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She Says ALL Men Are UGLY?! GIGACHAD VlRGlN RETURNS! TayTay! College Feminists?! | Dating Talk #148

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So without further ado, we're going to have the guests introduce themselves.
So please tell us your name, age, location.
So where you're from and occupation.
Go ahead.
Hi, my name is Jory.
I am 22.
I'm from Bakersfield, California, and I'm here at UCSB as a student.
What are you studying?
I currently study psych and brain sciences.
All right.
Welcome.
Welcome by you.
Hi, my name is Aui.
Like Maui.
I'm 21 from the Valley, and I'm just a student right now studying PR.
Are you at a four-year university, junior college?
Right now, I'm at a junior college.
Is this like close enough?
Yeah, that's fine.
Yeah, gonna transfer eventually.
I'm not like trying to, you know, rush it or anything.
I'm just like taking my time, you know.
And what do you, are you doing anything for work?
I was working at Shake Shack, but I got fired.
Why is that?
Whoa.
Spin the fries.
I was actually doing it.
No, I'm not going to lie.
I was actually pretty good working there, but I showed up late a lot, so that's my fault.
You showed up late a lot?
Not like too late, though.
Like five, ten minutes, you know, stuff like that.
But you know, corporate.
Yeah, corporate.
I know, right?
Corporate.
It's always their fault.
Damn corporate.
It's a girl.
Sorry.
Did you do any content creation?
No, not really.
I mean, this is like my first big thing.
So, yeah, but no OF, right?
No.
Okay.
Good.
Just check.
My name is Sonia.
I'm 23.
I'm from the Bay Area and I am an engineering technology student at a university.
All right, welcome.
What about you?
I'm Sophia and I'm 20 and I'm from San Clomeni, California, and I'm a student at Santa Barbara, UC Santa Barbara.
Okay.
What are you studying?
Econ and accounting.
All right.
Welcome.
My name's Maya.
I'm 21.
I'm from San Diego.
I'm a third year at UCSB, and I'm studying public policy and law and a minor in education.
All right, welcome.
My name is Alexa.
I'm 35.
I'm from Venezuela, born and raised in Venezuela.
I've been in the United States for 10 years now.
All right.
What do you do for work?
I'm a producer right now.
I'm a farmer in my own farm.
You're a farmer?
Yes.
What do you farm?
I have goats, I have chickens.
Yes.
I'm growing my own food, trying to be sustainable.
Wow.
I'm just getting into it.
I just started a year ago, so it's a new work for me.
Gotcha.
And you said you're from Venezuela?
Venezuela.
Born and raised.
And so are you here?
You've got a green card visa?
I came here.
I came here with a visa and then I, you know, I went to legalize.
That was a whole ordeal because immigration here has a way to do stuff.
So, but I finally was able to, you know, stay here in a legal way and I'm married.
So I've been married for eight years now.
Okay.
Very cool.
Very cool.
And did you do much dating in Venezuela?
I, I mean, in my early 20s, there are babies.
When I was around their age, yes, I mean, I used to, you know, go out and have fun.
It's just different.
I think when you date in the United States and you date in a different country, just because culturally speaking, it's just different.
The whole thing is different.
When I got here in 2014, I realized everybody's on an app and a dating app that doesn't exist in my country.
Like people actually go and meet in person or in a bar or hey.
But the whole dating app for me was just like a new world and I was like, wow, how this works.
Well, we can get into that a little bit more later on.
What about you?
What's up, guys?
My name's Taylor.
It's Tay Tay Baby on YouTube.
I advocate for men's mental health.
I'm 29.
I'm from Los Angeles, California, and I'm back, y'all.
She's back.
She's back.
Cool.
What about you?
My name is Mason Gregoire.
I am 27 years old, about to turn 28.
I am a mechanical engineer, but I'm actually going through a career change right now.
I'm going to join Air Force Special Warfare.
So it's quite the change for me, but I'm excited.
And you got your bachelor's degree, is that correct?
Yeah, so I have my bachelor's degree in mechanical engineering.
I have two bachelor's degrees, actually, mechanical engineering and natural sciences.
Now, but, and we were talking a bit about this before the show, but you could go in as an officer, right?
But you have to go in as enlisted.
Yeah, so the special warfare pipeline is for enlisted.
You can, there are special warfare careers for officers, but I want to get the experience as an enlisted personnel first, go through all of that training, kind of understand what boots on the ground looks like, and then eventually try to work my way up as an officer.
So, why the switch up from a mechanical engineer going into the military?
Yeah, I mean, it's something I've thought about for five or six years now.
When I lived in Tennessee, I'd been thinking about going in as a Navy SEAL, like kind of getting my education.
I wanted to get experience in the workforce as an engineer, but I've always kind of had this call to do something bigger than myself, challenge myself physically, mentally, see what kind of man I am.
And I'm finally taking the jump and really nervous because I know the attrition rate for this specific AFSE is pretty high.
It's like 80% of the people who try it fail.
10.
So.
And when do you start?
So the official process will probably start.
They'll probably ship me off for basic training probably two, three months from now.
I haven't gotten a date yet.
So it could be a couple months.
It could be longer than that, but we'll see.
Good shit.
Good shit.
Well, cool.
We're going to go around the table once more.
We're going to get everybody's current relationship status.
So are you single?
Excuse me.
Talking stage, situationship, friends with benefits, relationship married, polycule, sex cult, whatever it may be.
If you're single, how long have you been single?
And what's the longest relationship you've ever been in?
Starting with you.
Go ahead.
Well, I am currently single.
I've been single for the last, I'd say, four years.
And the longest relationship I was in was a year and a half.
It was a high school relationship?
Yeah.
Okay.
1.5 years.
Okay.
Why did that end?
It's a lot.
Like, it is a lot.
It's a lot.
Should we come back to it?
Why did it end?
Who broke up with who?
Well, at first, I tried to break up with him, but he cried, so I stayed for another year.
And then, after he checked out, then he broke up with me.
Oh.
I was waiting for him to.
Oh, wait.
You were waiting for him to break up with you.
Yeah, because he didn't like it when I suggested it, so I was waiting for him to go ahead and come to that decision.
Wait, did you say you checked out or he checked out?
I checked out.
You checked out, okay.
I mean, he was the kind of guy that got jealous of his own dog.
Like in a romantic way?
No, like, I'm petting his dog and he's jealous.
Why aren't you spending time with me?
Wait, it's your dog.
His dog.
Yeah.
His dog would be hanging out with other people?
No, he would get jealous of me.
You were petting his dog instead of hanging out with him.
Wait, he would, if you were petting the dog, his dog, while you were at his house, why are you not petting me?
No, seriously.
I was petting his cat one time and he was like, well, why aren't you cuddling me instead?
It's a cat.
But was he saying that in a joking way or was it like disgusting?
It was a serious conversation.
It did serious, holy.
Yeah, no, he had some interesting things.
Wait, so he was jealous of like not getting attention from the pet or not getting attention from you or both?
Not getting attention from me.
Oh.
Huh.
But like pet the dog with me.
Your dog is old.
Yeah.
Pay attention to your dog.
Were there any other like instances that kind of drew this out in him?
Like any like major fights?
Like why did you do that other than like pet related instances?
I don't know.
It was just weird.
We didn't get into fights too often.
We did get into a bit of a fight one time because like someone had come up to me in a gas station and they weren't going to leave me alone.
And so I told them, hey, I have a boyfriend.
He's in the car right now.
And my boyfriend was sitting there the whole time.
Didn't even care.
Like that I was out pumping gas and someone was coming up to me and like.
Do you think it's because you guys are how old are you right now?
Right now I'm 22.
And that was four years ago?
Yeah, I mean we were young.
Right.
So maybe it's just because you guys were super young and sometimes experience comes with the years and you know how you handle situations.
Yes.
Wait, so six months in, you try to end the relationship.
This is what, your junior year of high school?
It was my senior year of high school and he was graduating to go to college.
Okay.
So six months in, you end it, but then he starts crying.
You take him back out of pity?
Was it a pity?
It was a pity.
Take back.
Pity take back.
Yeah.
Hmm.
Interesting.
What was the scope of the, like, was he, was it like, like just a singular tier or was it like full blown waterworks?
What are we talking here?
Crocodile tears.
Full-blown, yeah, crocodile tears.
Full-blown waterworks.
I think it was more so of a control issue because we wanted different things in life.
There was no reason to argue for me to stay.
Like, go find what you want with someone who wants the same thing.
And so, but then you got back with him.
But was there a period when you got back with him where it was like good for a period?
Or was it you were just like a hostage almost?
It kind of felt like the latter simply because he didn't believe on going on dates.
There's nothing wrong with that.
So he was like a little bit of a drink.
He sounds kind of based.
I'm not going to lie.
Good for him.
That wasn't particularly what the issue was.
He just didn't believe it.
He's growing on me.
He's kind of growing on me.
Doesn't believe in dates.
He's growing on me.
Wait, so what do you mean?
You just want to hang out at the house?
Yeah.
Okay.
Okay.
Cuddle?
You know, that sort of stuff.
Not even.
He just wanted me to be there.
Interesting.
Wait, what was that Patrice O'Neal.
Nick, do you remember the Patrice O'Neill quote?
Men want...
Hold on.
Let me see if I can find it.
But so it sounded like, though, you were trying to like, were you actively trying to make him dislike you so he would break up with you?
Because that's what it sounded like.
Towards the very, very end, yes.
But during the entire relationship, I was trying really hard to be a good girlfriend.
Like, I would notice his favorite pair of pants had a hole going through them, so I'd got him a new pair just because, you know, things like that.
But he did not believe in reciprocating.
Okay.
So, like, what would you, what were you trying to do to sort of, what's the right word here?
To, like, give him pretext for him to break up with you.
Well, I started to flake on plans a little bit towards the very end, but they were stupid plans anyway.
What, like, you, I thought he just wanted to hang out, though, not do dates.
No, he wanted to do a Zoom movie and watch a movie on Zoom.
On Zoom?
Yeah.
Like, so.
Like, separately.
We weren't even together.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's a little too much.
Yeah.
Okay.
Oh, I found the quote here from Patrice O'Neill.
Men want to be alone, but we don't want to be by ourself.
I don't know if that applies here.
It might.
He just wanted you like in the other room.
He didn't want to talk to you, but just he wanted you to be there.
He wanted someone who made him feel like he was in control of his life.
Like he wanted his life to go a certain way and he thought just by having a girlfriend it would happen.
Sure.
Like he wanted kids and I already told him no.
Like kids in the future or kids right then and there?
In the future, but I let him know that that was not on the table for me at all.
You don't want kids?
No.
Okay.
Do you think that might change at all, or you didn't want kids with him, or just no kids period?
No kids.
Okay, no kids, period.
Well, maybe we'll come back to that.
We can open it up to the rest of the panel.
And you said you've been single for four years.
Yeah, I mean, I've gone on some dates, but I've been single the whole time.
But so when you say single, do you mean like what's the longest period of time that you've seen somebody for that four-year period?
Maybe there's like what, a three-month guy or something?
No, one guy is for like a week.
Wait, so the for the past four years, your college years, the longest like consecutive period of time you've dated somebody was a week.
Yeah.
Is it maybe you're just not looking for something more serious?
I'm kind of not really looking for anything at all, but if something happens, it happens.
If it happens, it happens.
Okay.
Has there been somebody you wanted a relationship with, but they didn't?
No.
Oh, okay.
You're just a player then.
You're just a player.
Being a player requires playing with people.
I don't.
You don't have Riz?
Well, if you want to look at it that way, sure.
But I just don't really interact with people that often.
Okay.
You're a hermit.
Yeah.
You just stay inside and play Pokemon card with Pokemon cards?
Is that?
I'm not inside all of the time, but when I go out, I'm by myself.
I mean, solo walk.
I guess.
So generally, when I'm single, I think of it as a period of time where I'm not talking to anybody.
Like, I'm not, like, no text messages.
Like, there's no prospects.
Like, I'm not DMing with somebody.
I'm not waiting, like, posting stories on my Instagram, and then someone will send me something back.
Like, oh, I'm starting to talk to them.
Like, it's nothing.
It's like zero communication.
I think most guys, that's like their definition of being single.
Like, they have no prospects.
Is that your definition of being single?
Or are you kind of like, is there a guy here that's like checking up on you?
Or like, are you texting people?
Like, what do you mean by it?
If they did not ask me to be their partner, then we are not partners.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well, I mean, like, I'm not saying, so I guess the experience of being single or like just not talking to anybody for guys, it's usually like we don't have anyone we're talking to.
Like, there are no prospects whatsoever.
In your experience, have there been periods of time where you're not actually talking to anybody?
What's your experience of singleness?
Yeah.
Yeah, I would say over the course of the last four years, three and a half years were spent not talking to anyone.
Okay.
I just got into dating recently, but I have been disappointed.
So are you on dating apps or were you on dating apps?
I was, but I deleted all of them.
They're.
When you say you recently got back into dating, what does that mean?
Like, I went on a date with a guy, and then we talked for like a week after that, and then I told him it wasn't working.
It wasn't working.
Yeah.
Why wasn't it working?
Well, on the very first date, said date, he had already been talking about marriage and kids and last names.
That's too much.
Well, soon.
Lol soon.
And you don't want kids.
How did you meet him?
Dating app?
Yes.
Okay.
Wait, so you said for the past three and a half years you've been pretty much single.
So you've been celibate for that?
Kind of?
Kind of?
How can you be kind of celibate for three and a half years?
How long have you been celibate then?
Because it's sounds like it doesn't happen much.
I mean, it doesn't happen much.
The carnal knowledge.
But so, have you been celibate?
Yeah, I mean.
For how long?
Well, for maybe like two years.
Oh, okay.
It's not like, I don't know.
That's kind of a long time.
Yeah.
I mean, relatively speaking, good for you, though.
I mean, if no one's out there, there's no point.
Okay.
Gotcha.
Well, we can come back to some of that stuff.
But what about you?
What's your situation?
Okay, so I'm single.
I'm pretty like happily single.
Like I consider myself.
My last relationship ended like a year and a half ago.
Like a year and a half, two years ago.
So you've been single for two years?
Yeah, pretty much.
I mean, I've talked, there was like with this one guy that I was talking to for like three months, and it went pretty well, but I just, I don't know, it was just, you know, I could not really see myself going too deep into that.
And also, like, I enjoy being single, you know what I mean?
I feel like there's just other stuff that there's just shit, sorry.
There's just like stuff that you can do when you're single, stuff that you can't do.
Like, you know what I mean?
So, I don't know.
I'm like in my single era.
I like it.
Wait, what do you mean there's stuff that you can do when you're single and stuff you can do you can't do?
What do you have?
What do you mean?
What do you, what do you think?
Yeah, let me look.
Okay.
So, I mean, let's say I go to like a bar, go to the club with my friends, you know, obviously, at least like my last boyfriend.
KDS stands donated $100.
Bro, that's a good idea.
Hey, Brian, sorry I'm late.
Got some stuff going on tonight.
We'll have to catch the pod later after recording.
Question for the panel.
How do you feel about Nala returning to Christ?
Real or fake?
I mean, I don't know if the people on the panel are familiar with who this is.
Fake, fake.
What is it?
Hey, fake.
All right, should we pull it up really quick?
Nick, do you have.
I think I know who they're talking about, but I have all that nice stuff.
It's on my Twitter.
The Spider-Man take her.
Oh, Christian.
Yes, yes, okay, okay.
Don't talk about God.
I'm going to see if I'm interested.
Because I've actually had a couple conversations with people about her.
I mean, I don't know anything about her, but like people will ask me because they've seen me on the show, what do you think about that lady?
I'm like, I'll find Nick.
I'm going to send it in the private chat.
I know nothing about her.
What does that have to do with returning to Christ?
Wait, what?
She was getting baptized and all this stuff, but she does OF.
She said she'll take somebody's man if she does that whole like cheating thing.
I'll snatch her man with your own.
Okay.
She's the wrong girl.
And she still has OnlyFans, I believe.
It's not Christ.
What are you talking about?
Well, you know, we might get her on the show.
We'll see what she has to say.
Let's see.
Nick, you got it ready?
Yeah.
All right, go ahead.
You can play the audio or just mute it midway through if you.
Oh, it's not that one.
You sent me a different one.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure that's it.
Just, yeah, that's it.
Just go ahead.
Just go ahead with it.
We're just going to play one.
This fantasy is not even my biggest.
It's like one of my fantasies.
And then this is her getting baptized.
Yep.
And, you know, she's been on the podcast two times.
And she does OF, or did OF, anyways.
So for those of you who aren't familiar with her, that's the thing.
So the chatter's asking, you think it's legit?
Did she quit OF, Brian?
Yeah.
Because if she quits, that's what she says.
That's what she says.
From what I understand about the story, it seems like she had been doing OF and then she got saved and then dropped all of that.
And then she got baptized and all this stuff has happened.
So I guess I can give my point of view on it.
I am very slow to say, oh, it's fake, because I know God does incredible things.
He works in very incredible ways.
I mean, just look at Saul turned into Paul when Christ himself appeared to him on the road to Damascus and said, Paul, or Saul, Saul, why are you persecuting me?
And he changed his whole life and he went on to write most of the New Testament.
So God can do some incredible things.
So I can't discount what God can do, but I want to see what her walk will entail.
Because it could be something like Kanye, where he professes faith.
It like he gets connected with some good pastors.
It looks like he's going in a good direction.
But then the people he surrounds himself slowly poison that fruit that was there.
And he turns out to just be the seed that was cast into shallow ground and it was trampled.
So we'll see.
We'll see.
We'll see.
We'll see what happens with Nala.
But hey, thank you, Katia.
Appreciate it.
You were telling us about things you can do and things you can't do.
Yeah, so I mean, I think it also depends on the type of partner that you have and stuff, their boundaries, whatever they're comfortable with.
I mean, my ex, like, he, yeah, I mean, he was kind of like how you said, really jealous, even of just like me hanging out with my friends, stuff, like, just trying to live life.
Like, that shit stuff like pissed him off, you know, because he was, I guess, jealous of me, like, in a way, you know.
So, how did we break up?
His dad actually broke us up.
Yeah, no.
And his dad was on my side.
He was like, yeah, basically, like, stay the hell away from my son.
You know, like, he's, you know.
How old was he?
We had just turned 20 when we broke up.
Yeah, our birthdays are like two weeks apart.
Young dude.
Yeah.
Would you say he's like trying to be like that macho man?
I don't know.
I mean, honestly, the closest thing that I can say is like he thinks he's like Playboy Cardi or something.
Like, I don't know, man.
Like, after we broke up, I don't know.
Like, he just seems like the same different style, trying to be like a different person, but the same headspace, you know what I mean?
Didn't grow at all.
Just a very, like, I don't, I never want to, like, call somebody like a narcissist, you know?
I know that's, like, never a good thing to do, but he had some tendencies that was just like, you know, very off-putting to most of like my friends and stuff that he met.
Okay.
So you said you've been single for two years.
Your longest relationship was that?
That was 10 months, yeah.
Ten months.
Okay.
But the guy you were just talking about, that's the guy you were seeing for three months, was it?
Yeah, that was like some other guy.
Some other guy.
All right.
Some other, very nice, good gentleman.
So you've been single for two years.
Yeah, just about.
How long ago was the three-month guy?
It was like August to December, maybe?
Okay, so pretty recently.
Oh, maybe that was longer than three months.
Okay.
Okay.
What about you?
I'm in a relationship right now.
How long have you been together?
It'll be two years in May, like end of May.
All right.
Is that your longest relationship?
Yes.
Okay, cool.
How did you guys meet?
It's a funny story.
I went to a death metal concert with my best friend before she passed away.
And she was Hi on Molly, and I was too shy to ask him, you know, hey, can I have your Snapchat?
So she was like, Do you want to talk to him?
Do you want me to talk to him for you?
I said, Yes.
And we kind of exchanged Snapchats in that way, and we hung out after like two weeks of talking, and it just went from there.
He is younger than Death Metal Band.
Was it?
Chelsea Grin and Dying Fetus.
Who the fuck is that guy?
Dying Fetus.
What the fuck?
Yeah.
I listen to that.
Is it a Christian death metal man?
No, Christian.
Actually, yeah, very, very Christian.
Okay, that's interesting.
Is that what you're you guys think you can get married, you think?
Yeah.
So for me, I would get married just for the ceremony, but I wouldn't make it official with the government.
Thank you.
Can you close the door?
And I'm Jewish.
He's not.
Okay.
So I would want supposed, like, hypothetically, a Jewish wedding, which he doesn't mind.
He's very kind of.
Is he religious?
So he has seven other siblings.
So he's Mormon.
No, he's not.
But his mom is pretty religious.
Like, she goes to church every Sunday.
When my best friend was at the hospital, she prayed for her and, you know, the normal prayer that people do when someone's dying in the hospital.
But he himself is not.
He's not religious.
But he would convert?
No.
But you said you want to get married.
You're Jewish, right?
I am, yeah.
My understanding is you'd have to.
You don't, it could be very reform.
So, like, there's different levels of Judaism.
There's reform, conservative, and ultra-Orthodox, which is funny enough.
My older brother became extremely religious because, so my parents are from the Soviet Union.
They hated Jews in the Soviet Union.
Oh, bro.
Hole, how are you going to say that?
Oh, I'm sorry.
On the show.
Jesus Christ.
Okay.
I'm sorry.
But they weren't allowed to practice their religion.
Is that TOS?
Oh, my God, bro.
Okay.
I'm sorry.
I'm sorry.
Go ahead.
But I mean, it's, you know, fact.
But so when they immigrated here, they wanted us to go to religious school and Hebrew school to get our bar bot mitzvah.
So we weren't super religious.
Like, we didn't do the Sabbath or anything like that.
But as my older brother got older, he became very religious to the point where he moved to Jerusalem.
And he is doing this thing called yeshiva, which is kind of like a further learning of Judaism.
And so he became very religious to the point where he doesn't even hug my aunt.
Like, he won't sit in the same room as he won't sit next to a woman.
Like, so if he was here, he'd have to be where you are, and then you'd be right here.
He can't be next to a woman.
So He asked his rabbi, he said, Can I, my, my aunt and my mom are pretty pissed off that you can't, you know, that I can't hug you, that I can't hug her.
So his rabbi said, only if she initiates the hug, basically.
Yeah.
It's very different.
Okay.
All right.
What about you?
Okay.
I actually haven't dated before, like in an official relationship.
So I've been single for 20 years.
Okay.
You haven't dated before in an official relationship.
What about an unofficial?
Kind of just like mostly talking stage, I would say, and just like really casual.
Yeah.
Casual.
Okay.
And so what is that?
Are you on dating apps?
Have you been on dating apps?
I have, but it's kind of more just entertainment with my roommates.
I would just say that.
When you say entertainment with your roommates, is it just looking at the profiles?
Do you talk to the guys together?
Yeah, kind of like as a group.
It's like we'll all be on our phones.
This is one of my roommates, actually.
So we've done it together before.
But yeah, I kind of like like we've done Tinder before and I've done Hinge.
And I just think that the people on there, like at least that I'm seeing, are just like, no one I'd want to date.
So it's just kind of fun to have fun with it.
Wait, so you've, have you ever met somebody from one of the dating apps?
I have and I was and it was like a one-time thing each time.
Like I was not going to meet that person again.
What do you mean each time?
A one-time thing each time?
Like a one-time meeting each, like that person, like, okay.
The person that I had met, I didn't like as soon as I had met up with them.
And so that was like it.
I did not want to keep in contact with you.
But you went on the, there were a couple dates.
Yeah.
Different dates.
Yeah.
How many total meetups do you think you've had from the dating apps?
Maybe like four.
Four?
Okay.
You didn't like any of them?
No.
What was the, was there a recurring theme here?
What was the deal?
I think they were just weird.
They were weird?
Yeah.
Like, I mean.
What if you're the common denominator?
I could be.
I could be.
What if you're the common denominator?
But I would, I think most people would agree that they were weird.
I think that there just like wasn't that many people that I had liked off of the dating apps.
And so like the people that are like most responsive to like actually going on a date and like kind of initiating it are usually the ones that are more desperate.
And so I think, and I'm not the one to initiate it.
So I think that the people I did end up with were just weirder.
And yeah.
Were there people that you were interested from the dating apps that you were interested in, but they didn't initiate it?
Yeah, or like it would be kind of like a conversation would start and then I'm also not a good texter.
It would fizzle.
It would fizzle.
Fizzle out.
Okay.
So you went on four dates.
Each date, just one date, didn't go further.
And when you say dates, like would you meet up for like a food or what?
Like meet up at a party?
Because you said you're 20, right?
I'm 20.
And like not going out to bars or whatever.
Yeah, no.
Must have a fake ID.
Yeah.
So I've like met up, like I've gone to smoothie.
I've gone like tea.
I went, the most recent time was actually like fun.
I went like thrifting at the Goodwill Bins.
That I had a lot of fun.
He didn't get anything.
And I was like, oh, maybe this is just all for me.
Like, it was kind of.
Did he pay?
Wait, you went for it?
He didn't pay.
Like, he didn't pay.
He offered and I was just like, no, because I didn't want to see him again.
So you said you had a good time, though.
I had a good time.
Thrifting.
I had a good time thrifting, but it was like I could have done that myself.
It wouldn't have time just alone.
Yeah, like it was kind of nice to have someone there, but it was like, yeah, it was not.
Was that an awkward date to go thrifting with somebody?
First date?
I know.
I kind of thought so, but I don't know.
I really wanted to go thrifting.
So I was like, yeah, I kind of wanted to do something I wanted to do.
So at least even if the person sucked, at least I would have fun.
So what's the longest period of time moving off from the dating apps that you've been with one person?
Probably like a couple months.
A couple months?
Okay.
Yeah, I just remember talking.
Because you said you've been single for your whole life.
Yeah, I can.
Well, like, kind of going back to the definition of single, I just, for me, it's always been really casual and it's never been like an official relationship.
So I consider it myself.
So you're talking like you've had friends with benefits.
I haven't even called it friends with benefits.
Like, I feel like that is kind of like a funny name.
And if unless you're like.
What would you call it?
I would just say I'm talking to someone.
I just personally wouldn't say friends with benefits.
Is there carnal knowledge?
What?
Okay.
No, is that?
Okay, I should just.
Carnal knowledge.
Friends with benefits in like the definition, like definitional use of the term friends with benefits.
Like, if you're intimate with somebody.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Like, using that definition, have you had friends with benefits?
Oh, okay, then yes.
Okay.
I just, yeah.
Sorry.
And so why, um, but none of these guys, well, the guy you were seeing, you said for three months?
There's one.
Kinda.
It was, it was like, it was like summer, like, maybe before college, or I think it was that summer.
So, yeah, like a couple months or something like that.
And it was like, I don't know.
I wouldn't even say we were really friends.
So I don't know if that really counts as friends.
How did you meet him?
I met him at my friend's birthday party.
Okay.
So summer fling, three months.
Who ended that?
Me.
You ended it?
Yeah.
Okay.
And then the four dates you went on.
What do you think with the four dates that you went on off of the dating apps?
Were they, was it a personality thing?
Were they not attractive physically?
What do you think it was there?
Yeah, kind of all of that.
I think they just look at their photos.
I did.
I mean, they just look different in person.
They were pushing you, they catch you.
Kinda.
I mean, yeah, just like I said.
Can I see your profile right now?
Sure.
I don't have my phone on me, so actually no.
Should we?
Eh, it's okay.
We can't pull it up on the screen.
I'm not facing them.
Oh, no.
Wait, so you're currently on the app right now.
Are you still active on it?
Like, yeah, I have Hinge.
Yeah, like, I think if anyone's really been on Hinge, like, I don't know.
There's like no one on there.
No one.
Yeah.
I mean, I think every girl can say that all the guys are really ugly.
Like, I'm telling you, you're most compatible.
Is like, okay, well, anyway.
Oh, yeah.
Wait, no, no, no.
Go into that a little bit.
What do you mean?
All the guys are really ugly on Hinge?
Well, okay, maybe not every single one, but like the ones that you're able to access, unless you like pay, and I'm not going to do that.
So, yeah, they're just usually really ugly.
And it's just kind of like I open it, I get scared, and I get off.
Yeah.
I haven't been on Hinge in over a year.
I got off all the dating apps, but maybe it's changed in that one-year period, but you used to have like, you could match with, like, I think if people liked you, you had a limited amount of matches you could do, but to send a like, it was like seven in a day.
Has that changed?
Is it less now?
Well, you don't send out likes, right?
I think it's like Rose, like a super like or something.
Have they changed Hinge?
I don't know.
It's been a while.
Yeah, I think.
Yeah, I think you can basically like accept like when people match with you, like unlimited, but then I think when you're matching with other people, it's limited.
But more than seven, for sure.
Wait, so your primary thing, though, with Hinge is like the dudes on there are just ugly.
Yeah, I mean, yeah, my unpacking obviously.
Would you agree?
I'd have to agree.
But is that like the primary thing that you guys are kind of wanting or looking for?
Is like hot dude?
No, like you can say it.
You can say it.
No, I really don't think I'm like very superficial with that.
And I know I probably sound like I am, but a little bit.
It's okay.
But no, I actually am not.
I just think that like I'm telling you, I'm not being superficial when I say like these people are like scary looking.
Like I'm just like, and it's not even like looking, it's the pictures themselves are just like, it's frightening.
It's like fish photos?
No, not even.
I would prefer that on Instagram.
I would hold a picture of the five.
It's like it's like people that you don't know that if they like go outside or they have like a life outside of like just themselves, if that makes sense.
Okay.
Maybe you need to adjust your preferences.
Wait, whatever.
Yeah, I think Hinge is also trying to get people to like pay.
Yeah, I agree.
I think maybe it wasn't like that before.
I think now it's yeah, it's definitely like turning into other dating apps.
Wait, do you so who here currently has dating app profiles?
Wait, we should almost want to give you, we'll give you guys your phones.
We'll have you take screenshots of your profile and we're going to do a dating app review.
So Nick, if you can get them their phones, so take screenshots of all the photos and then also the prompts.
You know how there's the prompts on Hinge?
So take screenshots, send them individually to the whatever Instagram page and we'll get those going.
So dating app?
No.
Dating app, dating app.
I'm glad I deleted that.
I wanted to let it know.
And then we can collect.
We can collect.
Or should we just leave this here until?
No, just collect.
And then.
Thank you, Nick.
So we're going to do some deep dives into your guys's Instagrams.
Or not, excuse me, not Instagrams, dating apps.
Everything nice and fresh.
Not there.
So we'll do that.
Wait, and so where do you want me?
Just like oh, yeah, so the Instagram at whatever on Instagram.
Just send it a message and just individually send the screenshots that way.
What about like a screen recording?
No, do individual screenshots.
So all photos and all prompts from there.
While you guys are doing that, I'm going to move on to you.
What is your relationship status?
I am single right now.
My longest like consecutive relationship was eight months, but then that was in high school.
And then after that, I dated someone, like including like us talking and stuff, like for probably two years.
Two years.
Okay.
Yeah.
When did that end?
That ended in September.
Okay.
Wait, you said.
Hold on.
September.
Oh, so that was the one from eight months ago.
That's how you said you've been single for eight months?
Yeah.
That's the one that ended up.
Yeah, that was the one.
Yeah.
And you were in a talking stage for two years?
So, no.
So we were talking, then we dated, broke up, went no contact.
Started talking again, dated, broke up.
And then, so the course of that was two years.
Okay, got it.
Wait, so talking broke up.
There's only one breakup, though, right?
Or one?
Two.
So you got, you were together three times.
Twice.
Wait.
So we talked, dated, broke up, and then we talked again, dated again, and then broke up again.
Okay, I see.
Who broke up with who in each of those instances?
I broke up with him both times.
Both times, okay.
Good times.
What about you?
I've been married for eight years now.
So it's not that much, I can say.
Married eight years.
Did you say how did you guys meet?
So we met on set because we both work in the entertainment industry.
And we met in July.
We moved together in October and we got married on February.
And we have each other for a year.
Wait, for both of you, can you send the photos like one by one?
One by one together.
Because on desktop, it won't load it like in a group.
So just send them one at a time.
What about you, Tay?
I'm single as a Pringle.
I had dating apps, but I deleted them because I had a bad experience, and yeah, I don't want to talk to anybody anymore.
Oh.
Yeah, scared me.
Shit.
Was that recently?
Yeah.
They did bad.
Shit, sorry to hear.
Maybe getting anxiety over guys sometimes.
Too jealous for me.
Too jealous?
Uh-oh.
That's a yikes.
Mason.
What about you?
What's your single?
Yeah.
My longest relationship, a year.
But yeah, that's about it.
Yeah.
And you're waiting until marriage, correct?
Correct.
Yeah, waiting until marriage.
I'm a virgin.
We covered this before, but yeah, for those who do not know who I am.
Good times.
Good times.
Good job.
She says, good job.
Is anybody else, any other virgins here?
Right, look at me.
No.
I don't know, I'm just...
I don't know what's a bad thing.
I get down.
Nobody else a virgin.
Nobody?
Gustavo?
Amen.
Okay.
It's very admirable, honestly.
Nick, are you getting those pulled up?
Okay, we're getting the Tinders pulled up.
Guys, while you're doing that, let me just check one thing here.
Do we have any chance?
No, we're good on that front.
Guys, go to twitch.tv slash whatever.
Drop us a follow in the prime sub.
Also, if you can like the video, guys, get us to maybe 3,000 likes.
Oh, there it is.
Twitch.tv slash whatever.
Drop us a follow in the prime sub if you have it.
Thank you so much, NumEyes, Ghost Eagle, Anonymous, Gifter, Gildohorn, Sweet Silence, Firecap, and Wale for the tier one.
Thank you, guys.
Appreciate it.
Twitch.tv slash whatever.
Drop us a follow in the Prime sub.
If you have one, thank you guys.
Appreciate it.
You got it, Nick?
Yeah, I got the first one.
Okay, we'll work on the first one.
Who do we got here?
We got, how do you say your name again?
Why?
Aoi, like Maui.
Aoi.
Literally Maui without the M. Aoi.
That's me, like Aoi.
Yeah.
Aoi, like a.
Don't, don't even.
I already know you're not.
You don't like that one?
I'm so used to it.
I'm just like, I hear it.
You hear it too much?
Yeah, I get the same thing with Brian.
They're like Brian, like.
Loose pussy energy donated $100.
Brian, little dicky-looking motherfuckers should be the last person calling dudes ugly.
These busted as 300.
Okay.
Yeah, I said it.
Do some.
Hashtag get the rocks.
Hashtag lay by honest.
Hashtag stopcapping.
Do you guys want to respond?
I think it's.
Can we see what you look like, loose pussy energy?
What's up with that?
LPE.
They want to see what you look like, LPE.
They want to see what you look like.
I got them ready.
Sophia, it looks like I only got two photos from you.
Oh, okay, wait, let me leave it.
Did you mess up one of them?
I won twice.
Yeah, so that one I messed up.
I think the other ones are still sending.
Oh, okay.
Yeah.
Sure.
Awie?
Yeah, let's do Awi will wait.
All right.
Let's just get this over with.
All right.
This is Aoi's hinge profile.
So, chat, are you swiping yes?
Yes.
On Aoi.
Okay.
We'll instantly hit it off.
You laugh about everything.
We turn up to bangers into whip.
You down for whatever, whenever, wherever.
I like that last.
In my defense, I haven't changed this in like a really long time.
Defense is noted.
Next.
You should not go out with me if you're not a munch.
Hold on here.
What's a munch?
For me, really, just somebody who eats coach.
So, wait, deal breaker if the guy doesn't eat pussy.
If you're like, I mean, I'm not going to like, you know, it's not like you have to do that every like two hours or something, but if we're like having sex and you don't want to like, you know, eat the cat, then it's.
I don't know.
I mean, if I'm going to like, you know, do that for you, you better do the same, you know?
There's some people who really don't.
So I agree.
I'm kind of just who here?
Who else agrees?
Let's go around the table on this.
Deal breaker if the guy doesn't eat pussy.
Yes, especially if they want their dick sucked.
Oh my god.
Another one, thank you.
No.
Why are we talking about this?
I feel like it's kind of just fair.
I don't know.
Fairness.
Yeah.
Like, well, that's so.
She's her point was: especially if the guy wants to be with reciprocal pleasure, but just is it a deal breaker?
Let's let's remove the reciprocal pleasure thing from this.
Deal breaker if he doesn't do that.
Wait, hold on.
I want to, I want to, wait.
So I'm not saying I don't think that you should do that with any stranger every time that you go on a date or every time that you meet someone.
I don't think that should be happening.
For me, sex is sacred, and I think anything that evolves that.
But at the same time, when you find the person that you love and you want to be with it, I think all that needs to happen.
Because, I mean, you're going to spend the rest of your life with that person.
Oh, yeah.
I agree with that.
Yeah.
So, in your own words, though.
Yeah, I would say that, like, yeah, if it's just a random hookup, I'm probably not going to expect anything.
But if it was someone that I'm planning on having a more serious relationship with, then yeah, it probably would be a deal breaker in the long run.
I don't think it's a deal breaker.
Okay.
We heard from you, Tay.
No, it's not a deal breaker.
Mason.
What do you think, Mason?
Actually, there is a Bible verse that hits on not this topic explicitly, but it talks about a spouse who's unwilling to give their body to their other spouse.
So it's that's in 1 Corinthians, I think.
I can't remember the exact reference, but it says that your body is that you already give your body to your spouse for them to use and for you to be able to use their body as well.
You're supposed to be one.
You become one, yes.
Exactly.
So in the context of marriage, I will keep that between my wife and I.
But yeah, anything goes.
Yeah.
I'll also say, please, like, just don't take that too seriously.
Like, the whole process.
I took it pretty seriously.
Wait, so serious here.
Deal breaker if the guy won't go down.
I'll give my take on this.
I don't do that.
Why not, though?
I don't do that.
Is it maybe because you don't like the other person enough or are you like afraid?
I'm a fan of labia, don't get me wrong.
I like a little bit of a drink.
Maybe we try to find the right person.
I've found the right person.
I've found throughout the years, I've had long-term relationships, but I'll do anything for love, but I won't do that.
Damn.
I'll do anything.
Why?
Are you worried you're not good?
Oh, I'm good.
The three times I did it back in the Bush administration.
This was back in the last.
That's the last time I went down on the girl was the Bush administration.
No pun intended.
So are you going to let?
Yeah, like, how would it be?
It's been like over a decade.
A decade and a half.
Wait.
Yeah, a decade and a half.
It's been a while.
Shit.
I don't understand.
I wouldn't do it.
I understand that.
She gets it.
She gets it.
I'm a fan of.
There's a lot of girls who are really like 304s and they're doing that with every guy.
Well, no, that's not like if you're not saying I'm a munch and all that, that's going to make a guy think you always get your boxy and that looks bad.
I wouldn't want to.
I'm good.
Relationship or no?
I'm out.
Well, certainly, like, I mean, my position is I just don't do it, period.
But now, hold on, let me just let me add a little bit here.
I do care about my partner's pleasure.
So it's my goal.
I want her to come first.
She's got to come first.
Preferably multiple times, but not that way.
You know what?
Yeah, that actually makes sense because there's only okay.
Well, if it's like only one guy has ever made me like bust with his meat.
You know what I mean?
So, yeah, I know.
It sucks, right?
So meat.
With his meat?
Me.
Oh, this is peeing.
Yeah.
His pee-pee.
Yeah, his pee.
Fund it.
Fund it.
At least it.
Hands, there's hands.
Shit, you can even employ toys.
Bust out the toys.
But I've never, at least for me, like the one.
That's some, that's just something that I like.
You know what I mean?
Like, I, oh, sorry, Titan.
Okay, like, I would, I would want top, you know, what can I say?
Word?
Like, I want head.
And I feel like that, at least for me, that's like the easiest.
Like, okay, well, sorry, hey, that's kind of my, like, my thing that I like.
So, you know, like, when you do that, I like it's hot.
I bust a net.
And then, you know, we, maybe I return the favor, you know, maybe not, maybe I already did.
And then, you know, we go into fucking.
Wait, maybe you return the favor, maybe you don't.
It always depends on like the situation, you know.
Like, if you want to, like, give me top and then boom, like, straight to fuck.
Like, okay.
So smash, you know.
But.
Yeah, well, I'll start off by this.
Look, I don't do it across the board, but if there's viewers, male viewers in the chat who are inclined to do it, I would at least recommend you don't do it with casual hookups.
I agree.
I think that's a good idea.
I don't know if these people be fucking multiple people at the same time.
I don't know.
Why I also put that on there is just that, like, if you're, if you're, like, not the type of person to give head, then you're probably not, you know, just, I'm not asking for it like off-rip.
You know, that's a little, I don't even.
I think you probably are, though.
What do you mean?
You want it to fucking.
You want it first time.
You want it first time.
That's not me.
That's really not me.
Well, okay, so having it on a dating profile kind of gives that image that you, like, you're that kind of girl who will put out that way, like, with every guy you date.
So, like, I don't know.
Maybe take it off the profile.
You can, like, you can put it on.
I definitely don't.
I do look in.
You can, like, like, there's a certain amount of selflessness that comes with like trying to please your partner.
But, like, maybe you can frame it in a different way because the guys are going to reel in with that.
How is she gonna frame it on the date?
I'm not saying I wish for men to go below the shit.
We should say no, right?
No, it's called on maps like those.
It's not a bad thing to have on a dating profile.
I think it definitely is there to prevent people.
I mean, it is if you are dating.
Sorry.
I do want to answer your question.
How you said, like, you said, what exactly am I looking at?
Because if you're looking for just messing around and have your body and all that showing and say, I'm a munch, but if you're looking for a husband, I think you should probably change that type of stuff.
