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Andrew Wilson vs. Feminists! Scumbag Doctor GHOSTS Her After Taking Her V-CARD?! | Dating Talk #152

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	Hi, my name is Renee.
	I'm 19 years old.
	I'm a second year at UCSB in my major is political science, and I'm currently working as a server.
	Where are you from?
	Originally, I'm from Orange County, Anaheim, good old Disneyland.
	Gotcha.
	What about you?
	Hi, I'm Dahlia.
	I'm 20.
	I'm from San Francisco, and I'm currently going to Santa Barbara City College for nursing.
	All right, welcome.
	Hi, I'm Keisha and I'm originally from Canada.
	I'm an American Indian though.
	And my occupation, I do a podcast with my father.
	He's a mechanical engineer and we exposed in early 2020 the improper contagion mitigations for the COVID pandemic or the pandemic, whatever, and how it's tied to election interference, treason and trafficking, and bioterrorism.
	And so we kind of do that on the podcast.
	And I don't know if I said my age, but I'm 27.
	All right, welcome.
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	I'm Petipo.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	My name's Reina, and I'm 21.
	And my occupation, I've had OnlyFans for the past two years, but I'm looking for a new occupation.
	What did you, so you quit, right?
	Yeah, I pretty much quit, yeah.
	What is pretty much?
	Well, so I was working with my ex-boyfriend on OnlyFans for like the past two years, but we got in this point in our relationship where we both just wanted to quit.
	And so yeah, so I'm living off my revenue and I'm looking for a new job.
	Were you doing any other kind of S work besides OF?
	Yeah, I did mainstream, I don't know if I can say the word coin adult content.
	Adult content.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Any dancing?
	No, no dancing.
	Hi, my name's Faith.
	I am 21.
	I'm an Arizona native.
	However, I'm currently living in Central California.
	I go to Arizona State and I'm in the honors college that they have there.
	I'm studying psychology, but I'm also getting my certificate in art education.
	And I currently work at a grocery store and I am also a wife.
	All right, awesome.
	Hi, I'm Millie Weaver.
	I'm a conservative journalist, big on YouTube, millennial millie on YouTube.
	And I'm also a co-founder of a tech company called QUX, which provides disruptive technology that doesn't spy on you or collect data on you.
	I'm also a co-founder of Sleuth Army, which is an army of researchers and sleuths that do investigations.
	I'm also the vice chair of the Women's Networking Club.
	Did you say your age?
	I am 33 years old and I'm a mother of two.
	All right, welcome.
	Hi, thanks for having me.
	My name is Alicia.
	am 36 years old.
	I am originally from Albuquerque, New Mexico, but I currently reside in LA and I am a, what is my, oh sorry.
	I'm a stay-at-home mom.
	Okay.
	Hi, my name is Eden.
	I'm 21.
	I'm from Fresno, California.
	And I work in the tech department of a nonprofit.
	And I'm studying computer science.
	I'll go right into it.
	Okay.
	Sorry, your age?
	21.
	All right, got it.
	Andrew?
	Yeah, my name is Andrew Wilson, host of The Crucible.
	It's the fastest-growing debate channel on YouTube.
	I do political satire.
	I'm a political commentator, and I'm a blood sport debater.
	All right, welcome everybody.
	So we're going to go around the table once more.
	What is everybody's current relationship status?
	So are you single, talking stage, situationship, friends with benefits, relationship, married, polycule, sex cult, whatever it may be?
	If you're single, how long have you been single?
	And what's the longest relationship you've ever been in starting with you?
	Go ahead.
	You chose the youngest one to go first.
	I'm currently single.
	The longest relationship I've ever been in was, I think s does it even count if I was in high school?
	September 2020 to April 2022?
	Okay.
	So two years about.
	How long have you been single?
	Did you say that?
	Oh, I've been single since February, right before Valentine's Day.
	You got dumped like the day before Valentine's Day?
	No, no, no, no.
	Like a few days before.
	You wait, so they broke up with you, though?
	It's complicated.
	So you've been single for like two months, right?
	And orientation?
	I'm straight.
	Straight?
	Okay.
	Two months.
	So it was a mutual breakup then?
	Well, no.
	We were on and off up until that point.
	That was the last time we were in college.
	This is messy.
	Yeah.
	How many times was it on and off?
	Oh, you're right.
	How many like broken?
	It's really coming for me.
	I blocked him on October, and then I texted him again, probably like beginning of November, and then he blocked me again in January, like middle of January, and then he blocked me again like a week later, and then by the beginning of February, it was done.
	It's a lot of blocking.
	A lot of blocking, unblocking.
	Wait, so you would block him, but it sounds like you would.
	So you would end it, but you would also kind of reach back out?
	I really hope he's not watching this.
	Yeah, both of us sort of kind of toxic.
	It was a little toxic.
	So how many times total?
	You said there were two times total that it was off?
	I mean, in that period of time, yes.
	Well, in the whole time.
	That wasn't our first time ever breaking up.
	But in the entire duration of the relationship?
	No, we had broken up before that.
	Like how many times total?
	Probably two other times.
	Let's say four total.
	Okay, four total.
	So four times total.
	And then you ended it each time?
	No.
	It was definitely alternating for alternating reasons.
	Okay, I see.
	This is a very complicated relationship.
	It was like a situationship, and then we started dating, and then we stopped dating, and then we kept talking, and then we got back together.
	So what are the odds you guys get back together again?
	He just texted me today after two months.
	Don't do it.
	Don't do it.
	I won't.
	I won't.
	What did he say?
	Hey.
	That's it.
	Oh, he gave you the hay.
	Okay.
	And are you contemplating getting back with him?
	Getting back with them is a strong word.
	I would like a fat apology first.
	I mean, that's a good idea.
	You need a fad apology.
	Yeah.
	You need a fad apology.
	Yeah, not hay.
	Did you text him back when you said hey?
	I haven't yet.
	Are you going to?
	We'll see.
	If there is.
	There's no fat apology.
	I don't know.
	Depends who DMs me after the show.
	If there is a fad apology, are you taking him back?
	I would probably need a few weeks after the apology.
	That's kind of what happened when we were on and off.
	I'd be like, okay, like I'm not going to date you yet, but let's take some time and see if you can prove to me that you've improved.
	Is this long distance or does he live in Santa Barbara?
	He lives in Santa Barbara.
	Okay.
	All right.
	And how long were you seeing this guy?
	I met him my first week of my freshman year of college.
	Okay.
	And you're a sophomore currently?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	So you guys have been on and off seeing each other for a year and a half or so or almost two years?
	But I haven't contacted him in two months.
	Two months.
	And yes, was it sorry?
	Today.
	Oh, today he said, okay.
	I know.
	Wow, okay.
	Crazy luck to be on the show.
	And during those off, any of the off periods or during this most recent, you know, you've been single for two months.
	Have there been other people in the picture?
	Yeah.
	Like most, I kind of asked you two questions there.
	Most recently, have there been, Like in the past two months, have you been seeing other people?
	Yeah, I have dating apps.
	Dating apps.
	Which we'll do the dating app review a little later on.
	And then what about those in-between breaks?
	Did you see other people?
	Did he see other people?
	For the last two, we both saw other people in between.
	And did it bother you at all that he was seeing other people?
	It didn't when I was seeing other people, but then I stopped seeing other people.
	And then he started seeing other people.
	And then it bothered me.
	And did it bother him when you were seeing it?
	It wasn't at first, but then I actually started doing it.
	See?
	Because it was a situationship.
	He was like, oh, no, we don't have to be exclusive.
	And then I started seeing other people.
	And he was like, we have to be exclusive.
	What is wrong with you?
	Gotcha.
	And so what did he do that necessitates a fat apology, I think you called it?
	Oh, my gosh.
	Does she have some relationship drama she wants to spill?
	I won't go too long on this.
	I'm just curious.
	Yeah, if they were the reader's digest version.
	Okay, well.
	Oh, wow.
	I'll just spill it.
	Why not?
	He's in a frat, and I went to a frat date party with him.
	And it was after all the different breakups.
	And I had asked him, like, oh, did you invite anyone before me?
	And he was like, nah, I was joking.
	Like, because he had told me before he was going to invite someone else.
	He invited another girl before he invited me and she couldn't go.
	And I found out.
	And then she told, I told her he's still with his ex, or like he's still doing stuff with his ex.
	And he got super mad at me.
	And then he texted her that he never knew who I was.
	He texted her that he texted her that he never even knew who I was.
	And you guys were together at this point when he invited the Southern Black.
	No, we weren't.
	I was his ex who he took to the date party.
	But I was thinking like, oh my God, he wants me back.
	You know what I mean?
	Huh.
	Oh, so you were like second choice, kind of for the date party.
	Yeah.
	Can I just say that I think you genuinely deserve so much better than that as a human being?
	Just clarity and I think honesty, you deserve better.
	I think everyone does.
	Well, we don't know his side of my story.
	Oh, I mean, I could be texting.
	I could take up the whole podcast.
	Yeah.
	Don't ever.
	Don't ever be a guy's number two.
	If you're seen in his mind as a number two, look elsewhere.
	Don't put up with that disrespect.
	And so he's in the fraternity.
	You're at City College.
	Is that correct?
	No, I'm not.
	No, you're at UCSB.
	Are you in a sorority?
	No.
	No, okay.
	All right.
	Frat guy.
	Siga?
	No.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Don't tell us which frat he isn't.
	But okay, got it.
	Well, we can maybe get some more a little bit later.
	What about you?
	I'm single right now.
	And then I've been single since like the end of, or like this summer, I guess.
	Yeah.
	And then.
	So like nine months?
	Yeah.
	Six months?
	Pretty much.
	Yeah.
	Seven months?
	Yeah.
	Like June-ish, I would say.
	They can't all be June.
	Yeah.
	I don't know.
	Sorry.
	The end of the school year, I would say.
	Nine months.
	When summer started.
	Oh, okay.
	Yeah.
	We'll say nine, ten months.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	How and longest relationship?
	Like three years.
	Three years.
	We kind of were off for a little bit, but we were still talking and we just didn't see anybody.
	And then we got back together.
	But it was solid for two years.
	Was that the one that ended nine months ago?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Got it.
	All right.
	And who ended that?
	It was kind of mutual.
	Like, we both kind of just, we kind of outgrew each other.
	I met him when I was 15.
	So, and he was moving back to the Bay Area and I'm living here.
	So it just kind of fading away.
	Oh, it was a long distance.
	Yeah, and we were just already kind of fading away, fading out, so that was just kind of the best thing.
	And you said it was on again, off again a little bit?
	No, just like once.
	Okay, one time.
	Yeah, yeah, just for a couple months.
	We both still lived here, still talked to each other, didn't see anybody else, and then kind of realized that we still really like loved each other.
	So yeah, then we got back together and we just faded out.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	I've been, I'm single.
	I've been single for like a few years.
	And I guess the longest relationship that I've had was like a year.
	You've been single a few years.
	So you're 27 now.
	When's the last time you were, I guess, not single?
	23, 24?
	Well, I guess it's like kind of complicated because, I mean, I had like so like I was in a relationship, but that was not, I don't think that can really count as a relationship because I don't know.
	It's like, it's hard to like explain, but pretty much like when it's not funny, but like it's funny because it's not funny.
	Wait, he started dating men?
	No, so like I had a relationship, but it's like my dad said it's not really a relationship because like when we started exposing a lot of like the stuff during the pandemic, they ended up turning on the person ended up turning on me and my family and was involved in like trafficking like me and my family.
	So it doesn't really count, but that's like the last trafficking you and your family?
	Yeah, trafficking, like human trafficking.
	So like it's not, it wasn't like a real relationship.
	Trafficking your family?
	Yeah, me and the whole family.
	He was involved in trafficking like me and wait you said you're from Canada?
	Like so he's trying to born in Canada.
	He's trying to traffic you to the United States.
	That's not what I said.
	I just said that he was involved in like human trafficking, me and my family.
	So it wasn't a real relationship, but that was like the last.
	I'm really stuck on this though.
	What do you mean trafficking you and your family?
	Human trafficking.
	Yeah, no more.
	Financial and exploitation of an individual.
	Yeah, so but how though?
	In what way was he trafficking?
	I don't even know how I can make that question more clear.
	The financial and sexual exploitation of individuals.
	I know what it means.
	He was involved in it.
	There is a lot behind it.
	And if you really want more information, I can get that to you at another time.
	But I'm just saying it was not a real relationship for that reason.
	My father said that there's a lot to the situation that I'm not going to understand.
	And I think that's true.
	I'm just saying that it wasn't a real relationship, but it was the last situation that I was in.
	And that was like years ago.
	Was he trafficking like brothers and sisters?
	Did you hear what I just said?
	I said if you want more information, you can get it from my father, but there's information surrounding it that I'm not going to understand because men were involved in creating those circumstances.
	How did you meet him?
	Was it a dating app?
	No.
	It was at a university.
	He was a student there?
	Yeah.
	Were you a student there?
	Yes.
	Was he about your age?
	Yes.
	So what age were you?
	What age was he when you guys met?
	Like 20, 19 or 20.
	And he was Canadian citizen?
	Yes.
	Was he involved in like gangs or what?
	Gangs?
	I don't know.
	Those gangs are involved in trafficking.
	I don't know if he was involved in gangs.
	Like I said, there's a lot of information that I'm not privy to, but that's just what the situation was.
	And you said you were dating him for one year?
	Is this the one you said you were in a relationship for one year, but is this the one that you're not sure if it was a relationship?
	No, I'm telling you it wasn't a relationship because.
	But is that the one you were seeing him for one year?
	No, so I said the relationship was about like a year, but we were married and then ended up splitting because of that.
	So like I said, when my father and I started exposing the crimes during the pandemic, he ended up turning on me and my family.
	Your husband did?
	Yes.
	And were you and your husband living together?
	No, not at that time.
	Wait, you were married, but you weren't living with him?
	Well, he had.
	We really don't need to get too much into it, but he had put me in the hospital.
	And so that's why I was staying with my dad.
	And then he ended up getting involved in a lot of stuff against my family.
	Like when we exposed all these stuff, we ended up losing our house, our cars, corporate assets.
	My sister was stolen.
	Haven't seen her in like four years.
	Your sister was stolen?
	Yes.
	She was trafficked.
	So I haven't seen her for four years.
	No, people that were involved.
	So there were multiple agencies involved, but I mean.
	Would you know where she's located?
	No.
	Do you mean three-letter agencies came in and got her?
	There were multiple agencies involved.
	So I worked for the government, and my dad is a mechanical engineer, and we were exposing different agencies in the area.
	What branch of the government did you work for?
	The Saskatchewan Health Authority is a provincial government.
	So pretty much we were exposing how, like I said, the improper contagion mitigation procedures for the pandemic were used for election interference, bioterrorism, treason against Canada and the United States.
	This is too human trafficking.
	Yeah, we can't get into it.
	Well, we can't get into this.
	That's why I told you that.
	We don't need the details about that yet.
	That's why I said if you want more information.
	No, no, no, hang on, hang on.
	Just because we can't say those words, those specific words, we can still at least figure out or try to figure out because this is wild, right?
	So we went from you're in a relationship to know you were actually married and your husband started trafficking members of your family and your sister is gone and has been gone for years and you don't know where she is.
	You could see where we're like, what is going on here?
	Like I said, there's a lot.
	It's not something that you can just explain in like five minutes.
	So like I said, it wasn't a real relationship.
	And you can leave it at that.
	And if you want more information, like I said, you can more than welcome to reach out to Dale Richardson on Twitter or his email.
	All right, we're moving on.
	What about you?
	All right, I'm recently single.
	I kind of forgot the rest of the questions.
	I got out of a relationship a couple months ago, and that was my longest relationship.
	And we were dating for about two, a little over two years.
	Okay, two years.
	And you said you recently got out of it.
	How long ago?
	About three months ago.
	So you've been single for three months.
	Okay.
	I am currently married.
	I've been married for four months.
	So we're broke newlyweds.
	And our marriage is definitely very traditional, and I like it like that.
	But yeah.
	You said married for three months?
	Four months.
	Four months.
	And how long were you guys together before that?
	Not long.
	Less than a year, actually.
	So you've been together for you've been together for a year, or it's a year and four months?
	No, um, I'm sorry, this is okay.
	No, you're fine.
	You're fine.
	Um, so we met in June and then we got married in December.
	So we were together for less than a year.
	Yeah, so we've been literally married and together plus for less than a year.
	It was very, very fast, but so you were dating for like five months out and then got married.
	So you've been together for about nine months?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	And is that your, is this your longest relationship?
	No, it's not.
	I had one that was slightly longer, about, I would say, a year and two months, but that was back in high school.
	I ended it.
	Okay.
	And are you guys the same age?
	Yes.
	Well, he's a year younger than I am, but close enough.
	Than your husband?
	Oh, no.
	So my husband is just a year younger than I am.
	And the person that, or the guy I was with for a year and two months was just a year older than I was.
	So you're older than your husband.
	Yeah.
	So you're like a cooper, basically.
	I know, yes.
	We just.
	How did you and your husband meet?
	We actually met at the worst possible place for couples to meet.
	We met at the club.
	Yeah.
	Amen to that.
	So it was his very first time ever at a club, and it was my last time ever at one.
	My friend and I went up to Berkeley and the little sort of show that we were going to see there, the little concert, we just ended up taking too long and we didn't make it.
	And we were like, Ransy, let's get out and do something.
	And that's what ended up being on the radar because, you know, what happens after 11 o'clock?
	And yeah, so we met there and there was this total creeper following me around.
	And so, of course, you know, you do that thing where if there's a guy that's bothering you, you make eye contact with someone else and give them the look of help me, please.
	And he just came right up to me, pretended like he knew me, like, hey, I've been looking for you, you know.
	And we had like a three-hour long conversation about going down the rabbit hole about, you know, the government, politics, short-form content, all that sort of stuff.
	And he's just super intellectual.
	And yeah, we just clicked really well.
	How old did you say you were again?
	I'm 21.
	Do you buy him alcohol?
	I'll do anything for my husband.
	It's just like, of course.
	So he, the way, like, you didn't know him, you made eyes with him because some other guy was bothering you.
	Yes.
	And that's kind of how you guys met.
	Yes.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Yeah.
	Millennial Millie, what about you?
	So my longest relationship is just about 12 years.
	And obviously, that's my husband that I'm with.
	We have two kids.
	And what else do you want to know?
	No, so you've been.
	You said you've been together for 12 years.
	You're married?
	Almost 12 years, yeah.
	How long have you been married for?
	We, common law married pretty soon after getting together.
	Okay.
	So you're common law married, but did you have like an official marriage or?
	Not an official marriage.
	We don't want to get the state mingled in our affairs.
	Do you have a covenant marriage?
	Huh?
	Do you have a covenant marriage?
	Yeah.
	Basically, we're like covenant with God, common law married.
	We don't want the state and the judges.
	Was it officiated by a church?
	By no.
	A covenant marriage officiated by a church.
	Yes, by a Christian church.
	But we just didn't want to ever register it.
	Yeah, that's fine.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	My relationship status, I am married, and I have been, my longest relationship has been 16 years.
	Is that your current?
	Yes, it is.
	All right.
	And how long have you been married?
	So we haven't had our wedding yet, but we technically are legally married.
	Okay.
	And we, like I said, we've been together 16 years, so.
	Wait, so how long have you been legally married?
	Legally married, I think it would be a couple years.
	A couple years.
	Okay.
	No ceremony, though.
	No, there's a few details that we want to iron out.
	I want to actually get married in a Catholic church.
	Okay.
	He's not Catholic, is he?
	He is not.
	Yeah.
	So they wouldn't marry you?
	Well, I think they actually would, but I haven't completed my sacrament of what is it?
	Confirmation.
	So you haven't been confirmed in the Catholic Church?
	I haven't, no.
	Okay, so are you a catechuman?
	Well, I was baptized and I had my first Holy Communion when I was very young.
	Oh, okay.
	And then I was a fallen Catholic.
	Oh.
	Briefly.
	Well, not briefly.
	What does that mean, fallen Catholic?
	Meaning, like I had a year, or actually like 17 years of just falling away from my faith, kind of becoming more atheistic.
	Okay.
	So you're going back and your priest said that he wanted you to go back through this before acceptance?
	I'm sorry to say that.
	Your priest said he wanted you to go through A, B, and C before you're accepted back?
	No.
	So now that we have decided we wanted to get married, that's where I want to get married as in a Catholic church.
	So I have to be confirmed.
	And I think he may just have to be baptized because I've talked to a few people.
	Like, for instance, my aunt, she's Catholic, but her husband is Jewish.
	So they were able to get married in a Catholic church.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	What about you?
	I am in a committed relationship.
	It's the longest relationship that I've ever been in.
	It's been about one and a half years, I would say.
	And it is an age gap relationship, so my boyfriend is 11 years older than me.
	So he's 32?
	33?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	21, 32.
	All right.
	How did you guys meet?
	We actually met at the mall.
	He hit on me, funny enough.
	Just came up.
	What was his opening line?
	He just asked for my number.
	Was straight up?
	Yeah, I used to.
	What's your number?
	Like, what's your number?
	Well, I mean, no hi.
	He was like, hey, I think you're really pretty.
	And then he just asked for my number, and we went on a date after that.
	All right.
	He took a shot.
	It worked.
	Good.
	Good shit.
	All right.
	Andrew, your relationship status.
	I'm married.
	I've been married for 12 years.
	Yeah.
	Okay, great.
	So I've got some pre-show notes here that I'm going to start with.
	Really quick, Keisha, right?
	You said on your Twitter I saw this, men play chess, women play checkers.
	I was curious, what do you mean by that?
	So, like, my dad raised me to understand that men play chess and women play checkers, so that they have a completely different line of thinking than women do.
	And I didn't really used to, like, understand what he was talking about, but as I got older, I did, and especially the last couple of years, I see in real time every day men creating circumstances for things that women don't see, whether it be positive or negative.
	And men are meant to do that, he said, because they are the leaders in the home.
	So they're supposed to create the circumstances for their family's success.
	And they do that by chess.
	And it happens completely unbeknownst to women because we just don't think in that way.
	And that's a good thing.
	Like, they have a very strong ability to compartmentalize so that they can keep going in difficult situations and hardships that chisel them rather than cripple women, right?
	Just that's how they become great men and fathers.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Could you give an example of how, what does it mean women play with chess?
	Like men play chess.
	Yeah.
	Oh, checkers.
	Sorry.
	Women play chess.
	For example, does anybody play like tic-tac-toe in this?
	I mean, they might.
	I don't know.
	But an example of this, I would say, is a lot of women, feminists who are in power.
	A lot of times they think that they are the ones pulling the strings and making decisions, and men are giving them positions of power so that they can feel like they're making good moves.
	Whole time, the men are behind the scenes, pulling the strings on what they're doing, and even actually more in control than they understand them to be, and just using the women as a pawn.
	So they're playing chess in real time and moving all the pieces on the board.
	Meanwhile, the women think they're making decisions, but the men are just setting them up to do exactly what they want, whether they decide to submit or not.
	So a lot of women are like, oh, I would never submit to a man.
	But in actuality, either with men in society, whether you choose to submit or not, they're going to make you submit.
	Like you either choose to submit to a husband and a father who loves and cares about you and God, or you're going to submit to someone in corporate America that's just going to play chess moves with you for their own benefit and their own family.
	So that's a real-time example.
	Judges, lawyers, whatever.
	Now, do any of the girls disagree with her?
	I would say I agree with most of what Keisha said.
	I would push back a little bit.
	Like, I don't think that we should underestimate the capabilities of some women.
	I would say that overall, many women, especially when they're younger, sorry, when they're younger, when they're younger girls, I could see them being kind of like that same thing you're talking about where they're playing checkers and they're not thinking things through.
	But I think as women get older and they start to become more mature in business and other different things, they can start to see things through.
	But I think you're right in that men do kind of have innate talent for seeing things down.
	But I wouldn't disregard that there are women that are capable of some of those things as well, especially women that work in intelligence.
	Yeah, but they're the outliers.
	Right.
	It's like everyone always wants to point to the outliers, but they are outliers for sure.
	Well, if I could interject, I'm sorry.
	I don't actually, I'm not actually undermining women's capability and capacity when I say that they play checkers.
	I'm actually speaking to the greater point of the individuality and the way that God created man and women, and the power that women have when they come to understand that they don't think like men and they're not men, because then you're able to work most efficiently with men and you're able to just do your own.
	Like, for example, I learned this working with my dad the last couple of years.
	I might tell something to my dad like oh dad, like this is gonna happen, like I know for sure, like I can see this coming down the line.
	And he's like, okay Keisha, chill.
	And I'm like, come on man, like I know what I'm talking about and in a couple of weeks it might happen.
	And I tell him, like that, I told you that was gonna happen.
	He's like Like, Keisha, that's cool, but I needed to demonstrate every step of the way exactly how this happened, the who, what, when, where, why, how.
	And all you were looking at was the end result.
	And I see a lot of times women we look at the outcome rather than the steps to get there, and we don't know the steps, which is why we're really bad at creating solutions.
	Women just want to feel better.
	Men actually want to create the solution to solve the problem.
	So, men play chess because they pull the strings on many situations and literally create the circumstances for that success in real time and mitigate the problem, the consequences of the problem in real time.
	Women cannot do that.
	I've come across multiple women in multiple different areas of life.
	I've never ever seen a woman beat a man at chess.
	And it doesn't matter how smart the woman is or how smart the man is.
	It has nothing to do with IQ.
	It's simply the way that men think versus the way women think.
	We're just different.
	And I'm glad we're different because when I see all the things that my father does on a day-to-day basis to work, like he gets up, he like does his smoothie, does his workout, he goes, works like 16 hours a day, does another like exercise, two Bible studies during the day, has constant attacks continuously, and he's still going like a machine.
	He can do all of that.
	But I'm sitting here like, okay, I need to take a nap.
	And I'm not, I'm not like dumb in any capacity, but it's just sorry, sorry.
	It's just the fact that they have that ability to make a lot of things happen regardless of what's going on.
	You're speaking in nature, the ontology.
	You're not talking, so you're saying by nature, the nature of these things are totally different.
	Well, yeah, yeah, because God created us.
	I mean, God created us to.
	Sorry, I did not mean I accidentally pressed the button.
	I was just switching the camera angles, but I accidentally pressed the button.
	All right, man.
	Yeah.
	Well, it is true, though, that men and women think differently.
	I will say that is true, and that they each have their strengths and their weaknesses.
	Like, one example, really, in the roles that I think God wanted us to really portray and fulfill in our lives, like even I naturally find it's very easy to multitask as a woman versus my husband, he can't, you know, cook and watch the kids and you know, clean or do this and do that, do a million different things at the same time.
	He has to be able to have quiet and focus on one thing, whereas with women, we are naturally wired to be able to do things.
	And that's because we actually, our brains are slightly different and then we have more interconnecting nerves between both sides of our left and right hemisphere of our brain.
	Yeah, but she's talking about something different.
	She's going deeper than that.
	She's talking about the nature itself from its being, its state of being, and saying that within men's nature on this planet, their nature is to look at a situation and then they're mitigating bad outcomes and maximizing good outcomes.
	And that women are generally not doing that.
	They're just benefiting from the either good outcome or the bad outcome.
	I think that's what you're getting at, right?
	Yeah, like, because, and you mentioned that men don't multitask.
	I think they do it in a different way.
	Because, like I said, like watching my dad over the past couple of years lose absolutely everything, you know, filing things in court, doing his engineer, mechanical engineering, still trying to mitigate my life and my sister's and his and everyone around him, and doing everything to help all these different people at the same time while maintaining his physical, mental, and emotional health.
	I think that men multitask in a way that's protective, in a way that benefits the system as a whole.
	Like everything that they have to do is not just going to benefit them one, like in that moment, it's benefiting long-term and like just destroying the attacks in like real time from multiple different angles.
	So I think it's, we were created to do two different things and they're equally as valuable.
	So women playing checkers is just as valuable as chess, but it has to work together in order to make the system move the way it needs to.
	Can I ask you a personal question?
	Sure.
	Was your mother in your life?
	It seems like your dad is like a big hero for you.
	He is.
	My dad is like a G. Like he's an O.
	I call him the OT engineer.
	I do know my mom, but I was primarily raised by my father, my grandmother, and great-grandmother.
	Yeah, it's just because, like, I wouldn't say I fundamentally disagree with you guys, with what you guys are saying, but I'm not, I'm atheist or agnostic.
	I'm not practicing of any religion, but I grew up in the church for 16 years.
	My mom made me go every weekend.
	And I'm Baptist.
	Well, why are you wearing a cross if you're atheist?
	For fashion.
	And irony.
	I don't know.
	Yeah, sorry.
	Is that blasphemous?
	But it's kind of like a fashion.
	It's just kind of strange.
	It's definitely a trend.
	I mean, I still grew up in the church.
	I still say I'm spiritual, but I just, I'm not practicing it.
	I don't like follow the gospel like that.
	So you more so like believe in God and Jesus, but just not the church structure?
	No.
	Oh, no.
	I just have a connection to the church, and I'd say I have a connection to my spirituality, but I don't believe.
	I don't believe that I would know if there was a creator.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Is it just relativism?
	Yeah.
	But back to my point, what I was saying was, like, I feel like I do agree, but I don't think it's fair to women out there, especially women who do work to organize their lives around their families, because I had a single mom, and the way you describe your dad reminds me of the way I felt about my mom, you know.
	And although I do think women are more emotional and that like increased emotional response can lead to like playing checkers instead of chess, I think maybe when women are able to subtract men from their lives or like just like, I don't know, I think that there are women out there who can play life like a chess game or that, like, I wish I could say that I could, you know, even though you're not.
	Don't you think your mom probably had to lean into her masculinity because she was a single mom?
	Oh, definitely, but I don't see a problem with leaning into your masculinity.
	I wish I could act like I was playing the chest.
	To go to her point, you're saying that you noticed some of the things that she's talking about relevant to your relationship and your dynamic with your mom, but she had to take on a masculine role.
	So she probably had to do some of the things that she's describing her father did, correct?
	Yeah, but she's a woman.
	But of course, I know she's still a woman.
	I'm saying she had to lean into her masculinity in order to probably protect you, provide for you, and also nurture you.
	So she had much more to do, but those aspects of protection and provision are masculine.
	I think that I could be leaning into my masculinity more like on Tuesday than I was on Wednesday, but they're just all abstract concepts.
	And at the end of the day, she's a woman.
	And we're making a lot of money.
	If they're abstract concepts, then why would you bring them up as being a differential between the two things if they're just abstract?
	They are abstract, but what I'm saying is I think it's problematic to...
	Yeah, but you're a relativist.
	Everything's abstract.
	That's okay.
	And why is it problematic for her to put her father on her pedestal?
	It's not problematic for her to put her father on a pedestal.
	I'd say it's problematic to say that men are always playing chess and women are always playing checkers because chess is fundamentally a higher intelligent game.
	Is that a truth statement?
	No.
	I'd say.
	No, so then why should we believe you if it's not a true statement?
	Why should you believe that?
	Why should we believe what you just said that some women are doing this, some men are doing that?
	You just said that it's not a truth statement.
	Well, if you want to actually talk about logic, though.
	Is it true or not true?
	It's a logical fallacy to say something is always one way and never another way.
	What's that fallacy called?
	It's a trend.
	Is it called the I just made it the fuck-up fallacy?
	So back to where I was at.
	It's not called the child.
	So back to where I was at.
	It's not called.
	When we're talking about, when we're talking about relativism, which is what we're talking about right now, you can't make truth claims.
	Relativism is what you're talking about.
	Okay, I was just talking.
	She was talking about a trend.
	But it's not.
	She's talking about a stereotype.
	When you say something like, I disagree, when you say something like, I disagree with you, this is not true.
	This is true.
	You're a moral relativist.
	You don't even believe in a standard for truth.
	You have no standard for truth.
	Why would you ever make a claim something is true or not true?
	Well, you just hate all relativists.
	I was having a conversation here.
	Is that true?
	Is it true that I hate all relativists?
	It might be because you're not relativists.
	Is that true?
	That it might be true?
	Okay, I'm sorry I had a relativist argument, but what I was the point that I was trying to make was she was the phrase, men are playing chess, women are playing checkers, is a stereotypical phrase.
	And I'm sure she might also concede that there are outliers to that.
	However, I'm saying, I'm saying maybe a better way to phrase it, as she was saying, was it is more masculine to play chess as perceived in our society because we have for so long said, oh, men play chess.
	Like, yeah, like, of course, that's masculine.
	You're becoming more masculine if you're starting to play chess.
	Why can't I just say she's becoming more strategic?
	Why can't I just say that?
	I think she's using it as an analogy.
	Can I ask you a question?
	I'm aware.
	Yeah.
	So I have two questions, I guess.
	One, would it be as offensive if I, in fact, said women play chess and men play checkers?
	And two, actually, you can answer that one.
	I don't think it's offensive at all.
	I was just voicing my opinion.
	Okay, but when it comes, okay, so in regards to the initial statement, you were talking about being raised by a single mother.
	Do you think that a man can do the role of a mother?
	Do you think that's replaceable by a man?
	Can your father do what a mother does for you?
	I wouldn't put it in personal terms.
	I wouldn't put it in personal terms to myself, but I think that a man could easily fulfill the role of a single mother.
	I asked the.
	Okay, yeah, because I.
	I wish grid one was my dad donated $200.
	First girl, word of advice: stop while you're behind.
	I will only get worse for you from here.
	I'm great at argument.
	Ladies, what are two deal-breaker characteristics in a man?
	Also, fuck the APF.
	Abolish the NFA.
	Yes.
	And you know what?
	To give you credit, it's good that you're at least because I feel like this panel might be leaning a bit more one way than the other.
	So I certainly give you credit for being open to disagreement on this.
	Well, just to kind of play devil's advocate here, because I naturally agree more with Keisha, but I can see both sides of an argument.
	And what I'll say is that I think what Keisha was meaning was generalities.
	Like in general, men, you know, think with playing chess and women with checkers.
	But of course, he already acknowledged over here that there are outliers, that there are going to be outliers in that situation.
	So just because.
	The exceptions prove the rule.
	Right, right.
	If the exception proves the rule, you wouldn't have the exception.
	Right, so we have outliers, we have exceptions.
	But technically, her mother might be one of those outliers.
	We don't know, but I think that she can actually say, well, I saw my mother fulfilling some of those things.
	I saw that in Roski, so maybe she's just one of the outliers.
	Yeah, you can say that, but that's really not in context what the discussion is.
	The discussion is in context.
	The discussion isn't asking, are there going to be outliers in basically every situation we can think of?
	Sure.
	Okay, sure, of course there are.
	Always going to be some kind of outlier for something.
	But in context, what she's saying is, if you're looking at the nature of men, when they look at the world, they're playing chess.
	What she's saying is they organize the world based on a strategic mind.
	So they're saying everything from how do I want to run the wires for those cameras to how do I want to organize the structures of society?
	And she's saying, if you don't follow that pattern and submit to your husband and allow him to take that role, then in corporate America, you're going to have to do it for a psychopath.
	That's her whole point.
	Am I wrong?
	No, that's exactly it.
	And I think another example is like men have told me that when they come up and just have a casual conversation with a woman, they can tell what kind of man is in her life and what level of proximity, like if she's maybe dating, just by like certain behaviors or things that she says and does.
	Women don't read actions the way that men do.
	And I don't care how good they are at it.
	Like they just don't read actions the way that men do.
	We are so deceived by like what we hear.
	And like it's not the same.
	We speak completely different languages.
	And the more that you realize that you are completely different mentally and emotionally from a man, the more you have protection against some of the things that happen.
	Because as soon as I realize a man.
	Which is how you know she was raised by a man if it was a single parent because she's speaking sense.
	I was going to ask you, actually, I was like, you noticed that I had a you asked me immediately, okay, were you raised with your mother?
	And probably because you could tell by the way that I'm speaking, what's coming out of my mouth, that there's more of a masculine influence in my life as opposed to a woman's.
	And so it's something that you delineate already in your mind that's completely different to what a woman would operate in.
	So it's just a completely different thing.
	And as soon as I notice that a man is playing chess, I instantly defer, instantly defer to my father.
	And if I had a husband, I'd instantly defer to him because I know that I will never win a game of chess against a man.
	I just won't.
	And if I try to, as soon as I enter the game, I lose.
	That's the part that I find problematic.
	Yes, the statement overall is true.
	I won't be a relativist.
	I'd say, as a generalization, it can be said as true.
	But the reason I don't like that framing is because.
	A relativist can't say anything's true.
	I never claimed to be a relativist.
	Continue with your point, though.
	But just so you can just say you know, in the future, you did claim you were a relativist.
	Okay.
	But that's all an agnostic.
	Go ahead with your point, though.
	Well, I mean, like, it creates a sense of fear because what if some of the men are stupid?
	Trust me, there are dumb men out there who are playing checkers.
	You know, that's what's happening now with the structure of predatory.
	Yeah, and that's the other thing.
	And we see that happening all the time where there are predatory men who are actually targeting young, vulnerable women, especially women who haven't had fathers in their lives like you.
	They target and prey on the vulnerable women.
	And I think that's what partially what Keisha is trying to get to here is that if men are thinking like with chess and you're not going to be able to figure out if they're trying to prey on you or target you, you become a vulnerable target when you don't have your father in your life.
	But you don't believe that you can play chess too.
	Wait, can I ask you something?
	And you don't believe that they can be playing checkers.
	Can I ask you something, though?
	Yeah.
	Would you like a relationship with a man who will completely take care of you, protect for you, provide for you, stand by you, be loyal, have kids with you, and you could trust that he's there 100%?
	Shane donated $200.
	I don't third girl, huge pick-me.
	Do you want to address the pick-me accusation?
	Yes, pick me, because like, what the heck?
	Why would I want to be, why would I, like, why would I want to be in the position to do any of this by myself?
	Like, the amount of things that women are put up to do that they literally cannot handle doing is literally the reason for the destruction of our society right now.
	Because men are not being able, not being respected in their position as men and fathers, and women are taking control and also being told that they can actually do it and then failing.
	A lot of that is because a lot of men aren't present in the childhood.
	And that's, you know, that's what's happening is there's just the women are trying to control and they don't understand and appreciate what the men do because they don't, they never had an example of that.
	What other choices are you?
	Really quick, really quick.
	I wish grid one.
	We will ask your question here.
	I'm just letting this conversation finish up.
	I will ask the two-deal breaker question.
	What other choice do they have?
	That's strange.
	Could you go work on an oil rig tomorrow?
	I could if I wanted to.
	Oh, so are you saying that you have all the choices that men have right this second?
	Yeah.
	Okay, no.
	Then what are you talking about?
	What are you talking about?
	I don't have all the choices men have right this second.
	Oh, what choices don't you have?
	A lot.
	What?
	I can't be as condescending as you.
	Well, that's because you just have not acquired the skill of knowledge, which is a prerequisite.
	It's because society thinks I play checkers and you play chess.
	Yeah, but we're not going to be able to do that.
	So even if I try to be on the same level as you, I'm already a relatively family.
	Okay, great.
	Snark.
	But can you answer the question?
	What choices do I have?
	What do you not have?
	If there's no man in the middle of the world.
	What choice do you not have that men have?
	Okay, what choice do I not have that men have when I wake up in the morning?
	I cannot walk around with my shirt off.
	I know that's a stupid, lame one, but I don't know how many of you will have to.
	You can walk around with your shirt off.
	Okay, well, public.
	Without social outrage.
	Yeah.
	What choices do you have?
	Or do you not have?
	Well, this isn't relevant to the menu.
	No, that's exactly irrelevant.
	They were saying, can you guys say that?
	You said it's because women.
	I'll repeat it for you.
	Okay.
	You said it's because women have not had the choices that men have had.
	Yes, it is what you have.
	They were saying that a woman is trying to act as a man in their life because there was no man in their childhood.
	And I said, what other choice does she have?
	Okay, so just so that we're clear, you do think from an egalitarian lens then men and women have the same amount of equal choice.
	No.
	Okay, well then what choices do women not have that men have?
	There's a lot.
	It would be hard for me to delineate them all for you, but that doesn't mean they're not fair.
	Name one.
	That doesn't mean they're not there.
	There's a lot that they have.
	It's not going to be good enough for you, but sure.
	Let me think of some of the things.
	I could probably not go work a contracting job.
	Why?
	Because I'm physically weaker.
	Okay, so.
	Biological.
	That has nothing to do with a law fair, though.
	With what?
	With law.
	So it has nothing to do with the law.
	You could go work as a contractor.
	Okay, but they were saying women who grow up without male figures typically fail because they're trying to take on these masculine roles, which they are not capable of taking on.
	What is your question that is challenging me?
	My question to you just now was: do you believe in this egalitarian society that men and women have equal choice?
	You said no.
	Yes, that's why the women are failing.
	We're not saying they're failing.
	What we're saying is that women who grow up without fathers in their home, they're made more vulnerable because men who are thinking on the level of chess, who might actually not be a good man, who might be a predatory man, those men see you as an easy target, a vulnerable person that they can take advantage of.
	See, if your father's in the home, your father can say, that's not a good guy.
	Don't date him.
	I see the red flags.
	Don't even bother.
	Or the father can set a standard when that man is coming to pick you up for a date.
	You're going to have my daughter home at this time.
	Nothing funny, or you're going to deal with me and you're going to answer to me.
	So what we're getting at is the women who don't grow up with fathers, it's not that you're failing.
	It's more or less that you're failing, right?
	That's what she was saying.
	No, we're not saying you have to masculinize.
	We're talking about how you're being made vulnerable because you don't have a father figure in your home.
	But aren't men also, male children are also made vulnerable if they don't have the father in the home?
	Absolutely.
	And so it's a different thing.
	It doesn't tend to go in the form of being taken advantage of sexually.
	It usually has to go in the form of more likely to be imprisoned or in jail or having doing drugs and other things.
	Taking advantage of sexually, though.
	I would say that there's a lot of boys that are being taken advantage sexually because they don't have fathers.
	Maybe like by women?
	By men and women.
	The public school system is one of the worst.
	And women are not afraid of that.
	And that's where women are insulting.
	They're doing predatory boys all the time.
	I've never heard about that.
	For instance, if you were to take, you know, you hear the old trope, you know, the Catholic priests do all the, you know, the kid diddling.
	But it's actually, if you look at the public schools, teachers do way more than priests ever dreamed of.
	And if you look at the female population in public school, especially, it's an outrageous amount compared to the rest of the general population.
	So, yes, of course, if there's no strong dominant male in the home, those kids would be much more prone to falling into that.
	No, no, you're right.
	I would say you're right.
	Like, overall, a male not being in the home is at the detriment to both children, male or female children, overall.
	And there are different ways I think that it kind of surfaces.
	But let me take it a step further and say it's less detrimental if a woman isn't, if the mother isn't.
	If a mother is less detrimental.
	If a mother isn't what?
	Present in the home.
	You need both.
	And it's best.
	Statistically, so.
	But I think that it's less detrimental to have a single father raising kids than a single mother.
	Statistically, it shows that if a child has both parents, assuming that they're good, they have the best chances for success.
	And then if they have a single father, they have almost equal chances, I think, up to 90-something percent chance of success.
	And then if it's a single mother, I think it plummets like 80, negative 80-something percent.
	That's the stepdad effect.
	So the stepdad effects, often that's where the abuse inside of homes comes from, is from a step parent, far less likely to see the step parent who's a female come in and enter abuse because, well, it's really hard to do that to a male, right?
	They can step in and be like, no, you ain't doing shit, or else.
	So that's the effect.
	And that's why you see that over and over again play out in society.
	And that's why single fathers tend to have better overall overarching outcomes than single mothers too.
	Yeah, I just wanted to, I also just wanted to add, so there was a point where I was really, I was very like new wave feminist, and I really resented men and masculinity.
	You know, I was with the whole thing.
	And I was so much more unhappy and just because I was having turned it around.
	God, honestly.
	I mean, the patriarchy.
	Yes, or the patriarchy.
	The patriarchy is here for you.
	you know and just and and accepting and also humbling myself to accept the input of of others and whatnot and not rebelling against masculinity but actually seeing the beauty in it but a lot of that is because men right now are they're not giving us the opportunities to appreciate appreciate masculinity as much because you have a lot of like because your husband won't put up with any of that shit yes Yes.
	You can put up with none of that shit.
	But not in a chauvinistic, nasty way.
	But he'll tell me logically of like, hey, you're overthinking, which is, you know, like you were saying, like, chill out, you know?
	And I appreciate that, and I appreciate that masculine reflection because it does help me be able to operate better and on a more logical level.
	But because I was vacillating so much between the femininity and masculinity, I was so much more mentally exhausted and depressed.
	And it's crazy because I was like, screw men, blah, blah, blah.
	But then I would go home at night and be like, I want someone to take care of me.
	I want to be a wife, everything, you know.
	But I do understand what you were saying.
	And I just think that it's because there's not a lot of healthy masculinity for men.
	And that's partially our fault as women right now because we're trying to turn things into a matriarchy.
	Can I just say something to you?
	Although maybe you don't have your father in your home or as much in your life as you deserve, you always will have Heavenly Father and God in your life.
	And if you let him be in your heart, he will be there with you and you can know that he loves you.
	And the other thing is that if you follow his word, it will naturally protect you from these things.
	So if you're following the word of God, the father, your father, then you will be able to have some protection and be able to, you know, I guess protect yourself from some of the vulnerable things that you might have.
	Do you agree with that, Lene?
	Um, no.
	I'm 19 and my parents have not been together since I was like three.
	I've not had a dad forever, and that whole time my mom was pushing the Bible on me.
	And, you know, she said the same things you did.
	You're going to end up getting manipulated by men.
	You're too much of a people pleaser.
	You know, you're too emotional.
	Like, of course, I've heard it before.
	Of course, oh, daddy issues.
	This, this, and this.
	No.
	Well.
	Okay, well, not about the God part because it.
	Oh, just not about that part.
	Just about all of the things, all the other things.
	No, no disrespect to people's religion, but I think if you're a certain age, especially my age, and if you are very set on like what you think, like I'd say I'm like just skeptical in general.
	Like it's not even like, oh, my God.
	Are you skeptical of your skepticism?
	No.
	I'll give you an example about something that I noticed with my daughter.
	If I want my daughter to do something, she's like seven, but I have to go tell my husband to show her that this is the right way.
	She trusts me.
	She'll tell me anything.
	She won't tell her dad a lot.
	I mean, she will, but she's seven.
	She doesn't have a lot.
	The point is, though, if I really want her to do something, I know I have to make him present the idea because she respects what he has to say more.
	She's more, even at seven, more afraid or at least cognizant of disappointing him.
	She's not really worried about disappointing him.
	That's very true.
	I'd say I grew up with that too.
	Even though my dad wasn't in the life, I'd say I'd also experience that phenomenon.
	And building off of that, I would say that I think a lot of me not following the gospel has to do with my experience in the church, which was pretty bad too.
	Like the experiences of both mother figures and father figures were just not good to the point where it's like I would maybe go to another church another time, but it's just like it wasn't for me then.
	I have a question.
	Did they judge you?
	Did they judge you?
	Do you feel like maybe a personal question, but do you feel like your father kind of rejected you by not being in your life?
	No, it was really early.
	Like it wasn't because of my mom.
	I know it was because they hated each other.
	It wasn't because of me.
	But like they had to have a life.
	They could have been in your life still, right?
	He was partially in my life.
	Partially.
	Okay.
	I just wondered if your rejecting God, the father, has anything to do with feeling rejected by your father?
	No, I just think I'm not a religious person.
	And there's a lot of people who reject religion who have fathers.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Right.
	Yeah.
	But we all reject God at one point or another in our life for different reasons, right?
	Like when I was younger, I'm not here to judge you.
	I'm not sure.
	When I was younger.
	What about the outliers?
	They don't do that.
	Okay, yeah, sure.
	You're right.
	And I'm speaking in generalities, okay?
	Fair enough.
	So, you know, when I was younger, there was a point in time when I was about your age and I decided I was going to be an atheist and I was going to kind of reject Christianity and how I was raised and brought up.
	And all I can say is that it brought a lot of just suffering and bad things happening to me.
	And I wouldn't recommend that for anyone.
	And you kind of have to, in some ways, some of us in our journey in life, we have to find out the hard way.
	That, you know, when you don't want to follow God's laws and his commandments and his word, you actually find out that you find yourself in these situations.
	It's almost like he's giving us a guide through the Bible of how we can live our lives and not be hurt and not have things bad happen as much as they could, right?
	So he's giving us these commandments, not because he wants to tell us what to do, not like an authoritarian.
	He's coming from it like a loving paternal father figure that wants to keep you safe and wants for you to only have blessings and good things in your life for you.
	And when you realize that, that's when you know, like, okay, he loves us.
	He wants us to be safe.
	He wants good things.
	And I know you've probably heard these things before.
	And like I said, you're just going to have to go through life and go on that journey yourself.
	But I hope you eventually know that God loves you in Jesus Christ.
	She doesn't believe any of that shit.
	Like, look at her.
	She doesn't believe that either.
	I don't know if she has for a really long time.
	I admire your advice.
	And I definitely got through to her.
	I got through to her.
	You know what?
	Don't judge people because you never know.
	You should judge people.
	There are so many Christians out there who originally were the biggest atheists or the biggest anti-God people out there, and they literally turn around.
	Yeah.
	They didn't like that on a podcast.
	They usually got light kicked in their ass.
	Well, some people.
	You never know.
	You never know.
	I've been baptized, by the way, already when I was like 10.
	So that's great.
	From a secularist perspective, you got to take the worldview out before you can replace it with something better.
	There's nothing better than God.
	I know, but from the secularist perspective, see, she's a skeptic.
	She told you, right?
	I'm skeptical.
	You have to provide me.
	There's people that are skeptical.
	The why matters, right?
	And the Bible tells us in Isaiah that we're supposed to help the fatherless, the widow, and the poor.
	And she said that while she was in church, she had a bad experience.
	And as Christians, it's our responsibility and our duty to make sure that we are showing the love of God and Jesus Christ in our lives.
	By destroying all arguments, yes.
	But by like, you know, helping.
	By destroying all arguments.
	That's what the whole point is to tear down the worldview before it can be replaced with something else.
	Yeah, the secularist starts.
	No, the worldview.
	An ideology can be attached to the worldview.
	Usually it is attached to the worldview.
	But when you look at Christianity, the Christian ethic is a worldview.
	It's a prism from which you view the world.
	It's not just a religion that you follow.
	It's not just the personal relationship with Christ.
	It's actually the prism.
	Even when it comes to logic, when you're talking about logic, things which are logically possible to a secularist are not logically possible to a Christian.
	Logical possibility does not even exist in our worldview the same way that it does the secular worldview.
	That's why it's so important to break down the secularist first before you can replace with actual dogma that makes sense.
	Usually you can't because what ends up happening is this my experience, it's no offense to you guys, all right?
	I'm glad everybody's out preaching the gospel.
	I'm just saying that what I see over and over and over again is you'll preach to a sit, they don't give a shit.
	They don't care.
	They're like, I've heard this.
	I've heard exactly.
	I've heard this shit 2,000 times.
	I don't give a shit.
	The only thing I've ever noted that's ever worked is to actually destroy the worldview as it exists from the secular perspective.
	Granting the secular perspective is true, showing them how absurd it is, then you can replace it with the truth.
	But that's just my experience.
	Otherwise, it just seems to me like you're just talking to a wall.
	Well, I was actually implying something different.
	I was actually implying, taking action, not actually words.
	So I was saying that it's our duty to actually go out and help the people, like the fatherless, the widow, the poor, and do what is necessary to help those people be in a better situation so that they can see the love of Jesus and then want to accept it.
	Because Jesus in the Bible, like he healed people before he preached and things like that, right?
	So that's kind of the approach I was trying to take.
	Yeah, and just because you had a question.
	I do have to move on.
	I do have to move on.
	Let me get a couple of the chats.
	And we did have grid one was my dad.
	He wanted to ask the ladies, what are two deal-breaker characteristics in a man?
	We'll start with you.
	We'll go around the table.
	Go ahead.
	Two dealer breakers.
	A man.
	That one sounds a hard one.
	I feel like I need.
	Does anyone have one that's like at the top of their head?
	What about you?
	A deal breaker.
	Two deal breakers.
	Two.
	I would say like disrespect, just under being disrespectful.
	Yeah, just disrespectful.
	And maybe.
	Yeah, just disrespectful to not only myself, but people around them.
	That's something that I don't like.
	And then maybe just not being loyal.
	I think everybody should be loyal.
	I would say for me, it would have to be someone who respects and serves God above themself.
	Yo, Sky, thank you for the gift of 20 memberships.
	So these are deal breakers.
	Yeah, if they don't do that.
	Yeah, if they don't respect God above themselves and serve God above themselves, because then I can't trust them to be loyal to the family or me.
	And then I would say if they're not, if they're not like a genuinely kind, just person.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Any, Renee, anything come to mind?
	If they have no passions in life.
	No passion.
	Like they just want to work a desk job or something.
	So they need to be ambitious.
	Yeah.
	Or just like to have something that you like doing besides making money.
	What about video games?
	What if they're passionate about video games?
	At least they're passionate about something.
	You know.
	Okay, I meant more like career-wise.
	Like they're passionate about a certain career path.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Was there another one?
	Another deal?
	If they can't dress.
	They can't dress?
	What do you mean?
	Like no style?
	Yeah.
	I mean, I guess I could fix that.
	That one's like more of a joke.
	I don't know if they're.
	You need like a super stylish.
	Disloyal.
	I don't know.
	It's all like kind of the same.
	Yeah.
	I think a deal breaker for me would be if he's like a mama's boy.
	I don't really like whenever their mom, like if they're like super mama's boy and like kind of like acting feminine, I feel like.
	Okay.
	And then also if they watch like adult content or anything like that.
	I mean.
	Okay.
	It's a deal breaker if they watch porn.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Don't you do porn?
	No, I did it for two months back in 2022 and I haven't done it in like since then.
	Is that what informed that deal breaker?
	Huh?
	Is that what informs the deal breaker?
	Sorry, what do you mean?
	Like, is it because you did that that you see that now is like a huge I think even before that I had a before I even started that I was in a relationship with this one guy and it kind of started then so way before all that and I like knew that he would watch it and it would make me really upset.
	Wait, even while you were no, that was way before that, yeah.
	But what do you think is a bigger deal breaker?
	A guy who watches porn or somebody who used to do porn?
	I don't know.
	It just depends on who the guy is because some people have like moved on completely from their lives and erased that completely and like you know rebuilt themselves.
	So it's all the internet's forever though.
