm talking about like, I think when women have sort of taken the feminism pill hardcore and they're, oh, I don't need a man, men or whatever, that men are going to be more inclined to not treat you with what is a more traditional, cherishing role that women.
	I think that I do need a man.
	I would love to have a man in my life and I would love to have some sort of relationship when the time comes.
	But right now, because I'm doing OnlyFans, there's a lot of men who don't want to interact with me.
	And also because I'm not particularly interested in having a relationship right now, there's a lot of men who don't, you know, wouldn't pursue me.
	And that's fine with me.
	That doesn't bother me.
	I think women are born inherently with their value, and your job as a woman is to preserve it by not making choices where you sell yourself out for a variety of people.
	I think my job to work hard.
	Can I add something to this?
	But sure.
	A lot of these companies and these, like, the whole thing.
	Everyone sells sex.
	It's also started by men a lot of times.
	Everyone sells sex.
	It's weird.
	This is a weird point of view to be like, oh, it's women's fault for doing this.
	But a lot of times these are.
	Porn happened before OnlyFans.
	Except people were profiting off of women before OnlyFans and therapy.
	It's weird to be blaming.
	My critique is of feminism, and we have women to blame pretty heavily for that.
	Feminism.
	We're not saying, oh, bring power to prostitution or anything.
	This has been happening for many, many, many years.
	I'm also saying OnlyFans is different.
	It's not healthy.
	OnlyFans is a different level of life.
	So if you have more parasocial.
	Hold on.
	If I did pornography, would it be okay if I was shut up on Pornhub?
	So why are you saying OnlyFans is on a different level than pornography?
	Well, what I was saying is women are born inherently with their value, in my opinion, and men are not.
	And they have to work to achieve it, right?
	If you look at what men go after, beauty and women, more or less, and women go after men with status that they can provide for them.
	And all I'm saying is that when you do things like OnlyFans, when you do things like porn, now take a step back.
	Okay, if it would have been 30 years ago, it wouldn't have been OnlyFans.
	It would have been, who knows, prostitution, whatever that up in that current, that year it would have been, that you are denigrating yourself and basically proving that you are not a woman that is deserving, not of respect, but that you're not upholding your inherent value as a woman.
	Would you say a man's inherent value would be ruined if he did porn?
	Well, not even anyone.
	I mean, I think anyone would, but I think where we derive our value from is slightly different.
	And just on your point about OnlyFans.
	Or the men running this.
	Again, it's like these women are in these vulnerable states who don't have any means to be able to make money.
	We can throw the vulnerable states out the window, though.
	So you're saying you guys are being exploited by this.
	No, I'm saying we can throw that out the window.
	No way from many, many years ago.
	That was my like my statement.
	No, no.
	It's like where this first started, right?
	It was, it was like, for example, men's taking advantage of these women who needed a means of making money, right?
	Sex work years and years ago.
	Sex work has always been a thing, though.
	Even in like years is years of like before Christ, after Christ, all those years, sex work has always been a thing.
	So it derived from men controlling women a lot of times, too.
	So like, I don't get the point of holding women accountable, but saying men are like, it's okay, right?
	No, I think we ought to hold them both accountable.
	Yeah, exactly.
	I think I'm not both accountable if one account will hold the other.
	I'm not saying to not hold men accountable.
	I think the CEO of OnlyFans, who I've actually believed is a woman, but the owner of it is a Ukrainian.
	The CEO now is a woman, but who's it was from it started to be a problem.
	Yeah, but that's no offense.
	It sounded like you guys are trying to deflect blame.
	You guys are choosing to make content.
	I was about to say that.
	No, no, no, sorry.
	Did I have an OnlyFans?
	That's crazy.
	If a woman doing OnlyFans wouldn't be popular if they just didn't put themselves in the situation to be on OnlyFans.
	Men are going to make women popular whether you're on OnlyFans.
	What is the point?
	I'm so lost here.
	What's the point?
	I feel like what I don't respect is more like the not so much like someone doing OnlyFans.
	Because obviously I would respect most people because you're a person.
	Any person has inherent value, but it's this idea of chasing meaningless pleasure, like just the ease.
	Yeah, I don't respect people who are like, oh, it's easy.
	It's easy to consume porn.
	It's easy to just like put out content.
	Like that doesn't seem if the point is that it's going to like limit your dating pool.
	Sure, I hear that.
	If the point is that it's not morally correct in your eyes, sure, I get that.
	Like what is the point of this?
	I don't understand.
	What is like, what are you saying?
	Oh, I guess I think it's who is to blame for this.
	Nobody is to blame.
	But it's also like is it detrimental to my society model?
	That's kind of like a moment.
	It's like, is OnlyFans detrimental to society?
	I'm not sure.
	The normalization of OnlyFans is detrimental to society, yes.
	Yeah.
	I can say that as someone who works in the future.
	We should also blame every fast food worker for obesity.
	See, I wouldn't say anyone who works in any bad industry.
	Blame everyone for the bad aspect of capitalism at that point.
	We should not get rid of capital.
	You are playing.
	You just said the industry that I'm going to be able to do.
	I don't believe in the normalization of it.
	That's crazy.
	I would never recommend to anyone that came to me to make an account.
	I would never say, yeah, you should make one.
	If you have an account, I can probably make you more money than you can make yourself.
	Like, that's it.
	I'm just curious from your personal moral perspective, how do you justify working in an industry that you think are not going to be a good idea?
	I have no moral dilemma with it.
	I don't think that we should be talking about it like vlogs of, oh, I just bought this yacht and went on this $20,000 date.
	I think people should be open to the discussion of the negative side effects of OnlyFans, and we should have these conversations.
	You shouldn't vilify the people in it.
	You shouldn't vilify the people in it.
	Vilify the industry, not the people.
	Well, I just think I'm very sex work neutral.
	If you do it, you do it if you don't fit your action.
	Yeah, and have I not taken account of accountability for that fans?
	Have I not taken accountability this whole time?
	I'm not vilifying you.
	Okay.
	What's up, Val?
	I do think she makes a good point that women who are participating in the industry are a problem.
	And I think that they make a good point that men who are participating in the industry by watching it and paying for it are playing a part.
	Both of the, I mean, sex work in general is wrong.
	And anyone who participates in it, it's not a good thing to do.
	It's a wrong thing to do.
	So, I mean, of course, the men who are watching it shouldn't be watching it.
	And the women who are participating shouldn't be participating it.
	We can take accountability.
	The industry is ruining society.
	Nobody should be participating.
	Also, the fact that, like, even like, even if I wasn't doing like OnlyFans or whatever, like, there's gonna be men who speak to me in such a disgusting, horrible way, like, who come into me, like, why aren't you selling nudes?
	Like, I literally was streaming on Twitch the other day playing World of Warcraft, and they're like, why aren't you showing your ass?
	Yeah, that shirt is so high on you.
	There's so many, like, I don't do OF, and I still get those DMs.
	You don't have to.
	No, no, it's not the men bad.
	I'm just saying they're creating a demand for it.
	They're like, I literally had someone mad at me being like, why aren't you advertising your OnlyFans?
	Why aren't you being nice to me?
	I'm like, I'm not being nice to you because you're being weird.
	This is chatterbait, you freak.
	That's crazy.
	Sorry, my bad.
	I don't mean to be afraid.
	What is your plan?
	Like, kind of after OnlyFans.
	Yeah.
	I'm getting my degree in accounting.
	Oh, nice.
	Yeah.
	And if someone doesn't want to hire me because I have OnlyFans or whatever, that's fine, whatever.
	I'll work at a gas station for the rest of my life if I have to.
	She sounds like a hustler.
	Whatever makes it work.
	Listen, I'm from the Boonies, dog.
	We got three McDonald's.
	She didn't mention that.
	No, again, I don't want to make anyone who has an OnlyFans feel bad.
	I wish you didn't do it.
	It's what it is.
	It is what it is.
	But yeah, to say, I can't take it back.
	It's Julie's fault because OnlyFans.
	I'm from the Boonies.
	I'm from the Boonies dog.
	I'm Lee McDonald's.
	I'm the Boonies, dog.
	No, no, no, no, I'm not from Coover, I'm not from Coover, I'm from like a small town.
	She's from the mean streets of Vancouver.
	No, no, no, hold on.
	It takes eight hours for me to get to Coover.
	So Coover.
	Coover.
	Leave me alone.
	That's what it's called.
	Leave me alone.
	Peach a peach.
	Go ahead.
	Continue.
	Well, I was going to say.
	Wait, hold on.
	Abigail, go ahead.
	Go ahead.
	Continue Abigail.
	Oh, wait.
	I think I made my point that women who participate in the industry are absolutely part of the problem.
	Of course, we're not blaming those women for the industry.
	But you're absolutely part of the problem.
	And if you think that sex work or the industry is ruining society, I don't think you should play a part in it.
	Yeah.
	I get that.
	I got to eat though.
	I mean, yeah, you might really need money, but there really are other ways to make money.
	No, there are.
	There are easy ways.
	There are certain things.
	Not everything that's easy is good.
	There's usually things that are easier.
	Hold on.
	But yeah, that's the point I was trying to make of like the ease, like the percentage.
	I want to do the easiest thing.
	Here's the thing about.
	So I could work at a gas station.
	I'm working there 30 hours a week.
	You know, I get a paycheck of $1,500 a month that covers my rent, doesn't cover all of my bills.
	It doesn't cover my schooling or anything like that.
	I work on OnlyFans.
	I post three photos a week.
	I make three grand a month without doing anything.
	If I work harder, I make more than that.
	Why wouldn't I do that?
	Why wouldn't I?
	My schooling's paid for.
	My rent's paid for.
	My food is paid for.
	My gas adds up.
	My insurance is the only thing you care about.
	I care about having a roof over my head.
	No, can I access that?
	So you turn 18 years old and you marry a 40-year-old and then you get a roof, you get everything, right?
	I don't want to marry a 40-year-old.
	No, I'm saying, but it's easy.
	So you're saying easy means bad, right?
	Easy is not always bad.
	Yeah.
	It's not always bad.
	I said usually.
	Usually bad.
	So you're saying just marrying a random 40-year-old just to pay your bills.
	Do we hate age gas?
	Is bad.
	I mean, I would say, yeah, there's better.
	If you care about a future and a family and you're just settling for a guy just because he has money, that's not a great situation.
	Well, the money's the benefit.
	The money's the benefit.
	It's not the reason.
	It's easy.
	Like, I think I'm sure most of us probably think our jobs are maybe inherently easy.
	Like, we're naturally drawn to something.
	It is the job in and of itself.
	I would say that OnlyFans is probably like morally wrong.
	Yeah.
	There's a lot of things in life that people do that are morally wrong.
	Well, I don't think OnlyFans is easy, though.
	Yeah.
	Because you have to deal with all this hate from people and telling you you're bad, you're contributing.
	It's pretty easy getting fucked up.
	It might mess with your head a little bit, the backlash, but it's pretty easy to take a picture of it.
	Well, it doesn't fuck money, but it's not easy.
	I'm fucking You don't just like post your butthole and you're rich, you know.
	Jesus loves you so much.
	Jesus said.
	Disgusting.
	I like to make jokes.
	I will say, though, like, I agree.
	Make that same joke, but with a different Mussolini?
	Yeah, Mussolini.
	Oh, but like a different religious figure?
	That same joke.
	With a different body.
	Muhammad?
	Yeah.
	You're going to get banned.
	You're going to get banned.
	But that's the point.
	Like, you can make fun of Christianity.
	You can't make fun of any other religion.
	I already did a Mussolini.
	I don't know what happened.
	Mussolini was a dictator.
	Muslims, okay.
	Italian dictators about people making fun of Jesus than Christians.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	That's true.
	Because Jesus, I guess, is still like a prophet.
	Yeah.
	The Muslim's a prophet.
	He's the king of the Jews.
	He's the son of God.
	He's talking about a devil.
	No, he's not a prophet to Christianity and to Muslims.
	Oh, he's Jewish people.
	I don't know what you're saying.
	You'd probably.
	I don't want you to say it, but he wants you to say it.
	He wants you to say it.
	Don't tempt me.
	Don't tempt me.
	I can't blame OnlyFans on male.
	I was saying earlier, I just think I do really believe it's both men and women that need to take accountability.
	I think men need to be stronger and need to be able to not control self-control and not engage in this kind of stuff.
	I don't think it's necessarily a man thing.
	I mean, I have to be honest, like, men have more of the power to disintegrate this because if they smite closer, if they sink into it, I mean, if women stopped making content, then there'd be nothing to do with it.
	I want a peach.
	You touched me.
	You touched me.
	You try to make me crush a bug and you won't give me the peach juice?
	If someone donated me.
	He took it himself.
	What the fuck?
	If someone donated 100%.
	You stole it from me.
	That was my peach juice.
	That was my peach juice.
	I will say the only problem that I feel like I have, though, is to bring up that your bills are paid or rent is paid and that that's why you do it because there's other jobs.
	No, no.
	No, I'm not.
	I can do other jobs and still get my stuff paid, but it's so much easier to just do OnlyFans.
	But that's easier.
	Okay.
	That was it.
	I'm totally fine with it being easier.
	I'm totally fine with it.
	But she also has her own hours because there's a lot of like nine to fives and things like that.
	It's hard to stand by that you would kill someone if you needed to put her provide for my family.
	Me?
	Dog?
	Absolutely.
	There's so many people, though, that are able to do that without doing OnlyFans.
	So I feel like that's so happy for them.
	It is difficult.
	I'm so happy for them.
	I had a very different life situation where I don't have anyone to fall back on.
	I don't have parents.
	I don't have friends.
	I don't have family.
	I mean, I have friends.
	Are you also a foster person?
	I foster.
	I went to Foster at the beginning of the show.
	Yeah, she is.
	Is it too late for an apology?
	Yes, actually.
	It's too late for an apology.
	However, you can give me 10 grand or the peach juice.
	Yeah.
	At least the peach juice.
	Yeah, you if you have the peach juice juice.
	I could have taken the peach juice and I would have given you.
	I'm going to have actually Natalie read some of these chats.
	Red Pill is seeing the world for how it is.
	Like the fact that you're a sex hypocrite and that if you can get a woman to pay for a date, that's a win.
	She doesn't care about her money.
	Why should I?
	Huh.
	Hmm.
	All right.
	Thank you, Lawful.
	That's a good couple.
	They belong together.
	And then we have another one about to come in from him.
	You can't blame OnlyFans or corn on male control.
	It's a lack of male control.
	If anyone wants to be controlled by a man, hit me up in my DMs, but you won't.
	That's why Carol Woman is an insult.
	By the way, do you play World of Warcraft?
	I'm a paladin.
	I thought you would do that before.
	I thought that was your buddy.
	You should know if he's a paladin or not.
	You don't play WoW anymore?
	He's my homie, but we don't talk about video games because it's a sensitive subject for me.
	Why?
	What was your main?
	Yeah, what's your main?
	What do you mean?
	What's your race?
	Are you on Alliance?
	Oh, he's Alliance for sure, huh?
	You are Alliance, aren't you?
	I'm Horde.
	Oh, you play on Horde?
	We're all horrid.
	I used to play.
	I used to play.
	Okay, but what did you play?
	Wow.
	What did you play?
	Do that one more time.
	Zog, Zog.
	Let me hear you for the Horde.
	For the Horde.
	Okay.
	What race were you on Horde?
	For real?
	Baladash Baladore.
	All right, I have no idea what is being.
	I'll keep going.
	We're playing World of Warcraft on the 12th.
	Rogue Undead.
	Okay, decent.
	She's rogue.
	She's rogue blood elf.
	I'm Paladin Blood Elf.
	You're Hunter Blood Elf.
	I'll play anything.
	Blood Elves are hot as fuck.
	What can I say?
	DKP minus!
	What the fuck?
	Was that shit?
	I'm sorry.
	I'm sorry.
	You don't get wow.
	It's not my problem, dog.
	Lady Sylvanus is my queen, no matter what.
	All right.
	All right, stop pandering to the World of Warcraft.
	No, my bad.
	Lady Sylvanus is my queen, though.
	We just had a lot of fun last night.
	My bad.
	Our bad.
	What's that?
	Oh, the kinks living on a thin line.
	Like three hours later, Burgess probably still isn't even watching.
	Burgess, let me know if you're watching and I'll tell you about the.
	I'll give you the scoop.
	I'll give you the deal.
	Okay, let's get into back to CAD over here.
	I don't know if this is on your IG or like your Twitter.
	You say you're boringly white.
	Yes, on my Instagram bio.
	Boringly white.
	What is that?
	It was a joke.
	It's just funny as fuck, boringly white.
	I don't know.
	It's funny.
	Is that not funny?
	It was like a chat she got.
	Imagine you go to an eHorse Instagram and you read the bio and this shit says it boringly white.
	And you're like, what the fuck?
	Is that not funny as hell?
	I mean, I came across it and you ready for my reaction?
	This is my reaction to you.
	Did you laugh?
	Did you laugh?
	This is my reaction.
	This is how I reacted when I saw that shit.
	You didn't like it?
	Cold blood.
	You don't like it.
	Hold on.
	Also, Andrew Tate actually also.
	Come on, man.
	That was his reaction to it, too.
	It's funny.
	It's just a joke.
	It's just a joke.
	It's just stupid.
	It's just genuinely stupid.
	Oh, wait, actually, hold on.
	Oh, no.
	Okay, that's fine.
	I say stupid shit all the time.
	I genuinely think it's a joke.
	Okay, anyways.
	Thank you.
	You're welcome.
	You're very funny.
	Let's see.
	Oh, going to say your name again.
	Jojo.
	Oh, herbafine.
	Gerbaffine.
	Josephine is my funny.
	Wait, actually, I got to ask, because I ask you this question every single show.
	Let's go.
	I'm excited.
	We've been preparing.
	The great Hillary Clinton once said something along the lines of.
	Women and children are the primary victims of war.
	Oh, that's so crazy.
	So, between men and women, who's the primary victim of war?
	Who is?
	Whoa.
	You've never asked this before.
	Oh, my God.
	I have to think about it.
	Something new and seeing if you've changed after.
	No, I've actually, it's crazy because she's doubled down.
	No, it's because I've even asked my dad, who's 20 years military and things like that.
	And guess what he said?
	Yeah, what did your dad say?
	He said, women.
	I have a full text message.
	I can go get my phone and show you the full text message of the reasoning.
	The reasoning is why it's the women that he believes is the victim of the woman.
	Okay, why don't you just tell us what your argument is then?
	Or his argument that you believe in?
	It's the same things that I've been repeating.
	It won't restate it because there's new people at the table, new viewers.
	Well, it's what you constitute as the main victims, for example.
	If you constitute a death as a victim, more of a victim versus brutally tortured or graped.
	I feel like it's graped.
	Graped?
	Yeah, I'm not going to say it.
	You see, I can't say it.
	I can't go into the details of it.
	What it costs you, it's like the economy that you have to pick up versus especially the time periods-wise of what, like a lot of time period-wise, there's a majority of men who had to go to war, for example.
	So, women were not working at the time.
	So, even with majority of men dying, for example, you have to still pick up the economy and things like that of the countries you're from, and they were going to have to go and would the women exclusively be picking up the economy of the country?
	Majority of men are dying in wars, right?
	So, especially at the time periods.
	So, it's not understanding, clearly, clearly, coughing.
	Sorry, you're not understanding.
	So, yeah, so yeah, they would have to go and get the pick up the jobs that the men were like dying from, for example.
	And so, like, it hurts the economy in a way.
	And then, so, just to be clear, you put bad economy over millions of men dead.
	So, again, it's what you constitute what's the victim of war.
	Picking up a dead economy.
	Okay, let me here.
	Let's bring it up.
	So, war is on the macro level.
	Let me bring it to the micro level.
	If somebody gets shot dead in the street, are they a victim?
	Is there another versus?
	You could answer the question.
	Versus what?
	Versus nothing.
	I'm just asking you a question.
	Yeah, of course.
	They're a victim.
	Yeah.
	So sad, rest in peace.
	Would the police now?
	If the police.
	Wait, what?
	So sad, rest in peace.
	Okay.
	So if the police are investigating a murder, for example, how do they categorize the person who was murdered as a what?
	A victim.
	A victim.
	Okay.
	How do you think they categorize like R-worded victims in SA's?
	What?
	R-worded victims?
	Or S-A'd and R-worded and things like that.
	There you go.
	So same.
	Yeah, okay.
	How do you think they categorize somebody who's been who someone who owns a business and someone came in and shoplifted a $5 piece of merchandise?
	Yes, victims as well.
	So like, what are you doing?
	So there's scales, right?
	But are there scales to it?
	So would you agree when it comes to victimization, somebody who's had their store shoplifted of a $5 piece of merchandise, that's less of a victim than somebody who's been murdered?
	Answer the question.
	Answer the question.
	Okay, go ahead.
	Do you remember when your guest, Andrew Wilson, came on and said, would you rather be R-worded or would you rather be killed?
	What did he say?
	Do you remember?
	I'd rather kill him.
	Yeah, I remember him asking the question.
	No, I asked that and he said, killed.
	Okay, cool.
	So there's some people who would say that what women have gone through and what they're doing.
	Women go through a lot of times in war.
	Is worse than men.
	Is worse than men.
	You'd have to define a victim.
	He also, you got to be intellectually honest with this.
	He also said that he was being essayed by somebody of the same sex.
	That's a crazy statement.
	Don't you understand?
	I disagree with him.
	I disagree with him, but I guess for him specifically, and he's also not here, so I'm not making no, we're talking about packing.
	We're talking about men anymore essaying you?
	Yes, it will be.
	But he's saying if a woman, he's okay with a woman doing it.
	Okay.
	So, but.
	Okay, well, we can get into that if you keep seeming to want to bring up essay.
	So I get, well, actually, hold on.
	Before we do that, let's.
	I should have asked the whole panel this.
	Who's the primary victim of war?
	Men or women?
	I'll keep going, women.
	You know.
	That's fine.
	Go ahead.
	I don't know.
	Well, if you had to pick.
	Like war, like with the military?
	Like, are we talking about a specific historically modern war?
	So, okay, we could look at World War I, World War II, Vietnam War, Iraq war, Ukraine war, et cetera.
	Who's the primary victim of war, men or women?
	Well, men, I think, obviously.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	I'd say men.
	Probably men.
	Men.
	I would say men.
	Men.
	You mean women?
	Men.
	Men.
	Okay.
	I don't want to linger on this too long since the...
	Oh, go ahead.
	That is because what I value as like the ultimate punishment is I would rather get essayed and tortured than unalived.
	But I think that's where me and Kirby disagree, where she sees that as the ultimate punishment.
	So I would rather.
	Man or bear, you picked bear.
	No, I don't pick a man.
	I picked a man.
	I could pick a man.
	I could choke out a man.
	I can't choke out a bear.
	You might have to go to bear or man question.
	Like, straightway.
	Yeah, yeah.
	I think you're a bitch.
	Yeah, well, we can.
	Let's go bear or bear.
	Guys, you can put a man in a chokehold, not a bear.
	I'm not putting any man in a chokehold.
	I'm just saying if you needed to.
	I would pick the man.
	Hopefully he's a regular person.
	A regular question.
	Bear, worst man in the world.
	Let's go.
	A regular man will dawn.
	That's worst man, best bear.
	Worst man, worst bear.
	Both of those.
	I like bears.
	They're cute.
	They're cuddly.
	I don't pray.
	Who's the primary victim?
	So it's not that the women aren't victims.
	Everywhere they're secondary victims.
	So the primary would be the first person who's the victim.
	Draft me.
	Women would be.
	Draft me.
	The issue is because what she's trying to explain is like in her head, when you're dead, you're gone.
	Your suffering is over.
	Whereas the women of these countries, but they're not.
	They lost their families.
	Their children don't have family.
	Here's the thing.
	There's no not all of them die in war.
	A lot of them walk away with trauma.
	They had to do it.
	It still fucks up your whole family.
	For sure.
	And I mean, yes, the women and the children are back home and suffering because their father or their husband is out in war.
	So they've lost their father or husband.
	But that father, husband, that man has lost his wife and his kids and his friends and his family to go out into war to get traumatized.
	And so even if he doesn't die, I would still say that that's pretty, that's PTSD.
	And you have to leave your family as well.
	You have your whole life back at home to fight in a war.
	That makes you a pretty primary victim.
	disagree with you i think it's still men i'm just saying we disagree on the i think we shouldn't discount women's suffering though well we're we're not anymore But the women don't become victims until the men are the victims.
	So they're not even considered victims.
	Well, no, no, no.
	Well, hold on.
	We have to just get away.
	Even your son just getting drafted is horrible.
	Yeah, of course.
