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Andrew Wilson vs. ULTRA Feminists?! (HEATED) MAGA Girls?! VlRGlN?! NEAR KICK?! | Dating Talk #151

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	My name is Luce.
	I'm 20 years old.
	I am located based in Los Angeles.
	I'm a fitness model and a student.
	Where do you study?
	UC Santa Barbara.
	And what's your major?
	Biological anthropology.
	Okay.
	I detect a bit of an accent.
	Are you from somewhere?
	No.
	No?
	Oh, okay.
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	My name is Northy.
	I'm 24, and I do a lot of content creation, varying from YouTube.
	I have a YouTube channel called Hard Ones.
	I stream on Twitch.
	I post on TikTok, Instagram, and I have an OnlyFans and Patreon.
	Did you say where you're from?
	Oh, I am from DC.
	Okay.
	Hi, my name's Kenna.
	I'm from Northern California, and I live in LA now.
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	I'm studying a business right now, and I'm a server.
	Did you say I missed your age because of the raid?
	I'm 21.
	21.
	All right.
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	Hi, my name's Arya Riley.
	Oh my god, these guys really don't want to let you guys introduce yourselves.
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	Hey, guys, my name's Arya Riley.
	I live in Las Vegas.
	I am a spiritual healer and advisor, a former exotic dancer.
	What?
	Wait, what's a spiritual healer?
	So I do Reiki.
	I also do tarot card readings.
	Reiki?
	Reiki.
	Is that like the chakra shit?
	Kinda, yeah.
	But it's more so of like emotional release.
	So when you go through trauma or anything bad in life and you don't release it in the right way, that's how you start getting sick and it starts affecting your organs.
	And Reiki?
	Reiki.
	Reiki.
	It heals that or helps it.
	Well, more so, it helps you.
	I'm basically pushing the energy through like different energy points in your body and it's helping you to release it.
	Because people can choose not to let go.
	What do you say to somebody who calls that pseudoscience?
	If you don't believe in it, you don't believe in it.
	It is what it is.
	To be cliche.
	But yeah.
	I'm not saying that's my position necessarily.
	But what would you say to somebody whose position that was?
	No, that's what I would say.
	Like if you don't believe in it, I'm not going to be like, hey, come try it because it'll never work.
	You need to believe in it, in it, in order for it to work?
	Yeah.
	That seems a little flimsy, doesn't it?
	I mean, it's the same thing with like tarot card readings.
	Like if you come in it with like a closed mind, I'm not going to be able to like read for you.
	Well, if I go to the doctor and they give me morphine, whether I believe in it or not, it works.
	Well, not everybody believes in spirituality, you know?
	Okay.
	Age?
	I don't tell people how old I am.
	Why?
	I like to be mysterious.
	Okay, we're not going to do that on the show.
	What's your age?
	Oh, I mean, respectfully, I just don't share that.
	Why?
	I like to be mysterious.
	We don't like mystery here at the Whatever Podcast.
	We like transparency and forthcomingness, and we hope people can engage in good faith with the conversation.
	I'm very authentic, and I'm always true.
	Look, there's nothing preventing me from you lying about your age if you'd rather lie about it.
	That's true.
	I'm not going to lie.
	Okay, so why don't you tell us the truth and just say what your age is?
	I don't want to.
	So if you're unwilling to just share a very basic biographical piece of information about yourself, how can I expect to engage with you in good faith in any other conversation that we're going to have?
	You can engage with me with whatever else, but with me, that's a certain boundary.
	You have a boundary about sharing your age.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Is it.
	And it's okay.
	Andrew.
	Andrew, what do you think?
	Andrew, what do you think about this?
	Well, I've got my tarot cards over here, and I'm flipping them over.
	I've got your age pegged at 28.
	Am I way off?
	Um, you're wrong.
	We'll leave it at that.
	Okay.
	Is it 30?
	It's an age.
	Yeah, that's an age, but I mean, you don't want to tell us at all?
	Yeah, I just said that.
	A couple times.
	Yeah.
	I mean, I don't know.
	It seems like, I don't know.
	It seems like you don't want to be don't want to be honest with us.
	That's all.
	I'm a very honest person, and I'm honest about the fact that I don't share my age.
	Why?
	It's part of my mystery.
	It's part of my appeal.
	You're not.
	It's part of your appeal.
	Yeah.
	This would occur to me, like if you were on a date with somebody, would you not even reveal your age?
	No, I don't.
	Wow, that seems a little shifty.
	Call it what you may, but even on dates, I don't tell them.
	I've had guys go through like certain lengths to like try to grab my license and be like, what is your age?
	Like, if we're dating longer, and like, the only thing that I could see coming up is if you think that I'm underage, and that would be a problem.
	But if we're going to a bar and I'm able to drink, you know that I'm over 21, or if we're dating for a long period of time and you're like, hey, I want kids, maybe I should know what your age is.
	Then, okay, then it's going to come up.
	But I don't share it just like off the bat.
	And like, certainly not.
	Why don't you share it off the bat?
	Because it is a part of my mystery.
	What does that mean for something to be part of your mystery?
	I don't think that's a good idea.
	Don't like dating profiles have a spot where you have to put your age in there?
	What do you put in there?
	You can actually like hide it on certain like dating profiles.
	Yeah, do you have your age hidden on all of your dating profiles?
	I only have one and yes.
	I have a question.
	So I have a question.
	Oh, go ahead, Andrew.
	Go ahead.
	Well, the reason I'm curious is you must be on a dating app or two that you can't hide your age on.
	You can't hide it on all of them, right?
	No, so I'm only on one date.
	So do you put something in there that is not true?
	No, I just hide the age.
	You just hide it?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	I have a question for you.
	Um, you know, I, I sometimes have a reputation for not having a lot of patience, but today my patience is especially, uh, what's the best word to, uh, thin.
	Sure.
	If the choice, where did you drive from?
	Flew.
	You flew here?
	Okay.
	If the choice is between revealing your age and me kicking you off the show right now, which do you choose?
	Would you kick me off the show?
	I'm considering it.
	I'm contemplating it.
	It's not insane because you've been invited on the show in good faith.
	I don't know any legitimate reason why you would refuse to answer the age question.
	You could just lie.
	If it's like, just lie about your age.
	If you want me to lie, I will.
	I'll straight up say, hey, I'm lying about it.
	But that's being honest.
	And then if I don't, like if I go on dates and I'm telling you I don't share my age, you're asking me to share that information with whoever's watching this, with your 5 million followers.
	And?
	That's why.
	What's wild?
	Why?
	That's why.
	You don't want to share it.
	Like, are you concerned about like doxin?
	Is that it?
	What's that?
	Well, no, actually, that's not.
	You've already stated that it's because you want to have this mystery.
	Well, I don't find that good enough pretext for refusal to share your age.
	Oh.
	Well, I mean, different morals for different people.
	It's a moral or an ethic to refuse to share your age?
	Yeah, if it's important to me, I don't understand why you're not respecting that.
	Because it's absurd.
	Oh.
	Why aren't you respecting my podcast by just being a good sport in good faith and just answering the age question?
	I'm 22.
	That's a lie.
	How do you want me to make you happy?
	All right, whatever.
	Moving on.
	What about you?
	I'm Carly.
	I'm 23, and I'm a barista.
	All right.
	I'm Nicole.
	I'm 30.
	I'm a freelancer and artist.
	Thank you for sharing your age.
	Appreciate it.
	I'm Caroline, and I'm from Virginia.
	I'm 25, and I'm a professional nanny.
	Thank you for sharing your age.
	Appreciate it.
	Go ahead, Isabel.
	I am Isabelle Brown.
	I'm an independent content creator.
	We do a live stream every day, and I'm also an author traveling the whole country for my new book, The End of the Alphabet, right now.
	Really excited about the opportunity to be back on the show and hopeful for a great conversation tonight.
	Welcome back.
	Sorry, your age?
	Oh, 26.
	I'm 26.
	I'll be 27 next month.
	All right, thank you.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	Well, just because I'm not really inclined to entertain this whole thing, when you messaged us, you indicated you were 29 in your casting questions.
	Okay.
	Was that true or did you lie?
	Because if you did lie, if you did lie about that, then you have no problem lying about your age, right?
	I lied about it.
	It's not to make it a big deal.
	Yeah.
	Chad, how old do you think she is?
	Oh, I love this game.
	We'll leave it to chat.
	Okay.
	Super bad faith, but all right, going around the table, what is your current, oh, actually, sorry, Andrew, can we have you introduce yourself?
	Yeah, my name is Andrew Wilson, host of The Crucible.
	It's one of the fastest-growing debate channels, if not the fastest-growing debate channel on the internet.
	Pop onto the whatever podcast from time to time when Brian invites me.
	Thank you for inviting me, Brian.
	Thank you for coming, man.
	Good to have you back.
	Okay, so we're going to go around the table once more.
	What is everybody's current relationship status?
	So, are you single, talking stage, situationship, friends with benefits, relationship, married, polycule, sex cult, whatever it may be?
	Yeah, there's a lot.
	If you're single, how long have you been single?
	And what's the longest relationship you've ever been in, starting with you?
	Go ahead.
	Single, maybe kind of talking stage.
	I'm a few months single, and the longest relationship I've ever been in was three and a half years.
	Three and a half years, a few months single, so three, four months single?
	Two to three months single.
	Okay, and you said you're currently in a talking stage.
	How long has that been going on?
	A few weeks.
	A few weeks?
	Okay.
	What about you?
	I am single.
	My longest relationship was two years.
	I've only ever had one relationship in my life, and that ended in August of 2023.
	Sorry, you said you've been single for how long?
	Since August of 2023.
	Okay.
	Got it.
	What about you?
	I am currently in a relationship.
	How long have you been in the relationship?
	Since November.
	It's like five months.
	Relationship since.
	Yeah.
	Longest relationship?
	Two and a half years.
	All right.
	Single in the talking stage.
	I think I've been single for like a year and a half.
	But you're currently in the talking stage.
	Yeah.
	How long has that been?
	About two months.
	Longest relationship?
	Three and a half years.
	All right.
	What about you?
	I'm single.
	I've been single for probably like six months.
	My longest relationship, probably like a year and a half.
	Okay.
	Single.
	Grid one Motorsports donated $200.
	B. If she cannot be genuine about her age, what views is she?
	Get rid of her now.
	Save us the nonsense she is sure to spew.
	And yes, I spent 200 bucks to make you go away rather than entertain her lunacy.
	Yay, money.
	I mean, we kind of already addressed it.
	Just I appreciate your message, Grid One Motorsports.
	It's just kind of peculiar because it's like, if you don't share your age, because I mean, we can make assessments in terms of directing the flow of the conversation.
	Well, okay, if she's 21, then maybe she's just had the dating experience of being in college, but maybe if she's 30, then she's had more dating experience, and then I can cater my questions a little more accurately based on that.
	But if you just say, well, it's a mystery, well, it makes it a little harder for me to engage with you in good faith in terms of trying to reel you into the conversation, trying to ask you perhaps specific questions that could be related to your age.
	I'm so glad I'm not dating donated $200.
	LOL won't share her age.
	Whilst in the meantime, showing off 96.8% of her saggy fun bags to all of Brian's 5 million subs.
	Is that planters?
	Cause I smell peanut brain.
	Here we go again.
	Well, I do want to say this to you.
	I didn't realize that it would be such a big deal.
	Like, I'm not doing it to be disrespectful.
	It's just, I mean, honestly, that's just how I go about my life.
	You said you do OF, correct?
	Do you post nude content?
	Yeah.
	So you refuse to share your age, but I mean, you're posting nude content.
	You're talking about mystery, but you're not leaving much mystery, it occurs to me.
	Like, how do you reconcile your desire to have mystery about yourself?
	You won't even share biographical information, but there's like literally nude content of you online.
	To me, that seems a bit contradictory.
	Do you understand?
	I guess so.
	I guess I've never really thought about it, to be honest.
	I just don't want to relate the two.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	You have perhaps another coven of witches who is casting spells against you, and you're concerned if you release what your age is, that they could then use that to target you.
	Is it like a witch protection program?
	A witch protection program.
	I think.
	Sorry, go ahead.
	I just think there's no rhyme or reason to why she didn't choose to share her age.
	But I think you've expressed that it wasn't particularly logical per se to not share your age if there's other confounds in her life that maybe aren't alluding to mystery.
	But I think the reason you take it so personally is because you just don't want a woman to tell you no to a piece of information about herself.
	Like I agree, I would share my age, but I think why are you guys so upset about her not sharing her age?
	I just don't really care.
	Well, how did you arrive at the conclusion that the reason I'm a bit flustered by this is because I'm upset that specifically a woman, you use gendered words there.
	Like you, are you asserting that if a man refused to do this, that I wouldn't also be equally like, yo, what the fuck?
	You asked to come be on a podcast.
	It's basic bio information.
	Like her gender is totally irrelevant.
	But please articulate how you arrived at that conclusion.
	I just think it's just you're clearly targeting other aspects of her life that are more effeminate things, such as being naked on the internet.
	How is that a feminine thing?
	Well, not a feminine thing.
	It's neither masculine nor feminine.
	No, effeminate in the sense of women are typically targeted in certain not targeted, but in certain age brackets.
	Age is a more stigmatized thing for women.
	I think if it was a man on the podcast here, someone wouldn't comment, oh, well, gee, she looks 30 and this.
	Like, I think age is a more sensitive topic for women.
	I don't agree with not sharing that piece of information personally, but I think the taboo-ness of your age in an industry such as she does, like OnlyFans, you might want to be private about your age in order to acquire more wealth and consumers and that sort of thing.
	So fraud.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	I think that.
	You're in favor of somebody fraudulent, fraudulent, excuse me, fraudulently advertising their age to appeal to a different person.
	In porn, women pretend to be stepmothers to appeal to a demographic.
	I don't think, I don't think that's a questionated $200.
	This is why you don't deal with black women and don't take them seriously.
	No, okay, no racism, guys, please.
	Okay, all right.
	I think for me, I studied the law of attraction, and there's a certain chapter.
	I mean, it's a good book.
	Go ahead, go ahead.
	It's a really good book.
	Watch it.
	Highly recommend it to people.
	But yeah, I studied the law of attraction, and there's a section.
	Well, it's not called the law of attraction.
	I'm sorry.
	It's called the seduction.
	I'm sorry.
	The art of what?
	The art of seduction is what I'm thinking of.
	Wait, by Robert Green.
	Yeah.
	Also, the author of 48 Laws of Power.
	Yeah.
	I'm glad that you're familiar with Robert Greene.
	He has really good books.
	So there's a chapter in The Art of Seduction where it talks about you needing mystery.
	And I didn't start doing the age thing until the internet went crazy over Alexa Demi from Euphoria.
	And people went crazy because they couldn't figure out what her age was and they couldn't find where it was online.
	So I really took notes from that.
	So forgive my question here, maybe, but seduction is the process of alluring somebody to yourself, correct?
	How is it alluring somebody if you're willing to put yourself entirely nude on the internet, but you have to reveal mystery about your age in order to get there?
	I guess I'm just having a hard time understanding the dichotomy there with seduction.
	With like that kind of work, the whole thing of it.
	That was a question directed towards her.
	You're both on OnlyFans, correct?
	So would love to have both of your take on it.
	There's certain parts.
	You can pick and choose what parts of your life you want to be mysterious.
	It's up to you.
	And that's just a part that I've noticed that people kind of go crazy over.
	So I kept it.
	It's all trial and error for me.
	What works?
	What doesn't?
	How about your perspective?
	I'm curious.
	So my perspective is basically with that kind of work is what you are you're buying a fantasy.
	It's not real.
	It's never going to be real.
	That's just kind of how I see it.
	So from my perspective, I can understand like in her line of work, it's understandable she wouldn't share her age.
	With my platform, I don't share my age either.
	But that's really sad to me.
	So what type of fantasy are we trying to sell that you're a child?
	That you're a teenager?
	That you're 21?
	I don't do the P-word.
	I don't do corn.
	Okay, so just, but largely on the platform scale, right?
	If we're just talking anecdotally about the platform and selling a mystery on the platform of OnlyFans to consumers, what's the mystery there by hiding your age?
	What's the fantasy that you're selling to certain people?
	So what I tell people is like, yes, obviously I'm over 18, but like it's my privacy to keep my age withheld if they want to think I'm 30 years old, 25.
	I'll always catch them if they think I'm a teenager.
	I'm like, I'm not a teenager.
	I correct that behavior.
	I don't like to cater towards that kind of audience.
	But outside of that, you know, for my own privacy, like my personal life, you know, should be a separate thing.
	Like anyone's work, you have like your life outside of work.
	Hmm.
	Interesting.
	Oh my god, who the hold on.
	Oh my god, who the hell cares?
	Make Bad Faith Dollar Store, S-Worker, take the long walk.
	I don't know.
	We'll see how the rest of the show goes.
	But what was I going to say?
	Thank you, Grid One.
	Appreciate it.
	Okay.
	So the secret is BS.
	There is no law of attraction.
	Art of seduction.
	I misspoke.
	Oh, right, right.
	Okay, the art of seduction.
	Okay, sorry.
	Look at how it's turned into a whole conversation right now.
	Just like simply talking about it.
	Yeah, you've burned about 20 minutes of the time.
	I've burned it.
	We could have just kept it moving.
	Well, hold on.
	Let me just turn that.
	Let me just reverse Uno this.
	Okay.
	You could have just said your age.
	Why am I at fault when you're kind of the one who's every other girl here stated their age?
	So you're the outlier.
	That's fine.
	I don't need to be like every other girl here.
	I'm just saying it easily could have like kept going.
	But that's the point I'm trying to make.
	Like it's such like a debate about it just because somebody doesn't want to share their age.
	And it's kind of odd to me, but that's just how it works.
	Something I've noticed with not sharing my age is that it keeps like money coming in and it keeps people like wanting to know more about you.
	So that is definitely like an aspect and part of that.
	Yeah.
	I mean, one of the things I really object to when these girls lie about their age, you'll have women who are like in their 20s.
	They'll like, they'll do this on TikTok.
	They'll do it on OF.
	They'll actually claim in the reverse direction.
	They'll claim that they're older than they actually are.
	They'll claim, I'm 40, I'm 50, and I know exactly why they fucking do it.
	To appeal to the older male demographic who has more disposable income.
	And oh my god, you're so beautiful for a 40-year-old, 50-year-old.
	And they perpetuate this lie.
	They sell the girlfriend experience.
	And I frankly think it's fraud.
	I think it's fraud to misrepresent details about yourself in order to attempt to falsely appeal to somebody.
	I think that's fraud.
	I think you're playing a character.
	You're playing a fantasy online.
	As well as what you're referring to, I would say that's just straight up clickbait.
	It's for people to be like, whoa, like you're that old.
	You look so good.
	It gets views.
	That's what it does.
	Anyways, moving on, I think we left off here with your relationship status.
	Right?
	You said you were single?
	Yeah, single.
	For how long?
	Four years.
	Four years?
	Yeah.
	You were previously.
	Hold on.
	Grid1 Motorsports donated $200.
	I do not want to know more about you.
	I want you to go away because you are wasting time.
	We could be talking about cool stuff.
	You have failed in life.
	Please get help.
	You've invoked their wrath.
	It's okay, though.
	They'll calm down.
	Okay.
	Were you previously married?
	No.
	No?
	Okay.
	I was with a girl for like three years.
	Okay, I got my notes mixed up then.
	Longest relationship?
	Yeah, longest relationship.
	Three years, you said?
	Yeah, three years.
	Three years.
	Okay.
	And you, I think in your pre-show notes, you said that you used to be a lesbian, but now you've actually, you've, you've changed up.
	Is that?
	Yeah.
	Do you care to elaborate?
	Well.
	So, okay, like, have you, like, from pretty much whenever you started dating, were you always just interested in women?
	And then were you by?
	Did you previously date men?
	Then you switched to women?
	What's the.
	Yeah, I've always only been with women.
	And then, like, it was like recently, like, I just started liking a guy.
	And, like, for is this the first guy you've ever liked?
	Well, yeah.
	Um, uh, shit.
	I'm sorry, I'm awkward.
	Um, yeah.
	It was.
	Are you okay?
	Yeah, I'm autistic.
	I'm sorry.
	Um, it was, like, like 2022 when I first liked the guy, and yeah, it was not a good guy.
	Wait, the current guy or a different guy?
	Well, you said 2022.
	Yeah.
	It's like two years ago.
	Yeah.
	You said you currently like a guy, though.
	Is it the same guy that you liked in 2022?
	No.
	This is the same guy, but like, this is the first time I've been with a guy.
	It was in 2022.
	You met him in 2022?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Well, 21.
	So you've been dating him for three years?
	No.
	It was.
	It's complicated, but like, yeah, it was my first time was with him.
	That was in 2022.
	Okay.
	And there's been no other guys in the picture.
	No.
	Just him.
	Yeah.
	Wait, the first time was in 2022.
	so you've is this like a friends with benefits or what how do you categorize the because you said you're single Yeah, I'm single.
	But you've been seeing this guy.
	Is it on again, off again?
	No, it is complicated.
	we were never really to, it was a long story, um, oh god, this is awkward, um, I could explain it.
	Maybe later on I'll open up more about it, but it's I can't explain it.
	It's too complicated.
	It's too long of a story.
	Go ahead, Andrew.
	How many drugs are you on?
	Sorry, I'm really, I have anxiety right now.
	I'm sorry.
	But, yeah.
	All right, well, let's reel it in.
	Just start from the beginning real quick and just kind of answer the basic questions that Brian's asking.
	It's okay.
	You can just kind of chill out.
	You know what I mean?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	All right.
	So you were a lesbian for most of your life, is that correct?
	Yes.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	And then when did you meet this guy?
	2021.
	2021.
	And are you still seeing him on again, off again?
	No.
	Okay.
	So you're not seeing him anymore?
	No.
	Okay.
	How long were you seeing him?
	The majority of 2022.
	Okay, so about a year?
	Yeah, like about half of that, like summer.
	Oh, just this.
	So you were only seeing him for a few months?
	Yeah.
	Okay, and are you still dating men?
	Like, I'm open to it, but I'm not really like looking.
	You know what I mean?
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Gotcha.
	All right.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	I'm single, and my longest relationship was a year and a half.
	And I've been single since the beginning of February.
	Okay.
	Was that the one that ended in February?
	Was that the one point?
	You said 1.5 year?
	Longest relationship?
	That's the one that ended in February.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	I am very happily engaged.
	I'm getting married in 81 days.
	So very exciting.
	He did a great job.
	Shout out, Brock.
	I know you're watching at home.
	Yo, W's in the chat for Brock.
	You did great.
	Yeah, no, I'm very happy.
	We started dating in 2021, July of 2021.
	2021.
	Okay.
	So we've been together since then.
	All right.
	Cool.
	And did you propose or did he propose?
	He proposed.
	He proposed at the Grand Canyon.
	It was beautiful.
	We were hiking.
	It was great.
	That's awesome.
	Congratulations.
	Thank you.
	Is Madison invited to the wedding?
	You know, it's so funny.
	We were catching up on all the fun things, but last time I was on the show, that it was her first time on the show.
	So I love that.
	All right.
	Andrew, your relationship status?
	I'm married, happily married, have been for well over a decade.
	Okay.
	I'm going to read a couple chats here.
	Can Grid One Motorsports STFU dude donate so much?
	He's basically Brian's feeder.
	Brian at Summer.
	Let's stop looking preggers.
	Yeah, dude, I got to lose the dad bar, bro.
	I'm stressing.
	What's with the age modesty and not the JJ and behold modesty?
	Well, I think she addressed that.
	I asked her, well, okay, you're mysterious about your age, but like everything else ain't a mystery, you know what I mean?
	So, yeah, we'll leave it at that.
	Thank you, though.
	Chris, this is another example of why I'm so glad that, oh, whoa, Jesus, bro.
	Why are you trying to get me in trouble, Chris?
	Hold on.
	Chris, bro, cut the fuck in.
	Bro.
	Damn, dude.
	Trying to get my shit canceled.
	Okay.
	By the way, Isabel, my wife, I guess, is a fan of your work.
	No way.
	Hello to your wife.
	Thank you.
	Yeah, you probably know her on Twitter, Rachel Wilson.
	Oh, yes, the name sounds very familiar.
	Amazing.
	You'll have to say that.
	Gustavo choose for Brian using a salute for 4-9, half-Asian and white concert violinist beef curtain, but does OF, Only Nudes, or Robot for same as above, doesn't do OF, but now that labia plasty?
	What?
	So Gustavo, you have to choose using a salute.
	Here, I'll pull it up again.
	For me, you're matchmaking for me based off of these two hypothetical scenarios.
	She's a 4-9, half-Asian, half-white, concert violinist, beef curtains, but does OnlyFans, Only Nudes, or Robot.
	Pick one, Gustavo.
	The second, one or two.
	One or two, Gustavo.
	Orfo.
	Or.
	Bro, Gustavo, what the?
	Okay.
	All right.
	And then we have Pico Steins, Brian's organization, BLM, is doing a survey to see how many of our young may be at risk for performing a labiaplasty.
	Ladies, please indicate to the chairman, Gustavo, whether you have any.
	Oh, my God.
	What is going on tonight?
	Guys, I swear normally the fucking messages are not this crazy.
	He wants to know whether you guys have an inny or an outie labia.
	You don't have to answer, but if you do, that's totally like you can.
	She was about to.
	Fuck I show her.
	Oh, well, nah.
	Wait, you were gonna?
	I just, I think it's like, I think the porn industry and sorry, can we say that word?
	The porn industry and everything has changed so much because I remember being younger and being exposed to pornography and only seeing any labias.
	And I would argue now I'm seeing every which way, every type of woman.
	I also think as someone who is bisexual, I've never had a preference.
	And I think, you know, both can be sexy and like I don't have a problem with either.
	And I think it's getting less stigmatized, which is really healthy for younger generations because you should never go under the knife for something unless it is absolutely in my opinion.
	But, you know, that's how I feel.
	I think it's progressing.
	That's probably the only thing we're going to agree on the entire night.
	I agree.
	Why did you say that?
	That's not fair.
	I don't know.
	You don't know me.
	I don't know.
	But I concur.
	Laby Plasty, 10,000 a year in the United States.
	It's tragedy.
	You state you don't have a preference.
	I'll just come out and say it.
	I have a preference.
	Hashtag big laby matter.
	Any girls want to answer?
	Show of hands.
	Anybody want to answer the question?
	Okay, sorry, dude.
	They're not going to answer, bro.
	It could have been a good promo for anyone who does.
	It's a bit much, but where were we?
	Oh, we, okay, we were doing relationship status.
	So single, single.
	Wait, single, single relationship, single talking stage, single, single.
	We've got a lot of single people here.
	So what does being single actually mean?
	So you said you're single slash talking stage, right?
	So do you have a guy in the picture, girl in the picture?
	You got a roster?
	What's.
	I don't have a roster per se, but I like being open-minded to like new ideas of dating and try to not limit myself.
	But I do think when you're single, once you choose to go into the talking stage, it's really important to kind of cater down to one or very few people because otherwise I think you don't get the experience of like getting to know them, depending whether or not you actually want to date.
	I always go into things wanting to date.
	I've never really been part of like a hookup culture type of thing.
	So yeah, I would say right now I'm talking to one person.
	I was interested in a girl in the past and now I'm talking to a guy.
	So I'm fairly open-minded.
	But I think being single means that you are focusing on yourself and not letting any person in your life take up too much time for you unless you're ready to be in that type of committed relationship.
	So right now you're currently seeing like one person?
	Yeah, yeah.
	So I'll never like side pieces.
	I'll never side piece.
	Even if I'm single, I think it comes from a place of like, if you are eventually going to date that person and I think they find out that you maybe weren't committing as much time to them as they thought, I just think there has to be a lot of communication in any type of like talking stage.
	Okay.
	For me, I've been single for most of my life.
	Like I said, I was only in one relationship.
	I don't like being with someone I feel like drags me down.
	I am very ambitious.
	I value growth.
	So for me, being single is being able to grow and not settle for anything less.
	So there's nobody in the picture right now.
	No.
	Not even talking stage.
	Nope.
	Friends with benefits.
	Nothing.
	Okay.
	Relationship, right?
	Oh, okay.
	You said you're in the talking stage, correct?
	Yeah, there is somebody that...
	Are there multiple people?
	I'm still going out on other dates, but there is a person that I'm talking to, like, more than the other ones.
	Well, aren't you, like, you have multiple sugar daddies, is that correct?
	Right now, there's just one.
	Just one?
	Yeah.
	Just one?
	Yeah.
	I thought you had multiple, didn't you?
	In the past, I have.
	Oh, okay.
	Currently, there's just one.
	And is that the talking stage, or is that separate?
	You're in a talking stage with a sugar daddy.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Actually, wait, we have some videos.
	There's some TikToks, Nick.
	There's two of them that we're going to play really quick.
	Okay.
	From your account.
	Nick, if you can pull those TikToks up, full screen.
	Is it the boat one?
	Please be the boat one.
	Yes.
	I might have you pause it, but just...
	Okay, got it.
	Pause the audio.
	Sure.
	Yeah, no audio.
	Black woman, white sugar daddy.
	I'm going to show him my real hair.
	Is this your current sugar daddy that's about to come up?
	No.
	I actually broke up with him in January.
	Oh.
	Good times.
	Yeah.
	Okay, all right.
	And then there's another one.
	And this one, we will play the audio, Nick.
	That's the viral one.
	That's the boat, right?
	Boat one?
	Yeah.
	Hell yeah.
	Not a single fuck, not a single solitary fuck, cause I don't give a fuck motherfucker.
	I don't give a fuck, not a single.
	You don't have to pause it, bro.
	I'm sorry if you started a.
	I don't give a fuck.
	Not a single fuck.
	Not a single solitary fuck, cause I don't give a fuck motherfucker.
	I don't give a fuck.
	Not a single fuck.
	Not a single solitary fucker.
	I don't give a fuck about the fucker.
	I don't give a fuck.
	Was that a Roman salute at the end there?
	I don't know.
	So is that your current sugar daddy?
	Okay, I'm so glad that you asked me that because that man was never a sugar daddy.
	Oh, I don't know.
	Yeah, no, but the internet went crazy about it.
	And there was just, there was so much that came from that video over something like so simple, but that he was never a sugar daddy.
	Boyfriend?
	Nope.
	Rendezvous?
	No.
	Client?
	so just what happened was yeah what's the story Okay, the world can know.
	So me and my friend went out to a bar that night.
	I had just gotten fired from the strip club and we went out, we were having a drinking night and we met these two guys and he invited us.
	He was like, hey, have you girls ever been sailing?
	And we were like, no.
	And he invited us to go sailing the next day.
	And that's how that video happened.
	Sorry to let you guys down.
	Wait, he invited you to go sailing?
	Yeah.
	And you met him at the strip club?
	No, you met him at the bar.
	Oh, at the bar.
	Excuse me.
	Okay.
	You got fired from.
	Yeah, okay.
	It's a funny video.
	Yeah.
	He's singing a song.
	Do you normally find yourself on boats with geriatric men?
	No, I think that might have been the first one.
	That was the first one?
	Yeah.
	How old was the guy in the first video?
	I have.
	Oh, wait.
	No, I actually don't.
	Gray Fox.
	Is that what they're called?
	Silver Fox.
	I would guess like 56.
	40s, 50s.
	I would guess like 56.
	Okay.
	But I'm not sure.
	Okay.
	Good times.
	Good times.
	So you're in the talking stage with your current sugar daddy.
	What's the, how did you meet him?
	Seeking?
	No.
	So he found me on Instagram.
	I was doing a bikini contest in Vegas and another girl had posted the video and he found me through her page.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	And what's the arrangement that you guys have?
	What's your like allowance and other stuff?
	With him.
	And that's why we're kind of moving to the talking stage because it was never really like discussed.
	Like, I know we're giving him the label sugar daddy, but he's not really like a sugar daddy.
	And he just like willingly sends me money all the time.
	I think that we started talking in January and he sent me like $20,000, but probably more.
	In one transaction or?
	No.
	Like over collect.
	Yeah, okay.
	And like even right now, he's like helping.
	But that was just one month, right?
	No, no, no.
	From January to like right now.
	So three months.
	Yeah.
	And he's helping me like start my business.
	Like he's, I'm doing brand strategy.
	It was like $3,500.
	And he's like completely taking care of that because he just wants me to be successful.
	I'm very grateful and very lucky.
	So you said he sent you initially like about $20,000.
	Is that all that he sent you?
	No.
	How much has he sent you total?
	So to be honest, I don't know.
	It's been a lot.
	And that doesn't include like the Botox or the fillers or all the Amazon gifts.
	Like he's just naturally wants to spoil me.
	Do you want to estimate?
	I would guess in like cash, like $20,000.
	And then maybe in gifts, maybe like $25,000, $26,000.
	So almost like $50,000 total?
	No.
	Like $20,000.
	Wait, did I do the math wrong?
	Oh, I'm sorry.
	So like $20,000 in like cash, but like $6,000 in like gifts and like wait, I thought you said about $20,000 in gifts.
	I thought you had to go to the city.
	No, no, no, in cash.
	Yeah.
	I would say probably like $26,000 in total.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	And my rental and auto-pay too, so I guess I forgot to like mention that.
	She pays your rent and pays for your car as well.
	My car's already paid off.
	Well, then what's the auto?
	Auto pay, I think is what she's saying.
	Auto is on auto pay.
	So she pays your.
	Okay, got it.
	You thought she was like talking about automobiles?
	Yeah, well, I didn't know what you were referencing.
	That makes sense.
	That makes sense.
	So, okay, how many, you said that previous times you've had multiple sugar daddies, though?
	How many sugar daddy?
	Right now, you have one.
	What's the most that you've ever had at any given point?
	So that's a little bit harder to say because I do focus on like one person at a time, but like separately, other people will send me like amounts of money.
	Okay.
	So.
	How many have you had total?
	Give it a few.
	Let's get their stories before I start wrecking everybody, okay?
	Okay.
	Wait, we could hear you, Andrew.
	I don't know if we're.
	Oh, sorry.
	Did you intend?
	Bro, did you intend for us to hear that, Andrew?
	Bro, you gotta mute your microphone if you're gonna mute it.
	To be honest, I'm not sure.
	Yeah.
	You don't know?
	Yeah, I don't know.
	I think you do know.
	I really don't, though.
	I'm sitting here trying to think, and I'm like, how much time do we have?
	So I'm not sure.
	Better question, maybe, and this is just out of my own curiosity.
	On a monthly basis, what's the most you've ever made from people just randomly sending you money in one month?
	Maybe like $25,000.
	Wow.
	Forgive my ignorance on this, but these are people that literally just like find you on Instagram.
	They send you a DM and they say, hey, what's your Menmo?
	Hey, how can I send you this giant pile of cash?
	How does that process work?
	Now it is.
	Previously, I was an exotic dancer.
	So I was meeting guys in the strip club.
	And, you know, some of the money would be money that I made at work.
	And then some of it would be like, hey, I really like you.
	Can I see you outside of work?
	So we would figure that out.
	Interesting.
	Okay.
	yeah what would you say is the so you don't have any idea how many total have you Have you had more than 10 sugar daddies?
	The part where I guess I'm like stumbling on is like I call them sugar daddies for like the internet just to give them a label.
	I would see it more so as like a spoiled girlfriend relationship.
	And if that's the case, like if you're asking me how many men have I had send me money just like to be around me, I have no idea.
	That's an unlimited amount of men.
	Okay.
	What would you say is the average age of the sugar daddies?
	I know this might be the age thing.
	Yeah, I was going to say this might be a difficult topic because I really don't talk about it.
	We don't talk about it.
	Okay.
	What's the oldest age of any sugar daddies?
	I guess 56.
	56.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Interesting.
	Good times.
	Yeah, good times.
	Have any of them sent you money and you've never even met them in person?
	Yes, so the guy that I'm talking to right now, I didn't meet him until...
	After he spent how much?
	$12,000.
	That's a lot of money.
	Damn.
	A little slayed on.
	Oh, there's Andrew.
	Kind of life on easy mode, a little bit.
	I don't think that's true at all.
	You don't think it's life on easy mode for someone to send you?
	It's really got a hustle to have men send you tens of thousands of dollars.
	It's difficult work.
	Early on in my life, yeah.
	It was like a really big hustle.
	I know you guys don't necessarily believe in spirituality, but I really do believe that the more that you heal, you kind of just like radiate on this frequency where the universe just spoils you.
	You radiate on the sex worker frequency?
	If that's what you want to call it, hell yeah.
	But it's so you do this healing, you heal yourself, and then because I think a lot of people would say that sex work tends to be damaging.
	It is.
	So you heal yourself.
	It is.
	It is.
	How so?
	So I'm thinking going back from like the strip club, you don't realize how bad it is until you get out.
	And I didn't realize like I was working, I won't say exactly where, but I was making like a really good amount of money, like anywhere from $2,000 to $6,000 a night just working in the club.
	And you get so addicted to that money and that lifestyle.
	And then you come out of it and you're like, whoa.
	I put up with so much shit from men that I didn't realize how damaging that was to like my boundaries and my self-esteem because I was doing it for money.
	Like I was putting myself in a lower vibration and a lower frequency so I could go home with a certain amount of money.
	Do you think that's exactly what's happening with OnlyFans as well and with people paying you money to watch videos of you on the internet?
	Grid1 Motorsports donated $200.
	Thank you, Good Lord.
	It is easy math.
	She is a who and sells herself to men.
	Damn.
	Which is why she does not talk about it.
	Because it is disgusting.
	Nothing complicated.
	Just a who.
	May God find mercy for you as I cannot.
	No one asked for your mercy.
	Yeah, I'm the same man that's sending $1,000 so you can shit talk on YouTube.
	Yeah, okay.
	Good luck with that.
	How's that?
	It's almost like a lot of people.
	Do you think that that's more noble than a guy sending me a huge amount of money?
	I'm sorry.
	I was just saying that.
	Hold on.
	Reiki and tarots are tools of obfuscation.
	Hiding her age is just another element of her con.
	Now she is revealing the extent of her grift.
	To quote Java Millie I, Pied Fuera.
	I would kind of agree that it is part of the con.
	Like, the art of seduction is kind of a con.
	You're like learning how to manipulate people to a certain extent.
	Well, at least you're honest about it, I guess.
	Yeah.
	Wait, I am really, really curious to know, though.
	So you say you were so up close to the abuse and the self-esteem damage and the financial allure of working in the strip club and you didn't realize how bad that was until you got out.
	How is that different fundamentally from what you're doing right now as an OnlyFans creator and posting illicit content online for money?
	So with OnlyFans, you're allowed to choose what kind of content that you create.
	I'm not making anything where I feel like I'm degrading myself.
	I love being naked.
	I love, like naturally, I love being naked.
	And I take pictures of myself naked.
	And if someone's going to buy them, okay, I don't have a problem with that.
	Does that put you at a higher vibrational frequency?
	Would you say that the wattage increases?
	I would say that it doesn't really affect my frequency.
	Like I'm not, yeah.
	It takes you from like a low frequency to a high frequency.
	It doesn't affect my frequency at all.
	It helps my bank account.
	Wait.
	Go from like 100 megahertz to 150 megahertz.
	Something like that.
	Womp womp.
	No, no, I'm serious.
	How is, this is measurable, right?
	Frequency.
	Yeah, your frequency is measurable.
	Am I incorrect about that?
	Sure.
	You think I was cracking a joke?
	I wasn't.
	I don't know how to measure your frequency.
	Yeah, you have to ask someone that does.
	Wait, I thought you did.
	You don't measure your frequency.
	But I can't measure somebody's frequency, no.
	Are you able to do Reiki on inanimate objects?
	Or is it like only on humans?
	It has to be like living.
	It has to be living.
	Yeah.
	Could you do like a demonstration on like that energy drink really quickly?
	Grid One Motorsports donated $200.
	Of course you do not have a problem with any of it you hirele it.
	You are a predator lying and cheating and stealing your way through life.
	You suck the life from all around you.
	Get help.
	Grid one is just going in.
	I think he's upset about the age thing.
	He's allowed to be a bit more.
	Would you say that your standard is like, I don't know, 304 megawatts?
	That's like maybe the standard for you.
	Next question.
	Like, is this like Kelvin or Jules?
	Takes me back to high school kids.
	Wait, okay, let me get into some of my pre-show notes here.
	So let's see here.
	Wait.
	Oh, yeah.
	Okay.
	Wait, hold on one sec.
	What's going on here?
	Yeah.
	Okay, weird.
	How do you say your name again?
	Luce.
	Luce.
	How do you spell it?
	L-U-L-U-C-E.
	Is that right?
	L-U-E.
	So there's a little history, a little history here.
	I think we reached, like, we sent out one of our mass invites and you received one.
	And it sounded like you were not a fan of the show, but we finally got you on.
	Yeah, so at the time, I think I had a friend of mine just come on the show.
	She was on the show, okay.
	And she is a mixed-race black woman.
	And she was on the show and had some aspects of conversation that results in her getting a lot of just hate mail and kind of the devil's advocacy.
	And I think I was at a point, one, I'm very loyal to my friendships and like I really care about the girls, you know.
	So I was very defensive towards that.
	But I also think there is a tendency when men play devil's advocacy that just kind of often puts a panel of women in the position where they do receive public ridicule.
	So I think at the time I was just not in a position of being confident enough in myself to have these type of conversations with understanding that there are those varying opinions and you can face scrutiny.
	You know, this was maybe two years ago or a year ago.
	I was younger.
	Maybe about a year ago.
	Was the friend in question, you said that she was mixed race.
	I think I know who you're referring to.
	I think we were having a conversation of would you date a police officer?
	And she said something about she would not date a police officer.
	Her words were a bit more belligerent than that, but and I asked her, well, why?
	And then I think I gave a bit of pushback, essentially saying, well, I almost, is this the one she's talking about police?
	And then I kind of very politely interject and I said, well, I just, no, I think I said I disagree.
	That was the extent of the.
	And then she says, like, oh, I bet you would, white boy.
	Is that the one?
	That's the one.
	Should we find the clip?
	I don't know if we can find.
	Let me see if I can find the clip.
	Wait, so.
	Oh my God, I love her.
	That's okay.
	That's the one.
	Okay.
	The weather boy clip.
	You guys know I'm talking about it.
	And so she'd been on the show.
	And I think the clip maybe got went viral because, in addition to saying that, calling me white boy, I think two times, and then she said that I wouldn't be able to understand where she's coming from because of my skin color.
	I think she also said that you can't be racist towards white people, which I think also got people a little riled up.
