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3 RUDE FERAL GIRLS KICKED OUT?! 1 RAGE QUIT?! Andrew Wilson! DEMON Feminist?! | Dating Talk #153

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With that said, and without further ado, we're going to have the guests introduce themselves.
So please tell us your name, age, location, and occupation.
Go ahead.
Hi, I'm Alien.
I'm 25, and I'm also from Arizona.
I work at Amazon.
I work underneath my mom for OMG Sweet Shop.
And then I also have a podcast with my best friend for music.
What's your government name?
Do I have to say it?
Do you go by like a nickname that's not alien?
I can give you a hint.
Is it just not out there?
Your actual name or even?
I feel like if I tell you my name is just sabotaging me.
And you're also not going to think it's real.
Is it Gertrude?
Gertrude.
I'm just going to call you Gertrude the rest of the show then.
Okay, what about you?
My name is Jaden.
I am from Arizona.
I'm 24 years old.
And I'm a singer-songwriter as well as a photographer.
I like to build things and I am also a bartender server.
All right, welcome.
What about you?
My name is Tara.
I'm 23 years old.
I am from Canada and I'm a freelancer.
What part of Canada?
Ontario.
Is that the French-speaking part?
No, that's Quebec.
Okay.
What kind of freelancing?
I'm on Upwork.
I just like help Amazon.
Oh, okay.
We might need poster checks from you when you're speaking to the mic, but go ahead.
My name is Lindsey Graham.
I'm from Arizona.
I'm 43 years old.
I am a wife, a mom of three, a keynote speaker, an author, and I own a fashion brand called Pretty Little Patriot with this hot little thing over here in pink.
Pink.
All right, welcome.
My name is Madeline.
I'm 21.
I also live in Arizona.
Currently, I'm a server, but I also do photography and yeah, some freelance stuff.
But yeah.
My name is Kendall.
I'm from Kentucky.
I'm 37.
I am a wife, a mom of three, a political activist, and I own Pretty Little Patriot with Lindsay.
All right, welcome.
Thank you.
My name is Ivory Amora.
I am 24 years old.
I am a social media manager.
And yeah, that's it.
Where are you from?
Oh, that's the one I forgot.
Chandler, Arizona.
I knew it.
We all knew it.
Everyone's from Arizona.
Yeah, I know.
Wait, actually, everybody is from Arizona.
Everyone besides you is from Arizona.
Yeah, I'm Kentucky.
Don't forget Kentucky.
You're Kentucky.
So everyone else besides school.
I've never been in Arizona.
We discovered this outside that we're all, they drove through.
Guys, we're coming to you live from Flagstaff, Arizona.
Whatever's on the road.
Yeah, we're on the road.
We could have all carpeted.
My name is Andrew Wilson.
I'm the host of The Crucible.
It's the fastest-growing debate channel on YouTube, to my knowledge.
I'm a blood sport debater, political commentator, and I do also a lot of political satire.
And I'm from Michigan.
All right.
Welcome, everybody.
So we're going to go around the table once more.
What is everybody's current relationship status?
So are you single, talking stage, situationship, friends with benefits, relationship, married, polycule, sex cult, whatever it may be?
If you're single, how long have you been single?
And what's the longest relationship you've ever had?
Go ahead.
So technically I'm single, but I'm also dating a tree.
Yeah.
A tree.
A tree.
Did you boost the audio?
What does that mean?
A tree?
There's just a big tree.
Is this consensual?
Yeah.
And we're talking about the trees.
What type of trees?
What's tree's government name?
I don't know what type of title.
There's a philia for that, isn't there?
What is it called?
I'm waiting for someone to tell me his name.
No, no, there's an actual.
I don't remember what it is.
I feel like there's a single beam.
But there's a philia for tree.
What kind of tree?
Like physical.
One mic at a time, please.
What kind of tree?
I don't know.
I have no idea what he is.
You have to learn more about him and then your internet with her.
Give him like little kisses.
You said it was a he.
How do you know the gender of the tree?
I believe most trees are at least in the future.
I guess actually, yeah, there are male and female trees, actually.
Fruit trees are female trees.
They're depollinators, and male trees are pollinators.
Are you certain that it's like, what if it identifies as a they, though?
That's a great, that's a valid question.
You know, I don't know.
I don't know.
And do you have like a physical relationship with the tree?
Like, I give him kisses.
Like, I kiss my hand, and then I press it on him.
Are you being serious right now?
I am so deadass.
I believe you are not.
You are talking like a guy to go like see this tree with me.
You took another guy to see your tree?
How did the tree feel about that?
Yeah.
I think that's inappropriate.
I didn't introduce him as, like, I'm hanging out with this guy.
I think the tree is jealous.
And I think the tree is jealous.
We're going to get into this.
This is juicy.
Juicy stuff.
How did you get into that?
I just like nature.
So to me, it's just like, I saw him down the tree.
I was like, damn, he looks really pretty.
How soon is it?
How early can we walk out of this podcast?
Yeah.
I'm just being deadass with you guys, by the way.
What is deadass?
And what is serious?
I get it.
What is the future of you and this?
Like, what do you hope to accomplish with that?
I'm probably going to have to break up with him soon because I'm going to be moving.
So we're in a new tree.
It's a relief.
Plenty of fish in the sea.
Plenty of trees in the forest.
Trees in the forest.
Yeah, plenty of fish in the sea, plenty of trees in the forest.
I mean, I'm not looking for specifically trees, but I just knew him and I thought, like I said, he was pretty.
So I was like, that's my babe.
And it's fulfilling.
And I felt like he connected with me as well.
That's interesting.
I do feel like I look around and see a lot of pretty trees.
And I agree, like, super pretty, but I would never.
Are you happy?
I am, yeah.
Can we chat?
Bro, you guys are enabling this fucking illusion of it.
I wouldn't do it, but this is the most retarded.
I'm sorry, bro.
Stop asking your dumbass fucking questions.
Oh, let me actually engage with you in good faith.
I thought he liked the connection.
The whole tree shit's fucking bullshit.
Well, you're all about good faith.
What?
She's bad faith.
I think Gertrude knows that we know that she's a fan of the family.
Okay, hold on, hold on.
Okay, have you had carnal knowledge with the tree?
You just said stop asking about a new question.
Can you explain that?
But like, have you?
Did you fuck the tree?
Did you fuck the tree?
No, not yet.
But maybe one day.
How would that work?
I don't know.
We'll figure it out.
Carvalho.
I haven't gone that far.
You can get staff on your pussy.
I don't know.
As long as you're happy, I feel like.
No, absolutely not.
No, this is right.
I gotta say, like, this is, I can't sit here.
This is not right.
Like, I truly don't think that she wants to marry a tree.
I'm pretty sure trees can't consider.
There is a lot.
Well, one, trees, there is a science behind plants that they do, they can see and feel when there's a person around them.
You're a fucking predator.
I believe that she's just saying that she likes the tree and she speaks with the tree.
I don't think she feels.
No, I like a tree.
She's saying she's in a relationship with this tree.
Yeah, and then she said her relationship with her.
Did you specify romantic relationships?
A relationship with a tree, regardless of romantic or not.
I'm dating.
Yo, guys, one mic at a time.
They can't hear the crosstalk.
Go ahead.
The question was: what is your relationship status?
And the response was, I'm dating the tree.
She said, I'm technically single, but I also have a tree nearby down the street from my house.
Is it decidious or coniferous?
I don't know.
Amateur.
I would like to move on to some real relationships if possible.
Okay, so you're single then.
Sure.
Okay, what's your dating status with Homo sapiens?
Homo sapiens?
Yeah, it's single.
Yeah.
Okay.
How long have you been single?
All of my life, so 25 years.
So you're a virgin?
No.
Okay, so you've had some sexual relationships.
But it's not dating.
What's the longest consecutive period of time that you've dated somebody?
It's going to be like fucking pulling teeth tonight, dude.
Holy fuck.
This commenter, though, he says.
He says the frogs are gay and the women are humping the trees.
I just couldn't.
Did you pull it in the office?
It was.
You could pull it up since Andrew's.
It's top cold.
All right.
Andrew, did you see the treesome?
She brought a guy to the trees with a treesome.
That was pretty clever.
That's the dumbest shit I've ever heard in my life.
I'm dating a tree.
I'm dirty this microphone.
What else have you dated?
I mean, your mouth's pretty close.
Nothing really.
I have like children.
I have like little, like a bunch of like teddy bears.
Okay, hold on.
Stop.
Human children?
How long have you consecutively dated a human?
It wasn't really like dating.
It was like a situation shit.
Okay, how long were you having sexual intercourse with a person?
Oh, I don't know, like six months.
Six months.
Okay, so that's the longest romantic situation you've had with somebody.
Okay.
And you said you've been, so you, when's the last time you've had anything with somebody?
Do I, do I?
Are you currently having sex with somebody?
I plead the fifth.
We don't have to tell them who it is.
You plead the fifth.
Yeah, because like I said.
So you're currently romantically involved with somebody then.
Maybe.
Perhaps.
Bro, I'm fucking kicking you off the show.
Engage in fucking good faith, please.
You're not going to plead the fifth to a basic question about your romantic dating life on a dating podcast.
You requested to be on the show.
kindly answer the question.
I do, yeah, but like do I have to talk about...
You don't need to tell us the details, bro.
Like, it doesn't have to be like a drink.
Are you currently dating a guy?
That's the extent of my flock.
I've hung out with a couple people.
Okay, you're currently dating multiple people.
Maybe.
Okay, so these aren't gotchas.
I don't see them as that because to me, I just.
I see.
So it's a world view thing.
Yeah.
Okay.
Are you having intimate relationships with human beings that could be considered sexual by normal people?
Yeah.
Okay.
Andrew, thank you so much.
You're cheating on me.
Thank you.
Yeah, man's planning.
Man's planning.
I didn't get answered.
Thank you.
What about you?
I am in a relationship and I've been in a relationship for almost three years and it is my longest relationship by a month.
How did you guys meet?
We met.
I was on Tinder looking for friends because I had a bad friend and then I met my new life partner.
Yeah.
You never know?
There's a bumble friends page.
I assume everybody looking for friends on Tinder is cheating.
Just I think I got it.
Interesting.
Not everyone.
So you guys met me.
I met on Tinder.
Yeah.
What about you?
I'm single.
My longest relationship was two years.
And the last, sorry.
I'm single, the longest relationship I had was two years.
And the last time I did anything was October.
Like the situationship, whatever.
So you've been single for about six, seven months?
Yeah.
Okay.
When you said the last time you did something, does that situationship.
What does that mean?
I'm like, I'm so old.
I'm older than everybody here.
Okay.
So you've been celib, or have you been celibate for six to seven months?
Yeah.
Celibate means no sex, right?
Yeah.
Yeah.
No carnal knowledge.
Yeah.
Okay.
I've been happily married for 12 years.
So simple, guys.
That's it.
Sorry.
Boring.
Married 12.
I assume that's your longest relationship?
It is, yes.
Okay, married 12 years.
Is that your first marriage?
It is not my first marriage, no.
Second marriage?
Second.
Second.
And last, hopefully.
And last.
Okay.
Till death to us part.
I mean, 12 years is pretty strong.
That's pretty good.
On a roll.
And I'm in a relationship.
I've been in it for three years, and it's my longest relationship.
Are you two dating?
Yes.
Yes.
Okay.
I just wanted to clarify.
I feel like you guys should let them know.
Yeah.
Are you guys bisexual or lesbian?
Honestly, she's the first woman I've dated, and she's just my life partner.
We're not really sexually intimate like that.
We just have complementing characteristics.
Say your roommates.
No, we share a bed and we cuddle and we kiss, but we don't involve each other.
We don't do sex.
I am so intrigued.
I'm very intrigued.
This is going to be the best podcast ever.
So, a couple clarifying questions.
A couple clarifying questions here.
So, have you ever dated men?
Yes.
Have you dated men?
Yes.
So you guys consider yourselves bisexual then?
In a sense.
By romantic.
But currently, I'm not sexual.
I'm not.
Neither of you are sexual.
Yes.
But you guys have said that you've been dating for three years?
Three years.
Have you been exclusively monogamous?
Dating each other for three years.
Correct.
There's been no other women or no other men in that three-year time period.
Correct.
That's what that means.
And you guys cohabitate, you live together?
Yes.
Okay.
Have you guys ever seen?
In the same room, in the same bed.
You guys never had.
Have you guys ever had sex?
We have.
And we, honestly, anytime I've ever had sex in my life, it doesn't feel that great to me because that's, one, I'm not married and I'm a Christian, and that's not how I be rolling.
Okay.
And then, so you guys are, are you guys going to get married?
Hopefully.
We would like to.
In heresy church land?
Yeah.
I actually know lots of pastors.
Sorry, they're not Orthodox, so they don't follow your exact beliefs.
But if God came to us and actually gave me a convicting feeling, I would, and we knew that God does not want us to be together.
We've been blessed so much in our relationship.
We have to be together, honestly.
And I mean, as much as each of us had our, you know, knowledge of God prior, we came closer to God and to Christ since being together.
And, you know, if as much as we love each other, if at the end of the day God didn't want us to be together and he brings us a husband and says, this is your husband, I'm obedient to my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
What are your thoughts on the fact that the Bible says that marriage is between a man and a woman?
Well, hang on.
We want to get through.
We'll see if we can get through the questions.
Oh, we're still doing introduction.
Sorry.
Sorry.
I do have answered for sure.
Following back up.
Yeah, we'll come back to that.
So, okay.
So, what about you?
I've been married for 14 years, and I was a virgin on our wedding night.
Married 14 years.
So, you got married at 23?
Yes.
23.
Okay.
I am single, and my longest relationship was five years, and I've been single for three years.
Wait, your longest relationship was five years.
You've been single for three years, but you're 23.
So this was like a.
Oh, 24.
For some reason, I put down 23.
So this was like kind of a high school relationship, the five-year one.
Correct.
Okay.
And that was a five-year relationship.
Yes.
Okay.
With, what's your orientation?
I'm straight.
Straight.
Okay.
All right.
Andrew, what about you?
Yeah, I've been married for 12 years, I think.
Okay.
Well then, where do we begin?
Okay.
Let's go back to this.
Let's go back to this previous conversation we were discussing.
So how do you reconcile the fact, or do you just decide to move off to your own interpretation that this is, I'm trying to figure out how to frame this for the purpose of TOS.
That Christianity is not approving of the type of lifestyle that you have.
That's my question.
Christianity is also not approving of the type of things you talk about on this podcast.
People having this hiccup culture.
God.
Is this a two-quo-quo?
Yeah.
Do you want to just answer the question, though?
What was your question again?
Yeah, so the question is, how do you reconcile it?
Even if assuming that everybody else around you is sinning, that in and of itself would not justify you.
I actually don't excuse that as sinning, but.
Right, that's my point.
As we don't have to reconcile that.
Well, I do believe that we're not in a wrong relationship.
This is the best relationship that I have ever been in.
I've been in seven relationships.
A lot of them were really bad.
Most of them were with men.
I actually didn't date any women until I dated her.
She pulled me out of really dark times, and I'm the best version I am because of her.
You could say we're like nuns together then.
I think it's really beautiful what you're saying.
Cuddle and make out and personally believe I believe Apostle Paul in Corinthians did.
He says that man.
He just says that man and woman and man will be aware of women.
Were you going to let me finish my work?
Stay with man or normal.
I think it's pretty rude that he also he also says no he hates us now because I don't I don't I I don't hate you.
I just, we're having a conversation.
But you interrupted, which automatically means you don't respect me.
Which means she doesn't respect me.
So anyway, back to this.
I don't respect you.
Good.
Then the feeling is mutual.
Go ahead.
Cool.
You're not a very godly man.
Yeah.
Well, I don't know.
I'm not the one making out with someone in the same sex in a bed.
We don't make out.
We don't make out.
We haven't came in.
You said you did.
You said you make out and cuddle in the same bed.
I said we kissed.
And we actually haven't even made, we haven't kissed once this.
So you're just fucking roommates.
That's what it is.
There's so much more that goes into that.
Anyways, what I was saying about Corinthians, thank you very much, is actually marriage, Apostle Paul believes everybody should stay single.
And if you want to get married, it's because you can't control yourself and your sexual desires.
And that is also what he means by submitting to each other because you are.
The human race is so disgusting and wild that we want to fuck everybody.
Watch!
So we need to what?
Not everybody wants to do that.
That's true.
Not everybody wants to do that.
The hookup culture, I'm generalizing like they do.
And I feel like it makes sense.
Wait, why is the human race disgusting?
Were those your words?
They definitely, when Jews and Gentiles, the Gentiles were not.
That's the state we're in right now.
Hookup culture.
Yeah, but how is this not perpetuating that same state of degeneration?
Anyways, marriage was only brought because men and women can't control themselves, so you need to pick one person.
Yeah, the opposite sex is what Paul said.
He said, you must take a wife.
You must take a wife.
To men, you must take a wife.
He specifically forbade man to lay with man a woman to lay with woman in Corinthians.
This is why I don't believe in that.
Can I ask you girls a question?
If you, let's say you cut the kissing out, Kendall and I are like, we're besties, man.
Like, we would love to do everything with each other all the time.
Well, and what?
What's stopping you guys from just being best friends if you thought that the Bible told you what Andrew is exactly saying?
That is to be man and woman.
Why couldn't you two just say, well, let's just stop kissing?
And then we're best friends.
And we are the best relationship ever.
But now our relationship is biblical.
What's to stop that?
That's kind of where we've been heading to.
And in that case, I would not be pursuing anybody else for the rest of my life.
Me as well.
And I mean, and I would not want, I wouldn't want to be pursued unless I literally knew God said this is your husband.
Why not just become a nun?
Yeah, would you consider yourself asexual?
I prefer not to have sex, so maybe.
Yeah, why not just be a nun?
I can be.
Is there something in your past that could be?
Because I'm not Catholic.
Is there something in your past that causes you to dislike sex?
I know that's personal.
I'm sorry, but.
No, that's okay.
Yes, I've been sexually assaulted on multiple accounts, but it didn't stop me from wanting a man when I was younger.
As I just got older, like graduating from high school, I just realized I didn't want those sexual connections.
And to me, since I have been sexually assaulted, and that is how I lost my hymen, so I know I can't get it back because somebody took it from me.
So in that case, your funny joke, remember?
It was a funny joke.
It wasn't.
It was.
It wasn't.
It was really a funny joke.
Because you're a man and you like to make jokes at the expense of other people's emotions.
Oh, okay.
I'm sorry.
What makes a joke funny?
Something that makes you laugh.
You're not funny.
And it made me laugh.
So it was funny.
To you.
Yeah.
Well, it made a lot of people laugh, huh?
Thousands upon thousands of people.
And it made thousands upon thousands of people angry.
I came here to tone police us.
Thank you so much.
I believe you're on this podcast just to insult women and not actually to learn anything about women.
You talk about how women don't want an average mediocre man or that men have such a hard time getting laid.
And maybe that's because your focus is on getting laid.
What?
Yeah.
Instead of dating.
I literally don't talk about any of that.
I don't know what you're talking about.
He does.
Oh, yeah.
How do you know?
Because I watched the podcast.
Just a second ago, you were attributing that to me.
So clearly you don't watch the podcast.
I do watch the podcast.
And why would you attribute that stuff to me?
She's referring to a comment you made in one of the episodes.
Which is.
It's probably like three episodes.
What's the comment?
I think, was it three episodes ago, maybe?
The hymen one?
I think so, right?
I saw it on TikTok.
Yeah, that was super funny.
To you.
Yeah, okay.
I don't remember the hymen thing.
Well, so we were talking about born-again virgin.
Yeah.
And this particular woman happened to be a person.
Which is a real thing.
Jesus classes the way you say that.
You happen to be a pornography.
Jesus wants you to be a lesbian.
So anyway, yes, the hymen comment, there's no born-again virgin, and she was an OnlyFans prostitute.
I watched the thing and you said, yeah, can you get your hymen back?
That's a lot different than do you know one in three women have been sexually assaulted?
Does that mean that one in three women have been sexually assaulted and that's what removed their hymen?
A lot of women have lost their hymen that way.
No, I don't think they have.
Actually, yes, they have.
Now they actually haven't.
You're lying through your teeth.
I'm not lying through your ass.
Yeah, you are.
What are the stats then for one in three women have been sexually assaulted?
She's a family from SA.
Go ahead, tell me.
She's a feminist.
I'm not a feminist.
You are a feminist because that's statistics.
No.
No, I'm really not a feminist.
I'm a feminist.
I'm not particularly inclined totally.
What's a hymen?
Hold on.
His joke?
I'm not a feminist.
His joke?
I don't think women should do whatever they want with their bodies.
I don't know.
I'm changing my statement.
Cool.
Hey, stop.
One person at a time.
But I don't think he should control everything.
Stop.
His joke had nothing to do with SA.
Yes, but it was insensitive to people who have been through SA.
But you don't understand because you're a man and you've literally never experienced the things that women experience.
This is a fallacy.
It can't be a fallacy.
It can't be SA.
It's a fallacy that you're a man and you don't know what women have experienced.
It's a fallacy to say that I'm not allowed to have an opinion because of my sex.
That's fallacious.
It is fallacious argumentation.
I can't have a position on something because you know what I do have.
You can have an opinion, but it doesn't mean it's facts.
It seems you put all your opinion as a factual statement.
Like I said, you're not going to have to do it.
Women lose their hymen through SAS.
I'm going to learn from you.
I'm going to be a little bit controversial here because I should be on like Team Woman, but I think it's not fair to be offended by a joke about Hyman when it wasn't your Hyman.
And it was a joke about...
He also proceeded to say women are funny and can never be funny, and that's why women didn't laugh at that joke.
And we know this is true because you're here tone policing and being a whine-ass about jokes.
I laugh all the time and I find people.
What do you laugh about?
Have men tell me I'm funny all the time.
The joke was about a prostitute, not a sexual assault victim.
And I hope I'm not hearing you say that she wasn't sexually assaulted, right?
This conversation is all over the fucking place.
No.
His joke had nothing to do with it.
Nothing to SA.
Agree.
So like your logic is not a very important thing.
That's not what I'm saying.
Hold on, stop interrupting.
Let me say one thing.
Let me say one thing.
Your logic here is a bit failing because you're reaching.
you're reaching for he made a joke about let's say he made a joke about sex And you're somehow coming to the conclusion, if you make a joke about sex or bodily anatomy, that that's somehow always going to be related to women who get essayed.
No.
Your logic is.
No, no, no.
It's the fact that it doesn't lead to one or the other.
No, no, it's the fact that you're talking about born-again Christians, and some women did not lose their virginity by having sex for pleasure.
And in that case, no, they cannot get their hymen back.
So that joke wasn't that much.
Actually, that makes it funnier.
So in both cases, in both cases, the joke works.
If you're saying, God made me a born-again virgin, okay?
Me asking, did God give you back your hymen, how in the world would that be offensive to SA victims or prostitutes?
Why would you say that to an SA victim?
He didn't.
She's reaching.
She has fucking interesting.
So my question is, why would that actually be offensive to one, though?
If you did say it to an SA victim, it actually would be offensive.
Why?
You didn't, so it's not the same.
Yeah, but why?
But you're not hearing me.
Because an SA victim.
Asking if God gave it back to you, how could that be offensive?
Because they didn't choose to have it taken away from you.
I get it, but what does that have to do with God giving it back to you?
I don't even think that's what I'm saying.
You don't understand why you're not kidding.
These men also don't believe women.
You say the joke directly to her, so that's not the situation.
But if you did say it in a way that's not a problem, it wasn't even about SA at all.
I don't even feel like it's worth engaging on their level because your joke wasn't even about essay.
She's reaching.
But it's still, but even.
And she's trying to deflect from the conversation about how does she reconcile your relationship.
If you're considering yourself Christians, if you guys consider yourselves Christians, it's a fair question to ask.
How do you reconcile that with your faith?
That's a fair question.
If you want to deflect by like bringing up, this is a really bad faith thing where you just try to like deflect a hundred different things.
This joke.
I answered the question.
No, she didn't.
Because she immediately went, well, what about Christians who do XYZ?
That's not actually addressing his point.
I'm not saying that I can have a relationship with a woman because other people are sinners.
Okay, great.
So then how do you reconcile the fact that you're in a same-sex relationship and consider it a woman?
You said we're just best friends.
No, I asked you.
You're just roommates.
You said no.
You said we're just roommates.
And I said, yeah, we can't be that.
I said, well, that's what it sounds like, but you said no.
Yes.
Yeah, so then that's a good idea.
I answered to God, not to you.
According to her, it's not, she doesn't view it as roommates, but for your definition of what roommates would be, you can apply it to them.
Yeah.
All right, I have a question then.
You guys are, well, you, it's, I'm a little confused because you guys said you were maybe waiting for sex until marriage?
No, we didn't say that.
Okay, maybe I misheard.
Maybe I misheard.
But you're not having, you guys have had sex, though.
Which is a big thing.
This lady said for you to fix that one little hanging piece of hair that you have.
Anyway, yeah, back to this.
I just asked you a question.
What did you ask?
Should you guys come on to troll?
No, absolutely not.
Yeah, you're being a bit too belligerent for the otherwise good faith question that I'm asking.
What's your good faith question?
It's a good faith question.
I literally just still trying to figure out how you make this reconciliation.
Well, let me.
Okay.
No, he said, he said something that was what you asked.
Sex until marriage.
There's something about showing it.
Don't leave that shit.
And we said no.
I literally answered your question about the sex till marriage.
But you guys, if I recall correctly, you guys did have sex.
And we don't feel right about it.
And we don't have sex.
We don't do it anymore.
Thank you, yes.
But are you guys desirous of getting married?
Honestly, I'm not, I don't even know, but I just want to be our life partnerships.
Yes, you're romantically involved.
Yeah.
Are you desirous of potentially one day getting married?
I would want to get married, but I mean, at the end of the day, it depends on what God wants from us, and I'm not going to do anything with you.
And so you guys, do you want kids?
We want to foster.
Foster kids.
Okay.
But so you're not desirous of having sex with each other or potentially sex with other partners moving down the road.
I feel like you waste a lot of time if you focus your energy and mind on sex.
You can do a lot more with yourself if you just open yourself up.
And when you find people that are complimenting or like, you know, in opposite traits of you, so that you can come together and create beautiful things, beautiful work, beautiful business, beautiful life.
And if I, hold on.
If I recall correctly, if this is my understanding, one of the reasons you guys don't want to have sex is for religious reasons.
Is that correct?
And I just don't really like sex.
It kind of grosses me out all the stuff.
Is it the same for you, or is there a religious component to not wanting to have sex?
I mean, the religious component is kind of in the back of our mind.
It's a yes, but at the same time, we don't feel right.
It's a very icky thing to do.
And, you know, we feel convicted.
So yes, at the end of the day, it is a religious thing.
And I feel the same way having sex with men, if that makes sense.
Okay.
But we are not here to troll.
Yeah, I had, I didn't like having sex with men either.
So do you ever think that it was maybe the person that you were having sex with was just a bad situation?
No.
In some cases, it's gross and aggressive and painful.
I also had some good men.
Here, hang on, I hear you out because you're saying it's gross and aggressive and painful.
Those are all words.
I don't like the bodily saliva thing.
And I'm also, I feel like you're supposed to have sex when you want to procreate.
We just have sex to have sex.
And that's kind of why I said if you can't control yourself, yeah, take your husband, take your wife.
You have been in a situation with SA.
And so I feel like for you, you're viewing sex from that viewpoint, from I was attacked, I was abused.
Sex isn't only for procreation.
Do you think that husbands and wives should only have sex for as many times as they want to have babies?
Why do you not be thinking?
That's not what I said.
If sex is not only for marriage.
Can you close the marriage?
I mean, sorry, if sex is not only for marriage.
We're talking about it through a religious prism, though.
Because God's a different person.
So we're talking about this specific difference between a man and a woman.
Yeah, yeah, but we're not going to be a marriage.
No, a husband and a wife.
I'm sorry, a husband and a wife.
Yeah, I get it.
I get what you're saying, but you have a worldview conflict.
So we're trying to speak within a worldview that she claims she has, I claim that I have, that you do not have.
So within this worldview, she just said, yes.
Yes, but the adaptation of the worldview versus secularist would be much harder for them to understand it than for you to understand it.
So within the confines of this, you say, sex is for procreation, right?
Yes, I agree, but you would not agree that in Genesis, that's what it was for.
Let me finish the question.
Let me finish the question.
But you would agree that inside of a marriage, having sex external to only having children is not a bad thing, right?
If the men and women desire it, then yes.
But I do believe there's several people even who haven't been sexually assaulted that don't have a desire to put do that.
They just don't.
I think there's something underlying for that.
I mean, but come on, that's not very common.
Most of the time, married couples and couples in general have sex.
Did they all get sexually assaulted?
Yeah, that's a totally exception.
Exceptions of the world.
You can't go from like a few women don't like sex.
Because she just was bringing up sexual assault.
Yeah, but I wasn't.
Have you done something?
She's not just answering me.
What?
What?
I'm just saying, why are you so offended by that?
Like, honestly.
Because of the graphic nature of it.
He has to be very careful about how it's phrased on the channel.
I said sexual, so I didn't ever say the same thing.
Just use SA.
Use SA.
Okay, SA.
Okay.
But he's still going to say, what was the false accusation you were about to make?
I wasn't going to false accuify you.
What were you about to say?
I was about to say.
But why are you getting so defensive about sexual assault?
What were you about to say?
No, that's not what you were about to say.
It's not.
No, it wasn't.
I know.
I know.
This is why the podcast takes six hours.
Yeah, I know.
No, because you're about to throw out a very fucking serious accusation.
No, it wasn't an accusation.
It was going to be a question.
No, you were about to ask, have you ever done X?
Right.
That's what you were about to say.
Have you ever made a girl feel uncomfortable is what I was about to say.
And is that why you are so offended?
I'm just wondering why you're so offended.
Have you ever made a man uncomfortable?
Yeah, totally.
Do you do it a lot?
Maybe.
So you're the perpetrator?
It's not on purpose.
I think men feel uncomfortable when women question them.
It's just by accident?
Sure.
Okay.
I don't just sit there and go, oh my gosh.
Sounds like a man.
Sounds like you're the perpetrator here.
Sure.
Okay.
Oh, wow.
I'm sure you wanted me to argue with that.
Don't need you to argue with that.
I'm happy with that answer.
How did we all get special?
How did we all get speechless on this topic?
I want to go back to the picture.
I mean, if you bite that bullet, there's no way to do that.
You are like the king of talking over everybody.
That's good because most of you have nothing good to say.
Listen, I women.
I was more women.
No, no, no.
They literally do not respect women.
I'm not dumb.
That was a blow.
I'm not dumb.
You're like an ash budget where it's like, you're going to get canceled.
You're a bigot, and that's all.
If every single person is a little bit more than a person, the Rainbow Pride Parade, what are they going to do?
There are different levels of being smart.
You can be anywhere.
Your behavior is acting dumb and uneducated.
You're so educated, but you act like a little bro.
Oh, really?
The cancel culture queen over here?
I'm the one who's the problem.
I mean, I don't cancel anybody.
Listen, you're apparently like a God-fearing man.
No, I pointed out the joke as his character.
I know.
He has bad character.
It's okay.
He's such a godfather.
He's combative and a brat, but if I say a word about it, I'm the evil villain.
You're not an evil villain.
Yeah, good.
Then stop whining and let's have the conversation.
We're having a conversation.
Who's the one who's whining?
I've been doing his whining.
I've been keeping the same tone the whole time.
Well, you're literally just a single man.
She's whining.
What state is she doing?
And she's literally.
Because she's whining about this.
Often what happens is when women are made to feel uncomfortable, they have two options.
The first option is they could argue, but they suck at that.
So they usually got an option too, which is to whine and complain and be brats and talk about fucking nonsense.
What who woman you've been married for?
Oh my gosh.
That's what I'm saying.
Thank you.
He is not a real man.
Did you just tell that he's not a real man?
He is not.
He is not.
He wants a woman to do whatever they want.
He's not a real man.
You're stuck in the chat.
You're a biological man.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But your brain is hurting.
Shut up.
Hold on.
Stop.
Everybody, cease with the ad homs.
Everybody, stop with ad homs.
We're going to try to get through this podcast without it having to devolve into like personal attacks every five minutes.
Go ahead.
Okay, speaking of personal attacks, I would like him to go around the table and tell us exactly who he thinks is dumb on this podcast because I've literally just tried to move things along.
Just drop it.
I told everybody to stop.
If we question them, we're wrong.
If they can question us, we have to answer all their questions with them.
It's your private life.
$200.
Andrew Wilson, get away from the business.
I just didn't realize you guys were actually this bad.
Anyway, my favorite goes like this.
I'm trying to.
Jesus would not agree, and I'm very upset.
And I'm sure he is too.
Tell it to your priest who marries your preacher or whoever it is.
Okay.
No, my priest just understands that he doesn't have enough knowledge of the Hebrew language to act like you.
You need to stop.
The Hebrew language.
You guys need to stop.
We're going to stop devolving into ad homs.
We're going to stop having meta-conversations.
I tried to move things on.
Why are you bringing it back to a meta-conversation and trying to let me move the conversation on so we can have a show?
By the way, don't ask him.
Don't ask him to go around to every table and state why everybody's dumb.
I only saw the person I was medicating.
No, you're not.
I told everybody.
All right, that's what I wanted to hear.
Is that you, because you generally told everyone.
I told everyone.
I wanted to hear that that was, you know.
We're going to stop having meta-conversations.
We're going to get into the actual content of the show.
This is the content.
No, it's not.
Okay.
Act like you don't want all the drama.
Not really.
Not really.
Okay.
Did you have a different question that you wanted to ask or was it not?
No, nothing at all.
Okay.
This all started because you made it.
Yo, yo, yo, did you, did you not just hear what I said?
I just want to cease with the meta conversation.
Do you know what a meta conversation is?
No.
Andrew, conversation about the conversation.
We're going to cease having meta conversations.
Let's actually get into the content.
Okay.
Okay.
God damn.
Holy shit.
That was just an intro.
Man of God.
He's not.
Okay.
I've heard him say it.
That's true.
Which means he's an NDO.
He doesn't identify as a Christian.
So don't say you're a man of God.
It doesn't matter.
He doesn't.
He has.
He called himself a man of God with her, with her parents, or whatever.
Wait, so hold on.
Now you're saying that, well, I'm questioning you.
I'm questioning you because you took the Lord's name in vain.
Guys, please don't fucking high horse on this.
Like, come on, you guys are not.
We're not high horse, you high horse as well.
If you want, you guys are not.
You guys yourselves are not abiding.
We're not a certain level of men, so we can't act like he has to stop interrupting.
I'll submit to you.
Yo, you've got a fucking really nasty attitude.
For this show to work, you can't be interrupting.
You can't be having meta-conversations.
You can't be like throwing out these little quips and jabs.
Do you understand?
What are you doing?
So we're allowed to be interrupted, but he's not the host, correct?
Is that correct?
Okay.
You interrupted me.
You're interrupting me now.
You interrupted me first.
I'll try to interrupt.
I'm trying to make it clear.
You're the host.
We yield to you.
I will try to limit interruption from everybody.
But I was in the middle of talking and you were interrupting me.
This time, yes.
I'm done now.
Bro, you got a bad fucking attitude.
Holy fuck.
You immediately started.
You.
No.
You also have a bad attitude.
Let's keep going.
I don't.
I've been trying to get this back straight, but you got a bad attitude.
What's the next question?
Can I talk about my 12-year marriage?
No.
Not juicy enough.
Can I talk about my virginity?
Nick, what's the first thing that we're going to...
Let's do some of our reacts first, if we can.
Hopefully we can try to.
You want that Instagram first talk with me?
We're all going to be okay.
Oh, I'm totally fine.
You too, we can.
Look at Noah's.
Kumbayama.
Okay.
That's funny.
Soccer player Kaka's ex-wife, that's a weird name, but says she divorced him because he was the perfect husband.
Next, Nick.
And this is apparently a quote from her, and I've seen this all over the internet.
He says, Kaka never betrayed me.
He treated me well.
He gave me a wonderful family, but I was not happy.
Something was missing.
The problem was he was too perfect for me.
She needs therapy.
So treated me well.
This guy, I assume he was a soccer player.
He's probably rich, successful, gave her a wonderful family.
But she was not happy.
Something was missing.
The problem was he was too perfect for me.
So I want to get the panel's reactions on this.
Do you think that, you know, ending a marriage that especially involves children because she wasn't happy because he was too perfect.
Do you think that's a good pretext for a divorce and the end of a breaking up of a family, ending of a relationship?
No, I think like I just think people need to have their shit together or whatever before they step into a marriage, honestly.
So I don't agree with where she's coming from for not being happy.
Like you can't just walk out after having kids.
If that's really what she said, I feel bad for the man.
I have to agree.
I think she probably needed some therapy more so than just leaving the family.
Correct.
I think people, both men and women, are too quick to decide that minor issues and not being perfect and being perfect is not a minor issue.
It's not an issue at all.
People are too quick to toss away the beautiful arrangement that God has made, which is man and wife and children in a nuclear family.
So shame on her.
If it's true, right?
This is the media.
We don't know what is and is not true or what there is behind closed doors or the truth.
So that quote sounds terrible.
Yeah, that's her quote.
She could have made something up at least.
For real.
Yeah, we could have validated, but no, leaving a man for being perfect is bad.
Disgusting.
Yeah, I agree with that.
I mean, it doesn't really make sense.
If that is what she really said, then I don't agree with it.
Just because everybody goes through stuff and you can work through it.
If it's, you know, a family that you're talking about at the same time, you should, you know, think about your kids first and try to work on it.
I'm going to go a different route.
I think it sounds like she's struggling with something.
So I felt like, is she feel, this is a big accusation.
Is she feeling like guilty for something that she did and she feels bad because her husband is a great man and she doesn't want to pin him in a bad light?
So she's like, I'm just going to dip out now, but he was a great guy.
No, I like that you brought that up just because I feel like a lot of women feel like they have a really good man, but they are missing that spark.
And it's unfortunate now that she has children and kids also.
And that brings a whole different thing.
But she should have probably figured that out before they got married.
And she probably had something in her head that said, I should not marry him, but he's a great guy.
He probably has a good job.
He's probably showering her with all this attention, not talking to other people.
And it's poor because he just picked the wrong woman at the end of the day.
But there was probably signs somewhere in there between.
Yeah.
Can you move your mic to the corner?
Yeah, absolutely.
Andrew, your reaction.
Yeah, it's all, I mean, it's all but too common.
So oftentimes we see this happen over and over and over again where we'll see these women, especially with high-profile men, say this kind of stuff, right?
I just, you know, I just don't like him anymore.
Conveniently enough, they also happen to not like him and walk off with millions of dollars of his money.
So it makes me think maybe there's an ulterior motive behind it other than I just don't feel the spark.
I mean, sure, he's rich and good and everything that I ever wanted, but walking away, I can basically now go hook up with whoever I want and have millions of dollars of his money.