	That would totally fuck up.
	But your son would have to be drafted.
	Yeah, but which one would you like to do?
	Because your son getting drafted, that would suck.
	It depends.
	Maybe he loves the idea.
	He watched Top Gun last week and he's like, I'm ready to go.
	Of course, there's going to be exceptions to the rule, but the exception doesn't make the rule.
	It's generally men and generally women who's the primary victim.
	Wait, hold on.
	You said drafted, though.
	So if he was that gung-ho, he would have volunteered, not been drafted.
	Yeah.
	I mean, but even he could have just watched Top Gun last week and been hyped.
	I don't know what Top Guns drafted.
	You didn't watch Top Gun.
	He wasn't into that.
	I haven't.
	I don't think it's the same one you watched.
	I watched it in a while.
	So can you make your case for how women are the primary victims of the women?
	You keep making this case with Ukraine and Russia.
	Statistics online is 53% of the people assaulted is actually women and girls, right?
	So there is a statistical online explaining.
	53, so half.
	Over half.
	Over half.
	53% is over half.
	Okay, yeah.
	Cool.
	That means the other 47% is.
	That one metric, that 3% increment.
	Yes.
	That's your basis for, at least in the Ukraine conflict.
	Well, I gave you a basis.
	You asked me, what's my argument?
	Could you Google that?
	I would say that.
	Hold on, because when you talk about the Ukraine.
	I looked it up before this podcast.
	When you talk about the Ukraine conflict, you show a bunch of girls on Tinder with their ass out and then a bunch of dead men.
	And it's like, well, it doesn't exactly work that way.
	It doesn't literally.
	It kind of does.
	To my point, it does, but it doesn't at the same time.
	60,000 women are actually fighting the lines, right?
	But there's 3.2 million women in Ukraine.
	So they allow this, but there is gender-biased assault on women a lot of times in the invading country of Russia.
	Of course, there's genderbiasa.
	50% of the assaulted women are, or 53% of people in Ukraine are women and girls.
	That's the whole point, and that's my basis.
	It's not like obviously there's women on Tinder and there's men dead in the ditch, but there's also women dead in the ditch and men on Tinder.
	I would say one of the things to consider, I think I saw this on another one.
	I don't remember what the percentage was, but we're not considering that not all men that go to war are married or have like anybody to be victims back home.
	No, well, hold on.
	You don't need to be married.
	You're paying is with your life.
	Hold on, you don't need to be married to have victims back home.
	They're still like your brothers and your sisters and your parents and your siblings.
	Yeah, but you can have anybody coming up.
	Okay, but I'll even argue: even if the man is married, even if he's married, and he has five daughters, even if he's married, has five daughters, doesn't have a father, has a mother, and has a dozen sisters, the man is still the primary victim of war.
	Even with all this collateral mental harm to like a group of 20 women, the man is still the primary victim of war.
	Nick, can you pull up the, did you find her thing?
	why are we trying to like say who has it worse they were getting attacked in a different country Can you pull up?
	She said assaulted.
	So I don't think this is something we want to play.
	But it's.
	Can you just drag it over so I can see it?
	I guess why are we trying to play the oh, my hurt is worse than your hurt kind of game?
	What was that?
	My whole point from the original argument.
	No, that was not brought up.
	I said I don't think we should pick which is the worst victim.
	Because like they're both saying that the planet Earth is the victims.
	Like this is like a click it.
	She tried to say both and they're like, no, you have to pick.
	And she's like, well, I'm going to go with one of those.
	That's the study I was talking about.
	So they just kept pushing her.
	She wanted to.
	Yeah.
	She ruffled some feathers.
	Yeah.
	Of course, not necessarily, but I just think everyone's a conflict.
	But it doesn't take away the plight of women.
	Like you do.
	When there's no men to protect you, like the good ones who are going out and trying to fight for freedoms and stuff.
	I mean, there's no one to protect you against the oppressor.
	I mean, there's no men to protect men against the oppressor on the front lines.
	Like, that's obviously fucking horrid.
	Again, you can make a class.
	Make a class argument.
	So that's the whole thing with, like, well, men are the one who initiate wars, but then, and then men are the only ones able to like go to war and things like that.
	But then you can, that's a class claim.
	It's not, it's not a gender claim.
	It's a class claim.
	A class claim?
	Yeah.
	What?
	Like a class claim as in like it's based off of.
	I also sent you something in private chat, Nick.
	It's like based off of here, we'll pull your study up.
	Is this mine?
	Is this another one that I found?
	Are you saying only poor men have to go to war?
	Well, when I said class claims, like I don't know, they're just praddling about CCR.
	That's not the center of the study that I've seen.
	This is literally the same person that had the 53%.
	There was another one I had, but this one is not it.
	What's your study then?
	Well, I don't know the website.
	Tell us what's a Google then.
	Give us the prompt and we'll find out.
	What I looked up is Ukraine women, and then I looked up like Ukraine women and so why is that?
	I'm literally allowing you to pull up because I looked up a lot because I was like, Okay, well, fine, we'll go to mine, then we can go to yours.
	Nick, pull this one up, make it bigger.
	By the way, this is from the Women's Refugee Refugee Commission, so it's already going to be biased towards women.
	As of February 2023, okay, so this is like old.
	This is old, but anyways, has displaced more than 14 million people.
	Sorry, don't fucking interrupt me.
	More than 8 million Ukrainians are now refugees.
	Hold on, where is it?
	Where is it about the percentage?
	Does it have percentage for women?
	It was like 90% or something.
	One sec.
	Oh, what?
	I showed it in the fucking thing.
	It says many displaced Ukrainian women are particularly vulnerable because they are pregnant or have small children.
	Wait, hold on, let me see if I can say that.
	Or have a disability or a victim of violence.
	So most of the women that left aren't actually doing very good.
	Nick, I'm sending you a different one.
	This one's even more biased.
	Towards women.
	It's the UN women, which has a UN is major cucked.
	UN women's feminist organization.
	Fits our narrative.
	It's literally not fitting my narrative.
	No, sorry.
	I just like to make jokes.
	Sorry.
	Okay, make it bigger.
	Okay, five, as of this is this is 5.5 million refugees have already fled Ukraine.
	Of those who have fled the country, it's estimated that 90% are women and children.
	Right.
	While most men aged 18 to 60, this is from a feminist source, by the way, are required to stay behind under martial law.
	It did also say in the last study that most of the women that left were pregnant or had children or were disabled or had already been assaulted.
	What?
	That's literally what it just said in the last study.
	I read it out loud.
	You're telling me the women who are going to the western border.
	Most of the women are coming.
	What?
	I just read the last study out loud.
	That's what it said.
	What can I say, brother?
	What can I say?
	What can we say, Blackboard?
	The majority of the women who have are disabled?
	That's what it said.
	Literally, go back to.
	No, it literally said they were pregnant or they had children or they were disabled or they had already been victimized by the war.
	That's literally what it said in the very last study you were on.
	I read it out loud.
	Am I wrong or am I right?
	That's all I did.
	I literally just read it out loud.
	I swear to God.
	It's that many displaced Ukrainian women are particularly vulnerable because they are pregnant or have small children, have a disability or have a disability or are a victim.
	So maybe not the majority.
	We can throw the majority out the window, but a lot of the displaced.
	Yeah, so we'll throw the majority out the window.
	I'll take that part.
	Literally, everyone in Ukraine is a victim of violence.
	They're in a fucking war.
	So the majority, baby, I'm so right.
	Yeah, but it doesn't mean anything.
	No, okay, it's not.
	It doesn't sound anything.
	It literally means nothing.
	In any case, so who's a hinge?
	I just like to mess around.
	My bad.
	Okay, so you think in the Ukraine in the Ukraine conflict that women are the primary victims of war?
	I can send you the article because I have the history on her computer.
	I see that.
	How about I just grant you that you said, what, 53%?
	I'll just grant you the statistic.
	Okay.
	So then 47%?
	Sure.
	Now, if I gave you a statistic that, like, 95% of the military casualties, so deaths and injuries, are men, which one's worse?
	Sure.
	And again, the statistics you give, right there.
	You disagree.
	You think, I don't know the exact numbers, but I would assume that, yeah, 95% of the military casualties are men.
	I think it's 97% since the Gulf War.
	Allegedly.
	Well, you can give in the statistics of what you're giving me, the framework of what you're giving me.
	Sure, men are the victims.
	Wait.
	King donated $200.
	Brian, I'm sure you have heard that the government is in the process of passing a bill that would automatically sign women up for the draft.
	Would the feminists here support this?
	It's been like any push to have women have to register for the selective service has been shot down every single time it's been brought.
	I think it went to the Supreme Court.
	It's been to Congress in the legislative branch.
	I know recently men are now automatically registered for selective service.
	You no longer have to, you're just automatically placed in the program as a man between 18 to 25, 26, I think.
	So men no longer have to register because you're just automatically in it.
	I've not heard a corresponding thing for women.
	I'm not sure how that'll play out.
	Maybe they get automatically registered.
	Maybe they don't.
	But in any case, currently they're not required to.
	So, wait, so I'm just a bit confused.
	Okay, so back to this Ukraine thing.
	So are you ceding the point?
	I'm just confused.
	I'm saying, in, again, framework, just like what happened last time, framework of what you give me.
	Yes, I concede.
	So, but are you denying that that's the framework?
	I am denying that's the framework.
	Wait, so I'm confused.
	I'm denying that's the reality of the framework, right?
	It's a framework of what you give me, but I don't.
	You deny that this is the reality.
	Like, current, current.
	So you're saying that I'm overestimating the amount of male military casualties.
	Let me say that.
	No, no, no.
	I'll just be charitable and I'll just say we'll go down to 80%.
	80% of military casualties are male.
	Which it's not, but even if we use those numbers.
	If you're only doing military casualties, that's very different than civilian casualties.
	So that's what that's.
	Which would also incorporate male civilians.
	Of course it does.
	Dude, Robert Tanner, thank you for the gifted 50 memberships, man.
	Really appreciate it.
	You're a fucking legend.
	Thank you, man.
	Well, women deal with war in a different way than men do.
	Nice.
	Still just saying, look at you.
	I helped you out.
	I'm helping you out.
	I'm helping you out.
	So I'm just a little confused here.
	How come we can talk about this, but not is real quick?
	The only way it would be comparable, like the point that you made, is he's not bringing up civilian casualties.
	Great contribution to the conversation there.
	Was mine good?
	No.
	Fucked.
	When did World War I start?
	The only reason that your point that you brought up that he's not bringing up civilian casualties would actually be a good point is if the civilian casualties were also 80% women.
	Because if not, then you've got like the 80%, 90-something percent of military casualties being men.
	And then the civilian casualties, it's likely it's 50%, but even if it's even if it's mostly women, it's not a good point to bring up to defend his argument or to you get what I'm saying.
	That's the whole point of like the 53% with the Ukraine war in like Russia, because this is such a recent war in statistics.
	They are able to actually deem like this is a gender bias, gender bias assault is the majority of these women.
	And like I wish I could tell you the website.
	I wish I memorized the website and had it like on my phone right now so I could tell you guys I did research it before I came here, but it's gender bias assault.
	It's not it's not like so wait what does that mean?
	Gender bias because they are women they are choosing to assault them over men for example.
	So it was a man in the household.
	Well, this is absolutely bogus.
	Well, how so?
	You say Ukraine is partying that the women in Ukraine are partying up somewhere in the clubs, and this is bogus.
	It absolutely is bogus because the gender bias, I can, if you want to frame it from a gender bias, the gender bias is, and this is from a systemic thing.
	This is from the government down.
	Men between the ages of 18 to 60 or 65, I can't remember exactly what, are barred under martial law from leaving the country.
	Women are allowed to flee.
	Children are allowed to flee.
	So I'll just turn it around on you and say, yeah, there's a gender bias against men.
	When was that passed?
	Sorry.
	Are you denying?
	No, no, I'm not passing.
	Because this article that's a lot of times.
	Literally days within the breakout of the war, men could not flee the country.
	Women could.
	You want me to pull up CNN, BBC?
	I'll pull up any news source you want and it will show this.
	Because this was a 2023 article that I'm referencing right now, so that's why I'm confused.
	Men have been barred from leaving the country from the outbreak of the war.
	What's your point?
	If you want your country defended, don't you want men defending it?
	I mean, women are pretty weak.
	Yeah, there's reasons why, but they're weak.
	We don't want them on the front lines.
	This is a bad battle strat.
	That's not really the argument at hand.
	Again, the conversation stems from who's the primary victim of war, men or women?
	Probably men, yeah.
	But Kirby, you have to say victim.
	You know, I'm assuming you mean death, like casualties.
	So yeah, that's the real debate here.
	Women have to suffer the ramification hall.
	Nobody ever said that women's menu.
	Do you think casualties are victims?
	I think casualties are victims, and that's what my original point was.
	But again, I think it's what do you think is the worst victims, the people who are being tortured.
	And like, I don't want to get into the extremes of what happens in war crimes and things like that.
	But again, what you deem a fucking victim is.
	She kind of cooking.
	No, not really.
	Okay.
	Instant death, instant gunshot.
	And I'm not saying that, of course, men are better, I guess.
	It's just over versus over.
	There's a possibility for those kind of people to has anybody here gone through something traumatic?
	Yes, yes, absolutely.
	Would you rather have just not gone through that and be dead right now?
	Yes.
	No.
	Oh, no.
	No.
	No, no.
	Here, go on the table.
	Have you ever gone through something traumatic?
	Shit.
	Uh-oh.
	No, we're good.
	It's fine.
	Oh, nothing traumatic?
	Okay.
	Not really.
	Traumatic?
	Anything traumatic?
	Yeah, and I'm glad I'm alive.
	I wouldn't rather be dead.
	Okay.
	Yes, and I'm glad I'm alive.
	Sure.
	I don't know.
	Yeah, life's good now.
	I choose death.
	I mean, you're living with the trauma now, and you haven't.
	Yeah, you're currently.
	And look at that.
	That's fine.
	I don't give a heck.
	But it holds.
	Wait, there's a potential.
	Making your point irrelevant.
	No, no, sorry.
	It's my elbow.
	need to go grab a band-aid.
	We're good.
	I'll hold it down here.
	Okay.
	I'll hold it down here for a second.
	It's just bleeding.
	What about you?
	I'll just go.
	I wouldn't trade any human experience for anything in the world because that's like what living is.
	Like, I want to be as alive as possible.
	Like, good, bad, whatever.
	Like, it's life.
	Like, I want to be experiencing life, whatever it's handing to me.
	I'm serious.
	That is such a ridiculous statement.
	You wanting to live human life, but you could get.
	You could get completely tortured, but you're living human life.
	Like, that's crazy.
	Well, is that hope is like on your own.
	Well, that was pretty much my original statement.
	It's like.
	Well, he asked me something.
	How many women are being tortured in Ukraine?
	I don't know.
	Assaulted 53%.
	Ah, okay.
	We're talking about torture has its own definition.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Like, when I think of torture, I think those like medieval, like stretcher machines, like sawing you in half or something.
	Yeah, like some crazy shit.
	I don't know why torture.
	What, what?
	It's possible that people are being tortured, but yeah, prisoners of war also, but that's still like, I feel like we're fighting a weird, like, who's a woman?
	I would argue there's probably more men who are being tortured in Ukraine than women.
	So your whole torture angle here, the only thing I would even grant you is this SA component.
	Sure.
	Okay.
	Agree to disagree.
	Actually, wait, I heard something about even men were being men.
	Men are SA'd, but women are predominantly SA'd.
	I have a quick question just because I want to kind of like understand where you're coming from.
	So are you kind of saying, let's say the man is the primary victim, but like since they're technically gone, they don't have the ability to feel victimized?
	No, it's like it's kind of the point where it's like, if you have instant death, you're no longer like they feel the pain, the continual pain.
	So there's like a lot of times with war crimes, there's like the families dying, families dying in front of you, families getting like assaulted in front of you, things like that.
	And so you have to live with the pain of being not able to things like that.
	So like they've passed, so they don't have the ability to feel victimized.
	So they're like, they're gone.
	But I think that's the only thing that's going to happen.
	And the question is just kind of like, at least for me, it's just very straightforward.
	It's just in the action that happened, who was the first victim?
	Well, you don't know who went first, right?
	The man could have been allowed to do that.
	Well, no, things are happening.
	The women don't become victims until the man does.
	So like they're not like.
	I don't think that's necessarily true.
	And I agree with that.
	Men are the victim of war.
	Like, we don't know who they are.
	Oh, like they die for essaying women before they go in.
	Yeah, we don't have any.
	You would have no way of saying that.
	They're knowing it from the angle of, well, the family members will be sad.
	Yeah, that's pretty much where I'm coming off of.
	It's like, they're not going to be sad unless something happens to the man.
	That I would agree with.
	No, we're talking about SA torture.
	No, I'm talking about kids as well.
	The kids are at home.
	They're not at like, oh, I mean, of course, if it's their older kids, yeah, sure.
	But like, young kids are not.
	I mean, actually, her point, even in the case of SA, is still kind of valid.
	No.
	Because there's typically a front line.
	If the enemy then breaks through the front line, aka a fuck ton of dead men, then they can get into civilian areas and then they can commit atrocities.
	But it's typically not, oh, the women are just at the front, and then the women get SA'd, then the fighting happens.
	It's typically the fighting happens.
	They break through the front line.
	And if the belligerent force is inclined to commit war crimes, basically, then, yeah, I suppose after the men have been killed or casualties.
	Yeah, they have to get through the men to get to the women.
	Well, dependent on the area, dependent on the invasion, dependent on if it's like a new attack, things like that.
	Yes?
	Well, hold on, fine.
	I'll even argue this too.
	So let's say they break into a civilian population where there's no front line, there's no defending force.
	They're going to dispatch the men who could potentially put up a resistance.
	So if there's any men in the community of fighting age that potentially have access to firearms, they're going to dispatch the men first.
	Then they might choose to, you know.
	I don't know what the numbers are when it comes to the frequency of SA.
	Let me ask you a question, though, okay?
	So let's say 100,000 men die, and then 10,000 women get SA'd, which is worse.
	You've said this before.
	Cool.
	We're having the conversation again.
	Which is worse?
	I mean, sure, the men.
	Just by pure volume.
	Well, what's your actual answer?
	By volume of the men.
	Okay.
	What if it's 100,000 to 100,000?
	Which is worse?
	I would say when.
	Well, about 50,000 to 100,000.
	50,000 essays on 100%.
	I can't give like a determining number based on these, like these.
	Okay.
	So what if that is the proportion?
	Per 100,000 men that die, there's 10,000 women that get essayed.
	What if that's the case in Ukraine?
	It's also dependent on the kids.
	It's dependent on the family members.
	There's a lot of actual proponents based off of these numbers, right?
	Okay.
	And?
	So I would not be able to give you an answer unless you tell me the actual statistics.
	Let's say that's the.
	Let's say those are the numbers.
	Well, I'm telling you, I can't say that regarding.
	Do you believe that those men that die are going to have an afterlife or are they just totally gone after they die?
	What does that have to do with anything?
	that has to do a lot like because if i'm just no no if i'm just gonna die and nothing matters i don't give a shit about dying All right.
	That's totally irrelevant.
	Would I rather get assaulted or would I rather go to heaven?
	Like, it depends if you're religious and what you feel about the afterlife.
	100%.
	Wait, okay, fine.
	It begs the question.
	It begs the question then.
	So would you rather be essayed or killed?
	I'd rather be killed.
	Me too.
	No, shot.
	Really?
	Well, if I'm getting R-worded and killed.
	Really?
	Yes.
	And no, absolutely not.
	Well, you'd rather get like a died.
	No, I wouldn't.
	I don't want to die.
	I don't want to die.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	SA'd.
	Murder me, baby.
	I don't know what you'd say.
	I would rather get essayed.
	But I. You said the essayed.
	I took for answering your question.
	Yes, Sam, I don't want to die.
	We have to fight essay.
	I'd rather.
	Look, they're both terrible.
	They're both terrible.
	It could be traumatizing.
	Absolutely.
	But, uh, Okay, so if that's the case, then.
	So you view essays worse than death?
	Dependent on what kind of essay.
	Okay, that's why I said R-worded, yes.
	Well, then I can just make the same argument for death then.
	There's easy ways to die, and there's fucking terrible ways to do that.
	No, no, because when you die at the end of death, there's nothing.
	When you die at the end.
	And after you get essayed, there's everything.
	The SA ends.
	Yeah, you have trauma.
	You have to live the rest of your life.
	You don't have to live the rest of your life after you die.
	That's a fair point, but if that were a good argument for SA being worse, then why hasn't everyone who's been SA'd just kill themselves out there?
	They've tried to.
	Because after you get SI'd, in the moment, you feel like I would rather die.
	In the moment, you feel like, I don't want to be here.
	I don't want to experience this.
	This is horrible.
	This is awful.
	I'd rather disappear.
	I hate every second of this.
	But you can't do anything about it.
	So I have a question for you then.
	If you're married, since you like to make this argument of what about the family, though, if you were S-Aid, who's the primary victim if you get – excuse me, if a woman gets S-Aid, the woman or the husband?
	I mean it's – wait, so what do you mean?
	Whoever gets essayed?
	Who's dead, and then I'm essayed?
	Who's okay?
	Who's the primary victim?
	If a woman gets essayed?
	The woman or the husband?
	If she has a husband?
	Let's assume she has a husband.
	Okay, what's...
	Am I the only one getting S8?
	Who are S8s?
	What's happening?
	Yeah, just...
	Just the woman gets essayed.
	Is the husband the victim or is the woman the victim?
	The woman, obviously, the woman.
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	Oh.
	But the husband, it's going to be hard for the husband.
	Yes.
	No.
	You seem confused.
	He's using this argument because you guys are saying that women are the primary victims of war because they're having to lose their husbands.
	So he's trying to turn it around.
	Well, no, it's in the time period of like 1945.
	It is predominantly there were males working, and it's predominantly females at home.
	So it's not only like the males dying and the women, like, yes, war crimes are terrible for the women, but it's also a matter of time.
	Hold on, I'm not going to let you get away with this.
	You're shifting the goalposts here.
	We were talking about the Ukraine war.
	Okay, sure.
	Okay.
	Sorry, I got excited because you guys are fighting.
	Go ahead.
	Yeah, no, I'm asking you.
	Yeah, keep going.
	Hold on, you haven't even engaged with the situation I've just given you.
	I did her.
	She's engaged just.
	Okay, you're telling me about the 1943 World War II?
	1945.
	And in 1944.
	And men worked and women.
	No, predominantly men worked, women didn't, right?
	Okay.
	Back at that time.
	And well, in the preface of your argument, it was more that you said, okay, a woman got essayed, right?
	And so my claim was that if a man dies, it's harder on the woman for the economy as well, right?
	Economy?
	The economy as a whole, as well.
	Do you understand?
	Because women weren't working at the time.
	Can you ask us all the time?
	What are you talking about?
	Women were during World War II, women were absolutely working.
	Not as much as the men in the.
	No, that was like Rosie the Riveter, but they were working because all the men went to war.
	No, yeah, exactly.
	But if a majority of men died, they had to pick up a lot of pieces.
	We had to pick up the pieces.
	You could.
	Many, many articles, basically.
	So, what's your argument?
	I mean, that sucks, but like going to work versus dying, I feel like.
	I hate work as much as the next guy.
	You speak it for yourself and goes, dying my son a little chill.
	A little bit chill.
	All right.
	Well, that's a different answer.
	So, what's the argument?
	What's the actual argument?
	Well, this was another claim with why the victimization and things like that.
	But I don't get your original if a woman got essayed and she's married and he's in the household and he's the victim, right?
	I don't get that.
	No, that's insane.
	No, he's not saying that he's a victim.
	It'd be insane to say that he's the victim.
	Yeah, but he's saying that it's insane to say that the woman's the victim.
	It's not insane to say he's not the victim.
	No, the woman's not the primary victim.
	Wait, can I ask the same question?
	How did you say the woman's the victim?
	Wait, can I not be the primary victim?
	You wouldn't be the primary person.
	That's all he's saying.
	Wait, I have to.
	I'm confused.
	Can I ask a question?
	So, if I'm in my house and a man breaks into my house and he essays me, am I not the primary victim?
	That's literally the same.
	No, I was confirming.
	No, I was confirming.
	Imagine how crazy you would think I was if I said, no, the woman's not the primary victim.
	Yeah, it's the husband.
	I agree with you.
	I definitely agree with you.
	I was just confirming with both of you.
	But here's the thing.
	What if both people are still victims?
	I've always said this.
	No?
	No, no, but the people around you are still victims.
	I literally asked you the question: who's the primary victim of war?