	So do you agree?
	Do you just do you agree with her?
	I think There is some level of one.
	I mean, we're young women coming on here and just kind of facing the forefront of discovering who we are and how we perceive socioeconomic problems or police brutality discussions.
	But I think coming from her standpoint of the racial barrier that does exist in policing, especially in America, institutionalized policing and a history of such matters, I think you can't fully understand her perspective or maybe why she's defensive in the way that she's in the middle of the year.
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	Question for the ladies: What is the least a guy can make an hour for you to date him?
	Okay, well answer this one really quick.
	Minimum amount a guy has to make an hour for you to date him?
	I don't care if he pays for everything.
	What do you mean?
	I don't care how much he makes.
	You'll date him.
	If he'll take me to dinner still, then no problem.
	You will date a guy so long as he pays for all the dates.
	If we were in a full relationship, I would be fine with a mutual date, but the first date, I would expect them to pay.
	It doesn't matter how much.
	What about the first few dates?
	Second, third, fourth.
	Still want them to pay or fine?
	really liked them I could do 50 50 but if you like them a little bit less you'd still prefer for them to if I like them a little less I wouldn't go on multiple dates But you used a qualifier there if I really liked them.
	So there's some degree of less liking where you would still tolerate a date, but you'd like to get away from that.
	I think for a first date, if you don't, you know, if you're not enjoying.
	I've had dates where I've paid in full because I hated the date so much.
	Okay.
	I think maybe other girls can relate to that.
	Okay.
	Sure.
	What about you?
	What was the question?
	What is the least a guy can make an hour for you to date him?
	So for me personally, I would want someone to meet my level and ambition.
	And that's kind of what I'm looking for.
	What's your level of ambition?
	Like, I wake up, I start working, I don't stop working until I go to bed.
	I would want someone that has goals in their life, that strives to do something with their life.
	I don't want someone who's just sitting around not doing a whole lot.
	I'd want someone who wants to better their life step by step, again and again, and basically never stop that cycle.
	So that's what I would prefer.
	So like you wouldn't date, like would you date a guy who works nine to five?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Like if he's like ambitious and like wants to like.
	Let's say he's not ambitious, but he has a nine to five job.
	No.
	Okay.
	So need to be ambitious and I need someone that meets the same values that I have for myself.
	Otherwise it's not going to work.
	Either that person's going to make themselves feel smaller or I'm going to feel smaller and it's just, it's not.
	Would you date a blue collar worker?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	I think for right now, I'm 21.
	I think we're all still kind of in college and everything.
	So as long as you're, you know, pursuing your own career and everything, I think that's cool.
	But later on down the road, I would like a man to make a good amount of money because I want to live a luxury or at least a happy, healthy kind of lifestyle.
	Well, you just said you want to live a luxury life.
	And I certainly agree with you.
	I think when you're in college, the money component isn't really, you know, you're 19, 20, 21.
	I don't think people are really like, oh, is this guy making this much a year?
	Like, I don't think, because the men you're dating, they're probably also in college.
	Right.
	They probably, maybe they're employed, maybe they're not.
	But you said, though, later down the road, you do want a guy who's a bit more established.
	When you say later down the road, do you mean like late 20s, early 20s, or mid-20s?
	I say like whenever I'm ready to get married, whenever I'm ready to, you know, be serious with someone, then that's like, I think that's just kind of like what I look for in a man too.
	I don't want a bum necessarily.
	Like, I don't want someone who's not going to go to college or not that going to college really means you have to be, you know, go to college to make money, but I just think it's kind of.
	So you did say that the guy that you do finally want to settle down with, do you have a sense of what his minimum yearly income you'd like it to be for him?
	That's a hard question.
	Six figures?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	But 200K, 200K?
	I'd say like 100K.
	Like, I don't expect crazy.
	Okay.
	But I also don't expect the bare minimum.
	Okay.
	And are you going to want to work too?
	Yeah, 100%.
	Okay.
	And you want kids?
	How many kids?
	Two.
	And do you want to be working while you're pregnant and during those early years?
	Yeah, I would like to have that time off so I could have that support from my husband.
	But you said you want a luxury lifestyle.
	What does that entail?
	I want to be able to travel.
	How frequently?
	Internationally or nationally?
	Both.
	You know, I grew up traveling a lot with my mom.
	She's a single mother and she's still, you know, we went to China, you're all over Europe and a lot of places.
	So I think if someone, you know, in her position can do it, I think that's kind of like what I look for kind of too.
	Because if my mom can do it, you know, she was going to school working two jobs and she busted her ass for me.
	Was your father, were they divorced when you moved?
	Was he paying alimony or child support or anything like that?
	I'm not sure, to be honest.
	Well, I asked just because you say, well, she was able to do it, but I mean, depending on the amount of child support, it's not clear if it was solely her that was able to do it.
	My mom's a hustler.
	I'll say that.
	Fair enough.
	I don't know all the details.
	Okay, so you'd want a guy, luxury lifestyle, so multiple vacations a year.
	You want to remain in Southern California?
	Yeah.
	Large, how many bedrooms in the house?
	However many I need to do.
	You said for my kids, yeah.
	Two kids?
	About three to four.
	Three to four kids.
	Does each kid get a bedroom?
	Yeah, I would hope so.
	Okay.
	So we're talking four or five, six-bedroom houses.
	Do you want a luxury car?
	I would love one.
	Love one?
	Okay.
	But I can also support myself and buy myself those things.
	What are you studying in college again?
	Business.
	Business, okay.
	Okay.
	So minimum income, six-figure salary.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	What was the question?
	I'm sorry.
	Yeah, it was a question for the ladies.
	Hold on.
	What is the least a guy can make an hour for you to date him?
	I have no idea.
	I have never asked a man how much he makes an hour or honestly how much he makes a year.
	I kind of agree with her.
	You've never asked?
	I've never asked.
	Like, as long as that man's able to provide for me, I'm happy.
	Well, would you date a guy who makes a minimum wage?
	Probably not.
	In college, I went down that route and I started dancing and he started to hate me.
	And it just never, like, if you're, if there's a big wage gap, it doesn't work out.
	Hmm.
	Wait, there's, if there's a big yeah, if I'm making like a lot more money than the guy that I'm dating, like, there just seems that jealousy is always accrued.
	Okay.
	Yeah, I would say someone who like makes a comparable amount to me.
	Obviously, right now I'm a barista.
	I'm a minimum wage worker, so it's not like I just don't want to be the one paying for everything, basically.
	Like kind of what.
	You're 23, right?
	Yeah.
	Are you in school right now?
	I am.
	I go to UCSB.
	Remind me, what are you studying?
	Political science.
	Political science.
	And you're currently a barista.
	Would you date a barista?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Currently.
	Currently, anyways.
	But later on down the road, you said you'd going forward, yeah.
	Someone who could support a family, which it depends on where you live.
	Support a family.
	What that would be.
	Or at least someone who could contribute 50% to supporting a family.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	As long as he or she has a job, I don't really care.
	Sure.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, as long as they have a good work ethic and a livable income for whatever area they're in, then, yeah.
	Okay.
	Isabel?
	I'm not dating, so it's really hard for me to answer this question, but I do think it's interesting.
	We were talking about priorities and your finances in your early 20s versus later on in life.
	I'm at that stage that a lot of you guys are talking about later on the road when you start thinking about buying a house and having kids and paying the mortgage and car payments and all of that stuff.
	So it's fascinating in my own life how I've approached that a whole lot differently.
	I think your priorities just really change.
	I think a lot less about luxury and designer brands and how fancy of a car I can drive or how big of a house.
	Really, the simplistic things in life look a whole lot more appealing as I get closer to my wedding day.
	And a beautiful little house on a little land, beautiful family sounds pretty darn great to me.
	But I'm actually really surprised to hear such common language around the table today about someday when I get married and have kids.
	Out of total curiosity, how many of you still want that?
	How many of you want to get married and still have kids?
	Almost everybody?
	Maybe not?
	Not kids.
	I don't think that's the route for me.
	How about marriage?
	Yeah, I'd be down for marriage.
	If I find a partner that I enjoy and we're like, sorry, if I find a partner that I enjoy and we're both on the same level, I'd want to spend my time with that partner rather than like kids potentially like ruining the relationship that I have with someone I've finally like settled down with.
	Honestly, I'm floored that every single person around this table wants to get married.
	And it really mirrors my last experience on the whatever podcast, which I just wrote about in my book.
	Actually, you know, I think a lot of people expect our generation to be extremely degenerate.
	We are bucking tradition and we don't appreciate traditional and timeless values.
	We certainly don't live in a very pro-marriage culture.
	We have the lowest marriage rate America has ever seen, actually, right now.
	Although new studies are saying it's bouncing back after COVID, which is great.
	But I've heard that 93% of our generation, mostly in college, still wants to get married.
	And that's exactly what we're seeing around this table.
	So that's just a fascinating observation.
	I think it's really interesting.
	Are you really seeing it around the table?
	Because what I'm seeing around the table is a bunch of women who are like, yeah, sure, I'll marry a dude who makes $150,000 a year and pays for all my shit.
	That sounds a lot different than I'm looking to get married.
	Who said that?
	That sounds like a lot of people.
	Absolutely not.
	Absolutely not.
	I'm curious which one of us said that.
	Well, so as we're going around the table, right, what do you think that when you say a man who can support himself and is supporting himself and can support a family, if he lives in the Santa Barbara area, what do you think that would take if you had to guess?
	Probably over $300,000 a year, but we're not talking about this specific location.
	We're not including the fact that each of us are, I think everyone around the table is willing to have a two-income household.
	Do you agree or do you disagree?
	I think partnership is everything.
	My dad and my stepmom, my dad is 16 years older than my stepmom.
	They've been together for 18 years now.
	he invested in her company and now she makes more money than him and she's the main provider of our household i think he gave her way he gave her money for her company and now Yep, and she's paid it all back.
	Her company is doing much better or it's doing well, I mean.
	And now she makes more money than him and pays his mortgage.
	And she's also helping me pay for my college.
	So women are a lot more likely to be able to do that.
	Yeah, that's great.
	That's called dividends.
	That's called dividends.
	That's how that works.
	When you invest in a company and it does well, you get money back out of it.
	That's how.
	Absolutely.
	But she is a female.
	He could have done that without any marriage, right?
	Yeah, but I think if you find a partner who's willing to work with you and grow with you and create a sustainable life for you and a future family, I think that's an absolutely beautiful thing for both partners to have ambition.
	And also, I would be perfectly happy, you know, marrying a woman who makes more money than me or less money than me, or marrying a man who makes more money than me or less money than me, as long as in our combined household we can ensure the safety of one another.
	And we both have similar mindsets with financial planning, investments, retirement funds, college funds if we are planning to have children, Roth IRAs, that type of issue.
	What about the love thing?
	Is that the most important factor or the money?
	For marriage?
	Absolutely.
	Love for marriage?
	Is that more important than money?
	Is that the question?
	Yeah.
	Nothing in life is free.
	If you marry someone for the money, you earn every penny.
	That's what my mom would tell me when I was a kid.
	I'm sure she would.
	So it would be money.
	That's it.
	No, no, the point is that if you marry someone for the money, you earn every penny because you choose a life of unhappiness.
	I think that that was the lesson she always taught me.
	You have to be open-minded, you know.
	Not everything in life is material.
	And I think because there are so many ways to make money independently, and I mean, for example, writing your own book and like creating your own platform, I think there's less of a necessity for women to marry solely for money when in the past and not that long ago, we couldn't even have our own credit cards, you know, without the permission of a man.
	Yeah, but you also didn't incur any debt.
	That's why you couldn't have credit cards.
	Yeah, but we were owned property by men.
	Yeah, you weren't owned property.
	It's ridiculous.
	There's not a point in human history where women have been property of men.
	That's not what I said.
	I said you weren't owned property in this country ever.
	Me personally?
	No, but.
	No, no, women.
	Women were not.
	In the United States, women were never considered legal property.
	Not legal property.
	But if you don't have body autonomy and you can't make your own income and you have to rely on being married in order to have any type of social standing.
	Women could always make their own income in the United States.
	Where on earth did you get the idea that they couldn't?
	Guys.
	Did you learn this in feminist studies and studies class 101?
	Like white women were not really accepted into the working class.
	If you want to argue, I'm not saying there was no room for income and that there was no room for any type of sustainable life or women to create some type of wealth.
	Until really wartime, women weren't allowed in the workforce, and that was only because there were no men.
	Where in the workforce were they not allowed to do that?
	They were still nurses.
	They were still teachers.
	They were still doing all sorts of things.
	Nurses and teachers.
	So they were limited to domestic roles.
	They were doing.
	Hang on.
	Relax.
	They were doing clerical work.
	They were teaching.
	They were nursing.
	They're doing all the same jobs that they're basically doing right now.
	Okay, well, there are plenty of women who are moving up in corporate worlds as well as moving up in different sections.
	There's not very many women who are moving up with a corporate ladder compared to 50 years ago.
	There's so few female CEOs for a reason.
	They don't gravitate towards that kind of work.
	Okay.
	You're right.
	You're right.
	I'm wrong.
	Women are just, they are only meant to do domestic work.
	No, I don't think that's what he's saying.
	That's not what I said.
	That's a mischaracterization.
	I'm just explaining to you the reality.
	I don't understand why you're being so aggressive.
	I haven't been mean to you.
	I'm just explaining to you.
	Yeah, go for it.
	What the reality of the situation is.
	Go ahead, and then Isabel will go.
	Go ahead.
	What does this have to do with women not being able to have their own credit cards or open a bank account in their own way?
	Because women not being able to have bank accounts and credit cards because they weren't allowed to incur debt.
	This was great because right now the biggest holders of debt in the United States are women.
	It's crushing for most women.
	Before that, men had to incur all the debt.
	So the wife could go out and spend all of the money that she wanted in her husband's name and he had to incur the debt even post-divorce.
	He still had to take care of the debt.
	She had none of it in her name.
	This was one of the primary arguments against feminisms from the anti-suffragettes is that they did not want to incur debt.
	And now women have racked up tons and tons of it.
	I mean, so have men.
	It's crushing for men, too.
	So, I mean, I don't really think anyone should be forced to incur debt, so I'm not sure why.
	Well, you know what?
	I think that if I asked a man, if he got married, if all of the debt would be incurred by the woman and all he had to do was not have a credit card, Bank County take that deal in five seconds.
	What do you mean by not be forced to incur any debt?
	It means that everything that I, all the money that I spend on red water support meetings.
	In 1877, the woman was elected mayor in Kansas.
	Your history sucks.
	Accuracy matters.
	You are in fact wrong, Doc.
	Feminism has failed you.
	Patriarchy is the way to the truth and stands ready to help be better.
	Yo, good one.
	Thank you.
	You had a question for her.
	Yeah, I just wanted to get some clarification there.
	Nobody should be forced to incur debt.
	What does that mean?
	Just like in a purely hypothetical, like perfect world, no one would be taking on debt to like go to college.
	Well, let's talk about the real world.
	Okay.
	In the real world, I mean, that's not possible.
	Yeah.
	But I don't think that it should.
	I mean, basically, you're implying that it's good that it's men's responsibility to incur all debt.
	And I feel like if that were actually the case, then we would be in a different argument where it would be like, well, women suck because women don't incur any debt and we incur all of their debt.
	So I feel like it's just kind of like a bad faith argument.
	I don't know.
	Well, it's not a bad faith argument.
	It's just giving a descriptor for why it happened that way.
	Why it was that women, and there was far more anti-suffragettes than there were pro-suffragettes, by the way, made very compelling arguments, like they didn't want to get drafted, for instance.
	They didn't want, see, what the anti-suffragettes said was that women had the moral high ground because they weren't political tools.
	They weren't political tools because they couldn't vote.
	So they weren't tapped into as being political tools.
	So when they said something, they said it from a position of moral authority.
	They weren't being tapped into.
	So this is how they were able to argue successfully for things in women's interests without being just considered another voting bloc that needed to be appealed to.
	When it came to debt and things like this, it is true that women didn't hold their – they could have bank accounts, by the way.
	But most of the time, when they opened up lines of credit and debt and accounts, it was always in their husband's name.
	But the husband was also responsible for all of the debt.
	The women weren't.
	And even when the man died, the woman would get his property, but it may not be the same if a woman died, that he would automatically default and get the property.
	She was able to incur all sorts of wealth for herself and didn't have to spend it.
	Do you think that's a more preferable system?
	Would you like to go back to that financial?
	Well, I think it's a more preferable system to begin to move women outside of the workplace.
	That way we can go back to a family dynamic that works and we can get the reproductive health of the United States back up because right now it's in the gutter.
	I don't know if you know this or not, but it's in the gutter.
	Our birth rate's way low.
	Then why would it be a problem for any of us to say we'd like a man who can support a family?
	Like, why is that a problem if you think that men should be incurring all the debt and taking on all the financial responsibility?
	If a woman says, well, I'd like a man who can support a family in Santa Barbara.
	Well, because this is a cyclical problem.
	The problem is, if you say, I would love to have a single income support me, but then at the same time, not recognize the problem that if you double the workforce, you're going to have the wages of men, that you're basically perpetuating the same issue that you're against.
	Hmm jump in I just, I think it's last thing after you make it.
	No, no, no, no, you're fine.
	Say your thing, but I'm going to move on after that.
	Go ahead.
	Yeah, no, I just think it's for me, it's kind of the constant dichotomy of men constantly arguing, oh, well, women want women, or women want men to pay for everything and want us to take care of them.
	But then it's also the idea of, oh, well, women can't do any jobs that aren't nursing or being a teacher or doing all these things.
	Naturally, in the workforce, because women, whether or not you want to argue these aspects of history on a mass scale, entered the workforce at a later date.
	The same thing with how women entered professional sports at a later date or any other kind of gendered aspect of life, which is most of society.
	You're welcome to interject.
	Well, really quick on the professional sports thing.
	So are you, what exactly, when you bring up professional sports, because women got into professional sports at a later date, that's the reason why there's like a paid discrepancy in no, I think, of course, there's a paid discrepancy in sporting events based off of turnout and these other things.
	But I'm saying there's no foundation of growth.
	If you are able to acquire wealth and work jobs for hundreds of years, whether it is or decades, whether it's being a doctor, whether it's being a lawyer, and these institutions only existed under the guidance of men being able to do those things, such as Harvard only being a male-only school until the last 50 or 60 years.
	My grandparents, I'm still talking.
	Thank you.
	That's ridiculous.
	No, it is not because my grandmother went to the city.
	Women have always out, women have always outdone men academically, including in high school.
	They've always had better scores.
	Always, that has been the case.
	And there was no barrier for public education.
	Early feminists were flying all over the world.
	They were writing books.
	They were writing pamphlets.
	They were writing essays.
	And they were highly educated.
	100%.
	Pushing them out of those domains of academia.
	I think I hear you, and I understand that that's your perspective.
	And I want to acknowledge that there are so many, no, there are so many smart, scholarly women, but it is an absolute reality that women's work has been discredited.
	I can cite, you know, I study biological energy.
	What woman was discredited because look up when women were allowed to attend Harvard University for me quickly.
	Yeah, but who cares if that was exclusive?
	There was tons of other universities for them to attend to.
	Prestigious universities.
	That's a male-only college anyway, if somebody wants that.
	Prestigious universities catered exclusively to men and women entered these different aspects of the workforce later.
	It will take more time and gradual project.
	It will take gradual progress for women to continue to be in those fields of study.
	Are there probably statistically in the U.S. more male chemists or lawyers at UCSB, for example?
	The majority of professors on the panel of the chemistry department are white men.
	But does that mean in the next 20 years?
	Dark and applied science.
	What?
	That's why they all get so social.
	Tell me the science.
	Tell me the science.
	Tell me the science of why men perform higher in chemistry.
	Because I guarantee you.
	Let me respond.
	No, go ahead.
	Tell me the statistics.
	If you talk so much, I can't actually.
	Okay, tell me the statistics of how men perform higher.
	I'll try to go point by point.
	Let's go with point one.
	Sure.
	Yes, it is true that when you're talking about scientific fields, especially chemistry, that's an applied science.
	Women don't go for applied science.
	That's actually not entirely true.
	Women make up the majority of STEM degrees today.
	Okay.
	Okay, calm down.
	Soft sciences are preferable by women.
	They prefer soft science.
	I don't know why, right?
	Nobody knows why.
	Well, I mean, we have an inkling as to why, but they don't.
	They don't prefer it.
	The hard sciences are preferred by men.
	That's why you see mostly men inside of hard science fields.
	That is true.
	Yeah, so as of recently, the majority of STEM degrees actually are being pursued by women.
	I think a lot of that can be attributed to the modern cultural feminism movement at the time.
	Well, no, no, no.
	The devil's in the details.
	What kind of STEM degrees?
	Largely the sciences.
	I have a degree, two degrees, actually, in biomedical sciences, one in undergrad and one in graduate school.
	It's a bit about engineering.
	But correct.
	Women statistically make up less of engineering programs until recently.
	Women are becoming a much larger growing demographic in these things.
	But this is my question.
	Okay, hang on, hang on, Ann.
	Just saying it's a STEM field is not relevant.
	For instance, if you look at the replication crisis, you'll note that it's not just sociology which it affects, but the medical field as well.
	Medical fields are full of STEM degrees.
	However, it's not always replicatable science.
	It bails up to 60% of the time.
	That's still science to do.
	To say that it's a STEM field doesn't mean anything.
	Yeah.
	The stupid in you must really hurt.
	It wasn't Brown.
	Men went to Harvard or Yale, which were malevolent.
	Women went to Brown and others.
	Brown was all female.
	Are you trying to be this stupid?
	Anyway, my question is, you know, we can talk about men generally having more analytically structured brains, and that's why they've pursued applied sciences larger than the soft sciences, which women generally have pursued out of a more empathetic, emotional perspective historically, and they still do tend to pursue those career paths.
	I guess my question for you, Luce, is if women have been strategically held back for so long by society, if they've, in your own words, taken so much extra time to be admitted to schools like Harvard or to be given professional athletic opportunities, etc., we could keep going example by example, then what's the solution?
	Are you just saying women are always going to be considered in your worldview second-class citizens, or is there a change that needs to happen in your prospective societal to accomplish that?
	I'm not saying that women are second-class citizens in the United States, and I'm not saying that in my personal experience, I've felt second-class to anyone.
	I acknowledged certain privileges that I've had and the ability to pursue education, et cetera.
	But I do absolutely think when there is a woman expectation.
	For example, when my dad left my mom, she became a stay-at-home single mother, and she was living off of alimony and child support.
	But she needed to be taking care of two kids in the home at that time.
	And the court kind of put that onto her.
	My dad did not want custody.
	And I think very often women are forced into positions of nurturing and caring for whether it's their partners, their children, et cetera.
	And I'm not saying that that's a bad thing or a wrong thing.
	And I'm not saying that, you know, I personally do feel like I do have some level of a nurturing or more maternal aspect to me that maybe a man might not have.
	But I think it's very hard to succeed in your career for many women who don't have the socioeconomic standing or certain privileges to pursue those fields without, you know, the consequence of having to take care of, you know, whether it's younger siblings or their own children or being forced into positions of choosing career versus family.
	I think, is anyone familiar with the poet Sylvia Plath?
	Oh, yeah.
	I'm very familiar.
	Sylvia Plath, do you know how Sylvia Plath met her demise?
	I do.
	And my point is, she writes a tell them how they committed suicide and she wasn't necessarily oh, excuse me.
	Whatever, just continue.
	Sorry.
	She wasn't necessarily the greatest person in the world, but she did write a poem.
	No, she really wasn't, was she?
	She was pretty awful, wasn't she?
	She was awful.
	But she did write a discussion about a poem called One Fig Tree.
	And she basically discusses how, as a woman, she felt like she had three paths in life: a famous poet, a mother with a good husband and good children, or a famous or a scholarly professor.
	And I think that's a choice that women are often expected to choose is family, you know, career hobbies, whereas men often get the immediate option of choosing career.
	And that's not necessarily to say all men want that.
	But I do think women are asked to sacrifice more socially.
	She aborted fetuses, and she also wrote poems about she also wrote all kinds of insane poems.
	She was a female.
	Yeah, she was, she was, but she's a okay.
	Is she a lunatic any more than any crazy person?
	Any other feminists?
	No, she's not any more of a lunatic than any of us.
	She was actually a self-proclaimed not feminist, so do not associate her with that.
	She is a feminist, and her husband was a feminist and supported all of her work with his money because he was a feminist.
	He propagated feminist agenda.
	But my point is, is that I think a lot of women are asked to sacrifice more individually than men are on a career scale or on a family scale.
	Nuclear family, for example.
	What?
	So what about the nuclear family is asking women to sacrifice things?
	Women?
	How many men do you know that were ever stay-at-home, stay-at-home dads?
	My dad, for one, for several years of my childhood.
	Statistically.
	Huh?
	No, no, no.
	Sorry, go ahead.
	Go ahead.
	I'm just saying there is an expectation on women from whether it's a natural perspective or an evolved perspective.
	Women bear children for a duration of nine to ten months.
	They have to take care of them biologically post-birth, whether it's through breastfeeding or other acquisitions.
	And I think because of those biological factors, we have been forced more into the nurturing role in a social sphere as well.
	That's a powerful word.
	Force is a really powerful word.
	Wait, hold on, hold on, hold on.
	Can you just repeat?
	You said that how many men do you know who what?
	Who were stay-at-home dads versus stay-at-home dads?
	If you think it is easy to be a man, read Self-Made Man by Nora Vincent.
	Your little mind will explode.
	Your simplistic arguments insult literally everyone watching this program.
	Let the adults talk.
	For those who don't know, Nora Vincent, a woman who did this kind of experiment where she basically lived as a man.
	I don't think she was transgender, but she dressed like a man, looked like a man, lived like a man.
	And she was like, because she was a feminist, oh, this is going to be so easy, blah, blah, blah, all this privilege.
	And then actually, it was just totally brutal, like the social aspects of it.
	But you were saying something about, well, how many men do you know who would stay at home?
	Agreed, but I, or to your point, I think it is very hard to be a man the same way it's very hard to be a woman, the same way it's very hard to be a human being.
	No part of my argument was saying that it's not detailed.
	What's the thing with the stay-at-home parent, though?
	I just think statistically, until very recently, it was significantly less likely that men would be stay-at-home parents, as well as the failure of our career system not allowing men to take paternal leave.
	Well, do you think that do you think that there's just I would argue that there's like who would you say is to blame for that?
	That like men just they don't want I'm not blaming anyone.
	I'm not blaming anyone.
	I'm saying it is a natural part of our society that women have been forced, not forced, excuse me.
	Didn't you earlier say that you want a guy to pay for the first date?
	If he asked me out, if I asked him out, I'm happy to pay.
	Do you ask guys out?
	Yeah, I have.
	Generally speaking, do you think who's initiating first dates?
	Obviously, men, probably.
	99% of first dates men are the ones initiating.
	I don't know.
	Men are kind of scared these days.
	So that isn't hard for me.
	I would say it's for even.
	But all I was saying, all I was saying that because of the actual biological factor of being a childbearing woman, not that all women are, I think there is a standard in our society that women are these nurturing roles.
	And that reflects in the careers that you proclaim that women sit down.
	Hold on, I'm going back to this.
	You stated something.
	Hold on, hold on.
	You stated something about, well, men, they wouldn't be these stay-at-home fathers.
	Well, that's amazing.
	I didn't say that.
	You said something about...
	I didn't.
	Okay, then restate it for me.
	I'm saying when you consider the fact that even if you look in the court of law, even when the mother is the unfit parent, the court of law in a divorce case will always favor the woman getting custody.
	Sounds like a female privilege, doesn't it?
	I mean, if having to deal with kids, three screaming children on your own is a privilege to you, maybe.
	But I think that aspect of female privilege was created by if there's a custody dispute, somebody's desirous of having custody.
	Sure.
	So let's assume that it's the man who's desiring custody and the woman doesn't want it.
	That wouldn't be a male privilege that he doesn't get custody.
	Guys, why do you think I'm saying male privilege or female privilege?
	I'm saying objectively in the court of law, they favor women, and that's a negative a lot of the time for men who want to participate in parenting.
	I think women are looked at as mothers in society.
	And that's not necessarily always true and not necessarily.
	Men are looked at as wallets providers and dispositions.
	Oh, that's terrible.
	I'm sorry that that's been your experience.
	I'm not saying one is worse than the other or one's on the side.
	But you said something.
	I'm trying to get back to the original point.
	You said something about single stay-at-home fathers.
	Yeah.
	What was your argument?
	I was just stating that there are less stay-at-home fathers as well as the failure of our career system that does not allow a lot of men to take that's because of a mating pressure that women put on men, not because there's a that's entirely a mating pressure that women impose on men.
	We went around this table.
	All of you said the guy has to make this much money.
	He has to pay for the first date, blah, blah, blah.
	That's a mating pressure you impose.
	I mean, I've got to have multiple different.
	I think it's difficult to argue that, oh, well, this has nothing to do with this.
	And this is the only reason that this is aligned.
	And this is the only problem.
	Like, none of us are arguing that men don't have problems in dating.
	I'm not saying that it's ethical that men are expected to be providers.
	But when you create a system in which there is a historical aspect where women were meant to provide children and essentially sex to men, a man provides his own service.
	That is his service of taking care of his family.
	That system, what's wrong with that system?
	That's a good system.
	We need women to provide children.
	Nobody else can provide children except women.
	We're in overpopulation.
	Actually, we're not.
	We are approaching population decline rapidly around the globe.
	Not only are we in decline across the board, but if you look at some of the Asian nations like South Korea, for instance, it's not even one-to-one for replacement.
	If you look at Japan, right now, they're about to have a crisis where they have more elderly people than they have young people to take care of the elderly people.
	Of the most powerful countries in the world actually cannot replace their current population.
	So, my question becomes this to you, right?
	My question becomes, why is this a bad system?
	Why do you think that it's bad that women are moved by society to stay at home and take care of their children?
	Why do you think that that's bad?
	That seems to be the most efficient system.
	Could you even think of a better system?
	Like, can tell me, if you could come up with your dream system, what would it even be other than that?
	My dream, sis, I can't wait to have children.
	I love children.
	Personally, it's never been a question for me.
	I can't wait to have children.
	I love children.
	I work with kids a bunch, and I think it's such a great blessing, motherhood.
	Not that everyone needs it, but for me personally.
	So, I'm not at all anti-children, but I'm just arguing.
	I personally would love to have a family and have that dynamic.
	So, you actually can't think of a better system than that.
	In my ideal world, I would love to have a partner who would go true 50-50 with me on caring for the children as well as working as much as I work.
	Obviously, if you had the ideal system, wouldn't your ideal system actually be that you could spend all of your time with your children while your husband works?
	Because I don't, women, because I would like the equal sacrifice in my relationship where I love children.
	I can't wait to be a mother, but I don't, you know, I don't need to be the sole provider of my children for 24 hours a day.
	I would love to have a partnership where they are more than willing to help me, you know, feed, take care of the children if I need a day.
	Yeah, but how's that equal if he's working?
	Um, because I could I could work as well.
	There's so many different things.
	Yeah, I know, but that's my, but so this brings us back to the original question then: Is your time better spent working or is your time better spent at home with your children, not outsourcing their care to somebody else while you're working?
	So, for instance, let's say you had a baby, little Samantha.
	Do you think that little Samantha wants to go and get taken care of by some Venezuelan immigrant while you go work all day?
	Do you think that that's comfortable?
	I had an au pair growing up.
	Um, from she was a Haitian au pair, and she was one of the most beautiful, amazing women, and I never felt like it took away from my experience with my preferred that over your mom?
	Um, I never felt like it took away from my experience with that's not what I asked you.
	Did you prefer it over your own mother?
	Probably really you preferred that this uh not every woman not every woman can be a great mother.
	Not every man can be a great father, and I think this outsource system so outsource your kids if I am in a position in which I have can adjust work hours or take time off of work or make sure my schedule aligns or take off work until my children are in school and only work during school hours, et cetera, I find that to be not a problem at all.
	Andrews, yeah, I know.
	I understand what you're saying, but let me let me give it back to you one more time.
	Why do you think it would be preferable if you had the option to stay at home to outsource your mothering to a stranger of your children?
	How in what world does that mean?
	I'm not saying that I would have to do it to a stranger of my children.
	Everyone has different relationship dynamics, different financial statuses.
	You know, maybe I have my parents are able to help take care, or my sister, which is a very natural problem.
	Or maybe nobody, or maybe the daycare, right?
	Or no, I would never say personally, I would never send to avoid the daycare.
	If you want to ask the question and you want my answer, do you want me to answer it?
	Well, your question, your answers are really long-winded.
	Okay, fine.
	I will do short and sweet.
	I will do short and sweet.
	I don't, I want to love my children in every way that I can, and I want to be an amazing mother.
	And I think if I spend my entire time losing my identity as an individual and only seeing myself as a mother, I will not be able to do that.
	So, you mean only?
	Wait, what could possibly be more important than being a mother?
	There's nothing you could ever do in your life that's more important than that.
	So for a man, it's more important than you could be a father.
	What's more important than being a mother?
	God, being a good one.
	That makes no sense.
	What?
	That makes no sense.
	That makes so much sense.
	What?
	That makes complete sense.
	Also, I might be misunderstanding the conversation, but also.
	Hey, wait, wait, hang on.
	I just want to make sure I got this right.
	What's more important than being a mother?
	Okay, being a good mother.
	Okay, great.
	What's more important then than being a good mother?
	Nothing.
	And I will.
	Be a good mother.
	I will take every step in my life to assure that I can be a good mother, whether that's working, whether that's a good idea.
	Yeah, by outsourcing it to the Venezuelan immigrant.
	Yeah, that you're dating.
	What's wrong with the Venezuelan immigrant?
	Maybe she lives at home with me, and she's an amazing woman.
	I mean, do you consider yourself, is his name Andrew?
	Mm-hmm.
	Andrew, do you consider yourself like a traditional person?
	Like, would you say that a traditional mindset is a little bit more difficult?
	No, I don't consider myself trad or what is considered to be trad in modernity at all.
	I never have.
	I don't think we should go back to the 1950s or any of this nonsense.
	What I'm saying specifically, though, is this, that there is no better system that any of you can name than the nuclear family for the backbone of society.
	That's going to require stay-at-home mothers.
	There's nothing else that's better than that.
	We see the population declining.
	It's falling off like a rock.
	And so when I ask, what is it that's more important than being a good mother at home, none of you are going to be able to say that that's not the most important job.
	And yet, for some reason, women seem to want to outsource that job to other people, even though it's theirs.
	Husband can work, take care of you, you stay home.
	No, I have aspiring dreams that surmount being a mother when there's nothing else you could do that's more important than that.
	Can I say something?
	Go ahead.
	I think the ideal dynamic would be subjective to the two people in that dynamic.
	Andrew, can you try to center yourself?
	Go ahead.
	I think it's silly to try and tell other people in these relationships what to do because it's not your relationship.
	You don't know what's best for them.
	You know, we don't know what's best in your relationship, Andrew.
	We're not saying what, listen, I'm not talking on the individual level.
	Everybody's individual situation is going to be different.
	Nobody disputes that that's true.
	But we can look at what is optimal.
	So we're looking at what is optimal for the most amount of people.
	What's optimal for the most amount of people is having a stay-at-home mom who takes care of their children and a father who works.
	How do we know that that's optimal?
	Because we can look at the results of the kids and what happens with the kids when they come from single mother households, when they come from split family households.
	We can see exactly what happens, and it is not preferable to society in any way, shape, or form.
	Let's say it's optimal and best for the child, for the parents, to have a dynamic that works best for them where they can healthily show up for their kid the best way they can, whether it or not it be like a woman in the household taking care of the children or a father in the household taking care of the children.
	It doesn't really matter.
	Like what works best for them.
	Yeah, you could in some certain circumstances flip the script.
	That's true.
	It's like personally.
	But these would be exceptions to the rule.
	It's a practical thing.
	So for instance, it's going to be optimal for a mom to stay at home over her dad, at least in the formative years of the child, right?
	She has to breastfeed.
	She has to do all of these things which are necessary for the health.
	Living on this cold, $200.
	Question for first girl.
	How often do you advocate for male-only scholarships, fostering male educational environment, etc.?
	Why are feminists not pushing for graduation parity now?
	I never hear it now.
	Isn't it the case?
	What is the disparity?
	It's like two to three?
	Three to two?
	Like 60% of women are going to college versus 40%.
	Like it's 60-40, I think, is the split.
	You go to UCSB, correct?
	Correct.
	I think it's 60-40 at UCSB.
	What do you have to say about that?
	Is that due to sexism?
	I think that that is really terrible and that everyone should have.
	Do you?
	Yeah, I think everyone should have full access and opportunity for education.
	Absolutely every person on this planet, whether or not I agree with them, whether they have different political views than me, any gender, race, everyone has the right to education.
	And our entire American education system is flawed.
	It's super expensive.
	There's a lot of pressure to get straight into the workforce.
	I think as we're talking about these different nuclear family dynamics, there is extra pressure on men to get straight into the workforce.
	And I don't necessarily agree with that.
	I think that...
	Well, I don't know who's going to run all the infrastructure in society if we don't get men, young men out there in the workforce building all the infrastructure in society because women aren't doing that.
	Men are doing that.
	Okay.
	I think there's like a really big phenomenon happening today, too, where there are a lot of depressed men that aren't really, it's not really being talked about.
	Absolutely.
	So I think that could also be a driving factor to the gender disparity of people attending college and universities.
	Let me get a couple chats here.
	Pilvia Slath was absolutely shocked to see Luce.
	How do you say your name?
	Sorry.
	Luce.
	Luce.
	When I hopped in tonight, I love your poetry.
	Anyways, big fan of the podcast, Brian.
	Let's have a clean show tonight, ladies and gentlemen.
	Good stuff.
	Luce, JJ.
	Oh, thanks, JJ.
	Someone said something nice to you.
	There you have it.
	We have the Nordic Catholic.
	For the ladies, what do you think of men in the nursing field?
	And is it okay for a man to be a nurse?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	It's a great career.
	Of course.
	It's actually more competitive to get into nursing.
	Group 1 Motorsports donated $200.
	Andrew is right.
	You should listen.
	If each of you were to die tomorrow and come back as a baby, would you rather have a nanny raise you, a daycare, or your loving mother?
	Feel free to go.
	Well, according to her, she thought it was better to be raised by somebody other than her mother that was a good idea.
	We had a mother who was not a good mother, personally.
	And my dad is an amazing person.
	My stepmom's an amazing person.
	So I think all family dynamics are different.
	I agree.
	It's also subjective.
	Don't you think maybe one of the reasons your mom wasn't such a great mom is because she outsourced how you were raised to a stranger?
	No, I don't.
	Thank God she did because I don't think I'd be here.
	As I was saying, I agree it's subjective.
	If a mother is unfit, I would prefer a nanny.
	I love my mom.
	I would also love a loving mother to raise me, but also not all mothers are good mothers, like she's saying.
	Private chat and I pull that shit up.
	Loving mother.
	Yeah, my mom.
	As a professional nanny, I have seen that the parents are more important, and it probably does damage some of the kids because they become more attached to me than to their parents.
	And I feel like that's definitely going to give them abandonment problems when they're older.
	I majored in psychology, and I think that some of the kids I have watched became more attached to me than to their mother, which was very sad, especially when I'm only there for a year or two.
	And I mainly watched infants.
	So they are very attached to me instead of their parents.
	And their parents are good parents, but they're not around their child as much as I'm around.
	No, There's so many bad mothers that we have to outsource all of the children to nannies and other people because mothers are apparently psychopaths who don't love their children enough.
	That only sounds moderately insane to me.
	I don't think it's true at all, but just, you know, just my two sisters.
	Well, it's real.
	What if the parents have mental illness?
	Well, they can't be there for a while.
	Look at the exceptions to all the rules and then make policy for society based on exceptions.
	But those exist.
	And a lot of mothers go through.
	Yeah, and that's fine.
	They can exist.
	And yes, maybe those suboptimal situations, you can have somebody come in in order to regulate the child being raised.
	But in most situations, that is not the case.
	And there's nobody who's going to be better for the health and welfare of your children than you.
	Nobody's ever going to love them more than you.
	Can I just ask again for clarification?
	Every single hand went up around the table when you said you wanted to get married theoretically someday.
	Who is looking forward to being a mom around the table or wants kids in some capacity?
	High, please.
	Put them high.
	I mean, that's fascinating to me.
	All but two in a society where we have the lowest birth rate ever.
	We literally can't even replace our own population.
	And I think it's unquestionable to say that feminism is really steering women away from wanting to have children today.
	They're looked at as a burden to your career, your personal life.
	Heck, even climate change is now a reason not to have kids because it's destroying the planet, as we hear from a lot of politicians currently in Washington.
	So, I mean, that is wild to me.
	At the same time, knowing that you guys want to get married and that you want to have children, how many of you would consider yourselves to be modern feminists?
	Starting with who would call yourself a feminist?
	I've never thought about it.
	You don't consider yourself a feminist?
	I really don't like restricting myself to any form of label.
	I don't like labels.
	What is the actual definition of a feminist definition?
	I don't know that we have a definition today, to be honest with you.
	I think feminism.
	Yeah, I can give you a good definition for feminism if you'd like one.
	For today, let's hear yours, Andrew.
	Yeah, so this would be the belief in an egalitarian structure where men and women are both equal in nature and equal in equity and equal under the law.
	I would question if that's really the definition of feminism for most modern feminists.
	Oh, no, no, no.
	That is the most, the best definition that I can give that the most amount of feminists would agree with.
	And I'm willing to grant them the nicest definition that I can come up with to show them how bad it still is, even if I did.
	That's your most charitable definition.
	That's my most charitable definition.
	That's the nicest definition.
	Good clarification.
	The most charitable way that I could possibly do it.
	If that's the definition, I would say I prefer justice over equality.
	I like to look at things more subjectively.
	Everyone's going to have a different experience or have different struggles or strengths.
	And I think subjectivity is more important than a label.
	I agree.
	When you talk, just a quick follow-up, if you don't mind, very quickly.
	When you say justice, can you tell us what justice is?
	So let's say you are at like a baseball game.
	This is like an old, like really, really old like Facebook post.
	And you are like watching over the stand.
	A man can watch over the stand.
	He's tall enough.
	A woman needs a stool and a child needs two.
	That's equity, though.
	What makes that justice?
	I would say more so that's justice.
	Okay, so what makes it just?
	So you are looking at something more subjectively.
	So it's a subjective metric for you are applying what the person specifically needs.