	Yeah, but I mean, I mean, I already dated a porn star, so I kind of know what that's like.
	So, I mean.
	Well, I'm not really framing the question from your point of view in terms of is it a deal breaker for you to date a porn star or an ex-porn star.
	I'm saying, do you think it's a bigger deal breaker or red flag, perhaps, for from the guy's perspective to date someone who used to do porn versus from the girl perspective to date somebody who currently consumes porn?
	I probably would say, like, if you're still actively watching it and it's like still a habit and a part of your life, I would say that's probably worse.
	Let's say the consumption is just average.
	What is average to you?
	Once a week.
	Once or twice a week.
	No.
	No, no what?
	No porn.
	Like I just don't want.
	No, no, no, no, but what's the bigger deal breaker?
	Like if you were to compare the two.
	Or let's try to.
	It just, like I said, it just kind of depends.
	Like, I don't.
	Well, let's try to frame it a different way, maybe.
	Go ahead.
	Let's assume if you were thinking, if you had to give an answer on a man's dating preference and you asked him, would you rather have a woman who consumed porn once a week or once every other week versus one who used to star in porn, which would you rather have?
	What do you think he'd say?
	I think you'd probably go after the girl who just watches it.
	Yeah, so what do you think the delineation is?
	Is it informed again by the fact that you used to do it?
	And so you're just kind of hoping that that's the case?
	No, I just, that's like a boundary I have.
	That's all.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, but is it informed by the fact that you used to do it?
	No, but like I said, it started way before that in my first relationship with my first boyfriend.
	So it kind of started then.
	Okay.
	Did I get an answer to my question, though?
	No.
	You still did not.
	I'm really nervous.
	The reason I framed that up, though, was so if we turn this around, kind of show why would your standard be so much different than what their standard is.
	Yeah, but my point of view is just different from everyone's here because no one's done porn.
	So that's just.
	Right, so then it informs your standard.
	That's my whole point.
	I guess so.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	I guess the reason I'm asking is because I don't know if there's a specific term for this.
	You're not really coming to the table.
	I don't know if clean hands is the right term, but you're not like, you used to do porn, right?
	So I feel like if you're coming to the table with certain potential deal breakers or red flags or baggage, doesn't it mean, well, I guess you can desire anything in a partner, but doesn't it, it would occur to me that you have to give a little leeway to the potential partners that you're capable of getting?
	I guess so.
	So you're just saying like, let my boyfriend watch porn?
	Well, you're entitled to have that preference.
	That's not what he's saying at all.
	He's just saying, if your preference 180 degrees, is that you think that men would prefer a woman who consume porn once a month or once a week versus dating somebody who is in porn?
	Then couldn't you understand why the preference in reverse would be the same?
	I can totally understand that, yeah.
	Yeah, so that's from my own experience.
	So you were bothered by a boyfriend you had watching porn and then you decided to go do porn.
	Yeah.
	So what do you think the psychology is that what is that what happened?
	Yeah.
	I mean yeah.
	I'm trying to analyze the psychology here.
	Like the psychology of like, okay, so she was upset that her boyfriend was watching porn, which in a woman's mind, they might feel like they're being cheated on, right?
	Like it felt like a betrayal.
	Like he's cheating on you.
	Right.
	And then her response then is, were you guys broken up when you started doing the porn or were you together when you started doing porn?
	No, no, no.
	We were broken up and then I did it like two months after that.
	Was that, you said, your new relationship?
	So I met my last partner in the industry.
	So do you think that him watching the porn made you feel like those other girls who were doing the porn were better and that you wanted to then go do that because he found that more interesting than you?
	I'm just religious, so I think if you lust like a lot, that it's just kind of like a sin and you should probably just work on that.
	You guys get what I'm saying, right?
	Like it's kind of interesting here to see that she then pursued that.
	It's very ironic.
	I don't know if it's ironic.
	It's kind of interesting to understand the psychology of what gets a girl to go down the path of OnlyFans.
	Money.
	Yeah, it was primarily money.
	I think that there's psychological and emotional reasons for that.
	Definitely.
	I also don't have a father.
	Was the money a necessity?
	Or was it just something like, oh, I just want more money?
	Yeah.
	I was like living completely on my own in my own apartment.
	And so I was like, I had been struggling mentally for like quite a few months, I feel like that.
	Right.
	And it was just kind of like, I don't know, someone messaged me and was like, hey, you want to make a break?
	Yeah, you want to make a bunch of money so you can go buy shit you want?
	You're like, and of course, you know, 19-year-old me, I lived on my own.
	None of my parents have ever helped me out financially.
	We are going to move on.
	Just one deal breaker, please, if you can.
	One deal breaker in a man.
	Passivity slash femininity.
	Passivity slash, what do you mean?
	Just being a big wimp baby, having me to be the man.
	I think it's gross.
	I think it's disgusting.
	I think you should act like an adult, be an adult, care for me.
	Unless they're sick.
	Well, of course.
	Even a cold.
	Even a cold is level 10.
	Oh, yeah, no, I know, I know.
	I love cooking for him and caring for him and everything.
	But, you know, it's like it's a mutual thing.
	They'll kill a grizzly bear, but if they have a cold.
	Yeah.
	We all know men like to be babied when they're sick.
	I think that's because their body's like completely breaking down from the 10 billion things that they've been overworking themselves to do.
	Yes.
	And that's what women are supposed to handle it anymore.
	And then the wives are like, you're being such a baby.
	It's like, I'm about to die.
	That's actually good point.
	Good point.
	One deal breaker.
	A deal breaker?
	I would say, oh, there's a couple, but I would say probably not having a good relationship with God and essentially.
	That's up there.
	But as far as other more personal ones is any type of sign of not being loyal or cheating.
	Sure.
	What about you?
	Someone who has vice.
	A vice.
	I mean, a pretty substantial.
	Smoking cigarettes.
	No, something that would make me the mistress and then the wife or the family.
	Like drugs, you mean?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, just something that completely.
	Like a heroin addict.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	Well, just something that would break apart dynamic.
	Yeah.
	And safety.
	Okay.
	Kind of thinking about what she said.
	I think somebody that parties too much and too much partying, okay.
	Yeah.
	And then also just no goals in life or like career aspirations.
	I feel like there are a lot better things that you could be doing with your time.
	And I think that it's unattractive when your partner has no drive.
	All right.
	Andrew, a deal breaker.
	For women?
	Sure.
	I'll give you two easy ones.
	Cruelty to children, the elderly.
	Deal breakers, massive deal breakers.
	Yeah, this is like for anyone, right?
	No, not for anyone.
	It's particularly like, I think you look at the nurturing or what you consider the nature of a woman to be nurturing.
	You know, you find some women who talk shit about kids.
	Maybe you don't, but in these circles, you find them all the time.
	Anti-natalist people like this.
	Actually mock children, mock what they call breeders, mock what they call women who actually take care of their children, mock motherhood.
	One of the representations of the view that I have, even though feminists hate my guts, I feel like I represent real women in that worldview better than most because ultimately what I see over and over and over again from liberal progressive scumbags and from the liberal atheist mind and from the feminist mind is that they are anti-natalist, they hate children, and they hate the elderly.
	And they mock them incessantly.
	Oh, wow.
	Constantly.
	All the time, non-stop.
	I would say those are the two, if I had to really think about it, the two biggest red flags.
	Any type of feminist who does any mockery of actual motherhood, that's the biggest red flag.
	I would run the other direction.
	Why did you have to start that with feminist before?
	Doesn't feminist just someone who wants equality between two genders.
	I'm going to start something career.
	That's what the mindset says.
	Wait, can you say that one more time?
	Doesn't feminist just mean equality between the two genders?
	Is that what that means?
	It's the definition.
	Sure, I'll grant the definition.
	Is that what it means?
	I'm a poli-sized student, yes.
	In our classes, it means that someone who's equality, how legal equality, social equality.
	What's social equality?
	It would require a lot of different determinations.
	Like the draft, would that be social equality?
	Are there any feminists?
	I just wanted to ask you.
	I was asking you why.
	And I'm giving you an example.
	No, you're asking questions of how.
	Well, through the question, it gives you the example of how you can see where feminists in one side of their mouth will say that we want social equality.
	Now, the other side of their mouth really are not striving for actual social equality.
	What they're striving for is supremacy, female supremacy.
	And this is why you constantly see the victimhood, and I see it time and time again, of what I call Schrödinger's feminists, which is I'm an empowered boss bitch, I'm awesome.
	But the patriarchy is oppressing me.
	It's like, well, it can't be both.
	If the patriarchy is oppressing you, or you're a badass boss bitch CEO, like which one is that?
	I wouldn't say the patriarchy is legally oppressive, but I'd say there are societal norms and standards that impact women on their daily lives that fundamentally impact how they act.
	Like what?
	Knowing that men play chess and women play trackers.
	Now I'm scared.
	Now I'm scared to go talk to a man because they play chess.
	And now I think I'm not good enough.
	I have imposter syndrome.
	Maybe that's my fault for not having a dad.
	Keep going.
	Here's my question to you.
	Do you know any feminists that are pro-life?
	Are feminists pro-life?
	Personally, I'm sure I don't know any personally.
	They're usually pro-abortion.
	They're usually for people being able to have abortion.
	So when he's saying he's talking about women that display cruelty towards children and prenatal babies in the womb, it is relevant to say feminists because we know that the feminists are the loudest about aborting unborn babies.
	And many of them I've literally debated on the streets talk about thinking that it's okay to abort full-term babies.
	Okay, so when you have women, I talked to a feminist who literally had babies being eaten by alligator earrings hanging off of her ears and talking about how wonderful it was to abort all these babies.
	And I think that it's relevant to talk about feminism because those people are the loudest about being able to abort babies.
	I don't think that comes from a place of disliking children or holding animosity towards children.
	I think it's more saying, as a woman, I shouldn't be tied down to this one outcome of raising a family and having a child.
	Is that because it's all me, It's putting yourself before the life of a child.
	But is that because of the fear of having to take on the responsibility of the child alone as opposed to getting the support from the father?
	Maybe I, let's say I got pregnant tomorrow.
	I forgot to take my birth control.
	Look at me.
	Premarital sex.
	What is it?
	Me, me.
	Okay, yeah, but this is theoretical.
	Let's say I got pregnant.
	You guys would all want me to have it.
	What about I want to go to law school?
	I'm a poli-sci major.
	Me.
	Okay, but what's wrong with having a policy?
	That's not existing.
	So my feminists are telling you a self-conscious.
	I'm just going to point to the red flag.
	So what I'm saying is that the fact that all I heard is me, me, also me.
	Well, a man would be able to do that and not receive any backfrom and go to law school and finish it.
	Do you want the answer or not?
	Go for it.
	So when you go, me, me, I, me, I'll kill the kids because then I can get the shit that I want.
	Yeah.
	We think of that as being fucking monstrous.
	We think of it, hang on, we think of it literally akin to a monster.
	A monster is the type of person who would say, I'm going to do shit that I want, give myself the life that I want, get all the material gains that I want, at the expense of killing children.
	I literally cannot define a monster better than that.
	I wish my mom had aborted me.
	She was a horrible mother.
	She did not have the money.
	She did not have the money.
	Now the truth comes out, doesn't it?
	No, no, it's not because I'm suicidal, but I just wanted to make sure that it's not.
	Well, that's really strange to me.
	I just wanted to make a really aggressive.
	I wish your mom would have aborted you.
	Can you let me finish my sentence?
	You don't want to unalive yourself.
	That's so weird.
	No, no, no.
	Okay, but what I'm saying is my mom was not capable financially of raising a child at that time, and it gave me a way shittier life that I had to deal with every day.
	Oh, I know.
	Me, Yeah, but if she had, you know, she was old, whatever.
	But like, if someone who was super young who's not financially responsible yet, now what if your mother, what if your mother had you, but she put you up.
	What if she had you, but put you up for adoption and you were adopted by a very well-off mother and father that gave you a bad idea?
	That would have been great, but she wasn't going to do that, and she didn't.
	I'm saying if I was about to have a kid right now, I would have a horrible life.
	So I think it would be better off for everyone, not to mention the issues with the foster.
	Even if you put it in your life.
	I have a friend who's been in the foster care system.
	Why wouldn't you just unalive?
	She got adopted.
	Let me get this right.
	She did not like it.
	You don't want to unalive yourself right now, right?
	No.
	Right now.
	No.
	I mean.
	Because you have a good life, right?
	Okay.
	I actually, so I have a question.
	Well, hang on, let me finish the line of inquiry.
	Do you have a good life?
	Do you want to talk to my therapist?
	And that's why you don't.
	Of course you have a therapist.
	But I'm guessing you don't want to unalive yourself?
	I mean, I'm here.
	Oh, that doesn't answer the question.
	Okay, I didn't mean actually like, I wish I was dead.
	I was saying in some circumstances, abortion would be better.
	Yeah, I get it.
	But in your case, you said, I wish my mother would have aborted me.
	This is, I wish my mother would have killed me so I wasn't alive today because my childhood was rough.
	Not just that, but yeah, sure.
	I want to say that.
	Can I ask you something?
	Right.
	In your example, when you said, because I want to go to law school and if tomorrow I got pregnant, you made the choice to engage in sex, correct?
	In this hypothetical.
	We're just talking about this theoretical that you set up.
	But don't you think it's a bit absurd to make the most vulnerable person in that entire dynamic the most responsible for your actions and the actions that you engaged in?
	The most vulnerable person being the baby.
	The egg that has not even, the semen has not even reached it.
	Well, if you have an abortion, that's a good idea.
	What if I took a morning after pill?
	That's not a bortion.
	That's not the.
	But would that be true vibes with all y'all?
	That's not what we're saying on what you post.
	Let's grant all of those, okay?
	At what point is the cutoff for you to abort?
	Oh, I don't know.
	I'm not.
	I'm a poli sci-major.
	I'm not sure.
	So then it's a distinction with no merit.
	If you can't tell us when life.
	So then why did you say.
	But if you can't tell us when you're in the middle of the world, when the medical people say the heart, whatever is important, I don't know.
	The medical people don't tell you when life begins.
	They can't.
	It's an ontological question.
	There's something in the law that's been demarcated.
	Yeah, you know, when human life is agreed on for beginning by all scientists on planet Earth?
	Conception.
	Conception.
	By scientists?
	By all scientists.
	Please take a biology course.
	That's human life.
	There's no way around it.
	The moment of conception, when the sperm meets the egg, there's literally a flash of light that happens.
	Can we get a camera on that?
	Yeah, it's actually, it's been documented.
	Can I ask you a question?
	Yeah, sure.
	And what's your name, by the way?
	Renee.
	Renee, beautiful name.
	I'm sorry.
	It's a big pile on.
	I'm probably going to be moving on here in a second.
	I just want to say, first of all, I'm glad you're here.
	I have to say that because I really feel sad that you've said that just now.
	But my question was, you mentioned the financial aspect.
	Do you think if men took accountability for their actions with the women, both taking accountability for the child that they've created, that they've helped create, do you think that more women would feel the need to do this?
	Because you mentioned only a financial system.
	They don't have choice.
	They have to take accountability.
	Well, no, I'm just saying.
	I didn't mean financially was the only thing.
	I also think my parents were just both mentally unfit to have a child at all, which I don't want you guys to take that too seriously when I'm like, I wish I was aborted.
	That's obviously like a talking point.
	It's obviously a.
	Was it a talking point?
	Yeah, it was because then when I followed up with you, do you want to be alive right now?
	You're like, well, because I'm funny and people in this day and age don't want to live sometimes.
	I don't know.
	But what's it called?
	I mean, that's answer her question.
	Sounds kind of miserable.
	It's a joke.
	To answer her question.
	Sounds like Cope.
	I don't.
	I don't mean.
	My point that I was trying to make was that there are some circumstances where I just think the parents should not be parents at all.
	Like, it would just be worse for anything that was born, like, regardless.
	Like, I just think, like, maybe I don't mean like, I don't want to live at all, but like, I would have rather been born to a million other different parents.
	And I know that's impossible.
	And it's a lottery.
	Yeah, but whatever.
	But I don't understand why these are exclusive positions.
	So if you have horrible parents after the baby is born, and you know what happens?
	If there's horrible parents, it gets taken out and placed with another family.
	Same exact thing that she just suggested.
	Sometimes that.
	But here's the thing: you can't always, you can't put an always on it.
	It's like saying, well, we shouldn't outlaw a murder because there's always going to be some murders.
	Yeah, there are.
	There's nothing you can do to mitigate.
	100% everything.
	That's not relativism.
	It's the opposite of relativism.
	It's not even pragmatism.
	It's recognizing objective reality.
	That's sure.
	Even if you outlaw murder, there's still going to be murders.
	But these are not exclusive positions.
	I understand saying, well, you can have bad parents.
	Yeah, that's true.
	What does that have to do with aborting children?
	Maybe some parents know that they would be bad parents.
	They don't have to keep the child.
	Why would they adopt the foster care system is adoption is not the same as the foster care?
	Okay, maybe they don't.
	Why are people who are not prepared to take the consequences of their actions having sex to begin with?
	Because then you are blaming the child for the consequences of your actions.
	Like the miss over there said, that you're putting the full onus of the consequence on that unborn baby because you chose to be irresponsible.
	That is a reactionary response.
	And I would say that a man is just as dangerous as a woman who decides to abort the child.
	But it in no way would benefit you to even be with somebody, a man especially, who tells you, yeah, I want to kill my own child.
	That man can't be trusted to take care of you either.
	So in what way, for what reason, does it make sense to punish a child because you choose to be irresponsible in your own day-to-day life?
	And that man.
	That is the most feminine thing I could imagine.
	Maybe you're not punishing the child.
	You're saving the child.
	By murdering it.
	Yes.
	By the life it would have had if it was born.
	You're saving it from the life it would have had if it was born.
	How benevolent of you.
	Yes.
	That's why the benefit.
	Now, this is why the benevolent patriarchy must exist.
	Because if we left it to people like you, you say, you know, the most benevolent thing we could do is fucking kill you.
	That's literally your line of luck.
	If there were better welfare societal systems in place, maybe.
	How about responsible men for children?
	Oh, it's just that we don't have enough welfare.
	Which demographic would you thought, if you had to think about it, takes up a huge majority of welfare funds?
	Single mothers.
	Oh, I thought we just didn't have enough of a welfare system, but they're getting tons of cash from the welfare system.
	What the f are you talking about?
	Didn't the welfare system actually incentivize the degradation of the family?
	Especially in particular communities, yes.
	Yes.
	Grid one motorsports donated $200.
	I cannot think of anything less worthy of joking about pretending unborn life.
	We cannot choose our parents, but we can choose our path.
	Feminism has failed you.
	The patriarchy is here to help.
	I feel enlightened.
	Yo, grid one.
	Good to see you in the chat, man.
	Thank you very much.
	While we have that in, we do have a couple other chats.
	Let me just get through the chats and then we'll continue on with some of the convo here.
	So, grid one, thank you very much, man.
	Appreciate it.
	We have Pico B, love to see Andrew on.
	If on OF and want to move on, start developing other skills now.
	You can make millions later if you start now.
	Sex is the easiest way to do it, but it's not good long term.
	Okay, thank you, Pico.
	Appreciate it, man.
	True.
	We have Rose.
	Rose coming in.
	The blonde info wars is preaching Sky Daddy principles to the locusts from the pit, casting pearls to swine.
	I will restore the years the locusts have eaten.
	The Book of Joel is great.
	Do you have a quick response?
	I would say that Big Sass Energy redonated $200.
	Oh, Big Sass Energy.
	Any other girl in any other country would be so happy to be in this girl's shoes.
	The fact this girl thinks it preferable to be aborted shows the level of ungratefulness despite a difficult upbringing.
	I would say that.
	She don't worry.
	She's going to talk to a therapist.
	Hold on.
	Do you want to respond to that really quick?
	Yeah.
	Maybe I am a little ungrateful to my parents because they had me at a time.
	In general, I'd just say I'm ungrateful to my parents.
	They shouldn't have had me.
	But that doesn't mean I'm ungrateful of where I am.
	I still am very happy with my circumstances.
	Well, then they should have had you.
	Okay, yeah, I get what you mean.
	That makes no sense.
	It's a logical thing.
	I understand the argument that you're making.
	Okay, you ended up fine.
	Look at you.
	You're fine.
	You ended up great.
	You're happy.
	But the thing is that that didn't need to happen.
	That didn't, I didn't need to go through all the things that happened.
	What needs to happen?
	Like, I could have been happy, anyways, with like a normal set of circumstances.
	And that wasn't even like the same thing.
	If you're talking about need, though, think about what you're saying.
	If you're talking about need.
	Also, does it need to happen that you abort a child?
	That doesn't need to happen.
	So when you use an example of need, right?
	This is like some type of imperative.
	This does not need to happen.
	Nothing needs to happen.
	Right?
	Yeah.
	But the point, so the point, I don't even know how that's a point in your favor to say it didn't need to happen.
	So what?
	So what if it didn't need to happen?
	Okay, so aborting the kid doesn't need to happen.
	Maybe I can say that all of that rough shit made for better character development in my life.
	But like, fundamentally, wouldn't you agree that like if a couple is like about to have a child, you would probably tell them no.
	Okay, maybe you don't want the abortion to happen because that's just so evil.
	But you probably tell them no if they're in really shitty financial, emotional circumstances beforehand.
	That's going to be a good idea.
	That would be a lot of fun.
	I wouldn't say that's the eugenics.
	How is that taught?
	If you're saying people who are financially suitable should only be the ones to have children.
	So people in poverty should be changed.
	No, no, no, no.
	You can.
	I'm saying, I'm saying people should be able to have the choice if they know that they're going to be able to.
	Let me be as charitable as I can.
	Your arguments keep coming back to finances, and that's why I said at the end of the day, if men were accountable for their actions as well as the women, and they took accountability for their children and they protected and provided for the woman and child and you were able to continue to live your life unimpeded, then what would be your argument for abortion?
	Because the main thing that you continuously come back to is finances.
	So if the men were taking care of you and you were both responsible, then what's the issue?
	I have a question.
	I know you want to like.
	Hang on, hang on.
	One question at a time so she can respond though.
	Okay, go ahead.
	Go ahead.
	Well, you wanted to be charitable, right?
	Yeah, I was just, well, I was just saying, now I'm doing it.
	I was just saying to be as charitable to your view as possible, which is, I think that this is just your argument.
	If two people came to you and said we're thinking about having a child, but all sorts of rough shape financially.
	Big Sass Energy donated $200.
	You're more than fine.
	You live in the greatest country in the greatest time in the history of the world.
	Travel to other countries, get some goddamn perspective.
	I know, I'm chilling.
	I'm just saying.
	So anyway, you're just saying, would you advise them to, you know, maybe wait to have children?
	Yeah.
	Sometimes, but sometimes not.
	Like, what if we took their age into account?
	Like, okay, she's 33, he's 32.
	Then I wouldn't advise it.
	And be like, well, maybe things will be a little rough.
	But yeah, you probably should have them now if you're going to have them.
	But are you talking about 21, 22 years old?
	Sure, you might say, hey, guys, you could wait a couple of years till you have your feet under the ground a little bit better.
	Nobody's adverse to any of that.
	And it's not an argument in your favor for killing kids.
	Even if we grant the entire worldview, how in the world does it help you with your argument of taking out the kid?
	I don't know.
	You're not killing a kid.
	You're preventing it from being born.
	That's my view.
	So I know that's not y'all's view.
	So let me just make sure I get this right.
	Scott Peterson viciously murders his wife, kills an unborn baby, right?
	Goes to prison for double homicides.
	You let him off on the one homicide, right?
	He's an unborn baby.
	What?
	Oh, one homicide instead of double homicide?
	Yeah, sure.
	You would exempt him from the one homicide.
	So they're getting a life sentence anyway, yes.
	Okay, he's only, let's say he's only going to get 15 years.
	Okay, then I. What age do you think?
	I just want to make sure we're clearing up.
	I'm not going to finish homicide.
	It is in the law.
	Almost done.
	I just want to finish up.
	Okay, so 24 weeks.
	Yeah.
	Just want to be clear.
	Nine months pregnant, stabbed in the stomach.
	Okay, then that was double homicide.
	If it's past the legal thing is in it.
	No, I don't know the laws.
	What if it's eight?
	That's why.
	Don't muddy the water here for just a second.
	Let's say it's eight months.
	Let's say eight months.
	They say you can legally do it.
	Let's just say you can legally do it up to nine months.
	There's legislation in places for that.
	No.
	No?
	Well, then when?
	24 weeks.
	Okay, so 24 weeks.
	It's 24 weeks in a day, then it's a double homicide, but it's 23 weeks.
	Nope.
	Then he gets away with it.
	That's how it is with every law.
	Really?
	Or, yeah.
	Really?
	Okay, but the point that you just tried to make is how every law has to be interpreted strictly.
	Yes, it would be single homicide before and double homicide.
	All laws are interpreted on a case by case.
	But that aside, even assuming we were charitable to that, if you can't tell us when life even begins, how the fuck should we care about your opinion on abortion anyway?
	I just said 24 weeks.
	Because she told you that.
	But you couldn't tell us why it starts at 24 weeks.
	I didn't say that's when life began.
	You had to be in conception with the light explode.
	Why did I say that life began?
	This is why when you get too many heads in the cookie jar with one conversation, it becomes this.
	I'm just saying, if we look at it, you would say that that guy should get exempted from one of the murders if he kills unborn kid.
	I just want to hear you say it.
	This is such a, this hasn't, this is not helping your point at all.
	Well, then just go ahead and concede that.
	A woman should be able to end a child before 24 weeks if she's not ready.
	Yeah, why 24?
	To have a child.
	Because that's what the scientists say is about social media.
	The ones you just made up.
	You didn't know when life began.
	Which ones are they?
	Which ones are they?
	Two minutes ago.
	They didn't know anything about the scientific.
	You're scarecrowing.
	You're scarecrowing right now.
	Or now, what's the fallacy?
	It's the one where you're attacking the straw man.
	What's the straw man?
	You're attacking my character for not knowing the scientific start date of when I'm in the chat.
	No, no, no.
	I'm attacking your direct position that you said I don't know when this begins.
	Did you not say that?
	No, you're not.
	You're attacking the fact that I don't know.
	So, okay.
	You're trying to make me.
	You literally just said I do.
	Which is true.
	I don't.
	So then that's your position.
	How's that a straw man?
	What?
	No, I said 24.
	Now I'm saying 24 weeks.
	You were saying, why should we trust you when you don't know the actual scientific date?
	That's right.
	Based on 24 weeks, right?
	You say 24 weeks.
	Why does life begin at 24 weeks?
	I couldn't tell you.
	Yeah, so then what the fuck are you talking about?
	I'm strawmanning you.
	Okay, well, you have to do the research yourself.
	Sorry.
	If you took a biology class, don't they say that basically life starts at fertilization?
	No.
	And the last time I took a bio class was my sophomore year of high school.
	But that's not what the argument is.
	I do have to move things on.
	I do have to wait to link on.
	We've got a lot of chats to get through.
	So let me get through some of these chats.
	We can get back to it in a second.
	We have, let's see, here, let me pull up some of the supers.
	We have Omni Design Studio.
	Hey, thank you, man, for the super chat.
	Good men are still out there.
	They want to have families and protect their daughters.
	The hard part is for these young women to learn how to vet men Omni Design Studio.
	Thank you for the super chat.
	Yes, definitely.
	You gotta learn how to vet the dudes.
	And Sky VRC with the AED.
	Is this what currency is this?
	AED, that's like Dubai?
	I don't know, but there's 500 of them.
	AED, that's United Arab Emirates.
	Okay, so hey, big fan of Andrew.
	You're, I think there's an apostrophe missing there, maybe an E. You're a good guy.
	You're a good guy.
	You are a good guy.
	Yeah, I think that's what he's trying to say.
	You're at the super chat.
	You're a good guy.
	You're a good guy.
	You know what, Andrew?
	You have to take a screenshot of this and just you're a good guy.
	You're a good guy.
	Put it on your resume.
	Maybe you can sign it as your good friend.
	Maybe English is his second language.
	Yeah, you're a good friend.
	Yes, Sky, thank you for that.
	And thank you for the memberships earlier.
	Also, one quick thing.
	Kyle Kelsey, I don't know if you're watching.
	We missed one of your super chats last show.
	I don't know if you're watching.
	I'm very sorry that we missed one of your super chats.
	There's just way too many super chats coming in.
	If you're watching, please contact me on Instagram.
	I'll send me another message you want me to read in a future show or even tonight, potentially.
	But Kyle Kelsey, if you are.
	We were.
	Yeah, guys, go to twitch.tv/slash whatever.
	Drop us a follow, drop us a prime sub.
	If you have one, twitch.tv/slash whatever.
	If you're over there on Twitch, drop us a follow.
	If you're over on YouTube, pull up another tab, drop us a follow if you have one.
	Also, guys, YouTube, get our second channel to 1 million subscribers.
	We're like 2K away.
	Nick, could you go over to the other tab?
	See where we're at here?
	You're going to have to move us.
	You're going to have to move us.
	Guys, we're so close.
	What, 1.5K away from 1 million subscribers on our clips channel?
	Guys, get us to 1 million.
	Thank you.
	Crucible, make it happen.
	The Crucible crew, make that shit happen.
	Is your wife, Rachel?
	Is she doing like a simulcast?
	Okay, cool.
	A watch party or whatever?
	Yeah, watch party.
	Sweet, sweet, sweet.
	Yo, shout out, Rachel.
	And we need to get her on the show, by the way.
	She's coming.
	Okay.
	We'll get it.
	We'll get it done.
	I think one thing that would have been helpful perhaps a bit earlier on, we briefly touched on feminism and then it quickly descended into an abortion conversation.
	Just going around the table, who is a feminist?
	Do you consider yourself a feminist?
	Oh.
	I'm a black feminist.
	What?
	Like rape?
	Like you're no, it's an ideology.
	What is the ideology of black feminism?
	I've never heard that.
	You knew it.
	Black feminism.
	Should you be talking about it if you don't know what it is?
	I didn't.
	Do some research.
	Did I do some research?
	Yeah, find out, bro.
	Super, super weird, me asking you the question: what is feminist?
	I bet you read about some black feminists from some black feminists themselves.
	Wait, then I'm.
	So I follow the political ideology of white.
	Like Angela Davis.
	I follow the ideology of white patriarch.
	Can you tell me?
	Black feminism is white patriarchs.
	We learn it in my political science classes.
	I'm not black, but it's in the middle of the.
	Wait, you're not?
	Oh, my boy.
	Bro, I got this.
	Well, she could identify me.
	She's a moral relativist, right?
	Do you identify as black?
	No, I identify as my present biological race.
	Thank you.
	Are you like how?
	You don't think race is a social construction?
	That's why FY Definition?
	Yes.
	But in any case, asking you a question about what thing is would be the opposite of me speaking knowledgeable.
	What do you mean by black feminists?
	It's like intersectional feminism.
	So, usually, when you say feminism, it's distracted, detracted from questions of race and class.
	So, it's just including questions of class.
	Okay, yeah, sure.
	Yeah.
	Wouldn't you say that's more in line with fourth-wave feminism now that we've gotten to intersectionalism with feminism?
	I would still go with the definition that I know just because that's what I'm familiar with, and I don't want to classify myself as something that I'm not.
	So, that we're not speaking past each other, though.
	But when I say feminism with the egalitarian belief, at intersectionalism, that's what I consider fourth wave.
	We're not speaking past each other.
	We're talking about the same thing.
	Okay, yes.
	Okay.
	Basically.
	All right.
	What about you?
	I'm not very political, to be so honest.
	Oh, your hair color.
	I read you wrong, I guess.
	Yeah, I honestly, like, I don't want to add words to something I can only speak on.
	You know what I mean?
	So, you're, are you apolitical?
	I guess so.
	Like, I don't really.
	I know, like, obviously, I should educate myself, and obviously, I'm not.
	Who are you voting for in this upcoming election?
	I probably haven't looked into it at all.
	Well, you have, it seems like it's going to be Trump, and then you have Joe Biden.
	You leaning?
	I haven't done any research or haven't done any research?
	No.
	Like, not at all.
	Like, and I, and I know.
	Do you know who the president is right now?
	Yeah, obviously, I'm not like.
	Who is it?
	It's Joe Biden.
	I know that.
	I just wanted to make sure that.
	Like, obviously, I'm aware of change.
	Do you know what the vice president's name is?
	Kamala Harris.
	Obviously, I know of things, but do I do my own personal research?
	No, I have not.
	So, do I know who I'm going to vote for?
	Because I, no, I just haven't done any research.
	So, I'm not going to go and say, oh, I want to vote for this person when I don't know anything about them.
	Yeah, that's reasonable.
	You know?
	And obviously, I do have to educate myself as an assistant.
	Are you going to vote?
	I'm not sure.
	Well, okay.
	Let's assume you are.
	Let's just say, let's make a deal.
	You do no research, but you promise me you won't vote.
	Deal?
	Like, okay.
	Yes.
	We got yes.
	Awesome.
	I don't know.
	You're worried about a researcher.
	Are you leaning in any direction?
	I just said I have not.
	I kind of feel like you're like a full-blown, like, MAGA Trumpster.
	You just seem, I get that vibe from you.
	Like.
	Are there issues you care about?
	Like, were you there for January 6th?
	I kind of get that vibe.
	No, honestly not.
	You weren't there?
	Like, you didn't catch a felony or anything like that?
	No, nothing.
	You didn't catch a felony?
	Nope.
	It was just that feminine.
	I could have sworn I saw you.
	You weren't storming a certain building.
	Did you storm?
	Did you storm the Capitol?
	You stormed the Capitol, didn't you?
	It is not crazy.
	All right.
	All right.
	Where do you start it, Brian?
	What are you doing?
	I don't know.
	I don't know.
	So you're kind of unsure if you consider yourself a feminist.
	Yeah, I mean, obviously, just like how you said, like, it's equality for everybody, but then at the same time, do you want to be drafted as a woman?
	You know what I mean?
	So.
	What if you didn't?
	Like, what if feminism was, you don't have to be drafted?
	Well, that's what I'm saying.
	Isn't that what it is?
	No, I mean, at the end of the day, okay, then yes, I would say that I am a feminist.
	And if I did have to get drafted, then okay, because that's for the equality of it all.
	Based.
	Nah, bro.
	Do you consider yourself?
	Do you consider yourself a feminist?
	No, I'm a Christian.
	I'm not a feminist.
	Can Christians be feminist?
	Only because the Christian ethic requires patriarchy.
	Yeah, it is a patriarchal religion, period.
	There's no ifs, ands, or buts about it.
	Everything from the union between a man and a woman is patriarchal.
	Everything from the church structure down is patriarchal.
	Women are not allowed to be pastors, not allowed to be priests, are not allowed to be clergy.
	It is a patriarchal structure, like you're not.
	Probably why our friend here fell off of it.
	But it is a patriarchal structure.
	Is there a denomination that well that's actually not true, what you just said?
	There are women pastors.
	I've met them.
	Yeah, but they don't follow the legal belief.
	No, that's that's that not only is that the Protestant Bible.
	When it's actually not, and that's okay if that's your belief.
	And I might agree with that belief, but what you're saying is not factually true.
	It is factually true.
	What I said was that if you are a female pastor, female clergy, all female clergy are phony, baloney.
	I think that's about the doctrine as opposed to like what's actually happening.
	It has to be, it has to be that way.
	We can go back to the earliest church history and we can make the determination of what was determined to be clergy.
	In very isolated cases, women were called in to do things like baptism and they may have become deaconesses or things like this, but it was for a very, very limited perspective from the church's perspective.
	And it was mostly to do with, hey, we don't want to see girls naked.
	That's inappropriate.
	So we have women do the baptism.
	But they weren't allowed to do that.
	That's not factually true.
	It's not factual.
	You should have said there are women pastors, but I don't believe what they say.
	What I said was, no, this is factually accurate.
	No, that would have been a good thing.
	If you're a fake Christian, if you are a female clergy in a Christian church, you're a fake Christian.
	That's factually accurate.
	That's what I said.
	See, that's your belief.
	No, that's the truth.
	That's what is factual.
	Well, is there a reason why you think that women are not capable of?
	Yeah, because we have 2,000 years of church history, and we know what the saints said.
	And we know not only what the saints said, we know what the apostles said.
	And we know not only what the apostles said, but we can literally judge this all the way down to when Heresy Church started under Luther.
	And even Luther knew.
	I know what the scientists said, but I didn't know why.
	Do you know why they said that?
	Yeah.
	Why?
	Because the patriarchal structure, which was laid down by Jesus Christ to his apostles to go and start the church, they were all headed by men.
	That was part of the gospel.
	That's why.
	Hang on, was there anything else that you had there?
	Any whys?
	Yeah, because you just named another precedent as your reason why.
	Is there any reason why in the fundamental mentality of the man versus a woman?
	Yes.
	Just know that this is his own secular belief.
	That's what I'm asking him.
	Yeah.
	No, no, I guess not more secular.
	Sorry, this is his own individual version of Christianity.
	It's not every version.
	No, no, it's not every version of Christianity.
	Yeah, the fake ones.
	Okay, if I can point out all these female pastors, then I can say it's not your version, but it's not every version of Christianity.
	So know that there are Christian religions that have female pastors.
	If he does ascribe to that, right?
	And guess what?
	The Messes say the others are not, and these say those aren't, and, you know, the Catholics say the other ones aren't Christians, and everyone does that in Christianity.
	So there's a lot of Christianity.
	Just problems.
	Let's not get into all the nuances of individual Christianity.
	Do you consider yourself a feminist?
	I would say no.
	No.
	Ish.
	Wait, no-ish.
	What do you mean?
	Well, I do believe that, you know, women should be offered the choice, you know, when human beings, but living under score donated $200.
	I'm fighting the inner sympism from the black girl.
	She's great.
	To the girl across from Brian, thanks for coming.
	Would be boring without you.
	It's not up to bad life.
	The no-life, I agree.
	Black feminists?
	The black feminists?
	The black feminists.
	To the black feminist?
	I do have to read one that's about to fall off before we continue.
	Did you want to respond to this really quick?
	I guess you can just can you read this for us?
	Oh, wow.
	I don't know if I want to read this.
	Starting from across Brian, ratings out of 10, 9, 3, 12, 0, 5, 4, 5, 6.5, and Andrew's obviously the peak male physique.
	100 out of 10.
	This is what peak, what is it, that fucking thing, peak male performance looks like?
	That's right.
	Yo, thank you, Living.
	Appreciate it, man.
	Okay.
	Dad bots are back in style out of here.
	I guess.
	Wait, so you were saying ish, not a feminist-ish.
	What do you mean?
	Well, I do believe that women should be offered the choice.
	You know, free will in that essence.
	Do I agree with new way feminism?
	Not at all.
	I have my views, and I feel like people should be able to have their views as well and to have their preferences.
	And I also think that when women are able to have the option to stay home and it's not necessarily forced, it's so much more appreciated.
	But also, I do want to go back in time and talk to some of the women who are like, oh, I hate having to just sit at home and take care of kids and animals all day.
	I want to go out into the workforce and I want to post major university.
	There's actually very few of them, just so you know.
	When it comes to feminism, the anti-suffragettes far outnumbered the suffragettes.
	Far and away outnumbered them.
	So I guess the real question is: why do you think the men voted it in?
	Because the men were the ones that voted it in.
	Because they had people like Rockefeller who were doing this mass funding behind the scenes, and there was occult roots that go all the way back to the early, basically Protestantism brought you feminism.
	But how do you think they convinced the general male population that was in the workhouse?
	That's your view?
	Yeah.
	Oh, wow.
	I think women should be able to vote, but I'm not a feminist.
	Why do you think they should be able to vote?
	Why shouldn't I be able to vote?
	Well, that's not my question.
	That's answering my question with a question.
	No, but well, that is not the pay taxes.
	I think I should.
	Wait, wait, wait.
	We didn't have to be able to do that.
	Let's start.
	So let's start over.
	Should I pay taxes?
	Hang on, let's start over.
	Should I pay taxes?
	Your position is you should be able to vote.
	Yes, absolutely.
	Okay, why should you be able to vote?
	Because I'm an American citizen and I pay taxes.
	Okay, so let's assume for a second, as you know, most people in America do not pay taxes.
	Do you think they should be able to vote?
	Well, if you, the problem with your reasoning is we have a law that says you can't have taxation without representation.
	Yeah, so therefore the law doesn't say if you're a tax-paying American, and that's why they debate this in D.C. all the time.
	That's insane.
	D.C. residents are paying taxes and they don't have proper representation.
	First of all, this is a goalpost move.
	I'm not going to let you get away with it.
	We're going to move right back.
	And then I'm going to address that second point after we move right back and destroy your first point.
	The first point.
	There are people.
	Yes, I will.
	Watch.
	The first point is there are people right now who pay no taxes, right?
	What about?
	Should they be able to vote?
	Probably not.
	Okay, so you would agree that those people...
	They should still be able to vote.
	Not arguing with you yet.
	Let's do split.
	So then as we look at this, then we should be able to see that you want for at least some people to not be able to vote, right?
	Well, I'm saying that Americans have the right to vote.
	That's what it is.
	Okay, so then should, I'm asking you an ought, not an is.
	I'm not asking you what is true.
	I'm asking you what ought to be true.
	Let me ask you a question.
	You can ask me a question.
	You have to answer my question.
	Wait, we pay taxes.
	We missed.
	We missed emails.
	We don't pay taxes.
	We shouldn't be able to vote.
	Are we that emotional?
	Wait, should we even pay taxes?
	Calm down.
	Relax.
	You calm down.
	One step, one step at a time.
	Yeah, telling you to calm down is me being emotional.
	Yeah, you are.
	You seem to be getting a little frustrated.
	I don't know.
	You seem to be kind of a dumbass.
	You want to answer my question.
	So an ought from an issue.
	Do you know what an ought and an is?
	Is claim is true, ought, should happen.
	Should everybody be able to vote?
	No.
	Who's everybody?
	Should Americans be able to vote?
	I don't think illegal immigrants should be able to vote.
	Don't be pedantic.
	Should all Americans be able to vote?
	Are all Americans required to pay taxes?
	Yes.
	Yes, yes.
	But do all Americans pay taxes.
	And guess what happens to those who aren't paying taxes?
	They get in trouble with the IRC.
	No, they don't.
	Most people don't pay anything into the tax system.
	They're not a net positive tax system.
	Well, if they're not making an income, then they don't have to do that.
	No, if they're not making an income, they don't have to file.
	No.
	And therefore, there are people who make back from the government on an earned income child credit that they pay into the government.
	Should those people be able to vote?
	You're still not convincing me why women.
	I'm not trying to convince you.
	I'm asking you a question.
	Should those people be able to vote?
	But should American citizens be able to vote?
	Yes.
	Well, then your argument that just because they pay taxes doesn't make any sense.
	Well, I'm saying that's one of the reasons why.
	Let me finish and then I'll let you finish taxes.
	Let me finish the promise.
	We have a law that says you have to have your original argument of, hey, wait a second, people who pay taxes, because they pay taxes, they should be able to vote.
	But we've just established many Americans do not pay taxes and you still think they ought to vote.
	So your first argument's moot.
	Now let's move to the second argument.
	No, it's not mute.
	Then explain it to me again.
	I have a question.
	Explain to me why women should be able to vote.
	I still haven't heard you explain anything.
	Okay, I'll get it.
	I'll get to it.
	I promise you, I'll answer your question.
	Because we have a law in the United States that says we have to have laws are changeable.
	No taxation without representation.
	Are women just as a vote?
	Can we move past that point?
	I just want to know why he thinks men should be able to do that.
	What law says that because you should have representation, everybody should be able to vote.
	If you cannot vote, you do not have representation.
	Okay.
	Voting illegal matter in D.C. Most people in American history could not have.
	They have representation and they're paying taxes.
	So therefore, it's in violation of men and women.
	First of all, voting rights are affirmed in the negative.
	You know this, right?
	They're affirmed in the negative.
	There is no right to vote because you have no right to vote.
	They're negative rights.
	That's negative rights.
	Negative rights, not positive rights.
	Meaning you don't have to do any of these things and they're only affirmed in the negative.
	Yeah, you don't have to vote.
	States themselves used to always be who had jurisdiction over this.
	Now, when it came to voting itself, and when it comes to voting, even right this second, all the laws say is that if there is a vote, you can't be barred based on X, Y, and Z. Not that there even has to be a vote.
	I think you're actually avoiding explaining why women shouldn't be able to vote.
	So you tell me why should women not be able to vote?
	Before, okay, so I'm going to answer, but I want to promise from you that we're going to go right back to this so that I can, because I'm not going to let you weasel out of it.
	I didn't weaselize it by incessantly.
	I answered your question without answering any.
	And you're asking the same question, Repetitive.
	I have already shown a flaw in your logic.
	There's no flaw in the logic.
	I'll explain the flaw again.
	The flaw is: if your argument is people who pay taxes should be able to vote, we've already established there's multiple people who don't pay taxes.
	So why ought they be able to vote?
	Your answer is duh.
	That's not my answer.
	Then what's your answer?
	I said that Americans are supposed to be able to vote.
	They're supposed to have representation.
	There are taxes.
	Based on law, right?
	Are there women that pay taxes?
	We're talking about an ought.
	We're talking about an ought not to be a vote.
	Are there women that pay taxes?
	Yes, of course.
	So they should, you're saying they should not be able to vote.
	My argument is not that taxpayers should be able to vote.
	That's your argument.
	Okay.
	I'm saying women should be able to vote.
	I know, and I'm asking you why.
	I'm saying women have a right to vote because we're American citizens.
	We're taxed.
	That is true.
	Property owners, we have a stake in the interests of the country.
	Should only property owners have representation.
	Okay, so should only property vote or property owners be able to vote?
	Everyone should be able to vote.
	What if we say that?
	It's a human right to be able to vote.
	And why cannot women have a problem?
	Stop arguing with her and just tell us why you don't hang with all that.
	I'm going to finish my argument over here.
	So, anyway, we have to distinguish an odd from an is.
	You keep on saying it is true.
	You're the one who initially came out and said you think women should not be allowed to vote.
	And you still haven't even made a sound argument.
	Because you gave me your reasoning first.
	So I'm just going through your line of reasoning.
	We spoke about one thing.
	I have many reasons why I believe this, and you're honing.
	Now, I will give you my reasoning, and we can see if there's any flaw in my argumentation.
	Men are the enforcers of rights.
	And because they're the enforcers of rights, they deserve to have all the privileges that come with enforcement.
	Women are not the enforcement of rights, including for other women.
	Only men can enforce the rights of women.
	Therefore, only men should be able to have the stake and the claim to vote.
	Period.
	How can only men enforce the rights of the rights?
	Ah, well, I'm glad that you asked.
	You have rights, right?
	Yes, I do.
	Okay, what is a right?
	A right is something that basically we've defined out through a Bill of Rights or a Constitution.
	Something the government can't, something the government can't do to you.
	It's an entitlement absent a duty.
	Right.
	Is that a right?
	Well, what do you mean by absent a duty?
	There's no duty with your rights.
	We have God-given inherent rights in America.
	Okay.
	And that's where we enshrine our rights from is the rights that God gave us.
	So God gave you the right to own a gun?
	He gave us the right to self-defense.
	Did he give you a right to own a gun?
	He gave us the right to self-defense.
	Yeah, I know.
	That's not my question.
	Why do you keep on not answering my question?
	did he give you a right to own a gun or is that okay he did So that was not your right to own a gun is not something which can be taken away from you.
	Here's the other thing.
	You say only men can be enforcers of law.
	Women can actually have to stay laws, I see.
	And they can enforce rights.
	They can protect rights with guns as well, because guns are equalizers.
	So let me explain this the best way.
	Let me explain this the best way I possibly can.
	They give children guns in some countries.
	Let me explain this the best way that I possibly can.
	Okay, so women can also.
	You're just prattling.
	You're just prattling.
	It's not prattling.
	I thought you wanted the explanation.
	Do you want me to give it to you or not?
	Guns' rights or women's rights.
	I'll give you the explanation instead of your incessant prattle.
	So here's the actual explanation: Men are the enforcers of rights.
	Rights don't exist.
	They don't exist.
	You can't taste them.
	You can't touch them.
	You can't see them.
	They're a social construction.
	No, men did not create the rights.
	God did.
	Okay, he did.
	What rights did God give you?
	God gave me the right to exist.
	He gave me free will.
	You have a right to exist?
	Yeah.
	Oh, really?
	So you couldn't just wink out of existence tomorrow?
	God created me.
	What does that have to do with a right?
	I have the right to free will.
	You have a right to literally nothing except what other people allow you to have.
	All of your rights can be approved.
	That's what it literally says in our Constitution.
	I know what it says, but that doesn't mean it's true.
	Oh, so you don't believe in the Constitution?
	I don't believe that rights are real.
	Okay, so you don't believe in the Constitution?
	I don't believe that rights.
	Then go to a different country.
	I didn't say.
	What does that have to do with anything?
	Even if I said, okay, I'll go to another country.
	Now rights are suddenly real.
	That makes sense.
	So we are even talking about rights.
	Because that's the core of what we're talking about, the right to vote.
	Last I checked, right?
	You don't even care about rights because you don't believe in the Constitution.
	I don't believe in rights.
	Can I ask you a question?
	I believe the Constitution is real.
	But that doesn't mean I believe that rights are not a social construction.
	Our rights is social construction.
	How do you think the Constitution is real?
	You keep asking me questions, even though I've answered all of them.
	Are you going to answer one of mine?
	Are rights a social construction?
	I believe in the Constitution.
	I know.
	I believe.
	Humans have the rights.
	Oh, I believe.
	Are they real or not?
	They're not real.
	Rights.
	Or are they a social construct?
	No, I think our rights are God-given.
	What right is God given them?
	Can I explain something to you in your old question?
	Really quick, really quick.
	Let me explain something to you.
	Okay, explain it.
	Where did the monarchs used to derive their right from?
	Oh, well, they're right to rule.
	Monarchs were sovereigns, and they believed that they had the direct lineage from King David, and therefore they had been given the right of God to rule over their people.
	Oh, monarchy.
	Yes, because they believed they had been given the right from God to rule over the people.
	And how did they enforce that right?
	Hold on, don't interrupt.
	When we had the Declaration of Independence, right, we had 1776.
	That was a group of American founding fathers coming together and recognizing that they, in fact, were all given God-given rights.
	And it wasn't just the sovereign, that we were all sovereigns.
	This is all.
	And then we were all given God.
	It's all John Locke nonsense.
	Listen.
	It's not John Locke.
	Don't back it off.
	Well, back it up.
	Yes, it is.
	The American principles.
	The Enlightenment principles.
	The Enlightenment principles are what founded this.
	Okay.
	Well, no, it didn't.
	But anyway, the Enlightenment principles that you're talking about right now, they still acknowledge that rights are social constructs.
	They have to be.
	They're not.
	When you talk about that ideology, your rights can be stripped on you, which is how you know the ideology I'm talking about is true.
	If you can convince them.
	They can't be real if they can be taken from you.
	You have a right to have it.
	How is this not moral relative?
	What do you mean?
	Moral relativism.
	If you can convince people that they don't have any rights and it's all a social construct, you can strip them from those.
	You can convince them that they don't have to do that.
	If people know that they have God-given rights and that their rights come from God, then they can act as though they're real and then they can enforce that.
	They are real.
	God did not give us a right to vote, unfortunately.
	Our rights are real.
	They're socially constructed.
	Can you, okay, point to me, point out a right for me?
	So how do you call it?
	Is there a right over there?
	What about over there?
	Is there a right down there?
	Is there a right?
	I don't see any right.
	Where are they?
	Do you not believe in the authority of God?
	Yes, of course.
	God is an existent objective.
	Okay, so what did God tell Israel?
	About which thing?
	Okay, did he not give him authority?
	Did he not give the line of David authority?
	Can he not give his children to enforce the authority of kings, kings?
	Okay, so priests apparently are given rights from being, correct?
	Yes, and they enforce their authority as well.
	Okay, so how's that not a social construct?
	Because these are objectively given from a being.
	The construction of your third, fourth, fifth, sixth, seventh, eighth, ninth, tenth, twelfth amendments, all of them are social constructs.
	They don't exist in tangible reality.
	If they do, point one out.
	Show me.
	Show me your right to vote.
	Where is it?
	Absent your mind.
	Show it to me.
	The one for quartering.
	You can say that with anything.
	Well, you can say about anything that is a social construct.
	It's not about the spirit.
	So, of course, you're not going to be able to have something physical when we're talking about the spiritual.
	That's Blonde is making a really good argument as to why women shouldn't.
	No, shit.
	But anyway, back to this.
	Can I ask a question?
	Back to this.
	Hang on.
	Hang on.
	Let us finish the argument.
	We're almost done.
	I know.
	I shouldn't say that.
	No, you guys have to.
	You show me.
	Absent the mind.
	They don't think that the Constitution is a very important thing.
	Rights aren't a social construct.
	Can you point to one outside your mind?
	Can you point to a right outside your mind?
	Don't ask me a question.
	Answer my question.
	Can you point to a right outside your mind?
	That's another question.
	Can you physically define consciousness?
	Stop asking the question, answer it.
	No, because you're not conscious.
	Because you can't.
	You can't answer the solution.
	No, because you're not imbecile.
	Where is a right absent your brain?
	Where is it?
	Okay, define the consciousness.
	Why can women not vote?
	They're not the funny thing here.
	I want to know that.
	No, the funny thing here is this is what's debated.
	When scientists are talking about AI, they're debating consciousness.
	And there are so many philosophers and people that debate consciousness all the time.
	So you're asking me to define the spiritual and consciousness and put it into a physical state, which you know is impossible.
	So you're going with a false argument.
	Consciousness or rights?
	To try to prove a point that you're not even touching.
	Consciousness or rights?
	Being conscious means that you have rights.
	Your spirit and your soul.
	Do people in Somalia who are conscious have rights?
	Where are rights?
	Absent your mind.
	Why can't women vote?
	Why can't women vote?
	Where is your right to vote absent your mind?
	Where is your argument?
	Stop asking me a question and answer one.
	Where is your argument absent your body?
	I'll tell you what.
	I'll answer any fucking question you want after you answer this one.
	Where is your argument outside of your subconscious?
	Okay, all of my arguments are based in the epistemological.
	The epistemology and the ontology that I have come directly from God and divine command.
	Really?
	This answers, yes, and you're subconscious.
	And I said I believe my rights are God-given.
	That's correct.
	So why are you?
	That's what we're talking about.
	Now, I just answered your question.
	Now answer mine.
	Where is this right to vote absent your brain?
	Where is your argument?