	Men or women?
	You said women.
	You didn't say both.
	I said the first time.
	Do you want to roll back?
	You wanted to say both?
	I always wanted to say both.
	This is the third time you've asked me on this podcast.
	Is it not both?
	Everybody is a victim when it comes to war.
	But when I'm asking you, who's the primary victim?
	I can't say both.
	I can now?
	No, you can't.
	Okay.
	Because the question is: who is the primary victim of war?
	And you continually pick women.
	Yes.
	And you make arguments for women.
	So I don't know why you're trying to walk back your position here.
	I'm not at all.
	How am I walking back my position?
	I said day one that I think everyone on the planet Earth is a victim.
	And then you said you have to pick one.
	So I said, okay, sure.
	Women, because of war crimes and other factors.
	That's exactly what we're talking about.
	Yeah, so I don't, where are we now?
	Where are we?
	Where are we?
	Where we are at now is that we understand that men are the primary victims of war, but women suffer a lot.
	Okay, sure.
	Yeah, but going yesterday.
	Yeah, I want to agree to that.
	Do you agree with that?
	No, you don't agree with that.
	No, but see, that's exactly what I agree.
	No, Kirby, you agree with that.
	That is what we, because I've never agreed.
	Okay, so you disagree with men are the primary victims of war.
	She doesn't.
	She disagree with that men, yes.
	Oh, no.
	Hold on, Kirby.
	That is precisely what we are arguing.
	Wait, hold on.
	If I got drafted to the front line, would I get drafted and put on the front lines?
	That would be real.
	What?
	What?
	No.
	You can't be drafted.
	That's what I'm saying.
	You're from Canada.
	Oh, yeah.
	Don't be out.
	Not because you're a woman, because you're Canadian.
	I'm sorry.
	Here, we're going to read a couple chats.
	Abigail, are you able to see it or no?
	This is a good breakup.
	Oh, no, I can't.
	You haven't changed attention to it.
	I can.
	You can read it.
	Go ahead.
	Can I read it?
	Can I read it out loud?
	Just let her read.
	God damn.
	If you have in OnlyFans, you're a waste of space.
	You're lazy.
	You disrespect yourself and men, and you disrespect the veterans who died to give you the freedom to live like the degenerates you are.
	I'm Canadian.
	All right, we have this one.
	Go ahead.
	Wow.
	Your girlfriend leaves you and bangs your friend while you're away.
	All your friends move on and your life changes without you.
	It blows.
	They don't draft women.
	It's not all about death.
	Think.
	Okay, cool.
	Thank you, Forced Peach.
	Thank you.
	Mean a lot to me.
	Yeah.
	We have lol paladins coming in here in just a bit.
	Thank you, Forced Peach.
	Appreciate it then.
	There's not a lot going on.
	B is not Red Pill.
	Red Pill would realize that women are incapable of having empathy for weak men.
	And weak men lose in war.
	Winners come home and reproduce.
	Old school horde before paladins existed.
	Let's go.
	He's old school horde.
	He's talking about World of Warcraft.
	Hold on.
	Before Pallas existed.
	Okay, I know Pallads came around level 70 or whatever the fuck.
	If death isn't as big of a deal, and if you die, it's just over.
	Is it worse for someone to just essay someone or to essay them and murder them and watch them?
	I'd rather.
	Well, we already answered this.
	Yeah, we already talked about this, right?
	Yeah.
	If you die, it's just over.
	Hmm.
	Durin dolls, thank you, man.
	Appreciate it.
	I obviously must have read your thing before I asked the question.
	We have that.
	I don't know if you pulled that up yet, but.
	Can you read this one?
	Yeah.
	I probably have not paid attention, but studying the Western Front, taking World War II, for example, aerial bombing was indiscriminate, but I can go more in detail in other conflicts.
	However, not sure what you're trying to prove.
	Depending on the time period, you need to study context.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	A lot of civilian casualties in World War II.
	Thank you, Robert Tanner.
	Appreciate it.
	Although, I mean, I would argue in pretty much every single war that's ever occurred, every single war, even wars I don't even know about.
	I can confidently state that men are and have been the primary victims of war.
	More what?
	Casualties.
	Yes.
	Ergo.
	Men are the primary victims of war.
	Woo.
	Good for you.
	Okay.
	It's crazy to me that you just haven't been convinced on this.
	I don't even know how to approach it.
	Maybe somebody in the chat knows how to make a compelling enough argument for you to step out of your delusion.
	I don't know.
	Both my parents agreed with me, so it's hard.
	It's like.
	Yeah, they got to back up their daughter, but.
	No, no, no.
	No, I don't like this.
	I think before the context, I said, this is why you're my parents.
	That's all I take.
	I don't think it's about that.
	I think it's.
	It's kind of almost crazier that you said your dad was in the military for 20 years.
	He was.
	And he thinks that that's almost like a moment.
	Well, before he knew the context of even this podcast.
	That makes sense, though.
	But that makes sense.
	Like, it's like, if you're in the military, you know, you've died and your family is back.
	My dad's alive.
	My dad's alive and well.
	I know, I know, but even then, but it's still like you put your family through so much.
	Like, men are more resilient than women, are they not?
	Disagree.
	I don't know.
	You don't think men are more resilient than women?
	How would that be relevant?
	Resilience?
	How would it be relevant?
	In comparison to war?
	Resilience?
	How would it be relevant?
	Resilience is a major aspect of war.
	Resilience?
	Yeah, but how would it be relevant?
	If you're resilient in a war, are you insane?
	Google resilience right now.
	If you're dead, what does it matter how resilient you are?
	No, no, but if you live, but if you live, the resilience, the resilience, the resilience, the resilience.
	But what about the Brazilian?
	What about the Brazilian?
	I'm serious about the Brazilians.
	Does anybody know about the Brazilians?
	It's crazy.
	Let's call it.
	We're going to move it on, I guess.
	Oh, we have to do man versus bear.
	Yes.
	Oh, yes.
	Fun.
	I like this story.
	She likes it.
	Did you take something?
	Are you?
	Are you?
	No, no.
	Sorry.
	I'm just a girl.
	Are you on meth?
	I'm just a girl.
	I'm just a girl.
	I'm just a girl in the world.
	Starting with you.
	If I had to pick the woman.
	Hold on.
	Would you rather come across a random man or a random bear in the woods?
	Okay, random is I pick man.
	You're shocked, I know.
	Man.
	Man.
	Pandorian.
	Answer the question.
	That's what I said.
	Bear.
	I don't know what that is.
	Pandorian.
	Just answer the question.
	That's not what I said.
	She's picking Bandorian.
	That's a bear.
	Okay, so say bear.
	So it said Pandorian.
	Say bear.
	Can I not have a specific Pandorian?
	Say something.
	Anything?
	I cannot have a specific bear.
	Hold on, hold on.
	You don't know what a Pandorian is, do you, Brad?
	Yeah, it's literally a video game character.
	It's not real life.
	Okay, if I had to give you a cool bear, he'd give you two actions.
	Okay, I'll pick a bear.
	I'll pick a bear.
	Got a name.
	Oh, he's mad.
	Man.
	Because you're being a retard, that's why.
	Can you say that?
	I just did.
	I really hate this question, but man.
	You said man?
	Yeah.
	Man.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Man.
	Man.
	Okay, all right.
	Everyone said man, but okay, why bear?
	Why bear?
	Because the worst thing that a man could do to me doesn't compare to the worst thing that a bear could do to me.
	But you're lucky to be able to get away from it.
	Wait, then you should have been.
	I'm not going to run into a random man.
	No, no, no, no.
	A bear were to eat me alive.
	A man could, you know, tie me up and get away from it.
	Amazing would also help.
	But you're in the woods.
	Yeah.
	And a big man.
	And you're bringing me back to his house.
	He's going to be a little bit more.
	Okay, so what percentage of men do you think would like 1%?
	Not even.
	I feel like every single bear would probably try to eat you.
	No, no, that's not true.
	That's not true, baby.
	I've been around a lot of bears.
	That's not true.
	Bears tend to run in.
	I'm beginning SA.
	Bears tend to run.
	I'm not trying to take that chance.
	No, bears tend to run away.
	Bears are straight.
	I still don't want to take that chance.
	Yeah, you don't have to.
	I don't want to.
	I'm just saying this is a reality.
	I don't really want to argue the bear thing.
	You want to argue the bear thing?
	Because I'm so right.
	No.
	Did you, like, drink some liquor back there or something?
	You were like.
	I've never done anything.
	Julie, move on.
	Hold on.
	Nope.
	Find it, Brian.
	Find it.
	Too late now.
	All right, moving on to our next notes here.
	We have, let's see.
	Hold on.
	So you're a Christian.
	What are you doing?
	I scratched my arm.
	I'm wiping it off.
	Is that allowed?
	Sorry.
	She's bleeding, yeah.
	Yeah, I scratched my arm.
	No, like, I got a sunburn.
	You're a Christian Mormon, correct?
	Yeah, I'm LDS.
	LDS, okay.
	You said you're conservative.
	You have your pronouns in your bio, though.
	I thought that was interesting.
	Yeah, why?
	It's because you have like my business thing on there, and a lot of clients kept asking me, so I just kind of felt like I had to put it in there.
	Okay.
	You said you're 100% trad, not feminist.
	And you said you live out your life through your clients who are ultimately living what?
	They are living out what they like to tell me their ho phase.
	And you do nails, correct?
	Yes, I do nails.
	And do you want me to go into that?
	Yeah, elaborate a bit.
	Of course, I like this.
	Oh, sorry.
	They told me a few things.
	They told me a few fetishes.
	Some men have, one of them told me they have, they had an ex who had an ankle-biting fetish.
	And then another one told me that she was dating a guy who literally within a month of dating kind of confessed that he liked eating stuff off of her, but specifically KFC.
	That sounds literally disgusting.
	What does that have to do with a whole phase?
	Yeah, that's crazy.
	Specifically KFC.
	You guys don't like chicken fries?
	No, I'm not saying that's a friend of friends.
	That's part of the ho phase, but I'm saying like, obviously I'm not talking about it.
	It's just funny hearing the stories from them.
	It's just like interesting hearing that kind of stuff because I wouldn't do that.
	All right.
	And you said that you're married, you have a husband, been together for 10 years.
	You paid for the first date without hesitation.
	Yeah, I paid for us for about two to three years into our relationship for everything.
	Until he got his first job.
	Until he got his first job.
	You got this.
	Don't do it.
	Babe, don't do it.
	All right.
	You said your parents have a pretty interesting story?
	Yeah.
	So basically, my mom and dad were clubbers when they were younger, and my dad invited my mom back to his apartment and tried to make a move on her.
	She got grossed out and walked out.
	Literally, maybe about a year later, they ended up meeting back up again, not realizing that that's who they were.
	And as my mom was like pregnant with me already, they drove past my dad's old condo and she said, oh my god, it was so weird.
	I dated a guy who lived in that condo and he tried to make a move on me and he's like, I dated a girl who walked out on me because I made a move on her and then they realized that that's who they were.
	They knew each other from that.
	Okay.
	And you wanted to speak on, I think we talked a little bit already, who makes the first move in the dating process.
	Yeah.
	I mean, the only thing is that like for me, it genuinely worked.
	Like I, and I've asked my husband this before.
	I never looked down on him for not having a job.
	In fact, like that's why two to three years into it, I was strictly paying for everything.
	I didn't think it mattered.
	I was more interested in the personality, the type of person he was, things like that.
	And I ended up being granted with a provider who took care of me for the rest of pretty much where we're at right now.
	And he tells me it's because, you know, I essentially showed that I didn't care about the materialistic part of it.
	I genuinely cared about his personality.
	Do you guys really like everyone at the table?
	Do you really like, would you genuinely prefer a man that just paid all of your bills?
	No.
	Hell yeah.
	Yes.
	That's exactly what you want.
	You want every fucking, every bill.
	Sorry, who's paying your bills just out of curiosity?
	And we're going to have this.
	Me, dog.
	Who do you think is subscribing to your OS?
	Yeah, me.
	I'm not even trying to be a me.
	Hold on.
	It's one thing.
	It's one thing if a couple men subscribe.
	It's another thing if it's a lot of men.
	But like, if you were going to get into a relationship with a man, would you be like, you know, I can't date this man unless you know the situation.
	Is that like one round of the table?
	Would you be like, you know, if he can't pay my rent, I can't date him.
	Would you point at the table?
	I've never had a man pay my rent.
	It wouldn't be a deal breaker if he couldn't provide fully.
	It wouldn't be a deal breaker whatsoever.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	It would be sick, but I can pay my own bills.
	Okay.
	Your turn?
	Depends on what life stage we're at.
	Yeah.
	Do you prefer that?
	Do you prefer when a man pays your rent?
	So you asked three different questions.
	Sorry, I'm a fool.
	She made a rule.
	I'm just a fool-ish question and a girl.
	Do you prefer when a man can just pay your rent?
	Of course.
	Of course it's preferable.
	Yeah, of course it's pretty pretty.
	But if you do, do you?
	Is it a deal breaker?
	A man wouldn't perfectly rent.
	So let me ask you your phrase.
	Do you prefer, like, you wouldn't date a man unless he actually could pay for your rent?
	Like, you're like, I'm not going to do this unless you're willing to pay.
	No.
	Okay.
	Of course not.
	I wish you would have been like, yes, absolutely.
	Get out of here.
	But there are.
	There are a lot of women that are like, I wouldn't be in any way.
	I don't think that should be like the primary reason you're with someone is just because you can pay your bills.
	I feel like there's a lot of people.
	I totally agree.
	But there are a lot of women that are like, I'm not engaging in this relationship unless I get my rent paid.
	Hold on, are you talking about me?
	You are just a bad person.
	Are you talking about me?
	I just said you yapped.
	We just went back and forth.
	But listen, if I don't yap, who else will yap?
	Probably anyone else.
	Yeah, anyone else.
	Okay.
	We're not yapping because you are.
	I'll sit back.
	Take it on.
	I'll fix that.
	How did that even happen?
	Was me.
	Can someone yap?
	I was like.
	Where's the yappinator?
	Because it ain't me.
	I'm cut.
	Well, I wish.
	I'm cut.
	Somebody yap.
	Oh, use that $500 to mute her mic.
	Who is it?
	Feminist?
	Of course.
	Yeah, you had to be told.
	Who's the feminine?
	He's asking.
	Okay, like that round.
	I came up with that on the spot.
	My definition of feminism is equity, not equality.
	So equity as in fairness.
	That's not equality?
	Equality is different.
	You acknowledge the differences in justice, but equity as in fairness and opportunity and things like that.
	That's my.
	I don't personally describe myself as a feminist.
	Not a feminist.
	My feminism means coming up with your questions on the spot.
	No, Julie, Julie, move on.
	Ignore it.
	Ignore it.
	Keep going.
	Are you a feminist?
	Yes or no?
	Oh, like when I actually turned up.
	Yes, yes or no.
	Please, please.
	Describe myself as feminist.
	I mean, probably, but like.
	Okay, keep going.
	But also.
	No.
	No.
	And another thing.
	Keep going.
	If we're saying, like, feminism, like that little trademark, I would say no.
	Definitely not.
	I would say the most recent variation of feminism, probably not, but I would agree with that.
	For Kirby's definition of feminism.
	Second wave?
	Third wave?
	Don't stop.
	Please.
	Thank you, Robert.
	You know, I'm sorry.
	I was just asking.
	No.
	No, I'm not a feminist.
	Did you answer?
	Yeah.
	Oh.
	So it was just you.
	I think you.
	I think maybe, yeah.
	And like, ish.
	Ish.
	And what was your definition of that?
	I said equity over equality.
	So it's equity as in fair treatment, but equality is different to me because it's not recognizing the differences between like women and men, right?
	So like, for example, we can bring up the Olympics talk.
	I don't think women and men should compete because it should be equitable, not like equal.
	Because like equality would be men and women competing.
	Does equity mean that you're trying to get equal outcomes?
	No, no, equity means fairness.
	So that's why.
	Equity means you get this, you get a different, like, so I need a taller ladder.
	Anyone else woman's fence?
	Hold on, shut your mouth.
	I need a taller ladder to look over the fence.
	So equity means you get the things you need to look over.
	I can get to you at the beginning to mute someone's mic for 10 minutes.
	I think we know who.
	You know what?
	She's my friend.
	No one.
	What mic number is that?
	What mic number is that?
	No.
	Nick.
	No regularly put it down, please.
	Nick, that's a 10-minute mute.
	Please.
	Yo, Pico signs, thank you for that.
	I got the view to my back on the table and stop it.
	Just put it on the table.
	You're just shooting.
	She's auto-muted.
	Are you saying that you think that women need special treatment so that the outcome, so they can play on an equal level, equal with men?
	You misunderstood, of course.
	Of course.
	I don't really misunderstand.
	So the misunderstanding, I think you actually did, for example, in athletic terms, in the terms of the Olympics, yes, men outcompete women every time.
	And that's why when I say equitable, it should be in fairness of you acknowledge the differences in the genders, right?
	And so that's why women should be.
	But if you're saying to make it equitable, wouldn't that mean that then you would have women start on the same level, but you would like give women an unfair advantage to make it easier to get it?
	No, equitable is fairness.
	That's why I'm saying that.
	Do you mean like equitable means like they have their own league and it's only women because men would kind of dominate because they're built differently?
	Do you understand?
	The Olympics.
	Because I'm on your side.
	Yeah, that's not okay.
	Female, male.
	Yeah.
	There's two categories.
	Like, I'm not all for that one swimmer who's like, oh, I really suck in the men's.
	Men and women should compete against each other in said Olympics.
	No, I think that's sort of a bad thing.
	In some form of feminism, and that's the same with even actors and actresses.
	They're saying there should be a general category of acting rather than you call everyone actor.
	And I don't agree with that because it kind of also defeats the purpose.
	There is going to be more of like, you can see a shift in general with like, let's say for one year, more act more males win like the acting category.
	And it's like, it's kind of like reverse.
	You still want to give like equal opportunity in the same way.
	So where do you think women lack equal opportunity?
	Yeah.
	No offense.
	I do.
	Maybe currently I'm the one who misunderstands.
	I don't really get what you're saying.
	So maybe to make it pragmatic, where do women not have equal opportunity like in practice with men compared to men rather?
	I'm not saying they don't even.
	It's just equal opportunity.
	That's why it says like if both resumes are completely the same, for example, in a job that they're both very qualified for, like let's say marketing or something like that, if resumes are, you can't talk for 10 minutes.
	If both resumes are exactly the same, they should have equal treatment.
	And they do.
	There's like laws now saying you can't discriminate against women.
	Exactly.
	It was different back then.
	You're like, oh, yeah, you can not hire a personality.
	Well, that's women.
	Some people don't support that if it's exactly the same.
	Who doesn't think that if you're not?
	What do you mean?
	Who doesn't?
	Who do you mean?
	There are some females that still believe that.
	That's my terms of my definition, my understanding of how I want to perceive feminism.
	You said a whole bunch of nothing.
	No.
	Okay, okay, okay.
	So I don't understand.
	You're saying you're a feminist because if there's two resumes, a man and a woman, they have the same qualifications, that they should both be entitled to get the job.
	Yes.
	Which we establish that there is existing legislation and codified laws that say that is the case.
	Yeah, so I support that.
	I asked you, where is there a lack of equal opportunity or an outcome that is why you justify being a feminist?
	Like, where is I mean, yeah, because you can see even in cases like in 2017, for example, there was a case in even the movie industry.
	There's like the top grossing films of the years, 30% of the top-grossing films had no females in like the back end of things.
	So, what do you mean?
	So, it's more of like the process of WNBA critique.
	It's because people aren't watching it.
	So, you're not going to get poorly compensated if people aren't watching your movies.
	It's the back end of the filming industry.
	What do you mean they're not watching?
	Females are not in the front ends.
	They're even the back end of production.
	So, 2010.
	There's nothing preventing women from starring in movies.
	No, it's not starring.
	I said back end.
	There's also nothing preventing them from working behind the scenes.
	There is because they're hiring less men in them.
	Actually, there's then they would get sued, and there's actually less women applying.
	Well, I can give you another example.
	2017 was the kind of like the frontrunner of the Me Too movement because of the big Harvey Weinstein incident.
	Wait, wait, wait.
	Hold on.
	Let's go back to the movie thing.
	Yeah.
	So, okay.
	Frequently, women are paid less in sporting, for example, like basketball players.
	Do you object to female basketball players being paid less than their male counterparts?
	I think sporting.
	Same job.
	I think sporting is a really weird and interesting category because it's not just about the actual industry.
	It's also about the individual players.
	For example, like attraction, like popularity of each individual player, it deems how much they get paid, right?
	And how good they are.
	Oh, that as well.
	But you can even like, you can argue women's soccer is way worse.
	Let's say you want to argue that.
	But Alex Morgan got paid crazy numbers because she was also a very beautiful soccer player.
	She was crazy great at the sport.
	But let's say you don't like watching women's soccer, but you also got paid tons of money.
	And for endorsements and whatnot.
	Yeah, brand endorsements, things like that.
	I'm not going to answer the question.
	So, okay, let's just assume here that women do get paid less than men in sporting.
	So soccer, basketball, I try to think of any other professional sports.
	Tennis.
	Well, I have a question.
	Is there, like, a...
	Don't think it, like, paid the same amount.
	I think they're not.
	How do you do it?
	Is it like standard like women's team make 30%, men's team make 30%, but men generate more revenue?
	So it's a higher 30% because the total number is bigger?
	Or is it like, but do you, okay, for example, let's just use the basketball example.
	Do you object to female basketball players being paid less than male basketball players?
	I want to at least acknowledge that they should at least play on the same courts, right?
	So there is, especially in soccer, I mostly know about soccer because I grew up playing soccer.
	had to play on turf fields for example which everyone in soccer knows those are way worse they should at least get women have to play on turf fields in And back when I played, back when I watched.
	In high school?
	No, no, no.
	Okay.
	No.
	No, it's.
	Okay, why don't you answer the actual question, though?
	Should they get paid the same thing?
	We're talking about pay, yeah.
	I don't know why you're bringing up turf fields.
	And I asked you about basketball, not soccer.
	It's like, okay, never mind.
	Yeah.
	No, I don't think they should get paid the same.
	But that's not equity then.
	So you're not in favor of that?
	No, that's not necessarily true because I said fairness.
	So if one is generating way more income, then that's the same thing.
	I said equity, not equality, though.
	Well, I guess what we're doing that looks like.
	That's very different.
	Quality and equity there.
	Equality would be like male and female teams, both are the same.
	They get paid the same.
	Equity is fairness.
	So one generates way more revenue.
	They get paid more.
	That's equity over.
	How is that?
	But then, why did you have such an issue with movies that are getting less views, making less money?
	No, they're not getting less views.
	That was my whole point.
	So, what's my point was: you said we were talking about how are women getting less opportunity, and I told you the top-grossing films of 2017, 30% of those films had no women in the movie.
	So, Taylor Swift, I think, earns more than probably 99% of male musicians.
	What do you say to that?
	It's fine.
	Why does she earn more than that?
	Good for her.
	Well, that's not fair to the 99% of male musicians who make less than.
	She generates revenue based off like sales and things like that.
	Well, no, that was my point with those films.
	Those movies generate revenue based on this.
	I said back end.
	I didn't say front end.
	I keep saying that.
	Back end from like same, okay, so it's the people working the cameras versus the people on screen.
	Back end.
	Back end of movies are the director-producers, cinematographers.
	Yeah.
	She's saying, you are cherry-picking.
	Like, first of all, the year 2017, it's like of all the movies that were produced, it's the top 30%.
	It's not the front end actors, it's the people who are in the back.
	Like, it's not topic.
	Like, I asked you for your, like, I would think that it would come pretty easily to your head, like, why you would be a feminist, why you think there's lack of equal opportunity in the United States.
	I never said that.
	And the best you could give is, like, well, in this one year, like, a third of movies where women were like not working the cameras, they didn't get a lot of views.
	So that's why I'm a feminist.
	Like, I think.
	That's very nice that you said that, but you're still misunderstanding what I was talking about.
	Come across.
	I said respectfully, I'm really trying, but I died.
	Maybe it's you said, why are you a feminist?
	I said, because of equity.
	I would say that.
	But that's like such a buzzword.
	It's just say because of equity.
	And then you're like, because equity and equity is not a problem.
	Well, what are you confused about?
	Because you're saying, like, oh, then give me an example of how we're not equitable.
	I'm not saying we're not equitable.
	Like, there are.
	But if you said you're a feminist because you need equity, and then you just said we're not equitable.
	Like, no, I didn't say that.
	That's what.
	Again, the best technology was a good way.
