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3 Virgins vs. 100+ Body Count Communist E-Girl?! OF Girl CLAIMS To Be Super Trad? | Dating Talk #134

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	Without further ado, we're going to have the guests introduce themselves.
	So please tell us your name, age, location.
	So where you're from and occupation.
	Go ahead.
	Hello.
	I'm Daphne.
	I'm 24.
	I live in Colorado right now, and I am an OnlyFans creator.
	All right.
	Welcome.
	My name is Venus Vixen.
	I'm 20.
	I live in Miami, and I do professional porn and OnlyFans.
	All right.
	Welcome.
	My name is Alyssa.
	I'm 28.
	I live in Santa Barbara.
	I am a mom and a preschool teacher.
	All right.
	Welcome.
	I'm Katie.
	I'm 28.
	I live in Los Angeles, and I'm a writer slash editor.
	Of what do you do?
	Just like online content, very boring stuff.
	Nothing like writing books or anything like that.
	Okay, got it.
	What about you?
	I'm Angelik, and I am 24 years old, and I am the president of a non-profit organization called Life Dress, where I hand paint pro-life apparel to start conversations about abortion so we can end it in our lifetimes.
	Let's go.
	Thank you.
	Okay.
	Thank you.
	What about you?
	Hi, my name is Sarah Ramirez.
	I'm 19.
	I'm here at UCSB, and I am a peer tutor.
	What are you studying at UCSB?
	I study math, and I'm getting a minor in math education.
	All right, welcome.
	Hi, I'm Sarah Stock.
	I'm 20.
	I'm from Newport Beach.
	I go to Vanguard University.
	I'm a college student, and I work for Rebel News as an editor, and I'm a Turning Point USA president.
	All right, welcome, Sarah.
	Hey, guys, I'm Jake, Rattlesnake TV on YouTube.
	Jake, Rattle SNK, Instagram, and Twitter.
	I'm a YouTuber, 28 years old, from Australia originally, but here today with a lovely panel.
	We've got Taylor Swift on the panel.
	That's a spinning interview.
	Yeah, guys, go check out Jake's socials and his YouTube.
	We have his YouTube and IG linked below.
	He's got a great YouTube channel.
	So, guys, be sure to go subscribe.
	And he is a veteran of the whatever podcast.
	Which one of you bestowed upon him the title of the whatever podcast?
	Great.
	So, we're going to go around the table once more.
	What's everybody's relationship status?
	So, single, talking state, situation ship, friends with benefits, relationship, married, polycule, sex, cult.
	You know, there's all kinds of things.
	How long have you been single if you're single?
	And what's the longest relationship you've ever been in?
	Starting with you, go ahead.
	So, I'm single right now.
	I've been single for I'd say two years, maybe.
	The longest relationship that I had was a weird one, but it was, I would say, about a year and a half, almost two years.
	And sorry, you said you've been single for how long?
	About two, three years.
	Two, three years.
	And longest was 1.5 to 2 years.
	About.
	Got it.
	What about you?
	I'm in a relationship.
	I've been dating somebody for like three months, and the longest relationship I've been in is two years.
	The guy that you're dating, is he also in the adult entertainment industry?
	No?
	Is he like a normie, a civilian?
	Yeah, he is.
	Is that the term for what people who are in the adult entertainment industry, you call like people who don't make that kind of content civilians?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	So he's a civilian.
	Yeah.
	What's he do?
	He's a student.
	Student.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	So you guys are about the same age then, I reckon.
	He's in college.
	Okay.
	Well, I hope he's in college.
	Okay, we have.
	What about you?
	I was married, but I filed for a divorce, so we're separated.
	And that was my longest relationship, and that was almost five years.
	Okay.
	And that was your first marriage, first and only marriage?
	No.
	I got married at 19, and that only lasts a couple years.
	Married at 19, divorced at when?
	21.
	21, and then you got married again when?
	At 24.
	And then divorced again.
	Who initiated the divorce for both of the marriages?
	Me.
	They were both unfaithful.
	Yeah.
	Both unfaithful?
	Yep.
	Okay.
	First one was more like drugs and alcohol, too, and then I got tired of that.
	And then second one, I thought I married a good man, but he was unfaithful to me.
	Okay.
	And so how long have you been single?
	Eight plus months.
	Eight plus months.
	Were you separated?
	So the divorce was finalized eight months ago?
	Or you were like separated for eight months.
	Oh, eight months.
	Okay.
	Is the divorce finalized?
	No, it will be in a couple months.
	In a couple months.
	Okay, gotcha.
	And you said you have one kid, two kids?
	Yeah, I have one little daughter.
	Is that from your first marriage, second marriage?
	No, second marriage.
	Second marriage.
	Have you been dating at all since the separation of your most recent relationship?
	No, I want to be properly single before I do that.
	I see.
	Okay, got it.
	All right.
	What about you?
	I'm in a relationship.
	We've been together for almost three years, I think.
	And it's by far the longest relationship I've ever been in.
	So, yeah.
	Five years?
	No, no, no.
	Almost three.
	Oh, sorry, three years.
	Okay.
	And that's so your current relationship is the longest one that.
	Okay.
	Yeah, by far.
	Got it.
	Okay, cool.
	What about you?
	And I'm in a relationship.
	It's been two and a half years.
	And it's my longest because it's my only.
	2.5 years.
	Okay.
	I'm single.
	I've been single since birth.
	Single since birth.
	Yeah, I'm still waiting on the right guys.
	Okay, single since birth.
	I mean, have you been on a date?
	Yes.
	They were not successful dates.
	They were not.
	What's the longest period of time that you've seen somebody, seen a guy?
	Like I said, I'm waiting for the right guy.
	I did have.
	Oh, hold on one second.
	Brandon Nix donated $100.
	Cat Lady has an Amber Alert from her mental institution.
	Did she show up in a white-white smock?
	She did, actually.
	She showed up in a.
	What is it?
	One of those straight jackets.
	We're going to keep that a secret.
	We're going to tell everyone.
	Until you need your way out of it.
	Yeah, they've actually allowed her to venture out of the psych ward just to make it onto the whatever podcast.
	My one opportunity to be free.
	Yes.
	I'll have you mirror.
	Yeah.
	She does have an ankle monitor too.
	No, I'm kidding.
	Thank you, Brandon.
	Appreciate it.
	So, okay, you've been single your whole life.
	Like, what's the most.
	Have you been on like three dates with one guy?
	Or you've only been on like just a bunch of first dates, none of them worked?
	Just a couple first dates, and it hasn't really worked out.
	Gone further?
	And is that because they didn't want to see you again?
	You didn't want to see them again?
	Mix of both?
	I kind of had to let them down a little bit easy.
	Yeah, I didn't want to see them anymore.
	Okay.
	And why was that?
	I just, I didn't feel like we were on the same wavelength when it came to certain topics.
	And he was, I don't want to be rude, but he wasn't, he didn't catch my interest, I guess.
	He wasn't physically attractive?
	Both ways, like as a person and physically, yeah.
	Okay.
	And you said you guys didn't match up on the wavelength.
	Like what specifically, like difference of values?
	Yeah, he told me he had a bunch of friends who like were doing drugs in the dorm.
	And I was like, okay, I'm not about that life.
	So.
	Was he doing good?
	Good luck.
	I don't know because, like I said, it hasn't been further than a first date.
	Yeah.
	But.
	Are you a sophomore at UCSB?
	Yes, I am.
	Okay.
	Are you still in the dorms?
	No, I have a place.
	Yeah.
	Okay, so this was back, was this back like your freshman year?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	And so that was one date, didn't work out.
	What about you've how many first dates do you think you've been on total?
	That's literally the only one.
	Oh, you've been on one first date?
	One first date, and I don't really like to count it.
	I like want to start over, but you want to start over?
	Guys, it's a deal.
	It's a whole deal.
	Okay, so you've been on one first date.
	Have you been asked out by other guys, but just not?
	No.
	Been on dating apps at all?
	Oh.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Like I said, I'm waiting.
	I'm waiting for someone to ask.
	Okay.
	No one's asking at the college campus?
	No.
	What are these guys doing?
	Are they trying to slide into the DMs, are they?
	I actually keep my account pretty private.
	So, like, I have to get to know someone first before.
	Not like necessarily, like, I'm not going to accept a first date from a stranger, but I don't think social media is the way to go.
	Like, I would give them my number if they had asked.
	Yeah.
	They have asked, but I give them my number and then they don't reach out.
	So I'm like, wink, wink, hint, hint, boys.
	If you're watching.
	Are you religious?
	Yes, I am.
	Christian or Christian, non-denominational.
	Are you waiting until marriage?
	Yeah, I am.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	All right.
	What about you, Sarah?
	I'm single.
	I've never had a long, serious relationship or anything.
	I've had like two pretty short relationships and a lot of first dates, kind of thing.
	How many first dates would you say you've had?
	No idea, to be honest.
	More than 10, more than 20, more than 30?
	I don't know.
	Probably around 20 over my life.
	Okay.
	What's the longest period of time that you've dated a guy?
	Like two and a half, three months, I think.
	Would you call it a situationship?
	Have you ever called somebody your boyfriend?
	Yeah.
	Did he call you girlfriend?
	Okay.
	Okay, two to, so we'll say like what, two to three months?
	All right.
	And you're also religious, correct?
	Yeah, I'm a Christian.
	Are you waiting until marriage?
	Yep.
	Have you always waited till marriage?
	Yes.
	Wait, so okay.
	I mean, not to be too forward here, but you're both, you both are virgins, is that correct?
	Yeah.
	Yes.
	No shame.
	Just right as I said, yes.
	All right, cool.
	All right.
	Jake, what about you?
	Yeah, single.
	Been single for two years.
	So, yeah, for the longest time I've been single.
	All right.
	I mean, Leslie from our previous show was making some overtures.
	Anything happened there, Jake?
	No, we Leslie left.
	We never found each other again.
	So that was it.
	And then her friend was, despite being in a relationship, seemed like maybe a little flirtation going on.