So it seems like a strong ulterior motive for it.
Well, that's true.
I can't state that emphatically, right?
I don't have any evidence other than her saying, sure, he's the perfect man, now give me the millions, but...
I mean, I'm sure the money doesn't hurt.
I'm sure it doesn't hurt.
It could be.
I mean, if you, if you had to guess, if you had to guess, if somebody said, ah, you know, he's perfect in every way.
I just adore him.
But, you know, I'm going to leave him and take millions of dollars of his money.
So I'm saying, I guess.
I think the reason she doesn't want to stay is probably because she wants his fucking money.
Well, no, she needs therapy.
I don't think she's happy with it.
We're not sure if they don't.
They might have a prenup.
Now, I feel like a lot of celebrities and high profiles have prenups put in place as well.
So we don't know what the end numbers are.
You should.
You're worried so much.
Exactly.
I think surprisingly, far fewer than you think.
Then that makes them dumb, right?
You do.
But I mean, one, you get to the point.
I don't disagree with that.
This is pretty dumb.
So I think if anything, they should sign the prenup based off of whatever you make after when you are together.
Keep in mind, you guys, she's probably not walking away from her family more times than not.
The women get the kids.
So she's leaving her perfect husband, possibly penniless and childless, probably fighting for rights just to see his children.
And the only thing she's saving him is not slandering her.
He still has half of his money.
It's still not an easy decision for her.
He's not penniless.
No, I'm not.
That poor girl.
She is wrong.
I just can't believe it.
I feel bad for her.
It's terrible.
Okay, so she is wrong.
I'm not saying that she's not wrong, but it's still not an easy decision for her to make.
She's making it because she needs help.
She doesn't realize that she's not happy with peacefulness and content.
She needs some turbulence in order to feel like she matters or whatever.
Yeah, so she's a psycho.
So she needs to be aware of her.
She needs therapy.
That's it.
But I don't think she made the decision.
I don't think she made the decision to leave her family because she was like, I want money.
Let me just go get money.
Well, then why you tell me, why would you break up your family with your kids?
Because she with your kids, the kids being the primary thing here, walk away from the family, break it up, destroy the lives of the kids, and take the money.
Because in her mind, she's thinking, I'm not happy here.
This is going to be the rest of my life.
Yeah.
And she doesn't want that.
Oh, too bad for her.
It's not necessarily about the money.
She's not saying it's good.
You're arguing with her when she's just giving another option of what you're expecting.
You're trying to fight me on a point that I'm not fighting about.
Yeah, but what about her duty?
What do you think her duty is?
I think her duty, even if she's unhappy, even if she's unhappy, he's not doing anything wrong.
She made the vows to have children together.
I agree with you, but I don't think she leaves only because the money.
I think she leaves because she needs therapy.
The money is just a bonus.
You are so obsessed with women taking your money.
She's not saying like, oh, I don't like him because he's so amazing, but the money was just really, really, really tempting, and I just like the money more than him.
That's not what she's saying.
She's saying he wasn't enough, despite him being perfect, because she's not enough and she needs help.
The money was probably a bonus.
It didn't hurt.
You both agree that she should not have left.
You're just saying shame on her, and she's saying that she's not a bad person.
You're saying she left for the money.
I'm saying she's not a bad person.
Don't need the bridge.
I just want to dive into this.
Why do we immediately assume that it's therapy and she's not just a selfish bitch?
I mean, that is, I mean, which you need therapy for.
Yeah, if you're a selfish bitch, you need therapy.
Why?
Because people can't.
That's how you fix yourself.
How do you know that that's going to fix yourself?
So you think a selfish bitch is going to sit down there and finally have some self-awareness to be like, you know what?
I'm a selfish bitch.
No, sometimes you need to go to a therapist and have a therapist be like, you're a self-belief.
Here's the thing that's funny.
You're an anti-therapyness.
What?
Are you going to jump in every time I have a conversation with anybody?
I thought we were allowed to disagree.
Yeah, can you calm down until we're done having at least our back and forth?
Is that okay?
Sure.
Are you sure?
For you.
Okay, thank you.
It's very kind of you.
You're so welcome.
So, anyway, when you talk about therapy, a lot of times therapy will exacerbate situations like this.
If you have a bad therapy.
And I wouldn't surprise me if the reason she left is because she had a fucking therapist.
You said, you got to do what's good for you, girl.
You got to do what's good for you.
I have a lot of assumptions here.
Do you understand?
So are you.
You're making a lot of assumptions, too, about therapy.
What I said is that she needs therapy because she left a party.
How do you know she's not in therapy and a therapist didn't tell her to do it?
That's her assumption.
If she is, then her therapist is bad.
That's an assumption, though.
No, it's not.
I said she needs therapy.
That is not an assumption.
Yeah, but if the therapist says to him, okay, you know what?
You should.
A therapist is a poor one.
A therapist is a silly human.
Qualify what's a poor, not a poor therapist.
I feel like we're now arguing about the therapist, and the whole comment was about what she said.
And regardless of why she said it, she's leaving her spouse, which is a horrible statement.
She's a therapist.
No, goodness.
I'm not sure what I'm saying here is that you're just assuming that she left solely because of the money, which I think is like a really weird thing to think when people don't generally think like that, right?
Maybe the money is like one factor, but they have a whole family.
You think a woman's not going to think about the entire family?
That's exactly why I think she has an alternative motive.
Because if you were actually thinking about your family, the last thing you would do is leave a man who you say is a perfect man and break up his family, break up your children's relationship with a father, and take a bunch of money, unless you didn't actually give a shit about that.
I completely agree with him.
I just disagree with the way that he's saying it.
I don't like the tone, but I completely agree with you.
The reason why it's so frustrating to have women inside of men's spaces immediately is because there's always tone policing bullshit.
And you agree with who I am.
Who cares about tone policing?
Why do you think tone policing is a problem?
Who cares about tone policing?
Because it's about the approach on how you're going to be.
No, it's not.
It's about what's being said, not how you interpret it.
No, no, that's not true.
Actually, the intention lies within your.
It's just a bunch of feminist bullshit.
No, I'm not a feminist.
I care about things differently.
Once this is about time once again, wait, don't wake up over again.
Now, Johnny, it's about fuck that.
I'm going to say it exactly how it needs to be said.
Hold up.
Go around the table.
Raise your hand if you're a feminist, because I'm not.
Oh, we'll get to that in a minute.
Feminist.
Okay, so by us saying that we tend to want to agree with you, but if we could just deliver it in a way that we can't do it.
We could just get you to do it how we want.
Oh, I'm sorry, there's no interrupting, right?
Remember, there's no interrupting?
We're having a conversation with you.
If you say something and we can agree with you, but let's say it in a way that actually makes a difference.
Oh, tell them police, tell them police.
We're not tone policing you.
We're saying how could it not be tone police if you literally are saying to me, I agree with what you say, I just don't agree with the tone in which you say that.
That's how she said it.
That's not how she said it.
I agree with what you're saying.
I don't like how it's being delivered.
You don't like the tone.
It's literally tone policing.
Nothing.
She totally, they all agree with me.
They don't.
No, they don't want to.
No, no, no.
We don't really say that.
We didn't police that.
No, I just don't like the delivery.
You think women only leave because of money?
I didn't.
This one.
And this one.
No.
I think, why would she leave because of money?
If he really was perfect, she would stay because then she has the husband, the kids, the house and the money.
Exactly.
That's more of a win for her to stay.
Why do you think she's just leaving because of money?
So you've done it.
But that's what he's saying.
Yeah, no one agrees.
No, what he said, and tell me if I'm wrong, what he said was: no woman should leave her children, a husband who's supposedly perfect in any situation.
I don't care if she needs therapy or not, she shouldn't be leaving.
But that's not what he said.
He said it was only since she left it's because of money.
No, no, he didn't.
You can see alternative motivation.
If you're looking at the alternative motivation, if you're looking at the evidence that's in front of us, you literally agreed with me.
If we say she goes, well, the husband's perfect, everything is great.
It's just that I just have to break up my whole family and walk away with millions of dollars of his money.
You said, yeah, I could see that that basically needs therapy.
My counter to that was, well, maybe she's in therapy.
A therapist told her for all you know.
I did not say that.
She didn't.
So it's not okay.
It doesn't sound like a powerful motivator.
Money is going to be a matter of money.
No, not if you're already with a person who's making you perfectly happy, like she just said, and already has all the money in the world.
Why would you need to leave him and then take some of his money with you?
Because here you want to go find yourself, girl.
That's not money.
You want to be a boss bitch.
That's what she thinks.
Yeah.
And that's why she needs therapy.
Yeah.
But that's not exactly.
If the alternative was not for money, it would be great if she just left it with him.
What do you mean?
Well, I have a feeling she's not going to just be like, well, I'm going to leave and not take any of the money.
She's going to take the kids with her.
Maybe.
Or maybe they got joint custody, but I guarantee he's going to be paying a lot of money.
So you don't think he should be paying any child support?
I think that if she's going to be a good person.
But she could clean, rub his back, rub his feet for a lot of years and take care of the kids.
Oh, my goodness.
First of all, who gives a shit if she did?
She's sitting at home on her pampered ass where her kids are at school getting taken care of by other people.
Who gives a shit?
Pampered ass.
Yeah, pampered.
You don't know exactly what she's doing.
You don't even know what women actually are.
I don't know what women go through.
That's not what she's mad.
You didn't even let me finish my sentence.
You just started saying something.
Probably pampered.
No, that's not.
Hit me.
No, that's what I thought.
So anyway, back to where we're at.
The man's statement.
Remember, we're right on the inside.
What the fuck?
I honestly lost my train of thought.
Okay.
Andrew's trying to be a good sport here.
You just, again, did an ad hom.
Do you see every woman?
Good sport?
You don't have to.
What's the definition of a good sport?
Oh, my God, bro.
I'm trying to bring things back to level, and then you just want to object to it immediately and then start attacking me, which is not going to be productive.
So here's how this is going to go.
From, I've been sitting here for the past three minutes.
Andrew, I haven't heard anything particularly objectionable from Andrew.
However, you came in and said he's really something along the lines of, wow, he's really ugly on the inside.
That's an ad hom.
Totally unproductive.
That's why I'm checking you right now.
Do you understand?
Sure.
Did you say that?
I said that.
So that would then invite Andrew to return fire with fire, which will just devolve again into insults and personal attacks.
So you both need to refrain from the ad homs.
Okay.
Does that make sense?
Sure.
You do realize that you're contributing to the very belligerent nature of this conversation, though.
Yes.
Okay.
So you don't need to make these little quips under your breath to her or even directly to him or to myself.
Okay.
Do you agree?
Okay.
Do you agree to cease with the ad homs and the personal attacks?
Yes.
Okay.
Everybody here, can we moving forward?
Can we agree?
We're going to cease with ad homs and personal attacks.
Yes.
Does everyone agree?
Because I think Got it.
Even if we disagree on shit, I think it's not going to be productive for the conversation.
Can we all agree on that?
Does that include calling us dumb?
I just did it.
All ad homs, all ad homs, and personal attacks.
I don't think it's going to be productive for this conversation.
Yeah, we all agreed.
All as well.
That's amazing.
I'm going to read a chat here that's relevant.
Her sentence is true and was published in our newspaper in Brazil.
Kaka is one of the greatest players in the history of Brazilian football.
Five-time world champion has never been involved in any scandals.
Poor guy.
Which is miracle.
Miracle for the world of football.
Raphael, thank you, man.
Appreciate it.
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This episode is baller.
At least they like it.
Yep.
We have Daniel W. Many therapists are not even PhD holders anymore.
Therapy can be bad.
And he's oversaturated today.
Divorce is abuse towards children.
These women fail to realize their arguments normalize and praise divorce, create social stigma around it again.
Views on child support.
Okay.
Views on child support?
I support it.
I think if a woman makes more than a man, she should pay child support.
If a man makes more than a woman, he should pay child support.
Second it.
I think if there is a joint custody and a woman was not having a job within that partnership because the man didn't want her to, I feel like it's his fault for not letting her or her fault for not having money of her own.
I feel like women should have money for their own for this reason.
I don't believe you should ever leave your husband and wife.
I mean, your husband and children.
I think that's sad and wrong unless there was cheating.
What?
Don't you think it's the most optimal system to have a woman staying at home with kids?
Yes.
Absolutely.
That's the natural design.
But once they go to school, what does she do?
Well, that was my question, right?
So why are we paying her child support again?
Because what do you mean?
She doesn't put the kids to sleep.
She doesn't feed them.
She doesn't take them to school with stuff.
She doesn't cook your food.
She doesn't clothe them.
She's like an employee to you.
I'm going to answer your question.
So if you're sending your kids to school, they're going to school for eight hours a day.
It's a huge block of your day where there's not kids around.
That's one.
Two, I'm not saying in the formative years that women don't put on a lot of work.
They do, but it gets a lot easier for women as the kids get older.
I mean, even by four, five, six, seven, right, they're going to school for most of the day.
Women are not busting their asses anymore to take care of the kids.
They're just not.
It gets way easier for them.
Men, on the other hand, still are.
They're still working the 12s.
They're still working the 16-hour days so that they can support the family.
And now they have to do it even more.
They have to work even more hours if the woman's going to stay at home because now the system requires two incomes for you to survive.
It sounds like you have to extend your hours as a man most of the time.
It sounds like you want the wife to stay at home and raise the children, but you're also holding it against her because you have to go to work.
No, no one's holding it against you.
Yeah, because you're like, oh, you're not really doing anything.
You just stay at home and I have to go to work.
No, I'm saying that my claim is it's not equally yoked.
She's getting the better end of the bargain.
So if you bring up what about her housework, et cetera, I'm saying she still gets the better.
She's still getting the way better end of the bargain.
But she has to put in way more than that.
No, she even gets it earlier.
She does.
I agree with him on this.
In the beginning, when she has to raise the kids.
Till what?
Three?
I will say I agree with you on this one.
Yeah, so for four years.
I think the woman needs to be an act.
Okay, how many kids do you have?
They just want to have a bad one.
Hey, who here agrees with me who has kids?
I do.
I don't have kids, but I don't know.
I don't know.
I want to put it in a context.
I want to put it in a context.
Aren't you a businesswoman?
Yes, I am, but I want to put it in a context that empowers women, which is yes, women who get to stay home and raise their children while their husband works hard, that is a blessing.
Absolutely.
That is a blessing to the woman.
And I have been an entrepreneur my entire life.
And four years ago, I lost everything I had worked for.
And God gave me the gift of enjoying my children at home.
And I didn't realize how incredibly empowering that was.
And that was our natural role.
And I will say this too as well, because if I don't keep talking, you're just going to talk over everybody.
I will also say this: child support started on this concept that, well, because I stayed home all of those formative years, I wasn't able to.
This is when people got married at like 20.
I wasn't able to go to college and build a career.
And now, if we get divorced, I don't have anything that I've done for myself except for these children.
I'm not saying it's right or wrong.
I'm saying that's how child support started.
But now women and men take advantage of the system where they abuse and they hire the highest paid lawyer and they want to get vindictive against their spouse.
And they literally use government, which we shouldn't be using, to punish a spouse and get more money that they don't deserve or punish people and not to give them money that they do deserve.
But I will say, again, women do not work as hard as men.
Doing the dishes and the laundry and paying the bills and running errands and raising your children is beautiful and it is a gift.
But that's the job.
Some men and women and women run empires together.
But if you're a stay-at-home mom, that's the job.
Yeah, I was a stay-at-home mom for nine years.
I think it's where women need to be.
I think we need to be in the household.
I think we need to be barefoot in the kitchen raising our children.
And I am now working.
I work with my husband and with Lindsay, but I don't agree with the child support.
And some, I mean, again, I think when you're taking, like Lindsay said, when it started, it was meant that way.
It's a good thing.
But at the same time, I feel like it should be completely off the table.
We shouldn't even be discussing this.
Why is divorce at such a high rate?
And then we wouldn't need to be having child support.
I think I saw a statistic that divorce was actually down from 19.
Fewer people are getting married.
No one gets married.
That's Joe Biden's America.
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Anthony Vasilati.
Hey, thank you, man.
Appreciate it.
Andrew, why blank on therapy?
Yes, girl with glasses needs a reality check about what's important in life.
My girlfriend of 15 years passed recently.
Sorry to hear that.
I raised two kids.
I'm on my feet today thanks to my psychologist.
Great.
Good job, Anthony.
I think you would object to it in like someone who's trying to get over growing up.
People have actual serious trauma, but women don't use therapy that same way.
They'll use therapy for all sorts of problems.
Why do you generalize all women under one body?
That's a big statement to assume.
Not a big statement to assume.
I'm assuming you're going on.
Is there statistics that you have for that?
Not only is there statistics that we can say for this, but we can look at psychology itself.
Psychology itself is a soft science.
It's not a real science.
It's a soft science.
Just like the medical field, it's a soft science.
And so we can't reproduce most of the data which is inside of psychology.
We can't reproduce its massive reproduction crisis.
You don't believe in psychology.
Stop talking.
I'm almost done.
Up to 70% of the studies can't be reproduced in psychology.
Sociology is terrible with the same exact problem across the board.
The question becomes: with psychology itself and psychologists, they're practicing a soft science.
What are the benefits that you're getting from a psychologist that you wouldn't get from a buddy?
You would say that they have some sort of scientific training.
I would argue that if the science itself can't be reproduced, then it's not scientific at all.
And they're basically just renting a buddy.
That's a good idea.
I think if you have a buddy, then there's a bias response that's coming.
I disagree with you on the sense that psychology is completely not worth even considering because you can't reproduce the science or whatever.
Because I do think it has, sorry, I do think it has basis in reality.
But I do agree that obviously when you speak to a therapist, not every therapist is going to be a good one.
Even if they have all their qualifications, they're still going to be able to give you wrong information.
There are a lot of people who genuinely try therapy, they always will tell you that it's a matter of finding a good therapist.
Sure.
But this makes my point, actually.
So how can you judge if a therapist is a good therapist or not if it's supposed to be a science, but there's no scientific standard from which we can judge them other than maybe by results, right?
I've got a five-star rating or I've got a three-star rating.
Well, it's a very good idea.
Hang on, hang on, almost done.
So then the question becomes, if we have no scientific standards, you're calling yourself a scientist.
We know which ones are good and which ones are not good.
How do you know that?
It's a trial and error thing.
A lot of it is you find a therapist who works with you properly because they're able to understand you.
Some therapists aren't good and some are.
Some are good for certain people.
Some are not good for other people.
Some specialize in certain fields so that they're used to certain thought patterns and know how to address them accordingly.
But it's a very nuanced thing.
It's just randomized.
I would argue back that you might be able to get the exact same results by just going to friend to friend until you find the right one.
I would agree with that as well.
However, you would probably need to find a very mature friend.
Maybe.
Yeah.
Or maybe an immature friend.
After all, you have psychologists who are 23, 24, 25, 26 years old.
No, but that's what I'm saying.
They're bad therapists out there.
You don't know if that 48-year-old therapist has the problem.
You could have a very, very mature friend who's able to understand certain behaviors and why people do certain things.
And they can sit down with you and talk to you and help you piece it out.
But there's no scientific regulation.
It doesn't.
So judging it would be just basically judging it off of how you feel as the result.
People just think the entire field of psychology is bogus.
Of course.
Okay, so then you can't change it.
Well, if it's a soft science and it can't be reproduced.
What could I use other than tales of people saying it's horrible and tales of people saying it's good?
These are not scientific ways to evaluate.
There are certain archetypes that people fall into when it comes to their personalities because of certain, because of the way they were raised.
Hold on, hold on.
Stop, stop, stop, stop right now.
She's talking.
You guys were specifically instructed before the show, no fucking sidebar conversations.
Please, kindly, if somebody's talking, don't have a sidebar conversation.
It's rude to the audience and it's rude to her.
Let her speak.
Don't be fucking talking when she's talking.
Go ahead.
I don't remember what I was saying.
My train of thought is.
Okay, well, we're going to move on because it's kind of not even that interesting.
All right, we have a chat here.
Patriot Barbie fan.
Hi, Lindsay.
Love you so much.
I follow you on IG.
Saw you meet the President Trump on Sunday and that he pulled you up in front of a crowd to talk to you.
Andrew, stopping a dick.
To her and Kenzel.
All right.
All right.
Thank you.
Yes, I mean, Scott, let's cut the crap.
This woman left her husband, broke her vows in the family.
No excuse.
Black chick with the pink hair.
STFU and respect the platform.
I can't imagine a man coming home to your BS.
Too bad.
With a man.
It's fine.
I can't imagine it.
I mean, you'd have to change the gender, I guess.
We have no therapy, just God coming in here.
Oh, shit.
Feminist preaching to the choir, deflecting nasty attitudes, giving out hypothetical outliers as evidence to an argument devoid of any, do you mean logical thought?
Poor me victim attitudes, allergic to the truth.
Hey, therapist.
I like the logical thought.
Thank you, man.
Appreciate it.
Also, I thought I was the only feminist here.
Am I not?
It doesn't seem like you are.
They just think that women are respecting themselves and having their own opinions is feminism.
Let's define feminism.
There's another clip there.
Let's define feminism.
Yeah, what is feminism?
Well done with the fallacious argumentation.
What's the definition of feminism?
Like a men and women in the eatbox.
Yeah, I would say it would be the movement towards the egalitarian nature of men and women.
Can you say it a little bit more?
Men and women are less egalitarian.
Well, when you're talking about egalitarianism, you're talking about equality and equity.
So it would be the movement towards the equality and equity between men and women.
Oh, I think men and women are uniquely very different, and we are not equal.
In what ways?
So many ways.
I mean, I have XX chromosomes.
You have Y.
No, I don't mean biological ways.
I mean, in what ways under the law, per view of the law, the way that you would want to see laws of the land structured, would you say that men and women should not be equal?
Think like, Kendall, think like God's role is for men to be strong, protect, provide, providers, and bring them to women.
Be called into war.
Women are nurturing their children, tending their home, creating a, you know, a beautiful nuclear family dynamic, that kind of thing.
So, like, for instance, let me ask you this.
We'll test this real quick and just find out.
Do you think that there should be female politicians?
Yes.
Yeah.
Yes.
Yes.
Yeah.
Why not?
You don't.
Because it actually creates a conundrum from the Christian worldview.
Okay.
This is why I believe.
You believe that you should submit to your husband, right?
Absolutely.
It says actually they should submit to each other.
Is there anything else that I can help you with?
I think I finish my conversation.
I'm asking Kendall.
But, you know, I wouldn't want to tell him police.
Go ahead.
No, you go ahead.
Are you sure?
Is it okay?
Are you going to be okay?
Okay.
So anyway, if you submit to your husband, right, and you're a politician, and your husband goes to you and says, I want you to vote this way.
Are you going to vote that way?
No.
Oh, well, that's not submission then.
Yeah, because I don't think you should submit to your husband.
I believe she should hear him out on a lot of people.
Husband and a wife should be equal.
You would say you would hear him out, right?
No, I would absolutely hear you.
Wait, question for you.
Who should pay on the first state?
I feel like you kind of act.
Hold on.
Who should pay on the first stage?
Well, you just said men and women should be equal, so how do you reconcile that statement?
Don't you believe in traditional values?
Yeah, but it's what you're saying.
Well, there's a difference.
Okay, you know what?
I'll change my answer, actually.
I'll change my answer.
You're a feminist.
I'll change my answer.
You're a feminist.
How can you say?
Listen, I'm changing my answer.
If the woman asks the man out first, she pays.
They don't.
Women over there.
Yeah, that's why men should pay.
Women!
Yeah, but it's this very almost like willfully naive position.
Guys, one at a time, please.
It's a very willfully naive position to take that, well, whoever asks should pay.
Well, overwhelmingly, men are the initiators.
Okay.
So your answer may, like, de facto, men are going to be the ones who are asking.
So your answer might as well be men should pay.
Okay, but.
What does that have to do with my belief that men and like a wife and I'm not sorry?
What does that have to do with my belief that a husband and a wife should be equal in a marriage?
Well, how do you arrive at a marriage?
Through the courtship process, right?
Correct.
Which is unequal if you, if you're in the position.
I do think that the man should pursue.
Why?
Why?
I don't know.
Because I just think he should.
But initially, and you seem to want to walk it back.
Initially, you said, well, don't you believe in traditional gender roles?
But you're a feminist.
How do you reconcile your desire for equality?
It does contradict.
No, traditional values and feminism don't accept the power.
It 100%.
Well, let's see if they don't.
Let's just find out.
Like, for example.
Wait, let me ask one question.
Sure.
So you do want the guy to pay for the first date, correct?
If he asks me out.
Sure.
Let's say he does.
Do you want to get married one day?
Yes.
Okay.
Will you take your husband's last name?
Yes.
Go ahead, Andrew.
You are not a feminist.
Why am I not a feminist?
Because you don't want to be a feminist.
I think you want to align with feminism, but I think secretly deep down what you want is you want a man to court you, to take you to dinner, to treat you nice, to ask you to marry him, and to create a family.
That's what you're saying.
Kind of, right?
I mean, I think it should go both ways, but in the beginning, the man should do the courting, and then the woman should also be.
Well, that's a gender.
Isn't that a gender expectation?
Yeah, I do think that there are gender roles in society.
I don't necessarily think that means that men and women are not.
What would your expectations be in a relationship where you're both a feminist, but also desirous of a traditional relationship?
He asks me out, takes me on a first date, and then after that, everything's normal.
That's it.
We just interact normally.
We like each other.
So you'll pay 50-50.
Yeah, the first thing you should do is that you're going to be able to do 50-50.
Will you insist?
Will you insist that it's 50-50 from there on out?
Or if the guy continues to be like, no, I want to get away from that.
I would probably say something.
No, I'd probably say something at some point.
So why this arbitrary?
You want one singular date for the guy to pay.
Just because, like, I do think that the guy should be the one pursuing the beginning.
Why?
Because I do believe in traditional values to a certain extent, just not to a point where it...
Okay.
So you want...
I like the ones I like.
So for you, for you, equality is a buffet.
You want to pick and choose that which benefits you and disregard that which doesn't.
So you want traditional.
That's a fair thing to do.
You want tradition for men in these scenarios.
So then you're saying that women should be pursuing first.
That's your men out on the other side.
If it is your expectation, then it brings up the fact that there's kind of an ingrained hypocrisy there, right?
But there isn't, right?
Why can't a man pursue and then still treat women as equal?
Because I believe that women and men are equal.
I do think that women should be able to do that.
And are you calling just in marriage?
Everything.
I think that women should be able to vote.
I think women should be able to draft.
You think women should have to be drafted?
I've been able to vote for a long time.
That's a great question.
Should women be drafted?
I don't know.
I'll have to think about that.
I think it's easy to equal.
Equal.
I don't know.
I thought they were equal.
I guess you're right.
You did say that.
They should be drafted.
You want them to be.
You want them drafted?
So if you were drafted tomorrow, would you go?
I'd probably leave a country.
Yeah, you wouldn't go.
So much for that equality.
Can you stop talking about that, please?
So much for that equality.
You would flee.
You would draft off.
Well, I mean, men could also leave the country.
Yeah, I get it.
But from the equality standpoint, it's just kind of interesting that, well, wait a second.
I guess in order to be consistent, I would have to say yes.
I would have to get drafted.
But if he did draft me, I'm getting the fuck out of you.
If you're asking me about personal questions, I personally would not want to draft in a war.
I'd leave.
But do I think that if men get drafted, women should be too?
Yeah, I think that's fair.
Yeah, but if you actually believe that, then you would have to accept the fact that if you get drafted, you're going to go.
Okay, that's fair.
I'd probably try to leave the country, and I'm sure a lot of other guys will take away.
Actually, really quick on the military.
Most guys don't.
Really quick on the military thing.
This is actually what happens.
Even for the volunteer force of women, if they're about to be deployed to a conflict zone, conflict area.
They get pregnant a lot.
I was about, yes.
Frequently, frequently, they tend to get pregnant, which would preclude them from having to be deployed.
So even if you do get drafted or even if you're a volunteer, a lot of these women tend to just get knocked up.
I'll just get pregnant so I can avoid having to get to it.
Typically they get assigned different, like not like frontline combat positions anyways.
So even if they do get deployed, they're typically much more safer than their male counterparts in the military.
We have another thing to react to, Nick.
Why don't we get...
This is Megan Fox.
She had a video go kind of viral recently.
Can you play it?
Got a lot of single ladies here who, you know, they're having a single summer and they need some advice from you.
I don't know if I'm the best person to give advice because my advice is like just learn a skill or develop a hobby and do not waste your energy on boys.
What is they're going to do is drain you.
Just move on.
Invest in yourself.
We've got a lot of single ladies here.
So that's it.
Not much there, but she does say that, you know, they'll just waste your time and drain you, men.
Do you think that there would be an uproar if a male of her status were to say the same thing, but just swap the...
No, I don't think if, like, Ryan Gosling were to say...
What was the first thing she said?
Nick, just pull it up one more time.
What was the first thing she said?
If Ryan Gosling were to go on an interview and say, you know, they're having a single summer and they need some advice from you.
I don't know if I'm the best person to give advice because my advice is like just learn a skill or develop a hobby and do not waste your energy on boys.
Do not waste your energy on it.
What is they're going to do is drain you.
So if Ryan Gosling, if Ryan's going to be a little bit more than this is like advice that men give to other men, like don't waste your time on bitches.
Like make sure you develop a hobby.
Go find a job.
Like work yourself.
Be worth something.
Don't waste your time on hoes and bitches.
Yeah, but that's because of the value difference, right?
Oh, so now there's a justification.
I believe she's saying that people are going to come.
Well, wait.
There is a justification for it.
There's no double standard here.
There's no double standard.
Okay.
Because I don't ascribe to the fact your egalitarian worldview of equality.
Right.
So let's throw in that case.
That there is a distinction in standards because there's a value distinction.
The value distinction is that.
I disagree with you.
Well, okay, you don't even know what I'm going to say.
Why would you disagree with me?
I don't think there's a value distinction between men and women.
You don't think there is?
I think that they're different.
I don't think that they're valued differently.
No?
No.
Okay, so then you would say that they prefer the exact same things?
No.
Okay, so then there's value differences.
Okay, they value differences, but they themselves are valued the same thing.
Yeah, I wasn't talking about their intrinsic quality or rights yet.
Okay.
I'm talking about the things that they value are different.
So if men are valuing, for instance, physical beauty, standards, youth for children, things like this, they don't really give a shit about women's income.
Women, on the other hand, do care a lot about men's income.
So if men are giving the advice to focus on gaining a lot more income if they wanted to have a good, stable relationship and have a woman stay at home, take care of their kids, that really is good advice.
For women, them having a skill, long-term skill, and wasting their youthful years doesn't seem to me to be great advice.
Yeah, when you're a woman, I think maybe you'd understand.
But if you waste your entire time...
No, if you were a man, I think you'd understand.
Probably.
But if you waste your entire time trying to please men your whole life, you do waste yourself away.
That's what I said, though.
That's what she's saying.
She's saying, don't waste your time on boys.
Find a hobby, develop something interesting, because if you're obsessed with boys and that is your hobby, you're going to have a problem.
Okay, women have X amount of years where they have strong fertility, and that's in their 20s.
Okay.
That's their strongest years for fertility.
Okay.
So if they're busy out developing a skill and not wasting any time on boys in their 20s.
You're misunderstanding what she says.
I'm not misunderstanding what she's saying.
Well, when she's saying don't waste your time on boys, she means literally don't make your entire world revolve around boys.
She doesn't know you're just setting that in.
That's not what she said.
Yes, she doesn't mean never ever talk to a boy.
Boy, she's literally dating somebody.
She has a boyfriend.
She's saying work on yourself.
She's literally just saying work on yourself and stuff.
Don't drain yourself.
Find a hobby.
Find something else that you can do.
I think what you're doing.
Don't make your world revolve.
Is you're not taking what she actually said.
You're just mapping what you want.
You're not dating.
What you want it to sound like.
She's literally dating a man right now.
But just like the one that's going to be.
Just like with almost everything I say to you.
Just like everything I say to you, you reinterpret it to say something I didn't say.
That's what's happening here.
You did that before with the other girl.
You said, oh, she left because she only wanted money and she only wanted this.
You made so many assumptions.
And then here you're doing those.
Here you're doing the, I literally.
She needs therapy.
That's a presupposition.
But you have to say, but the whys.
The whys are what you're saying.
You could have the issue from the therapist.
It doesn't matter.
It does matter.
She just needs a better therapist.
The point is we agree that she has an internal issue.
It's not about the money, and you're just assuming.
In this case, you're also assuming that she means never, ever, ever talk to a man when that's not what she's saying.
That's how there are two separate points.
It's very obvious to know what she means because there are a lot of girls.
You guys are like, stop, girls actually go boy crazy and they actually do revolve their entire lives around men.
What does that have to do with what she actually said versus what you are mapping on to what she said because you want her to have said that?
She has a boyfriend.
So what?
Okay, we got one of her circles going around and circling.
She obviously has a girlfriend.
Stop.
She has a boyfriend.
I get that.
I get your point that I can see most likely what she meant was, hey, you know, don't waste your time on boys.
Really focus on yourself.
But I get what you're saying in the sense that for me, when I went to college, I went to college to get a degree, but I also went to college to find my husband.
I was looking for a man.
Are you?
Why is he getting scolded for side conversation?
What?
I would love to hear your point.
Everyone gets bailed at for side conversations, but she was talking about the controls.
I would love to continue hearing that.
I'm just directing out of the side to him.
Sorry.
My point was, I agree with you.
Allow me to say that.
Look, look, look, look.
You've just got.
Your interruption is now greater than his minor sidebar.
I don't always catch every single sidebar that's going to occur.
But now I'm having to respond to you because you've just totally interrupted the entire thing.
Let me host, okay?
If I miss a sidebar, blame it on me.
How does your husband feel about that?
What?
How's your wife feel about it?
She's not married.
She's not married.
Yeah.
Go ahead.
She is.
Go ahead.
To a man.
I genuinely, I went to college to obviously to get a degree, but I also had a goal to find myself a husband.
I agree with you that women have prime years where we are to find a husband, to have children.
And I think it's sad that in today's society, women are focusing more on themselves.
It's a very me-centric society right now.
I disagree.
And in turn, they're going into the workforce and they're not having children.
And they're not getting married.
And I think that's a really sad place to be.
I think the reason for that, the reason why giving women rights makes them decide to be more independent and not want to marry in order to participate in society is because they aren't happy in their marriages because men are used to acting no offense like you, respectfully.
Bitches like you.
Yeah, that's fair.
Respectfully.
No, that's fine.
I don't care.
I don't need those throwback.
But just they act in ways where it's like the woman must submit.
The woman must live for me.
And unfortunately, women are people too for you.
That's unfortunate.
And we don't necessarily want to live just for a man.
We want to live for ourselves as well.
And if a man can't understand that, then we don't want to be married to them.
And there are a lot of men who cannot understand that.
So a lot of women no longer want to.
Why should we try?
Why should we waste our lives away for a man to just be like, good, stay at home, do this?
Let me not respect you.
Let me act like I'm doing you a thing.
And that's not the right kind of man.
You're not finding the right kind of thing.
But there's a lot of men like that.
So you got to see them out.
You got to look for the right kind of man.
Because I'm telling you, the man that I am married to loves and respects.
100%.
And I feel like women are, I do think women put men down way too often.
I think it goes both ways.
So absolutely.
It absolutely is.
So moving back to this, let's test this and see if this is correct.
You think that women are staying away from men and trying to go towards relationship because men are just big meanie heads?
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, that's what you said, right?
No, I, yeah.
I mean, if you want to make it sound stupid, go ahead.
Can you explain, though, why you think that?
If women were happy in their marriages, then giving them the right to participate in society without marriage wouldn't have an impact on marriage.
But it does because they don't like it.
They don't like being married.
Because they're not being treated well in marriage, right?
You have the incentives that they have.
Kendall right here, she's very happy in her marriage because her husband treats her nicely.
What about the incentives they have to respect each other?
They're not divorced, though.
They have incentives.
Yeah, but if you actually like your partner, you're not going to want to get divorced, right?
I'm sure you're not going to be able to do that.
If you have incentives, you may.
No, Kendall is not going to divorce her husband just for the money.
She likes her husband.
So what?
Kendall's not every woman.
Do you see that?
When you talk about incentivization, when you talk about incentivizations back the other direction, what you're saying is there's no possibility that there could be incentivizations the other direction, which could convince a woman to leave her husband.
That's what you're saying.
If she doesn't like him, yeah, there are a lot of incentives.
But if he's treating her perfectly well and she is perfectly healthy as an individual as well, then there shouldn't be no problem.
She would have no reason to leave.
Why would Kendall leave perfectly?
I understand what you're saying.
I just want to grant it.
I want to make sure I'm not strawmanning you, so I'm going to steal Mannet back to you.
If a woman's happy in her marriage, even if there's incentives, she's going to stay, or the problem is either that she's actually miserable because of the way he's treating her or there's something wrong with her.
Correct.
Then this would the logical extension of this would be then that you actually believe that women are initiating most marriages because there's nothing wrong with them, but because it's men's fault.
No, I think a lot of women get married too soon.
So it's their fault?
I don't think women get married soon enough.
It's both?
Yeah.
Then why if it's both, then how come men aren't initiating those divorces as much as women?
I mean, they do as well.
They don't.
They do sometimes.
Sometimes I don't know.
But why aren't they as much as for the record?
Wait, pause.
Okay, it makes sense for them not to want to.
Wait one second.
Well, please, wait one second.
Women really love to romanticize love.
On the flip side, men are very logical thinkers and they're okay with going with the problems.
When there's a problem after problem, most times women are like, I'm out.
I'm done.
It's because of this, we want to get married because we want the big wedding.
We want this idea of love instead of actually knowing what love is.
So I think to go along, someone had said that people are getting married too young.
I think someone said that.
I think you said that, Lindsay.
You did not say that.
Oh, okay.
Oh, you said that.
Or are getting married too young.
I think I have a lot of friends that are married.
And in my opinion, I think they are too young.
But I think that because I see all these people that get married young and then they get divorced, but it's because they haven't found themselves.
So I think if we taught our children to learn how to be how to be themselves and how to actually find who they are inside, we could promote us actually getting married early.
I wonder if that's true.
If you can respond to this, if you think it's due to youth.
Why is it that from the Christian frame, if a person and two people marry as virgins when they're young and they're Christians, their likelihood divorce drastically decreases.
I mean drastically.
Well, in my opinion, I believe it's because of this hookup culture in general.
When you are virgins to begin with, you don't know really what you're missing out on is what I view it as.
So once you have had sex before outside of it, then you're going to want to continuously have it.
Hang on, I'm going to speak to this because I was a virgin on my wedding night.
I'm going to speak to this.
And I got married young.
I don't think me not experiencing other men is the thing.
I feel like I was able to connect with my husband on such an intense level because we weren't physical with each other and we got to know each other, you know, emotionally, deeply.
That's what you two were talking about earlier.