	I'm not really sure I understand what you're asking.
	Yeah, so let me explain.
	When I ask you what justice is, right, it's actually, it's a hard question.
	I don't blame you for not knowing off the top of your head.
	I'm asking what you're grounding justice on.
	What is the grounding foundation for what you consider justice to be?
	For me and how I look at things, like I said previously, I think it's subjective.
	What a person needs is what we should strive to like give them, you know, whether it be in a family dynamic, a child with disabilities, et cetera.
	Yeah, but that's not a grounding foundation for why we should do that.
	It's just your belief that we should.
	Why we should do that?
	Yeah.
	I think at the end of the day, it's because we are, it'll bring a sense of community.
	We care and love about each other.
	So outcomes.
	Sorry?
	So it's outcomes-based.
	Basically, you're looking at outcomes, and you're saying that if we're a just society under what you consider just to be, the outcomes are going to be better for society.
	I mean, I'm not sure I'm following correctly.
	If I ask you, so I'll try to make this really crystal clear.
	If I'm asking you, what is justice?
	And you give an example, and I ask you, but why should we do it?
	You say, because it makes for a better society, then wouldn't you really be basing justice on outcomes?
	So I suppose so.
	Like, for an example, for justice, let's say somebody robs a store and harms an innocent shopkeeper.
	They should be arrested and prosecuted, but we shouldn't be arresting everyone and prosecuting them for robbing a store.
	Yeah, but why shouldn't we arrest them, take them out, and put them in front of a firing squad immediately?
	Why would that be unjust?
	Then you dive into the philosophy of morality at that point.
	Yeah, well, that's what justice is.
	Justice is the philosophy of morality, right?
	Yes.
	So from my personal standpoint, it would be my own values and morality of why I'm saying what I'm saying.
	I'm not saying it's opinion.
	Yeah.
	Got it.
	Okay.
	So it's a subjective metric based on your subjective interpretation of what justice ought to be.
	Sure.
	Okay.
	So you wouldn't consider yourself a feminist necessarily.
	wouldn't consider yourself a feminist necessarily?
	I would consider myself a feminist.
	You would, okay.
	I think based off of like that specific definition of just wanting equity or equality.
	I don't even think we have to tie it to that definition, but just what modern feminism has looked like for our generation.
	I personally think that men and women should just be treated equally and have, you know, of course there's discrepancies, gender discrepancies.
	I won't act like differences.
	I think in some worlds they're not.
	Living under coordinated $200 aspects.
	Notice how when men are at a clear societal disadvantage, it's called depression or everyone should have equal access.
	Sounds like all lives matter to me.
	Why is it not sexism in your eyes?
	I'm not going to deny that in social terms there are a lot of things happening to men right now, but I'm not going to deny that there are a lot of things happening to women.
	I do think it's unfair that a man can have his reputation ruined just by pissing off some girl.
	Like I've seen it happen, but I don't think it's all that common.
	And I think a lot of women that I've had talked about bad experiences with men are usually not believed.
	Well, there's an easy way actually for us to determine at the table who's a feminist and who is not.
	If you don't want to go with the definition, I'll just ask a single question.
	Do you guys believe that being a stay-at-home mom holds women back?
	That's a great question.
	No.
	Some.
	Sometimes.
	Oh, some.
	Just really quick around the table, please.
	No, no, no.
	Absolutely not.
	Okay, are you a feminist?
	No.
	I don't know.
	Honestly.
	Yes.
	You don't know anything, okay?
	No.
	No.
	I wouldn't consider myself a modern feminist.
	No.
	All right.
	Fascinating.
	Nick, do you have that stuff pulled up?
	I finally want to get back to my.
	Okay, you said your friend was all upset about you had a friend come on, she got blasted online.
	I just think that a lot of these ideas may be, like, personally, I feel like throughout my conversation here, I actually would consider myself to be really open-minded.
	And like, I love hearing other people's points of view.
	But I found the tendency of, like, every time I would say something, you'd say, you think this way.
	You 100% are arguing that you believe this thing, but I just, I don't think that's true.
	It's kind of a meta-conversation.
	So I'm asking you specifically about the thing with your friend.
	Oh, when she was on this show.
	Right.
	Sure.
	I'm trying to get back there.
	Yeah, I just think that she was maybe cornered in the sense of being told, this is what you think, this is all who you are.
	I just think it's really hard to encapsulate people's full point of view.
	The first one in the second sound like from a segment of their experience.
	Is the audio blasted?
	Would you date a police officer?
	No, f the pigs.
	Because the institution they support is inherently racist and profiles of black and brown Americans especially throws them into jail, which is a continuation of the slave trade, essentially.
	People are working in prisons for less than minimum wage, making pennies and dimes, and it's unfair.
	And that's what you contribute to if you're a cop.
	My question to you is, I disagree with you on...
	Yeah, I bet you do, white boy.
	That's a bit racist.
	Oh my God.
	No, you're one of those.
	How can you be racist against?
	And I'm also half-minded, so like, how can I be racist against you?
	You don't think you can be racist towards someone who's white?
	No, I don't, because you've never experienced racism in history.
	White people haven't experienced racism.
	One of the experiences.
	What's your definition of racism?
	I'd say basically like the persecution in any type of way that leads to the downfall of just like someone's life.
	Play the second one really quick.
	Go ahead.
	I think that's really easy to say.
	You just started at this beginning.
	It's always going to affect my life.
	I can't take off my skin color.
	As a black woman, like prejudices that exist against me don't exist against you, Brian.
	And that's why you can't be racist against a white person.
	So I'm not going to be offended.
	But you are white, and me calling you white boy isn't exactly racist.
	I mean, you are addressing me by my skin color.
	Your skin color will never lead to the, you know, what is it, premature murder of yourself.
	Like, I don't know.
	I would actually point out one thing to you.
	Me as a white man, I'm the only male at this table here.
	There are more white men killed by police officers than women of any race combined.
	I mean, then why aren't you mad?
	Why don't you hate police too?
	Because I realize that police are a necessary function of society.
	Without police, it would be chaos.
	We need police officers.
	I mean, I think that's really easy to say as you, once again, I'll reiterate, a white person.
	again that's not to be racist so it's funny that all of you laughed when she called me white boy which is a racist statement unless you disagree and you actually think that it's not racist to call a white person a white boy How?
	Did it impact your life?
	How?
	How did it, what do you mean?
	How did it impact you?
	No, how is calling you white racist?
	Are you not white?
	Well, hold on.
	There's a certain tone when you say something and her attempting to dismiss my point because of my skin color, aside from just the word she used, occurs to me that that would be a bit racist.
	That I can't weigh in.
	That's not racist.
	Well, what's your definition?
	What's your definition of racism?
	My definition of racism is basically exactly what she just said.
	When your color affects how you live your life completely.
	By saying you're white, that's an observation.
	Racism is like your subscriber that was talking about, I won't date.
	This is why I don't want to date black women because they're ignorant and stuff.
	Like, that's racism.
	Prejudice is saying, oh, she's black.
	that's prejudice so your definition is there well let me let me ask for just very quick well Okay, as soon as this comes through.
	Let me just ask this very quick, quickly, is being prejudiced worse than being racist?
	Hmm.
	No, I mean, honestly, we're not all going to be kumbaya, of course.
	And so you would agree then that while it's true, or maybe true from your worldview, that you could not be racist towards Brian by calling him white boy.
	and you say it's a prejudice statement you just said that morally they're equivalently abhorrent correct well then i take that back because just by saying stating the obvious that he is white then yeah that's not are you but if you say if you say that's a prejudicial statement yeah then then you say it's prejudice and prejudice is not more immoral than being racist Well, I just took a look at the majority of the people.
	Hang on, hang on.
	Haven't you done an equally, hang on, haven't you done an equally immoral thing by doing something which is prejudice instead of racist?
	No, if I start like attacking him and saying like racial stuff, which I will not do, then yes, but I'm not doing that and neither was she.
	No, but she was.
	She said that she could not be racist.
	She said she was being prejudiced.
	I think it was she was being more degrading than anything.
	It would be like similar to someone being like calling me four eyes if I was wearing glasses where it's like, yeah, that's my appearance, but I'm not inherently affected by it in like all of society.
	Wait, what?
	What?
	Wait, are you just saying like calling someone four eyes is on, like being racist against white people is on par with calling someone four eyes?
	I was comparing it to her just degrading you is what she was saying.
	Racially.
	I would say it is on par because white people don't face racial discrimination.
	People's glasses don't face glasses discrimination.
	You're no more hurt.
	That's a whole bunch of them.
	You're no more hurt by someone calling you white than someone is.
	It might hurt you in the moment.
	You might feel like you're being degraded or you're being looked down on.
	Oh yeah.
	Oh yeah.
	Was the knockout game?
	Like all I can think of right now.
	It was a knockout was a knockout game.
	She can't get that employment.
	I mean, I would like this question answered.
	What is the knockout game?
	To your statement.
	So there was a group of young men, young black men, who were running around, and they were knocking unconscious older white people for fun.
	That sounds like a boomer Facebook urban legend.
	No, no, no, it's not.
	I can show you video after video after video.
	It's called the knockout games.
	It's not a joke.
	We're not going to pull up.
	They were purposely.
	I'm just asking.
	Let's assume for a second I'm not, I'm telling you the truth because I am.
	Would that be racist?
	Can you answer that question?
	Were they solely attacking white people or were they attacking white people?
	Yes, only white people, correct?
	Hold on, we're getting off topic here.
	Okay.
	Bringing it back to you, the video that we're reacting to is kind of very secondary to the conversation I'm actually trying to have.
	So you were kind of upset that your friend went on the podcast and she said the things that she said, and that was actually very gracious to her, despite what she said.
	And she got a bit of pushback, blowback from it.
	You don't take any quarrel with how she conducted herself.
	I think you're a grown man talking to younger women, and I think we've been socialized in such a different way where certain things are considered funny in media or a more casual way to discuss something that's a really hard topic for her and a really hard topic for non-white people in general.
	Can you answer the question?
	Because you're kind of tired.
	You're deflecting a little bit.
	Living under score donated $200.
	Sorry, Brian.
	Very simple.
	Prejudice based on race is racism.
	Prejudice against any race is racism.
	You can say it's not as bad since it's towards white people, but that doesn't mean it's not racist.
	But even if we were to grant to the chatter that being prejudiced is not the same thing as being racist, if they're morally equivalent, then who gives a shit?
	It's still just as a person donated $200.
	Racism is literally prejudice based on skin color.
	Words have fucking meanings.
	Her assuming Brian's worldview and dismissing his points based solely on his skin color is literal racism, and I'm blah.
	What put Daylon Jackson?
	I just, I'm not really sure what response you're looking for.
	I think I was trying to respond in the sense of, I just didn't like that.
	I think I've always wanted to come on a podcast like this and discuss different point of views.
	And I think I've been really respectful this entire time.
	I haven't said anything derogatory to you about your opinions.
	And I just personally didn't like that when she was sharing her opinions, she was faced with derogatory messages and kind of like the promotion of that, I believe.
	And I was not necessarily blaming you or your platform, but rather just the consumption of media and how there's often a lot of derogatory content and hypercritical content when she was just expressing her experience in her own way.
	And I think, you know, if you've had those certain experiences, which obviously I am white and I haven't had those experiences, and that was the way that she handled it or interpreted it, I think that that is valid in its own regard.
	Yeah, I mean, but why?
	But okay.
	Hear me off.
	I'm being super respectful to you.
	And then your response is, oh, that was a lot of words.
	Well, you're kind of dancing around the question.
	I'm not.
	I'm telling you.
	Well, I asked you.
	I asked you, do you agree that her conduct was you take no quarrel with her conduct?
	I think I have received the same level of kind of aggressive, outspoken attitude towards me already from specifically and which is totally fine to disagree with.
	That's super nice.
	What do you mean?
	Anyways.
	Would you like to see me mean?
	That's not a problem.
	No, no, no, no.
	I mean, you're welcome.
	I can take it.
	Like, I don't mind.
	I'm just saying, I think.
	I don't know what you want me to say.
	I feel like I've given you my perspective.
	What if it was the other way around?
	What if he spoke to her the way she spoke to him?
	It didn't happen, so I'm...
	But I'm just saying, what if?
	But I'm just saying, what if?
	What if?
	What if, hypothetical.
	Hypothetically.
	I think there is a more historical...
	Well, I'm just saying in that moment, though.
	Well, I'm just saying in that moment, though, not history.
	Yeah, I think, no, I'm saying context matters, though.
	So I think because there is a more historical discrepancy of white people treating black people wrongly, it would hold more value of him being derogatory towards her.
	Talking to him?
	I'm not saying whether or not it's justified.
	I'm saying it would be very different and incomparable.
	Because if he would say that, he would be canceled.
	But like, since I mean, she was hated on and also canceled.
	What she did was wrong.
	I'm just saying.
	How do you know she was canceled?
	Well, I don't know.
	She was experiencing a lot of hate from it.
	Yeah, you totally made that up.
	She wasn't canceled.
	That's insanity.
	I mean, I don't really know what canceled or not canceled.
	Then why did she say it?
	Canceled in the sense of receiving hate for it.
	We're talking about it now.
	Canceled is deplatformed, thrown off, depersoned, de-banked, dehumaned.
	That's canceled.
	Okay.
	All right, here's another thing.
	Well, I mean, you say okay dismissively, but you know that this happens to conservatives a lot.
	They get deplatformed.
	They get their bank accounts frozen.
	They get completely thrown off of all of these platforms.
	And while the left cheers.
	And I think that in this situation, had Brian spoken to her the same exact way that she spoke to him, that is exactly what would have happened to him.
	And it seems like a double standard.
	That's what he's pointing to.
	And he just wants you to address it.
	Like I said, this was over a year ago, and I hadn't experienced the full context of this in over a year.
	We just pulled up the video.
	Yeah, and I told you very objectively that that was my feelings towards it during the time.
	I didn't like that, you know, as a young girl, she was received a lot of online hate was my problem with it.
	Okay.
	Well, here, look, let me ask a couple questions.
	Going around the table, do you think that you can be racist towards white people?
	I think you can not institutionally, no.
	But I think socially, of course, anyone can be racist to anyone if it's being derogatory towards a certain skin color.
	But I think the important aspects of racism, such as institutionalized racism, I do not believe white people experience that.
	No.
	So if people are deprioritized in job selection or college applications.
	White women benefit the most from a lot of those selections.
	I don't know the statistics of it.
	I'm just, you asked my opinion.
	My answer is.
	Affirmative action.
	Affirmative action most benefits white people, actually.
	And de-benefits the most Asian people.
	Wait, affirmative.
	Hold on.
	Affirmative action benefits white people the most?
	White women specifically.
	Yes.
	There was a huge Harvard trial on it, actually.
	No, you're talking, hold on.
	Are you talking about like when it came to the for Asian Americans?
	Collegiate affirmative action?
	Is that well, specifically, I think with Harvard, it was the case that Asian Americans had to score way higher than white people, black people, Latin Americans.
	Which was unfair.
	African Americans.
	It had to do with Asian Americans.
	Yeah, which was unfair, but white women were benefiting the most from collegiate affirmative action.
	Yes.
	You can look up the statistics right now.
	Just they were receiving the most admissions due to affirmative.
	I mean, you can just Google it right now.
	But so can you, so you, just to be clear, your point is, wait, Nick, just, okay, you got it.
	So can you be racist towards white people?
	Institutionally, no.
	Not institutionally.
	I think, you know.
	There couldn't be a policy that would ever be racist towards white people.
	Is that what you're saying?
	Well, that's hypothetical.
	I'm saying in our American institution, no.
	And what would those institutions be?
	The fact that we weren't enslaved people, the fact that we have had countless instances of demolishing white people.
	In fact, white people were enslaved at various points in history.
	Actually, most majority of them were indentured servitude, which is.
	that's not true you had the so so listen do you know what the order of mark and reprisal was This was in order to stop white people from literally being kidnapped, put on ships, and then they were taken away by the Arab slave traders.
	Thomas Jefferson put an end to that.
	We don't know how many tens of thousands of white people were enslaved during that time, nor in the previous century.
	We have no idea.
	It is true in recent history.
	You can point to blacks being enslaved in the United States.
	But there's not currently a single black person alive today that I'm aware of that experienced slavery.
	Okay, so you asked, but my question is, you asked my opinion, I say no, and then you go to rebuttal.
	It's okay to have a different opinion from me.
	Well, it's also okay for me to rebut your opinion.
	Yeah, yeah, sure.
	But my opinion stays strong.
	I don't think we experienced after that.
	I have witnessed racism towards everyone, every different racial group in front of me, except for white people.
	In my personal experience.
	Wait, but you just said that you can't be racist towards white people.
	That's what I, yeah.
	I'm saying I have witnessed every minority group.
	You're bending the definition to preclude you from even being able to see racism against white people.
	Why?
	You just defined it the way you defined it.
	Why against white people?
	I'm saying in general, racism I have witnessed in my life.
	Was her calling me a white boy racist?
	I mean, not in the sense that I find racism to be.
	Okay, let me ask you a question.
	If I were to say, wait, wait, wait, wait.
	If I were one second.
	Okay.
	All right.
	All right.
	Is race a social construction?
	Yes.
	There is no biological.
	Race is just a social construct, right?
	Yes.
	It does not exist as a physical reality, correct?
	Correct.
	Okay, so that's going to set the framing for what Brian's about to say.
	Go ahead, Brian.
	Okay.
	So she called me a white boy.
	If I had called her, like, if I dismissed her opinion or her disagreement or her thought by saying that she's a black woman, black girl, would that be racist?
	Yes, because of the social implication.
	But is it not a fact?
	I mean, if you say it as a statement and an objective truth, oh, you are a black woman, perhaps not.
	But if you're saying it in a derogatory sense, how is it not derogatory towards him?
	I agree, it's maybe derogatory, but I think it's a variation of generational humor and coping with such topics.
	I don't think she said it.
	I think intent is everything.
	And I think the intent is there, for sure.
	I don't even understand, though.
	If race is just a social construction, which is exactly what you just said it was, then anybody who brings up race in a negative light for the purpose of demonstrating that it's not a social construction, how are they not introducing some sort of prejudicial bias or racism?
	I don't understand the question.
	That didn't make any sense.
	Yes, it does make sense.
	It's a social construction, correct?
	So if nobody talked about the social construction anymore, wouldn't it go away?
	No, because a social construction doesn't mean it's not a social reality.
	Like, it is a construction.
	Social reality is only a product of the mind.
	So if nobody ever talks about what is a social reality, the social reality goes away.
	It's not a product of the mind.
	That's not what a construct is.
	Oh, no.
	A social construct definitionally is a product of the mind.
	No, it isn't.
	Really?
	Can you point to a physical social construction?
	Money.
	Money is a social construction.
	No, You're pointing to paper as the physical reality.
	Money is the social construction, which the paper is.
	Money itself is just paper.
	Is that true or false?
	It is just paper.
	That's the thing.
	Money is a physical.
	Money is a social construct.
	Does not exist except as a product of what?
	So if we ignore money, it'll be a lot of fun.
	No, no, don't, don't run a question.
	It only exists as a product of what?
	The mind.
	No.
	Right?
	Money only exists as a mental health.
	I just disagree with that.
	I disagree with that.
	It doesn't.
	So if everybody decided tomorrow that the $20 bill inside of your wallet was worth zero, what would it be worth?
	It would be worth zero, but that's.
	It would be worth zero because it's a product of the mind.
	Its value is a product of the mind.
	It's socially constructed.
	A pointless type of money.
	It does not exist if we decided that houses were useless and we went back and lived in Canada.
	Yeah, I mean, it's just a point.
	Houses are not social constructions.
	They're material reality.
	You can see them, touch them, taste them, walk into them.
	Those are real things.
	You could look at them.
	They're not socially constructed.
	My point that you did not let me finish was that race is a social construction, but it does not mean it's not a social reality.
	And people feel and experience material reality effects of such a social construction.
	So just if everybody do.
	I agree.
	But I've already agreed with this.
	I agree that if you have a social construction and everybody lives as though the social construction is true, you do have to experience the effects socially of the social construction.
	So, for instance, we could socially construct that your head was or hair was red right now, and everybody could believe it, even though it was not an objective reality, they would still treat you like you were a redhead, right?
	Yes.
	Okay, but that would be false.
	You would not be a redhead, but they would still treat you as though you were.
	But assuming everybody dismissed this social construction of anybody having red hair, how would it exist in material reality?
	Be blonde.
	I mean, it doesn't, that doesn't matter because it doesn't matter to this question at all because it does matter.
	It matters big time.
	No, because what we're asking is if the roles were reversed, would that be as bad?
	Grid one motorsports donated $200.
	Wow.
	Just.
	Wow.
	Nothing Dollar Tree Blondie has said has been accurate at all.
	Please stop talking and listen to the man speaking, and you will learn something as God intended.
	Okay, anyways.
	So we're asking: if the roles were reversed, would it be as bad?
	That is dealing with reality.
	That's dealing with the real world.
	We're not dealing with like a- No, it's actually.
	Well, hang on.
	I'll rebut this.
	Okay.
	So it's not, though.
	What it's dealing with is a non-reality because you believe that race is a social construction.
	That affects material reality.
	Yes.
	It's not a material reality.
	So therefore, if nobody ever talked about race again, how could it be a material reality?
	It is a material.
	I mean, if no one ever talked about it again, it wouldn't be, sure.
	So then by her talking about it, by this woman talking about it and bringing race up and pointing out Brian's race, she's talking about it, right?
	Bringing it into material reality from your worldview.
	And she's pointing it out for what reason?
	She's not the one doing it.
	That's the thing.
	We are all, you can't divorce everyone from the context of material reality.
	No one is doing anything or saying anything.
	In fact, I'm not divorcing anybody from that.
	You are.
	You're divorcing her from the context of her lived reality.
	From your perspective, it is not a material reality.
	No, I've already stated.
	My perspective is that it is a material reality.
	It is based on a social construct.
	So it's not a social construction then.
	It's a physical reality.
	I have stated what I think about that multiple times, and you are misinterpreting it.
	Race is a social construction that has created the material reality that we live in.
	That's all.
	I think I heard you just fine.
	I'll steelman it back to make sure that I have it correct.
	You ready?
	I'll steel man it back.
	You just say if I got it right or not.
	Okay.
	Social, the social constructions, if you act as though they are real, can have real effects in material reality.
	Not just if you act as if they are real.
	They are real.
	You can't, in the blink of an eye, make them not real.
	Okay, no, I can't.
	In your hypothetical.
	That's not what I said one more time.
	Okay.
	Let me steel man the position.
	Social constructions are not real.
	They're products of the mind.
	Yes or no?
	They're not just products of the mind, no.
	They're not.
	Okay, so then can you point one out to me?
	Can I point out a social construct?
	Yes, in a material reality, that's not a product of the mind.
	Well, the way that race affects people materially, like hate crimes, I mean, that's material reality.
	Race itself, is race itself a social construction?
	Yes, I've stated that multiple times.
	So then it's not anything other than a product of the mind, yes or no?
	No.
	I mean, I've already said what I've said.
	If you don't understand the connection that I'm making there, that's on your own.
	I don't understand.
	So let's try.
	I'm just going to try one more time.
	I want to make sure I got this right.
	Do you believe that social constructions exist in material reality or they're only products of the mind?
	They exist in material reality.
	They exist in material reality.
	Okay.
	Can you point to one that exists in actual material reality then?
	Race.
	Okay, so then race is not a social construction then.
	You just don't.
	I feel like we're wasting time because you just don't understand.
	No, no, no, no.
	It's not.
	We're not.
	You don't understand, right?
	We don't understand.
	It's a product of the mind.
	If it's only a product of the mind, and you say race is a social construction, therefore it's a product of the mind, then that means it can't exist in material reality.
	It doesn't exist absent the mind.
	That's just not true, though.
	Products of the mind can have an effect on material reality.
	I didn't say products of the mind can't affect material reality.
	You mean exists?
	They don't actually.
	You mean like tangibly exists.
	Sure.
	Race is not tangible.
	No.
	So it doesn't exist except in the mind, right?
	No, something can be tangible and exist.
	Intangible and exist.
	Music exists.
	Music is not tangible, but no one's denying that it exists.
	Music's not a social construction.
	There's sound.
	There's nothing.
	No, we can't do it.
	I'm saying.
	It's not just a product of the mind.
	What's the meaning of the music?
	I'm saying that music is an example of something that is intangible and yet still exists in our reality.
	It's not intangible.
	What makes it intangible?
	You can't, it's not physical.
	You can't, I mean, there are.
	It is physical.
	What are you talking about?
	Well, it's a vibration, but in the colloquial sense of the world.
	Well, so there is a physical sense that we can measure in material reality.
	I'll give you that.
	Music was a bad example.
	Is that the same thing with race?
	I would have to think about that.
	No, I would might.
	You'd have to think about that.
	My immediate response is, well, yeah, this is a complicated question, I think.
	It's not a complicated question.
	It is.
	This is a really complicated question.
	Is it a reality or it does not?
	And it's a social construction.
	It can't be both.
	I disagree.
	Obviously, disagree.
	What is the definition of a social construct?
	Something that is socially agreed upon and constructed via reality.
	I mean, think like the census.
	Okay, so is it social construction itself, then?
	No.
	The reality?
	No.
	So then is race a social construction?
	Yes.
	I did not hear the first part of your question.
	Okay, then it doesn't exist in material reality.
	So I don't know why you keep disagreeing with me here.
	I just, I mean, because you don't understand what I'm saying.
	Go ahead.
	Tell it to me again.
	I don't want to just keep repeating myself and having you.
	I'm going to move on.
	I'm going to move on.
	Let me read a couple chats, but we do have to go around the table on one of these questions once she's back.
	So hang tight, guys.
	Really quick, man clown, the panel is a treasure.
	These wayward and unconstant women are a testament to the bounty of Western civilization.
	Do they see modern female mating practices as predatory of male productivity?
	This is a question you actually want me to pose to the panel.
	Do you see modern female mating practices as predatory of male productivity?
	Anybody quick answers kindly?
	Do you mean like going for men of a certain like social status or like material like going after men for money, basically?
	Is that predatory?
	Like this question makes me feel like they are referring to corners.
	Start getting those pulled up, Nick.
	So I would say yes.
	I think corn is unhealthy.
	I think a lot of people don't take it in moderation and it can ruin lives.
	How does that impact your worldview being active on OnlyFans as a career?
	I don't do like regular corn on there.
	I do ASMR and I-based stuff.
	And you know, if people are not going to take things in moderation, I'm not there to tell people what to do.
	I don't think we should be telling anyone what to do.
	I do think there should be more resources and help out there for people who need it.
	All right, going around the table.
	Just to finish up this answer, please let's not linger on it too long.
	So the question was, can you be racist against white people?
	If you want to restate your answer quick and then we'll move on.
	I'm done talking about it.
	I think it's subjective on where you are in the world.
	I think it can be racist to any race.
	Yes, in different ways.
	No.
	Can't be racist against white people?
	No.
	Okay.
	Yes.
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	Just really quick on your answer, you say no.
	Is that worldwide?
	Or are we speaking in the U.S.?
	I think that's in the institutional context of the U.S. Can I ask you a question?
	If Barack Obama during his presidency refused to hire a white janitor who was in poverty because he was white, would that be racist?
	If he did that, then yeah, like if hypothetically, if we started enacting policies in the United States that were subjugating white people, that we, the most powerful person in the world.
	Then yes, you could be racist against white people.
	I think it has to do with the institutional context, yeah.
	So you can be racist against white people.
	In a hypothetical, in the real world, no.
	In the real world, what do you mean by hypothetical?
	Barack Obama was in fact president.
	Did he, like, what discriminatory policies that subjugated white people in a meaningful way did he enact that are still in effect today and that white people are feeling the effects of today?
	I'm giving you a hypothetical.
	Exactly, and I'm saying in the hypothetical, sure, you can be racist against white people.
	But you're saying in the hypothetical, by the hypothetical, it could never manifest itself.
	Like, I don't know.
	Racism could never manifest itself.
	Like, I could give you an example, but in actuality, in reality, racism towards white people would never manifest itself.
	Is that what you're saying?
	It's doubt.
	I would have to see it to believe it.
	You think it's very doubtful that racism towards white people can manifest itself?
	In the United States, yeah.
	I mean, the world can go on infinitely, maybe at some point.
	Okay, here's another, perhaps a more realistic hypothetical.
	A black business owner refuses to hire a white person because they're white.
	I think that would, yeah, that would be racial prejudice.
	I don't think institutionally.
	It's not affecting all white people because in my...
	What if it's a major institution?
	I think it would still have to be this person, this business.
	I think it would still have to be more than just like an anecdotal singular incident because the way I think of racism, just my definition of it, is it's something that's more broad-based.
	It's not an individual thing.
	You can be racially prejudiced against a single person and you can use the broader concept of racism to discriminate against an individual, but racism as a concept for me is like that's a widespread institutional thing.
	And is being prejudiced more or less immoral than being racist?
	I don't think moral really factors into it for me.
	I think that it's equal and bad.
	No, racism, I think, has much greater implication, greater in a negative way, implications.
	So what makes it worse than being prejudiced?
	The long-term implications of it.
	Why would the long-term implications of racism be worse than the long-term implications of prejudice?
	Because they're systemic.
	They are deeper than.
	Or prejudices.
	Prejudices can be systemic as well.
	Not in the definition I'm working off of, no.
	No, no, even in the definition you're working off of.
	Are you saying the definition that you're working off of prejudice cannot be systemic?
	Yes.
	Really?
	Yes.
	Oh, okay, great.
	So then you would say then that if white men oppressed white women, would that be racism or prejudice?
	That would be misogyny.
	Did you mean sexism?
	Would that be prejudice?
	It would be, I think it would be, yeah, that would include prejudice.
	Yeah, could that be systemic?
	Well, the systemic aspect is the misogyny.
	The prejudice, no.
	The prejudice, no.
	Oh, so why?
	So I just want to make sure I get this right, so I don't straw me on your position.
	If white men systematically were prejudiced towards white women, that would not be systemic.
	That would be misogyny, and I think, yes, misogyny is also systemic.
	Okay, but prejudice is not systemic.
	No, my definition of prejudice would be more of an individual thing.
	So you could, as a result of systemic misogyny, someone could be prejudiced against an individual woman because they've grown up in the context of systemic misogyny.
	They are going to be prejudiced against individual women.
	Got it, got it.
	So let's assume for a second then we will work off of this insane definition.
	I'll just grant it to you for the sake of doing it.
	Thanks.
	It turns out that you live in a society where they only harp on people who have blue eyes.
	That's it.
	It doesn't matter if they're men or women.
	It just so happens that far more women than men have blue eyes.
	In fact, almost all of the women do.
	And so the men with brown eyes oppress them, not because they're women, but because they have blue eyes.
	Are they being prejudiced towards those women?
	That would be a prejudice, yes, but I think that would be a prejudice.
	Now, let's assume that they built institutions in order to stop these blue-eyed women from doing things that they wanted to do.
	Would that be systemic prejudice?
	I mean, that would be two different things.
	The prejudice is a result.
	The prejudice is a result of the systemic discrimination.
	The blue eye.
	Blue eye-ism.
	Yeah.
	Yes, that's just prejudice, right?
	Yeah, but the prejudice is on an individual level.
	Yeah, but no, it's towards all people with blue eyes.
	Men and women.
	Yeah, but I mean, that's that.
	Do you see what it's like?
	Which is that most of them are women.
	So could they systemically be prejudiced towards all of the people who have blue eyes?
	I just don't think that the word prejudice is a personality.
	I just don't think that would be.
	They could be systemically misogynist.
	They can be systemically any ism that you want to give, but they can't be systemically prejudiced, right?
	I mean, I think that if you want to, like, go in that direction.
	Yeah, I mean, systemic discrimination includes prejudice.
	I'm just saying I don't think the prejudice is.
	So then prejudice can be systemic, right?
	I just don't think that that is the definition of prejudice.
	What is the definition of prejudice?
	I would say holding a belief about someone.
	It's more in the terms of like what you believe.
	So if a lot of people hold a belief about a lot of other people and it has nothing to do with their race or their sex or anything else, would you call that a prejudice?
	The prejudice is in the individual, though.
	It's not in.
	It's like each individual has.
	It's not societal.
	I don't understand.
	Why couldn't it be societal?
	It's not that it can't.
	I'm just saying that the.
	Well, then if it can.
	No, I'm saying.
	Then I don't understand how it's individual.
	I don't care.
	Because it exists within the individual.
	The individuals hold these biases.
	So does racism.
	Racism would exist within the individual.
	Well, yeah.
	I mean, I think.
	So then I don't understand how this is not systemic both ways.
	Because I think that that is the key difference between them is racism.
	My definition of racism is how that prejudice manifests on a systemic level.
	Prejudice is the word for the individual interaction, the individual discrimination against someone because of the biases you hold.
	They're interconnected.
	They're related.
	Why could that not be systemic, though?
	You still haven't made an argument for why that couldn't be systemic.
	I mean, you can go back and forth forever.
	I've already explained how I feel.
	Hold on, I do have to read a couple chats here just because they're about to fall off.
	One sec, guys.
	Well, hold on.
	I'll just read it.
	Kill of cereal, donate 100.
	Oh, my God, dude.
	Oh, my God.
	Okay, 6-1, 180K a year, fit, 8-inch peen, has a horrible world outlook, negative attitude in general.
	5'2, 30K a year, chubby, 4-inch peen, has a positive outlook, oozes confidence in swagger.
	Do you pick one or two?
	God, neither.
	Neither.
	You gotta pick one.
	Just pick one.
	I would never entertain either one.
	Yeah, neither.
	Two, I think.
	You're too far from the mic.
	I don't know.
	Neither.
	All right, Cyphered.
	Men are only valued if they are useful.
	Women are born with inherent value.
	If a woman works full-time during the key development phases of a child, do you think that child will be well-adjusted?
	Quick answer, please.
	Yes.
	Yes.
	I need to read the question again.
	I'm sorry.
	I read it.
	I'm sorry.
	There's too much coming in.
	Yes.
	Depends.
	I couldn't.
	I couldn't see the question.
	Maybe if you took your glasses off, you'd be able to do that.
	I don't know.
	I can't answer.
	Cool.
	All right.
	Can I just one last question?
	Wait, I'm sorry.
	Let me just read this, please.
	Okay, fair enough.
	Isaac, Luce has completely bombed in her feminist ramblings, and we're all cracking up in the chat.
	Now she's feeling awkward and put her jersey back on, and them shoulders aren't so high.
	Andrew Based AF.
	Sounds like you want to see your shoulders.
	Yeah.
	Sounds like you want to see my shoulders, bro.
	I don't know.
	There you have it, Isaac.
	Reverse cycle is.
	Andrew, you wanted to come in really quick on something?
	I've got a lot of chats.
	Let us assume for a second that there happened to be a religion which was out there that was being discriminated against via people being prejudiced towards the specific religion.
	Let's say it's a Middle Eastern area where this religion is being kind of systemically oppressed.
	Would you say that, I mean, would you say that a religion could be systemically oppressed?
	A religion?
	Yeah.
	It happens.
	Yeah, and would that be a form of prejudice?
	Or do you have a different name for that too?
	I just, they're different concepts.
	Prejudice, I've already explained.
	I honestly.
	No, I just want to know the answer to this one question.
	Can a religion be oppressed?
	And is that prejudice and can it be systemic?
	People who follow a certain religion can be oppressed because of their religion, and people can also be prejudiced against people of a certain religion.
	Yes.
	No, no.
	But if people are all prejudiced towards that certain religion, do you have a different name for it besides prejudice?
	Yes, because on the systemic level, I think that would be like, that would be discrimination.
	That would be, I don't know if there's a word.
	But if they're not discriminating, they just don't like them.
	They're in two different nations, totally.
	They're not discriminating against them at all.
	Then that would just be prejudiced.
	Then that would just be prejudice and it wouldn't be systemic.
	And could it be systemic?
	Why wouldn't it be systemic?
	If all of your systems of government were aligned to hate these people, like I can think of a conflict going on right now, we could apply this to.
	Well, then that would be discrimination.
	What's discriminatory?
	They're not discriminating.
	They're just hating them.
	All of the systems of government are aligned against them, and it's not discrimination.
	I don't think that's possible.
	I'm sorry.
	I don't think that's possible.
	It's not possible.
	No, I don't think you can have all the systems of government aligned against a certain group and have it not be discriminated.
	Moving on.
	Thank you.
	Okay.
	All right, Cyphered.
	White males, they are naturally classed as racist because of their skin color.
	Guilty until proven innocent.
	Hey, thank you, man.
	Appreciate it.
	Cool.
	Let's see.
	Hold on.
	Okay.
	Let me pull up.
	I'm going to go to the super chats over here really quick.
	Yo, Brian Johnson, it's officially the best spelled Brian there is.
	I'd like to say I appreciate both you and Andrew for pushing back.
	The world is turning to shit.
	Yeah, the optimal spelling of Brian is with an I. Thank you, man.
	Appreciate it.
	Polegic, 100.
	Never seen someone say so much while saying absolutely nothing at the same time.
	Thank you.
	Really appreciate your super chats, guys.
	Appreciate it.
	Thank you.
	Thank you for the TTSs also in the Streamlabs ones.
	Complex one.
	Prejudice is negative judgment without merit or evidence.
	Racism takes prejudice and empowers it with the ability to negatively affect the person due to whatever the prejudice is as a black man.
	Black people can be racist against white people under said criteria.
	Complex one.
	Thank you, man.
	Your message there.
	We'll get to the, I think that's the last one there.
	And then there's so many coming in.
	Sorry, guys, that we're kind of just trying to get through these as quickly as possible.
	I need to be considerate of the panel, but also the people that are contributing.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Hide it.
	Okay, Brian, where'd you get this little prepubescent boy in the yellow tank top?
	Looks like, whoa, what the fuck?
	Looks like he'd have the tattoo, no regrets on the chest.
	Shut STFU and listen to Andrew.
	He clearly knows more than you.
	Do you want to respond to that?
	It's valid.
	I do have small boobs.
	Thank you for pointing out.
	Okay.
	There you go.
	I'll get to the rest of the other ones really quick.
	Nick, can you pull up the Discord that Elon Musk image that we have?
	Do you know where to find it?
	I don't know where to find it.
	It's in the wall of whatever.
	Just pull it up.
	It's related to this.
	I'll try to move on.
	Can you get it fast, quick?
	All right.
	This is related to, because someone mentioned slavery.
	I don't know.
	This is Elon Musk over there on Twitter reacting to one of our clips.
	The literal origin of the word slave refers to white slaves.
	So kind of related to our conversation about slavery and white people.
	Elon Musk reacting to a clip there because this conversation has come up before.
	Wait, let's see.
	Okay, we got the Elon thing out of the way.
	We'll come to that later.
	So, okay, where do I?
	I think we should pull up the original Instagram DMs that we had between you and me.
	I would be too.
	Oh, it doesn't reveal anything.
	It's not about revealing.
	I just, I mean, I think what I mean, okay, okay.
	No, it's good.
	It's not bad.
	I just, no, I don't think it's bad.
	I just think generally a lot of these conversations, even if you look in the chat, like, are centered around maybe a more misogynistic perspective, such as just calling her a little boy, like a random chatter calling her a little boy.
	It's like obviously coming from a place of misogyny, which is how I felt at the time.
	I'm not responsible for what the chat says.
	I'm not blaming you currently.
	Like, I'm just saying I think that's a good idea.
	Can you just ask, say, judge us on how we treat you?
	That seems fair.
	I mean, yeah.
	I mean, yeah.
	See, that's treating someone in a rude manner.
	That is treating someone who's a man.
	I think that you being dismissive and me being dismissive of you being dismissive is treating me.
	How is that dismissive?
	It wasn't.
	Was that dismissive?
	It wasn't.
	I did not feel like that was dismissive.
	Personally, I'm sorry.
	Yeah.
	What is that?
	Don't think I said it was hating her.
	Now you are mocking me.
	Come on.
	But now you are mocking me.
	She didn't have another response to it.
	There's things that you can say that deserve to be mocked.
	All right, make it bigger, please, so I can maybe we can have Luce read it.
	Okay, sure.
	I mean, now I'm just going to get bombarded with people trying to like dox me and attack me.
	No one's going to dox me.
	No one's just, do you want to just read it?
	Okay.
	I would love to because I believe I could actually have a productive conversation despite the tacky appearance of the podcast.
	However, I value my privacy too much and would not want to be public in that way and will therefore decline.
	Say what you will about women and the criticisms of the age of new woman, but the reality is your entire production is founded on the exploitation and profitability of young women, women of color, and trying to downplay the women experience.
	But you're living proof of that hypocrisy.
	It's the over hypersexualization of women that you are also critical of while profiting off of, such as promoting OnlyFans while also criticizing OnlyFans.
	I've watched a few of your clips, and it seems majority of your responses are irrelevant to debate questions or specifically targeting a certain type of woman in order to make women overall appear uneducated.
	And that is coming from a fairly temper-minded individual who has been exposed to many political ideologies and who does not participate in something like OnlyFans.
	Not that there's anything wrong with it, but etc.
	I hope you at least acknowledge that the profitability of your work is no more dignified than any women's means of career.
	I'm just saying that there was nothing to debate that it was objective.
	So this show is objectively exploitative?
	I think so for sure.
	You're exploiting based off of women's opinions and objectifying women and feeding into the incel.
	Objectifying.
	Okay.
	I mean, it's kind of the incel mindset.
	What's the incel mindset?
	Well, a lot of podcast consumption.
	I'm sure there are so many holdings.
	Before I ask you questions, we'll just finish reading it.
	Oh, sorry.
	Of a person or considering their judgment, not influenced by personal feelings or opinion, considering and representing facts.
	Since it's a fact that you exploit aspects of sex work as clickbait and profit off of making a fool of women based on two facts, not influenced by my personal opinion, since you have no notion of my beliefs of sex work or otherwise, I would argue conclusively that that is objective.
	I see like clickbait clips of girls like bouncing or like zooming in on certain things.
	I mean, like I said, this was over a year ago and I'm sure your content has changed and evolved since then.
	But I would argue that a lot of the stuff that you're hyper-critical of is the same reason why your platform is so profitable.
	So you mean because there's OnlyFans girls that come on the show?
	I feel like you just didn't listen to anything that I just said.
	It's literally a little bit different.
	I listened to everything that you just said.
	And I don't know if you know this or not, but I actually take notes as we go.
	If you don't mind, I'll try to give Steelman your position back to you.