Because I'm a munch.
If I've seen that, I would think you're like three or four.
I'm trying to smash.
Yeah.
A strumpet.
What is that?
I've never heard that before.
A strumpet.
Okay, I'll just assume whatever.
But I'm definitely not looking for my husband.
I know I'm so not sure if you're a man.
She's looking for a munch.
Oh, okay.
That's what she's looking.
You're looking for a munch, right?
She wants a munch?
Well, a munch, yeah, but you know, like, more than just like a serial donated $100.
Just remember: if you have sex with one person, you're having sex with all of the previous people that they had sex with.
Certain things you just can't get rid of.
Would you ever let a guy raw dog you?
Raw dog is just like raw sex, right?
Yeah.
Yeah.
But not just like random, though.
You know what I mean?
If we had already had how do I explain it?
Okay, so at least like the way that I look for it or like go on Hinge, whatever.
I'm trying to find somebody who I'm just like at least compatible with personality-wise.
Like, you know, gotta be a munch.
Huh?
They gotta be a munch.
Oh, yeah.
No, yeah, yeah.
But I don't mean, you know, like.
Personality.
That does matter.
Yeah.
No.
Okay.
Let me finish.
Okay, you got this.
You got this.
So basically, like, I'm not looking for anything too serious on this app, right?
If I was, I would not be on this app.
Mostly, I'm trying.
Yeah.
They're just any, period.
You know, I'm trying to find somebody like, hey, like, we can catch a vibe.
Catch a vibe.
Maybe like, yeah, you know, like after work, whatever.
Kind of build the relationship to like we're close enough that like we're friends, but we have sex.
Maybe we're not like having too much like expectations of each other.
Because at least I'm not.
I have a question.
Is this the reason why dating apps are so bad now?
Because I thought dating apps were for people who are introverted and don't can't go out and date.
That's the reason why I got off of them because guys would talk to me like if I posted stuff like her and I never posted like my body or certain things and I just feel like a lot of people ruin it.
Like the stuff you're saying, I'm like, geez, for all the people who want love and don't go out.
Like I'm a YouTuber.
I never leave my house and I go to school.
Like you guys are ruining it for all the people who want love and stuff.
I think it's kind of.
I didn't think it was for like sleeping around.
I mean, I think it's actually pretty common.
Well, Hinge, I feel like is a little more serious.
Like you have Tinder and I don't know what's going on.
Yeah.
Tinder's like hookup app.
Yeah.
Look, but people can find relationships even from Tinder, but Tinder is a bit more hookupy.
Hinge seems a little bit more serious, but you'll have people on there who are like looking for marriage, and then you'll have people on there who are just looking for like casual, casual dating.
So it's like a mixed, it's a mixed bag for sure on Tinder.
I don't think what she's doing is necessarily out of the out of the norm.
I have never heard someone saying, oh, I met my husband or my wife in Tinder.
Or I have never met anyone.
I don't know if any of you, but I have not.
And then before my husband and I got together, he had two girls that he met on Tinder and we have to put a restraining order in both of them.
Like that's how bad I think.
Yeah, that's how bad I think and how low the vibration is in that type of app.
Very low vibration.
Very low.
Vibrations are low.
Well, like whenever you go into those apps, you have to have your filter on.
Wait, who was asking about the was it the previous chat?
Sorry, killer of cereal?
He was saying, oh, the Roth.
Well, actually, really quick, just going around the table really quick.
Who here is on birth control?
Yes.
No.
Yes.
I have an IUD.
Okay.
I also have an IUD.
IUD or something on a pill?
I'm on the pill.
Okay.
Mason?
What's your form of birth control?
The Bible.
There it is.
Okay.
All right.
Wait, just curious.
But you take birth control.
Is it to regulate your something?
To regulate my hormones.
I do have PCOS.
Okay.
Got it.
All right.
So.
No.
Yeah, I wouldn't do it.
What?
The oral sex thing.
Oh, okay.
Okay.
There's other ways.
There's other ways, you know.
If you got to bust out toys, even, that's preferable for me.
That's like, you know, for other people, though, I like the feeling of like a mouth down there.
After you've been married for a while, you know, especially a while, you're going to start doing all this stuff.
I don't think so.
I'm pretty steadfast.
Nick, I am steadfast in my steadfastness.
Okay.
Let's go back to the business.
Would you ever just say to a girl, like, no, I don't give ahead, like, anytime, like, during the first day?
No, no, no.
If your wife approached you and say, hey, Brian, I want to do this.
And you're being with her for 10 years now.
Will you say no?
I'm not into that.
Or would you say, hey, I'm going to try and get it?
That's not really my thing.
Wow.
Dang.
Hey.
That's the way it is.
What do you mean?
She would know going in.
You know, that's how it works.
Yeah, but after, yeah, but relationships just, they change and they evolve.
And then, you know, but here's a question for you.
Sometimes you get bored.
Here's a question for you.
Let's say you're in that situation and you, your husband, you accepted that your husband doesn't want to do that.
But then eight years into the marriage, just like you said, you want to have oral sex, but he still doesn't.
You have a conversation and he's steadfast and he says no.
Do you push it?
Yes.
Or do you drop it?
No, I'll push it.
You push it?
Yes.
Ooh, that seems a little like not respecting his sexual boundaries.
When you're being married for someone for that long, you feel comfortable enough to say, hey, I would like to try this.
And if you don't like it, then I'll.
Oh, so you're saying he has to try it.
Of course.
How are you going to say something no if you don't try it first?
Well, what if he did with a I don't know?
This is going to live.
Imagine if a guy said that there's so many women who don't like to suck fun dip.
And if a guy said, you have to do it.
You would be so mad at me.
No, no, no.
We're talking about marriage.
We're not talking about dating casual or with structure.
Yeah, we're talking about marriage.
That's a preference.
If you don't want to or you don't want to, you don't have to.
Wait, but do you think the husband?
Yeah, you don't, but you can try because you want to please your partner and see if it goes well or not.
And then you can make a decision together.
But you wouldn't.
And I don't like it after that.
Look, you have to, when you're with someone for so long, you are capable to do a small sacrifice to please your partner and vice versa.
Because marriage is give and take.
It's never going to be give me, give me, give me, or meet compromise.
Yes, and you have to do that.
No compromise.
I don't agree with that.
No compromise.
Not always.
I'm not going to compromise.
But hold on.
Are you religious by chance?
Are you religious at all?
Okay.
So is your relationship 50-50?
No, it's never going to be 50-50.
Do you want him to be like the leader in the relationship?
He's the leader.
He's the leader.
Yes.
But how are you going to say you would like, I mean, I know you're not presently in this situation with your husband, but if he's the leader and his final word is, I'm not going to do that.
And you're going to be like, no, no, no.
You are.
That's not really following your business.
A leader wouldn't do that.
A mindful husband.
Yes, a leader, of course.
I don't really know what to say.
I don't want it.
A mindful husband will be like, I'm the leader, and because as my job and my duty as a leader, I'm gonna.
Well, there are certain things that you're gonna do.
My job is to be plus.
No, no, no, no.
A leader be considerate of those they're leading.
Okay, I have to kind of push back at this.
Let's go.
You got that other things in our general.
Okay, if you take into example like any leadership structure in the entire world, whether you talk about hierarchies in the animal kingdom, whether you talk about corporate structures, when a boss or someone in leadership above you says, no, this is not going to happen, or yes, this is going to happen, their word goes.
It doesn't matter what you think.
Like, if your boss says, I need this project done tomorrow, does not matter how you feel about it.
You can't compare that with a marriage.
Yeah, you can.
No, you can't.
Yes.
And I'm talking about my experience because I've been married for almost a decade.
My dad.
Why is this the only thing that's going to make us eating each other out?
Okay, well, hold up, hold up.
it right now other other things too I mean like the stuff that you're talking about you know it kind of makes it what what you're saying is like what I say goes As a husband, what I say goes.
And I mean, there's always like, there should be definitely room for means to listen to the people that is following you.
I'm not saying that, like, if I go, if my boss tells me I need this project done tomorrow, I can tell him, hey, that time frame is, I can't do that.
I cannot meet that timeframe.
You can't compare.
Yes, you can.
Well, because it's leadership.
Okay, if you're talking about...
A truth bomb donated $100.
Married chick.
I don't have to try something to know I never want to do it.
What if your husband asks you to peg him?
That's a wild date.
That's true.
I mean, I'll try if that's what he wants.
So if we're talking, like, what you're talking about.
We're going to be to that for the rest of her life, but talking about, he's not the leader then.
You guys are co-partners.
If you're talking, if you say that you guys are co-partners in the relationship, then we can have a conversation because then we can disagree.
But what you're describing is co-partners.
He's the leader of the house.
Well, he's not the leader of the house.
If you describe it the way that you're describing it, like you guys have equal say in what's going to happen.
At the end of the day, the leader makes the final decision.
If that's not true, then he's not the leader.
Then you guys are in a partnership relationship.
If you guys are like, definitions are important.
When I spit out the word leader, where underscore is underscore the underscore empathy donated $100.
You dudes are confusing leaders and bosses.
Absolutely.
No.
Leaders have advisors.
No.
Okay.
What does a leader do?
Explain that to me.
A leader is a serve.
They take charge.
You serve?
Yeah, you're a bad person.
What does a leader do?
She does a taking charge.
Okay, so takes charge or serves, which is.
Take charge definitely.
They have advisors.
They have people they talk to.
It's not just all on their like that.
Well, I'm not saying that the wife has like, stay silent, woman.
I'm doing what I want to do.
I will ask, like, my dad, I'll take my dad as an example.
He listens to my mom.
Like, she is the first person he'll ask advice from.
Hey, this is going on.
What do you think we should do?
We're going to talk about this.
It's going to affect our family, our marriage.
She'll give her opinion.
But then my dad makes the final decision.
And he's made plenty of decisions that my mom disagrees with.
But because he is the leader, he has the final say.
And that's what leadership is.
You have the final say.
And with that final say comes responsibility.
So if it doesn't pan out the way that you wanted it to pan out, it is now you are responsible for that failure.
So that's the responsibility of the leader as well.
There is given taking.
Killer of cereal donated $100.
Say you meet a date from an app and you really hate it off, but it's not marriage material.
How many dates would it take for you to accept no protection sex?
Or are condoms mandatory in any scenario?
How many dates would it take for you to accept was this directed at somebody in particular, or I don't know?
We'll go around the table on that really quick.
Why not?
I personally wouldn't do that at all.
Even with someone who I am going to get married to, the condom's staying on never has kids, remember?
I don't want kids.
I don't want kids.
That's why.
What agreement?
Shit, what was the question again?
How many dates would it take for you to accept sex without a condom?
No protection?
There's definitely hell no, chill.
Let's be honest.
Let's be honest.
Just be honest.
It also depends on.
Okay, well, I'm not.
Okay, let me finish my hand.
Go ahead.
Okay.
Go ahead.
So it's definitely not like a particular number of dates or anything, but it's good to know.
Yeah, I think it literally is.
And also, it's also safe, or the safest to go get tested together, get your results together, see if you guys have anything, have unprotected sex.
If we're going on to the thing about, you know, do you do that though?
People say that, but I'm like, do they do it?
You know what?
No, and that's my fault, but definitely go.
Going into the future, though.
Truthbomb donated $100.
Have to say, if your husband asks you to peg him, pretty sure he's gay.
That is something no straight guy is going to do ever.
What does the panel think if they were in this situation?
Oh, I missed the pegging thing.
Yeah, they were saying.
What was they saying?
They were saying if I was comfortable, if my husband, would you do it?
Yeah, I mean, so wait, is Truthbomb wants me to do a panel on that?
Oh, wait, seven sectillion, seven hundred and seventy-seven sextillion, seven hundred and seventy-seven quadrants.
Like the video guys, guys like the video guys, guys twitch.tv slash whatever twitch.tv slash Do they do that on purpose?
The strand comes back like this.
That's why I think you guys want me to get up and get worried what they're doing.
That was awkward.
Okay.
So Truth Bomb was asking to go around the table on the would you be let the guy or you want to peg the guy?
Is that the husband asked you to do it?
Yes, if your husband asks you, would you ask me?
And if that means he's gay, that's also the question.
Can we pull the question back up?
Well, so he sent in two.
So related to this conversation, would you let your boyfriend husband whatever?
Or would you peg him?
I really don't.
Thank you, Truth Bomb, for this great fucking question.
It's awkward.
Maybe if they had the stuff already, because I'm not buying straps and stuff.
He has the stuff.
No.
It's like Arby's.
We've got the meats.
Try it, but.
You'd try it, but you'd.
It's probably not something.
Not your thing.
Yeah.
Okay, what about you?
Doggy style, too.
Okay, I don't know.
I've just.
I'm definitely not like a never say never kind of person, but like, is that like, I don't know, like, yeah, I don't know.
That sounds like a no.
Okay, what about you?
No.
I mean, probably, I don't really know.
I think it'd be like, depending on like a case-to-case scenario, but I don't think what is the case.
Well, like, depending on, like, if I'm married, okay.
If I'm like very in love, do I think it's gonna end?
Like, you know, just like kind of like.
And so you wouldn't do it with what?
I wouldn't do it if like I was not in love or like I was, you know, it was gonna end.
Yeah, uncomfortable.
Somehow, like, I was uncomfortable with doing it, then I wouldn't do it.
But thinking, but like, I wouldn't not do it because I would think, hold on.
I don't think it would make him gay.
There you go.
So, like, that wouldn't be a reason not to.
All right, what about you?
I'd agree with that, but I'm leaning more towards no.
Okay.
I wouldn't do it to a stranger, but your husband.
Yeah, I mean, if you want me, I'll contrive.
I mean, I will make the sacrifice if you want me to have never asked me for, by the way.
But it wouldn't shift how you feel towards him at all.
I will have to try first and then see how I feel about it.
What if there's like the point of no return?
Once you do it, it just totally changes.
As overall, like, isn't there a situation that you can see your partner in that would be like there's no going back from this?
Like, it just totally changes how you view them.
Like, they do something.
Like, they cry during Titanic?
I don't know.
No, I mean, I've seen my husband crying.
During Titanic?
No, no, they're in Titanic, but some other occasions.
And I think anything that just, what if you start crying during brokeback nothing?
That would be strange.
He's like, I wish I could leave.
Okay, it's a no for me.
No, for me.
No for you.
Okay.
I missed the part about the whole you guys were having back and forth about leadership.
I think that's where we.
Holy shit.
Oh my god, it's Peyo.
Holy shit, he is raiding us.
Nick, we got to pull up this guy's Instagram.
Ladies, this guy is a legend.
He's single.
We got some single girls here.
We're going to try to get this guy addicted.
Instagram, Peyo, what's your Instagram?
Just Google it.
PayoWow, I think, on Instagram.
Yo, Peyo, thank you so much for the raid, man.
Really appreciate it, dude.
Let me give you a little shout out here on Twitch.
Speaking of which, guys, Peyo, I actually was watching a stream earlier today.
The dude, he was in a, was a GDKP.
He's doing Nax, right?
And he missed out on The Hunger and Cold, like, you know, the best offhand sword from Nax Ramis, Nax 40, World of Warcraft Classic.
But, like, I'm just curious, like, would you guys go all in on either Gressel or The Hunger and Cold from KT, Kelthazad?
Like, it's a GDG G DKP.
Like, you go all in, like, all your gold.
Like, gold cap.
What the hell are you talking about?
Like, do you go all in on like Gressel?
I don't even know what these words are.
You're saying, bro.
That just sounds like a bad thing.
Okay, here.
Let me give a bit more context.
You're a human, male human rogue.
Okay?
Do you go all in on Gressel?
What is Gressel?
How do you guys not know what fucking?
Hold on.
Or like, does anybody know what you should know?
Let me do a little shout-out for the little menu.
Bro, you really like saying that so casually.
Shout out, Peyo.
Thank you, man.
Appreciate it, Peya.
Frederic, yes, Frederic.
Okay, guys.
Would you date?
Scroll down, Nick.
Frederic here.
Scroll down.
Scroll down, Nick.
Where's his keyboard one, though?
I'm gonna find his keyboard, his little keyboard video.
Could you put us on the other side small, Nick?
That's so cute.
Scroll down.
Scroll down.
Keep scrolling.
His name's Frederique.
Great guy.
He's a fucking legend World of Warcraft player.
He primarily plays Rogue, but also his Hunter is pretty good, right?
By the way, if you're coming over from Peyo, we're on Twitch.
Drop us a phone on the Prime sub.
There he is.
Pull up the sword one.
He's got fucking Thunder Fury.
Look at this fucking Giga Chad.
Put this on the other side.
Other.
Yeah.
Thunder Fury, Blessed Blade of the.
Fuck, what is it?
Wind Seeker?
Fuck.
Sorry.
I haven't played Classic in a minute.
Do you.
So, okay, you've seen his photos.
He's obviously a very handsome guy.
He's got like, he parses really good.
Like Warcraft vlogs and shit.
Like, he's a legendary parser.
Would you guys date him?
Yes or no?
Starting with you.
I can't really go off of pictures.
That's not something I do.
But I don't know anything about this guy.
I don't know.
Just pick him up.
Can we get him not knowing him?
I would say that's a good idea.
Wait, Peyo, can we get this guy?
Can we call?
Peyo, are you still watching?
Let's get him to do a call in right now.
Peyo, can you join our Discord, discord.gg/slash whatever?
And we're going to have you do a call in right now, dude.
We're going to have Peyo call in, and he's going to speed date you guys right now.
But going around the table, would you date him?
No, thank you.
What the?
Bro.
Okay, what about you?
He's not giving like munch energy.
He doesn't give munch energy.
Right, because that's a deal breaker.
Okay.
Yeah, give him a shot.
What if he is a munch, though?
If he's a munch, do you reconsider?
He's a gamer.
Can you stay at home?
Ooh, I know.
He's got those like game brands, right?
Oh, I didn't see all that.
He's got gamers.
Would you date?
Probably not.
No, I'm not into gaming, so I feel like we're very different.
He also skateboards.
He's a skateboarder and he.
What are his interests?
Hobbies?
I think he just mostly plays Warbler.
Do you know if he's Hispanic?
He looks Hispanic.
He looks Hispanic.
I think he's Black-Irish.
Siable Español?
I'll say yes.
He's a gamer.
I think he's Black-Irish.
Wow, that's cool, Nick.
What about you?
I'd go now.
I feel like our interests are different, and I think there could be a bit of an age gap, too.
Is there an age gap?
Peyo, how old are you?
Wait, I'm reading the Twitch chat right now.
How old is Peyo, guys?
He's 38, 45, 38.
No, come on.
He's not that old.
39?
45?
He lives in Quebec.
He looks like 20.
64?
Come on, guys.
38?
How old is he?
How old's Peyo?
He's out of his 20s.
He always says 38.
I think he's like.
I think he says that as a joke.
I think he's like late 20s.
I think he's late 20s.
Probably goofy.
What's his actual age?
Stop.
You guys are trolling us.
Third girl in the corner, 39 in April.
I don't know.
But you're married.
If I was single.
If you were single.
I won't.
I wouldn't date him.
Okay.
Sorry.
What about him?
Yeah, I just have to know if he's Hispanic or not.
I just want to know that.
You said Irish and Blackboard.
They were joking.
He's a gamer, though.
Maybe I'd give it a shot.
As long as he's loyal.
That's what I'll be doing.
Okay, okay.
All right.
Loyalty.
Was there something else we were pulling up, Nick?
We were in the middle of the day, we're doing the date.
I know while we were talking about the dating apps thing, I'm trying to find Peyo's keyboard thing.
He has a keyboard clip that I have somewhere.
I'm going to check.
Let me check the Dropbox file while we were talking. Thank you.
Thank you again, Peyo, for the raid.
We were talking about leadership somehow because she only will date a guy who's a munch, which means only gives oral carnal knowledge.
Yeah, we were talking about if a man says like I'm not going to do that, is that like a quality of a leader?
And a lot of people were disagreeing with me that that would not be a leadership quality, him just having that last word saying, no, that's not something we're going to do.
I think a leadership is a person who is mindful and then has a reason behind the decision they're making.
But also when you're in a marriage and you love your significant other, you want that person to feel loved, cared for, especially when you're in privacy, in intimacy.
So as a leader, it's your duty towards your partner, wife, husband, whatever it is, to make them feel love sexually or in any way, even if that means not to do something that you wouldn't enjoy that much.
But the fact that the other person is enjoying, that's very fulfilling for yourself.
That's how I see it, and that's my experience in my marriage.
Every marriage is different.
And I think also that there are certain things when you're having sex with someone.
For me, that's very sacred.
And I think you should just have sex with the person that you want to spend the rest of your life.
Yeah, so I don't disagree that I should be listening to my spouse, my significant other, what they want.
And when they express those things, as a dutiful husband, you should listen to that, think about it.
But if the leader, if your husband comes back and says, no, it's not something that's going to happen, are you going to submit to his leadership as a follower?
Or are you still going to combat him and say, no, I really want this?
Because if that's the case, if you still say, no, I don't care, I still want to do this.
You have to submit to my will, then you guys, he's not the leader.
You guys are just co-partners.
So when you're saying, I don't care, I guess when he asked me if I would push it, what I meant with pushing, I will say, why we don't give it a try?
Well, then we can make a decision.
I guess I'm talking about it in extremely general terms.
I'm going to push it in a minute.
Well, no, no, no.
That's not what I was saying.
Well, so say you come to him and say, hey, I want to do this.
And he thinks about it.
He listens to what you have to say, the reasons.
And then he comes back and says, I'm sorry, I've thought about this, but it's not something that's going to happen.
It has happened in many other situations through our marriage, but my husband always has been very mindful when it's about our intimacy.
So we do have had those situations before, not sex-related, but with others.
And he has said, I'm sorry, but we're not doing that.
And I have to completely agree with it.
Okay.
So in that case, that is leadership.
And I think it's extremely important.
But you have to understand there is a difference between the leadership overall in a marriage and a relationship with your partner and the leadership on bed.
It's different.
So it's dependent upon the man.
So for your husband, for your husband, he's willing to do whatever you want in your marriage.
And that's great.
Like, that's awesome that you have that.
But for some men, it's just not something that they're going to do.
So as a woman, if you're in that relationship, if you're married to that man and he says, I'm sorry, it's not going to happen, will you be willing, are you going to be willing to say, I submit to your leadership?
It might be hard.
It might be like, I really want this, but are you going to submit to that leadership?
And that's what leadership is.
Like it is making that final decision, having that last say.
And are you going to be a good follower and say, okay, I trust your leadership, I trust you.
Right.
And then as a leader, also as well, you're taking in consideration the people who follow you.
Which is important.
Right.
And then what I'm making this decision, you know, if this decision is good for both us, because remember, it's a team.
When you're in marriage, it's a fully team.
And sometimes, you know, sometimes you give a little bit more.
Sometimes some days the person gives a little bit more than you.
And that's how a marriage we have bad days, we have good days, we have disagreement.
But the important thing about marriage is disagree and be able to move forward.
But this all stemmed from, just to recap for anybody who's just joining us.
You said that you would push when it came to oral.
What I meant with push is, let's give it a try.
And if you don't feel it, let's role play it.
Go ahead.
Pretend I'm the dude.
And you want oral.
Let's role play it.
Let's see how this conversation will go.
Would you like to try oral sex tonight?
Oh, I thought I'm not really into that.
Sorry, Ben.
Well, that's not a husband answer.
Sorry, I'm not into that.
That sounds like you're dating a stranger.
But you hold on.
Okay.
Okay, let's break the.
Break the ice.
Yeah.
The context here is like.
No, it's not syntactic.
You don't talk like that to your partner.
You say, hey, honey, let's sit down and have a, they have a.
Yeah, you just sit down and have an adult conversation with your partner.
That was an adult conversation.
No, it's not.
Sorry, honey, I'm not into this.
This is just very strange and short.
Hold on.
Wait, wait, wait, hold on.
Before you do that, let's continue the role playing.
So I'm basing this on how my marriage is with my husband.
So every time we're going to make a decision, we should download it.
And you said that for sure.
For we haven't had any oral sex in our eight-year marriage.
You said we've been married for eight years.
No, I never said we have never had oral sex.
When did I say that?
That's the whole conversation we're having now.
No, no, no.
The guy never wanted a oral sex.
You're talking about a supposition that that never happened on my marriage?
Not your literal current marriage.
Yeah.
I'm talking in this hypothetical.
Hypothetical.
Okay.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Okay.
So the context of this conversation was: is it a deal breaker if the guy's not willing to go down?
In a hypothetical marriage that is not mine?
So let's.
Right, but you're saying.
I think just for yours, like, you know, like, is that a deal breaker?
No.
But you said that, okay, well, okay, maybe at the beginning, but if you're together for long enough and if you're you really want that, then you're going to ask.
Right.
But the context here is the guy never did it in the relationship ever.
There's been no prior oral sex.
So this would be the first time.
So you knew of this already.
Also, like me knowing that he wasn't comfortable with it.
And then many times.
You said, well, eight years into a marriage, things changed.
Right.
Right.
But I'm guessing that, and I apologize, English is not my first language.
So I'm guessing that you, after many years being with someone and the person came out and said, hey, I don't really want to do this.
And you already knew that I don't feel comfortable doing this since the beginning.
That's where you're telling me right now.
Well, that, yeah, that's been the.
Yeah.
I don't know.
I will have to be in that situation.
I will have to.
Yeah.
Well, no, I cannot tell you.
No, I'm not going to tell you something that I haven't lived through it.
I don't have that type of relationship.
Yeah, but that's also a hypothetical.
How would I react in a hypothetical?
I would probably say, let's give it a try.
If you don't feel comfortable, then I will respect that and we won't talk about it anymore and we wouldn't try it anymore.
That's what probably.
That totally contradicts your position earlier, which was like you seem to really give pushback because I think our position was if we said, hey, we're not interested in doing that, you'd be like, no, no, no, that's not the end of the conversation.
Well, because when you have a partner, you talk to when it's this type of thoughts.
It's not the same making a decision, it's like, we're going to get a new car or we're going to get a new house.
It's not the same.
It seems like a bigger decision than that.
Right, right.
So that's why you sit down and say, yeah, but that's when it comes what I was just saying to him.
You talk to your partner and you say, well, I really would like to do this.
Can we give it a try?
And the person will, because you mind, you're mindful and you're the leader, you're the husband, and you really want to please your wife because you loved it, you will say, I'm going to give it a try even if I'm not comfortable.
But if I don't like it, I want you to understand that I don't want to do it anymore.
Right, but here's my position.
There is no, I'm going to try it just once.
It's, I'm not trying this at all.
And is your position I'm going to continue pushing from?
Why would you want to try to try to please your wife?
You don't even need to know a why.
But you tell me why.
You don't need to know why.
I think no is sufficient.
It's just respecting somebody's boundaries.
That's where he's trying to get at.
And if you're not going to be able to do it, I agree with boundaries.
But when you have a picture of it, no is a total.
Oh my God.
Sorry, I just butchered it.
No is a sentence.
I totally butchered that.
Hold on.
I'm sorry.
I understand.
I understand.
I understand that, but you know, when you're being with someone for so long, the relationship just evolved to something else.
And you feel comfortable enough to say, hey, I don't want to do this, but I love you very much.
And we've been together for a really, really long time.
And I'm mindful of what you want and your desires.
So I'm going to give it a try because that's a marriage.
You give up some things for your partner and your partner gives up some things for you.
Well, okay.
So what about, let's move it a step forward.
What about anal sex?
Have you had that with your husband?
Yes.
Okay.
I can't really use that as an argument.
Look, there's some women that are not inclined ever to even try it once.
And I think it would not be like.
It's rude to push it.
I think it would be rude to like push it.
You could revisit it down the road, but if she still says no, or even maybe the guy doesn't, the girl wants it, but the guy doesn't.
And all that is fine if the guy doesn't want to do it and the girl doesn't want to do it.
In my case, that's.
But you're saying you have to try it once.
And that's, I don't think.
Because that's how my marriage works.
We give it a try things that maybe the other person doesn't like, or maybe I don't like it.
What about like cooking methamphetamine?
Well, my dad.
I guess we have to try it one time.
Talking about cooking methamphetamine.
Because none of us is a drug addict, actually.
It's a logical thing.
That's not a good concern.
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What's up with all the sexy?
How many people in the world do you think are having sex right this second?
It's got to be tons.
I know.
How many sandwiches are being made afterwards?
That's a great question.
Well, I know right now that Peyo, who we're actually about to pull up one other clip from him, that dude, he's got like actually, wait, I don't want to ruin his chances with any of the girls here.
I just know that he's having lots of sexual intercourse.
Wow, that came out really weird.
Okay, another thing.
What is his name?
Peyo?
I'm just ending the show right there.
Okay.
Peyo.
His name's Peyo.
His real name's Frederic Bartholomew.
Frederick Bartolome.
Estanza, the third.
Nick, can you pull up the clips one?
Ladies.
Okay, this is a clip.
This is his keyboard.
This is how dedicated he is.
Play it, Nick.
What is that?
This is how dedicated.
Lovely.
This is how dedicated he is to his gaming.
He doesn't even get up.
Look at that.
Oh, Mike.
That's kind of gross.
Is it rice?
Tony's looks like a piece of rice.
Bro, Peyo, you got to get.
Can I ship you?
I'll buy you one.
I'll buy you a new keyboard.
My God, bro.
That's the dedication.
I think it's a rice.
I'm not sure, man.
I don't want to touch it.
Look, he's got a great laugh.
Great laugh.
He's got a French-Canadian, French-Canadian accent.
Ladies.
Doesn't even want to touch his own keyboard that he touches.
He touches it.
Peyo, please let me send you a keyboard, bro.
I'll get whatever you want.
Are you.
Does that ladies?
Does the keyboard change anything?
Yes, no, thank you.
That keyboard looks like it's indicative of a larger issue.
What is going on in the rest of the apartment?
I don't know.
Yeah.
I will say that he's doing great on Season of Discovery.
He's still raiding Classic Era.
Okay.
He just raided Nax Ramis, okay?
You know, Cataclysm's coming out.
Who knows what this guy's going to be doing?
He's very focused on his gaming.
Change anything for anybody?
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All right.
So, with this logic, let's say your husband says he wants to have a threesome.
I mean, you have to try it once at least to make your partner happy.
Sometimes can always just be no.
If he wants to try it, I will try it.
That's why she's alive.
You'll try?
Yes.
All right.
I mean, she's considered a chance.
If my husband wants to try something, she's consistent.
I will try it.
I need to read two chats here.
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Michael Douglas got mouth/slash throat cancer from munching on his woman.
Unselfish served him well.
Scientists still don't know what's okay.
That's true, though.
I've read that somewhere.
It is true.
It is, yeah.
The guy lost his tongue because of that.
I just seen him.
Yeah.
That's why guys don't like doing that anymore.
Yeah, there's so many STDs going on.
There's STD.
That's disgusting.
Thank you, man.
Appreciate it.
Yeah, Michael Douglas, he got throat cancer, not trying to get that.
So I still kind of worry of like the three times I did it a long time ago.
Like, what if, who knows what the future has in store?
I'm scared.
COVID-19.
There you go.
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Okay.
Okay.
Shout out to all the kiddies and think I know what he's talking about.
Okay.
Appreciate it, man.
Guys, go to twitch.tv/slash whatever.
Pull that up really quick, Nick.
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Okay, where were we?
Like the video.
What's that?
Like the video.
Oh, like the video, guys.
Also, like the video on YouTube.
Okay, so, wow, we talked about a lot of stuff there.
Let's go back to your dating app profile.
That's where we left off.
Guys, we're reviewing two of the girls' dating app profiles.
So, Nick, if you can pull that back up.
I'll fall for you if you can make me ugly laugh.
Okay, not as...
Wait, Nick, just go back to the last one just so we can see where this all stemmed from.
This is where this convers stemmed from.
You're not a munch.
That's where it came from.
Okay?
You should not go out with her if you're not a munch.
Okay.
Next.
Yeah.
You can make me ugly laugh.
Okay, next.
Rolling up a fatty after cleaning my room.
I think you would like Peyho, to be honest.
He partakes in.
That's not like the only thing that would be.
Is there another one?
Like a clean keyboard.
Also, you need to pull up hers.
I don't know how I feel about that.
Yeah.
The funny one, that's an interesting one.
So is it a deal breaker if the guy's not funny?
No, I've dated.
Oh, sorry, sorry.
I've dated some unfunny people.
I feel like usually, you know, like, obviously, I don't think you guys are seeing this now on the stream, but like, I'm typically like the funnier one, which is a relationship.
Just like even when talking to people.
You're the funny one?
Yeah.
No, I'm just, I'm asking.
And that's really how bad it is.
Like, I don't know.
I just.
Can you want to tell us a joke?
I'm not a stand-up comedian.
I'm like funny in context.
You know what I mean?
Can you tell us a joke?
Drive with me in a car and like we'll be chopping it up and then like I'll make you laugh for real.
I think we're pass on your joke.
It's very simple.
You got to speak into the mic if you're going to.
What do you call a dog that is a magician a labricadabrador?
Oh.
That's good.
That's good.
Okay.
Cool, I guess.
Actually, really quick, just on the funny thing, going around the table, is it a high priority for you that the guy you're dating is funny, can make you laugh?
Or do you not care?
Maybe you don't care.
There's different ways of being funny, so yeah.
Okay.
Having the same sense of humor.
I think it depends because when someone's funny, like the same kind of sense of humor that you have, it normally goes in deeper where they're like, they actually have a personality and they know how to make jokes of certain things.
So I feel like, yeah, exactly.
What about you?
Yeah, same sense of humor.
Same sense of humor.
Same sense of humor.
Yes.
Same sense of humor.
Okay.
All right.
So guys, dating app review, do you, if you're able to pull up the chat, Nick, do you swipe yes on her or no?
I guess on Hinge, it's a like.
Do you send her a like or is it a pass?
Like or pass?
Like or pass?
Okay.
Sorry guys, we're slight delay here.
No, no, no.
Ooh, okay.
Rip.
I can't see that far even.
Oh, yeah.
I can barely wait to see.
There it is.
Lots of pass.
I see a lot of passes.
Pass.
Is there anybody, somebody, what Maximus likes you?
The loner coder likes you.
Topher likes you.
Okay, you're getting some likes.
There you go.
It only takes one.
Nick, the other one?
You've been working on it, right?
Yeah, yeah.
Okay.
All right, we have Sophia here.
I'm convinced that Sophia with an F is greater than Sophia with a PH.
Why is that?
Because that's my name.
With an F. You're convinced of it.
I'm convinced, yeah.
I don't really get it.
I just'm sorry.
I don't know what to tell you.
It's just I think Sophia with an F is better than with a TH.
That's it.
It's not that deep.
Is that actually how your name is spelled?
Yeah.
My mom's Spanish, so it's like spoken Spanish.
I'm Spanish too, so like your style, though.
A life goal of mine to find how many licks it takes to get to the center of the Tootsie pop.
Yeah, my prompts aren't very good.
This is rough.
Okay, next.
Damn.
Yeah, seriously.
I mean, I go crazy for 20.
That was me before a haircut.
Next.
Or is that it?
There's one more?
There should be like two more.
God, the bottom picture.
That's it.
That's a Halloween costume on the bottom.
I don't know if you guys know Frog and Toad.
Yeah.
Okay.
Well, the prompts are leaving something, a little something to be desired, but it's from what you previously told us, you pretty much just go on Hinge when you're bored with your girlfriends to what?
We just, it's kind of just like, I actually got Hinge this year with my roommates, and it just was never that serious.
My prompts aren't that good.
I don't really like expect anything from it.
It was just kind of fun.
We just go on, like, I don't know.
We shouldn't call it like, like, we'll be like, oh, do you want to play Hinge or do you want to play Tinder?
Like, it's like fully, like, it's a game.
Like, yeah.
So, wait, so when you say it's a game, like, you'll be, you guys are all, how many people do you live with?
There's four of us.
And so, if all four of you will get together, you'll each go on the apps and like show each other the message.
Or like airplay it onto our TV.
You'll put it on the bottom.
You'll blast it onto the TV.
I don't know.
So, when you guys are doing this, are you guys like picking who to swipe on?
Are you looking at messages?
All of the above?
Kind of all the above.
It depends.
Like, we kind of will just usually just be like on our phones and then just like, oh, like, I feel like you just have to see Hinge from a girl's perspective to really understand.
But just like some guys have really funny profiles and just like funny beards sometimes.
Sorry.
Yeah.
Can we like do that on the screen here?
No.
No.
Okay.
Well.
They have funny profiles.
They just have funny profiles.
And it's just usually it's kind of like weird or they like have like a like the voice memo or like voice notes or whatever it's called.
That is really funny to play out.
So it just kind of was like, oh, look at this.
And it's also like, if that sounds really mean, this is like, we don't know these people.
I've never seen any of these people in my life.
They have no clue we're doing this.
And it like they could be anyone like across the world.
For all we know, they're doing the same thing.
Well, you said you've been on, was it four dates off of Hinge?
No, it was one off of Hinge, and I actually had Tinder before.
And that was like freshman year.
Those are from Tinder.
Okay.
So you've only met up with one guy from Hinge.
And that was the thrifting one.
That was the what one?
The thrifting.
The thrifting one.
Okay.
And then, wait, so the guy that you met from Hinge, the one guy, was he part of the group?
No.
He wasn't part of the group.
No.
Would you guys take any objections if you knew guys were doing this?
Like they were all getting together and like collectively judging or laughing or whatever.
Female profiles?
Like your profile?
No objections whatsoever?
I feel like it's just like it's not something I'm like aware of.
I don't really care.
If I'm putting my profile out there for people to see, then yeah, I'm probably gonna, people are not gonna like it.
Like the last picture with my friend of us like in costume, yeah, I'm sure people are like, what is this?
Like why are you wearing like frog like, you know, costumes?
But you know, it's just like, it just is, I don't really care.
I mean, it does cross my mind, though, that there are people on the dating apps who are on there not for entertainment, who are on there, like in good faith, who are actually using it individualistically, who are looking to date somebody.
And like, if they were there, they might feel like a little like you're it's uh yeah, like are you saying because now that I'm telling people like there's an audience now that knows that I do that that people are feeling more scared to put their profiles out there?
No, that's not what I'm saying.
Just it's a little I mean that they will never know that you guys are doing this privately.
You're not like online.
I can understand what you're saying.
That like, for example, if a group of guys were like going on Hinge and looking at girls' bodies and judging them like that, then like I would probably, you know, like maybe I probably would be like, oh, that's that's mean.
Why?
Why would that be mean?
Because you're judging them off physically.
Something that you guys are asking.
No, no, no, no.
Wait, hold on, let me just hold on here.
One sec.
One sec.
Earlier in the conversation, you said that all the guys on Hinge are ugly.
No, they are.
But you're laughing at me.
But you guys don't.
So when you guys are doing your housemate assessment on Hinge, you're not making any comments about their physical appearance at all.
we also never said what we were doing wasn't mean like that's well yeah but no what i'm saying is like but she has an objection with men who would be like oh look at her She got small titties.
Oh, well, honestly.
Would you object to that?
I don't know if I really would.
I think, honestly, yeah, maybe I wouldn't.
I kind of just thought maybe I could hypothetically, but I don't know if I would.
I mean.
I'm just looking for consistency here.
Yeah, no, I get that.
I don't really object to men doing it.
Then I.
Yeah.
I think it would be like a problem if it was like they were doing that with women they knew and it was like women, you know, that I don't know.
I feel like it's just like you are just like a face.
I think also dating apps in a college town like Isla Vista is very different than dating apps at somewhere else.
That's true.
That's fair.
That's fair.
Okay, so where were we?
Well, we got through all those.
Wait, there was something about.
But a bunch of ugly guys on the apps.
That's good.
Yeah, maybe not everyone's ugly, but like, okay.
I think that the ones that I personally like, okay, I think this is actually how Hinge works.
So this might explain also my attitude: is that they lock up the people, your preferences behind roses.
So you have to give a rose to people that would be like probably more your type, and you have to pay for a rose.
And I just also think I wouldn't give a rose to someone.
It just comes across as a little weird.
But why is that?
Why does it come across as a little bit more?
I think because you know you have to pay for it.
It's kind of weird.
They give you some free references.
Oh, I see.
Yeah, they give you like one free.
Yeah, I think it's pay to pay for that, though.
Yeah, you know, I think that would be.
To pay would be a little weird.
Yeah, to pay for that, I think would be weird.
Hold on, so you have to give someone a rose to be able to see your preference.
Like, okay, so yeah, it's kind of hard because I can't just project it on the screen.
It's like, so, you know, when you're scrolling through any kind of dating app, there's like a super lake and stuff.
So you just have like the regular like matches, like you send a, you know, you're scrolling, you send like a heart.
And then there's like this other section that's like that you they're your most compatible matches and you can send them like a rose.
You get one free rose to send to one of those people.
But how do you know those are your most compatible matches?
Basically, whatever it is.
Yeah.
So it's always up to you there.
Dating app works specifically is you have your regular pool of people where it's kind of like they'll cater it towards your preferences.
Aristotle is detonated $100.
If someone is born with male chromosomes, Brian and a female reproductive system, are they a man or a woman?
If they can choose, why not everyone else?
Are you coming out of left field with this one?
For real.
If someone is born with female, wait, male chromosomes.
So wait, Brian and the female reproductive system.
Hold on, let me fucking parse this.
Okay.
You want that?
I understand what they're saying.
So like.
They have, like, yeah, they have male chromosomes, but they have a female reproductive system.
If they can choose their sex, why not everybody else?
Wait, is that an actual genetic accomplishment?
So it's like a one in like a sexuality.
So it's called intersex.
