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She DIVORCED Him For BAD Sex?! Dating A FEEDER?! Husband CHEATED With Men?! | Dating Talk #147

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	My name is Mari.
	I'm from Orlando.
	I was age, I'm 22.
	Sorry.
	No, just into the microphone.
	I'm 22.
	I'm from Orlando.
	I'm a student, and I'm also a content creator.
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	So I promote raves.
	I promote like club, like rave, like the club scenes.
	And then I also do like OnlyFans and stuff like that.
	How long have you been doing OF?
	So I started when I was like 18, and then I stopped for a little bit, and then I just started again.
	All right, welcome.
	What about you?
	Hi, my name is Emmy.
	I'm from the Bay, Berkeley, to be specific.
	I'm 22 and I'm a student at UCSB.
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	Sociology.
	Sociology, okay.
	All right.
	And you're graduating this year?
	Yes, I'm.
	I'm a senior.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	Hi, I'm Naomi.
	I'm 26 from Phoenix.
	Well, from New York, but I live in Phoenix.
	And I do OnlyFans.
	All right, welcome.
	Love you.
	Hi, I'm Taylor.
	I'm 25 and I'm an RBT from the Bay Area.
	What's an RBT?
	I'm a registered behavioral technician.
	I work with kids with autism.
	Gotcha.
	Okay.
	What brings you to Santa Barbara?
	I'm visiting.
	Friends?
	Gotcha.
	Okay, what about you?
	Hi, I'm Kira.
	I'm from the Bay Area.
	I'm 24 and I'm a student at SBCC, and I'm a call major.
	Call major.
	All right.
	Are you going to transfer to UCSB or?
	No, I'm going to SDSU.
	Okay, cool.
	What about you?
	My name is Jamil.
	I'm 39.
	I'm a registered nurse and stand-up comedian.
	39, registered RN, stand-up comedian.
	Tell us a joke.
	Oh.
	Okay.
	Well, hi, my name's Jamil.
	And for those of you that were expecting a tall black guy.
	That's pretty good.
	I liked that.
	All right.
	There you go.
	Yeah.
	Hi, I'm Katie.
	I'm 41.
	I'm originally from Los Angeles, currently living in Orange County, and I work in Optical.
	Okay.
	Hi, my name is Bree.
	I'm 26.
	I'm from Santa Clarita, and I'm a student.
	Oh, what do you study?
	Public health.
	Okay, gotcha.
	I'm Natalie.
	I just turned 23.
	I'm born and raised in Santa Monica, California, but I live in Palm Beach, Florida now.
	And I'm the co-host of Steve Bannon's War Room, which is a TV show and podcast, and I also have a clothing brand.
	All right, welcome back.
	So we're going to go around the table once more.
	What is everybody's current relationship status?
	So are you single, talking stage, situationship, friends with benefits, relationship, married, polycool, sex cult, whatever it may be?
	If you're single, how long have you been single?
	And what's the longest relationship you've ever been in?
	Go ahead.
	Single.
	I've been single for about a year and a half, almost two.
	Longest relationship I've been in, probably three and a half years.
	3.5 years.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	I'm single right now.
	The longest relationship I've been in was a year and a half.
	How long have you been single?
	About six months.
	Six to seven months.
	Why'd he dump you?
	I actually dumped him.
	Oh, sorry.
	Sorry.
	I got that mixed up.
	Got that mixed up.
	My bad.
	I got that mixed up.
	Okay.
	So you broke up with him?
	Yes, I did.
	Was that the 1.5-year relationship?
	No.
	Different one.
	Okay, gotcha.
	What about you?
	I'm still single.
	I was on a month ago, so I'm back.
	Still single.
	My longest relationship was four years, and it's been over two years now that I've been single.
	And your last relationship, was that the four-year one?
	No.
	Okay.
	Why did he dump you?
	We had a mutual.
	All right.
	What about you?
	I'm single.
	I've been single for a few years, and my longest relationship was four years.
	You've been single for a few years?
	I'm like three years.
	Three years or so?
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	All right.
	What about you?
	I'm also single, and my longest relationship is a year and a half.
	And I've been single for, I don't know, a year now.
	One year?
	Okay.
	What about you?
	I'm in a friends with benefits situation.
	Aye.
	My longest relationship, well, I am recently divorced, so we were married for almost 18 years.
	Okay.
	So 18 years.
	How long ago was the divorce?
	About two years ago.
	Two years ago.
	Okay, so and you're 39.
	So you divorced at 37.
	You were together for 18 years.
	So you were pretty much together from like, what, 1920 to 37 about?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Pretty much right.
	How long have you been with your current friends with benefits?
	A little over a month.
	Just one month?
	Yep.
	Is he the first guy that you got with since the breakup, separation?
	Maybe a little bit more seriously, yeah.
	But there's been other guys in that time period.
	Okay.
	And but this is the most serious one so far.
	I think so, yes.
	Yes.
	But it's just friends with benefits.
	You've only been seeing each other for one month.
	Yes.
	So these.
	Yeah.
	It's okay.
	Okay.
	But so the other ones you saw were just casual flings.
	Who initiated the divorce?
	I did.
	You did?
	What was the reason just grew apart?
	Many reasons, but growing apart, he was it the stand-up comedy?
	No.
	That lost.
	I did that.
	I've been doing that for six months now.
	Okay.
	All right, it's a new thing.
	Gotcha.
	So, but what happened?
	Did he want to stay with you?
	Yes.
	Yes.
	And do you have a kid?
	We have two kids.
	Two kids.
	Okay.
	And you don't have kids from any other people.
	Okay.
	But so what was the what precipitated the divorce?
	Quite a few things.
	One of the first things being that he started seeing some people, some guys from Craigslist?
	What?
	Craigslist, this is crazy.
	Wow.
	Holy shit.
	And were you aware?
	Because you were with him for 18 years.
	Were you aware of his that he was interested in other people interested in men?
	No.
	No.
	Do you think, like, were there any signs, like, retrospectively, that there's infidelity in the past?
	Or like, was this a new development?
	He was checking out like chicks before, right?
	But, you know, we all kind of check out people, right?
	How he presented it to me was we were in the bedroom and he just said, hey, I think this might be kind of hot to hear, but then he dropped that bomb on me.
	So yeah, that was a few years ago.
	So there was cheating, though?
	Yes.
	But he told you.
	Yes.
	Now, did he tell you he told you he wanted to involve other men or?
	No.
	No.
	Okay.
	He just was just telling me.
	He's like, I think that would be kind of hot for her to hear, but it wasn't.
	Okay.
	Are you good?
	I don't want to shy it.
	It was bad.
	Okay.
	All right.
	All right.
	Is it like coffee or something?
	Yeah.
	You can't.
	All right.
	Never mind.
	Never mind.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	It's fine.
	Don't worry about it.
	Don't worry about it.
	Okay, so you initiated the divorce, but he wanted to see men, but he wanted to stay with you.
	I'm confused there.
	Yes, so he wanted to try other things.
	Involving both men and women.
	Oh, like he wanted to do threesomes.
	Yes.
	With you and like other dudes.
	And swinging.
	Swinging.
	Yeah.
	And This is something that, like, what, in the 17th year of your marriage?
	This happened about the 15th year of marriage, I think.
	14th?
	Maybe, maybe a little less than 15.
	And did he have any inclinations towards this in the previous 15 years or however long you were together?
	No.
	Spontaneous homosexuality?
	Is that it was dormant, probably.
	Dormant?
	Dormant.
	That's a good word.
	Did he start watching porn or anything like that?
	Do you think that could have precipitated it?
	That like broadened his mind about what was out there?
	Probably watching porn that I didn't know about.
	All men, I feel like.
	All men have watched porn or all men are secretly gay and want to fuck other men and watch porn, which I was saying.
	Okay, wait, so was there a dead bedroom for a period of the relationship?
	Yes.
	Starting when into the marriage?
	After the whole Craigslist thing?
	Oh, after.
	But otherwise, things were good in that.
	Okay.
	Damn, that's wild.
	Yeah.
	That's crazy, son.
	Wait, okay.
	So, but you got, it seems, you know, you had some flings pretty quickly after separation, so you got right back on the horse and yes.
	And you got, do you know what year you guys got married?
	We got married in 2005.
	And were you dating prior?
	Yes.
	How long were you dating prior to the marriage?
	About a couple years.
	Couple years.
	Damn.
	It's like four cell phones.
	So how do you go?
	How do you go from like, okay, you used to date in the peak of civilization, the late 90s, early 2000s, and then you're just thrust after your husband wanted to fuck other men.
	How do you go from like that and then you're introduced to like dating apps, social media?
	Was it like culture shock for you?
	It wasn't too much culture shock just because I work as a nurse and I work with other people who, you know, different generations and stuff.
	And so a lot of them will talk about the dating app.
	So it's like, oh, that's kind of cool.
	And so I've tried to stay as abreast to technology as I can.
	So I was a little familiar with the dating apps.
	Tinder and the dating apps were a little bit weird for me just because I'm so used to dating organically.
	And actually, I still prefer that.
	Did you get on any dating apps?
	I did.
	Okay.
	I did.
	Tinder Hinge, Bumble, Christian Mingle, Farmers Only.
	Any of those?
	I did Tinder, Hinge, Facebook Dating.
	Tinder Hinge, Facebook Dating.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Good times.
	Cool, cool.
	What about you?
	I am currently single.
	I was seeing somebody briefly this past summer in my longest relationship.
	Sorry, hold on.
	Nickelodeon donated $100.
	She was jealous he was working on another man's bits.
	Would you rather it was a man or woman?
	Would you prefer if it was a...
	Like, had it been a woman that he was cheating on you with?
	I think men was more okay for me to accept than it was.
	Women?
	I don't know why.
	Let's go around the table on this, actually.
	We'll come back to the relationships.
	Actually, wait.
	No, okay.
	So going around the table, two questions, actually.
	One, would you prefer if your partner were to cheat on you?
	Would you prefer it's with a man or a woman?
	And then the second question, would you prefer, if it's a woman, would you prefer they cheat on you with someone more attractive or less attractive than you?
	Starting with you, go ahead.
	Okay, well, if they were going to cheat on me, I don't really care of the gender, so that's it.
	And if it's a woman, more attractive, less attractive?
	Attractiveness, I don't care.
	Wouldn't care at all, okay?
	Honestly, I'd kind of prefer if it was a man, then I'm not comparing myself.
	Oh!
	Okay, you prefer man.
	Then I know there's nothing wrong with me.
	He's just not straight.
	Okay, I see.
	Okay, it's easier to cope.
	And if it was a woman, more attractive or less attractive than you, which would you prefer?
	That's kind of hard.
	I kind of think less attractive, so then I'm not like, fuck, it's because of my looks.
	But at the same time, that's like, I don't know, maybe less attractive.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	I kind of agree.
	What was your name again?
	Mari.
	Mari.
	I agree with Mari.
	I just, that's one of my non-negotiables, so cheating is just a big no-no for me.
	You wouldn't have any infuriated.
	That's not the question, though.
	You wouldn't have any preference.
	No, no preference, because cheating is cheating.
	What about you?
	Wait, if that's a non-negotiable for you, you do OnlyFans, though.
	So is that considered cheating?
	Would your partner consider you doing OnlyFans as cheating?
	Well, I don't have a partner.
	I'm single.
	But if you did, hypothetically, like, are you staying single until you retire from OnlyFans?
	Or how do you navigate that?
	Like, with your relationship?
	I mean, if someone wants to date me, it's part of who I am, as part of what I do.
	So if they're going into it knowing that, it's kind of on them to be accepting of it.
	Have you had a long-term relationship while you're doing content?
	No.
	Okay.
	I would say what Emmy said.
	I guess I would prefer if it was a man.
	And that might highlight our insecurities more, but it's just the truth.
	And probably a less attractive woman for the same reason.
	I think, I mean, cheating is cheating.
	It sucks.
	But probably I also agree with Taylor and Emmy.
	I would rather it be a man and probably someone less attractive than me.
	I agree with Taylor and Emmy.
	For all the reasons that they just stated.
	Thank you, everyone.
	If I had to choose, I would definitely choose another woman because I know that men can have sex and have it not be emotional.
	It could just be purely physical.
	I know, Brian, you talked about it on one of the episodes.
	And I wouldn't care if the woman was more or less attractive.
	It wouldn't matter to me.
	All right.
	I feel like regardless, being cheated on is painful.
	It doesn't matter if it's like a man or a woman.
	But more attractive or not, it's painful and sucks and should be avoided at all costs.
	Okay.
	I would take a very pragmatic approach to this question.
	I feel like if your partner was secretly banging a bunch of guys behind your back, there's a higher chance of STDs and AIDS and that kind of stuff.
	So I think I'd probably rather go with a woman.
	Okay.
	And then what about the prettier or uglier?
	Probably uglier.
	There you have it, folks.
	There you have it.
	Your relationship status?
	Yes, so I'm single.
	I was seeing somebody briefly back in the summer.
	My longest relationship was five years.
	And I was married for a year and a half.
	And I'm divorced and have been divorced for over a decade.
	Okay.
	And you have one kid?
	One kid, yes.
	Okay.
	Is the dad still in the picture or are you co-parent?
	Yes, he's very much in the picture.
	Was not my.
	My daughter's father was not my ex-husband.
	We tried for about two years to get pregnant and it never happened for us and that's a whole nother story.
	But yes, my daughter's dad is very much in the picture.
	He's very involved, very wonderful.
	And you said you've been single since the summertime, was it?
	Yeah, I just dated somebody, or saw somebody briefly in the summer, but before that it was quite a while.
	All right, I take parenting very seriously.
	Sure, what about you?
	I'm currently single.
	I'm not looking to date.
	At the moment I'm single as of a few weeks.
	I came out of a pretty short relationship, but I jumped into that relationship after almost a five-year relationship.
	So it was kind of doomed to begin with and I wasn't really willing to see that going into it.
	I kind of just fell into it wait.
	So your longest relationship was five years.
	Once that ended, you immediately got into another relationship, which ended a few weeks ago, correct?
	Yeah, how long did the most recent relationship last?
	Uh, I believe seven months, seven months.
	How soon after the end of the five-year relationship did you get into the new relationship?
	Like two weeks.
	But I, I wasn't.
	Okay, I know, I know, I know I wasn't advocating and or looking for a relationship or even friends with benefits.
	I didn't sleep with him immediately.
	Did you know him beforehand?
	No, how did you meet him?
	Uh, social media, like instagram.
	Yeah instagram, you dm'd him.
	Or he dm'd you.
	No, he reached out to me, did wait.
	So he, you break up, and then a week goes by and then he dms you.
	Or had he dm'd you prior to the end of your relationship?
	No, I.
	So on my social media, I don't like.
	If i'm in a relationship, I wouldn't typically accept, like male follower follower requests.
	So it wasn't until after I became single that I would be accepting new follower requests and then, after I accepted him, he had started messaging me from there.
	Does it show when a follower follow request was made on instagram?
	When it was made?
	I don't think so, but you guys know that you can see when it's been accepted, like the chronological order.
	Okay, so you, you break up.
	Who?
	Who ended the five-year relationship?
	I did, you did, okay.
	And so when?
	How soon after was it?
	You said it was two weeks.
	Yeah, like you first met two weeks from the breakup, correct?
	Yeah okay messy, I know quick, I know, I learned.
	I sometimes I have to learn a hard way.
	Breakup, it was so messy, we lived together.
	The five-year breakup, we lived together.
	We had a lot of a lot.
	It was really messy.
	Wait, did you?
	Were you still living together after the breakup?
	Yeah, did you invite the new guy over to the house?
	No, so my five-year he cheated on me and I was very loyal.
	Loyal to I don't want to say loyal to a fault, because i'll never regret being loyal, because that's just my character but I felt very betrayed.
	It wasn't one woman, it was multiple women.
	It was multiple women that Were overweight.
	And there's nothing wrong with being overweight, but he was a, it was like a feeding fetish.
	Chubby Chaser.
	It wasn't even just Chubby Chasing.
	Yeah, so he waited.
	How did you?
	How did you like do the Tai Chi?
	You like avoided the feeder.
	Oh my gosh.
	Okay, so I thought that going out to All You Can Eat Sushi multiple times a week was normal.
	It's not.
	It's not normal.
	So I basically found out at our friend's wedding.
	But he was cheating on you.
	So I was sending myself pictures from his phone and he was really drunk and I decided to, I had this, you know, weird feeling and I was like, I only have maybe 30 seconds to check where I want to look in his phone to see if there's even anything.
	And I did and I found over 400 messages between him and multiple girls.
	And these weren't just messages like sending pictures or whatever.
	It was weigh yourself before you eat, weigh yourself after.
	I swear.
	It sounds like girl, you dodged a bullet.
	No, I really did.
	And it was multiple women, and it was the same conversation basically of him making them eat enough.
	And he would tell them that they're not worthy to speak to him unless you know they eat enough or eat more.
	And I'm like, I work out and I feel like I take care of myself.
	And these women are over 250 pounds.
	And he's telling them that they're not good enough.
	So that's the tea.
	I just want to know where he found just this niche group of people that were like okay with that.
	So you know what I mean?
	Like is there a site for that?
	Maybe.
	But they're into that, right?
	Saying like, oh, you're not.
	It's a fetish.
	It's like a total sexual, it's like a niche sexual fetish.
	Wait, so was he trying to fatten you up?
	I think so.
	Because over COVID, like the whole world shut down, right?
	So I stopped working out.
	You know, I played college volleyball at the time and I stopped working out and I gained a little bit of weight, as I'm sure everyone did over COVID.
	And he would always tell me, you know, that's, I liked you most when you were this weight over COVID.
	And I never understood that.
	As a woman, you kind of have your own set weight and how you feel comfortable and how you like to look in clothes.
	And I did not feel comfortable at that weight.
	And that was kind of a red flag, but I'm like, sure, guys like thicker girls, whatever, like teach their own.
	But it didn't fully connect the dots until I saw those text messages.
	And I read every single one word for word out loud in front of him.
	Yeah.
	At the wedding when he was drunk?
	Uh-huh.
	It was messy.
	At somebody's wedding?
	No, no.
	It was in the parking lot, to be fair.
	Wait, so, okay.
	But did he ever send you those types of text messages to you?
	Or with you, it was like this repressed thing a little bit, but he was still trying to like, he would like feed you kind of discreetly.
	Yeah, it was very discreet.
	And it was, and I thought it was sweet.
	Like, he would come home with food for me.
	And I was like, oh, I just had a long shift at work.
	And, you know, I had such a long day.
	You're so sweet.
	He would never cook or clean.
	He had always buy me more than that.
	Wait, so how did he react when like you said, like, hey, I found all this stuff?
	Like, how did he react to that?
	Like, what did he say?
	He cried and said he was so embarrassed.
	And, you know, how could I invite his and how could I invade his privacy?
	And I'm like, sir, we live together and have lived together for years.
	What do you mean, privacy?
	Other women sending pictures of yourself in our bed to other women.
	The bed that I make.
	The bed that I clean.
	The PS5 I bought you.
	How dare you?
	You know what I mean?
	So it was crazy.
	Has any girl here had that experience with a dude?
	Yes.
	Where he's like, let me get you fat.
	Oh, no.
	No.
	I had that with a girl one time.
	I think a girl tried to do that shit to me.
	Tried to get you fat.
	Try to get me fat so I'd be less appealing to other women.
	Yeah, I didn't know.
	Actually, it's starting to get a little chubby.
	No, she'd like, I'd tell her, like, yo, stop bringing over fucking cookies.
	But I keep eating them.
	Maybe I honestly feel like some girls do do that.
	So it could be.
	I think that's also a term of endearment.
	It's like one of the love languages.
	I do that.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	I bring snacks.
	Like, make sure you're eating good.
	Take care of you, maybe.
	I don't know.
	I think that's how the Buddha originality started and everything.
	Yeah, I don't know.
	Damn, that's crazy.
	So, uh, I, wow.
	So, yeah, so I immediately was.
	So, he was like cheating on you with a bunch of like obese women, is what you're saying.
	100%.
	Like, morbidly, like, how did he have a sweet spot?
	Like, was it obese, morbidly obese?
	Like, you know?
	These girls were chunky.
	Because these girls would send pictures too.
	And I understand.
	Yeah, I saw the pictures, and they were unhealthy.
	And it wasn't just a few pounds here, a few pounds there.
	They were obese.
	And it made me sad for them.
	And I really, I told them, you know, we're done.
	There's no chance we're ever going to make this work, but you need to apologize to these women because that's so unfair for you to degrade women.
	And they're allowing it, sure, but it's like that will stick with them for the rest of their lives.
	Brian, how do you feel about this topic?
	Like, you're really interested into it.
	Like, the obesity.
	Do you guys not know about fetishes and stuff like that?
	I'm familiar with it.
	Oh, okay.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	It's more so just the.
	There's a lot out there.
	He wasn't open with it with you, which makes it kind of like that's the crazy part.
	I thought you were like, hmm.
	I mean, I do think it's kind of still like, it's a little weird.
	Oh, weird.
	Okay.
	I thought you were interested.
	Even if you're open with it, it's a little.
	Okay.
	Because it's like, okay, I don't know.
	It's kind of because being obese is unhealthy.
	Yeah.
	So if you're like feeding, like, I think it's a little bit of a bad thing.
	Even if you're open with it, even if it's like consensual, it still feels a little like abusive.
	You're like pushing this person towards poor health.
	It feels a little.
	Yeah, you're right.
	You're right.
	And I think the worst part, sorry to interrupt you.
	Go ahead.
	I think the worst part about it is he's the most like bodybuilder type of guy.
	Very lean, runs, works out religiously.
	He's living vicariously through them then.
	He doesn't get to eat all these snacks and treats.
	Crazy psychological level.
	He's eating these other women things that he can't have.
	Damn.
	And he would, I mean, he would eat, he didn't have a diet or a strict, you know, regimen or anything like that.
	But if you looked at him, you would have never thought ever in a million years that he would even be into people like that.
	And there's nothing wrong with being into people like that, but you can't just like stay true to yourself.
	And if that's what you're into, that's fine.
	Wait, so would he ever make comments?
	I mean, I think you mentioned this a little bit.
	Would he ever make comments to you?
	Like, would I don't know if this is like TMI, but like, would he like grab your belly?
	Like, yeah.
	So what I thought was his love language being like physical touch, it was actually him like every woman has parts on your body that you don't want to touch that you're like insecure about.
	You're like, I could go without you seeing this or feeling this.
	And he would go out of his way to grab that and acknowledge it and be very aggressive.
	But he turned it to be playful and kind of gaslit me to make me feel like I'm the problem and that that should be normal.
	But that didn't start, it didn't start off that way.
	That was the last two years of the almost five years.
	That's crazy.
	That's crazy.
	Is there like a reverse feeder thing?
	Just someone who wants someone really skinny, yeah.
	I would say that most people want to be, right?
	Yeah.
	Or like a really likely ugly, like cold, skinny, like man.
	I feel like a lot of girls are into that.
	Like, what if, like, would the opposite just be like, here's a salad and a singular crouton?
	Yeah.
	That's what I would do.
	That could be good, you know?
	Okay.
	Natalie, what about you?
	I guess I'm technically single, but I actually just met someone who I'm very excited about, but it's very new.
	Congrats.
	Thank you.
	So I don't know.
	And I think he's watching, so I don't know what to say.
	All right.
	How long have you guys been dating?
	We like just met.
	Like a few days ago.
	A few days ago?
	There's a few of you.
	A lot of overlap.
	We know a lot of mutual people.
	Is he also involved in politics?
	Sort of.
	In a way.
	But not really.
	Not for work, but he knows political people who I work with.
	I'm being big.
	Donald Trump?
	No.
	So Donald Trump.
	Okay.
	No, Queen Melania.
	Never, ever, ever.
	Wait, what do you do for work again?
	I co-host a show called War Room, and my co-host is Steve Bannon, who was the CEO of the Trump campaign in 2016.
	So, yeah.
	All right.
	And what's your longest relationship?
	A year.
	One year.
	All right.
	We've got everyone's relationship status here.
	A lot of you said you're all of you are single, except for you, who has a friends with benefits, and you have this new thing going on.
	So what does being single actually mean here?
	Some of you have been single for years.
	So starting with you, there's no guys in the picture.
	Yeah, currently there's no guys in the picture.
	Wait, does anyone here buy or have a different orientation?
	Just any ladies in the picture then?
	No.
	But this guy kind of fucked me over, or sorry for cursing, but say like January, found out he was literally living with like an old ass woman.
	And I would pick him up to bring him to my house and all this BS.
	After that, I was like, I'm just done.
	I'm taking a break.
	And I just stayed celibate, like, literally.
	You've been celibate for a year and a half?
	I've been celibate for like, I want to say like six months.
	Six months.
	Okay.
	But you said you've been single for 1.5 years.
	Yeah.
	So then I started talking to this other guy and then I ended that quick.
	So.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	So there's nobody in the picture.
	So you've been celibate for how long?
	Like, yeah, like six months, three months, around there.
	Three months.
	Six months.
	Six months.
	Three months.
	Three months.
	Pretty big.
	It's just hard to do.
	Those two guys fucked me over.
	They fucked you over.
	Like in the head.
	Like, I'm just like, I'm over men.
	Like, just, I want to be left alone.
	You're over men.
	Why is that?
	Should I even answer that?
	If you want, yeah.
	We can continue.
	You got, what's it called?
	You said you got fucked over, that's right.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	You're single, six months to seven months.
	You've been single, right?
	Any guys in the picture, though?
	I mean, yeah, when you're single, of course, you talk to people on and off, and like it only goes so far depending on like what you're looking for.
	What are you looking for?
	I think I'd be looking for a relationship, but like I have been single for such a short amount of time.
	So it's like, I don't know.
	But also when you graduate, like you don't know where you're going to move.
	So it's kind of hard to like be looking for a relationship when you don't know where you're going.
	You graduate in a couple months or something?
	Yeah.
	You don't have any plan?
	No, I'm applying to internships and jobs right now.
	I'm not sure.
	Do you think you'll stick around in Santa Barbara or you're going to taking some summer courses, so I'm going to have to until September.
	Okay.
	And so I have that time to figure out where I'm going to go.
	I see.
	Okay.
	Wait, you're from.
	Did you say up north originally?
	Yeah, Berkeley.
	Berkeley, okay.
	Wait, so any guys in the picture?
	You know, just people I'm talking to.
	Are you taught?
	Do you have like a, what's it called?
	A roster right now?
	You got a roster?
	You got.
	Honestly, no.
	Like, I don't talk to people.
	I know your friends are kind of throwing you under the bus there a little bit.
	I know.
	It's just one.
	I know.
	I honestly, like, I don't talk to people.
	Like, it's hard for me to get into like things with people.
	Same.
	Yeah.
	You have a great voice, by the way.
	I lost my voice, so it's really raspy right now.
	Oh, this isn't your game.
	No, we did karaoke last night.
	So all of our voices were.
	Yeah, we were at Wildcat doing karaoke.
	So you're going crazy.
	Okay.
	Wait, so there is one guy kind of in the picture.
	Yeah.
	Is it a talking stage-ish situationship, maybe?
	I guess you could say that.
	I don't consider things things until you're dating someone.
	Until there's a title.
	Yeah, I don't consider anything a thing until you're dating someone.
	Okay.
	And so how long have you been seeing this guy?
	I don't know, maybe a couple months.
	I mean, when you're single, like you, you go on dates, like you talk to multiple people, and it only goes so far.
	You know, it's like, what do you mean it only goes so far?
	I mean, I don't know, you go on a couple dates, you don't necessarily get along, like you stop talking after that.
	Like, that's just kind of how it goes.
	Like, you hook up with them, and yeah, I mean, I guess.
	Not always, though.
	Right, not always.
	Yeah.
	And so, would you have you like besides this?
	There seems, you got a main piece and side hoes, it sounds like.
	Do you have side hoes?
	I don't have any main piece.
	You don't have a main hoe?
	No, I don't.
	I really, like, I don't talk to a lot of people like that.
	What about this guy that you've been seeing for?
	I know, but you can only.
	Do you think he's seeing other girls?
	Yeah.
	What if she's just like, oh, do you, like, you know he's seeing other girls, or you like you just think he's seeing other girls?
	No, I.
	I don't know.
	Nothing is serious.
	Like, you don't really pay a lot of attention to someone until you're actually a title.
	So, like, I don't know.
	Like, I wouldn't consider anything talking until you're dating.
	Like, really.
	How often do you see this guy?
	Once a week, twice a week?
	A couple times a week.
	I don't know.
	It's sporadic.
	Like, it's not like any.
	Wait, is it like one of those situations where it's like exploring?
	Cool.
	Where it's like Friday, 11 p.m.
	What you're doing?
	Is it that kind of thing?
	Or is it a little more structured where it's like, hey, what's up?
	Let's hang out Thursday, 7 p.m.
	I guess, I mean, yeah, I mean, for longer periods of time.
	They'll go out on dates and stuff.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, like he'll try his worst nightmare.
	Do you want, do you want more?
	Does he want more?
	Has there been any conversation like that?
	Not necessarily.
	I mean, like at this age, like everyone I'm talking to is leaving college.
	So it's like, you can't bank on anything or really get too serious like that until you know where you're going, where you're going to be.
	Does he know he doesn't know what his plans are?
	Do you see a freshman?
	No.
	You guys dating?
	No.
	No.
	Does he go to school, though?
	He's also in school?
	Yeah.
	UCSB?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Well, It is sort of transient in the sense that you might be graduating soon, he might be graduating soon, you guys don't know where you guys stand on that front.
	Yeah, I think they're just like having a good time with each other right now.
	Yeah, you just vibe and talk later.
	But when you say you think they're just having a good time right now, do you just mean sexual intercourse?
	No, not just that.
	Like they're going out on dates, they're just like having fun.
	Like, I don't know.
	That's fine.
	Just stuff like that.
	Okay.
	Good times.
	What about you?
	What were the questions?
	Well, so you're single, right?
	You've been single for two years.
	But, you know, you live in Miami, is it?
	No, Phoenix.
	Phoenix.
	Okay, my bad.
	Sorry.
	It's okay.
	You know, there's a lot of handsome men out there in Phoenix.
	Not so much.
	Okay.
	I don't get out much.
	You don't get how much you just stay inside and take nude photographs.
	Pretty much.
	Absolutely.
	Yeah.
	Good times.
	Okay, so no guys in the picture.
	Come on.
	No, actually, you're still since the last time.
	I'm calling Cap.
	I'm calling Cap.
	Still zero.
	Isn't it the case, though, with girls who do OnlyFans, or even just content creators in general, that it hurts your bottom line if you were to openly admit that you have a boyfriend or you're seeing somebody?
	Like if you did have a boyfriend, would you not disclose it?
	I would probably disclose it, but I wouldn't post him.
	Okay.
	Like the person I made content with made past tense.
	I was never in a romantic relationship with them.
	Oh, you did?
	You did BG content?
	I did, yeah.
	But only with one person.
	Only one guy you've ever done that with?
	Okay.
	Just someone else in the industry that I trusted.
	Wait, so you, okay, so there's, you've been single for two years.
	Yeah, my first year out of my relationship, I was celibate my whole first year, and then I started OnlyFans.
	And then you had a partner you work with, but you no longer work with him anymore.
	Yeah, I just, I don't make any more content right now.
	Okay, so you're telling me there's no guys in the picture right now.
	Not friends with benefits, not a situationship, not even a talking stage.
	No, I wish.
	I get lonely.
	Stop the cap.
	I promise, Brian.
	I'm going to call Cap on that.
	I don't have time.
	I'm just going to do it.
	What if it were you?
	What if a guy during the show DMs me and says, I'm her sneaky link.
	She's lying.
	Would you fess up?
	Would you fess up to that?
	Who's going to.
	Okay, yeah, sure.
	You want to put a bet on it?
	We can put a bet on it.
	I'm good.
	I'm all right.
	Can I ask her a related question?
	Okay, you said that you hate men, right?
	I mean it literally.
	How do you, well, you, but you do OnlyFans, right?
	You said you just started?
	No, I've been doing it since I was 18, but I just restarted.
	So do you hate men enough?
	Why do you, are you still okay taking their money on OnlyFans and interacting with them via that?
	Like, how do you, or do you just hate men?
	I don't actually hate men.
	It was just kind of like a metaphor.
	How is that a metaphor?
	Because like, I literally didn't mean it.
	There's hella men in this world.
	Like, why would I hate every single man?
	I mean, that's pretty logical.
	No, I agree with you, but you just said I hate men.
	Yeah.
	Did I miss that?
	Was it?
	No, I did say that.
	No, I did say that because that's how I. Can you scoot your mic this way?
	Sorry.
	Because that's how sometimes I feel in the moment, you know?
	You didn't really move it, but I appreciate the effort.
	No, I was just curious because I feel like a lot of OnlyFans creators.
	Not really, but okay, she tried.
	How do you want me to do that?
	I think you skewed it.
	Scoot it, like, move it?
	Yeah, there you go.
	That's good.
	Okay, so I could.
	Well, you guys are just like, you know, you hate men so much.
	You don't need that.
	Put that straight, though.
	Straight men.
	Straight?
	Put it straight.
	I don't feel that way.
	I'll put it out there.
	I love my subs.
	You know, straight.
	Just straight if you can.
	Well, I don't know.
	No, straight, like straight.
	There you go.
	But then move it back that way.
	You moved it over too far.
	You're encroaching.
	You're encouraging.
	I'm really trying to hear what they're saying at the same time.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Good.
	Yeah, you're well done.
	Okay.
	Continue.
	You had some questions first.
	Well, no, I think I was just trying to understand the metaphor that is.
	I hate men.
	But I guess it's allegedly not a metaphor.
	But I was just kind of curious.
	Is it a simile?
	I think she said she's over men.
	I don't think she said she hates.
	No, I said I hate men.
	Wow.
	Are you over men?
	I don't know if you're putting words in her mouth.
	No, I already explained it, so if you can't understand it, I'm sorry.
	Do you ever want to get married?
	I can understand.
	What'd you say?
	Do you ever want to get married?
	Of course, yeah.
	How do you view marriage?
	I noticed that there's a cross hanging from your earring.
	How do you feel about religion and marriage?
	And what's your stance on that?
	Marriage.
	What do you mean by marriage?
	Because there's a lot of, you know, a lot of people can get married in different aspects.
	Yeah, I mean, like, more traditional marriage.
	More traditional marriage.
	And like the purpose of what marriage would be for you and what that means for you.
	Okay.
	But see, you kind of defeated the purpose of me moving the mic.
	I don't want you to shift your body, so if you can just shift your perfect.
	Go ahead.
	Okay.
	Marriage, just loyalty, love, happiness, peacefulness.
	But can't you have that without marriage?
	100%.
	So do you feel like marriage is necessary outside of religion?
	No.
	You don't think it's necessary?
	I don't think marriage is necessary, no.
	Would you consider yourself religious, or do you have any beliefs that would either propel you towards marriage or take you further?
	I don't consider myself religious.
	What do you consider yourself?
	More spiritual.
	In your pre-show notes, you stated you practice astrology and witchcraft.
	Yes.
	can you explain the witchcraft part do you want to know or like I just asked.
	Okay, so I've been studying astrology since I was like.
	Don't care about astrology.
	Oh, witchcraft?
	The witchcraft too.
	Got you, got you.
	So, do you know what white magic is?
	Sure.
	Okay, well, white magic is all positive magic.
	It's to help yourself.
	It's to positively impact you.
	It's the crystals, all that BS that you probably don't believe in, you know, stuff like that.
	It's manifestation is just to help you out.
	And you practice the white magic?
	Yes, white magic.
	Do you have a name for, like, you consider yourself a witch?
	Are you more, like, might you be a mage?
	Warlock?
	Well, I'm still young.
	Warlock is male.
	Listen, are warlocks manifesting?
	Can I say something?
	I'm still young, so when it comes to things like this, it takes years for you to actually have a status.
	To become a artist.
	What is it?
	A top mage?
	Whatever you want to call it.
	It does take a while to get to level 60 and stuff.
	Like when you're playing.
	It does take a while to level up to 60.
	So I get it.
	Yeah.
	So, yeah.
	Yeah.
	Wait, so you're a witch.
	Okay, I guess.
	Do you consider yourself a witch?
	I don't like to call myself a witch because I really appreciate all the witches out there.
	I would say I'm more like a student of witches.
	You're learning.
	You're in city college for being a witch.
	Sure.
	Okay.
	But I also go to regular.
	Have you cast any spells?
	Have I casted any spells?
	Why are you asking me that?
	Are you scared?
	Yeah, I'm trembling.
	I'm terrified.
	I didn't see that.
	Oh, my God.
	But did you cast any spells?
	Are you okay?
	Thomas the Poet donated $100.
	Naomi, stop the cap.
	With that sick body, you have to have Simpson.
	Would love to be one non-U roster.
	Brian, great panel tonight.
	So many normal and regular-based ladies.
	Refreshing.
	What was that even?
	No refresh.
	Thomas the Poet.
	I'm not cap.
	Thank you, Thomas the Poet.
	I appreciate you sending me your donation.
	No, I swear, though, I actually have no men right now.
	I'm just really busy.
	100%.
	Like, I swear.
	Yes, let's be honest.
	Why is it probably?
	I would agree.
	Oh, what?
	Agree with what?
	Go ahead.
	Go ahead.
	I would agree that this is a really great panel because it's not only OnlyFans Girls.
	I actually really appreciate that question that you asked.
	It's like, I think Candace Owens brought that up on here.
	What?
	Brought up.
	That same question about atheism and marriage.
	Oh, okay.
	You know, the benefits of marriage.
	True.
	I disagree with one of the things that she said.
	I think she said that marriage can only be synonymous if you're religious.
	And I totally agree.
	Well, there's no.
	Yeah, I would just say I appreciate the question because it does bring up a disagree with Candace.
	She said that you can only, or basically marriage can only be a marriage if you're religious and religion plays into that marriage.
	So, I mean, what?
	Why get married for any reason other than for religious reasons?
	What?
	Commitment, like commitment tax.
	To tell the world that you love your partner.
	I have that question.
	There could be a marriage reasons to get married.
	The financial reasons you stated are fairly negligible.
	I think it's mainly to just show the world that you love this person and you're committed to this person and you're having a ceremony in front of all of your friends and your family and you're making that commitment.
	And if you don't have a marriage.
	Sorry, go ahead.
	And I'll ask a couple.
	No, go ahead.
	Go ahead.
	Finish.
	And if you don't have a marriage, when you're married, speaking from somebody that was married, there's a way that others who are married see you.
	It's almost like you're part of this group.
	You know, if somebody is a dog owner and then you meet somebody else that's a dog owner, you're in this family.
	You're in this group.
	And so for people who are married, they see other people who are married.
	And I don't know if they take them more seriously or their commitment more seriously, but they definitely are seen in a particular way.
	So you're saying it confers certain social benefits because of in-group bias, essentially.
	Not necessarily.
	So let me ask you a question.
	Let me ask you a question.
	What can I, let's say there's a secular person who doesn't get married for religious reasons, who doesn't get married for religious reasons?
	Religiosity is not a component to their marriage.
	And you admit it.
	You said that, well, people, even if you're not religious, there's benefit of getting married.
	What can I, as a man, get from marriage that I can't get from a long-term life partner like monogamous?
	Why should I get married?
	I just, I think for the same reason that I said, it's to solidify that commitment in front of your friends and your family.
	And maybe to solidify it to your own family.
	Let me introduce a word to this conversation called divorce.
	So there is no...
	Brian, but religious people get divorced as well.
	Yeah.
	Precisely.
	Precisely.
	But at least one of the reasons, one of the reasons that someone who's religious gets married is for religious reasons.
	There's a religious motivation there.
	They're moving pursuant to their religious beliefs.
	But if you're secular or an atheist, I frankly see absolutely no.
	So I think marriage is just, it's like the pinnacle of the relationship.
	It's you cannot get any more committed than being in a marriage.
	And I think for some people, myself included, I got married because I wanted that final level, that max level.
	I wanted to commit to my husband 100%.
	We had gone through lots of ups and downs, and we wanted to make it official.
	We wanted to give it a fair, basically a fair chance officially, officially, and not just long-term boyfriend, girlfriend, living together.
	We wanted to.
	Were you guys religious?
	No.
	I would hate to be a girlfriend after 20 years.
	You're like, yeah, my boyfriend.
	Yeah, that popping type of question.
	It is just like a form of serious commitment, I think, more than religious.
	Why is religion related to marriage?
	I want to know your standpoint.
	I mean, that's the origination.
	That's the genesis.
	I understand that, but why do you think you should still be religious in order to get married?
	That's not really the argument I'm making.
	I just don't see if you're secular.
	I see no reason to get married.
	And honestly, even if you're religious, the only reason if you're religious to get married is for your religious values.
	At least from a man's perspective, there's absolutely no reason to get married.
	So, Brian, let me, oh, can I interrupt?
	Yeah.
	Let me ask you a question.
	So, if you weren't religious, but say you met a girl and you were dating a girl and you were really serious with a girl who wasn't super religious, but definitely considered religion important to her.
	If she did, she wouldn't date somebody who wasn't religious.
	Agreed.
	So, I mean, but go ahead.
	Let's just say she was mild to moderately religious.
	You didn't want to get married.
	You just wanted to have a lifelong commitment, but marriage was really important to her.
	And like I said, you were really serious with her.
	You'd been dating her for a couple years.
	You could definitely see yourself long-term with her.
	Would you get married for her?
	You mean, would I do it?
	Would you be because she wants it?
	Yes.
	Well, what about what I want, which is to not get married?
	But why can't she be the one to come into my frame on this?
	But there's no middle ground there.
	There's no compromise.
	It's either you get married or you don't.
	So are you saying that you would want her?
	Oh, sorry.
	Are you saying that you would want her to be the one that compromises?
	Absolutely.
	Okay.
	Because the what if that meant ending the end of your relationship then?
	Here, I got this.
	Hold on.
	Out you go.
	Good ride.
	Okay.
	So you're not.
	I'm not.
	If you look, if a girl wants to be with me, you're not going to, you're not going to use this as leverage.
	Okay.
	I'm not going to accept like, I'm not going to accept that.
	Okay.
	You want to be with me?
	You can be with me.
	Yeah, him only cut off all your homes before the first date.
	Well, we can get into that later.
	Would you make any sort of like compromises?
	Not even that.
	I don't know.
	Just like if, say, like she wanted to live in a different city, like would you compromise?
	Or what about like a single ceremony?
	Because the whole relationship.
	Does the whole relationship just have to be everything that you want?
	Or are you going to like?
	Yeah, it does.
	Okay.
	It does.
	Well, I guess I'm not just answering this.
	Well, look, you guys want men to lead, right?
	You guys want you want men to take initiative.
	You want men to ask you out.
	You want men to pay for it.
	Hold on.
	Let me finish.
	You want men to ask you out.
	You want men to decide what you want to eat that night.
	You don't know what you want to eat.
	I'll pick what you want to eat.
	You want me to make the decisions.
	You want men to be dominant in the bedroom.
	You want men to be leaders.
	Okay, we don't need the obnoxious gesturing.
	But it seems like in these, so yes, I'm going to be the leader in those sorts of determinations.
	Right.
	No.
	In that scenario, the only scenario where I'm going to consider marriage or consider something like this is if I'm in a relationship with a woman who's substantially out-earning me.
	Okay.
	Only then, for example, if she considers, even then, I would still need to defer leadership to me, even if she's out-earning me.
	I think it's fair to say that's what you're looking for, and that's what maybe the majority of women you've been with are looking for, but it's not fair to say all women are looking for.
	Oh, I didn't say that.
	When you say women generally, what are you saying alluding?
	But so, do you mean in terms of wanting men to take initiative?
	Yeah, I don't think necessarily all women want that.
	So it's not fair to say.
	I actually do think it's fair to say, generally speaking.
	Definitely not.
	Hold on, hold on.
	I actually do think it's fair to say to use women in the general sense.
	Obviously, it's not all women in the sense that I could find you one woman who like approaches men or like takes initiative.
	I can certainly find outliers, but I don't think it's wrong to, for example, say humans have 10 fingers.
	There are some humans who are born with 11.
	But it's not wrong to say that humans have 10 fingers.
	Yeah.
	And I think naturally, biologically, women are wired to be more submissive.
	But I think when you kind of throw in the lovely cultural stew of feminism and all these weird, just new social standards, like the Me Too movement, I think makes it very hard for men to feel like they can approach women.
	Then you get women, whether it's cope or they actually are delusional and believe it, but thinking that they want to be more in their masculine energy and making decisions.
	But I think that's largely a side effect of culture as opposed to your biological wiring.
	Wait, so you think it's what?
	I mean, if you had to assign a percentage in terms of women wanting men to be leaders and take initiative, do you think it's 80% women, 70% women?
	a question of how many women really identify as feminists and have taken that as a core part of their identity I know there are some statistics that say it's like oh I wasn't asking you I was asking her.
	So I was like, yeah.
	Sorry, what was it?
	The percentage.
	Well, because so I made the statement that while women want men to take initiative, be leaders, etc.
	And you were like, well, that's, it's not all women.
	And I don't know if you're arguing like.
	I'm not arguing.
	I was just staying.
	Well, no, no, no, I'm not upset if you are, even if you are arguing.
	But I don't think what you're saying is necessarily false.
	I just don't think we should generalize.
	Well, I mean, just for the sake of a conversation, it can be helpful sometimes to generalize.
	But I mean, we can generalize.
	I mean, in the sense that have you ever approached a guy?
	I have.
	You have?
	I have.
	Okay.
	When you say you approached a guy, did you, like, make eye contact with him and you considered that making the approach?
	No, I'm not scared to go up to men if I find them attractive and maybe ask.
	Of all the times that you've gone on the first date, who initiated that?
	There's been a few times I have.
	You did?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Do you think that's the case for most women?
	No, no, not necessarily.
	Okay.
	Do you think we could probably find like a large cohort of women who have never initiated?
	Absolutely.
	Okay.
	But who have been on numerous first dates?
	Yeah.
	Like, do you think that there's like even the majority of women have never even approached a guy, but they've been on, if they wanted to, or maybe they have, gone on dozens of first dates.
	Yeah, I agree with that.
	Do you think you could say the same thing about men?
	That there's a majority of men who have never made the first move and have been on dozens of dates.
	No, I don't think so.
	Okay.
	So there's differences.
	I mean, there's differences.
	Anyways, we were talking about marriage.
	Again, I don't see the benefit.
	Right.
	I agree with you.
	Having been married myself, I think it complicates a lot of things.
	I think it complicates a lot of things.
	You know, financially, that's a big one for me, financially.
	Like, if I get into another relationship again, I would prefer to have things separated as far as finances.
	I fiercely embrace my independence as a woman.
	So I guess getting into something that's a little bit more long-term, the biggest thing I would do is probably move in with a person.
	But I think that, you know, with divorce and finances, and I think that that complicates a lot of things.
	So I guess that's why I probably would never get married again.
	But that's just me.
	I agree with you, Brian, that in the secular world, only women benefit from marriage and men do not.
	There's no benefit.
	Men do not benefit.
	There's no benefit.
	I'm okay.
	It's all right.
	You're okay with that?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Brian, you can answer my question.
	Would you get married?
	It's like in a civil ceremony.
	Why?
	As a compromise, like you're not legally getting married.
	You're not signing any legal.
	I might have to review the laws, but in this hypothetical.
	No, like if it was just, for example, a backyard party, you have all of your friends and your family there and you're saying.
	How much does she want?
	Verbal commitment.
	It's just a barbecue.
	But you said you wanted a ceremony, so would this take place in the church?