	You believe that it's profitable for Brian to bring on women because it's pandering to a certain subset of an audience that wants to watch women be humiliated and treated like garbage, and you believe that that's a profitable business model.
	Did I get that roughly correct?
	I'm paraphrasing poorly.
	Correct.
	What's that?
	Correct.
	Sorry.
	I'm sorry.
	You got to speak right into the mic.
	Correct.
	Oh, correct.
	Okay.
	Thank you.
	Yeah, yeah.
	No, no problem.
	Just understand I'm remote, so I can't hear you unless your mouth is close to the mic.
	So to respond to this, then why do they come on?
	I think they come on for, I'm sure everyone has all sorts of different reasons.
	Now, what do you think those reasons are?
	To promote maybe their social media platforms and try to profit themselves.
	I'm not saying that women can't profit from this.
	Just stick with the question.
	Why do you think they come on?
	I think they come on for either money, attention, to make a stand, to have discussions, I think to show off either their work or their opinions.
	Oh, it's a very strange criticism that a bunch of misogynist incel lunatics are allowing women to come on to give their opinion on various topics and subjects while the women profit from this.
	I didn't see that language that the criticism, hang on, I'm almost done.
	That the criticism is that this is all to placate these incels who are exploiting.
	Wait, Andrew, your audio is cutting out.
	Andrew, your audio is cutting out.
	You cut out.
	I just want to clarify, I did not use that language.
	Can I just ask, is everybody else just exhausted from this?
	Like, I personally just don't think any of this is productive in trying to make a difference for our generation and trying to change the horrible, what did you call it, hellish dating hellscape at the beginning of this podcast?
	Like, sure, we can keep arguing until the cows come home about literally everything.
	Yeah, I'd like to finish my conversation here, though.
	So, back to this.
	I would like to understand how it is that you just make a complete and total mockery, say that this is an incel podcast.
	It's pandering to a bunch of misogynists who are trying to exploit women for their own personal benefit.
	And then, when I ask you, why is it that the women come on, you say it's because they want to exploit all of these incel men?
	That's actually what your argument is.
	That's also just, I just, I completely agree with you.
	Like, I agreed to come on this podcast today because it was catered on a non-political aspect of dating life.
	Um, when in the past, the past panel that I was asked to join was actually discussing OnlyFans and corn.
	Me killer.
	I am not in that.
	I didn't know you were a model.
	You did a great job of allowing yourself to be made a fool of, including by yourself.
	I've never done OF.
	Yeah, I've never done that.
	I think so, but I've never done that.
	I've never done corn.
	And that was the podcast that I was doing.
	But then if it's non-political, and that was what your take was that this was totally non-political.
	There's no political takes whatsoever.
	Why did you send that DM?
	I didn't.
	Okay, that was over a year ago, and I was asked to be on a podcast about the corn industry and OF, or it was discussions around that.
	And it was a clip I had just seen.
	Okay, go back to the podcast that you were making in that section.
	I'm not sure if you're going to appear on like a specific episode.
	We send out like a shotgun approach.
	We'll just blast out invitations.
	Also, a lot of people reach out.
	Gotta get a new mic word.
	Hold on.
	People will reach out to us too to be on the show.
	Yeah.
	For example, we do outreach, but we all, again, people, you asked to be on the show, correct?
	Yes.
	You asked to be on the show, correct?
	Yeah.
	You asked to be on the show, correct?
	You asked to be on the show, correct?
	So I don't know what the exact breakdown is.
	Let's just say it's 50-50.
	50% of people request to be on the show.
	50% of the people we do outreach invite them on the show.
	So.
	Yeah, I just, I don't really understand what the basis of the question is even asking me.
	At that time, you've made some very strong accusations that the podcast is exploitative.
	I think that a lot of social media is exploitative.
	I mean, in its entirety.
	Are you being exploited right now?
	No, I had full autonomy to be here.
	Me personally, I don't feel exploited.
	I do think to some capacity.
	It's just those other dumb women, though.
	Okay, absolutely not what I'm saying.
	Right.
	So then what's your complaint?
	Guys, this was a year ago.
	Why are you arguing with me about...
	Has your opinion changed?
	I'm here, obviously.
	i was willing to have like these i just i think it's like i don't think you're I think people are being exploited in the sense of maybe shutting down conversations or speaking over our actual opinions.
	Like, in my opinion, I do think a lot of podcasts are centralized around female exploitation.
	There's a reason why you have predominantly female guests instead of male guests.
	That's the format of the show.
	Yeah, why?
	It's interesting because it's interesting to hear.
	For the same reason that you'll see women create safe space shows, well, they'll only have one guest and maybe five women.
	Like, let's see, the view.
	Is the view being discriminatory and exploitative of men because five women get to give their opinions all day long while the men have to basically suffer through all that nonsense?
	Suffer through all that nonsense.
	That just showed to me your perspective.
	Now, answer my question.
	No, but that shows you have the view and only have men on.
	Is that for them to placate a bunch of harlots and skanks?
	Like you called this chat a bunch of incels?
	I mean, okay.
	We don't have to say exploitative, but you cannot deny that you are financially benefiting from OnlyFans girls.
	Hold on, how many OnlyFans girls are on the panel right now?
	Shove him.
	Two.
	No, raise your hands high.
	Kindly, high.
	Yeah, but every single.
	Okay, everybody else on the panel is not on OnlyFans.
	So what's your argument?
	Well, you intend to.
	And actually, you two have been talking the most, and you guys don't have OnlyFans, but go ahead.
	No, I know, but you do financially benefit from sex workers, OnlyFans girls, things like that.
	Being on the show, they're the main draw.
	No, they're not.
	Okay.
	Oh, wait.
	I'll let you have that one.
	I'll let you have that one.
	And it was the main draw of the show to allow sex workers to come on so that their ideology and the things that they're doing could be tangled with.
	Are you saying that sex workers are too stupid to defend their own ideology?
	Absolutely not.
	I didn't say anything about that.
	Okay, great.
	Then what is the problem?
	I didn't say there was a problem.
	I said he's financially benefiting from the exact thing that he's critiquing.
	And that's fine.
	I mean, like, people are coming on here for money as well.
	I think that that's fine.
	It's a reciprocal relationship.
	But the whole, like, the world is going to shit.
	Oh, women are wayward.
	I mean, you're making money.
	You're getting sent thousands of dollars for these wayward women being on here.
	Oh, it's terrible.
	I didn't say it was exactly.
	I didn't say it was exploitative.
	No, they absolutely have autonomy, but the incels are trying to exploit them while we're exploiting the incels.
	When did I say it was exploitative?
	When did I say it was exploitative?
	She did.
	You might have exploited.
	She seems to be defending it.
	Yeah, she did.
	She did.
	And the thing is, is like, you did agree with it.
	You piggybacked off of the argument and you literally started with, there's no doubt that you're profiting off of these girls.
	You're doing this podcast for money.
	That's not an argument.
	They're saying it's exploitative because women will come on here and try and voice their opinion.
	And just in my experience and observation of the show, we get talked over quite a lot and we don't really get to say what we want to.
	There's no probing questions.
	We don't really ask each other probing questions.
	There's not really like a discussion for understanding of each other here.
	Right.
	Did anybody over talk you?
	You, a lot.
	You multiple times.
	Absolutely frequently.
	Wow.
	Okay.
	It didn't happen one time, so it never happened.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, well, the thing is, is that there's one of me and there's how many of you?
	And in order for us to keep a show, a format intact, we have to move.
	Bam, So I'm going to have to cut in from time to time.
	Otherwise, I can't get my points in.
	I think I'd be doing $200.
	Women like Blondie hate whatever because it shows the world how stupid women are.
	Disavowed.
	Exactly.
	That's the kind of people who send you money.
	Simps waking up to Chad Reality.
	That's my point.
	Again, I just don't think any of this is really productive.
	I like the fact that we have a very fast.
	I'm sorry, that's a meta-conversation.
	I'm sorry.
	Look, I got to read a couple of these chats because they're about to fall off.
	Hold on.
	Sorry, some of these might have felt race is real, sports diseases, bone structure, ism.
	Is the game duped into demonizing pattern recognition for feels?
	White women are 4% of the world's population.
	You're actually the minority, okay?
	DBE, thank you, man.
	Appreciate it.
	I'm going to just get caught up.
	How many, what is RUB?
	Is that rubles?
	Like Russian rubles?
	R-U-B?
	I don't know.
	I think so.
	What?
	I'll have to figure that out.
	David Serziak, I've been at the counter of black barbecue place and told my favorite ribs were not available, but the lady behind them got them.
	I don't care.
	Brush my shoulder because of the history of black.
	What?
	What?
	Okay.
	Okay.
	And then he, wait, he sent it again?
	I was told best ribs of the barbecue place, they were out and lady behind me got them.
	He's really mad about those ribs.
	I brushed it off because I understand the old black lady experienced racism at the counter.
	Or she put in an order for pickup.
	Either or.
	Okay.
	We have Sleepy Bear here.
	We're living through a racist time right now in history.
	To say you cannot be racist towards a race based on skin color is a purely racist statement.
	If you say that you are the racist, okay.
	Hold on, let me just check.
	Rubles, is that Russian?
	That is Russian, yes.
	Rube 200 to USD.
	Very much money.
	That's two.
	Just a heads up, guys, through Streamlabs, if you want it read or even through TTS, it has to be in USD.
	It has to be in USD.
	So I think we're caught up there on those.
	Hold on, guys.
	Like, subscribe.
	One sec.
	Hit that notification bell.
	Actually, speaking of which, guys, go to twitch.tv slash whatever.
	Twitch.tv slash whatever.
	Drops a follow in the Prime sub if you have one.
	Twitch.tv slash whatever.
	Loose pussy energy donated two hundred dollars.
	These bad faith three hundred and fours can't stop fucking capping.
	Get the fuck up out of here.
	There's a guy named Abdul that would play this bullshit game with them.
	Hashtag get the rocks.
	Hashtag CastleTime hashtag exploit these nutstumbish shizz.
	Can I ask what a 304 is?
	Area code.
	I think it's an area code or something.
	I don't know.
	I'm confused too.
	Loose.
	Loose.
	Loose his name.
	Yeah, but like whose side is he on?
	I'm so confused.
	No, why he's saying exploit.
	I just, I'm, whatever.
	It doesn't matter.
	Let's move on.
	Hold on.
	And I think you were also making some statements.
	I don't know to who if it was making some people like behind the scenes or whatever.
	You also think that the podcast is misogynistic.
	Yes, that is my opinion, and it's okay if you disagree.
	Okay.
	Well, first, killer of cereal data than you.
	$200.
	Aren't you here on your own accord?
	Didn't you get rules before show?
	So you don't feel exploited.
	But want to use the podcast to exploit your opinions about how all men bad while disrespecting rules.
	Personally, I love men.
	Yeah, some of my culture.
	You know, like I love having male relationships, and I think that there's a heavy discrepancy of me having one single opinion of something and then you guys telling me I have a hundred other opinions when you don't know.
	I think what I'm hearing you say is there's an overemphasis on trying to just generally in the social media space today stir up division and anger and own the other people.
	Look, I saw a chat come through earlier today.
	I just feel like the world is going to shit.
	I think we can look at the world like that.
	There's a whole lot of negative that we could be focusing on in terms of just how empty our world has become, largely because of the lies of culture that have been allowed to thrive and that division that's been allowed to thrive.
	But what I love about this podcast, with my own experience that I've been here about a year ago, and I wrote about this in my book, is that we did have those probing conversations and those probing questions.
	Even tonight, in the midst of all of this crazy division, I saw so many positive things being said around the table today that you love men, that we think men have it really difficult in society today.
	We need to address that problem.
	That you want to get married, that you want to have kids, that you think modern feminism has become very problematic and you don't subscribe to that ideology.
	Those are dramatically unifying countercultural things for our generation.
	We can, of course, focus on all of the crazy chats that come through and all of the negativity and all of that.
	But I feel really hopeful about this conversation because even though we're all dramatically different people, I'm watching a big group of young Americans from across every aspect of the cultural and political spectrum basically give a middle finger to American culture today and say, we don't want to keep living like this.
	And that's powerful.
	So you can choose to say the world is going to shit and focus on that, or you can wake up and realize there are so many people waking up to the realities of the lies of culture that we're living in, and we can work together to create a more productive system moving forward.
	How in the world is that what you see?
	Wow, these leftist women going to be able to do that.
	Okay, wait, wait, wait, wait.
	I just want to say that I really appreciate that you've reiterated.
	I'm not going to take the terms and phrases.
	They're going absolutely ape shit.
	This one starts by saying it's a bunch of misogynist incels who are supporting the show.
	Then have to be aware of that.
	I completely agree with you.
	Thank you.
	Anyone doesn't know what a social construction is?
	Why are you blowing smoke up these women's asses?
	I'm not blowing smoke up anybody, to be honest with you, Andrew, but I am a big believer that the culture of social media that's existed for a long time.
	I do this as a political and religious and cultural content creator for a living.
	So I get the controversy.
	It's very tempting to do the own the libs thing and go viral for five seconds on Twitter.
	But how much is that actually productive in winning a culture war?
	It's highly productive.
	In winning a culture war in our country.
	These are not your friends.
	These women would shame you off of a campus.
	I would not change you.
	I would leave you destroy your life in five seconds.
	They don't give a shit about you.
	Wait, I've got something here.
	I've got something here.
	Isabelle, are you pro-life or pro-choice?
	I am very proudly pro-life.
	Womb to tomb, baby.
	Does anybody have a major problem with that?
	I can respect your opinion.
	But you disagree with her ideology.
	I totally respect that for you.
	But she wants to take back your right.
	I think it's weird to tell other people what's in the world.
	And I'm not fighting against that.
	But see, this is a great opportunity to start a dialogue and realize nine in 10 voters under the age of 45 in America believe there should be at least some restrictions on the abortion industry.
	That's a dramatically different picture than what you see in one Twitter post or one TikTok video or what one presidential candidate might say.
	That's a lot of common ground for us to start a great dialogue about.
	And that's exactly what I'm seeing tonight.
	Look, we have very different worldviews.
	Some of you don't want to have children.
	I'm very excited about having children.
	And I think that's a beautiful aspect of womanhood that's often being erased from society.
	Some of you are creators on OnlyFans.
	I personally don't agree with that particular life choice.
	I'm curious to unpack why you do that and if there's a path for you to get off the platform.
	I would love to talk about that.
	But I'm the first person to acknowledge that owning each other and creating content specifically designed to demonize each other does absolutely nothing to get us on the first step to having that conversation in the first place.
	And what I love about this podcast historically is we've had the opportunity to do just that, to say, hey, I'm really not okay with where culture is at today.
	I might disagree with you on how we got here.
	I might disagree with you on where we're going forward, but we can never create a path forward if we don't just sit and acknowledge that we're all miserable in what leftism has done for society.
	And that's what I've heard throughout the entire conversation tonight.
	We're miserable that society has demonized marriage.
	We're miserable that society has demonized children.
	We're miserable about the pornography industry, which is a powerful thing that nobody likes to talk about.
	Everybody just says, ah, Gen Z is this degenerate, horrible leftist culture.
	That's not what I'm hearing tonight.
	People need to really acknowledge the bad things that come with porn.
	You can't just brush everything off and act like everything's fine.
	I completely agree with you.
	Like there are like negatives that come with porn, just like anything else.
	There is a huge porn problem.
	There's a huge porn consumption problem.
	There's a huge problem with men being depressed and not knowing how to talk to women problem.
	There's like a huge problem with it.
	There's a huge problem with women doing things or like getting into situations that they don't really like necessarily would be okay with.
	It's a huge thing.
	So I guess I'm just interested in doing something a bit more productive with our time.
	We could create common ground.
	We could actually try to change some minds.
	We could talk about the controversial issues.
	I mean, and I think Andrew might actually agree with me here.
	I actually don't think I'll be able to change any of the girls' minds on anything.
	I'm actually, whenever I have people on the show, I'm actually never really, really interested in changing the mind of who's across from me.
	I'm interested in reaching them.
	I'm interested in reaching the audience.
	So they send you money, right?
	No, Don't be disingenuous.
	I'm interested in changing their mind.
	Well, let me give you a great example of how you've done that in the last couple of weeks.
	A week ago, I had a beautiful young woman on my live stream named Nala Ray.
	Just a few months ago, Nala went viral on this podcast as a top 0.01% OnlyFans creator saying that she was physically sexually attracted to the idea of cheating on other men.
	In the last few months, Nala has completely broken the internet by leaving that entire lifestyle behind.
	She was baptized in a Christian church.
	She deleted her OnlyFans content.
	She deleted thousands of illicit photos and videos off the internet.
	She has left that life behind, much to the ridicule and disbelief of a lot of people on the internet.
	And after a debate with me, by the way, conveniently, I have to stop the fame.
	None of the losers opposite you do.
	I need to say, Andrew is right.
	You are best served to bring them to your level, not sink to thes.
	Well, yeah, that's exactly what we're trying to do: bring people to a new level and start that conversation.
	But Nala's dramatic transformation has inspired quite literally hundreds of millions of people all over the world to stop and ask the question: wow, how can you have a comparison side by side of being viral on the whatever podcast saying it's kinky to cheat on people and five seconds later get baptized and delete all of that content off of your platform?
	No.
	That is catering to both your audience and to the individuals on the platform.
	I just don't think it's mutually exclusive.
	So I'm inspired to see those conversations.
	Listen, here's what actually happened.
	Post-a debate, after I rep Nala, she's sitting basically exactly where the gal is sitting there who's uh who has the red hair, basically sitting right there.
	She went and reevaluated her life after she sat on this podcast and said that she sends money to her father, who is a preacher.
	And I said, What kind of father who's a preacher would ever allow that?
	Suddenly on Michael Knoll's show, she says, Wait, my parents disowned me.
	Two very conflicting stories, by the way.
	But okay, well, grant that that is true.
	What it's created is a lined division right down the middle of people trying to determine what Christianity is and is not, who's allowed in, who is allowed not in.
	That is a fantastic conversation, but to say it's not completely polarizing, that's what it is.
	It's totally polarizing.
	It has not brought people together.
	Oh, I highly disagree with that.
	It brought people together.
	Just because something is controversial doesn't mean it can't bring people together.
	I've seen more productive dialogue about the role of faith in our generation's lifetime and culture in the role of OnlyFans and whether or not it's something we should have a mass exodus from within our generation in the last two weeks because of Nala's transformation story than anything else I've ever seen.
	And largely that started from a clip of your podcast, Brian.
	So I think that's incredible, right?
	Because that's catering to an audience, but that's also catering to a generation of creators and people who are willing to put themselves out there.
	They're not mutually exclusive.
	It's not mutually exclusive.
	But the thing is, is no, it's one of the most polarizing issues I've ever seen in my life.
	If you look at Twitter and the polarization, which has happened behind it, who believes her, who doesn't believe her, what's actually going on here.
	Yes, it is true that it sparked a conversation, but it's a very polarized conversation.
	Okay, but that doesn't mean it has not created kumbaya by imagination.
	It's because people are engaging directly in argumentation.
	And for the first time, these ideologies are being taken on, and people aren't used to seeing that.
	That's what's going on.
	And so you do see a polarization completely disagree with this take.
	Well, I'm not sure.
	I think you're a nice person.
	I think you're on our side, but I think that this take is incorrect.
	All right, fair.
	Agree to disagree.
	But I just think polarization doesn't have to be mutually exclusive from a productive path moving forward.
	Polarization can be a beautiful thing because it forces us to examine our conscience.
	And that's exactly what's happened here.
	So I would love to do that in the next several minutes of the podcast with you guys, talk about some of those polarizing issues that we might disagree on, but at least create an opportunity for productive dialogue moving forward if we don't have any questions.
	I'll try my best.
	I got a couple things I need to finish up on, so we'll try our best here.
	And we do have some chats coming in.
	I do want to wrap up.
	We were starting to talk about misogyny, and it was your view that this podcast is misogynistic.
	Is that correct?
	I don't want to put words in your mouth.
	I think that a lot of the conversations surround discrediting misogyny and essentially criticizing women on a hypercritical lens.
	I mean, I'm not saying specifically you, but I would say, as you were saying, with the mass implication of media, I do think a lot of commenters or a lot of conversations are sparked in misogyny because it is a controversial topic and it's a topic that can be very reactionary for women.
	When I asked the question earlier, didn't you just outright say, Yeah, I think the podcast is misogynistic?
	That was, I was reading from what I had said a year ago and the notion of.
	So didn't you tell my staff that the podcast, Nick, did you?
	I said I was blocked on Instagram because I called that podcast misogynistic.
	I don't even think in your original messages, did you even say misogynist?
	Yes, I did.
	If you want to pull it up, we could.
	We could pull it up again really quick, just so I can scan it.
	Nick, I mostly zoned in on exploitation.
	There's a lot of exploitation, young women, women of color, hyper, it's up.
	I don't know if I saw an accusation of actual misogyny.
	I'm sure my prospect of downplaying the woman experience was centralized around misogyny.
	Yes.
	So but correct me if I'm wrong, but I do think you indicated either behind the scenes, in messages, or even on the show that you view the podcast, I don't know if it's myself, as misogynistic.
	Yes.
	And then I think you did too.
	Yeah, I mean, can I ask you, like, sorry, can I ask you like a question and you respond to it, engage with it like in good faith and so genuinely.
	Well, allow me to ask a couple of my questions first, but you think that the podcast is misogynistic?
	I believe that you benefit from misogyny, and I think that it has misogynistic.
	From misogyny.
	Well, here's my question.
	I'm just going to ask it.
	Well, hold on.
	I'm in the middle of.
	Well, you asked me a question.
	My question is in response to what you just asked.
	Why do you think it is that every person who sends you money is saying something misogynistic if you don't benefit from it?
	Are you new to the internet?
	Like, do you realize how when you have anonymity and you have just total on YouTube, these are all anonymous people?
	Super toxic.
	I don't co-sign.
	I even said I disagree.
	I don't care.
	But I'm asking why.
	I mean, none of it's like, say, anti-Semitic.
	None of it's like other isms that we could do with our anonymity.
	It's all sexism and misogyny.
	So why do you think those people are watching you and sending you money, if not you benefiting from misogyny and stoking that for your own personal benefit?
	Well, I think you're making a lot of assumptions there.
	No, I mean, you can reality.
	You can read the comments and say they're misogynist.
	If you say they're not, that doesn't make sense.
	We're doing a live.
	Fine.
	Then all the commenters who comment on your behalf are misandris then.
	Sure.
	Go for it.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	Well, yeah, that makes a lot of sense, right?
	Again, everything's anonymous.
	As a man, I don't know how to take responsibility for what other people say.
	So I can have a conversation about the things that I discuss on the podcast, but I can't beat like I'll know how to be responsible for what somebody else says, especially somebody who says it anonymously.
	No, I didn't say you were responsible for it, but I think you benefit from it and you intentionally engage with those clients and you stoke that kind of discussion.
	Did you say you consider yourself a feminist?
	I do.
	Okay.
	So you benefit from a Massandra system.
	Now, I've been on podcast.
	I have, you were talking about systemic.
	What was the other word you used?
	There's systemic, and then there's another word I'm trying to remember.
	Institutional?
	Institutional.
	So I have one podcast.
	You're a feminist.
	I have absolutely no power compared to the absolute goliath that is feminism.
	You're laughing.
	Every single university in this country has a feminist studies program, a woman studies program, a gender studies program.
	Every single university, all these universities are systems, and these systems have $100 million endowments.
	That's what I'm up against.
	You guys have all the power.
	Feminism has all the power.
	It has infiltrated all the institutions, institutions of higher education, government, media, corporations.
	Do you think my message is the mainstream?
	I'm the counter culture.
	No, I don't.
	I don't think it's culture.
	I'm the counterculture.
	You, as a feminist, possess all the systemic and institutional power in this country.
	I would disagree with that.
	I think that's the same thing.
	How is that?
	In government, in media, in corporations, in the higher education system, feminism has 100% control.
	It is the status quo.
	How can you sit here and say that?
	And feminism preaches an absolutely man-hating ideology.
	The core tenant, the core tenant of feminism is the patriarchy theory, which in my view is an absurd conspiracy theory.
	What would you say the patriarchy theory is?
	I mean, there's different definitions of it.
	It's this idea that men hold all the power, women are precluded from having any power, and that men as a class are oppressors and women are the oppressed.
	If that's what you're teaching people in these systems, in this systems of education, you're teaching women to have absolute contempt and hatred towards men if you're teaching women that they are oppressed and that men are the fault of that and that men are the oppressors.
	You hold all the cards.
	You hold all the power.
	So what do you think we should be teaching women?
	Well, I think that the first thing is that if you experience any sort of ridicule whatsoever from a dynamic that you don't disparage them, instead you hear what they have to say.
	In this particular case, Brian points out something which is very interesting.
	Who holds the institutional power?
	Is it the incel or the feminist?
	You tell me.
	I would say that N cells do not hold any institutional power, but I would say this is also getting away from my original question, which was, I mean, like it's not a question.
	It's more of a statement.
	You benefit from misogyny.
	It doesn't matter who has the institutional power.
	You benefit from money.
	You benefit from misogyny.
	If you didn't, you wouldn't be here right now.
	Do I benefit from misogyny?
	You must, because your claim here is that a bunch of misogynists are having you on to spread your message.
	I mean, I guess in that way, I do benefit from it.
	I guess you benefit from the picture.
	So you admit that he also benefits from it.
	He also benefits from it, right?
	I don't even know what that argument is, though.
	I'll let you reclassify the word to misogyny as long as you say that a bunch of patriarchist misogynists are benefiting you by allowing your message to go out to them.
	Go ahead and say that for us.
	I mean, the thing is, my message is not going out to a sympathetic crowd right now.
	I mean, you can see who's watching and who's sending money.
	No one who's listening is going to, I didn't know what this podcast was when they invited me on.
	I was in the middle of the day.
	Hang on.
	That's also incorrect, just so you know.
	Hang on.
	Let me just give you some framing.
	I understand what your framing is.
	Steelmanning it back.
	Hey, I understand, but I'm in a hostile crowd.
	But you're really not.
	You might be in a hostile crowd right now with the chat, which is currently right here.
	However, millions of people will likely see the clips that come off of this podcast, and you will get a sympathetic ear from that.
	And I also don't buy that you didn't know what this podcast was.
	I'm sure that you seem like you're the type who's diligent and does your research.
	Are you not that kind?
	I don't watch podcasts.
	I don't know.
	You don't.
	So you just agree blindly to just whatever anybody offers you?
	Hold on.
	Okay.
	No, wait, yes?
	No, no, no, no.
	Did you just say yes?
	Would you like to move on or would you like me to respond?
	No, no, no.
	I would like to just finish this real quick.
	I'm almost done.
	Okay, all right.
	That was a joke.
	I don't actually.
	No, okay, you don't actually.
	So you didn't do any of your due diligent research before going on a podcast.
	You didn't have no idea what was going to happen.
	He had no idea that this was a dating podcast where it's an adversarial relationship between the males and the females.
	He had no clue.
	No, it was marketed as a dating podcast, but I kind of just did it because it sounded fun.
	I mean, I don't, the fact that it's hostiles.
	Go ahead.
	Final thing, and I'll go.
	I was just going to say, I'm not saying that, you know, so this is what you do.
	This is your, I'm, my only point was that you benefit from people's misogynistic viewpoints.
	And if I benefit from that, so you said you do, too, as well, right?
	Sure.
	On this day, I'm benefiting from it, but only one of us has the podcast and does it continually.
	I'm just a guest benefiting from it.
	How could you blame a bunch of misogynist, patriarchist lunatics for promoting?
	Can you center, please?
	Okay.
	Like, can you center?
	No, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	How can you blame a bunch of evil misogynists for allowing you to get your message out there?
	Does that sound like misogyny?
	I mean, yeah, because they're benefiting from the misogynists who are watching.
	But you're also benefiting from the misogyny.
	I already admitted to that.
	Sure.
	Today I'm making money.
	How is this even a criticism then?
	I don't even think that's good.
	Wouldn't this mean that misogyny was good?
	Wouldn't you mean misogyny is good if you're benefiting from it?
	I can't.
	I don't even really understand.
	Doc Vinabli donated $200 to paraphrase Rush Limbaugh, the whatever podcast is equal time pushing back against the systemic misandry of feminism.
	Evidence, The Boy Crisis by Farrell.
	Very well put, Doc Vinablis.
	My Rush Limbaugh was dead.
	I just think it's weird that it seems like Yeah, he is after he destroyed an entire culture of progressive scumbags.
	Can you hear me?
	Can you hear me?
	Another.
	Can you hear me?
	Devon Jackson donated $200.
	As someone who's sent as much, if not more, money to this podcast than anyone, I can assure you I've never said anything misogynistic.
	So from the bottom of my heart, fuck you.
	The individual, not the woman.
	So, okay, you're saying that I benefit, but what is really...
	Thank you, Davon.
	What...
	I don't really understand your argument here because, like, let's say, for example, Joe Biden received political contributions from a radical feminist group that hates men.
	Which he does.
	Sure, sure.
	Like, does that mean that just because he receives the support of a radical group that he necessarily, and look, I don't want to get into Joe Biden's views on shit, but does that mean that he co-signs those views because he has received the support of said group?
	And we've seen this a lot from Trump, where Trump will get an endorsement from somebody who's a radical in some way.
	And then that is somehow, it must mean it's a reflection on Donald Trump's precise political views and ideology when that's not the case.
	So I'm just not really sure what your argument is.
	I didn't say you were co-signing it, that your own opinions on women are your own.
	But I mean, my only argument is not your benefit.
	Grid One donated $200.
	Okay.
	I rebuke the claim of misogyny.
	However, I will call stupid stupid and would prefer brutal honesty to comfortable lies.
	I can see why you would not.
	The patriarchy is here to help you, not Brixon.
	Thank you, Grid One Motorsports.
	Appreciate it.
	Okay.
	So you view the podcast as misogynistic.
	Anyone here else think the podcast is misogynistic?
	I don't really watch it, so I am not able to determine that.
	Look, I just want to say this, and I'll make it quick.
	I find it weird that a lot of your audience seems to either— I wouldn't say that they hate women, but it's, like, women that do, like, OnlyFans or, like, sex work, and then they pay a lot of money just so they can, like, insult women.
	And that's odd to me.
	I'm not saying what everyone else at the table is saying, but I'm saying that that is negative.
	Exclude the viewers, exclude the audience.
	Of the things that are discussed on the podcast, do you view the podcast as misogynistic?
	No.
	Okay, but you two do.
	So I have a question.
	You use the word.
	How do you def split, please?
	Okay.
	How do you define misogyny?
	I would say that it's not opinion-based, rather, the instigating of anti-woman concepts.
	So anytime you ask a question, there's kind of an automatic rebuttal.
	So you're going into it of, oh, well, women should do this, but shouldn't do this.
	And women should feel this way, but they feel this way.
	Or putting words into everyone's mouths, I think, kind of promotes this idea of misogyny.
	Obviously, it's a blanket term, and I do feel as it was overused, and I apologize.
	But I do think to some capacity, benefiting off of the hatred or...
	You're not answering the question.
	Okay.
	Okay, my perspective of misogyny.
	I define misogyny as expressing hatred towards women from a gender standpoint rather than an objective opinion or material matter, such as hating on a woman for how she looks, telling a woman that she is incompetent or dumb, more based on to tell an incompetent person they're incompetent?
	Not that I've done that, but happily support a podcast that's promoting celibacy, virginity and lifetime godly marriages.
	We're supporting because we understand we're steering the culture in a positive direction.
	That's what we should be doing.
	Yeah.
	Thank you, DBE.
	Thank you, Matt.
	And I think I loved your conversation.
	And I think we often get boxed into this idea of I have to have this opinion or I have to have this other opinion just because we perceive one thing said as a certain way.
	I think being called bratty for having my own opinion is highlighted in misogyny.
	I think if I were a man, a lot of my opinions would be perceived in a different way.
	So I think that misogyny is more...
	Well, yeah, we would assume he would be making sound arguments and we would take his...
	That is misogyny.
	If you assume I would be making sound arguments because I was a man, that is misogynistic.
	Yeah, I mean, you really just are digging yourself into a bad thing.
	What do you mean?
	What do I mean?
	You're really, if I were a man.
	I've never made a single good argument all night.
	So if I was a man, you would assume I would be making sound arguments, but because I'm a woman, I can't make a sound argument.
	Do you know why the precondition applies here?
	Because we've listened to her rational arguments.
	How many women also donate to this podcast?
	Are they in so misogynistic to generate men because they are female?
	Changing a perspective from a debate isn't misogynistic.
	The change was already in you.
	Right.
	That chatter's right.
	Wait, hold on, hold on, hold on.
	Sorry, hold on, hold on.
	Hold on, hold on.
	Kill a cereal.
	Thank you.
	Just to prove his point, I have a chat that's about to come in here from conservative Latina.
	Thank you.
	Love seeing Isabelle on the pod.
	You're an awesome girl.
	Cue for the girls.
	Can women be sexist towards men?
	How would you feel if you heard men saying, I hate all women like women do?
	Also, Christ is king.
	Thank you, conservative Latina.
	I'll ask that question a little bit later.
	I'll get back to that, though.
	I have it written down.
	Thank you.
	Or Andrew, you had.
	Go ahead.
	Yeah, what I was saying specifically is we've only judged you on the merits of what you've said in the arguments that you've made.
	If you've acted like a brat, I don't recall calling you one.
	I didn't call you one.
	And Brian, I don't recall calling you one either.
	No, no, no.
	I didn't say you guys.
	I was saying from the chat, it's okay for people to pursue.
	Yeah, but why is it that the people who tune into the show, you're so adamant about, you're having the discussion with us.
	Who's viewing it should be irrelevant to that.
	They're going to judge you on your arguments as well.
	And you know what?
	That's the most fair way to do things.
	Do you think that when I'm in debates with these massive liberal progressives all over the internet that I'm not getting judged by their audience?
	Because I am.
	And the last thing I say is, oh my God, they're judging me as terrible.
	That's ridiculous.
	Make the arguments and let's engage with them.
	What's the name of this live?
	So I don't know if I got a clear answer on this.
	How do you define misogyny?
	I just feel like no matter what I say, my opinion's going to be wrong.
	So I just, I would love to start having a conversation like even with you about these other things.
	Can you just engage really quick?
	I just, what do you want me to engage in?
	Because I'm constantly being shut down.
	You got interrupted.
	There was an interruption from the TTS.
	Just if we can do split neck.
	So just how do you define misogyny?
	I define misogyny as exactly what he said to me.
	If I were a man, if I were a man, I would be making sound arguments.
	I believe misogyny is defined.
	That's not what I said.
	You did say it.
	Did he say that or did he not say that?
	Just so you know, so you understand I was granting your worldview.
	Okay.
	And I was saying because the precondition is you think that if you were a man, you'd be making sound arguments.
	That's what my point was.
	Okay.
	I'm sorry if I misunderstood you.
	My opinion of misogyny.
	I'll apologize if I wasn't.
	No, no, don't worry.
	That's my bad.
	Misogyny is founded in discrediting certain opinions or perspectives by being equated to woman-ness.
	So when a woman is loud, she's aggressive.
	But when a man is loud, he is a boss.
	He is a leader.
	Those are misogynistic perspectives in society.
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	Dollar Store Blondie, we have listened to your inaccurate, trite, and wandering prattle all night.
	Perhaps you feel guilty about how you live your life in sin, acting a victim, and being argumentative.
	Maybe, but a perfect example of misogyny is how am I more argumentative than you two?
	Do you see my perspective?
	Yeah, but that person.
	Between the two of us, you've said twice as much as I have, and I've been discussing things with you.
	Big Energy donated $200.
	Misogyny is literally disagreeing with the money.
	That's not at all what I think.
	If we don't stop this BS now, they lock us up for it.
	The hour is late, gentlemen.
	That's right.
	Disagreeing with women.
	You know, it's going to be a felony pretty soon, guys.
	That is not at all what I think.
	I don't hate all men.
	I love many men.
	Do you believe in the patriarchy theory?
	Or do you believe that there's a patriarchy?
	It is objective that our society is patriarchal.
	It's objective.
	We literally are defined in every history book as a patriarchal society.
	Stinky Fingers donated $200.
	Not being able to adequately annotate your opinions as a speaker in this podcast does not infirm misogyny.
	Okay.
	This is your moment to be heard, and as guests, failing to be correct says something about you.
	Okay, Sticky Fingers, thank you.
	How do you define misogyny?
	The hatred of women.
	Okay, so how have I hated women?
	Women?
	I didn't say you did.
	I said you're benefiting from the hatred of women.
	No, but you said the podcast.
	Okay, but that's a different conversation.
	You mean like saying you said that the podcast is misogynist?
	So are you by your own admission?
	That makes you a misogynist.
	Don't engage.
	Don't engage on that.
	Maybe I should rethink my phrasing there then, because I think saying the podcast is misogynist implies that you are a misogynist and you're out with the intention to degrade women and whatever.
	And whether or not I believe that, I'm not going to accuse you of that.
	So if that's what you're defining the podcast as being misogynist as, I would say maybe it's not.
	But you are without a doubt, you can't even deny that you are benefiting from people who have negative opinions of women and negative biases towards women.
	Whether that makes the podcast itself misogynist, I guess, is up for debate.
	Like, I don't know.
	Wait, so I have a question.
	Yeah.
	If a National Socialist, do you have like a Cash App or a Venmo or something?
	Do and they were to just send you do you are you in content creation at all or?
	A little bit.
	Do you have any like a link tree that links your Cash App or Venmo or anything like that?
	Let's just say they found it and the National Socialist sent you $200.
	You're benefiting from a Nazi.
	Yeah, but I think there's a difference between someone.
	So what's the, who, okay, so?
	Okay.
	Okay, so these people who are sending you money are frequent viewers.
	They like your content.
	They engage with it.
	They enjoy it.
	They come back for more.
	If someone were to randomly find me and send me $200 just because whatever reason, that's not the same thing.
	It's not comparable.
	Like, these people are your fans.
	They are your viewers.
	They most likely agree with a good portion of what you say.
	Otherwise, they wouldn't be watching.
	You go to UCSB, right?
	I do.
	So you pay tuition to UCSB?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	So I would argue that the feminist studies program at UCSP, and all, you know, there's women's studies, feminist studies at every single university in this country.
	There's no corresponding men's studies at any university as far as I'm concerned, as far as I know.
	Then aren't all these universities misandrist?
	Because they're benefiting from the tuition that these feminist studies majors are putting towards these universities.
	So every single university, every single system is just a man-hating system, and they're all benefiting from feminist misandry.
	I don't agree that feminism is misandric.
	It absolutely is.
	Well, we disagree, so we can't argue on that point because I just don't know.
	Well, let's talk about patriarchy a little bit then.
	So, you were about to define patriarchy.
	I'll never be finished.
	Noah donated $200.
	So, if I say that all women are dumb, I'm a misogynist.
	But women can probably say all men are dumb and no one breathes an eye.
	Double standards are broad points.
	So, no women are here.
	No women here to clarify are saying all men are dumb because I don't believe that.
	I absolutely do not believe that.
	I don't believe that all men are dumb.
	I don't believe all men are bad.
	I don't believe in categorizing people.
	Are you less safe at night because of men?
	From a statistical standpoint, yes, because men.
	It's a bit racist.
	Or sorry, not racist.
	It's a bit sexist.
	Well, is it sexist or is it objective in the sense that majority assault majority?
	Okay, for example, at UCSB, Elliot Rogers.
	Let's talk about Elliot Rogers.
	Okay, never mind.
	We're not allowed to talk about it, but that's a perfect example of women and men being unsafe because of someone with misogynistic perspective.
	Yeah, let's talk about Mattress Girl then and talk about how many of these false allegations come out of these women who make these pretentious SA claims, which are completely and totally unfounded, which ruin men's lives.
	I think that is terrible.
	Has complete and total control over throwing them out and ruining their lives, absent any criminal investigation whatsoever.
	Let's talk about that.
	Statistically, that is much less likely than a SA allegation being founded in truth.
	And majority.
	Oh, yeah, prove it.
	Okay, statistically.
	False allegations are more common.
	Yeah, like you prove it.
	I just, I know so many women.
	So here's the thing.
	We can prove it.
	So let's take a look at when you say SA, you also will make the bold claim, and these are consent claims, where you will claim that a woman after she's engaged in the deed can take consent away.
	Yes, they do it all the time, and you know I am not that woman, and I would argue that if the majority of women are not aware of that, I want you to acknowledge that that is done.
	I'm sure it has happened the same way that men have gone and actually assaulted certain women.
	Absolutely.
	And majority of those cases are never reported.
	I have no dispute with that.
	And majority of men who are SA's, it's by other men.
	It's neat that you will only acknowledge that men are engaged in this SA culture, but you don't acknowledge that the counter to this is that women often make up these false SAs.
	When did I not acknowledge that?
	There's absolutely no way to have any recourse because it's done outside of even a criminal justice system.
	This is what I was talking about when I feel like this podcast is just telling me my opinions.
	I completely disagree.
	I'm not telling you you're not.
	I completely disagree with women doing false accusations.
	I think that is a horrible thing to do to someone else.
	It is not something I would ever do, nor do I agree with, nor do I promote.
	I think there should be full criminal investigations.
	I think there should be a woman's right to choose sign up, but you've never had a, let's investigate the men who are falsely accused of SA.
	I would 100%, if there were men who were falsely accused of SA, I would 100% be in support of promoting further investigation into those cases the same way I would promote further investigation into any SA charge.
	And I think one of the issues is we're trying to talk about an issue that can be prominent to women and it's being overridden by, but what about this?
	When we should be discussing one issue after that, we can focus on one thing and then we put our focus on the next thing.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, but it's a whataboutism to begin with.
	And so if you're going to use a whataboutism as your argument, it's fair play to use a whataboutism back against it.
	And sure, but you're also telling me I have a different political ideology that I haven't discussed on and I haven't spoken on just because I'm not afraid of that.
	Just ask you directly so that I'm not strawmanning anything at all.
	Are you pro-choice?
	For me personally, I am pro-choice.
	I personally would choose to not have an abortion, though.
	For me personally, I think under the United States clause of privacy, under the United States clause of privacy, I believe women have the right of privacy to their body and their own autonomy choice.
	Whether or not I would do it myself is a different conversation.
	I personally think I would not be able to live with that because I very deeply want to be a mother.
	And I think.
	And have you engaged in political activism?
	No.
	Never?
	I mean, not to a sustainable capacity.
	No.
	What does that mean?
	I'm not in politics.
	I don't directly change the law.