	Mean you were talking upstairs, Brian.
	And then just, yeah, it was over.
	It was over.
	It was done.
	It was done.
	You distracted me.
	Oh, shoot.
	Okay, well.
	Yeah.
	Well, you guys.
	All my taught.
	I'll say that.
	Which one?
	Neither.
	Leslie?
	Oh, neither.
	All right, cool.
	All right, guys.
	So that's everybody's relationship status.
	I think the first thing I want to do is actually, this is perhaps something new that I'd like to do.
	As a good jumping off point, some of you have reached out to us wanting to be on the show.
	I like to have discussions with people who disagree with me on things.
	So does anybody here, maybe you've seen the show before, maybe you've seen clips.
	Is there anything that any of you disagree with me on?
	Maybe you've seen something that, you know, clip from the show.
	I think that's a really good place to start.
	So anybody, anybody, anything?
	Yeah, but like, I feel like it's a lot, to be honest.
	So I don't really know what you're talking about.
	There's a lot that you disagree with.
	Yeah, I feel like pretty much we're on the opposite ends.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Are we OP in each other?
	Like well, we're having a conversation, but why don't.
	Yeah, I don't know where to start, but it would probably basically be anything if I had to just get it.
	Yeah, but I'm going to need you to be a little more precise.
	Like, you talk a lot of politics.
	In the show, you're more like conservative.
	I'd say.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Pretty conservative, I would say.
	I feel like I'm pretty vague when it comes to my politics, and I typically don't get super political, but I'm very conservative, if you would like to.
	But if you were to take the lead, I'd say I'm moderate to conservative-ish.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	I don't want to tell you, like, you know what I mean?
	Because it's my opinion and you're never.
	So, okay, what do you disagree with me on?
	Like, everything.
	Like, I would say I'm probably the most left-leaning here.
	Like, I'm more like socialist communist.
	That's a good place to start.
	Okay.
	Right there.
	Okay, so you're a socialist-sash communist.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	So do you think, what's like the tenant of communism?
	You don't believe that.
	Do you believe in private property?
	Yeah, do you believe in, that's what else?
	See, it's really hard to navigate these kinds of conversations, but it's basically like you can look at how we kind of are, like America right now and how we are like economically.
	Like most Americans are living like under the poverty line, you know what I mean?
	And like even people who are getting a hundred thousand dollar salary, two hundred thousand dollars, they're living paycheck to paycheck.
	And I just think everybody, like livable wages should be happening, you know what I mean?
	Can you do an example where communism or socialism provided a better quality of life than the life in America?
	I think Cuba was really promising up until the U.S. like started putting restrictions on how much of a shithole Cuba is.
	That's because of the United States.
	So you don't think it's the fact that the government went and nationalized everything and they put Shea Guevara in as the head of economics in Cuba, somebody who had never done that before?
	They nationalized the industries.
	You don't think that a bunch of guerrilla warfare fighters coming into Havana and taking over the government?
	I think Cuba had a promising chance up until the United States started putting restrictions on Cuba.
	And that's part of the reason why Cuba is so embargoed.
	But do you notice that you not think that it was like there was a part of it that might have been the socialist factor, the fact that they nationalized everything and didn't know what they were doing?
	I mean, I can agree with you to the point that it hasn't been as effective as it could have been played out, like in any case.
	So it hasn't successfully.
	Okay, so Cuba's not a good example.
	Do you have another good example of another country that has done a good job with socialism and communism?
	No.
	Do you know it's been tried many times?
	Soviet Union did it, no good.
	China did it.
	Vietnam did it.
	Laos did it.
	Cambodia did it.
	Okay, but capitalism isn't doing great either.
	Capitalism is doing a lot better than communism.
	A lot better.
	And if you look at the rise in the third world at the moment, that's all because of free markets and it's all because of cheap energy and all these things that capitalism provides.
	Thanks, Killian.
	Wait, so would you like to see the U.S. become a communist country?
	I think there needs to be kind of how communism is laid out.
	I still think there's flaws within that, right?
	Like I'm not trying to say it's the perfect solution.
	I just think on a baseline, it would be more effective.
	Like most people would have a better quality of life.
	With their randomly donated $100.
	Another vacuum, 304 selling her flesh while whining about capitalism.
	Do you not realize what you are doing is capitalism?
	Do you have a response to Brandon Lee here?
	Yeah, so I live in a capitalist country.
	Why would I not do what I can to have the best quality of life I could?
	Just because I believe in something doesn't mean that I should struggle or be poverty stricken.
	What is, I actually, I think there is actually a good counter-argument to this.
	Maybe, Jake, you're familiar with it.
	This whole, like, well, because I think it's really important that, like, both, well, your side, whatever side puts forth like really solid arguments.
	And I think the counter to that is, like, typically, people, when it comes to communism, they'll argue, well, you have an iPhone.
	But I don't think that's a very compelling argument because, like, people are going to, if they're born into society, they're going to have to maneuver through that society with the rules that have been placed.
	So, there's having an iPhone in the eyes of a communist that having an iPhone is a bad thing.
	No, it's more so just, and I'm not in favor of communism, but it's I'm just trying to steel man the capitalist position.
	Like, I'm not sure if the best argument is, well, you engage in capitalism, so why are you in favor of communism?
	Oh, yeah.
	Do you like?
	I can't think of the actual steel man for it, but because Brandon kind of said that she's engaging in capitalism, but you do live in a capitalist society, yeah.
	And I'm not saying there's no problems with capitalism, but by far and away, it's the best system we've ever tried.
	And you just have to look at the evidence.
	And you can literally, I went to Korea last year and I went to South Korea and I went to the demilitarized zone, which is on the border of North Korea.
	And it is night and day between those two countries because one of them embraced a Soviet-style communist system or socialist system, and one of them embraced a Western-style capitalist system.
	You go to Cambodia and you look at what happens when the Khmer Rouge came and took over.
	Absolute brutality.
	And that's because equality has to be forced because human beings are inherently different.
	Before you respond, we're not going to linger too long.
	We're not going to linger too long.
	Tell me you know jack crap about economics in plain language.
	Check.
	In the little box on your tax return, where it asks how much extra you want to pay, how much do you write in?
	Bet it is zero.
	What in the little box on your tax return?
	Yeah.
	When it asks how much extra you want to pay.
	But I think essentially what you're saying is that there's economic disparity in America, and you're saying that it's unfair.
	Yeah.
	It is unfair, but life's unfair.
	And we can do better, certainly.
	But I'm telling you, and I can explain it to you more if you'd like throughout the podcast.
	Communism, not the answer.
	There are answers.
	Communism, not it.
	I have a question.
	Could I ask you a question about that?
	Yeah, just to get more of a sense of what you believe.
	You said that you can't really tell us exactly what country has socialism that you can point to and say that's a positive.
	If there was one, would you move there and then give up the work that you do?
	Because you wouldn't be able to do it under that.
	I would give up my work to have, on a baseline, be around a community where there's a higher quality of life than America.
	But didn't you say that you can't point to a country that has that?
	So where would you go?
	No, I'm saying like communism and socialism is kind of the closest thing to what I believe in.
	I haven't seen it played out and it's not exactly that, but it would be the closest thing to kind of put language into it.
	So how can you believe that something is great if you've never seen it be great?
	I never said it was great.
	I said it's like what I believe to be the best system.
	Have you seen great?
	Has communism ever worked?
	No.
	And this is what I'm saying.
	Like it's the closest thing to what I believe in.
	But I think that when you just look at it on the raw facts, though, communism was responsible for the death of a north of 100 million people in the 20th century.
	So when you look at that ideology and you say, you know what, I think we should try it again, you'd have your detractors.
	Okay?
	But I do get what you're saying because you believe in equality and you think that, like, and you've arrived at this, you go to go to university or college?
	I dropped out.
	Okay.
	Did you hear a little bit of this sort of rhetoric/slash propaganda at university?
	Is that where you pick these ideas up?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, but I also think it's really tricky because, I mean, we're all like, we have like a capitalist scope on things.
	So it's r the way we're viewing communism is also through like how we've been socialized and how our people are.
	You can go to communist countries, see how it is.
	I mean, yeah, but I haven't had the opportunity yet.
	You know what I mean?
	Like, I'm still very, like, young.
	I understand, because when I was your age, I actually used to think similarly.
	I used to be like a Bernie Sanders bro, like Alexandria, El Casio, Cortez.
	You know, I used to love it.
	I used to think, so everyone can just be equal and it'll be the best.
	But then after a while, when you look into it and you realize that actually it's manufactured equality.
	And when you try and manufacture equality, it leads to brutality.
	But, you know, keep going.
	You'll get there.
	Brandon Lee donated $100.
	Thank you, Brandon.
	There is no country that makes the example of communism to be anywhere near our current society.
	Your learning life has failed you.
	Stick to learning about how to get guys off.
	Do you have a response to Brandon Lee?
	I know he's tipping a lot for this.
	Great directive.
	So, thank you, Brandon.
	Appreciate it.
	I have a question.
	So, look, I'm not super well versed in this topic, but under communism, would there be currency?
	Yeah.
	There'd be currency, so there'd be still U.S. dollars.
	So, what I'm trying to say, right, is that I don't fully believe in communism as how communism is.
	That's just the closest thing to what I believe in.
	And that's why I was trying to address some of the things that I do believe in.
	I think there should be a baseline of livable wages and things like that.
	Wait, but there were so things that I would like to have for the community as a whole.
	Doc Vinabli donated $100.
	Cuba is 90 miles from Key West.
	You can swim there.
	Once there, genius.
	Would you consider, how's your swimming?
	Decent, I guess.
	If you were to swim from Miami to Cuba, would it be a breaststroke?
	Would it be butterfly?
	What's your preferred backstroke?
	That would be a good way to get there.
	Thank you, Doc Vanablis.
	Good to see you in the chat.
	Well, okay, so under communism, let's say there's somebody who's a doctor and then somebody who's a secretary.