	Like, what is it?
	No, the backyard.
	Say you're living together.
	The ceremony is we invite a bunch of our friends over.
	Yeah, and you say commitment.
	Yeah, and you say commitment.
	That's like some background.
	Do you do whatever live stream?
	She's getting what she wants, which is a commitment, like a commitment that she's showing in front of her friends and family.
	But you're getting what you want.
	What is she actually getting?
	Like, what is she doing?
	I think for women, and I know that a lot of women will concur with me.
	I think women, and I'm not saying all women, but I think a lot of women want the show, want the having people make witness to the testament of love and their love and having their friends and their family and having people witness it is a big deal for women.
	And it's not about the party and it's not about the money.
	It's literally having all of the people that she loves in her life witness it.
	Am I alone?
	I was kind of agreeing with that.
	So women want to have the ceremony, but they don't want to be a wife?
	I don't think that's.
	I've heard that's it.
	I don't think that's what she's saying.
	I don't know if that's what she's saying.
	But then comparing it to a traditional religious marriage, you still have that celebration, right, in front of everybody.
	And like, yes, it's with God, but it's still that celebration with your loved ones to celebrate something.
	So the commitment is what?
	The love toys.
	Yeah, we have a ceremony.
	Yeah, it's just a representation of your commitment.
	Because what's so wrong with that?
	I mean, you can make commitment to each other, but it's.
	I'm good on the ceremony.
	Let's not have any friends over.
	I don't want to do catering, catering.
	I'm good.
	I'm good on it.
	Shout out to luck.
	What's the ceremony?
	It doesn't establish any sort of commitment.
	I feel like some men actually do the ceremony as well, though.
	I think it is mostly for women, but I think there are men out there that are like, okay, yeah, I want to show my friends and family this is the love of my life and it's just a fun like little celebration type thing.
	I think there's a lot of people out there that are like that.
	Yeah.
	And it doesn't have to do for some people it's not like about God and other people it is.
	Regardless of how you feel about it, are you willing to compromise for who you find that you're going to be a part of your partner and just do what they would make them happy, even if you don't see a beneficial point in it?
	Are you willing to do that?
	What is the compromise though?
	You're not getting married legally, but she's getting us a code.
	We all said it earlier and he said that he wouldn't compromise.
	He wants a woman that wants to do exactly what he's doing.
	There's some things you can compromise on, but I just fail to see the purpose of a non-binding ceremony.
	I don't really.
	I feel like it's a status symbol.
	Like women want to be able to be like, I got the guy, which we all do, but in the hypergamous mind of women, it's like you get to show off to your friends that you got the guy, assuming he's like higher value.
	Because I feel like if you were marrying someone that your parents didn't approve of, you wouldn't be all like, let's go have a wedding and bring all the friends here and show it off to everyone.
	I feel like it's kind of a, you want to show off, which is good.
	You should want to show off your partner.
	So then is that difference in male-female sexuality?
	So wait, what?
	The ceremony?
	Who is at the head of the ceremony?
	I have a question.
	Nobody is officiating.
	It's just you and your partner.
	Do I have to give a speech?
	Not if you don't want to.
	It's your wedding.
	There's no ceremony then.
	It's literally you just.
	It's a party?
	I'm okay with a party.
	It could be basically anything.
	Anything could be a ceremony.
	It could be as simple as you exchanging.
	Anything could be a ceremony.
	And someone that does this podcast, he's really nervous.
	He's like, is there going to be a speech?
	Like, what?
	Well, because you said you were introverted, right?
	Well, I guess it's different.
	There's only one.
	What's your definition of a ceremony, though?
	I think that's what he's trying to get at.
	What's the least amount that he could do?
	What's your definition of a ceremony?
	Because there's a lot of different types of ceremonies.
	And do you know that marriages are also kind of considered as rituals?
	Word?
	Word?
	As far as the ceremony goes, I mean, I guess.
	I don't know.
	There you go.
	Do the barbecue.
	I'll do a barbecue.
	That just sounds like a party, though.
	It doesn't sound like a ceremony.
	He's making a deal.
	It's not like parties.
	A party could be a ceremony.
	I don't like parties.
	It literally could be just be a couple sentences back and forth.
	Yeah.
	Well, no more than five minutes.
	I feel so backwards.
	Also.
	Haggard.
	I don't.
	I don't know.
	If you didn't want to have a huge wedding, you don't necessarily need to.
	You could have it with just a few people.
	That's the thing.
	It's an anti-wedding.
	You don't have a wedding.
	He doesn't want to wedge.
	Don't want a wedding.
	Don't want a marriage.
	You want a girl to cut off all of her hoes before the first date, but you will not commit to her ever.
	Of course, I'm committing to her.
	Brian.
	How do you prove it?
	Naomi.
	And how do you prove it?
	Brian.
	How do you prove it?
	Naomi.
	But without a wedding, how do you prove it?
	What would you wait?
	How do I prove?
	Prove what?
	I mean, that you are.
	The marriage is kind of that simple.
	Like, the proof of commitment.
	That's what it is.
	You're going to get a promise ring.
	The proof.
	What a promise ring.
	Okay, so let's actually go back to religious weddings.
	So what are the vows that are typically exchanged?
	Till death do us part.
	What's the divorce rate in this country?
	50%.
	I think it's more than 50%.
	So you get up, you do a.
	We're part of it.
	Figure, you do a you two are divorced, you do a five-figure ceremony, there there's a there's a head of the church there, whatever, and you exchange vows in front of dozens or even hundreds of your closest friends and family.
	You say, I will be with you till death do us part.
	And despite this commitment and despite the ceremony, people still get divorced frequently.
	Frequently.
	So, you talk of commitment.
	Where's the commitment?
	And women overwhelmingly initiate divorces.
	It's like 80% of women end divorces.
	So, it's interesting to me.
	How can it possibly be actually?
	I want to go around the table on this.
	Here, we'll go around the table on this.
	More often than not, of all the relationships that you've had, and this can be anywhere from you've gone on a couple dates to you've been dating for years to marry.
	More often than not, do you end the relationship or does the guy?
	I've ended every single relationship.
	You've ended every single relationship.
	What about you?
	I've also ended every single relationship.
	How many relationships have you been in?
	Three.
	What about you?
	Three.
	What about you?
	Yeah, same.
	The last one was like kind of mutual.
	Well, state your answer.
	Mostly me.
	Mostly you.
	How many relationships have you been in?
	Four or five.
	What about you?
	I've ended them all.
	I think like five.
	Five relationships?
	You've ended them all?
	I've ended them all, and I've only been in two.
	Two.
	What about you?
	I think I've been in like five or six, and only once has somebody else ended the relationship.
	What about you?
	I would say 75% me, and I think I've been in eight or nine relationships.
	I've been in four relationships, and I've ended all of them.
	Ended all three.
	Whoa.
	So hold on.
	A typical complaint I hear from women is: why are men so commitment phobic?
	Why are men scared of commitment?
	Why don't men want to get married?
	Well, we've just, I mean, this is because they cheat, right?
	But you guys are so pressed to get commitment from men.
	I'm not pressed at all.
	Hold on, hold on, hold on.
	You guys want commitment so badly.
	You want marriage so badly.
	I don't want marriage.
	Okay, hold on, hold on.
	Let me make my point.
	It does seem to be.
	Would you agree, though, that typically it seems to be women who will like push men towards commitment?
	Like trying to get commitment from the man.
	In my experience, no.
	Okay.
	In any case, in any case, I often hear complaints from women saying that men, why are they scared of commitment?
	They're commitment phobic.
	Why don't men want to commit?
	All of you, it's almost unanimous.
	Have ended all of your relationships.
	Once you get commitment, you overwhelmingly end up with a message.
	So who's really, who's really grown up in cheating?
	All of you ended.
	All of you ended.
	Right.
	That's why you ended the relationship.
	All of you ended your relationship.
	Because of the man.
	But because of the man Brian.
	I feel like probably most of the women here have ended those relationships because that man probably did some lack of commitment.
	Like lack of commitment.
	Like she said, like I ended both or one of mine because I was getting cheated on.
	And then the only reason I ended the other one was just because we weren't right for each other.
	But you all talk about commitment.
	Like, oh, Brian, you don't want to get married.
	But if you find out that they're fucking other people, then like.
	Y'all be ending all of your relationships.
	Because they weren't working out.
	Why is that?
	It has nothing to do with that.
	What's that going on?
	Brian, I have an answer.
	Why can't you commit and work through the problem?
	Some problems aren't worth working with.
	Someone who just came out of the relationship that I had.
	Okay, that was fair.
	That was just he was trying to get you to.
	No, That's where he draws the line.
	That's not it.
	No, I mean, I can.
	I'll give you a pass.
	I'm in my last relationship, the seven-month one.
	I feel like, and I'll speak for myself.
	I don't want to speak for everyone, but I feel like I compromise my own boundaries for the sake of love and for the sake of, you know, this person's so great, it, you know, overshadows all the negative.
	And I feel like by not having boundaries and by not upholding them, you allow things in your life that later on hurt you and ultimately end up being the demise of the relationship to begin with.
	Sure.
	So I feel like having standards and having boundaries and respecting yourself the most out of everyone in your life, no one is going to respect you more than you respect you.
	And what you allow to happen will continue to happen.
	So I feel like for myself, this is why I'm single and will stay single for a while, is I need to work on my self-respect because I require a lot.
	I deserve a lot and I bring a lot to the table.
	And I feel like as women, it's easy to let our boundaries slip for the sake of love.
	Did I make a point though, Brian?
	Well, what was the point?
	Well, you said that men don't want to commit and like they don't.
	And that's the reason why we ultimately end up ending relationships.
	Or they're just abusive.
	All of us like raise our hands, right?
	They did something to make us initiate that.
	Why is it that we should just there?
	So you're saying okay with that.
	Is your argument that for all the girls here who answered, when they in all the instances that they ended a relationship, in every instance, it was either infidelity or abuse?
	It wasn't.
	Do you genuinely name that?
	Do you genuinely think that that's the case for all instances when women end marriage relationships?
	No, but I'm saying, look at this.
	How many girls are here right now?
	And we all raise our hands?
	Yeah.
	About what?
	That you got cheated on?
	Yeah, and that's a reason why we ended a relationship.
	It wasn't just like, oh, I'm sick of you.
	That's justifiable.
	I think girls are more loyal than guys.
	Eh, not so sure about that.
	Girls are way more loyal than guys.
	What does commitment mean, though?
	Like, I don't think commitment means, oh, you stay together forever, no matter what.
	Like, I don't think that's what they are.
	I mean, until things are, you shouldn't be together anymore.
	I don't know.
	I just just because we've broken up with our boyfriends doesn't mean we don't want commitment.
	We just want the person that we're with at that time to be committed to us.
	And it goes back to self-respect.
	I said in the beginning that cheating is a non-negotiable for me.
	So if that's something, who is it in the vote?
	I mean, who would have been there?
	I know some people.
	Last time I was on here, Michael Knowles was on here, and he said even if his wife cheated on him, he would stay with her.
	And I'm like, he's Catholic, though.
	He's Catholic.
	I would grip that.
	I don't know, in infidelity, you can, can you?
	I think even in the Catholic faith, if there's abuse or something, you can still get a divorce.
	But I'm just saying, like, that's okay to have a lot of people.
	Happy disposition.
	What?
	Anyways, hold on.
	I got to move on.
	I want to bring it back to what we were talking about, though.
	That's crazy.
	It all stemmed from me asking you about your witchcraft.
	Oh, welcome.
	And somehow it got into marriage.
	She was asking if you were religious because you got the cross on your, you're wearing a cross.
	Yeah, I said it was a crazy thing.
	So you have a cross earring here, but on your other side, there's a pentagram.
	Isn't pentagram symbol.
	And I also have the astrology wheel right here.
	Okay.
	But why wear the cross at all?
	Because you know what the cross symbolizes.
	And if you don't, I do know what it is.
	What does it symbolize?
	Yeah, of course, Christianity.
	No, but get more granular with it.
	Do you want to explain it for me?
	Yeah, I have no problem.
	So the cross is a symbol worldwide to represent that Christ died on the cross, was crucified on the cross.
	And that is the only symbol for what a cross stands for.
	Hold on.
	Thomas the poet donated $100.
	Are you Christian?
	The lack of accountability from the ladies on the panel is just astounding.
	Are you saying you played no role in the end of the relationship?
	If you played no role, then can you not choose good men?
	So to that question, absolutely.
	It takes two to tango, and I feel like I didn't show up in a relationship respecting myself, and I allowed myself to be disrespected.
	And that's my part in the relationship: going into it, not fully being the person.
	I you need to be the person you want to find a partner.
	Like, the level of respect, the level of morals and values you.
	You're talking to her, right?
	No, I'm answering the question.
	Oh, okay, I see.
	Okay, no, I'm just saying.
	So, um, the question that came up on the screen: hold on: seven sectillion, seven hundred and seventy-seven sextillion, seven hundred and seventy-seven quintillion, seven hundred and seventy-seven quadrillion, seven hundred and seventy-seven trillion, seven hundred and seventy-seven billion seven hundred and seventy-seven million seven hundred and seventy-seven thousand seven hundred and seventy-seven donated one hundred dollars.
	That's dope, though, question for the ladies.
	What decades did World War I and World War II occur?
	Bonus question: Name one allied power and one access power from World War II.
	Okay, we're gonna start with you.
	We'll go around the table on this question.
	What was the question?
	Decades.
	What decades did World War I and World War II occur?
	And then there's the bonus question: name one allied power and one access power from World War II.
	Go ahead.
	I'm not educated enough for that.
	We're gonna start with the decades, starting with you.
	I'm not educated enough for that.
	How about just guess?
	I'm not, I don't have a guess.
	You don't want to guess?
	Pull your mic closer to you, please.
	No, guess.
	Pull your mic closer.
	Don't pull yourself closer to the mic.
	Just take a guess.
	Engage with the con with the message.
	999999999.
	Just, no, just.
	You deliver a guess.
	How about what century do you think World War I and World War II occurred?
	100.
	No, just answer.
	Okay, you're not going to be bad faith.
	Answer the question.
	I just, I'm not educated enough for this topic.
	I don't want to give my response.
	Can you respect that?
	Are you just going to say that for all the other questions, though?
	No, no, of course not.
	Well, why don't you just engage in good faith with the question and just take a guess?
	Okay, can I have like a time range that I can guess from?
	Give her an ABC.
	So, yeah, like, so there's, there's before Christ.
	There's B C A D.
	So let's say from like year zero to 2000.
	That's the range.
	Zero.
	World War I, World War II.
	Oh, World War II.
	Okay.
	Yeah, that one.
	Okay, so AC.
	Fuck.
	Can I just say AC at this point?
	Air conditioning?
	Yeah, air conditioning.
	Yeah, literally.
	Okay, but just you're going to have to answer the question.
	Okay.
	Take a guess.
	After Christ and then century.
	Fourth?
	Tenth.
	Century.
	369.
	Mafia.
	Do you want to just answer the question so I can move forward?
	I don't know what century.
	I don't know.
	There's a difference between giving a troll answer and making a good faith guess.
	Go ahead.
	Why does she have to guess?
	Stop.
	Just go ahead.
	You're burning a lot of time here.
	Can you kindly just make a guess?
	Well, I told you I'm not educated.
	Clearly.
	What about you?
	Thank you.
	Might sound really stupid, but early 1900s.
	So, okay, what decades did World War I and World War II occur?
	In the 1900s.
	Well, those are two separate wars.
	I know.
	I'm saying.
	Okay, early 1900s.
	Yeah.
	Decade?
	Give us a decade.
	I don't know.
	So 1910s, 1920s, 1930s, 1940s, 1950s?
	I'm going to guess World War I was early 1920s, maybe.
	1920s to 30s.
	World War II, maybe 50s to 60s.
	All right, what about you?
	Not good at history.
	I was a science major.
	1930s for World War I, 1940s for World War II.
	That's my final answer.
	What about you?
	Yeah, 1920s to 30s for World War I, and then later for World War II.
	Well, which 50-60s.
	50-60s, okay.
	I would say 1930s, 1940s for World War I, and then 50-60s for two?
	I don't know.
	All right.
	1910s to 1920s for World War I. 1920s to 4, late 1920s to 40s for World War II.
	Okay, what about you?
	To be honest, I have no idea.
	I was a science major too.
	I'm going to guess early or the 10s decade and the 40s.
	Okay.
	Tens Decade, 1917 for World War I. What is it?
	1934.
	I'm just literally going to 1916.
	To 1934 or 1936 for World War II.
	I was going to say.
	July 1914 to go first in that.
	September 1918 for them like November 1939.
	Period.
	Or sorry, sorry, sorry.
	We love that.
	September.
	1st, technically.
	1939 to September, I think, 2nd, 1940.
	That's our history girl right there.
	Sam, we name Axis ahead of time.
	Yes, we do.
	We are going to do the bonus question.
	We'll go around.
	So this is for World War II.
	This is for World War II.
	Don't read that.
	This is for World War II.
	Name one Allied power and one Axis power from World War II.
	Go ahead.
	I don't know.
	How is this role?
	Go ahead.
	Sorry, what did you say?
	I was reading the comments.
	Yeah, I was literally...
	God, bro.
	Please, just try to pay attention.
	You've been zoning out, looking at the fucking monitor the entire time.
	For the rest of the show, don't even look at the monitor.
	Look at me or look at who's talking.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	World War II, one Allied power, one access power.
	Go ahead.
	I don't even know what that means.
	One Allied power.
	Okay, are you familiar at all with World War II?
	I haven't taken a history class in like four years.
	Okay, so one, name a bad guy and name a good guy.
	Oh my god.
	From World War II.
	I don't know.
	Why do you keep asking me these questions that I don't know?
	I keep telling you I'm not.
	Is your answer just you don't know?
	Yeah.
	Okay, what about you?
	One Allied power, one access power from World War II.
	I'm going to be honest, I'm not going to sound too much of a genius.
	I'm not totally sure on the definition of those, so I don't know if I feel comfortable answering.
	Exactly.
	Okay.
	Sorry.
	Fuck.
	Um, shit.
	Japan.
	For which?
	Exactly.
	They were against us.
	The Broneson stenics.
	In the Pearl Harbor.
	Repeal the 19th Amendment immediately.
	The majority of these women make our target people look like they have their stuff together.
	Gothmong chick needs the boot.
	Gustavo, get the fucking rocks.
	What does boost mean?
	Get the rocks.
	Abdul.
	Yeah, get the rocks.
	Get the rocks.
	I saw it in Pearl Harbor.
	That's not a power.
	Like, that's not one of the powers.
	That was Japan.
	So, okay, one.
	I know, I was saying that was in my head.
	One Allied power, one access power from World War II.
	Okay, what about you?
	We were against Vietnam.
	No.
	Oh, boy.
	Michael.
	Dude, tell me.
	Wait, so World War II, one allied power, one access power.
	Go ahead.
	I obviously do not know.
	Okay, what about you?
	I don't know either, so I'm just not going to guess either.
	Okay.
	I don't know how it's relevant.
	The British for allies to make us look for blame.
	Russia or Japan.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	All right.
	What about you?
	Midway, Japan for...
	Midway was an island in the Pacific, but...
	Right, but that was Japan, right?
	That was part of Charlotte Harbor.
	Yes, Japan access power.
	Yep.
	Allied power?
	The British.
	Okay, what about you?
	I would say the British is.
	I'm just piggybacking off of you, to be honest.
	I'd say the British are our.
	Our gosh, say that five times fast.
	Are our allies in Japan?
	Do you want to give us three allied powers?
	I thought this was a dating show.
	I want to know if this is relevant in Japan, Mussolini, Italy, Hitler, Germany.
	And then on the other side of things, you have the United States, France, not the Vichy government.
	You also have the Soviet Union, technically China.
	Thank you for the major, to be fair.
	A lot of us were.
	Thank you for the crash question.
	United States, Germany.
	Yeah, but all the history.
	a lot of us haven't taken history in like six years i graduated high school in like but don't you like world war ii the biggest conflict But the history books, are they really that accurate?
	Not a lot of us, like, whatever.
	Not a lot of people.
	I feel like understanding history matters.
	I feel like you guys do 100%.
	We try to show more about Kim Kardashian.
	I think this shows that the school system here has failed us.
	Yeah, it really.
	Let's blame the school system.
	Or the history books.
	But what about like I can't remember like a lot.
	Like I'm on Wikipedia.
	What other self-knowledge is not a good vlogger for self-knowledge?
	History is one.
	I want to keep it, you know, the chatter sent it in.
	I asked it, but it's not really.
	Yeah, they want us to look at it.
	To be fair, every single person at this table has something that we're all knowledgeable.
	Let's move forward.
	Nah, bro.
	All right.
	Go ahead.
	Yeah.
	Where is it?
	Oh, Brie is easily the most beautiful woman you've had on.
	You should all recognize.
	She is beautiful.
	Who would date Brian?
	Matchmaking Brown.
	Who's Brie?
	Who's Brie?
	Oh, okay.
	Hey, Brian.
	Oh, my God.
	All right.
	If you want, okay, we'll go around the table.
	He's asking if you would date me.
	Go ahead.
	No.
	That's fine.
	No.
	I don't have any hosts, so I mean, if you want to get dinner after this.
	Hey.
	Not a no.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	That's nice.
	How old are you?
	34.
	Too young.
	I'm like the dad bots.
	I'm into that.
	Wait, would you date boss?
	I have a question, Brian.
	Sorry, no.
	You're very cool.
	All right.
	There you go.
	All right.
	Yeah.
	What was your question?
	If I were to say yes, would you date me for my age?
	Wait, what do you mean?
	Because I'm 24.
	For your age?
	Yeah, like, am I too young for you?
	No.
	Okay, interesting.
	There's other considerations, though.
	I will say that.
	We have.
	Wait, can you only date male witches if that's a thing?
	She can date warlocks.
	Who do you date?
	Wait, let me have you read this one.
	Love the panel tonight, especially Naomi.
	Effing, love her, Brian.
	Her body is just sick.
	Naomi, I totally crush for you.
	Simp.
	How do I make that happen?
	She does.
	She has visible abs.
	Is this like one of your homies?
	I don't know.
	I hope so.
	It's just a little.
	Are you sub to my OnlyFans Thomas?
	Maybe.
	What?
	You're getting money from this.
	All right.
	Thank you.
	Yeah, literally.
	It's just a little simpish, you know?
	But all right, thank you.
	I liked Sims.
	I told you that last shot.
	Can you read this one?
	Was seeing a Crystal's girl for a couple of months.
	She said she never got married because she doesn't want government to have a say in her relationship.
	She was a walking red flag, but that throat was primo.
	Oh, man.
	What was I supposed to say?
	She was the mouth that got away.
	Okay.
	Thank you, Clay.
	Or maybe she got away.
	That's interesting.
	All right.
	And then we have a chat here from Stephen.
	Thank you.
	Marriage is a spiritual union, covenant before God.
	Marriage between a man and a woman is a direct reflection, spelling error, of Christ's love for the church.
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	Okay.
	Stephen Carrera.
	Appreciate your super chat, man.
	Thank you very much.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	Okay, where were we?
	We were talking about you being a witch.
	You talk about halfway around the table about something.
	Yeah, we probably don't think so.
	No, we were.
	Yeah, I don't know what it was.
	We were way off topic.
	Way past it.
	I think you were talking about marriage.
	Yeah, it was something to do with marriage.
	Was it?
	Yeah.
	we were talking about oh you're right the Are you actually single?
	Was the conversation.
	I was a little more curious just to wrap up the witch conversation.
	So you cast spells or what exactly do you do?
	Currently, I'm not casting spells.
	I'm just educating myself a little bit more before I have done like one or two spells, but it was all about myself, all about emotional empowerment and stuff like that.
	Okay, got it.
	Got it.
	All right.
	So we were going around the table when it comes to your relationship status.
	So I think we finished with you.
	You claimed proper single.
	I'm single.
	You're proper.
	Wait, but so hold on.
	We'll get to you in a sec.
	So last time you were on the show, you gave me quite a bit of pushback because I said that when first meeting a girl, I would want her to be properly single and not like dating a bunch of other dudes, even if she wasn't have sex with them.
	I just wouldn't want a girl who's like dating a bunch of dudes.
	Certainly, it's 100% a deal breaker if she's currently sexually involved with another guy, even if it's casual.
	Even if it's casual for me, 100% deal breaker.
	Goodbye, back to the streets you go.
	Yet you are currently precisely in that situation.
	So why do you find it objectionable for me to essentially desire a woman who's in your position?
	I mean, it's not realistic to assume that every woman is in my position.
	And like, I'm very untraditional, clearly, but I do want a traditional relationship.
	Make that make sense.
	You're non-traditional, but you want a traditional relationship.
	So if I didn't tell you what I did for work, I mean, you would have no idea, right?
	What's the context of me being untraditional?
	Because otherwise, I feel like I'm a very traditional person.
	There'd be other indicators.
	What are the other indicators?
	Well, I mean, even if you didn't disclose, even if you did not disclose what you do for work, for example, I mean, it could be something to do with your appearance.
	It could be your degree of modesty, that sort of thing, which could make it guide someone in determining whether they view you as a traditional woman or not.
	Do you think you haven't been able to attract a traditional man or traditional relationship because of what you do for work, or why do you think you haven't been able to?
	I'm not looking for a relationship right now, so I'm not, like, even trying to.
	And, like, any man that's trying to talk to me.
	But didn't you just say you do, hypothetically down the road, want a traditional relationship?
	Yeah, down the road.
	Do you think you're deserving, given your line of employment, of a traditional relationship?
	Everybody is deserving of love.
	No, I respect your relationship.
	Well, I think people can be accountable for their actions.
	Accountable.
	And aren't you a religious person?
	Don't you believe that God is the person who would ultimately be holding her accountable?
	Well, I think if you engage in a profession where you're constantly making men or whoever engage in sinful actions such as lust and frankly contributing to the decline of marriage and a lot of religious institutions and values in this country, then I would say you're not necessarily an innocent bystander.
	I agree God is the ultimate judge, but from an anecdotal level of just your experience, I think if you're engaged in an industry that isn't really doing anything to promote values that are good for a society or frankly for women, then I don't necessarily think that you deserve to be, I'm saying you specifically, but just people who engage in that deserve to be, or not even deserve, I just don't think you would really find a man who would bring to the table what you want because any traditional man is not going to put up with someone who has a past like yours.
	I very much disagree.
	So the last time I was on here, I respect your opinion.
	Michael Knowles, right, was on here the last time and we were going back and forth quite a bit and he even talked about a 10-year rager period where he went off the walls, him and his wife now, who he was a high school sweetheart with, they broke up for 10 years.
	He went on a bender, he did ungodly things, and then now he's back on his path.
	I mean, he's now traditional, conservative, has that traditional woman, they have that traditional relationship.
	And so I just don't think like what I do now defines me.
	Yeah, it's part of who I am and they have to accept that.
	Well, what he did though, I think there is a difference there, right?
	Having like a decade of fun versus having videos of yourself having sexual relations with other men on the internet, there's a little bit of a message.
	I'm sure he didn't disclose what he did though.
	I highly doubt Michael Knowles was filming.
	We don't know.
	I don't know that.
	Fairly confident to say that there's no pornography.
	But still, I think that he's a good person.
	He could have recorded himself.
	To that point, I think one of the issues with women who engage in, I don't like the term sex work, but if you want to call it that, is that you take on, I think, a very masculine interpretation of sexuality.
	In other words, I think that Michael Knowles can probably, or whoever it is, a guy can get away with having 10 years of fun and it doesn't have as much of a negative ramification on them.
	Whereas female Sexuality, it really makes it harder for you to, I think, pair bond with your mate down the road when you have sex with a lot of people, or if you just view sex as sort of a commodified.
	I don't have sex with a lot of people.
	I have a lot of people.
	I think that's a very valid point.
	I think it's a valid point.
	I just well, also, too, I think my other issue, even taking the sex stuff out of it, like, for example, you know, oh, say, if you had children, or would someone who used to do OnlyFans like make a good wife?
	I think even the fact that there's, like I said, explicit content of you on the internet, I also think, and again, I mean this in a respectful way, but I think it's it speaks to people's character and morality in the sense that, again, I'm sure you'll hit me with that you find doing OnlyFans really empowering and we can have that discussion.
	But I think it sort of shows that people prioritize short-term gain for short or for just short-term profit, like it's immediate gratification.
	Because again, I don't buy into the narrative that if you join OnlyFans, you just start making six figures a month.
	On average, you make $180 a month and OnlyFans loves it.
	That myth is perpetuated.
	But putting that aside, I just think that it speaks to a woman's character that they would do that.
	And I think that that, speaking of commitment, to me would make it think that someone who does OnlyFans and is so willing and eager to sell their body for male validation or for what probably have a higher propensity to cheat.
	And frankly, I don't know if they would make, from just looking at it objectively, from a mating perspective, necessarily a great mom.
	Because I think that, like I said, it's putting short-term gratification for money, for whatever lifestyle you want, and not looking down the road.
	I don't know if you want to have kids, but I do, yeah.
	And I don't think it's going to affect my children and my unborn children.
	How can you say that though?
	I mean, it's a profession, regardless.
	I worked in corporate before I did OnlyFans.
	I did both at the same time.
	So like at first, it was a secret.
	I kept it a very big secret from everything.
	So if you had to keep it a secret, though, was that because it was bad?
	Because I didn't want to get fired.
	So why would they have fired you though?
	Because that's just how it is.
	I still think I, I mean, it's my body.
	So I can.
	So my question to you girls that do OnlyFans and stuff like that, what's your exit plan?
	I had a question, so now my brain is scattering.
	Sorry.
	My exit plan out of all of this?
	Just specifically getting out of sex work?
	I want to throw my own events.
	I'm an event management major while I'm working on there.
	But do you have like a timeline or like a...
	Like a goal, like...
	Mm-hmm.
	Like I make X amount of money now, I can retire.
	Or I have two years in, I'm done now.
	Yes.
	Are you guys going to pull the like NALA card and be like, oh, I forgive myself for what I did.
	I'm repenting.
	I'm like, I'm very proud.
	She still has her OnlyFans, though.
	Wait, no, but about the question.
	You guys are both Christian, right?
	Yeah.
	I am.
	Okay, so I had super religious, actually.
	I had Christians knock on my door the other day.
	Maybe it's a sign.
	But they were just explaining to me like your guys' beliefs and everything.
	So I was asking them about like, okay, so he died for our sins.
	So they told me that means we came to this life already as sinners.
	So we can do whatever we want as long as we believe in Jesus Christ.
	Question mark and God.
	Because that's how they made it seem.
	Because I was like, I don't want to say the R word, the R word, but I was like, so if I R word someone, I'm still going to heaven.
	So the reason why we have free will and the reason why there's so much death and destruction and evilness in this world, which is very unfortunate, is because we have free will.
	And God wouldn't be a loving and gracious father if he made us love him.
	So the free will is by choice, we get to choose to love him or we get to choose not to.
	That's why there's death and destruction and chaos.
	But when it comes to intentionally making bad decisions, you can live your entire life and make intentionally, really, really bad decisions.
	But the turning point in Christianity specifically is acknowledging that you've made faults, acknowledging that you've hurt people, acknowledging your sins and turning from it.
	But yeah, and then still, of course, like praising and like religious.
	My opposition though to what you guys do is not really actually derived necessarily from religious stuff.
	I think it's more that what you guys are doing is part of a myriad of ways that whether it's big corporations, elites in this country, powerful globalist organizations want to destroy the nuclear family, want to destroy traditional gender roles, want to frankly destroy traditional relationships.
	So I'm not couching it in like religious stuff.
	I think you look at life more as a physical material matter way.
	I do.
	Yeah, because like you believe in heaven and everything, right?
	Like you go to heaven.
	Yes.
	See, I believe in reincarnation.
	So my body right now, this body isn't going to come with me to the next life.
	So whether I'm making money, however the fuck you guys care about, it doesn't matter, in my opinion.
	But sorry to say that I'm not even talking just about you.
	I'm talking about the other people's lives that you're impacting.
	Not you specifically, but with the work that OnlyFans creates.
	Like, do you think OnlyFans is a net positive on society?
	I think it's an inevitable part of that.
	Men watch porn regardless.
	So I think if they're going to watch free porn, they might as well watch it.
	I think everything porn sexuality isn't.
	Okay, no, no, no.
	But like everything's for a reason.
	So that's like what I had to say.
	If no offense, if I ask you if what you do is good for society and within one second, your comeback is, well, it's just going to happen.
	That's not really a great argument for why it's good.
	That's just sort of like a neutral wash, right?
	I mean, so what's the difference between mainstream porn and OnlyFans to you in your consumed OnlyFans content or explicit content?
	I don't believe it.
	Are you scared of it?
	I am scared of what you guys are doing to your bodies, your souls, and the men who watch your content.
	So yes, I would say I am scared of it.
	May I ask why you're scared of it?
	Like, is there anything in your childhood that like no?
	I actually have wonderful parents who raised me, and I think that's precisely why I'm scared of it.
	Have you been cheated on a lot?
	Like, because usually people who are like scared of like girls like that.
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	I don't think the reason that I'm opposed to OnlyFans is because I think that that's why men have cheated on me, if that's what you're saying.
	No, yeah, I was just trying to pick your brain a little bit, but yeah, no, because I like to see the root of why people are this way.
	Is there a reason why you do OnlyFans?
	Like, oh, well, someone's, they're going to consume the content anyways.
	I can't make a change, so I may as well do it.
	That's not mine.
	Not so much.
	Why do you guys do it then?
	I like genuinely enjoy it, to be so honest.
	And like, your point of like, you were raised by good parents, like, I totally respect that.
	And like, that's your viewpoint on why you don't enjoy porn.
	But like, I was raised by really good parents also, and I come from a good family.
	That's true.
	And they have good morals at the end of the day.
	Do they approve of what you do for work?
	They support me because they are very open-minded.
	Yeah.
	So my question to you ladies is: if you genuinely think that what you do contributes positively to society, if let's just say that what you're doing, you're running a business, right?
	If you had to create a mission statement, can you give me some character traits of what your business consists of?
	Would it be honesty, respect, loyalty?
	Of course.
	Give me some characteristics of the business that you run.
	Loyalty, like you said, respect, commitment.
	But don't just pair it off of what I'm saying.
	Okay, I'm chatting.
	No, no, because I'm genuinely trying to understand because commitment.
	Because how can you tell if a man or woman is single?
	How can you tell if you're not talking to someone that is already taken?
	How can you tell?
	But that's the thing.
	Companionship, though.
	I would say companionship.
	I'm very honest with me.
	I don't have chatters, so it is me speaking.
	Do you guys ever talk to them, though, one-on-one?
	Yeah, and don't you think it's better to profit off of a man who's cheating on their wife?
	No, I don't think it's pure enabling.
	What?
	Interesting.
	I don't feel that way.
	I get it, but, like, we all obviously have different views, like, spiritually, religiously, and I just...
	Yes, but I think what you guys do, you play the, like, laissez-faire, like, oh, I'm just doing this because it's fun and empowering, but it has a really, really negative effect on society.
	And I'm just wondering if you're not.
	No, I do agree because porn addiction is a very big thing.
	So I don't believe porn addiction.
	What do you believe in that?
	You don't believe porn addiction?
	I mean, yeah, it hasn't scientifically been proven as a thing.
	Gambling has, but porn hasn't.
	I think porn addiction is definitely.
	Even Billie Eilish made a song about it.
	Well, we can pull it.
	But I just, do you really want to be sitting there defending being like porn addiction isn't a thing?
	I'm just saying.
	I'm selling naked pictures of my body online is great.
	What do you want, but it hasn't been proven by science.
	So you think that enough.
	I've got to trust the studies.
	I mean, is religion proven by science?
	I guess I am not someone.
	I'm just playing devil's advocate.
	Have I once rooted my arguments in anything religious?
	No, you're good.
	You're good.
	I was just, yeah.
	Questioning.
	That's not what I, but I just, I think you guys, like I said, I said, can you point to one positive thing that what OnlyFans, that OnlyFans does for society?
	Companionship.
	I can chime in.
	Only I don't do OnlyFans, but I can say I grew up when the internet was just getting started, and I think for many girls, young girls, they can learn about themselves, learn about their bodies.
	I think that's disgusting, especially when you see how they've been pushing because of the content on young girls.
	Why do you think it's disgusting?
	That means you're looking at them sexually.
	That's disgusting.
	And not all.
	Not all of them like that porn showing.
	No, I didn't say porn.
	I didn't say porn.
	Not all OnlyFans is completely explicit.
	Some of these things are.
	Young girls are going to OF to get sexual health education.
	Is that what?
	Some might.
	That's absurd.
	That's not what I'm saying.
	That's absurd.
	Some might.
	I don't marry.
	Or some might grow up in such a religious that they're afraid to explore that.
	That is precisely my point.
	And that OnlyFans creates a pathway and a pipeline to normalizing, commodifying your body and viewing sex through a very weird, very parasocial lens that if that platform didn't exist, those people would not have access to the platform.
	Now, I'm sure all you sexually liberated, however you want to euphemize it, women would say, oh, that's so great that young women can sit there and when they're 16 because they're evil Christian parents or like don't have premarital sex.
	Oh, well, I don't feel that way.
	That's precisely the problem.
	So let me ask you a question.
	How did you learn about sex?
	I had sex ed in my class or my school that did nothing like that.
	So isn't the internet basically a huge conglomerate of sex ed and all of the different avenues that one could educate themselves?
	I'm not critiquing learning about sex.
	My critique is very specific to OnlyFans in the context of what she said, which is that OnlyFans, the one-liner on why the elevator pitch for OnlyFans is that it's, quote, great for commitment.
	And I think that that is abjectly false.
	Right.
	Great companionship.
	People like to spend their time with me.
	I don't even know.
	I'm not always naked on that.
	I think that's a sort of a siren song.
	I think it's a false flag in the sense that you're perpetuating this lie, this frankly, delusion in these guys' heads that they're in a relationship with you.
	You're privately chatting with them, right?
	You're giving them the girlfriend experience.
	That's the distinguishing factor between OnlyFans and porn, but you're not ever actually giving them a meaningful relationship.
	You're just sort of stringing along the guy into thinking that they could potentially have something with you.
	And frankly, that's probably why you sit there and say you aren't seeing anyone because that's a real critical part of it.
	Maybe that's better for him than nothing.
	So let me bring up a point.
	What about Twitch?
	So a girl that's streaming on Twitch, she's not naked, and she's getting donations for hanging out with people.
	Then what are your thoughts on that?
	Simps.
	Yeah, I mean, but she's not.
	Oh, so how is that different if I'm not?
	There's nothing in my life.
	I mean, people who watch my show, they're not watching me because they're lonely.
	They're watching because they want to watch political content.
	No, you're actually having a really good investigative report.
	No, I'm sure you're very, and I've been very careful to not have my job because of the way I look.
	But frankly, what you just said right there, I think, is a perfect reflection of the OnlyFans mindset.
	I know you were half kidding when you said that, but that shows you that you've commodified me into the reason that I have my job is because of how I look.
	I have my job because I'm actually extremely well educated and I'm a very good investigative reporter.
	But from the OnlyFans mindset, you would only think that I have my job because of the way I look because that's all you're valued for.
	But I didn't say that about that.
	I want to flip that.
	You're looking at us like that.
	Well, because you guys are doing that to yourself.
	I wasn't doing it to you.
	Well, I'm going to look at you guys as people who commodify and exploit your body.
	Immediately.
	I do.
	So when you find out that we have OnlyFans, you're just like.
	I think it speaks to your character.
	I do.
	I get it.
	Don't you think?
	I mean, I'm just like, you probably think me working for Steve Bannon, who I don't know your politics, but you think that speaks to my character.
	I think what you choose your professionally speaks to your character, right?
	That's not a judgmental.
	I mean, I guess it's judgmental definitionally, but that's not a judgmental with a pejorative connotation.
	I'm just holding you guys accountable for your actions, just like if you guys don't like Trump, I'm sure you would hold me accountable for working for arguably the most MA, most pro-Trump podcast in the media ecosystem, right?
	Yeah.
	So I'm holding you guys accountable for what you do too.
	I just think what you do is considerably, considerably worse for the country, for society writ large.
	And I don't think you guys have really given me one actual reason as to why it's good.
	Society.
	Well, society's.
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	Listen to me very carefully.
	There is a reason why, for all of human history, for thousands of years, prostitution and selling yourself has mostly been viewed as shameful.
	Society is unraveling.
	You say society is huge, but not with declining birth rates.
	I just think you're too attached to physical and material items, and I think you need to touch grass and meditate.
	Touch wait, she just gotta come up with it.
	Because you're just too attached to OnlyFans, girls.
	What is this session?
	You said that she's you said Natalie is too attached to physical and material.
	Yeah, because when you think about it, but look at all the accessories you have.
	It's physical and material, mindful, intellectual, and emotional.
	I know it is.
	You sell your body.
	I've never sold anything physical.
	I know, but I believe that my soul is going to reincarnate to the next life.
	And you reincarnate and said duck.
	Yes, and my physical skills are not going to be a good thing.
	You got a duck coming up with you.
	It is not coming with me to the next life.
	That's what I'm going to do.
	Is your body not coming with you?
	My body, no, just my soul.
	Word.
	I respect all your points you're making.
	I just disagree.
	You disagree with me.
	I just gave my own.
	That's why we're here.
	Yeah.
	But I just, I still don't think you guys have given like any defense of why only you can use whatever word you want instead of defend, but I do, like, I can say what I do for work.
	I'm very proud to wake up every day and have the job I do.
	I think it's a net positive for society.
	Can you guys say that?
	I mean, for my subscribers, yeah, I impact their life in a positive way.
	Wait, just curious how?
	Yeah, I already said companionship.
	And I'm not selling a false girlfriend.
	It's the same comparisons.
	Wait, I thought you were single.
	Oh, so you are dating multiple men.
	That would be, yeah, that would be too much.
	No, you are dating.
	I'm not selling a friend experience, but I compared it to Twitch already.
	Wait, but you said your companionship, romantic companionship.
	No, like, I am companionship to my subs.
	Romantically?
	No.
	So what they're not romantically interested in you?
	Well, they're romantically interested.
	They are.
	But you're not in them.
	Well, I'm not dating any of them.
	What is that?
	But then how is it?
	But it's not actual companionship.
	Like you can't have romantic companionship.
	It doesn't have to be romantic to be companionship.
	But my question I'm posing to you now is: do you think all you're good for is companionship?
	Because that's all that you've said in terms of quality that you bring to society.
	Do you actually?
	No, I'm not coming for you.
	No, no, I'm not coming for you.
	What's one positive thing?
	No, no, no.
	But I don't think you sell yourself short when you do OnlyFans.
	I mean, okay, so before I did this, I was in tech.
	So what did that do for society?
	That was more than what you're doing now.
	I've sold it.
	We could definitely have a debate.
	Should if a woman's going to school, should they become like a mainstream media journalist or an OnlyFans creator, which is worse.
	But I don't know.
	I just think you're basically profiting off of the lowest common denominator, which is your body and the fact that you have boobs and a vagina that everyone on this platform has.
	Barely?
	Did you say barely?
	Yeah.
	Okay, because I just think it's sort of like there's guys.
	Grace Warroom donated $100.
	We have to have Green Forest.
	Let's do it.
	Yo, Grace, very much appreciate your TTS.
	Appreciate it.
	Let me try to shift things here a little bit.
	Wait, Naomi, you said you were involved in tech sales.
	In your notes, you said you were the ex-director of Sales Op.
	And then you also said you were an ex-D1 cheerleader.
	University of Arizona?
	Yep.
	Or ASU?
	No.
	Not ASU?
	Okay.
	Were you a flyer?
	Yeah, we were all flyers.
	You?
	How tall are you?
	5'6.
	A little tall to be a flyer, no offense.
	How do I even know what that is?
	Okay.
	Can you show us all?
	Let's lighten things up a little bit.
	Naomi, why don't you show us a cheer?
	A cheer?
	A cheer.
	You got it for it?
	You got it?
	James Palmer donated $100.
	Brian, please give Goopstarv access to the soundboard in your absence.
	Much love in the UK.
	Yo, James Palmer, really appreciate it.
	Thank you.
	Appreciate it.
	Thank you for the support from across the pond.
	A little cheer?
	Let's see a little cheer.
	For real, for real?
	For real, please.
	I had to show off the abs.
	Wait, what?
	No, I was not asking for that, but.
	Oh, what were you asking for?
	Well, you were the one who said, I got to show off the ass.
	Well, abs.
	Oh, I thought you said ass.
	I was like.
	All right.
	Family show here.
	Not really.
	It's not a family show.
	It's not a family show.
	Okay.
	I was going to.
	Go ahead.
	Do what you got to do.
	I feel like you're actually being serious.
	Yeah, do it a little cheer.
	Oh, okay.
	Let's see it.
	All right, there it is.
	Back up with the Amazon.
	That's the bang and body they were talking about.
	I'm working out.
	Calm down.
	Okay.
	She's bad.
	She's bad.
	What should we do?
	Oh, no, you're the cheerleader.
	De-Roy.
	I haven't cheered in a lot of years.
	YMCA.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Hey.
	Hey, Arizona.
	Echo.
	Where is my name?
	Sorry.
	Brian.
	Sorry.
	Brian, you loved it.
	Brian's just naturally a hater.
	He was born a hater.
	The most of us.
	Born away.
	That's cool.
	Yeah.
	Major hater.
	Okay.
	Let me get a couple of the chats caught up here.
	We have Canada first.
	Canada won SDC.
	Donated $100 Canadian dollars.
	Brian, I love you, but save chat the torture of listening to these idiots.
	Please boot them all off the panel.
	No, come be not.
	You got to be nice.
	We're not going to boot all of them off the panel, but it's still early on in the day.
	It would be like no debate, though, if we weren't on and you weren't on.
	It would be like, oh, yeah, I agree to everything.
	It wouldn't be fun.
	I don't think anybody here is upset by any of the disagreement that's gone on so far.
	Oh, sorry.
	Okay, I don't know if.
	Thank you, Grace.
	Didn't mean to re-trigger that.
	We have Natalia here.
	It might take a moment to trigger.
	Okay, hold on.
	While we're doing that, guys, go to twitch.tv/slash whatever.
	Drop us a follow and a prime sub if you have one.
	Twitch.tv/slash whatever.
	Drop us a follow and a prime sub if you have one.
	Also, if you guys are watching over on Twitch, is the streaming quality okay?
	Our last stream, we got reports.
	It was terrible.
	I very much apologize for that.
	Yo, love off.
	Thank you for the follow.
	Knight, thank you for the follow.
	John, thank you for the follow.
	Appreciate it.
	Natalia, donate.
	Natalie, you talk negative about OF girls that you have a plethora of cleavage and short skirts for those on your IG, net positive for society.
	I stand by everything I have on social media.
	Wait, what did that just say?
	Repeat that.
	It was on the screen and I just read it.
	It's fine.
	I don't think it's like modest.
	I'm hired to be considered.
	Not that I have to defend myself.
	I stand by everything I've posted.
	But I think there is something sort of interesting in that.
	I don't think there's anything wrong with women like dressing to look nice, right?
	Dressing to attract, like when you go out, right?
	You're not going to go out and like a burqa, like, right?
	And, but I think that where it sort of starts to get that slippery slope and where I think femininity does sort of start to get a little, I think, just diluted.
	And I think it can start to look, get trashy, conflated, is the OnlyFans, the porn culture, the just excessive kind of commodification of women's bodies.
	I think that's where it starts to get a little interesting and where you change culture.
	And also, too, it goes back to my main point with you guys.