	Actually, Nick, you can pull that thing up that you sent me, Nick.
	This is an article: Women-fronted Films.
	Oh, but like got nominated less overall for like best categories.
	I think it was something like that.
	Well, you referenced the year 2017.
	So make it bigger.
	Women-fronted films, our top three highest-grossing movies of 2017.
	Last Jedi, Beauty and the Beast, and Wonder Woman topped North America's box office.
	So even looking up the precise year that you provided, actually in the year you provided.
	This is front end, I keep saying that's not the same thing.
	The poor back end.
	But how does that justify you being a feminist?
	So, okay, so it's a good idea.
	I didn't justify this of being, I'm telling you, you asking how is it unequal opportunity?
	I told you that in even these movies and these categories, women are not being hired.
	That was my whole point.
	That was my whole point.
	But what you're saying is women not being hired really doesn't correlate to what you are talking about.
	You're talking about highest-grossing films and film popularity.
	There's nothing in what you're saying that's like there's this systemic campaign that studios are waging to not hire women.
	It was, it's on the back end and not the front end, only on the back end.
	Well, it correlates in the sense because 2017, like I was saying, was the actual year of the Me Too movement.
	And this, this.
	You're all over the place right now.
	I'm just, you're all over the place.
	Well, it was the direct shift between 2017, people's acknowledgement of that women aren't being hired in the movie industry, right?
	I don't really think that you've proven that, and I don't really think that's true.
	And I don't really think the Me Too movement was about women not being hired in the industry.
	Treatment in the industry because they were being hired and they were getting treated poorly because they had jobs within the industry.
	The Me Too movement couldn't have happened if women didn't have jobs in the industry.
	I mean, there's a direct correlation after the Me Too movement of the hiring of women.
	I don't understand the actual argument, though.
	I also don't.
	If I grant, like, okay, say in really split, you know, cushy Hollywood jobs on the back end, they're not hiring female directors for, again, I don't really even know the reason why.
	How does that prove that, like, there's not equal opportunity for women?
	It's like the opportunity for women.
	When I said, like, I talked about the top grossing films, when I said 30% of like these back end, top films had no women.
	I'm not saying even in the category of women.
	But maybe women don't even do that.
	That's just not true.
	It's like no counterpoint.
	Okay, let's look at early childhood education.
	Women make up the majority of jobs there.
	Women make up the majority of jobs in nursing.
	So you could flip that logic on your head and say, well, that's sexist because there's not men, and men would want to do it because hypothetically, men would want to do it.
	They hire more women in those job categories because more women are applying.
	Yeah.
	Wait, wait, just to be clear.
	So it's sexist if more women get hired in a job field.
	And it's also sexist if too few women get hired in the job field.
	No, that's not what I said at all.
	But you said your issue is that not enough women are being hired on the very niche back end of studios, but you don't find issue with a majority, an overwhelming majority of women being hired for jobs like nursing and early childhood education.
	No, it's because women a lot of times are more like the general gender biases are associated with women with these jobs, right?
	So like.
	Well, I don't know.
	Gender biases is a pejorative connotation.
	I would say it's just your innate biology.
	Women have always empirically been drawn to more opinion true.
	It's not really opinion.
	It's a biological fact and statistics and study.
	I hate studies, but it shows it.
	Empirical data shows that women have always gravitated towards nursing and early childhood education as opposed to, say, oil rigs and hardcore machinery work, which, by the way, if we want to bring up deaths again, workplace deaths are like 80, upwards of 80%, if not 90%, men over four.
	I think every year it's like nearly 5,000 women.
	It's like 400, just to bring up deaths.
	But that aside, I just don't really understand.
	So your issue that you are resting your case for feminism on, again, I asked you, like, give me your best shot as to why you're a feminist.
	And the best you could give me is say that.
	You said women started.
	She said what?
	What's the unequal opportunity?
	But you didn't even say that.
	Okay, first of all, you gave an example that was false because we just said that the 2017 actresses.
	That's the actresses.
	Okay, so why does back end film production matter more than front end?
	Male and female lawyer.
	What if one makes less?
	I feel like that would have been a way simpler argument.
	But I'm just curious why your metric for why there's a lack of equal opportunity.
	You said, why is there a lack of lack of fairness?
	I gave you an example of something that has a lack of fairness.
	And then you're like, oh, what's that?
	What's your point of feminism?
	Your example was in one year, the top 30% highest-grossing movies only on the back end didn't have women.
	And that's so like niche.
	And then we just showed you that actually the top three grossing films had women on the front end.
	And I guarantee you, if you look in 2017, the percentage of women who are holding, frankly, percentage of women who are getting college degrees and probably getting preferential financial treatment from banks in terms of loans and women in business programs certainly outnumbers men.
	So just because you gave me one random statistic, which I don't even know if it's actually true, that doesn't negate or support your point.
	Like that's just, that's so irrelevant.
	It's like a drop.
	Relevant to what you were asking me, my general opinion of like, oh, why do you think women have unequal opportunities?
	I told you.
	So, what societal forces are preventing women from working only on the back end in film?
	In that case, it's sexism.
	That was my whole point.
	It's sex.
	So, how does that work?
	I think a lot of women want to work as like transportation coordinators.
	It's like a lot of like manual labor.
	So, you're telling me that.
	Well, the back end I'm talking about is not transportation coordinators.
	It is for directors.
	It is producers.
	Like the apex jobs.
	Like the desirable jobs.
	I mean, it's some, yeah, like I said, it's co-producers, things like that.
	It is.
	So you think that like people are in the C-suite executive at like Paramount Studios, they're like, oh, wow, this candidate looks awesome.
	They produce all these cool films.
	They have this, this, and that.
	Oh, she's a woman, so we're not going to hire her.
	Like, you think that's realistically what's happening?
	And conversely, while you're focusing and you're putting the spotlight on very high-paying, high-status, cushy jobs, again, only on the back end, not the front end, what about the fact that I would argue that most of the, I would say, low-end, low-status jobs, just from sort of a finding, like an income perspective, and just not a very glamorous lifestyle, right?
	People who are working machinery, paving the road, stuff that they don't get any thanks for, any gratitude, overwhelmingly, majority men, like I said, overwhelming majority workplace deaths are men.
	So you're hyper-focusing, fixating on the fact that these really cushy jobs women aren't getting.
	But the inverse of that is that overwhelmingly, men are taking up the bottom rung of jobs.
	But again, I gave you one example, right?
	So there's many, many examples.
	So then give another one.
	Free Julie.
	For example, like I bring this up a lot.
	The tech industry, for example, this startup industry, a lot of times, majority are men being hired, not women.
	Do we know the majority of people?
	Wait, wait, hold on.
	I don't know if it's a good idea.
	You mean like software engineers?
	No.
	You mean what?
	Tech industry?
	That's made up of like coders.
	It's like software engineers.
	The tech industry can be any, anyway.
	And I think that's actually a good idea.
	But that's a particularly bad example because when they do studies, the majority of people even in college are women.
	They're not having a lot of people.
	Societies become more egalitarian, particularly talking Nordic countries.
	Again, I don't like studies.
	But when you go through them, they've actually found that the more egalitarian, the more quote-unquote liberal a society becomes, the less women there are who get involved in STEM fields.
	And the more that they naturally gravitate towards what I would argue they're biologically inclined and wired to want to do, which is like nursing, early childhood education.
	So the STEM argument is particularly, I think, falls flat, is particularly bad.
	But even if you take a step back, I don't really even think that that's true if you look at what's going on in Silicon Valley right now or any of these startup companies.
	And frankly, I think startups are a particularly bad example because that industry is pretty cutthroat in that you're raising money and you either make it work or you don't.
	There's not really room for like DEI hiring style practices.
	Like if you suck at your job, you suck at your job.
	But in all of those big corporations, they are prioritizing hiring women.
	They want, I mean, have you heard STEM?
	All the statistics are: if you have diversity inclusion, you have better innovation.
	Every study will show you that if you have over 30% like mixed executive team, usually it's more successful.
	So you say that is true, which I don't necessarily think, first of all, every show is DEI.
	You have diversity.
	Who paid for those studies?
	Yeah, the United Nations.
	So a bunch of high schools, a bunch of companies.
	There's tons of people who are in the world.
	But even so, you think that just because there's a black person, a white person, and a brown person in a room, that you're going to have better outcomes, even if you teach people.
	Yes, because you have different markets, you have different point of views, different evidence.
	Can I ask you a question when it comes to math?
	Do you think that top-level mathematicians, like a black mathematician and a white mathematician, they're going to come to better conclusions because one's black?
	Didn't you just hear what I'm saying?
	Answer the question.
	Answer the question.
	Yes, I do.
	I genuinely do.
	Oh, well, that's not really how that's not how math works.
	If they can't solve something, they all have different points of views of what to look at.
	Even if I take you at your word, right, and say that this mythical unicorn that is diversity is so great for the workplace.
	Okay, say it's true.
	If all these corporations and studios and whatnot, which are ostensibly, I'm sure you would probably agree, motivated by profit, right, and wanting to produce returns, and there's this magical strategy that is going to allow them to increase their profits tenfold because apparently a black mathematician is the key to all their financial woes, or hiring a female doctor or whatever is going to fix all the problems.
	Why would they then be sitting in the boardroom and saying, oh, we can't hire women?
	Oh, we can't have any women, not on the front end, but on the back end, right?
	Isn't that sort of a dumb approach to take to hiring?
	It's because a lot of times, with especially board of directors, they have someone they know.
	They have someone they can influence.
	Okay, but that you literally just said, how does that even engage with what I just said?
	There's a board of directors where there's someone they know and they have influence.
	Wouldn't nepotism equally benefit men and women?
	Yeah.
	Like if it's just about a personal relationship, not necessarily.
	So you're saying your argument is nepotism unfairly benefits men?
	I'm saying in the case of what we were, the context of what we're talking about, especially board of directors and hiring teams and things like that, a lot of times, yes, nepotism is involved in like a lot of times the hiring of a lot of these people.
	I'm not disagreeing with you.
	I don't know what that has to do with anything.
	It has a lot to do with a lot of this because they, for example, if.
	But nepotism is not a gendered thing.
	Yeah.
	Well, I feel like having a diverse amount of people like in more subjective marketing and movies makes sense, but it can't be like, oh, we have all these different minds for like something very objective like math and coding.
	But there's right answers and there's wrong answers.
	Either it works or it doesn't.
	DEI studies, the alleged studies that you're talking about, they're not actually talking, because believe me, the same institutions that are putting that out, I can guarantee you that they do not support diversity of thought.
	I'm sure they're part of the group of people who are pushing political correctness.
	And when you say diversity, you're not talking about bringing together groups of people who disagree and having actual debate.
	You're talking about just figurehead diversity, poster child diversity, where it's like, oh, this guy's black, this person's trans, this person's this, this person's that.
	That doesn't yield any results at all.
	Frankly, I would almost argue, you see, why is it always like the roads that are collapsing, the bridges that are collapsing?
	Those are always the ones that have the diversity programs going on.
	You do have to move things on, but why don't you each make a final point and then we'll move things on?
	Do you have a response and then Natalie goes?
	Sure.
	The diversity claim is you need at least 30% of a more diverse team in order to actually get a solid response.
	And it is a solid response as in it's a response that actually has like...
	So if you're at 25, it's nothing.
	It's like negligible.
	The statistic is you at least need a 30% team, 30% more diverse teams.
	What is this statistic?
	Can I ask you a question?
	Would a company be considered diverse if there were no men in it?
	No.
	You need diversity in all angles.
	Oh, okay.
	Oh.
	All viewpoints, all angles.
	Okay.
	All right, I mean, do you want to, did you finish your point?
	Yeah, sure.
	Okay.
	I just think it's funny.
	Every time I come on the show and I ask every feminist for like one example of an actual grievance that they would have that would justify their rationale for being a feminist.
	Is the most niche, anecdotal, one-off examples that is like pigeonholed to one year, one subset of an industry that's not even the front end of actors, but the back end of actors only in films.
	They all tell you that?
	That's crazy.
	They all are.
	Yeah, last time I was on it.
	She unmuted stuff.
	Am I unmuted?
	But I just, my last point on this, and I think this is my always key issue with feminism, is that so many girls say they're feminists, but then they're actually pressed on it.
	They honestly don't know why.
	And I think you should ask yourself why you've been so conditioned to think that you are a feminist, why you're so adamant that women need to be the larger amounts of victims more time than men.
	Why there's such an incident?
	You ever think about why you're conditioned to not be a feminist?
	You don't think you can be conditioned to not be a feminist.
	Have you ever read this?
	Did you sit back and be like, why am I not a feminist?
	Well, I have a question.
	Like, the whole question of women make 82 cents to a dollar, and now it's like, oh, for a white man's dollar.
	I don't know what that means, but I thought it was more like they're choosing professions that, I mean, there's not really a lot of money in child care or your rage quitting.
	No, obviously.
	I know.
	I'm just kidding.
	This is a lot conversations.
	I do have some follow-up questions for you once you're back, though.
	You can go ahead.
	Natalie, could I have you read this one, please?
	Why would any 304 give up their jobs making six to seven figures a year to take off their clothes on OnlyFans to instead carry around a 100-pound camera for half as much money?
	Even Bandits 304 wouldn't do that.
	It doesn't quite work like that, but then we have Walshi Pooh.
	If you can read this one, Brian, I get back from Kill Tony to a goat panel.
	Drizzle, Drizzle.
	Sorry, number eight, number nine is most attractive.
	Number five and number one, tied for second.
	Sup, Nicolette, baller as usual.
	Maddie equals the goat.
	Question: Cut or uncut.
	Okay, going around the table, I guess.
	Do you prefer guy cut or uncut?
	I'm actually going to say uncut.
	I feel like that is a hot take.
	Maybe not.
	We'll find out.
	I prefer cut.
	I don't care.
	No preference.
	I don't give a singular fuck.
	I'm not going to answer that question.
	Yeah, same.
	Whatever my husband is, neither is a deal breaker.
	I'm here for the same on the one.
	Ambivalent.
	All right.
	Thank you, Walshi Pooh.
	Does anybody here?
	I mean, we've had some of you on the show before.
	Anybody here who's seen the show have any disagreements with anything?
	Anything you guys want to touch on?
	I have a question for you.
	Go ahead.
	Because it's not necessarily a disagreement, because I totally agree, like that marriage has been completely made into being this thing with the government.
	Do you agree that marriage should be strictly within the church then?
	Like, I'm just curious on your stance on that, because I know you don't believe in marriage.
	Yeah, I'm fine with that.
	Is it just because the government's involved and it kind of creates like, obviously, now women can really kind of screw men over.
	So do you think like it should go back to being only like a church type of thing within the church?
	Why did the government get involved in the first place?
	Yeah, I'm fine with that.
	The government gets involved for taxes.
	Taxes are the only reason they're interested.
	Yeah, I was just curious, yeah.
	Yeah, I think that would be really good if the government was got out of a lot of people.
	Would you say that that's one of the reasons why you don't believe in marriage?
	Or is that like or do you just generally not believe it in general?
	Okay.
	Oh.
	No, I just wanted to ask.
	Yeah, I mean, primarily just the state's involvement with it and the potential ramifications in the event of a divorce.
	That's pretty much it.
	And then I think those are all the chats.
	Let me see.
	I had some more notes for you, actually.
	I think we have, hold on.
	Women expect, you said women expect too much from men when they don't have much themselves.
	Yeah, so a lot of the times when I was, or actually in the very beginning of my relationship, whether I had an argument with my now husband or a disagreement, a lot of friends around me would tell me that he's not worth anything because he didn't have a job or like he wasn't necessarily making like a lump sum of money.
	And they said, you have a job, he doesn't.
	So I mean, go find somebody that does.
	And if I would have listened, I wouldn't be married right now in a happy relationship.
	So I just think that like women expect too much of men, but don't have the same in return.
	Like I feel like if you're going to expect a six-figure salary from a man, maybe have something to offer or at least be making six figures yourself.
	But expecting a job is like bare minimum.
	Expecting what would be the equitable thing to offer if you're looking for a six-figure man.
	I mean, I just think that you should have the same in return.
	I think if you have less and you're expecting higher, I think that's kind of like an unfair thing to do.
	Isn't that women's nature though, hypergamy, to want a man who is.
	Well, yeah, like I'm saying in terms of me, like I had a job very young and my husband didn't and just I didn't mind about that.
	Nicolette.
	I didn't turn out to be a little bit more.
	Nicolette, tell us how you feel.
	Come on.
	I mean, I think that's just like the bare minimum to want a guy with a job.
	Maybe like you don't have to job in a car.
	I mean, you don't have to expect him to make more money than you, but I mean, that's not a good idea.
	Isn't that what you expect?
	Yeah, but she doesn't have to.
	But you don't have to.
	I mean, to say, like, that's crazy.
	Like, I'm glad it worked out for you.
	Can we ask why he didn't have a job?
	For so long?
	Well, at the time, he was actually trying to figure out what career he wanted to do, and I was completely fine with that because we were both in school at the time.
	And then...
	So he was a student.
	Yeah, he was a student.
	We were both students at the same time.
	So he was just trying to figure out what he wanted to do.
	Did he ask you to pay for stuff, or was that something you just volunteered?
	I voluntarily did it myself.
	And you said, moving on, though, you said when women have a bias against men, it is socially accepted and usually laughed off.
	When men do the same, they're seen as misogynists.
	I'm not saying both genders don't have a right to be biased.
	However, when men do it, it's seen as wrong to the most extreme level.
	Yeah, so like I was watching like a prior podcast and a lot of the times they talk about like, you know, like if you would prefer someone who's overweight and somebody who's not.
	You know, if a female has a preference that a man not be overweight, it's seen as like a preference.
	But when a man doesn't want an overweight woman, he's seen as like biased, he's rude, he's nasty.
	Things like that.
	I just think that it's a little unfair to be saying that kind of stuff.
	Well, it's kind of like, I mean, if we look at the bear versus man one question, like that's a really strong bias to have against men that you would rather, for those of you who said bear.
	Actually, this panel overwhelmingly said man, which is most of the times we've been asking this question for two months now.
	You said randomized, so that's why.
	Okay.
	Thank you for that addition.
	Thank you.
	Oh, you're back.
	I had some questions for you.
	No, you make a really good point.
	So I mean, to say that you would rather be with a bear over a man is a very biased thing to say because the presupposition there is like a large, like such a large majority of men would opt to victimize you in some way, paints men as like inherently predatory, which is really not the case.
	There are absolutely terrible men out there, but the vast majority of men would not opt to harm a woman.
	There are monstrous men out there, but it's a small, like small minority, very small minority of men.
	So, yeah.
	That's why I would hope for the best in people.
	That's why that was my point.
	It's randomized.
	For the best, but not for the best.
	Last thing on the feminist thing.
	So, do you believe women should be drafted?
	Yeah, I'm fine with that.
	Okay.
	I thought you said something differently last episode.
	No, I'm totally fine with that.
	And I asked the whole panel if anybody has any disagreements with anything they've heard from the podcast.
	Do you have any disagreements you want to disagree on?
	I just want to disagree with this one statistic that keeps coming up.
	Andrew Wilson and his wife both said it.
	That majority of divorces happen because the woman is unhappy.
	And I'm like, no, I just re-looked it up.
	The first time it came on, I said majority of divorces happen because of infidelity.
	I told him that.
	He's like, finances.
	No, no, re-look it up.
	You can do U.S. divorces 2024.
	It is infidelity.
	On the wall.
	Nick can look it up.
	On man's part.
	Nick can look it up.
	Maybe she's getting cheated on or Johnny's cheating.
	Look it up.
	Divorce.com or whatever the fuck.
	I'm so sorry, Scorpio.
	The number one reason for divorces is male infidelity.
	No, not male.
	I'm saying infidelity.
	Infidelity.
	Okay.
	In general.
	Sure, that would be a good reason for divorce, but I'm not sure if that's the primary.
	That's the primary.
	I'm telling you.
	I looked it up.
	Okay.
	Before the first time I came here.
	I'll actually just take your word for it.
	I don't really care to argue it.
	Okay.
	To be honest.
	Well, if it is.
	It just bothers me.
	I heard it like, I don't remember when Andrew Wilson's wife was on, but I heard it again and I was like, no, it's Anna Deli.
	I just looked this up.
	Yeah.
	Well, maybe we have different stats on that.
	Well, you can look it up.
	I'm fine with it.
	Yeah, okay.
	Who cares?
	You said, Brian, thanks for the bow advice.
	Oh, yeah, we have to play the bow video.
	Okay, we'll do that in a bit.
	So I actually did it just like out of nowhere for like a good week.
	And at first, my husband was like a little bit like kind of thrown off, but he just accepted it.
	But I noticed that the week that I was doing it, it brought out the chivalrous side of him.
	So that's when I got more of the opening the door for me, you know, holding my hand, things like that.
	Like being a little bit more like pulling the chair out for me when we go out to dinner.
	Like it just brought out, and I had asked him about it before I came on the show, and he said, well, it just, it just feels like, you know, like, I kind of see you as more of like a little, like, kind of like, I want to protect your femininity.
	Like, you seem more of like something like, I just want to protect it.
	So it's kind of like, I want to do these things for you.
	So I just, I thought it was funny, and I thought it was actually, it actually kind of helped with doing the small like gesture.
	I mean, he saw it as just more of a respect thing.
	It wasn't more of like, oh, I'm not.
	Yeah, what is what it?
	What are you guys talking about?
	What is that?
	You don't know about the bow?
	What is that?
	You guys don't know about the bow?
	I haven't played the bow video for you.
	No.
	You guys have been on the show like two times.
	Yeah, you never played this for us.
	Even we got the luxury.
	Shit, I got to introduce you guys to the one I'm showing.
	Does your husband watch the show?
	No, I would say more me.
	What's bow?
	Wait, Kat, you got to watch, or what's her name, Julia?
	Julie.
	Julie.
	Julia.
	You're going to watch the bow video.
	Julie, come here.
	Yeah.
	Come here.
	Stop doing meth in the bathroom, please.
	Yeah, please.
	I think I said math.
	I don't know if you guys have anything.
	We got this almost out.
	Cut the meth, though.
	She said she really.
	She's not in method.
	She loves life.
	Your husband doesn't watch the show.
	So it's not like he knew, oh, she's doing the whatever podcast thing.
	Okay, yeah.
	All right.
	I'm just going to go.
	This is what I need from a girl.
	This is what I need.
	Check this out, guys.
	I'm so excited.
	Go ahead.
	You can play it, Nick.
	Boom.
	Check out that bow.
	Technique, son.
	Oh, I would like to see that.
	I wear shoes.
	I unironically do that all the time.
	There's the laundry.
	All right.
	Oh, look at that.
	Dinner's ready.
	Oh, she's attentive.
	Oh, great.
	Okay.
	Oh, that's fine.
	We can see.
	Getting me a beer.
	Look at that.
	So nice.
	And she's beautiful.
	Yeah.
	I mean, her eyes kind of skipped me a little bit.
	She's got that like kind of crazy.
	She's got the crazy eyes.
	Uncanny Valley.
	Boom.
	Huge bow.
	What if I did all that without the bow at the beginning?
	So I will do it.
	What if I only know about it?
	No, I'm worthless.
	She really needs that.
	Math.
	Yeah, doesn't she?
	Okay.
	I studied abroad in Japan for like a month, so like I bow all the time.
	Everyone makes fun of me.
	I'm like, oh, thank you.
	Well, now you're dating me.
	So yeah, the bow, it worked.
	She did it.
	I've had a couple girls come on the show.
	I've had girls even message me saying, hey, I tried the bow.
	I thought it was ridiculous.
	And it worked.
	The husband loved the boyfriend, husband loved it.
	Loved it.
	I do like just a mini work.
	I think men just want to be appreciators for the reference.
	No, no, no.
	It's like if someone opens a door open for me, I'm like, oh, thank you.
	It's like, thank you.
	Oh, thank you.
	I mean, I've been doing it.
	It's really embarrassing.
	I've been told several times that I do too much for my husband.
	So I've been judged by a lot of women because of what I do for my husband.
	I've also been judged by a lot of women for what I do for my husband.
	He has breakfast.
	Are those women married?
	Well, but conveniently, you guys are married.
	Yeah, I was going to say, are those women married?
	Because the women who judge me for how much I do for my husband.
	I've actually been judged by a few people that are clients that are married.
	Heavens.
	Heaven forbid you do too much.
	Shouldn't you want to do things for yourself?
	Yeah, everything I've done for him, I get joyful.
	Is that the husband for me?
	Yeah, it's not like he's forcing you into it.
	Right.
	Yeah.
	Is what you're saying, right?