	How are they, like, are they both compensated equally, like the same amount?
	Yeah.
	So the secretary, who need not spend hundreds, thousands of hours attaining secondary, like other forms of education, she's compensated just as well as the doctor.
	So what's the incentive for somebody in a communist society where everything is supposedly provided for them to put in all this extra effort?
	Like also, what about who wants to be a janitor or who wants a dirty or dangerous job under communism?
	Wouldn't everybody just want to communist, but they do like have certain things, like other developed countries like the Netherlands, right?
	Where they have a pretty high quality, but I've been there three times.
	I'm getting there.
	I'm getting to the point that I'm making.
	I'm not saying it's a communist.
	But they have livable wages and higher taxes, right?
	And one of the things you look at is when everyone has enough to live, the incentive to make more money, or a lot of Europe doesn't have a lot of millionaires because there's not that drive to have this excess of wealth when you can survive.
	That it's just not natural.
	You know what I mean?
	Can I ask something?
	The Netherlands.
	Getting rid of the labels, capitalism, socialism, communism.
	Can you give us like an idea of what the ideal society system would be?
	Like you don't have to stick to any like any names.
	Just like if I were in charge, if I could set up a country to run a certain way, how would you want it to run?
	Like specifically?
	Okay, like is there like one avenue like economics?
	Yeah, economically.
	Okay.
	Yeah, I feel like that's a little bit better too, because I feel like it can be really tricky because, like I said, I'm not really trying to stick to a label, but that would be the closest thing.
	I think equal pay for everyone would be like a good start.
	There would still be an incentive.
	People still want to be doctors without pay.
	I mean, Cuba actually has the highest donated $100.
	Definitely drinking the water that turns the frogs gay.
	says turn the frogs gay um so you said that i want to i want to hear her answer Yeah, yeah, she just said that there would be incentives.
	And I'm saying that do you think that there would be incentives?
	Do you think that we would get the best quality there?
	I mean, yeah, that's why I believe in it.
	But also, like, you said, what would be the incentive to become like a doctor or something like that when Cuba has the most doctors per capita?
	You know what I mean?
	Like, people still want to be doctors.
	People naturally want to help each other.
	Do you think they're the best doctors?
	Well, I don't know.
	I can't.
	What's the life expectancy in Cuba?
	Probably lower than here, but you can't really trust the government's numbers, though.
	That's fair.
	Yeah.
	This is the problem in Cuba.
	My barber back in Brisbane is Cuban.
	Shout outs to Yaz.
	And his mum is a doctor.
	And he says that she basically makes the same as somebody who flips burgers in the United States.
	She just makes absolutely no money.
	And she's a doctor.
	Mount underscore what Tevras donated $100.
	Communism has failed and will fail at every nation that has tried.
	RFK Jr. 2024.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, so I mean, it's just human nature, though, that the reason why people strive to be the best and succeed is because they get paid more and they get more prestige.
	But in those countries, there is no prestige with those jobs.
	They're slaves.
	Any other economic policies?
	Because you mentioned the Netherlands and.
	Yeah, so they have high taxes.
	Hold on.
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	Thank you, Alfie.
	That is a bit more deeding related.
	I appreciate it.
	Thanks, Alfie.
	I think you were asking, can I ask her a follow-up question?
	Yeah, so you mentioned the Netherlands.
	And is it particularly the social safety nets?
	Because when you talk about Scandinavian countries, I think that a lot of people refer to their social safety nets and these things that they've got going on.
	Is that what you like about those countries, that they've got robust social safety nets?
	Yeah, and they also have the highest quality of life.
	People are happiest there than anywhere else, which I think says something, you know what I mean?
	Because people complain in the States about high taxes, but it's what we're doing with that tax money when we're asking for more, when the government's asking for more.
	Well, they have some pretty high SUI rates in those Nordic countries.
	But with the social safety nets, though, do you understand that those countries, it's like comparing apples and oranges when you compare America to the Scandinavian countries?
	Because for a number of reasons.
	First of all, they're very, very resource-rich.
	Like, a country like Norway has more money than it knows what to do with it.
	So these countries are very, they just throw money into these social programs like.
	It's a population, like 10.
	Yeah.
	No, it's like 4 million in Norway or something.
	And also, they're very, very culturally homogenous.
	So they're very strict with immigration.
	You don't have that in America.
	You guys pay a price for how lenient you are with your borders and everything.
	So it's comparing apples and oranges.
	But they do have, I have spent time in some of those countries, especially Holland, and they do have social safety nets, but they're pretty different to those countries to hear.
	I have a question.
	So do you think that your life would be better?
	Like, how would it personally affect you if the United States is more socialist?
	I think it's interesting.
	I don't know.
	I think it would have affected me probably a couple, like two years ago, more so than now.
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	Doctors are used as slave labor in Cuba.
	The doctors are sent to work in Mexico and Venezuela, and those countries pay Cuba.
	Doctors earn $30 US dollars a month within Cuba.
	Cab drivers earn much more.
	Dark Van Adelis, thank you very much.
	That's a good point.
	Like, what under a communist society, like, what is the incentive to work hard if the person who doesn't even work gets the same exact benefits and privileges as you?
	It becomes more personal and less on survival.
	So one of the things why money is an incentive is because money raises your quality of life here.
	Like people still have an incentive to be doctors there because naturally there are some people who want to help people in other ways than just how much this is going to pay me or how little this is going to pay.
	You mentioned that you.
	Did you just say that it would have benefited you a little while ago, but not anymore?
	Is that because you make more money now?
	Because you're doing what you're doing.
	Yeah, so I'm like I benefit from capitalism now.
	But if you weren't benefiting from it, then you'd want to live in a socialist community.
	No, I would want to either way, but I am saying that I do benefit from capitalism.
	So you're benefiting from capitalism now means you see capitalism in a good light because you're benefiting from it, right?
	But if you weren't.
	I still see the flaws in it, but I do benefit from it.
	So if you're making a lot of money right now, you'd want to give most of that money away.
	I do give a decent amount of the money that I make away.
	I definitely.
	Stop the cap.
	What do you mean, where do you give it?
	Like, not only that, but like in my daily life, but also I like donate.
	Like, I also like to.
	Who?
	Who do you donate to?
	Like, things I believe in.
	Like, it's not one specific thing.
	It kind of changes as it fluctuates.
	What percentage would you say you donate?
	I don't have an exact percentage.
	Like, roughly.
	Or like three organizations.
	Like, any organization you've donated to.
	So three nonprofits.
	Go ahead.
	Okay.
	I'm like getting nervous, but one of the things, like also in my daily life, is like I give to people that I know, you know what I mean?
	Like three organizations?
	Three, any, anything.
	Um, just two.
	I'm trying to think, like, I.
	Yeah, sometimes it'll escape you.
	We understand.
	Look, I appreciate you actually having this conversation because I know it feels like there's like a lot of people ganging up on you right now.
	But you did come and say you're a socialist communist.
	Yeah.
	It's got the starting point.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Anyways.
	Well, the reason I'm asking is like, is the reason you want it is because you want people to, like, do you feel like some people are entitled to other people's money?
	Because that's basically what socialism is.
	I don't think like other people are entitled to other people's money, but I think everyone should be.
	Like, I don't think people should be living on the street.
	You know what I mean?
	On a baseline.
	Like, I think the wealth disparity in the United States is like a crisis.
	That's what I'm trying to get at.
	The notion that you're talking about where people will become doctors just because they want to help people and stuff, it's so verifiably untrue.
	Even if you look at the example that you said, Cuba, when Shea Guevara was in charge of the finances there, he ran this big campaign where he was going to get everybody to rally around the nation and everybody to rally around Cuba and to do their work.
	And it failed so miserably because people were just like, but we're not really paying us.
	Why would we do it?
	And there was a saying in the Soviet Union that was, they pretend to pay us, we pretend to work, which meant that the government just pretends to pay us and we just pretend to do the work.
	So nothing actually gets done.
	But when you look at a capitalist system, for all its flaws, and you've done a good job in identifying some of the flaws, one of the biggest strengths is that people are incentivized.
	You can literally come from the bottom, and we have such social and economic mobilization in capitalist countries that you can get to the absolute top.
	And there are many examples of that.
	But if you go to countries that have been decimated by communism, like when you spend time in Cambodia, the only people that are rich are the high-level military personnel and government.
	That's it.
	A great example of a country that socialism has taken over is Venezuela.
	They were doing better than the United States economically, and then they actually voted in socialism.
	It's one of the few countries they voted in.
	And it wasn't even a dictator that took over anything.
	And then now they wouldn't even be able to afford a meal for their family a week.
	The inflation was so bad because the government just kept on printing more and more money.
	And that's honestly also what's happening in the States.
	It's because more socialist policies have been implemented and that's actually lowered the standard of living because we've been printing more and more money.
	There are some correlations there.
	But yeah, Venezuela, like she said, it's another good example.
	And there was a guy named Hugo Chavez in the 1990s that was president of Venezuela.
	And Venezuela at this time was one of the burgeoning countries in the world economically.
	And they had all these natural resources and they were killing it and all these celebrities were going to Venezuela and it was amazing.
	And then he brought in socialism and this very nationalized the industries.
	And this is one of the great dangers of socialism, which is what maybe you haven't quite realized yet, is that when the government nationalizes things, they're normally pretty bad at it.
	They're normally pretty bad at it.
	Like you look at South Africa at the moment.
	I don't know if you guys have seen much about what's happening in South Africa at the moment.
	The government nationalized everything, the ANC, bless them.
	And it's basically a failed state.
	It's falling apart.
	So it happens when the government nationalizes things because they don't have the incentive.
	It's not people making money off it and businesses.
	Yeah, I think it's also you talking about different countries.
	It's interesting when you think about if you travel to other countries and you interact with the people there, like for example, I work, I run a nonprofit where I go and like do workshops and stuff with people in different countries.
	And something that I always hear most places that I go to is that people want to come to the United States.