	All you do, and I don't mean this disparagingly, but like all you do is post pictures of yourselves naked on the internet.
	If I'm going to post a picture, like, yeah, I can't help I have boobs, but I also graduated from one of the top universities in this country.
	I'm sanctioned by the Chinese Communist Party because of my investigative reporting.
	I'm signed by Congress.
	I know.
	How did you get sanctioned?
	A lot of my work had to do with how they were infiltrating this country.
	Is this like a by proxy thing?
	Are they going to come after me now?
	No, Well, you don't ever let me talk about China on here, so you're good.
	I wonder what dating in China's like.
	But like, would you date a member of the CCP?
	Would you date a member of the CCP?
	Not all OnlyFans.
	What are the pros and cons of it?
	That's what I'm money to know.
	It would be the only pro cons.
	Does she have a large?
	Never mind.
	Not all OnlyFans girls are naked.
	Okay, but that's like a pretty bikini.
	I do want to move things up.
	So, wait, I have a question, though, really quick.
	So, why are you lingered too long?
	I have no bikini pictures that meet.
	Have you ever taken bikini pictures for yourself?
	I have never taken bikini pictures.
	You will never be able to find them, but have you ever taken them for yourself?
	I mean, I've been in bikinis and group photos, but I've never taken like provocative.
	You never just felt hot and you just like wanted to take a picture of yourself?
	I just find validation more than the physical stuff.
	I would rather I feel very validated and successful after I finish hosting an episode of War Room.
	Like, that is a much better, more meaningful form of validation than being like, oh, I have boobs.
	So, does like every other woman.
	Okay.
	Yep.
	It was a valid question.
	Crickets.
	I just wonder, like, in your own time, that you don't post.
	In my own time, if you ever start feeling yourself, you know?
	And that's okay.
	Cafe.
	Is that a catch-up?
	I don't think so.
	I didn't think about it at all.
	I was just curious.
	I just don't.
	Because I know you don't post it.
	And that's it.
	I do fine, but I was just curious.
	Do you keep it personal?
	No, I don't.
	I don't.
	My camera roll is not just a bunch of like weird provocations on myself.
	You want to be weird, though?
	Or like, would you.
	I don't know.
	Actually, never mind.
	I don't know how to word that.
	I just, for me, again, maybe you guys are more into it and comfortable with like sexuality and comfortable family.
	So I was never like.
	For me, like intellectualism, that kind of stuff was like hard work, work at like, I mean, that to me is that they're not intellectual.
	Not history, but intellectuals.
	Well, no offense, but their answers to the World War I and World War II question would be a lot of fun.
	But there's a lot of shares.
	I already said I was a scientist.
	That's just history.
	There's a lot of other topics that somebody can be intellectual.
	I mean, I brought up Zion because I kind of debunked everything.
	I had no idea.
	Guys, one person's care bear donated 100%.
	Posting kicks on the internet is not that difficult.
	I have had more hard work this last week in the Army than an OF model has.
	Stop trying to make it seem like S work is real work.
	I didn't say that they necessarily weren't intellectual.
	What I was saying is I prefer to derive my validation from intellectual pursuits as opposed to, I'm sure if I started in OnlyFans, anyone could do an internet connection.
	But for me, that's just not where I get a lot of validation from.
	But my pushback is you don't know what they do in their life.
	I'm saying they're not intellectual.
	They could read for a living, they could do any number of people.
	I mean, I do see living videos.
	I think just your only devil's advocate.
	So, Natalie, in response to that, is your position their occupational endeavor is not an intellectual one.
	Is that your position?
	Is that what you're saying?
	I think that's pretty obvious, yeah.
	I was posting pictures of your boobs and vagina intellectual.
	Well, that's in response to what you were asking, correct?
	That's not intellectual.
	I think that's the criticism that she's making.
	In the same way that somebody who.
	And I would go a step further.
	You know, I always go back to this, but I think it's also very anti-intellectual that you're helping to, frankly, destroy this country by ruining nuclear families.
	Candid guy donated one year that you're not a man.
	Would you pull a member of the CCP into a romantic relationship for purposes of investigative reporting to break her story for the war room?
	You know, it's actually funny.
	I, okay, I won't fully nerd out, but when I was in college, I went to a school where there were a lot of foreign students there, and there's this thing called the Chinese Students and Scholars Association, which is basically like their foreign spy network that they have on college campuses.
	And I would have random Chinese students who were like born in mainland China reach out to me all the time trying to like hang out.
	And I'm sure you could say, oh, they just want to be friends.
	But as someone who has studied their patterns of influence operations, it was not that.
	So I've had some interesting stuff.
	I've had stalkers.
	I've had the whole gamut.
	So no.
	Blank addiction has plenty of scientific support.
	Adams, Carnes, authors, 1999, hypersexual disorder and DSM, same addictive power as cocaine.
	There you go, science major.
	Okay, I'll look into that.
	Look into it.
	Did you the last time I dated?
	It wasn't recognized by the DSM.
	Anything can be addicted.
	We're switching gears here.
	We're going to switch gears.
	Every time we're going to switch gears to that, when it comes to brainstorming.
	Here, we're going back to the cool story, bro.
	You're single.
	There's no one in my picture.
	You said you've been single for three years now.
	Yeah.
	You've not dated any guys in three years?
	I've dabbled.
	You've dabbled.
	Have you had hookups?
	Yeah.
	Are you currently...
	They weren't successful.
	Is there nobody?
	No.
	That wasn't successful.
	Oh, that wasn't.
	Okay.
	I just, you said the hookups weren't successful.
	So I've seen that.
	I just mean they didn't turn into like a real relationship.
	Because you didn't want it.
	They didn't want it.
	Both.
	Sometimes me, sometimes them.
	Okay.
	We're talking three years.
	It's been a lot of different situations.
	So for the three years you've been single, like what's the longest period of time that you've dated a guy?
	A month, two months, three months?
	Like eight months.
	But that was never a boyfriend?
	Not technically, no.
	What was that?
	It was just like.
	I guess it was a situationship.
	Situationship.
	Like it's pretty much everything that would be in a relationship without the title.
	Okay.
	All right.
	What about you?
	What was the question?
	So you've been single for one year.
	There's no guys in the picture right now.
	Nothing, no prospects.
	Zilch, nothing.
	I mean, I've definitely gone on dates and stuff, but none of them have really been successful.
	Plus, I don't think I'm looking to be in a relationship at the moment because I am moving.
	So, and I've done long distance and I am not interested in doing it right now.
	I think I could do it later.
	But yeah.
	I mean, we talked a little bit about your situation.
	You're in a Friends with Benefits for one month.
	You were married for 18 years, but your husband had a romantic interest in men.
	So that ended.
	Good times.
	We already talked about that though.
	But just recapping there, what about you?
	You are single for nine months.
	No, no hunks in the picture.
	No, I kind of said a little earlier, I so I'm not a single mom, I co-parent.
	And I, as a single parent, it's hard to juggle having a child, working full-time, and then finding time to date.
	And my priority, especially since my daughter is young, has been her and just making sure she, you know, has both feet on the ground.
	And so my last actual really long-term relationship was before she was born.
	And then I had, I was seeing somebody for maybe a month last summer.
	And that's been it.
	You said in your pre-show notes here that you single and you haven't been in a serious relationship for seven years.
	It's six.
	Or me, yeah, it's before my daughter was born, so about seven.
	Yeah.
	But you did have something nine months ago.
	Yeah, just very brief.
	You said you've dated a bit and you had a few flings during this time, the seven years, six years?
	Like, I've gone on a few dates, three or four.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	And we have some other notes from you, but we'll get into that a little bit later on.
	What about you?
	Any tings in the anything?
	No, I'm not looking to date right now.
	I'm actually really happy and really enjoying my singleness.
	I used to be the girl that went from relationship to relationship to even if I wasn't even in a committed relationship, there would always be someone, you know, next.
	And I didn't realize how damaging that was until my frontal lobe developed.
	And I actually feel and get to experience as an adult the impacts of my decade of mistakes.
	All right.
	Natalie, what about you?
	Why am I single?
	Oh, well, no, you actually, you said that there's a single one of them.
	Well, you said there was a guy on a Sunday show would have been a different answer.
	Oh, this is okay.
	This is new.
	All right.
	Well, you said there's a guy who's currently in the picture a little bit.
	So, okay.
	Who here has ever had a roster where you've dated multiple people at the same time?
	Anybody?
	Well, isn't that what dating is, though?
	Like, you go out on dates with multiple people?
	Or do you mean like sleeping with multiple people?
	Yeah, it depends on how you define it.
	But has anybody here ever been sleeping with more than one person at the same time?
	I have, yeah.
	You have?
	Yeah.
	What's the most?
	It was just two.
	And it was after I found out that my five-year was cheating on me because I still lived in the house.
	The feeder guy?
	Yeah.
	The guy who was trying to get you fat and who likes obese women?
	Yeah.
	That guy?
	Yeah, it was definitely like revenge, sex, and then sex.
	Okay.
	Anybody else?
	Two guys sleeping with two guys at the same time?
	Come on.
	I know some of you have.
	Not two guys.
	Is it you?
	I have.
	I'll say I have for sure.
	More than two, three, four.
	Yeah, like three people.
	I wouldn't say it's like all like directly at the same exact time.
	Just kind of like, I don't know.
	Well, no, maybe there's a date.
	I've gone on like dates with people and then, yeah, we've had intercourse.
	Had carnal knowledge.
	Okay.
	All right.
	What about, what about you?
	Multiple guys at the same time, ever?
	Back in the, you know, when you were 18, 19, 20, 21?
	No.
	Not really.
	No?
	Okay.
	What about any rosters?
	You had a roster?
	No?
	Come on.
	I think she's.
	I think.
	No, I think, you know, I think you got Riz.
	I think you got game.
	So I feel like you got tons of bitches.
	You got a lot of bitches, right?
	I think I've had options.
	I think we've all had options.
	And there's.
	Disgruntled care bear donated $100.
	Dating is meant to get to know the person one at a time.
	Concurrently.
	If you have to have a roster when you date, you are only looking to siphon resources from men who are sleeping around and were never really into it.
	I agree.
	Based?
	Based.
	So only one guy at a time, ever?
	I guess.
	I mean.
	No roster.
	I've dabbled.
	A roster?
	I've dabbled.
	I've never had a roster.
	Five guys?
	Could restaurant change?
	Their prices have just gone ridiculous.
	The price is at five guys.
	Absurd.
	Sorry, I've got really care about it.
	I like the Cajun price, yes.
	Naomi, which is what backwards?
	Immon.
	Good job.
	You ever had.
	I'm a relationship, girly.
	I told you this last time.
	I am.
	But no, I don't like.
	I think naturally, I know you can say I'm lying all you want, but like naturally when a girl does like a guy, she'll just like want to spend time with that one guy.
	But if you're just like casually hooking up with people, like that's different.
	I mean, I don't really do that anyways.
	I know people don't believe me, but like, whatever.
	If you don't believe me, you don't believe me.
	Roster though.
	But do I like have a roster?
	Have you ever had a roster?
	Not of people I was having sex with, but people that I was having dating multiple guys.
	No, that's a lot of energy and effort.
	What about you?
	Um, I agreed with what she was saying.
	I mean, there's times when you're not looking for a relationship and you're casually hooking up with multiple people at the same time.
	Okay.
	So, you what are we talking here?
	Two, four.
	I don't have a roster, but there's been times currently like in the past.
	Yeah, two.
	Like, you'd be dating more.
	I'm curious about, or I'll have you answer, then I have a follow-up question.
	Go ahead.
	Oh, no.
	Never at the same time.
	No crossover.
	No.
	Okay.
	For those of you, have you ever?
	Because I know sometimes there's this period, obviously, and this is sort of somewhat segues into what we've discussed previously on the show about people not being properly single when they're meeting somebody new.
	Have you ever been like hooking up with a guy but dating other like you'll go on, you'll be hooking up with a guy.
	Maybe he's not your boyfriend, right?
	Obviously, but you know, it's maybe once a week, whatever, casual.
	But you're seeing, you'll see other guys.
	You'll go on dates with other men.
	Have you ever had that?
	And do you make those guys wait for sex, starting with you?
	No.
	Okay.
	How many questions?
	Yeah, I mean, there's been times I've been going on dates with people, but also casually seeing other people.
	Okay.
	I don't really go on dates with people in general, and I don't like hooking up with a lot of people, so that's a no.
	It's not that.
	No.
	I agree with what Emma said.
	Your eyes just naturally squint.
	Yeah.
	Because she's blind.
	Oh, is that dry?
	You've been like death staring me the entire show.
	I wasn't sure if she personally pissed you off or something.
	I just can't see.
	I was like, god damn, she's giving me the stink eye or something.
	Okay.
	I agree with Emmy.
	I've like, I've definitely been hooking up with people and then like also going on like dates with other people.
	Okay.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	No, just one person at a time.
	No.
	Yeah, I don't believe in hookup culture.
	Oh, okay.
	All right.
	We got some chats here.
	We got to get caught up on.
	We have Kill of Cereal.
	Natalie, can I have you read this?
	Sure.
	Pick 6'1 tall, 180k a year, 10-inch peen with a negative world outlook and sour attitude in general, or 5'2 tall, 30k a year, 4-inch peen with a positive world outlook and oozes confidence and swagger.
	Last one.
	The second one.
	Second one, I like average dick.
	Okay.
	The first one.
	Also, I'm gonna say the second one.
	I said the wrong answer.
	It's okay.
	I know.
	I was gonna say, take it back the first.
	Second one.
	Second.
	Second.
	First.
	Why did you just, out of all that, you whoa?
	She just submitted she likes 10-inch penis.
	It was.
	I'm not gonna date someone who I make more money than.
	There you go.
	Gustavo, what about you?
	Which of the two men do you pick?
	Oh, sorry.
	That's what she says.
	Sorry.
	Okay.
	All right.
	What's the I'm always curious, Kill of Cereal?
	Can you submit the reverse?
	What would the question be that you ask men?
	Like, compare this woman and this woman, which do you pick?
	If somebody else wants to run in on that one.
	Okay, we have Bri, kick first girl from the pug, pick up your clearly.
	LFG isn't working for you by her own admission, low level, no buffs, debuffs, can't heal, no DPS.
	She's just learning.
	She's also a clicker.
	Like, you know how you can keybind shit, but she also is like, she like clicks on abilities and shit.
	Been AFK a few times, first hour.
	Yeah, true.
	Like no back.
	Yeah, she also backpedals.
	You know, it is what it is.
	It's like, yeah.
	It's like pretty shitty internet connection, you know, but it's like dial-up speeds, but, you know.
	You know, like, listen, we're like the guild.
	We're trying our best.
	Like, we're going to make an exception.
	But, like, yeah, we might loot Banner, you know?
	So.
	Sorry, it's like World of Warcraft thing.
	Don't worry about it, guys.
	Natalie, can you read this one?
	A hedge fund manager.
	I'm curious about the income level you desire for a traditional husband like myself to prompt you to leave your job.
	How many kids do you want?
	Are you keen on being a stay-at-home mom or pursuing a different career post-college?
	How many kids do you want?
	Wait, you deserve paternity.
	I mean, there's a lot of questions there.
	We typically only do like one, maybe two questions max per super chat journey life.
	So, Journey, if you can maybe, do you want to send like a $2, $5 one and clarify if you want which of these questions you want to ask?
	Otherwise, I'm just going to say, do you want, I'm just going to ask the last one.
	Do you want to be a stay-at-home mom or do you want to pursue a career or a mix of both, starting with you?
	A career.
	Career?
	Career.
	I think I'd be too bored being a stay-at-home mom.
	I think I'd be bored.
	Okay.
	You guys, do you want kids though?
	Yeah.
	I'm not sure.
	You're not set?
	Okay.
	I want kids.
	I want to be a stay-at-home mom for the first few years and then I want to work on my own stuff, like my own company.
	Okay.
	Like a mix of both.
	I do want kids.
	Okay.
	Mix of both, but also career.
	Okay.
	I would also say a mix of both, but I don't know if I want kids yet.
	I've had a mix of both.
	Okay.
	I have one kid and I don't want anymore.
	I sorry, what was the second question?
	Be a stay-at-home home mom.
	Oh, well, I was a stay-at-home mom for a few years, and I prefer to work.
	I like to make my own money.
	But I think the answer to the other question, like 75, maybe for the man.
	You don't want kids anymore?
	No, I just want one and done.
	Have you gotten your tube stat or whatever?
	I have an IUD.
	IUD?
	Okay.
	What about you?
	I like to be a stay-at-home mom and have all the babies and make all the sourdough bread and have all the dinners cooked for my husband.
	I want to be a traditional Christian wife, and I think that's very awful.
	That's a W.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Honestly, that's a good lifestyle.
	And that's not for everyone.
	No, yeah, exactly.
	I still want to have like a career and skills and an education, but.
	Why are you laughing?
	Just.
	You're a character.
	That's all.
	You're a character.
	It's a compliment, I think.
	Okay, good.
	Definitely stay-at-home, but I would continue with my show and media career, but it's not really that time-consuming.
	Okay.
	Jerk, he says, ask all of them.
	Okay, well, so I asked one.
	We'll do.
	Okay, how about desired income of your future long-term life partner?
	And then we'll also do how many kids do you want?
	And that should.
	Okay, I want three kids for the income.
	Is it bad that I'm going to say I don't care about the income?
	For the guy?
	Yeah.
	Like zero.
	Like, I don't care.
	You don't care at all?
	No.
	But isn't there a certain economic reality?
	I do have.
	No, I do have standards.
	I do have.
	Okay, you're right.
	I do have standards for the man because I have dealt with a lot of bums in my life that I was literally like dealing with a man child for three years.
	Have you ever supported a guy financially?
	No, yeah, for three years.
	And I was.
	So you do care about the money then?
	Huh?
	You do care about the guy's income then.
	So sometimes.
	Now I'm starting to realize that there's value in that.
	Like men have to bring value too because I was putting way too much value into men.
	But no, I realized this.
	I realized this like two years or a year and a half ago.
	Well, after the three-year relationship, or I don't know.
	But anyways, for the income.
	Yeah.
	Bare minimum income.
	Fucking like 50K.
	50K?
	Okay, so for you, your life partner, obviously income fluctuates throughout time.
	So it's a bit, well, what age.
	Let's just say when you're, I don't know.
	Whatever.
	However, you want to take the desired income for a partner, how many kids do you want?
	I mean, I don't know how many children I have.
	You're not sure on kids, right?
	Yeah.
	What about income?
	Because you want to really focus on your career.
	Are you going to get your master's or PhD?
	I'm not sure yet.
	I'm just going to get your bachelor's.
	Yeah.
	I mean, I may want to do more school.
	I'm not sure yet.
	You're getting your bachelor's in sociology, correct?
	Yeah.
	What do you want to do with that?
	Maybe go into social work.
	I'm also interested in marketing.
	I'm in the AMA club at UCSP.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	So do you have a sense of how much you'd want your partner to make?
	There's not necessarily a level, just as long as we're financially stable.
	That's all I care about.
	Okay.
	I would say that kind of going off of that, so like I want three to five kids.
	So whatever is reasonable for the lifestyle that we decide we want to live.
	Because yeah, a lot of people say, okay, OnlyFans, like you make a lot of money and you have whatever.
	But I also know what it's like to live a more chill lifestyle.
	And I did that as a kid.
	So I don't know.
	Just kind of want to be comfortable with the family that I decide to have, number of kids, and then where I want to live and the life that I want to live.
	I'm listening.
	Does that make sense?
	That makes kind of rude.
	What was that?
	You weren't listening.
	I was listening.
	I was listening.
	I was just.
	Were you?
	Okay.
	I heard.
	Is that fair?
	It depends on the kind of, you know, three to five kids.
	I think that makes a big difference of how many kids you want to have because, like, three kids at 50K, I mean, that's going to be hard.
	That's going to be hard.
	That's hard for like one person to take care of yourself.
	True.
	So I'm just being realistic, right?
	Because what you can get in, for example, a house in California versus a house in South Dakota, right?
	It's going to be a completely different lifestyle.
	It's a completely different lifestyle.
	Are you mocking me or do you agree?
	No, I'm agreeing with you.
	Okay.
	Totally different.
	Like, for real.
	You can get like a mansion with your partner what you decide on what type of lifestyle you're going to be.
	It's crazy out here.
	These housing prices.
	What?
	I'm agreeing with you.
	Sorry, the caffeine's kicking in.
	What about you?
	I don't like caffeine.
	I don't think I have like a certain number.
	I would like it to be more than me.
	I'm not totally sure what I want to pursue, but I think a lot of things I would wouldn't be something I could support my family on my own.
	Okay.
	And I don't want like two kids.
	Two kids?
	What about you?
	I think if I were to have kids, it'd be two max for sure.
	Two max?
	Okay.
	Income-wise, I don't know.
	Whatever supports like two kids, obviously I want to be like stable.
	I don't want to have to worry about money.
	But I would say like if I was with like a blue-collar man, that'd be fine.
	Is a blue-collar man more likely to lean in a certain political orientation?
	Yeah.
	So I feel like, yeah.
	Okay, anyways, that's a different question.
	What about you?
	How many kids do you want and bare minimum income for a partner?
	So I have two kids and I just wanted two kids as far as minimum income, enough for them to live comfortably on their own.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	One and done.
	Done.
	She's done.
	Done.
	No more than that.
	I would say benchmark at least 75 or 80.
	Okay, all right.
	I want two kids, but the third can be an accident.
	Because if you say you want three, you're going to get four.
	And I know that.
	No, my original was two, but I feel that.
	Yeah, so the third can happen by accident, but I definitely want to have people and help people, not only my family, but people that are in need and just selflessly.
	And I want to be able to tie it to the church and just help others that need it.
	Natalie, what about you?
	Probably at least two.
	Probably at least three, actually.
	You got to go above replacement rate.
	That would be off-brand if I didn't do that.
	I don't know, like more than my dad.
	Okay.
	How much does your dad make?
	I'm not going to say that.
	But he's got to make more than your dad.
	Well, what's your dad?
	What's your dad do for work?
	My dad's a doctor and other things.
	What kind of doctor?
	Infectious disease.
	So a lot.
	Okay.
	I just, I think when you're used to a certain type of lifestyle, and I don't even mean that at a financial level, like, you're not going to realistically be happy if you are living well below it.
	Just, I'll answer somewhat really quick.
	I'll get married if she's rich.
	She's married for money.
	And 5'11?
	I'll get married.
	What's that?
	And 5'11 or 4'11?
	Oh, like in terms of what I want, like my time.
	More about labia size or well?
	It's a crazy topic.
	That's crazy.
	That's crazy, Natalie.
	I didn't expect that from you, Natalie.
	Exactly.
	That's how I'm confused.
	Yeah, ladia.
	Labia sizes.
	He said labyrinth.
	I only actually date a girl with an any, but I do prefer Audis.
	Like the bigger, the better.
	I want some Guinness World Record book shit.
	I want that Arby's meeting.
	That's what's up.
	Anxiety.
	Minimum net worth.
	Oh, minimum net worth.
	What do you mean?
	For labia.
	Oh, it can be zero.
	It's still good.
	If the labia is big.
	I mean, I don't really care, you know?
	But she can have no income, but if she's got like a bad Guinness World Record labia, sign me up.
	Look, what?
	You guys are all a little, but you guys have penis size preferences.
	No.
	Y'all have preferences when it comes to penises.
	I'm flipping it around, huh?
	You ain't ever heard this before.
	I have a labia preference.
	You haven't heard it?
	I was being sarcastic.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	I have a labia preference.
	Sue me.
	What's up?
	I have a question.
	What's up?
	What you got?
	About the labia question.
	What's your question?
	Okay.
	Go ahead.
	So let's think about your childhood.
	What the fuck?
	Yeah.
	Bro, you goofy right now.
	What the fuck?
	No, because childhood.
	There's a reason why you have a labia obsession.
	Bro, you about to say something.
	She has an obsession with women just being a little bit of a damned person.
	Can I continue?
	Can I continue?
	I feel like you're about to say some shit.
	You're going to say some shit that's going to make me want to kick you the fuck off the show, probably.
	Oh, okay.
	I think you can.
	So do you not want me to say that?
	Why Coyote 50 donated $100 for panel?
	You've been recently sanctioned by the CCP because of your reporting.
	You're flying in China to Hong Kong.
	A CCP pilot hits the ejecto seater cuss in attempt to unalive you.
	Can you land the plane?
	Can we give this to her?
	Uh-huh.
	I think that was a good idea.
	So we're in four panels on the side.
	Can any of you land a plan, yes or no?
	Nope.
	I know somebody that can, but okay.
	All right.
	So what were you.
	What are you trying to go at?
	Well, I want.
	I will.
	I'm.
	Because I don't really know a lot about you.
	Just because you have a lot of childhood trauma doesn't other people.
	I know, I just want to pick your brain.
	Let me pick your brain.
	Yeah, but I feel like you're going to say something.
	Okay, no, but I'm confused.
	I'm confused.
	Okay, so with the OnlyFans thing, too, just to go back to that, like, and the labia labia, whatever the fuck, type beat.
	How does having a genitalia?
	How does having a genitalia preference have anything to do with something in your childhood?
	Okay, so that's so weird.
	Can we think about childhood really quick?
	You look at things through such a warped and twisted frame of mind.
	But go ahead, I'll entertain it.
	No, no, okay, yeah.
	You'll probably end up annoying me.
	So let's pretend you're a child and you find OnlyFans for the first time.
	Bro, I don't, this is a gross conversation.
	What's your reaction to that?
	How explain the logic of your question to me.
	I'm confused.
	Like, what's your answer?
	What?
	You're a child.
	You want me to hypothetically put myself as what?
	A four-year-old?
	Bro, you got a sick and fucking twisted mind that you want to have a hypothetical question about a child watching adult content.
	Now you're twisting it kind of.
	I'm not twisting it.
	You're being the fucking weirdo with this question.
	Can you answer?
	I don't even want to like disgruntled care bear to know.
	Chat, what do you think about that?
	That's weird.
	You can't answer the question.
	Why isn't whenever you hear something?
	I don't understand the question.
	You must always assume something is wrong with the man's childhood.
	You must always assume something is wrong.
	Yeah, that's a good question.
	Disgruntled care bear.
	I mean, I'm pulling up the YouTube chat.
	This is such a weird line of questioning.
	It's like, does anybody else concur that it's really peculiar?
	Yeah, yes.
	Yeah.
	I just don't know where you're going with the question.
	I want him to answer the question.
	You may well want me to do a great many things, but I'm inclined to not engage in.
	I just don't see the purpose of your strange fucking question.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	I just wanted to see your answer, that's why.
	But since you didn't give me an answer, I can't give you why I asked.
	To counter that, do you have like a dick-size preference or like anything like that at all?
	No?
	No.
	Is there a particular girth of like labia size that you prefer?
	Girth.
	I mean, yeah.
	I don't know.
	Like, I don't know how you measure labia.
	I mean, just length or girth?
	The curtain drop.
	That's fair.
	That's two different things.
	That's fair.
	There's different, yeah, I mean, there's different factors to it.
	Typically, I don't articulate it to this extent, but so the question is: the gir girth?
	Girth or how do you measure labia?
	I mean, like, what do you what?
	What?
	Yeah, I'm confused.
	I mean, there's the, I mean, are we really going here?
	Do you have a whole Instagram design?
	We talk about pens all the time, so you can go there for it.
	I mean, I don't even know how to like precisely describe it.
	It's difficult.
	Well, you did say any and Audi, so we can start there.
	Well, yeah, there's large, large labia.
	The lips, the lips are long, big.
	Yeah.
	We love all vaginas.
	Are you saying you have an Audi?
	Is that what you're saying?
	No.
	Oh, okay.
	Okay.
	I don't know.
	That's awkward now.
	Brian, have you met Cricket such a woman yet?
	I've met women with large labia, yeah?
	I've what happened to them.
	Oh, bro, what the fuck?
	Yeah, he got swallowed.
	Bro, went in a tunnel.
	Why did you let them go then?
	The abyss.
	I don't know.
	Have you ever fucked a guy with a big dick and you let him go?
	I mean, shit, you know, there's other factors.
	It's not like I'm just she's got a big labia.
	I'm set for life.
	I'll stay with her forever.
	No, you know, she's got to have more.
	She's got to have more.
	Now, the biggest tragedy is like a girl with like a giant labia, but she's a terrible person.
	I'm so conflicted.
	I was going to say labioplasties.
	Oh, that's a that's very sad, too.
	We talked about that last year.
	When they get labia plasties, 10,000 a year in the United States, I'm against plastic.
	I'm against labioplasties, but let me double down.
	I'm against plastic surgery.
	That's where it stems from.
	That's what I was kind of getting at.
	I'm against he just doesn't like plastic surgery in general.
	I don't like it.
	I didn't know that.
	That's okay.
	What do you mean?
	It's okay.
	It's actually dope.
	As a girl, you should be co-signing my position on the platform.
	Well, I got a labioplasty.
	We talked about this last time.
	So, like, I don't agree with you.
	Yeah.
	Respectfully, I don't agree with him either.
	But I didn't get plastic surgery for a man.
	I was celibate, like I mentioned, during 2022, and I got a labioplasty during my celibacy.
	My whole year of celibacy.
	It's a sad day for celibacy.
	Can you, what it, what is what exactly did you have done?
	If you don't mind me asking, I'm just curious.
	Got it nice and tight.
	Sad.
	Yeah, like my plastic surgeon.
	We had like a whole PowerPoint and we like went through the shot.
	Disappointing.
	Can I catch you?
	Asteroid scent.
	Damn it.
	Anyways, y'all know where to go if you want to.
	No, I'm good.
	Wait, oh, but no, plastic surgery, I'm against it.
	I know.
	Why?
	And I respect that for you.
	I do too, I guess.
	We're a panel of different Brian likes natural.
	It's fake.
	I think it looks kind of trans.
	Wait, Brian.
	Did she just say it looks kind of trans?
	Yeah.
	What's your question?
	My question for you is: you like natural women, but if I look on your Instagram, who are you following?
	No one.
	Are you following any girls that maybe have plastic surgery?
	What did I miss?
	Can we circle back to the transformer?
	Wait, no, let me answer her question.
	I'm not following anybody on Instagram.
	On your personal Instagram?
	On my personal Instagram.
	I'm not following anybody.
	Okay, that's valid.
	I follow the whatever Instagram, and then on the whatever Instagram, I follow me, and that's it.
	I'm not these guys who like follow IG models or chicks and like look at like their photos.
	That's weird.
	I have a question.
	That's goofy.
	So even on like, wait, so your personal Instagram follow anybody.
	Not even your friends.
	No.
	Why?
	I don't give a fuck about the food, your bullshit food posts.
	I don't care.
	I'm focused.
	I have a mission in life.
	And I'm too busy to be concerned with the bullshit posts that you do to try to paint your life like in some very, you know, oh, you were on vacation.
	Oh, you had, you had, you had like a little cob salad at that restaurant.
	Don't care.
	Ceremony.
	That's fair, I guess.
	No, I just don't, I don't know.
	Maybe it's because I'm older, but I've never been.
	Honestly, if I didn't do the YouTube thing, I wouldn't have Twitter.
	I wouldn't have Instagram.
	I wouldn't give a fuck about any of that.
	Yeah.
	If I'm maybe I have like a private Instagram and for like I follow my family or something.
	But no, I don't follow anybody.
	Cool.
	Yeah.
	That's what's up.
	Okay.
	Where were we?
	We were talking.
	Yeah, so no, but I don't follow anybody.
	I had a question about the transgression.
	Wait, no, we were talking about plastic surgery.
	Hold on, let me.
	Disgruntled care bear donated $100.
	Whoever he follows on Instagram doesn't reflect his morals.
	Because he liked looking at nice cars doesn't mean he would want to own one in the end.
	Oh, but I don't here's the thing: I don't follow girls on Instagram.
	I don't like their posts.
	I don't care.
	That's you.
	I think in general, you make a very good point because a lot of guys that comment negative stuff on my posts or like girls' posts in general.
	It's like you go to their profile and they're following you, and you look at their following, it's all Instagram models, and you're like, I mean, I appreciate the comment because it just boosts me in the algorithm more.
	What's that talking about?
	I'll understand.
	Okay.
	What were you saying?
	Right.
	What I was saying was: in most scenarios, when a guy comments negative things on any girls, like bikini pictures or anything like that, you go to their profile, they're following you.
	Is that what guys do?
	They're just like commenting negative photos.
	Yeah, and then you go to their following, it's all Instagram models.
	That's weird.
	Yeah.
	That's weird.
	It's like a revenge type thing.
	They know.
	I mean, my advice to men is don't follow girls on Instagram.
	Don't look at it, don't be like almost in this pornographic days of like looking at their bikini photos or whatever.
	Don't like their photos.
	I don't know.
	And I think as women, you're totally justifiable.
	If your boyfriend is like obsessed with other chicks on Instagram, I think that that's not, that's not a good, that's a suboptimal dating choice for you to date a guy who's like thirsting over other chicks.
	So you got to have discipline.
	Got to have discipline.
	I'm just saying that was a good point.
	On the makeup thing, I want to talk about makeup here a little bit.
	Are we going to just glaze over the trans comic?
	Because that one, I need a family.
	We can come back there.
	Let's.
	I need an explanation.
	Wait, let me actually.
	Hold on.
	Let me read a chat here.
	Natalie, can you read this?
	Male version: 5'11, 36, 25, 36, 180k a year, D-cup with the worst snagging, controlling behavior imaginable, or 5'2, 46, 36, 46, 30k a year, B-cup with the utmost respect and gives you your freedom.
	Is that really the count?
	Okay, so this is for.
	Yeah, I would take the second one.
	I'll take the second one.
	All right, thank you, Kill of Cereal.
	Appreciate it.
	We have Ryan the Eating Warrior.
	She wants a guy that makes as much as her dad.
	Is she looking for a guy her dad's age too?
	Gotta be realistic.
	Word.
	Thank you, writing.
	She wants a guy that makes as much as her dad.
	Do you like older men?
	I've always dated older, but not my dad's age.
	I feel like you're mature.
	I feel like I could see you with another men.
	Wouldn't do well with another 20.
	Can I ask how old you are?
	I'm 23.
	Okay, 23.
	You're 23?
	23?
	Oh.
	Oh, that kind of seemed a little.
	No, she carries her.
	She looks older.
	You just carry yourself in her.
	That's true.
	Yeah, I'm not trying to shit on you.
	I'm just saying.
	That's a W. Thank you.
	That is a W. Wait, okay.
	Oh, plastic surgery.
	I'm anti-plastic surgery.
	We know that.
	We're good on that.
	We've been over.
	Got it.
	I just meant like the trans comment.
	It looks trans.
	I just need clarification.
	Yeah, please.
	Yeah, I think with plastic surgery, which is a monolithic term in the sense that are you talking filler?
	Are you talking actual going under nice ever?
	But I think that a lot of times there's sort of a mental illness that can kind of come where you don't really see yourself in the mirror.
	Sort of like an anorexia bulimia type thing, right?
	You want more filler in your lips.
	You want more in your cheeks or whatever.
	I've never had any plastic surgery done, Frank.
	Maybe Bo talks down the road, but I'm very anti-it.
	But I think if you look at what men are doing to their faces to make themselves look more feminine when they start to transition, right?
	They're giving themselves bare lips, cheekbones, kind of more feminine features.
	And I think we are already blessed with feminine features since we're women.
	And I think you're sort of putting stuff in your face, pumping yourself up to look so fake, where it's basically the same thing that men are doing to look like women.
	And I just don't really think women need it.
	And it's this sort of like fake spin on what it means to be a woman and what it means to look like being a woman, which is just sort of looks sort of trans.
	It looks sort of alien-like to me, I think.
	And I don't know, I also think too with the filler stuff, it's really just like a marketing campaign.
	I think same with makeup, right?
	They prey on women's insecurities.
	And I don't know about you guys, but I feel like you can't even go anywhere now without hearing, like, oh, you have to start getting preventative Botox at 25.
	Like, that wasn't the refrain 10 years ago.
	But all these companies are spending a ton of money, right, to try to get people to do that.
	Because once you feel like you have to, then you start, you can't stop.
	So, I don't know.
	I just think good work looks good, but bad work.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	I see what you're saying.
	That's where I wanted the clarification because I'm like, there's definitely, I would say, a lot of people who go above and beyond and like keep going and have that addiction to it.
	But yeah, if you're going to like a good injector or a good surgeon, they're going to be like, no.
	Yeah.
	Killer of cereal donated $100.
	Cosmetic surgery and Instagram filters.
	You can stay young on Instagram, bleeding into reality with plastics.
	It doesn't keep up with the rest of your aging body looking physically ill at older ages.
	True.
	Hold on.
	We have some other chats coming in.
	I'll read this one from Disgruntled Care Bear.
	It's coming in and it's a killer of cereal.
	Appreciate it, man.
	Brian, I will push back against the Instagram.
	Why are you not holding the women who post those thirst traps on the internet in the first place?
	I think he means accountable, but want to tell men to not indulge in the free show.
	Well, I mean, I'm not really in favor of women doing it either, but on an individual level, I'm instructing you to have some degree of self-control in the same way like porn's out there.
	You can limit your porn use or entirely stop watching porn, for example.
	I mean, from a dating lens, though, I think it's suboptimal to date a woman who's posting a bunch of thirst traps.
	I have a question for you, Brian.
	Go ahead.
	Just about this whole podcast, do you think this is like your purpose in life?
	Do you think this is what you were put here in life to do?
	What's your reason for asking that question?
	Just because of the controversialness and stuff.
	I don't believe in fate.
	You don't believe in fate?
	I don't believe in fate.
	So the purpose thing is like purpose.
	Okay, gotcha, gotcha.
	Okay.
	So that's all I need to know.
	Is there more to that question, though?
	It's kind of meta.
	Okay, okay.
	So like your goals in this podcast, like is this your number one goal?
	Is this where you want to achieve just this podcast?
	Or do you want to go higher and higher and higher than that?
	I mean, doesn't anybody want more?
	Yeah, so what are you trying to achieve out of this podcast?
	I don't really see how this is a bit of a meta conversation that's not really related to dating, but what do I want to achieve with this podcast?
	I obviously want to be able to try to make some sense of the current dating landscape or hellscape as I like to call it.
	I'd like to.
	Mike Davis donated $100.
	Oh, God.
	Your ninja's got to understand.
	Most females share a collective group think low IQ brain.
	He's the resident of psychology like childhood trauma and be thinking they dropping profound knowledge.
	I agree with the last part there.
	So your question was what?
	What's my purpose?
	Oh, I was saying I obviously am trying to, you know, perhaps move both men and women to a more, as far as I see it, a better worldview when it comes to dating, a better approach to dating.
	I specifically, sometimes I advocate for women, but I mostly advocate for men.
	And obviously, I enjoy putting on an entertaining show.
	And yeah.
	Okay.
	What's your purpose for making nude content on OnlyFans?
	I want to influence the world positively, not OnlyFans, but just with my knowledge.
	No, but you asked me, what's my purpose with what I'm currently doing with my profession?
	What's your purpose for what you're doing?
	In my profession?
	Yeah, you're OnlyFans.
	Okay, like I said, I'm an event management.
	I'm a manager major.
	I'm going to be there soon.
	Sorry.
	I just transferred to the university from a community college, so I got my associate, so I'm almost there for my bachelor's.
	I want to start throwing my own festivals, and I also, I know you don't believe in astrology, but when I'm 80 years old, I will be that astrologer.
	Okay, I mean, all right.
	Yeah.
	Do you want more?
	I have what's your purpose with OnlyFans?
	My purpose with OnlyFans is just to grow from there.
	Like, OnlyFans isn't just me.
	That's the thing what people need to realize.
	Like, like you, like, you said you have more goals and more ambitions.
	Like, OnlyFans, and I do get, I understand your guys' viewpoint that OnlyFans is, like, it, once you start OnlyFans, okay, you're done with.
	Like, your career is over.
	But, like, I have different hobbies.
	I have different goals just like you do.
	And, like, it's like if I come on here and judge you just for the whatever podcast, you know, and like, that's all you're doing, blah, Like, you know what I'm trying to say?
	But the variable is not the judgment.
	The variable is what you guys do.
	But you wouldn't say that's all judgment that you guys are saying?
	Well, I like, for example, think it's okay to judge people who make you think it's okay to judge people.
	Like, I think murderers are bad people.
	I feel like that's something it's like, oh my god, you got, like, yeah, I judge people who murder people.
	Murder, okay.
	Like, I judge if something is objectively bad and I think OnlyFans is objectively bad, then yeah, I would, I would judge that.
	Would that make me treat you like denied service to you or something like that?
	No, but I would make a judgment and like actually reacting to judgment.
	Yeah, I get it.
	Okay.
	That's what I missed.
	Let me, uh, oh, we're gonna go around the table.
	Unfortunately, I can't, I wasn't able to pull it up here, but Stiffler in the chat, he was asking everyone to rate their looks on a scale of one to ten.
	So, rate your looks on a scale of one to ten, starting with you.
	Go ahead.
	Um, I don't like rating looks.
	Sorry, I know that's a stupid question, but it's kind of like everyone has their own viewpoints on beauty and everything.
	So, zero scales.
	What's your scaling me?
	Yeah, what's your own assessment of your own physical appearance?
	Did my answer not make sense?
	I'm uh rejecting your answer because that's I gave you leeway.
	Ten.
	Say it into the mic.
	Ten.
	Depends on the day.
	Some days I feel like a one and other days I'll feel like a ten.
	Hold on.
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	No, I agree with the last part, not that I cute part.
	I agree with the last part.
	Okay, well, that seemed like a total.
	You agreed in the totality of the statement.
	So you're saying, if you had to just give one number, though.
	How you look, not how you feel, because you're saying some days I feel this.
	Just your own self-assessment of your looks.
	One to ten.
	Seven.
	Seven?
	Okay.
	Ten still.
	Same as last time.
	Still, okay.
	I mean, I don't know.
	I have never thought about it.
	I don't really know what I look like.
	She's a ten.
	You know, there's mirrors.
	But like, it didn't give me like a number.
	I just feel like it's really subjective.
	It's kind of a lose-lose comment, like, answer.
	Photograph.
	If you say lower, you're kind of like fucking yourself over.
	You say higher, then, like, people are like, oh, she's not a 10 or she's not this.
	I'll say 10.
	I'm a 10.
	Yeah, she's a 10.
	Good job.
	What about you?
	I'll say I'm a 10.
	Okay.
	That'd be.
	I'm like a 7.
	All right.
	You're a 10.
	How about you?
	A 6.
	You're a 10.
	I'd say I'm an 8.
	10.
	I think a 7.
	10.
	Well, oh, right.
	I give myself a 5.
	You're a 10.
	Did that go down again?
	No, I think I said 5 when you were on.
	I thought you said 6.
	I might have.
	I gained some weight.
	Yeah, I gained some weight, so I gave myself a 5.
	What about the people that love dad bods?
	They might have a higher self-I like dad bods.
	Cool.
	Cool.
	But, okay, so 10, 10, 10, 10.
	He just rigged you.
	I said 7.
	No, no, 10, 10, 10, 10.
	I'm not going to rate you guys, but you guys are not 10s.
	No offense.
	That's fair for you to say.
	That's a crazy thing to say.
	That's just a matter of time.
	Wait, why is that?
	Who said that?
	You think that's a crazy thing to say?
	I think it's crazy thing to say.
	For me to disagree that you're a 10 out of 10 in terms of your physical appearance?
	I mean, you might be right in your head.
	I just think it's a crazy thing to say.
	But why would that be a crazy thing to say?
	I'm going to say about you.
	That's why it's a stupid question to start with.
	It's a stupid thing.
	It's not a stupid question.
	It's not a stupid conversation.
	But why is it a crazy thing to say, though?
	I mean, it's rude.
	It's rude to say that you're not.
	Well, you made us answer.
	But how's it rude?
	How is it rude for me to say that I'm not giving you a rating?
	I'm not saying you're a one.
	I'm just less than what I said I am.
	Yes.
	How's it rude for me to say that you're not essentially to like essentially say you're not on par with the most beautiful women in the world?
	Do you think that?
	No, but I well then how can you possibly be a 10 if you're not on par with the most beautiful women in the world?
	The whole thing is silly.
	I don't why I just don't think it matters either.
	Can I?
	Let me ask you a question.
	How tall are you?
	5'2.
	Would you date a guy who's shorter than you?
	Maybe.
	Maybe.
	Would you prefer to date a guy who's tall?
	Why is that?
	Close.
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	Okay.
	I don't know.
	Wait, so you said you'd prefer to date a guy who's tall.
	Yeah.
	Well, I mean, you are making to some degree.
	It might be shorter than me.
	The whole rating thing, I just don't agree with.
	I don't think...
	Does anybody agree with her that you disagree with the rating thing?
	You think it's wrong?
	I disagree.
	I think it would be a little bit different.
	I think it's silly.
	You can't rate people on their physical appearance.
	Yeah, because you're putting...
	I haven't done that since, like, middle school.
	Hold on, we'll go around the table on this.
	Is it wrong to rate people on their physical appearance?
	You're putting a category of woman of 1 to 10, and everyone has different opinions.
	So it's wrong.
	So it's wrong?
	Yes.
	Is it wrong?
	Maybe in your head it's not wrong, but someone in my face.
	Wait, what do you mean?
	Is it wrong in general?
	No.
	It's wrong to say to someone.
	Okay, all right.
	No, I'm saying it's not wrong.
	Yeah, what's the actual question?
	Because now I'm getting it.
	No, is it wrong to rate yourself or rate people?
	No, I said it's not wrong.
	No.
	You said it was wrong, right?
	I'm saying it's wrong to make us rate ourselves and make us give you an answer and then tell us we're wrong about how we see ourselves because we can't be wrong about how we see ourselves.
	If that makes sense.
	You could.
	You could.
	You're right about how you see me.
	You could be a delusional.
	And if somebody corrects you and says, well, that's actually.
	But it's your opinion, though.
	Like, that's your opinion.
	Do you think there's some degree of objectivity when it comes to beauty?
	Yeah.
	Like, for example.
	It's just like a number, right?
	Like, right, yes.
	Some people will rate you differently than others, but I mean, can we all agree that we could take two people and let's say one is like a model and the other is a basement dwelling obese person.
	A lot of models are funky looking.
	Okay, whatever.
	You know, you know what?
	You know what I mean.
	I'm just saying.
	Let's compare.
	Okay.
	I'm trying to think of a guy who's like exceptionally attractive.
	Timothy Chalamet.
	I was just about to say that.
	You guys think I don't find Timothy Chalamaya.
	I do.
	No, but Dune 2, the way he stepped it up a little bit.
	The first one I was like, second one, I was like, Kylie, baby, I get it.
	He's a very conventionally attractive man.
	I don't like him.
	So is it wrong to judge people based off their physical appearance?
	I guess that's the question.
	It's not wrong.
	Everyone does it.
	That's not what I was saying.
	But your objection to this question, so...
	I judge people.
	Right, I'm sure you make certain distinctions in terms of who you'd want to date based off their physical appearance, correct?
	Like, you'll just date anybody doesn't care in terms of their physical appearance.
	You have no preferences.
	I didn't say that at all.
	Okay, so you could, for example, like if there were a hundred guys, if you were doing this as an assessment, would you not be able to like rank order them from like most attractive to least attractive?
	Do you think you'd be able to do that?
	For me, it's hard.
	I'm very much a personality person in that.
	Okay, but if you do with it.
	Are you on the dating app?
	Yeah, and it's really hard.
	What's the determination when you swipe on somebody?