But I also think I wish that people got married younger, not necessarily sooner, like don't, you're not dating for two weeks and you get engaged, but I wish people would get married younger because you grow together.
Whereas opposed to these people that are getting older or getting married older, you have all these separate finances.
I'm not able to build.
I have friends who, the wife pays the husband the mortgage every month.
Like that's crazy.
Yeah.
That is crazy.
And yeah, so what the data shows is that, yes, if you are virgins, and yes, if you get married young and you're Christian, yes, your divorce rates.
Yes, it is.
But I thought that your primary thing that you wanted was to reduce divorce.
I do, but not because they believe that God thinks divorce is bad, but because they're actually happy in their marriages.
They're reporting, they report their, wait, no, no, no.
This contradicts what you just said.
You just said that women are leaving their marriages because they're not happy inside of their marriage.
I literally made sure to steel man it so that you would agree to it.
I'm saying it wrong.
I said women are not getting married because they don't want to be with someone.
No, here was the steel man.
I'll give it back to you.
The steel man.
Here's exactly what happened, and you can replay this if you don't believe me.
I said, so you're saying women are initiating these divorces because the men are mistreating them or in some way something wrong with the men.
And you said, yes.
Yeah.
Okay, so if that's the case, then that would still be the case, even with these Christians.
So are these young men just way higher quality men?
Because Christians, especially more devout Christians, don't believe in divorce.
It's a very controversial community if they're not going to be able to get divorced as well.
They can still get divorced.
But it's not socially acceptable.
Like, you can say that, but it's not.
I don't think it has anything to do with that.
It does.
My husband and I are not from a very, my husband and I are not.
You don't come from a Christian community.
Don't be full of shit.
No, wait, but you won't be able to do that.
That's not a Christian community.
But it looks similar in the sense that it's not similar.
Everybody's extremely Orthodox.
They get married very early.
They stay married for a very long time.
They don't give a shit about divorce.
It's not a big deal in the SLS community.
It's not a huge deal.
I love how you're talking like you know.
I love how you're talking like you do.
I'm telling you, in a Christian community, in these Christian communities, in these Christian communities, which you're speaking on, just so that you understand, they are reporting their happiness levels much higher.
They have less antidepressant use.
They go to therapy and therapists far less.
They have far less of these societal issues that you see.
Stop talking about documentation of that.
Yes, there are documented.
No, there's less anti-depressant prescriptions because there's less therapy because they don't believe in therapy.
Hang on, hang on.
My husband and I go to therapy.
We are actively in therapy.
But how come the living rates are higher?
Hang on, let me finish.
Because we believe in marriage, I am not going to divorce my husband because of the fact that I don't, because the Bible says don't get divorced.
I mean, that's part of it.
I feel like I want to work on my marriage.
And so I do go to therapy and we do work hard on it.
And it's not because strictly the Bible tells us not to, but good things take work.
A lot of women, especially if you're in a very religious community where your social points or whatever is dependent on how well you're doing in life, a lot of women don't necessarily want to divorce even if they're in a bad marriage or they're unhappy because they don't want everybody else to say certain things or they don't want to take that step with their life.
They're very sad.
Wouldn't that lead to poorer outcomes?
It would lead to poorer outcomes.
Well then, where can you demonstrate the poorer outcomes?
Because all of them are reporting that the outcomes are better.
Not only are they getting divorced less, hang on, their kids are far less prone to get into any type of criminal activity at all.
Their kids are far more likely to be stable in life.
They're far more likely to graduate from high school.
They're far more likely to do all of these things.
And on top of that, and on top of that, well, you just got done saying it is.
You just literally got done saying that's because there's all these incentives who keep them together.
And then you're saying that's all because of religion.
When I said one thing was because of religion.
Yes, but I, no, no, no.
I just asked you, wouldn't they have worse outcomes?
And you said yes.
But when we look at the outcomes, they're not being not just because they're religious.
But they don't report they're unhappy.
But that's because they're not doing anything that would, like, how are they going to report it, please?
If they don't go to therapy, if you researcher, yeah, exactly.
A few researchers could call them and say, are you unhappy?
And they would say yes.
That's not how it happens.
It is how it happens.
No, that's not how it happens.
How is data gathered?
You do studies.
You take a sample.
And in the study, how do they gather the data?
You take a sample.
How do they gather the data for the study?
But I'm saying in this study, how do they gather the data for the study?
The population in question, sorry.
The population in question here, they are literally not going to therapy.
They don't go.
They don't have to be afraid to do that.
They don't have to.
Yeah, that's because they're stable.
They go to their priests.
They do their, whatever.
We're saying they're stable because that's what the stats show.
They're not actually saying, like, they don't have to do that.
They do.
They literally use polling data.
They use stability.
How do they do that?
They just called them up and they're like, Here.
It's the same way that they do for secularists.
No, that's not.
But yes, yes.
Tell me how they do it.
They have therapists and they have antidepressants.
And for the religious, you have the priest and you have the infrastructure.
Are they going to the priests?
Sometimes they talk to people who are in the church, but just like with secularists, they'll also just call directly to the housewife.
They don't do that.
They do do that.
As part of a sample size, Pew will call people and literally ask them a series of questions to make a determination on their answers.
How many people give similar answers to come up with data?
Of course they do.
Okay.
Okay, then give me the alternative for how this is done.
You figure out the stats on how the doctors are prescribing antidepressants.
You figure out how many people are starting to go to therapy compared to how many were years ago.
You do all these different things.
Yeah, but how would you determine individually who's unhappy and who isn't?
How would you determine individuals?
By asking them like they do.
Okay.
I will say that.
I don't really understand where you're going.
My point is, is that if we look at the outcomes, you speak out of both sides of your mouth.
You say it's not because of Christianity, but it's because of Christianity.
Then when we look at the outcomes, I say the outcomes in this group, far better for everybody.
You say, that's not because of the religion.
It's almost like not everything's black and white and there's nuance.
That's why I'm happy getting the nuance.
It might be because of Christianity and other things might not.
Well, which things do you think may not be?
I think the fact that the stats show that they're happier and the fact that they're getting divorced less, I think that is because their society and a very, very Christian one.
I'm not talking about a very secular society where there's some Christians.
Sure.
I'm talking about a devout Christian society where everybody is practicing very devoutly.
In that sort of society, they're not.
Hey, Doc, you're 100% right on all.
But criticism, you're talking to low-IQ children focused only on emotion.
At home/slash laughing will not teach them even if their opinions are laughable.
Just my 19,900 cents.
Thank you for those 19,900 cents.
Remember that this audience is also full of simps and they don't like seeing women uncomfortable.
But anyway, go ahead.
Whatever.
This community is filled with people who believe in very similar values, and those values tend to be no divorcing, no therapy, therapy is bad, no antidepressants, these things are bad.
And so all of the other stats that people would usually be able to base off in order to determine, is this community happy?
Hang on, hang on.
Wait, are you saying that the Christian community says that it's bad to be on antidepressants and it's bad to go to therapy?
More devout Christian communities believe that, from my understanding, maybe I'm wrong.
I don't think that's true.
That's absolutely wrong.
I will say that when you do accept Jesus into your life, I mean, you're actually right, just so you know.
Yes, it is true that they often don't have to go to therapists because they have the infrastructure of therapy there.
They have their priests, they have their community.
They need it less.
And what ends up happening is, yes, you can make these determinations based on what these people are self-reporting.
And you can look at their outcomes versus the rest of the population.
That's how you would do the happiness index globally.
You would look at the outcomes.
Who has the houses and who's living with food in their belly?
Blah, blah, blah.
You would add all that to a happiness index.
Why wouldn't you add that same type of thing when it came to outcomes for individuals?
Of course you would.
For individuals, I just like when you're talking about individuals, it's like a little bit hardware.
When you're talking about a community, that's different, right?
If we're talking about a Christian community versus like a regular secular community.
Yeah, but it's made up of individuals.
Yeah.
So we're just looking for averages.
When you're talking about one individual, you can't.
I'm not talking about one individual.
We're talking about an entire community.
We are talking about the community.
That's the point.
But the point is, within this community, these individuals seem very much more well-adjusted than other individuals.
I think that's a lot of that, I think, is because, first of all, Christianity, but other things is that I don't know, but I'm saying because Christianity denounces certain ideas like divorce and therapy and whatever.
But also, I do think that because Christianity promotes the nuclear family, which I actually do think is a great thing, that also helps a lot.
It's too bad that feminism doesn't.
I don't necessarily think that's true.
I think feminism just promotes that men and women are equal.
Would you like me to read the quotes of the famous feminists who say that the nuclear family needs to be destroyed and eradicated?
I've taken it too far, and I would disagree with them, but just because I'm a feminist doesn't mean I have to agree with every feminist take.
Yeah, but in order to achieve egalitarianism, you'd have to remove the nuclear family because the nuclear family requires patriarchy.
No, it doesn't.
It does.
No, it doesn't.
Okay, so the nuclear family does not require a mom who stays at home and a father who works.
Even if it does, that's not patriarchy.
But then what is it?
They can still treat each other with respect.
Respect has nothing to do with patriarchy.
If you were in charge of a family, what do you consider patriarchy?
All it means is home of the father.
It just means a society run by men.
Yeah, patriarchy means a society run by men.
It doesn't mean your house can't be, a man can't be ahead of a household.
Yeah, he can.
Then it would be a patriarchal household.
No, it wouldn't.
Then who runs it?
The man can be a household.
How can a man be ahead of a household but not run it?
Because he's making all the money, but that doesn't mean he has to not take any word from his wife and just do whatever.
I'm pretty sure he's supposed to just lead the family.
Wait, wait, wait.
I'm so confused.
Is he in charge of the household?
No, they're both in charge.
Oh, they're both in charge.
Okay, so then he has more say over certain things and she has more say over certain things, right?
They're both in charge.
She has more say, for example, over the children.
What should the children do?
Should the children do this?
Should children.
So you think that if you think that the nuclear family family family family has more say over the money because he's making the money.
If you think that the nuclear family is the backbone of society, okay, do you think that?
I would say having two parents' presence is the backbone of society.
I wouldn't necessarily say one has to stay home.
I would think that it's better.
Well, it's optimal, right?
Yeah, definitely.
Okay, so I mean, if you're going off of what's optimal, if we look at the society in which nuclear family was most present, definitely the men were in charge of those households.
I don't think it has to be that way.
Okay, maybe not, but they definitely were.
Okay, but it doesn't have to be.
Okay, but even if not, can you acknowledge that they were?
Yeah.
And that that worked great.
That was how history was.
And that that worked for them.
Disagree that differently.
So then you don't really believe that the nuclear family, you just want what you want is some kind of bizarre equality.
No, I agree in a nuclear, I believe in a nuclear family.
However, it only works if the parents who are leading the family are the father.
Whatever.
Are both well-adapted, adjusted individuals who are emotionally mature and respect each other equally.
If that's not happening, then your nuclear household is going to be a toxic household where both parents are just fighting.
It's a weird time.
And you keep on conflating this idea of leadership and respect.
This is very strange.
So when you say respect each other equally, right?
What do you mean by that?
I mean, respect should be going both ways.
Yeah, I get that, but I'm not sure what you mean by equally.
Like how you expect her to respect you, you should be respecting her.
Like, for instance, let me give you just a quick, easy example.
Okay.
Say a man gets home from working and he walks in and his wife has leaned over a stove and he gives her a nice open palm, smacked the ass, right?
And she goes, don't do that.
And he goes, hey, shut up.
And he goes and he sits down and he drinks his beer and blah, Right?
Next day she comes in, she does the same thing to him, right?
And he goes, don't ever do that again.
Right?
Is that the kind of equality you're talking about?
I think in your scenario, if the husband properly respected his wife, if she said, don't do that again, he'd say, oh, I'm sorry, I didn't mean to bother her.
And then she wouldn't do that.
Okay, so then if they have a financial dispute and he says, I want the money to go here, and she says, no, I want it to go here.
He's making the money, so I think he should probably have the say.
If they have a child dispute, I want my child to go to this school.
You want your child to go to this school.
Got it.
So she takes over the children and where they go to school, and he makes the financial decisions.
Yeah.
Okay, so they probably make those decisions together.
So she gets an inheritance from her mother of $100,000.
Does he get to decide where that goes?
No, that's her money.
No, that's her money, right?
He's making the money.
That's why he has to say.
She's raising the kids.
Right, right.
That's her money.
Why isn't it his money?
Why isn't it the money that he's making her money?
It is.
He's literally taking care of the entire family with it.
Okay, then why shouldn't she get a say over it?
What do you mean?
Because, first of all, he can go to his wife and you can say to your wife, you know, she can come to you with these very important things.
If you're with somebody and you're talking to somebody and you genuinely respect them, if they get $100,000 from their parent, you're not going to want that money.
And if they respect you, they're going to want to share it with you regardless.
What if you do want the money?
I mean, if you want the money more than you care about them as a person, then you just need to work with them.
I don't understand.
If you want to keep the money more than you care about your spouse as a person.
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
Respect needs to go both ways.
They shouldn't expect to get the money.
And the other person is not.
I'm saying that the respect doesn't go both ways, but what we're trying to get to is if there's a dispute in the household, there's only two people.
One has to make the ultimate decision.
Yes, but if two people are working as a team, if two people are working as a team, it's not necessarily so spiteful, right?
There doesn't have to be a decision.
I'm not saying it's spiteful nor adversarial.
I'm saying someone has to make the ultimate decision which together.
Because they fundamentally disagree on something.
Okay, so give me an example of what they fundamentally disagree.
Here's a great example.
So a husband says, I want the kid to go to a Christian school.
It's 20 minutes further.
Okay.
And she says, you know, in the morning, I don't want to drive the extra 20 minutes.
And he says, you know what?
It's super important to me that he goes to a Christian school.
It's part of the faith, the family.
I need you to do this.
And she says, no, I don't want to do it.
It's too much work.
Something like this.
Right?
Who's the tiebreaker?
I mean, that's like unreasonable.
Obviously, she's going to take the kid to school, right?
Like, if she's putting up a fight because she doesn't want to take the kid to school because it's just too far, like, that's a little bit ridiculous.
Absolutely.
Okay, now he says, I want to take our investment savings and start a business, and it's risky.
It's mitigated risk, but I still want to start the business anyway so I can follow my dreams.
Does he get to do that?
Yes.
I definitely think they should make that decision together because if he fails.
But they can't agree.
Yeah.
Well, if he fails and he does it anyway.
Yeah, I know, but they can't agree.
Okay, so if they don't agree, he obviously can do it anyways.
But if he fails, you understand she holds it against him.
I understand he can, but what I'm asking about is should.
So what I'm saying is, if, oh, stop.
Yeah.
If a person, if they cannot agree, they can't agree in this context.
They're fighting about it.
They're worrying about it.
They can't figure it out.
Somebody has to be the decision maker.
In that case, do you defer to him?
It depends on the context is what I keep saying.
I just gave you the context.
Right, so in that context, yes, you defer to him.
If he fails, it's on him.
You can blame him for it.
But it does affect you, right?
Of course it's going to affect you.
Okay, so I don't understand where the equality is then.
What do you mean?
We literally have to say that.
Well, if it's always just a deferral to the man, where's the equality?
Yeah, I'm trying to test the logic.
It depends.
It's a nuanced thing, right?
A lot of these are nuanced.
You have a very basic and collective take on everything.
It's like all men are this and all women are this and this is.
I'm not giving a collective take.
When the real world is very gray, it's nuanced.
It's mixed with black and white.
It's not a very like this situation.
So then how come when I give you nuanced takes by giving you nuanced hypotheticals, you complain?
I didn't.
I just gave you a test.
So then back to this.
I'm so happy this is recorded.
Every single one of them, I gave it to you.
Yes, well, this is true, but this comes to our ultimate question then.
I can't figure out then what you mean by equal.
Equal means they work together.
They respect each other.
Yeah, but if ultimately it just comes down to the man makes the ultimate decision.
That's not ultimately what it comes down to.
Then how come every example I give you, it does.
Because that's not what happened, right?
It is what happened, right?
It's not what happened.
Every example.
Can you give me the scenario where you said the woman makes the choice in any of the hypotheticals I gave you?
I have a hypothetical where you slapped her on the ass and she said she didn't like it.
There you go.
You didn't say defer to her either.
I said you should listen.
She didn't like it.
Yeah, you said you should listen, but not the deferance.
What I'm asking is who makes the ultimate decision?
What's the woman?
Is it the man?
Stop.
Is it the man or is it the woman?
Because example I give you seems to defer to the man.
It depends on the context.
Yeah.
What should I do?
What should my child wear to school today?
Should we put him in the red shirt or the blue shirt?
Oh, I don't know.
The wife will make that decision.
What should we eat for dinner today?
Should it be pizza or should it be lasagna or should it be, I don't know.
My wife will make that decision.
Should the house be done in this way or should whatever?
Blah, blah, blah.
I don't know.
So let's assume for a moment that he tells her, no, we're not having lasagna tonight.
Should he be deferred to?
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Not a simp, but prefer progress over the unintelligible cackling status quo.
Anyway, panel question.
If a family loses their home, does it look worse on the man or woman?
Maybe reason for hierarchy.
If the man loses, he's asking, like, if it goes into foreclosure, loses their home.
I guess he's saying, like, if a man loses their home, it's the man's fault.
He's trying to establish that the man is the head of the household because if they lose their home, people are going to say that's the man's fault.
They're not going to say, oh, the wife failed the family day.
It's very nuanced and situational.
If she's drunk on a Tuesday and she lights the house on fire, probably her fault.
Yeah, definitely her fault.
Absolutely.
We can all agree there.
We were having to the viewers, apparently this was YouTube-wide.
There was some weird viewership glitch.
Our viewer count was up at like 10,000, almost 10,000, and then it dropped to like 200.
It happened a little earlier on in the stream.
Now it looks like it's recovering.
There was also some weird chat issue going on where people couldn't send messages in the chat.
I was freaking out.
My YouTube channel wasn't loading.
I was like, oh, fuck, did we get banned during the live stream?
I think everything is okay now, but it did dip, went back up, and dipped again.
I'm hoping it's fully fixed now.
Unfortunately, I think we lost a lot of organic viewers in the process, so I think it's all fixed.
Anyway, I just want to finish this exchange real quick.
Yeah.
So I'm trying to figure out in context, when the man inside of the nuclear family has a fundamental disagreement, when you think he should defer to the woman, and if he doesn't defer to the woman, right, is it worth breaking up the household over the fact that he won't defer?
So you're asking me what exactly scenarios he should defer to the woman?
No, I'm asking you inside of the scenarios where whatever they are that you believe he should.
Okay.
Because you're like, they got to be equal, right?
The lasagna is her responsibility.
He needs to shut his mouth, right?
Yes.
On that lasagna, but he doesn't want lasagna.
He doesn't want lasagna.
He's more of a spaghetti and meatball.
Hang on, hang on.
He's more of a spaghetti and meatballs guy.
More of a spaghetti meatballs guy.
He's like, no.
Okay, she wants the lasagna.
No.
But she wants lagagags.
Yeah, I know, but he says no.
And she's cooking the lasagna.
Yeah, I know.
He's not cooking both of these ladies.
But he walks in and he says, well, then fine.
No grocery money for the f ⁇ ing lasagna.
Okay, and what are we doing?
Are we trying to think she should be able to do that?
I'm trying to figure out ultimately, right?
A relationship doesn't work when you're trying to be like, you do this and you do this and I'll do this.
Like, that's not how it works.
I agree.
I'm not disputing this.
It shouldn't be.
But what I am saying is if you come down to a tiebreaker, you have to have somebody who is the decision.
It depends.
If it's the woman cooking the meal and she wants lasagna, she should be the one who's making the decision.
If he's making the money and he decides he wants to go gamble his money away and risk it on a business and whatever, he's the one making the money.
I think the man has the ultimate say, personally.
So you need to think if she wants to make lasagna for dinner and he wants spaghetti, she should make spaghetti.
Yeah, absolutely.
Did he work all day?
But why shouldn't he or she make what she wants to do?
But also on a case-by-case basis, a good man is not going to come home and see that his wife has slaved away making lasagna and say, throw it away and make me a good man.
But if you have probably wouldn't do that.
That's not what we're saying, though.
We're not saying that.
What we're saying is ultimately, all I'm asking, all I'm trying to get at is that inside of a relationship, you do, especially inside of a marriage, there are going to be problems that come up where there's going to be perhaps irreconcilable differences on decision-making.
It doesn't mean that a person can't consult you or you can't consult them or this type of thing, but somebody has to make the ultimate choice between the two of you.
Right.
I just assume that.
Don't you think that that should be the man if it's a nuclear family dynamic?
No, I think it still depends on the context.
Okay, so.
But like they said, ideally, if you're marrying a man anyways who's going to be respectful to you, then it doesn't matter, right?
Like if you can treat him however he wants to be treated and he'll give you the energy back because he loves you too, right?
And then you'll get everything you need because you're being a good husband and wife.
I mean, whatever, and she's being a good wife, right?
But if he's being toxic and he still wants her to submit, then I have a problem.
Yeah, but that's a subjective metric for toxicity, right?
So like the things that you would consider toxic would be basically anything that you just don't like.
Not true.
What do you think of controlling behavior would be toxic?
What do you think what?
Controlling behavior would be toxic.
Yeah, controlling how like what's an example of controlling?
Like you tell your wife to make spaghetti when she wants to make lasagna.
Why would that be controlling?
It's just a matter of your preference, right?
Yeah, but if she always makes you, I mean, makes dinner, let's say, every single day, right?
And then she wants to make lasagna one day because she's really craving lasagna, and you're like, no, you're going to make dinner.
It's like, what is she?
So where do we delineate between preference and control in this sense, right?
If your husband doesn't want you to go fuck another guy, is he being controlling?
No.
Okay.
That would be an enforcement of preference, right?
Yes.
So where do we draw that line?
It depends on whether you're being...
It's subjective, right?
No, not really.
I think God draws the line.
Yeah, sure.
The line is based on where, like, your behavior, right?
If a woman is being very, very promiscuous out and about, and then a man, her husband says, don't do that, that's fair.
I don't think that's a good idea.
Wait, can I give you a question?
Yeah, but you're not telling me where that line is between where it becomes controlling and where it's no longer controlling.
The part where it's controlling is when you're telling her to do something that no longer impacts you as a person, but you're your spaghetti impacts you.
That doesn't really impact spaghetti.
It does really impact you.
Well, hang on.
Let me say this.
Let me say this.
That's my whole point.
It does.
It doesn't really impact you.
But hang on, but it does.
But this is a point.
I mean, like, impacts you emotionally.
If we're going from the limited amount.
Well, it makes no sense, though.
That's because we're engaged in the conversation.
We got hours of this.
Relax.
We'll get over it.
Well, I know we're all about to leave, though.
Like, none of us are feeling it.
Oh, God.
Fine.
We'll move it on.
Sorry.
Please.
And thank you.
You guys just don't agree.
You got that.
Okay.
And then it is what it is at that point.
Yeah, I don't think anyone's going to be changing many of their opinions, so we can just say our opinion.
It's not for you guys to change your guys' opinions.
We have Scott here, girl with the glasses.
You think men and women should be equal within marriage?
Then sign a prenup before marriage.
Signing a prenup shows that what's yours is yours and his is his.
I bet you won't.
Oh, you bet wrong.
Well, also, just heads up to all the men who are perhaps being convinced into a marriage when it comes to a prenup.
I'd highly encourage you to, one, research the laws in your state, in your country.
And also, I'd encourage you to consult with an attorney because even if there's a prenup, prenups get challenged, they get thrown out.
Also, that which, my understanding, even with a prenup, if I have my understanding of the law correct, it can only really address, in terms of the money that's going to be coming in, it can only address your pre-marriage, your pre-marriage money.
Once you get married, it's all community property from there on out.
I think that's my understanding.
So if you get married and then you go on to make a fuck ton of money, the money that you made in the course of the marriage will, I don't think it's subject to the prenup.
That's my understanding.
You may want to consult with an attorney on that.
We do have, let's see what we have here.
Let's get into some of the pre-show notes here.
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So we're going to get into some of the pre-show notes here, and there's quite a lot.
So I want to try to get through it fairly quickly.
The first thing I have to do, we missed two Super Chats previous show.
I'm going to do them now.
This is a question from Ian.
He says, to the ladies, all things being equal, if a guy makes $160K a year, great personality, personable, but is vegan, would you consider it a red flag?
What is being vegan?
Hey, yo, Marcus.
Thank you for the gift of 20 memberships.
So I guess is being vegan a red flag?
Would you date somebody who's a vegan?
Yeah, I totally would.
The true host.
It's not a red flag, but I would date someone who's vegan.
It's not a red flag, but it'd probably be a little annoying.
I say it's a red flag.
Men need to eat meat and work out and be strong.
I'd say it's not a red flag.
I mean, like, do what you want.
If you have to eat a specific way, that doesn't define who you are.
That's a red flag going back to the lasagna conversation.
If I'm going to be the one cooking the meals and I'm going to have to now go vegan, no, that's a red flag.
And I like what Lindsay said.
They're definitely providers and protectors and they need to be fueling their body.
I don't need like a soy boy, you know?
I don't think it's a red flag.
I mean, it will be absolutely annoying, and that sucks.
But ultimately, I mean, there's way worse red flags.
And then another missoup chat we had here from Kyle Kelsey.
He wanted to resubmit as the following question.
Would you date a blue-collar man like a truck driver?
I don't think so.
Why not?
She only dates trees.
I'm more into like artists and stuff like that.
So for me personally, I don't think that I would want someone like that.
Yeah, if he's a good man.
Or woman, whatever your orientation.
Blue-collar woman.
If he's nice and cute, yeah.
Okay.
Yes.
I mean, yes, it depends, but yeah.
Absolutely, hands down, as long as he's hardworking and provides for my family.
Absolutely.
Yeah, I would agree.
It'd be a yes.
Just depends.
Yeah.
All right.
It's a hard job.
Let's see.
Where are we going to start here with the pre-show notes?
Why don't we start with our good friend Alien or Gertrude?
So, oh, also, I should have done this during the intro.
You have a tongue split.
Yeah, I have my tongue split.
Did you want to see it?
Yes.
Yeah, you can show us.
Oh, my goodness.
Man, that's crazy.
Your muscles still work.
Yeah, I got it done during Christmas.
You.
Oh, okay.
Yeah.
Deplorable dude donated $199.
Brian, you are right about the prenup.
X. If you get prenup, then start a successful IT company post-nup, then get cheated on a divorce with no kids, you can still get screwed.
Ask me how I know.
Oh, he's like $600,000.
How do you know, deplorable dude?
Deplorable dude.
This guy's...
How do you know?
Did you have a...
Did you have a prenup?
Did you start a successful IT company?
Did you get divorced?
Did she initiate the divorce?
Was there, you know, what was the reason?
Yeah.
Let us know for $200 more.
Now, I will say, this actually, you know, you could just avoid these situations entirely.
This is where me and Andrew disagree a bit.
You could just not get married and avoid the entire dilemma.
You don't believe in marriage?
Nope.
What the heck?
Well, hold on.
The feminist disagrees with me on this.
This is a bit confusing.
I mean, I like marriage.
Yeah, I want to have a family.
What does that mean?
Why do you have a marriage?
Well, hold on.
I'm just curious.
I'm like, it's genuine.
I'm not sure if I can do it.
I don't want to build a family.
Well, hold on.
So you're not religious, right?
Do you think you only can be married to build a family then?
No, but I'd rather be married to my husband.
But why?
Yeah.
Because I wanted to.
Me and Ivory are a team right now.
Yeah.
I want to be like, I just want it to be like a family.
I don't know.
Like, it's not really a family.
But it can still be a family.
What's the difference?
I mean, I guess I, like, you don't necessarily have to get like married in a court, I guess, a lot.
But, I mean, in my head, but you're not religious, are you?
I'm not religious.
So then where would you get married?
In a church?
No, I'm saying, like, if you just don't believe in marriage as a concept, but you want to live together and raise kids, whatever.
Like, to me, that's the same thing.
You're basically married and everything but the title.
Well, the only difference is, though, is if you do get married, one, there's going to be perhaps an expectation to spend tons of money on a ring.
You're going to have to spend tons of money on a ceremony.
Even if you don't, there still is the ceremony.
And then there's the legal ramifications of the marriage.
So you want a family, but you just don't want to get married.
Yeah, but you're going to justify why you should get married.
What?
I like all of that.
I like the whole societal thing.
I like the wedding and the ring.
You can have a wedding.
Who's spending the money?
The actual marriage license.
Normally, from my experience, normally it's the parents that split it.
But that's because where I'm from.
Marriage did start for religious reasons, though.
Well, okay.
So.
So what's the, like, what do you get from marriage?
Like, I get what they're saying.
Marriage is a beautiful thing.
I just, I disagree.
I would want to get married.
I'd want to have.
That's fine.
I'd want to have that.
And I don't actually.
Just because of the wedding, you just want the wedding?
No, it's just everything.
Like, I want it to be in.
I want to have his last name.
I want it to be in paper that we're officially.
And you can have his last name.
You can have all of that.
Interesting.
I mean, not legally.
Legally.
Yeah, you can.
You can have his last picture.
You can just go change your name to his last name.
I want cheaping on paper.
So that's legal.
You want a legal certificate of marriage.
You want to be legally bound.
We can file our taxes.
It should be together.
You can file together.
You still can.
I don't know.
Yeah, I joined.
I don't know.
I just like the marriage thing.
I want to get married.
Why?
Because I like it.
Do you think it's that superficial?
So you like love?
Usually there's some reasons.
Well, with the marriage part in particular, there's not, right?
That's just I like it.
But like the family part, I want to be in a family.
No.
The way you're viewing marriage, that's what I'm talking about.
Okay, it's new.
Deplorable dude donated $199.
I also disagree with a dog on this now due to most present-day women.
Don't worry about the $200 sleeves.
I did the good parts again.
That's not important, though.
Just trying to help the tribe.
Did I just get nickel series?
Thank you, deplorable dude.
Deplorable dude.
Hey, thank you, man.
Appreciate it, man.
Appreciate it.
Thank you.
I don't know if we got any details there about the whole marriage situation.
I mean, I actually don't object to marriage from a religious perspective.
In fact, I really think the only scenario in which people ought to get married is if they are religious.
I don't really see the benefit, at least from the breadwinner's perspective, which typically tends to be the man.
I don't really see the benefit there given the financial risk.
So, I mean, look, you can still have your secular marriage, but to me, I don't see the point.
And you can certainly still have a family because you could stay with one person forever, be monogamous, have children, never split up.
But then essentially, you just don't trust them because you're not going to make it.
No, you just, perhaps you have an objection to the state being involved in your role.
Well, that would work both ways too, right?
You say, I demand that you marry me because otherwise you don't trust me.
You say, I demand you don't marry me because otherwise you don't trust me.
That's actually a really good point.
Really good point.
That would be the same thing with the marriage.
I guess it's just an agree to disagree thing.
Like, you can, I'm sure, find a girl who doesn't want to get married, but I will find a guy who does.
That's totally fine.
That's totally flop.
We're not taking away the preference for you.
I'm looking for anything that you might have had that might have been outside the preference, and it doesn't sound like there is anything.
What?
We were just looking to see if there's anything outside of it's just my preference and there's not.
Oh, no, it's just anyways.
Moving on.
Starting with our good friend Alien here.
Let's see.
You said that you've dated.
You haven't really dated anyone since most people reject you because of your looks.
Is that you get rejected a lot?
Yeah, I get rejected.
I feel like there's guys that are kind of God.
There's tons of guys that got to be into it.
Oh, yeah, totally.
I have like, my DMs are full, but it was like, for the most part, like when it comes to like being serious and stuff like that, like people have this, they can't take me home, basically, to their families.
It might be a hard pitch.
It could be hard pitch.
I have had people tell me that.
Ever thought of like, wait, if you take those out, will it they close up?
Like, you have to keep them in like 24-7, basically.
Yeah, basically.
Okay.
Can I ask you what prompted you to do all of that?
Oh, I just like it.
Like, I don't know.
I just one day I got a couple piercings and then I was like, I'm gonna stop whenever I feel like they don't look good on me.
And then here I am.
I still have a shit time.
Okay, but it sounded like earlier when we were talking about your relationship status, you I mean, I'm not gonna talk about the tree stuff anymore, but you said you were kind of seeing a couple people.
It sounded like ish, yeah.
I just got over being like celibate, basically.
What do you mean, you just got over being celibate?
Yeah, I was celibate for a while.
How long?
Um, maybe two years.
Wait, hold on.
I thought you said six years.
You were celibate for two years?
Yeah.
And that, when did your celibacy end?
Um, it kind of like took a break here and there.
Hold on, hold on.
You can't claim celibacy.
So it's like if you have sex, like you can't claim two years, but in between the two years.
Can I explain?
Okay.
Because like the first time around, I wouldn't have done it, but then I had a sugar daddy and he was paying me more money for being celibate.
So therefore.
When he was paying you money to not fuck him.
So he gave me a lot of people.
Or to not fuck other men.
To not fuck other people, basically.
But him?
Yeah.
That's not celibacy.
Yeah.
No, it was.
I was celibate for a whole year.
I was celibate for four years before he offered me a lot of people.
Wait, but hold on.
And by the way, too, if a man is giving you money to only have sex with him, isn't that prostitution?
I mean, it depends.
Yes.
It depends on the relationship.
Well, I mean, if I paid a woman to have sex with me, that would be prostitution, right?
Relationship.
It wasn't just like a random thing.
But it's a relationship where he was paying you not to fuck other dudes and only him.
Relationships.
Relationships don't pay you for sex.
Yeah.
I mean, I wasn't the one that was getting, you know, fucked all the time.
So I was like, wait, hang on, wait, why don't you explain that?
So like, I had my sugar daddy was also, like, he had other sugar babies, and then like my friend was his other sugar baby.
So she will always be there.
And he would have sex with her, and I would just get extra money for basically being there most of the time.
So you became a pimp.
You went from prostitution.
No.
Like, I've done it with him a couple of times, but it's not like.
Did your friend know that you were making money if he would have sex with her?
Oh, yeah, she knew.
And I will always tell her, like, I feel bad.
Like, I feel bad.
Like, I'm getting like this in my life.
I would hope so.
Yeah.
I was like, I, it's because he was having sex with her more.
Like, hang on, you were getting paid for your friend to have sex with your sugar daddy.
So you were her pimp, and she wasn't getting a cut of it.
She actually invited me over to him.
So she was your pimp.
So you were getting paid to watch.
I was getting paid to go.
She was a pimp.
She was a fish hangout basically.
While also being celibate.
I would encourage both of you to no longer do that.
Okay.
Wait, so hold on.
You've also, you mentioned here, you've had wild, threesome experiences where you got, oh, is this the this is this what you were just talking about?
You said you got two friends who saw each other as bros to participate.
Yeah.
Oh, so devil's threesome.
Yeah, so we were at a party at my friend's house, and I was like, let's get fucked up.
And then eventually I started making out with this guy and then his friend was there as well.
So I was like, I know you guys are friends, but and I know you want to fuck, but if you're not going to have a threesome with me, then I'm also not going to fuck you at all.
And he was like, begging his bro, like, let's do this, please.
The guy was begging his friend.
So you put that condition down?
So they were gay.
No.
No, so you put the condition down.
I'll only do this if your friend has sex with me.
I'll only do a threesome.
Like, is it like the whole threesome or are you just getting my cool man?
I like Ivory cause she actually everyone.
But Alien was a freaky freak back in our day.
She need to sit up straight though.
It's bothering me that she has a hunch in her back.
Is this your sugar daddy?
Hi, Alex.
Oh, that's Alex.
Yeah, that's not his own name, so.
Okay.
You're the sugar daddies in the chat.
Okay.
Interesting.
That's funny.
Does he have like all the weird shit all over him, too?
Oh, no.
He's funny.
Oh, boy.
He's what?
He's a plain guy.
Plain?
Plain?
Yeah.
Plain.
Wait, like of the guys that you fuck, like, are they like their race, like, typically white guys?
Oh, yeah, for the most part.
I kind of got that.
I don't know why I just had this intuition that it's like, is it kind of like nerdy white dudes?
No, it's not because of like that's who comes to me.
It's more so the people that I reject and that's they end up being the most that like are respectable to me.
Sorry.
Okay.
You also said that you've driven 12 hours to go see a man because you're scared of planes.
Yeah, so there was this guy that I was like in love with at one point.
I drove like 10, like no, not even 10.
It was like 15 hours and spent like $10,000 to go see this man just for him to like be texting other bitches in my Airbnb.
And then him get mad at me for talking about, well, talking to another guy when I found out that he was actually talking to one of them.
You also had a story of you kind of wrecking a marriage.
What happened there?
Oh, yeah.
I was kind of text, like, texting a guy.
And his wife ended up hitting me up one day and was like, you're a fucking whore.
You knew he was married?
Yeah, but it wasn't like we were flirting or whatever.
What do you mean?
Hang on.
No, no, no.
There's like no excuse to be with another man's woman with her husband.
But what were you texting about then?
Huh?
What were you, what was there to discuss?
And how did you meet him?
There's like so many aspects there.
I met him at his place of work and he does a lot of traveling for work.
So there was at a point where he had posted on Instagram like, hey, I need help, blah, blah, blah.
And I went and picked him up from the airport and that was all that happened.
So she got mad about that and came and attacked me and the other girl that he was actually.
You broke up a marriage, but you didn't actually do anything?
Yeah, I didn't do anything.
You picked him up from the airport, that's it.
That was a part of.
But another girl, he was cheating and another girl had.
Yeah.
He was with another girl.
Yeah, it wasn't me.
You also said you wanted to talk about, as far as dating topics, how to manipulate a man.
Oh my God.
No, please.
I did not mean it like that.
That's what you said.
That's what you said in your show notes.
You said you want to talk about how to manipulate.
I forget that I said that.
Why, we can't forget what it's about to your memory.
I can't do that.
We gotta, you know, stick to the truth.
I don't know.
I don't think I'm personally manipulative.
I know that I can do certain things.
You know what I mean?
Stop the cow.
I know, like, I got one guy to fall in love with me just because I started giving him a bunch of, like, love letters.
Just because I wanted to see if I could do it, but that's like.
I'd say that's manipulative.
Have you ever had a relationship where you were emotionally invested in someone?
Yeah.
Yeah.
The guy, the situation ship that I was just talking about, I spent like $10,000 on him, drove like at least five, six, seven times, 15 hours just to go and see him.
I knew him basically since I don't want to say a kid.
I was a minor, but like he didn't know of me.
Was he a minor?
It's because of his like place of work.
But what kind of what value do you think you bring to a relationship?
Me, I think I bring everything because I'm not asking and attacking.
I want to know, you seem like you're just giving it away for nothing, and I feel like you need to have more value.
Yeah.
And no, and I understand that.
I have actually like, what is it called?
I don't know.
I have like neurodivergent stuff that goes on in my brain.
So I have a hard time like being able to distinguish like value from people, which I was just actually talking to my best friend about this because he helps me kind of gauge like how people treat me.
