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3 RUDE GIRLS KICKED OUT?! Ragequit Keeko Cat Fight?! ØF Girl VlRGlN?! (CAP???) ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) | Dating Talk #149

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	I'm joined by my co-host, Kiki.
	She's back there somewhere.
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	And, oh, my apologies that we're starting late here.
	We had, not just A, but we had a couple people running a bit late.
	So my apologies, guys.
	All right.
	We're going to have the guests introduce themselves.
	So please tell us your name, age, location, and occupation.
	Go ahead.
	I'm Alex, and I'm 23 years old, and I'm from New York, but I live in California now.
	All right.
	Welcome.
	And my occupation.
	Yeah, go ahead.
	Okay.
	I do OnlyFans and my fiancé.
	Your fiance.
	And I babysit too.
	What's that?
	I babysit too.
	And I do OnlyFans and my favourite.
	Those are not related.
	I do both.
	Okay.
	You do it with your fiancé?
	Yeah, overboard humor.
	Okay, cool.
	What about you?
	My name is Kiko.
	I'm 24.
	I live in Santa Barbara, and I'm a bartender and a full-time student.
	What are you studying?
	Criminology.
	Okay, what about you?
	My name is Aurora.
	I live in LA.
	I'm 18, and I do OnlyFans.
	Welcome.
	Thank you.
	My name's Maya.
	I'm 26.
	I live in Los Angeles, and I do compliance and administrative for cannabis.
	For cannabis?
	Yeah, the cannabis industry.
	Questions?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	That's pretty cool.
	I'm Avery.
	I'm 19.
	I'm from LA and I do OnlyFans and I'm also a student.
	All right.
	What are you studying?
	Communications.
	All right.
	What about you?
	I'm Alex.
	I'm 23.
	I live in LA and right now I'm a massage therapist and I have my own fashion line.
	Okay.
	Hi, I'm Kitty.
	I'm 33 and I do hair and I'm a professional photographer and I live in LA now.
	I'm originally from New Jersey.
	My name is Mason Gregoire.
	I am 27 years old.
	First and foremost, I forgot to do this last time.
	First and foremost, I am a Christ follower.
	Secondly, I'm a competitive powerlifter.
	And actually, my career is somewhat changing.
	I am a traditional mechanical engineer, but I am going into Air Force special warfare.
	So that's currently what I'm up to these days.
	Okay.
	What's up, y'all?
	I'm Taylor.
	It's Taytay Baby.
	I'm from the Big LA.
	You guys already know I'm an immense mental health advocate.
	I'm back.
	What's up, Kiko?
	What do you keep looking at?
	Uh-oh.
	No, it's Darren, dude.
	I've been looking at the energy you had before.
	Remember, keep that energy.
	I watched four podcasts with you talking about me.
	So let's do this.
	Welcome, honey.
	Thank you.
	Welcome.
	I always just don't know.
	Don't act shocked.
	Serious.
	I'm not acting.
	Yeah, you are.
	Okay.
	I was just coming in.
	Good vibes.
	Wow, off to a great start.
	Great start.
	Age?
	29.
	29.
	All right.
	Welcome, everybody.
	So we're going to go around the table once more.
	Wait, I think both you and you forgot something here.
	Both of you forgot.
	Both of you forgot something.
	What?
	No, no, no.
	Mason and you.
	You can go first.
	Okay, yeah.
	Brian wants me to take off my Clark Kent disguise.
	Why you got put on me, man?
	Because you asked.
	Oh, whoa.
	Whoa.
	Oh, my God.
	Don't get too excited.
	Don't get too excited, everybody.
	The Giga Chow has answered the challenge.
	And you wanted to call out Pearl, right?
	Yeah, I got something to say.
	Pearl, cash me outside.
	How about that, bitch?
	Damn.
	Pearl.
	Pearly thing.
	Just pearly thing.
	Why?
	Her name is so funny in that sentence.
	Pearl.
	Pearl.
	Sounds like you're talking to someone's grandma.
	Go back to the SpongeBob.
	You want to box her.
	Is that correct?
	Is there a challenge in here somewhere?
	I challenge Pearl to a boxing match.
	Yeah.
	Okay, cool.
	Anytime, anywhere.
	Great.
	Okay, so we're going to get everybody's current relationship status.
	So are you single, relationship, married, divorced, polycule, sex cult, situationship, talking stage, harem, whatever it may be?
	If you're single, how long have you been single?
	And what's the longest relationship you've ever been in starting with?
	I am engaged to my fiancé.
	I get married to him next month.
	Overboard humor.
	And my longest relationship was six years.
	How long have you been with your current two years?
	Two years?
	All right.
	What about you?
	I am still in the relationship.
	We've been together.
	Wow.
	I'm surprised.
	We've been together since January 2023.
	What can you say?
	How many relationships have you been together?
	So that's one year and a couple months.
	Three, we'll say three months, okay?
	Yeah.
	And my longest relationship was like two and a half years.
	All right.
	What about you?
	I'm currently single.
	My longest relationship was like two years, but it was like on and off in like high school.
	So yeah, I don't really date anymore.
	I kind of just do like online dating.
	I don't like doing like IRL shit.
	Like that's it.
	What do you mean IRL?
	Like if I have like a boyfriend, it'll be like online.
	Like I don't like having like in real life boyfriends.
	Like I don't fuck with you.
	So you've had virtual boyfriends?
	Yeah like Discord boyfriends.
	Do you currently have a Discord boyfriend?
	Yeah.
	You currently have a Discord boyfriend.
	What is that?
	Like a boyfriend on Discord.
	Do you have multiple Discord boyfriends?
	Yeah, sometimes.
	What do you mean sometimes?
	the person who pays you the most money or what no honestly it's the person like no like i should be like liking them sometimes Like, I don't care.
	Well, like, I don't know.
	I feel like Discord guys, like, they're, they have, like, like, they're not known, and I like that, you know?
	Like, they're just random people, like, on the internet.
	I don't like knowing, like, what they look like or, like, who they are.
	You don't even know what they look like?
	Well, I kind of do, but, like, not, like, in real life.
	Are these, like, subscribers to your OF?
	Sometimes, yeah.
	Okay, I wouldn't call that a boyfriend.
	I'd call that pathetic, but I like pathetic.
	Okay.
	So, not pathetic necessarily.
	From a follower, not from a.
	Yeah, I'm guessing probably from a follower, not from a boyfriend.
	No, no, they're.
	I consider them.
	How long have you been single?
	Oh, um, maybe like a year.
	One year.
	You said in your high school relationship it was on again, off again?
	Mm-hmm.
	How many times was that one on again, off again?
	Like, probably ten.
	Ten times?
	Yeah.
	Who was breaking up with who?
	Both of us.
	But I was like chasing him like the whole time.
	Like it was like equal like breaking up.
	This was during high school?
	Mm-hmm.
	And it was like two years.
	Half and half.
	You'd break up with him, he'd break up with you.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	And you've been single, you said for one year.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	I'm not single.
	I'm in a relationship and I've pretty much always had long-term committed relationships for like the past 10, 12 years.
	My last relationship was six years.
	Do they call it, it was that serial monogamy kind of?
	Is that what that's called?
	I mean, I'm only 26 and I've been in pretty much like three long-term relationships.
	So you said you're currently in a relationship.
	How long have you been in that one?
	Couple months.
	Couple months.
	Okay.
	Alright.
	What about you?
	I'm single.
	The longest relationship I've been in was maybe like six months.
	And I've been single for like six months, too.
	Single for six months?
	Do you have any Discord boyfriends?
	I do not.
	Okay.
	Because you guys are friends, right?
	Yeah.
	She's not rubbing off on you with the Discord.
	No, no, no.
	She doesn't even know what I got going on, to be honest.
	I just tell her about it.
	Wait, so how much...
	You currently have one Discord boyfriend?
	Um...
	Yeah.
	How much do you have voice calls with them?
	But you don't know what they look like?
	No, I know what he looks like.
	Oh, you know what he looks like.
	Okay.
	Because you said you like that you don't know what they look like.
	Well like, no, well I do, but like I know what he looks like.
	But I feel like it's really attractive when I like just know like their voice and not what they look like.
	Okay.
	I'm like damn that shit turns me off just knowing their voice.
	How much time do you spend like texting or calling with the Discord boyfriend?
	Oh like we're probably on like a Discord call like right now like at home like on my PC like I think we're still on a call right now.
	So like basically like every day like all day.
	What?
	How are you on the call with him right now when you're on the podcast?
	Well like he's just sitting like he's in the Discord channel?
	Yeah it's just kind of like a call like all day.
	I'll be like oh I'm home babe like I've never heard of that.
	Well like no I'm dead eyes like it's funny but like I'm serious.
	Yeah there's like a Discord talk channel where you can just sit in there the whole time.
	Kind of yeah.
	Yeah.
	You can be like private channel.
	Yeah, okay.
	Right, but I assume like you go out and do things.
	Yeah, yeah, and then we come home, we're like, hey, baby.
	What the fuck?
	Okay.
	What about you?
	I'm single.
	I've been single since November.
	Six months.
	Yeah.
	And my longest relationship was almost three years.
	Three years.
	Okay.
	Got it.
	What about you?
	I'm single.
	I guess since November, but a little update.
	I guess I was just around that same ex recently for three weeks.
	And yeah, we're not fucking with each other again.
	So technically two weeks.
	Wait.
	Single.
	They broke up in November.
	They recently started talking for three weeks.
	And then now they're not talking about it.
	Fell out again.
	Okay.
	Longest relationship?
	Three and a half years.
	3.5 years.
	All right.
	I'm currently single.
	I mean, going into the Air Force, it's not super conducive to having a relationship.
	Longest relationship is about a year.
	No, it was a year exactly.
	Yeah.
	And what's your status?
	Like my current status?
	Like your.
	Oh, my status.
	Your status.
	Okay.
	Yeah, yeah.
	I'm a virgin.
	I'm waiting for marriage.
	There you go.
	Waiting to find the right woman.
	You know, I had a girl DM me yesterday, Christian, virgin.
	She's like, can you introduce me to Mason?
	Yeah, yeah.
	Were you interested or not?
	He's all nervous.
	No, I mean, like, like I said, I'm going into the Air Force, especially the special warfare route.
	There's like the pipeline is about two years long.
	So unless someone is going to wait two years just pining for me.
	Yeah, but you're going in as enlisted, right?
	So don't you get, like, if you're married, don't you get some extra benefits in the military?
	Yeah, you do, but like, I'm not looking to benefit.
	Oh, that's fair.
	And like, and like, a wife.
	I'm not looking for the status of being married.
	Like, I'm trying to find my partner, and that partnership would be greatly hindered for like two years.
	And I'm just not really looking for that right now.
	Okay.
	Taylor, what about you?
	Longest relationship, six years.
	I've been single for two.
	I'm not currently dating.
	All right.
	Great.
	Well, are you guys going to box?
	Is that what's...
	No.
	What happened?
	I thought you said you wanted to.
	You're the one who's going to get it.
	For 10K.
	Yeah.
	I'll get it.
	I'll do it for free.
	You can stand up if you want to.
	Damn, right.
	No, we should not clear this table.
	Why did you say that?
	You should stop talking and running your mouth on.
	I said for 10K, I will fight you.
	That's true.
	You should not talk like that.
	If you're not a person who gets down, just shit, let it go.
	Four times on a podcast, you ran your mouth.
	I'm cool with everybody, but once you start saying stuff like that, I'm with the shits and you're not.
	So kaya then, like I told you last time.
	And then you're all quiet now.
	You had a big mouth last time.
	That's the thing I'm getting bothered by.
	You're acting so old.
	What happened?
	What happened?
	Was that like two years ago?
	Dude, you just was on a podcast.
	Why are you acting like that?
	I haven't seen you.
	I made it.
	The last time I saw you, I was single.
	The gaslighting is crazy.
	Literally, I don't really care that much about that.
	Then you should shut the fuck up.
	Damn.
	That's so.
	Stop talking.
	That's it.
	You don't want to scrap, so that's stop talking, please.
	Seriously.
	For 10K, I would gladly get it.
	You're not going to do anything for 10K.
	Oh, I get your ass whooped for 10K.
	That's fine.
	That's 10K.
	I still have at the end of the day.
	Those wounds will heal.
	I will have 10K.
	What do you mean?
	Grid one Motorsports donated $200.
	We don't have 304 groupers yet, but they seem to be striving for a lot of people.
	Mason Old Bean, are you doing PJ school?
	Too bad Flannel Daddy has retired and you won't have him for SEA.
	Good luck.
	Yeah, I know, really.
	It's sad.
	Actually, I'm not going to PJ.
	I want to go SR, special reconnaissance.
	PJ school sounds awesome, not gonna lie.
	Any of the Air Force Special Warfare routes sounds cool, but SR kind of has my name on it.
	Thank you, Grid One.
	Can you guys?
	Let's not.
	I don't want violence, like, no fighting on the whatever pod.
	If you guys, I appreciate it.
	If you guys want to, like, argue, that's fine, but let's avoid any actual violent confrontation.
	I'm not a person.
	Hey, if we can agree, no, no.
	If you guys are not afraid of that, I respect you.
	I'm not going to do nothing.
	I'm the big chillo, Brad.
	You're here.
	Thank you, Taylor.
	Let's avoid any violence, belligerence.
	If you guys want to debate stuff, we can do that.
	That's what I came to.
	I think we should do it.
	Yeah, that's why I'm here.
	Debate's okay.
	All right.
	Good talk.
	Is the audio muted, Nick?
	Or no?
	Oh, that's weird.
	This is a sad hat.
	It's not a TTS.
	It's under.
	Yeah, well, I said for the first 30 minutes, I don't know why.
	Hold on, guys.
	I said for the first 30 minutes, I'll re-trigger this.
	Sorry, guys, one sec.
	Mason, I know you have a question for the panel.
	Go ahead.
	Wait, what?
	Do it while I'm fixing this.
	Go ahead.
	Oh, okay.
	Oh, shoot.
	Well, sorry, guys.
	I got it.
	Would you guys.
	Okay, I guess we're just going to get straight into it.
	It's the only thing I can think of right now.
	Would you guys classify yourself as a feminist?
	No.
	Going around the table.
	You're not.
	No.
	Maybe, like, if it was feminism in the 80s or like first wave.
	Yeah, but not anymore.
	Okay.
	No, I'm not.
	No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, I always find this kind of interesting.
	Have you guys at any point like put on the taken that movement on and say, yes, I'm a feminist?
	Like, any point in your life, has that been like a big thing for you?
	Kind of.
	Yeah?
	Yeah.
	I don't think so.
	I guess, yeah, so we got your answers.
	No, I think that.
	No, no.
	No, no, never.
	You've never been like, I'm a feminist?
	No, definitely not.
	Small Deke Energy donations.
	First time donating.
	I love the show.
	Keep saving confused young ladies.
	Question: Currently working as a baker, five feet seven inches, fit Latino, brown knives, good kisser, you come first policy, single.
	Any taker?
	Any takers at the table?
	Not too short.
	Too short.
	Too short?
	Too short, yeah.
	Is anybody else?
	Is he too short?
	5'7?
	Too short for you guys?
	For you?
	For you?
	No.
	If you're single, I know some of you guys are in relationships.
	Just if you're in it, assume you're single, if you were single.
	How tall are you guys?
	5'7.
	I'm 5'3.
	You're 5'3?
	5'7, too short.
	Well, I'd rather not know the height unless you're tall.
	What?
	What is that?
	I get what you mean.
	I kind of get what you mean.
	It's like if you're shorter, like whatever, but then once you actually put a number to it, it's kind of like...
	It makes it real.
	Yeah, I guess.
	Is that what you're trying to say?
	It makes it real.
	Are you talking about it that way?
	You're talking about your Discord boyfriends again.
	Look at my Discord.
	I don't know what height he is.
	Kiko has to begin.
	Brian donated $100.
	Why?
	A sprinkler goes like this.
	You have a bigger PPE than me.
	Right, what the hell?
	It comes back like this.
	He definitely changed his username.
	Okay.
	Yeah, and then so we'll do the 100 and up for the first 30 minutes and then we'll switch guys.
	So we have Pierre Luc Doré, I think for the Canadian 100, 100 Mercy Bakoup.
	Whoa, that's a great start.
	Hello from Quebec.
	Is that the French-speaking part?
	Bonjour.
	I thought it was cute.
	Indeed.
	Bonjour.
	Pierre Luc.
	That's, of course, that's a French guy.
	Pierre Luc.
	That's definitely French.
	Thank you, man.
	Appreciate it.
	Thank you, dude.
	Wait, so we were going around.
	Everyone said no to being a feminist.
	Everyone said no to being a feminist.
	But I was asking, have you always held that position?
	I am not a feminist.
	I don't associate with that movement.
	You were.
	I used to consider myself a feminist.
	Yeah, exactly.
	So we were here, and that was grilling you a little bit.
	No, I'm not a feminist.
	Never have claimed I'm a feminist.
	I'm not against feminism either.
	Like, I just don't really care.
	You shouldn't be against it.
	Yes.
	Really?
	Oh, okay.
	Then I am.
	Indeed.
	Good, good.
	We have changed minds here today, folks.
	Making progress.
	That's not good if she could change her mind that fast.
	I don't really care.
	Like, I was like, that's just an opinion.
	All labia matter donated $100.
	Brian, you a weirdo for liking roast beef.
	Chat, do you prefer innis or outies?
	Strumpets of the panel, do you have an inno or an outi?
	Big labia matter?
	Yeah, I'm a fan.
	What can I say?
	Why are you looking at me, Kiki?
	What the fuck?
	We're taught to look at it.
	Okay, we're going around the table.
	Yeah, that's true.
	That's true.
	If you guys want to answer, he's asking if you guys have an innovative.
	A belly button?
	Nope.
	The labia.
	Oh, I'm not answering.
	Like your pastrami beef's on the outside?
	Hell no.
	I'm an annie.
	Oh.
	I'm going to keep my anatomy to me and my boyfriend.
	Yeah, I'm going to keep mine to myself.
	You guys do OFs?
	I mean, you know what?
	Subscribe and find out.
	Subscribe to find out.
	I'm not answering that question.
	Anyway, I'm not going to answer that question.
	I played the fifth.
	All right.
	There you have it.
	Mason.
	I don't know what you're saying.
	Pat, Vinie.
	Okay, I think we're caught up on that.
	So, wait, hold on.
	Okay, wait.
	Engaged relationship, single, single.
	I don't know this Discord boyfriend thing.
	We're going to be stuck on that.
	So, those of you who are single, you said you're single.
	There's no guys in the picture right now in person.
	No.
	No dudes.
	Nope.
	You live in LA, right?
	You're an attractive girl.
	Why is that?
	I feel like I'm kind of antisocial, like not really like, but I don't, I feel like I isolate myself a lot and I kind of just like, I feel like dating online and like playing video games and talking to like guys online is way more thrilling than like going to a club and like finding a boyfriend or like chasing a fucking boyfriend from the club, you know?
	Well, I agree with you that clubs are definitely good environments.
	Did you used to do that?
	Well, kind of, I guess.
	Like partying.
	Yeah.
	When did you start your OF?
	I'm just wondering.
	Half a year ago?
	Half a year ago?
	Yeah.
	I'm pretty new to it.
	Yeah.
	Actually 18, right?
	No, she's 18.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, okay.
	Fair enough.
	Would you say that you probably kind of adopt this policy like post starting an OF?
	No.
	No.
	I've always been like, well, not always.
	I feel like after my ex, I feel like that's when it kind of started.
	Well, like, I've always been like kind of like a weirdo like Discord like gamer.
	Like I've always been like into that kind of shit.
	But like after my ex, I'm just like, yeah, I don't like, I don't fuck with guys.
	Like, I just, I'm over it.
	Don't play Fortnite?
	Yeah.
	When did you break up with your ex?
	Like if you're not good at Fortnite, like I honestly don't like you.
	Like that's kind of cringe.
	Is your ex like a Twitch streamer?
	No.
	He's just a regular gym.
	I'm an idiot.
	No.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	But yeah.
	If you're not good at Fortnite, like you're nerved to burn.
	You're not on any dating apps?
	No.
	Do you go out?
	And you don't party at all?
	Well, I party, like, sometimes.
	How frequently?
	I have to be, like, heavily, like, influenced to go with my friends out.
	Like, I have, like, a lot of friends that party, but I just don't really like it.
	Are you a homebody?
	Mm-hmm.
	Okay.
	You don't, like, the first impression, I don't, that's not what I get, but.
	I know.
	A lot of people say that, like, nobody expects me.
	I'm like, you're like a sorority girl.
	So innocent little chipier.
	I don't know about that.
	No, nobody expects me.
	Like, I'm Loki a fucking like weirdo, like, Discord, like, mod type of girl.
	Nobody would never expect that.
	Like, nobody, like, even, like, she doesn't, like, she's like, bro, I would never expect that from you.
	And she's, like, my close friend.
	Okay.
	Do you tend to like go out, party, go to clubs?
	Yeah, absolutely.
	Yeah.
	Yes.
	But you guys are friend, like, close friends?
	Yeah, we're close.
	So you try to drag her out, but she doesn't go.
	I tried to drag her out last weekend, and she said she was going to come.
	And in the last second, she was like, you know what?
	I'm going to stay in.
	I think that's pretty cool, though.
	No, I literally played Fortnite the whole night.
	Like, it's bad.
	Sorry, Kill of Cereal.
	I'm not sure why this didn't trigger.
	Pick 6-1, 6-foot-tall, 6- Oh my God.
	Let me pull it back up.
	Sorry, guys, it disappeared.
	6-foot-1, tall, fit, 180k year, 8-inch peen, but has a horrible world outlook and negative attitude.
	Or 5-foot-too-tall, chubby, 30k-year, 4-inch peen, and has positive world outlook and loses confidence and swagger.
	He really likes asking this question.
	Every show.
	Thank you, Kill of Cereal.
	Appreciate it.
	Starting with you.
	If you had to pick between the two.
	Between, what was it again?
	You mean the one I just read out and was on the screen?
	Sorry.
	Okay, basically, like tall, attractive, rich guy, big peen, but like bad attitude, bad personality.
	Or 5'2, chubby, 30k year, 4-inch peen, but positive world outlook, and oozes confidence and swagger.
	I'm not gonna answer that.
	It's a hypothetical.
	So like if you were dumb year ago, I'm single though, so I'm not gonna answer it.
	But this isn't even a real person.
	Yeah, I know.
	I just don't want to answer it.
	I feel like I mean, I want to actually come online.
	Hold on.
	Let me open this up to the whole panel here.
	Does engaging with a hypothetical mean you're like cheating on your boyfriend?
	I don't know.
	I think it depends on the hypothetical, but usually.
	I feel like it's disrespectful.
	To your boyfriend?
	Yeah, I think it is.
	Do you have guy friends that you talk to?
	No.
	No?
	Okay.
	At least you're consistent.
	I think that I should only talk to him.
	Like, he's allowed to talk to girls.
	Like, I let him do that sometimes, but I don't think I should talk to guys.
	That makes sense to me.
	Not really.
	I mean, in terms of answering the hypothetical, I don't understand that.
	Well, I just think it's disrespectful to answer that.
	To him.
	Well, okay.
	I don't.
	Well, okay.
	Why would you think it's disrespectful?
	I don't even know.
	Because I don't really have an answer.
	I just think it's not.
	Well, would you be able to engage with this hypothetical?
	All right.
	What's the other one?
	Assuming you were not in a relationship, would you prefer dating a tall guy or a short guy?
	A tall guy.
	Well, how is that any different than the question I've just posed to you?
	So if you had to pick between a guy who made $180,000 and $30,000, what would you pick?
	Well, any girl would say that.
	Okay.
	So if you had to pick between a guy who, what were all the other ones?
	We can ask one by one and we'll make this easier.
	Well, one's tall and fit and rich, and the other one's short and fat and broke.
	Between a fit guy or a chubby guy, which would you pick?
	With a good attitude.
	With a good eye.
	So we're almost there.
	We're almost there.
	So good attitude or bad attitude?
	Good attitude.
	Okay.
	So put those all together and pick one.
	It's an obvious answer, though.
	I feel like wait, so just pick one.
	We've already gone through this exercise.
	Okay, with the bad ass.
	I feel like everyone's going to answer that.
	I figured I just wanted to nail down the pick.
	I don't know.
	It's not that easy to me.
	No.
	Like, if it was for the short guy and it was everything but the oozing confidence, because it's like, all right, man, like, I want my man with some confidence, but let's understand where you're lacking in some situations.
	I feel like that would be very annoying.
	I guess like he's just comfortable in his own skin.
	He's confident with that.
	He's got a healthy personality, healthy outlook on life.
	Yeah.
	Just give him the benefit of the doubt, I guess.
	I'll probably actually choose that one.
	Yeah.
	I can't do the whole negative shit.
	I think I would rather be single for the rest of my life, but I'd probably choose a douchebag.
	Like, I mean, it really depends on how short and ugly he is.
	Because Loki liked mid-ugly guys.
	So, like, it depends like how fat, short, and ugly he is, you know?
	But I do think energy is like way more, like, it matters more than like the looks.
	But you'll go with number one.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	I'd also probably rather stay single, but if the short dude's like a professional fighter or something, I'd go for him.
	Well, he's not fit.
	Oh, no.
	Yeah, he's no, not fit.
	Not fit.
	He's chubby.
	He could still throw hands even if he's not fitting.
	She did throw hands.
	That's just like.
	I'm pixie 5'3, chubby.
	I almost said bodybuilder.
	What are those?
	What are they called?
	Like Olympian lifters.
	Olympic weightlifters?
	Yeah.
	Probably a powerlifter.
	Yeah, that's what I'm going to put in my mind.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Wait, are you currently dating a guy who's a fighter?
	No.
	But he's tall.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	I'm picking the tall guy.
	I actually kind of like assholes, so.
	You like assholes, okay?
	It didn't say that they were an asshole, though.
	Like, that's, it said a terrible outlook on life and lacks a lot of people.
	It's like bad attitude.
	Like a bad attitude.
	Yeah, that's that.
	I don't think those guys necessarily coincide.
	He could just be depressed.
	Like, that's what I'm saying.
	Like, you just didn't like his personality at all.
	Like, whether he was an asshole or not, you just didn't fuck with his personality.
	He just kind of drags you down.
	Like, oh my gosh, why are we doing this?
	He said terrible outlook on life.
	That doesn't really mean a douchebag.
	If anything, douchebags are like some choices.
	Okay.
	I feel like I would pick neither, but if I absolutely had a gun to my head, had to choose one, the short one with the better attitude.
	So I would pick the short one, you know, dad bod.
	And as far as the income goes, you know, that could possibly change.
	I'd rather go with the positive person.
	You could build something together.
	Agreed.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, I'm going with the second.
	All right.
	Thank you, Kellev Cereal.
	Much appreciated.
	Where were we before that chat came in?
	No clue.
	Discord boyfriends and feminism.
	Discord boyfriends, feminism.
	There's something else.
	Well, you said that you like assholes.
	So can you explain that a little further?
	What does that mean?
	It's like attractive.
	Like when guys are like douchebags and like, I don't know, it kind of like makes me like want them more.
	Well, biologically, girls are supposed to like assholes.
	That's like our biological makeup.
	Wait, why?
	Because it's like assholes are like assholes.
	No.
	Well, why do they actually need an asshole?
	It's like what are you from not having a good job?
	Like a visual.
	Well, I have a good problem.
	It's a good drama.
	I think it comes from having an immature.
	Like an immature female will have that outlook.
	No, I don't think so, because I had a good five.
	Because a mature female will be able to tell the difference between a guy who's just a jerk and someone who's actually confident, actually carries himself like a man.
	Like immature women will see the guy who's a jerk, treats people terribly, but is strong and like has that false confidence, and they'll be like, that's what I'm looking for, because like I want him strong male.
	But a real female, a strong female who's mature, will understand the difference between the two.
	So are you saying, what are you saying about her then, Mason?
	I mean, I would say you're probably an immature female.
	She's 18.
	Exactly.
	So, I mean, I can exactly.
	That makes sense.
	19.
	Yeah.
	Do you want to respond to his accusations that you're immature?
	I mean, yeah, I disagree.
	Like, I think everyone likes what they like.
	And if I like someone that's like that and like that turns me on, then that might just be my preference.
	Like, you know, I'm not getting on you for like your.
	It turns you on.
	So what would be like, let's actually, let's try to articulate kind of what this actually looks like.
	So you say certain behaviors turn you on.
	What specifically?
	I don't, like, if I have a nice guy right in front of me that wants like, oh my god, like, I kind of like chasing someone.
	And when someone acts like they don't want me and they're kind of like, like, they give off that energy, it kind of, like, ooh, like, bad boy.
	Like a chase.
	Yeah.
	Like, I like that.
	That's like, I don't want them to be like assholes, though.
	They don't have to be an asshole to make you go on a chase.
	That's why I think maybe we're getting confused of what you describe an asshole to be.
	Isn't what we're envisioning an asshole to be, because you can like someone who like yeah like, puts in.
	You have to put effort towards it.
	I also, I take the position that I don't chase after women.
	Yeah, like I, I I let them chase after me.
	I feel like I like the thought of like, changing guys like, if you're like a, like a player, like an asshole, like I feel like i'm obsessed with the fact that, like you will change for me and like I will make you 16 year olds immature immature in my life they were no, but the change like, no.
	The thing is like I have changed guys for me and on discord, when I ended up like not even really liking them after they changed for me.
	So I don't think, hold on, stop repeat that one more time.
	I said I end up not even liking them after they change.
	No there, it is the reason why that's bad.
	Well no I, I understand that it's bad.
	I understand that it's bad.
	Do you know why you were turned off after you?
	I think that might be my phone.
	I'm sorry.
	She just lets you say all that either.
	This cannot we gotta hold on super chick or not super chick?
	Uh no no yeah yeah, we were.
	Oh that we're past the 30 guys we're, we're.
	We already passed the 30 minutes, so we're 200 and up for tts, 100 and up to read.
	We'll get to it later.
	Do you understand like, why you lost attraction for them?
	Yes, I do.
	Yeah, it's because you don't want a man who will bow to the pressures of the world.
	No, I.
	So if, if you you, you lost attraction for him.
	Like I know what i'm doing.
	When a man puts up boundaries with them, I just what makes a strong man is he has boundaries, he has conviction, he is strong, he will not bend to the pressures of the world.
	That makes a man attractive.
	So if you yourself, if yourself, can break those boundaries, if you can push that man to compromise, that is extremely unattractive and that's And that's why immature women will find themselves in this scenario where they're like, I want to change a man, I can change him, like, all that's good.
	And then when he does, when he breaks his own boundaries, when he compromises, when he proves to you that he's not a strong man, you lose attraction.
	It makes sense.
	Well, like, I said sometimes though, because are you single?
	No, the guy that I'm talking to right now, he was like a little fucking trich online, and I changed him.
	He was like a trich, and now he's like, What is a treacher?
	Ask him away.
	Like a, like, like a man whore.
	Like a man whore.
	Yeah.
	I've never heard this.
	Well, I mean, it's not a man whore.
	Like, it can be like just a whore in general.
	Yeah.
	It's usually described for a woman.
	I just call it that.
	Like, I don't know why.
	I guess I just call him up.
	Do you have any intention to actually meet this guy in real life and date him?
	Yes, I actually really like him.
	And like, I feel like he used to talk to like hella girls online too.
	And like, I was like, nah, like, let me change him because like I feel like I can't, like, as a game at first, and like now that he actually changed, like, I'm like, we actually like him.
	Like, but I'm saying a lot of this.
	Because it's like a drug.
	All of a sudden, you think, okay, this guy's going to put up with my feelings.
	Like, he cares about me.
	He's listening to me.
	He's changing for me.
	But eventually, you're going to get to that point where the drug no longer has any effect.
	And then you're going to be like, I don't want you in my life anymore.
	We're done.
	Wait, why?
	Because the same thing's going to happen.
	Like, why do you think that?
	Because that's what's happened in your life from your own account.
	Well, you don't know you lose interest.
	Because I actually do like him.
	You've totally sometimes girls don't end up actually liking them after they've played that game with them, you know?
	Well, I'm just telling you, this is the same thing.
	And like, it's happened to me before, but it's also times where I actually do like them after I've changed them, you know?
	How long have you been talking to this guy?
	Like three months.
	There you go.
	I have a counter argument to that.
	And I do agree, but I would like your perspective on: so, what about a woman that is with her man from the bottom up and watches him change into a better man financially, X, Y, and Z?
	And maybe she has some sort of influence on that.
	Oh, I'm not saying like a woman can't help a man become a better man.
	I'm not saying that.
	I'm saying she's probably attracted to him because he has those qualities: being strong, having boundaries, having aspirations.
	That's probably what attracted her to him at the beginning.
	So she's not trying to change those things.
	Like, she's not pushing boundaries.
	She's not like crushing his aspirations, making him change in those ways.
	It's usually like, hey, how can I best support you in your mission?
	How can I help push you to be a better man?
	And as a man, that is the most attractive thing in the world.
	So you would say maybe their perspective is, like you were saying, maybe just a little bit immature.
	So maybe, maybe, I guess I'm thinking about this now.
	So maybe an immature woman will see if I can push his boundaries and make him change and like adopt these certain things.
	Like that maybe I can push him to be a better man.
	That's just an immature like view on the subject.
	Maybe I could see it that way.
	Maybe right idea, but wrong attributes.
	Exactly, yeah.
	There's a difference between like changing someone and coming to a compromise.
	So like say in the beginning you start dating, he's a type to like never text you and you hate when he doesn't text you when he's out with his friends.
	So he starts updating you when you're out.
	That's not changing him.
	You guys are coming to a compromise.
	So it's like you're actively getting with someone because you're like, I know I can morph them into the human being I want to morph them into instead of them already being that human being.
	I actually have two quotes related to this whole changing thing.
	Yeah, go for it.
	So men marry women with the hope they will never change.
	Women marry men with the hope they will change.
	Invariably, they are both disappointed.
	I believe that.
	That's a sad though.
	There's a little truth behind that one.
	Not everyone, obviously, but got a little character.
	Also, another one: when the woman leaves her husband, it's because he refuses to change who he is.
	When the man leaves his wife, it's because she's not the woman that he married.
	That makes sense.
	That's the sad truth.
	Some thoughts there for the conversation.
	Also, I 100% agree with you, Mason, when it comes to not wanting a woman who's a challenge.
	I know you mentioned that because if you play hard to get, you quickly become hard to want.
	What?
	What?
	Looking at you, Kika.
	What?
	Wait, what's confusing about that?
	If you become hard to get.
	No, if you play hard to get, you quickly become hard to want.
	So, from the guy's perspective, maybe y'all like the chase and shit, but from my perspective, I don't want a challenge.
	I don't want that.
	But I'm also saying from your perspective, so what's the challenge to you?
	Are you saying because she waits to sleep with you?
	Are you saying she waits to sleep in a relationship with you?
	And if she's up with you right away, then that would be bad.
	If you don't want a relationship with her, it's hard to fuck her.
	Like, what do you mean?
	Like, I don't get the with woman.
	You guys are not familiar with the term playing hard to get.
	Yeah, I know, like, like not being super responsive with tests.
	I have to put out so much effort to get your attention.
	I usually work messages, but you're lagging.
	You see, he wants you, but you're playing around.
	I feel like maybe I'm thinking it's hard for us to grasp because I don't think women typically do that.
	It's like if they're interested or they're not.
	Yeah.
	So both of them.
	So he's saying, I know, but I'm saying like if she's playing hard to get, she's probably not playing hard to get.
	She probably just doesn't want you fast.
	So, well, I don't know.
	I just, I gave you a succinct summary of what I was trying to explain, and you two agreed with me.
	Like, I've done that and it works.
	Done what?
	So, so, like, playing hard to get.
	So, like, not giving them attention, like making them fight for your attention extremely hard.
	And you were like, Yeah, I do that all the time and it works for me.
	It does.
	It does for women, but I feel like unfortunately.
	It gets you a certain caliber of guy.
	I feel like I don't know why, but like it's like there's a big difference for like guys and girls that do that.
	Like, I feel like guys are really delusional sometimes.
	And I'm just like, How are guys?
	Because as a woman, I would never like DM a guy, like, like begging to get my attention.
	And I have so many guys in my DMs, and like, I bet all of your guys is DMs, too.
	Wait, so just by virtue of sending a girl a DM that's begging?
	I think it's the new.
	No, no, no, no.
	I have guys, like, like for months on end, like, every single day, like, DMing me, asking, like, trying to get my attention.
	Okay, that's weird.
	Are you okay?
	Like, and there's like, it's not just one guy, it's like multiple guys.
	And it's like, I would never do that.
	Would you?
	Would you?
	Would you guys have that?
	You don't have to.
	Well, one, you don't have to.
	But I would certainly agree that men, you can send one DM.
	No, yeah, I mean, no, that's fine.
	Like, maybe I'll DM like my celebrity crush, like, trying to get his attention.
	But, like, there's guys that are like constantly, like, every day like.
	Yeah, that's weird.
	They shouldn't do that.
	guys are called simps but i feel like guys have like it's worse than that I think it's even, there's even sometimes like attractive guys who are like, are what you would think is simps or whatever.
	And it's like, maybe you like hang out with them once, but then they'll like keep texting you, keep texting.
	It's like, it's not just the weirdos who tend to be aware of.
	No, yeah, but it's a mentality.
	Yeah, that's actually a really great point because you asked all the girls, like you turned, you asked the girls at your side.
	You're saying, well, we would never even think of DMing, double DMing a guy.
	You might even think just sending one DM to a guy is too much as a woman.
	And that actually speaks to the fact that, quite frankly, you guys have dating on easy mode compared to men.
	It doesn't even occur to you to have to take like a bare minimum level of initiative.
	You just get handed a bunch of resumes, so to speak, on a silver platter.
	I initiated my relationship though.
	I did too.
	I did too.
	Is he a strong man?
	Definitely.
	I will say since when women do initiate, they like, but they're snipering in on like one guy that they really like.
	Whereas like dudes, it's like a shotgun approach where they're just some guys as every chance.
	I played the long game before the scenery out.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, women are snipers and dudes just mowing assholes.
	He put the first move by asking for my number first, and then we didn't have any contact for months, and then I initiated after that.
	That's extremely smart.
	As a guy, like maybe I'll ask for the number, maybe I'll give them the number, but I'm not like hounding on him like, hey, can you please give me some attention, please?
	I beg of you, sir.
	That's exactly how he's like, I'm not going to use that.
	He's probably a strong man who knows what he wants and he knows what he deserves.
	Yeah.
	Makes sense.
	Good shit.
	Good shit.
	So you like assholes.
	Anybody, who else here likes assholes?
	I do.
	You do?
	Is your fiancé?
	I like the asshole as an ass.
	You would say he's an asshole, okay?
	Kiara.
	I don't know.
	I'm saying that's, I'm just, I don't like Kiko anymore.
	I'm calling you Kiara.
	Deal with it.
	I like making assholes not assholes.
	And then you break up with them.
	For me always.
	And then you're going to have to.
	You don't break up with him.
	But I'm saying like you lose attraction for them.
	No, no, no, no.
	My e-boyfriend used to be an asshole.
	Grid one motorsport donated $200.
	Men that change for a woman will resent it and will leave them.
	A man must be true to himself, discard all women not willing to accept him as he is, as a true man is always going to better himself.
	Well put Grid One Motorsports, the fucking legend.
	Grid One Motorsports.
	Coming in with some facts.
	Thank you, man.
	Appreciate it.
	Well, I'm kind of going back to you.
	One of my initial questions was, what are some of the ways that, like, actually, if you can articulate it, like that a guy can act in that way that makes you really attracted to him?
	What are some asshole-ish behaviors?
	I don't really know.
	Just like not, I don't know, like just not wanting me, like not being rude to other people, but kind of like just, I don't know, having like a big ego and like.
	Big ego, okay.
	So you don't like assholes, you like men with confidence.
	Yeah, that's what it is.
	That's what it's like.
	That's kind of like a little bit about it, though.
	I like the aspect that Aurora was talking about too, like changing them.
	Like I said, conceited.
	Like the chase.
	Conceited men.
	Do you want to chase them?
	Do you want to give an asshole?
	Like, think of someone who's an asshole to like people.
	The fact that they don't want to be.
	Why do you not want me?
	Like, I want to make you want me.
	Yeah, that's dysfunctional.
	Yes.
	That's dysfunctional.
	That's going to end terribly.
	I think what part of that is too, it's kind of like, well, have you guys ever succeeded?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	But so I almost wonder what.
	So you're saying they had no physical attraction to you and then you.