	Is it their personality or how they look?
	They're funny, or they said something funny to me.
	I don't think they can say something before, unless you're looking at their bio.
	Do you read their bios when you're swiping on guys on dating apps, really?
	Absolutely.
	100%.
	I mean, most of these date.
	It depends what dating app, but if you're like Dinder, most people are not going into the bio.
	Maybe Hinge, you're like doing a little more, but I think that's what we're saying.
	So you're saying if we had 100 guys of varying who looked differently, you wouldn't be able to rank order them in terms of like most attractive to least?
	I think that would be hard.
	I think I could pick a few out and be like, oh, they're cute.
	But like, I feel like comparing people is just weird.
	Yeah.
	For me, that's how I feel.
	Everyone else can just say that.
	So you can.
	I don't know where your argument is going because if we did that, every single one of us would probably rank them differently.
	Right.
	Like, the whole point is that.
	I would actually argue that there might be differences, but you would actually probably, if this is like a mixed bag of people.
	No, I'm not saying you would all rank them the exact same, but there could be you might start seeing patterns in terms of how you would end up ranking them.
	But so it's just you take such an objection to this one to ten scale, but women care a whole lot about literal numerical measurements.
	Let's talk height.
	Women care deeply about the man's height.
	That's literally a numerical measurement.
	Didn't we all pick the second option for that question, though?
	Yeah.
	I picked the first.
	Yeah, but it was like this guy's terrible, but he's physically attractive.
	Right.
	So that kind of goes against exactly what you just said.
	How?
	Because you're saying physical traits outweigh the person.
	No, that's not what I said.
	I said, no, I said women care about physical appearance.
	But like, there's other things that are all like that.
	I agree.
	There are other things that are important besides physical appearance.
	But don't sit here and tell me that you girls don't care at all about physical appearance.
	That would be ridiculous.
	And that's.
	I don't think anyone said that.
	I don't think anyone said that.
	Okay.
	I think he's schizo.
	You think I'm schizo?
	Thank you for your contribution to the whatever podcast.
	That was great.
	That was great.
	I would suspect most of you here do prefer men who are tall.
	That's literally a numerical measurement.
	Not too tall, though.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Fine.
	You don't want to date a guy who's seven feet.
	I get it.
	11 feet tall.
	But when it comes to physical appearance, you guys make all kinds of.
	Actually, you know what?
	Nick, pull up the.
	I mean, don't we both though?
	Don't men and women both.
	Yes, absolutely.
	Okay.
	Absolutely.
	Nick, pull up the TikToks.
	What?
	What about TikToks?
	Nick, go ahead, play it.
	Didn't you show this last time?
	Bro, I don't need these recycling TikToks.
	Do you think?
	Now, do you guys think this is like, would this you feel like misled?
	That's catfishing.
	Would you feel played one more time, really quick, just so they see the beginning?
	Would you feel misled?
	I disagree.
	No.
	Would you feel misled?
	No, no.
	Really?
	I had 24-inch extensions before I chopped my hair off.
	Same concept.
	You wouldn't feel misled a little bit?
	Not necessarily if it's going to stay that way.
	He's going to keep it.
	He's going to update it.
	Oh, so he has to keep it that way.
	If he keeps it that way, yeah.
	What about you?
	I don't really get to quit if I'm going to feel tricked.
	Would you feel like a bit misled because of that?
	Not really.
	I mean, if I compare it to all the things we do, I don't know.
	To me, it didn't seem like a huge difference.
	Yeah, personally.
	Anybody would feel a bit misled?
	Oh, 100%.
	So you're telling me that none of the girls here have a preference for men with a full head of hair?
	You're just fine with men who are balding?
	That would not be part of your calculus.
	A full head of hair.
	What's that?
	I'd like hair.
	I'd like a full head.
	Thank you for being honest.
	I'm not being honest.
	I don't.
	But it's like.
	Okay, what?
	I said some guys look good bald.
	Some guys do.
	Right, but you don't have a preference.
	You don't have a preference for guys who have a full head of hair.
	If I liked that dude and I was dating him and he's like, I'm balding, would that change?
	That's happened to me before where my ex-Nick, play the other one.
	Play the other one.
	All right, go ahead.
	Oh, there he is.
	Okay.
	Bald is.
	He's hot.
	I'm not going to lie.
	So he's got like a toupee, basically.
	I feel like he's insecure.
	He's got a toupee.
	So he's line his face.
	I mean, would you guys not feel, if like I saw him with no hair, I would date him.
	I think that's so shallow, though.
	Like, for real, I do.
	I think because like hair does not define you as a person.
	If you like that person, like, mm-hmm.
	But are you denying that people just totally disregard physical appearance when making an assessment of who they want to date?
	No, I never said that.
	But you're saying, like, do you feel betrayed or whatever the word you use?
	What's the word you use?
	Bamboozle.
	Misled.
	Misled.
	Like, who cares?
	It's fucking hair.
	You wouldn't feel.
	Okay, what about if do you have a height preference at all or don't care?
	I mean, I don't really care.
	I've always just naturally dated taller people because I was always around taller people.
	How tall are you?
	5'6.
	5'6.
	But you don't care about height.
	But conveniently, all the men you've ultimately ended up dating happen to be tall.
	It's funny because when we talk about height, women say, I don't care, but then you ask them, well, what's the height of all the men you've dated?
	Conveniently, they all end up being like six feet.
	Well, I mean, I would say, if I could say something, I will say I do like a taller man because I am taller.
	But all, or the two boyfriends that I did have were my height.
	Okay.
	Look, I'm not saying that women never date men who are shorter or whatever.
	I'm not saying that.
	But generally speaking, like, are we going to sit here and deny that women don't prefer tall men?
	I think some women do and some women don't.
	Most women prefer tall men.
	Yeah, I mean, I don't disagree with that, but I'm six foot and I've been in four relationships and three of those men were shorter than me.
	They were 5'10 and I'm 6' and that was okay.
	That didn't bother me.
	I still worked.
	I think it would bother me either.
	I think that's more of a symptom of you being in the like one percentile of women's height.
	And they're you're just it's gonna be harder for you to find men who are taller than you.
	I mean, my last boyfriend was 6'4 and.
	Oh, well, okay.
	But the other two guys were 5'10.
	Yeah.
	Which is the average male height.
	So.
	We're talking a lot about physical.
	Like, what about mentality?
	Like, what about their childhood energy?
	Like, connecting with them.
	This whole objection to the one to 10 scale, it's just, I find it interesting because we all make judgment calls about the people that we're going to date.
	And you can deny it.
	And you can say, well, I don't care about looks at all, but I mean, that's cap.
	No one said that.
	Men care about looks.
	Women care about looks.
	But this objection to like the rating thing is a bit boggling to me.
	Yeah.
	I actually think the question is just stupid because it's subjective.
	It's not subjective.
	You're asking me what I rate myself.
	Okay, so if I showed you, I'm trying to think.
	If I showed you a picture of Brad Pitt when he's young and then a picture of Donald Trump now and I asked all the women in the United States to who do you think is more physically attractive?
	You don't think there would be any objective basis?
	Like you don't think that comparing Brad Pitt in his youth to Donald Trump now, how he looks now, you think that it's going to be 50-50.
	No one ever said that.
	But do you think it would be 50-50?
	I didn't say that.
	So we are able to make some degree of assessment about somebody's physical attractiveness, are we not?
	Sure.
	So then how is it a stupid question?
	Because you're not asking me to rate you.
	You're asking me to rate myself.
	And then tell us that we're wrong.
	Yeah, but okay.
	There's a point Because I saw it coming.
	I knew when I said 10, you're going to be like, you're not.
	Okay.
	I have one more question, and I'll tell you why I asked this question.
	You have something?
	Go ahead.
	No, I also think that a flip side can be equally, the point can equally be made.
	You could meet somebody that's marginally attractive, and then you get to know them, and then they end up being extremely attractive to you.
	So the flip side can also be.
	Absolutely.
	I mean, look, I'm not saying looks are the only thing that matters.
	You can make up for it in a myriad of other ways.
	Personality, status, etc.
	But, okay, so here's another question.
	Donald Trump is 10.
	There you go.
	Donald Trump's never coming on the podcast.
	No, I compared him to Brad Pitt.
	Okay.
	All right.
	W, Trump.
	All else being equal.
	All else being equal, do you think you will be more physically attractive in 10 years than you are now?
	Go ahead.
	If I'm physically, yes, yes, yes.
	You'll be more, so you're 22.
	You'll be more physically attractive at 32.
	Yes.
	No.
	Honestly, Asian don't raise in.
	My dad glew up as he got older.
	So.
	What about your mom?
	My mom looks good too.
	Huh.
	So you'll be more physically attractive at 36 as compared to now at 26.
	looking at myself i feel like i still kind of have a baby face at 26 so i feel like yeah you're a bad You're straight.
	You good.
	Girl, you're going to look good till you're 55.
	Yeah, I think it's good.
	You're set.
	So, no, we'll go around the table.
	We'll go around the table.
	I heard your answer.
	I heard your answer.
	I'll come back to that.
	What about you?
	I think it'd go either way.
	I'm hoping so.
	I hope I look good.
	What do you think, though?
	Yes.
	So you're 25, right?
	You'll be more physically attractive at 35 than at 25.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	So we're saying, like, at 35, I think I would look prettier at 35.
	You think you'll be more physically attractive at 35?
	Yeah, because I'm 24.
	I feel like I'm going to grow 24, 34.
	Okay.
	You're going to grow.
	I don't know.
	I'm going to just grow in my body more.
	I don't know.
	Work on myself more.
	I probably will look better.
	So you're 39.
	Will you be more attractive at 49 or now?
	Yes, I think so.
	You'll be more attractive at 49 than you are now.
	I've glown up.
	Okay, what about you?
	No.
	What about you?
	I think that attractiveness.
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	Go ahead.
	I think attractiveness is kind of determined by youthfulness.
	And not by everyone, but to me, what I think is attractive is youthfulness and glowing skin, clear skin, long hair.
	So I think when I'm 36 and 26, I think that I'm more beautiful now, but people can age gracefully and look beautiful 10 years from now.
	Some people look better.
	That's what I was trying to say.
	To clarify, I'm not saying that in 10 years' time, you're just going to be unattractive.
	That's not the question.
	You may very well still be attractive in 10 years.
	That's not the question.
	Will you be more attractive in 10 years is the question.
	No, based off of what I just said regarding youthfulness, I'm 26, and I don't think that I will be as youthful when I'm 36.
	That's not to say I won't be attractive, but to answer your question, 26 is more youthful.
	Sure.
	Now.
	Okay.
	So I think you answered yes.
	You answered yes.
	Yes, yes, yes.
	So is you five right there.
	Will you be more attractive in 20 years?
	Yes.
	I think my 30s.
	Wait, genuinely, or are you just trolling?
	No, yes, yes.
	Sorry.
	I feel like in my 30s, I'll peak.
	So, no, not in 20 years.
	I mean, I'll be more attractive than you can just see it in her face.
	She's a badass bitch.
	Next question.
	Go ahead.
	I just want my face to like slim down a little bit.
	Interface is slim.
	You know what I mean?
	Girl, you're perfect.
	No, I feel like when I get older, like, that's not what happened to my dad.
	He, like, looks small.
	I actually think men prefer, don't like that, like, super slim look.
	No, my dad looks good.
	My dad has a six-pack.
	I'm not sure how bad.
	Yeah, I'm going to say my genetics.
	I'm saying my genetics.
	Like, as he got older, he looked better.
	So you're 26.
	You're 26-year-olds, excuse me, 26 years old currently.
	You think you'll be more physically attractive at 46?
	Could be.
	No, no, no, no.
	That's not the question.
	I mean, I take care of myself.
	I do get Botox.
	I get my face done.
	So, I mean, yeah, I could.
	So you think.
	It's not.
	Okay.
	I wear sunscreen.
	So you think you'll be more physically attractive at 46 than at 26, okay?
	Yep.
	God bless my husband.
	What about you?
	Don't wear sunscreen.
	You think you'll be more.
	Are you guys just like saying this just to be like combative, or you genuinely believe you'll be more physically attractive at 45 than at 25?
	Okay.
	What about you?
	I don't know.
	At that point, now I'm like kind of a lot older, so probably not.
	Okay.
	I'm going to say no.
	No, I'm not going to be able to do that.
	Well, you're not.
	Okay, you guys already answered.
	Don't you think it's a little bit delusional to think in 20 years you will be more physically attractive than you are now?
	How is that not, are you guys just not aware of the effects of aging?
	Well, if she does enough spells on herself, she could age backwards, right?
	I also don't think aging is ugly.
	Yeah, exactly.
	And so you're in.
	Just to be clear.
	Then why don't you draw wrinkles on your face when you're doing your makeup?
	I think she means naturally.
	Like if you're saying aging looks great.
	What about viral weighing?
	Can we talk about aging?
	I'm talking about actual real aging.
	I have a question.
	Those of you who ranked yourselves at 10s over here, which I think was you, you, you, and you, but you're saying you're going to be more physically attractive in 10 years, more physically attractive in 20 years.
	How can you possibly be a 10 now if you will be better looking in 10 or 20 years?
	I feel like a 10 now, so I'm a 10.
	I don't know about some of this.
	And if you don't look close to them, you're not a 10.
	Facts.
	They got a lot of plastic surgery some of those.
	I don't know.
	I don't know if I agree on that, but kill of cereal, I do appreciate it.
	Wait, so okay.
	30 years?
	Any 30 years more attractive in 30 years?
	You don't want to hear from me.
	I'm just going to shut up.
	Okay, so basically, if you guys will be more attractive in 10 years, 20 years, if I could wave a magic wand that could only advance your outer appearance to how you will look in 10 or 20 years with no impact on your health, would you take it?
	No.
	But I thought you said you'd be more attractive.
	Wouldn't you want to be more attractive?
	I don't trust whatever you're taking, giving me.
	Oh, yeah, I'm down.
	You're down to.
	Okay.
	Brain hasn't aged.
	Like, I'm the same.
	You're healthy.
	You're still healthy.
	Just your outward physical appearance.
	Brain is the same.
	Brain is the same.
	I want to age with my body.
	Like, I want to.
	But don't you want to be, don't you want to advance to your more attractive self at 35 and 45?
	I never said that.
	Who wouldn't want to be about myself later when I'm wiser and more beautiful?
	Sounds like a bunch of mental gymnastics, but okay, what about you?
	What was the question?
	If I could wave a magic wand, only advance your outer appearance to how you will look in 10 or 20 years, because you said you'll be more physically attractive in 10 or 20 years with no impact on your health, would you take it?
	Probably, yeah.
	Huh.
	Okay.
	Then why do you get Botox?
	I don't.
	It's not having wrinkles.
	It's like, what he's saying is he's saying he would expedite the aging process 10 years.
	So you would look 10 years older right now.
	Oh, that's what he's saying.
	If you could wave a magic wand to look better, because your argument is you would look better in 10 years.
	You would look 36.
	In terms of my face slimming down, that was my answer.
	But I don't want wrinkles.
	I'm not going to say like, yes, give it wrinkles.
	you can't cherry pick what that comes with i mean yeah so i'm gonna continue to get no no I said, okay, if I'm continuing to get Botox how I am right now and my face slims down, I believe I will be more attractive.
	Delusional.
	You're beautiful.
	I'm just saying.
	That was my answer.
	You're fucking beautiful.
	I'll even grant you this.
	So, because just to be as charitable as I can with the question, the magic wand question, you will advance your age for your outward appearance forward 10 or 20 years, and it'll stay that way for 10 or 20 years.
	So it's not like, well, I advance it forward 10 or 20 years, and then I just continually age because perhaps you concede that, well, in 30 years, then I'll be less attractive.
	So we'll stick it in place.
	We'll stick your outward physical appearance for 10 years, 20 years.
	You would take your 40, how you look at 46 and change it for how, swap it out.
	Understanding your question.
	I got lost there.
	Okay, because all of you said you all think that you'll be more physically attractive in 10 years or 20 years, correct?
	So wouldn't it then be you'd be better capable of attracting a partner if we just advanced your outward appearance?
	If we could wave a magic wand 10 or 20 years, right?
	So for you, you're 26, right?
	So we could snap up a finger, you look 46, and you'll still have to.
	I always said 10 years.
	36.
	You said you'll look better in 20 years also.
	I said maybe.
	I didn't say yes to him.
	That's what you got in the middle.
	Okay, fine.
	Fine.
	We'll do 36.
	Wave a wand.
	We advance your outward appearance to how you will look at 36.
	And it'll stay that way for 10 years.
	So it's not like you're just advancing your outward physical appearance in terms of your aging.
	In terms of your health, nothing changes.
	Do you take it?
	No.
	That's the most.
	You're delusional.
	I'm sorry.
	You're delusional.
	Don't trust what he gives you.
	You guys are just delusional.
	I don't know how else to say that.
	I thought you were schizo.
	I think that's you.
	You're projecting.
	Way are you projecting?
	Okay, anyways, disregarding that.
	I'll tell you.
	Look, I'll tell you guys why I push back on this and why I think it's important.
	So I think one of the important things when it comes to dating is knowing what your league is, knowing where you are in the dating marketplace.
	Because I don't know if you guys know, do you know any guys who think they're hot shit, but they're not?
	Yeah.
	Now, what if I told you that's what you are?
	You think, because if you think I'm fucking a 10 out of 10, I'm super fucking hot.
	Here's where it gets dangerous for women.
	Not like dangerous in terms of violence or anything, but here's where it gets dangerous.
	One, it's just delusional.
	Two, you're going to be chasing after a certain caliber of guy if you think that you're, oh, I'm, this is my league here.
	What ends up happening is.
	Well, women don't chase after guys.
	They don't.
	But also, look, you're going to be pursuing men.
	And this is why women are so upset by fuckboys and guys that sleep with you.
	And then that's it.
	They don't want to give you commitment.
	Is you can women can sleep outside of their league.
	Men can't.
	We get rejected on the front end.
	So if a guy, for example, me, if I try to, I can't get anything from a girl who's outside of my league.
	I can't get a conversation.
	I can't get a date.
	I certainly can't get sex from a girl who's more attractive than me, who's outside of my league.
	That just means you're not going to be able to do that.
	It's 100% true.
	It has nothing to do with insecurity.
	It has to do with reality.
	What's your definition?
	Now, I'm sure maybe you guys might agree with me, though.
	There are men who will gladly sleep with you who will never give you commitment.
	Do you agree with that?
	100%, but like, I don't think that's where we started.
	I understand.
	Well, I'll explain it further.
	I'll explain it further.
	I'll explain it further.
	No, it's the truth, but you can be quiet while I'm explaining it.
	I got you.
	So as a guy, we get rejected on the front end.
	Women tend to get rejected on the back end.
	So what ends up happening is you'll sleep with a guy.
	Now, you might have, maybe on your end, you just want to keep it casual.
	Perhaps that's the case.
	But it could also be the case that you want to pursue this man for a long-term relationship.
	Here's where you can get into trouble.
	If you have an inaccurate self-assessment of your own physical attractiveness, you might be trying to pursue men that will never, ever give you commitment.
	You're going to get stuck in situationships.
	You're going to get stuck in friends with benefits.
	You'll never get commitment from the guy because men will gladly sleep with women who are below their league, so to speak.
	And so that's why it's dangerous for women to not be able to like accurately assess, well, is this guy outside of my league?
	Because guys, like a guy who's, just to use the numbers, I know you guys don't like the numbers, a guy who's a 10 or 9, for example, he'll have sex with a girl who's a six or a five.
	Maybe even keep her around for friends with benefits.
	She's never going to get commitment.
	Now what ends up happening, because she thinks she can sleep with him, she thinks that's her league.
	So then she thinks, well, he's a nine.
	I must be a nine.
	Not really how it works.
	The way you know what your league is, is the guys who you can get commitment from, who you get marriage from.
	That's your league.
	Brian, can I ask a question for the panel?
	For the women here, how many of you, myself included, have broken up with somebody because they feel like they're not getting, because you feel like you're not getting what you want or what you feel like you deserve.
	And so you break up with them.
	Everybody.
	Like, For whatever reason, you're just like Brian said, it's a situationship, it's a friends with benefits, he doesn't want to put a label on it, and you've just been kind of going with the flow, but at a certain point, you've kind of had it and you got to cut loose.
	How many of the women here have experienced that?
	Yeah.
	I have a question for Brian.
	Sorry.
	Is it related to the conversation?
	Yeah, about the rejection thing.
	Okay.
	What is it?
	So you were saying like you get rejected by a lot of people who are, you know, not in your league or whatever.
	Or not you, but in general, guys.
	Yeah.
	Sorry.
	In general, guys get rejected or whatever.
	I'm just confused why you think that way.
	Like, were you, did you, were you rejected a lot as a kid?
	Oh my god.
	As a kid?
	Yeah, because it's starting to, because like the whatever podcast and the attention meeting, it's starting to all click.
	It's clicking for you.
	Yeah, it is clicking.
	What's clicking?
	A lot.
	Next.
	Are you big on like talk therapy?
	Have you done that a lot?
	What?
	Sorry?
	Have you done a lot of talk therapy?
	Like, do you think that's a good idea?
	Therapy?
	I've done, like, I've gone to therapy, but it's more spirituality route.
	I was just curious.
	But also, like, therapy kind of involved, like, psychology involved with it.
	Brian, but I totally agree with what you said.
	I think men get a lot of rejection on the front half, and then women will get into a relationship thinking, okay, we got the man, we got the bag, but then we, for whatever reason, are disappointed with the direction of the relationship and where it's going, and so we'll be the one to cut the ties.
	And so the men will get, sorry, the women, unfortunately, will get the back end of the rejection.
	What's your question?
	No, it wasn't a question.
	I was just agreeing.
	You said that men get rejection basically in the beginning, and women get the rejection at the end of it because we will usually pull out because we're not getting what we want.
	So in a sense, we're getting rejected that way because our needs or our wants aren't being met.
	Yeah, I mean, it's very, it's very different between men and women.
	But if I can kind of bring it back to my point that I was trying to make really quick here, is that I would argue for most women, in order for you to sleep with a guy, he needs to be at least physically attractive enough for you to see yourself in a relationship with him.
	Like he's at least attractive enough for you to be in a relationship with him.
	Whether it gets there or not, that's totally separate.
	Whereas men will sleep with a girl of a certain physical attractiveness that we will instantly disqualify her from a relationship.
	But we'll sleep with her.
	We can be in a relationship with her.
	So, I mean, I don't know if anybody disagrees.
	If you, you ladies are just fucking men that you just, their looks alone, you would never be in a relationship with them just based off their looks.
	Is anybody, is there any pushback here?
	Or you just, you guys actually agree with me on this?
	I already gave my opinion.
	I agree.
	Look, here's the difference.
	As guys, if we can sleep with the girl, there's pretty high likelihood we can get her in a relationship.
	The reverse, though, isn't, it doesn't occur to me that that's always the case.
	Just because you can sleep with a guy, it's not clear to me if you can get that guy in a relationship.
	100%.
	That's a crazy mentality.
	How's that a crazy mentality?
	I don't know.
	I think you can get whoever you want if you have your mind to it.
	That's the most R-slurred thing I've ever heard.
	You can get whoever you want.
	Is that the manifestation thing that you're talking about?
	Doesn't matter.
	Do your own research at this point.
	There's no such thing as manifestation.
	Do your own research.
	I think women try to sleep up.
	That makes sense.
	Sure.
	That's fine.
	But we don't necessarily, that doesn't necessarily correlate to a relationship, longevity.
	Okay.
	Don't know what the manifestation stuff is about.
	I mean, that's just a do you actually live in reality?
	You think you can get anybody you want?
	What's your definition of reality?
	Exactly.
	Yeah.
	Do you think that is that like an own?
	Do you think that was a W?
	Exactly.
	You're asking the definition of reality?
	No, it's an Alan Watts quote.
	Like, what's your definition of reality?
	Did you get a lot of detentions when you were in high school?
	Detentions?
	Yeah, detentions.
	I only, I got, what's it called when you're in lunch detention?
	I got a lot of people.
	You got a lot of those.
	And then I, no, just once.
	A lot of behavioral issues.
	No, I was actually a really good kid.
	What was your home life like?
	Wild.
	Was your father in the picture?
	Yeah, my father's still in the picture.
	But he was.
	Are your parents married?
	No, they're divorced.
	Divorced?
	Okay.
	I'm going to go over some of your pre-show notes here.
	You said you were arrested for a felony.
	What was that?
	Xanax.
	For what?
	I had it on me.
	You had it on you?
	I was very addicted to Xanax as a kid.
	And I like to spread addiction awareness now because I am 100% clean.
	You're sober?
	Yeah, that's why I'm not drinking white claws with everybody else.
	Caffeine is keeping me alive right now.
	But yeah.
	Is everyone drinking white clothes?
	Like, I got water.
	I think two or three of the girls had one drink before the show.
	Yeah.
	Okay, so you were in possession for distribution?
	What?
	For having it.
	Because it wasn't like a script.
	So, yeah.
	Have you ever distributed any drugs?
	Sold any drugs?
	No.
	You said going to school off Molly?
	What does that mean?
	Okay.
	Like I told you, I was spiling.
	Okay, so when I was 17, I started dating a guy who was six years older than me.
	So that's yikes.
	That's what started my addiction issues because he was bringing me all these drugs and stuff.
	You got addicted.
	Yeah, exactly.
	And that's when I, and then at like 19, I realized, okay, addiction is a problem.
	Like, I thought that I'm an addict.
	That's it.
	I'm done with my life.
	Like, I'm going to die.
	But I realized you can actually fucking live past this.
	You can, you know.
	And yeah, that was a bad time in my life.
	But that's why I'm also here.
	I'm here for the addicts.
	Like, I know, I don't know how you guys feel about addicts, but.
	Not really a conversation I'm inclined to have.
	You said you were in a mental hospital.
	Do you care to explain that?
	Yeah.
	So I was with that guy.
	I got baker acted.
	Do you know what baker acted is?
	In Florida, if you say you want to die immediately, bait.
	Just if you're going to refer to, like, just say you wanted to delete yourself or something.
	Okay, okay, sorry.
	Okay, you got baker acted, so you went to a mental hospital.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Have you been diagnosed with anything?
	Yeah.
	What?
	Anxiety, depression, and IDH, BPD, and then borderline personality disorder.
	Okay.
	And then I think that's it.
	Yeah, that's it.
	Okay.
	You said that the guy who you were dating when you were 17, he made you pull up on an old high school friend and you robbed him.
	Yeah, he robbed him.
	I was in the front seat.
	Oh, he robbed the guy.
	The guy had the gun to his face, and I watched the poor kid's eyes.
	Like, trust me, I've paid my karma for that.
	Okay.
	You got in something about that.
	You've been in a lot of car accidents.
	Was it because you were driving?
	Seven.
	Were you driving?
	I was only driving two of them.
	Okay.
	And then the other one was my ex's fault.
	Same ex one time realized no one put money on a bottle, so he just started shooting.
	Yep.
	A gun?
	Yes.
	Florida people.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Stay away from Florida, guys.
	Did he hit anybody?
	Probably.
	I don't even know at this point.
	Okay.
	You crashed into a sheriff's house.
	Yeah.
	Were you driving?
	Mm-hmm.
	Okay.
	You say you're obviously clean now.
	Are you, though?
	You seemed a little zonked at the beginning of the podcast.
	I was zonked.
	Out of it.
	Out of it?
	Yeah.
	Or is that just you?
	I feel like it's just kind of me.
	Yeah.
	Let's see.
	You said your ex did you bite down on someone's lip, or was that your ex?
	Yeah, that was my ex.
	That was the recent ass.
	He bit down on your lip?
	Yeah.
	Okay, that's abusive.
	You said you jumped a Beezy with Jules, which is one of your friends.
	Instigating it.
	It was because at the time, it was when I first started My OnlyFans at 18.
	I didn't want anyone in my hometown to find out.
	And then this girl was telling everybody, and I got mad.
	Like I told you, I was.
	What do you mean you jumped her?
	How did you jump her?
	Like, jumping means like when someone.
	I have a sense of what it means, but what did you do specifically?
	Okay, so she lived in my same apartment complex and she knew I was mad at her.
	And she told her to come over and she knew what type of time I was on.
	But I'm not like that anymore.
	So you guys fought?
	I beat her ass.
	You beat her ass?
	Yeah.
	Are you violent with partners?
	No.
	Have you ever been violent with a partner?
	My ex, the three-year one, he got it out of me.
	I'm not going to lie.
	He did get it out of me.
	Who initiated the violence?
	Him?
	But you said he would bring it out of you.
	But it was because he was violent.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	You when you jumped, so you jumped a girl with your friend.
	Yeah.
	So it was a 2v1?
	Joey donated $100.
	Ladies, you are in your best years to have the most marital options.
	What specifically is stopping you from getting married in your prime?
	Anything?
	I guess I'm just waiting for the right partner that shares the same religious views because all the qualities I look for in a man, if I just extract it and try to look for that in society, it all leads back to my religious views.
	So it's like just finding that partner for me.
	And there's no rush at this point because I've done it my way and trying to figure it out and I didn't figure it out my way.
	So.
	All right.
	Hold on, guys.
	Because some of these chats are about to fall off.
	I'm just going to pull them up and then I'll come back to some of my stuff.
	The piece starts with the woman.
	She has to consent to it being made, or otherwise, it never leaves the bedroom.
	Therefore, women need to be held accountable first before men.
	Sorry that I'm getting to some of these now.
	They came in a while ago.
	I think this is like talking about the adult content.
	Women start that, I guess.
	Let me read this one.
	Or Natalie, could you read these?
	Some of these are coming through.
	Brian, will you accept the marathon challenge?
	You versus me, quickest time wins.
	Obviously, you win, you get a bottle of Johnny Blue, and I stop trolling, I win, and I come on and debate.
	Yes or no?
	He keeps asking, Brian.
	Yeah, I'm not going to do a race.
	I'm sorry.
	I appreciate your patronage, though, and your messages.
	Thank you, man.
	Thank you, the Bronaissance.
	Time for logic.
	If you were all tens, you wouldn't even be on this podcast, let alone have trouble getting a man to commit to you.
	Time to come back to reality.
	What's your definition of reality?
	If you're all tens.
	That's a fair point.
	We have this one.
	If you can read this, disgruntled.
	Thank you, man.
	Jabriel, thank you.
	Natalie is only 10.
	TBH.
	Question for the ladies.
	Do you watch anime?
	All right, going around the table.
	Do you watch anime?
	Thank you, Natalie.
	No, I don't.
	No.
	Naruto.
	No.
	I've only seen Naruto.
	No.
	No.
	All right.
	We have this one.
	Ask the women to rate their intelligence on a scale of zero to 200.
	I'm really young, so I would say 50 because I have a lot to learn.
	I feel like maybe 100, that'd be in between average.
	That's a really broad question.
	If I'm thinking like emotional intelligence, I'm very high.
	I mean, obviously, I didn't know the answers to the World War questions.
	We'll put that out there.
	But I didn't really pay attention that much in history because I was really science focused.
	So I'm sorry, I didn't give an answer yet.
	All right.
	You're meandering.
	You're making your way to the answer.
	I was just clarifying how I'm getting to my answer.
	Go ahead.
	Go ahead.
	I'm going to say 125.
	Okay.
	I think you were saying before, like, there's so many different ways to be intelligent.
	Exactly.
	That's what I was saying, too.
	Yeah.
	I'd be in the hundreds.
	We all have more to learn, but I would also say 100.
	I'd say 125.
	Yeah, like 120.
	I'd say 130.
	I don't want to get trolled like the girls who said 10, but like 1.
	I didn't deserve a high note.
	175.
	Yeah, no.
	I didn't mean for you to assume these choices were post-plastics.
	Look at them pre-plastics.
	No one aside from medical intervention should get plastic surgery.
	If you're a 10 on panel, no makeup, please.
	Well put, if you look at those people before their plastic surgery, I mean, you wouldn't think that they were a 10 on the street.
	Does anyone know?
	I don't even know like half of the people.
	Well, they just listed a bunch of different like models.
	I mean, Kylie Jenner definitely was not.
	Would she be a 10 without her plastic surgery?
	I don't think she's a 10 with it.
	Okay, so.
	But Shizzle, we have the king of DIY.
	If you can read this one, ladies, you're in your best years to have the most marital options.
	What specifically is stopping you from getting married in your prime?
	I think he sent it as a super chat, but he also sent it as.
	Did anybody else want to answer this one?
	What's stopping you from getting married?
	I got married in my prime.
	Best years.
	Divorce.
	Okay.
	I don't think I'm in my prime yet.
	Yeah, your prime's at 45, is it?
	65, maybe.
	She's getting there.
	She's getting to her prime.
	She's going to be a...
	Fine wine.
	I took some MILF.
	Okay.
	Thank you for your answers.
	Up to 75k seems feasible for an established man seeking marriage.
	I earn 5x that.
	May I suggest a book?
	I Kissed Dating Goodbye by Joshua Harris.
	If a serious man you love chose to wait for marriage for sex, would you wait?
	Nice stories.
	Okay.
	If a serious man that you love wanted to wait for marriage to have sex, would you wait?
	Let's just say, would you wait for marriage to have sex?
	Starting with you, go ahead.
	No.
	You gotta test a car before you buy it.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	I agree with that.
	I'm not religious, so I don't have any part of me that ever really wanted that.
	I love Andrew Tate.
	So you, yes, you would wait or no?
	No, I would not wait.
	I mean, that ship has sailed, I think, already, but with a new person.
	No, I mean with a new person.
	Like with a new person.
	I could wait.
	Okay.
	Yeah, I think if I'm a new person and I love them, I'd wait.
	Okay.
	No.
	Absolutely not.
	No.
	Yes, I would.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Thank you, Journey Life, for your question.
	Appreciate it.
	We're all caught up.
	On our chats here, getting back to your criminal history.
	You said you jumped a B with Jules.
	So, like, you both jumped her and she was alone?
	No, I was an instigator.
	I was there alone, and then she just kind of jumped in.
	It was just stupid.
	Jules jumped in or I jumped.
	No, yeah, she jumped in, but it was my fault.
	It had nothing to do with her.
	I feel like you live euphoria, like in real life.
	I just unfortunately like Jewel.
	Unfortunately.
	Like the Molly in school.
	Yeah, I privated that video.
	Because people were messaging me saying, I want to do Molly.
	And I'm like, no, please don't.
	You said that you like to degrade men on your SW platforms.
	Yes.
	You like to degrade men?
	So I'm not going to promote this platform, but this is how I personally talk to men.
	And there's a lot of guys on there who have fetishes.
	Like I told you guys, there's a lot of fetishes out there.
	And they like to be made fun of their beepy size.
	So I'll sit there and make fun of them for it.
	And you enjoy it?
	It's like an act.
	But you derive pleasure from degrading them.
	Fuck no, I'm numb to that shit.
	You said it's fun.
	You said it's fun for you.
	No, I'm numb to it.
	But do you see a problem with being numb to that?
	Yes and no.
	So, yeah, you said yes.
	Why would you allow yourself to do something that you have to numb yourself?
	Because I'm numb to the buyers.
	I'm numb to the view, not the viewers, but the buyers, the OnlyFans people.
	I'm not numb to the people that I genuinely fall in love with and genuinely find a connection with.
	Because I don't date my OnlyFans people.
	I don't date my SP people.
	I don't date none of my buyers.
	But I guess what my argument is, is why would you continue to do something that isn't fulfilling you?
	That isn't making you happy and joyous and bringing out the best in you.
	No, it is, it is, I guess it is.
	Did I say it wasn't making me happy?
	No, no, but it was implied.
	And you said by the way.
	It's making me happy.
	Okay, so numbness is happiness to you?
	No.
	Okay.
	You also said that when you were young, you would fill up Walmart carts with alcohol and shoplifts.
	Basically.
	Well, no, I wouldn't do it.
	Steal it.
	I wouldn't do it.
	I wouldn't do it.
	My friends would do it.
	They would fill up a cart.
	While you were.
	It was 24 hours before COVID.
	Okay.
	So they fill up the cart with beer and all this bullshit.
	And then they'd run out of Walmart and we'd pick them up in the car and zoom, zoom, zoom, we out.
	All right.
	That's interesting.
	Yeah.
	You also said that you hate labels.
	Oh, that's related to that stuff.
	Okay.
	You said that you've seen one clip from the podcast.
	Your friend explained to you the concept.
	I kind of wanted to go not knowing the vibe.
	Yeah, that's what I was asking you.
	You said you know he hates on OF girls and sex workers, so I'm ready for that discussion.
	I mean, what's the clip that you saw?
	I don't even know anymore.
	Oh, okay.
	Yeah.
	There's a clip.
	Yeah, I don't hate on women who do OF or sex work, but a lot of women come on fucking disrespectful, kind of like yourself.
	So yeah, you might see clips where I'm like checking these people who come on disrespectful.
	I'm actually compared to like some other podcasts, and given like the cohort of people I deal with, I actually think I'm fairly charitable when it comes to conversations.
	I was barely like, I didn't know about it until my kick streamers joined.
	Your Twitch streamers?
	No, kick.
	Kick streamers joined.
	Yeah, I know the platform.
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	Okay, I'm not seeking an apology.
	No, I thought you accidentally thought it was the old one, the KIK, like, because a lot of people always think that the text messaging one that people used to do.
	Oh, the messaging app?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	So that's what you disagree.
	What specifically do you disagree on?
	I mean, I don't think it's a, I think it's a sub-optimal dating choice to date someone who's involved in OF or sex work.
	Is that what you disagree with?
	You said you don't agree with dating someone who does OF, or you do?
	I think it's a sub-optimal choice for men to make.
	And I suppose women too.
	Yeah.
	I wouldn't recommend women go and date men who are porn stars.
	I don't have a double standard on this, but yeah, I think it is a sub-optimal dating choice.
	And I'm not claiming sitting here saying I'm perfect.
	Have you ever dated someone with an OF?
	No.
	No.
	Okay, I was just wondering.
	And actually, I've even stated that so long as they've not done, and I'm, I mean, it's still a sub-optimal dating choice, but if there was like some girl and she did solo content, maybe conceivably, maybe.
	But there's other options out there too.
	Of course.
	But I haven't.
	So.
	Yeah, I was just wondering.
	But is that your contention?
	What do you mean?
	My contention of what?
	That I am.
	I advise men to not date women who are involved in OnlyFans.
	That's what I thought, but I guess not anymore.
	What do you mean?
	That's what you thought?
	I just said before I came here.
	Okay.
	Oh, so you do still believe that?
	Still believe that.
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	One claims a 40 IQ, not even intellectually functioning.
	Another claims 175 IQ higher than Einstein.
	What the F is.
	I wasn't saying 175 IQ.
	I thought they were just going with like an arbitrary scale.
	That isn't IQ.
	Yeah, they asked IQ.
	They asked me, I don't think I'm an intellectual net.
	Is that even possible?
	It is a fair point.
	He did not say it was an IQ scale.
	It was from 0 to 200.
	Although, isn't that typically what the range is for?
	Well then we also touched on there's multiple things to consider.
	Can you have a zero IQ?
	Would you have to be like a vegetable basically?
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	No, vegetable.
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	Yeah, like brain dead.
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	Oh, no, it's okay.
	I need to get up really quick.
	Natalie, do you have a question?
	You got anything for the ladies?
	Oh my gosh.
	Can we talk about like feminism stuff?
	I think that's a great idea.
	Maybe if you can go around the table.
	Are you a feminist?
	Are you a feminist?
	Or we could go Trump stuff.
	I think feminist stuff.
	Are you feminist?
	Yeah.
	No answer.
	You can't.
	Okay, no, We're not going to do that.
	Fuck.
	Yes, I guess.
	I mean, what's your definition of it?
	Like, that they believe women are high.
	What would be your definition?
	That women are equal.
	That's awesome.
	Yeah.
	I've said no.
	Yes, I'm a feminist.
	Yes.
	Yes, moderately.
	Yeah.
	No, I'm not.
	Not at all.
	So you guys think being a feminist means that you think men and women are equal?
	That's your definition?
	What do you guys think?
	The definition of feminism.
	No.
	I didn't mean to say that's my definition, but there's different levels to it.
	There's extreme feminists and that's how I was like, yes, I am.
	Yes, I am.
	Well, so I guess my take on feminism and why I'm not a feminist is because I think that the balance of masculine and femininity is so beautiful.
	And I can't do a lot of things that a man can do and a man can't do a lot of things that I can do.
	And I think that's a beautiful combination to have a partner that can compliment you.
	That's really important to me.
	And I don't think we should try to compete or be something we're not meant to be biologically, especially.
	Would you date a man who didn't identify himself as a feminist?
	Yes.
	Yes.
	No.
	Why not?
	Well, for me, I think feminism is just about us all having the same amount of rights.
	What rights do women not have that men have?
	I mean, just...
	Where do you think there's inequality in society between men and women?
	Well, I just mean like women in sports.
	Because all the transgender men are coming in.
	Fair enough.
	hot topic what do you mean Women in sports in general, I think, get paid less because there's less viewers for My definition of it is really broad.
	I agree with her.
	And if someone didn't think.
	Okay, wait, but back.
	So no one can give an example of where women don't have the same rights as men, but that's why you think we should, or that's why you wouldn't date a man who doesn't identify as a feminist.
	But you can't give one example of where women and men aren't equal, except for women getting paid less in sports, but you just admitted it's because they get less views.
	Yeah, but I also don't think just because they get less views should that mean they should get paid less.
	You know what I mean?
	So you think that they bring in less?
	Almost more championships than men sometimes.
	You're saying specifically in the context of USA teams competing on the international stage, like female teams perform better than male teams, so they should make more money even though they bring in less sponsorships, viewerships, and promotional deals?
	Yes.
	How is that financially feasible?
	So fairly is just because they're women doing the same thing.
	It has nothing to do with the economics or finances of running a business.
	Just for the sake of gender equality, we should just give women more money because they're women.
	So I think what you're arguing is for equity and not equality because women have equality.
	Women have the opportunity to play sports, but what you're saying is you want the equity to be the same as the equity within a man's or a male sport.
	And financially, economically, unfortunately, the world just doesn't work like that.
	And that's why it is the way it is.
	Also, to extrapolate that men and women are not equal.
	And the one anecdotal example that you sort of debunked and gave was like a niche issue of women's sports.
	Is there anything that maybe affects more than like the maybe collective thousand, ten thousand women in the United States who are professional athletes?
	So I'm just asking this curious.
	I just, I mean this genuinely.
	Like I know it's the normal thing to say you're a feminist, right?
	Like if you don't say it, maybe you get pushed back on a college campus or just sort of like the normal thing to do.
	I feel like most women probably say, oh yeah, I'm a feminist because that means men and women are equal.
	But it sounds like you don't really have like a very well thought out explanation as to why you identify as one.
	So like where do you think that programming comes from?
	Or why do you identify?
	I guess I would say I'm a feminism just because I just think like girls should support like other girls and just like whatever their endeavors may be in life.
	That's my answer.
	So it's not that men and women are unequal in society?
	No.
	Well I mean I do think that they are unequal biologically yes.
	I think they're unequal because there's more.
	So if they're unequal biologically, isn't that why there's a pay disparity, right?
	Because people would rather watch male sports because male athletes typically even at like a college level can outperform some of the most elite female athletes.
	High school.
	High school, middle school.
	Again, sports, I think, is a niche example, but, like, what's, I mean, anyone on the panel who said they're a feminist, can you give me one way that men and women aren't equal in today's society?
	Isn't there a...
	Don't say pay gap.
	Don't say wage gap.
	I was just going to say that, yes.
	So go ahead, enlighten us.
	So that number that you're quoting is they took the average of all the wages that men who are basically employees or work aren't just, you know, doing a hobby at home, little small business.
	Men, women didn't time control any variables for time, education, salary, time spent in the job, what the job is, and they just averaged it.
	They didn't control for anything.
	Now, I'm no fan of sociological studies, and frankly, this is why, because they don't control for a lot of variables.
	But they averaged it, and then they said, well, women make 73 cents on a dollar, but if you actually adjust for a lot of those variables and some of the more recent studies they've done, they've actually found that the pay gap diminishes virtually to zero.
	And in a lot of urban areas, women actually tend to outperform men.
	And frankly, if you get into the whole entire DEI push in most of corporate America, I think you could even start to say that underqualified women and other forms of minorities, women aren't a minority, are overpaid in terms of their credentials and qualifications for a job.
	But the pay gap just does not exist at all.
	And I would ask you this: if you guys think the wage gap exists, if Brian could hire the two of us and get away with paying me 75% less, why wouldn't he do that?
	And why wouldn't the entire workforce be basically all female?
	Like, there's this great loophole that corporate America has that you just like get to save 25% on expenses if you hire women.
	True.
	So, wait, so does the wage gap exist?
	I just think you're brainwashed.
	You think I'm brainwashed?
	You just said you're a feminist, and you can't even give me one way to explain why you are.
	Feminism is all I have to say.
	I just think you're brainwashed.
	Hey, feminism to me means that I feel empowered, okay?
	Like, I just feel like I feel like women should be able to exercise their independence.
	That's, I mean, there's a lot of.
	How can you not exercise your independence in today's society?
	I just feel like that there's a lot of social norms that I don't know if I'm best explaining this, but I mean, I think that there is a lot of expectations for women to behave a certain way.
	And I think like pushing out of those norms or those cultural norms is there not expectations for men to behave a certain way too?
	Yes, there are.
	Absolutely.
	But when I say that I'm a feminist, I mean like I feel like females are empowered.
	That's what that means to me.
	But implied in that, I feel like, is that there are societal forces that are stripping you away of your empowerment.
	So I guess what I'm saying is wage gap aside, how are you not empowered?
	I would almost argue it's easier to start a business in America as a woman.
	You have preferential treatment when it comes to loans, preferential hiring processes, literally just because you're a woman, women are the majority of college graduates.
	I mean, life, being a woman, I feel like in some ways kind of life on easy mode if you play into the corporate structure.
	So how are you not?
	I mean, they literally have empowerment programs that they don't allow men, let alone straight white men in.
	So there's literally a multi-billion dollar corporate push to empower women.
	So how are you not empowered?
	I'm just saying like I am a proponent of feeling empowered.
	I'm a proponent of female empowerment too.
	People say my boss is a misogynist and he is a female co-host, but I think female empowerment doesn't come from pretending that there are issues in society saying that we're unequal to men.
	And I think if you guys all consider, you know, you think I'm brainwashed, you can think that, but you also espouse an ideology that you can't even give me literally one example why you actually believe it, let alone define it.
	But you just slap that label on because that's what mainstream society has told you to believe.
	So I think you're actually the one who's brainwashed.
	I'm brainwashed.
	Girl, you are so based.
	Thank you.
	Do you want to actually aside from just insulting her?
	Do you want to actually present an argument for why you think she's brainwashed?
	I'm just listening to everything she's saying and I'm getting the knowledge in.
	And I just do you want to raise actual objections or do you want to just insult her?
	I think I don't think I should bring it up on this podcast.
	You can bring it up on your own.
	It's just too deep and personal.
	It's related to feminism.
	Yeah.
	It's too deep and personal.
	Okay.
	I'm still waiting for one example.
	Can I say something?
	Actually, yeah, go ahead.
	Then I have a couple questions.
	I was going to say, you seem to be really updated on recent studies that show there may not be a wage gap.
	But there's always outlying situations.
	Like, I have experience being paid less than my male co-workers, even though we're working the same position.
	Well, you're lucky that you live in a country where there's codified legislation that would allow you to sue and get your rightful money.
	I know, but I'm just saying I have experience.
