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She Tried To MURDER Tinder Date?! E-GIRLS! SUPER Feminist Returns?! NALA SAVED?! | Dating Talk #144

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	So without further ado, we're going to have the guests introduce themselves.
	So please tell us your name, age, location, so where you're from and occupation.
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	My name is JoJo.
	I'm a full-time student getting my master's in international affairs.
	And I Twitch stream on the side at Kerbafeen.
	All right.
	Welcome back.
	Hi, I'm Julie.
	I'm a full-time student.
	I'm from British Columbia, Canada, and I Twitch stream as well.
	Age?
	25.
	25.
	All right.
	What about you?
	I'm Malia.
	I'm 27 years old.
	I work for an OnlyFans Management Agency, and I also Twitch stream.
	Wait, coming back to you really quick.
	In your pre-show notes to us, you said you're a certified.
	thought it was funny but now i have to answer for my crimes yeah it's because i mean we asked your occupation so why don't you just i just thought it was funny I think when I say it, people are like, what the hell is she doing?
	I didn't state it, so why don't you state it?
	I'm a certified eHor.
	So what is that?
	What is a certified eHorror?
	Slutting out online.
	Slutting out online for attention, money, whatever.
	Lori.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	So OF primarily.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	How do you become certified?
	Is there a course you have to take?
	No, no.
	I certified her.
	You certified her?
	She's certified.
	You work for an agency, right?
	Yeah, we certified her.
	You certified her?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	All right.
	What about you?
	Hi, my name is Nika.
	I'm 23 years old.
	I'm from Dallas, Texas.
	I'm currently a student studying business.
	I'm also a mental health advocate and do some businesses and side jobs here.
	You're a mental health advocate?
	Yes.
	You really did a number on my mental health by being an hour late to the podcast.
	I truly apologize for that.
	And like I mentioned in DM when I was growing up, I did say that I'm sorry.
	I do believe that punctuality is very important.
	Very important.
	Yeah, of course.
	Do you think punctuality is important?
	I do believe that.
	So how would you mentally advocate?
	Your mental health advocate, you said?
	How would you advocate for me to regain my mental health after this rather egregious?
	I'm not a mental health professional.
	Oh, okay.
	I'm going to call you a therapist.
	I'm sorry.
	Okay, I see.
	Yeah, bad.
	I think I do.
	I probably need that.
	Okay, what about you?
	My name is Kylie.
	I'm 30.
	My name is Kylie.
	You were an hour and 30 minutes late.
	Kindly speaking to the microphone, thank you.
	I'm 34.
	I was an hour and a half late.
	Yep.
	Say it again.
	So I am a bartender, a yoga teacher.
	Oh my God, who the hell cash?
	And I'm here training for Game Day Men's Health.
	It's a men's health optimization clinic.
	Men's health?
	Like men's mental health?
	No.
	Just men's health in general?
	Sexual health.
	Their sexual health.
	Like testosterone therapy, like an alternative to medications for dealing with hormonal issues for men.
	Like what is that?
	Like, what's the other form?
	So a lot of men have a lot of trouble getting women pregnant or they deal with dysfunction issues.
	Sure, ED.
	Yeah.
	And so it helps men climb up out of those situations without having to take a medication.
	You're about a foot away from the microphone.
	Take a medication or anything like that.
	You know what I mean?
	Fall into a depression.
	You can screw your chair into the table.
	I feel like I would, maybe you could, like, I would get ED if a woman was an hour and a half late to like a date or a podcast.
	Okay.
	And I would.
	She can give you like a discount.
	Like coupon.
	No, I'm good.
	I'm good.
	I ended up here, and that's just what happened.
	And I apologize.
	You can, at the end, we'll reevaluate, okay?
	Wait, you guys came from LA too, right?
	And you guys were perfectly on time.
	Thank you guys for being punctual.
	So that makes sense, right?
	They're from the area.
	They understand the traffic.
	They understand how the city works.
	It's quite different from Florida.
	You have to account for it.
	It is.
	What do you mean by that?
	Yeah.
	What do you mean it's different from Florida?
	You guys have tons of traffic.
	It takes a lot longer to get from a shorter distance.
	Didn't you?
	Wait, where's Ocean?
	She said she's coming from Oceanside, correct?
	That's further away than that.
	That's further south.
	It was over three and a half hours.
	I was on the road.
	Okay.
	Oceanside's far.
	Yeah, it's more.
	And I just flew here from Florida.
	I got here at 9:30 this morning.
	So, in my defense, I'm sorry.
	She's from Canada.
	She came from Canada.
	I had you guys with me.
	How about that?
	That's further than Florida.
	All right.
	Yeah, punctuality is important, but also like honesty and owning up to the fact that we were late.
	Like, okay.
	There wasn't much accountability.
	Like, there was not much accountability.
	So, this is my accountability.
	Like, it wasn't that I came here.
	I came here for training for another job.
	Like, but I really enjoy watching this podcast, and I think it's important for men and women to have conversations.
	And I do.
	Hopefully, the conversations start on time, though.
	I think that's typically an important component of, you know.
	But to be fair, you are like the latest person we've ever had.
	We made an like, we could have just not even let you on the show.
	I went to a Baptist school until eighth grade, and they paddled me.
	That's relevant.
	They paddled you.
	You did paddle me.
	Because you were late all the time.
	Is this like a recurring theme in your life?
	Your lack of punctuality.
	No, it is not.
	It's not often that I fly into California for a podcast.
	I apologize.
	All right.
	Maddie, what about you?
	My name is Madison.
	Living Underscore donated $100.
	Thought the girl was a female.
	Heard her talk about testosterone replacement, and now I'm fully convinced.
	Let's see that Adam's Apple girl.
	Thank you, Living.
	Appreciate it.
	Do you want to respond to his accusations?
	It's fine.
	Allegations.
	Do you want to dispel?
	He's calling me a lot of people.
	I mean, I'm not going to show him my vagina.
	I think we're good on that one.
	It's gotten so serious.
	What's it going to take to prove to somebody?
	Right?
	Oh, you could just say, no, I'm a woman.
	I am a woman.
	There you have it.
	All right, Madison, what about you?
	Madison, 19.
	I'm from San Diego, California.
	I work for the Red Ever Podcast, and I'm a full-time student at Santa Barbara City College studying business and communication.
	All right.
	Welcome, Madison.
	I'm Lydia.
	I'm 21, and I am a spokesperson and social media content coordinator for Students for Life America.
	And I'm also a full-time student at Campbell University in North Carolina.
	All right, welcome.
	Matthew Gallagher, 38, live in LA, and I'm a CEO.
	All right.
	Of what?
	What are you the CEO of?
	Give us some details.
	Well, I have the world's largest watch club.
	It's called WatchGang.com.
	Shout out.
	Shout out to watchgang.com.
	Thank you for coming.
	He's the CEO.
	We give away a Rolex every Friday.
	There you have it, folks.
	Whoa.
	There you go.
	Wait, sorry, your age again?
	I'm 21.
	21.
	Got it.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Do we linger on the punctuality thing?
	No.
	Like, honestly, we can have way more better interesting conversations.
	This is Marcy.
	I kind of rail that other girl out for not coming, and I was like, well, I cannot not come.
	That's for sure.
	Okay, all right.
	We're going to go around the table.
	Off to a great start, right, guys?
	Typical.
	All right, guys.
	Going around the table once more.
	Current relationship status.
	Single talking stage, situation ship, friends with benefits, relationship married, polycule, sex cult, whatever it may be.
	If you're single, how long have you been single?
	And what's the longest relationship you've ever been in?
	Go ahead.
	Single for over two years, longest relationship four years.
	Any prospects since your appearance?
	Since last time?
	No.
	Well, I mean, prospects are, yes, people have slid into my DMs, but it's not.
	Nothing.
	I'm still the same opinion.
	Can I just pull your microphone to the edge of the table, scoot it this way?
	Yeah, perfect.
	What about you?
	I'm in a long-distance relationship for about seven months now, but my longest relationship was five years.
	Five years.
	Okay.
	Long-distance relationship.
	Where does he live?
	Texas.
	He's in Texas, and you're in Canada.
	When's the last time you saw him in person?
	December?
	In December?
	Yeah, I'm going to go see him next month, though.
	How did you guys meet?
	Online.
	Online?
	He twitch streams as well.
	He's a Twitch streamer.
	Are you able to disclose who he is?
	It's irrelevant.
	He does like political content.
	Hassan?
	No, irrelevant.
	Irrelevant?
	Irrelevancy username.
	Oh, that's his name?
	His name's irrelevant?
	Yeah.
	Interesting.
	He's irrelevant, yeah.
	Sorry.
	Well, my podcast is called Whatever Podcast.
	Wait, so you guys met online?
	What's his political leanings?
	Like, probably left, I guess.
	Probably left, you guys?
	Yeah, left.
	It's very far left.
	My bad.
	So, like, when you say very far left, are we talking he's a socialist?
	Progressive, leftist?
	What do we mean?
	I don't know.
	Probably progressive, leftist.
	I don't know about socialism, though.
	I mean, you've been dating him for seven months.
	Yeah, we don't talk about politics that often.
	Really?
	So, like, what if you're like full-blown, like, super far-right conservative?
	I don't know if that's the case for you, but wouldn't that be a mismatch, you think, of values?
	Yeah, I mean, I guess we've talked about them, but not enough for him to tell me exactly what he is.
	Okay.
	All right.
	And who contacted who?
	He was a chatter in my chat for a while.
	Okay.
	So I guess he contacted me.
	He was a chatter?
	Did he?
	Wait, hold on.
	Whoa, So fanboy.
	I think I just exposed him to accident.
	So was in addition to him being a chatter in your Twitch chat, was he also subbing to your OF?
	No.
	No.
	definitely not would that have been like would you if he was so do it i'd be a little weirded out probably Why is that?
	I think probably people who subbed to my OF probably would treat me differently than people who are just in my Twitch chat.
	They'd look at me differently, for sure.
	Okay.
	So he reached out to you through the Twitch chat.
	Like, he hit on you in the Twitch chat?
	No, he didn't hit on me.
	He would be in my Twitch chat, like, talking to me, and then he rated me, and then I thanked him for the rate, and then we just kind of started talking from there.
	How many times have you guys met up in person?
	Like, three times?
	Three times?
	Okay.
	Unique.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	I'm single.
	Still haven't been on a date.
	Still.
	No dates since your last appearance.
	Still celibate.
	Still been single for 2.5 years.
	2.5 years.
	My longest relationship was three and a half years.
	Three years.
	Why are you guys single?
	I don't, like, it's not that you're single currently, but you've been single for such a long period of time.
	We are insufferable.
	I'm just kidding.
	No, I don't know.
	So why are you framing a question like singles being like not good?
	No, I would like a boyfriend.
	Right.
	Well, there you go.
	There's a problem then.
	And I wouldn't because I, again, it's just, I want to finish school.
	I feel like that's just.
	You said you're, if I recall, you said you were getting your master's in what?
	International affairs.
	International affairs.
	Okay.
	Public policy.
	Policymaking.
	So you, wait, you've been celibate for how long?
	It's been almost two years, yeah.
	Okay.
	You also?
	Have you been celibate too?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	For a few months.
	Yeah.
	A few hours.
	That's crazy.
	Wait, for real though?
	No, I'm just kidding.
	It was like a week ago?
	No, I haven't slept with a wheel.
	Oh, wait.
	Hold on.
	You totally revealed it.
	No, no, no.
	It was like a week ago.
	No, I didn't remember anything.
	I haven't slept.
	Well, when we see the fifth, when we say body count, it's going to be the same because I haven't slept with anyone.
	Okay.
	All right.
	What about you?
	I'm currently single and I'm not really looking to get a boyfriend per se.
	Like I would like to go on dates or would go.
	I'm like casual.
	Can you close the club?
	But it's more so like focused just because I'm doing full-time school, doing like 30 hours work when my job and business and I am also doing like so many different projects and hobbies that it's just kind of in my schedule.
	Okay.
	So you've been single for how long?
	Hold on.
	I need to know what the blank is going on with Madison Herald is not being represented properly.
	Okay.
	That's a cool helmet.
	I think it's great.
	Yeah.
	It looks amazing.
	Okay, cool.
	Thank you guys.
	So you've been single for how long?
	Since 2021.
	2021?
	Yeah.
	Wait, was that the event?
	Was that the occurrence?
	Shall we, Nick, do you want to pull up the New York Post article?
	Do you know what I'm talking about?
	Is that, you've been single since the occurrence?
	Yes, to the question.
	Wait, Madison, can you read this?
	Make sure it's only a left-wing beta cuck with a certified E. You can have her, man.
	Once again, off to a great start already.
	I knew I smelled fish in the air.
	Just a whatever pod.
	Welcome to the whatever podcast.
	Okay.
	I'm good with that.
	That's a good one.
	It's funny.
	Where were we?
	Oh, longest relationship?
	Like a year.
	One year?
	Just for context, people, we've had, I've been mercilessly roasting Nika here, but we've had her on the show before.
	Despite her.
	Just pull up the article.
	Pull up the article.
	You might remember her, she's, um...
	Oh.
	You stabbed a hookup.
	Can you give us the happy to explain it?
	Yeah, yeah.
	Do you want to give us the plot synopsis on the story?
	Yeah, earlier in the podcast, I mentioned I'm a mental health advocate.
	And in life, not everybody's going to be perfect.
	People are going to make mistakes.
	The mistakes might be small, it might be like you forgot your keys at your house.
	It might be a mistake that I did at the level that I did.
	It's definitely not something that I'm proud of, but I did have a situation in which I wasn't taking my prescribed medications.
	And with inclusion of drugs and alcohol, again, not an excuse, just providing context.
	Those kind of situations, especially as someone who is suffering from bipolar and schizophrenia, is kind of challenging in a way because it puts you in an unstable mood.
	And for those who don't know, the hallucinations or the delusions that people have with those conditions are very real.
	And sometimes it's very hard to distinguish what is real.
	Yeah, yeah.
	So tell us what happened.
	Right, for sure.
	So I was in Las Vegas and I moved there to pursue my music career.
	And I ended up chatting with a guy over on a Plenty of Fish app and it ended up just progressing.
	And we ended up wanting to, he picked me up to go to a hotel for like a date.
	And going from there, it was just, you know, sorry, I'm like trying to compose myself because it's kind of hard.
	But I ended up, we were having like sexual intimacy in a way.
	And I did harm him and stab him twice in the neck during sex.
	Did he die?
	No.
	I was going to be really volatile towards one another.
	Bro, she met him on a dating app.
	There was no relationship.
	That was a fun hallucination.
	Yeah, you said that.
	Yeah, like, that's why I was like, let me provide the context person and I'll say it.
	Because I'm like, people deliberately.
	Did you bring the knife into the bed preparing for that?
	I mean it was a hotel room so I had my knife in my bag and just for cut because of like security and like Vegas is like kind of dangerous and people told me that so I never had like intentions to just go up there and just like I don't know but like given the mental health aspect and the hallucinations and the delusions I had it kind of led up to that nothing against him but you know sometimes you're not in the right space and you end up creating harm.
	Did you go on a second date with him?
	I did not.
	Like did you get in trouble?
	Like did he press charges?
	Anything?
	Yeah you were arrested right?
	Yeah and there's a case.
	It was a news article.
	Of course things happen.
	Yeah so like the case is closed now.
	Is it because of mental health?
	Like when you stab like what did he do when you stabbed him?
	Wait, oh what did he like is the framing of the question what did he do to deserve it?
	No, both honestly both after like 100% my delusions, my hallucinations, there wasn't anything that he done that like, you know, we had like conversations in the car and like anything that would like would trigger me.
	Like I would see a sloth machine for some reason the lights would like be blinking and it would just make me upset.
	So you could have like the most regular conversation with me and I would just get upset and mad like for no reason.
	And then what did he do after this happened?
	Yeah, so the first poke I guess, he didn't do anything and then the second time he started he got up and like started choking me.
	But obviously self-defense.
	Oh.
	Yeah.
	Well like how did like did you get it were you in jail like what was the consequences of it?
	Because you are like mentally ill like were you able to not go to I guess Peace Center jail?
	Did you be corrected?
	I was.
	I did.
	I did go to jail, I bailed out and then had my case going on and then I ended up taking a plea deal to to counsel false imprisonment, which I'm serving probation for currently.
	And just for clarification, when I, when the news articles are reporting like twice in a nick stab, that was it.
	That's a wording that I used when the police were inter, were interrogating and like interrogating me.
	But when you look at the evidence in the pictures, the wounds were so minor that he didn't go to the hospital again.
	Totally not okay to like.
	Even the smallest wounds are not okay.
	But just for clarification purposes, the word stab was involved in the case because of my words.
	Why did the the news article mention Solemani as like like?
	Did it say that you stabbed him in like revenge against that or um yeah because like, after the incident, the police were questioning me too.
	You know um, like typical, like I guess that's how they do like certain cases, but um, because of the, The hallucinations and the delusions I had.
	I just ended up saying things that I didn't truly believe in.
	I don't know if you've seen Homeland, Carrie from Homeland, but she has the same, she has like, for anybody who's seen it, she has bipolar disorder, and you can kind of see it in that context.
	And she plays a role that is involved in movies and different interrogations between international relations.
	And I really thought that I was like, I had to say that, or like I said it.
	Obviously, my words, it's on a video, take it back, but just for purposes of the podcast or like just anybody watching, 100% do not support Solomoni or anything.
	You were in an altered state, and what you told the detective or investigator, you told him that you attacked this Tinder date who you just met as a revenge for the killing of the Solomon.
	How do you pronounce his name?
	Is that accurate?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	And so you were arrested.
	How long?
	But you said you bailed out.
	How long were you in jail?
	I was in jail for six weeks.
	Oh, six weeks.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	But also, like, I bailed that immediately, but I had to stay there for six weeks because the judge didn't think I was mentally competent enough to stand trial.
	So I had to go through like psychological evaluation and competency hearings to like to even before they even proceed with my case to see if I'm competent.
	Okay.
	And so the trial, you took a plea deal, and part of that plea deal, it got pleaded down to what was the two counts of false imprisonment.
	Two counts of false imprisonment.
	And you no jail time.
	No prison time, correct?
	It's suspended under probation, yes.
	How long, how much probation did you get?
	So it's like three to five years, but like, I mean, it's the context depends on the fact that.
	Nick, could you pull up that there's an article of a California woman who was in a weed-induced psychosis, and she, using her words, poked her boyfriend.
	She deleted him and also attacked her dog.
	And she got off on probation.
	Can you?
	I don't know, just whichever.
	LA Times typically has blocks or whatever.
	You got it?
	I got it.
	USA.
	If there's any paywalls, it's not going to go through.
	Just, can you pull it up?
	I believe I've seen it, maybe, but maybe.
	Exile that thing at the top, please.
	Scroll up.
	No, like make it bigger.
	So this is a somewhat similar case, sort of.
	She stabbed a man 108 times and got probation.
	Okay.
	What to know about Ken.
	She's on weed, I guess.
	Killed a man and harmed, grievously harmed a dog.
	Now, we kind of talked about this on the previous show.
	I'm not going to linger on it too long, but if we put a man in your position, if we put a man in that woman's position, the California woman who killed her boyfriend, she got off on probation, bro, there would be significantly long prison sentences.
	So that's like the most insane example of female privilege I've ever seen.
	I mean, I've mentioned it in the previous context, like the podcast, but it's very context-specific.
	There's many different factors that play into it, like previously.
	There's no scenario where I'm going to back on history.
	Doesn't matter.
	It does doesn't matter.
	Can you not interrupt in respect when I'm speaking?
	Well, as the host, I will gladly interrupt you whenever I feel like it.
	Okay, well, if you ask a question, then let me know.
	But it's such an absurd statement to say, like, a man, the same lack of criminal history, if a man were to have sliced his tender date, if a man were to have deleted his girlfriend, there would be like very long prison sentences.
	There wouldn't be probation.
	There wouldn't be 100 hours of community service, whatever it is.
	It's fucking crazy.
	Yeah, go ahead.
	Okay.
	It's very context-specific, like your previous criminal history, what kind of court you were in, the specific state.
	Many different state and judges have like different laws and regulations.
	But also, I think one thing that's really important is to consider that sentencing in the justice system is one factor of the entire justice system.
	If you look at different things, like the amounts of death that happen in prisons, 29% of women are harmed or died in a prison or jail more than a man would.
	And this was the study that was done.
	I would have to look at this statistic, but there's no, are you making the argument that female prisons are less safe than male prisons?
	Is that clear?
	I haven't done the research on what specific factor is.
	But I do know that for sure women are more likely safe.
	Women are more.
	Have you seen prison, like any prison documentary?
	I have my phone there.
	If you want me to pull up the study, I'll bring it.
	I would argue.
	Oh my.
	Bro, this is like the most.
	Repeat it one more time.
	Like, I'll gladly bring it to you.
	Like, it's a study that was done, and it said, like, women are more likely to die or get harmed in a prison than men are.
	That is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.
	Women in prison are much more safe than men in prison.
	I mean, I would bring the study now, but you have your regulations and stuff about the podcast, and I want to be respectful because phones being there, but after a show or whatever.
	Yo, I'm actually curious.
	There's no way.
	I mean, Nick, you can Google it.
	It's plausible because, like, what if there's more.
	Holy fuck.
	No, I was going to say, what if there's no more?
	What if it's more like there's more security or something?
	My argument.
	I don't know.
	I wouldn't know, but maybe.
	My argument is that women are affected differently by going to prison versus men.
	Like, when women go to prison, they're more likely to maybe reform and do something about their lives versus men.
	It takes maybe a longer sentence or something harsher to teach them the lesson that makes them change.
	What's that movie with Nikolai Kaldu?
	Who's the guy from Game of Thrones who played Jamie Lannister?
	What's that movie he's in?
	Anybody know?
	No.
	No.
	What's that?
	Anybody in the chat?
	The movie with Jamie Lannister from Game of Thrones, Nikolai?
	Shot Collar.
	Bro, imagine they made that movie, but like, flip the genders.
	There's no way, dude.
	There's no way.
	That's ridiculous.
	I'm sorry.
	I don't have to.
	So going back to the point, it's just like the justice system.
	You have your sentencing, you have the experience in prison.
	Like, there's different things that are considered things that you would want to look at when you are trying to see if a certain gender is preferred or not.
	But yes, sentencing, that might be the case, but in different sense.
	You were there for six weeks?
	Yes.
	Did you see any violence or anybody get harmed while you were there?
	Yes.
	Did you get harmed?
	I did not.
	But, you know.
	You mentioned unsafe.
	What was like the safety issue that you saw?
	Like fights being taken, like breaking out, people just like.
	You see anybody like it shanked or something?
	Like, honestly, I'm not going to go into detail on that, but there was like fights that I saw or people just getting pulled out and put in separate different areas.
	Or, you know.
	Yeah, the study doesn't sound plausible.
	I mean, I would want to see it.
	No, did you Google this?
	I wanted to see that for sure.
	Did you Google this?
	I was extinct in high school, my freshman year, after coming from Baptist school.
	I also feel like there's a big difference between saying big officials.
	Yo, Nick, the audio is muted.
	Is a man could get the death sentence in a state that allows it if he did that crime she did to the man like omg Yo, James, thank you for the TTS Sorry that we missed the beginning of it.
	I'm studying criminal justice.
	A man could get the death sentence in a state that allows it if he did that crime, so she did to the man, like OMG.
	I think there was another $100 there.
	Yo, we missed Nick.
	Why was the audio muted?
	All right, here, I'll re-trigger it.
	I'm not trying to be blank here, but if the roles were reversed with the same mental issues, the man would face a harsher sentence in jail or prison.
	Thank you, Bender the Offender.
	Appreciate it.
	And a response to that.
	I 100% agree with you, Bender the Offender.
	Yeah.
	Sorry.
	Okay.
	So a respond to that.
	You know, obviously mental health played a really big significant factor, but I also had zero criminal history, was doing really well in school.
	And the Bronaissance donated $100.
	Is Jojo going to auction the chair she's sitting on, asking for a friend, say Christ is Lord?
	Who's Jojo?
	That's me.
	Oh, oh, gosh.
	Okay.
	I'm just starting again.
	He's back.
	How much.
	Wait.
	The Bronaissance.
	Actually, I think he DM'd me on Instagram.
	I'll sell it to you for like $5,000.
	I think she should get it.
	$10,000.
	She should get it cut.
	Can I get like mission on it?
	She should get it cut.
	She should get it cut.
	I'll buy you a hamburger.
	Come on.
	I was just going to say something and now.
	LLLL.
	Donated $100.
	Question for the ladies.
	Would any of you date Brian?
	Also, 777 decillion 777.
	No nillion, 777, noctillion, 777, septillion, 777, sextillion, 777, quintillion, 777, quadrillion, 777 trillion, 777, 777, 777,777.
	Name 10 books.
	How long is this?
	Name 10 books.
	Which one do you want to answer?
	Okay, I'll just have you name 10 books and then you can answer the first question.
	Okay.
	Like Child called it the Bible.
	People magazine.
	People magazine.
	Giving tree.
	Lord of the Rings of the book series.
	Do you want me?
	I can name franchises too?
	Harry Potter.
	That's good.
	Good job.
	Proud of you.
	Thank you so much.
	Hunger Games.
	Why am I blanking on the book?
	Is it fine?
	The Bassoon King.
	Negotiations and Strategies.
	It's beautiful.
	Doing great.
	Keep going.
	Thank you.
	Born a crime.
	All right.
	We'll ask the question.
	We'll go around the table on it.
	I was pretty much a massive asshole today, so I'm pretty sure it's going to be a no-go.
	But the TTS asked, would you date me?
	I don't know you behind the scenes enough.
	Yeah.
	So, but maybe if you're like a super cool person behind the scenes, like I'm not.
	I'm probably not.
	You're not like super cool.
	Oh, okay.
	I'm so glad I'm not dating donated $100.
	If it is going to auction, I would love to put in my offer.
	Upon acquiring it, I would immediately donate it to Jay Butler for research purposes.
	I'm sure the amount of data would be astounding.
	Okay.
	Thank you, man.
	Yeah, you're welcome to.
	Maybe we'll do like an eBay auction or some shit.
	I don't know how to do it.
	What's the big?
	What's the company that does the auctions for really expensive art pieces?
	Is it Masterworks?
	Sothabies?
	Oh, Sotheby's.
	Sothabies, is that the auction?
	Wait.
	What's the one?
	Sotheby?
	Is it Sothabies that does like the here's the Leonardo da Vinci for $100 million?
	Sothabies.
	Okay.
	Oh, yeah, I guess you can answer.
	Besides the fact that I'm in a relationship, I also don't know anything about you, so no.
	Okay, you guys are being nice.
	All right, you guys are being nice.
	Okay.
	You're really quite nice all around, my general experience.
	I know people give me shit.
	People give me a lot of shit for coming on this podcast, but I'm like, they're really good hosts.
	They're really respectable.
	They're really nice.
	Darkoman42 donated $100 from PBS while women comprised 16.1% of all jail deaths in 2018.
	That has increased from 10% in 2000.
	Article is called Why More Women Are Dying in Jails.
	It's Not More Than Men.
	Hmm.
	Oh, this is like I don't remember it being from PBS.
	Oh Oh, you know what this reminds me of?
	If any of you guys are aware, there was this article about how female journalists, there was an increase, like a greater percentage increase in female journalists' deaths, like if they're in a war zone, for example.
	But it was very like, this is how feminists will like fucking mangle the truth.
	90% of all the deaths, of all deaths by journalists, were male.
	But because there was like from one year to the next year, there was like a slight increase in the female deaths, they used, huh?
	I think I have it.
	Okay, the one I'm referencing?
	Yeah.
	In 2021, the percentage of women among all journalists killed almost doubled, rising to 11% from 6% the previous year.
	Wait.
	Percentage of women among all.
	So it's like, well, okay, who's the other 89%?
	Men.
	So it's like, it's, oh, there's, oh, Nick, could you Google, there's this one in five homeless are women.
	Can you Google that one?
	It's just like, Well, okay, four out of five homeless are men.
	You got that one?
	The world doesn't care about men, unfortunately, right now.
	It might just be a wait, did we miss one of the TTSs?
	Or no, it came through, right?
	I'll read it.
	So the system decides to let you free so the woman's death rate in jail would not increase, so now you are roaming with innocent people daily.
	And if the lights flicker, you may poke again?
	I don't think that's the case because I've also my treatment regimen.
	I see a therapist and a psychologist regularly, but also I'm in school and I had a 4.0 last semester and I'm working with my businesses and stuff.
	So if you can improve from a mistake and learn what you should have done in the first place and improve on that and make a drastic change in your life, I think why not?
	Yeah, I mean, that's good.
	I almost don't want to linger on it too long because it's such an absurd topic, but this idea that women's prisons and jails are more violent than men's prisons is just, it's ridiculous.
	Like, you can even probably look at the statistics, okay, who's more likely to be assaulted in jail?
	Who's more likely to be killed in jail?
	And then just even go look.
	There's like dozens of these prison shows, jail shows.
	Look at the conditions in the male prisons and compare them to the conditions in the female prisons.
	Like California, the racial segregation in the prisons is insane.
	Like the racial politics in the prison.
	I don't know if, I don't think there's a corresponding racial politics in California prisons when it comes to women.
	Right, but also the studies are like what we pulled up was that, or whoever sent that message, said that more women are like dying or from the different studies that compare to men, but it didn't specifically say that it's because of the violence.
	Like she mentioned, it might be like due to mental health and different women and men are biologically built differently, so experience of a prison is going to be significantly different between the people.
	You think it's harder for women in prison than for men?
	Yes.
	Holy fuck.
	It's different.
	It's different.
	I don't even know how to tackle.
	It's such an absurd position.
	Like in a dating world, you would say like just for theoretical purposes, you would want like an alpha male who's very confident, at going, that leader, and the woman is supposed to be the submissive, the one that is able to like be caring.
	And you know, so I guess what I'm trying to say is even in like a different context, there's always going to be a difference in how women and men are within their traits when it comes to their experiences and different conditions, like etc.
	So the percentage you said before, I think we all took that as like they're physically being harmed or killed at a higher rate than men.
	But are you saying that they experience it in a harsher manner because they're not like equipped for it mentally?
	What I'm saying is that that specific study didn't say X amount of percentage was from direct violence.
	X amount was from mental health specific things they might have done in prison.
	Or I'm just saying like there's different ways that you could be harmed in prison that is not directly correlated to like direct violence as Ryan was mentioning.
	Because he mentioned like the conditions of the prisons, but I'm like, okay, well, that might be the case, but the harm and the death might not be directly correlated.
	Or the study is unsure of like the direct percentage.
	It was just looking at the percentage of deaths in women's prisons and men's prisons.
	So what was the word they used to generalize?
	Like, did they just say are less safe?
	That percent of women are less safe?
	Or what was the word they used in the study?
	I mean, I kind of really want to pull it up, but like, more women die in prisons than men do.
	You're saying death or harm?
	Death.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	You lost me on that.
	Because, I mean, they definitely don't die at higher rates than men.
	I mean, you know, you kind of make a point about women not like tolerating prison as well.
	Like, that kind of makes sense.
	But if you're talking about physical violence and deaths, I wouldn't see how that could be.
	I could maybe believe harm because women probably self-report more, but I don't think death would end up with much longer sentences.
	So they're going to be dying more, I feel like.
	Yeah.
	Men are harsh in prison.
	Acting like I've been there before.
	Are you saying true?
	Only way I could see this being a true statue is if they are counting trans women killing in women's prison.
	Either way, this is a wild claim.
	It's super wild.
	I mean, if you even look at these prison documentary shows, what's the popular one?
	Does anybody know the name of that show?
	Like.
	For women?
	No, there's like a fucking show.
	It's been on for prison 20 years.
	It talks about, it like goes into the prisons.
	And like, man, it's just totally uncomparable.
	It's such a wild claim.
	Like, I don't even know how to fucking address it.
	I guess we're just going to disagree, and I'll show you the link after the show.
	So I don't know what else to do.
	I mean.
	Okay, so let's start here.
	Is your position that per capita, more women are physically assaulted?
	Because you agree that there's...
	Can you define what you mean by per capita?
	Like what are you like looking at?
	Okay, do you acknowledge that there's more men in prison than women?
	So if we're looking at the total numbers, there's obviously more men, more men in total that are physically harmed in prison.
	Right.
	Or do you disagree even with that?
	I don't disagree with that.
	Okay, so for example, per capita.
	Okay.
	Let's say there's let's say there's a prison with 100 men and then there's a prison with 10 women.
	So if 10 men and one woman get harmed, that would be equal 10% of the population, but there's still more men that are harmed.
	Is that what you're talking about?
	Are you talking per capita?
	If it's percentage, he makes a great point.
	It's percentage, yeah.
	Okay.
	Also like even percentage, though.
	Even per capita.
	Right, but I'm just making sure we're talking about the same thing.
	I would argue though, per capita, there's no way that female prisons are more violent than male prisons.
	Have you been there?
	No, I've not been to a female prison.
	I mean, you literally said all you saw was fights.
	You think men in prison don't fight?
	No, I was just curious.
	Like, you're so passionate about it, so I thought maybe you have some experience there.
	No, it's just like, it's...
	Women are way more likely to use manipulative tactics and things like that versus physical violence.
	Especially in a setting like prison.
	Like men are going to reduce to like bumping heads versus women are going to like do things.
	We're just going to move on because this is going to eat up too much time.
	But I mean, that's an absurd claim.
	All right.
	Oh, I think the last thing on that just was I have all the questions, I think.
	I'm in a situationship for the last year.
	It used to be long distance, but he just moved back into my town.
	And then before that, I was with kind of my best friend from high school, like college sweetheart, on and off for like 13 years.
	And then a big chunk in the middle there, off.
	A big chunk in the middle off of that relationship.
	So you've been single for how long or you're in a, sorry, you're in a talking.
	I've been single for, yeah, I'm in a talking stage.
	So I've been single for about since like 2020.
	But you're in a talking stage.
	Yeah.
	That's been going on for how long?
	Like 10 months.
	He used to live in Texas.
	He worked on an oil rig, so he would like come into town every so often.
	Okay.
	What's your longest relationship?
	Like straight through five years?
	Five years, okay.
	The final point on that, and I think I pulled it up, is the, what's it called?
	I'll just restate my position.
	In your case and in that woman's case, the California woman who deleted her boyfriend, again, flip the genders.
	If men were to do that, they would be, they wouldn't get off on probation or community service.
	Just saying.
	But we can agree to disagree.
	Okay.
	What about you, Madison?
	I'm in a relationship.
	My current one is my longest.
	It's been a year and a half, a little over.
	All right.
	What about you?
	I'm currently engaged to, thank you, my fiancé, who I met online in high school.
	So I've been with him the longest.
	I've known him for about four years, but we've been dating for three.
	Three years.
	Okay.
	All right, Matt, what about you?
	I am single for the past month or so.
	And longest relationship eight years.
	Eight years.
	Were you married?
	Yes.
	Yeah, I was married.
	Was that your only marriage?
	It was.
	How long ago did you get divorced?
	We got divorced five years ago.
	Five years ago.
	And who initiated that?
	Was it you?
	Was it mutual?
	Was it her?
	I mean, it's never fully mutual, right?
	But I initiated, and then we kind of just talked it out and agreed.
	Okay.
	And you, sorry, you said you were married.
	So you're married for five years.
	No, no, no, eight years.
	Eight years, and it ended five years ago.
	Okay.
	Gotcha.
	And you kind of wanted it.
	It sounded like more so on your side.
	You wanted it to end.
	Yeah.
	Any reason why?
	Yeah, I mean, we have kids.
	We were fighting a lot in front of the kids.
	And I come from kind of that, so I wanted to end that cycle.
	I see.
	Okay.
	How many kids do you have?
	Two kids.
	All right.
	Devon Jackson donated 100 documents.
	Just to put the nail in the bed of the jail thing, the study she's undoubtedly quoting states that women in 2018 had a 7% higher mortality rate in jails than men due to illness, suicide, and overdose.
	Okay.
	It's actually a very good way to get around that word.
	Thank you, Dayvon Jackson.
	Yeah, it's just, it's such a ridiculous claim, but we're not going to linger on it too long.
	And it's not something I've done enough research on to be able to perfectly articulate like a counter-argument too.
	So I'll have to research it.
	But on its face, it occurs to me that it's just ridiculous.
	So, okay, let's see here.
	Quite an interesting start of a show so far.
	Let me read a couple chats.
	We have a few, and then I'll get into some of my pre-show questions.
	Alberta Sovereign to the girl dating the Canadian communist.
	Actually, Maddie, can you continue reading it?
	If he's a supporter of the dictator, Justin Trudeau, she's at least buying, need medication and prayer.
	Get yourself a tan and a real man.
	Do you have a response to Alberta?
	I probably need medication and a prayer, but I don't like Justin Trudeau.
	And we're getting her a tan.
	Yeah, I'll get a tan before I leave.
	What part of Canada are you from?
	I'm from Vancouver Island.
	Okay.
	You don't speak French, do you?
	No, not a little bit.
	That's not this French-speaking part.
	Maddie.
	Trans women, in parentheses, actual men, are being allowed to stay in female prisons.
	These same people are beating and impregnating female prisoners.
	Male prisoners are so dangerous, they have infiltrated female prison.
	Hmm.
	There you have it.
	There you have it.
	There are also like guards who are male in a female prison.
	And there's also female guards in male prisons.
	All right, let's not linger on the prison conversation.
	It's just too long.
	Okay, so let's see here.
	Where do we start?
	The rest of the panel didn't say if they would date you.
	Oh, right.
	Oh, God.
	I think everybody's like, no, my problem.
	Yeah.
	That's probably, we just wanted to like muff it off.
	Bro, it's okay if people don't want to date me.
	I'm not upset by it.
	It's totally fine.
	Well, I mean, I laid into you and you, boyfriend, boyfriend, straight.
	Well, never say never, right?
	Okay.
	But, okay.
	Just, guys, this is your chance.
	I talked mad fucking shit.
	You guys can talk some shit back.
	No, Brian, I wouldn't date you.
	You seem very angry.
	That's such gaslighting, though.
	Such gaslighting, you know?
	Well, I feel like your job is such a red flag.
	Like, I don't know.
	I'm just saying, like, no, I get it.
	Yeah, I say this on the show.
	I'm like, look, I get it.
	Some girls, maybe a lot of women, would not want to date me because of the work I do.
	Just the same with girls who do OnlyFans.
	A lot of dudes don't want to date them because of the work they do.
	The only difference between me and them, I don't cope about it.
	I just accept it.
	I'm not like they're insecure if they don't want to date me.
	Also, sex work is totally different than hosting a podcast, but I don't, I don't, I'm not like they're insecure.
	And like, nah, if you don't want to date me because of what I do, that's totally fine.
	I don't care.
	But, yeah.
	Yeah.
	Am I the only one with an OnlyFans on this panel right now?
	Oh, God.
	W's.
	Yo, W's in the chat.
	Only one OF girl.
	Sorry, guys.
	Only one OF.
	People complain there's too many OF girls on the panel, so we got panel without OF girls.
	Just one.
	Just one.
	Wait.
	So wait a minute.
	Did you want to roast?
	Did you want to roast?
	Oh, it's because, oh, I'm angry.
	That's right.
	You know, I tend to be frustrated and angry when people are an hour and a half late to the podcast that they requested to be on.
	That can perhaps inspire a bit of anger.
	That's how it goes.
	Like, it's like that.
	Yo, speak into the mic, kindly.
	It's that balance of like...
	What?
	Wait, the balance?
	Are you.
	Okay, so sorry.
	Go ahead.
	Go ahead.
	Go ahead, please.
	I think she's saying that.
	No, Wait, let her talk.
	Let her talk.
	No, no, no.
	Make your point.
	Go.
	I apologize for being late.
	No, no, no, no.
	Just make the point you were about to make.
	Kindly.
	No, no, no.
	Stop.
	Stop.
	Make the point you were about to make.
	Go ahead.
	This is something I was really looking forward to doing.
	And I did everything in my power to get here.
	And everything else was out of the way.
	No, I knew exactly what I was going to come in for.
	I don't know you, so I can't like, you know, be like, okay, I'll take a spanking.
	Like, my bad.
	Like, or just something like silly, right?
	Like, you can't.
	What are you going to do?
	You were about to.
	No, Stop.
	You were about to make the point when it comes to being late that this is something that is to be expected when dating.
	Let me try to ignite the thread you were about to lead into.
	Well, it's when you're dating, it's like that push-pull of the man and the female.
	Like the.
	So is your, you're saying what?
	That.
	Oh, my God.
	I'm so glad I'm not dating, donated $100.
	Watch guy, maybe a watch giveaway to Harry Potter's dirty wee wee pool-giving aunt.
	Ladies, would you rather date a super hot loser with no ambition or Donald Trump as he currently is?
	Teflon Don smiley face.
	We're going to come back to that, but we'll go around the table on this.
	Super hot loser with no ambition or Donald Trump as he currently is?
	Super hot loser.
	Hot loser.
	Neither, ideally, but I would go with a super hot loser.
	Nobody, like, none of those.
	None of the above.
	If you had to, I would.
	I like ambition, so I can't do that.
	So you don't.