	But they were kind of.
	I feel like they were, like, as a man, like, it's kind of weird for a man to be playing hard to get.
	So it's kind of like, damn, like, why is he playing hard to get for me?
	So I kind of want to make, like, I want to change him.
	What does it look like when a man's played hard to get?
	Like, they're not in my DMs, like, constantly DMing me every single day.
	Like, that's how most men are for me.
	So hard to get, that's normal.
	Yeah, I want to see a normal man.
	Like, we have a lot of, I think we're like miscommunicating a lot of times.
	Kiara makes a very good point.
	No, she does.
	Because if a guy like really acted like he didn't want me, like, well, no, that's not, that's not even what I'm getting to.
	I think what she's saying is that there's this sort of like comparative, there's this comparison going on here because you're on social media, you have a following on social media, you have OnlyFans.
	So the attention that you are getting from a decent subset of men is like this exaggerated, like simpish thing.
	And then like by comparison, the actual normal treatment, as Kiara is saying, from normal men of like not engaging you on that, you're like, why aren't you simping for me?
	Yeah.
	Is that kind of what you're saying?
	Hard to get would be like if they're not responding to you.
	If you're like trying to set up something and they're not like going through, like, that's hard to get.
	But yeah, you're just describing like men with any self-confidence, how they go about dating.
	I feel like, no, I think that like that's what I'm going for is like your opinion.
	Just a normal guy, not even a disclaimer.
	Like, even before I hit OnlyFans, though, like, guys were in my DMs like that, too.
	Yeah, it's not just OnlyFans thing, for sure.
	No, yeah.
	Oh, yeah.
	I mean, what I'm like, like, social media is like the people who reach out on social media are overwhelmingly simpy.
	So, like, the people you're getting are like the lowest echelon of men.
	Hey, and I love those guys.
	Like, I love those guys in my DMs.
	I mean, you got to say that because that's how you make your money.
	Well, no, I don't.
	I do.
	Okay.
	Like, I love reading them.
	Like, I love the attention.
	But at the same time, I know you love the attention.
	You just don't love those type of guys.
	Yeah.
	You might be right.
	Guys are supposed to be the initiating anyway.
	Yeah.
	I agree.
	It's better if a woman initiates, to be honest.
	No, it's better, but it's like that's not.
	Then you know she really likes you.
	No, that's not.
	I feel like that's not it.
	I mean, it is it's time that it's like also at the same time.
	If I really want a guy, I'm still.
	Sometimes I still want to be a Taylor.
	It's like, I'm a woman.
	Like, I'm not going to do that.
	I'm a man.
	I'm not afraid of you.
	If I really fucking want him, I'm like, no.
	I can use the same argument.
	Like, yeah.
	Sometimes I will initiate, but like, if a woman initiates with me, that's a pretty big turn on.
	yeah as a good man that's like yeah yeah you'll still initiate Yeah, exactly.
	If she's coming at you, it's like a much better dynamic.
	100%.
	Yeah.
	I agree.
	Why are you thinking that?
	That's a great idea.
	No, you did like a little bit of a damn thing.
	I'm like, it kind of initiates me and I feel great.
	It's kind of what?
	Masculine.
	If a girl is initiating with the guy.
	For her to, well, you can, I think you can do so in a feminine way.
	It's not like you walk up to the dude, yo, you want some pussy?
	That's what I did.
	That's what you did, Keith?
	That's not what I did.
	Honestly, I'm really happy how we met organically.
	How did you guys meet?
	We met when I was working at my bar.
	Romantic.
	Oh, yeah.
	We exchanged numbers, but we didn't talk.
	What?
	Was he tanked?
	Was he drunk?
	Oh, no, no.
	It was like early in the night.
	He was perfectly fine.
	And then we didn't talk for like months.
	Like, that was September of 2022.
	And I would just see him out with his friends while I was working, stuff like that.
	Kind of saw how he acted while he was out at the club and how he portrayed himself.
	And then we would talk every once in a while, like, you know, just a little bit.
	And then on New Year's Day, I was working and I saw him there.
	And I went up to him and kissed him on midnight.
	And then we didn't talk for like a week.
	And then we started dating after that.
	Oh, my God.
	Who the hell?
	You asked me.
	I know.
	You literally asked me.
	Okay.
	Wait, really quick.
	Let's do a quick check in here.
	Tay, Kiara, what's going on?
	You guys.
	I'm chilling.
	I'm giddy.
	I'm with glee to be here.
	I haven't said anything.
	Oh, okay.
	No, I. I'm cool now.
	Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	I got what I had to say.
	It's, it's a good thing.
	I feel like I feel like there's this underlying tension.
	Just say it, Taylor.
	I think she's like, you got this.
	I already said what I have to say.
	I feel like she talks all that shit online.
	And when I see her, she acts fake.
	There's nothing else to say.
	You're scared.
	So that, to me, is enough.
	I actually fight.
	I do Muay Thai.
	I don't want to fight a bitch.
	I want to fight somebody who's going to be a bitch.
	That's why I told her, stop running your mouth.
	Oh, into Mark.
	Or you're going to hit me.
	That's the whole point.
	If you keep threatening somebody online, talking shit about them.
	Dude, look at the videos you made.
	You talk so much.
	I've never made a video.
	I've never came on this podcast four times.
	I'm playing video games.
	My father say, hey, have you seen the video Kiko made of you?
	That's what I made of you.
	This whole podcast.
	Why are you acting shocked?
	What did you say?
	I want to fight Taylor.
	I want to fight Taylor.
	I said for 10K, I was getting a boxing ring.
	He asked me how much it would cost for me to.
	He texted me one day and said, Would you ever box Taylor?
	I said, for $10K.
	That's literally how it happened.
	It was never my idea.
	I'm not a fighter.
	Why do you even do it then?
	Why do you even put yourself in those situations if you know you're not a fighter?
	That doesn't make any sense to me.
	I would literally just say, hey, I count for $10,000.
	What are we talking about here?
	You're a whole bitch, dude.
	Well, hold on, hold on.
	Like, what is like, you're mad because we said you were masculine, but then this is how you're.
	Who's we?
	It's only you.
	Ryan's the one who actually said it for you that you were a masculine woman.
	I did not say, hold on.
	Yes, you did, Brian.
	I did not say that.
	I don't think I'm trying to catch hands.
	He said it all quick.
	Yes, you did.
	Wait, I don't think I hold on.
	Yes, you did.
	I don't.
	I don't care what I'm perceived as masculine.
	That's not the answer.
	I don't think I said that.
	I don't care what I look for.
	I don't think I said that.
	That's what I want.
	I don't think I'm going to be able to do it.
	I could be wrong.
	I swear to God.
	I don't think I said that.
	You did.
	You did.
	I watched it.
	You did, Brian.
	I'm not mad at you, but you did.
	Thank you.
	Well, thank you for at least.
	That's not the issue, though.
	It's the issue that you keep running your mouth.
	I don't care whether somebody calls me names, this and that.
	But once you start going to a place where you want to fight somebody, why?
	That's what I don't understand.
	Don't let it go.
	Why don't you say I've responded on the podcast is because people send me your videos that you've made.
	Yeah, after I've watched the podcast, 20 minute YouTube videos about me.
	20 minutes of this, and I'll say it again to your face.
	That's fine.
	No titties.
	You're blend looking ass.
	Whoa.
	You look like the men in black, little skinny things.
	Okay, let's stop.
	We shouldn't insult each other.
	Like, that's fine.
	That's fine.
	You've got to sketch a bit for tits.
	Stop.
	You look like a dude.
	Relax.
	What?
	But then, but I'm the one talking all this shit.
	We should have body shapes.
	I'm saying it to your face.
	I want you to see the same thing you did online.
	Last time we were in the middle of the day.
	Maybe I'm going to shut the fuck up and you start.
	Small dudes are good too.
	Like, you know what?
	I got mad.
	I would have jumped up and got at you.
	If I'm, you can see when I'm mad, I will get out of my chair and put hands on you.
	I'm sorry.
	I forgot you're not.
	This is just a debate.
	Relax.
	So I don't act that way, so I forget that's how people respond because I do use myself.
	So maybe you should stop.
	Maybe you should leave people alone.
	I told you four to five times, stop.
	Her.
	You can go back on all the podcasts and she never stopped running her mouth.
	I was like, why are you going to get it?
	So you want to fight them?
	What for?
	And when you see them, this is you.
	All right.
	So acting like it was non-existent.
	I just want the same anime you gave online.
	That's the only thing I'm saying.
	You didn't walk out of the bitch.
	Let's look like a girl.
	You didn't act.
	That's not how I act.
	Shut up.
	You didn't welcome me in.
	You swear to God you came and shook my hand.
	Learn to welcome you.
	You were late.
	You're an hour and a half late.
	I wasn't going to come here.
	I wasn't going to come here.
	But you were just waiting to make sure I was here.
	Yeah, that's the whole point of me coming here.
	Yeah, that's because I want to tell you your face.
	So stop talking about me.
	Let it go.
	After this podcast is done, please let it go.
	Seriously.
	Girl, I haven't spoken about you in forever.
	I'm telling you things I don't know.
	Just saying to you the last time I thought about you.
	Exactly.
	You're not listening.
	You never listen.
	I don't listen.
	After this, Gallete, please.
	No, I won't.
	Thank you.
	No.
	Callette.
	No.
	See?
	Exactly.
	And this is why women like you get tossed up every fucking time because you guys tossed up.
	I've never been touched.
	You guys will continue and continue when somebody tells you to stop.
	Let it go.
	I will just press charges if you touch it.
	Oh, do it.
	That's like, I don't care.
	Like, what are we doing here?
	It podcastigates an argument and add all that and then talk to you.
	Seriously.
	Like, that's like, learning to regulate your emotions a little bit.
	Relax.
	Like, I know some SSRIs.
	Relax.
	Let's relax.
	Say it right if you're going to say it.
	I don't speak Spanish.
	Obviously.
	Yeah, I could see it.
	I'm not Hispanic, Latina, any of the sort.
	So Latina.
	Shut up.
	Why are you so where'd you get that buckler from?
	Like, holy crap, man.
	Yeah, I'm doing some.
	Tell me the whole thing.
	Can I get a Xanax or something now?
	Like, she's like, give her something.
	Give her a drink.
	Another one.
	She might need it.
	You okay now?
	No, you're scared.
	Are you okay?
	Are you okay now?
	I'm fine.
	I don't like people who don't match energy.
	Like, if I talk about somebody, I'm not going to come and act like nothing happened.
	That's my biggest thing.
	Sorry, I was waiting to get past the introduction.
	We could, like, get past their introductions.
	Like, oh, my God.
	Sorry, I wasn't.
	I'm about what I say.
	I'm not awesome.
	I'm ready to go who fake and rumble over a dating podcast.
	You're a wishy-washy, dude.
	You're like, wishy-washy.
	I've never liked you since day one.
	How's that wishy-washy?
	Run your mouth.
	And then when I come here, you don't say half the stuff you say.
	What are we talking about here?
	You're the one who's made numerous videos.
	This is so hard to do.
	I respond to the brain.
	It's like I'm talking to somebody with two brain cells fighting each other.
	Just be quiet.
	Let it go.
	You're the only one who'll do two brands.
	You're not going to be fighting each other.
	You're not going to do anything.
	You're going to repeat the same things I say because you have your no-comebacks?
	Exactly.
	Oh, Lord.
	I will say this.
	I'm not laughing because you're scared of me.
	If I can, just perhaps support that application.
	I'll press charges.
	I will press charges.
	If you touch me on a dating podcast, I will 100% be pressing.
	And why did you talk about fighting last time?
	$14 million in a boxing ring is very different than you jumping across the table to change.
	Just a second.
	Those are two very different things.
	Let me make two different things.
	Learn what jumping across the table is, Mama C. I'm like last.
	Yo, wait, Kiko.
	You swear a K Master.
	Hold on, hold on.
	Kiko, shut the fuck up.
	I'm about to defend you.
	Okay, so if I can, provide a bit of clarification.
	So I think, Kiko, you guys had some beef.
	I don't know the full details of it.
	I proposed, hey, let's do like, we'll host an actual boxing event.
	And I think that's the context in which Kiko wanted to fight you.
	She didn't want to scrap with you in the street.
	Like, I've never said that.
	No, no, I never said that.
	She did.
	I know it's a boxing match, but I want you to do it now.
	I don't want you to sit here and say you're going to do this.
	Do you have the $10,000?
	They're the ones you're putting.
	I'm not putting up nothing.
	Okay, so I'm not going to get your ass for free.
	I don't need no money.
	You're not going to do the boxing match on the dating podcast.
	I'm not a godly woman.
	We're going to do the boxing.
	It's going to be like there's a boxing ring.
	It's going to be an actual event.
	That's what I'm saying.
	Yes.
	I will be there.
	$10,000.
	She can beat my ass.
	I will run around the rink while she chases me for $10,000.
	I do not care.
	Pay some audience members?
	Outside or in this studio?
	No, we're not fighting.
	Who even said I was fighting you here?
	It's his podcast.
	I'm not going to go and beat your ass on this podcast.
	Come on.
	Am I along?
	I'm saying in general, bro, you're not listening.
	You said we could do it right now.
	You literally said, let's do it right now.
	That's right.
	I'm doing this podcast.
	If we can leave after this, dude.
	In the streets.
	Yeah, I'm not fighting you.
	Exactly, because you won't.
	You're scared.
	I'm not that scared.
	I don't fight.
	I don't need to stop someone with my word.
	That's not willing to do it.
	Don't run your mouth, okay?
	Stop running your mouth.
	I never ran for that.
	That's masculine to fight.
	Yeah, I'm not a fighter.
	And I'm sure.
	The only physical altercation I've ever been is because my best friend was getting jumped by six girls, so I tried to help her do that.
	I'm not a fighter.
	I don't give a fuck.
	Next.
	Says all that for me.
	Bro.
	That's what happens when you disrespect somebody like me.
	I'm very respectful.
	But if people are nice to me, you're not respectful.
	You never have been.
	If you're nice to me and you drop it, I'll let it go.
	I did drop it.
	I didn't say shit.
	So why don't you apologize for all the stuff you said?
	I'm not apologizing for you.
	Exactly.
	You apologize.
	For what?
	For what I do that you do.
	I'm not running my mouth on these fucking podcasts like you.
	No, but you'd make 20-minute videos about it while I talk about the fight.
	I watch this.
	Come on.
	No, everything I said was in a response.
	I'm not gaslighting, bro.
	You've got to grow up, dude.
	I need to grow up.
	You know what?
	I think you owe me some apologies.
	Yeah.
	For what?
	You owe me apologies.
	What do I owe you an apology?
	I owe many apologies for what?
	You've said very mean things.
	Like what?
	I actually hype you up a lot of the times.
	You remember the last time you were on?
	The last time you were on, Kiko, you know, there's the whole thing with the DHS, and you're like, good.
	I want to see the whatever burnout.
	I did not say that.
	I said I didn't want to see, I wanted to see them.
	I wanted to see the Manosphere be investigated for the things that it can be.
	You want me to be investigated by the feds.
	I want there to be some regulations.
	You snitch?
	Don't you?
	You fucking snitch.
	You already said it.
	Yes, I'm a criminology major.
	I can't wait to maybe put on a patrol suit fucking one day.
	I am a snitch.
	I'm an op.
	That is me.
	All the way through and through.
	Opera investigator.
	Like, what do we want to say about it?
	Are you a psyop?
	Aspiring.
	Aspiring psyop.
	Saboteur.
	Are you a saboteur?
	Brian, you know when people have reached out to me trying to get me to sabotage you?
	It would have been done all the time.
	Wait, really?
	Yes.
	Damn, that's sketch.
	I don't care enough.
	Okay.
	I don't do the whole social media shit.
	You're welcome.
	Not really for your benefit, it's because I'm lazy.
	Wow.
	I'm just kidding.
	Wow.
	That was a good idea.
	You're not yourself when you're hungry.
	I am.
	It is that Snickers.
	All right, guys.
	Get yourself a Snickers.
	I'm allergic to nuts.
	Nice to know.
	I just want to say that.
	You're poisoning?
	$200.
	One sec.
	Much as I am enjoying the cat fight and watching the girls run thea moneymakers.
	Can the girls rank themselves as wife material one to ten?
	Wait.
	Wife material.
	Wifey material.
	On a scale of one to ten, how wifey are we?
	Waifu, wifey.
	Oh.
	I don't want to wait.
	There's like two that another one that's about to come.
	Grid, we're going to rate that.
	We're going to do that, but we have another one that's coming in and then we'll do it.
	Loose pussy energy donated $200.
	Brian, bust out the gloves and move out everything the way.
	Everybody wants the smoke and catch a fade.
	Let's fucking go.
	Don't start nothing won't be none.
	Guy at day putos hashtag get the rocks number eight at 18.
	Don't start nothing won't be none, Kiko.
	I'm so sorry for starting this.
	All right, go ahead.
	Sorry, good job.
	Listen to you.
	It was to Brian.
	Good job, what a bitch.
	Good job.
	With is like crawled up your asshole.
	Like remaster.
	We're going to move on.
	We're going to move on.
	Put your swords away.
	We're going to do the wife rating, okay?
	You're going to rank yourself on a scale of one to ten for wife.
	Are you wife material?
	Well, I must be a ten because I'm getting married next month.
	Well, couldn't it be the case, though?
	Not directed at you, but couldn't somebody be getting married but not be wife material?
	Not saying it's the case for you.
	Realistically, probably an eight.
	Right now, I would say a seven.
	I lose three points.
	For what?
	I'm a bartender.
	Okay.
	I smoke cannabis and vape.
	I don't think that's very wifey-like.
	Not wifey.
	And then third, I wake up late a lot.
	Once I take those things away, I think I'll be 10.
	So take away the vaping, bartending, and waking up late.
	Yeah.
	Then you're a 10 out of 10 on the wife's.
	Because read wifey material is like mother, like motherhood material.
	So I think that's like.
	All right.
	What about you?
	I think I would give it an 8.
	Like, the only like two points off would be like from like, because I do OnlyFans.
	Probably that would be like the only reason.
	Okay.
	Because I know how to cook, clean.
	Like, I'm funny.
	Like.
	Good, clean.
	That's all you need, right?
	As a child.
	Do you think that's something men prioritize as a human?
	Yes.
	They always talk about it.
	So she's wife material?
	Funny, cook, and clean.
	Like, that's all they talk about, right?
	Is it?
	That's like the main points.
	That's like the main thing guys care about is virginity.
	Oh, and virginity.
	I'm a virgin.
	have you sex that's i'll hold up You don't have a fucking way.
	I don't buy it.
	You're a virgin?
	Yeah.
	I do, actually.
	You do OnlyFans?
	Yeah.
	And you're a virgin?
	Well, yeah, I only have E-sex that's on the internet.
	You're friends with her.
	Is it true?
	She's a legit, not a born-again virgin.
	She's never had sex.
	She hasn't been born again.
	Is that real?
	That's cheese.
	It's like cybering, like to use a super vulnerable term.
	Don't you care?
	I like cyber sex.
	She's also only 18.
	But she does OF.
	I know.
	That does take away from the virginity a lot for you, I won't lie.
	That does definitely.
	Okay, I get that.
	But like, I'm not, like, I'm different, I guess, because I'm a virgin.
	That's cool, though.
	Yeah.
	That's like what it is.
	You should make like some merch with that.
	Unless you consider like e-sex, like, virginity taking, like.
	You're a fucking liar!
	You're a fucking liar!
	Wait, are you saying that?
	I believe her.
	She always dates dudes on Discord.
	Believe it or not, bro.
	Like, I'm literally a fucking woman.
	Like, I only have E-sex.
	Deplorable dude donated $200.
	I've had a lot of E-books.
	But my head hurts when she speaks.
	Stop saying, like.
	High value men want a woman that can hold an intelligent conversation.
	Also, before it persists, the plural of woman is women.
	Has anybody known that?
	I think it's just the way we talk.
	No, yeah, I know woman and woman.
	Wait, they always call me on that.
	Okay, I know the difference.
	Woman, woman.
	I'm saying two different words here.
	Woman, woman, woman, woman.
	It sounds the same.
	I don't know if it's California accent or what, but I always talk about that.
	Wait, is anybody else here a virgin?
	Oh, yeah.
	Oh, my God.
	Wait, so would you date since you're like Christian or whatever?
	I'm Christian too, but not like strict.
	Yeah, I can tell you not strict.
	But is your type like a virgin?
	Like that's what your wife, like, that's what you're looking for?
	Oh, my God.
	I keep saying like, I'm so sorry whoever said that.
	Apology acceptance.
	Brian actually will not accept any girlfriend applications on my behalf for those who are not virgins.
	Who I am.
	Sorry, I missed that.
	But personally, I don't care.
	Now, I do have to give a caveat.
	I know the statistics for those who have had sex before marriage.
	If you have more than five sexual partners before marriage, you're only 20% likely to have a successful relationship.
	Well, I don't believe in any of that, but like, I'm just, I don't find anything.
	It doesn't matter what you believe in.
	It's more like it's a statistical fact.
	So if you have five or more sexual partners before marriage, your marriage is only 20% likely to succeed.
	Wait, really?
	That's like an actual fact?
	That's an actual fact.
	That's crazy.
	It is crazy.
	But for men, too?
	I don't know about men.
	Is it?
	Okay.
	Which is funny.
	I'm thinking it is.
	Yeah, yeah.
	That statistic is fine, but a lot of men like to use it for women.
	I say the same thing for men.
	I think my number might be different, but it's probably a little bit like maybe it's a couple more.
	Yeah, like seven or something.
	It's the same idea, but a lot of people like to ignore that part.
	So you're seriously claiming virgin, but you have an OnlyFans.
	Do you post nude content on there?
	like what do you consider like new and like your clothes are off do you have clothes on Yeah.
	Wait, no.
	No clothes.
	Yeah.
	That's nude.
	Yeah.
	So nude content, yeah.
	Okay.
	See, see, your confusion between the difference of nude and not nude also calls into question your definition of virgin versus not virgin.
	Well, I know, because that's why I'm asking.
	Does E-sex consider as like having real sex?
	know right so how how so as a christian I just fuck myself like on the like on a Discord.
	So as a Christian.
	What?
	Don't claim God.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, okay.
	What?
	Oh, take dick.
	So as a Christian, Jesus himself said, if you lust after a woman, you have already committed adultery in your heart with that woman.
	So in your position, Jesus sees sin as not just sin of the flesh.
	So what you do, what your actions are.
	He looks at the heart.
	He sees what is in the heart of the person that causes them to sin.
	My family is Christian.
	I know.
	I know, I know.
	Your family's Christian.
	Men also.
	Are you a Christian?
	My dad, I don't really know what my dad is.
	I think he's not really religious, but like my mom's side, like they're all Christian.
	Okay.
	So the point I'm trying to make is men also desire loyalty from a woman.
	Loyalty in mind, in body, in soul.
	So when, and God commands this of women as well for women who are Christians, you ought to be loyal.
	You ought to be loyal to God.
	You're supposed to obey his commands.
	All of these things.
	But as a man, I want my woman to be loyal.
	And if she's putting pictures of herself out there naked, giving herself to every Tom, Dick, and Harry out there, I don't want that.
	No Christian man will want that.
	No Christian man who takes the Bible serious and takes the Lord seriously is going to want that.
	I take the Lord seriously.
	No, you don't.
	I do.
	No, you don't.
	I do.
	Maybe not as serious as...
	No, so God himself says that if you love me, you will keep my commandments.
	But is like being against OnlyFans in the Bible?
	Being against sexual immorality is embodied everywhere.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	God himself talks about the whore of Babylon.
	Like giving themselves out to every man who comes across them.
	Like the Bible speaks upon this extensively.
	You're preaching to her.
	She don't even care.
	She's just laughing.
	What's that saying?
	Don't cast pearls before.
	She's not listening to you.
	Yeah, don't cast pearls before swine.
	Well, we all have our different perspectives on God.
	No, I mean, there's only one perspective.
	No, okay.
	Actually, yeah, the Bible actually hits on this as well.
	But you just said you're a Christian.
	You didn't say you're a multiple religion.
	Are you a Christian?
	And then you're laughing.
	I'm not.
	No, I think it's 1 Peter 20.
	1 Peter.
	So 1 Peter, or 2 Peter 1, verse 20.
	Actually, it says that there is only one interpretation of God's word.
	And it's from the Spirit.
	And there's only one way to interpret the Bible.
	It's the truth.
	There are no multiple truths.
	There's only one truth.
	So, I mean, you can say as much as you want.
	You can say, I'm a Christian.
	I take God seriously.
	But if your actions say otherwise, then the reality is probably not as pleasant as you want.
	Why do you consider yourself a Christian?
	Because I was raised Christian, and I believe in Jesus, and I love Jesus.
	And I know that.
	Oh, you're right.
	like maybe some of the things i do like are sinful and like he doesn't support it but like he knows like how i think and i like i know he forgives me for like the way that i do things because i i agree that they're wrong But like, there's also reasons why I do things and why I do OnlyFans, and he understands that.
	So I feel like I don't have a bad relationship with Jesus.
	Well, it doesn't matter how you feel.
	No, no, okay.
	God's position on sin is one of extremity.
	Like, he is a perfect God and he demands perfection.
	That puts us in an extremely uncomfortable position because I'm not perfect.
	You're not perfect.
	We are in the same boat.
	We deserve God's wrath.
	So he tells us to repent and believe.
	What does repentance mean?
	It means I am broken over my sin.
	I know that it is wrong and I hate it.
	Therefore, I'm going to turn away from it and chase after God.
	It's not this laissez-faire, like, oh, Jesus knows my, he knows that I know it's sinful, but I have to do it for now.
	And I'm just going to spit in his face with my actions, and he'll just forgive me in the end.
	That's not love.
	If I had a relationship with somebody and I said I loved them, but I spit in their face with my actions, I go and cheat on them, I do all of these evil things against them, and then I come to them and say, oh, don't worry, babe, I love you.
	I got eyes only for you.
	Like, I'm not going to believe me.
	Like, I wouldn't believe me.
	That's insane.
	So, when Christians come out, Christians come out and say that I love God.
	He knows I'm sinful, but he forgives me.
	But then I live my life like the world.
	Jesus himself says, like, if you live like the world, if you look like the world, you are of the world.
	My children know my voice and they come to me.
	There are good fruit.
	I mean, good trees will produce good fruit.
	Bad trees will produce bad fruit.
	I totally agree with you.
	Like, I'm not going to lie.
	Like, I agree with you, and I think that's what I do is like bad and like whatever.
	Like, I wish I could be like what Jesus wants for me, but like.
	I would encourage you.
	I totally agree with you.
	Yeah.
	I would encourage you to open up your Bible and just see what God has to say about.
	Like, who he is.
	I know he doesn't like what I do.
	Yeah, well, if you...
	Why do you do a whiff?
	Can I ask you?
	I'm confused.
	Like, I'm confused on.
	Grid one Motorsports donated $200.
	Mason is being nice.
	The Bible says that you are sinning without remorse and acting in unrepentant lust.
	Without changing your evil ways and repenting and seeking atonement, you are going to hell.
	So he's right, but I also want you to see like what you're saying.
	No, I'm not saying that.
	I think that myself.
	So I'm not saying you disagree I find it hard to actually bring myself to it What I would ask you to do You can leave it Number one Number one, submit yourself to a good local church.
	Find one that teaches the Bible, has a plurality of elders, who takes the word of God seriously.
	Read on it, not just looking, okay, what does the Bible say about sexual sin, but who is God?
	What is his character?
	Learn about him, because if you love him, you'll want to know more about him.
	And as you do that, you'll understand the deeper things that you need to know.
	Then all of the things like, should I be practicing this and that, that'll become clear.
	Because right now it just doesn't seem that's clear for you.
	Because I think you don't really understand who God is and what he asks of us and what he provides.
	Because it's so much better than what I think you're doing.
	I do have to move on.
	Sorry, yeah.
	Life material, scale of one to ten.
	Go ahead.
	I give myself a solid nine.
	I give myself a four.
	Like an eight.
	Into the mic, please.
	Nine.
	Eight.
	All right.
	Thank you, Grid One Motorsports.
	Appreciate it.
	Here, let me read a couple chats here just to get caught up on them.
	We have another one from Grid One.
	Kiara, can I have you read these?
	Men can lose weight, get a better job, change their outlook on life, and build themselves into better men.
	It's a lot harder for a plastic, fantastic, shallow salute to become a woman worth having.
	Well, okay.
	Thank you, Grid One Motorsports.
	Really appreciate it.
	Good to see you in the chat, man.
	I think you've been gone a couple shows.
	Good to see you back.
	We have Flamethrower 82.
	Hey, thank you so much, man.
	Appreciate it.
	Me again?
	Yeah.
	Why does he have to change for you to like him?
	We don't buy an Android wanting it for it to become an iPhone.
	That sounds like you don't like the product you're buying.
	For those of you who said that, if you want to respond.
	I agree.
	Wait, but you.
	She's confused.
	She's 18.
	Her mind should probably change eight times since sitting in that situation.
	Oh, her prefrontal cortex.
	Is that it?
	Not developed.
	I mean, these aren't great examples of what I'd be talking about.
	Okay.
	Well, so the question is, why does he have to change for you to like him?
	She already likes him, as is.
	That's my understanding.
	You just want to adjust certain behaviors for what reason?
	Wait, why am I answering this?
	I feel like...
	I don't know, who was the one who says you like to change, you want to change men?
	I think it was you two.
	That's why I'm directing it.
	You can answer too.
	I feel like there's an inherent part of women that, you know, because we think more emotionally than logically, we're more likely to see the potential in a man.
	And maybe it is part delusion in thinking that he will get to that point.
	But like the comment said, I'm okay with dating an android as long as he eventually wants to be an iPhone as well.
	If I could see him as an iPhone, like, but he, you know, but he has to be able to see himself one day as an iPhone too.
	So susari, I was thinking of something else.
	I wasn't reacting to you.
	And I don't think there's anything wrong with the way that women inherently see potential value in their man.
	And I don't think it's wrong for a woman to want her man to prosper and grow in the world.
	And I don't think a man shouldn't feel that way about himself either.
	Okay.
	We have Kill of Cereal.
	Guarda Silencio, keep your beef on the streets.
	Use that same energy and use it towards debating on different topics that the whatever podcast offers.
	That's why you're here.
	That's why we're here.
	From Killa of Cereal.
	I was here to debate.
	I don't, if that was directed towards us.
	You guys want to debate on something?
	Well, if we could get around the table on a full concise thought, something.
	Yeah.
	Is there anything dating related that you guys disagree on?
	Just us two or the table.
	Well, you two, yeah.
	Honestly, we probably agree on a lot of stuff, which is funny.
	She would have.
	Common ground.
	Look at that.
	There's common ground.
	You guys are like best friends now.
	No, I wouldn't.
	Okay, never mind.
	Never.
	They don't talk shit about me.
	Oh.
	No.
	Oh, God.
	Oh, God.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Could be broken.
	So.
	Truce it out.
	We could duke it out, then truce it out.
	I'm not a man.
	I don't do that.
	That's how men handle issues.
	Fight and then make up.
	Duke it out.
	That's fine.
	Fight.
	Fight and then.
	Like, fight it out.
	No, like, cool with somebody who's not cool with you.
	It makes no sense.
	It's hard to be cool with somebody who makes everything a joke and doesn't take anything serious.
	Because we were in a little bit.
	All right, moving on.
	We're going to move on.
	We're moving on.
	We're moving on.
	Okay.
	So wait, it's Aurora and Avery, correct?
	Okay, so I'm going to get into some of my pre-show notes here.
	So, and this is going to sort of segue from our conversation we were having about, you know, the OF.
	So Aurora, in your pre-show notes here, you said that you're, and if you want to split Nick, you said that you were conservative and traditional, is that correct?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	And then Avery, do you also consider yourself conservative?
	Yes.
	And traditional?
	Yes.
	And you're both Christian, correct?
	Yes.
	Because Avery, I've seen in some of your photos on your Instagram, you wear a cross.
	So we're going to do, and by the way, actually, opening this up to the rest of the panel, who here considers themselves traditional?
	Me.
	Traditional?
	No, I don't.
	You're traditional.
	You?
	Yeah.
	Traditional.
	Traditional, but with a sense of reality in the way society is set up today.
	Okay.
	Same.
	Traditional.
	No.
	No.
	Half traditional.
	Half traditional.
	Okay.
	So we're going to do a segment called, Are They Traditional?
	Tradition.
	So we're going to pull up Alex's Instagram, Aurora's Instagram, and Avery's Instagram.
	We're going to.
	Are they traditional in this dimension?
	What's that?
	I think by my Instagram might be traditional.
	You're going to say I'm trading.
	But I think yours is on private, isn't it?
	Yeah.
	All right, we have Alex's Instagram here.
	Nick, make it small, please.
	Who's that?
	I'm scared.
	All right.
	So this is Alex here.
	Girl in seat number one.
	Scroll down.
	Is she traditional?
	is she oh there it is there's uh there There's the hubby.
	The fiancé, excuse me.
	Okay.
	All right.
	The buns out and everything.
	The buns, the booties, the booties out.
	Oh, shit.
	Shots fired.
	Okay.
	Sometimes I do.
	Is she traditional?
	Scroll to the bottom, scroll to the bottom.
	There you go.
	And you do, you also said that you do OnlyFans, correct?
	Yes.
	But my fiancé, he manages it.
	So I feel like that could be traditional.
	Wait, what?
	But okay.
	In a way, I mean, I agree that it's not too much.
	Traditional or not traditional.
	Traditional, not traditional.
	Did you know that in the 1970s, if you dressed like you did in that picture, the secular authorities would have cuffed you, arrested you, and throw you in a mental institute?
	Wait, then which photo?
	Really?
	Most of those photos.
	Okay, I agree with you.
	Isn't she there?
	I mean, weren't there bikinis and shit in the 70s?
	Song bikinis?
	I don't know what to do.
	One releases.
	Extremely Marilyn Monroe was risque in her really covered one piece.
	So traditional, not traditional chat.
	And but you also do OnlyFans.
	Yeah, but my guys, guys, stop, stop.
	Hey, one button.
	Shut the fuck up.
	Guys, shut the fuck up.
	Kindly, one microphone at a time.
	Go ahead.
	I stopped doing it for a while, though.
	We just started back up.
	But he manages the whole thing.
	So it's like, I'm not, I don't look at it.
	I don't post anything to it.
	He does it all.
	It's just me and him.
	That's sad.
	Was it his idea or yours?
	I'm not going to answer that.
	That's sad.
	It was both of ours.
	Regardless, it's like, why would your soon-to-be husband want to use your body?
	The thing that should be sacred to him.
	No, I don't think so.
	He's literally.
	Because we both agree.
	He's doing it.
	Well, it doesn't matter what you agree to.
	I mean, like, there are a lot of people who agree to be in terrible relationships.
	I'm not saying that you have a terrible relationship.
	I'm just using it as an example.
	But he's using your body and he's managing all of this stuff.
	The thing that should be his very personally very soon as you get married for financial gain.
	Essentially, he's using you as an object to make money, which is like deeply concerning.
	Well, okay, I understand that too.
	That means you're fighting.
	I absolutely love it.
	Ask the girl in Figaloa.
	She's going to tell you she loves her pimp.
	That's her daddy.
	That's her boyfriend.
	They're going to say he's your pim daddy.
	That's what he is.
	He doesn't pimp me out like that, though.
	He manages your OnlyFans.
	I mean, obviously, he doesn't conventionally pimp you out, but he does pimp you out to the internet.
	He's selling your body online and I don't want other men to see your body.
	Men are protecting.
	honestly it's heartbreaking it's not like yeah I wouldn't say he doesn't care about you.
	I think he does because he's been around many girls and he chose me over all of them.
	Did he ask them to do OnlyFans first and I said no?
	He didn't like any of them.
	He only liked me.
	I actually, I mean, I don't know what the scope of your OnlyFans is, but I mean, just talking about your Instagram.
	Me personally, I don't have like a massive judgment or major object, like individual objections to what's on your OnlyFans.
	Typically, my train of thought with this question is if you call yourself a modern woman, I don't really object to your Instagram.
	But if you're going to like kind of try to, I don't know if the right word is steal, but if you're going to represent yourself as a traditional conservative woman, but you're not particularly modest in your public-facing Instagram, it's like, well, you got to kind of call that out because it's like, well, you're claiming to be this one thing, but you're kind of not.
	Yeah, I agree with that too.
	I try to be, you know, traditional.
	Okay.
	But also, I always stay traditional.
	I understand that too, though.
	I agree at the same time.
	Okay.
	Now we have two other traditional conservative.
	No, no, no, no.
	You can't walk it back now.
	You can't walk it back now.
	So we're going to pull up.
	That's not like the you can't be married.
	Next Instagram, please.
	All right, we have Aurora in 4K here.
	Okay.
	So scroll down.
	You deliberate on it.
	Traditional.
	Not quite.
	Wow, your body.
	I need the average.
	Scroll back up a little bit.
	Okay, there it is.
	Traditional or not traditional.
	Traditional or not traditional.
	Scroll back up.
	I believe in being traditional.
	And then there's your OnlyFans link, right?
	No.
	Yes.
	Oh, okay.
	All right.
	So, I wouldn't say I'm traditional, but like, I believe.
	And you're also Christian too, correct?
	Yeah.
	Your family know you do that.
	I'm not, like, strictly Christian, but like, I believe in Christianity.
	I have no idea what that means.
	Okay, like.
	She believes in Jesus.
	She believes in a higher power.
	I actually, I agree with that statement.
	You can believe in Christianity.
	You can believe in Jesus.
	But even Jesus said, even the devils believe that I know that I am God.
	So you can believe in it, but it's, do you submit to God's authority?
	Do you love God?
	That is the defining question.
	That's deep.
	She don't even care.
	No, I do.
	I do.
	I swear to God.
	I think that's deep.
	And like, I wish.
	It's just Gen Z.
	I don't even know what you're saying.
	We'll fix you.
	Fix me, please.
	We'll fix you.
	Yeah, we'll fix you.
	Okay.
	Not in a romantic way.
	Okay, that's not what I meant you.
	The way you're saying it.
	And then we'll pull up Avery.
	There's her OF link at the top there.
	Scroll down slow.
	So chat, traditional or not traditional?
	Chat.
	Booty photo.
	You play basketball in a bikini.
	What the hell?
	Bikini, bikini.
	Look, it's not the worst.
	We've seen worse on here.
	Yeah.
	But is it traditional?
	And you're Christian, correct?
	Wait, scroll back up.
	Wait, bro.
	Click on the middle one there.
	Click on the middle one.
	Okay, you're wearing a cross necklace, right?
	Yes.
	Okay, and then X out.
	And then the right one, click on that one.
	You're also wearing a cross necklace in this photo, too, right?
	Okay, so you're Christian.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Well, your Instagram is not the most modest, and then you do have that link there to your OF, which I assume you post nude pornographic content.
	What do you mean you don't?
	What do you mean you can't say?
	Because then that will leave my fans like they gotta subscribe to find that.
	No, we're not gonna play that game.
	Why don't you just tell us?
	Why don't you just tell us what kind of content you want?
	Wait, what if it was just like not nude, like bikini pics and everything?
	Like, would you consider that?
	What do you mean?
	Well, I'm not really interested right now in engaging in the hypothetical.
	Why don't you just tell me what it's not fully on there?
	It's partial nudity, though.
	Correct.
	Sure.
	Okay.
	And same for you, correct?
	She said she.
	It's not about me.
	No, well, I'm asking you for that.
	That's what she said.
	Wait, what if we be D-Day in the club?
	What do you mean?
	You're little, you know, like yourself online.
	No, I don't.
	That's what I said like 20 minutes ago.
	I did not say that, but subscribe to find out anyways.
	Wait, what?
	You're good.
	Do you want to answer the question?
	Wait, one question?
	So what kind of content are you making on there?
	I am making nude content.
	Okay.
	Partially nude.
	Okay.
	So you're both Christian.
	You at least initially said you were both conservative and traditional.
	I'm just curious with you.
	On your OnlyFans, you were wearing a cross.
	Do you wear that while you're shooting the adult content?
	I don't think so.
	No, you usually don't have any jewelry on.
	Okay.
	Now, you are religious, though, correct?
	You're Christian.
	Mm-hmm.
	Okay.
	Do you think God approves of you?
	Just split it, please.
	Do you think God approves of you of doing adult content?
	No, I'm with Aurora.
	Like, I know, I understand that it's bad, but I know he knows it's bad.
	And, like, I'm obviously not, like, the proudest, but I still consider myself Christian.
	I got a question.