	Have you ever engaged in political activism?
	Have you been out there marching with BLM?
	Have you been doing things like this ever?
	Maybe when I was young.
	Yeah, okay, gotcha.
	And have you ever marched for any men's rights advocacy whatsoever, ever?
	I don't see the relevance if it's not something I've you or haven't you?
	I just don't see the relevance.
	Because the relevance is showing you this, that it's interesting that on the one hand, you say, I'm totally against all of these things.
	Okay, when you hold on to political activism, hang on, I'm going to.
	Let me tell you, so that you know, do you want to hear the answer or not?
	Go ahead.
	Go ahead.
	When you say I'm engaged in all this political activism, or even a minor amount of political activism, that the political activism that you're engaged in is never for men's rights advocacy, while at the other corner of your mouth, you say that you would be for men's rights.
	I actually have, under these certain conditions, but of course, your political advocacy never reflects that.
	I actually have advocated online several times and in several conversations on my social media platforms.
	I do poetry on TikTok as well as live discussions on my TikTok.
	I have talked about how men's unalive rates are extremely high in our country, and that is a problem I am very passionate about.
	And I see a lot of people.
	I'm not blame on the patriarchy, right?
	Why are you guessing what I am doing?
	Why are you telling me I am?
	I believe directly.
	Who do you blame it on?
	The patriarchy or feminists?
	I would never blame such a horrible issue.
	Andrew, she says you're not a good debater.
	I would never be a bad debater.
	I'll believe that.
	I would never blame such a sensitive and horrible issue on anyone.
	Is to guess at them because she won't tell us them.
	She hides them.
	I just told you.
	She hides them on purpose.
	Every time I've asked a probing question, it's always hidden.
	It's always a word.
	Okay, so let's unpack.
	Let me just ask you directly.
	Are you a progressive feminist who is pro-choice who believes that a patriarchal system is oppressing women or not?
	Those are two specific blanket terms, and I don't agree with the blanket term.
	I don't know if you have any specific questions then.
	Do you believe that a patriarchy is oppressing women, and are you a progressive feminist who is pro-choice?
	No.
	Okay, so you're not pro-choice?
	I am pro-choice, but these are such specific.
	You are boxing from there.
	I'm not going to be able to get an answer out of her.
	And then Cornwallis.
	It's impossible to get an answer out of her.
	Because life is not so black and white.
	People can have different opinions.
	People can be pro-choice for others and personally pro-life.
	People can believe that men have problems in society and women have problems in society.
	I believe that both many groups of people suffer in their own unique way.
	I think that is really invalid to do such drastic blanket terms on such vast issues, in my opinion.
	Okay.
	Okay, let's try this a different way then.
	If you had to choose between progressive, liberal, feminist, why do I have to choose conservative?
	If you had to, it's a hypothetical or traditional values female.
	Which one would you pick?
	I would pick neither.
	If you had to.
	Why do I have to?
	There's no way to do it.
	Because if that's the point of the hypothetical.
	No, but you're instigating.
	You're instigating on things that I don't politically align with.
	It doesn't matter.
	Just try to engage in the hypothetical.
	Okay, maybe it doesn't matter, but a hypothetical is designed to test your logic.
	So let me ask the gal in yellow who thinks that I'm a terrible debater.
	Same question posed to you.
	Let's see if you can answer it.
	Traditional, trad con, traditional conservative values.
	You believe in conservatism.
	Progressive feminist.
	You had to choose the label.
	Which one do you choose?
	I think if I had to choose which one I am.
	Yeah.
	Progressive feminist.
	Yeah, exactly.
	So now back over to you.
	Now that you saw that somebody can actually give a straight answer, which one would you choose?
	I'm declining this conversation.
	I don't agree.
	I don't choose to.
	You don't want to be honest.
	It has nothing to do with honesty.
	It has nothing to do with me personally aligning with certain political ideologies.
	Not saying you do.
	I'm saying that don't coincide.
	Hypothetically, you only have these two to choose from.
	Which one would you be more aligned with?
	You don't know?
	You don't even know?
	If you engage in political activism, you don't know which side you're more politically activated on.
	When did I say I engage in political activism?
	I just got it out of you five seconds ago.
	Asked you if you marched with Black Lives Matter.
	You said, sure, when I was younger, that's political activism.
	So now back to this.
	If you had to choose between the two, which one would you choose?
	You got this.
	I believe in you.
	Guys, that's so condescending.
	My point is, is that two things?
	You got this.
	Just answer the question.
	Bullshit.
	It's hypothetical if you had to pick.
	Oh my gosh, fine.
	She won't do it.
	Okay, hold on.
	Let me read one chat.
	Isaac, weird, because TikTok literally is full of misandry, man-hating women, and those account holders with millions of followers are making bank.
	I only see women in the comments agreeing, and if any man chimes in, he's doxxed.
	Thank you, Isaac.
	Appreciate it, man.
	Absolutely.
	True TikTok will suppress anything that's misogynistic, but it'll absolutely elevate misandrist things.
	And this is actually evidenced.
	I don't know the exact keywords, but you can search for like hashtags.
	And I think a hashtag.
	I don't know exactly.
	I don't want anybody to quote me on this.
	It's either men are bad and then women are bad.
	And you can't even search for women are bad, but you can search for men are bad.
	Or it's, I think, men suck versus, or hashtag men suck, hashtag women suck.
	You can't even find any results for women suck, but men suck, totally fine.
	Isaac, thank you very much for that.
	So Isabel has a heart out at 9 p.m.
	She asks that she does have a flight to California.
	Sorry, you guys.
	So what I'm going to do, actually, maybe, Andrew, we can pick some of this stuff back up after she leaves.
	I'm just going to open the floor to Isabel.
	No, no, no.
	I'm just going to open the floor to Isabel.
	If you want to just kind of, it sounded like you had some questions you want to ask, just here for your last, unless you can stay past the nine of Loyal.
	We'll stay as long as we possibly can.
	As long as you can.
	The floor is yours.
	Thank you, Brian.
	You can perhaps, you know, you'll get rid of this toxic masculinity and we'll get some femininity in here.
	So go ahead.
	No, actually, I just think this is a great opportunity for us to talk about some of these issues because I'm hearing a lot of stuff thrown around about pornography, about abortion.
	I think there's a cool dialogue that we can start with some of this.
	So first and foremost, I think easily the issue that most people are attaching to women as we get closer to the November election is the issue of abortion.
	Luce, you kind of just opened up your perspective on this, but I would love to just hear from everybody what you think is going on in the country, where you're personally coming from, and if you might be open-minded to any change of perspective on that.
	I think such a beautiful thing about America is kind of our foundation of freedom and privacy.
	I really, really respect the privacy clause, and I do think issues such as abortion do fall under privacy clause and autonomy, personal autonomy that every individual should have in this country.
	The same way that a lot of pro-life individuals from a right standpoint would argue that it was unfair to be forced to be vaccinated.
	I think it's kind of the same conceptualization for me personally of abortion.
	I think the same way it's unfair to be forced to have a vaccine is the same way it's unfair to force someone to not have an abortion or to have an abortion.
	So I think that that is my perspective of being pro-choice is under privacy clause.
	I understand that there are, of course, certain laws in place about how far into the term pregnancies can be terminated, but I will argue that realistically, unless it is for the survival of the mother, it is very, very, very rare that there are ever late-term abortions.
	Really?
	Yeah, statistic.
	I've done some research into this, and it is fairly, fairly low because very few people will go through the turmoil and the physical changes of pregnancy just to later decide that they don't want the child.
	It's usually founded in, for example, neurological disorders or physical disorders such as developing without a heart or developing without lungs to the point where the fetus could not even survive outside the womb.
	So how would you respond from a body autonomy perspective to this idea that it's not just your body in the conversation anymore?
	I totally hear that and I really, I really understand that this is such a sensitive subject.
	But I do think that because there has not been yet the opportunity of thought and conceptualization for a fetus in early development, I would not consider it to be a full life or a full individual conception.
	I think that obviously super late term abortion and things like that are more unethical in my opinion.
	But I do think, you know, accidental pregnancy or, you know, assault or other confounds can create dynamics in which it is very practical for women to abstain from childbirth.
	And I think, you know, these sort of things happen.
	But I think the other issue of being anti-pro-choice is just that people are going to have abortions no matter what.
	Wouldn't you rather these women have abortions in a place where it was safe for them to, one, have children later in life, not go infertile from a botched, you know, underground abortion, you know, protect their own autonomy and health care and their ability to reproduce later, I think, is so important.
	And, you know, all these people are going to do it anyway, the same way that even though drugs are illegal, people do drugs.
	Just reality, and that's such a sad thing.
	And I'm sad that, you know, abortion is the better choice for a lot of women.
	In an ideal world, it would never be a necessity.
	But I would argue for a lot of women, you know, it is a necessity for safety just due to socioeconomic status, et cetera.
	Lots and lots to talk about there.
	And I think all worth conversations having.
	I'm curious just to open up to everybody else.
	Anyone else feel comfortable sharing where they're coming from on this?
	I am personally pro-choice.
	Okay.
	Totally based on comfortability.
	You don't have to jump in if you don't want to.
	100% pro-choice.
	And just based on the industry that I've been in and situations that I've seen women in, how we were talking about how you would prefer or how you want to have a good mother in the household.
	What if that girl gets into like a relationship where, I mean, we've all been there where we've been in a relationship that wasn't good for us, but we thought we were in love and we stayed in that situation, even though in the future we knew that it'd be harmful to us.
	Or we knew that we don't have the finances to bring that baby into the world.
	You know, somebody was talking about adoption and how adoption can be harmful.
	There's just so many other reasons that a woman can decide, you know what?
	I don't think it's good for me nor this child.
	I don't want to hurt this kid by bringing this child into the world.
	The subject that we can't talk about, grapes, for that to happen, and she's on her own.
	There's just, there's so much.
	So I believe that pro-choice is a good option if you're in that situation.
	Also, like to say, I'm pretty sure I'm recalling this correctly, but you are considered pregnant from the day of your last period.
	Depends on your provider, but yeah.
	Yeah.
	So like that can like really affect abortion terms, which like can be understandable if like you don't really know like if it's like she got pregnant a day after her period or 30 days after her period.
	But if she got pregnant like 30 days after her period, she's already a month pregnant.
	Anyone disagree with any of that out of curiosity?
	Disagree with.
	That's like medically.
	Not that perspective.
	Just everything that's been said so far.
	No, I'm pro-choice, and it's one of those things that it's very unfortunate, but like I don't think this debate can ever be solved because I assume you're Christian.
	So I'm assuming you believe that life begins at conception and that children made an assumption.
	Wait, I thought that that's what made me think about it.
	But she asked what her conception was.
	If she would have said no, I would have.
	I'm wearing a big old cross necklace, so it's okay.
	She has a cross necklace, and I believe she said it.
	Cross tattoo also to boost her earlier as well.
	But actually, I would say my belief about life beginning at conception, I wouldn't even argue that's my belief, it's just a biological fact, comes from my background with two degrees in biomedical sciences far more than it does my Catholic faith.
	I guess by life, I mean more like you believe that a child has a soul, right?
	Like you believe that there is a potential life there that has a soul, it has an existence.
	And that's like, if someone is not Christian, they don't believe that necessarily.
	So it's one of those things where I 100% see how someone who believes that that's like a soul, and if they are aborted, they're dead.
	They're going to, I don't know exactly what you would believe, but I understand why someone who believes that would think that abortion is like abhorrent.
	Like that is, it's murder from that perspective.
	So from an atheist perspective, do human beings not have souls?
	Yeah.
	What sets us apart from other life forms?
	I mean, I'm not an atheist, but I think that someone who doesn't believe in like the soul doesn't believe in an afterlife, abortion is completely, it's like a different thing.
	So there's like a fundamental disconnect there that like I can, I don't imagine I could ever convince you that that's not murder, but no one could ever convince me that like a child in the womb has a soul and will go to hell or will go to heaven.
	I'm not sure where we believe they'll go.
	Like that's just like a thing, like that's a theological difference.
	So that's why I worry that like the debate can really never be like reconciled because like I'm never going to convince you that that's not murder and I don't think I could ever be convinced.
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	Should the father have a say in you killing his child because it is inconvenient to you?
	That's interesting.
	He should have a say.
	That's as far as I think that goes for that.
	Everybody's situation is different.
	How do you guys feel about some limits on all of this?
	Luce, I know you talked about there eventually being a point that you think that's unethical.
	At what point do you think living under score donated $200?
	Isabelle, I read an article where in Canada women can get abortions even up to the point of knowing the baby's sex.
	I know there are cases of women aborting based on gender.
	Reminds me of China.
	That's must-up.
	Yeah, that happens in the United States, actually, every single day, which is terrible.
	But how do you guys feel about some sort of restriction on this?
	Do you feel represented by the left today in this anything goes, even for that reason, aborting based on the gender of your child through all nine months of pregnancy?
	Does that make you uncomfortable?
	Sure.
	I think that, you know, there's a lot of discussion on how we don't live in a patriarchy, but then you're going ahead and aborting a baby based off the gender.
	I'm assuming the preference gender would be male.
	Statistically, I think that, you know, there are certain compounds that I do think it does become ethical, such as if your child is going to be born with a severe medical problem and you are unable to provide for a safe space and medical care for that child.
	It could be debated for being ethical, but I do think at a certain point, if you are close to a full-term pregnancy, you know, adoption could be a good option for a parent that is not willing to raise the child individually.
	But I do think that it isn't a free-for-all.
	And I think that a lot of these arguments come from a place of assuming that people are just like having abortions for fun.
	You know, it's not.
	Yeah, some are, unfortunately.
	And I think that it has been too normalized in media of like joking around about it because, you know, I think it's a really traumatic thing for women.
	And I think even though a lot of the time choosing to not have that baby is the right choice for these women, it shouldn't be kind of made into a mockery.
	I think it's a really, really difficult decision.
	And I know a lot of women personally who have either lost children or had to have abortions.
	Myself, my mom was considering not having me and aborting me.
	My father asked her to have an abortion at the time.
	So obviously it's a personal issue to me.
	It wouldn't exist.
	But I do think that there is 100% validity in having those choices.
	That is part of why, you know, our country is free.
	But I do think there needs to be better conversations around it not being so normalized.
	But I do think there is this bias in saying that like, oh, people use it as a form of like birth control.
	It's super expensive.
	Nobody who wants to have an abortion is trying to get pregnant.
	Do you understand what I'm saying?
	Exactly.
	I think a lot of the issues too with like, I don't know the numbers if abortions are increasing or not, but across like the United States, a lot of people our age are really struggling financially.
	And if you can't even take care of yourself financially, let alone the stress of a child on top of that, like your last resort is to get an abortion.
	I guess I just have a really hard time trying to wrap my head around the circumstances of your conception impacting the value of your worth as a human being.
	Whether you were conceived in SA, you were conceived in a low socioeconomic status, you're conceived and you develop to happen to have a disability.
	Does that not bother you that our society has attached these conditions that.
	I think we're thinking of it in terms of like the trauma that it would bring to either the child or the mother in those situations.
	So are we guaranteed a life without trauma then?
	Or are we guaranteed a life without suffering as any human being?
	Sorry.
	You're good.
	I think we've assigned this notion for whatever reason modern feminism has with women of our generation that it's somehow more compassionate to just never allow that person to exist.
	Like theoretically, Luce, if you weren't sitting here at this table because your parents had gone through with what their plan was, to never allow someone else to exist out of supposed feigned compassion because that person might experience suffering in their life.
	Isn't that the same line of thinking that eugenicists have used throughout all of human history to say, oh, it's just more compassionate.
	It's better for them.
	I agree that there is trauma with like every single life.
	I think at the end of the day, it's more of like a personal decision, a personal like moral, someone weighing out the pros and cons of the decision that they're going to make.
	And for some people, that decision fits them, and for some, it doesn't.
	I think it's selfish and noble at the same time to prevent a child suffering.
	I know growing up that my parents, like, they both had mental illness and they weren't able to provide like emotional support for a little kid growing up.
	And there was a lot of healing that I had to do and still doing and recovering from that.
	And personally, for me, I would not want to put a child through that if I can avoid it.
	So when does that decision get to happen then?
	I think I hear a lot of this of.
	I think there could be like more productive solutions for sure rather than like just deciding whether or not this situation deserves an abortion or not.
	Whereas if we had solutions of like mental health crisis help, like more mental health services, more services to like help families or like more services to help people get better paying jobs so they can support a family.
	Yeah, all important things, totally.
	So more productive to be able to do that.
	I think my question would be in deciding whether or not it's fair or ethical or positive to bring this child into the world, when does that decision get to happen after you're pregnant or do we make that decision before we have sex up front?
	I think abstinence is a flawed way of being anti-abortion because the reality is people, a lot of people are going to have sex.
	A lot of religious people are going to have sex.
	A lot of very high moral people are going to have sex.
	Married people will have sex.
	Yeah, but that's an is-odd gap.
	So you're saying because this is true, that that means that this thing that ought to be.
	I just think, I think being pro-choice and wanting to create a space in which people have access to resources that would essentially, in your ideal world, end abortions um could be great in theory but having the conversation of like sex only being something for pregnancy i think no i don't think it is
	I think it's a consequence of a consequence of sex being pregnancy, as in creating a world in which abstinence is kind of the way is a really hard argument to do because I just think they do become separate issues and a lot of people have sex safely.
	Why are they separate issues?
	Pregnant people.
	Because a lot of people are not.
	Absent penis going in vagina.
	Because a lot of people are on birth control condoms and still end up getting pregnant.
	And I'm not saying that abstinence wouldn't have been the better option in that example.
	Right.
	So the only way to prevent those pregnancies would have been not to have sex.
	But I do, but yes, but I do think to some compound, there are plenty of people who don't have proper education or proper resources.
	Yeah, they're just not educated.
	You don't know.
	Putting the penis in the vagina leaves.
	My freshman, my junior year of college, a girl told me, she said, I thought you couldn't get pregnant the first time you have sex because you're still a virgin.
	A lot of people don't have good sexual education in America.
	Yeah, I actually have a huge problem.
	And I think abortions would be significantly lower if we had better sex education.
	I totally agree.
	We have horrible sex education in this country.
	In fact, it's Planned Parenthood who writes most of the sex education in this country.
	And they typically are trying to reach younger and younger and younger audiences by promoting promiscuity and promoting sexual activity.
	Great example is the University of Chicago, or not University, the Chicago Public Schools District, is now handing out condoms starting in fifth grade in all of your classrooms.
	So if you are nine or ten years old, you can get free condoms in your public school classroom in Chicago as you are being taught sexual education by Planned Parenthood, who then will tell students, hey, it's okay if you guys get pregnant, oopsies.
	I just want to be clear that you're saying that you really think that there are people, a lot of people, who just don't know that putting the penis in the vagina leads to having a child.
	I just want to make sure that we're clear on that.
	I just gave an example.
	I just gave an example of someone I knew personally.
	So you have some stupid friend who thought that.
	That's an exception.
	Most of your friends do not know where babies come from, right?
	I think a lot of people who are initially having sex do not have proper sexual education to the past.
	I'm asking you a specific question.
	The specific question is that.
	I think some people think the pull-out method is 100% effective.
	And have most of your friends always know.
	But a majority of my friends have access to education.
	If you put the penis in the vagina, it could lead to a baby.
	My mom was very religious, and I was not aware of that until I was 16 years old.
	You weren't aware that putting a penis in a vagina led to a baby until you were 16 years old.
	Really?
	That is correct.
	I think we only have a couple.
	Can I get a show of hands at the table of women who are at this table who did not know until they were 16 years old that if a man's penis went into a woman's vagina, that could potentially lead to a baby?
	Go ahead.
	Show me the hands.
	16.
	I thought having sex with a woman you could conceive with.
	So clearly, we have a larger sex ed problem in this country.
	My point is, I think that's a misconception.
	I guess when you're homeschooled, you might know this.
	This seems very basic.
	It's unbelievable to me.
	So I guess homeschooling would be optimal because then at least children would know that not sticking the penis in the vagina leads to the baby.
	Do you think you really explain to me?
	I knew that when I was 10.
	I knew it when I was 10.
	Do you think that homeschool parents, who are most likely more like traditional, are really going to tell their kids, like give them proper sexual education that isn't just wait till marriage?
	Well, they're the most likely because they do.
	That's true because I think they will, and it's completely their right to, but I think they will push an abstinence-only perspective.
	And that is great.
	Well, let me finish.
	That's great if the child listens.
	And if they wait until marriage to have sex, because they could fail, they should never try.
	Great.
	Where did your glasses and hair go?
	Maddie, help me search for Gustavo's glasses.
	He will lead the charge on the battlefield of love.
	Sex said is parents' responsibility.
	Yeah, let's just note here that if your criticism of homeschooling is that traditionalists might explain that you should be chased because a man's penis going in your vagina may lead to a baby, do you think that you could actually accomplish if you homeschooled your kids this great feat of explaining to them that if a penis goes in your vagina, you might get pregnant?
	And do you think that that's actually hard to do in comparison to apparently the public school system, which can't explain to a 16-year-old that this is the case?
	Wait, Andrew, can we say P in the V?
	P in the V. How does a 16-year-old, you're really going to endorse the public school system?
	A 16-year-old doesn't know that that's the case.
	Another woman doesn't know that engaging in lesbian sex doesn't lead to reproduction.
	And your whole thing with homeschooling is, but these trads might not explain it.
	Really?
	Wow, that's the argument I've done.
	I never had my argument.
	I said, what if the kid doesn't listen?
	And they don't understand you could apply to a public school.
	If they could go to a public school school, I think we've established that public schools are not successful at it either.
	I'm saying.
	Yeah, so if the criticism then, if the criticism then is that this could happen in public schools, which clearly does, we have two case examples of it happening right here at this table.
	If that's the criticism, it could happen there and in a homeschooled house, let me ask you specifically: is your daughter going to know by the appropriate age that if a penis goes in her or a P and a V happen, that she may get pregnant?
	Is she going to know that?
	I have a question.
	So she's going to be a little bit more than that.
	I have a question.
	Hold on.
	It's like, it's too many questions.
	Too many questions going on.
	Isabel does have a heart out.
	I'm so sorry.
	I wish we had so much more time to talk about all of this stuff, but I am really encouraged, first and foremost, that we're willing to talk about this stuff that people in positions of power are telling us to never talk about.
	That is such a signal of hope for me about our generation.
	And I hope that we can create more opportunities for stuff like this because I look around this table and despite all of the crazy things that have been said in the chat and a lot of the disagreement and divisiveness, I see so much beauty in the women of our generation waking up to these lies of leftism, be it hookup culture, be it the hormonal birth control bill.
	We didn't have time to go into that today, or abortion, but even just a desire for something more, right?
	A desire for marriage, a desire for children and motherhood.
	I remain really optimistic about the future of this generation.
	And I'm so grateful for you all being willing to open your heart and your mind to a different perspective.
	That's very challenging to do in the world that we live in today.
	And Brian, kudos to you for continuing to do that multiple times every week because people are really actively trying to halt these conversations to further that division.
	But I'm grateful for every single one of you.
	Can I ask you, Isabel, before you go?
	Yeah, go for it.
	Doesn't it seem like an absurd endorsement of the public school system if this woman here in the blue didn't know you could get pregnant until she was 16 years old?
	My school did not have sexual education at all.
	Didn't she have parents?
	Your parents never told you this?
	So I was actually in CPS and dealing with parental custody problems.
	And now I have two lovely parents who have had extremely open conversations with me about sex and sexuality.
	And I'm very grateful for that.
	But I think it is ignorant to say that every individual.
	So this other state system that you went to also did not explain this to you.
	So the state has just failed you at every possible level.
	My story where babies come from, the public schools.
	The only concept I had of sex was pornography.
	And pornography does not discuss.
	The criticism she found out was, but what if they don't follow?
	Why are you attacking the way I was?
	Quick answer to your question, Andrew.
	Yes, scathing indictment of the public school system, but it's also the public school system that's teaching kids today that men can get pregnant.
	And people actually believe this.
	So much bigger issues happening in the public education system.
	And I think conversations like this are so important because it just goes to show how truly little actual education is happening within our generation.
	It's all indoctrination and propaganda.
	All right.
	Thank you all.
	I got to get to the airport.
	I can't just let you walk there.
	Hang on.
	We're almost done.
	But I got to ask you this.
	How credible is it to you that inside of a public school system and the CPS and all of these state-run organizations, nobody told this woman that a penis going in the vagina could lead to pregnancy?
	That doesn't seem to be a good idea.
	The public schools are a lot of people.
	Of course, it's absurd.
	Absurd periods don't hurt.
	Yeah, of course, it's absurd, Andrew, but sadly, it's not the most absurd thing I've even heard in the last 24 hours.
	And I think for most people, they are so unaware of how deep the rot of systemic lies from leftism, authoritarian leftism, have taken over every aspect of civilization in America.
	The entertainment industry, the education system, media, politics, even the church, right?
	It's becoming more popular to recite the Sparkle Creed on Sunday rather than understand the tradition of the criticism is, well, wait a second, you could tell your children at a younger age than 16, which is insane, that P to the V might lead to a baby.
	If you could tell at a younger age that this was the case, how in the world could that be an indictment of homeschooling, Isabel?
	Oh, I'm so ecstatic to see homeschooling on the rise, and I don't even think it's labeled as like a trad thing to do anymore.
	Over 11% of American families are homeschooling their kids, largely after COVID, because we got a front-row seat into what's happening inside the classroom.
	So, all incredible things.
	And that's really the message that I want to leave this on today.
	Look, again, we can focus on the doom and gloom apocalyptic Gen Z is destroying America thing that I think is so attractive and low-hanging fruit.
	But at the exact same time, and this is what I wrote my entire book about that hit shelves a few weeks ago, you're watching this dramatic, countercultural, radical movement of young people looking around at every single lie that's being told to us in society, in school, in pornography, on OnlyFans, in the abortion industry, everywhere, that things we've talked about tonight, and realizing, you know, we're tired of being lied to.
	We're tired of empty promises.
	We're tired of secularism.
	We're tired of leftism.
	We want something a whole lot more meaningful.
	And for all the crazy, divisive things that we've said today, I'm so happy to know that every single person sitting around this table wants to get married, and everybody but two wants to be a mom.
	Those are the types of questions.
	Wait, I don't want to get married.
	Brian!
	I don't want to get married.
	Hold on.
	How dare you?
	Let's keep you here another 20 horrible, insane person.
	No, it's just exciting to see because those are the cultural changes that we are starting to make on an individual basis that ultimately will impact politics, that ultimately will impact policy.
	But as Andrew Breitbart is famous for saying, you can't change politics unless you change culture, unless you change how people live their day-to-day lives.
	And us quitting our birth control, deleting our dating apps, wanting to get married in a culture telling us not to do that, wanting to have kids, we might still fundamentally disagree on a whole lot politically, but I see this as an incredible launch pad and stepping stone into common ground in a future country we're all proud to call home again.
	That's just based in objective reality, on things like where babies come from, and I'm hopeful that our ability to have these difficult conversations makes a better path forward for everyone who comes after us.
	Well, thank you for coming.
	Awesome thanks, guys.
	Off to go.
	Uh Madison, why don't you take that seat?
	Safe travels, all right, let's get into some juicy guys.
	We got some juicy.
	We got some juicy stuff here.
	Maddie, if you can take the seat, please?
	Uh, all right guys, let me do a couple chats and then we're getting into it.
	We're getting back.
	So, excuse me.
	Six-pack Chad.
	Madison, can you read this?
	Girl in blue, if your theory is correct, why is no one calling the black woman a brat or the girl in green a brat?
	They're not calling you a brat because you're a woman, it's because you're an idiot.
	I call myself a brat.
	I just want to state that.
	Yeah, you self-identify as a brat.
	Would you be my brat?
	Oh.
	Daddy.
	What are we, daddy?
	All right.
	We have Brian misogynist goat.
	Maddie, can you read this?
	Thank you, Chorus.
	Brian's misogynistic.
	30 to 40-year-old men toxically judging 18 to 25-year-old girls with hypocritical evangelical agenda.
	Your chastity-virgin hunting mindset is 0.01% of the U.S. and is actually horrible for life on earth.
	Okay.
	Well, we have people of all ages on the show, anywhere from anywhere from 18 to we've had people in their 50s and 60s, people younger than me, people older than me.
	We don't discriminate on that front.
	Hypocritical evangelical agenda.
	I'm actually, I mean, you know, I believe in God, but I'm not really all that religious.
	Chastity virgin hunting mindset.
	I think body count matters.
	I prefer, when it comes to dating, I prefer women with a low body count.
	And if that means she's a virgin, cool, but she doesn't have to be a virgin for me to date her.
	But I mean, it would be, I suppose, the most optimum, optimal if she's a virgin.
	People are allowed to have their preferences.
	So you are right, though.
	It's a very small portion of the dating pool that is like that.
	But she doesn't have to be a virgin.
	But thank you, man.
	Misogynist goat, dope.
	Canadian Jim, Canadian 100, if you can read this one.
	So by her definition, if people were individually to hold prejudice towards a specific race, that would not be racism.
	Makes zero sense.
	Sorry.
	And that's why you get hate from chat.
	Mercy Buku, for the Canadian, you're probably in the French-speaking Canadian part, so Merci, Canadian Jim.
	Is this directed towards you or towards you?
	I don't even know at this point.
	Maybe it's you.
	Apparently, you can't be racist towards white people.
	A couple people, that seems to be the position.
	Can't be racist towards white people.
	What if I was in China?
	Just curious.
	Could then?
	That's a good question.
	Even then.
	No, I mean, I think people in China could definitely be prejudiced towards a white person, but I'd have to think about if it could be racism.
	I don't think so.
	What?
	You mean what?
	In China, you couldn't be racist against a white person in China.
	Like a Chinese person.
	If we're going off my definition of institutional racism, you could maybe be racist against white people who live in China and live there full-time.
	If they're discriminated against.
	What if they're tourists?
	I think you could be prejudiced against them.
	You couldn't be racist?
	What?
	No, I don't think so.
	What kind of crazy definition?
	When you give us the definition, center, censor, center.
	I'm always very nitpicky with words because leftists like to use them as weapons.
	I also do.
	I'd like to ask you, real quick, can you give us your definition of racism again?
	Because you keep saying for going off of my definition, and I would like to go off of your definition.
	So what is it?
	Institutional racial discrimination.
	And institutions are?
	Like the government.
	I mean, basically, I'm just talking about the government, but it could also be like social institutions as well, like schools, just like a private sector.
	Like the church could be an institution, right?
	Yeah, absolutely.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, sure.
	Okay.
	So when we're talking about institution, what you're actually specifically saying here is anything which could have authoritative political power.
	Sorry, can you repeat the question?
	Can you repeat the question?
	Anything which has authoritative political power would be an institution.
	I wouldn't say that, but I could, I could, yeah, sure.
	We can go with that.
	Well, I want to make sure I'm clear on your definition.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	We can go with that.
	So, a church could have authoritative power inside of government, right?
	Yes.
	Okay, so what if you had an all-black church who was speaking out against whites as an authoritative institutional power?
	Would that be racist?
	It's not on the same scale.
	I think you have to think about how it's scalable.
	So what scale is it when they lose the institution?
	I do think it's scalable, actually.
	I think it has to, I mean, obviously in a different country.
	I think that could be racist.
	Then I don't, no, I don't think that could be racist in this country.
	Black people are still the minority.
	They're still the minority.
	There's still a history of chattel slavery, which white people have been enslaved, but not in the same way.
	Chattel slavery is an...
	Okay, so I just want to clarify on this.
	Mm-hmm.
	If...
	If blacks were the majority for an institutional power, then that institutional power could be racist, right?
	Yeah, I think so.
	And do you know what the black population is of Detroit?
	I mean, that's Detroit.
	We're talking about the United States as a whole.
	Yeah, hang on.
	I was very specific about what institutional power was here.
	And you said any authoritative body which has political power would be an institution.
	Yes or no?
	Okay, so do you know what the racial demographic is of Detroit?
	I'm guessing majority black.
	Oh, a vast majority.
	So if they were to, I don't know, from the pulpit, create anti-white rhetoric, they now have institutional authority by your definition, correct?
	They now have institutional power by your definition, correct?
	That would fall under racism by your definition.
	Is that correct?
	That, I mean, yes, but if I'm really thinking about it like that, I would have to clarify that there would have to be some, like, institutional power would have to actually have an effect on white people's lives.
	Like, I guess I would adjust my definition of institutional.
	So if you have a majority black population and there's a minority white population and they create any type of legislation from an authoritative position, which is discriminatory towards white people, that would be racism, right?
	If they were creating legislation, sure, but I don't, I really don't think that's a case of the same thing.
	They created legislation which in any way, shape, or formula.
	Yes.
	In your hypothetical, if they were creating anti-white legislation that was having a real material effect on white people's lives, that would be anti-white racism.
	I just want to make sure that we're clear then before I give you such legislation, which has been passed in Detroit.
	Let's hear it.
	That if I can give you legislation passed in Detroit, which favored the majority inside of Detroit, in this case, black people, and the minority of people are white people, and they had legislation from basically an all-black political body, that this would be and fall under the criteria of anti-white racism.
	I still think it's, like I said, you can't do it.
	Even by your own definition.
	No, because I think that it's scalable.
	I really do.
	I think we're talking about the United States.
	We're not talking about Detroit.
	We're talking about like a wide scale.
	Because when I say institutional.
	Is there a church in the United States?
	Is there a church of the United States?
	No.
	Then how can churches have institutional power?
	You just said they could.
	They can't have.
	When I say institutional.
	Oh, they can.
	Oh, that's crazy.
	When you say institutional, I mean the broad scale of the United States.
	These smaller institutions make up that.
	That black church in Detroit is an exception.
	You'll have to talk about exceptions to the rule.
	That is an exception to the broader rule of anti-black racism in the United States.
	I'm not saying, okay, wait a second.
	Not saying, let's assume for a second it is an exception to the rule.
	That would in no way negate whether or not it was anti-white racism or not.
	Okay.
	So I could say, for instance, the majority of women never had abortions, but the minority of them did, that the exception to the rule would be the women who did not have abortions.
	But that would not negate in any way the fact that those women had abortions.
	So if we move back to this, I can even consider them outliers.
	I'll grant your entire argument and definitions.
	All of it.
	I mean, my definitions are like correct.
	I don't know why you're acting like I'm making a point.
	Hold on, I'm just going to explain it.
	If you can grant that if I can point out an institution which is formed by a majority, minority block, right?
	At least living under coordination $200.
	My wife's boyfriend is going to kill me for spending all of his money tonight to the yellow shirt.
	Where are you getting your definitions?
	Seems like you're just not wanting to discredit minority history.
	You want to respond to that?
	All I'm asking.
	Yeah, I'm getting my definitions just from like, I mean, I'm a political science student.
	You could say you think that it's like liberal.
	Well, I love political science.
	It's my favorite.
	So I'm just going to ask you: how can you say if there's no church of the United States that a church can have institutional power at a localized level, which is all that at a local level, yeah.
	But yet an entire city cannot.
	Cities do have institutional power.
	Then if I can show you a city which is made up demographically of almost all minorities, and they pass legislation which favors those minorities over whites, how in the world could you consider that non-anti-white legislation?
	I mean, if it really genuinely had a negative material effect on the lives of white people in Detroit and that continued and that was sustained and it put them in a subjugated position to black people, sure.
	Being pro-black people is a majority, let's assume for a second that a majority of a city was white and they passed legislation favoring whites buying houses over blacks.
	Would you consider that to be a racist policy?
	What do you mean by favoring white people buying houses?
	It means that the government would be more willing to back them over the white demographic.
	Or I mean over the black demographic.
	Back them in what way?
	Like not allowing black people to buy.
	Meaning that if a white man applied for the loan and a black man applied for the loan and they all had equal credit, equal credit scores, equal everything, they still favored the black man.
	The white man, would you consider that racism?
	Yes.
	Yes.
	Now, if I could show you in Detroit where they did the exact same thing, favoring black people.
	I have a question.
	Sorry.
	Black pop income with a majority black population.
	Would that not be racism?
	No, because historically that's no.
	Hey, listen.
	No, that is equity.
	No.
	You guys are laughing.
	Is it combating redlining?
	It's combating a historical precedent.
	It is combat.
	Stop laughing.
	You look stupid right now.
	That is combating whether you think I look stupid right now.
	Absolutely.
	I think you look stupid.
	That's combating a historical precedent that redlining.
	Was it instated to combat redlining or is it its own political agenda?
	I'm not familiar with that.
	I was very specific with my language.
	I was very specific about asking what was racism without putting in any other qualifiers.
	I simply asked this question comparatively.
	If the institutional authority was the majority white and they instituted any policies which favored whites over blacks when it came to buying houses, would that be racist?
	And her answer was yes.
	When I reversed the exact same thing with no qualifiers, she still said no.
	Okay, well, the real world doesn't occur.
	How that is logical in any way, shape, or form when the institutional power is still localized in both cases.
	Can you clarify if you're referencing a specific law that I'm unfamiliar with, or is this hypothetical still?
	Well, let's just assume for a second it's hypothetical and I could get an agreement before I show the law.
	Okay.
	I would say no.
	First of all, that would not be racism.
	Of course not.
	Because if we're actually thinking about this in context, do you agree that racism is real?
	Anti-black racism is real?
	Yes.
	And do you agree there have been policies enacted all the way from slavery to Jim Crow that have subjugated black people and put them in a subjugated economic position to white people?
	Yes.
	And do you agree that has an effect on them today?
	Yes, just like I would agree that there's an anti-white bias which exists in the South due to the Civil War.
	And the Civil War created a cross-generational poverty sector for the South.
	You would have to agree intersectionally that that's true, correct?
	Like the Civil War created poverty.
	Well, you're talking about intersectionalism.
	Hang on, you're talking about intersectionalism right now.
	And so if we're talking about intersectionalism, and I'm willing to concede to you, and I do, that there has been anti-black policies which have been instituted in the United States, which have been heavily racist, and that the cross-generational effect is that there are disadvantaged blacks to this day who are not able to accumulate the same amount of wealth as the white ancestors of you and I. Me and you could both agree that that's likely true, right?
	Yeah.
	Okay, well then logically we would need to extend that to southern whites who also have at least 200 years of oppression from the north.
	Oh, I just don't agree.
	Wait a second.
	Hang on, hang on.
	Yes, it's the same exact intersectional logic.
	It has to be.
	No, it doesn't have to be because the entire South is burned down and all of their wealth is taken and there's anti-white sediment in the South, then it would stand to reach out.
	There's anti-white cross-generation.
	Hey, stop.
	That they also are cross-generationally disadvantaged.
	There's no way around that logically.
	Because there is.
	You can't just say something that's illogical and say there's no way around my logic.
	Dave, that didn't happen.
	I'm willing to hear you out.
	Slavery is more prominent in the South.
	I do have to move on.
	I do have to move on.
	We have David Treziak.
	Good job of the women panel.
	I didn't get my comment read earlier.
	No, we read both of your comments about the barbecue thing.
	We read both of them.
	I didn't care I got denied exact food because my race, there is history.
	Women deserve the rights to health care, by the way.
	Okay.
	I guess that's in relation to the pro-choice, pro-life conversation we were having.
	We have a couple super chats I need to pull up.
	We have FB, whoa, sexist woman call men sexist.
	Are they wrong?
	Yeah, the girl in the blues actions clearly show she's a selfish and entitled brat that hates men, yet she thinks men calling out her sex behavior makes them bad.
	Talk about having your cake and eating it too.
	I do not hate men.
	Just because I have opinions that certain things that certain men say could be misogynistic doesn't mean that I believe that men don't suffer in any way.
	I've never once said in this entire podcast, I hate men.
	Those words have never left my mouth.
	I don't agree with that.
	What do you think of men?
	Do you guys know the famous quote by Cher where she says, well, I love men.
	Yes.
	Why don't you say it for us?
	Does anyone know the full story?
	It's like, I love men, but I don't need them to live.
	I think.
	Actually, you do.
	No, it's.
	What, do you agree with her or you disagree with her?
	No, It's just a very iconic, famous feminist quote I've heard talking about.
	Because in my perspective, I do love men.
	I have a lot of, have had great relationships with men.
	I love my father.
	I think he's an amazing man.
	But I think that it's okay for me to also think that there are some aspects of misogyny.
	In life.
	The same way a man could say that.
	You know, maybe I'm sorry if I said something sexist towards men.
	I didn't have that intention.
	I was just showing or sharing my own perspectives of how I felt like I was being treated okay.
	So so, riffing off of the share thing, do we need men?
	I think all societies grow from like diversity and from inclusivity.
	So yeah, of course you, you need men.
	I mean procreation.
	Men are a part of that as well, and I think I've needed a lot of the great men in my life.
	I just think it's a it's a silly like interpretation of how how people think women perceive those relationships like oh, I love men but I also hate men it's.
	It's not like that like I've.
	I've never felt like I hated women.
	I'm just a little confused why you brought up the share thing, because in the quote she's she essentially says, I don't something like I don't need men.
	I think she's like I forgot.
	Someone asked her the question, do we need men or something?
	And she says like for she says no, she says I am a rich man.
	Her joke is that there's a notion in society that women only need men for money or to be successful, or to be successful, and I disagree.
	You actually need men to survive.
	Okay, I just do you disagree I'm?
	I was using her to back to or to reference kind of a very famous, like iconic perceived feminist quote.
	Um, she has gotten very.
	That was a very famous introduction to the I hate men movement, I would concur.
	Are you in favor of her statement?
	No, I'm just playing off of it to be playful.
	Why is everything so serious?
	No, I'm just.
	I'm confused why you're bringing it up.
	It's a silly fun, funny thing where she's saying she's equally successful as rich men.
	Hold on, I don't know if we're talking about it's.
	Her joke is, I love men I, but I don't need them to live.
	I am.
	I told my mom, she said, to marry a rich man and I told my mom I am a rich man.
	Hold on yeah, just look it up.
	I think it's a funny, like it's kind of a cute interpretation that she had of her own success.
	I think the quote.
	So she was asked, do you think men are important?
	And Cher responded by saying like for what?
	As if to dismiss that men are important.
	What is the rest of the quote?
	That's not the quote I brought up.
	That's well, that's the most notable one okay, but if I brought up a different quote by her, and that's your most notable quote, why are we talking about two different things?
	And why are you accusing me?
	Well, you should have been more precise, I suppose.
	But she is equating herself to men.
	She's constantly iconic.
	Okay, whatever.
	Forget the whole topic.
	I strayed away from my original.