	You won't answer it no matter what.
	Wait, can you answer his question, though?
	No, she can't.
	She knows.
	She already knows.
	Where's your right to vote absent your brain?
	I've been saying this whole time, my rights are God-given.
	Your right to vote comes from God?
	Yes, it does.
	My right does come in.
	Andrew's got to go to the bottom.
	My rights have an obey.
	My right to vote comes from God.
	That's right.
	Your substantial rights are what you should focus on.
	Yeah, go have a smoke.
	You can't define consciousness in a physical state.
	He hasn't answered why he thinks women know.
	He hasn't.
	The whole thing has been coming back.
	No, the whole thing he's been doing here has been because he can't actually answer why he thinks that women should be.
	He's gone.
	He can't respond.
	So let's let me get $200.
	What do you think?
	The Constitution is a commercial charter which expired.
	The right to vote is a civil right franchisees doing bankrupt corporations.
	Your substantial rights are what you should focus on.
	Okay.
	Distinction.
	Rose, appreciate it.
	Thank you very much.
	Also, just want to make one thing clear.
	You know, we're having some debates here.
	The views expressed by the panelists do not necessarily reflect the views of the whatever podcast.
	Me specifically, I'm okay.
	Cool, vote.
	Women should vote.
	I'm fine with it.
	Not trying to get canceled.
	Women should vote.
	He has his own thoughts on that.
	Please don't cancel me.
	The censors.
	But good talk.
	Good talk.
	Oh, thank you for the 10 gifted memberships.
	And I'm trying to think.
	Oh, we were going around the table on who is a feminist, who's a feminist.
	I think.
	Oh, it's my turn.
	Your turn.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Well, I just want to say, like, I don't understand where his rights were coming from if he doesn't believe in the Constitution as American.
	But anyway, I am not a feminist.
	I am absolutely not a feminist.
	Like I said, though, I do think that women should have the right to vote in America.
	Wasn't that propagated by the feminists?
	No.
	I think women should have the right.
	Look, who's propagating that?
	Hold on.
	Let's stick to the question.
	I'm a reformed feminist.
	Reformed feminists.
	So no longer feminist.
	Correct.
	Okay, what about you?
	I would consider myself a feminist in the sense that women should be given the right to take on certain masculine roles, but I think that it's in our best interest to stay within those boundaries, I guess.
	Okay.
	So, oh, he's coming back.
	Okay.
	Madison, are you a feminist?
	No.
	Okay.
	Wait, so can you explain your position a little in more detail?
	Like, I think that, yeah, women should be able to vote.
	Into the mic, please.
	Yeah, I think that women should be able to vote and, you know, go to school and take on more masculine roles.
	More masculine roles.
	As was said.
	But I think that those gender roles are innate, and I think that both genders benefit from them.
	What do you mean?
	Like women, like a men into the mic.
	A more traditional like household and just gender roles in general, I guess.
	So, on a societal level, you want equality, but when it comes to the relationship, the intersexual dynamics between men and women, you want traditional order.
	Is that my understanding?
	Okay.
	So, would you, since you mentioned you're fine with on a societal level, equality between men and women, I assume then you're also in favor of women being subject to military conscription?
	I'm not opposed to it.
	So, you're in, well, I mean, that would equality would demand it.
	Equality would demand that women are subject to military conscription.
	Then, yes.
	Okay, so you're in favor of it.
	Sure.
	Okay.
	Okay, just checking.
	Just checking on the roles.
	Andrew's back from his smoke break.
	How was the smokes?
	It was great.
	Smokes were good.
	Let me read it.
	I actually don't think women should be forced to conscript.
	Well, see, that's right.
	I don't think they should be drafted either.
	Yeah, because they have that right from God to not be drafted.
	Because we're women, right?
	You're right.
	Think of it from a logical standpoint, okay?
	Let's think of the logic here.
	Women, okay, women are who are going to birth the future generations to keep your nation going stronger, correct?
	So if you send a bunch of your women out to war to die, you are going to severely impact your population numbers in your nation because you could have fewer men essentially and more women and you can still balance your population.
	Let me come in really quick.
	Well, okay.
	It's a big hole in this line of argument.
	Okay, so that's one argument.
	The other argument is that because women are physically not as strong, because women menstruate, because women have carried pregnancies, I think that those are reasons why I don't think that it would be beneficial to have them in military service.
	I think it's probably going to be more of a burden on the military than it would actually be.
	Well, to argument one, you actually would still create a gaps argument with this as well.
	Even if you sent men off, you would end up with less men, which means that unless you suddenly become a Christian polygamist, you're still going to have less men than are required to impregnate the women.
	And I'm guessing you want one woman per one man.
	So even sending men off to die, you're still going to have this problem, right?
	Well, technically not.
	Technically not what?
	Well, like, like if you were to think of, I'm not necessarily advocating for this, but if you had a situation where you had a severely declined population in a nation and you had to increase the numbers, you could increase the numbers via, like, in vitro fertilization, you could, you could do other types of, and there were people who used to do.
	In vitro fertilization.
	What did God not buy for that?
	So first of all, I didn't even believe in vitro.
	In vitro fertilization is highly expensive.
	If you look at Israel, Israel has a massive IVF program.
	It costs their state millions upon millions upon millions, mostly our dollars yearly.
	And it's not very effective.
	But the only thing I think is almost done.
	It's only raised it slightly.
	You still would end up with this gaps argument.
	If you're a Christian, you believe one man for one woman, you would still be decreasing the population of men, which means that unless you switch over to polygamy, the argument actually turns on you.
	If women out there were dying at the same ratio that men were, right, then you would have exactly the amount of men and women that you would need to repopulate, right?
	But then, well, not necessarily.
	I mean, you could technically.
	Oh, I don't know.
	I know math.
	If you could do that.
	I'm math in it in my brain, right?
	If you had a dying population on an island, okay, and you had 10 women and 10 men, if you were to try to send your people off to go, you know, fight another group of people, you would be smart to preserve as many women as you could because you'd be able to create, you know, duplicate your numbers.
	As long as you had a couple men, you could duplicate the population.
	Yes, but then you would be endorsing polygamy, right?
	Right, and there were times when people some Christians, I guess.
	Oh, so are they the same ones that have female pastors?
	Well, no, it's actually Christian.
	No, it's actually a facto that there were Christian groups that resorted to polygamy to boost their numbers.
	Yes, and it's immoral, though, from the Christian ethic, right?
	And I'm not sure if you do agree with that.
	We're talking about, we're putting on our logical nation hat right now as far as what a nation should do for a military.
	I'm not talking about it from necessarily a Christian standpoint.
	But that was your argument.
	But the other, no, that's not what I said.
	Now, here's the other thing.
	There's another argument here for it, which is women should have their own sports, right?
	Because if men compete in women's sports, we all know that the men are going to win because they're stronger, they're faster.
	The way they're built anatomically, they are, you know, they're stronger, they're faster.
	So there's no real point to putting a female in a combat situation with men when we know the women's most important.
	Like they're all just in support roles.
	Well, support roles is another thing.
	So they should be drafted for support roles.
	Well, if it were just something like support roles, as in being a nurse or something like phone communication lines, most of the time.
	And I would say military, not combat roles.
	Well, if it's non-combat roles, I would say that then I would agree that women could be conscripted.
	But I would say that if they're not aware of the people who are in the world, earlier you said it goes against God's ontological nature that he made women with.
	Yes, you're not.
	I didn't say God.
	You did.
	You said their nature, their nature for the draft is part of.
	Yes, you should be.
	No, I said because women menstruate, because women carry pregnancies, because women's bodies are weaker.
	I was talking about that being why women shouldn't be in the military.
	And I think that it would be more of a burden to have them in.
	And you're saying, you're pointing out that, okay, well, maybe we have them in non-combat roles.
	And I would say, well, if they were limited to having the women in non-combat roles, then I would say, okay, but we clearly see that that's not the case.
	We see that there are women who are being forced to be in combat roles.
	But if they limited it to only non-combat roles, then I would say, okay, that might be something that I could be in agreeance with as long as the women are not mothers that have to tend to children.
	Okay, so backing up on the basis of argument one, which is, well, if we send the men off to war and a bunch of them die, we can just do polygamy.
	Yeah, I mean, I guess, but that would be against your Christian ethic.
	I'm not necessarily saying that that's.
	I get it.
	So that one's rejected, right?
	Obviously, you don't believe that shit, right?
	That would be bad.
	What I'm saying is if you had a society that the population was seriously hurt because look, what happened in World War II?
	You had hundreds, millions, hundreds of millions of people being killed.
	And they solved that with age gap relationships.
	Right.
	And how much harder would it have been to recuperate our population numbers if we had sent if half of those were women?
	It probably would have taken a lot longer to recuperate our population.
	You would have exactly the amount of men to women, though.
	That's why it makes no sense, right?
	The argument falls back on you either way.
	So either A, women and men go out and they have roughly the same losses.
	So there's just as many men as there are women, or B, men go out and a bunch of them die, and now you have less men than are necessary for polygamous relationship with women.
	You can't have your cake and eat it too here.
	Well, here's the thing.
	If women, if you're talking about having the women in non-combat roles anyway, then the women aren't going to be being put in the position of dying.
	Yeah, but that's talking about that originally.
	Yeah, and that's what I'm saying.
	One of my arguments is population numbers.
	But what I'm saying is if your argument was, okay, well, what if the women are in the non-combat roles?
	Right.
	Well, therefore, it wouldn't be affecting population numbers because the women are not going to be in direct combat.
	They're not going to be in combat.
	Their lives are not likely to be being taken from them.
	So at that point, it's less likely to run into the very problem that I was talking about.
	Now, let's move into non-combat roles.
	Wouldn't it still be effective even in the non-combat roles to have men serve in those roles than women since a lot of them require a lot of physical labor?
	Well, I think that I think that it's possible for some women to be able to fulfill that role.
	But I think that the outliers, right?
	Like the six-foot-tall, big girls that can do that.
	Yeah, all 26 of them.
	You know, right.
	But I think that as a whole, most women are not going to be suited for military service at all, right?
	Well, I would say if they can't defend the nation, then they can't.
	I'm not saying military service at all.
	I agreed with that.
	If they can't defend our nation as a whole, and you're depending on men then to defend your nation for you and go out and die, that's why I think they should be able to vote and you shouldn't.
	Okay, well, you just acknowledged that women could perform non-combat roles.
	As long as men like that.
	You defeated your own argument.
	No, I didn't.
	Defeat my own argument and feed yours three times.
	You just contradicted it.
	You go through it.
	You defeated your own argument or whatever.
	We're going all three times.
	There's no contradiction.
	You're literally confident in the middle of the state.
	There's no contradiction.
	I was granting your argument for the purpose of destroying it.
	I showed you, yes, even if we added them as non-combatants, gave you that argument to save you from here.
	If this were to be a matter of time, even if we were to crash already a million years ago, even if we were to grant your argument.
	What's the contradiction?
	The contradiction was you just said, you literally said that women can do non-combatants.
	No, I said, what if we move them into those roles?
	Okay, because you know they're capable.
	You wouldn't have even suggested that if you'd like to do that.
	That's why we clarified immediately after by saying, wouldn't men be better in those roles?
	And you were like, yes, they would, Andrew.
	They would be better in those roles.
	And I was like, yeah, see, I grant everyone's argument for the purpose of destroying it.
	No, you're contradicting.
	There's no contradiction.
	Point it out.
	Okay, the contradiction was you suggested that women can fulfill non-combat roles.
	That's your argument, yes.
	No, that was your argument.
	You presented that.
	I said, what if we move them into non-combat room roles?
	You presented that.
	Rewind.
	Everyone can reboot.
	I said, what if we move them into non-comb roles?
	You said, yeah, we could do that.
	So then I said, but even if we did, wouldn't men be better in that role?
	You said, yes, absolutely.
	And I went, well, then that's really not a viable argument either.
	Would they be better in the role in a non-combat role?
	They would be better in a non-combat role.
	So then, if we want the most effective military, we want it to be men.
	Therefore, men are the enforcers.
	And even if we did move women, all women into non-combat roles, they still would not be going out and doing the killing and the dying.
	So therefore, they still should get the big piece of chicken, the extra piece of meat, and the voting rights.
	Okay, here's the question: Is sitting there behind a desk operating a drone a non-combat role?
	I'm not sure.
	I'm not sure how to do it.
	It is a non-combat role.
	Because when you are.
	Is it classified as a non-combat role?
	I'm not sure.
	It's not hand-to-hand combat, okay?
	It's not physical combat.
	So what?
	That doesn't mean you're not.
	You can sit behind a desk and you can operate.
	Being in a tank's not hand-to-hand combat either.
	That's a-Is that a non-combat role?
	You're in a tank.
	What about an F-16?
	That's not hand-to-hand.
	Well, there are.
	Well, there aren't that many women pilots.
	It does take a lot of physical impact on your body to be a pilot.
	Right.
	Because the best tankers are going to be men.
	The best non-combatants are going to be men.
	And the best combatants are going to be men.
	We want the most powerful military.
	We know that men are going to enforce your rights.
	Therefore, men get to vote because they have more stake in the game and you don't.
	Who had the men that are being sent off the dime?
	I'm just saying.
	Men could have you whether you wanted them to have you or not.
	That's the point of enforcement.
	The point of enforcement is, regardless of what women want, whatever they claim, where they claim, oh, no, we're equal.
	We're ontologically equal.
	We're physically equal.
	We have the same knowledge bases.
	We have all men can just take what they want.
	Collectively, if men say tomorrow, you have no rights, you don't have any.
	So you're going back to thinking women shouldn't have the right to vote.
	Saying to you, due to enforcement, if men say collectively tomorrow, you have no rights, you don't have any.
	Would you like me to point out country after country where this is true?
	It's horrible.
	But I thought they were inherent from God.
	They are.
	Oh, they should be.
	But the reason why people choose to do bad things.
	The only reason why men choose to do that.
	But I thought that it was inherent.
	People choose to break from God's will all the time.
	It's called sin is because he gave us free will.
	So ridiculous.
	God gave you rights and you just ignore them.
	I was going to ask him: all men are enforcers because of the historical trend of men being in power.
	No, it's because they can literally stomp you to death and there's nothing you can do.
	Okay, true.
	If you give your wife any say in decisions in your household, if we lived in an all-time female.
	Okay, so your wife would just say, I know you think that's impossible, but if I can pose that hypothetical that we live in an all-female government where the women are the ones who enforce the rights, is that women can't enforce the rights.
	They still rely on men to enforce the rights.
	Okay, let's just say.
	So if men, so I'll explain it.
	Physically, hang on.
	The woman could be enforced.
	And then the man can enforce the rights.
	But why can a woman not vote in that?
	I'm going to explain it to you so that you know.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Let's say you had a 100% powerhouse government of all women.
	They're all She-Ra bitches in tight leather who do ninja kicks in men's faces.
	Problematic.
	They are the action movie stars that you have seen.
	They are the black widows, okay?
	Still wouldn't matter because ultimately the enforcement of the population, if they collectively said, nope, they're gone.
	And there's nothing they can do about it.
	But in reverse, it's not true.
	If men collectively say to women, we're in charge and you're not, you couldn't do shit.
	That's the distinction.
	But whether or not you're in charge is always going to be based on men allowing you to be in charge because collectively they can take that away.
	Women could not collectively take it away from them.
	So your whole argument is men should be able to vote and women no because men are physically stronger and men can physically overpower them.
	And that's the definition of rights.
	His argument is that the reason they should have the right to vote is because they have the inherent burden.
	Burden of defending you.
	The burden is being physically stronger.
	No.
	Not just physically strong.
	Because if we were physically stronger, then all of this would be reversed.
	But you're not.
	Yeah.
	So who cares?
	Well, you were just going to say that's not just an anatomical argument.
	That doesn't have any value.
	Let's assume for a second that it is just an anatomical argument.
	So what?
	Aren't you losing out on thousands, hunt billions of women for your economy, for your scientific cancer?
	Those bitches can still work.
	They just can't vote.
	Are they going to want to work if they can't vote?
	Do we care what they want inherently?
	That's the point.
	The point is, if you have the enforcement arm and the enforcement collective of the enforcement arm, people don't have a choice.
	You don't get to go, we don't want to work.
	They go, we don't care if you want to work.
	Then why can women vote?
	Because they're allowed to by the benevolent patriarchy.
	I have a question.
	And when the benevolent patriarchy decides to take that away, they ain't going to vote.
	No, no, no.
	It's not malevolency.
	It's not malevolency.
	They have to.
	They don't have to.
	Yes, they do.
	Why?
	Revolution.
	Female revolution.
	You think it's not possible?
	Female revolution.
	Tell me all about the female revolution.
	Okay, listen.
	Not like actual.
	Did they grab guns and take those patriarchs?
	You look really bastard brainstorming.
	You look really silly and emotional right now, girl.
	Are you on your period?
	Anyways.
	You might be malevolent.
	Holy smokers, this is hilarious.
	But what else?
	Female revolution.
	Yeah, okay.
	Like, as in, we stop doing our motherly duties.
	We abort all of our children, blah, blah, blah, ourselves.
	We don't work.
	You just coat hanger them out, right?
	Sorry.
	But hey, the whole, here's the big giant, massive hole in your argument again.
	Why do you think that you're allowed to do any of those things if the patriarchy says no?
	But they play chess.
	They play chess.
	Why would they allow us to if they didn't have to?
	The only reason why they allow us to do things is because they have to.
	That's weird.
	So every move you make on a chessboard is because you have to make the move?
	No, Well, yeah, I'm saying if they box you, if the other person is playing chess and they box you in somehow, you're going to have to move to not get checkmate, right?
	What the men should do.
	So men would take all the power if they could.
	They can.
	Yeah, they would take away our right to vote tomorrow if they could, but they can't.
	That brings me to the question of what you have.
	I was trying to ask for like 30 minutes.
	You have what is called a benevolent patriarchy.
	And because the patriarchy is benevolent, they don't like to see women uncomfortable.
	Okay, so they have worked.
	Well, they don't like to see women uncomfortable.
	They have worked tirelessly inside of the Christian ethic to do everything that they possibly can do.
	All men work within the Christian religion.
	Women, most men in the society of the United States did, yeah.
	Most men.
	Why is your question?
	Thank you.
	Why is it?
	Okay, so aside everything that we've been listening to for the last 30 minutes, which is like reactionary, why if men believe this, why are they not then reinforcing this into their house?
	Because like she said.
	Belief is the key.
	Yeah, but men in their own houses, why are they being cucks to the feminist ideology and not controlling their own house?
	Saying something is true versus something.
	No, that's not even what I'm talking about.
	I'm saying why are men not defending their own beliefs and their own men.
	Why are they not?
	Is that a descriptive claim of is or is it an ought claim?
	No, I'm saying why are men not being accountable in their own houses and leading their women and children to the best way that they're so I can try to explain it to you.
	James.
	That is an is claim.
	When you say why aren't men doing X, you're talking about what is happening currently.
	You ought to tell your wife not to vote.
	Still trying she doesn't.
	I vote.
	And she votes how I tell her to to double my vote.
	Now, back to this, what you're asking, that is an is claim, right?
	It's a descriptive truth of what's happening right now, right?
	Men are not enforcing what they believe in their house, yes.
	Right.
	Okay, so that is a descriptive claim.
	It's not an ought claim of what should happen.
	Well, they should be enforcing their home.
	Just because you can have a society which can be brainwashed and they can do all sorts of things like, oh, I don't know, have a social contagion like the LGBTQ where Gen Z says now that one in four of them identify as homosexual, right?
	You can claim that that's a social contagion.
	Populations can be bamboozled.
	are all the time but if you look at patriarchal okay if you if you talk about patriarchy If you talk about patriarchal nations, though, I can point nation after nation after nation after nation who literally says to women, no rights.
	Well, that's not what I'm talking about.
	I'm saying that the menu are a leader in the past.
	That's not what I want to do.
	That's what you just argued for.
	No, that's not even the right thing.
	That's not even what I'm talking about.
	I'm saying that the men would be aware of that.
	Do you think that women in this nation were oppressed until they had the right to vote a few years ago?
	Seriously?
	Is that what you think?
	You think our founders oppressed women on purpose?
	They just wanted to oppress them all?
	Tell me.
	what does that have to do with the messaging is that what you think not having a say in the government they were just oppressing women or founders Once men share power, there is no balance power.
	There is no power dynamic.
	There are no boss babes.
	Please revolt.
	I double dog dare you.
	The patriarchy stands ready to teach you the wages Of arguments.
	Yeah, so anyway, you think that our founders and you think America was inherently sexist towards women?
	I just want to hear you say that on record because we didn't let them vote.
	Men actually did vote to allow women to vote.
	Okay, I can't say that the men didn't allow the vote.
	That was recent.
	Most of American history, that is not the case, correct?
	Well, there was a long period of time where women did not have the right to vote.
	They didn't have the right to own property.
	You used to need to know what they were doing.
	Just so you know, though, most men also used to have votes.
	Most men also did not have the right to vote.
	By the way, actually, one of the reasons why some of the Christian churches actually engaged in polygamy, which I'm not endorsing polygamy, but one of the reasons was because when a woman's husband died in war or any illness, anything, they didn't have the right to own the property.
	So what they would do is that's why they would.
	Women always had the right to own property.
	No.
	Especially their husbands.
	Yes, they did.
	That's a feminist talk.
	They would marry in order to retain the women.
	In fact, the opposite is true.
	Men couldn't retain women's property.
	Women could always retain their own property.
	How the fuck do you not know this stuff?
	This is basic anti-feminist rhetoric 101.
	Women could always own property in the United States.
	Where did you get the idea that they couldn't?
	Where did you ever get that idea?
	Women's studies classes.
	Yeah, no shit.
	I didn't take women's studies.
	Well, where did you get the idea that property?
	Literally, I've read about it in history that women didn't own.
	Where did you read this?
	In neverhappened.com?
	I mean, where the fuck would this at that you read about women not being able to own property?
	Always had the right to own property.
	Yes, women could always own property.
	Almost everywhere in the world, women could own property.
	That's not tied to voting necessarily.
	A lot of voters.
	No, no, no.
	Actually, originally, voting was tied to property.
	They owned a lot of property.
	Voting was tied to properties that were owned by men, not properties that were owned.
	No, voting was tied to whether or not you had a right to vote.
	Which men had the right to vote.
	Women did not have the right to vote.
	Suffrage was limited.
	Suffrage was limited on purpose.
	Our founders knew exactly what they were doing.
	They did not want pure democracy.
	They knew exactly what it was.
	A nightmare scenario.
	That's exactly what it is.
	So they limit suffrage.
	That was back when half the population was uneducated.
	Real quick, that's what I wanted to ask you.
	Oh, but women had the most amount of education in those populations.
	No, women have always done since public schooling began better inside of domestic testing and have had better grades than men always have.
	Not only that, but the feminists.
	The feminists of the world that you're talking about flew all around the world, were highly educated, hung out with aristocrats, wrote books.
	They got published all over the fucking place.
	These were not oppressed women's.
	Bull shit.
	Okay, but why are we still ignoring the fact that men are obligated as the leader and the head of the home to control their own house?
	Can I answer your question and then can I also ask you a question?
	Yeah, I just want to understand why we're not focusing on the root, which is men being responsible in their own house.
	And why are you cucking to your wife's feminist ideology?
	I know.
	Is it men's fault, Andrew?
	No.
	No, men control themselves.
	I was just going to say that I've noticed in some of the dynamics of relationships in people I know, men kind of just say, it's easier.
	They prefer peace, so they would rather cuck in the moment and think that it's they suffer their suffer their family long term for the instant gratification.
	Well, I think what I observe is that they would basically say, kind of subscribe to the idea, happy wife, happy life.
	In the moment, but then long term, everyone suffers.
	They're calculating the destruction of their own family by their own personal feelings in that moment.
	Women have been so conflicted.
	This happened because Bolshevik communists came in and they were women in society who decided to stay true to their convictions and their pride as well.
	Listen, listen.
	You can have what's called demoralization of a society.
	It's just part of a communist progression for most places that they infiltrate.
	This happened right here in the United States.
	It's happening in Canada.
	It's happening all over the West.
	And what happened was there was an infiltration of Bolsheviks who got a hold of the institutions and they have been slowly demoralizing the public.
	There's no doubt that this is true.
	You laugh and scoff, but it's true.
	You should read Anthony's.
	That's probably why you're a socialist.
	Yeah, I know.
	I bet you're a socialist, huh?
	Mao Zedong is a ramp.
	Are you a socialist?
	But what's the difference between?
	To answer my question, are you a socialist?
	No.
	Okay, how do you define politically?
	I prefer not to state.
	Yeah, that's right.
	How do you define the men who decide?
	Far right wing, as far on the fucking scale as you can.
	What's the difference between a masculine and the men who decide?
	I do actually.
	Hold on.
	Let's.
	Do you want to actually give an answer, though?
	How do you consider?
	Are you capitalist?
	She's a socialist.
	Come on.
	Just say it.
	We already know it.
	The red scare, as you're about to say it.
	I'm not like super defined, but I'm a political science student.
	I'd say I'm on the left.
	Yeah, you're a socialist.
	I'm not a socialist, but I'm on the left.
	What are you pregnant?
	Do you believe in laissez-faire capitalism?
	I know about laissez-faire capitalism.
	I love you.
	Would you prefer a mixed market economy?
	Would you prefer that we already have a mixed market economy?
	So let's try it this way: universal health care, yes or no?
	Okay.
	You just want to roast me like once I'm going to ask you to ask.
	Oh, I just want to ask you.
	And I'm fine with defining the question.
	I'm not going to roast your question.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	You want expanded welfare benefits?
	That one, it's a case-by-case basis.
	Depends on the benefit.
	Depends where minorities specifically.
	Implemented.
	Whoa, chill.
	No, that's not.
	I would say it's very based on public policy is a very complicated thing.
	And I'd say, yes, generally, I'd like the cost of living to be lower and people to be able to get it.
	Did you just earlier say that you wanted expanded social benefits for maternity leave?
	I said that people would not have to abort as much if there was more.
	So are you for that or against that?
	Wait, but hasn't the social welfare statement?
	It's just like getting an answer.
	I don't know.
	Show me the numbers.
	Okay, I believe.
	Okay, fine, sure.
	Yeah, more welfare.
	More welfare, universal health care.
	Go ahead, gross.
	So when it comes, I'm not roasting you.
	That's what you're setting up for.
	I know that's why you're so curious.
	All of your idea.
	If you don't want to answer the quote, you don't have to.
	I thought you wanted to engage in a debate.
	I'd love to.
	Let's go for it.
	Okay, so.
	Why are we stuck with two ultra extremes?
	You like.
	Yeah, these are ultra extremes.
	I'm still trying to understand that.
	Feminism and masculine.
	You're saying libertarianism.
	You don't masculine and feminism.
	But you don't actually have anything in the middle.
	You don't have to just argue.
	This thing that has common sense that's balanced.
	We're going to allow Andrew and her to have a back and forth.
	Go ahead.
	But the Milquetoast Finn Center wants to jump in, you know.
	It's not milqueto.
	It is.
	It's libertarianism.
	It's common sense.
	Milquetoast feminism.
	Okay, most people in America.
	It's common sense in the 1970s when they were burning bras, maybe.
	But anyway, go ahead.
	What do you mean, go ahead?
	Well, I was asking about expanded social programs.
	Yeah, we should have more expanded social programs.
	Right, okay.
	What would you say distinguishes your ideology from that of somebody who identifies as being a socialist?
	There are still capitalist things in place in society.
	Socialists believe in mixed economies.
	Okay, sure, I'm a socialist then.
	Okay, that's so then when you said the Red Scare.
	Yeah.
	How many people do you think would identify themselves as socialists in the 1950s, 1960s, 1970s, 1980s?
	There's a good amount.
	CPUSA was still active.
	It's not a good amount.
	CPUSA was still active before the Communist Party of the United States of America.
	How do you pick it up?
	Very different.
	No, it had a substantial.
	It was actually also involved with civil rights organizations.
	Yeah, CPUSA, Communist Party USA, and people who identify as communists.
	Very small threshold, even to this day.
	How many people do you think there were in the 80s, 70s, 60s, 50s?
	I'm saying prior to the Red Scare, there were a lot more.
	But yes.
	There were a lot more communists here?
	Yeah.
	Prior to the Red Scare?
	There were a lot more people who identified as communists prior to the Red Scare.
	Prove it.
	I wish I could.
	I don't have anything in front of me, but yes.
	And was that because Bolshevik communists were imported here after things like Operation Paperclip and these various things where we brought them in, and then they went into academia, like I just said, and you scoffed at it?
	Show me.
	What does that proof?
	Here's the proof.
	Do you know what Operation Paperclip is?
	Yeah, it's some sort of thing where they sent the Bolsheviks in to turn America to demoralize the American Catholic Church.
	Just say, I don't know what it is.
	Just say it.
	It sounds familiar, but I don't know exactly.
	I don't know what it is.
	What does that have to do with the menu?
	He has a really good commentary on what happened and how the Wall Street actually funded the Bolsheviks.
	And if you're a political science major, I would say, what does that have to do with men in their individualized homes keeping their duty to God and themselves as men and making the best example in their home?
	If men decided, I'm not going to deal with feminists and completely stopped dealing with feminists, it would go away because women would realize that's no longer a part of the market.
	And if they wanted good men, they would have to put aside those and pick up the godly perspective.
	You have to understand you're dealing with two massive components.
	One, you can look at things like the MKUltra program and you can see how successful brainwashing on a mass scale really is.
	Massively successful.
	You know it's true because all you have to do is look at the end of the table to see it.
	Okay?
	Brainwashing massively successful.
	It's okay.
	And the youngest one is not a Christian.
	She was raised in a house without a father.
	Those are the ones who are most vulnerable to this kind of stuff.
	Not true.
	It's time to follow God and sticks to his morals.
	But what you discover is this.
	Here's what you discover.
	All I know is this ideology here that you're especially Alex Jones ideology.
	No, it's not.
	Yeah, it is.
	This ideology is.
	Talk to him about MK Ultra.
	You don't know what you're talking about.
	This ideology here is literally recruiting feminists.
	It is recruiting leftist liberal voters.
	Let's get more women voting because otherwise.
	Women do vote.
	That's the reality of the situation.
	So if you continue espousing these very radical belief sets that doesn't actually really align with conservative Republican beliefs, no, it doesn't.
	What's a patriarchy in the Christian ethics?
	You are going to be turning out more women to go vote for some horrible candidate like Joe Biden.
	If it's extreme, let me know.
	That's what you're going with.
	Do you consider Catholicism extreme because it's a patriarchy?
	Do you consider Orthodoxy extreme because it's a patriarchy?
	And do you consider most denominational churches extreme because they operate under a patriarchy?
	What you're pushing for is a matter of time.
	Answer my motherfucking question without a question for once.
	Are they extreme because they are patriarchists?
	No, they're not this religion.
	I'm not saying anything extreme from a Christian standpoint.
	Next back over to you.
	Catholicism, women don't have the right to vote, though.
	The Catholic Church, literally, the doctrine was always that you could not have female clergy.
	That was the doctrine.
	Same thing with Orthodoxy.
	Always.
	Okay.
	So we have separation of church and state, though.
	So when we're talking about the- Oh, you have secularist beliefs.
	Yay.
	our founders would have loved that okay but we don't have a you know we aren't like the muslim countries where sharia law you know is dictated by religion Our original colony.
	Each one of our original colonies had a state religion.
	Are you aware that at the founding of the United States, all 13 of the colonies which then became states had a state religion?
	Are you aware of that?
	All of them had a state religion.
	Okay.
	Every single one of them.
	Where's the separation of church and state?
	Okay, but you're talking about the colonies.
	You're not talking about the fact that after the United States was ratified, every single state had a state religion.
	Okay, well, why do we have it say separation of church?
	No, we don't.
	That's a liberal progressive talking point.
	No, it isn't.
	Yes, it is.
	Their secularism is stupid on its face.
	That's why they don't allow religion in the schools.
	Can I just ask you to do that?
	And you're okay with that?
	No, I'm not necessarily.
	That's one of the reasons why they don't allow it.
	Because if the first of all, because the Supreme Court rules on a thing doesn't mean the thing ought to be true, one.
	And two, doesn't mean that that was the intention of our founders.
	Our founders had no intention at all.
	This becoming a Muslim nation or anything absolutely Christian nation ever.
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	Please stop catering to the feminist talking points.
	It encourages them and makes everyone else take you less seriously.
	Listen to Andrew.
	He's right.
	Get some help.
	Be better.
	Before I have you guys come in.
	That's ridiculous.
	Okay.
	She says you're ridiculous, Grid 1, if you have thoughts on that.
	But let me read these chats.
	We have four chats.
	We'll try to get through them.
	We have Killa of Cereal.
	It's going to come in here in just a sec.
	Grid 1.
	Thank you, man.
	Kill of Cereal, the Declaration of Independence.
	Truths to be self-evident.
	All men are created equal.
	That they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights.
	Life, liberty, pursuit of happiness.
	What you're talking about there is an axiom.
	Axioms are not a justified starting point.
	The only justification you can have for a starting point is through God.
	I've never seen a secularist present anything other than an axiom, meaning I just think we should arbitrarily start here for our philosophical discussion for no fucking reason whatsoever.
	It's not based in anything.
	It's just an axiom.
	My axiom is that that axiom's wrong.
	Why am I wrong?
	Well, tell us more about how you don't believe in the Constitution.
	Hold on, I'm telling you that the Constitution's a social construction.
	What do you mean?
	Don't believe in it.
	Sorry, let me read these chats.
	Chris Blakeman 2024.
	Hey, guys, keep up the good fight and keep spread the word of holding true to our values as men and women together.
	We can all build something great together if we keep having these conversations from Chris Blakeman, 2024.
	He's running for president or something, local something council member.
	All right, thank you, man.
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	Appreciate it.
	I can barely watch this podcast without Andrew on it.
	At least when Andrew isn't around, grid one seems to keep the 3-0 foes, the strumpets, in check.
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	What about a bow?
	You think a bow could, like, fuck up a BJJ guy?
	Spencer, what do you think?
	I think it could, yeah.
	Compound bow would do it.
	Compound bow, Sencor.
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	We have last one here.
	We have Hopeless Niners fan with 145.
	Hey, thank you, man.
	Appreciate it.
	The number of cigarettes Andrew will need after this podcast.
	That's a lot of sevens, however many that is.
	How many packs a day do you smoke, Andrew?
	One pack?
	Two packs?
	One pack.
	Just one pack?
	Okay.
	Unless I'm on stream, then I puff a lot.
	The casual one pack.
	Okay, cool.
	Oh, we have a chat here.
	I would like, if we can, let's try to maybe bring it back a little more dating-centered.
	Perhaps we can get back to some of these topics, some of these topics a little later on.
	But we have Stiffler.
	Ask everyone to rate their looks on a scale of one to ten, starting with you, your looks.
	Go ahead.
	Oh.
	Do a solid eight.
	Solid eight, okay.
	What about you?
	I guess an eight, two, four, eight point five.
	Six.
	The fuck?
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	On that note.
	Oh, he's got a cigarette break.
	He's taking a cigarette break.
	All right.
	I think we were on this.
	You seem to, I don't know.
	You're looking at me kind of.
	I don't know.
	I don't know.
	I mean, you want me to rate my looks?
	Stiffler does.
	Okay.
	Stiffler.
	Ask everyone to rate their looks on the scale of one to 10, yeah.
	I think that maybe the guys should just, they can rate my looks.
	You sure you want the chance or rate your looks?
	That's fine.
	I don't care.
	I don't think I'll raise.
	No, that's fine.
	They can rate me as one, or I don't really care.
	They can rate me.
	I don't think you should invoke their wrath on this one.
	I don't know.
	That's okay.
	Okay.
	Well, what do you rate yourself as, looks-wise?
	I just, I don't understand why is that so important?
	Like, I get that guys want to always rate people.
	Like, there seems to be, like, a common theme of wanting to rate people's looks, right, on a scale of one to ten.
	Women don't make assessments about physical appearance.
	I don't usually do that.
	Really?
	Yeah, no, I don't.
	Well, you're married, right?
	Yeah.
	So you didn't, when you were, you know, considering this person to date them, to marry them, maybe not to marry them, but when you first met your current husband, his physical appearance was not in any way a consideration.
	Not really much.
	Zero.
	Actually, it was more about our intellectual connection and just how he made me feel when I was with him.
	I really admire intellectual men.
	Okay.
	And that's kind of one of the things that's a big turn on, I guess, for me.
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	Just getting here.
	You found the perfect man in every way.
	Strong, handsome, good income, etc.
	He invites you over.
	You find a fully loaded 30 RD Mag AR-15 next to his bed.
	What's your reaction?
	Here, we'll come back.
	Actually, fuck it.
	No, we'll.
	Okay.
	Hold on.
	Your reaction, go ahead.
	You.
	Oh, me.
	Just fully loaded gun?
	I'd probably like ask him why first.
	Okay, perfect man in every way.
	Strong, handsome, good income.
	He invites you over.
	You find a fully loaded 30, what?
	Mag.
	Okay, well, the AR-15 next to his bed.
	What's your reaction?
	I think I just ask him why, and it depends on how many answers.
	From what?
	Someone looking out for him?
	Self-defense.
	Okay, bro, but like if we're going to have kids or something, I might want to get that out of the house.
	Wouldn't you, if you have kids, wouldn't you want even more to have effective self-defense?
	I don't want my kids to accidentally shoot themselves.
	What if there were protocols in the city?
	Like a safe?
	Not even necessarily safe, but perhaps it was hidden in a place where only your husband knew or you knew.
	I mean, I'd rather a safe than just it be hidden.
	Well, okay.
	Let's just say it was out of reach from kids.
	Like up high, really high, or somewhere that the kids couldn't get.
	I mean, I'm really young still, so this is still a question that honestly, I'm not that sure about.
	Yeah, but it's just the question of, I'm fine with gun ownership.
	It's just the question of would I want to be married to someone who owns like a powerful gun in the home.
	I'm just not sure about.
	I'm literally 19.
	So I'm sorry.
	Well, okay, how about the guy you were dating now?
	That would be scary.
	Like, because we don't, that wouldn't make any sense.
	Why wouldn't it make sense?
	There's nothing to defend.
	What do you mean?
	I guess it does only make sense in the context of if you have a home to own a gun.
	What do you mean?
	What if you're rent?
	No, if renters.
	What?
	Okay, I don't think he needs to defend his, like, $1,000 a month college apartment.
	No, Hold on.
	What about defending his life?
	Yeah, I guess, but I feel like we live in a pretty safe area.
	I don't know.
	I don't know.
	It's not really something I think about.
	I mean, like, realistically speaking, that would be a little jarring.
	Jarring.
	Yeah, but I wouldn't, like, break up with him over it.
	I think I'd have a lot of questions, and I think we might have to have a conversation about maybe getting rid of it if it's too much or getting a smaller gun.
	But, like.
	Wait.
	Okay, there's a whole lot there.
	Wait, it's a question on guns.
	It's the like, perfect, you're a perfect guy, but you go to his place, and there's an AR-15.
	Okay, I'm chill with it.
	I don't care, but I have questions.
	What if he had 100 of them?
	I would probably leave the premises.
	Why?
	Because that's too many.
	Why?
	Because you don't need that many unless you're starting a civil fight.
	Need's a strange word.
	Do you need to wear that tank top?
	Yes.
	Why?
	So I'm not making it.
	Couldn't you wear a shirt that wasn't that tank top?
	Yes.
	But I could also have an axe instead of a gun.
	You could also have a bazooka instead of a red.
	Okay, what's your point here?
	My point is, is need.
	What do you mean, need?
	What does need have to do with how many guns a person owns?
	And why would that be a red flag on a person if they owned 100 or 1,000 or 10,000?
	Because it would be unnecessary.
	Well, almost everything you do in life is unnecessary.
	That's true.
	Being on this podcast is unnecessary, but you're here.
	Yeah.
	So what does need have to do with anything?
	It's, okay.
	If we were living in a war-torn country that was currently in civil war, maybe I wouldn't be as mad.
	I'd be like, cool, go sell them.
	Let's make some money.
	So like when all the riots were going on, then it was over.
	If I go to my friend's apartment in the college town and they have 100 AR-15s, I'm going to be a little confused.
	Okay, what if they have one?
	That's the original question.
	Okay, I'm going to ask a few questions, and depending on their answers, I'll probably be chilling with it just to defend themselves.
	What are the questions that you would ask?
	Why did you buy a gun?
	Self-defense.
	What are the other questions?
	Why do you need that big of one?
	Why do you need that big of one to defend yourself?
	Big.
	It's small.
	Isn't it an AR-15?
	It could be a zoo gun.
	That shoots a teeny tiny bullet called a 5.56, basically a 22.
	Why don't you get a Glock or a handgun?
	You mean the ones that shoot the bigger bullets?
	Oh, I don't know.
	Well, if you're concerned about that.
	The ones that are easier to confuse.
	Do you want them to shoot the bigger bullets at the bad guy and not the smaller ones?
	I told you guys, like, this is not a topic of sharing.
	I just didn't know anything about that.
	I was like, I'm 19 now.
	I'm going to ask a question.
	She just asked why.
	I don't think she would.
	She just said she's going to ask.
	What if he says because I want to.
	That's it.
	That's the only reason.
	Well, you don't actually need to have a lock on your door until somebody tries to enter your home.
	Yeah, I think it's more so if their reason is crazy, then that's why.
	Yeah, but wouldn't that be the same with everyone?
	Do you have a single reason, like self-defense?
	Like, why'd you get that muscle car and they give you a crazy reason?
	It'd be the same shit, right?
	A gun is more.
	If it's a crazy reason for a gun, it's obviously a little worse than a muscle car.
	Why?
	You could do way worse damage with a car than you could with a gun.
	Yes, but it's the intention behind it.
	Like, what are the common expenses?
	Cars are for driving guns are for shooting and well, wait a second.
	If we have a tool for everything on planet Earth, why shouldn't we have a tool for self-defense?
	That seems absurd.
	Okay, I didn't say we'd say I never said that we'd use this gun or 1,000 guns or 10,000 guns, let's just say that he has 10,000.
	He has 20,000, 25,000.
	I never said I was anti-gun on the bottom.
	Yeah, but one is to 25 as it is to two.
	Like, what would be the problem?
	I don't get the mentality of if you're not.
	Because there's always a reason why someone does something, and why would you buy 25 guns?
	I like them.
	Okay, if they say that, they're collecting them, that makes sense.
	Obviously, that's the answer that I needed.
	If they're like, I want to go shoot 25 people with 25 different guns, then that would be a good idea.
	But if they said that about anything, you would be upset.
	It has nothing to do with the object, right?
	If they said, I collect pennies because I want to stuff them down a guy's throat, that would still be just as bad, right?
	Yeah, all they asked me is what I would do, and I said I'd ask.
	Your answer, go ahead.
	I'd be the same.
	It's a little concerning.
	I'm just going to ask, why do you have that?
	Self-defense.
	But the question is: so, what's your reaction?
	Perfect guy, strong, handsome, good income, but he owns a single AR-15.
	I think that's it.
	Would you no longer date him, basically?
	I mean, I guess, like, I don't know, he's the perfect guy, and he has no intention of using that gun other than self-defense.
	So, sure, why not?
	I'll stay with you.
	Okay.
	I've never owned a gun, so like, I don't know why it was loaded.
	But if the laws state that, like, it's okay in that state and he's following all the laws for the guns or whatever, I don't mind.
	I actually shot guns for the first time, like, a little while ago, and I like them.
	So, um, I actually like guns.
	I want to have my own gun, so I probably wouldn't question him about it, especially if it's right next to his bed.
	I'd probably just, you know, assume it was there for his self-sure.
	I think it would, I think, depending on the location, the context, what type of guy he is, well, like, what type of guy he is, if he's just kind of like a goofy college kid who like plays video games all day and like lives in his mom's basement, it's like, okay, you know, what's going on here?
	But if he's like a fully grown man living in his own place, like you said, then I'd maybe just go, hey, you know, what's that doing there?
	Because I mean, just the norms in society now, it's been pushed, you know, very anti-gun in a lot of ways.
	So I think I've been, you know, especially this state.
	Yeah, and I think I've, and I think I've fallen, you know, prey to that a little bit too, where it is like very intimidating and off-putting.
	But I mean, he's, if he's the perfect guy that answers it itself, whatever.
	I would ask him why he doesn't have an AR-15.
	No, he does have.
	Oh, it sounded like you said he just had a handgun by his bed.
	I said, why don't I say, why don't you have a hand?
	Are you biased?
	Oh, okay.
	Are you biased against the AK-47?
	What if he said he had the AK-45?
	I'd say, let's go to the shooting range.
	Let's have a gun.
	What if it was the AK instead of the AR, though?
	You got to weigh in on the debate.
	What if he was like, I like the AK-47 that 762x39 has.
	Way more hitting power.
	It's way more reliable.
	Fucking ARs jam all the time.
	You know, I just don't like those.
	I want that good Soviet AK-47.
	Actually, you know, my husband likes to have me armed with a double-barrel shotgun.
	That way I can't miss.
	You got the Biden thing going.
	The double barrel.
	Yeah, it's a double barrel.
	It sounds similar to when I met my husband, and I didn't have a problem with it.
	I wouldn't have a problem with it.
	I plan on having my own gun one day.
	But if we did have kids together, I think that it would be best if we had it in a safe.
	Yeah.
	I mean, that's one thing I'll say.
	As a mom with kids, I do take into consideration, like, you have to be safe with kids in the home.
	Absolutely.
	Just train them to use them.
	Then they keep them under their bed.
	And you don't have to get up in the morning.
	They kick in the door.
	The kids take care of it.
	You can sleep in.
	For the time stamper here, we are coming back to the rating one to ten question.
	We got stuck with you.
	You seem to have not wanted to.
	I think the TTS about the AR-15 came in while we were talking about this.
	I said the audience can rate me if they want to.
	Oh, no.
	I think, well, you were sort of, it sounded like you were objecting to this question to some degree.
	Why is it.
	I'm so glad I'm not dating donated $200.
	Jesus.
	This is why I'm losing my fucking right.
	And guns are for defense in public.
	Shotguns are for home defense.
	And our 15s or assault rifles are for when Terrelli is present.
	No, they're not assault rifles.
	It's Armalite, but fair enough point.
	Okay.
	So going back to Stiffler's thing, I was just a little confused.
	What exactly kind of is your objection again with the rating looks on the scale of one to ten thing?
	I think because I think the subject here is very much around dating and how people view themselves when they're dating.
	And because I never really was taking into account what my physical looks were when I met my husband, and I wasn't taking into account his physical looks either.
	None of that really was an equation for me.
	And so I wouldn't, I don't think along those lines.
	So Andrew, you might have missed it.
	I was asking her when, you know, with her, she's married.
	When you first met him, and I asked, you weren't even considering looks at all, even a little bit.
	It wasn't even, you know, weight, height, facial symmetry, nothing.
	So are you not physically attracted to your husband?
	I'm a bit confused.
	No, I'm attracted to him, yeah.
	Okay.
	What are the qualities that make him attractive physically?
	Well, he's very intelligent.
	No, physically.
	Oh, physically?
	Well, here's the thing.
	I have went on dates before with guys who you would define as like a physical model.
	And I've been completely unattracted to them and bored with them.
	Sure.
	So for me, attraction actually is very much based on how I feel with them and whether or not they stimulate me intellectually.
	I like intelligent men.
	I'm attracted to intelligent men.
	My wife, one of the things that she does always even annoys my chat, things like this.
	All she does is talk about how stunningly gorgeous I am, which is in no way, shape, or form true, but she's very kind to do it.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	But what she does is she'll say, I like this quality.
	I like that quality.
	I like this quality.
	She tells a story about how when we met, she opened the door, she heard Dreamweaver in her head, right?
	The whole nine yards.
	Speaks very, very highly of me.
	From the perspective of the husband, he's sitting at home watching you right now, right?
	Well, I can tell you some things I like about it.
	What's the physical quality of his life?
	He has a nice smile, and he's got, you know, I guess, pretty colored eyes.
	I don't know.
	But that's all your physical, just no physical attraction at all.
	That doesn't matter at all.
	I'm attracted to him, but it's not one of those things where, like, I'm not shallow in that I will dismiss somebody if they don't look like a certain thing I'm after.
	Like, for me, like I said, I will dismiss somebody if I think that they're stupid or if I think I don't respect them or if I think that they're mean or arrogant or condescending.
	I will not be attracted.
	Any bit of physical will be gone if there's personality issues or if I see that that person is.
	Yeah, I get it.
	But the reason that this is asked is we're purely looking at the physical end of it, which you would agree is super important for maybe not you.
	Maybe you're the one exception to this rule I've ever found.
	But most everybody has some kind of qualification for physical attractiveness.
	Even you must.
	Like, for instance, you wouldn't debate, or you wouldn't date a guy who's 900 pounds, right?
	That would be.
	Yeah, I mean, you're probably right.
	I probably wouldn't.
	Yeah, I probably wouldn't want to.
	So there are some physical barriers.
	So we're looking at that.
	Saying what you would consider those physical barriers there, you could kind of assume what men's physical barriers may be.
	And based on those, how would you rate your physical looks to that?
	I'd have to ask the men.
	I've heard different things from men as to what they think I look.
	Your perspective of what you think men would think.
	How men have thought about me, what they think my number is?
	Yeah.
	Well, I think it's probably, obviously, I'm 33 right now, so my number's probably gone down.
	Sure.
	Right?
	When I was younger, a lot of men, I always was just constantly being approached by almost every man I was coming into contact with.
	But I mean, how much do men just say to women?
	You're gorgeous, you're beautiful, you're stunning, you're this all the time.
	And that's just not just themselves.
	Yeah, I agree with all of that.
	I'm just saying, based right now, you're 33, how you look right this second.
	How would you perceive that most men, most men, would perceive you on a scale of 1 to 10, 10 being the highest for physical attractiveness, 0 being the least?
	1,000 pounds, jowls out to here, zits all over the face, right?
	Right, right.
	Where are you at in that scale?
	I don't know.
	That's why I said.
	I had to guess.
	Men are visual creatures.
	Let's just say you guessed.
	If you had to guess.
	If I had to guess.
	Yeah, I had to guess.
	Yeah.
	I don't know.
	I already told you.
	I think we should let you know.
	You don't know a guess?
	Well, I know that my husband would say he probably thinks I'm a 10.
	Yeah, I know.
	But what do I think?
	Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	All right, I'm going to just move on.
	Go ahead.
	I don't know.
	I would say like a six or a seven.
	Same.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Andrew?
	Four.
	Four?
	Okay, I'll give myself a five.
	Twin.
	Five.
	All right.
	There you have it.
	There you have it, folks.
	I have maybe a quick throw out here.
	Actually, let me read this chat really quick.
	Glad I tuned in tonight.
	Instead of a bunch of 300s, we have a based 306.
	No fucking idea what the 306 is, but come back to South Korea, SK.
	We need more women like you.
	SK, is that Saskatchewan, sir?
	Oh, okay.
	Oh, yeah.
	Oh, I think he's saying you're best.
	Maybe 306 because it's north.
	I don't know.
	I don't know.
	What's a 304?
	Definitely an area because it's an area.
	Definitely an extra.
	It's not supposed to be.
	Never mind.
	One question related to the rating thing.
	Does anybody here think they're going to be more physically attractive in 10 years as compared to how you look now?
	All else being equal, does anybody here think they'll be more physically attractive in 10 years' time?
	Starting with you, go ahead.
	No.
	No.
	I mean, no, objectively, probably not.
	I don't know.
	Realistically.
	Societally, probably not.
	Okay.
	I don't know, but going by the typical pattern of things, probably not.
	No.
	No.
	I think so.
	I think that your 30s are your prime.
	Yeah.
	Oh, okay.
	All right.
	What about let's go 10 years forward?
	Well, hang on.
	Okay, sorry.
	So 20 years from now, you are 21, right?
	Yeah.
	Okay, so are you going to be more physically attractive at 41 as compared to now at 21, all else being equal?
	No, at 41, I would not be.
	Okay, so you think you'll peak early 30s, basically, looks-wise.
	Right, yes.
	All else being equal?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Huh.
	Okay.
	You had something, Andrew?
	I did.
	So do you think that attractiveness between men and women is tied to fertility?
	Do you think that would be a good reason for why men would find younger women to be attractive is because younger women have high fertility?
	I think that that's part of it, yes.
	Not in all cases.
	Really?
	What would be the other case besides a fetish?
	Well, that was pretty much the middle real quick.
	So that's like if you're going to introduce lunacy to it, like fetishes or something like this, sure.
	But generally speaking.
	Wait, can you say the question again, like simplified again?
	Yeah, so don't you think that what is considered attractive between men and women would often be tied to fertility?
	I mean, there's that argument for sure, but when I ask my father about it, he tells me that he bases it on a woman's relationship with God, her spirituality, as well as her intelligence, because he needs to be able to trust that woman to raise children with him.
	Well, I wish your dad was sitting where you are because if I said the woman had all of those things, but all things being equal, you had to pick between one who was a four and one who was a 10, and both of them had all those same qualities, which would you pick?
	Your dad would say the 10.
	Well, he said circumstantially.
	It depends on what that woman is capable of doing.
	I just said they have the exact same values, just one's hotter than the other.
	Would you pick a 210 over your wife?
	No, of course not.
	Okay, why?
	Because of the value distinction.
	Okay, well, I think that's a good idea.
	That literally makes no sense what you just said.
	My question to her was, they have the same values.
	You say, what about the distinction of values?
	It makes no sense to my question.
	The values are identical.
	If the values are identical, maybe a man would prefer the one who's more attractive, who has the exact same values.
	And why would they prefer the one who's more attractive?
	I mean, that's, I'm not a man that I should answer that.
	I just, all I'm saying is that.
	Wait, wait.
	Why would you have to be a man in order to answer that?
	Because it's circumstantial.
	Like I said.
	It's not circumstantial.
	The human race must survive, right?
	Can I finish what I'm saying, sir, please?
	Well, can you make it quick?
	Can you make it snappy?
	Well, I could have been done if he didn't introduce me to the moment.
	No, I can't.
	So anyway, can you make it quite a bit?
	What I'm saying is, like I said, I've asked my father the same questions, and what he delineates to me is that it's circumstantial based on what he's compatible with that woman, what she's capable to do with him in a relationship in raising children, having a home, having a relationship with God, and things like that.
	It's not just on attraction alone.
	And he would take so much.
	I know, we know this, but I don't understand why you're incapable of engaging with this.
	You don't have to be a man in order to engage with the idea that, of course, men are going to be attracted to women who are more fertile.