	Hold on, hold on, hold on.
	Please, it's.
	No, hold on.
	And do you think that God approves of you doing adult content?
	I don't think he approves of it, but I feel like he understands reasons why I do it.
	I agree.
	So she asked you to go, like, why do you do it?
	And he said, because you're confused.
	So why do you guys do OnlyFans?
	Like, why?
	Are you guys homeless without it?
	Like, money?
	Like, what is the potential?
	Absolutely.
	Besides this, can't work the money.
	Like, why do you want to do that?
	I've lived in a really toxic household and like I didn't, it wasn't my first choice.
	But you're 18, so it kind of was your first choice because how much time did you say?
	There's a story.
	There's a story in the Bible of the rich young ruler where Jesus tells him, come and follow me.
	No, no, the rich young ruler presents himself to him, says, hey, Lord, let me, I want to follow you.
	I want to do, I want to love you.
	I want to do what you want me to do.
	I've done all these things in my life.
	I'm good.
	I've kept the commandments.
	And then Jesus tells him, sell everything you own.
	Come and follow me.
	And because he was a man of great wealth and he loved his money and his riches more than he loved Christ, he walked away.
	And that's what Jesus commands of his followers.
	No, and I agree with you.
	Get rid of the things that keep us away from him.
	Because if we claim that these things are more important than our walk with God, then we're not really his children.
	Well, the world we live in today is really evil and it's unfortunate because I wish I could live like that, but I don't want to be like struggling.
	Like I love God, but like I don't want to, like in this world we live in, it's modern days.
	Like, if you're homeless, like, your life is shitty.
	I would make the argument that people in Jesus' time were struggling a little more than people who are struggling right now.
	So when he called the rich young ruler.
	We're surrounded with shitty people in this whole entire world.
	We're surrounded by the shit.
	Moving on.
	Go ahead, Ted.
	Can I say something respectfully?
	I come from a very toxic household too.
	I've been working since I was 16 years old.
	I've never sold my body.
	I did everything I could to get to where I'm at.
	I'm a licensed therapist now and I content create.
	Do you know how hard it took me to get to where I'm at and I've never sold my body?
	So when you're saying that, it's kind of like of an excuse.
	I'm not trying to attack you whatsoever because like I said, it's your life, whatever, but you're using the excuse of having a toxic family.
	I didn't have a mom.
	I didn't have a lot of things growing up.
	So you could work at a warehouse.
	You can be, you can do a lot of things.
	I make six figures now because of social media.
	But I had to get up there.
	I used to bartend just like her and I didn't want to do that.
	I used to wash dishes.
	I used to work in a freaking warehouse loading trailers.
	You think a girl wants to do that?
	No.
	So when you guys are saying this stuff and then talking about God, it makes no sense.
	If you cared a lot about God, you'd follow the way he wants you to be, not however you think you should be.
	And like the excuses to me, I'm not trying to be rude, but it just sounds crazy.
	Well, you know, like, I know it sounds crazy.
	Like, I do OnlyFans and I sin, but I still pray to God every day.
	Every night.
	Yeah, I also still have goals.
	I'm a student.
	So if I steal every single day and tell God, please thank you.
	Like, how does that work?
	If I go hurting people in this world and then say, oh, God, forgive me, you're not learning your lesson.
	God sees you.
	Okay, when you make a mistake and you pray to God, God sees you for what you do afterwards.
	And you don't feel bad enough.
	You don't care enough because it would make you stop.
	And like I said, you just said you game, right?
	You're beautiful.
	You know how many people would get on your freaking Twitch?
	Because of how you look.
	You don't even have to do that.
	You don't have to pull your clothes off.
	I can help you make money instead of doing OF.
	I don't want this to seem like an attack on you at all, at all.
	Killer of cereal donated $200.
	Your body is the most sacred, intimate form of your being.
	Says a lot about a person who is willing to compromise that sanctity for something as superfluous as money.
	Get a skill, save your soul.
	Amen.
	We're not talking you guys, but there's just so many women these days that are like girls who, as soon as they turn 18, they're like, oh, I'm just going to do it while I'm in school to make some money.
	It's not just a do-it-to-make some money.
	That's your life now.
	Like, you will forever be attached to you.
	Yeah, so it's not just you guys, but it's not just like a, oh, I don't know what I'm going to do, so I'm going to make some money on OnlyFans.
	Would you guys have gone to the strip club?
	Would you guys have hopped up on Pornhub if OnlyFans wasn't an option?
	No.
	So then, exactly why you shouldn't have been doing OnlyFans because you weren't that desperate.
	They're not, though.
	No, they're not.
	It's all the same.
	To everyone who doesn't do that stuff, Pornhub, OnlyFans shipper, that's all coinciding.
	All of this is going to be boxed together.
	That's how many people are.
	I mean, honestly, stripping, I would say, is probably less of a red flag.
	I completely agree.
	Yeah, online forever.
	Yeah, it's because it's online for.
	Yeah, stripping is honestly less of a red flag to me than OnlyFans.
	Not everybody's better than you.
	It's not on there forever.
	When they're 40, like, it is a good, it is a safe bet that they're not going to have that content online.
	But OnlyFans, when you're 40, when you're 50, when you have children, grandchildren, that content will be online forever.
	Grid1 Motorsports donated $200.
	We literally live in the easiest time in the history of man.
	Just be real and say you do not want to actually work.
	You are not willing to move to somewhere that is cheaper to live.
	Get help, be better.
	How is it that you're going to be able to do that?
	I think you're good one.
	It's actually the hardest.
	It's the hardest time.
	Wait, wait, wait, the hardest time for people who do OnlyFans.
	What?
	Wait, does that mean that?
	OnlyFans is like the easiest way to do that.
	He says it's the easiest time for me.
	I have in history.
	Yeah, I have to kind of push back.
	I have to push back.
	Hold on.
	That's the easiest way.
	Like, that's not talking about that.
	No, but he's saying right now we live in the easiest time in the history of man in terms of like comfort.
	So do you think life is easier today as compared to say 300 years ago?
	Did he say 300 years ago?
	I mean, that of all history means this is the easiest time to ever live.
	I don't know.
	I didn't live 300 years ago.
	Take a guess.
	So think back to your high school or college history classes.
	I feel like it's getting harder every year.
	Life is harder.
	Not for us.
	OnlyFans are not.
	There's no indoor plumbing.
	She's not looking at that site.
	She's seen it as a plumbing and all that stuff that's going on in the past two years.
	That's what I'm getting into her head.
	She's not thinking about the fact that 200 years ago we didn't have these things.
	Her mind is only set on the fact that gas and eggs are expensive right now.
	So she thinks it's harder than before.
	Okay, you know the toilet?
	There weren't toilets.
	We didn't even have bikes back in the day.
	There weren't toilets.
	We're straight and shit in the ocean.
	Shit in the ocean, son.
	What if you get Idaho?
	Shit in the lake.
	In the lake?
	Think about it this way.
	What if there's just a tributary?
	What if there's just a tributary?
	What?
	What if there's just a tributary?
	You know she does not know what that is.
	She doesn't know what a tributary is.
	Nick, could you Google tributary?
	Tributary, Google of that shit.
	I hope I used it right.
	I probably imagine it's like something totally unrelated.
	tributary.
	Well, modern comforts are like such a huge one.
	I got Google tributary.
	Not the meaning, just, you got it, Nick?
	I'll wait.
	I want to hear what you have to say.
	Pull the shit up.
	Tributary.
	A river or stream flowing into a larger river or lake.
	You know, you could.
	Okay.
	There's shit in there.
	Like, what the fuck?
	That was pretty nerdy.
	All right.
	Just to put it in perspective, even the homeless people now, like around LA, a lot of them are able to get free food.
	They have not necessarily a safe place to live, but there are things in place so that they live somewhat a better life than people back in history.
	A lot of them.
	They're starving who didn't have any type of shelter.
	They at least have tents.
	They have restaurants that they can go to where they get free food at the end of the day.
	That's why people choose to be homeless in LA.
	Yeah, I was going to make that point.
	And some of them have money.
	Like, I know there's this one homeless woman on Venice Beach.
	They call her the general.
	That bitch is a millionaire, and she chooses to be homeless.
	On the street, she has her own station on Venice Beach.
	I save a lot of money.
	The only reason why she probably isn't.
	She wouldn't be a millionaire if she had a lot of people.
	A lot of women choose to be homeless because it's easier to take other people's money than try to work for their own.
	Right.
	And there's one thing I do have to say.
	Not only that, if you put, I know from other people, I haven't, but if you apply homeless and get food stamps, they also give you, I think, like $200 a month or something like that.
	And you dental all that.
	You're going to have to do that stuff for free for real.
	That's crazy.
	And Santa Barbara, if you spend one night in the shelter, they'll get you on six and eight immediately.
	Yeah.
	Wow.
	It's too easy.
	We're going to switch gears here, but you know, listen, if you guys want to consider stopping.
	Being homeless.
	Would you be homeless if you stopped OnlyFans?
	Fuck no.
	You're not saving your money.
	You're not saving any of that money.
	That's insane.
	She just said she wouldn't be homeless if she stopped.
	So there's only OnlyFans.
	No, I heard that wrong.
	You would be homeless if you stopped OnlyFans.
	I mean, I could live with my parents, my family.
	But like without them, probably, yeah.
	You can save your money if you be smart about it.
	I just started moving on living.
	Brian is about two months away from having a bigger bra size than Kiko.
	Brian, please respect your views and lose some goddamn weight.
	You're sitting further away from the table.
	Each up said, yeah, man, getting chubby, working on it.
	You know, I got to lose some weight.
	It's in the works.
	It's in the works.
	Me and Mason, he's fucking putting me on boot camp.
	Oh, yeah.
	What do my titties do to you guys, bro?
	Good question.
	God damn.
	Good question.
	Yeah, I'm working on it, boys.
	I'm working on it.
	It doesn't help that Maddie back here.
	Welcome back, Maddie.
	She made a lemon cake for the show, and I had like two slices.
	Okay, I'm working on it, boys.
	Working on it.
	Diet time.
	It's happening, boys.
	Okay.
	Where were we?
	We were.
	Here, let's just do this.
	Stifler, ask everyone to rate their looks on a scale of one to ten.
	Going around the table, starting with you.
	Go ahead.
	Um, an eight.
	Okay.
	I'm feeling like a seven.
	I'm feeling like a seven or eight.
	Eight.
	Ten.
	I feel like it's kind of boring today, so like a five.
	Okay.
	I'm going to say a six, seven because we're, well, LA.
	Different states vary.
	Sync go five.
	Uh, eight.
	Five.
	So we have one ten at the table.
	We have a perfect, a perfect woman here.
	I don't think I'm perfect, but oh, I think I'm a ten.
	I love myself and I'm happy with myself, but I wouldn't change a thing about myself, so I think I'm a 10.
	You wouldn't change anything about yourself?
	No, I'm happy.
	Do you have lip filler?
	No.
	You don't?
	No.
	I don't.
	Have you ever had lip filler?
	No.
	You might be telling the truth, but also the way you're saying it.
	You're getting all shy and sweet.
	No, I haven't.
	I haven't.
	I love myself.
	I'm happy with myself.
	I think I'm a 10.
	You're beautiful.
	Thank you.
	I do.
	Is your actual last name Jenner?
	I was just going to say you look like Kendall Jenner.
	I feel like the three points that I take off from a 10 is like the three insecurities that I have.
	Which are what?
	I don't know.
	Like, they vary sometimes, but like, I feel like it's majority, like, three.
	Maybe like I'll get like a tit job.
	I have a big-ass forehead and like barely four fingers.
	It looks normal to me.
	I don't know.
	Well, to you guys, yeah.
	But like to me, like everyone has their own insecurities.
	What do they call that body disfigure?
	I've seen your, I've seen clips of you.
	You said you were like a six or a seven.
	Would you say a six?
	Like I have a second.
	Do you have insecurities?
	What do you mean?
	Like, why do you give yourself a six?
	Because, like, if you give yourself a ten, you have no insecurities.
	Not necessarily.
	Well, I have insecurities.
	That's why I give myself a seven.
	I don't object.
	I don't object to it.
	I don't think it's insecurity.
	Well, what is it then?
	It's just like you make an objective evaluation of how you look.
	But like, how do I think I appear to everybody else?
	I'm fine with being an eight.
	Like, that's because I'm insecure about my looks.
	Well, what does the two points take off of then?
	I just don't think I'm a perfect 10.
	Well, what makes you not perfect?
	That's insecurities, right?
	Well, okay, so like if you want to get in the nitty-gritty of it, it's like, okay, how symmetrical is your face?
	No, it's not insecure.
	I just know I'm not perfectly, my face isn't perfectly symmetrical.
	Well, what if someone else thought that they were, but you don't, and that's what insecurities are?
	Hmm?
	What do you mean?
	Someone else thought that you, what you thought weren't perfect, and they thought that they were perfect, but like you don't, and that's what an insecurity is.
	Or the other person's delusional.
	Yeah.
	Or the other person may just be insane.
	Okay, I guess.
	Yeah.
	Like, I think that that's what it is.
	The evaluation of yourself doesn't mean you have an insecurity.
	If anything, it just means you know the truth and you're accurate.
	I feel like, yeah, that's true too.
	Yeah.
	Maybe I'm accurate of my insecurities.
	Like maybe everyone just said that they didn't agree that my forehead wasn't.
	Maybe it's just like you know.
	So it must just be an insecurity because everyone just said my forehead wasn't healed.
	Okay.
	So that's why insecurities aren't the points that like how you rank yourself because that's it's that ranking, even though we're doing it ourselves, it's technically what other people view you as other people perceive me.
	So then what does it mean?
	Is it what other people see me as or is it what I see me as?
	So what are you guys asking?
	What do you assume other people would rank you?
	Like compared to the population.
	I guess we'll never know because like we all have insecurities or we don't.
	That like wasn't the question.
	It was like to rate yourself, not you think other people would rate you.
	Everyone says I have like an accent from some random ass place.
	I don't want Canada.
	I would guess Canada.
	No, some people say like Australia.
	I was going to say you look Australian.
	Bro.
	It's blonde and blue eyes.
	So okay, you're the only 10.
	Okay.
	I changed my answer, probably a seven.
	Is that up or maybe a six?
	I said eight, but probably.
	Oh, now you're downgrading.
	Because if you're a seven, then I'm a six.
	Oh my gosh, shut up.
	Is anyone going to tell her?
	Not you, not you.
	Oh, who?
	So you're not a 10.
	It's okay.
	Is that like, I think I'm a 10.
	If you don't think I'm a 10.
	So are you asking us what we think of ourselves or what other people think of ourselves?
	Because how would we know that?
	The question was to rate ourselves, not what I think other people are.
	Well, they're kind of related, though, is the thing.
	How?
	10 is like model status.
	Like, think of all the most beautiful women in the world.
	If you're competing with them, one to ten being the highest at the end of the day.
	So 10 is model status.
	If you're not competing with other women, I'm definitely not a 10.
	Oh, yeah.
	So compared to model status, I give myself seven.
	I feel like I agree.
	Like, 10 is a model status.
	Like, everyone wants to be a model, like, perfect.
	Like, every features are perfect, whatever.
	That's what I think a 10 is.
	But, like, also, models all look differently.
	That's like they all look different.
	I've been taking these celebrities online and that had a million things done to their face.
	Like, I'm ranking myself out of a group of all-natural women because I've never done anything to myself.
	So, I don't think it's fair that I have to rank myself to Kylie Jenner and chuck in.
	I ranked myself to hair over there.
	Like, they have hella work done.
	That's true.
	That's a whole other rank.
	That's ranked them out of the best plastic surgery you can get.
	No, that's fair.
	That's right.
	You have to rank yourself against Kylie Jenner.
	I do.
	Oh, but then I'll rank myself even higher.
	Oh, yeah.
	Oh, yeah.
	Kylie, before surgery?
	Come on.
	She had surgery?
	What do you mean?
	She had like a nose job.
	Like three of them.
	Damn.
	Wait, so okay.
	Kind of related to this.
	Do you think you'll be more physically attractive in 10 years than you are now?
	Here we go again.
	No, because you age?
	10 years, yes.
	You'll be more attractive.
	At 34, if I keep on the path I want to get on, then I think so.
	At 34, 34 year old.
	Have we not seen what some of these women look like?
	You can look damn good at home.
	Of course, you can still be very strong in sexual Botox.
	Of course.
	All the time.
	Black gravity of the time.
	Nobody notices that.
	All right, Kika.
	All right.
	What about you?
	I think, well, like, I'm probably going to get Botox in 10 years.
	So, like, yeah.
	Do you think that I'll look good as a 28?
	That's not the question, though.
	Will you be more attractive in 10 years than you are now?
	How am I going to know that?
	You know, just kind of the nature of aging, that thing.
	Do you want me to teleport into time?
	Like, I don't know.
	Well, like, if you were a betting woman, let's say we put you forward 30 years.
	Are you going to be more attractive in 30 years than you are now?
	You look old.
	I'm going to have Botox, and nobody, like, looks better with Botox than you did when they were younger.
	You're 18, right?
	So in 30 years, you'll be 48.
	So are you more physically attractive now at 18?
	Probably, yeah.
	Versus 48.
	What about 38?
	I mean, wait, 38?
	Let's bring it down 10 years, 38.
	I'll probably still look better now.
	I mean, everyone gets older.
	28.
	That's the age, right?
	What about 28, though?
	Not everybody.
	Some people look better when they're 18.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Sometimes.
	Like, sometimes, but like that's.
	If you take care of yourself.
	Everyone looks.
	I mean, even you said on a podcast like before, you like younger women because for what reason?
	There's a whole bunch.
	I mean, there's a whole bunch of reasons.
	Yeah, probably one because one because they probably look better.
	Yeah.
	I think that's so subjective.
	I've never lined up an 18-year-old and 30-year-old and been like 18-year-old automatically more attractive.
	Like that's like I don't think you're prettier than Taylor and Taylor's 10 years old.
	No, exactly.
	Like it's just like age.
	That's why I don't think, I don't see how you guys say like, oh, when you age, you're getting ugly.
	Like, yeah, there's obviously a threshold.
	Some people don't.
	You don't look good at a certain age and some people do.
	Jaden gets Miss Mom looks really good.
	I mean, I think most women are 60 years old.
	Sophia Valley, what's her name?
	She's like the Mexican.
	She's like 50.
	She's like 50 years old.
	Okay, you guys are getting a lot of fun.
	You guys are getting.
	There's some extreme confusion going on here.
	It's not like, okay, I'm going to take one person who's 30 and another person who's 18.
	That's not the question.
	Ourselves personally.
	Yeah, exactly.
	I get that.
	But I'm saying I think personally most women look better.
	Like compared to an 18-year-old, I think on average, most women look better at 28 than they did at 18.
	I agree.
	Because they're finding themselves better.
	They know how to style themselves, how to do themselves up, can get in the gym more, can have their mind right.
	All of that produces, dress themselves better.
	That produces a more attractive woman.
	I don't disagree that like knowing those things are good.
	I'm just saying like physically speaking, guys will find those women who are between the ages of 19 and like 22 the most attractive.
	Also your comparison is a bit disingenuous because like you're factoring in like, oh, if you're styling better, the comparison would be a one-to-one like-for-like comparison.
	Assuming the 18-year-old knew how to dress the right way and style the right way.
	They don't though.
	Like they can.
	I'm not saying that's ugly.
	She looks great.
	Like they look great, but I'm better talented with that.
	It takes a decade to figure out.
	It could have happened at 24.
	It could have happened.
	She had been a terrible style to you.
	That might have been what was hit when she was your age.
	When she was my age, she had good style.
	But now she has like weird eyes.
	She's old.
	Here, let's get everybody's answer.
	She doesn't care anymore.
	Maybe ask a man who's her age.
	When she was my age, she was wearing designer all the time.
	Now she's a little bit more.
	Brian, please preface this question with this phrase, all else being equal.
	You're right.
	Ladies, all else being equal, will you be more or less physically attractive now or in 10 years?
	All else being equal.
	Thank you.
	I forgot to do it.
	You're right.
	That's right.
	I stay with you.
	Else being equal, will you be more physically attractive now or in 10 years?
	It's unrealistic as hell, but for the sake of the hype, the question, then yes, hypothetical.
	I'm just going to say yes.
	Yes, wait, no, no, no, no, I'm going to say no.
	I'm not, wait, you're not.
	Can I say that I'm going to be just as attractive?
	You can actually just use the words so we know what the yes or no means.
	Okay, can I say that I will be just as attractive, but I'm older?
	I have a fair question.
	No.
	No, yes or no.
	She'll be more attractive.
	I suppose you could say you could remain the, you'll look the exact same.
	Well, okay, yeah, maybe I will, but like, will I be more attractive or less attractive?
	What if I'm the same amount of attractive, but I look different?
	I'm the same person.
	I just look older.
	I don't think aging works.
	What does looking older mean?
	It is, though.
	I'm the same person, but I'm older.
	That's how aging works.
	So would I change souls?
	Like, what does it mean?
	Okay, we're assuming that this person has gone through puberty.
	So 18 years old and up.
	So what does it mean?
	Getting older.
	When someone looks older, what does that mean?
	It means that they aged.
	So what does age mean?
	It means that they're getting older.
	What do you mean?
	So usually, okay, I'll make it, I'll kind of summarize it.
	It means that they start getting wrinkles.
	They start getting wrong.
	There we go.
	There we go.
	So they start getting wrinkles.
	So are you going to so why would you get Botox?
	Because I don't want wrinkles.
	So it would be less attractive?
	I mean, some people don't care, but like.
	So when you're 28 years old and you start to have wrinkles, are you going to be less attractive or more attractive than you are right now?
	Okay, I'm going to say less attractive because I'll probably be insecure, but my wrinkles and probably see myself.
	No, no, no.
	So the insecurity thing.
	The insecurity thing is a personality problem.
	It's not a physical issue.
	Okay, well, I'm just going to say I'm going to be less attractive.
	Okay, yeah, that's fair enough.
	In 10 years?
	All else being equal.
	What does that mean?
	Like, you know how to style yourself, you have good hygiene, all that.
	Like, there's nothing.
	You get more fit.
	You're more fit.
	No.
	Like.
	Probably not, but I already know I'm going to be an attractive person.
	Like, well, but that's.
	We all acknowledge.
	We all acknowledge that you can be attractive at 25, 35, 45.
	That's not, it's just.
	Will you be attractive when you're 10 years older?
	That's all you're doing.
	No, That's not even the question.
	It's not even the question of will you be attractive in 10 years?
	Again, it's not the question.
	It's a comparison.
	Probably.
	Probably I will be more attractive.
	Compared to now.
	Yeah.
	And you're 26, right?
	Yeah.
	So you'll be more attractive at 36 than you are now at 26.
	I think so.
	All things being equal.
	All things being equal, as in, like, not working out or everything.
	Everything stays the same.
	We just other than your physical age.
	Well, then I would look the same.
	No, your physical age.
	You would look different because you've aged, but everything else stays the same.
	I don't know.
	That's a hard question.
	But I mean, objectively, probably not.
	Okay.
	I feel like I would look better now than I will in 10 years.
	All right.
	There you go.
	There you go.
	I would look better in 10 years.
	You're going to look.
	Hold on.
	And I said that.
	All things being equal.
	You're going to look better in 10 years, okay?
	I'm going to say better in 10 years.
	There's also two reasons why.
	Surgery, which changed physical.
	And then also, there is a whole thing.
	Okay.
	All things being equal.
	So let's say the surgery gets surgery now.
	You can get the surgery now and then the surgery, just whatever the improvements of the surgery are, they maintain throughout time.
	Okay, then it would be, I guess, older?
	Yeah.
	The only thing that changes is your age.
	Nothing else changes.
	So the effects of aging are the only thing that takes place.
	And I guess better now then?
	Yeah.
	Wait, so okay, really quick going back to you.
	So you're 23 right now.
	You're saying you'll be more physically attractive at 33 than you are now at 23.
	Yes.
	And then it sounds like you changed your answer begrudgingly.
	Because there's this whole Gen Z and there's this whole Gen Z and millennials, which have been looked at, like you could even look it up online.
	Why do millennials age better than Gen Z right now?
	A lot of the younger.
	This has been a whole.
	It's reversed, actually.
	Millennials age worse.
	No, yeah, because there's that one.
	What's his name?
	He's like Jordan the Stallion.
	That's it.
	He talks about this because there was like people kept saying, why do millennials look so old?
	And he looks like he's like 36 and he's like 26.
	And because he's commenting on this phenomenon where millennials just seem to look older.
	Well, what she's referencing is a lot of Gen Z, as of right now, they don't look bad because they're still young, but they look significantly older at that age than millennials did.
	So how aging works, if they already look a lot older, like I see a lot of 20-year-olds who look older than 30-year-olds a lot more now than before.
	So when they are 30, they're going to look 40.
	So she's saying that Gen Z is aging a lot worse because they're not going to be a little bit more.
	Same with millennials.
	I thought she said it was the other way around.
	Like they're older, but they look younger.
	That's what she was saying.
	I think the women look older.
	Exactly.
	That's what I'm saying.
	Yeah, yeah.
	We agree.
	Women look older, but men look a lot younger.
	It depends.
	It depends.
	Because of surgery and still, anyway, continue to get this totally irrelevant.
	We're getting off topic.
	Okay.
	I think I'll look better now than later in life.
	Okay.
	Going around the table once more, for those of you who said better in 10 years, let's double down on this.
	Better looking in 20 years versus compared to now.
	All things being equal.
	I definitely know.
	No, I'm going to go with 34 is the best.
	Okay, so you will be better looking in 10 years, but not in 20.
	Did you say better in 10?
	No.
	No.
	Oh, you said better now?
	Yeah.
	Did you?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	You said better in 10 years, correct?
	Yes, if I recall.
	I think that's a good thing.
	Begrudgingly, I said no.
	You conceded?
	Yeah.
	Okay, so I'm assuming you would also, in 20 years, you will not be more physically attractive than you are now.
	Better now.
	Better now?
	But you did say you will be better.
	No, I said I was better now.
	Even for the 10-year?
	Yes, I think I'm.
	You did?
	Yeah.
	Are people just changing?
	No, that's what I said.
	No, she said, like...
	Oh, she did?
	Oh, you're right.
	You're right.
	Sorry, there's a lot of people.
	So you're 23.
	You said you will be better looking at 33.
	What about 43?
	No.
	Okay.
	She said older, definitely not for the higher age mark there.
	Okay.
	That was a doozy.
	Jesus.
	That was a doozy.
	Beating a dead horse.
	Oh, man.
	Hypotheticals and these questions are very hard.
	So I guess kind of the thought behind asking this question in particular is if you are at your most attractive in your 20s, that is your highest potential to find yourself a good mate.
	So for those who want to get married, for those who want to eventually settle down with a man, it is your best chance to find the most attractive guy, one, but also the most like most attractive guy personality-wise as well.
	So, you're using the assets that God has given you at like ages 19 to 22 to secure yourself the best man possible.
	I mean, if we're speaking simply pragmatically.
	Now, of course, you probably, I don't know, some girls will get a really high-quality man in their 30s, but that's the exception rather than the rule.
	Why would I want a man who's going to find me unattractive in 10 years?
	Well, no, okay, I'm not saying he's going to find you unattractive.
	I'm just saying killer of cereal donated $200.
	Plastic surgery makes you look physically ill later in life.
	It doesn't keep up with the rest of your aging body.
	The more you have, the worse it looks the older you get.
	Especially with clothes off.
	Fucking go-based fucking take from Killer of Cereal.
	I'm a natural body supremacist.
	Get the frick out of here with your plastic surgery.
	You converted me last episode.
	I am also a natural body suggested.
	He's a natural body supremacist.
	We're fucking radicals here.
	We are.
	This is a fucking supremacist.
	Like, if we came into power, like me and Mason, we're going to run for office.
	We're going to be, like, probably president of the U.S. or something.
	Like, yeah, we're going to literally federal ban on fucking plastic surgery.
	Federal ban.
	Federal ban.
	Federal ban on the banana.
	That is the platform we want to end up with.
	I feel like the beauty standards are not a good thing.
	What's that?
	I feel like the beauty standards depend on like people, like they, like beauty standards are like Kylie Jenner, and she has so many, like, so much plastic surgery.
	Like, I think that's just for like women's own perception of the beauty thing.
	Men don't find that stuff attractive.
	Yeah.
	Honestly, most guys find it kind of repulsive.
	I gotta agree with that.
	Some men love it.
	Yeah.
	But it's also like if you don't need it, like then you're like, I don't know, some girls aren't naturally like born with like features that without plastic surgery that you guys like.
	Most guys actually like would prefer the natural look over double down.
	Let me give you the list.
	But you wouldn't say that about like some ugly girl with like some like their thing is though they wouldn't like the ugly girl regardless.
	They wouldn't like that ugly girl if she went and got like augmentations.
	Yeah that's the difference.
	There might be some men out there like sure a lot of them are in LA and stuff like that who love that fake plasticky look.
	That's what they want.
	But I don't find it attractive.
	The average man doesn't want that.
	There is something like I tend to say that, well, the guys who are into that super plastic look are weird.
	And I think I'm right.
	Yeah.
	But like I don't know if this is a great argument here, but Jeff Bezos, the woman he's dating, is like super plastic.
	Face all done up, lips, fake boobs.
	She's old.
	She is older.
	But like, and so, but I was thinking, like, damn, this is like one of the wealthiest.
	I don't know if he is currently the wealthiest, but one of the wealthiest men in the world.
	Billionaire many times over.
	And I'm like, that's who you're.
	I mean, bro, you could do better.
	He doesn't want wife.
	He wants a wristwatch.
	He wants to like Jeff Bezos.
	Look, you like what you like.
	You know what I mean?
	Dude, he's always like himself.
	Some do, but they're that's what he's doing.
	I agree though.
	Like, I'll say this.
	I'll say this.
	So because I'm a natural body supremacist, I would prefer a girl.
	Let's talk, let's talk breast implants, right?
	I'd prefer a girl who's got no boobs, just flat over some fake titties.
	She could have perfect fake titties.
	I'd prefer her with just no boobs.
	If they're lopsided, if there's some other sort of whatever.
	I prefer that over fake titties.
	Let's see.
	Lipo.
	I'd prefer a little belly fat over the weird lipo belly.
	It like looks all dehydrated and fucked up.
	I don't know.
	It just looks weird.
	Like there's something to the skin.
	It doesn't look right.
	Let's see what else.
	BBL, give me a flat bum over a BBL, perfect BBL.
	Don't give a fuck.
	Flat bum.
	I'll take a flat bum.
	It can even be pancakes.
	I'd prefer pancakes.
	What's the thing about acid?
	You can go to the gym.
	You can work on the booty.
	You can work on the booty.
	Let's see.
	What else?
	Oh, lip filler.
	I'd prefer flat lip or not flat lip.
	Small.
	Small upper lip than the lip filler.
	I don't know, also labia plasty.
	Yeah.
	I also call into question, like, wait, who, you, did you want to come in on something?
	Or sorry, one of you, go ahead.
	Like, for like a female, though, like, if that's what you like and you're insecure about something and a little bit of filler is going to help that, or that's going to make you happy, then I don't think there's anything wrong with that.
	What do you mean?
	We should encourage you to do that.
	What do you mean anything?
	I'm not encouraging it.
	I'm not encouraging it, but I don't know.
	I think you have one life, and if you...
	Wait, do you have lip filler?
	No.
	No.
	I don't.
	What do you think?
	It looks like you do.
	You look like you do.
	It really does.
	I think it.
	I mean, it looks like she could, but it looks like natural.
	Like, I couldn't tell it doesn't look fake, you know?
	I don't.
	But I don't like the lip filler.
	I don't think there's anything if it's natural or not.
	You don't think there's anything wrong with it?
	No, if that's what you like, then go ahead and do it.
	That's what makes you happy.
	I think there's nothing wrong with it with doing at a young age.
	The change lip filler does is fairly minimal compared to other procedures like BBL and breast implants.
	It's far less invasive.
	I think from the front, it doesn't look terrible from the side.
	It's like you could tell.
	It just doesn't look right.
	You could see it.
	I mean, some people do minimal, but then the girls who go overboard with it, overboard human, what's that?
	That shit looks weird.
	But you think there's nothing wrong with it?
	No.
	It's like that's your body.
	If that's what you want to do with it and that's what's going to make you happy, go for it.
	And this is why me and Mason are reintroducing the patriarchy to society.
	Okay.
	See, because we as men, you guys want us to be protectors.
	Yes.
	You guys want it.
	And so we need to protect women not just from immediate physical threats, but we need to protect you of threats of mind.
	Currently, and currently, there's an attack on women's minds and men's minds in different ways.
	There's an attack on your minds.
	You're getting, they're implanting the virus into your brain.
	You're not worthy or you're not attractive if you don't get this procedure.
	And this is, here's Kylie Jenner.
	Here's Kim Kardashian.
	If you don't look like her, then there's something wrong with you.
	Buy this product, waste your money, be a good consumer, go under the knife, risk potential life and limb.
	Because, bro, whenever you go under anesthesia, there's always a chance of death.
	You can always die whenever there's anesthesia involved.
	You're getting surgery, spending thousands of dollars to cut up your body, put plastic in it, and I'm against it.
	I'm standing up.
	We're done.
	We're done with this.
	Wait, Brian.
	Do you want to do what makes you happy with that?
	Brian, where do you stand?
	Do you consider this plastic?
	Where do you stand with gastric bypass surgery?
	Since technically the body is natural.
	It's surgery, but it's not considered plastics.
	Well, it is plastic surgery, but it's a different form.
	You're cutting your stomach.
	But your body, once you lose that fat, you're technically not plastic.
	You'll look natural.
	I mean, isn't that reserved for people who are morbidly obese?
	I'm not necessarily.
	I'm not.
	Have you had the procedure?
	I actually just got to prove for it.
	So, I mean, so that's not plastic surgery.
	That's not the same thing at all.
	But I don't think that's really within the realm of what we're talking about.
	It's still changing your body, though.
	Still surgery.
	Because I think it's medical.
	If you need to get a liver.
	It's like the same thing as saying you need a skin craft because you got burned or something.
	That's plastic surgery.
	It's not exactly the same thing.
	It's medical.
	It's medical-induced plastic surgery.
	It's because you want to lose weight instead of like doing it cheating and doing it the easy way.
	It's like people still consider it cheating.
	Not really.
	I mean, it's like you're taking your health seriously.
	You're going to shed that weight and it makes it easy.
	The process is made easier by making your stomach smaller so then you can't take as much food in.
	Are you guys talking about a here?
	Let's stick it.
	Let's stay on topic.
	That's not exactly passive surgery.
	That's like a different realm.
	Yeah, go ahead.
	I agree with him.
	Sorry.
	Wait, quick, go ahead, go ahead.
	Would you think the same thing for people that go get filler for acne scars?
	Or would you consider that kind of in the realm of a gas?
	I can't even say that word.
	Gastric gastric bypass.
	That is a tricky one.
	I mean, I'm not familiar.
	Is that a new development or something?
	It's not.
	It is correcting for something that was caused.
	I guess, like, what would it be?
	No, when it's not permanent, what happens?
	Same thing with lip filler.
	Lip filler, after a while, it dissolves.
	It doesn't dissolve, it migrates.
	Yeah, and it migrates.
	That's what I was going to say.
	So would it look the same before and after?
	Everybody's different.
	I've seen people who their scars worsen after because it deepens them.
	I think we're.
	So we're not going to be able to do that.
	I view that as a chemical peel.
	The primary argument here is in my opinion.
	Yeah, yeah, I'll get you into it.
	I mean, there's, look, there are these sort of more plausibly medically indicated justifications for cosmetic or plastic surgery.
	I mean, the origin of plastic surgery was for fixing deformities or war injuries where men got half their face blasted off.
	I don't object to cosmetic or plastic surgery under those circumstances where there's some deformity or cleft lip or whatever and they fix the lip or cleft lip.
	Is that what it's called?
	That's fine.
	That's fine.
	But when we're, there's really no medically indicated reason to get silicone implanted in your breasts because you don't like the size of your breasts.
	What about this, right?
	And yes, oh, what if she has breast cancer?
	Fine.
	If I give you that, if I give you fine, if they have breast cancer, they had breast removal, whatever.
	Fine.
	What if she births you three beautiful triplets, breastfeeds them for two years, has another kid, breastfeeds that one for two years.
	She got, you know, they messed her up.
	Blue skin.
	That's kind of where I'm like, I would understand if she'd want to get those fixed.
	Like, that's like you were nourishing the child, which in exchange ruined part of your body.
	Sure.
	I feel like that's fair, too.
	I would have to look more into the safety profile of getting that amount of skin removed if it's safe.
	Then I don't think I would have to remember that.
	But I think most of the time, they don't even do that.
	I don't think I would have projections.
	You keep introducing these kind of things.
	Not really what I'm saying.
	No, I just wanted your opinion on that one.
	Like, actually, as a man, like, if you guys are opposed to plastic surgery, would you still be opposed to something like that?
	I don't think so.
	I don't think so.
	But again, my primary thing is with the BBL, the lipo, the lip filler, breast implants.
	These are not really ever medically indicated.
	I would say, like, if it's uncomfortable for my wife to have like sagging breasts, then, yeah, like, I don't want her to be uncomfortable, but it's more the personality issue or like how they see themselves.
	If they see themselves so poorly, like, I have to change all this stuff.
	I hope I would have noticed that while I was dating them because I don't want to date somebody who is constantly like, I don't measure up to some arbitrary standard.
	I think you're beautiful.
	I'm dating you because I think you're beautiful.
	You don't need to change anything.
	I find you hot.
	Like, that should be, and they shouldn't have to have a boyfriend to tell them that.
	They should be like, I love the way God made me.
	made me intentionally this way.
	Maybe there are a couple like medical things they want.
	That's not how he made her though.
	Like that's why it's kind of like reconstruction in my eyes.
	Because if she had nice perky, you know, and then teach the kids, what if she just wants her nice little perky bitties back?
	Tate, you had something?
	Yeah, because she was saying something about like lip filler and all that stuff.
	It's okay.
	What about the girls who get it and they still don't love themselves?
	I see so many girls online crying about their BBLs, botched their boobs.
	DC Fly's wife passed away, left three kids behind.
	You know how dangerous that is?
	All because you wanted a boob job.
	Like I get it, love yourself, things like that.
	I wear makeup.
	I don't want to be a hypocrite, but I think that altering that to a point where you're under anesthesia and all that over what a nose.
	And like there's some women who have beautiful ethnic noses and they chop them off to have this little who knows from the Grinch.
	Why?
	And you're beautiful.
	Like, you know what I mean?
	Don't alter yourself.
	If you don't have lips, you don't got them.
	You have other things that matter.
	Like, I might not have the best body, but I might have a good personality.
	You might have something else.
	I feel like women don't understand.
	There's more to offer than just your looks.
	That's what I think he's probably getting at.
	And surgery is not important.
	Yeah, it really is.
	Surgery, yeah, that's a great point.
	Surgery doesn't usually fix the problem in the mind of a woman.
	It usually like odds.
	It amplifies the problem.
	Yeah.
	That's why they go too far a lot of the time.
	Exactly.
	Sometimes Botox doesn't even look good.
	Botox is the hardest, the harder one to read.
	But the fillers, it really is.
	The fillers, I'm excited to see what everyone's going to look like in about 20 years.
	I am.
	They look great now, but I'm 20 years when you just keep adding and adding and for real.
	Just get in the gym.
	That's the truth.
	Like, if you really want to improve your physical look, get in there.
	Confidence in general.
	Yeah, confidence in general, your ability to stay disciplined, it improves yourself as a human being.
	You feel confident.
	Lift heavy weights twice a week.
	Do some cardio.
	Like, it's not that difficult.
	It is hard sometimes to get in the gym, but just get in there and do something.
	You'll fall in love with your body and its ability and all the work that you do.
	It is so awesome.
	Yeah.
	We have two chats here.
	We have, hey, thank you for the message.
	Hold up.
	Why are we discussing attractiveness when half the girls are OF blank, one of them XL and a virgin Bible chat?
	Damn, where has society come to?
	Okay.
	Why are we discussing?
	Okay.
	Appreciate it.
	I don't see how any of that for you.
	Oh, yeah.
	Send through your Instagram.
	Let's see.
	She wants to see you.
	She wants to see you.
	All right.
	We have deplorable dude.
	Kiara, can you read this?
	Erroneous purple hair.
	Erroneous.
	Purple hair, five.
	Kiko's crazy self, two.
	Sexy moron, seven.
	Young crystal gal, six.
	Wish.com Kendall six.