	Well, then I'll just ask the question: then, do you think we need men?
	Sure.
	I need men.
	Okay.
	I have a love-hate relationship with men.
	You have a love-hate relationship with men, okay?
	Can you guys also tell us what you need them for as you go around the table?
	To reproduce.
	Yeah.
	What about survival?
	Do you guys agree that every woman at this table needs men to survive?
	I think men can be good protectors, but a lot of people.
	No, I don't even mean on an individual, like your boyfriend.
	Like, I'm not talking about that level.
	I'm talking at a societal level.
	You do realize that all of you would need to be in the world.
	You need men to survive.
	No, no, no, no.
	I'm not talking about, hold on.
	I'm talking in the short term here.
	I'm not talking about reproduction.
	Absolutely.
	Men would need women to reproduce also.
	I think getting rid of half of the population would be detrimental.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Yeah, I agree.
	Yep.
	Yeah.
	Yes.
	Yes, yes, what?
	Yeah, I agree that we need men now because, yeah, I mean, they're half the population.
	Like, if you were to go back to the beginning of history and for some reason men just never really existed, women probably would have built up their own infrastructure and civilization, but that's not how it happened.
	So yeah, we need men to continue.
	Where?
	Where would they have done this?
	I said if men didn't exist, obviously they would have had to do it if men didn't exist.
	Yeah, they would have.
	Where could they have done this?
	What do you mean?
	on planet earth i'm saying well there are physiological differences between men and women You would have to concede that that's true, correct?
	Well, if men didn't exist, the physiological differences wouldn't matter.
	No, they would still very much matter.
	Even if men did not exist, they would still matter.
	Even if you reproduced asexually, your physiological differences would still matter.
	That's survival of the fittest, right?
	Yeah, so then I guess, I mean, men wouldn't even factor into the equation.
	It would be the physiological differences between women.
	Because women are not capable of building the kind of infrastructure that men can due to simple things like heat regulation.
	Disagree.
	You disagree?
	Oh, really?
	You disagree.
	Yes.
	Though, then give me a counterexample of when women are not.
	There is no counterexample because men exist.
	I don't know why you give me one.
	Had higher test scores?
	Yeah.
	I mean, yeah, can you give me an example of when women built a civilization?
	I mean, small civilizations, yes, but I'm saying if men never existed, women would have had to do it.
	Obviously, that's not the way it turned out.
	So, no, I can't give you an example because men, because of the physiological differences, have been dominant throughout all of history.
	Great.
	So, let's engage with this under your terms.
	Let's assume for a second that women were asexual, could reproduce on their own, and still have the same physical prowess that they have to date, modern women.
	Can you explain to me how they would build a society?
	The exact same way that men have.
	I mean, like, being slightly less physically strong, maybe our houses would be made out of strong.
	No, not slightly less.
	Okay, maybe our houses would be made out of, like, straw instead of steel.
	I don't know.
	Like, I don't think.
	I don't know.
	No, of course I don't.
	I'm not an anthropologist.
	I'm not a historian.
	I think that they would, like, take care of all the roads and all the infrastructure and all of these things.
	You think they could do that easily?
	Yes, if men didn't exist, obviously, yes.
	Yeah, and what do you think those roads would look like?
	Probably like normal roads.
	I don't know.
	So essentially, you think that men and women are interchangeable widgets.
	And were it that men just did not exist and women were asexual, that women could basically do all of the things that men could do.
	Essentially, we're not going to know because this is a hypothetical.
	Yeah, that's, I mean, it's pointless.
	We can argue as much as you want, but we're not going to know.
	So I'm testing your logic right now by asking you this question.
	If women could reproduce asexually, do you think that essentially they would build the same exact types of societies that we see now?
	I don't think it would look exactly the same.
	I think there would have to be different there would be workarounds to certain things, but I mean like what kind of things?
	What if women did it better?
	What if we did it worse?
	We're not gonna understand that.
	That's a great question.
	I'm entertaining this.
	Like what would women do better?
	I mean the thing is like the pyramids.
	The people who built the pyramids.
	The people who built the pyramids couldn't lift the heavy bricks on their own either.
	They had to make pulleys and things to lift them.
	Women could have invented those too.
	Exactly, yes.
	Yeah, so essentially, society would look exactly the same.
	It would just be built by people who you think are just slightly weaker.
	So you think that, again, we are interchangeable widgets.
	Theoretically, I think stronger.
	If we were reproducing asexually, it would be survival of the fittest.
	So we would, in terms, like have bigger women being able to pull things due to evolution.
	Here, let me get through some challenges.
	Wait, wait, wait, wait, hang on, hang on.
	Do you know how long evolution takes?
	So many.
	Oh, yeah.
	When we're talking about modern civilization has existed for, oh, I don't know, about 500 years, right?
	When we would consider some kind of modernity.
	But civilization itself didn't spring up, recorded civilization, until about 11,000 years ago.
	Homo sapiens came around about 350,000 years ago.
	So that's a long, long, long time.
	It is.
	But assuming all things equal, women were in the exact same space that they're in right this second with the exact same physical strength that they have right now.
	What do you think society would look like?
	I think it would be great.
	We got those muscle mommies out there.
	Oh, they would just build all them roads, right?
	I think it would probably look similar, yes.
	Yeah, it would look similar.
	Okay.
	I'll just leave it there.
	Cool.
	Thank you.
	Okay.
	Here, let me read some of the chats.
	Or Madison, can you read?
	Thank you, Sticky Fingers, for the big $300 super chat.
	Past to present, not being able to adequately annotate your opinions as a speaker in this podcast does not infer misogyny when Brian and Andrew are intentionally simulating conversation for you to be heard.
	This is your moment to be heard.
	As a guest, you fail to be correct.
	That says something.
	Yo, stinky fingers.
	Thank you for the big $300 super chat.
	You are a GigaChad and a legend.
	Thank you, sir.
	We have FB here.
	Brat, definition.
	Child.
	Oh, living on this co-donated $200.
	Imagine being Andrew's wife, LMFAO.
	Holy shit, kill me.
	They have a loving relationship.
	Rachel's great.
	Andrew's great.
	I don't know.
	I bet you $100 that either you're a woman who's not a wife or you're a man who doesn't have one.
	And if you prove me wrong, pay out the hundred bucks, but you won't be able to pay me to prove me wrong.
	Gross.
	FB?
	Brad, definition, a child, especially an annoying, spoiled, or impolite child, usually used in the content for irritation.
	This seems accurate to me, then yes, she is very, very childish, annoying, and not very polite.
	Okay, thank you, FB, man.
	My bad that we're finally getting to.
	Hold on.
	They criticize a certain kind of woman, not women in general.
	But Luce, you're right.
	This podcast does make women uncomfortable.
	That's not the same as being misogynistic.
	Canadian Jim with the $100 super chat.
	Thank you, man.
	Appreciate it.
	Merci Buku, Canadian Jim.
	Are you Quebecois?
	A little Quebecois.
	Thank you, sir.
	Appreciate it, man.
	Let's see.
	And then we, I read the one from FB, right?
	Yeah, we just did that one.
	Sorry that we're for some of those super chats.
	I know you guys sent those in a long time ago.
	We've just had a lot of convo going on.
	A lot of messages coming through, so it is a little bit delayed here.
	Appreciate it.
	We have uh oh, be sure, guys.
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	Appreciate it.
	Oh, Clips.
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	We're trying to get.
	We're 10k away from 1 million subscribers on our Clips channel.
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	Also, hashtag Big Labia Matter.
	Very important.
	Going around the table on this one for everybody here, dating sort of Dave.
	No, no, okay.
	Ask everyone to rate their looks, physical looks, on a scale of one to ten.
	Starting with you, go ahead.
	Like a seven.
	Okay.
	In DC, I'm a 12.
	In California, I would say I'm like a seven or an eight.
	Well, you can't go beyond a ten.
	So you're a sure, I'll be a ten in DC.
	Ten in DC and oh, you said like a California seven.
	We got the math sign.
	Can we put up the math sign?
	That's shit.
	Twelve is greater than the amount which was proposed.
	I meant 12 out of 12.
	My bad.
	I said eight and a half.
	Wait, can you scoot your mic this way a little bit?
	This way?
	Yeah.
	Perfect.
	Eight and a half?
	Eight and a half.
	All right.
	Eight.
	Is it like six and a half?
	A four.
	I'm a seven.
	Eight.
	I'll give myself five.
	Andrew, what about you?
	You handsome devil.
	I would put myself at a four.
	All right, there we go.
	Nobody too crazy here with any sort of delusion.
	That's always good.
	No, nothing too wild.
	I do want to ask a question that I promised.
	I think it was the conservative Latina.
	She sent in a Streamlabs donation asking, Can you be sexist against men?
	Starting with you.
	Yes.
	I would say yes, but I would like to elaborate on this.
	Okay, go ahead.
	I think a lot of the sexism towards men comes from some sort of trauma.
	Like I myself have been in that boat in those shoes where it's like I hate men, all of men suck, and that's because I had unresolved things.
	Like I love men, but I hate them at the same time.
	That's yikes, but okay.
	Wait, you love men, but you hate them at the same time.
	Yeah, I think a lot of men are losers.
	A lot of men are how so?
	You mean financially?
	No, just like in general.
	Like if I'm a loser?
	Nick is such a fucking loser.
	What the fuck?
	Nick, are you going to stand for that?
	What about Gustavo?
	Gustavo, are you a loser?
	Damn.
	The fuck?
	You're a little pathetic little bitch baby loser.
	What the fuck did you just say about my boy Gustavo?
	I asked him if he was.
	That's it.
	I just had a kickout moment for fucking.
	You can't insult Gustavo.
	Gustavo's best.
	He's the best.
	Oh, I'm going to wrestle him later and I'm going to win.
	What the fuck?
	Hey, yo, it's Rachel Wilson.
	Gustavo, that's on you.
	Look at this.
	We got Rachel Wilson, Andrew Sandrew's wife in the chat.
	Maddie, can you read it?
	Andrew is the best husband ever.
	He's extremely good to me and a very kind person.
	He is a 10.
	Sorry to all our haters.
	Hi, Brian.
	Yo, what's up, Rachel?
	Thank you for the super chat.
	Just wanted to pull that up there because it was kind of irrelevant.
	That was years of patriarchal brainwashing that got her to believe that.
	Yeah, he brainwashed Rachel Wilson.
	Brainwashed her.
	By the way, she has a book, which is, did you also force her to write the book too, Andrew?
	Gundoer.
	I did, but only because I knew that I could promo and sell a bunch of copies and then buy more guns for my own selfish patriarchal needs.
	It's called occult feminism.
	You can find it on Amazon among other places.
	Thank you so much for allowing me to shamelessly shill it, Brian.
	Of course.
	I want to start a cult.
	Good times.
	Wait, it's okay.
	You have a love-hate relationship with men.
	You said most men are losers?
	Yes.
	What are most women then?
	I think the general population, I'm kind of deviating away from this question, but I think the general population, a lot of people, are really insecure and they project that onto other people.
	Okay.
	All right.
	So I think it's on both sides.
	Can you be sexist towards men?
	Yes.
	Absolutely.
	Sexist, yes.
	Misandrist, no.
	Wait.
	Hold on.
	I will clarify this.
	I will clarify this.
	Not dive back into that.
	I would not like to either.
	If I can clarify this without diving back into a conversation.
	I don't even think we've talked about.
	Can you be racist towards white people?
	Because I was going to connect it to that.
	I was going to say, I think you can be sexist to men in the same way you can be prejudiced, like a white person can be prejudiced, but I don't think on a systemic level, there's no like misandry.
	What?
	Hold!
	Hold on, bro.
	What?
	Hold on.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Wait, so you're saying you can be sexist?
	Yeah, on like a, on like an individual prejudice level, yeah, you can say I hate men, but it doesn't equate to any sort of real systemic.
	There's no systemic.
	So you're saying there's current, oh my god, bro, I don't even know where to begin with this one.
	This shit could take three hours to unwind.
	But I'm confused because this is a little bit different than your stance on the racism.
	It is different white people because you said, no, you can't be racist towards white people.
	Nah, it's the same.
	It's the same logic, Brian.
	You'll see as you unravel.
	It's the same logic, but I do feel differently about it.
	I don't know if I want to get into that conversation.
	Okay, so misandry.
	Do you deny that there even is misandry?
	No, there's definitely hatred of men.
	I think it is.
	But it's not on a systemic level.
	I don't think it's a matter of fact.
	Power in society, they can't really be misandris, right?
	Sorry, what?
	Because women don't have institutional power, they can't really be misandrous.
	not the definition of misandry though so if the definition hang on just let her hang on That's what you're going to say?
	Well, I mean, if we're going by the definition of like strictly hatred of men, yeah.
	Then yeah, you can hate men.
	It says dislike of, contempt for, or ingrained prejudice against men.
	Yeah, then you can, you can definitely also be like lesbian.
	It's because of why.
	Because of why?
	What?
	Why is it that you actually believe, though, that misandry can't exist?
	It's because you believe that women don't have institutional power, and therefore, because they don't, they can't truly be misandrous.
	Only men chauvinists, right?
	Isn't that really the case?
	Yeah, I mean, you're going to have to repeat the question, honestly.
	Sorry.
	You think, and you tell me if I'm wrong, that the only reason that men or women can't be misandrous towards men is because women don't have institutional power, right?
	Essentially, yeah.
	I mean, if we're going strictly on the definition of the menu, it's just the same bullshit anti-racist argument.
	It's the same exact thing that you said before, right?
	Yeah.
	Because you know why you're-slightly different in the United States, though.
	It makes you a minority.
	The reason you make this argument is because it makes you a minority.
	That's the only reason you women.
	Yeah, it is.
	Listen, let me hear all of you.
	Okay, I mean, you're assuming my perspective.
	You're assuming my perspective.
	I'm a minority.
	No, I don't think women are the minority, and neither are white people, and I'm a white woman.
	Well, wait, I'm a majority in both ways.
	Wait, wait, wait.
	That's super confusing.
	You're not a minority, but you cannot discriminate as any type of collective against men.
	Only men can collectively discriminate against you.
	I could engage in discrimination against a black man on a racial level.
	That would not negate the fact that you're a minority just because you could discriminate against a black man.
	A Hispanic could discriminate against a black man, correct?
	Sure, yes, yes.
	So if a Hispanic can discriminate against a black man, you would not say a Hispanic is not a minority, would you?
	No, but I mean, I'm not a minor.
	Like, statistically, I'm not a minority.
	That's not what I'm doing.
	You're saying that you're the majority, but don't have institutional power?
	That's what you're saying?
	Yes.
	Like, as a whole, women do not have more institutional power than men.
	White women have more institutional power than a lot of different groups.
	How does that mean?
	That's a minority, though.
	I never said anyone was a minority.
	I'm not a minor.
	How could you not be a minority?
	Because that's not the difference.
	A minority means a minority of the population.
	All right, let's try this a different way.
	Let's assume that we're looking at this from an intersectional perspective.
	You know what intersectionality is from your feminist study classes, correct?
	I've never taken one, but I can take a stab at it.
	You would put white men at the top of the oppress everybody the fuck else ladder, right?
	I don't think there's anyone above white men.
	I wouldn't rank it on like a hierarchy, but if you're putting it on a hierarchy, white men would be on the top.
	Yeah, I would put them at the top.
	And women, white women, would be under that, right?
	Yes, I would say so, yeah.
	Wait, maybe like second, right?
	Number two?
	Sure.
	Yeah, right.
	So you're saying that you're discriminated against by white men as a white woman.
	I mean, in some ways, I'm sure.
	I don't think, I think misogyny is absolutely relevant.
	I think institutional discrimination against women in the United States and like most developed countries is not the problem that it has been historically.
	But I mean, there are countries where women just got the right to drive like five years ago.
	Yeah, we're talking about the United States.
	Okay, yeah.
	And inside the United States, you still consider yourself to be underneath white men, correct?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, so you are oppressed by white men, right?
	I mean, in a small way, sure, yeah.
	Yeah, right.
	So when you say that white women or black women or any women cannot actually be misandrists, you're just saying that because you consider white men to be above everybody in the hierarchy.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Got it.
	So next time, just say that now.
	Okay, I will.
	Diving into that, are there more white women or white men in the United States?
	I think women.
	I think women outnumber.
	Women.
	I think women.
	Why is it?
	How come they don't have the institutional power even though?
	Because it's not a numbers game.
	It's not an ⁇ I mean, that's just not how institutional power works.
	Really?
	So then a minority could hold institutional power and lord it over everybody else?
	Yeah, we've already gone into the discussion of scale.
	Wait, I just wanted to make sure that I have this clear.
	A minority could hold institutional power and lord it over everybody else, even in a place where they're not the majority, correct?
	Sure.
	Like Detroit?
	Sure, yeah.
	Okay, that's all I wanted to say.
	Thank you.
	Cool.
	I'm so confused by a lot of things here because you're saying that, so you're saying women don't have institutional or systemic power?
	No, I'm not saying they don't have any.
	I'm saying there's definitely...
	As compared to men.
	Yes, as compared to men.
	Well, then how do you reconcile?
	So I already made this argument before.
	In the higher education system, every single university has a women's study, a feminist study program, which perpetuates the feminist ideology.
	So, and not just in the university study.
	Have you ever taken a feminist studies class?
	Hold on.
	Not just in the university system, but in corporations, in media, in government, feminism is the status quo.
	I mean, I think that's a reaction to the historical discrimination against women.
	It's not elevating them above men, it's elevating them to their level.
	It's the same thing as like we were talking about policies.
	Who holds the power?
	Men, and I think that...
	Not feminists?
	No, absolutely not.
	I mean, I know that you think that, but I disagree.
	But okay, so if men hold all the power, then...
	I didn't say they hold all the power.
	I'm saying that women cannot, like, on a broad level, discriminate.
	Like, there is no institutional discrimination to some men by women.
	It sounds like you're trying to say it's just kind of like a man's world it favors men.
	Yeah, basically, I mean, I wouldn't say I'm like subjected to any sort of like, you know, discrimination on a personal level, but as a whole, men do hold more institutional power than women.
	I mean, look at our politicians.
	We have plenty of women, but that's, we've never had a female president.
	I mean, that's kind of surface level.
	That's a big fallacy.
	Apex fallacy.
	It's an apex fallacy.
	It's an apex fallacy.
	Sure.
	Wait a second.
	There's more women in the voting pool than there are men.
	We don't have a female president.
	Isn't that on you?
	Wait, hold on.
	You're saying women just got the right to vote?
	Not like immediately.
	What year did women get the right to vote?
	I don't have that knowledge.
	I think it was the 1900s.
	My understanding is there currently, there are no women alive in the United States who never had the right to vote.
	But we do have our mothers and our grandmother telling us to utilize this right.
	What's that?
	I said we have our mothers and our grandmothers telling us to utilize this right.
	I mean, but also if...
	Your mom and grandmother could vote.
	Yeah, I'm saying that they were telling people my age to utilize the right.
	What's your argument?
	Like my mother and my grandmother are like, you should vote.
	That's what I'm saying.
	Cool, I guess.
	I'm saying that we have like the pressure from our elders.
	Again, all these universities with their $100 million endowments and these universities are steeped in feminist ideology.
	What effect is that having on men's?
	Massive.
	What effect is it?
	Like materially, not like men are sad because of it.
	I mean like what actual real effects that are sustained and will last throughout history, what effect is that having?
	Well, the biggest effect is the reproduction crisis, which has happened as a direct result of women's liberation and especially the sexual revolution, which has taken responsibility off of women to the point where 16-year-old women don't know that a PNV leads to babies.
	What's happened also is that you have seen, as a result of this crazy ass sexual revolution, abortion skyrocket.
	You've seen abortion an effect.
	You've seen women's liberation lead, all ends, lead to a reproductive crisis inside the nation.
	How is the reproductive crisis in effect only for men?
	How is that something that only affects men?
	It's not something that only affects men.
	That's what I was asking.
	What's an effect of feminist studies classes, a real material effect on men's lives that only affects men and is significant and can sustain into the future?
	How is it negatively impacting women?
	The draft would be something I could point to immediately.
	The draft is not a result of feminist studies classes.
	The draft existed long before feminist studies.
	Do you want the answer or not?
	Well, you're wrong.
	Your answer is incorrect.
	How do you know?
	I haven't explained my answer.
	Feminist studies classes existed after the draft.
	So you can't say that's a result of feminist studies.
	So what?
	They have not addressed the draft as they have addressed women's liberation.
	How many feminist studies classes have you taken?
	Still to this day.
	Hey, stop.
	Stop.
	Let me explain.
	Why is it still to this day that when it comes to the draft, women can avoid it, men cannot?
	Well, you're the one saying that women are just physiologically different.
	Do you think we could adequately defend ourselves in war?
	No, which is why I don't think you should have equal rights to men.
	Okay.
	I mean, if you don't think women should have equal rights to men, then we can't really engage on an equal level.
	We engage on it.
	You don't think I should have equal rights to you?
	How am I supposed to do that?
	And why is there a moral imperative that you must?
	That I must have equal rights or that I must engage with you.
	That you must have equal rights.
	First of all, there is no moral imperative.
	All rights are up for debate.
	My position is that rights do not exist.
	They're a social construction, a product of the mind.
	Absolutely.
	I agree with you on that.
	Good, great.
	You agree with me.
	Why is there a moral imperative that you have equal rights to men who defend you while you sleep?
	There is no.
	What war are you in?
	There is none.
	What draft have you been in?
	How are you protecting me in my daily life?
	What have you individually done?
	Well, let's assume that I've individually done nothing that it would have no merit in the argument whatsoever.
	What about women who choose to enlist in the military despite not being in the job?
	I just think we should move on to a different topic.
	We're not getting anything.
	I'm sure that you do.
	I'm sure that you do.
	Back to the moral thing.
	There is no moral imperative.
	I would agree with you that rights do not exist.
	That's something we agree upon as a society.
	There's no inherent moral imperative that everyone has equal rights.
	There's no imperative that any race has equal rights.
	That's something we debate on and we decide.
	And I am of the opinion that it is unfair, it's unjust for women to not have equal rights.
	You can disagree.
	Yeah, but so what?
	Who cares if you think that?
	Who cares if you think that's a good question?
	What makes it a moral imperative to think of it?
	I have already said there is no moral imperative.
	There's nothing inherited.
	There's no moral imperative.
	So we just do it off of consensus?
	Sorry?
	We just do it off of consensus.
	I mean, yeah, essentially, it's like a political consensus.
	Rights are a political process.
	I would disagree.
	I believe in democracy, but.
	So you think we should do things off of a consensus?
	Yeah, that's what I said.
	So what if the democratic order arbitrarily lowered the age of consent to 16 or 15 or 14?
	I think there are states where it's 16.
	I don't know.
	But let's assume that it was younger.
	Do you think that we should adhere to the democracy?
	Because that's what the consensus is.
	Yeah, if you believe in democracy, yes.
	And I mean, in like Japan, it's like should we do that?
	I would not, I would vote against that, and I might even move out of the state.
	Yeah, but why?
	What's the moral imperative?
	You just said there's no moral imperative and we should follow what the consensus says.
	So if the consensus said that it shouldn't be 10.
	Well, because I think having, can I say I feel like this is a topic that might go into the future?
	Okay, yeah, yeah, fair enough.
	Okay, let's just assume, let's assume it the other way.
	Let's just assume it a different way.
	Okay.
	Why is it then that if the consensus was that you could have sex with a dead body?
	Jesus Christ.
	Not at all.
	This is DOS fine.
	Why do you think that you do so much?
	I agree with what happened to you.
	Don't interrupt.
	She can speak for herself.
	If that was the consensus, why shouldn't we do it?
	I would just disagree personally.
	If that's the consensus, we would just disagree.
	There's no moral imperative to not screw a dead body.
	Because we need to honor.
	There is a moral imperative to not do that.
	I will take a stand on that.
	What is it?
	I don't know.
	It's wrong.
	It is.
	You don't know.
	You don't fucking know what the moral imperative is.
	The moral imperative is you honor the dead.
	That's the moral imperative.
	What's that?
	You honor the dead.
	But why is that a moral imperative?
	You're supposed to have honor for the dead.
	You're not supposed to have human dead.
	Why is that a moral imperative?
	That's philosophy.
	Everyone has different morals.
	There is no universal moral imperative for everybody.
	There's no universal morals, and what's wrong with people screwing dead bodies, lady?
	It's against my morals.
	I don't know.
	So it's just your arbitrary.
	There's no moral ground.
	So just to get this right, I want to make sure I get this right.
	If a society, which is a democracy, votes that people are allowed to screw dead bodies, you have nothing other than, I personally disagree with that to justify why they shouldn't.
	I would move, I think.
	I think I would leave the country.
	I don't think I would like to live in a country.
	Yeah, I know, I know, but answer my question.
	You have nothing other than me.
	My personal opinion, this is bad, right?
	That's it.
	That's your entire moral justification.
	So all of human morality for you comes from your brain, and that's it.
	I mean, my personal morality does.
	And then we all collectively discuss.
	Is there a moral imperative why they shouldn't do that?
	I genuinely have never thought about necrophilia.
	I'm sorry that you love thinking about it, but a guy goes out, goes out in another country, and he digs up grandma and he bangs grandma's corpse.
	My grandma's a bad person.
	Is there a moral argument for why that's wrong?
	I would.
	No, honestly, I just know it's wrong.
	You make it unreal.
	You progressive suck so bad.
	Are you pro-necrophilia?
	Are you pro-moral justification?
	I have epistemological grounding.
	Okay, well, I'm a Christian.
	I'm not something like that.
	You just got done saying to me, literally, you have no moral justification for why someone shouldn't dig up grandma and screw them.
	That's literally what you just said.
	It's wrong.
	That's my moral justification.
	What's your moral justification?
	It's wrong.
	I personally believe it's wrong.
	Based on my own morals.
	I mean, it's circular reasoning.
	That's the arbiter of all of human morality.
	No.
	That's what democracy is.
	There's no epistemic justification.
	It's circular.
	It's wrong because it's wrong because it's wrong.
	It's wrong because it's wrong.
	Yeah, and you could do the exact, because I mean, I'm believing you're a Christian and that's your epistle.
	Epistemology.
	Would you like to get into epistemological foundations for what you're doing?
	I would love to, but I don't think anyone else is.
	It's far better than anything that you just said.
	You just said you could dig up grandma and bang her.
	You're the one that said that.
	I would rather not talk about digging up grandmas and banging them because I'm personally.
	I'm not.
	If we're going to accuse anyone of being a grandma banger, I would say let's accuse me of a bunch of people.
	A guilt?
	My grandma was beautiful, but please don't do that to her.
	Awkward.
	It's bad because it's bad.
	The good is the good, and the bad.
	I mean, yeah, God is real because God is real.
	All of it's arbitrated out of your mind.
	Life is arbitrary.
	I don't know what you want me to say.
	I think philosophy and morality is.
	You know what?
	I actually have a proposal here.
	Andrew's going to be coming in studio next week.
	Maybe you guys have like, I don't know if you're down, Andrew.
	You guys should just do a one-on-one debate.
	Why?
	She would lose in 15 minutes.
	It was 15 minutes.
	Sounds like you're scared.
	Oh, are you down?
	Oh, no, happily.
	You want to go in studio, have a 1v1 debate where nobody's going to be able to do that.
	Are we going to be able to be equally scared?
	Are we going to you can grow me back?
	Sure.
	Are we going to be able to be?
	It'll be well-moderated.
	It'll be.
	Yeah.
	He's very nice.
	He's a sweetheart in person.
	He's a sweetheart.
	Right, Andrew?
	Sure.
	There you go.
	Sure.
	I mean, let me check my work schedule.
	I'll think about it though.
	Okay, think about it.
	But I think it would just also for the sake of tonight's show.
	Oh, yeah, there's too much of showing up for 0%.
	You should probably come up with some type, some type of epistemology before you come into a debate with me.
	Because if you can't answer why you shouldn't bang a dead body other than, uh, it just gives me the itch.
	I'll start reading something.
	I don't have a problem in this debate.
	Do you have like any girlfriends?
	What if we like, we make it equal like it's a 3v1?
	So like three, you and three girlfriends?
	Bring your professor.
	Oh, yeah.
	Bring your professor.
	Oh, yeah.
	No, bring your fucking professor.
	You're the arts major professor.
	Bring him on.
	I'm not an arts major.
	I can't wait.
	We'll talk.
	We'll talk.
	Let's let's talk about you know there's gonna be it's gonna be a there's gonna be a bunch of uh okay anyways let me do a couple chats I got some more questions we have big sass energy Maddie can you read this poor favour racism and misandry do not start at the top systemic level systemic is a totally separate word at an individual level all these things exist against all types of people lol at college out of college education lol thank you big sass energy appreciate it we have david
	Oh Scott okay, read it.
	Because of feminism is why the courts rule in favor to women to have full custody of the children and the woman gets half of what the man has worked to obtain.
	Also, women are not at the front lines.
	Thank you Scott, for your very generous.
	Thank you everyone for your very generous uh TTS messages.
	Andrew, I met Luke and his girlfriend at the time in Ensignana in a jacuzzi.
	He told me he was a high school basketball coach, but knew him, he was really nice.
	Go feminization, if balanced.
	Go yellow.
	Who's Luke?
	I'm not sure what.
	Loose no loose no, no feminization.
	Maddie, can you read this Mew?
	I'll have you know.
	I'm happily married to my wife and her boyfriend.
	You be looking greasy lately.
	By the way, does your shower not work or are you eating?
	Don't mute yourself Andrew, hang on, pull up.
	Chat back up.
	Pull that chat back up.
	Well, i'm trying to get it here.
	I'm gonna do a split on it Andrew, i'll have you know.
	I'm happily married to my wife and her boyfriend.
	Change the split.
	Oh, i'll take the l on the last half of that chat.
	That's fair.
	I'll take the l in the last half, but the first beautiful, loved it.
	Great job, you'd be looking greasy lately.
	By the way, does your shower not work?
	Are you eating too much pizza?
	Actually, we got some pizza in the studio and if you guys want, we'll do a little after show, a little pizza sesh.
	If you guys are down uh, let's see.
	Here we have Living Uh on stream, on stream Andrew.
	Wanting wait, can you read this one, Andrew?
	Yeah, it says, uh, dear Andrew, I happen to have sex with men.
	That's what it says.
	Can I read it?
	Okay sure, Andrew wanting to plow ancient Grandmascope for how bad his wife is.
	You should see what they were just saying about how Gingers have no souls.
	God dang, that was crazy.
	In chat they were saying that all right.
	Um uh about wait, Kyle Kelsey.
	Was there a super chat from Kyle Kelce chat?
	But I don't know.
	Uh, the the read.
	So it's just, I don't know if you're you met the threshold.
	Read answer is a hundred and up.
	Tts is 200 and up.
	That's through Streamlabs, only for the tts.
	We'll do super chats on youtube.
	Uh, read 100 and up.
	Um, it might have not just hit the threshold, but uh yeah, thank you, man also like the video while you're at it.
	Couple questions we talked about.
	Um, this is somewhat related.
	Uh, you mentioned something about women in uh, you know, joining the volunteer army.
	Um, this is something that's come up before.
	Are men physically stronger than women?
	Starting with you, with me?
	Yes okay, what about you?
	Yes, on average yes yes yeah yes yes yeah okay, all right, nothing there, all right.
	And uh, we went around on the sexism thing.
	I did actually have one thought on this.
	Uh, so do we really go back here?
	Let's, let's do something dating related.
	Yeah, we'll come back to this shit, though we'll come back.
	We'll come back for sure.
	Oh my god.
	Oh my god sorry okay so yeah well anyways, do you think men are insecure for caring about a woman's body count?
	Starting with you um, Are insecure for caring.
	Yeah, do you think men are insecure if they care about a woman's body count?
	Um, I think it would stem from insecurity, but everyone's like allowed to have their own preferences.
	It would stem from insecurity, but okay.
	I think that's subjective, um, because if you have someone that's just gonna sleep with anyone due to attraction, there's no saying, like, are they gonna do that if they're in a relationship with you if their body count is high?
	Okay, so you don't think it's insecure, and also I think it's subjective.
	I think it can be insecure.
	It's like really depends.
	Let me just tack on another question to this.
	Does body count matter?
	Should body count matter?
	I don't know if you want to add on to that.
	I think that's also subjective.
	Like, for me, I wouldn't really want to go for a guy who has a high body count because that just shows me he only values if someone is attractive.
	And if he's just like coming to me and trying to sleep with me, then he's not actually valuing me as a person and he doesn't want to get to know me.
	So then the gal, the gal next to you who said that it was a state of insecurity, that would not apply to you.
	I think that if as long as the person is safe and clean and, you know, doesn't put you at any level of risk and you understand your dynamic of their relationship, it doesn't matter.
	I am pro-Slaughter.
	It's just not.
	So she's not being insecure when she says that she would not want to have a man with a high body count, right?
	I think that insecurity shouldn't be a negative word.
	There's plenty of things I'm insecure about that I don't think are inherently negative.
	I personally would definitely be insecure if a guy had slept with 80 people, but it doesn't mean that I wouldn't date them or it doesn't mean that it matters to me.
	I think it's more.
	Okay, so then that means that she's insecure?
	You know, I can't speak for her.
	From my perspective, I think it comes from a place of insecurity and worrying about that person only valuing you for appearance, but I don't think that in this case, insecurity is a negative connotation.
	If I like had to say, Okay, so then that would be she's insecure, right?
	How am I getting this wrong?
	If I get with someone and they have a high body count, there definitely needs to be a discussion where they show me or like tell me, hey, yeah, temptation is there, but like it's my decision to reject that.
	And if we have that discussion and they're mature enough to have that discussion, then fine.
	But right off the bat, if someone is just trying to sleep with me, then that just tells me that they value attraction over anything else.
	Here, let's get everybody's answers.
	Go ahead.
	Which question?
	Both.
	Okay, I do think body count matters, but I don't think it stems from insecurity necessarily.
	I think it just shows that they care.
	I think it's a form of insecurity, but like at the same time, I think that the more people that you sleep with, the more energies that you can attract to yourself.
	So I'm indifferent on that one.
	So would you say that the gal who said that she would not want to sleep with a man with a high body count is coming from a place of insecurity then?
	It also comes from a place of danger where it's like I'm more likely to be able to do it.
	Oh, hang on, hang on, get into the mics.
	It comes from a place of danger where I'm not you.
	I'm not going to STDs as well.
	Would you say that she's coming from a place of insecurity because she just said she wouldn't want to date a man with a high body count?
	I think it's a little bit different for women, so no.
	I'm going to say it's not.
	Because men are notoriously known for sleeping with a lot of women.
	So I don't think that it's insecurity.
	Yeah, you guys get praised for how many women you can like pull in.
	That's because it's hard for men to do that.
	It's easy for y'all to do that.
	I mean, yeah, but I'm saying that's my justification of why I don't think it's insecurity for a woman.
	Yes for men.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	I think it depends.
	It could come from a bunch of different emotions.
	Like one of them could be insecurity or it could be like a religious thing.
	If you're waiting for marriage, you're not.
	What if they're not religious?
	What if they're secular?
	I still think.
	They don't want to wife up the time town bicycle.
	Then I think it could be insecurity or it could just be moral.
	I mean, like, we all know I have morals outside of religion, so it could be morals.
	Let's say he's immoral.
	He's immoral, then yeah.
	He doesn't have any morals.
	He just doesn't want to get with a promiscuous woman.
	Then yes, I think that would be a sexual insecurity.
	It would be sexual insecurity.
	Yes.
	So would it be sexual insecurity for a man to not want to date a woman who fucked a guy yesterday?
	Hmm.
	Like, date her immediately?
	Because I feel like if you just idiot.
	I mean, if you won't have sex with someone because they had sex with someone, like you won't have casual sex with someone because they had sex with someone else yesterday, that is valid because there's no way to know their STD status.
	Let's even say that.
	Oh, okay.
	Well, let's say they went and got an STD check literally right away.
	You had the results.
	It wouldn't be valid.
	Because it just takes like two weeks.
	So let's say someone had sex two weeks ago and they have a clean, clean bill of health.
	Plus there's a magical wand.
	Okay, okay.
	Well, we can say that about anything.
	No, no, no.
	It's just, let's say she went, she had sex five hours ago, but she comes to you and presents you with a clean bill of health.
	Then yeah, I would say it probably is.
	And like you said, I don't know.
	That's insecurity.
	I don't think it's necessarily a, I think everyone can be insecure in that way.
	Like, I don't want to be compared to the last person you had sex with.
	So then it would be insecure.
	I think it's subjective, too.
	I think it's secure or if it's like controlling.
	Yeah, it could also be controlling.
	It could be misogyny.
	It could be a variety of reasons.
	No, no, I just want to make sure I get this right.
	You have two kids, and your son, he's 16 years old, and he comes to you and he's like, hey, mom, listen, I really like this girl.
	She just fucked a guy 10 hours ago, but she did give me a clean bill of health.
	So I'd like to go have sex with her.
	Would you say, ah, that's fine, because you don't want to be insecure?
	I think it's weird to talk to your mom about that.
	Yeah, no, I've derailed.
	I would not let her answer.
	No, I wouldn't call my son.
	No, I wouldn't say it would be insecure not to do that.
	I would say make your own decision.
	No.
	No, I wouldn't.
	Oh, okay.
	So, but that would be coming from a place of insecurity from your son, right?
	Well, I thought he wanted to have sex with her.
	Sure.
	In this particular case, the guy wanted to have sex with her until he found out that she had sex with another person just a few hours prior.
	You said that was insecurity.
	I wouldn't tell him that if it's my son, but I think it definitely could be coming from a place of insecurity.
	Yeah, every person is different.
	So your son's just being insecure, that little bastard.
	Maybe.
	I don't know him.
	I think everybody wants to.
	The most secure thing you could do if you really wanted to be secure in your masculinity is go rail that fucking bra that you wanted to rail who just fucked another guy 10 hours ago.
	That would be the most secure thing he could do.
	I think everyone has different boundaries as well in terms of like choosing a sexual partner.
	Okay, so do you agree it's wrong in the opposite direction?
	Would it be okay for me to deny having sex with a man knowing that he has another sexual partner currently?
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	So then that's just your perspective of insecurity.
	But for me, I only wouldn't do it because I'm insecure.
	No, but I would only not have sex.
	That's not insecurity.
	I would only be wary of a body count based off of my own personal insecurity of not fulfilling the type of intimacy that they are seeking, whether they've had a lot of sexual partners due to, you know, a sex addiction or due to corn consumption or anything else.
	It would be coming from a place of insecurity for me personally.
	But I'm not saying for everyone, but for me personally.
	I would plant all of that as being true.
	And I'll ask you the same exact question.
	Your 16-year-old son comes to you, and let's say he's 18, and he says, I really like this girl, and I really wanted to rail her.
	But you know, mom, she fucked another dude 10 hours ago.
	And that just kind of grosses me out.
	That would be him being insecure?
	I would say if you really like her and you're willing to have an open conversation with her about exclusivity or not continuing that, then you should.
	But if it's something that makes you feel insecure, which I think if there's no risk, no risk of STDs, no risk of anything other than gross.
	I mean, to me, it's gross, but I think it comes from a place of insecurity.
	What's the difference between having sex yesterday and me having sex two years ago?
	What if someone had a body count of 80 but hasn't had sex in 1970?
	Okay, fine.
	Does that make them more pure?
	So then backing that up the edge of the city.
	Wait, can I sorry?
	Can I offer my question?
	Well, you just answered.
	No, no, no.
	I'm offering a question.
	If I say hypothetically, there's a person who has a body count of 80 people, but they've been abstinent for five years.
	Are they less gross than a girl who has a body count of two who had sex yesterday?
	Yes.
	Because they've been abstinent for 10 years, even though their body count's 80?
	That's still less gross, yeah, than fucking a chick who might still have another man's jizz in her.
	But why are you assuming she's having unsafe sex?
	Going back the other direction, then, from your particular logic, let's just go over your particular logic here.
	If that is a place of insecurity, then wouldn't it not be true that the most secure thing you could do, if you like this girl and he really wanted to rail her and she really wanted to have sex with him, and he just said I was a little bit grossed out by it, the most secure thing he could do would be to have sex with her.
	I think the original argument was just asking if caring about body count was insecurity, which I agree.
	That's what the argument was.
	Can you answer my question?
	Yeah, I'm answering, I don't think that it's a more secure thing because it's a completely different conversation as someone having sex, you know, a couple hours ago is a different conversation than their body.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	It's a different concept.
	So I'm not saying that that is insecurity.
	I'm saying the original argument stems from insecurity to some level.
	But I think it's totally valid.
	And I don't think it's insecure to choose to not have sex with someone who was just sexually active.
	But I think for some people, it could be an insecurity thing.
	For me, it would be a hygiene thing.
	Okay, so now we get into nuance.
	So let me ask you this.
	Why would it be insecure if this is the case and they have this preference and they say no?
	You say that's not insecurity and it's not the most secure thing you could do to then have sex with that person.
	Why would it be insecure if they extrapolated that out over more time?
	I believe the insecurity comes in the format of caring about the actual amount quantity of sexual partners.
	And the only reason I have that perspective is because for me personally, it comes from a place of insecurity.
	Okay, yeah, I know that you keep saying that.
	Yeah, but what's the question?
	I still haven't actually, I still haven't gotten actually an answer to this.
	First, you said it was insecure of him not to do this thing from 10 hours ago.
	They had a clean bill of health.
	Then you said, well, wait, it's not the most secure thing they could do.
	No, I didn't say it was.
	I didn't.
	But you're telling me I said something that I didn't say.
	And if you replayed any of what I had just said, I did not say that.
	I said, okay, well, then let me just ask you yes or no.
	I'm not going to give you any loaded questions.
	I promise none of them will be.
	Simple yes or no.
	Yes or no?
	Is it insecure if your son came to you, he's 18 years old, he said, hey, this woman I really, really, really like, really like her, she really likes me, had sex 10 hours ago, and that grosses me out, so I don't want to have sex with her.
	I would say that's no problem, and you should wait.
	That's not my question.
	Is it insecure?
	Not if, no, not if it's a hygiene issue.
	No.
	Okay, great.
	Well, okay, hygiene issue.
	I told you, it's baked in.
	She has a clean bill of health.
	There's no hygiene issue.
	What if her pH balance is?
	She's grossed.
	Hang on.
	He's just grossed out.
	He's just grossed the fuck out by it.
	I think this kind of insecure that he doesn't want to hump a chick who's full of another man's chicken.
	That's totally fine.
	I think this also dives into having standards.
	No, I think she needs to answer the question.