	Oh, my God, bro.
	Say, don't.
	That's why I was like, I don't want to pick.
	Like, I would just, like, in that situation, I'd have to say no.
	Thank you.
	It's a fucking hypothetical.
	I'd rather just be single.
	But also, like.
	Bro, answer the fucking question.
	She said Donald Trump.
	I did.
	When?
	She said she liked Tampa.
	She said she'd rather be single.
	Let's just go to the next person.
	No, no, no.
	This is why you're not dateable.
	You don't listen to women.
	No, bro.
	It's your show.
	You literally.
	That's my answer.
	What was your answer?
	You said neither.
	She slipped it in.
	That's not my fault for not hearing it when it took you fucking an hour to meander your way to the fucking answer.
	I don't know.
	So what was your answer?
	What was your answer?
	I said Donald Trump, and then I said, I would rather have neither because those are not ideal and would rather be single, but I like ambition.
	Like, to me, ambition is something that I want to have.
	This is exactly why I don't listen to women.
	It's because you can't make like a concise point.
	Well, we did, so.
	I'm responding.
	I'm responding to her.
	Not claim.
	I'm not women.
	Bro, it's like generalizing.
	The way you structured your sentence was like Donald Trump question mark, and then the succeeding things you said did not make it evidently clear what your answer was, because you the the preceding statements were like, well uh neither, but this is not an SAT test.
	This is not like circle A and B.
	This is a podcast and I want to share my perspective.
	Maybe it doesn't fit in a specific bro, but it's.
	It's one or the other, do you know?
	Would you rather?
	Do you know the?
	Would you rather write a question And would you rather they give you two undesirable situations and you pick of the two undesirables?
	It's not, well, I don't want to do either.
	Just engage with the question.
	It's not that hard.
	I engage with the question.
	Yeah, after you meandered to the point.
	Oh my god, bro.
	Holy fuck.
	Like, if you're making this point, like, why are you meandering with me or her being late here?
	Because, like, we could have honestly just skipped it, had a wonderful conversation.
	You could have just been like, yo, like, you came in too late.
	We can't take you on.
	But also.
	So you're mad at me for being accommodating to your inconsideration and tardiness?
	No, I'm not saying that.
	And first of all, I apologize to you, but there's a difference between like decorum, but also lingering into things that don't need to be lingered on, namely.
	I like to linger.
	I'm a lingerer.
	I linger.
	He likes to do it.
	And I'll linger into people who are not valuable at all.
	So that's cool.
	This is rich coming from the woman who, let's see.
	You know, you did stab your Tinder date.
	Living under Scor donated $100.
	Can the schizo please poke Brian for all of us?
	Brian keeps saying, let's move on, but we have talked about being late in jail for the last five hours.
	Also, I'll get in on the chair bidding.
	Just change the title, like being late debating.
	So honestly.
	But, um, no, but I'll poke you with my arguments and see that.
	Burn.
	You're roasted.
	I'm what the heck.
	Found the biased article, local jail, only not prison.
	Women deaths per prisoner outpaced men in two out of 19 years studied.
	Headline, women die more than men.
	Truth, one out of every 9.5 years.
	Okay, hey, thank you, man.
	Appreciate it.
	Cool.
	Wait, it's okay.
	We were going around the table.
	Oh, no, you were making.
	Wait, we were going around the table on Donald Trump or loser.
	So loser.
	Women like to explain why they're going to choose something first so that, because especially.
	Bro, stop.
	Stop being fucking meta.
	Just answer the fucking question.
	It's about energy, Donald Trump.
	If he's Donald Trump, because he's putting out energy, he wants to create something.
	Okay, cool.
	Donald Trump, right?
	Okay, I have a clarifying question.
	Is the single hot loser a Christian?
	He's just on the opposite side.
	Sure.
	Sure.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Hot loser.
	Let's go.
	Let's go.
	Honesty.
	What about you, Brian?
	Okay, well, we'll have to reframe it.
	I'll reframe it for me and Matthew here.
	So, would the reframe be Hillary Clinton versus like hot 21-year-old who works at McDonald's and has no ambition?
	Yeah, I'll take the chick who works at McDonald's over Hillary Clinton.
	It's kind of like not equal.
	I don't know.
	That's something.
	Because some men actually don't really care about the woman's job.
	And if they're 21, that's the point of the question.
	Okay.
	Sorry.
	I need to fucking meditate.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Where were we?
	You were making the point that it is the male-female dynamic for women to be late.
	Was that the point you were trying to arrive at?
	Is it not like in every single movie or cats?
	Is it not in every single movie or like stereotype about a woman being late, getting ready for a man?
	That sounds like a really great way to take no accountability and justify your lack of accountability.
	No, I'm not speaking specifically about you, but you're relinquishing agency from women.
	Women are just as capable as men of being punctual, reliable, sticking to their commitments.
	There's not some like thing where women are not capable of doing that.
	In fact, it's a rather sexist position to say that women are not capable of being responsible adults who can show up on time.
	I agree with you, but I think women are also more intuitive.
	Like they're following a certain like things that are important to them and their own path versus the power wasn't important to you then because we all showed up early.
	I'm not saying it's not too hard.
	And I apologize to you.
	So we were too hard early.
	Let's dive into that.
	So if you don't want me here, I will leave.
	I honestly wasn't even planning on coming in if you guys had started, but I said I would give it a try.
	Okay.
	For a point of clarification, I didn't want to continue having a meta conversation about the fact that you were an hour and a half late.
	Now we're having a generalized conversation about women being late in a dating context.
	I'm happy to go there, but since you brought it back to the meta conversation about you specifically being an hour and a half late to the show, you said, well, women prioritize other things and they have other things going on.
	So you said you flew in.
	When did you arrive today?
	At 9, around 9:45.
	And did you have some other thing that you had to do?
	I'm with a group of people.
	I'm with my family here.
	So, like, we were figuring out where we were staying.
	We ran a car.
	We ended up at the Airbnb.
	At 9 a.m.
	No, we ended up there around 12 o'clock.
	And then there was a cleaning lady there.
	And then she didn't want us to stay at first.
	But then she said it was okay because the doctor that came with us, he's not feeling well.
	He just got over a cold.
	Okay.
	So we're not going to linger on the details of you being an hour and a half late.
	I'd like a better explanation, though, of this whole, well, isn't that the dance between men and women?
	So what is your position exactly?
	You're saying that, like, women are these sort of creatures that can't be on time.
	What are you saying?
	I'm so glad I'm not dating donated $100.
	10 plus years in the workforce.
	Less than a hand times I've been late.
	Never for an interview.
	There was over 2,000 people waiting.
	It's horrendously disrespectful at the least.
	Brian, for the win.
	Thank you, man.
	Appreciate it.
	Oh, we have another chat coming in.
	Okay.
	Hold on.
	It's coming in in just a sec.
	I'm so glad I'm not dating.
	I appreciate your patronage.
	Thank you.
	Thank you very much.
	Killer of cereal donated $100.
	Women late stereotype is BS.
	At what point are you just supposed to be a responsible adult with time management?
	I wonder if your boss would be okay with tardiness because you're a female.
	Do you want to respond to that?
	Yeah, they don't understand my situation.
	Or like, you know, I just feel like because I flew all the way from Canada and I planned accordingly.
	Like, you knew you were coming to the city.
	But you're an OnlyFans creator, are you not?
	And what does anything do if they have to say that?
	And she was still more punctual than you.
	So get it to you.
	Right?
	Like, you're here promoting yourself.
	I'm not sure.
	Okay, at the end of the day, you were late and you wasted everyone's time and there's consequences.
	And so the consequence is that Brian's going to poke a little bit of fun.
	You can handle it.
	That's why I'm saying that.
	Let's go.
	That's fine.
	I'm saying you're.
	It's okay.
	We're here.
	But there's going to be a little bit of jokes.
	I want to dive.
	What's going on, Nick?
	Can you speak closer to the next question?
	Oh, yeah.
	Let's dive a little bit into.
	You made a comment about her doing OnlyFans.
	What did you mean by that?
	It's more of an incentive to be on time.
	I do not give a fuck.
	These are my two best friends.
	I came here for them more than anything.
	Being on this podcast is obviously great.
	Like, it's fun, but this was not the main reason.
	And at all.
	So she values being on the podcast.
	What's the point?
	Wait, how about the impact?
	What's the point?
	How about the impetus?
	How about, regardless of like what you stand to personally gain by being on the podcast, I think that's irrelevant when it comes to your punctuality.
	100%.
	Whether you have hundreds of thousands of dollars to gain from being on the podcast or you have zero to gain, your word has to mean something.
	Yeah.
	That's what's important.
	Hey, I'm going to be here at this time.
	It's just the courteous thing.
	That's it.
	Let's also back.
	You said you're a fan of the show.
	Yeah, I just don't know how to travel and time manage.
	I don't travel often for work, so it's not like it's a new thing.
	You should stand in advance and been it's not an excuse.
	I apologize for wasting time.
	Channel is important, and apologies have been made.
	And I think we should bow out it.
	We've all been late to the balance.
	I'll bow every single person to the bottom.
	I'll pass on the battle.
	Okay.
	For the record, I think that the stereotype that women are late can sometimes be true.
	I think women take longer to get ready just because we have hair and makeup to do, but that doesn't mean that we shouldn't be held accountable when we are late.
	Like for instance, I planned accordingly.
	I got in yesterday and I spent time and she apologized.
	And I think people make mistakes and that's okay.
	Doesn't mean we're not holding them accountable, but I do think there is something to note.
	I still think even with like you need to do your hair and makeup, like you should know, you should plan accordingly, get it done or I get there on time.
	You're like, you've never been late to something important ever in your life.
	No one's saying you can't be late, but if you're late, they're going to poke fun at it.
	I know.
	It's not a big thing.
	It has to be in everybody's life where you've been late to something that you want to take.
	And we've all been told that you're going to be able to do that.
	I'm going to give you some context real quick from an outsider's perspective.
	So I like you mentioned that Brian is angry, right?
	And when you were late and you came in, you mentioned that he could speed things up by providing everybody a release ahead of time.
	These things are irritating to somebody that is already dealing with the lateness, right?
	And it's a business for him.
	It's not just like showing up and sitting down and hanging out.
	And so what you're seeing, like the irritation comes from that.
	And then it's the way that you deal with being called out on it is probably more important, you know, at that point.
	And then we're going to talk about it for a long time, probably until that kind of registers.
	That's just what it feels like.
	A couple different things.
	I've seen Brian's podcast.
	One, he's angry in almost all his podcasts.
	But secondly, when I came here, I'm actually pretty charitable.
	People being late.
	I heard that.
	I'm pretty charitable most of the time.
	People, viewers have their perspectives of the video.
	But anyways, whenever you were mentioning that.
	Are you pretty mad that night in Vegas?
	You mentioned the.
	I'm trying to be respectful and answer a question that was asked for me.
	So whenever you were mentioning the release form, we were sitting down and, you know, the show wasn't starting yet.
	So I was like, might as well use my time and take a picture of a form, which took three seconds.
	It didn't delay the show.
	On the matter of me being here, I was already here.
	I was like 30 minutes.
	But I'm just saying, whenever I came here, I tried to use that time.
	Like, why not?
	I wouldn't have done that if everybody was sitting down and y'all were trying to like roll up and start it.
	And I'm like, actually, hold up.
	Let me do this.
	Like, everyone was sitting down.
	Yeah, we were trying to.
	That's the thing is, we were trying to kind of sort things out while we were all sitting around together and you just got up and like started doing, like, if you had said, like, hey, actually, I'm going to go sign the release form, that would have made sense.
	But you just got up, didn't say anything to anyone, and we didn't know what was going on.
	How long was it until I took the picture and came back?
	So you were arguing with them before you sat down.
	I also think it's really important to like meet with people before and build rapport.
	And that's something I really wanted to do.
	And we showed up earlier to do that.
	You know what I mean?
	So I'm upset for myself that I didn't get earlier.
	For the rapport building, yeah.
	That would have been nice.
	I'm being genuine.
	Like, I also said it's a business, so I was just trying to give you business advice.
	If you don't like it, holy fuck.
	Just stop.
	I don't even know.
	Look, your whole arguments about, well, because you were talking, you were challenging them.
	Well, haven't you ever been late to something?
	But like, do you realize like there's being late, 10, 5 minutes, 10 minutes, 15 minutes?
	And then there's being like, what the?
	Like, egregious late.
	You were an hour late.
	You were an hour and 30 minutes late.
	That's fucking crazy.
	Now you guys say, whoa, my time management.
	Look, when you wake up in the morning, you go on your Maps app, you like Google Maps or the Apple Maps.
	Whoops, sorry.
	Holy fuck.
	Came out of nowhere.
	It's really good at predictive timing.
	So you could put that shit in at 7 a.m.
	It'll tell you how long it's going to be.
	It does.
	If I was late to the 15 minutes early formation, my life would be hell.
	I'd also have to do 200 to 300 plus push-ups.
	I'd like to see the late 304s do push-ups.
	Maybe they can learn through pain.
	I don't even think I can do that.
	I mean, do I bust out the dunce cam?
	Where's the dunce?
	I don't even think it's like that.
	It's okay.
	These apps also now can actually plan like ways.
	For example, you can plan a drive and it'll try to account for the traffic.
	If I, yeah, but also like.
	What do you mean, check it out?
	How long have you had an iPhone for?
	I did it.
	Apple Maps, Google Maps.
	If you type in the address, I'll do this before I'm planning, like an hour before I'm even planning to leave.
	So I know, like, okay, shoot, I gotta leave at this time.
	You can plan it in and it'll predictively tell you your ETA.
	You can even say, you can even plan something.
	No, you can even Gen Z, but also shaming me for not knowing.
	Stop.
	So you can even put it in and then, oh, I want to leave two weeks from now on a Tuesday at 3 p.m.
	And it'll predictively tell you at that time how long it'll be.
	And we, in our pre-show notes, we actually tell you, hey, plan ahead.
	Please arrive on time.
	Plug it into the Maps app so that you can arrive on time and know how long it's going to take to arrive.
	That's it.
	Easy.
	I don't know.
	Well, I'll.
	What do you mean you didn't know?
	I've never seen that feature.
	You've never used it.
	You mean the apps at the time?
	No, I've used the map, but I didn't know you could change what time you're going to.
	It would just pull up Google.com.
	You can do that shit in Google.
	Well, thank you for letting me know.
	But also, like, earlier, you were shaming me for wanting to be on my phone and being Gen Z.
	But now that I don't know a specific feature on an app, I'm being shamed for it.
	Like, double buying labeling.
	Decide if it's good technology or not.
	Okay, going back to you.
	Disregarded.
	So going back to you, let's actually have a conversation about the dating component of this.
	So your position is what?
	When it comes to dating and being late as a woman?
	There's a reason why men and women are different.
	So men use a different part of their brain, and women are usually late because they're trying to get ready for their man.
	I don't think that's a good excuse.
	I think if you really care about a man and respect him, you're going to be there on time.
	I agree.
	I mean, it's not even.
	I don't know what you're trying to do.
	She wants to give business advice.
	So first, what you do is stab them in the neckque.
	No.
	Wrong situation.
	Anyways, about those release forms, Brian, this is Sparta.
	Please.
	Yo, I'm so glad I'm not dating.
	Thank you, man.
	Appreciate it.
	Yeah, it's quite a doozy today.
	Okay, so your position is what?
	My position is, I apologize.
	No, I've already told you.
	No, no, no, no.
	Do you want to know where my brain goes?
	No, stop.
	I've already moved on from the meta conversation about you as this.
	You're very self-centered.
	Do you know the concept solipsism?
	You thinking you're the center of the universe?
	I'm asking about your position as a general dating stance.
	You're saying that women have less agency when it comes to being on time in a general dating context.
	Forget that you were an hour and 30 minutes late.
	Just address the actual point you were trying to make.
	No, I'm not saying that.
	That's exactly what you were saying.
	I'm saying it's like how much energy the other person's putting into the situation, how much the other person puts back.
	So I'm just so I understand.
	So is your justification that women have leeway to be late because they put on makeup and take a bit of extra time to get ready?
	Is that your argument?
	My thing was commenting that it's a stereotype for a reason.
	Yeah.
	That's it.
	It's not a justification.
	Is that a justification?
	This is what it is.
	And it doesn't mean we shouldn't be held accountable.
	Like there's no excuse if I'm late for something.
	That's not an excuse, but there are usually reasons and usually women's reasons.
	And I find a lot different.
	I humbly take my spanking from anyone else who wants to verbally give it to me.
	That's fine.
	It seems like you're walking back your position a little bit because I'm giving you pushback on your position because you were originally claiming that, well, this is just kind of the fanciful way that women are.
	We're just sort of these, you know, creatures that just, you know, if we're late, you know, whatever.
	It's because we got to put on our makeup.
	That seemed to be your previous position.
	Now you're saying, well, no, I'm actually just pointing out the stereotype.
	So which one is it?
	My position is that men need to learn more patience, I think.
	Well, see, now, okay, let me, that's something that I can address.
	You necessarily, this is your podcast.
	You're running a business.
	You humbly have.
	So in a dating context.
	No, oh my God.
	The solipsism is really insane with you.
	Again, I'm not talking about your specific, you being an hour and 30 minutes late to this podcast.
	So when it comes to a general dating context, is your position that men need to learn more patience because women are going to be late for dates?
	Is that your argument?
	Because that's the words that just came out of your mouth.
	Men need to accept women's tardiness.
	Men need to be more patient.
	I don't think I said any of this.
	No, that's literally what you said.
	Did you not just say men need to learn to be more patient?
	Am I wrong?
	Did you not just say that?
	I did say that.
	Men need to learn.
	Bro, this is a scary woman.
	I'm being dead serious.
	Like, it's scary in the sense that, like, you just said something.
	You just said something, and now you're denying that you said it.
	But we're having like a conversation, and so like we're talking about it from the things that you've said is that.
	Because that's what it's let into.
	What you're saying is that's what it sounds.
	Not even deducted.
	She just said it.
	She just said men have been.
	Like, I'm not gaslighting her, right?
	Those are the words.
	And I feel like I accurately.
	Well, I was just thinking of like when she's trying to get her point across and you're angry.
	Holy shit.
	Kindly speak into the microphone.
	It's a little bit of patience, like just taking a breath sometimes instead of snapping.
	Like women are more.
	I'm trying to have more of a general conversation and let go of the two specific situations.
	Are you liquored up?
	I'm fine.
	Are you sober?
	I have to go to the restroom really bad.
	I've been driving for like four and a half hours, and I'm a little bit nervous.
	To get up, go to the bathroom.
	I don't know if you get up and go.
	That's hurt pretty well.
	Yeah, it's just like by the front, the door's open.
	You can just get up and go.
	Okay, yeah, yeah.
	You can come back, but yeah, go empty on your bladder.
	It will be good.
	Maybe that'll help.
	Maybe it's backed up or something.
	I mean, hey, sometimes I really have to pee.
	I can't think.
	So I feel like what she was trying to say is that, like, it's expensive.
	Okay, men should, like, I think everyone should be more patient.
	Like, I think patience is great, but that doesn't excuse when someone is late.
	Like, you can be patient.
	Like, I do think, like, Brian, if you had to sit for three hours and do your hair and makeup, you might have some more patience.
	So it doesn't excuse being late.
	I take over an hour to do my makeup, but I have no patience at all.
	You also just can't evade the consequences of your actions if you're late.
	That's going to happen.
	Men don't need to learn more patience.
	You should probably just sit with the consequences and get over it.
	I like young talents.
	Let's be charitable here.
	So her position is.
	So, okay, let's say you're meeting someone for a date, right?
	And the guy says, well, meet me at 5, 5 p.m., 5 colon 00.
	Not just 5 p.m., like 5, 0, 0.
	5 p.m., we're going to go get dinner.
	Let's say that she's 20 minutes late.
	Does the man need to learn more patience or does she need to learn to be on time?
	She needs to be on top.
	Why can't it be both?
	No.
	20 minutes late.
	Why does that kind of be a bit of a damage?
	That's victim.
	That's right.
	It's crazy.
	That's kind of victim blaming.
	But also, can't.
	Let's just see the force from the trees.
	Like, I was 30 minutes, an hour late, and she was an hour, 30 minutes late.
	We both apologized.
	We both acknowledged that being on time is good.
	And we just wanted to move on.
	And since we're in the middle of the day, though.
	Bro, I've said, I've repeated myself multiple times.
	No, no, no, no.
	We're having a general conversation.
	I've moved on from the fact that you were that you were an hour late and she was an hour and 30 minutes late.
	We're having a general conversation.
	I know you want to make it about you.
	No, no, no.
	I want to talk in context because she was under pressure whenever we were talking about that stuff.
	Also, whenever she said those statements donated $100.
	This is so awkward.
	We all know she's pissing listening to Yarl talk about her Lamal.
	But my thing is also, like, if you're sitting at a restaurant and you're waiting 20 minutes for your date to show up, would you not get upset?
	Like, I would be very upset.
	You could be upset, but you can still like.
	I would leave.
	Yeah, at that point, I'd be like, 20 days in a little bit.
	Let's talk about that.
	Let's talk about that.
	Let's try to keep it just dating related.
	It depends on what the reason was, though.
	Like, if she was like, my dog died, I'm going to be like, oh, I'm so sorry.
	Well, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	I mean, if you call me, but like, if I'm sitting alone, I have no word for you.
	I'm going to be very upset.
	Oh, I would be pissed too if someone just said that.
	But that's the thing.
	Mine had no word.
	A lot of restaurants don't see.
	I don't want to see you unless your full party's there.
	So it's not, you can't even order food and like we'll get into the late thing.
	Okay.
	I think you just influence on the reasoning.
	Wait, let me read a couple chats, then we'll get into the late thing.
	Okay, so Donald Trump's brown eye.
	Okay.
	That is crazy.
	Screw Brian.
	Would you date Matt?
	Let's make this weird.
	So going around the table.
	Oh, I thought he was asking you.
	No, I think that's what the question was.
	No, no, not.
	I thought he was saying that.
	Would you date Matt?
	Right.
	Would you date Matt?
	Again, I don't know you well enough.
	Maybe if you're a cool dude, like I said before.
	He's got cool tattoos.
	Yeah, if you're a cool dude, maybe.
	Again, regardless of the relationship, I don't know anything about you, so no.
	He's got cool tattoos.
	I might.
	Oh, I might.
	I mean, you seem successful and a lot more calmer than Brian's, so I would consider, but again, don't know you, Davo.
	This was going long.
	We haven't straight.
	first glance I would consider you both options and the reason why this is so awkward is because you ask them and then we have a conversation and then we have a conversation wait hold on let this go Brian has the patience to sit with glueless, irresponsible 304s on a weekly basis.
	Brian gives tons of chances for bad behavior.
	How late would you actually wait for a date until it's unacceptable?
	Well, we'll get into this in just a second, Killa of cereal.
	Thank you for your patronage, man.
	Really appreciate it.
	Appreciate all your patronage tonight, by the way.
	And yeah, dude, I mean, week after week, two times a week, for it's been almost two years, like a year and a half or so.
	So it starts to grate on you.
	You know, you start, like, for example, right?
	We won't linger on this long, but like, it's like the teacher that's heard all the excuses.
	My dog ate the homework.
	My grandma died for the fifth time.
	It's like, I've heard all the excuses.
	For example, we'll have girls who, oh, I can't make it.
	I'm sick.
	And then, like, you look at their Instagram story later that night.
	They're out clubbing and partying.
	I've seen it all.
	I've heard all the excuses.
	I'm jaded as fuck.
	So I have very little patience when it comes to like all these bullshit excuses.
	Like, I don't know.
	It's just like, yo, for me, if I say I'm going to be somewhere, I'm going to be somewhere.
	If I say I'm going to be on time, I'm going to be on time.
	I'm not going to cancel my plans.
	If I give my friend, if I promise him I'm going to be there for you for something, and something conceivably better pops up, I'm going to stick with my plan with my friend because I gave him my word.
	And I think that's something that's very lacking.
	People will switch up really quick.
	And it's really, I think, to blame is cell phones.
	Because in the past, if you said, if I told a friend, I'll be there at 3 p.m., I can't text you and say, oh, hey, man, can we push an hour?
	No, like cell phones have made it so easy for people to flake or cancel or postpone shit.
	So, anyways.
	That's very boomer of you to blame cell phones.
	I'm 34.
	I remember when I was a kid, like, I used to, I didn't have a phone.
	Oh, I'll see you at 3 p.m. here.
	Well, I think even with a cell phone, I mean, if you make that commitment to someone, you should follow through with it.
	Of course.
	We're coming back to that.
	We have Carl Bennington.
	I love sleuths.
	If you're not one, then I'm not interested anymore.
	I'm certified.
	I mean, certified.
	Certified.
	Can I respond to that, Ralph?
	See comment.
	I'm about to pull it up.
	You can hold on just a second.
	All right, we have CJ.
	Oh, Maddie, can you read this?
	Stabby McSaberson makes JoJo look rational.
	Jojo, dear, have you rethought your position on who suffers more from war?
	Binky Face.
	Redeem yourself or reclaim your place atop Mount Delusional.
	Go.
	Wait, okay, so going around the table.
	Who do you think is the primary victim of war?
	Men or women?
	Okay.
	I want to clarify just like every single time I've clarified.
	I've never said one is worse than the other.
	They are.
	It just died.
	Female privilege is real.
	If women do not want someone in their life, they can abort them or ignore them and act if they don't exist and no one bats an eye.
	Women can be late or not to show up at all.
	It's true, bro.
	It's true.
	Dude, thank you for the big 200 TTS, man.
	Thank you so much for your patronage.
	Female privilege is real.
	Oh, wow.
	Okay.
	He's getting into the pro-life versus pro-choice.
	Well, you're quite opinionated on that.
	We'll get it here.
	I'll write that down.
	We'll get into that.
	We'll get into that later on.
	All right.
	Thank you, man.
	Really appreciate your patronage.
	Okay, so going around the table.
	Like I've said, everyone's a victim of war.
	Everyone is.
	So, like.
	Wait, hold on.
	Let me restate the question.
	That's always my position.
	Let me just restate the question.
	Who is the primary victim of war?
	Men or women?
	Yeah, you love restating that question.
	Yeah, women.
	I'll still stand by.
	You are not saying that.
	I'm still standing by it and I'm not changing.
	Let's go around the table.
	We'll get everybody's answers.
	I mean, yeah, I would say men because they're in the front lines.
	They fight by women.
	Stop, stop, stop.
	That's not to say that women don't suffer.
	Women suffer from women.
	Let her answer the question.
	Go ahead.
	Women suffer from war as Mel, but war as well, but obviously, men.
	They're in the front lines, of course.
	I'm so sorry to my queen, Jojo.
	You're such my woke queen, but I think men are the primary victims of war.
	Okay, so by war, do you mean like going to battle or like war as in like relationships?
	World War I, World War II, Vietnam War, Ukraine war, the current Israel-Palestine conflict, war.
	I would say men.
	Okay.
	So primary first men.
	Okay.
	Men.
	Obviously, men.
	Men.
	Jojo, what are you doing?
	We already went over this.
	I actually did a lot of research after the fact.
	Yeah, by the way.
	She didn't watch your movie.
	She didn't watch the movie.
	No, I started the movies, but they were three hours.
	Wait, three hours?
	I told you you have to watch All Quiet on the Western Front.
	And Saving Private Ryan.
	And Saving Private Ryan.
	I started Saving Private Ryan.
	That's good.
	It was three hours, and I started at 11 p.m.
	So I was like, you know, this ain't the journey for me.
	Okay, but how much of it?
	Because that first scene, that first scene is brutal.
	Yeah, it was.
	Yeah, it was brutal.
	Nick, can you pull up?
	Hold on.
	It's in the Dropbox podcast.
	Hold on, I'm trying to find it.
	Oh, no.
	Oh, no, no, no.
	Oh, okay.
	Here it is.
	Dropbox podcast War Into the Jaws of Death picture.
	Can you find that one?
	Yeah.
	But I don't think men aren't the victims either.
	That was my whole primary.
	Primary.
	Do you know what that word means?
	Yeah, you can pull it up.
	So this is, you know, this isn't from the film Saving Private Ryan, but it reenacted the D-Day landing.
	So, do you see any women in this picture?
	Any women?
	I don't want to assume they're gender.
	I don't want to assume they're gender.
	Do you think there's any women in this historical photograph?
	Can you zoom in?
	I'm just kidding.
	No, I don't think there's any women.
	Oh.
	Yeah, okay.
	So the first scene of Saving Private and Ryan, nothing.
	So while the women are just back home, you know, Rosie the Riveter, just like making shells and like doing construction, and the men are, you know, getting mowed down.
	Okay.
	D-Day landing.
	Okay.
	Women still the primary victims of war?
	It wasn't about the women.
	What do I have on my hands with this panel?
	Okay.
	Sorry, go ahead.
	Go ahead.
	Go ahead.
	It wasn't about the women who, like, I was talking about the women who are also suffering, the ones that are getting in, like, the countries that are getting invaded.
	Let's be careful on that topic.
	So, what's your point?
	That.
	Yeah, that's still, though, like, as far as the numbers go, it's such a small percentage of the actual victims.
	Yeah, but men die, and then women have to live with the suffering.
	Yeah, so that's the same thing.
	Wait, what are the men who are not?
	I mean, I'm the worst.
	The person who died or the widow?
	I want to ask you on that.
	So, what's worse?
	What's worse?
	Death, obviously.
	Right, so that would be the primary victim.
	So, but that is more of like an interesting argument, more about like who's the victim.
	Is it the people who have to live with the pain and have to live on even with the pain, or is it the people who died?
	Because you don't have the pain anymore once you're gone, obviously.
	But again, that's a different kind of debate, and I'm not like trying to justify either side of that, but that's just I've got I'd got DMs about it too.
	I'm sure you did.
	I mean, what is the worst thing that can happen to a victim?
	They're killed, right?
	That's the worst thing.
	There are lots of ways to victimize somebody, but like ultimately that's what gets somebody controlled by the people.
	Like a parent seeing your kids die, I think is also worse than that.
	But for the kid itself, like the kid was the like primary victim there, right?
	Obviously, like if you know, if your kid passes, like that sucks, and you're going to suffer from that, but who was the primary victim?
	The passing child or like the parent, you know?
	Yeah, also.
	So in war, like when the majority of the casualties and the injuries are men.
	Beaten cheeks donated $100.
	When the next war happens, and it will, you feminists will have your ideology completely destroyed, get back in the kitchen, finally be feminine, and the patriarchy will thrive once again.
	Entitled 304s.
	You do not want me in the kitchen.
	I cannot cook.
	That's a red flag.
	Oh, that's just what it is.
	I'm a terrible cook.
	I think the amount of harm that we can measure is all based on what you're saying is the most harmful thing someone could go through.
	And do you agree that being killed is the worst thing a person can go through?
	Yes or no?
	I mean, it's a controversial opinion, but no, I don't think.
	You don't think being killed is the worst thing that can happen to you?
	So if he had asked the question, who's the primary casualty of war, would you say men?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	So it's just the way you're defining what a victim is.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	So do you think that it's harder for, let's say that you're not even killed in war, but like, do you think it's harder for if I'm married, my wife to be like lonely without me versus me like in trenches?
	What about your opinion on what's happening with your wife?
	Let's say the country was invaded and think a lot of terrible, terrible things are happening.
	I'm not disagreeing with you.
	I think that like that obviously happens and it's part of the statistics, but it's a very huge minority of the total it's not that huge.
	Well, because again, this is like the East Asian focused was like it did, it happened in tons of those countries.
	It happened in the Philippines, it happened in Korea, it happened in China, it happened in like but in the majority of wars?
	What?
	In the majority of wars?
	Yeah, it happens in the majority of wars.
	Not at the rate, though, as the casualties happen, you know?
	Yeah, of course.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	I thought you were just insane when you said that.
	I didn't understand.
	I was blown away that you could say that.
	But, I mean, I get what you're trying, I get what you're saying, but, I mean, I think that the default, she's saying that if you had asked her who's the primary casualty of war, she would say it's clearly men.
	But she defines victim as something different.
	Like death is not the worst thing that can happen to a victim.
	Yeah, it is.
	I agree.
	I think that's the worst.
	That's why it's punished the worst.
	But if I had to choose between, I don't want to get into it because I think it is DOS.
	Yeah.
	Hold on.
	Beaten cheeks donated $100.
	As someone who has been in real war, real combat, you feminists are in no position to speak about any type of wars or any international conflicts.
	Just learn to cook, serve your man, and stop feminism.
	Sorry.
	I'm not.
	I know how to cook.
	I believe that.
	Okay.
	So, okay, your position is basically SA is worse than being killed.
	Is that your position?
	It depends on the extent.
	But yeah.
	Depends on the extent.
	That's why I don't want to get into it.
	Right.
	But you're saying the women that are left alone, that are widowed, like the other, like all of that, that leaves victims behind.
	What do you mean?
	Like the women whose husbands go off to war and die, she becomes a victim of that war.
	That's what you're saying.
	I mean, yeah, I think you don't think that the severity of the victimhood would lie with the, you know, the soldier who died.
	Well, I'm saying everyone's a victim.
	That was always my stance, always my point.
	Everyone's a victim.
	That's not a question, though.
	Yeah, exactly.
	It's not a question.
	That's fine.
	Like, okay, for example, I want to try to frame this in as delicate a manner as possible.
	So, let's say there's a tragedy, a major tragedy, and I saw it on the news.
	And that was really upsetting to me to see that on the news.
	But it was geographically, I was very far removed from it.
	I didn't know anybody involved in the tragedy.
	Now, it was upsetting to me to see that compared to the person, let's say people died in this tragedy, right?
	Who's the bigger victim?
	Yeah, of course, the people who died, yeah.
	Okay.
	So, by that same logic, wouldn't the person who dies be the bigger victim than the family member?
	Or you gave an example where they were removed.
	They didn't even weren't even involved in the situation.
	They didn't have family in the situation.
	That was your example that they just witnessed that this happened, right?
	Yeah.
	But then now you're taking it back to the family and being like, oh, isn't it worse for the people who died rather than the family?
	I have a question for you.
	Let's say that all soldiers were women.
	Would that change your answer if it was women who were just getting killed?
	The same things that I went through were happening to the men.
	And then, like, if it was completely rule swapped with every single aspect, I would probably still say the same answer.
	Does it change it at all?
	Like, if it was, if women were soldiers and they were the ones getting killed en masse and the men were just kicking it, just chilling.
	Kicking like they were just like, they're just chilling at home.
	Pull up, pull up.
	It's in the war folder.
	Ukraine men versus donated $100.
	I don't want to live on this planet anymore.
	Give me the asteroid, Daddy Brian.
	I wonder if there is a professional victim course in college.
	Also, what's up with the chair asking for a friend?
	The chair?
	The auction.
	It was by her suit.
	Oh, right, right, right.
	I think we need some crypto up in here.
	I think we, what, one Bitcoin?
	Oh, whoa.
	Valuable chair.
	It's one Bitcoin.
	The chair is up to one Bitcoin.
	I've been getting bids on it in my Instagram DMs.
	I'll cut you in for one Ethereum.
	I get one Bitcoin, you get one Ethereum.
	I don't know.
	What's the value of it?
	Don't worry, don't worry.
	Okay, okay.
	Take my word for it.
	So does it change anything if it's all women?
	Does that change anything at all?
	No, like I said before, it doesn't change what.
	So let me ask you the question one more time.
	Who are the primary victims of war?
	Men or women?
	Women.
	No.
	I was really rooting for you.
	Oh, yeah, wait, so you were making, let's talk.
	What about the Ukraine war?
	Okay.
	Who are the primary victims of the Ukraine war?
	Men or women?
	I don't know anything about the Ukraine war.
	I don't know.
	Really, the most recent war?
	Well, I don't, yeah, I don't.
	You don't know anything about it?
	I don't know.
	I don't know.
	Yeah, for surface-level stuff.
	I don't.
	The blue and yellow flag.
	I haven't extensively researched it, and I'm not embarrassed to say that.
	But you're familiar that there is a war going on in Ukraine.
	That's why I said surface level.
	Russia.
	Yep.
	Okay.
	I know the president's strange as well.
	I know.
	Okay.
	So, but you can't make a determination based off of the things that you do know.
	In the Ukraine war, currently, in this current conflict, hold on.
	I'm so glad I'm not dating, donated $100.
	There's a bump in the night.
	You are with your man.
	There's an AR-15 equal distance from both of you.
	There's four armed intruders actively breaking in.
	Who do you prefer goes on the defensive?
	Why does it matter with the gun, right?
	Just we can put this in the context.
	It's kind of an.
	I don't know if it's the best framing of this question, but who do you prefer goes on the defensive?
	Whoever's better with the gun, I guess, right?
	Okay.
	I'm from Canada.
	We don't have guns, so I mean, whoever's better.
	I'd prefer my husband does it.
	Sorry, I was finding out a little bit.
	Yep.
	A strong man with a weapon.
	Whichever one's better with the gun.
	Matthew, anything on this?
	My husband, for sure.
	Your husband.
	There you go.
	There you go.
	Okay, so hide that.
	Okay, so, Jojo.
	In this current conflict, in the Ukraine war, who is the primary—hold on, let me reframe it.
	Who is the primary victim of the Ukraine war?
	Men or women?
	Again, I don't know the context, but if I'm standing on the same point, I've been saying, I guess, women.
	Well, don't be stubborn, like, actually, like, rethink.
	Like, it's okay to change your mind.
	No, she doesn't want to, though.
	But are you just like just for fun?
	See, he's not changing her mind.
	Hold on.
	So, here, there's two things I want to show you.
	I referenced this in a previous episode.
	I don't think the one you were on.
	Nick, I actually think there's, I'm pretty sure there's a tab there with a Reddit that has a video.
	Wait.
	Busload of Ukrainian men trying to evade.
	I think it's safe to play.
	You did tell me last time.
	Okay, we'll play it.
	Fuck it.
	You did give me context last time saying about the women they tried to encourage to leave.
	Actually, also Google, before you show that one, I'm going to give you three pieces of three pieces of evidence for my position, and you can see if it sways you at all.
	Nick, the first thing, can you actually pull up?
	Search, I think it's a BBC article.
	Well, it's probably any news website.
	Ukrainian men 18 to 60 cannot leave the country.
	And this will give context for the video that I'm about to pull up.
	Just find an article.
	Ukrainian men are unable to leave the country.
	Yo, Carl, thank you.
	Carl Bennington donated $100.
	Lydia, I'm breaking up with you.
	I want you to know it's not you.
	Who's Lydia?
	It's me.
	I think you're a wonderful person.
	I'm sure one day you'll find a great guy.
	You're young.
	There's still hope for you.
	Well, you're not my fiancé, so I don't really care.
	That was really random.
	Sorry that you were dating me in your imagination.
	I know.
	Is that your fiancé's name?
	No, my fiancé's name is a fancy.
	That would be a crazy way to break them down in the wild.
	That'd be pretty sad, but also kind of dope.
	Ethan, that's more content.
	For the content.
	Nick, are you able to, you got it?
	Do you have like one more second there?
	I'll pull up a chat while you're doing that.
	Did we read this one?
	Stabby Mix did.
	That's how it started.
	Madison, can you read this one?
	The girl who went to prison trying to teach Brian how to do business better.
	I think it's better to stay at the stage of how to prepare a crackpipe or how to buy cigarettes from a neighboring cell.
	Okay.
	Thank you, Raphael.
	Oh, you wanted to respond?
	Oh my god, the beach chat's on fire.
	Bring it back to kindergarten to these girls who don't know any facts or knowledge, who are currently more oppressed, white people in America or women.
	Oh, geez.
	Let's go.
	Wait, white?
	That is crazy.
	Wait, who is more oppressed?
	White people in America or women.
	Okay, that's an interesting one.
	I'll have to.
	We've got a backlog beat in cheek, so I'll have to get to it.
	Maddie, can you read this one for the Bernie song?
	I don't care anymore.
	She's dead to me.
	I have been serving for almost 20 years on active duty, and I can tell you men are the primary victim of war.
	Gustavo, head to the trenches now.
	We can't sell the chair.
	Rip.
	Rip the value.
	Take it back now.
	Take it back now.
	Now it's like worth one Dogecoin.
	My dad's also 20 years military as well.
	Did he know you've said this?
	I told my mom, and she actually went crazy on my point to a higher extent than me.
	I was like, whoa.
	Wait, yo, we got your mom on the show.
	She is where she at.
	So liberal and so feminist that's.
	Dude, mother-daughter episode.
	Let's go.
	And your power.
	That would be great.
	Wait, where did your father land on this point?
	I didn't ask my father on it.
	What?
	Let's give him a call.
	I just talked to my mom one day.
	Okay, you wanted to respond to the chat, the previous chat?
	I can't pull it back up.
	It's gone.
	But yeah, I just wanted to acknowledge that the fact that some people might have been to jail or prison or have made bad experience, like had made mistakes in our life doesn't mean that you can't give out business advice.
	You just TD Wakdoino donated $200.
	There are things worse than death.
	For a man, being stripped of his dignity and destroyed by a woman can be far worse than death.
	Women should be careful not to destroy men.
	Disagree.
	I mean, a woman leaving me and hurting me is worse than death.