	And on top of that, I gave you the equation of the same value structure that your dad would like.
	Woman who's four has it, woman who's 10 has it.
	You say he'll pick the woman who's 10.
	I say, great.
	If you'll pick the woman who's 10, why?
	You go, I'm not qualified to answer that.
	That's crazy.
	Well, I'm saying that you said, okay, I said that if the attraction was 10 and 4, maybe he might pick the one who's a 10.
	Why?
	Do they have the same values?
	Why?
	Because maybe he might be whatever.
	But you're not.
	And that's not what I'm saying.
	The whatever is the question.
	The whatever is the question.
	Because of our biological wiring.
	Right.
	So the question is the whatever part.
	Why would he be attracted to the 10 over the 4, even if they have the same values, other than because...
	I can't answer that for him because he doesn't answer questions like...
	Do you have daughters?
	He literally doesn't answer questions like that.
	Do you value them and love them based on how physically beautiful they are?
	No, of course not.
	Why?
	Because I'm looking at the value structure of the human being.
	So do you think God judges and values the women, his daughters, based on 1 through 10 of how they look?
	No.
	No.
	And what does it say in the Bible about what?
	What does that have to do with what makes a man's dick hard, lady?
	What does that have to do with what makes a man's penis go up?
	What does what God values in a woman or a child or what you value in a woman?
	So you're talking about sin and lust.
	No, I'm talking about physical attractiveness.
	Okay, that's what you're talking about.
	No, I'm talking about physical attractiveness.
	You do realize in order to have a baby, you have to have sex.
	Yes, I know.
	But it also says the Bible, if you're supposed to be a Christian, judge a woman based on their men.
	Is this required to be hard for you to have sex?
	Would that require an attractiveness level so that the penis can get hard to have sex to have the baby?
	But I'm not drinking.
	You sure aren't that.
	Andrew, you've been drinking.
	I don't think your future son-in-laws.
	I really hope your future son-in-laws don't treat your daughters the way you treat and think about women.
	I'm pretty sure that's what you're doing father.
	Wait, wait, wait, no, no, no, back up, Becca.
	Can you help me out?
	How do I think about women?
	By saying that there's going to be a physical metric for attractiveness.
	How is it that I'm in any way deviating from any type of Christian virtue?
	Tell me.
	I mean, you know.
	The way you're talking about women, the way you're talking about fertility being the standpoint of woman's value.
	Attractiveness, yes.
	Yeah, but Proverbs 31 mentions a whole list of things as opposed to simply just fertility.
	So God says, and a man wrote that shit.
	Strictly talking about physical attractiveness, and that's it.
	But that's not what men decide.
	Well, at least my father didn't say that that's all that he makes the decision on.
	He's not talking about a woman.
	I think what he's saying is that say that there are two women that both fulfill the Proverbs 31 things, but one is less physically attractive and one is more physically attractive.
	Which would the man go with?
	Say he wasn't married.
	I can't say that he'd pick the 10 because I don't know what the 10 looks like and I don't know what the 4 looks like.
	I don't know what the preference is.
	The 1040s.
	We're not saying that.
	Attraction means nothing.
	All that matters is what the virtues are.
	We all go get 9,000 pound water.
	You know what I mean?
	It's just crazy.
	We're talking specifically about physical attraction.
	Of course, it's going to be tied to fertility.
	Of course, it's going to be tied to fertility.
	Why wouldn't it be?
	You're asking me to think like a man.
	No, I'm not.
	I'm asking you.
	Females are highly competitive with other women when it comes to mate selection.
	I don't know what a man's going to prefer mentally, and you're asking me to answer a question like a man.
	What one would a man prefer?
	How would I know that?
	Do you have to compete?
	Do you have to compete with other females for virtuous men?
	Maybe, but I'm not going to be able to do that.
	Yeah, maybe.
	So you only know what a man would like to think about.
	How would you compete with other women?
	How would you compete with other women for a virtuous man?
	I would ask my father what a man would want.
	And what do you think your father would say?
	Do you think your father would say, well, looking like shit would be the best thing you could do?
	No, that's obviously not.
	No, obviously you're not.
	But that doesn't mean that all I'm saying is it's not like the only thing, but you can't sit here and ask.
	Nobody said it's the only thing.
	How a man thinks is the best thing.
	They're not going to, you're not going to get that response out of them.
	This is a group of women.
	Like they're not going to be thinking.
	Like women don't compete with each other.
	But they do not think like they can't.
	What's your point?
	Because I agree with your argument.
	Okay.
	Fertility plays a part in sexual attractiveness, whatever.
	What's the point?
	The whole point of this was just to state that, yes, we understand that there's virtues that men are after.
	Of course, that's true.
	There's virtues that women should be after, but nowadays it seems like less and less.
	But men, I think, are attracted to virtue.
	I think that that is a big role.
	Really?
	But if we were to take...
	Have you seen The Rise of OnlyFans?
	It's pretty bad.
	But if we were to take virtue out, if we were to take virtue out of the equation and just look at the pure physical and just look at physical attractiveness, we're not looking at all the virtues, this and that, just whatever is aesthetically pleasing.
	That's all we're talking about, physical attractiveness.
	I mean, at the end of the day, like any human being is going to evaluate aesthetics.
	You're going to choose the better-looking car.
	The car might have the same engines.
	It might do the same exact thing.
	But are you going to choose the one that's all scratched up?
	Are you going to choose the brand new shiny one?
	At the end of the day, you want a pretty rock over a cracked up one.
	So if you're asking that, like, it's just human nature to like somebody else.
	Well, this is why I think when this question is asked of women in particular, when they refuse to give a rating, it's because they don't want to be honest.
	And so what they do is they reframe every way that they can.
	But what about this quality, this quality, that quality, that quality?
	And it's like, look, just talking about physical attractiveness in and of itself.
	I understand there's other qualities.
	And maybe even combining those with physical attraction may raise it a point, lower it a point.
	But I think people still, when it comes to physical attractiveness, it's still tied to fertility.
	That's why men are attracted to younger women.
	Why wouldn't that be the case?
	It makes complete sense.
	So I don't understand why women are incapable of rating themselves unless they just don't want to give the answer to that.
	Because it's a matter of how, what do the men perceive as beautiful or attractive?
	And that can vary from man to man.
	And then like Keisha was saying, you're asking us to kind of think along with that.
	I don't think women are ignorant to this.
	I think that women have a different probably standard for what they think is beautiful and attractive versus men.
	Like I think that women would wear skin and probably judge aesthetics and maybe men might be looking at utility side.
	Oh, you would have to look at the standard on both edges.
	So for you to perceive the beauty of women, there's no way for you to say that you wouldn't be influenced on how men perceive women.
	I don't see how that's...
	Yes, I would be.
	Yeah, of course you would.
	So I don't think women are ignorant of this.
	Asking a woman to delineate that.
	I'm not saying it's all asking her to behave like a woman.
	I'm just saying that I think most women.
	Because asking her to delineate the information that a man would tell a woman is asking her to be a feminist and think like a feminist.
	A woman is not going to feminism doesn't mean canceling.
	A woman is not going to assess herself the way that a man assesses a woman.
	You didn't ask him to.
	You just asked her.
	Nope.
	I asked her to rate herself based on what she thinks.
	Okay, though.
	That would be the opposite of what I'm asking her what men think.
	I'm saying that men have standards.
	Yes, we know men have standards.
	Because men have standards, that is going to inform your opinion on how you rate yourself.
	But they're not going to think of it the way that a man would.
	So you asking her to rate herself based on what she thinks.
	Okay, herself.
	That's different than to what a man.
	Yes, I know, which is why we asked her that.
	I mean, beauty is in the eye of the beholder, like at the end of the day.
	Right, it is.
	So you can say you're a 10, you can say you're a one.
	It doesn't really matter because everybody has a different view on it.
	So at the end of the day, it doesn't matter.
	So the question that you're asking is, it just doesn't matter in our mind.
	Yeah, well, then it doesn't matter.
	One guy could rate a girl as a seven, and another guy could rate her as an eight, and another guy could rate her as a two, and another guy could rate her as a nine.
	And it depends on what that guy finds attractive.
	But wasn't it asking what we thought of ourselves?
	Yes.
	Yes.
	I mean, I think it's to be a little bit more.
	Yeah, but then for him to say that it's not realistic in the eyes of men.
	So the point is that.
	No, I'm just saying that your self-assessment will be informed also by men.
	That's the point.
	But I think it also shows, are you affected by delusion?
	Yes.
	Yes.
	To just pretend it does not exist.
	And that, oh, I can't.
	Well, no one said it didn't exist.
	I don't know.
	That's not the thing.
	No, no, no.
	But like when people hyper-conflate their looks, well, then they would also expect to possibly match with somebody who they think are their equivalent.
	But if you're honest with yourself, then you're going to match yourself and not have this hyper-conflated idea of what you're going to go after.
	That's understandable.
	I agree with that.
	So that's why they're trying to just gauge a sense of delusion.
	Yeah, I understand that.
	But there was a mention of a man's perspective, and that's all that I said was not to matter.
	Of a man's perspective was to say how you end up ultimately determining what your value is one through ten, and it's arbitrary.
	Nobody says it's not, is at least somewhat going to be informed and how the opposite sex perceives you and what you've witnessed the opposite sex considering to be attractive or unattractive.
	That's what's going to be true because that's how information in your brain works.
	Internalized male gaze, as said by someone on the right.
	No, that's not an internalized maze.
	Oh, yeah, it is.
	You just argued that we look at ourselves through the male.
	I'm saying that we look at no, I didn't.
	Yes, you did.
	You said, how do you know you're attractive if you don't have a mental health?
	I said it can assist you in making an informed self-assessment.
	But the same would be true the opposite way.
	So is that an informed female gaze?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	There's a female gaze too.
	Okay, so then if that's the case, then we're talking about nothing.
	We're just talking about objective reality.
	I know, but some people argue that the male gaze doesn't exist.
	Well, it depends on how you're defining.
	Men have an internal gaze.
	If you just define what the male gaze is.
	You have concurred with me that women have a fertilized perception of what men think.
	Well, it's going to help inform it.
	There's no way around it.
	You know, earlier when you asked me what disadvantages me when I'm born a woman, that.
	I have to wake up in the morning and do my thing.
	Why?
	Did you just say men?
	Because I have an internal motion.
	You just said that men suffer from the same thing, which means that, again, you just negated your own.
	Yeah, but the one for men, men value fertility much higher than women do.
	Do you see men doing their makeup?
	No, they don't.
	So they look more fertile.
	Women.
	Yeah.
	No.
	Women do because the internalized male gaze is way stronger than the internalized female gaze.
	Let's prove it.
	I just did.
	How?
	Women do makeup.
	Women dress way nicer.
	Women do their necks.
	Men wear nice clothes and they try to get high status and they try to get tons and tons of money and they try to do all those things.
	That's the female gaze is money.
	And there are so many people.
	So what?
	So I don't understand how it's not.
	Listen to this.
	Because of the feminist movement these days, women will go for ugly, broke men, but men are not going for ugly women.
	Obviously, they're not.
	What women are going for ugly, broke men?
	What women are out there going for ugly, broke men?
	Almost none.
	The ones with no dads.
	That's not what this dad, like you, so you go for ugly, broke men?
	For real, yeah.
	My ex.
	My ex?
	Yeah.
	I'm not ashamed of me.
	But what I'm saying.
	My point was, as someone on the right, you admit that women have a male gaze inside of them.
	They can see how men are human beings.
	And that internalization is already a negative effect.
	What I'm saying is that every human being who exists, regardless of where they're at in the world, if there's other human beings who are around them, it's going to inform their opinion of themselves and their opinion of the surrounding.
	But one of them is the full standards of the male gender.
	But that would be true the opposite way too, which would make you a misandrist.
	No, it is true the opposite way, but I'm saying that the male standards are so much higher than the female standards.
	Prove that.
	I will say.
	Where's the proof for that claim?
	I will say that a lot of male standards.
	No, no, no.
	Where's the proof to that claim?
	I will say that a lot of male standards are very looks-based because the fertility importance is much higher in women, you know, because they're the ones that are carrying a child.
	And so when that sort of standard lapses, as they get older and everything, then it's like, okay, my value, just boom.
	But men.
	Because it does go boom.
	Exactly.
	Yeah, and for men.
	For men, it doesn't.
	Yeah, but it's a trade-off.
	Because in younger ages, for men, they don't have as much power in order to attract their mate.
	So it's a trade-off both ways.
	So to say that it's more keen in one than the other, you'd have to demonstrate that to me.
	It's just, I think it's...
	And you'd have to demonstrate it to me the opposite way.
	I think it is more confining when it's just a mistake.
	I wouldn't need to falsify it.
	I would just negate it.
	Do you think that men only pick women to be with or marry based on how high they are on that one through ten numbering system?
	No.
	No, but I don't know.
	So why is that so important?
	Because I suspect that men who enter into matrimony with a woman want to have children.
	And in order to do that, they have to be able to perform in the bedroom.
	And in order to do that, they have to have some semblance of attraction to the person they're having sex with.
	Do you agree or disagree?
	Well, yeah.
	Well, yeah.
	So I don't understand why you asked me.
	Some semblance, but we're not talking about every like every guy isn't going to marry a 10.
	Every girl isn't going to marry a 10.
	Most guys are never going to marry a 10, and most women are not 10s to marry.
	Okay, so why use that value if that's not the only thing that people are going to judge when they're choosing a life partner?
	Why is that so important?
	We're not saying that's the only value.
	We're asking specifically only on the one criteria of the physical.
	We're not saying that other values don't exist.
	Tens of thousands of other values exist.
	All sorts of little nuances and niches exist for different behaviors that you're interested in.
	We're purely talking about I want you to rate your wife one to ten then.
	Okay, as soon as you rate your husband one to ten.
	No, rate your wife.
	As soon as you rate your husband, you went around.
	Hold on, you don't want to answer.
	Answer the question.
	You went around and you want all these women to rate themselves, right?
	So rate your wife.
	On pure physical attractiveness at her age, my wife is about a six.
	Now rate your husband.
	I would do it.
	Your turn.
	I don't know.
	Yeah, I don't know what I thought.
	That's right.
	No, I told you, I don't use a never.
	The distinction between honesty and a liar.
	Are you saying rate him physically?
	Yes.
	Physically only.
	Not on my physically.
	Yes.
	That's what the rating scale is.
	Do it.
	I just did.
	Do it.
	You can't do it.
	I'm not doing that.
	Yeah, that's right.
	You're not fucking.
	It's disrespectful.
	Totally dishonest.
	No.
	Demands it from me, refuses to say it or not.
	You're the one setting the standards.
	My wife's literally watching it.
	Guarantee you she's not upset at all, but you can't answer the question.
	I think it's a disrespectful question.
	Why?
	Because I think that's her own values if she doesn't want to answer.
	Right, but demands that the other person does.
	Yeah, because you're the one saying, you're the one asking a table full of women to rate themselves.
	Doctors rate themselves.
	So wait a second.
	I'm asking a table full of women to make a self-assessment based on pure physical qualities.
	Right.
	And you say this is an impossibility to begin with.
	Okay, well, granted.
	Then you said, fine, I'll call you out.
	Rate your wife.
	Okay, I did.
	Rate your husband.
	No.
	No, I'm not going to rate her.
	It's fucking pathetic.
	It's not pathetic.
	That is pathetic.
	I think it's disrespectful.
	So I would be a hypocrite to then rate her on a number.
	You're a hypocrite now because you made the demand you yourself won't fulfill.
	Right, because my point is it's disrespectful.
	And I think the fact that you're rating your wife even with that is disrespectful.
	You know, why is it disrespectful?
	How do you think she rates herself?
	Maybe she rated herself this way 15 times and I'm using her rating.
	Well, I think that's sad.
	Why?
	Because you should probably rate her a 10.
	She's yourself.
	What do you rate yourself?
	Because you ain't as good looking as she is, honey.
	Okay, well, that's fine.
	I'm just saying.
	That's your opinion.
	That's not necessary.
	It is necessary.
	That's your opinion.
	No, no, no.
	This is exactly why I said the rating, the question of rating yourself was from a men's perspective.
	A woman's not going to answer the way that you want her to because, in the end, the conclusion that you're coming to is not what they're calculating.
	So it's already an unfair.
	It's not unfair.
	It is unfair.
	How can men can make those self-assessments then?
	No, I'm not talking about because what you're asking right now, the line of questioning that you're going down, the end result, is completely different to what is being discussed amongst the ones that the women that are answering.
	And even what you mentioned, coming down to, oh, the delusion or whatever.
	It's like, that's not what they're even thinking about.
	The question is not.
	I'm not thinking about that.
	The women answering, when they're like, oh, what are you rating yourself?
	They're not thinking about, oh, well, am I delusional?
	You just asked what they rate.
	You're not delusional.
	I'm not going to think about that.
	And I'm not, I'm not.
	Hey, I said four.
	I could care less.
	But the four.
	So if you get a six, that's going up, right?
	That's good.
	Yeah, but the fact is, what you're looking for the answer for, they're clearly not thinking.
	And what's being displayed very clearly here is chess versus checkers.
	Just like I said at the beginning, the outcome that you're looking for is not what's understood in the initial questioning outcomes.
	What am I looking for?
	Well, what you mentioned about, you know, the delusions and no, I'm saying that that's why they asked that.
	I understand that's why I'm not asking for anything.
	I just answered the question.
	No, I wasn't posting.
	It was a correct.
	It was a correct answer.
	I understand that's where it was going.
	But I'm saying that that's not what's understood in a woman's mind when you ask, what are you rating yourself and why?
	That's not what it, that's that's exactly what I'm saying.
	Yeah, but I don't, I don't, so this is.
	The whole argument is that's the point.
	The whole argument here is nonsense.
	No, it's not.
	What you're saying the argument is is nonsense.
	No, because what tell me, what could possibly bar you from giving a self-assessment on what you think your rating is for attractiveness?
	That's different than the outcome that you're doing.
	That's a distinction with no merit.
	What's barring?
	Everyone gave an answer.
	What's bar?
	No, they didn't.
	But what's barring you from giving an assessment of your own personal attractiveness?
	Nothing.
	Everyone gave an assessment of personal attractiveness save Millie, I think.
	Yeah, so then everybody.
	So then that would not be everybody then?
	Okay, except for Millie.
	Yeah, except for the person who didn't.
	Who you said it's impossible for her to do it.
	I never said it's impossible for her to do it.
	Well, technically, I couldn't say that.
	I never said it was impossible for her to rate herself.
	I said, let's say the outcome they're looking for at the end of the whole line of questioning is not where their mind's going to go.
	So ultimately, at the end of the day, every answer is going to seem delusional.
	They're not looking at it.
	They don't all seem delusional.
	Well, a lot of the times it does.
	What does that have to do with anything?
	Just like I said, it's not the same line of thinking.
	It is the same line of thinking.
	I don't understand.
	What's the distinction between a man giving a self-assessment and a woman giving a self-assessment?
	The reason is different.
	What is the reason?
	Well, your reason, you're talking about the fertility and the physicality or whatever, like being attractive and things like that.
	The same reasoning that women would have.
	Actually, that's not what was said earlier.
	No, no, no, no.
	What's being said is they try to displace the actual question and say, I'm going to go for everything except what is physical.
	Women don't think like that.
	No, they do think like that.
	One thing women do think like is how attractive am I.
	Yes, that's not what I'm talking about, though.
	That's not a problem.
	It is what you're talking about.
	No, because no, that is not what I'm talking about.
	Then what are you talking about?
	That's not how they gauge attractiveness.
	A lot of women will gauge attractiveness based on how they feel or what they think benefits them emotionally or mentally or whatever.
	It's not just physicality.
	Yes, but we're asking the question of pure physicality, and I don't think that women are so irrational they can't answer the question based on the storytelling.
	That has nothing to do with irrationality.
	And everybody answered, like I said, except for Millie.
	What I'm saying is the end result that you're looking for is.
	And do you think you were accurate?
	Do you think you were accurate in your assessment?
	That has nothing to do with what I'm saying.
	Well, it has something to do with what I'm saying.
	Do you think you were accurate with your assessment?
	I'm just deflecting from what I'm saying.
	I'm not deflecting at all.
	I'm asking a direct question.
	Do you think your assessment was accurate?
	I'm not a man.
	I don't know how a man would rate me.
	You can ask your audience.
	I don't care.
	It hasn't.
	So you don't know?
	I said four.
	I stand by four.
	I don't care.
	And do you think it's accurate?
	Doesn't matter if I think it's accurate or not.
	A man might agree with you.
	Why would you give a number if you don't think it's accurate?
	That's not what I said.
	I said I gave a four.
	I stand by four.
	I said, if a man agrees, I'm not going to, I don't know if a man's going to agree or not.
	He might agree, he might not agree.
	But you gave the number, so clearly you think the number's accurate, right?
	I said four.
	Do you think that's accurate?
	Because if you don't think it's accurate, why would you give the number?
	I said, would you rather she not give one at all?
	I don't actually understand the conversation.
	No, you're deflecting from the initial point here, which is that you asked a question that you know women will answer differently based on how they feel and are going in a completely different direction in the end about something completely different that men portray in a different way.
	Yeah, but the question becomes: is it because they're being honest or not?
	Or if it's really because they're just irrational, like you're claiming.
	It's a completely different line of thinking, and it doesn't matter if nobody says they're not thinking about it along different lines, but that doesn't mean that they're still not being dishonest or they're being honest.
	How are they being dishonest about what they do?
	Because I've seen 250-pound fat, obese whales sitting right there saying they're 10.
	Is anybody here 250?
	Again, and now you're deflecting women here right now.
	That just feels like a lot of people.
	I've seen those women do that, and clearly they're being dishonest.
	And when questioned, it's obvious they're being dishonest.
	That's why.
	Okay, but we're yeah, you're so you're basing our argument right now based on previous assessments.
	Are you asking people about opinion of ourselves?
	It's an empirical question.
	It's an empirical question.
	No, this is the problem.
	This is the contradiction.
	Tell us about the question.
	No, but then he just said you're being dishonest.
	No, I didn't say you're being dishonest.
	No, no, you did.
	You literally said.
	You literally never said anybody's being dishonest.
	A woman sitting there looking like a whale, rating herself 10, and you're saying she's being dishonest.
	Through inquiry, I said through inquiry, we discovered she was being dishonest.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	What do you mean by through inquiry?
	Like I asked a bunch of questions and she answered them and came to the conclusion she was being dishonest.
	He inquired.
	Okay.
	So she was the one who said, oh, no, I'm not valuable.
	Yeah.
	Well, she literally said she said, okay, physically, yes, it's true.
	I'm blah, right?
	But emotionally, I'm a 10, or metaphysically, I'm a 10, or whatever.
	Yes, through inquiry.
	Inquisition.
	It was discovered that she was not being very honest.
	Yes.
	I think that men are going to be the best judges of how attractive they find women at the end of the day.
	Well, we got a chat here from Alex.
	Alex says, I enjoy your Christian views.
	Oh, hey, baby check.
	Thank you for the gifted.
	Gifted 20 memberships.
	Appreciate it, man.
	Andrew, but you lose me when you start acting petty, ignorant, and belittling of these women.
	If you want your message to be heard, is this tone policing?
	I don't know.
	The delivery is matters.
	Stop simping, Alex.
	Dude, chill out.
	Stop simping, Alex.
	He has some rule views.
	Is that Mary?
	It's a room full of crazy feminists.
	Let's see you do better.
	I'm not a feminist.
	Yes, you're a feminist.
	I am absolutely a feminist.
	You absolutely are a feminist.
	No, I'm not.
	You're an egalitarian.
	I'm not a feminist.
	Harder feminist than I am.
	I'm not a feminist.
	Yes, you are.
	I'm not a feminist.
	Then what is feminism?
	Wait, can I ask you a question?
	Here, let's.
	Are we having an argument?
	Sit there.
	Why do we have the argument?
	Go ahead.
	I'm not a feminist.
	Where did Maddie go?
	So I'll agree with her definition.
	Feminism is the movement.
	I'm not a feminist.
	Don't even go there.
	You don't get to say what I asked.
	I just did.
	I just did.
	It's the movement towards egalitarianism between men and women inside society.
	How do you delineate from that?
	I have a question.
	Do you think that anyway?
	So back to this.
	How do you delineate from that?
	Anyway.
	How do you delineate from that?
	I'm not answering your question.
	Yeah, that's right.
	You literally just made a false claim against a feminist, and I'm not.
	You are a feminist.
	Okay, so I'll define feminism.
	Penguin.
	I'll define feminism.
	Penguin.
	Yeah, I mean, he's just making things worse.
	Let's have the argument.
	The delineation, or we'll allocate feminism.
	Let's not bring aquatic animals into this conversation.
	Go ahead, Anne.
	A feminist The movement towards the egalitarian equality of men and women.
	How do you differ from a feminist?
	Because I'm not.
	I don't believe in feminism.
	That doesn't tell me anything.
	How do you differ from the movement of egalitarianism that's not antithetical to feminism?
	Right, I'm not a feminist.
	So how do you delineate from the movement of the egalitarianism between men and women?
	If you think she's wrong, why don't you provide solutions?
	Why don't you let us have the argument without interjecting?
	Because men provide solutions.
	And women be silent while they do.
	Go ahead.
	I've not heard you provide a single solution.
	I think it's hilarious.
	The solution is to, yeah, I did multiple times.
	I already said we should limit suffrage.
	We should limit the women's right to vote.
	We should do all sorts of different things.
	I gave tons of solutions.
	You just have a selective memory because you are interjecting again when there's an argument that doesn't even include you.
	Go ahead.
	I'm not a feminist.
	Okay, so how do you differ from this ideology?
	I don't know if you're defining what I am and am not.
	I get to define what feminism is.
	This isn't something that you're not going to do.
	Then give me a definition.
	Give me a definition of feminism.
	What is it?
	What I am.
	Fine.
	Then what is the definition of feminism?
	How do you differ from that?
	I don't know.
	Because I'm not a feminist.
	You don't.
	I'm not a feminist.
	Wait a second.
	Do you know what a feminist is if you don't know the definition?
	Is that a cup?
	How do you know you're not a cup?
	I mean, it's male.
	That makes no sense.
	How do you differ from feminists in ideology if it's the movement towards the egalitarian equality of men and women?
	Yeah, it's just nothing.
	I'm not a feminist.
	I already do.
	Yeah, I know.
	I don't believe.
	I believe in traditional roles, man and woman, marriage and women.
	And if a transgender was sitting where you are, they would be like, I'm not a man.
	I'm a woman.
	No, that's not.
	Look, it's not even the same.
	I don't even understand.
	It is exactly the same.
	So how do you delineate that?
	I'm claiming I'm something.
	Okay, so I'll just ask again, so that I don't strawman any positions.
	Do you agree that feminism is the movement of egalitarianism between men and women?
	You're wrong because the goal of feminism is to reach full equality.
	Not arguing.
	That is not what you're saying.
	I'm not afraid of the time, please.
	Thank you.
	Go ahead.
	But which should actually create?
	I still don't see how you are the one who made a claim.
	Here's the thing.
	You made a claim.
	You are a feminist.
	Wait, wait, wait.
	And I backed my claim up with the definition and said you don't delineate from the definition.
	Okay, well, then give me a counter definition.
	How you delineate from it?
	Just because you think a woman should be able to vote doesn't mean you're a feminist.
	Okay, great.
	Feminism, do you agree, is the movement of egalitarianism between men and women or not?
	I would say yes.
	Okay.
	How do you delineate from that?
	That's what I thought.
	She wants the preservation of social norms for men and women.
	That's what I thought.
	And that is not what feminists want.
	I do.
	No, no, I think that.
	Good lord.
	I think that for you to sit there and just claim I'm something I'm not issuing.
	You just did.
	I just said, is that the definition?
	You said yes.
	I said, how do you delineate?
	Nothing.
	Yeah, because you didn't give me a chance.
	Okay, I'll give you a chance.
	You didn't give me a chance to.
	Okay, I'm giving you a chance.
	Okay, because you don't know all of my beliefs.
	Okay, give me the belief set that on marriage, on gender roles, on the role of a man.
	Still waiting for the belief delineation.
	What is it?
	Okay.
	What?
	Waiting for that delineation from feminism.
	What is it?
	He's asking you how you deviate from that.
	How do I deviate from feminism?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Well, I believe that women should be mothers and prioritize a motherhood role over a career.
	And that's one thing I think that feminists would probably disagree with.
	Okay, but you would also agree that there's many feminists who would agree that that's just fine if mothers want to prioritize that.
	Maybe.
	Yeah, okay, so what actually delineates your ideology from the feminist ideology of egalitarianism?
	That women should submit to their husbands.
	That women should submit to their husbands.
	Okay, and their husbands submit first to God.
	Okay.
	So maybe there's, if that's true, and we'll get into that next.
	Now this is more interesting.
	So when you say submission, what do you mean?
	They should submit to their husbands.
	What does that mean?
	Like, they should trust their husband's judgment in the home.
	And basically, to a certain degree, they should trust his judgment and allow him to make some of the decisions.
	But I think that it kind of becomes one of those things where it's not that the woman doesn't have a say, but it's that they should submit to the husband.
	What if he says, no, you have no say?
	Well, I guess the thing you'd have to think about is: is his decision-making in line with God's, with what God says and what the Bible says?
	Well, the Bible says to submit to the consciousness.
	If it's something that would be good.
	Well, here's an example.
	If your husband said that you should go and say, do it on OnlyFans, right?
	Would you say that a woman should submit to that?
	Well, that wouldn't be an actual Christian marriage at that point, right?
	Right.
	So at that point, he would be deviating from God's law.
	And so a woman should not, in that case,.
	Yeah, yeah.
	If you're in a Christian marriage, though, he's a Christian, you're a Christian.
	He's not going to be asking you to do OnlyFans.
	Right.
	Okay, so should you submit even if he's long as what he's saying is in line with God?
	Well, let's say he says with the Bible, with teaching.
	Let's say he says something like this.
	Let's say he comes to you and you guys are discussing finances and he goes, actually, we're just going to do everything this way, and I don't give a shit what you have to say about it.
	And I'm emptying out your account tomorrow, and I'm going to do what I want with the money, and you need to just deal with it.
	Are you going to just shut up and take that?
	I already let my husband do what he wants with my account.
	Right now, do you have your own account?
	It's a joint.
	He's on it, and he does whatever he wants to it.
	Okay, well, maybe there's a slight deviation then, which is that you'll allow for some sort of submission.
	Yeah, allow for him to look at my phone.
	I look at his phone.
	I can do, you know, he can do whatever he wants on my accounts.
	Do you think that women should be forced to submit in marriage?
	I think that women should always be able to, to some degree, have the right to choose and have a right of consent.
	Basically, a man shouldn't be able to force himself on a woman.
	Yeah, of course not.
	A man shouldn't be, like, basically, if a man's like, I want to have, you know, what tonight, and she's like, you know, no, she has a right to say no, right?
	She has a right to choose.
	Do you believe that there's implied consent in a marriage?
	What do you mean?
	Like, like your husband rolls over in the morning and you're still asleep and he plows you.
	Did he, did he do it?
	Were you essayed?
	No.
	No.
	But if you don't, legally, there's already implied death in the law.
	If you were saying, no, stop, no, stop, then I would say that it was rape.
	Okay.
	As soon as the woman starts, it's implied consent.
	As soon as a woman says no, it's no longer consent, right?
	Can I just ask, how do y'all's view of feminism influence your expectations for dating and marriage and all that sort of stuff?
	Also, I just want to say that.
	So I just want to say, wait, really quick.
	I'm not going to let you get away with it because you called me a feminist.
	You are a feminist.
	How am I a feminist?
	Because the only thing that you could come up with, the only thing that you could come up with, and by the way, feminists.
	You can't just make it claim that.
	Also, feminists who make claims that they're Christians will also make a claim for submission.
	They'll say, I'll do it within the context of religiosity.
	But when it comes to society itself, you want to see the egalitarian movement of men and women, and you've said it over and over and over and over.
	I did not say that.
	Okay, well then give me a deviation, which is not personal, but is a societal prescription.
	A societal prescription.
	Okay, here's what I'll say.
	I would say that my belief set as far as relationships go is very traditional in that I totally believe in the dynamics of the man fulfilling the male role, the woman fulfilling the female role, and those being very defined in that belief has nothing to do with an egalitarian prescription for society.
	What sorts of things do you think, as far as egalitarianism in society, would you move away from when it comes to men and women under the law or under any type of social patriarchy?
	Like, here's a good example.
	Do you support a patriarchy?
	Yes.
	Yes.
	To a certain degree, yeah.
	What does that mean, though?
	A certain degree?
	I believe that men should be allowed to be masculine and fully in brain.
	No, patriarchy means men are in charge.
	I believe in traditional roles.
	Patriarchy means chivalry.
	Patriarchy means the father, right?
	Men are in charge.
	That's what it means.
	So if men are in charge and women can't be in charge, is that okay with you?
	I don't think that that's how it naturally happens in the nuclear family unit, though, to a certain degree, because women do have say in matter.
	They do have a say in matters.
	It's not that a woman never has a say in any matter.
	Do you think a woman should be able to be president?
	I feel like that's kind of what he's asking.
	President or like just a large leadership role, something like that, right?
	Is that what you're asking?
	Are you saying that all women, this is my question, are you saying that all women legally what we can't do that men can't do?
	My question is, so you're saying, okay, so not only should women not vote, but they shouldn't be able to hold any type of a job.
	They shouldn't be able to hold any political positions.
	Political positions, no.
	Okay, so why would they be expected to work and provide, which is a role that a male is supposed to perform for his family, but not be able to vote?
	We don't expect them to work inside of a patriarchal system.
	Okay, so you're saying the women should be allowed to work, though?
	They should be allowed to work.
	That doesn't mean that they should have to work.
	Okay.
	So how is that not a feminist belief then?
	How is that a feminist belief?
	Because I'm telling you that I endorse a patriarchal system.
	Patriarchal systems traditionally have protected women.
	If women are working, though, wouldn't that be considered the job of the man?
	There could be interest that they have.
	Or they might need a little part-time cash or something like this.
	But if you contracted 50% of the workforce, which would be female tomorrow, wages would fucking skyrocket.
	I guarantee you men would be making a lot more money.
	So the question becomes, if you're inside of a patriarchal system, the patriarchy itself is in charge.
	Women can't hold political office at all.
	They say, no, you're not allowed to hold political office, which was the tradition of the United States.
	No, you're not allowed to vote, which was the tradition of the United States.
	What's your problem with that?
	Well, you realize that the United States is a corporation, right?
	No, it's not.
	Yes, it is.
	No, it's not.
	That's a sovereign citizen bullshit.
	No, it actually is a corporation.
	No, it's not a corporation.
	It is a corporation.
	What type of corporation?
	It is a corporation.
	What type of corporation?
	Is it an S Corp?
	Is it an S corporation?
	Oh, gosh.
	Okay, so what I'm getting at here is, so women should be able to work and fulfill roles at corporations and at jobs, but they shouldn't be able to fulfill.
	I said can they shouldn't be able to fulfill political role in office?
	Can is different than should.
	You realize this, right?
	So if I say should, that means ought to do.
	If I say can, means capable of.
	So yes, women should be capable of working and should be able to work if they choose to work, but doesn't mean they should work.
	There's a distinction between those two words.
	When you're living inside of, again, a patriarchal society, what would your actual problem with a patriarchal society be?
	Or do you have none?
	My actual deviation would just be more along the lines of traditional nuclear family roles.
	Why would that not exist inside of a patriarchy?
	Because that's not what we're seeing today.
	We're seeing the feminist movement of today.
	We're seeing women pushing for young girls to never get married, to just stay sexually promiscuous and just go get a job in gender studies.
	I thought you said we live in a benevolent patriarchy where you guys allow us to vote.
	Yes, you did.
	I said the best thing about a benevolent patriarchy is that they don't use the enforcement army.
	Saying the best thing about something implies that it exists.
	I'll get back to you.
	You just told me to stop talking about it.
	Until I finish this.
	Anyway, go ahead.
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	Now, Kim, now we're going to have an engagement now that we're done with this one.
	Just a sec.
	Kill of cereal, pick 6'2, 180k a year, fit 8-inch PP, but has a horrible world outlook, bad attitude in general.
	Hide that, Nick.
	5'2, 30k a year, chubby, 5'4-inch PP, has a positive outlook and oozes confidence in swagger.
	So pick one of the two.
	And then why?
	Quick answers if you can, please go.
	6'2, D1 babies.
	Okay.
	I don't even know what you just said.
	The short one, so then I don't have a negative life 24-7 around me.
	Dang, that's crazy.
	Neither.
	No, you gotta pick one.
	No, I like neither.
	God is not in the equation of either of us.
	You gotta, though.
	You gotta.
	I can't.
	Like, I wouldn't.
	God has not.
	Somebody has a gun.
	Somebody has.
	Yo, Marcus, thank you for the 20 gifted memberships.
	Somebody has an AK-47.
	A bazooka.
	Dude, he's got a bazooka to your head.
	I'm dying with honor.
	Okay, what about your whole family?
	And you got to pick one.
	Otherwise, your whole family gets wiped out.
	I mean, if I picked up the damage, you're going to die anyways.
	You wouldn't do the sacrifice?
	You wouldn't do the sacrifice for your family?
	I mean, if I picked one of those guys, my family would probably die anyway.
	All right, what about you?
	Yeah, I'd probably pick the 6'2 guy because I'm tall.
	Okay.
	Shoot, I really don't know.
	And this is genuinely, I apologize.
	I agree with you, but I guess if we're going off of morals and whatnot, I would go with morally, but looks are really, really nice, but I think morals just trumpet just.
	So you pick the 5'2 guy.
	Unfortunately, if you force me to choose, you know.
	Okay, that's fine.
	What's the question again?
	Tall, rich, fit, large peen, terrible person, horrible world outlook and bad attitude in general, or 5'2, 30k a year, chubby, four-inch peen, but positive outlook and oozes confidence and swagger.
	Ooh, the second one.
	Okay.
	Well, yeah, first guy.
	The who one?
	The first guy.
	First guy.
	The second guy.
	Second guy.
	Could I change my answer actually to the first guy?
	I'm sorry I wasn't like totally.
	So why?
	Well, just because I heard you reread it again.
	And I, you know, didn't process fully.
	What was it that made you switch?
	I do think that there's a provider aspect as well to the first guy and anything.
	That was the paycheck.
	It's not even a paycheck, but like.
	He's 6'2, he's fit.
	We talked about an aspect of taking care of himself, and that gives self-assurance that already radiates confidence, you know?
	And so I can respect a lot of those aspects, but, you know.
	All right, we have Rose, given the implied consent stance scenarios that the man is asleep and the woman hops on.
	The man said the night before he wanted to conserve his seed.
	She keeps going despite his ass to stop.
	Is that essay?
	Yes.
	Quick answer on this.
	Yes.
	Yes.
	Oh.
	Oh, for the whole table, I guess.
	Yeah, okay.
	We'll go around the table.
	I mean, if he said to stop, like, she should stop.
	But I mean, I don't know.
	If he said stop, she should stop.
	Um, yeah.
	Yes.
	Um living under score donated $200.
	Andrew, explain why you believe tone and delivery aren't important in debate.
	I understand it doesn't change the logic of your argument, but acting as toe it doesn't matter is literally retarded.
	The only reason that you think that is because it's women being made uncomfortable.
	If this was the tone with men, which you take all the time, you'd be in the audience fucking cheering me like you probably already have.
	It's only because it's women being made uncomfortable, and that makes you a simp, sir.
	No, he just understands that women don't understand things at a certain tone.
	It sounds like you understand it fine.
	Well, no, a lot of women, though, I was raised by a single father.
	All right, so you just capable of rationality just mostly.
	And I still don't understand a lot of times if you approach a woman emotionally or in a tone that arguments aren't for you.
	It's for the thousands of people watching.
	Yeah, but.
	I don't care if I change your mind or not.
	No, but the fact is, if you approach a conversation with a certain tone that is offensive to women, most of their brains turn off.
	Good.
	but they're the ones that need to learn it's because they're not gonna Listen, do you think that there's anything that I can say to a woman who's a libertarian feminist to explain to her that she's actually a libertarian feminist and not a right-wing conservative, regardless of my fucking tone?
	No.
	There's nothing.
	Nothing I can say.
	Well, here's the thing: there's nothing I can say to a condescending asshole to tell him I'm not a feminist and he'll say it all you want, but I mean, Jesus did it.
	I mean, he looked to people with his words.
	Yeah, and he called him pit of vipers and he called him Pharisees and he ran him out of temple after he fashioned a whip.
	How do you know when he talked to women like?
	You mean when he told a woman to listen, listen.
	I don't see that.
	I don't see how you're convincing.
	Jesus didn't talk to women in a mean way.
	I don't care if I convince you.
	It's not for you.
	My arguments aren't to convince you.
	They're to refute your arguments.
	I like the way that he speaks.
	I feel like it gives me more leeway to be mean or back.
	Good.
	And that's exactly what I'm saying.
	By the way, that's also a good idea.
	That's why it is a problem, though, because I understand that I'm a very masculine woman because of, you know, no dad.
	So I'm very comfortable with acting that way.
	However, lots of other women, like she has just said, are scared of retaliation from men and are scared of talking to men in a similar tone if that tone is taken.
	So they're afraid of men.
	It's not about.
	It said has nothing to do with feelings.
	Do you think they think I'm going to go beat them up?
	No.
	Like, what are you talking about?
	No, But over time, that's kind of something that's naturally ingrained in you.
	It's like I said with a male gaze.
	Maybe you're not going to beat me up, but like 200 years ago, you would have stoned me to death.
	And, you know, that tends to travel over decades.
	And so your ancestor, maybe possibly getting stoned to death a thousand years ago means something to you.
	You know, generational trauma.
	No, I don't know what that's not your point.
	That was the point you just made.
	The point is that in general, women are less likely to talk that most women knowing that women are less likely to inspire.
	Most women are never made to feel uncomfortable by a man.
	And so when they are, a lot of women panic and freak the fuck out.
	Exactly.
	Whereas a man in that situation would attack that.
	A lot of men also panic and freak out.
	But I don't understand.
	If the feminist egalitarian belief is that we're fucking equal and interchangeable widgets, then be uncomfortable.
	Be made uncomfortable.
	I'm saying I understand.
	And you're the only part of this that's been entertaining so far.
	I think that you kind of represent like the what is the polar opposite to the feminists in an opposite end of the spectrum where the feminists represent a very radicalized, toxic version of femininity, and what you're representing is a very toxic masculinity.
	Go ahead.
	Go ahead.
	Radicalized.
	No, I'm not going to say that.
	Yes, you were.
	You are representing a very radicalized version of what it is to be a man.
	If I'm on the right.
	And you are speaking in such a way that is very condescending.
	If I'm on the extreme end of toxic femininity, that would make it what?
	Finish the sentence for me.
	Toxic masculinity, right?
	If it's at the extreme end to the toxic feminist, wouldn't that be toxic masculinity?
	What you're essentially espousing here are what I'm getting at is very radical beliefs.
	No, they're not radical.
	They aren't in line.
	What makes them radical?
	They're not in the middle and they're not in line.
	The only thing that makes it.
	And most people's belief sets are, you'd say the majority of the population's belief sets are going to be in that center range.
	And then you have some of the people who are like super ultra-radical on both sides.
	What do you say about people who are not going to be able to do that?
	But I would say that they're both toxic.
	Andrew, may I end this toxic to the nuclear family?
	What do you think that, do you think that people who call Alex Jones' beliefs radical or correct?
	Probably.
	I want to hear Aiden's question.
	No, I want to answer to mine.
	Do you think that people who call Alex Jones' beliefs radical are correct?
	I'm not talking about Alex Jones.
	The reason I bring Alex Jones up and his beliefs and whether or not they're radical is because there's millions upon millions of people who say that they're radical beliefs.
	Are they wrong?
	And just calling something radical, by the way, leftist tactic, just calling my beliefs radical without refuting them.
	I can refute it.
	I'm trying to explain right now is there's more centric beliefs and then there's beliefs that you would see on opposite sides of the world.
	That's an argument at populum.
	An opposite side of a spectrum.
	That's an argument ad populum.
	But what I would say is that both sides, when you're way too much on this crazy deranged, I hate men spectrum versus this other very degrading, I hate women spectrum.
	Women, you know.
	Or did you ever come up with that?
	Well, you're saying women shouldn't be able to vote.
	Why does that mean that you hate them?
	Andrew, can I ask you a question?
	Do you think felons should be able to vote?
	Do you think felons should be able to vote?
	You're talking about.
	Does that mean you hate them?
	You're talking about the questions you're pointing at all the women on this table here are very much about your values based on your looks.
	Rate yourself one to ten.
	Those aren't even my questions.
	And then you shouldn't be able to.
	Those aren't my questions.
	You shouldn't be able to have a say in government.
	You shouldn't be able to have a role.
	I don't give a shit how any of you look.
	I'm just here for the arguments.
	I could give a fuck less.
	He doesn't give a fuck.
	I don't give a shit.
	Yeah, so why was it such a big issue to try to essentially?
	Because you took a position that I found absurd, so I argued.
	Okay.
	Can I ask you?
	That's fine, but here's the problem with when you get to the point of view.
	Do you think when I do debates with women, I come out and go, now how would you rate yourself?
	I don't give a fuck how they look.
	He doesn't care.
	He care to do a debate.
	I feel like you guys are talking in circles.
	Can she ask her questions?
	Yeah, but I feel like we're going to finish the argument real quick.
	Hang on.
	So back to the other one.
	We're almost done.
	Do you believe in democracy?
	Can we take a vote?
	So can we get back to this?
	I would say not believing in the Constitution.
	An argument.
	An argument ad populum.
	What was in the Constitution that we had slavery?
	Did you believe in the Constitution then?
	I've always believed in the Constitution.
	Except for the slavery?
	Oh, you didn't.
	So you don't believe in the Constitution.
	Well, you didn't believe in the Constitution.
	So you believe in slavery?
	No, of course not.
	But you're making the argument to me.
	I don't believe in the Constitution.
	When I put it right back on you, neither do you.
	So who cares?
	Okay, thank you.
	So I wanted to ask you.
	So I do believe in the Constitution, by the way.
	Just as it's written right now.
	It's perfect right now.
	Yes.
	Like, for instance, don't let him interrupt you.
	Go ahead.
	Okay, so I just wanted to ask this, and I wanted to come at this from a Christian perspective because I'm genuinely really curious.
	I'm not trying to back you into a corner or anything.
	I'm genuinely curious.
	So a lot of times on this show, I've seen a lot of girls who claim to be Christian.
	They come on here and they're like, oh, yeah, you know, I'm on OF or I'm doing X, Y, and Z thing.
	And, you know, and you or someone else points out, well, that's kind of conflicting, right?
	So do you think that sometimes your delivery can be kind of conflicting with Christian values?
	I know that Jesus flipped the tables and everything, but I think there is a time and a place, and I think there is a way to conduct yourself.
	And I know that being polite, you know, and debates don't really go together a lot.
	Would you be nice to a Satanist?
	Yes, of course.
	And would you be nice to Satan?
	That's the same thing.
	Yeah, love the sinner and hate the sin.
	That's nowhere in the Bible.
	You just made it up.
	No, that is in the Bible.
	Where is the school?
	That is in the Bible.
	Where?
	In chapter, you just made it the fuck up?
	No, I didn't.
	Earlier you said it.
	Wait, I have something to say.
	Hold up.
	Let's find out if you're right.
	I mean, I don't have to worry about it.
	Andrew, Andrew, Andrew, please.
	Earlier you said that.
	Is that what you're wearing?
	Chapter you just made it the fuck up.
	Andrew, earlier you said that patriarchies have historically protected women.
	Can you cite something for me?
	Or chat, did you just make that the fuck up?
	Yes, I can, actually.
	Here's a great example of it.
	Have you ever heard of the Byzantine Empire?
	Yes.
	Well, who ran it?
	Constantine.
	Okay, great.
	Constantine.
	Did Constantine put in a code?
	Hold on.
	Probably put out the law.
	Can we not?
	Let's not do that.
	Did Constantine put in a code?
	Oh, but he can call essay.
	He can be little.
	There was probably something about not raping women, but they probably still rape the shit out of all the laws.
	They probably did, huh?
	Based on just, you just made it up.
	Based on, I just made it the fuck up.
	Yeah.
	Like, did you raise it?
	Yeah, but you don't have evidence for your point either.
	I do have evidence.
	We just agreed, Constantine.
	What's the law?
	What's the law in hand?
	What was the code?
	So here, Constantine, after he took or converted over, inside of the Byzantine Empire, yes, of course, there was a doctrine that women were to be protected.
	And the reason that this happened is because one of the great assets when it comes to wartime is to make sure that your women are protected.
	I don't need to give you the specific code to note that there is one.
	Oh, so it's the, you made that shit up, Chester.
	That's a genetic, what you're making right now is a genetic case.
	I'm using the same fallacy that you've been using on all of us, which is show me the exact evidence.
	Show me the exact date, time, whatever.
	When did I say that on an exacting when it wasn't the position that you postulated?
	You said that patriarchies have historically protected women.
	And I just gave an example that you agreed with.
	Okay, but that is false in more cases than this.
	Then give me a case where it's false and we'll argue it.
	I hate it so much.
	It's okay.
	We don't have to argue.
	No, no, no, we do.
	Give me a case and we'll argue it.
	Give me a case and we'll argue it.
	Like I said, because you don't fucking know one.
	You don't know one.
	But yeah, but I don't know.
	Yeah, but yeah.
	That's right.
	Do you want to know why?
	Do you want to know why?
	Like, this is the absurdity of what you're arguing.
	Women should relinquish their rights to what?
	A man like you who is going to treat them in a belittling way, condescending way, and kind of an authoritarian way.
	I mean, you're not really going to be able to do it.
	You don't like authoritarianism?
	I thought you just said you should submit to your husband.
	You are not convincing people.
	Isn't your husband an authority if you submit to him?
	I don't think he's trying to, you're not trying to convince me.
	It's saying, it doesn't say men should force women to submit.
	It says women should willingly submit.
	Then if they gave up their right to vote, wouldn't they be willingly be submitting to men?
	Can't somebody just get their will across without being aware of at least respectful comments?
	Wouldn't it be willful if the woman didn't have a choice?
	And you're saying taking the choice away.
	If women gave up their right to vote tomorrow, wouldn't that be somewhere?
	It's not willful if you take away her choice, is it?
	So here's the thing.
	It's interesting.
	So that's not willful.
	I think it's okay to take choice away from people, especially in various circumstances where they don't need to have the choice to begin with.
	For instance, I think it's okay to take away your choice to do heroin.
	I think it's okay to take away your right to do an abortion.
	I think it's okay to take away all sorts of values.
	What about your right to smoke cigarettes?
	What about it?
	You'd be chill if the government took that away.
	I think that there is a position when it comes to authoritarianism where if there was such a greater good that was served, if the only way I could get rid of heroin and abortion was to also get rid of the cigarettes, sure.
	But does cigarettes do the same amount of fucking damage that you see inside of society that you see from OnlyFans and these various things?
	No.
	A weakness is a weakness.
	No, no, no.
	Yes, it is.
	It's not, is it?
	A weakness.
	I think more people die from cigarettes than OnlyFans.
	Their death, their death itself is not the pushing of the decadence of society.
	Neither is the death of an abortive baby.
	Almost everybody, yes, that would move towards the decadence of society.
	How about we go around a table and ask the women here if they would be willing to date a man like Andrew?
	I hope the answer is no, and that you would go get a great stud.
	Go ahead.
	Go ahead.
	My answer is no.
	Just out of curiosity.
	Can I ask you a question?
	Like Renee.
	I think Renee is kind of aware.
	I would hope that the answer is no, and you would go for a stud.
	Great.
	Everybody says no.
	What does it have to do with anything?
	Real quick.
	Can I ask you something, though?
	Because I've been dining out.
	I just want to know out of curious.
	Do you think that things have gotten better in this country since women got the right to vote?
	The direction of society.
	Okay, I don't think that it's fair to use women as the scapegoat for all of us.
	I'm not saying that.
	I'm just asking you to say that.
	I can understand what's going on.
	I can point to.
	No, no, no.
	I could actually point to the exact reason why things in our society are going wrong.
	And the number one.
	No.
	Actually, I'm going to go a little bit deeper with that, and I'm going to talk about the large investment hedge funds like BlackRock, Vanguard, State Street Capital, many of the large funds that are investing in eugenics programs in our country, investing in the destruction of the nuclear family.
	I'm going to go with those.
	And I mean, I would guess, I'm just guessing the majority of the board members and the shareholders on those hedge funds are mostly males.
	I would just guess.
	Don't most women, though, vote Democratic?
	But no, she does that have to do with what I'm getting.
	I'm asking, I'm not sure.
	And why do you think that is because of what they're seeing?
	Oh, the base anti-capitalistic.
	No, no, no.
	It's not anti-capitalistic.
	It's not anti-capitalistic.
	Nope, because those big hed funds, if anything, they're destroying mom and pop businesses and small businesses.
	So they exist because of the unfettered state.
	Because of monopolies, because of monopolies, because they allow these big, giant corporations.
	How many of these big corporations had to shut down during the lockdowns?
	Walmart was open.
	All the big chains were open, but the small mom and pops, they all had to close their doors and they all suffered because of it.
	What I'm getting is your question was that women weren't out there screaming with their fucking little signs.
	Yeah, right.
	I would say the women are mostly voting Democrat because of what they're seeing in music, media, Hollywood, mainstream media, Hardy B, right?
	All those things.
	Cardi B.
	So they can't be influenced by brainwashing.
	Yes.
	You can have a question.
	Hardy B. Brainwashing.
	What I would say is that you're not going to be able to get Cardi B. Brainwashing.
	Hold on.
	You think that women create brainwashing?
	I could finish here.
	In a game of chess.
	I could.
	You think that's a good question?
	I didn't say that at all.
	Let's keep this PG-13.
	Hold on.
	I'm keeping it.
	Let me finish here.
	The majority of the reason our nation is going to hell in a handbasket is because of what people are consuming from these mainstream media outlets, entertainment, Hollywood, so and so forth.
	And a lot of those big corporate interests, those big companies, they are large in part owned by men.
	I like men.
	Let us talk about dating.
	We've got to talk about it.
	You can't blame it all on women.
	We ain't got to talk about dating.
	Because women are taking influences.
	Just to answer the simple question that she asked in.
	Simple, super simple.
	If women were not able to vote, would any of that be happening?
	That's her question.
	Cool.
	Problem reaction sources.