	Like, yeah, like, I have a few clients that actually really think that I do way too much, and they'll say that.
	The ones that are doing the hoe thing.
	No, the ones that are married.
	I have a client that's married with a child, and she'll tell me, like, you do way too much.
	And then I ask her, like, okay, well, finances and things, what do you do?
	And she's just like, well, usually 50-50 I contribute.
	And I'm like, see, that's, I don't, I'm very traditional, so I don't believe in that.
	Oh, go on.
	Wait, so you, okay.
	So he pays most of your bills and that kind of stuff.
	He pays all of my bills.
	Oh, yeah.
	That makes sense.
	Yeah.
	Well, he has constant food on the table.
	His outfit or uniform for work is put in the morning for him to be laid out.
	I think that everything's pretty much already taken care of for him when he comes to the business.
	Would you guys be down?
	Nicolette, would you be down to bow for a guy?
	Sure.
	We don't want a begrudging bow.
	We want an enthusiastic business.
	She's like, I'll bow.
	I'm down to bed.
	We want an enthusiastic bow.
	Okay, I'll do it.
	Oh, wait, like right now.
	Yeah.
	Oh, I mean, that's not what I was asking for.
	Okay, fuck it.
	Let's see the technique.
	Go ahead.
	Okay.
	I'll stand up, I guess.
	I guess.
	No, this is getting weird.
	It's like a question.
	Don't stop this.
	Hey, stop shaming.
	Okay, please.
	Fucking bow.
	It's not like.
	Okay, it wasn't bad.
	I mean, I think this is a bit much.
	The prayer hands?
	Oh, now.
	She's done my mind.
	Now she's doing bow.
	The hands need to be like folded down here.
	Yes.
	Like, I dream of genie instead.
	No, no, no, no.
	It needs to be like.
	Oh, okay.
	Like.
	Just show you're non-threatening.
	Would you do bow?
	Yes, but I think I'd laugh.
	I would feel bad about it.
	You should try it.
	Maybe the guys will pay for dates.
	Oh, no.
	Just hit them with the bow, say the date.
	What?
	I'm just giving her.
	I'm trying to help out.
	They'll be like, oh, she's worth going half on.
	At least half.
	She's worth.
	What?
	Wait, what?
	You take that back.
	Take what back?
	Did you not meal?
	Did you just hear what you said out loud?
	What would I say?
	Maybe she's worth going half on.
	Are you implying that I'm not?
	Wouldn't that be an upgrade from.
	Oh, no.
	The guys paying for nothing.
	You just said no?
	Huh?
	That's what you just said.
	What do you mean?
	I'm confused.
	Would you?
	Moving on.
	Would you bow?
	I bow all the time.
	I just said that.
	No, for like a guy.
	It's literally.
	If you were dating Nick, would you bow for him?
	It's like, it's like a respect thing.
	Answer the question.
	It's a respect thing.
	If he does anything nice, I'm like, oh, thank you.
	Would you bow for Nick if you're dating?
	Thank you.
	All the time.
	I do this now.
	You open the door.
	Can you read this?
	Go ahead.
	Just did a quick Google search.
	The primary cause for divorce is irreconcilable.
	Oh my God, I can't read irreconcilable differences and is primarily initiated by women, meaning women aren't happy, so they want to leave.
	That's not the statistic I read.
	You're wrong.
	Thank you, but you're wrong.
	Let's see.
	We got to get through a couple.
	Oh, dating profiles.
	Let's do the dating profile.
	Guys, a couple girls have dating profiles we're going to reveal.
	Nicolette first.
	She's single, ready to mingle.
	Bachelorette number one.
	Enjoy a coffee or get a yummy dinner.
	Okay, all right, next.
	That's the win.
	I'm just getting sorry.
	All right.
	That's her and her friends.
	Next.
	I want someone who will treat me like a princess.
	Who's next to you?
	Is that my friend?
	That looks like Kamala Harris.
	Okay, next.
	Are you friends with her?
	Okay.
	To me, relaxation is skincare, reading a book or listening to a podcast.
	Like, you listen to the on the way here.
	Nice.
	Next.
	Or is that it?
	Okay, that's you again.
	Okay.
	Wait, you want to be treated like a princess?
	Beautiful.
	So that's actually to find sugar daddies.
	Oh.
	That's like, yeah.
	So not allowed.
	All right.
	So the whole coffee thing, I wouldn't actually go on a real date with someone that I wanted to like take seriously for coffee.
	That's just like paid.
	All right.
	Respect the honesty.
	Who's next?
	You want to be treated like a princess, though?
	So you can't just straight out say on Hinge or any dating app, like looking for a sugar daddy, or I'll still ban you.
	So that's like kind of my way of just, you know, making princesses.
	Let's do the next app.
	Jojo.
	Oh, God.
	Jojo.
	All right.
	This is Jojo.
	Okay.
	One piece.
	She's a student, a full-time student.
	Okay.
	I just graduated.
	Atheist.
	Okay.
	Next.
	You're welcome.
	Unusual skills.
	I can lick my elbow.
	Okay, let's see it.
	Oh, no.
	Actually, I have double-jointed shoulders, so I can like make a hole in my shoulder.
	Lick your elbow?
	Hold on.
	Just lick your elbow.
	I had to prove it first, and then.
	This is going to be the highlight.
	What?
	Wow.
	That's hot.
	That's wild.
	That's definitely not hot.
	Someone in my twist.
	Wait, are you also able to put both your elbows together?
	Do it one, bro.
	Do it above.
	Huh?
	Yeah, there you go.
	Okay.
	That's crazy.
	Next one.
	Next image.
	From the dating app?
	Oh, no.
	Dating a menace.
	Hold on.
	What do you mean, dating a menace?
	Do you understand how annoying I am?
	Yes.
	Oh, I understand.
	Yeah.
	I understand.
	So that very well.
	So, wait, I'm just curious, though, because I mean, here, like, we're in a podcast setting.
	We're just having conversations, debates, disagreements, whatever.
	But, like, in a dating setting, how are you annoying?
	I only had one ex.
	I've only dated one dude.
	So he absolutely hated that my, like, how much I would debate him.
	He would be.
	I'm so competitive.
	Like in an annoying way where it's like so like in an annoying way where it's like even in video games and things like that, I would have to like be like top fragging or like sorry, I would have to be top of the leaderboards, whatever, you know, leaderboards.
	Okay.
	And he hated that on the back end.
	Argumentative.
	On the back end.
	I'm so argumentative and I have to win everything.
	And here we are.
	I'm very combative.
	So even if I lose, I've gotten a lot better.
	So you're super quarrelsome.
	I was a popular argument.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	I've gotten better, I gotta say.
	Okay.
	I'll back up every once in a while.
	Good to know.
	All right.
	Is there more?
	Oh.
	Oh, it's cosplay.
	Yeah, of course.
	Of course.
	Wait, that's who?
	A lot of people were like, oh, I didn't.
	Let's do, who do we have next?
	We have Abby, right?
	Let's check out her dating app.
	Abby.
	Hey.
	Oh, damn.
	Okay.
	Next.
	Wait, leave a comment if you want to meet here.
	Your bed.
	Oh!
	Oh, shit.
	Lola.
	Scandalous.
	Okay, next.
	Pick the most underrated.
	Okay.
	Something's not.
	Okay.
	Sandwich.
	21 Vermont moderate.
	She's looking for short-term open to long.
	Bro, that's why they're not paying.
	That part?
	Yay!
	So we find that.
	You just want to hit it and quit it?
	Is that it?
	No, like, it depends on the person.
	Oh, okay.
	Yeah.
	Interesting.
	All right, next.
	Dating me is like too much caffeine.
	What do you mean?
	I drink a lot of caffeine.
	So you're like, you're hyper?
	Yeah, it can be.
	You like got that crackhead energy.
	Huh?
	Not like that.
	Not like that.
	Like who?
	Where did you point there?
	We know where she pointed.
	I didn't even look.
	What does the moderate part mean?
	Moderate?
	I don't even know what.
	Oh, fuck.
	Just keep going.
	Keep going.
	Please.
	Please, no.
	No.
	That's a nice fix.
	Moderate.
	I don't know what, like, what does that mean?
	Like, I know what moderate means, but on the back.
	I'm sorry, so it's not.
	It's not.
	Keep going.
	Well, I don't really, like, I made this a while ago, so I don't even know what the other options were, but, like, I think it has to do with my, like, stance.
	Political music?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	I don't, like, think I'm a liberal or Republican, so I just pick that.
	I said, that sounds like the middle.
	Republican?
	Good old Pavlovic.
	Yeah, publicans.
	Those guys.
	I love the publicans.
	Them my favorites.
	The publicans.
	Sound me up.
	Okay.
	Let's see.
	What else?
	Was there more, Nick?
	Yeah, there's 60 more, I think.
	More photos.
	Okay.
	Oh, look, to be yours.
	Only for a short time.
	Short time.
	But she's open to her.
	Good time, not a long time.
	That was a good catch, Nicolette.
	And only if they're Mexican, too, right?
	Yeah, for sure.
	For sure.
	Wait, is that like a must?
	Wait, do you have that set on your preference to like Hispanic?
	Where does that, does that come?
	Like, where did that come from?
	I'm just.
	I don't fucking know.
	Like, it's just, you, you met a Mexican once and you're like, this is it.
	It started when I was like a tween.
	Like, I was probably like 13.
	Oh.
	A tween.
	Who was it that did it for you?
	Was it Mario Lopez?
	I was on vacation to California and there you have it.
	Okay, next one, Nick.
	Yeah, that one.
	All right.
	I like it.
	It's a little out there, but I like it.
	Would you date her?
	Would you pay for the date?
	I'm cheap.
	Would you pay for yourself?
	It's probably like an age gap relationship, right?
	You're like 28, right?
	I was just trying.
	Her profile is beautiful, but.
	Wait, what?
	Her profile is beautiful, but I would.
	You wouldn't.
	She wouldn't.
	She wouldn't tap that.
	You wouldn't hit?
	That's a crazy question, Brian.
	What?
	It is?
	Yes.
	Okay, fine.
	You wouldn't take her on a romantic date?
	Depends where?
	McDonald's.
	No, I think I'm taking a break from dating again.
	Okay, so is there more, Nick, or is that it?
	Can I get rid of all the tabs?
	Yeah, definitely get rid of those tabs.
	And then we also had to do the attract.
	Oh, the rating yourself thing.
	But I'm going to.
	Is she coming back?
	No, she's going to go to the car real quick.
	I'm so sorry.
	She'll probably not come back.
	Oh, she's not coming back?
	I hope not.
	She's still here.
	Hey.
	Oh, okay.
	No, come on.
	Oh, she's going to go to my car.
	She's having a little bit of anxiety.
	Sorry.
	We got some applesauce if you want some.
	Applesauce.
	You want some applesauce?
	No peaches.
	A boo.
	No.
	A boo.
	Oh.
	A boo.
	I'm sorry I didn't leave peaches for you, okay?
	I apologize.
	If you gave me peaches, I probably would be crying right now.
	Are you talking?
	No, just let her experience a lot of paper.
	No, she's hungry.
	That's what it is, right?
	Let me get.
	I got applesauce.
	What you need, girl?
	What you need?
	I got applesauce.
	I've got a protein bar.
	Okay.
	Do you want to go on the balcony?
	We could close the door for you.
	Oh, yeah, you could.
	Oh, dissociate.
	Yeah.
	How long?
	Well, the only thing is, we can get a little bit of a hit.
	Did you get the car?
	If you leave, it's like you can't really get back in.
	Do you want to just kick it on the balcony?
	That way, think about it.
	This way it might help your anxiety.
	We got eyes on you.
	So if like anything, if you need us, we're here.
	Okay.
	Me.
	No, it's good.
	It's okay.
	Can we close it?
	Yeah, we can close the balcony.
	So you can.
	Would you be better sitting?
	Wait, but it's going to be closed.
	Do you want to get a chair for her?
	Like the little chair.
	You guys are beautiful.
	Do we have a blanket?
	Yeah.
	This is going to be one of the little heroes has anxiety attack.
	Aw, true, gentlemen.
	Applesauce.
	Thank you.
	Applesauce.
	We've already feminist.
	You know how there's like little tips.
	Applesauce.
	Go ahead.
	Anxiety attack.
	Anyways.
	I'm already back.
	Don't worry.
	What were we?
	You know what?
	This would be a good time to say that.
	Oh, my God.
	So, sorry, she had an anxiety.
	No, it's all good.
	It happens to the best of us.
	She's having a lot this week.
	All right, Nick, lock the door.
	Guys, let's leave.
	She just came up on a nice apartment.
	She's done funny.
	No, just the balcony.
	It's like a nice one.
	Okay, so, wait, where were we, we were going to do the, oh no, let's do the.
	We got to do the.
	I'm going to do the rating.
	I'm going to do the rating.
	Stiffler, ask everyone to rate their looks on a scale of one to ten.
	You can't pick seven.
	Starting with you.
	Can I do 0.5?
	You can do 0.25.
	Like, you can go to the third digit or the whatever.
	I'll say like, fuck.
	I don't know.
	It depends on the day.
	Like, I'll say like 7.9.
	7.9.
	Today?
	Or?
	That's an average.
	What about the like the times where the guy didn't pay for the date?
	Like, what would you rate yourself on that?
	He loves it.
	What an ass.
	My God.
	No, I'm just, I'm, you know, you could have, maybe it was because you were 10 that, you know, they wanted to bring you down a pet because you're so hot.
	That's it.
	That's what it.
	I figured this shit out.
	You were so hot.
	You were so hot on those dates.
	You were 10.
	They're like, oh man, like, she's kind of out of my league.
	I got to bring her down a bit.
	Pay for the date, lady.
	Lady.
	Lady.
	Right?
	That's what happened, right?
	Okay.
	Nicolette.
	I'm going to change it up.
	No.
	Oh, shit.
	I was a nine.
	Used to be a 10.
	I know.
	What happened?
	Why?
	Why downgrade?
	I don't know.
	I don't feel too hot right now.
	Why are you downgrading?
	No, tell us why you're downgrading.
	I don't know.
	I think it's my hair right now.
	I didn't.
	Yeah, definitely.
	That's what it is.
	I usually curl it.
	I'm just kidding.
	Your hair looks.
	Wait, but hold on.
	I think your hair is a 10 out of 10.
	Oh, thank you.
	Thank you.
	I don't know.
	I feel like not good right now.
	But anyway.
	I feel it.
	What's up?
	What about you?
	On my good days, I'd say a solid 7.7.
	6.9.
	I'd probably say like a 5.
	Maybe an 8.
	Like an 8.
	I'll give myself a 5.
	All right.
	Good, good talk.
	Thank you.
	What do you think?
	What did Julia say last show?
	Oh, she said 7 last shows.
	She said 7.
	Okay.
	I think today, what did she say?
	What she was going to say?
	I don't know how she's doing right now.
	I can't tap into that mind.
	She's going to probably be a little bit more.
	Let's go to Twitch.
	Guys, go to twitch.tv.
	That's a 8.
	Twitch.
	Smash.
	Twitch.tv/slash whatever.
	Drop us a follow in the Prime sub.
	Guys, it's been 22 minutes since we've gone to Prime.
	I think it's bugged.
	Guys, I think something's wrong with our Twitch.
	There's 1,600 people watching.
	If you're not following, hit that follow button so you can see Madison's cooking streams and some IRL shit that we're going to do.
	And you can also see Madison talking about things that are definitely important.
	Oh, there it is.
	Okay, the Prime is working.
	Thank you, Primal.
	Oh, oh, Primal.
	Oh, AB Check with the gifted 20 memberships.
	Thank you, dude.
	You are a.
	He's a brave and a decent man.
	He's a pioneer.
	You're a pioneer, dude.
	AB Check.
	You've been here for a long time.
	Thank you, man.
	Appreciate it.
	Speaking of which, speaking of which, I think we've gone through most of our stuff.
	We're going to do maybe a roast section for a little bit.
	A roast section.
	Roast of who?
	Well, nobody said the 10, so you know.
	Oh, okay.
	I mean, Nicolette over here, you know, with her, with her nine, but you're going to go over six as well.
	We could do the bumble.
	There's actually this subreddit called True Rate Me that actually will show categorizations.
	It'd be interesting to look at it briefly.
	Why don't you show the men first?
	And then we'll look at the men, the women.
	I've only seen like guidelines on how to rate.
	So pull up the men.
	It's so funny.
	Whoa.
	Yeah.
	Oh my god.
	So this is like how you would rank men.
	So we won't read like you can see the details on the right.
	We're not going to read all those, but oh, there's Francisco Lachowski.
	We've pulled that guy up before.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Scroll down.
	Scroll down.
	Ronaldo is in the 7.5.
	These are 6.5.
	Oh, man.
	I'm so glad I should have gone lower, though.
	5.5.
	That's a 5.5.
	I should have gone lower.
	Wait, hold on.
	Stop there.
	Little Wayne.
	Jeremy.
	Alex Rodriguez?
	Wait, whoa, 4.5.
	The five to the 4.5 is a crazy drop.
	Do they have this in women?
	Yeah, can we see women?
	Let's go to the very bottom on this.
	That's a crazy drop.
	Damn, that's crazy.
	That is awesome.
	They were pretty generous with.
	Whoa.
	What are the unknowns?
	Scroll down, keep coming.
	Hey, I might be a two.
	Wow.
	Okay.
	I swear to God.
	No.
	Extremely unattractive.
	Imagine you just see your own face.
	And I feel bad for them.
	Oh, shit.
	Nick, can we see the ladies?
	Check.
	The ladies.
	All right.
	I actually disagree with some of the placements here a little bit.
	Okay, tell us.
	Like that, okay, the second row, the Asian girl, Soy He.
	There's like other women in lower tiers that I would agree with.
	That I would put higher than her.
	Like the Liza Liza.
	Liza?
	I would put her higher than her.
	Don't talk about Liza.
	You don't know.
	Even some of the other Asian women I'd put higher than.
	I'd put these three, these bottom three Asian women.
	Liza's the Filipino.
	I'd put them higher than I can't pronounce her name.
	The Soy He?
	I don't know.
	Dude, I want to rewind.
	I feel like they can't bad.
	Let's go down.
	Let's go down.
	We'll keep going down though.
	All right, now we're getting into six.
	This is the women that's going to be.
	Six?
	5.5, you've got.
	Honestly, we have a European woman.
	Let's rewind.
	I feel like women are really the victims because look how beautiful all the women are.
	Oh, okay.
	Yeah, so we're all like twos.
	We're all like twos.
	They're all beautiful.
	Hey, speak for yourself.
	Okay, scroll down.
	All right.
	Amy Schumer with the 3.5.
	Okay.
	And then Sandra.
	Oh, okay.
	All right.
	Donatella Versace.
	Okay.
	Oh, man.
	I don't want to be in two.
	Take it back.
	I don't want to be in two.
	I want three.
	Tammy!
	What did Tammy do?
	Okay.
	So that's the rating skip.
	The people on Reddit have done some really thorough.
	You know, it's actually pretty good.
	I disagree with that.
	That one Asian woman though.
	I feel like they could have been hotter.
	Liza, Liza.
	Some of those at the top, I was like, yeah.
	Do you generally agree with it, though?
	Like, do you generally agree with that when you're looking at it?
	You could move some people up and down, but like, overall, it's.
	Well, according to that, I'm like a 12 then.
	Whoa.
	Whoa.
	Stop it.
	Get some help.
	It's just different standards.
	Okay.
	Beauties in the eye of a beholder.
	Yeah.
	You didn't even say that confidently.
	69.
	I'm sleeping.
	Okay.
	We're holding the bees.
	They could just sign.
	We are going to lower the.
	Hold on.
	I'm going to lower the TTS to 69.
	If just any of you want to get in.
	200.
	The whole show, huh?
	I was like, it's really quiet.
	So $69 TTS if anybody wants to get in a message.
	So what was the other stuff we had to get through, Nick?
	There was.
	What was the OMAN video?
	Yeah, we'll do that.
	Fuck it.
	We'll do it real quick.
	Ready?
	Yeah.
	If he won't, find someone who will.
	Like, if he won't open your door for you, find someone who will.
	Wait, pause it real quick.
	Do you guys agree?
	If he won't, find somebody who will.
	Wait, like, if he won't open the door for you?
	Is that what she said?
	No, in general, like, if he won't do X, find somebody who will.
	If it's something you want.
	No.
	No.
	Wait.
	But paying for dates?
	I um you said men are lazy.
	We're skipping your skipping job.
	While Paladins donated $69, I'll pay money just to have someone read out that Ana de la Masse is actually a 10.
	Reddit is a liberal cesspool.
	Disregard.
	That's great.
	Yeah, that's crazy.
	He's saying she is a 10 or no.
	Yeah.
	She's beautiful.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	She didn't deserve to be a six.
	I guess when she was a younger, younger, I guess.
	She's beautiful.
	Have you seen this woman?
	How old is she?
	I don't know.
	She's crying.
	Like your age?
	Oh, she's in her 40s, isn't she?
	Like your age, fuck.
	She is.
	She looks great.
	What about you?
	If he's not doing it, find someone who will.
	Yeah.
	If he won't, find someone who will.
	Agree or disagree?
	I don't go looking for anyone, but if they're not meeting my standards, I'll like just not entertain it.
	Yeah, I'd say yes.
	Find what you want.
	I feel like that's terribly vague, but overall, no.
	No.
	Yeah, same overall no.
	But there are specific things that can be deal breakers.
	I mean, unless you're already committed to the guy, then of course it's a moral stupid thing, then no.
	Like opening the door, that's obnoxious.
	Of course, I'm not going to go find someone for something like that.
	Go find someone else.
	Nick, we can play the rest.
	We'll press.
	Start from the beginning, actually, just so it's only a few seconds.
	You got it.
	I believe in you, Nick.
	Oh, man.
	Oh, man.
	Yeah, I guess we got to restart the whole podcast.
	Fuck that.
	Just refresh it.
	Just refresh.
	Guys, TTS is now 69.
	If you want to get the TTS in, yeah, go for it.
	If he won't, find someone who will.
	Like, if he won't open your door for you, find someone who will.
	Simple, right?
	My brother just asked me, does that work for guys too?
	I was like, of course.
	So he's like, so if she doesn't cook for me, find someone who will.
	If she won't do my laundry for me, then find a girl that will.
	Why does it sound so bad when men say it?
	It sounds bad because our society and culture are in a fallen state, and our media has everybody brainwashed into believing that life is about what I want, who owes it to me, and how I get it from them, but not about what I should be providing to others.
	This is my depiction of a transactional relationship.
	This is one thing she wants from him, one thing he wants from her.
	And if you stop there, it's just a negotiation.
	How much do I have to give to get?
	More mature relationships are focused on what I can provide.
	What is it that makes me a quality partner?
	That's why these conversations about the table are so stupid.
	Women will say, I am the table, as if he has no needs at all.
	That's what these princess treatment relationships are.
	It's just simping with no reciprocation, and it ends when you can't keep it up anymore.
	So when you say, Why does it sound so bad when men say it?
	It is because you are experiencing a demand instead of an offer of support.
	And that is how the internet pulls consciousness downwards.
	You might be a unique individual who recognizes multiple valid perspectives, but when you're flipping through TikTok, you're being programmed to be egocentric, self-interested, and self-protective, and to see others mainly as a means to an end.
	We still need to get our needs met.
	It's just so annoying to hear you all talk about it.
	I want this, and I want this, and I want that.
	Where's the part that would make us want to give it?
	I'll give you an example.
	Call to them for donated $69.
	Natalie, you're not nearly as intelligent as you think.
	The Dunning-Kruger is strong with you.
	You've barely dispatched the chimp in blue.
	Quit politics.
	You're hurting the cause.
	Do you want to respond to that?
	Uh, no.
	Oh, okay.
	Yeah, okay.
	All right, thank you, Paul.
	Thank you.
	Well, it's impossible to dispatch somebody.
	The chimp in blue doesn't make any description.
	It's kind of hard.
	It's hard, you know.
	You should have more women on the back end of your show.
	Oh, sure.
	I should.
	He's got some.
	He's got shows.
	Actually, no, he's actually got some.
	Better than the home.
	Actually, I got one male employee, one female employee.
	There you go.
	That's what I'm saying.
	Better.
	I'm a feminist.
	It's 2007.
	Better than 2017.
	32 out of 17 in here.
	That's my point.
	All right, we can play this.
	He's actually a feminist.
	Yeah.
	Somebody to do chores for me.
	I just don't list it as a primary requirement.
	I say that I'm looking for someone who is excited about who I am as a person so we can both help each other live fuller, more satisfying lives.
	And that would have to include someone doing the laundry, so there's no reason to mention it.