You know what I mean?
Do you understand what I'm getting at?
Do you have a diagnosis?
Yeah, so they're looking for a BPD right now.
Other than I have anxiety, depression.
And I don't know.
You're nodding, but you don't believe in psychology.
Let's not rehash this offset.
Let's not rehash the conversation.
But actually, I do believe in psychiatry.
But that's sad.
And that's a different conflict.
Actually, one crazy thing related to the whole therapy thing.
On YouTube Shorts, BetterHelp, which is, I guess, a website for you can do online therapy or something.
They have bad stuff.
One of the advertisements for BetterHelp, one of the therapists on there is in the ad, and she's like, I've been in therapy since I was six years old.
Has anybody seen that fucking ad?
How can you why?
Like, unless some like crazy shit went down, like, I think she was just like, her parents were like, do therapy.
It's not clear to me if there's like some catastrophic trauma, but that's crazy to just like throw your kid in therapy at six.
The reason I asked that.
I would agree.
Ideally, you just raise them well.
The reason I ask that question has nothing to do with my belief in psychology, psychiatry, or otherwise.
The reason I ask the question is because I note that when I ask most women the question of if they've been diagnosed with whatever the shit is that they say that they have, they usually say no.
Got it.
Okay.
Let's see.
You also.
So you don't want to talk about the manipulation stuff?
No, I'm okay on that.
You do little witchcraft?
Yeah, I do.
Little witchcraft involved in the manipulation?
Little black magic casting spells over there?
Not on other people, just on myself.
You do admit, though, you do at least admit that you do manipulate men.
We don't have to talk about it.
Yeah.
How do you define it?
I don't know if I'm excited.
Exactly for everyone.
I don't think anyone can be manipulative at all.
All right.
You also said that you get someone to go work out.
I don't know.
You said that you don't agree with most of our views, most of the views on the podcast.
Are there any that you specifically wanted to discuss?
I can't think of it right now.
Off the top of the head.
Anything?
I can come back to you, but you might have to remind me because we have a lot of genderism?
I don't fucking know.
Okay, well, I'm not, I don't really want to get too much down that one, but what is your self-ID?
Me, I'm she, they.
Can we do pronouns really quick?
Okay, fuck it.
She, they.
She, her.
She her.
Nope.
She her.
Wait, you don't have pronouns?
I don't do pronouns.
No.
What do I refer to you as?
Well, pronouns.
You look at me and you tell me it.
I us.
Go ahead.
That is a pronoun.
Yeah, I know.
Refer to me as I us.
Try it.
See how you do.
All right.
How are you, I?
Yeah, good us.
It's ridiculous.
Yeah.
So what do you, on this topic, is it the dating related stuff with the trans stuff?
Like, for example, the question I typically ask is, do you object to a man not wanting to date somebody who's trans?
Is that where you object or disagree?
No.
You're fine with that?
Yeah, I'm fine with that.
Okay.
Is it the sports stuff?
Yeah, like trans women shouldn't be.
I'm going to ask this just to ask, but what sex were you born as?
Not gender, but sex.
I'm a female.
Okay.
Okay.
All right.
Well, we're not going to get bogged down on that one.
You said that you had a sugar daddy pull out what on you.
Yeah, so I had two sugar daddies at one point.
They were friends.
I went over one of my sugar daddy's houses and I thought that they knew about the arrangement between me and the other person.
I ended up slipping and saying some shit and the one sugar daddy ended up pulling out guns on me while I was sleeping.
Yeah.
You said guns plural, so he had like two pistols?
Oh, no, no, no.
Like I woke up and he like called me out into this room and there was like a whole table, just a plethora of he picked up one and like I believe he pointed it at me at one point.
I was just like you look really emotional about this.
I feel like there's a lot in your life that you like haven't processed and so you're physically wearing it.
Would you say that's right?
I don't know what you mean.
Like when you talk about these things, physically wearing it emotionally and I mean you're piercing.
What is your origin story?
What in your life has pushed you to the interest of leading that sort of lifestyle and doing vast physically cosmetic gymnastics to yourself?
Who helped you?
You okay?
I'm fine.
I mean it's just that's right that's what I was getting at though.
I truly that's what I was getting at.
Like so you're asking me if I think that like I look like I got these piercings because of the trauma that I'm.
Yeah, instead of really dealing with the actual trauma, you're mutilating your body.
So it occurs to you just as much like piercing.
I just think I look cool.
I think I look they don't all you know that's just like that's what I hear all the time is that there's always an association whenever somebody's acting like a lunatic that it's because of trauma.
But it's not really just a lot of people.
Did I say that?
I'm not you.
Actually, that's directed.
I didn't say that.
I asked that.
I know, but what I'm saying is that it's a trend that I've noticed that people seem to think that there's always some kind of traumatic event.
Because there often is.
Well, I don't know.
That's debatable.
But I think that the kind of like what we would see is a loony behavior often from people just is look at me, attention.
Look at me, look at me, look at me.
And I think that the trauma thing is really just a cope.
I think that it's a lot of people just really want to have a lot of attention on themselves.
And that's what I'm saying.
But that comes from somewhere too, right?
I mean, maybe as a child, you didn't receive this type of attention.
Maybe, but I mean, I don't know.
I think some people just want that attention and they didn't have any kind of trauma.
A lot of them seem to come from houses where they have two parents and they say that, hey, I had a good upbringing, everything was great.
And then they do all sorts of sleeve tattoos or body art or things like this because they want to get the attention on.
It's a misperception that I see a lot that people think that it has something to do with trauma or abuse or something like that.
I think that that's a Hollywood angle.
I think to that extent, it seems like it.
But why don't you tell us, Alien?
Normal childhood.
I just likes it.
Cool, yeah.
I mean, I have both of my parents and stuff like that.
Are they still married?
No, they're not.
But they basically got a divorce later.
I was like 17 or something, so it didn't really affect me.
I don't know.
Like I said, I just like the way that it looks.
I know, like, as a kid, the internet was like kind of like just starting, and I was just always like googling things or whatever and just seeing like what's out there.
And I remember just seeing like people with pierced tongues or a bunch of piercings, split tongues, rip cage, like, you know, removed and stuff like that.
And I just thought it was really cool.
I mean, Andrew, I do think that certainly some people who enter these subgroups, like punk or goth or whatever.
I certainly think some of these people could be drawn to it for it could be trauma, but I actually agree with you that probably for some people, it's just an aesthetic thing.
They find it like it could be they, oh, it's cool aesthetic, or they want to.
Well, and it draws a lot of attention for attention, too.
So we do.
That's fine.
We have a chat here from Voss.
I got so lost several moments ago.
Wait, I'm so wait, wait, what?
Oh, come on.
You don't walk down the street.
Come on.
Teed me some more bullshit.
No, I'm so dead ass.
I don't like that.
I wish nobody would ever look at all of my millions of piercings and elf ears and green hairs.
Come on.
Let me explain.
Okay, I can't wait.
Just because, like, I had a whole debate in my head about this, right?
Because for me, it's like I want to get my ears pointed, like, surgically.
So I was wearing the elf ears just to be my authentic self.
You know what I mean?
Like, it's just something that so your authentic ears are actually pointing underneath the thing.
No, I wish.
Oh, then they're not authentic.
All right.
Well, which part of your authentic self is from Mirkwood?
Do you engage in with her?
She said yes.
Oh, you were in the bathroom.
That's Mirkwood.
Mirkwood.
Can you?
That's like home of the elves and Lord of the Rings.
Which part of your authentic self is the elf part?
All of me, I guess.
All of you?
Yeah.
So, I mean, this is what I mean: is like it's really super hard for me to believe.
Super hard to believe.
Okay, sure, some body art, some things like that, because you really like it.
But the whole thing has nothing at all to do with wanting attention.
No, not at all.
Then coming on the podcast was for huh?
Because I'm cute.
Because you want people to see it, right?
Guys, guys, let's not get bogged down.
I feel like maybe the thing that I, oh, I'm sorry.
I didn't realize that.
My bad.
What?
What?
Go ahead.
Go ahead.
I'm sorry.
I was going to say that I thought the reason that I mentioned the trauma was because of the tree thing.
That's not for attention.
That seems mentally unstable.
Seems like trolling.
Doesn't seem like trolling nonsense.
You know what I mean?
I mean, I'm going to have to do it.
I date this tree that sometimes I walk over and kiss the bark right there.
Like, there's the tree at the end of my road.
I took a guy to go and see him.
And yeah, like.
Voss, I got so lost several moments ago.
I understood a bit on both sides earlier.
I think this podcast rocks.
Don't have much, spend too much, but wants to support you guys.
Hey, Voss, really appreciate your patronage, man.
Thank you so much.
Thank you for tuning in.
And yeah, thank you for the message, man.
Really appreciate it.
Thank you.
Now, we have a few more notes here for you.
You also mentioned that you, hold on, you made out with a racist.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So there was this guy.
I met him through not my brother-ish, but kind of.
And yeah, like I just hit him up one day.
I was like, do you want to hang out?
Do you want to chill?
And we went out to eat, da-da-da.
And we went outside, we kissed, we pecked.
And then like later on, I was wondering if he wanted to do sexual things.
And he was like, I don't think I can make myself do it because you're black.
Yeah.
Cool.
Yeah.
Good times.
I was expecting a racial accusation without actual racial basis.
Yeah, me too.
Yeah.
But wait.
That's sad.
Is that racist or is it just a preference that he has?
I think preference is so stupid.
I think it's based on racism, honestly.
It sounds like it's just a, I mean, he didn't say any racial slurs or anything.
Personally, if your wife was black, right, would you not like want to be with her anymore because she's black?
Yeah, but if you had a preference, an aesthetic preference for somebody.
I mean, I typically, I don't have a preference.
Yeah, but you can understand that other people would.
It's like a guy saying, I don't want to sleep with you because you actually have a penis and you're saying that you're a woman.
That's a true story.
No, that's the same thing.
And then someone's like, well, you're transphobic.
No, then they're like some transphobic.
You're saying someone can't have a preference to someone's physical features when you're dating?
I mean, like, I mean, you totally can't.
Ideally, you want to be attractive to me.
You totally, but that's what I'm saying.
I'm just saying, like, so when it comes to skin color, it just, like, that's a weird thing for me.
You know what I mean?
But, I mean, I just don't understand what he did.
That was right.
I won't date a guy if he has, like, if I don't like his teeth, right?
Yeah.
But, like, I'm not going to be like, I'm not going to date you because you're fucking white or some shit.
No, I get it, but I don't understand if you have that preference, right?
Why can't another person have a different preference and say, I just don't want to catch you?
I mean, you totally can, but you're just racist.
Yeah.
Yeah, no.
No, no, no.
You can't call the race card.
It could just be a different person later told me it's because I was black.
Yeah, but I understand.
It could be anything else.
I totally understand that he said it's because you're black.
Yeah.
But that doesn't make that a racist remark.
You're saying he liked everything about you except that the fact you're black.
He told me that he didn't like everything about me.
He told me that personally, I was the most prettiest black girl that he's seen.
And that's it.
I hate that colour.
And so, yeah, I do.
Wait, so you guys, just to recap.
You guys were like hanging out individually?
Yeah.
And how far, like, you guys, you didn't make out or anything, right?
No, we just pecked.
So you did, wait, he kissed you, but he didn't want to do more because you were.
I asked him if he wanted to kiss, and he was like, sure.
And then eventually I asked him if he wanted to do more because I know.
But it says you made out with a racist.
Oh, did I?
That's what you said.
Okay, you pecked, but you're saying he didn't want to do more because he didn't want to do more because of your skin color.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's kind of weird.
Like, it's like, why even get to that point?
Starting with that.
Like, I'll hang out with you romantically.
We can kiss, but I, fucking is where I draw the line.
Maybe that man is inherently racist.
I'm not saying that having a preference, not having a preference or having a preference, but maybe that man is battling something inside where he thinks she's beautiful, but he has these racist ideologies.
I've been with him.
But that doesn't mean like, I'm not saying that you need to go like that.
No, wouldn't that be the same as going out with like, I don't know, a girl goes out with a guy who's way heavier than she normally would.
She goes to the date, she has fun, but then she's like, nah, rethink it, right?
Yeah, like, I don't want to have sex with that.
Yeah, right.
Isn't that kind of the same thing?
Well, skin, a black girl isn't that, but yeah.
No, Hang on, hang on.
No, I said I don't want to have sex with that to the to the guy that's like 300 pounds.
Okay.
But you can change that.
I can't change my skin unless you want me.
You want to buy me a colour.
Yeah, I get it.
I get it.
I get it, but okay, so not fat.
He has a hunchback.
He has a hunchback.
He's like the hunchback of Notre Dame.
And I'll give it a shot and you go out with him.
And then halfway through the date, you're like, yeah, we're not going to be doing anything.
You know what I mean?
But so, I mean, is that them being, I don't know, is that them being mean to disabled people or something?
I don't.
I don't know.
I mean, if you're asking me personally if I would do that to someone, I'm like, no.
We have a lot of notes to get through.
I have a few more with her.
If you guys have quick things you want to say to her, but let's not get too bogged down because I'm just, I want to get to everybody.
So you also said you hooked up with my friend's Tinder date.
Oh, yeah.
So me and my best friend, we were living together and stuff like that.
She told me that she didn't like white boys.
typically that's the people that i talk to so she was like give me she just gave me their date basically And we've been talking for the past couple of days.
Was that racist for her to say that?
She doesn't like white boys?
I mean, based on what you just said.
Yeah, I tell her all the time, like, why not?
Like, you know.
Okay.
You also, I mean, here's another.
Okay.
You said you had a quote-unquote boyfriend break up with you by saying he was a Nazi.
Oh, yeah.
So that was supposed to be my first relationship.
I met this kid on the bus and I would just.
As one does.
Yeah.
I was like.
Like the city bus?
Yeah, I was like 14 at the time.
And he was like at least 17, 18.
And he was.
Yeah.
He was graduating and stuff.
And I thought that we were dating because I asked him if we were dating.
He was like, yeah.
And then he got annoyed that I was like texting him every other day.
And eventually his way of breaking up with me was being like, I'm a fucking Nazi.
And yeah.
He was like, I'm going to come after your family.
And I was like, dude, you're Mexican.
Like, they're not even going to accept you into the war.
You know what I mean?
Wait, so he was a Mexican Nazi?
That's what he said.
I don't think he was an actual Nazi.
He just said that to me.
He used that as a pretext to end the relationship.
Because were you being like super clingy and shit?
And he was like, how do I get this chicken?
I was 14 years old.
You know what I mean?
It's kind of like the guys who like, they're trying to figure out how to break up with a girlfriend, so they'll just be like, yeah, I'm gay.
Like, and I feel like it makes the breakup easier, maybe.
I don't know.
Let's see.
You also said that I think last thing for you, you said you, well, back to the disagreement.
I disagree with majority of everything, religious views, body count views.
Let's not get too focused on religious stuff.
So are you, do you consider yourself atheist, though?
No, I consider myself spiritual.
So you believe in a god?
Yeah.
Okay.
Like Wicca?
Something like that?
No, I feel like my beliefs kind of align more with ancient hermetics.
You know, the Kabbalion type of stuff.
Of course.
Yeah, of course.
Of course.
I get it.
Yeah.
So the one thing you do disagree on that we can go into, you said you disagree with our view, my view, I don't know, the views on body count.
What specifically do you disagree with there?
Like, I agree with you because I know that you say that you don't really care or whatever because you already have a higher one.
I do.
Or that you do care.
I've never admitted that video.
Okay, so I've never admitted my body count.
And I do have an issue with high body count.
But you also said that you have a higher body count.
I just told you, I've never said that.
Never gave like an actual like number, but I've never even said it's high.
I've never even said it's a high body count.
I swear to God, I've nope.
Okay, trust me.
Whatever, from what I remember watching, you definitely did say that.
No, as somebody who sits on this podcast week in and week out, I'm very precise in what I say and I've never revealed my body count or even said that it's up there or it's high or any of that kind of language.
And I quote.
I can't quote because I don't have the fucking thing I quote, I can't quote.
I quote, but I don't quote.
I promise this is what you said.
Well, I can't promise, can't promise, but I promise.
That was epic.
I remember what you were saying is that you know that you would have a rough time getting married or having a partner, just because you have like, never said that either.
But, oh my god whatever, go ahead, go ahead, finish your thing, finish your thing.
No, I already said it.
I just I do blatantly remember.
Okay, but finish your quote, finish your quote.
What did I?
What do you think I said?
What do I think you said?
You said that basically, because of your body count or whatever, that you don't think that you'll be able to get married or find a I don't know high value woman or whatever.
I don't fucking know what I'm saying, but was it?
Did I say this recently?
It was, it was.
Did I say it recently?
How long ago, I don't know.
Don't know because I have, I have, a team here with me who not only just what I can tell you, but they can also.
You know, they probably don't memorize everything I say, but they probably have a sense of whether I've ever said that and I've never said.
I can tell you that you said it.
Just tell you, if you can find, I will pay you a hundred thousand dollars.
Hold on, let me wait.
Hold on, let me 100.
Yeah no, I'll pay you.
I'll pay you a thousand dollars.
If you can find a clip of me, verbatim verbatim, saying what you just said okay, I have never said that, but I'll pay you a thousand.
Can you guys shake on that right now?
Shake on that.
Would you like to shake on that?
I don't, I will.
It's on record legally, it's on record.
Does that mean that I have to give you a thousand?
You don't even have to pay me.
I just know you can't.
I'll pay you a thousand if you can find it.
And I'll even say this is not only am I saying this in jest, legally this will be a legally binding statement.
There you go.
Okay, I legally bind myself to paying you a thousand dollars if you find the clip.
Actually seal it like, seal the deal.
I've already.
I've already said I legally bind myself to paying you.
I'm not sure I'm gonna let him seal the deal with somebody who follows Crowley.
All right, you don't want to seal any deals with a follower of Crowley.
Yeah, I'm good, I'm too white to dab anyway.
So man no, no sealing deals.
Let's see here.
Okay, let's get into who do we have?
We're gonna go to Madeline Madeline, Madeline.
All right.
You said, now this is I think this is an interesting one your first boyfriend.
Do you want to tell us the story there of your first boyfriend?
I mean, I can yeah yeah, do it, it's just silly, okay.
So my first boyfriend in high school was he was a little older than me, he was like 17.
We met at a party.
I sadly lost my virginity to him and you know, just for some context, back then I was not the best version of myself.
You know, I wasn't doing things that were good for me.
I didn't have a great relationship with Christ.
Even so, that wasn't, you know, dictating my life.
But, um yeah, I lost my virginity to him at a party and we started dating after that.
It was not a good relationship.
Needless to say, he was a fighter.
I found out after he said, I don't know if this is true, but he claimed that he had killed multiple people.
That was 17 year old year old.
Wait, was he gang?
Was he in a gang?
Yes, he was in a gang.
I mean, I lived in Ohio.
If that says.
Rough gangs out there in Hawley, Ohio.
I don't know.
In certain parts.
Columbus.
But at the same time, he could have been lying.
I definitely think that he could have been lying.
But I know that he would get into fights a lot of the time, and he would go red.
He would say black out.
You saw him fight people?
I never saw it.
No.
But I didn't spend too much time with him.
Did you ever see him with a black eye or his knuckles all fucked up?
Yeah.
But I don't know how it actually played out because that was.
He killed.
How many people did he say he killed?
He never told me the number of people.
He said multiple, though.
He said multiple.
17-year-olds.
i mean it's if he's in a gang like it's possible but like what I don't know.
It's a bit dubious.
But okay, so.
And then what happened with your brother with him?
Oh, so my oldest brother, basically, the guy was threatening to fight my brother.
And so he pulled up to fight my brother, and my brother ran out with a machete to scare him away.
And that was the last time I ever saw him.
Okay.
And you were how old again when you met him?
15.
And you said you met him at the party.
Yeah.
You met him at the party and you were a virgin, correct?
Yeah.
And then that, so hold on, let's do a bit of a walkthrough here.
So from meeting him at the party, he was 17, you were 15, meeting him at the party, you're a virgin.
How quickly from meeting him to having carnal knowledge, sexual intercourse, what was the duration of time?
I can't even say, but I don't remember.
Were you drunk?
I wasn't drunk, but I know that we were talking for a really long time.
It was definitely towards the end of the night.
I don't have the specifics of the time.
Can you tilt your mic down just a little bit?
When you got to the party, was there still sun out?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Okay.
And then the sun was down.
I don't see why this matters so much.
Well, I'm just asking questions.
Okay.
Okay.
So you met him.
You're talking for a while.
I mean, how, what duration, what period of time elapsed from you first meet him to you guys were having sex?
I already answered that.
Basically, I don't have the time frame.
I mean, you were sober.
Most people remember their first time.
Yes, but it was years ago.
So much has happened in that time.
Yeah, but I mean, I feel like most people remember.
She wasn't her best version of this stuff.
Well, what does that have to do with your memory?
Can you give us an estimate?
One hour, two hours, three hours if you had to guess.
What does that mean?
I'm not going to answer that just because I feel like it doesn't matter so much.
Well, I mean, it's just a dating-related question.
It is interesting, the story of how one loses their virginity to their first boyfriend.
I would say that, yeah.
In any case, you did.
Okay, so you did say that night.
You met him at the party.
You guys had sex at the party.
Okay, so we'll just, can we say anywhere from one to three hours?
Sure, yeah.
Okay, and were you, question, like, was he just super attractive or were you kind of like looking to lose your virginity?
Honestly, yeah, I felt pressured into losing my virginity.
By friends?
Yeah, in society.
Not just female friends, but, you know, it was pushed on.
I had for a long time guys that would try to have me, you know, send photos of myself.
It was just definitely pushed on me.
And due to trauma that I endured at a young age, I also, you know, was looking for validation.
And part of me did see him as an attractive man.
It's not that he just wasn't attractive and I was just trying to lose my virginity.
It was more so it just was a happenstance.
It decided to happen at that point in time.
And I don't think that it's a good representation of who I am.
And I wouldn't, if I could go back and change it, I 100% would.
Yeah, and I mean, I certainly agree.
Like, I've heard from a lot of women on the show, and some even message me.
And they say that, like you said, they're pressured by society.
I've also heard a lot of their female friend group will pressure them to lose their virginity.
And these are girls who are in high school.
And part of the component that I think is happening there is they themselves have lost their virginity.
And they almost want to sort of, and perhaps they almost regret it to some degree.
And they want to justify it by encouraging their friend group, their social group, to also do it so they feel like perhaps less guilt.
But it's certainly the case that society pressures you, friend groups pressure you, especially kind of the degeneracy that is being pushed.
But so I do have one question.
I know you guys are in a relationship.
In the event that, you know, you know, knock on wood, I'm not hoping for anything, but in the event you guys break up, you did say you're bisexual, right?
Yes.
Like you would date men, you would date women?
Yes.
Okay.
Now, and it seemed like maybe you were a bit more averse to sex than you, like you're a bit more versed to sex, whereas you're a bit more open to it, but you're kind of fine with the not having sex thing.
Yeah, I mean, from the relationships that I used to be in, I was kind of forced into thinking that you had to have sex all the time for the relationship to even be okay.
Sometimes I was forced into it and thought that it was just okay.
So in my mind, I was trained to think that it was something I needed to do, but it's not something I like to do anymore.
So after realizing that I don't have to, I'm 100% okay with not.
I'm glad that I don't have to have sex all the time.
Or do you feel like it's a control thing too?
Like now you get to say, I'm not doing this anymore.
Yeah.
I mean, yeah.
All right.
So in the event, if you two were to break up and you were to date another woman, another man, would you, do you see yourself being inclined to have sex in that relationship?
Perhaps when you're, it sounds like you'd want to wait till marriage, if you were in a new relationship, correct?
Yeah, if I was.
And you would have sex in that new relationship.
If you're married.
Yeah.
After marriage.
Okay.
So you'd wait.
It's a little hypothetical.
Okay.
Okay.
Yeah, assuming, you know, who knows what goes on with this relationship.
But I feel like for a lot of men, that might be a, or even perhaps even women who are inclined to want to be, well, I suppose you would have to find somebody who shares your values in terms of wanting to wait until marriage.
But even then, I do feel like, at least from the guy's perspective on this, from my perspective on this, it would feel a little bit like a raw deal.
Like if you're, you know, if I, if there was a girl who say she had, I'm not saying this is your body count, she had the body count of plus 10.
She's making you wait for marriage, lost her virginity to a man at a party within hours.
I feel like that's a raw deal for the guy.
If he doesn't want to wait till marriage and if he doesn't understand what I went through and that I'm a different person, then so be it.
I mean, you're not meant to be with me and that's just that.
I'll say my husband was not a virgin on our wedding night.
And to me, I mean, he loved and respected me enough.
I think it's rare, but that he was like, all right, well, like, we'll wait.
And I think if you do love and respect someone enough, it kind of changes.
And you're like, well, I think it's worth the wait.
Yeah.
So I got to ask this earlier when we were talking.
What do you think is holding you guys back from getting married?
It's hard to say, but I mean.
Who proposes?
Like, who's the woman?
We've actually talked about this, and if we would, we'd probably both end up doing it at the same time, like, not even realizing it, but probably both end up proposing it.
Well, it's strange to me because it seems like if it's an asexual thing and you think it's okay that it's canonically fine, what's the actual holdup?
I don't understand that.
I mean, you know, the Bible says certain things and people say certain things.
And at the end of the day, I'm not going to get married until I've been with someone for many years.
I mean, we've been together for three years, but in the end, I'd like to wait more time.
And, you know, I don't think it's something we have to do right now either.
We have so many other priorities.
We have so many different things that we need to focus on.
And, like, I mean, we do want to be co-parents and foster children in the years ahead.
So I feel like we should focus on more things rather than just, you know, getting married and putting it on paper.
I mean, we have a great relationship.
Yeah, but doesn't that only take like 15 minutes?
You just go down to the courthouse done.
Okay, that doesn't matter.
I feel like it goes so much deeper than that.
And like.
I mean, it just sounds to me like you don't want to get married, honestly.
I would love to get married to her.
But at the end of the day, we don't know what God truly wants from us.
And I'd like to give him more time to, you know, speak through us or make us feel convicted if we aren't meant to be together.
I mean, it's just my preference.
I feel like.
Okay.
I kind of want to hear your take on it now.
You know, I always have thought that marriage might not be for me, but I haven't thought too much about marriage, honestly.
I like to, like, when I'm on my free time, I just, you know, I talk about, like, talk to God or I write my music, and that's really what I like to do.
I enjoy doing that.
I'm not sitting there thinking about like love and marriage.
I really want to take on foster kids and share the love that I do have with them because I feel like there's a lot of kids out there that don't have support, and I know that I can give that to them.
And that's really what I spend my focus on.
I think more about kids than I do about marriage.
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If you believe all scripture is breathed of God, then he has already spoken against you.
God gave them over to degrading passions, for the women exchanged natural relations for that which is unnatural.
What do you guys, what is your response to that?
What is your response to that?
Do you want to go for the moment?
Do you have a response for that?
I would say I understand what they're saying.
And the more that I read the Bible, that's what like pushes me away from Thinking about marriage or doing that.
I love to have a partnership with Maddie.
I think we do a lot of great things together, like help the homeless.
And, you know, we're mentors to foster children.
And so there's not really anyone else I've met that has the ideals that I have about the world and how to nurture and help people.
And we've created a really nice union at home.
And so, yeah, like I would be down personally to be nuns together.
Yeah, I'm trying to decide what's the difference between, again, how we started it.
The two of you and Lindsay and I, obviously living lessons.
Besties and not lesbian lovers.
Not lesbian lovers.
Make that very clear.
We live in completely different states, but I will say we do sleep together when we're traveling because we are so poor from our company that we do share a hotel room.
However, we are not in any way sexually intimate or sexually attracted to one another.
And I think it would be really beautiful to see the two of you take on that same kind of relationship.
And I think that's what God would love to see from you.
Do you feel like us together could raise kids?
Biblically, that's not the way God designed it.
But what about kids that don't have homes?
I think it's a great idea for people to foster and adopt children, especially with the abortion pandemic that's going on around.
People need to adopt babies instead of kill them.
But you're talking biblically, right?
And so your guys' struggle is how do we maintain this beautiful relationship that we have and keep it biblical?
And that person just kind of showed you one Bible verse that says, well, this is kind of what goes against that.
So then the question would be if the Bible also says that a family is built on husband and a wife, how would you feel then going, okay, well, we've decided we're doing this even though it technically goes against the Bible and biblical standards?
I feel like I shouldn't go search for a man.
I'm not saying you should go search for a man either.
I think that God brings people into people's lives at certain times.
And I actually believe that you guys are 100% meant to be together empowering each other right now.
Probably not in a relationship, but as friends, right?
You've both been through a lot.
But I'm just saying biblically, no one is saying, now go find a man.
You have to be married, right?
But if the Bible says that a man and a husband and a wife should raise children, then what is your response to that naturally to say, well, we're seeking God in this, but God does say, like, don't do this and don't do this.
Isn't that kind of your clear answer?
Well, he's waiting for Holy Spirit, kind of.
Well, he doesn't really say to not.
Like, I'm pretty sure there's verses in the Bible about how families raise with community as well.
And we could be a community.
So, like, do you shame single mothers?
No, absolutely not.
No.
Okay, so we're both too single, we would be two single women choosing to raise kids because we have the resources to.
Right.
And you did ask if I condemned that.
And I did say, I didn't say yes.
I was just saying trying to bring it back to biblically because, again, speaking biblically, there is no right and wrong in black and white in some of these situations where when you say single mother, the first thing I think of is like a widow.
You can't shame a woman for raising children when her husband died.
Her father had an affair with her mother and then left her mother with five kids.
And it ended up being a really horrible situation.
And her brothers ended up getting into some really awful stuff because they didn't have because there was just two parents in the household.
Correct.
Yes.
And I know someone that has two mothers.
Of course, their mothers are sexually involved, but they don't have much problems.
They're happy.
They do go to church.
I think it's a hard line here.
I don't think it says black and white, and I think that's where Lindsay's getting at.
Just because we do have a real pandemic right now with abortion.
And I would much rather see these children adopted into homes than not.
So I think it is a hard stance.
I mean, it's commendable that you ladies want to do so much good work together.
Thank you.
I do think so.
By the way, Andrew's out getting a smoke break.
He's on his way back right now.
He'll be here rejoining us in just a sec.
Now, I need to get into some of my other pre-show notes here.
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Everybody's just leaving the table.
No, it's total chaos in the whatever podcast studio.
Whatever.
It's whatever.
It's whatever.
All right, let's get into who do we go to now?
Why don't we go to our good friend Jaden?
Okay.
Jaden says, I have lots of examples of girls not being too friendly and doing whatever at anyone's expense just to get a guy.
Yeah, I do.
Got a lot of examples.
Okay.
Did you want to maybe share one, like the worst, the worst of the worst?
Wait, wait, wait, wait.
Of doing anything to get with a guy?
Sure.
Is that what I said?
Yes, doing whatever at anyone's expense just to get a guy.
Oh yeah, like I've had, I feel like it could be some of the same women that may identify as feminists.
But I've had friends that have put me in very uncomfortable positions because they want to pursue a man sexually and leave their friends behind at parties or just that kind of thing is what I mean.
I just think friendships need to be better.
Women, when they are pursuing men, shouldn't be thinking so sexually.
I feel like it pulls them into really weird situations.
Women need to respect their bodies more.
I've had a lot of friends that just absolutely do not respect themselves.
And it makes me sad because it does hurt your soul.
No matter if you believe spiritually or not, spirituality is a real thing.
God in Jesus are spiritual.
In your notes, you also mentioned you absolutely think that there is misogyny in our world.
I don't disagree with you.
I do think that there are people that hate women, just like I think there are people that hate men.
But I do want some clarification here.
When you say misogyny, how do you define misogyny?
I define it as I feel like misogyny might be more of a systemic thing where women thinking that women need to do anything a man wants, I feel like is misogynistic.
I feel as though not having women be respected in leadership positions is also misogynistic.
I know that not everyone believes that way, but that's misogyny to me.
That we can't, that it's so hard for us to get that extra representation.
But you believe in the Christian worldview.
Yeah.
The Christian worldview is patriarchal.
Yes, but the men is supposed to look to their wives or women for wisdom because God gave them wisdom.
Love is patient, love is kind, love does not boast, love does not.
Love is not selfish, love considers everybody, and you want, if you love your wife, you will consider the things that she needs and wants.
Sure.
And not just what you want.
Yeah, but it's not a matter of the assumption that's kind of baked into the Christian worldview is the reason it's patriarchal and the reason that the man's supposed to have the final decision is because you trust him to note that what's good for you even when you don't know what's good for you.
But I don't trust all the men that we've had in power.
Yeah, I get it, but when you're talking about this conundrum, which comes up, if that's your worldview, if the worldview is the Christian worldview, it's the same conundrum that I asked her earlier.
My worldview is Jesus' worldview.
Like, the world believes in going to war.
Jesus doesn't believe in going to war.
Yeah, but that really has nothing to do.
But I'm saying my worldview, like there's a lot of contradictions in what Christians say their worldview is than what Jesus said the worldview should be.
That was my point there.
Well, I understand it, but the head of the church is Jesus, right?
Yeah.
Okay.
And all the apostles who went off to found new churches were all men, correct?
Yeah, but Jesus doesn't really like religion.
Churches.
He came to his church.
He said it.
No, we are the church.
Yeah, he came to also give us a church.
To make the church his bride.
He didn't give religion.
He didn't say religion.
Listen.
When I'm talking about worldview, when I'm talking about worldview, when I say the word religion, you can dispute the word.
You can say, okay, I don't follow a religion, but you still follow a worldview.
Your view, the way that you look at the world, the prism in which you're guided, is informed by your Christian worldview.
This is how you know what's right, what's wrong, what's correct behavior, incorrect behavior, how you're supposed to live your life, how you're not supposed to live your life, right?
Are you drinking that beer?
Do you have a Christian worldview?
Yeah.
Okay.
And?
That contradicts it?
No, it doesn't.
Drinking a beer contradicts Christianity?
Yeah.
Really?
Alcohol, spirits?
Stay away from spirits?
Have you ever heard of something called the Last Supper?
Yeah.
What did they drink?
Wine.
Gotcha, bitch.
Contradicting their own worldviews.
From Jesus.
Jesus drank himself wine.
They all, listen, there's no restriction in Christianity for drinking wine.
Where in the world?
Why don't you be drunk, but to have a beer is fine.
Drunken will have to be.
Wine is on his lips.
But we are not going to drink through it.
The reason that drunkenness is wrong, drinking is not wrong.
And who cares if you're on your eighth, if you're not drunk?
The reason that drunkenness...
Impaired?
You're going to be impaired.
He's just got a high tolerance.
Yeah, but that's not what, if you got pulled over, that's not what would be happening.
It's not about blood, alcohol level.
Christianity is not about legalism.
They're looking for impairment because if there was some type of impairment and not just impairment, but addiction, if it was an addiction and an impairment, that would take you further away from Christ.
That's part of the worldview.
Drinking a beer has nothing to do with it.
I mean, that's, I don't even know.
I think a man should only lead if he is a Christian man and wants to lead his family closer to God.
Otherwise, I don't know what you're leading or what you're leading for or what you're determining because if you're not going off of what God says, then why?
Yeah, sure.
So you're leading your family.
Yes, I do believe, I believe God gave men knowledge and ability to be able to rationalize and not have emotion, but also so that they can communicate with their wife so that they can also understand more about themselves and the decisions that they do need to make.
So I do believe a man should make like the final decision.
Sure.
So he's in charge.
But he is a provider and he's supposed to protect and take care of his family.
And that I believe means emotionally, mentally, and physically.
And if you're doing something that hurts your wife, you shouldn't want to do that because you love them.
But hurt her how?
Not letting her express herself, not letting her use the skills that God gave her.
Yeah, sure.
Sure, but when we're talking about, we're talking about hurt or you're doing something that you have some preference against.
It doesn't mean that you're doing anything wrong if you're the final arbiter.
So you could have, again, this situation, especially within the Christian worldview, of you're being willful.
You're being willful and you're being disrespectful yourself without realizing it.
Isn't it your husband's duty to say, no, you're supposed to obey within the confines of the Christian ethos?
You're supposed to obey God.
Jesus always comes first.
So if your man told you that we needed to do something that was against God, you're not going to do it.
That would be a violation of your ethics.
The distinction here is part of your ethics is to follow your man's lead.
That's what part of your ethical framework is.
And you dismiss it if they go against God.
Yeah, but going against God isn't you being just willful.
You being willful and him saying, listen, you have to stop being so willful.
You have to stop being so argumentative.
You have to stop going against me and my decision making because you're just being willful.
That's not going against God.
Do you think if a woman has an opinion and you just don't want to hear her out and you won't hear her out, it's going to lead to a little bit of arguing because you're not listening to your woman.
She might have a good idea.
She might have something that can really help bring value to you.
Sure, she might, but it's not really for her to decide that.
It's for him to decide that within the ethos.
Got it.
Within the ethic, right?
That sounds more like I don't believe God talks about dominance.
He talks about leadership.
It's not dominance.
But it says submit to each other.
Marriage and the Christian ethic is a reflection of the relationship you have with Jesus Christ.
Jesus Christ is the head of the church.
But not everyone gets married to men that deserve that respect.
Let me finish.
The man acts as the head of the church, right?
That's the symbolic relationship.
The woman acts as the body of the church.
That is the symbolic relationship.
The man is the head.
So when you're talking about submission, which is part of your vows, for all Christians, as far as I'm, even Protestants, make the vow of submission.
But what about to men that aren't your husband?
Like at work?
But we're talking about misogyny and I was saying it's systemic.
Like at work, when your boss shuts you down, you have a great idea.
I work at a place that they love.
They take my ideas.
They bring me in.
They ask me questions.
They want to know what I think because they see the value that women have, like our attention to detail, organization, things like that.
So you could grow your businesses.
You could grow humanity as a whole by considering what women have to say instead of just saying, no, I'm right, I'm right, I'm right, I'm right.
Yeah, but women, it is considered what women have to say.
What does it have to do with misogyny?
If men, men should men be.
Because men don't listen.
Men don't listen to men mostly.
But to automatic, like you show that you don't even listen to women.
You literally call us bitches that like you think our brains are like off or something.
Like they work.
We think, we move, we do research.
We have talents.
We have capabilities.
How do you expect me to?
And not every woman is going to get married.
I don't need this fucking girl.
Just leave it open a little bit.
We need some air in here.
Yeah.
Leave it open.
What is happening?
Anyway, so yeah, back to this.
Nobody's dismissing.
I don't understand.
Is this like internalized misogyny?
No, like I've seen women talk about it all the time.
And do you think they're just talking out of their assholes?
Sometimes, but I don't know specifically what you're referencing.
I really don't see a point.
All right, let me come back.
You said, Do you think there's misandry?
Do you think there's misandry?
Explain what that's the counter of misogyny.
Like misogyny.