	Can we dive deep a little deeper into that?
	What was the job?
	I worked at a boba and cheese shop in high school.
	And you guys both started at the exact same time?
	No, I started before.
	You started before?
	A couple weeks before, same position, and he was being paid $2 more an hour than me.
	Did he have more education?
	No.
	I had the same experience.
	Was the job, there was no difference in the job title?
	No.
	Did you ask your boss why the discrepancy?
	No, I did not.
	Is it possible that he negotiated his salary and you didn't?
	No.
	They just gave it to him?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	100%.
	They do that.
	And it was, you said it was a boba shop?
	Yeah.
	Was the boss a male or a female?
	It's a female.
	Okay.
	Oh, well.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	So one other question.
	Was there any expectation of lifting anything heavy?
	No.
	There was no requirement to lift.
	I mean, if there's a lot of boba, maybe.
	She could probably lift it.
	I don't know.
	I mean, it's a bit anecdotal.
	And we can lift it up.
	I don't know if that specific example is evidence of.
	I'm just kidding.
	But did you ask for a promotion?
	Did you ask to get paid more or paid equivalently?
	No, I didn't ask.
	And that right there is the other reason why I think in some ways the wage gap exists because men and women are different in asking for raises.
	I agree.
	And I've also experienced differences in pay.
	When I was in sales and tech sales, I was being paid like a third of what my male counterparts were being paid, but I did advocate for myself and I kept getting raises because of that.
	But they're arguing.
	You're getting paid one-third.
	Base salary.
	So if they were making, if you were making $100,000, they were making $300,000?
	I wasn't making $100,000 at the time.
	I was special in a college.
	Exactly.
	But yes, they were making, some of them were making $3,000.
	So if you're making $50,000, they were making $150K?
	Is my math right there?
	Yeah.
	A third?
	Yeah, that's a good example.
	Is it a commission job?
	Sales?
	Isn't that often commission-based?
	Salary and commission.
	But that was the thing.
	So they're total compensation or plus commission?
	They're getting- Salary plus commission.
	So your OG would be different off rip technically because of your different salaries.
	Were you selling the same products?
	Yeah, but because I did well in my sales, I mean, I was good.
	But I would argue, like, yeah, in certain scenarios, that does happen, but in mine, it was because also I had less experience, even though I was a top performer.
	So I had to step away for a bit.
	I know you were going around the table asking if everyone's, who's a feminist?
	Did we get all the way around the table on that?
	Everyone about to answer?
	Yeah.
	And then somehow the wage gap came up, and I heard something about sports.
	So is it the case?
	Was it the women's sports should be paid the same as men's sports?
	Is that?
	Yeah, but obviously I understand like the women don't get as many views.
	I'm just saying it sucks because they are like they perform, they do the same things as men.
	Like they're working hard every single day.
	They bring home championships.
	I think like it does suck that people don't watch women's sports enough.
	But who's I mean?
	Does it depend on the sport?
	Are there some women's sports that get more views than men?
	It depends, but Bender the offender donated $100.
	Women being equal in the eyes of the law is a good thing.
	It's whenever equality in terms of physicality and mentality becomes a jack of all trades, but master of none type scenario.
	Do you have the same issue though that say most like female OnlyFans creators get paid more than men?
	They're hypothetically putting in the same work.
	No, I think that they should.
	If they're putting in the same work, like, yeah, they should.
	But how do you handyman donated $100?
	Brixon, thanks for everything you do to teach young women the ways.
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	I will say I am not well educated with economics and everything.
	I'm just that's too sensitive to that.
	And I'm not attacking you guys.
	Obviously, I do this for a living, so it's slightly different.
	But I actually don't really do the cultural stuff.
	Like I said, my wheelhouse really is the China stuff.
	I just like to think I'm an impartial observer.
	But it's just interesting to me because, like, does it not weird you out to some extent that you're like, I'm a feminist.
	Like, you have such this ingrained thing to be like, women need to be treated equal.
	I need empowerment.
	Like, society is not fair.
	You know, it's not equal.
	But then when you've never actually thought about it, like, you sort of reverse engineered your thought process.
	In other words, you started with the culmination instead of actually doing the debate and digging into it, right?
	You guys have all told me, like, oh, well, you're so much more well-researched than I am on this issue.
	I'm really not, like I said, I don't do the cultural stuff, but I just, don't you feel weird, like, having an opinion that you haven't done the research on, and it's just an opinion that you have because corporations put out commercials making it normalized to be a feminist and that's yeah, I would agree with that, I guess.
	But I also experienced it like kind of her, so like I know the bad parts of it, and I did ask for a raise.
	I cried to my manager I worked there.
	Was your manager a male or it was a female okay, but so if the issue is not being empowered and you think it's patriarchy, the two of you just told me the one anecdotal example the the one anecdotal example we can get of an alleged pay gap was at the hands of a woman.
	Well, how is it men keeping you down?
	No no, no.
	You never said men were keeping me down.
	Just really quick, just so I I, because I was gone who said they were a feminist, just show of hands.
	I said moderately.
	I also said moderately, no yeah you yes okay, got it.
	Let me read this chat really quick.
	We'll come back to it.
	Uh actually Natalie, could you read it?
	Example of female empowerment.
	How about, while serving 12 years in the U.S ARMY, females would purposely get pregnant to avoid deployments or get out of doing work or go home early because of cramps?
	There's only feminism in a free country provided by men.
	Joker, deuce ACE.
	Thank you, man.
	Appreciate your super chat actually.
	Let me kind of uh piggyback off this a little bit uh question.
	So what do you think about demands for equal equal pay in physically demanding jobs such as firefighter, police officer laborer, soldier?
	Like, do you think, for example, women in the military firefighters, police officers, laborers let's remove laborers do you think that they there should be equal pay in those circumstances?
	Didn't she say, there's equal pay?
	Well there no, there is, yeah.
	Do you?
	Do you think there should be, though?
	I'm saying yeah, okay.
	So, for example, the physical requirements though, to become a firefighter or police officer soldier, you know, there's like a physical test there's.
	There's not just one standard, there's the male standard and the female standard, and the physical requirements that women need to achieve are far lower than for their male counterparts, Given that these are physically laborious jobs, do you?
	It sounds like to me, equal pay for unequal work.
	Because if there's a bigger physical if there's a bigger physical burden on men in these jobs, wouldn't it stand to reason that they ought to be paid more?
	I think everybody could put the same amount of work in technically.
	And if men are sorry, go ahead.
	Go ahead.
	I don't.
	Maybe I'm misunderstanding, and I think I'm going to go off on a different day.
	Well, okay, let's say...
	That's all I have to say for right now.
	I think some of the hardest jobs are military, firefighters, laborers, police officers, and there's a reason why it's prominently men, and there's a reason why they get paid royally for it.
	Exactly.
	It's because the majority of women could not do it.
	Okay, let's say, for example, it's just if the physical, if we acknowledge that these jobs are physically demanding and might require you to, for example, restrain a criminal or rescue somebody from a burning building.
	Do you really, if you're incapable of performing that duty, but for the sake of like wokeness and putting people in this these positions where people's lives potentially need to be saved, where's the argument for it being justified to give someone equal pay?
	Pardon me.
	Huh?
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	I mean, I meant it more in a general sense.
	Oh, it's just like I've seen these videos, for example, of, and look, I think there's space for women to be involved in firefighting, being police officers, soldiers, depending on what.
	But I've seen these videos of, for example, there's like two or three female police officers trying to restrain a male.
	And they're just incapable of doing it.
	Like, they cannot physically, like with force, restrain the male.
	Whereas if it was like, I don't know why you're laughing, but if it was just one man or two males, they would have been capable of restraining this individual.
	But we're talking about payment, so we're saying the three women police officers should be paid less because they're less capable, is what you're saying.
	I mean, if part of your job involves dealing with criminals, and if we care about, here's another component of this.
	If a woman is incapable of physically restraining a man, she's going to be much quicker to use lethal force than a man will.
	So there's some considerations there because if she can't physically restrain him, okay, she's going to have to go through what there's a specific terminology for it.
	She's going to have to go through like the escalation of there's a specific term.
	Killer of donated $100.
	Spatio-temporal events in M versus F Sports, Movement Speed, Thrust Power, Throwing Distances Act.
	This is why women paid less, less ticket sales.
	They only work as hard as they are biologically able.
	Word.
	I don't know.
	It just occurs to me.
	It's like, you know, if you got to pay four people to do the job of what two people could do.
	Yeah.
	I think, sorry.
	I was going to say, I think for the sake of diversity, our society is being more inclusive.
	And I think that could be dangerous for many reasons.
	It puts the officers, firefighters, whatever female, whichever profession it is, it puts them at risk.
	I think that ultimately it's up to the employer to gauge what is necessary in terms of what their physical capabilities are when contributing to the workforce.
	If you're getting on a plane, I was going to say, uh-oh.
	You're getting on a plane, okay?
	Would you rather have the pilot be just like a dude, ex-military, super qualified, got the job?
	You could argue, probably in spite of being a white dude.
	Or would you rather have someone who came up through the ranks of like the diversity, equity, and inclusion program?
	She's a woman, but she only got in there so the company could be like, look at our ESG score.
	It's freaking awesome.
	We have female pilots, but you get to be with a female pilot.
	Who would you rather fly with?
	Well, the guy, because he's more qualified.
	Yeah.
	I'm not attached to money like everybody else here, I guess.
	I don't care.
	If the woman was just as qualified as the guy, then it wouldn't matter.
	I think I do it, but I think I missed the difference between the two.
	Wait, Nick, private chat really quick.
	I'm sorry.
	Someone coming from an ex-manager.
	Qualified guy unqualified or someone that's the DEI ranks.
	Yeah.
	Got the job because they added to that percentage.
	Which, like, I think if they have the qualification regardless.
	I mean, and commercial, I mean, commercial is pretty, like, standard.
	I mean, think about it.
	I mean, look at that.
	But I know.
	I know, I know.
	I'm just saying the company that was running the bridge in Maryland has a lot of money.
	It's a good argument, bro.
	It's a good argument.
	I'm just, I think.
	I think if they got the qualifications either way, though, I mean, yeah, obviously, I think everyone would go with like ex-military.
	You were doing this for 30 years.
	Like, you know what you're doing.
	So you guys, so you said that, right?
	You said you'd rather go with a qualified guy.
	So shouldn't people like that be paid more then?
	In the sense that it's what customers prefer?
	You'd rather go with people who have more experience as opposed to just some figurehead diversity.
	Oh, it's a woman.
	Because when push comes to shove.
	Well, if like she had the training and the qualifications for it, then yeah, she should be paid equally as that person.
	But if not, then yeah, no.
	Yeah, but the whole purpose of all these like affirmative action and DEI style hiring programs is that you're lowering the standards to invite people in who don't have the same qualifications.
	We're going to shift gears here a little bit.
	Let me read that chat that just came up.
	Then, Nick, I'm going to have you pull that up in a sec.
	Percy Ocles.
	If Bree were a police officer, I'd let her restrain me.
	Do you want to respond to that, Brie?
	Oops, my bad.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	I work out hard to be able to do that.
	All right.
	Hold on.
	There's a TTS that's just about to come through.
	Guys, like the video.
	Take this opportunity to like the video, please.
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	Oh, did I read this one already?
	Yeah.
	I did.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Nick, can you go ahead and pull up that image I sent you?
	This is a comic.
	Can you make a smaller?
	Wait a minute.
	I'm only getting 77% as many carrots as you're getting.
	Okay, I don't think they get it.
	No, we get it.
	No, we get it.
	We get it.
	So to read the things, different career choices.
	So men make different career choices, work more overtime.
	They have more workplace deaths, more workplace injuries, fewer days off, less comfortable working conditions.
	Do you guys agree that men and women make different choices when it comes to the careers they go into?
	Well, I mean, obviously, nobody should all make the same amount.
	I think I'm just saying for the same job, when you have the same qualifications, you should make the same sales.
	But they do.
	I never argued against that.
	Oh, okay.
	I never said that.
	Yeah, there's laws against it.
	And I think it's all a puppet show.
	Thank you for your contribution.
	That was really helpful.
	Thank you.
	That really added a lot.
	Yeah.
	That was great.
	Thank you.
	But I'm brainwashed.
	Watch out.
	She's going to cast a spell on you.
	She's going to cast a spell.
	Wait, it's okay.
	We were talking about feminism.
	Hold on.
	I have a couple questions.
	So who said they were feminists?
	You, you, and you?
	And then you were talking, you were also a feminist?
	Yeah, model.
	Okay.
	So I think the problem is the definition is different for everybody.
	Right.
	It's changed too over time.
	Oh, and last thing on this.
	Wait, so was your position that women athletes should be paid the same as male athletes?
	Was that kind of your position?
	Yes, but I understand like sales and ticketing and like stuff like that.
	A lot of people don't watch women sports.
	Well, you understand that.
	That sucks.
	Well, why does it, why do, but why does that suck?
	Because I think that they deserve like more recognition with the sports that they do and like all the hard work they do.
	Well, nobody deserves, I don't think anybody deserves recognition.
	You earn recognition.
	I know, but I feel like that's a good thing.
	And that's precisely why they don't deserve to be paid more money.
	You earn more money.
	Okay.
	That's where we disagree.
	What's that?
	I don't think it was that deep.
	Yeah.
	I was just saying in general, it just kind of sucks.
	Does it, though?
	I mean, that's just the market.
	I'm done talking about it.
	I think she just named an example earlier, and I don't think she's.
	Do you think transgender men should be allowed to compete in women's sports?
	Absolutely not.
	No, no, because biologically, no, because no.
	No.
	I've actually played volleyball, a game of college volleyball against a transgendered person, and it was very, very obvious that they were at the advantage.
	Interesting.
	Okay.
	Really quick on the feminism thing.
	So feminism, what I missed this part if you guys defined it.
	How do you define being a feminist?
	What does that mean to you?
	Honestly, I wanted to say I wasn't a feminist.
	That's why I was shaking my head and doing this.
	Do we convert you?
	No, you didn't convert me.
	I just, I know how it be.
	She knows how it be.
	I know the top levels on the feminism shit.
	So, yeah.
	So you are not a feminist?
	I'm saying no for no.
	Okay.
	We changed her mind.
	I think you changed her mind, Madeline.
	You said no for her.
	Yeah, she said yes.
	She said no in the chat.
	So you three are the remaining feminists.
	I was saying yes.
	You three are the remaining feminists.
	So what, so what, what exactly is feminism fighting for?
	What does it mean to be a feminist?
	Oh, it starts with me.
	Yeah, we'll start with you.
	For me, it's more general and more about, I think there's just a lot of things in society, and that's not anyone's fault, really.
	It's just kind of how things have been.
	And I think it's more just about changing the norms and just women supporting each other and men supporting women and appreciating women.
	Do you think men don't appreciate women?
	I think some don't.
	Some don't?
	I'm not saying no.
	Well, what about women?
	Do you think?
	I think some women don't appreciate women.
	Well, what about women not appreciating men?
	I think women should appreciate men too.
	And I think that's also part of feminism.
	Is it?
	Wait, part of feminism is women appreciating men?
	I think as much as they appreciate women, I see equality before.
	Do you think that's because historically women have been less appreciated than men?
	I mean, yes, but also.
	But who's gone and fought in the battles and their lives have basically been discarded and killed in every world war?
	I'm not saying that men should be less appreciated or that women should be appreciated more than men, but I think we have an equal part in society and sometimes that looks different than it does for men, but I don't think it makes it less important at all.
	So what, I mean, what is feminism trying to achieve?
	I guess it's not equality.
	I think I don't totally know for sure, and I think my definition of it has changed over the years, and I'm really open to thinking differently about it.
	Well, so what about you?
	Into the mic?
	Oh, I agree with what Taylor said.
	What did she say?
	Oh, God, you're going to have to make me reiterate.
	What do you agree with?
	Okay.
	Well, pretty much everything that she said, but also like just in general, for feminism, for me, and obviously I still have so much more to learn.
	Like, I don't know, like, a lot.
	But I would just say, like, women, like, supporting women, like, she basically said.
	Just that.
	That's it?
	Supporting women?
	Yeah, just like on all your endeavors and everything.
	That's how I feel.
	That's okay.
	What about you?
	Your sense of what feminism is?
	I feel the same way as supporting women?
	Yeah, women supporting women also, just like the women can be independent, that they can do their own thing.
	The idea that, not so much the political parts of it, but like, yeah.
	Well, so, I mean, one definition I've heard is feminism is something that fights for women's rights.
	Would you agree with that?
	Would you agree with that?
	And just curious, since you guys go to UCSB, have you guys taken any like feminist studies, gender studies classes at UCSB?
	I have.
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	Female models make significantly more than male models.
	Is that fair?
	The cognitive dissonance is next level.
	Yeah, see, I don't think it sucks that male models don't make as much money as female models.
	I just think that that's the way it is.
	And I accept it.
	Yeah, like you brought up OnlyFans earlier.
	Like, it's way easier for a girl to make money on OnlyFans than a guy.
	And I'll say that.
	I don't know any type of way.
	Do we tax the women on OnlyFans and distribute redistribute the wealth of the female OF creators to the men on the platform?
	I think that's good.
	I mean, I never thought of it.
	I think that's pretty.
	I think that's pretty.
	No, I know that's what you're saying.
	I actually completely agree with what you said earlier.
	I don't think you were here.
	But you were talking about female and male roles in society.
	What do you guys mean, though, by women supporting women?
	Like, isn't that kind of, what does that really mean?
	Doesn't that imply that there's some thing inherently that's making it women need to be supported to overcome a girl's girl?
	But then why is that feminism?
	Isn't that just like what they're trying to define for them?
	I don't know.
	I think naturally, like society and misogyny.
	And like, I'm not going to get super into that.
	There's so many ways to explain that.
	But it kind of can put women against each other sometimes.
	Isn't that more a result of female nature?
	I have a question.
	I think it's the result of a lot of things.
	You just said misogyny.
	How do you define misogyny?
	I think it is, to me, it's kind of favoring men in male.
	Can you give an example of it?
	Wait, can you, just to be precise, what's your definition of misogyny?
	My definition, I think I might, that's why I kind of corrected myself when I used it because maybe it's like I'm using it more loosely.
	I'm using it in a way where like you favor a man maybe even before yourself and what's best for you.
	And like that's how I feel.
	So an example of that is maybe like I'd be more likely to agree with you than another woman in kind of like not even disagreeing with me on that.
	So that's my example.
	I wouldn't do that.
	Oh, okay.
	But that's probably for other reasons.
	But I just.
	Wait, so it would be misogynistic for a woman to agree with a man over?
	No, I'm just saying if it went against how I feel.
	Like if you said something that kind of went against, but I want to be agreeable and I want to be like someone that is that like an internalized female.
	Women are naturally more agreeable.
	I think submissive, but maybe naturally agree.
	Patriarchy wins again.
	Usually the woman is more like traditionally submissive.
	Based?
	Based and red-pilled?
	I don't get it.
	I don't know the reference.
	Okay, don't worry about it.
	Wait, so okay.
	What's your definition?
	Oh, I think we got.
	Oh, okay.
	I was trying to bring it back to so like one of the things I've heard about feminism is it's it's fighting for women's rights.
	Would you guys agree with that?
	You agree with that?
	Do you think there are women's rights we still need to fight for today?
	I think the right to choose what we do, like as far as abortion, reproductive rights.
	We can get into that, but is there because I'm always curious because they say women's rights, and I'm curious, well, what rights precisely are feminists fighting for aside from that one?
	That's the one that I'm most passionate about.
	Well, are there others that you are less passionate about?
	I'm just saying I haven't done research and I can't think of something right now that I could.
	Anybody else?
	This is open to any of the girls who said they were feminists.
	You, you?
	Well, mine's the same thing.
	Intimate.
	Mine stands on the same thing, abortion.
	Just that.
	Okay.
	Yeah, I think that's where I stand the strongest.
	But is there any, because I like that.
	Me personally, I can't think of any right that the man has that the woman doesn't.
	Well, didn't feminism.
	I don't know the timeline here, but it started when we didn't have as many rights.
	And so we still have feminism, even though we've gotten all those rights.
	But I'm talking modern day right now.
	I'm talking modern day.
	That's the modern day issue, I think, is the biggest issue, and I can't think of it right now.
	No.
	Wait, the modern day.
	No, she's saying the modern day issue right now is like abortion.
	No, but I'm saying is in the modern day right now, is there any right that men have that women don't?
	No.
	Not that I can think of, no.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	So the primary thing is the abortion topic.
	Although it's not clear to me if that's really a gendered discrepancy insofar as men have no reproductive rights at all.
	So you could actually make an argument when it comes to if we're talking about equality, you could actually make the argument that equality would be entirely walking back women's rights entirely to have an abortion.
	That would actually be equality.
	Because men don't have, and I'm not advocating that they should, men don't have an abortion right.
	Men don't have, men don't even have what's called legal paternal surrender, where whether the woman wants to keep the child or not, let's say she does, a man can't say, well, I'm not financially ready.
	I don't want to be, I don't want to be a father.
	I don't want to be responsible.
	I don't want parental responsibility.
	I don't want any financial responsibility.
	So men have no reproductive rights.
	So it occurs to me in terms of women's rights, men's rights, equality, if we wanted equality, we would just entirely walk back women's right to an abortion.
	Yeah, but it's not the same.
	And I get what you're saying.
	Right, but it's not evidence of a right that men have that women don't.
	I just don't think it's really comparable.
	But earlier, I used the word equality, and I think Brie said it's more equity, because it's like men and women can be different in a lot of different ways.
	And I think it's not meaning literally we should all have the same things or the same.
	But that's what she thinks.
	Even though there's different views, they should get paid the same.
	I think we've already been over that.
	You changed your mind about it.
	Established that I changed my mind about that.
	I wasn't really, when I talk about feminism, I'm not really talking as much.
	Of course, I care about abortion rights.
	But for me, it's more of a general sense of equity.
	Yeah, and I think Brian's point is mainly that equality in terms of abortion would mean that no one would have a choice because men don't have a choice as is, and women do currently.
	And so equality and abortion would be no one gets a choice.
	That's what his point is.
	But equality isn't the right word.
	I would even go as far to say that feminism compounded with the sexual revolution, giving women the freedom, not just through birth control, but through abortion technologies and stuff like that, has actually done significantly more harm to women and has set women in some ways back.
	And I think if you look at the statistics on female happiness and how content we are in society, the fact that, what is it, like 60% of girls in our age group are on SSRIs, you know, I think you can sort of start to maybe think if all this progress that we've made in the name of empowerment, which I think is sort of a fleeting thing that I think is sort of nebulous and hard to define to begin with, but also, you know, is feeling empowered on false pretense is all that great, right?
	Not really.
	If you get a job that you don't deserve and you can't perform, it doesn't really matter.
	Or maybe you have the same qualifications, but yeah, you only gotten to Harvard Business School because you're a woman or because you're some special minority.
	But I think the feminist movement, I know you didn't ask me to define it.
	I'll give a definition if you want.
	But I think that it has actually been counterproductive in women empowering women because I don't think women sleeping around, which they can now do because of birth control, and thinking that they have very masculine sexuality where they can be empowered by having casual sex with a bunch of dudes because now they can is necessarily being a girl's girl and is great for female mental health and physical health.
	I agree.
	Okay.
	Well, last, maybe one or two last things on the feminism topic.
	Maybe you guys heard these in your feminist classes that you guys took.
	Do we currently live in a patriarchy?
	And we'll go around the table for everybody on this.
	Go ahead.
	No.
	Surprising answer, but okay.
	No.
	Yes.
	I think yes.
	I also think yes.
	I would say no.
	I think so, yes.
	Yeah, yes.
	No, but maybe we should.
	Okay.
	Wait, so.
	I love that idea.
	So wait, yes, yes, yes, no, yes, yes, no, but we should.
	I'll have Natalie answer that in just a sec.
	So Bender the Offender donated $100.
	Keep in mind that Kentucky now allows women to seek child support from a man even if the child isn't born yet.
	W. W Kentucky.
	We actually, we can maybe.
	Thank you, Bender the Offender.
	I think that's crazy.
	I'm not in favor of that.
	But hold on, wait.
	Sorry, where was it?
	Under patriarchy, those of you who said, yes, we're in a patriarchy, are women oppressed?
	No.
	Into the mic.
	No.
	Maybe.
	Well, no, no, no.
	Maybe how.
	Maybe how.
	I don't want to talk about it.
	I'm so tired.
	You got this.
	No, I really don't.
	I'm tired.
	I don't know.
	It's not stuff I want to talk about on here, honestly.
	So I can just say no if that makes you feel better.
	No, no, no.
	I just want the truth.
	I don't want you to give me the answer that I want.
	I just want the truth.
	It's hard to speak the truth.
	Are women oppressed in the patriarchy?
	Well, you said there's a patriarchy.
	You said we currently live in the patriarchy.
	Under said patriarchy, are women oppressed?
	Are oppressed, but some women.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	And I'm speaking, let's just make it simple here in the United States.
	That's what I'm speaking about.
	I'm done with my turn.
	Well, no, are some women?
	For now.
	Just a little break.
	I just need a little break.
	Well, just engage.
	It's.
	I need a snack break.
	I really need a snack.
	Stop.
	Don't indulge them.
	Go ahead.
	Women don't like to work the long hours.
	No, I'm kidding.
	Do you want to just answer the question so I can.
	I did answer.
	I don't want to explain.
	That's not an answer.
	I'm going to ask everybody else why.
	I started with her, or I think I started with her.
	We all said yes or no.
	What?
	Like, didn't we just say like a yes or no answer?
	I think she you gave an answer.
	Yeah, I said no.
	You said no.
	And she said maybe.
	I don't know.
	I'm thinking.
	I have to think about it.
	I don't have an answer right now.
	But you said we do live in a patriarchy.
	I'll say no.
	No?
	Okay.
	Who else said we're in a patriarchy?
	I think you two.
	Are women oppressed under the patriarchy?
	No, I don't think so.
	Okay.
	No.
	Okay.
	I skipped over you.
	You come back to you.
	That's not what I meant.
	I'll just say no.
	She'll just say no.
	Wait, would you like him to define the patriarchy?
	Would that help you better formulate your answer?
	I don't think that's where my problem is.
	I think I just.
	I'm not sure how I feel, honestly.
	You're not sure.
	I'm not sure how I feel about it.
	Are you oppressed?
	Okay.
	Well, maybe something I don't mean.
	Under patriarchy, are men oppressors?
	Are men oppressors?
	Are men oppressors under patriarchy?
	I don't think so.
	So we're starting there now.
	Okay.
	I'm just confused on this.
	I just don't.
	I want to be left in just like a minute.
	You've never heard the oppressed-oppressor dynamic?
	Let's just let her think.
	Can you define patriarchy so that everyone has the same idea of what you think it is?
	Or sorry?
	Well, I don't believe in the patriarchy, so it's not really my job to define it.
	If you assert something exists, the duty falls on you to define it.
	I'll try and make it easy for her.
	Otherwise, I'll just defer to Hitchens razor.
	That which is asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
	Boom.
	Lawyer.
	Anything?
	Crickets.
	Anything?
	Under patriarchy, are men oppressors?
	Are you oppressed?
	How about that?
	Are you oppressed?
	No.
	But I already answered that.
	The patriarchy has beaten them down and they can't even give an answer.
	Okay.
	Interesting.
	Well, I mean, my sense of feminism, I'll say this.
	Feminism is not an equality movement.
	I'll be charitable here.
	And I'll say at its best, it's a women's advocacy movement.
	I don't think there's anything necessarily wrong with women's advocacy, but it's definitely not an equality movement.
	I don't know if you guys want to challenge me on that, but there's clear evidence that feminists don't actually care about equality.
	You care about securing benefits for women.
	That's, again, not necessarily anything wrong with that, but don't call yourself an equality movement if you don't actually seek true equality.
	I actually agree with you on that.
	Yeah, it's an advocacy movement.
	Based in Red Pilled.
	Do you want to engage at all?
	Do you agree with my definition?
	I think so.
	You think so?
	It's not really a straight answer.
	You're a feminist, right?
	You said you were feminist.
	I said no, like three times.
	Oh, you did?
	Yeah.
	Oh, it was her that was a feminist.
	Do you agree with my definition of it?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	That was helpful.
	Thank you guys for engaging.
	The engagement was very thoughtful.
	I'm going to read a couple chats here.
	Are we going to get Natalie's?
	I want to hear that.
	Let me have her read it, and then we'll get to Natalie's.
	The feminist ideals are largely political in nature.
	The left side of the political spectrum needs to push the false notion of feminism to maintain a voter base.
	They create fictitious problem only to sell you a solution for perpetual control.
	Yo, Emacs Tactical, appreciate your super chat.
	Thank you.
	We have this one.
	Why is it feminists can't even explain their position?
	As Grid One would say, how can the patriarchy help you today?
	Yeah, where's grid one?
	You know, I haven't seen him.
	Yo, Sean, thank you, man.
	Really appreciate it.
	Wait, did you show the orange one, Nick?
	Oh, you did?
	Okay.
	Sean, appreciate it.
	Do the feminists at the table want to answer it?
	Why can't you explain your position?
	I feel like I already explained my position earlier.
	Oh.
	Okay.
	I thought we already said that.
	I feel like the majority of women on this panel, at least, I mean, and correct me if I'm wrong, but I feel like these women have been claimed to be feminists because they're more girls, girls, and they want to advocate for women to be for women and not against women and to be more agreeable with women.
	And it's less the true feminist movement and more of how we engage with one another.
	Correct me if I'm wrong.
	I don't know.
	I don't think I can agree with that.
	When you guys are considering who you're voting for, what's like the primary issue that drives you?
	The puppet show.
	Is it abortion?
	Yes.
	That is a driving force for me.
	Yeah, I would agree.
	I think abortion is a driving force.
	So just to piggyback off that super chat, isn't it kind of interesting that, again, maybe for you, I know for a lot of women, young women that I speak to, like the driving impetus, deciding who you vote for is an issue that we're just kind of walking through right now as a feminist cause, as you defined, but no offense, you guys can't even really define feminism or misogyny.
	And there's gray area.
	I'm not using you guys specifically.
	But doesn't it make you, like I was saying before, sort of think how it's weird how there's these like isms and ideologies that are so strongly implanted in your brain, but you haven't really even done the work to come to that conclusion yet.
	It manifests in the form of you voting in a political way.
	Does she just say manifest?
	Do you believe in manifestation?
	Shut up, dude.
	Go ahead, Natalie.
	But that used, you know, I would assume you're maybe probably Democrats, or you vote for politicians, not solely, but strongly because of what they do with abortion.
	And when my side says that they use abortion as an issue to turn out the female vote, does it not make you think, like, oh, isn't it interesting that I'm so passionate about this issue that I actually haven't done any research on?
	Well, with the abortion topic that we're speaking of, I have done research on it.
	So I think that's what helps me.
	But especially with that topic, I'm saying, like, I think women have the right to choose, and I think that should just be that.
	Like, if you don't want to get an abortion, great.
	But shouldn't we make legislative decisions based off of the majority?
	And if you're going to, I'm not saying you are going to argue this, but a lot of people that are pro-choice argue that abortion is absolutely necessary in every state because so many women are getting raped and getting pregnant, and that's why we primarily need abortions.
	Would you agree?
	Yes.
	What would you, how would you feel if I told you that less than 1% of all abortions are from rape?
	Use essay.
	Sorry.
	How would you feel if I told you that less than 1% of women who experience that are the minority?
	Less than 1%.
	Because we have to make decisions for the majority.
	Okay, let me think really quick.
	I don't think we should make decisions for the majority.
	Yeah, well, I mean, thank you for that contribution.
	That was wonderful.
	I have so much more to learn with it.
	And I've just recently started voting.
	I look at it in a way of like what is going to benefit me and others later.
	And like mostly me.
	Yeah, I don't know.
	I don't really have anything else to kind of say about that.
	Well, I think everyone has the right to get an abortion no matter how they got pregnant.
	Is that because it's your body and there's now another body inside of your body?
	That's why you feel inclined to take a life that is inside of you?
	I can't.
	Just because it happens to be inside of you?
	Not because it's another body inside of yours?
	That's not how I look at it, I guess.
	So would you make the argument that this fetus is simply a clump of cells until it's delivered?
	I mean, personally, like, I don't think like, oh, everyone should just get abortions.
	I think it's definitely like for emergency situations.
	And I don't think it's that simple either.
	I value life always.
	But I do think there's like a line there.
	So let me pose this question.
	So outside of medical emergencies declared by doctors, medical professionals, and the less than 1% of people that are in a horrible situation for the people that are simply just irresponsible with their protection with sexual intercourse, how do you feel about those people getting abortions?
	Oh, hold on.
	We'll come back to that topic here in just a sec.
	Hey, stay safe.
	Thank you for the big raid, dude.
	Yo, I hope you had a great stream, man.
	Hold on, let me talk about this.
	Nick, you're going to lower the audio just a bit.
	Stay safe.
	Phase three, season of discovery, coming out.
	It's going to be a great time.
	I really appreciate the raid, man.
	Thank you so much.
	Stay safe as he's ready.
	He's on Twitch.
	He's been on the show a couple times before.
	I have a World of Warcraft-related question for the ladies.
	FYI, by the way, guys, we do have a live mage here in the show.
	She's a mage.
	She's a witch, but trust me, she's a mage.
	Or a warlock.
	We're talking about you, right?
	You cast spells and shit.
	Scuffed split, by the way.
	Right?
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	So, ladies, going around the table.
	Would you date?
	Would you date a guy who plays World of Warcraft like just a casual seven hours a day?
	Hell yeah.
	I'm a streamer.
	I stream with him.
	Okay, what about you?
	Seven hours is kind of a lot.
	But he's a pumper.
	Like, he's not just like a casual.
	Like, he's got multiple level 60s.
	He's a pumper.
	He's in Molten Core, BWL, AQ-40, Nax.
	Nax, what's up?
	What does that mean?
	What does that mean?
	You don't know about Nax?
	No.
	It's okay.
	He's just like, and, you know, Warcraft vlogs, like, he's parsing like 99%iles, like pink parses.
	Okay.
	Pink parses, World of Warcraft vlogs.
	Or Warcraft vlogs, excuse me.
	No, because he should be using that time with me.
	With you?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Does it change anything if he's like the main tank of his guild?
	Like if he's like DPS, he's kind of reflected.
	Although that is like the main tank.
	So hot, I'm gonna have to go.
	It's hot that he's the MT main tanker.
	Oh, yeah.
	Yeah.
	Because like he's been funneled.
	Like this is, he's been funneled all the loot up until this point.
	So he's like the main tank.
	Oh.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, so it's like he has to play.
	It's so hot, but I'm going to have to go with him.
	Okay, what about you?
	I don't games.
	I don't know what any of that meant, to be honest.
	He plays seven hours a day.
	He's a pumper raider.
	Sounds like fries.
	Is he working also?
	He's got Gressel and the, oh, what's the offhand from KT?
	Well, like, okay, my question is, is he working like outside of that?
	Yeah, he's working on his raid.
	He's the guild leader, too.
	You're trolling me.
	No, I'm not trolling.
	No, that's his job.
	He's a Twitch streamer.
	He's a streamer.
	He's a streamer.
	And he makes money doing that.
	Yeah, but he spends like 12 hours a day.
	You change it from 7 hours.
	He's got like spreadsheets.
	Here's who's going to ZG this week.
	And he's like doing groups.
	Here's like, and they're like split raiding, right?
	So there's like, because they're trying to get all the loot from like Nax and shit.
	Yeah, I still don't know.
	And like BWL.
	Like they get a lot of money.
	But if that is what he likes doing and he makes it.
	I get this, right?
	Dude, they've been in BWL for six months and there hasn't been one like Drake Fang talisman that's dropped.
	It's like totally scuffed.
	Like the loot tables are garbage.
	Like whoever's seeding the fucking loot in that, in the raids is like, I don't know what's going on.
	If you stream that and you don't know what you're doing, a lot of guys will like it and they'll join and try to help you.
	But like dog shit seeds for the raids.
	Okay, so I'll reiterate again since you went off on that little tangent.
	I don't know what any of that means.
	Like Netherians.
	What is it?
	Yo, Stay Safe.
	What is it from Netherian's tier?
	Wait, fuck.
	Oh my God, I can't believe I'm blanking on the final boss of BWL.
	I think I'm doing it.
	Does anyone other than you do?
	Any of you?
	I mean, you stream, so like, does anyone know what you're talking about?
	Look, would you date a guy who plays like 14 hours a day World of Warcraft?
	You still didn't get my hands up to 14 hours a day.
	What about you?
	It went from six hours.
	Would you?
	14 hours a day.
	Does he make money stream?
	Yeah, he makes money.
	He makes a decent living?
	Yeah.
	Okay, then yeah.
	Okay.
	That's not how the question started.
	What about you?
	Yeah, that wasn't how the question started.
	He never got my brain.
	His name, his name's Ampy.
	Oh, okay.
	Ampy.
	I think I might have to change my answer then.
	No, that's his, that's his, he's a warrior.
	And he's like, he's pretty, like, dude, this guy's a fucking, he's, no, guy, Guys, listen, he's a great tank.
	He's a great tank.
	He's a great raid leader.
	Okay.
	Are you guys DTF?
	Does this question?
	I mean, is it his sole profession?
	Does this fun for you?
	Or is it a hobby?
	That was fun.
	Is it his job or a hobby?
	Would you date a game?
	Interested in this 12, 14 hours a day.
	I mean, my baby daddy was a Dungeon and Dragons Dungeon Master.
	Whatever that means.
	I don't know what it means.
	Yo, Stay Safe.
	Oh, wait, Nick, really quick.
	Pull up the Twitch.
	Guys, if you're joining us from Stay Safe, if you can, Stay Safe.
	Thank you so much for the raid.
	Guys, drop us a follow.
	Don't worry about it.
	I lost the game.
	Relax.
	Shaman.
	Guys, if you're new from Stay Safe's channel, please drop us a follow.
	I spend the entire dating talk basically asking the girls World of Warcraft-related questions.
	So if you're from, drop us a follow.
	If you have a Prime Sump available, drop us a little prime in the chat.
	Last World of Warcraft question, guys.
	Are you guys excited for Season of Discovery Phase 3?
	Absolutely.
	Yep.
	100%.
	Woohoo!
	Yeah.
	Sweet.
	Are you guys excited for what else is coming out?
	Is it mythology type of beat?
	Like the game?
	Do you guys play Horde or Alliance, though?
	Do you guys like Hoarder Alliance?
	I've never heard of it.
	Have you guys done like Plunderstorm at all?
	Like, are these like VRs?
	But I'm asking, is there mythology?
	Like, do you play behind this?
	Do you play Plunderstorm?
	Do you like my mythology behind this?
	I've been watching a bit of Plunderstorm and it seems kind of cool.
	So there's no mythology behind these games.
	Mythology?
	Yeah.
	Bro, what are you smoking, son?
	Mythology?
	I was just asking.
	You were just asking?
	Don't look at me that way.
	Stop with the what's wrong?
	Are you getting nervous?
	No.
	Okay, moving on.
	Stay safe.
	Thank you for the raid, man.
	Much appreciated.
	If you're over there on Twitch, drop us a follow if you can.
	Thank you, guys.
	Appreciate it.
	Wait, where were we?
	I forgot.
	You guys were talking about.
	I didn't forget.
	I know exactly where we were.
	Yeah.
	God damn.
	Okay, making it heavy for Stay Safe's audience here.
	Maybe, should we?
	We'll come back to that.
	Let's come back to that.
	Let me read a couple chats.
	Girls, please give Fave carnal position.
	Okay, favorite carnal position: cowgirl, doggy, mission, buzz, light on, off, subdom.
	Who do the work?
	It's natural to be under man control, and boom, boom, boom.
	Apply you, same logic across your lives.
	Okay, favorite position.
	I like getting on top.
	Kind of based, okay.
	I think I'll skip this question.
	Oh, come on.
	Come on.
	We're all adults here.
	You've had carnal knowledge of a man.
	You don't want to say your favorite?
	You want to go back to the getting grilled on feminism?
	Are you sure?
	I don't know.
	You just said I was a softball.
	I never said I was a feminist.
	I wasn't good.
	Okay, well, no, I know, but your friends were.
	That's fun.
	You could save them.
	You don't want to talk about feminism?
	You don't want to take about sexual positions?
	Okay, what about you?
	Missionary, because I like eye contact.
	Girl, I was going to say that.
	I agree.
	Same.
	I also agree, missionary.
	There's other.
	Okay, anyways, what about you?
	We both just agreed.
	You miss it all.
	Huh?
	I may have to agree with that.
	I also said what she said.
	And then she said whatever.
	We all agree.
	Missionary.
	You guys are missionary.
	Okay.
	I like being spooned.
	Oh, that's a good one.
	Okay, what about you?
	Same, same.
	I like missionary because I like eye contact.
	Okay.
	I just prefer not to say.
	Okay.
	You sure?
	You guys want to?
	Okay, all right.
	Okay.
	I'll say my favorite position: girl on top.
	Oh, W. That's why I made them so nervous.
	Yes.
	Are you envisioning it?
	I'm going to lose my mind in here.
	There's other considerations.
	Okay.
	All right.
	I kind of like to do the work, though.
	Like, girl on top of I would do the work.
	You can do, yeah, you can do the work.
	Relax, bro.
	Relax, Nathan.
	I'm not hanging with you.
	Calm down.
	Relax.
	I wasn't.
	Last show.
	Wait, what?
	What?
	Go ahead.
	What?
	What were you going to say?
	Nothing.
	Okay, thank you, Naomi.
	That was great.
	We have E the Prophet.
	Q for Brian.
	Do you consider yourself modern, traditional, or somewhere in the middle?
	If in the middle, would you consider changing the cue on your form for the girls to sliding scale instead of binary?
	Okay, yeah.
	So on the girls' messages, message us requesting to be on the show.
	We ask if they're feminist or traditional.
	Sure, I guess.
	I could change it.
	As far as what I consider myself, I'm somewhere in the middle.
	I'm not staunchly traditional, but I also am not totally 100% degen.
	So I'd say I'm somewhat in the middle.
	Bender the offender.
	Ladies, who's to blame for the unrealistic beauty standards for women?
	Women.
	For women.
	Women conforming.
	Wait, let's start.
	Actually, we can start with.
	No, let's start over here.
	We'll go influencers and celebrities.
	Your thoughts?
	Who's to blame?
	Is it men?
	Is it the patriarchy?
	Oh, and social media.
	Sorry.
	Are men to blame?
	Is the patriarchy to blame?
	Who's to blame?
	Women.
	Oh.
	I think a little bit of both.
	Yeah, actually, I agree with you.
	Everyone is to blame.
	Everyone, including us.
	Everyone's to blame with any thoughts.
	I would say a little bit of both.
	A little bit of both.
	A little bit of both, okay?
	I think Photoshop and filters and the exaggeratedness of everything on social media, nobody looks like how they actually look in real life.
	And I think it gives this false representation for especially young girls on what they should look like versus what people actually look like.
	She's right.
	I come from the beauty industry.
	I'm a licensed esthetician.
	I was in the beauty industry for 10 years.
	And one of the main reasons why I got out of it was just because my ideals and my values no longer aligned with the beauty industry.
	Especially after having my daughter.
	Your thoughts?
	I think women are to blame for adhering to the male gaze.
	It's all your fault.
	Oh my God.
	Ditto and Cosmetics Company.
	Yeah, I don't know.
	I mean, I think there's certain biological things.
	Like, I don't think we can deny that, generally speaking, men like women with large butts and big boobs generally.
	So women could be sort of like, for example, with like BBLs and breast implants.
	Women could be trying to achieve that sort of ideal body that men find attractive.
	But I don't know if it's men to blame for that necessarily.
	And also, as a natural body supremacist, I have a strong preference for no plastic surgery.
	I give me.
	Okay.
	Oh, okay.
	All right.
	Scott donated $100.
	These modern-day women have more rights than ever before in taking the life of the innocent how they choose to act upon this privilege.
	It's absolutely disgusting.
	Big W to the two ladies next to Brian.
	Thank you, Scott, for your TTS.
	I very much appreciate your message.
	And let me just finish my point, though, on this.
	So I would, when it comes to plastic surgery, I'd prefer a girl with an A-cup, even flat over fake tits.
	I'll prefer little belly over lipo, small ass over BBL, small upper lip over lip fillers, and a giant labia instead of labia plasty, which you got, which is like the most just dagger in the heart of my heart's over there.
	It's like soul crushing.
	I sound like I fit that description.
	So everything, I was like, I was like, it sounds like he's describing me.
	They literally called me out with like a cup bimbo.
	Wait, why did you laugh?
	No, you like looked down at your.
	I just put on my sweater.
	Oh, okay, okay.
	I don't know why you, okay.
	Does anyone here have plastic surgery?
	No.
	Well, you have the.
	What do you have?
	Labioplasty?
	Yeah.
	Anything else?
	Lips?
	No, just my lips and Botox.
	Tonsils.
	Not exactly.
	I got those.
	Gotcha, eggs.
	Plastic surgery?
	No.
	Plastic surgery?
	Plastic surgery?
	Plastic surgery.
	Lip filler?
	Lip filler is not plastic surgery, but I do have a lip filler.
	I wanted to be a plastic surgeon.
	Plastic surgery is going under the knife.
	Assess that kinesthesia.
	Is it under the purview of cosmetic surgery?
	But it's not procedural.
	Cosmetic procedure.
	Well, it's any cosmetic procedures then.
	Injection.
	Yes, lip filler.
	That's it.
	Madly?
	No.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	See, I'm a feminist in that regard.
	I'm a feminist.
	I'm so against plastic surgery, cosmetic procedures, I guess.
	You feel me?
	Yeah, mostly.
	Well, I'm just against our the U.S.'s hospital and stuff.
	I like Western medicine more because the U.S. likes to treat symptoms.
	What?
	Do you mean Eastern medicine?
	I mean, sorry, yet the U.S. treats symptoms and Western doesn't.
	Stop it.
	Get some help.
	Thank you.
	I need it.
	Yeah, my point exactly.
	Oh, stay safe.
	I don't know if you're still in the chat, but.
	He's a brave and a decent man.
	He's a pioneer.
	Thank you.
	Stay safe.
	Appreciate the ring.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	I think we should ban plastic surgery.
	How about that?
	Yes.
	Is that a radical position?
	Yeah, that's a little wild.
	I don't know about being plastic.
	I think we would have less 12-year-olds looking like 18-year-olds.
	Yeah.
	I don't know if you're not.
	Well, I mean, if I never told you I got a labioplasty, there's no way any of you would know.
	It's a thing for like myself that I got while I was celibate.
	I wouldn't know.
	How would you know?
	I would know.
	I just wouldn't know.
	I don't know how I would know, but I would not.
	I would know.
	Is that a dare, Brian?
	Wait, what?
	No.
	Now, I'll say this: if you're dating a guy and he's pressuring you to get plastic, that's a red, major red flag for the ladies.
	I would strongly advise you should probably break up with him.
	If you got A cups and he's like, babe, let me buy you some titties.
	How would you, well, I'm curious, how would you react?
	Buy.
	Would you be like a fucking sister?
	Find a bitch with fuck you.
	Find a bitch that you want.
	What about you?
	If your boyfriend or whatever, I'll take some titties.
	Oh, no.
	No.
	Don't do it.
	I'm not advocating for them.
	I'm happy with myself, but I'll take some titties.
	You'll take titties?
	I'll take some titties.
	If the titties are free, you'll take the titties.
	If the titties are free, I'm taking the titties.
	She takes free titties.
	I would as well, but like, not because he's rubbing the bus.