	Red hair, five.
	Bridget from Trolls, three.
	Mason, 8.5.
	Oh, thank you.
	Mike Tyson in the wig, too.
	That's how you are.
	I'm so sorry.
	If you are a man, if that was a man who left that comment, you are gay as hell, my boy.
	You just rated a man the highest at a table of all women.
	Let's go.
	It's fine to have your opinions, but first of all, my boyfriend wouldn't even fix his lips to rate another man, first of all.
	Second of all, to pick a man as the highest.
	I mean, have your preferences, but like I said, it's a preference.
	It's opinion and it's a preference, and you prefer men, in my opinion.
	That was a bit homophobic.
	Oh, no.
	I want him to be who he is.
	I want him to tweak his tree stuff.
	He is here like tipping a man.
	There you go.
	You're paying a man's bills.
	You're complimenting men.
	Well, what are you?
	You're one step away from being PD.
	Wait, guys, go to twitch.tv.
	Where's me?
	Wait, one step away from what?
	Yikes.
	Okay.
	Guys, twitch.tv/slash whatever.
	Drop us a follow.
	Drop us a prime sub if you're watching over there.
	If you're watching on YouTube, open up another tab.
	Twitch.tv/slash whatever mods.
	If you can spam in the chat, it's also in the description.
	Drop us a follow in the Prime Sub if you have one.
	And we have, let me shout out a couple of you guys out.
	Vex, thank for the follow, fresh, thank for the follow, the terror, thing for the prime, Bronco, thing for the prime.
	Wonder, thing for the gifted, or yeah, one Folster, thing for the prime, Mara, Catherine, thing for the prime.
	Dogs, butler, thing for the follow, Baz, thing for the follow, scared of the public toilets.
	Oh, nice, nice, thing for the prime.
	Morocco, thank you for the follow, thank you for the follows, guys.
	Really appreciate it.
	All right, let's go, Morocco.
	Let's go, Morocco.
	Yes, and it's okay.
	Actually, wait, guys, we have Eclipse channel.
	We're trying to get to 1 million, guys.
	We're so close.
	We're what?
	25k away.
	Get us to 1 million.
	We're so close.
	Get us to the, let us help us hit the milestone.
	All right.
	Cool.
	Thank you guys.
	Appreciate it.
	Oh, and like the video, guys.
	Like the video while you are at it.
	One thing I forgot to ask at the beginning of the show.
	Some of you have maybe seen the show before.
	I like to, I should have started here.
	Is there anything any of you disagree with on with me on anything?
	Maybe you've seen something on the show.
	Is there anything that any of you disagree with me on?
	On anything?
	About everything.
	There's something you disagree with me on.
	Oh, that's right.
	Let's pull up your tweets.
	Let's pull up your tweets.
	That's right.
	We pulled this up a while ago.
	Nick, could you pull up the tweets?
	Angela, though?
	Yeah.
	Make it bigger, please.
	Oh, that wasn't the tweet, but okay.
	Well, that's fine.
	get to it so fyi for every hoe out there is a man that either actually won't in your own voice we'll have you read it yes FYI, for every whore out there, is a man that either failed her or gave her a platform to be a whore.
	Hot table?
	Hold on, we'll get to that stuff.
	PR, can you read that?
	Kookie, how do you know it's not a woman trapped in a man's body?
	Let's talk and get another rage quit.
	What was the blinked out?
	I can't even, like, usually I can just like put two inches.
	Trans.
	That's what's.
	Oh, let's talk trans about it.
	Kookie, how do you know it's not a woman trapped in a man's body?
	What are you referring to?
	The guy who's rating people and you're like, you're, I think so, right?
	How do I know it's not a woman trapped in a man's body?
	The guy, because you said he was still gay.
	Rainbow, because he's now a trans gay man.
	Like, what are we talking about?
	That changes absolutely nothing.
	Maybe we'll.
	Thank you for your $100 million.
	Maybe we'll hit on that topic later.
	Chase is a hero, though.
	It's not right without Chase.
	Well, we'll try to do round two on that.
	If you want to see, guys, if you want to see round three, Chase versus Kiko, the trilogy, the final show down, fucking spam his DMs to make it happen.
	Kiko's down.
	I know that's a good question.
	Let's pull back up the Twitter, please.
	Oh, no, actually, well, you already read it.
	Excuse me.
	So, actually, just let me pull it.
	Okay, his man.
	So wait, but why all the blame on the guys?
	Why the blame on the men?
	No, and I think both parties are equally bad.
	That tweet was in response to the manosphere putting the blame on the women, particularly.
	And I think women that do OF and work in the sex industry and stuff, they're, you know, it's unfortunate, you know, but they're doing what they feel they need to do to make money in society.
	And at the end of the day, you know, you have men going around, oh, whore this, whore that.
	You're a whore for doing it.
	And there's that opinion, you know, or maybe more so coming from a place of like, okay, women that do OF or sex work, like, they're ruining society, right?
	Like, they get a lot of blame for ruining society in the manosphere.
	We're talking extremes here.
	Really red pill men that are on Twitter and whatnot have this idea that women are the ones ruining society because of doing things like OF and whatnot.
	That tweet was more in rebuttal of like, maybe look in the mirror a little bit as a man or as the man species and realize that a lot of OF women had an absent father or they have some simp giving them the money allowing them to do this line of work.
	I mean, there is a component of supply and demand, obviously.
	So if there was no demand for this sort of thing, well, why would women do it?
	So, I mean, I think that I agree with you that there's certainly both men and women have some accountability here, responsibility.
	It's the industry's fault.
	Men should stop paying for OF and consume less or no porn.
	Yes.
	I think OnlyFans should get banned and abolished.
	Well, hold on.
	We have three OnlyFans girls here.
	What do you guys think?
	I'm sure they could figure it out.
	Get a job.
	Get away, Joe.
	Hold on.
	This shit's ridiculous.
	Kiko wants to see you guys on the street.
	They need to be on the street.
	She wants to be homeless, so it's okay, I guess.
	She has a whole fiancé, so I figured out.
	My fiance is a lot of fun.
	Okay, that's fine.
	He went homeless on purpose before.
	Okay.
	I mean, he was rich, and then he decided he didn't want to be rich.
	Totally unrelated to what we're talking about, but okay.
	Well, I'm just saying.
	What's the question?
	What are you pointing at me for?
	How do you feel?
	OnlyFans should not be banned.
	She wants to ban OnlyFans.
	Kiko's a radical red pillar.
	I'm not.
	I'm making it.
	I used to.
	This is the thing.
	It doesn't take a red pill to not be for all of them.
	Kiko is a misogynist, and she's an anti-fans.
	She hates women.
	She hates women.
	She wants to stop.
	She's 180.
	She wants to stop sex work.
	How do you feel about that?
	If you watch the original video, they've always said this.
	And Aurora.
	I disagree.
	I'm making more money than I was when I was working like a normal job.
	And of course you want to work on that.
	That's not the question here.
	That'd be sad if you weren't making a lot of money.
	Wait, did you ever worked a normal job before?
	What did you do?
	I worked at Jersey Mike's.
	I worked at Jersey.
	We're only 9 to 18.
	That's exactly why we're saying it should be abolished.
	It's giving too many.
	Her wifey score kind of went up, though, because she's good at making sandwiches.
	Yeah, honestly.
	Her wifey score.
	I do love me some Jersey Mics, I will admit.
	Put a ring on her, right?
	That's exactly why I said it to be abolished.
	You were 19.
	You're 19.
	You're 18.
	Barely gave, I gave it a shot.
	I worked at Jersey Mics.
	That's nothing.
	You have tainted your whole career path by doing this OnlyFans.
	Yes, you're making a lot of money right now, but you could do a lot of...
	I know these servers walk out with $600 a night from my restaurant on a mad night.
	I never had nights.
	OnlyFans doesn't get taken down and banned or whatever.
	Wait, you know what?
	We're going to actually move on because we already talked about that.
	Not abolishing it.
	Next tweet.
	Okay.
	Oh, wait.
	Publicly shaming.
	I'll have you read it.
	Okay.
	Publicly shaming whores to fix society?
	Sure, sounds good.
	While we're at it, let's check your browser history and publicly shame any man that gives them a platform.
	When you say give them a platform, like what do you mean?
	Like the guys who...
	Right.
	Wait, haven't we checked their browser history of the people that are like tipping on here talking shit?
	They're not going to be able to do it.
	They're going to delete it for a while.
	I don't think she means literally.
	Let's PC check them.
	It's again, it's the same exact thing with my other tweet in retaliation of the manosphere and the red pill blaming only women for the downfall of sexual degeneracy and a lot of things that are happening in society when these same men that are sitting here critically on the internet probably have OF subscriptions and have porn in their browser history.
	I guarantee a lot of men in the manosphere in the red pill community, especially one that are very centered on hating women, do the exact thing that they hate, which is view pornography.
	Although I do wonder, like, can you view pornography, but also realize that it's not good for society?
	Absolutely.
	I know.
	Perhaps, is it like someone who's a little bit more?
	I'm not sure if it is.
	Someone who's addicted to crack cocaine can intellectually know that it's not good for society and still be addicted to crack cocaine.
	That's true.
	Yeah.
	Right.
	Well, we'll move on.
	Next, next, I think this is the tweet, maybe the one that I reacted to.
	Okay.
	Oh, wait, scroll up.
	Scroll up.
	No, no.
	No, just scroll up.
	Because there's the initial.
	Put us on the other side, please.
	Small.
	If you want to read it, go ahead.
	Okay.
	The truth is, men don't want a soft, feminine, quiet woman.
	They want a bold, competent, dominant woman who will be feminine and submissive for him.
	Just like how women want the bad boy trope to be good for her.
	And then you said men who agree.
	Are alpha masculine Chads and men who disagree are beta insulin internet anons.
	And I'm not, I didn't put that secondary tweet there to just like, oh, like, screw everyone.
	I, I put that because of, as you can see, I got almost 400 replies on that tweet.
	And just from what I could, my own objective analyzation of the people that were responding to me, I had a lot of anonymous men hating on me, which probably if you're anonymous like that, you're an incel.
	And I had men that had normal, non-anonymous profiles that agreed with me.
	Men that worked out, were fit.
	I mean, I don't know about their character as a person, but that was just because I know that second part kind of perturbed you a little bit.
	No, well, you mean your reply?
	Yeah.
	Not, well, pull it back up really quick.
	And this is where we disagree.
	So I guess I'm a beta incel internet anon, but tab on over.
	So this is this is what I responded.
	Scroll up a little bit.
	Scroll up.
	Or here, I can't read it though, so just scroll down a little bit.
	Or put us in the corner.
	Okay.
	In the corner, the corner works.
	The corner works.
	Can I just scroll the second one?
	Okay.
	The truth is, so this is me almost.
	Just hide it.
	Just hide it, please.
	Okay, the truth is women don't want a strong, masculine, bold man.
	They want a soft, feminine, submissive man who will be masculine and dominant for her.
	So that's where I disagree with you because you're saying the truth is men don't want a soft, feminine, quiet woman.
	They want bold, competent, dominant women who will be feminine and submissive for him.
	But like if I use your own language, like your same formatting, and I reverse it, would you agree with my statement?
	Is the truth is women don't want a strong, masculine, bold man.
	They want a soft, feminine, submissive man who will be masculine and dominant for her.
	Absolutely not.
	That completely misconstrues my whole point of what my original tweet was.
	But I'm literally flipping.
	But women and men are not equal, right?
	So you can't necessarily negate what I said in terms of men and women's interactions and perspectives and our psychology.
	It's not the same.
	So to flip it in the same manner and apply what you said to women for men is just not the same because men and women have different psychology.
	Well, essentially what you said is you want, men want a woman who's dominant, like in the world, and then but they want her to be submissive to them.
	Yes.
	No, that's just not true.
	No, I agree.
	It is true.
	It is true.
	And I'm like, I don't want a comparison.
	There is a lot of men, like you, you didn't agree with me.
	And I think that's because cerebrally, a lot of men get caught up on the first part of my tweet, which is men don't want a soft feminine woman.
	And that's a very generalized blanket statement that I agree is a generalized blanket statement.
	But cerebrally, men think, oh yeah, soft feminine woman, that's what I want, you know?
	But as humans.
	Nickelodeon donated $200.
	Women can't handle being wrong unless 2% of the people that agree with them are saying what they want to hear to hate, fuck them, or has a fake profile picture.
	Anyways.
	You were saying, as, thank you, Nickelodeon.
	You're saying as humans.
	As humans, right?
	We're complex creatures.
	We're mind, body, and soul, spirit.
	So we have our cerebral mind, we have our primal urges as our body, and we have our soul and spirit urges.
	And men, cerebrally, maybe they'll be like, yeah, I want a soft feminine woman, but there's something primal about an alpha female that really gets a man like going.
	Erroneous!
	Erroneous.
	I do think it is like, okay, so when you brought up the tweet on the podcast, your co-host or whatever, he said, I agree with that in the sense of conquer, right?
	There's.
	Who said that?
	The CEO, the watch CEO guy.
	Disavow.
	I disavow his.
	As men, no, but as men, you're a leader, right?
	You go out into the world and you're conquer.
	You're going to build yourself up and, you know, X, Y, and Z.
	That same principle can be applied to women.
	And say back in the caveman days, do you want a soft feminine woman waiting back at you at the cave while a lion's attacking her and your baby while you're out getting the bison?
	Or do you want a confident alpha woman that's going to be able to fend for your maiden?
	No, no, no.
	Wait, I think you're a little confused on competence versus dominance.
	I want a competent woman.
	I do not want a dominant woman.
	I want a woman who knows her stuff, what she believes in, what she knows is true.
	I don't want a woman who is like super masculine in her attributes, super dominant, super like I'm alpha.
	It's like a turnoff.
	No, I want a competent woman.
	I want a woman who's intelligent, who knows what she's doing, but I also want a soft feminine woman.
	You can be competent and soft at the same time.
	Absolutely.
	She should be soft and feminine for you.
	But wait, so hold on.
	So should a man say that?
	And I don't think your woman should be agreeable to you, but do you want your woman being agreeable with every man?
	Exactly.
	She just wants to go soft and woman.
	Well, so that's why I think it's like it's a that would mean that she's incompetent, because then because then she's a pushover, then she'll talk.
	Men say, when they say soft, feminine woman, that's what she's trying to get or bringing up from something.
	From the very beginning you guys said you wanted a woman that would come to you first.
	Is that not a soft sweet, feminine woman?
	Exactly, exactly.
	I've talked to so many women that will not go and approach a guy because they don't like that stuff.
	They think it's like she just said it's masculine to do that right, and she's soft and sweet.
	Maybe it's because they want to be dominant, what domination.
	I feel like that would be the opposite.
	That would be the complete opposite.
	I don't know.
	I I don't know these.
	These are not contradictory positions to hold.
	To say, in some instances it's desirable for a woman to take initiative and I think we already made the caveat that women can absolutely take initiative in a in a feminine way.
	Hold on $200.
	It's 100% woman's fault.
	Women decide intercourse.
	Therefore, you bear the responsibility.
	You have a clock.
	Therefore, you must choose wisely.
	Your virtue signaling is pathetic.
	You want autonomy.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Disagree.
	Yo, Alvin Sam, good to see you in the chat, man.
	Much appreciated.
	I mean, women do control access to sex.
	So, I mean, I think a greater responsibility falls on women when it comes to that.
	But we are, that's going back to our previous conversation, but do you want to respond?
	Yeah, I'd argue that, because I had somebody try to say that to me on Twitter, and I would say, you know, that a lot of women, maybe the way that they conduct themselves in society, not that I agree with it, but could come from generations of trauma that came from men.
	And going back to women being the ones that get to say whether you have access or not, that wasn't the case.
	Just in some countries, that's not the case now.
	And just not even that long ago, that wasn't the case.
	Talking about like generational trauma and the effects that it has on women today, when the man, the father, was the one that chose the husband.
	So, you know, women conducting themselves in society now is from years and generations of trauma from men.
	And you say we're the ones that picked our partner, but in some countries today and not even that long ago, it was the father who picked the partner for the daughter.
	Well, they're not going to be aware of that.
	And you're saying that's generational trauma?
	Which they're beautiful because they'll say men are the gatekeepers to relationships and women are the gatekeepers to sex.
	That's what their whole ideology is.
	So their point is, yes, men pick who they're going to be in a relationship with, but women are in control of just like casual intercourse.
	Wait, so, okay, your argument is, like, are you talking about arranged marriages?
	Yeah, so, like, the argument that women have control over, like, so we're the ones at fault, right?
	We're the ones at fault because we are the ones that have control over whether we allow a man to have access to our body or not.
	Okay, I mean, if you want to talk about historical mating practices, we can, but I mean, arranged marriages have been predominantly done away with in the West.
	Yeah.
	So I don't know how to talk about what's going on in India right now.
	I don't care.
	Don't know.
	It's irrelevant to the conversation at hand.
	To be fair to those.
	Generational trauma, though?
	I don't know.
	To be fair to those arranged marriage societies, they seem to have a better, I guess, their divorce rate is a lot better than all of the people.
	They're also extremely misogynistic.
	They're very, very abusive.
	I'm not a feminist.
	I don't like to use the word misogynist, but those countries are really bad.
	We're talking genital mutilation.
	We're talking really crazy stuff.
	Okay.
	So aside from like some men who are extremely abusive, the outlook in the Western society to see a marriage as just like a, it's you like it until you don't like it, until you're not happy, and then you can get out.
	That's actually extremely destructive to your own personal growth, the other person's personal growth.
	So in the society where it's not, it's like extremely taboo to divorce.
	So, I mean, it's, it keeps, it protects people from experiencing divorce in those countries because when you kind of put two people in a pressure cooker, you're not allowed to leave.
	You are forced to figure this out.
	Now, certain men will take advantage of that.
	And to those men, I do not like those men.
	I mean, I would choose that they be punished.
	I mean, there needs to be something done about those men.
	Agreed.
	But majority speaking, in those countries, that's not the case.
	It is the case majority.
	Actually, I mean, I come from one of those countries.
	I lived in Morocco for my high school years.
	And most of the families that I met, most of the couples that I met who were arranged marriages, forced to be married, initially, they were extremely like, I've never even met this woman.
	I got married to them.
	But now it's like, I can't see my life without this person because they were forced to keep that marriage.
	Arranged marriages tend to last longer and report higher satisfaction.
	So do not knock it until you try it.
	Feminism has failed you.
	The patriarchy stands ready to help.
	Choose wisely and be better.
	Well, yeah, I totally agree.
	It does have, there are higher satisfactions in arranged marriages.
	Now, I'm not saying I'm a proponent of let's bring back the arranged marriage, but there is something to it.
	Like there's an element in there that is important.
	What is that element?
	It's the element of I cannot leave this.
	You could have that without arrangement.
	Well, we don't have that.
	We don't have those enforcement mechanisms in place right now.
	Actually, there are incentives to get divorced now.
	So like if we had punishments, if we had negative, maybe not punishments, but negative effects, there would be less likelihood of people vying for or opting for a divorce.
	No, yeah, I agree.
	I mean, I think people definitely think divorce is the easy way out.
	Exactly.
	It's the worst nightmare.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Me too.
	Having kids and then getting divorced.
	100%.
	So going back to your original statement, though, Nick, if you pull it up really quick.
	So your original statement was, the truth is men don't want a soft, feminine, quiet woman.
	They want a bold, competent, dominant woman who will be feminine and submissive for him.
	Well.
	How can, okay.
	They want, how can you both be bold, competent, and dominant, but also be feminine and submissive?
	I think I do it.
	I think I do it too.
	You guys would categorize me as bold and all that stuff, but with my boyfriend, I right.
	He's right.
	Like, I don't want to do it.
	But so these are just contradictory statements.
	You say they don't want a soft, feminine, quiet woman, but they want one who will be feminine and submissive for him.
	So I'm a little confused.
	I think because like I was saying, like before, like a lot of men didn't agree with me, but there were some men in the comments that were like, yo, like you're reading my psychology.
	Like that's crazy.
	Like that you're speaking things that I think like and feel.
	And I think it goes back to what I was saying is cerebrally a man is gonna want is gonna think, yeah, I want a nice soft feminine woman, but there's something primal in him that, you know, your subconscious, it doesn't connect.
	Your primal subconscious isn't connected to your conscious and your cerebral mind unless you force it to be connected.
	And a lot of men are living in like sexual like like backup because they don't have those two things connected.
	They don't really know what they want.
	Maybe they want this for marriage, but they want something else in the bedroom or something.
	So yeah.
	Well, I mean, the aspect of dominance that makes a man a man is like he puts himself out there.
	He is like not extremely vocal, but he's strong in his opinions and beliefs, and he takes charge, he takes leadership.
	And we don't want that in a woman.
	Now, I will grant you, like, we want a competent woman.
	We want someone who is smart, who's able to read a situation and know how to react, how to respond, how to pull themselves away from something that's dangerous.
	That's good.
	Like, I'm not going to engage in relationships with other men when I'm not interested in them romantically.
	Like, that's protecting themselves from men that seek to gain something from them, even though they have no interest.
	I love that.
	But that's competence.
	It's not dominance.
	There's something.
	You wouldn't want an alpha female that's the alpha of the other female.
	What is an alpha female?
	What does that even mean?
	So two questions.
	What does it mean to be an alpha female?
	And how did you just even come to the initial conclusion that men want this?
	I felt it.
	Well, how you feel, how you feel.
	I've experienced it.
	Like, I feel it.
	I experience it.
	Wait, have, so when you say you felt it, you mean men have been attracted to you?
	Because, okay, so I'll throw back to like internet culture 2016.
	I was extremely, extremely political.
	I was in college back in 2016 during the election.
	I was extremely political and open about my views, my conservative views.
	Yeah.
	And that was very, it ruffled a lot of feathers like for people in my own peer group.
	But there were men that were steadfast Obama lovers and you know, Trump is literally the end of the world.
	And but I still have them in my DMs to this day.
	The lip dudes?
	Yeah.
	Well, I don't think the fact that...
	So maybe simps?
	Well, hold on.
	This would.
	But these are men, these are, like, these are not, like, these are very successful men.
	Like, these are.
	And it's something about the mere fact that I was willing to go into like a college party and talk about my views and be okay.
	What about the conservative men, though?
	I mean, I have no problem with them either.
	No, but you said that in 2016, you were outspoken with your conservative values online and all these liberal men were showing interest in you.
	No.
	Liberal men who are perhaps more feminine and they're seeking a dominant woman.
	I mean, possibly, but I had both.
	I had both.
	What I'm saying is that the things that they would tell me and the fact that we're sitting here six years later and they're still in my DMs telling me the same thing.
	Telling you what?
	That they're into you?
	What do you mean?
	What did they tell you?
	Yeah, that they'll take care of me.
	They're this text, you know, person.
	Is that because, like, how are, let's make sure we're not attributing things to things that aren't actually there.
	They're into you because you're a dominant woman?
	I mean, that's what they've said.
	Yeah.
	They've told you.
	Yeah, like they really respect that I'm, I am me unapologetically and I'm able to be myself unapologetically, whether that goes with society and what society tells you or not.
	Let me ask you a question.
	Do you think men lie to get laid?
	Yes, yes, absolutely.
	So if a woman, for example, like if I was inclined to try to bet a woman and she was a boss babe, I don't think it would help my chances for me to be like, listen, I don't give a fuck about your career.
	I don't care about your ambition.
	You think it's going to hurt my chances of getting laid?
	So here's the thing you got to remember.
	Men will lie and they'll gas you up.
	Oh, you want to do XYZ?
	Here's these things that are important to you.
	They're going to cater to you.
	They're going to, I'm trying to think of the...
	Adopt those.
	They're going to, there's a specific term for it, but it's leaving my mind.
	They're just essentially going to lie.
	Guys have never lied to you to get pussy?
	No, no, and that's a possibility.
	But at the end of the day, here we are six years later, I mean, and you're still hooked.
	Like, I think that I haven't given you a lot of money.
	I mean, it's a bit anecdotal.
	It's a bit anecdotal.
	I'm just getting at the point that I think I believe overall most men want a soft feminine, all this about a woman, but there is a healthy balance, right?
	Because a lot of people correlate a soft feminine woman to a doormat.
	And which I think is what she's saying is you don't have to be a doormat to be a soft feminine woman because you can still have your, I think dominant is the word that's striking everybody out, but like you can still be have your opinions and know who you are and have your own thoughts.
	I think that's the overall point is, yeah, I don't think.
	I would agree with that.
	I just don't categorize that as dominant.
	I think that's where it's competent, like reserved.
	And I'll tell you what I'm saying.
	When I put out this tweet, it was very random.
	I did not expect this to blow up like it did.
	It was a very spur of the moment.
	It's Twitter.
	I'm just rambling.
	Just saying shit.
	Yeah.
	So maybe my articulation wasn't fully there, but it's an experience that I can't deny that I've had in my life, being an outspoken woman.
	Well, here's the thing, right?
	Is that any woman, kind of almost regardless of how she's presenting herself, whether it's very feminine or even she's very masculine, if she's an attractive woman, and even if she's not an attractive woman, if she's even average, women are inundated with sexual options.
	The degree to which women have sexual optionality is comparative to men is wild.
	An average woman has the equivalent sexual optionality, is essentially a male celebrity.
	And so the issue there, though, is that you might confuse that sexual optionality or even romantic optionality for the potential for long-term partnership.
	And I would argue a man might be willing to.
	Was that the popcorn?
	What was that?
	Is it spilled?
	Yeah, okay.
	Well done.
	Hold on.
	Damn it.
	That's the fucking 50 DKP minus!
	What the fuck?
	What is that?
	Anyways, so, okay.
	What was I saying?
	I forgot.
	Whatever.
	Well, I mean, I've been in long-term, I've only been in long-term relationships.
	I don't do casual dating.
	So, I mean, however, the way I present myself has obviously been enough to secure long-term partnership.
	Sure, but I mean, and it's not clear to me if you are, like, do you consider yourself a dominant woman?
	Not in my relationship.
	We're assertive.
	Yeah.
	You're assertive.
	Dominant is the wrong word, I think.
	Yeah, that's what it is.
	Because I feel like I'm the same way, but in my relationship, I do not talk to men that way.
	I don't know what stuff.
	I talk to men that are not.
	I also like it.
	Going back, like, I'm very traditional.
	I want to cook for my man.
	I want to serve my man.
	I want to clean for my woman.
	Something I've also talked to one of my buddies about a lot is does a woman respect men in her life?
	So if a woman is going out of her way to respect men, then that's also super attractive.
	So it's not like the men aren't respecting her, but there's like a difference to that.
	Knowing like I'm going to treat this man with respect.
	Like I know that men are, I guess, naturally dominant, natural leaders.
	I respect that about them.
	There's something about that that's different than me.
	And then I love when a man like treats a woman differently.
	Like I'm not going to lay hands on a woman.
	I guess it depends on the scenario.
	Like if she comes at me with a knife, then maybe I have to do something about it.
	But I'm going to treat a woman differently than I would a man.
	So there is that difference.
	Let's get through the tweets.
	Yeah.
	There's more.
	Oh, gosh.
	But wait, there's more.
	Oh, my gosh.
	I was not expecting you guys really on something here.
	Good thing my Twitter got banned in 2016.
	All right.
	Men won't break up with you.
	They'll just turn extremely toxic.
	Women won't break up with you.
	They'll just find someone else.
	Agreed.
	Interesting.
	That's coming from long-term, you know, I've experienced dating.
	Okay.
	Go ahead.
	I love masculinity and I love men, but I will never blame women for the state of society.
	We should all acknowledge the need to do better on both sides, but it doesn't matter.
	At the end of the day, men lead and women follow.
	Yes.
	But you'll never blame women.
	I will sit here and have a conversation one-on-one with somebody and tell her the woes of what she's doing for society.
	But ultimately, at the end of the day, it's men's fault.
	Yeah.
	And I'm not a feminist.
	I love men.
	I love men and I respect women.
	Well, let me ask you this.
	So you're conservative, right?
	So, and I'm not advocating that we necessarily do this, but it would be the case, for example, if, and again, I'm not advocating for this.
	If we were to pull back women's ability to vote, well, conservative parties would start winning elections.
	Would you be in favor of that?
	Yeah, I think the majority of women think emotionally, and emotions don't have a place in governing society.
	So you want to repeal the 19th?
	I personally don't because I, as an individual, I like the way I vote.
	I think I vote good for society.
	So let's say there's a 40-year-old man.
	Let's say there's a 40-year-old man who's very well versed in politics.
	He has a deep understanding of various political issues.
	He researches various, you know, the positions of his local politicians, his state politicians, and his federal politicians.
	He's smart.
	He's well-researched.
	If you want men to lead, how can we lead if an 18-year-old woman who has no knowledge of politics can essentially neutralize that 40-year-old man's vote by voting for the opposite of whatever he votes for?
	I agree.
	How do you why is there any different as an 18-year-old woman versus 18-year-old man?
	I feel like both of them will have the same issues.
	Because men are more likely, like even at 18 years old, to like not vote.
	I don't know what.
	Like the wrong.
	No, Or not.
	Not vote in ways that are not like, like I said, women are just more emotional.
	They're more likely to vote for like social welfare, things that are maybe bad for the economy.
	I don't know what 18-year-old boys you were hanging out around, but the 18-year-old boys I was around, I wouldn't want them voting on these issues either.
	They were not doing their due diligence.
	Not saying that women were.
	I mean, at the end of the day, the voting age should be like 25.
	Exactly.
	I don't think this should be a gendered argument.
	I think this is an argument over the voting age is too young, if anything.
	But that it's like, pull up the tweeting.
	Don't pull up the tweeting.
	I do think we should have that right.
	So it's like at the end of the day, men lead and women follow.
	Well, one issue that I do see is that, and this is kind of even within the realm of relationships, but in order to be a leader, there has to be people who are willing to follow you.
	Because if everybody's just mutinous, not willing to follow, then you can't lead.
	Like in the dance, if somebody's the leader, they have to follow.
	If you're both trying to lead, it's fucked up.
	And so it occurs to me that even women will say they want a leader, but they're not prepared to follow.
	I think maybe the person they're following isn't respectable enough.
	Well, no, because with feminism, it's like implanted this other programming of like, don't listen to men.
	Right.
	Men are evil.
	We're at an extreme.
	We're at an extreme at this point in society, unfortunately.
	Like if I'm trying to think of an example here, but like I remember I was dating this girl a long time ago and I was like, I was sick or something and I've been dating her for months.
	And I was like, hey, can you make me some food or something?
	Politely.
	I was like, hey, I'm not feeling good.
	Can you go make me some food?
	Even when I was sick, and she's like, kind of like the feminist gears were turning.
	Like, should I do this labor for my boyfriend?
	Like he's asked, and like that's that's how it is a lot of time.
	Perhaps.
	Perhaps, I don't know.
	That is not a woman that is willing to serve her man.
	That is not.
	Yeah.
	I mean, if she was a woman willing to serve her man, she would have cooked for him because he was without asking.
	Wouldn't do things for you.
	Like, do you like to cook and clean?
	If her answer is, I'm not a slave.
	You already know right then and there, she's not that type of girl.
	Which relationship is your dad or brothers?
	So before you knew all this, you know.
	Before I learned things.
	Yes.
	Learn the ways.
	Learn the ways of the monks.
	All right.
	Is there another tweet?
	All right, we have some chats here.
	We have.
	Kiara, can you read this one?
	Read your Bible.
	If you have questions about how to be a good wife or how to be a good husband, I recommend referring to, how do you pronounce that?
	Ephesians.
	Ephesians.
	I don't want to do it wrong.
	Ephesians 5:21 to 33.
	The cool thing about God is he gave us all the answers to our problems.
	Amen.
	No, thank you.
	Read your Bible.
	Appreciate it.
	And then we have Jordan is royale.
	Thank you, man.
	Appreciate it.
	I kind of get what she is saying.
	But at the same time, this logic is the same logic of having an OnlyFans and claiming to be a Christian.
	Stop the Dolulu.
	Also, hi, Kitty.
	Hi, Laura.
	W. Mason, Crisis King.
	Crisis King indeed.
	He kind of gets what I'm saying.
	There you go.
	There you go.
	Let me get into some more of my pre-show notes here.
	So we have, let's see.
	Wait, hold on.
	Oh, finishing off with you.
	It's Angela, right?
	Maya, but.
	Oh, on your Twitter.
	Angelina.
	Angelina.
	Okay.
	You said in your Twitter bio, it says gifted divine protection for my honest intention.
	Yes.
	What's that mean?
	I'm a very spiritual person, and I believe that if you go about your life conducting yourself with honest intentions, you know, like kind of like I was saying before, you're molding your subconscious, you're forming your subconscious and your conscious into one so that you're not driven by egotistical, you know, drives and X, Y, and Z. You live your life in an honest way, honest with yourself, honest with, say, God or Ether or Prime Creator or whoever it is that you, you know, whatever.
	If you live yourself honestly, you know, because there's a lot of people that maybe go back here and, you know, oh, well, let me steal something and oh, it's not going to do anything.
	Yeah, grifters.
	Right.
	Good faith.
	And I have a supreme, you know, belief that my honest intention in my life and the way that I conduct my life provides me divine protection.
	You also mentioned something about astrology.
	Who here believes in astrology?
	Show of hands.
	I mean, astrology people.
	It's fun, but I don't know.
	Astrology, astrology, astrology, but not like zodiac signs.
	Does that mean that what astrology is?
	It goes deeper than that.
	She's talking about the birth charts and all that stuff.
	You also said you have a gangster bloodline.
	What does that mean?
	My dad was in the mafia.
	Are you Italian?
	No, I'm Mexican.
	Oh, the Mexican mafia.
	Are you supposed to say that?
	He passed away when I was a baby.
	Oh, okay.
	So you have a gangster bloodline?
	It is what it is.
	You put it in your Twitter bio.
	Pretty happy.
	It is what it is.
	Mob wives.
	The what?
	Mob wives?
	Mob wives?
	I guess that's.
	They brag about their husbands when they're jail and all that.
	Once they go to jail once, they're always like, it's like once you are in a gang and you go to jail once, you are always going to be categorized as a gang member as a mafia member.
	So it doesn't really matter if you're a part of that.
	It's the things you do will get you in trouble.
	Word.
	Okay.
	Criminal.
	Cool.
	Are you a gangster, though?
	Not anymore.
	Anymore.
	So wait, you were.
	She's risen.
	You were a gangster.
	I was influenced a little bit in my younger days.
	Like, did you do time?
	No, I didn't know how to do no time.
	She didn't do no time.
	I don't know.
	She didn't do coming.
	I didn't do no time.
	She didn't do no time.
	No, but I was.
	She bleeded out.
	I was really young.
	Were you in a gang?
	No, no.
	Were you associated?
	Affiliated.
	I was affiliated, yeah.
	With which.
	Oh, I'm not going to go into that, but, um, what is, what are like, uh, I, I was dating somebody and, um, yeah, he ended up going to prison for life at 16 and.
	And like, so, yeah, it's something that I hold California.
	Because if you're going to get appealed soon, because they've already claimed that minors cannot be sentenced to life.
	So soon he might be coming out.
	I don't know.
	Because they might not overtrump the gang charge, like the fact that it's gang-related.
	Yeah, but they've made it in Supreme Court.
	They've overruled it.
	Wait, what is different?
	I think in the last year or two.
	We don't need to get into it.
	You can't lock away a child for life as a minor.
	Yeah, he got charged as an adult.
	Yeah, that's what they're revoking that right.
	Oh, we have some new pre-show notes here.
	We're switching gears over here to Alexandra.
	So you said in your pre-show notes, you wrote, when I started dating my now fiance, he was considered homeless when we met and his fans would message me not to date him.
	But then we, wait, his fans said not to date him.
	He has fans.
	He does have fans still, yes.
	But then when we started doing OnlyFans together the week we started dating and you said I thought it was okay if your man is managing it, but I don't like doing OnlyFans.
	Oh, you don't like doing OnlyFans?
	No, okay.
	That's what you wrote.
	I don't even remember what I wrote, honestly.
	Okay.
	What?
	Kiko wants the smoke from everybody.
	That's worse than I thought, definitely.
	That's worse than I thought.
	All right.
	Thanks, Kiko.
	Go ahead.
	Go ahead.
	Okay.
	What was your question?
	Well, you said you don't like doing OnlyFans.
	I don't know how to answer that, honestly.
	It was his idea.
	I was wrong.
	No, no, no, I don't want to say anything.
	You should never do that.
	I don't want to say it in.
	We talked about your partner only.
	No, I don't want to say anything about that.
	Okay, you said.
	But you said you guys stopped doing it because you wanted to have it.
	We did stop.
	Oh, so you don't do it anymore?
	I don't know what we were doing, honestly.
	I think we are doing it No but you said we Oh well at some point Maybe you You're starting it back up.
	You're back up with it.
	Okay.
	You said also in your pre-show notes, a month after proposing, he got a happy ending.
	I don't want to talk about this.
	No, but these were provided.
	Like, hey, is there anything you want to talk about during the show?
	So I'm not, like, exposing you here or anything.
	This is just what you wrote.
	Okay.
	I mean, so do you.
	I don't want to talk about it anymore.
	I changed my mind.
	Is that okay?
	Okay.
	And I don't want to talk about the other thing either.
	Okay.
	Talk about what you said the first thing that you said.
	What was the first thing?
	About us doing OnlyFans and him being homeless.
	I'll talk about that.
	Oh, well, I was moving on.
	If you don't want to talk about the other things, that's fine.
	Just do know I'm not like ambushing you with this.
	Like, you literally provided this in response to me asking if there's anything on the show you want to talk about.
	He doesn't want me to talk about that.
	Oh, okay.
	So I told him I wouldn't.
	Well, I did say I would talk about that, but he doesn't want me to, so I have to respect that.
	I'm not going to push it, but and then the other stuff.
	You also said the government is trying to break apart the family unit.
	Yeah, I do think that.
	He left.
	Would you care to elaborate?
	I'm giving you a problem.
	Okay, okay, okay.
	I think the government is trying to break apart the family unit because With the transgender stuff and all that, that's literally them pushing that upon like kids and everyone.
	Wait, you're not okay with the government, like, espousing transgenderism?
	No, they're pushing that onto me.
	Yeah, okay, okay.
	I think.
	I think they're pushing that onto like children.
	Yeah.
	And what you're doing.
	Would you say that they're putting transgender content into the interwebs?
	What does that mean?
	Interwebs.
	Internet.
	Yeah, they are.
	Okay.
	And it's destroying society.
	It's a negative transgression.
	Yes, it's destroying society.
	It's breaking apart.
	It's breaking apart families.
	I get the NHS.
	How many trans and kids does that?
	I don't know what you're about to say.
	It's coming from...
	Tell me what, like, without saying what you're going to say, tell me what you're...
	Um, what do you mean?
	Are you gonna Are you going to target a specific group?
	No, I'm not going to target anyone.
	I'm just saying I think the government.
	It's coming from the government.
	Okay.
	It's coming from the government.
	I think that's a good idea.
	So I'm tying it back into the OnlyFans content.
	If you think that pushing that agenda is a net negative for society, and would you agree that having OnlyFans content in society is a net negative?
	Yeah, I think so.
	Why are you any better than the government?
	I'm not saying I am.
	So it seems like quite the hypocrisy.
	So why would you not want to vote for somebody just like who's practicing things like you?
	Not saying that people in government have OnlyFans, but they hold those same, I guess, morals and beliefs.
	That's true.
	Yeah, I guess that's just something I would consider.
	I think I wouldn't say I like doing OnlyFans either.
	But I do.
	We stopped doing it for that reason because I wanted to be better not to do fans.
	I guess if you want to be a net positive society, I would genuinely consider the effect you're having on people.
	If you want the well, we've already lingering on the porn bad thing for too long.
	We beat it to death.
	You wanted to talk about pregnancy?
	Me?
	No, no, no.
	Or was it Avery?
	It might have been Avery.
	Oh, it was Avery.
	You said you wanted to talk about pregnancy?
	Yeah.
	I've just, okay, I've just prompted you.
	What do you want to?
	Like, I want to get pregnant, and I have, like, I like pregnancy.
	You want to get pregnant and you like pregnancy.
	That's it as a kink.
	I do too, actually.
	You do?
	Yes.
	Oh, my God.
	I actually just got a positive pregnancy test yesterday.
	Congratulations.
	Wait, what?
	You're having a baby too.
	Congratulations.
	Thank you.
	Holy fuck, that's scuffed.
	What?
	No, don't worry about it.
	It's the fucking camera angles.
	Don't worry about it.
	But I agree with you on that.
	You said that?