	Hegelian dialect created for the problem.
	Correlation is not creating the problem to create the reaction, to create the solution.
	I got a chat to read.
	Well, can you name a causation that has no correlation?
	Let's just move on.
	We're going to move on.
	We're going to move on.
	What has a cause with no correlatory?
	Grid One Motorsports donated $200.
	Rhino Girl, please stop until you can speak in something other than talking points.
	You obviously are a lukewarm conservative at best, and lack faith in the Lord.
	Get help, be better.
	You can change.
	I'm not a Rhino.
	The Shizzle.
	Okay.
	Thank you, Grid One.
	Good to see you in the chat.
	We have David Treziak coming in here in just a sec.
	Thank you, man.
	Thank you, Grid One.
	What's your name?
	Who's your daddy?
	Is he rich like me?
	Has he taken any time to show you what you need to live?
	Tell it to me slowly.
	Zombies Bomb, love debate.
	Renee, you're out of frame.
	Just FYI.
	Okay, thank you, man.
	You know, that's his song, right?
	It sounded like it was lyrics or something.
	We have the great FB.
	So you're saying that Andrew should let women be mean to him and be soft and weak because he is a Christian.
	You thought since he was a Christian, you can use him as a punching bag that says more about you than Andrew, who Christianity is not a pacifist, is not a pacifist religion, I think he meant to say.
	May I please respond to this?
	Quickly, please.
	Okay.
	So I would never ever want to use Andrew as a punching bag.
	I like a lot of his points, actually.
	And the point I was making is I don't think anyone should be used as a punching bag.
	And the difference between Satan and people who are maybe Satanist is because they're still people, they're still human beings, and there's room to change.
	And I think if we treat people as if there's no room to change or room to grow, it's condemning.
	And it doesn't give the people the option to change.
	That's right.
	V, the principles of love the sinner, but hate the sin is backed by scripture.
	That specific quote is not in the Bible.
	However, see Matthew 5, 43, 44, and 6, 14, 15.
	What's difficult is that often our modern worlds confuse love with excusing or ignoring degenerate behavior.
	Right, so quick, quick, please, if you can.
	The point here is to give pushback.
	That is the point of me being here, is to give pushback to your ideologies.
	Yes, not always going to be nice.
	Yes, it's going to sound like I'm being mean.
	Yes, it's going to sound like all of this.
	My purpose is not here to be nice and kind and fill your ass with smoke.
	My purpose is here to destroy your ideology, mangle it the worst way I possibly can, and basically drub it through the street, tar, and feather it.
	That's the point of me being here.
	It wouldn't matter if all of you were men, gone into the same room with them, don't care.
	Means nothing to me.
	I'm just here for the worldviews.
	Awesome.
	Mr. Travolta with the 100 British pounds, I think.
	First girl is very thoughtful.
	I don't agree with anything she says, but she's very thoughtful, eloquent, and knows when to be quiet.
	The first girl?
	Her.
	I have a name here.
	Eloquent.
	And knows when to be quiet.
	Okay.
	Those aren't traits of a typical feminist.
	Andrew's just triggered because she doesn't believe in God.
	There's no proof that God exists.
	I don't care if she believes in God or not.
	He doesn't believe.
	I don't know.
	Mr. Travolta said who did.
	Have some faith.
	Okay.
	You know what?
	You guys should also do a debate.
	Oh, my God.
	A debate on Thursday and Friday.
	That would be interesting.
	With no interruptions.
	Yeah, that would be wonderful.
	Yeah, we'll try our best.
	Okay, so before we get back into some dating-related stuff, these are always interesting questions that are, you know, because, you know, I don't know.
	Generally speaking, are men physically stronger than women?
	Are men stronger than women?
	Yes.
	Generally speaking, yeah.
	Yes.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Yeah, just me and Andrew have encountered a couple who a few times that disagree, and that's always an interesting convo.
	Can you be sexist towards men?
	Um, okay.
	This is related to our feminism conversation, but go ahead.
	I have a general view that the feminist thing you guys know, I think society is sexist and we have this internalized sexist view of ourselves and that causes us to impact.
	I'm saying sexist.
	But when you say society is sexist towards who?
	Towards females.
	It's patient.
	In totality.
	It's not, okay, it's not sexist towards females and it discriminates from what they can or can't do.
	But there is an inherent sexism weaved into the thread of our existence on this planet just by the nature of our gender roles and what is expected from each of us.
	It's like the Christian thing.
	But my argument's maybe that that has like some negative impacts.
	Okay, so let's back up.
	But you can say something sexist to a man, in my opinion, but like because it's like, it's like, can you be racist towards a black person?
	Well, I mean, yes.
	I mean, I meant a white person, sorry.
	Can you be racist towards a white person?
	Yes, you can be racist towards a white person, but it's not the same as the societal oppression that black people as a race have experienced and women as a gender have experienced.
	That's my answer.
	Okay.
	So.
	Yes, you can be sexist towards a man.
	Well, when you say men, you're talking about on an individual level, but can you be sexist more broadly speaking towards men?
	I think I could meet a girl out there who could do it.
	you know, like who could, I think it would have to be a very strong girl.
	I don't know.
	This is kind of a weird answer.
	I can't wait to get into this as soon as he's done around the table.
	Misandry and sexism are different.
	I think that's a misandrist.
	Well, hold on.
	There's misandry and there's misogyny.
	Those are the two counter terms.
	And then you have sexism, which could be sexist towards men, sexist towards women.
	It just works on both ends.
	Well, I'm saying, like, she just hates men, because I'd say sexism is more of an act taken, like, to discriminate against someone versus one is just a distaste.
	Like, a misandrist is someone who just generally hates men, and someone who is sexist towards men would do things to decrease their opportunities in the future.
	So, are you saying you can be sexist towards men?
	Yeah, I guess.
	I don't know.
	It's a really roundabout way of answering.
	I think that it's hard to be sexist towards a man, and lots of women do not do it.
	It's not common for women to be sexist towards men.
	It's not defining sexism as?
	Like I said, it's inhibiting someone's progression in life.
	So I don't mean like they're saying, like, oh, you're ugly because sexism is what now?
	Let's say a woman is the CEO of a company and she's interviewing a man and a woman for a job, and she hires the woman purely on the basis that she's a woman.
	I would say that's sexism.
	Now, misandry would be if a girl walks around and says, fuck you, in every guy's face that she meets, like you're broke and you're ugly because she just hates men.
	That's not inhibiting their personal growth.
	It's just she hates men.
	Okay.
	So I'm saying it's harder to enact sexism against men in society.
	However, it's still possible.
	Whereas misandry is like way more possible and easy.
	I've met a lot of misandrists.
	You mean because women are asking men for more shit, essentially?
	They're asking for more things, more stuff?
	No, I'm saying that you have to have power to oppress.
	So the woman would have to be in a position of power to commit a sexist act against a man.
	So that means women are coming to men for more stuff, more things.
	So they're not going to children.
	Women are going to men for that.
	The subtleness of the movement.
	That's what I just said.
	So too is Andrew and other uncomfortable truths.
	Love is often experienced as pain.
	Thank you.
	Digbic energy.
	Appreciate it.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	Anyway, I thought that's what you just said, though.
	Aren't we saying the same thing?
	Okay, yeah.
	Okay.
	Women have to do that.
	Women have to ask men for more things because of historically, and like you said, like your own beliefs.
	You think that women should have to ask men for more things.
	Yeah, okay, but that would have nothing to do with the other thing.
	So even if I thought...
	What do you mean the other thing?
	Even...
	Even if I thought, and it was my belief, that all the things that you're saying should happen should happen.
	That was what I actually believed.
	Wouldn't make your descriptive claim that it is happening true.
	So I don't even know why you brought that up.
	It means nothing.
	But back to your descriptive claim itself, women are going.
	So your definition here, that's all I'm interested in, is that misandry only can exist if you're in power over a woman.
	No, sexism only exists if you're in power.
	And then misandry is just hatred towards men.
	Yes.
	Okay, so you're saying that women are not in positions to do that because they have no power over men.
	Yes.
	What about sexual power?
	I'd say they have less, not that much sexual power over men either.
	Really?
	Can men abort your kids for you?
	Seems like quite the power.
	Actually, I don't think I would be performing my own abortion.
	I think a man would be performing.
	I know, but who has to make the choice?
	Me.
	Yeah, you get to make the choice.
	So when it comes to sexual power, don't women have more sexual power than men do?
	The question was whether or not I think that men can't be aware of the power.
	Yeah, but then we got to your definition, and that's what we're going off of, is your definition of what is sexism.
	You said what sexism is, you have to be in a position of power in order to perform sexism.
	Okay, so you're saying that.
	So, if that's the case, women have sexual power.
	So, if a woman aborted her baby because her husband and her husband didn't, or not her husband, her boyfriend or whatever didn't want her to be.
	That's a huge amount of power.
	You think that's an act of sexism?
	Well, I'm saying by your definition, isn't that power?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, and isn't that being applied specifically to the opposite sex?
	But it isn't an act of sexism because it wasn't on the basis of his gender, was it?
	It was just she wanted to abortion.
	That's actually how it was selected was on the basis of his sex.
	Yeah, because otherwise he would have a say in the abortion, wouldn't he?
	Well, they wouldn't have had a child because it would have been two women.
	No, no, no.
	What I'm saying to you is that it's selected that he's not allowed to have a decision in it based on his sex.
	Well, if he could become pregnant, then he could have a decision.
	No, that's scary.
	That's really a strange way to go about it.
	So, if he could become pregnant, then it would be his personal choice.
	By your standard, I just want to make sure.
	So, if it's something which is inherent, if there's some type of inherent distinction or inherent difference, then it doesn't fall in the realm of sexism.
	What?
	I was saying if it's not on the basis of someone's gender or sex, then it's not sexism.
	Okay, and that her aborting a baby is not on the basis of the opposite person's gender or sex.
	I don't understand.
	It's just something that can any man make the decision for a female to have an abortion or not.
	They legally, I don't think so.
	No.
	Yeah.
	So that seems like it's highly targeted towards a single sex then.
	Yeah, but the women are the ones carrying the child.
	Yeah, but why is that the relevant thing here?
	That they're not affected by the people.
	Why are you having sex with someone who wants abortions?
	Why are you having a sex with someone who wants to abortion?
	You guys can move on.
	I think I made my point pretty clear.
	Yeah, but I got the answer from everybody.
	Okay.
	That was the original question, even.
	Okay, can you be sexist towards men?
	This whole little argument, I don't know at this point.
	I really don't know.
	Well, hold on.
	Okay.
	Can you be sexist towards women?
	I mean, yeah.
	Well, why is it that you can answer affirmatively to that question, but not to the question?
	Just like how she said, like, can you be racist towards a white man?
	Like, well, okay, okay.
	I can get to that one later, but.
	But, I mean, it's kind of like.
	Fuck it.
	Let's start right now.
	Okay, starting with you.
	Can you be racist?
	We're going to forget right where we were at, though, but we'll come back.
	Can you be racist towards white people?
	You can discriminate.
	Yes, you can discriminate against them based on the color of their skin.
	However, like, the.
	Okay, what's your definition of racism?
	Systematic disadvantages to a certain population or group based on their ethnic or national identity.
	Okay.
	I don't understand what's so painful.
	So, no, you can't be racist towards white people.
	No, I said you can be racist towards them, but it'll never be in the same way.
	It won't be.
	It's like you can commit an act of racism, but it's not like there's no, okay.
	Okay.
	Is there a.
	It's like what I was saying with sexism.
	If the group that is perpetuating the action is not in power, then it doesn't make sense.
	Can you be can Asian people be racist towards black people?
	Yes.
	Can black people be racist towards Asian people?
	Yes, but less so.
	That's interesting, okay.
	Because I'd say that the black American experience is very unique.
	Whereas Asian people who experience racism, a lot of them are immigrants and not racist towards native people.
	Everybody's experience is unique.
	Yeah, okay, yeah.
	I mean, Japanese Americans were in interment camp.
	Yeah, I'm aware.
	Yeah.
	But what about that?
	Like.
	Okay, here, let's get everybody's answers.
	I'm saying that societally, there's been a group that has experienced them all.
	Can you be racist towards white people?
	The most?
	Hold on, hold on, go ahead.
	Go ahead.
	Go ahead.
	Yes, you can make racist remarks.
	No, no, no.
	Can you be racist towards white people?
	I don't.
	Like, I don't know.
	This is like something that I really, like, can't really speak on because I'm obviously just uneducated and I don't really want to put myself in that position.
	Well, I'm just like.
	Can you be racist towards Asian people?
	Yes, it happens every day.
	Can you be racist towards black people?
	It happens every day.
	Can you be racist towards Latinos?
	It happens every day.
	Can you be racist towards Native Americans?
	It happens every day you're talking about.
	Can you be racist?
	Can you be racist towards white people?
	Like, I guess, yes, in a sense, you can.
	You can be racism.
	Why are you so quick to affirmatively answer all those other questions?
	But when it comes to racism towards white people, you're incapable of simply answering the question.
	Because I don't know the white experience.
	I don't know.
	Well, are you Latina?
	Yes.
	Are you Asian?
	No.
	Are you black?
	No.
	Are you Native American?
	No.
	So why were you able to answer on behalf of those other races?
	Because it happens every day.
	I've seen it personally happen.
	What if I told you racism happened against white people every day?
	Would that sway you?
	Well, then I can't deny something that's a fact.
	If it's happening, then how can I deny it?
	Okay, well, then it's happening, so you don't deny it, right?
	Okay.
	Okay, great.
	Okay.
	So can you be sexist towards men?
	If it's happening, yes.
	I don't really understand it.
	Like, if that's what's going on and people are being sexist towards men, then yes.
	If people are belittling them, then yes.
	But at the same time, I do agree with her statement that, like, if you are the majority, it doesn't hit as hard.
	Yes, it is still majority.
	It's still sexist.
	It's still racist.
	It's still whatever it may be.
	But it doesn't hit as hard if you are the majority.
	Well, men, if you have the power.
	Oh, stay safe in the chat.
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	What a GigaChat.
	Okay, really quick.
	One World of Warcraft relayed the question for the table.
	Would you date a guy who played a male human warlock?
	Go ahead.
	Go ahead.
	Renee, quick, quick, quick, quick.
	Yes.
	Yes, I don't know.
	No.
	No, I'm confused.
	I'm confused.
	No.
	No.
	Like, he's playing Destruction Spec.
	Oh, sure.
	Yeah, who cares?
	Like, he's like a Giga Chad pumper raider.
	Yeah, like parses in the 100%.
	You're all speaking English to us.
	Yeah.
	What about you?
	Like, you down?
	Sure.
	Okay, cool.
	Anyways, moving on.
	Men can experience sexism.
	Well, hold on, we'll get to you.
	Wait, can you say that experience racism?
	I don't know if you fully gave your answer.
	Can you be sexist towards men?
	Yes.
	Wait, do you actually believe that, though, or are you just kind of like, all right, move on?
	I mean, why?
	Yeah, sure.
	Wait, wait, Yasher to the question I just asked you, or Yasher, you can be.
	I mean, there's no point in giving my opinion when you're just going to go to the point that you want.
	You know what I mean?
	So, what is your opinion?
	I won't even debate you.
	I just hear your opinion and then I'll move on to the next person.
	I won't even debate you.
	But I've already said that I don't know.
	Okay, that's fine.
	Grid one motorsports donated $200.
	That's a good point.
	White people are the minority in the world.
	Some of my ancestors came over as indentured servants.
	Do you know what that means?
	You kids' understanding of history and culture is pathetic.
	Oh.
	Some of the my ancestors came over and well, the originating term of slave comes from Slavic.
	White people were the OG slaves, I think.
	Anyways, yo, grid one motorsports, thank you.
	Really quick, we're going to continue on this thread.
	Kyle Kelsey, dude, I don't know if you're still watching.
	I need to tell you something.
	Kyle, I mentioned this at the beginning of the show.
	You super chatted last show, I believe, or a show before.
	I think it was last show.
	Yeah, and I missed it.
	I'm very sorry.
	Normally, we're very good with making sure we get every single Streamlabs message, every single super chat.
	We missed one of yours.
	If you want to DM me on Instagram at whatever, we will, if you want to just submit a message that I'll just treat as a super chat, we'll do that.
	I apologize, Kyle, that we missed your super chat last show.
	He says the annoying blondie and the annoying 19-year-old makes me want to turn on channel one, nine, listen to mud duck out in the desert, stay safe on those highways and byways.
	Okay, thank you, Kyle Kelsey.
	Shoot me a DM on Instagram.
	We'll get it.
	We'll get you squared away.
	Okay, we'll get the rest of the super chats a little bit later on.
	So can you be sexist towards men?
	For the sexist and racist question, I think answers both is yes.
	Okay.
	Yes.
	To both?
	Yes.
	Yes, to both.
	Yes, obviously.
	Yes.
	Yes, and yes.
	Okay.
	All right.
	So Renee is a little bit of an outlier here with her answer.
	Well, I'd say there's personal instances of racism and sexism, and there's, as a whole, generally in society, racism and sexism.
	They're phenomenons that we explain to you.
	Let me ask you a question.
	So if there were hiring practices that are put in place by corporations that said to deprioritize white men in hiring and to hire people who are part of quote-unquote minority groups, somehow women are included in, I don't know how that works, but to prioritize hiring women and hiring people of color, would that be evidence of racism or sexism against white men?
	It goes against the Civil Rights Act, I believe, right?
	Or they're discriminating from you are familiar with like DEI practices and affirmative action, but you can't do that.
	Which deprioritizes hiring.
	But it's illegal.
	It's illegal to not hire them on the bottom.
	So it doesn't stop it from happening.
	I would say that is an experience of the market.
	Just to be clear, so Daily Dreaming 88 donated $200.
	Nothing is ever a one-way street.
	Everyone can experience racism or sexism.
	You don't have to be white to realize this.
	You don't have to be a murderer to know murder is real or wrong.
	It happens to all.
	Yo, Daily Dreaming, thank you, man.
	Appreciate your patronage.
	Well put, well put.
	Wait, so you said, well, it's illegal.
	Well, isn't it illegal to pay men and women different wages?
	Yeah.
	So are you conceding, like, you don't believe in the wage gap then?
	I believe in it.
	I'd never said that I didn't believe what you've done.
	But I thought it's illegal.
	It's illegal, so it can't possibly happen.
	Okay, it can still happen.
	Okay.
	Definitely.
	And I bet I'm sure that there have been hiring practices against white people put into place for certain corporations, but for many other corporations, they exclusively hire people they already know.
	So nepotism.
	That does not have to do with race.
	It does, because people feel comfortable around their own race.
	Just like maybe an Asian company would only want to more so hire Asian employees, they feel comfortable around their own race.
	And that's why I understand that.
	I'm just saying systematically over time because white people have been in such a higher place of power.
	They've been able to do that and connect with their communities in a more comprehensive way than other races.
	Why should we defer to the definition of racism being only institutional authority rather than defer to a definition of racism?
	I didn't defer to either one.
	I acknowledged both of their existence, and I said, I think that the other one doesn't exist.
	If the other form of racism exists, aren't people just as capable, black, white, whatever, of being just as racist as the next person?
	Yeah, okay.
	Yeah, I'll concede that.
	But I'm just saying I don't want that to be used to belittle or demean how much more I think systematic oppression is impactful versus these one-off acts of discrimination.
	Although they are bad, and obviously I'd like to.
	Yeah, but how do you quantify systemic oppression?
	You don't have to quantify it.
	You can look at the historical examples.
	You can look at laws.
	How would you quantify it?
	It would be quantifying if you looked at the data.
	There's statistics.
	Yeah, so how would we quantify, and by what methodology would you use to quantify whether or not something was systemic racism or not?
	That's not a quantifiable thing.
	You'd have to use qualitative and quantifiable factors.
	Okay, what qualitative and quantitative factors would you use?
	Well, you'd probably have to do some poll research.
	But that would just be, if you're polling, that would just be asking people how they felt, essentially, right?
	Yeah, but isn't that what we're all doing?
	Aren't you just asking me how I feel?
	No, I'm asking you for your opinion and if it's based around objective fact instead of feelings, in fact.
	Oh, whoa.
	Facts over feelings.
	Well, I told you that both exist.
	I don't have a problem with that.
	Yeah, I know.
	So back to this.
	How would you go about trying to figure out how you would quantify what is systemic racism?
	Because, like, for instance, you have to...
	It's not quantifiable.
	It's not quantifiable.
	It's just something that we know happened historically.
	It's not a feeling.
	If you go to, no, if you go to history classes, right?
	And it's not empirical, then how is it anything other than a feeling?
	You said the thing about the patriarchy protecting women earlier, and you brought up the example of the Byzantine Empire.
	Is that anything more than just a feeling?
	There's no quantifiable evidence for that.
	Yeah, but I wasn't looking for something which was quantified then.
	We were giving you a question.
	I'm not looking at something that's quantified either.
	How do you, how would, what unit would you even use to quantify systematic racism?
	It's you.
	It's your definition.
	Yeah, okay.
	Money, years incarcerated, that kind of thing.
	There you go.
	So if you're just using years incarcerated, though.
	Okay, here we go.
	Oh, higher crime rate.
	There you go.
	And the problem with that is.
	I just already know what argument you're going to make, so I don't know why you're talking about it.
	I'm guessing you have a great counter for it.
	What's the actual definition?
	Like, why aren't we pulling up actual definitions of words and then asking people's opinion?
	Well, because people can come up with whatever definition for whatever thing they want.
	So why not just pull up the real definition?
	There's no such thing as a case.
	Do you think that slavery had zero less than a year?
	Like, do you think they just, after Reconstruction, they just made that perfect?
	I have to answer one question.
	Okay, but can you answer mine first?
	As soon as I'm done answering that question, can you answer mine first?
	Just give me one second.
	Calm down, lady.
	I'm just acting like he does.
	I mean, you wouldn't let her talk for like five minutes.
	Because I was already in the middle of having a debate.
	We're in the middle of having a debate.
	No, I was in the middle of having a debate with her.
	And you just went, ah.
	But fine.
	My attention's all focused on you.
	What did you want?
	I asked a question.
	What was the question?
	Loki, I forgot.
	Great.
	So back to this.
	Now that you forgot your question, just saying that anybody come up with a definition of anything.
	What makes this a cup that's just agreed upon?
	Couldn't we call it bubblegum?
	I remember my question.
	I mean, but then that throws every argument that you've put on the table out the door.
	Not if a person comes up with a definition, they might have a definition which deviates from whatever you find in the dictionary.
	There is two plus two equals four.
	Yes, I agree.
	Always.
	But that's a metaphysical truth, not a socially constructed one.
	Yeah, but there is what makes that a cup is metaphysical.
	It's physical.
	It's not social.
	So the glass is real.
	The beer inside the glass is real.
	What makes it a cup?
	What makes it that?
	It's literally a cup like it was made by a glassmaker.
	What makes it not a soft?
	It's epistemology.
	It's literally a cup.
	Like, I don't.
	It's a cup because it's a cup.
	No, but like, it's like explaining how do you explain the word do?
	No, it's not.
	It's not like that.
	We're just talking about definitions.
	You make a definition.
	Okay.
	A person can make a definition for whatever they want.
	I don't care about opinion of a definition.
	What is the literal definition of a certain state?
	Yeah, so you're just going to appeal to an authority, though, right?
	No, because things are definitive.
	Like, this is blue.
	It's a cup.
	What makes a social construction definitive?
	Sometimes cylindrical object that can contain fluids.
	I think my question is.
	But that's a very stupid argument.
	Because at the end of the day, no, for real, it's trash.
	No disrespect.
	Well, that was disrespect of someone.
	You think that definitions are objective?
	No, like a cup is a cup.
	And if you're going to ask somebody what their opinion of a definition is.
	Yeah, but what makes it a cup?
	Someone can't say, oh, well, it might be a cat.
	Like, what is the argument?
	What is the definition of sexism?
	And then let's say people give their opinions based on their understanding.
	If they're going based on something that's in the clouds they don't even have any understanding of, this is a completely waste of a conversation.
	Yeah, you have to define terms.
	Then what makes a chair?
	Then define chairs.
	We're not discussing chairs.
	Define a chair.
	Define a chair.
	That's a stupid question.
	A chair is literally an inanimate object that you can sit on.
	Does it have to have four legs?
	I mean, a chair can have four legs.
	It can have three.
	It depends on the structure.
	What makes it a cushion then?
	Not a chair or a couch versus a chair.
	Look, I'm not a cushion or a chair connoisseur, okay?
	Pull up the definition of a chair, and then we'll discuss what a chair is.
	Tell me what the concept is.
	What makes the definition that you pull up of the chair an authority on what a chair is?
	What makes the definition correct?
	The inventor, I don't know.
	The inventor.
	The guy who originally invented chairs.
	And then we'll talk about what he made.
	So you're appealing to an authority, which is fallacious.
	I'm a woman.
	I appeal to authorities.
	So you're just a walking fallacy?
	No, I'm a woman.
	So you're just a walking fallacy.
	I just always appeal to authority when I make arguments.
	No, there's right and there's wrong.
	Two plus two equals four.
	You can't just say, oh, that's an objective.
	It's like two plus two equals five.
	It's going to equal five.
	No.
	Like you're sitting here asking questions.
	It's not a fair.
	Like you're asking a question.
	Can this person, can someone be sexist to men?
	Okay, I said yes.
	She said, you know, many things.
	At the end of the day, bring up the actual definition of what makes that the definitive definition.
	Rather than appealing to the authority that you have.
	Then give your definition.
	That's what she was doing.
	That's what I asked her to do, and you have a problem with it.
	No, because it's not, it's like a waste of a back and forth.
	There's no definitive yes or no.
	Like if you can't sit down and prove this is where I'm getting my ideology from, this is where I'm getting my standpoint from, then everyone's just sitting here talking about feelings and it's going in circles.
	It's like, bro, do you get headaches?
	Cool.
	So the word cool.
	The word cool can mean cold or it can mean awesome or it can mean all sorts of different shit other than the word cool.
	But not just that.
	Definitions themselves.
	If you say, look, I only use this dictionary definition of this thing.
	Fine, we can do that.
	But what if somebody has a different definition than what the dictionary is?
	What makes the dictionary right?
	What makes the dictionary right?
	Pull up the different variations of the racism.
	You're not answering my question.
	You're just talking.
	No, because you're saying what makes that right?
	Pull up the different variations of the word and then discuss the difference between them.
	What makes it?
	What makes the dictionary definition correct?
	We have to have definitions.
	A person coming up with their own definition is something to go by.
	So what makes the dictionary definition?
	You can't say when I'm saying apple, I really mean orange, or you're not going to be able to ask a concept fallacy.
	But if you were to say, I call this a La Flipadoo, and I call this a doondoodle, and this is the apple, and this is the orange, we still know what we're talking about.
	I think what's happening with a lot of the progressive ideology is they're actually redefining terms, and then when they're describing what they are describing as racism or sexism order, they've actually tried to redefine it with their own new invented definition of what that is.
	And I think what Keisha is saying is, can you lay out what your definition is so that she can judge her?
	That's exactly what we were doing when I asked her her definition.
	That's literally what we're doing.
	You asked her hers.
	Keisha's asking hers.
	I'm saying hers.
	Because we're going off of her.
	She's not understanding it.
	No, not only am I understanding.
	You say yours, so that we've heard hers.
	Why would my definition mean anything when we're asking a question about her belief?
	Absolutely, because you're debating with her.
	So you should define what sexism is to you.
	She's defined it what it is to her.
	And then that would actually explain some of the miscommunications happening here.
	There's no miscommunication happening.
	Nobody was confused except you.
	Actually, there is miscommunication because I think too many of us are.
	I'm confused and you're confused, but we were never.
	Excuse me.
	Excuse me.
	Stop.
	You're excuse.
	No, stop.
	No, you stop.
	The reason is.
	You're so fucking low IQ, I can barely talk to you.
	You don't even know what a definition is.
	No, here's the actual problem.
	If you were to actually attack it at their definition, you can destroy their argument immediately.
	Yeah.
	That's why I asked her for the definition to destroy her argument.
	You're not actually disputing it with what the correct definition is.
	And that's what Keisha's trying to point you in close to the point.
	What is the correct definition?
	Yeah, tell her what it is so she can see that others.
	What would make that definition correct?
	Oh my God.
	Look, yes, you can be racist and sexist towards white people and men.
	You can be racist and sexist towards a white man.
	I concede.
	My other definition is something that I feel like they teach us in school.
	And that's wrong because they're redefining terms.
	Like racism always meant.
	There's always been two meanings in the dictionary for both of them, though.
	Under the true original definition of racism, absolutely everyone is capable.
	You can be racist against a white person.
	I think the problem is the progressives, they've decided we're just going to now redefine what racism is.
	And then in their new definition of it, they're excluding white people.
	And they're saying it has to be because they're turning into the definition saying there has to be a power imbalance.
	So they're redefining what racism is.
	I think that's the point here: if you talk about, no, the only true definition of racism is discriminating against somebody based on their race.
	Because if you said that, I would have ceded that.
	By definition, racism, okay, and I think that's the definition we're going off because we're not acknowledging their other, because what they're actually doing is they're merging together what they believe was originally systemic racism.
	They've just merged that into just generalized racism.
	Well, it's just that the terms are the same words.
	I don't care how they define a thing.
	I want to know how they define it so that I can get into the argument and destroy the argument.
	That's why I'm asking for the definition.
	So you want to cause chaos.
	When you, that's not chaos.
	That's the opposite.
	That would be order destroying an argument.
	See how when I defined racism, she was able to concede and say, Well, yes, white people.
	She can concede to your definition, but I would still like to know what she means by institutional racism, how we quantify that, and why we should see to that definition to begin with.
	I don't even need to give a counter definition in order to go into the worldview.
	It's called an internal critique.
	People do it all the time.
	It's fine to do one.
	People have definitions.
	You can internally critique those definitions.
	Appealing to a dictionary definition doesn't mean it's the correct definition.
	So she asked to explain her argument.
	You don't have to.
	She made the argument.
	So, yes.
	Yes.
	Do you believe that's what you have to explain anything?
	When you make an argument, I don't have to do anything but internally critique it because it's your position.
	Yes, that's right.
	That's correct.
	Do you believe that Reconstruction was done perfectly?
	What do you mean by Reconstruction?
	After the Emancipation Proclamation passed?
	Well, and then perfect.
	What do you mean by perfect?
	I'm sorry?
	What do you mean by perfect?
	When did I say perfect?
	You said was Reconstruction done perfectly?
	Oh.
	Oh, yeah.
	Was it done in a way so that we currently have no systematic injustice, discrimination, racism against black people?
	No, I would say that there might be some.
	Okay.
	So you didn't even obliterate my argument.
	In fact, you somewhat agreed with it at times.
	No, all I did was answer a question.
	Okay.
	Well.
	So, yeah, so there might be some, but that doesn't mean that there's more than there is against any other race.
	It doesn't mean that there's less or more than there are against whites.
	It doesn't mean that there's less or more than there are against this or that.
	All I did was say, sure.
	But I said it in the context of Reconstruction after slavery.
	And there could still be overhaul systems, but there could be other factors which lead to other races being more racially profiled, perhaps.
	Do you think that any other race has experienced a worse not cleavage but historical acts than black Americans in America?
	Native Americans had a pretty awful time.
	Yeah, they did.
	And I'd say that they're, yeah, but besides that, can't you say that definitively then they in society experience a general level of inequality that is higher than that?
	Now that's a different argument, asking a then and now.
	Well, I asked you if you thought Reconstruction was perfect.
	Yeah, but when you said perfect, all you did was say that you would admit that there could possibly be inequalities even now.
	And I would say, sure, there could be.
	Is there equalities even though?
	I don't know.
	Name one.
	Planned parenthood targeting black communities?
	That would not be an inequality that's done from the government level.
	That would be an institutional progressive lobbying group that's doing that.
	Yeah.
	Well, it would be a progressive lobbying group that's doing that.
	The government's not forcing blacks to have abortions.
	Okay, but we elected to.
	You elected who?
	You elected people who forced blacks to have abortions?
	Is the institutions and the government actually targeting specific races?
	Is that the question?
	I think in that particular case, she's asking yes if Planned Parenthood itself, well, that was her.
	Or any or any institution within the United States is targeting specific races of people?
	Yeah.
	Okay, well, the answer is yes.
	That definitely does happen.
	That happens with black people.
	It happens with.
	Now, race, like I said, race is a race.
	That's what I just said.
	It happens to all sorts of different races.
	I'm not willing to concede immediately that it happens more to one group than another.
	That's why I asked for specifics.
	Well, I was about to give a specific.
	I was about to tell you a specific.
	I'm not, like I said, racism can happen to anybody.
	But for example, human trafficking, for example, if I think someone, I was doing an interview with someone running for Congress and they said where four children will go missing of brown, white, black background, at least 5,000 Indigenous women and children will go missing.
	And DHS is involved in this.
	You know, family courts are involved in this.
	Immigration is involved in this.
	Like a bunch of different agencies from the government are actually involved in trafficking minority children.
	So there is okay.
	Well, there's a lot of what my point is, there is a lot of government agencies that do target minorities.
	White people can get racism as well, but there is government agencies involved in a lot of stuff.
	Do you think they target white people by kind of shutting down any argument by basically saying you can't even have a say in this, you're white?
	I mean, they're kind of shutting down.
	I've heard people do that.
	I mean, you're kind of like scoffing, but if you can't.
	Not in the government.
	In this conversation, yeah, probably.
	But no, no, but what I'm saying is if you're basically negating somebody's perspective purely based on their race and they can't even have a perspective on it, isn't that kind of racist?
	I never said anyone.
	Nobody ever said anyone was negating anyone's perspective.
	Were you not here for all the riots that happened where the government inside these major metropolitan areas literally cleared their police forces out so that people could riot, loot, destroy, take over whole city blocks, things like that?
	Pretty institutional, I must say.
	But that's not actively discriminating against white people.
	That's pretty actively discriminating against certain groups.
	Again, WIO owned another group.
	Traced my family hundreds of years.
	We're Irish.
	We were slaves.
	Do we have records of who profited/slash-owned slaves in the U.S.?
	Why are all and only white people held responsible?
	Also, you know, when you look at the slave trade, too, we're also some of the first to end it.
	So we're always held responsible for that as well.
	Well, I also think it's interesting that the generalization to say, you know, we hear a lot of times leftists blaming all white people for this, that, and the other.
	And the reality is, is many people even that live in the United States that are white, their family immigrated here much later than slavery, right?
	So how would you hold them responsible for things that happened?
	I don't think we have to hold them responsible at all.
	I'm benefiting from the institution.
	No, How do we?
	How do we know?
	And I don't disagree.
	And I don't, and I don't, I mean, what's it called?
	And I don't immediately disagree with white people just on the basis that they're white.
	I don't think that either of those are.
	No, I don't think you necessarily.
	I was like extrapolating something that happens more generally.
	So it's basically like, oh, you can't have an opinion because you weren't impacted by it.
	And that kind of happens with men on certain topics, like you don't have a US shut up.
	Or you weren't involved, you weren't a slave, so you don't know what it's like to be affected by racism.
	As if people who aren't that exact thing, then they can't have an opinion.
	I think that's what I was talking about.
	I wasn't saying specifically you.
	Yeah.
	I don't know.
	I think they're, I think it's pretty common for.
	I see what you mean from some communities, definitely, probably like shutting down white people's opinions.
	But I think, I don't know, I don't think it's gotten to like a systematic level yet where they're like afraid to express them in public.
	I guess a lot of people are kind of afraid to express things.
	They get depersoned if they express the wrong opinion.
	What do you mean?
	They get thrown off of all media.
	They get completely, I mean, they get de-banked.
	They get, yeah, I would say that there's a pretty institutional drive at this point that's pretty hard to ignore.
	I think that's heavier against Christians, though.
	I think Christians are persecuting people.
	You think it's wrong to shut down and oppress other people's opinions?
	No, I'm making a point, a specific point about institutional because he doesn't think I should have an opinion on who's president.
	Oh, my God.
	Don't worry about it.
	Which we all know it's going to be Trump.
	I'm going to be voting for Trump.
	I don't understand why it's hard for you to make a disassociation.
	Trump 2024, everybody vote for Trump.
	So if you're making a disassociation with an argument, I can hold an argument in my mind without conceding that it's true.
	I can argue a thing without ceding it's true or false.
	I can run an internal critique without ever ceding it's true or false.
	Making the argument that you're wrong is not making the argument that I hold that value.
	I don't know why you have had a hard time with that all night.
	There's no performative contradictions to anything that I've said.
	Me saying that there can be, by her definition, institutional authorities which discriminate against people in no way, shape, or form negates me saying that limiting women's suffrage would be good for society.
	I don't know what you were talking about just now.
	You were talking about racism.
	No, you were talking about racism and you're talking about how you're talking about racism and how you think that, you know, isn't it wrong to basically shut down white people, for example, having a say in the future?
	That's an internal critique.
	It's an internal critique.
	It's not me giving any actual, like, here's my opinion.
	Here's what I think on it.
	It's literally just running on her argument.
	I think it's wrong.
	Everyone should have a say in these things and be able to speak on these things.
	No one should be trying to, you know, say you can't say certain words because we all have freedom of speech, which is in the Constitution, which you don't believe in.
	But I know, you know, most Americans do believe in that.
	The right to free speech.
	Okay, great.
	You know, that's a great segue.
	So you think that there's a right to free speech?
	Really?
	You really think that?
	We have the Constitution, which has the First Amendment, which refrains our government from interfering and infringing on our right to free speech.
	Yeah, are they doing that with Mr. Jones right now, do you think?
	Or do you think that they're impeding his free speech, his rights?
	Alex Jones?
	Would you say that the government's impeding his free speech?
	I would say, I mean, you'd have to define what.
	The First Amendment.
	No, no, no.
	I hear what you're saying.
	You're talking about a civil lawsuit that happened, right?
	Which I believe the accusation was, was it slander or defamation?
	Right?
	His speech, nobody's came and put a muzzle over his mouth.
	Like, he technically can say whatever he wants at this point in time.
	But the thing is, is FI went out there and I said something about like something not true about the whatever podcasts say, I could be liable for that, right?
	So I can't actually go.
	So I'm not saying whether what he said was true or not.
	I'm not making an argument in that single point.
	What I'm saying is that is it an inherent right, meaning is this something which can be taken from you arbitrarily for no reason given?
	The answer is yes.
	Your First Amendment, you have a First Amendment right now.
	Let's say, okay, so let me try to phrase it the best way I can.
	Let's assume another country came in and just like butchered all of our men folk.
	They just gunned them all down with machine guns and left all the women folk and said, none of you bitches got free speech anymore.
	That's what they said.
	They're like, none of you bitches, no more free speech ever.
	Do you have it or not?
	No.
	No.
	The right does not exist.
	Absent enforcement.
	No right exists, absent enforcement.
	That's the point of my argument.
	Now, that's actually my argument.
	Now, right now, you can run an internal critique, and you don't even have to agree or give me a position to run one.
	Go ahead.
	Okay, so your opinion is because at any moment, your rights can be taken from you, therefore you don't have rights.
	They're not inherent, meaning they don't exist absent the mind.
	You and I can, we can all agree at the table.
	We should all have free speech and then act as though we should, and so we will.
	So, all right.
	No, no rights.
	No rights are inherent.
	Okay, so what about free will then?
	Is that not a right that God gave us?
	That's not a right.
	It's part of your ontology.
	It's part of your being that you have free will.
	You're created with this thing.
	That's different than saying that there's an arbitrary right which you have, the right to own a gun.
	Or let's take the Second Amendment, right?
	Or not the Second Amendment, the Third Amendment.
	So the Second Amendment is a well-regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state.
	The right of the people to keep bear arms should not be infringed, right?
	Bam.
	Third Amendment.
	We're talking about housing.
	I believe that that is the government can't come in and take over your house during wartime.
	Okay, they're not allowed to do that.
	They can do that.
	They have done that.
	And there's not really fucking anything you can do about it.
	Rights can be suspended.
	Rights can be given.
	Rights can be taken away because rights are only as good as the enforcement arm of who gives you the right.
	The second you make the bold claim, I have these rights, and they're just mine because I was born with them, then you would have to show me where those rights exist after.
	So then what gives you the right to be the head of the household?
	Enforcement.
	Oh, okay.
	So your rights to be the head of the household aren't because of God commanding it, but because you have the physical brute force to subject a woman to the overarch in society is going to come down to force.
	I can say that there's an ontological order that I ought to be the head of the household absent force.
	That's great for an ought claim.
	But the truth is, the descriptor is that I'm only ever going to have as much power inside the household or inside of anywhere as I can enforce.
	And so are you, and so are you, and you, you, and you, and everybody.
	Enforce or like force?
	Because like my father never.
	Enforce and force are essentially the same dynamic.
	Well, I've never, like my father's never forced me to do anything, but I submit by my own free will.
	But I see the love of God in him, and he has shown me an example in my everyday life that I can trust him as the leader of our house.
	And so, like, women, the first person that they learn to interact with, like to love opposite sex, obviously their father, my father says, you have to teach that daughter or your children.
	You have to show them in your example that you have to trust them and that they're worthy of that respect and that they're valuable to your level.
	I guess I understand what you're saying, but it misses the broader point, which is that if people came into your house to do harm to you, your father protects you from that, right?
	Yeah, of course.
	Of course.
	He uses force to do so, right?
	So all this relationship and everything you have and anything you think you have a right to with your father is really still going to boil down to what can and can't be enforced.
	Right now, society in his actions that he is a man of God and he is strong and capable and he's going to protect me and provide for me.
	And so I see in that everyday action in my relationship with him that yes, I can trust you as that authority.
	Yeah, but this misses the point, though, of enforcement, that your rights, your actual rights, what you consider a right to be, is really only going to come down to how much you can enforce or not enforce that right, period.
	That's why we have to have guns enforcement.
	Great.
	Awesome.
	That's an actually good argument for me.
	Yes, that's why you need to have guns because that helps to equalize force for rights.
	But it really does always come down to force and there's no way to get around that.
	That is a descriptive truth of objective reality.
	Force is what determines rights.
	Rights don't exist.
	They're a construct of the mind.
	It's great.
	We can agree on things and we can act as though these things are true, but they're not really true.
	They're just products of the brain.
	Should men be trying, should Christian men be trying to follow the ways of Jesus Christ and God?
	I got to move on.
	I got to move on.
	Does God use force?
	Yes.
	There it is.
	Okay, Okie Doki.
	These women never had their ideologies.
	Sodom and Gomorrah.
	But he also gives us free will.
	Yeah, I agree with that too.
	These women never had their ideologies thoroughly challenged before.
	You were doing God's work, Andrew.
	Also, Gustavo, like Yakut G. Ask the panel what they think of mandatory conscription for men only.
	We need to get through a bunch of chats, guys.
	So if you can, allow us to get through the chats, answer the questions, but let's try to be brief.
	I understand the biological argument.
	However, I wouldn't be mad if women had to get drafted too.
	Okay.
	Would you go?
	No, I would go to jail.
	I would take the time.
	I kind of feel like.
	But I'd do the same if I was a man.
	Okay.
	Conscript those bitches, just not me.
	What do you think of that?
	You're out of the frame.
	You're out of the frame.
	Go ahead.
	I agree with her.
	Okay.
	I don't think women should be drafted.
	I mean, I wouldn't want to be drafted, so I'm going to say no.
	I think it would be a very bad idea if women were drafted just coming from a standpoint of trying to protect your country.
	I don't think women should be drafted, at least at the bare minimum.
	If they were, it should not be combat roles.
	I don't want women to be conscripted.
	I mean, like I said earlier, I don't really see the big problem with it.
	I think that there are different roles that would best fit.
	Okay.
	We have David Treziak.
	Thank you, man.
	Chair: one, two, three, four, five, six.
	Great debaters.
	I thought Andrew was related to Owen and Luke Wilson.
	Okay, love this debate.
	British Thing, please.
	Appreciate the debate.
	British Thing, please.
	I'm a little confused.
	You want to detect that?
	Don't they have like that town square where they go and they all yell at each other in the town square?
	I don't remember what that is.
	Like Christians debating Muslims.
	Yeah, yeah.
	All right.
	We have some super chats here.
	Just a reminder, guys: YouTube takes a brutal 30% cut of all of these.
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	Second girl in black, next to Andrew's based.
	I like Andrew.
	He tells the truth.
	These women need to actually listen to the first girl is actually brainwashed.
	Holy shoot.
	Blondie's a fake conservative.
	As a former cop answers the gun is alarming ladies get a gun, Jesus.
	Okay.
	Yeah, she's been awesome all night.
	All right.
	Thank you, Hern.
	We have Ben George.
	Why is it so hard for her to admit racism against white people is a thing?
	Because our education system and media is systemically racist against white people and systemically sexist towards especially white men.
	Your quick response to that?
	I'm white.
	Well, you're half white.
	You're half Asian, half white?
	Yes.
	Are you Japanese, Chinese, Korean, Laos, Vietnamese?
	I'm Chinese, specifically from Hong Kong.
	My mom.
	She gets mad if I say the other thing because she hates socialists.
	Would you look at that?
	But, anyways, about this.
	Would you look at that?
	I would say that a lot of people tend to think that the education system is biased.
	And you know what?
	If it is, and that's why I believe the things I do, then I guess it is.
	But I personally have faith in academia.
	And wouldn't I be stupid if I didn't believe what I learned in school?
	No, I mean, to your point, I was an ethical science major.
	I went through the whole system, and I pretty much believe the exact opposite of everything I've ever learned because I continued my education.
	I continued to read, and I observed reality, and I realized this doesn't make any sense starting with feminist ideology, gender ideology, especially when you start having kids, you realize it's all bullshit.
	I'll take that into consideration.
	She's taking it into consideration.
	As it stands, I still think that, you know.
	Think what?
	What do you think?
	I have faith in my education.
	Well, yeah, you probably spent a fortune on it.
	No, I have a scholarship, but thank you.
	Do you?
	Thank you.
	Or do you spend a fortune on it?
	Do you want me to actually pull up my school?
	I'm just curious.
	Pull that shit out.
	Is it an athletic scholarship?
	No, I'm not an athlete.
	It's academic.
	I'm kind of getting softball vibes from that.
	No.
	Oh, I was on track.
	That's offensive.
	Why is that offensive?
	Softball is a very respectable athletic thing and a sport.
	Do the underhand pitch.
	Are you an underhander?
	Yeah, it's an underhand pitch for sure.
	It's two circles, right?
	Yeah, two circles.
	Yeah, that's me.
	Big softball.
	Have you ever done that third circle thing?
	What the fuck is that?
	Is that legal?
	I don't know.
	Probably not.
	Okay.
	Is this girl really so dumb she thinks some are incapable of prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism by an individual community or institution against a person or people on the basis of their membership in a particular racial or ethnic group?
	Even a third grader knows.
	I ceded this.
	There is an alternate version of racism and sexism.
	But I agree that everyone can experience racism and sexism.
	Thank you, FB, for that.
	We have Mr. Travolta with the 100 British pound sterling.
	Thank you.
	Yes, you can be racist and sexist towards white, black, or blue, or pink people.
	Well, hold on a second.
	I don't know about those pink people.
	Okay.
	Not all countries have a history of historic black slavery and there's racism in those countries.
	Look at the definition of the word.
	They have meaning.
	That's what is lost on this generation though.
	Is this, I think this is directed towards you.
	I don't know.
	I mean, like I said, I was just two different definitions of the word racism.
	Mr. Travolta, once again, Brian, you're taking a big poop.
	Why can't you come and sit down and actually run your podcast?
	It's disrespectful.
	Anyway, I've noticed that white people are shut down because of their skin color.
	BTW, I'm not white, so no bias.
	I feel like it's respectful.
	He feels like he's putting his confidence in me if he has to go.
	Well, you know, actually, a lot of people, you know, say, hey, Brian, you got to, when Andrew's on, you got to shut the fuck up.
	And let Andrew talk more.
	So, you know, I figured out, okay, I'll get up and meander around back there.
	It's been a good brawl and harass Nick a little bit and all that stuff.
	So, okay.
	We have not like not harassing.
	Okay, anyways, never mind.
	Ask half a.
	Oh, wait, this is all right.
	Okay, we don't read those.
	Sorry.
	Actually, fuck it.
	Why not?
	Okay.
	Sorry.
	Okay, I'm doing you a solid here.
	And this is Canadian, too, so that's like $1.
	No offense, Keisha.
	Keisha?
	Sorry, did they say right?
	Well, I'm American Indian, so I'm sovereign on both sides.
	So shout out to the USB.
	Shout out.
	Do you date Asian guys?
	Let's talk about, let's do dating for the rest of the show, if we can, guys.
	Let's try.
	Not my preference, but my first boyfriend was half white, half Asian.
	Your first boyfriend?
	But it's not your preference to date Asian men?
	Like, are you attracted to full Asian men?
	This is so agreeable.
	And to the mic.
	No, I'm sorry.
	Maybe the right man, but like I said, not exactly my type.
	Oh, we'll go around the table on this.
	Everyone's type.
	Are you a race trader?
	I too have been getting away with radio.
	Are you a race?
	Let's just say she's just like her mama.
	So, wait, you're a Hong Kong mom?
	Yeah.
	Is your dad American or British?
	Oh, because of the colonization.
	He's American.
	Yeah, but she definitely has an idolization of both of the countries.
	Okay.
	So, okay, going around the table, I guess, what's everyone's type?
	Should we keep it to race?
	I feel like it'd be a little simpler.
	Jesus Christ.
	What am I doing?
	You didn't even have to ask me the question.
	I was ready to.
	Do you prefer white guys?
	Do you have a racial, for everyone at the table, Do you have a racial preference when it comes to dating?
	White guys, Latinas.
	Renee, you got this.
	Why is it just me?
	It always starts over there.
	Okay.
	You got this.
	I believe in you.
	You're doing great.
	Yeah, I'd say probably white men.
	But I've dated other races, and I don't think that's a huge determining factor.
	Why is it not your preference for Asian men?
	Like, why?
	I'm always curious about that.
	Short.
	They're short?
	I said it earlier, D1 babies, and he didn't understand what I meant.
	It's like when kids go to athletics and they're like D1, D2, D3.
	But you want D1 babies that's a lot of fun.
	How tall are you?
	I'm 5'5, 5'6, on a good day.
	So I've got a decent presence.
	But you think the guy who wants D1 babies wants you?
	Rude.
	Yeah, for my softball arm.
	Okay.
	So it's just a height thing.
	What if he was a tall Asian guy, though?
	Is that fine?
	These are very.
	These are so.
	I'm just curious.
	Like I said, it would depend on the person.
	I'm not ruling any race out purely because of their race.
	I know you're half right, but I'm always, I don't get it.
	Like, it seems like a lot of Asian ladies are opting not to date Asian men.
	It's called the Biba Doobie theory.
	You guys know that?
	No.
	She's like this Asian pop singer and she has a white boyfriend.
	It's like all Asian women have white boyfriends type of thing.
	That's cool.
	What about you?
	Any preferences?
	I don't have a racial preference.
	No preference.
	No.
	Okay.
	My preference is literally just like a man of God.
	I don't care where you come from.
	I've dated predominantly white men, but I don't think I have a racial preference.
	I've dated predominantly white men as well, but no racial preference.
	I probably have also dated mostly white men as well.
	But I wouldn't rule out an Asian man if he was really good looking, if I was single.
	Wait.
	Do we go back?
	Is this a callback, Eric?
	Yeah.
	I mean, it would have to be something intentalizing and intelligent.
	Well, Asian men are intelligent, usually.
	No, but you said he was really good.
	Yes, but you said if he was really good looking.
	You said that earlier, you said that appearance didn't matter.
	That's why they're clear.
	Right.
	Okay, so I get that.
	No, I get that.
	Anyways, we won't linger on that too long.
	I don't have a racial preference.
	I don't have a preference, but I would like them to be taller than me.
	Wait, you're currently in a relationship, right?
	Well, yeah.
	Is he white guy, Hispanic?
	Latino.
	Latino?
	Okay.
	Andrew, your preference, racial preference in that?
	According to the internet, I have a black ex-wife, so maybe no preference, I guess.
	Sweet.
	All right, we have Veteran Six.
	As a veteran of multiple deployments, we do not want to see you drafted.
	Not because the panel couldn't handle support jobs, but because this feminist would weaken the force.
	Sorry, there are no pumpkin spice lattes or AC in war from Veteran 6.
	Hey, thank you, man.
	Appreciate it.
	Thank you for the soup chat.
	No pumpkin spice lattes in war.
	Yep.
	Good times.
	Okay, let's get some dating questions out of the way.
	So actually, and the fictitious black ex-wife has a warrant out for her arrest, I'm told, too.
	Wow.
	This is like the Andrew Wilson lore.
	Yeah, doing it up.
	Really quick, let's pull up the YouTube.
	The YouTube.
	Guys, get us to 1 million subscribers.
	Can you pull up the other tab?
	Where are we at?
	Okay, that shit's not going to happen tonight.
	Rest in peace.
	Okay, it's going to probably happen tomorrow.
	Get over there, Crucible.
	Do it.
	It's going to happen.
	It's probably going to happen tomorrow, and then we'll announce it.
	It's going to happen on Tuesday.
	I don't think it's going to happen tonight, but okay, it's fine.
	It's fine.
	All right.
	So let me get into my pre-show notes.
	There's a bunch.
	I'm going to try to get through everything.
	So there's a lot here, guys.
	So let's try not to linger on anything for too long.
	We have Alicia.
	And try to be brief in your responses for everybody here as I'm going through all of your pre-show notes.
	You said you've greatly shifted from being a stereotypical liberal to more conservative.
	You said you consider yourself a recovered feminist who is not traditional but fell into tradition.
	Back when you're caught up in the lifestyle of degeneracy, you were arrested.
	Nick, that's the wrong split.
	Say it again.
	Arrested.
	Okay.
	For what?
	Driving under the influence.
	Okay.
	And then the arresting officer gave the arresting officer gave me his phone number and he released me to the custody of my father.
	And then he basically said to reach out to him.
	So I did.
	And we ended up having coffee.
	And he told me he wasn't going to show up to my hearing to help me out, basically.
	And so.
	Did it get dismissed?
	It did.
	That female privilege.
	So I was going to say that was a dating talk.
	She's shocked.
	She is shocked.
	I am shocked.
	Now, this is a perfect example of female privilege.
	I was going to say, so I brought it up as a dating thing.
	It sounds like a date.
	It does sound like a date.
	Yeah, it was.
	Oh, it was a date.
	Yeah.
	That's why he said, do you have any interesting stories?
	And I really don't.