	I'm disappointed.
	I'm sorry.
	I'm not mad.
	I'm just disappointed.
	Like, I do want titties, but it's not because anyone's like asking me to or pressuring me to.
	I just want them.
	So if my boyfriend was like, I think you should get boobs, I'd be like, the fuck.
	But if I'm like, I want boobs, can you pay for them?
	I think that's fair.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	I don't really get the question.
	Like, would I take the boop further?
	Like, if a guy wanted to get you.
	And it could be like, if a guy wanted to change something about you.
	Like, he wanted to get you a BBL or lip filler or something like that.
	It'd be kind of weird, right?
	Yeah, I would also probably say no.
	It's almost like.
	Oh, sorry, go ahead.
	Oh, that's a hell no for me.
	It's like that guy who waves the big red flag running around.
	Yeah, immediate red flag.
	Yeah, no.
	No.
	Can I make a prediction, though?
	Sure.
	Okay.
	I think that they have gone out of their way to normalize men being feminine in a host of ways, particularly like wearing dresses and wearing skirts.
	I think in the near future, you are going to start seeing the normalization of plastic surgery for men.
	And not like in the way that some men get it, but I think like lip fillers is more likely to be a little bit more expensive.
	It's more common in East, especially in Asia.
	I think it's going to be.
	Think about it.
	Sephora?
	You go to Sephora and you just see like dudes everywhere on the walls.
	I think it's already a thing.
	It's just more subtle.
	It's like definitely a thing already that men don't think of.
	It's very popular in Asia.
	Men wearing makeup base concealer.
	Well, that's their culture.
	Failed societies.
	But that's their culture.
	You just hate makeup in general, though.
	It's not just like for that specifically.
	You hate when women wear makeup.
	Journey life.
	Can you read this one?
	Some of you said you seek a traditional man that will pay, give an allowance, etc.
	So I'm puzzled.
	I'm not religious at all, but the three that agreed to wait elevated your attractiveness to 20.
	Forget looks.
	I'll stick with you for life.
	Good values for kids.
	Do I have to convert?
	So what?
	To Christianity?
	Is that what he's talking about?
	Wait, who here wants like a traditional dynamic with a guy?
	Show of hands on this?
	You say traditional.
	Traditional dynamic.
	Chivalry.
	He pays for dates.
	And that's it.
	That's it.
	That's the only two.
	I mean, those sound good.
	Sound good.
	I don't know if you can.
	Opens the cards or be nice.
	Well, you can be nice and not traditional, I suppose.
	I know.
	So that's how I feel.
	Wait, so who should, how about this?
	Who should pay on the who do you think should pay on the first date, starting with you?
	My answer is going to be stupid.
	You could just answer the question.
	Just say the stupid thing.
	Okay.
	And then we'll move on.
	I think both of us could pay.
	We could go half and half.
	I don't think that's stupid.
	Thank you for.
	Whoever initiates the date should pay.
	Whoever initiates the date should pay.
	Okay.
	I think that can be the case once you're in a relationship, but I think on the first date a male should pay.
	Would you prefer the guy to pay for the first date?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	I think that's natural for like any animal kingdom type thing.
	Let me frame it like this for you.
	Because you said whoever asked should pay, which sort of glances over the fact that in 95, 99% of situations, men are asking women out on dates, not the reverse.
	If a guy asked you out on a date and on the date, he was like, hey, the waiter comes by and he says, hey, two bills, please.
	Would you feel a certain type of way about that?
	I would.
	Would there not be a second date?
	It would be negative.
	It depends how good the date is.
	Maybe he's down bad.
	Maybe he's real down bad.
	And then you're asking you on a date.
	That is true.
	Maybe you shouldn't invite someone on a date if you can't pay for them.
	Oh, he can pay, but he wants to split.
	Oh, okay.
	I don't know about that.
	That would give the wrong impression.
	You're not trying to court them.
	Why does that give that impression?
	What do you mean?
	You're trying to win over the surface of the business.
	You could still have a romantic interest in somebody and want to split the bill.
	Yeah, but why are you asking a girl on a date?
	If you're expecting her to pay.
	What do you mean?
	Like I said, once you get into a relationship, right?
	Whoever initiates it, then I'm like, okay, if I ask you to specifically go somewhere, I'll pay for it.
	Nickelodeon donated $100.
	Brian, please put this miserable witch out of her misery and throw a glass of water in her face.
	For real.
	Best case scenario.
	It cleans the spunk out of her eyes.
	Do it, do it.
	No, I'm not going to throw water on any of my guests.
	But thank you, man.
	I appreciate the sentiment, I guess.
	Thank you.
	Thank you, Nickelodeon.
	Appreciate it.
	Nickelodeon.
	Go ahead.
	Go ahead.
	I have an interesting thing.
	So I was on a podcast a couple weeks ago, Access Vegas with Michael Sartain and Rolo.
	Yeah.
	Red Pill people, too.
	And they asked all the guys in the room if they'd ever initiated a date without the intention of having sex.
	None of them raise their hands.
	And then they asked all the women if they've ever gone on a date without the intention of having sex, and all of them raise their hands.
	But then the thing I want to get your opinion on is I think it's fair if a man has the intention of wanting to have sex with a woman because he ultimately finds her attractive and like that's right part of that and it's okay.
	But I think also on a woman's perspective, it's not necessarily a bad thing because you could be giving someone a chance that you may not have otherwise to get to know them.
	What are your thoughts?
	You mean if the woman goes on a date with a guy who she has not yet determined if she wants to have sex with him?
	But so is that the question is, is that fair or good or gives her an opportunity to have a secret?
	Yeah, what's your thoughts on it in general?
	If that was a good idea.
	I don't object.
	I don't object to it.
	If you haven't made a determination whether you want to have sex with this person or not, and you go, I don't think there's anything wrong with that.
	Okay.
	You can go.
	I don't think women are obliged to go.
	The only scenario where you can go on a date with a man is if you want to have sex with him.
	I don't think that that has to be the case.
	I think you should have a genuine romantic interest and not just be going on the date because you're bored or want a free meal.
	I'm not saying all women do that, but some do.
	So.
	Okay.
	Yeah, I just want to.
	What were they arguing that the woman has to want to fuck the guy?
	That's crazy.
	Well, just saying, like, of course a man wants to have sex with a woman.
	I'm like, yeah, I agree with you.
	Of course, a man would want to have sex with a woman that he's spending his resources on.
	Right.
	But that's what I agree.
	Like, a man should pay for the first time.
	I mean, I would agree that most men, if they're wanting to go on a date with you, they've probably already made a determination that you're attractive enough to have sex with.
	Although I've had situations where I've gone on a date with a girl, wanted to have sex with her, and she kind of talked herself out of that shit.
	I'm like, ooh, I don't really like you anymore.
	So there's that.
	And I differ from some guys.
	Like, some guys are like, yo, I'm still going to hit, but she's a fucking terrible person.
	I'm like, nah, I'm just, I just can't do it.
	I need to like the girl a little bit.
	Thanks, babe.
	Appreciate it.
	A little banter here, just a little banter.
	Jeez, okay.
	I just, I wasn't sure if you were talking to me, but you were looking right at me, so I was like.
	Oh, my God.
	Are we having a moment?
	Don't overthink it.
	I'm blushing.
	Don't overthink it.
	Wait, we're going around the table.
	Oh, who should pay?
	I would prefer if he paid.
	Prefer if the guy pays?
	I think whoever initiated it should pay.
	But more often than not, who initiates?
	Men.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	I think you split down the middle.
	My girl.
	Okay.
	I totally agree.
	I think it's split down the middle, at least for the first couple dates.
	And if he's insistent that he pay, then I'll usually always offer to tip or get dessert.
	And once I'm in a relationship with somebody, I like to do the you pay, I pay, you pay, I pay.
	Okay, what about you?
	I'm a traditional woman, so I expect a man to step into his masculinity and be the provider because I'll be feminine and submissive.
	Sure.
	Dinner dates are overrated by a guy.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	See, okay, one follow-up question, then I'll give my take on this.
	Would you, when you get, if you get married, when you get married, would you take the guy's last name?
	Yes.
	Depends on if it's a cool last name.
	Well, hold on.
	But hold on.
	Traditional gender roles, such as men paying for the first date, traditional gender roles would seem to dictate that you should take the man's last name in the case of marriage.
	They do.
	What if he has a shitty last name?
	Doesn't matter.
	Doesn't matter.
	You take it anyways.
	But okay, I'll go around the table.
	Yeah, I would take my husband's last name.
	Would you take your husband's last name?
	I mean, I guess I can't say that yet, but I wouldn't be opposed to it.
	Wouldn't be opposed.
	But hold no, no, no.
	It's not just that.
	If you want traditional treatment, I never said I wanted it.
	You said you want the guy to pay for the first date?
	Huh?
	I get to pick and choose.
	What do you mean, pick and choose?
	Like, equality, the buffet.
	It's a buffet.
	You get to pick and choose the thing that benefits you and those that.
	Okay.
	That's my answer.
	But you actually admitted to you want to pick and choose the things that benefit you when it comes to traditional gender roles?
	I mean, I'm probably going to take his last name, but I just haven't thought about it till right now.
	So I can't confidently.
	And I also really like my last name.
	Okay, so that seems like it would be a begrudging.
	I would have to think of it.
	Let's say he has a bad last name.
	How bad?
	Give me an example.
	Yeah, give a bad name.
	I think I'd like it, maybe.
	Finkel.
	Oh, my God.
	I kind of like that role.
	Taylor Finkel.
	I can see it.
	Taylor Finkel, everybody.
	Pop up.
	Mrs. Finkel.
	I don't know.
	I don't think that's that bad.
	I think that's a pretty good one.
	Corn donger.
	That's even better.
	Corn donger.
	I don't care about the last name.
	I would take it.
	Just to make things easier.
	But to me, that's not like a.
	I don't think I'm like giving up a part of myself.
	But that's how traditional.
	Falker.
	I gave you a point.
	I love that.
	Falker.
	Great movie.
	That kind of sounds sick to me.
	I might change it now.
	Oh, my God.
	To me, I just don't care.
	I don't think it's that big of a deal.
	Wait, so you said that you want to pick and choose.
	I was kind of kidding, but to start this conversation, are you traditional or not?
	And I said, like, what is traditional?
	Like, I have some that are traditional and some that aren't.
	Would you take your husband's last name?
	I would, like, add it to mine.
	You'd hydrate?
	I'd hydrate it, yeah.
	But you want a guy to pay for the first date?
	I said whoever initiated the first date would pay.
	Do you frequently initiate first dates?
	Yes, I have.
	You have, but more often than not.
	I have multiple times, actually.
	And do you pay or do you split?
	Yeah, if I'm taking them out, I ask them on a date.
	I'm going to pay for them.
	First date, not boyfriend, not guy you're seeing first date.
	Con cap on this.
	Okay, whatever.
	I can actually be here on the testimony if you can test it for me.
	Okay.
	Whatever.
	Okay, what about you?
	Well, you said it should be split, right?
	Yes.
	Yeah, okay.
	But I would take on his last name.
	Actually, here's my position.
	I want the girl to want to split, but I'll just pay for it.
	Well, yeah, you always say, oh, I'll split it.
	And then they're supposed to be.
	Yeah, I hate it.
	The first one, no, the first one, no.
	I actually, no, let me duck.
	Let me go.
	I hate guys who just talk.
	Let me just go even.
	That's great.
	I'll go even further.
	I want the girl to want to pay for everything, but I'll pay.
	Actually, you know what?
	What if she makes more money than you?
	I want her to simp.
	And actually, I'll just let her pay.
	I'll just let her pay.
	She can simply.
	That's like the most based thing ever.
	What was your question?
	If she makes more money than you, she said you want to marry a girl that's I would be willing to marry a woman who makes more money.
	Makes more money than you, but you pay for everything.
	She wants to pay for everything.
	Wait, what's the question?
	He wants her to really want to.
	No, no, no.
	That's what I'm saying.
	If a girl made more than you and she wanted, she went to reach for the bill every time, but you paid anyway.
	Would you still pay if she made more money than you?
	Or like.
	No, I'd let her pay.
	Really?
	Yeah, she can pay for everything.
	I still want to lead, though.
	What's your sign?
	What's your sign?
	I know that's stupid, but what is that?
	Kind of is.
	What's your sign?
	I'm a Taurus.
	Okay, I'll tell you after the show.
	What the fuck?
	Why can't you say it during the show?
	I don't want to say it during the show.
	Oh, you don't want them to know?
	Yeah, I don't want any witches out there to fucking cast some capital.
	No one's going to know everything from your son's sign.
	I don't know, bro.
	I've talked to some fucking witches, bro.
	You don't know.
	You haven't seen the things I've seen.
	When do you read that?
	When's your red thing?
	Anyways, moving on.
	Moving on.
	Yeah, most of the time I'll just pay.
	I'll pay.
	But it's kind of dope if she's such a simp that she wants to pay.
	That's kind of dope.
	That's a good dynamic.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Cool.
	Good talk.
	Hold on.
	We got some more notes here.
	Wait, you didn't finish.
	Oh, sorry.
	Sorry.
	My bad.
	I took my husband's last name and I was really stoked to take his last name because I really liked it.
	Good for you.
	Yes, I'd gladly take my husband's last name.
	Of course.
	There you have it, folks.
	There you have it.
	There's this.
	We had this girl on the show who she made this joke.
	She went viral, actually.
	And maybe, Nick, you can pull it up.
	It was the girl who did a TikTok and she was about paying for the first date.
	It was the one that Chase was on.
	Do you remember what I'm talking about, Nick?
	She was like, oh, that's funny.
	Like, if a guy ever offered on a date to split the bill, she would be like, oh, that's funny.
	I didn't know that we were, that this was like a friend date.
	It was just friends.
	It was a TikTok.
	And then she came on the show.
	We had her on the show.
	Is that the girl that said, oh my god, I'm so embarrassed?
	I don't know, but let me finish my thing.
	Okay.
	Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, that one.
	Oh, I'm so embarrassed.
	Actually, play it, and then I'll do the explanation.
	Explanation.
	Do you have it?
	No, I'm looking for it.
	What do I look up?
	Girls, it's like maybe Google search.
	There was a New York Post article.
	New York Post, girls' reaction to men paying for not paying for the date, I think.
	That might find it.
	Fuck, what was her name?
	While you're doing that, I'm going to read some chats here.
	Maybe not.
	Wait, we did this one.
	Brian, do you game?
	If so, what are your games and what is your console?
	I used to play video games.
	I don't play anymore.
	I haven't played any video games since like April 2020.
	Yeah.
	I used to play video games, used to play World of Warcraft.
	Just I'm too busy.
	It takes up way too much.
	Because I'm not like the type of guy when it comes to video games where I can like play for an hour.
	I'm like an addict.
	You're talking about yourself early on.
	I'm an addict with that shit.
	14 hours a day.
	If I'm going to play a video game, I'm going to play that shit all day.
	So I have to just prevent myself from playing it all otherwise.
	Yeah.
	Are you good?
	I'm pretty.
	I'll see you.
	Do you struggle?
	Like, I played Hearthstone.
	I hit Legend, World of Warcraft.
	You know, I was in the top rating guild for like you could like stream and like make money from it though, or no?
	I wouldn't do it.
	I don't want to do that, but Tori, I appreciate it.
	Get addicted again.
	I don't know if it's an addictive personality question mark.
	I actually don't think I have an addictive personality, but with video games, it's hard to, like, with World of Warcraft, it's hard to play for just an hour.
	Like, you want to keep playing that shit all fucking day.
	So, you found it?
	Yes, go ahead.
	Oh, yeah, I've seen those.
	When a man wants to go 50-50 with you on a date, do this.
	Oh, my God.
	I'm so embarrassed right now.
	I am that.
	Wait, you wanted to just be friends?
	Oh.
	Was that an ad or something?
	Yeah, I'm going to pull it up in the New York Post.
	There's more to it, though.
	Yeah, if you're able to play the rest.
	Just let the ad play on mute, and then we'll let me see if there was any chats here.
	Nope, no chats there.
	Guys, go to chat TV/slash/whatever.
	Oh, there it is.
	Okay, go ahead.
	Hopefully.
	Wait, what?
	Oh, sorry.
	Oh, just let it play.
	Let it play.
	Let it play.
	Let's see if there's.
	Oh, it wasn't an ad.
	It was just New Year Forced.
	Okay.
	It's lame that they won't let the whole thing play, but whatever.
	You get the idea.
	So she's like, oh, you want to split?
	Oh, you wanted to be friends?
	And then she came on the show, and then we asked somehow the question of would you take your husband's last name come up?
	And she was like, well, no, I like my last name.
	I wouldn't take his last name.
	And then Chase, who was my, who was one of the male guests on the show, he said, oh, I didn't know you just wanted to be friends.
	You don't want to take my last name?
	That's cute.
	Touche.
	Lawyer.
	Or I don't know what the how to turntables.
	How the turntables.
	Okay.
	What?
	What's up?
	What do you want to say, Naomi?
	Say it.
	Say it.
	I'm good.
	It was just funny.
	Okay.
	Cool.
	Thank you for sharing, Naomi.
	That was great.
	Oh, Natalie, you wanted to talk about princess treatment.
	What you got for us?
	Oh, yes.
	I think the term in and of itself is hypocritical because all women don't deserve princess treatment because they are not princesses.
	The inherent part of that is that you have a certain status.
	You're born into something.
	So you get treated a certain way out of factors that you can't control.
	And I think a lot of women show up to relationships just looking at what guys can do for them.
	And they don't necessarily deserve the traditional relationship dynamic.
	But I think also there's just a weird trend of very weird social media dating advice for women, I think, that makes you think like it's all great to value yourself, but like being a high-value woman and how you date is a high-value woman.
	And it's just sort of, I don't know, maybe I get weird Instagram ads.
	But yeah, I just, I don't think, I don't agree with that term.
	Yeah, you get what you get.
	Your ads are based on your like, like your search history and what you see on your phone, by the way.
	I didn't know that.
	I think a lot of these people calling themselves queens, kings.
	I think it's kind of cringe.
	It's very difficult.
	Like even pokemon.
	What's that?
	It's very entitled behavior.
	Yeah, oh, I'm a queen.
	I want princess treatment.
	At best, I can offer you court gesture treatment.
	That's the best I can do.
	Otherwise, you're going to get peasant treatment.
	Surf.
	I'll give you surf treatment.
	You're a surf.
	Goes back to, I think, the inflated sense of self, which I guess is maybe sort of the hypergamous nature of women.
	But if you view yourself not as a literal princess but like as deserving of that, I just think you're showing up to relationships looking for what you can get out of someone, and nine times out of ten women then like, reject the traditional female role in a relationship.
	I'm not gonna cook, I'm not gonna clean, and it's like, well, what?
	What are you bringing to the table?
	So basically, what you're saying is that women should immediately, as soon as you meet a guy, do his laundry.
	i'm not saying that necessarily i just think that's what i'm saying Women show up sometimes, I think, with a delusional sense of self in relationships.
	And they just want men to like do everything.
	Yeah, and they don't reciprocate.
	And if you were to ask them to do your laundry, they would literally be like, what the heck?
	This guy is from the 17th century.
	He's so backwards.
	It's like, well, not really.
	But I think that is also kind of female nature.
	I feel that.
	I don't really like the term bring to the table either because, like in a relationship, I feel like you should be like building together and get to that point where, like you, do submit to your man because I do that naturally in relationships, even though I'm non-traditional like I do want traditional relationship.
	I've always been in traditional relationships, so you, you want a traditional relationship.
	Yeah Brian, we went on.
	That's a hard sale.
	That's a hard sell, I think so.
	You were in sales though, so give me your hard pitch.
	Not to.
	She was making a third, though no, I'm kidding, I wasn't at the end, but when I first started right out of college.
	But like, do you?
	Okay there's, there's videos of.
	I mean, you said you've done BG content right, so there's videos of you out on the internet having sex with other men on camera.
	I mean, maybe we got different definitions of what traditional is, but I feel like that's not the most traditional.
	And do you think traditional men want videos of their girlfriend or wife having sex with another man out there on the internet?
	Do you think that could be a sticking point for some men?
	For sure it's not the pool that I will be dating in though, in terms of people that are not okay with what I do.
	So, but it doesn't.
	It doesn't really reek of being traditional, but you really want a traditional relationship, dynamic and well, actually to almost make your make an argument for you.
	I think the sad state of affairs is you might actually, you've probably got a good chance of actually getting it.
	Yeah, I do now.
	Now here's, but here's my argument, though I think, because there's a lot of simps out there and a lot of men who will bend over backwards for the ladies.
	I don't know if you deserve it, but you're gonna get it anyways.
	That's your opinion, which I kind of appreciate, and that's totally okay.
	I respect that.
	I respect her opinion too.
	On you both said, like I don't deserve it.
	Yeah, y'all said that.
	But regarding I think she's gonna get it, she's gonna get it anyways because, like no, she will, she will, men will thank you because, like there's a lot of cope, like I do think there's a lot of cope where guys are like oh she, she did OF, like her, her prospects are forever ruined, and it's like you do close the doors on some guys, but like there will be a, there will be a guy and we don't know if he's secretly a cuck or feeder or whatever he might be.
	Watch out, you might get her treatment.
	I'm king friendly, so it's okay.
	He's gonna fatten you up you net.
	You won't know, though he's gonna get you fuck.
	I mean your metabolism's good, I hope.
	Yeah, he's still gonna try, though let's say I eat a lot.
	He's gonna inject lard into the cookies.
	Here, babe, here's a cookie.
	Hey, I'm traditional.
	I would be baking.
	I'm actually a good baker.
	You're gonna be traditional.
	I'm gonna be Nera Smith one day.
	You're gonna be who?
	Nera Smith.
	You know, this is like the weirdest intuition I have with you, but like when I look at you.
	Oh my god, hold on.
	Sorry.
	Jack underscore Playades underscore.
	Chavanti donated $100.
	Men are not afforded, but if they were, the list would be top three.
	Disney royalty references.
	The phrase and affirmation of get your bag.
	Girl and celibate labia plasty.
	Self-involved madness.
	Girl and celibate self-involved madness.
	Jack Playstation get your bag right.
	Shavante.
	Well, we're not a match.
	That's okay.
	It's all good.
	What were you saying about that?
	This is like the most fringe intuition.
	I feel like you would have like a you would have one season of a reality show on AE.
	Okay.
	But that would be it.
	Just one season?
	Like a reality show, like an offshoot, like a total C-tier offshoot of the Kardashians.
	Okay.
	I don't know if that's a compliment or an insult, but that's the intuition I have.
	If she did, would you watch it?
	Well, no, I wouldn't.
	I think you would, baby.
	Yeah, I think you would.
	You came up with this in your own head.
	Basically, you're thinking about it.
	This was entirely like a thought of yours.
	I don't know.
	I didn't come up with that.
	Yeah, that was.
	I think, honestly, though, like, there's a lot more to me, and I know you guys don't know me, right?
	There's a lot more to me.
	I don't have to defend myself, but like, there's a lot more to me than like.
	I don't think I was attacking you.
	I don't think I'm.
	I'm just like OnlyFans itself.
	So I think we would actually get along.
	I mean, we do get along really well, Brian.
	But we get along outside of the game and when we're not debating things.
	I'm just confused why.
	What?
	Wait, what?
	Okay.
	Wait, okay.
	Let's.
	I want you to.
	Like, I'm a good person at the end of the day.
	Yeah, I do.
	Only.
	I don't know.
	I'm not saying you're not.
	I just, I don't know you that well.
	That's what I said.
	That's how I started the statement.
	Like, sometimes I look at you and I'm like, is this the Antichrist?
	Sorry, what?
	Ryan.
	I don't know.
	I get this like demon energy from you.
	I get some demon vibes, bro.
	I'm clipping that.
	I'm clipping that.
	Like, there's something in your eyes.
	I'm like.
	Hey, you drawn in or what?
	No, I'm kind of scared, dude.
	I'm terrified, bro.
	There's something evil.
	I'm kidding.
	Maybe it's me.
	But am I?
	But I'm kind of.
	I'm just kidding.
	But I'm serious.
	Let me come back on.
	Maybe it's so.
	I don't think, like, I don't think you mean that, actually.
	Sometimes you must confront evil and shine the light upon it.
	All that which is exposed to the light itself becomes light.
	Okay, so I'll see you same time next month.
	Are you flirting?
	We're down to dying.
	No, I'm just flirting.
	Yeah, what do you say?
	It's giving flirting.
	I'm not flirting.
	I just called her evil and the antichrist.
	We don't have voices.
	We know voice words.
	You're like, I don't know.
	We're having an E-Day.
	I'm sorry, guys.
	We have these once in a while.
	No.
	I mean, it is 67 hours to be fair.
	I'm flirting.
	I called her evil.
	That's really sweet, though.
	You can find better ways.
	I know I don't understand why.
	I'm not trying to flirt.
	You're not trying to, but you want to.
	I just made an ass.
	Here, I'll make intuitions about all of you.
	That would be fair.
	Oh, gosh.
	Go ahead.
	All right.
	I'll lord hail Jesus before you start.
	Do you want a word?
	We're going to live an interesting life.
	Thank you.
	I don't know if that's a compliment.
	It is.
	That's my intuition speaking.
	Wait, you're speaking out of intuition.
	I just realized that.
	And you just.
	Yeah, I'm manifesting right now.
	No, that's not manifesting reality.
	That's not manifestation.
	You're just speaking out of the world.
	You're gonna get a fuck ton more tattoos.
	You're gonna date a bunch more abusive men.
	Oh, don't put that on me.
	Thank you.
	That's what I'm projecting.
	I'm sorry, was that you're projecting that?
	So, have you been abused?
	Is that out of the pocket?
	That was crazy.
	Don't be excited on your own horse.
	Take that one back.
	Wait, why would that be?
	No, keep it on.
	Keep it on.
	There's a pattern.
	There's a pattern of behavior here.
	I've healed.
	I've healed.
	It's been years.
	No.
	Was that a little in the gut punch?
	And it wasn't even to me.
	You call me the antichrist.
	You can keep going if you want.
	Moving on to you.
	Oh, okay.
	I think for you.
	You're going to marry like a senator or a congressman.
	You'll get divorced at 45.
	You'll have two kids.
	You'll go on to own a maple syrup company for some reason.
	I'm not sure exactly why.
	That's so funny you say that because I talk about how I'm going to get married twice.
	It's her plan.
	It's my little plan.
	Wait, you're planning to get married twice?
	Wait, this service is on the internet forever.
	Maybe don't say that.
	Wait, let them dig their own grave.
	I don't feel like that one.
	I'm kidding.
	I don't think that that's that bad.
	You have a wedgie.
	That's a very obvious wedge.
	Dear, you have a wedgie.
	I'm going to apply.
	You want to take it off from me?
	I'm going to pass on that one.
	Thank you for the invitation.
	I'm gonna pass.
	Okay.
	Um...
	I think I already Antichrist, evil.
	That's so crazy that that's how you see me.
	I feel like I have a very positive energy to myself.
	Yeah, I agree.
	You're a princess.
	Yeah, you guys don't agree with what I do.
	Like, I don't think I'm a bad person at all.
	There's this like bubbling, dark energy bubbling under the surface.
	You got it.
	You got me.
	Like, I have.
	Here's another intuition.
	What's the mom of the Kardashians?
	What's her name?
	Chris Jenner.
	Chris Jenner.
	I feel like that's going to be you in the future.
	You're going to be a little bit more.
	Well, they say the devil works hard, but Chris Jenner works harder.
	Can you guys kindly shut the fuck up back there?
	Thank you.
	Can I ask where the maple syrup came from?
	I get like, I just get this vibe from you, like a maple syrup.
	I mean, I kind of like that for you, though.
	I know, I don't disagree.
	I do too.
	I don't know where it came from.
	Like, it's going to be this sort of like artisan, like she's going to have the best artisan maple syrup company, and you're going to like distribute through Trader Joe's.
	Like, that's the vibe.
	That's a good, that's a good thing.
	I like that.
	That's good, right?
	For you.
	Should I smile more?
	Wait, what's that?
	I said, should I smile more?
	Yeah, the only time you smile at me the entire night.
	I think for you, you're gonna work in HR, human resources.
	You're gonna be the you're gonna do well in HR.
	This is mean.
	I don't like it.
	What do you mean?
	HR.
	HR, you're gonna be working in HR.
	Is that worse than the Antrim?
	I think the bubbling is me, like the dark energy.
	I don't know, you're gonna.
	I thought that's what he would say.
	You're gonna date.
	He doesn't even know a plumber?
	A plumber.
	You're going to date a plumber, a blue-collar guy.
	He's my payback.
	But you're going to torture him.
	Okay.
	Not like in a physically violent way.
	And then for you.
	That's real.
	Scared.
	Yeah.
	You're going to breed French bulldogs.
	Oh, hell yeah.
	I'm down for that.
	You're going to be like, so down for that.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	You will get married, but he'll die early to stress.
	Wait, why?
	Why is he so stressed out, though?
	Because of me?
	You know?
	And my dogs?
	You know why.
	For you, you are.
	Well, your life path is kind of set.
	You've got two kids.
	I'm just being like, really, hold on.
	I feel like I'm being shit.
	No, major antichrist.
	You're going to become a yoga teacher.
	How about that?
	You're going to save all the money you've made from being an RN and you're going to become a yoga teacher.
	You're going to like a Disney person, right?
	You're going to.
	There's going to be a viral video of you freaking out at Disneyland.
	Like being on some Karen shit.
	You're going to go viral.
	You're going to.
	It's going to ruin your career.
	You're going to end up homeless.
	But then, comeback story.
	You're going to end up meeting my Prince Charming.
	No, you're going to end up writing a very successful series of romance novels.
	Nice.
	Ooh, can I do it next?
	You over here, you're going to get married.
	You're going to pump out seven children.
	Don't put that on.
	A girl.
	Done.
	Shut on me, Bob.
	You're going to.
	That's about it.
	Natalie is going to run for.
	You want to be in politics?
	She's going to do something in the political sphere.
	And voting.
	Which she's already doing.
	She's going to become, you're going to be the, what's the Spicer?
	What was the secretary?
	You're going to be the press secretary.
	Thank you.
	You're going to be the press secretary for the president in 20...
	Wait, fuck.
	2024.
	In 2040, you're going to be the press secretary for The Rock and Logan Paul.
	The Rock.
	Oh, my God.
	That's the ticket in 2040.
	Yeah.
	Thank you.
	Okay.
	Was that pretty accurate?
	I feel like I got a pretty good read.
	Sorry, that was kind of cringe.
	My bad.
	My husband's going to die.
	I'm in fact the devil, yes.
	Brian, where did you see yourself?
	I mean, you are using your intuition.
	Where do you want to be?
	10 years, I see myself retired.
	I don't know.
	Do you want to say your mind, Marbury?
	I'm going to be, I don't know what the future holds.
	Maybe if I get canceled, who knows what the future has in store for me?
	I'm going to continue on with the podcast in some capacity for as long as possible.
	I don't know if I'll be doing the dating podcast forever.
	Maybe I bring in some young blood eventually because I want to be having these conversations.
	And when I'm like 45, that would be.
	Yeah, I have a question for you.
	I think I got like three years in me to like have these conversations and then I'm going to want to check it out.
	I have a question.
	So we claim your claim to be a dating podcast, correct?
	Because that's what all the topics, or at least that you sent us, were about to get to the dating.
	Yeah, you want to talk about the dating.
	Well, I feel like we barely talked about it.
	And I was like, okay, it's very true.
	It was a debate.
	We can't.
	I know, I didn't really date.
	I mean, I didn't know what I was doing.
	I thought it was a little bit.
	It's been a political meaning episode for sure.
	Yeah, I was excited to talk about dating.
	Let's talk about dating then.
	Actually, we can talk about it.
	I forget them.
	Hold on.
	Sean.
	We're going to have questions for us.
	Most here are conditional traditionalists, wouldn't submit to their husbands if they disagree with him.
	I mean, I disagree with that.
	Yeah, wait, huh?
	Sorry, guys.
	I wasted a five minutes on the future of this.
	Thank you, Sean.
	Appreciate it.
	Here, I'll get into some of the pre-show notes here.
	Let's talk about dating.
	Are you a Disney adult?
	Oh, God.
	I would consider myself one, yeah.
	Okay.
	Let's talk about dating.
	Disney adults.
	You have a great, awful first date story.
	Yes.
	You want to tell us that?
	Sure.
	It was a blind date with somebody in the military that I met online.
	We exchanged pictures.
	We talked briefly on the phone.
	Mind you, this was a long time ago.
	But we met at BJ's, which if you're, I don't know if they have it in anywhere else than California, but it's basically a micro brewery pizza place.
	Lots of lots of options.
	So we meet there.
	I sit down and he's done.
	He was in the military and he's just an immediate nightmare.
	Super boisterous, complaining, talking.
	The waitress comes up, she asks what we want to drink, and he says, I want a Budweiser.
	And the waitress was trying to explain because BJ is their micro brewery, that they didn't have Budweiser.
	And he got just really vocal about this is America, and I'm an American, and I'm in the military, and I want an American beer.
	And meanwhile, I'm just going like this because it's so embarrassing.
	And so I get up and leave.
	I decide five minutes into the day I didn't want to be there.
	And I go to the restroom.
	I flagged down my waitress and I said, Look, this guy's a nightmare.
	And she's like, I don't blame you.
	But I guess the funniest part is this guy was so completely off his rocker that I was afraid that he was going to find out that I was leaving.
	And so I parked probably a quarter of a mile away.
	And this is in Laguna Beach, and it's really hilly.
	And so I'm just booking it up and down all of these hills to try to get away from this guy as fast as I can because I didn't know what he would do.
	And I unfortunately had left my jacket on the back of the chair.
	And I called the restaurant probably 15 minutes later.
	And they said, yes, he's going absolutely berserk.
	Be glad that you left.
	So that was my absolute nightmare.
	Okay.
	You said you had stories about dating a con artist and a dumpster diver.
	Oh, God.
	So my second boyfriend, I was with him for two years.
	And I rode the wave of delusion for too long.
	But yes, he considered himself a messiah, a self-proclaimed messiah, basically the second coming.
	Thought he was the most spiritual, evolved person on the planet.
	And me just being really dumb and naive, I kind of was indoctrinated into his philosophy.
	But he was also homeless for a lot of the time that I was dating.
	And so, yeah.
	Dated a homeless guy?
	He was homeless for a period of time, and then he was kind of sort of living in somebody's garage for a period of time.
	And he was When you're young, you kind of just are blind to certain things.
	But yes, on more than one occasion, he would take me to this one particular dumpster that was behind, I think it's, what is it, not Papa John's, little Caesars that have those ready-to-go pizzas.
	And at the end of the night, they would throw the perfectly good pizzas in a bag into the dumpster.
	And so he would fish them out of the dumpster and then take them back.
	And I dated him for two years.
	Chivalry is alive, lady.
	Wow.
	Romantic.
	Yeah.
	Romantic.
	You said you wanted to speak on having multiple sexual partners before marriage, as opposed to being a virgin.
	What did you mean by that?
	What did you want to speak on specifically on that?
	Oh, gosh.
	Well, there's so many ways that I can go.
	I there's there's two ways that I can go with this.
	I think that to your point, I wouldn't, what did you, how did you phrase it?
	You wouldn't purchase a car without test driving it.
	Yes.
	And so for me at least, I feel like my sexual compatibility, my sexual chemistry is very quintessential to having a really strong relationship.
	And you don't know.
	You could have the most amazing, loving connection with somebody, but you don't, you cannot predict how you will engage with them sexually until you have crossed that line.
	And I've dated a number of people who I thought I have this amazing relationship with them.
	I have this amazing connection with them.
	And then I sleep with them and it's just not there.
	And it's, it's not necessarily awful, but it's just not what I was expecting.
	Well, so does the for you to consider a guy for a long-term relationship, does he have to be the best sex you've ever had?
	Oh, no, not at all.
	But I don't want to have a virgin.
	You really want to date a virgin?
	No, I don't.
	But isn't that.
	Okay, let's say he's not a virgin, though.
	But the first.
	Okay, actually, question for the whole table here.
	Because maybe, look, I think we can all agree sometimes you don't always put forth your best performance all the time.
	And maybe that's the first time, right?
	If the first time was bad, would that just be just instantly not going to see them a second time?
	No.
	You give them a second chance.
	Yeah.
	A lot of times they can be nervous and it just doesn't work out.
	There you go.
	That's reasonable.
	You can talk them through it.
	I agree with Coke Dick.
	Yeah, I agree.
	No.
	Depends.
	First time, not so great.
	It could be really bad.
	It could be really, really bad.
	I've had to happen before.
	And would you still get another chance?
	No.
	Into the mic.
	First time, really?
	What if they were nervous?
	Yes.
	Yes.
	If they were nervous, but like I've had scenarios where it's the first time and they did horribly bad and it was just no.
	Okay.
	Yeah, like give it a fair shot.
	A couple times?
	Yeah.
	So I'm re-waiting for marriage.
	I'm not a virgin at the moment, but in the past, I would be very gracious for the first time.
	In the past?
	Okay.
	Gracious.
	All right.
	Natalie, what about you?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Okay.
	Interesting.
	Wait, so.
	Wait, was that a yes to you wouldn't sleep with him again?
	Has said yes.
	Okay.
	Wait, so you were saying, though, that you want to test drive the car.
	And if the sex isn't.
	But isn't, you know, look, isn't that something you can work on?
	Yes and no.
	So for example, I married my husband.
	I was incredibly in love with him, thought he was a love of my life.
	Oh, wait, your husband was not good in bed?
	Let me get to it.
	Okay.
	So thought he was the love of my life.
	We had date, so we had dated for off and on, for seven years before we got married.
	Yeah.
	And I was a thousand and ten percent confident convinced that this was my person.
	I had found him.
	I loved him intrinsically, inside and out, faults and all.
	I ignored the red flags in the relationship, meaning you ignored the red flags to the guy you married?
	Because I was so in love with him and the idea of marrying him because I just, I loved him and I was willing to overlook things, specifically the sexual dynamic, the sexual chemistry that we had or didn't have.
	What was lacking?
	I'm sure everybody at this table can have an experience where you have had partners where you just naturally click with them.
	You just naturally, there's just a connection, there's an energy between you, and it just works.
	And then you can be with another partner where you may get along with them really well, but the sexual dynamic is not there.
	And there's no way of making it work.
	There's no amount of counseling.
	There's no amount of practicing that you could do to fix it.
	And that's where I fell short with my husband.
	I just, I loved him, but I didn't have that intrinsic part that you need with a partner that makes it different from every other relationship that you have.
	Wait, you guys were married for five years?
	No, So we dated from the time I was 23 to 30, off and on.
	It wasn't one.
	It was an off and on again or something.
	It was an off and on relationship.
	And then you did get married, though.
	We got married and we were married for a while.
	You got married in an off.
	The reason why I was so hell-bent on marrying him is because for the longest time he wasn't ready or didn't want to commit to me.
	So when he, and that's the reason why we would always break up, is because I wanted to be in this committed relationship, but he was not willing to give me that.
	So I would break up with him and then we would get back together and again.
	How many times was it?
	Oh gosh.
	Off and on.
	A lot.
	He moved a couple times.
	Five times.
	Maybe five.
	Five times.
	Who would reinitiate?
	I think me, because I just, I loved him.
	You would break up and you would reinitiate?
	Yes.
	I just loved him so much, I just couldn't let him go because I was convinced that he was my person and I was just willing to make the sacrifice of maybe not getting everything that I wanted at the time.
	But you eventually got married.
	Who initiated the divorce?
	It was mutual.
	It was mutual?
	I think we were both unhappy for different reasons.
	I don't know if you said it.
	What was the reason for the divorce?
	Was there infidelity?
	No.
	It was just what?
	It was.
	Sex was bad.
	Is that the reason for the divorce?
	I think there's, I can only speak for myself because I can't speak for somebody else.
	But I think for me, the reason why I personally didn't want to be married to him for the rest of my life was because I could see myself cheating on him and I didn't want to do that.
	And so I decided to make the decision to break up because I was like, excuse me?
	I was just unhappy sexually.
	I felt like I couldn't ever connect with my partner.
	He had a lot of emotions.
	Were you guys having sex or was it a dead bedroom?
	We were.
	We were also trying very hard to conceive for most of the time that we were engaged and married.
	So we were having a lot of sex.
	Did you have a kid with him or is this from a different man?
	Okay, you have one kid, different man.
	Wait, and you got married before or after you had a kid?
	I got married at 30, and I had my child at 35.
	So I got a lot of people.
	With a different person.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Wait, so did you tell him that the sex wasn't really?
	Oh, yes.
	Oh, yes.
	We had so we talked about, okay, well, do we need to go to therapy?
	And maybe we need to practice the way we kiss with each other.
	And we would openly talk about the fact that we wanted to fix this as a couple, as a unit, as a what was his.
	What was his explanation there?
	I don't.
	Would you climax?
	I would make myself.
	You, uh, okay.
	So he wasn't able to make you climax?
	Not him alone, no.
	Would are other, have other partners been able to do that?
	I usually always have to help myself.
	Okay.
	But it was, for my husband, it was just.
	Has a guy, a guy's never been able to make you climax?
	Yes, but it's more rare.
	It's very rare.
	And I don't mean to get, are we talking clitoral orgasm?
	I've only had that, I would say, maybe as I could probably count on one hand.
	And is that like something that because for some girls, it can be a mental thing.
	Like it's maybe there's not a level of comfort there.
	I was very comfortable with him.
	What the problem was is it was just very mechanical.
	For you?
	No, it just.
	Did you watch porn?
	No.
	Did you use toys?
	No.
	So with your own hands, you'd be able to get yourself to climax?
	I just didn't feel that he had a lot of emotional blocks that he wasn't comfortable talking about.
	And so I think it inhibited me from feeling that super deep intimacy with him.
	And I need that in a partner.
	I need to climb.
	Well, in normal.
	Was the sex bad because you could, the guys could, the guy couldn't make you climax?
	Or were there other reasons why the sex was bad?
	It was bad because it wasn't intimate and there wasn't love and there wasn't romance.
	You mean he just like wanted to hit it from the back, basically?
	Like all the time?
	Did you feel empowered when you were with him?
	No.
	Not at all.
	There you go.
	The sex wasn't intimate.
	What do you mean?
	It just, there wasn't.
	Was he really into rough sex?
	Was that kind of?
	I mean.
	And you wanted more gentle sex?
	Yeah.
	Okay, I see.
	I get that.
	And I think he was willing to give that to me and compromise, but what was missing at the end of the day was that pure intimacy that you can only get when you're really vulnerable with another human being.
	And he wasn't able to give me his full vulnerability.
	So I always felt like he was holding back.
	I mean, I'm not.
	That sounds a little bit like.
	I'm not sure why that's a component of the sex being bad.
	For me, it is.
	I have to have really emotionally connected sex for.
	I mean, don't get me wrong.
	I like to be, you know, railed every once in a while.
	But most of the time, I like to have a close, loving, bonded connection with my partner, and I just never felt that with him.
	But you said you loved him, right?
	I did.
	So the sex was bad from a technical perspective or there was a missing connection for intimacy.
	That's what it was.
	I think she said both.
	Emotional connection.
	He was always holding back.
	And I felt that.
	I felt like he wasn't.
	Holding back sexually?
	No, emotionally.
	I felt like he was holding on to the body.
	That's what men do.
	That's the name of the game.
	We don't know.
	Yeah, but not with your wife.
	How was he holding back?
	He wasn't allowing himself to be fully present with me.
	He was, I think he was scared.
	What do you mean fully present?
	I mean, it's obviously, I imagine this is something that's hard to precisely articulate, but without actually seeing the dynamic or knowing the dynamic.
	It wasn't just sexually.
	He just, he held a lot of secrets from me in general.
	And I felt it the most in the bedroom.
	Yeah.
	I think you have to pay attention to how you feel when you get to it.
	I don't know, man.
	From a guy.
	I don't know, man.
	That sounds like a lot of work.
	It sounds like kind of a lot of work.
	I disagree.
	I mean, you don't even want to get married to someone, but like, there's a level of intimacy.
	And I can't say that.
	But she said the sex was bad.
	Yeah, but I can speak on that as a sex.
	But you said that you want to test drive.
	So like for you, it wasn't this thing of like when you're dating somebody new, how long do you typically wait before having sex with them?
	A couple, a couple, like at least a week or two, sometimes longer.
	But it's usually, it's, it's usually a few dates in.
	Okay.
	It's usually never the first date.
	So the sex is always going to be bad?
	Well, I'm just confused because like it was just bad with him because I just couldn't I just didn't ever feel close to him I thought it was just, it felt just very mechanical.
	Like the sex that you get when you meet somebody for the first time and you're just banging.
	That's what it felt like for me.
	It didn't feel like the love and the intimacy that you're supposed to feel with your lifelong partner.
	Okay.
	I know what you're saying.
	I completely actually understand what you're saying.
	Yeah, no, I do too.
	That's why I was trying to give a little.
	Yeah.
	You can have amazing, great sex on paper.
	Like, for example, one of my last boyfriends was a perfect 10 on paper.
	He hit all of the boxes.
	We had theoretically great sex, but we didn't have that connection.
	And so we only, our relationship only lasted for a couple months because he felt it and I felt it.
	And it was just like a mutual, you know, this was great while it lasted.
	Thank you very much.
	But I'm going to be on my way.
	I don't know, man.
	That sounds like a lot of work.
	So what it sounds like to me, Brian, is you have had a lot of mechanical sex, but you haven't had a lot of really intimate, wonderful, beautiful sex because you don't even know what I'm talking about.
	No, it just seems like you want this sort of vague, nebulous, ethereal thing, which the people who know know what I'm talking about.
	That's all I have to say.
	Well, I mean, I'll actually throw this out there.
	I actually don't like the rough sex that you speak of.
	I actually prefer more intimate, gentle sex.
	I'm not clear if that's what you're really, why are you looking at me that way?
	Look, I get that you want to just like have super crazy rough sex.
	Relax.
	Not everybody's into that, okay?
	Chill out, bro.
	I'm just trying to see what you're going to say.
	No.
	I actually prefer.
	I don't want to like do the fucking jackhammer.
	Yeah.
	Okay, but have you had a real connection?
	Like, have you felt that super deep connection with someone?
	Have you looked into a woman's eyes and just like held her hand and have it be this beautiful moment between you two, like two souls bonding together?
	If you've never seen that, it doesn't have to be that head.
	But you know the difference between like when you have a connection.
	I can't say the word.
	I'm not going to say the word, but that sounds kind of no, that's just, I think what real true intimacy is.
	That your expectations be kind of crazy when it comes to that.
	No, my question, though, have you had experiences where you feel more connected than another?
	If you're having the same type of sex, have you felt more connected to one person over the other emotionally during the sex?
	Sure.
	Okay, so that's exactly what she's saying.
	But it to her extent is not exactly your extent, but it does make sense, right?
	Of that different level of connection.
	And it's not a lot of work when you have a natural intrinsic connection.
	It just, it works.
	But you don't have to think about it.
	It makes sense to test it out before you get married in certain people's scenario.
	If you're not for religious reasons, that's totally cool and that's your own thing.
	like for some people that's not what they believe in so i'm i'm a little lost to be honest I'm not even sure where to tackle that from.
	Maybe, maybe your expectations are a little too high.
	That's possible.
	I had a really, I had a pretty, I had, I was blessed enough to be intimate with somebody who blew my mind in every way possible.
	And it wasn't the sex.
	It was the intimacy.
	It was the love.
	It was the connection.
	And so I have a pretty high benchmark from which to base my future connections.