	Yeah, I think I would look good pregnant.
	Me too.
	I want a bunch of kids.
	I do too.
	Having kids is more than wanting to be pregnant and thinking you're going to look pregnant.
	How do you feel about raising a toddler and having a baby?
	Like, how do you feel more about those?
	I have five club.
	No more OS.
	No more clips.
	I have five younger siblings, so I think I would be a great mom.
	Not right now.
	Not right now.
	You said 19.
	You did say before that you wanted to be pregnant now.
	Well, I know now.
	I want to be a baby mama or a wife first, or you just want to be pregnant.
	I don't know.
	Oh, and hell no.
	That's even worse.
	You gotta have a male moment.
	You gotta get a girl.
	Yeah.
	I think if I'm 19 or 15, her fake porn name is Avery Jenner.
	That's her real name.
	Jenner's not your last name.
	Is that I just say that?
	Yeah, that's fucking bullshit.
	I don't buy it.
	She's literally Armenian.
	They're not Armenian.
	The Jenners are not Armenian at all.
	All Armenians have the last name Jenner.
	Chris Jenner is a white and Bruce Jenner is white.
	The Kardashians are Armenian from their father.
	That's their middle name.
	And Kendall are not Armenian.
	Your middle name is Jenner.
	Yeah.
	Anyways, you're turning yourself into a cycistic right now.
	Okay, you started off already with being a teenager in OF, which is like, whatever, we can move past it.
	But then being like, I want to possibly be a baby mama and I can't wait to be pregnant because I'm going to look so hot to my baby.
	Didn't think mama come out of my mouth.
	She asked me.
	They asked you.
	You said eating.
	I did not say, yeah.
	I just said I want to eventually be pregnant.
	And I don't think it's bad if I'm pregnant before I'm a wife or married.
	That's what I'm saying, though, but you're turning yourself into all these things that you have.
	There's people that get pregnant before they're married.
	No, I think it's as difficult.
	It's as helpful that she wants to have children.
	She wants a teen pregnancy.
	No, she wants a teen pregnancy.
	Who is going to help her?
	That's her.
	I admire that you want to have children.
	I think that's really important and beautiful.
	Her first 10 words that came out of her mouth was nothing about having children.
	It was about I want to be pregnant.
	Yeah, she's not going to be able to do that.
	That's the thing that she was saying.
	She just wants to be aware of her.
	She said she's a kink for being pregnant.
	She never said, I can't wait till I have children to raise my own kids.
	She said, I want to be pregnant.
	These are two different things.
	What is that called?
	Yeah.
	It sounds like surrogacy is more up your alley, but that's no, it's not admirable to say to have this mindset at this age.
	Wow, it's crazy.
	Well, biologically, you're supposed to be a kid.
	I don't know if it's that bad.
	I don't think it is even.
	She becomes a sadistic and she's a single mom and she's complaining about it.
	And all the girls online.
	It's deeper, though.
	There's, it's, I admire because you have an inherent feminine characteristic of wanting to have children and being pregnant and everything.
	And that's admirable, but I definitely think you should understand society a little bit more and understand child psychology a little bit more and understand how important it is to have the patriarchy approved.
	Start pumping out babies, perfect.
	I can't, if she would have said, I can't wait to be a mother, I can't wait to have my kids, I would have not my Zip.
	She said, I cannot wait to be pregnant.
	I have a pregnancy kink.
	I want to be pregnant.
	Don't bring a baby into the world unless you say that.
	I can't wait to be a mother.
	Unless you're ready to be right.
	Biologically, you're supposed to have kids.
	That's so completely different than what's going on.
	Seven, sixteen, and a pregnancy quarterback.
	Wait, is it a kink, though, for a woman to have a strong desire to want to get pregnant?
	And not have the kids after?
	Talk about her.
	She said it.
	She said she wants to have a bunch of kids.
	It's like a Frodian slit.
	When you say something like that and you're not right, the 19-year-old wanting to have kids and get pregnant, or the 19-year-old, or not even that, but just the women, the woman who says, well, I want to wait till I'm in my late 30s to get pregnant.
	Whatever.
	Like the woman who delays.
	So what's worse?
	A 19-year-old who's doing OnlyFans who can't wait to be pregnant or a woman who waits till she's stable and ready to have children?
	Hmm.
	That's a lot of people.
	How many can you handle the fact of having kids?
	Look at all these girls now.
	They are young moms and can't handle it.
	Like, don't everyone look at Kylie Jenner with two kids and is like, oh my God, I can do that.
	I can't wait.
	She's not raising her own kids.
	That's what I'm trying to point at.
	It's nothing wrong with being a mother.
	I can't wait to be a mother either.
	She's always on my mom.
	She wants to be like a mom and she's next time.
	But I mean, I'm just maybe the menu.
	She's ready to realize your words have power behind them.
	So the way that you say things, like, realize that that can mean that.
	Are you on birth control, though?
	No.
	Wait, come around the table.
	Who's on birth control?
	No, I haven't birth control.
	I have an IUD.
	No.
	No.
	Nope.
	No, but I'm not doing anything sexual.
	So birth control is terrible for you.
	I'm not saying it's a good thing, but I'm definitely on it.
	I want to have protection, not just for my boyfriend, but for any possibilities out there.
	Control actually, like, it's different.
	If you're on it, you're attracted to different types of men.
	I've heard of that.
	That's not chase, always.
	Because it's changing your chemical imbalance.
	Do you have the copper one though?
	No.
	Oh.
	No, but I have the hormonal one.
	But then Chase was saying that since I'm on birth control, I would want more feminine men.
	I was basically only dating women before I got on birth control, and now I date a pretty masculine, hypermasculine man that have on birth control.
	Because it thinks you're pregnant.
	When you're on birth control, your body thinks you're pregnant, so it wants a more sub, like a beta man.
	Beta man.
	Chase said the opposite.
	It wants a guy that takes care of you.
	Whereas if you're not on birth control, you want a masculine man.
	Man.
	Interesting.
	Like an asshole, pretty much.
	Yeah, there you go.
	It's true.
	I don't know if it's specific to that, but it does change.
	Like you said, you were attracted to it.
	Right.
	There are different responses to everything.
	My hormones.
	So there are different responses to any drug.
	Like certain people are non-responders and certain people are responders.
	So I wouldn't say that every single woman who goes on hormones is going to have that effect.
	I would say they've done studies that have found that women, generally speaking, women who are on hormones are going to have this, like they're going to be attracted to different types of men than if they were off hormones.
	Now, maybe you're just a non-responder.
	Not in the way that the drug doesn't work, but maybe you're just a non-responder in that way.
	That symptom is a lot of fun.
	I still don't consider that a response, though.
	The opposite.
	But it makes sense both ways because I also like with medication, usually I'm not the type to be like, oh yeah, I just took like an anti-anxiety.
	I feel no anxiety.
	Or I just took a pain med.
	I feel no pain.
	Like medicine doesn't really ever, I don't really feel effects of medicine like that.
	Yeah, certain people are just not sensitive to certain things.
	So, I mean, it makes sense.
	Yeah, but I do understand why that conversation, and I don't think birth control is a good thing.
	I'm sure it has many negatives.
	My only tidbit with it is, though, I don't like too much talk about negatives on birth control when we already have a push for more sexually advanced people.
	So if in society right now, sex and casual sex is already getting pushed so much, I don't want birth control being bad to be getting pushed at the same time because you see how that can be a recipe for disaster if everyone's getting influenced to be hypersexual, but then are also getting influenced to not protect themselves.
	Because they're also not saying condoms.
	They're just saying no birth control.
	Birth control actually makes you infertile.
	No.
	In some cases, but that's very rare.
	I heard if you take it for like a long time, it does.
	Yeah, I took it for six years and it fucks you up.
	I heard that button.
	I think you did that too.
	No, if you take it.
	No, I'm just saying, yeah, because I had miscarriages before.
	Oh, I'm sorry.
	So it does make you infer a lot.
	It can definitely mess with your fertility, but I don't age messes with your fertility, so.
	No, you should see fertility rates over time.
	Even dating.
	It's really bad for birth control.
	How do you know if you're fertile or not?
	We don't just in general.
	Because it's not just birth control, it's environmental factors.
	It's the microplastics.
	It's the estrogen in the non-stickwear pan.
	It's everything.
	In general, men and women fertility rates are plummeting populated.
	Just kidding.
	I'm sorry.
	I feel bad for everybody.
	I feel everybody deeply for anybody who struggles with infertility.
	That's a serious issue.
	Yeah, I think it is logically consistent for those who are more traditional to not want birth or push against birth control.
	I think it's logically consistent for those who are more liberal and more liberal with their sexual views to push birth control.
	That makes sense.
	And for people who kind of crisscross those, yeah, I just think they're logically inconsistent.
	Here we have a TTS.
	Hey, Brian, first time TTS question for Mason.
	Would you F the oldest woman in the world or the hottest trans woman in the world and why?
	Yeah, I'm not going to engage with that question.
	No, you can.
	No.
	No, that's respectable.
	No.
	That's what I think Christian would have responded as.
	This would be a really good setup for Kiko here because that's where Chase.
	I can already tell from the past few hours how he communicates that his response, regardless, won't irritate me.
	I don't engage with vulgar questions.
	It's it's like maybe one day down the road I would engage with that question with my wife, but I don't like I don't put my sexuality out there for just anybody.
	Respect.
	Yeah.
	That's respect with you.
	That's respectable.
	Even if God damn.
	That's why fucking brought up because thank you Nate for the discussion.
	You could say right now I would pick the hottest trans or the hottest oldest woman, whatever the fucking question would be.
	I could just tell that with the way he phrases it is respectable.
	It's all about communication and how you use your body.
	I'll answer the question.
	Go for it.
	I'll answer the question.
	Little oldest woman.
	Why?
	Why?
	Got that diaper on her.
	Why are we talking the crepkeeper, huh?
	Why?
	Because, look, I'm straight.
	You're straight.
	I'm straight.
	And it would not be straight.
	Yeah.
	It would make you gay.
	It would not be straight to have sex with the hottest trans woman in the world.
	Okay.
	It would be or wouldn't be.
	It would make him gay to sleep with the trans woman.
	It would not be straight to do that.
	Would you rather sleep with the...
	Megan Fox or Hulk Hogan?
	Is that what it is?
	I was going to say, would you rather sleep with the hottest trans woman in the world or a stud?
	like a hyper or actually sorry would you rather no no I got it I got it.
	I got the question.
	Would you rather sleep with the hottest trans woman in the world or the hottest trans man in the world?
	That man needs to be a woman, though, so he's a woman.
	That's the question.
	They present themselves as a man.
	You know, they are everything and a man.
	Pussy's still there?
	Pussy's still there.
	No, they're both fully transitioned.
	It's a fully transitioned woman, like a transgender woman, and a fully transitioned male.
	Is it like?
	Because you're saying it's gay for them to be straight.
	Can they give them a bad person?
	That's a hypothetical.
	That's a hypothetical that you guys love to play.
	How do I, but, bro, hold on.
	So you're saying I have to have it.
	Maybe you're putting it in.
	I don't know.
	No, it's a real person.
	You could be top.
	You could be top.
	Yeah, it's a peen, so I can't have.
	You said have sex.
	No, no, it's worse.
	The transgender surgery, they take the peen and they put it in.
	No, but she's saying trans.
	I said hottest trans man or hottest trans woman.
	Yeah, I can't have sex.
	Yeah, I can't have sex with that.
	So you're going to do the trans me, the trans woman?
	No, but you're not.
	You're giving me, you're giving me like.
	It's a hypothetical.
	Yeah, but you can't have sex if they have a penis.
	Yeah, I'm kind of fearing.
	If you surgically give them a penis, that has nothing to do with that.
	Yes, it is.
	And it has nothing to do with that.
	So here's the thing.
	No, no, no.
	The fair question is, it's a trans woman who hasn't had bottom surgery and a trans man who hasn't had bottom surgery.
	Okay, sure, if that's what you want to do.
	Yes, if I had to pick in this catastrophic hypothetical scenario, yeah, I'd pick the trans man.
	Okay.
	Over the trans woman.
	That's a funny image in my head, but thank you.
	I mean, it's technically still straight.
	Well, I actually don't think it's straight, but like of the two, it's not as bad.
	Because in my opinion, when that question gets phrased, I'm envisioning a fully transitioned transgender woman.
	Like, I'm envisioning the key to drag down top to bottom.
	I just don't see how sleeping with someone who looks like Nikita Dragon is gayer than sleeping with someone who looks like young M.A. Like, why would you, you're choosing to sleep with that woman because she has feminine attributes.
	If you're choosing to sleep with young MA, you're choosing to sleep with her because she looks like a dude.
	Just say it, Kiko.
	Say what?
	Just say that you are...
	Never mind.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, what?
	I'm trans.
	We know I'm not trans.
	No, that's not what I was going to say.
	That's not what I was going to say.
	Tay does have to leave here.
	She let us know before the show that she does have to leave.
	I want, you know, maybe there can be a reconciliation here.
	I would like you guys to exchange some final words here.
	Can I say something before Taylor?
	I get it.
	I get it being at me.
	I've talked my shit.
	I feel like you've talked your shit.
	Honestly, if I'm being real, I was doing mostly shit for laughs.
	That's why I am sitting up here laughing because I don't care.
	This shit is not that deep to me.
	And like I said in the beginning, I do agree with a lot of things you say.
	I think you're a very smart, bright, grown woman, not young woman, but grown woman.
	And I do agree with a lot of things you say.
	We do disagree on some stuff, how we phrase things or Candace, but I agree with you on a lot of things.
	And I have really nothing against you.
	Like, that's why I'm like laughing and giggling because I don't care.
	Like, it's not that deep to me.
	Okay.
	So I'm glad you said that you did it for show.
	I respect that.
	Yeah.
	Thank you.
	You're welcome.
	Oh, that's it?
	I thought you guys were going to have another question.
	No, if she wants to say anything, she can go for it.
	I've got my word.
	I have no beef with her.
	As long as somebody can apologize and be grown about it, there's no beef.
	Oh, okay.
	I'm cool.
	I'm not going to do anything.
	I'm cool.
	Let it go after you.
	How did you feel about her before the apology, though?
	What do you mean?
	I didn't care for the stuff she did, but like I said, she said she apologized.
	I gotta let you go.
	Quit being a freaking instigator, bro.
	So I'll shake your hand because I'm gonna be out of here.
	Oh, look at that.
	Thank you so much.
	Look at that.
	All right.
	There we go.
	There we go.
	AK.
	Thank you for coming.
	Let's go.
	Actually, wait, do we have?
	I think, Maddie, go ahead.
	You take the seat.
	Maddie's joining us, folks, at the panel.
	Here, we are getting into some more pre-show notes here.
	What's up?
	Okay.
	I gotta go to see what you're doing.
	No, you don't.
	Shut up.
	Wait, can I have you scoot the mic that way and then straighten it up?
	My bad.
	All right, cool.
	Oh, we were going.
	I think I was asking you, is there anything anybody here disagrees with?
	Anything else?
	We pulled up the tweets, but anything?
	Anything?
	Anything?
	This is so much, it's hard to get where to start.
	Anything?
	Anything?
	That women are responsible for our current sex culture?
	We already talked about it, kind of.
	Let's follow Twitch one day, think.
	All right, guys, go to twitch.tv/slash/whatever.
	Drop us a follow in a prime sub if you have one.
	Drop us a follow in the prime sub if you haven't.
	Also, follow the prime sub and the follow if you have one.
	There you go.
	Okay, fine.
	How about I just throw out a couple things and then if you any of you want to bite.
	Actually, wait, really quick, going around the table.
	Are your parents still together?
	Yes.
	Ooh, that's a hard question for me to answer.
	So next.
	No.
	Minor.
	My father passed away when I was 18 months old.
	Sorry to hear that.
	No.
	Dad's dead.
	Yes.
	No, mother's passed.
	Okay.
	All right.
	All right, I'm going to throw out some potential hot takes here.
	Any woman can be a slut.
	Very few men can be a slut.
	Any bites?
	What does that mean?
	Any bites?
	It means.
	Anyone can be a slut.
	No, any woman can be a slut.
	Any woman can be a slut.
	few men can be a slut he's saying that women have an easier access to sex than men do so they can make yeah because well no he's like a promiscuous woman is more slutty than a promiscuous man Or like, there's less give for a woman.
	Like, her, like, leash is way shorter in terms of getting to that point of slut rather than a man.
	Yeah.
	No bites.
	No bites.
	Okay.
	How about women don't need game or Riz.
	You just have to show up.
	Facts.
	I agree.
	Yep.
	Not for easy.
	Like a high value man.
	Not for what?
	A higher grade.
	A high higher value man.
	Yeah.
	You need game or Riz?
	Well, I think, well, I think not being a doormat, having intelligence.
	That's not game or Riz.
	There's highly intelligent men who have no game or Riz.
	I my like my love language is very like teasing and like flirtatious, so like I would consider that my like gamer Riz, but it's not like oh baby, like let me slide in them DMs, it's more of just how I flirt.
	Do you think being able to banter, while perhaps for some men could be a pro, do you think it's high on the totem pole of what men really care about in a either a short-term casual encounter or a long-term relationship?
	No, but I do believe that men.
	You know you might not agree with this, but I think some of the best relationships and the best long-term relationships last when you guys are actually friends first.
	Rather than a man and a woman coming together in a relationship in these like traditional senses that we think of relationships, I think it's actually more compatible when you guys are friends.
	So if there is that kind of friendly banter, then possibly not cerebrally he'll think that like that's high on the totem pole.
	But when you actually get into, you know the relationship and stuff.
	I think stuff like that will help him stay longer rather than just being like a doormat that's just sitting there on the couch and not like saying anything or adding to any kind of conversation.
	well okay cool word shizzle no one agrees or just nobody wants to bite okay how about this I feel like being able to carry a conversation as a woman is kind of having riz because sitting there and just being a little trophy is like sure you could do that but I feel like that's not long-term or sustainable how about this only traditional women deserve traditional treatment
	I think society in reality is a little bit more nuanced than that.
	But I mean, at the end of the day yeah, I mean, if you're a man and you have traditional values, then why would you treat a woman that's not traditional with traditional values?
	Okay like, for example, for example say, a woman does only fans, but she wants a guy to pay for first dates.
	Now I do actually think that even if a girl does do only fans, there's so many simps out there and men are so ingrained to behave in this way that they're gonna get.
	They're gonna get it anyways.
	But if we're just having an analysis of this, I don't think women who do only fans are deserving of the chivalrous treatment because they're engaged in sex work.
	So we have three girls who do only fans here.
	Do you guys care to weigh in on that?
	Yeah, I completely disagree.
	Just because you do only fans doesn't mean that the guy shouldn't pay for the first date like and only fans, like.
	I mean, you think that's to be having like so completely unrelated?
	Yeah, this is a hundred percent related.
	So just because I do only fans means we should split the bill like.
	That's not what.
	I'll answer that a man should pay either way yeah, even if she's a prostitute, it's still a woman, even though They're a man, so that's their job.
	They pay.
	So, but is she a woman?
	Well, why are you with her?
	Hold on, let me rephrase.
	So, what you're saying is it's because he's a man.
	So, he should be a gentleman.
	But who is deserving of gentlemanly treatment?
	Wouldn't you say it's ladies?
	What if she's not a lady?
	That doesn't mean you're not a lady.
	Yes, maybe.
	Hold on.
	Why are you going to be a little bit more?
	If you're engaged in sex work, you're not a lady.
	Not I.
	It says who.
	It says the patriarchy right here.
	It says tradition.
	Says tradition.
	Well, that's your opinion.
	No, no, no.
	Tradition is not an opinion.
	It is historical.
	Well, then I wouldn't want to be with a man like you.
	And I wouldn't be on a date with a man like you either.
	You don't want a traditional man.
	That's fine.
	Well, that's not.
	Yeah, I guess not.
	Apparently.
	No, they do want traditional men as they think.
	I mean, they say still people have traditional men.
	Mixed opinions of like, or like whatever, traditional, not traditional.
	Like, you don't have to be like strictly one or the other.
	Right, but don't you think doing sex work is pretty far down the road into being non-traditional?
	Like it's okay if the girl like maybe she has I'm trying to think of like a slight way in which a woman could be not traditional.
	Maybe she's a little tatted up or I don't know.
	Yeah, maybe she has a tattoo.
	I've taught to like base my relationships based on if I'm traditional or if he's traditional or whatever.
	But so look at I've never even thought of like that at all.
	But you said you would object to a guy not paying for the first date, correct?
	Correct.
	You want a guy to pay for the first date.
	Absolutely.
	If the guy on the date said, hey, let's split, would there not be a second date?
	No, there wouldn't be.
	What about for you?
	Do you want guys to pay for first dates?
	I'm not sure.
	That's fine.
	What do you mean I'm not sure?
	I'm like, maybe I really, I don't know.
	If he didn't pay for the first date, have you been on a date?
	Let's say a guy who you fancy.
	Yeah, I have, and they've always paid.
	Okay, would you, if the guy put yourself back into those scenarios, if the guy, the waiter comes and he's like, hey, two checks, please, you wouldn't feel like you're not.
	I'd be a little bit cringed out.
	Why would you be cringed out?
	Because why would I be on a date with like a broke man?
	What if he's not broke?
	He's not provided.
	A man should be able to provide.
	And a woman shouldn't be a sex worker.
	Agreed.
	I'm not having to do that.
	Okay, but then I guess we're not a perfect message.
	No, but sex worker is a sort of all-encompassing sort of term here.
	You're selling your sexuality, essentially.
	You're digital prostitute.
	Dude, selling sex.
	Look, okay, fine.
	I'll just rephrase it.
	I'll rephrase it.
	Then a lady shouldn't be on OnlyFans with nude content.
	Okay, well, some guys don't be on a date with you.
	Yeah.
	But you're saying a guy should be a provider.
	And will provide profit.
	You're saying a guy should be a provider.
	If that's okay for you to say, why is it wrong for us to say women shouldn't be posting nude photographs of themselves on the internet for $4 a day?
	I really would agree.
	Well, I don't agree, but that's your opinion.
	And I think that's a good idea.
	It's not just my opinion.
	Well, whatever it is.
	Being traditional, there's an agreed-upon sense of what that is.
	I know.
	But a lot of guys would pay for the first date.
	And if they didn't, it would be cringe.
	That's what you said, right?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Would there be a second date?
	If the guy.
	If I really like them, maybe, yeah.
	What if it was a medium amount of like?
	Medium?
	Maybe not.
	Probably not.
	Okay.
	And what about you?
	Who should pay?
	The man.
	The man should pay.
	Of course.
	Well, hold on.
	But why is it okay for you guys to say, well, men should do X?
	But I can't say women shouldn't do X. If I'm with a guy and he says he doesn't want me to do OnlyFans, then I completely would I would not do it.
	I'd be all done with it.
	Okay.
	But my point is, I'm assuming you're not going to let a guy on the first date or before you even meet him call those kind of shots, are you?
	Well, if I was single, I wouldn't be doing OnlyFans.
	Okay, that's another conversation then.
	But so let me ask you guys a question then.
	So why should men pay?
	Like make the actual argument why men should pay.
	I feel like that's like their job.
	Like, that's what's expected in today's society.
	Like, it's not...
	It's expected of what kind of men?
	Yeah.
	It doesn't matter if you're traditional or not.
	I've been on dates with non-traditional guys that have paid.
	That's true.
	Sure, they'll still pay.
	But that seems to be based in some sort of tradition.
	Yeah, but they don't have to be fully traditional.
	So you're 19, correct?
	Yeah.
	Yes.
	So and are you dating guys kind of around your age, like 19, 20, 21, or are you dating older?
	Yeah, a little older.
	How old?
	Like 21, not.
	Okay, do you think a 21-year-old's earning potential is substantially greater than yours?
	No.
	Probably still in college, maybe.
	So why should a guy pay?
	Make the actual argument.
	I wouldn't be on a date with someone that I don't want like a future with and like and I want to like wait.
	Okay, I don't know how to put it into words.
	Just let me think.
	Just keep going.
	Just go back to her.
	Sorry, I didn't mean to cut off.
	I just think guys should like provide.
	Yeah, they don't want traditional man.
	want a provider that's the only gentleman to pay i suppose you could be I wouldn't say a gentleman either.
	They don't want a gentleman.
	If I'm trying to date with a traditional man who doesn't want me doing OnlyFans, then he should be paying and showing me that like he wants to provide for me.
	Doesn't want me doing what I do to make a living.
	So he, what are you going to do?
	But okay, someone who's financially affluent is not going to make a bad investment.
	Therefore, if he doesn't want to invest in a woman who is not going to be loyal to him, do you see the contradiction there?
	I mean, it's not that big of an investment.
	It's like one date.
	I know.
	And if you want to make a good impression and you're not really messed with the girl, then you'll pay for her.
	You know what would make a good first impression to the man is not to have your nude photographs online for $5 a month.
	They're not getting traditional men.
	That's the first point.
	Any traditional man wouldn't even take them on a date to begin with.
	Right?
	So that's why they want provider menu.
	This is what feminism is all about.
	They're expecting that traditional treatment, even though they're not going to expect that.
	I don't think what traditional means.
	I agree, yeah.
	No, but it's a problem.
	I find it like you're both modern women.
	You're both modern women, yet you're holding men to this gendered expectation that they be providers and pay for you on the first date when you're not even willing to reciprocate that sort of tradition back.
	No, because you're looking at it from the wrong standpoint.
	They're not looking from, because an aspect of a traditional man is a provider, right?
	What's an aspect of a sugar daddy?
	provider that's more what they're looking for is a permanent not i'm not saying you guys want to I'm sure you guys want to be in love and all that stuff.
	But that's the point that they want.
	They want a provider because they are used to men giving them money for literally anything.
	So why would they not expect their partner to do the same?
	That's a different thing.
	I don't, look, I agree that a guy could be a provider and not be a traditional guy.
	Absolutely.
	But it's the expectation on the woman's part that, oh, well, if he doesn't pay for the first date, there's not going to be a second one.
	It's a man's job to pay for the first date.
	Well, it's a woman's job to not prostitute herself online.
	Okay, well, maybe if we go on a couple dates and, you know, and we eventually get in a relationship and you don't like that, then I'll stop.
	But regardless, that's still a traditional man.
	But I just don't, I don't get the whole like, I'm a modern woman.
	I'm free, like sexually free.
	I can do OnlyFans.
	But I also want to hold men to this very narrow standard of what their gender roles are.
	It's not even a narrow standard of what their gender roles are.
	They already have so many men who are throwing money at them for literally doing nothing.
	If they can't have, if they have a partner who comes into their life and is like, oh, I'm not paying for dinner.
	Well, I'm not doing that.
	She's going to be like, well, I can just get my Discord boyfriend to do it then.
	I can just get this OnlyFans dude to tip me some money.
	That's what the problem is.
	They are so used to it that they can't, you can't expect them to date somebody who wouldn't do what a million strangers are already doing for them.
	You're right.
	That's the difference.
	Short-term solutions, but long-term problems.
	Yeah, I would also agree with that, but that's a whole different conversation.
	Because they're not getting traditional men.
	Like, that's stop it there.
	Well, I'm not looking for men in general anymore.
	I mean, I honestly, I might be one of feminists.
	You can't wait to be pregnant and so on.
	Okay, not feminists, but like I don't really want to depend on a man to like provide for me.
	Hold on, no, no, no, no.
	You just said if he wanted me to be doing OnlyFans, then he should provide for me.
	Because why does he have to say if he's not providing for me?
	Like, if I can do what I want to do.
	You just said you're not looking for a guy to, you don't want to.
	I don't want to depend on a man.
	But I don't know if you can do that.
	Expecting a man to pay for the first.
	Expecting a man to pay for the first date is literally you depending on the man.
	Okay, but you're saying that I can't do OnlyFans if he wants to pay for the first date.
	Then, okay, then provide for me if you don't want me to do OnlyFans.
	You should.
	That's my job.
	But the expectation is a little, let's say, unfair.
	Well, that's life.
	I have something to say.
	A lot of some guys that do pay for meals, because they paid, they also expect sex.
	Fuck.
	Because they paid for a meal.
	I'm not going to lie.
	Some occasions I've paid for my own food just so just to not deal with stuff.
	So as much as women expecting that, some men expect, oh, I paid for her a meal.
	Now I want you to have sex with me.
	Just some weird shit.
	Okay.
	Well, I think that expectation is weird, but I certainly agree with you that there's definitely men who will be who think that way.
	Not all.
	Yeah, not all, but I think that's a bad way to look.
	It's just like, it's weird to me because it's like, here's this gendered expectation on men, which in my view is sort of a traditional gender role to be a provider, to pay for first dates.
	It's like, how are you going to have that expectation on men, but not like be the most modern type of woman possible?
	Because they're not, because they are modern and they already have people who are willing to do it.
	So why wouldn't they?
	It's just like, to me, it's like, well, if you acknowledge that you're a modern woman, just be like, yeah, I guess we could split the bill.
	No, but they're still, they're going after modern men that just happen to be providers.
	Right, but there are modern men who are also down to go 50-50.
	They are, but what's wrong with dating them?
	That's not what they want.
	That's not what they want.
	Right, because feminism is a buffet.
	You get to pick and choose that which benefits.
	You're like broke and like whatever, but like.
	Right, but you wouldn't date a broke guy.
	I have dated a lot of broke guys.
	But I think that I've learned from them.
	They're all broke.
	You've just gone out of the dark.
	Yeah, I guess that's true.
	Yeah.
	That's also a very big issue with this conversation right now.
	But I know, but my point is that like if he wants me to not do OnlyFans and wants to be traditional, then provide for me so I won't do OnlyFans.
	I think the issue is your men, men talking to you.
	If you don't want your girl to do OnlyFans, don't date a girl who's on OnlyFans because it will always remain the issue.
	Any man who's going to be willing to date someone who does OnlyFans is like in the long run not going to be a good man.
	Well, yeah, I mean the reality is a man that's more willing to want to date a woman that does OnlyFans is less likely to want to be he's going to be more likely to want to be like a 50-50 provider.
	He's not going to want later in the future.
	Yeah.
	And that's a generalization.
	That's that's you know you're probably going to find more luck in dating if you were to date a more modern man or someone who is like, hey, let's go 50-50.
	Because that's the type of man that's going to be willing to put up with the OnlyFans account.
	It's like finding a unicorn to find some man who wants to be your provider, but is also like a leader as well.
	That's like, that's an extreme contradiction.
	So good luck finding the unicorn.
	It's probably not going to happen.
	I mean, and also the thing is a lot of men that do date you, if you have an OnlyFans, might be looking at you to be able to cash out themselves.
	Exactly.
	They're the guys who are more likely going to be like, hey, if I pay for X many dates or one date, she's going to put out because she puts out for all these other guys.
	But the courses that people like, like take cells and stuff, you know, like it's literally on like pimping women.
	You also have to take into account that the kind of men that you're dating around our age range are probably not making as much money as you are.
	So it's a lot harder for them to definitely not be a provider.
	Look, also, like, if I can kind of make it slightly political, like if you're a woman and you consider yourself to have progressive political values, you're liberal, you're Democrat, it's crazy for you to want for a man to pay for the first date.
	I think that's crazy.
	Like if you have progressive social values, you're not really progressive.
	If in like society, you want things to be progressive, but you want to go back to patriarchy in your relationship.
	That's crazy to me.
	You got to be across the board with that shit.
	Oh, and then, hold on.
	Wait, actually, hold on.
	So just going around the table on this, who do you think should pay for the first date?
	We'll just reiterate it.
	I don't think everybody answered.
	Man.
	Men.
	Most of the time, men.
	Men.
	The man.
	Men.
	Men.
	Men, if they asked.
	Madison.
	I was going to say man.
	Man.
	Wait, and we'll go around the table again, but start with shit.
	Killer of cereal donated $200.
	His end goal for seeking dates to ultimately procreate in a traditional sense.
	Start a family, love, have children.
	Seeking a sugar daddy isn't traditional because it's a transactional relationship.
	Definitely, but I don't know if that was to me.
	The only reason why I brought up sugar daddying is because the men they're going to find that are willing to provide for them in that sense are going to be closer to a sugar daddy than an actual partner.
	I think there's like tons of guys that like will still pay for the first date and like will want to get to know us.
	I don't know that nobody's going to be able to do that.
	I'm glad that's working for you then.
	I'm glad it's working out.
	I don't really even go on dates.
	I don't have interest in even going on dates or like finding a relationship with a man because I've already been like, before I even did OnlyFans, it's never worked out.
	Men are just pieces of shit most of the time.
	So I think that might be something that are being attracted towards you might be pieces of shit because of the things that you are.
	I just said before.
	Thank you, killer of cereal pretty much.
	We're only doing high school, so a lot of guys are pieces of shit in your family.
	So you're telling me that like disagree.
	That's a sexist.
	It's a douche's time.
	Besides college or high school, sexist state.
	Four years for a guy to be a douche, and it'd be okay.
	What about women at that age?
	A lot of them are bitches too.
	Yeah, I was a bitch.
	You're telling me that immature men are willing to say whatever they want to get you to sleep with them?
	Like, they're willing to pay.
	They're willing to say anything.
	So, okay, I was in the middle of a thing before the TTS came in.
	So, okay.
	So, those of you, you answered who should pay.
	Just starting with, we'll start with you and then you.
	You guys want to get married?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Does everybody just who wants to get married one day?
	Well, I mean, show of hands.
	No, I'm not going to be able to do that.
	So, wait, starting with you, then you, then we'll go around.
	Will you take your husband's last name?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Of course.
	I'm going to add it.
	You're going to hyphenate.
	Well, I'm not going to hyphenate.
	I'm going to make my last name my middle name and then his last name.
	I'd probably consider doing something like that too.
	The only reason is because it's half of my identity is my last name.
	Like, you can't even tell what race I am without my last name.
	So I feel like that's a very big part of me and I don't want to lose it.
	Honestly, if he had a cool last name, though, and it flowed with my first name, like I, I would, I would not hyphenate.
	Yeah, but it's also part of my boyfriend has like the one of the most common last names in America.
	So going from my unique ass last name that like tells you my race or my nationality or ethnicity, as soon as you hear it versus his, I, yeah, no.
	I'm in the same boat.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	You.
	But I also don't plan on getting married.
	Okay.
	Um, I don't know if I want to get married, but I'd probably like add it on.
	Add it.
	So hyphenate?
	Actually, you know what?
	I'd probably just take his last name.
	Because if I'm going to get married, I'm going to assume it's going to last.
	Madison would like.
	I would take his last name for sure.
	All right.
	Hold on.
	Let me read this really quick.
	Dayvon Jackson, men, please take this as a sign to stop simping for these demons.
	Thank you, Dayvon Jackson.
	Appreciate it.
	Okay, well, some of you, I suppose, are consistent a little bit on that front, but we have a lot of women who come on the show.
	You guys want this sort of traditional scenario with these guys.
	You want men to pay for first dates, but don't want to take their last name.
	Ooh, bless you.
	Charge up.
	Okay.
	Cool.
	We have, let's see.
	Let me see.
	Hold on.
	Oh, makeup is a lie.
	That's a good one.
	You're cold?
	No.
	Okay.
	I said, I have questions.
	Oh, you have questions.
	I have a lot of questions for like a lot of people at this table.
	What you got?
	Go ahead.
	I'll let you.
	Not you guys, not you.
	For you.
	Before, when you go on dates, when you're dating out, do they know beforehand going into it what your job title is or after?
	Yeah.
	They know beforehand.
	Yeah, how's on social media, everyone knows?
	Yeah, so do you, are you usually, so that means you're meeting most men online and not organically?
	No, somewhere through like mutual friends, honestly.
	And like, I've met a couple guys organically that know from the start that I do OnlyFans and they still want to take me out.
	Have you ever had to tell somebody before, like, hey, I do OnlyFans?
	Yeah.
	And how do they usually react to that?
	Like, okay, like get your bread, I guess.
	Like, get your bread, I guess.
	How old are they?
	Like, your age?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Like, not a lot of guys, like, have a problem with it.
	Like, they understand.
	And are these the assholes you're going after?
	Or are they?
	Are they like simps, those guys?
	Um, honestly, like, I've dated and like gone on dates with like all different kinds of guys.
	So and none of them have had an issue with it.
	No, I've never.
	So, okay, I'm happy for you.
	I'm glad.
	But statistically, that doesn't even make sense.
	That means you must be pulling from a certain pool of men.
	Because like that's I'm happy.
	Like if you can find people and I'm I know there's men out there that are perfectly fine with it.
	Like there's girls who have an OnlyFans who are in long-term commitment relationships.
	But I just there has to be some correlation going on between like the men you're meeting in choosing to date and like them accepting this.
	I don't think I've gotten like far along to where that's been a discussion.
	It's more like a first date and then like yeah, because I'm not gonna waste anyone's time.
	Like if I don't like you then would you guys be opposed to dating like one of your subscribers?
	Because they are gonna give you everything that you want.
	They're gonna support your OnlyFans.
	They're gonna be able to provide for you.
	I genuinely like liked them.
	You?
	Yeah.
	What about a guy on OnlyFans who does OnlyFans?
	Yeah.
	I feel like that's probably like the best best.
	I feel like that's your system.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Because stranger things have definitely happened for sure.
	And the way society is progressing and the way options go.
	If there's every woman's on OnlyFans, yeah, men are going to have to start courting up with them, but I don't know.
	And you said more because you were talking relationship.
	What got you into OnlyFans at such a young age?
	I don't know.
	Just like through people, talking to people.
	You ask the same questions every time.
	Maybe you think this is boring?
	What you've been talking about for the last three hours has been boring.
	Ever being real, beating a dead horse.
	You said through people got you into it?
	Yeah.
	Like your friends doing it, so you just did it?
	No, it wasn't even that.
	I had a mutual friend.
	Kiara, why don't you read that?
	It's crazy work to demand, men, take care of, protect, and provide for you, and all he gets in return is, I'm guessing, Kachow.
	Everyone has seen.
	And you don't even take his last name.
	They said they would take their last name, to be fair.
	Well put.
	That was just weird.
	Would they actually, though?
	That's the real question.
	I think they would take their last name.
	That's the real question.
	Doubt it.
	They stand by their words.
	What if he has a bad last name?
	Do you still take it then?
	Yeah.
	Either way.
	My fiancé would have to be a good person.
	Still take the bad last name.
	Mine isn't.
	You're the one I've really got.
	A bad last name.
	Still take the bad last name of your.
	Like, how bad?
	Like.
	He was a direct descendant of some political leader and his last name just happens to be Hitler.
	What the fuck?
	I don't know.
	I'm definitely not taking it.
	Damn, that's an extreme name.
	I'm not taking that last name.
	No hyphen that they're taking to my last name, actually, both of us.
	The whole family.
	That's extreme, right?
	Oh, shit.
	Okay.
	Good times.
	Good times.
	But I mean, there's also like a lot a woman can provide like besides like money and like taking protecting.
	No, no, not like other than money because that's what like what the comment was just saying because that's what men do, whatever.
	Like cooking, cleaning, literally giving birth to their children, like being pregnant for nine months, giving birth, raising them, and like all the other stuff.
	Like why can't they provide money out of all that?
	Do you mean up front?
	What do you mean up front?
	As a deposit.
	Well, it's like, you got to think, right?
	Like maybe it would make sense.
	Your argument would be a little bit more difficult.
	Let me figure that up front.
	Okay, so maybe your argument would make sense.
	Well, down the road, women have this, you know, this bigger burden of going through pregnancy and the physical things that that entails.
	Yes, it's absolutely a burden.
	There's certain health risks involved.
	But the way dating is now is that you could end up dating 100 men, going on first dates, second dates, third date with all those men before you finally land on the one that you have children with.
	So arguing that men should pay for first dates because there's a possibility that you'll get pregnant maybe with this guy.
	It's actually very low chance.
	I think in today's day and age, it does make sense.
	Maybe back in the 50s when you went on, you dated like three dudes, the third one, you ended up marrying, maybe.
	But chicks be going on five dates a week.
	You think you're going to have kids with all of them?
	No.
	But like, why?
	What's wrong with paying for the first date?
	Like, it's literally a one.
	But you said, well, down the road, there's a chance I might get pregnant, so men should pay for first aids.
	It's not like what I'm doing.
	Well, that's sort of your argument.
	Okay.
	Well.
	I don't think it's.
	I just don't think it's a good argument, though.
	That wasn't my argument.
	Given the frequency of how often people will go on first dates.
	Wait, do you have you ever not paid for the first date?
	I've paid for first dates.
	Like, have you ever not paid for the first date, though?
	You made a first dates.
	Oh, yeah.