Also, there's more than one way to be intersex.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So it's hermaphroditic.
Hermaphroditic is specifically both reproductive organisms.
Yeah, yeah.
So it's both reproductive organs.
But sometimes it'll be like in varying degrees.
Like sometimes it's way more male reproductive organ than female.
So it's like there's a spectrum in that in the intersex category.
So it's like an extremely rare condition.
So then they're just intersex.
Yeah, so they're just intersex.
They're neither male or female.
That's an extreme case-by-case scenario.
Like, sometimes it's medically necessary to like choose.
They're taking like a microcosm of, like it's a small, small percentage of people and trying to draw a conclusive, I guess, line of thinking to everybody else and it it just doesn't really work that way.
All right, we have.
Uh Cara, this makes me want to delete dating apps entirely.
They have ruined our dating culture and has become a beauty contest, always wiping, swiping to see who is better out there.
Okay, where were we before?
You were making a point?
Uh, before that TTS came in?
Oh yeah um, oh yeah.
So I was explaining how the dating app works.
So you have your regular pool of people that are kind of catered towards your preferences, and then there's, like the there's like a special section with, like the quote-unquote hot people and it's the people who have like the most well.
So if you get in that section, it's because you, your profile has a lot of interactions, like a lot of people are like stopping and like will sit on the profile, or a lot of people will like it or whatever.
If you're, if you're a hot profile, then they'll put you in this special section where, like you can receive roses and then people will send those got it.
So okay, I understand that.
Wait actually, it's kind of an interesting thought.
You said that most of the men that you'll see on the dating apps you don't find them like super physically attractive.
Yeah, but I would.
Yeah okay, I will say that.
But there are like guys I feel like have cool style or like other attributes that i'm like still interested in sure.
So, going around the panel on this um, maybe some of you have been on dating apps, maybe not.
You can apply this to in person.
What percent of men would you say you find attractive, starting with you?
Honestly none wait, None.
I don't find people like physically attractive too often.
It's very, very, very rare.
What typically gets me is I'll like the person and then they look attractive.
But I mean, you've never seen, I'm sure you've seen like a physically attractive guy.
Maybe like one in a million.
I don't know.
One in a million.
That's cap.
I really don't see people and think that's an attractive person.
I mean, it's different for girls.
You see girls and like, that's a very pretty girl.
Wait, are you?
Wait, actually, going around the table first.
Is anybody here by?
Show of hand.
Just show of hands.
I wasn't raising my hand.
Oh, you weren't raising your hand.
Yeah, I know people think that shit fuck.
Exposed.
Anybody by?
I mean, there's more than just by.
Oh, well.
Just to keep things simple, I guess, you know?
Into the mic if you can.
Thank you.
Sure.
Are you talking like Pan?
Are you Pan?
Yeah.
Pansexual.
Attracted to God.
Aristotle has donated $100.
Androgyn insensitivity is the term you're looking for, and my point has not been addressed.
They are born with exclusively female reproductive organs, not intersex.
Do they look like a dude or like a woman?
I don't know if this is actually.
The answer to this is whoever the individual is, how they feel about themselves.
Oh, that's what they're saying.
If they feel like they feel they are a man, they're a man.
If they feel they are a girl, I'm still not a bunch.
If they feel not a man, they're not binary, they're not a man.
I'm sorry, Aristotle.
I'm still on the munch.
Wait, what were you saying?
I believe, and it's not just for people who are intersex or have a certain condition.
It goes for everyone.
However you feel you are, that's what you are.
So if I feel like I'm a millionaire, I'm a millionaire.
That's not exactly delusional.
No, but that's not what I mean.
I mean, it's up to each and every individual person to define who they are.
I mean, you cannot be that way, but even if you're suits, they will still be who they are.
What's going on here is not the same what's going on here.
Yeah, that's what we're trying to say.
So what happens is when there is some sort of like disruption between your mind and your body, then that's when you get confused.
I think that you are born how you're born, and you can't change that.
So we can agree to disagree because I'm not going to change your minds.
And you guys aren't going to change my mind.
No, I'm not trying to.
I'm not trying to change your mind.
I'm giving you facts.
That's not my opinion.
But those aren't necessarily facts.
There are.
You could Google it.
It's on.
There's research.
You got buried treasures and you say you're a girl, you're not a girl.
You have to literally, you can get rid of it and still be trans and all that.
I respect the trans and all that, but that's delusional.
If I say I'm a millionaire right now and you look at my binge, am I a millionaire?
No, I'm not.
So that's a lie.
You're delusional.
You're feeding that delusion that doesn't make any sense.
So you can believe whatever you want, but the facts are there, baby.
I mean, it's like I'm coming here.
I'm saying I'm a dog.
I'm a mastiff.
I'm a furry.
I'm not a dog.
I'm just not.
It's delusion.
I think whenever I get into this conversation, like I have to realize that I disagree with your position.
I don't think what you feel like is who you are, a male, woman, whatever you identify as.
I think that's extremely destructive for society.
But when I say that, I see, like, I come at it as like, I understand this person is a person.
I'm not looking at them like a piece of meat or an object or like as someone I'm fighting against.
Like, I don't care about you.
I'm dehumanizing you.
I don't come at it like that.
Like, I see it is a mental condition.
Like it is, it's how you think you see yourself.
It's how you feel about yourself.
By definition, it's in your head.
So it's the same thing as people who are psychopaths, or maybe they have other psychological illnesses.
It's in that same category, and it had been defined that way all the way up until a specific movement.
So you have to treat the other person like a human, but you also have to realize, like, it is, by all definitions, a mental illness.
Because, I mean, there's a lot of negative repercussions when you buy into their delusion or their mental state.
It's not healthy for the person individually.
It's also not healthy for society as a whole.
And I agree with him.
I think that we all need to respect each other as humans because at the end of the day, we're all humans.
It doesn't matter we're the same race, we're humans.
But at the same time, I will respect your choices.
You can make whatever choice in your life that you want to make.
It has nothing to do with me, but you have to respect that I'm not going to buy into that delusion.
Your response.
Well, I don't know how to respond to this considering there is plenty of research, even within what's currently being done, as well as the past, that that's not, it's not a medical disorder.
It's not a delusion.
But I don't exactly have the resources right now to pull that up and show you guys that.
So I'm not going to try to change your guys' minds.
It's just kind of disrespectful to say it's.
Aristotle is donated $100.
What facts determine your gender?
Chromosomes?
Genetics?
These don't always agree.
If neither, then why pretend that either is necessary?
Gender itself is a construct.
I mean, sex is different than gender.
So technically, none of it's real, if you want to look at it that way.
It is very real when I have my peer every now.
It's real when you have TCO.
I have a chat that's going to come in here.
We have Donald Trump's brown eye, okay?
With the 50.
There are two genders, men and woman, Vajine and Peen.
Not my words.
Everything else is a mental illness.
Also, everyone has a brown eye.
Thank you for that, Donald Trump.
I have a question for you.
So what if someone says that?
Or what if someone is diagnosed schizophrenic and they say their entire life they've been male and all of a sudden they say I'm a female, but they've been diagnosed with schizophrenia at a young age what?
What would you say?
That is an interesting scenario, because that's not exactly how schizophrenia works.
Schizophrenia, there's specific types.
There's paranoid type, as one example, but it goes to specific, like auditory hallucinations, visual hallucinations.
It's not like a view of the self all the time.
Like that can be though, but it's not.
That's really not how, and a lot of people who identify as trans woman man, they also have mental illness, like they have depression and anxiety, but it's not from people not accepting them.
In fact, in this day and age, they're more accepted here than in any other country, especially you go to a place like my country, exactly.
Yeah Well, and that's why this issue is important to me, because I care about their mental well-being.
There are extreme side effects that come along with the disorder of thinking that you are something that you're not.
Like, there are higher rates of higher rates of that.
There are also extremely high rates of mental illness outside of gender dysphoria.
So, like, we can't have this conversation genuinely and just ignore all of that and say that this isn't a confounding factor to all of those other mental illnesses that are plaguing them.
I agree.
I think we all need to be respected because we're all humans.
I'm going to say that again.
at the same time has greatly destroyed our society what's happening right now and i think that you wanted to respond Go ahead.
I think I forgot what you had just said that I was going to respond to.
That transgender people deserve mental health treatment.
The point I'm trying to make is I want them to get better.
I think that adding into their mental illness or trying to, I guess, what's the word I'm looking for, affirm their mental illness is going to do more harm in the long run than it does good.
But forcing people who identify as trans to not present themselves as the gender they are can also cause plenty and plenty of severe negative mental effects.
It can worsen disorder, like mental disorders, mental illnesses.
It can cause suicides as well.
I feel like it is a complex issue in both, but Truth Bomb donated $100.
Gender is not a construct.
Sex slash gender are the same thing.
If you think otherwise, why can't a white man identify as a black man or a black woman?
You can't change these things.
Trans women are men.
Well, a couple clarifying questions on this topic.
So can you change your sex?
I don't think I have enough research on that specifically to say with the definitions if that's what's being done, if technically you are changing the sex.
But you can have affirming surgery and have all the parts of what you identify as.
They've actually made advancements in the surgery to the point where it'll be possible for people to have functioning uteruses in the future and actually care about it.
That's a lie.
That's a lie.
That's not a problem.
The male body doesn't have the calorie to hold a uterus and be able to make it work physically.
It might not work.
Because even trans women don't write forward.
I'll give you that.
Well, okay, so I'll give you that.
Say they figure out a way to where a man can get a uterus and can give birth to a child.
So say they figure that out.
I'm just going to give you.
Aristotle is donated $100.
Brian, I expect an answer from you at this point, and I still haven't gotten it.
Also, trans people live happier lives after transitioning, and conversion therapy doesn't work.
That's actually false.
That's against most evidence.
Yeah, I would like a source for that.
So he's expecting an answer from me specifically.
Your original question was, if someone is born with male chromosomes and a female reproductive system, are they a man or a woman?
I don't know.
That's my answer.
I don't know.
There's so much of a reason.
I think they're intersex.
I think that's the answer.
I think they're intersex.
I think that's the answer.
You know, seeing like those videos, like those YouTube videos of people, of like people who literally look like men, they have the facial and everything, but they have vaginas.
So it's like, I don't know what I can call you other than that.
I think there is an extremely rarely rare scenario.
And there's probably the majority of people who are trans are not intersex.
Yeah.
So it ignores.
So say I give you that small population.
Say I give you the intersex population.
The other 99.99% of people, like, what about them?
They're not intersex.
So essentially the intersex argument, you can push that off the table.
Say I give that to you.
It's not the same thing.
Like, we need to have a genuine conversation.
And like to do that, we have to talk about what if it's just somebody who's normal man, woman, biologically, we need to have that conversation.
Because the intersex thing, yeah, you can make a medical argument for that.
I can give you that.
But going back to how I was going to clarify with man giving birth to baby, say that happens at some point.
The reproductive system is not the only thing that makes a man a man.
They are different in their brain, like their brain chemistry, the hormones that are being produced.
Like there is bone density, muscle mass, the amount of fat that men carry.
And usually the amount of fat that women carry is, well, it's more than men, but it's also more than men so that they can nurture their baby as they're being, yeah, as they're growing inside of you.
So I would argue that there are so many more determining factors that make a man a man and a woman a woman, other than, hey, I have a uterus or hey, I have a penis.
Yes.
Agreed.
I agree.
But yeah, yeah, so there are other factors other than that, that I would say.
I would also agree that there are other factors that Christ is Lord donated $100.
Listen, for all of human history, for thousands of years, there has been question as to understanding what men and women are until 20 years ago.
Is our society becoming enlightened or is it unraveling or not?
We're evolving.
I mean, actually, this is not a new topic.
Yeah, people have been trying to unravel the creation order for all of history.
God had set man to be man and woman to be woman, made them for each other.
And humanity, fallen humanity, hates that.
And they push away from that day after day.
So it's not new.
We have seen this pendulum swing in that direction over the last 20 years, and I pray it swings back because this is historically the downfall of society.
It's one of the major pillars for that.
Couple questions here.
So I was asking if you can change your sex, because I think we maybe agree here at the table.
Sex is different from gender.
Aristotle is dead, donated $100.
I don't know how I have to keep saying this, but androgynous insensitivity equals slash equals intersection.
If there are other factors that determine one's gender, why not self-determination?
Oh, like you pick yourself.
You pick your own gender.
Yeah.
But he said the sex, the chromosomal sex was male, but had.
Hold on, let me see if I.
No, female reproductive system, male chromosomes.
So you're saying that's not intersex.
Okay.
So is that a thing?
No.
I don't know.
It's not intersex.
So, what is the is that even a thing?
Maybe if this is just a thought experiment, it could be a thought experiment or is this something that actually happens?
In any case, it's not clear to me if that would be the case for all people who consider themselves trans.
I don't know.
What is the actual medical?
Is there a medical term or scientific term for what you're describing here?
If it's not intersex, is it there's other, I don't know, I don't know these offhand, but yeah.
Didn't he say it was the androgen insensitivity thing?
That's the term that they said.
But either way, I need more descriptive, like, does it look so looks entirely like a woman but has male chromosomes?
I would again just ask, is that actually a thing?
I mean, I can Google it really quick.
Androg, androgynous insensitivity and drugs.
Androgen hormone?
Sensitivity.
Do you have like an idea?
AIS is when the person who is genetically male is resistant to hormones that produce a male appearance called androgens.
As a result, the person has some of the physical traits of a female, but the genetic makeup of a male.
I'm curious, can that person are they capable of getting pregnant?
Because I know like some people are intersex.
I know that's not what you're talking about.
Like they sometimes they can't get pregnant.
I don't know.
I don't know about that.
There are so many other medical questions that would have to be asked to clarify this one very, very specific case.
I'm not a medical doctor.
I'm not a medical doctor that specializes in genetics.
I think the argument he's trying to make is like, let's use this extreme example to make the argument for the whole.
Yeah.
Well, yeah, so like, like I said earlier, what if I just give you that?
What if I say, okay, sure, we'll let those people decide.
And they, like, okay, I will let these intersex people decide.
Like, they have male and female characteristics.
Like, sure, I can give you that small percentage, but that still leaves the vast majority of people that we need to have this actual talk about.
Like, we need to debate that issue.
Is his argument also that all trans people have androgen insensitivity syndrome?
Is that the position here?
I don't know.
Well, a couple questions on this really quick.
I'll try to relate it to dating.
Maybe we'll wait until she's back from the bathroom.
So actually, let me read this chat.
I'll wait until she's back from the bathroom.
Daniel Martin, ladies, what if a man replied to your?
We'll come back to this conversation, but ladies, what if a man replied to your dating profile and appeared to have everything you wanted in a partner, your perfect match, except he was confined to a wheelchair?
Would you give him a chance or pass and take you freaking rock as always?
Thank you, Daniel.
I agree with him.
So going around the table, dating profile appears to have everything you want in the partner, perfect match, except confined to a wheelchair.
Would you give him a chance or no-go?
Give him a chance.
I don't see why not.
I would say.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I would.
No.
Yes.
It's a perfect match.
All right.
Yeah.
I'll wheel you everywhere.
Dazzle your wheelchair.
There you go.
Dazzle.
I got you.
The dazzled.
That's wrong, though, but I got you.
Not yet.
Just one question for you, but you said that you find this sort of stemmed from our conversation about you said that you rarely see men who are physically attractive.
Is that correct?
Yeah.
Like none.
Yeah, not really.
But you'll look at a woman and be like, she's beautiful.
Yeah.
How free?
That's much more frequent for you?
Isn't that sexist, though?
I don't know.
Maybe you like girls then, and you just like girls.
Or maybe you're just a little bit resistant to, you know, like men.
Like, maybe you just don't want to think about them like that.
Maybe it makes you uncomfortable.
It could be that one, maybe.
I mean, I don't know why I feel that way.
It's just kind of how it is.
I mean, if I feel comfortable with someone and they make me feel really happy to be around them, they'll start to be much more attractive.
Is there a like a male celebrity you can think of that you think like he's?
There's not one person you can, because I don't know any of them, there's not like one guy.
You can just name who you're like.
Yeah, he's hot attractive, just like physically.
You see him on a street, physically attractive Superman I didn't get crushed.
Superman okay Batman, anybody well, actually kind of related to her thing too.
So we have two girls here who seem or I was going around on this.
We didn't go, we didn't fully go around.
We'll come back to the topic at hand.
Oh, you're waiting for the other.
Oh, you're getting up.
I'll be quick, i'm sorry.
Okay, all right.
Um, I gotta wait, guys.
I gotta wait until she's back.
She could have waited.
But um uh nick, pull up twitch guys, go to twitch.tv, slash whatever.
Drop us a follow in the prime sub.
If you have one, I think you have to click on new activity.
Aristotle is debt donated 100 duh, of course i'm not saying all trans people have androgen insensitivity, not the same as interest.
What I am saying is that gender is a form of self-expression.
No, no.
But are you saying that androgen insensitivity is a form of self-expression, or it would occur to me that these people have a genuine uh like, a medical like.
There's a difference, and so i'm not really sure what you're saying.
Aristotle um, so okay um oh, here we have a message here from flat earth denier.
He denies the flat earth.
Canadian 50.
If genitals don't determine your gender, why would chopping them off affirm it?
Do you care to respond to that?
I cannot speak for every single trans person, but from what I do know, not every single trans person do does want to have gender confirming surgery.
Some people are perfectly content with their physical body.
They just express themselves as the gender they say they are.
It doesn't require you to change your genitals.
You don't have to.
Some people do, some people really feel that's what they need to do so that they can feel at home in their body.
Some people already feel at home in their body.
They just I don't even really know how to exactly.
I feel like it's would be.
It would be fruitful to go around the table and ask everybody's pronouns what i'm gonna deny this question, what that's good faith.
I say.
What i'm gonna say?
I'm just gonna get attacked.
That's good faith.
Wait no, but i'm not gonna attack.
I'm not gonna attack.
I'm not gonna attack.
We're not.
Yeah, we're supposed to reshape each other like he won't attack.
We're just having a taxation.
I'm gonna be called delusional.
Well, i've already been called delusional.
I'm saying what you're saying is delusional.
I'm not saying you're delusional.
You can think however you want, but it's facts.
If you're going and making stuff up and you can go online and google it, that is delusional.
If I told you right now i'm an orange man, that's delusional.
Because you're looking at me right now why i'm a black woman.
So i'm not saying you're delusional.
I'm just saying let's leave the orange people out of this.
I'm just trying to be respectful.
I'm not calling, leave the orange people out of this.
Leave our probably future president out of this.
Leave Trump out of this conversation.
Uh, Do you want to respond?
I use any and all pronouns.
I have no preference.
You don't have a preference?
Because I was going around, figured, hey, let's get pronouns from everybody.
So, wait, you use any and all pronouns?
Like, does it, but does it change?
Like, is it fluid?
Yeah, I guess.
I mean, whatever anyone says at any moment, if they're referring to me, I don't know.
Wait, they get to pick what your pronouns are?
I mean, they don't get to necessarily pick.
They all work.
They can just.
So I could call you he.
Yeah.
You'd be fine.
I'm talking about that on accident.
I see what she's saying.
Wait, you'd be fine if I called you he.
Yeah.
Or if I called you she.
Yeah.
They?
Yeah.
It?
Sure.
You're fine with it.
Yeah.
Your majesty.
You fine with that?
Can we ask why?
Your majesty.
Because I personally feel no strong connection to any gender.
I feel like I just am what I am.
I feel like, isn't it almost more offensive to be like, I take them all.
I am all genders.
Fuck you.
Pokemon.
I don't see how that would be offended for gender.
I could see somebody getting offended over that.
I mean, if they do, then they do.
I acclaim them all.
I am everything.
I'm omnipotent.
But I'm not taking it away from anybody else.
Is that the all-powerful?
No, yeah, omnipotent is all-powerful.
Your gender is omni?
Sure.
I'd be sick.
They slash omni.
What about you?
Your pronouns?
She, her.
Aristotle has donated $100.
If gender-affirming care gives someone a better quality of life, look at the studies.
It is a good thing.
Prove me wrong, Brian.
Why are you coming at me?
I feel like I haven't even really given his point of view.
You got money.
I don't really have.
If gender-affirming care, I think that was you who was saying something about it.
Gender-affirming care gives someone a better quality of life.
Look at the studies.
It is a good thing.
Well, I mean, what about people, like, I've heard like D-transitioners, and then there's somebody who's been blowing up on Twitter, like, for, so to make the neo-penis is what it's called, or whatever, they have to, like, remove the skin from your arm.
They just, like, peel the skin from your arm here, I guess.
For what?
To make a to give a woman who's transitioning into a man a peen.
And, like, it gets infections or something.
Look, I don't know.
Is it?
I actually.
Wait, hold on.
Now I have to wait till she's back to ask these questions.
Okay, can I say something about that real quick, though?
Nobody leave once she gets back, please, so I can go around asking the question.
What's your thing?
I feel like, as you know, Daniel.
The whole gender-affirming care, I think we should also, you know, give a lot of effort to find out why they feel the way that they feel.
Because especially right now, this whole, you know, debate on gender and stuff, this is like a new thing.
Okay, I did not grow up with this, and I'm just literally 21.
So this, you know, we should also figure out why this is a thing because I don't think that people are really dealing with, I don't know what gender I am.
I don't know.
It seems like a deeper something.
Yeah, it's definitely something else.
Yeah.
I think a part of that is your family structure, how you are growing up, the father picture, you know?
I think a lot of people who grow up with their father and mother or the father was around whatever has a better coming life than an absent father.
I think you're hitting on something really important right here.
Like, I think the lack of male figures in our culture, the lack of strong male leadership, is, I think, what breeds all of this nonsense.
Like, if you don't have men who are willing to stand up and say, this is what is right, this is what is wrong.
The leaders, yes.
If you don't have men showing you what a man is, then I can see how all of these things can be questioned.
If you have men walking around being able to pushed over like their children and they have no stances on anything, and nothing is important to them, and they'll just say whatever they can say to get laid, like, obviously people are going to have a difficult time understanding the difference between a man and a woman.
But when you have a society that has a strong emphasis on what a man is, what he's supposed to do, what his duty is to protect, to provide, to lead, when you don't have that, I can see how all this stuff comes out.
Everything crumbles, yeah.
Yeah.
Like, if you grow up in a household with no father figure, what does it mean to be a man?
Because as a girl growing up, it wasn't so important to know that my dad was protecting me and he was there for me.
So imagine growing up and don't have that male figure as a father that you know will protect you.
I'm not saying your mother won't.
Absolutely.
There's moms like my mom that will protect me with her life.
Mothers are extremely important.
Extremely important.
But the father has that job of protecting you and making sure you're safe, you know, and guiding you and being the leader.
Another interesting statistic that has borne out is that families, I don't want to butcher this.
I might mess up when I say it, but families that have a two-parent household, their children, their statistical likelihood of going to prison, graduating high school, all of like a bunch of these negative, not graduating high school, having children out of wedlock, those negative predictors, they have the same statistical likelihood of avoiding those if they have a single father household.
And it doesn't hold the same for a single mother household.
It shows, I'm not bashing single mothers.
I think women who are raising children by themselves, that is an extremely hard place to be in.
And I empathize with your position.
I think it's a crime against you because, I mean, we've had a society that has promoted that for a very long time, especially in minority neighborhoods, minority communities.
But yeah, it shows the importance of fatherhood.
And I think fathers are extremely important.
Extremely important.
Extremely.
Couple questions here, and then we'll get back to the what percentage of men you find attractive question.
So, okay, we were talking about the gender stuff.
So I think one good clarifying question we should ask the whole panel, the whole table here, is, and I'll actually relate it back to dating here in a bit.
What is a woman?
A woman is whoever defines themselves as a woman.
An adult human female.
A person who has female genitals and chromosomes.
Yeah, I'd probably say someone who identifies as a woman.
Someone who has female genitals and chromosomes.
Same.
You're only a woman if you can have your period and have kids.
There's plenty of biological women who can't do either of that either.
Do you mean like the essence?
Yes, thank you.
Okay.
Because I know there's some woman who cannot bear a child, so I'm not talking about those type of women, but you know what I mean.
Wait, so just for you two, since I think you guys said that a woman is somebody who identifies as a woman, is that I don't want to misstate your positions.
Is that correct?
So can you, perhaps you can provide a more precise definition.
Can you define what a woman is without using the word woman?
Someone who defines themselves as such?
As well, you haven't really improved a whole lot on the requested definition.
Killer cereal donated $100.
So long as the message isn't pushing kids to mutilate themselves by preying on their uncertainties.
Adults who want to be delusional live in the country to do so, and they can.
Must protect the kids.
Agreed.
Very much agreed.
I think if you're an adult and you want to do whatever you want to, that's fine.
But with kids, like when I was five years old, I used to say, I want to be an astronaut, I want to be a vet.
It's the same thing.
If you let a kid make that decision at such a young age, and as an adult, do whatever you want, but let's protect the kids until they can come to an age they can make their own decisions.
Do you have any thoughts on that when it comes to children?
Because I think it sounded like you were in favor of gender-affirming care.
What any thoughts on, you know, someone who's 11, 12, 13?
Or do you think?
I feel like they should still be able to express themselves how they choose.
That doesn't necessarily mean surgery.
Of course, children should not be going under severe serious surgeries necessarily.
I mean, there's plenty of checks that are done, though, to keep people from doing this.
And it prevents tons of trans people who are trans from even getting this care because they're not deemed as qualified for the surgeries.
But what about like the hormone medicine?
What's that called?
Hormone blockers?
Puberty blockers.
Thank you.
Yeah, puberty.
Puberty blockers, you can take them as a kid, and then when you go off them, from what I know, because I don't know a lot about puberty and hormone blockers, it doesn't keep you from developing those traits later in life if you decide to go off them.
So you're saying, for example, let's say someone from the age, when does puberty typically start?
10, 11, 12, around there?
Let's just say they started, I don't know, let's say the age is 12.
From 12 to 20, they use these puberty blockers.
I don't know if that's a typical age.
They continue using it until.
I'm not fully familiar with hormone blockers either, so I'm going to concretely say...
Christ his Lord donated $100.
The reason we are dealing with gender confusion is moral decay without God.
Romans 1 says, just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a depraved mind.
Yep, true, true.
Christ is Lord.
Okay, thank you for the TTS.
Appreciate it.
Wait, so okay.
So you don't object to the use of puberty blockers in children, is that?
No, I don't object.
I feel like there's a lot of checks and balances in place that even prevent people who really want to go on them from even being able to go on them.
Are there?
I don't know.
It's not a foolproof system, but it's really, really hard for someone to just willy-nilly go on something like that.
Is it?
Yeah.
I don't know.
Your thoughts on that?
like cool for the kids to go on puberty blockers um i don't know about other people's kids but for my own kids i think you just would i honestly don't really know I'm not anywhere close to that.
Also, I think my view of gender is kind of like I know what I am and other people, you know, the way I said that women means that like how people identify themselves is that I think that that is true because if someone thinks that they are a woman and maybe biologically they weren't born a woman, I won't interfere with that.
And I think it's a lot to say that is a mental disorder because sexuality was also considered a mental disorder for a very long time.
And sometimes it's still considered a mental disorder.
Well, what do you mean?
Sexuality is a mental disorder.
Sexuality, like being gay.
Yeah.
So let's stick though to the conversation and answer.
So strictly when it comes to the puberty blockers thing, when it comes to kids taking them in favor or against?
I think I might be more against it for kids.
I know that I'm kind of like, I don't really know because I don't know if it's like if you wait too long, if you can't take them then.
And if, you know, like, I'm not really sure how it works exactly.
And I think it would just really depend on the case.
I don't really know.
One thing I do know about puberty blockers is they don't work if you take them later.
They only work if you take them early enough to prevent the hormones from making the permanent changes.
So you can always go off of them and then get those changes, but you can't undo them necessarily.
Well, I have seen some research and I don't think it's true.
I don't think it's true that like you've say you were born a male, but you want to Aristotle has donated $100.
Let boys choose whether their penises get sliced and diced.
Until you oppose MGM, I can't take your transphobic arguments seriously.
Choose whether transphobic.
Yeah, it's not male.
Wait, until you oppose male genitalism.
Male genomes.
It's interesting.
It's actually interesting you raise that because I actually do object to circumcision.
So I don't know.
I do oppose circumcision.
What's been transphobic about any of this conversation, though?
You can't have an opinion anymore without everything being said.
It's a phobic ism.
Nobody hates nobody.
Wait, so.
Wait, okay, we were on the puberty.
Oh, so I do think it's the case.
Like, you can't, once you've made the change with the puberty blockers or whatever, there's no reversal.
Like, you've hit 20, you were on that for five, six, seven, eight years, however long.
You're not just going to switch back.
There might be a pause button.
You could also take hormones later in life.
But do you think it would be this?
It's going to end up being the same as if you just proceeded through puberty as normal?
I'm sure it wouldn't be the same.
Well, what are your thoughts on the people who detransition?
People are allowed to detransition.
It doesn't take away from people who are trans.
Okay.
People can change their identity.
But it sounded like you're fine with the puberty blockers, if I have that.
Is that correct?
For children?
I would believe so, but I don't have that much knowledge on specifically puberty blockers.
Sure.
Question for the panel on this.
So let's say you have kids in the future.
I know you don't want to have kids, but let's just, for the sake of this conversation, hypothetical here, say you have an 11-year-old daughter or son, doesn't really matter.
They come to you at 11 and they want to get a tattoo.
Would you allow them to get a tattoo?
How old are they again, bro?
11.
Oh, no.
I wouldn't let them get a tattoo.
But the same thing with gender or going on to a type of medication or surgery.
If it's the one and first time they brought it up, I probably wouldn't let them just go on something like that either.
It's got to be something they've felt and wanted for a really, really long time.
And it's really serious and taken through the checks and balances to make sure it is what they feel and what they really want.
And they understand the long-term consequences and effects to the best of their knowledge.
And after a couple of years.
Okay.
We'll go around the table on this.
Absolutely not.
No.
I don't know.
I think.
Not yeah.
I don't really care.
No.
Yeah, definitely not.
Okay.
Last, I don't want to linger on this for too long because we've been here for a while.
Two things.
Okay.
Here, let me bring it to dating.
So.
Because this has not been about relationships in a while.
I know.
Well, hey, this guy's, it wasn't me who brought this up.
This other guy is really, he's hijacking.
He's hijacking.
Okay.
So, would it, in terms of date, okay, in terms of dating, would you object to a man not wanting to date a trans woman?
I feel like there's a lot to that.
I feel like for the safety of the trans person, then probably, because if someone was with that trans person and they were together and they found that they were trans and they're like, I don't like this, and then they take the violence out on that person.
I feel like in that case, it's probably good for the person to, ahead of time, not interact, like, you know, for that to not become a situation to begin with.
So if the person is like violent towards trans people.
Let's say they're not.
They're not.
They just don't want to date somebody who's trans.
I feel like people have their preferences.
I feel like that says something about that person, but they're still allowed to have a person.
What does it say, Nick?
Keep it on start.
I mean, it kind of says that they probably don't view that person as an actual woman if they're not willing to date them and their preference is women.
Okay.
So then, well, actually, let me get everybody's answer on this.
So you would object to a man not wanting to date a trans woman?
Well, I not necessarily object.
I'm just saying that if that's the view they have, then it probably says they don't see that person as a woman.
Which means what?
That that's just how they feel to be a person?
Uh, bro, what?
Question for the table, is it okay to cut up a baby pro for religious reasons?
If so, is it also okay to cut up a pro?
You asked in some goofy questions, bro.
Spending a lot of money on these guys.
Even for, look, even for religious reasons, I'm against circumcision.
Because I believe in advocating for men and boys before any of that.
So, yes, I'm against it.
We're not going to linger too long on that, though.
So, wait, so okay.
It says what about the person?
I've already said what it says.
Sorry, it interrupted you.
I just wanted you to just be able to restate your position.
Well, it says that that person does not see that other person as a woman.
Which means what about them?
It says exactly that.
Do you object to that?
I say that it's probably not the greatest thing that they don't see that person as a woman, but what if they don't see them as a female?
Do you object to that?
Well, females technically...
They're sex.
Yeah.
Yeah, so no, I don't object to that.
Okay.
So you were also saying how if somebody was dating somebody and then they found out like down the road that they were trans.
So in the scenario that you provided, this is somebody who I assume is very much passing as a trans woman.
Do you think this is sort of a different topic?
Do you think that there is a duty for trans people to disclose to romantic partners that they're trans?
I don't think there's necessarily a duty because for that to be a responsibility of them can put them in danger.
I mean, they can choose to disclose that if they feel they are safe.
Well, let's talk about the safety thing.
Wouldn't it put them in more danger to omit and not disclose their sexual status with a partner who might object to being in some way misled?
I feel like I cannot speak for trans people.
I'm not trans.
I don't experience their experiences.
So I'm not sure if you're a person who's a person.
I'm not sure if I can do it.
Good for you, Brian.
But it was a question for the table.
um bro you're you're derailing the conversation a little bit but so So if you wait, Aristotle, I'll ask you to the table, but I'm going to get through a couple things here.
So you're going to have to wait a sec.
Go ahead.
I think I finished my answer.
I have a question.
Wait, wait, hold on.
Before you come in, let me just get around the table on this.
So, okay.
When it comes to the safety thing, you don't object, or you do object.
Oh, no, no, sorry.
You do, you, oh my God, sorry, guys, I'm tongue twisted here.
You don't object to a trans person not disclosing their trans status to potential romantic partners for safety reasons.
Yeah, they don't have to.
A lot of the times they do you think people should disclose their STD status to a partner?
Yeah.
Okay.
That is something that can be transferred to the other person.
You can't transfer anything from being trans to the other person.
Right, that's but that's okay.
Hold on.
Be good faith, though.
That's not what I'm arguing.
But you would agree that there are certain things that you ought to disclose to a romantic partner.
Yes.
For example, do you think you should disclose if you're in another relationship with somebody?
Well, that's not something you can transmit to somebody, but that is something that they're talking about their lives, like their tangible lives.
Well, let's say, for example, you're dating with the intention of marriage and having children, and this person is male, they cannot have children.
They can disclose they can't have children.
They can do that at some point along the relationship.
People who are infertile don't always disclose from the beginning of a date that they are infertile.
Sometimes they may, sometimes they may not.
Let's say I'm on a first date with somebody and I make it pretty clear to them that, you know, I'm looking for something long-term.
I'm looking for something serious.
I'm looking for marriage and I'm looking for kids down the road.
And if the other person doesn't want kids or can't have kids, then it's just a relationship that wouldn't work.
They don't have to necessarily let you know they're trans, but they can let you know they don't want and don't want to have kids.
Okay, fair enough.
So, but you seem to, I mean, to me, it seems pretty questionable to not disclose your Gender sex status or whatever up front.
Maybe it is, maybe it isn't.
I personally am not the one to answer these questions.
I am not trans.
I don't have that experience.
I can't speak for their community.
Okay.
But you can give your own opinion.
In my opinion, I still don't think they have to disclose that they're trans.
You don't have to give the caveat that you're not a part of their community.
Like, I'm not going to ask everyone to give a caveat for the reason they're saying what they're saying.
Like, I'm allowing you to have an opinion, and I don't need you to, like, give your credentials for why you have this opinion.
Like, I want to listen to you because you're you.
Like, I want, I listen to you because you're a human being.
You don't have to give your credentials every time you say something.
Here, we're going to move on.
We're going to go around the table.
Do you object?
Would you object to a man not wanting to date a trans woman?
And this could, you could flip the genders here.
A woman not wanting to date a trans man.
Yeah, I'd want to know if they were trans.
Okay.
I wouldn't object.
I would not object.
I'm sorry, what was the question again?
Would you object to a man or a woman not wanting to date somebody who's trans?
Trans man, trans woman?
No.
It's their preference.
Let them do what they want.
Yeah, I wouldn't object.
Okay.
It sounded like you objected a little bit to that one.
I feel like it's a complex situation.
It's not really.
It's just about preference.
Okay.
And that needs to be responsible.
Well, do you think men ought to be obliged to date somebody who's trans?
Well, if you don't like the person, you shouldn't have to date them.
Let's say you do like the person.
Well, if you do like the person.
Killer of Cereal donated $100.
What if you're a trans Ted Bundy?
He will disclose his transition, but not the fact that he wants you next.
What does that Bible have to say?
Wait, what does the Bible have to say?
About trans Ted Bundy?
That is a good question.
Avoid Ted Bundy at all in any scenario.
Yeah, yeah.
Murder and the depraved mind.
I don't know.
Thank you, Killer of Cereal.
I'm sorry, you were saying?
I think you were saying, like, well, if you like the person, then what?
Well, if you like the person, why wouldn't you want to date them?
Like, if you like them, they're your preference, why wouldn't you want to date them?
Because they are not the gender or they're not the sex that you're attracted to.
Like, I can put myself in this scenario.
I would personally be disgusted if I was, let's say, just like crazy scenario.
I married a trans woman.
I had no idea she was trans.
She sold herself really, really well.
And like hid it super well.
And we got married.
And I eventually figured it out.
Like, I would be absolutely disgusted.
Like, that needs to be something that's said.
It's like as disgusting to me as having an STD.
Probably even more so.
Like, that needs to be disclosed.
And I would say the vast majority of guys out there and women out there would probably feel the same.
They would feel violated.
They would feel disgusted.
Like, it's a very serious personal issue.
I can't trust you.
Exactly.
Like, I understand, like, yeah, this person wants to find somebody else, but like, it's extremely deceptive and hurtful.
And you're not.
You're coming from the point of view it would hurt the person who is trans, but it would you also have to consider that the other person is also human and they want to find somebody for themselves and it's extremely selfish to hold that information from that other person.
And if I can just say something real quick, I mean, why, you know, as a trans person, you know, if you're proud of being trans, if you, you know, can affirm to yourself that you're trans, why wouldn't you want to disclose that with somebody?
You know what I mean?
And also, in relation to like, okay, let's say you had herpes, right?
Something like that.
And sorry.
Okay, so let's say you had like herpes or something, right?
Why would you not tell that to somebody who you're dating and you know, intend having a relationship with?
Because that can also, first, you have the herpes, you can give it to them, and then that can go down to your children.
It's a whole, you know, it has to be disclosed because, you know, if that person really likes you really, truly and wants to get to know you, that might be something that won't bother them.
You know what I mean?
But I mean, why would you even want, as a trans person, I can understand why you wouldn't, why would you want to be with somebody who is transphobic in the first place or does not want to date a trans person?
Because that's not the right way.
It's not want to date somebody.
Well, not like that.
Not like that.
But that's the language they would use.
Yeah, probably.
But is that kind of your argument?
That it would be transphobic to not want to date somebody who's trans?
I don't think so.
I don't know.
Like, I really don't.
That's a fair answer.
You don't have to know.
Okay.
Well, okay, so let me ask a couple more clarifying questions.
So let's say that this trans woman has a penis.
Would that be reason enough for me to not want to date them?
I don't want to date whether they're, however, they identify they're a woman, trans woman.
I don't want to date someone who has a penis.
Is that reason enough?
Maybe, but maybe you should put on your profile.
That's your preference.
I need to, wait, I need to put on my profile that I don't want to date someone who has a penis.
Yeah, you could put in your preference that you don't want to date trans people, and that'll make the other person's decision for them because then they won't pursue you.
So wait, I need to change my behavior.
Like, can't I just say I'm straight?
Wouldn't that be sufficient?
I mean, if you're straight and excludes trans people, then it's not just straight for everyone who's a woman.
But it very much so hinges on people actually seeing the trans person as what they identify as.
If you don't see them as a woman, then like, yeah, technically you're straight, but that's not straight by everyone's definition.
So it kind of will leave room for ambiguity because other people will be an option.
Let me have a little bit of a question.
Okay, we'll forget again.
What is your definition of straight?
People of opposite gender, which is not sex.
Aristotle has donated $100.
Damn, that guy is a homophobe.
Sure, trans people should disclose that they're trans, but do you really think gay sex is worse than an STD?
Dang dude.
No one said that.
I'm glad he's discernible.
Oh, you did?
Okay, well, do you think that gay style is a little bit different?
Let's not.
No, Let's not go there.
I don't want to derail the conversation.
Yeah, let's not derail the conversation, but go ahead.
I would say it's people of opposite gender who are attracted to each other.
And a cis man and a trans woman are opposite gender.
So you could be attracted to each other and still be straight.
It is reasonable for someone else to assume just because you say you're straight doesn't exclude trans people.
But you're saying even a trans person who has a penis.
Yeah.
So what if, okay, so my understanding of what straight is, straight is short-form slang for heterosexual.
Would you agree?
Yeah.
Okay.
So whether you're heterosexual or homosexual, that seems to point towards sex, not gender.
So when we say homosexual, we mean same-sex relationship.
So how can it possibly be heterosexual for two males to be romantically or sexually involved?
Well, that hinges on your definition of it being the definition, though.
But it's not.
But okay, homosexual.
Two males.
Heterosexual, male-female.
My definition of it would be by gender.
See, this is a tough one.
That's a tough one for me.
This actually kind of goes into the point that I was going to make.
And I mean this as well as possible.
But one of the hallmarks for narcissism is that you have internal issues, you have internal struggles that you are working through, and you expect everybody around you to change, to cater to those personal issues.
And that can happen in, it doesn't necessarily mean in the realm of sex and gender.
It can also be in the realm of dating.
Like if my girlfriend, if I bring something up that I'm having an issue with in the relationship, hey, we're not communicating.
Hey, you blew up on me at this, like when you talk about it.
And if she is unwilling to change and is expecting all of the change to come from outside of her to mold to how she wants the world to be, that is textbook narcissistic behavior.