	No.
	He just got his heart broken.
	The only example I can think of is like somebody's so in a bad mental state that, you know, like being alive is kind of a butt.
	I'm not going to get into that.
	But I feel like there's like ongoing life circumstances that can be so burdensome or difficult or it could be physical pain.
	It could be mental pain.
	But like, for example, if you were, I don't know, I'm trying to think of a scenario.
	Let's say you were like being tortured with like medieval torture devices for like a 10-year period.
	Could you make the argument that it'd be better to just like, you know?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, you know the Greek story with the guy who's strapped to a tree and an eagle kind of the myth.
	Yeah, Oh, yeah.
	Yeah, that'd be pretty bad.
	That'd be pretty bad.
	Is it Prometheus?
	Is it Prometheus?
	By the way, guys, I am writing down all these things, so we are going to.
	Oh, Katie Marie, that's Gustavo Simp here.
	Hold on.
	I'm just a guy.
	What do I know?
	I really appreciate your TTS, man.
	Thank you for your patronage.
	And yeah, let me get through these.
	Wait.
	Sorry, there's so many chats.
	Did you pull up all the yellow ones, Nick?
	If you did, just clear them out.
	Okay.
	Let's start with the BBC one, if it's BBC or whatever.
	Maybe there's a different.
	It's fine.
	Okay.
	Reports.
	Ukraine bans all males, all male citizens ages 18 to 60 from leaving the country.
	That's back in February of 2022.
	Okay, so that's one.
	Okay.
	And then I want you.
	Do you have any thoughts on that?
	Seems a little unfair, don't you think?
	Yeah, that's terrible.
	Yeah.
	I never said it was unfair.
	Would that just that alone?
	Would that kind of make you lean towards men are being victimized a little bit more in the Ukraine conflict than women are?
	Well, if they're giving, like, yeah, women are allowed to leave.
	Yeah, it sways me more.
	It sways you more, but is it convincing enough for you to switch your position?
	I guess I would like to know the vice versa of like what's happening with the women as well.
	I can't believe that.
	Nave's donated $100.
	Ukrainian women are living it up in other countries.
	The men are conscripted and go to war.
	They cannot leave.
	America has legal draft for men.
	Women don't have this.
	Imagine if war come to our shores.
	Yo, Naeve, say thank you, man.
	Matthew, actually, if you want to.
	Yeah, I was literally going to say that.
	I mean, the women in Ukraine, they leave and they go find new lives and they are mostly safe.
	I mean, there are.
	Yeah, in that context, then yeah.
	And they're in the club.
	Yeah.
	It's true.
	It's true.
	The number of Ukrainian girls on dating apps in LA has gone up tenfold.
	If that's the context of that.
	They're in Norway.
	They're in the UK.
	They're in Portugal.
	They're in Spain.
	They're in Spain.
	There's a lot in Canada as well.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	And the men are on dating apps, getting their blacks.
	I've turned right there in this context of this situation.
	Yes.
	Oh.
	Oh, interesting.
	That's sort of the status quo, though.
	I mean, that's an extreme example where in wars, that's, I mean, there's no draft for women, right?
	There's a reason for that.
	So the argument online about this is that it's also saying men are also passing these rules.
	Well, yeah, we're protecting you.
	Well, exactly.
	So it's like this is being passed by men that women can't join, can't serve, and can't assist.
	Not that they can't, that they don't, they're not forced to.
	Or that they're not forced to, yeah.
	And where do they go when they're not forced to?
	Like they're going to leave.
	Well, who would stay?
	Who would want to do that?
	You know, like if you're a woman and you have the option to go to a safe country or go and guarantee you're going to die.
	I'm sure there's tons of women who would want to serve their country.
	They don't.
	Well, you can serve in other ways, right?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, there are other ways.
	But I mean, in the actual on the field, like fighting, men are required to go do that.
	And then like percentage-wise, men are more likely to go to war.
	There was like a lot of the arguments online about this was that, like, that men are the ones who are making the rules that only men get drafted.
	Doesn't that make you a bit more like sympathetic to the plight of men in general?
	Like the fact that we have the ability to pass a law to require you to go and we're not doing it and we're actually keeping you safe.
	I mean, it's just, it's just interesting because it's more like we do this and then you have to feel like a certain way about men.
	Like it's a weird, just systematic.
	Hold on, let me.
	I always hear this sort of non-sequitur argument to like anytime you point out a way in which men are disadvantaged or victims or anything, it almost always goes to, well, who's victimizing them?
	Who's to blame?
	That's the argument online, yes.
	It's a terrible argument.
	That's what I read.
	It's a terrible argument.
	Because you're not even addressing the central point.
	You're just saying, well, like, who's at fault?
	It's kind of irrelevant, right?
	So, for example, are you familiar with FGM?
	No.
	Female genital mutilation?
	No.
	Is that your big labia matters stuff?
	No.
	Okay, then no.
	I don't know what that is about.
	Like, there's certain countries where women have their lady parts mutilated.
	Have you heard of this?
	No.
	You've never, you're a feminist and you've never, that's the thing.
	You claim I'm a huge feminist.
	I don't know anything about feminism, like other than the general, like.
	Oh, my, you're, oh my God.
	But you've never even heard about this, that this is a thing?
	No, I don't think so.
	Okay, so FGM, it's almost entirely practiced on young women by older women.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	Despite men in the countries it's practiced in being overwhelmingly against it.
	So as it's done by women on women, should we just not care about it?
	But what is it?
	Like, can you explain it?
	Like, it's.
	You said mutilation, but like, they have their clits chopped off.
	Oh.
	Okay.
	That's terrible.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	It's just such a poor argument because it's also an apex fallacy.
	So you're saying, well, yeah, men do get drafted, but who's passing those laws?
	It's men who are passing those laws.
	It's not, it's irrelevant because what percentage of men are passing those laws?
	It's a very small percentage.
	So let's say if a large swath of the population ends up getting drafted, it's kind of irrelevant that a very small proportion of men, and it's not clear to me if it's because they're men.
	Like, would your argument change?
	Like, let's say.
	You're pretty much saying, like, don't blame the victim.
	Like, let's just say there was a democracy, a government that was elected and it was like 60% women.
	So your argument just goes out the window, right?
	So would you still make the same argument that, well, it was men who passed that law?
	Well, this is the most common argument online.
	Okay, let me ask you a different question on the whole.
	Well, but it's men's fault.
	But other men.
	So let's say there's a monarchy.
	So let's look back in time to queens.
	If a queen started warring with another country, let's say England started warring with another country, would you hold that position that it was men who passed the laws in that situation?
	Well, yeah, I guess, no, I can't argue that if it was the queen who passed the laws, right?
	I can't argue that.
	It's just.
	So this whole like, it's just, it's such a weird argument.
	It's sometimes difficult to, because it just sort of like derails the conversation.
	But what if I told you, for example, that when comparing queens to kings, they actually found that queens were much more likely to wage war than women were.
	Queens are more likely than women.
	Queens?
	Sorry, did I?
	Oh, I think that's it.
	You meant men.
	Sorry, sorry, I misspoke.
	Queens were much more likely to wage war than kings were.
	The statistics online just said that wasn't true, that it was men who were waging wars over women.
	Again, these are the articles I was reading based off of our study.
	If you compare monarchs, did you looked at the study when it came to monarchs, kings, and queens?
	No.
	Yeah, that's what I'm referencing right now.
	Oh, so you're saying queens were just as or more likely to wage war than kings were.
	Okay, it's not hypothetical.
	This is real.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	It's studied.
	Yeah, okay.
	Okay.
	Sure, I'll be right back.
	But women.
	What?
	But women.
	Oh, my God.
	Can I add something?
	Okay.
	Just for context, I think that's a very specific example.
	And I 100% agree that men in that context are the ones with more suffering and death in those scenarios.
	But if you look at a country like Iran, you actually see a government is very uptight about their policies and when it comes to women's freedom.
	If we were to just walk down the street the way I look or any of us look, we would go to the market.
	That's just an oppressive government.
	That's not a war happening.
	I agree that that's not appropriate, but they're not at war.
	No, no, no, I'm just saying.
	We also talk about Ethiopia while we're at it.
	Any other just like countries that are not at all related?
	I mean, you brought up Russia and Ukraine, so I thought I'd bring up another country just to put in some context.
	But you're making a general statement about women's oppression under the Iranian regime.
	Right, because you were telling her about how maybe it could be a king or a queen passing the law.
	You were trying to exemplify a specific gender and whether that would change her mind.
	So I'm just trying to say in a different term.
	The logic here is a little faulty, but I would probably similarly argue that Iranian soldiers are the primary victims of any military conflicts that Iran is involved in.
	The primary victims of war when it comes to Iranian military conflicts is men.
	Right.
	I've stated men is the answer, but I'm just providing context for swapping out the different gender roles, whether it's a men or the women passing the conflict.
	You could actually probably argue that women in Iran, or when it comes to military conflicts, are probably, I mean, I don't know if they are allowed to be in the military, women in Iran.
	There's like specific.
	Well, there's a good argument to be made that women are even far less likely to be victims of.
	I would say there is a civil war for sure, and the conflict between men and women in the policies is considered a war.
	And for you to not acknowledge that just kind of makes you ignorant of the situation.
	Ignorant of what?
	Of the conflict that's happening in Iran.
	What conflict?
	Is there a current civil war going on?
	Have you never heard of Massa Amini?
	The woman who was killed?
	Yes.
	It's still.
	There are multiple women.
	Is it definitionally a civil war?
	Look, I'm not an expert in Iranian geopolitics, but I don't think there's an ongoing military conflict because of the woman who was killed.
	I would say that there is an internal conflict and is there civil unrest?
	That's different than the civil war.
	Can you define civil unrest?
	Okay.
	Do you remember the BLM rights?
	That was not the same.
	They've been turning off the Wi-Fi.
	So I like literally, some people in here don't have access to what's going on.
	Currently, in Iran, is there an armed civil war?
	Or is there just armed soldiers every single day?
	Is there civil society?
	Is there civil, is it civil unrest?
	Look at BBC Persia every single day.
	Is there a definitionally?
	Here, how about we just Google it?
	Is there a, maybe there is, maybe there isn't.
	Civil war Iran.
	Also, Wi-Fi is like unable to access and transfer over certain times.
	So it's kind of clueless, and some of us are literally restricted access to even be able to contact there.
	You can probably look at the Iran Wi-Fi story.
	Are you saying the Iranian government is hiding?
	It's hiding the ongoing civil war.
	No, the civil war is going on, but I'm saying Iranian government 100% controls the Wi-Fi.
	There's censorships.
	Even with a VPN, they're still blocked from accessing Wi-Fi at certain days or times.
	So you think that if there was an ongoing civil war, that the various intelligence agencies wouldn't be privy to a massive military?
	They want to send a message to the international community that they're fine.
	They're not doing violence.
	This war is not going on.
	Okay.
	All right.
	I mean, I can't find any evidence that there's an ongoing civil war.
	Literally, look up BBC Persia.
	Every single day there is an unrealistic.
	Civil unrest?
	There's civil unrest?
	Sure, I agree with that.
	I don't think there's a civil war.
	Look, I could be wrong, but I mean, you could use different terms.
	Derailed, by the way, totally derailed.
	Totally derailed.
	Okay, let me just look at the news.
	Yeah, we need to hit the Ukraine okay.
	Yes, so this is a video.
	Let me provide a bit of context.
	So pull up that article really quick, just for the article.
	Do you still have it?
	Okay, Ukraine bans all male citizens ages 18 to 60 from leaving the country.
	Let's play the video.
	are men attempting to escape ukraine like i can't we What?
	I don't think it's pulled up.
	Wait, you just had it.
	I know, I did.
	So you have to have to reload it.
	What do you mean, reload it?
	Just refresh it.
	Here, I'll pull up a chat.
	Bro, for the love of God, stop acting like such a beta.
	The show's awesome, but your emotional axe keeps derailing convos more than delusional girls don't linger so much on stuff.
	If she was late, don't let her on the show next time.
	Stop crying.
	Hold on.
	I got something for this.
	Uh, word.
	You know, we just, here at the whatever podcast, we hold people accountable.
	Okay, sometimes.
	Sounds right, though.
	I mean, let's be honest.
	Okay, JoJo the delusional.
	Actually, Jojo, can you read this?
	Jojo the delusional, the first of her name, Queen of the Thoughts, and the beta men, protector of the seven 304s, the mother of chair sniffers, the Khaleesi of the illogical, the broken brains, the breaker of hope of humanity.
	Claim your throne, my dear.
	Thank you.
	It's very sweet.
	Yeah, he was spared.
	To compare me to Khaleesi, oh my god.
	Oh, good.
	Okay.
	Can you read this one again, JoJo?
	To please the ego of the girl from Prison Break and Jojo, a place where the first victim of war is a woman is in Palestine with those crazy women carrying out suicide bomb attacks.
	Okay.
	Thank you for that.
	Nick, do you have.
	All right, let's play this.
	So these were men trying to escape.
	I'm not going to play the whole video, but just to show it to you, those are men getting yanked out of it.
	They're trying to leave the country.
	Yanked out of this van, getting assaulted by military police.
	And actually, the funny thing, if those men had been like prisoners of war being treated that way, that'd be a war crime to do that.
	But because they're Ukrainian men, eh, it's fine.
	Just fine.
	So, does that?
	No, I agreed with you in the context that you gave me.
	Do you think women who were trying to flee the country would get beat on?
	You told me?
	No, they would just write this way.
	Let me just chaperone you out of the country and you can go to the UK and go to Norway to go fuck the men there.
	Sure, yeah.
	I agree with you.
	In this context, you're giving me, yes, I agree with you.
	Okay, so I'll ask.
	In the Ukraine war, who are the primary victims of war?
	In the context that you have told me, I'm going to say men.
	In the context you, I don't know enough about information, so I don't want to speak on things I don't know too much about, but in the context, yes.
	Who are the primary victims of the Ukraine war?
	Men or women?
	In the context you gave me, men.
	What do you mean in the context I gave you?
	I'm not just speaking in those contexts.
	I'm speaking in general for the Ukraine war.
	But I see it.
	How can I make a general assumption based off something I don't know?
	I've just provided evidence for you.
	That's why I said in the context you provided, man.
	I don't understand what do you mean, the context.
	The context of you pulling up one video and one article, right?
	Well, are you, do you think that there's doubts about the article I pulled up?
	Not at all.
	Do you think I'm making it up that men were barred from leaving Ukraine?
	No, of course not.
	Okay, so knowing that, just based off of that, wouldn't you just.
	Well, it's because you're also telling me that like women are partying at fucking guys in Norway in Norway and stuff like that.
	That's exactly what they're doing.
	That's true, sorry, in the picture.
	Yeah, you can pull it.
	It's blurred, right?
	It's the blurred one?
	Okay, we'll pull this one up.
	I have a question.
	Okay, so on the left is a bunch of screenshots from dating app profiles, primarily Tinder, and it's a bit small, but these are all Ukrainian women that were screenshotted on dating apps in various other countries.
	On the right, we had to blur it out.
	I'll let you, you can make some assumptions about what's on the right, but it's males on the right, females on the left.
	Okay.
	Ukrainian men on the right, mind you.
	Does that change anything?
	Sure, men are the...
	Now, what if I told you for all military conflicts, along those lines, it's about the same.
	That women get to escape and men have to stay and die.
	You're making crazy assumptions that women are not only getting to not be part of the war, that they're also sleeping around, living it up, partying.
	Like, that's so crazy.
	Tell you what.
	Let's just remove the fact that women are sleeping with men in different countries from all military conflicts.
	They're just celibate, right?
	Let's just say these women are celibate.
	Let's remove that from the argument entirely.
	So does that change anything?
	No, it's not changing anything.
	But you're saying it's a leap for me to say that men are more like...
	Because you conceded earlier that men are more likely to be casualties of war.
	Uh...
	Another arguments online was that they are more of the casualty of war, but indirect casualties of war after or because of war is women and domestic violence as well, domestic, like civilization.
	They're not domestic, like in civil wars, domestic, like in your own nation, more women die than men with like civil wars and things like that.
	That's also.
	You mean civilians or including military deaths?
	No, I and civilian deaths.
	The article didn't state if it was including military wars.
	You read an article.
	What organization was this article from?
	It's like the Harvard Business Journal.
	Harvard again?
	Yeah.
	This is kind of where I go to.
	So, okay, you're, I don't even know what to say.
	It's just such a ridiculous position.
	So you're saying Bender the offender donated $100.
	Can we please get the sentence just because I don't know enough about information framed and put up on the wall behind her?
	I would frame it as well.
	Okay, I feel like this all comes down to how we're defining harm.
	And I think you stuck out, Brian, when we were talking about this.
	But she essentially said she doesn't see being killed as the worst thing that can happen to someone.
	Now, the rest of us, I think, would disagree, which is why we would say men are the primary victim.
	But if she, I don't, you kind of implied that what you thought was the repercussions of seeing people you love, your husbands, boyfriends, them dying, that could be more harmful.
	So by her scale of what's the most harmful, then she is right.
	But by ours, which is what most logical people would think, is that killing is the worst thing that can happen to someone.
	Well, no, hold on.
	No, no, no, no.
	I even reject her scale of what's the most harmful.
	Well, I disagree with the two.
	I totally reject this idea that, well, men die, but the lingering effects are more harmful than those deaths experienced by men.
	It's ridiculous.
	I think then the conversation just has to be, what is the worst thing that can happen to someone?
	Because she just is not going by her definition.
	It's probably different from the person, though.
	We're not going to linger on it for any longer, but I have two more questions.
	Two more questions, then we're going to move on.
	Okay.
	So, my dear, who was the primary victim of war in World War I?
	Men or women?
	Women.
	Okay.
	I don't get why the war is going to change the outcome.
	Who was the primary victim?
	Hold on.
	Okay.
	Who is the primary victim of World War II?
	oh my god let me just who was the primary victim of world war ii Men or women?
	Women.
	Crazy.
	Oh, my God.
	I don't know why this is like the which war is going to change.
	You can see that the Ukraine war, it was men, right?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	So again, those things I list, like the three examples I gave you, there were similar things occurring in World War I, World War II, and pretty much all wars that ever existed.
	The women get to leave, the women are protected, the men are forced to go and die.
	Well, I just think there's a big, again, I use the term think because I don't know, right?
	I don't know.
	What do you mean you do know?
	You can literally look at Wikipedia.
	Number of military deaths, World War I, number of military deaths, World War II.
	What percentage are women?
	What percentage are men?
	The military deaths are almost exclusively men in these conflicts.
	There is more civilian deaths, though.
	What?
	I looked it up.
	There is more civilian deaths overall.
	More total civilian deaths.
	Yes, including men and women.
	Of course.
	Okay, so.
	Because you always use the case of only military, but here, let's do this.
	Let's say that there's 20 million military deaths and they're all men.
	And then there's 20 million civilian deaths and 10 million are women and 10 million are men.
	So 30 million men versus 10 million women.
	In that situation, who's the primary victim of war?
	If we're only going by the standard of death, nothing else is a factor, then yes, men.
	If nothing else is a standard, nothing else is happening as like...
	What else is happening?
	Like just any of, like I said, any other thing that you could.
	Which would also happen to male civilians.
	Not as much as it's happening with females.
	We're talking about SA.
	Yeah.
	So let's say there's 100,000 women get essayed, and then there's 10 million civilian deaths for both genders, and then there's 20 million male-only military deaths.
	You're saying that the 100,000 SAs tips the scale for women being the primary victims of the people.
	I didn't say just the SA alone was like the reason why I thought.
	So what other things that are exclusively happening to women besides that?
	If I grant you that women are disproportionately being essayed, what other bad things are only happening to women?
	So in this argument, you're saying only happening to women.
	Your claim is that because military, it's predominantly men, that's the only happening to men in the military.
	Like, I'm trying to check those two.
	If you could, this is almost like a trolley dilemma, sort of trolley problem.
	So, if you could, are you familiar with the trolley dilemma?
	No.
	Okay, you have a choice, right?
	You pull a lever, it either kills one this trolley, it's going along a track, it would otherwise kill five people.
	If you pull the lever, it would kill one.
	So, I'm going to give you a sort of kind of trolley dilemma.
	So, 100 women get SA'd, or you can pull the lever, you can choose, instead of that happening, 50 million men die.
	Which do you pick?
	The 100 women in that case.
	What do you mean?
	In that case, that you gave me a hundred, yes, a hundred women I would choose.
	But again, you would choose that they that happens to them, yeah.
	Okay, what about 10 million men again?
	What you said, sure, I'll choose the 100.
	Okay, what about a hundred thousand to a hundred thousand death versus we don't know the extent of like either of those,
	though a hundred thousand die, and it's a 20-minute, you know, and obviously there's trauma going on beyond that, but that's the comparison of cereal donated $100.
	Women will only die if all the carnage from the war zones find their way to the densely populated cities, unless women agree to suit up, strap up, and stick to trenches on the front lines.
	Any takers?
	Wait, hold on.
	I actually have, I actually have, thank you, Killer of Cereal.
	Any takers, ladies here, let's talk about okay, World War II.
	You know, the United Kingdom, right?
	UK, so they're an island nation.
	So, Germany, while they bombed their aerial attacks on various British cities, Germany never did a land invasion of the UK.
	Okay.
	So, there was no SA in the UK.
	There were civilian deaths.
	Bear in mind, there's male civilians and female civilians.
	So, looking at World War II, looking at the populace of Great Britain, who was the primary victim of World War II: Great British men or great British women?
	The men.
	Why?
	Because if nothing is happening other than the harm of their family members of a lot of the citizens, yeah, in that case.
	I think I'm going to call that a checkmate.
	Is that a checkmate?
	That might be a checkmate.
	No, it's not a checkmate.
	I think I got you.
	It's not a checkmate because of again, it's what she said, too.
	What you define is a victim.
	I think that's a W no matter what.
	I was just going to ask chat.
	That's a big W for the whatever podcast, right?
	I think.
	Hello?
	Okay.
	Let me read these chats and then we'll get to some of our stuff.
	Oh my God.
	Okay, we're moving on.
	Okay.
	The chick with the glasses on her head thinks that there's a secret Iranian civil war that all Western intelligence agencies are unaware of.
	OMFG, you can't make this up.
	My God, drugs, what the fuck?
	Stop smoking.
	Crack woman.
	Don't shoot the messenger.
	I'm not.
	It was CSI.
	Sounded like she knew what she was talking about.
	Also, like, literally, Google Iranian news, like, politics, anything every single day.
	You can see calm.
	Okay, we'll definitely Google that.
	All right, let's get back to the holy moly.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	We were talking about being late.
	Yes.
	Let's talk about dating.
	So it's in the dating context, okay?
	Not the fact that you were an hour late and you were an hour 30 minutes late.
	Just in general, we're talking about being late, right?
	So I think you were making the point that.
	The point is that it's a stereotype for a reason that women are always late.
	Is it justified, though?
	No.
	I think it's a legit stereotype, but I think it's a stereotype.
	But you said that men should be more patient and more accepting of women being late to dates.
	Well, often, like, a male is rushing a woman to get ready when they have somewhere to go.
	Let's talk about first date, though.
	Okay.
	Is that your experience that you've had in your relationships?
	The guys rushing you?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	They have somewhere to go.
	And so your position is, though, men should be more patient.
	Couldn't.
	Not all.
	Shouldn't it be women should just be on time?
	Shouldn't that be the stance?
	But not all women are not on time.
	Do you think that's women's help it?
	Like, do you think that it's like a disability?
	No.
	Yes.
	I mean, I get that it's a stereotype.
	It happens a lot of plays.
	I mean, it's a stereotype for a lot of things.
	It's also a stereotype for yoga teachers.
	Like, every single one of my yoga teachers and mentors were always like the things.
	Oh, yeah, the hippie people.
	But, you know, it's just one of those things, right?
	I'm going to run like the most fucking ruthlessly yoga business and be like, yo, you got to fucking show up on time.
	Get into fucking dung or dog right now.
	Drop it, give me 20.
	Let me see your fucking tree pose, motherfucker.
	On time.
	No, I'm good on that.
	Aren't they pretty crazy?
	Don't they usually charge you if you're late?
	So one of the previous messages, they were asking, well, how late is too late?
	So maybe we can go around the table on this, get everybody's input.
	You know, what's too late?
	Too late where they're also not texting you?
	Let me prompt it like this.
	So like, let's say you're on a first, you're meeting up with a guy, first date.
	And how long would you wait before just leaving?
	Yeah, I'd probably wait like 20 minutes.
	Yeah, probably 20 minutes.
	If they were communicating with me, I'd wait a little bit longer, but yeah, I'd give them like 15 before I bounced.
	30 minutes.
	30?
	Okay.
	What about you?
	Yeah, I'd say 20 with no communication if I'm hearing via text.
	Wait, Matty, I need you to be like 30.
	I need you to get a whip, Maddie.
	Talk to me.
	You need to be on her like white on rice.
	Speaking to the fucking talking into the mind.
	So I'd say 20 minutes, like just randomly, like no communication.
	And then if there was communication, I'd say like 30 to 45 minutes, depending on how good the excuse is.
	Okay, Maddie, what about you?
	I honestly say like 10 to 20 minutes because I'm always on time.
	It would depend on how much I like the guy, to be honest.
	But probably 20 minutes, depending on the situation, but in general, I would probably wait 20 minutes.
	Matt, what about you?
	Without communication, I'm gone in 10 minutes.
	But if they're texting, which is, I mean, if you search my messages and just type in running late, it's just hilarious how many times it happens.
	But at least they communicate.
	So generally, I would say of first dates, 40% are going to send me that text and be late.
	But if they don't say anything, I'm going to leave after 10.
	Really?
	Have you ever had a date where they were running late and you actually did leave?
	A girl I was seeing was habitually late.
	Habitual late?
	It was a thing, and I drew a line and I said, this doesn't happen anymore.
	And she was one minute late.
	I had already left.
	One minute late?
	Fucking giga chat.
	Yeah, because you should show up early.
	You know, this is a thing.
	If this is like a consistent thing, it's not like, you know, it was our first date.
	It was after seeing this person and always kind of going through this for months.
	I'm like, hey, if you want to keep seeing me, you're going to be early.
	And even if you sit in your car for 10 minutes ahead of time so we can get to where we're going on time, be on time.
	Gotta be on time.
	And at 6.01, I was out the door.
	Is any of your company watches?
	And like, I feel like if you're on the watch, that means that I should care about time, right?
	I don't know.
	That makes sense.
	Look, it's important because guys are the ones basically responsible for like, you know, setting the date.
	You set a time.
	You're the one that's going to deal with the shit if you're late and then the reservation gets canceled and you have to deal with like booking something new.
	And then, I mean, yeah, it's a stereotype.
	It's a thing.
	But like, we basically are the ones dealing with repercussions of that.
	And, you know, I will tolerate like tardiness and stuff.
	That's like normal.
	People have human errors, but if it's just all the time, it just means that they're not prioritizing that.
	What's your time?
	Like, how long until you leave?
	It depends if, you know, I think the polite thing is you're going to know before the planned me time if you're going to be late 10, 20 minutes before, maybe even longer.
	So I think you should, as soon as you know you're going to be late, you should give them advanced notice.
	Depending on how long you're going to be late, because that way, if they haven't left yet, you give them an opportunity to be like, oh, I'm going to kick it here for like another 10 minutes.
	Sometimes it doesn't always get to that point, though.
	So if I'm already there, it's one thing like if I'm like, okay, I'll just, oh, you want to push it 30 minutes?
	They let me know 30 minutes beforehand.
	That's fine.
	Because then I haven't even arrived yet.
	That's cool.
	But if I'm already there and then they're like, oh, I'm running late, but it's before the time we're supposed to meet, I'll give a bit more leeway, maybe 20 minutes.
	Otherwise, if they tell me 25.30, maybe this is kind of like being a dick.
	I'm not even, I'm just going to leave and I'm not even going to tell you I'm leaving.
	You can show up.
	Oh my God, I'm such a dick.
	Yeah, fuck you.
	Okay, I'm just, all right.
	You know.
	How do you respond when they're like, hey, I'm going to, you know, so sorry, I'm going to be 20 minutes late?
	How do I respond?
	Yeah, like on a first date.
	Let's say you like her.
	You know, you guys had good rapport in the dating app and she says, hey, I'm really sorry.
	I'm going to be 20 minutes late.
	Are you cute about it?
	Or do you let her know you're irritated?
	I'm going to see how it goes when she meets in person.
	So I'd be like, I've had situations.
	I just want the smallest token apology.
	If she comes in and she's just like, oh, hey, sorry, I'm late.
	Like, my bad.
	How's your day going?
	But if she doesn't give like a token apology, I'm going to be like, yo.
	There's like a totality of the circumstances, though.
	So did she give a heads up?
	That helps.
	If she's telling me, let's say we're supposed to meet at 7 p.m. and at 7.10, she tells me, hey, I'm going to be there at 7.20, 7.30.
	I'm already here.
	That's kind of, but then if she walks, if she's late and I've been there for 10, 20 minutes and she doesn't even just say, you don't need to like be on the floor like begging for forgiveness.
	Just like a, oh, shoot, sorry, I'm late.
	My bad.
	How's your day going?
	And then we just get into the convo.
	If she just shows up and she's like doesn't even offer up the token apology, I'm gonna be a little, I'm not gonna be like a dickhead about it, but I'm just gonna be like, okay, she lacks basic courtesy and etiquette.
	Because I think if you're late, at least offer up a token.
	Yeah, it's disrespectful of your time.
	Yeah, it's just like I would, if I was late, I'd be like, oh, sorry, I'm late.
	My bad.
	Do you do you confirm date plans, Dave?
	If it's already locked?
	Let's say that you do.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	I'll text and do a little confirmation.
	But I wonder if we could do an etiquette test on this.
	Yeah.
	Do you guys?
	How so?
	I'll know.
	Do you guys give, offer the token apology?
	Do you say, oh, sorry, I'm late?
	If I'm late, I feel terrible.
	I got crashed into and I still showed up, but it's super late, and I like felt so bad.
	Yeah, if they're like kind of again, you don't have to be like on your knees begging for forgiveness, but if you just offer like a you know, acknowledgement, I think that's it.
	Yeah, that's it.
	But if it's like a, I think it's a bad first impression to be 20, 30 minutes late to a first date.
	And yeah, and I've had, I've had the time when there's this girl.
	She told me, she told me we're supposed to meet at 7.
	7.10, I'm there five minutes early.
	7.10, she texts me.
	I'm running late.
	Can we please move on donated $100?
	Yeah, we'll do it right after this.
	Can they make themselves 1 to 10?
	We'll do it right after this.
	So I had a date.
	We're supposed to meet at 7 p.m.
	I got there five minutes early.
	7.10, she texts me, oh, I'm going to be late.
	I'm going to be there in 10 minutes.
	7.20, she's not there.
	I leave.
	At 7.30, I get a text, where are you?
	And I just don't respond to her.
	And that's it.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, it's just like, eh.
	You know, you know what I mean.
	I agree with that.
	I would do that.
	But also, if you had like, was it the first aid?
	First aid.
	If you had really liked this girl, like if you were super excited about it and you had a great rapport over the dating app and texting, and then that happened, you give her a little more leeway?
	Oh, I don't like girls until I meet them.
	I have to meet them first.
	I never get too invested.
	Yeah, yeah, that's fair.
	But would I give her more leeway if she was like super hot?
	Is that kind of...
	I mean, you know, if you have great chemistry over like...
	So she was super hot?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Nah, probably.
	I'd still.
	Okay.
	I'd still probably just dip.
	Yeah.
	I mean, I get leaving because like, honestly, like, that would be disrespectful.
	But the fact that you were like kind of mentioning it, oh, like, I'm kind of getting an ego boost from like not answering it is kind of like problematic.
	I don't know.
	Like, it just kind of shows a glimpse of your personality.
	Bro, this girl's.
	She's got it out for me tonight, gentlemen.
	But that's just me.
	What's the ego boost?
	Like, you were like, oh, yeah, I'm going to not even respond back to her when she's like, where are you at?
	Like, I don't know.
	Just the way you were saying it.
	I'm like.
	Yeah, you're not worth my time anymore.
	Right.
	There's a way to respect.
	Let me ask you.
	So, okay, if somebody wrongs you in some sort of way, for example, if I'm going to break up with a girl and she's done something to disrespect me, she's not owed closure.
	And I certainly don't owe closure to some girl I've never met in person.
	You're not owed shit.
	Women pull that shit all the time.
	I don't owe you shit.
	You're not anybody to me.
	We're not dating.
	You're not my boyfriend.
	I don't owe you anything.
	I'm just calling out the way you seem to very much enjoy like an ego post of putting somebody on red on that.
	So, I mean, I get it.
	What she did was disrespectful and I'll totally do the same thing too, but I wouldn't be like, oh, I just left her on.
	Or like left him on red and I feel great and that's a dope move.
	No, it's it's it's I mean I if I wanted to really be egotistical about it, I would like play with them even further.
	I'm just not responding to you.
	Like I'm have you ever ghosted somebody?
	Yeah.
	Have you ever blanked somebody, just block them?
	Yeah, that's fine.
	And it's fine for men.
	Right.
	That's fine too.
	I'm just calling you out for your expression of like trying to ghost somebody and like feeling great about it.
	Like, I don't know.
	You can pull up the little clip when you.
	Yeah, sure.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	You got me.
	Did you say you felt great about it?
	Huh?
	Did you say you felt great?
	I forgot.
	I mean, I'm not sure.
	I'm pretty sure you said, God, I'm such a dick.
	I don't think that was you expressing that you felt great about it.
	I don't think anyone.
	No, it's me.
	No, I would rather the date would have just proceeded.
	move on but go like pull back 10 seconds and it was and it was the first time that he mentioned it I feel like it's very, I mean, maybe this is an appeal to hypocrisy, and this isn't actually me engaging you in, like, non-fallacious argumentation, but, like, again, this is an appeal to hypocrisy.
	You did stab a guy in the neck on the first date.
	Right.
	And I made commitments too.
	Don't cast stones in glass houses.
	Like, okay, I ghosted a girl because she was 30 minutes late to a date.
	And I'm so glad the not dating donated $100.
	Complaining about Brian leaving them on red.
	Shit, son.
	You literally someone on stabbed.
	Complaining about Brian, let me just read this back in case we missed it.
	Complaining about Brian leaving them on red, you literally left someone on stabbed.
	I didn't complain that you left the girl on red, or I would do the same thing.
	I guess it goes.
	I ghost guys all the time, but I'm just saying like you're just gonna get it.
	You ghost guys all the time, so why are you complaining about that?
	Yeah, I'm just pointing out a specific particular manner that you had during the video, and I think it shows more about your personality.
	I know earlier we were talking about how people like have done mistakes in the past, or are they datable?
	Are they not dateable?
	And just wanted to kind of acclimate on that.
	But you can see that.
	Cassada, if you're pissed.
	Oh, shit.
	You know.
	Cool story, bro.
	Thank you for sharing.
	Kasadia, if you're pissed at me for being 10 minutes late, that's just petty to me.
	You seem like you would be too sensitive.
	That's not manly to me.
	Well, I didn't say 10 minutes.
	I think I said 20 or 30 minutes.
	It's not petty.
	It's like, this is your first impression when it comes to going on a date.
	Either you don't value my time, like for me, you think it's petty, but something I value in a potential girlfriend, partner, wife is somebody who's punctual, reliable, stick to commitments.
	This is your first impression.
	If I'm dating an adult, like you're an adult, it's not that hard to be on time.
	Look, I get it.
	Stuff happens.
	And I said, I would certainly give leave way.
	You know, something happened.
	You gave me a heads up.
	That's more acceptable.
	And I didn't say 10 minutes.
	20 minutes?
	Yeah, I'm dipping.
	And I would actually say, I'd like to ask the chat.
	Let's, Nick, can you pull up the chat?
	Chat, a girl is late to a date.
	How long do you wait until you leave?
	Without communication.
	And I also, it's also really disrespectful to the restaurant, too, because they don't plan accordingly.
	$406 donated $100.
	Being late is a major red flag.
	Have you ever lied about a time to help someone be on time and they are still late?
	Yeah.
	People are saying 10 minutes, 20 minutes, 10 to 15.
	I think 10 to 20, that's probably a normal range to be like, yo, this is bad first impression.
	I might dip.
	10 minutes, damn, five minutes.
	I would weigh more than that, but to each their own.
	Cassadia, if you're pissed at me for being 10 minutes late, that's just petty to me.
	You seem like you would be too sensitive.
	That's not manly to me.
	No, it's not about being too sensitive or being petty.
	It's just about respect.
	And if this is going to be your first impression, I mean, you're going to have to, I don't know.
	Do you have something?
	Yeah, I'm not pissed ever either.
	I just go, eh, okay, good to know now, you know.
	And I'll set up another date for 30 minutes later.
	And she'll be on time.
	Oh, shit.
	You should power move.
	Be on a date with someone else that just shows up.
	Yeah.
	Oh, whoa.
	Carl Bennington.
	Maddie, can you read it?
	Lydia, I don't care.
	I'm still the king.
	God/slash Rolo.
	Stop being in people's bodies.
	Do you know this one?
	I'm confused.
	Wait, is this the same guy?
	Yeah, it's the same guy.
	Is the last part a reference to me being pro-life?
	Wait, is he doing like the squat piece?
	Okay, well, Carl Bennington, what's up?
	Carl, I don't care what a woman does with her body.
	She can shave her head bald.
	She can tattoo her forehead.
	She can pierce her belly button.
	I don't care.
	That's her body, her choice.
	But a pre-born child has their own body, their own fingers, their own toes, their own heartbeat.
	They have their own body and therefore deserve their own bodily autonomy, which should begin at conception when a human life begins.
	So I don't care what a woman does with her body.
	And I believe women's rights begin at conception.
	At conception?
	Like fertilization.
	Yes.
	Do you take birth control?
	No, I do not.
	Do you think it should be legal?
	Birth control can be an abortive patient.
	That's why I'm asking.
	Because one of the ways that it works is it thins the lining, which would not allow a firm attachment of a fertilized egg.
	Right.
	So it's a little different because it's not the primary intent, and there are a lot of girls that unfortunately use it for other reasons.
	I think that birth control in general is terrible for women.
	Hormonally, yeah.
	Yeah, it's awful.
	Like one of my best friends, she's on birth control because she has issues with her menstrual cycle.
	And I'm like, girlfriend, you got to get off of that.
	It's terrible for you.
	The Bron Acesons donated $100.
	Ratings left to right.
	Sarah Michelle Geller 6, Madison 8, Grandma 3, Ghetto Cola 3, Pink Shirt High in a 7, Canadian the Cups, Jojo out of bags, dead to me 1.
	Gustavo, get the rocks for Jojo.
	Get the rocks.
	I'll be home.
	Get the rocks.
	Get the rocks.
	Canadian acupuncts is a significant thing.
	I didn't get a number.
	Canadian Acups.
	Swooped down.
	Actually, on the birth control thing, just going around, are you on birth control?
	If so, what?
	I'm not on birth control.
	Not on birth control.
	Not on birth control?
	No.
	No.
	No, but I have a useful question for you.
	Wait, before you ask your probably totally unrelated questions, for the dozenth time, can you kindly speak into the microphone?
	Like, I'm literally begging you.
	Like, please, how many times have I asked you to speak into the microphone?
	Can you just please just talk into the microphone?
	Yes.
	Maddie?
	I said no.
	No.
	The second.
	Wait, really?
	Yeah.
	You got one?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Oh, you got two kids.
	It's the best.
	All right.
	Okay, let's do the rating question.
	It's about this topic.
	About pro-choice, pro-life.
	Just like, I know you mentioned earlier that you were looking for a partner who was Christian.
	So I was wondering, like, this is your view of, like, would end, like, the circumstances of birth control.
	Is that like coming from a stage?
	I'm just curious.
	I mean, like, is that coming from a Christian?
	Right.
	I don't think you have to be a Christian to be against killing babies, and I also don't think you have to be a Christian to see that there are issues with birth control.
	I know a lot of non-Christian women that are like birth control is terrible for women, besides the fact that it can also kill a pre-born child.
	And obviously, most women who are taking birth control are not taking it with that intention.
	So I fully recognize that.
	A lot of women just have no idea, and I don't think that's something that you have to be a Christian to agree with.
	Like, yes, obviously, as a Christian, you should be pro-life.
	But I think anyone can be.
	And I hope that the pro-life movement is open to everyone.
	All right, Carl Bennington, feminist question mark.
	I don't judge.
	I don't know.
	Is that the same guy?
	It's the same guy.
	I'd have never seen this guy in my life.
	So what's up, bro?
	Thank you, Carl Bennington.
	Appreciate it, man.
	Thank you.
	You're a fucking legend.
	Okay, we have Stiffler getting to this one.
	Ask everyone to rate their looks, looks, on a scale of one to ten, starting with you going around the table.
	Go ahead.
	Six.
	Six.
	Six, seven, eight.
	I'm quite older.
	I'm going to say four.
	Are you sure you're not on liquor duck?
	Are you sure?
	No, I'm sorry.
	I know.
	Are you okay?
	Do you fucking have amnesia or something?
	I'd say maybe a four or a five.
	Okay.