	Like it's just a, it's just a trend.
	Like if you travel and you go and you see other cultures, a lot of times people are interested in coming to the United States for various reasons, mostly financially.
	Like if you go to a country that's really struggling and they're not a capitalist society, they want money from the United States.
	They see a United States person and they say, money.
	Like that's what they look at, you know?
	So something to think about because, I mean, you said you're from Florida, right?
	Or you live in Florida?
	I live in Florida.
	Last time I was in Fort Lauderdale, I thought I was in Cuba.
	And I mean, it's really interesting because it shows that people want to be in the United States.
	People want to come to America because they see it as not only a place of freedom, but a place for economic gain.
	Like I was born in the poorest part of the country, like Appalachia, right?
	And that's where I'm from.
	So I think a lot of my opinions do have to do with seeing the wealth disparity as such a first-hand experience that I think maybe some people haven't got to see.
	That it's like, honestly, in a lot of ways, it's like there are people that still have outhouses.
	You know what I mean?
	Hunter donated $100.
	This has got to be the most boring conversation.
	I'm sitting here with my left hand in my pants and have never been more turned off.
	We've talked about this for a little too long.
	I'll have a brief back and forth with you.
	Please don't anybody else jump in and then two minutes and then we'll move back.
	So, Hunter, thank you for your TTS.
	Appreciate it.
	So, question for you.
	If nobody wants to work and they just want to go in and take the free bread every morning, what happens if you multiply that by everybody?
	I think you underestimate the degree to which people are lazy.
	I mean, maybe, but there's no like indicator for that.
	There's no indicator that people are lazy?
	Like, or how many people are lazy or like whatever.
	What would happen over a certain period of time?
	What would happen over a.
	Okay.
	I mean, there's also this concept of the tragedy of the commons.
	Like, everybody owns something, nobody owns it.
	Like, if collectively everybody owns everything, so nobody's going to give a damn about it.
	Nobody's going to take care of it.
	And everything just withers into disrepair.
	I mean, most people in my generation won't be able to afford a home.
	So I think it's kind of like the same thing.
	Well, I think we can also acknowledge.
	Look, I mean, I think anybody who's in favor of capitalism can obviously acknowledge that it's not perfect and there's flaws and there's losers in the system.
	But I mean, there is no better system that so far devised as capitalism.
	Because like, okay, you have you may very well have fair criticisms and valid criticisms of capitalism, but it's not clear to me if the answer is let's just tear it all down and install a new system.
	I guess like that would be where my opinion is.
	It would be the closest to something closer to so are you merely just a critic of capitalism?
	I guess more so, yeah.
	But I mean you said you're socialist slash communist.
	Yeah, that would be that's like the closest thing to identify with for me.
	But you can I mean you can still be in favor of capitalism but also acknowledge hmm here's some ways capitalism gets it wrong.
	Here's some ways we can improve it.
	I don't know where I sit on that.
	Because the system that you're suggesting that we switch to communism is I mean it's been attempted.
	It's failed.
	I suppose in some perfect way, like if we're if you're expecting people to move in the most idealistic way, then perhaps it could work.
	But people break rules.
	People break systems.
	But so if you have imperfect actors who are criminals, for example, you have people that can be greedy.
	If those greedy people become the people that hold the power, I guess, in this communist society, how's that going to work?
	Then it doesn't work.
	corruption.
	If corruption happens Are humans corrupt?
	Naturally.
	Are humans.
	I don't think so.
	You don't think?
	Naturally?
	Like, I feel when there's no incentive to be greedy, which greed usually, like, is their survival instinct, then I don't think naturally most people result to corruption.
	But so you're saying if there's like this base level of sustenance that people could reach, then we would live in some like utopia.
	I'm not saying like everything would be perfect all the time.
	Let's say the standard of living for everyone, everyone had health insurance, everybody had food, everybody had house.
	You don't think there'd be people that want more?
	I think maybe some, but it would be pretty sparse.
	Pretty sparse.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Okay.
	We're going to move on.
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	So is there anything not maybe more dating related that you disagree with us on?
	Or is it more just like I'm super left-leaning?
	I view you as conservative.
	So you're more generally disagreeing politically.
	Yeah.
	Well, you do have a couple women here who are pro-life.
	And I suspect, given your political leanings, you're pro-choice.
	Is that fair to say?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	I'd be interested to see where the table is on that.
	Yeah, why don't we see like who's pro-choice, who's pro-life?
	Pro-life.
	Well, here, start with you.
	We'll go around the table.
	Pro-life.
	Pro-choice.
	Very pro-life.
	Pro-choice.
	Pro-life.
	I already said it.
	Anti-abortion every day.
	Okay.
	So we have.
	Is it two versus what?
	Six, seven?
	Abortion is the greatest human rights and justice of our time.
	Say that again.
	Oh, she's wearing the shirt.
	I don't know.
	Abortion is the greatest human rights and justice of our time.
	All right, there you have it.
	Just a fact.
	Just a fact.
	Wait, so, you know, before Before I have, like me, maybe before me and Jake weigh in, as somebody who's pro who's pro-choice, do you think I often hear the term no uterus, no opinion?
	Do you concur?
	Do you agree with that?
	Not 100%.
	Okay.
	Because it's like, I feel like a father should have rights.
	Do you know what I mean?
	And should have a say.
	I feel like ultimately, because it's a woman and her body, she should have the majority.
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	Wait, you said that you think fathers should have rights.
	I mean, if we're talking about abortion, so are you arguing that men should be able to compel women to get abortions?
	It's kind of big.
	I'm just kidding.
	No, I think they should have a say.
	You know what I mean?
	How would a man have a say?
	In the realm of pro-life or pro-I feel like they should have an opinion.
	I mean, an overpowering opinion, not an opinion that overshadows.
	But you specifically, I think, correct me if I'm wrong, I think you specifically said men should have rights.
	Fathers should have rights.
	Yeah, I feel like related.
	Yeah, in terms of like core and child support and just all of that nature, women usually do have like a benefit over that.
	But since we're specifically talking about abortion, do you think men should be able to compel women to have abortions?
	Compel them to?
	Like, let's say she wants to keep the kid.
	He doesn't want to keep the kid.
	Should he be able to compel her to get an abortion?
	No.
	Oh, okay.
	Because you said father's rights in the context of abortion.
	We could have a conversation.
	If you want to keep the child, then I say, like, there's a concept called legal paternal surrender where after the child's born or even before the child's born, the father can say, well, obviously he can't have a say in terms of compelling her to have the child, but he could say, well, I'm not going to be, I don't want any parental rights and I don't want any financial responsibility or parental responsibility.
	And that's it's a men's rights position, legal paternal surrender.
	So you're in favor of that?
	Yeah.
	Okay, that's not, I mean, it's semi-related to the abortion issue, but it's not really central to it.
	Although I would certainly agree with you that, for example, in any state where abortion is legal, certainly there should be a corresponding legal paternal surrender where a man could say, well, I, you know, if a woman has a right to murder the child, I ought to at least be able to do away with my parental responsibilities and obligations so that when it comes to child support or any sort of parental responsibility, I think that's a fair position.
	Is there like a certain cutoff?
	I know that abortion, there's like a, isn't there a timeframe of when you can and can't get one?
	Do you support late-term abortions?
	Is that what it's called?
	When it's later on, would you like support that or be an advocate for a late-term abortion?
	I mean, it's not my, you know, my body.
	So yeah, I mean, pretty much it's not my choice to make.
	It's someone else's choice.
	I don't think I should take that from someone.
	I think, oh, yeah, that's he was dropping.
	Okay, hold on.
	Let me look into that.
	Continue on with the conversation.
	If you had to say, from your standpoint, though, if you had to make a cutoff of when you think isn't a a reasonable time where it's no longer ethical to have an abortion, what would that cutoff be?
	My whole stance is that I don't think it's my choice to make that for other people.
	So if a woman was in labor and she said, I want to kill this baby, you would be okay.
	Okay.
	Okay, so what's the cutoff?
	Then, I mean, like, labor is the process of giving birth.
	What about a day before?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Do you think that it's fine?
	Have you ever seen what it looks like?
	Yeah.
	An abortion taking place?
	Yeah.
	You have seen that?
	What does it look like?
	I mean, there's like different types of abortion.
	You can take the pill.
	You think you can take a bill?
	No.
	In terms of a late-term abortion, the day before.
	Let's say.
	Do you know what that is?
	I mean, I've seen what a full-term fetus looks like.
	Yeah.
	What's the difference between the baby a day before the woman goes into labor and then, well, the woman's in labor?
	What's the difference between those children?
	Like, why does one get the right to life and the other one doesn't?
	I just think it's prioritized.
	Until the child is born, I think you should prioritize the person bearing the child first.
	Their mental health, their body, everything.
	But are you agreeing that there's another person involved?
	I mean, potentially there could be.
	Potentially or is there?
	Because if someone were to get killed, you wouldn't say potentially someone got killed.
	You'd be like, someone got killed.
	That's crazy.
	Okay, then no.
	So there is another person involved.
	No.
	So just to make both of your stances clear, you both don't think that, like, when do you think that the unborn becomes a person?
	I would disagree with that.
	I am not as extreme in that way.
	I'm pro-choice, but I would say I used to be much more aloof with it.
	Like, anybody should be able to get an abortion, not at any time, but like in a reasonable amount of time, which I don't know exactly what that would be.
	And the more I listen to podcasts like this and other things that talk about this, I would say I completely agree that there needs to be like a serious cut back.
	And like, you probably know the statistics of how much it happens.
	It's like crazy.
	It's probably like really out of control.
	How much what happens?
	How much abortion happens.
	Like, I think that there's probably a lot of people using it as a backup plan.
	Birth control.
	Exactly.
	And I don't agree with that.
	I do think that there's probably a lot of benefits.
	If you had to say, when do you think that a human life becomes a human life?
	That's tough.
	I would say it's pretty early for me.