If misogyny is the hatred of women, then misandery is the hatred of women.
It's just the hatred, though.
Well, yes, but just keeping things simple.
It's a bias or what you know, whatever the full definition.
I think that there is a growing population of people that hate men.
Yeah.
But I think that yourself included.
No, actually.
Are you sure?
Yeah, actually.
Okay.
Yeah.
Okay.
I think respectable men are respectable men.
I have a lot of male friends.
Men aren't terrible.
Like, some men are terrible.
Some women are terrible.
I don't think we disagree on everything.
I think you think I brainstorm.
Be what a sad panel on my birthday.
Andrew says it if for sure.
God says to submit to the man as head of the household, to love, honor, and obey.
Obey.
That last word means something.
It also says for a man to praise and honor his wife.
Yeah, but so thank you, Gruth.
How does it take away from praising and honoring your wife for your wife to obey you?
Oh, seriously.
Some men don't deserve to be obeyed.
Like some men ask for very not right things.
Like, I understand what you're saying.
You're talking about good men.
There's a lot of not good men.
I'm speaking about not good men that literally take advantage, abuse, and use women and their brains, or just totally discount.
I don't get how that doesn't make sense.
I'm not talking about everyone.
I don't generalize what you do.
I think every single person is different.
But you are generalizing right now.
No.
Yeah.
If you say, I'm not talking about all the good men, I'm talking about all the bad men.
That's a generalization.
No, I told you what I'm talking about.
Yeah, and that's a generalization.
That's why me saying misogyny exists is not a generalization.
That's saying...
No, that's not a generalization.
And because of some bad men.
I don't think good men are misogynistic.
I think good men cherish and love the women that they're around them.
My sister has an amazing boyfriend, and he literally in his mind, he's behind every great man is an even greater woman because we are wise and God gave us wisdom.
No.
Behind every great man is not a greater woman.
Now that is a generalization.
She literally raises her children.
Hang on, that's a generalization, right?
Is that a generalization?
I didn't say that's what I said.
I just said that's what he said.
I'm saying that there are men out there that value women for who they are and what they can be.
I have a question for you on this.
So I've been building my business for over a decade for 10 years.
Awesome.
And if I started to date a woman 10 years into having already established my business, was she the great woman that was behind me when I was in the trenches like fucking grinding?
Jimmy, no, you weren't together.
I feel like your statement takes agency away from the greatness that men achieve.
Well, it's really weird.
Women can achieve greatness too when they're not forced to stay in a home.
It's actually worse, Brian, because you could just never get with a woman again and you could still end up being a great man.
A woman could also do the same thing.
You wouldn't even need to.
That's not what I'm arguing.
A woman can do the same thing.
Women absolutely have the capacity for greatness and achievement, but it is kind of taking.
We don't ever hear the reverse.
Behind every boss bitch is a great man.
Like, you never hear the reverse.
That's because men have all the validation they need, obviously.
I've worked all the work I've done.
That's not enough validation.
No, I do actually.
My family's very validated.
I'm talking about talking about a lot of women's opinions.
So are we generalizing now?
I said a lot of, not all.
A lot of is a generalization.
Okay.
Isn't it?
Sure.
Yeah.
So now we're generalizing.
You also generalize.
I do, but I'm not the one saying I don't.
I didn't say I don't.
Okay, so now if we're back to a generalization, and you're saying a lot of, a lot of what does that mean?
What does that mean?
Yeah, what does it mean?
I don't feel the need to talk to this respectful man like you.
Well, I mean, if I'm in a room with a bulldyke, I can at least.
I just know better men.
That's all.
What did you say?
Like, I really do know a lot greater men than you.
Like, I don't know.
Like, the way you speak, the way you talk, I don't know.
I don't understand.
You don't understand what?
Why is it impossible for you to have a conversation without being ridiculously combative?
You are also combat.
You already have a thought before you.
No, no, no.
No, you haven't.
Oh, yeah, I have.
Sure, you're crazy, dude.
Well, how do you think you've gone out of your way?
Well, I've tried to keep it as cool as possible, but if you're having a conversation.
You called us bitches.
You raised your voice.
You said fucking.
You called us.
You said you get aggressive.
You're a little bit of a total of her as well.
You're also, yeah, you're.
So the chick over there talks shit to me.
I talk shit back to her.
That was not okay.
She didn't cuss at all.
You literally called her.
She said, cuz of men like you.
And I said, cuz of bitches like you.
Yeah.
So do you know what a tit for tat is?
Or when somebody hits you.
I don't know.
My father just wouldn't approve of the way you're speaking to me.
When somebody hits you, you hit them back harder.
100%.
Your father wouldn't.
He's a great man.
You would hit a woman, huh?
Verbally.
If they're hitting you in a debate, you hit them back harder.
Okay.
Okay, hold on.
Where did we come up with this idea?
I don't know.
I just like suddenly everybody's abusive.
I just absolutely, not everyone's abusive.
I don't know.
You accused him earlier.
Or he was on the verge of it.
And now you said, you're going to hit a woman?
Yeah, I'm asking.
Yeah.
By the logic, you said if someone hits you, you hit them harder.
Verbally.
You should have said that.
It was implied.
Would she hit a man?
No, I wouldn't.
Never?
No, I wouldn't.
Not even to defend yourself?
I mean, I would run, hopefully.
Not even to defend yourself?
No.
No?
No.
Just never.
I wouldn't even hit a girl back if she hit me and tried to fight me.
I'm not a fighter.
And maybe in a circumstance, it would be different, but in my head, I would never want to do that to somebody.
Honestly.
So you're a pacifist?
Sure.
I don't know.
Not with my words, obviously.
It's just verbal argumentation.
I guess.
That's it?
Yeah.
Okay.
We're going to do a reset.
We have some chats here to read.
We have Black Flame Nova.
Here's for all you've done with the show and for bringing Andrew on to shed some knowledge on these 30 foots.
The dude couldn't have been rhesus because he kissed you.
That wouldn't be the case otherwise.
Okay.
Going back to that.
Yeah.
Okay.
Black Flame Nova.
Appreciate it.
Appreciate it, man.
All right.
We have GR Gracie.
Ladies.
It doesn't apply to you.
Stop.
Just stop.
If your father was like Andrew and actually questioned your life choices, would you be happier as you age and your tats turn into Salvador Dolly paintings?
Wait, I don't really get it.
If your father was like Andrew and actually questioned what would you be happier as you age and your tats turn into I don't is this a it's like a hypothesis he's basically saying your skin will get saggy your things are gonna change he was insulting but trying to ask I'm gonna pretend to be very insulted very insulted by that horrific compliment At you though, for some reason.
I'm not even dealing with tattoos, though.
I still, for some reason, feel like it was pointed at Gertrude for some reason.
We have Tori Huron.
It's grid one birthday.
The whole panel needs to say happy B Day too.
Is it Grid One's birthday?
Yeah, because he was whining about us being the panel.
Oh, it is his birthday.
It is his birthday.
Happy birthday, Grid One.
Yo, grid one.
Happy fucking birthday.
I hope you had a great cake.
I hope you had.
Go spend your money elsewhere.
Feliz navidad.
Happy birthday, Miss.
Happy birthday.
Or the Spanish, right?
Isn't Feliz navidale married first?
It is.
Oh, fuck.
Hold on.
Feliz compleanos.
How do you say that?
Happy birthday.
Feliz compleanos.
Fuck, man.
Hey, you know, it's my California Spanish.
Okay.
All right.
Even if a man has shown great leadership, he cannot lead a follower, his wife, if she's combative, disrespectful, argumentative, but worst of all, conditionally submissive.
Most women are like this.
Yeah, feminism has turned most women this way.
Yeah, basically what he's saying is he wants a pet.
No, I disagree with that.
I agree with that statement that's set up there.
I do feel like women are less likely to let...
You have to realize you have...
Wait.
Wait, let her finish.
Let her finish.
Let her finish.
You're right.
I feel like women nowadays are less likely to allow their man to lead them.
And it's not, men are not being like anger and taking over you.
They're leading you because they want what's best for you and for the family.
All men.
Not all men.
Right.
She's speaking to her.
Not all men.
So the family wouldn't be able to do that.
That's what you want if he was a good man.
Private chat.
We don't know what your husband's like, but you look like a very healthy, like beautiful woman, and you have a respectful husband, and that's amazing.
But a lot of women do not pick the right men.
And I feel like it's possible that men saying men at the household and like boasting about it so much can get to some other men's head and create them to be abusers.
I'm not saying everyone's an abuser.
I agree.
But I believe that this mindset causes that.
And I do believe, like, a woman should submit to a respectful man if he really is following God and doing what God was asking him to.
What role does the woman play in that?
Because I feel like as women, if we're not respecting ourselves, then we're not demanding respect of a man.
And I feel like also like this whole courtship, I mean, you're dating them.
So it's not like you're all of a sudden in this marriage and you're like, oh my gosh, he's controlling me.
It's like this whole time he should have been leading you.
Absolutely.
But I think men think they need to do that before you're even married.
That's what I'm saying.
It also sounds like based on your relationship, you guys have a really healthy relationship and he's not abusive.
But if a man is abusive and controlling and then he wants you to be submissive and not combative and agreeable, that's a problem.
Oh, absolutely.
I mean, again, I wouldn't agree with that.
Because that's not a man that's following God.
And I thought it said that.
And just saying women should always submit to a man.
Bad decisions with the win they pick.
Yeah, absolutely.
We have a video that's related to this.
Go ahead.
You can play it, Nick.
I want guidance.
I want leadership.
But don't just like boss me around, you know?
Like, lead me.
Lead me when I'm in the mood to be led.
So I want guidance.
I want leadership.
I think there was a longer version of it.
But I don't know.
It occurs to me, like, so I think women really want men who can lead, but the feminism mind virus is you want a leader, but you don't want to follow.
It's so hard for you guys to understand equality.
Like, both people can help each other.
No, that doesn't.
Hold on.
But do you want a guy to take initiative on the first date?
Like, you want a guy to ask you out?
Yeah, but ideally, I take initiative in other aspects.
What other aspects?
I make him feel good about himself.
I compliment him.
He should do that too.
He should do that too.
That's not leadership.
That's just complimentary.
That's not, yeah.
I agree.
That's not leadership.
I mean, you take leadership in the house or dating.
What are we talking about?
Well, obviously it starts somewhere, right?
So you demand leadership for the first three months of your relationship?
I don't think anybody should be a leader here.
I think they should both be working with each other as a team.
Yeah, but hold on, yeah.
You want the guy to take the massive burden.
A lot of women don't understand because you're in the privileged position of being sexual selectors.
You don't understand the absolutely fucking massive burden that it is for men to be the initiators in these situations and take the lead and face the risk of just brutal rejection after rejection.
That's why you shouldn't do it the entire time.
Why would you do it?
Well, that's convenient for you to say that.
But doesn't a leader have to delegate tasks?
Hold on.
Whatever pragma or idealistic worldview you want to claim there is.
Oh, men shouldn't have to.
Guess what?
Men by default have to.
I have a question.
For the entire relationship, they should not be being a doormat for the moment.
Okay, let me give you an example.
Generally speaking, men, if men just don't take the initiative ever, they are that's the end of their bloodline.
That's the difference between men and women.
Women, you just show up when it comes to dating.
You just have to make yourself available.
If men, if we don't make conscious effort and attempts to actually approach women, pursue women, that's the end of your bloodline.
You're fucked.
Women, you just...
Dozens of men sliding into your...
If you're ugly...
You're an ugly girl, and you just roll out of the bag.
And you don't take it.
Even ugly women.
Okay, yeah, you get shit.
They fucked, but not married.
Yeah, they're not.
Yeah, thank you.
They're getting fucked on every single night.
No, no, no, no.
The same amount of men get married.
The same amount of women and men get married because you have to have two, a man and a woman to get married.
Like, I don't, it's not.
Okay, can I ask a question as a woman?
If you have a man that asks you on a date, wants to pay for that date, opens the door for you, treats you right, continues to treat you right and take care of you for six months, ask you to marry me, marry him, and you trust him, love him, respect him, and you can agree that he's the leader, what is the problem with him being the leader if you trust his decisions?
If I trust his decisions, then he's a good person.
He can lead.
But you're like, I trust you this whole time.
I've trusted you until we got married.
I trust you now that we're married.
But now I want to have some control over some situations.
Why can't you say I'm willing to relinquish control because I trust that whatever your decision is, it's for the best for me because you love me.
If you have a loving relationship with a husband who respects you and genuinely sees the value in you, then yeah, there's no problem.
If you submit to him, he's not going to abuse you.
Okay, so then as a woman, I'm saying that I do not.
There's no area in my home where I need to override my husband and say, I would like the authority here because I don't trust you.
I don't think you're going to make the right decision.
I would assume your husband's probably good to you.
He's very good.
That's what we're saying.
That's what you have ideas.
Do you guys assume that you're not going to be a person?
I have ideas and he loves and respects me enough to allow me to proceed.
Do you assume that every single husband is going to be good in a marriage?
I have all kinds of ideas, and my husband is so amazing and respectful and loving that he lets me do whatever I want.
So I'm literally just, I'm literally not controlled because I give my husband control and he loves and respects me so much.
So you're suggesting he says whatever you want, baby.
So you're suggesting that every single woman in the world, in order to avoid abuse and control, should relinquish scrano.
No, I'm not suggesting that all these abuses and you, what the problem is.
Are you suggesting abusive men don't exist?
No, not at all.
Not at all, but why are all these men that we're talking about quite a few people?
Supposedly abusive and horrible people.
Like, there are so many good quality men out here, and we're going back to the fact where men get shit on.
And that's the point.
You're so hard men have to shitting on girls.
What do you mean?
Straw man.
Straw man.
It's not a straw man.
It actually is.
Hold on.
We can get him back.
Wait, hold on, You think that being argued with means you're getting shit on?
No, I don't.
Yeah, if you say equip towards someone, they say equip back, suddenly that's out.
You know, that's out of bounds.
I completely disagree.
Completely disagree.
Well, then that's all that's happened.
So agree with her the whole time you've been here.
Okay, so what's the problem?
I don't know.
Okay, hold on.
There's two different things on women we're not shitting on.
There's two fucking conversations going on here.
Let me bring it back to the actual conversation instead of this devolving into a further fucking meta conversations.
Jesus Christ.
Put your mic back to the set.
Can you put your mic back, please?
Okay.
To your point, can we try to keep the conversations to like normal?
Sex?
Are you fucking R slurred?
What?
Can we keep the conversation within like, let's not go into like abnormal situations.
I don't like I don't see okay.
Should a woman follow an abusive man?
No.
Are you happy?
Now let's talk about within the confines of normal healthy relationships for abusive women to follow.
I'll give it to you.
Cool.
I'll give it to you.
Don't follow abusive men.
I 100% agree.
Don't follow that either.
Cool.
I agree with you.
Now let's talk about normal, healthy relationships.
Let's keep it focused here.
I think they both should be submitting listening to each other, though.
Okay, so why do you have to bring up this like scenario?
What if the man fucking murders you?
She follow him then.
Every woman who's combative or has an opinion or disagrees or whatever, like you're a bad girl if you don't submit to your husband in total and totality.
Do you want a guy who's dominant?
No.
Do you want a soy boy?
No, I don't want either.
So what do you want?
I want a guy who sees me as a human being.
He wants a traditional liberal feminist man.
The guy you really like and have been dating for a while gets into firearms.
He goes and buys a 500 S ⁇ W, AR-15 and Benelli M4.
He says he wants to teach you firearm safety and how to shoot.
Red flag?
No, that's a green flag.
Okay, really quick going around the table on this.
Go ahead.
Nick, I want you to find that.
There's a video.
There's this woman who was in a car.
It went viral a couple months ago.
We pulled it up.
She was like, she's like a progressive woman.
She's like, well, why can't I find like Democrat, progressive, liberal, feminist men who want to pay for dates and who are like masculine and traditional?
Can you find that video, please?
We're going to react to that.
Okay, you're dating a guy.
You really like him.
He gets into firearms.
He buys a AR-15.
He wants to teach you firearm safety.
Is it a red flag?
No.
I would.
Can you pull the microphone to the edge of the him getting into guns?
Weird, but not a red flag for him to want to teach me how to shoot one if it's for safety.
No, it's not weird.
Marry him immediately.
No, I wouldn't say it's a red flag.
Like biggest turn on.
It's not a red flag.
Okay.
It's just like, I'm getting frustrated because so often is it the case that we're trying to have like a conversation about dating and then it devolves into, well, what should you do in the event that one of the people is abusive?
Okay, we can talk about that.
But like, what about the majority of relationships that I would say, which are they don't always go there?
Hold on.
You think the, but hold on.
Do you think the majority of relationships are abusive?
No, but I do think that's some of Pickle donated $200.
I'm enjoying Ivory's reactions to this drama.
It just Serves to derail the actual conversation we're trying to have.
Nick, do you have the video?
Okay.
Let me read these chats here.
We have Black Flame Nova.
I think you sent this as a Streamlabs message also.
Here's for having to put up with so much in these modern times and revealing so much that traditional fathers warned us about onto the topic.
If he was a racist, he wouldn't even give you a peck.
You sent this, I think, also as a Streamlabs thing.
That shows some interest.
It was definitely preference.
Okay.
Hey, Black Flame Nova.
Thank you, man.
Daniel W., the ladies don't understand respect in their mind.
Respect is to kiss their ass and then let them make decisions.
If they decide against men, should just accept it.
What is abuse?
Curious what these ladies think it is.
Oh my God.
What it is, emotional abuse seems to be the scapegoat most of the time.
It does.
It's true.
For the record, I don't think it's all of us that are going towards that route.
I think it's the majority of us that aren't.
Going towards what route?
The emotional abuse.
I honestly think it's just you.
Oh, I think people are just toxic.
Are you toxic?
Generalization, all people.
You're perfect, right?
You've never done anything wrong in a relationship.
I've definitely been toxic in a relationship.
That's why I broke up with people.
How were you toxic?
I was talking to another person.
Okay, so you're a cheater.
Well, I wasn't.
I didn't do anything.
Hold on.
That's not cheating.
That's emotional.
It's cheating then.
Exactly.
It's toxic.
That's why I broke up, right?
Because it's toxic.
But a lot of people are.
And then did you go and fuck the guy you were talking to?
No.
But a lot of guys, a lot of people wouldn't.
Oh, I, sorry.
Hold on.
Oh, you did?
Later, but it was like a year later.
It was a year later, and when I broke up with the guy, we were not chitting.
So just to put that, it was a year later.
And when I broke up with the guy, we were not talking at the time.
So I broke up with the guy solely based on the fact that I felt bad that I had feelings for somebody else.
But have you ever been in an emotionally or physically abusive relationship?
No, but I've seen them.
Okay, well, I have.
So if anyone has questions, I've been physically abused by a man, so I have authority.
Like big time shape.
Well, I think we should move on because those aren't the majority of relationships.
Do you think I have?
Like, why do you ask?
Because you talk about it.
I kind of feel like maybe were you physically abusive?
No, I, no.
No?
No, not at all.
That's kind of like the question I asked you.
A little different.
A little different.
I've seen people be physically abusive in relationships.
This panel sucks.
Typical women, as usual.
Yo, Max, who is the Asian girl in the back?
Never says a word.
Best type of woman.
I'm rich and single.
Look me up.
Patient drive.
See, and then you're going to expect a guy like that to get a girl who's submissive and nice.
I don't even know this guy.
Okay, but that's my, there's a problem with men too, is my point.
That's it.
And that's it.
I don't think he disagrees.
There's a problem with men.
He's saying women should just shut up and not say anything.
I think he's a good person.
He has men.
He said that.
That man definitely said it.
Don't defend that man.
He definitely just said that.
Never says a word, the best type of woman.
Yeah, he definitely said that.
Wait, what's wrong with liking an introverted, me personally, I think silence is golden.
I don't like to talk either.
I don't want to be yapping to my partner or blah, No, let's just like shut the fuck up and watch Breaking Bad.
That's my idea.
Fuck it, bro.
Let's watch Breaking Bad.
Let's watch Fallout.
Fallout has seen Fallout, the new thing.
Fucking mid.
Super mid.
Very mid show.
Game of Thrones.
Oh, Game of Thrones.
Game of Thrones.
Yeah, but you get a girl like that by treating her well.
I found the video, right?
Okay, you found the video?
Well, I mean, unless she has problems.
She needs therapy.
Okay, I think this is it.
It's a joke.
People are motivated.
All right, start from the beginning if you can.
You want to know one of the saddest realizations I recently had was that as a liberal woman, it is really hard to find a man who is willing to play the more traditional masculine role in the relationship in today's day and age.
Who is not a conservative?
A man who wants to pay on the first date, who wants to open your door, who has that want and desire to take care of you and to provide.
Who is not a conservative?
And obviously, as a liberal woman, I do want to be respected for my independence.
And I do want to have my own autonomy in the relationship and not be confined or conform to the traditional female homemaker childbearing role.
And most of the men that I've dated who do have that more natural provider masculinity about them are normally conservative.
So I don't really know what to do because I don't want to compromise my morals and values just to find a man.
But am I asking to have my cake and eat it too?
Yes.
You want to know one of the saddest.
Wait, you disagree?
This is your position.
No, I just disagree with her.
Like, I don't know.
I don't know how she's having a hard time finding a guy to like, sorry, to like, you know, take her out on a date and treat her nicely.
I don't know.
Hold on.
That's not what she said.
Wait, hold on, just a question.
She said pay on the first date.
Just a question.
If a guy doesn't pay for a girl on the first date, is that treating her poorly?
Treating her not nicely?
Well, you said treating her nicely.
Well, she said two things, right?
She said that he doesn't pay for the date and whatever, and then also he takes care of her and he's like, whatever, doesn't matter.
So like a traditionally masculine man?
Yeah, she speaks specifically about masculinity, right?
Well, I mean, I don't know.
She says it's really hard.
Are you suggesting that liberal men cannot care about their own?
I'm not.
Listen, whenever you build anything that I say into a monolith, right?
This, that, I mean, you can if you want, but I'm just always going to point out to you that I don't ever say all.
Never saying all.
Okay.
We're talking in generality.
I would say most liberal men.
I wouldn't even say most.
I would just say there's a lot more men who follow a conservative ideology who probably come off as being more traditionally masculine.
And this, this is what seems to be what we receive when we talk to women and we do those polls where we never ask anybody anything, but we do.
And when we do, they seem to claim the same thing, that conservatives have more traditionally masculine features and values.
I'm not something I said before, but I said that about Christianity, not about women.
I think most liberal men are now women also.
No, I think most liberal men are still able to.
What is a woman?
A lot of things.
However, I think a lot of women want.
I don't subscribe to this, but I think a lot of women want somebody who's extremely dominant and does lead them in all of these different factors.
But then they call it toxic masculinity.
And they say, a man that wants to lead is not toxic.
I love the toxic masculinity.
Yeah, I love that.
I just said I don't subscribe to it, right?
I don't want that.
I want somebody who views me as equal and treats me properly.
I don't want you to do that.
You don't really.
I do.
But you said you want the initial months of the relationship.
The first date he can pay for.
It sounded like there was more stuff than that.
The first date he can pay for it.
If we come out another day after that, and then he takes me on like three or four dates and he's constantly paying.
At some point, I'm going to be like, listen, I think we should split.
I think it's fair.
I'll split or will it pay?
You wouldn't pay?
No, I would split with him.
Why wouldn't you pay?
It's equal.
I'm just sorry.
You said your contradiction for you.
Meaning you give 100% of what you can give and the man gives 100% of what he can give, but we're not equal.
Like they said about the war thing, you're not going to want to get drafted to war.
You're not going to want to leave the country.
You spend all your money.
You'd flee.
Yeah, I would leave.
Okay, so I wouldn't blame a man for leaving the country.
I'm not considering it masculine?
I mean, no, but I wouldn't blame him, and I'd still marry him.
But that's toxic.
On that.
How's it not toxic?
Oh, my gosh.
Because you're, I mean, you're asking me if I would consider it masculine according to your definition of masculine.
Your definition of masculine.
My definition of masculine, then no.
I don't think that's the only thing that's not.
Then what's your definition?
I would just gotta know, what do you think the difference is from your definition of masculine to mine?
Dark Omen42 donated $200.
For a generation of women that can't seem to find a good man, they sure spend a lot of time married and or pregnant.
If you don't trust a man, why the hell would you marry him?
I agree.
It's valid.
I agree.
Why are you dating?
Well put Dark Omen 42.
Thank you, man.
I don't know.
You cheat a red flag, you should leave.
Okay, I have a question about equality.
So you're on the first date.
I don't care who pays.
On the way home, the tire, you get a flat tire.
Do you equally go out and change the tire?
No, whose car is it?
Oh, wow.
Oh, my gosh.
It's your car.
It's your car.
If it's my car, then I'm changing the tire.
Oh, my word.
You can't change a tire.
I can't.
I've changed my own tire.
I misunderstood the question.
You were asking who's paying for the tire.
Okay, can you change the tire?
No, I'm not saying that who's getting out in the rain and changing the tire.
I did not realize what you meant.
Let's look, because you said you, you know, the first date.
So just so I understand your position, so, and I've, if you, the panel will allow me, I want to do a bit of a back and forth here.
So if I understand your position, the sole thing that is perhaps unequal in what you desire is just that you want the guy to pay for the first date and that's it?
Is that the only thing?
Not just, I would say the man needs to pursue initially.
That's okay.
But let's go into that and some of the other things.
So do you want the guy to, have you ever had a man approach you in person?
Yes.
And are you on dating apps?
Yes.
Okay.
Wait, do we have a dating app review we have to do?
Whose is that?
Is it hers?
Okay, we'll do that in a sec.
We'll do that in a sec.
Not now.
So I'm not really, yeah, anyway.
Okay.
Do you want the man to either approach you or send the first message if you match on a dating app?
Yes.
Okay, unequal.
Do you want the man to like I assume, for example, let's say he does.
I saw the first message on bumble.
Yeah.
Okay.
Hold on.
I literally said.
Hold on.
Let me get into that though because bumblebee.
Hold on.
On bumble, the very funny thing, as somebody who used bumble for a very long time.
Hold on, let me, okay.
The very funny thing with bumble is that while, yes, technically women do have to send the first message, what women, the vast majority of women on bumble do is they will send a token first message and immediately relinquish the conversational burden onto the man.
And the way, hold on, no, Most, no, most women on Bumble will just say hey, and then they shuck the rest of the conversational burden on the man.
They're not going to ask for the first date.
They're not going to carry the conversation.
They're not going to move things forward.
They're not going to solicit the number.
It doesn't apply to all women.
I'm not saying all women.
I'm saying most.
As somebody who was on Bumble for a long period of time.
On Tinder, the men.
And men do the same thing.
Yes, and women date it.
The difference is, though, if as women, because this is how women have dating on easy mode, if you just send a hay on Bumble, since that's a majority of what men get, we run with it and immediately we will take on the burden and responsibility.
No, what happens to you?
Well, I think it changed.
And then it's just like, what are you on?
What's up?
Well, that's because what's your typical opener?
Hey, right?
No, I mean, I don't know.
I probably, I look through their profile and then I reference something in their profile.
That's usually what I'm saying.
Okay, that's fair.
Now, so more often than not, though, when it comes to approaching, are you doing with approaching or is the man doing with approaching?
And what would you prefer?
I've approached in the past, for sure.
More often than not because you're not.
I definitely prefer it when the man approaches.
I prefer when the man approaches.
What about carrying and leading the conversation?
Like, because a guy can't just be doing that.
Well, hold on.
But a guy can't just walk up to you in a grocery store, for example, or Trader Joe's and just say, hey, right?
Why not?
Really?
I mean, why?
I don't know.
Because then you would just say, hey, and it falls.
Do you realize the burden of conversation?
Like, if I just shut the fuck up, right?
I didn't realize that's what you meant, literally.
Like, you were just like, oh, hey.
Like, that's it.
No, like, and he was trying to hit, and he stood there.
I didn't realize that's what you meant.
That'd be ridiculous.
Right.
So the burden of conversation, whether it's on a dating app or in person, at least initially, like if somebody approaches me and they just say, hi.
Yeah, that's weird.
It's weird.
Actually, in a business context, too, this fucking annoys me.
When people just text me, hi, or hey, I'm like, just ask your fucking question.
There's actually a website about this called No Hello, where it's like, anyways, we're not going to dive into that.
What about you match with somebody on the dating app or they approach you?
Who do you want to solicit the first date?
Like, hey, oh, I'd like to see you again.
Can I get your number?
After the first date, maybe?
No, So you're still talking, either on the dating app or you've been approached in person.
Who should solicit for the phone number?
Okay.
Who should solicit for the first date?
The man.
Okay.
Now, who should set up the date?
He gets your number.
He's texting you.
Who should try to move things forward and set the date up?
Ideally him, but.
Ideally, him.
Okay.
This is so hard for you, I know.
No, I'm just, it's men every time.
So now.
let's say you you have to cancel on the guy let me okay let's say you cancel on the guy How are you going to frame that message to him?
Sorry, I can't make it.
I'm not feeling well.
Do you mind?
Oh, my God.
Really?
You're just going to.
You can't.
You can't.
Really?
You're just going to run away.
I'm in the middle of a year.
She was already not feeling well.
Well, at least let me finish the convo thread.
Get her a Gatorade or something.
I don't know.
It's not going to help, but yeah, what were you saying?
Are you pregnant or something?
Yeah, sure.
Celibate for seven months, but pregnant.
Okay.
I don't know.
Okay.
You can't.
I actually said she was celibate until you asked her a couple of questions.
I think she knows we're celibacy.
So.
Repeat the question.
Yes, I'll repeat the question.
Let's say the guy sets up the date with you.
And this is a frequent occurrence when it comes to trying to plan dates with people.
Let's say you have to cancel the date.
How do you, what do you pretend, you know, what's the text you send?
I'm worried she's going to throw up.
Can someone just get her?
Hold on, just let her answer.
Just please.
I usually don't cancel on the date.
Let's just say you have you ever canceled.
I'd probably make up an no, I haven't, but I'd probably make up an excuse.
Like, I don't know, something just came up and you're not trying to get out of the date.
Let's just say something genuinely.
You have a work thing come up or something.
Okay, tell me how you would cancel.
Tom, I'm so sorry.
I have a work thing.
Oh, so you don't do the courteous thing, which would be to, hey, I'm so sorry I can't.
This is a thing often women do when they cancel dates.
Hey, I'm so sorry I can't make it.
You don't counter.
This is an etiquette, courtesy thing.
If you have to cancel a plan, the courteous thing is, etiquette thing is to offer a counter.
Oh, hey, I can't do today, but are you free next Wednesday?
I would.
You say that, but most people don't do that.
Well, if I genuinely didn't want to cancel the date, I'd be like, yeah, let's reschedule.
And then the burden goes back onto the guy to then follow up with you.
Right.
I'm making a lot of assumptions.
I usually.
I'm just like, okay, let's try next week instead.
Right.
Okay.
So then, but you're going to have him want to set up that second date, right?
No, If the first date was canceled and then we have to go on to like another date, we're rescheduling and he, whatever, like it doesn't, it doesn't matter if we're working together at this point to figure out the logistics.
Really?
You wouldn't just shuck the burden onto him?
No, because he's already made his move.
He's already said, look, I'm interested in you.
That's really all that you're doing.
That seems dubious, but okay.
Okay.
So now you're, let's say you're on the date.
Who has the burden of carrying, leading the conversation on the date?
They both should.
And if they don't come to the bottom of the city, check this out.
Okay, we're on a date.
You and me, let's roleplay this.
We're on a date.
Hey.
Hi.
What's up?
How are you?
I'm good.
Cool.
That's great.
I'm really glad for you.
You've already failed at carrying and leading the conversation.
I mean, you're not.
See, I can't do what a lot of women do on the first date, which is if a woman says that she's good, that's it, and just gives you one-word responses.
Like, that's not, like, she's not working with you on that.
I think she's probably not interested.
No, not necessarily.
I just think that typically when it comes to dating, women look towards men to actually carry and lead the conversation.
If I did what a lot of women do on first dates, look, some women are gifted conversationally, but most, if I just literally did what women did, we would just sit there in silence.
Like, maybe it's different because I'm a bartender, so I have to talk to lots of different people.
Well, that's also a much more social environment than like a prearranged date.
What a weird date, anyway, for the woman not to ask anything about you.
Yeah, I think that's strange.
I do think women have substance in their brain tasks, but they're just not quite aware.
I think that you might be going after girls that are like genuinely like, I know.
Yeah.
What is it?
Really?
At least when I...
Are you sure?
Because if they don't want to ask you questions, they either don't care or they don't want to.
Back when I was on date.
Back when I was on dating apps and I'm, oh, okay, I'm not done.
I have more.
I have more.
Okay, so let's continue, right?
Now, okay.
And you've already answered this, but who should.
Now, okay, let's say the date's going well.
You went to get food or a drink or whatever.
Who should pay for the date?
The first date, the man.
Okay.
And then should the date end there?
It depends.
Have you ever had the date go further?
Like you went back to his place, he went back to yours?
I've never done anything sexual on the first date.
Never.
No.
I don't believe those comments.
Have you ever hooked up with a guy the same day you met him, like at a party or some sort of event?
No.
None of us are on OnlyFans.
So that makes things even worse.
None of us are on OnlyFans.
Hold on.
Women who are.
Hold on.
Hold on, women who are, aren't you guys from Arizona, ASU?
People be fucking like within 30 minutes of meeting all the fucking time.
I didn't go to ASCD.
Whatever.
And yeah, it's true.
They have a big STD.
Okay, but we are not one of those women.
You go on a date with a guy, it goes well.
Generalizing.
Yeah.
Well.
There's going to be a second date, right?
Ideally.
Okay, who's going to set that up?
Him or you?
I mean, if you liked the second date, I mean, the first date, then you let him know.
You say, like, hey, I had a good time.
You know, I really enjoyed myself and whatnot.
And then if he's interested, he'll keep the drink.
So the burden remains on him.
No, I just said, she just said, hey, I have a good time.
And if he's also interested, then he will respond, right?
And then they'll be able to do that.
I had a good time too.
Dot, dot, dot.
Whose burden is it now?
Is that all you say when a girl says, I had a really good time and I really enjoyed it with you, then she's not going to go out on a second date, and that makes a lot of sense.
Wait, what's the difference why a woman wouldn't just be able to say, hey, you want to go out?
So what you're saying is if I reciprocate exactly what you say, so what you're basically admitting is the initiative, the burden.
Hold on, let me finish.
The burden of initiative, once again, falls on the man.
Not necessarily.
If you said afterwards, that date was really good, I had a really good time, and then next week I was like, hey, like, are you busy?
You want to do something again?
There's something.
Damn, it's going to, damn, you got to work on the game.
It's going to take you a week to go to ask the guy out.
Are you taking a girl out on a date every night?
No.
No, but you're waiting a week between messages to set up another table.
Ideally, you're talking back and forth, right?
If you're going to tell me, if a man is going to tell me I had a really good time on the date, I'm not just going to leave him hanging.
I'm going to respond to him, and then we're ideally going to be talking back and forth throughout the week.
And then I say that in person or over text?
Okay, let's move on.
So, I mean, it would seem to me that soliciting subsequent dates would also continue to fall on the man.
What about moving things forward physically?
Who should go for the first kiss?
Ideally, the men and the woman.
I don't know, to be honest.
That one's kind of how many first kisses have you had, or kisses have you had?
Three.
Three.
Of all the first kisses have you had, who initiated it?
My first one was pretty mutual.
My second one was also pretty mutual.
And then my third one, he initiated, and I didn't.
Would you have preferred if the guy, the guys took a bit more initiative on the first kiss?
No, I actually didn't like it.
Okay, well, I'll tell you this much.
Most men are going to have to make the first move when it comes to going for the first kiss.
What about moving things forward sexually?
I honestly, I'd rather, my personal preference is, I'd rather develop a deep relationship with someone before getting away from it.
So he's going to have to carry this for a long time then.
So let's assume you're going to be aware of that.
Which is why it's pretty hard for me to find somebody because a lot of men don't want to dance on.
Well, aren't you feminists?
Why would you want to wait to have sex?
I do think some of your views are contradicting right there.
Not really.
I think men and women are going to be aware of that.
I guess you could be feminist and not want to fuck people right away.
That's fair.
Okay.
But let's talk about when it comes to.
Let's talk about physicality, right?
Okay.
So I assume, let's say you're at that stage in the relationship where you're ready.
Would you want him to move things forward physically?
Yeah, but if you, if you're, I'm speaking from experience at this point, if you're at a rel like if you're at a point where you guys are already emotionally invested in each other, it's pretty mutual at that point if anything sexually happens.
Really?
Yes.
It's pretty hard for somebody to just like at that point you're on the same page.
You know what I mean?
What are you looking for in a long time?
Hold on, hold on.
So you're saying that, like, let's say you're, do you guys have, would you have an overt.
If you're already an overt conversation about, hey, we've been dating for three months.
I'd like to have sexual intercourse.
Is that how the conversation would go?
No, but I'm saying if you're dating, if you're official with somebody, you're not just dating.
It's like your boyfriend and girlfriend, you're actually like together for a long time.
It's like at that point, like, yeah, there's nothing, it's pretty, it's just a given.
It's going to go kiss each other.
Bras and shirts and clothes don't just magically get removed.
Typically.
It's mutual at that point, though.
You know what I mean?
It's not like a man making the first move.
They're both doing it together.
They know what they're.
I'm speaking from experience.
Like, you know what you're getting into at that point.
You know what I mean?
So you're saying you'd be the first to go and unzip his pants?
Right.
Potentially, yeah.
Like the first time.
Most women would feel like I'm a hussy if I'm going to go straight to the business.
Like the first time.
I've got a lot of women.
The first time you have sex.
Just so I'm clear, the first time you'll have sex, you're like, let's say he's not making the move.
You're just going to, like, he's not trying to take your top off.
I don't know how that.
Okay.
It's hard to imagine.
Because like, you say, like, how long do you wait?
Three months before you want to get intimate with somebody?
How long?
I would wait until we're official before getting into knowing anybody.
One month, two months, three months?
How long?
However long they think it needs to be until we're official.
Okay, you said you're not going to be able to do that.
I think you get a pretty good idea.
However long he thinks it should be before it becomes official.
So he's initiating the official mission?
No, no, it's two people.
So for me, I think three months, three months, as I was saying.
Okay, but is there, because if you, so you want to wait, right?
So are you saying like as soon as that conversation happens, he's like, hey, babe, I want you to be my girlfriend.
Oh, sorry.
But you said making something official would mean that there has to be some overt.
There'd have to be some overt conversation, right?
Yes.
Making it official, yes.
I didn't, not the sex part.
That's not a conversation.
It just happens.
But it happens pretty mutually.
It happens mutually, conveniently at the precise exact same time that you're going to be able to do it.
For the zippers, if you both are official and you're both dating and boyfriend and girlfriend, yeah, you're just going to go kiss because that's normal.
That's what you do.
You're going to hug because it's normal.
That's what you do.