So when you ask the rest of the world to cater to the chaos that's going on in your brain, that is textbook narcissism.
And I'm not saying that you are evil because you're narcissistic.
I'm just saying those people need help.
And we need to see those people as someone, they need help.
They need our love.
They need our care.
But we also need to give them truth.
Because it's not going to get better if we just let them stew in that chaos.
And I mean, studies show that, show that it doesn't get better whenever you have reassignment surgery.
It doesn't get better if you reaffirm their request to gender.
That stuff does not get better.
The only thing that will improve their life is to give them truth and us to fight for them as a human being.
Because it's not going to get better if we just allow the rest of the world to try to mold to all of these changing definitions and chaos.
It's just not going to help.
Basically, to solve the problem, you always have to, you know, go to the root of the problem.
You know what I mean?
It's not just, like, you can't just let somebody, sorry, you know, especially, you know, with the whole gender-affirming thing.
If somebody just decides to do that, I mean, look at TikTok now.
That stuff is so all up in your face that, you know, it would even have me like questioning, oh, like, am I they?
Am I he?
Am I, that's kind of stuff.
But then you have to look, you know, deep down, why am I even questioning this in the first place?
Maybe there's like other issues that I'm going through that need to get solved.
Maybe it's, you know, the way that I was raised.
Wait, going around on this, I don't know if I open this up to the panel.
So, do you consider it straight for a man to date a trans woman?
Is it straight?
I'm not fully opposed to that idea.
Okay.
I agree.
With what?
What she said?
Like, I'm not fully opposed.
Instead of saying you agree, just for everybody here, just state your actual position.
Copy.
Yeah.
So I think if the woman presents as a woman initially and the person doesn't see what they have down there, then you're straight.
But if they find that out, then obviously things change.
Okay.
I would, as a trans woman, GMD underscore Jim donated $100.
Brixon, how many Amisha trans?
I mean, there might be zero.
This super chatter is full of cap.
The 42% attempted self-deletion rate does not change after surgery.
Williams Institute study is one source.
Yeah.
Those are the numbers that I've read in all the studies out there.
You were saying?
Thank you, GMD.
Appreciate it.
Yeah, I would consider it straight.
Straight?
Yeah, I would not.
What was the question?
Skip.
Well, it's not straight.
Yeah, it's not straight.
Okay.
I don't know.
Like, maybe I'm just thinking of this too simplistically, but like it occurs to me.
I don't know if I saw a dude sucking the dick, I might think, like, I don't know if you can be straight.
I'm sorry.
But that's making the assumption that they're sucking the dick.
Let's say there is a dick, though.
Yeah, but it's a trans woman with.
It's not being done with their dick.
Wait, what?
It doesn't mean anything's being done with their dick.
Let's say there is, though.
Then there is.
I don't know.
It's not my life.
Okay, but let's say it's a trans woman, looks like, what's the, Megan Fox?
Looks like Megan Fox, right?
Oh, yeah.
But has a penis.
A girthy one.
I don't know why I had to throw that in there.
And a dude is just going going at it.
You know, Sing the D.
I would still consider them straight.
I mean.
Oh, my God.
I don't know.
This is why definitions are important.
I don't think that this we need like that's why as as society we have to have definitions need to have meaning Because if they don't have meaning, all of this can.
Nothing means anything.
Anything goes.
And like, usually the people that, the people that push these positions, like, that is what they want.
It's like, you can't have an objecting opinion because your objecting opinion means nothing.
Because what you say means nothing because all those words mean nothing.
So we have to have opinions.
We have to have definitions for words.
Words have meaning.
All of that is important.
Based.
So straight.
You see a male, a man, Sing the D. S in the D straight?
If that's a woman, yeah.
Trans woman.
So a woman can have a penis.
Huh.
Okay.
Good talk.
Why are you looking at me that way?
This is new to me.
You know what I mean?
Awkward.
I mean, if like, like how we were talking about earlier, like the answer that I gave, like, you know, it's not always like gay for a straight man to be with a trans woman because I can like try to put myself in erroneous!
Erroneous!
Wait!
Oh, you've jumped in like every single screen for you.
I don't even see you pressing the buttons whenever.
Okay, what I mean is, so when I look at like examples of people who are, you know, Megan Fox face, but they actually have had the surgery already.
You know, they're getting, they date somebody, have, or, you know, first date with somebody.
This person, you know, they're getting along, right?
At the end of the day, you tell them, like, oh, you know, I'm trans, by the way.
And I get it if it's like really confusing for the guy because he's just like, damn, like, you know, you look.
Yeah, that's a bamboozle.
I wish you could say that, but I can understand like why from the guy would be, it would kind of, you know, F him up a little bit in the head because just like, damn, okay, you have a vagina.
You have a great personality.
You look exact.
Like, I wouldn't.
But that's.
No, no, no, but Ari has had the transition.
That's not a vagina.
Yeah, but I'm just saying I can understand.
That's something new.
I can understand why I'm not confused over that and be like, dang, like, am I straight for being, or like, am I gay for being attracted?
I can understand why, guys, like.
Aristotle has donated $100.
Christian is also a personal issue.
I don't want to have to cater to your delusion.
Numerous studies have shown that trans people benefit from affirming procedures.
Also, Brian, I am being patient.
It's shown that, and I couldn't give you a source, but it's also shown that people who have trans procedures don't never get better.
Just like the one who gave you the other source of.
I'll do him a solid.
He wanted to ask the panel.
By the way, we can only do one question per super or per message.
So going around the table, is it okay for religious reasons?
I feel like circumcision is okay for religious reasons, but the person being circumcised should be old enough to make that decision themselves.
Well, so the question is more so like for, obviously, if you're 18 and you want to get a circumcision, you're able to consent.
That's fine.
But he's talking specifically like circumcision when the newborn, basically.
Is that okay even for religious reasons?
I feel like newborns shouldn't be circumcised.
Okay.
I'm definitely leaning more towards no, but I can, I'm a little bit in between.
I think it's okay for religious reasons.
I do too.
I think it's okay.
I don't.
It's okay for religious reasons.
I don't know if I have a firm position on this, actually.
Because I'm a Christian.
In the Old Testament, it was ordained by God as like a designating attribute for his people.
And it was commanded by God to be circumcised.
So if I were living in the Old Testament, yes, for religious reasons, 100%.
But now that the fulfillment of Christ has come and we have the circumcision of the heart, which is detailed in the New Testament, that is the identifying mark of a Christian, of a child of God, is a circumcision of the heart, which is the Holy Spirit indwelling you and changing you and giving you new life.
So now, like as a Christian, I could go either way.
I guess it's more parental preference, but like I don't know if I have a hard opinion.
I'm against it, even if it's for religious reasons.
But yeah.
I'm against it pretty much in all circumstances, unless it's genuinely medically indicated, but at which point they can make the decision when they are of age at 18.
Let me read a couple chats here.
We have Ian Gordon.
I'm delayed 40 minutes, but I had to chime in while the spaghetti straps in black was discussing sex and gender as she's clueless.
The DSM-5 still qualifies gender dysphoria as a mental illness, which is the most recent literature on it.
I don't know if you have a response to that or.
Well, gender dysphoria is when you feel like your body does not match your gender, and you can cure gender dysphoria.
Some people have cured their gender dysphoria by changing their physical body to match their gender.
So I don't exactly know what question they're asking me.
Okay.
We have danger close here.
Thank you for the Canadian 100.
Mayor C. Buku.
This is what Marxists do.
They attack language and established definitions in order to subvert and change society.
Who here, show of hands, is a Marxist?
I wasn't raising my hand.
I was just like trying to get away from you.
You're from Venezuela.
And that's exactly what happened in my country.
You're from the Soviet Union?
No, my parents are, but that's exactly what happened.
That's exactly what happened in my country.
Do you guys want to talk about that really?
Oh, I have to do that.
What's going on in Venezuela?
What's going on there?
What's going on?
Well, in 1998, I'm just kidding.
Well, you know, after Chavez Day and Maluro got in power, the country went through inflation of a million percent, which is the highest inflation since the depression here in the United States in 1950.
That's 40.
Yes.
And then we have the biggest immigration rate from the century.
So Venezuela has a population around 33 million people and almost a million has left.
I mean, Marxism, as a political position, has caused the deaths of hundreds of millions of people throughout history and is egregious in all forms.
It needs to be killed wherever it rears its ugly.
Oh, hold on a minute.
Looper donated $100.
Why is it always the first girl to the right that's stuck in Lulu Land?
That's from Looper.
Do you want to respond to Looper?
He says you're stuck in Doluland.
Is that an actual place?
I saw the Barbie movie the other day.
I feel like that's probably Doluland.
Is that Doluland?
I feel like that could be it.
I regret watching it.
Who here has seen the Barbie movie?
It was the worst movie ever.
Sadly.
It was over.
I managed to avoid it when it came out months ago, but then two weeks ago or a week ago, I felt a connection to the Ken experience.
I feel a connection to the Helldivers experience in the new popular video game, Helldivers.
Oh, okay.
There you go.
Oh, yeah.
All right, Daniel Martin, this is why our society is crumbling because we're catering to a mental disorder that occurs in less than 5%, isn't it, 1% of the population?
And any opposition is met with a phobic label.
At the same time, masculinity is being stripped from society and labeled toxic.
Masculinity is such a beautiful thing.
100%.
Same with femininity.
Actually, I would actually have to kind of push back on that 5% of the population.
I don't know exactly what you're referencing right there, but I think the trend.
Yeah, well, transgender.
Gender dysphoria.
Being transgender.
I think actually it was like somewhere in the 1950s or 60s.
There was like a statistic.
It was like 2% of people experienced gender dysphoria or were trans.
I can't remember exactly which one it was.
But now it has gone to, I think it's like 20, 25% of the population suggests that they have some kind of gender dysphoria.
Really?
Which leads us to believe that it's not genetic.
It's not an actual physical trait.
It's a mental disorder.
So, I mean, as mental illnesses have skyrocketed over the last 50 years, like, you got to consider maybe that correlation should maybe change our mind on how we think about gender dysphoria or people who suffer with not knowing who they are, man or woman, or anything in between.
Last question on that, then we're going to totally get back to dating.
Aristotle.
Hijacking the show here.
Okay.
Sports?
I'm not with sports.
Yes.
Should, okay.
When it comes to sports and the trans thing, I'm just curious about this.
What's your stance there?
Do you think should they be able to compete in women's sports?
Trans men, trans women?
I have no stance about sports.
I don't care about sports.
You don't care about sports?
You don't even have an opinion on it?
Well, okay.
You don't care about it.
So do you're fine with it then?
You're fine with trans women competing in women's sports.
Okay.
Do you think that's fair?
I don't really care about sports.
I don't.
You don't care.
Well, you don't care about women in those sports?
I really don't know anything about sports.
I well, are okay.
Well, are sporting events, are they typically, you know, is there some degree of physicality involved with them?
I'm sure you'd agree there.
Yeah.
Okay.
Speed, strength, coordination.
yeah going around the table on this I guess uh do you think Do you think people who are trans women, should they be able to compete in probably most likely have their own league?
Yes.
What about you?
No, because I'm a black belt in Taekwondo, and black belts that are my rank that are men are absolutely stronger than me.
Okay, fair.
Yeah, I don't think they should compete together.
It's just like, I can understand trying to accept someone how they identify, but I just think it's a system that would be really abused.
So.
No, I feel like it's giving men another platform to be pushed forward in like a women's space.
And like at the same time, I've played sports my whole life.
I still play sports at UCSB.
What do you play?
I play lacrosse.
Lacrosse.
Okay.
Is there a men's lacrosse team?
There is, but I'd be terrified to play against that guy.
I agree.
I think we women have fight so hard for how a space in sports, and now it's been taken away for someone who is.
They should have their own division.
They should have their own.
Your thoughts?
Men and women are not equal.
We should be separate.
Yes.
I agree.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's, yeah.
Yeah, I don't think they should be participating in women's sports.
It's unfair to the women.
They want to pursue opportunities in sport and they can be taken away by these guys.
Any pushback there?
I don't care about sports.
You don't care.
Well, what about the women in those sports?
The females, I guess we should say.
I don't know, it's up to them to decide how it's done.
Well, let me ask you a question.
So let's think of this along the lines of sex.
So male-female.
Let's say that there was a significant, Substantial amount of trans women participating in sports to the point that females were no longer being able to win.
Would you have a position there?
I mean, I guess just that something should be done, but I really don't care about sports.
Let me ask you a question.
Let's say we just got rid of women's sports entirely, and then there was just the men's sporting events.
Would you object to that?
Yeah.
Why?
I guess because then that's excluding people.
Well, actually, let me rephrase this question.
Most men's sports are actually not exclusionary.
Women can participate and compete against the men.
Like most of the men's sports are actually open.
If you're a woman and you think you can compete against men, you can.
But there's just certain a biological reality.
There's physical differences between men and women.
And the reality is men typically stronger than women.
They're faster than women.
They're bigger.
Sometimes.
Mostly of the time.
Or, I mean, I don't know if there's disagreement there.
Would you tend to agree?
I don't disagree that there's physical differences.
Would you agree that men are stronger than women physically?
Sometimes.
Sometimes.
What about most of the time?
Mostly of the time.
Hold on, let her answer.
Sure.
What do you mean, sure?
Don't just say what you think I want to hear.
What's your actual position?
Yeah, more men are probably stronger than women, but it can go the opposite sometimes.
More men are probably.
Well, no, it can never go that way sometimes.
There's just the biological reality that men are physically stronger than women.
There are some women who are stronger than men.
Okay, yes.
That's not what I'm arguing.
Absolutely, there are women who are stronger than men.
But the vast majority of men are stronger than women.
Sure.
Let's just say the top athletes.
Let's just compare like for like.
So the top 1,000 male athletes and the top 1,000 female athletes.
Let's do a given sport.
Let's say the sprint, the 100-meter, 100-yard sprint.
So the top 100 male athletes are faster than all the top.
Did I say 100 or 1,000?
100.
The top 100 female athletes.
Yeah, I think so.
You think so?
I don't know what their records are.
Okay.
You could pull it up and see.
Sure.
Right.
Well, let's assume that's the case, right?
Would you agree then that generally speaking, men are stronger than women?
Yeah.
Oh, okay, cool.
I never didn't say that.
What you said some of the time, and then there's these exceptions, but yeah.
Any change on the sport thing?
No, I still don't care about sports.
I still don't care about sports.
Wait, tilt the mic down just a bit.
Wait, like, no, you know, no, just there you go.
Yeah.
Okay.
Good talk, guys.
That was a doozy.
Thank you, Aristotle, for bringing us there.
Much appreciated.
We're going to switch gears here a little bit.
Stiffler has a question.
Ask every, these guys, you're going to love this one too.
Ask everyone, Stiffler here.
Ask everyone to rate their looks on a scale of one to ten.
Your own assessment of your own physical appearance, so your looks on the scale of one to ten, starting with you.
Go ahead.
I don't really know.
Into the mic if you can.
I don't know, like seven.
Okay.
I would say like an eight and a half, just because I'm like, I'm definitely not in my full form yet.
Like my final form.
Like Frieza.
Yeah.
You know?
Go Super Saiyan.
You have to keep letting me hit him, you know.
I'm going to go to the next one.
Super Saiyan.
Okay.
Yeah, yeah.
What about you?
Four.
Four, okay.
I guess seven and a half or eight.
I guess seven.
A nine.
One, five.
Eight.
I give myself a five.
You know, five.
Good solid five.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Thanks, man.
Speaking of that, we did have a chat that came in that I'm going to trigger right now from Okie Doki.
He says, realistic rating of the women.
Oh boy.
From left to right.
Don't shoot the messenger here, guys.
From left to right, leather jacket five, denim jacket six, black shirt four.
Christmas sweater tomboy 4.5.
Fluffy jacket four.
Ginger hair seven.
Oh, he's good.
Okay, he's got a thing for you.
Okay.
Black crop top four.
This is generous, though.
God damn.
Damn.
I think maybe I also think.
I agree with my rating.
I think the way that we look is like the least interesting thing about all of us.
Also, I'm not going to lie, like the lighting.
The lighting, the lighting is lighting.
This is like a shop store overhead, the white fluorescent lighting.
Don't look at me though.
Don't worry about that.
Okay, so that was the rating there.
Okay.
We have Triceraclops.
Ask them this question.
Would you date a guy you know was willing to or has performed oral sex on a piano?
God damn, we're bringing it back in five.
Would you date a guy you know was willing to or has performed Sing the D sure?
I don't think so.
I don't know.
No.
Yeah.
No.
No.
I think that's for the ladies.
That's for the ladies.
Excuse me.
All right.
Wait, so okay.
Bringing it back to where this all stemmed from, we're going around the table.
What percentage of men do you find physically attractive?
Do you want to just restate your answer to that?
Are you able to scoot into the table just a little bit?
We're getting you out of the frame a little there.
Go ahead.
So I would say probably like, I don't really know.
So it's like one in a million or something.
One in a million.
Damn slow.
Dudes are just not doing it for you.
Maybe it's a geographic thing.
Like what if you move to Alaska?
Do you like like lumberjacks?
I don't know about that.
Do you like, do you have a racial preference?
Like, do you like Asian guys?
Do you like black guys?
You like white dudes?
Latinos?
I have no preference.
No preference on the.
Okay.
Just trying to help.
You know, maybe we would get you to Southeast Asia.
Korean men are very handsome.
Maybe you got a thing for Vietnamese men.
Don't discount the Thai.
Don't discount them.
Okay.
That's true.
Cambodians.
Laos.
Wow, this is so specific.
Mongolia?
I don't.
Would you date North Korea?
I would date anybody.
I'm just trying to give you the list here.
Trying to give you the list.
So, like, you never see attractive dudes.
I mean, what about Mason here?
Look at this stud.
Look, can we get a double buy really quick?
Sorry, I'm glazing.
I'm glazing.
Fuck, dude.
Who said damn those?
He could just wisp you away in his big, strong arms.
Just carry you away.
Like Prince Charming?
No?
Doesn't do it for you.
He could.
Okay, maybe that's a bit too Disney for you.
He could consensually force like passionately just throw you up against a wall and be like, okay.
You might be making him uncomfortable.
Sorry, so sorry.
Sorry.
So, sorry.
Sorry.
Yeah.
Okay, moving on.
What percentage of guys do you find attractive?
Like 30, 40.
30 to 40% of men.
What about on dating apps?
Like, how, so the way to answer this is: how many of the men do you swipe yes or no on?
I usually, damn, this is hard to get.
They take your chair and it'll make it easier.
Like, you know, so I don't know, this is hard because, like, I can see like a guy and be like, you know, I acknowledge that like you're handsome, but that doesn't really, for me, like, that doesn't make me automatically, there could be other factors, but just like attractive.
When I say attractive, like, physically attractive.
What percentage of men on dating apps are good-looking, physically attractive?
Like, 30-40.
Okay.
When I was on dating apps, a good 50, 50% of the people.
What about the person?
Did it change?
Well, like you said, it depends on like where you live.
Okay.
Where I live.
Where's that?
In the Bay Area.
So there's a lot of Asian white people.
Oh, okay.
Hold on.
Bro, like, that was exiting my mouth.
That was exiting my mouth.
Right.
Someone clipped that.
Hold on.
That was exiting my mouth right as she was like saying it.
I was thinking more like software engineers, not like a range.
I'm a fan of Asian men.
Not like romantically.
Holy fuck.
I'm just like digging myself in a grave.
Hold up, bro.
Hold up.
Oh, my God.
I just want to state for the record, I am accepting of all races except orange people.
Okay, Tay?
I'm not down with orange people.
Okay.
So based on the Bay Area, I would say 50% the same.
Because it's like when I was on dating apps, it was, it would show people in my area.
So like, you know, 50%, 50%.
Word.
Okay.
What about you?
Okay, I'm going to go back to the dating nurse just being shit.
Yeah.
Like, I think that, like, even like being in Santa Barbara, the options are better than like my hometown.
Which is Worgen?
It's San Clemente, which I think.
Some surfer dudes.
No, yeah, but they're not on dating apps.
Yeah, for the most part.
Or I recognize them.
What's the big surf spot in San Clemente?
Pierre San Clemente Pier.
No.
There's like T Street, but there's like Santo.
There's a lot of people.
That's San Diego.
Yeah, there's a lot of places, but I don't.
It depends on if you like shortborn.
So you like the surfer dudes?
I do, yeah.
That's your type.
I'd say one of my types, yeah.
But on the dating apps, you were saying they're all my type isn't on there.
Wait, but no, hold on.
Say your previous position.
You said they were all ugly.
Okay, I was exaggerating, but like, you know.
Most.
Yeah, I'd say most.
So I'm just gonna, I don't, I don't know what the percent is, but like definitely really low.
Like I just like.
On the dating apps?
On the dating apps.
I'd say hinge, like pretty low.
Like especially it depends.
One percent.
I don't know.
Yeah, it's like I sometimes it'll show me one good person and like and not even like su like not even saying like they are like a 10 out of 10.
Like I'm not like super picky.
I'm telling you that it's like it's either like okay I'm attracted to this person or it's like really scary people I've never seen in my life before like in public.
Wait, what's your age?
No, you said an age range on there.
Like are you seeing like 40, 50 year old dudes on there?
No, no, no.
So what is it?
Like you putting it to what 20 to 25 or something?
Yeah, something like that.
I don't know.
And there's just a bunch of like weirdos on there.
Just people that like, I've never, like, I don't know if they've ever been out in society before, you know, like that kind of like, just like hermits, like, you know, and maybe that is a problem with my profile or something, but you know, you mean the guy who's out out there, like he's homeless.
They're like, best picture.
Their like best picture looks like it was like taken on like a DS.
Like, it's like it is.
Like a potato quality.
It's just like weird selfies.
And I'm like, I will give you that a lot of guys on the dating apps don't put a lot of effort in.
They don't take good photos.
I can understand that.
I get it.
But there's some grimy dudes on there.
Some grimy dudes.
Yeah, like that's what they look like.
And maybe I'm also very hygienic.
So that's.
You're a hygienic woman.
Yes.
That is like a must.
Wait, on the hygiene topic.
Oh, God.
Wait, I'll save it.
I'm going to save it.
What about you?
Oh, wait, actually, sister says, in person, what percentage of men would you say attractive?
Way higher.
Yeah, way higher.
I think UCSB, there's a lot of attractive guys.
If you had to assign a percentage, maybe like one in five or higher.
20%.
20%.
20% of the guys are okay.
And I think kind of going on that it's I can find someone attractive, but I don't know if I'm attracted to them.
Even just on looks.
Oh, even look.
And just kind of like how someone carries themselves.
How they carry themselves.
You're talking like swagger?
Confidence, like confidence.
How they dress for sure.
Like, obviously, style is a big one.
What's your style type?
Matt Mason.
No, I'm not saying, you know, it's just not my type.
You like the skater boy?
Not, I mean, not really.
Emo?
No.
Do I look emo?
I mean, I would say just kind of like someone who artsy.
Artsy.
Yeah.
Like they listen to Pink Floyd.
No.
Okay, I don't know.
Yeah, I think you just would have to go.
What about you?
I'd say in person, probably like 25, 30%.
On a dating app, probably like a lower, like closer, like 15%, 20%.
Lower on dating apps.
Okay, what about?
I've never been in a dating app, so I can't.
What about before you got married?
What percentage of men would you say you found physically attractive?
I will say 30%, 35%.
Tay.
I'd say like 45, 50.
And then on dating apps, like 20, 50.
Well, I'm just going to adjust this.
All right.
Got it.
What about you?
For the ladies.
For the ladies.
I'm actually, I'm actually a lot more picky for a dude.
I was just thinking about this.
I would probably say 5%.
Or which is selective.
I'm extremely picky.
Like, I'll find attractive attributes about a woman.
Like, I can appreciate it.
Like, I think some women will have beautiful eyes, but I'm just not attracted to them.
Like, for certain attributes, I can see, yeah, they're attractive.
But like, for me to be attracted to a woman, there's like, yeah, it's like, I was trying to think out of a group of 20 people, probably I could find one person that I'm attracted to.
Yeah.
I think honestly, I find like if I'm just walking around, I'd say like a good 50% of the women I see, I think, are physically attractive.
I can make differentiations, like she might be a bit more attractive than this one or whatever.
Yeah, I mean, like, I think I'm kind of an anomaly with men.
I think men in general.
Well, bro, let's see.
Let's see.
the tricep.
Can we see a bit of...
Sorry, am I being weird?
Am I being sus here?
Fuck, bro.
I mean, you can be picky, dude.
You're allowed.
Allow.
Have you seen that video of that guy in the yellow shirt?
He's like, you got, you know, that muscle there when you flex.
Yeah, when you flex.
We don't care.
Nobody cares about that.
Nobody cares about that.
Yeah.
I don't know.
I love that video.
All right.
So, okay, we went around the table on that.
Who said they were super picky?
Was that, was it you who said you were super picky?
I forgot.
Someone said they're super picky.
Was it you?
Somebody said super picky.
When it's about the picky?
No, no, it was one of the girls.
I think it was, was it you?
Super picky?
Maybe on dating apps?
I don't know.
Wait, sorry.
Somebody didn't say that specifically, though.
Somebody said super picky.
Chat, who said it?
Nick, if you can pull up the chat.
By the way, guys, take this opportunity to like the video, please, if you can.
If you don't like the video, I don't know if you've guys been watching the three-body problem, but the fucking aliens are gonna come, I guess.
I don't know.
I'm gonna send, if you don't like the video, a nuke is gonna explode.
Yeah, you guys gotta like the video.
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Drop us a follow in the prime sub if you have one.
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Oh, what?
It's okay.
Wait, what were we looking on?
You were asking who looked, or who said they're super picky.
Oh, yeah, chat.
Chats.
Who said they're all that person?
It was you.
You're super picky.
So, besides the looks thing, what are you looking for?
And I'll open this up to everybody.
She's super picky.
What are you looking for?
Because you said you've been single for 20 years.
So you are, it sounds like you're super picky.
Yeah, I was like scanning and listening.
You're super picky.
Yeah.
Never had a boyfriend, sounds like.
Yeah.
So what am I looking for?
What are you looking for?
What's going to make that finally happen?
Personality-wise, too, or just looks?
It could be looks.
It could be personality.
It could be ambition, achievement, whatever it is.
I think someone pretty similar to me.
I know everyone thinks I'm a tomboy in the comments, but I used to have long hair.
It's actually just this year that I cut it pretty short.
I think I am very feminine, actually.
I just was, I literally drove up here from my house today and was wearing a sweater and just randomly did this.
So I wasn't dressed for the podcast or for the show at all.
Yes, I will.
So I will say that to defend myself.
Now, going into my type, I would say personality-wise, I think I like someone that is confident in themselves, like how I am, and is not afraid to express themselves.
I like artsy guys because I think that they are confident in that way.
And I like how they have cool hobbies and are interested in stuff that I am.
I don't think that I'm against other types of guys either, like more sporty guys or, I don't know, other types of guys.
I think that is just like what I've kind of been more drawn to at UCSB.
But UCSB does have a lot of fragboys.
They do, but are you down with the Fratboys?
I had that sorty?
Sorty?
No.
I had that phase.
You had the Frat Boy phase.
Kind of, yeah, freshman year.
A lot of people do.
No.
Oh, she knows something.
she knows something so i did have that phase and i think beta Right.
Huh?
Beta?
ZBT?
Is Beta still around?
I don't know.
They're gone?
They're gone?
Sorry.
CBT, no.
Yeah, no.
I'm not going to disclose that.
In the UCSB fraternity fraternity.
I'm not going to disclose it.
Wait, ATO's gone too?
No, ATO's here.
They're here.
Yo, this is for the fucking boomers.
There used to be a pike at UCSB, and they got into mad fucking trouble here, bro.
Holy shit.
That's back in the day, though.
I'm a local.
I grew up in Santa Barbara, so.
Good talk.
Anyways, you really liked frat guys?
I didn't say I really liked them.
I just had a phase like freshman year.
It's just like I went to a lot of frat parties, and those are the guys that I saw.
I'd say now I kind of have found more like my niche, and they are usually more artsy and probably you guys would say more feminine, but Timothy Chalamet.
But no, honestly.
No?
No.
Okay.
I think it's kind of just a celebrity crush that we can look up to see who's like, at least it looks-wise, kind of your type.
Oh, okay.
I'll have to think on that one.
I'll have to get back to that.
Yeah, I can't think off the top of my head.
I kind of have celebrity crushes from like shows I've watched, but I don't think they really would help you with my type.
Okay.
Yeah.
I think it's kind of specific.
Like Joey from Friends?
Oh, no.
Wait, Joey, we know.
Dwight from the office.
I fucking, bro, you're so down for Dwight.
admit it Dwight as in the one with glasses that yeah Spears, beats, battle stargax.
That's definitely.
Anyways, moving on.
Okay.
And then ambitions.
I'm very ambitious.
And that is honestly probably why I haven't dated because I've always been really focused on school and just like getting my career going.
And so I've never wanted to spend my time share it with someone.
And I think a relationship is a very big commitment.
That's why I said I've had a lot more casual stuff.
And was there anything else that you asked about?
No, just types.
So, okay.
Let's open up to the panel.
Going around the table, what is your type?
It can be looks, it can be personality.
Should I start first just to give a...
All right, here, you ready for the fucking list?
Let me pull up the list.
Oh, boy.
Oh, boy.
Here we go.
Okay.
Yeah, this will help you guys prompt this.
Okay, looks.
Any race is fine, but slight preference.
Asian.
For white women or Asian women.
Look, I'll date a black woman.
I'll date a Latina woman.
Slight preference, though.
Let's see.
Prefer shorter women.
You know?
Look, I'll date a six foot five woman.
MB.
That's fine with me.
But slight preference in terms of what I find the most attractive, short.
Like 4'11 is good.
4'10?
4'9?
Sign me up.
It's always funny telling a girl who's 5'2 that they're too tall for me.
But I'll date a tall, you know, six, seven foot, whatever.
What?
Warrior children.
Okay.
Oh, natural.
I'm a natural body supremacist.
Okay, so what does this mean?
Obviously, hygiene and grooming is important, but very strong preference for no plastic surgery.
So no fake tits, no fake lips, no BBL, no lipo.
Definitely no labia plasty.
Very much against that.
I have a fucking nonprofit organization to advocate for women.
I'm a feminist.
What is this?
Labia plasties when they cut labia.
I'm not a fan.
Oh, no makeup.
Minimal or no makeup.
Prefer no sense of perfumes.
I feel that.
For a what?
No sense or perfumes?
Deodorant's okay.
Deodorant's okay.
Not a fan lotion.
I mean, whatever.
Let's see.
When it comes to the natural body supremacy thing, let me make my point even stronger.
I'll take, I'd prefer like a girl with no boobs, so like a cup flat over some fake titties over fake titties.
I'll take a little belly fat over lipo belly.
I'll take a small bum over a BBL and a small upper lip over lip fillers.
I think you're describing me.
No, I'm just kidding.
It's like basically take any woman with any of these procedures, however they were before.
I would prefer them as they were.
Let's see.
What else?
Yeah, no, oh, like other shit like fake nails, fake hair.
Don't really like that.
I said large labia.
I'm a fan of large labia.
Big labia mattered.
Big labia mattered.
BLM.
Hashtag BLM.
Please support it, guys.
And, oh, personality.
Okay.
I'm kind of, this is kind of a new, a niche one.
I'm kind of, girls are totally the opposite from me on this.
I want a girl who's a premature ejaculator.
That's under personality?
I'm getting.
I'm getting there.
But like, where's all the like chicks that are premature ejaculators?
What the fuck does that mean?
That means they come early.
I've met a few.
Good times.
You know.
Let's see.
What else?
Oh, I want her.
I'm very much like very feminine, submissive.
Some people have an issue with that word.
I like submissive women.
In fact, Nick, speaking of submissive women, we have the bowing video.
Nick, can you pull up the bowing video?
This is what I want, okay?
This is a bit excessive, a little bit, but not really.
Go ahead.
Holy shit, did you guys fucking see that bow?
Bro, so attractive.
Now, this extra part, okay, he's, you know, not really.
But look, attentive.
I get home from a long podcast.
My food's ready.
She's got a beer.
I don't drink alcohol, but she's got a drink ready for me.
I'm not a big noodles guy, but she doesn't have to do the noodle.
That's too much.
I mean, it's nice.
And then, Nick, one more time.
Let's just see the bow just to reinforce it.
Holy shit.
Did you see the technique?
Huge.
The bow, huge.
So she's got a big fan of the bow.
Got to get that down.
Got to have the bow.
Yeah.
That's it.
Anybody object to the bow?
No.
Like, if you're dating this guy, you like him, but he's like, hey, babe.
I'd like you upon greeting.
Don't worry, not in public.
Actually, yes, in public.
Babe, I need you to just bust out a bow.
Would you go for it?
I wouldn't do it.
Why are you shaming?
That's really offensive, bro.
I actually think it's racially insensitive for you to say that, too.
I wouldn't.
I think you're a racist.
I'm kidding.
I'm kidding.
Come on.
A little levity here, eh?
I'm kidding.
You're not a racist.
I retract my accusations.
Why are you looking at me that way, bro?
Relax.
I love you.
Just kidding.
Sorry.
We got one sense of humor here.
All right.
Come on, guys.
I'm joking around here.
Would you do a bow?
Would you do a bow?
No.
Bro, this girl wants a munch, but she won't do a bow.
What's up with that?
Dow.
Into the mic.
I'll do other things.
Into the mic.
No, wait, that's crazy.
Wait.
You'll do other things?
What do you do?
What'd you do?
Bro, it's head for head.
Like, I'm sorry.
It's as simple as it is.
Wait, question.
Okay.
You don't mind me asking you kind of a vulgar question?
Let's see.
Let's see what the question is.
Okay, she's down.
Like, would you be cool with a guy?
Some girls are into this.
They want to be.
I'm trying to put it in the most fucking delicate way possible.
They want to receive the seed on the facial area.
You know, I actually heard that's really good for your skin.
So you'd be down like you're into that?
Yeah, but I know that's like.
Have you done that?
That sounds like a yes.
No, I really have to remember because I, you know, I don't really be doing.
But that's crazy because I'm over here.
I just want to bow and like girls be like, whoa, that's oppressive.
Well, that's okay.
But you want, you'll let a guy, girls, you'll let a guy come on your face, but you won't do a bow?
That's crazy.
That's so different, though, bro.
Crazy.
Bro, what do you mean?
What I do in my mouth.
Coming on your face.
It's a completely different tone.
Boom!
Maybe I'm like, I'm a kid, what if it gets in your eyeballs?
Maybe you can do it in my hand, and I'll just like.
Bro, you could get an eye infection.
You don't even know.
Yeah, I know.
That's bad for you.
It's in your hair, and then it fucks your hair up.
The hair gets all fucked up.
It takes years to get that shit out.
I'm exaggerating a bit.
I haven't had that experience.
I've literally never had that.
Accidental in the hair?
Huh?
Okay.
But would I bow?
He's got good aim then.
He's got good aim.
Bowing, like, let's say, like, you, I don't know, like, we were going on a date and then I saw you, right?
We met up with each other.
You want me to bow to you?
I'm like, that's what they do in Asia, though.
But that's like, that's not.
How about just in private?
Just in private?
Like, I'm coming home.
I don't know.
It's just nothing.
It's something I've never done.
I mean, for our culture, like in the Philippines, we do that for like adults and stuff.
In the Philippines?
My mom's Filipino.
Oh, you're half black, half Philippine.
So, like, we do that.
We do, we do this.
You know what I mean?
To like every adult.
But would I do that to him?
It's literally just like a sign of respect, but.
Oh, okay.
You know, we don't do that.
I'd still like the bow.
I mean, that's nice.
Oh, yeah, but it's like the same thing.
I'd prefer the bow.
It's nice, though.
Okay, what about you?
You do a bow for your guy?
He wants a bow?
Yeah, I mean, we've been dating for two years.
If he asked, I would.
Is your boyfriend watching right now?
No.
Yo, dude, I know you're fucking watching this shit.
Get the bow going.
Dude, you gotta fucking ask him.
You gotta get her to do a bow.
I would do it even if he didn't ask me.
You know what?
Just if he's not watching, just surprise him.
With a bow.
Just surprise him with a bow.
The next time I see him would be awesome.
I will.
And tell us how he reacts.
He'd probably be like.
He'd be like, yo, that's hot.
All right, let's go.
What about you?
Would you bow?
Only if it was like a joke to make fun of this.
No, totally.
Totally serious.
You wouldn't do it?
What about you?
No.
No bow?
Oh, I absolutely will do it from my husband.
Actually, he's even in Japan.
He speaks Japanese.
He's fluent in Japanese.
So he probably will love that.
Is he in Japanese?
No, he's American.
He's wife.
Would you bow you?
Yeah, I would.
Oh, yeah.
Would you want a bow from your lady friend?
If my lady friend or wife bowed to me, I would take it as a sign of deep respect, and I would be very appreciative.
There you go.
All right.
Last hippo for what I want to.
Personality, right?
Personality.
I think that that was part of the personality thing a little bit, but I have a moderate preference for introverted women.
I've written a list, so I'm just going to read it.
Quiet, calm, soft-spoken, a little bit shy, a little bit nerdy.
And also, I'd argue, once a shy or introverted person gets comfortable around you, I'd say their personality tends to blossom.
Modesty is huge.
I don't like women who are super cocky or big egos, super vain divas.
Not my thing.
Brings me peace, doesn't quarrel.
Proverbs 21:19, better to live in the desert than with a quarrelsome and nagging wife.
Oh, I've heard that.
One of the most based Bible verses.
Doesn't party, doesn't drink.
I rarely drink, so there's reciprocity here.
Doesn't do drugs, doesn't go to bars or clubs.
Low body count, the lower the better.
No current or past promiscuity.
Undivided romantic and sexual attention.
The earlier the better.
Has a praise kink.
Just throwing that in there.
They're saying there's some lag issues.
Lag?
Okay, I'll figure it out.
Is everybody in the chat saying that?
A lot of people.
On my YouTube, on my phone, it's good.
I'll take a look.
Just to wrap up.
Someone who helps me on my mission, someone who's attentive.
And honestly, some people say, like, the way to your heart, a man's heart is through his stomach.
I just like scratch my back, massage my shoulders.
Boom.
Done deal.
That's it for me.
I need to get up for a sec, check on a couple things.
We'll start with you going around the table.
What are you looking for?
What was the coin?
What's your type?
Thank you.
Thank you.
Going around the table.
What's your type?
Looks-wise, personality.
Go ahead.
I would say someone who is attentive.
They're aware of life outside of themselves.
And they're very caring, not just for me, but for themselves, their family, for their friends.
Someone who's creative and, well, I guess someone who puts that to action.
Like they have hobbies and they do things they enjoy.
They have that passion and they pursue things.
I really don't know what else to say.
Physical?
I don't really have any physical preferences, I don't think.
No?
No.
I mean, maybe long hair.
What about height?
Height doesn't really matter.
I've dated people shorter than me.
Would you be attracted to someone who's obese?
Sure.
Hmm.
This is hard.
Probably I would prefer somebody taller than me.
The person who I was talking to in my past, that recent past that I mentioned, he was like around my height, which is okay.
Like, it's nothing too crazy.
Like, racial preference, I would prefer, you know, somebody black or Hispanic.
But I'll delve into white.
That's okay.
Like, that's fine, you know?
Anyway.
Try conflating.
Yeah, right?
A little Napoleon ice cream of it, whatever.
Let me think.
Definitely somebody who's disciplined, self-aware, has goals, and does what they have to do to achieve those goals.
Hmm, I don't know.
Definitely not like a fashion guy.
I'm sorry.
Like, if you're really, if you're really hardcore into that, you know, good for you.
Stay away from me, not for me.
I'm sorry.
Probably just like a masculine guy.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Somebody more masculine.
Okay.
I don't have a racial preference.
I've also dated people that were my height, and I don't really mind that.
Build-wise, I would prefer the person to be on the more athletic/slash-muscular side, but I can't really say much about that because I'm a little bit chunky myself.
But I prefer that.
Obviously, like good hygiene and good health.
Personality-wise, I like when guys are a little bit shy, but they can make their own decisions and aren't super indecisive.
I also really also like masculine men, more masculine men.
Yeah.
Okay, well, I kind of already went.
But yeah, I agree with the hygiene thing.
I was like raised pretty hygienic, and I didn't realize that was a thing until I came to college and met other people who weren't.
And so that's a pretty big thing for me.
Like, brush your teeth in the morning and at night.
I think that's pretty basic.
Basic hygiene.
You would think.
But yeah.
Yeah, I don't have a racial preference.
I feel like I just have mostly gone with white guys just because maybe that's who's attracted me and like who's around.
And what else?
I was going to say, oh, also, I do want someone caring too.
And I think I kind of skipped over that, but I'm pretty like giving and caring.
And I would not want someone that is just like taking.
And I've seen that in relationships of like other people.
And I just think it's like doomed to end.
That like it's not an even relationship.
So yeah.
Physically, I'd say I'm attracted to like white or like Waysian guys.
Taller than me, athletic.
I like athletes.
Yeah, people that like care about their physical health.
Yeah, hygiene too.
Now that we're talking about that, that's big.
I forgot to say that.
I don't do well with germs.
And so, yeah, hygiene.
You're a germaphobe?
Yeah, probably.
Like, yeah.
What else?
Someone who's loyal, empathetic, observant.
I'm religious, so someone, a guy that was Christian.
What else?
Yeah, someone that I think is like aware of their emotions.
And like, even if they don't have the best way of expressing it, like, they like make an attempt.
My husband is my tech.
Good answer.
I'm going to have to say God-fearing, ambitious.