	Like, I think, you know, when it's just the first little cells that usually everyone talks about, like, I would say, yeah, that's reasonable if you just found out you were pregnant.
	What if I were to tell you that it's an unassailable scientific fact that a human life becomes a human life at the moment of conception?
	That, that would be a claim.
	It's like hard for me to fully believe that.
	But if you like.
	Propaganda is real.
	If you could fully convince me of that, then yeah, I would say that 90% of biologists actually agree that life begins at conception.
	So if we're deciding when someone lives or dies, I think we have to have a definitive point.
	You know, we can't just arbitrarily pick a point in pregnancy to decide whether someone has the right to life or not.
	And since biology does say fertilization is the start of life, it seems to me that that's the only viable time we can say that that's when life begins.
	And therefore we must protect all life from the moment of conception all the way up until birth.
	And afterwards, too.
	Seems like you're very open-minded about it, which is good.
	And I think that if you follow this path of logic, you'll eventually find yourselves with your back up against the wall where you realize that it's not even scientifically contested with anybody who's worth their salt in the field of biology to say that human life doesn't begin at the moment of conception.
	So, I mean, you find yourself in a position, and I've done this as well.
	I used to be pro-life, I used to be pro-choice, sorry, myself.
	And eventually you just confronted with the facts, and you can't really.
	I don't know if this was asked.
	One question for you.
	Do you have a sense of, like, should a woman be able to get an abortion at any point throughout the pregnancy?
	Or do you have a cutoff?
	I feel like that's her choice.
	I feel like it's not for me to decide for someone else.
	So, for example, like, would you be okay with women being able to get abortions a day before they would otherwise give birth?
	I mean, like I said, it's not my choice.
	It's just somebody else.
	I feel like it's excessive to do it at that point, but at the end of the day, I'm not, I don't.
	Why is it excessive?
	What's wrong with an abortion right before birth or whether it's right after conception?
	What's the fundamental difference?
	I mean, as something's developing, like, it feels like it's like, oh, that's right there at the cutoff.
	Do you know what I mean?
	So that feels like there's a reasonable time in which, but late-term abortions don't happen that frequent.
	Right, but just as just in terms of having an intellectual conversation about it, would you be okay with a woman getting an abortion a day before she would otherwise have a healthy that is her body?
	That is her choice.
	It is not my choice for what someone should do or shouldn't.
	Like, what I would do is I wouldn't have an abortion at all.
	But that's me.
	Why wouldn't you have an abortion?
	Because I feel like for me, like, what aligns with me, I wouldn't want to do that, but it's not my choice to make that for someone else.
	When you say it doesn't align for you, is it like a moral thing for you that you wouldn't have an abortion because you think it killed?
	The debate is moral.
	The whole thing is morality.
	But for you, you said that you wouldn't have one.
	Is it a moral thing for you?
	Yes, the whole topic is moral.
	So do you think that if I were to say I'm for child abuse, but you guys aren't, therefore I can abuse my child because I personally am not like against child abuse?
	Or would you step in and say, oh, excuse me, you can't abuse your child, right?
	Like, moral issues are our problems.
	It's your problem too.
	You know, you can't just say, I'm personally pro-life, but you can do whatever you want.
	Well, there are different things that that's an extreme.
	I don't think so.
	I mean, killing a child could in some ways seem worse than just abusing your child, but the point is, if it's a moral issue.
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	Thank you, Wiley.
	Did you want to continue on with your thread?
	Yeah, I just want to understand in the sense of morality, since you agree it's a moral issue, right?
	Like that's, we can agree on that at least, right?
	Yeah, I mean, most things are a moral issue.
	Right.
	And so if let's talk about another moral issue where you would agree that there should be some kind of objective reality, right?
	Like, do you agree child abuse is wrong?
	Yes.
	Why?
	What do you mean, why?
	Because it harms children, right?
	Yes.
	We can agree on that.
	And we can agree on many other moral issues where we can both say, oh, that's wrong.
	That's hurting somebody else, right?
	But this is like a more tricky topic.
	Like, it's just black and white as like hitting a child or something like that.
	This is something that you know there are responsibilities to bear once this happens.
	And there are a lot of children in foster care, and there's a lot of people who are pro-and I'm not saying this is you, right?
	Like you put a lot of effort into fixing that.
	Dr. Venabille has donated $100.
	Greater than 90% of biologists agree that life begins at conception.
	Also, an important principle of bioethics, when making decisions regarding life or death, always are on the side of life.
	Hey, Dr. Nadlis, thank you, man.
	Appreciate it.
	Continue with your point.
	Go ahead.
	It becomes more tricky when it's like most of the people that are pro-life are just like, oh, just don't do anything or provide anything, provide resources for people in tricky positions.
	Do you know what I mean?
	Like, domestic violence is a huge issue, and it's most of it isn't even, you know, put on to numbers.
	I mean, I would argue, honestly, that pro-life people generally do care more about like the entire life versus just the fetus.
	Because you hear that a lot.
	You know, oh, pro-life people only care about the fetus.
	That's not true.
	Pregnancy resource centers actually are like four to one to planned parenthoods.
	And if you call up a planned parenthood and ask them, hey, I'm having a baby.
	Do you have any like resources like diapers?
	And like, can I have a place to stay?
	They're going to be like, what are you talking about?
	All we have is the abortion pill.
	Like, that's all we have for you.
	Whereas pro-life people are actually giving resources to women to be able to say, like, you can do this.
	You're strong enough to be a mother.
	So I would argue that that's really not the case.
	And they'd also adopt the kid as well.
	Yeah.
	That would make you take it to term.
	And then the adoption list in America is much bigger than the amount of abortions that take place.
	I want to try to get a little bit more precise on the question that I asked you before.
	So I asked you, would you be okay with a woman getting an abortion a day before she would otherwise go through with a healthy pregnancy?
	Her life is at risk.
	The baby's health is fine.
	You said you'd be okay with that, correct?
	I mean, I feel like it's not for me to put my opinion on what someone else should judge.
	That's for someone else to weigh out, not me.
	That is not my responsibility to do that.
	Then I'll make it a two-pronged question.
	For you, let's say you decided a day before you were otherwise going to give birth, you decided you wanted to get an abortion.
	Would you?
	I wouldn't do that.
	Okay, so then, and you don't, you would not legislate or to let me think about this.
	You would not put forth legislation to prevent women from getting an abortion a day before they would otherwise give birth?
	No.
	Would you at least have some sort of moral objection or judgment to them doing that?
	Perhaps you wouldn't want to cripple the birthplace.
	Like I said, I feel like it's a little bit excessive.
	Like, I feel like it's you're waiting up until the last point, you know what I mean?
	Do you find it morally objectionable?
	I mean, I guess to a degree.
	Okay.
	What about, so what about an hour before a woman were to otherwise give birth?
	One hour.
	She's in the hospital, right?
	But she's in the hospital.
	Ooh, the pain's really bad.
	Let's just do an abortion.
	Not that I don't think that might not be the pretext for why she would get an abortion, but I suppose the pain would still persist anyways.
	But let's say an hour before she was otherwise going to give birth, she wanted to get an abortion.
	I feel like it's not for me to say.
	Like, it's not my decision to make.
	Like, I feel like that's for each individual person to assess their situation.
	Didn't you agree with a moral issue, though?
	You agreed it was a moral issue where if you didn't agree, it's killing a person, that's why you wouldn't do it.
	Why wouldn't you say that?
	I didn't agree that it was killing a person.
	I'm saying for me, it would feel immoral for me to do it.
	But why is it immoral to you?
	Because if it wasn't under extreme circumstances for me, then I have the financial resources that I'm okay with a child.
	Like, I agree with a child.
	So the moral issue for you is that it kills your child.
	Is that correct?
	Just, no.
	No?
	So then what's wrong with abortion?
	If it doesn't kill a person, then abortion's totally fine, right?
	You would want more abortions in some ways.
	My personal opinion on what I would do for my body is still, I don't think I should push that on anyone else.
	It's the same thing for like a religious belief or anything else like that.
	If there was, let me ask you a question.
	If there was a pro-life lobby trying to legislate that a woman could not get an abortion A day before she would otherwise give birth, would you be against that?
	Like, if you had, or there was that, there was a something on the ballot, you know, you could vote.
	Can women get an abortion a day before they would otherwise give birth?
	I feel like a day is excessive, and if I had to have an opinion, it would probably lean more towards I wouldn't want that to happen because it is so last minute.
	What about a second?
	She's a second away from this is still excessive.
	Like, is this realistic?
	No, but okay, she's one second away from giving birth.
	Should she be able to have an abortion?
	Like, you might not be a ridiculous question.
	Like, one second away.
	Hypothetical.
	Just engage with the hypothetical.
	Do you think it's right or wrong?
	Like, do you think that it's morally right or wrong to do that?
	I feel like for me personally, and I can only answer for myself, it would be wrong for me, but I cannot answer for other people.
	Why is it wrong?
	Because I feel like I can bear the responsibility of a child.
	If it were to happen, I feel like I could, I have the right resources.
	I can't make that decision for someone else.
	Here, let me give you a hypothetical.
	So, okay.
	The woman's in the hospital.
	She's an hour away from otherwise giving birth.
	At 59 minutes before giving birth, she realizes that her entire life savings have been wiped out.
	She can no longer financially, you know, she's realized, oh no, my finances have been totally wiped away on this sole basis.
	Now, before I was able to financially provide, now I can't.
	She wants to now get an abortion because just financially she's not in a good position.
	Do you think that that is sufficient reason to get an abortion?
	Like, I don't know how many times I have to say it.
	Like, it's not my opinion to have.
	It's that simple.
	It's not for me to have an opinion on someone else.
	Jump in.
	I understand your point that you're not trying to make your opinion influence someone else's decision.
	And it's kind of like, oh, each individual person should just do what they want.
	But then, what would be the point in having a government that takes care of people if we just say, oh, do whatever you want at the risk of whoever?
	Like, it doesn't make sense.
	Not at the risk of whoever.
	But this is a favorite issue.