	Did they go on first?
	Did they go in dates?
	I've probably not paid for more dates than I have paid for first dates.
	Are they going another date with you?
	Yes.
	Well, they know you're rich.
	Like, you make a lot of money.
	It's obvious.
	You own this podcast or whatever.
	Okay, but I also dated before I started the podcast, where it probably wasn't as obvious or clear that.
	Well, you can just be bullshitting, but okay.
	About what?
	About you went on so many dates and didn't pay for it.
	Do you think you're just picky?
	Are you just picky?
	Or why didn't you pay?
	Well, as a true egalitarian, we can split the bill.
	And also, here's the thing.
	Here's something I'll expose onto liberal ideology.
	Well, hold on.
	There's no traditional law.
	I'm adhering to the current status quo.
	Hold on.
	There's too many questions coming out at one time.
	So I would say I've changed a little bit recently.
	So more recently, I've been more willing to pay for the first date, but also my screening methods have changed quite dramatically.
	And also certain other factors have changed.
	But when I was making a little bit less money, of course.
	Yeah.
	I'd split.
	I'd pay for my shit.
	She pays for her shit.
	Even if you really liked her and saw a lot of potential?
	Yeah.
	Maybe.
	Did all of them go on second dates with you?
	No, not all of them, but I'll tell you this.
	I'll tell you this.
	A lot of the women I was dating back in the day, I would argue, having, you know, living in California, living in Santa Barbara, most women here in Santa Barbara are liberal, progressive women, or maybe they're moderate.
	There's definitely not a lot of conservative women in California.
	The university.
	I'm sorry.
	The university brings a lot of the liberals.
	Yes.
	But Santa Barbara is predominantly a conservative town without the university.
	Older, maybe like in their 40s.
	Actual residents of Santa Barbara who don't just go here for the university.
	Yuppies are super liberal.
	I think, I mean, like statistically.
	Okay, I'm going to say women who live in Santa Barbara in California between the age of 18 to 35 are super liberal.
	I would say 18 to 22, but after that 22 mark, a lot of them are conservative out here.
	It's even worse once they get into the corporate world.
	They even, they double date.
	Yeah, I mean, the issue is the university indoctrinates.
	I don't know about that far.
	Yes, they're in the core.
	They're yuppies.
	They work for the wokest company.
	There's fucking Apple out here.
	There's Amazon out here.
	I was a little bit of a socialist indoctrination.
	I mean, I went to UCLA.
	I graduated in 2019.
	Like, I took sociology classes for GE.
	They're 100% indoctrinating in the university.
	Doctorating statistics or like gender studies?
	That's a legitimate.
	Well, you're taking gender studies.
	But I can't wait for that.
	It's the content.
	Madison, send us not have that.
	Wait, I have to.
	The content that's in the courses is very biased.
	Well, you sent me a control.
	You're teaching a gender study.
	No, no, no.
	I'm talking, I took a history course in the history department.
	History has been a biased course in the history.
	Absolutely.
	No, you see, I never experienced that here.
	As a soap major is what I'm saying.
	I've never been, but they were all statistic based on the channel.
	Well, see, that's the issue.
	Is like statistics is really easy to like skew and like the whole and like you know show what you want to show.
	Definitely like I was ever in a history course or anthropology course or something like that and we were talking about we're getting off topic here.
	Okay, so to bring it back, yes, I was actually the vast majority, almost all the dates I was going on for the longest period of time.
	Yes, I would split the bill.
	Is that why your ex-girlfriend didn't make you food when you were sick?
	That might be a big reason.
	It might be.
	It's the women who are seeking out.
	Not necessarily, but I will say this.
	I will say this: you might lose some girls doing that, but if a girl is, I guess, I don't know if the word like tolerate is the right word.
	If she gets hung up on something so like you're the assumption is probably you will pay for dates down the road.
	You're just not going to pay for the first date because you don't know exactly what you're getting.
	So if she can't tolerate just like one, maybe two dates where she pays 50-50 just so you can figure out if this is the kind of girl you want to be with, like if she can't just overlook that and focus in, okay, I don't like the fact that he's not going to pay, but I want to figure out the rest of this guy.
	Is he a good man?
	Will he be able to provide for me down the road?
	What are these personalities, like quirks that I want to know about before saying, I don't care because he didn't pay for the first date.
	That's a no from me, dog.
	To me, it just says more of like, also depends on the men you're dating and their values and things like that.
	But if I were single and if I were to go on a date with a man and he we split the bill at the end, that's to me, that's him signaling, I'm not interested in you.
	You know, great date, great talk, but I don't see this progressing any further.
	And then what if he follows up with you the next day and says, I had a great time.
	I'd like to meet you again.
	And I, an eye ghost?
	Well, but you're saying it's an indicator that he's not interested.
	But what if his interest continues?
	I would still be like, how many girls are you taking out on dates that you're so interested in me, you couldn't pay for our date?
	Because in the same respect, though, if I could tell by that, dude, you're super progressive, Kiko.
	You're super liberal.
	I'm not.
	Why would that be an issue for the guy to not pay for the first date?
	You're super progressive, perfect.
	Okay.
	I think, like, if you're taking me out, you should pay.
	If I ask you out, then I think that's like he's going to go on a whole date.
	You don't ask guys.
	You don't go on a bunch of people.
	Men don't ask guys out.
	Women don't ask men out.
	Well, okay, that's like the whole point.
	Like, then guys should pay for the date if they're always the ones asking us out.
	Well, that's crazy.
	If I asked somebody out, then I would pay for it, but I'm not.
	It's a privileged position for you to be so dominant, whatever, like pay for the date.
	I think if I thought the date wasn't going to go well, it wasn't going well, I would ask to split the bill then.
	Wait, do you genuinely think that men wouldn't prefer if there was just a hundred percent reversal in the sexual dynamics between men and women?
	If it was just totally flipped, where it was like girls like thirsting after dudes, sliding into DMs, you sliding into hundreds of, well, I don't know about that, but like I wouldn't, though.
	You don't think that men would take the trade instantly?
	I don't care that much about men.
	Well, we know that, but like, do you think that like men, if men wouldn't take the trade, you think they wouldn't?
	Like girls were just like wanting to fuck them like crazy.
	You wouldn't, you don't think we would take, we wouldn't take that trade?
	Y'all would still find something to complain about.
	I would take that trait if it would instantly put men in such a strong negotiating position.
	What's that?
	You guys already shame us for being whores all this, like every single day for literally any little thing.
	If you find out, like, we have a body count of like, what, like, five, like, you guys will call us, like, oh, I thought you were a virgin.
	No, did you lie about that?
	I am a virgin.
	So, what are you arguing about?
	About what men say about other women.
	Not just, it's not, this isn't even your.
	What do you mean by that?
	I'm arguing for other women, not just myself.
	Well, you're a virgin, so why would you care about men's because you're because you still cares how men have a viewpoint?
	You still have an opinion on something.
	It's just like men would instantly take the trade of women have to come to us.
	We get to be the sexual selectors.
	We get to pick among dozens or even hundreds of women who are just dying to spend money on us, fuck us, etc.
	We would take that trade in a fucking second.
	I don't think a lot of men would actually like that.
	What's that?
	I don't think they would actually like that.
	Yeah, I thought men loved women that are hard to get.
	That's what wife material is.
	Men do not like women.
	So you want an easy woman who's no, no, it's not.
	It's not, we're not talking about easy.
	Or thirsty.
	Yeah, like girls that just girl, I want to fuck you so bad.
	A bit much, but.
	That's what you just said.
	No, we want women who want us.
	Okay.
	We don't want women who shoot us down or play hard to get or don't text us personally.
	I think their version of hard to get is like just not sleeping with you right away.
	I don't think that's what hard to get.
	No, a lot of women view them playing hard to get is literally them just not.
	I'll repeat it one more time.
	If you play hard to get, you quickly become hard to want.
	That's fine.
	That is not true.
	It is 100% true.
	It's 100% true.
	Men are static and it's just embarrassing.
	So I think I'm attracted to a man that's like not so fucking easy.
	And that's why I like the change.
	Most men are very, I feel like I want a man that I feel like doesn't like me.
	And like my version of that is like somebody that's not so fucking easy.
	And like, because men are just easy, like always.
	Yo, ABC, thank you for the gift of 20 memberships.
	Are most of these men that are easy coming to you?
	Yes.
	That's why they're easy because they want you.
	Whereas if it were different and you wanted a man didn't want you, it would be harder.
	Wait, what?
	What did you say?
	I'm saying you think that men are easy because the men that are coming to you want you.
	That's why it's easy for you to get them.
	Whereas if it were a man that you wanted that didn't want you, it'd be harder.
	You haven't experienced that yet.
	And in fact, you said you were more attracted to those men.
	Well, I guess so, yeah.
	I said the thing, by the way.
	Like you wouldn't consider a woman a simp.
	Like in someone that's like.
	I know a simp woman, Brian.
	Yeah, there aren't, but like, as a guy who has OnlyFans, like, there's not so many girls like subscribing and like wanting that.
	It's always more men.
	Yeah.
	Gay men.
	What?
	It's just like a man's like natural thing is to be like.
	I'll bring it back to my whole thing because you guys were grilling me on the whole me not paying for first dates back in the day.
	I was on, here's, let me give a bit more context, right?
	So I was on dating apps.
	Now, the reality is when you're meeting a lot of these women on dating apps, Tinder, even Hinge, which I think is a bit more geared towards people who are looking for something a bit more serious, bumble, whatever it may be.
	I've had so many experiences going on dates with these girls.
	They're dating multiple dudes.
	That's fine.
	No, it's not.
	Not if you want me to.
	There's no fucking money.
	What are you doing on these dating multiple women?
	Like, what?
	You're on a dating app.
	What is the difference?
	Well, the difference is, I'm not going to pay for a date with a girl who's entertaining multiple dudes.
	You can get that if you're my girl.
	If we're in a committed relationship, I ain't going to be paying for a date with you, and then you're fucking this another dude the next day.
	That's crazy.
	Well, I don't know.
	I think, like, I'm not going to invite you to my birthday party at Dave Inbusters if I'm not going to pay for you.
	So, I don't think you should ask me out.
	Like, I'm not going to invite you to my birthday dinner and not pay.
	Like, I'm not going to invite you out and not pay.
	So, like, if you invite me to dinner and ask me out, you should pay.
	Let me give you a scenario.
	So, there's a girl.
	If I match with a girl on a dating app, and she's currently sexually involved with two men.
	Now, I don't know this, but she's sexually involved with two men.
	I'm on a first date with her.
	She fucked a guy yesterday, and she has a plan to fuck the other guy tomorrow.
	Do you think I should be a upstanding gentleman and pay for this woman?
	How would you know?
	Women deserve to be treated and also like- Women deserve to be treated what?
	Well, how would you know?
	No, Let her answer.
	This isn't for you.
	Like, provided and like cared for and respected.
	Because why?
	Because they're women.
	They're ladies?
	Yeah, ladies.
	Even if she's fucking another guy.
	Maybe we can get to know each other more and then.
	While she's fucking another guy, you can take me out.
	No, if that.
	Okay, please let me join.
	Like, why?
	Okay, I understand.
	Why the hell would you pay for somebody's first date if you knew she was fucking two other guys?
	if I don't and she's so you're just gonna expect that from every girl you're going to date with If you're on the dating app, you should.
	But well, I can go on dates and dating apps.
	And that's your problem.
	But expect what thing from me?
	That you're fucking two other guys.
	But there's not a burden on her for her to fight.
	You should be paying for ever.
	that's just double standards like as a woman there's no okay hold on as As a guy, there's no world where I can ever go on a first date with a girl ever and expect her to pay for the date in its entirety.
	To pay for me and for her.
	Now, maybe I can expect to split.
	That's bare minimum.
	Whereas women, you can go on a date expecting that the guy pays for the whole thing.
	Or maybe, maybe there's a split.
	I paid for my first date.
	Okay, you've simped for your boyfriend.
	Whatever.
	No, I didn't.
	You said you were like chasing this guy down for months.
	I did not say that.
	Oh, my God.
	You said you matched me.
	I also split my first date with her.
	I used to pay for my date.
	I got my Starbucks points.
	I used to pay for me and my ex to go on dates.
	Like, I would pay, like, he wouldn't even want to.
	We're talking first dates here, though.
	Well, we didn't go on a first date, I don't think.
	Here's my thing, right?
	If you're properly single, I'm much more inclined to be willing to pay for a first date.
	But if you're like entertaining multiple options, which is advice a lot of women get, date multiple men at the same time.
	Maybe even sleep with multiple men at the same time.
	It makes absolutely zero fucking sense for any self-respecting man to pay for a first date for a girl who may very well, later that night, after your wonderfully romantic and chivalrous date, she goes and fucks another dude.
	No, I totally agree.
	Yeah, I agree too.
	Well, that's the dating meta right now.
	Well, not for me.
	Why would I ever be fucking two different guys and going on?
	Are you entertaining multiple men?
	Are you entertaining multiple men?
	No.
	You have Discord boyfriends.
	Well, yeah, but you talk to them every single day.
	I'm not going on dates.
	Why the fuck am I going to take you on a date and then after?
	I don't want to go on dates.
	Okay, this is hypothetical.
	Okay, I'm not actually saying I'm going to date whatever.
	I'm saying, why would a guy go on a date with you and want to do all this providing when your romantic attention is divided?
	Well, I don't have any romantic.
	You said you have a Discord boyfriend.
	Yeah.
	So I'm supposed to take you serious when you're like constantly talking to this other dude in a romantic context?
	No.
	What?
	No, you're not.
	That's what I'm saying.
	Like, I totally agree.
	If I'm entertaining other men, no, you shouldn't pay for a first date, whatever.
	But, like, and most women are entertaining other men.
	Maybe just dating other men.
	Cool.
	Not to the same degree.
	I mean, some men probably have to do that.
	I don't know.
	I think that there's delusion on both sides of the spectrum of what men think is happening with women and what women think is happening with men on an average.
	I think it's delusion on both sides, to be honest.
	Because if they're saying that and you guys are saying that, what you're saying is that you think it's easier.
	It's the same.
	It is just as easy for a man to get a date with a woman than it is a woman to get a date with a man.
	No, I'm not saying that.
	I'm saying the assumption that generally the average woman is entertaining multiple men and that in general the average man is entertaining multiple women.
	That's a false, delusional dichotomy.
	That's not that women have the opportunity, and with opportunity comes more temptation, more temptation, means higher probability.
	But also, women are very different than men.
	If men had that, they would be the tenfold more than men.
	But it's not the case.
	Men don't have the same opportunity.
	You guys literally have a book that talks about spinning plates and a book that teaches men how to spin plates.
	What?
	Women don't have anything like that.
	What does that mean?
	So I'm talking about.
	Yes, they do.
	Yes, they do.
	Like cosmopolitan, just you guys talking amongst people.
	There's never ever been anything that's explicitly taught a woman how to entertain multiple men.
	Maybe there's been content on how women could finesse men for money, but there's never been content on how women teaching women how to entertain multiple men.
	Like there is content out there for men on how to entertain multiple women.
	Okay, so you're talking about dating multiple people at the same time.
	Who has a greater capacity to do that?
	Men or women?
	Women, but is that the reality?
	It's hard to say, but I would argue, like, this almost comes back to who has an easier time getting laid.
	I would argue almost if any woman was inclined to, she could like have three, like three, five, ten fuckbuddies at the same time.
	Coulda, shoulda, woulda, but that's not the reality.
	I would argue maybe the top five, ten percent of men can do that.
	Yeah.
	Most men are not able to have that degree of sexual optionality.
	Can, would, should, but that's what I'm saying.
	So isn't it statistically?
	Hasn't it been found statistically that like, isn't it 60% of the girls who are within the ages of, how was it?
	It was like 19 to 30 are in a relationship, and then it's like 30% of men.
	So statistically, you're wrong.
	Statistically, more women are in relationships than men are.
	But I think statistically active than women when we also look at those statistics.
	Nope.
	Yeah.
	I remember I was reading about this.
	It's also like.
	How can you be in a relationship with multiple people?
	Because if there's one guy dating five women, they're all claiming to be in a relationship.
	He's monopolizing five women, but that's only one guy.
	So that's how the statistics will be.
	I think it's called a neighborhood phenomenon where it's like only the top 10% are getting represented.
	So those top 10 overly sexually active people are like the ones that we all are focusing on and get the rap.
	So like, yeah.
	I mean, those kinds of studies are also based on self-admittance.
	So it's kind of like statistics like that are kind of hard to really value at faith.
	Because I'll tell you, I'm a woman and I have many woman friends, you know, and I've grown up with many woman friends.
	I'm 26 years old.
	And at this time, throughout the entire time of me being a woman and having female friends, that has never been a norm or an average.
	I've had like one friend who was a cheater that was a girl.
	I'll say this, look, spending money, it's reserved for your girl.
	Until she is your girlfriend, you should keep your money.
	Look where that landed you.
	A woman who didn't want to cook for you.
	Exactly.
	Damn.
	What?
	You're obviously courting non-traditional women by your spending money on somebody.
	That was like seven years ago, this anecdote of mine.
	That's what you gave us to work with.
	I gave you, sure, I gave you one anecdote.
	Look.
	Here, let me ask the panel a question.
	Do you believe you should make men wait to get wifey privileges?
	No.
	No.
	For marriage?
	Wifey privileges.
	I don't know.
	Maybe cooking, cleaning.
	A child is like this.
	No, if we're in a relationship, that's, yeah, you're showing your capabilities for marriage.
	Yeah, just like a man paying for the first date, showing your capabilities to be a husband.
	So, okay, if you were on a date with a guy and you were at his house, say it's the second date, second time hanging out, and he's like, yo, my laundry's over there.
	Can you fold it?
	Would you do it?
	Yeah.
	Second date?
	I'd love to.
	Yeah, of course.
	If I really liked him, yeah.
	Okay.
	All right.
	If you say so.
	If you say so.
	Maybe if he told me to.
	Whoa, whoa.
	If anything, I'm the opposite.
	I would want to do it.
	And then if he told me to, I will do it.
	I was going to say the same thing.
	If it's a second date.
	Sometimes when I'm in a relationship with somebody, I kind of just pick that up.
	Like, I'll go and do the dishes when we're done eating.
	I'll make the bed once we get out, like, just as an automatic.
	But if you ask me or tell me to do it, hell no.
	Yeah.
	I think that might be a deeper in privilege, not second date.
	That sounds like a dictator, not a partner.
	I'm just saying, I don't think the way the current dating meta is, look, there's some great girls out there that are properly single.
	But if she's not, if she's entertaining other men, which if you meet her, for example, on the dating app, she most likely is, there's also a good risk she might be sleeping with other men while considering dating you.
	So what's the timeline?
	long does she have to wait before she went on her last date or slept with someone before she can go on a date with you?
	What's like, what is the...
	The longer the better.
	Okay.
	Okay, sure, Brian.
	Of course.
	But what's the number?
	I want a woman who's only talking to one man at once.
	So like, I do the same thing.
	So what if she cut off that dude two days ago?
	Is that valid?
	It depends on how long their relationship was.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	If it was like, hey, I went on one date with this one guy yesterday or maybe not yesterday.
	I don't know.
	But I only talk to one man at once.
	Yeah.
	But then again, that's like you're assuming that she's telling the truth.
	She could or couldn't be.
	I don't know.
	Yeah.
	Like that's why I get not wanting to pay for a woman's date and then, yeah, she's sleeping with somebody else.
	But like dating is what it is.
	It's dating.
	So I think a woman or man should be allowed to go on a date.
	Maybe he went on a date two weeks ago.
	You can tell, hey, that's not going to work out.
	Time to go on a date with somebody else.
	That's not, I don't think that's her being shady.
	I think that's just her finding her partner and not settling because he paid for a date.
	Cool, but if I was on a date with a girl, for example, and I've had this, I've actually had this conversation, you know, because sometimes I remember I was on this date with this girl and sometimes it'll come up.
	Oh, so how's dating going for you?
	Whatever.
	And she told me that she had just downloaded, this was a date from him.
	She just downloaded Hinge and she'd had it for five days.
	She'd already been on three dates and then it was like a Wednesday.
	And then she's like, well, I have a date on Friday or Saturday.
	And I like, I immediately lost interest.
	Yeah.
	She's like, and she's like an average-looking chick.
	Yeah.
	Average, unremarkable.
	That's not the most of women, though.
	That's like a.
	I would say mature women.
	No, I mean, the thing is, she's probably not sleeping with them, though.
	I don't know about that.
	I would say though, sleeping or not going on that many dates is kind of counterproductive.
	I mean, yeah, something a little deeper.
	Yeah, I mean, that's that is, I think, an issue.
	Yeah.
	I'm not going to split.
	Oh, also, if she's late for the date, I ain't paying.
	How about that?
	If she's punctual, if she's ten.
	Well, you guys were an hour late.
	What are you going to pay?
	Traffic.
	Don't give a car accident.
	Don't give a fuck.
	The tire pop.
	What?
	Don't give a fuck.
	Damn.
	That's why I got pulled over.
	Don't give a punctual.
	No.
	All of that happened.
	No, I'm just saying.
	I don't pay things happen.
	Wait, but what if you're late?
	Are you going to pay?
	Well, I mean, that's the default.
	I'm almost of all the dates I've been on.
	I've maybe been late one time.
	Maybe one time.
	Did you pay for that date?
	I don't recall.
	I don't know.
	No.
	I'm super.
	I'm like with dates, though, I'd be super punctual.
	I always like to get there on time or even early.
	It's great quality.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	But if she's like 15 minutes late, it's a bad person.
	Sorry.
	Yeah.
	What if she warned you?
	What if she told you, oh my god, this.
	Sure, okay.
	So, yes, there's a courtesy thing.
	Like, it depends.
	What if she end up paying for the whole date for being late?
	That would actually, I'd be impressed.
	That's pretty honest.
	There's contrition there.
	There's like a you made up for that.
	You wouldn't feel like her character overall in the relationship.
	Would you accept it?
	Will respect.
	Yeah, he would.
	What are you saying right now?
	Yeah, I would accept it.
	No, I mean, I'm just curious because you guys don't want a woman that's going to.
	Brian is marrying a liberal woman.
	I don't know where the confusion is with that.
	Brian is never finding a traditional woman.
	That went out the window years ago.
	I wouldn't actual Kika.
	I wouldn't say that.
	I am saying that.
	I'm calling it as a fact.
	I will look you up in 10 years and we'll see where we're at.
	If you're married, it's not going to be to a traditional woman.
	It's going to probably be a traditional woman.
	In the same way that these OnlyFans girls are.
	They're not going to get a traditional man.
	Same way you're not going to get a traditional woman.
	Maybe I should have been a little bit more.
	Here's the difference, though.
	Here's the difference, though.
	Is that it is to some degree cope.
	Like this idea that, oh, they do OF.
	They're not going to be able to get a guy of this character.
	Actually, like a lot of these girls, they're still going to get the guy to fucking fall into his traditional gender roles, right?
	Now, I don't, again, I don't consider myself 100% traditional.
	For example, I don't want to get married.
	That's not traditional.
	Why don't you want to get married?
	Big L, big fucking L to get married.
	Especially as a guy in today's world.
	It doesn't matter after six, ten years.
	It doesn't matter after six, ten years.
	But so I'd consider myself somewhere in the middle, perhaps, when it comes to traditional, modern.
	I don't consider myself like the paragon of being a traditional man.
	You put in tax breaks?
	Huh?
	What's that?
	No tax breaks?
	Don't care.
	Don't care.
	They're not that bad.
	No marriage.
	I'm not going to care.
	Why?
	I'll get married if she makes if she has more money than me.
	Hello.
	Wow.
	Okay, so it's not.
	So in the state, I'm pretty sure in the state of California, I think it's like six years if you're together.
	You're talking about common law marriage.
	Yeah.
	I don't think California, I'm pretty sure, I don't think you have common laws.
	I don't think I would marry a man who's only like three states.
	Wait, you wouldn't marry a man?
	I would want to be making, I don't want to depend on a man for money, but I don't want to be with a man who doesn't have money.
	That's cool.
	Or marry a man who doesn't have money either.
	That's cool.
	And I don't want to marry a woman who doesn't have money either.
	That's cool, exactly.
	So I'll date.
	I'll have a long-term relationship with you, but marriage is out of money.
	So funny is you always say men don't care about how much a woman makes.
	I don't.
	It's not going to, it won't ever preclude me from having interest in a woman.
	But what I'm saying is, as a woman, if you want me to marry you, you got to be financially like, you got to make more money than me.
	So some men care about how a woman makes married or not.
	He's scared of a woman coming in and then divorcing him and robbing him for all his money.
	That's what I'm saying.
	There's also Green says, though.
	He says that there's rocks around this.
	He always says, men don't care about how much a woman makes.
	Men don't care about this and that, but you just said she needs to be financially stable and have this, that, and the third.
	men do care but i have okay that's i'm giving you a scenario the sole scenario where i would get money but But if a woman did it, like had a, I don't know, worked at Chick-fil-A.
	You would not date someone anyway.
	Yes, I would.
	He would date but not marry.
	Yeah.
	No, I would have a long-term relationship with her.
	What is it?
	See, what are you saying working at Chick-fil-A?
	Dating someone if you're not going to marry them.
	Like, what's the end of it?
	What's the point of getting married if you're not religious?
	Yeah.
	Are you not religious?
	I believe.
	I believe.
	But when it comes to marriage, and look, I think even devoutly Christian men have reason to fear marriage because here's the thing.
	Even though I think marriage is a substantial part of the Christian faith, another religion's faith, there are certain just secular potential road bumps when it comes to marriage, even for Christian men.
	Because if your wife at any point reserves the right to become an apostate, or even if she doesn't become an apostate, she can just change up and, oh, I want to get a divorce for whatever reason, whether she remains religious or not.
	And then she's going to go see a divorce attorney who, whether they're religious or not, is irrelevant.
	They're interested in siphoning as much money as possible from this.
	Because I don't know exactly, but perhaps sometimes they have an incentive basically to do as much work as possible and to perhaps get the most favorable outcome for their client.
	And then on top of that, the state oversees the divorce, not the religion.
	And so even for religious men, the state will ultimately oversee if your marriage doesn't work.
	The state presides over your marriage and divorce, not the state should have any involvement in that.
	Take it out.
	Take the state out of it.
	Take it out of it.
	Take it out of it.
	I greatly think the state should have some control over marriage.
	Wives.
	Maybe from the amount of women who, on the flip side, right, we're talking about women taking men's money from divorces.
	All the men who decide to leave their wives with their kids and go start a new family, a new life with their new family, and now their wife, who they married when she was 18 years old and knocked her up, who has no degree, no job history, has to be put back out in the world with her three kids in a one-bedroom apartment trying to funnel their lives.
	More common, men getting divorce raped or men.
	It's fine.
	Whatever.
	Whatever.
	That happening to men or men just leaving their partners who they've cherished and have children with.
	I mean, I've heard personal anecdotes that line up with both very simple.
	And just because statistics, because in divorce, you can get divorce statistics, that doesn't mean that the opposite isn't happening with non-divorce families, especially in certain demographics in certain cities in the United States.
	There is 100% influx of men that either go to jail or X, Y, and Z because of whatever government scheme that is targeting this demographic of people to be able to make their fathers go to jail, get caught up in drugs, and then now you have, you know, or they just leave and create another family, you know, but at the end of the day, you're creating fatherless homes and leaving the mother to be by herself with the children.
	Right, but I would argue that there's a lot more men who are experiencing the negative outcomes of divorce than there are men who are in otherwise happy relationships with their partners who have children and she stayed at home and he just, oh, let me just upgrade and find a hotter chick.
	That's pretty rare.
	And I've seen there's five children.
	No, look, it happens.
	I think it happens.
	It's the exception rather than rule.
	Do we live in a terrible, unfair world?
	Yes.
	Both are, is what I'm saying, though.
	I think that's why the state needs to be involved because there needs to be protections.
	Because what's worse?
	Okay, I know it is worse.
	I know it's really bad.
	Obviously, if she takes you for your money and you have to give her alimony or all this crap, but having to pay your ex-wife a monthly fee or kids going on the street because their fathers are divorcing their mothers and leaving them.
	Which one's worse?
	Which one needs more protection?
	Altruistically, yeah, you're right.
	But the fact is, a lot of these women aren't just like, how can I provide for my kids?
	It's like, I want as much money as possible.
	Which is unfair.
	Exactly.
	And it's vindictive.
	Like I said, the world is not fair.
	War exists.
	Murder is a thing.
	Crime is real.
	Like, I wish it wasn't.
	I wish it weren't the case.
	I wish that having more government would get rid of all of that.
	But it doesn't.
	Yeah, but I don't think the church could handle it either.
	Well, how about this?
	So there's a case to be made that in the scenario you provided where the woman disregards pursuing a career.
	She's stay at home.
	She raises a bunch of kids, right?
	So let's say in that scenario that, you know, 10 years down the road, they get divorced.
	Whoever initiates it, right?
	But let's say that man went on to make, without her assistance in any capacity, we acknowledge that, you know, in the household, she birthed the children, took care of them, et cetera.
	But she didn't help him in any way to go on and let's say he went on to become a millionaire, making millions of dollars a year.
	I think what would be fair in the case of alimony and child support, certainly if she initiates the divorce, whatever her earning potential would have been had she continued pursuing whatever career it would have been, I don't think she's entitled to some percentage of his million-dollar earning capacity.
	Whatever, if she was destined, let's say she never got married and she was predestined to become a hairstylist, whatever alimony.
	Okay, I don't know.
	She was going to be, she was going to work, she's going to make the average wage.
	She's going to go in the corporate world.
	Let's say she was going to make 60K a year, but her husband goes on to make millions of dollars a year.
	I do think what would be fair is there could be an argument that he has to compensate her what her what she would have been destined to make had she not been married for alimony.
	Yeah.
	As a man, why would you not want your kids to live an agreement?
	Exactly.
	She's going to have your kids most of the time, right?
	So whatever you get.
	Alimony, I completely agree, but child support, I feel like if you're a millionaire, as a man, you should want to be able to invest in your children to change.
	And that's why you married that woman.
	That's the mother of your kids.
	Well, second, I think it's different.
	I think it should be varying.
	If whoever initiates the divorce, that definitely should be in consideration unless there's proof of like infidelity abuse or other things like that.
	But if they're the one initiating divorce, that's completely different.
	So if she initiates the divorce and there's no abuse and no infidelity, she should get nothing.
	What do you think about that?
	She should get child support.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, because that was her choice.
	If she's just unhappy in the marriage, then that's her problem.
	Perhaps reasonable child support, but it's not.
	Most of the time in child support, they make it as low as they can.
	Child support, people, not many people, men are getting effed on child support.
	Most of the time, they like, even if your child support is $2,000 a month, daycare is $2,000 a month.
	It might seem like a lot, but having that child is always a lot more, especially the men who don't have their children at all.
	So that's one point to it.
	And then two, yeah, you should want better for your kids anyways.
	And then I had a third point, but I forgot.
	And not only that, some guys get away not paying child support because they're working off the books and they're making like sometimes $5,000.
	My coworker did it.
	He $35,000.
	I heard a minor who was getting paid under the table the past two years.
	I didn't even know it.
	They were helping him out so he wouldn't get his pay relinquished for.
	But shout out to the men that even if they do get paid under books and they don't want to go through court, but they still provide for their children.
	Absolutely, that's the dream.
	Yeah, why wouldn't you want to take care of your kids, right like?
	It doesn't make sense.
	You should like.
	Court should be the last resort option.
	Yeah, court should be last resort.
	I think, on average, most men are wanting to take care of the kids.
	In that scenario, in a divorce scenario, I think most men are like, I wish I had my kids.
	I want to take care of my kids.
	So in this terrible scenario where my wife is greedy and demanding all this money, i'm still going to do it because my kids are still going to be taken care of, and that's why I think, if she's initiating the divorce, that's usually where these problems come, where men are getting stripped from their money because women are just marrying and divorcing, marrying and divorcing which, which comes back to my original point.
	I don't think so.
	That's why I believe I don't think the government should be involved in this now.
	Is there gonna be somebody who takes advantage of that and kicks their wife out, puts them on the street maybe, but I think that's the exception like how most people aren't murderers, like how most people probably aren't violent criminals.
	Do they exist?
	Yes, it's terrible, but I generally think, in the scenario where a woman gets kicked out on the street with her kids, i'm very sure that somebody or some entity is going to come and try to help her out.
	I don't think I think society in general hates to see women and children suffering.
	Not really.
	Yeah, a lot of that.
	There's a fair gear.
	We're gonna switch gears here a little bit.
	So uh, i'm going through the Maddie switch up.
	Oh, we can pull that up really quick, do you have it?
	So we were talking about like, schools being indoctrination.
	So Maddie was in the school.
	This was my college success class that basically helps you um, we'll come back to it go ahead throughout college and it gives you a lot of good advice.
	But this is one of the assignments I came across and this was in a textbook.
	It's it's college success, like 101 or something.
	Yeah, and actually I used to personal development like and a lot of people take this class.
	Yeah, a lot of people.
	What's that?
	I've never heard.
	It's not.
	It's getting worse over the years.
	Girl, i'm telling you, I was cool like not that long ago.
	It's not required, but it's not required, but a lot of people okay, so it's not required.
	Easy credit yeah, I was like i've never heard sports.
	Wait, so can you read it, Maddie?
	Uh, so it basically gives you a list of more privileged individuals in the world and less privileged.
	Now, on the more privileged side, it says male white heterosexual, affluent and English.
	Inherently, those are all more privileged people than someone who is female, person of color Lgbt poor, Non-English.
	But that's the indoctrination that we're talking about.
	That's not fact.
	Inherently on average, on average in America let's not talk about other worlds in America on average, right?
	Why do we have rules and laws to protect females, people of color and LGBTQ community because they were less privileged?
	I think protection is one thing, but hold on oh no yes, it would be one thing if they were.
	I get the indoctrination.
	I do see it sometimes.
	I just don't think that's a good.
	This is at a piece of coffee.
	This is Santa Barbara CITY College Madison yes okay oh, I went to UCS, U CSB.
	That might be why I didn't see it UCS.
	I wasn't.
	No, I went to UCLA.
	I went to UCLA and the indoctrination, not just for gender roles and stuff like this, but for also things like Marxism like are you Marxist, Kiko?
	The indoctrination is absolutely insane.
	It's insane.
	It's insane.
	I think that was a good piece of that.
	It also doesn't have to be in the curriculum.
	A lot of people who are teaching it can just insert it.
	Right.
	Oh, for example, there's blah, That's true.
	Yeah.
	I've had both.
	Wait, pull it up one more time, Nick.
	It's also coming from a person who's a family.
	Who's the teacher?
	Is it a woman or a man?
	Privilege is a value.
	As a person who doesn't feel less privileged as a female and a non-white person, it just isn't.
	The only one I can agree with, the only one I agree with is the fourth one.
	Yep.
	Yeah.
	Poor.
	More affluent.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Of course.
	Right.
	Of course.
	On average, if we, why?
	Okay.
	I don't feel like I'm shocking.
	This wasn't the only thing that popped up.
	You're talking about if we, on average in America.
	Let's talk about male and white.
	Let's talk about those.
	Yes, white males are inherently more privileged than black women.
	Hold on.
	What do you mean?
	Let's start with males.
	Black women.
	The slavery was not even that long.
	Like, what are we talking about right now?
	Equity and equality.
	We literally have a woman out here saying that women should have the right to vote anymore.
	Do you know white people were slaves too?
	Do you know that?
	Oh my God.
	The Italians and the Irish.
	The longest stream of slavery every was Korea.
	It was like 1,500 people.
	People of color are still in that.
	Do you know what?
	Do you know what the word slave comes from?
	Do you know what it comes from?
	What are we talking about right now?
	Are we talking about America or we're talking about the world?
	I thought we were talking about America.
	In America, we were predominantly slaves.
	Black people.
	No, there were white slaves too.
	But who was predominantly the slaves in America?
	Well, I mean, there was also like black slave owners.
	Okay.
	Sure.
	Okay, why are we not answering?
	Why are we answering my question with somebody else?
	Clico.
	Cleco, listen up.
	I'd rather have Kuko.
	Cuco.
	Okay, Cuco.
	Cuckoo.
	You're the Cuckoo.
	You're the Cuckoo.
	Do you think we're tucked up?
	All right, goofy.
	All right, look.
	Okay, let's start with male.
	You said that males have more privilege than females.
	I said inherently.
	I'm not saying every single man born has privilege.
	What do you mean inherently?
	Like, do you want me to pull up the Google definition what the word means?
	I mean inherently, on average.
	On average.
	I'm not saying every single man, every single white man that is born has more privilege than me or whatever.
	Forget, forget white.
	Okay.
	Just male.
	I'm not saying every male has more privilege than me just from being born, but there is a step up that a lot of them are given.
	A step.
	Step up.
	Maybe when it comes to privilege, right?
	Even for example, my parents, right?
	My mom is a black woman.
	My dad is a white man.
	Dad's family?
	Millionaires.
	Mom's family?
	Addicts in East Oakland.
	Like, it's, I can go down the list of a lot of people I know, and that's just one example of.
	Cool, you have an anecdote.
	Okay, but that's like...
	Here, stick to mail.
	Stick to male.
	That's what, okay.
	Well, I'm saying my.
	All right.
	What if your dad was black and the poor one, and there were drugs involved?
	Well, that's.
	And your mom was right, white and affluent.
	Well, that's why they have white and they have male.
	You don't have to check off everybody.
	And I get what you're saying, but the issue is, is how do you decipher that?
	Because, for instance, I grew up very, very poor.
	So going into college, they automatically all assume and give a lot of resources to people of color.
	Yet they might have came from a background that was more financially supported than my background.
	Yet I had less help and resources available to happen for you.
	But in my school, it was all based on income.
	It had nothing to do with if you were black, white, this.
	It was just based on your income and if your parents had to be afraid of that.
	Holy fuck, shut up.
	Okay.
	Don't fucking tell me.
	Oh, because I'm not sure.
	No, because when I'm trying to redirect the conversation, you just continue yapping and yapping and yapping.
	She's yapping too.
	Tell her to shut up.
	No, but what's up?
	So at work the other day, I had this conversation with somebody.
	A Hispanic girl that I work with, or El Salvadorian to be specific, made a joke that she was getting her nails done and she loved watching a white woman work for her.
	Now, another girl that I work with, white, got really mad at this statement and said that it was kind of reversed racist, right?
	But she was using it as dark humor because I'm sure her whole life she heard that people loved watching Salvadorians or Mexicans or Spanish people work their ass off for white people.
	So she was using it as dark humor.
	What would you guys say about that?
	Or agree with or not agree with?
	I was told to shut up actually, so I'm gonna be quiet.
	No, because I feel like this is a really good conversation, and I feel like it is a continuing problem where as soon as people are held accountable for certain things, now obviously you have your extremes, people who take it a little too far on both sides.
	100%, you're always gonna have that.
	But like for her, I feel like she was just kind of making a joke because for generations she felt that.
	But she wasn't a racist statement.
	It's a racist statement.
	It's a reverse racist statement.
	Maybe if she like made a joke to her and was like, oh, haha, so funny, the roles are reversed.
	But for her to say something like, it feels good to have another ethnicity do this for me because of the historical dynamics of things, that is reverse.
	Yes, it's a racist statement.
	Okay, explain to me how males have privilege over women.
	I'm over it.
	What do you mean you're over it?
	I'm over it.
	You can't tell me to shut up while I'm talking and think I'm going to continue the conversation.
	We can talk about something else, but I'm not talking about this anymore.
	No, we are talking about it.
	Bro, every time you get like derailed into these side conversations, the reason I told you to shut up is because I've been trying to get an answer from you on this.
	But it's not a derailment.
	It's a part of the conversation.
	We were getting somewhere and I might have to do it.
	Right, but if I'm like coming in, if I'm coming in, I need you to yield to me so I can keep things fucking focused.
	Because if I wasn't even doing the bare minimum to keep things focused, bro, this conversation would just be all over the fucking place.
	Totally understandable.
	Okay, so answer the question.
	I'm okay.
	Nah, you're going to answer the question.
	Or what, Brian?
	Like, I don't have to answer it if I don't want to.
	People don't ask me questions all the time, and you move on to the next person.
	So you can move on and ask them what they do.
	Don't be butthurt because I told you that.
	I'm not shut up.
	I lost my whole train of thought.
	I lost everything I was speaking about.
	Let me read.
	Okay.
	Let me restate what you said.
	Let me restate what you said then.
	Let's go.
	You said that males are privileged over females.
	Inherently through history.
	Yes.