Like, it's not a man making the initiation.
So it's, look, I guess, look, it can be totally a mutual thing.
I guess there's.
Yeah.
All right.
Let it go.
Let it go.
Let me, please, let me just finish.
I'm almost done.
Okay.
So you're just going to, when it comes to like moving things forward sexually, what's going on?
You're just going to.
It's going to be a mutual seduction.
Yeah, you both kiss at the same time.
You both, you both kissed me.
So you're just going to take your clothes off.
You don't want him to take your clothes off.
No, you both take your clothes off.
Like, why?
I don't understand how it's so hard for you to understand.
If you're already boyfriend and girlfriend and it's official, it's pretty mutual if you're kissing.
Yeah, in a relationship, yes, the woman's going to be, you know, she's going to initiate too.
But that's exactly it.
I would say, like, in a lot of relationships, like, a lot of women like it when the guy like takes her top off, takes her clothes off.
Okay, a lot of women, I would not care myself as not.
I feel like top shouldn't come.
I would definitely say that.
Until later down the road.
He could take my top off.
I could take my top off.
But you were married.
So the whole thing is so complicated.
We're talking about hoping.
So you're saying even the first time, the whole seduction.
Guys, hold on.
So when it comes to the first time having sex, the whole seduction, it's perfectly mutual.
There's no initiative on the man's part.
It's just a totally mutual.
I'm speaking from experience.
If you already have a very long-term emotional relationship set in place, by long-term, I mean like three months or longer, then like, yeah, you're already official.
You guys are already dating.
So for pretty much everything besides the seduction, I think it's a bit dubious, but fine.
I'll take your word for it.
It sounds like you want the man.
It took me, I belabored the fucking point.
You want the man to lead.
In the beginning.
Hold on.
That was a fuck ton of steps to get to the only point where I viewed it as kind of mutual, which was the seduction, the sex.
Three months down the road, that's a long time for the man to lead.
I'm saying that a man should lead on the first date with the first initiation.
After, if you guys both like the first dates, you guys should both be initiating with each other or talking to each other, chasing, simping each other, whatever it is.
It shouldn't be one way.
And if it's one way or one person's putting in more energy, then it's not worth it for either party.
It doesn't matter if the girl's putting in more energy than the boy or the boy's putting in more energy than the girl.
Either way, it's not worth it.
Can I say something?
Please.
I really don't think you need us here.
I think you guys can just hash it out.
I'm not gonna lie.
Because this is ridiculous.
You guys are going back and forth, and it's been nine.
It's nine o'clock right now.
Four hours.
This is ridiculous.
Four hours on.
And I don't know if you can just talk to her because she's the only one that absolutely disagrees with everyone on this panel.
And this whole comment section is annihilating everybody as if we all think the same.
We do only talking about her.
This is crazy.
No disrespect to you at all.
I've brought attention to you.
I've brought attention to you.
I have more questions for her, but she's answering straight up because I am so over it.
I'm so sorry.
But over it.
It's just and I know you're over it because you're not feeling well.
Hold on.
Let me just remind you that if I have my, if I have things correctly, with the exception of you, actually, every single one of you requested to be on the show.
So I kindly ask you to show respect for the platform.
This is the way the show goes.
You guys had months to do your research and see the nature of the conversations.
We're showing respect.
I'm just saying.
We've had respect this whole time.
I feel like we are showing love by being patient currently already.
And I'm just saying, you guys keep going back and forth.
Get to the next, the next question.
You know what's funny?
I actually was.
I actually was.
And you've just belabored this for another two or three minutes by having a meta-conversation.
I'm saying what everyone's thinking.
Maybe you're not thinking this.
That was literally it.
Well, hold on.
Let me.
That was it.
If that's what everybody's thinking, is that what you guys really are going to do?
Maybe not.
Maybe not.
But is everyone thinking it?
We can just do a show of hands.
No, I don't want to leave.
I would like, I just feel like the conversation that she, it just seems lingering.
Yeah.
Yes.
It's honing it on just a little bit.
And now it smells like cigarettes the whole time.
Some people are allergic to cigarette smoke.
Like, it actually does make me nauseous.
That's kind of gross.
Nothing we can do about it.
No, obviously.
I wish I would have worn perfume, though.
But we weren't allowed to.
Not to be disrespectful, just to cover the smell.
Like, it's gross.
We should get into rates.
Camels.
The moods are coming already.
Yeah, let's get into the superficial stuff that the people want.
Like what?
Let's rate ourselves so they can rate us back.
Let's talk about sex and stuff.
I don't know.
Like, come on.
Let's do it.
There is something interesting demographically about this panel that's different than most of ours.
I'll let the chat figure out what I mean by this and you can figure it out for yourself.
Okay, ask everyone to rate their looks on a scale of one to ten.
Go ahead.
If we're starting with you, with me, I think I'm a 12.
Yeah.
Like seven and a half.
Eight.
Undefined because it's subjective.
I'm sorry I'm not answering my question.
Just to answer the question.
Okay, I'm a seven.
Eight.
Eight.
Seven and a half.
Eight.
You can do whatever you want.
Wait, seven?
I said eight.
Eight.
Okay.
So you're a 12?
Yeah.
Okay.
I love your confidence.
Is it confidence or delusion?
It's definitely confidence.
I think.
I think that I am the most prettiest girl in the world.
Like, no offense to everyone else.
Everyone else here is fucking gorgeous.
Unfortunately.
Especially you.
I've been looking at you this whole entire time.
I'm like, Jesus Christ, dude.
yeah but like whenever i look at myself like you can you can pay me some did you do you feel like Do you feel like you were a 12 after the modifications or before?
I think I started feeling like a 12 after.
It's not about the modifications.
It's more about my mindset.
And like, there was at a point where I did think I was ugly, but like, I kind of went through that.
Yeah, you opened the door.
I kind of went through that.
And now I'm at a point where like I don't want to be anyone else.
I love myself.
I love my body.
I love my face and I love everything about me.
So yeah.
What do you think other people would rate you?
I know other people that would rate me like a 12 and then I know other people that would probably like a big let's say there's a hundred thousand people a cross section of men.
What do you think they would rate you on average?
Yes, some would rate you a 10 and some would rate you a zero.
On average, maybe like eight or nine.
There's a whole thing out there.
I was watching.
I was like, dang, I want to join them.
Yeah.
I mean, I typically, whenever I'm with a guy, they tell me like I am the prettiest or one of the most beautiful women that they've ever been with.
You think it would go over well if a guy said you're mid?
Like if he's trying to fuck you and he's like, yeah, you're kind of mid, let's fuck.
I mean, I think it'd go over well.
Yeah.
Okay.
Maybe she likes degradation, I guess.
I like people who sometimes degrade me.
And then I wouldn't say that out loud.
That would invalidates you immediately.
But yeah.
Okay.
All right.
You respect yourself.
You don't respect yourself because you want people to degrade you, but you're 12.
Yeah.
I don't care if people degrade me because it doesn't, like, actually come off.
Like, it doesn't hurt you.
Spiritually, it hurts you, I promise.
I don't think so.
One question.
Do you think you can tell me that?
25, right?
Yeah.
Do you think you'll be more attractive in 10 years than you are now?
Yeah.
Do you think you'll be more attractive in 20 years?
Yeah.
30 years?
Okay, now you're just...
No, it's like, it's...
I'm a magic person, right?
I'm 25.
Yeah.
I'm like a manifestation bag or whatever you want to call it.
But for me, I feel like I've been manifesting that I just keep getting hotter.
And so whenever I look at myself, I just feel like I'm getting off.
What about when you're 75 and 50 years?
I still think I'll be hot.
That's not the question.
Will you be more attractive than you are now, all else being more?
That's the question I'm asking.
Beyond.
It's probably just the same.
Honestly.
Bro, you're delusional.
I think.
You're delusional.
Well, I look at myself as a little bit more.
That is an actual delusion.
Yeah, like Max proved it.
There's no way you're getting hotter at all.
She's going to be 75.
Yeah, aging can be a lot of fun.
Yeah, but I can crack all these curious stacking.
I know a lot of people take care of yourself.
I mean, yeah, but I take care of myself.
But there's a lot of black women that I've seen that are like 60, 70 years old, and they still look young.
Yeah, but you haven't seen their 20-year-old pictures.
You don't know that they're hotter than when they were 25.
Why aren't all the black supermodels 75 instead of 25?
Why is that?
Because we like youngness.
Like, what are you asking me right now?
But if you looked the same and people wouldn't be able to tell that you're older, I am not hotter if you look at it.
I'm not going to be like attractive.
That's why you have a bunch of girls just going out and just lying.
I'm in my prime right now.
Well, thank you for 20 years ago.
Reasonable.
20 years ago.
Right.
All right.
Jeez.
And you said it's subjective, or what was your thing?
Yeah, beauty is subjective.
Beauty is subjective.
You can't get prettier as you age.
But you don't think you can get prettier?
As you age, no.
Yeah, you took off in mind.
Really?
As you age?
I think you go like this, and then you get it.
And then you go like this.
As you like, I think a lot of your confidence.
I think a lot of it is that.
I mean, no one's like super banging, you know, in middle school.
And your confidence is like super low.
And then I feel like as you get older, I mean, I'm now in my 30s and I'm vaguely confident.
I'm paying to wear, you know, I'm seven, but I'm banging.
Wait, so are you saying that you can't make, like, you can't look at somebody and there can be no differentiation in terms of this person is more attractive than this person?
No, there can, but it's subjective.
What one guy thinks is more attractive is average.
But let me ask you a question.
If I pulled, say, the entire population of the world and I showed them a picture of guy A and guy B, do you think that there would be like, could there be an overwhelming consensus where like 99% of people were like guy A is more attractive than guy B, even if we pulled.
If one's way uglier than the other, yes.
If they're both equal to the same thing.
Well, there is some objectivity to it then.
Yeah.
Because you said one guy is way ugly.
There is objectivity to beauty for sure.
If you don't try at all, then you're ugly.
But you just said it's subjective.
Beauty is subjective.
To a degree.
Are you going to make it?
To us, you're the prettiest girl in the world.
Then your compliments are disingenuous to woman.
Strange, you reached that epiphany only after you altered the objective rating under the alterations.
I don't think it was disingenuous.
It was literally like, I meant it from the heart.
I've been looking at that.
Which door was that?
All right.
All right.
Let me do a, let me read two.
We have two chats here coming in, and then I have more questions for you.
We have Killa of Cereal again.
Leadership means setting an example.
Leaders also do the work that they ask from their followers from the front line in a positive moral guiding sense.
Leaders want your full potential just to push.
Ladies, oh, wait, hold on.
There's another one coming up.
From Tori.
Thank you, Killa of Cereal, man.
Appreciate your message.
Good to see you.
As always, in the chat.
And we have Tori here.
Ladies, why do you think there's a timeline correlation between the increase of feminism and the increased experience of depression in society as a whole?
Could it be a biological needs?
Duh.
Absolutely.
And we just literally said that we took women out of the house doing their perfect, perfect role of being happily married and raising children and told them to go be boss babes and slave away and act like men and carry their own luggage and change their entires.
So yeah.
Okay.
Sounds depressing.
All right.
Let's see here.
We do, okay, we're going to bring it back to Jaden here.
You wanted to talk about, you said that the, and we'll get the whole panel to answer this, the gender pay gap is a very real thing.
So going around the table, is the wage gap, gender pay gap real?
No, I don't think so.
Actually, from research I'd done, I learned that the gender pay gap is not that big anymore.
So I did more research after I sent.
Did you?
Yeah, yeah, I did more research after I sent that.
I'm not ignorant.
I want to learn and stuff.
All right.
You initially wrote that in your notes, but your viewpoint has changed.
Yeah, yeah.
From being impressive.
All right, there you go.
There's growth.
I'm ignorant on the matter, but I believe women are blessed to carry and nurture and raise children.
So if there's a gap there in their wages because they get to go do that, you can be okay with that.
Earnings gap, right?
Okay.
Yeah, I second that.
It's the same.
Yeah, yeah, I agree.
Thank you, Ivory.
All right.
And you.
Andrew, do you want to do a quick 30-second debunking of the wage gap?
I mean, do we even need to?
None of them believe in it.
We'll just just get the why of what, you know, the why of it.
Yeah.
There's probably viewers.
I wish she was back because I'm sure she's not.
I don't, because then it would lead to a whole new debate.
There's not a wage gap.
And I don't think your stomach can handle it right now.
It's like 18 cents or the 98 cents or something like that.
What?
You mean what is currently looked at?
Well, I mean, that's what the claim is.
For like the same thing.
There really never really was a wage gap anyway.
What would happen is men work a lot longer hours and women get things like paternity leave.
They want to take vacations more.
They want to do things like this so they can stay at home with their kids.
And so what ends up happening is it's risky to hire them.
It's riskier to hire women for a lot of this.
Well, that's also their role.
They're supposed to stay home and take care of their kids.
Yeah, I agree, but I'm just saying, think of it from an employer standpoint.
So employers like to hire men who have families as well.
The reason they do is because they think that men are going to stay at that job for longer.
Loyalty.
Right.
Well, it makes a lot of sense, right?
You can't really just leave a job if you are dependent on the pay to take care of your family.
So when they look at it, they're like, well, this is great, right?
If you have a family, that's one thing that employers will look at and say, well, you're probably going to be stable, this type of thing.
But if you were an employer and you were looking at a woman, let's say she was in her 20s to her really early 30s, and when you were interviewing her, she said things to you like, yeah, we might try for kid number three or we might try.
The risk drastically goes up, right?
So definitely.
Yeah, so I mean all that has to be taken into account and also the fact that men just work a lot more hours generally than women do even when they're in the same jobs.
And that's not the problem.
The problem when you're looking at that data is it's really hard to make controls.
So all that data is only as good as the controls that you have.
So you can make it say whatever the hell you want depending on what you control for.
Right.
all right moving on you also mentioned there's a lot here so i won't be able to get everything but don't i don't care You said women's sports are taken less seriously.
Is that really an objection?
Isn't that women's fault, though, because it's like women don't watch women's sports?
I mean, I do.
You do, but I do not watch women's sports.
I do not.
There's nothing stopping women from going to go support the WNBA, but they don't.
In the same way that men support NBA.
What's that?
Nothing.
Wait, I have a question for you, though.
Can you name three WNBA players?
Yeah, the famous ones.
I don't really care about basketball.
Oh.
Brittany.
So do you have a problem with women's sports being taken less seriously?
I just think it's always the WNBA, though.
The WNBA?
I don't watch sports.
Oh, because I thought he said, do you watch it?
And you said, yeah.
Well, I do.
He said, I watch it.
Oh, just tennis, actually.
Oh, tennis.
Yeah.
Can you name anything?
I see what you mean.
Can you name any NBA players?
Come on.
Oh, LeBron James.
Michael Jordan.
Nobody, okay.
But you watch female tennis?
Well, he asked me.
He asked me.
I thought you were supposed to be a woman.
Yeah, I love Maria Sharipova, but she ended up getting in trouble for somebody else.
Can you name three of them?
Serena Williams, Venus Williams, Maria Sharipova, Madison Keys.
Okay.
All right, moving on.
Let's see here.
You wanted to talk about.
I also feel like guys on the podcast always think they're right.
And as much as you feel like the girls don't hear you out, you also have your mindset and won't see the side of the woman.
And that the women are supposed to just submit to a man.
Could be wrong, but this is what I've noticed.
But I find it strange that a man wouldn't want to consult with a woman about big discussions or decisions as you don't always know what a woman wants and men don't always know what's best.
Even masculine women, even a masculine woman, I believe there's supposed to be a unity to a man and woman's relationship behind every great man is an even greater woman.
We talked about that.
It's a good woman.
I don't know what I meant to say, but well, these are your nuts.
I don't know.
If you're a man that feels no compassion and is prideful, you're still half a man.
Okay.
That was kind of just saying what I was talking about earlier.
Like, women should submit to a good man.
Absolutely.
And I'm just like.
There's weirdos.
Absolutely.
100%.
Yes.
Creepy dudes.
Don't date those people.
No, I'm just saying, I think creepy dudes, like, I think you should also tell men to do better because I think creepy dudes ruin the chance for some of the good men.
Sure.
Absolutely.
So, like, that's all.
That's all.
I don't disagree with you.
The one thing, though, is you did say at the beginning here, I also feel like guys on the podcast always think they're right.
Well, I'm firm in my beliefs.
So this isn't like a change my mind segment.
This is a, I'm going to combat your viewpoints and your worldview.
And I think Andrew would probably agree with that.
I don't think he's here to have his mind changed.
I think you're always supposed to win.
I'm pretty sure it says a person with I'm happy to have my mind changed.
Like, I think that that's what keeps your argument strong and what keeps your mind sharp is iron sharpens iron.
Sure.
And so I want to have my mind changed on things.
It just usually doesn't get changed because I don't hear a lot of good arguments.
And then when we start getting into it, people get super offended.
They get upset.
They tone police.
They do everything in the world except argue, which drives me crazy.
I liked your response better than I liked his.
Yeah, so I haven't gotten my mind changed very much.
Right.
And the thing is, I've noticed I'll sit in a room full of men and we'll argue the same exact way I'm arguing with you guys.
Right.
The distinction is.
Yeah, sure.
What's so funny, they do it.
They hit us.
I mean, they hit us back too, right?
They'll be like, oh, you know what I mean?
And we were too.
Yeah.
But it was.
No, but not really.
So here's the thing that's interesting.
Black Flame Nova donated $200.
Andrew seems so done with it tonight might be the beer.
1,000 yards death from having to listen to so many modern women on the show with low IQ feminist failed family issues.
Like a nagging Wi-Fi.
Thank you.
No, I had to pull back on some of the issues because of just what they were.
But anyway, yeah, they'll argue brutally.
They don't give a shit, right?
And I don't even take it personally.
They don't take it personally either.
But I just noticed that women who want to be treated equally, right, we want to be equal.
First thing they start doing is tone policing and being upset with how a thing is said rather than what I'm saying.
I never said I want to be equal.
Rather than what is said.
I do.
This is what I've noticed.
I just wanted to say.
This is what I've noticed.
And it's just interesting to me, the distinction in perception, because I'd say the best thing I could do is treat everybody here just like I would treat men when I debate them.
So I'm taking you literally at face value that you're just as good as any man who's sitting there to debate with me.
And instead I get, I can't believe how you just said that.
I'm like, what the fuck is this?
Right?
Drives me crazy.
I'm like, what the fuck are you talking about?
We're having a debate.
Let's do it.
That's the way that I see it.
And so, no, you know, maybe Brian is setting his belief structure.
I'm happy to have my mind changed.
But I can't have my mind changed if every time you're in an argument, people get upset with the way a thing is said, which way it's said, how it's said.
It's just nonsense.
Well, Andrew, if I may say, I'm sure you would agree that there are some things that are just so patently absurd that you would never, you know, you can never even agree with something that's just preposterous.
Yeah, but what I try to do, even though women say insane ass shit on this show, that's true.
Not all women.
Okay, but they do.
I still try to actually engage with it.
You're growing.
So I'm trying to understand it from their perspective.
So even though it may sound insane to me, I'm like, okay, maybe I can at least entertain the idea, right?
So I can try to at least understand where they're coming from.
It doesn't feel like that's what you're doing.
Right, but that's my, but this is my, but this is my whole point, right?
It would feel like that to a bunch of men who are in the room.
To be honest, it does feel like that.
I just feel like we disagree.
Yeah, for you, it's fine, right?
But I'm just saying the overarching tone policing things like this.
What you just said is key, right?
I feel like.
I feel like.
For me, I disassociate feeling.
I'm just here to have an argument, right?
I'm here to argue my position, my worldview, the best way that I possibly can.
Okay.
And I've heard Andrew arguing with men, and he argues, he'll call them idiots.
He'll, you know.
That's just not based upon mutual respect, though.
So that's all I'm saying.
It's totally fine.
You can argue however you want.
It's just not that respectful.
That's all.
And they'll call me that too.
And I just let it roll right off.
Absolutely.
Not respect from them either.
Keep it moving.
Yeah.
Keep moving.
I've said things on this today that probably aren't respectful, and I don't.
I apologize for that, too, by the way.
You have to apologize.
It doesn't bother me.
Awesome.
You know what I mean?
I'm just explaining to you that it's totally unproductive to have the conversation or the debate if what ends up happening is you have to retract and pull back and you can't have the argument because the other person gets so wrapped up in emotions that you can't even have a discussion with them.
I would have cried if I was emotional.
You could say whatever you want.
We just like, like she said, we just do not agree with everything.
Anything.
Yeah.
Fundamentally.
Because you were gone, I promise we won't linger too long.
But because you were gone, we asked about the wage gap.
Even if you disagree, I promise we won't linger long on it.
What's your position on the wage gap?
Exists, doesn't exist, the gender pay gap, wage gap, whatever.
Sorry.
I don't really know, to be honest.
I think it's...
You know, the whole women make 77.
Yeah, no, I think it's like hard to tell because you'd have to go into the details of what roles they actually have and what roles the man has and whatever.
It's only as good as the controls.
Yeah, basically.
I don't necessarily, I don't know if, I don't, yeah.
Andrew said it.
And we actually are getting to your pre-show notes here.
You said there's not many, but you said maybe the worst date I can think of is a guy that picked me up with no plan in mind, took me to a pizza shop and didn't eat anything LMAO.
That was weird, but other than that, I can't really think of anything crazy.
Yeah.
This does, again, I won't belabor it, but it does kind of go back to this, like, you don't want the man to lead, but in this scenario, the one bad date that you provided was because he didn't leave.
There's a failure of leadership there, and that was like a majority of the state.
But I said the first date he should lead, right?
But here's the thing.
Here's the thing, right?
And again, we won't belabor this point.
So.
Schrödinger's feminist.
I'm telling you.
Schrödinger's feminist.
So, in my view, I don't think leadership in men is not like something that you just can turn off and on.
That's true.
Like, it's like you want a guy who leads, like, he's going to take initiative in other aspects.
Okay.
I don't necessarily think if a man plans the first date that he's a leader, an alpha, blah, I didn't say that.
It seems like that's not a good idea.
That is him taking the lead, though.
Yeah, no, for sure.
And it's commendable, but I don't necessarily, like, I think that if you're asking a girl out, first of all, which we have already established, that's what I think my position is.
The man should be the one making the first move originally or initially.
If you're going to do that, then.
Yeah, like I think.
How come it's not equal?
What do you mean it's not equal?
How come you don't equally go out and ask men on the first date and equally pay on the first date?
Because I think that just because people have different sorry.
First of all, I'm speaking personally.
I prefer when a man initiates.
And I would assume that most women do.
Why?
Probably because it makes them feel wanted, right?
And a lot of girls don't necessarily feel wanted by men.
Whoa, that's a crazy statement.
That's a crazy statement.
You're crazy to say man.
Do you realize the, like, the just sheer amount of like sexual attention?
Or you think about it.
I think she means not sexual.
Hold on, fine.
Let me say the second part of this.
And romantic attention that you get.
Women are.
There's an absolute oversaturation of desire going towards men, towards women.
Do you think it's the case that women are like coming onto men and hitting on men and just like you're delusional?
No, I'm not delusional.
You're delusional.
It happens to really attractive men.
It is true.
Yes, the apex.
Yes, it happens to the apex of men.
Well, that's what I'm saying.
Whereas even that fit like all of the girls.
So whereas, okay, I will agree with you that here's the difference, right?
An average-looking woman, even an ugly woman, she has the same sexual optionality, which will include attention, validation, and even romantic attention.
An average-looking woman has the same sexual optionality as a male celebrity.
As a man, yeah, hold on.
In order for a man to have the same sexual optionality as even an average-looking woman, he needs to be an A-list celebrity.
He needs to be professional athlete.
Yes, hold on, hold on.
Yes, he does.
He needs to be a professional athlete.
He needs to be a fucking famous something, have massive status.
Yes, he does.
I think that's just based on what you men compare each other to.
Like, those OnlyFan girls that say that you're not.
So you think they have that.
You think an average-looking dude could like fuck three new girls in the middle of the moment?
I think it's why the status.
I think it's about set.
I don't fucking know.
I think it's about the effort that they put into their looks.
And a lot of guys do not put any effort into their looks.
They sit back and they say, if I have money and if I do X, Y, and Z, then she'll sleep with me at the moment.
Because she'll marry me.
It's true.
All these girls sleep with men because they have money.
A lot of girls will, yeah, for sure.
But a lot of girls also don't want to marry or date a guy that they're not attracted to.
And a lot of guys don't put any effort into their looks.
They just sloppy.
But if you're attracted to them, they expect all of the women to initiate with them.
It's like, hello.
Girls try.
We put effort into our looks.
We actually do things to make ourselves look presentable.
So yeah, it makes a lot of sense that we'd want somebody to approach.
If a guy was very attractive, I would approach him.
I'd have no problem approaching him.
I would actually argue, though, even when men do put, like, do do the things that they can, bear in mind that things like typically plastic surgery and the use of makeup is precluded from use by males in terms of like a guy could, yes, any man could conceivably put on makeup, but I would argue most women are going to be like, that's kind of weird.
But like, working with the music, I'm not talking about, yeah, I'm not talking necessarily about makeup because obviously that's like more, I mean, I guess if they wanted to, men could make makeup for men, but like that's not really what I'm referring to.
Right, but men don't have the same capacity as men.
I've already married in Shakespeare.
I'm referring to their style, their aesthetic, their fashion, their hair, that hair girl.
That's metro sexual shit.
Listen, I'm going to be honest.
I think men are meant to be a little rough.
Like, obviously, take care of your grooming, have good hyperscalers.
Then you guys are going to complain when girls don't want to sleep with you.
This is like...
We want to sleep with someone we are attracted to.
That is why hypergamy exists because only 10% of guys either build it without the money.
That's not the realm of going into their looks.
Yeah, the rest of them think that it's gay and feminine if you even invest even a fraction of the menu.
Do you think that hypergamy exists because men don't make themselves look like feminine enough?
No, dear.
There's too much of that going on nowadays.
Like way too much of this soy boy going on.
I'm super confused.
Attractive how?
You put effort into your style.
You put effort into the way you look, your hair.
You take care of your hygiene.
You work out.
You go to the gym.
Like all that stuff.
Okay, but girls do it with like you dress to work.
You dress to work very nicely, but then with women, maybe like most men don't wear dress to work nice.
I don't know.
I'm a server.
I see a lot of men dress up for you.
They wear this every day, I assume, right?
Yeah, but if that really go ahead, go ahead.
If that really good-looking, fit, attractive, takes care of himself guy gets out of like a beat-up Ford Pinto, he's not the same dude.
Because it's like he takes care of his body, but he doesn't take care of his life or his lifestyle or his finances or his job.
So I completely disagree that if a guy is good looking, I'm going to sleep with him.
He's got his life like a fish.
If a man is good looking, he cannot have a job.
Can you let her finish?
Let her finish.
Sorry.
Not.
It is not shallow by any means for a woman to say.
I would like for you to be decently attractive, but I would also like for you to have your finances in order, your bills paid, your house in order, like you take care of your life.
And sometimes that equates to, yeah, he might be well off.
It's not just he looks good.
I would never just go for a guy because I'm taking care of himself.
She was saying for sex.
That's not talking about relationship.
I'm talking about men.
Literally getting laid.
Like, men in general just have this problem.
I grew up around, like, I grew up in a men-only household.
I didn't have any girls around me.
One of my siblings was very insecure growing up.
And he would tell me that, like, and I was friends with his friends.
His friends thought the same way.
Like, they all think very same.
It's very insecure.
They feel like if they're ugly from the get-go, then why should they put effort into their looks?
Because if they try and they're still ugly, that'll make them feel worse than if they try.
And then if they don't try at all and they're just ugly by default.
That's where your worldview is coming from, though.
Like, I don't think.
I know a lot of men think this way.
A lot of men.
If you start to engage with a lot of men, they only think that they're not.
I feel like men here only want money.
They only want this.
Hang on.
Hang on.
Let's take a poll of the men here.
The opposite is true.
So men, this was my experience, right?
With me and all my friends, et cetera, et cetera.
If we were dating, or you're going out on dates, things like that, yeah, they would go to, not only go to the gym, but they would try to find nice clothing.
They talk to each other about different things to wear, all that type of stuff.
All of them were like that.
But it's not majority of men.
Yeah, I don't think you can make that statement.
You think it is.
Competently back it up.
I think that most men, yeah, I think that if they're trying to attract a mate, yeah, I think that they try to do something.
Yeah, I don't think that's true.
Maybe.
Maybe I just think men are.
They also try to develop other traits that attract women, like a personality, a sense of humor.
Because women are always like money, money, money.
So they're going to try to get a lot of money.
I don't think that they look at beauty standards the same way.
I think that women are starting to now because, again, we're no longer, we don't have to get married in order to participate in society.
So if we're going to get married to a man and we're going to have to have sex with him for like, what, five days a week?
We have to have sex.
You should love, man.
I love.
That's what I'm saying.
That is what I'm saying.
You should want to sleep with someone you're attracted to.
It shouldn't feel like it's a chore.
I know.
It just sounds like it's.
This is like you have such a horrible view of men, and I don't know if it's going to ever change.
I just have a horrible view of men.
I'm friends with a lot of guys.
I have a horrible view of friends.
You don't have a good, you haven't had a good solid relationship with a man that is attractive, that you're sexually attracted to.
I've had a two-year relationship.
I've had multiple year-long relationships.
Was it a dead bedroom in that relationship?
Which one?
The two-year.
Both of them are honestly dead.
Do you know what I mean when I say dead bedroom?
Yeah, like it was.
Wait, can you stop playing with that?
Yes.
So both of them were dead bedrooms?
Yeah, both of them.
Okay, there's a common denominator, though.
It was what?
My fault.
It was your fault.
Yes.
How did it end up becoming a dead bedroom?
Well, I was very inexperienced sexually.
Why would that matter?
Well, the first guy I wasn't really super attracted to.
And then the second guy.
You're too far from the mind.
Sorry.
And then the second guy.
And then the second guy, I don't know, we just didn't really have any, it didn't work.
So why did you not work sentimentally?
How long did you date the second guy for?
I think a year and a half.
Why would you?
You just kept having sex with them and you didn't like it?
No, I mean, I would have kept trying to make it work.
No, not like that.
I would have kept trying just to see if me.
I can fix her.
I'll fix you.
Feminists with laundry list of requirements.
Good thing I bring a weight scale when I meet women in public along with makeup wipes asking a woman's body countant between age 18 to 25.
Is that fair?
You're not getting laid, brave.
That's a good idea, bro.
Bringing a weight scale?
The makeup wipes I ended up with.
He's trying to point out the hypocrisy of women watching.
I'm sorry, but then we show up with caked on makeup and lying about our weight on Tinder apps and things like that.
And men lie about their heights.
I mean, I'm not on any dating assistance.
Wait, thank you, beaten cheeks.
Wait, let's get back to the dead bedroom situation.
So, okay.
Wait, you said you've had priorities.
You've had, if I recall correctly, you said you've had three, was it three relationships?
Two relationships and one Friends with Benefits.
Friends with Benefits?
Wait, it was a Friends with Benefits.
How long did you wait?
Because that's what made me realize I didn't want to do that again.
You don't want to do it again.
So you guys hooked up first night?
No, no.
Second night, third night?
It was like two months, three months.
Oh, that's not even that fast.
No, it's not.
But it's still friends with the relationship.
It wasn't official.
Okay.
But so for you, you said you were in a two-year relationship.
That was a dead bedroom.
Yeah.
Because of you?
Well, it wasn't really a dead bedroom for him.
It was for me.
Wait, okay, just to be clear, so a dead bedroom is like there's no sex?
We never had sex.
Just in general, but I gave him blowjobs all the time.
Did you have sex once or twice?
We're getting explicit.
That's fine.
I don't mind being good and talking about the deets.
Daddy's going to watch this.
It's okay.
It's okay.
Just let her answer.
Okay.
Wait, so you never had sex with him, though?
The first one, no.
That's the two-year relationship.
That's a weird relationship.
I got into it not thinking that it was going to last because I was religiously Jewish at the time.
And so when I got into it, I was like, there's no, like, this is ending.
And that was like my.
Okay, well.
And then you stayed with me.
Well, we both liked each other a lot.
And then, yeah, we stayed each other for two years.
And then I was like, you're right.
That's my dating advice.
Don't date without purpose.
Bait for purpose.
Your other relationship, your other relationship, it was a dead bedroom too?
Second one?
Yeah.
But you did have sex.
We had sex.
I think that was more his fault, though, than mine.
Like he wasn't initiating?
No, he was.
I think he didn't really know how to be with a girl who had not much experience like me.
So because of that, he was expecting me to behave in a certain way, and I was like, What do you mean, behave how?
Like, I don't know.
He wanted me to.
Like, take initiative?
Perhaps.
I don't know, but I don't really know what I'm doing in that regard.
So I kind of just needed somebody to do that.
But you do want a guy to lead.
There you go.
Okay.
Well, okay, that totally contradicts what we were talking about earlier.
Moving things on, you said that no, it doesn't.
Okay, whatever.
I would have been fine in that relationship if he'd kept if he was committed, you know what I mean?
But he was like fucking around because our sex wasn't that good anyways, and then I was like, okay, I'm done with you.
The sex is bad?
Yeah, that's why the bedroom was dead.
Did you communicate with him about this?
He knew the sex is bad.
I was.
What do you mean he knew this?
I was not wet.
I'm guiding you.
You weren't wet?
I wasn't wet.
I was dry.
Basically, she was not attracted to him.
She did not like it.
She didn't.
No, I think he was just bad at foreplay and perhaps might have had porn brain or something.
Like, he always said stuff like, I'm such a porn star or whatever.
Oh, yeah.
There was no foreplay or there wasn't weapons.
He was not very good at foreplay.
Definitely the first boyfriend was better with foreplay.
I hope they're listening.
I hope these boyfriends are listening.
I feel bad.
I really hope they're not listening.
Before we get into your point that hypergamy is men's fault, I do want to wrap up the conversation about you seem to think that you're pushing back on it.
Was my position that geez, I'm trying to remember exactly what it was.
We were basically arguing about how women have more sexual options than men, and you seem to disagree there.
No, I don't disagree on that.
You're saying that average.
You're saying an ugly average woman would have the same amount as an attractive man.
Yeah, has more sexual optionality.
I disagree with you.
I think you underestimate the amount of options that an attractive man has.
I know a lot of women have standards.
Hold on.
So if we're talking about average, comparing average women to average men.
Oh, if we're talking about average women, then yes, average women have more sexual options.
Far more.
Yeah, for sure.
An average woman, if she was so inclined, could fuck three new guys a day.
100%.
An average man?
Hookup culture is not available to most men.
If hookup culture is like being able to have casual sexual encounters.
Like, I care about attraction, obviously, but I know a lot of girls that don't really care about whether they're like whatever is like that attractive.
But it's the personality that really wins them over.
That's not what I'm arguing, though.
That's not what I'm arguing.
I'm saying that any woman, even if she's really unattractive, has access to hookup culture.
She might not actually engage in it, but she has access to it.
Whereas I would argue fairly few men have access to hookup culture.
So that's where I don't think that they don't have access to access.
It probably makes them like they definitely have to try harder.
And I think the reason for this disparity is because women genuinely do try pretty hard to be a good partner for a man.
And then, yeah, I don't think men do.
I think men have this idea.
Really, women put in a lot of things.
Let me change girl.
Somebody hurt you.
Somebody hurt you.
Allow me to rephrase.
Men put in your mind.
I don't know much in the courtship process.
What do you bring to the table?
What I meant to say is that you have men put their efforts in the wrong places.
How so?
What efforts?
Like, for example, they're like, okay, we don't have to try at all on our attraction or our hygiene or ours.
If we just try in these aspects, it's fine.
Whereas a woman is like, I have to be pretty.
I have to have a job.
I have to do all these things.
Have a job.
Today, you have to have a job.
Girls don't finally have any of that.
I'm not saying that, but I'm saying you can totally find a girl with a girl.
I will be okay with dating her, though.
That is completely true.
Okay, but he's not going to be able to date her because he's going to be like, I don't have enough money yet.
I need to make more money.
Okay, that's 80K.
So then you need to date people that are older, probably then.
That's why.
No one's going to be rich at 24.
But that's why they are.
It takes time.
That's why I don't necessarily have that standard, right?
I'm not necessarily like, I think you, I work at home.
First of all, I'm a freelancer.
So it helps because I don't necessarily think he has to be the only one making money because I can make money from home.
Going to Amazon?
Yeah, it's not on Amazon, but I help people who work with Amazon.
Okay.
But yeah.
Like companies that work with Amazon?
Yeah, so I don't necessarily need him to be the only Broadway.
He's not like in the way.
I mean, I would actually argue, though, I mean, just you said that, well, men don't have to focus on their looks and women have there's these beauty standards that women have to focus.
No, I said men should focus on their looks more.
Well, here's the other here's the other kind of issue is that women's assessment of men's physical appearance, like men will grade women on a bell curve, whereas women have a very disproportionate assessment of men's physical attractiveness.
For example, I think this, and Nick, you might have some graphs or something.
Yeah, they basically find them attractive.
Yeah, women find 80% of men unattractive.
Okay, that's not.
So while 80% of them are not attracted to them.
I'm not going to say that all are attracted to it.
I'm not going to say that all 80% of them are not trying at all, but I would argue that a large majority of that 80% is probably putting very little to no effort into their looks.
And that's why women think.
I don't know.
I've seen some nasty girls.
So I just want to, as long as we're bashing men over here, I'm like, I've seen some girls who are trying to get it.
Girls can be really ugly sometimes, but for the most part, girls have a lot of money.
Have you seen y'all bathrooms?
Y'all bathrooms are fucked.
I mean, our bathrooms?
Women's bathrooms are.
He's correct.
I walk into bathrooms most of the time and say, I cannot believe this is a woman's bathroom.
This is disgusting.
Women have failed us.
Way worse.
Yeah, bro.
Y'all piss over all over the fucking seat, all that shit.
Wait, why are you in women's restrooms?
I've heard from women and nothing.
Why are men a male restroom?
I opened a male's restroom the other day in the gas station on the way here.
Do you know why our bathrooms are so disgusting like that?
Because now there's men identifying as women coming in there and they're messing it all up.
That's not it.
The women's bathrooms are all in the middle of the moment.
I've seen women's tampons all over the floor.
It's not.
Those are also from men.
Okay, all right.
All right.
Do we do the what?
Oh, so one of her things was like hypergamy.
Let's skip to the hypergamy chart because she actually has a tweet about it that you retweeted recently.
So you say hypergamy is men's fault, correct?
Yeah.
Pull up her tweet first, and then we'll go to our chart.
Bringing up my tweets.
Great.
So are you like a plant feminist?
I'm a feminist.
Like a plant feminist.
I think men and women should be equal.
I just don't think you should.
Everything you say doesn't go with that for the first month.
You think women should be treated with respect.
I don't think that's a good question.
I think the men should make the first move.
Can you already went through all of that?
You are not.