	It's the same thing as if you were to push a religion on every single person.
	That it doesn't, there are certain things that don't work and they aren't so black and white.
	And this things that sit in a very gray area.
	But there are certain rights that everyone has that is black and white.
	Like life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
	Why is it all black and white for you?
	Because it is an issue of morality.
	But there's a morality that's not black and white.
	Morality is sex.
	It's what's good and what's agile.
	We just decided.
	Oh, yo, Rick, are you Hunter on Streamlabs?
	Is that you, Rick?
	Are you Hunter?
	Send another super so I can see it.
	Here, last back and forth, and we're going to switch gears a bit if you guys want to just wrap up on the point.
	I just wanted to also ask: do you know what the point of viability is?
	Like, what's the difference between a child at 20 weeks versus like right before birth?
	Like, probably like pain.
	But how much it can feel pain, like, I don't know, biological.
	Because most places in the United States, you can have an abortion all the way up to the point of viability, and babies are being born in the same hospitals where they're being aborted.
	Do you think that that's a moral issue where like these children, one child gets the right to life, they get to have you know the life that you have right now because their mother made a decision versus a child in a different room is literally being killed, pulled apart limb from limb at that point in an abortion, and they don't have that right to live.
	Why is it someone else's decision whether someone lives or dies?
	But it's also consciousness.
	And don't you think that's once you become unconscious, right?
	Like if you're in the if you're in a coma, then you no longer have the ability to assess decisions for yourself.
	It's the same thing.
	Someone that would be a caretaker to you would make that decision if you should live or die or when it happens.
	It's the same situation.
	You're not conscious.
	So consciousness is just a child.
	You have like value?
	Yes.
	Well, and it has for a long time asleep.
	Can you just kill me if I'm asleep?
	Just because I wouldn't have to do that.
	That's not the same level of consciousness.
	I don't think there's a gray area.
	It's life or like in death.
	I think, I mean, if even the moment of contraception, it's a living being.
	It's life.
	There is no gray area.
	There shouldn't be a gray area.
	Conscious or not, there should be no gray area.
	It's completely that's so linear because at the same time, you could be like, murder is bad.
	But if you were stuck somewhere, there is no but murder to be dead, right?
	Do you think we're doing someone in trying to kill you?
	That would be different than you murder someone.
	That's wrong.
	Self-defense isn't murder.
	Self-defense is not murder.
	It's an opinion.
	Well, because there are some people that consider that murder.
	That's the whole issue.
	Once the baby is born, that newborn requires murder.
	But once the baby's born, that's a newborn, right?
	And you can't just leave a baby and walk away.
	They're not just like, now they're on their own.
	Like, now it's a person separate from itself, and the mother has nothing to do with it.
	The child still requires support from people around them.
	So, what is the fundamental difference if you're saying it's their body, her choice, five seconds before birth, but then five seconds after birth, suddenly, you know, consciousness kill that child?
	Like, that's terrible.
	It may be consciousness.
	Do you remember anything from that moment?
	Like, when you.
	Wait, do you think that a child doesn't have consciousness right before they're born?
	Like, once it takes its first breath and it's into the world, scientifically, a child actually has consciousness very, very early in pregnancy.
	Your heart starts being indicated being pain.
	All of it.
	Like, they have brain waves or very early in pregnancy.
	In fact, mothers don't even know they're pregnant while their baby's heart starts beating.
	And then, not shortly after, do they have brain waves?
	So, that's why I'm telling you, viability is very early because you can have a baby born premature and they can survive outside the womb.
	Do you have a final thought, or otherwise, I'm going to switch gears?
	No, is there okay?
	So, going back to my initial question: Is there anything anyone who disagrees with me?
	You've seen a clip, anything, anything else?
	Anybody?
	Okay, all right, so maybe there would be some other things we can disagree on.
	We have Me Too here, Canadian 50.
	Brian, not a huge fan of you.
	You're not much better than the Tates.
	You're making money off these women.
	At least Tate pretends he's not disgusted with these women.
	I may consider joining this lol podcast simply to put you in your place.
	Well, hey, listen, we invite, I invite people on all the time who disagree with me.
	I'm very open to dissenting opinions and debates.
	So, um, you can, it could be, you could certainly uh shoot us a DM on Instagram.
	I like your Karen haircut there, it's probably not even you, but um, it would be so good to get a Karen in this podcast.
	Nick, come back.
	Um, so I mean, you're welcome to uh shoot us a DM.
	We can see about having you come on the show.
	Uh, I kind of failing to see your comparison to the Tates because I mean, they were, I mean, I like I'm hosting a podcast where I invite women on the show.
	Um, I'm not really a critic of the Tates, but I mean, they were involved in like cam modeling, which like I don't produce any pornographic content, so it's totally different.
	But uh, anyways, you're welcome to DM us.
	I'm happy to uh debate.
	All right, we have uh let's see.
	Oh, we have Stiffler here.
	Okay, let's just get this one out of the way early.
	Ask everyone to rate their looks on a scale of one to ten, starting with you.
	Go ahead.
	How to rate myself on a scale of one to ten right now in this outfit?
	I would say like a seven.
	Okay.
	Yeah, I feel like a seven.
	Six.
	Currently, I would say I'm like in the five range, but when I'm at my best and taking care of myself better, I think I can get up to like a six or seven.
	Okay.
	I have no idea.
	I've never really thought about the scaling of people's attractiveness on a number scale of one to ten, but so I don't know.
	Well, I'll push a little there, or do you want to try it right now?
	Not really.
	I just don't, I don't really believe in putting people on like number scales, basically.
	Okay.
	Well, I'll engage with you on that in a bit, but go ahead.
	What about you?
	I'm kind of the opposite.
	Hold on.
	Matthew Lee donated 100 things.
	Thank you, Matthew Lee.
	Once you say you have no opinion, then why speak stupid shit?
	Anything you say means nothing.
	Is this directed at Vixen?
	I think that was a little bit of a while ago.
	It was on the abortion topic.
	Because I have opinions, but no.
	Matthew Lee, appreciate it, man.
	Thank you.
	I think this is directed to you.
	Do you want to respond?
	I mean, it's basically like I have an opinion and I have an opinion for myself.
	And then also, my opinion is that I shouldn't make opinions for other people because it's so personalized to other people's issues and what they have going on.
	But I mean, so would you fight against legislation that outright banned abortion in this country?
	Yes.
	So you do have an opinion.
	You do have a position.
	Somewhat, yes.
	Like, and I have an opinion for myself also.
	Okay.
	That's pretty much it.
	Like, I don't think there should be a ruling thumb.
	So I kind of want to jump off what you were saying.
	You don't think about it a lot.
	Honestly, when it comes to other people, I don't, I say they're either pretty or they're not pretty.
	Like, I can tell off the bat.
	When it comes to myself, though, I'm the opposite.
	I would think about this, like, all the time just because I have like struggles with like looking like lately.
	It's like, oh, I wish I looked more like Latina or I wish I looked more like what I am.
	So I don't know, kind of harsh on myself, but I'd say like right now about a five.
	Okay.
	Sarah?
	I think it's kind of a stupid question.
	I don't really like.
	I think beauty's subjective for the most part.
	So.
	That's true.
	Okay.
	Jake?
	Give myself a seven again.
	Hasn't ebbed off low.
	I give myself a five.
	Once I lose some weight, though, I'll be back to a six.
	That's nice.
	Let's go.
	wait so remind me what you said right you said i just said in general i'm not a big fan of the one to ten concept like scaling system and i've And I've heard you say many times you're very objective about this and you're very intense about making sure people know that attractiveness is objective and it's on a one to ten scale and you use Victoria's Secret models as like your base.
	I think that was Jake.
	I used Victoria Secret Models as like a...
	Although, have you seen some of the Victoria Secret Models lately?
	I have.
	I haven't.
	It's like, have you seen the fucking Calvin Klein?
	You know, the obese Calvin Klein models.
	Oh, they've gone to work, have they?
	Victoria Secrets.
	I get I haven't said it.
	Yeah, yeah.
	That's actually perfect for what my point is.
	Because once you create this top thing, like you mentioned actresses or Victoria Secret models, suddenly that's like the standard that women have to look to, like all of us would look to say, like, oh, I'm like a five compared to this person's name.
	And as you just pointed out, Victoria's Secret models can change all the time.
	And the concept of who's the same thing.
	But it's like the classic Victoria Secret models, like the Candace, and like back when they had the runways when people actually had legs to walk down the aisle.
	And now it's like obese people in a wheelchair posing a mingerie.
	Honestly, I don't think either side is really that good, honestly, because what we saw is like a complete like 180 to like what Victoria secret models like classically are.
	So I totally agree with that.
	Like I don't think we need to go from like anorexia to you know full obesity.
	I'm saying to put that as like the height of your scale and like mention women's names who are famous doesn't work in my opinion because someone can become famous who isn't conventionally attractive.
	But now we see that women are not afraid of the people who are not.
	We're not saying people who are famous.
	We're saying that these ladies who are typically seen as the most beautiful women in the world, the Victoria Secret supermodels.
	There's a whole bunch of swanapole.
	I don't really know too much about this world, if I'm honest, but that's just what I sort of saw.
	I think mostly it's females who they tend to appeal to, the Victoria Secret supermodels, because females are obviously the ones who are buying this.
	But, you know, they're pretty attractive as well to men.
	So I think that beauty is something that we can quantify.
	You can tell if someone's ugly.
	You can tell if someone's beautiful.
	And you can look at all sorts of statistics on dating apps as well, the kinds of people that people swipe on.
	I think there's definitely certain objective things that make someone attractive or not attractive.
	But in general, a scaling system is my issue.
	Because putting someone on like a number scale where there's like a one in the ten and you're using examples of like people you particularly find attractive.
	Because there could be like a woman you put a picture in front of both of you and one of you guys is like, the other one's like, people have types.
	Sure, there's types, but I mean, for example, so we're not far from UCSB here.