	Answer my question.
	Is it insecure of him to not want to?
	I already answered your question.
	I said no, it's not insecure of him.
	Yeah, but you're saying caring.
	I'm not a genetic issue.
	I'm saying there's no present.
	These conversations go through a plethora of different components.
	Did he have sex 10 hours ago?
	That's fucking disgusting.
	If he didn't have sex 10 hours ago, then it is not coming from insecurity.
	But if he had sex yesterday and he's judging her for having sex yesterday, it does come from a place of insecurity.
	Does that make sense?
	So then if he's chaste and she's not chaste and he doesn't want to have sex with her over a five-year plan, wouldn't that be the same exact logic applied and he's not being insecure?
	I have no idea what you just said.
	I know you don't, but I'll try it again.
	Assume that this is extrapolated over five years and he has chastity and she doesn't have chastity.
	And he finds out she's slept with 60 men.
	How does the same logic not apply here for his preference?
	I think it is a different scenario.
	Yes, well, but it's the same logic applied to the scenario.
	Okay.
	So hypothetically, as I said earlier, you said it would be better if someone had been abstinent for five years but had a body count of 80 versus 70.
	I didn't say anything about better.
	I was testing your logic.
	You weren't testing mine.
	Okay.
	Anyways, thank you so much.
	Had a great night.
	Wait, we got more questions.
	We got more questions here, okay?
	Body count.
	So did we go all the way around on body count?
	No.
	No.
	You answered, right?
	I don't remember.
	I think you answered, Craig.
	You're too far away from the mic.
	It does matter.
	It might be helpful if you scoot your chair into the table, but okay, what's your answer?
	Yeah, it does matter.
	Wait, you never revealed, by the way.
	You are.
	Yes, I'm very good, and I'm waiting for marriage.
	Okay, look at that.
	Oh, look at that.
	Kill of cereal.
	Cereal donated $200.
	A woman insecure for having a high body count while saying a guy is insecure for caring about it.
	What reason does a woman have for jeopardizing her self-worth by pouring out to live out of her means?
	Anyone want to buy on that?
	I have a question afterwards.
	Anybody?
	No.
	Bueller?
	Fueller?
	It's our kill of cereal.
	I don't know.
	They don't get it.
	Okay.
	Nobody wants to buy it.
	Women insecure for having a high body count while saying a guy's insecure for caring about it.
	What reason does women have for jeopardy?
	Okay.
	Some of you said body count doesn't matter, shouldn't matter, whatever.
	What's your body count, starting with you?
	Go ahead.
	Under 10.
	Under 10.
	I can count it on one hand.
	Five.
	Clarify, mine includes women as well.
	Includes women.
	Do you want to give the number or?
	No.
	Under 10?
	That's something I'm comfortable sharing to the internet.
	Rule number 76.
	No excuses.
	Play with a champion.
	Say what you want.
	Under 15.
	Under 50?
	15.
	Under 50?
	Excuse me?
	15.
	15.
	Oh, my God.
	I'm deaf.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	One.
	Wait.
	Really?
	Yeah.
	Wasn't it good?
	You didn't have fire.
	It didn't happen one time, but my count would be one.
	Was that your 1.5 year relationship?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Wait, so you lost your virginity at like 21?
	Yeah.
	Oh, late bloomer.
	Okay, there you go.
	Hey, it's fine.
	Late bloomers.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Why?
	Just curious, why did it, were you waiting for the right guy?
	Yeah, exactly.
	Maybe, I don't know, right woman?
	No, she's not interested in casual sex.
	Right woman?
	It was the right guy.
	It was a guy.
	Yeah, guy.
	Okay.
	You're not interested in casual sex.
	Did you want to wait until you were in love?
	Or did you just want the right guy?
	Yeah, just the right guy.
	I don't think love didn't really factor into it in terms of why wait, but like just not an interest in like hooking up.
	When you did find that right guy, like how long into the like how long into knowing him until you guys had carnal knowledge?
	A couple months, I think.
	A couple months?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Was he also virgin or no?
	No.
	No?
	Okay.
	Huh?
	All right.
	What about you?
	Girls for guy one.
	We'll do both.
	Why not?
	How many ladies have you?
	I feel like you got Riz.
	You like be just smashing all the birds.
	Smashing all the birds?
	The ladies.
	The ladies.
	Oh.
	You're just into the mic, though.
	Tell us about all the Riz adventures.
	Riz adventures?
	Yeah, you just been, dude, you went, you ran through the girls, right?
	You ran through them with your Riz, with your shades.
	You're just rizzing them up.
	Sunglasses indoors, sunglasses at night.
	Doesn't matter.
	The Riz God, the Riz can.
	They give them the smolder.
	Right?
	Yeah.
	Bro, beyond.
	Wait, question.
	Just like between boys, right?
	Like innies or outies.
	Wait, what?
	Innies or outies.
	What do you prefer?
	Innies or outies.
	What do you prefer?
	Oh, my gosh.
	Innies or outies, what do you prefer?
	I mean, the cue is kind of new, so.
	New?
	Yeah.
	What do you mean?
	New?
	What are you talking about?
	Are we talking about P and V?
	No, you have a penis?
	You have a penis?
	No.
	You have a penis?
	No.
	Okay, cool.
	Wait, but labia, you had a preference for innies or outies?
	You know, like women, like straight women, y'all have preferences for penis size, right?
	Oh.
	Like, you guys, sometimes you want a big peen, medium peen.
	I would never typically you don't never mess with a small peen.
	Wow, racist.
	Really?
	Personality first?
	That's racist.
	Yeah.
	Personality first.
	Personality first.
	Yeah, small peen losers.
	I don't fuck with them.
	Yikes, you're going to get some comments for that one.
	Wait, so what do you prefer?
	Well, right now, I guess.
	No, back with the ladies.
	You didn't have a preference?
	Like, bottom top?
	No, labia preference.
	No, like do you like the big vagina?
	Do you like how you have a bad person?
	I don't have a preference.
	Like large labia.
	Do you like when it's hammy?
	You know?
	Oh, I didn't really have a preference.
	No preference.
	You didn't care?
	No, I didn't care.
	You should paid attention to that, probably.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	Oh, wait.
	Zero.
	Wait.
	Oh, yeah, zero body count.
	Are you still...
	I'm in a relationship.
	All right.
	They know what it is.
	They know what it is.
	If you know what it is.
	Really?
	You don't like small peens?
	That's racist, dog.
	She's also.
	I'm a pro-slut.
	I'm pro-slut.
	I mean, damn.
	That shit's fucked up, man.
	R.I.P.'s in the chat for the boys.
	Okay.
	We have stochastic decay here.
	Hey, Brian, word salad girl plays the victim card whenever there's pushback with a brat.
	Props to the other panelists for not being brats and not pouting all show.
	Anyway, Autistic Girl has 12, 10 glasses.
	Bass is fucked too.
	Also, hi, Gustavo.
	I apologize.
	It's just my face.
	I'm not trying to pout.
	I'm just really tired.
	I think I just look like this.
	I swear.
	Wait, wait, wait.
	I'm RBF contest go.
	Look into this mic right here.
	That's a camera.
	That's not RBF.
	That's just like scary.
	I just, I have a screen.
	I do have RBS.
	And I apologize.
	I'm not at all trying to be bratty.
	I also don't think I'm really trying to play the victim card.
	I'm just being a devil's advocate the same way you are.
	Yeah.
	She's cleaning up.
	That was pretty demonic, though.
	I'll agree.
	That one was tough.
	That was tough.
	That one's tough.
	Did you?
	But at least you're not a brat, apparently.
	I hate brats.
	I know.
	How about me, though?
	I love you.
	Okay, go ahead.
	What about me, though?
	I love you too.
	I'm Woodowed or Daddy.
	I'm Woodowed Daddy.
	Oh, shit.
	Did you see my viral video on Times Square?
	No.
	It's my turf.
	You know that one?
	What?
	You've got like a fetish or something.
	This is for my big dog, my British big dog.
	You know?
	I don't know.
	I think there's therapists for that.
	He taught me everything I know.
	No, so like I went viral on Times Square for like barking and it was really funny.
	That's beautiful.
	Thank you.
	That's beautiful.
	And then I was with Matthew Siller and he was screaming at me.
	I made Nick a promise to not go talk about this route, but because of this panel, I just, I have to.
	I got to talk about this.
	And this is dating related, okay?
	Would you object to a man not wanting to date a trans woman, starting with you?
	Oh, boy.
	Would I would like would I not date him because of that?
	No, no.
	Would you object to a man not wanting to, like Gustavo here, if he was like, yeah, I don't think I would date a trans woman, would you object to that?
	No.
	As long as he's not being transphobic unnecessarily and like being unkind to trans women, if that's just like a personal preference, I think that's fine.
	Well, the personal preference is he wouldn't, he's not being transphobic or rude or mean in any way, but he would say essentially, I wouldn't date them because they're trans.
	I mean, I think it probably comes from a place of just like bias, but I mean, I can't say that someone needs to date someone that they're not comfortable dating.
	Like, I think, yeah.
	If they're completely post-op and like completely indistinguishable, maybe I would like is that possible?
	I don't think that's possible to be 100% indistinguishable.
	And if they still were really opposed to it, maybe I would question it, but no.
	In general, no.
	Well, let's assume that's the case.
	They've gotten surgery and they're taking hormones.
	They've gotten breast implants and wigs, or I don't know.
	They got the bottom surgery.
	And then the man still doesn't want to date them.
	I mean, I still can't really object to someone's personal dating preferences, you know?
	Going around the table on this.
	There will be plenty of men who want to, so it's okay if some men are uninterested in that.
	There's so many factors that go into dating preferences.
	You know, maybe their goal is biological children, and you can't do that with a transgender individual.
	I think those type of dating preferences, as long as they're non-discriminatory, are no problem.
	It would be discriminatory.
	Yeah, but if discriminatory, not in a bigotry sense.
	It's not in a hateful way.
	It's just a preference.
	I think it's weird to tell other people what to do with their bodies and what they subject themselves to.
	I agree with Luce with what she said.
	No, preferences, just don't be rude.
	Would that include to the redhead?
	I'm sorry, I'm terrible with names.
	Please don't hold that against me.
	I'm holding it against you.
	Gertrude, her name's Gertrude.
	Gertrude.
	I'm sorry.
	Call her Gertrude.
	I'm sorry, Gertrude.
	Would that include unaliving?
	You don't care if people unalive themselves because it's their body.
	What?
	Oh, bro.
	Okay.
	Good night.
	Hold on.
	Sit down, sit down, sit down together.
	This is actually a topic that I don't really feel comfortable talking about.
	I lost someone to unaliving.
	You can convince her.
	Get her a slice of pizza.
	Get her a slice of pizza, a C4, and some tater tots, okay?
	She'll be fine.
	What about your answer?
	What about your answer?
	We're talking about 100% straight.
	I honestly didn't even feel like that was a very invasive question.
	I understand that you feel it's not invasive, but I've heard the loss of the body.
	We're moving on.
	We're moving on.
	No.
	Let's just.
	No.
	I wouldn't date a trans man.
	Damn.
	That's crazy, Madison.
	You're a fucking bigot.
	Then I'm a bigot.
	Get her some tater tots.
	She'll be fine.
	Get maybe a blanket, a little blankie.
	Get her a blanket.
	Get her some tater tots.
	Mashed potatoes, even.
	Get maybe even.
	Oh.
	You got it.
	Look at this channel.
	Sorry.
	Wait, wait, I got you.
	Don't worry.
	This is.
	Whoa, okay, little tense.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	My roommate told me to take you.
	What?
	My roommate told me that you're our new roommate.
	Okay, she loves you.
	In my opinion, unaliving.
	Wait, wait, wait.
	Just don't even, don't even, don't even.
	Guys, that was the best part of my night.
	That was the best part of my night.
	What was the best part of your night?
	My little kiss.
	Anyways, I think to equate...
	Are you guys going to smash after this?
	I...
	I think to equate.
	I think there's a little chemistry.
	A little chemistry.
	A little chemistry.
	I won't deny.
	To equate unaliving yourself to an issue of not caring about.
	Oh my God, don't.
	Okay, go ahead.
	Shall we just move on to the next question?
	No, I'm trying to move on, but Barbara.
	Oh, oh, sorry.
	Sorry.
	We can move on.
	It just was, it's a sensitive subject.
	It's fine.
	It's fine.
	Okay, so we're related to the trans thing, though.
	So, okay, we're still related to dating.
	Would it be straight?
	God damn, I promise I wouldn't even go.
	Oh, my God.
	I promise, Nick.
	I just promise.
	I can't believe you're breaking a promise right now.
	It is really hot.
	It is hot.
	It is hitting hot in here.
	Don't take off your clothes.
	I am getting too hot.
	I want to take my clothes off.
	Excuse me?
	Your excuse.
	That was fire.
	So, whatever.
	What the fuck?
	What the heck?
	Well, should I get into voice?
	Would it be straight?
	Is it straight for a man to date a trans woman?
	This is the last time I'm ever asking this question.
	Yeah.
	Because she's like identifying as a woman in a woman's body, and it's like perceived as a heterosexual relationship.
	So I would consider that straight.
	Let's get everybody's answers.
	I would say that's a trans relationship, but that's also subjective to the people when I don't feel like I'm not a trans person, so I can't really define it myself.
	Word.
	No, biologically.
	That's not how that works.
	Not straight, okay.
	If she still has a penis, then no.
	What if there is no peen?
	I'd say it's pretty straight.
	Pretty straight, okay.
	Yeah, I think it's straight.
	Straight.
	What if there's a peen?
	Straight?
	I would question a straight man who would have sex with someone with a penis.
	I would question if they were fully straight, but if they said they were fully straight, then like I don't know.
	I mean.
	Damn, Andrew's losing his mind over there.
	Okay, what about you?
	No.
	Not straight?
	No, not straight out.
	Not straight, Maddie.
	Not straight out.
	All right, not straight.
	So you said straight.
	You said could be straight.
	You said straight.
	Regardless of the.
	Yeah, I think it's straight.
	I refrain to say that I'm just not trans, so I can't like define their relationship.
	But I also think sexuality is something that's so fluid and like plenty of straight people experiment with different types of relationships.
	It's not gay if you're sucked dick.
	Oh.
	Sorry.
	It's like the song.
	Okay, so straight, it's a short-form slang.
	Do you guys agree that straight is short-form slang for heterosexual?
	Okay.
	So how could it ever be heterosexual?
	Well, I can just ask this one question around the panel if you'll humor me, Brian.
	Without using the word gender, what does the word homosexual mean?
	A homo.
	Sorry.
	Damn, sorry.
	Same-sex attraction.
	Same-sex attraction has nothing to do with gender, but rather sex, biological sex.
	I got bullied in high school.
	I can use the slurs.
	So heterosexual would be based on biological sex as well.
	From a just definition standpoint, yes.
	So it wouldn't be straight.
	What is the definition of homosexual across the board?
	A homo.
	Sorry, I'm tired.
	Same?
	I'm just looking at my silly legs.
	I mean, it's same-sex attraction.
	It's same-sex attraction, but if someone transitions to the point where you perceive them to be that gender, you don't know.
	You don't know what their biological sex is.
	You can say that, oh, I can always tell whatever.
	But if you really can't perceive their biological sex, then how can you say it's not straight?
	They don't know.
	But if you can perceive their biological sex.
	I like to think that other people's relationships are not.
	Yeah, no, no, no, hang on.
	What if you can perceive their biological sex?
	What if you can?
	Why does it matter that much to you?
	You know, like, I just think let these people live their lives.
	Whether it matters or not.
	Okay, wait, I have a question.
	I have a question.
	Testing her logic.
	I know you need to jump in every time I'm talking to someone else, but I'm not talking to you right now.
	So I'm going to ask her again if it's okay with you, Your Majesty, if she can explain what she means when I ask her, what if you do know what her biological sex is?
	Well, personally, I would define it as same-gender attraction, but you said we can't say gender.
	So I mean, like, in that case, I guess, I mean, if we have to strictly go based off sex, then, no, it wouldn't be heterosexual, but that's not how I view same-sex attraction.
	And is gender a social construction?
	Tilted, tilted.
	Sorry?
	Wow, it takes fucking three women to get out of here.
	Oh, my God.
	At least we can change a lifeblood.
	Put our brains together.
	Sorry, what'd you say?
	That's pretty.
	Is gender a social construction?
	Yes.
	I don't think so.
	And did we agree earlier that social constructions don't actually exist in material reality?
	Yeah, so then I mean, does heterosexuality exist?
	Does homosexuality exist?
	I gotta.
	Well, yeah, those are biological terms.
	For instance, if you were to determine that two animals were homosexual animals, how would you do so?
	If we determined how they by like biological sex, because animals don't have biology.
	Oh, like biology.
	And are human beings animals?
	Yes.
	Oh, well, then I guess we can determine who's a homosexual and who isn't.
	We have a higher than every other animal, can't we?
	I mean, you could say that, but I mean, still, like, inexperienced, people who identify as straight can date trans people and still identify as straight.
	Like, you can tell them that they're not.
	You're identifying based on a social construction, correct?
	Yeah, and they're attracted to the social construction of someone else's gender.
	I don't know.
	So how would you identify if two elephants were engaged in a homosexual act?
	I would identify their penises, their P, in P, in B. Excuse me.
	It seems like it's pretty simple, right?
	And we're animals just like elephants, right?
	Well, yeah, but we have, elephants can't do social constructs.
	We can, so it's a little more nuanced.
	That's right, but social constructs don't exist in material reality, remember?
	I didn't say that.
	That's shit we just make up.
	It's a little more nuanced for humans, I think.
	I think if someone says they're straight and they want to die on that hill, then so be it.
	They're straight.
	I can't tell them they're not.
	Yeah, but why not?
	Because I have no idea.
	If it just means heterosexual or opposite sex, we do know what that means.
	If you were to identify that two elephants were heterosexuals, what would you be looking for?
	I already said what I'd be looking for.
	I'd be looking for their biological sex, but we're not elephants.
	Why is it that that does not apply to humans just because they claim the opposite of what is reality?
	Because humans are not elephants.
	We have minds that can construct things like gender and gender identity, gender, identity.
	Yes, we can construct these things, which do not exist.
	However, what is the difference between?
	Wait, you think gender identity doesn't exist?
	Why is it that if two elephants had sex with each other, you could say it's homosexual or heterosexual sex based on the sex, but for some reason you can't make that determination with humans.
	Because we're not elephants, and we actually do have gender identities.
	And if you look at someone like that, it's an identity.
	It does not exist absent the mind.
	What about people that are born intersex or both gendered, which is a relative majority of our population, and they choose to transition to one or the other?
	So biologically, they are technically both.
	Say I was born intersex.
	Hey, let's say that's a very good idea.
	Would I not be in a straight relationship if I was intersex?
	Let me just grant for a second that intersex people are a third sex.
	Sure.
	99% of transgender people do not identify, nor are they, intersex.
	So this would still be begging the question.
	Even if I granted to you that there was a third sex, which there isn't, but I just assumed that there was based on intersex dynamic, 99% of trans identity do not come from intersex biology.
	How would you discuss the double allele theory?
	So the double X, double Y chromosome that exists biologically.
	It's been linked to homosexuality as well as being transgender.
	People born with double X or double Y chromosome are supposed to be more feminine.
	No, actually, there are people who are not born intersex that do carry more male biology or more female biology.
	A perfect example is Castor Semania, biological female track and field runner.
	Let's just grant all of that.
	What is the percentage of trans people who hold such conditions?
	I would love to be able to do that.
	No, but my point is she is a biological female who will just grant all of the outliers.
	I will just grant that I am right all the time and that women have no perspective of the trans community and can have no input.
	And then think about zebras, guys.
	Literally granting your argument.
	I have never thought about zebra.
	I am going to zebra.
	I had never thought.
	That was so sorry.
	That was Nick back there.
	So let's try this again.
	Sorry, that's it.
	I'm granting everything you're saying as true, which is still irrelevant to my argument.
	Can we talk about something else?
	So assuming for a second, let's say it's 20% of trans people have an intersex community.
	Why are you so obsessed with trans people not being able to identify?
	Trans people can just like exist and that's okay.
	Let them live their lives.
	I'm trying.
	Well, I care.
	Otherwise, we ask you.
	Wait, no, I have an actual question.
	If a guy says he's straight, but he's fucking a trans woman and that makes him gay in your mind.
	Like, why does it bother you that he is falsely identifying as straight?
	You're co-opting too.
	No, I'm genuinely.
	I'm actually curious why it's a problem.
	That's actually awesome that you just said.
	Why does it bother you that he falsely identifies?
	In your logic, it's false because we're elephants and we can only identify based on biological sex.
	Because homo has a meaning, and the meaning is what?
	No, I'm saying if it is false, according to you, I'm granting you that it's false, why is it a problem that someone is, because I personally, I'm bisexual.
	I didn't know that for a long time.
	So I'll explain why.
	But besides my epistemology saying that it's immoral from the Christian ethic, let me also reiterate that it is a lie.
	And so if, unless you're saying that we should utilize lies for the greater good of society, are you making that claim?
	I'm so glad I'm not dating donated $200.
	There's five men about to break into your house to assault you.
	All six 175 plus pounds.
	You can choose five women at the table.
	Your choice, or Brian, sure.
	Six apostrophe at 454 pounds.
	Who has the best chance of protecting you?
	Who is Brian Shaw?
	Do they have a firearm?
	Yeah, can we have guns?
	Is there a firearm?
	Let's assume there's not, I think.
	I'm so glad I'm not dating.
	Is there a firearm?
	Guys, we're a woman.
	We have a kitchen.
	We have soup cans.
	We'll be okay.
	I honestly don't think either group could protect me against five men.
	I don't think five women could, and I don't think you alone could.
	Oh, you're not Brian?
	I'm just telling you.
	Brian Shaw, he's 6'8 ⁇ .
	Can we see?
	Who is Brian Shaw?
	I'm sorry.
	I'm sorry.
	He's 6'8.
	Wait, is your name not Brian?
	400.
	It is Brian, but he's talking about a different Brian House.
	Great example there.
	How about Brock Lesnar?
	That would have been better.
	Who's not as big as Brian Shaw, I guess.
	Brian Shaw, 6'8, 454 pounds.
	Who has the best chance of protecting him?
	I feel like you could send one of the girls to go get help, so I don't know.
	Okay.
	I don't know what Brian Shaw looks like.
	Is he like an MMA fan?
	Can you restate your question, Andrew, to her?
	But I do want to move on pretty soon, if you guys can.
	Sure.
	Sure.
	Yeah, no problem.
	So my question is, do you think that lying is good for society?
	No, I don't think it's good for society.
	Okay, so then why should I tell a lie?
	Why should you tell?
	You shouldn't.
	I mean, no one should.
	So you just asked me if my wife donated $200.
	Brian, you get so worked up for people not answering questions like age, et cetera.
	So, what's your body count?
	Don't be bad faith.
	Based off this clip zero, explain plaza.
	Okay.
	What?
	What's your body count?
	Hold on, well, there's a couple things there.
	First off, dude, we can't pull up links that you send in.
	We don't do that.
	That's not part of the TTS.
	But for people not answering questions like, hey, what's your body count?
	I don't answer the body count question, so there's not really high as a double digits.
	He thinks it's based off this clip zero.
	Do you feel like that's not being authentic?
	Like, do you feel like you're taking away from authenticity and honesty and you're contributing to a lying society when you don't share your body count on this platform?
	Well, your argument.
	Well, no, that wouldn't be a lie if he doesn't share it.
	Sure.
	You're right.
	So why was it wrong for her to not share her age?
	Well, if I share my age, what he said was that the rules of the platform were that he wanted to have openness from his guests.
	That does not require him to instead also be open.
	None of these things are lies, nor are none of them stated under false pretenses.
	If you can assert how they are, I'd love to hear it.
	34.
	Yeah, nothing.
	So if we don't.
	Wait, but I clarified that I was just being funnily condescending.
	It was not founded in like a genuine.
	And I was being funnily condescending back.
	Oh, okay.
	Life is beautiful.
	Would we?
	I love when we connect like this.
	Oh my gosh, is he making eyes at you right now?
	Oh my God.
	Nah, he got that perfect wife at home.
	No, he totally was not making eyes at her right now.
	Would we?
	So, Andrew, if you're fine with it, I'll just move on unless you do want to.
	Oh, yeah, we can just move on.
	If you want to make another point, that's fine, but.
	It's not a big deal.
	Okay.
	We'll move it on.
	Is lying hiding something about yourself, so your age or fake boobs or freckle tattoos just as bad as your significant other hiding something from you, like cheating on you.
	I think if it is in terms of having a significant other, like, yeah, you're lying.
	Like, you could lie about debt, that's still bad.
	It shows dishonesty and distrust, and it's going to build distrust in the relationship.
	I definitely think cheating is worse, though.
	Yeah, me too.
	Absolutely.
	Yeah, some lies are worse than others, I would agree.
	Yeah.
	But I think any, like, any regret I've ever had has always kind of been founded in dishonesty.
	I think it's just best to, like, go in.
	Have you ever cheated on somebody?
	Never.
	Okay.
	Nick, we're going to pull up her dating app profile.
	No, it's not mine.
	Oh, wait, sorry.
	It's mine.
	Oh, my God.
	Sorry.
	I got my wires crossed there.
	Guys, we're doing a segment called Dating App Review.
	This is our dear friend Northy.
	Yeah.
	A random fact I love is don't match with me if you're on some, I assume this means white supremacy BS.
	I'm not the one.
	I had like a really big issue with people only matching with me because I have like white skin and light eyes and it just like.
	How would you know that?
	Because like people say it.
	They would like, I would like start talking to them and they would text me and then they'd just be like, you know what?
	F black people though.
	And I'm like, what the hell?
	Yeah.
	Like sadly, I can totally understand that.
	I can completely understand I had to put it in there F black people, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah It was just so many But what if it's just their preference?
	Their preferences are just that.
	No, it was definitely really nasty kind of discussions that they were trying to.
	How many people did this?
	Like two?
	I was going to say, because I've never seen it.
	Like more than two, like two to five.
	Three.
	Out of the thousands of people you see on dating apps.
	I'm like so bad at them though and I barely talk to anyone.
	And then it just happens the people I do talk to are just like really like not great.
	Well to be to be fair, having gone on a different show that was a dating podcast, it was brought to my attention that there are men who hyper fetishize redheads or anybody who has that type of complexion.
	Like even with my eyes.
	And they see them as being associated with that community.
	This is what I'm told.
	I don't know if that's true or not, but this is what I'm told.
	Yeah, and my eye color is like, they're not really blue.
	They're more like a gray, and I'm Norwegian on top of that.
	So it's like I'm like the prime thing that they look for.
	Is that your natural hair color?
	I'm naturally a strawberry blonde.
	So that's not your natural hair colour.
	But she's got the complexion, the complexion where if you have the red hair, it can look enough like it because the freckles and this and that that that would be associated and that seems to be enough for some of these people.
	Yeah, it was getting like so crazy.
	And I honestly don't even like dating apps.
	I meet people more organically and like make friends that way.
	It's more fun.
	Word.
	Oh, the profile.
	Let's pull it back up.
	Okay.
	So it's would you swipe on her yes?
	Would you swipe yes or would you swipe no next?
	What the fuck?
	I've talked in yes for sure.
	Yes, swipe yes on me.
	I'll bark.
	Be silly little guys.
	Okay, next.
	Or I think that's it, right?
	All right, that's you looking like a lunatic in the library, I guess.
	It was a bookstore.
	And there's me at a concert.
	And I'm like, oh my God.
	It's not that bad, Brian.
	It's not that bad.
	Not that bad.
	We've seen worse.
	We've seen way worse.
	We have seen way worse.
	Wait, who is that?
	So I have the goofy picture on there because in a partner, I need someone that's also goofy.
	You need a goofy partner?
	Like, I need someone that can make me laugh.
	If you can't make me laugh, I get bored.
	Like, no, thank you.
	I don't know.
	I don't know.
	I just want to say that.
	She's like, we should make her laugh right now.
	We've had a lot of love connections.
	We've had a lot of love connections on the whatever podcast, and I just get, I don't know.
	I think there's, I think there's something.
	Oh my god.
	Are we best friends now?
	Yeah, I think so.
	We both know.
	Stop it.
	Get some help.
	Rudy would be like, you were making out before you even knew each other.
	We didn't make out.
	There's a perfectly perfectly skilled.
	Calm down.
	Calm down.
	Relax.
	Perfectly respectable.
	Yeah, dude.
	Would you bark for me?
	What the?
	Whoa.
	This is game.
	Wait, maybe not.
	Maybe you're not.
	No, no.
	Nick, would you bark for me?
	She's, she's.
	No, be honest.
	Would you bark for me?
	Nick, bark, dude.
	Bark for me.
	Don't do it.
	Wait, Nick, don't do it.
	Come here, boy.
	Nick, no.
	Don't do it.
	No, Nick, don't do it.
	Don't do it.
	Don't do it.
	Don't bark for me.
	This is some curse shit.
	Bark for me, boy.
	Come here.
	No, it's okay.
	You'll get blessed.
	Damn, bro.
	She's going to peg you up next.
	Next thing she's going to peg you.
	I'll get my strap, baby.
	It's okay, baby girl.
	You can bark for me.
	Are you guys going to make out right now?
	Is that what's about to happen?
	No.
	Three-way makeup.
	Bark for me.
	Don't be shy.
	Bro, that's scary.
	I know you hear me.
	Dude, you had her in the bag.
	You're about to fumble her with this barking shit.
	I don't know.
	I feel like I have to be like to talk because I'm tall.
	Yeah, you do have to be.
	This is a first in whatever podcast.
	Really?
	This is a first, I think.
	Have we had girls?
	We've had a lot of fun.
	Guys, raise your hands if you're a girl here who's ever pecked another girl on the lips.
	I love it.
	Okay, let me get through some of my pre-show notes here.
	I'll try to wrap up.
	I do have a lot of pre-show notes that we haven't even got to yet.
	So I'll try my best to do it as quickly as possible.
	So, Caroline, so you said you're a virgin.
	You're waiting for marriage.
	Are you religious, Christian, Catholic?
	I'm Catholic.
	Catholic, okay.
	You said you're base Catholic.
	Based Catholic.
	Can you tell us like the 10-second version of your love triangle story really quick?
	Did you fart Morrison?
	I'm sorry.
	I sent him my worst.
	I'm scared.
	I'm sorry.
	I remember that fart on the whatever podcast.
	I have farted before.
	He asked.
	This was my shortest relationship.
	It was two weeks.
	This guy, he was 26, I was 23, was inviting me all the time to the restaurant that he managed or was the bar manager at.
	And he was also hooking up with the waitress and the bartender and not telling any of us.
	And he asked me to be his girlfriend.
	I think I was his girlfriend for like a week.
	And then the waitress asked me what we were.
	I said, oh, he's my boyfriend.
	She said, oh, we just hooked up like 30 minutes ago.
	I was like, never mind.
	He's not.
	That's fine.
	I told him, you know, like, yeah, we're done.
	He was literally like shaking when all three of us were talking because he was like telling all of us different stories.
	Like, oh, she doesn't like you.
	Into the mic.
	He would be like telling each of us, oh, that girl doesn't like you because of like, he would give other reasons that didn't make sense.
	And I was just like, well, that's odd.
	I wasn't even asking about her.
	And she wouldn't be asking about me.
	And he was like, this girl's always coming to hang out with me at the restaurant.
	I don't know why.
	She's being so annoying.
	But he would be like, are you coming?
	Are you going to come after your job?
	I was like, sure, I'll come by for like 10 minutes.
	But yeah.
	Anyways, it was horrible.
	You said something that you disagree with.
	You have an issue with my whole bowing thing that I like women to bow.
	Well, you said in a relationship that you would prefer that, right?
	Can you define what you mean?
	Like, oh, yeah, yeah.
	Wow.
	Nick, Nick.
	Pull up the video.
	Pull up the video.
	All right.
	This is.
	This has to just be like a hot take.
	Like, there's no.
	Go ahead, Nick.
	Play that shit.
	Boom.
	Holy fuck.
	That's a great bow.
	Are you trolling?
	One more time.
	Hold on.
	Chill out.
	Chill out, dog girl.
	Hold on.
	That's just barking at her the entire night.
	She doesn't.
	Boom.
	Check that shit out.
	Skip forward a little bit to the food part.
	Who cares about that?
	Yep, there we go.
	Look at this.
	Attentive gets me a.
	I don't know if that's a, I don't drink, but alcohol.
	Look at this.
	Attentive, stirring my noodles.
	I don't really.
	She doesn't have to do that.
	Wow.
	That would be my best.
	Bowing, yes.
	One more time.
	One more time.
	Let's see the bow.
	The bow?
	Huge.
	Holy shit.
	Shit.
	Yes, it's not a joke.
	I want a girl to bow to me.
	That's weird.
	It's weird?
	Yeah.
	Bro, you've been barking.
	You've been balking.
	Okay, but here, listen here.
	I'm allowed to kingshame you because I'm the dominatrix in the room.
	You're allowed to kingshame me.
	Yeah, Dominiatrix.
	Kingshaming is my king.
	It's not.
	Wait, hold on.
	It's not even a sexual kink, though.
	If she's okay with it and like she's happy to do it and you're into it, it's all means.
	That's like weird.
	I don't know.
	I would honor and respect things.
	Yeah, I would be fine if like a guy like bowed at me back.
	And we'd be like, bow, we're just bowing.
	Wait, so what's your objection?
	Would you bow back?
	Hold on.
	Or would you not bow?
	Wait, get Nick.
	You've totally missed this.
	Why is it split, though?
	Hold on.
	That makes no sense.
	Okay.
	Would you bow back or no?
	Is it like only if she's bowing?
	No, I don't.
	No, I don't bow back.
	Only her.
	Only she bows back.
	So it just, I think it's weird because it's like you're from like the Western culture and it's a very, that's like an Asian culture thing.
	So I don't know.
	Yeah, I'm a cultural appropriator.
	I'm culturally appropriate.
	No, no, no.
	Wait, wait, wait.
	Bowing is very much a Western culture thing.
	I'm saying.
	Like in England, like with the queen and the king and the people.
	Hang on.
	Don't you go to Mass?
	Yes, but that's to God.
	And you bow to the body.
	Not to other people.
	Don't you bow your head down to your priest?
	No, it's towards the tabernacle, which has Jesus up there.
	No, not just the tabernacle.
	Your priest comes with the power of the power.
	I do not bow to the priest.
	No, I don't bow to the priest.
	I brow we bow to the priest.
	You don't bow to the priest?
	No, towards the tabernacle.
	Towards the tabernacle?
	That's a tribe.
	Which is where the priest is standing in front of when he's giving communion.
	Tabernacle.
	Okay, okay.
	So let me get this right.
	It is very much a Western thing to bow.
	I don't know where he got the idea.
	This is an Eastern tradition.
	It's also a Western tradition.
	Well, let me ask you this.
	Would you curtsy?
	If I lived in the 15th century to the queen?
	No, you're not the 15th century.
	This is not some old practice.
	If I saw the queen or the king in England for some reason now, yes, because over there.
	This is an American thing.
	Curtsying is an American thing.
	But no, I don't think there's anyone in America I would curtsy or bow to.
	I would want men to bow to me.
	Why?
	But why?
	I don't understand.
	Who's asking me over here to curtsy?
	Why wouldn't you, if he asked you to do it, he's the head.
	He is the head in your marriage.
	This is your faith.
	He represents the head.
	I wouldn't be Christ.
	You represent the body.
	Why wouldn't you bow?
	Because the head isn't, well, he's not Jesus.
	Like, I'm not.
	He doesn't have to be Jesus.
	That's not the point.
	He's the representation of Christ in the church, right?
	I guess I wouldn't be with someone who wanted that just because I think it's strange.
	That's my opinion.
	Strange.
	But is there anything actually wrong with it?
	I don't think it's not hurting anybody.
	There's nothing wrong with it.
	Would it be okay if a man bowed down to me?
	But now let me ask you.
	What if your husband liked it?
	Haram!
	Right?
	Hang on.
	What if your husband liked it and bowed back?
	Then would it be okay?
	I would just think it's strange.
	I mean, it's okay, but I think personally it's strange.
	I wouldn't want to do that.
	Wait, I have a question.
	Well, I was just saying.
	So then it's really just if you had to bow and he didn't bow back, that's where the real problem is, right?
	No, I think the whole thing would be strange.
	Even just the girl bowing, if it's them bowing to each other, and it's not like, like, I know you're saying it's part of our culture, but not in today's age here.
	I feel like it's very much not.
	Yeah, but Catholicism is very much a past tense.
	Everything you practice inside of Catholicism is based on traditionalism.
	Yes, but you are going to a mass which has been done for how many centuries that it's unchanging.
	In the faith, though, you don't bow to each other.
	Yeah, but it doesn't matter if you bow in it or not.
	Saying that this is not something which is done in modernity is kind of strange considering that you follow a practice which has nothing to do at all with modernity.
	So I don't understand the argument that you don't understand why I wouldn't want it in like a marriage versus doing it in my faith?
	No, I'm saying that if your argument is this is not something which is done in modernity in Western culture, well, that's a silly argument because Catholicism is still done based on traditionalism.
	They're still doing the same mass that they did, what, a thousand years ago, right?
	This is the whole point of it.
	So the question becomes: if you're following that practice from something which is traditional, bowing is most certainly traditional in Western cultures.
	What would be the actual problem there?
	I don't think I'm following.
	Oh, let me come in on this a little bit because she has a problem.
	Andrew, I don't think he requires bowing.
	I do.
	Requirement.
	If you don't want to bow, back to the streets you go.
	So you want to get married, right?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	I assume you want your future fiancé or boyfriend to get down on one knee, kneel in front of you, and spend perhaps even, I think what they recommend is three months' salary on a diamond ring, which probably costs orders of magnitude less than that's another conversation.
	I assume you want him to do that, correct?
	If the person just asked me standing, then I don't wouldn't care, honestly, actually.
	Well, you would agree it's typically traditional for a man to get down on one knee.
	Dad didn't.
	I think it was muddy and he didn't.
	Okay.
	Well, do you want the man to purchase a ring, I'm assuming, right?
	Yes, it doesn't have to be extremely expensive.
	But like, so all I want is a very token bow.
	You know, when you see me, maybe upon departure, maybe.
	So, but okay, I'll take one bow a day.
	I just need one bow a day.
	It takes three seconds.
	But kneeling for fiance, like, that's once every daily action.
	As long as it's your relationship, she's cool with it.
	I'm totally in support of you doing what you want to do in your relationship.
	Yeah, but like, if another girl finds it weird to wrap your head around, oh, that's okay.
	I could see it as being a sign of respect.
	I think we do other things just to do it.
	Let's see about.
	Come on, let's see.
	Men want to bow to me.
	Let's see about.
	Can you do a bow?
	Let's see about.
	I'll bark if you guys bow.
	If I bow to you, will you bark?
	Let's see about it.
	Show me a bow.
	Come on.
	Up you go.
	I will.
	I'll bark if you bow.
	Andrew will bark if you bow.
	Wait, Andrew's going to bark.
	Andrew, if you're going to.
	Andrew don't.
	If you'll bark, I will bow.
	I'll do it.
	You first.
	I'll do it.
	Go ahead.
	Just go.
	Just go to it.
	Oh, yeah, do it.
	That was actually not bad.
	I mean, there's a little bit.
	Let me give you some.
	Hold on, stay there.
	Let me give you a bow.
	Just so you know, I completely fucking lied.
	There ain't no way I'm barking.
	Andrew, how could you do that?
	I just thought you did that.
	Okay, I'll bark for you.
	My bow was for Andrew.
	She's going to sue you now.
	You're contractually obligated.
	I know, I know.
	You misled her, and now she's going to.
	Bow was decent.
	There was a bit of a motion in the knees.
	I didn't like it.
	I don't know.
	I haven't seen it.
	It was a bit jumpy, but it was, you know.
	But I think it's okay to show signs of respect in other ways.
	Okay, cool.
	You want to do bow?
	Anybody?
	I would love.
	What about you?
	Will you do a bow?
	I can do a sitting bow, but I wouldn't stand up.
	There's too many.
	I don't want to have to mess around with all the chicken.
	Yeah, you could just skip back.
	It'll take like five seconds.
	Okay.
	Dude, the patriarchy wins.
	Guys, the patriarchy wins.
	How about you get on your knees and propose to me?
	Get on your knees.
	Give me a proposal.
	No, Hold on.
	No, no, no.
	It's not religious.
	It's this.
	It's that.
	It's kind of like, yeah.
	Yeah, I don't know.
	There you go.
	That was, you could have gone a bit deeper.
	It was a bit disrespectful.
	I'll accept it.
	I'll accept it.
	But I'm pretty sure.
	It was to the chat.
	Wait, can you give me an example of a bow?
	I take back everything I said.
	They're all bowing.
	Look at this, dude.
	The patriarchy, but at five hours into the public, the patriarchy.
	I thought the patriarchy didn't exist.
	All the patriarchy wins.
	Patriarchy wins.
	I thought you guys claimed that the patriarchy wins.
	Patriarchy wins.
	I'm sorry.
	Is it not empowering them?
	We chose to bow.
	It was a under my authority.
	No, I was bowing.
	I could have said no.
	That's a dominatrix.
	Did you bow to me?
	Definitely the first one's again.
	Wait, what?
	It always does win.
	I mean, that was our argument.
	You're kind of agreeing with us.
	Last thing on the bowing thing.
	Also, the crazy thing to me is: you'll have a girl, right, who will object to the bowing thing.
	But, but, like, they'll argue with me or they just would, like on the panel, right?
	No, I would never bow to a guy, but within an hour of meeting a guy, you'll let him splooge on your face.
	I won't.
	Wait.
	Who are the people you're talking about in these days?
	I don't think it's any girls here except like a couple, but.
	Women won't bow to men, but let them jizz on her face.
	Of course.
	What do you think?
	Of course.
	What world?
	In what world are you telling?
	Like, bro, who individuals?
	I'll tell you.
	Wait, wait, I'll tell you.
	I'll tell you.
	Let me give you a better example.
	Do women get on their knees all the time for men, including women at that table?
	Who the hell is all the damn time?
	Bro, we live in the house.
	You know who get on their knees for me?
	You know who get on their knees for me?
	A lot of guys.
	No, A lot of guys are not.
	Listen carefully to what I'm saying.
	Listen carefully.
	A lot of guys are saying that.
	There are guys and women at this table who have gotten on their knees for men during a specific act.
	I've gotten on my knees.