	And I screwed up.
	No.
	I would tell him all the time.
	And if you're watching, he knows.
	I would tell him all the time, you ruined me.
	You literally ruined me because now I have this super high expectation.
	So I'm very cognizant.
	I'm very aware of it.
	There's this, I don't like the term alpha, but it's actually a good descriptive thing here.
	So you've been with a guy.
	Was he, I mean, the sex itself was great, but was he also like really attractive and like hit a bunch of check marks too?
	I don't think.
	Yes and no.
	I don't think.
	Well, this shit is dangerous.
	Once a girl gets fucked a certain way, bro, you guys are fucked.
	I'm sorry.
	I'm sorry.
	But I would say.
	It's okay.
	I would say he was a traditionally attractive guy.
	I don't know.
	This is why body counts.
	This kind of segues into our next conversation that you wanted to talk about is body count.
	Here's the thing.
	Once you've fucked enough guys, you've landed on a certain dude that just like, it might not even be sex, but it could be like he's just so fucking attractive or his status or just like something, his charisma or the way you feel about him that is not going to be easily replicated in Other men, and you're gonna use that guy as the benchmark for all the other guys going into the future.
	Absolutely.
	I have a really great analogy for you.
	But this actually almost let me let me just wrap it up.
	Men do that too, though.
	Not really.
	Yeah, not really.
	It's a bit different.
	This actually stems back to the rating thing.
	So here's where women get into big trouble.
	Because you have sexual access to men that you can't get commitment from, if you fuck those really attractive dudes that will never give you commitment, and then like the guys who will actually commit to you are like one, two, three points down, either their sex game, status, money, whatever it is, you're gonna be like, you're gonna be comparing the guy who you can actually get commitment from to the guy who you can't get commitment from.
	And that makes for a terrible, terrible fucking relationship because you think you've settled when really you're just shooting out of your league.
	Talking about physical is not the same as what she's talking about, though.
	Exactly.
	She was talking about connection that whole time.
	Sad.
	Do you not know what connection is?
	Okay, so let me give you my analogy.
	That's not the same thing as like at the end of the day, in terms of sex, what we were talking about is looking for that specific connection.
	So like, what does that even mean?
	I'm thinking about the connection.
	If you've never experienced it, it's hard to quantify.
	The vibe.
	You guys are talking about the click, the chemistry, the vibe.
	Yeah, is there such thing as a chemistry?
	Have you sexual chemistry experienced that connection with someone?
	There's sexual chemistry and then there's romantic chemistry.
	I'm sure you would agree.
	Yeah.
	Like you can feel the click or vibe for somebody before you've had sex with them, right?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	But sexual chemistry is what she's talking about.
	Okay.
	There's it sounds like you're holding these men to this, like, this one guy just fucking.
	And I'm not denying that.
	He literally ruined me.
	But she actually admitted it.
	She said from her own mouth, she said, he ruined me for other men.
	And that's precisely why segueing here, why I think body count matters.
	Because eventually you keep, it's like a Russian roulette.
	Well, not Russian roulette.
	You keep rolling the dice and eventually you're going to land on a dude who fucks you just right or who's just attractive enough.
	And then all the guys, let's assume that that relationship doesn't work out.
	That's the benchmark for all the other guys moving forward.
	And it sets those men up for disappoint.
	You're going to disappoint your girl.
	But there's always the potential to form a new bond or a new connection with that partner.
	So it's not completely different.
	That's so.
	Okay.
	You said that, like, while you're fucking these new men, do you think about the guy who put it down just right?
	That's such a, oh my God, that's crazy.
	That's so crazy.
	I don't think so.
	She's having sex with other men.
	She's having sex with other men and she's thinking about the guy who did it just right.
	So I can answer that question.
	Oh my God, that's I can answer that question.
	So the reason why the reason why I knew I needed to get a divorce was because I have a crystal clear memory of me having sex with my husband and thinking about this other guy and me knowing in that moment I have to divorce him because if I don't get out of this marriage, I'm going to cheat on him.
	I'm going to try to find this.
	And I know that's really fucked up, but I didn't want to be not.
	It's not.
	This happened to me too.
	So while you were, hold on, let me recap here.
	While you were having sex with your husband, you were thinking about another man who you were having, who you had better sex with.
	And because the sex with your husband wasn't as good as the sex with this other man, you wanted to get a divorce.
	It wasn't the sex, it was the connection.
	But yes, it was the realization.
	100%.
	The guy who was really good in bed, how long did you date him for?
	Six months.
	And how soon did you have that connection after meeting him?
	Immediately.
	It was immediate.
	Wait, hold on.
	I thought a connection is something that takes a while to develop.
	No, it's that intrinsic connection that you either have or you don't with a person.
	It's either there or it's not.
	So you can build, you can build on that connection to have formed deeper connections.
	This is a red pill if I've ever felt that.
	No, but there's different types of connections.
	There can be a sexual connection.
	Well, this was a base primal connection.
	You had the click.
	You've never had that before.
	Why did it not work out with this guy?
	Because he was a lot younger than me, and I didn't want younger, meaning he was in a completely different stage in his life from me.
	And I didn't want to hold him down by being in a relationship with me.
	kind of made the sacrifice to let him be young and do and experience his youth and not be tied down by me was he what arc archetype archetype is was he are we that Was he a bad boy?
	Archetype.
	Archetype.
	He was cocky, but sweet.
	Cocky but sweet.
	Tattoos?
	No.
	No tattoos?
	Okay.
	Pretty much the antithesis of what my type is, I should say.
	He was the opposite of what your type is.
	What's your type?
	Tall, dad-bod, not cocky.
	Down to earth.
	Short?
	He was not short.
	I think he was right about my height.
	Skinny.
	No, skinny.
	Bad skin.
	Bad skin.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	But I saw beyond the physical.
	I just fell in love with who he was.
	Were there any like did he have any personality disorders?
	No, he was the most normal.
	He was so mature.
	Like, I met him when I was 20 and he was 22.
	And at 22, he was already a pilot.
	He was already working in aviation.
	He was already on his way towards his aviation career.
	And he was just very goal-driven.
	Killy donated $100.
	It's beyond fucked up.
	Brian's right.
	Good men get fucked over cause of your fairy tale delusion.
	Disgusting.
	After you segue into body count, can we ask why they deserve this man that they dream of?
	I didn't say, I completely am.
	I don't live in Dulululand.
	I am very aware that it's fucked up, thus why I wanted to get a divorce because I didn't want to be that awful person that cheated on her husband.
	At least she's aware of her actions.
	A lot of people can't be aware of that and they don't validate it.
	Nickelodeon donated $100 and they say pair bonding isn't real.
	Girl, you're ruined.
	I am.
	Take the guy that's willing to love you and be happy you got it.
	Soul ties are real.
	After this show, that will probably be harder.
	Go back to our hubby.
	Well, he's married to somebody else.
	Soul ties are real.
	Soul ties are real.
	This is crazy.
	I mean, this is a huge difference.
	Nickelodeon, I appreciate your message.
	We have another one here that's about to come in.
	Loose Pussy Energy donated $100.
	Holy shite, these hoes are fucking haram.
	Thinking of other dudes while your husband is fucking you, Brian Abdul is sharpening his rocks.
	He would like to see this 304A sack.
	Hashtag get the fucking rocks.
	Well, when I said, when I said, when I agreed with her, I was thinking about a girl, not another guy, just saying.
	And I'm not a 304.
	Sorry.
	I'm almost at a loss for words here.
	That's crazy.
	That's wild.
	If anything, I'm 100% honest.
	I'm not delusional.
	I know.
	I credit you for your honesty and actually being able to admit that.
	I'm spreading awareness by doing that.
	You thought that was funny?
	No, definitely not mainstream.
	I mean, look, really quick on the whole click, chemistry vibe, lightning, butterflies, whatever, whatever bullshit term you want to attribute to it.
	I don't really believe in that.
	Because you've never had it.
	No, look, I've had women that I get along better with.
	You've never had it.
	If you can't.
	No, because men and women are different.
	No, once you get to that feeling, you'll know that feeling.
	That's just a cop-out.
	It's not a cop-out.
	It's just this, like, it's sort of, it's this nebulous thing.
	Bro, nothing happens.
	I agree with them on this one.
	That's fine if you agree, but it's like, here's what I think it is.
	Who hurt you?
	When you don't feel that, here's what it is.
	He doesn't trigger your anxious trauma response.
	Which you confuse for love.
	That's what that is.
	That's what the click and the chemistry and the connection is.
	Or the other thing it could be is you'll feel that for a guy who's like really out of your league.
	That's the other way to trigger it.
	No, I 100% am very aware of the whole butterfly thing.
	You're not supposed to want to feel butterflies with the person you have a potential partnership with because your anxiety is heightened and your cortisol levels are heightened, that you should feel calm and at ease with your partner.
	I guess you're self-aware.
	Still not the same thing as sexual chemistry.
	No, but we're talking.
	Okay, there's like differences here.
	Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
	Like, that's all I was talking about the whole time.
	That's maybe we're using the same thing.
	That's crazy.
	I'm just explaining the difference too between them.
	Well, I mean, if we're going off of the click or the chemistry or the vibe, how many, who here has felt going around the table, starting with you, who here has felt that for somebody?
	Have you felt, you felt it, you felt it, you felt it, you felt it, you felt it, you felt it, you felt it, you felt it.
	Well, did, I mean, I'm curious, did that person end up always being a good person that you felt that for?
	Yes.
	They always were a good person?
	Yes.
	They were always the one you should have been with?
	No.
	No.
	Did any of those guys, let me ask you another follow-up question starting with you.
	Did any of those guys that you did feel the chemistry or the click or the whatever sparks, whatever the term is, with, did that guy turn out to be a piece of shit?
	Yes, but there's a difference between the feeling that you feel.
	That's all I'm going to say.
	Continue.
	Yes.
	I'm still just talking about sexual chemistry.
	Just romantic chemistry.
	Romantic chemistry?
	Yeah, end up being a piece of shit.
	Yes.
	Not in every scenario.
	I'm not saying in every scenario, but have you felt it for a guy?
	And turns out he really wasn't the, you probably shouldn't have picked him.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Have you had that?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Yes.
	Yes.
	Yes, with other people, yes.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Well, it's not clear to me then if picking men based off of this nebulous click is really the optimum way of finding a partner.
	It's not like anyone ever said that, bro.
	It just happens sometimes.
	Yeah, but we're not beholden to our base animal instincts of wanting that person that, you know, maybe boring's good.
	Maybe unexciting is good.
	Because y'all are so, y'all got the, it's like you got your dopamine hits so fucked up.
	You need a guy who's like chaotic or introduces chaos into your life because you're addicted to the drama and the excitement.
	You're chasing the feeling, yeah.
	You're addicted.
	You guys are addicts.
	You like the toxicity.
	I'm an addict.
	You like the toxic guys.
	I mean, to be completely fair, my five-year, that was like, he was super boring in every way.
	And he had a feeding fetish so no one's safe.
	Okay.
	No one's safe.
	I just think in terms, going back again to the sexual chemistry part, it's important for someone like me.
	And I said it's not for everybody because if you're holding off until marriage or whatever, then that's totally like your own thing.
	But for me, I do want to make sure that I am sexually compatible with my partner before getting married.
	I think that's fine.
	I think it's fine if you want to have good sex with a partner.
	I do think there's a difference though here between men and women.
	Men don't typically prioritize sexual experience in women.
	Well, because women really value like that intimacy.
	What do you mean?
	Exactly what you just said.
	So I think Brian's saying, Brian, most men would prefer women that don't have a lot of sexual experience.
	Is that what you mean?
	Sexual experience.
	Men prefer.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, that's fine.
	Right.
	Well, there's a differential here, though.
	It seems women either don't care or prefer men to have some degree or perhaps a great degree of sexual experience.
	I never, yeah, I never personally said that.
	I just feel like the connection has to be there.
	I've never heard of men, though.
	Because, like, why do you want someone who's like freshly experienced?
	Like, it's kind of like it's giving, you want a child or something?
	you look at biology like men want okay always with the you you do realize like for example to make the extreme argument like a woman could be 25 and still a virgin Yeah, duh.
	What do you think?
	Let's just take your thing to the logical conclusion.
	What do you think is more P-word?
	A man who wants to date a woman who's 25 who's a virgin or a man who wants to date an 18-year-old who's had sex with 100 men?
	What do you think is more?
	And I don't actually, I mean, well.
	A virgin.
	You think it's more P word to want to date a 25 year old?
	Let's say he's let's say he's 28.
	And how old is the girl?
	I already gave you the numbers.
	She's 25 and she's a virgin versus an 18-year-old who's had sex with 100 men.
	That's a hard one now because I thought the 18-year-old was a virgin.
	Fuck.
	Okay, yeah, I'm still going to go with the virgin answer.
	That makes absolutely no logical sense, but okay.
	we have sean here brian put in a good word for me with oh she who's brie I'll bring this back up when you come to the table.
	Bro, so you're talking like age gap shit now?
	Or you think, do you, you think men who prefer women who have a low body count or who are virgins are predators?
	You think it's predatory?
	P-words?
	Not all of them, but it can give some.
	It can give some.
	Not all of them, but it could give some traits for sure.
	Especially as, like, I'm 22 and I was really, like, I've always looked really young.
	Right now, I don't know how old I look, but I've always looked really young, like, since a jit, so I've realized how men act, and yeah, I don't know.
	It's just weird.
	That's all I gotta say.
	So, you think it's weird for men to prefer women of any age with a of any adult age with a low body count?
	Virgin.
	Low body count's different.
	Okay.
	So, men who want to date women who are virgins are P words?
	Not P words.
	They're what then?
	It's just it gives you the ick.
	Is that it?
	It just gives you the ignorance.
	Potentially P word.
	Potentially, well, now you're going back.
	Okay.
	It's potentially P word.
	Why?
	Should I say 50-50 of them are P-word?
	Or should I just fuck it?
	What if they're the same?
	No, Hold on.
	Say what you're going to say.
	Go ahead.
	All of them are P words.
	All men who want virgin women are P words.
	But what if they're the same age?
	Even if the woman is 30 and she's a virgin, he's...
	Is he religious?
	I don't see how that's relevant.
	Let's say he's not.
	If he's not, um, hmm.
	I'm just going to say with both the answers.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	I think it just goes back.
	I actually agree with you on this point.
	It goes back to like not wanting to have your girl compare you to anybody else.
	I don't know.
	My guy friends I've talked to, they're all like, I want to be her only experience doing XYZ and not just like sexual, just in general, like experiences.
	Like, I want to be the only man that took you to this restaurant.
	If you've been here before, don't fucking talk to me about it.
	That type of thing.
	Because they're like, I don't want to know.
	I want to be, in my mind, like, I want to be that only experience for you.
	Yeah, I guess.
	So I think it's fair from that perspective.
	Do you agree with that mindset or no?
	I agree.
	For men to want to be like your only experience in their head at least of like, I'm doing this.
	I'm the only one that's ever done this video.
	Yeah.
	I think it's totally fair and it's totally natural.
	Yeah, and I think on the flip side.
	And I think on the flip side, women actually prefer men.
	And I'm not speaking in generalities, but women prefer men who have had more than one sexual partner because I don't, maybe it makes them more manly.
	Like they're experienced.
	They know what to do.
	They know what not to do.
	They can take the lead.
	Like, I wouldn't want to be with somebody, again, that's a virgin or hasn't had sex all that much because then I feel like I'm taking the masculine role.
	And I don't think women like that.
	So I think there's a dichotomy there.
	Wait, we'll get to body count in just a sec.
	Going back to you, what is your argument for men who are attracted to women who are virgins?
	What's your argument there for it being P-word?
	Well, what's the reason?
	Into the mic.
	What's the reason why they want to explore a new young body like that?
	What if they're not young?
	What if it's a 30-year-old girl?
	Don't think you'll get through to them.Ladies, men and women aren't the same.
	Most of this panel is 100% delusional.
	Men don't seek experience.
	They seek exclusivity and security.
	W de luluz.
	Okay.
	What is your so what is your argument?
	I just think it's a little weird.
	Okay, you think it's weird.
	What's your argument?
	Um I get what she was saying.
	What are you saying?
	But also, it's just like what's the intriguement behind a fresh new body like that?
	Because I don't know.
	Because like I was saying, the P words like young people who aren't experienced, just like a virgin, you know?
	And I'm just trying to make that connection for you.
	And if you can't click it, then that's okay.
	End of conversation.
	Okay, words have meaning, definitionally.
	Words are spells.
	So let's say, for example, a 25-year-old virgin.
	This is an adult woman.
	So how, what is the argument you're going to make that a man who's attracted to a 25-year-old woman who happens to be a virgin is in any way P word?
	What's my argument?
	Like, what do you mean?
	How are you coming to the conclusion that the man who's attracted to a 25-year-old secretly is attracted to what?
	You have to be under 15 or 14 to be considered to be attracted to that.
	And if you've been sitting there waiting for a virgin is kind of weird.
	Who knows that that's the case?
	But also, I know, like, the religious standpoint and all that.
	Sure, let's go there.
	So, are Christian men or Muslim men who want to date a virgin, are you prepared to make the argument that Christian and Muslim men are P words because they prefer virgins?
	Christians, yes.
	Why?
	No comment, that's it.
	Ah, okay.
	So you're fine with attacking Christians, but not Muslims.
	Is that what you're saying?
	I wonder why that is.
	Me too.
	If you really feel that way, I would like you to enlighten me.
	I've asked her to make a difference.
	No, but no, she can't.
	And if you misspoke, then you can just say that you misspoke.
	But if you genuinely mean that, I would love to hear why.
	Have you guys not, I'm sorry.
	I'm just not trying to like get like the government on.
	The government's, no, you're good.
	But explain your thought, like, fully.
	Because you came on a podcast to explain your opinions and to put your opinions out there.
	I'm a Christian.
	I would love to hear what you have to say about this.
	And if you want to recant your statement, recant your statement.
	No, you're good.
	You're good.
	Because remember how I was talking about how they knocked on my door?
	Yeah.
	Okay, so I just see Christianity as, and I know you guys look at me like a demon, but I see as kind of like a cult, Loki, and you guys are being brainwashed, and I don't mean that in no disrespectful way.
	Wait, just curious, why are Christians, in what way are they being brainwashed?
	Is it because they believe in God?
	I don't recall you explaining it.
	Because, because, okay, this is what they told me.
	And she explained it too, but she said, or the people told me, I was like, okay, so in order to go to heaven, all I, okay, Jesus committed his sins for us, so we came here as sinners.
	So we're already sinners.
	So that's what they told me, right?
	So I was like, okay, so in order to go to heaven, all I have to do is just like pray and believe in whatever.
	And then she explained to me like the differentiation between that.
	And I was like, oh, so that means if you're in our word or in whatever, you're still going to heaven.
	And yeah.
	And they're like, yeah.
	So that's why I was kind of like, what the fuck?
	Okay, but back to the point.
	Wait, one thing.
	You said, okay, you said Christianity is a cult.
	What about the other religions?
	Are you prepared to make that statement about the other religions?
	No.
	So why'd you single out Christianity?
	Because I've just been doing more research on that one right now.
	I mean, if anything, I think you can make the argument about Catholicism.
	You don't have to have Islam, but Islam is aware of that.
	Hold on, rather than that.
	Wait, let's not go there.
	Let's not go there.
	I just wanted to know your further in-depth opinion.
	I'm not even going to continue engaging there.
	It's just getting ridiculous.
	Let's hit on body count really quick.
	Let's try to wrap up soon.
	So, yeah, so you wanted to segue.
	You said you disagree with me on Gragel donated $150.
	This woman is stupid.
	Pedos don't care if a child has experience or not.
	They are attracted to children.
	That's why they are pedos.
	The definition is someone attracted to a child.
	Adults aren't kids.
	Word.
	Yes, words have meaning.
	Here, I'll read this and then we'll get into it.
	Sean, Brian, put in a good word for me with Bree.
	Remember, I saved you from that line.
	Yeah, Sean Bree.
	Sean did save me from a lion one time.
	Oh, my God.
	Thank you, Bri.
	Oh, my God.
	I'm so happy he's alive.
	If he slides into your DMs, I'm just saying, give him a chance, you know, give him a chance.
	Hi, Sean.
	Thank you.
	All right.
	You disagree with me on body count?
	Go ahead.
	So you, I don't remember when you said it, but you said, well, you made the connection of body count.
	Once you have a high body count, it almost sticks to you.
	It is your past and it defines who you are.
	And you equated it to, well, once you're a murderer, you're always a murderer.
	And I can see where you're coming from, but I don't agree with that.
	I feel, so, for example.
	Did I say that?
	Yeah, you did.
	Did I?
	Yeah.
	Okay, let's just assume I did.
	Okay, and so for me personally, I don't think I slept around a lot, but I had my share of fun after my divorce.
	And I did a lot of regrettable things when I was younger.
	And as I've matured, as I've grown older, as I've become a mother, I take my who I let into my bed more seriously.
	And I've grown and I've become more wise and more particular with the men that I choose to be with.
	And I don't feel like once you've been a promiscuous person, once you've been in an OnlyFans girl, that that always has to define you.
	I think you can grow and learn and evolve and mature and move on.
	And that stigma doesn't always have to be attached to you.
	Exactly.
	Just like the whatever podcast doesn't have to be attached to you forever.
	You feel me?
	Like you can grow from that.
	You can get another vegetation.
	It's basically just like throwing it out.
	You dropped it on your head as a child.
	Were you?
	Because you're clearly not understanding what I'm saying.
	No, I'm clearly not.
	So I guess you were dropped.
	I mean, is that the reverse you know?
	Well done.
	You did great there.
	to just like throw it out once somebody's born again you know whatever are you born again no No.
	Whatever they've done in the past, they've now set a new life course for themselves.
	Right.
	Living in, for example, a better, a better, more pure life.
	Okay, so I mean, there's a couple things there.
	So there's one, I make arguments.
	But I also, just to interrupt you, I feel that way to a point.
	If you slept with hundreds and hundreds and hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of people, then it's kind of a slippery slope.
	So I say to a point.
	Okay.
	Well, there's a couple things there.
	First, we can get into the body count, but the other thing is I've made arguments of, well, if a girl in her past, previously, for example, had sex with men fairly quickly, but then all of a sudden changed up, the past 20 men she slept with.
	And then forcing the next guy to wait like three, four, five weeks or until marriage.
	I've heard that, yeah.
	You're free to do it.
	But I think that's a that's an L for the guy.
	I think that's an L for the guy.
	Yeah.
	I think I can understand her.
	I'd be able to find a guy who's okay with it.
	Yeah, and I couldn't.
	I personally would be like, one, I mean, maybe I'm not the best guy to ask on this because I'm not interested in waiting long periods of time before having sex.
	I think me personally, I don't really believe in waiting for sex.
	You know, in terms of like, I feel that.
	You know, I'm fine having sex relatively early on.
	And I'm not going to judge the girl for it.
	I think there's better indicators where you can make judgments on that front.
	But I just think it's well, there's a couple of factors to this.
	So, for example, if like that's going to just be her guaranteed position moving forward, okay, I want to wait three months from now on, and you're never going to falter from that.
	That's a bit more respectable than like, I would feel kind of like a sucker.
	It was wishy-washy with it.
	Yeah, like a week ago, she fucked a guy really quick.
	Oh, you meet me, you've changed up.
	You want to wait three months.
	We date for six months.
	And then as soon as you're out of the relationship, you fuck a guy right away.
	It's like, okay, that was never your actual value set.
	You just arbitrarily wanted to leverage sex for some reason, or you heard something in a fucking cosmopolitan, and you're going to leverage sex to get compliance in some way.
	Eh, not about it.
	Not about it.
	Now, I mean, but my advice to men, for example, who maybe they also want to wait, I still think it's a suboptimal dating choice for you to get with a girl who previously was promiscuous.
	And then now she's going to make your look.
	As a woman, you can always change up.
	You slept with 100 men on the first date, and then you meet a guy you really like and you want to wait until marriage.
	That's your call.
	You can do that.
	I think that's a raw deal for the guy.
	You're free to do it.
	But from the guy's perspective, that feels like a raw deal.
	I could totally, I could totally.
	Whether you want to wait or not.
	I always like the adage: there's always a lid to every pot.
	So even if you do egregious things when you're younger, you don't make the wisest decisions, all it takes is one person to love you for who you are and see past what you see past what you did in that past, accept you for who you are now and your goals and how you want to move forward and call it a day.
	You just need that one person to see.
	I mean, just from my own experience, I've encountered, like, I've dated some women who they'll tell, I'll ask kind of some details about their past.
	They'll tell me, and I do feel like a bit raw about it.
	Like, oh, you've hooked up with these guys and you hooked up with them quick, but now you want to wait.
	Well, maybe she thought you were special and different, and that's why she wanted to wait because she was like, wow, Brian's this really cool, intellectual, interesting guy.
	I don't want to ruin my chances and sleep with him right away and have the chance that he's going to think of me a certain way.
	So I'm going to wait for it.
	Well, here's the thing.
	At least for me specifically, you've actually gone ahead and ruined your chances with me if you're going to make me wait when you didn't make other men in the past wait.
	If it's always been your standard, if all the guys you dated, you waited, that's more acceptable.
	If you're a virgin, that's more acceptable.
	But if you've, you fucked 10 other dudes, seven other dudes, quick.
	And then, oh, Brian, I want to wait until marriage.
	I want to wait three months.
	I'm going to look at you like, I'm just not going to date you.
	I'm not going to pressure you.
	I'm just going to be like, hey, there's a mismatch here.
	You want to wait.
	I don't.
	Let's go our separate ways.
	I think that's a little weird of you to ask such a specific question, though.
	What do you mean?
	How's it weird?
	Like, has any guy ever asked you girls, like, what's your patterns on how you have sex in the past before me?
	That's a little weird.
	No, never.
	Well, it could come up like this.
	I mean, if you're a guy and you're desirous of having sex with a girl and she's like, no, no, no, I've got a 90-day rule, a 60-day rule.
	I want to wait three months and be like, oh, okay, I respect that.
	Has that been your standard for all the other guys you've dated?
	And if you tell me no, oh, yeah, I hooked up with a guy a month ago, you're not fresh enough in your new value set for me to take you seriously with that.
	So if you're going to be steadfast and want to wait, it's nice meeting you, but I ain't waiting.
	That's why I can see where you're coming from.
	And I think women, if you want to make, just like you said, you want to give the car a test drive, like women can also, if the guy wants to wait till marriage and you want, as women, want to have sex before marriage, that can be a deal breaker for you.
	And you can say, I don't want to wait.
	I'm going to meet somebody new.
	It was nice to meet you.
	Goodbye.
	Yeah, respectfully, no.
	So I don't have a double standard on it.
	Okay.
	But look, let me to give you, I want to give you an analogy here.
	So you were saying, well, she really likes you.
	So, you know, all those other guys were just mistakes and were just fun, but she really likes you.
	Or maybe she just decided.
	She woke up one day and she's like, you know what?
	I don't want to be promiscuous anymore.
	I don't want to sleep with guys.
	Do you have a date anymore?
	Cuck flower meme that's the cuck flower meme that it has to be sensed the censored one though.
	I'm a professional in cucks.
	Okay, thank you for sharing that.
	It's just I don't it's you're gonna have to Google it.
	It's just look you reward the fuckboys who will never give you commitment with them and you reward them with immediate sex, but you punish the guys who are worthy of a relationship by making them wait weeks or months.
	I don't know.
	I think maybe the mentality, and I could be wrong, but I think maybe the mentality is kind of going along with what you said or what you've said in the past is if a girl sleeps with you right away, you might not take her seriously down the line.
	I never said that.
	Okay.
	Well, some men, some men might think that.
	Like if they sleep with a girl right away, she's kind of she's out of the running for relationship status.
	I agree with you that some men will certainly view it that way.
	Me personally, I don't think that that's a good metric to disqualify a girl on based on the quickness with which she has sex with you.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Oh, he's ready.
	You got something, Nick?
	Yeah, this is kind of, it's censored, but I don't know.
	This is like kind of it.
	That's how that's how guys feel.
	Kind of, well, no, it's not.
	Wait.
	What's the uncensored part?
	I can't make out what it is.
	Okay, it's a line of men.
	There's a girl at the end, and then one of the guys has flowers.
	So it's the girl bending over.
	This just sounds like a bunch of insecure men.
	Insecure, yeah, okay.
	Here, I'll give you a couple of analogies here.
	So tell me if this resonates at all.
	This is for the whole panel.
	Tell me how you would feel.
	So you really like this guy.
	You go on a date.
	Everything is great.
	But you find out he wants to go 50-50 with you until you guys are married.
	But then you learn his last three girlfriends, he paid for everything, rent, dates, vacations.
	He even went on a date a week before he met you and he paid the entire bill, all the chivalry, all that.
	How does that make you feel?
	I think maybe he's just being cautious.
	Maybe he's just been screwed over one too many times by gold diggers.
	I don't mind the cautiousness.
	I think if maybe...
	You wouldn't feel a certain type of way about that?
	I mean...
	I mean, everybody has the right to change their mind and to change, you know, how they go about dating.
	You don't have to stick to one thing for the rest of your dating life.
	Well, she also says you you said you were okay with doing 50-50 though, right?
	So that's, I mean, obviously.
	I think if we started dating.
	I got more analogies.
	I think if we started dating and I could see that we were both, you know, going towards a certain path, I wouldn't mind doing 50-50.
	But it's weird.
	It's like you withhold intimacy with the man that you supposedly like, but you'll give it away to men who are undeserving.
	Like, we'll have girls, we've had girls come on the show and they'll say, well, if I'm traveling or I just want to have fun, I'll just fuck right away.
	But then the guy I really like, I'm going to, even though it's not even my value set, it's just this arbitrary thing.
	I'm going to make the guy who I really, really like, I'm going to make him wait for sex.
	Even if he wants it, I'll make him wait.
	Yeah, because she probably wants a relationship from that particular person.
	She just doesn't want to get, she just doesn't want a so you're using sex as leverage.
	Yeah, she's using the distraction until she gets to the point.
	I think she just wants to go with the intent of having it be more serious as opposed to just a hookup in the beginning.
	How about this?
	How about this?
	Okay.
	All the exes got five-star meals.
	But you get McDonald's.
	I'm fine with that.
	Because he turned over.
	Because he turned over a new leaf.
	Okay, he's saving money.
	Okay.
	That didn't work.
	Okay, how about this one?
	I'm going to make one every Friday, you guys.
	How about this?
	We're just going to go back to body count because I'm not going to be able to explain this to you guys.
	Okay, do you think, going around the table, do you think men are insecure if they care about a woman's body count?
	Yes.
	No.
	Not necessarily insecure if it's like religious reasons, but kind of explained earlier of like they ideally want a girl with a low body count because they don't want her to compare.
	So it's not saying like, oh, you're just fucking insecure.
	It's just in the back of your head.
	Sometimes.
	Sometimes.
	Oh, sometimes too.
	They're insecure.
	Okay.
	No.
	No?
	Okay.
	I would say no.
	I think it's just personal preference.
	Fair.
	I'd say sometimes.
	Sometimes insecure.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	No.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Should body count matter?
	No.
	Yeah.
	For me, it does.
	Okay.
	For me, it personally doesn't.
	No.
	Yes.
	If body count doesn't matter, what's your body count?
	Five.
	Five?
	I'm 22 years old.
	Multiply it by three, and that's the real number.
	Oh, okay.
	Five times three.
	What's your body count?
	Seven.
	I'm not disclosing.
	No, come on.
	Didn't you say last show?
	No.
	Range?
	Want to give a range?
	Less than 20.
	Okay.
	Seven.
	Seven.
	Hold on now.
	You guys all have the same body count?
	You're friends.
	Seven?
	Don't be true.
	Okay.
	Seven, Angela.
	Nine.
	Nine.
	Twenty-nine.
	Twenty-nine.
	Wait, hold on.
	Oh, I think it's $100.
	High body count shows a difference in values.
	Women don't like men who sleep with dudes.
	Why do you all think men want you after you've slept with the exact PPA you don't like in a partner?
	Women's.
	Yeah, base graggle.
	Body count?
	I'm not going to say.
	Range?
	You want to do range?
	I only sleep with people I'm in relationships with.
	In the past, I would do that.
	Less than 10?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	I didn't disclose last time.
	Why are some people allowed to disclose not?
	I guess, you know, it's not fair.
	Life's not fair.
	Well, he's not like holding you.
	Yeah, you're right.
	Life's not fair.
	At least I'm not capping.
	Five.
	I'm 22, and I was in a relationship since I was 15.
	Three years.
	Then wait, one, then three, then one.
	Huh?
	Yeah.
	I want to ask the chat.
	Chat, do you think she's telling the truth?
	Let me know, chat.
	I'm all I gotta say now.
	Well, whatever your answers are, multiply it by three, and that's the real number.
	All right, well, I want to give you guys credit.
	I want to give you guys credit, though, for answering the question.
	Those of you who did, no, it's good.
	I know it's hard on you to do that.
	No, it's not.
	I think it's hard on you.
	That's why you didn't do it for me.
	Wait.
	Brian.
	Yeah, what's up?
	What's your body count?
	Well, hold on.
	You didn't disclose.
	You can't be asking.
	Yes, I did.
	I gave you a range.
	Give me a break.
	Wait, yeah, what is your body count?
	I don't disclose my body count.
	Sorry, guys.
	But it's personal.
	Oh, yeah.
	There we go.
	Wait, I have our.
	Oh, boy.
	I have a range.
	Gustavo, what's your body count?
	We should uproar.
	No.
	No.
	Sero.
	Sero.
	Ah, Sarah.
	That's really personal, though.
	It's crazy how you ask these personal questions to us, and we can't tell you.
	Almost like I'm kind of the interviewer, kind of.
	I know, but like.
	Imagine that.
	What happened?
	Bro, what is up?
	Bro, girl, you should make merch.
	I don't know.
	Like, what happened?
	What happened, Brian?
	That's what it's going to say.
	Sorry.
	Honestly, I would.
	That's copyright rate.
	Maybe I'll go to a child.
	I'll put a one instead of an I so I don't get copyright.
	No, you totally could.
	And then you can donate the proceeds to people for hemi therapy.
	Yeah.
	Boom.
	I don't think it's insecure for men to care about body count.
	Okay.
	In fact, I think it's super secure.
	Okay.
	Super secure.
	Interesting.
	Look, let's just go over a couple basic ones.
	Obviously, somebody who's had more sexual partners is more likely to have an STD.
	People who have had more sexual partners, more likely to cheat, more likely to for there to be infidelity.
	Greater likelihood of reporting relationship dissatisfaction.
	Greater likelihood of difficulty when it comes to pair bonding.
	Also, there's a biological component and an evo-psych component of why men care about this more than women.
	It comes down to paternity certainty.
	So in the past, before there were DNA tests, if a woman was promiscuous, and let's say that she was dating multiple men, sleeping with multiple men at the same time, there would be no way to know who the father is.
	And obviously, men want to ensure paternity.
	They want to be sure that the child is in fact theirs.
	It's one of the biggest L's that you can take in your life as a man is to raise a kid that you think is yours, but actually isn't.
	So I've heard that story a lot.
	Are you laughing at paternity fraud?
	Is that funny to you?
	No, it's not funny.
	Do you think it's funny?
	I don't think it's funny.
	I think it's actually, I think it should be criminalized, to be honest.
	I do this thing where when I'm uncomfortable, I laugh.
	So you just laugh.
	I get it.
	People laugh when they're uncomfortable.
	Cool.
	So, I mean, that's a big part of it.
	And honestly, just it's kind of gross.
	It's just kind of gross.
	Agreed.
	For women or for everyone?
	I think, look, if women can feel gross about it too, like when it comes to promiscuity, like would you feel a little gross, for example?
	And I'm using extreme example here to make my point.
	Probably.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	She doesn't even want to hear it.
	Would you feel a little grossed out, for example, if a guy had sex with a girl and then like within that same day women had sex with you?
	Yeah, it's a body count, but yeah.
	Well, it's a little different, but it's the same thing.
	It's kind of related, though.
	It's a little, it's related to promiscuity.
	So, if, for example, like you hooked up with a girl today and then I fucked you.
	That's what you're about to say, right?
	Flirting again, Ryan.
	Should I just walk away from you?
	Look at blood.
	She does want to see.
	Yeah, we'll leave.
	We can leave.
	We can wrap it up for y'all, you guys.
	Anyways, what I was going to say is, if theoretically, right?
	That's fucking disgusting.
	No, no, no.
	The promiscuity thing.
	Yeah, yeah, that's what I thought.
	Because I was about to go off.
	Calm down.
	Relax.
	That's good.
	Can I finish my question?
	Okay, cool.
	So if you have a big body count, right, because you didn't disclose because you don't want to, and that's fair.
	Sure.
	If it means a lot to you, it doesn't really matter.
	Go ahead.
	Go ahead.
	But if you have a big body count, but you're only hooking up with one person right now, how does that affect anything?
	What do you mean?
	If you never disclose that to them, they never asked you, would you expect someone to judge you off of your body count?
	Theoretically, if it's high.
	I mean, I'm pretty sure it is.
	Why do you say that?
	Because you're flirty.
	No, he's, I can tell.
	I'm just kidding.
	She can tell I'm a virgin.
	No, and maybe not a virgin.
	If a girl wanted to disqualify me because of my body count, that's fine.
	But I'm saying like, if that was never even a topic of conversation, is that a red flag to you?
	Like, does that really matter?
	What's the question?
	Like, how do I phrase it?
	I want to put you in that position.
	If your body count is high, why are you getting there?
	But now, like, you're only hooking up with one person.
	Your past doesn't really affect right now.
	You're talking about hooking up with multiple people at the same time.
	That's like not the same thing.
	It's kind of related because it's related to promiscuity, right?
	Body count is or body count is proxy for promiscuity.
	Now, I agree with you.
	For example, a woman to steel man your position.
	Let's say a woman had sex with 100 men, right?
	Okay.
	But then she didn't have sex for three years, right?
	My example that I provided would not be a strong argument to make because, well, how does the disgust factor come into this?
	Because she's been celibate for three years.
	You could still, I could actually maybe still make an argument that it's kind of still disgusting, but let's assume she doesn't even have STDs.
	She's totally clean.
	Still kind of, there's still kind of, I'm still kind of like a bad person.
	Because that's like an in-your-head type of thing.
	It's just like, she's clean and she hasn't had sex in three years.
	So it's just.
	What's happened?
	But okay, let's say, let's say she's has a high body count and she's still being promiscuous.
	Okay, that's it.
	So body count would be proxy for her promiscuity.
	And then it stands to reason that she's been perhaps sexually active recently.
	And then it would be like an actual physical disgust over you just fucked somebody else.
	That's a different thing.
	There's maybe seeds.
	Ryan.
	Hey, it takes a couple days.
	A day at 24, 48 hours.
	I can't spread it.
	It's never leaked out.
	For like five days.
	It's never leaked out like seven hours later.
	Come on, ladies.
	Oh, my God.
	Calm down, bro.
	Relax.
	I'm the sexist.
	Don't get too excited here.
	Jesus Christ.
	I shouldn't have said that.
	Okay, let's see.
	Brianna, you're very conservative Christian, pro-life, anti-porn, anti-OnlyFans.
	You used to post scandalous pictures before the OnlyFans days.
	You got a lot of attention, which has trickled into your adult life, has kept you in negative cycles.
	Friendships, relationships, lifestyle habits don't benefit you.
	You wanted to share the other side of modesty and how different life is for me now that you uphold yourself from a place of integrity and respect, and that sex work doesn't have to be the only way to be a young, successful adult.
	Yeah.
	Okay, go ahead.
	I need to get up really quick.
	Yeah.
	Go ahead.
	Speak.
	So I. I'm very far from this, Mike.
	I'm sorry.
	You can encroach.
	Sorry.
	No, so I never, this was before OnlyFans was a thing.
	Just like on Instagram and social media, whatever, I'd post bikini pics, scandalous pics, butt shots, like all whatever.
	I was like 18, 19, 20, and that validation from a man felt really good.
	I mean, I'm not making money off of it, or I wasn't making money off of it, and it was very superficial, but I did exchange sexual favors for other things.
	And I did do the whole like sugar baby thing for a while.
	And I thought that made me feel good.
	I thought that gave me the validation.
	And I thought it was empowering.
	And I thought it was everything that, you know, adult, successful women in that realm could achieve.
	And all that it really did was it just made my wounds that I had pre-existing bigger.
	And it kind of trickled into every other aspect of my life.
	And that's not to say that's the same for everyone, obviously not.
	But now, like, I am more modest.
	And I have learned from the trauma that I have allowed myself to be a part of because the way I did not respect myself, men didn't respect me.
	A man is only going to respect you as much as you respect you.
	And if it's a higher standard than they want to provide, the trash takes itself out.
	And it's kind of not something you have to deal with.
	And I feel like because of my past, I haven't upheld myself.
	I haven't upheld and respected my boundaries.
	I didn't have boundaries for a very long time.
	And I just think that it's so important.
	And even if you're in the industry, I think it's important to have boundaries and to know what that looks like for you.
	And that the reason why you may be doing things, whether that be sex work, whether that be the P-word, whether that be anything, I think that there's a deeper meaning behind why you feel like that is the only thing you can bring to the table.
	And I believe that there's more that you can contribute to society because at one point that's not what I believed.
	At one point, I thought that I'm pretty and I can get what I want, and that's not the way the world works.
	And the world will chew you up and spit you out.
	And then you're going to have to look at yourself one day and pick up the pieces.
	And truly, beauty is a depreciating asset.
	And you're not going to be young and beautiful for as long as you think you are.
	And one day you will have to start over.
	And there will be a gap in your resume.
	And you will have to explain that.
	And it's just, I feel so deeply for women that go through, you know, OnlyFans and do porn and stuff like that because there are better ways to be self-expressive and to have companionship and to have that type of connection.
	And I just, I just think it takes courage to see that and acknowledge that.
	And it takes courage to move forward and move past that.
	What was your catalyst for changing?
	Being so broken and knowing that I caused it.
	Yes, someone else hurt me, cheated on me, physically abused me, but it was ultimately because I didn't respect my own boundaries for the sake of love or attention or a relationship.
	That's why I hurt myself.
	Is this the feeder guy?
	This is my last two relationships.
	But essentially, it's because my lack of own my own self-respect allowed these things to happen.
	That's all.
	I respect your opinion and I respect where you're coming from and your experiences.
	I would counter that and say, yeah, I mean, I worked in corporate, so I had a normal job.
	I did that.
	I did the whole thing.
	I got a pre-med degree.
	I worked in tech.
	I did that life.
	And ultimately, like, corporate America is the biggest pimps out there.
	So I am my own CEO.
	I have my own S-Corp.
	I run my own business every day.
	And just because morally it doesn't align with what you believe in, which is totally okay, that doesn't mean that my business is any less like than what you do for a living.
	No, no, absolutely.
	And I'm not trying to sit here saying that I'm better than you by any means or saying that because morally it goes.
	You have an S-Corp?
	Yeah.
	For your OnlyFans?
	Why not just in the LLC?
	Tax brackets.
	Corp.
	Oh, okay.
	But my point is, is that.
	Wait, couldn't you just be in the LLC and elect to get taxed as an S-Corp?
	We're not getting.
	Okay, all right, I know, I know.
	Why does it have to be a bad person?
	I'm just not sure.
	I don't care.
	I'm just saying it's a business at the end of the day.
	Like, I know, I don't even like the bring that to the table type of conversation.
	Yeah, no, but I understand for the sake of business.
	Wait, chat, hold on.
	Let me go into some fucking CPA shit.
	chat can't you be an llc and elect to be taxed as an s corp like as if you i could be wrong i've I don't know.
	Okay, anyways.
	Am I right?
	What was the last thing they were saying?
	You can be in the LLC and just elect, and that would you wouldn't have to like do hours or whatever.
	What's it called?
	I don't know.
	Okay, sorry.
	Derailing.
	Sorry.
	Well, I just filed the paperwork.
	So I don't know.
	It's like a couple weeks ago.
	All I'm saying is that you're beautiful and you're smart.
	I do plan to give back, though, and that's like part of what my plan is.
	So you asked earlier, I think I don't know which one of you did.
	But like, do you have an exit plan?
	I mean, I plan to do this as long as it still makes me happy and I wake up every day and I'm not like miserable.
	I know it does have mental effects on a lot of people, but like me personally, I don't feel that way.
	Like I can genuinely say like I don't feel that way.
	I actually felt way more stressed and unhappy every day waking up reporting to people that didn't respect me.
	You have a very light effervescent energy.
	I can tell you're like a genuine Antichrist.
	Yeah, but she's not.
	Sorry, what?
	No, she's...
	But, um...
	W.
	Yeah, no, I like completely agree.
	Like, from your perspective, I know a lot of people always try to talk me out of what I do.
	And like, not saying you're trying to talk me out of it, but just saying your perspective.
	And that's why we're here.
	You know, like, I respect everyone's opinions.
	I just don't agree.
	Yeah, and you totally don't have to agree.
	I just agree to disagree.
	I just see that there's so much more potential in you and all of these women.
	Joey donated $100.
	Ladies, may I sell you a Hermes purse?
	It was worn by 30 other women in countless photos all around the world.
	It's also 35 years old and full of other people's stuff.
	Can I get full price?
	Oh, shit.
	Yo, Joey, thank you, man.
	I appreciate the analogy.
	I've got to be on Hermes Mythology.
	I don't think it's kind of word.
	Okay.
	Where were we?
	Were we trying to convert her out of her?
	I don't even think she was trying to convert me.
	She was not converting me where she came from and her evolution from like posting bikini pics and more scandalous photos to where she's at now.
	And I think that's respectable.
	I respect that because you are very set, and I respect you for that, on what you want and your traditional lifestyle.
	Like, I want that too, but like, not right now.
	And I'm not looking for it.
	I just, I just fear the day that you wake up and you're like, I have this gap in my life, this time in my life that I can't get back.
	And it's like you could have been using this time to be working on other, in my opinion, more beneficial things in your life.
	And that's not to say what you're doing won't be successful or won't have longevity.
	I just worry about the morality, your characteristics, and what you can bring to just society generally.
	Not that what you're doing is inherently evil or horrible or the antichrist by any means.
	But I just think that people that do sex work can find better outlets and better ways to contribute to society as well.
	I agree with that.
	Yeah.
	But it's not to demonize.
	I mean, I'm going to use my capital to do positive things.
	I do positive things a lot.
	I just sent in a super chat to the whatever channel.
	That would be a positive first step.
	No.
	Maybe next year.
	I should start taxing.
	Like, okay, you got to, if you come on the Weather Blue podcast, you got to do a $100 TTS every show.
	Okay.
	But whatever.
	Sierra, in your pre-show notes, you said there's a crazy story.
	Wait.
	It's Kira.
	Oh, shit, my bad.
	It's Kira.
	Siara.
	It's stood up.
	You got stood up.
	Oh my God, yeah.
	What happened?
	Okay, I met this guy at Wildcat.
	He came up to me.
	Are you okay?
	I'm good.
	Have you ever drank water and it just hits the back of your throat?
	I was like, oh man.
	Bro, that was about to be really embarrassing, but I fucking rested.
	You throw it at that bitch.
	You've never had that where you like throw it back and you like nearly fucking die?
	Yeah, Viva.
	You throw it back and you almost die.
	Goes in the wrong way.
	That sounded crazy.
	Hey, hey, this is a this is this is this is a family-friendly show.
	It's so not get you get your head out of the gutter.
	Get out of the gutter.
	Okay, go ahead.