He has to go to the gym, funny, family-oriented.
I'm Mexican, black, and Filipino, so I prefer to date black or Mexicans.
They're the only ones who understand my culture.
But other ethnicities are good too.
I'm trying to think of colored eyes, tattoos, nice teeth, hygiene.
Yeah, smart.
And somebody who's respectable, like a lot of people like him, you know, like you don't want those guys that nobody likes to be around.
So very like happy, funny.
Yeah.
I think that's it.
Fair, fair.
For me, number one, she has to be God-fearing.
She has to be like God is her number one priority.
She has dedicated her life to his mission primarily.
Secondly, I was talking to my friend about this, and the advice I usually give to my buddies when they're asking, like, what do you look for in a woman?
I ask for submission.
I want them to be submissive.
But what I think that plays out most applicably as we're starting off the relationship is I want them to be teachable.
Like, that kind of sounds like I'm the teacher and they're a child.
Not like that.
But if there's a disagreement and I say, hey, this is what the Bible says about this issue.
Here are the references.
Here's what it says.
I want you to think about this, pray about this, and come back to me with what you, like, where do you land on this?
And if the Bible is clear on a certain subject and they come back to me and they disagree and they say, I don't care, I still feel like it should be this way.
That's, she's not teachable.
And like, we can't grow as a couple if we can't say there's like an objective standard to what we're trying to achieve.
So she has to be teachable.
She has to be in the gym.
I want a woman who cares about her health, her body.
I guess it doesn't necessarily have to be like a body, like, I'm not asking for a bodybuilder.
I just want someone who's going to go into the gym, do your cardio, lift heavy weights relative to what she is.
She has to squat.
Oh, boy.
350.
How much does she have to bench?
Oh, that's a good question.
350.
No, just yeah.
I was talking to this one girl who she benches like, well, she benches equipped, but she benches like mid-300s equipped.
That's a whole lot.
Yeah, yeah.
That is her squat.
That's her squat.
Her squat, it was like mid-400s.
Damn.
Equipped.
Equipped.
I mean, does it get to a point to you, like, can it ever get to a point when it comes to a woman's looks where if they're too muscular, they're getting into like masculine territory?
Yeah, yeah.
Like, she was definitely not, like, she didn't look super muscular.
Like, I could tell if she had like some muscle on her, but she wasn't like ripped and like veiny and just, ah, that doesn't look good.
Like, she did look feminine.
Like, I could tell, I mean, she had like muscular, muscular, oh, what I'm trying to say.
She had muscular features.
So it accentuated certain things about her that I liked.
But, yeah.
So I'm looking for somebody who's fit.
I'm also kind of like a natural body kind of guy.
I don't want someone who's...
Say it.
Say it.
You're a supremacist.
I am a natural body supremacist.
Yes, yes.
I agree.
I have a question about that.
So would you consider.
Supremacy?
Yeah.
Would you consider Ozempic a quote-unquote modification?
It depends on the situation.
It's related to the natural body supremacy thing.
Not really.
I mean, for me, that's more so anything that's a cosmetic procedure or surgery.
So if you're taking a medication, that's for weight loss.
It's also for diabetes as well.
I take medication.
She lost 30 pounds.
That's awesome.
Good for you.
I would say medication is really not really within the realm of what I'm talking about when it comes to natural body supremacy.
I'm talking like, I don't want to grow with fake boobs.
Even if she has small, like, again, I'd prefer just no boobs, small boobs, small boobs over fake boobs.
No lip filler, no fat transfer stuff, BBLs, no labioplasty.
I already said that.
The most important thing, obviously.
Yeah, obviously.
Obviously.
You wanted to continue, though?
You were saying on the next one.
Yeah, natural body supremacy.
So, no procedures.
Like, I want a woman to be comfortable in who she is.
Like, God created me as such.
And I want her to be like, I am totally cool with that.
And I want to give myself to you like that.
And I think that's like from a mental place, it's awesome.
Like, she's comfortable in herself.
She's comfortable in her skin.
I think that's just super attractive.
I guess personality-wise, I really love a woman who's kind of chaotic.
Wait, you love a woman who's so I'm a pretty mellow dude.
Like, I'm quiet.
When I say things, it's usually like I feel like they need to be said.
I'll usually reserve like what I have to be said for, like, the last possible moment, or if it's necessary.
I've had the most fun in relationships when I can kind of hold frame and she's kind of chaotic inside of it.
Like, she brings energy, like, she's kind of fun to be around.
She'll say things that are like off the wall.
I'm like, huh, that's kind of strange.
Or she has a sense of humor.
I think there's like something beautiful about a man being like that frame and then his woman being kind of like the energy bringer.
I love that dynamic.
I'm really into that.
I've kind of discovered that over time.
Because I've dated women who are just kind of like low energy and it matches me.
And I'm just like, it brings you down even more.
I kind of like, I want you to lift my spirits.
And for some women, that's like natural to them.
And I love that.
But you use this specific word there.
You used chaos.
Yeah.
Because you're like neutral.
Yeah.
I don't know.
It's chaos.
Yeah.
Well, because I'm like, organized.
Chaos is like unpredictable.
Yeah, so she's like unpredictable.
Yeah.
Chaos is like unpredictability.
So like it's chaos to a certain extent.
Like I don't want her to like one day she's like totally devoted to me and the next day she's like, I'm going to go sleep with this other dude.
No, like I'm not talking about like that chaos.
I'm talking about like just her personality.
Kind of like bubbly, but not bubbly.
It's kind of, yeah, exactly.
Bubbly with like an edge.
She'll like say things off the wall or like say what's on her mind.
But it's the best way I've found to describe it is chaos.
She's a little chaotic.
Things just happen.
Is there like a female celebrity you can point to who has this trait?
I feel like Amelia Clark.
Amelia Clark is kind of Jennifer Lawrence.
She's so pretty.
Maria from The Bachelor.
Oh yeah, yeah.
Like Jennifer Lawrence.
You know who that is?
I actually asked, I used to have a big crush on Jennifer Lawrence.
What about Amelia from Game of Thrones?
Game of Thrones, yeah.
Daenerys.
Daenerys.
Oh, she's super bubbly.
Yes, yes, okay.
I've seen her in interviews.
Yeah, yeah.
She's kind of got this.
Yeah, I totally, yeah, she's my type.
Okay.
There we go.
And you're a virgin.
Are you looking for a virgin?
Oh, yes.
Like 100%.
I'm a virgin.
I'm not necessarily, I mean, Brian's against this, but I'm not necessarily looking for a virgin.
Brian really wants me to wait for a virgin.
I'm his gatekeeper.
Yes, he's my gatekeeper.
I'm the gatekeeper.
So whenever I find a woman, I will present her to Brian for his approval.
Yes, it has to go through me.
Exactly.
Yes.
You want to get to him, you got to get through me.
Indeed.
We have established this.
Not sus at all.
Wait, so hold on.
So you're, but it sounds like prefer virgin, but you'd be okay if she.
Exactly.
Yeah.
I prefer a virgin, but I'm not blind to the statistics that if you have five or more partners, you are 20%, you're only 20% likely to have a successful marriage.
So I'm not blind to those statistics.
I understand that.
So I want someone to not have a high body count.
If you want to use, I'll use that term because it describes what I'm talking about.
But yeah, I want someone who's not promiscuous.
Based.
Valid.
Based.
Yes, based.
Is any ladies here at the table wanting to get with a virgin man?
Not specifically.
Like, I don't care.
I don't care.
No preference.
No, I wouldn't care.
It doesn't matter.
What if the guy, like, do you have a preference for a guy who's sexually experienced or a guy who's sexually inexperienced?
Neither.
We're going around the table.
Take it away.
No preference.
Nope.
No preference.
You have no preference?
Kind of like with a sports?
Sports thing, no preference.
Wait, you don't have any preference.
So, like, let me frame it this way: really good in bed and really inexperienced in bed, which might not necessarily always mean that they're bad in bed, but it's more likely.
I mean, I'm not looking for either specifically if they have other traits that I like and that just so happens to be what they are.
So it's not a deal, like it wouldn't be a deal breaker for you if they're just terrible in bed.
That's fine.
It's not the most, I mean, it might be a little bit terrible.
It might influence people, but it's not the most important thing.
Okay.
Okay.
Wait, going back to the hygiene thing.
You were talking about hygiene.
This is somewhat hygiene-related.
And I'm bringing it back to the munch thing a little bit.
Sort of, but the reverse.
Would you feel off-put if you went down on the dude and whether he finished or he didn't, he didn't want to kiss you after?
Would you feel a bit this is this is open to the panel, we'll start there, you know, feel a little like what the fuck?
Maybe a little, I don't know.
It would be a little bit.
Didn't want to kiss you after getting no, that's fine.
I feel like a little bit.
I could understand.
It's just like, okay, then we'd have to time that.
You know, I don't know.
Time it.
Because it was just like at the beginning, it's like, okay, now I can't kiss you unless I go brush my teeth.
It's like, okay, that kind of just killed the vibe.
Or you just don't kiss for the remainder of the session, you know.
It works.
Which is not preferable.
Okay, what about you?
I think it's a little weird.
A little weird, okay?
Yeah, I swear.
Unfortunately, the mic was like two meters away, but I don't really care about that stuff.
Don't care about that stuff?
I'm not going to answer that.
Okay.
I got to come out and say it.
And I don't really, you know.
Don't want to kiss after that.
We knew.
No surprise.
Hey, look, sexual boundary.
Sure.
Sexual boundary, you know?
I mean, it's also valid if, like, a guy goes down on the girl, and then if the girl doesn't want to kiss him afterwards, it's basically the same thing.
I don't object to that.
Exactly, and that's why I'm like, if he doesn't want to kiss, then he doesn't want to kiss.
Like, I'm not going to force him.
It's only the difference is, though, it seems there's like a lot of pushback when men have sexual boundaries about what they do or don't want to do.
Like, imagine if we were like, what the fuck?
I just ate your pussy.
You don't want to kiss me?
I don't know.
I don't know how many, maybe, I don't know if there's a, they've probably never done a study on this.
If there's like, is it equal rates in terms of do women not enjoy kissing after receiving?
Do I don't know what the difference is, but any thoughts on that?
Did anybody?
Never mind, actually.
Never mind on that.
Did we miss any?
Oh, let me read this chat.
Perseocles, Perseocles.
I don't know.
I'm a bit late to it, but bowing is a problem.
Hispanic is Hispanic in the Midwest.
In my family, when we saludar, we get on our knees, kiss the back of the hand, then touch their hand to our forehead.
Well, I feel like that's like a cultural thing.
Personally, that's not my culture.
But in Hispanic countries, we don't really do that.
I don't know what he's saying.
You know what?
I will accept a curtsy from a white woman.
If that's what it takes.
That shit, people did that shit in the Middle Ages and shit with kings and queens.
That was a Caucasian bow.
I'd prefer the bow, but I will begrudgingly accept a curtsy.
In fact, I would like to see every single girl here.
I want to see your curtsies.
That's applicable to modern dating.
Do you have it?
Yeah, are you going to bow back?
Is it being reciprocated?
Well, that was how it was curtsy.
This is how it goes.
So let's say I'm walking back to my house.
I get to my house.
My girl's there.
She does the bow.
I just do like, I'm like walking past her.
I just like, I use the side eye.
I'm just like, that's it.
Hell no.
Sorry.
Okay.
What were we talking about again?
What was it?
Curtsy?
Yeah.
It sounded like you wanted to do a curtsy.
No, we were saying that, like, let's see it.
Let's see the curtsy.
Oh, no, you can just.
Hold on.
Yeah.
Like, I don't have a skirt, so it's a head of a table.
Yeah, that's fine.
It's kind of difficult to see when you have one.
Yeah.
And then the bow.
Should we see the bow?
Oh, short.
How'd they do?
Your hands by your side.
It was pretty good.
It needs a bit of work, but it was good.
For your first attempt, it was solid.
Good job.
Good job.
You'll make a man very happy one day.
Uh-oh.
That's my purpose.
I'm just saying.
I love that.
I was joking.
Yeah, exactly.
Okay.
Anybody else want to try their hand at a curtsy?
It's kind of fun.
All right.
She's trying to curtsy.
There you go.
Wow, that was so bad.
I am so sorry.
It was, I mean, she needs to stretch.
Is that better?
The effort.
That was better.
The effort.
It was a good stress.
It would be way better.
Yeah.
Okay.
Do you want me to bow?
I'll see the.
That was a good.
It was a deep.
It was a deep bow.
You have to bow to everyone.
I'm impressed.
I'm very impressed by the bow.
Well done.
Thank you.
Well done.
I kind of want to see practice.
I don't know if you're interested.
We could assess your bow or curtsy.
I seem like it seems like you really want to do this.
I can tell.
She's thinking about it.
Sophia's getting away.
No, no, I'm getting water.
I should have to do one if I do one.
Does everybody have to do one?
If you do one, okay, I'll do one if she does one.
I just have to fix my do it in.
You're cool.
Do it in.
You're cool.
Pear pressure.
Where did I go?
That's yeah, perfect right there.
Wait, right there.
All right.
That was pretty good.
Were you a theater kid?
Were you a theater kid?
Nope.
Okay.
That was like a theater kid.
And then should we see the bow?
Wait, that was the bow.
I would have.
It was decent.
Yeah, it was definitely better than your bow.
Typically, you want to go a little deeper with the bow, I think.
I don't think I've ever bowed before.
Hey, you know.
I think.
Yeah.
Good stuff.
Good stuff.
That was.
This is good.
It was good.
All right.
Thank you, Perseo Cleese, for that one.
Appreciate it.
Oh, shit, though.
Let me get into some of my appreciation.
Did I do that?
No, I did that.
Sorry.
Did the camera get that?
Oh, fuck.
Okay.
Well, what are you doing?
Are you going to sit back down?
I thought.
Well, I was going to get him, but I'd rather not, honestly.
Because then I have to pull my skirt down and then.
Okay, here.
Let me readjust the camera.
I need to fix the camera.
So while I do that, why don't you guys, Tay, you got a question for the panel?
No.
Help me out, bro.
Help me out here, Tay.
You got a question.
A question about anything?
Dating.
You got this.
Did we already ask red flags?
No.
Perfect.
What are your top three red flags?
It's automatic a no for you when you meet a guy.
You want me to start?
I think somebody who doesn't keep their word, I would say lying.
Oh, keeping your exes around.
It's a no for me.
There's a lot of guys who have their exes around.
I don't know what's up with that lately.
I can't do it.
Not even as a friend.
It's rude.
Agree.
I very much agree.
I could go next.
Let's go around the table.
Start over here.
Never mind.
So, top three.
I feel like I agree with the X one.
That one's pretty important.
Entertaining other people's flirting is really annoying.
I don't like that.
That's a good one.
Faced.
Let's see what else.
Literal jealousy of animals.
Like, slightly personal.
Is it my turn?
Yeah, okay.
She said, mm.
Damn.
Okay, definitely big on that ex stuff.
Oh, that's hard.
How their relationship with their parents, for sure.
If they have a bad relationship with their parents, yeah, I don't like that.
What else?
And like a little bit bummy, you know, in the way that you like can't keep your word.
You know, if you say you're going to do something, just do it.
Like, you know, don't, don't say it.
Why?
Why lie?
I think one of the biggest red flags for me is when they don't treat service workers, like waiters, with respect, because that shows how they treat other people and potentially me.
that's the first one the second one is if oh god I just thought of it and it flew away from me.
So many to choose from.
I know.
Get back to me.
I forgot.
Okay.
So mine were kind of building up, or building off of other people's, but yeah, like the basically just like all like talk, no action, like saying like, oh, like, I was going to do this, or like, oh, like, I'm a good person, or like, these are my qualities, but then not actually showing those qualities.
That's a huge red flag.
I also forgot my other two.
Okay, hold on.
I remembered mine.
If they don't like animals, I'm a very big animal person.
And also, if they don't have a good relationship with their family.
Yeah, okay.
So, yeah, mine was building off the family, and I'm going to make it more specific.
If they're mean to their mom, I think that is a huge red flag.
Like, so huge.
And I've seen that in like eyes, and it's just like because I think what it comes down to is a lack of respect for women.
And if you can't be nice to your mom, like, you don't have to be a mama's boy, and I honestly don't like mama's boys.
But if you can't respect your mom, that's a red flag.
I can't remember last one.
Probably, like, first one would be like, like, if they lie, and that, like, kind of encompasses, like, keeping your exes around, like, cheating, all that kind of stuff.
If they aren't Christian, and oh, if they have like a victim complex and they think, like, everything is like an attack on them, and they can't really, like, stand up for themselves.
Based?
Pretty much the same.
Someone who, well, my husband, who loved animals and respect them, someone who doesn't have a weak personality, and someone who doesn't get along with their parents or doesn't treat them with respect.
Wait, did we hear from Terry?
Yeah, you went first.
Okay.
Yeah, and then we went around the table.
Yeah.
Well, I think it goes without saying she has to be a Christian, so I'll just take that off the table.
If I'm seeing them, like, I've already figured that out.
First red flag is probably they have to have high emotional intelligence.
And how I define emotional intelligence is, I don't know if it's a conventional definition, but it's someone who can regulate their emotions.
Like, given an external stimulus, can they like suppress their own reaction to how they're feeling and internalize that, think about it, and then respond to it?
That's extremely important to me.
Whenever I get, if I'm in an argument with my significant other, I want to be able to have a discussion, an adult conversation.
I might say something that could be hurtful.
I'm going to try not to, but I'll probably say something that is blocked and you're not going to want to hear.
Killer of cereal donated $100.
Pick six feet one inch tall, fit $180k a year, 10 inches P, virgin but has a negative world outlook and nasty attitude, or 5 feet 2 inches tall, fat, 25k a year, 4 inches P, high body counts, but who's his confidence and swagger.
Ladies, single.
Wait, hold on, start here.
I would think single because why the first guy's rude and the second guy's what?
So, okay, 6'1, fit 100k, 180k a year, 10-inch peen.
That's a bit excessive, my dude.
Wait, he's a virgin, but has a negative world outlook, nasty attitude, or 5'2.
Or a guy who's 5'2, fat, 25k a year, 4-inch peen, high body count.
What, bro?
What?
Oozes confidence and swagger.
Which do you pick?
Single.
Wait, single?
Like you just, yeah, you gotta pick one.
Probably the asshole guy, honestly.
One or two.
Guys, into the mics, please, if you can't.
One.
If I had to choose.
If I had to choose.
One?
Just ignore him.
Okay.
He has a nasty attitude.
One.
I guess one.
One.
No one.
I'm going one.
Why does that even matter, though?
Why does the pee-pee always have to be mentioned?
Guys, there's other attributes you guys have besides that.
Jeez.
Maybe funny.
Did you want to wrap up?
Oh, yeah, I'll wrap up.
So high emotional intelligence.
She, oh yeah, she can't have any male friends.
I mean, she can have men in her life, but I don't want her trying to develop relationships with other guys.
That's a huge no-no to me.
I've been burned way too many times in the past by that.
Yeah.
That's not okay.
Is that applicable to you too?
So like you wouldn't have any friends.
I have no female friends.
Like I have women in my life that I know, but I don't ever like develop relationships with women in my life unless I'm interested in them romantically.
Do you think it's true that men and women can't be friends?
I don't think they can be friends.
I agree.
I think they're biologically created to have something magical happen between them.
And they were created that way.
And I think it's extremely special.
And for us to pretend like that doesn't exist, I think it's kind of like it's ignoring a whole lot of science.
I have a best friend that passed away from an alive in we never had that connection.
What's our friend?
Yeah, so I feel like childhood maybe is different or like all my friends are both.
I mean childhood's extremely different because like you don't have those hormones going on.
I mean we could have that discussion but I want to keep going if Brian wants to talk about something else.
Maybe we go around the table their thoughts on can men and women be friends starting with you.
I think it's possible.
Okay.
They can with certain distance like scoot into the table.
They can with a certain distance.
Yeah.
No.
I think yes, you just need to establish boundaries and be loyal and trusting.
Yes, with boundaries.
Yes.
Oh, yes.
Yeah, okay.
I mean.
One follow-up actually.
What about people who remain friends with exes?
What about that?
I don't like it.
I mean, it might work, but I don't like it.
No.
Hell, no, babe.
It sounds like a recipe for disaster, but I don't know.
Maybe it could work out.
No.
Yeah, no, it's weird.
Oh, no.
They're keeping them for a reason.
No.
I think you can be on good terms and have an advantage.
Like to maintain contact.
Maintain frequent contact, friendship.
That's.
Sure, that's not that.
If there's not a child involved, then it's like, well, it's a little sus.
You wanted to add some.
No, yeah.
I wanted to, like, I don't think, and this is typically like, I'll get this response from women.
They'll say, yeah, of course, men and women can be friends.
Like, given a certain circumstance, I don't think you understand like the desperation that a lot of guys, especially a lot of young guys, have.
Like, they will put up the craziest act.
They will tell you exactly what you want to hear just so that they can keep you in their life so that when you slip up that one time, they are there to squeeze in the crack.
They are waiting for your boyfriend to piss you off.
They're waiting for that male guy, that guy in your life that you've been talking to, to do the one wrong thing, and then just wait for you to make a mistake, or wait until you're too drunk, and then they will go in for the kill.
And I don't think women...
God damn it.
I don't think women understand how crazy men can get.
Because we have some really powerful hormones going through us.
Like when we see an attractive woman, it's like it is a battle to try to keep myself from one, thinking about things I shouldn't be thinking about, but two, like acting upon this list.
I mean lusting.
Yes, exactly.
Like lusting.
Can I say something?
Yeah, go for it.
I have a question because like, if you could tell by the way I look, I was raised with brothers, so I naturally gravitate towards a lot of guys.
And I don't mean that in like every single guy friend is single.
No, they all have girlfriends, and I'll never hang out with them by myself.
None of them come into my house.
It's always them and their girlfriend because I've known them since I was a kid.
And I grew up around parents who had male and female friends.
So when I look at it, it's a culture.
Like Hispanic people, I don't know if you know that they're all cool with everybody.
Very, like, really nice.
Of course, boundaries.
If a guy told me, Taylor, that guy likes you, I'd probably drop him.
I would, because I don't want any problems, but I feel like that doesn't mean that women don't know how to separate the two.
And some women won't get rid of their guy friend if the man knows more.
I'll do that if he says something's right, you know, wrong.
Excuse me.
I think that's awesome.
I also think, like, okay, so say I'm a single dude and I'm friends with a couple.
Like, I have one of my best friends in the world is from Tennessee.
I knew him when he was single, and I knew him when he met his now wife.
Like, I hung out with them all the time, and I got to know his now wife really well.
But yeah, so it was in the context of them two being there.
I have never texted her by myself.
I've never held a conversation, just her and I.
It's usually he's always there.
Maybe he had to go to the bathroom, and I'm like, oh, what are your hobbies?
Whatever.
I don't know.
But like, yeah, I guess there are extreme, there are boundaries that I have for myself.
I'm not going to push those boundaries with a woman.
And I would expect a woman to do the same for me.
Well, you also expect your partner to respect you and you trust him, and you know he's not going to be filtering with anybody.
Well, kind of going on on trust, like I don't think that having ultimate trust in your partner is important in a relationship.
I think trust is important, but as a foundation for a relationship, I don't think trust should be held as high as it is.
Like, you should just trust me that I'm not going to hurt you in that way.
Because trust is so easily broken.
All it just takes one mistake.
I agree.
So I don't think trust is as important as people make it.
I think, I mean, it's important.
It's important in a relationship.
I should be able to trust you.
But above trust in priority is I need information.
Like, let me see who you're talking to.
Hey, I want to know, like, are you texting anybody?
Can I go through your phone?
Like, if I'm in a relationship with somebody, I want to be able to ask that question.
And I want them to be able to ask that question of me.
Hey, Mason, can I have your phone?
Of course, here you go.
Like, information is more important than trust.
I have a question.
So, earlier you were saying you're only attracted to 5% of women.
So, like, when you walk into a room and you're like, no.
When you walk into a room and, like, are you automatically judging and like discounting all these other women just based off the way that they look?
Like, as in, like, seeing them, like, you will not pursue a personal relationship with them because you think you can't be friends with them.
I mean, if you want to put it in that language, yeah, I guess I could get on board with that statement.
I mean, I'm not saying like you value, like, your value as a human being is less.
Yeah, right.
Yeah, yeah.
Like, if we're just talking about like romantic partners, yeah, if I walk into a room, I'm probably going to find 5% of them attractive, and I'm probably not going to pursue a relationship with the rest of them because I'm not interested in them romantically.
I'm not going to entertain that kind of relationship.
Because I don't want to lead them on because I'm not, I mean, this is going to sound kind of egotistical, but I'm not blind to the fact that I'm somewhat attractive.
So I don't want to lead other girls on, making them think that, hey, I got a shot with Mason.
Yeah.
And like, it's mean to them.
It's rude.
It's just uncaring.
It's selfish.
Because I could talk to a bunch of different girls and get all this attention.
And I'm not that kind of guy.
And that's just all on the basis that you don't think like men and women can be friends.
Correct.
Killer of cereal donated $100.
I wanted to apologize to Jigakud Virgin for cutting him off.
I did not time that right.
If you became great friends with one of your ex's friends, but the breakup was bad, how would you feel about it?
Okay, wait.
If you became great friends with one of your ex's friends, but the breakup was bad, how would you feel about it?
Ooh, I mean, I would probably still maintain the friendship.
Like, that's if the ex's friend was a dude.
Like, I probably would maintain that relationship.
I mean, if he's a cool guy and he's not like, it's not awkward.
I'm not going to be talking to his ex.
Yeah, I would totally maintain that relationship.
Wait, is the ex is the friend of male or female?
I think the friend is male.
I want to assume the ex's friend.
My ex's friend is male.
And I say, like, he didn't specify.
I don't know if it's a matter of time.
What if it's like a brother?
a brother like I feel like that would make more sense because it seems like sure yeah It'd be fun.
Steal the brother away.
Heck yeah, dude.
You got another brother.
That's my brother now.
Yeah, exactly.
What's that from that?
We mentioned it last show.
The movie with Tom Hanks, where it's like, this is, I'm the captain now.
Oh, Captain Phillips.
Captain Phillips.
What does he say?
I'm the captain now.
I don't know.
That's what he says.
It's my brother now.
Okay, I don't know.
Actually, one thing that crossed my mind on the staying friends with the ex or whatever, or can men and women be friends?
Maybe this is sort of a differential when it comes to the two genders and why men maybe care more than women do about if she has male friends.
So women will friend zone men, but it's pretty rare for like dudes to be friend zoning chicks.
It happens, but it's much more like a common occurrence for women to like friend zone dudes.
So dudes who initially had a romantic interest, but you're as the woman, you're pumping the brakes.
No, no, no.
We can be friends though.
And sometimes actual friendships develop from that.
That's, I think, perhaps an angle of why this might be a bigger deal for men than it is for women.
Because as I said, men are really not like rejecting women on that level.
Typically, there's a couple reasons, but women are not, women are typically not taking the initiative to like push on men like that, showing their interest like that.
Do you guys think that all men that are friends with women are just like using them or like they just all get friend zoned?
Or do you actually believe there's some men who actually value women as a friend?
Because that makes me wonder if I have guy friends, a guy's looking at that like she friends on him.
I've been single with my guy friends for years and they're now in relationships and nothing's ever happened.
I don't know.
And I don't find myself that attractive to where every guy wants me.
I don't think like that.
I think you have to be attractive for that type of stuff.
I think it's possible.
I think it's easier for women to be friends with men than the reverse.
I think men are much more likely to have ulterior motives when it comes to like male-female friendship.
One of my issues with the friendship is when you inevitably find yourself in a relationship, there's a decent chance.
Look, some partners don't care, but if your partner asserts their boundary, that of I don't want you to be hanging out with friends of the opposite sex, that's going to be the end of that friendship if they're going to ultimately choose this romantic relationship over you.
And just the reality is, like, most people are going to probably, you know, if they care about that person enough, are going to prioritize their romantic relationship over their platonic relationship.
And certainly in the case of marriage, I do think there is some degree of shit, what's the word?
I'm blanking on it right now, but fuck, what's It doesn't look good like in a marriage context if you're like hanging out with a male friend.
I don't know.
I'm blanking on the word.
But the optics that's not exactly what I'm looking for, but yeah, basically.
So, yeah.
I think it's interesting what you're saying because like that whole reason of like entertaining other people or like other like friends per se is like the reason why my last relationship ended twice.
Like the first time like he was still talking to this girl that he had met on Bumble and like I like the whole relationship like was always wary of this girl.
And then like basically I went through his phone and like found some stuff.
Newts.
And yeah, yeah.
And so then the relationship ended after that.
Went no contact, started talking on, started dating again.
Same thing happened with another girl.
And I like knew exactly who this girl was.
It was like this girl he used to like hook up with, I guess.
And yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, because also you have to think about it.
Like if you're pursuing, let's say you genuinely are pursuing a friendship with someone of the opposite sex.
Like that is a sort of could be a transitory or volatile friendship because if they get into a relationship with somebody who has this boundary of, I don't want you talking to this person, I don't want you to be friends with this person.
Poof, there goes your friendship.
So it's almost kind of like, well, what's the point of getting into this friendship if whenever this person ends up in a romantic relationship, our friendship is at risk of getting cut because of the expectations of their potential future partner.
Yeah.
And so, I mean, especially with, you know, in marriage, if you're going to be.
I mean, especially if you're attracted to a man's man.
Like, traditional men are generally speaking extremely territorial, and they're not going to want another guy stepping on their woman.
So, like, step in.
Step into.
Step in.
Step into.
Step in.
Not stepping on.
Step into.
Step into.
Yeah.
Okay.
But yeah, I think that's like, if that's what you're into, that's probably something like a practice you should adopt because you will attract more of those masculine guys if you have that boundary.
I mean, it could be difficult, especially initially instituting that boundary, but it will probably give you a lot of really good success down the road.
I got some red flags here for me.
I want you guys to weigh in.
If you hear anything you object to, I need to weigh in.
All right.
I got a bunch here.
Oh, God.
I'm going to get the pit bull owner.
Red flag.
Absolutely.
I'm a pit bull.
Hell no.
Pit bull owner, red flag.
I love dogs.
What about cats?
Well, and also, okay, I love dogs.
Big dog fan.
Moving off from the pit bull thing, though, I do think, I don't know if it's a red flag, but it like adds a level of complication to our relationship, which I guess would be a red flag.
No, well, that's a different thing.
Is I've probably pissed off all the pit bull owners here.
I do think if she owns a dog, it complicates the, I love dogs.
Love dogs.
It complicates the fucking relationship.
I can't tell you how many, how many, like, bro, they want to bring their dog with them.
And it just, like, get, again, I love dogs.
But I want to, okay.
Clarifying that.
Yes.
It's kind of similar to women who are single moms a little bit.
Not as painful.
I knew you were about to say that.
Not to the degree.
Look, hear me out.
They're busier.
They have less free time.
They're more likely to flake and cancel on plans.
And I've attempted a couple times to like, okay, let's see how this goes with single moms.
Maybe this is anecdotal.
Every single time I've like tried to coordinate a first date with a single mom.
This is, it's only, I tend to avoid it.
No offense to single moms out there.
Every time, bro, an hour before the date, they flake.
It's like that's an issue for me because punctuality, sticking to plans, commitments, very important.
And I get it.
Your kid comes first 100%.
Doesn't mean I have to deal with it, though.
And like, she's got to bring it, but bringing it back to the dogs, she's got to bring the dog everywhere.
Why pitbull specifically?
No, well, that's different.
I just kind of have like a, I'm kind of.
You're racist towards pit bulls.
Yeah, I'm racist towards racist towards pit bulls.
But then there's like a preference for no dogs.
There's a general, there's a dogs.
Fucking love dogs.
But to date, it presents extra complications to dating you, especially if you got to bring the dog with you.
And then like, what if we want to get frisky and fucking Fido's in the corner, jumps up on the bed one time out of Chihuahua, like fucking try to get it at me, bro, while we were having the dog came into the room.
I feel like the dog is way, way.
I mean, obviously, he's so different, you know, way easier than a kid, but I mean, like, you can always leave the dog at home for like the whole they never leave the dog at home.
I understand what you're saying.
Even if they do, like, the plans are still like centric to like the dog.
Like, you can only leave the dog alone for like, what, four or five hours?
Like, even then, they're like, oh, I can't.
And then if they don't have housemates, then they got to pay for a thing, a sitter, whatever.
And again, I love dogs, but like, it complicates.
It's more complicated than just dating a woman who doesn't have a dog.
Yeah, I'm more likely to do that.
So, also, no offense.
No offense.
I do think, and we see this with children too.
I think men, when it comes to raising children, and I think this extends to pets and dogs, men are disciplinarians.
And I've known if you be training your dogs that much.
Is that sexist to say?
I don't know, bro.
A lot of people, both men and women, don't train their fucking dogs.
They're terrible on the leash.
They're not obedient.
That's why they're not.
And like, I've had too many, like, I'll tell a girl, like, I don't want the dog jumping on furniture and jumping on a bed, which is, in my view, if you want to be a responsible dog owner, you train from a very early on.
Yes.
Your dog shouldn't be jumping on furniture.
Training.
If your dog doesn't listen to your commands, that's not a trained dog.
And so they'll come over and the dog is fucking feral.
Wild, dude.
But that's not a problem.
Like jumping on the bed, doesn't listen.
I don't want that.
Yeah, well.
I don't want that.
Everybody should be allowed to own dogs.
So their dogs misbehave, urinate.
I don't want your, I got to clean up after urinates inside.
It's not even potty trained.
Jumping on you, barking, whining, jumping on furniture.
Peeing, pooping.
The woman?
Destructively.
Yes, that was a good one.
No, that was a good one.
Actually, we had this funny.
I didn't share this anecdote when it happened, but Nick was there.
I think Gustavo, were you there?
We had this woman who we had her scheduled on the show, and she brought what she claimed was a service animal.
Typically, service animals are well-behaved and well-trained.
And she tried to like, Madison dealt with it, but she was trying to make this whole like, I thought she was going to sue us or some shit because we're like, yo, we got expensive camera equipment in here.
We can't, we got like we can't accommodate, we can't accommodate your service.
I don't think it was a service animal.
Well, the main thing was the dog was barking.
Yeah, they didn't do that.
Barking.
They're not supposed to do that.
Not supposed to do that.
And I'm like, well, we're running a podcast.
It's not a reasonable accommodation if we're trying to get good audio to have your dog barking in the background.
And he was barking.
Anyways, so, you know, it's just, again, love dogs.
It just complicates things.
Too many times.
It's like, well, can I bring my dog with me?
Oh, I don't know if I can come over because I got to take care of my dog.
I thought you were going to say the woman ended up peeing on the ground.
I'm not into that.
I'm not going to kink shame, though, if that's what some people are into.
That thing.
Okay.
More red flags here.
Hold on.
Oh, bell bottoms.
Major red flag.
100%.
I agree.
Wait, what's up?
Bell bottom jeans?
Bell bottoms, yeah.
If they were bell bottoms, I wear them.
Yeah, do you like skinny jeans instead, or what's your best?
Just a red flag.
I don't know how.
Oh, I see.
I can't even explain that shit.
Oh, she looks at her phone first date.
That's I'll maybe say something.
I'll give her a little leeway.
I'll be like, oh, it's something important.
You just have to check something real quick.
You got it.
But if she's like, if she's on Snapchat, I'm just leaving.
I'll just get her.
It's super rude.
Super rude.
I had that.
I had that.
And I was like.
Did you pay for the date?
No.
Okay, I wouldn't have even.
Because she did that.
Because she did that, I'm like.
Not happening.
Okay.
All right.
Let's see what else.
Oh, acro yoga.
Such a fucking red flag, bro.
Oh, yeah.
What?
Acro yoga?
Have you seen the drinks?
I've seen the dudes.
Bro, you know why the dudes are doing it?
You know why.
And like a guy.
It's like a yoga.
The guy's laying down.
It's kind of like a male-female cheerleader dynamic.
So it's like, yeah, they're doing these weird poses where she'll put her hands on his hips and like he'll roll her.
Yeah, that's too much.
It's extremely physical.
And you know, you really know why he's doing it.
What about judo?
Because then you get physical.
That's a fair point, actually.
Like MMM.
Men don't like jiu-jitsu.
I actually, so I practiced jiu-jitsu and I will not roll with a chick.
Oh, just because it really hurt them, too.
Yeah.
Well, I mean, for me, it's a little different.
I'm not a 20-pound man.
And there aren't too many 220-pound women who can take me.
I'm not going to fight you.
Yeah, no.
Let's see what else.
Oh, she posts more than three Instagram stories a day.
I don't even use them.
Any girls here?
Millennial.
Red flag.
Sorry, ladies.
She's a van lifer.
She's a what?
She's a van lifer.
304.
304.
If she's a van lifer, that's.
What does that mean?
304.
Oh.
Area code for sure.
Sure, yeah, for sure.
Right, Chad?
Yo, Chad, is it a red flag if she's one of the van lifer people?
I think it's a red flag.
Here's why.
She's like, because if you see a girl on a dating app who's a van lifer, she's like traveling, excuse me, she's traveling around.
I've matched with like van life chicks, and they're like hooking up with dudes to use their shower.
Like it's, it's weird.
Oh, geez.
It's not weird, but I'm like thinking, like, bro, she hooks up with a bunch of dudes to like have a place to a normal place to crash for a fucking night, shower, whatever.
You can go to Planet Fitness or a gym.
You could, no, that's what I'm doing.
That would do.
That's what you, but I do.
I'll see these for a shower.
I'll see the Van Lifers on dating apps.
They're in town for two weeks.
I'm like, they must be running through.
Yeah.
Running through.
Let's see what else.
Career hairstylist.
Works in HR.
Flight attendant, travel nurse.
I'm a hater.
Any career where there's a lot of frequent traffic.
How about injure engineer?
That's fine.
That's what I'm green flag.
That's fine.
Yeah.
Engineer's good.
Green flag.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Any pushback from anybody?
I've just pissed off like half the population.
Wait, I'm still confused about the pit bull one.
About the what?
The pit bull one.
The pit bull one?
Yeah.
Oh, well.
It's like they want to be victims.
Like, it's like they're not.
I understand.
They're like.
Nobody advocates for any other dog breed to this fucking insane extent besides pit bulls.
Maybe chihuahuas, but not even victim complex.
It's like this weird.
I don't know.
It's like this performative virtue signal.
They like baby them a lot too.
Look, the reality is the vast majority of injuries caused by dogs, the breed is the pit bull.
Vast majority of deaths caused by dogs.
Pit bulls.
I don't.
That's probably also just because they're really strong dogs and they have a history of being raised really badly.
Yes, they do.
Mostly all battles.
Even if they're trained, they could still attack someone.
So good dog.
Any dog can do it.
Yeah, any dog can do it.
And like the thing is, bad trainers, whatever.
Their bite is so strong.
We'll get it.
You know that they're not really that have that many PSI on their back.
I think they're 15 or something.
Well, they're just strong.
They're definitely not.
They are strong.
And they don't let go.
They are.
And they can, yeah, and they can make damage, of course.
But they're not as strong as other breeds.
They just have a bad rep. I agree.
Because, I mean, you think German Shepherds are also really aggressive?
I mean, they have to be strong to be used as police dogs, you know?
But they just haven't been trained well.
And I think they're just recruited.
The difference is, though, like when it comes to this specific dog breed, we're still getting off of TV.
Is that a Chihuahua that is poorly trained?
If you get bit by a Chihuahua, I can fuck up any Chihuahua.
Yeah, I'm 50-50 on the pit bull.
I don't know how that's going to end up going.
If they get to my neck, who knows?
It's different.
Anyways, other, anything?
Flight attendant?
Red flag?
Travel nurse, red flag, hit that.
Let's do a couple chats here.
Let's see.
Unit 285.
Wait, Leon?
Who was it, Nick?
Oh, Nickelodeon, was it?
We'll get to it.
Leon in the chat.
No, I don't know.
Okay.
Unit 285.
Good evening, Brian and panel.
How do tattoos and piercings fit within your concept of natural body supremacy?
Personally, I find the vast majority of tattoos and piercings on women off-putting thoughts.
I'm going to ask why.
I want to ask why.
Guys always run through it.
No, no, to you though, too.
You guys are both men, so I want to hear your perspective.
They say it's like ran through, but how does that correlate with?
I can understand like trauma, things like that, but ran through, I never understand it.
Wait, right?
You guys are both like different men, so I want to hear your perspective.
It's funny because when I met my mother.
Oh, my God.
Hold on.
We'll come back to that chat.
We'll come back to the tattoo thing.
Yo, stay safe.
Thank you very much for the big raid on Twitch, dude.
Hope you had a really good stream.
Hold on, let me give you a shout out there.
Nick, I'm going to need you to lower the volume just a little bit because.
All right, ladies.
So stay safe.
He was playing World of Warcraft classic.
He's really excited for Season of Discovery Phase 3, right?
Are you guys stoked for the Sunken Temple raid?
I don't know what that is.
You're not stoked for ST, Sunken Temple?
I'm excited for that.
They're excited, I guess.
Are you stoked for Sunken Temple?
So stoked for ST. Yeah, I'm hyped.
It sounds cool.
Jumping for joy.
Now, question, ladies.
When it comes to Warlock, if you're playing Alliance, right?
Human or hold on.
Human or Gnome for Warlock.
Which do you pick?
To play as a Warlock or to be a Warlock?
That's a very good question.
Both.
Maybe to play as a Warlock, be a human, and then to beat a Warlock, not a human?
Could be opposite there, I don't know.
Okay.
Turphies.
So, for the first time.
I want to be a human.