	It's a question of language and mentality.
	Everyone's talking about the results they want, but not about what they're going to do in order to deserve them.
	If you don't like your situation, you need to figure out why it's like that and then rethink a few things and then change how you show up and what you do or who you hang out with and see if you get better results.
	But instead, people just like to list off their demands on TikTok and offer nothing.
	It's social degradation.
	Don't do it.
	All right.
	That is Homath.
	He's got a very interesting channel.
	He does analysis.
	You guys draw stuff.
	You guys buddy's not going to be on the show.
	He's not on the show.
	He's been on the show.
	He's been on the show.
	Well, he did a call in.
	Who is that?
	Oh, I love his TikTok page.
	Oh, he's a bad person.
	He doesn't have to.
	Okay.
	Can I recommend something?
	Can I?
	Yeah.
	He's got to improve his art skills, man.
	That was tough.
	You talking shit about Homath?
	Yeah.
	His art skills.
	You think you can do better?
	100% I can.
	You think you can draw better than 100% I can.
	I'm an artist.
	100% you can't.
	I'm an artist.
	Yeah, clearly.
	I'm an artist.
	Wow.
	Okay, good talk.
	Any reaction?
	He mentioned something about princess treatment.
	You mentioned that in your dating app.
	Shots fired at Nicolette.
	Do you want to respond to Homath?
	He took shots at you, bro.
	So I cater to men who like want to do that.
	So your audience isn't going to agree with that.
	What?
	Like, I'm not forcing.
	Okay.
	I'm not forcing anyone to do anything they don't want to.
	That's true.
	Are you asking, like, what do I provide for them?
	Or like, what's the question?
	Well, yes, indeed.
	Well put.
	Well put.
	We had to also do boys.
	We had to do.
	Oh, there's.
	Oh, okay.
	So, guys, last week, we had this girl, and this actually will tie back into the thing we were talking about really early on in the show, which was waiting for like waiting to have sex or whatever.
	There's a girl who is scheduled to come on the show on Sunday.
	She no-showed.
	She no-showed.
	So what we're going to do is.
	Oh, what are we going to do?
	What are we going to do?
	I'm going to call her out.
	We're going to.
	I'm going to call her.
	I mean, she is kind of trash.
	She's a bag of trash for no-showing and not having the courtesy to just be like, hey, sorry I couldn't make it.
	By the way, she did text me like 6 p.m.
	So the me time's 4 p.m.
	6 p.m. the day of the show.
	Oh, I had a work call.
	That was her excuse.
	She had a work call.
	For two hours.
	So she couldn't make.
	Well.
	You said 6 p.m. your time?
	She messaged me at 6 p.m.
	Oh, I'm so sorry I couldn't make it.
	I got a work call.
	Two hours of your time, yeah.
	So super weird.
	Anyways, so she had some interesting pre-show notes.
	So since she's not here, but we're still gonna react to them.
	So, Nick, pull up the first one.
	Or wait, hold on.
	Is it the Instagram or is it her profile?
	Do we show her profile?
	I feel like it's a little free clout.
	She can't defend herself.
	Yeah, but she also needs to.
	She can come back and defend herself.
	Is this the penalty for no showing?
	Yeah.
	Public shaming.
	Shame.
	I'll ask the chat.
	Do we show the Instagram chat?
	Do we show the Instagram yes or no?
	Show the Instagram yes or no.
	Otherwise, I'll just show the messages.
	No.
	Yes.
	I like James' answer.
	Yes.
	Shame.
	Show it.
	Show.
	Yes.
	No.
	I was going to say yes.
	Yeah, I was going to say yes.
	It's easy.
	It's not.
	I'm seeing an overwhelming young image.
	It's like, oh, no free clout.
	No, no clout.
	No free clout.
	I would die for you, Jojo.
	Me too.
	But she'd still be the victim.
	Lol Paladins donated $69.
	Make shaming great again.
	I agree with that.
	We're not going to show it, but we're not going to show it.
	So just go to the messages, Nick.
	It's a better choice.
	Yeah, okay.
	So we have to kind of wait.
	Jojo, can you read, starting from her message?
	I've dated in three different states, even a couple different countries.
	And I've been on the dating scene for five years.
	I've had two serious relationships.
	And after that, tallied a decent body count.
	Suddenly, at 25, my frontal lobe kicked in, and I decided I was fed up with myself and the way I was dating.
	I told myself I wouldn't have sex with someone I wasn't genuinely connected to, and I haven't had sex in a year and seven months.
	Last summer, I had a dating experiment.
	I ran on Hinge, and the results were fascinating.
	Plus, I love to talk.
	Have me on your podcast.
	Okay, so there's a couple things here.
	Leave it here for a sec.
	She's dated in three different states, three different couple different countries.
	She's had two serious relationships, and after those, tallied a decent body count, suddenly at 25, my frontal lobe kicked in, and I decided I was fed up with myself and the way I was dating.
	Translation, fed up with being a strumpet and sleeping.
	I mean, by her own admission, she tallied a decent body count.
	I'm going to assume that's like 30.
	I told myself I wouldn't have sex with someone I wasn't genuinely connected to, and I haven't had sex in a year and seven months.
	And then I don't know about this Hinge experiment.
	Actually, I messaged her.
	Let me see if she got that.
	And then there's another one, Nick.
	Just pull up that other one from her.
	Should be the next tab over.
	All right.
	Which part?
	Scroll down a little bit.
	That's it.
	Up?
	Oof.
	Okay.
	I mean, oof.
	Okay, so she's single.
	She's single as fuck.
	And yeah, read the oof, please.
	Oof.
	Yes.
	Small town dating in high school.
	Then dated my volleyball coach who got stage four cancer and beat it.
	And then I dumped him.
	And then went feral in Europe.
	Really great story from there.
	Been single ever since.
	Five years.
	I literally am working on a book.
	Then I turned 25.
	My brain did things.
	And I decided I wasn't going to have sex with someone unless it was for love.
	And I haven't been laid in a year and seven months.
	Hashtag thoughts and prayers.
	So she said she went feral in Europe.
	What do you think feral in Europe means in terms of body count?
	Anyone who wants to sleep with her?
	She did it.
	10 plus, huh?
	What's that?
	10 plus, maybe?
	Anyone who wants to sleep with her?
	She's down.
	Minimum 10 plus.
	Turned 25, my brain did things, and she decided she wasn't going to have sex unless it was for love.
	She hasn't been late in one year, seven months.
	So bringing it back to the whole waiting for sex thing.
	So this girl admits she had a very promiscuous past, went feral in Europe.
	I'm going to just say 30.
	Let's ask the chat.
	Pull up the chat.
	What does going feral in Europe mean?
	They're going to say like one.
	No.
	To me, it's like anyone who's like down.
	100 plus is crazy.
	She's down if they're down.
	Oh, at least 50.
	She's probably there for like a week, let's be honest.
	So like, wait, what was the thing about the cancer thing?
	Did I miss that part?
	Yeah, it was like she said she was sleeping with her teacher or a coach, and then he got cancer and he dumped him.
	After he beat it, apparently.
	Sorry, Annaby.
	She dumped him after the cancer.
	Yeah.
	Stage four.
	Feral in Europe?
	I mean, that's at least a bare minimum 10.
	That's 10 bodies.
	I think I need more context on the trip.
	Yeah, if she's there for a week.
	That's some strumpet baby.
	I want to say body counts 50.
	Body counts 50.
	Tons of liberty donated $69.
	Thank you, ma'am.
	Democracy is two wolves and a lamb deciding what to eat for dinner.
	A republic is two wolves and a wallamed lamb deciding what to have for dinner.
	Benjamin Franklin, the USC is a republic.
	FJB.
	Okay.
	What does that mean?
	Thank you.
	That was beautiful.
	Oh, hey, what's up, Julia?
	What's up?
	What's up?
	Julia, you want some applesauce?
	You good?
	I'm chilling.
	I just had an anxiety attack, but we're chilling.
	We're vibing.
	We're out here.
	We good.
	Just a little anxiety attack.
	It happens to the best of us.
	So casual.
	Brian, remember this.
	Every time a girl cancels, she's here.
	I'm here.
	Even with an anxiety attack mid-show, she's here.
	I give respect to all you three because you guys have been on the show three times.
	Or, well, you two, three and then you twice.
	Twice for me.
	I always commend those who show up.
	We get a lot of kids.
	On time.
	We get lakes and late people.
	On time too.
	So you guys are consummate professionals, even though we disagree on things.
	Sometimes we have heated debates.
	Sometimes I call people retard.
	I still got love.
	Crackhead.
	It's all love.
	It's all love.
	And sorry that I was a little, you know, I did a little, I was a little to you.
	So I'm sorry.
	It happens.
	I apologize.
	No, to you.
	To who?
	I was like, damn it, why'd you gotta say that?
	I was a little bit out of there.
	I was a little out of pocket.
	Well, I was a little out of pocket.
	Here we are now.
	This is Kumbayan.
	The vibes have been immaculate.
	Shall we all hold hands?
	Yeah, we should hold hands.
	I'm a German.
	I needed a middle on the balcony, but I'm alive on the bottom.
	Okay, so going back to her thing, though.
	So ladies, so she, she's, I assume she's maybe done some dating in that one year, seven-month period.
	And so, like, imagine, like, she hit 25, she fucked like 50, 70 dudes, 100 dudes in Europe.
	Okay.
	200 dudes in Europe.
	Sure, yeah.
	Probably.
	Throwing a couple chicks.
	Why not?
	Crazy.
	Why not?
	Who knows?
	It's Europe, right?
	It's answered.
	It's fucking Lisbon.
	It's fucking Amsterdam.
	Do you think if she, like, now her shift was going from fucking guys, I'm assuming.
	Sure.
	Fucking guys within 30 minutes of meeting them to I'm waiting until love.
	That's what she says.
	She wants a connection.
	She wants love.
	What does that mean?
	Just what happened.
	What do you mean love?
	Do you think that that's valid?
	I don't think it's fair to make a man wait for something that other man other men got like that.
	Hold on.
	We're going to have to wait too.
	They have to work for it.
	Hold on.
	We're going to have to wait too.
	I mean, he bought dinners for so many women.
	I had to wait for that dinner.
	I think it's good that she came to that realization, and as long as they're having open discussion about it and he's comfortable with it, I don't see the problem.
	But it is kind of, I don't know.
	I think maybe it would be easy to go back to that same behavior, probably.
	Oh, interesting.
	Now it's easy to go back.
	I might have been better off on that bothering him.
	That's someone.
	I think he was looking at me during this conversation.
	No, I might have been better off on that.
	But no.
	I think it's okay.
	She didn't know what she wanted in her youth, right?
	That's, I think, the change in mentality or whatever.
	Yeah, I mean, I think this would be your desired outcome.
	She's like, oh, I already gave this puss away to everyone.
	I guess I should just give it away more.
	Like, the better choice is for her to be like, oh, that was harmful behavior.
	She's rethinking her mentality, right?
	Yeah.
	Do you guys think if a guy was like, no, I don't want to have to wait if a bunch of other men were 100% within their race?
	That's his own preference.
	But he shouldn't try to convince her, force her to have sex.
	You also shouldn't shame her.
	You shouldn't make someone feel bad for, you know, she's already got that body count.
	You can't change her by fucking, oh, you've had 20 people.
	You're disgusting.
	Okay, what now?
	Do you guys?
	Do you guys think, you know, girls usually will sleep with their lol paladins donated $69.
	She's only pure until the next time she takes another trip to Europe.
	Once a strumpet, always a strumpet.
	Any man that will wait for her is a moron.
	What is a strumpet?
	Strumpet's like a hole.
	Thank you, Paladin.
	Where does it originate from?
	Thank you.
	Like, is it a trumpet?
	Like, like a sexy trumpet.
	What is strumpet?
	It's like a fan.
	Panel DI includes low at the training bar.
	Would you rather have a police officer respond to your home invasion that Feiskelli can handle the situation?
	Or a DEI hire that could cost lives?
	No female cops.
	I'll take a female cop.
	Whatever.
	My phone got solely overlusion.
	No, no, that's not true.
	Hold on.
	Canadian girl, you are awesome.
	People were being super unfair.
	Don't worry about it.
	Brixon, love you, buddy.
	Thanks for the cast.
	Thanks, Robert.
	Thanks, baby.
	Super nice.
	I want to preface.
	I didn't have an anxiety attack because I thought people were being mean to me.
	I don't give a fuck about that.
	I just, I had an anxiety attack because I got my, it's just anxiety.
	I got in my own head and then it started kicking.
	It was like a ball.
	It's like a snowball.
	It keeps rolling and rolling, and then suddenly I'm thinking, like, oh my god, I can't exist right now.
	You know, it'd be like that sometimes.
	That's how anxiety works.
	That's how anxiety works.
	Like, it wasn't, nobody did anything.
	I just got in my head and it kept going.
	It was the real one.
	You asked me.
	I don't know.
	You looked at me.
	You're here.
	How come some people put an X in Brian's?
	You look at me first.
	No, no.
	Nobody did anything.
	Nobody made me upset.
	Nobody made me feel bad.
	There wasn't a chatter that made me go off the rails.
	It was genuinely just like, I got in my head and then my head wouldn't stop yelling at me.
	And then I needed to take a minute.
	That's how it works.
	That's anxiety.
	If you have anxiety, you know exactly what I'm talking about.
	So what do you guys think?
	Glad you're okay.
	Rachel?
	The chick who fucks like 300 dudes in Europe.
	I wish I could have to know her body count.
	I think like 100, she's like too weak.
	Can't we like, yeah, she's just too far gone already.
	But there's like tons of born-again virgins who come on the show, and it's like a single scenario.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Where they all want to sleep, but she's just waiting for love.
	Born again.
	If she is interested in the guy, then I mean, she had no problem sleeping with a bunch of other guys that she wasn't even interested in.
	But then her frontal lobe developed in Born Again.
	What if it were a reverse situation where it were a guy who had like a whole phase and then he's like, oh, I'm not going to sleep.
	So you can't like self-improve and be better and be like, oh, maybe that's not a good idea.
	Do you have to like, nope, too bad.
	I'm already too far gone.
	Just got to keep going.
	No, I'm curious.
	Do you guys curious on your take?
	What do you do?
	If it were a man.
	Do you guys judge men and women the same for sleeping around?
	Or is it just a woman problem?
	Are men capable of sleeping around and being okay and still starting a fight?
	I don't think, obviously, I don't think anyone should sleep around.
	I believe in no sex before marriage, but I do think that men and women are different and can be judged differently.
	So what was that part before?
	You said right before the marriage part?
	What did you say?
	I want one of the things that I just didn't hear you.
	Wait, what?
	Where do you get them?
	Just repeat what you said.
	I didn't hear you.
	Like just now to in response.
	Oh, okay.
	Yeah, I said, of course, I believe no sex before marriage, regardless of gender.
	But she asked if I judge men and women or women differently on the basis of sex before marriage.
	Like, if a man sleeps around a lot and a woman sleeps around, are you going to look at them differently?
	Honestly, probably.
	That's just subconscious.
	Mine was specific to that situation, though.
	Say a man were to have slept around and then he changed his mind.
	JC donated $69.
	Ladies, if you were dating a man who used to take girls out to fancy dinners but now wants to only take you to McDonald's, will you accept?
	That's fine with me.
	I fucking love McDonald's.
	Give me a cheeseburger baby.
	Anything else?
	What's he getting taken advantage of?
	And he's like, maybe I should just like chill on the first dates.
	That's the context.
	It's all about learning about pre-reality.
	If it's dates like that, why not?
	Fancy restaurants.
	That's where we go.
	Dude, when we go to McDonald's, I'm in sweatpants.
	We go to a fast restaurant.
	I'm like, shit.
	What about you, Nicolette?
	No.
	Yeah, exactly.
	I don't need McDonald's.
	It's the same logic.
	Terrible for you.
	It's like, whatever.
	I don't go anywhere.
	It's about learning.
	It's like we go to ice cream, like KFC.
	A lot of first dates are like coffee shops.
	Same kind of thing.
	I think that's nice.
	But if it's like, oh, it depends on the heart behind it.
	It doesn't matter about if he took previous girls to these.
	Maybe he got scorned.
	Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
	What's the context?
	He's like, wait a minute.
	I feel like girls are just using me because I take him to nice, fancy dinners.
	They got a group chat on the side.
	Of course.
	Well, there's also an in-between.
	You know, there's like Applebee's and stuff.
	It doesn't have to be.
	There's Applebee.
	Oh, it's about getting it.
	There's Chewy's.
	Maybe.
	Like, maybe that's kind of the vibe where it's like, oh, like, haha.
	Yeah.
	Let's see what the girl's into.
	Like, and if she's like, no, you have to take me somewhere nicer first date.
	It's like, oh, maybe you guys aren't met for each other.
	I feel like I would know.
	I would know it when I see it.
	If either party is being manipulative or just kind of like, oh, I'm not going to do that.
	I feel like you would know it when you see it.
	It does also.
	Oh, it's whatever you touch.
	For first date, if he said, we're going to McDonald's, would you go?
	First date, we're going to McDonald's.
	No, but only because I don't eat McDonald's.
	It's gross.
	I'd be like, hey, can we go anywhere else?
	Like Chick-fil-A.
	Okay, okay.
	So first date, like fast food, would you go?
	No.
	I need to know if you're like a cool person first.
	But if he's like, hey, I just don't think you ever deserve anything nice.
	I'm like, you know what?
	Maybe we shouldn't date.
	He's just asking.
	You're feeling someone out.
	I don't think there's anything wrong with a simple date.
	Maybe it's not a bad way to test somebody.
	Like, you can see my character on an appropriate date.
	That's not McDonald's.
	You don't have to pay all that.
	You're also assuming that McDonald's is a decent date.
	So like, what if you guys don't, you don't like his character?
	You're assuming that he's going to take you to this like $100 place or whatever, and then he feels your character and you don't like him.
	Seems kind of like entitled.
	I'm all for like show effort and you know, be courteous, but it seems presumptuous to be like, you better take me to a Michelin star restaurant.
	If that's what she's looking for, and that's what she's looking for in the long run, why would she go on a first date that doesn't align with that?
	100%.
	Bringing it back to the woman who fucked 400 men.
	Skyray.
	It keeps getting high.
	$69.
	Question for the Mormon: Did you ever soak?
	If so, who was your shaker?
	Also, Jesus is King FJB.
	Hashtag voting for all felon.
	Hashtag fuck feminism.
	Drizzle, drizzle, drizzle, drizzle.
	TSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTSTS TST.
	You screwed up the sprinkler.
	You screwed it up.
	But no, and that is not a thing.
	What does that mean?
	Soaking?
	You don't know soaking?
	It was a thing created by sex Mormons.
	Anyway, so to come back to the woman who had sex with 600 men in Europe, so if you were JC asked ladies if you're dating a man who used to take girls out to fancy dinners but now wants to only take you to McDonald's, I think you guys were discussing that a little bit.
	Yep.
	But you guys think that that's fine then, right?
	I said yes.
	Go to McDonald's for first date.
	You said yes or no?
	Is that just like, is that a first date or is that the standard for life?
	First date.
	Okay, that's fine.
	I think it would slightly hurt my feelings, but like what are the reasons?
	Like he went out on a lot of dates and it was like they were using him.
	Yeah.
	Or he had not made as much money now, so it doesn't make sense to take me to somewhere more expensive.
	I think it would be dependent on that kind of stuff.
	Well, here, let me paint it a little differently then.
	So, okay.
	You meet a guy, and you know that every single previous girl he dated, whether it was a long-term relationship, whether it was short-term, whether it was a one-night stand, but he took her to dinner first, whatever.
	He always paid, always paid for dinners.
	However, he's now met you and he wants to take you seriously, but he wants to split the bill.
	Yes, so I think the way that that question is posed is kind of like how she's saying she realized it was bad for her.
	Maybe he realized financially that it was bad for him.
	But there have been no material changes to his income.
	That's fine.
	He's making the same.
	Doesn't bother me.
	I mean, I'm going, but my feelings would be a little hard.
	Yeah.
	I'm sure we can all acknowledge he's within his, it's within his realm.
	And it's okay for him to do that.
	But you wouldn't feel a little bit like, why am I getting different treatment than all the other women?
	Because he probably got treated bad by them.
	I'd have to know more of his personality.
	I don't know that.
	I don't know that.
	I don't know if he got treated bad by them.
	I'm just what if he didn't, though?
	What if he didn't?
	And maybe that's fine.
	If I really like him, sure, that's fine.
	Wait, how about this?
	How about this?
	That's great.
	You're dating a guy.
	And actually, let me ask a question.
	Like, for the girls here, do you want a guy who's willing to go down?
	Ugh, what do you mean?
	Head.
	You want head?
	Oral sense?
	Nah, we're talking about this.
	And I don't know.
	Do you want a guy?
	Look, just downtown.
	Do you want a guy who's willing to go down?
	I don't care.
	Not a deal breaker.
	It's not a deal breaker.
	You want head or not, babe?
	What do you want?
	I responded with my hands.
	You don't care?
	With my hands.
	Yeah.
	So you'd be totally cool, like a guy just didn't want to do it.
	No, no, okay.
	So is this I don't know?
	I don't want to say.
	I don't care.
	Come on.
	You got to answer.
	I said, answer the question.
	Gross question, but I said how's that a gross girl?
	It is a gross question.
	How is it?
	I don't think it's a Brian.
	Do you like anal sex?
	Well, hold on.
	Whoever wants to answer.
	Oh, yes, I will.
	What's more common, oral sex or people having anal sex?
	Oh, probably oral.
	It's me.
	Probably oral.
	I want to know.
	I think it would be oral.
	Really?
	Yeah.
	In heterosexual couples, you think?
	Well, no.
	It's definitely more popular than me.
	You're saying nuts.
	Girl getting EL versus anal.
	I don't know which ones.
	Eugene.
	You think it's like.
	50-50 on oral versus analogy.
	Do you need a study?
	You need a study?
	No, I just fill it up.
	You need the study?
	No.
	What's more likely to happen?
	Oh.
	God damn.
	No, it was good.
	It was still.
	It was a good one.
	Dude, that anxiety check treated me well, eh?
	I'm back in action.
	Oh, sorry, the Purity Police.
	Talking about oral sex is, oh, that's so vile.
	It's off the table on a dating pod.
	Who would think to ask about this?
	I'm so tired.
	I answered.
	Okay.
	I answered.
	Hey, I answered.
	Yes, I do want to get had J-Dog.
	J-Dog, what's up, baby?
	Back in action.
	What's up?
	Theresa Vancouver.
	Back from the streets of Coover.
	Here in San Diego, wherever we are.
	Now from Santa Barbara.
	Fuck.
	I don't know what's four hours north.
	Santa Barbara.
	Annoying looking fans.
	Coover, they want the Coozer.
	Vancouver.
	Vancouver called Coover.
	Coover, they want the Coos.
	Can you say fucking A for me?
	Fucking A. Is that pretty good?
	All right, go ahead and answer the question.
	You're welcome into Canada.
	Tell us.
	Okay, yeah.
	I mean, I'd prefer it, but I also, like, I wouldn't give a shit at the same time.
	Okay.
	You know, I got to get on home.
	Got a long drive.
	She needs it.
	That's pretty late.
	She doesn't want to answer.
	You want to answer the question?
	She says she needs it.
	I'm only comfortable discussing that with my future husband.
	Okay, what about you?
	Wouldn't be a deal-breaker.
	Truth be told, not super into it.
	I don't really want to answer the question, but for good faith reason, I'll just say whatever my husband is comfortable with.
	Yeah, that's a good answer.
	Oh, you can't feel it.
	Natalie?
	I don't really care.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Well, it's going to be hard to give this example then.
	I could still give it, but so here it is.
	Every single girl that this guy's been with, whether it's short-term, one-night stand, long-term relationship, he went down on her.
	But when he finally met you, he just, just not my thing, you know, I don't, you know, I want to maybe wait till marriage to do that.
	He's like, so I only do head and receive heads.
	That's why I should stay in a relationship.
	Where's the realist?
	Okay, but let's say you meet a guy, right?
	Because you want a guy to go down on you.
	You meet a guy, you find out that he's gone down on every single girl, like first date.
	You might say that.
	And we're dating.
	You're dating, but he, like, he doesn't want to go down on you yet.
	Would you not kind of take that personal?
	Like, yeah, and be like, this isn't going to work out.
	Yeah, so it's the same logic.
	It's actually funny.
	So I was hooking up with this guy one time just to hook up first time meeting.
	And before we're like about to hook up, he says, oh, just to let you know, I don't like go down on girls.
	And I was like, oh my god, thank God because I don't go down on guys.