	And I think the, you go to UCSB, correct?
	Right.
	I mean, there's 20,000 undergrads or something like that.
	Probably about 12,000 of those, because there's more women who go to college, but 12,000 of those are women.
	And I think if you asked all the male undergrads, like, okay, rank every single woman at this university.
	Like, and if you had 10,000 men and you put you put all the, it would take fuck a long fucking time to do this, but you had them rank them, there would probably be like people would start like moving more towards the top.
	You know, there'd be some more towards the bottom.
	So I mean, I think you can, if you were to survey people, people would come to some degree of consensus.
	Now, do some people have certain types?
	Would some people, you know, I would say probably, and if people were being honest in their rankings and their ratings, I would say most people are going to be able to put someone within plus or minus a point, typically.
	Maybe plus or minus two.
	But you will have a generalized sort of graph there.
	A general consensus of like what there's a beauty standard for a reason.
	Now, let's, I mean, when it comes to like, you know, it's kind of perhaps super, I don't know, I don't want to put words in your mouth, but you said it's, you don't see the point of like actually ranking somebody using this sort of scale.
	I know you're currently in a relationship right now.
	I mean, maybe looks don't matter a whole lot to you, but how tall is your boyfriend?
	He's 5'8.
	How tall are you?
	5' like 3'4?
	5'3' or 4'4?
	Okay, and I mean, you've dated people before him, correct?
	No.
	Oh, he's been your only partner?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	You've been on first dates at all, or you've just like accidentally afterwards.
	Like, I guess that was a date, but not really now.
	Okay, you're 24, correct?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	This is your first relationship.
	So from like 18 to 22, you've pretty much been single.
	Is that correct?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	No first dates during that period?
	No.
	Okay.
	Well, in that case.
	I don't really believe in dating.
	This might not hit totally as I'd liked it to, but do you have any height preference for a man?
	High preference?
	Height preference.
	Oh, height preference, sorry.
	No.
	No height preference.
	I mean, so you wouldn't like.
	Okay, to be fair, I've never thought about it because I just met the person I'm with and I never thought about it ever again.
	Okay.
	So perhaps you're an outlier in this regard, but would you agree that most women tend to have a height preference and tend to prefer men who are tall?
	Yes.
	I think you miscalculated my position before when you said I don't care about attractiveness or whatever.
	I do.
	I'm saying you mentioned the point about the Santa Barbara College and ranking people tens of thousands of votes and everything.
	I would agree on my analysis if I was put into that pool and someone said like, oh, based on the rankings, you're like a six or five or whatever.
	I'd be like, okay.
	Because that's the opinions that was determined by statistics.
	I'd be like, sure, I'm a statistic now.
	But when you're asking me in a table, like, what do I think?
	I'm just going to be like, I don't know.
	Like, it doesn't, there's no statistic to tell me that.
	So I don't have to put myself in a number.
	Right.
	And I'm bringing this up because I want to ask Sarah here too.
	Sarah, do you have a height preference at all when it comes to men?
	How tall are you?
	I'm 5'9.
	Would you date a guy who's 5'7?
	I've dated a guy who's like 5'8.
	Would you prefer to date a guy who's a couple inches taller than you?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Well, I mean, so I mean, you said that the question task is stupid, to ask people to rate themselves on the scale of 1 to 10.
	But I mean, you're quite literally qualifying or disqualifying men based on a literal numerical metric, a numerical measurement, someone's height, which has absolutely no bearing on their capability to be a good partner to you.
	So, you know, this whole idea of this is being a stupid question.
	One, it's sort of like a check on someone's degree to which they can accurately self-assess their own physical attractiveness, which I think when it comes to dating is extremely important because, and I won't linger on it too long because I've talked about it plenty of times, but if you have an inaccurate self-assessment of your own attractiveness, you're going to tend to perhaps pursue men who...
	I don't pursue men.
	That's a good one.
	Okay, you don't pursue men.
	You, okay, you, to some degree you are competing for men though.
	No, I'm not.
	They're competing for me.
	You think that men are competing to get you, but you don't have competition with other women for a man that you might have to do?
	I wouldn't compete for a man.
	Like, I wouldn't go for a man that I had to compete for.
	I want a man that wants me to do that.
	Do you think that you have to do your hair and look nice and pretty and wear makeup and all these sorts of things so that you can look pretty, so that eventually one of the suitors might think that you're pretty?
	i want people to think i look good but that doesn't mean i i would like no but i wouldn't compete with other women from men if they're like Yeah, you naturally are.
	You don't have to say that you are or you're not.
	You just are.
	Wait, what?
	You just are.
	You don't have to say that you are or you're not.
	You just are because we exist in a marketplace.
	So that you're competing to look pretty, so that you can look pretty, so that men will find you attractive.
	And it's not that you're trying to elbow some bitches out of the way, but you just are naturally existing in the sexual marketplace.
	So men are going to find you attractive or unattractive due to their own type and due to how much effort you make.
	And you keep yourself in great shape.
	You look very pretty, which is fantastic.
	And you're putting yourself in a good posse in the marketplace.
	Would you agree?
	I guess so.
	I don't really look at it like a marketplace, though.
	It's not like a shopping center, but it's somewhere where you want to increase your value and you take certain steps to increase your value.
	And then you can attract the best buyer.
	I don't know.
	That's just not really my view on dating and relationships, is that it's a market and people have their own specific values.
	Because I think different people have different preferences.
	I want someone who has the same values as me and outlook on life and everything.
	So what I'm looking for in a man is maybe going to be different than what the average.
	Well, what are you looking for in a man?
	Like I want someone who shares the same values and beliefs as me.
	So on very specific things.
	Give me a most important thing.
	Does it?
	Well, Christianity, for sure, like someone who has a relationship with God.
	I think that's like the most important thing for me.
	So that's why I'm saying that's a completely different value system than maybe like the world has in this sexual marketplace.
	So would you say that a Christian man to you is more appealing than an atheist man?
	Yeah.
	Would you say that if we did look at the sexual marketplace or the dating marketplace as a marketplace, he would be of higher value to you.
	You'd be willing to do more to attract that man's attention.
	Yeah, but isn't that like more subjective though?
	Yeah, but it's a marketplace and I go to a personal marketplace, right?
	Yeah, exactly.
	But it is a marketplace though, because you are looking at men and their qualities and their features and you're making an assessment on them whether they're a good partner for you.
	And they're doing the same for you.
	So you're, you know, like I said before, keeping yourself in good shape, looking very pretty, and then men are going to judge you based on that and also your internal values as well.
	So I think we do exist in a marketplace, even though we don't want to look at it as somewhere where we can go and check out at the counter.
	It is more.
	Well, I do think I want to take back my answer earlier about beauty being subjective because I think it's kind of like I view it kind of 50% and with what you're saying too.
	Like part of it is people do have types and people do have specific preferences.
	Like a lot of people want to have people date people with the same values as them or whatever.
	Maybe they even just have specific interests that they're looking for.
	So, and same with attractiveness.
	Like what I might find attractive, someone might not find attractive at all.
	Like there's some guys that I've dated my friends that are like, oh, they're so ugly.
	But to me, right?
	And it's true.
	Everyone has different types.
	So I think it's like 50%, honestly.
	50% objective, but there's an element of subjectivity.
	Oh, I would agree.
	I think that beauty is something that's completely unexplainable by any sort of scientific metric.
	But it's also, like you said, I think beauty is very objective, but there's also a subjective nature to beauty as well because we find different things beautiful.
	But I also don't think that that necessarily detracts from the fact that we are sort of competing with each other.
	Not necessarily in a way that you're super conscious about.
	You're always thinking about, I've got to compete, got to compete.
	But, you know, there's a reason why you're not allowing yourself to get really fat, and there's a reason why you're not allowing yourself to look really ugly and why you might take care of yourself.
	That's because you want to present yourself nicely and present yourself nicely to men as well.
	To potential suitors.
	You're a young single lady, of course.
	Yeah.
	I don't know.
	I don't view it as a conscious competition, though.
	Yeah, I don't think most people view it like that.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	I would agree.
	Would you agree with that?
	I personally have never, yeah, I've never really thought about it that way.
	Before I met the person I'm with, I really never thought about dating much.
	I was focused on other things, and it didn't really appeal to me at all.
	I get what you guys are saying there because you guys hold yourself to a very high standard.
	And I can understand why you'd have that attitude where you're not thinking about it all the time.
	But I certainly agree that in a sense, the word marketplace is an interesting term to use for people, but I agree with that.
	I think it's kind of just the colloquial term that gets used in this space.
	It's the same as an intellectual marketplace.
	It's something that exists amongst a society where we're all eventually trying to populate the world.
	It's down to a science.
	It's true.
	Okay.
	Well, here, I'll do this one just to on the whole rate.
	Well, nobody was really claiming 10 or anything.
	I don't know if I have to go for it, but really quick, okay.
	Are you more attractive now or will you be more attractive in 10 years?
	Physically attractive?
	I mean, I think it's obvious.
	I'm women age, and I feel like a prime for a woman is 18 to 25.
	I'm 24, so what?
	I have one year left and then like it's down.
	Yeah, I mean, it's a sad thing to, you know, think about, but I mean, it is truth and it's biology, and it's 18 to 25 is prime time.
	Prime time.
	Yeah, prime time for babies for all of it.
	You know, I may not have this fast metabolism forever, but yeah, I think that I definitely will become unattractive in the next 10 years.
	But I think I've got two good years.
	It's not that you're going to be not attractive.
	It's just, are you more attractive now than you will be in 10 years?
	Oh, yeah, by like the second.
	As the seconds go on, I.
	It's all downhill.
	Okay.
	I don't know.
	I feel like when I'm 30, I'm going to have like big ass titties and be like a hot MILF.
	So I don't know.
	Check some MILF.
	Okay.
	So you're currently 20, so you think you'll be more physically attractive at 30 than you are now?
	Yeah.
	What about at 40?
	40?
	Prime, no, but hot, yeah.