	You got this guy came up to me at Wildcat and was like, You're so pretty.
	Like, I want to like hang out with you, all this stuff.
	Got his contact information.
	And then, like, basically leading up to the date, he was like saying like how excited he was and whatever.
	And I was like, okay, cool.
	Like, I'm excited too.
	We've hung out a few times before, but just like, not like a date setting.
	And then we were going to go see a movie.
	And then I was like, okay, pick me up at like 7 because the movie was at 7:30.
	And then he just never ended up picking me up.
	And I haven't heard from him.
	Was this recently?
	Yeah.
	He didn't even text you.
	No.
	He should have been the one that was like, I'm all picking you up at 7.
	See, like, that's where you need like.
	Well, because we were both kind of talking about it, though.
	I don't know.
	It was just weird.
	Like, it was just weird how the whole week leading up to it, he was like, oh my God, I can't wait.
	And then he didn't show up.
	And I was like, did something happen?
	You still haven't talked to him?
	No.
	Wait, are you guys housemates?
	Roommates?
	Yeah.
	Me and Emmy are housemates.
	But I wanted to add that he texted her like an hour before.
	Yeah, like literally ghosted her.
	Yeah, no, like he was texting me up until I'm on my way.
	Yeah.
	And then nothing.
	And then nobody.
	Did you send him a message like, hey, what happened?
	I said, well, the last message I sent to him was, I was like, you know, like the movie's at 7:30, right?
	At 7.30.
	That's 7.
	Yeah, at like 7 o'clock.
	So, like, what was that?
	Like, I would have rather him just be like, hey, I don't want to go on this date with you anymore.
	Because I'm like, okay, that's fine.
	I have no like expectations from you.
	I was just excited to go see the Bob Marley movie.
	Oh, it didn't happen.
	It was super, I don't know.
	And then, like, I weirdly felt embarrassed about it, but now I'm like, okay, it's not me.
	It's weird of him.
	It's just weird of him.
	It's not you.
	It's fucked up.
	I know.
	Fucked up.
	Fucked up.
	Thanks, Kevin.
	I'm just kidding.
	That's what I was saying.
	We can call him Kevin.
	Do you two have any things that you want to hit on?
	Dating, relationship topics?
	You guys didn't get the opportunity to talk too much.
	Anything from you?
	Home slot?
	I don't know.
	Nothing that comes to mind like straight.
	Yeah.
	I feel like it just flows.
	It flows.
	Yeah.
	It's got to light.
	I want to know everybody's opinion on that story, though.
	Like, what do you think it was?
	Oh, what did we?
	Like, what do you think happened?
	How long ago was this?
	Joey Dillon.
	Literally, like, a couple days ago.
	I love this podcast.
	It reminds me of why I won't survive on the dating scene.
	Don't say that.
	In 38 days, I marry a woman where I was her first mate.
	Three carrots went on her finger.
	Girls, smarten up.
	King of DIY.
	King of Do It Yourself?
	You got a YouTube channel or something?
	Doing some household projects?
	Three carrots.
	Thank you very much.
	For your TTS man.
	Congrats on your wedding.
	You said in 38 days, I hope it goes well.
	But yeah, dude, the dating scene right now is kind of brutal.
	So congrats on your that thing.
	Wait, you were saying what was what.
	Yeah, what do you think happened to him?
	To him?
	Wait, so give us a little backstory.
	You guys had you guys hooked up.
	Had you guys hooked up previously?
	This was like a casual hookup.
	Yeah, we've hooked up before, yeah.
	But the whole entire time, he was like, I like want to take you out like on a date, like da-da-da-da, all this stuff.
	And I was like, okay, cool, like, whatever.
	I'm down.
	And then, yeah.
	I'm saying up into like an hour before we're supposed to go on this date.
	Nothing.
	Something better came up.
	It's just he went to a women's boarding game.
	He went to a WNBA game.
	Good for him.
	Yeah.
	Better.
	No, no.
	Yeah.
	Well, I mean, yeah, I mean, it's not like I like that.
	I wasn't expecting much from anything, but it would have been like, I don't know.
	You're like, definitely.
	I'm not looking for a relationship right now, but definitely wrong of him to have sort of essentially set up this plan with you and to not communicate with you at all.
	He should have, even if he didn't want to go, he could have just said, hey, can we reschedule?
	Or, I mean, at least like a, even though, yeah, he should have at least told you.
	Because then you're probably waiting around.
	What's going on?
	The thing is, like, I like got home from work.
	I got ready.
	I put all this time in.
	And then up and like, literally texting me while I'm getting ready and then like never shows up.
	And he also canceled another date.
	Yeah, I had another date for him.
	Well, hold on now.
	That's true.
	I forgot about that part.
	Wait.
	Hold on now.
	I don't feel so bad all of a sudden.
	Oh, no, no.
	You canceled.
	So you had a date?
	Well, I rescheduled the other date because I wanted.
	Wait, hold on.
	So you rescheduled that.
	When did you have the other date planned?
	The.
	Wait.
	So was this like a spontaneous, hey, babe, I want to take you to a movie?
	It was like that day that he wanted to do the movie?
	No, like we he texted me on Sunday and we were like, oh, we should go to a movie.
	Or I mentioned, basically, so on Sun, last, yeah, last Sunday, I think.
	I don't remember.
	We were texting and I was like, oh, like, I'm kind of like, I want to have like a chill weekend.
	Like, I kind of want to go to a movie and see like the Bob Marley movie.
	And he was like, yeah, I want to see that too.
	Like, let me take you on a date.
	That'll be like our first date.
	And I was like, okay.
	And then.
	But you already had another date planned for that date.
	Yes.
	Previously pre-planned.
	Yeah.
	With a different dude.
	Yes.
	And you canceled.
	How much notice did you have?
	I didn't cancel.
	As soon as.
	You rescheduled the date?
	I rescheduled the date, yes.
	Damn.
	Well, I was like a situation.
	So like I said, I am dating.
	Like, I am out and like, I'm dating.
	Okay.
	But I canceled or rescheduled that date right then.
	Like, I didn't make him wait forever.
	I don't feel as bad.
	Guy was still wrong for just full-on ghosting you and not telling you, hey, I'm not gonna pick you up.
	I'm just surprised there was no sub.
	I mean, it sounds like he's just straight up ghosting you now, though.
	Yeah, it wasn't like there was an emergency or is he alive?
	I would assume so.
	Okay, he's ghosting you then.
	He is alive.
	We actually saw his snap match.
	Ooh, that's awkward.
	We know he's up.
	Shout out to you.
	Dick move on his part, a little less bad, though, because I rescheduled my other date.
	You're dating multiple guys at the same time, so don't feel a whole bunch of pity.
	But it was what he did was wrong.
	What he did was wrong.
	Definitely would, that's a terrible position.
	Are you even happy with that situation where you're like dating multiple people?
	Well, it's not like I'm dating like a million men.
	I'm just like going out on dates.
	Like people ask me out on a date and I'm going to go on it and see like where things go.
	But don't you like having people?
	Aren't there like, don't you meet a guy and you just, there's one guy you really like and you want to like really pursue that one guy if she likes him.
	Yeah, if I like them, sure.
	But will you still be dating other men while you're no?
	Like if I if I want to really you're fucking sleeping with men you don't even really like that much.
	Okay.
	Shouldn't you at least like the guy if you're gonna sleep with me?
	Well, I'm not saying that I don't like the men that I like.
	Not necessarily.
	I just want to fuck the dude.
	You have that feeling.
	Are you a spite fucker?
	Where did that come from?
	I hate this guy so much.
	I'm gonna fuck him.
	You know what I mean?
	Yeah, where did that come from?
	Well, okay, like I said, I'm not looking for a relationship right now.
	I am like in the dating pool, like the dating scene.
	I would like to meet people.
	And if I meet a guy that I end up really liking, then yeah, I'm gonna stick to that one guy.
	But I haven't really found that yet.
	But I can't really gauge that off of one date.
	Like I've so the guy that I reschedule, we already had a date before.
	So then this would have been our second date.
	I don't know if I just like crazy women.
	I don't think they're crazy, though.
	I just want here's the thing.
	For me, if I'm dating a girl, like I don't want her to want other guys.
	Like I have to be the only guy in the picture.
	If we go on a first date, you want a second date, all the other guys has to be a rap.
	Preferably, there's just no guys.
	I agree.
	Preferably, there's just no guys at all in the picture when we even first meet.
	I agree.
	It's rare, though.
	Yeah.
	What?
	And you were saying something about your situation.
	You're like seeing this one guy, but there's kind of you're dating around kind of.
	Yeah.
	And by the way, to preface dating doesn't mean like I'm taking home all these people and sleeping with them.
	Maybe not.
	Maybe not.
	Because I'm not.
	Maybe not.
	But like, for example, if I was like, if I was dating any of you, like, that is.
	Yikes.
	Yikes.
	He took me to the bottom.
	My brain ticket on my brain ticket on my brain.
	Sorry.
	Bro, you were like mad trying to flirt with me back there.
	Stop.
	Chill up.
	Bro, you were like.
	It's a self-defense.
	Yo, you've been like eye-fucking the shit out of me the entire show.
	Chill the fuck out, bro.
	I think you should just have a fight at whatever fight club and just are you okay?
	Bro, you want to fuck me?
	Chill out, dude.
	What the fuck?
	Are you okay?
	I'd literally rather like a keyword on live.
	You want to say one thing.
	Say one thing you guys like about each other.
	Oh, yeah, bro.
	That's what I was saying.
	You guys like about each other.
	I don't think he cares what he's saying.
	Like, literally, right now.
	What?
	You want that?
	Wait, Taylor said a good point.
	Now say something that you like about each other.
	One thing that you like about her, one thing you like about him.
	Dude, good point, Taylor Finkel.
	Thank you, Taylor Fingle.
	My plumber husband told me.
	That's what me and my plumber husband do.
	Bring a full circle.
	Show what I like about him.
	Yeah.
	Yes, one thing.
	I think he's smarter than he actually is perceived.
	He's nice of her.
	He's smarter than he perceives himself to be.
	Or maybe he'll get there.
	So you think that I think I'm like stupid?
	No, I think you're very smart, but I don't think you're at the point that you should be yet yet.
	That's nice.
	That's nice.
	That's the most bad thing.
	I don't think she needs more ever.
	I don't think I'm at that point either.
	I don't think I'm at that point either.
	She's rude into you.
	Now tell me.
	Tell me I need to say something nice to see you.
	I gotta say something.
	One thing.
	Your turn.
	And not some.
	Yeah, don't do like a back-handed ass compliment or something like that.
	It's okay if you don't.
	I can take it.
	I'm a big girl.
	I'm proud of you that I think you're sober.
	You think?
	I think.
	She's sober.
	I don't know.
	You seemed a little.
	At the beginning of the show?
	A little, you know.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	You know what I mean?
	Yeah.
	Was that good?
	Was that.
	No.
	Was that good?
	It was okay.
	I feel like you could have done a lot of stuff.
	I think you can do a lot better.
	Hi, guys.
	I like, I honestly, I really do promote sobriety and addiction, all of that, because I've dealt with addiction.
	I've dealt with my family's addiction, everything.
	So I'm sober.
	I have my key tag if you want to see it.
	A few more things before we wrap up.
	And just to finish on that point, I will say that at least when it comes to dating, I want immediate, near immediate.
	How do I normally frame this?
	I want.
	I'm blanking.
	Sorry.
	It's been a long fucking podcast.
	Almost at seven hours.
	Cutting it up.
	That's why people think I'm like, I've got other girls to caught out.
	I'm tired.
	I want, not exclusive.
	I want immediate loyalty.
	No, I'm tired.
	What's that, Nick?
	Yes, thank you, Nick.
	Thank you.
	God damn it.
	I want undivided romantic and sexual attention immediately.
	If your romantic attention is divided, in other words, you're dating other men, I lose interest.
	Is that why yourself goes both ways, though?
	Like, are you willing to be able to do that?
	Are you willing to do the same?
	What do you mean?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Great.
	Yeah.
	Work.
	Perfect.
	Are you still single, Brian?
	Okay, if I was in a relationship, I wouldn't disclose it on the podcast.
	That's all I'm going to say.
	Just figured I'd ask again.
	So, wait.
	Oh, Nick, let's pull up some of the tabs.
	Actually, wait, chats.
	Wait, no, hold on.
	Guys, go to Twitch.
	If you're watching on YouTube, guys, please go to twitch.tv/slash whatever.
	Drop us a follow in the prime sub if you have one.
	Twitch.tv slash whatever.
	Just open up another tab.
	Drop us a follow.
	Drop us a prime sub.
	If you're watching over there on Twitch, drop us a follow.
	Drop us a prime sub.
	Oh, we just hit the seven-hour mark.
	Okay, we're going to definitely wrap up soon.
	Promise, promise here.
	Five minutes, ten minutes.
	What?
	That's why they think I'm off drugs.
	I've been sitting here for six hours, no caffeine.
	Not up at 4 a.m. this morning.
	My flight was at 7 a.m.
	Yeah, literally.
	I have jet lag.
	Like, guys, twitch.tv/slash whatever.
	Drop us a follow.
	If you're on Twitch, just give us a little follow in the chat.
	No food.
	Drop us a prime.
	Yo, Slayer, thank you for the prime.
	Jeremy, thank you for the follow.
	Thank you all for all the follows, guys.
	Oh, okay.
	Oh.
	Also, we need to pull up these chats here.
	EOG Demise.
	Ladies, 304 was short and curly's preference.
	What?
	How they said ladies slash 304.
	Is 304 the stereo code?
	Is that this?
	Yeah, definitely.
	Definitely the error code.
	Short and curly's preference.
	Is this like grooming down there?
	Is that what this is about?
	That's what I'm assuming.
	Yeah.
	So is this.
	He's asking your preference in men?
	Our preference in men.
	Yeah.
	Do you guys have a preference on that front?
	I don't have a preference.
	No.
	I'm grown.
	Don't care.
	You want a jungle?
	I wouldn't be happy with a jungle.
	Okay.
	Thank you.
	Deep diving that jungle.
	Maybe like.
	Into the mic?
	Into the mic?
	Not the jungle, but not the jungle.
	Try not.
	Explore the wilderness.
	I would say trimmed.
	It don't matter to me.
	I do not like it when a guy is bald.
	I like him to be a man and have hair.
	Be a man.
	Yeah, I don't have a preference.
	No preference.
	Ditto with what she said.
	All right, EOG.
	Thank you, man.
	Tommy, Emo Girl is so.
	Actually, let me have you read it.
	Go ahead.
	Go ahead.
	Read it.
	Oh, me?
	Yeah.
	Emo girl is so brain that she made the other girl look like Isaac Newton.
	It was the other girl.
	I'm assuming I'm the only other.
	Yeah, I'm scared of here.
	Thank you.
	But that's kind of rude to her.
	No, you're good.
	W Isaac Newton.
	Yeah.
	He's a very smart man.
	Is this Argentinian?
	I think it's the Argentinian currency, maybe?
	ARS.
	Tommy 500.
	Maybe not.
	Thank you, man.
	Appreciate it.
	Nick, can you pull up the first thing that we're going to react to?
	Oh, guys.
	Okay, this is what you guys might be very curious because I know you guys, you know, given your admissions during the show, I'm sure you're all dying to know what I'm looking for in a woman.
	This is, I think, what's the problem.
	Was this the bowing video?
	Yeah.
	All right, go ahead, Nick.
	Boom.
	Did you see the bow?
	Did you guys see the bow?
	Huge.
	Get the rocks.
	Oh, great.
	Okay.
	We'll read that in a sec.
	The one that had a labia place to get the rocks, question for all, would you date a man who checked out the boxes but was adamantly vegan?
	Just an aversion toward violence to animals in any fashion.
	We'll get to that in a sec, Crocs.
	Here's the video.
	This is great.
	Play it one more time here in just a sec.
	Yo, Slayer GTX.
	Thank you for the gifted 20 subs, man.
	Appreciate it.
	Pull it back up.
	Let's see the bow one more time.
	Look at this.
	Huge.
	Boom.
	Brian, I think, think, though, she probably has had plastic surgery, though.
	Oh, well, I wasn't making.
	I'm not saying like that's the epitome of the physical appearance.
	I think she's an attractive girl, but it was more so the bow.
	It's the massiveness.
	It's the bow.
	Okay, we'll get an Asian girl then.
	She doesn't.
	I'm going to get a white girl to bow to me.
	Or an Asian girl.
	Good luck with that.
	I can.
	Shit, I'll.
	But in terms of the labia plastic to address the comment, I think that's a very bold statement to make because you don't know why I had it done.
	Does that make sense?
	I don't think he was even.
	He just said get the rocks.
	Care to elaborate?
	Yeah.
	I mean, like.
	He just said get the rocks.
	Okay.
	So then let me just shut the fuck up then.
	Based.
	Would you.
	The question is, would you date a man who checked all the boxes?
	But wait, actually, hold on.
	Before we do that, would you guys be willing?
	Great guy.
	Would you be willing if he wanted you to bow for him?
	Would you do it?
	Repeat it, repeat.
	I'm sorry.
	Would you be willing to bow for a guy?
	Would I be willing to bow for a guy?
	Fuck no.
	No?
	Okay.
	Does he bow for me too?
	No.
	He wants you to bow to him.
	No.
	I'm Asian, so I'm down.
	Maybe like a curtsy.
	Can you show us a curtsy?
	No.
	Right now?
	My legs are numb from the way I've been saying this.
	Nice.
	Um, maybe as a joke, but probably not.
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	It's like a sign of respect, though, for Asian people.
	Maybe you have a different view of it.
	It's not so much like a saying.
	It's like respect.
	You know what I'm saying?
	Okay.
	Does that make sense?
	Yeah, no, I don't bow.
	I was thinking of it.
	You wouldn't bow?
	Would you bow?
	Actually, my last relationship, we were in an argument.
	One of our last arguments, he thought he had the upper hand and demanded I got on my knees and bow down to him.
	I said, get out of my house.
	Done.
	Done.
	And I would never do that.
	Men have had bow down to me.
	It's amazing.
	Brian, were you?
	Halfway.
	I feel like you were halfway asking us another question, and then we got interrupted by a super chat.
	And I was.
	Maybe I'm not.
	I'm so tired.
	I know.
	I think all of us have to be able to do it.
	Would you bow?
	Would you bow?
	Oh, there you go.
	Natalie would bow down.
	Natalie.
	You're a different woman by the end of this podcast than you were in the beginning.
	Isn't that like the definition of submissive?
	But, like, in all aspects, you would bow, whether that be, like...
	Isn't that submitting to your...
	Well, I don't...
	It is, but like, that was an Asian woman, and like, that's the stereotype, also.
	But that's also a cultural thing of like respect.
	Cultural.
	Cultural appropriation.
	I don't think that's correct.
	Let's go.
	I'm culturally appropriating.
	I feel like, I don't know.
	I love when people indulge in like Asian culture.
	What's that?
	I don't think there's anything that wrong.
	Yeah, I don't think that's like not.
	Yeah, okay, but instead of.
	White people have bowed throughout the years.
	Hold on.
	No, I'm saying in that scenario.
	I'm not going to.
	Wait, hold on.
	I'm not going to allow you to claim cultural ownership of the bow.
	I didn't expect that.
	You want to start talking about dreads?
	We can talk about dreads.
	Let's talk about dreads.
	You want to talk about dreads or something?
	You want to talk about.
	I don't even know where I'm going.
	I'm just saying, like.
	Never mind.
	We're not going to get into it.
	Would you date a guy who culturally appropriated?
	You're the one that used that term.
	I don't know.
	Going around the table.
	Wait, would you date a guy who culturally appropriated?
	No.
	Like, he just wore kicks.
	Is he educated?
	Is he educated?
	No, I wasn't going to say that.
	I was going to say, like a sombrero.
	Is he educated?
	Like a white guy wearing a sombrero.
	But that's what, like, people don't have that.
	Would that be cultural appropriation?
	Is he educated on the tradition?
	On the history?
	Depends on if it's maliciously intent to culturally.
	If it's you genuinely like a particular style.
	What is it about?
	Would you date a guy who culturally appropriated?
	Depends like how bad it is.
	Okay.
	I mean, if they're trying to be rude and like hurtful, that's a different situation.
	No.
	Like you gave the example.
	You're like, oh, if you wore a sombrero, yeah.
	I wouldn't give a fuck if you wore a sombrero.
	Like just the white whitest guy you know.
	Yeah.
	Just rocking a sombrero.
	I think I'd be genuinely like.
	Sorry.
	Oh no, you're good.
	I need to stop talking, I think.
	Sombreros, that's a Mexican thing, right?
	I'm Hispanic.
	I don't know why you're looking at me.
	Yeah, it's Mexican.
	They wear it in Colombia, too, sometimes.
	Okay, I'm not going to get canceled here.
	Yes, cultural appropriator, would you date a cultural appropriator?
	I think, like I said, if it was not maliciously intended.
	I think if it was just something that he thought was interesting or looked cool or resonated with.
	Okay, all right.
	Good, good, good talk.
	Where were we?
	Oh, we were doing the bow.
	Does anyone object to the bow?
	Like, I'm not.
	I'm not a fan of the bow.
	I wouldn't bow.
	I mean, I wouldn't have to do that.
	Is anybody down to just do a bow right now?
	Not to me.
	Oh, guys, don't do it.
	Can we see a bow?
	No, don't do it.
	Don't do it.
	Don't do it.
	Standing?
	I don't know who's standing in pictures.
	I'm Asian anyway, right?
	Yeah.
	How would that be racist?
	I don't know.
	I don't know.
	I just agreed on that.
	We're the only two Asian people in this room that I know of.
	Oh, no, it's going to get clipped, and it's like I'm asking you to refer to me.
	She just bowed down to him.
	She identifies as a black man, though, so it's okay.
	Right?
	That's what you said at the start of the show.
	You said you were a black man.
	People mistake me for a black man when they hear my name.
	Your name.
	Can I see a bow?
	I identify as milk.
	I don't want to see Gustavo do a bow.
	I would say that for my man.
	Yes.
	If Gustavo bows down to me right now, I will bow down to Gustavo.
	Yes.
	I like this.
	Gustavo, do you want a girlfriend?
	Oh.
	Emmy's looking.
	He's getting the position.
	Who are you bowing down to, Gustavo?
	Let's see it.
	Nope.
	Wow, that was.
	No, Come on.
	Do it for real.
	That's how low he went.
	God, that's so bad.
	I'm sorry.
	Thank you, Gustavo.
	That's really bad.
	What's really bad?
	The bowing down.
	Okay.
	What are the other things, Nick?
	Let's pull up the other thing we needed to do.
	Oh, guys, okay.
	Sorry, but I should have prefaced this.
	We're going to do a segment called Would You Date This Man?
	Would You Date This Man?
	I'm going to show you two guys, two profiles.
	Oh, the bow isn't necessarily showing weakness, as most of you on the panel think.
	It's a symbol of showing respect.
	That's what I said.
	You guys don't really want to bowl.
	They made that very clear and complicated.
	I've said that four times.
	No, we know.
	They called Poopy last week.
	Thank you, Slayer.
	Appreciate it.
	Oh, hold on.
	Jack underscore Playa and he's underscore Chavanti donated $100.
	39 years old.
	Gate cheat is insane after 18 years.
	Friends with benefits isn't ideal.
	Doesn't make you a 304.
	Young ones should listen to you.
	Wisdom takes time.
	Help them.
	Hashtag labia plastine of ear again.
	I can't undo it.
	Thank you.
	I think he's like six hours behind on the podcast, but because he was talking about you.
	It's almost like a fixation, though.
	If you're interested, just go look.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Would you date this man?
	Would you date this man?
	His name is Zach.
	He's a very nice guy.
	He's a friend of mine.
	I'm trying to get him set up with a lady.
	He looks like Nicholas Cage in the first picture.
	He does.
	He has an axe there in the third one.
	Scroll down.
	So he's a great guy.
	Wonderful man.
	Great guy.
	How old is he?
	Not sure.
	He looks like he likes to have a basement.
	Yeah.
	Well.
	Do I nail it?
	Listen, let's not jump to conclusions here.
	Let's just say that.
	So, going around the table, going around the table, would you date him?
	Yeah.
	No, that guy is not my type.
	Not your type?
	No.
	Okay.
	No.
	No, because I don't know if he's funny.
	Let's say.
	No, I wouldn't.
	No.
	Okay.
	No.
	No, I feel like I can outlift him.
	Huh?
	No.
	Okay.
	But I'm not trying to date right now.
	Let me give you a bit more information about who he is.
	His name.
	Oh, God.
	His gamer name is Asmin Gold.
	Oh, he's a gamer.
	He's one of the top.
	Okay.
	He's one of the top streamers on Twitch.
	He owns some companies.
	He's a millionaire many, many times over.
	He's rich, all-around good dude.
	And he's, again, one of the top Twitch streamers.
	Does that change anything for anybody?
	I hear his material items, physical items.
	He could retire you.
	You'd never have to work a day in your life.
	All you have to do is make him steak and bring him his sodas and DoorDash.
	I would burn the steak on accident so it wouldn't work out.
	I don't really care about it.
	Okay.
	All right, Zach, I tried.
	I'm sorry.
	Next one.
	We have another guy here.
	His name is Felix.
	Okay, a little different here, you know.
	Scroll down a little bit.
	All right, this is Felix.
	Yep.
	Okay.
	I think I know him.
	And yeah, Felix, there it is.
	And he's a close friend of mine.
	And we go way back.
	And yeah, you know, he's a good guy.
	He loves animals.
	He's cats.
	I have six dogs.
	Yeah.
	So, would you date this man, starting with you?
	Go ahead.
	Like I said, I'm not looking for someone right now, but yes.
	No.
	Yes.
	Oh.
	You said he was a cat guy?
	I think he likes dogs too.
	Oh, okay.
	Maybe.
	Okay.
	I have a problem with dudes or just people in general where their whole feed is just pictures of selfies.
	I just think it's a little vain or just self-absorbed.
	So no.
	Okay.
	No.
	No.
	Now, does it change anything to know that this person who goes by XQC online, he's one of the top Twitch streamers.
	He signed a deal with a company called Kik for, I believe, what was it, $100 million?
	I've heard of that website.
	Right.
	How much was it, Nick?
	Something like that.
	He signed like a couple-year deal with Kik for $100 million.
	He's rich.
	Wow.
	Successful.
	Status.
	Does it change anything?
	Nothing.
	Exactly.
	Nope.
	I'm sorry.
	I'm sorry, Felix.
	I tried.
	Yeah.
	Felix, I'm interested.
	She did before she knew.
	You're interested?
	I also already knew who that was.
	Oh, you knew who it was.
	I watch him.
	All these are your friends, right?
	Or like acquaintances or like you know them?
	Yes, they're dear friends.
	Where's Sean?
	Pull up Sean.
	Sean, I don't know.
	Oh, Sean, I don't know.
	Sean, we'll have to find it.
	But yeah, so sorry, guys, I tried my best.
	No, I was.
	I didn't know that.
	You said he's not your type.
	What's your type?
	Just curious.
	A man that looks like he's holding up a fish in his skin shoes.
	That's my fucking type.
	Maple syrup is true.
	Someone who owns a bass pro shop hat.
	Flannels.
	She knows what she wants.
	Yeah.
	She knows what she likes.
	Yeah, that's good.
	All right.
	Last thing, Nick, and then we're going to wrap.
	We're going to react to this.
	Is this the girls expect the guys to pay on the first date?
	Can you scroll down worth of money on their face?
	Makeup?
	Yeah.
	Just play it.
	I don't think we need audio.
	Actually, just put the audio really quick just to see if it was.
	Okay, yeah, it's nothing.
	It's going to just replay, so we'll just let it replay.
	So she's adding up all the makeup and all her costs.
	And she's in the caption.
	Wait, oh, she's basically why men should pay for the first date.
	Oh, because of all the makeup she had.
	There's a lot of these going around.
	Yeah.
	I get it.
	I understand.
	And she's adding up the cost, total cost of the products that she's using.
	So this is why.
	It's not a man's responsibility to sponsor a girl's lifestyle, especially if they're just dating.
	I agree with her.
	Yeah.
	I agree with that.
	I also think you're starting the total.
	Total 758.
	Why men should pay on the first date?
	So we've seen it a couple times.
	I'm curious, though, going around the table, I want to start on this side.
	What is the flaw in what she's arguing here?
	What she said.
	Like, it's not up to him.
	Like, it's her.
	She could have gone with no makeup.
	That's her fault for going with a full face of makeup, you know?
	But anybody see the actual flaw with what she's doing?
	Well, I see it.
	That's the expectation.
	What is she bringing to the table?
	And then also for the clout.
	She's clearly doing it for the clout.
	But does anybody see the, like, if you're looking at the math, does anybody see the flaw?
	Like, you're saying she did the math wrong?
	She did it for her.
	She did do it wrong.
	She did do it wrong.
	Okay, all the makeup products that she had, but like, you know, each of the fraction of the price.
	Right.
	That's what I think.
	The makeup has nothing to do with the date, is basically.
	Right.
	It's basically like arguing.
	Let's say I'm a rich man and I bought a Lamborghini, and because I'm picking you up on the date, that means that you now like owe me the cost of the entire Lamborghini.
	It's ridiculous.
	Exactly.
	So that's exactly what I was kind of looking for: is, well, in total, that's what those products cost.
	But if you're using, say, one 100th of it, well, okay.
	And some guy actually did the math and like broke down all that stuff that she was applying, and it came out to like 12 bucks total.
	Perfect.
	Like for per use, I think it was it.
	So, yeah, interesting.
	Girl math.
	Girl math.
	All right, before we wrap, any final thoughts from anybody?
	Any last topics you guys want to hit on?
	I'm tired.
	I think I already asked.
	Tomorrow, Jasmine Jafar and I are filming another episode of Gods of the Women's.
	That's not really related.
	I love how they're so girl.
	What was I going to say?
	Thank you for having me.
	Two last questions here.
	Because I feel like this is important because feminism came up earlier.
	What is a woman?
	Starting with you.
	A soul.
	No, like what is the death?
	What is a woman?
	What is that?
	A soul.
	That's it.
	That's my definition.
	Someone who is biologically female based.
	Or an element.
	Whoever identifies as a woman, because I just, I don't have any.
	So a woman is somebody who identifies as a woman?
	Can you define woman without using the word woman?
	Why are you looking at me that way?
	Why do we have to end it up?
	Because.
	Oh, I don't care.
	I just.
	I care.
	I personally don't have any issue with the whole trans thing.
	So that's where you're going with this, right?
	I was like.
	No, not even.
	I'm just curious.
	I don't really want to go there.
	It's the end of the show.
	Yeah, that's why I answered the way I did.
	Oh.
	Okay.
	We'll just let that go.
	Okay.
	Because we could just go on for what she said.
	No, That's what I mean.
	Well, put it in your own words.
	Go ahead.
	Somebody who identifies as a woman.
	Okay.
	I'm going to say the same thing.
	Somebody who identifies as a woman.
	Are we talking like literal or figurative stories?
	Yeah, I was thinking literal.
	What your personality is.
	I don't know what a woman is figuratively, but literally.
	Yeah, okay.
	Well, I'm just going to say, yeah, somebody who identifies as a woman, yes.
	Somebody who's born biologically female.
	I agree.
	Biological female.
	So a woman is someone who identifies as a woman?
	Can I identify it as a woman?
	Yes.
	If you see that.
	So can I pose this question to the ladies who said that if someone identifies as a woman, then they're a woman?
	How do you feel if you have a daughter and let's say hypothetically she's six and she's going to the bathroom by herself, you're waiting outside?
	Ooh, I don't know if you want to go here.
	I don't know.
	What?
	I know where you're going.
	Like there's a would you not want to protect your daughter and ensure that by having gender appropriate bathrooms for biological making sure she doesn't see certain things while she's in the bathroom.
	Yes, that's just an example that I'm trying to be very waiting outside if that's something that you're concerned about.
	Yeah.
	I don't think I'd wait outside no matter what.
	I think that would be a good idea.
	I think biological women can do business too.
	If I'm bringing a child into this world, I'm going to make sure they're safe 100%.
	Like, I'm sorry, but that's an adult child into a bathroom by herself.
	It doesn't matter the age.
	My point is, would you not want to protect your child, boy or girl, from someone who has ulterior motives in me?
	Why are those people in my house in the first place?
	I'm not saying in public.
	No, I'm saying in public because anyone can identify as anything.
	Yeah, you're right.
	You're right.
	You make a good point.
	That's my only argument: why wouldn't you want to protect children?
	Because they're sick-minded people.
	No, there is sick-minded people.
	And I think that it's important and not to disregard how someone may feel about themselves and how they identify, but for the sake of protecting those that can't protect themselves, I think that it's really important to reinforce biological gender-like norms in society.
	So at what point then are you okay to use a woman's bathroom?
	If you have female parts.
	So if someone looks like a female, then they're okay to use it even if they don't have woman parts.
	Not necessarily.
	Well, how would you know?
	I wouldn't know, but I'm just.
	No, I know, and that's not my place to investigate any person who walks into the bathroom to make sure, like, that's not my point.
	Wait, hold on.
	Let me bring this back to dating.
	Do you think about dating belief?
	You just had to bring this up, like, right before.
	Well, that's why I did this and we could talk about this for hours.
	I can't.
	I can't stay.
	I want to be here until 2 in the morning.
	We're going to rap soon.
	Trust me.
	Like, five minutes.
	Just rapping.
	Five minutes, guys.
	Don't worry.
	Don't worry.
	Relax.
	Okay.
	Do you think would you object to a man not wanting to date a trans woman?
	That's a preference.
	That's something that comes up in dating.
	Yeah, that's a good question.
	I don't think there's anything wrong with that transformation.
	Would you object to that?
	No.
	No.
	Oh, she got up to the bathroom, right?
	No.
	In what context?
	Like, what do you mean, do you object?
	Do you think it would be wrong for a guy to not want to date a trans woman?
	I think anybody could date anybody, as long as they're not hurting anybody.
	Yeah, you don't.
	So you don't object?
	Okay.
	No.
	I don't object to being gay or the LBG.
	No, no, no.
	That's not what I'm asking.
	A man doesn't want to date somebody who's trans because they're trans.
	Do you object to that?
	The reason why I asked you contacts, because I know you've asked this kind of question before and you ask it, would you consider the man gay if he wants to date a lot?
	That's kind of the context of why I was asking you to be specific.
	It's the same premise of asking, like, would you feel a type of way if someone didn't want to date you because you're an only fancy person?
	Like, I don't care.
	Anybody could date anybody if it makes you happy, but you have to, I feel ask a more specific question or have more specific.
	Seems pretty specific to me.
	No, I don't.
	I don't.
	If it makes you happy, no, I don't object at all.
	You don't object to it?
	No.
	Okay.
	Well, it's not, I don't want it to make me happy.
	I don't want to make it happy.
	Well, if it makes the other person happy, I don't care.
	Okay.
	Anybody could date anybody.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Once they're back, I'll ask, once she's back, I'll ask the final two questions and then we'll go from there.
	Well, okay, well, do you think it can be straight for a man to date a trans woman?
	No.
	I don't know.
	You don't want, she doesn't want part.
	Whoa!
	Wow.
	She doesn't want to be part of that conversation.
	Do you think it can be straight?
	Like, is it straight?
	Yeah, because that's a woman.
	I disagree.
	But is it a woman?
	What if they have a penis?
	Okay.
	I could use a strap on.
	Like, let's say, what the fuck?
	Okay, so.
	I'm just saying.
	I guess it's just saying that.
	So if you saw, like, let's say you just, like, had a video and it was like, it was a dude Sing the D of a peen.
	In what world could that ever be straight?
	If it's a woman.
	A woman with a peen?
	Sure.
	They're losing it back there.
	Wait, so hold on.
	It can be straight?
	If it looks like a woman and that's like you're going into it, like, oh, this is a woman?
	Yeah.
	No, I have a caveat.
	If, for example, it's an extremely passing transsexual person, so there's a man and his partner clearly passes as a female in every sense of the word, but she's still fully intact.
	There's some gray area there.
	There's no gray area.
	I could feel like he may be heterosexually inclined because he likes the femininity that she is presenting.
	However, I feel like the sex that they're having is homosexual.
	I think you can't argue against biology and you can say, you know, there's no longer a penis or, you know, there's fake boobs now or whatever, but it's like ultimately it's like the skeletal muscle mass, the muscle density, the size of the organs, the size of the jaw.
	You can't de-transition or transition, sorry, you can't transition beyond certain things.
	The size of a man's hands compared to a woman's hands.
	Sure, there's more feminine aspects of a man, sure.
	Wait, okay.
	Well, there's also extremely feminine men biological men and vice versa.
	Just to open it up to them, too, they weren't here.
	Would you object to a man not wanting to date a trans woman?
	I thought I already answered that.
	Oh, did you?
	Yeah, she did.
	Yeah, I did.
	Taylor didn't.
	I said no.
	Would I object?
	I'd be like, no, you have to fucking like.
	No, but would you find an objectionable difference?
	I wouldn't, I think no one should do something they don't want to do.
	Okay.
	Do you think it could be evidence of some sort of bigotry or transphobia?
	Okay.
	So I guess the question is, though, the final question on that: is it, can it be straight?
	Is the question.
	Yes, I think so.
	It's so definitions, yeah.
	By all definitions?
	By our definitions.
	Your definitions.
	Of what a woman is.
	Like how you asked before.
	Well, so.
	Sorry, I don't want to speak for you.
	It's not clear to me if it would be straight in that situation, though.
	But who here thinks it would be straight for a man to be with a trans woman?
	It could be.
	It could be straight.
	Yeah, okay.
	I don't like labels.
	Okay, your thoughts?
	Not straight?
	Straight?
	I think straight.
	Because they identify.
	You don't know?
	I don't know.
	What was your straight?
	Not straight.
	I think you guys, we know where you guys are on that.
	Well, okay, so for those of you who think it's straight, let me ask.
	Would you guys agree that straight is short form slaying for heterosexual?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	So if we're looking at the sex of the individuals, if they're both male, how could it ever be heterosexual?
	If they were both biologically male, but how could it ever be heterosexual?
	Actually, what's the definition of woman for me?
	And I said someone who identifies as a woman.
	So if a guy.
	Let me even concede that.
	Okay.
	If I even concede that, but you acknowledge that the sex of the individual is still male, correct?
	Biologically.
	Of course.
	That's what sex refers to.
	You're getting sassy.
	I'm not getting sassy.
	Look, it's just.
	He's dumb.
	it's slang for heterosexual okay so if you were to go through gender reassignment surgery then does that make you whatever If no one knew, if no one would ever know the difference, if you were passing enough, would you then be considered a woman or a male, vice versa?
	Well, you can never change your sex.
	I'm saying that to everybody else, right?
	Would you ever know?
	No, but I'm talking about, okay, we're talking about sex.
	I know, but I'm arguing the fact that, okay, just because they have a penis at that point, that's the only thing left that they didn't transition, right?
	Well, I don't think there's any it could be like pansexual or whatever.
	Okay.
	Well, then you get into a gray area with yourself.
	Like, I'm not going to be able to do that.
	But it can never be heterosexual.
	There's no realm where two males having sex can ever be heterosexual or straight.
	It's just, it just definitionally is impossible.
	Again, so like if they had gender reassignment surgery and it was a female, looked like a female, biological female, let me correct myself, sounded like, dressed like everything, looked like, had a vagina.
	That's not a vagina.
	Okay, but you know what I mean.
	Wait, why are you shaking your head?
	I am getting weird.
	Okay.
	All right.
	I just look.
	I'm just arguing the other side.
	I don't think.
	I don't.
	I don't think that you can, if you weren't born with a vagina, I don't think you can make a vagina.
	I don't think that that fits like the anatomically, I don't think it's a vagina.
	Vagina, vagina, vagina.
	It doesn't look exactly like...
	Oh, it's not just the look.
	Oh, my God.
	What?
	Dude.
	This is getting too deep.
	I mean, I'm just.
	I see your point.
	I can't.
	Because at what point then would you be like, yes, that's a female?
	Like, you wouldn't.
	My point is, if you wouldn't know, like, you wouldn't know.
	Sorry.
	Eh, you wouldn't know.
	Not necessarily.
	No, because there have been.
	I was, I can't remember where I was listening to it, but it was about a man who was in a relationship with a woman for three months and he did not know that she was born a biological man.
	He literally didn't know.
	And personally, that's morally wrong because that's just crossing a line.
	I feel that she crossed a line.
	But the point is that he didn't know so I could see her.
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	Uh look, just final thing on this.
	I just I don't think that there's.
	I'm not like, are you saying that I would have to accept as man, I would have to accept a surgically invented vagina as an actual?
	Like I would have to accept that, that that's just the same as a female pussy, like I have to accept that?
	No one ever said that.
	I'm just saying, but you're saying it's the same thing.
	Do we say?
	I mean, at what point do we accept a transgender woman as a woman?
	So that's why I think there's so many gray areas where we could get into this.
	Okay, last question, last question please, please.
	Last question, last question, final question of the show.
	I promise, do we need men?
	No yes fuck yeah yeah, I guess yeah, you guess yeah yeah absolutely oh, I love men.
	Yes yeah, definitely.
	You're the only one who said no, what happened?
	I'm not.
	I'm not gonna give you the knowledge, because that's some very deep, ancient knowledge and i'm not gonna tell you that wait wait, but ancient knowledge.
	You're not gonna give me the.
	Why is that?
	Because you have to find that yourself.
	Do you know how much research that takes to find ancient, hidden books?
	Like about why you all the background thing, never mind, can you name 10 books?
	Name 10 books, I don't get it.
	So you, but you, you said you we do not need men.
	Are the five minutes over?
	What do you?
	What do you mean?
	Because you said we were gonna end in five minutes.
	She should name ten books.
	Maybe, after you name ten books, I can what name ten books and we can wrap Up the show.
	No, like, who the fuck do you think I am?
	I'm not a Wikipedia.
	I'm not, like, dictionary, encyclopedia.
	Like, go Google it.
	I'm not going to give you the books because they're hard to find.
	I found them myself.
	They're hard to find.
	Yes, they're hard to find.
	But can you just name 10 books?
	No, I'm not going to name them because I'm not sure why you can't.
	Name Harry Potter books.
	Witchcraft 101.
	That's the name of the book.
	Who's the author?
	Witchcraft 101.
	There you go.
	That's the name.
	That's the witch's name.
	I don't care about it.
	You don't know the author?
	I don't care.
	You don't know who the author is?
	I don't care about that book.
	Who's the author of the book?
	I don't care about that book.
	Which book do you care about?
	You don't want to know.
	Who's the author?
	I can't tell you.
	I can't tell.
	It's a secret.
	It is.
	It's a witch secret.
	There you go.
	You're learning.
	Yeah, I'm learning.
	Wait, so but go.
	Why do you think we don't need wait?
	Hold on.
	Let me make sure that's not double negative.
	You think we don't need men?
	Why is that?
	Shouldn't you be appreciative of men?
	Do you appreciate men?
	I appreciate men.
	You just said we don't need men.
	I appreciate souls.
	You appreciate souls?
	Well, you just said you don't need men.
	Why is that?
	You said you hate men earlier, didn't you?
	I did.
	Yeah, no, I did.
	And then I said I said out of anger.
	I appreciate men.
	I just don't think we need them.
	That's it.
	You don't think we need them?
	Do your own knowledge.
	That's it.
	Do your own knowledge.
	I'm not going to sit here and explain it to you.
	If you don't understand why, there's a reason why.
	Do you realize how if do you think life would be better if all men just disappeared?
	It's a serious question, but go ahead.
	No.
	No?
	No.
	Oh, but I thought we don't need men.
	Do your own research.
	On what?
	I already said it.
	No, you didn't.
	Just do your own research.
	On what?
	I'm not going to say it on this podcast.
	On the witchcraft?
	I can tell you after.
	That's okay.
	I'm not that interested.
	Okay.
	Then do your own research.
	If not, then don't believe me.
	I don't care.
	I came here to try to spread knowledge, but everyone just keeps shutting each other.
	Hold on, just so I have that clear.
	You came here to spread knowledge?
	Yeah, I tried my best.
	I tried my best.
	Knowledge was at the forefront of what you came to spread on this podcast.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	And awareness, but it's okay.
	Knowledge and awareness.
	Yeah.
	Anything else?
	Any other things you wanted to spread?
	Besides V D?
	Sorry, what?
	Positivity, but that was kind of hard with.
	Yeah.
	What?
	Sorry.
	I said positivity, but that was.
	Wait, you came to spread positivity?
	Yeah.
	I've been kind of negative this entire show.
	Well, no, I was just not trying to react.
	I'm really good at not reacting.
	So.
	You're really good at not reacting?
	Have you been wanting to react this entire show?
	Yeah, of course.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	Huh.
	That's quite the late past my bedtime.
	Just ah man, the moment, the moment passed.
	It's sad.
	It's sad.
	Okay.
	I'm trying to.
	Are we tied for the latest running show?
	We're pretty close.
	I'm going to wrap up here.
	Last thing, guys.
	If you're over there on Twitch, go to twitch.tv/slash whatever.
	Drop us a follow, drop us a prime sub.
	Drop us a follow.
	Drop us a prime sub if you're still watching over there on Twitch.
	I'm going to raid somebody.
	We're going to wrap up there.
	Damn.
	Damn.
	Wait, do you want to?
	I want to get last thing.
	Do you want to ask me the question that you were asking earlier?
	What question?
	You know the one.
	The one as a kid?
	The one, the kid one?
	Or what's wrong with you question?
	Oh, no, the astral, the sign, the birthday?
	I don't know.
	It wasn't that.
	It was something else.
	Chad, am I being a goblin?
	Nick, am I being a goblin?
	I think we just need to sleep.
	Nick, do you know what I'm trying to do?
	I think we need to sleep.
	Am I being a goblin, Nick?
	I feel like it's deserving, but I missed my opportunity earlier on in the show.
	I missed my opportunity.
	I haven't contacted my friends in six hours.
	Oh, no.
	It's been over seven.
	I think.
	Seven?
	I'm not even from here.
	Well, if you can't be sure, we were here at four.
	Yeah, I'm going right back to the airport.
	Oh, I think you were asking me if I got rejected.
	Is that a little bit of a picture?
	Okay, yeah.
	I'm wondering, okay, let's stun back to your childhood.
	As a kid, one.
	Well, no, this is too personal.
	I don't want to know.
	Okay.
	All right.
	All right.
	I missed my opportunity earlier.
	I should have done it earlier.
	I was being greedy and farming, but okay.
	So, guys, last call, hit the like button, please, on your way out.
	Thank you for tuning in tonight.
	You could have been anywhere in the world, but you're here with me.
	I appreciate that.
	Thank you to everyone who super chats, donates, and supports the show.
	We will be live again Sunday, 5 p.m. Pacific.
	Any girls who want to be on the show, DM out whatever on Instagram if you can make it to Santa Barbara.
	Those of you on Twitch, stick around for just a sec.
	I'm going to raid, who am I going to raid?
	I'm going to raid S Fand.
	Give that just a few moments to get going.
	Let's see.
	Thank you to the panel.
	GG, well played.
	I appreciate you guys coming.
	Appreciate your guys' patience here.
	We did go very late.
	I want to mostly blame her for that.
	It's definitely all her fault.
	07s in the chat.
	Please like the video on your way out.
	Those of you on Twitch, I'm going to raid S Fand right now.
	Raiding.
	We're going, we're going, we're going.
	And then that's it.
	So 07s in the chat.
	Let me just make sure double.
	Okay, we got everything.
	Okay.
	Good night, guys.

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