	How about scoot in?
	Will that help?
	Yeah.
	So you just fucking tape it to her face so it's like in my mouth.
	Do we have any duct tape back there?
	No, I'm just kidding.
	Most of you guys are there.
	I think that we are all a 10 in God's eyes, and that's all that matters.
	Sorry.
	Okay, we'll talk about it.
	Killer of cereal donated $100.
	Thank you, man.
	Appreciate it.
	Responsible women who have children able to get their kids to practice on time.
	Start getting ready early for dinner dates with their husbands and make all DR. Appointments and interviews.take notes.
	Based here at the Whatever podcast, we respect women and we believe women are capable of being on time.
	Let's go.
	And yeah, let's fucking go.
	Let's fucking go.
	Let's fucking go.
	Women are wonderful and they can be on time and reliable and punctual.
	You're always better people.
	Yeah, I'm a real trailblazer here.
	I want that clip alone.
	There we go.
	All the criticisms of the whatever podcast just totally destroyed.
	Right there, yeah, right there.
	I'm such a, yeah.
	Wait, where, oh, okay, you were saying all people are tens.
	Is that it?
	Yeah, and God, obviously, there's like a human perspective, but I don't think that matters in the grand scheme of things.
	So all people are tense?
	In God's eyes, yes.
	I believe that God has made us all in his image and that we are all in.
	So you're ten.
	Wait, so if that's all tens, you're all done.
	Thank you.
	So when it comes to Bender the Offender donated $100.
	So if you believe life begins at conception, would you support a woman who seeks child support before the birth of the child?
	Brian, I think you know what I am referencing.
	Heck yes.
	Child support should begin at conception.
	Men should be held responsible 100%.
	How can you determine who's responsible for paying the child support before birth?
	So I've had people bring that up to me.
	So obviously most women use, I mean, there are cases where they don't know who the father is, but I think that we can make our best guesses and then they can get their money back if you do a paternity test and find out.
	That's dog shit.
	That's absolute, as a men's advocate, that's absolute dog shit.
	Well, I value a woman being able being empowered in her pregnancy and being empowered to choose life over a potential inconvenience for a man.
	Like I do think that Men should not be taken advantage of, but also don't sleep with women if you're not willing to pay for child support.
	Like, just don't engage in activity.
	I mean, he didn't do it alone.
	What do you mean?
	He didn't sleep with the people.
	No, they both did.
	Like, I'm not saying the man has to, like, she has no accountability there to, like, no, no, no, I'm not saying that he has to pay solely for everything, but I think it should be split 50-50 throughout the pregnancy and afterbirth.
	So, like, the money goes into an escrow until the paternity is determined?
	I'd have to think about that more, but I do think that we should, like, I think it would be a case-by-case kind of thing.
	But I do think that, like, we should be doing our best to support a woman in her pregnancy.
	And if that means, like, sorry, dude, we got the wrong dad, like, he can get that back later in life.
	And, like, yeah, that sucks for him, but I'm prioritizing the baby and the mother in the situation.
	How would you pay for a pet who has to pet?
	I mean, I feel like usually the woman has a pretty.
	I mean, I mean, she could also just say that this guy's a dad.
	Yeah, she could.
	And I think that's totally wrong.
	And you could do paternity tests and be like, and then she could be penalized for that.
	Do you think paternity tests should be mandatory?
	I don't think they should be mandatory, but I think you should be able to get one, absolutely.
	But I also just think it goes to this underlying problem of this hookup culture where people are just hooking up with whoever they want and then like knowing that their actions could create a human being and then just going, whoa, I'm not responsible.
	Yeah, I think that a huge issue, like, and the abortion issue is men because we know that a majority of women who are getting abortions feel pressured into having them, whether it be parent, society, or the father of the child.
	And I think usually from the ones I worked with, it is the father of the child.
	They hand them their credit cards, they take care of it, or they just leave them all together and say, it's a woman's thing, I'm not going to get involved.
	And so I think this is hugely problematic that men are just having sex with whoever they want and then not being held accountable for it.
	Well, the men don't want.
	I think we're just not having the conversations about it before about what?
	Like the consequences of what we're getting into versus doing it after.
	I'm so glad I'm not dating donated $100.
	If you have the right to blend the head, I need the right to withhold the bread.
	Financial abortion.
	Bender.
	Yeah, I'll address that.
	Bender the offender.
	I think you want me to ask this question not to her, but to the other people on the panel.
	So there is, it's called paper abortion, financial abortion, but I think the preferred term among men who advocate for this, or I suppose women who advocate for this, is legal paternal surrender.
	So essentially, if a woman has a right to an abortion, a man should have a corresponding right to relinquish his any financial responsibility in the same way that a woman may very well, as pretext for getting an abortion, she might get one because she's not financially able to.
	So if the woman is able to abort the child, murder the child, however you want to frame it, so too should the man have an option to relinquish financial responsibility.
	Yep.
	It's the only rational decision to make while abortion is legal.
	And it's up to a woman solely.
	So the man should be able to at least decide what he's going to do if she has a decision there as well.
	It's a very good point.
	And I definitely, in any state or any country where abortion is legal, there too should be a way for a man to do legal paternal surrender.
	Hey, I'm not financially ready.
	It's funny because when it comes to this conversation, even women who are pro-choice, when it comes to the man's responsibility in the scenario, they basically will argue pro-life positions for the man.
	So they're pro-choice when it comes to women's responsibility, but when it comes to man's responsibility, they turn into like bronze age 1950s pro-lifers.
	It's very convenient.
	Who here is pro-choice?
	Yeah, I wanted to go around the table on that.
	You?
	I'm not sure.
	We'll wait for Julie.
	Pro-choice.
	I'm pro-life.
	I'm pro-life.
	Well, we know you.
	And do you support a man having the sort of the same decision to completely agreed what you guys were just saying?
	I think a lot of times there are situations where you guys have heard horror stories of women trying to trap celebrities into paying child support and things like that, where they'll poke holes in the condoms, like situations like that.
	So I think it's ridiculous that.
	Well, just don't just don't have, like, the celebrity can still choose not to have sex.
	Like, you can't put your faith in a condom.
	Like, that would be like, imagine there's a big red button in the middle of the table and if you push beaten cheeks donated $100.
	Beaten cheeks.
	Any woman who declines a paternity test or even during dating a woman and you ask her if she against it before getting serious, get rid of that woman.
	She is a garden tool.
	Thank you, Beaten Cheeks.
	Thank you, sir.
	Can I continue?
	Yeah, go ahead.
	Okay.
	So imagine there's a big red button in the middle of the table and there is a 1% chance that if you push the button, a human being will be created that's fully dependent on you.
	Can you push that button and then a human being be created in that 1% chance and then be like, whoa, I am not responsible for this, even though you are responsible for your actions of pushing the button?
	No, I don't think so.
	So I think if a guy is engaging in consensual sex with a woman, he should absolutely be responsible for the child he creates.
	So disappointed with my fellow North Carolina citizen.
	That's a ridiculous stake.
	What exactly is the negative of making paternity tests mandatory?
	Imagine if somehow women didn't know if their kid was theirs.
	I might have been gone.
	Did we talk about, did you guys?
	I don't really think we, I haven't, I don't really have an issue.
	Oh, you're against paternity tests?
	I'm not against it.
	I just think it should be optional.
	Like, for instance, when I get married and I have a kid, I don't need a paternity test to prove that it'll be my husband that has to do with the parents.
	You don't.
	You don't.
	No, but some other people do.
	And for those cases, I do absolutely think they do.
	Well, no woman needs a well.
	Okay.
	If you give birth to a child, you know the child's yours.
	There might be questions as to who the father is.
	Wait, so are you pro-life or pro-choice?
	Pro-choice.
	Pro-choice.
	Bender, I want to come back to Bender the Offender because he had this question.
	Bender the Offender donates.
	Ignore the first part of the case.
	So if you believe life begins at conception, would you support a woman who seeks child support before the birth of the child?
	So for the ladies here who are pro-choice, when it comes to child support, and perhaps we sort of preemptively talked a bit about this, but for those of you who are pro-choice, in the event of, hold on, I'm just reading it.
	Would you support a woman being able to get child support before the child is born?
	No.
	I think that's crazy, you know.
	I want to say yes, but also like scientifically, it's so hard to like prove scientifically or like paternity to tests are complicated.
	Like ideally, yes.
	I feel like if a woman is pregnant and, you know, the man is there, like, they should help out with the pregnancy.
	But I think logistically, it just not makes sense.
	What if, like, in Canada, you're able to have...
	You can abort at any time.
	So what if you just want the money up until a certain point?
	What if I just say it's like Elon Musk kid?
	I'm like, oh, God.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Yeah.
	I don't think that's okay.
	I think you need to be able to prove that the child is yours before you start paying child support for it.
	So your position?
	I'm pro-choice, but I think there's like a, like, I don't think you should be aborting a baby, like, when it's like almost like, I guess, timeline-wise, when they first feel the heartbeat is, like, that's when I'm like, okay.
	So, you're against it after heartbeat?
	So, you're basically against all abortion, because a heartbeat begins 21 days after conception, which is before most women even know they're pregnant.
	I would have to do a little more research on that.
	What?
	Like, I don't, like, what I was trying to say is that, like, I guess you can, like, the first date that you know you're pregnant, like, you should, like, if that is like a choice you want to make, you should make it, there should be, like, a timeline, or like, I'm not familiar with, like, the weeks of whatever, but, like, at certain point, you're, if you're past that point, you shouldn't, you should not.
	So, are you saying that no matter when a woman finds out she's pregnant, she should be able to, like, have a day to decide whether or not she wants to keep it?
	No matter what?
	Not no matter what time.
	If it's earlier, and like, if it's a day or two finding out, yeah, she should be able to.
	What do you mean, a day or two finding out?
	At like five weeks, six weeks?
	I mean, obviously, I'm not familiar with like the what weeks are a lot of.
	The earliest you can find out is usually like four weeks, and that's usually pretty rare.
	Usually, it's around five to six weeks.
	I would say, like, eight weeks.
	At eight weeks is the cutoff?
	Yeah.
	And are you just making my argument, obviously?
	Are you just making like an arbitrary line on that?
	Or do you have any like reasoning behind it?
	I mean, I just think it makes more sense to like kind of like, because for a woman, they need to decide because it's their body.
	And I know earlier you were talking about financial responsibility.
	And I wanted to make a point that, yes, like men, men should be responsible for the child support, but also like they've made the decision to have sex with that woman.
	And if the woman has the option to get an abortion, that's because it's in their body.
	Like, men are not very important.
	So, why can't we apply the argument of, so you're saying men they should have just kept it in their pants, you made the choice to have sex.
	Consenting to sex as a man is consenting to 18 years of child support, but consenting to sex as a woman means you can murder your unborn child?
	That's your position, essentially?
	I don't see it as murder unless.
	It's fine.
	I'll be charitable.
	It's an abortion.
	Women can get rid of the, terminate the pregnancy.
	What exactly do you think happens in an abortion?
	Hold on, let's not get detailed here.
	Oh my gosh.
	She's ready to go in.
	Perhaps we can circle back to the abortion conversation, but can you provide a bit of clarification?
	Right.
	My question was: so, would you support a woman who seeks child support before the birth of the child?
	I said, like, I want, I think it does make sense if a woman is pregnant and she needs like supplies or certain things for being pregnant, I think the men should definitely support.
	But also, like, I know because a paternity test and like science is kind of complicated to confirm before the money is being paid out.
	So, logistically, it doesn't make sense, but ethically, I do believe in that scenario.
	At what, so do you think that the man should be paying child support from the point of conception?
	Like, from the point of being positive on the pregnancy tests.
	Let's just say there was some magical way for a woman to know.
	Let's say, I mean, I think what, within 72 hours of having sexual intercourse, if there was some magical way to know she was pregnant, I know some pregnancy tests can take, you might know, like how four weeks?
	Four weeks is generally the earliest.
	So, let's just say magically you can know within a week of having had sex.
	So, do you think that the man should be responsible for paying child support from the point of conception, assuming there's some magical method of knowing how?
	If she was supposed to be.
	That plus magical way of confirming that that is the father?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	But you think that same woman should be able to kill her child?
	You think that a man should be forced to pay?
	Before that point, before that.
	But it's not a child yet.
	What do you mean?
	Your argument is that it's not a child yet, so why do you care so much if a guy pays for it?
	Like, between the time of conception until, I'm sorry, I'm not familiar with the weeks, but the certain week that you mentioned, I think the woman should have the right of choice, but also during that period, men should not be responsible for paying it.
	But after that point, that's like, you know.
	So after Heartbeat, I think you said, they both shouldn't be allowed to either financially abort or actually abort the baby.
	Yes, but I want to add an extra week because I didn't know that that's like there at least.
	You can find out, you know.
	Now you know?
	No.
	Thank you.
	Good times.
	All right.
	We have Dog D-Wood, Lydia Fan Club in the House.
	You rock Lydia, you are based legend.
	Thank you.
	I think I might know this person.
	Is this Daniel?
	I think so.
	Thank you, Daniel.
	Thank you.
	All right, let me read a couple chats.
	I will come back.
	We are going to come back to the one to ten rating thing here.
	Maddie, can you read this?
	The Harley Quinn religious chick on the left wants men to pay for women's stupidity when they get pregnant.
	It's always funny how men have to be accountable for their actions, but women are given a free money.
	Just taking what Dorno donated, $200.
	Thank you, CS.
	Abortion, regardless of who pays for it, is robbing men of fatherhood and women of motherhood.
	Every woman has the ability to be a great mother to her child.
	Abortion takes it away from women.
	I'm just a guy.
	What do I know?
	Hey, thank you, man, for your patronage tonight.
	Big, another 200 TTS.
	Thank you, man.
	Really appreciate it.
	Regardless of who pays for it, robbing men of the fatherhood.
	Every woman has the ability to be a great mother.
	Every woman?
	It has the ability.
	Everyone has the ability, too.
	It doesn't mean that you will be a great mother, but that doesn't just happen.
	I don't know about every woman.
	A lot of women, I'll give you.
	Every woman?
	I don't know.
	Everyone has the ability.
	It doesn't mean that they will be a great mother, but that still doesn't just happen.
	Who's like a historical figure who's a woman who's just terrible?
	Just awful person.
	Some sort of queen, probably.
	Terrible person.
	Oh, oh my God.
	I feel like this might be too soon.
	Wait, what's her fucking name?
	The queen.
	You know who I'm talking about?
	Mary?
	The court case.
	Gypsy Rose?
	No, it was like 10 years ago, I think.
	Yeah.
	Casey Anthony?
	Yes.
	Casey Anthony.
	Maybe.
	Is this too soon?
	I don't know if she's ever really a mother.
	Like, that was an infant.
	You know, maybe?
	Not every woman.
	Yeah, that's.
	Casey Anthony?
	Also, there's like ops and possibly.
	Allegedly.
	You can also.
	Allegedly.
	I don't know the details.
	I mean, she did kill that child regardless, but allegedly, I don't know.
	Okay, all right.
	Let me read some more of the chats here.
	We have.
	Maddie, can you read this one?
	Girls nowadays want to SAD like it was a lollipop and they had a free pass at the Willy Wonka's factory, but they don't want to be responsible for their own actions.
	Facts.
	Yo, Raphael C. Barlatti.
	Wait, R?
	SAD?
	I don't know if you can get pregnant from what you're doing.
	What currency is this?
	What is the R?
	What is that?
	What currency is this?
	Is it rupees?
	Yeah, I suppose.
	Rubles?
	Rubles?
	Rupees?
	Yeah, I don't know.
	Is it rupees?
	Carl Zelda.
	It is.
	It's the same currency, I think.
	Rupees in India as well.
	Women can make mistakes.
	Women can make mistakes.
	I agree with abortion.
	Yo, Carl Bennington.
	What if a woman decides her toddler was a mistake and she just go kill her toddler then?
	Super late term.
	Yeah, I mean, some people, I have legit met a woman who had her three-year-old child and was so brainwashed by the pro-abortion movement that she thought she should be able to kill her three-year-old.
	I'm not even kidding.
	I mean, that's just like, that's mental illness.
	It's very common.
	You would be surprised.
	So do you give like the baby?
	Oh, the same rights as a born, let's call it a born.
	Obviously, like, not the right to like drive or something because that's all yeah, yeah, but like, yeah, the same, the same rights, yeah.
	So, do you think that like a neglectful pregnant woman that engages in some activity where her, like, it causes a miscarriage, she should go to prison for a while?
	Well, first of all, is she intentionally trying to do that?
	No, let's say that, but I mean, look, as a mother, let's say that you're just neglectful and you leave your kid in the car on accident and they die, you could go to jail for that.
	Okay, so my focus, first of all, is not to criminalize women.
	My goal is to end abortion, and I believe that women are second victims of the abortion industry.
	I think that obviously a majority of women getting abortions feel pressured into them.
	Obviously, the abortion industry is fueling sex trafficking.
	And obviously, women are also lied to.
	They're told that it's a clump of cells.
	A lot of them have no idea that they're killing an innocent person.
	Thank you, Waxy.
	I do believe in criminalizing abortionists, so I do think that they the doctors that are doing the abortions.
	Yeah, the abortions.
	But not the women.
	So, I think that, again, a lot of women don't even know that what they're doing is killing an innocent human being.
	And they're being lied to.
	A lot of women aren't shown the ultrasound of the baby, and they're told this lie that probably a lot of you believe.
	And you didn't even know that a heartbeat began so early, and there's this lie, and so they have no idea that what they're doing is killing an innocent child.
	Now, I do think in like a hundred years from now, if we make abortion unthinkable and the culture is pro-life, and everyone recognizes that is a human being in the womb that is equal to you and me, that could be something that I reconsider.
	But for now, my focus is to educate women on what abortion really is and end it.
	Are you ever worried about the fact that if women don't have safe access to abortion?
	Because they're still going to get abortions.
	Women are still going to have back alley abortions.
	They're still going to do whatever they can if they don't want that baby.
	Are you worried that if they don't have safe access to it, that's actually going to harm women more?
	So, first of all, there's no such thing as safe abortion because there's nothing safe about harming and killing an innocent child and sometimes harming a mother.
	But I also think that that's the same logic as saying let's legalize murder to make it easier for people to murder people.
	There's no justification.
	I think I need to think about that for a second.
	There's no justification.
	I have a question.
	Sorry.
	Sorry.
	I'm very sorry.
	I do have to move on for the sake of time.
	But if it comes up organically, we can come back to it.
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	Julie?
	Mm-hmm.
	Julie or Julia?
	Julie, Julie.
	Please, please.
	Everyone always calls me Julia.
	I hate it.
	Tell them what they should do right now on Twitch.
	About what?
	Oh, sub right now, please.
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	Whoa.
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	Okay, let me read this chat.
	We're going to come back to our good friend Stiffler here in just a sec.
	Maddie.
	Solipsism.
	Jojo isn't scared about dying in war.
	She's scared about essay from a war because if we are invaded, she has no man to protect her.
	Question for the panel: Do women want a protector?
	Do women want to protect her?
	So I just got to say yes or no.
	You have to.
	You have to.
	No.
	I would say most women want to protect her.
	I wish I could be in a position to protect myself, but also I'm 5'2, so maybe I guess I would prefer a man to help.
	Show us the guns.
	There is no guns.
	I'm built like a toothpick.
	Same.
	Toothpick.
	You know what you should do, Julie?
	You should start Startup Jiu-Jitsu so you can break two men's legs.
	I could be that.
	At the same time.
	Wait, were you there on that show?
	No, we just watched it.
	We thought it was a crazy comment.
	Listen, we have three McDonald's.
	If we have a jiu-jitsu place, I'm down.
	For those watching who don't know, we had a girl on a few panels ago who said she had a 4-11 friend who did jujitsu and she broke.
	Apparently, there were multiple attackers.
	She broke all their legs.
	So I don't know if that's one leg each.
	I don't know if she broke.
	She got fucking did one, you know, fucking like, what's it called?
	Knee reaped.
	Anybody here do jiu-jitsu?
	What's it called?
	A reap?
	What is it when you reap?
	Is that the term?
	Whisper in my ear.
	You got this.
	Gustavo, go ahead.
	Tell me the terms.
	It's a heel hook.
	Heel hook?
	Break the knee.
	Okay, thank you.
	Thank you, Gustavo.
	Thank you.
	That's why he's here to help me out with my jiu-jitsu knowledge.
	Wait, did we read this one from?
	I have a jujitsu place back home.
	Oh.
	Protect her.
	You want to protect her?
	Ideally.
	I was grabbing water.
	What was the question?
	Do a question for the panel.
	Do women want to protect her?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Yes.
	Beautiful.
	Okay, Maddie.
	As long as abortion is legal and birth control is allowed, men should be completely exempt from child support, alimony, and should be allowed to completely opt out from any responsibility when impregnating women.
	I concur.
	In any state or country where it's legal to get an abortion, men should have a corresponding right to forego any sort of responsibility.
	I agree.
	But that, but that also.
	To quote Dave Chappelle, I'll let you come in.
	To quote Dave Chappelle, if you can murder it, I can at least abandon it.
	Go ahead.
	So that also hurts the children, though.
	Like, if we want a society, I don't know.
	Sorry, hold on.
	Well, wait, this is.
	Oh, so sorry.
	I shouldn't.
	Go ahead.
	Like, if we want a better society where people have more opportunities and things like that, like, we shouldn't want men to abandon their children.
	I mean, abortion is.
	Yeah, I agree.
	Yeah, thank you, man.
	I appreciate it.
	Female privilege.
	Women who knowingly commit abortion should be held accountable.
	Christian girl, do you think God sees abortion differently for women knowingly involved than men?
	Equality?
	Do I think that God sees abortion differently for women knowingly involved?
	Like for, what do you mean for men?
	Like if a woman gets an abortion, should that affect the father in the same way?
	I don't know if that's what.
	I think he might be asking, clarify if I'm wrong.
	Are you asking from the criminalization perspective?
	You said like criminalize the provider.
	Oh, or the abortionist?
	The provider, but women should not, it shouldn't be criminalized as a woman if you get an abortion.
	Is that the question?
	He says something about men.
	Like, I assume it's not.
	Is he talking about the father or the birth of the former?
	Do you think God sees abortion differently for women knowingly involved than men?
	Well, I think he meant that the men, men who are okay with abortion and are okay.
	He said female privilege.
	Women who knowingly commit abortion should be held accountable.
	I assume he means accountable criminally.
	Because your position was the provider should be held criminally liable, but not the woman seeking the abortion.
	Because the provider is the one lying to the women and telling them that it's just a clump of cells.
	They're the ones actually killing the children as well.
	Wait, question though.
	What if in the scenario they make no such representations?
	What do you mean?
	The woman just don't tell the woman anything.
	Well, I still know.
	The woman just wants, she's decided already.
	They still know what they're doing.
	They're the ones seeing the ultrasound.
	And in an abortion, the abortionist sees the ultrasound.
	That's how he's able to identify where the baby is so he can vacuum or dismember the baby.
	I'm just a guy.
	What do I know?
	Do you want to just clarify your question?
	I think I have it right.
	So he's asking you, do you think God sees abortion differently for women knowingly involved than men?
	The father of the child?
	No, I think he's talking from the criminal liability.
	Oh, do I think that the father of the child should be criminally liable?
	Okay, do you think, do you think like there it's a hmm?
	How do I frame this?
	Is it less, is there less culpability in the eyes of God for the provider versus a woman, the woman who's electing to get the abortion?
	Oh, do I think that God sees the sin of abortionist differently than the woman that's getting the abortion?
	Yes.
	I think.
	So I think that we're all equally sinful.
	I do think that God obviously is going to feel differently about a woman who's being lied to by an abortionist, but obviously it's a killing of an innocent child.
	God's going to be equally saddened and disheartened to see any innocent life ended no matter who's the one killing them.
	So I don't know if that answers the question.
	I think it does.
	Also, isn't abortion kind of enforced in our culture as something that's okay?
	And God would want you to, like a man to lead?
	I would say enforced is nobody's forcing, but it's presented.
	It's not enforced, but it's very much like pushed.
	Like obviously 90% of Planned Parenthoods are located within five miles of a college campus because we're women.
	I think most of us are in college, or at least some of us, and we're being told that we can't graduate, have a successful career, be equal to men if we don't have the right to kill our children.
	Have you heard the theory behind why abortion has been so readily available?
	Because of how much money is made from studying the fetuses and like the selling of the parts and things like that?
	Oh, like stem cells stuff.
	Yeah, more and more.
	Yeah, I mean, there are like selling to the rich people.
	We're selling baby boy people.
	There were hidden camera videos of these people that run the clinics talking about how much money they make for an aborted fetus.
	Why are you guys chuckling over that?
	That is crazy.
	She was just way too excited about it.
	Oh, because they're selling to the rich people.
	No, no, online conspiracy theory.
	That's just so insane.
	That's just so insane.
	It's real.
	A lot of.
	I mean, the idea that it's real is just insane.
	Yeah, I mean, I feel like people think it's just a clump of cells, but no, those babies have real body parts and organs and people are abusing them.
	There might be some.
	We'll never know.
	Did we finish reading this one?
	Right?
	Did we read this one?
	Maddie was reading it, but then the TTS came in.
	Nick, do you recall?
	Men should be completely exempt from child support alimony and should be allowed to completely opt out from any responsibility when impregnating a woman.
	I think I was just making a point and then the TTS, which is why neither should be legal.
	I don't think men should be completely exempt.
	Completely exempt.
	No one else is.
	I think I'll say, what?
	The Dave Chappelle joke, if you can, I think that's where I got interrupted, right?
	I get the idea, but like, again, what I said earlier.
	If you can murder it, I can abandon it.
	But you're going to raise a society of fatherless children.
	Do we want that?
	Wait, this almost kind of goes back to like, what's the greater harming?
	Oh my God, that's so sick of this.
	So like, what's the greater harm?
	Like, the dad being not present or responsible or the actual child being never having been born?
	I said we would agree that killing a child is the worst possible outcome of the world.
	You know what?
	Well, based on myself.
	Hold on.
	I think what we should do is actually double down on this.
	And I think that we should abort.
	You can't get an abortion.
	You can't get an abortion, but men can still do a paper abortion.
	That's crazy.
	That's equal.
	That's what it would be now.
	That's fair.
	What's the logic behind that?
	Because that's what's happening.
	It's not as bad.
	But I know.
	It's not as bad.
	But I think it's different because women have to carry the child.
	So they have to.
	It's like the violinist argument.
	Like, if you were stuck in a hospital for like nine months and someone was plugged into you, like stealing your nutrients, making you feel sick.
	You were throwing up every morning.
	You were losing your hair.
	You couldn't walk.
	Your body was changing.
	All of these things.
	I do have to move on.
	I'm sorry.
	I'm sorry.
	I brought up a good argument.
	I'm not sure.
	I'm not a bad.
	I brought up a good argument.
	I'm sorry.
	I was ready for that too.
	Clarification: when there are okay, fine.
	Here, last back and forth on this.
	Go ahead.
	Do you want to finish your well?
	Just the violinist argument.
	I would say that's an argument people make that why abortion is okay.
	Because if I was laying in a hospital bed and you were tied up to me, I, yeah, I'd kill you.
	What if it was her?
	What about her?
	Baby, you're dead.
	I'm glad you're going.
	You wouldn't do that for me, Julie.
	I thought we were homies.
	I'm so sorry.
	I thought we were homies.
	You're gone, Zoe.
	I got other things going on.
	I'm like a fan.
	So, wait, the violinist argument is, can you state it?
	Yeah, so you're, you, it's like, it's kind of like being pregnant where you're obviously when you're pregnant, you're not like stuck in a hospital bed, but it's the same kind of thing where you're plugged into someone and you have the choice to kill them orally or let them for nine months.
	Yeah, kill them early.
	Like, oh, I thought you said orally, I was like, sorry, I'm a Canadian.
	Sorry, I have a crazy accent.
	Sorry.
	That would be kind of a dope way.
	That would be kind of a dope way to die.
	Like, you're just getting some brain from a chick.
	It's so good.
	You just like, uh, I just, I just have an actual idea.
	Bro, by the way, you like fucked your chest up, dude.
	Oh, sorry.
	I've sensitive skin.
	God damn, you, like, scratching yourself up.
	I just have sensitive skin.
	That's all.
	Anyways.
	Wait, where's the violin in this whole thing?
	I don't know why the fuck is it?
	Oh, it's the greatest musician.
	I've never heard of it.
	It's the greatest musician.
	They're a violinist.
	Would you kill the greatest violinist on earth?
	That's kind of irrelevant.
	Yeah.
	Violinist part.
	But okay, yeah.
	Do you want me to?
	Yeah, yeah.
	Give your response and then we'll move on.
	Okay.
	You can go.
	You can go.
	Just go ahead.
	So I think there's a lot of different arguments I can use to debunk that one.
	I'll just get into a few because I know he's going to kill me if I keep talking about abortion.
	So number one, it's a parent-child relationship, which is different than being tied up to someone.
	Number two, an abortion isn't just unplugging yourself from someone.
	It's intentionally going and stabbing them and killing them.
	It's also very much more traumatic having an abortion than just unplugging.
	Right, exactly.
	Exactly.
	But also, I get, it's very similar, but the organ donation, you're not forced to donate an organ to someone.
	The uterus, I would argue, isn't even made for a woman.
	Like, the entire purpose of a uterus is to sustain another human's life.
	Like, there is no, like, I honestly could, I could live life much easier without my uterus, to be to be real.
	It costs me a lot of pain.
	The entire point of it is to help another child.
	And I would say that's much different than using your entire body to fill someone else.
	Yeah, it's just like the kind of the same effects is what the argument is.
	Like, it would get like it makes you feel sick, you're less bedridden, you can't work, blah, blah, blah.
	Things like that.
	Right.
	So I don't think a child depending on a mother to survive in a very natural way, like organ donation is unnatural.
	Our bodies are made.
	I'm not saying every woman has to reproduce, but our bodies are made to create children.
	And because of that, I think it's much different than being plugged up with someone.
	And we shouldn't be killing children just for being dependent on their mothers for survival.
	I think end-all-be-all, if you don't want someone to be physically relying on you like that and you're not quite ready, and especially with like once you have a child, you still have like 18 years after that where you have to take care of them.
	If you're not ready for that, I think it's totally fine if you want to have an abortion.
	I have no idea.
	Wait, you think you should be able to have an abortion for any reason?
	Not specifically for any reason, but like if you're not ready, I think that's okay.
	So if I'm not ready to take care of a two-year-old, can I kill them?
	I don't think a two-year-old is the same as a fetus.
	Why?
	A two-year-old is living and breathing, and they're like communicating with you.
	A fetus is again, they're like attached to me in a way that I might not be okay with, right?
	But like a newborn is dependent on their mother for survival.
	Like, if you just set a newborn by itself, it can't just like go get a job.
	But the thing with the newborn thing with a newborn is someone else can take care of that newborn.
	When that baby's in me, it's just me.
	So, so I'm a missionary kid, so I've spent a lot of time in third world countries where in these villages, there is no one who can adopt a child, there's no such thing as formula.
	Either the mother breastfeeds her child or the baby dies.
	Well, you can also get a like a milkmaid, someone who would breastfeed.
	In a third world country, that is not a that is not an option.
	And I'm talking about that.
	That's crazy.
	You just said that.
	That is insane.
	But where can we get breast milk?
	Sign me up.
	Hold on.
	Let me let me listen.
	I'm gonna do this conversation a favor here and uh move on here.
	Well, yes, we can talk about them being late for two hours, but we can't talk about the leading cause of death.
	Yeah, pretty much.
	Yeah, so here's the solution, right?
	As the fucking based moderate on this panel, this is what you guys got to do: put your fucking swords away, join together, coalition artificial womb, just fucking do it.
	It solves the problem.
	They are working on that.
	Artificial womb.
	Now, there's going to be some like other issues that are going to come because of it.
	But strictly, if we're looking at the abortion issue in a vacuum, the woman can still not proceed with the pregnancy.
	You insert the fetus into the artificial womb.
	The child can still live.
	You save the life.
	I know there's a lot.
	I know this is an overly simplistic thing, but why don't y'all throw all your money, bro?
	Pro-choice, pro-life, come together, son.
	Start invest in some science shit.
	Artificial womb.
	I have some issues with.
	I mean, it depends on how good.
	I think of also the artificial womb.
	Like, I might have an issue as well.
	The baby when it's growing inside, you kind of have that connection with it.
	Bro, it's a middle ground.
	This is compromised.
	It's an alternative.
	You get we don't compromise on killing babies.
	But it wouldn't be killed.
	It would survive.
	It would survive.
	No, no, no, but it's not going inside the mother.
	It doesn't have the technology.
	You get what you're doing.
	You're like per life right now.
	Huh?
	Well, I'll argue any side, just for fun.
	Yeah.
	All right.
	Hold on, no, no, hold on, hold on.
	Here, Maddie, read this.
	Clarification: when there are women who know what they're doing, taking abortion pills before the Supreme Court and boasting over their abortion, they should be held accountable.
	Women are not stupid.
	I think it still is like a cultural thing.
	Like, I think that even if they like know it's killing a baby, they like it's still ingrained in them that it's their right.
	Women are like so brainwashed.
	Like I said earlier, this woman I had met, she like acknowledged that it was her three-year-old child, but she thought it was okay to kill them.
	And that's not a unique situation.
	That's pretty common now where this idea of my child, my choice, is not even my body anymore because it's hard to argue that a preborn child is killed.
	Thinking it's okay.
	Nope, nope.
	Maddie, go ahead.
	As long as abortion is legal, and we read this.
	We read this.
	Oh, we did?
	Okay, this one, my bad.
	Catholics need to chill over abortion.
	You guys are the ones that believe in a soul.
	Even people that have near-death experiences are told they can optimally reincarnate.
	Responding to reincarnation.
	Say that one more time, Maddie.
	Sorry, sorry.
	I like reincarnate.
	Responding in five seconds.
	Easy, bro.
	I am not a Catholic, so I do not believe in reincarnation.
	River Reeves, thank you for the Australian 160, man.
	Thank you.
	Appreciate it, dude.
	I don't know what's going on with the reincarnation down in Australia, but son, cool, cool.
	Okay.
	Maybe we can come back to that conversation later.
	But we were going around the table.
	What does everyone rate themselves on a scale of one to 10?
	Did you rate yourself?
	No.
	I'll have you rate, then I'll rate, then I'll address her.
	Everybody's at 10.
	I'm a certified bad bitch.
	Let's go.
	Let's go.
	No, I would say the question was looks alone, right?
	Just looks.
	Yeah, here let's see.
	Seven?
	Okay.
	I give myself a five.
	Really?
	Yeah, man.
	Yeah.
	I'd put you higher than a five.
	Thank you.
	This is weed.
	I got to lose a bit of weight.
	Thank you.
	It's all right.
	It's okay.
	I got to lose a bit of weight.
	I got a dad bond right now.
	In your prime form would you be?
	My prime?
	Yeah.
	What's your genetic ceiling?
	Shit.
	It's crazy close.
	I was like, that's a good question.
	Seven, seven point five?
	No, really?
	You think?
	If I was like, if you were like in your best shape and you had your best character, if you were mewing.
	Maybe an eight if I'm ripped.
	Maybe.
	Isn't it crazy, though, that that's all within your control?
	I fucked up.
	I fucked up.
	Yeah.
	Kind of nuts.
	And it is, it is.
	We've got control.
	Wait, so okay, going back to you, you said that everybody's a 10.
	In God's eyes.
	Maybe not in humankind's eyes, but I personally find that irrelevant.
	When it comes to your, I mean, I know you're currently engaged to somebody, right?
	But you didn't, when you were, you know, considering him as a potential partner.
	Oh, yeah.
	His physical appearance or physical attractiveness played absolutely no bearing.
	No, it definitely did, but that's, again, that's not in God's eyes.
	That's in my eyes.
	Like, yeah, I think he's a haughty, and that's my personal opinion, but it's not.
	Oh, so, okay, but I'm asking you.
	So you're saying in God's eyes, everybody's a 10.
	Like, I don't think there's not like an objective, like, human standard.
	Like, from a human's perspective, someone could give me a two, and someone could say that I'm a 10 from a human eyes, which is why I feel like that's a good idea.
	Okay, what's the subjective question about your taste about yourself?
	Right.
	And I don't really think about that, to be honest.
	Until right now.
	Until right now.
	Not everyone's beautiful.
	I don't know.
	I think everyone's beautiful.
	Who do you think is more physically attractive?
	Well, hold on.
	Let me ask you a question.
	Do you think Timothy Chalamet is attractive?
	He's like the really skinny guy, right?
	Yeah.
	Oh, yeah.
	He's facially attractive.
	Facially attractive.
	I mean, he's not.
	I mean, in the eyes of God, he's a 10.
	But in my eyes, I don't know.
	He's a brave and a decent man.
	He's a pioneer.
	Also, like, I'm the sort of person that, like, I don't, like, when I'm like, when I dated guys before I was with my fiancé, like, I didn't really become attracted to them until I actually met them.
	And I feel like that's similar for a lot of girls.
	So I feel like personality has a huge role in it for me.
	But in general, I think he's like a mediocre person.
	Wait, let me ask you a question.
	Who's more physically attractive?
	Joe Biden or your boyfriend?
	My boyfriend.
	Well, hold on.
	That's in my eyes, though, not in God's eyes.
	That's just your subjective.
	Yes, it is.
	It is subjective.
	Wow.
	you don't think there's biden is also a 10.
	you don't think there's like I said in her eyes, Joe Biden is also like a 10.
	In God's eyes, yes.
	And not in my eyes.
	In her eyes.
	Not in these eyes.
	But I did try to see the world in your entire life, though.
	Are atheists also 10s?
	Physically, yeah, absolutely.
	Okay, we're all made in God's image.
	That was a fail.
	Okay, I'm not going to linger on the one to ten thing.
	Wait, okay, last one.
	Joe Biden or like young Brad Pitt, who's more physically attractive?
	In my eyes, Brad Pitt.
	In God's eyes, they're equal.
	Okay, I'm not going to lie.
	Brian's just like freaking out because he's realizing that he's actually a 10 and he's really happy.
	That's what's going on.
	No, I'm a five.
	In your eyes, not God's.
	Sure, sure.
	Okay.
	God finds you a 10.
	Does that make you feel good?
	Feel like God now?
	Yeah.
	My life is totally changed.
	You should follow God.
	All of a sudden, all the women want to date me now.
	God doesn't even her.
	She, even she wants to date, still not even God's, will you know.
	Can't change that.
	Um, all right uh wait oh, we have.
	Oh, my god Stiffler, ask the lady wait, hold on before before we go there.
	Do you?
	Do you object to men caring about a woman's body count?
	Do I object to it?
	Do you object?
	No, I don't know why.
	Why would I object to that?
	Do you object?
	I don't care, but it is their opinion.
	So okay, what about you if they're okay with me objecting to their body count?
	It's a preference, it's okay.
	I also believe it's preference.
	But also, you can have like lower, like lower number in partners, but be together longer and like I don't know.
	There's just like context, and I would want to know their dating ministry and I would think that they want to know my dating history as well.
	Okay, all right.
	Well, what about you?
	What do you think?
	So I don't think there's anything wrong with it.
	I think it's a personal preference, but I also think that it doesn't it shouldn't be encouraged to be something that excludes partners.
	I think you should be open to getting to know people closer.
	Yeah, I think you should be open to getting to know people.
	I don't, we'll come.
	We'll come back to that um, you don't object.
	What about you?
	Um I, it is kind of a preference.
	But here's my thing.
	Like when, obviously I am in a different realm because I have only date.
	Well I, my fiancé now is Christian, and so when Christians date um there, obviously we are going to recognize past sins, but that shouldn't be a judgment thing.
	Like if i'm dating a guy um, who calls himself a Christian, he's judging me because I potentially slept with a bunch of um guys and I left that in the past and and turned myself to to Christ.
	I think that there's an issue with someone who is judging someone's past and not willing to um see themselves as equally sinful.
	I think that there's a lot of hypocrisy because, while they might not be struggling with the same sin, we all struggle with uh, doing crappy stuff in our life, and so I think it can be really judgmental.
	But I again, I definitely think that, like if you, if a guy, starts dating a girl who just slept with ten guys the night before, then yeah that's, it's a valid reason to not want, to not want to date her.
	Well, look okay from a religious perspective.
	Women who've done porn, women who've done sex work, women who do only fans, women who were just not sex workers but they were just rampantly promiscuous uh, they can be saved by Christ, but men do not need to then disregard their baggage and marry them.
	They don't need to disregard it, but I think it's a clear indicator of hypocrisy if a guy i'm so glad him not dating donated 100, he's a ten tenths morally straight, a Greek god hung like a moose.
	However, you find out he's opposed to illegal immigrants freely passing the border with little to no screening your thoughts.
	Okay well, we'll engage.
	We'll come back to the that.
	Um oh, i'm answering 1010, morally straight, Greek god, super attractive.
	Hung like a moose.
	But he's just as against illegal immigration.
	From just like anywhere.
	Well, that doesn't align with my morals, so I wouldn't say he's morally straight in my eyes.
	Wait, so you think it's morally like that it's morally wrong to not want rampant illegal immigration?