	Inherently through history.
	Okay.
	How?
	When they had the right to vote before we did.
	They had the right to own land before we did.
	They had the right to work before we did.
	Anything else?
	The fact that we had to earn a right to vote should say enough about how men are more inherently privileged.
	The fact that we've never.
	No, Okay, sorry.
	The fact that we didn't have it to begin with.
	The fact that we've only had, we've had, what, 49 presidents?
	What president are we on now?
	And they've all been male.
	Male.
	Oh, sorry.
	Apex.
	White male besides one.
	Apex.
	So it's things like that that show us the fact that these things even exist for a reason, which I get what you're saying when it's teaching you, oh, when I come in, I'm teaching, it's showing me that I'm so less privileged.
	First of all, that's a flaw of yourself because I've never seen those things and thought that way.
	I think if anything, it just brings attention to people who might not realize how much privilege they have just from the person they were born as.
	Some people don't realize that, and it does great justice for them to be able to recognize their privilege and use it for good.
	So it's not supposed to show people, oh, if you're black or a woman or gay, then you're just less privileged and you're screwed.
	I don't know.
	I don't know if we can reference history as an example for this.
	Why not?
	But what about today?
	Why did we not reference history?
	Because even still.
	I'll even engage.
	Wait, wait, wait.
	Let me come in.
	I will even fucking engage with you guys historically.
	I'm prepared to say that actually, even historically, men had it worse than women.
	And if you want to look at the apex, you want to look at the 1% of men who had power, fine.
	You want to look at the one less than 1% of men who had power.
	Cool.
	That's not about men and women.
	That's about who had power.
	If we're looking at the vast majority of men, the vast majority of women, I'm prepared to sit here and say, historically, I don't care how fucking far back you want to go, men have always fucking had it worse.
	How about that?
	Absolutely.
	So get the fucking money.
	No, Because for a lot of people.
	Women were pretty cost on the path to talk to.
	They had to stay in the house, all these rules.
	Women had to stay in their place, right?
	Men decided that.
	It's like now women want to.
	You can phrase it as poorly as you want to.
	But hold on, let Mason speak.
	Historically, hold up.
	No, if we're talking historically, women didn't actually want the right to vote.
	You talk about it now.
	Well, because they understood the privileged position they were in.
	A man provided for them to live, provided a place for them to raise a family.
	All they had to do was take care of the home, raise children.
	And they found that in extremely...
	I think that's not true.
	Sorry.
	Well, that's just for most of history.
	I feel like if that were true, women would not have ganged together to fight for rights like that.
	Oh, that's not true, though.
	Privileged, extremely wealthy white men pushed for women to have the right to vote.
	And when they would be in the middle of the if men don't want it, we can't have it.
	Thank you.
	Like what?
	No, because women didn't want it.
	It's only this reason.
	But the reason why it was able for us to get it is because white men wanted us to have it, so we got it.
	So what does that say?
	White men dictate.
	Because they're taking, yeah, because they can take advantage of this.
	There was a different motive than them just wanting women to vote behind them pushing women to vote.
	Because then all of a sudden, if they started, I'm just saying it only happened because a white man wanted it to.
	I'm prepared to make historical arguments.
	We can go back.
	Let's go back to the 1910s when women didn't have the right to vote.
	Let's laser in.
	And we were segregated and a bunch of other stuff.
	Let's go back to the 1910s.
	So women got the right to vote in 1918, I believe, or was it ratified in 1920?
	My years might be slightly off there.
	So would you prefer to be an 18-year-old man or an 18-year-old woman in 1914?
	18-year-old man.
	Really?
	Yeah.
	That's interesting because you know what else happened in.
	Can somebody fix that?
	Does this look in the middle of the day?
	You know what else?
	Did the pumpkins fill again?
	Okay.
	Whatever.
	You know what else happened in 1914?
	What?
	World War I.
	Okay.
	I would love to fight for my country if I was a man.
	That's.
	I'm literally a criminology and criminal justice major who's going to fight for my counties and serve them.
	So I think, yes, as a man, I would want to serve my country.
	It's not a privilege to fight in war.
	It's not a privilege.
	Yeah, I understand you're not saying it's a privilege to fight in war, but it's also something that us in our society, we have no grasp over.
	I don't have a grasp over it.
	I've never fought in war.
	I've never seen it.
	I mean, the closest thing I can say, I've seen a dead body, and it's not exactly the same thing you would assume it would be.
	It's a very different experience.
	But people who have come back from war, they know it's an extremely unprivileged position to have to fight, to have to go do that.
	And then, especially in their case in 1914, being forced to do so.
	Yeah, I would find it extremely difficult to say that in 1914, I would be more privileged to be a man than a woman.
	Now, I'm not saying I wouldn't go do it and I wouldn't go do it gladly to protect my country.
	100%.
	I would do that, but it wouldn't be a privileged position.
	What happened to free will?
	What do you mean, free will?
	All this privilege talk and everything.
	We live in America, the land of opportunity.
	Like, what happens?
	It's really free hard to have a good opportunity when, say, you're born from a crackhead.
	I mean, you work hard.
	You work hard.
	You work hard, but you were definitely placed.
	You have to work harder than someone who was born with a silver spoon.
	Here, if you're a family of silver spirits, I mean, it's more motivation.
	It's more motivation.
	Yeah, because there's a lot of people who are.
	There's a lot of children that come from affluent families that have no moral guide or purpose in this world because they've been given everything that them online.
	But that's fine.
	You can't say that someone who isn't born from an affluent family, who family is able to help them, maybe pay for their college, maybe get them their first car, versus someone who's born in, say, foster care or relevance.
	Stick to the fucking topic.
	We're going to talk about male privilege and female privilege.
	So here, bro, because you guys keep derailing the fucking conversation, we're literally like, it's totally derailed every single time.
	I'm going to write it for 20 minutes so that we can't talk about something that has, not that I don't love it.
	It was relevant.
	It pertains to relevant privilege.
	Brian was trying to hone in on male versus female privilege, and then we started talking about affluent crackheads.
	It's totally derailed.
	Maybe because it gets boring after a little while.
	We don't want to talk about it.
	And we're using hyperfungs and statistics to back up each other's things.
	Like, you're the only one tweaking out.
	Let me open it up to the whole panel.
	So, who's more privileged?
	Men or women?
	Men.
	Men.
	Speak into the mic, please.
	I don't know, honestly.
	Okay.
	It really depends on what aspect you're talking about.
	Yeah.
	True.
	I agree with that.
	It depends.
	Okay, those are really helpful answers here.
	I'd say men.
	Men.
	Okay.
	Mason.
	I would say in today's day and age, women.
	I agree.
	Honestly, I think I would say woman.
	Why would you say that?
	Because we have like pretty privilege.
	That's true.
	That's fair.
	That's well put.
	Based.
	Right.
	What about an ugly girl?
	Does an ugly girl have the same privilege as a beautiful woman?
	I guess not.
	It not matter?
	No.
	Okay, but I think ugly men versus attractive men.
	Obviously, attractive men have different privileges than an ugly man, but an overall, like when we mean umbrella staying like umbrella statement.
	Regardless if they're attractive or not, men have more privilege.
	But if you're an attractive woman, you can have privilege.
	But if you're an ugly woman, then what do you get?
	Yeah.
	Okay, so let's go, let's fast forward back to modern day.
	So if we're looking at the modern day, how do males have more privilege than women in totality?
	You can answer, Kiko.
	I'm tired of talking.
	You can talk.
	Go ahead.
	I'm tired of talking.
	Can we get some other?
	Well, I don't know if any of the girls want to weigh in on that.
	I don't either.
	Well, you were making the argument.
	I'm tired of every time I try to make my argument, I'm derailing, apparently.
	So I'm like.
	No, I'm asking you a direct question as the host.
	Start talking over here about crackhead babies pertaining to the conversation.
	But you see how I just asked you a question about the topic about male privilege and female privilege.
	I'm just thrown in on little words just because you're a white man and you want to focus on the man part when there was a lot of other details on that list.
	So I've also granted the same thing.
	He said the affluent thing was a perk, like was a privilege.
	Yes, I've already granted that.
	I've already told that.
	Why would that not be brought in?
	That's only one of the seven things that I listened to.
	Why was it being brought up then?
	He agreed with that.
	I'm saying it.
	You're beating a dead horse right now, is what I'm saying.
	We've already beating a dead horse.
	I'm asking you to provide evidence for how men are privileged over women.
	I think you're trying to say history doesn't matter, but it does.
	That's always going to be a framework of what we are dealing with.
	For 100 years, the vote is irrelevant.
	Has he been 100 years old?
	Vote is not just the only detail that's been laid out.
	It's been over 100 years.
	Yeah, that's what's that?
	Voting is not the only detail that's been laid out on the table.
	Okay, so articulate to me a right or privilege that men have that women don't.
	Perhaps it's granted by the government.
	can you think of any right that men have that women don't i told you i'm done talking about No, you're going to talk.
	I'm not.
	Especially if you're telling me I'm going to talk about something.
	I'm actually not going to do it.
	Here's the dominant disagreement part coming out.
	No, it's not happening.
	Learn to speak to me, and then maybe I will.
	Bro, you fucking rude.
	You're constantly rude, Kiko.
	To you, I'm really not, Brian.
	I'm actually pretty nice.
	Nah, you're pretty rude.
	You're pretty rude.
	When I had this whole, I had a girl screaming at me.
	I was literally just sitting here giggling, but I'm fucking rude.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	There's more than one way besides being like directly, for example, like if I'm trying to direct the flow of the conversation and you hear me speaking and you just continue babbling on about whatever unirrelevant topic it is, yes, that's rude.
	Especially when we say before the show, hey, if Brian's trying to like cut in and like redirect things, get things back on topic.
	Yes, it's rude.
	Okay.
	Everyone's been having sidebars the whole time.
	Well, I've usually sat and waited and didn't say anything.
	Second of all, it wasn't completely, it wasn't like I was having a sidebar conversation.
	We were still talking about what was going on and you didn't say, okay, you said, shut the fuck up, shut the fuck up, shut the fuck up, let's go over here.
	There's a certain way to do things, actually.
	No, because I'll try to cut in and you'll just keep talking and talking.
	No, you would, you don't.
	Like the other girls, I'll give them credit.
	If I start talking, they'll tend to yield, but you'll just like keep fucking going.
	Oh, baby fucking crackheads, blah, Like, I'm just getting that so out of context.
	Yeah, because during that statement, we were using hypotheticals.
	She was using a hypothetical just like you do when we're debating.
	It was irrelevant to the menu.
	No, we were talking about male.
	Because you were stuck on that, but nobody else wants to talk about that anymore, Brian.
	We're all moving past that point.
	No, you're not.
	We've already talked about it for 20 minutes.
	So why don't you just answer the question?
	Because I'm over the conversation.
	Well, I think you're actually just cowarding away from engaging in the debate.
	I think we've asked for evidence.
	I've never seen a lot about privilege.
	Not really.
	It's an umbrella statement, and that was part of privilege in the statement.
	I've asked for evidence of how.
	Solid.
	I feel like also most of the girls don't talk.
	Yeah, I'm trying.
	We're trying to debate something that was actually keeping the conversation going so it wasn't boring here.
	Yeah, thank you.
	I agree.
	I think what Brian was trying to do was trying to isolate one area of privilege and then possibly move on to the others.
	That's fine.
	We're saying it's taking too long.
	Like we've been talking about this for a good like 30 minutes.
	Well, the reason now we're having a meta conversation because you're being, you're, you're throwing a fit and you won't just actually.
	fit I find more entertaining than that boring ass conversation we just had or you could just engage in the conversation instead of having a meta conversation in the conversation engaging in the conversation would be if I'm asking you a question asking you to clarify your position instead of being like throwing a throwing a little temper tantrum you could just answer the question I feel like when everyone anyone is told to shut the fuck up or to answer a direct question especially with the demeanor that you did I would react the same exact way.
	I absolutely would.
	Because it is disrespectful.
	Thank you.
	And I understand talking over somebody is also disrespectful and interrupting them as well.
	But we were on topic and we were talking about stuff.
	The conversation was actually flowing.
	That's actually interesting.
	How about if you're instructed, if you're instructed before the show and you've been on the show, what?
	Five, six, seven times, and we provide pre-show instructions that says, hey, if Brian is trying to redirect the conversation, yield to him so he can get people back on point instead of you guys totally going off into fucking anywhere.
	Now we're continuing to have a meta-conversation, so just why don't you engage with the actual question?
	I'm good off this topic now.
	I'm good.
	You can't just say you're good.
	I can.
	I can't.
	I have free.
	So you're conceding.
	Okay, so then you're conceding the argument.
	Oh, God.
	You're just conceding the argument.
	Look, then I'll just make my point and you can just concede.
	So when it comes to male privilege, here's my position.
	Upon birth, males are circumcised.
	Most men, most boys, excuse me, in this country are circumcised upon birth.
	They have their genitals mutilated.
	That's an extremely strong argument for how immediately, where's this male privilege?
	They can't consent to it.
	And then, of course, I could bring up the draft forced military conscription.
	That's huge.
	And if we look at just the life outcomes of men compared to women, we can talk about homelessness.
	We can talk about self-deletion.
	We can talk about incarceration rates.
	We can talk about police brutality, police brutality, police killings, etc.
	Ironically enough, I feel like all of those things are also predominantly men.
	Ironically.
	Perpetrated by men.
	Yeah.
	So the whole point is, women, we get traumatized by other men or things get put onto us by men.
	Men, your issues, things that are getting put onto you are by other men.
	So what's the issue here?
	Which proves the point from the beginning.
	Wait, so it doesn't mean that the men who are getting attacked, but killed.
	So it doesn't matter.
	It doesn't mean that they don't.
	It doesn't matter because it's other men.
	They're not privileged.
	No one said that it doesn't matter because of that.
	All you're saying is that men are stronger, which is a biological fact that can't be remedied.
	It's a comfort steak.
	Yes, it smells like a snow.
	Oh my gosh.
	So what are we doing now?
	I don't.
	It's like wafting in terrible.
	It's cold in here, too.
	I know I had to put my jacket back on.
	I have a question then for the whole panel.
	Do you think that you can be sexist towards men?
	Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
	Why not?
	Yes.
	Absolutely.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Yes.
	Can you be racist towards white people?
	Uh, yeah.
	Ooh, can you come back to me on that?
	No.
	No, we can't come back to you.
	I'm actually really curious.
	I think you can be discriminatory.
	I think you could definitely be discriminatory.
	I don't consider it racism.
	I don't.
	I don't believe in reverse racism.
	So what's your definition of racism?
	Discrimination with prejudice behind it.
	You mean prejudice plus power?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Like, I it's you couldn't be racist towards a white person, is what you're saying.
	I could be discriminatory.
	I don't think I could be racist.
	You couldn't be racist.
	Yeah, I think it's discrimination.
	If I'm coming back, I'll come back.
	If a person of color was in a position to hire someone and they had personal biases against, say, white people and they didn't hire them based off of that, would that not be racism?
	Plus power.
	plus power um yes i guess Yes, it would be racism.
	I guess that would be racism.
	Yes.
	I'm trying to be open-minded.
	Like, I'm not trying to just be stuck in my shoes.
	If Barack Obama didn't want to hire a white janitor for the White House during his presidency because he was white, would that be racism?
	I guess so.
	You guess?
	I guess that would be a bit more.
	Like, you're not totally sure if the leader of the free world, one of the most powerful nations in the world, the president of the United States, didn't want to hire a janitor because he's white.
	Wouldn't the president of the United States be the one who has the almost that's the top of the hierarchy?
	I love how we've had like almost 50 presidents and you can only pick one, right, for a certain reason.
	Well, it's just that's why I'm like, I see those stances that I guess that is racism, but whenever I hear someone throw out reverse racism, it's not.
	It's discrimination.
	So that's why I am very wishy-washy on that.
	Okay, well, continue on.
	Can you be racist towards white people?
	I think so, yeah.
	Absolutely.
	Yes.
	Yeah, but I think it's a lot rarer.
	Like, it's more discriminatory than racism.
	I do agree with that.
	That's why I brought up the topic I did earlier.
	Okay.
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Wait.
	Oh, yes, you can't.
	Yeah, okay.
	Okay.
	Huh.
	That's interesting, Kiko.
	Isn't that almost racist to say that you can't be racist towards white people?
	That's what you want to call it.
	now is this a global phenomenon like what if i'm talking about I'm talking about America.
	We're talking about it in the U.S. America is so nuanced when it comes to race and everything because essentially we are such a big melting pot that we cannot talk about racism and this anything like that in America on the same scale as globally.
	So if a black person were to say that they hate white people, that in your worldview, that would not be racism.
	Overall, usually no.
	I guess I understand how that statement comes off as inherently racist, but it's because white people, well, black, okay, white person says, I hate black people, right?
	They'll go on, oh, because they're ghetto or this or they're that and that.
	I've only ever heard black people say, oh, I hate white people because of how they treat us.
	It's not they're like, I just hate white people.
	I can't like, I'm sure there are people who say that.
	I'm sure there is a black person out there who is like that, don't get me wrong.
	But usually it's not coming from an actual form of hate.
	It's coming from, what's that word?
	The hate from how they've been treated by that group of people.
	Because you have to remember, us black Americans, a lot of our grandparents, like they went through segregation.
	They went through all of this.
	It's not that long ago, so it's still very fresh in people's minds.
	Okay, so let's say a black person had one incident with a white person where this white person, let's say they physically assaulted them, right?
	But otherwise, they didn't really have any personal, You know, there were no familial racial encounters with white people that were negative, and they had one soul negative encounter with a white person where this white person physically assaulted them.
	Although it's not clear, let's say it wasn't because it wasn't provable that it was racially motivated.
	It just happened to be this white person physically assaulted them.
	Do you think that would be justified reason for the black person to say, I hate white people?
	If they got attacked by one?
	Sure, yeah.
	No, if you put any other race on that, but it's they're in their minds, they're not thinking they just got randomly attacked by a white person.
	They're thinking they got attacked because they're black and a white person just attacked them because they are black.
	But you were saying that, well, you were saying that it would be okay to be racist against white people based off of a black person's experience with white people.
	I'm not saying it's okay to be racist, but I'm saying I don't think a lot of it's not coming of a place of hate for the race.
	It's coming from a place of hate for what they've done to onto them.
	It's like hating your abuser or whatever it is.
	Like, that's where I'm saying.
	That's why I think it's.
	So let me ask you a question.
	Let's say there's a lot saying it's right if black people go out attacking white people because that, yes, that would be racist.
	That would be awesome.
	But that's the action.
	And that's what I was going to say: I feel like racism is a lot more of the action rather than the word itself.
	Because if you were to ask me if black people can be racist, I would say yes.
	I'm not saying that you can't be racist, but I'm saying not to white people.
	But with the examples given, I am starting to see a little bit, but I just, I don't, I don't know.
	I don't like everything being, I don't know.
	I can't put it into words anymore.
	All right, moving on.
	Let's try to get through some of these chats.
	Yeah, that one right there is highly interesting.
	Funny how women hate when men ask to go 50-50 on a date, but are perfectly comfortable with 50-50 and divorce.
	Well, that's actually a really good fucking point.
	Damn the poet.
	Thomas the poet.
	Oh, that's funny.
	That's a good point.
	I kind of like that.
	I need to write that down.
	I know that was such a good point, but just down, bro.
	Thomas the Poet.
	Fucking good one.
	I'm copy paste.
	Can I talk about it?
	Repeat it in the next episode.
	Copy, paste, copy, paste.
	Thank you, man.
	Can I have you read this one?
	Who means?
	Yeah.
	In the past, if a woman wanted to literally just survive on this planet, she had to be loyal to a man.
	History is not on the side of modern feminism.
	There is zero proof.
	Anything but patriarchy works.
	Mr. Akinite, thank you.
	Appreciate your message there.
	I have one for Kiara here.
	She loves to read.
	All of you have access to a high-value man.
	You just don't like him.
	Take a look at your DMs.
	Even you, Kitty.
	You know your ex isn't good for you, but you hooked up with him again.
	Also, Kiko, shut the fuck up.
	Damn, Jordan is on your ass.
	I must suck that I can speak for free and you have to pay to get a comment read.
	Huh?
	I know that upsets you.
	Meanwhile, flying out multiple women.
	Oh, is this like your ex or something, this guy?
	Oh, no, this is my friend Jordan since I was like 16.
	He's a high-value man.
	That's my friend Jordan since I was 16, and I guess he's considered a high-value man.
	How is he considered high?
	Because he makes a lot of money.
	Makes a lot of money.
	Is that where the list ends?
	Nick, did you showed the 50s, right?
	You guys were doing it.
	So many men think they're high value because they have a high bank account.
	Those are part of it, but it's not the whole.
	We do agree on some things, though.
	Some.
	But there's some that we disagree on.
	I love how all these super chats just keep proving our point, though, that men gave us a bad thing.
	You're wrong.
	No, they keep saying, they said, we wouldn't be able to survive without a man.
	Or that one says, oh, you took it away.
	Not that one, but it was saying how men, we gave you guys the right to vote.
	We provided that for you guys.
	We did this.
	Okay.
	Thank you.
	Maybe they got nagged into it.
	Who knows?
	They got nagged into it.
	Nickelodeon, is it racist or sexist for a black man to run around New York punching white women in the face, AOC, STFU, and go clean up your city?
	That has nothing to do with racism.
	That is you, red pill manosphere.
	Not red pill, but what are they called?
	Incels.
	That's the incel movement.
	What evidence do you have for that?
	I mean, an incel movement?
	The fact that they are racist.
	Why are you saying you?
	No, the fact that New York City is a trash heap is because it's run by Democrats.
	No correlation to what we were talking about.
	A lot of engaging with the comments.
	Yeah, not derailing.
	And a lot of toxic man-hating feminists believe in whatever ideology you believe in and are in the universities and are in the universities where they actually have influence over the world, aside from my podcast, which really has very minimal impact compared to the fucking destruction that university indoctrination is doing, which is you go, you know, the endowments for these fucking universities is like, I don't know if it's in the billions, but in the hundreds of millions of dollars,
	and they're all teaching feminism, and you think I have fucking influence?
	There's a fucking major university.
	There's hundreds or if not thousands of universities in this country with hundred million dollar endowments pushing feminism and me with my fucking podcast in Santa Barbara, California is doing bad shit.
	I don't know about that.
	Checkmate.
	One causes violence, the other doesn't.
	That's all I'm going to say.
	You don't think feminism has fucking destroyed?
	You don't know about that?
	Incels causing violence?
	We're in I Live Instagram, are we not?
	Oh my God.
	Okay.
	Incel warrior came from here.
	I've been wanting to go do a little like tour or something.
	Talking about what causes more damage.
	Oh, feminism wanting to power to the coochie versus kill all women.
	I don't know.
	Which one is more girls?
	They're both extreme.
	Kill all women.
	They're both extremes, right?
	Kill all women.
	Kill all women.
	No, no, no.
	Actually, the hashtag is kill all men.
	Oh, my God.
	Yeah.
	Let's talk about, we're going back to words having power, which is actually able-bodied and not able-bodied to commit.
	It's the same coin, different size.
	Who has the absolute...
	First, I'm not saying that that's correct.
	I don't think there should be a kill all men hashtag.
	But who has the capacity?
	Do women have the capacity to kill all men or do men have the capacity to kill women?
	Which one seems more plausible or possible to you?
	Well, realistically, if men are just going to kill men.
	Well, thank you.
	No, regardless of our conversation here, men are still going to be the stronger sex physically.
	So inherently, that's a privilege.
	It's just in regards to strength, yes, I can give you men have a privilege, but strength also requires your necessity to protect those who are not as strong.
	So in that case, women are privileged because they get men to protect them.
	Take the microcosm of a woman experienced some kind of violence.
	So say a woman's walking down the street and gets attacked by a man.
	Generally speaking, if there are men in that vicinity, they will step in to protect that woman.
	Vice versa.
	I don't think genuinely speaking, we've seen men just stand up.
	Am I in New York?
	Today's going to stand up.
	Men are taught now to not do that because they can get injured while helping.
	I've literally said, that's why we don't have to do that.
	I've seen the opposite as well.
	Maybe that's a, are you from the South, you said?
	I'm from all over the place.
	West Coast, they're not, men are not jumping to help us.
	That's probably because feminism is so prevalent.
	I thought you were strong, independent women.
	You don't need, you don't need to depend on men.
	Maybe if feminism wasn't so prevalent in these Western areas, they'd be more like the South.
	So men here don't protect us because we're feminists?
	No, it's because they're feminized.
	Feminized.
	So, yeah, I mean, men naturally protect those who are weaker.
	And, I mean, that's a product of patriarchy, which is a good thing.
	Patriarchy protects women.
	It's the dismantling of it that hurts everybody.
	Bring the patriarchy back, I guess.
	What would that look like for you guys?
	You don't know.
	You don't want to know what my authority is.
	Did it always say that, like, that patriarchy is what we need is not working.
	So, like, what would that look like for you guys?
	Are we not feeling right?
	Like a patriarchy?
	I don't know what.
	Like, I understand feminism has a really stronghold on society right now.
	But, like, in general, like.
	Well, feminism, in essence, it is taking leadership away from men and putting it in the hands of women.
	Why is that such a bad thing?
	Because it produces negatively looked upon.
	Well, because men are natural leaders because of their dominance, because of their strength.
	They're naturally born for the position.
	Not saying that women can't have certain masculine attributes, but on average, men have the capability to do so.
	And if you look in history at female leadership, so like say female monarchs, they are over like violent.
	They are more responsible for starting wars.
	They start wars at a higher rate than male leaders.
	So it's like they have to overcompensate for their femininity, like making bad political moves, bad leadership moves to try to overcompensate for their femininity, which is not okay.
	So generally speaking, men just make better leaders, and better leaders make better societies.
	I think it's because women are very emotional, they're more tend to be more emotional and think emotionally.
	I agree.
	And honestly, we need people like that.
	Well, yeah, everyone has their place.
	Men have their job as leaders.
	Women should have their job as nurturers, as providing the emotional spice of life.
	Like, honestly, life would suck without women.
	Would you want to be a woman?
	In myself, no, because I'm a man, I have that desire to be a man.
	Regardless of all that, God made me a woman.
	Yeah, because there would be benefits to it.
	But would you rather be a woman?
	If you had a choice, like from birth, to be a man or a woman, what would you choose?
	You too, Brian.
	I honestly could, I don't care.
	You don't care?
	You don't care?
	Interesting.
	No.
	Because both have their merits.
	Right now, if I was thinking perfectly pragmatically, I would say a woman.
	Would you want to be a woman, Brian?
	I'd want to be a man.
	Okay.
	You could still be aware of that.
	Although, I think it's a difficult question to answer.
	And maybe we should have the women answer this question, too.
	But I feel like you would have to have had the experience of.
	Yeah.
	Like, it's hard for me to say.
	Because, like, if we were born women, like, would we want to be women?
	I don't know.
	It's a hard question to answer, but I mean, yeah.
	What about you guys?
	Would you.
	I would want to be a woman.
	It's way harder to be a man.
	You'd prefer to, you'd want a big PVC.
	A PVC.
	Oh, my gosh.
	I think, Kiko, like, I will give it a beginning.
	I would want to be a man.
	I don't want to do my hair.
	I don't want to do my makeup and I don't want to get my nails done.
	Hold on, Kiko.
	I'm giving you a compliment, Kiko.
	If you were a dude, you would have a huge one.
	Oh.
	You'd have a giant cock.
	Thank you, Brian.
	That's like the weirdest compliment.
	I really appreciate that.
	But it is a compliment, right?
	I have big dick energy.
	You've got big dick energy.
	Yeah.
	She'd have a giant fucking camera.
	Cut it there.
	Like a tripod, dude.
	You'd be fucking slamming it.
	Getting in the chat excited.
	Huge.
	It'd be huge.
	Now the trans questions are going to just be skyrocketing through my DMs.
	I see it now.
	You know who else would have a big cock?
	Okay, hold on, never mind.
	Tate.
	No.
	Oh, that's what you're going to say.
	She would have a big cock for some reason.
	I don't know.
	Like, just a massive one.
	Why?
	I don't know.
	Because you want to reproduce so bad.
	Sure.
	That's a genetic crate.
	I don't know.
	Did you know why penises are shaped like a mushroom?
	To scoop them.
	Oh, I know.
	I saw that.
	I just saw that.
	And I looked it up and it was actually great.
	Yeah, it's true.
	I thought they were bullshitting, but it's kind of gross to be scared.
	I don't get, though.
	That doesn't make sense to me.
	It kind of makes.
	It doesn't make sense.
	Like, they're having sex that close together that it's scooping out.
	Yeah, I don't understand that.
	And also, like.
	I can't explain that because it's dark.
	What is it scooping out?
	It says agent time scoops out other men's semen so they you have a better chance of getting her pregnant.
	But I'm like, after five minutes, like if it's if you're up there, you're up there.
	And like, how quickly are we doing this?
	Like, I don't know.
	Wait, do we go around the table on the man or woman?
	A man or a woman?
	I would definitely rather be a woman because it's like fun and easy.
	I would.
	That's a really great question.
	I definitely love being a woman, but I personally think I would rather be a man because the mindset that I have is needed in today's society in men.
	You'd also have a giant cock.
	I feel like I have a man's mindset.
	Huh?
	I feel like I have a man's mindset too, but like I don't have to be a man.
	You don't have a man's mindset.
	Society meets the moment you don't.
	You're a person.
	Not a word out of your mouth has.
	Wait, would you rather be a man or a woman?
	You were a woman.
	A woman.
	You were a woman.
	A man, for sure.
	You'd rather be a man?
	A man.
	Imagine just waking up.
	I really enjoy being a woman.
	Okay.
	Right.
	How do you have diagnoses so annoying?
	And when you get comfortable, we should do a pronoun check right now.
	What's your pronouns?
	What are your pronouns?
	I don't use pronouns.
	Zerzerza.
	She, her, she, her.
	That bitch.
	I don't play that foolish game.
	Everyone.
	She doesn't play the game.
	When you do that, you make it a bigger deal than it actually is.
	like it makes it seem like you care more than you should if you didn't care you could just be like well i know i oh I think it's an important issue.
	That's why I give that answer.
	I think it's important.
	Oh, okay.
	Okay, no, that's it.
	So I have like three or four more things, then we're going to wrap up here.
	So does body count matter?
	Yes.
	For a guy or a girl?
	Okay, let me change it.
	Do you object, or do you think it's insecure for men to care about a woman's body count?
	No.
	No?
	I don't really know.
	I don't think I should have a say because I'm a virgin.
	You're a fucking liar.
	You're a fucking liar.
	I don't think she is.
	I don't believe it.
	If you are truly a virgin, you have the most, like, you have, you should have the strongest opinion.
	Like, your opinion should be most valued.
	Why?
	But she's not like a virgin because it's like virtuistic to her.
	I think she's just a virgin because her boyfriends are on Discord.
	No, I'm just making the point that you are in the position to say.
	Oh my God.
	Yeah.
	My e-body count.
	Oh my God.
	Would you be a virgin if you met up with them in real life?
	Wait, what?
	Would you still be a virgin if you got to meet them in real life?
	I don't know.
	Wait, hold on.
	Wait, what?
	I just got a DM from somebody saying they know you.
	Wait, who?
	I have a DM from some guy saying that you're not a virgin.
	Wait, what's the problem?
	Do you want to fess up before?
	Do you want to fess up?
	Wait, what does fess up mean?
	Like, no, they're bullshitting.
	Wait, they said I'm not a virgin?
	Who is it?
	I don't know if I should say who, but.
	No, say it.
	I got some intel.
	I'm getting a little bit of intel.
	if yo if anybody of any homies of hers are watching and you got some intel that she's not But okay, fine.
	Whatever.
	You're virgin.
	Okay.
	I want to know what it says.
	Wait, question.
	But like, so you've done nothing.
	You've done nothing.
	Like, oral sex, no oral sex?
	Oh, yeah, I have.
	Oh.
	All right.
	Anal?
	No.
	No.
	Hoop loop.
	Wait.
	Because some girls will like not claim a body if it was like just the tip.
	Has there been just the tip?
	No.
	Are you looking at me?
	I really believe her.
	I usually don't believe her.
	Wait, so why?
	Like, are you waiting until marriage?
	No, I just don't find any interest in that.
	And I feel like I would want to have sex with somebody I'm comfortable with.
	And I feel like getting close to somebody in real life is really exhausting.
	And I would rather just be chilling at home on Discord having e-sex.
	I really find that way more thrilling.
	She found the loophole to keep away body count.
	Yeah, really.
	Okay.
	The real loophole.
	Wait, body count.
	Do you think it's insecure for men to care about body count?
	No, but I also don't think that that's necessarily like something adults like you, like you really, you're gonna ask your your girl because you're gonna get disappointed, not necessarily wait, so you is, is your argument.
	Ignorance is bliss yeah, but I I don't think it's insecure to care.
	I think it's, it's valid to care, but you'd be dis, you'd you're saying a lot of men would be disappointed by the answer.
	Yeah okay, I mean, I don't think you're wrong.
	Yeah, I agree.
	Yeah no, I don't think it's insecure.
	No, you can skid into the table a little bit, that might help.
	We're kind of like it's all fucked up okay, all right.
	That's why we're staggered now.
	Um no, I don't think it's insecure.
	Um no, not insecure.
	Nope well okay, going around the table, what's everybody's body count, starting with Madison over here?
	If you know, you know, I know your body count.
	I think I saw a clip of.
	If you know, you know, I saw it with your dad.
	You did so, did I?
	Yeah, this is the last time I'm saying it.
	What?
	Why I'm in a relationship.
	Well you, but you said it so many times already, the ship.
	Yeah exactly, exactly so, if you know, you know well, please don't screenshot that okay, because I was.
	They're gonna say oh, Brian's doing the Roman salute.
	I was doing like a don't keep doing it no I'm doing a gesture I'm doing a freaking like a cat man I don't know I'm very I'm expressive with my hands okay I did it with you so we're gonna wait you said this is your last time okay eight Mason?
	Yeah, zero.
	Yeah.
	I said it last time.
	No, but okay, come on.
	I played the fifth.
	Wait, but if you are, you already said it last time, just say it.
	15.
	I'm not saying it.
	Did you say it last time?
	Nope.
	Range?
	Do you want to do range?
	Nope.
	Less than 10, more than 10?
	I don't know.
	I don't know.
	You don't know?
	Hold on.
	Lost count?
	Hold on here.
	You don't know.
	No, I don't.
	Okay, give us: is it more than 10?
	Yeah, but I don't know.
	Like, oh my god.
	Wait, scoot into the table a little bit if you can.
	Like, I'm stuck in the middle of the day.
	Okay, just that's fine.
	That's fine.
	Wait, so more than 20?
	No comment.
	More than 30?
	No comment.
	But I did lose track.
	Like, I don't know the exact number.
	And you're, wait, you said you're 19, right?
	Wait, so more than 10, but you don't know.
	Correct.
	Is it over 100?
	No.
	Is it between 50 and 100?
	Crazy work.
	I don't think so.
	So below 50?
	I don't know.
	And you want guys to pay for first dates?
	Yes.
	Ooh, that's a tough sell for me, boys.
	You don't like some guy, like, everyone has a pass, so I don't know.
	I feel like evidence to the contrary.
	I feel like I don't know.
	Territory is like over 20.
	You don't keep a list?
	You don't have a list?
	I deleted my list.
	Out of sight, out of mind.
	Wait, so maybe it's a little too low.
	So hold on.
	How much was it at when you deleted it?
	I didn't count.
	I was like, I just, I was like, man, I don't need this list.
	Oh, my God.
	Wait, so you might not know the exact number, but if you had to take a guess, I don't want to do that.
	You got this.
	You got this.
	This is a safe space, okay?
	Nobody's going to judge you.
	This is like the girls.
	It's like the girls hang out.
	No, no comments.
	Just with the girls.
	I'm going to leave it at.
	I'm going to leave it at that.
	I lost count.
	You're better at saying a number than that, if I'm being honest.
	Yeah, I think it'd be safer for you to maybe say a number.
	Yeah, for real.
	I don't know the number, though, so I don't know.
	Because people are going to be like, people are going to be.
	That's like 75 to offer.
	Multiply it by three, and that's the real number.
	Can you was the delete?
	When did you delete the list?
	Like last year.
	Last year.
	Have you added to the list since?
	No.
	So you've been, wait, you've been celibate?
	There is no list.
	No, like, have you slept with more people since you deleted the list?
	Yeah.
	Duh.
	Can you undelete?
	Is there like a thing where you undelete?
	Recently deleted for notes.
	No, but it expired.
	It probably expired.
	Like 30 days.
	Yeah.
	30?
	What?
	Do you think 30 is like decent?
	What do you mean by decent?
	Like, is that a decent guess?
	Is it accurate?
	Sure.
	You think that's like around where it is?
	Probably.
	Yeah.
	Bro.
	Bro.
	Good times.
	I don't know, man.
	If a girl has a forgot her body count, 50 body count, 30 body count, she wants me to pay for a first date.
	She's experience.
	What?
	That ship has sailed.
	You know what I love, though?
	What?
	This is a great example.
	I could have used you podcasts ago.
	When you guys always say one of the main reasons you give, we like younger women because we like them with less bodies and less experienced.
	Well, what was my point exactly?
	That don't mean shit.
	She's a person who's not that promiscuous.
	She's not going to be at 18 versus 28.
	If a girl's promiscuous, she's going to be it since the time she could.
	Your argument sort of fails because what's her body count going to be at 29?
	It doesn't matter though.
	Like, it's still her.
	That's still her.
	So why would you want to be with her?
	Even if she only collected eight eggs before she met you, she was trying to, you know, rally up as much as she could.
	That's still her personality and the woman she is.
	What?
	That's not a bad thing.
	You're a sexual woman.
	You do OnlyFans.
	I'm not trying to just like rack up my bodies though.
	If you're 19 with around 30 bodies and you do OnlyFans, it's not like you're just doing it to like, oh, you're just fucking whoever, but you're a promiscuous woman.
	Yes, you are.
	I never said it was 30 and I never said I was racking my trying to get you 19 and don't know what your body count is.
	Well, yeah, I don't need to keep track.
	Like, I'm young.
	It's not something that's hard to keep track of.
	Like, usually it's like, you know, I don't know.
	I just like how naming like 30 people or however much it is is like crazy.
	You don't think that's crazy?
	That's a real number.
	I'm all for doing what you want to do, but I'm going to be the first to tell you that is a little crazy at 19.
	For a man or woman.
	I'm not just saying as a woman, like that's.
	Well, I never said it was 30.
	I'm just.
	And Kiko, she's been with men and women.
	Okay.
	Well, you could have had like a weight raiser body count.
	It's not.
	If I was a man, I feel like I genuinely wouldn't care about body count.
	Like, and I'm being like so honest.
	Like, I'm trying to like see, like, put my, like, myself in like a man's shoes, and I feel like I wouldn't care.
	You wouldn't care.
	There's men that says that.
	Okay, fair.
	Which really, SCD tests should matter more than if you had like some diseases, like, that would matter.
	Or like, if you ever have, like, I'd be like, okay.
	Like, even as a woman, I care.
	Like, he doesn't, he doesn't have to be virginary, but yeah, I don't want a man who's slept with all of Santa Barbara.
	Like, I have a comment.
	If your body count over 30, you can't be asking men for first to pay for first dates.
	I don't know why.
	I thought you were going to rise back.
	Oh, no.
	Wait, let's go around the table, get everyone's answer on this.
	Body count?
	I'm not disclosing that.
	Range?
	Do you want to do range?
	No, I'm in a relationship.
	I'll tell you, I've been in, you know, four long-term relationships.
	I'll tell you that.
	Zero, but my e-body count is like definitely over like 100.
	What the?
	Damn.
	I think that's still not ideal.
	So you've had like E-sex?
	DJ.
	Do they pay for that or is it just for fun?
	Just for fun.
	They don't pay you at all?
	No.
	She's probably been paying you.
	People probably would.
	Why wouldn't you all prefer to be a bad person?
	And these are, you've done it with over 100 dudes?
	You should probably ask them to pay you.
	Oh, I should, huh?
	I should start charging for it.
	Damn, what the fuck are you doing?
	It's weird because she charges for just photos, but doesn't charge for the e-sex.
	Kiko, what about you?
	One.
	Shut the fuck.
	I'm in a relationship.
	I don't.
	You've admitted it before.
	Isn't it like 14 or something?
	Definitely not.
	It's under 10.
	I'm pretty sure.
	It's under 10.
	I remember it's under 10.
	Yeah.
	What about you?
	Five.