	And he was like, you're joking, right?
	So he expected to get head without giving it.
	Oh, no.
	Sweet.
	Not really.
	Sweet.
	That's kind of weird.
	It's the opposite of sweet.
	The question before was like expecting to get your dinner paid for first or whatever.
	I can't remember, right?
	Is that what it was?
	No, no, no, no.
	The question before was talking about the girl who's the McDonald's.
	We're comparing it to getting like head or whatever, are we not?
	Well, now we are, but no, it was McDonald's question if he took a bunch of girls to like fancy restaurants and then now he wants to only take you to McDonald's.
	Yeah, I mean, but the thing is, is like getting your dinner paid for like is different than like getting like intimacy from your partner is what I'm saying.
	That's why he gave the I'm trying to use an analogy.
	No, I know you're trying to use an analogy, but it's difficult to like make that same comparison because like if someone didn't pay for my dinner, I don't give a shit.
	Like whatever, I'll pay for my own things and I can make my own money.
	But if someone doesn't want to like, you know, they don't like me in that way or they don't want to do that for me in that way, they don't, you know, whatever it is, like whatever it is that's blocking them from wanting to do that with me, I would, I would, that would throw me off for sure.
	That would throw me off.
	To me, though, this whole like switch-up ride, it's a little strange.
	I don't care either way.
	I mean, I don't, it's not, I understand, but like, what do you want her to just keep throwing it out?
	Keep banging?
	No, look, what's the best option for her?
	I feel like that's the best.
	I mean, you can do that.
	So she can do whatever.
	Look, she could have had sex with 100 men in a two-week period, and then at the end of the two-week period, say, hey, I only want to have sex until we're married, but we can only have sex for procreation and with the lights off, and like totally do a switch-up.
	She could do that, but I guess I'm giving this is more from the male angle.
	I'm prescript, excuse me, prescriptively telling men that this is absolutely unfair treatment, and you ought not date a woman who does this.
	Yeah, I think that she should be honest.
	She can do whatever she wants.
	I think she should tell whoever she's dating, like her history, and maybe that comes up.
	And I think they're within the right to ignore it.
	Didi Boogika donated $69.
	After four hours of watching, I have come to the conclusion that the entire right side of the table has a collective IQ of 20.
	Hashtag Yale Smoochies.
	Hashtag Smoochie Moi Moi Moi.
	Good thing I'm in the corner.
	Okay, thank you, Diddy Boo Geeker.
	Do you guys?
	I don't know.
	That was right side earlier.
	It's some me, I'm in the corner.
	That was right side earlier.
	No, they're definitely talking about that side.
	I don't know why.
	Why is it definite?
	Why is it definite?
	That was right side earlier.
	That's the right side.
	So the collective group IQ.
	Do you remember that purple dress earlier?
	Was that no, right purple?
	Was that early corner?
	Yeah, but do you guys?
	I mean, they are saying you have a collective group IQ of 20.
	You feel like you want to defend yourself.
	My is 19, and they all have a half a point each.
	That's so sweet.
	Well, that didn't prove that very well.
	That's so sweet.
	Mine is negative 200, and so you guys are actually geniuses.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	That's crazy.
	Mine's you guys are not helping your case.
	But are you guys cool with that?
	Like if a girl switches up, previously super promiscuous, fucked 800 guys in your room.
	He's stuck.
	And then, you know, and then, oh, I'm going to, I'm waiting for love.
	I'm waiting for connection.
	That seems fine.
	Her body, her choice.
	Period.
	I don't care if I'm not going to be able to do that.
	What if she makes a mistake with a guy viewing that as like an unfair situation and he's choosing not to date her based solely on that criteria?
	Is that valid too?
	Yes, 100% valid.
	Yes.
	That's totally fine.
	Not wrong.
	Was it in his fine?
	I brought this up before you went to the bathroom.
	It was like kind of the same thing as born agains, right?
	Yeah.
	In a sense?
	No?
	Mm-hmm.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	True.
	He's had people come on who were like born again, something that's like similar.
	You're like hiding behind the microphone, just FYI.
	I would like you to share that opinion when a born-again Christian man comes on.
	That's literally what I said earlier.
	No, they've done that before.
	Men and women are not even like, hey, that one particular episode I was on.
	Yeah, you did not go after him.
	Was it Chase?
	I think Chase is the one only one I have sex.
	I think it depends on their views, but yeah, you've gone after men on this show.
	It's because men and women are different.
	Men want sex.
	Women want no, not your opinion, Brian's opinion.
	I think men want relationships as well.
	I'm not faulting.
	Because you said that for like a girl, you don't think it's cool for her to do that.
	Do what?
	If she was promiscuous and then too far, I'd be like, I'm going to save myself for marriage.
	What's your opinion on a guy?
	It's not.
	Okay, here's, I guess, the difference.
	From the guy's perspective, you, as a woman, you can do whatever you want.
	You fucked 100 guys in a week, and then at the end of the week, I'm waiting until marriage.
	You can do it.
	I'm prescriptively telling men that's a terrible, that's a terrible deal.
	Would you prescriptively tell a woman that's a terrible deal?
	Sure.
	Okay.
	Well, that was my question.
	If the woman in the situation is desirous of a sexual relationship, it's a terrible deal.
	If the woman accepts it, sure.
	I mean, there is a difference here a little bit between men and women, but yeah.
	Does anyone here think that anyone should just sleep with a bunch of people before getting married?
	Does anyone think like I should rack up a body count of 80 before I get married?
	Does anyone believe that?
	I like test drive the cars.
	Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
	Does anyone think more like 90?
	Damn, I'm thinking more 200.
	100.
	Like 100.
	It's just weird because this girl, she's going to reward those guys who meant nothing to her.
	The fuckboys, assholes, jerks, whatever.
	But then the woman loving is the guy who's worthy.
	You can't learn from your mistakes or like be better and like not do what you do.
	But the problem is, I think she's probably perfect.
	You didn't get it right.
	No, he's not saying she can't do that.
	He's saying it's a terrible deal.
	man side she probably thinks right to not be into that that's totally within their right That's a bad deal.
	And she seems like she matured a lot.
	Well, she may also think that those guys are worthy.
	Or it might be a great deal for him because she has lots of experience.
	Oh, yeah.
	And when they do finally bang, it's a good thing.
	And a full frontal low.
	A full frontal low.
	I need a full frontal and I actually have to get going.
	And Nick told me to say bye on camera.
	Or you could just stay until the end of the show.
	What time is that?
	I don't know.
	I'm going like another 30, 40 minutes, probably.
	Am I ever going to see you again?
	Such a long time.
	Am I really?
	Don't worry, you'll be good.
	He said, nah, you're good.
	Damn, you're right.
	You got this.
	Where are you driving?
	Patriarchy once again.
	Okay, anyway, so what was I going to say?
	I don't know.
	It's just, it's a bad deal.
	Bad deal for the guys.
	Say no if you want to say no.
	Yeah.
	I mean, you don't have to accept it.
	You can say like she's full of crap and whatever.
	That's a person's choice.
	But as far as the girl's perspective, if she really does have a change of heart, it's really unfair to be like, well, you did this already.
	You already made this mistake.
	You're stuck in this.
	No, if so, I don't think there's anything any such thing as too far gone.
	If someone was like, no, I don't want to because you did that and she gave them a hard time, then she's a shitty person.
	Like, it's in their right to say no.
	She did what she did.
	Okay.
	She'll find someone that'll like her.
	I don't know.
	Yeah.
	Still a raw deal for the man, though.
	Like assuming that data.
	Assuming the guy is desirous of a sexual relationship, it's a raw deal for the guy.
	Then he should find somebody else.
	Exactly.
	100%.
	That's what he's saying.
	Move on.
	Well, I'm also saying that.
	Like, if he's like, no, this is a dumb deal, like, walk away.
	No one's like forcing you to be in this.
	True.
	Yeah.
	Do you?
	I think everyone's allowed to have their preferences.
	You can have crappy and whatever preferences you want.
	They don't have to be great or moral.
	You can have them.
	Find someone else who aligns with them.
	Lol Paladins donated $69.
	Weird that brown shirt is against the federal European girl.
	When she herself hasn't learned her lesson, she hasn't had a change of heart.
	She is too far gone.
	She can't follow her own advice.
	You're already with the person.
	Your response.
	That's what I said.
	Your response.
	I should go with a better response, but I'm really tired right now.
	I mean, you're not really contributing to my life in any way, and I don't really care.
	You're not paying my bills.
	You don't get to really have to say in my life, but the better answer I should have given is like, there's no condemnation.
	That was in Christ Jesus.
	He's the only one who can judge me.
	And he's saying, hey, like, do what I told you to do and just be better.
	That's okay.
	Can you read this one?
	Thank you, Robert.
	You're all beautiful people.
	I've been having a tough time.
	I am alone and work 20 hours daily just resting.
	I have a dying sister and a sick mother, father dead.
	Keep up discussing the hard topics.
	And I will continue contributing.
	God bless all Robert Tanner.
	Yo, Robert Tanner.
	Tabby for Robert.
	Thank you, man.
	Really appreciate the super chat.
	Sorry to hear that you're going through a tough time now.
	20 hours a day, dude.
	That's crazy.
	Get some rest, man.
	Get some sleep.
	But also, thank you for listening to the whatever podcast.
	You listening to it during the work?
	Yeah, during work.
	Okay, there you go, man.
	Thank you.
	Appreciate it.
	Robert Tanner.
	I think, I mean, they all kind of agree with me, so I don't know what I can really argue with the whole waiting for sex thing.
	They're all like, yeah, if a guy doesn't want to date her, that's fine.
	I'm out.
	That's valid.
	Maybe I can give one last analogy.
	No, you just kind of agree.
	No, we're sure.
	Wait, what?
	She's leaving.
	Just stay for the rest of the show.
	I'm so tired.
	He works 20-hour days.
	No, that's not me.
	Yeah.
	That can never be me.
	I'm not that.
	I'm not that guy.
	We do have the rest session.
	Yeah, you have to stay for the rest session.
	No, what does that mean?
	You got to stay.
	You got to stay.
	As your father, you need to sit down.
	As your daddy.
	Whoa.
	Okay.
	Oh, we had to do tweets.
	You got to definitely hear.
	You got to see her tweets.
	Her tweets are.
	My tweets are great.
	Thank you.
	We knew that you were going to go for my tweets.
	My tweets are great.
	That's all I want.
	Oh, we're all going to love them.
	We're going to have such a good time.
	Nick, just double check, make sure there's nothing like TOS.
	Oh, I'm excited.
	My Twitter is fantastic, and we all had a good time.
	What?
	Skeletor.
	Pull up Skeletor.
	Yeah, Skeletor, really quick.
	Yeah, what's up, baby?
	Skeletor's tweets.
	Put me up beside that.
	What do you mean?
	Close them on my face and pull me up beside it.
	No, close them on my face.
	Purple and everything.
	Yeah, you don't know how to work this shit.
	You don't know how to work this shit, dog.
	That's a L.
	Yeah, the tweeters are good.
	Are the tweets good?
	Are they safe, Nick?
	Oh, what do you say?
	My tweets are mixed.
	You still say safe.
	Yeah, we all say tweets.
	Check.
	The cool kids still say tweets.
	Okay, pull up the first one then.
	Is it funny or sad that no man has ever made me come before?
	No man's ever made me come.
	Wait, really?
	That's sad.
	No man's ever made me come.
	Really?
	No man's ever made me come.
	So this is like two months ago.
	No man's ever made me come.
	Even the five-year.
	Wait, hold on.
	No.
	Five.
	Yeah, he never did.
	No.
	I would do it for myself.
	You're able to make yourself?
	Yeah, I can do it myself in a minute, but he never made me come.
	No man's ever made me come.
	How many?
	And you said body count, like six, was it?
	Yeah.
	Or was it eight?
	What do you mean?
	Or was it 18?
	Multiply it by three.
	That's the real number.
	You can multiply by three all you want, but still.
	So divide and become.
	So you're all taking L's.
	Okay.
	But you're able to make yourself?
	Easily, yeah.
	Not even a big deal.
	Easily?
	Like, how?
	Like in a minute.
	In a minute?
	Just hands?
	Or using toys?
	WikiWiki.
	You're double-clicking your money.
	It's not even an issue, dog.
	What do you mean?
	All right.
	And like, have they tried?
	Yeah, it just doesn't.
	It's just never worked.
	I don't know.
	They just never hit the right spot.
	They're just hitting it weird.
	There's a little too much pressure.
	It's not enough pressure.
	They're off to the left.
	It's tilted weird.
	I don't like that.
	Wow, okay.
	And you haven't tried to guide them at all?
	No, I have.
	And they still can't do it.
	I think men don't know how to listen, and women don't know how to listen to men.
	You know, it's like back and forth.
	It's like we give you bad hand jobs and you can't make a scum.
	True.
	Wait, so you're saying, hold on, just to be clear, just out of curiosity, and if it's too much, TMI, whatever.
	I don't care.
	Is it like clit or internal?
	Like, how do you make yourself come or is it both?
	Clit.
	And they can't do it?
	No.
	Amateur hour over here.
	Wiki wiki.
	Oh, he's talking to him.
	He's so big, right?
	Where's my DJ?
	Where's my DJ?
	Challenge accepted it.
	Could it be me?
	Challenge, accept it.
	I'm just curious, though.
	I have heard this from a lot of women that they struggle to climax when it comes to.
	It's a little more awkward when you're with men.
	Like, it's hard to relax.
	It's hard to just be with yourself.
	You know, you have someone watching you, like, getting off and just looking at you.
	So you can't just assist.
	Have you encountered this problem with men?
	Yeah.
	I said, who hasn't?
	But has anybody never come from a guy?
	Wait, you too?
	I have to rephrase.
	What is going on?
	I have to rephrase.
	And what is going on?
	Okay, Canada is amazing.
	Shut your mouth.
	We love Canada.
	We love Canada.
	I have to rephrase.
	I've come with a dude.
	I've just never had a dude make me come.
	Huh?
	Oh, like that.
	That's not the way it was.
	You brought yourself there.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	I'm just sitting side by side.
	That doesn't.
	Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
	It doesn't count.
	It doesn't count.
	That doesn't count.
	E-sex, what's that?
	I've never heard of that.
	You have had sex, right?
	No.
	He's gay.
	No, but then sex.
	So you've a guy's never made.
	Keep going.
	I feel weird.
	Damn, bro.
	What about you?
	It's complicated.
	It really is.
	Yeah.
	In what?
	I was hurt.
	I miss you already.
	Just sit.
	Oh, my God.
	Stay.
	Just stay.
	Nathan's going to answer this.
	I got to go.
	That was funny, though.
	I think she likes her husband too much.
	Can I take it?
	No.
	No.
	I'm taking it.
	No, Oh, okay.
	Okay.
	Do you want to answer the question?
	I think I did.
	No, you didn't?
	I totally did.
	That was an answer.
	What was it?
	It's complicated.
	Okay, well, here, tell us how it's complicated.
	Because, like, I made it happen with the help of their appendage.
	But, like, I was doing it.
	Like, I made it.
	Like, you know?
	So you were, like, on top?
	Yes.
	I can't remember.
	Doing everything.
	I think that counts.
	Okay.
	Right?
	Did somebody fall?
	I don't know.
	Yeah, she did.
	Oh, it's the fabric.
	She doesn't want to admit it, but she did.
	Wow.
	Throwing Maddie under the bust.
	And so you're saying, like, from so it was like a.
	You came from sex, but you were writing.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	All right.
	That's, yeah, that's.
	I can't wait till we get to you.
	I'm going to ask you.
	How many have you?
	How many ladies have you been?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	I'll answer.
	I will answer any question.
	Any question you want related to that, I'll answer it.
	Sure.
	Nicolette, what's up?
	I've definitely had a man make me come before.
	Good for you.
	Not all of them.
	Not all of them.
	But yeah.
	What percentage?
	Probably like one-third.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Madison?
	Only one has been able to, and it's my boyfriend.
	Okay.
	I'd be coming.
	Yeah.
	Come on, rather than.
	Good for you.
	It's easier for some women.
	Okay.
	I'm not going to answer it.
	But obviously, my husband.
	Yeah.
	Natalie?
	Yeah, I've never had issues.
	Okay, all right.
	So how many women?
	You tell me.
	How many women?
	Okay, so I won't say any questions.
	How do you know they weren't lying to you?
	How do you know?
	I will.
	Oh, I know.
	Trust me.
	He knows.
	I know.
	Okay, so granted, there's a massive difference in orgasm response between women.
	Like some women, literally within seconds.
	Sure.
	And I'm not like trying to get, like, there are just some women, any, like, it could have been any guy.
	It wasn't necessarily even me.
	Honestly, my success rate, four out of five.
	Probably, hold on, it's higher.
	Hold on.
	Nine out of ten.
	Does that mean their body count's five?
	No.
	Nine out of ten.
	Wait, no, times three.
	Shit, you're whore.
	Actually, I'd have to like think about it.
	It's a majority.
	So I have a question.
	Has the girl never been able to make you come before?
	Oh, gosh.
	She was awful.
	That made me cry.
	That would make me cry.
	I mean, I can usually get myself there.
	No, but like the girl on her own.
	And you're just like, oh, it's just like not going to happen.
	I mean, I've had encounters where I didn't.
	Was it because she couldn't, or you're just like moving on?
	Oh, shit.
	I'm sober, and this bitch might be uglier than I thought.
	The lights turned on.
	Oh, my God.
	Or maybe the blowjob was teethier.
	Yeah, that.
	Okay.
	Do I blowjob?
	Julie, what did you say?
	That's crazy, though.
	That's wild.
	He looked at me and you and he said, that's crazy, though.
	I mean, her two, kind of, I guess.
	I hear it a lot.
	It's not.
	I hear it a lot.
	We've had a lot of girls on the show say they've like never, they've never even come, period.
	But also just like a guy's never been.
	Oh, I feel like that's all the time on my own.
	I could see it if it's like one-offs.
	Yeah.
	But for I feel in a relationship.
	Even in relationships.
	Well, I feel like a lot of the time that I've had sexual encounters with men, it's this, they're more concerned with like, okay, she's wet enough for me to just start fucking her.
	Like it's not necessarily about like.
	No, you got to make her come before.
	No, no, I agree.
	I agree with you, but I feel like I'm just so sexy they can't help themselves.
	Shut your fucking mouth.
	She's like, having a panic action.
	Do you know what I mean?
	She was crying on the balcony an hour earlier having anxiety time.
	Like, I'm just too sexy.
	That's what you were thinking out on the balcony.
	Yeah.
	That's why she got anxiety.
	She was too sexy.
	Too fucking hot.
	I'm calling my eyes out.
	The people, they can't handle me.
	She can't exist.
	I actually, although I did date, I did date two women that, if I recall correctly, they couldn't even make themselves sad.
	I hope they fixed that.
	Were you successful on those?
	No.
	No.
	It's not without trying, but they weren't even able to do it themselves.
	And we tried.
	Can I have the numbers?
	I'll fix that.
	What?
	Oh, because you're bossing.
	I'm going to make them come apparently.
	We need to end soon because we go home.
	Anyways, where were tweets?
	Oh, write her.
	Oh, my tweets.
	We only got to the first one.
	That's where that originate.
	Wait, go back to the original.
	I wanted to see the poll.
	W?
	I got 21 likes on that.
	Is it funny or sad that no man has ever made me?
	500 votes on this.
	Everyone's saying sad.
	And I have 40,000 viewers.
	I mean, subscriber.
	Okay, next.
	Sorry, but teasing.
	Oh, read it.
	Why don't you read it?
	Sorry, but teasing men and not letting them have what they want is so much more fun than giving it in right away, than giving in right away.
	Giving in right away, you mean?
	Not it in.
	You've never heard of a tease?
	What the fuck's wrong with you?
	You ain't never heard of a tease?
	That was June 28th.
	I'm a changed person.
	Well, are you giving away twin two?
	2022.
	Are you going to give in eventually, or are you just teasing and never giving?
	Nah, I like fucking with them.
	Well, she just like a day ago is.
	Toxic.
	I like Edgy.
	Toxic.
	It's been two years.
	I'm different now.
	It's been two years.
	I'm different now.
	Like two days ago.
	Where did you get this accent from?
	I'm from Canada.
	Okay.
	What do you mean?
	Coover?
	Make me some.
	What's it?
	What's the grat?
	No, it's poutine.
	Poutine?
	Poutine.
	Poutine.
	Well, in Quebec, they call it Poutine.
	Okay, cool.
	But Albertans call it.
	Let's do the next tweet.
	Next tweet.
	I got to stop spoiling that.
	I sent too many feet pics out that day.
	Yikes.
	Good times.
	How many times sent out?
	Too many feet pics that day.
	Oh, can you read this one?
	Me?
	God.
	Her go.
	My experience, it's the girls' problem.
	They don't climax.
	They get too much in their own head.
	Ex-wife is the most difficult person I've ever been with.
	But my reason, GF, I can make come three times before I'm inside.
	Some girls are crazy, son.
	It's crazy.
	It's their fault, obviously.
	It's crazy.
	Women lost copy every time.
	Bro, like 30 times in like 10 minutes.
	That's how good you are.
	No, it's not.
	It's just them.
	I don't know.
	Something's going on with the pussy.
	I don't know.
	Oh, I'm not going to comment.
	Magical pussy.
	I don't know.
	I'm not going to comment.
	That's why it's actually, I think it's actually bad for guys to have a high body count.
	Because as a guy, once you stumble over, it's a magical pussy.
	It's a rap.
	It's done.
	Trust real Canadians disavow the strompic.
	Cheese-faced Hastings.
	Oh, shit.
	That's fine.
	Have you been to East Hastings?
	It's kind of spooky ookie.
	Spooky ookie.
	Last time I went to East Hasting, I bought them a pack of cigarettes and I got some McDonald's for them.
	We hung out, and the guy beside me spoke some meth, and it was kind of crazy.
	There's no way this is your real voice.
	That's real.
	This is not your real voice.
	What do you mean?
	Tuesdays?
	Tuesdays?
	On Tuesdays, we go to East Hastings.
	This is from fucking Boston.
	No, this is, it's Canadian.
	Okay.
	I'm from Canadia.
	Yeah.
	Oh, what the fuck?
	Yeah, turn this shit off.
	He's playing back your voice.
	It's your own fucking stream.
	You can't even get that locked in.
	The fuck?
	What the frick?
	Okay, guys, we're loading the TTS to 25.
	We're going to do the row session.
	We have one more tweet.
	Nick, if you could pull it up.
	I'm so excited.
	Read it.
	Oh, no.
	I love when Amanda's physical labor for me and then has, and then as a reward to him, I get my own back blown out.
	That's funny as fuck.
	Is that hilarious?
	But hold on, you are you have you really ever got your back blown out?
	No, my back just hurts anyways.
	I guess you could not come, but have your still.
	Yeah, no, that sounds so much worse.
	I got my oil changed by my ex, but my back still hurts anyways.
	But it's not his fault.
	It's just me.
	Charlie Tanner donated $50.
	Yeah, thank you, Charlie.
	Talking to a few people in the chat.
	A lot of grievances.
	IT seems unless someone can give money, their voice are not heard.
	I hope I am wrong.
	What a time we are living in.
	What a time we are living in.
	Thank you, Charlie Tanner.
	That's beautiful.
	You are a true Shakespearean poet.
	TTS is now 25, guys.
	Was that the last tweet?
	All of my tweets are fantastic.
	I feel like you guys were trying to clock me more than you could have.
	Are they just going to actually roast us?
	Maybe, who knows?
	While we're waiting for some of those to come through, does anybody have any final thoughts that you'd like to get out there?
	Natalie, do you want to say anything to her?
	Me?
	Or Abigail?
	Do you want to say anything to her?
	Me?
	Yeah, to these two right here.
	What's up?
	I can't.
	No, go.
	Audio.
	I don't have anything to say.
	Come on, Abigail.
	You got it.
	She's not there.
	She's not sitting.
	We can come together with our differences.
	It's fine.
	You guys are cool.
	Ron underscore Briggs donated $25.
	Brian, I'm hooked.
	I discovered whatever like three weeks ago and have gotten through about half of the dating talks.
	I haven't even watched Cody's 2EP1 yet because I'm watching whatever non-stop.
	I watched it.
	Keep it up.
	Hot D. Did anybody here at the panel watch House of the Dragon season two episode one?
	No, I haven't seen it yet.
	Nobody?
	I only watched the first.
	I'm excited to watch it.
	We're going to put it on and play WoW tonight.
	I'm so excited.
	Yeah.
	As soon as we get home, I'm going to.
	Yeah, these girls missed out on.