	Oh, did he say rampant illegal immigrants?
	I'm like, okay, you find out he's opposed to illegal immigrants freely passing the border with little to no screening.
	Okay, yeah, then.
	I think that's an unethical or immoral position to have.
	No, no, that's fine.
	Yeah.
	But you said that's not a morally straight position.
	Because like people have like a bad perception of illegal immigrants, but a lot of times it's like that they come over at a very young age.
	It's not like it's their choice a lot of times.
	Have you seen videos of the illegal things?
	Well, there's, I mean, there's just extents to it, so it's.
	What do you mean?
	What's the extent?
	Well, there's different sides.
	They are very young people.
	There's no border.
	Well, I'm very much for like just globalization in general.
	Like, I think.
	That's.
	I think that's just the future.
	So that is not my opinion.
	So let's say white people, you know, just wanted to move to Vietnam.
	Or, let me think.
	Would you call that colonization?
	No.
	That's globalism to you?
	I just don't think we should necessarily have borders or anything.
	So you think there's no borders?
	There's no government, one government over the whole world.
	No, there's a lot of complication when it comes to something like that.
	You live.
	How close do you live to the beach?
	Very close.
	Okay.
	So don't you think most people would like to live close to the beach?
	Sure.
	Okay.
	So what do you think about the rent prices and kind of ridiculously high?
	Yeah.
	So let's say how many people in the world do you think would like to move to the United States?
	I don't know.
	I wouldn't know.
	A billion, maybe?
	Sure.
	You think a billion?
	So what's the current population of the U.S.?
	300 million.
	350?
	Something like that.
	400?
	350?
	Not 400.
	Well.
	Okay.
	Do you think we have the capability of just let's say we could just dump the billion people that would like to live in the U.S. Let's say we just dump them all tomorrow?
	Do you think that'd be good for the United States?
	Of course not, but that wasn't the question.
	Kind of was.
	No, it was just like that's against illegal immigrants in general.
	And like I'm not against illegal immigrants.
	I say illegal immigrants not being against those people, but the act of illegally immigrating.
	Against the act of it?
	I just don't.
	Illegally immigrating.
	I guess if they're aware of it, yeah, maybe.
	So you still turn then.
	Killer of cereal donated $100.
	Choose between data nine with extremely low self-esteem and a negative world outlook or two that who's his confidence and swagger and keeps a positive outlook.
	And why?
	Looks or personality important?
	Panel.
	Hold on.
	So we'll just go around the table on the 1010, morally straight, Greek god, hung like a moose.
	But he's opposed to illegal immigrants freely passing the border with little to no screening.
	That's a fine opposition for me, Animal.
	You're fine with that?
	1010 that's hung like a moose is extremely intimidating.
	I'm going to pass.
	I'm definitely going to pass.
	Wait, intimidated?
	I would be intimidating if he's like so handsome.
	No, no, thank you.
	Oh, I see.
	Okay.
	She wants an ugly guy.
	That's fine.
	I agree with your point.
	Holy fuck, bro, this girl.
	I agree with the point, but it's fine.
	I'm for it.
	If he's a Christian, then sure.
	I know you hate me so much.
	Wait, if he's a Christian?
	Yeah, it's fine.
	I mean, I mean, obviously, I'm already taking it.
	And then, killer of cereal, choose between a data nine with extremely low self-esteem and a negative world outlook, or two, that oozes confidence and swagger and keeps positive outlook and why.
	Looks a personality important.
	So, nine, low self-esteem, or two, oozes confidence and swagger.
	The second one.
	The two?
	I picked the two.
	Two.
	I think the personality, because you could literally be a five, but your personality and the way you're vibing could make you a ten, if that makes sense.
	Two.
	Two.
	Personality, yeah.
	I take the nine.
	I can fix her.
	I'll take the nine.
	I can fix her.
	There's only room for one mentally ill person in this relationship.
	Excuse me.
	What if her low self-esteem causes her to like cheat, though?
	To this.
	Easy.
	You would rather be cheated on and take the nine than like.
	No, she back to the streets.
	She goes.
	Out here.
	Out you go.
	Wait, okay.
	We were talking about body count.
	Were we?
	I think we just haven't gotten quite a multi-class.
	I wanted to credit John Doyle.
	I saw him tweet that on Twitter today, and I thought the point I made about, hold on, let me see if I can find the tweet.
	Oh, he said, you know, former OF girls, and I kind of expanded it to girls who are promiscuous or S workers.
	They can be saved by Christ, but men do not need to then disregard their baggage and marry them.
	So shout out to John Doyle on Twitter for that one.
	Do you want me to respond with that?
	You said, and I think the point you're making is hypocritical.
	If the guy had, like, I think it could be a factor.
	Like, if a guy meets a girl who says she's a Christian, but she, like, just became a Christian and just like slept all those guys, I don't think you should be dating.
	should be focusing on your relationship with christ first of all but let's say it's for how long It depends on, I mean, it depends on the circumstances, I think, and like how consistent you are.
	Yeah, and how her relationship with God is going.
	And also where you feel called.
	So is there anything that a man could do that in his past that you would not look past if he was a reformed whatever and now he's a Christian?
	I think it, so like if my fiancé, I found out he was like a pedophile in the past, I would maybe reconsider just because in the future I do want children.
	Sorry, I don't know if I can say that on here.
	You can't.
	Just P-word.
	But in the future, because I want kids, I could be concerned that that could be a recurrent issue.
	But again, it would have to depend on the situation.
	And I think that it all comes down to if I'm not willing to date someone because of their past sins, then I need to look at myself first because as much as people have done some crappy things, I think that we're all equally awful people and we do awful things.
	Equally awful.
	Equally awful.
	So hold on.
	Hold on.
	Mr. Rogers.
	Mrs. Rogers.
	Joseph Stalin.
	Mr. Rogers.
	No, I think that they should be punished differently.
	Joseph Stalin.
	But we're equally evil?
	Yeah, we're all equally sinners.
	Now, I think they should be punished differently, of course.
	I mean, there are different levels of sin in the Bible.
	Right, of course.
	But again, if you are a person who is sinful, then every single person, regardless of what you've done, deserves to go to hell equally.
	And that's not like a, some people get this level of hell, some people get this level of hell.
	We all are equally sinful and all equally in need of a savior.
	I got another one.
	Madison Vu, Adolf Hitler.
	Should be punished differently.
	No, no, no, no.
	Are they equally evil?
	Is that the word you used?
	I think that it's evil in different ways.
	I think that's there's a lot.
	No, no, no, no.
	Who's more evil?
	Madison Vu?
	Am I saying your last name right?
	Or Adolf Hitler?
	In whose eyes?
	In God.
	Just objectively.
	Well, it depends on who you're talking about.
	Because objectively, I would say in God's eyes, like, while he obviously loves us all and wants us to see him, we all are equally deserving of death.
	However, equally deserving of death?
	Like, I mean eternal death, not physical death.
	Yeah, but he categorizes some sins differently.
	Yeah, I mean, there's different like sorry on a spectrum, though.
	There's different like worldly punishments for each thing.
	Like if I go and kill somebody.
	Yeah, because they're also because they're affecting people differently.
	Like if I go and have lustful thoughts, that's different than me going and killing somebody.
	Can you answer the question, though?
	Adolf Hitler or Madison, who's sitting right there, who's more evil?
	It's just, it's very, more is very subjective.
	Like, I just to be clear, I do think that he should be totally punished and to the fullest extent of the law.
	Okay, let's talk about what's objective, right?
	I do think that hold on.
	Let's say that because of Hitler, there were 30 people.
	What he did was worse to other people, but he himself is still equally deserving of death, just like anyone else.
	Like, what he did to other people is worse.
	He's more deserving of death then.
	But like, I'm talking about eternal death.
	Like, we're all, like, we're all deserving.
	Did anyone here say that they are perfect?
	What?
	No.
	I don't even understand.
	You said that everyone was a 10 out of 10.
	Okay.
	Looks like a title.
	Okay, look.
	Hold on.
	Yo, yo, yo.
	Hold on.
	Okay.
	Let me help out.
	Maybe it's very subjective.
	I'm going to give you comparing three people to one person.
	Madison View, Vu, versus Mao, Hitler, and Stalin.
	Madison?
	Those three people did worse things, but they are still equally evil.
	In totality, that's not the question I'm asking.
	I'm asking you, who's more evil?
	It depends.
	Like, are you talking about evil as in what they did?
	Because obviously what those evil dictators did.
	Hilarious.
	Stop it.
	Get some help.
	Us as people, we're all equally sinful and just messed up and in need of assistance.
	Wait, so no, no, no.
	The question is, who's more evil?
	Do you think they did worse things?
	Is this actually an ecclesiastical biblical thing?
	Yeah, all equally evil.
	Is that really evil?
	I think you're saying everyone has the same capacity to be evil.
	Right.
	And also, like, we're all born with the equally sinful nature.
	That doesn't mean we're all going to commit the same sins.
	Like, there are definitely sins that are worse.
	So a person that commits those worse sins would be more evil, right?
	In the sense of, yes, they've committed worse things, but they're still in the eyes of eternity.
	Anyone who has committed any sin is therefore imperfect.
	That's like, I got to let it out, bro.
	It's arcelured, bro.
	That's arslerd.
	I can't say it because we're on Twitch.
	I can't say it because we're on Twitch, but that's kind of our best.
	I think I was pretty clear that I think what they're doing is worse.
	What they're doing is worse.
	Here's the question.
	Here's the question.
	Who is more evil?
	Mao in the eyes of the law.
	I'm not even.
	I'm granting you fine.
	Madison is just as evil as Hitler.
	But if you combine Mao, Hitler, and Stalin.
	I didn't know we were talking about you this time.
	Okay, who's more evil?
	Madison or Hitler?
	And Mao and Stalin?
	And what they're doing than all the dictators.
	No, no, no.
	Just answer the question.
	Okay.
	Who's more evil?
	It depends on how you're defining evil.
	How do you define evil?
	Okay, there's different ways.
	Like in the eyes of the law, yeah, those people are way worse people.
	Love you, by the way.
	Not trying to talk about it.
	You are not.
	You are not doing evil.
	You are Stalin.
	You are not doing Stalin.
	What did I do to be as Grambio?
	You got to put worse than Hitler, Mao, and Scott.
	Oh, my God.
	Sorry, just as bad.
	Just as bad.
	What they're doing is worse.
	And I think that they are committing sins that are affecting people to a worse extent.
	But when I'm talking about being equally evil, I'm saying that we're all going to the same destination of eternal death if we don't.
	You're not answering the actual question, though.
	I did.
	I feel like I'm not.
	Oh, you're not.
	You're talking about something that's totally unrelated.
	Well, I think it's a...
	Should I Google it?
	Let's Google it.
	Everyone is evil.
	Evil definition.
	Hold on.
	Evil definite.
	Let's see if we profoundly immoral and wicked.
	Profound immorality and wickedness, especially when regarded as a supernatural force.
	Okay, that's another thing.
	I think that's a good thing.
	All right, this is going to be a hot topic.
	I think that if we are not following God, everything we do is for sinful intentions.
	Like, if you're not doing everything to glorify God, then you're doing everything to glorify yourself.
	Actually, okay.
	I can, but I don't agree with her.
	That's okay.
	Do you agree that you're Hitler?
	I'm not Hitler in all of that.
	I did not say that.
	I'm just, I don't understand your logic here.
	Like, this seems like a layup.
	If you're not following God, then anything you're doing is seeking to glorify yourself, which is a rich non-sequitur.
	What?
	Your argument is a non-sequitur.
	It does not follow.
	It does follow.
	It doesn't.
	Who farted, by the way?
	Who fucking farted?
	Somebody farted.
	You smell a fart over there?
	Yeah, I smell a fart.
	What the fuck, Molly?
	Jollio!
	What?
	Bro, Lil Moles, why are you fucking farting up in here, bro?
	That's crazy.
	That's crazy, dude.
	Do you smell that shit?
	I don't smell anything.
	It's nothing.
	Maddie, can you fix that?
	I do not smell anything.
	Port girl.
	Keep it on me while it's getting fixed.
	Stop harassing her.
	Oh my gosh.
	Oh, my God, dude, dude, dude.
	Yo, okay, is Andrew, where's Andrew Wilson, bro?
	Andrew, is Andrew in the chat?
	Who is more evil?
	Madison or Hitler?
	Hitler's doings are more evil because they're hurting people.
	No, but who is more evil?
	As a person.
	I think that's hard because everything you're doing, if it's not to glorify God, is to do something selfish for yourself, which is equally evil.
	Your actions are obviously going to be more evil based on the people they affect.
	But if we're talking about them and their conscience, while your intentions might seem different, they're still ultimately, no matter what you're doing, they're seeking to serve yourself, which I do.
	You know what?
	I'm just going to.
	I think you're just as evil as Hitler, Stalin, and Mao, and Epstein combined.
	I would agree.
	What kind of islands are you fucking?
	What the fuck?
	Without Jesus in my life, I do believe I am equally as fallen and in need of a savior.
	Like, obviously, I'm not going and killing people.
	I've never killed someone.
	Wait, so if Hitler, right before he died, decided to take Christ into his heart, does he go to heaven?
	Yeah.
	Jeffrey Dahmer did.
	Fun fact.
	He might have.
	We can't know for sure if he actually did or not.
	All right.
	Okay, moving on.
	Let's not linger here for too long.
	Maddie, could I have you read this one?
	Both men and women can prioritize what's important to them in relationships.
	For me, intimacy is reserved for those I deeply love and trust.
	I expect the same from my partner.
	Yeah, thank you, man.
	What currency is that?
	83INR Indian Rupee?
	Is that an Indian?
	Indonesian.
	Oh, Indonesian.
	Oh, $1.
	Okay, great.
	Good times.
	They're getting a good deal there.
	I'm getting ripped off.
	Holy shit.
	Maddie, can you read this one?
	The only time I questioned that we are made in the image and likeness of God was when I saw Gorlock here for the first time.
	That almost made me an atheist.
	Damn, that's tough.
	That's pretty much it.
	That's tough.
	All right.
	Thank you, Raphael.
	Thank you for these memberships.
	Zesty Ash there.
	Okay.
	Wait, we were talking about body count.
	Okay.
	You were saying it's hypocritical for a guy who has a high body count to judge a woman with a high body count or refuse to date a woman.
	It's not even if he has like a high body count.
	Like I think if a Christian guy is dating a Christian girl who has left her old life behind and he is judging her based on her past, he needs to take a look and examine his own life.
	So our can go to heaven if he takes Christ right the minute before he dies, but if you just slept with like 30 dudes and then you're like, I'm a reformed hoe and I'm a Christian now, date me.
	That's not good.
	Wait, asking me.
	Like how is the woman representing herself?
	Right, because you said before that the guy should give her some time to fall into her like new Christian shoes.
	I'm not saying it's like essential, but I think it should be a general recommendation.
	So are you saying that Christian men are beholden to date and marry previous promiscuous women?
	Am I saying they have to be born again virgins?
	Well, that's what you're kind of suggesting.
	Like everyone should be able to date based on their personal preference.
	But I do think that it says a lot about a guy if he is judging a woman on her past.
	What if there were studies to suggest that while being promiscuous and having a lot of past sexual partners for both genders has negative impact on future relationships, if it was the case that this impact was more pronounced in women, wouldn't it be fair to say that men have a bigger, have more of a leeway to make a discussion?
	Saying idea of faith alone is heresy.
	It is against biblical scripture.
	Hitler is in hell because of his works in life.
	Faith without works is dead.
	James 2.26.
	I agree with you.
	Return to the Catholic Church.
	Okay, so first of all, I'm not Catholic, but also, so I think are they trying to say that after Hitler accepts Christ that he's still evil?
	Because in that case, then if he's just accepting Christ, like, oh, I'm going to follow Jesus, so I'm going to go to heaven, then he's not really following Jesus.
	If you're following someone just to use them, then you're not really following them.
	So I think that obviously that is not going to heaven.
	That's not really what following Jesus is.
	But I think that your past, Jesus erases your past when you accept him as your savior.
	And so it doesn't matter what you've done in your past.
	That's why I'm kind of asking how is the woman representing herself?
	Because I feel like a lot of born-again virgins can be like just like no accountability for what they've done in the world.
	No, no, I think they should be held accountable.
	Like I think that women should be open and honest with that.
	And like again, like I do think like I'm not saying it is an abomination for a guy to reject a girl because she slept with a bunch of guys, but I do think that it is something to consider.
	Like if you're a guy who's judging a woman on her past and that's the reason why you're not dating her, then maybe take a look into your own past.
	Because, for instance, the Bible says that even if you look at a woman lustfully, you have sinned and committed adultery.
	And so that's a question for you.
	Question for you on that.
	So let's say a man gazed upon a woman lustfully.
	Does that mean he is now beholden?
	A Christian man is beholden to date or marry a woman who previously had who's previously a prostitute and previously had betted a hundred men?
	I don't think I've ever said that.
	Is that as worse?
	Is that as bad?
	Which one's worse?
	Wait, I'm confused.
	I've never said that you have to date someone that's slept with a bunch of people in the past.
	You seem to really want to pressure men, especially Christian men, into just accepting past promiscuity.
	I don't think you should obviously not accept it like, oh, I'm totally fine with it.
	Like, that should be like a conversation you have where, hey, I did this in my past, and I'm really sorry for it.
	I've left that life behind, and I've been following Christ for some time now.
	Cool, you still don't have to date them.
	No, you don't have to date them, but I think that if you're going to look at that woman and judge her for her past, that is very hypocritical because everyone's struggles was sent before, especially before they came to Christ.
	Cool, but you don't, that doesn't.
	I never said that he should be required to stay with her.
	No, you don't, you shouldn't be required to stay with her, but I think that it could be a sin in itself to judge her on her past.
	It depends on the nature.
	If you're leaving her because you're concerned that she's going to continue this or just because you're worried of the impact it'll have on your marriage, then you can.
	Do you have a guy who's shorter than you?
	I mean, I guess.
	I don't know.
	You didn't seem very enthusiastic about that.
	He's six foot in the eyes of Christ.
	He's 10 out of 10 right there.
	Yeah, that's good.
	Okay, well, the body count thing.
	We had Stiffler here.
	We're going to have Madison start on this.
	Stiffmeister, ask the ladies their body count, starting with Madison.
	Eight.
	And then we're going to go to you and go around.
	Go ahead.
	Seven, six, seven, eight.
	I feel like a woman shouldn't reveal their body count to the world.
	I feel like it is something for your partner to know.
	And I feel like if it's somebody that's going to be your partner, it's somebody that you've talked to about your life experiences.
	Maddie, keep an eye on that.
	Talk to about your life experiences and like what you've been through and how many partners you have, like who you've dated.
	that's fine and that communicated it's communicated and it's what was your position on the body count that it doesn't matter or it does I don't think it matters.
	Oh, so then why the hesitance to share it if it doesn't matter?
	Well, I mean, I don't think it matters for the person, like, you're dating, right?
	Do you want to give us a range if you don't want to give us an exact number, range?
	Sure.
	It's under, it's between 10 and 20.
	Hmm.
	Zero?
	All right.
	What about Matt?
	What about you?
	Oh, it's only for the ladies.
	Oh.
	Oh, I guess we don't have to.
	What?
	Guess we don't have to answer.
	But I will say.
	Multiply it by three, and that's the real number.
	You said eight?
	Yeah.
	Yes.
	Yo, chat.
	Is that what you said on the last episode you were on?
	I mean, I'm pretty sure, yeah.
	Anybody, any guys?
	She's been on an episode before?
	Can somebody do a little investigating into the previous episode?
	Search the body count question.
	Chat.
	Those of you maybe on my Instagram chat, you can let me know if.
	I'm pretty sure it was the same because I have.
	Pretty sure.
	Pretty sure.
	Yeah.
	Well, for me, I don't know.
	Wait, what's her name?
	Hold on.
	Where's the homegirl?
	Jocelyn?
	What's her name, Jocelyn?
	Do you know her, Maddie?
	Wait, what's her name?
	Fuck.
	Where's Jocelyn?
	Josie.
	Oh, Josie Ann.
	Josie, she's always, Josie, if you're in the chat, bro.
	Josie, just tell me the deets.
	Do a little investigating.
	Okay, let's finally get into, here, I'm going to read this chat.
	Matt or Maddie.
	Sometimes I see some crazy things that only come from you, my fellow Americans.
	Trend on TikTok with people justifying Osama bin, how do you pronounce his last name?
	Lauden.
	Lauden.
	A girl saying that it is God's desire for her to do OF and Elizabeth Warren saying that she was a Native American.
	Word?
	Rafael.
	Word?
	Oh, here we are.
	Jingleheimer donated $100.
	Wrong.
	Do your research.
	Faith is first, then works.
	Also, looking at a woman with lust being adultery is when a man desires to take a married woman or the man is married and desires another woman.
	Thank you, Jingleheimer.
	The faith is first, then works, is what I was trying to actually say.
	Is that like you can't do anything good without God?
	And then once you're following God, then you can do good works.
	It doesn't mean that you're you can never do enough to like make yourself worthy of going to heaven without God saving you.
	So sure.
	Wait, so like if Hitler had like one year before he died and this one year he was a devout Christian and like was doing everything everything to like what you would want to do.
	Does that mean he's going to go to heaven?
	Yeah, if he if he accepts Christ then all of his sin has been washed clean.
	He now has hope in Jesus and he's able to go to heaven.
	And I think it's very evident throughout the Bible that no matter what we do, good or bad, we're all equally evil and deserving of all the Bible says all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.
	It doesn't say some people more.
	But there are some sins that are worse.
	That are punished.
	Yeah, the Bible is very clear.
	And I've said that, that some sins are more severely.
	Can I ask you a question?
	What's worse?
	Jaywalking or genocide?
	Genocide.
	And I've said that very clearly.
	That sin is more evil, but it doesn't mean that you're a better person because you're the jaywalker and the other person is the person.
	Because it does.
	Jaywalker is a person.
	We're all equally worthy of its destruction.
	Who's like, is this the actual ecclesiastical, biblical, theological position on this?
	I would pull up some scripture, but you see what I'm saying?
	I've heard people argue this before because I've asked the same point about Jeffrey Dahmer.
	He accepts Christ at the end of his life.
	And it shouldn't be something that's like deterring you.
	It shouldn't be something where like, oh my gosh, Christians are terrible.
	We think they're all evil.
	No, this should be a thing of hope that if God can save someone as evil as Hitler, then anyone can be saved.
	And so it's not meant to be something like, oh, Christians are so crazy.
	It's supposed to be.
	To be honest, it seems a little like, I don't know, it's not really that cool that Hitler could do all that stuff and then we could just both say the same prayer and then all of a sudden we're equals.
	Well, it's not just about saying a prayer.
	Like if someone who just wants to get to heaven says a prayer just to get to heaven, that is literally the definition of like being saved.
	If their intention is just John 3.16, it's like it's in the Bible.
	For whoever believes in him shall not perish.
	But if you're not actually believing God and you're just saying, okay, I'm going to be.
	No, I'm not saying that they don't believe.
	They do believe in what they're saying.
	They say the same 10 words.
	on, but couldn't, okay, let's remove religion from this.
	Let's look at evil as a sit, like from a secular perspective.
	Right?
	So.
	And we're like a legalistic more so?
	Kind of?
	Sure, I guess.
	From a legalist perspective, then yeah, obviously, Hitler is 1,000% worse more evil.
	Conversations are ridiculous.
	Okay, going to Julie here.
	I'm getting this in my pre-show notes.
	You said you've never been on a date outside of a relationship.
	I never had dating apps or anything.
	You've never had a dating app?
	No, sorry.
	I had Tinder like way before.
	I mean, Twitch is apparently your dating app.
	I had Tinder before my relationship that was five years, but I never met up with anyone.
	Never?
	No, I'm not.
	Not even like a casual.
	No, I have pretty bad anxiety, so there's no way I'm leaving my house.
	Okay.
	But okay, you're 25, right?
	And you've never been on a first date.
	Okay.
	I never really went on like a traditional first date either actually.
	Okay.
	I don't even really know how that would work out.
	You'd be late.
	I would not.
	We were early.
	Yeah.
	All right.
	Here we have Kylie here, right?
	Kylie?
	Yeah.
	Kylie?
	Okay.
	We're getting into your shit now.
	Here we go.
	You said you had an ex-boyfriend, high school sweetheart who got raided.
	What's the story there?
	Oh, so we were friends in high school and then we went to college together and he ended up getting like robbed in our neighborhood by some kids and then don't, the kids ended up shooting him with a gun and he got shot.
	And the police came back to his house and they I guess they smelled a weed plant because he was taking care of a weed plant for his friend.
	Right, we're in college, we're doing stupid things, and so the US Marshals came and raided the house and it was probably one of the most terrifying experiences of my life and we were all.
	We all went out the night before.
	So it was like me and a bunch of my girlfriends all hung over in the morning sleeping on a floor.
	What?
	When did you meet him?
	How old were you when you met this guy?
	I was 14.
	How old?
	Same age?
	Yeah, two years older than me.
	Okay, you said that you dated him on again, off again, for 15 years.
	Is that correct?
	Yeah, so we dated like consistently for about five, six years and then we went our separate ways.
	He actually got engaged and had a child and I got into another relationship and then he things didn't work out with the mother of his child and things didn't work out after COVID with my relationship, so we decided to try it one more time, since we were both at such different places in our lives and it didn't work.
	We did remain friends.
	We would get lunch, he would come to my yoga classes.
	Just, takey what doino donated?
	100 question for the girls, is motherhood something you want as a part of your life?
	Who, in your mind, is a good example of the type of mother you want to be?
	Okay well, we'll come back to your story.
	We'll go around really quick on this.
	Um, we can only do one question per super.
	Uh wait, so is motherhood something you want as part of?
	In your mind?
	Is a good example of the type of mother?
	Okay just, we can do both.
	Well, mine's pretty well.
	Yeah yes, and my own mother is not sure and no idea.
	Yes, and my mom?
	Yes, and my mom as well yes, my mother and my grandmother put together.
	I was gonna say like yes, and my mom too.
	What's that thing from Full Metal Alchemist, where it becomes like a, a homunculus?
	No no no it's, it's the chimera.
	Is that the term chimera?
	So you want, like a chimera between your mom, all the best qualities from each of them.
	Okay, all right uh Sorry, what was the question?
	I don't even remember.
	I think it was.
	Oh, yeah, yes.
	Okay, I do want to be a mom, and my mom is also the person I would say.
	Okay.
	So, Kylie, going back to your story, you he was married and had a kid?
	He was engaged and had a kid.
	Just one kid?
	Just one kid.
	Now, was there like, was it a clean break and then you guys started dating, or were you, or was him, or were both of you, like still romantically involved?
	Clear break, they had co-parenting for probably like five years.
	Okay, and you so in it was over a period of 15 years, though, that you were dating this guy, correct?
	Yes.
	And so, but you said it was on again, off again.
	I'm pretty sure.
	How many times was it on and off?
	So, I'm pretty sure he was bipolar.
	When things were good, they were really good.
	When things were bad, they were really bad.
	He was very manic.
	And he also tended to make a lot of bad decisions for himself.
	Yeah, you said during college, he was shot, arrested, tried to self-delete himself.
	Yeah.
	You said it was a very chaotic relationship.
	Yeah.
	And then he sadly passed away last year of an OD.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	But so how many, and you said he was bipolar, right?
	I mean, I don't know if he was diagnosed, but he was very manic, yeah.
	Okay.
	Some kind of thing.
	So how many times was it on again, off again?
	So, I mean, we were on for pretty much the whole time.
	Like, we would have fights, you know, and he would go off and do things, and we, you know, wouldn't talk for a little bit, but like, I was never not with him.
	Was he addicted to?
	I mean, you said he passed away from an overdose.
	Throughout the course of your whole relationship, was he using drugs?
	He was.
	Yeah, nothing, like, nothing in particular consistently, just a lot of just whatever he could do to be with people and the center of attention and kind of like making moves with people and being the.
	Was he ever violent towards you?
	Yeah, he put his hands on me once.
	Okay, once.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Was he involved with any like criminality, anything like that?
	You know, I'm sure, but I was purposefully kind of ignorant at the time.
	Okay.
	You know.
	But so you said for 15 years you were pretty much with him.
	Sort of?
	For like six years, five to six years, we dated consistently.
	From four, you said you started dating him at 14 to so 14 to 19.
	We were just friends in high school.
	So we started dating when we went to college.
	Oh, okay.
	You were just friends in high school.
	20 to like 26.
	20 to 26.
	Yeah.
	You're 34 now.
	Correct.
	So you've been more or less on and off again dating this guy for from 20 to or maybe 19 to 34?
	20 to 34.
	Okay.
	Or 32, because I was 32 the last time that we tried.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	So from how many times was it on again, off again?
	Probably three.
	Three times total.
	Three times total.
	end it him or you um i mean he would he would kind of like disappear Like we would get in a fight and he would just like go off.
	And then, you know, I would say this is toxic.
	We need to end this.
	And then we'd take like a break, end it.
	And who would reach back out to who?
	Would you reach back out to him?
	It depends.
	I think it was about 50-50.
	Well, you said it was three times.
	So disregard that.
	I'm not reading it anyway.
	The last time I broke it off with him.
	And then the time before that, he broke it off with me.
	And then the time before that, I broke it off again.
	Time before that.
	So it's off and on.
	Me, him, me.
	Okay, and you said it was about split in terms of you going back to him.
	Like, who some typically in these on-again, off-again relationships, somebody like reaches back out.
	He would show up back into my life.
	He would put himself, he would come to the bar that I was working at or the gym that I was teaching yoga at or whatever the case may be.
	In the off periods, would you date other men?
	I had one other man that I dated.
	Was that the one during COVID?
	Yes.
	So from 20 to 32, you only dated one other guy?
	Correct.
	From 20 to 32.
	Correct.
	Yes.
	How long did that other relationship last?
	Three and a half, four years.
	May I ask why was that relationship stable?
	Like, was it a good, healthy relationship, or also chaotic?
	I think he was like a rebound in a way.
	I think he helped me.
	Like, I think I he was a really good friend and was there as a comfort and friend.
	Is that how it started?
	You were friends with this guy?
	And then.
	Okay.
	So.
	So it was he had a level head, this other guy.
	Sorry, you dated him for how long?
	This other guy?
	Two years?
	I think three years.
	Three years?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	And did you end that or did he?
	Sorry if I already asked though.
	It was kind of mutual.
	Mutual.
	We had gotten stagnant in the relationship.
	What do you mean, stagnant?
	Like dead bedroom, you guys weren't having sex?
	We weren't having sex.
	We worked opposite schedules.
	Whose fault was that?
	The dead bedroom?
	Like, would he initiate and you turn him down?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Was there ever a dead bedroom with your chaotic?
	No.
	Interesting how that works.
	Okay.
	You've painted a pretty good picture here.
	So you gave arguably your best years from 20 to 34 to a bipolar, chaotic drug addict who was physically violent with you, who was involved in criminal activity.
	Why do you list bipolar as like it's not about you?
	Relax.
	No, I'm just curious.
	Like I mean, we can go there.
	I know in your pre-show notes, you seem Andrew Wilson had a point about how perhaps it's suboptimal to date somebody who's bipolar.
	And I tend to agree with him.
	I'm not trying to shame people who are bipolar, but I mean, I get it.
	People have preferences.
	People are allowed to.
	I think you should have to, but I'm just saying, like.
	Do you think it's wrong?
	No.
	The specific clip that I'm referring to is he mentioned that people who are quote-unquote crazy, bipolar, schizophrenic should not have the right to adopt.
	Oh, well, I can't.
	So, like, I mean.
	Andrew's not here.
	I can't.
	Yeah, I get it, but like, I was just like mentioning that.
	And then also going back to the point that we were talking, and y'all were talking about, I think, just mentioning bipolar as one of the negative connotations, along with drug dealer and all those other things.
	I don't think it could get you stabbed in the neck.
	If you have proper medication and if you are.
	Yeah, but if you don't, I mean, I'm not trying to like throw bullets at you, but I'm just saying, like, it's what led to that, right?
	So you could understand why a person would be apprehensive about dating somebody with it.
	I'm not saying you have to, like, date a certain person, but I'm just saying the list that you had was everything was negative.
	If you replaced bipolar and had a racial, like a specific race there, it would make it very offensive.
	People would get triggered.
	But when you use mental health and you use bipolar, then it's like somehow okay.
	So do you think, let me engage.
	Or it's like wheelchair.
	Like if you add that to the list that you just said, that would be very ableist to say.
	Able?
	What do you mean, ableist?
	So would you consider it a positive?
	No, no, I'm saying if you, the same list you had, everything was negative.
	And then if you were to replace the word bipolar with like somebody who has a wheelchair, I'm not saying that's what you said.
	Do you think being bipolar is the same as being black?
	No, I'm just.
	So why would you, you mentioned specifically if I replaced bipolar with black, that would be racist.
	I didn't say those exact words, but I'm just saying ableism and racism in your crazy people should not be allowed to adopt.
	Holy phone.
	I actually agree with that.
	The thing is, let's just even ignore that.
	Like if you were to say somebody with a wheelchair, drug dealer, like blah, that would be very ableist of you.
	Can you not have a preference to not drug dealing with a wheelchair?
	Drugism is very negative.
	Drug dealer is a mental illness.
	I'm discriminatory against drug dealers.
	No, because you were naming a specific list of describing her past previous partner.
	Right.
	And everything on there was previous.
	Let me ask you a question.
	Is being bipolar ever a positive thing?
	It could be a positive.
	A lot of people have creative minds.
	Look at Selena Gomez.
	She's absolutely amazing in music and she's an incredible woman.
	Do you think her life is better or worse because she's bipolar?
	If you have the proper management and treatment, you can have the same or even better life because it's going to make it harder for you on your own.
	Hold on.
	Let me just say one thing.
	Look, people who have a mental illness or who are bipolar, I absolutely have compassion for these people.
	But in my view, nobody's obliged to date you because you're bipolar.
	And look, if I can speak frankly.
	That's what I'm saying either.
	But if I can speak frankly, yes, I think dating someone who has a mental illness is a sub-optimal dating choice.
	And I personally would not do it, and I don't recommend it to other men.
	Yeah, it could be a dating preference.
	That's totally fine.
	But the list that you were saying, you were basically describing her previous partner.
	Everything on that list was a negative, negatively associated red and black thing.
	And then you added like you don't have to date someone bipolar, but you just date.
	I have compassion for people who are bipolar and struggling with mental illness issues.
	However, yes, I think being bipolar, that would be a negative thing in a dating context.
	I agree.
	Like you said you missed your medication for a bit.
	I'm not saying like you shouldn't do it, but it is more challenging to date someone who is mentally.
	You missed your medication for a few days and that's why you had an episode, which it, again, it comes with a negative connotation because there are like problems that could come from it.
	Let's literally ask a woman who was in a relationship with someone that had bipolar disorder.
	Like, would you say it negatively impacted your relationship?
	I definitely think he should have, like, he's not with us for a reason, right?
	Like, there's a reason he's not here anymore.
	And if he actually was able to get proper treatment instead of trying to self-medicate himself on drugs or whatever to make him feel better, then, you know, that would have been a way more beneficial outcome for him.
	But, you know, I don't think life was easy for him.
	I would say that he had a death wish.
	So what exactly is your objection to what?
	My objection is not that you have to date a bipolar person.
	My objection is that the list that you described, basically describing like her previous partner, I don't remember exactly what it had like drug dealer, like criminal, and like all the different things.
	Yeah, like all the different things that were very negatively associated and very big red flags.
	And then one of them.
	And one of them was basically bipolar.
	Okay, let's simplify this.
	Is being bipolar a positive thing or a negative thing?
	I don't think it should be a positive or a negative, but the list that you had is basically drawing it into a negative way.
	I definitely do think that people who are artists, if you look at Van Gogh and the amazing art he created, like, or Selena Gomez with his music, there's tons of different creative geniuses.
	But for your partner.
	Yeah, simplify it more for like in the dating sense though.
	Right.
	And even in the dating sense, I think it was kind of offensive for you to like have bipolar in the list of things that are clearly, we would all agree are like negatively associated.
	Okay, so you don't think that being bipolar is a negative thing?
	No.
	Do you take medication?
	You're bipolar, correct?
	Do you take medication for it?
	Yes, and I see a psychiatrist and a therapist.
	Why do you take medication for it?
	Same way somebody has heart disease and have to.
	Does anybody want heart disease?
	Is it a positive to have a heart disease?
	Like, it's okay.
	Like, you can say it's negative.
	Like, it's negative.
	I'll change my example, but if somebody is, like, tired and wants to take coffee, caffeine is a drug.
	So.
	Question, they're not always tired.
	It's not like that says diagnosis.
	I feel like it's a challenge more of like than a negative.
	Because negative assigns, like a negative.
	You can dance around this all you want.
	If you're questioning me whether I would like, if there was a magical pull or somehow that I would take away completely 100% heal my bipolar schizophrenia and I would just be going with it, I would say no.
	Because I would say 100% no.
	You feel like it's like a superpower?
	Not in that way, but I think there's a lot of like creativity in me.
	I do a lot of different artworks and different things.
	Wouldn't all creative people have that?
	Not all creative people, but I'm saying there's specific...
	So wouldn't you rather just be creative and not have bipolar disorder?
	That could be an option, but I personally don't think that it's something that I want to like fix essentially.
	But what about some of the challenges you've seen?
	Also, is Selena Gomez actually a creative genius?
	Like she has a producer.
	Does she write her own lyrics?
	She probably, like, I don't know the detail.
	I don't give a, I don't listen to Selena Gomez.
	Don't most pop artists.
	She's an empowering woman and also talks, speaks loudly about bipolar disorder and mental illness.
	That's cool, but like you came at it from this, well, her creativity.
	But like, don't most pop artists have producers and songwriters?
	So what about Ban Gogh?
	I'll throw in another example at you.
	Ban Gogh, yeah.
	Oh, yeah.
	He definitely had some.
	So like name me one artist that doesn't have a producer who was able to do all this on their own and is not like probably can't think of an example.
	Exactly.
	So you should probably think of a whoop.
	I said name an example of an artist who's a personal person.
	Is your argument mental illness is good because it inspires creativity in these individuals?
	Is that your argument?
	Well didn't God make mental illness should not be sorry.
	Didn't God make everyone perfect 10 out of 10?
	Okay, derailed.
	Answer my question.
	Answer my question.
	I don't think mental illness should be seen as a negative thing.
	It's something that, like, what if somebody, I'm just throwing at an example, like somebody was born with like four fingers or like some certain thing, things that make you unique or allow you to have that specific thought process.
	I know some people who are autistic like seeing shapes.
	Like I think that's very fucking cool.
	Like, you know, so I don't think it's like something that should be viewed as a negative thing.
	Well, we're not seeing you as a negative person, but like you would rather not have mental illness, right?
	She said no.
	she said she wanted to keep it but then I was asking about like what about your mental illness a lot of these bad outcomes that have happened like with the case of if I look back since March of 21 until now honestly the amount of progress I've made is a lot better than what it was Truth Bond donated $100.
	Watch out.
	She wouldn't change her mental illness cause it gives her an out to delete people and claim insanity.
	And an artist that does it all on their own is Tom McDonald.
	I haven't checked out McDonald, but I'll definitely check it out.
	Okay, look, again, I'll just restate my position.
	I have compassion for people who suffer from various mental illness issues.
	However, in the context of a conversation about dating, yes, it's suboptimal to date somebody who is suffering from a mental illness.
	Living under score donated $100.
	People love their mental illness because it makes them the main character and unique and different.
	Saying you wouldn't get rid of your mental issues proves this.
	Look at all this attention she gets.
	So, thank you, Living.
	Okay, so if you're bipolar, what are some of the symptoms of that?
	How could that manifest itself, for example, in a relationship?
	Right.
	Mood swings?
	I mean, right now I'm in medication, so honestly, I haven't had a single hallucination, delusion, or what happens if you forget your medication?
	Has that happened?
	No, I have not.
	You've never forgotten it?
	No.
	You said you did when you poked.
	No, I meant from, I'm sorry, I meant from like 2021 till now.
	So, question for you.
	You know, there was the incidence of you in Las Vegas where you sliced the guy or you stabbed him, whatever the framing is.
	Was your bipolar part of that?
	100%, but also I was not treated well.
	I was not taking my medication.
	Wait, Nashu Labo donated $100.
	Any sane person knows that it's a negative.
	I don't want to sleep in the same bed as someone who at a moment's notice may launch a knife into my throat because my cold feet touch her.
	You were arrested, you stabbed a guy by your own admission because of your bipolar disorder.
	Correct.
	Yes.
	But is that fair to say?
	It's not fair to say just bipolar.
	If you were to say that.
	Okay, perhaps there's other factors.
	Let's say it's 50% the cause.
	Would that be fair?
	I mean, I don't have my statistics out, but I do know that there's a difference between a bipolar person who's refusing medications, who's not seeking treatment, who's not doing good and taking drugs and alcohol versus somebody who is taking their medication, who is doing really good in school, contributing to society, and all of that things.
	There's a difference between that.
	I mean, sure, but would you say that in your case, was you being bipolar a contributing factor to the Las Vegas stabbing and something?
	Untreated bipolar, yes.