That stay safe team.
I just did a shout out over on Twitch.
Oh, really quick.
We'll come back to the question.
Guys, if you're new here, stay safe.
Thank you for the raid.
Guys, drop us a follow on Twitch if you can, please.
Drop us a follow on Twitch.
We're trying to grow our audience over there on Twitch.
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That'd be much appreciated.
Yo, thank you for all the follows, guys.
Really appreciate it.
Majin Millie.
Good name, dude.
Thank you for the follow.
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And stay safe once again.
Thank you for the raid, man.
Really appreciate it.
Human or no more lock?
For classic, of course.
Human based.
I fuck with gnomes.
You fuck with gnomes?
But, so was it human, warlock, or gnome?
Human, warlock, or no more lock?
Like, you got.
Okay.
Oh, you see, did not say no.
Lower the volume a little bit.
No, I didn't.
No.
No.
I'm so excited.
No more lock or human warlock.
So check it out, right?
Gnome.
You got to think about the racials, right?
The racials.
So like human, you know, they've got the spirit buff, which isn't really great.
They've PvP decent with the perception for stealth, but like reputation gain is huge.
And then the sword mace spec thing, not really important for a warlock.
There's no, I don't really think there's such a thing as a melee warlock, you know?
Even in Sod, you know?
Right.
But Gnome, they get the engineering, or wait, yeah, they get the engineering boost, and then they get the int.
They get the buff to int, which is like, you know, you're going to get more mana.
And then like critical.
I really like more mana.
So I think I'm going to go with warlock.
Yeah, that's my.
No, wait, what?
Okay, there's human warlock and no more lock.
Oh, okay, no more lock.
Okay, what about you?
Okay, human.
warlock, of course.
Wait, I'm sorry.
Are we the warlock or are we fighting that warlock?
No.
That's a deep, bro.
So we're picking our characters.
Okay, maybe gnome, actually.
Yeah, because then you have like more mystical powers and stuff.
You just brought up November out of nowhere.
Would you date a guy?
Would you date a guy who's got a level 60 gnome warlock with Atiesh?
No.
I don't know.
Atiash.
I don't even know what that is.
Like, bro, you got to go into Naxx and get 40 of the shards.
Shards of, was it Shards of Vanity Ash?
I forgot what.
Splinters of Atiash, excuse me.
Like he's, you know.
If they had some other things going for them, sure.
Like, only typically, like, you know, depending on the timeline for the phases and stuff in World of Warcraft, like, maybe one, one or two people in a guild are gonna get Atiash.
So he's got Atiash.
Would you date him?
They're spending more time with the game than me.
But would you date him?
Like, would it be a plus if the guy had Atiash?
I don't think so.
Okay, here, let me do a let me do a comparison or contrast.
Okay, the guy makes 30k a year, but he has Atiash, or the guy doesn't have Atiesh, but he makes 200K a year, and he has a big pee-pee.
I don't.
Oh my god.
Okay, what about you?
I would definitely go with the second choice.
The Atiash guy or the other?
No, no, no, Atiash, whatever.
Atiesh guy?
No, the other guy.
I'm not sure.
I'm still not sure what Atiash is, but.
Atiash?
Like, it's that like, like.
Oh, my God.
Wait, hold on.
It teleports you to.
Sorry, I'm blanking, boys.
I will give any girl at this table $1,000.
$1,000 if you can tell me where Atiash teleports you to.
10?
No, no.
The underworld?
7, 6.
Any different world?
$1,000.
If you can tell me where Atiash teleports you to.
Can we get a hint?
No, we need more content for the forest.
I just said Karazan.
It teleports you.
That's what Atiash does.
It teleports you to Karazah.
And what is the Karazhan?
Don't worry about it.
Temple.
All right.
Okay.
Yeah, I'm going to take that 200K.
Something I can do.
Which guy?
I'll go option one.
That guy with Atiash?
Yeah.
Based.
Scoot the mic closer to one.
I'm going to scoot it closer to you.
I could not even explain it.
It's okay.
What about you, Atiash guy?
Man, I like Call of Duty Immortal Kombat, but yeah, that guy.
What?
Okay.
All right.
Yo, stay safe.
Thanks for the raid, man.
Much appreciated.
Where were we?
What were we?
Oh, the tattoo thing.
We're talking about tattoos.
The question, I'll pull it back up.
So this was for us.
Good evening, Brian and panel.
How do tattoos and piercings fit within your concept of natural body supremacy?
Why don't you start and I'll give my take.
Absolutely.
Yeah.
I am, I definitely prefer no tattoos, no body piercings.
I guess like if she's got a couple tattoos, I want to know why.
Like the off-putting nature of tattoos is like spur-of-the-moment decisions.
So it's like sporadic behavior, but it's also like if you have a ton of tattoos, it could be perceived as like financially she's not financially intelligent.
Or she's like, she will spend her money willy-nilly.
The trashiness aspect.
Financially irresponsible.
You looked at me.
Trashy.
Thank you, Mason.
Sorry, no, you brought it up.
You good, you're good, you're good.
I want to do this.
It's okay, respectfully.
The trashiness aspect.
Cut the cameras right now, Brian.
Yes.
No, so I guess the trashy.
I think, I don't know.
I mean, I guess I do see it as trashy, but it's because the type of person who gets a buttload of tattoos is usually trashy.
I mean, I guess that's just kind of a stereotype.
But like, the more like the trashier woman I see generally has more tattoos.
But obviously, that's not like a rule.
Or it's not like everybody who has a lot of tattoos is trashy.
But generally speaking, it's a safe bet.
Do you think I'm trashy looking at me right now?
Just tell me.
I feel like this is a trap.
No, no, just say it.
Just say it.
No, I don't think you.
Yeah.
Uh-oh.
Uh-oh.
Am I trashy?
Wait, take, let's see.
Show mama.
Show mama.
Show the tats.
Let's see it.
I didn't even know she was tat.
I want to see this.
She went from okay, so well, now the thing is, is like okay, so that's not a ton of tattoos.
How about the what is that?
The eye.
What's that?
I don't know.
I like that.
Is that like a Freemason tattoo?
Yeah, but she looks so pretty, though, and like, delicate.
Like, I don't know how to explain the human being.
That's not a trashy amount of tattoos.
What about me?
Do you think I'm gonna be?
Am I trashy then?
God damn, they're going.
Oh, I just want to make it.
No, I know.
I have a pin on me and all that.
God damn.
I don't know.
I mean, like, you say trashy, so I'm like, trashy means like I'm like a 304.
I'm out here.
Hey, you want to like, look, I make six figures.
Oh, gosh.
I'm trashy.
Wait, I knew this was a trap.
I don't expect that response.
I don't think you're afraid.
You're in an eight-year marriage.
Like, I don't think you're trashy.
Yeah, see, you have a couple tattoos.
I've got a lot of ones, though.
Yeah.
I'm talking about, like, I have no face tattoo.
You just can't see it.
I'm like, all tatted everywhere.
Wait, where's the face tattoo?
It's under the mail.
My whole Harley Quinn sleeve.
Yeah.
I don't have bad tattoo.
It's all Harley Quinn.
I have my brown colour right here.
This is just a pose.
Also, I want to mention that more than half of my tattoos, my best friend also had.
And like I mentioned earlier in the show, she unalived herself and I found her body.
Oh my god, bro.
So sorry.
I am very out of pocket.
I'm so sorry.
Anyways, should we talk about the Holocaust squat rattle?
No.
Should we talk about negative topics?
Anybody?
Should we?
I'm sorry.
But like I was saying, I did share a lot of the tattoos with her.
They were pretty sentimental.
Should we talk about the Ukraine war?
Damn.
Should we?
What's another morose?
Palestine Israel.
Oh, boy.
I think you just mean Israel.
Just Israel.
You asked for her suggestion.
But I just want to go back to that.
A lot of them are sentimental to me.
Mine's too.
Trust me, and then don't care about that.
They look nice.
That's true.
It could be you and your father that passed away.
But hey, you're right in a point that you made.
My first tattoo was impulsive, and I regret it.
And I have to use Laser to remove it.
And it was the most painful thing I've done.
So I'll answer.
I'll answer the question.
Yeah, 9-11.
Should we talk about 9-11?
Oh, boy.
What do you want to talk about?
You want to talk about some darkness?
By the way.
I apologize.
So while tattoos are not a deal-breaker, I would say I prefer few or no tattoos.
I think it's a scale, right?
What about piercings?
Yeah.
Piercings?
Piercings are not as bad as tattoos.
As bad.
Do you think they look trashy?
What about covering the shoes?
Like, no offense.
I'm not a fan of the Stern.
Septim, excuse me.
Speaking of Sternum, I'm not a fan of Sternum tattoos.
I'm not a fan of the Septum tattoo.
Piercing?
Piercing.
I'm like piercing.
Oh, my God.
Sorry, guys.
I'm mixed up.
I'm a little out of it tonight.
Yeah.
Piercings.
Definitely, it's a bit of eyebrow raise if they have nipple piercings.
I'm like.
But you wouldn't be able to realize that until you see the person.
Oh, yeah.
Probably.
Yeah, I'm thinking.
Yeah.
I don't know.
A lot of those girls with small boobs would look good with nipple piercings.
Wait, what?
Because you were saying, like, you didn't like fake boobs.
So I feel like a lot of girls that have smaller boobs look really good with nipple piercings.
I'm just saying.
Yeah, because their boobs are smaller.
Yeah, so I just kind of like it.
I don't even understand the logic.
I don't get the logic.
Girls with smaller boobs would look better with nipple piercings than bigger boobs because their boobs are smaller.
And it's just like they look good on all boobs.
This is fake boob racism.
That's like, well, you know, he's got a small dick, so it would look better with a piece of boys.
I think this should make sense to me and my friends.
Or whatever it's called.
Yeah.
Maybe it's more specific to me and my friends.
But are you trying to say that you should have nipple piercings?
No, but I've like considered it.
I mean, but it's kind of like, I feel like you think it's like for guys, and I don't like, I think it's like girls do it because no one can see it, and it kind of feels like powerful.
I mean, I don't think that's painful.
I don't think when it comes to piercings, I it's just like something that you choose to do.
I don't think I would make the argument that women get piercings for men.
I would make that argument for plastic surgery and makeup.
Now, you might want to debate me on that, but tattoos and piercings.
I don't know.
I don't think that's a good thing.
So, if I like a man, I wouldn't wear makeup.
Like, if I'm going on a date, I wouldn't wear this much makeup.
I would be as light as possible because I know men don't like makeup.
But with the tattoo things, I think it's scale.
If they have like a little small heart tattoo or something, it's not a deal breaker, but my ultimate preference, like my maximum, most optimum preference, would be no tattoos.
If she has a heart tattoo on her wrist, that's never going to be a deal-breaker.
Yeah, no.
Would it be my preference she didn't have it?
Sure, but I don't, I wouldn't really care.
Um, in the same way that a girl might like a guy who's 6'3 over 6'2.
Like, does that difference have like a massive impact?
Probably not, but it could be like just edge out slightly on the preference scale.
Um, I do think that tattoos and body mods can be correlated with and precipitated by trauma, yes, familial issues, personality disorders, not always, but it can be.
So, it could be a sign of some of those other things.
And I, again, when it comes to optimum dating, I would prefer to optimize my dating in that regard.
And I tend to try to avoid those things.
So, I'm not saying that's not all right.
I'm not saying all people with tattoos or body mods are bad people, not at all.
But just in terms of making the most optimal dating decisions, I do think we can infer things about people based on how they look and choices they've made.
Does this go for men and women, or are you just talking about women?
Because I know a lot of men with tattoos have hell of trauma.
Sure, yeah, yeah.
Blue donated $100.
Engineer guy, have you talked to any special forces officers about commissioning?
There are also awesome opportunities for engineers in the Air Force, like flight test engineering, test pilots, etc.
Quick answer to this?
Yeah, I've looked into a lot of those things.
I'm actually currently Air National Guard, so I do understand there are a lot of different engineering avenues.
And I thought about the going, I thought about going the officer route, but the special forces route just kind of like speaks to me.
Oh, Biggs' boss, who just subbed, he's my boy.
I game with him on the regular.
Oh, shit.
Sweet dude.
Oh, yeah.
Think about it.
What do you play?
What do you play?
I play Call of Duty, Helldivers.
Helldivers.
I love Helldivers right now.
One of my other buddies.
Pretty trendy right now.
But probably most frequently, Call of Duty.
Yeah.
Based.
I don't play any video games anymore.
I play a lot of video games.
That's what we do.
That's our hobby.
Yes.
Wait, speaking of entertainment, has anybody watched, don't ruin, spoil it for me.
Has anybody watched all of three body.
What's it?
I actually did.
Yes, I know.
What is it?
Three-body problem.
Three-body problem.
I'm like episode three, four.
What is it?
It started out good, but it's starting to get no, it's like a cool concept.
Yeah.
Does it get better?
I think so.
Don't ruin it.
Wait, other than Neckflakes.
Yeah, I'll explain the premise.
Time traveling and fixing it.
Don't ruin it.
Don't spoil it.
No, yeah.
I mean, no, just let people watch that shit.
Okay.
I think if you explain the premise, there's it like a sci-fi movie.
Sci-fi is a show.
It's like dark.
You know, that show dark with time traveling and quantum physics and all this stuff.
Speaking my language.
Back to the tattoo thing.
Your question was: is it the same for men?
Yeah, because I feel like a lot of people like to say things about women, but a lot of men as well.
Like, if that goes for women, shouldn't it go for men?
A lot of men have trauma too.
I just think men and women weigh it differently, and some people don't heal their trauma and stuff like that.
It's women.
That's a fair point.
And I certainly think just as it, you know, when it comes to getting tattoos or body modifications, it can be correlated or precipitated by trauma, familial issues, personality disorder.
I think that would equally apply to men too.
I don't know if there've been studies on if there's a discrepancy there, but I do think in terms of what men and women find attractive, I do think there's a larger cohort of men who find tattoos unattractive in women.
And there's a, what is it?
And then the reverse, there's a larger cohort of women who find tattoos attractive on men.
Now, I'd be curious if anybody has any thoughts on why that is.
I feel like tattoos make men look more masculine in some cases.
Yes.
So that makes more attractive.
They look dangerous.
Women like a guy.
Right, exactly.
Men look scared at women.
They think we're like masculine.
We're going to dominate you.
Tattoos have nothing to do with masculinity, though.
I don't understand where people are.
I mean, that's kind of the impression I get.
I think it's media.
If I look at a heavily tatted woman, I do tend to think like more masculine about the contrast on the skin.
I don't know.
It's like harsh.
I don't know.
If there's a harshness to it, visually, when you look at certain images, it just looks more aggressive.
I think maybe if there's tattooing on the skin, it makes the person look more aggressive.
I don't know psychologically why that would be the case, but that's my best guess of the answer.
What about scars?
Like scars on the man might be that, yeah.
Yes.
As like some women might be like, whoa, that's kind of hot, attractive.
Is it like it's aggressive?
But it's in many cultures, it's considered back in history that man's with scars have more value because they went through battles and wars.
Yeah.
I would guess they probably come from the same place psychologically.
I don't know.
Killer of cereal donated $100.
Thank you, man.
Video games and dating.
It's speech dating, but you play one round of the hardest Mario cart level.
Whoever loses chooses to get a new opponent or a match.
Rule is you must ask questions the whole time.
What's the question?
Wait, speed dating, but you like play while you're talking, and then if you lose.
If you win, you get to pick a new partner.
It says you lose.
Whoever loses.
Well, I never knew a Mario Kart.
That's cute.
Rainbow Rob.
I think the rule should be: if you're playing Mario Kart with your girl, and if you win, you get to cheat on her.
Wow.
That's too true.
Went from zero to 100.
I don't know.
And if she loses, you also get to chill.
Great, great.
Right, Nick?
Yeah.
All right, we have Nickelodeon here.
Big red flag.
If they say like more than three times in one sentence, that's like half of the female population who's not going to be able to do that.
Yeah, I think that's just the human species will cease to exist if we don't procreate with women who say like.
Absolutely.
It's just done.
It's done for.
I feel like that also just goes away with age.
He's like, right?
Dude, I think so.
I'm like from here, so like, that's like my dialect.
Like, maybe when I'm older, I'm like, what's the name of the world?
All right, we have Rito here.
Hey, thank you, man.
Rito, really appreciate it.
Long-distance girlfriend is not interested in seeing each other or moving together.
I proposed and she said yes about six months ago.
I feel she's not interested in moving forward 2.3 years.
Should I end the relationship?
My dear friend, I think your first mistake, your first mistake was getting into a long-distance relationship.
True to her before.
If you have ever lived together, I don't think you should, at least for a little bit, I don't think you should propose to me.
I mean, I'm no one to say about fast relationships because we got married pretty fast, but absolutely long relationships are a no-go.
Long distance relationships.
Yeah, long-distance relationships.
I mean, there's not enough information here, Rito, but did it start off long distance?
How did you guys initially meet?
I typically tend to think and advise that, well, long-distance relationships are ill-advised.
Especially if you're young and it's like one of these, you dated in high school, then you both go off to different colleges.
I mean, almost always that's just never ends.
It doesn't end well.
It's just a recipe for disaster.
But you did propose.
She said yes six months ago.
You feel she's not interested.
Wait, not interested in seeing each other.
Wait, hold on.
Have you never met this woman in person?
Because I'll pull it up again.
He says, not interested in seeing each other.
Have you never met this woman?
Rito.
Burrito.
Sounds like she wants to.
Get me a Dorito.
If you've never met this woman in person, just make sure it's not a male.
Yeah.
Go lock the destroyer.
Don't send her money.
You know what I mean?
I mean, got to verify.
Yeah.
People will make time for what's important to them regardless of what's going on in their life.
Absolutely.
If I'm in love with a woman, I will move heaven and earth to make sure I give her the time of day.
And a woman will do the same thing for a man she loves.
So we have to do that.
It's hard to.
That's extremely difficult, man, but it's kind of time to accept the reality.
Don't send her money.
Yeah, don't send her your money.
No, no, no.
Nigerian principles.
Canadian 100.
Men doing martial arts should train with women.
If women need to fight, it'll likely be with somebody bigger.
Afford them a safe space to train with men and learn technique.
For men, it affords opportunity to train control and temperance.
But I did Bujutsu, not judo.
I've never heard of Bujutsu.
I mean, I agree with that because I do train with men, but in competitions, we don't go against men, is what I'm saying.
Like, I've trained against men that are way bigger than I am.
So I prefer it, though.
instead of women but they do hold back which is like i got kicked really hard in muay thai I got kicked really hard doing Taekwondo.
Yeah, let me get into some of my pre-show notes here.
So we had, let's see, Alexa, yes, I married my husband three months after we met.
Before that, you dated a few guys in LA when you just moved to the country from Venezuela.
Major cultural shock.
So what was the cultural shock when it comes to dating?
From dating in Venezuela to dating in Los Angeles, which is the mecca of degeneracy.
I couldn't get to know anyone in person.
Everybody kept telling me you need to have a dating app.
And that's not how I work in my country.
It feels extremely weird and impersonal trying to meet someone through an app.
That is authentic.
Which is so normal in here.
So it was a little bit of a shock to see how that works in here because it's so normal.
In Venezuela, that's not how it works.
You just go introduce yourself or you kind of like, hey, you want to have a beer?
That was very strange.
You also said there were cultural differences between dating a Latino and dating a white person dating in LA.
So what's the difference between dating a Latino and dating a white boy?
Latin culture is known for there's a lot of machismo, which I'm gonna let me explain that there is negative there's a negative type of being a machista.
I am all about masculinity and the men leading and but then what happened in Latin culture is the men became this person who has completely and is a totally totalitary figure on the marriage or on the families and there is also the constant cheating on the wife and it becomes like a normal thing.
Is that common?
In Latin?
Infinite infidelity.
Yes, it's very common, unfortunately.
Like they have mistresses?
Yes.
Okay.
It's very common and became a normal thing and I always knew I didn't want that for myself.
And you said there's a lot of machismo.
Yes.
And then what was it with the men like being in charge of the relationship?
Yeah, which I'm not again of that.
Against of it.
Actually, you know, my husband is the leader in our house.
What I'm against to is when you say something earlier about co-partners.
Co-part co-partners.
Yes.
And making decisions together.
And at the end of the day, the husband has the last word for it.
That's the final say.
But in a machista marriage, there is no even a talking.
There is no what my wife, what matters for my wife, how she feels about it.
There's none of that.
And I always knew I didn't want that for myself.
Well, he's essentially acting as a single man.
Yes.
And then, yeah, exactly.
So you go outside, you have beers, you cheat on your wife, you come on next day at 6 in the morning drunk.
And I don't think that's good.
That's what a lot of people back in my country, a lot of girls have daddy issues because the father is not present.
Yes.
I have actually a question for the panel here that's going to be sort of related to your thing.
So you're from Venezuela, which still is a socialist country, correct?
Yes.
Anybody here have any socialist, Marxist leanings?
He's looking at me.
Around the table?
Any communists?
I can say why it's bad.
Yeah.
Why are you looking at me?
Well, I start with you, then we go around the table.
No?
No.
So like Full steam ahead, capitalism, love it.
Well, I don't love it, but it's the best system.
I don't know.
You don't have any.
I don't know.
I got maybe I got the wrong impression.
A little bit socialist?
A little bit anti-capitalist?
Just a teeny.
But do you know the definition of them?
Not exactly.
No, I don't know.
Just tell us you're a communist.
It's okay.
You can say it.
This is a safe space.
it's a safe space well i'll say i'll go but I don't know enough about any of the parties to really define myself by one.
I just know what I believe.
Which is what?
I don't know.
Well, you just said you know what?
Are you what she believes as in communist living in the country with the way that it is economically stuff like that?
I feel like it could be better.
It's obviously not perfect.
Yeah.
So any leanings?
She says it could be better, but she probably just doesn't know how.
So it's hard to define what you agree with when you don't really know.
Would you prefer a different system to be in place?
Like what?
What exactly?
Either socialism or communism.
In place of our current system, capitalism.
Like a bigger government or a smaller government?
Would you prefer either socialism or communism in place of the current capitalist system in the United States?
I don't think so.
I think we could just have a better democracy.
Better democracy.
Okay.
What would that look like?
I'm just what does that mean?
A better democracy?
Like maybe so the people could have more sway in how things are done.
Okay.
So like a, is that a direct democracy?
Because don't we have we're a republic or what is it?
Representative.
Constitutional republic.
Okay.
What about you?
Can you repeat the question?
Like full-blown Marxist?
No, okay.
Well, to be like for real.
I don't know.
I kind of like the way that, you know, I do like capitalism because if you think about it, like try to start like a small business, that's not really something that you could do in like a socialist country.
What does that mean?
Okay.
I prefer capitalism.
Me too.
I'm also like an economics and accounting major, so it kind of like goes with that.
But yeah, I'm not sure.
So you know.
So I know.
She knows.
Capitalism.
Same.
Capitalism.
Okay, I was trying to get you a little something there, but unfortunately.
No, it's fine.
I mean, I'm happy to hear that, though, because I had met people in the past here that they hate the United States.
They don't want to be here anymore.
Exactly.
You know, I would love to give them a ticket to my country for a week.
And then they can experience life over there and then come back and tell me how they feel about it.
I think people who hate capitalism and they don't appreciate what they have here is because they have it too easy and they never have a real struggle.
They're too close-minded.
Well, and they're just too comfortable.
They also just don't have any other experience.
Exactly.
So actually, I can speak a little bit to this.
My parents actually live in North Africa right now.
So I lived there for three and a half years.
And it's a third world country.
It's a, oh gosh, what is it?
A constitutional monarchy.
What is Marreko's?
Yeah, Morocco.
Okay.
So I lived there for three and a half years.
And I've seen what dictatorship or monarchy does to a country.
I've seen, like, I've traveled all over the world and I know what these different types of social systems, socioeconomic systems, I know the toll it takes on a country.
And yeah, my parents talk about it all the time.
And people over there talk about it all the time that they would give anything to be able to be in the position that we're in.
Oh, absolutely.
And that's one of the issues.
I do have to move it on from this, but we have Bender the Offender.
Apparently, tattoos originated in 5000 BCE, Japan.
I would guess most Japanese warriors had tattoos, thus, that's why they are viewed as masculine.
We're watching that show Shogun.
It's really good, and they have a bunch of Tetas.
There you go.
It's interesting how it shifted into being something viewed negatively in Japan because they're associated with Yakuza, which are gangs.
And I'm going to Japan hopefully in the summer.
So they actually don't allow some places like foreigners at all.
And some places don't allow tattoos.
I think it is shifting a little bit in Japan.
But it's here in the US, there was that similar stigma.
I don't know when the shift started happening, but maybe back in back before the 90s, maybe.
I think tattoos were viewed a bit like, okay, is this you be maybe a little suspicious of the person?
Are they a criminal?
Whatever.
But I think the stigma is totally, totally gone.
For the most part, gone now.
Yeah.
On that level, anyways.
Some pre-show notes from you.
You said you're part feminist, part traditional.
Did I say that?
I think so.
No, sorry, that was you.
My bad.
Sorry, I'll get to you in a sec.
I said that?
Wait, no.
Yeah, you said you're feminist/slash traditional.
I did.
I think so.
Let me pull up the notes really quick.
Nick, can you pull up our Instagram?
Or I also have my phone here, too.
No, that's okay.
It's all good.
You're fine.
You know, okay, well, you know what?
Maybe that's a little bit accurate.
We're attracting.
But no, no, no, no.
Attraction?
No, I'll like elaborate.
I do, I personally prefer a more traditional relationship, you know, that kind of stuff.
But, you know, as far as how you were saying, you know, leader, man is like the boss.
I grew up where my mom was the stronger voice in the household.
You know what I mean?
She made more money, da-da-da.
And like, that's fine.
You know, I'm okay with like having a future like that, you know, with like my boo, whatever, my husband.
But yeah, like the no, it's hard.
You know, I believe in like a nuclear family and stuff.
But do I think that you know, I definitely growing up saying that, I have a say in how things go.
You know what I mean?
That's basically it.
So we're equals.
We're equals.
You're equals.
Who should pay on the first date?
I prefer if the guy did.
Well, hold on.
That's not equal.
No, no, yeah.
But have you ever paid on the first date?
I have a split.
I actually have only ever gone on like one date where a guy has paid for me.
And then when I did that, I enjoyed it.
So I was like, ooh, yeah, I like that.
Oh, okay.
Well.
Who should make the first move?
No.
Like, neither.
It doesn't matter.
Really?
But whoever asks.
So you want to?
Okay.
Whoever asks, you know, they should pay.
Like, but.
Killer of cereal donated $100.
Is it communist to want a joint checking account in a relationship?
Gives equal funds for all vibes.
Thoughts on sharing funds with partner in all aspects?
Capitalism works.
Communism crumbles.
Thoughts on sharing funds with a partner?
I mean, only in a marriage.
Yes, I agree.
But also, don't get married.
That's my take.
No offense.
No offense.
Sorry to the marriage people here, but I don't believe in getting married.
I agree.
I believe in getting married.
Yes, I guess.
I love to get married.
What's the point?
Unless you're religious, then you should be negligible compared to the rest.
I feel like there's other benefits in the middle of the morning.
I actually would agree with Brian.
I think we've talked about this before.
I agree with the position, like, you should get married if it's for religious reasons.
I don't understand why the secular world gets married.
It baffles me.
Like, it's your like it is a religious institution.
It always has been a religious institution.
And putting yourself in this contract with like no basis in like objective truth.
Like, there's no, like, if we have a disagreement, what are we going to turn to to like hash this out?
It's like, there's too many things, too many things up in the air.
There's no, like, no authority over you that keeps you in that relationship.
So, like, for Christianity, like, God says divorce is a no.
You got to figure it out for yourself.
Well, you have values and principles.
You don't need a religion for that.
You can make those up.
Like, there are certain people in history that had very different values.
No, you don't.
You have a disagreement with your husband.
And you think about the hard work and the love and the compromise that you have put through the years.
You don't need to have God looking at you.
And I respect your religion and respect how you view that.
But talking on my own experience, we are not going to run away the first time that we have a disagreement.
And we're not Christians.
We believe that marriage is work and you have to work through it and you're not going to run away just the first time that you are not agreeing with your husband.
So do you have a secular marriage?
What is a secular marriage?
Like, you guys are not religious.
We're not religious, yes.
Okay.
You had something?
No, yeah.
So, I mean, I'll give a quick response to this.
There is something you hit on right there.
Like, we have morals, we have values.
I agree with that.
Actually, the Bible hits on that.
For people who are non-believers, God created man and woman.
When he created humanity in general, he imprinted on them his moral law.
So, man and woman, that's why when we do something bad, we feel that it's bad.
Like, we know in our core that it's wrong.
Now, that moral law, that morality can be corrupted, it can be cauterized.
The more that we delve into sin, like those things become, we can become numb to those things.
So, it depends on the person.
But that's why, like, generally speaking, humanity has an understanding that there are certain things that are good and there are certain things that are bad.
Right, you have something that tells you inside of you, you say, okay, this doesn't see right with me.
This sits wrong.
But overall, in my experience with my husband, we have our bad days, absolutely for sure.
But we decide that this is a compromise and we want to be with each other for the rest of our life.
And no matter what, we're going to make it work.
Of course, I mean, it's something like terrible.
Like, he killed someone, I killed someone.
But in a daily basis, you make a compromise with that person, either if you're religious or not, and you have to live through that.
I actually think it's an interesting, like, if from a secular perspective, it's actually a rather pro-religious position to say secular people shouldn't get married.
Because it's like, no, that should be like, that's for religious people, I think.
But I really don't see the point, certainly from the male's perspective, of getting married if you're not religious.
I can see the reason why a woman who's an atheist or secular or whatever would want to get married.
I actually, one reason in defense for people who do want to get married, I don't personally want to get married, but it gives you a right over each other in case of emergencies.
Like if someone's injured and is incapacitated and needs to make a decision, you get no right of any decision of what happens to them.
You might not even be allowed to see them if you're not married.
That's true.
Yeah, okay, so there are some considerations in terms of, you know, there's end of or something like healthcare directives.
There's a specific terminology for it.
But I want to ask the chat a question on this.
Couldn't you, in like you're just, you have a girlfriend, couldn't you just give her like a power of attorney?
I don't want, I don't, no, that's not exactly.
You could give her, assign her the legal, the same legal power to make decisions for you on behalf.
Like in the event of a medical emergency, you could sign some sort of contract, an advanced health care directive.
I think that's what it's called.
I could be wrong saying in the event that I'm a vegetable or in the event that I'm incapacitated, I give this person my proxy or I give them the authority to make medical decisions on my behalf.
So I don't think it requires marriage to do that.
Although I think by default, if you are married, I think it removes, like, there wouldn't have to be some actual, it would just automatically, upon marriage, I think it would give you that level of authority over your spouse's like a healthcare directive.
But it is a valid argument, though.
You would have some benefit there if there wasn't an existing signed health power of attorney or advanced health care directive or something like that.
But I can't really think of a reason for a man to get married if he's not religious.
That's funny because my husband proposed me and I initially say no.
I mean, perhaps the better statement is: I don't see a reason why a breadwinner should get married, which typically tends to be men, although there's certainly women who can be breadwinners and who are breadwinners.
Well, I'm not.
I stay home.
I take care of my animals at the farm.
I grow food and he brings the money in.
But I don't, I never, I've never heard a compelling argument for secular marriage for the breadwinner.
Anybody?
Nothing?
Not yet.
Hold on.
We were, wait, we were going.
Oh, no, we were talking to you.
We're kind of going on a million different topics here.
You said you're feminist/slash traditional.
I pulled it up.
You did say, hold on, it's coming up here in just a sec.
Sorry, guys, my thing is loading.
I guess while that's loading, you said that you're ex from San Diego.
You live together.
He was originally from Florida.
You were 19.
Your dad broke us up.
Did you tell us the quick story of why your dad broke you guys up?
No, his dad broke us up.
His dad broke us up.
So basically, I mean, him and I'll try to make it like really fast.
Basically, we went to Florida for like his birthday and stuff.
My mom came along too.
He was supposed to get some stuff handled with his dad, but I like we ended up like having a moment like where we broke up and he kind of just like bummed it out in his mom's house while I was just like with my mom and stuff at the hotel.
Basically, he was supposed to do some stuff with his dad.
He flaked, didn't say anything.
And then when he left, when we went back to San Diego, because we ended up getting back together at the end of it, he did not even say bye to his dad.
He didn't even let his dad know that he was leaving.
So went back to San Diego.
We had some issues.
He was in the Navy.
So he had barracks over there at the place at the, you know. Coronado.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And then, because we were like living together at the time.
So his dad was like, oh, why is your location?
Why is his location over there?
Da-da-da.
He called me, was asking me for some stuff.
He was so upset with everything that was going on with him, you know, and his son, my ex.
And we just had like a discussion, and he basically gave me like a really good idea on how to break up with him very easily, which was ghost him.
Wait, the dad?
Yes.
Okay.
Yeah.
You're talking about that.
Yeah.
He was really like an asshole.
Wait, so the dad didn't want you dating him or he didn't want his son dating you?
Yeah, he felt bad for me that I was dating his son.
Damn.
Basically.
That's like betrayal.
Bro, that's betrayal.
Wow.
Wow.
Shit.
Awkward.
Yeah.
But he, you know, broke us up and stuff.
And yeah, that's basically it.
Not necessarily, though.
Maybe he actually had an issue with you, but he was like, no, no, no, my son's the problem.
You should definitely break up with him.
It was like some other stuff, which I wouldn't want to get into.
Except in piercing.
Maybe a little bit.
Except that.
I think that was it.
But yeah.
Well, you said you were somewhere between feminist traditional.
Okay, so going back to what I was saying about paying on the first day and stuff, I would like it if a guy paid on the first day for me.
You know what I mean?
Like that would be very nice.
Like I would really be like, you know, like that.
But if we split and you had like a proper reason as to why you believe that we should split and like you gave me, you know, I would be like, okay, you know, I can get that.
And like for future stuff, if you take me on a date, you pay for me.
Who says that, like, you know, not who says, but maybe when we go to the movies, I'll pay for the tickets and the popcorn, you know?
Okay.
You said that you mostly you'd want you want to tell people how to be smarter in their dating choices and talk about how horrible the dating pool is right now.
A quick thought on that.
Okay, so do you have like any other prompts that can like maybe like okay sure.
Well, I'll switch gears.
You said you were watching one of our previous videos and you'd like to talk about the difficulties of dating for men versus women, especially if you're going to have one of the male guests on the show.
So what was the, you had a disagreement there when it comes to dating for men versus women.
For example, I've previously said, I've previously said, and anybody else here is welcome to disagree with me that comparatively speaking, I think dating is harder for men and I think women have dating on easy mode.
Was that your disagreement?
Yeah.
Compared to men?
Yeah.
Any disagreements there?
Any disagreements?
I agree.
I feel like it's harder for men because they have to usually, or they're usually expected to initiate.
I agree that's harder.
But for dating itself, I think it's harder for women to find a guy that's ready to be in a relationship at our age, at least.
Not even just be in a relationship, but to be a little bit more respectful because I think, especially, you know, our like age range and stuff, but the culture is just so big, it's so real.
And it really just seems like, you know, after college, throughout high school, they really seem to keep that.
And through having that mindset, you know, growing up and stuff, it's really hard for them to retain like a real relationship, like try to get to know somebody.
And that just like Fs up, you know, your whole rhythm, whatever.
But at the same time, I would argue that it's not one-sided.
It's not just men.
It's women that are kind of going into that hookup culture just for the fun of it.
So it's not just men that are not wanting relationships.
It's also women because, you know, OF is on the rise and it's just ridiculous.
And I think, yeah, especially with things like OnlyFans and let's, sorry, let's.
Like, if we were to talk about, you know, media and stuff like that.
Oh, fuck.
I like forgot where I was going with this.
But yeah, media, porn, stuff like that.
It's, that's so pushed.
Like, you know what I mean?
It's so pushed for girls to look a certain way or act a certain way.
And then, you know.
I believe so, yeah.
I mean, if we, whatever gets, like, most media attention, you know what I mean?
Or who we see the most.
Like, we don't, I feel like it's not all the time that we get to see like natural girls anymore doing their natural girl things, you know?
Like, I feel like a lot of us feel the pressure of having to like know how to shake our ass.
And no, no, okay, sorry.
That was like a little bit crazy.
I'm like, all over the place.
But like, you know, I like that.
Like, the way I'm going to be able to do it.
Just so I can, let me, hold on.
Women are just feeling the pressure.
I know it's a shake that.
Feeling the pressure.
Having to shake their ass and twerk.
It's hard out here.
It is every day.
They're walking on like a broken.
It's like a weight on my shoulders.
No, but I mean, you're not wrong.
It's just sort of the, it's a funny thing to think about, but you're actually not wrong.
There's definitely like degeneracy that's being pushed.
And like get on TikTok.
This is the norm.
And it's actually funny.
I do think, I mean, this is, I don't know if this is conspiracy theory territory, but like if you look at what is being pushed on TikTok in the United States, versus what's being pushed.
I think it's been shown versus like pushed in China, for example, which they own, TikTok.
They'll show like engineering videos, like things that might stimulate you intellectually.
And then on TikTok, like they're just going to feed you like stupid fucking dances and like twerking and sexuality and just shove it down your throat and just perpetuate the degeneracy.
They also push consumption a lot, which I think is interesting.
Consumption, like healing food.
Like the dump shop, like purchasing.
Buying stuff.
Oh, buying stuff.
Entertainment consumption.
I see.
Okay.
So like, yeah, it's all designed to like feed our entertainment needs, our comfort needs, all of this stuff.
Over there, it's like, what can you do for the good of our country?
So like, what can you produce?
So engineering, like, let's stimulate your mind.
And then they charge them, okay, now use this new stimulation for the betterment of our country.
Wait, you guys know how there's this thing like the pre-front frontal cortex, apparently, I don't even know if that, I think it's bullshit, but doesn't, isn't fully developed until you're 25 years old.
Should we just, I think we should like ban smartphones and social media until you're 25.
You know?
You can't vote.
Didn't they do that in Florida?
You can't vote until you're 25.
No smartphones, no social media.
You're just in the dark.
All about it.
It's the 1700s until you're 25.
Yes.
And then you get social media.
Things are going on.
That doesn't really sound too bad.
I'm saying.
Tough crowd.
Are you down for that?
She's so down.
She's so down.
Yeah.
Just, you know.
Okay, never mind.
Well, I gotta go for Shilly.
Yes.
No, you're good.
You can stay for a little bit.
Yes.
That was awkward.
I have to go, but thank you so much for having me.
I appreciate it.
Get home safe.
All right, Gustavo, take your seat.
We are going to try to wrap up soon here, guys.
We'll try to wrap up in like 15 minutes or so.
But she's.
Oh.
I mean, no promises, but I'm trying to wrap up in 15.
Okay.
Okay.
All right.
Sorry, Kiki.
But I mean, I'm going to try my best.
Okay.
Wait, so really quick on the dating harder.
What was I remember like something like OnlyVans?
I think.
Okay, so the degeneracy.
Okay, here, let me just throw out like the most.
This is where you guys can attack me here.
Women have dating on easy mode.
Go ahead.
Disagree.
I don't feel that way.
Let's have a conversation.
Can you explain easy mode?
Like, it's like easier for women to get dates than it is for men, too.
Okay.
Oh, you have something on this?
The reason why I'm saying something is because I feel like with all the OF and the hookup culture, I don't sleep around, so I feel like it's hard to find a partner who doesn't want to initiate things too soon.
And I'm not like that.
And I feel like a lot of guys think because of the tattoos and piercings that I want to jump their bones and it makes me run away.
And I wasn't taught stuff like that.
So I've had two boyfriends my whole life.
So I feel like the dating game for some women who want love, it's harder for us.
But the other girls, it's a little bit easier because they seep around really fast.
I guess to kind of clarify Brian's position, I'm not talking about where I don't think he's talking about getting into a relationship is easier for women than it is for men.
You could make that argument, but that's not what we're talking about.
It's like getting dates.
Dating in general.
I agree.
I agree.
Women have dating on easy mode.
No, you are right.
Okay.
I feel like it's hard to do.
I mean, let's even assume that the guy who's interested in you is desirous of a long-term relationship.
That process of getting on the date, that's typically, I think, going kind of, you don't have to do much.
You know?
Pretty.
Yeah, as a woman, like speaking as a man, like, if, like, I'll ask certain questions about like your morality, things like that.
But there are very few things you actually have to do to make me stick around.
Like, I think men generally have to bend over backwards to like keep a woman around, which I don't necessarily see as a bad thing, but there are negatives and positives to that situation.
And I mean, just speaking about practical things, I mean, men typically, the burden of initiative falls on men, and that manifests itself in a lot of different moving things forward in a potential, even if it's casual.
But, okay, generally speaking, men are expected to make the first move.
We're going to have to carry the conversation to some degree.
We can't just walk up to you and just say, hey, and then shift the conversational burden to you.
Initially, there's a pretty strong expectation that we have to carry the conversational burden.
We have to perhaps plan the date, pay for the date, set up the date, handle the logistics of that.
If we're moving things forward physically, that can be so much as closing the, you know, if we're trying to close the physical barrier, and that can extend all the way to going for the first kiss.
I think most women prefer the guy initiating on the first kiss and then moving.
I don't need to get detailed, but moving things forward physically from there.
That typically is men initiating that, or the expectation is there at least.
And then, I mean, it goes on from there.
I agree.
As far as getting dates, yeah, girls definitely I would interpret it as in like a relationship stuff, you know.
Yeah, and then also just when it comes if we're looking at the difficulty of dating when it comes to, well, what would potentially make something difficult?