But if he's really attractive, I'll make the first move.
I've done it before.
Cap.
I don't care.
So you retweeted this.
You retweeted this.
This image has broken the psyches of hundreds of thousands of 18 to 24-year-old men who do not touch grass.
Scroll down.
Scroll out.
Actually, that's fine right there.
So this is, Nick, and show us the hypergamy chart now.
All right so this is typically the way this is more easily make a smaller place This is typically how this infographic is presented, not the weird cube one or block one or whatever.
So on the left, you have whom men would happily partner with, and on the right, you have whom women would happily partner with.
Well, I mean, this is actually, you say, I mean, you retweeted that tweet, so I assume you agree with it.
I agree, Herbert.
I mean, this is actually a phenomenon.
Yeah, I agree.
It exists.
I'm not going to disagree with you on that.
I just think that men would rather, especially respectfully on podcasts like these, they would rather blame the women instead of looking internally and saying, okay, what can we do to improve?
Because a lot of, and I'm not saying that.
But that is female hypergamy.
What do you mean?
Well, women don't just tend to accept men as they are.
Men have to level up in various ways.
Don't you think if you're supposed to be fit to leave home, you should have like you should be a very intelligent, educated man.
And there's a lot of not those.
Would you not be frustrated if women?
I don't think to not be a nagging wife, right?
That one of the things that you'd bring to the table.
Well, it seems like men would look for anything, though.
Maybe something you'd bring to the table would be humbleness, right?
Maybe the ability to back off a little bit on criticisms, things like this.
Jesus Christ was a humble servant.
You can serve your husband.
Yeah, so one of the things that I look at when I see a chart like that, so it's showing the top three if you pull the chart back up.
Right.
You say hypergamy is real and it's correct.
It's men's fault because they're not dressing as nice.
They're not doing their hair up as good.
They're not going to the acute women as much.
They don't work on themselves.
They'd rather just blame it all on women.
So it's all a women problem.
And while there are no doubt women who definitely do contribute to hypergamy, I don't think that if men as a whole actually worked on themselves.
Wait, I actually think men are more involved in self-improvement than women are because men get beat down constantly.
A man can't just sit there and be delusional.
I'm a 10, I'm a 10, I'm a 10.
He's going to have life slap him in the fucking face.
I would actually argue you have a society that's, you know, that's against like the fat shaming shit.
Oh, you're beautiful at any size.
Actually, I would argue that women, women who make poor choices and who refuse to self-improve, they get coddled, whereas men get slapped in the fucking face if they're just going to be fat slobs.
I would agree with you on that.
Yeah.
I agree with you on that.
But I don't necessarily think that men as a whole are doing the best they can.
Sorry.
Are doing the best they can to attract women.
Who's more likely to be focused on their physical fitness, men or women?
I think right now it's men, but I think women, honestly, we have a lower sex drive.
And therefore, I think it's more important for the man to be more attractive.
It's not true.
That women have a lower sex drive.
That's a myth.
It's a true truth.
I might disagree with you.
I've seen.
No, it's not true that women have a lower sex drive.
What?
It's true.
But what about the testosterone?
The testosterone thing is interesting, right?
It's an argument that I used to make, right?
So people always ask, can you change your mind?
Yeah, I can change my mind.
I used to make the same argument that take a look at testosterone.
That's true.
But, you know, women, they require less testosterone.
They still have testosterone.
Yeah, but.
And they just require less of it.
And when their balance of testosterone is where it needs to be, yeah, they're just like men in that regard.
They just require less of it.
So it's an interesting phenomenon, but the more that they're looking at it, the more they think, it's not nearly as lopsided as we thought.
So it's possible that my perspective on this might be a little bit warped because I come from a Jewish community where it's like, you know, girls are not supposed to be sexual.
Not the highest testosterone community, maybe.
Yeah, so, I mean, especially among the females.
Isn't that right?
Women aren't supposed to be partaking in that sort of stuff.
So that might frame my view of that.
Well, not just that.
It might not just be that, but, you know, it could be your hormones, too.
Like, have you taken birth control?
I did.
I didn't like it.
Yeah, so I mean, that throws women's hormones off constantly, messes them all up, messes their sex drive all up.
Yeah, but before and then after is the same, right?
No.
I'm speaking from personal experience for me.
Like before I took it.
I mean, before you took it.
Yeah, and then after, and then I got just saying that it could be chemicals, could be all kinds of different things.
Your experience definitely seems to be an exception to what we usually hear on here.
I hear what you're saying, but I think that if men as a whole did put more energy into their looks, I have, I want to pull up my Twitter just to show you.
But there's like, there's one, there's one video of a guy who went to go get a haircut.
His hair was just like, I don't know, he just looked like a random average dude.
And then after the haircut was done, he looked like a 10 out of 10.
And like, it's really just as simple as putting some energy in, find the haircut that works for your face.
Find a fashion style that you like and makes you like flatters your features.
Go out looking like you actually intentionally tried.
Because that's what women do.
And that's why we're attractive.
Because we actually put effort into it.
I totally agree with you.
If you look at the effort on the other side, it sure seems like they're putting in a lot of effort, putting in a lot of effort to make more money.
That's what I'm saying.
And they're putting in a lot of effort to get better cars, get better clothes, go to the gym.
It's crazy.
So I think them wanting to obviously be able to do that.
Basically, guys, right now, you got an entire industry, these pickup artists, crazies, right?
And they are selling men hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of courses so that they can learn how to do all that shit you just talked about.
Yeah, and meanwhile, if they literally just invested 20 minutes into their looks like every day, it would be a good thing.
Yeah, but I mean, you have to have some kind of guide for that, right?
So that's how they're able to make it.
So that's how they're able to make that kind of cash.
I mean, men are investing tons into this kind of stuff.
I would rather have my manager.
Tons of money and tons of time and tons of effort.
Into fashion?
Not just fashion, but working, working out, right?
Working out, self-improvement.
That's a huge thing in society right now for young men.
Self-improvement.
Yeah, but I think it's misrepresented to them.
I think what they view as self-improvement is not necessarily.
And same for women, by the way.
I'm going to apply it to both sides.
I think a lot of people on both sides put their energy in the wrong place and call it self-improvement when it's not.
Yeah, but I don't understand because the things that you say are the place to put it in.
Well, that's where they're putting it.
Having a job to sustain yourself isn't something you should be doing for women.
That's something everybody should just be doing in general, right?
So that's not something someone should pat you on the back for.
No, I'm not talking about a job, but you're saying the self-improvement of looks.
But it's called looks maxing.
And it's a big deal.
That's a huge part of self-improvement for you.
Now it's becoming more of a big deal.
I think that's a good thing.
It has been for you.
It doesn't even have to just be looks maxing.
It's just grooming in general.
Like a lot of men.
But that's looks maxing, right?
Not really.
How's it not?
Like, I'm talking about hygiene and stuff like that.
That's looks maxing.
That's everything.
But I don't think we want to go to that other extra.
There's another extreme for this.
Yeah, but there's another extreme.
You swing the pendulum the other way.
And we have these soy boys who are waxing their eyebrows and wearing makeup.
And that's nasty.
I'd rather my men focus on making the money so that I can stay home with our children and their physical bodies so that they can be my protector and provider.
So like the whole look thing, I feel like the most attractive men in Hollywood.
Oh, girl, you've been talking the whole podcast.
No, it's just going.
Never end.
I wonder if this is a problem in relationships for you.
No, you just talk.
Like, they talk about that having a nagging wife.
I just want to watch Breaking Bad.
Can you kindly zip it?
Okay.
Oh, you're right.
I'm sorry.
Okay.
I didn't mean to.
I just saw.
Okay.
I'm not going to relatable.
Wait, I have a question for you.
You say the guys, they have to make themselves look better.
But like.
Not average.
Like, would you date an average guy?
Maybe.
Maybe.
Yeah, maybe.
Depends if he's nice to me if you try to do that.
He has a good personality and he's trying it.
Let's say he's got an averagely nice personality and he's pleasant.
Okay, if you're all average all across the board, probably not.
No.
Like you need something to stand out.
If you're going to be average on look, why?
Because who wants to date?
Aren't you average?
I guess everybody's average, but when you're trying to present yourself to somebody, you don't really want to be average.
You know what?
You've actually just made the case for female hypergamy.
You're, in my estimation, you strike me as a fairly average woman.
I'm not saying that to be insulting.
Yet you need a guy to set himself apart to be more than just average.
I don't.
I just said it.
Put a little effort into his looks because no guy does that.
If you're if you're plenty of men, you're already above average for a guy.
First off, I would actually argue.
I would actually argue, hold on, that's in the comments, please.
Hold on, we'll get to it.
I would actually argue when it comes to physical appearance, women have far more rigid standards when it comes to body types they want in men.
I probably agree with you.
So.
That's fair.
And also, if we're talking about like societal influence or societal impacts, you know, beauty standards, blah, blah, blah.
We hear this a lot from feminists.
I would argue that depictions of aspirational body types for men are far harder to attain than what you see of women.
That I would kind of say it's pretty equal.
I think men struggle with body image issues, especially ones who care enough to go to the gym and do whatnot, all that jazz.
I think they struggle similarly to girls who also either have eating disorders or put in all that energy to go to the gym and whatnot, right?
I think it's a pretty similar struggle in that regard.
Well, okay.
Like, let's look at superhero movies, right?
Like, the female leads in these superhero movies, I would argue that their physique is achievable by 90% of women.
No, it's not.
Yes, it is.
Okay, so that's just ignorance.
It's really, they have maybe a little bit of muscle, maybe.
Yeah, but then you look at Aquaman.
Oh, my gosh.
Yeah, look at his story.
I agree with you on that, but I'm just saying.
But that's what I'm arguing.
We're acting like every single supermodel woman is achievable for a girl.
That's not true.
It's more achievable.
It's more achievable for women.
That's probably equally, because if you want a supermodel girl, she's going to have to go to the gym and work out just the same.
Yes, she is.
You cannot be a supermodel and not go to the gym and actually I would argue that the female body that 80-90% of men would like deem, it might not be the ultimate, but the female body that is extremely achievable, that 80 to 90% of men would find attractive, which is just a woman with a low body fat percentage.
But women have a lot of money.
Without any women, even without any, well, actually, if I show you pictures of fucking bro, they're fucking thin, dude.
Hold on.
They're thin, but if you're a strong woman, you have to maintain that.
That's not something that just comes easily.
And also, while they're going to have stomach problems and things that cause bloating and other issues, it's not just a matter of, oh, I'm just thin.
Yo, every woman at this table would be acceptable to the majority of men.
Like, yes, there's women holding them to the same.
I don't know.
And then some women make our clients off.
I don't know.
No, totally take our clothes off.
No, that's not true.
No, I think naked men would take all of us.
Whereas with men, we're so judgy on them.
I think women hold themselves to a higher standard.
Like even if men, if men, I mean, this is true because I don't think women hold themselves to a standard world we live in.
Beauty, beauty, beauty.
Yeah, yeah.
I'm just talking about beauty.
Okay.
Women hold themselves to a higher beauty standard than men do.
That's why you see the discrepancy, right?
Well, you're using a specific term, their beauty.
That's not beauty.
Well, men's standards is a bit different because men aren't really looking for beauty.
Okay, let's talk about physique then.
Let's remove facial whatever from it.
The female beauty standard that feminist cry about is more than obtainable for like 90% of women.
Flat stomach, maybe a little bit of muscle tone, healthy BMI.
That's the extent of it.
Okay, and meanwhile, half of America is obese.
Cool, but that's for both men and women.
now the male beauty standard guys stop with the fucking oh my god stop with the sidebars The male beauty standard that's rarely challenged by the mainstream media is literally unobtainable without two, if not three, of the following things.
I agree with you.
Elite genetics, steroids, and five plus years of treating the gym like a part-time job.
I agree with you, which is why I think it's a good idea.
Nick, you had some photos?
Let's see some photos.
All right.
I think it's detrimental to me right there.
Next.
Okay, he's, I think he was definitely determined.
And let's see the women.
Let's see the women.
Bro, you go to a fucking college town, bro.
Girls be looking.
Like, you could find this.
This is like a girl.
Why don't it's detrimental to suggest that the only way a man can improve his looks is by going to the gym?
They don't look like that because they don't look like it.
Right?
Like, there are other ways to look at it.
That's an attraction trigger in women, is strength and muscularity.
Sure, but that's not the only thing, right?
If I'm not going to be able to do that.
Is there another one that we're Scarlet Joe, Scar Joe?
Bro, you could see this.
You could see this, like this is a normal, she's attractive, right?
Yeah, but these women have to work really hard before they go into movies.
They don't look like that when they're in the movies.
That's their average body, but people train really hard for these movies and they get bigger.
Like even those men, even those men, they go through training so that they look the way they want everyone else to look at it.
Do you think it's the same, though?
Do you think it's saying that it's more achievable for most women to look like that than it is for most men to look like Hugh Jackman?
No, there's no way I could go to the gym and look like that very, very, very easily within a few weeks if I wanted to.
Go back to Hugh Jackman for many reasons.
My husband would have to work for three months eating completely clean, taking supplements on a protein on strict diet, but he's a diet.
With a trainer twice a day to even try to look like that.
Everything it's like that's so I don't disagree with you I just think that there are certain, there are other ways a man can try to improve his looks, which is mainly his fashion and his hair, which, again, if men change their fashion with their hair, female hypergamy is going to go away.
That's insane.
If you want to agree on my Twitter, there's a video on my Twitter that literally shows a guy who has the worst hair ever.
He looks like a maybe five out of ten.
Then he gets a haircut and he looks like you got baited.
Just like those.
Yeah, he got baited.
It's the same thing as those Asian chicks who go in and they do all their makeup up and they look like 100%.
So if I shaved my head and they're threes and you're like, if I shaved my head, what the hell just happened?
There's an easy time finding somebody to have sex with if I just decided to shave my head.
Yeah, you probably wouldn't have much trouble.
Just as now, it'd be equally as easy.
For you to what?
Go out and find somebody.
To find a guy to fuck you?
I bet you anything that if you walked over to a guy, you can even run this experiment.
You go out on the street, find some random guy, and go, hey, you want to come back to my apartment?
Fuck.
And he'll be like, sure.
And then you go home and you shave your head, go to the same guy the next day and ask him to do it again.
Let's do the fucking stuff.
Yeah, he probably still will do it.
We have no intrinsic values and have to build ourselves up from one, whereas women just need to show up.
Completely agree.
I mean, yeah, I mean.
Yeah, probably.
And I'm personally okay with that.
I would really like to just show up.
I would rather you guys do all the hard work on the other side of things because women have like very similar feelings about men on the other side, right?
Especially Rod Femmes and like the further feministic you go.
Let's do the dating app.
We're going to do her dating app review.
All right, guys, here she is on Bumble.
There I am.
That's a filter sheet.
Yes, it is.
Cheating.
Okay, so that's catfishing.
Wow.
You're misrepresenting your physical appearance.
Okay, I hated my bags and I made my nose.
I've seen a lot of them do this.
Next, not the worst thing in the world.
She's five feet.
That's good for you.
Oh, she smokes socially.
Yeah.
Okay, sorry, sorry, Nick.
She's going to tweet a lot.
Ooh, okay.
Sorry, guys.
She wants a relationship.
She wants kids someday.
She's an atheist.
She goes to the gym, plays video games, baking sushi, road trips.
Fuck, does everybody eat sushi?
It's pretty basic.
This obsession socially.
Bro, I'm telling you, you got to find a man who will lead you.
You got to quit the drinking, quit the smoking, and quit the weed.
You said socially, you drink.
How is a man supposed to lead her?
What do you mean?
Like, yeah, I just feel like it's constant.
I mean, lead her to the point.
Yeah, I kind of need somebody to be my equal, not a leader.
So I think.
Well, I know, but you're just always taught.
I feel like they can't even get a word in edge-wise.
Wait, if we're engaging, I think.
Why don't you guys have a backup?
I want to know what you bring.
I'm not saying this as like being rude, but what do you bring to a relationship?
Love and care and everything a husband needs.
What if everyone's going to be a little bit more?
My first relationship was beautiful.
It was a friendship.
We told each other everything.
Like, that's exactly what I want.
Did you allow him to lead you?
No.
We were together, a team.
That's what I want.
Wait, was this the one where you had sex?
Yes.
Okay.
But why did this one go on Team Cat Lady?
Hang on.
So you're in a relationship.
You're not, just remind me, you weren't having sex because you wanted to stay a virgin or you just were very religious.
At the time, I was very religious.
So I did at first want to just be a virgin.
Then I lost my virginity and then, I mean, not my virginity, sorry, my religion.
And then I didn't necessarily want to do anything with him because I just wasn't attracted.
But when we first started, it was on the basis that it wasn't going to go anywhere.
And I also met him online, and we had a relationship entirely online for the first like year.
J-Dade?
Okay.
I feel like I want to give you a piece of loving advice.
I would love to see you in a relationship where you bite your tongue like half the time and just allow him to lead you.
Let's go.
Okay.
I didn't get that in my first relationship, so I'd rather find somebody who respects you.
What else should she do?
This is good.
What else should she do?
I do, but I mean, I feel like bite your tongue.
Submit a little bit to a man.
Respectfully.
I disagree.
And I feel like don't have such high standards on a guy.
You don't have a ton to bring to the table either.
I might agree with you on that, but not on the ton to bring to the table, because as long as you bring love and respect, that's really important.
I know, but I feel like you're not loving and respecting him if you're not allowing him to lead you.
If you respect him and you love him and you trust him, then you trust him to lead your family and lead your decisions.
If people respect each other, they'd be working as a team.
Nobody would be a leader.
No, no, no.
You have roles in the house.
You have leaders.
I clean.
I take care of yourself.
Teams literally have leaders.
Yes, you still.
When two consciousnesses come into contact, they always try to dominate each other.
I disagree.
That's the way it goes.
I don't think that's true.
I mean, I don't think you're going to be able to do that.
Two different roles.
You have two different roles.
Cook hero.
Girl.
Like, we have listened to you all night.
We have listened to you all night.
I need you to listen.
I'm listening.
You have my ear.
Listen up.
I just feel like there are two roles in a marriage.
Someone is going to stay home with the children and cook and clean and be barefoot in the kitchen.
And I know that's hard to hear.
And while you're doing that, your man is taking care.
He is providing he is making the money.
But you have to trust him.
You have to allow him to lead.
You have to give him sex, not just blowjays.
You have to engage in a relationship.
And I would have to be attracted to somebody to do that.
That was cute.
I mean.
I like that.
No, the blowjay.
Keep going, keep going, keep going.
I hear what you're saying, but I fundamentally disagree with you.
How so?
Just tell me.
Tell her.
I think that there doesn't need to be one person leading the relationship.
I think it's best if they're both equals.
That's it.
Okay.
It's friendship.
You own a business.
Who's the owner of the business?
I don't think a business and a relationship are comparable.
I'm sorry.
They're absolutely comparable.
I disagree with you on that.
Someone has to lead the household.
Otherwise, it just falls apart.
I think it's a big part of a partnership in a business.
What'd you say?
Exactly.
Sorry, I didn't hear you.
I feel like someone has to lead in any situation.
Sorry, so you were about to ask, like, about the business, who is leading in the business.
So, between you and Lindsay, I think that's her name, right?
Who's the leader?
I lead all of our social media.
She doesn't touch it at all.
She handles all of our finances, all of our businesses.
She's working at that.
She's in a certain area.
Absolutely.
We both lead in.
It's like a team effort.
Is it a partnership?
It's a partnership.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, it's not like Lindsay.
So he has the final say.
Let's say Lindsay wants to sell the business.
Can she sell it without you?
No, we have a contract.
Okay, so you have to agree.
Correct.
You guys both have to agree.
Interesting.
Correct.
I can fix her.
I feel like you're going to meet, but you don't run your relationship like you do with business.
That's not what you want, right?
No, and I just.
She just compared it together.
Yeah, okay.
I get you.
I get you.
That was a wrong example that I shouldn't have used that one.
I guess I feel like for some reason, something has happened in your life.
Maybe you need therapy.
He doesn't think you need therapy.
But something has happened that, like, somebody wrecked you because the way that you view men is so sad.
I am friends with men.
I know your friends, babe.
I know your friends are.
You're acting like I get to another level.
I do not hate all men at all.
I know that there are a lot of good men out there.
I think the ones that are.
But they're not coming for you.
The good men aren't coming for you.
And so I want you to, in the most loving way, I want you to look at yourself and be like, why are the good men not coming for you?
Like, what the hell?
Girl, you were drinking.
You were in your mouth all night.
You ran your mouth all freaking.
All freaking out.
All and you said.
And with respect to me.
But I'm telling you right now, I literally sit in my apartment.
I'm done.
Okay.
Why are you not dating any of the guy friends that you have?
They're turning on you.
I might.
I already sat there for five, six hours and listened to her.
What was the reason?
I could.
Yeah, it helps.
I have to drive home.
What the fuck?
Yep.
You grabbed the popcorn, everyone's walking out.
I want to have more passwords.
Hold on, I just don't understand why someone who is single is sitting here talking mostly for six hours about relationships.
You're women who are happily married.
Like, if you're talking about the authority on relationships, wouldn't you ask the people in the room that are happily married?
Facts.
Wait, wait, wait, hold on.
We need to get through your dating profile.
But you guys don't want to have sex before marriage, and that's what we're talking about.
You guys, you bullied, you bullied her.
You guys bullied her.
We bullied.
We bullied her.
You guys bullied her?
Hang on.
Hang on.
You stuck up and said it was not bullied.
Was that bullying?
No, I'm bullying.
Well, I don't know.
Now you want me to have Lysis back.
Where were you guys earlier for me?
No.
Listen.
I liked everything you were saying.
I'm being a bit facetious here.
I'm just being facetious.
Wait, what?
Wait, go chase her.
No, don't chase her, please.
No, no.
Get her some applesauce.
No, I don't need to go.
No, get her out.
Get her some applesauce and a blanket.
Get her an applesauce.
I've heard all I need to hear.
I'm literally respectfully ride out of here.
You can't have time with your conservative woman and I'm going to leave.
Wait, what?
Yeah, I know.
Why are you guys leaving?
Wait, you guys.
Wait, hold on.
Why are you guys leaving?
She already left.
The annoying girl.
Wait, wait, if she comes back, I'm going to go.
Yeah, she's gone.
Okay, take her back.
Feminist population.
Sit down.
Listen to the patriarchy.
Anything else?
We just started throwing a fit, and he's like, oh, look at him whining after seven hours.
What's on purpose?
I'm just frustrated that you want her back one.
That's the one.
We didn't finish her notes.
Well, we are not going to.
This is not your fucking show.
This is not your fucking show.
Deal with it.
Fucking deal with it.
It's okay if we leave, correct?
That's what you're saying then.
Yeah, but you're back.
That's what you're saying then after that comment.
She's gone, though, so what's the fucking issue?
I'm just saying that you wanted her back.
I was only fair.
To finish the dating app segment.
You didn't even finish it.
We need some food.
I think everybody's panky.
We need food.
Pizza.
Pizza, yes.
Everybody's just hungry.
How long are we going to do the podcast?
Bro, I don't know.
Okay, let's move on to the next person.
Move on to the next person.
Kindly sit down.
Sit down.
Kindly.
Kindly.
Yes, kindly.
It's the first time this whole time.
Yo, are you going to sit back down?
Why do I have to?
Not for the last 12 years.
You asked to be on the fucking podcast.
You know what?
Get the fuck out.
Get out.
Get out.
Just get out kindly.
I would rather.
Just leave.
I was scared.
You guys get the fuck out.
Get the fuck out.
You guys can stay.
You can fucking leave.
You got an attitude.
Out you go.
They can't get them the fuck out.
They can't linger back there.
Out the fucking door.
They go.
It is crazy how you can fucking comment for the record.
Your permission to be here has been revoked.
Kindly leave.
Just leave.
Out you go.
It was very nice to see you too.
Yo, you need to fucking leave.
Get the fuck out.
Yeah, but don't.
Yeah, you said you want to fucking leave, so you don't need to like stay here.
Just get the fuck out.
Yeah, cool.
Cool.
out you go hey they can't be in the fucking bathroom Get them the fuck out.
Out they go.
Did you just look at the camera and smile?
Like a news anchor?
Welcome to whatever podcast.
Just went down.
Sit in that seat, Madison.
Sit in that seat.
Do you want me to move next to Lindsay or stay here?
Don't look him in the eyes.
There's going to be a bit of readjustment, I think, here.
Hi, Madison.
Are you a feminist?
Yes or no?
Absolutely.
Oh, God.
She's kidding.
Okay.
She's kidding.
I want to like how long it takes Madison to work on her body because she looks amazing.
Thank you.
Yeah, sorry.
I know, like listening to the last thing you say.
Thank you.
Is it wine 30 yet?
It's popcorn.
Bro, this girl's like, we're just going to leave.
And then I'm like, fine, fucking leave.
And then they want to fucking linger.
And oh, let me just say goodbye to her and her and make it a big fucking gator.
I'm going to the bathroom.
I was like, nah, you're not.
You're out the fucking door.
Go pee your pants back to fucking dog shit, Arizona, or wherever the fuck you're going.
They're trying to gaslight you into telling them that they should stay.
Basically, I'm not leaving them just getting out of the house.
That's fine.
That's fine.
Get the fuck out of here.
Get seltzers in the fridge.
Oh, Lindsay.
Bro, like some people in the line.
Go.
Some people in the chat are like thinking I overreacted.
Bro, these girls were so problematic the entire damn night from the very get-go.
I managed to cool shit down at the beginning.
It was very contentious, but she's trying to like fucking backseat.
I don't know if there's a like backseat podcast, the fucking show.
Can we move it along?
I'm gonna fucking leave if you don't do the like, bro.
And you know what's funny?
This other girl who was making this girl here, lost her virginity at 15, fucked a dude, lost her virginity after meeting a dude 30 minutes in, right?
I'm asking her questions, and she's like, well, I don't want to talk about that.
Well, whenever somebody tells me, I don't really want to share, I'm inclined to no longer include you in the conversation.
So these people who fly, oh, I'm not part of the conversation.
I gave you an opportunity, and then you're like, well, I don't want to talk.
Okay.
Maybe it's passive aggressive.
I'm not going to fucking talk to you then.
Well, hang on.
I feel like before we started this podcast, you specifically said, or whoever was sitting there before, you was like, do not not share, and then afterwards, tell me everything.
So I will say you did tell us to share when people weren't sharing.
You also asked for juicy stories, so juicy stories were provided.
So that when you're asked about the juicy stories, it's kind of like, please expand on the juicy stories.
Okay, but I will say, they requested to be on.
I will say this, though.
They did threaten to leave, these ones.
What you're saying.
What do you mean, threaten to leave?
Who?
Yeah, I said it wasn't.
She said, I will say, this girl was going off, and I apologize.
This girl, I feel like all night we've been talking about her, and then she goes and sits on the deck, and then she's going to throw up.
Yeah, she's high maintenance.
She's high maintenance.
You're right.
She was.
Oh, she's asking for weed.
I'm sure the comments are crazy for her.
Are we being kicked out now?
Because we threatened to leave it.
No, I'm not going to kick you guys out.
I'm not going to kick you out.
Although, I do think.
I do think that if anybody, like, you did kind of prompt them a little bit when you said, oh, I think we're going to leave.
Like, then you plant a seed in their head, like, oh, that's an option.
Okay, let me use this as leverage so I can ensure the conversation goes my way.
If I want to fucking sit here and I try my best to include everybody, but sometimes some people are more interesting than others.
Sometimes people are more adversarial than others.
If I'm going to focus on somebody, then I'm going to focus on somebody.
That's how it's going to be.
You know what?
I would say, though, I don't even think it was that you were, she was like not interesting, at least in my mind.
So I'm like, why is he?
She made the same argument over and over again.
And then when you'd come back full circle, she would still be like, I just think he should pay for the first date.
I'm like, we just spent an hour establishing that that is not true, that you would want him to instigate for six months of the relationship.
How are you the most likable woman who's been here?
I know.
Because she's quiet.
She's a quiet woman.
How are you?
She's a 12.
She's a little chill.
Because she's a 12.
Because she's a 12.
She's super chill.
Although you got to be careful with the super chill ones.
Like, they're chill at first, but then the crazies like down the road, bro.
She's going to rip those shit off.
She's going to rip those ears off and just go out of the description.
They go.
You guys are the only people that get pizza.
Look, those girls asked to be on the show.
It's crazy.
They drove from fucking Arizona to be here.
When they're driving back tonight.
I don't know why they wouldn't just get a hotel.
Right.
That's fucking crazy.
They probably will now altogether and talk about us.
Oh, yeah.
Starting with adult.
They'll probably watch on their way home.
Yeah.
So I'm not going to say anything.
I probably should have that girl off.
The thing is, they were all friends.
I was so close to fucking kicking her off the show at the beginning, but I was like, they're friends.
Like, if I kick her off, I got to kick them off.
And that's, they were mostly, this one over here was a little.
This one was mostly pleasant.
I don't think they're friends, though.
I don't think they know each other.
No, the three.
These two work together.
Oh, they did.
They all came together.
They all came together, right?
So good times, guys.
Interesting.
Good times.
Well, now what we're going to do is Maddie, you take that seat, and then we're going to put Gustavo between the two married ladies.
Ooh, who's Gustavo?
Does he look like hey, Al, bring your helmet.
You won't miss it.
Actually, you were cooking.
Actually, I think you put, that's why she left.
You finally got to talk.
It was like you just ran with it.
I know I did.
Mama got angry.
Well, she was getting to be pretty frustrating.
It's like, you have no authority to speak because you have a bunch of guy friends.
Well, why do you think none of them want to date you?
And then she got so offended when you said none of the good guys are coming from you.
She's like, well, that was uncalled for.
Keep your hands to yourself.
Gustav, one wrong move.
Oh, no, he's not.
He's very, you know, you know.
Look, the nature of these podcasts is we have big panels.
It can be hard to really get every because one, only one person can speak it at a time.
And then if you want to have back and forths, then other people are going to be excluded.
It is difficult to perfectly ensure that everybody gets the exact equal amount of talking time.
It's very difficult.
Some people are more conversationally dominant.
So, did I lose my shit a little bit?
No.
A little bit.
A little bit.
I was about to lose my shit.
You're about to lose your shit.
Yeah, but I'm not as like a teacher.
Maddie, actually.
This one is a little bit more difficult.
I'm not as happy.
Because you don't look like you lose anything.
You look like you're so calm.
I'm pretty calm.
It might have to hide under the battle demons just like in an emergency.
I was going to go hide under the table.
It kind of stay in your seat.
This girl and this girl?
Yeah.
Yeah.
What about them?
Massive derailing agents.
Oh.
Yeah.
I was like, here's the thing.
And perhaps the chat can be.
And Kami was at least engaging, but those two were.
Oh, yeah.
We didn't get to.
Oh, man.
We didn't get to get into this.
Should we finish your dating app review for her?
Actually, yeah, we'll get this one.
And the chat gets to decide if you swipe yes or you reject the shit out of her.
Before we do that, though, one of the things I think about with these kickout situations, I was prepared to kick her out for sure.
But the thing is, part of me is like, well, did I just farm them and then kick them?
What do you mean?
Like, farm them.
Like, get the content.
Like, get the content.
That's what it is.
Because it's like, well, okay, I could just kick her or I could farm, then kick.
Although sometimes I farm and then like cooler heads prevail.
She was just seething rage all night.
She tended to calm down, but she started her sidewalk appearance very combative.
She was ready.
She was ready for whatever.
She came in hot.
She came in hot, like really interesting.
She was offended by every word out of your mouth or your mouth.
Your mouth.
Mostly Andrew.
Although she was coming at me.
I was catching strays here.
I was fucking catching strays.
Let's do the dating app review of the girl.
How do you do it without her?
What TV show would you be a main character in?
Okay.
Oh, this is going to be hurtful.
Filter.
Bro, this is so, it's so disingenuous when they're all super filtered out.
That's why she left.
New York Pizza, every other kind sucks.
Bro, this is like so basic.
Basic.
Next.
We can take things slowly and naturally, not trying to get lost in someone, just trying to find my other half.
Is there another one or is that?
It might be difficult on that one though.
Grabbing a bite to eat and getting to know each other, maybe in arcade too.
Bro, I'm going to be honest.
Like, she says, well, guys should open with like, talk about something on your profile.
There's really, is there another photo?
There's nothing interesting on her profile.
Like, I've been on Bumble.
If she messaged me, hey, how's it going?
And I was like, supposed to respond, like, there's nothing off of her profile as somebody who has been on dating apps for a long time.
Well, I'm not on them anymore, but I used to.
I wouldn't be able to find anything topical from her profile, really.
I mean, I could probably bullshit something, but pizza arcade.
She was saying, oh, I want a guy who's exceptional, who stands out.
I'm like, your dating profile is average.
You're unremarkable.
And I'm not saying that to be mean, but most people are average, unremarkable.
And she wants some like movie moment magic magic guy.
What was the other thing, Nick, we were going to pull up?
And it's fine to be normal and average and boring.
It's fine.
As long as you expect normal boring.
Right.
Yeah.
And who thinks so?
I demand.
Oh, no.
I thought there was something to pull up, but maybe I was wrong.
Let me read a chat.
We have Satanic Finger.
This girl is an abuser.
She's been projecting the entire time towards men.
She literally said she cheated emotionally, and she's saying she led men on during the relationship as she stayed unhappy.
She cheated on which guy, the two-year one?
Or the first one?
I don't remember.
I thought it was changing on the two-year one.
She was having a conversation with another guy, and then she ended up working up with that guy a year later.
Okay.
All right.
We have Kyle Kelsey.
Brian, thank you.
I want to say the annoying girl that wants to fight with everyone is pissing me off and ruining the show.
Which one's that?
Is it?
No, she was talking about her.
Yeah, okay.
Yeah, she was definitely talking about her.
I can't tell if my teeth are grinding or I'm grinding gears as I shift going down the highway with this set of wiggly wagons.
I am on meal.
FYI?
What do you mean?
On meal?
Did she say that?
I don't know.
Thank you, man.
Appreciate it.
Okay.
There was a really funny one about someone slapping, like they're giving us nicknames.
Someone slap glasses and take over the podcast or something.
And I was like, slap glasses.
I'm right here.
I'm ready.
I think you guys did really well at this point.
You slapped with your mouth.
Good.
Good times.
I should have kicked her off from the beginning, but it was good.
I should have left her.
I mean, she's kind of dull the rest of the show after I finally got.
I feel like I did reign things in there.
But then it would have just been us.
And look how boring that is.
Well, I know.
Now we're sitting here talking about her, and all these people are like, she's finally gone.
Let's go.
Let's not talk about her.
What else?
Well, let's see.
I'm going to get into my show notes here.
We have Lindsey Graham.
Lindsey Graham, what, the Patriarch Barbie, right?
Yeah.
You're, oh, this is for both of you.
In your pre-show notes.
You said you're both ragingly pro-life.
Yep.
Both pro-Trump.
Both believers and followers of Jesus.
Kendall has had a picturesque life, saved herself from marriage.
Based.
Based.
Married to husband with three kids.
Got cancer some years back.
Was this you or?
Oh, her.
And they suggested that you get a shmushmort.
Yeah, I was pregnant.
Oh, you can't say.
Or I found out I was pregnant.
I can give the whole story if you want.
When you're ready, yeah, yeah, I think, well, pretty much you just said that you chose the baby and you risked your own life denying the chemo until the baby was born.
Yeah.
And you're cancer-free now.
I'm cancer-free now.
Well, hey, that's awesome.
Congratulations.
Thank you.
W's in the chat for thyroid cancer, and it was the night before.
Night before my surgery, we discovered I was pregnant.
So they're going to shoot your mic a little bit this way.
No, no, no.
You can I just have Kendall?
Oh, me.
Yes, excuse me.
Perfect, perfect.
Perfect.
What stage were you?
So I was didn't know what stage I was until after.
And they're like, oh, it's now spread.
You're stage three.
And that's when I found out.
So essentially, find out I was pregnant.
Let me start over.
Diagnosed with cancer because I went to my doctor and I wasn't hearing well.
And he's like, oh, you have progressive deafness.
Something completely different.
But he's like, while you're here, let me, you know, check your thyroid.
I'm in your nose and throat doctor.
Finds out that I have a lump, finds out that it's cancer, schedule to have a full thyroidectomy.
The night before we found out I'm pregnant.
And we call my doctor.
My anesthesiologist is like, you know, we can do the surgery.
We can just adjust things so baby is safe.
And then I woke up from surgery and he was like, your cancer is spread.
We need to either terminate baby and focus on your health or wait and do radiation afterwards.
And so I gave birth to her at full term, breastfed her for two months and then did radiation.
And I now wear hearing aids.
I am, I do have progressive deafness.
I wear hearing aids for that.
Because of the progression that occurred because you waited a bit to get it treated?
Well, no, I actually, it's, I had, so it diagnosed with progressive decimist, but then the hormones when you're pregnant makes it worse.
And so, yeah, we continued to get continued to lose hearing.
That was very awesome.
She had another baby afterwards, too.
She had another baby afterwards.
You'll get more deaf if you get pregnant again.
She's like, I don't care.
Wow.
So, God's really good.
Very selfless.
Thank you.
Love you.
Wait, hold on.
I got more notes.
I got more notes.
They're pro-Trump.
MAGA.
Yeah.
We just met him too.
Honored.
This week, this two days ago.
Here's a dating-related question.
I mean, I know you guys are married, so hypothetical.
Would, oh my God.
Okay, we wouldn't have to go to the next one.
Let's go.
Would you date an illegal immigrant?
No, no hard no.
Absolutely not.
Build the wall.
No.
Would you?
No.
I feel like you would.
I like to do more on an offer than he would.
I mean, if she was like a Slovakian gymnast.
You like this secret.
I would definitely.
The what?
The secret.
See, look at this.
Look.
Sleeves.
I owe you an apology.
I came in late and got annoyed by others quickly.
But you and your friend are among my favorite that have been on here.
Also, sorry.
Also, you're right.
Madison is fire.
Wait, somebody said that about Madison?
I think it was a chat.
Oh, okay.
Yo, deplorable dude.
I'm nicknamed Sleeves.
Oh, I told you.
This is Madison.
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
Yeah, I told her.
I was like, girl, you're fire.
Her body.
Look at that.
That's like, she's a hard 10.
When we were all talking about, you know, how long does it take to achieve something like that?
And she probably honestly, I've been like all my life.
I have a really fast metabolism.
I eat so bad.
I eat terribly, but I've been really good.
I'm so excited, by the way.
You saw that?
Yeah.
I'll cut the piece.
I'll cut the cookie.
It's kind of hard, though.
I like soft cookies.
You can have the rest.
Stop talking about food.
We're all so hungry.
Guys, we do have some pizza, so we'll give you some pizza.
Perfect.
Oh, wait.
Should we do a little pizza party?
Pizza party?
On the stream?
Wait, let me.
But then eating into the mind.
Yeah, that's great.