	Still bipolar?
	Untreated bipolar.
	Were you treated previously?
	Like briefly, but I was off my medication at that time.
	Currently, I get drug tested just to make sure that there's enough like medication.
	Well, my understanding with bipolar, even if you're medicated, it doesn't 100% diminish the impact.
	You see different counselors.
	So are you trying to say that it's odd for people to see it as a liability in dating?
	Yeah, I don't think so.
	You think that's odd?
	Right.
	Like, I think people should take it into context.
	Like, how.
	You do see the comedy in this, right?
	Because of the thing that happened, like, two years ago.
	I definitely do see it, but also as a mental health advocate, I don't want my story to be used as something that would make people think, oh, the bipolar people are, they're going to stab you or something like that.
	That's why I'm trying to talk right now.
	And I get it.
	It's kind of hypocritical in a way, but that's why I'm like being super honest about it and coming on this podcast in the first place, because I'm sure there are plenty of people who have bipolar disorders who have known somebody's bipolar and they're just judging them out of no reason.
	Yeah, but it's not really, it's not like a character judgment.
	It's just a fact.
	It's part of their personality.
	It's something that a mate should be aware of and decide whether or not that's a you know a factor in dating them.
	Right, obviously you have your preferences in dating, but Brian earlier used bipolar in a kind of offensive way.
	I mean, look, I'm sure that you would say you wouldn't date a guy that's like 5'2 or something, right?
	Like, and you would have no worries about offending.
	Hold on.
	You offend a short man, but like.
	I never said that not wanting to date a bipolar person is like not okay.
	You said saying that it was a negative is about saying that it's a negative.
	Is it good to be a 5'2 man?
	I mean, like, depends on other factors, but Brian was listing up different things that everything was a red flag.
	And then associating and shoot me.
	Also, with that.
	Being bipolar.
	Yeah.
	Being bipolar is a red flag.
	Sorry.
	Is that offensive?
	Mental illness also.
	You could have a preference on not wanting to date bipolar person, but the way you were describing it was kind of offensive to anybody who's like high.
	Not necessarily.
	Well, was it also offensive to drug addicts?
	Was it also offensive to criminals?
	I mean, I think we would all agree that drug dealers are not okay.
	Like, I think bipolar people.
	And initially, I thought it was the drug use that was causing all of his erratic behavior.
	And then when we got back together the last time and we were both completely sober, he definitely.
	Johnson and Johnson.
	But it was the same.
	Crazy.
	Moderna.
	Sorry.
	My bad.
	I'm going to get canceled.
	Be real.
	All right.
	I've offended the bipolar lobby.
	Look, again, I have compassion for people who are bipolar or are struggling with their mental health, mental illness.
	I don't think it's wrong to say that it would be, it's a negative in a dating context to date somebody who's got a mental illness that can significantly interfere with their relationship.
	You can say you have a preference, but to word it that way.
	We can move on.
	Okay, fine.
	Fine.
	Okay.
	I was being offensive.
	Or was I?
	I don't think I was.
	I think some people with bipolar as well would actually be a diagnostic.
	Would you date a psychopath?
	I would try not to date them, right?
	Would you be like, do you think being a psychopath?
	Do you think being a psychopath is a negative thing?
	I mean, there's different personality disorder and versus bipolar.
	Bipolar is a bipolar cluster B personality disorder?
	There's different tiers, but it's not.
	Is bipolar a personality disorder?
	I would have to double-check the DSM handbook on diagnoses, but there's a difference between somebody who has just a little bit of depression versus somebody who's Like clinically, like, there's like different right, like, there's different levels to it, obviously.
	And I feel like everybody.
	So, is being a psychopath a negative thing?
	I would have to, like, evaluate it, especially because, like, is that like somebody that just says, oh, I'm a psychopath, or is it like diagnosed, like, I don't know, like diagnose.
	Yeah.
	I would probably not, but I would.
	Aren't you worried about offending all the psychopaths that are watching right now?
	No, mental illness.
	That's uh, you gotta be careful.
	Do you see?
	Look, when it's a personal thing that you're experiencing, you want to reframe it in a positive way because you live with that, right?
	Like, I think that everybody's compassionate about that.
	But when that's something that you're going through, you to enable you to feel okay about that, like you're going to want to reframe it in a positive way.
	You don't have to, though.
	You can just admit that it's not the ideal situation that you're living with, and then just like keep taking your medication and doing well in school.
	Look, there's a reason why everybody hears the thing that you're saying and they see it as peculiar because no one here would wish that they had it.
	I think that it probably came from rough childhood, I'm assuming, right?
	I just want to be embracing the moment.
	There's a lot of different studies that talk about that life is eternal suffering.
	And honestly, what I can do is embrace the moment.
	And instead of like being like this, that, that, I'm like, wow, like look, that's a nice outlook to have on it.
	But like, we can still have like negative traits about ourselves and admit it.
	You know, it's okay.
	Like, I have stuff about me that I don't like that I wouldn't call it.
	It's not, I'm not diagnosed, but you know, I.
	I got dandruff.
	Is that a dangerous thing?
	It's a negative.
	Why?
	It's a negative.
	I don't even know, Bristol.
	You should have kept it.
	I'm offended if you don't want to date me and you list it as a negative.
	I don't mean that you have to date a bipolar person.
	I'm just saying the list that you provided was extreme red flags and you had the bipolar.
	But why was bipolar the only one that's not appropriate to list in the list of red flags?
	Why?
	Because the other things were a clear red flag.
	But to everyone else that's not bipolar, we see that as a red flag.
	I don't think criminals would get offended that criminal is a red flag ender.
	What about a drug addict?
	What if they say that's mental health?
	I don't think they'll get offended.
	I'm addicted.
	You don't think so?
	I don't think so, but.
	I mean, are you a drug addict?
	No.
	Okay.
	So, I mean, if there were a drug addict sitting here, they could probably make the exact same argument that you're making about bipolar.
	You know?
	It's just like it's a personality.
	I don't really see the charity or any organization that's like.
	There are lots of charities dedicated for drug addicts.
	No, no, no.
	Drug free woman.
	I'm saying the opposite direction.
	Like, pro, like, let's take a lot of drugs.
	Oh.
	Like, you know, like, I'm just saying, like, nobody would be advocating for that.
	Well, yeah, nobody advocates to have bipolar disorder either.
	Like, I guess I'm here.
	Right?
	I just think it's a big deal.
	It's a treatable thing.
	Like, it's treated because it's not ideal.
	Yep.
	We're just going in circles.
	We're just, she, she, I offended her.
	It was offensive for me to say that to consider being bipolar a negative.
	So, yeah.
	Going back, though, okay, so you're dating this guy, all these all these negative things.
	Yeah.
	Except for the bipolar.
	That was neutral, I guess.
	You dated him for from 20 to 32.
	I know.
	He took up a lot of years.
	I know.
	My best years.
	I'm just from the guy's perspective, hearing all these negative things.
	And maybe it's the case that men appreciate peace in relationship more than women.
	Maybe.
	But it's like some women, not all women, but is it like some maybe love this sort of roller coaster?
	Like, are you addicted to that excitement?
	got to a point where we were feeding off of each other's energy because we knew I think we were together for so long we knew exactly where each other's buttons were like we knew each other better than we knew ourselves to to a degree sounds toxic yeah so yeah and you said during this like 12 13 year relationship you only saw one other guy the guy you dated for three years or whatever correct yeah uh I mean how do you I guess my question is,
	is like, how do you go from all that chaos to just dating a normal, good, well-adjusted man?
	Well, I never said he was completely well-adjusted.
	The other guy.
	The other guy.
	No, but like, I mean, in general, like, how do you go?
	I think he felt very safe and he felt very different than the guy that I had been with.
	And I was looking for that safety and to feel like comfortable.
	Like, that he.
	I think he really, really liked me.
	Like, and I knew that.
	And so I felt really safe in that.
	And then, but it wasn't actually like, it wasn't actually a good relationship where we were both.
	I think I, I think I was kind of using him to a degree to get over my.
	You gave up 13 years of your life.
	I thought we were going to have kids and get married one day.
	You know?
	This is the guy you want to.
	Crazy guy.
	I know.
	I know.
	It's the I can fix us.
	Yeah.
	Have you heard this?
	100%.
	Men love chaos.
	To a woman except bore her.
	Yes, I have that written down in my notes.
	Gangster.
	So this will explain.
	This is so true.
	I just do anything to a woman except bore her.
	And it's the most true statement that, I mean, if you really think about the things that you're attracted to and where you start to like, you know, lose the spark with somebody, it's when it gets comfortable and it's when it's too safe and it's boring.
	Yeah.
	It's facts.
	Facts.
	It's facts.
	I'm also an only child.
	My parents were never married, but they lived together my whole life.
	So that's super complicated.
	I basically watched them growing up just like annoy each other enough to get like a reaction and prove that the other one still gave a shit about them.
	That's you know.
	So that was my role models.
	So it makes it tough.
	Yeah.
	Do you feel like you felt like really trapped in it too?
	Because I feel like that's something that when I, before I started dating my fiancé, I would like feel trapped to dating these terrible guys.
	I do because I feel like I was always the excuse for my parents, well, we're doing this for you.
	We're staying together for you.
	But it's like, if they had just split up and I would have seen them in a happy relationship, I feel like that would have been so much more beneficial.
	Yeah.
	You know?
	But.
	It does sort of, we were talking about stereotypes earlier, and you mentioned the thing about one of the, you can do anything but bore a woman, basically.
	There is this sort of stereotype that seems to exist in women, but not so in men.
	Like, men aren't really like chasing after bad, the bad girls.
	But women are attracted to bad boys, jerks, assholes.
	But there's not really that corresponding thing in men, which I find interesting.
	That is more of a masculine trait, right?
	I don't think it's a masculine trait.
	My theory, and it's just a theory, is that the reason why women might be attracted to, there's this concept, there's this term called habristophilia, like attraction towards criminality, essentially.
	My thought process, my theory on why that could be, is that one of the things women look for in men is the ability to protect, to be a protector.
	And a man who's more willing, and also to provide too, a man who's more willing to bend the rules to procure resources could, in some conceivable survivor survival situation, be more capable of providing and protecting.
	Also, a man who has greater capacity for violence could be deemed more attractive because they're more prepared to be violent and protect her in some sort of evolutionarily.
	Like if you boil it down to like caveman times, right?
	The most alpha one would kill the least one if it meant protecting the tribe or just like, you know, and a criminal sort of like evokes these visceral feelings from women.
	This is why like murderers are in jail with pen pals and with women that will come for conjugal visits because it's uh it just it does something to your loins or whatever.
	A lot of women love chaos.
	They love adrenaline.
	They love the thrill because it entertains them and they're never bored.
	Right.
	Yeah, I don't know the name of the website, but there's literally a website where you can look up mug shots and like find their address and like send them.
	Like I've seen TikToks off like girls be like, oh, let me go on the site and see which one I want to send mail to.
	To your credit, that is a good point.
	There is a higher, there's a higher number of women who will like reach out to men in prison, for example, looking to start some sort of romantic relationship.
	They'll be pen pals with these men.
	They'll pursue romantic relationships with these men.
	There's a high, there's some men do that too, but there's a much higher percentage of women that do this.
	But yeah, it's definitely, that's a great point, Madison, that there does seem to be this thing where it's like a lot of women would prefer to be with like a kind of toxic but exciting guy versus kind of like the just kind of maybe a little dull, boring, good guy, but dull and boring.
	I've been both of those guys.
	I've seen the difference between my dating like life.
	I also think it has to do with like sometimes the way that the woman grew up because if you're around criminality more, if your family is like gang members or like if you just grow up in like that type of community, you're more used to it.
	So it's like not crazy to you.
	Like it's normal.
	World.
	There's also like childhood like trauma or like not having the fodder around.
	I think that's what makes girls want to attract to that kind of type of guy.
	Let me just drop a Bible verse here.
	Proverbs 21, 19.
	Better to live in the desert than with a quarrelsome and nagging wife.
	How is the wife nagging in this situation?
	What do you mean?
	Well, what does that have to do with what's happening?
	I'm saying like, I think men place a far greater value on peace in a relationship than women do.
	Do you feel that way?
	Oh, yeah.
	Do you want to feel like completely safe in a relationship with a woman?
	I heard you say before you might not want to ever get married, right?
	Yes.
	So what's the goal?
	Like a life partner just not with the contract?
	Pretty much.
	Okay.
	Pretty much.
	That's the dream involved.
	Don't want the government involved.
	But yeah, I mean, like, one of the biggest things I think is that is actually you were there when we had Orion on.
	Maybe you can recall exactly what Orion said.
	But I think one of the biggest things that a woman can do to make herself appealing to a man is it was lack.
	Do you remember?
	Inoffensive.
	Being inoffensive.
	Now, I think bringing, so like bringing peace.
	Orion's thing was like, well, you should have peace in your life already.
	Yeah.
	But my thing is, peace is lack of chaos, I think.
	Yeah.
	I don't want, do you want that?
	Lack of chaos?
	Yeah.
	Oh, yeah.
	You don't want any chaos.
	No chaos.
	You have the most chaotic podcast.
	That's the thing.
	So in my relationship.
	In your relationship.
	I already deal with it.
	Like, I think that's the thing with, like, especially, you know, like men who are entrepreneurs or business owners or any guy that's like out there grinding.
	Yeah.
	Like, we're already fighting the world and we don't want to be fighting with our girl in a relationship.
	I want like total peace in my relationship.
	So, yeah, being inoffensive, I think.
	Or was that?
	And it was just like respecting your man or like showing him a lot of respect and being inoffensive.
	Respecting him no matter what.
	Like a girl who's always quarreling, nagging, arguing, taking issue with like little things.
	What about a really calm girl but chaotic surroundings so she could tell you stories every day?
	Like very interesting.
	Wait, what do you mean?
	Like she's calm.
	She's calm, but the people she surrounds themselves.
	No, she's the closest.
	Like her friends just aren't wild as things and she can always tell you about it.
	Well, I think friends can have a massive influence on you.
	And I would question typically, you know, if you have a group of five drugs like say they're all drug dealers, but one is like the goody two-shoes, I feel like eventually that one might end up slanging some crap, just saying that.
	Well, they say you're the sum of like the closest five people around you, right?
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	I feel like men don't really care about being entertained to the extent that women do.
	Yeah, just like you probably don't even want to hear stories.
	Patrice O'Neal, I don't know if you guys know him, rest in peace, Patrice O'Neill.
	He's got this, he's got this saying is, how does it go?
	Maybe chat can help me.
	It goes something like, we want you around.
	Wait, do you know what?
	Yeah, we want you around, but we don't want you around.
	It's like you want the comfort of having a woman, right?
	Or a partner and not having them there all the time.
	Let me just.
	We want you with us, but not.
	Yeah.
	Not really with us.
	Oh, it goes, men.
	Wait, hold on.
	Men want to be alone, but we don't.
	Sorry, fuck, it's not loading.
	Men want to be alone, but we don't want to be by ourself.
	Would you find it to be a red flag if a woman thought the same way as that?
	What do you mean?
	So, like, let's say a woman also wants that.
	Like, they don't want to be alone.
	Rest in peace.
	But they want to be by themselves.
	Like, what if a woman thought that way?
	Would you be okay?
	It sounds like a great parent, you would think.
	Lauren donated $100.
	Rest in peace.
	Do any of these girls actually know how an abortion happens?
	Have the pro-choice girls answer first, then the pro-life girl answer second.
	What does that mean?
	How it happens?
	That's what Harry does.
	Do you guys know how it happens?
	Anybody know how it happens?
	I think you can take a pill up to like eight or ten weeks and then just have an abortion at home basically by yourself, or you can have it surgically removed after that.
	I don't know exactly up to when, but.
	Yeah.
	How do y'all think?
	Well, you are not.
	No, don't, don't, don't.
	What's wrong with that?
	It just mentions.
	Don't drop problems.
	Don't.
	If I could get them through TS, then I could get them.
	Oh, my God.
	Christian carrots are.
	Your medical tools are caught in the distance.
	Hold on.
	Just kindly.
	I don't want to.
	Look, I don't know if it's fine or not with YouTube to do it.
	So you think it is a baby?
	Yo, yo, yo, yo.
	Hold on, stop.
	This is my podcast.
	I've told you no repeatedly.
	Is the baby okay?
	Not the.
	Nah, just put that fucking shit away.
	That's such a cute person.
	Bro, I have a mind to fucking kick you off the podcast right now.
	I told you no.
	I don't have an issue with your position, but we have to be considerate of YouTube guidelines, Twitch guidelines.
	I don't know what you're pulling out.
	Like, don't play that fucking game with me.
	No, no, no.
	It's just the dog.
	I carry it around all the time.
	Yeah, but if I say no.
	Yeah, no, it's fine.
	I didn't hear you over everyone else.
	Yeah, oh, of course.
	That's fucking bullshit.
	You fucking heard me.
	Okay, I apologize, but I.
	Yeah, don't try to, like, what are you trying to fucking do?
	Come on my podcast and get my fucking channel nuked?
	I don't know what you're trying to fucking show.
	Well, you could have just asked me that.
	I literally told you no.
	Well, that's why I put it away.
	I didn't know.
	You put it away after I had to, like, put my foot down repeatedly.
	I didn't know it was a problem.
	I mean, you're.
	That's why I told you no.
	Okay, I put it away.
	I didn't, I put it away.
	I didn't know it was a problem.
	I mean, your staff saw me bring it in, and I didn't think it was a problem.
	When they searched my documents.
	I didn't see them scissors up in there like that.
	I apologize.
	It's nothing that would get me taken down, though.
	So I don't, I apologize if that triggers you.
	I just didn't.
	I just didn't.
	It doesn't, bro.
	Hold on.
	Let me make something very clear.
	I don't have an issue with your pro-life position.
	What I do have an issue with is you presenting anything on camera that could negatively impact my YouTube channel.
	Now I know that, again, I don't have an issue with your thing, but like, kindly respect.
	Have I not seen Trent Horn show pictures of babies and bring books on the show?
	This is the whatever podcast.
	Yeah, on the whatever podcast.
	No.
	I don't recall what was shown or not in the Trent Horn debate.
	But if you show certain imagery that's gruesome, yes, that will negatively impact my channel.
	I'm pretty sure they showed pictures of what if we just would be at certain weeks or whatever, but they didn't show what an abortion would look like.
	Yeah, I wasn't going to go and rip the doll apart.
	I'm not a crazy person.
	I mean, that is what happens in an abortion, but obviously I'm not going to damage it.
	It's just a doll in force that is a medical tool.
	It wasn't anything bad.
	I wasn't trying to sabotage your podcast.
	I think forceps are used for more than just abortions though, are they not?
	Yeah, but in abortions are used as...
	Okay, but look, I'd rather err on the side of being cautious and not potentially risk the video getting fucking demonetized because you want to rip...
	Like, look, again, I don't have an issue with your position, but it is like a pro-life strategy to show like gruesome pictures of abortions and shit.
	I didn't bring a gruesome picture.
	I know, but you're rifling through your purse and like, this shit's live.
	Okay, this shit's fucking live.
	I'm respecting your decision.
	Oh, my God, bro.
	Brian, I get you, but why did there, like, why did the staff just look like?
	I don't know.
	I don't think they knew exactly what was in there and what she was going to do.
	I'm respecting it.
	I don't understand why you're angry.
	I put it away.
	I respect your decision.
	You weren't, though.
	I had to say no multiple times.
	I did not hear.
	And once I heard you say no, I started putting them away and I asked you for clarification.
	I just don't.
	I got allowed.
	I put the tools away immediately.
	I kept the baby because I don't really see how a baby could get your content taken down.
	Yeah, but I don't know what kind of shit you're trying to do.
	Okay, you could have just asked a clarifying question.
	It should have just, if I just say no, like that's what I'm saying.
	And that's why I put it away.
	And I apologize.
	No, I had to be pretty forceful multiple times.
	I put the tools away right away.
	I just held the baby in my hand.
	I wasn't waving it in the camera.
	I was just holding it and putting it back in my purse.
	To be fair, when people ask what an abortion is and then you start pulling forceps and a baby out of your purse, I would add so little abortion.
	It's not like it's not like I came on and started waving the tools or anything in your face.
	I wasn't trying to be.
	I'm not trying to be disrespectful of your podcast at all, and I respect your decision.
	I was trying to answer the question, and I just have to ask you.
	Somebody ask before you do it.
	That would probably be most respectful.
	If I had known that was an issue, I would have, but if I can bring those, all of that through TSA airport security, then I don't really see that.
	What does TSA have to do with YouTube and Twitch TOS?
	I thought it was a whole weapons thing is the issue of why it could get taken down.
	Is that not?
	No, it's not a weapon.
	It's just like...
	We're talking about abortion.
	That's like a really serious subject.
	So we're not allowed to talk about abortion on here now?
	We're not allowed to like.
	No, bro, I'm just being over.
	I'm just being risk averse to like you potentially bringing something that, again, don't have an issue with what you're preaching at all.
	My issue is YouTube and Twitch have very strict guidelines when it comes to what we can show.
	So I'm respecting your decision.
	All right, bro.
	I'm going to move on.
	We're not going to even go there.
	All right, GG, does everyone actually know what bipolar disorder is by definition?
	I mean, I'm not a clinical psychologist, and I don't want to give out a definition because I'm not certified on that, but I can speak on my own experiences of what it means to like have bipolar.
	But essentially, like there's different stages, or a lot of people have like different mood swings.
	And the mood swings are not like 24 hours, like I feel up and down, like within hours.
	It's more like weeks, like two weeks of like, like, obviously not like taking into account the medication, but two weeks of like extreme energy, like no sleep, just getting shit done, like on, on, on.
	And then, like, next two weeks, I might literally just be so tired and exhausted and depressed, like in bed, and not able to do anything.
	So that's one of the things, but I also have like schizophrenia, which is like the delusion aspect of it.
	But that's what I would describe, like my personal bipolar.
	So no definition.
	It's just me.
	May as well.
	I don't want to give out wrong medical definition or terms if it's not like.
	Carrie Kitty, Brian, what caused your back pain?
	Just I've had a couple injuries over the years.
	All right, let's see.
	We have.
	You got disc?
	I have a fracture at L5S1.
	It's a long story, but can I have you, can I, Julie?
	Can I have you read this one?
	Malia, you said last time.
	Malia, you said last time you're into nerds who don't like you in return and you prefer to meet men in person.
	How has a beautiful, rational woman stayed single for two and a half years?
	Are you privately crazy/slash needy, too picky?
	Is it the farting?
	Make it make sense.
	Brian, I'm going to be like a fart girl.
	I didn't toot.
	Didn't do it.
	And I think I'm not privately crazy.
	I think it's pretty open.
	I'm just kidding.
	No, I'm just bad at dating, I think.
	I don't know.
	Okay.
	Can I have you read this one?
	Selena Gomez just sat on the right dick at the right time.
	That was her talent.
	Then Haley Baldwin came and stole her dreams.
	He's a Justin Bieber stan, apparently.
	I don't know anything about these people.
	It's crazy he has that lore.
	Can I have you read this one?
	I misspoke on this.
	No, Brian, bipolar is not a cluster B personality disorder.
	Recheck the DSM-5.
	Also, is having PTSD a negative trait in a partner?
	If so, are women justified in viewing veterans as sub-optimal partners since they're more likely to have PTSD?
	Thank you.
	Okay, so.
	Yes, I got my wires crossed.
	I was thinking of BPD borderline personality disorder, which is a cluster B personality disorder, I believe, along with NPD, narcissistic personality disorder.
	And I believe the other one is anti-social personality disorder.
	You guys can for cluster B personality disorder.
	So I got that wrong.
	Having PTSD a negative trait in a partner, as opposed to somebody who doesn't have PTSD, again, I have compassion for people who do have PTSD.
	But yes, I would say it's a sub-optimal dating choice to date somebody who has PTSD.
	Look, if you're fine with it and you're willing to take on the potential burden, then that's totally fine.
	But There seems to be a lot of confusion.
	Like, someone with anxiety, it's suboptimal, right?
	That's suboptimal to date someone with anxiety too.
	More optimal to date someone without anxiety.
	It could have negative impacts on the relationship.
	If they have agoraphobia, for example, and they have a fear of going out into public, that could prevent you if you're, say, more extroverted and you like to go out to dinner or go out places publicly and your partner doesn't.
	That could be a negative in the relationship that could have a negative impact.
	Also, not every there's not a single person that has 100% perfect mental health.
	Everybody has their own issues, and it's just like different or in different levels.
	So, like, you know, it's here.
	And I'll just answer the last part.
	I think she got triggered in the YouTube chat because we didn't answer her thing right away.
	Just FYI.
	If you're sending a super chat through YouTube, we get to it when we can get to it.
	You sent this at 9:47, so that was about 20 minutes ago.
	So I think we're actually getting to it in a pretty reasonable timeframe here.
	Your last thing: are women justified in viewing veterans as suboptimal partners since they're more likely to have PTSD?
	Well, I mean, do they have PTSD?
	Do they not?
	People have different experiences when it comes to their time in the service.
	I don't think women are beholden to date anybody for any reason.
	Nobody should be forced to date anybody.
	People can have any preferences they want when it comes to dating.
	If a woman doesn't want to date somebody who was a veteran, that's her prerogative.
	She can not want to date somebody because his favorite color is blue.
	Don't care.
	You can have whatever preference you want.
	That's everybody's allowed to have their preferences.
	So they could be wrong.
	Blue's a fucking dope color.
	I have blue eyes.
	Fuck you.
	But whatever.
	Okay.
	Maddie, can you read this one?
	Actually, Julie, let's have Julie do it.
	She's a good reader.
	Sorry, Maddie.
	You're fired.
	Julie's hired.
	Actually, we should have her be, you want to be helmet girl?
	Okay, we'll talk after this.
	Maddie's on break on vacation.
	Don't argue or debate with women.
	You will never win and you'll keep going in circles.
	Just walk away.
	Sincerely, the Meta Alpha.
	The Meta Alpha?
	Kind of crazy.
	Carl Bennington.
	Meta Alpha.
	The mana missile legend.
	All right.
	Let's see.
	Where were we?
	Did you pull up that yellow one, Nick?
	You can get to it whenever you can.
	Pre-show notes.
	Okay, Kylie, you're dating the dude.
	You said you're currently in a situation with the guy.
	I am.
	I am.
	It's been going a year.
	He just moved back to my area in November.
	But you said it's fizzling out.
	Did I say it's fizzling out?
	I think, yeah.
	Uh-oh.
	Exposed.
	You said in the pre-show notes at first talked about wanting to have babies and seemed very intimate, but things have been fizzling out.
	Yeah, so like when he would come here when he was working elsewhere and he would come into town and we would like date and see each other, it just seemed like he was way more interested.
	Versus now, it's like we're seeing each other more frequently and we're still not really communicating properly either.
	I think we're both very similar personality-wise.
	And so we're just, it's just, it's not necessarily fizzling out.
	I think we're at a point where we need to like verbalize our boundaries, what we're looking for in order to move anything forward, if that makes sense.
	Okay.
	You wanted to talk about we're all products of our culture.
	Did you want to, is that enough of a prompt for you to well, I do think that we are As young women, like they, we are so imprinted that we're girl bosses and like we're so powerful and we don't need men.
	And for me, you know, that was kind of ingrained in my mind.
	And then COVID happened and all of a sudden I was like, oh, I want to feel like safe and reminded me of that feeling when I was in those relationships before and felt unsafe, right?
	And I think that a lot of women feel like that, like they want to feel safe.
	And I think men and women are having a hard time finding like setting what we want from each other and then fulfilling those roles for each other.
	Right.
	You said that men were not taught how to be real men, opening doors, being respectful, fixing things, taking lead in a relationship, being confident about what they want and where they are going.
	And women aren't taught how to be proper wives and like take care of a house and do the things that women were taught before.
	So it's like everything's kind of all out of bounds and nobody knows their roles for anything.
	Do you not think that women should have careers?
	I mean, I think that women should have something that they're passionate about.
	I mean, your kids, obviously.
	But I don't necessarily, like, women, so women are bosses, and we do run the world by whispering in men's ears because men are usually fighting wars over women, right?
	Like, women use their energy and like their manipulate.
	Wait.
	I mean, to a degree.
	But that's what inspires men to do great things and whispering in the ears.
	Yeah.
	Success is achieved by whispering.
	Are you saying like women's standards make men work harder for themselves?
	Correct.
	Yes.
	I don't disagree necessarily.
	I mean, honestly.
	Men get.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Men will be aware of that.
	But just the way you word it was kind of like, yeah, kind of cool.
	Wait, so hold on.
	Is there, do women run the world or is there a patriarchy?
	I'm a little confused here.
	Well, you guys have the stick, so I'm pretty sure that it's.
	What's up with you and sticks?
	You've been talking about lots of paddling.
	I like playing pools.
	And it reminds me of ED as well.
	Oh, yeah.
	A lot of things.
	A lot of sticks.
	He was a thriller.
	A couple more points from you.
	You said calling cap on OF girls that say they disclose their career to men.
	Well, like, so I'm just saying if you met a guy and you really liked him and you thought he was a prospect, and if he straight up asked you if you're sleeping with somebody else or like what you do for work, if you had a feeling that he wouldn't approve of it right away, would like a lot of girls say that they would tell would tell him, but I don't, I feel like women are who are out looking for a partner are going to be in like,
	what, yeah, they lie.
	Because you're in like a...
	I just assume the majority of the women that I go out with have an OnlyFans.
	That's crazy.
	Only like 2%, 1 to 2% of the population in Los Angeles.
	Also, I would absolutely never do that much.
	They probably have it.
	And I just don't even, I don't care.
	I don't ask.
	It wouldn't bother me, though.
	Because I'm, well, yeah, I'm not dating for, like, I'm not trying to find a wife.
	So I'm just like, I'm dating.
	You're dating for what?
	What are you dating for?
	Part work.
	Entertainment.
	Because, like, I'm not.
	He's good.
	That's why I'm not.
	I would love to, like, you know, find somebody that I would, you know, commit to and be with for a long period of time, but I don't need a wife or more kids.
	So then, if you're not, but if you're not dating for marriage, you're essentially dating for heartbreak.
	Whose heartbreak?
	My own or?
	Yeah, do you not like put any actual love into your relationship?
	Of course, yeah, I could be completely in love with somebody.
	And if you're not dating them with the intent to, if they're suitable, get married, then aren't you just dating to I don't necessarily agree with marriage in general.
	I don't think that it's a base.
	It doesn't really benefit most guys at all.
	Like, I understand, like, for a woman, like, if you are, let's say that you are you dedicated yourself to being a good mom and a housemaker and all that.
	You have no assurances then if you don't have a marriage, if you don't have a contract, because if the guy just decides to leave you and you have no money or no skills, you're kind of screwed.
	So, I understand marriage in that regard, but I still don't know.
	Is it like the government-involved aspect of it?
	Well, yeah, like having a contract in general.
	Like, I went through it, and there are a lot of democracies happening there, and it's not quite beneficial to me, you know.
	Does like, so the idea of like a contract is what?
	Is what like dedicating yourself to be aware of?
	If you look at everything through a Christian's worldview, like you can't, uh, it just doesn't make sense to have those conversations with people.
	Even if we're not looking at a Christian worldview, like what is like if, let's say, for instance, there's no God.
	Like, at the very least, your goal in life should be more than just find pleasure and I disagree.
	I think that it can be whatever you want that brings you happiness and doesn't hurt other people.
	I don't think that you have to have a greater purpose.
	I like the idea of procreating and having kids, and like that's for me personally a wonderful aspect of my life.
	But I do not give a shit if somebody else shares that.
	Wait, let me ask you a question that perhaps can address the question that you just asked him.
	So, if we remove religion from this, what can a man get from marriage that he can't get from just having a long-term relationship with a woman?
	You can still be monogamous.
	You can still have children.
	You can still stay with them for the rest of your lives.
	What do you get from marriage that you can't just get from long-term relationships?
	I think, like, being able to sleep at night and knowing that you have a sense of stability that your significant other won't just like leave you, like, there's some sort of contract between you where you know that they're fully committed to you.
	Well, people get divorced all the time.
	And I do not support.
	I mean, obviously, there's cases where like abusive spouses, that's bad.
	But, like, people get divorced for a variety of reasons.
	And I think there can be no abuse in their minds.
	Marriage makes it harder for that, though, at least.
	So, basically, your argument for marriage is it's basically the state at gunpoint saying stay together because it's harder.
	No, it's not the same.
	Because you're choosing to do it.
	Like, yes, obviously, there is that aspect, but like you're still choosing to get married, even though the government is involved.
	Like, I would like to be in a relationship where I know I've done everything I can to make sure I'm in a committed relationship for the rest of my life.
	So, as a woman, you feel more stable.
	As a man, we feel less stable.
	I actually think the relationship.
	Does all men feel like that?
	I think if you're married as a man and you're the breadwinner, it necessarily means that that relationship is less stable because there's now a financial incentive for the relationship.
	Is ghosting, ignoring others' romantic or platonic relationship ever justifiable, or is there a better way of letting someone know you don't want them in your life and hope they die all girl away?
	Okay, hold on.
	We'll answer that really quick.
	We'll come back to the marriage thing here in just a sec.
	So, okay.
	Is ghosting, ignoring others, romantic or platonic?
	I think it can be justifiable, but if you can let someone know in a diplomatic way that you no longer want to talk to them, I think that's totally fine.
	Any other thoughts on that?
	I agree completely with you.
	It depends on how long you've been saying them to.
	If it was just one date and you're like, actually, I don't really like it.
	If it's early on, I don't need a breakup text.
	You're good.
	Like your case earlier, if they don't show up, ghost them.
	I don't like that makes sense to me.
	Yeah, I mean if you can end something and I think it's it's it's nice of you to do.
	I don't think you have to do it, but yeah.
	Madison?
	I said word.
	Oh word?
	Word.
	Based.
	Yeah, I mean like you said though, I think you did make a good point.
	Obviously it depends like how long you knew the person.
	If you dated somebody for three years and you don't want to see them anymore, it'd be kind of really bad to kind of just.
	Although I'm sure we could all agree if there's concern over safety, then it could very well be justified.
	Even for that, you could text that in a diplomatic way.
	Sure, you could still not even reference that, but just you could let them know.
	It might trigger them to do something.
	I was going to say though.
	No, I was like, you probably don't want to mention that, but like a simple five-sentence word, like that communicates we were no longer together.
	And actually after further thought in the past five seconds, you could actually perhaps make an argument that ghosting could actually present a safety concern too because they might feel disrespected or they might, oh, they might like show up to your house.
	What happened?
	Are you okay?
	And then so maybe it's better to just have a conversation, let them know.
	It could be a simple like short, just let them know.
	I had a recent, like, I was respectful.
	I was like, hey, it's not going to work for me.
	I think we have a miscommunication problem here.
	And I would have been so much better off.
	I just ghosted.
	Really?
	She was so awful.
	Like, did she, how long were you dating this girl?
	I mean, it was so casual.
	It was like a couple times.
	She was a nagger?
	Not quite.
	I would just say expected a lot.
	Did she want like a three-hour closure conversation?
	I was called the worst person in Los Angeles.
	And like, I mean, I saw it and I was like, oh, you know, okay, that sucks.
	She's like, yeah, I mean, I understand she maybe felt hurt about it, but I didn't even respond to that.
	But what if ghosting Herman, she like came after you even more than ghosting her would have been worse.
	Speaking of being asked, wait, so was this in person or on the phone call?
	No, we're text.
	It was text.
	Shit, you've been dating for two years?
	Text.
	Text.
	No, okay.
	Thank you for the TTS there.
	So, okay, going back to the marriage thing.
	Can I add something on the marriage thing?
	Sure.
	I get what she's saying.
	And, you know, 100% you can get a divorce legally, yeah.
	But I think it's more of like a culture or like honor system in a way.
	And I think it's applicable for both men and women.
	You know, it's not the fact that you sign a physical contract.
	It's not the legality of it.
	It's the tradition of it or the fact that you could say we're married.
	I feel like it, like, it kind of makes it more committed in a way.
	Right.
	I know legally, yeah, you can definitely do that.
	Yeah.
	You know, it's a bit romanticized.
	Culturally, it sounds more of like an honored.
	But also, like, if someone is willing to like marry you on paper, it probably means they're not planning to leave you.
	Like, there are, I've dated terrible, awful guys before I met my fiancé in high school where they would like basically manipulate me by being like, oh, I'll stay with you forever.
	We're going to get married.
	All this stuff that, yes, I was gullible to believe.
	But like, you can't like really know for, I mean, you can kind of know, but like, you know for sure when someone like says, I'm going to marry you, I'm going to propose to you, we're going to get married, and actually does it, that's how you know they're really serious.
	Because unfortunately, we do live in a culture where people lie and manipulate others into doing things.
	Well, do you think when people get married that they're like that they're going into it like thinking that it's going in?
	Like, can you conceive a world where two people get married, they have the full intention of going the distance, they love each other, the relationship's great, and then maybe something happens.
	Oh, yeah.
	Maybe things change and then they get divorced and there was no abuse.
	Maybe the woman gets bored.
	Maybe the guy wants to fuck a bunch of chicks in LA.
	Just kidding.
	I'm kidding.
	but like marriage to me it's like it's two people staying together under threat of a lawsuit from the other so what do you and usually the man loses that's the That is true.
	So do you have any thoughts around, let's say if a woman does commit her life to you and being like a good partner and mom or whatever.
	Sure.
	I mean, theoretically, you could walk away and leave her with no life skills or security, right?
	Do you believe that that's a moral issue or a legal issue?
	I don't think it should.
	You don't think the government should get involved at all?
	There are no guarantees for her if she, you know what I mean?
	If she sacrificed having a career or whatever.
	I would say that that's tough.
	It is a fair argument.
	It is a fair argument for alimony, right?
	In a situation where she's completely, you know, in an effort to help you, she's disregarded pursuing her career.
	You were the sole breadwinner.
	She had kids with you.
	There's conceivable argument that there are some scenarios where alimony is justified.
	But let's say, for example, like the way the law currently is, let's say she got a college degree.
	And let's say she could re-enter the workforce and get a high five-figure or even a six-figure job.
	The law, as it currently is, she would still be eligible for alimony despite her earning potential.
	I know.
	So, you know?
	Yeah.
	Well, actually, tell us a bit about your own experience.
	I mean, I made my last alimony payment this month.
	It was...
	You guys were married for eight years, wasn't it?
	Yeah, so in California...
	It's half the time you were married?
	Unless it goes to 10 years, and then it's indefinite.
	It's up to the judge.
	After 10 years.
	If we had been married for 10 years, it would be an indefinite amount of alimony up to the judge.
	And that payment was assessed based on my earnings, of course, but also there were no stipulations about her needing to work ever.
	So those payments are coming out and she just doesn't have to work.
	And she hasn't worked ever.
	So you paid alimony for four years?
	Yeah.
	Four years.
	She didn't work the whole time?
	No, not since we even got together.
	I mean, I met her.
	She got pregnant two months later.
	Oh, yeah.
	Yeah, that's fine.
	Like in the marriage, but like after, like, is there a reason why she didn't?
	I wanted her to be a good mom and just stay, you know, like, I mean, it's not like she asked me, hey, should I go work?
	She was like, hey, what do you think about me being a stay-at-home mom?
	Like, I love it.
	But also, like, she left her job.
	And even though she has the potential to go back in the job market, that's for how many years that is like.
	Yeah, look, you know, the only quarrel I really have with what transpired there, like, I'm okay with the alimony, the child support, of course.
	I mean, even though we are 50-50, and I still, anyway, the hypocritical things that happen, especially in California, like if I had, let's say, bought her a gift, like a watch, and on that same day I bought myself that watch or a different watch, when we divorce, she gets her watch and half of my watch.
	And that just doesn't make any sense to me, right, at all.
	Community properties.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Like if I got myself something, like she gets half of it.
	It's a weird thing.
	Interesting.
	I didn't know that.
	Yeah, it's odd.
	And I had that conversation.
	How old were you?
	And how old was she when you guys met?
	I was 25 and she was 23.
	Had she gotten like a bachelor's degree from college or anything?
	No, no college education.
	Just a trade.
	What was she like when you met her?
	Was she working?
	She was cutting hair.
	Oh, so she, okay.
	We met on an airplane and she was moving to LA.
	She's a hairdresser.
	Yeah.
	is that something where like you know there's not like much uh what's it called uh like corporate growth or like you're not like you're not climbing a ladder yeah Yeah, so it's like your income at 30 years of age as a hairstylist probably doesn't differ that much from at 50 years of age.
	Yeah.
	Assuming you've continued working for that entire duration of time.
	Obviously, you know, cost of living over the 20 years, inflation, but like maybe you increase your prices a little bit over that period of time.
	You can be a business owner, open multiple store family.
	But it's like she could jump right, like, that's not like once you get divorced, you could jump right back into being a hairstylist.
	So like, I'm not sure how much the alimony is, but if you calculate what, like, an average money she would earn for the four years plus some kind of compensation for like like taking care of the child and stuff, like does that amount of money?
	Compensation?
	Like, funds, money.
	I mean, I took care of my kids too.
	I don't get compensated for it, right?