	I have like 19 years of relationships.
	So that was the only one that stood out.
	But more so than it being a story about an interesting date, I actually thought it reflected, one, men's benevolence, because he was in a position where he greatly could have taken advantage of the situation and really kind of manipulated or pushed my boundaries in order to kind of, you know, put himself in a situation.
	Well, I'll do this.
	It has to be unethical.
	Like a totally unethical.
	It was totally unethical.
	Totally unethical.
	Super unethical.
	Wait, so did you end up dating the guy or you just went out with him once?
	No, I just went out with him once.
	One time?
	One time.
	Did he show up for the hearing?
	Wait, he did not.
	No, he didn't.
	Was there any carnal knowledge?
	There was no carnal knowledge.
	No carnal knowledge.
	No.
	That's what I was saying.
	You got to employ your way out of DUI, otherwise.
	I've had a police officer.
	Well, and I got my karma.
	You got your karma.
	I got another DUI.
	Oh, no.
	So isn't that like a strike against him?
	Isn't that like saying if he had given you the DUI earlier, you may not have gotten the DUI later?
	No, I mean, I basically had 17 years of struggling with alcoholism.
	So I went down a pretty dark path and took my now husband on that dark path.
	So, yeah.
	Okay.
	All done, though.
	It is all done.
	How long?
	How long have you been sober?
	Well, I got sober completely when I was pregnant with my son.
	So that was about three and a half years ago.
	And yeah.
	Well, congrats on your sobriety.
	Congratulations.
	You said hot take.
	Don't shoot the messenger here, guys.
	Women have become the villain in our modern story.
	That's what you said, not me.
	So, I just to take, okay, let me see.
	How do I want to say this?
	I'm noticing it one with how single women actually behave, but I am also kind of disturbed by how I see women in a position of like mother, being a mother.
	This might be kind of a weird example, but because of I'm a single, or not a single mom, sorry, because I'm a stay-at-home mom, some of the content that gets directed toward me, it's these like trad wife, so to speak.
	But they're always really complaining about like their life and oh, the kids, and then they position it like their husband have it so easy.
	And it just really kind of bothers me because I'm like, How could your life be hard if you're making content?
	Like, I don't like you're sitting there with your camera positioning yourself like your life is so hard.
	And I'm a stay-at-home mom, I have two young kids, and not that it's not without difficulty, but I think it's like such a privilege and an honor.
	And I just noticed that women don't really lean into their duty, they kind of have become selfish, and they don't really care about the overall good of society right now.
	They care more about themselves.
	Okay, all right.
	You really quick going back to you said you were caught up in the lifestyle of degeneracy.
	I mean, I know you mentioned the alcohol.
	Was there, was there anything else besides alcohol?
	No, that was pretty much it.
	I mean, I definitely dabbled with some like drug use, but nothing hard, mainly like weed.
	And you, like, also, are you talking like hookup culture stuff?
	No, so I wasn't really involved in hookup culture because I had, like I said, like 19 years of pretty serious relationships.
	So, it was mainly like the alcoholism.
	But what I would do in order to feed that alcoholism, I started working at bars, which is a pretty toxic environment to be in, especially in a relationship.
	And I didn't really listen to my now-husband at the time who was expressing concerns.
	And that's why I said for me, that would be a red flag if a man had a vice.
	The super?
	I think you yeah, can you catch it?
	Sorry, go ahead.
	I was just saying that's why, for me, it would be a red flag if a guy was leaning into his vice because I've seen what it can do.
	Um, and I never feel a ton of shame and regret for putting my husband through that.
	Um, and so that's where I come from.
	Uh, Mr. Travolta, no drinks at all.
	What's up?
	No drinks at all, like, period?
	No, so, like, for instance, on Easter, uh, someone brought a bottle of champagne and I had like a cup of it.
	But it doesn't, it used to be like I wouldn't be able to stop, nor would I want to.
	You drank, you drank it to drink the Sahara dry, basically.
	Basically, yeah.
	Mr. Travolta, thank you, man.
	Uh, Devil's Advocate, was the DUI story an example of white privilege, female privilege, or neither of those?
	Uh, female privilege, for sure, and also, like I said, men's benevolence.
	I think cops, and I had a pretty bad opinion of cops, kind of, again, based on like my education and whatnot.
	Um, but I felt like in hindsight that was a really good example of, I mean, he didn't do an ethical thing, but he definitely could have taken it much further and really pushed me to be like, you know, being trying to be like, well, if you do this, then I could not stay, or then I'll abstain from attending your hearing.
	But he really was actually pretty nice.
	What was it?
	The AA when you got the DUI, they sent you to AAA.
	I mean, they send you to these classes, but I didn't really buy into it.
	I was basically doing everything I could to keep up with my alcoholism.
	Wait, can somebody stop shaking the table?
	Somebody's like leg is vibrating.
	It's okay.
	It's okay.
	Let's see.
	You said that you're a fan of the bow.
	You're fancy.
	Well, so I'm not necessarily a fan of it, but I do watch your podcast.
	I used to watch or listen to Loveline.
	And so when I stumbled on your podcast, it was reminiscent of that.
	And so I was listening to it as I was cooking, and I just thought it was funny.
	And I thought it was really funny how some of the women reacted.
	And so when my husband got home and he took off his boots and whatnot, I hit him with a bow and his reaction was pretty priceless.
	Oh, yeah?
	I mean, I'm not going to go into it completely, but I probably could have got like anything I wanted that day.
	It was a good.
	Was he, did he say it?
	Did he say anything?
	I mean, his face said a lot.
	And then, like I said, I'm not going to go on.
	You guys had a little carnal knowledge?
	No, we have two kids, so it'd have to be like later on.
	Oh.
	I'm just saying, like, he was.
	He was impressed.
	He was very, he was a fan of the bow.
	Was it your first time ever doing a bow?
	Yeah, I would never, again, I'm a recovered feminist.
	I never would have bowed to a man.
	Look at this.
	See, people, should we show them a bow?
	In a woman, in a girl, girlfriend.
	I need a bow.
	She has to bow.
	Boom.
	Look at that fucking bow.
	Now watch the rest of it.
	No, you could.
	Okay, we'll see the boom.
	Did you see the bow?
	Huge.
	Now watch, right?
	Look at the attentiveness.
	Okay.
	Boom.
	Just, you know, folding my shirt.
	It's very nice.
	She's running to the kitchen in our million, our $10,000 month penthouse apartment, getting the beer.
	Very attentive.
	The dinner's ready.
	She stirs the noodles.
	I don't need that.
	You don't have to stir the noodles.
	The thought is to stir the noise.
	You have to stir the noodles.
	She has to stir the noodles.
	Yeah, very attentive.
	One more time with the bow.
	Let's see the bow.
	I'll settle for the bow.
	Boom.
	Huge.
	Huge.
	Okay.
	So you hit the.
	Was it the bow like that?
	I mean, it was my first bow.
	It was your first bow.
	It was my first.
	It might have been resting.
	If she doesn't stir the noodles, Brian.
	Oh, Mandy, can you somebody fix that?
	Go fix that.
	Well, what, you know.
	Look, me personally.
	You can't give it a sign of respect and then not stir the noodles, bro.
	I guess you're right.
	I've rethought my position.
	She has to stir the noodles.
	She's got to stir the noodles too.
	Question going around the panel really quick on the bow thing.
	Your boyfriend wants you to bow.
	Would you bow?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Sure.
	Sure.
	That's not very enthusiastic.
	Because I told him they can get whatever they want from it.
	I mean, yeah, you shouldn't have done that.
	A way to enable them.
	Yes, when I love a man, I will do anything for that.
	Well, what if you don't love him yet?
	No.
	Like it's the second date, third date?
	He's like, let's see the bow.
	Oh, hell no.
	Hell no.
	Hell no.
	What if he was like, well, I'm only going to pay for first dates until I'm in love with you?
	I don't even know if you want men to pay for the first date, but.
	Yeah, I mean, I like it, but.
	Okay.
	Yes.
	You'd bow?
	Would you bow?
	I would bow.
	I just think that my husband's response would be very unusual.
	I think he would probably.
	I think he would probably look at me like, what are you doing?
	And then he would probably be like, so anyway, do you want to let you want to talk to me about his new math formula you did?
	Like, I don't think he would.
	He'd be like, what kind of crazy shit are they teaching you on the whatever podcast?
	No, I honestly think he would be like, is your back okay?
	Like, what are you doing?
	Like, I don't think he would.
	I think he wouldn't believe it.
	No, no, I don't think he would understand why and what that would be, whatever even meant.
	You know what I mean?
	No, you do the bow.
	Would you bow?
	100%.
	100%.
	I love worshiping myself.
	Wow, this is, I feel like you, because you told us the story, now they're more inclined to bow.
	Maybe I should have asked beforehand if they would do a bow.
	How about would you make your man a sandwich?
	I think he would be reciprocative of that.
	If I made him a sandwich, he'd be like, oh, all right.
	Doing your new sandwich?
	Make him a sandwich.
	Look at this anti-feminist over here.
	You guys heard my story in the beginning, okay?
	Clearly, when it comes to relationships, there's not the same amount of feminism there when it comes to my belief system.
	And I make my husband sandwiches all the time.
	I'm just getting it.
	He notices when I do things like that for him.
	I don't think he would pick up on bowing.
	On the bow thing, though, you said bowing to a man yields amazing results.
	You were watching one of my episodes.
	While you're cooking him dinner, you told us this, came in, you hit him with a bow.
	His reaction was priceless.
	And you thought to yourself, Brian might be onto something.
	Yep.
	Listen.
	I will only use it for good, but all the ladies out there, all the women out there, try a fucking bow.
	Just saying, do a little bow.
	Actually, any girls here want to demonstrate a bow?
	Anybody?
	That's reserved for my husband.
	No, you don't have to bow to me.
	You can just bow to the camera, I guess.
	Anyone want to bow, Renee?
	I think we need to see a bow from you.
	Whoa, is that racially charged?
	Yes, just give it a no.
	Oh, she's going to do it.
	The patriarchy wins again.
	Okay.
	I need all the donations.
	Oh, but the don't do it.
	Millennial Million.
	Don't do it.
	They're trying to see down your shirt.
	Oh, my.
	Bro.
	So true.
	What?
	What?
	I need a little bit of a trendy.
	I could totally see you.
	Do you wait in a way where you don't bend over and show the give her a fucking jacket then?
	God damn.
	I actually object.
	He totally was mad because I blocked that.
	I'm sorry.
	Okay.
	I'm not sorry to you.
	I think it's right there.
	Don't try to look down her shirt.
	It's not feminist.
	It's called being respectful.
	I'm not trying.
	Bro, you saw her shirt.
	It was like we were about to see her.
	Okay.
	Keisha, who's wearing a fucking t-shirt?
	It has nothing to do with trying to see some titties.
	Okay.
	I want to see the bow.
	I really don't like that characterization there.
	I think it's a straw man.
	I think you're straw manning.
	A little bit of a straw man.
	Millennial million.
	No, I think it's not you.
	It was like I totally on the screen was, you know, just I agree with what Faith said.
	I think the bow should be reserved to your man if you're going to be.
	Bro, she was about to do it.
	You guys.
	I know, but it's true.
	Like, Simon's saying, this is for my ex if he's watching.
	No, yeah, you're good.
	Well, do it if you want, but just know that we can totally see down your shirt.
	No, it's okay.
	I'm good.
	Sorry, guys.
	We're about to.
	What did I tell you about libertarians, Brian?
	I'm not a libertarian.
	I'm a conservative.
	Thank you very much.
	I'm a Christian conservative.
	Can we see the bow that you gave to your husband?
	Can we see that?
	It might be sub-par, but.
	Okay, we'll see.
	Let's see.
	So, ladies, this is a tutorial that she did a bow to her husband.
	It worked great.
	Why don't you just show us?
	I don't know.
	Wait, did you do your hands together?
	Oh, yeah.
	I don't think I did.
	No, you don't.
	You don't do the hands together.
	Your hands are like down here and you're kind of timid.
	It has to be a timid hand towards her.
	I mean, I don't know.
	It was a bow.
	No, it's still a bow, but I don't like the this.
	I don't like the that.
	I don't like the that.
	Too Buddhist-y.
	Yeah, I don't know.
	Well, I'm Catholic.
	I don't know.
	All right.
	We almost made progress on Renee here.
	We almost made progress and then just, you know, I'm disappointed.
	Okay.
	Don't you.
	The patriarchy could totally have taken the W.
	I know.
	We could have taken the W. Unfortunately, the feminist had to come in and cover her.
	Oh, here's my question.
	I'm not a feminist.
	I think you're about to cover it.
	In her case here, no, in her case here, she's a married listen.
	That's pretty feminist of you.
	Oh, no.
	That's pretty feminist of you.
	No, it's just I'm wise.
	To prevent the girls.
	I'm wise to the tricks of men that want to be aware of it.
	I just take advantage here.
	Even if it wasn't you two, the whole internet is watching, and you don't know what's going on.
	That's what I'm saying of the men watching this podcast.
	You said the internet is forever with OnlyFans.
	So you're wanting her to show you.
	Am I getting Me2'd for trying to get her to be able to do it?
	You're not being me too.
	You're not being me too.
	And maybe you didn't pick up on the subtlety.
	I just had the, I had to do it.
	They don't do it because you're trying to look down your shirt.
	So why are you dogging me for letting her know I can see down her shirt?
	Yeah, but you implied that that was our intention.
	No.
	What evidence do you have?
	You know, I don't know if that's your intention, but it wasn't.
	It wasn't.
	It's my fault for wearing the shirt.
	Yeah, how dare you?
	Free the nipple, I guess.
	A true bauer would have been way more conservative.
	That's what I'm saying.
	Conservative men wouldn't want to free the nipple.
	Oh, shit, Maddie.
	Can you get her the Japanese schoolgirl outfit?
	That'll cover it.
	Wait, it's upstairs.
	Go for it.
	Wait, Nick, do you know where it is?
	Maddie, do you know where it is?
	No.
	If it's upstairs, I'll talk about it.
	Yeah, Nick, it's upstairs.
	I think it's wait.
	Is it upstairs?
	Now, this might be racially insensitive.
	I don't know if.
	Just see if it's like there's a blue one and a white one.
	I think it's time for me to go have a cigarette while you do this Japanese schoolgirl thing.
	Look on his face.
	You know, there's a concern over the tire that Renee is wearing.
	You know, it's.
	Oh, wow.
	Oh, my God.
	That's a Sailor Moon.
	Oh, my God.
	It's literally a schoolgirl outfit.
	The Sailor Moon is a little bit more fair.
	The schoolgirl outfit.
	I can't believe you have those on hand.
	There should be a shirt open to like a child's uniform.
	I think we do the.
	I just thought we were over the back.
	Did we do the Sailor Moon one?
	Yeah, I guess we're.
	Are we doing the Sailor Moon one?
	All over the place.
	Is this kind of cringe at this point?
	You should put on the Sailor Moon.
	Yeah, and do the bow.
	And do the bow.
	I'm too fat right now.
	Wait, Nick, what are you doing?
	Where are you going?
	Nick, are you coming back?
	Just bring down all three.
	There should be three.
	Just bring down all three.
	She can pick.
	If she wants to.
	If anyone else wants to wear one, okay.
	I'm an adult.
	I don't want to wear it.
	You disagree wholeheartedly that women ought to be subject to military conscription.
	Well, we already talked about that.
	I think women should be drafted, to be honest.
	I'm the biggest feminist here.
	The reason I'm thinking we should conscript women.
	In fact, we shouldn't conscript men at all.
	It's kind of like a, you know, for all the years that men were conscripted.
	I think, you know, and here's what we do: we conscript women, we soften up the enemy, you know, and then we send the men in to finish it off.
	I think that's the best.
	Sounds a little gay.
	So we're like.
	Hey, please don't be mean to those people.
	All the women are dying first.
	I'm not opposed to like helping my country because if there was some sort of like issue here in the States, I would 100% like, you know, I have guns, I would help.
	But I kind of disagree with the idea of taking women when I already feel like children are being targeted to become like property of the state through the school system and through other means.
	And so I would just think that mothers would be needed in order to maintain, you know, protection.
	But I would also, I don't necessarily, I don't want men to be conscripted either.
	Well, I mean, conscription typically isn't, you know, I don't know the exact percentages for like World War I, World War II, Vietnam.
	I believe the United States, just off the top of my head, for example, for Vietnam, I think the U.S. casualties in Vietnam was 70 or 80,000.
	Let me just check that out really quick.
	Vietnam, USA, casualties.
	I think it was 70, 80,000.
	I could be.
	Hold on.
	God damn, show me the.
	Oh my God, this is the first time.
	Wait, when you said that the women would soften the enemy, soften them in what way?
	Not by pussy.
	I was about to say soften them how?
	They would just completely obliterate them and just how many casualties for U.S. I can't fucking, I don't know why I can't find it.
	There's no softening.
	Okay, I was a bit off.
	But I don't think if we lost, for example, like 70,000 women, Jesus Christ, that's going to get eclipsed.
	If we like lost 70,000 women instead of men in the Vietnam War, I don't think demographically that would have had a massive impact in the U.S., for example.
	I mean, like, so your argument of, well, we need women to repopulate in some like catastrophic no, but that your argument about, well, women need to birth the future children and soldiers, that argument really only applies where there's like just catastrophic.
	Well, and that was there was catastrophic lives lost.
	I mean, we're talking about hundreds of millions of lives were lost in World War II.
	So if, and that's really sad.
	That's really sad that so many young men lost their lives.
	They're literally just being thrown into just instant death in these trenches.
	So yeah, I think that if you had those numbers of women being lost, you absolutely would probably be affecting the population.
	Why would a man be willing to sacrifice women in society, like the vulnerable sectors of society, as men?
	Why would that even be a thought?
	Let's sacrifice the women and the children subsequently, actually.
	If the men's role and job is supposed to be to protect and be protectors, why would they want the women to do it for them?
	Yeah.
	How would you sleep at night?
	I sacrificed 80,000 women so that men can stay in the country and not even defend the country properly, might I add?
	Like, it would suck.
	They'd be like, the Titanic was sinking and the men today are like, move over, ladies.
	We're going on the boat.
	Right?
	Women and children.
	Yeah, that's how it should.
	I don't believe in women and children first.
	Okay, well, then that is not a conservative belief set.
	So you're not, that doesn't align with a conservative belief set.
	No.
	No, you haven't.
	Why not?
	Above traditional conservative beliefs, I actually put forward men's rights advocacy positions over any conservative or traditional positions.
	So, but you said, but you guys are talking about men being like leaders.
	For example, I'll give you an example.
	That's going to trigger you guys.
	I'll give you an example that's going to trigger you guys.
	So I believe in any state where abortion is legal, I think men should have a corresponding right to legal paternal surrender, whereby, if in any state a woman has the ability to murder their child, men should have a corresponding right to relinquish any financial or parental responsibility.
	So you think that men should base their integrity and their actions on the reaction, the emotional reactions of women.
	Well, the and not their own integrity as a man from their own principles, ideologies, values.
	that's a different conversation the reality is conversation you're saying that as a man you want to react to women as opposed to standing your ground as a man and doing what you think is necessary as a man Why?
	Why are you reacting to that?
	Why wouldn't a man step up and say, I will take care of my responsibility and daughter?
	It occurs.
	Well, I'm not really inclined right at this moment.
	This is making an implication of choice.
	They do.
	They should have the right to choose, right?
	Yes, but that's Brian's point.
	Brian's point is, if you're in a state where you have no choice, she has the choice.
	Why are you having sex with a woman who agrees with abortion?
	That's your fault.
	Well, what if you have sex with a woman who didn't agree with an abortion?
	You didn't take accountability for responsibilities and you put her in a position.
	Let's assume for a second you're married to her.
	I don't want to agree with abortion.
	Would you ever consider a woman that wants that believes in abortion for marriage?
	Well, they're talking about not having a moment.
	Really quick, would you, both of you who agree with that?
	So let us assume for a second you married a woman.
	So, what about you?
	That's not the exception.
	I'm not interested in actually having another abortion conversation.
	I'm just saying that's a position.
	The rule is right now that women can terminate the pregnancy and men can't do any of that.
	That's exactly what I'm doing with women and impregnating women who agree with abortion.
	If you're sleeping with women who don't agree with abortion, you wouldn't even come up with this.
	I'm getting that.
	You want to be in this situation because that is the exception of how the man in this scenario that's like, I want to have a family with you.
	She's like, Oh, I'm going to kill you.
	He wants to.
	Yeah, there are women who can do that.
	He wants to abort it in this situation.
	There are women who do that.
	Oh, that's not even what I do.
	That's not even what I said.
	So, why would a man want to kill his own child if he's not saying the right word?
	No, no.
	What he's saying is he wants to abandon his child, which is calculating its destruction.
	That's not even what I said.
	No, you said they shouldn't have told me that they wouldn't have the right to, but why would a man even want the right to abandon their own child?
	That is literally calculating its destruction.
	Okay, did you not hear the first part of that?
	You said if a woman can abort her kid, she should also be able to destroy your child by proxy.
	That doesn't make sense.
	You shouldn't.
	It's about taking accountability as an individual.
	So, are you pro-abortionists?
	Right, but you're as an individual because a woman decides not to.
	That doesn't make sense.
	No, it absolutely makes sense.
	Okay, what is wrong with reactionary?
	Because men don't react to women.
	What?
	They shouldn't.
	He cannot be a leader and react to women and oughts for issues.
	No, but that's what it should be.
	Yeah, I know.
	It's an ought claim, but it's not in my claim.
	If you say should, it's ought.
	No, because my father does not do that, and I've witnessed in my life.
	I get that your father doesn't do that, but your father also would have no choice.
	Do you want to mention your father one more time?
	What's your problem?
	I don't know.
	It just seems like oh, because I have a good father?
	Is that a problem?
	No, okay.
	I didn't say that.
	Okay, so you frequently bring it up, which I don't really agree with.
	Because she's using that as the example.
	And that's good.
	You're using it as the example.
	So you want women to submit to men, but when I bring up my father in submission, deferring to the knowledge that he gave to me, it's a problem.
	You can't pick, you can't use it.
	We're having a meta-conversation.
	But he's not.
	I can address the actual original.
	The fact is that if you're submitting to the menu, if you're in a situation that defers from a man is a bad person.
	Then we'll argue the third-party position.
	You're arguing on your father's behalf.
	No, it's not.
	You're arguing based on the knowledge that you have acquired from your father, from the headship in your home.
	It would be the same if you had a husband.
	So you're arguing your knowledge.
	So you can't tell me that, oh, as a woman, you shouldn't be able to defer to the knowledge of the man that you have to do.
	So you're arguing your knowledge right now, right?
	Remove yourself from the protection of the father or the man that you have in your life.
	That doesn't make any sense.
	So you're arguing your knowledge right now, not your father's knowledge.
	Knowledge is not a good idea.
	The ideology that he raised me with based on the Bible.
	But it is your knowledge.
	He gave it to me.
	Yes, great.
	So he is arguing with your knowledge.
	So anyway, back to this.
	All he's doing is pointing out a standard.
	He's saying that there's a double standard where if the standard is going to be that women have the right to do this thing, then there should be an alternative standard where, fine, if that's the case, that they can do this.
	Why couldn't men then be able to relinquish their rights?
	You don't agree with abortion and we don't agree with women abandoning their kids.
	If I could just interject here.
	So the women who would abort your child would abort it, right?
	And you wouldn't have to financially pay for that child.
	So what you're actually saying is the woman that wouldn't abort your child should be abandoned financially and the child should have no father in its life.
	No, that's not the argument.
	That is the argument you're saying.
	That's not the argument.
	Okay, do the math then.
	Okay, so let's do the math.
	Okay, do the math.
	So here's the argument.
	The argument is actually if a woman has a right to terminate the pregnancy against the will of a man, you and I agree that this is incorrect, right?
	Correct.
	So he's saying that if that is the standard, then he would argue, so that we don't have a double standard, that then men should be able to terminate their rights to the child if they so choose to do so.
	So there's no double standard.
	So a man's actions is dictated on the sins and the foolishness of women.
	Again, I can get away with doing stupidity because I'm agreeing with the position.
	I'm just explaining the position.
	Yes, I understand you're explaining it, but I'm saying that it is absolutely nonsense because why as a man are you dictating your morals, your integrity, your values and principles on the stupidity of women who you say, by the way, who men constantly say that women are not meant to lead and they can't be in these positions of power.
	I didn't say that.
	Well, it's been brought up here, okay?
	So the fact is, why, and women are more emotional.
	Why are you dictating your logic on the emotions and the foolishness of women when they decide to kill their children?
	Okay, well, a woman kills her kids, so now men can abandon their children and equally cause destruction.
	Got it.
	So let us assume for a moment that you live inside of a society where you can't get abortion banned.
	Let's just say it couldn't get banned.
	You couldn't ban it.
	You're from Canada.
	In this area.
	You couldn't get enough.
	I'm pretty sure abortion rights in Canada are fairly robust as compared to the United States.
	I mean, I don't abort children, so I can't.
	Yeah, got it.
	Oh, my God.
	But assuming for a second, you could not get the electorate to vote to terminate or to stop women from being able to terminate the pregnancy.
	You couldn't get enough people to do that.
	So then don't sleep with women.
	You can finish the question.
	Oh, my God.
	But you could.
	But you could sway the.
	Literally, don't sleep with women who agree with that ideology and you won't deal with the problem to begin with.
	Okay, so anyway.
	It's not engaging with the girls.
	And I'll give you the counter argument, but you have to stop talking.
	Fair.
	I'm sorry.
	So here's the counter argument to this.
	If you were able to sway the electorate, though, in that position to allow for men to terminate their rights so that the women themselves then had to deal with the responsibility of it, you'd likely see abortion drop the fuck off.
	That's the point.
	Okay, now what if you dealt with it legislatively with nothing to do with abortion?
	It does have something to do with it.
	Nobody's talking about a grander chess, right?
	No, if every single, and you're right, you're playing chess.
	So at the end of the day, none of us are winning this argument.
	But what I'm saying is, at the end of the day, if all the men in society decided we're going to stop dating feminist women and they were left to their own devices, they would stop the mentality because there would be no market for them.
	There'd be no one to sleep with them.
	The same standard would be applied the opposite direction.
	If all women began to gatekeep sex again, just like they did in the 30s and 40s, when they embraced Christianity, when they embraced Christian values in the 30s and 40s, they embraced Christian values.
	They did not open the legs up for every man who was around.
	I'm not buying the argument that women are not responsible for who they sleep with.
	Only men.
	I never said that.
	It's the entailment of your argument.
	No, I said traditional dating, you would go to the father, and there would not be sex before marriage because what are you going to say to the father?
	Like, oh, I'm going to date your daughter and I have good intentions, but she has to sleep with me.
	You can't convince any father of that.
	I'm sorry.
	You can't.
	So if you go back to Tradridge, what does that have to do with anything?
	Because if you go back to traditional dating, it would solve a lot of these problems.
	The pregnancy before marriage and everything.
	No, if you actually really wanted to solve the problem, you actually have to go to the root of the problem.
	The root of the problem is premarital sex.
	That's the root of the problem.
	Oh, wait, actually, you did want to talk about that.
	So, okay, we'll talk about that really quick.
	We'll move on from the previous conversation.
	Moving over to the patriarchal structure that you're talking about here.
	Millie, you are, my understanding, you are against premarital sex.
	Is that correct?
	Yeah.
	Actually, let me open this up to the panel really quick.
	For or against premarital sex going around the table?
	Go for it.
	I'm not against it.
	Everyone has free will, but as a Christian, it's a no.
	I wouldn't teach it to my daughter, but I don't know other people how to live their lives.
	Well, what about for your own life currently?
	Well, honestly.
	Is there carnal knowledge?
	What do you mean?
	Sorry.
	Carnal knowledge.
	Fornication.
	Like I'm sexual intercourse.
	Like me right now, like actively.
	Are you celibate or you know, I was kind of planning on a celibacy?
	You should.
	You were planning on celibacy?
	Well, I slept with one person after I broke up with my ex recently.
	Wait, so hold on.
	So three months ago, you broke up with your ex and you've had sex with a subsequent person within the past three months.
	So like last week?
	About a month.
	Two months ago?
	A month and a half.
	Well, the whole planning for celestial.
	It didn't work out, but you tried your best.
	No, no.
	Premarital sex for or against?
	For my, I advise it for everyone.
	Granted, we do have free will, but I'm very against it.
	And actually, so my husband and I, when we were dating, we weren't abiding by that.
	And we both came to the conclusion of like, okay, because we were still like early on in our Christianity, early enough to where we weren't getting convicted as hard about it.
	But then we started to, you know, face a lot of conviction about it, especially me.
	And it's literally the best thing that you'll do, especially because if you're not sure where, what your partner's intentions are, that is the quickest way to sort through people.
	So advise it.
	You're against, what about you?
	Wait, you're against it?
	I'm against premarital sex.
	I'm against premarital sex.
	I complain about everybody's choice.
	Everybody has a right to have a choice.
	It's not a bad choice.
	Your answer, your answer.
	I mean, I'm definitely going to try to.
	Sorry, I'm not laughing at you.
	It's so ridiculous.
	Go ahead, go ahead, go ahead.
	For my children or for my daughter, I would definitely want to push for that and try to instill that with her because I grew up in like the 90s and I noticed how much sexualization went on.
	And so I definitely want to push that.
	For or against?
	Do what you want.
	Do what you want.
	Okay.
	And bringing it back to you, Millie, not only are you against it for religious or moral or ethical reasons, you also want to criminalize it.
	Is that correct?
	But the choice sauce.
	I'm against.
	Dude, listen, I'm exploring the idea of if they were to criminalize premarital sex, what the pros and the cons would be.
	Sorry.
	What the pros and the cons would be to society.
	Okay.
	Because here's my argument here from what I understand.
	Essentially, when a man is, I guess you could say, when a man is going out and having sex with a woman, right?
	Let's say he takes a woman's virginity, right?
	In a way, when he's taking her virginity, is he essentially devaluing her?
	Is he injuring her, causing damage to her?
	So not only are you saying like criminal, but also there should be civil assault.
	No, I'm not saying sexual assault.
	I'm not saying that.
	No, no, no, but you're saying, no, no, no, like criminalize the act of it for both parties, perhaps.
	There's also, are you saying there should be like a civil tort?
	Is a woman?
	Here's my question to you.
	Say you have two women who look like identical twins, both beautiful tens, gorgeous, right?
	Your understanding of a 10, right?
	My understanding.
	There's no such thing.
	Yeah, it doesn't exist.
	Right.
	If one of them was a virgin and one of them had been with multiple partners, she was a strumpet.
	Who would be perceived?
	Sir.
	Sorry, who would be perceived as more valuable and who'd be perceived as damaged?
	The virgin would be considered more valuable.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Okay, so when a man has sex with a woman, he devalues her.
	But she's having sex with him.
	Okay, okay, but hear me out here.
	She's devaluing herself.
	Sure.
	Okay, so hear me out.
	So when a man is having sex with that woman, right?
	Yeah.
	It's this is the analogy I would give it to.
	Imagine there's a bakery, okay?
	And in this bakery, there's a case full of these pristine, beautiful, gorgeous cakes, each unique in their own way.
	Right, no, it's not.
	It's a cake.
	It's a croissant shop.
	No, it's a cake bakery.
	And so like a French bakery.
	Can be a French bakery.
	Okay, a French bakery.
	Okay.
	I want croissants.
	Okay.
	No croissants.
	Cakes.
	Just cakes.
	Pin aux raisins.
	Okay.
	Just cakes.
	Pin aux raisins.
	Okay, so we have this.
	Okay, come on now.
	Okay, go ahead.
	Go ahead.
	We have this, okay, at the bakery, there's a case full of beautiful cakes, pristine, gorgeous in their own way, right?
	And then you have a line of men who want to buy a cake, right?
	Now, the guy at the front of the line decides.
	Okay, stop interrupting.
	It's kind of rude.
	The guy at the front of the line decides he's going to go and stick his finger in each cake because he wants to try it before he wants to buy it.
	Okay.
	Yep.
	So is he being disrespectful more so to the men behind him that want to buy the cake?
	Or is he, you know, essentially being more disrespectful to the cake itself?
	I just one point of clarification.
	He's sticking his finger or his penis in the cake.
	Well, you could say whatever.
	But essentially, he wants to taste it before he buys it, right?
	They covered this.
	And then he decides, oh, I'm going to.
	Great film, by the way.
	American Player.
	Let me finish my analogy.
	Okay, okay.
	We're actually going to have a discussion here, right?
	Or is this a clown show?
	Okay, so the cakes essentially are, you know, he decides he's going to buy the cake that he wants for himself.
	But now the next man behind him comes and every single cake he sees has a fingerprint in it.
	And then he decides to take a finger.
	And then by the time the guy at the end of the line here gets to it, you have all these cakes that have been just battered.
	Right.
	It's not in its original condition.
	It's not the original.
	And so what's happening here is I don't understand why men in society aren't mad at the guys who are going and sticking their fingers in all the cakes.
	Pissed off.
	I know.
	Why shouldn't they all women just virgin?
	What about me?
	What about all those fucking cakes opening their legs, though?
	Put your finger in here.
	They have a run.
	Yeah, no, I hear it.
	They're going right towards an insert.
	No, I hear it, but I don't see any accountability on the men's part.
	And I don't see any ire towards it.
	It sounds like you're only giving accountability to the menu.
	No, I say, obviously, I said I'm against premarital sex, and I don't think women.
	Right, then they're the gay cakes.
	Then they're on their back, then their bottoms, then their bottoms.
	But men usually make the first move on most occasions.
	Okay, now here's the thing: okay, and usually the most actually a lot of times they'll say, you know, women have sex to have relationships, men have relationships to have sex, okay?
	So this is what I'm getting at.
	Yeah.
	You have to realize that men should also hold other men accountable for going up there and tarnishing all of the cakes because what's happening is you're actually disrespecting by having, if you're dating a woman and you're sleeping with her and you have no intention of marrying her, you are actually tarnishing her for her future husband.
	And you're disrespecting her future husband.
	So you have to realize this whole analogy.
	She would be, but where's the accountability on the part of the men as well in respecting other men?
	Go ahead, Renee.
	Should men respect other men?
	I don't disagree with your general idea.
	Definitely.
	Say it, Renee.
	Say it.
	I don't know.
	Men shouldn't be sticking their fingers in the cakes crazy like that.
	They should want to wipe them up.
	Wait, what?
	But, however, this is a fallacious analogy because you can't tell from the cake.
	Like, you wouldn't be able to look at my cake.
	You wouldn't know the damn thing.
	You can't look at me and tell me how many bodies I am.
	And that wouldn't be a fallacious analogy.
	No, you wouldn't.
	It's called a usual analogy.
	You would never know.
	No, I would never know.
	It's called emotional winner.
	But they would never know.
	Listen, the man wouldn't know.
	No, and even if the man lies, he might not know the precise analysis.
	Do you know what a continuum fallacy is?
	Actually, what you just did is called a continuum fallacy.
	That's where one thing is not another, but you can't tell when the dealer is.
	If a woman posts a bunch of pictures on the internet for men to see what her bakery has to offer on those principles.
	What if I leave a good review?
	Wait, wait, wait.
	You'd have to put the finger in the bottom where no one can see it.
	Wait, Millie, can you answer this one?
	Okay, he didn't really.
	Wait.
	What did he say?
	Who's held responsible for the moment?
	Did you catch that?
	Okay, okay, wait.
	You get the point.
	You want to hide?
	When you walk by a woman, you cannot see how many men she's in.
	That's irrelevant.
	But that's not true.
	No, it is true.
	This is an analogy.
	No, men can tell.
	Renee, listen, there's something called, check this shit out, the thousand cock stare.
	Okay?
	And sometimes you can look a girl in the eyes and you know, we're looking at you, Renee.
	There's like a thousand cock stare look.
	Some women have it.
	Do I have it?
	A little bit, not gonna lie.
	Just kidding.
	It's like a 200 stare.
	No, I'm joking.
	I'm joking.
	So, in the analogy, why do men get to remain like men and then the women?
	They do become the inanimate object.
	No, well, here's what I, the reason why I give this analogy for the men in general right here is because I want them to be able to think about: should men be disrespecting other men?
	It's not as much about the women.
	The real point here is when the man is doing that to the men behind, they're disrespecting the men.
	Do you understand?
	It's actually an analogy.
	Okay, I'll give you my.
	I'll give you a moment.
	Should men be disrespecting other men?
	Well, I don't think it's really men disrespecting other men.
	One, I think women are the gatekeepers of sex, as Andrew says.
	Women are the gatekeepers.
	Also, from my point of view, I don't advocate for male promiscuity.
	I'm against male promiscuity.
	Now, I don't know if I take it as far.
	I certainly don't take it as far as you do.
	I don't object to premarital sex, but I also object to hookup culture.
	I object to, here's my perspective.
	If I want to sleep with a girl, I want there to be continuity.
	I want to continue seeing her.
	I want to pursue a long-term relationship with her.
	That doesn't always necessarily lead to marriage, for example, in my case.
	So I'm probably not as far along as you'd like me, but I'm not as far back as there's these guys who just want to fuck a girl once and never talk to her again.
	I'm against that.
	Me personally, if I want to sleep with a girl, I want to continue seeing her.
	I want to pursue long-term relationships.
	You're too ready for marriage right now in your life.
	Well, here's the other thing: I don't want to get married.
	Okay, so then aren't you just going around damaging women then?
	Yeah, wait, so hold on.
	You're just going around making more permissions.
	You're making more.
	We can still have a long-term relationship.
	I could have.
	No, but you're contributing to body.
	You're contributing to boredom and destruction.
	Yeah.
	You're the cake stickers.
	Yeah, you're the finger dipper, and they're like, oh, this is such a 304.
	You shouldn't have let me dip my finger.
	And it's like, but you promised a long life with me and sold a dream.
	Then you don't have room to judge.
	You don't have room to judge the women in the relationship.
	No, you don't have room to judge the cakes that have had their fingers stick.
	You're doing the sticking.
	Actually, no one wants to find a new lake and the danger.
	One fucking thing at a time.
	I can only respond to one person.
	Traditionally, men, when they slept with women, they were removing, they were defiling their status.
	Yeah, fathers would hunt men down and beat the living daylights out of them or shoot them sometimes.
	Yeah.
	Historically, any man left with their daughter and they lost status or something because they challenged her.
	That's not the point.
	No, it is the point.
	No, what they would have to do is they would have to pay restitution.
	Maybe.
	But still, the fact is you are causing damage and it's a disrespect to a family.
	So causing damage to the male.
	And male virginity being intact was also something which was considered to be insider society something that which needed to be held intact.
	It damages everyone.
	That's the point.
	It's a disrespect to everyone, including yourself.
	And if you're going to go around continually just sleeping with people without marriage and then saying, oh, well, women have to stop being 304s, you're contributing to the problem.
	You're literally quite literally.
	Did you not hear anything I just said?
	But you said you wanted long-term, but not marriage.
	And if it doesn't work out, then...
	Yeah, but do you acknowledge there's a difference between these guys who will fuck multiple new women a week and never talk to them again versus a guy who's actually genuinely interested in pursuing...
	It's the same thing, but you're wasting with someone before.
	You're wasting your time intent to marry.
	If you're being up front, if you're being upfront with this, I'm literally saying I'm saying it on a podcast I never said you're being disrespectful.
	The only the overarching point you're making is fine, I agree, like I literally agree with you.
	I've agreed with most of what you said when it comes to this, but but here's the thing I don't really, in this sense, I don't understand why you're negating the responsibility of women whose sexual virtue is really important for biblically.
	I didn't negate her responsibility.
	I didn't say that she was inept mentally and she can't.
	I'm actually speaking more like from man to man, brother to brother.
	Yeah, I'm trying to.
	Men disrespecting other men yeah, I know, but I'm talking specifically everything okay, Nick?
	Yeah oh okay, I thought I heard some of the things.
	Are you thinking it's a more compelling argument?
	Because men respect other men, so if they think they're causing harm to other men, then it might make a difference.
	Well, they are causing harm to other men.
	They are because Okay, hold on.
	You wouldn't want someone doing that to your daughter or your sister or your mother.
	No, but someone coming, a man coming along saying, I want to have a long-term relationship with you.
	I'm not going to marry you, but I do expect you to sleep with me and do all the roles of a wife.
	So, what type of woman am I not?
	A father would not want that for a second.
	That's removing autonomy.
	That's the only problem with the argument.
	You can do my laundry.
	So, why would you expect that full commitment from a woman without giving that full commitment with her?
	Why is she giving it a choice at the end of the day?
	That's the argument back.
	Why is she giving it?
	Well, if she doesn't want that, why is she giving it?
	Because it's not the argument of who's giving it or who's receiving it.
	The argument is: why are you doing it?
	Why do you want to participate in that when you're complaining about that being a part of the problem?
	Why are you participating in the problem?
	Why is she complaining about the problem?
	See, I think the problem is that you can't have your shake me into.
	I'm not conceding.
	I'm not saying that it's not wrong.
	I'm saying it's wrong on both ends, but he's saying that it's okay.
	Why is it okay to contribute to all of this and say it's a problem, but they continue to contribute to the problem?
	If you're going to have sex with women before marriage, so if chastity is important to a woman, great.
	It's important to men.
	Again, he should react and make his morality.
	Let me make the argument before you cut me off in five seconds.
	Relax.
	I'm just relaxed.
	So here's the argument.
	So here's the argument back, right?
	You're right that men and women should keep their chastity intact 100%.
	They both have a responsibility to do that.
	Women, even more so than men, because of how valuable it is.
	And they are the gatekeepers of sex.
	We know this because, based on ancestry, we can see that men have twice as many female ancestors as they do male ancestors.
	Okay?
	You're a man in the relationship as well.
	So hang on, let me finish.
	Almost done.
	So, because of this, we know that women gatekeep sex.
	That's as it should be.
	And yes, it is absolutely biblical.
	And yes, there's nothing wrong with that.
	And men also are supposed to maintain their chastity.
	My only contention with your entire argument here is that if a fucking D-Gen, Brian, and another D, no, I'm kidding.
	I'm joking, relax, calm down.
	But anyway, and a D-Gen woman, right?
	They're both hooking up together.
	I don't see where you can delineate and say that that's purely the responsibility of the man.
	It clearly isn't.
	And the same thing, but that's her argument, right?
	Okay, it's not my argument.
	I didn't say it was only the responsibility of a man.
	Don't put that in my mouth.
	That word isn't a good idea.
	Well, but who's leaving the finger on the cake?
	This implies that the cake itself was perfect until this finger hit it.
	Well, you said it was a fairy.
	But the cake has no autonomy, right?
	You can't choose to stick your finger on it.
	I don't know what I said.
	Hold on.
	Hold on.
	This was my analogy.
	So I want to address this because you're actually saying that I said something.
	What I'm saying here is the reason I gave the analogy was to pose the question of if you think it's okay as a man to be disrespecting other men by essentially tampering with causing damage to your devaluation to another man's future wife.
	The answer is no damage.
	The answer is no damage is occurring.
	And the answer to the other side is it's also not okay for her to be doing the same behavior.
	So men don't think that they have to respect other men.
	I do want to add something real quick.
	I literally just said, I agree with you.
	They should respect a man.
	They shouldn't be pulling the ladder up behind him, right?
	What I'm saying to you, though, is it's as much, in this case, the, I guess, inanimate object of cake, which is like a Dunderhead woman, also would have the same responsibility and is also cheapening sex and cheapening chastity, which is way more valuable to women than it even is to men for all other women.
	They're kind of fucking the whole sisterhood.
	You know what I mean?
	The whole system which could keep the chastity together.
	So that's my problem with that.
	I hold literally their integrity because women allow them to be able to do that.
	I did have a question for you.
	Are you a version?
	It does make sense.
	I told you that I was married.
	So it was like not.
	To address what you're saying, because I agree with you on that.
	Keisha, were you marrying me?
	Stop it right now.
	Traditional men approach fathers first in courtship.
	Is he watching the show right now?
	Stop it.
	What's his name?
	That's crazy.
	Yo, check this out.
	I'm going to make up a name for your dad.
	No, his name is Dale Richardson.
	Don't disrespect him.
	No, I'll start.
	Don't call him like some random name.
	I was trying to respect him by not, you know.
	No, that's a saying his name just, you know, I don't know.
	No, but he's, I mean, he's all over my Dale Richardson.
	DR. Can I call him DR?
	Yo, what's up, DR?
	I wish to make a video.
	Good job, Dale.
	She's got good values.
	I wish to make a proposal.
	Okay, sorry, this is cringe as fuck.
	My bad.
	I do want to add something real quick, so about the cakes and everything.
	So, oh my God.
	She convinced me.
	Keisha convinced me.
	This is a really degenerate bakery we're in right now.
	It really is.
	Well, let's say the chef of the bakery is like the dad, and the chef should be also watching over and saying, What if the dad gets away from my daughter?
	So I did get a boy, and I was never going to be able to do that.
	That's not even one snap.
	Okay, I am going to add a lot of stuff.
	Sometimes, like, please, I mean, the chef tastes.
	Sometimes the chef will sample.
	I'm just saying, sometimes the chef wants to make sure the food came out right.
	He sometimes samples.
	Oh, that's disgusting.
	That's absolutely disgusting.
	That's not even funny.
	I want to hear what she had to say.
	I thought that was a bit.
	Okay.
	I mean, the P word?
	No, that's not.
	Incest.
	Yeah, no.
	No, that's not funny.
	Okay, thank you.
	My bad.
	Okay.
	My bad.
	So, my husband and I one time, we were talking about this really cool study, and I'm joking, West Virginia.
	I'll go.
	I don't know the exact source of it off the top of my head, but it was talking about how the more people that someone sleeps with, particularly in this in the V. Particular, yes, particularly in this situation, women, the less emotional capacity she has to get attached and everything.
	And so, I think, like you were saying, with the cakes and whatnot, eventually, if enough men dip their finger in the cake, there might not be any cake left.
	And it's not that necessarily there's like no value, she's horrible, whatever it is, because men are not.
	It's just it's a like a mental and emotional depletion over time and that takes away from the quality of relationship with a man or you know, whoever.
	So it is.
	The cake just stops tasting good when too many fingers get in it.
	There's nothing left.
	The cake can make you feel like getting colized.
	I just disagree with that.
	I mean, please tell me.
	Like, it's super goneric from the camera.
	No, you're right.
	I would love to know your guys' thoughts on that.
	No one is saying that what, like, I agree with you, Faith.
	I don't think anyone's disagreeing with me.
	I drink it up.
	I'm sorry.
	I never play that.
	I had to play it because food.
	Okay.
	Wait, hold on.
	I do want to move things along because we're getting stuck here for too long.
	Really quick.
	Okay, so your position is.
	This is the real cake game.
	So you said you wanted to criminalize it, correct?
	Premarital sales.
	I said, yeah, I think that there are, if you weigh the pros and the cons, which I really have a hard time finding a single con, which maybe you guys could see if you think of a con.
	But the pros of what it could do for society would be it would drastically cut down on STDs and especially super STDs.
	Yep.
	decrease unwanted pregnancies.
	It would essentially do away with this hookup date culture where they treat sex like a handshake.
	And by decreasing unwanted pregnancies, you would be able to have a stronger nuclear family unit.
	And by essentially encouraging that more men and women are virgins going into a marriage, statistically they're going to have a better outcome for essentially staying together and not getting divorced, which is going to affect the children in a better way, right?
	Because we know divorce damages children.
	So, I mean, that's just a couple of pros.
	Sounds like Sharia the...
	Right?
	Isn't that what you're...
	No, it's actually holding men and women accountable that want to act irresponsibly.
	Would...
	Would both punishing their choices with punishing?
	Would both men and women be held, like both of them held criminally liable?
	Right, both men and women.
	Or would it fall back to them?
	Both men and women.
	It's not only men.
	It would be both men and women.
	Is it a fine?
	I'm actually cheaper than taking a woman on a date.
	I am a guest.
	No, I'm thinking.
	It would just be like, I'll just pay the 300 bucks.
	Fuck it.
	Dang.
	Well, a fine and maybe a misdemeanor and a felony.
	No, I didn't say felony.
	Penalty.
	What about repeat?
	You could go to jail for a misdemeanor.
	Repeat.
	Right.
	Repeat offender, maybe.
	Yeah.
	If a guy's like going around and he's got seven baby mamas all on child support, don't you think the guy should probably be going to jail for some of that?
	I mean, he's causing a damage.
	Well, hold on.
	He's causing injury to the public because now the American taxpayers are having to pay.
	She caused all the damage, too, though.
	No, not necessarily.
	If this guy's going around and pregnant.
	Deportation?
	Should we deport people?
	We're going to have more welfare queens, you know.
	Should we deport people for premarital sex?
	Deport people.
	No, I'm not saying anyone should be deported.
	Couldn't that just be achieved through like stigma or returning to stigma rather than criminalizing?
	Way better, way better shadow.
	Sign me up.
	Get me a criminal.
	I don't know how it used to be.
	We're good.
	What do you mean?
	Well, it's a good idea.
	I mean, there used to be a motivation.
	It was not a crime in the 40s to have sex.
	It was just highly stigmatized and that kept society together through shame, which works well.
	All right.
	That was an interesting thing.
	Well, here's my thing.
	Can you think of any cons?
	Can these women call these three?
	No, no, that's not criminalizing children.
	No, it's not.
	It's actually preventing one from pregnancy over the years.
	And it's encouraging children to be born in wedlock.
	All right, we're not going to.
	Here, this was.
	No, actually, I really want to know what are the cons.
	Can you actually constitutional?
	Does it say in the Constitution?
	We have a right to have sex.
	Freedom of religion.
	We have a right to.
	You are saying that, but freedom of free will.
	No, do we have a right to relate?
	That's a God-given right.
	A lot of our laws.
	Do you have a right to drink and drive?
	No, because you have the potential of injuring the public.
	Listen, listen, you do not have a right to drink and drive, okay?
	Yes, that is impeding your free will, whatever you want to try to say.
	But you are potentially going to injure the public.
	Therefore, they have made it illegal to drink and drive.
	If you are engaging in a reckless sexual lifestyle, you have a high potentiality of injury.
	I'm fine.
	I'm looking forward to it.
	I'm causing unwanted pregnancy.
	It doesn't work, but all kinds of things.
	I'm fine with it.
	Look, as just a quip that's kind of humorous to talk about, I think, yes.
	But like, realistically speaking, do you think that this will ever occur?
	No.
	So, like, listen.
	Well, how do you know?
	It's never going to happen.
	Well, do you think that it will ever occur?
	Not with women voting, it won't happen.
	Do you think it will ever occur that women won't be able to vote?
	Yes.
	No, it won't.
	Because the women would have to vote to all the rest of the day.
	And that's not going to happen.
	I don't think that we would have to do that.
	All you would need is a Supreme Court.
	I think it's actually more likely.
	You would only need a Supreme Court.
	There's women on the Supreme Court nowadays.
	Yeah, there was women on the Supreme Court who outlawed abortion, too.
	Let me read some chats, boys.
	Boys, let me read some chats.
	Brian, it's way easier to convince nine people than it is to convince 70 million.
	Brian, which is why I democracy.
	That's why democracy when you have carnal knowledge.
	I like how nobody can do it.
	Stop, Brian, when you have carnal knowledge with ease, you become one flesh.
	Even without marriage, you are impacting your temple and creating soul ties.
	Cool, man.
	Thanks.
	Thank you, bro.
	Cool story, bro.
	Thank you, Rose.
	Appreciate it.
	Yeah, sorry.
	I'm going to 403, guys.
	I'm going to continue.
	I'm going to continue.
	I'm not trying to run through a bunch of chicks, but yeah, I'm probably not going to stop premarital sex.
	Sorry.
	Stop the degeneracy.
	I'm a DGE.
	I'm a DJ.
	But you would get married if the state got a reform got out of it, right?
	You would get married if the state got out of the equation, right?
	I'd get married under the current terms if she was rich.
	Would you get married?
	Sign me up.
	Would you get married if the state outlawed premarital sex?
	If the state made it illegal to have premarital sex, would you get married?
	Can I have multiple wives?
	No, I'm just kidding.
	Would that change it for you?
	Yes, I would be more inclined to get married.
	I would be more inclined to get married if I could not have, if it was illegal to have premarital sex.
	You do realize, though, like drugs are illegal and people still do drugs, though, right?
	No, I do realize that, but at the same time, it would probably drastically cut down on the hookup culture that we're seeing today where you have women with really high value accounts.
	This would be such a thing.
	The enforcement question is.
	This would be such an infringement on the police state necessarily.
	Well, you would know it by if there's an unintended pregnancy out of weapons.
	What if there wasn't, though?
	But wouldn't you have to get rid of contraception for this plan to work?
	Not necessarily.
	Shit, I pull up.
	If somebody works, if somebody knows about it, somebody could if you could not be able to tell.
	There'd be no way for you to do anything about it.
	If both parties were consenting, yeah.
	And if at no point in time did either party, you know, go astray and decide what they're doing.
	Well, I mean, couldn't one of the parties also not want to report SAs?
	Because if they did, they would feel like they potentially could be guilty of an alternative crime.
	Wait, what?
	That's a good one.
	Guys, this is great.
	Look, let's move on.
	One of the smartest things you said online.
	Hold on.
	Mr. Travolta.
	Nothing I say.
	Wait, Renee, can you read this one for me?
	Undercover blonde feminist and glasses are complete loons.
	Not actually, guys.
	Sorry.
	Completely taking accountability away from women.
	Now they want to criminalize consensual sex.
	They women choose who to have sex with dummies.
	Right.
	Can I actually.
	So I was.
	I mean, I can respond to it real quick.
	I think I actually take accountability every single time that I say I actually have to listen to my father's advice when he tells me to do what's best for me and I choose to listen.
	It means I'm protecting myself from doing bad mistakes.
	I'm taking accountability for myself and doing what is right for me.
	So I am not.
	He's a fucking legend.
	Yes, he is.
	He is the OG engineer.
	That's what I call it.
	He did good.
	He's a good idea.
	I'm just going to stand there because we're not disputing that point.
	All I'm saying, no, but him, the sir, whoever said that, I'm just saying that when a woman puts herself under the submission of her father, she's taking accountability for herself and her life, understanding that that's what's best for her.
	Like, I'm not saying that women should not do that.
	If more women listen to their fathers, they'd be less problems.
	Wait, I have a question for you.
	If you were married, I assume your father would still have some degree of influence, right?
	I mean, if I'm married, I'm listening to my husband.
	But would you listen to your husband over your father?
	Yes.