	What?
	Well, no, we're going to watch it while we play WoW.
	I got to get to level 20.
	It was.
	Yo, Ron, first off, thank you for going back, watching all the episodes.
	Thank you for the patronage.
	Appreciate it, man.
	Glad you're enjoying the show and watching everything.
	And I can't give spoilers.
	What did you think of it?
	It was good.
	I liked it.
	Before the episode started, I was already like, hey, she's fucking him, isn't she?
	Oh, don't.
	There's no spoiler.
	There's no spoilers.
	You know the context of it.
	You ruined it.
	I can't watch it now.
	He's a munch.
	There's no spoiler then.
	Nickelodeon donated $25.
	Brixon, I'm not fucking French.
	If I were, I wouldn't have roasted Jojo.
	I'd have told you your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries.
	Elderberries.
	Elderberries.
	Okay.
	Hold on.
	Okay, that's true.
	My mom is a hamster.
	Wait, hold on, guys.
	Wait, shit, what was I?
	I still needed to change something.
	Oh, wait.
	One sec, guys.
	I'm just fixing a couple things here.
	In the okay, it should.
	Everything should be properly fully set to $25 TTS.
	So, any final thoughts from anybody?
	Is this like the roast session?
	She has some final thoughts for you.
	Oh, she does?
	Who's finaling Thawing?
	As I was being.
	You have a final thought?
	I don't have anything super deep, but I don't think any of us are really truly angry at anything.
	Yeah, I don't think there's any animosity on this panel.
	We're way too chill.
	Also, I didn't really know.
	It's valid.
	Let's actually ask you to get away from that.
	Does pineapple belong on points, sir?
	Yo, what's up?
	That's crazy.
	I'm always on point.
	No, that's disgusting.
	Yeah, that is atrocious.
	I think so.
	Pineapple and pizza is amazing.
	Pineapple ever donated 25.
	Pineapple and pizza is amazing.
	Maddie is queen.
	This has actually been a decent panel.
	Second chair was bad faith a few times, but I really enjoyed this one.
	Bricks and you, the man holding your own.
	The patriarchy lives.
	Are we gonna get a rating?
	Because last time I was here, they gave me Canadian A Cups, but they didn't give me a number.
	So, we need Maddie Roasts.
	We need Maddie Roasts, and then we need Sprinkle.
	We need at least one sprinkler.
	Just throwing it out there, boys.
	Excuse me, boys.
	Shniko 04 donated $25.
	Disappointed with Natalie's lack of engagement all night.
	Just sitting there dear in headlights all night.
	Cheer some of your strong morals and engage with these trumpets.
	Tom Jones donated $25.
	Drizzle Trizzle, I agree with Brian.
	Not only should you pay for the first date, but also all dates.
	True.
	Drizzle Drizzle.
	True, true.
	So true.
	Thank you, Tom Jones.
	Well put.
	I think women should pay for all dates.
	Natalie, you would have been very good on Sundays.
	Illinois boy donated $25.
	I know brown shirt left, but this Christians can't judge thing as in sanity.
	In Matthew 7:5, Jesus says to check your own sin before confronting others.
	Christians can judge righteously.
	And we had seeking the truth donated $25.
	Nicolette, I get $1K for dinner.
	Right.
	I have a bridge to sell you.
	There's no fucking way that even the simp of all simps would pay you $1K to have dinner.
	Enough with the TikTok sugar baby crap.
	More 85 donated $25.
	Ronald Reagan was said solders when the diet give up two lives, one they lived and the one they could have had.
	Becoming husbands, fathers, and grandfathers.
	All right, thank you, James.
	Well, Paladins donated $25.
	The money I contribute is money I would have spent on 304s in person.
	Thanks for keeping me free of SDDS Berkson.
	I'm saving lives, okay?
	I am saving lives.
	These men, you know, you could spend it on a stream.
	Dial Edino 430 donated $25.
	The women that come on this show need to stop saying they don't gaff about whether or not a man is genitally mutilated or not.
	You should care.
	Especially with the standards you all expect from men.
	Wait, so do you mean they should care about circumcision?
	Did anyone hear?
	Rain underscore has underscore that underscore fat underscore dumpy donated $25.
	The lawn mower goes show she is like this there you go.
	Can you show us the dumpy while we wait?
	After the day.
	Do a spin.
	OOTD.
	That was good.
	Oh, nobody did the okay.
	Sorry, we missed it, boys.
	They're trying to catch peep.
	But don't don't.
	Oh, God.
	Trying to get up all the thing in them.
	They said that you had it.
	I was just confirming.
	No, they said it said Brian has a dumpy.
	That was the name.
	Yeah, I don't know what's going on with that.
	It's kind of crazy.
	I just wanted to make sure.
	I don't know.
	Wait, somebody sent me a message that I was supposed to read.
	And hold on, guys.
	I'm trying to find it.
	Somebody sent me like a DM.
	Wait, one sec.
	Wait, what?
	Should be good.
	I think we're good.
	Right?
	Big Laby Matters.
	Don't show that dumpy for free.
	Yo, hashtag Big Laby Matters.
	It's really good.
	Illinois boy donated $25.
	Brian, how much dollar do Gustavo's kidnappers want?
	I'll pay his ransom if it means we can get his critical and deep-sighted wisdom and advice back on the show.
	Yeah, huge, right?
	Up PR Aquatic donated $25.
	For the panel, do you think you will look better in 10 years?
	No.
	Do you think you'll look better?
	No, no.
	I do.
	I think women peak in their 30s.
	Songs on Liberty donated $25.
	Natalie, Steve is a martyr of a tyrannical abuse of power.
	Trump as well.
	Supremes must intercede.
	The House Sergeant at Arms needs to arrest Garland.
	Keep up the fight.
	Yes.
	Hmm.
	Read it, Madison.
	Madison OF proves to me that women are never happy no matter what a man does or earns.
	It is never enough for any woman.
	I don't have an OnlyFans.
	I was about to ask you, Damn, give me the link.
	That's crazy.
	I need the link.
	That's crazy, son.
	What was the other thing?
	There was one other.
	Oh, the bumble segment.
	Yeah, let's do the bumble segment and then we're gonna wrap.
	I know it's late, Natalie.
	I know it's late here.
	Let's get Natalie some applesauce.
	Get her some applesauce.
	Are we swiping on my side?
	It's okay.
	It's organic.
	Yeah.
	Oh, fuck.
	Okay, well, this is it, and then we're wrapping.
	Okay.
	So everyone gets 20 swipes.
	Just say yes or no if you would go on the date.
	Oh, we need gate rangers.
	P.R. Aquatic donated $25.
	Oh, you have hers?
	Nicolette, you're already melting in AC, so I don't if you will, but okay, keep be delusional.
	Wait, so that's actually an interesting question.
	I'll let these chats come through, but like, do you think you'll be better looking?
	Trad Catholic Spot donated $25.
	This is one of the least brain-hemoraging panels I've witnessed.
	Great job.
	Natalie, how dare you not destroy them better than Ben Shapiro destroys college freshman?
	Have a great night.
	You know, Aave Maria.
	People call me fanboy Ben Shapiro.
	$6,969 blah blah blah.
	$69 donated $25.
	Brian, you fat fuck, you never eat my dollar last episode.
	How dare you not respect the $69?
	I made it on the top Donno list.
	Yeah, thank you, bro.
	Get your dumpy fat fucking ass in shape, Tita boy.
	I'm working on it.
	And shave your damn out.
	I'm working on it, boys.
	Anonymous donated $25.
	I can't tell you how much I truly grew because of this podcast.
	Feminism is truly poisoning, and I'm glad that I woke up and saw that before it was too late.
	Thank you, Brian.
	Cartman donated $25.
	I wish I had no idea where my money came from.
	It's just there.
	I need to stop pretending that no guy paid attention to me in high school.
	Gingers have no souls.
	I have proved.
	Hey, bro, that's crazy.
	How are you gonna throw it?
	Brian Callaway donated $25.
	Abigail, I hope you realized Brixon apologized to you earlier.
	I hope to see more of you on whatever.
	You're the most solid and based Christian woman on the show.
	Great panel tonight.
	You rock Brixon.
	But thank you.
	I appreciate the rest.
	Me and Abigail, I don't think, had any beef or anything, so cool.
	Yeah, we're.
	Yeah.
	Unless there's dead ass.
	Dead ass.
	No, that's what dead ass.
	Dead ass.
	Are you going to ask us when the World Wars were?
	Oh, yes, Skyray donated $25.
	Oh.
	Soaking is real.
	I saw it on the hub.
	Girl to the right of Brian is a fuking queen Brian.
	If you loved Jesus, you'd be the perfect husband.
	Heart, I love you so much.
	Also, not gay.
	I'm a girl lol Wait, to the right Ron underscore Briggs donated $25 Where was Andrew tonight though?
	I feel like he would have had a blast with a few of these panelists I wonder who The only roast for Maddie is how happy she was playing with the Electric Corps Power.
	Ha ha.
	It's really good.
	Dialed in 0430 donated $25.
	Yes, Brian.
	Especially if they've never had a mad that could make the mo more likely to climax from an uncut man.
	I haven't heard of that.
	They also need to stop with the what about men when women are being held to account.
	I'm going to temporarily pause the TTS.
	They will come through eventually.
	I just want to pause it just to get through a couple segments here.
	So Andrew's actually squared off with you twice, right?
	Or just once.
	Oh, just one time?
	Okay.
	Yeah, so you can go back, watch the.
	Was it the first time or second time you were on?
	First, first.
	First time you squared up with Andrew.
	You want to know the most memorable moment?
	I was going to bring it up.
	Was what?
	He said, you deserve a treat because you're a good girl.
	You should clip that.
	No, people should.
	People watched back to the game.
	Did you get excited?
	No, I thought that was weird.
	I was like, whoa.
	I said, what?
	He's like, go complain to your feminist friends.
	He said right after.
	I was like, whoa.
	She did.
	I don't even remember.
	I don't even remember.
	Yeah, at the very end, as they were walking off for everything, he was like, you know what?
	You deserve a treat for being a good girl.
	So Natalie really wants me to ask this question.
	When was World War I?
	1914 and 1918.
	She did a research.
	When was World War II?
	September 15th.
	1st, 1939.
	1945.
	Hold on.
	Can you tell us when it's for World War I?
	You want the actual dates?
	Yeah, the actual dates.
	Oh, I already got the years.
	I don't know the dates.
	Sure.
	You want access and the dates for World War I?
	Sheesh.
	Give me the year of the Vietnam War.
	Yeah.
	It's July 28th and November 11th.
	For the Vietnam War?
	I'm talking World War I.
	Well, Vietnamese war.
	Can you do Vietnam, though?
	Vietnamese war.
	Can you do the 100 years war?
	No, Vietnam War.
	Oh, what dates?
	Can you do the 100 years war?
	Yeah, I can.
	When U.S. was in Vietnam, what years is that?
	It was in the 70s.
	I don't know.
	1955 to the 1970s.
	Yeah.
	1975.
	20 years.
	Listen, we may have been awaiting all night, but we were also on the internet all night.
	Hey, that was also released 2004.
	Thank you.
	World of Warcraft.
	2004.
	I'm proud of you.
	I'm proud of you.
	Well done.
	Jeez.
	Don't let these two come in.
	PR Aquatic donated $25.
	The girl next to Jojo, do you use a credit card to pay for everything, like dates and your Mercedes SUV?
	Uh, no.
	Oh, yeah.
	Okay.
	Old Man Maureen donated $25.
	How did you miss most of the show?
	My apologies, Brian, trying to date again.
	I'll go back and try and watch it, though.
	Okay.
	Hoping Lattile spits some fire tonight.
	All right, Old Man Maureen.
	Thank you, man.
	All right, let's get through this bumble section, and then we're going to wrap up the show.
	I pause the TTS just for us to get through the bumble segment, and then we'll wrap up the show.
	So go ahead, Nick.
	So you get 20 swipes.
	You ready?
	Oh, God.
	No.
	No.
	Look at that cake, though.
	No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
	no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no No, I think we should just be their profiles, though, we're just seeing pictures.
	But if your profile pulls you in, you get just one impression.
	How many is that?
	Are we keeping 49?
	Thank God.
	Okay.
	No, you're keep going.
	Oh, my God.
	She's not going to say yes.
	No?
	No.
	Really?
	No.
	Are you just saying no to say no?
	No, no, no.
	She's actually being serious for now.
	We'll go to 50 and then guy that's in like dude don't raise blocks.
	That's what I thought.
	No.
	No.
	Kirby.
	No.
	One of them.
	He's hard to see.
	Just one.
	I feel like you're saying no before it even shows up.
	No, she's.
	Yeah, we're only gonna have ugly guys to choose from now.
	She got all the good ones.
	Skip through all the good ones.
	050, so she finds less than 1% of men.
	That's not some of them were like covering their faces and stuff.
	If they were in group pictures, we didn't know who was who.
	All right, you're way too picky.
	Go ahead.
	We're gonna do you next.
	We need her age range.
	Yeah.
	Oh, age range of guys you would date?
	What was yours, too?
	I said 21 to 30, but go ahead.
	Stick with that.
	That's what mine is now, I think.
	Okay, go ahead, Nick.
	Oh, I guess we just keep it as is, yeah.
	No.
	Whoa.
	Yes.
	No.
	No.
	I don't even know who that is.
	No.
	No, no, no.
	Yes.
	Yeah, we know her type.
	Yes.
	Yep.
	No.
	No.
	He looks kind of pretty.
	Yes.
	Whoa.
	Yeah.
	No.
	She's like, save that one for later.
	No.
	Find me that guy.
	No.
	You want to send me the screenshot of that profile?
	No, no, no No.
	Unfortunately, yeah.
	Yeah.
	You can't say yes to those because I did.
	She said no.
	I did.
	That's 20.
	Nicola.
	Your age range?
	26 to 45.
	No.
	No.
	Yes.
	no no no no no no no sure No. No. No. No. No.
	Yes.
	Whoa.
	No.
	No.
	What the hell?
	Yes.
	That looked like essay.
	um like 25 to 30 I don't know who he is.
	Just pick the hottest guy in anything.
	Both no.
	Both no.
	No.
	No.
	Yeah.
	Damn it.
	No.
	No.
	Yeah.
	No.
	That's Dendro.
	Shut up.
	No.
	No.
	I can't even see him.
	Dog, what the hell is this question?
	No.
	No.
	I see too much of him.
	No, no, no, no, I'm going to skip, but yeah.
	Let's go 23 to 40.
	Is that too big?
	Would you date like a 40 girl?
	Yeah, then that's fine.
	No, I can't see him.
	Yeah.
	Ew.
	No.
	Sorry.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Really?
	No.
	You're such a good one.
	No.
	No.
	Nope.
	No. No. No. No. No. No.
	Yes.
	No?
	Yes?
	No.
	Yes?
	Do you two want to do that?
	Out of respect for my husband, I'm going to have to pass.
	Like 30 to 45.
	45, she said?
	Yeah, she said 30, 45.
	Yeah, damn.
	No, no, no, no, no, no, I don't know.
	Ew.
	Caught a string.
	That was kind of attractive.
	No.
	Definitely not.
	Oh, it's Jesus.
	Jesus.
	No.
	Uh, yeah.
	No.
	Ew, no. No. No. No. No. No.
	Was that an old nose?
	No, there was a yes.
	There was a couple yeses.
	There was one or two.
	There's just watching.
	You think any of these guys watch the pun and they're like, damn.
	It's impossible.
	It always gets back to you.
	Damn.
	Picky over here.
	No, it's just, that's why I don't date, you know.
	I just get anxious.
	It does not have to do with anything.
	It has to do with everything.
	Don't worry about it.
	You can't pick them if you don't like them.
	You're too anxious to meet up with them.
	Because I'll think about it for like three seconds and then like.
	Do you want to review her dating app?
	Don't you have a dating app?
	Yeah, I don't go on.
	Is that what you do on your dating app?
	No, no, I don't go.
	Oh, that's my favorite drinking game.
	My favorite drinking game is to swipe it on.
	I don't go on it.
	I downloaded it for a day and then I did it for a day and then I just don't go.
	No, I don't go on it.
	I don't go on on it.
	I don't go on it.
	Y'all way too picky.
	How am I picky if I don't go?
	That's not necessarily true.
	You showed us 20 men.
	Like you can swipe all day long.
	Okay, so final question going around the table.
	Do you think you'll be better looking?
	Do you think you're better looking now or will you be better looking in 10 years time?
	Depends where technology goes.
	Let's assume it's a little bit more difficult.
	How many Botox can I get?
	How much Botox can I get?
	Yeah.
	I hope so.
	Okay, but that doesn't answer the question.
	Then yes.
	So at 31, you'll be better looking than you are now at 21?
	31's cool.
	I think it's gonna make more sense for me, yeah.
	I think you'll get better.
	That doesn't make sense.
	It makes sense to me.
	Okay, what about what about 41?
	No, not 31.
	I think so, yes.
	So you're 24, you'll be better looking at 34 than you are now at 24.
	Yes.
	Okay, what about 44?
	No.
	Okay, what about you?
	Right now, for me.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Right now, for sure.
	Okay.
	I'm already rankly.
	Yeah, no.
	No.
	I think.
	So better looking now.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Better looking now.
	Better looking now?
	No.
	All right, cool.
	All right, guys, we're going to let these last few messages come through and then we're going to wrap up the show.
	I'll do a Twitch raid.
	Natalie wins donated $25.
	Natalie will handle Steve's podcast just fine.
	Send my regards to Steve.
	Thank you.
	Total bullshit.
	We only have a few more months till this shit ends.
	Illinois boy donated $25.
	My Rofelcopter goes soy soy soy soy soy soy soy soy soy soy soy soy soy soy soy soy soy soy Thank you, Illinois boy I appreciate it.
	Up PR Aquatic donated $25.
	Brian, do a poll in chat to see if your viewers actually want to see the bumble section because most of them seem like they don't want to see it.
	Start.
	I think it's interesting, but Old Man Marine donated $25.
	Starting from blue top with really nice cleavage.
	Thank BTW.
	Yes?
	No.
	Heck no.
	Nah.
	Yes.
	A yes.
	No.
	Yes.
	Yes.
	And sure, why not?
	Lukewarm donated $25.
	Brian with beard equals Hagrid from Harry Potter.
	Brian without beard equals year one.
	Harry Potter from Harry Potter win guardian.
	Lee Viroastia.
	I have no idea what that means, but any plans for Chase in the future, Brian?
	Natalie, fuck the haters.
	I loved your presence here.
	Keep fighting the good fight.
	Uh, if he wants to come back to the bottom of the bank, Burning Bush donated $25.
	What's up, Brian?
	First time chatting.
	Thank you, Bernie.
	Been a huge fan for the last year.
	Thank you.
	Keep killing it.
	BTW, I'm the one who said I'd die for Jojo.
	I'd literally get on my knees and bark like a dog for you.
	Mail sign.
	Bucky Larson donated $40.
	Brian, I come home from working in a 100-degree auto factory and I see Nicolette the Strumpet.
	Also, let me know if you want me to send you a drug test kit for the Canadian.
	Dialed in 0430 donated $25.
	Sex and Circumcision, an American love story by Eric Klopper is a bulletproof case against.
	Two hours long and available on YouTube RN.
	Educate yourselves and make zur you never essay your future male infants.
	Hmm.
	Yeah, I'm against circumcision, so uh, yeah, bad, bad.
	So, uh, also, Sean Erickson, you sent in.
	Uh, here's what I'm gonna do: I'm gonna put that on pause.
	I'll get through the outro.
	Sean Erickson, you did send me a message.
	I did want to read it because it was interesting.
	Directed to the brunette in the blue, who will not give up her indoctrination.
	He says, I can tell you, having spent 13 straight hours in heavy combat, there's not one woman dead on the battlefield or in this village.
	I lost a few friends and about 130 enemy combatants scattered around, either blown up by explosives, almost cut in half by machine gun, fireheads blowing off limbs, blowing off.
	You live in the first world and have no idea what a bear or what a combat would look like.
	Where does he live?
	Where does he live?
	I have no idea.
	I'm assuming the United States, but he was overseas somewhere for combat things.
	So, boom, roasted.
	Checkmate, bones, destroyed, wrecked.
	Okay, cool.
	We're gonna do, Nick, we're gonna do raid.
	Thank you guys, everybody, for watching.
	Be sure to hold on one sec.
	Let me get that pulled up.
	GG, well played to the panel.
	Last call, hit the like button, please, on your way out.
	Thank you for tuning in tonight.
	You could have been anywhere in the world, but you're here with me.
	I appreciate that.
	Thank you to everyone who super chats.
	Donate, supports the show.
	Really appreciate it.
	We'll be live again Sunday unless we do a test stream on Twitch.
	Speaking of which, Nick, could you pull up Twitch really quick?
	Guys, go to twitch.tv/slash whatever.
	Drop us a follow in the Prime sub if you have one.
	Twitch.tv/slash whatever.
	Drop us a follow in the Prime sub if you want one.
	Guys, it's been almost an hour since Prime Sub's come in.
	I think it's broken.
	I think our Twitch account, it's bugged.
	It's broken.
	Can you get somebody just check and see if a Prime can come in?
	And also, guys, drop us a follow on the Prime Sub.
	Maddie's going to be doing exclusive streams.
	We're going to be starting doing IRL stuff on Twitch, exclusive, bringing the whatever podcast to the street.
	So we need you guys to go over there and follow Sage.
	Thank you for the Prime.
	Appreciate it.
	Lastly, okay, any girls who want to be on the show, DM out whatever on Instagram.
	If you can make it to Santa Barbara, I'm going to do a Twitch raid.
	Give me just a moment to do that.
	Nick, if you can get who are we going to raid on Twitch?
	We could do Wo Grandma.
	She's online.
	S Fand.
	Hmm.
	we've been doing well grandma a lot uh let's just do let's do well grandma All right, guys.
	She's like 82.
	She plays World of Warcraft.
	She's playing World of Warcraft retail.
	We're going to do a raid.
	Be nice to her.
	And Nick, just get that pulled up, and then we'll do a raid over there on Twitch.
	Yes.
	And give us one sec, guys.
	We're going to send you guys over to her in just a moment.
	I love her.
	82, still going strong.
	All right.
	Thank you guys for watching on Twitch.
	Really appreciate it.
	I'm sending out the raid to her now.
	Thank you guys for tuning in on Twitch.
	Drop us a follow in the Prime sub before I send you guys over.
	But yeah, thank you guys for watching on Twitch.
	Hope you guys enjoy the rest of your night.
	Thank you guys.
	All right, that should be sent.
	What is she?
	She's playing.
	She's flying around.
	Look at this.
	I can't wait to see it.
	She's playing retail.
	She's playing.
	I'm so excited to get him out.
	I don't, I don't, honestly, I'm more of a classic Andy.
	We're playing classic cattle right now.
	I don't even fuck with Kata.
	And you can go to the era all day, every day.
	Whatever is raiding.
	Yo, what's up, Woe Grandma?
	Welcome again, whatever.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	That's sweet.
	Thank you, Woe Grandma.
	That's cute.
	Thank you, Woo Grandma.
	Her mouse?
	Yeah, you see that there's like a trail?
	She's cooking right now.
	Oh, yeah, that's cool.
	That's cool.
	Anyways, so cool.
	We got that raid going off.
	You can exile that.
	There's one chat that came in, and then we'll wrap.
	Charlie Tanner donated $50.
	I would like to help if I can beyond donations.
	This is Robert Charlie Tanler.
	Let me know.
	Let me know if I could reach out.
	This is the guy working 20 hours.
	So still on.
	What do you do for work, man?
	You're welcome to shoot the whatever Instagram a DM.
	And, you know, we can see.
	But let me see if there's anything else.
	I think we're all good.
	I think we got through pretty much everything.
	Call to action here at the end of the show.
	Are you willing to stop your OnlyFans?
	I want to make enough money to a normal job.
	Yeah.
	Why do you need to make enough money to get a normal job?
	To replace the money that I'm making at OnlyFans.
	Well, what if you didn't, but you still disleted it anyway?
	Captain 501SD donated $25.
	It's now my b-day, but I wanted to donate for the first time.
	Thank you, man.
	Appreciate the first time donation.
	Are you willing to stop your OnlyFans?
	For what?
	For your soul.
	Yeah.
	Is that bad thing?
	No.
	Okay.
	Well, with that said, I tried, boys.
	I tried.
	I tried to, you know, call to action.
	It was a token attempt.
	Anyways, thank you guys for tuning in.
	07s in the chat.
	07s in the chat.
	I hope you guys have a great night.
	Thank you for tuning in.
	And we will see you guys Sunday.

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