Well, the degree to uh the degree of rejection that one might face.
So for example, typically men are the ones getting rejected quite frequently.
Whereas women, my theory on this is women tend to get rejected on the back end.
So for example, a guy will get rejected up front.
Like he'll he'll shoot a DM, he'll approach you, he'll match with you on a dating app.
And usually it's like a an immediate rejection.
But what will happen is women will get rejected on the back end.
So you'll sleep with a guy and then he'll ghost you or, you know, that's you know, hit and quit it, that type of thing.
That'll be the back end rejection, which is bad.
Like that sucks.
I'd say from a one-to-one comparison, like one upfront rejection versus like a guy just fucks you and like doesn't call.
That's that's got that's worse than just an upfront rejection.
But it's obviously not happening to the same frequency as that upfront, front end rejection that men experience.
So yeah, that's, you know, I mean, we could really quick going around the table.
More often than not, like, I mean, when it comes to dating men, are you rejecting men more than they're rejecting you?
Yeah.
Like, how many, I'm curious, how many men have you rejected?
Nick?
From Justice College?
Hundreds?
No, I don't go out that often, so I'd say probably only about like 10.
Only 10?
What?
Dating apps?
No, I didn't use any apps.
No dating apps?
Okay.
All right, that's not bad.
A good amount.
Hundreds.
I don't want to say like hundreds, maybe like a hundred, but I don't really get approached a lot, so I would say 50-50.
50-50?
Okay.
What about you?
You go out to parties, right?
Parties?
Atla Vista, party town.
Do you guys, I feel like people approaching people in person, not as frequent as it used to be, but you still get approached?
I'd say at college, I don't really get, like, if I'm getting approached at a party, it's not going to be like an, you know, it's like going to be different.
But I don't really go to those kind of parties anymore.
But I think I get mostly approached when I go back home, actually, or like go like outside of the college setting.
And then that's when I would probably reject someone.
Okay.
So more often than not, though, you're rejecting.
Okay.
Yeah, more often.
I am too.
Yeah, I mean, my single day, I used to reject more than yes.
I've only been rejected once, and then I do the rejecting lately.
Most of the time.
Wait, have you ever been rejected?
No.
Yes.
Yes.
Oh, okay.
And you said once.
Yeah, yeah.
Okay.
Never been rejected?
Well, I don't pursue people.
You don't pursue people?
Yeah.
Okay.
Well, you don't have to really pursue someone to be rejected.
You can basically say, hey, how's it going?
You want us to grab a drink?
And the person will say, no, I don't.
No, she's never.
She's got the Riz, bro.
She's got the Riz.
She's killing it.
When the dude steps, boom, it's on.
Okay, good talk.
Wait, it's okay.
We talked about that.
Sonia, you wanted to talk about, hold on, you said you lied about your age on a dating app.
I did.
Yikes.
Oh my god, bro.
Chill on.
God damn.
Every time.
Freaking out.
Wait, in high school?
Yeah.
I was 17.
Unfortunately.
Unfortunately, I'm very ashamed.
Damn, bro.
You're trying to get kids.
No, you lie about your age.
Yeah.
So, like, you were you dating these dudes?
Were you dating these dudes?
Um, no.
I wasn't even meeting up with half of them.
So, you met up with the other half?
I mean, like, no, I mean, no, no.
I wasn't meeting up with any of them.
Um, it's because in high school, I was really, really, really shy, introverted.
Um, I didn't have a lot of friends.
No, I've never been in a relationship like in that point in senior year.
I haven't, I didn't even have my first kiss at that point.
Um, and I was kind of diagnosed with like depression and anxiety in high school.
Um, you also said here that you are you're autistic, is that correct?
Yeah, okay, so it's really hard for me to like I don't relate to a lot of people, um, especially people my age, um, being on the spectrum.
Um, I've also been diagnosed with uh border borderline personality disorder, so it makes it very yeah, but but sorry, this was before it got romanticized and being like, Oh, yeah, I have borderline personality.
Anybody else show of hands be BPD?
It's not anything I'm proud of.
In fact, I don't want to know BPD any bipolar, any bipolar going once, going twice, NPD.
NPD, narcissistic personality.
Anybody, Bueller, going once?
Go ahead and continue.
And I just really don't like the fact that people romanticize about it or romanticize it on TikTok and they're like, oh, yeah, I have BPD.
No, it's not fun.
It really ruins everything.
It ruins relationships.
It ruins relationships with your parents, with your siblings, with people that you're trying to date.
It's not fun.
So BPD can manifest itself differently for different people.
When it comes to your romantic relationships, how does it negatively manifest itself for you?
So I didn't realize I had it until I joined a family therapy group with another Russian lady because we speak Russian.
And she said she told me killer of cereal donated $100.
Better chance, female or male, if a guy got naked and tried to coerce a female over after just meeting, they would be in jail.
A man wouldn't call cops on her for same behavior.
Thoughts.
Well, he should.
What?
Bro, what the fuck is this?
What?
Hold on.
That's insane.
If a guy got naked, Hadwood tried to coerce her.
It's like a sex fencer.
Over after just wait, they would be in jail.
A man wouldn't call cops on her.
So, like, a girl shows up naked.
I guess naked, yeah.
Like, on the date, like, public nudity.
Yeah.
You've got other problems.
That's like, that's a crime right there.
Like, that's already crazy.
Yes.
That's public exposure.
Wait, so Mason, here's this.
Well, I don't know if this is going to apply to you.
Like, I show up to a date at the beach, and she's just like, I'm a nudist.
And she's like, she's God-furious.
She's naked.
She's God-furious.
What's your answer now?
But she's like trying to chase me, a naked woman trying to chase me.
I might call the cops in that situation.
I'd be like, I'm like, bro, she's trying to like.
But what if she was attractive?
She's on drugs.
What if she was attractive?
What if she was attractive?
But she's trying to like what is she about?
She's like, no, what is she?
What is she bows?
Like she bows.
This is such a ridiculous scenario.
What is she bows?
Like, I guess what he's saying is, like, the standards are, like, different for, like, it is.
Legally, yes, it's there is a double standard.
100% legally, there's a double standard.
Wait, what?
Let's go back, though.
Let's go back.
I think you were saying how it manifests.
Oh, yeah.
So for you in dating, it was very much black and white.
Like, all or nothing.
So, for example, if this person didn't talk to me, for example, for an hour, I'm not saying I'm like this now because I had a lot of therapy.
And I'm happy to say that I'm improved.
I would block them and just never talk to them again if they didn't respond to my message.
Impulsive.
But would you like to unblock them or just like straight up block them?
And then I would unblock them.
And then they'd be like, why did you do that?
And I'm like, I'm sorry.
The highs and lows a lot.
Yeah, very high, very low.
And then I'm trying to think of another thing that I did because I don't do it a lot anymore.
A lot of seeking validation.
Okay.
So a lot of people who have BPD are very impulsive.
So it could be like drugs, sex with money.
For me, it's with money, unfortunately.
Wait.
Prostitution?
Like, they have sex with a lot of people.
Wait, sex with money?
Hold on.
No, no, no.
Am I misunderstanding?
Spending, spending.
Impulsively spending.
I'm sorry.
Two different things.
My bad.
I'm sorry.
For me, it's spending money.
So I'm definitely not proud of that.
So I kind of compensate by overworking, and then that just gives me burnout.
But for example, I've never been drunk.
I don't do drugs.
Oh, there you go.
So, I mean, I got high, but that was anyways.
But a lot of people do that.
What?
What?
I didn't say anything.
Pull the worst one.
No, no.
Okay.
It's legal in California.
Okay.
Yeah.
So I didn't go down that route.
It was more spending money.
Luckily, I do have a good relationship with my family where they were like, you need help.
We're going to help you.
So, yeah.
And I ruined a lot of relationships.
Can you give us like one, like the most glaring example?
Like, actually get into what you did that just destroyed one of these relationships because of the BPD.
I'm trying to think.
Manslaughter?
Yeah.
No, I'm just kidding.
It's more like taking things to the extreme.
How so?
So I would go so far to ask, like, do you like me?
Do you still like me?
Oh, you don't like me because you don't, like, we're not hanging out.
Yeah, you overthink everything.
But not only that, you would like, would you constantly do it?
Constantly.
Like, it wasn't you would, like, every time you saw the person.
Every time.
Every time.
It was, it's really awful.
And I'm not proud of that I did that.
I didn't have any control over myself.
And it's just, it's really overwhelming.
And like I said, I don't like how people are saying, like, oh, yeah, I have BPD.
I'm insane.
Like, I don't.
Wish I didn't have it.
And a lot of BPD actually stems from trauma from childhood.
So a big chunk of my childhood is.
Don't tell us details, but you can be general.
No, I don't remember it.
Okay.
Oh.
Because you blocked it from me.
Because the human brain is insane.
It can block huge chunks of your memory and it can only be brought back, which I don't know if anyone believes in in hypnotherapy.
So it gives you, gets you into like a deeper state of consciousness.
Because, like we said, we don't know anything about the human brain or a lot.
Yeah.
I have one more question for you on something else you've said.
But before I get there, we always do it every single show.
Does body count matter?
Yes.
Starting with you?
To a certain extent.
Like if it's too big, it's concerning.
Okay.
Same response.
Yeah.
Not too many.
Yes.
Kind of.
STDs matter.
Okay.
Yeah, that's fair.
Yes, it matters.
Yes.
Yes, body count matters.
Yeah, of course.
So, follow-up question.
Do you think it's insecure for a man to care about a woman's body count?
Only if it's one of the first things they bring up.
First thing.
Hi, nice to meet you, Cindy.
What's your body count?
What's your body count?
How many penises?
No, it's not insecure.
I feel like if it's the first thing, that's a little indicative.
That's my goal.
What they're thinking about.
What's your body?
Good to meet you.
And can you bow?
Also, can you bow?
Body count, can you bow?
Also, like, if he has a higher body count and he is like super, like weird about you having a body count like over, like over three or something, and like he has a higher body count than you, I think that's really weird.
I'm just, it's just.
I don't think it's that weird hypocritical.
No, not really.
Why don't you think it's weird?
I don't think it's that weird.
Well, I don't think.
Okay, here's my argument.
I don't think in order to desire a trait in a partner, you need to possess that trait.
Now, if you make a judgment about it, then that's different.
If you're like well, people who have high body counts are pieces of shit and blah blah, like then, and you have a high body count yourself, I don't even know if it'd be hypocritical.
If you're like, yeah, I'm a piece of shit yeah well, there you go.
I acknowledge I'm a piece of shit, but if you're judging someone because you're, what would you consider a high body count?
What is?
I mean?
It depends on age.
It depends on age, okay.
So let's say someone in, I think that's once you get over 10.
I think that's a pretty good cut off.
I meant 10 years old.
I meant 10 years old.
No, 10, the body count, the body count, Jesus Christ.
Regardless of age.
Right on these fucking girls.
Yes.
Yeah, body count over 10.
That's high.
Okay, getting into the high territory.
High for a woman or for Man.
Well, I'm not in favor of male promiscuity either.
Right.
I'm either.
But I mean, I do think there are differences between men and women.
But I don't think it's necessarily hypocritical or weird.
Because, like, for example, as a guy, let's say you've accumulated the high body count and perhaps you realized you've had a shift and you're like, ah, actually, this was not the correct way to move in the dating marketplace.
I actually have determined I value long-term relationships.
And I acknowledge that having a high body count, having a promiscuous past, having a lot of sexual partners is bad in a lot of ways.
There's a potential higher risk of STDs, as you mentioned.
There's an impact on pair bonding.
There's a greater likelihood of infidelity.
There's a greater likelihood of a reporting relationship dissatisfaction.
And there's a greater likelihood if you're inclined to get married, a greater likelihood of divorce.
And they've studied this.
So the more premarital sex, premarital sexual partners you've had, the greater likelihood of all those things.
So you can like realize, oh, I fucked up, but if I'm going to make the most optimum dating choice I can, the most optimum dating choice might include dating somebody who's not promiscuous, doesn't have a promiscuous past, has a low body count.
I don't think that that's objectionable.
So what if you were to meet a woman that went through the exact same experience you did?
She had a pass like that where she was very promiscuous and then she decided that that was not the direction she wanted to go.
Would you still judge her for having a high body count even though she went through the same realization you did?
So the question is, would I judge her?
She had the same realization, promiscuous past.
Same like, let's just say she has the same body count, exact same, like basically experience you did as a woman.
So here's the scenario.
I have a hundred.
I'm not saying this is my body count.
I have a hundred body count.
She has a hundred body count.
We both came to the realization that this is not, you know, this being promiscuous is not good.
Trying to, you know, turn a new leaf.
Yeah, I would disqualify her.
I would disqualify her.
100 body count doesn't matter.
I think that's hypocritical.
It's not hypocritical.
It's not hypocritical.
It can be your preference, but I think it's hypocritical.
No, because you're not obliged to date somebody.
You can use any sort of judgment or disqualifying metrics that you can use to disqualify somebody.
Totally.
It's not hypocritical.
I wouldn't date this.
Okay.
Do you think that in order to date somebody, you need to possess all the same traits in order to date them?
No, I'm just saying if you're going to, so basically you have this preference because, in my head, at least, because you were at least judging some part of that body count, because that is like taking everything else aside, you are judging her body count.
Sure.
Okay.
Let's say I am.
So me saying, so what I'm saying is that you judging her body count when you did the exact same thing and have the exact same body count is hypocritical.
No, not think so.
I don't think so.
I'm saying you're entitled to that opinion, but I think it's hypocritical.
I think it'd be hypocritical if you were making a sort of like a criticism of them.
Like if you're like, you're a piece of shit, but I'm not a piece of shit, but you're a piece of shit.
But if it's like, well, I did this, but I acknowledge if I'm trying to maximize the type of partner that I want to be with, despite myself doing it, I acknowledge that this is a terrible thing to have in the partner.
This is a bad thing to have in a partner.
I don't think it's hypocritical because then you're just making an optimization when it comes to who you choose to date and not date.
But basically, you want to be accepted by someone that is okay with your body count.
So you want someone to not judge your own body count, but you are willing to judge someone else for that body count.
So I think, in a general sense, it is hypocritical.
But again, so are you obliged to date someone who you are saying you cannot date somebody?
No, that's not insane.
Okay, in order for you to want to be with someone, need you be exactly the same?
Not at all.
Okay.
Like, so are there things that you desire in a partner that you yourself don't possess?
Sure.
Like what?
Maybe they're really good at sports.
I don't have that ability.
Okay.
Maybe I'm, you know, maybe, or maybe they're really good at playing the violin.
Well, I'll give you a couple examples, right?
Because there's a whole, if we're speaking in generalities here, there's a lot of things that women possess in men that they very frequently never possess in themselves.
So maybe this is more double standard than hypocrisy.
But for example, because you're saying, well, if a guy has a high body count and he wants a woman with a low body count, that would be hypocritical.
But what about women, for example, who are not funny, who desire a man who's funny?
There's a lot of women who really value humor in a partner, but they are not, they're not funny at all.
Would you agree with that?
Yeah, sure.
Okay.
What about a woman who's broke, but she's attracted to a billionaire?
Would you fault her for that attraction?
Would I, wait, say that again?
Would you fault a woman who's broke being attracted to a billionaire?
Let's say she has access to dating a billionaire.
I mean, would it be hypocritical of her to date, to take the opportunity to date what is an optimal dating move?
I think the difference is that if a guy were to possess all the qualities she wanted, but like was also broke like her and she turned him down, I think that is a little bit hypocritical.
Maybe she has her reasons for it, or maybe it's a double standard, whatever word you'd use to describe it.
But I think she can have those preferences.
I think that she's going to turn away someone that has the same qualities as her, but she wants something better.
I think it is a little funny, you know?
Like, and that's kind of all I'm saying.
I'm saying you can have that preference and like, and you know, that's what you want.
I'm just saying that it is kind of funny that that is your standard when you can't, when you yourself don't meet that standard.
Well, I mean, then everybody in the history of dating, I would argue, is engaging in this double standard of hypocrisy.
Because again, I would argue that the vast majority of women desire traits in men that they don't possess.
That's true.
Like, okay, look.
I'll just go down the list.
I haven't written down here.
So, okay, they'll want a traditional man, but they're not traditional.
So, chivalry, you'll have modern women who really strongly desire like all the chivalrous treatment, but they're like super modern women.
They want a charismatic man.
What woman doesn't want a charismatic guy, but they're totally devoid of any charisma at all?
This one's not totally fair because there's sexual dimorphism, but a taut, you know, women want tall men, but they're not tall.
It doesn't make them hypocrites.
They want a guy who's strong, but maybe they're not physically strong themselves.
They want a dominant man, but they're not dominant.
They want a man who takes initiative, but they've never taken initiative in their life.
They want a man to chase, but they don't chase.
They want a man who's confident, but they're not confident.
Oh, there's a part.
A 304 admitted she was thinking of a chat while her simp husband was fucking her.
Then she divorced his ass.
Pair bonding is real, and body count is matters.
Abdul, get the fucking rocks.
Get the rocks.
Get the rocks.
Thank you, man.
Appreciate it, LP.
Appreciate it.
And look, there's some dudes that are maybe delusional and desiring, like, all these traits in women that...
Vashizzle?
What?
Okay, so here's the here's a bit of a differential on the whole body count thing, right?
So I think men tend to care far more about body count than do women.
And one of the reasons is based in EvoPsych, evolutionary psychology.
So one of the reasons why I think men care far more about this than women when it comes to either female virginity or lack of promiscuity or just having a low body count.
So I believe it was in the 1980s when we were able to, you know, we started sequencing DNA, we could determine the paternity of fathers with certainty.
Prior to the 1980s, and again, even with the invention of DNA testing, that doesn't undo hundreds of thousands of years of evolution in this regard.
So if a woman gets pregnant, you know for certain that she's the mother in every instance.
Like if you're pregnant, well, you're carrying the child.
So that's there's no doubt to maternity.
But when it comes to paternity, there's not really a way to know.
Now, I know we have DNA tests now, but that doesn't, again, it doesn't undo the hundreds of thousands of years of evolution here.
So men, they can't, we can't know who the father is, really.
Like unless we had our eyes on you 24/7.
One of the biggest L's that you can take in life as a guy is to raise a child that you think is yours, but isn't.
So men have a much more vested interest in ensuring the paternity of their children.
Whereas for women, there's never a doubt of who's the parent for you.
That's never a concern.
For example, if a man has 10 wives who are all loyal to him, you know who the father is and you know who the mother is for each of those children that ends up getting born.
But if one woman has 10 husbands and they're all assume before, you know, assume there's no DNA testing, and all those men, the 10 men are having sex with that woman, you don't know who the father is.
Who's the father?
Okay.
And so how does this relate to body count?
Well, that's why men care about it more because there's an evolutionary psychosis.
All right.
So you're saying it's in our DNA to care?
Or in our evolution.
There's social, there's cultural reasons, but there is an evolutionary reason for men to care more about this.
And that's why men tend to be more territorial.
Okay.
Women are more, women are very territorial for a different reason, though.
And that comes down to like, since men tend to be fall into the provider role, women will be much more territorial when it comes to male provisioning.
So if a male is like, for example, paying for another girl's OnlyFans and you're in a relationship with him, that's like a huge fucking slight to a woman.
Or as a woman, like you might be like, object more to a man like financially providing for another woman as compared to like sexual infidelity.
They're both bad, don't get me wrong, but like that'd be.
I mean, I probably would care more about infidelity.
That's fine.
But yeah.
Fine.
Relating to the body count, though, and how I can see how over the years that has mattered.
But I think now that you have genetic testing, it kind of does take it away.
And now it's.
It doesn't, though.
Like you're saying, we're kind of wired, like men are wired to care about body count.
But you can't intellectualize that, that gut thing away.
Yeah.
Like if it's just be how guys are raised, you know, that there's kind of like just like through culture, you know, maybe that is also part of it.
It's the culture.
The culture that body count matters for women.
That women.
I feel like I don't think it matters more for women than men, but you know, I think.
Yeah.
I mean, I've already made the argument for paternity certainty, so there's that component, but culturally speaking, who do you think is more desirous of virgins, men or women?
I think with purity culture, I would think men.
Purity culture, okay.
Well, it seems to me that there's not like a large subset of women who are like, even women who have lost their own virginity, who are like, wow, it would be really cool to like hook up or date someone who's a virgin.
Whereas I think there's a much higher proportion of men who'd be interested in that.
I agree.
And so you're saying that's because of evolution?
Or will you?
I think there's a biological basis, there's a cultural basis.
I think there's a religious basis.
I think that has been like a major part.
I mean, Christianity, obviously.
That's fair.
But I think it probably varies depending on each culture.
But I think in the U.S., religion has been a huge part of it.
Also, the way that women were used, like used in marriages.
I mean, used in marriages.
Used in marriages to form alliances, and they were expected to be pure for their husbands and arranged marriages.
That's what I was talking about.
I think they were being used.
But yeah.
They were being, I don't know.
I kind of object to the term used, but I mean, I would argue that, are you talking like arranged marriages?
Not currently in the past.
How they were arranged marriages where women were being used.
Yeah, I don't know.
They were being used.
What about the men who were also part of that?
Like, there's two sides of that.
The man was arranged to marry her, too.
Yeah, but he also.
Okay, but here's the thing.
And usually this is how it went: that it was just like they could have mistresses.
They could pretty much continue their life.
Yeah.
Are you talking like monarchs?
Like, maybe kids.
Yeah, like way back.
Yeah, I'm not talking about like, okay, now.
I don't know if the peasantry really had much access to mistresses.
No, that was, yeah, that was more.
I mean, I think for maybe you can speak better on this, but my understanding of Christianity is that of monogamy was pretty.
That was the okay.
Sorry, I was talking, I kind of like went all over the place.
A little bit.
Yeah, so, okay, I'll stick to Christianity.
I think that just like the whole religion itself with Mary being pregnant and still being a virgin.
I think that like that really like religion was founded on women being pure.
And the fact that.
Is that a bad thing for women to be pure?
I.
I don't think it's a bad thing in itself if women choose that, but when they are expected to be pure and when they're not like allowed to do what they want or aren't allowed to have access to like birth control and stuff and stuff like that, it's a bigger issue.
Yeah, we don't have to get into that.
I'm just saying I can't have natural.
So what would be the counter?
What would be the alternative to purity?
The alternative.
Degeneracy.
Yeah, but it doesn't have to be like a complete, like, you know, if it's a scale and like this is once, we don't have to go to the complete other side.
I'm just saying that it's all about just like women being able to choose.
Do you think women are happy with hookup culture, though?
Not necessarily.
I don't know.
Even women are happy with it.
No, I'm not saying, I'm not saying that you have to go to hookup culture.
Well, that's isn't that the status quo?
No, but like you.
You live in Isla Vista.
I do.
Yeah.
Is hookup culture the status quo?
It is here, yeah, for sure.
I mean, you said you've been single for 20 years.
I would actually make the argument that women in history in patriarchal societies were happier than women are today in our society.
Should we talk about this?
I mean, I would disagree with that.
We'll get to that really quick.
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Whose side is the on?
I don't know which side he's going to be.
Wait, we'll come to that really quick.
That'll probably be the last topic of conversation.
Really quick on the body count thing.
What's your body count starting with you?
Zero.
Five.
Nine.
Pass.
Oh, come on.
Range?
Range?
Less than ten.
Eight.
Seven.
Eight.
Eight.
Pass.
Oh, come on.
Sorry.
You can't do that.
I don't want to answer.
Like, not on here.
Over ten?
Yes.
Over 20?
Nope.
Over 50?
Nope.
Over 100?
Hell no.
Sorry.
Sorry.
I was just.
Yeah, okay.
What about you?
Four.
Cool.
Cool.
Multiply it by three, and that's the real number.
For all of you.
I'm not singling any of you out.
You're looking me directly in my eyes when you say that.
Over 50.
You gotta do the math.
Do the math, boys.
Do the math.
I know it's complicated.
Okay.
Wait, so the patriarchy?
Is that what you guys want to talk about?
Let's talk really quick.
Oh, who here considers themselves a feminist?
Feminist?
Not really.
Sure.
Come on.
You don't know?
Just there's so many, like, there's different waves of feminism, too.
I don't know.
Maybe like first gen. First, yeah.
Is there, how about this?
We were talking about, well, go around here.
Feminists?
No.
Feminist.
Is there a patriarchy?
To an extent, yeah.
To an extent?
Yeah?
Okay.
Same, yeah.
No.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Do I understand that?
Yes.
No.
Yeah.
Oh, there is a patriarchy.
Okay.
Yeah, thank goodness.
We may be different on this.
I reject that there's a patriarchy.
I reject the patriarchy, although there's people have different definitions of what that is.
Well, so those of you who said yes, so what is the patriarchy?
Well, the majority of things are just kind of innately built for men.
For men.
So some different examples, like the medical industry, a lot of things are first researched and tested on how they affect men.
So women don't always know what all the effects for them are going to be.
Well, can I give you two counterpoints on that really quick?
I know you want to list some other things.
So if I may.
One of the reasons that that is, there's actually three reasons.
So hold on.
Let me just make sure I remember them all.
Okay.
One, sometimes women don't know if they're pregnant.
So if you're testing some sort of new drug, for example, on a woman, and she's pregnant, and this drug has potentially could have birth defects, well, could cause birth defects, for example.
That's almost like an attempt to protect women and to protect unborn children, for example.
So that's one of the reasons why typically they'll do testing more so on men than women, is the risk to a potential unknown unborn child.
Do you think that's a fair thing?
That's reasonable.
Not necessarily, because I'm sure there's plenty of women who know for a fact they're not pregnant and shouldn't be excluded from research studies.
Sure, but that's one consideration.
The other consideration is that could it also be the case that men are more willing to participate in these sorts of studies where they're getting injected or pumped full of experimental drugs and women tend to have care a bit more about their health and are less willing to put their health at risk in a, you know, to test out some brand new drug.
That could be a factor, but I still don't see why that would prevent there from being enough research on women.
There still could be more done.
I agree.
Perhaps.
I feel like it has more to do with the fact that women are harder to predict with their hormones and the cycles.
That's the other thing, the impact of hormones.
Which is like, I can understand how that makes research harder, but at the same time, women are like half the population.
The other thing I wanted to just add to that is that, I mean, I could make a counter argument saying, well, when it comes to birth control, for example, there's like dozens of birth control options for women.
There's zero birth control options for men.
I mean, there's vasectomy, but that, I mean, I don't really.
My counter argument to that would be because birth control is unpleasant most of the time, and so the burden of it is placed on us.
If it were truly equal, then there would be just as many options for men as well.
Well, I think part of it is that it's it's if there was a birth control available for men, it would put a lot of reproductive control.
It would give men a substantial amount of reproductive control.
And it's interesting to me that there hasn't been one that's developed.
I would like for there to be one.
It would be nice if we all had options.
And also, my understanding is when it comes to being able to control reproduction, the mechanisms by which that's done vary so greatly between men and women.
You say, well, it would be uncomfortable for men, but it's much, and perhaps this is why there hasn't really been a development in men's birth control, is that it's actually far just easier to find mechanisms to control women's, you know, to provide birth control for women as compared to men.
The mechanism is far more difficult there.
And I've heard the drugs are much more impactful on men than their counterparts in women.
Okay.
I was going to say, let's not linger too long on that.
You had more examples of the patriarchy.
That's where we were going there.
So it's nothing too.
I'm not bringing up anything that's too deep or serious.
It's just examples of things that are kind of made with men as the default in mind.
Like cars, for example, impact in a crash is made with the survivability test done on male mannequins.
It's not really built for our bodies.
We're not quite as likely to survive.
Isn't that just the nature of a.
Oh, sorry.
Isn't that just the nature of a vehicle impact?
It doesn't have to be, though.
No, I mean, like, as a student of physics, it doesn't really matter what the object is.
Like, the impact is going to be like titties.
Like, did we got to give the mannequin titties?
I don't think so.
Yeah.
I do know what you're talking about.
Yeah.
I feel it.
Mostly it's just that impact, we have to do like a lot more adjustments for the car.
We have to lower the wheel way lower so that if we were to get impacted, it would hit our chest and not our face.
But you have the option to lower the wheel.
Which is so, I mean, like, but those advancements benefit both men and women.
Like, it's not the man's fault that he's more substantial, like, body-wise.
Like, I don't see, like, I guess, yeah, you could make an argument that it's not equal, that men are more or less fragile than women.
Yeah, that's true.
But, like, yeah, I just don't see how we can remedy that.
I think it was.
What's the system there that makes men less fragile than women?
I think it mostly has to do with like the height of stuff.
Like, I think that what you guys are saying is that it has like accommodations and stuff.
Because I haven't, like, actually, I've only heard about this.
I don't really know much about it to really comment on it.
But I think what you guys are talking about is that, like, for example, like the seatbelt has to like sit like a certain way.
But if you're like, like, usually you can adjust like the, you know, the part where it connects to the car.
But like, if you're, like, for me, at least, I am average height for a woman, and I still struggle to like adjust the seat and adjust like, you know, everything in the car to my height.
And, like, if I was any shorter, like, I don't know if I could really see that well over the steering wheel.
Stuff like that, that it's just, like, it's not really.
Well, I mean, I could make the same argument for short men.
I know.
Like, I mean, there are things, like, men experience, like, what about Shaq?
I mean, he has to buy specific cars.
Like, I can come up with examples as well.
Like, are we prejudiced against those men?
I think it's just on average, she's saying, like, just what's the matter?
Maybe he's most likely woman's fault to struggle with the menu.
I don't totally buy that.
I'm just saying, like, I think women are not.
Wait, so.
Yeah, I don't see it as a product of the patriarchy.
I just see it as a product of women being a little more fragile than men.
I want to jump in really quick back on the, like, you were saying, like, drug experiments were mostly.
It's not necessarily just drug, just medical experience.
So, your argument is there's evidence of a patriarchy because men are human guinea pigs?
Is that?
No, because a lot of these research that are done in that way are not necessarily in that kind of thing.
Well, you can make the argument that somehow, because it's more well-researched in men, that perhaps these medications, it's better understood their impact in men, which could ostensibly down the road have a negative impact in women because it wasn't studied enough.
However, if we're looking at the actual fact that men are the human guinea pigs for these experimental drug treatments, couldn't you make an opposite argument that men are so desperate for money that they're willing to go into these studies?
If the people designing the studies have to find the people they're doing the research on.
So they have to tell the public if they're looking for males or females.
So what if there's just less women who are willing to volunteer?
I doubt it.
Out of the whole world, I'm sure you can find women.
You know what I mean?
Like, I'm sure that if you're offering money, there's enough, there's going to be enough women to do it.
Do you think, let's, okay.
Are men or do you think men or women are more likely to be willing to maybe they're in a bind financially?
I don't think people are being human guinea pigs for like benevolent reasons.
I think they do it because they need money.
Yeah.
I don't think they're like, I want to help advance science.
Go inject me with this unknown thing.
I think they do it because they're desperate for money.
I'm also kind of interested.
I know like consumerism data for women, like the if you take 100% of people who consume things, 80% of that are women and 20% of that are men.
I wonder if that's the you could make that same comparison to the medical industry.
Like if 80% of the consumption in the medical industry is women and 20% men.
I know in consumerism, just in general, women consume 80% of the stuffs.
So if you could carry that over to the medical industry, it wouldn't make much sense that the medical industry is biasing all of their research towards men.
No, I don't know.
Maybe it is, but their consumer base, they know statistically is largely women.
It just doesn't make much sense to me.
I don't know.
Maybe there's like statistics to disprove that.
As I'm thinking through it, it just doesn't make too much sense.
No, yeah.
And what I think, I don't know if it's like women are purposely being discluded for, I don't even know for what reason.
What I'm saying is that I think that women are being discluded because they're harder to do research on because of the tracking, you know, it's like you'd have to put in more effort to somehow make all the, you know, take away the factors of hormones and cycles.
Right.
But to bring it back, so the original question was, I think, do we live under a patriarchy?
I was asking for a definition of what the patriarchy is, and you're kind of giving some examples.
So there's the car one, the human experimentation one.
So what is the patriarchy, I guess?
Well, what I originally said was just that things are originally made with just men as the blueprint, like the default idea when it should be for all of us.
Okay.
The two examples you provided seem to be a little bit niche.
Is there, what are some of the other examples of what a patriarchy is?
Well, for the longest time, until about someone could give me an exact date, but until more recently, education was kept from women.
Education was kept from women.
Okay.
Can I say something?
So a lot of people don't realize that we are really not a patriarchy because if you look in a lot of Middle Eastern countries, for example, Afghanistan, it's very much built around men.
That is truly a patriarchy.
Women can't drive.
Women can't go to school.
Women can't.
Actually, exactly what I was going to say.
You had something on women voting.
Yeah.
I don't think I agree with you, but go ahead, state your position.
I don't think women should be able to vote.
Hot take.
Wow.
With context, of course.
Because statistically, more women are Democrats.
And if you were to take away women's votes, it would be more leaning towards Republican conservative.
Yeah, conservative.
So you're conservative.
For the most part, I'm libertarian.
Okay, I see.
I actually hold that position.
I'm sorry, Brian.
You want to get rid of women's vote?
What are you, a radical?
You fucking extremist?
I mean, I'm not saying like radical extremists.
I just feel like it was a mistake.
Wait, what was the mistake?
I want to give my reasoning.
Giving women.
Because I say that, and I, yeah.
Hold on, let's let her give her reasoning for your reasoning.
Because if you think about it, by human nature, women were supposed to, biologically, are nurturers and caregivers for the family.
So by adding women to the workforce and giving them the right to vote, you're taking them away from their natural environment, which is being a mother, being a caregiver.
And that's, I feel like that's what's making society crumble right now because we're taking away from the nuclear family.
I completely disagree.
Do you guys agree with her?
She wants to take away your right to vote.
No.
A lot of women don't vote.
I ask a lot of women.
They say, no, I didn't vote.
So that's okay.
So that's okay, but that's their choice.
So then what's the point?
I think maybe, you know, instead of taking away women's right to vote, you know, because I mean, at the end of the day, we're also in this country, too.
There's not everybody.
I understand like the whole nuclear family and stuff, but now is just a time where we're working women.
Like we are involved in, you know, society and I'm just saying it shouldn't have happened.
I think women should vote, but hold on.
Let me add this.
I do think you guys got the vote a little unfairly.
Yeah.
Yeah, you guys get it was a little unfair how you got the vote because men, the way we got the vote is we were subject to military conscription.
Women were able to secure a right privilege to vote without any corresponding civil duty or responsibility to your country.
Yeah.
So I'm in favor of women voting.
You kind of sneaked it in a little bit, you know, whatever.
I think we should be able to, I think we should draft women.
Thoughts?
I think no one should be drafted.
It should be your own personal choice.
Women and men can be in the army, but it should be your choice.
Well, okay, so hold on.
So women can volunteer for the military.
Women can participate in the military.
Although there's okay, I'm not going to get into that.
There's differences there.
For example, okay, really quick.
The physical requirements to join the military are like really low.
Are way different for men and women, which is an inequality.
And being a soldier requires a certain degree of physical labor, being physically strong, whatever.
There's a certain standard there.
The same with police officers and firefighters.
Yet it's interesting to me that despite these jobs requiring some degree of physicality, there is a call.
For example, equal pay, it used to be equal pay for equal work.
Now it's just everyone.
Yeah.
But you know what I mean?
like for example if it takes three female police officers to subdue one male criminal versus it might take one or two male police officers to do the same job is it the same job is there a great well okay well okay I'm sorry I'm totally fucking derailing.
Sorry, the caffeine's fucking kicking in.
Hold on.
Wait, so okay.
Oh, right.
The military conscription.
You think we should do away with the draft?
Yeah, no one should be drafted.
But isn't that kind of like saying, well, war is bad?
There just shouldn't be war.
Well, I'm not going to say war is good, but I do believe it should be people's right to choose what they do.
And there's plenty of people who are willing to do it.
Well, yes, there's volunteers.
You know, this guy is volunteering to join the Air Force.
But I'll finish my question.
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Clowns on the left hand joke us to our hears us in middle stuck with you.
That's a song, I'm pretty sure.
Okay.
Stuck in the middle with you.
So, okay.
War is bad.
Get it.
I totally get it.
But practically speaking, is it conceivable that there could be some scenario where a draft would be required?
I think there could be a scenario where that happens.
And I don't think it, like, let's just be totally blunt, practical here.
The draft is never going away.
So assuming that, do you think it, assuming that it's never going to be politically possible to get rid of the draft, do you then think, as a matter of equality, that women should be subject to military conscription?
I just don't believe that should ever be forced.
If no one's volunteering, then other means should be found.
Other means?
Well, okay.
But just try to engage with the question here.
So assuming that getting rid of the draft is politically impossible, it just will never happen, engage with me there.
Do you think then, for the sake of equality, that women should be subject to military conscription just as men are?
Would that still need to happen if the world leaders themselves just fought each other?
Just try to engage with the question.
We get it, draft bad, war bad.
I mean, I guess in that very specific scenario.
What do you mean that?
Have to be both?
You mean the scenario that is currently in?
That's actually the case.
But that's not the case.
In our current scenario, plenty of people are willing to volunteer.
In our current scenario, the draft is in place.
Should, and all men, when they turn 18 and register to vote, they have to register for the draft.
I did it.
Every man I know has done it.
Women have, no women do it.
They don't have to.
So in our current situation, would it be, since the right to vote came with military conscription, all of these other things, the right to vote was given to men as a privilege for all of those things that they would do for their country?
Like they get a say in the political comings and goings of America.
Do you think since we want to pursue equality, women should also, for that privilege, be required to meet those same standards?
For the privilege of voting, you're saying?
Yes.
Yes.
But I think the question was more so directed to you.
If it's in exchange for being able to vote, meaning from both sides, if you weren't signed up for the draft, you couldn't vote, then sure.
Okay, so you're in favor of women being subject to military conscription?
In those simple terms, no, but in the scenario where you need to in order to vote.
Well, but so the current, the current way it is, is that there is a selective service for men to be able to vote.
They have to register for the selective service.
Are subject to a potential military conscription should the need arise.
Women are exempt from this.
This occurs to me to be an inequality between men and women.
And if I recall, I believe you stated you were a feminist, correct?
Which, if I can be most charitable in my definition of feminism, and this is actually not how I define feminism, but if I just am charitable here and say that feminism is fighting for equality between men and women, then shouldn't you, as a feminist, be in favor of equalizing this?
Yes, and though we can't, like, if we were to go through my preferred route, my version of equalizing it is no one has to be drafted.
If that's not an option, sure.
Everyone.
It's not possible, though, to get rid of the draft.
But why is that not possible?
It's okay.
So there's just certain national security reasons why that could never be possible.
And I would argue, even if, even if we did get rid of the draft, in a scenario where a draft was necessary, I would suspect that Congress would just pass a law or there would be martial law, which would just force men into the military anyways.
So even if we politically got rid of it, some future Congress would just get reverse it.
Or there would be martial law and they'd be like, under martial law, they can suspend some of your rights and they'd just force men into the military anyways.
Or women too.
But mostly the men.
Yeah.
So it's just, there's not a scenario, like, and somebody could probably speak better on this, but there's just certain like realities when it comes to warfare.
Who knows?
There could be a fucking alien conflict.
Bro, we're getting fucking drafted if the aliens come.
The zombies come, bro.
I'm out there.
You're going to be out there in the streets doing some walking dead shit.
Fucking katana.
Sorry, I spit there a little bit.
Fucking katanaing.
You know?
Show me your katana slice.
Do it.
Oh, no.
No, okay, okay.
I'll say that there's no country that's peaceful enough to not have a draft at all.
Also, yeah, when it comes to that, I'd argue we're fucking closer to some like global military conflict than I think at any point in the past 30 years.
Ukraine, what's going on in Ukraine, what's going on in the Middle East, the fucking, there's economic, there's like various civil uprisings in various countries.
There's fucking inflation.
Like, shit, it's a little chaotic right now.
Shit's a little chaotic right now.
I'll give you one example with Ukraine, for example.
I don't believe that feminism can actually exist when there's a military conflict.
So in Ukraine, all the men had to stay in the country.
I believe it was from the ages of 18 to 60.
If you're a man, you could not leave the country.
The women could just dip.
And I've pulled up this image.
We're not going to pull it up, but it's this really interesting comparison when it comes to like, I often hear these terms, male privilege, blah, blah, blah.
So you have screenshots of women, Ukrainian women who are on dating apps because they were able to flee and go to Stockholm and the UK and Paris, wherever they went.
And they were just partying it up, living their life on dating apps, getting fucked.
And then the Ukrainian men who had no choice for that, bro, there's video.
The comparison photo is them like dead.
Dead bodies.
It's like such a contrast.
So there's also no male privilege.
Does anyone want to bite on that?
Yeah.
There is no male privilege.
No male privilege.
The privilege comes up in totality.
Which would be that problem.
Let's go.
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In honor of Trans Day, what is stopping a man to identify as a woman to dodge the draft?
Please ask the use any pronoun you want.
Actually, hold on.
There is something on this.
So, first off, I want to do a cheers to Easter.
He is risen.
Nick, if you can actually pull up the social, oh my God, I'm blanking.
Sorry, the Selective Service System website.
It's like SS, you can Google it.
Actually, it's by sex.
So you can't get out of it by transitioning.
So, Nick, can you scroll up a little bit or make it bigger?
My bad.
I'm just really curious on this really quick.
Can you go to registration and just don't click it?
Just see the drop-down.
Other one?
Oh, click it, I guess.
Scroll down.
Who needs to register?
Benefits.
Also, we could do benefits and penalties.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I'll put it on the other side.