	I mean, if my husband told me to do something that was harmful to me, then I can't listen to him biblically.
	What does that mean, harmful?
	If he, if he told me, like, if he told me to, like, shoot Millie, I don't know.
	Like, because, like, if we were married and, like, you know, I should have ultimate authority, and then your dad sounds kind of fucking base.
	I don't know, like, how can I ever live up?
	How can I ever live up if you're the dad and you're your husband?
	I just feel like jail would overpower me.
	If your dad and your husband were in a dispute over your future and they both had your best intentions, you just listen to your husband.
	But the thing is, so all the people, so I'll give an example.
	So, the people I've dated in the past, like genuinely dated, they've gone to my dad and asked, Okay, I'm interested in your daughter.
	However, men talk to each other.
	I don't know.
	I like her, whatever.
	Can I date her?
	Whatever.
	I don't know.
	And then that goes that way.
	I date her, whatever.
	If there's a problem that they feel like they need my dad's opinion on since he knows me better, they have called him and reached out to him, like, hey, I would like to understand how to approach your daughter better in this situation.
	And he will talk to him, and he's had a close relationship with them.
	So I've never been put in the position where I had to listen to one or the other because they've been in unity when it came down to that.
	And they were quick to call my dad if I did something that pissed them off.
	Like, what's wrong with your daughter?
	Like, why is she doing this?
	And my dad's like, hey, I get it.
	She's been doing this to me too.
	Like, this is how you fix it.
	I don't know.
	All right.
	We have AB Check.
	Hey, dude, ABC, thank you, man.
	Appreciate it.
	Make salute shaming great again.
	Okay.
	That is ultimately.
	It's ultimately a better solution to move towards AB Check.
	If you want to see that type of movement, I think you can shame women into being better, though.
	But you can, and I can tell you how.
	The same reason you got them to smoke.
	Not of that.
	Because women are highly susceptible to propaganda far more than the alternative sex.
	The same thing exists.
	I was trying to bring this up earlier.
	But if you look at that same program Jones talks about ONHMK Ultra, you find what they found kind of studying this is it's like 15% on the front end and the back end are open to suggestion, meaning 15% you can't fucking brainwash for shit.
	Okay.
	Bottom 15% of society, totally susceptible to it.
	Women are far more suggestible to propaganda, though, than men are, overwhelmingly.
	And they conform to social norms far more than men do.
	So if you utilize propaganda, even state propaganda works great for this, by the way.
	Women tend to enforce state propaganda more than any, more than any man does.
	And yes, you can move through propaganda for shame.
	And if even just having a switch in Hollywood towards alternative propaganda would do wonders for shame.
	All I say is you should carry that same energy to the men who are being permitted to be aware of it.
	It's really hard to propagandize men.
	It's really easy to propagate.
	I know, not necessarily.
	You don't have to know what's going on behind that.
	I just gave it to you.
	It's called MKUltra.
	I literally just said it.
	You weren't even paying attention to it.
	You're just sitting there going, boom.
	You don't have to use propaganda to carry that same energy.
	You don't have to use propaganda to carry that same energy towards men.
	How men hold other men accountable is through force, correct?
	You want us to go and beat the shit out of them?
	Fine, great.
	That's wonderful.
	But what we could easily do is just move into a shame culture of stigma.
	Stigma works better than anything.
	Why do you think progressives are always trying to fucking remove stigma as part of their social, as part of their social agenda?
	Remove stigma from LGBTQ.
	Remove stigma from, you know, women in the workforce.
	Remove stigma from, it's always a destigmatization campaign because they know how effective stigma is in society.
	That's why they're always moving to remove it.
	Okay, you had a good point, what you were saying about women with the propaganda, and they do because they're emotional, and that's true.
	What I'm saying is, though, when women go into a bad lifestyle that's harmful to them and they're trying to get out of it, for example, OnlyFans or something, say they start learning about Jesus or they learn about a better way of life and they're like, you know what, this is terrible.
	I want to stop.
	A lot of society will shame them so bad, they'll feel like they have no option but to go back into it because people accept them when they're in it and they're like, oh, yes, Queen, do what you want.
	Or that's just her OnlyFans life, or whatever.
	But they try to, like, when they come out of it, they shame them so bad, it's like they can't handle it.
	Sometimes you can shame to a certain point, but you cannot shame an emotional being into positive progression long-term.
	It doesn't work.
	Of course, it doesn't work.
	You need to show them how to show them how to actually solve the problem.
	Yes, you can show them you can replace the ideology after it's broken down, most certainly, and you should.
	But saying that the stigmatization doesn't work long term is insane.
	We use stigmatization, it works long-term all the time for everything from behavior for how you act in class to how you act at home to how you act everywhere to how you act in a restaurant.
	Stigma works everywhere you see it applied.
	Everywhere you see it applied, it works.
	You mean like people are doing things because they're afraid of the stigma as opposed to their actual ideological correct.
	Nobody tells you to get in, you don't get arrested for cutting in the movie theater line.
	You just don't do it because all the social or all the shame of the people looking at you and going, get to the back of the fucking line.
	It's the stigma.
	It's true that they could use shame.
	It is true.
	They could use shame in place of laws for things like drugs.
	That doesn't work when it comes to people needing to be relevant.
	They'll give you an additional penalty on top as part of a deterrent.
	However, if you had a sufficient amount of social stigma against drunk driving, like I don't know, you could probably get a law passed like prohibition, which was largely pushed by women, and it was largely to stigmatize alcohol.
	And yes, of course it worked.
	And it was only pushed back through kind of countering that stigma where it started to fall apart.
	Yes, stigmatization works.
	If you had a social norm that was so entrenched that, you know, people adhere to whatever it is, it could be more powerful than a law.
	Sometimes social norms can be more powerful than a law you put on the book.
	Tradition can be more powerful than a law.
	Yeah, again, traditions can be more powerful than law, too.
	Imagine tomorrow, for instance, there's a law that said you couldn't celebrate Christmas.
	That would be a tall order, right?
	The traditionalism that maybe people are rooted in be more powerful than the law itself.
	Prohibition was a bad example because that one was also criminalized and it failed.
	What?
	Prohibition.
	But my point was it was a stigmatization against alcohol.
	Yeah, but it was also criminalized.
	But when women were pushing back the other direction, then they went ahead and removed the laws.
	And also, there were all sorts of other problems with it.
	But the way that a lot of that stigma happened, the way a lot of the men went with it is because women would hold up signs and shit and say things like, alcohol that have touched our lips, you'll never touch our lips.
	Now, granted, they were ugly women, but still, propaganda works.
	The policy failed.
	The stigmatization does not fail.
	People still drink alcohol.
	If you could shame women out of OnlyFans, like there'd be no 304s.
	Like you can't shame a girl out of her.
	And she has to make that decision on her own.
	A girl can't handle long-term dealing with that kind of emotional attack without having an actual solution to the problem happening.
	Let me ask you to give it to her in real time.
	Like she needs to be able to get out.
	When it comes to the LGBTQ, are progressives trying to destigmatize that?
	Hold on.
	Look, when it comes to certain groups, like that group, progressives want to destigmatize.
	They don't want any stigma towards that group, right?
	You don't have to participate if you don't want.
	Yeah, but they don't want any stigma towards that group, right?
	Yeah.
	Okay, why?
	Tell me why.
	No, you tell me why.
	I asked you.
	I mean, I don't know what your answer is.
	Okay.
	But anyway, the answer is simple.
	They want to destigmatize these things because when they are stigmatized, people push back.
	They literally push back.
	They go, no, we don't want this.
	We don't want that.
	Certain parades, shit like that.
	They will push back as long as stigma is going to be a good thing.
	But resenting something doesn't get any results.
	I'm sorry, got to move on.
	Culturally, where are the fathers from Ben George?
	Thank you, Ben George.
	Not sure if that's an actual question or hypothetical or kids all got aborted.
	And parental alien.
	There's a lot of alienation going on, you know?
	Okay.
	We have Mr. Travolta.
	Shut up about your father.
	You have a father.
	We get it.
	You talk too much for someone that listens to dad.
	I was talking about criminalizing premarital sex.
	Also, my DOI question was for the whole panel.
	I forgot what your DOI question was.
	Something about female privilege or white privilege.
	But she answered that already.
	He wanted the whole panel to answer.
	We could go around really quick, I guess.
	A little bit of both.
	Do you identify as white?
	Yeah, I don't know what the question is.
	No, I'm not white.
	Oh, sorry.
	I never said that.
	What is the question?
	I don't know.
	Yeah, I think actually it is female privilege.
	I think the piggies do be giving you some slack as a woman.
	Okay, quick, please.
	Oh, the question is, is it female privilege?
	Oh, like it's female, I think.
	Or is it both?
	I mean, it could be both.
	And she doesn't identify as white, so I would say that.
	Well, not for her specifically, but I mean, like, if it was anyone else, I mean, it could be both, depending on the circumstances.
	But she, I don't know, for her, maybe just female.
	Whatever.
	I'm not really sure for this one.
	Female?
	Female privilege.
	Female.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Let me get through my show notes here.
	I would like to try to wrap things up relatively soon, so I do need to get through a lot.
	Holy fuck.
	Okay.
	Nalia, you are apolitical, correct.
	Nalia?
	Yeah, Reina?
	Oh, see, sorry.
	It's okay.
	Yeah, you probably should.
	That's all good.
	Okay.
	You said the government is ran by cult leaders and aliens.
	Yes.
	That was just kind of a joke, but.
	Oh.
	So you don't actually think it's run by aliens?
	I think it's like.
	I just think it's like weird.
	I just think it's weird that our food is poisoned, but yeah, that's all.
	The food's poisoned?
	Yeah, the American food system, big food.
	The FDA just lets everything in.
	That's where you get back to vegan.
	I'm not a vegan.
	I love meat.
	I like grass-fed meat, though.
	I don't like grass-finished.
	It's finished.
	It's a real thing.
	You're real.
	Big food and big pharma.
	So all of you, none of you are vegans, right?
	Nope.
	So there's some semblance of seeds.
	Ben George, too scared to ask culturally where the fathers are.
	Why might that be?
	Wait, so what do you want me to ask?
	I'm a little confused.
	Where the fathers are?
	I think maybe he wants to go around and find out.
	Where's our dad?
	Okay, here.
	I'm going to take some liberties here.
	Going around the table, are your parents still together?
	No.
	Into the mic, please.
	No.
	Yes.
	No.
	No.
	Yes.
	No.
	Yes.
	Yes.
	All right, Ben George.
	I'm changing up your chat here.
	I just don't really know what you want me to ask them.
	Going back to you, Reina, is that?
	Sure.
	I don't know.
	I'm just going to call you Gertrude.
	Sure.
	You said you got some hot takes on the adult industry.
	You were in it for two months.
	You got the shit end of the stick and exposed to what it's really like.
	And you said you spoke out against it.
	Can you give us a quick plot synopsis?
	It's kind of hard to put in a nutshell, but I don't know.
	Basically, I don't know.
	My personal perspective on pornography and OnlyFans and stuff like that, I know people often say it's addictive to watch.
	You know, they say they talk about how men struggle with watching it and stuff like that.
	I think on the other side of that, like a lot of these women are addicted to making it.
	Like I really feel like it's like a real genuine addiction, like drugs too.
	You were living in a house.
	Yeah, I went to the okay, so that was like part of the big part I was talking about So yeah, I did go to like this model house one time.
	And so basically my agent was involved with some of the biggest companies in the industry.
	And so I trusted him initially.
	Obviously, don't ever trust anyone in the industry who's a man.
	They'll just lie to your face.
	But yeah, I don't know.
	I just remember he was like, you know, giving me what I wanted as far as money and the jobs I wanted and stuff like that.
	But I don't know.
	They have something weird going on.
	I have no idea.
	Apparently, my agent didn't even have a real license and that he was actually working for some other guy.
	And I don't know, when I got to the model house, I was getting death threats my first time in LA.
	He said that this guy was after me and that he wanted to hurt me or something like that.
	Okay.
	Let's bring it back to, we'll bring it to dating.
	You said you dated a male adult star who was jealous of you.
	What's the story there?
	I don't know.
	Pretty much he did, you know, that for like a lot longer than I did.
	Did he smash dudes?
	No.
	He never did anything gay or anything like with another guy.
	He just had like his own stuff.
	But I think he, yeah, he was just, I don't know.
	Sorry, I like to mumble a lot.
	Here, I can help prompt you.
	So you said that he wanted to impregnate, maybe do split, Nick.
	He wanted to impregnate you and insisted on getting married to you, but you found out he was cheating.
	You said he was a psychopathic narcissist who was twice your age.
	Yes.
	So you were what?
	I was 19 when I started in this.
	So he was like 40 or something?
	He's about 40.
	And I met him two months into filming.
	And pretty much he just told me that, you know, he wanted the best for me.
	He didn't want me to be involved in any of that.
	And I believed him.
	Okay.
	But it sounds like he wanted you to quit the industry.
	And did he quit it with you?
	So we were shooting OnlyFans exclusively together.
	And then, like, I know he, like, cheated on me with someone else and, like, shot a scene with them and then, like...
	He cheated on you and you broke up with him?
	Yes.
	But then you got back.
	And then I got back to you.
	You got back with him.
	But this recent time.
	You're recently single.
	Oh, so this is the guy that you said that you been single for three months.
	Okay, so that's the one, this is the relationship, the two-year relationship that you're talking about, correct?
	My longest relationship.
	Okay.
	You're single again after looking through his phone history of him searching for OF girls.
	Yeah.
	To date, to work with.
	Well, when I met him, I remember I saw him looking for this stuff on YouTube, and he told me that it was from before and that his intention was to work with these girls.
	So when I saw it again, I just kind of didn't give him the benefit of the doubt because he's already cheated on me.
	So I'm assuming his intention was to work with someone else again.
	Okay.
	All right.
	And you said that he was jealous of you.
	You mentioned the impregnation thing.
	What made him a psychopathic narcissist?
	He's like a huge asshole.
	He's a really big asshole.
	Yeah, but what narcissists?
	No, he's abusive.
	He's a narcissist.
	He's an abusive narcissist.
	How do you know he's a narcissist?
	I've been watching a lot of videos from doctors and stuff.
	I have.
	I've been studying my own journey and stuff like that.
	Do you think if you watched a bunch of videos from doctors and stuff that you'd be able to, I don't know, it's not like I was just like, oh, mental health, what is mental health?
	Like, I dialed in on like, what is narcissism?
	Sure.
	And I think it's pretty spun up.
	Okay, we won't linger too long on that.
	You did want to talk about that you can turn a hoe into a housewife.
	Did anybody else have that as a thing you wanted to talk about?
	Turning a hoe into a housewife?
	Did you put that in your notes?
	Not word for word, but the essence, yes.
	Okay, that's what I did in person.
	By the way, what's that?
	You did it too?
	I did it, but I agree.
	Oh, you agree?
	So these are your words, but I didn't say hoe.
	You said hoe.
	You said you can turn a hoe into a housewife.
	I have to disagree with you here, but I'm open.
	I could be wrong, Brian.
	Well, I'm open to hearing you out.
	So what's your position?
	I don't know.
	I just, I think, I mean, I don't know, because my ex was a hoe too, though.
	So, like, you know, like men have to, like, you know, we were saying a little bit, take a little bit of accountability, you know.
	Should you turn a hoe into a housewife?
	Not always.
	I feel like I have like a- Just sometimes.
	Yeah, I feel like, like, you can't, like, you can't, okay.
	Only a hoe can turn themselves into a housewife, really.
	Like, it has divorced water.
	Yeah, but you can't make them into a safe hoe.
	Well, she'd have to find a man who's willing to do that.
	And my general recommendation to men, my prescriptive suggestion is that's not even the avenue you go down.
	That's not even the path you go down.
	Oh, what?
	If she has a past of doing sex work or a past of promiscuity, that is a hundred percent deal breaker.
	Go find yourself a girl.
	And there's plenty of women out there who aren't promiscuous, who haven't done S work.
	Go get that girl.
	Can you go get her?
	If you're not doing it, though.
	Like if you're not doing it.
	If you're sleeping around or have slept with like, say you've like, say you're a guy, say you've slept with like 10 women that you tried to have long-term relationships with and it didn't work.
	Can you realistically ask for a virgin?
	Yes.
	Because a lot of virgin women who are conservative or Christian, they want also virgin men who have the same mental fortitude that they did.
	So I'll answer your question.
	I'll answer your question.
	So just to reiterate, I'm not in favor of male promiscuity.
	However, I would say that there is a differential here in terms of the impact that promiscuity or being engaged in sex work, for example.
	Let's just keep it the promiscuity has on men and women.
	Now, I think they're both bad, but this seems to be more pronounced.
	There's a more pronounced impact on women.
	And there's biological reasons, there's other reasons, there's just kind of societal cultural reasons in terms of, you know, the reputational stuff.
	But I actually don't think there's anything wrong with, for example, a guy who was promiscuous making the sort of assessment that, well, actually, the best women to partner up with are women who are not promiscuous.
	We're all chasing after the best we can get, both men and women.
	Women want the best man they can get.
	Men want the best women that they can get.
	I don't think there's anything wrong with a guy who has a past of promiscuity acknowledging and realizing that if, for example, if he's desirous of a long-term relationship, that the most optimum choice for him, the most selfish choice, and I think selfishness to some degree is a virtue.
	Okay, I'm not going to, sorry, that's going to derail the conversation.
	We're all going to choose what's best for us, right?
	Sure, yeah.
	So, yeah, I don't object to it at all.
	Well, all I'll say is, like, of course, there's going to be what's optimal as a Christian in the Bible.
	Rahab was a full-on prostitute.
	She saved those people.
	Well, I'm just saying that.
	That's cool, but let's just talk about secular people.
	No, but this is, but I'm not a secular person.
	That's fine, but not everybody.
	Okay, but not everybody subscribes to a personality.
	Okay, but this is what I subscribe to, and the Christians who do will also agree that Rahab, who is a prostitute, gave her life to God.
	She saved people from the spies, turned away from prostitution, and God gave her a family, and she had a husband and children.
	Jesus came from the line of Rahab.
	So, can you turn a hoe to a housewife if they choose to give their life to God and turn away from sin?
	Yes, they can, and we can accept those people, and they can have a part of society.
	They need to have that hope that they can change, they can be accepted and be better, or there's no incentive.
	Look, women can change and be redeemed, but men do not need to then disregard their baggage and marry them.
	These are compatible, even from a religious purview.
	And I would say, can I just go ahead and do that?
	No, go ahead.
	Go ahead, go ahead, go ahead.
	Okay.
	I have a bit of a redemption arc because of my alcoholism.
	But I wouldn't tell my son that he should maybe do the same thing that maybe his dad did because that is suboptimal.
	And yes, I made changes, but that is the exemption or exception.
	Yeah, I'm not saying to go out of your way and look for someone who's a reformed prostitute to marry.
	That's not at all what I'm saying.
	I'm just saying that those people have just as equal opportunity.
	Because if God says they have value once they give their life to God and He has gifts for them that He's going to bless them with, I have no authority to tell that individual that they have no right to have a family or no right to have children or no family.
	I find a guy who's willing to do that, but my father is a good person.
	Would you tell your virgin son to marry a reformed prostitute?
	I'll tell my son to marry whoever God tells him to marry.
	Yeah, but okay, so just to make sure I'll leave this to you, Eddie.
	There is obviously, hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on, relax, relax before you start pradling again forever and ever, and I can't get a word.
	When we move into this, okay, I just want to know: your son comes to you, he's 18 years old, and he's like, Mom, Betty's out down the road who did OnlyFans for three years.
	I want to marry her, and she's done 250 scenes and sucked a thousand dicks.
	I want to marry her.
	You're going to be like, Well, okay, Junior.
	Has God called you to do it?
	And he goes, Sure has, mom.
	I would tell him to ask his dad about that, his father about it.
	Talk to him.
	What do you think his dad would say?
	Whatever his father says, that's his father.
	Yeah, so do you think that his father would probably say no?
	I don't know.
	It might depend if she's given her life to God, if she's changed.
	Okay, well, if his dad does say no, then you're going to go with that, right?
	Well, why not?
	He's not doing anything wrong by telling Junior, no, don't go and marry this prostitute, even if you think God told you to.
	That's not what I said.
	I said, if someone's reformed and they've given their life to God, they're a new person in Christ, and they've changed their ways.
	Sure, they're just as much as a valuable individual as I have been.
	Nobody's disputing that.
	So I can't tell somebody not to marry that person because of their past.
	Why not?
	Because everybody has a past.
	And Jesus says, when you are saved, you are washed and cleansed by the blood of the Lamb.
	You are new.
	That doesn't mean your past is erased.
	It doesn't mean it's erased, but it means I cannot now treat you like you are a sin.
	You are not a sin.
	You lived a life of sin, but you yourself, as a human being, are not a sin.
	Got it.
	Then let me ask you this last question, right?
	Let's assume for a second that you found out that your babysitter had been a reformed Christian for 15 years and lived a model life, but he had molested 15 children.
	Would you leave him at home with your children?
	That's not at all.
	Would you leave him at home with your children?
	He's a new person.
	That's not.
	You have no right to judge his past.
	No, that's not at all like the same.
	One is consensual, the other.
	Why is it not the same?
	There are still people who do that.
	Wait, it wouldn't be your preference to do that?
	It wouldn't be your preference to leave him there.
	No, because there's a rapist.
	Would you leave him with your daughter?
	So you're equating a prostitute to a pedo.
	No, what I'm equating to is I'm trying to say that you're comparing consent.
	It's insane to try to say that because a person has a past with children.
	It's insane to say that because a person doesn't has a past, you can't make a value judgment because they've been saved.
	That's not, I honestly think people can think that.
	Are you saying that those people can't be reformed?
	Whatever.
	They can't.
	Well, I know a situation where I can't be reformed.
	I know a situation where there's someone.
	All right, can they be reformed?
	Do you want to answer my question?
	I gave you God's solution in the Bible.
	So, yes or no, can they be reformed?
	I gave you my answer.
	Yeah, we won't answer the fucking question: weak.
	Can who be reformed?
	I'm calling a woman weak.
	The logic is awesome.
	The real question will be.
	The real question is: can they be forgiven by Jesus?
	No, the question is, reformed.
	Can they be forgiven by Jesus?
	Well, this is the same question.
	In your Catholic belief, do you think that a pedophile who molested 15 kids can be forgiven by Christianity?
	Bro, guys, guys, guys, don't let's not even.
	Hold on.
	He's the first person.
	No, no, no.
	I'm just changing the entire topic because you guys can't.
	The reason that it's brought up is to test the logic of saying, can we judge the past?
	I would say, of course, put them in the sword in a second.
	Love to say it.
	But I'm also not saying that a person like that can't be saved.
	I'm not saying that a prostitute can't be saved, but I'm saying we can look at both of their past and go, we can make a value judgment on you.
	I can understand that.
	We can judge behind you.
	I'm just changing the entire conversation.
	Judge behavior based on the people who are in the world.
	You can't abide by the guidelines we provide before the show.
	Andrew, you are my hero.
	I've been listening to you talk on whatever for a while now, and it has made me consider a lot about my role as a female and wife.
	Do you want a quick response?
	Awesome.
	Glad you enjoy the show.
	Thank you, Amanda.
	The med tech, we have also Mr. Travolta here coming in in just a second.
	Respectfully, first and last day super chatting.
	Dating podcast is off the rails.
	Religious nuts, absent hosts, feminists accusing men of looking down tops.
	Lackluster answers for super chat questions.
	Fishuzzle?
	Sorry?
	I don't know.
	This was a weirder show tonight, but I think it's because it was really contentious.
	And so when chats came in, we weren't really focusing as much on those as we were with arguing.
	Yeah.
	And sometimes, look, the questions aren't always the most clear when it comes to some of these chats, if you know what I mean.
	Oftentimes, it's best to, you know, make it make it as simple as possible.
	Nigerian scammer chatters.
	We have Ben George too scared to ask culturally where the fathers are, why might that be?
	And then he clarified: culture, we live in the melting pot of culture.
	Do you know what culture means?
	No, I'm Arcelored.
	Sorry, I don't know what that means.
	Then he says, Ben George, there is Asian culture, Latin culture, black, or African-American culture.
	Native American culture, there's also, dare I say, white culture or European culture.
	Why would you, why do you, why dare you say that?
	So which culture has the father's present?
	Uh, is that, I...
	Well, I couldn't tell you on behalf of you don't want to engage with this one.
	Oh, I don't?
	No.
	Because that one, I would not.
	I don't think it's TOS.
	Like, to just state a stat about that would stay clear of it.
	Hey, you know what, Andrew?
	He's the adjudicator.
	He's the arbiter of this.
	So, you know, unfortunately, Ben George, I think we know what you're trying to get at.
	And can we say that there's different rates of fatherhood among different races?
	I think that's okay.
	There's different rates of father.
	Isn't this like a Ben Shapiro?
	Like Ben Shapiro says this shit all the time.
	Hey, but you could say whatever you want to say on QUX, the tech company I co-founded.
	Little shameless plug there.
	Can he go on there?
	Can he go on there and be a Nazi?
	You can go on there and say whatever you want to say.
	Even if you were pro-H-word, you could go on there.
	You can say whatever you want to say on that.
	Really?
	Yeah.
	All right, here, let's move this on.
	You know, whether you like it or not, free speech is free speech.
	Okay, we were talking to Reina.
	We were talking about turning a hoe into a housewife.
	Yeah, I don't recommend it, but look, you know.
	It's not for the weak.
	What?
	You would argue.
	Yeah, you would argue it is for the weak.
	I mean, a strong man would not be inclined to deal with that headache.
	That's not always necessarily always true.
	No, we men, we go into the world and combat the difficulties of the world.
	We don't want to come home to a, if I can quote Proverbs 21, 19, better to live in the desert than with a quarrelsome and nagging wife.
	We don't want to contend with our apology.
	You should just read Proverbs 5 out loud.
	I'm not familiar with you should read it.
	Okay.
	Well, I'll have to look it up later.
	Let's see.
	I'm just seeing if there's any other stuff from you.
	There's cheating.
	You were dating this guy.
	Were you jealous if he did scenes with other chicks?
	Yeah.
	I think it did eventually get to that point.
	But I think he gave me problems about my scenes first.
	And then that jealousy kind of grew.
	The resentment grew in me because he would do that to me when he said that, you know, it wasn't fine.
	So yeah, I think it became like jealousy over time, but not at first.
	I wasn't.
	I was like, really cool.
	All right.
	So, okay, we're going to move on to faith.
	Yes.
	Faith here.
	You said you went through a little party phase.
	Yeah, I did.
	So I grew up very, very sheltered.
	I went to Catholic school, did the whole shebang.
	And then I went off to my first year of college.
	And I never really went to a party in high school except for one party, my senior year, and I stayed for like an hour.
	And so then my freshman year of college, when I went off to ASU, I just was like, oh my gosh, this is awesome, you know?
	And you went to ASU?
	Yeah, I go to school.
	Manager party school.
	Yeah.
	And I was an idiot because I was still hopeless romantic at heart.
	And I was like, hmm, I really want to find my husband.
	You know where the perfect place is to do that?
	Fraternity parties.
	I feel like you could say something about this too.
	But yeah, and so I would go to these fraternity parties and I'd be there for like 15 minutes.
	And then all of a sudden, I would see like the disgusting behavior going on.
	And I would just sort of have like a dissociative moment and like start like crying outside, being like, oh my gosh, this is so like depraved and sad and depressing.
	And I would go home and then I would repeat the cycle again, expecting a different outcome because I was just stupid.
	How often were you partying?
	Just on the weekends and like maybe on like Thursdays, just occasionally if I had finished my homework.
	Rick life is evil.
	You would go to a party for 15 minutes, leave and then go to a new party for 15 minutes?
	No, no, no.
	So I would go to a party for like 15 minutes.
	I would get all dolled up, get ready, go out to this party for like 15 minutes, sometimes 30 if it was like more tolerable.
	And then I would go outside and I would just be super bummed, super sad.
	And I would go home.
	And then the next week, the cycle would repeat because my friends would be like, hey, you know, such and such theme is going on.
	We can get dressed up, blah, And so I was like, okay, yeah, I don't want to be left out.
	I don't want to stay at home in my dorm room, you know?
	And so.
	What did you do wrong if you just went to these parties and left in 20 minutes?
	It was the drinking.
	And then you're getting drunk in 20 minutes?
	No, like the pre-gaming.
	And then additionally, when you go there, they also give out free alcohol.
	And so I would just get.
	So you would get drunk to go to the party.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Were you in a sense?
	That's how bad it was.
	No.
	You said, but you're now you're newly married.
	You said you described yourself born-again Christian.
	Yes.
	21.
	Yes.
	You said being married at 21 in this day and age is an anomaly in itself.
	Okay.
	It's true.
	You said also there's a huge divide between men and women today as there's an attack on family.
	The female empowerment lifestyle I was living before becoming Christian was highly counterproductive to what is healthiest, what most women my age actually want deep down.
	An emotionally mature, strong, loyal man.
	Many of the qualities women are pushing back on are the exact qualities that will give them the stable and healthy relationships they desire and that every human being deserves.
	Do you care to elaborate on any of that?
	Yeah, absolutely.
	So also my first year of college, I was an astrology girl.
	I was just totally off my rocker.
	I was like, I hate men.
	Men suck.
	F the patriarchy.
	You know, and like I was on my whole womp womp.
	I know, I know.
	It was really bad.
	It was really bad.
	And I was like, I don't need to conform or submit to any man.
	It's garbage, blah, And then it's like, okay, yeah, you say all this, and yet here you are, unhappy, single, alone, you know, and depressed, really, really depressed.
	And then I had, and I just hit rock bottom, and I had a personal encounter.
	You know, I feel with God, with the Holy Spirit, and everything.
	Wait, were you about to say you had a smashmortion?
	What's your life?
	No, Sounded like you're about to say, okay.
	No, not at all, not at all.
	But yeah, no, I just hit rock bottom.
	I like self-isolated from everyone.
	I just found that party culture, just a lot of people there.
	It's just kind of like a bottomless void of nothingness and emptiness.
	And you're not going to find anything really fulfilling and meaningful there.
	And so those places where I was seeking that out, and how I was seeking it out and conducting myself and that behavior, it's not going to provide anything that I wanted because at the end of the day, I did want a loyal man.
	And when I would watch the whatever podcast and everything, I would see all these girls and they're like, oh, yeah, you know, in a couple years when I want to settle down after I finish my OF career or whatever, it is.
	I would love to be on one of those podcasts.
	Yeah, like when I finish my OF career, you know, I'll find this husband, blah, blah, blah.
	So it's like, even like, if you're not really thinking about it, or even like how you were saying, like, it's, and how all of us were saying, we've all had experiences, most of us, where a guy has screwed us over and it's hurt because we want that commitment.
	We want that loyalty.
	And we can't get that if we're going out partying, being like totally crazy, whatever it is.
	And so after I became Christian, I humbled myself and I got like a totally, you know, I got a totally new nature.
	I got way more in touch with my femininity.
	And yeah, I don't, I don't, you know, resent myself.
	Did you ever have color in your hair?
	I did.
	I did.
	Was this your feminist days?
	Yes.
	What color?
	Blue?
	Purple?
	No, no, no.
	It was like, it was red.
	It was like a bright, like penny-wise red.
	Oh my God.
	It's on my phone, but yeah, all right.
	One of the things that you wanted to, you said you had a disagreement with the show.
	Sometimes the way women are demeaned.
	Yeah.
	And I assume you're talking about Andrew here.
	I was.
	I was.
	I'm not.
	Raging misogynist.
	No, not a misogynist.
	Because you do believe it pushes women to be angry at men more divided.
	Well, I've often received this accusation too, I suppose.
	So, can you provide an example of a time, you know?
	Yeah, I can't think of the exact time.
	Demean tonight.
	No, like, I just, no, no.
	There was a time on a recent episode, I can't remember, like, word for word, but no, no, no, it was Andrew.
	Wow.
	I'm sorry.
	I'm sorry.
	And again, I like, I agree with your views.
	But.
	But it's the way I say it.
	No, it's not the way you say it.
	It's actually like words that you say, and it's counterproductive to getting your point across.
	I don't, I, like, my, like, my dad, like, straight up, like, is super conservative.
	And when I was in my liberal phase, would like straight up like yell at me, whatever it is.
	But I, you know, it wasn't in the way like that.
	So there was a girl that was talking about, like, I'm a born-again virgin or whatever it was.
	And you're like, can you like piece together like, or can you, can you regenerate?
	No.
	Was it the Asian girl?
	When I asked her if God could give her back her hymen.
	Yeah, yeah.
	That was super funny.
	She was so pissed that chick was so mad.
	But it's stupid.
	It's stupid.
	It is stupid.
	Why doesn't anybody just say, look, don't be stupid?
	You can say it's stupid, but then there are like times where it's crap.
	What really emphasizes that is when you make a comment like that and they're like, fuck.
	Okay, that's stupid.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, I can understand that.
	But then you also have people that are like, see, you know, like, like, he hates women, and this is why, like, you know, we should rebel against this.
	Versus, I feel like if the comments were maybe a little less crass in that regard, it could have gotten your point across better.
	But I do understand.
	And, like, I could be totally wrong.
	Have you ever heard of a creator named Pearl Davis?
	Yes, actually.
	Yo, shout out, Pearl.
	Yeah, one of the reasons that I think that so many women come after her and hate her guts is because she's funny.
	And most women are not funny.
	Yeah.
	They suck and they're miserable when it comes to humor.
	They're just not funny.
	Yeah.
	And I think they actually get mad at her because she's hilarious and that's just really rare to see.
	That comment that I made was super funny.
	And everybody was laughing except, of course, a bunch of women.
	I can't believe it.
	I don't think it's a women thing.
	I think that's a good idea.
	What about the message?
	And it's like, have I demeaned?
	Have I done any demeaning?
	Yeah, you were awful, Brian.
	That was pretty bad.
	No, not tonight.
	I mean, like, not honestly, not that I demeaning.
	No, but I can't think of, of course, off the top of my head.
	I'm not going to say something that's not true or that I can't recall.
	I've probably demeaned.
	I mean, like, we're all guilty.
	Like, I think that some of the questions that people ask on the show have happened.
	Wait, wait, wait, wait.
	Hold on, say that again?
	I think some of the questions asked on the show have been a bit demeaning.
	And I don't know if it's just because of this being a dating podcast, some of the questions that are being asked, but I find some of them being very inappropriate or, you know, just pushing boundaries.
	Which one?
	Well, I mean, there's different ones where you've asked.
	I know you had an issue with the rating yourself thing.
	Yeah, is the truth.
	Was the rating one inappropriate or demeaning?
	wouldn't say that one I mean I that seemed to be the only question you really know No, no, I give you some examples.
	I agree.
	Okay, so I thought that that one was, to me, it's kind of like not a very, I feel like it's not a very intellectual question to ask somebody, just asking them to rate themselves.
	But I guess if that's the current dating culture that everyone just does, then maybe I'm just not aware of that because I've, you know, haven't been dating for 12 years.
	Okay.
	But so I think some of that stuff just, to me, some of the level of questions that are being asked just don't seem like I'm used to, for example, I'm used to going on a lot of podcasts on a lot of shows and I'm used to men interacting with me in a way that's more professional or respectful.
	So I my thing is I've noticed like the questions being asked here and the way the women are being talked to here is kind of more or less like a little bit more like they're being looked at as sex objects, which you know maybe.
	How could you possibly arrive at the moment?
	She's not very lucky or you wanted to heard them call it, bro.
	You're a fucking feminist.
	I'm going to fucking double.
	I told you it was a fucking answer.
	You're a fucking feminist.
	Everything that's come out your fucking mouth, you are a fucking feminist.
	No, here's my clue.
	Okay, allow me to prove it.
	Here's a point here.
	on one of your podcasts yeah on one you said tonight though hey Hey, no, I didn't say tonight.
	I said on one of your podcasts, you asked women about the anatomy of their vaginas.
	How is that not treating women like sex objects?
	I think the TTS does that.
	What's specific?
	Okay, tell me specifically what I said.
	I think I know what you're getting at, but specifically, what did I say?
	Are you talking about that two-hole prostitute?
	No, you asked women specifically about the anatomy of their vaginas.
	That's what you asked on your, on your, specifically, I think you said if they had any vaginas or outie vaginas, you're asking them to go around the table and talk about their vaginas.
	And to me, Brian, you made a joke.
	That is, no, it's not a joke.
	I think to me, that's not a, I mean, that's kind of a demeaning question to ask a woman.
	Would you ask that to your mother?
	What?
	Yeah, would you ask your mother and her friends, you know, do you have an inny or outie vagina in the bakery?
	First off.
	Would you ask that to your mother?
	First off, the way fingers have been in her cake.
	Yeah, call up your mom right now and ask her if she has an innie or outie vagina.
	Well, hold on.
	The question.
	I mean, is that appropriate?
	Are you going to let me answer the question?
	Are you just going to continue yapping on as Andrew says here?
	Okay, go ahead.
	Okay, the way that you conduct yourself in any scenario is going to vary based on the relationship dynamics that exist.
	For example, we're all actors to some degree.
	The way that I might conduct myself or that I might have conducted myself when I was in school, for example, and there's a teacher, I'm going to conduct myself much differently than when I'm among my friends.
	Or the way you conduct yourself at work is much different than the way you might conduct yourself, you know, with, again, a friend group or your girlfriend, for example.
	So would I ask my mom about, first off, I'm kind of you bringing my mother into this is sort of insulting in its own right.
	But no, to answer your question, I wouldn't ask her this question.
	But this is a dating podcast.
	We regularly talk about sex-related things, dating-related things.
	Now, to actually address the initial point that you made about that I was asking that question, you're actually just full-on.
	Herronious.
	You're just wrong, and you're actually, it's very disingenuous.
	Just like.
	How is it disingenuous?
	Hold on.
	Just like when we were saying she should bow, you made this like false accusation that said your intention was to be predatory and tee down her shirt, which actually wasn't the case at all.
	You said bow towards the camera.
	I'm about to destroy your fucking position.
	A TTS came in and asked the question.
	It wasn't me.
	It was a TTS that said, innies or outies, ladies.
	If I'm recalling, it was the previous show, I'm pretty sure.
	Nick, you might recall.
	Spencer, you might recall.
	Madison, you might recall.
	It wasn't me just like out of the ether asking the question.
	A TTS asked it.
	And I was almost like hesitantly like, like I was kind of, it's obviously a bit uncomfortable to ask somebody about their genitalia.
	But out of respect for the TTSer, I was like, okay, fuck it.
	I guess.
	So it's a bit disingenuous for you to say that it was me asking when I was just entertaining the person who asked the question via the TTS.
	Right.
	I mean, do you have to ask questions?
	And I told the girls, I'm pretty sure I told the girls, you don't have to answer the question.
	And in fact, Andrew, I think you were there too in the call-in.
	So it's just a little bit unfair.
	You've done some very unfair characterization.
	Don't you think that is an inappropriate question to be asked about?
	How this always works is like this.
	And I've watched this now.
	I think, by the way, it made history tonight because I think that I'm the most recurred.
	You are the most recurring show ever history.
	What do you know?
	Anyway, I've seen this so many times now, but what Brian always does is he will stop on a question if you don't want to answer it, and he might ask you your reasoning.
	And if your reasoning is silly, he might argue back and forth.
	He never actually tells women they have to answer the question.
	He'll just argue.
	If they're giving a reason why they won't, that makes no sense.
	And if I recall if I recall correctly to that actual question, if I recall, I think none of the women answered that.
	Yep.
	Just asked it from the TTS.
	But okay.
	But I mean, on a dating podcast, you're going to talk about sex.
	You're going to talk about all that kind of stuff.
	I mean, that's what the whole point is.
	Like, I get it.
	It's not comfortable to be in a room full of fucking DGNs talking about sex all the time.
	But if you want to get your message to people, you want to go.
	Would you ask that on a first date to a girl?
	Fuck yeah, bro.
	If she had an any pull up Big Labia Matter.
	Pull that shit up.
	Fucking shit.
	I'm not.
	Hashtag Big Labia Matter.
	For me, those types of things, I don't give a shit.
	I'm like, I don't give a fuck how many, you know, this has happened or that or what you rate.
	Like, those things for me are the least important thing from my perspective for the podcast.
	I don't care if that's, it's, that's not what I'm here for.
	I'm here to give ideological pushback.
	I'm just saying to you, I understand on a dating podcast, it makes sense why those questions would be asked.
	That's all.
	Girls ask me if I'm a munch.
	That's a munch.
	You don't want to ask.
	You don't know.
	Wait, Renee, why don't you tell us right now?
	Wow, Renee, why don't you say that?
	She does need feminism.
	A munch is just a certified eater.
	You just invite him over to eat you out.
	That's it.
	That's fucking disgusting.
	Hey.
	Do you have that?
	No.
	I just know what it is.
	You call it an eater?
	Is that the thing that people call it a munch?
	Is that the thing that I spice?
	Yeah.
	Oh, my God.
	Just a munch.
	You're the meeting in my coochie.
	Oh, my God.
	I thought it was like a Cheeto.
	What is that?
	But like, hold on.
	Millie, do you see why me and Andrew might think you're feminist?
	Because you've used a bunch of buzzwords.
	Sexual objectification.
	What was the other thing to mean?
	Demeaning.
	Well, here's the question.
	Is it impossible to be sexually objective to a man or a woman?
	Yeah, both men and women can be sexually objectrified.
	Okay, so I don't even really know what the thing was, like, my perspective and take on asking certain questions like that was that it was kind of treating the women as sexual.
	Sure, but the go-to.
	Here's the big example, right?
	Is the go-to, the go-to is with the bow thing.
	The bow thing was nuts.
	Like, that made no sense.
	Nobody was trying to see down this girl's shirt.
	Okay.
	Well, you have to understand.
	She's wearing a little cut block.
	There's an ongoing meme on the screen.
	There's a camera right here.
	You said face.
	The camera bowed to the camera.
	I'm seeing that as she's bowing down, you can start to see more and more.
	Yeah, it's amazing.
	And I was wanting to let her know, hey, wait, they're trying to.
	You're trying to kind of be like motherfucking.
	Couldn't you just said you might be exposing yourself rather than their conservation?
	Who are you accusing?
	Who are you accusing me?
	Well, you guys seemed like it was really fun and funny and just a meme.
	Okay.
	Literally, it's an ongoing meme of the show.
	There's women, it's like, oh, you know, can we get her to do it?
	Then it's patriarchy wins again.
	It has nothing to do with any, it's an ongoing meme, literally a joke, and it's funny.
	I'm a non-profit.
	So, yeah, that was definitely not the intention.
	But it was, but it was your go-to.
	I don't care about boots.
	It was your go-to, along with all the other feminist ideology.
	No, I'm not a feminist.
	I'm not a feminist.
	I'm a conservative.
	See, I don't think you guys are actually.
	He said he's not a conservative man.
	I agree that he's not.
	You say that you're a conservative man, but I've heard you tonight espouse a lot of kind of beliefs that aren't necessarily conservative.
	I can't wait to hear one.
	I would love to hear one belief I've espoused that's not conservative.
	Just one.
	Well, I guess some of the beliefs you said on you were pushing back against making it illegal to essentially have premarital sex.
	It's a non-conservative belief not to criminalize premarital sex.
	Is that correct?
	Right, but then the other things.
	No, is that correct?
	Okay, well, I would say that if you're not.
	Is that correct?
	I'm not saying that necessarily.
	Okay, that was one indication.
	The other indication was when we were discussing about what conservative men should be held accountable to as far as engaging in premarital sex, and you were really kind of pushing it more on that it was the woman and that she's the one who has the choice and the say at the end of the day and has the power, and that you said women.
	You said women hold the power, so they're gatekeepers of sex.
	You said yeah, women hold the power, they're gatekeepers of sex, as though and that's kind of pushing back in that you know, men also have a role in it as well yeah, I said that.
	Yeah, and not only did I say that, but I said that male chastity is necessary.
	I said absolutely 100.
	Male promiscuity should be socially stigmatized, just like female uh promiscuity, all of it.
	I still haven't actually heard a single position that I have.
	Most conservatives I know believe in the constitution, and you did say you didn't believe in the constitution.
	No, listen so that you understand, because I don't think he ever got the argument.
	It's not a matter of believing or not believing the constitution.
	The constitution exists.
	It's the law of the land.
	People follow it.
	They do or don't follow it, whatever.
	I was making an argument against rights being anything other than a social construction.
	That has nothing to do with my belief in the constitution.
	Saying the constitution is wrong, nothing like that.
	Just that the rights which are entailed in it are a social construction built on a false starting point, an axiom, that's it.
	That's the whole argument.
	There's nothing antithetical to conservatism about it.
	In fact, conservatism should about be about the conservation of the Bible, not the conservation of the constitution.
	We know this because you yourself would want to see certain amendments from the old constitution taken out, like slavery right.
	So you want the constitution to be amended, don't?
	Well, it already has been.
	Right.
	And you would like that, right?
	That's not a bad thing.
	Yeah, but I don't know.
	But we don't want the Bible in the Constitution as it stands today and, you know, the values that it has.
	Yeah.
	And it did kind of sound like earlier you were essentially arguing and undermining it.
	Well, there's lots in the Constitution I don't like.
	Yeah, totally.
	Tons of things in it I don't like that I think suck.
	I mean, I think that it sucks for one thing that we have a Congress now that doesn't elect the president.
	And instead, it's elected by popular vote.
	I don't like that.
	I think that that sucks.
	I think that that's a stupid process and it never was the process.
	I don't like the fact that we have expanded suffrage and we're continuing to expand suffrage.
	That's a bad system.
	There's lots of systems I can point to that are superior.
	Tons of things in it I disagree with.
	But what does that have to do with anything?
	It's not a conservative principle.
	So I don't, I'm still actually waiting to hear a single conservative principle I don't hold.
	Right.
	I don't necessarily agree with wanting to ban, I guess, women's right to vote or take away women's right to vote as conservatively.
	That's a conservative person.
	We do have a chat here.
	Renee, can you read it for us?
	You got this.
	This feminist loon made me chat one more time.
	They see the quote male boogeyman end quote everywhere.
	It makes no sense for Brian to ask her to bow to see up her shirt with thousands of people watching.
	You are an idiot.
	I don't know.
	Then why would he ask that?
	Because it's an ongoing meme.
	It's an ongoing meme of the show where people are.
	You stand up and bow.
	Wait, are you actually still just holding firm on your position that are.
	She stood up and bowed.
	Wait, are you still holding firm on your position?
	He's saying it makes no sense to have her stand up and bow in front of the camera.
	And I'm saying, well, you did.
	But, well, yes, I'm not denying that I asked her to do it, but are you staying firm in your assertions that my motivations for doing it was to see down her shirt?
	Well, it was interpreted that that I interpreted it as that was a possibility of what was going on there.
	You just got me too, homie.
	I was interpreting it as that.
	It seemed kind of like it.
	I mean, you're asking them to bow forward with low-cut shirts towards the camera and the camera's coming out.
	Like that, there's no other way to bow.
	Yes.
	I'm familiar.
	Right, but so what evidence do you have that the motivation was to see down her shirt?
	I said that's how I interpreted it.
	How?
	Because the way that like there was like laughing and giggling and it just seemed like it.
	Because laughing and giggling implies that there's like a bad faith reason for like, I don't get it.
	Okay, well then why after I brought it up?
	No, why after I brought it up that you could see down, did you still continue to carry on and encourage her to do it?
	Because I was never information.
	Okay.
	Is this a post hoc justification?
	So after you knew that the possibility existed that she had a low-cut shirt and it could spill the beans for the entirety of the camera, why would you risk your channel with a nude shot by having her bow and show all of that, Brian?
	You fool.
	Why?
	You sick fuck.
	Get your shit together, Brian.
	Unbelievable.
	So I don't even think I pressed it that much further, but you're saying by virtue of me following up on the bow request, that is evidence that your initial assertion is correct.
	Well, it kind of made, yeah, following up when I'm like, hey, you know, we can totally see down your shirt.
	Your logic, it seems a little faulty here.
	I don't think so.
	Okay, let me, I'm gonna, I want to try to give an example where I could just turn this on you and essentially call you uh um you should be grateful if anything, because I prevented you from getting a terms of service because wait terms no, that's different.
	Wait, hang on, that's different.
	Do you think he wanted to get a terms of service strike?
	Yeah, do you think he wanted to get a terms of service strike?
	She can do a bow with a jacket on.
	Hang on, though.
	Yeah, go ahead, go ahead.
	If you don't think he wanted to get a terms of service strike, then why would he ask her to bow to see down her shirt?
	Well, I mean, you potentially could.
	I mean, I don't know if you were going to see nipple.
	I'm sure if you show nipple, you're going to be able to do it.
	So he just wanted to see her cleavage real bad.
	Like, really?
	Okay.
	That's like.
	I already said I'm an ass guy.
	Like, I don't.
	I'm not really that interested in.
	Okay, well, all I know is me as a woman, if I was going to potentially do something that could be exposing myself in front of the whole internet, I would want other women to be like, hey, you know, we can totally see down your shirt.
	Yeah, but that's not what you said.
	You said they want to see down your shirt.
	Because that's what it appeared to be like.
	It appeared to be that.
	What evidence do you have for that?
	It appeared to be that way.
	Okay, well, I'm just telling you.
	I'm just walking at you.
	And look, you have the opportunity to be like, you know, that's totally not what we're intending.
	And I can go, okay.
	You know, but I think that's what I'm doing.
	Right now.
	You know what?
	Here's the thing.
	When I initially said it, if you guys would have been like, oh, wow, okay, you know what?
	Hold your shirt if you're going to bow or whatever.
	Then I would have been like, then I probably would have been like, okay, you know what?
	I'm sorry for jumping to conclusions there.
	Nobody, you pushed back and said, no, no, no, don't do it, don't do it.
	They're trying to do it.
	I'm not surprised by such a ridiculous thing.
	I was trying to push back on her, like, no, no, no, don't do it.
	Yeah, because you could totally see.
	Well, then that doesn't prove your point because you would have just said, hey, when you bow, do this.
	Cover yourself.
	But you immediately implied that it was like malicious intent.
	And like I said, that's how I perceived it.
	Damn bro, this is how dudes get falsely accused.
	It seems jokey.
	No, it's not.
	It seemed that's literally what you're doing though.
	The joke was that she presented herself as the most feminist here.
	So to get her to bow, they're going to say patriarchy wins.
	That was the joke.
	The joke wasn't, haha, we're going to see her tits.
	Okay.
	Just a meme.
	All right.
	Well, here's the thing.
	What I will say.
	If you guys really and truly didn't intend for her to be.
	I didn't fucking ask anybody to bow anyway.
	Brian, if you really didn't intend for her to be like exposing herself like that to the millions of followers you have, then I apologize for jumping to conclusions.
	Maybe I did.
	Maybe I was like, yeah, go ahead and bow.
	And you know what?
	I'm going to double down.
	You should still go fucking bow.
	Still, right this second you should bow and you're still a fucking feminist and you're dumb and you made an accusation that has no merit whatsoever.
	I'm not sure if I'm trying to meet you with this guy to get out of the way.
	No, I'm not trying to meet you.
	I'm not trying to.
	He wanted to see down your shirt of this poor 19-year-old girl.
	That's no proof at all for your allegay.
	Just made it for no reason at all.
	Pretty awful, if you ask me.
	Pretty female being asked to me.
	Did you hear what I just said?
	I did.
	I said, if he, in fact, didn't intend, then I apologize.
	Okay, well, then I apologize to you, Brian, if you really didn't intend to do that.
	But it's how I perceived it.
	And that's why I said that.
	But that's a feminist perception.
	It's not a feminist perception.
	No, because the way the conversation led up to it.
	Male gaze.
	And the joking and the laughing, and it kind of seemed like you guys were getting kind of giddy.
	I thought, okay, well, it kind of seems like we're about to see a show of her breasts, you know, on the big screen.
	Can we move on or something?
	I feel really uncomfortable with this conversation.
	Can we ask the person in question, Renee?
	Do you feel like that was my intention asking for the bow?
	Uh, no, but I am glad I didn't actually like fully, I would have just rathered maybe if someone's hold your shirt up, girl.
	Right.
	Yeah.
	I mean, this is within the context of my conversation with you because you actually specifically wanted to talk about your experience with the bow.
	So it was like, it wasn't just like non-sequitur, let me ask Renee over here for a bow.
	It was within the context of our conversation.
	Oh my God, this is such a meta conversation.
	It was within that context.
	So, okay.
	Did I just get that was a me too for sure, bro?
	That was funny.
	They totally.
	That was a me too.
	All right, too.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Well, you sick son of a bitch.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Well, good talk, I guess.
	All right, let's get some.
	Let me read some of the chats.
	We have Nickelodeon.
	She focused on the at the camera part of the bow request.
	Brian was respectfully telling her she didn't have to bow to him.
	So do it towards the camera.
	Apparently that makes you a predator, Brian.
	Yeah, you know.
	Yeah, it is what it is.
	Thank you, Nickelodeon.
	I don't recall the exact verbatim of what was said, what wasn't said.
	So, yeah.
	Evil world body cams.
	This feminist is an idiot.
	They just can't see past the male boogeyman.
	Yeah, pretty much anything men do is always going to be viewed within like this sort of lens of, I guess, men, it's always viewed in this like men tend to be pathologized always.
	So I'm saying that there are thousands of people watching, so that wasn't his intent.
	He worked too hard to lose channel to see some nip.
	Yeah, bro.
	We had a nip slip once or twice on the show.
	We are very avoidant of that sort of thing.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Thank you, evil world body cams.
	Appreciate it, man.
	Let me finish, try to get through my notes here.
	Bringing it back to faith.
	Faith, you said, if you can, be quick, tell us the Antichrist story really quick.
	Oh my gosh, yeah, okay.
	So, yeah, right.
	Is there no red heifer involved?
	Huh?
	Nothing.
	I'm sorry.
	Okay, so back when I was just starting to kind of get into Christianity and whatnot, I wasn't totally convinced yet, but I was moving closer and closer, starting to do some research on the Bible and everything.
	And I was seeing this guy sort of, it was my first and only ever sort of like friends with the benefits sort of thing.
	I very much regret it.
	And one night.
	Did he go to 15-minute parties with you too?
	No, no, no, no.
	One night, I had gotten a call from someone who was like a sort of spiritual religious mentor, and he was actually the pastor that married my husband and I in the end.
	But I remember earlier that day, he had called and was like, hey, just by the way, I kind of got, I was deep in prayer this morning, and just stay away from men right now.
	Like, there's, I just, I was like, yeah, whatever, fine, you know.