	Oh.
	I believe her.
	She's only down the career path she is because of her fiancé.
	So she knows her relationship.
	She's a relationship, too.
	So remember that.
	For six years, like, I've only been with five people.
	And she does OnlyFans with her fiancé.
	She does OnlyFans.
	And she wouldn't be on OnlyFans if it wasn't for her fiancé.
	So who knows the type of woman she was before she met him.
	So I agree.
	And I literally.
	If men care about a woman's body count, because this is a tweet that you guys didn't bring up that I had tweeted out before.
	But in my opinion, the equivalent of a woman's body count is the hours of porn watched by a man.
	That is not the equivalent.
	It is because the basis that they go off of about women's body count is it.
	What's the conversion?
	Yeah, what's the conversion rate?
	Like one hour of porn?
	I don't know what the conversion rate is, but let me answer her question based off of psychology.
	So a man cares about a woman's body count because psychologically and hormonally, potentially, it disrupts your pair bonding ability, right?
	So that's on a psychological level.
	Well, the same thing happens to men when they watch too much porn.
	So the same exact extent.
	I don't know.
	I don't, it's possible because there's men that struggle with erectile dysfunction because psychologically they're overstimulated with porn and now they can't pair bond with a woman appropriately.
	So I don't know what the exact conversion is, but that is, it's not a counter argument.
	It's more of a supplementary argument.
	But, you know, because men are very hype on women and women's body counts so much, my argument or rebuttal back is: you're valid in that.
	You're valid to care about a woman's body count, but how many hours of porn have you watched?
	At first, I thought you were crazy for saying that, but after you explained it, that's a valid point.
	It's kind of shocking.
	I don't think this woman cares much about what men do, though.
	I don't think she's talking about if you care as much or not.
	It's just the psychological basis of the statement.
	What it does to you.
	Like the fact of it.
	Yeah, no, I agree.
	I think watching porn is terrible.
	It can, like you said, erectile dysfunction and stuff like that.
	I have no problem with a man caring about a body count as long as his isn't through the fucking roof.
	Like, just be on par.
	I'm not saying it has to be the exact same as mine.
	There's definitely, I think, men are kind of allowed a little bit more.
	But yeah, don't be caring about what my body count is, but then you've slept with all of Ala Vista.
	Like, that's not going to fly.
	I agree with that.
	Do you guys care about body count?
	I do.
	A man's body count?
	Not really.
	It depends.
	Like, I don't care what the number is, but I also don't want a man that is literally like a whore.
	Yeah, like ran through.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Like, like, because to me, that says all he cares about is getting like pussy all the time.
	And that's very unattractive.
	Like, I don't want to be in the club with multiple other women who've been with my man.
	That's weird as hell.
	Right.
	That's just weird.
	Walking by past people and they slept with my guy.
	Like, that's.
	I like randoms, like, random.
	We know.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Like I said, don't go outside.
	Like, you said he's on the phone with you right now in LA.
	Yeah, we know.
	How does that happen?
	Wait, so why don't you meet in person?
	We probably will.
	I think we will.
	Where does he live?
	Yeah, we're.
	I'm not trying to dox him.
	What the fuck are you doing?
	Doxing him?
	We have no idea his name, face, anything.
	Los Angeles.
	Oh, yeah.
	Which of the 10 million people?
	But does he live in America?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	I hope it works out with you.
	Oh, my God.
	Thanks.
	Sometimes I do face.
	No.
	Like this one, you haven't seen his face or anything?
	No, I have.
	I know what he looks like.
	Do you really know what he looks like?
	No.
	I feel like Discord is.
	But I kind of like that too.
	He probably doesn't.
	It's kind of like, I feel like guys look so fine in Shysimas, like not knowing what they look like.
	Discord, you don't show your face or something?
	No, you don't show your face.
	How?
	I have to read a super chat.
	Jordan says, we do care about women's body count.
	Can you pull it back up?
	Bring her back up.
	I think I will.
	You want to jump around the table if you believe in femme cells or not?
	What?
	In what?
	In femme cells?
	In femme cells.
	No, I believe in fat cells.
	I do.
	I believe in fat cells.
	Fat cells are real.
	Fat cells are real.
	Yeah.
	You're right.
	I think the femme cells are fat cells usually.
	I have no idea what you're talking about.
	Femme cells are like the female version of incels, right?
	He's asked if he believed it.
	Wait, what did you think was a fat cell?
	Fat cell?
	I'm not talking about like fat cells.
	Oh, that's what I was saying.
	No, I'm talking about fat cells, like fat women online who think that every man needs to date them or they're fat phobic.
	Yeah, dad's fat.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Yeah.
	No one has to be attracted to you.
	Not saying you're not beautiful for being a bigger woman, but just because a man doesn't want to be with you doesn't mean he's fat phobic.
	It means maybe he's not attracted to you.
	Yeah.
	So that is you said that men are pieces of shit.
	Yeah.
	Why?
	Disavow.
	I don't know.
	You don't know?
	No.
	They just are.
	All men?
	Most men?
	Most men.
	Yeah.
	What's made me?
	I don't know.
	They just have piece of shit mindsets for some reason.
	Like, I don't know.
	What's a piece of shit mindset?
	Well, I don't remember why I said that, but there was definitely a reason if I...
	Are you talking about your Discord boyfriends?
	Or your ex?
	I don't know.
	Because I'm like, I'm talking about your exes, then those are not.
	Men aren't shit.
	Boys are shit.
	Those are little boys we're talking about.
	Yeah.
	You agree with the statement, so why?
	Forget the context in which it was said.
	Just why do you think that?
	I don't think all men are pieces of shit, but they're definitely.
	Yeah, most.
	And like, it's definitely easier for a man to be a piece of shit.
	Like, this just like naturally.
	It's what?
	Naturally what?
	They're just naturally pieces of shit.
	Men are naturally.
	They're just old sexist statement right there.
	I don't care.
	You heard it here, folks.
	You heard it first here, folks.
	Did you have a brother?
	Yeah.
	Is he a bad guy?
	He's a piece of shit, yes.
	Really?
	Yes.
	Did you say you're in touch with your dad, or I forgot your answer exactly?
	Is he a dad?
	No, he's not a piece of shit.
	I love my dad.
	How many brothers do you have?
	Just one?
	He's a little, he's my little brother.
	How old is he?
	Like 12.
	You're saying, hold up.
	So that's why he's a piece of brother.
	Because he's 12.
	Your 12-year-old brother is a piece of shit.
	Wow.
	That's pretty brutal to say about your 12-year-old.
	You know what?
	Hey.
	I guess I can.
	Do you think he's watching the podcast?
	Bro, his friends probably are.
	They're going to send it to him.
	My brother's friends do that.
	Yo, shout out.
	Your name's Aurora.
	Your name's Aurora.
	Yo, Aurora's a little bro.
	You're a fucking legend, dude.
	Don't let your big sis over here fucking bully you.
	He would say the same shit about me, though.
	He would probably say words.
	I want you to show this fucking clip to your fucking homies in junior high school or whatever the fuck you're at.
	I don't know.
	Just go do a kick flip or something or whatever it is 12-year-old boys are doing.
	Listen, don't listen to your sister.
	Okay?
	You're a fucking legend.
	You're not a piece of shit.
	And do you live with your fam still or not?
	No.
	Next time you see her, punch her in the ovaries for me.
	Just go back to her.
	Oh my god.
	I'm kidding.
	It's a joke.
	Don't punch her in the ovies.
	Makes fun of me for it.
	I'm going to say what's his opinion on it.
	Just, you know.
	I'm kidding.
	It was a joke.
	I wonder if you think his friends are subject to it.
	Don't punch her.
	I'm not advocating for her.
	My friends think I'm cute.
	He told, like, they're not even though I'm not.
	Fucking subscribing then.
	Fucking Justin.
	Don't punch her in the ovaries.
	You have to be 18 to sign up for her.
	You do, but they don't check it.
	We probably should have been.
	Are you 18?
	Check.
	Yes.
	Wait, so why are you crazy?
	Why are men pieces of shit, though?
	Why are men pieces of shit?
	Okay, they're not pieces of shit.
	I don't want to elaborate because I'm bad at that.
	I'm just a woman.
	I'm just a woman.
	What does that mean?
	You're just a woman.
	I'm just a woman.
	I don't want to elaborate.
	Like, song.
	She gets the pass.
	Such a privilege.
	I'm just a girl.
	It's a good song.
	I mean, I like Gwen Stefani, sort of, kind of.
	That's what that is.
	I was wondering.
	Why do I have three cups?
	Okay, we have to get through her notes and then Kitty's notes.
	So, notes.
	Both of you have had car smash incidences.
	We'll start there.
	So, starting with Kitty, I think that's last time.
	Did we?
	Well, whatever.
	Yeah, that was the one from last time.
	So, Kitty over here with the pink hair.
	Nick, could you play the video in the media player?
	Able to go F11 or no?
	One thing I have to say: since everyone asked this, I did not cheat.
	This was you?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, you can play it.
	This is what he did to her car.
	Good times.
	He really liked you.
	That looks like my ex, and then we did ended up re-hanging out because I was hoping he was going to do the right thing and maybe throw me some money towards my car.
	And we were hooking up again for about a good three weeks.
	Right.
	And yeah, he went to fucking hang on someone like a couple, like literally like a couple days after.
	And then I told this chick again.
	And the reason that happened is pretty much that's what happened last time.
	Like he was living with me and then tried to like smash another girl trying to kind of like get him a place to live.
	Good times.
	So I did not cheat.
	That's what happened.
	Second time with talking to him.
	We're not going to go back again.
	Not going to do it.
	He really, he literally told me to delete all our photos, say that we never dated, and to sign an NDA for him to get me to get the money for what he did to my car.
	So we're done with it.
	The money's lost, right?
	We're not.
	Why are you not answering yes?
	I have been trying to.
	Girl, man.
	You can't speak.
	I can't.
	You can't speak.
	But I'm glad you're trying to help.
	Girl.
	Ask her her situation.
	My situation is not that good.
	We'll get to that in just a sec, though.
	We'll get to that in just a sec.
	You said that the girl, the other girl he was seeing, though, I don't know if you mentioned this.
	You said it's an escort.
	Yep.
	And his whole thing, he always likes to say younger women and low body count and all this stuff.
	To the edge of the table.
	Wait, Brian, me and Avery kind of have to go.
	We're going to wrap up soon, so just hang tight, okay?
	I was going to say that too.
	Yeah, me too.
	Hang tight, guys.
	Hang tight.
	We're trying to get through this.
	I'm still waiting for it.
	Just wait.
	Just wait.
	Sure he is.
	Seeing an escort?
	He likes to throw in my face.
	You guys have a bodyguard?
	Yeah.
	Is it actually your bodyguard?
	How many followers do you guys have?
	Like 20.
	No, I'm kidding.
	I don't need new accounts.
	Yeah, we made new accounts.
	Oh, okay.
	Well.
	Well, if you guys, I'd encourage you to just stay for the last 10-15 minutes of the show.
	Okay, guys, we're wasting time here.
	Okay, I'll try to wrap up soon.
	Okay.
	You guys can wait for a bit.
	Wait, finish what you're saying because.
	I don't want to know.
	Oh, scoot your mic, please.
	Please.
	Oh, okay.
	Okay.
	There was an NDA wanted to do an NDA.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	You also said, oh, well, you kind of mentioned this during the body count discussion.
	Body count shouldn't matter at all, just an HIV STD test.
	Is what should really matter?
	My body count isn't too high.
	It depends.
	It really depends how high the body count is.
	I don't think my body count for the age that I am is really that high.
	And also a lot of dudes, like what Kiko touched up on, a lot of guys want to say, oh, younger women, lower body count, and some younger women have higher body counts than me.
	Yeah, sure.
	course i would i would just say though like especially in this new age bimbo culture So you said body count shouldn't matter.
	It just comes down to STDs.
	That's it.
	But wouldn't you agree that, for example, like let's remove STDs from this.
	Let me just give, say, a girl who has a hundred body count.
	She's totally clean.
	100 body count, totally clean.
	Would you agree, though, that if she's gotten a hundred body count versus like let's compare her to a girl who has a body count of zero?
	You don't think that there's going to be other impacting things there?
	This is why I say it depends.
	I feel like if a woman has a high body count, I feel like she should kind of be with a man that also kind of has the same range of body count.
	Okay.
	That's fair.
	All right.
	And then I think we taught.
	Tell me if we talked about this last time, but you said you were in a relationship with a guy who was your slave?
	A long time ago.
	You had a slave relationship?
	I wasn't in a relationship with him.
	He was just my pet.
	I thought I remember you saying that before.
	I didn't date him because I used to be a professional dominatrix.
	Like to be kicked in the groin?
	Yeah.
	Huh.
	I wish I still had the videos.
	I know he would approved me airing it.
	What?
	Yikes.
	No, he got off on it.
	You said he was...
	Yeah.
	Some guys are into pain.
	He was the dog, and you'd walk him on a leash.
	Yeah.
	He had a dog.
	My old job that I used to bartend out in New Jersey, I would literally chain him up and walk him around.
	Yeah, at my work.
	That is so weird.
	And then the dog collar said what on it?
	Property of kitties if lost returned.
	Wait, do you enjoy?
	Like, did you enjoy doing that to him?
	Yes.
	Why?
	One, he enjoyed it.
	You two.
	Like cringed out or anything?
	No, because honestly, it felt empowering.
	Because some men like to be little women.
	Did he pay you?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, she wasn't doing it for paper.
	Professional dom, you get paid.
	And they're pretty good amongst you.
	Like, I used to work in New York City, Pandora's Box.
	It's like a professional dungeon.
	Like, there's no sex involved, so it's legal there.
	You said that you were.
	Would you say that there's like a good percentage of men that are into Dominatrix, them being very like alpha in their normal life or like a business like person?
	Or are they more like scrawny little like?
	No, it varies.
	There's some dudes that you wouldn't expect being into it.
	Right.
	So it's very all over the place.
	Like attractive dudes, too.
	I'm going to be honest.
	I had a really hot firefighter that was in the ODK, which that's where you like pull down their pants and slap their butt and tell them they've been like a bad boy.
	He had like the babysitter kink.
	And he was hot.
	He was fine.
	Did they pay you?
	Oh, no, I got paid to men's minds.
	I got paid.
	Like more than OnlyFans girls.
	Absolutely.
	Yeah.
	Because like the usually, and I don't know if this is still the case, but in New York too, usually just to meet with the dominatrix, like to discuss the transaction or the boundaries or what they're into, the lowest you pay is $700, and that's just for the meat alone.
	Just the consultation.
	Just the consultation.
	And depending on the kink or the fetish or what they're getting, it is up in the thousands.
	Thousands of people is very neat.
	OnlyFans.
	There's even a kidnapping fetish, which is a good $5,000.
	Was her name Bella that one?
	Belle Delphine.
	No, I think it was the other one that maybe was her.
	One of those really big OnlyFans, like, gamer dress-up girls.
	Belle Delphine.
	Was it her?
	The one that sold the bathwater?
	Yes, but she did a she did a like really crazy like kidnapping kink video and everyone was like super mad about it.
	Yeah.
	She got like tied up and put into a trunk or something.
	People were not fucking with her.
	What is that, CNC?
	Consent, not consent.
	Consensual non-consent.
	But yeah, I think people were mad though because she just posted it on Twitter.
	Like she just like triggered.
	What Twitter has turned into, I mean, is you can't even read comments on a Twitter post without it all being girls promoting their OnlyFans.
	Yeah.
	And like straight up porn videos.
	I do not like Twitter.
	But Elon was supposed to save us.
	Right.
	That's a whole different conversation, though.
	Oh, wait, wasn't I supposed to pull up?
	Elizabeth loves this.
	A message from Jordan.
	Madison, can you read this one?
	What'd he say?
	We do care about women's body counts.
	Stop comparing bleep.
	That is not a fair comparison.
	How about your OnlyFans and the attention you're getting?
	I don't have to pay two sex second find your OF leak.
	Oh, he meant porn.
	I think he's talking about what I said about porn.
	Brian, you were in the bathroom, but basically what I said.
	What was the take?
	So basically I said, you know, men care about women's body counts a lot, rightfully so, which a woman then, as a rebuttal, I care about how many hours of porn have you watched?
	Because I think it has the same psychological effects that having a high body count for women that watching porn.
	Which, by the way, I don't do OnlyFans, so go ahead and try to find whatever leak you're talking about.
	Well, what would be the number?
	That was what we were talking about.
	I don't know what the conversion rate would actually be, but there's no denying that porn has psychological effects on men that correlate and are very similar to the psychological effects of women having high body counts.
	I mean, I don't deny that watching porn will have some degree of impact on men, but you just can't make this sort of comparison that it's on the same level as promiscuity.
	Who has more crazy kinks, men or women?
	I heard pregnant people.
	Men have that too.
	There's this book.
	Yeah, true, a breeding kink.
	Wait, it's called My Secret Garden.
	My Secret Garden, I think is the name of the book.
	It came out in Women's Sexual Fantasies.
	It's a 1973 book compiled by Nancy Friday who collected women's fantasies through letters and tapes and personal interviews.
	And bro, y'all got some weird fucking shit.
	I mean, that's fine.
	So do men.
	I mean, who commits the more sexual crimes?
	Well, hold on.
	Okay, that's...
	No, because, like, we're talking about the consequences, right?
	psychological consequences you think you think it's because of porn use that i mean i think it does have an effect for some people Do you think men are more likely to essay women because of porn use?
	Couldn't you make it?
	It escalates psychologically.
	It escalates them to a point to where, yeah, eventually either they do crimes or they get into really crazy.
	Watching.
	Absolutely.
	Watching porn could even lead to erectile dysfunction.
	And that's all.
	Hold on, let's stay on your one thing here.
	So you said that men who watch porn are more likely to essay women.
	Couldn't you make the opposite argument that men who are deprived of sexual release are more likely to essay women?
	I agree with both statements, but I do think that there's more inherent harm in watching porn and going that route.
	I think it's a bit of a leap, though, to say men who watch porn are more likely to essay women.
	I think there actually are statistics that show that the higher porn consumption leads to more essays.
	Now, I have to think about how you're going to be able to do that.
	I think you prove that, though.
	Think about how porn is, though.
	Because we're not talking about just grabbing women off the street, but like in a situation where it's like, say you two are drinking, and it's like some men don't understand that's not what women want.
	Oh, and porn, she loves that.
	Or that's what I'm saying.
	So, I think the psychological thinking behind it is that so when someone's watching porn, like it gets more and more extreme to get the same amount of reaction, right?
	So, once porn because they're and this is kind of an argument I would pose against your uh point of view, not saying porn's good, but once you get to a certain point, uh, things through a screen no longer have the same effect, so they're they want to do stuff in real life.
	The only way they can do that is generally forcefully.
	So, um, there are statistics that kind of bear that out.
	But then, uh, to argue against your point, yes, I think porn is terrible for marriage, especially if you're looking for a husband.
	Don't find somebody who watches a lot of porn.
	That's it's extremely bad.
	Um, but I definitely would say that the physical relationship, like physically engaging in the act of sex is like with multiple people is way, way on magnitudes worse.
	Isn't it a product of psychology, though, right?
	Like psychology and biology?
	Like, well, yes, what makes it worse?
	Like, what happens when a woman has a high body count to now not being a wife or wife material?
	Like, what is it that happens?
	Like, isn't it a psychological thing, like her pair bonding ability more likely to lead to divorce, less likely to be able to raise children?
	So, just emotionally, it's harder for women to emotionally detach from men when they have sex with them.
	It's easier for men to detach emotionally when they have sex with a woman.
	Not saying that, like, I'm promoting men to go have sex with a bunch of women, but they are psychologically different and physiologically different.
	Yeah, so that's why my comparison isn't on a man's body count on hours watched of porn.
	Well, but it's not even close to the same magnitude.
	I'm not saying that obviously porn's bad, porn bad, but it's not porn bad just like women high body count bad.
	And also, I think if we one perhaps angle, we can look at this.
	If we look at the extremes of both and the impact on the partner, so okay, let's say the guy is like watching five hours of porn a day, extreme porn addiction, right?
	That's terrible for you, bad, but okay, maybe he has difficulty getting it up and he's got weird kinks or whatever, who knows, whatever it may be.
	The extreme, the extreme of a woman who's got, let's say, a body count of 100.
	Well, okay, let's just use the extreme negative symptoms of ramifications.
	Fucking, it could be an STD.
	She's got a fucking crazy ex or some shit.
	Like, I mean, I would, I would, I would, I would argue that a man with a porn addiction in a committed relationship also possibly might go cheat and go to explore his fantasies and his fantasies that he develops watching having an intense porn addiction is going to lead to him possibly committing infidelity.
	And that potentially could risk your health for STD.
	But you can make like the extremes, I would argue, it's far worse to be promiscuous than to be a porn user.
	Yeah.
	And the psychological.
	Do you agree with that?
	If we can say that, yes, I personally think they have equal consequences.
	It also depends on what kind of porn maybe that you're watching.
	Well, but yeah, but that's just watching five hours of hardcore.
	Like, well, but that's the thing is, the more you watch, the more likely you're going to be going into prison.
	Like, there's some men who have to watch porn and jack off before they can have sex with their wife.
	Let me ask you this.
	So let's say if we can agree that porn is bad and promiscuity is bad.
	Okay.
	So let's say, let's compare.
	Let's compare an average amount of porn usage and an average amount of female promiscuity.
	Which is worse?
	They're probably the same.
	You think it's the same?
	I do, yeah.
	Really?
	I would think that, okay, so someone who, so a woman who is promiscuous versus a man who consumes porn, the long-lasting effects of being promiscuous far outlast the long lasting effects of being porn addicted.
	Say the man gets off porn immediately and he's no longer, he doesn't even have the ability to consume it.
	Like after a certain amount of time, say it's probably about a year, like those negative effects go away.
	After a year, those negative effects don't go away for a woman.
	I completely disagree with that.
	I think if anything, people get over their promiscuity times.
	Like a lot of ones, people have that couple years phase in their lives and then realize what they were doing versus the effects of watching that porn that much and developing those kinks.
	If you develop those kinks instead of them, I don't see them going back.
	Yeah, when you're there, you're not going to be able to do it.
	I don't know the statistics on that.
	I would be interested to know the statistics on if someone quits porn, how quickly it takes them to get back to baseline.
	But someone who quits porn.
	We do have statistics on quitting promiscuity.
	So people who have five or more sexual partners in their lifetime have a 20% likelihood of a successful marriage.
	We do have that.
	Them quitting promiscuity doesn't affect their success in marriage.
	Because maybe they're not quitting promiscuity.
	I don't know.
	We don't know in those statistics.
	Maybe the reason why that's failing is because they're going on and still cheating or doing things that aren't.
	They can't stop themselves.
	Which is porn watchers.
	I haven't met someone who's addicted to porn who's able to stop themselves because it's so much easier accessible than I do have to move things on to the last thing here so I can try to wrap up the show.
	Just some of your pre-show notes here.
	We could have perhaps, I'm having to skip over some of yours and some of yours.
	I mean, we did start the show late because you guys were late.
	And we could have gotten into this sooner.
	But you said men really got disgusting over COVID for real, for real.
	Yeah, I think that's what I said last time.
	Because even now in the six months that I've been single and celibate, I've tried dating twice.
	You've been celibate?
	I have.
	For six months?
	Not the whole six months, but recently, after those two bad dating experiences, and I'm about to explain why, because...
	So you haven't been celibate for six months.
	You tried to be celibate for six months.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	And I tried dating twice.
	No, I tried dating twice during these six months.
	Two different people.
	And both times it was very much so like sex forward or sex driven or sex aggravated, I would even say.
	What does that mean?
	Like their only intentions were to have sex.
	Yeah.
	And that was not my intentions going in.
	And I've been celibate since that experience.
	Probably like four.
	Wait, so you were surprised that men wanted to have sex with you?
	Not, no.
	Because it seems like they weren't interested in dating her.
	They were just interested in dating her to get into her pants.
	Yeah.
	Not with the actual point of being with her, but just to be with her.
	And even with the guys I've tried talking to, because I stopped going out on physical dates after those two experiences, have just honestly been the same.
	It's been very like sex forward, sex driven, very much so.
	Like, like, I say aggravated sexually because it is very like, I don't know, it feels primal.
	And maybe that comes from past trauma as well.
	I like feel that way a lot of times when it's very sex forward instead of relationship forward.
	But yeah, that's been my experience, especially after COVID, and from other women that I know as well Who say they do like to go out and party or they like to hang out with friends.
	A lot of women and this is coming from LA specifically, just because that's where I'm living won't even go out anymore and the parties or underground raves or wherever you go a lot of time.
	The rule is, women are free.
	Look, if you guys want to fucking leave, then just get out, go ahead.
	You guys can leave, go.
	I don't need you guys making little fucking faces at each other the past fucking hour.
	If you guys want to leave, it's totally fine, just fucking go you.
	She's had no time to talk you.
	We've given you guys so much fucking attention the entire show.
	At least be respectful for the last five minutes while she's saying her piece.
	If you need to really fucking leave, your little fucking security guard needs to take you back to fucking LA.
	Kindly go.
	Go ahead.
	Thank you.
	Out you go.
	Thank you for having us.
	Afuera!
	You can go too.
	You were out.
	You go go ahead.
	What I do?
	You were making faces at her.
	She's trying to tell her story.
	I told you guys, we have five minutes left of the show.
	You can't just be polite and listen to her without fucking.
	Oh my god, I can't believe we have another five minutes.
	Go ahead, and no, I'm trying to rush through.
	I'm sorry.
	I just have to say it's already 11, that's.
	I feel like.
	Also, this is a long topic.
	Maybe it's for another episode for other people to talk about, but I feel like in LA, specifically with the parties, dating has been very like women are free for it to try and get women to come in and a lot of my women friends don't even want to go out because there's been so much I don't know.
	Are they gone?
	Yeah okay, what's the fucking film?
	Just let them go, it's okay.
	No, it's okay.
	I think I got my point across.
	I feel like people who know know what I'm talking about and feel what I'm talking about, and I feel like again, that also is very influenced by this new bimbo culture 110% because yeah, I think a lot of men think that women in general are oversexualized now and that every woman they come across is going to be an oversexualized little demon ready to like go at it.
	And I also think because of COVID, a lot of people forgot how to be just a decent human being.
	Yeah, how to come, social skills and stuff are very off.
	Social cues are very off.
	Like Spencer, go ahead 18 year old, like COVID hit and what she was like.
	How old was she in high school?
	She was 14 when COVID hit.
	Like she hasn't really experienced life or the world and shit.
	So, like a lot of these people don't know how to act and they didn't have a chance to.
	It's really so.
	We're gonna see good feelings for a long time.
	Yeah, and I don't.
	They're not gonna be positive ones.
	They're already not positive ones.
	Truthfully, I'm endgame with my dude.
	I'm not going back out there.
	You guys will get there.
	Yeah, eventually they told me on here I would never find a man.
	I'm going to the AIR Force.
	Maybe when I get out I'll find somebody, but for now it's probably not gonna happen.
	I respect that, though I really do like waiting Until after you come out of the AIR Force, because you're knowing you're not going to have time to commit.
	I do respect that because I know guys, even family, who like they try and get a girlfriend really fast to wipe up before going into the military stuff.
	Yeah.
	For the benefits.
	Yeah.
	That's like.
	For the benefits and just to know that they have somebody to come home to.
	And I honestly, that sounds nice, but it's unrealistic and you're putting pressure on your partner to know that you're always going to be there to come home too, right?
	It's also short-sighted on the guys side because like you have no man protecting that woman from going out and seeing some other dude.
	And not even just that, but you just have no man protecting that woman in general.
	Exactly.
	Like what are you going to do?
	Start a family and have kids and then go overseas or not be able to be there to raise your family.
	Like I just, I don't see why so many men, I get it, it's like to have a life and have a family.
	Everyone wants that, but I don't know.
	I couldn't have kids and then be like.
	I want to be involved in my kids' life.
	I mean, like, yeah.
	I wouldn't be able to have a child and be like, peace.
	I don't want to raise you.
	I'm going to go off to war.
	Sorry, I didn't mean to cut you off.
	I'm trying to rush too because I know other, like, we all got to get home.
	But I feel like that's also out of fear of not being able to get into a relationship after they come back from being away.
	Yeah, I really do.
	And they should realize they're even more, in a lot of women's eyes, more desirable.
	More desirable.
	Exactly.
	Exactly.
	Especially because you guys don't have a ticking clock.
	Yeah, exactly.
	No, like you're not in any rush.
	Yeah, I mean, you have nothing to add.
	I could tell by that beginning statement.
	Brian's checked out.
	I'm just.
	No, they were.
	Look, they were, I don't know if you guys, I mean, they were doing the fucking looking at each other, doing the same thing.
	I was between them the whole time.
	Were they making faces the whole thing?
	Oh, no, they were like, yeah, they were playing footsie, like everything.
	I just wanted to know why they paid a bodyguard to sit outside.
	What the hell is he guarding?
	Oh, they near the door?
	That's crazy.
	Oh, that's what that guy was.
	I didn't see him.
	Yeah, I know.
	I tell you, that's really funny because I have stopped looking in LA.
	I have stopped looking in general because my last relationship, even though it ended terrible, the relationship itself was beautiful.
	And I feel like he did a lot of nasty things to me in the end, but they were influenced by what he was doing in the party scene.
	And I'm able to be friends with him from a distance now.
	I can honestly say he's one of my best friends.
	And I'm in the process of watching him get himself help, which does not happen fucking often.
	It does not.
	Ellie has too many social climbers.
	Yeah, in clout chasers.
	I would be scared the whole time that if it was genuine or not or something to further their career or whatever.
	Right.
	Anything you want to add, Brian?
	What do you guys call that, Castleen?
	What is it called?
	No, I don't call it.
	I call that a Sparta kick.
	Oh, Sparta kick.
	I call that a Sparta kick.
	I've been trying not to rage quit.
	No, look, every time I leave early, it's considered a message.
	I gave those two, those two there so many passes because they were doing the little eye looks to each other that starting like two, even two, three hours into the fucking show.
	I should have checked it earlier, but it finally just got to the point.
	Then she started coming in.
	And it's like, look, you guys haven't had much opportunity to speak during the show.
	I was trying to give you a couple minutes here at the end of the show.
	I was literally about to end the show within five minutes, but they just had to keep making their little fucking eyes to each other.
	It's just like fucking annoying.
	And it's like, look, I know these podcasts go long, but if, let me, I'll just say, those two girls, that girl there, reached out to us to come be on the show.
	They requested to be on the show.
	And it's like, I know we have long podcasts.
	You have done your research.
	You know that we go long.
	And actually, tonight, this is early.
	This was going to be a relatively, if I wrapped up the show now, which I would have after that, what, five and a half hours, I think we're at.
	That's compared at 5.50.
	That's a pretty short, comparatively, sometimes we'll go seven and a half.
	The last time we were here, it was seven and a half.
	It was so long.
	We left at like 4:35.
	It was like one.
	Yeah, it was 100%.
	Was it one?
	Yeah, it was like one more late.
	It was late.
	Yeah, we got pizza.
	It's like, look, it's already.
	We did get it.
	And we drank champagne.
	We did drink some pain.
	I mean, it's like, it's 11 p.m. on a Tuesday.
	What else you got fucking going on?
	Like, give it another five minutes.
	Let these girls talk and I'm going to wrap up the show.
	But like, it's just, it's rude to be in my face, fucking eyeing each other, doing this, that eye shit that girls do.
	I know this makes me so nervous.
	It's not rude to you, really.
	It's rude to her because she was speaking when you're talking about it.
	Well, it was rude to her.
	Yeah.
	It's rude to everybody here.
	But they were doing it the whole show, too.
	So like some people are going to try to paint it like just out of the blue, like they did one little thing and it I fucking exploded.
	I snapped.
	No, bro.
	They were doing that the whole night.
	It was fucking annoying.
	And I just, but I fucking gave them passes and shit.
	I probably should have checked it, but whatever.
	Also, it's just like, yo, it's an look, it's an opportunity to come be on the show.
	You can see, like, oh, people want to whine.
	Oh, I've got to sit there for a long time and have a conversation.
	It's like, bro, there's men who are fucking doing dangerous, dirty jobs day in, day out, fucking nine, 10 hours.
	Hold on, hold on.
	That are doing actually hard work and you want to complain, oh, the show, I'm sitting in a penthouse apartment.
	It's, oh, it's so hard.
	Fucking sack up.
	Sack up.
	These people are fucking entitled.
	They've never done a hard day of work in their fucking life.
	And it's like, sack up.
	Thank you for giving me the photo.
	I actually really do appreciate it.
	I had a lot of people DM me after the last show and were like, why didn't you talk much?
	Why weren't you jumping in?
	Blah, blah, blah.
	But there was a lot going on last show.
	And I feel like I don't like cutting people off, which is why I usually just sit and observe what's going on.
	But I do really appreciate that.
	Thank you.
	Hold on, this guy.
	Somebody in the chat is just saying, race, race to Jesus.
	It's not an opportunity to be on your show and they don't get paid.
	Well, hold on.
	Let me ask you a question, sir.
	So I'm not making a comparison that I'm on this level.
	But if, for example, Joe Rogan, I'm not comparing myself to Joe Rogan, but just to articulate a point, if Joe Rogan invited me on his podcast, would that not be an opportunity?
	Would I request a no, Joe Rogan, you have to pay me $500 to go on your podcast because I don't receive any promotional or exposure benefit from being on your podcast.
	I'm not arguing that I'm on that level.
	I'm absolutely not, but there's scales to this shit.
	Yeah.
	That doesn't even matter.
	They do OnlyFans.
	So you have your chat.
	Sorry, chat is full of simps.
	They probably got a good amount of subscribers just from tonight.
	That's money in their pockets.
	That and the exposure enough, even like with the fashion light I'm starting and I do things on the side like tooth gems, nails, hair, all of that.
	I've been able to get clientele and more, what's it called?
	Status?
	Something like that.
	Just from this podcast, the last time I was on and I barely said a word.
	Even though Allie girls had kind of exposure.
	Allie was popular on TikTok before she came on here, but now she's hanging out with, what's his name?
	She got a new car.
	She's a patriot.
	Yeah, she got a range.
	Chanel, Louie, hanging out with not Adam 22.
	What's the other one?
	Erin or something?
	A lot of, I mean, look, not every girl that comes on the show ends up blowing up, but like a lot of girls who've come on the show have had like opportunities from coming on.
	So like you made a gor, Allie, you're right, I shouldn't say it.
	Allie.
	Yeah, she got, look, we, look, she had, like you said, some following before she came on the show.
	Yeah, she's going on Aiden Ross, fucking the Nelk whatever, bought her like a pink truck or what was it?
	Pink Range Rover.
	How much money is that?
	A pink Range Rover?
	Probably 100.
	Yeah, 20 game.
	Almost six figures.
	It's customizable.
	Yeah, baseline like 90, 100k.
	And it wasn't an old one.
	Look, I stand to benefit too from people coming on the show.
	I stand to benefit too from people coming on the show.
	I wouldn't have a show if it wasn't for people willing to come on.
	I'm not saying that, you know, I'm giving everything and I'm not getting anything.
	No, of course, but it's like mutually beneficial.
	It would also be different if you were inviting us to come on rather than most of the time from like what I've heard and what I know that we all come to you to be on.
	Well, I mean, I feel like that's kind of makes it a little different too.
	Although I didn't edit any of that, we do both.
	Not in every case, but as a lot of the time.
	We do both.
	A lot of people reach out to us, but we also do reach out to.
	So it's mixed.
	In those two girls' cases, well, the three that I kicked off the show, they reached out to us to be on the show.
	I feel like the ones that complain usually reach out to you.
	Wait, so did you reach out to Raccoon Girl?
	No, she reached out.
	Oh, okay.
	I'm pretty sure you said you reached out or she said, I don't even remember.
	I'm still waiting for the documentary to come out.
	Are you talking about Tom?
	Are you talking about Tamagotchi girl?
	They said, no, not Tamagotchi.
	Oh, I saw that.
	I saw that.
	And I started following her after Raccoon Girl.
	They said they were making a documentary about you.
	What?
	When?
	That guy that she dates is like a man who goes around exposing people.
	What?
	Oh, I did not know that.
	Yeah.
	To his bait.
	That's why all the comments are like, how do you not know who this is?
	How do y'all check who her boyfriend is?
	Like, look at who her boyfriend is.
	Don't worry about that.
	Yeah.
	I mean, I don't care, but I thought it was funny.
	Moving on.
	Okay.
	Closing comments.
	We're going to wrap up the show here, guys.
	They could have just been chipper for the last five minutes of the show, but it is what it is.
	A lot of people in the chat are saying take their shit out.
	They made it most of the show.
	They weren't being super rude or anything.
	I was just kind of fed up with it.
	I'm not going to take their stuff out.
	Just if somebody's being like, if their conduct is egregious and I have to do a kick, then I'll take their stuff out of the description.
	But if they're just, you know, I'm not going to take it out of the description.
	And hold on.
	Let's see.
	Let me see.
	So on Twitch, we're going to raid somebody who are we going to raid.
	We're going to raid.
	Let me see.
	Do we raid?
	One sec, guys.
	Oh, super chat.
	Sorry, we have a super chat here.
	Could you pull it up?
	Maddie, could you read it?
	Oh, okay.
	Bragai, do people fail to realize that men paying for everything only became tradition due to women's suffrage?
	Patriarchy.
	Why would men be expected to pay for someone outearning them in modern America?
	Expect that to change soon or fire up the C3PO.
	Degening is cheap.
	Only came tradition due to women's suffrage.
	Not because women couldn't pay for anything because they had no money.
	That's what he had to say.
	Yeah, he just used suffrage in a wrong.
	That's voting.
	Yeah, it's voting.
	Yeah.
	So I don't want to read it.
	I don't even want to respond to the rest of it.
	Oh, last thing, guys.
	If you're watching on Twitch, guys, go to twitch.tv/slash whatever.
	Drop us a follow in the Prime sub if you have one.
	Drop us a follow in the Prime sub if you have one there over on Twitch.
	On Twitch, I'm going to raid you guys to somebody.
	Also, subscribe to our clips channel, whatever second.
	We're trying to get to 1 million subscribers, excuse me.
	We're very close, guys, so would very much appreciate it.
	Over there on Twitch, I'm going to raid.
	We're going to raid Stay Safe.
	That should be going out here in just a sec.
	I'll get that going.
	Okay, GG, well played.
	GG, well played to the panel.
	To those of you who made it to the end here.
	Last call, hit the like button, please, on your way out.
	Thank you for tuning in tonight.
	You could have been anywhere in the world, but you're here with me.
	I appreciate that.
	Thank you to everyone who super chats, donates, and supports the show.
	We will be live again, what, Sunday, 5 p.m. Pacific.
	We have Andrew Wilson coming back for a couple shows.
	Any girls who want to be on the show, DM at Whatever on Instagram if you can make it to Santa Barbara.
	Hold on.
	Let me do the raid on Twitch.
	So 07's in the chat on Twitch.
	Thank you guys for tuning in.
	Drop us a follow on Twitch.
	If you haven't yet, I'm going to raid Stay Safe.
	He's playing World of Warcraft.
	Yeah, you can pull it up really quick.
	Stay safe TV on Twitch.
	We'll do that super quick.
	I love these retro clips.
	I know.
	You can do audio.
	That's fine.
	We'll pull it up really quick.
	Oh, no, him.
	No, him.
	You two are.
	Oh, damn.
	I've been staring at this moment.
	He's playing.
	I love it.
	It's like way too coordinated.
	He's doing the Stranglethorne Valley Veil.
	Fuck, I forgot.
	Oh, forget that.
	The Blood Moon event.
	He's playing Season of Discovery.
	All right, I'm raiding you over there, guys.
	I'm raiding you over.
	I'm ready.
	All right, go.
	Bunkering down.
	I'm prepping.
	Let's see.
	You keep it here for me.
	I thought we'd be playing that game.
	He needs to go out on a field.
	On a field.
	If you don't go on the farm.
	The whatever.
	I stick to stereotypes, okay?
	Mr. Brian Atlas of the whatever podcast.
	Or maybe some of the videos.
	Thank you, guys.
	Welcome.
	Raiders, how was it today?
	How was the whatever podcast?
	I've been streaming nine hours, so I don't know how it was.
	How was it?
	A bunch of kicks.
	Anyways, you can tell.
	Seven minutes.
	I can take a look at some of the clips.
	Okay, I'll take a look at the video.
	All right, you can pause that.
	All right, guys.
	07's in the chat.
	Good night, guys.

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