	Are you talking about carnal knowledge, Andrew?
	Carnal knowledge.
	Carnal knowledge.
	I'm guessing most of the women at the table have gotten on their knees for the carnal knowledge act, but bowing is just a little too much.
	I don't know about that.
	That's misogynistic, Andrew.
	Well, I don't know.
	I'll use Missandris to hide the fact that.
	Probably most of you have gotten on your knees for a man at some point, but the whole bowing cast is just too much.
	I said, I don't know.
	I think as long as.
	I see you laughing.
	I see you guys smiling because you know it's true.
	You know it's true.
	No, as I said earlier, I think as long as she's okay with it and that works in your dynamic of the relationship, that's totally fine.
	Here's where I typically hear the argument that I just make: a guy will be like, well, my girl, she doesn't want to cook for me.
	And the girl will be like, well, bro, you're not like, you don't get those kind of wife duties until we're married or whatever bullshit.
	And it's like, you will S the D with ferociousness, but you won't even make your guy a sandwich.
	You won't even do a bow, but you'll like let him blast on the face.
	It's just crazy to me, son.
	It's crazy, son.
	Would you trade like a woman just bowing to you instead of like making you food?
	Would you like trade that?
	Wait, what's the trade?
	You would try it all.
	Taking like all of the benefits are within the realm of what I want and expect.
	Has this like worked for you in practice?
	Have you had like a long-term relationship with you?
	On the bow front, dude, on the bow front, you don't even want to know, dog.
	I'm killing it on the fucking bow front.
	Chicks, bro, it's crazy, son.
	Some people like this.
	It's crazy, bro.
	On command, on command, bow, boom.
	Oh my god.
	Bow dom.
	Done.
	I would die.
	It's done.
	I mean, that's impressive that you've found multiple women that will do that.
	So your body count is like.
	Yeah, you're random.
	I'm a virgin.
	Dude, I'm a virgin.
	Are you?
	I'm a virgin.
	Guys, is it more ran-through if every girl you've ever slept with bows down to you?
	Yes.
	That counts for like double body count, bro.
	If a girl bows to you, it counts for like three bodies.
	That totally.
	That's at least three bodies right there.
	I don't know.
	That's some kind of crazy math.
	Girl math be like girl math.
	Girl math.
	It's girl math.
	It's gone.
	All right, I got to move on from the bowing thing.
	But I don't know.
	I'm telling you, ladies, if you're struggling on the guy front, just fucking, just try a bow, dude.
	He's going to, I'm telling you, it's going to work.
	He's going to like you more.
	I'm just saying, I'm just saying.
	Okay.
	Northy, you said you consider yourself a centralist.
	I don't know what the fuck that means.
	I don't know either.
	You said that you.
	We'll do split here.
	You said you love doing Dom and Soft Dom, Pillow Talk, Ismr.
	I'm not going to name the other ones.
	Eye contact content.
	So what is doing Dom and Soft Dom?
	I'm not really sure.
	Can we get sample?
	Oh, like right now?
	Nothing physical, but maybe like verbal.
	Do you want mommy to tell you you're a good boy?
	Excuse me?
	Like that would be soft Dom.
	Hard Dom would me being like, you're fucking pathetic.
	I hate you.
	Damn, what the fuck?
	Yeah.
	It's like you're a fucking loser.
	Shut up.
	You're not allowed to speak unless spoken to.
	Shut the fuck up.
	Okay.
	Keep telling yourself that.
	What is so?
	What is pillow talk?
	Here, just do it to the audience right here.
	Right here.
	I want you to run your hand up your thigh for me.
	You know, it's like just like dirty talking.
	Now slowly unzip your pants.
	This is actually against Twitch terms of service.
	Okay, so this is just goddamn, bro.
	Trying to get me canceled and shit.
	Well, I stopped before it was against terms of service.
	Okay, All right.
	You're so welcome.
	Okay.
	Eye contact content.
	What is that?
	You just.
	Can we like get a zoom on my face?
	It's right here.
	That's the best we can do.
	Go ahead.
	I feel like I need like a person to like look at.
	I don't know.
	Maybe we could get like a.
	Kelly's blue eyes.
	Yeah, see, like that.
	The live reaction right there.
	That was hot.
	Why people?
	You know?
	It's like eye contact, you know?
	Oh, man.
	Okay.
	You do FinDom.
	Fin Dom.
	Financial Domination.
	Yeah, like you.
	So you just siphon money from men, basically.
	Yeah, I siphon them from losers specifically.
	From losers?
	Yeah, they're fucking losers.
	What the fuck?
	They're fucking losers, and they sent me $100, and I'm like, that was fucking pathetic.
	Add another zero, stupid idiot.
	Fuck.
	Yeah?
	But I'm trying to transition out of that.
	I started a YouTube channel where I interview drunk people.
	It's called Hard Ones.
	That sounds great.
	It's great.
	Cool.
	Bless you.
	How much money did you make doing the Dominatrix shit?
	I don't know.
	I don't really.
	Six figures?
	Keep track.
	Six figures?
	I wouldn't say that because I don't do full nudity or anything.
	So it's a bit different.
	There's a cap to how much money I can make.
	Did you ever do anything in person, Dominatrix style?
	No.
	Nothing?
	So this was all done via tax?
	It's just done over OF.
	Yo, over OnlyFans.
	Yeah.
	I don't know.
	I feel like a lot of girls claim they do this shit, but they actually aren't.
	They don't like really know because I don't know if you saw that video that was on Reddit like a day or two ago.
	There's like she used to work for the Howard Stern show.
	Maybe the viewers in the chat know what I'm talking about.
	It was a girl driving, and then there was a guy in like a blue, blue shirt.
	She smacks him, smacks him up.
	And I assume there's some kind of weird, like, kink dynamic going on there.
	But she's totally fucking it up, but she smacks the dude in the face, and like, I don't know, they're just fucking up the whole kink thing or whatever.
	And then he, like, she starts hitting him, and then he defends himself and fucking like grabs her hair and is fucking.
	So I feel like a lot of girls like do this shit.
	I think it's like not so polite name.
	I think a lot of girls that claim they do this stuff just kind of make money off like selling workbooks, to be honest.
	Oh.
	On like how to do like financial numbers.
	Would you say total that you've made doing the Dom thing is less than $2,000?
	No.
	It's good.
	Is it more than $10,000?
	It might be.
	I just kind of started doing it.
	I started doing it this year, so I think I'm probably at.
	I've been making, I don't know, like over $2K a month doing it, but like I said, I'm just starting out.
	Where's all the women who want to be fucking fined, bro?
	There are women out there, but like, I think they're looking for more in-person kind of stuff.
	Yeah, I don't know.
	Yeah.
	Anyways, last quick thing on that.
	You also do like ASMR shit.
	Go ahead.
	You have to like have headphones on to hear it, but I'm sure the audience can hear it.
	All right.
	You wanted to talk about not being willing to have sex right off the bat seems to piss a lot of guys off and it gets pretty interesting.
	Yes, they get mad.
	They get mad, mad.
	I'll tell them right off, like, I'll be like, hey, I'm not like that.
	I'm not going to have sex with you.
	Like, don't expect anything out of me.
	You're not going to get it.
	And it just, like, they always seem to feel like they can try and convince me.
	It doesn't work out in their favor, and then they get pissed.
	Do you?
	So, wait, so hang on, hang on.
	So, you're saying that you know that their intention is that they want to have some type of sexual relationship with you.
	And you explicitly know that, but still continue to lead them?
	No, that is absolutely not what I said.
	What I said is, like, I'll go on dates with guys, and I'll tell them straight up, hey, I'm not going to sleep with you.
	Like, I just met you.
	It's not happening.
	And they will take it upon themselves to try and convince me otherwise, either through like emotional manipulation, begging, whatever.
	It just gets like really weird.
	Some get like borderline violent and it's just like weird.
	I didn't know I drive them crazy.
	This is just for dates.
	This has nothing to do with the FenDom stuff.
	Yeah, this is just for dates.
	Okay.
	They're insane.
	They're crazy.
	Yeah.
	Well, if the guy doesn't want to have sex with you, he certainly shouldn't, or if you don't want to have sex with the guy, maybe you might still like him, right?
	But you're not ready or whatever.
	He certainly shouldn't push it.
	Yeah.
	I do think, though, this isn't really central to the topic.
	I do think, though, a guy's totally within his right.
	If you're not interested in having sex, he can just be like, okay, well, I don't want to date you then.
	Well, that's fine.
	I'm sure you're not going to date someone that just wants to use me for my body.
	So the trash takes itself out.
	But I'm sure you'd be fine, though.
	Like, if the guy you'd, I assume you'd prefer the guy just being like, okay, well, I don't want to hang out anymore.
	Yeah, I would much prefer that.
	Sure.
	Yeah.
	Like, then we're on the same page.
	Like, I'm not what he's looking for, and he's obviously not what I'm looking for.
	Okay.
	Good times.
	Good times.
	Question though: have you had sexual encounters where you did have sex relatively quickly?
	No.
	Never.
	Okay.
	I think that's where some guys get frustrated because it's like it's one thing if that's been the girl's standard for all of her sexual encounters or relationships.
	She waited three dates, three months, whatever it is.
	But then to switch up, I can see where a guy would get frustrated there because it feels like it's sort of this switch up of values, which sometimes seems very arbitrary, especially in the case of, for example, let's say I was dating a girl.
	Brian's teeny attorney, one of the dopest mods over on Twitch and on our Discord.
	Hey, thank you so much for the gifted 20 memberships.
	Appreciate it.
	I mean, I've definitely encountered like, you know, I've dated a girl who she told me, well, here's my body count, blah, blah, blah.
	I've had sex relatively quickly, but I want to wait three months with you.
	And it's like, well, that's your right, 100%.
	But I would feel kind of like I'm getting a raw deal if I like.
	So in that situation, I'd just be like, well, we can have a conversation about it.
	Me personally, like me personally, I'm just like, hey, I'm not really interested in waiting that long.
	I respect that you are.
	And if there's a mismatch there, if you're 100% respected, oh shit.
	Okay, AB check.
	Thank you for the gifted 20 memberships, man.
	Appreciate it.
	Thank you so much, man.
	You know, maybe they're, you know, if there's a compromise, great.
	If not, I think there's a mismatch in what you want, what I want.
	So maybe, you know, we want different things.
	Maybe it's best we just, hey, it was nice meeting you, but we want different things.
	Let's part ways.
	Yeah.
	I don't like knock anyone who does like have casual sex, but for me personally, it's like I'm not trying to waste my time with casual sex and I'm not trying to like date casually.
	So like anything that comes my way, it just needs to go.
	Well, even for even for a long-term relationship, for me, I'm not interested in just having sex with a bunch of women.
	Like if I have sex with a girl, I want there to be continuity.
	There absolutely would, like if I have sex with a girl barring some like insane behavior post-sex or something, I don't know, she stabs me or some shit.
	Like there will be guaranteed I will continue seeing you and there will be continuity.
	I'm not interested in just having sex with a girl once, never seeing her again.
	Doesn't interest me.
	Do you think I would stab you?
	Probably.
	Yeah.
	I kind of get there's something that look in your eyes.
	I'm a little frightened, a little scared.
	That's kind of nice, right?
	Like over under like 50-50 stabbing gents, I think.
	Definitely.
	So, okay, anyways, moving on, let's see.
	Changing, negotiating, good boundaries, changing, negotiating yourself for a person.
	Oh, yeah, I sent a lot.
	I'd love to have some goofy lighthearted moments on your show.
	Okay, well, Donna.
	I think it needs more of that because it helps people open up more.
	Right.
	Yeah.
	It was just.
	You should honestly start the show with everyone like bowing.
	I probably should.
	Actually, that'd be pretty based.
	Okay, you want to be on the show?
	You got to bow.
	You got to bow.
	I'm kind of curious.
	Can I ask a question?
	Sure.
	Go ahead.
	Do you guys like Lil B?
	Who's that?
	So you say based, but you don't even know, you don't know Lil B?
	Who the fuck is that guy?
	Who?
	Base God?
	Lil B. Lil B, like the based god?
	The person who made the word based up?
	That's where based comes from.
	You should worry about it.
	You should learn your history.
	No, I actually.
	You should.
	You should.
	Do you see all of the whatever posts that are behind you?
	Like, literally all over the windows?
	Yes.
	Who came up with those?
	The word whatever.
	No, who came up with those?
	I'm not sure.
	I don't know what even.
	Why don't you know your history?
	I don't get it.
	What?
	No, I was actually curious because I've always wondered how based went from being like a low B, like base god thing to being like a right wing, like, oh, that's based.
	I'm not sure how the transition.
	I'm not going to believe you that that's its origin for why the right wing says it.
	I think that that's probably nonsense.
	But assuming for a second.
	Looking is real.
	I need to break it to you.
	Assuming, assuming for a second.
	Let's not have a debate about Lili.
	I was thinking about it.
	It was an actual question.
	I really thought.
	I don't know where the origin of the word cool came either.
	I have no idea.
	Do you?
	Where did the word cool come from?
	Jazz, I believe.
	Like cool jazz.
	I'm not a lingerie.
	Is that where it came from?
	Are you sure?
	Yeah, some language.
	No, but I did take a listening to jazz class.
	There you go.
	What about the word hipster?
	Where did that come from?
	It came from the hipsters, obviously.
	Anyways, sorry, the thing is, here's where the music is.
	Can you see stochastic decay knows the majority of the colours?
	What about the dictionary?
	Hold on, hold on.
	Let me move things on.
	Let me move things forward.
	We have Nicole Eightball over here.
	Why is your name?
	Wait, scooting to the table, please.
	Why is your name 8 ball, Nicole?
	Oh, my favorite number is 8, and I don't know.
	I guess I always like the 8 ball on the billboard, the little billard.
	I don't know, for example.
	Yeah.
	You said you grew up in the bay.
	You were mainly lesbian, but started liking men.
	We talked about that.
	You said modern dating is hard.
	I agree.
	Women shouldn't have high body counts and should be more traditional.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Cool.
	Good talk.
	Good talk.
	Anything you want to talk on?
	Into the mic and maybe scoot into the table a little bit.
	How tall are you?
	I'm short.
	I'm 5'2 ⁇ .
	Just 2'6.
	I'm really short.
	I don't think you might be shorter than that.
	Don't cap.
	Oh, no, I'm 5'2.
	Okay, okay.
	Wait, do you want to just like at the end of the show, you want to just do a little eye reveal?
	Do it.
	No.
	Do it.
	Wait, do you have like a lazy eye?
	Is that it?
	No, I guess.
	It's okay.
	Like, lazy eyes are fun.
	No.
	I just.
	You just what?
	I just don't show it.
	Why?
	Why don't you show it?
	Oh no, it just is awkward.
	Eye contact's really awkward for you.
	Well, what if you take them off, but you just don't look anybody in the eyes?
	Yeah, just look around awkwardly.
	Can we see it?
	Wait, hold on.
	Actually, wait, this could be, I don't know if you guys agree, this could be a real growth moment here.
	I feel like, you know, I understand.
	No pressure, though.
	Yeah, no problem.
	Yeah, no, no obligation.
	I understand that there's some social discomfort with having your eyes be visible.
	But I do think that, you know, you're 30 years old, right?
	I do think it is important.
	I think this is something that can be overcome, and I think you're limiting yourself.
	I think it's a limiting belief.
	And I think right here on the whatever podcast, I'm going to put you through a little bit of exposure therapy.
	So let me just.
	You don't take off the glasses?
	I got you, bro.
	Trust me.
	Trust me.
	No?
	I can't.
	No.
	But growth.
	But growth?
	Growth doesn't happen in like five minutes.
	Maybe when the cameras are off, you can do it.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	You don't have to do it on cameras.
	Do you wear them at nighttime as well?
	Yes.
	Sometimes.
	Yeah.
	Look, all right, we're going to do this together.
	We're in this fucking together.
	I'm also autistic, okay?
	She said she was autistic.
	That's why she needs the glasses.
	All right, watch here.
	Follow my lead.
	Ready?
	Put your hands up.
	Ready?
	Follow my lead.
	Ready? Simon says.
	Yeah, just come on. Come on.
	Be a traditional, submissive woman.
	Ready?
	You said you wanted to be traditional.
	Modern dating's hard.
	I'm helping you out here.
	Ready, ready?
	Come on, come on.
	She's gay.
	No, she's not going to buy now, like, I guess.
	When's the last time you've had carnal knowledge?
	What?
	Sex.
	When's the last time you had carnal knowledge?
	What is that?
	Carnal lingo?
	Sex.
	No, sex.
	Carnal lingo?
	Is that a real English?
	Yeah, carnal knowledge.
	I got a retarded.
	Hey, story, please.
	Like, um.
	What?
	Last month.
	A month ago?
	With the guy?
	With the guy?
	Yeah.
	Wait, are you guys still talking?
	No.
	You fucking cheating on me?
	What the fuck, bro?
	I didn't even know we were together.
	What the fuck?
	Damn, bro.
	All right, look, check this shit out, right?
	Okay.
	I'm helping you out here.
	This is a growth.
	This is a moment of growth.
	I'm fucking Tony Robbins, okay?
	Get your hand, get your index fingers and your thumb on the, the, the, the, uh, I don't know what they're called.
	You ready?
	She's not going to do this shit.
	No.
	Watch this shit, boys.
	Holy shit.
	Fuck, bro.
	Holy shit.
	Holy shit?
	Wait, you did it.
	I did it.
	What the fuck?
	I'm confused, though.
	I thought you weren't dating that dude, but you fucked him a month ago.
	What's up?
	She did say it was complicated.
	Situation ships?
	Perhaps.
	Wait, do you like wear them during sex?
	No.
	No.
	Wait, into the mic, bro.
	No.
	There you go.
	You don't wear the sunglasses during sex?
	Is it autistic sex?
	Is he autistic?
	No.
	No.
	I'm confused though.
	Why don't you wear it during sex?
	I mean, that's like super intimate, bro.
	Did you fall off anyway?
	I don't know.
	I don't know.
	Those look pretty sturdy.
	Okay, all right.
	I'm done.
	I'm done.
	All right.
	Arya?
	Aria?
	Aria?
	Arya.
	Wait, you did say you were.
	Did you say you were a feminist on the show?
	I said I didn't know.
	Remember?
	In your notes.
	Oh, I'm just getting to this now, fine.
	In your notes, you said you were feminist.
	I didn't have the correct definition of it.
	Okay, all right.
	You said you're a spiritual healer.
	We talked about that.
	Single dating.
	You've mostly been dating sugar daddies.
	The only relationships that I had for love were when I was younger, and those men did not appreciate me and were jealous because I was making more money by dancing.
	I think they hated me.
	I just recently stopped dating sugar daddies and have gone for almost genuine connections with men that have no issue financially or emotionally spoiling me.
	Accurate.
	I thought you were currently seeing a sugar daddy.
	Well, I established that I don't really like label them sugar daddies.
	Like that's kind of just for the internet.
	I prefer the spoiled girlfriend route.
	So you do you believe you want to be financially and emotionally spoiled?
	What does it mean to be financially and emotionally spoiled?
	Financially spoiled means like as long as it's realistic and you have the funds, you'll buy something for me.
	Emotionally spoiled just means to the best of your capability, you're there for me emotionally.
	A lot of men kind of lack that.
	So you want to be financially spoiled.
	Andrew, you got something on this, I'm sure.
	i'm sure yeah i was uh so so i have a great argument for the law of attraction that i thought i might run by you You do realize that in order for the law of attraction to work, you would have to actually be interfering with somebody's wills and compelling them to your own will.
	Isn't that immoral?
	Law of attraction was like a slip-up earlier, and it's art of seduction.
	The art of seduction would work the exact same way.
	You said you have to believe in it, right?
	So in order to believe in it, you are putting your will to power.
	That is what is making the other person conform to your will, yes?
	Sure.
	So if that's true, then that means that you're interfering with their will.
	Sure.
	Yeah, and do you think that that's moral?
	People make their own decisions.
	I'm not putting a gun up to.
	Moral to interfere with a person's will, then what would actually be your argument against slavery?
	I don't have an argument.
	No, you don't have an argument.
	I don't.
	I'm just saying, if it is true that you can use magic in order to interfere with a person's will, and they would not make the same decision they would ordinarily make due to your magical prowess, how could that possibly not be immoral and not akin to slavery?
	We're talking about art of seduction, right?
	Not magic.
	You know, but you said earlier that you utilize magic for this art of seduction.
	I think I was referring to like actual alchemy.
	Art of seduction and magic aren't together.
	You want to wait.
	So you cast no spells, do no sort of magic for the interest of love.
	No, for love?
	Absolutely not.
	What about for material gains?
	No, I'm sorry.
	Just a little one.
	I was distracted.
	What?
	What about for material gain?
	For material gain?
	Yeah, you can do money magic.
	You can do all that.
	Well, then that's the same thing applied.
	If you're doing magic for those things, you still would necessarily be interfering with a person's will in order for them to deliver those goods to you.
	Okay.
	Isn't that?
	I'm sorry.
	My back hurts.
	My titties are too heavy.
	Your titties hurt?
	I'm trying to be here and I'm trying to be aware.
	It's just been a very long podcast, and you're like talking about magic, artist seduction, and slavery.
	I can't do it anymore, bro.
	I can't.
	I'm tapped out of this one.
	All right.
	I'll try to wrap up here soon.
	Thank you.
	Just a couple questions that are pretty simple here.
	You said that your Twitter username is Braddy Sloot.
	Yeah.
	Cool name.
	Thank you.
	On your TikTok, it's Stripper Witch.
	Yeah.
	So you're a witch.
	Yes.
	I prefer alchemists because a lot of people, yeah, a lot of people don't like the terminology of like witch.
	But yeah.
	But alchemy is the pursuit of changing base metals into gold.
	Alchemy is not the pursuit of magic.
	Alchemy can be, it's honestly transformation of anything.
	You can take something intangible like energy and then manifest tangible results.
	And do those results require other people's will?
	Sometimes, yeah.
	If that's true and you compel their will, then aren't you making them your slave?
	Oh my God.
	Shut up, please.
	I don't understand why this is an upsetting question.
	Be nice.
	You're annoying.
	Be nice.
	Be nice.
	She said her back hurts.
	Because of the titties?
	Because of the titties.
	You have the titties are turning.
	Andrew, be considerate.
	Her giant titties are hurting her back.
	Please be considerate of her giant titties, please.
	My fucking is screaming.
	Sorry, Andrew.
	Okay.
	Let's see here.
	I think.
	Oh, is that Alexandra?
	Who's Alexandra?
	Do we have an Alexandra here?
	I don't know.
	We had a bunch of fucking no-shows.
	We had the fucking, the fucking, the sub-one chick, an Alexandra, some other Shelly fucking no-show.
	Good shit.
	So I think that's all my pre-show notes.
	I'm trying to think if there's anything else.
	We didn't go into my thing completely.
	I mean, we don't have to.
	It's fine.
	Hold on, let me just see what I missed from you.
	We get distracted, I get it.
	What'd you miss from the Catholic chick?
	These other chicks had so much attention, barely anything on that side, Brian.
	Well, The only notes I got from her was Virgin Waiting for Marriage, Love Triangle Story, and she disagrees with the bowing thing.
	And we covered it.
	That's it.
	Yeah, that was it.
	Do you have anything you want to talk about?
	Sorry.
	I think I talked about porn because I think on another podcast you said it's not like a drug.
	And that's, I disagree on that one.
	Oh, yeah, gooning.
	Like, gooning is like totally like a drug thing now.
	Well, I don't know precisely what I've said, but I think I don't think that let's just assume, let's just say there is porn addiction.
	I don't think it's approaching anywhere the severity of like a drug addiction.
	Do you know what gooning is?
	No, I don't know what is.
	Okay, so like gooning is like when you're edging and you just like edge for hours and it puts your brain into a trance.
	What is edging?
	It's when you touch your peepee, but you don't let your peepee come, but you get close to the kami wummies.
	And despite that.
	Okay, so let's assume for a second that I don't speak psychobabble.
	Can you repeat that in English?
	Get the rocks.
	Above.
	Get the rocks.
	Get the rocks.
	Okay, so it's when you are masturbating.
	I think it's usually with a male.
	I don't think women do it.
	Yeah, women can edge, but like it's like it's like a very popular male thing that's going on right now where you do with a you masturbate.
	Wait, just let me explain it all for you.
	Okay, baby girl.
	So you will.
	Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
	What'd you call Brian?
	He's baby girl.
	Whoa, whoa.
	He's blushing.
	I don't know.
	Let me just get that.
	You got to stand up and bow as a form of apology now.
	That was pretty rude.
	It was super rude.
	It was super rude.
	It's okay.
	Let me get through this.
	No, no, no, no.
	It's not okay.
	You're going to have to do the bow.
	Listen to the patriarchy.
	Okay.
	Listen to the whatever patriarchy.
	Listen to your goddess.
	I need to see a bow right now.
	You got to see the bow.
	Got to see the bow.
	Do the freaking bow.
	Do the bow.
	Do it.
	Bow, wow.
	Do it.
	Bow.
	Do it.
	Just do it.
	Just do it.
	Don't let your dreams be.
	Be dreams.
	Yesterday you said tomorrow.
	So just do it.
	Make your dreams come true.
	Just do it.
	We love Shia LaBeouf.
	I like his little rat tail.
	Some people dream.
	He brings you out to his podcast.
	Tens of thousands of viewers.
	All this exposure.
	I brought him brownies.
	Make that such a rude comment.
	I feel like a bow is in order.
	I do.
	Do it.
	Finish what you were saying.
	Wait, you made brownies?
	Yeah, I brought you brownies.
	I brought you guys brownies.
	I feel like if she brought brownies, you're going to have to forgive her on that, Brian.
	I feel like brownies kind of make everything okay, don't they?
	Brought you guys brownies and raspberries.
	Some whatever podcast now, man.
	Let me, can I explain this whole thing?
	So edging is when you're masturbating and you almost come, but like you stop.
	You like don't let yourself come and you just like do that like over and over.
	And then when you do it for hours on end, it's like called gooning and basically like it puts your brain in a trance.
	Reddit will know.
	Dope.
	Reddit will know.
	But just look up r slash gooning or r slash.
	I think women are more privileged than men.
	Why?
	I like how that came out of nowhere.
	Why am I being aware of that?
	Wait, why?
	I kind of want some debate time.
	I don't feel like I've been.
	Obviously, I disagree.
	I don't think I have a debate in me anymore.
	You're all debated out.
	Yeah, you know, I just think here.
	See, I'm just getting started now.
	Like, I got like a burst of energy.
	All this talk, feminist arguments about oppression are dead on arrival.
	Men have, in fact, been more oppressed than women.
	All of women's collective grievances fall flat in the face of just one sole male grievance.
	Military conscription.
	Military conscription, you can all whine all you want.
	The suffering that men have exclusively experienced during warfare.
	Orders of magnitude greater than all of women's collective grievances.
	Supposed to be a lot of donated $200.
	My chest checks.
	So I can't answer a question that makes me look stupid.
	Andrew Wilson is a master debater lol.
	Even though I disagree with a lot of his positions, I always enjoy his debate style.
	Oh, thank you.
	Yeah, that was quite the cop-out, huh?
	Doesn't this lead to this?
	My boobs are too big.
	I just, oh, what can he say?
	What can he say?
	So, whatever podcast, it is what it is.
	Do you ever get like breathless from smoking cigarettes and having to work?
	Light one up, Andrew.
	Light it up.
	Well, I mean, I don't know.
	Is that a major having boobs so big, your back hurts so bad you can't make an argument?
	I don't know.
	Light up a cigarette for the boys.
	I'm not going to let someone that looks like Wolverine with like a sleep disorder roast me.
	Please.
	Please listen to me.
	Well, I don't know.
	I don't know.
	Are you ever going to take a picture of yourself with your actual hair?
	You tell me.
	What does that mean?
	That's kind of a good idea.
	Actually, we just watched the video.
	We just saw a video of my natural hair.
	So what do you mean?
	I mean, you started this talking.
	Let's get into it.
	What?
	That's your argument.
	You're natural.
	Wait, wait, suddenly your back is nothing.
	It hurts so bad.
	Oh, Link.
	You look like you got picked on in high school.
	I'm glad that that created your career.
	Wait, nothing, no TOS.
	No TOS, guys.
	No TOS.
	What does that mean?
	Terms of service.
	Nothing crazy.
	All the things which were explained to you at the beginning of the podcast that you might have missed because your back hurts so bad.
	Probably.
	I just don't feel like arguing with an idiot at this point.
	Like, I'm tired.
	Well, if you don't, then you should probably leave the table because that's all it's full of.
	Okay.
	Well, as soon as you stop, we can leave, right?
	Such a wholesome moment.
	We're having such a wholesome moment.
	Guys, we're so brownies.
	I have Fig Newtons and brownies.
	All right.
	And Raspberry Pier.
	I think it's about that time.
	Hold on.
	One last thing.
	But first, guys, like the video, please.
	If you enjoyed the show, like the video.
	Go to twitch.tv/slash whatever.
	Drop us a follow.
	Drop us a Prime sub if you have one.
	If you have Amazon Prime, you can link it to your Twitch.
	It's a quick, free, easy way to support the show every single month.
	Drop us a follow, drop us a Prime sub.
	Subscribe to our Eclipse channel, guys.
	We're almost to 1 million subscribers.
	We're 10k away.
	Guys, just open up in the tab.
	Drop us a sub if you have one.
	Get us there, guys.
	Get us there.
	Can I promo my YouTube so I can stop doing OF?
	Oh, Andrew, what do you think?
	Is that fair?
	Not even here, Brownie.
	He's the patriarch.
	Sorry.
	Damn.
	What if I bow?
	Nope.
	Yes, if you bow, then you can promo the YouTube.
	That sounds fair.
	Okay, do it.
	Let's do it.
	We're going to do it.
	Okay.
	That was pretty good.
	Oh, yeah.
	It's pretty good.
	It was all right.
	All right.
	So the YouTube is called Hard Ones.
	And if you do Linktree/slash Hard Ones, you will find it.
	Sorry, I turned off the audio for that.
	My bad.
	Should I repeat myself?
	No, my chat heard it.
	My chat heard it.
	Hold on.
	Wait, wait, let me get a little one.
	I did a bow.
	I geek a bow wow.
	Also, be sure to go subscribe to Lucy's Feet Finder.
	What are we?
	Profile?
	Lucy's?
	I mean, sorry.
	What?
	Oh, Feet Finder.
	Oh.
	Huh?
	I just made that up.
	My feet are pretty, though.
	I'm random about it.
	I thought about that later.
	We're going to, those of you on Twitch, we will do a double raid here.
	I just have one last thing.
	Any final thoughts from anybody before I wrap this thing up?
	Speak now or forever hold your tongue.
	Can I arm wrestle you?
	Nope.
	He's scared.
	He is scared.
	He's afraid I'll win.
	I'm not going to fucking.
	Wait, do you have tickets?
	To the gun show!
	Thank you.
	You should feel so embarrassed.
	Wait, who?
	Not that, Joey.
	That was such an embarrassing video.
	The tickets to began the show is terrible.
	Who?
	Who asked?
	Oh, my God.
	Give a Redeemer.
	Give a Redeemer.
	Come on.
	Wait, can you arm wrestle me after this?
	Is it done?
	No, I'm not going to arm wrestle.
	I just want to arm wrestle.
	That's the Redeemer.
	You can arm wrestle Gustav.
	I will.
	Okay.
	I'm trying to think.
	There's shit.
	There's some note I'm forgetting here.
	You forgot your second question.
	Hold on.
	I'm just going to say, hold on one sec.
	One sec, guys.
	I got these ready to go.
	Okay.
	So, let me just throw a couple hot things out there really quick at the end here.
	Women have dating on easy mode as compared to men.
	Any woman can be a slut.
	Very few men can be a slut.
	Women don't need game slasher is.
	You just have to show up.
	Only traditional women deserve traditional treatment.
	As most women are not traditional, men should not pay on first dates.
	Men with high body counts are allowed to date and desire women who are virgins or have low body counts.
	Plastic surgery, such as breast implants, fillers, BBL, makes women look worse.
	Men generally find tattoos on women at best neutral or negative.
	Men should not date women who go out to bars, clubs, parties, rapes.
	Makeup is a lie.
	Age gap relationships between consenting adults is 100% okay.
	Feminism is not about equality.
	It's about securing benefits for women.
	Men are and have been more oppressed than women.
	Women have equal rights to men.
	In actuality, you have more rights than privileges.
	Female privileges is great.
	Female privilege is greater than male privilege.
	There's no such thing as male privilege in totality.
	You can be sexist towards men.
	You can be racist towards white people.
	White people have culture.
	On average, men are physically stronger than women.
	Technically, it would not be straight to date a wait.
	Brian, why that was epic.
	You forgot to end it with your big labia matters.
	Oh, hashtag big labia matters.
	I only date women with giant labia.
	Like, even if it goes down to the knees.
	Sign me up.
	I need that.
	I need that Guinness World record pussy.
	Like, bro, I'm trying to find it, dude.
	I think you have a fetish.
	Probably.
	Yeah, probably.
	If you know anybody.
	Just kidding.
	Just kidding.
	I know so many people.
	Cool.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, they can't be.
	They can't.
	Like, they have really big, fat pussies.
	God damn, bro.
	Good talk.
	I am being facetious, but I do think it is.
	I do object to whether you're man or woman.
	You know, we're having fun here, but I do object to whether you're a man or a woman being judged for the way you were born.
	You know, you're genital.
	I don't believe in genitalia shaming.
	Neither do I. Also, circumcision is wrong.
	I agree.
	Cool.
	I love unconscious.
	And you guys, that's the end of the show.
	I've just thrown out like 20 things you guys probably disagree with, but sorry.
	I forget.
	Do you want to argue a bit?
	No, I agreed with someone.
	You agreed with all that shit?
	Cool.
	We've convinced her.
	She's dropping out of college and becoming a nun.
	Becoming a podcast.
	Wait, wait, wait.
	What if we started like a cult and like it's like called the whatever church and there's actual nuns?
	And then you don't have to pay taxes.
	That's a good idea.
	That's a good idea.
	Okay, so I think we've, Nick, is there anything we're missing over there?
	Oh, also, I'm a natural body supremacist.
	I want to ban plastic surgery.
	I just want to put out there that I'm all natural.
	I'm trying to promote my OF.
	Leave me alone.
	I don't even have anything to press for.
	I thought it was supposed to be a YouTuber.
	Yeah, I thought you were supposed to be.
	Bow down low enough for an OF.
	Shout out.
	Come on.
	So, a couple things here, guys.
	I'm going to do some Twitch raids, and then, Andrew, you're going to continue streaming for a little bit.
	Okay, I'm going to do a redirect for Andrew for those of you watching on YouTube.
	Guys, hang tight here for just a sec.
	I got to do a couple things.
	One second.
	I'm going to do a double raid.
	Here's what we're gonna do.
	So the first thing we're gonna do, hmm, hold on.
	Do we do I'm gonna raid?
	Do we do wait, chat?
	I'll leave it up to the chat on YouTube, actually.
	Nick, can you pull up the chat?
	Do we raid Stay Safe TV on Twitch or do we raid Woe Wow Grandma 78?
	Do we do the grandma or stay safe?
	I could do a double.
	I'll do a double, maybe.
	Okay, here's how we're gonna do it.
	Imagine getting donged by a ginger.
	Actually, wait.
	Woe, grandma.
	I see a lot of woe grandmas.
	Grandma's in the chat.
	Grandma's in the chat.
	Nick, you're starting to pull these up, right?
	Oh, fuck.
	I kind of owe Stay Safe, though.
	I'm gonna do, I'm gonna be a little sneaky here.
	I'm gonna do a double raid.
	We're gonna still be live.
	Those of you on Twitch, we're gonna stay live for a little bit.
	I'm gonna raid Stay Safe, and then I'm gonna raid the Woe Grandma.
	First, wow, grandma.
	Stay safe first.
	So we're gonna raid Stay Safe first, and then we'll send the rest of the people over to Wo, Grandma.
	Wow, Grandma, excuse me.
	All right.
	You got pull up his stream?
	You can pull up his stream.
	We're gonna raid in 10 seconds over on Stay Safe's channel.
	No, shot.
	He's playing Season of Discovery.
	He's loving.
	He's gonna raid me at this hour.
	He's night.
	He's doing a 24-hour stream, 24-hour crack stream playing World of War.
	Okay, I'm raiding now.
	Ooh, that's a big crit.
	Hold on.
	I love crits.
	1% crit.
	50 World of War.
	In normal vanilla wow, it's 60 into life, or maybe like 60.
	Oh, there it is.
	60.
	The whatever podcast and my good friend Brian.
	Okay, chat.
	W in the chat.
	W in the chat for the whatever podcast.
	W for whatever and W for win.
	www.
	Brian, hey, thank you, man.
	Thank you, the whatever podcast.
	Thank you very much.
	Brian is a good friend of mine.
	He's an undercover.
	I mean, hey, he's not so undercover these days.
	You guys know he's a wow player.
	No, no, no.
	I don't play any video games.
	He's always hanging out in the chat.
	And I've gone down there to California.
	I've been on the show.
	He's been on the show two times.
	Anyways, those of you who are watching, you can check him out on Twitch.
	Hold up, guys.
	Nick, we're going to do a Woe Grandmother.
	What do you need to happen tonight?
	Can I go take a look at this?
	Wait, actually, wait.
	Oh, hold on.
	I'm going to go.
	Why do you have to go?
	Oh, that's him.
	That's him.
	I was like, what the fuck?
	Oh, wait.
	Wait, he's going to watch now.
	Dude, this is going to be inception.
	Hold on.
	This is inception.
	Wait, wait, wait.
	Hold on.
	This is inception.
	Hi, ladies.
	Hi, there.
	Hey, Brian.
	Say hi.
	Say hi.
	How are you doing?
	Hello.
	I'm Mary.
	Don't fucking talk to me.
	Say hi.
	Say how are you doing?
	I'm Mary.
	Oh, my God.
	Okay, hold on.
	I want to go see the top clips.
	Chat, was there any crazy drama that happened today or what?
	Yeah, at Sugar Daddy.
	Sugar Daddy.
	Okay, I'm going to see what's going on.
	Possibly Nick.
	And then let's do the other lady.
	We're going to raid Woe.
	Wow.
	Grandma.
	I'm getting a massive raid.
	Uh-oh.
	Oh, she's already talking about it.
	Guys, before I send you over, I try to raid smaller streamers, give them some love.
	She's got like, I think, 200 right now.
	We're going to raid.
	Oh, shit.
	Well, I sent most of them over.
	Stay safe.
	Wait a second.
	We'll still send to some people.
	Guys, she's 82.
	She plays World of Warcraft.
	Tell her she should come on the podcast.
	Be nice over there.
	Be nice.
	Like I said last time, if I hear that you guys were being dickheads, I'm a banana.
	Whatever.
	They were here yesterday.
	I'm going to raid her in about 10 seconds.
	Be nice, guys.
	Be very nice to her.
	She's a sweet, sweet, sweet lady.
	Sweet lady.
	She's playing World of Warcraft, so I'm sending you over right now.
	Thank you, those watching on Twitch.
	Oh, I didn't do my outro on Twitch.
	Whatever podcast is coming back today.
	They were here yesterday.
	She forgetting her dates.
	Can you boost the audio now?
	Oh, there it is.
	Hey, whatever podcast.
	Hi there.
	I wish we could talk to her.
	Welcome, Raiders.
	Oh, no.
	I'm going to sent like 250.
	Oh, she just died.
	Dude, we just killed her.
	Dude, she just died.
	Holy shit.
	Back.
	Okay.
	Damn.
	Is she really good at this game?
	I don't know.
	I'm not sure, I guess.
	A little bit.
	Okay, anyways.
	Yo, Ghost.
	I'm on this show, Admiral.
	He wants me on my show.
	Anyways, I'm not flying to Santa Barbara.
	Hi there.
	Okay, we'll set it up.
	We'll set it up.
	You guys will go to her.
	We'll handle the flights, bro.
	We'll handle the flights.
	Okay.
	So, anyways, that was a good show.
	GG, well played to the panel.
	GG, well played.
	Last call, hit the like button, please, on your way out.
	Thank you for tuning in tonight.
	You could have been anywhere in the world, but you're here with me.
	I appreciate that.
	Thank you to everyone who so graciously super chats, donates, and supports the show.
	Your patronage is very much appreciated.
	We will be live again Sunday, 5 p.m. Pacific.
	We have, should I announce it, Andrew?
	Oh, I can't hear you.
	Well, that's an L for me tonight, but yeah, of course he should.
	We will have Andrew in studio next week for Sunday and Tuesday.
	Guys, got some good shows lined up.
	We're going to maybe try to finagle a one-on-one debate if you're down.
	That would be interesting.
	Any girls who want to be on the show, DM out whatever on Instagram if you can make it to Santa Barbara.
	Let me set up the redirect to Andrew, guys.
	I'm going to send, those of you who are still watching on YouTube, I'm going to send you to Andrew's channel.
	Spam 07s in the chat.
	Give me just one sec to get that set up here for Andrew.
	And if you guys, while you're over there, go subscribe to his channel.
	I don't know if you have that.
	Thank you.
	Thank you, ladies, for coming out tonight.
	Understand that it is my job to give ideological pushback.
	I take none of this personally, and I appreciate all of you coming in this fine evening.
	Thank you for having us.
	Thank you.
	A little wholesome moment.
	What are we?
	A little wholesome moment there.
	What are we?
	I'm always widowing.
	What are we so calling?
	Let me.
	Excuse me.
	One sec.
	Let me.
	See if I can.
	The Crucible.
	He's so tired.
	Widowing?
	Wow.
	What away.
	It's Andrew versus Whatever, correct?
	Andrew?
	That is correct.
	Okay.
	I'm going to save that.
	So those of you on YouTube, you'll redirect to his channel.
	Let me see what else.
	Guys, go drop.
	When you head over there, give him a sub, guys.
	Give him a sub.
	There's his channel.
	The fastest growing debate channel on YouTube.
	Bloodsports Debater.
	And I'm trying to think.
	Is there anything else?
	What do we know?
	What do we?
	I feel like I'm forgetting something.
	Are we forgetting something?
	You never introduced your sex doll.
	Oh, too bad.
	Yeah, that's probably what you feel like you're forgetting.
	Too bad.
	He did.
	He said Kiki was back there being quiet.
	Something like that.
	Anyways, guys, 07's in the chat.
	Good night, guys.
	Thank you so much for tuning in.
	We'll see you Sunday.

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