	And then later on then that day, this guy, the Antichrist, came over and I was kind of talking to him about how I was feeling really guilty about what we were doing.
	I was like, I don't, I don't feel like this is, this is spiritually right.
	I don't feel like this is right for me anymore.
	I just don't feel like I'm this type of girl.
	I just, it's not.
	And he was like, well, why do you think that?
	And I'm like, oh, well, because I'm really starting to fall in love with Christianity and I'm falling in love with God again and everything.
	And his demeanor totally switched and he just like totally different person.
	I'm like getting chills right now, like totally different person.
	He was like, well, I hate God.
	And I was like, what do you mean?
	He's like, well, I'm atheist.
	And I was like, oh, okay.
	And he's like, yeah, no, I hate the Bible.
	And I was like, well, don't you go to a Catholic college?
	And he's like, yeah, I do, but that doesn't mean anything.
	He's like, I'm the, and then all of a sudden he starts to say, and it was stupid of me to think that, but, you know, it was late at night.
	I was tired, whatever.
	And then all of a sudden, he's like, yeah, and I'm the Antichrist, actually, and I can't wait to burn in hell.
	I can't wait to die and burn in hell.
	And just right?
	Right?
	And he started to go on and on about this.
	And I just totally freaked out.
	He went to take a shower.
	I called my...
	Are you saying you slept with the Antichrist?
	Oh, my God.
	It freaks me out.
	But I did a lot of deep prayer afterward and everything.
	And I think he's just very anti-Christian and everything.
	And so I called my mentor and I was like, oh, my God, you were right.
	What do I do?
	What do I do?
	And he was like, just pray about it.
	I'll pray about it.
	We'll figure this out.
	And the next morning, and I kind of slept with one eye open that night because it was like three in the morning.
	I didn't want to do anything because I've never heard some guy say crazy stuff like that.
	And the next morning, I like woke up with, I don't know if I can say this, but like things, like bruises and whatnot, like all over my body, like really, really dark bruises.
	And I don't know how they got there.
	And I never saw him again, thankfully.
	But that was my final thing of like, okay, God, this was my son.
	I guess the bruises thing.
	How did the bruises come about?
	I literally don't, I don't know, I don't know how they got there.
	The next morning I took a shower.
	Were you maybe just tossing and turning?
	Maybe, but I've never had that ever happen before.
	But yeah, and maybe it doesn't have any, maybe it doesn't have anything to do with it at all.
	I just thought it was very, very, very peculiar and strange.
	And I saw it the next morning when I was taking a shower because I literally couldn't stand the stench.
	I actually came down to Santa Barbara for like three days after the fact because I didn't want to be in my house anything or well, my apartment.
	I didn't want to be in my apartment anything.
	I was just so freaked out about it.
	But I'm thankful that the experience happened because it was a huge learning experience.
	And it was enough to scare me into celibacy until I met my husband months, months later.
	Did you hook up with the guy?
	Did you hook up with him?
	Yes, yes.
	It was consistent.
	We knew each other for months beforehand and talked for a little while.
	Wait, so you were having sex with this antichrist.
	The antichrist.
	Yes, but I didn't know.
	But it was the very last time that I saw him after consistent.
	And my husband knows this story.
	I've talked with him to make sure he's comfortable with me talking about this.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	So, I mean, if anyone who's watching, you know, is curious, like, sometimes this stuff is legit.
	Like, this was a very real experience, and it was crazy.
	So, but yeah.
	But you said this man was essentially just an atheist college man who I met when I was debating celibacy, was first starting out to know God.
	So you met him.
	You were interested in pursuing Christ.
	You were interested in, you were trying to be celibate, but he veered you off the path a bit.
	Yeah.
	It wasn't that I was even, because I wasn't fully committed to Christ yet, so I wasn't intentionally trying to be celibate.
	I just was because I just, at the time, I was self-isolating.
	It was my post-party phase.
	I was self-isolating.
	I didn't want to have anything to do with anyone.
	And so I just happened to meet this guy through.
	Wait.
	Just a couple questions.
	Sure, sure.
	You met him.
	How did you meet him?
	I met him through work.
	Through work?
	Yeah.
	And you said you did have sex with him.
	How quickly after meeting him did you have sex with him?
	I think like four months, four months?
	Four months?
	Because we would just see each other at work and he would walk me home after work.
	Atheist.
	Yeah, yeah, but we we'd never really talk we never really got to that point because at the time I wasn't like really oh were you guys like not dating for the that period of time?
	No, and I fully regret it and I fully advise against it.
	So yeah, but but so four months and then you guys were hooking up for how long?
	Just it was only like three like three times.
	That was the third time.
	Three times.
	That was the third time that that happened.
	You waited four months and okay.
	Well it was because he would only be at work occasionally.
	He kind of was like the it was like the I was I was a server at the at a restaurant and so sometimes when it would get really really packed he would kind of he would host and everything.
	So yeah.
	Good times.
	But then when just I forgot if you already answered this you're married.
	Did you wait until marriage to for carnal knowledge with your husband?
	No and I yeah I think you answered that.
	Yeah I, and again, I advise against it.
	But there was a, there was a point.
	It was when we first.
	It was when we first started dating and I much I, you know we're both much stronger in our faith now, but when we first started dating, you know, we weren't yeah, and it got to a point where I was getting a lot of like conviction and everything and I would, I would pray about it and I'd open up my Bible and all of a sudden, like all I could see was like you know, celibacy of celibacy, like everywhere, and I was like okay, this is definitely like yeah, and so, and we had to talk about it and I was like yeah, I'm just, I'm just not comfortable with this and and it's been really good or,
	and it was really good because we were able, whenever we had disagreements, we could think about like we think through things more logically and everything, and it was, it was just better and all around healthier and I and I definitely think that's why, yeah.
	Final notes here from Eden.
	Eden, you said that you're in a committed age gap relationship with your boyfriend, who's 32.
	You are 21 correct correct okay, you tell us your craziest dating story.
	So this happened when I was 19, I was dating this doctor in San Francisco and he was 40 years old.
	Yeah, pretty crazy what kind of doctor.
	He was a podiatrist, foot doctor.
	They can get it.
	He didn't have a foot fetish though, so but I would guess that that would be bad if you were a foot doctor.
	But um yeah, it was.
	It was really crazy.
	Looking back on it, it was something I got super invested in at the time just because I was so young and naive and he kind of like I mean we, it was super intense.
	We went on like trips to Napa.
	I mean he bought me designer gifts and we were going to concerts and stuff like that and I don't know.
	He was just like promising me the world and stuff.
	And so I you know me being 19 and stupid, I was just like okay, this man loves me because he's saying he does.
	But yeah after, after we had sex though, I got home and I was blocked.
	But looking back on it, there were a lot what?
	Wait, hold on, and I have some pre-show notes here so perhaps I can prompt it.
	So he, you're 40 or, excuse me, he was 40.
	He was 40.
	He's a doctor.
	You were 19.
	He was taking you on expensive dates, bought you luxury gifts.
	He was fun, intellectual conversations, Christian, good morals, although that seems dubious.
	Overall, the perfect package, right?
	How long were you?
	You said you guys had sex once and then ghosted?
	Like he into the mic?
	Yeah, so I obviously didn't have sex with him initially, and so this happened over like a span of three months.
	Okay.
	And so I had sex with him like at the end of three months.
	Three months.
	Three months.
	Yeah.
	This guy waited three months to have sex one time.
	Are you sure he wasn't like married or anything like that?
	I mean, he lived alone, but I mean, he could have been.
	Closer to the mic.
	Wait, so okay, a couple questions here.
	How did you meet him?
	It was on Tinder, actually.
	You met him on Tinder?
	Yeah, he just like randomly asked me if I wanted to go to a concert.
	Okay, and how many, so you, it was a three-month period of time, but like how frequently would you see him?
	Once a week, twice a week?
	I would say every couple weeks, maybe three weeks.
	Oh, so you only maybe went on.
	How many times did you see him before you guys?
	I would say we saw each other like five times.
	Five times, okay.
	So three months, but only hung out five times.
	Every day, and I mean, he would just constantly.
	Like phone calls.
	He lived in your city?
	No, he lived in San Francisco.
	And where did you live?
	Presno.
	How far?
	Is that like an hour away?
	A couple hours, yeah.
	Would you drive to see him?
	I would.
	But he would.
	He'd pay for your gas and stuff.
	Okay.
	Can she just put the mic in her lap?
	Oh, yeah, that might be better.
	So you would talk every day for like how long an hour or something?
	I mean, just like throughout the whole day, phone calls, every day.
	Really?
	Yeah, and I mean, it was like so intense.
	Because he would like talk about.
	Okay, so sorry, go ahead.
	He would talk about how, you know, he loved me and like wanted to make plans for the future.
	And obviously he was just filling my head with whatever I wanted to hear so that I would.
	Damn, bro, this guy.
	Okay.
	I got some thoughts on this dude, but so he was doing all these nice things.
	You had sex, and then you did a complete 360.
	You got home and you were blocked.
	Right.
	Did he communicate with you at all?
	Like, did he say why?
	Do you have any suspicions as to why he did this?
	I mean.
	Into the mic?
	No, he didn't say anything.
	I hadn't spoken to him.
	Wait, so okay, you guys, so let's break this down.
	You're on your fifth date or whatever.
	You guys had a great, whatever, date.
	One thing leads to another.
	You have sex.
	I mean, I drew.
	He kisses you goodbye.
	Everything's all hunky jewelry.
	We'll see you next time.
	And then, as soon as I got home.
	Nothing, like, after having sex, nothing's strange or anything?
	No, it seemed completely fine.
	Everything was good.
	You go back home, you send him a text, and it's like green or some shit.
	Yeah.
	And you've not heard anything from this guy?
	No.
	Did you try to call him?
	I did, yeah.
	Obviously, it didn't come.
	And you never got through?
	Right.
	Damn, bro.
	Holy shit.
	It was pretty heartbroken.
	Wait, so okay.
	I did dodge a bullet, though, looking back on it, because there were a lot of red flags.
	I remember one night he, you know, we were drinking, and he showed me this book that he had actually, like, on an iPad that he had made, and it was like a collection of all of the women that he's ever been with.
	Wait, a book?
	Yeah, like.
	Wait.
	Oh, my God.
	Do you think you're in it now?
	Oh, she's all yeah, for sure.
	Wait, hold on.
	When you say page, like, 330.
	He's a serial cake finger dipper.
	When he showed you the book, is it just names?
	Was it photos?
	Names.
	Like messages between them.
	And what?
	What the fuck?
	What a profile.
	Like pictures, yeah.
	Narcissist, sociopathy.
	It was like insane.
	Wait, what are those books called where it's like a scrapbook?
	Scrapbook, scrapbook.
	This guy's fucking scrapbooking.
	Holy shit.
	Right.
	Wait, so.
	How many girls were in this shit?
	I mean.
	I mean, I saw at least like 10, but I mean, how people kept showing me.
	I was like, I don't want to see this anymore.
	Like, how thick was the book?
	Hold on.
	Can you get one of the George R.R. Martin fucking books?
	No, it was on an iPad.
	A song of it.
	Oh, okay, never mind.
	I mean, there were chapters.
	It was a Kindle?
	There was chapters?
	God damn.
	Yeah, he would give feedback on it.
	Like, he would write a bunch of things.
	How many chapters did you think?
	Honestly, yeah.
	Oh, my God.
	Wait, so this guy was telling you he wanted the future, he wanted kids even?
	Oh, yeah, definitely.
	And you had sex once.
	Yeah, and one of the weirdest things, like, looking back on it, he was like, you would look so sexy pregnant.
	And I'm like, that is just such a weird thing to say.
	I don't even, I'm, wow, that's crazy.
	Could this sex have been?
	Was a sex bad?
	No comments.
	Could there be chapters like bad, like just bad people?
	Nah, that seems weird.
	Yeah, it was like out of a movie on a half-black.
	There were weird people, like with just reviews, like Yelp reviews.
	Mind you, like in high school, I never dated or did anything like that.
	So I was very naive, and this was kind of like the first experience I had had with a man.
	Wait, were you a virgin?
	At the time, yeah.
	Wait, so that was your first time?
	Yeah, that's right.
	So he had the big book of virgins?
	Holy fuck.
	Maybe.
	I don't know.
	I mean, how old were you?
	Was his name Tristan Tate?
	Yeah, was his name Tristan Tate?
	Holy fuck.
	Wait, I'm going to send the asteroid on this one.
	Holy fuck, bro.
	This is.
	Wait, actually, you know what?
	I'm going to send the asteroid, but then I'm going to send the fucking new cold on.
	Oh, my God.
	But yeah, there were like older ones.
	By the way, has anybody been watching Fallout on Amazon?
	It's kind of fun.
	It's okay.
	Do you think afterwards he would just get like after sex with all these songs?
	He'd be like, to your diary today.
	Like, da-da-da-da.
	Today I took this girl's virginity.
	He just blocked her on everything and never talked to her again.
	I can't layers in like a whole layout of what happened.
	Like that's just so creepy.
	What's so sick?
	Wait a minute.
	Wait.
	Sounds like a lot of work.
	That sounds like a lot of work to like fuck once.
	Yeah, and throw it away.
	Like that's very meticulous.
	Did you use a condom?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Bro, imagine doing all this shit to fuck a girl once with a condom.
	Bro, what?
	Yo.
	Something, Brian, just want to watch the world burn.
	I mean, he just wanted to know that he just take this.
	Take the V and the virgins right in sight.
	It was more about like a taint, I would say.
	Shit.
	Maybe he's like a, like, his fetish is taking girls' virginities, and he just moves on.
	And he has a fucking book about it.
	That's kind of disgusting.
	That's kind of a dietary.
	He's forgiven.
	That's demonic.
	Dude, I feel like this is enough info for.
	Hold on, never mind.
	Never mind.
	This is kind of making my point, though, about the bakery.
	I'm just saying.
	Right, and so I wanted to bring up.
	Yeah, dude, that's that's brutal.
	She's ruined.
	I'm kidding.
	I'm sorry.
	No, but like.
	But like, bro, that's some baggage.
	Yeah.
	Is that some baggage or are you chill about it?
	Well, I wanted to bring up the point about like age-gap relationships because obviously that was a situation where I was taken advantage of.
	But you know, since meeting my boyfriend now, I've completely like changed my morals.
	And he like, can you let her finish?
	She's taken advantage of the whole time.
	Can she just finish?
	She was like half his age.
	Yeah, I'm just asking a question.
	That's all.
	Is that okay, Your Majesty?
	Is it okay for me to get some clarification?
	Is there anything else we can do for you?
	So anyway, so back to this, I was just wondering, for the purposes of clarification, what do you mean taken advantage of?
	Well, like, I went into it thinking that, you know, we were going to be together forever, obviously.
	So.
	Isn't that kind of fraudulent?
	Like, to be, like, basically, he put on to you that promised me like a whole thing was just a big kind of.
	It would have been harder to do to a 40-year-old woman.
	Yeah, but that's a good argument against voting rights, isn't it?
	So anyway, the question is: well, I mean, if a 18-year-old is too dumb to make relationship standards, why should she cancel out the 40-year-old vote?
	It makes no sense.
	Well, I have a question.
	Isn't it experienced?
	But that's the argument.
	That's the argument back.
	I'm not saying she's dumb, but what I am saying is that, no, he did come to her, let's not forget this part of the story, with a big book of I fucked her.
	And she was like, well, you did say there were red flags.
	You did say there were red flags.
	Because you said he.
	You're 20 or 19?
	You don't know what I'm saying?
	I was like, oh my God, that's so crazy.
	Bro, that's a.
	You got girlfriends, right?
	Like, that's half a red flags.
	Well, 40-something year old smart and 19-year-old anything.
	Well, you know.
	Then why should they cancel out their votes?
	I don't even think this is an age thing.
	I have a question.
	I don't even think it's an age thing.
	I think a guy her age would be just as capable of finessing her virginity.
	Like, guys her age do this shit all the time, too.
	But they don't have the financial means and all that stuff.
	They don't need them then.
	It would have been harder for them to do that.
	Yeah, but you could argue.
	They just go at it in a different way.
	Men can be more skilled as they get older if that's what they want to do.
	They've picked up a lot of tricks along the way.
	But there's plenty of 19, 20, 21-year-old fuckboys who are like hyper-attractive.
	I'm assuming this 40-year-old guy, despite his status and finances, I mean, probably guys your age are more physically attractive.
	Would you agree?
	Very attractive.
	Okay, all right.
	Well, he.
	All right, well, okay.
	Okay, so.
	I'm debunked.
	So he's a hot podiatrist with his eight-looks eye humper.
	And you're just like, okay, we're doing this.
	So your first, so this was kind of like your first encounter with a man, and he happened to be 40.
	And he was 40 years old and the age gap between that.
	So do you think that that made you put up a wall for your next relationship?
	I know that you're in an age gap relationship now, but did you, you know, kind of step back and think to yourself, like, oh, you know, a 40-year-old, my last relationship, he was 40 and it was age gap and this happened.
	Like, did you have, like, I don't know, kind of walls up to get into a new age gap relationship?
	100%.
	When my boyfriend first, you know, like, when he and I first started dating, he was like, obviously trying to, or well, he was telling me that he wanted a relationship with me and I was like very against that.
	And I really made him like prove himself to me.
	So.
	Huh.
	Interesting.
	Interesting.
	But yeah, I think that some of the positives from like an age gap relationship is that they can kind of guide you to making better decisions and like life choices.
	So I think that I take that with me and this new experience.
	Really quick going around the table.
	Your thoughts on age gap relationships for, against, neutral?
	What's the oldest guy you date, I guess?
	It's going to be the ick.
	I'm going to say against.
	You're against.
	Like, you wouldn't date a 39-year-old far-right extremist Christian nationalist.
	No.
	Sorry, 40?
	Is it important?
	40.
	40, my bad.
	You wouldn't date?
	Okay, just.
	Sorry, Andrew.
	In my experience, though, like with dating, or not dating, but like talking to younger guys, it's like they were only after one thing.
	And so obviously he was too, but I mean, they never even like mentioned like wanting a relationship or anything like that.
	So I didn't know any better.
	I've never experienced it myself, but I don't think that I'm for it.
	Sorry.
	What's the oldest guy you date for you two?
	I don't know if you answered, but at 19.
	Into the mic place quick.
	Probably 28.
	I'd say no more than 10 years.
	Okay.
	That's pretty decent.
	I'm 20, and honestly, I probably wouldn't go older than my brother, and he's 23.
	So I know that's, like, not a great—my parents are five years apart, and I know a lot of other people, but— I'd probably say, like, maybe, like, 10 or so years, so probably, like, 38 or something.
	Yeah, I kind of have this theory, and maybe it's just like, I don't know.
	But basically, I have this theory that if I'm always like younger than the guy I'm with, then I'll always be young and beautiful to him.
	I'm for it.
	I would say 10 years, but also as you get older, then you can have a larger and larger age gap, possibly.
	Right.
	I'm for it as long as the man going into it has honorable intentions.
	Okay, that's fair.
	I'm not against age gap relationships.
	Well, you're not against it, Andrew.
	Or the woman.
	I mean, we could have a situation where there's a woman with me still have not heard a good argument yet for the age gap relationship being problematic.
	If you consider women at 18, 19 to be adults, what could your argument possibly be from this adult dating another adult?
	I would love to know.
	Other than it gives me the ick.
	First of all, I never said that.
	Don't put words.
	I didn't say it did.
	I said other than that, because that's where it's going to go, I promise.
	That's not what I was going to say.
	I don't know what I'm doing.
	Because you can take advantage of it.
	Go ahead.
	Well, no, I just think you've experienced so much less of life.
	Like, isn't it pretty obvious that you wouldn't know as many things?
	You haven't been with as many partners.
	How in the world could you tie that into it being bad?
	Because you're just not at the same place in life.
	And as bad, do you mean immoral?
	No, I wasn't saying it was immoral.
	So it's not immoral.
	I never said it was, but I think it's.
	So it just gives you the ick.
	No, I was terrible.
	I was saying you're at different places in your life, so you're going to be fundamentally incompatible.
	If a person takes advantage of another person, is it immoral?
	Yes.
	Okay, so then if your argument is there's a potential here for a person to take advantage of you, but they may not, and you have no moral argument for it, then what could your objection possibly be other than yuck?
	I just told you because you're at different stages of your life and one person has learned less, they're more likely to be able to take advantage of it.
	Right, that's what I literally just said you would argue.
	So I literally just said the only argument that you could possibly have is that there's a potential.
	However, there's a potential for somebody your same age to take advantage of you too.
	That's true.
	So what?
	I never said I was against age gap relationships.
	You did.
	You said only 10 years.
	Why not 12?
	Why not 13?
	I think we all said like 10 years.
	Go on.
	Well, didn't you say yourself that it's unattractive for men to be with infertile-looking women?
	I'm sure that men's seed is getting worse as they're getting older.
	I'm fine.
	Andrew, can I ask you a question?
	Is it just the ick?
	No, it's because I have biological receptors in my brain that can sense a man's fertility, and it's going down.
	Would that still be the ick?
	So that would still be the ick if you're not making a moral argument.
	The ick is whatever you define it as.
	This could be the ick if you want it to be the ick.
	You see this cup?
	It could be the ick.
	It could be the ick.
	And inside that cup would be your logical arguments.
	Can you want to take a drink?
	Yeah, there you go.
	Now get up and bow him.
	Chug, chug, chug.
	Anyway, Andrew was the one with the beer.
	Oh, my question is, but like, and maybe I'm just misunderstanding a little bit.
	I don't think you object to her having a preference to date someone younger, right?
	That's just a question.
	I just want to know if there's an actual argument that you can come up with, which is moral for why you think it's a good idea.
	One person has more life experience.
	You just said it wasn't immoral five seconds ago.
	I feel like do you want to reconcile this at some point?
	It's not immoral.
	Take another drink of your logical cup there.
	Go ahead.
	Who said it's a cup?
	It's actually an ick.
	Well, then take a drink of your ick.
	What I was saying is that it's immoral if they do it, but you are preventing me from saying that it's immoral altogether because it's only a possibility.
	It's not guaranteed.
	So then it's not immoral.
	It's possibly immoral.
	We just found it out.
	So everything is possibly immoral from your standard.
	Yeah, so is premarital sex, possibly immoral.
	Yeah, I didn't ask you.
	There's a possibility of it being immoral.
	Rather, I asked you if it is immoral.
	It's not fundamentally immoral to date someone a different age than you.
	You're right.
	That's my whole point.
	The only objection you would have to it then would be that you have a preference against it.
	No, I would say that you're at different stages of life development.
	Your brain is less developed before you're 25, scientifically.
	First of all, that's not true.
	But second of all, yes, it's not true.
	It is true.
	Your brain fully is a frequency.
	You're taking two studies, which are taken out of context, but here's the counter-argument to that as well.
	Past 25, it begins to degrade.
	Yeah, that's right.
	That prefrontal cortex begins to degrade after 25.
	So if you were 40, wouldn't you have a more degraded prefrontal cortex?
	And so by this logic, wouldn't a man then at 40 also be right around the same maturity as a 20, 25 years ago?
	Your argument's wrong because we haven't calculated the rate of degradation as compared to strain before the full development.
	You don't have the stats for me right in front of us.
	Okay, wait a minute.
	Tell me the number.
	Tell me your study.
	I'm not showing me that it's 25 at all.
	What's it called?
	By who?
	Since you want to be hyper-specific.
	I don't, but I'm just using the same argument that you used on me over and over again.
	I don't know shit because I'm 19 and you're like, oh, I wonder.
	So it's my fault that you're stupid because you're 19?
	It's not your fault.
	No, I know it's not.
	I'm just 19.
	It's not my fault.
	Yeah, but theoretically, if there was a 40.
	I'm only 19.
	Schrodinger's feminist.
	I'm a badass empowered woman, but at the same time, at the same time, I'm a victim of the evil patriarchy.
	Is there any limit, though, to the age gap?
	Like, would you say that, like, I mean, I would get a 20-year-old man.
	I would get pretty grossed out.
	It's not clear, though, that I don't have a problem.
	We're talking about adult relationships here.
	We're talking about.
	No, I don't even want to entertain.
	I'm not going to be a 60 and 20.
	60 and 20.
	60-year-old lady and a 20.
	No, I'm saying a 60-year-old lady trying to date a 20-something-year-old guy.
	That's fine.
	Wait, what's if he's winning?
	Yeah, I can't think of a moral argument against it.
	Right, but it's ick, right?
	Like, you would find it.
	I don't know if you'd be grossed out by it.
	Sure.
	Right, but it's not like it's not immoral as in novels.
	I would never say that there's a problem with it.
	Okay, wait, couple more last few things on your thing, and then we're going to wrap up the show.
	You said some red flags.
	You mentioned there was the book, right?
	Right.
	You had the scrapbook with all the other girls he had carnal knowledge of.
	Did you get the impression that he dated those women long term?
	Or was there any inkling as to this guy was just running through chicks?
	Well, I thought that at the time I thought that they were like girlfriends that he had had for like a long time.
	So that's why he was kind of like holding on to memories, maybe.
	That's what I told myself.
	Did he show you photos of these girls?
	Yeah.
	Were there photos in the scrapbook?
	Were they mostly younger women?
	No, there was like older women.
	Older women.
	Some grandmas in there.
	Okay.
	I mean, like.
	Now, you and Faith over here are friends.
	Right.
	Apparently, Faith, you actually met this man, correct?
	Yeah, I did.
	You went to a concert.
	You met him one time?
	Yes, right?
	Yeah.
	You guys went to a concert together, and the whole time he was being really nice.
	But then once the concert was over, he got super quiet on the drive home and he flipped out on you about he didn't want to drive home and how we had been terrible to put up with the whole night.
	So he was just being weirdo in the car?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, but he was like very, very angry, like yelling, screaming.
	Yeah.
	I don't know.
	Were you guys being obnoxious?
	No, no.
	Like, I was like so shy.
	Like, I was just excited to see you.
	They don't seem that obnoxious.
	Yeah, I don't get that impression.
	So he brought a friend.
	Were you guys liquored up or no?
	No.
	Okay.
	He brought a male friend.
	Yeah, and he had kind of been like... Foot doctor.
	Huh?
	Was it the foot doctor too?
	I don't know.
	Anthologist.
	Yeah, maybe.
	But he was kind of like.
	I interpreted it as he was hitting on you the entire night.
	And so I think that maybe he might have been upset that what?
	Because I had a boyfriend at the time, too.
	So, obviously, like...
	So, yeah.
	I mean, his friend was actually very, very polite, very shy.
	So I didn't really like say anything because I just was like, okay, you know, I have a boyfriend, and this guy isn't addressing me or anything.
	So I'm not deliberately ignoring him or giving him the cold shoulder or trying to get it.
	I think that that was his intention with it, though.
	You said this guy was creepy?
	He was like creepy or whatever?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	His friend was like most of them.
	And he freaked out.
	Well, so like your impression, though, after having met him, was that the third date, second date?
	What date was that?
	Probably like third.
	Third.
	I mean, did you get any bad vibes from the guy?
	Yeah.
	Not the friend, though.
	No, no, no.
	Yeah, no, the guy that she was, yes.
	Awful.
	So, just so rude, so snappy.
	Like, his mood would change in a second.
	Just like total emotional whirlwind.
	He didn't want to have to, even though he said that he would drive me home and he offered.
	I was like, oh, no, I can have my boyfriend come pick me up or whatever.
	He was like, no, I want to drive you home.
	Then afterward, all of a sudden, when he was all wigging out, he's like, why don't I just like leave you right here on the San Francisco State Bridge and then your boyfriend can come get you?
	And I was like, and it was like one in the morning or something or 12 at night.
	And I was just like, I have barely said anything.
	I've been like so nice and like polite.
	Like, I don't know what your deal is.
	But when I saw that mood switch and how like obnoxious and snappy he was getting with me, I was like, oh, he obviously doesn't have respect for her because if he had respect for her and I genuinely, I'm very self-aware, I genuinely like was not being obnoxious or anything.
	And he can just flip on her like closest friend like that and doesn't care about her friend's opinion at all.
	That gives me a really, really bad lead.
	After this experience, did you advise your friend to say this guy's bad news?
	But at the end of the day, I can advise, but at the end of the day, it's her business, her life.
	Right.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	And you said, lastly, he took advantage of you because you're young, inexperienced, and in your words, not mine, pretty stupid.
	I don't think you're stupid.
	No.
	This is a pretty crazy scenario, Pierre.
	I don't know if there's any other details you want to share about this.
	No, I just want to make it clear that, like, even though my age-gapped relationship has worked out, I don't.
	Nick, we can't see her.
	No, it's not your fault.
	That's not typically what I go for or anything like that.
	It's just the men, the younger men I have like talked to throughout my life.
	All that they were after was sex.
	And so I feel like older men have been the only people that have taken me seriously in that regard.
	So you're saying younger men, that's they only want one thing in my experience.
	Yes.
	I could see that.
	You've had experience with that, Renee.
	Yeah, I'd say especially like you guys aren't from here, but in Isla Vista, it's definitely a big culture.
	Oh, yeah.
	I have a couple friends who go to UCB.
	Yeah.
	It's like, well, I was using dating apps a lot at the time, and so it's rare that you even will find a guy that is willing to take you on a date.
	He's just like, do you want to meet at my place?
	Come over.
	Seriously.
	I do want to say one thing, though, because I hear this fairly frequently from a lot of women.
	All men, they only want one thing.
	All men want is pussy.
	I have a quote from the late and great Patrice O'Neill.
	I think he said something along the lines of pussy is not all I want unless that's all you got.
	Wild.
	Poigney.
	That's not my position.
	Yo, wheelchair catholi, thank you for the gift of 20 memberships.
	I think it goes something like, pussy's not the only thing I want unless, well, okay, whatever.
	I would like to think I have a lot to offer.
	We can't.
	Okay.
	No, it's just we didn't see you when you said that.
	Oh, okay.
	You have a lot to offer?
	I would like to think so.
	What?
	I mean, I have like a career going for myself.
	Do you think men care about that?
	I think that men want a woman that's driven.
	Nope.
	Sorry.
	I'm not saying that you don't bring other things besides that, but I think one thing that sometimes women will do is they'll think about what they desire in a partner and make the false assumption that men desire those same exact traits that they find attractive in men.
	And so when it comes to your ambition, your success, your money, your career achievement, your educational achievement, I'm not saying that that's bad.
	If you want to pursue that, fantastic.
	But in terms of making yourself more appealing, it doesn't make you more attractive to men in the same way that a man who's, for example, has some sort of status or money or reputation when it comes to universal.
	I wasn't saying it's pretty more attractive.
	I was just saying I have more to offer than just my body.
	I think that everybody has something to offer.
	It's just in the other person to see the value.
	There are broke boys out there.
	There are broke boys out there who want a mother to provide.
	Well, the first thing you went to was, well, I think you said, what, your ambitious, your career or something?
	Right.
	And then also, I'm.
	I mean, I hate to break it to you.
	Men don't give a fuck.
	Well, generally speaking.
	Okay.
	But also, I feel like there are other things in a traditional relationship that the woman can bring to the table, like being nurturing, being a mother to you, things like that, stroking your man's ego.
	I think that that is also something that in today's age is kind of rare to find with the modern woman.
	And I'm just pushing back against this because, I mean, there's a biological basis for this, but just this is sort of a lie that feminists teach: yeah, men are really preoccupied with your educational achievement, your degrees, your money, your career achievement.
	Men, it's good.
	Look, if you have that stuff, it's good.
	But in terms of dating, it's not an attraction trigger.
	So you would want to be with a woman who's like a high school dropout?
	Why would that be a deal-breaker?
	Because I don't know.
	Let's just say something that doesn't have any goals.
	Why would that be?
	I mean, honestly, why would that be if she met the criteria?
	Because you don't care about the brains of your females.
	You guys just want subservient living spices.
	Men don't care.
	What I don't understand is her being a high school dropout mean that she's instantly going to not have a brain because you're going to college and you're dumb as fuck.
	Oh, Rosa.
	So I don't know why you would have to bring that up.
	I don't think.
	So I'm just asking, like, honestly, how would that be a disqualifier?
	She's not dumb.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	Yeah, I don't think we're nice.
	I think, though, that as a mother to a child, it's important to be educated so that you can.
	I'll actually engage you on this question, though.
	So, for example, I'm 34.
	I'll date, and I'm fairly successful.
	I will date a girl who works at Chick-fil-A.
	Don't give a fuck.
	She could.
	Most women graduate high school.
	So, I mean, I'll just say she's a college dropout.
	Don't care.
	I'll date a girl who works at Chick-fil-A.
	Aren't you bothered by her lack of work ethic to continue trying in college?
	I mean, that's just proving his point that men don't mind.
	He's probably happy that she works at Chick-fil-A so that she can bring him home free food and everything, you know?
	I think that also goes into the type of man that I'm wanting.
	You know, a high-value man, I think.
	You think a high-value.
	Here's what's funny.
	You want a high-value man?
	So, do you want a guy who's got status or wealth?
	Not necessarily wealth, but just has something going for himself.
	Well, okay, my argument here would be: the more successful a guy becomes, the more status he gets, the more money he gets, the less he cares about your money.
	Right, but those type of men want to be able to have an intellectual conversation.
	No, not really.
	But, okay, so hold on.
	No, no, no.
	Like, have a good girl.
	Well, here's the thing.
	I think that maybe don't speak for all men because there are exceptions to the rule on that.
	For example, my husband, he needs intellectual discussion and conversation.
	He's a philosopher.
	He has to have that.
	And so one of the things he valued with me was he could have those type of discussions and conversations with me.
	And it wasn't only just a looks thing.
	Like, he valued being able to have those discussions.
	Right.
	And my real romance is find out in real intimate ways.
	There's men out there who.
	You can't trust a woman who's dumb to resist children.
	Right.
	And also, my man wants a woman that's going to get him out of bed in the morning and push him to keep doing things.
	That has nothing to do with your academic or career achievement.
	No.
	You have to get up out of bed in the morning to do stuff.
	Like, you think the Chick-fil-A worker who's going in at four is going to be like, get up for your six hands?
	Shit.
	Hey, sweetie, here's your coffee.
	Like, no, she's going to be laying in bed.
	That's an example of what I was saying.
	I think why would you actually be laying in bed?
	Okay, maybe.
	I would actually argue, I think you're looking down upon fast food workers.
	These people work incredibly fucking hard.
	They're on their for eight, nine, ten hours a day.
	They're showing up on time every single day.
	No hate, but I mean working hard.
	I'm assuming.
	I actually would rack up.
	I think the women who work at a fast food restaurant have learned more valuable life lessons than some pampered fucking college chick for sure.
	A lot of these college chicks, their daddy, whatever their parents pay for everything.
	They've never even really worked a job.
	Yeah.
	I'll take the girl who's actually worked in a fast food environment over the girl who's never worked, who's gotten a college education.
	I take that, and I respect fast food workers.
	No, but my point was, I was assuming this is someone who's like your age and working at Chick-fil-A, and she's planning on working at Chick-fil-A for like the rest of her life.
	Well, I think that's kind of crazy.
	No, I think what a lot of people, a lot of the men.
	They don't want if she likes Chick-fil-A.
	Listen, they don't care about the women's career as much because they're thinking more along the lines of they would prefer their wives to be wives and mothers of children.
	And I think a lot of men that actually have the ability to, they prefer for their women to be able to stay at home and raise children.
	Yeah.
	You have to take into account, though, also his age.
	I mean, he's obviously way more experienced than I am.
	And so he's had that where, you know, they maybe weren't as driven.
	And so, you know, he's told me firsthand that this is something that he wants.
	For you to be driven?
	For his partner to be.
	But you're dating him, right?
	So he sees, are you saying he sees that?
	He's talking about, well, when we were first dating, he obviously we went over what we want in a partner.
	But okay, hold on.
	Now, now you have to look at men's motivation.
	And the reality is, is that.
	I mean, he still tells me that to this day, though.
	Oh, right.
	Okay.
	Men, look, if a guy, look, there are some men who I suppose genuinely will care about your career or whatever, educational achievement, whatever.
	You also have to understand, if a guy, if you care about that, and the guy's like, I don't give a fuck about it, you're probably going to be like, I don't want to date this guy.
	So a lot of men are going to play the game.
	Like, let me ask you, be honest, ladies.
	Do men lie to get pussy?
	Yes, it does.
	Yeah.
	Would it be in a man's best interest to be like, Renee, I fucking love that you're going after your diploma.
	You're so smart.
	And, you know, I really, I'm impressed.
	I think it's sexy.
	I think it's so sexy that you're, you know, you're going after this.
	And, you know, I want to support you.
	And I'm not doing a great job at this.
	But, bro, they're going to, like, that's what guys do.
	And they're going to gas you up and they're going to tell you shit like that.
	But like, deep down, I would argue most men, most men prioritize, it's very low on the totem pole.
	Most men are going to prioritize other things in terms of what they find attractive in women.
	Like what?
	Well, men want support.
	Someone to cook for them.
	I'm like, I'm going to be sandwiches.
	How are you going to sandwiches and beverages?
	Being submissive, bringing a man peace, not being quarrelsome.
	Making his food.
	That's a good stuff.
	Very simple.
	Being a simple.
	Yeah, but she's 19, so the men that she's interacted with are very different than the men.
	Like, she's 19, so the men that she's interacted with and had, like, you know, relationships with or whatever is very different from the men that you made already.
	Hold on.
	But the men her age care even less about it.
	No, that's Cap.
	That's Cap because some of them are no, they're going to grow up poor.
	You think they're not going to be able to get it?
	Think frat boys or fucking party fuckboys in Isla Vista, give a fuck about what you're doing with your do that?
	You think they care if you're a bio major versus a comm major, they don't give a fuck.
	Well, it might be that some of the guys that don't that are not high earners, do you know?
	I was just gonna like financial.
	Are you attracted to those men?
	Is the question to non-high earners.
	Well yeah, if you're in the past, maybe he's cute, but like you're, you're also.
	You're 19 right, you're in college.
	Your earning potential is so delayed that it's even irrelevant.
	Now, what these, these?
	They still think about it.
	We definitely still talk about really, the 20 year old guys are like five years down the road.
	She's gonna be providing for me like really, like these, most of these dudes are temporary, let's be honest yeah, but I mean, I don't know.
	Most of these college relationships are fucking.
	I will say that.
	You know my husband frequently talks to me, being like, when are you gonna be done with your bachelor's?
	When are you gonna be done with your bachelor's?
	I'm so tired of watching you get stressed.
	I just want you to stay home all day and do what you love, cook, hang out, you know, hang out with the cat like he genuinely.
	And he was so much more excited when I got my job at the grocery store than he was when I brought home my 4.whate GPA for the whatever time this last semester and honestly like, if you, if you, if you really want to just be able to hook a guy, like be good at making food, I promise you my husband's an EMT when he's working his life, only 20 I was you can't be interested in that.
	Oh no, I make a mean pasta.
	I was good at cooking and I still got cheated on also on the on the whole like high value thing.
	So the more money a guy makes, the less he's going to care about your money.
	Because Millie, you made a good point.
	Well, you know it.
	Look, there is an economic reality here that for most households there's gonna, it's gonna have to be a two, two income household to support a family.
	That's just the economic reality of today.
	So you know, the average man it might be more part of the calculus, but the reality is like that average man when it comes to the optimum in terms of what he finds attractive in women.
	There might be economic realities, but in terms of strictly dating and what men find attractive.
	Like it's really not like he's gonna if he has to pick between like the girl who's got a better personality and more physically attractive, but she's not.
	If the here's two scenarios, she's 30 years old, she's an attorney she's a bit disagreeable because she's an attorney uh, but she makes really good money versus dating a 22 year old who works at Chick-fil-a and she's one two, three points more attractive than the attorney chick.
	Most guys, even if he's not a high earner, want that uh, Chick-fil-a chick for sure.
	I mean why, why can't you have both though?
	What do you think you can raise the kids?
	Huh, what do you mean if you have, if you're as ambitious to go after a career and if you're saying, like he's high value well, I mean, who would raise your kids?
	Yeah we, I would, but I mean we're, we want kids.
	Further down the line, I don't plan on having children until i'm at least 35.
	so then would well you would have a geriatric pregnancy and that would not be like the best situation i could freeze my no need to hate my mom had me at 42.
	I mean suboptimal mom's a legend.
	I would rub my mom having a little bit of a talk about how you want to unalive yourself.
	So yeah, all that work.
	God, how dare.
	I would rather be in a position where I could comfortably provide for my child and not have to rely on my man to carry the weight.
	You know I mean, but what if he would want to?
	Yeah, what if he leaves?
	Right, exactly what if he cute, if he leaves and you guys are married?
	She would be in a position where she would actually be supported through alimony and through child support.
	Yeah, sometimes they don't pay child support.
	I think that courts are.
	I think there's a valid thing here.
	Like, I think a lot of the reason why you see so many women adamant about having careers is the fear that what if the man leaves?
	They don't want to be on welfare.
	They don't want to.
	No, no, no, no.
	Initiate most divorces, though.
	Okay, but I'm saying a lot of women think about they initiate divorces because the men treat them worse.
	What if they're abusive?
	That's not what they're reacting to.
	Those aren't the figures that represent the majority of divorces.
	Most women aren't divorcing anything.
	It's not terrible differences.
	It's because of cheating.
	A lot of women.
	You can find them on Pew Research.
	In fact, Ryan can pull them up.
	I just think it's smart to have a backup plan.
	That's crazy.
	But couldn't you also have a backup plan?
	Like, let's say you had kids younger.
	Couldn't you also go into the job market once your kids are older?
	And you'd still be burnt out by then.
	I won't have the energy that I needed.
	You just, I don't know.
	You won't have the energy.
	Just, you know, as some fatherly advice here, I think 35 is a bit, you know, maybe like mid to late 20s is when you should start pumping them out.
	At least 30.
	32, maybe.
	I regret having kids as old as I did.
	How many kids do you want?
	At most two.
	But I mean, every person that I've talked to that has had kids in their 20s says that they wish that they would have waited.
	I had kids in my 20s.
	I wish I would have had kids younger because I would have been able to have more.
	And now I, like, right now, I would love to have another kid, but I feel like that would be more selfish for me because I would be potentially now compromising the viability of my child.
	The other value to it is that when they're old enough and move out, you're still fairly young.
	You're still fairly young enough to chase after your grandkids and do all that kind of stuff.
	Yeah, I mean, my parents had me when they were 40, and they're still yeah, look, you can have kids when you're older.
	Guys, it is getting late.
	I do have to wrap things up here.
	Let me read these chats and then we're going to wrap up.
	Okay.
	Renee, you've got a lovely speaking voice.
	Let me have you read these for me.
	All right.
	One more to say this.
	Feminist is definitely an idiot and no one listens to apology after a hashtag me too.
	The guy's life can be completely destroyed.
	He wants to destroy his channel just to see some nip.
	Question mark exclamation point.
	Idiot.
	I feel like you read that well.
	Thank you.
	Okay.
	Evil world body cam.
	Say thank you, man.
	Appreciate it.
	Go ahead, Renee.
	I don't know why people are shocked about the man ghosting.
	Women ghost guys all the time for bullshit reasons and no one complains.
	That's true.
	Maybe he quote got the ick, like you women like to say.
	No one took advantage here.
	I don't think the guy, I mean, we don't know his side of the story, right?
	But given what she said, I don't think this guy was conducting himself honorably.
	Yeah, let's say I think I don't know.
	I mean, also, bro, it's like that's I'll play the sound again.
	I don't know, man.
	That sounds like a lot of work.
	Oh, that's a lot of work to like.
	How did he finish quickly?
	I'm not answering that.
	Because, like, bro, what?
	Okay, let's just say, like, the sex was 15 minutes.
	That's, bro, you're going to put in three months of work for 15 minutes of pleasure.
	Hello?
	Sustainability to know that he can.
	Maybe it was worth it.
	Okay, sure.
	It was a conquest.
	Still, though.
	I mean, my con, like, my.
	I mean, it's the ego.
	My conquest patience.
	Like, I'll give it, you know, okay, never mind.
	Anyways.
	All right.
	That's in the big book.
	I mean, got to fill up the book.
	Got to fill up the book.
	It's like having a gun safe with empty spots, right?
	We have Daniel W. Monore.
	Oh, Renee, can we?
	Can we have you read this?
	Modern age women lack accountability far more than men.
	Look at divorce.
	Women will divorce over the most arbitrary reasons.
	Abuse is rare.
	Incentivized by corrupt family court systems that are relatively new.
	Child support is not, quote, child support.
	Andrew?
	Brian?
	Panel?
	Yeah.
	Well, I mean.
	Child support is.
	Well, I mean, there's child support that exceeds the amount of the minimum amount of money that is necessary to support a child.
	And then you'll see scenarios where, for example, if the man's a high earner, the woman, there's nothing like, you know, with food stamps, you have to, like the money the government gives you, you have to spend it on food.
	But a woman, if you're paying her child support and the child's needs are met by, say, $300, but the child supports $1,000 a month, well, she's going to go ahead and spend that money on, you know, conceivably, she's going to go get her nails done, get her hair done.
	That's not child support.
	So actually, this is a men's rights position in the same way that with like SNAP EBT, food stamps, whatever, you have to spend on food and they track it and you get given the card.
	I think with child support, you should be given a card that the expenses have to be used on children.
	I think that seems fair.
	And also, there should be some sort of cap.
	I think child support shouldn't be based on income.
	I don't think that's a controversial take.
	Kanye Wesbury.
	I don't think any women would be like, yeah, women should be spending their welfare checks or like child support on their nails.
	I have seen a couple of people.
	There is women like, yeah, but I don't think so.
	But it's the exception.
	But no one believes that.
	I don't think anyone thinks that's a problem.
	I think the problem is more that the Trep children aren't being supported.
	We have Daniel W. Equality comes from the unique differences between men and women, radical individualism, and removing shame.
	Social stigma has been catastrophic for the West.
	Support and praise a divorced woman rather than shame them of the abuse they cause to their children.
	Me Too movement.
	Question mark.
	Well, yeah, there's definitely no social stigma or shame associated with divorce really anymore.
	So that's probably another reason why divorce rates are very high.
	Because it's basically valueless to a secularist.
	Right, exactly.
	I don't think anyone here talked about praising women for divorce.
	Like literally nobody.
	There's no praise.
	There's no shame anymore.
	Like it used to be shameful to be divorced, but there's no shame.
	Radikowski is trying to make it chic.
	Yeah.
	Oh my gosh.
	I was thinking the same thing.
	Good point.
	Okay.
	Guys, this is our longest show ever.
	We broke the fucking eight-hour stream mark.
	God damn.
	There was just a lot of conversation.
	It was great.
	We're going to.
	Let me do my outro here.
	I'm trying to think if there's.
	Oh, sorry.
	Okay.
	Last thing.
	Really quick.
	I'm just going to.
	How close are you going to your numbers?
	Well, we'll check that in just a sec.
	Last thing, really quick.
	We always do this question.
	So body count.
	Does body count matter?
	Does body count matter?
	How about this?
	Do you object to men caring about a woman's body count?
	Okay.
	No, they're allowed to care, but they have to hold themselves to a similar standard.
	Okay.
	Yeah, I guess just don't be a hypocrite about it.
	Everybody has a preference.
	Sorry, can you repeat the question?
	Like, I know it's about body count, but I can't remember how you phrased it.
	Do you object to men caring about a woman's body count?
	No, not necessarily.
	No, I agree with Renee.
	I think men should have men have the right to care about that Absolutely.
	Yeah.
	No.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	final thing what's your this is the segment called what's your body count Decline of State.
	Wait.
	You want to give a range?
	No.
	Personally, after everything I've heard in the show, I don't want to be called a cake.
	No one's going to call you a cake.
	No cakes.
	No one will call you a cake.
	Well, she declined to answer.
	She declined to answer, innit?
	Do you want to do a below X?
	I don't think I want to share publicly.
	I'm sorry.
	Rule number 76.
	No excuses.
	Play with a champion.
	Okay, less than 10.
	Less than 10.
	There you go.
	Go meet.
	Okay.
	Wait, okay.
	So, okay, it could be zero.
	All right.
	Yeah, I prefer not to stay.
	Anybody going to have some kahones?
	Anybody going to have some kanones and answer the question?
	What about you?
	You can answer?
	I feel like mine's like a lot lower than people think because I was a sex worker.
	What is it?
	I mean, it's still pretty high, but like 21.
	Okay, thank you.
	I appreciate you.
	Thank you for sharing.
	No, no shit.
	I know a guy with 23 and he wasn't even a sex worker.
	I know.
	I'm honestly doing better than most civilians.
	I got to keep my celibacy.
	That's a conversation for me and my future spouse.
	Yeah, it's between my husband and I, but it is in the single digits.
	right i mean this is one of the things where like i've so i've been in a relationship for 12 years with the same guy i got with him when i was 20.
	right so So I guess I'll put that out there.
	But like they're all saying, my husband knows, and that's all it needs to know.
	Yeah, I'm not answering.
	I'm in the middle.
	I'm not answering.
	Not answering.
	Gustava?
	Sandro.
	He's a virgin.
	Well, I credit you for being the one person who's willing to answer the question.
	Yes.
	That's awesome.
	Thank you.
	Whatever your numbers are, though.
	Multiply it by three, and that's the real number.
	Okay.
	Okay, your turn.
	Oh, you guys won't share.
	There's no way I'm sharing.
	Oh, she shared one of them.
	Oh, wait.
	Last time one of us answered a question like that, you refused to answer it when it was supposed back to you, remember?
	But he's the one asking the question.
	Yeah, I know, but last time you asked the question, I answered, and then you refused to answer.
	You don't want to answer the questions that you ask.
	Okay, but that's the same standard that you just had for us.
	So you don't want to answer it either, I'm guessing.
	Okay.
	Why would I?
	Okay, I will answer it for you if you will then go back and rate your husband like you promised me you were going to do earlier and then he refused to answer.
	I never promised I was going to rate it.
	Right.
	So, I mean, if you're the hypocrite.
	You still blame the guy for ghosting.
	It's never the woman's fault.
	Also, what's feminists' obsession with talking about a quote a man's ego and what a quote real man is?
	Oh, something shit, unfortunately.
	Yeah.
	A podcast where they're talking about what it means to be a man and a woman.
	I don't understand.
	I don't know what their obsession is with talking about a man's ego and what a real man is.
	I don't even know if that's the only thing that's going to happen.
	Yeah, I don't know if it came up tonight, but Evil World body cams.
	I appreciate all your patronage tonight.
	Thank you for all the messages.
	really appreciate it guys um all right let's do the one sec guys okay Okay.
	We are going to, oh, bedtime.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	Let's see.
	We are going to do a Twitch raid, Nick.
	You're able to pull up our favorite grandma.
	We are going to raid.
	Let's see.
	Her name is Woe.
	Wow.
	Grandma, 78.
	She's playing World of Warcraft on Twitch.
	And Nick, if you're able to get that up, go full screen.
	Can you go full screen?
	I endorse this.
	This is crazy.
	All right, guys.
	So, guys.
	She's on World of Warcraft.
	Her name is, we're going to raid on those of you on Twitch.
	Wo, Grandma, 78.
	She's 82.
	She plays World of Warcraft.
	Tell her she should come on the podcast.
	Guys, like I said, I always say, be nice to her.
	You know, be nice.
	If I hear you're being dickheads, I'm going to ban you from my Twitch chat.
	Actually, really quick before we do the raid, let me just do part of my outro here for those of you on Twitch.
	GG, well played to the panel.
	Last call, hit the like button, please, on your way out.
	Well, I suppose that's for our YouTube viewers.
	Thank you for tuning in tonight.
	You could have been anywhere in the world, but you're here with me.
	I appreciate that.
	Thank you to everyone who super chats, donates, and supports the show.
	We will be live again Tuesday at 5 p.m. Pacific.
	Got a very good show coming up.
	Any girls who want to be on the show, DM out whatever on Instagram if you can make it to Santa Barbara.
	07's in the chat.
	Over there on Twitch, Nick, if you can pull it up.
	Okay, there's my band-aids.
	All right.
	So guys, we're going to raid her.
	Be nice in the chat.
	She's got about 200 viewers right now.
	I like to raid some smaller Twitch streamers.
	So she's the homie.
	She's the OG.
	She's a fucking legend.
	So I'm going to send the raid over now.
	Thank you guys for watching on Twitch.
	Hope you guys have a good night.
	Thank you guys, Twitch viewers.
	And that should be.
	Sorry, guys, that's going down in like just a few seconds.
	All right.
	She's got a dude.
	She's got a dope computer set up there.
	Damn.
	Solid streaming setup.
	She's a 20% off G-Fuel code.
	Better than us.
	Oh, my God.
	All right.
	The raid should have gone through.
	It should be going through right now.
	Let's see.
	Does it go through?
	A little wholesome moment here at the end.
	Is it going through?
	Is it going?
	I think she's got a stream delay here.
	Thank you for the following.
	We have a raid.
	Is it going through?
	Did we have a raid?
	That's funny.
	She's eating Fig Newtons.
	What?
	She's eating Fig Newtons.
	She's eating Fig Newtons?
	She's got to be eating Fig Newtons.
	Is it whatever again?
	Hello there.
	She can't hear us.
	Welcome again.
	Hello, whatever.
	Welcome again.
	Yo, thank you.
	Thank you.
	All right.
	I don't think there's an alert, but anyways.
	Thank you, everybody.
	Anyways, that's it.
	Okay.
	You can pause, Nick.
	All right.
	That's all good there.
	We raided her.
	A little wholesome moment there at the end of the stream.
	Go subscribe, please, to Andrew's YouTube channel.
	Also, I forgot to do our Twitch.
	Shit, I should have done the last Twitch call out before I raided.
	Oh, well.
	Oh, well, it's okay.
	Pull up the Twitch really quick.
	Go subscribe to The Crucible, Andrew's channel.
	Pull up our Twitch.
	I should have done this.
	My bad.
	Guys, if you're still over there on Twitch.
	Oh, wait, what?
	They're still like, ha ha, there's, wait, what happened?
	I don't know.
	Drop us a follow in a Prime sub if you're over there on Twitch.
	And then go subscribe to our Clips channel.
	Did you refresh it?
	Can you do?
	It's not.
	Okay, put it on popular.
	Okay, well, guys, go subscribe to our Clips channel.
	We'll obviously be there by Tuesday for our next stream.
	We're trying to hit the 1 million subscriber milestone.
	Okay, guys, this was our longest stream ever.
	New record.
	Holy crap.
	Thank you guys.
	07's in the chat.
	Thank you for tuning in.
	Good night, guys.

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