I remember disabled.
Scroll down.
Transgender people.
Okay, that's fine.
Just click on that one.
Yeah, they have a.
They've been asked this question a few times.
Wait.
Click it?
Scroll down.
It's probably some weird jump thing.
Yeah.
Scroll down.
Go all the way to the bottom.
Scroll down.
There it is.
Yeah, there we go.
Make it.
Who are assigned male at birth and change their gender to female are still required to register.
Individuals who are assigned female at birth and change their gender to male are not required to register.
Damn.
So even if, even if you, there's not a loophole there.
You can't do it.
So it's maybe working for prisons, but when push comes to shove, biology, everyone recognizes it.
It doesn't matter what people in the government say.
They recognize biology.
It doesn't matter.
I think it's just like they're trying to get rid of a loophole.
Like, I think that is like the major thing.
Wait, they're trying to get rid of a loophole.
Because it's like, if you don't want to be drafted, what's stopping you from identifying as a woman?
Besides how others perceive you?
But if you really don't want to be drafted, like I feel like a lot of men would do that.
So they're trying to prevent that because they can see that happening.
I don't know if it really means that they agree with any viewpoint necessarily, but I think that's what it is.
It is interesting, though, that that is the federal government's position on the state.
They would still force a female who got the transition to go, or not a female, sorry, a male who transitioned to a female.
They would force a female.
They would force him to go to war regardless of his feelings.
Clearly.
Because the government doesn't care.
Wait, is this transphobic?
When push comes to shove?
I thought that was a woman.
The government does not care.
For me, this kind of relates to the whole sports topic, too.
What the fuck, Joe Biden?
That's what I'm saying.
Bro, Joe.
It relates to the sports.
It's just like there could be a loophole there.
Politicians will say whatever they have to say to appease the public so they can get re-elected.
So they can make people say, oh, they are so holy.
Like, they're so good.
They care for my feelings.
There's no good politicians.
I do have one question really quick on the war thing, starting with you.
Who would you say are the.
Are men.
Hold on, let me do it.
We'll do split.
Are men or women the primary victims of war?
I feel like it depends on the angle you look at it because certainly more men are in the battles, but when it comes to civilians who are well, it's just different kinds of violence are faced by each group.
It's not really that one is worse than the other.
It's just very different.
You agree?
Because if you're talking about men going to war, they're going to be the primary victims.
But you're talking about civilian casualties.
Women are very likely almost guaranteed to be raped if they're going to be killed by soldiers.
Not Americans.
Yeah, don't use that.
Well, okay.
I'm sorry.
I don't think it's a guarantee that it's history.
It's terrible.
One, it's terrible.
And two, yes, it absolutely happens.
Does it happen to every woman?
No.
And I think in more modern conflicts, it's far less likely because at least amongst like more developed nations, there's protocols when it comes to war crimes and war crimes.
the genie of a convention it still happens it absolutely probably still happens but you what's that Thank you so much.
Yeah, that's fine.
That's fine.
We'll come.
Gustavo, if you take her seat, we will try to wrap up here pretty soon.
I do appreciate you coming and being able to stay a little bit longer.
Thank you.
Gustavo is going to take her seat.
We're going to try to wrap up.
I promise, guys, we're going to try to wrap up here very, very soon.
But so you're saying, okay, so I 100% agree.
Like, when it comes to warfare, that there is increased, certainly an increased risk, a disproportionality when it comes to SA.
Oh, you got dead?
No, that's fine.
That's fine.
That's fine.
I'm going to see you on the second interview.
We'll see you next guys Tuesday.
We got Taytay, and then we got some big stuff coming.
We got some big stuff coming.
Gustavo, just take her seat.
And guys, we are going to wrap up here very soon.
What was I saying?
Oh.
But okay, let's say, for example, like World War II.
Let's look at World War II, right?
So, okay, World War II.
If I concede that, say, there were a million SAs during World War II, I don't know what the actual number is.
Is that and is that a bigger grievance?
I mean, I don't think you can really compare.
You know, I think it's just such like a terrible thing.
Well, no, let's actually play a game of comparison.
So let's say that there were 20 million, let's say the male military deaths were exclusively male, and there were 20 million of them.
But there were 100 or excuse me, 1 million women who were essayed.
SA's terrible thing.
Which is worse?
Well, I feel like you could also argue that having to live with that trauma after that happened to you and then even potentially losing male members of your family or even maybe like your husband or something, like that position could be far more.
Women having to kind of pick up the scraps of just what the country's left to.
Especially during World War II when so many people, so many men died and women had to join the, well, especially World War I, I would say.
Here, let me so I'm gonna just state the question again.
And how about we start, we'll do different conflicts.
Let's start with World War I, right?
I believe there were 20 million military casualties.
Maybe, I'm not precise in my numbers.
World War II, there were more military casualties, more civilian casualties.
Both wars, absolutely catastrophic.
Going around the table, Were men or women the primary victims of World War I?
In World War I, maybe the men, because women's rights were actually advancing at the time.
I don't totally understand.
Who's the men?
Men.
I would say men.
Men.
Okay.
How about World War II?
So were men or women the primary victims of World War II?
Are we accountable?
Hold on, we're just starting here.
And it could be some of the Japanese camps.
Like, I think that was also another moment.
Were men or women the primary victims of World War II?
Go ahead.
I feel like that one might be more of an equal split.
Equal split?
Yeah.
Okay.
So, okay.
I'll say men, and I'll elaborate on that a little bit.
I mean, as far as violence and stuff, it's got to be the men.
And even how you just mentioned Japanese camps and stuff.
In the Philippines, my grandma grew up during World War II and stuff.
And her father was literally beheaded.
Right.
It's just that kind of stuff that happens.
Men.
I'll say men.
Men.
But.
Because you were saying something about the camps in Japan or something.
That was me.
Yeah, I was just adding on that, and honestly, more to men suffering just because they got captured or just, you know, the men that were in those camps.
I think that was its own kind of torture, too.
They were literally tortured.
Yeah, no, no, 100%.
I'm just saying compared to SA.
I think certainly bad things happen to women civilians during war.
Yeah.
That's not what I'm talking about.
It's terrible for everybody.
Yeah, 100%.
Yeah, sorry.
War is terrible for everybody involved.
But if you have to play the comparison game, men are overwhelmingly the primary way less survival rate.
Well, it's like they suffer the largest amount of consequences for war.
So what was the point of that question?
Well, I don't know.
You're talking about patriarchy.
We're talking about patriarchy and then the draft.
Like male privilege.
This misogynist said that she's against women voting.
What a freaking radical over here.
I just wish it didn't happen.
You wish that I would not work.
I think work at home.
I think women should vote.
Would you feel differently if we were drafted?
Also, I'm not trying to get canceled.
Wait, but okay.
Hold on, let's do a few more conflicts here.
Vietnam?
Are men or women the primary victims of Vietnam, the Vietnam War?
I don't know that much about the Vietnam War.
I do know a lot of civilians suffered during that as well.
And I do know at that time the draft was only men.
And a lot of men died.
And a lot of people who come back from that war say that it felt like it was all for nothing.
That's true.
That's true.
So it's maybe men?
Okay, let's do something more recent here.
Last one.
Why am I the only one answering?
Okay, unless you guys want to do the Vietnam one, we can...
Men. Men.
I just, yeah.
Okay.
Okay, last one.
The Ukraine war.
Are men or women the primary victims of the Ukraine war?
That feels like It's a bit more equal because everyone who is a civilian is being equally shot at.
Errone!
Erroneous!
I mean, you're talking about the people who are still actively there.
Hold on.
Okay, but so let's just assume that you're right, that there's equality when it comes to equality.
Between there's an equal amount of civilian casualties between men and women in the Ukraine conflict.
Let's assume that.
I actually don't think that's the case.
I would suspect that actually male civilians are much more likely to be dispatched as compared to the women.
I already told you that the women were allowed to leave.
If you were a woman, you could leave the country.
All the men, civilian, military, you had to stay.
A lot of male civilians in Ukraine have been drafted into the war.
But if I give you that the civilian deaths are equal between men and women in the Ukraine conflict, but all the military deaths, or even let's say 95% of the military deaths are men, and 5% of the military deaths are women, is it still equal?
No. Checkmate.
I mean, it's not really, like, people can change their mind.
I'm not, like, oh, okay.
It's not a matter of who gets like is most right or whatever.
Well, because when I asked the question, you said it's equal.
I don't know that much about these wars.
Oh.
It's hard to make these judgment calls with very limited information.
Sure.
Okay.
Interesting.
Did you guys answer on the Ukraine one?
No.
No, but say probably the men again.
Men, definitely.
Sure, men.
Men.
Yeah.
Now, do you doubt the claim that I made about women being allowed to leave the country?
I don't doubt it.
Okay.
Yeah.
They were able to leave the country.
Men had to stay.
Many of them got drafted into the military.
So for shizzle?
For shizzle.
For shizzle.
A shizzle?
War always effing sucks, okay?
Like, regardless, literally.
So should we draft women?
I think that's what that stems from.
I don't know.
We're talking about the patriarchy.
Okay, last few questions on the patriarch.
Under the patriarchy, are women oppressed?
Going around the table?
I think there are some things that aren't great.
I don't really know if there's anything exactly under the law that oppresses us.
Sure.
Wait, last thing on the military thing, because I didn't really give an actual counterpoint.
I'll just say this.
For every single military conflict that there's ever been throughout all of human history, men have been and will be the primary victims of war in every instance.
There's no military conflict that's ever occurred where women have ever been the primary victims of war.
It's unfortunate, but true.
Wait, you'd prefer you want to.
No, I'm saying anyone dying.
Yes, war's bad.
Do you disagree?
I don't know enough about historical conflicts to say otherwise, but I'm not going to necessarily say that either.
Okay, earlier when we were talking about the patriarchy and you were talking about, well, here's the evidence of the patriarchy and the world is made for the benefit of men.
I've provided you major military conflicts in the 20th century.
Wait, let me just make sure.
20th century.
Yeah, I almost fucked that up.
World War I, World War II, the most brutal wars that ever existed, where tens of millions of men were killed, died.
Bad things happened to women too, but not to the extent that men were negatively impacted.
When we're talking about, and we're talking about patriarchy here, you mentioned something about, well, crash test dummies, gender, and medical testing.
I didn't mention earlier that those were just surface-level issues.
Right.
But like, I'm seeking, like, okay, what's the what would be like a significant grievance, right?
And it's like, well, if the world is made for the benefit of men, is it though?
Well, patriarchy can also harm men.
That patriarchy is part of why the draft is only men.
Well, so you're you think if societies were in terms of leadership positions, if they were occupied by women, there would be less warfare?
I don't know if that's exactly how that would happen.
I feel like it depends on the individual themselves, not whether or not they're a boy or a girl.
Well, if I told you that there was a study of monarchs and they compared queens to kings and they actually found, they did this study, they actually found that queens were more war-hungry than kings were, and queens were much more likely to wage war than their male counterparts.
I think that could be more for the reason that women felt that they had to establish themselves and that they were already hold on.
The monarch, the monarch, monarchs, yes, you mean the authority, the top authority?
Yes, yes.
Listen, because they have to prove themselves, yes, because you mean the queen, no, no, no queen or king has to prove themselves, they do, they have ultimate authority off of his head, they have ultimate authority, but they have advisors and they have people that can rebel against them.
Who's the French king who said, Let ce moi?
Probably one of the Louis.
Henry VIII.
I think it was one of the Louis.
I am the state.
Oh, that's Louis XVI.
The state is me.
Let's moi.
Look, monarchs had substantial power.
Yeah, but I'm going to say that usually monarchs were men.
Wait, so you're saying the queens wanted to like impress the lads?
No, but I think they had to be more to be taken seriously, I think, by the general population, also like of their yeah, because yes, a monarch has all the power, but really they didn't need to be taken seriously.
No, because they have to establish themselves so that there's not a rebellion.
In an age where the most important thing to every single person in the country was, am I going to be able to feed my family?
They could care less.
Sorry, they could not care less what the position of the female monarch was.
Okay.
So how about the advisors, the nobles, the nobles that had all the money and influence?
They would care.
Well, they see a weak monarch and they're going to go somehow against that monarch.
So with neighboring kingdoms, they would see a potentially weaker.
100%.
I think it's definitely more complex than you're making.
It's usually generally the case that female leadership does not understand the innate drive for protection that men find natural.
That's just a natural feeling.
Well, okay, if women are so caring and maternal, how can they not understand the protection?
If they know how if they have this innate drive to protect their kids, how can they not understand the protection of people?
It's the innate drive to nurture their children.
It's the father's innate drive to protect his family.
Like, if there is an armed shooter in your house, the man's the one who's going to go stop the conflict.
He's the one who's like, I am obligated to protect my family.
But if the shooter were to turn to the kid, the mom would definitely step in front.
I think it just happens to be a lot of fun.
It's not her initial reaction.
It's usually.
She probably thinks, you know, but it's because she thinks that she can't help as much.
The man thinks that I'm the strongest one, so I'm obligated.
I think that that is what a man would think.
Well, when it comes to leadership positions, that's why women tend to be more aggressive.
Not, okay, I can't say that's exactly why.
I'm just theorizing right now.
I am too.
So my theory is that women will tend to bash all other opposing forces because they feel a sense of unable to protect themselves.
So they are more likely to confront other people that are going to be against their position.
And so I guess my argument would be they feel that they are unable to protect themselves because they feel that they have something to prove and they feel like already at a disadvantage and like they're not being taken seriously.
Which I think especially maybe right now, you know, a woman as president would I think she would be as power hungry.
And if she was, maybe that would disprove my theory.
But I think right now there wouldn't be as much of a need.
But in the time when women weren't allowed to vote, when they were not given during when there were monarchs, I'm not talking about the current monarchs because what if I told you during that period where there's monarchs in most of Europe, actually men didn't have the right to vote either.
Nobles, noblemen though, but they owned property.
So okay, but they didn't vote.
So like 0.001% of men had the right to vote.
Okay, but men were the property owners.
Men were the ones that had, like, I mean, okay.
But that's not a gender thing.
That's a power thing.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But, okay, well, you agree with me that men at that time had more power and more say than women with owning property, with rights.
Yeah, they were with their decisions.
The leaders, sure.
Yes, okay.
That's fine.
I don't, I don't.
I agree to that.
Well, hold on.
Actually, I do have to provide a bit of pushback because this is an apex fallacy here.
So I would argue that, you know, for this, this patriarchy really only benefits men at The top, your average man, which is the vast majority of men, or below average men, I would argue, struggle more than their female counterparts.
With what?
A great many things.
With what?
Life.
A great many things.
Like what?
It's not clear to me if you compare the average man to the average woman that he is substantially advantaged over her simply by virtue of his gender.
In fact, we can do sort of almost the reverse of the apex fallacy, which is looking at the what feminists tend to do is they look at, well, men have the best, most optimum positions,
but you also fail to look at the counterside to that, which is while men do, I will admit, there is a greater proportion of men who occupy the most quote-unquote desirable positions in society or they have the most power in society, which is again a very small proportion of men.
A much larger proportion of men, as compared to women, occupy the absolute worst positions in society.
And you don't hear much about equality on that front.
For example, the fact that 80% of homeless are men.
If you walk down the street, actually, if you look out that window right there, and if you look outside, there's a homeless man in the rain.
Well, he's covered, he's under an awning, but it's a homeless man.
You walk past a homeless person, typically tends to be a man.
There's a whole bunch of other things, for example, incarceration.
Men are much more.
I mean, crime is a different discussion.
I think you're confusing correlation with causation because I think that, yes, those me, I don't, I honestly don't know if that's all completely true.
I haven't done my own research on men being worse off than women in everything.
Wait, so are you saying that, well, when men occupy positions of power, that's some privilege that is just bestowed upon them and there's no merit to their achievement.
But when there's a negative, some sort of negative life scenario for a man, well, that has nothing to do with his gender.
But when there's a benefit, 100% has to do with the gender.
When there's a negative, absolutely no correlation.
Okay, so first of all, I didn't say anything about people or men about.
Okay, hold on.
Let's go back.
Make your point.
Okay, so I didn't say that had nothing to do with gender.
I just was going to say that it is for different reasons than you might say.
Like, for example, men being worse off could be more due to mental health and their unwillingness to go get help, especially for homelessness, which is usually a lot of mental illness.
I think women are going to be more inclined to get to go to therapy just because of stigma.
You think therapy is what's preventing men from not being homeless?
Is that the solution to homelessness?
No, but that's one solution.
I'm just saying that, you know.
I don't think even one, there's, I don't think there's there.
I think mental illness is a huge thing that is over.
I think it can.
I think therapy is really good, but you think a mental illness that is substantial enough to result in a man being homeless is going to be resolved by therapy.
No.
What I'm saying is that people with mental illnesses, before they get to the point of homelessness, should seek help because they can't manage their life on their own, which causes them to be homeless.
That's usually very severe mental illness as it relates to homelessness.
But, okay, okay.
There's also drug use.
I think there's a drug use.
And that also relates to mental illness, too.
People, I mean, I would say that I've met a lot of what I'm saying is you can't equate it all to men somehow being at a disadvantage in society.
But hold on.
So, of all the positive life outcomes that allegedly, disproportionately men are the beneficiaries of, well, that's evidence of sexism against women and the patriarchy.
But when there's negative life circumstances or outcomes for men, well, hold on.
No, that's men's fault.
There's no discrimination towards men.
There's nothing, you know.
Is that that's your argument?
Okay, how are you?
Okay, let's go.
Let's backtrack because how because I think you're kind of nitpicking my argument a bit and then kind of making assumptions.
How do you think that men are disadvantaged in our society to end up homeless?
What do you think causes that?
Sure.
I mean, there's a whole bunch of reasons.
The homelessness thing is very complicated.
There's a whole bunch of reasons how someone can end up homeless.
I would argue, for example, though, is women when it comes to shelters, women are much more likely to end up getting shelter.
When it comes to homeless people who are like, because there's different categorizations of homelessness, when you see homeless people who are, I think the term is living rough.
So that's like when you see them on the street, they're sleeping outside.
That's living rough, right?
That's even of the people that are homeless, that's even greater, that's a greater proportion of men.
So you're asking me what are the reasons precipitating homelessness more likely impacting men?
Yeah, because you're equating it to being caused by their gender.
Like their gender is causing them to be worse.
There are simply more social safety nets afforded to women than there are men.
Like our society just generally likes women more than they like men.
Like only women and children are loved unconditionally.
Men have to earn it.
Like men are not loved by society unless they provide certain kind of value.
Generally in our society, women are praised, loved, adored, regardless of what they produce or provide.
So in the case of homelessness, like if a man can't provide, well, sucks to be that guy.
He should just work or work on himself.
But if a woman can't provide for herself, how can we help her to make sure that she stays off the streets?
That's generally the attitude people will have.
That's the attitude that our systems have.
I'd say there's definitely an attitude like that when women have kids.
I think that's when women are caretakers.
I think that is definitely the attitude.
But as far as homelessness goes, I mean, I just think that's like the public, you know, it's like there's a public education that is afforded to men and women.
Okay, so that is where everyone starts off.
So, so how does one go from being having access to education to being homeless or in-house higher education?
It could.
It could.
Well, I mean, then we have to also look at the fact that, for example, more women go to college.
There are more scholarships available for women.
And women get more.
I think it's like 60-40.
So I mean, that's a discrepancy.
But that's obviously.
Is that evidence of sexism?
Because when it was that way in the past, when there were more men going to college than women, that was assumed to just be some sexism.
It was.
You talked to any woman that grew up in that time.
What time?
The time when they weren't, like, when it was hard to go to college, when the ratio was so off.
Like, I have talked to one of my great-grandma's friends, and so she was, I think, in biology, and she had gone to college and was looking for work.
And she was just talking about it.
It was really hard because men didn't take you seriously.
You, like, men didn't want, you either weren't allowed or weren't accepted in that sphere.
And so to say, to compare that to now is just a very, very weird and doesn't make sense comparison.
We've eliminated that now.
Well, actually, we've gone so far in the opposite direction that we are like companies are now instituting policies where if you hire like 10 men, you also have to hire 10 women.
So it's like, it's not, are these women qualified?
Hey, we have to fix our, we have to fix our atrocities in the past to make up for those.
Therefore, we have to hire underqualified people to do a job that they're not ready for.
And so I'm not saying I agree with that.
I'm saying that to say that the switch up and compare the circumstances now to the past, it just isn't the same because now women are, I will agree, are in some cases being given more opportunities than men.
In some cases, not all.
And in the past, it was just very severe.
I think now it's just like you have, it's kind of almost like I think a certain side is trying to make up for the lost time that women didn't spend in college, which I don't agree with.
I think it should be completely equal now.
Well, I guess tying it all back to the original question of patriarchy.
How is that evidence of patriarchy currently?
Well, that wasn't my argument.
Well, okay, that's fair, but like, I guess, depending on how you define patriarchy, but how is that evidence of male privilege today?
Okay.
Yeah.
I guess that's if we're tying it back into that subject.
So were you talking about male privilege or patriarchy?
Some people conflate those.
So, okay, I don't.
I think patriarchy exists.
I think it's just the way that we are organized, especially with nuclear families.
You know, that's like a smaller way of looking at it.
Just the way our government's set up.
Does it mean it's bad?
No.
I think a matriarchy is more community-based with the women kind of making the decisions as a group with equally.
And in comparison, patriarchy is usually like one leader, maybe with like, you know, kind of more of a pyramid.
Now, with male privilege, I'm sure there is male privilege, and we could talk about the specifics of male privilege, but I think it has to do mostly just the way that men see other men in comparison to women.
I think that is going to be the primary aspect of male privilege.
There's probably other little subgroups, but I think that when women talk about male privilege is when you're going into an atmosphere where you're supposed to be educated, you're supposed to have these qualifications, and the people that are judging you on those qualifications are men.
They are probably going to be more inclined to think that men have those qualifications.
And even if they have the same qualifications, the way that a man kind of presents himself maybe could factor into it too.
But I think that men are more inclined to respect other men over women.
Yeah, I think it hurts that.
Actually, they've done studies on this.
And so what you said was men are inclined to view men as they're going to respect them more.
And that could be that they think they're more qualified.
They think they're smarter.
They think they're more capable.
They think that they're a better leader.
Well, so they did a study on this, and I don't know if it was within the context of the workplace.
It might have been more of a general thing.
So it might not really be related to work.
But what they found was that actually, so women have a very strong, fairly strong, in-group bias for other women, and men have a slight out-group bias for women.
What does it relate to?
I'm not entirely sure.
Because I think that really could be more of a general social sense of it.
I'd have to look at the study to give you exactly what they were looking at, but it does seem to be that women have a decently strong in-group bias.
Men have an out-group bias for women, like a favorable thing.
Women like women, men tend to like women.
No one likes men more than women.
Pretty much.
I don't know about in the workplace.
I think I can see that maybe in a social setting.
I think, especially, women do have a bias towards other women just because I think, I mean, I don't know.
Like, I can just, yeah, just, it feels more safe.
There's just a little bit of a community.
And maybe.
It feels more safe.
It feels more safe.
Isn't that a bit of a sexist statement to make?
No.
What are you trying to say?
Are men unsafe?
Is that?
Yeah.
I feel unsafe.
I can feel unsafe around men.
I don't think that is.
You can feel that way, but isn't it a bit of a sexist statement to the biggest danger to me?
Men?
Men are the biggest danger to you?
Not men.
In a day-to-day sense.
In a day-to-day sense.
If there was a woman, a stranger, a woman walking around.
Criminals are a threat to you.
Yes.
But it's not clear if men are a threat to you.
Men because they possess the ability to incapacitate me.
I think that is the reason that I would feel unsafe, even if they wouldn't.
I have a question for you on that.
If we were to replace men with a racial group, would it be racist to say what you just said?
Oh my gosh.
I don't think it would be.
Would it be racist?
Just replace men with a racial group.
Would that be a racist thing to say?
I'm scared of ex-racial group.
Because statistically they're more violent and aggravated.
Yeah, I think you're twisting my words.
I'm not twisting.
No, I'm not twisting it.
Because, okay, what I'm saying is that I'm saying that.
I'm giving you a hypothetical.
Answer the question.
Hold on.
Answer the question.
Hold on.
Answer the question.
Is this race stronger than me?
Like, do they have a history of abusing women?
Like, it's just like, there's just all these factors that I'm talking about that are related to men and not a race.
So it's kind of hard to.
Engage with the hypothetical.
Yeah, I'm trying to, but it's so hypothetical.
That same scenario can be.
Devoid of any evidence.
Let's just say you changed men to a racial group.
Would it be a racist statement to say that X racial groups?
I'm scared of X racial groups faster, stronger.
I think that has been done in the past, but I think it's sexist.
So then it must be sexist.
No, what I'm talking about to fear for your safety.
I think she's saying, like, are you kidding me?
Like, going outside, walking down the street, you're going to be more scared of a man on the street than a woman, regardless if he's a criminal or not.
I don't know.
I don't think it's racist.
You know what?
This is here.
This is going to be my main point.
What's your main point?
The reason that it's scary to be around men in some, you know, like the reason that I would feel more unsafe around men is because I don't know what they are capable of.
And a man can never have been to jail, but could have could, and so not maybe not be classified as a criminal in the legal sense, but he could still pose a risk to me because he can't be predictable.
Okay, so make that same exact statement and replace it with a racial group.
Does that statement become racist?
I don't know.
Well, it's I just think that's like you're different thing as well.
I think it's different.
And I think it's like I don't think it's different.
I don't think it's that different.
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A matriarchy would just look like a group of women deciding where to direct male bodies.
Effort and suffering to achieve human endeavors if we are being honest.
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Thank you for your TTS.
Appreciate it.
You mentioned when you go out into the street, you feel unsafe.
I'm saying, no, I was using that as an example.
I'm sorry.
I'm moving on from the racial thing.
But you say when you go out into the street, like you feel unsafe.
Because you're a woman.
When you're around men, you feel less safe than if you were around women.
Okay, yes.
Because around women, there is a sense of community.
I think maybe you just don't understand what I'm saying because you guys are men.
But like, if I'm going out, if I'm going to a bar- Wait, we don't understand what you're saying because we're men?
Because you haven't experienced.
That's a bit of a sexist statement.
I'm still sexist right there.
Okay, no.
It's not just sexist.
We don't know what you guys experience because you guys are naturally protective and we wouldn't know that.
I didn't say that to her.
Okay, well, no.
Okay, what I'm saying is you guys don't have the experience, and so you might not understand the experience of walking outside of causally being raised to look out for yourself.
Well, actually, actually, most violent crime is perpetrated against men.
It's men on men.
So actually, statistically, men should be more scared of going outside than women.
Men are more likely to be victims of violent crime.
I like that one question.
Who are you afraid of, though?
Yeah.
Do you guys ever feel unsafe when you go outside and walk by yourself?
Statistically, more than you.
Do you feel like you're doing by women?
Is really the question.
Yes.
Not have you, do you?
Yes.
Do you on a regular basis feel unsafe when you're walking by yourself?
Because maybe, okay, maybe that's just you two, but I just don't think that that is a common experience with men.
I think also women are raised to fear for themselves and to not put themselves in scenarios where they could be taken advantage of by men.
At least maybe that's how I was raised by my parents, but my parents have always warned me that men cannot be trusted and you have to be careful.
Men cannot be trusted.
That's a rather sexist thing for your mom to have taught you.
But it's not, like, statistically, like...
You just...
Well, hold on.
Okay.
Explain to me.
If this helps you here.
Wait, wait, wait.
Hold on.
Let me just make my point.
Explain to me how the following statement is not sexist.
Men are not to be trusted.
Okay.
No, Answer the question.
What?
How is that not sexist?
How is that not just.
Men can't be.
Okay, like anyone can't be trusted, but the point they're making is that men can't be trusted and they could use that against you.
Hold on, let me ask you as a menu.
Let me ask you a man maybe would be a different thing.
If I could protect you.
If I were to say women can't be trusted, is that a sexist statement?
I would just be like, okay, I don't know.
Is it a sexist statement?
I don't think so.
I think that's the opinion.
I think it's just like sexist opinion.
I don't, I don't know.
Women cannot be.
Okay.
You're trying to make me put me into a loophole.
Or not a loophole.
Not a loophole.
I'm not.
Yeah, I forget I said that.
You're trying to make me sound sexist by asking me these hypotheticals.
It's not.
I'm.
I.
Okay, hold on, because I don't think that there's like a reason why we need to classify this as being sexist.
She's talking about like a bad thing.
That's the name of the game for feminists.
Classists.
No, not.
Did I even say I was a feminist?
Like, you're just making.
We're talking about the patriarchy.
That's a feminist conspiracy theory.
Yes, conspiracy theory.
It's a feminist conspiracy theory.
Yes.
If I'll be charitable, it's a feminist.
Thank you, Kyle.
I'm not against guns, actually.
So I was about to say that.
Thank goodness we have a Second Amendment right to make sure that women cannot be taken advantage of by men so easily.
But I think ignoring the fact that women do feel unsafe when they're walking outside, like at night by themselves, whatever, I don't think that that's an issue that can be ignored and just be chalked up to be like, oh, but that's sexist.
Okay, and actually, this is, we completely derailed from my point.
I had just mentioned that women feel unsafe, and that was why women kind of grouped together.
If I was just paranoid about, I'm trying to think of an example here of like a counterpoint.
If I was just paranoid about all women being gold diggers and this was like a concern of mine, would that not be a sexist position?
No.
All women are gold diggers.
All women are all you want from me is my money.
I think that's resources.
I think it's just a stupid statement.
That's also not going to cause you physical harm.
Okay, you're saying, okay, because you're saying by grouping women all together.
Okay.
I think you're saying that I think all men are bad.
That is not the statement I'm making.
I'm saying the statement I'm making is a generalization that all men can be bad.
Not that they are bad.
So you're saying can all women be bad?
Yes, 100%.
But the point I'm also making is that men have the ability physically.
Okay.
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When I walk to the grocery store, I have keys between my finger if I need a weapon to punch a man in the face.
When I approach a woman in the bar, I have to choose my words carefully to not get arrested.
That is so dramatic.
Are you kidding me?
Nickelodeon, you're fucking legendary.
What words are you saying that's going to get you arrested today?
Okay, so remember when earlier we were talking about like jobs, right?
Police jobs and stuff?
Women, if it was to be three women trying to take down one man versus one man trying to take down another man, we have to take stuff like that into consideration.
Okay, yeah, maybe it is a little bit sexist if girls are just like, oh, you know, like we're afraid to walk on the street because of men.
Why are you guys afraid to walk on the street?
Because you feel like a group of girls is going to come up and punch you in the face.
I mean, look at what's going on in New York right now.
You have literally one punch man running around and punching girls, like, just cuz.
But that's the kind of stuff that we have to deal with.
You know, that shit really happens.
Yeah, but so generally speaking, well, not even generally speaking, if bystanders watch a woman being physically assaulted, they will step in.
Men will step in and make sure it is stopped.
When the reverse when the reverse is happening, people just ignore it.
If a woman is beating on a man, like they just ignore it.
Call the place for domestic abuse, actually.
That is just not true, though.
Like experiments have been done.
Social experiments have been done.
And women don't know.
And maybe that is a societal bias because towards women.
Because society thinks that if the man really wanted to defend himself at all.
They're all fall back into the original topic.
Yeah, seriously, this is like completely like female privilege.
Yeah.
Okay, final question.
We need to wrap up.
Under patriarchy are women oppressed?
No.
I feel like we've gotten way off topic from relationships.
I agree.
The majority of this podcast has not been about relationships.
We talked about munches, we talked about munches, we talked about gender roles.
I feel like you're just asking a group of random people.
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As a man who was raised to protect women, even if I don't know them, I can say more men than not would protect you than hurt you.
Not only am I concerned for myself when I go outside, but women too.
That's a fair statement.
All right.
Yeah.
That's 100%.
Also, I will say, when it comes to the threat of violence out in the street, as women, if some guy starts attacking you and there's other men around, not always, but you do sort of have, like, there probably will be a man or many men who will be prepared, total stranger, who will be prepared to white knight and jump in and defend you.
I don't even, I shouldn't say white knight necessarily, but they'll be prepared to go ahead and defend a total stranger.
Beat the piss out of that man.
That dude, like if a dude, like if you go to a college party and a guy like were to hit a girl, I think there's a pretty good chance that like total strangers who don't know the girl are gonna swarm on the dude.
Bro, there's a dude that guy gets fucking lynched.
Sure, he might be like fucked up.
Whereas like if a dude just walks up to a random dude and hits them, there won't be random men who aren't affiliated with that dude who will like jump in to try to defend that guy.
You're probably right.
They're just gonna try to split them apart.
Maybe.
Maybe.
They might.
They're much more likely to try to break it up if it's a woman, and then the dude's gonna get a beatdown.
So, I mean, you do have this, there's too much of this, like, men are these criminals.
I also should say, like, men are gonna be there to also protect you, too.
We don't speak enough about like male heroism.
No.
I would say the majority of men, like, women benefit from the patriarchy because a majority of men are there to protect women.
Of course, there are going to be men who abuse their strength and use it to hurt women.
And I will be there to make sure that does not happen.
But that is also the majority of men.
I think the majority of men would stand in front of a bullet.
Yeah, can I have you on call or what?
Yeah.
I'm like, hey, I need my knock anytime.
Okay.
Yeah.
Wait.
Majority of men are there to protect women.
So like, if me or Mason, like, we get jumped by three dudes, like, there's not going to be other dudes.
Or I have to fight for my own life.
Unless they're friends.
If there's like other dudes around, they'll never intervene and like try to help us.
I mean, I agree.
So what's the point, though?
You have a little bit of protection out there from men.
Is that all?
Because it's also, who are you protecting the women from?
Who are you protecting women from?
You know, like, I just, I don't understand the point of that argument.
I agree.
Under the patriarchy, they isn't the patriarchy that cares.
I don't know.
I need to, like, this always comes up when we're having these conversations.
Like, well, but who's the like?
You know, I mean, if you're gonna act like the savior, then it's like also like, who are you saving the criminal from?
But, you know, like the criminal could be, you know, like any man, really.
I need to actually, I need that.
This almost always comes up in this conversation.
I actually think it's a fallacious argument to say, well, but who's the one who's being the violent person?
Okay, I'm the one who's doing the bad thing.
Yeah.
Who's the cause of this bad thing that's impacting you?
You know what I mean?
It's men.
I know that it's a fallacious argument, and I actually need-I don't have a rebuttal to it.
I know there's a rebuttal to it because it's a fallacious argument.
I just don't have it off the top of my head.
The point I was making is that you're transferring the violence that is impending upon you to me.
So, like, as a woman in society, you get that privilege that if someone is attacking you, men will step in if they are available, if they are ready.
If you're fearing around, though, that's really if you're around.
That's like, I feel like that's well, like that.
So, the enforcement arm of the law, so police officers, I mean, they will step in for anybody, but they will overwhelmingly, like, men will step in for women to protect them, to take the violence off of them and put it on themselves.
The same reason why you, like, you don't, I don't, other people don't agree with men, trans women competing in the moment.
I don't know.
I don't know if it's trans men or women.
I don't know what the competing in women's sports because of the physical difference.
How did we get here?
Because of the physical difference, the same reason that like it applies to this situation too: men are physically stronger, bigger, faster than women are.
Just looking at the small situation that there will be men around, there will be police officers around, like, we can't just zoom into that fact and ignore all the other situations where there are situations where women have to fight for themselves against a man.
Sure, but in the majority of situations, like if a man gets in a fight with another man, if they're alone, okay, regardless if it's a woman, if it's a man, they're going to get beat down.
That's terrible, whatever.
But if there are men around, they will step in to protect the women.
If there are men around for the two-man fight, they will not step in.
I agree, and I think that's a horrible issue.
But I think that's what I'm saying.
But is that patriarchal?
Is that just because I think it is patriarchy?
It's ingrained in men to protect those who are less able to.
But is that the patriarchy?
It can also be you.
Yeah, I would agree that it's the patriarchy because in the natural world, you see that not just in humans, but also in animals.
Animals will protect those that are under it.
So, male lions will protect its harem.
That's not the structure of all animals, though.
I don't know.
Yeah, hyenas, hyenas.
Jesus Christ.
We watched National Geographic.
Are you talking about the hyena pen?
Hyenas, women, the female hyenas have penises.
Well, that also don't have hyenas.
No, they can, like, retract.
Wait, do they?
Yeah, female hyenas have, like, sexual organs to allow the name of that.
Those female hyenas.
Oh, they got some penises.
They got some schlongs on them.
God damn, have you seen a female hyena penis?
Sorry.
Anyway.
Should we wrap up?
Let's wrap up, guys.
Last thing.
Do you want to just double down on the whole women voting thing really quick?
Just to nail the pressure.
Just at the end?
I disagree, but I mean, after what you've heard from this panel tonight, are you just so steadfast in your position now?
I've always been steadfast.
But it hasn't before.
How does it feel, guys, that you guys have encouraged her to be more steadfast in her anti-women voting position?
Something tells me that we weren't going to change your mind anyway.
I mean, I'm willing to change my mind.
Let's see here.
Final hot take.
Men are more oppressed than women.
Yes.
I don't think so.
So women are more oppressed than men then?
Or is it equal?
Oppressed by society, by what?
Yeah, I don't know.
It is different.
Okay, we're going to.
Especially women and minority.
Minorities.
I think men are more oppressed.
I think women for sure.
No, because, for example, I'm going into engineering.
Women have more, are going to be more likely to get hired than a man.
I'll just, I'm going to wrap up.
I'll do final word here on this.
I would say all feminist arguments about oppression are dead on arrival.
We already talked about this.
All of women's collective grievances fall flat in the face of just one soul male grievance, military conscription.
I'm sorry.
Collectively, you can't, I can't think of an example that's worse than the infliction of suffering upon males exclusively when it comes to warfare, forced military conscription.
You can even argue that even volunteer, men who volunteered for the military, that was some sort of gendered expectation on them, and they suffered nevertheless.
So there's there, I do think when it comes to warfare, they try to say that there's glory in war, but the reality is that war is brutal in ways that most people can't imagine until you've experienced it.
I haven't experienced it, but you know, there's obviously historical accounts.
You hear about shell shock, PTSD.
You see videos of these men from World War I, World War II, the injuries that were suffered, the experiences that were had.
I mean, it's just barbaric and brutal and catastrophic and egregious and just fucking insane.
It's insane.
Fashizzle.
Sorry.
I shouldn't be flippant.
I'm sorry.
I shouldn't be flippant about a serious subject.
But all right, guys, we're going to wrap up there.
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Nick, can you pull up these super chats?
And then, Mason, can I have you read these super chats for us?
Yeah, I got you.
Oh, yeah.
My ex-girlfriend is Ukrainian.
She lives in Kiev.
I have photos and video from her B-Day March for Valentine's Day and Christmas.
Her manicure, makeup, hair, clothes, and flowers does not scream despair.
While things are bad, yes, a machine is pushing narrative.
Interesting, interesting.
She lives in Kiev.
Oh, she's still in Kiev.
Okay.
Yeah, she's, you know, it's going well.
Going well.
Next one, Nick.
If you're so scared, carry a gun.
Always use your Second Amendment right.
Retweet.
Yes.
Would you guys get last thing?
Would you date a guy who owns a firearm?
It depends.
Legally owned a firearm, AR-15.
Sure.
Yes.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yes.
Okay.
Cool.
Sweet.
All right.
That's it for all the chats, guys.
Let me just see who we're going to raid over there on Twitch.
I'll do my outro really quick.
Hold on.
Let me just get this loaded up.
I understand what a raid is.
Yeah, we move the people over to a different stream.
I'm going to raid.
Hold on one sec, guys.
Show intro here.
Okay.
So those of you who are watching on Twitch, I'm going to raid somebody.
Last call, hit the like button, please, on your way out.
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I appreciate that.
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I think we've got a doozy, a doozy on Tuesday.
Gonna be a very solid show.
Any girls who want to be on the show, DM out, whatever.
Big thank you to our wonderful panel here.
I know we went late.
I appreciate your guys burning the midnight oil with us.
What's it called?
Oh, shit.
It's like one in the morning.
Yo, my bad.
I told you it goes fast.
It goes fast, bro.
We better be getting.
Okay, don't worry about it.
Okay.
So thank you to the panel.
You guys were great.
I do want to thank, we had, I didn't say this earlier.
We had three no-shows.
So Nick went into the mean streets of Viola Vista, did some fucking recruiting.
I appreciate that, Nick.
Otherwise, we wouldn't have, you know, we were a bit delayed.
So thank you, Nick.
Shout out to Nick for being a fucking trooper.
Going into a mean street.
And it was drizzling a bit.
So, okay, over on Twitch, I'm raiding Woe Grandma78.
She's playing World of Warcraft.
She's a grandma.
She's currently got 300 viewers.
So we're going to give her a little surprise raid here.
Woe Grandma78, playing World of Warcraft.
Tell her she should come on the whatever.
Tell her she should.
We're inviting her.
When you raid her, guys, tell her to come on the whatever podcast.
Woe Grandma78.
I assume she's in her 70s.
So, okay, I'm starting the raid there over on Twitch.
That's going to go in just a sec.
So those of you leaving on Twitch, thank you for tuning in over there on Twitch.
That's going out in three seconds.
And then I'll say goodbye to our good friends on YouTube.
Okay, raiding now.
That should have gone through.
And then here on YouTube.
So thank you, everyone else on YouTube.
Those of you still on Twitch.
07s in the chat.
Good night, guys.
Thank you for tuning in.
We will see you on Tuesday.
I think it's Tay versus Kiko.
I think.
We'll see.
It's going to be a good one.
All right, guys.
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