	Let's just like not even, like, the four years of, four years of working, what average you would think she would make, is that more or less of what you paid for the alimony?
	I, no, her settlement was way more than she would have ever earned in her life.
	Okay.
	Just curious.
	Yeah.
	I'm not saying that I necessarily disagree with it because I was poor when we met also.
	And so like that buildup was partially attributed to like our relationship and me being able to focus on that while she is a good mom, like that was important to me.
	And I'm totally fine with that, actually.
	Yeah.
	Sounds like you need a better divorce attorney.
	No.
	You know, we didn't actually hire attorneys.
	We just did like the mediator.
	We got one lawyer between us and we agreed on most things.
	There were just like things like with the watch, the gift.
	I thought that was kind of not very, I don't like saying fair, but it didn't seem very fair.
	Well, it was not fair.
	But weren't you also the one who initiated the if that is your preference and like you didn't see the relationship going?
	Yeah.
	That's cool.
	But also like I feel like whoever is initiating the like divorce or breakup or whatever should kind of like be think that you might not get the best situation out of it, but you'll hate that perspective about it.
	What about the women that are initiating divorce?
	Right.
	Yeah, should they get any alimony?
	I mean, I honestly don't even know that much about alimony and stuff, but like to me, whoever.
	It's basically a lifestyle tax on the guy.
	It's like she lived a certain way and he has to keep that up for her for some number of years.
	Right.
	Also still taking care of your children.
	Right.
	Do you regret getting married?
	No, not at all.
	So then what?
	So what led, like, was it just a dysfunctional relationship and then afterwards you're like, this can't work anymore?
	Yeah, I mean, our kids were little when we were fighting a lot.
	And so it was like, I was reliving some stuff like when I was a kid, thinking about the promises I made where I was like, I'm never going to, you know, do this to my kids or whatever.
	And then I saw that happening.
	I'm like, all right, I'm just, I think this is a good, like.
	And look, to be honest, she's a great person.
	I would never say anything bad about her, but we are not compatible.
	And when you when you have a kid with somebody you've known for a month, it's like, you know, how much do you know somebody after one month?
	Yeah.
	You know, so.
	I got a couple questions for you.
	And if any of these you're not comfortable answering, that's totally fine.
	Rorigin donated $100.
	Fun fact, women instigate 70% of divorces.
	Interesting, in it.
	In it.
	In it.
	Yeah, but when a woman gets divorced, depending on what age she is, she's probably out of her prime.
	to be able to marry back it is possible but men have a lot better opportunities for remarriage and plus like what is considered prime for men is older than women so they might have already lost their like I mean, then you can, you can remarry, but you know, I feel like that's not that that justifies it, but you know, I feel like that.
	I mean, if that were the case, why are women?
	I actually heard the numbers, as high as 80 of divorces are initiated by women.
	But a couple questions for you, um, so four years of alimony, correct?
	Um, I don't know if you're comfortable sharing the amount, why not?
	I mean it.
	I won't show the exact amount, but I mean she became a millionaire from our divorce.
	She was a hairdresser.
	Yeah damn, have you seen Elon Musk's like divorce settlements?
	Like she?
	Like he married a woman and then divorced her and then he had to pay some large amount of money and then he married her again and then got divorced again.
	So I was just like what, bro?
	I mean like yo, twice.
	I think.
	Honestly, if conservatives want to see more people get married, you gotta fucking rework this, these fucking bullshit laws you want to make.
	You want to make it easier for them to get divorced.
	Basically, is what you're asking conservatives to do?
	No actually, if there was less of a financial incentive for women to get divorced, perhaps they'd be less likely to do it.
	So so you're going from, like the, the male perspective.
	You want to make it easier for men to want to get married and less convenient for a woman to want to get married, because you're you're, you're basically saying it's less convenient for a woman to marry the man she loves because she stands to get less in a divorce.
	Is that your argument?
	No, because why would a woman feel comfortable to become a stay-at-home mom if she knows she's going to be left in the, in the dust if something happens?
	How about this i'll get?
	I'll grant you that in certain scenarios where, if she genuinely like, gives up her career to get married, then there's certainly a case.
	And to raise children, and she would have otherwise elevated in the corporate world or whatever, and she would have been earning this much, but she didn't.
	I think it there should be some calculus, some sort of mathematical analysis on the basis of what she would have earned.
	Because it's crazy in his situation where you take a hairdresser and he's made her a millionaire.
	That's ridiculous, because didn't you say you started you, you both started off with not.
	I think you said that right yeah, I was very poor, right.
	So she started off not maybe not the same, but like in similar circumstances and who knows if she might not be likely, but she could have eventually become something big too.
	Gotta empower women.
	Just because we're women do big things.
	Nickelodeon donated 100.
	How many of the top 10 women billionaires are self-made or google this?
	Most are from divorce or inherited.
	Men value love, women love value.
	Interesting, that's good.
	Nickelodeon, that's a good one.
	Uh okay, wait.
	So I actually, going back to one of my earlier conversations with with uh um, I was asking, so what do men get from marriage that they can't get from a long-term, monogamous, committed relationship?
	And I think you said well, the stability of the relationship correct, and I I was making the point before TTS came in that well, Is it more stable for the relationship?
	Because I would argue that it could actually be more stable for the relationship to not give women this big incentive to get divorced, which is a financial incentive.
	So the incentive for her to stay in the divorce, mind you, 80% of divorces are initiated by women, would be to continue receiving the provider benefits of her husband.
	To be clear, I don't think that women should take advantage of a divorce and intentionally steal an amount of money, but I do think that those...
	Do you think his situation was fair?
	I don't know.
	You'd have to review that case.
	Okay.
	Sorry.
	Well, you don't think, well, that may be all well and good, but let's say there's a perfectly innocent and well-intentioned and perhaps naive woman.
	Divorce is a rather complicated legal process, isn't it?
	Sorry.
	Is divorce a complicated legal process?
	Do you need an attorney for that?
	Usually yes.
	Okay.
	Now, let's assume she's even a Christian woman, a devout Christian woman, but let's assume her attorney isn't.
	What's the purpose of an attorney?
	To make money, right?
	Like as a career path.
	Basically, they're desirous of making money.
	Now, question for you.
	I don't know if it's like billed hourly.
	Is there ever a scenario where like the bigger, the more money, like the attorney can get some of the money?
	Yeah, so they generally will work on either contingency where that's like a third of everything, or they bill you hourly against a retainer.
	But so in divorce proceedings, they can work on contingent.
	If I had my own attorney and she had her own, which that's not the path we went down, then her attorney would have taken a third of her settlement.
	So the attorney has a financial incentive to siphon as much money from you as possible.
	And additionally, if you did have an attorney, you would have had to pay for her attorney and your own attorney, correct?
	Yeah, because all the funds came from me.
	And then their billable hours, the more hours they work, if they're being paid hourly.
	So then even if the woman that you marry is a devout Christian woman, if she goes to an attorney whose job it is to siphon as much money as possible from the husband and who perhaps is unscrupulous in their lawyering, well, you get fucked anyways, regardless of how pious or I'm not saying that's a good thing.
	I'm not saying I support that system.
	It's unfortunate.
	But like, I just think the underlying issue is that people are going into marriage thinking what can they get out of it.
	And a real loving marriage is about what can I give to this other person.
	And I think that's why, I mean, our culture is so self-focused.
	That's like, it's honestly sad.
	Like, I asked someone, like, what is your purpose?
	They're like, I don't know.
	I guess just pleasure.
	And so we're seeing like this in marriages, people are getting divorced because it's all about them.
	And it's not about, and I'm not saying you should stay with someone that's abusive.
	But I do think that this self-focus culture is contributing to a higher divorce rate or just people not even getting married at all because it's all about what they can get out of life and what they can get out of the other person instead of what unconditional love can they show to them.
	And so there's no such thing as unconditional love.
	Just going to say that.
	There's no such thing.
	From God, there is.
	I was about to say, God, don't forget about God.
	Jesus died for the people that killed him.
	On the earthly plane.
	Yeah, and then he sent them straight to hell.
	So I don't know how much I want to be loved.
	He offered them eternal life.
	Wait, so just to bring it back to the original argument.
	So your position was that marriage incentivizes, it makes it harder to get divorced, or it makes it harder to get a divorce.
	I don't support like the, I know that the divorce process isn't that stuff.
	I'm not saying I agree with all of that, but I do like that there are systems in place that discourage you from getting married.
	Or from getting divorced, sorry, not getting married.
	No, but it doesn't really discourage women at all.
	Perhaps the process is more complicated, but if there's a financial incentive.
	Well, I don't think there should be a financial incentive.
	If a woman is a stay-at-home mom, even if she's going to make a little bit of money out of it, I don't think she's going to want to get out of a marriage if it means she's going to have to go to work for the rest of her life.
	do all the time.
	Women get out of women initiate.
	And I think And I think that's bad.
	Like, if a woman is trying to abuse a divorce, that's terrible.
	And we should do more than that.
	But let's say, again, let's say the woman isn't even, she still has amicable feelings towards her soon-to-be divorce ex-husband.
	She's going to get a lawyer.
	Who's going to have issues?
	And not only that, if we're talking about religion, when it comes to divorce, your religion is not going to oversee the divorce.
	The state does.
	Right.
	And again, I'm not saying that it's good that anyone is being taken advantage of, whether it be by the legal system or by the wife.
	Either way, it's bad.
	I just think that there should be something in place to give women financial security so that they can sleep at night in their marriage and not have to worry about their husband waking up in the morning and leaving them and never seeing them again.
	I mean, that's far more rare than women leaving.
	I'm not saying it isn't, but I think that either way, it's wrong either way.
	And that's why marriage is great is because when I'm married, when I get married in July, I can go happily to sleep every night and not have to worry that my husband will just leave me.
	Does your husband have money?
	Yes, I mean.
	Are you signing a prenup?
	No.
	Sign it.
	Get it.
	But also, like, it's not that marriage as an institution or as a culture is the problem.
	If you look at different countries, like, I don't know, like Iran, India, or different countries that do have the same cultural emphasis on marriage and staying in those committed relationships, you see a lot lower divorce rates.
	And I'm not saying that all the relationships that do stay married are perfect.
	I'm just saying that the cultural aspect of social media and the way people are just interacting and what is cool and what is hip or like normalizing divorces, even in TikTok and media, is kind of like the root cause of everything.
	So it's not that.
	So I think that's why I think her and her husband will probably be very successful as a couple because they probably don't really are not influenced by the media or the ways culturally in the 2020s.
	Well, we can check in 20 years and see how it's going.
	I'll come back.
	And we're talking a lot about women's security.
	What about men's security?
	Men are so often ignored in this conversation.
	But, man.
	Don't get married.
	Don't get married.
	What?
	Like, what are your security requirements?
	Like, what is it that...
	Oh, my security is us not getting married.
	If you were going to marry a woman...
	We're not getting...
	That's my security.
	So what are you looking for in a relationship?
	just like bullet points but like that's a totally marriage yeah that's a great dating talk I'm just like, the reason why I'm asking you is, like, because I'm pretty sure whatever you list, like, some of it, you would want some kind of security on it.
	Maybe it's a monogamous intimacy partner.
	And how does marriage guarantee me any of those things?
	i said it doesn't guarantee you can still get divorced but it's kind of like an honor system or like the way it's like honor system It deters you from getting divorced.
	It's not that it guarantees it, but you know, it's just the way people deters men.
	Oh my gosh, I got married.
	You feel more committed into it than somebody else.
	It deters women too.
	Like a lot of women, like outside of the financial reasons, a lot of people don't want to get divorced because they're awkward.
	Like no one wants to be aware of it.
	It's awkward.
	Like stopping a lot of the weddings.
	I'm not necessarily saying we should shame divorced people, but like there is like the pomp and circumstance of having like a wedding and like your family and friends show up really reputation-wise.
	Yeah, it creates a community to support a marriage and it is uplifting.
	That's good.
	Like let's just say you were in a relationship and it was everything you want just not a marriage.
	They aren't open donated $100.99.
	Sorry, also Wooz was my wife.
	My wife, Brian.
	What?
	What?
	That's right.
	Okay.
	Wooz, is that like a song or something?
	I mean, sorry, man.
	I'll take a look at it on my end, but I'm not sure if you're a little bit more.
	Even if you don't get married and stay eyes, if you like found yourself in a committed relationship, would you like want like a fake wedding where like it's not anything?
	Like where you're like, pledging yourself to something.
	It's so expensive.
	How much is that?
	50,000?
	No.
	You can do a cheap wedding.
	What's a cheap wedding to you?
	It's subjective, but I mean, you could do one for like $100.
	You go to Vegas.
	You go to Vegas.
	Yeah, go to Vegas.
	It's not.
	Pretty a fun one.
	Have you bought a few weddings?
	They're amazing.
	They're fun.
	You can come to mine if you want.
	Just kidding.
	Oh, my God.
	He's invited?
	Nah, probably not after all.
	I've been bringing any abortion tools, I promise.
	Wait, there won't be any what?
	There won't be any abortion tools, I promise.
	Oh, thank you.
	Probably.
	I was going to say, I don't know.
	She fucking goes up to the altar.
	The fucking priest.
	She vows her vows.
	And I promise to always pull out abortion tools at the most inopportune times.
	Like during my wedding.
	I bring them everywhere.
	It's actually my wedding.
	Check out this clamp and miniature baby.
	Does anyone think you're like instead of throwing the fucking water?
	I brought him on my speaking tour and I spoke at a podium and I like welded him out and I'm in all and people were like the right one.
	I was going to say instead of like you throwing, what's it called when you throw the bouquet, you throw the little miniature baby.
	Oh my.
	That's terrible.
	But that shouldn't be like that.
	People eat them, so that wouldn't be the worst thing that happened.
	We've had six of those fetal models in this past year.
	And that's the, we've had, yeah, we've had legit people swallow them.
	Sorry, that's the one.
	Oh, so we can have one of those on.
	That's not the right baby.
	That's kind of crazy.
	That's the wrong baby.
	I actually got to do it.
	This is this show.
	So really?
	What?
	The siding.
	I'm kidding.
	The rules.
	All right, Madison, chuck it like a bouquet.
	Oh, what?
	Actually, wait, maybe that's a bad idea.
	Just like do a gentle one so it just falls.
	No, don't throw it.
	Don't throw it to Nick.
	Just make it fall like on the ground behind you.
	Holy fuck, bro.
	That fucking baby came out of nowhere.
	Wait, Gustavo, catch.
	Oh, my God.
	She's a good catch.
	Sweet, dude.
	That's still better than what happens in abortions, though.
	This is why she thinks we're all evil.
	I just want to.
	All right, Maddie, come on.
	I do love All Around.
	Julie, can I have you read these chats?
	Sure.
	Okay.
	There is a reason there is a 50% divorce rate.
	Women become unhappy easily.
	There is a comfort in knowing your partner isn't going to leave is pure nonsense.
	I think there's an incentive for men to stay.
	There's an incentive for women to leave financially.
	But also, you're under the interpretation of women only think about money.
	I didn't say that.
	I mean, if you stay with them, you get all their money.
	So I'm just saying.
	There's a reason that the stats are like 70, 80% are initiated.
	Women typically are, I mean, if they have the security of getting financially taken care of and they're looking for a better option and they find it, then they get the best of both worlds.
	I mean, that's a sad situation for the guy.
	And that's the vast majority of divorces.
	We have to- Do you think a vast majority of divorces are women trying to take advantage of their husbands?
	No, the vast majority initiated by women because they have generally found a better option.
	Like, what do you mean, a better option like that?
	Women are always looking for their best possible mate.
	So, you're saying that all of those women initiated divorces are because they found a better guy?
	Or thought that they could get something better.
	They didn't generally do it because they wanted to be sitting.
	They didn't study?
	Yeah, I mean, that's.
	All these women get, or most of them getting divorces or getting them because they are like, oh, I can find something, find a better guy.
	Why else are they doing it?
	But you think that all of them are from abusive relationships?
	Not abusive, but like dysfunctional relationships.
	What's dysfunctional?
	Like infidelity.
	Or they get bored.
	I'm going to say it's boring.
	They get bored.
	You know, just not exciting.
	Yeah, like fighting, infidelity, anything like that.
	We have a cohort of women here.
	Let's go around the table on this.
	So I think most of none of you married, but you've all been in relationships.
	Perhaps those relationships have ended.
	Just curious on, so two things.
	Here, I'll go around twice actually.
	More often than not, have you ended things with a guy?
	And again, this could be like you've been dating for three years or three weeks.
	I only had one boyfriend and I ended.
	You ended it?
	What about you?
	They ended.
	They ended it?
	How many times?
	That five-year relationship.
	Five-year relationship?
	He ended it?
	Okay.
	Both of mine were mutual.
	Mutual?
	What about you?
	They were just kind of like, I was moving around in different cities, so it was just like, I don't wanna work out, and I don't do long distance.
	Okay.
	I don't know.
	I think I already went, but I ended.
	You ended?
	Yeah.
	Both of them?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	I had one boyfriend prior to Frankie and I ended it.
	What about you?
	My past relationships were barely even relationships.
	They were just disasters of guys giving me attention and thinking that it was love.
	And so I don't even really honestly know who ended it.
	It just like ended up with me sneaking out and sneaking back in and crying.
	And it is bad.
	I had really bad.
	What do you mean sneaking out?
	So I was really sheltered growing up.
	So I, so this is all back in high school because I met my current fiancé in high school.
	Sorry.
	How old am I?
	I'm 21.
	Okay.
	Yeah, I'm young.
	But so I was really sheltered and I had like a bad experience where my parents like caught me dating someone in middle school.
	So I never talked to them about any relationships after that.
	To clarify, I love my parents.
	But I was like terrified of talking to them about relationships.
	And so I hid everything from them.
	And in high school, y'all are going to think this is really weird.
	So I was like sheltered to the point where I wasn't allowed to have, like, they tracked my phone and stuff like that.
	And for Christmas, I opened my stocking and there's a slip that says, you get Snapchat.
	Like, oh my God.
	Oh, my God.
	Yeah, I was that really sheltered girl.
	And I made, I made the, I like thought it was like this innocent app where I could add like anyone I knew and they wouldn't, no guy would ever ask anything terrible of me on there, right?
	And I was just like really naive and thought that if a guy was giving me attention, that it meant that he loved me.
	And so I started talking to these guys in high school and they were pressuring me and oh, you're not losing your virginity.
	You can do this, that, and ended up sneaking me out of my house like from the second story of my house.
	I'm not even kidding.
	In the middle of the night before my parents would know and they would like drive me to their house and like pressure me into, it was bad.
	And like one of them was even like pushing, not abusive, but pushing.
	And it was just really, it was awful.
	And it like every single time I would do it, I would like, it was almost like a mental competition.
	Like, I could make him love me.
	And then I always just ended up feeling more empty.
	And so I would end up like crying, sneaking back into my house.
	And it was awful.
	And luckily, I did meet my fiancé as a friend during that time in a really weird online way and thought nothing would come out of it.
	And it took me giving all that up and rededicating my life to Christ and putting my identity in Christ and not male attention that really changed my life.
	Who broke up with who?
	That's the thing I don't even remember.
	Sorry.
	Sorry, I like really went off.
	Sorry, I gave you my whole live screen, but I don't even know.
	It was more like who the hell?
	He would just like fight and he would just say awful things about me.
	And then three guys?
	Three guys?
	I mean, I talked to a lot of guys.
	There were only like two more serious ones, but again, it was like nothing official.
	So, wait, two more serious ones?
	Yeah.
	Who ended it?
	I don't.
	This was.
	She wanted to say it was you.
	Just say it was you.
	No, it wasn't.
	It really wasn't.
	I think it was more so him.
	It was me, like, just being distraught, like, knowing that it would end, and then him just like never talking to me again.
	It was pretty awful.
	Matt, of the girls you've dated, more often than not, are you ending things or is the girl ending things?
	Usually, meme.
	I'd say, oh, look at this chat over here.
	Look at this fucking legend over here.
	My own experience, more often than not, and I've heard from a lot of men on this, it does seem to be the case that in divorce, but also even in relationships, women more often than not end relationships.
	For the same reasons, probably.
	You always pose your questions, though, every time someone said, oh, I broke up with my ex or whatever, you're like, why he break up with you?
	That's how you always do that.
	Oh, that's just memes.
	That's just funny.
	But it is interesting that women often say that men are scared of commitment, men are commitment phobic.
	But when you finally do get commitment, whether in a long-term relationship or marriage, it occurs to me that generally speaking, women tend to overwhelmingly end these relationships, whether marriage or long-term.
	Let's see, we have a couple chats here we need to get through.
	Julie?
	Wait, did I?
	Julie, can you read this one?
	J-Dog, you got this.
	To mirror what.
	Sorry, how do I say your name?
	Is that on you?
	Nickelodeon.
	Nickelodeon.
	Wait, go, go, go.
	Oh, I thought it was you.
	My bad.
	Okay, to mirror what Nickelodeon said: 98 of the top 100 world's richest women in 2014 got their wealth by divorcing their husbands.
	Only two earned it themselves.
	Oh, I think we've read that one.
	My bad.
	Nick, did you have that pulled up?
	I pulled up something different.
	So I'm going to try and find that one.
	I think there's like some list that's like how the richest people got their wealth, and it compares men and women.
	If you can find it, that's fine.
	Julie, can you read this one?
	The stability of future generations is what men get from marriage, Brian.
	The woman that will be 65 and surrounded by cats will have a counterpart, and that's going to be lonely men in a lost society.
	Again, so let's say societally speaking, we did away with marriage.
	You could have the same exact familial structure: monogamy, staying together for the rest of your life.
	You don't need marriage for that.
	So the stability of future generations has nothing to do with marriage.
	There's more stability in a marriage, though.
	I would argue there's less stability.
	There's more stability for the woman, less stability for the man.
	So it's all about you and the relationship?
	Yes, actually it is.
	Yes, it is all about me.
	This is why society is failing.
	Yeah.
	Because we're all very sensitive.
	We're all just worried about ourselves.
	Everyone.
	Okay, I'm being a little facetious here.
	But this is the truth.
	That's what everybody does.
	Yes, you are looking out for your best interest.
	I'm looking out for myself.
	Yeah, okay.
	I am at least I can stand up and say, yes, I am self-interested.
	You can lie.
	I feel like I am sometimes, but that doesn't mean I have to exclusively be self-interested.
	Like if I'm in an abusive relationship, I'm not going to stay in it to please him.
	Like, I'm going to leave because that's not safe for me.
	But there's a healthy balance of caring for others and putting others before yourself.
	And I think that's a huge value that is lacking in society where we're putting ourselves above others.
	And I don't think that's good.
	I'm just failing to see how the self-interest component has anything to do when it comes to marriage.
	Because your whole argument is that because it's not financially great for you, you're going to refuse to get involved with it, even though it might be better for your wife.
	And I don't necessarily.
	That's right.
	Call me selfish if you want.
	Okay.
	I, yeah.
	People are going to always prioritize themselves.
	That's not.
	Not always.
	That's such a pessimistic look on life.
	Everything you do, even the selfless things are still self-serving.
	I agree when you're not a Christian.
	No, even when you're a Christian, because you've chosen that you want that lifestyle.
	You want to follow Christ.
	That's a desire that you have.
	No, it's selfless because I'm choosing to live my life for God.
	For instance, there are some times where I have thoughts where I want to do things for myself, where I want to go and ultimately what do you want?
	To be a good follower of Christ.
	Right.
	Well, it's not always, it's not always.
	I'm not, being a Christian is not easy.
	Like, there are days when I'm like, wow, everyone is out there partying and I feel like really lame that I would rather be a good Christian.
	Not necessarily because I, not even because my desires are asking that, but because Christ has transformed my heart and to choosing him.
	It's not me.
	When I choose to do something good, it's not me and myself that's choosing it.
	It's God working through me that's allowing me to choose to do good.
	I understand.
	I was raised religious.
	I was Christian most of my life.
	Are you an atheist now?
	Or agnostic?
	Yeah, I would say more agnostic.
	Like I'm sort of on the fence about what is.
	I was trying to gauge earlier because I don't think you even said if you're a pro-life or pro-choice.
	And I was like, is he just playing devil's advocate?
	I do that sometimes.
	I've seen too many things like I don't, I just don't feel like religion in general, it doesn't make enough sense.
	And there are things that change in religion where the Bible is supposed to be like never changing.
	And these new interpretations, like if you see churches in Hollywood.
	Oh, yeah, those are messed up.
	Like I think that everything should be based on the Bible and it sucks that people are lying and saying that.
	But that's religion for the last 2,000 years.
	It's always changed to a different way.
	That might be religion, but that might be the people in the religion, but that's not Christianity itself.
	Like, yes, the church is broken.
	Like, the people in the church are broken, but that doesn't mean that faith is broken.
	I mean, I get you, but there are so many different passages that conflict with one another.
	All right.
	Anyway, Ryan's like, we'll move on.
	We've lingered on the marriage thing for a long time.
	In a sec, I'll just say that me and Matthew here, we're businessmen.
	You know we're businessmen because you find us at our places of business.
	And as a businessman, we don't sign contracts that don't benefit us.
	Therefore, therefore, no marriage for the boys.
	Okay, no marriage for the boys.
	I guess.
	Ever again.
	Okay.
	I don't care either way.
	Me personally, if my partner didn't want marriage, I'd be like, I don't know that I want to get married.
	Go off.
	The only type of thing.
	I don't want you at all.
	I don't want to bother changing my last name.
	That is so nice.
	I absolutely don't have to change my last name.
	I just want to say one thing.
	The only type of woman I would ever get married to, she has to be bipolar, BPD, NPD.
	She's got to be like everything, bro.
	Like an amalgamation of all the just take the Watano donated $100.
	More men have died in war, but more women have destroyed men's hearts.
	Truth. Based. Truth.
	Don't let him hurt you, bro.
	See, I think the thing is, if there's a woman with good morals who believes in making a promise to something higher, then maybe she wouldn't be your life partner if you weren't willing to marry her.
	But here's the thing, right?
	So anybody, man or a woman, but let's say in this example, women always reserve the right to change their mind at any time.
	You could marry her and she has these values and she could switch up.
	A woman reserves the right at any time to become a feminist and divorce SAU.
	SAU?
	SAU?
	Don't worry about it.
	Don't worry.
	I'm just saying.
	You reserve the right at any moment to change up.
	And yeah, you know.
	Okay, let's move on.
	We got a few more pre-show notes here, and I'm going to try to try to rap soon.
	So in like two hours.
	Okay.
	Going back to Kylie here and some of your pre-show notes.
	Oh, gosh.
	Okay.
	Andrew said he would instant divorce if he found out his soon-to-be wife had a past or slept with someone else before.
	But I think once you've bonded with someone, it's less likely.
	That's the same point I made before about like if you met somebody that you really thought could be a great partner, is the woman not and say she was seeing somebody already and then was like, okay, this guy is actually the person that I want to be with.
	She's not necessarily going to tell him right away.
	Oh, you're saying...
	Oh, is this directed towards me?
	Because I've made...
	No, I'm just saying, like, in general.
	Like, women, like...
	Okay, because I've made the statement that if I meet a girl and she's currently sleeping with another guy, I don't care how hot she is.
	I don't care if she's great personality, whatever, 100% a deal breaker for me.
	If when I meet her, she's fucking another dude.
	Correct, yeah.
	So is your position, well, like, hold on, no, actually.
	Like, what if a girl was sleeping with a guy that she thought like she could see herself with, but then all of a sudden you go out on a date with her and she's like head over heels.
	Why is she going on a date with me if she's fucking another dude?
	That's my values, anyways.
	Now I realize that that's how it's how it goes down.
	Yeah.
	People are sleeping with multiple people, dating multiple people.
	But my personal thing is, if you're, you want to date me, one, if we're on the first date and you're fucking another dude, I'm done.
	I'm done.
	I don't want, I don't want anything to do with you.
	If you want a second date with me and say you were preferably you're proper single, you're not fucking in therapy, like dealing with the trauma from your past dude.
	Like you haven't even dated in like recent memory.
	You want a second date, the other dudes have to be a rap if there's even other dudes, preferably not.
	It makes sense.
	I get, I mean, I get, I definitely get that.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	So are you just so phenomenal on your first date that she's like, fuck everyone else?
	No, I don't.
	And here's the crazy thing.
	I don't think you need to be some exceptional individual for this to be your standard.
	Like, I don't think you need to be like, like, this, this titan of whatever it is, you know, whether it's your personality or your status.
	For you to prefer to date a woman that's not currently having sex with other men or even dating other men, I think it's a reasonable standard for anybody to have to want to date someone who's properly single.
	Because I don't want that sort of lingering baggage and like you're a fence sitter and you're not that into me.
	Like me personally, I like girls.
	I don't want her to be a stalker, but I want her to have real, because I've been on both sides.
	Like, I've dated girls who are kind of like, eh, low interest.
	They're probably like dating other dudes, whatever.
	And then I've had girls who are like really fucking like me.
	And it's night and day.
	And I don't want that.
	Did that happen like right away when you first started dating them?
	Or did it develop over some time?
	Sometimes it's developed.
	Yeah.
	But I've had it where it's been pretty quick.
	And it's just, there's no going back.
	Once you've had that level of like treatment and interest from a woman, I don't want to deal with some fence sitter who's like, let me date three other guys while I'm dating you.
	And maybe by the seventh date, maybe like, you know, it's just, I don't want it.
	Like, I'm going to come into your life like a fucking wrecking ball.
	Miley Cyrus shit.
	Miley Cyrus.
	Only eyes for you.
	So you hold yourself to the same standard.
	Yeah, pretty much.
	Yeah, okay.
	Pretty much.
	You're romantic.
	Yeah, that's a romantic guy.
	So if the bachelor reached out and they're like, let's do a shit.
	Actually.
	Or actually can't get married.
	No, I'm just like, I'm just trying to ask a question, like, because your way of dating is basically you want to meet somebody and the persons you're meeting, you don't want them to hide.
	Oh, it's a fucking whirlwind, son.
	I'm in.
	Boom.
	I fucking like you.
	What's up?
	What's that?
	Do you guys know that scene from Glenn Gary Glenn Ross?
	ABC.
	A, always, B, B, C closing.
	Always be closing.
	Always be closing.
	Okay, God, sorry.
	This is like nothing.
	They, of course, nobody here seen that movie.
	Of course, Zoomers don't know Gary Glenn Ross.
	Are we the only people who've seen that movie?
	Boomer shit.
	They're not cool like that.
	Guess not.
	It's fuck or walk.
	Wait, what does he say?
	Not literally fuck, but like, have you made your decision for Christ?
	Yes.
	So she's the only one who answers it.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	It's like a magnet.
	As soon as I start pulling away, actually, that's not that interesting.
	Disagreements.
	Sternum tattoos are the new tramp stamp.
	So just like any sternum tattoo or the ones that look like chandeliers?
	Yeah, so I've said this on the podcast.
	I think Sternham tattoos are the tramp stamp of the 20s or the 10s also.
	That's a pretty good observation.
	It kind of kind of is.
	I've seen a lot of those and I'd never have seen those before.
	Yeah, and they're kind of like sheep.
	They're a bit sheepish.
	Like, I'm not sure.
	I know exactly.
	Like when you say it looks like a chandelier.
	It's like this talloon type of look.
	Oh, he has a triangle.
	There's like little things just like dangling.
	Do you like tattoos at all?
	No.
	So what's your take on the sternum tattoo?
	Because you like tattoos.
	On me, I like tattoos.
	You don't like them on other people?
	I mean, I like minimal.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, minimal.
	Like, I would say, you know, there's a line between artsy and ghetto and cousin type.
	It's tattoos, you know.
	Tattoo, for me, it's not a deal breaker, but it's the scope and scale of it.
	So if she's like super blasted, I'm start.
	But if she's got like a little heart tattoo on her ankle, I'm not tripping.
	if she's got a couple tattoos here and there it's not a hundred percent deal breaker but the more blasted she gets i'm like the chance she got i'm like red flag How many dudes have you fucked?
	That's what I'm thinking.
	Really?
	That's what you're thinking?
	That's what your mind goes to.
	Yes.
	That's what I go through.
	I think that's what his mind goes through no matter what.
	How many dudes does she fuck?
	If her hair is curled?
	Is there a ceiling for you?
	Ceiling?
	Yeah, like an upper line count?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, where if you find out, even if you like her and you find out and you're like, oh, I can't.
	Even if you likes her?
	The lower the better.
	I'll just say that.
	The lower the better.
	What's the max that you find out after you are really invested and like her?
	It's hard.
	I don't have a specific number.
	I've said like double digits before.
	Like, answered the question.
	Like, it's okay.
	I think like over.
	I mean, I'm definitely like, is she really wifey if it's over 10?
	But you don't want to marry, so.
	Well, wifey hasn't like.
	It's just a state of mind.
	State of mind.
	Does her age play into that for you?
	She's 35 and has.
	Yeah, like if she's, you know, like, just as an example.
	No, I can't do it.
	Just do it.
	Like, actually, you know what?
	Like, eight at 18.
	It's a little concerning.
	Like, I raise a bit of an eyebrow.
	I'm curious.
	You know, it's a bit.
	Although I will say, I will say this.
	Catherine, Catherine, thank you for the 20 memberships.
	I will, look, in defense of Madison here.
	In defense of Madison.
	Are you the eight at 18?
	Yes.
	You're like, yeah.
	Her father disowned her.
	Just kidding.
	Just kidding.
	Living in Santa Barbara, college town, party town.
	Maddie can probably attest to this.
	These girls be fucking.
	They do be fucking counting.
	They be fucking.
	Sounds crazy.
	Oh, go ahead.
	The first girl I ever met in Santa Barbara, like, told me her body count right off the bat.
	Same exact age as me, same grade.
	She goes 23.
	That's crazy.
	I'm not going to lie.
	That's like three times as much.
	Oh, whoops.
	I met an 18 or 19-year-old girl.
	I forget exactly.
	100.
	her body count was a hundred was she like a wasn't that on the show No, she wasn't on the show.
	Just this girl I met.
	Is that a lie?
	No, she was 100%.
	She was fucked up.
	Where did you meet this girl?
	If you don't see anything morally wrong with it, and if it's not, like, so thank you.
	Loose pussy energy donated $100.
	Oh, no.
	Maddie's got eight bodies with eight back shotties who's got more bodies than John Gotti's.
	She thinks about it on the dailies and has brought great shame to her families.
	Change your ways, ladies.
	Number 8 at 18.
	They also say that every age I go up, they add one.
	Just one?
	Yeah, I guess.
	I mean, I have a boyfriend.
	At 10?
	Oh, my.
	Joke.
	She's 19 now.
	Look, in her defense.
	I heard some crazy shit.
	I think it's crazy.
	Well, do you, or do you just say that?
	No, no, no.
	I didn't start caring about body count until I met my current boyfriend.
	Because he cares about it?
	He fixed it.
	No, not because he cares about it.
	Because, I don't know, you realize when you love someone, they have eyes.
	I hate that body count.
	Well, they say you have to either be her first or her best.
	And as long as you're one of those, you're okay.
	It doesn't really matter.
	I agree with you.
	But what's your body count?
	This is I don't know.
	You don't know where you don't handle it.
	No, I don't know it.
	It's that many?
	It's a lot.
	I don't know it.
	I don't count.
	But where did you meet this girl, Brian?
	This 18-year-old.
	Tinder.
	18-year-old girl.
	Come on.
	Yeah, on Tinder.
	How did that come up?
	This was like.
	She opened four years ago.
	Did you meet her in person?
	Met her in person?
	Yes, we did.
	Went on a date.
	She seemed cool at first, but she told me about some of her past.
	We didn't hook up.
	We didn't hook up.
	Yeah, she told me.
	Wow.
	We didn't hook up nothing like that, but.
	That is crazy.
	Yeah.
	You can't be looking for a girlfriend on Tinder.
	Wow.
	Yeah, I don't have dating apps anymore.
	Oh, you don't?
	How do you meet girls now?
	They come on your show.
	I'm a man of God.
	I'm a man of God.
	But no, look, okay, with Madison's thing, you know, look, some of these girls be putting up like 20, 30, 40, their first freshman year of college.
	Hopefully not high school.
	Jesus Christ, that's, okay, wait, going back to, okay, sternum tattoos.
	Did you want to fight me on this?
	You got a Sternham tattoo?
	Is that it?
	Oh, is it a chandelier?
	Wait, into the mic.
	It says breathe.
	Wait, don't fucking pop that shit out, bro.
	What the fuck?
	Keep that shit in there.
	Okay.
	It says breathe.
	How many boosters into the scoot into the table?
	Yeah, it says breathe in Sanskrit.
	So it's just like in the sense of it.
	Breathe in your heart.
	That's some yoga shit if I ever fucking heard it.
	Yeah.
	So like, you know, when you're chest and you get anxiety, you can be like, breathe.
	You gotta like look down at your shit.
	Try to remind yourself.
	Wait, is it backwards so when you look in a mirror, you can read it properly?
	It is.
	Who here has a Sternham tattoo?
	I'm just kidding.
	Sorry.
	I thought about it.
	Yeah.
	No tattoos, Julie.
	I've been before like tattoos.
	Not anymore.
	But yeah, to answer Maddie's question, not a deal breaker, but prefer.
	Like, I don't think most guys are like, I'd like her more if she had more tattoos.
	Some guys don't like that.
	Some guys really like tattoos.
	No, some guys, it's true.
	It's a specific niche for sure, but speaking of majority.
	Yeah, I'd agree.
	Majority.
	Generally speaking, probably.
	Like, no guy's like, I wish she had more.
	She'd be hotter with more tattoos.
	You can't say no guys.
	Because I've got a lot of guys.
	Yes, there's guys who have like a fetish or whatever, but I do feel like it gives like it makes a conversation piece too.
	Like it makes you easily like either people look at you longer so then you have more of an interaction with them or they have a reason to come up and talk to you about it.
	If she has tattoos, I'm like demon woman.
	Do you think it looks like dirty or like it's like what do you think of it?
	Like do you think it looks like dirty or I want to get a World of Warcraft tattoo.
	Like very small.
	What about that?
	It means you fucked a lot of guys, Kirby.
	Yeah, clearly.
	Clearly.
	I feel like it'd be kind of trashy to get a woman.
	No, no, no, but that's the thing.
	It depends on what it is.
	What's the question, Madison?
	Ignored.
	Like what, what, what do you think about it?
	Like, do you think it looks dirty or just like not super modest of a woman to get a bunch of tattoos or even like very minimal tattoos?
	I wonder why.
	Like, what's the aesthetic thing?
	But other people, some people get tattoos because it's like can be an indicator.
	Not always, but it can be an indicator of trauma.
	Like, I always thought tattoos were cool.
	My dad is tatted from like neck down.
	So I always thought it was just like a cool thing.
	And my sisters and I, we always grew up like thinking tattoos were super cool.
	Did you mom have tattoos?
	No, none.
	Do you have brothers?
	No.
	But also tattoos are permanent.
	I don't know.
	Like, if I love a bag or a jacket that I wear like a long time, but some point I'm like, okay.
	I mean, there's ladies, man.
	I don't know.
	Do you ever look at your tattoos like, wow, I'm kind of tired of it.
	Men are attracted to you don't want to put a bumper sticker on a Bentley.
	Exactly, Madison.
	Exactly.
	That's what Kim Kardashian said.
	That was.
	Didn't she also get a lip tattoo, though?
	Like, no, that's definitely nothing.
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	Wait, okay.
	Your other disagreement, past drug use is a deal-breaker.
	Yeah, so I definitely was doing drugs when I was dating, when I was around my ex, partying with people, doing college.
	And I think that people can definitely change.
	So I found yoga and completely changed my lifestyle and my habits and the places that I put myself in.
	And I think that everybody is like, should be given a second chance to start over, to not be judged by maybe a mistake or a situation that happened to them.
	Well, okay.
	So this, I always get confused by this term judge.
	So what if I, for example, you used to do heroin.
	What's that?
	Oh, you're telling us what you did?
	No, no, no.
	I was saying like for you, it's your preference, right?
	But like, I, because I feel like we, a lot of times when people bring up the judgment thing, you would also agree that people are free to have their preferences.
	I agree.
	So I personally think that drug use, past or present, is a deal breaker.
	Is that a judgment?
	I would not date somebody without saying anything about who they are or they're a terrible person.
	Let's say I don't say they're a terrible person.
	I just say I would not date somebody who, past or present, was addicted to drugs, for example.
	Like, is that a judgment or something?
	Didn't really, like, you wouldn't look, you would say for sure that would never happen.
	I mean, there's perhaps, it could be some outlier scenario where she's like amazing and maybe it's possible, but I'm leaning very much towards if you were previously addicted to heroin, yes, I would not date you.
	So I think it's just something that a lot of people all over the country have dealt with or been around.
	I'm not arguing about that.
	And terrible things.
	I wouldn't date them.
	And that's your priority.
	Yeah, sub-optimal.
	Exactly.
	Sub-optimal dating choice.
	I agree.
	I think that's fine for you.
	I just don't.
	I don't think that.
	I don't think we should preclude them from date, like as partners.
	They should still be allowed to date.
	Of course.
	But I think it's a sub-optimal dating choice.
	And I advise men not to date those women.
	And I personally, in my own dating life, would choose not to date those women.