Well, you wouldn't have to do it.
Wait, chat.
Let's not eat and then talk.
Yeah, it's kind of pizza party, chat, pizza party.
Okay.
But soft cookies.
Wait, where were we?
Oh, so would I date an illegal immigrant?
I feel like you would like the very secretive aspect of it.
Depends what country she's from.
Secretive.
Ooh, like exotic.
Like, you guys might get deported.
Yeah, obviously she would do her best to be secretive and not get deployed.
Oh, my gosh, the power struggle would be so.
I'm kidding.
I'm kidding.
I don't tell her to do anything.
The power dynamic.
Look at everybody's eating.
Do you coat?
Bring her pizza.
Cut my cucumbers, otherwise I'm going to immigration.
I'm kidding.
But, you know, I'd prefer.
You wouldn't even have to let her know it was you.
You could wait till she went to work and then call ice.
Well, the crazy thing is shut down, bro.
You don't have to break up with her.
She just gets shipped out.
I can't believe that happened.
Don't go.
It's terrible.
It's awful.
Oh, my gosh.
I am in favor of, I'm totally fine with illegal immigration for like female gymnasts.
I'm fine with that.
They can come over.
They can come over legally.
Female shot put is fine.
Sprinters are good.
Long distance, too lanky a little bit, but pianists.
Like sprinters?
You got a thing for sprinters, huh?
I don't know.
They're just thick thighs save lives.
Thick thighs save lives.
Wow, interesting.
It sounds weird.
That's a very long distance, ladies.
That's not what I was picturing.
That's a very protective story.
I thought you guys were together.
Oh, no.
I have a boyfriend.
Oh, okay.
Wait, you're engaged.
Promise right.
I'm not engaged.
Oh, my God.
Every time that happens, Madison's like.
Really quick to be like, no, I'm in a relationship.
Why wouldn't I do that?
No, no, we're not doing it.
There's those rumors, though, going.
Way to make it awkward.
Kevin's hard.
Yeah, we'd make it.
I mean, it's not the first time I've heard it.
I do.
When it comes to racial preferences, white and Asian.
Oh, okay.
I like white points.
I'll date.
Look, I'll date black women and Latina women, but I do have a bit of a preference for white women and Asian women.
She's too tall for me, though.
That's the thing.
She's way too tall.
How tall?
5'2?
If her height doesn't start with 4, she ain't the one.
How tall are you?
6'1.
There's a thing.
There's a thing with really tall dudes, and they never go for any kind of average girl.
They always go for like a little mini-me.
No, but then when you have kids, you're not giving them those really good jeans, like breeding jeans.
That is a good point.
That is a good point.
Like when I, in terms of like for my kids, bring me in breeding jeans.
Well, if she's tall.
Yeah, if she's tall, you're tall.
If they're both tall, then you make them beautiful tall babies.
Or your babies.
What's that thing from the Bible?
Like children in the middle.
No, no, no.
It's kind of unrelated, but it's like children in a man's youth are like arrows in the hands of the quiver.
I'm butchering this.
I was going to say this is a chase line, but.
Somebody look it up.
Yeah, that's bad.
Yeah, I can't.
I don't.
Anyone in the chat?
Arrows and equippers.
Oh, no, I would date a dwarf, you know.
Would you guys have your bow?
I don't know.
Do you guys know any dwarves?
Personally, no.
No dwarves?
No conservative dwarves.
No middle.
There's probably a dating dwarf for dwarves.
Absolutely.
I look at it.
Big labia.
Dwarves matter.
You know, good times.
That's just not.
That's not just a height thing.
That's like all their proportions are different.
Yeah, that's a problem.
What is a big dwarf?
Not just a midget.
A midget is a dwarf has the.
Well, I'd prefer.
Oh my God.
I feel like I'm going to get canceled from the.
I think they call it the little people.
No, I think that's what they want to do.
No, they do.
There's a whole show about it.
You're talking about the dwarven race in Warcraft.
Oh, of course.
Of course, of course.
But, I mean, look, if she was like 4'5, but like normal proportions, I guess that's I'm gonna get canceled.
That's better.
That's gonna get canceled.
That's really short.
Like, do you actually?
She's so 4-5.
He's so real.
Like, can we try to measure what that would look like in behalf of you?
I have a question for you.
Yes, because I'm 5'8.
Ailean has a question for you, Brian.
So, like, you want a dwarf, right?
Have you seen a dwarf with like Big Libya?
No, we went there.
Sign me up.
Have you seen one?
No, I mean, well, first off, I'm not, I don't really watch adult content.
Okay, like, occasionally, fine, whatever.
But I'm not like dwarf, big labia porn.
Like, nah, I don't, I don't watch like dwarves.
What do you type in then?
Short, short girl, some dwarfs.
No, I don't watch, like, honestly, I'm dwarfs.
I will tell you, like, when I, when it comes to, like, the, look, and again, I rarely consume porn, but there's big labia porn out there.
Just saying.
Like, that's like, what did they call it?
Category or like, that's like a thing?
It's a niche.
It's a niche.
Yeah.
Large labia.
Good talk.
About that pizza.
Yeah.
Hashtag big labia.
Hey, you brought it.
Hold on.
You brought a USB.
No, labia was over here.
She went full labia.
Oh, yeah, big labia matter.
Dwarf labia mode.
Yeah.
We were still talking about saving babies' lives.
Although, actually, there are some complications if they're too short, though.
Like, once you get into the 4-11 territory and below, I don't know.
It's like it can make certain things more difficult.
What's the shortest?
Like, carnal knowledge.
What do you mean, shortest?
That I've ever date and that you've ever dated.
Oh, I think like on it.
I think 4'11.
And there's like a decent amount.
Yeah, I've unfortunately not been able to find shorter than 4'11.
I know, it's tough out there.
I should, dude.
If I see it, like, back when I used to approach, this is 10 plus years ago, like, when it was okay to approach people.
Like if I saw like a short chick, like I, you know, back in my college days, whatever, if she's like short, I was like, Really?
All these followers, and no one knows a single four-foot three-chick.
Blast it.
Comment on emoji, a little emoji.
Back in the day, like, I mean, I'm not really, like, sliding into DMs anymore, but like, bro, I'd be like trying to find these short chicks on IG and shit.
Where do you find people now?
What do you mean?
Like, organically.
People that you want to date.
Church.
That's where you go to meet a good.
Honestly, you go to the bar, you go to a strip club.
Like, that's not where you're going to bring someone home to meet mom and dad.
You go to church.
No, it's a bad place to find a woman now, said church.
Terrible play.
Well, because what happens is there's what's called the Great Ho Reformation.
Oh, so here's how this works.
Uh-oh, I'm not going to like this.
I'll tell you right now.
What happens is there's a lot of women out there who are getting into their 30s and their mid-30s, and they've realized that they have ridden what we like to refer to as the cock carousel.
And they did it for a long time.
That's true.
They couldn't find a guy.
And so in their 30s now, they're kind of screwed.
And so what they do is they reform and find Jesus.
And then go to the church.
And then when they're at the church, they try to meet guys.
And that's really a big problem.
And it's going on all over the place now.
But is it a problem if they really find Jesus?
That's the problem, what you just said.
Is if they really find Jesus.
No, no, no.
No, you're useless, or not useless.
Don't say you're a useful pawn because of what you just said, right?
Is that a problem?
Yeah, it's a problem because what they'll do is they'll cover themselves behind don't judge me.
Oh, wow.
Don't judge me.
Don't judge me.
But it's usually the women who are inside of these churches and women who are the ones pushing the don't judge them.
And so, yeah, it's not looking good in churches at the moment.
So just saying, that's something which has been going on that was brought to my attention.
So I started looking into it.
And yeah, it's going on all over the place.
So it's like a pandemic of women like faking coming to Jesus and just going to church to find a good job.
I'm not even sure that they're faking, right?
Maybe they're coming for all the right reasons, but it really doesn't change the fact that I don't think that if a man in his 20s and 30s doesn't want to marry a former prostitute because she converted to Christianity, he probably doesn't need to.
Well, hang on, I want Lindsay to speak on this.
I don't know.
I'm going to wait until there's a question out.
No, Lindsay's a former stripper.
Oh, did not know this.
Oh, it just got so juicy.
Did not know this.
Yeah.
You wasted all the good time on like these feminists over here.
Lindsay has juice.
Squeeze it.
Clearing a skin.
Squeeze that juice.
I'm going to dump this girl next.
That's got you in your sex.
Shoot.
Well, I was just going to say.
I get it.
I understand.
I'm not saying that they're coming to the church for the wrong reasons.
Don't judge me.
I'm just kidding.
Right.
Right.
Well, I mean, but that's an actual problem is we should use righteous judgment for one.
And no, we shouldn't tell women who are reforming or men for that matter that they shouldn't go to the church in order to do that.
They should.
But that doesn't mean that their past gets erased.
It's this born-again, I'm a born-again virgin.
I'm pure now.
That shit.
Trying to put that on men.
They almost seem like they're pushing it as an ought.
Like, you ought to marry them because now they're pure again.
Judge him type of thing.
Yeah.
And I think it's perfectly fine for Christians to say, I have the preference not to marry a prostitute.
I think that that's fine.
Yeah.
Well, no, I totally agree.
I think men have every right to say, I understand that that's your past, but I'm not okay with it.
Yeah.
So I can't be okay with it.
He shouldn't marry a woman and then obviously not be okay with it because he would use that against her the rest of her life.
So well, I'm not using it against her, but if you can't forgive it and forget it, and it's not something you can do.
But the thing is, it's like, isn't it?
It just kind of seems a little bit predatory to me.
It seems the way the women are doing it?
Yeah.
Okay, I can agree.
Yeah, it seems a little bit predatory.
And you don't know.
And that's the thing, right?
Is that Christianity can be pretty naive sometimes when it comes to the world.
And maybe, maybe that's something we can work on.
But yeah, they come into the church and they're kind of preying on young men, I would say.
Well, just so you know, I'm not actually one of those women.
I didn't do this recently, and I didn't go to church right after and go snatch my husband.
This is like 20 years ago in my past.
No, no, I get it.
And it's okay.
It's okay to reform.
It's a good thing.
You should get married even if you're reformed.
I think that that's fine.
All that's fine.
I'm just saying that Christian men should still have the preference to be like, yeah, I'm not going to marry a chick who is a prostitute.
You know what I mean?
I think that's fine.
Yeah, absolutely.
Yeah.
And good.
I think it's good that they're a little reserved about it.
So I have some more notes here.
We have, we're still on Lindsey Graham.
So you said in your pre-show notes here, you had a colorful past.
You were raised quick.
Gosh, what is going on?
It's been a long day.
It's been a long day.
Raised Christian, excuse me.
You fell off the deep end in your 20s.
You were a stripper.
You mentioned that.
Meth addict?
I was a meth addict.
Yeah.
Then you were forced into an schmushmortian by an abusive boyfriend.
What do you mean, forced?
Gosh, it's always such a weird word to try to use without telling the full story, right?
Manipulated would be a better word.
When I got pregnant, he was very abusive.
So emotionally, physically, verbally.
And I'm not a wuss.
I'm not like he emotionally abused me.
He was literally emotionally abusing me, gaslighting.
And first, he called me a liar and tried to just kind of cut me off.
And then when I proved that I was pregnant, he used different manipulation tactics to try to get me to have an abortion.
One being: if you have the baby, I'm going to take the baby.
Make sure that because you're an ex-stripper and an ex-drug addict, I'll make sure the courts know this.
You'll never see your baby again.
That was his way of, you know, trying to get me to have an abortion so that, of course, he didn't want to be responsible.
He was a good Christian man in the church.
Didn't want his reputation ruined.
That didn't work because I was struggling, of course.
What does that mean?
He was a good Christian man in the church.
Man.
And you were a drug addict?
No, not at this time.
Oh.
Years prior.
This is years prior.
Okay, hold on.
So I was a dancer and a drug addict at the same time.
Okay.
Left those lifestyles and began dating him immediately.
Oh, I was that girl.
Oh, no, that wasn't a thing.
This was 20 years ago.
So I mean, it sounds a lot like that girl.
It does sound a lot like that girl.
Where's it like?
Sounds a lot like the girl I just explained.
Yeah.
Okay.
Okay, but actually, in my defense, I was living such a whirlwind, crazy life.
Was actually still attending church while I was a drug addict because my relationship was.
But you're off the drugs, you're not stripping anymore, you go to church, you meet this guy.
Yep.
Okay, so then what happens?
So then I got pregnant about, I guess, I don't know, six months to a year in.
And so he was manipulating me to get the abortion for one main reason.
He didn't want anyone into church to know that he was sleeping with someone before he was married or that he wasn't this upright, outstanding, Jesus-following person that everyone thought he was.
And anyway, the manipulation gets to be.
Weren't you supposed to be too?
Because you were going to the church?
Yeah, but I knew I wasn't.
I knew that I wasn't.
I knew I had a lot of work to do with the Lord.
I knew that I wasn't following Jesus, that I was turning my life around.
He believed that he was like pastor material.
Just let it dissect.
Just identify.
Yeah, I'm digesting it.
It just, okay, so not going to lie.
Sounds a little predatory on your end.
Just a bit.
So you go right into the church and kind of.
No, no, no.
I was already in the church.
And he wasn't?
He was in the church.
Okay.
I was a dancer and a drug addict while attending church.
Okay.
Still.
But you had quit all that.
I quit when I met him.
Because he got you off?
Nope.
I would not give him the credit.
I will give God the credit.
But I looked at my life.
Well, did he assist God with that?
No, he did not.
So he didn't say like, you need to stop doing that shit?
Nope.
No.
Okay.
I looked at the idea of him, and I looked at my own life, and I recognized that the way I was raised was I've always wanted to be a mom and a wife, and the life that I'm living will not get me to that situation.
I will never have a man like that because of who I am, the life that I'm living.
So I decided to stop dancing.
And then I just.
So when you were in the club, I'm sorry, I didn't mean to cut you off, but when you're in the club, you're doing the dancing.
Did you do the thing that a lot of them do where?
Oh my gosh.
Yeah, you know what I'm talking about.
No, I don't.
Go ahead.
I'm just waiting to hear you say it out loud.
With the Johns in the bag.
No, nope.
Never.
I think you're going to say that.
No.
Nope, nope, nope, nope.
No champagne room?
Is that what you're talking about?
Yeah.
I think I get what you're saying.
And the answer would be no.
Yeah.
But I mean, you saw a lot of that happening, right?
Actually, I didn't do it very long.
So no, I never saw it.
I'm assuming it did, but yeah.
Did you enjoy dancing?
No.
Nope.
I was just doing it for money and was not in the right state of mind.
Do you have like any advice for people who do want to dance or whatever?
Because I know a lot of people who do, and I don't think that they understand what happens behind the scenes and how they get treated and all this other stuff.
Yeah, my advice would be do not do it.
It's very, of course, it's very demeaning.
Like women, all women are worth way more than what their body will sell for.
So I would never suggest that women abuse their body and their soul to that point and essentially sell themselves.
So anyway, this church relationship that you had going forward with this.
So you say he used manipulation tactics.
Okay, so then you did the deed, right?
Yeah, I basically fought him as long as I could, and then he scheduled an abortion for me.
How long was that that you fought him?
I was, I think, eight weeks when he took me to get it.
Eight weeks.
Yeah.
Okay.
So you fight him for eight weeks, you go and you have it.
Did you stay with him?
Unfortunately, yes.
For how long?
I would say another year.
And now everything was off and on.
We were such a toxic relationship, as you can imagine.
We would break up and get back together, break up, get back together.
And so I'm not going to lie, just and I don't know, right?
Feel free to correct me, but kind of sounds a little bit to me like you're shifting blame away from yourself with the language of like manipulation and things like this.
Almost trying to distance yourself from you're also at fault for that, right?
No, no, no, I will admit that I'm at fault.
No, I will admit that I should have been a stronger person.
I should have resisted.
I think about how I should have literally picked up and moved and never told him where I was and like went into hiding.
I take full responsibility for the choice that I made to be able to be manipulated and to not fight back.
Yeah, I don't know what that means, though.
Like, if I, if only say I fought back as hard as I can, what is what is what would that entail?
The fighting back?
More of a mental, more of like mental gymnastics.
It's really hard to sit here as a very, very strong woman now who is has a great life and is mentally sound to look at the kind of person that I was when I was being abused because I was with him for, well, I guess about two years, maybe longer.
So maybe my timeline is off.
It's kind of a blur.
But the mental gymnastics that he played from day one completely took away all of my self-worth.
And I was just a shell of a woman.
I mean, I was completely able to be manipulated, coerced, gaslit.
Would you say he was a narcissist?
Yes, absolutely.
Was he ever diagnosed as a narcissist?
He would never ever go to a doctor because to admit that there was something that needed to be looked at.
So probably not.
Just a question I asked.
Yeah, I didn't have anything.
So my fight was more mental.
Like, if I can convince him that this is wrong, if I can convince him that there's a baby in my body and that we could raise a family, and then he would look deep inside his soul and understand the morality issue.
But he had no interest in that.
Were you always pro-choice?
Well, pro-life before.
Did the church find out about that, by the way?
I wasn't a member of the church.
And about, well, I would say a year.
So when I finally broke free of him completely, I started going to a new church and really found Jesus in authenticity.
And I got down on my knees and gave my baby to God.
And that was kind of the closure of, you know, my abortion.
Did Besides Church never found out about it?
No.
No.
Not that I'm aware of.
Now they know.
Eric Pettit.
Who did I kick off first?
Because we did a prediction on Twitch of who was going to get kicked tonight.
Basically, she was already in the back eating chips.
And she was checked.
She just got up and left.
And then this girl stood up.
That girl stood up.
Yeah.
Well, this girl was on the couch.
She was checked out.
And then I was like, hey, are you coming back?
And she's like, what if I don't?
Wait, chat.
She's like, why should I?
Or why do I have to?
No, I think she was like, what if I don't?
She said, why do I have to?
If anybody in the chat remembers, do you remember, like, there was a girl behind the scenes.
I don't know if you could even hear.
First off, in the chat, could you even hear the girl behind the scenes when I was like, yo, are you coming back?
And then I think she said something along the lines of, why do I have to?
Something like that.
I think that's where I snapped.
She said, why should I?
It was, bro, it was like, bro, I fucking slapped it.
It's like, how are you going to ask to come on the podcast and whinge like that?
They're saying no, you couldn't hear it.
If other people were talking, they probably couldn't have heard it.
But I forgot if I kicked her.
She was like standing up.
She was standing up.
So this one across the street.
They were going to leave.
She was second.
Right after she got up and left, it kind of like made them feel like they could just leave too.
They obviously were.
I think it was a, was it a kick or a leave?
It was a kick.
It was a kick.
Because they were, they were, that girl sat down.
Well, I said sit back down, right?
I said, sit back down.
You'll have to watch it back.
I don't know.
A kick because they were lingering.
I think they would have wanted you to back and you were like, get out of here.
That's what I was saying.
They wanted you to tell them to stay.
Oh, really?
Yeah.
Like, when they were all over the place.
They wanted you to tell them to stay and you told them to get the fuck out.
No, once I, okay, they're trying to manipulate you to get to the house.
No, hold on.
It takes me a while to get to a kick, but once I decide on a kick, it's the point of no return.
Yeah.
You can't, there's no going back.
No, but they were sitting up like, oh, we're so tired of this.
I forgot what that girl was saying about how the conversation was just not really productive.
She obviously hated it, so I think she was trying to get you to be the first one.
In Arizona.
Wait, what?
We're just sitting here trying not to get kicked off.
Yeah, I know.
He's like, she goes back to eating chips.
I'm like, oh, I do have a chat here from our good friend Jay Aiken from Canada.
Hey, Brian, a bit off topic.
Question for Andrew.
What's your firearm of choice?
Brian, you should show Andrew the knife I made you.
I don't have it here in the studio.
I have it elsewhere.
Firearm of choice in AK-47.
That's beautiful.
AK-47.
I don't want to know why.
I want to buy a gun.
Is it AR-15?
Do they make automatic and semi-auto AKs?
Because you can't have a.
No, you can own a machine gun in the United States.
You just have to go through a class redealer.
Is that like through ATF?
Yeah, you have to put in a tax stamp.
Okay.
It's only 200 bucks.
Okay.
Interesting.
Interesting.
But the machine gun will cost you like 50 grand.
So let's see from my notes here.
Any specific thing that we're going to look for in a relationship is character.
Okay, and then we're going to go to where is it?
Where's Kendall?
Where's my notes for?
We had combined and I had to.
We blew through a lot of juicy stuff real quick.
Lindsey Graham.
I went through both of them pretty quickly.
Kendall's, I think, right above it.
There's not a lot of notes.
We kind of half-assed.
Oh, I don't.
Yeah, we did kind of half-ass because I just wanted to.
No, you can still talk about it.
Actually, I'm not sure if I got much from Kendall, but you included some of her stuff.
Last thing, fuck it.
What's everybody's body count starting with Madison?
You're not sharing anymore.
If you know, you know.
If you know, you know.
Okay, what about you?
I'm not too sure, honestly.
If you had that.
I'm sorry, go off.
Oh, I was just going to say, if you had that estimate, I wasn't going to go off.
I'm not.
I was going to go off.
What is it?
No.
Yeah.
I'm not too sure.
I'm not going to come up with numbers, but I know for definite sure it's like over 10.
Is it over 15?
Maybe not.
So between 10 and 15?
Yeah, probably.
So 12.
If you want to say that, yeah.
It's like her status.
I'm not sure my 20s were blur.
Pieta, you want to do a range?
Yeah, probably 10 to 15.
Okay.
Gustavo?
Cerro.
Cerro.
Yeah.
Oh.
One.
Oh, yeah, excuse me.
That's my girl.
Oh, wait, we missed it.
Go ahead.
Sorry, one more time.
I think we weren't.
Just one.
My husband.
On our wedding night.
Yeah, there you go.
Nice.
Okay.
Andrew, we know you were quite the ladies' man in your day.
Are you slooty?
Quite the ladies' men.
Me?
Dude, I feel like you crushed it in college.
Have you guys ever done this before?
I thought you don't tell.
I don't tell.
Oh, this is checking.
This is the one that he's going to tell.
But this is the one that's being in debate club.
Andrew was in debate club in college, and all the girls there were like, bro, his fucking prowess.
Oh, my gosh.
Yeah.
I felt like a real prototype.
Really think that after sitting at this table so many times that women actually liked me enough to sleep with me?
What do you think?
I feel like some of them are in to gotta be into it, right?
Well, obviously, his wife.
Like, you just destroy them.
Yeah, no kidding.
No, but I'm not sure.
We have at least one over here.
Yeah, we've done team debates once or twice.
No, but I mean, you don't like debate her in private just for the fuck of it.
I do.
It's probably good along.
I do sometimes run arguments or she runs arguments by me, but no, we don't debate.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Good times.
What's your body count?
Oh, I don't share that.
Please tell us.
Sorry.
Sorry on that.
Let me see.
I think we're fully caught up on all our notes.
There's one thing I do need to do here before we guys, please stick around because I need to talk about something important.
I do have to leave.
Are you down to push it for like 10 minutes?
Like for real 10 minutes.
Okay.
For realsies.
Okay.
Okay.
Nick, I'm going to send you something in the private chat that you're going to pull up into one of the Chrome browser.
I'm going to copy the Dropbox link.
Hold on, guys.
I'm going to send it to you.
I think this should work.
What's that?
Your scam thing?
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Got scanned.
So pull that.
Oh, my goodness.
Don't let it or mute the audio just so it doesn't auto-play.
Oh, shit.
Also, hold on.
I need to send you shit.
I need to send you a couple links.
While I do that, Madison, can you ask a dating question?
Go ahead.
No pressure.
You got this shit.
You got it, Maddie.
What is your biggest ick?
For the ladies.
Gertrude, you start.
Can we not call me that?
Okay.
Alien.
I feel like it's your elfish name.
Elfish name.
Have you ever dated a would you ever date a dwarf?
A little person?
Oh, no.
Do you know any little people?
No.
I like, like, for me, I like grown-ass men.
So I like men that are like older.
Yeah.
How much older?
I don't really have a limit on that.
What's the oldest you've dated?
Like, like, would you date?
Like, I think with like a 70-year-old man.
70-year-old men?
Speaking of ick.
Do you have an objection to age gap relationships?
I think that there's a gap that could be too far.
Yeah.
It's probably in the how far is too far?
Probably like the 25 range.
25 years apart.
Yeah.
I mean, that's like your gap.
That's like a pretty decent ick, right?
Like, that could be your child.
And I'm trying to be generous.
25 is really generous, Lindsay.
25 is generous.
Yeah.
What are you icked at?
20?
Yeah.
20.
So 30 and 50, you disapprove.
35 you disappear.
Do you have any takes on that, Andrew?
No.
Yeah.
Well, I just will ask if you have a moral argument against it or if it just grosses you out.
Just grosses me out.
Yeah.
Mine, well, and I have a moral if it's like, when did you start dating?
Like, is this a 13-year-old and someone doing that?
Let's say like adult relationships.
Yeah, no, I think it's.
You got it, Nick?
Just ick.
Okay.
Just ick.
He's got it.
Yeah, just it.
And I even have a hard time with the 20 ick.
It's like 30.
I picture 35 and 55 not being that ick.
Yeah.
And then I know that I'm 43, so I'm picturing a 63-year-old and I'm like, that's pretty gross, too.
But unless he's a little bit more than a little bit of a shit.
But like Hugh Jackman.
But what if we're all looking better when we're 70, right?
That's right.
Like if we're just looking amazing at 70.
I mean, like, for me personally, whenever I'm 70, I don't think I'm going to have a problem with like.
I think I'm going to look maybe the same, maybe a little bit hot.
This is a quick question for the viewers on Twitch.
Quick question before I get into the whole me getting scammed thing.
It's quick.
It's three minutes.
It'll probably take me three, four minutes to explain it.
This is for the Twitch viewers.
If you put your mouse cursor, assuming you're watching on desktop and not on mobile, for the Twitch viewers, if you put your cursor over the screen, do you get like a thing on the right center that pops out prime gaming benefits reminder?
And then there's a green dynamic follow button.
Do you get both of those?
It's just something kind of new.
And then, okay, cool, cool.
That was the only thing I wanted to ask there.
Also, guys, before I tell you about the scam story, guys, if you're watching on Twitch, please drop us a follow in the Prime sub.
If you're watching on YouTube, go to twitch.tv/slash whatever.
Drop us a follow and the Prime sub if you have one.
Really appreciate all your support over there, guys.
Thank you for all the follows and the primes tonight or the tier ones, all the subs.
Really appreciate it, guys.
Thank you so much.
Okay, so let me tell you the quick story of how Brian, you know, I don't think I've ever been scammed in my life.
I usually have a pretty good eye for this shit, but I got scammed.
I got scammed recently.
Here's what happened.
So here's the story.
I wanted to, I have notes, so I'm going to be reading from notes.
So just because there's a lot of fucking details and I, you know, I haven't.
I'm going to give you the short condensed version.
I could show you like screenshots and stuff, but I do have a video compilation that will capture most of it.
But if, you know, I have receipts, but it's just I don't want to get, maybe I'll do a follow-up video.
But so January 20th, I received an Instagram DM from Spearman Social.
Now, Nick, can you pull up the first Instagram that I sent you?
Spearman Social?
And I'm, I'm, okay, so that's the first one, but that's not the primary account.
Just so you guys know.
And I'm saying this because I want to try to prevent other people from getting scammed because I actually ended up getting in contact with somebody else who was also scammed by this guy.
So this isn't just like, you know, I didn't just get scammed.
Like, there's other people getting scammed in this.
So Spearman Social, January 20th, received an Instagram DM.
It's run by David Spearman, and you can pull his Instagram up.
There he is.
You can zoom out a little bit so you can show the, yeah, there he is.
And then, and it's also run by his girlfriend, Siara Stevens.
And you can go to the other one.
That's his girlfriend.
They both run this social media company that they have.
And they messaged me and they say, we can get you at Brian Atlas on Instagram, something that would be nice to have.
But I'm not really super active on my personal.
It's not a huge priority for me.
But having at whatever almost everywhere and preferring clean usernames and URLs, it did pique my interest.
But I was skeptical and I actually initially waved it off.
But the guy was super persistent.
He messaged me almost every day.
And after a month of him and his girlfriend following up me, following up with me almost every day, he offered terms that I was willing to do.
He said if it didn't work out, I'd get a full refund.
He said he worked with Justin Waller.
He had all these testimonials, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
Oh, my God, bro.
Why would you?
Oh, my God.
Okay.
Nick, come on.
Why would?
Okay.
So it would take a few days.
Okay.
Oh, my God, bro.
wait so whoever's editing this video you're oh my god Thanks, Nick.
He said, okay, so after a few months of him and his girlfriend following up with me almost every day, so he offered terms that I was willing to do.
He said if it didn't work out, get a full refund, blah, blah, blah.
He told me this process would be very quick and it would take like a few days and I'd have at Brian Atlas on Instagram.
At one point, he even told me he would be able to get it done same day.
So I accept and we agreed to $2,000 for this.
And this is pretty common price for like username acquisition.
And then I'd pay him $1,500 after he gets it done.
So I transfer $1,000 in crypto February 22nd, transfer the remaining $1,000 a day or two later.
Now it's been over seven weeks, almost two months since I paid him $2,000 back in February.
It's now April.
They've not delivered.
They've been giving me the runaround for, well, almost two months now.
And they'd always say like, oh, later this week or next week, nearly every single week for seven weeks.
And again, him and his girlfriend told me repeatedly that this would be a quick process.
So basically what happens is this guy contacts you offering social media services, username claims, and he does some real work, I guess, to get testimonials from people.
And maybe these testimonials are fake and these other people are in on it.
But they use these testimonials to seem legit so they can scam people.
So weeks have gone by when he previously said, hey, we can get this within a couple days.
We'll do a refund if we don't.
Been asking for a few weeks now for a refund.
He refuses.
They're mocking me in the DMs, insulting me in the DMs.
I'll do follow-up on that at some point.
But for the time being, yeah, haven't got the username, still BD underscore Alice.
And still, they're still not doing a refund.
Now, here's a quick, if anybody is curious about, you know, the extent of the representations that he made to me, here's a quick two-minute video compilation of just some, he would send me video notes.
See, the thing that threw me off, right?
And I was very skeptical even despite this.
Most scammers aren't going to show their face, right?
So, Nick, can you play the video?
Oh, wait, before you do, sorry, hold on, hold on.
The video includes, just so you know what to look out for, multiple times stating how quick the process will take.
Bear in mind, I paid him back in February.
It's now April.
It's been two months.
And that he gives a refund.
So just be cognizant of that.
Go ahead.
My name is David Spearman.
If you're watching this, you might think one of two things.
One, what is username claims?
And two, where is he?
Well, to answer one of those questions, I'm currently in Dubai, Marina.
I don't know if you guys can tell.
In a penthouse.
So we'll be able to claim the Brian Atlas by Friday if we did it today.
Basically guaranteed.
Some days it's only two days.
Will Brian get it off today?
It would obviously be good for your pages, for the whatever page says owned by Brian Atlas and just for your own personal brand, of course.
Hey, Brian Roth, well, as well.
Let me know if you still want to get that off.
Done very easily.
We'll have the app owned in a couple of days.
Brian, pay you an ass.
Okay.
Why are we not getting an app, Brian?
And we definitely can get yours.
We've been ready to go.
Like, we're ready to go.
You see how fast we respond.
We'll get you the apps.
Brother, I have no idea where we haven't gotten to your hat when Justin wired us and we refunded him his money when we didn't get his and we can 100% get yours.
And you don't need to give anyone a login.
You would own Brian Atlas.
You would have had it by now.
So if we refunded Justin Walter, you literally have zero risk of anything.
And also, we have testimonies of people we've done it for.
Many people.
Yo, Brian, happy Monday morning.
If we are getting you Brian Atlas today.
This setup today is Friday.
You have literally nothing to lose because I've refunded Justin a 3K payment at once.
So you've literally nothing to lose.
He's had to say maybe Monday and then you'll have it like Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday.
But the only reason I was trying to push it is the rep had a salt today and he seemed like he could get it done today, which is pretty awesome.
And it would just be done.
One of the 2K deposits, so the deal is now active.
To potentially have it done by today.
You're crying over 2K like it's fucking millions.
So that's the last thing there was a voice memo when I was like asking for a refund and he says you're crying over 2K.
Anyways.
Oh my gosh.
Wow.
Yeah, and look, I'm going to be fine.
I'm, you know, it's pretty clear.
And he actually sent me a message because I contacted a few of his testimonials and was like, hey, this guy scammed me.
And I heard from one of the guys who's like, yeah, I got scammed too.
I don't know.
And I just kind of want to put it out there because when I, like, I googled this guy, I did, I tried to do my due diligence.
And, you know, I just kind of want to make this video not to whine, you know, not to whine really, but to warn other people.
Bro, I mean, you could, you know, I'm doing okay, but for somebody else, like, that could be catastrophic.
Look, I still want my fucking money back, bro.
So, quick couple things here.
If, oh, and the other thing, like, people are like, you should have been, like, we had Justin Waller on the show.
I talked to Justin Waller.
He did a claim or something for Justin Waller.
So it's not like this is a totally a non-dude who, like, his, the level of scam that he's got going on, he'll do some legit shit, but scam other people.
Apparently, it was all good with Justin Waller, who I know personally.
So, yeah, you might say, Brian, you fucked up.
You shouldn't have trusted him.
But it's like, look, you know, I knew Justin Waller.
Justin Waller said, hey, seems legit, whatever.
So, whatever.
I will say, if anyone knows any lawyers in Dubai, this couple, David Spearman and CR Stevens, they're scamming people out of Dubai.
And apparently, I'm not the only person that they've scammed.
So be careful, guys.
Just want to put the message out there.
And yeah, that's it on that.
Okay, those of you who are watching on Twitch, guys, drop us the following prime stuff.
I'm going to do a raid over there on Twitch.
I'm going to do a raid.
Let's see here.
Hold on, guys.
Is a raid a pizza party?
No.
We're going to raid.
Let me see.
I'll do my outro and then I'll raid you guys to let's see who we have.
We have World of Warcraft Grandma.
Okay, we're going to do her.
Nick, if you can get that pulled up, I'll start doing my outro here.
Okay, guys.
GG, well played for those of you who made it to the end here.
Last call, hit the like button, please, on your way out.
Thank you for tuning in tonight.
You could have been anywhere in the world, but you're here with me.
I appreciate that.
Thank you to everyone who super chats, donates, and supports the show.
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If you can make it to Santa Barbara, 07's in the chat.
Like I said, over there on Twitch, we are going to raid Wo, Wow, Grandma.
I never can say it right.
Wow, Grandma78.
She's 82.
She plays World of Warcraft.
She's got 200 viewers.
I'd like to, I tried to raid people with smaller viewership on Twitch just to kind of help them out, give them a little boost.
Nick, if you can pull that up.
Okay.
Oh, what the fuck is she?
Oh, yeah.
Oh, she's got some big plastic boots.
That's when I took the guy up.
Yeah, Ranger had me take him up.
Well, I'm going to raid her.
Another raid coming in.
Oh, okay.
So thank you for watching on Twitch.
Follow us on.
This is 12,000 feet.
This is a disappointment, Cleaver.
Oh, she doesn't have her camera lights.
Okay.
I'll rate her.
I don't know where the cleaver's at.
No, it's fine.
It's fine.
She's like doing a reviewing photo book.
That's Mount Baker.
She has no idea that you're not going to be able to do that.
Mount Baker.
No, I think she knows.
She knows.
Okay, I'm going to send you guys over.
Thank you.
Mount Adams.
Thank you for watching on Twitch, guys.
Appreciate it.
Yeah, I climbed the.
So going to whatever is back again.
Thank you, whatever.
So this is climbing.
Hello, whatever.
This is climbing Mount Adams.
I hope you guys enjoy it over there.
Be nice.
Be nice to her.
Okay.
All right.
All right.
You can pause it.
I don't understand.
I don't know.
Normally she plays World of Warcraft, but she was doing like photo review on Twitch of memories.
So she's nice.
She looks like somehow hack into her computer and see this.
Yes, I hacked into it.
Yeah, I hacked it.
He just sent his chat from Twitch over to her.
Yeah, I pushed the audience over there.
I think that's it.
Is there anything else?
Wait, aren't we going to be live sooner than Sunday?
Oh, we, guys.
Yes, I forgot.
Andrew's going to be here for some debates Thursday, probably Friday, Thursday, Friday.
And then some other cool things are in the work, some like potentially some IRL stuff.
Anyways, we'll talk about that more in a different stream, but be sure to go subscribe to Andrew's YouTube channel, The Crucible, the fastest-grown debate channel on YouTube.
Check it out, guys.
Check it out.
And he's my Caucasian.
What is that?
What do you mean?
Why do you always say that now?
He's my Caucasian.
Spencer's my Caucasian.
Nick's my Caucasian.
What is she?
Any white man.
I don't know if I could.
Actually, Madison, you're my Caucasian, too.
And Joe, back there, you're also my Caucasian.
Isn't she Asian?
I'm not white.
You're Asian.
No, I know.
I know.
Like, for example, like, Joe.
Oh, boy.
Oh.
Oh, I see.
Like, I'm a white guy, right, Joe?
You could say that I'm your.
Oh, oh, I get you.
I get you.
I get you.
You get it?
Yeah, I get it.
Am I your Caucasian?
Do you want me to say it?
Because I have to.
Wait, are you going to.
Nigga?
She can say it.
Is that what you were referring to?
Huh?
Is that what you're referring to?
Yeah, like you could be, even though you're not Caucasian, you could be my Caucasian.
Oh, yeah, I get it now.
Oh, yeah, I get you.
It's like the white version.
Yeah, okay.
That thing.
Okay.
Is it?
Is that like a cancel?
Can I get canceled for that?
I think so.
No, no, no.
I don't think so.
I just feel like we should talk about it.
I couldn't.
I can't think of a more politically correct thing to say than Caucasian.
My Caucasian?
I've never heard that.
Andrew, am I your Caucasian?
Andrew?
Friend?
Whoa, Hold on.
You're my Caucasian.
Why can't.
Can I say that, though?
Or it can only use it.
No, that would be a shit.
You'd have to say like her.
Sorry.
Sorry, Matt.
What could Matt's?
My what?
Oh, wait.
Don't say it.
I don't know.
I really don't know.
Do you have a word in mind?
Wait, okay.
Anyways, thank you for.
Wait.
Actually, I probably.
What would it be?
No, no, no.
I know what it would be.
I don't know what it would be.
You can give me a letter.
What's like the first letter?
What's the first letter?
No, Okay, I'm going to wrap up the show.
I'm really curious.
Okay.
Okay.
07's.
07.
Wait, what are we?
We're forgetting something.
I swear we're forgetting something.
Kendall, just do it.
I don't know why, but.
Do you own our handles on Instagram so everybody can follow us?
Very much.
Everything's in the description.
Okay, 07's in the chat.
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