	Would you also advise women to the same thing?
	To not.
	Sure.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	I would, yeah.
	You've done it before.
	Last time we were on it, you said the same thing.
	Don't date a drug addict.
	Yeah.
	It's not like this double standard thing where it's like, well, men, you need to have really high standards for women and women, you just need to accept all of these conditions in men.
	No.
	Don't, I don't have a double standard on it.
	But what, like, so what's, I guess what's your argument here?
	My argument is that I disagree that it should be a qualifier for somebody if they have had something like that in their past that they can't be a changed person and it still be like that it would still haunt your that it would still haunt your relationship and you would have to worry about it.
	Okay, so if presented with the option two exact same people but they both physically attractive in the same way, but one was previously addicted to heroin and the other wasn't, it occurs to me that if I have the option, I would certainly pick the one who wasn't addicted to heroin.
	Well, yeah, obviously.
	Well, but so you say obviously, but it doesn't seem like it's that obvious.
	Well, it's like it's a feelings versus an analytical thing, right?
	Like how we feel about something versus your basic facts of saying, well, if you date somebody who used to be a drug addict, obviously they're going to be more of a liability or whatever you're doing.
	There could be health persisting despite them totally turning a new leaf.
	Let's even say that they would never use drugs again.
	There could be some negative health consequences.
	Yeah.
	I agree.
	Certain drugs like permanently change your body or like that.
	Oh, sorry.
	I said like certain drugs like oh certain drugs like permanently change your body or your brain so even if you like stop doing them you're kind of like damaged.
	Fear of relapse is very real as well.
	Yeah.
	That's that too, but I'm just like also you know yeah.
	Oh, because like that would affect me the most even if they're completely recovered and everything else.
	It's just the constant fear of their acting strange.
	I'm like back of my head, maybe have they relapsed.
	Yeah trust yeah, trust.
	Very similar conversation.
	Uh, that we were what was your name?
	Kylie, and you Nika Nika it's like the conversation we were having with Nika as well.
	So did you?
	Did you say that you used to do drugs?
	I did right.
	So like that thing that resonates with you because that's like a personal thing.
	And then you're like, why is it negative?
	And then you, you know what I mean and it's like, and I understand, I understand why it's a negative.
	But it's also one of those things that so many people experience that they don't want to feel like they're, like she felt right, like bipolar if you have bipolar like oh, there's no options out.
	There's no options out there for you.
	You're not gonna find somebody who loves you or that understands the situations or life path that you've had.
	I don't know if women date like this, but I feel like, and Brian, if you do, you date like this as well, like you're you mentioned, like something Suboptimal.
	We're looking at things very like logically.
	Like these are the best chances at having a successful mate, right?
	And so you disqualify certain things based on data.
	Basically, that's all it is.
	And the funny thing is, is that women enjoy a far greater level of sexual selectivity as compared to men.
	Women have far greater, I would argue, sexual optionality.
	But also, I would even argue that women have dating on easy mode as compared to men.
	So you have far more optionality.
	Women are typically fairly well known for being very selective when it comes to who they date.
	You'll select based on personality.
	You'll select based on his ability to provide based on personality traits.
	So I think it's almost because women are the sexual selectors, it's almost shocking for a lot of women to hear men actually articulate preferences, standards, and boundaries.
	Because I would argue probably most of your dynamics with men, you guys are all being the sexual selectors, right?
	Like the guys are chasing after you.
	So it's weird for you to hear a guy like article, because most men are trying to get at you and they'll do anything for the pussy.
	Pussy out there.
	Anything for the pussy, right?
	And so it's weird.
	And guys will like, you could tell a guy, I used to be a drug addict, and guys are so pressed for pussy, they're going to be like, it's okay, babe.
	That's cool.
	I'm a social experiment.
	I'm going to try that.
	They won't like actually tell you that actually might be an issue long term.
	But I do think because women fall into the being the sexual selectors, when you do hear a guy say, actually, no, I'm disqualifying you because of XYZ.
	It's a bit like shocking.
	Because most men just like you, women pick amongst, women are the rejectors typically.
	Men will approach you.
	You pick from the best of them.
	They've already kind of pre-picked you and then you get to pick from them.
	And then you turn, oh, this guy's short.
	This guy's got a fucking toupee.
	But how does that argument work with?
	This guy's a left-leaning Twitch streamer.
	What we were saying.
	I'm fucking down.
	What we were saying earlier about, like, a lot of times there are people who like dating like people they can fix or whatever.
	Like, so how does that argue still?
	You should see a therapist for that shit.
	There's a lot of people who like to date women.
	Well, on the guy's side, we say Captain Sevajo.
	And on the women's side, you're like, you're a fixer.
	I can fix him.
	You can fix him.
	And I think that it's just a challenge.
	I've never heard of Captain Sabahog.
	I have Captain Savajo.
	I have a question for you.
	Wait, okay.
	You had a history of drug use, correct?
	Drug addiction?
	Yeah, with the expression.
	May I ask what the drug was?
	so painkillers and it was kind of a trigger of when he would go into his manic episodes and like opiates Yeah.
	Okay.
	And that was like my trigger.
	So when I felt sad and like he didn't love me and he was like angry with me or whatever, I wanted to feel like warm and safe.
	And because he had supply to that, that's what I turned to, right?
	Okay.
	So I have a question for you.
	How tall are you?
	Five, eight.
	Five, eight?
	Five eight.
	Would you date a guy who's shorter than you?
	I have.
	They both, both of the guys that I did the longest were shorter than me.
	I just got bamboozled.
	All right.
	Unfortunately, my argument on this one is not going to.
	Hmm.
	Really?
	How tall were they?
	I mean, my grandma.
	Like the one I was with the longest was probably a half inch shorter than me.
	And then the second guy I dated after him was probably two or three inches shorter.
	She got me.
	She got me, boys.
	Do you think all women only date taller men?
	Because I would be fine dating a shorter man.
	I just don't think they were like sexual.
	How to boyfriend?
	He's like 5'11.
	I'll tell you.
	5'2?
	That's the thing.
	I'm not gonna find a guy that's shorter than me, probably.
	Well, but that's not even an option out there.
	I'm not saying, like, I'm not saying all women, like some women will date men who are short or even shorter than them.
	But I mean, do you disagree that generally speaking, are attracted to tall men?
	But like, I feel like also women are more prone to value personality more than like physical.
	I'm crazy.
	I actually kind of disagree on that one.
	Really?
	More so than men at least.
	Like, I feel like women value personality more than men.
	Really?
	I don't know about that.
	Because it could be a little bit shorter, like 5'8, but you have this confidence and Uza energy versus somebody who's like 6'1 and is like shy and just not.
	I actually think women are way picky, are much more pickier physically than men are.
	And they have far more rigid standards when it comes to body types and physical characteristics.
	Yes, absolutely.
	And the things that women do care about typically tend to be entirely out of men's control.
	So for example, height, out of man's control.
	Balding, 100% out of a man's control.
	Penis size, 100%.
	I don't know why I pointed it out.
	Whoa!
	100%.
	Take it easy, little moles.
	100 peen size, 100% out of man's control.
	Whereas for men, it's like weight.
	Just don't be fat is basically it for men.
	That's not true.
	There's more to it than just fat.
	Okay, fine.
	That's your preference.
	What do you mean?
	You're saying like, dudes, just be.
	No, I'm just saying like men.
	Like a bunch of fat chicks.
	Is that what that means?
	No, I'm just saying like men probably have like that way too loud.
	You got excited there.
	Whoa, what the fuck?
	What's the hashtag?
	Like the bigger the labia, the bigger the BMI.
	So how does your nonprofit work, by the way?
	Like, like, just curious.
	What do you mean?
	Big labia matter?
	It's like a grass.
	It's just like an advocacy group.
	Like, you know.
	That's really nice.
	Yeah, I'm a nice guy.
	So like, how do I tell you?
	Do you reach out to people who like Streamlabs.com?
	They're not happy with their labia or how does that work?
	It's like, I mean, I do think, okay, it's like the thing is kind of a joke.
	But I actually am in favor of Big Labia.
	I'm a fan.
	What's that?
	Okay.
	That's real?
	You're actually.
	Dude, I like Big Labia.
	The bigger the better.
	I want to meet a girl who's like Guinness World Record.
	Labia.
	Labia.
	Why?
	Just for curiosity.
	Like, you know how there's like the biggest dick?
	Like, where's the biggest labia?
	I'm trying to find her, bro.
	Is she the one for you?
	I like it.
	If you're a bigger dick guy, I will marry the woman with the biggest labia.
	I'll get married under the truth bomb donated $100 they'll take on the past drug use I was an addict earlier in my life and completely turned it around own several business and have an eight figure net worth Life happens.
	Well, look, again, I have compassion for people that previously struggled if it's mental illness or currently struggling even, mental illness or drug use.
	But again, like I, for me, that would be because I don't do drugs.
	Barely even drink.
	I'll drink maybe two or three times a year.
	I'll have one glass of wine.
	That's the extent of it.
	Don't drink, don't do drugs, don't smoke.
	So this is like a values thing, but I also do think that somebody who's, for example, addricted, addricted, addicted to meth, I mean, I don't know.
	I think I'm going to pass.
	It's the argument, too, of like even the body count.
	To you, it's suboptimal.
	Suboptimal.
	I'm not saying, like, okay.
	You could date a recovering drug addict, but it's or a recovery drug addict.
	How big's her labia?
	Here's the thing you have to understand about me.
	I'm very forgiving if the labia is like massive.
	This is crazy.
	She got a super high body count.
	Like, how does that?
	And that's why the labia is.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Whoa, whoa.
	Going on.
	I don't know what it works like.
	Body count's a pretty big.
	She got a big labia though.
	The biggest labia.
	She's got a big labia.
	She's like contemplating.
	I still have values, but wait, how did we get onto the fucking big labia thing?
	What the fuck?
	She was asking about how does your non-profit.
	Like, I didn't know how.
	Oh, no, but look, I do, like, I know we're kind of like having to laugh about it.
	Just really quick on that.
	I do think it's unfortunate if women get shamed for their genitalia, much in the same way that I think we shouldn't shame men for, you know, if they have small penis.
	What's your take on micros?
	What's your take on micros?
	It's like a crazy question.
	I thought I had an ally in you when it comes to the anti-genitalia shame.
	What's my thought on that?
	I don't know.
	You should ask your ex-boyfriend.
	Oh.
	Got him.
	Just kidding.
	I'm kidding.
	Your ex-boyfriend, no idea who he is, but I'm sure he's sure is hung like a mongoose.
	No dig.
	Like a mongoose.
	Wait, that would not be a big dick, though.
	I don't know.
	Such an insane question.
	It's ridiculous, bro.
	It just came to mind when we were talking about genitalia.
	What do you think?
	You got micro penises on your mind.
	Because genitalia shouldn't be shamed.
	So I was like, okay, what's your take on micros?
	The truth bomb.
	I got some mad respects for you, truth bomb, but just from a dating perspective, me personally and my advice, I would not date a woman.
	It was like shooting up heroin.
	You wouldn't date a woman.
	That's why I'm dead.
	Period.
	I'm a homosexual.
	He came out just now.
	I would not date.
	I would not date a woman.
	Clipped.
	Yeah.
	What the fuck?
	End the statement.
	I would not.
	I was doing like a pause.
	It is a long pause.
	For theatrical effect.
	I would not date a woman who was like shooting up heroin like behind the fucking in the 7-Eleven backlot.
	Okay, fair.
	In her fucking fucked up Mazda Miata.
	Seems normal.
	Okay, okay, let's move on.
	Moving on.
	Moving on.
	Okay.
	Last thing here.
	Oh, wait.
	Disagreement.
	Body count and its implications.
	Body count matters, period.
	Oh, is that your position?
	Body count does matter or doesn't.
	I mean, it's again a personal preference.
	But if you're with somebody who understands you as a person, you can.
	Well, yeah, you said I think a man that is kind and understanding will get your life path.
	Yeah, like if you have a connection with somebody, they'll kind of like, you'll be able to talk about these things.
	You'll have a friendship, right?
	So are you, if as a guy you disqualify a woman because of her body count, you're not kind and understanding?
	I'm not a guy.
	As a guy.
	No, I'm.
	No, that's not what I mean.
	I'm saying, I'm saying you said that a man that is kind and understanding will get your life path.
	I mean, they're not necessarily like not going to be, like, yeah.
	But let's say, okay, let's say a guy that's understanding is more likely to be kind.
	Would it be unkind and ununderstanding to not want to date a woman who fucked like Andrew dudes?
	That would be fair.
	It'd be fair.
	Fair.
	But if...
	Okay.
	I feel like he would be a guy that's willing to hear somebody like that out is probably a more kind.
	Hear her out?
	My dear, you just fucked 10 guys last week.
	Not you.
	I know.
	Hear me out.
	He's a nicer guy that's going to sit there and like.
	Hear me out, though.
	I just got gang bang.
	I was going through something that week, okay?
	Anybody.
	I just, it's a preference, like you said.
	The body count thing.
	Would you date a guy who's a virgin?
	Yeah, I don't really think it matters that.
	You'd want to teach a guy how to fuck you?
	Well, no, no.
	I probably teach him.
	That's what you'd have to do, right?
	But then that creates the whole thing.
	No, not that whole thing.
	It creates a weird power.
	That's how it does.
	I'm not going to be a little bit immersion.
	I'm just saying.
	Wait, what?
	I said, if you're teaching him, it creates a weird power dynamic.
	So then it's not really going to be a functional relationship, I feel like.
	You can't be the dominant one, like a woman can't be a dominant one.
	I mean, absolutely, you can, but.
	Pump the brakes there.
	Well, she's like, it's not a functional relationship.
	Oh, no, no.
	She says.
	Have you ever pegged a dude?
	No, of course.
	I said you have.
	Please stop lying.
	Why?
	Fucking lying.
	Why do you think that?
	Because of my general energy of a person?
	Like, you think I've pegged people?
	She only pegs.
	Like, I get a vibe.
	I get a vibe from you that you're a pegger.
	That is the craziest sentence.
	Just admit it.
	I've never pegged you.
	Say it.
	Never even asked me.
	Say it into this camera.
	I peg men.
	I'm fine with you.
	What you guys want to do in your free time, but to me, that's not attractive to me.
	That's not attractive?
	No, I'm so sorry.
	I'm so sorry, my kings who want me to peg them.
	That's not my thing.
	That's not my.
	He's 10-10.
	Okay.
	He's 10 out of 10.
	He has an AR-15.
	Okay.
	He's hung.
	Okay.
	He's hung.
	Super dope, cool guy.
	He just wants me to peg him.
	But you got to peg him.
	Do you do it?
	Like, do I have to continually do it too?
	Like, is that like, is it a one-time thing?
	We get over it.
	Like, we forget about it?
	Pump chunk.
	I get real drunk one night and like try it one time or is it Valentine's Day?
	Okay.
	Anniversary.
	Okay.
	February 29th.
	It's really close to Valentine's.
	That's a lot.
	I need time to recover.
	Julie, is there something you want to tell us about your relationship?
	Definitely not.
	The whisper.
	Definitely not.
	All right.
	We have a super chat.
	Design darts.
	Should humans be aborted based on suboptimal characteristics.
	Oh my God.
	This is.
	Crazy.
	What is this?
	Is that eugenics, basically?
	Yes.
	Are we going to go around here?
	Or you want my thoughts on that?
	She's probably the most opinionated.
	I would be curious to know, actually, if any of you think this is okay.
	Like, obviously, like, we, in places like ISLAN, they've almost eradicated Down syndrome completely because they've just aborted every single baby with Down syndrome.
	Like, do you think that's okay?
	You can know.
	That's in the thought experiment, right there.
	That's interesting.
	I still think the parents who have the child with Down syndrome love them.
	Like, all the time.
	What do you mean?
	That's why, like, if you're planning to have a child either way, I think, like, you think it's loving to abort them?
	No, no, no.
	No, I didn't say that.
	I meant like, if you're planning to have a child, you find out they have Down syndrome, like, I think have the child.
	You're going to love your child either way.
	Would you be supportive of the law that was written to ban abortion in cases of Down syndrome and stuff like that?
	Again, it's everyone's personal.
	But you're pro-choice, right?
	Yeah, so it's everyone's personal.
	So, does the choice matter if it's because I don't want to or because it has like Down syndrome?
	Or if it's a boy?
	Can you just abort until you get a girl?
	That's crazy.
	I mean, is it really?
	Yeah, I think it's a good idea.
	It's legal.
	I'm just curious.
	Like, you know, if you're a pro-choice person, are there lines where?
	Yeah, I mean, if it's not, like, if it's not murder, for instance, can you just keep aborting until you get the gender that you want?
	I don't.
	To me, I don't care.
	Who else is pro-choice?
	Me.
	What about you?
	Do you think that's?
	I'll never know if someone's doing that, so I do not care.
	No, but in this hypothetical, like, does that matter?
	I mean, I would say that it's wrong.
	You probably shouldn't be doing that.
	But again, like, you don't care when other people do things that are wrong to other people.
	Like, if someone is over there seeing their kid, can you anybody who's inclined to get a sternum tattoo should be aborted?
	I'm kidding.
	I'm kidding.
	Sorry.
	I'm sorry.
	I was derailed.
	Oh, no, you're asking about Down syndrome and shit.
	I'm just thinking, like, what about.
	Okay, what about for the feminists?
	In China, I think they still do.
	Yeah, they still do.
	I have a question for you.
	Wait, wait, wait.
	Hold on, hold on.
	Would you be in favor of okay?
	This is whoa, this is like some like crazy shit here.
	Would you be in favor of aborting people who would be inclined, who would be pro-choice, and within a generation, it would just be pro-life people, and then there would not be any more abortion.
	No.
	That's kind of based, right?
	I still value everyone's pro-choice.
	What about aborting Hitler?
	Wait, let me cook.
	Let me cook.
	Would you abort Hitler?
	Wait, what the fuck?
	Abort Maddie.
	What about me?
	Would you abort me?
	Would.
	What about Democrats?
	Would you be down to abort Democrats?
	Be honest.
	Okay, no.
	And I think that's why the pro-life movement is so important, that we value every life, regardless of your disability, your political party, or whatever you overall.
	Would you abort?
	I just said no, I would not.
	Hold on, just one more question.
	Would you abort guys with toxic dating podcasts?
	That's like asking me what I kill you now.
	It's the same thing either way.
	You're still killing me.
	I have a really good hypothetical.
	Let's just say in this imaginary world, we know before Fetus is born, what are they going to be like, I don't know, some bad person like Hitler or like somebody that's going to do more harm in society than good.
	For some reason, we have that system.
	Would you be okay with aborting those people that are not porn yet, but for guarantee we know they're going to cause more harm than good in society?
	Well, they're innocent in the time while they're in the womb.
	So I would say that committing a wrong doesn't make a right.
	Are you pro-death penalty?
	No, I'm not actually.
	Okay.
	I'm not.
	But I think that there are pro-lifers that are pro-death penalty.
	And there's a huge difference between ending an innocent human life and ending the lives of terrible people.
	Would you?
	Yeah, I'm not going to get in there.
	No, do it.
	I'm ready.
	Keep cooking.
	Keep cooking.
	And I asked a question I wanted to ask earlier about the new laws that they're doing in Kentucky where, so when you do in vitro and they implant like basically eggs, right?
	So, yeah, so multiple, sometimes multiple of them attach, and then like either you end up with octomom or they get rid of a few.
	Selective reduction, yeah.
	Correct.
	And I feel like the new law prohibits that from happening.
	So Julie, can you read this one?
	Thank you.
	I'm just a guy.
	What do I know?
	Some people want to take their own lives due to their depression and state of life.
	If my body, my choice is an acceptable argument for abortion, is it an acceptable argument for she's in Canada?
	This is a great topic for her.
	We've made.
	You can do that if you want to.
	I don't think you can use your body to commit harm.
	It's the big thing.
	Like, you can't use your body to harm a pre-born child.
	My body is forceps.
	Exactly.
	Wait, what?
	What are you saying?
	I just making a joke.
	I was waiting to joke.
	Okay, okay.
	But that's really insensitive of you to joke about.
	This is a very serious subject matter, Julie.
	I'm okay.
	Can you display a bit of decorum?
	But as I was saying, you can't use your body to commit harm, whether that be to a baby in the womb, to a teenager or to yourself.
	So that's what I would say.
	Does anyone disagree?
	Actually, wasn't there something where there was somebody in Canada seeking like medical treatment for their cancer?
	I forgot the exact details.
	Maybe somebody in the chat can help me.
	And like, I think this was Canada.
	They were like, well, here's some resources on deleting yourself.
	So it was actually a veteran, I think, if that's the correct story.
	It was like a veteran who was just seeking help.
	And they were like, well, you could just delete yourself.
	That'd be cool.
	It's medical assistance or death.
	If you like have cancer and you know you're going to die in like six months and you're suffering, you can elect to.
	I see it all over.
	It's all over TikTok.
	So perhaps that's a good argument against the euthanasia.
	So would y'all agree with that, by the way?
	Since you support My Body, My Choice, are all of you pro-suicide?
	Because I've met people that are pro-suicide.
	Don't say that.
	No, you can't say that.
	I'm not doing that.
	It's all good.
	It's all good.
	Say it like that.
	Wait.
	I think you guys answered it, though.
	Is this an acceptable argument for self-deleting?
	What is an acceptable argument?
	Wait, okay.
	Wait, let's move on.
	Okay.
	I think so, but never.
	So we've hit a lot of topics tonight.
	I'm trying to think if there's anything else.
	Oh, we had a couple things to react to really quick.
	Oh, fuck.
	Maybe I'll save it for the Tuesday show.
	I'm going to save it.
	Wait.
	Actually, Nick, could you pull up that Reddit thread about the 180K versus 40K?
	That'll be the last thing, and I'll save the Nala thing for...
	Ah, fuck it.
	I'll pull it up.
	But I'll pull it up next stream, too.
	We saved her, bro.
	We fucking did it, boys.
	It's pretty crazy.
	Gotta say.
	Yeah.
	I make $180K.
	My girlfriend makes $40K.
	How should we split our 3K rent?
	What do you guys think?
	I say half and a half.
	Half and a half.
	Unless they're more willing to spend more.
	Like, that's fine.
	Well, what's the status of the relationship?
	Are they just together and married?
	Like, how, like.
	Okay, but so a lot of people are saying the guy should just pay for the whole thing.
	Some people are saying, well, it should be somewhat proportionate.
	An easier way to look at it is he makes 200K, she makes 50K.
	So you can make the argument that, what, she pays a fourth of the rent and he pays the other third because math.
	I don't think that's like you're like that.
	I don't get the argument.
	It's just like we can bring up the example of divorces on this.
	What if they break up like and you're stuck in a lease contract for like a year or whatever?
	Yeah.
	But do you think what do you think?
	Should the guy just pay for the whole rent in that situation or it should be split somehow?
	Probably split somehow, but like, I mean, obviously she couldn't afford that on her own.
	So if he wanted it to be 50-50, why don't you just get a cheaper place?
	Malia, your thoughts?
	I think I'm going to go one-fourth, though.
	One-fourth.
	Okay.
	He should pay for it.
	Okay.
	The whole thing?
	Okay.
	What about you?
	What do you think?
	I mean, it depends.
	Maybe half and half unless somebody's utilizing the space more.
	Like, if he makes more money because he works from home, then maybe he should pay more.
	Like, if it's more of his space.
	Let's assume it's just a one-bedroom apartment.
	Okay.
	And they're just shooting.
	Living room, kitchen.
	Happy together.
	Yeah.
	I think maybe they split it and then maybe he pays for groceries since he makes more money or like makes up that way.
	Madison, what about you?
	I agree with like the one-fourth thing.
	I mean, obviously I would like for the raid to pay, but 40K is not that much, especially if you're going to pay $1,500 for rent a month.
	You don't have any money after that, basically.
	What about you?
	This is why you shouldn't live with people until you're married, because then you have to worry about splitting your money when you could just have combined bank accounts and not have to worry about splitting anything.
	So that's my hot take.
	Just your thoughts on this?
	Guy pays the whole thing.
	Guy pays the whole thing.
	Because it's the dope move.
	It's the dope.
	But the rational way to split it would be based on income.
	Right.
	And you could also make the argument, right?
	She needs housing.
	Let's say she was living alone.
	She needs housing anyways.
	So she would be paying rent.
	She wouldn't pay the full price.
	Is that what you're saying?
	Like, she would be paying rent otherwise.
	So for fairness' sake, you know?
	$180K, though.
	That's plenty to not make her pay rent.
	Just make her pay it all.
	She'll be happier.
	That's true.
	Yes.
	What'd you say?
	Make her pay it all.
	Yes.
	She has to simp.
	Exactly.
	She pays the whole thing.
	And cook.
	And cook.
	Well, yeah.
	And if he paid all the rent, then she could pay for the groceries and cook for him.
	That is an option.
	Yeah, that's an argument.
	I agree with that.
	Any other disagreements from anybody on anything?
	Anyone want to argue for like another 10 minutes or argue for you?
	Why were you guys so late?
	I'm sure.
	Rude.
	That's a good topic.
	You should expect that from a woman.
	Damn, that's so sexist, Madison.
	Do you have internalized misogyny?
	Yeah.
	Yep.
	I love your honesty.
	Nick, can you pull up the Nala clip?
	I think I tweeted it.
	Guys, you should follow me on Twitter.
	I've been posting some dope fucking clips on Twitter.
	Maybe could you make it smaller?
	Oh, do video tab two on this?
	Make us a little smaller.
	Right, Seth?
	Yeah, that's fine.
	So, guys, I don't know if you know Nala.
	She's been on the show.
	Play that first one, the big one.
	Wait, your biggest fantasy is...
	Not even my biggest...
	It's like one of the things.
	That's not on the whatever podcast.
	We did it, boys.
	We fucking did it.
	We saved one OnlyFans girl, one porn star.
	It was because, obviously, totally because of the whatever podcast.
	I'm taking full credit.
	I'm taking full credit for this W.
	And so she apparently, allegedly, stopped doing OnlyFans.
	She's deleting her OOF account.
	And I'm taking full credit for that personally.
	Now, Julie, let's talk a bit about you.
	Okay.
	Listen, what would it take for you to stop doing OnlyFans?
	And what can the whatever podcast do?
	Probably a job that requires the same amount of work with the same amount of pay.
	Yo.
	How much is the pay?
	Madison is going on vacation for three show days.
	You want to be helmet girl for like three shows?
	I'm going to be back in Canada tomorrow.
	Oh, you're leaving.
	Oh, shit.
	That was so good, though.
	That would have been good.
	You would have been great at it.
	You've been great, but sad, sad times.
	Okay.
	Well, back to OnlyFans.
	Yeah.
	What do you get paid for?
	I get paid enough to pay my rent and put myself through school.
	How many hours a week do you work?
	Not that much.
	Like, not that much.
	I'm going to probably put in more time.
	Do you plan on doing this for the rest of your life?
	No, I want to finish my degree and then try to find a standing job.
	Dude, she's going to make so much bank, like doing Granny OF.
	I'm so excited.
	They should say that.
	There's an audience.
	There's an audience for everything.
	People love girls.
	They love them.
	And your boyfriend doesn't care?
	No, he didn't care.
	Does he subscribe?
	No, I hope so.
	He's not supportive of your career?
	I've never asked him.
	He's not supportive of your career.
	What do you mean?
	I'm just saying, I follow my girls' businesses on Instagram and stuff.
	Oh, well, if you want, I mean, I don't care.
	Do you send them the images and ask, are these good pictures today?
	No, I'm not.
	That's like cuckery.
	I cuck them.
	That's crazy.
	I just didn't know.
	It's just a cuckery.
	Do you find joy in what you do?
	Or do you ever have a memory like, what am I doing?
	Sometimes.
	I mean, sometimes I'm like, this is great.
	Like, I can get my bills paid easy.
	And sometimes I'm like, damn.
	Would you like to be OnlyFans?
	No, I wouldn't give a shit.
	For like gay dudes?
	That's fine.
	That wouldn't bother you?
	I mean, I don't do like boy girl content, so.
	No, but I mean, you're talking to guys, I'm assuming, right?
	Not really, like, not that way.
	Oh, you just post?
	You don't talk to them in the messages.
	Not really.
	That's where most of the money is made.
	I know.
	I'm losing everyone so much money, but I just don't like it.
	Yeah.
	It gets a little personal.
	I feel like it gets a little personal.
	Especially while you're in a relationship.
	I feel like that's too movement for me.
	Okay.
	Last thing, guys.
	We're going to react to a tweet I saw yesterday, which I responded to Twitter/slash whatever.
	Put this on the other side.
	Corner.
	Oh, that works.
	So this woman said, the truth is, men don't want a soft, feminine, quiet woman.
	They want a bold, competent, dominant woman who will be feminine and submissive for him.
	Just like how women want the bad boy trope to be good for her.
	And scroll down.
	And she also said, oh, fuck.
	God damn it.
	Wait, that's not your fault, Nick.
	Just she had like a sub-tweet.
	Reply to her.
	Wait, scroll down, find her response tweet, and then pull that up.
	I think it should be below mine.
	Did she respond to the tweet?
	I just see like comments.
	Is this on?
	Ah, okay.
	It's fine.
	But basically, she just said, like, beta males disagree, alpha males agree.
	You got it?
	Oh, yeah.
	She says, men who agree, alpha masculine chads, men who disagree, beta, incel, internet, anons.
	So wait, scroll back up to the very top again.
	I'll have Julie read it one more time.
	Every time.
	I should have had Julie.
	So Julie, just read her tweet.
	The truth is, men don't want a soft, feminine, quiet woman.
	They want a bold, competent, dominant woman who will be feminine and submissive for him.
	Just like how women want the bad boy trope to be good for her.
	So do you guys agree or disagree with this?
	I don't like bad boys.
	We'll start with you.
	We'll go around.
	No, I don't agree.
	That's a crazy tweet.
	I think everything's preferences, like we've said the whole podcast.
	I don't like bad boys, so no.
	She said alpha men agree, beta men disagree, but like then that means that the men still like the soft women and the hey, I don't get her point.
	I agree.
	Agree?
	Yeah.
	I don't necessarily agree.
	Disagree.
	Depends on the relationship, I guess.
	Well, I responded to her tweet, and you guys can see if this makes you think of anything.
	So I'm just reversing basically what she said.
	The truth is, women don't want a strong, masculine, bold man.
	They want a soft, feminine, submissive man who will be masculine and dominant for her.
	Would you guys, do you guys agree with that?
	I just like that every tweet.
	I mean, it's a nice reply back also.
	Like, at least for me, the way I read the original tweet is that like, you know, yes, the men is men in a relationship, especially like a high-volume men is supposed to be the one that's the leader or like the bold, the confident, and the woman is a submissive one.
	But also, what makes relationships interesting is seeing men being vulnerable at times.
	And I think it's the balance of that dynamic that she's maybe talking about, but maybe reading.
	Well, here, pull up her tweet again, Nick.
	I don't think that's really what she's getting at.
	She says, the truth is men don't want a soft, feminine, quiet woman.
	So this doesn't really have anything to do with being vulnerable in front of a woman.
	They want a bold, competent, dominant, dominant woman who will be feminine and submissive for him.
	And I think that's just ridiculous.
	So basically a confident woman who's submissive for him.
	Yeah.
	Well, I think that's crazy too, because sometimes they want, like he just asked about pegging, you know, they want dominant in both ways.
	Like sometimes.
	It's just perfect.
	I don't want to be pegged, bro.
	What the fuck?
	I'm just throwing it out there.
	Just a huge generalization.
	Yeah, it's a weird.
	It's a weird thing.
	It's just weird.
	It's like she's trying to dictate to men what they want, but she's like the first thing that she listed is actually what men want.
	But she's saying that men don't want that.
	Men want like the boss, babe, bad, badass, masculine, dominant chick.
	But for them, like they want that girl who's out like their excuse me out like that in the world, but then she's submissive for him.
	Which is like, nah, that's not.
	It's ridiculous in the same way that women want really feminine men, like outwardly feminine men who are kind of submissive and feminine.
	But with them in private, if this man all of a sudden becomes really dominant and masculine, that's what women want?
	It's like the opposite.
	It's totally the opposite.
	I think maybe it's trying to incline at the excitement factor.
	Like, I know we were talking earlier about what is like exciting in a relationship and when you feel safe, it doesn't feel like, or when you feel safe, it doesn't feel exciting.
	So maybe she's trying to imply like, you know, it's good to have an outgoing, confident girl who's also submissive.
	Yeah, that's the vibes I'm getting.
	But I think that creates more chaos and excitement in a relationship than a traditional woman who's like useful and like submissive.
	Is that men like to have conquest?
	Men like a challenge.
	We like to like...
	100%.
	Right?
	Right.
	And so that's the only world where that makes any sense at all.
	But I'm not a fan of the one.
	I don't want to try to do that.
	I don't like a challenge.
	I don't like a challenge.
	But wouldn't you care about how the outside world compliments you too in a soft, feminine way?
	They don't want to see her be dominant.
	Well, I feel like the dominant aspect could just be more of like being independent.
	Like for instance, like my fiancé likes that I am very bold and out there and independent.
	And like that doesn't mean that I'm like some like traditional type baddie or something like that.
	But like I think that could be an interpretation.
	Wait, are you going to take your husband's last name?
	Yeah.
	In marriage?
	Okay, just checking.
	Wait, Brian, did you just say that you don't like challenges?
	When it comes to dating, no, I don't.
	Okay.
	Serve that up on a silver platter.
	She, well, that was a good thing.
	I think you're just self-admitting and not being an alpha because.
	Well, first off, I don't.
	I'm just saying, like, even like in history, like the days that there were like hunter-gatherers, like, men were the ones who wanted a challenge, who wanted to go out there and accomplish something.
	Bro, do you not listen?
	I'm talking in the middle of the day.
	Even in dating, that's what makes some relationships more exciting and for the guys to keep pursuing.
	Because if it was safe and stable, it kind of gets to the top to bottom.
	No, That's how girls are.
	Okay, first off, we're talking about dating.
	I absolutely engage in challenging things when it comes to my business, when it comes to all that.
	I'm not shying away from challenge.
	When it comes to dating, again, Proverbs 21:19, better to live in a desert than with a quarrelsome and nagging wife.
	I don't want my partner to be a challenge.
	I don't want to date a fence sitter chick.
	I don't want to date a girl who's playing hard to get.
	Because if you play hard to get, you quickly become hard to want.
	That's beautiful.
	Do you like to become a Christian for that verse?
	What's that?
	Would you become a Christian?
	You seem to love quoting scripture.
	I draw inspiration from a great many sources.
	Are you religious?
	And the Bible is a great source of some really fucking based shit.
	Dog.
	It was so based.
	Fucking, right?
	Like, I'm not angry.
	Okay, but also me admitting that I'm not an alpha.
	First off, I don't even.
	The original study that they did on that.
	I'm not high-value men, whatever, however, you want to.
	That's kind of a matter of money.
	Okay, but first off, this whole, like, the alpha wolf thing, it's actually been debunked.
	That was like, I'm not going to get into that.
	But I don't like this like beta alpha like terminology.
	Any guy who's like, I'm a fucking alpha male.
	Well, hold on.
	Any guy who's like, I'm a fucking alpha male, that's cringe as fuck.
	First off.
	Maybe it's cringe.
	I'm a sigma male.
	How about that?
	I'm a fucking Sigma.
	If that's your jam, go for it.
	But I know most men are most men want to express their confidence and be known as the high value or the alpha male.
	Not all men.
	Wouldn't it be more alpha?
	They're not.
	Wouldn't it the most alpha thing be that you're so high value that women are fucking throwing themselves at you instead of you having to do all this shit to chase them?
	To justify your alpha, you have to like, wouldn't you agree that the most alpha dudes are the guys who are having pussy fucking thrown at them?
	That could be a scenario, but I'm just saying a guy, I'm not a guy, but like if I were to imagine a perspective of an alpha high-value man, if they had option A and option B, option A is a is a woman who is like that safe, comfortable, stable, or B, that has the challenge, like it might, it might be playing a little bit hard to get, you know, I think that would create more excitement and as naturally men having the hunter-gatherer experience, they would want to pursue B more than A because they already know they have A.
	I don't like girls who play hard to get.
	I don't know how else I can explain this to you, but again, if you play hard to get, you quickly become hard to want.
	Agree to disagree with that.
	Look, maybe some guys like the chase or whatever.
	Me personally, I'm not a fan.
	It's a waste of my time.
	I like you.
	You like me.
	Do you want to be together?
	Let's keep shit very simple.
	I don't like chicks that be playing games.
	It's simple.
	I think that's a maturity thing, honestly.
	Just not wanting to do the whole chase thing.
	I agree.
	And there's a distinction between like full-on playing games and like saying things and then acting a certain way.
	Like the opposite, there's like, I think there's a way that you can have challenges in a relationship that makes it more interesting, but like not in a toxic way.
	So what do you think would demonstrate a woman's desire in you more?
	Her like playing hard to get and you having to, her being a challenge and you having to chase her versus a girl like who's so fucking into you that she's made it clear upfront that she likes you.
	I mean, it's different if you were saying women.
	I'm bisexual, so it's different for men or women for heterosexual relationships, I guess.
	Yeah, so I would say for women, I would like to be more like just have that kind of challenge, but for men, I like to be the one that's the challenger.
	So how does that look?
	Like how does that actually look like in practice?
	How would you be a challenge?
	I mean, like not texting like every second or like timing out things, not being available at a certain time.
	Intentionally.
	So if I want to hang out with you on a Friday and you're free, but you intentionally say you're visiting.
	If you hang out the past three days and like and Friday is the fourth day, I would probably be like, no.
	What?
	But.
	Okay, let's say I haven't seen you in a week.
	I want to see you, but you want to be a challenge.
	I would have like a FaceTime or phone call, but not hang out.
	What?
	But you want to see it too, but you just don't want to come off easy.
	Just hang out.
	It just makes.
	Yeah.
	Nah, that's not a challenge.
	That's just immature game playing.
	No.
	It's just some experience that's like so intimate natural experience.
	That's what I want.
	Yeah, I want the hunter-gatherer experience with a woman.
	Let me get my fucking spear and fucking chuck that shit.
	I'm going to chase you for three days.
	Hunting for some meat, you know?
	You're the meat?
	I don't want to be the meat.
	You're the meat.
	I don't know where this is going, but.
	Bruv.
	I interpreted that Twitter as if a man and a woman are in a relationship and I don't know.
	If she's successful and has a good job, the only way to make that relationship work would be for her to maybe be completely submissive at home if she's more powerful in like her day job or making more money or whatever the case may be.
	I thought that.
	I'm sure there's some men that both aspects.
	Most men don't want like a dominant masculine woman.
	No, I agree.
	We want, we don't want to date ourselves.
	Yeah.
	That's what she said.
	For shizzle.
	Okay.
	Last chat, and then we're going to wrap.
	Julie, do us the favors.
	Oh, it's Canadian.
	Look at this.
	Okay.
	As a Canadian, maid is terrible.
	Slippery slope to helping people with political wrong think or not wanting certain medical interventions considering Trudy's position on people with unacceptable views.
	Maid is about saving money, not helping people.
	Profound.
	Facts.
	Thank you, Phil Gowen, for the Canadian 100, which is like, what, like five bucks?
	It's like really.
	I'm joking.
	I'm joking.
	Wasn't at one point the Canadian dollar was more than the US dollar?
	That's something.
	It's a very long time.
	Maybe $90.
	I don't know.
	I don't know.
	Anyways, hold on, let me just check the last things here.
	Time to wrap, boys.
	Okay.
	Twitch chat.
	I'm going to raid somebody on Twitch while we're doing that.
	What is it?
	Oh, who should we raid on Twitch?
	Who should we raid?
	Who's live?
	Oh man, I don't know if there's anybody.
	Just go live right now.
	I don't know if there's anybody out there.
	Kalia's live.
	That's crazy.
	Yeah, she might actually be live.
	She might check.
	Um, fuck it.
	We'll raid S Fond.
	He's playing Grand Theft Auto.
	Let's go.
	Shout out to Esvond.
	Okay.
	Those of you on Twitch who are watching, thank you for tuning in.
	I'm going to do a Twitch raid.
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	Those of you on Twitch, we're going to raid S Fand.
	I don't know if he even has those alerts enabled, but raiding you guys over there on that place.
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	They're free every day.
	Right?
	Oh, okay.
	They're free.
	Does it wait?
	I don't know if it shows the raid indicator for S Fand.
	I'm just curious.
	Hold on.
	I'm just seeing if it does.
	I don't think it does.
	We'll see though.
	Does it?
	Probably for a big enough raid.
	I feel like, oh, it does.
	That's cool.
	Wait, let me see.
	I'm curious if he's going to say anything.
	Hold on.
	He's geeking over here, dude.
	Give me one second, Mark.
	Oh.
	What?
	Hold on.
	Probably not.
	Okay.
	Probably not.
	Okay.
	Never mind.
	Rejected.
	Rejected.
	Okay.
	Hold on.
	All right, guys.
	Thank you to the panel.
	Thank you, guys.
	I appreciate your guys' patience here while we went a little bit late.
	Thank you to the wonderful panel.
	07's in the chat.
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