	Still hot, but not.
	Okay, all right, okay.
	I guess not.
	Or I guess I would.
	So you're 28.
	Will you be more attractive at 38 or now at 28?
	I guess 28 because I'm not 18 to 25.
	I guess now.
	Okay.
	I personally don't think the prime is so short for women, but I know you guys probably disagree.
	But yeah, no, I'm hotter now than 38.
	What do you think the prime is?
	Just curious.
	I think for like, you know, I'm 28 and I was like very naive like when I was in my early 20s.
	Like I didn't know how to do myself up.
	Like I didn't know how to look good.
	And yes, technically, maybe my body was like, I don't even know what I did.
	Your body was better.
	I don't think it's changed that much.
	And I think I actually learned to be like more fit.
	Like it's, it's not like I'm falling apart.
	You know what I mean?
	I'm hot.
	What about you?
	Once again, I've never really thought about this, but if I'm now confronted with the question, I would say no, probably.
	Okay.
	I have no idea what I'm going to look like in 10 years.
	Well, I mean, knowing what you know about, you know, just the reality of aging and biology, you want to take a wager?
	Yeah, probably now.
	Not now.
	Let's say a year from now after I have been going to the gym and figured out my skincare.
	A year from now.
	So when I'm 20, I'll be in my prime.
	I really don't know.
	I think it's like 50-50 because right now I don't have that much time to work out or anything.
	So like if I'm 30, I'm thinking I'll have a lot more time to, I don't know, do Pilates and stuff, get toned up.
	So I might look better.
	And also have no money right now at all.
	So do you think money will help you become more physically attractive?
	Yeah.
	What about in 20 years' time?
	No, I think by that time.
	But 30?
	Like 30?
	You guys are acting like 30 is old.
	30 is not old.
	30 is hot as fuck.
	30 looks really good.
	I think a lot of women look better when they're 30 than 20.
	Like also.
	I think women.
	Okay.
	Also, like, I like milk.
	As you get older, you learn to do yourself up better, like you guys were saying.
	But okay, you have to understand, right?
	So when we're asking this question, it's not like at 20, you're just taking dog shit care of yourself.
	You don't know how to do your makeup.
	You're obese.
	And then 30, you're like a fitness model.
	You're the best at doing makeup.
	Your diet's the best.
	No, it's like you're optimum at 20 and you're optimum at 30.
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	Women's marketplace value is youth, physical appearance, purity, and a ability to have children.
	This is what defines your marketplace value.
	Feminism has failed you by telling you that you have time.
	I completely agree with that.
	Based.
	Very bad.
	Based grade one motorsports, dude.
	Good to see you in the chat, man.
	Thank you.
	I kind of agree with that, kind of disagree because, well, okay, obviously.
	With grid or what I just said, because I don't know what grid considers like a optimal time limit in which women still have value in youth and whatnot.
	Obviously, when you're 30, you're not as young as you used to be.
	There's going to be your prime, like you said, 18 through 25.
	But also, like, sorry to put you out on the spot here, mom, but my mom had me when I was 28.
	My mom had my youngest sister when she was like 32.
	So there is still time in the 30s.
	I think gagging on 30s, in a physical appearance, you guys are, you guys have some groundwork there.
	But when it comes to like the scientific fact, oh, yeah, women are attractive only when they can have children, there is time.
	like feminism isn't telling me this it's just my so you're saying that there's time to have children still Yeah.
	If you take care of yourself, obviously.
	There obviously is time to have children.
	But if you thought about it right now in terms of the attractiveness of a young woman who's got those years ahead of her as compared to 10 years' time, those years are going to be detractive.
	You're not going to have those years anymore.
	That's what I said.
	It's going to be much more difficult to have children.
	That's what I said when I agreed with you guys.
	But when I'm thinking about what his comment is saying, specifically on the children part, not in the attractiveness part, because I will say you're the younger, the more attractive.
	But I will say, I don't know, maybe you guys don't have a full concept of just how, like, just how far along in your life you can have a lot of money.
	No, you can have a motor sports donated $100.
	I was 35 when I married my wife who was 24.
	I consciously avoided women over 30.
	Too many bodies, too much baggage, too many disqualifiers.
	So what we were saying before, and I think pretty based, but what we was saying in terms of having children, as a woman gets past 25, it starts to go down a little bit.
	And then as a woman gets past 30, it starts to go quite significantly down.
	And then 35 is very difficult to have children.
	So between 20 and 24, I mean, it's actually younger than that would be the ideal time to have children if you're looking at biologically.
	And then after 25, you're pretty good.
	But then when you get past 30, it starts to really taper off.
	And especially conditions with children, children having things like Down syndrome becomes much higher.
	Well, yeah, I know that, but I'm just saying it's not impossible.
	And like you said, past 35, I would say past 35, but if we're talking specifically about just like 30, even like 31, 32.
	Yeah.
	It's still a possibility.
	I mean, it's not impossible to say.
	I didn't say it was impossible.
	Yeah, we're not arguing this.
	I mean, women can have children into their late 30s, early 40s.
	Like Jake was saying, though, it does start declining.
	I mean, and once you get past 35, I think that's when you get into high-risk pregnancy territory.
	Much greater likelihood of miscarriages.
	There is a greater likelihood of birth defects, that sort of thing.
	But yes, women can certainly get pregnant into their late 30s, early 40s.
	Perhaps even, I mean, pretty low percentage, but mid-40s, they can.
	But I think the fertility thing, that's more so like an evo, evo-psych, biological reason for why men are more attracted to younger adult women.
	But yeah.
	Did you have more, Jake?
	No, I agree with you in terms of that women can have children then.
	So it's not like they just sort of like lose all their value at 25.
	I think that women above 25 can have children, can have an immense amount of value.
	However, if you look at it from a man who's wanting to start a family, maybe wanting to have three, four, five, six, thirteen children like me, then I'd probably look at a little bit younger, 22, 23 sort of thing.
	How old are you?
	28.
	Yeah.
	I wanted to ask Grid, right?
	The last comment that came up?
	He said he was 35 and he married someone who's 24.
	I would just ask, why did you wait so long to get married?
	Like, what were you doing all that time?
	Why didn't you get married when you were 24?
	Well, I have a bit of backstory actually on Grid.
	So maybe, I mean, if he wants to come in with another one, but I'll let you know.
	So Grid, for his early 20s, he was in the Peace Corps.
	Yeah.
	And so he was like in Mozambique fucking building houses and shit and wells.
	Then he came back and then he got into stocks.
	And he was focused on stock investments.
	And he sold oil future.
	You know, there's oil futures.
	He invested heavily in that.
	He made a fucking ton.
	So he didn't prioritize having a family and having kids.
	Yes, he was very much very focused on oil futures.
	And then he's like, he does racing.
	He's Talladega Knights type shit.
	Like he sells helmets as well.
	Yeah.
	Very productive.
	I like that.
	Yes.
	And he's also a hunter.
	Here's me.
	A bounty hunter.
	A bounty hunter.
	It was hard for him.
	No, this is all true.
	He was a bounty hunter.
	No, he was a big bad guy.
	He was a bounty hunter.
	So he's going from city to city trying to catch the bad guys.
	And it's just very hard for bounty hunters.
	I have a lot that contact me who reach out to me asking for advice on dating.
	How do you date on the road while trying to catch criminals?
	And it's tough.
	It's tough.
	That's beautiful.
	Yeah, it's very beautiful.
	Thank you.
	Brian, are you a high-value man?
	Wait, where did that come from?
	I'm just wondering.
	Well, I sort of object to, like, for example, like terms like alpha male, beta male, high-value man, low-value man.
	I kind of object to those sorts of terms.
	But I mean, to actually engage with your question.
	Hey, can you guys be quiet back there?
	To actually engage with your question, I think in some dimensions of human achievement.
	Oh, well, okay, I'll let you know.
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	Men build themselves up to have a family, and good men do not have a family until they can afford them.
	I had nothing to offer a woman beyond the bad attitude at 24, but at 35 I was a full-grown man.
	Build themselves up.
	Good men do not have a family.
	Yeah, I guess there's a little longer incubation period for men.
	If women want providers, men need to become providers.
	It takes them a bit of time.
	So I think to answer your question, am I a high-value man?
	Not in all realms.
	I mean, I think certainly there's some realms of human endeavor I'd like to improve on.
	I think in certain realms, I would consider myself yes, but in totality, I'd say it's hard to really answer that question.
	And again, I preface this by saying I don't like those kind of categorizations, high-value man, low-value man, because that sort of exists on the spectrum.
	But like, for example, my fitness is not where I'd like it to be right now.
	And I think, you know, that's one dimension that I'm lacking in.
	But when it comes to, for example, my career success or my finances, I think I'm doing fairly well.
	So there's that.
	And then I think I'd like to think I have my head on fairly straight.
	I don't smoke, don't do drugs, have no debts, don't smoke.
	Don't drink, don't smoke, don't do drugs, don't party, don't go to bars, don't have really any vices.
	So I think in those dimensions I'm doing quite well.
	Do you agree with the whole red pill thing that it's like good for men to sleep around and it makes you have a higher value as a man if you're sleeping around and have a ton of bodies?
	So I don't think promiscuity is good in men or women.
	I do think it when men and women are promiscuous, I do think that there are differences there.
	I do think that it can certainly have a negative impact on both, but I do think that the negative impact tends to be more significant in women than in men.
	I'm not saying that it's all smooth for men who are promiscuous, but I certainly think there are differences between the genders.
	I'm not in favor of promiscuity in either sex.
	I will say though that I do think it is the case that to be broadly attractive to women, you're going to have to have a much higher degree of relational dating and relationship experience than the reverse.
	So I think that a man who lacks experience with women is going to be probably deemed sexual experience, like the number of partners.
	If the woman's a virgin, then it probably won't matter.
	But once a woman's lost her virginity and if she's had a few sexual partners, a man lacking in that department is actually going to be a pretty, could be a pretty big deal breaker for a wide swath of women.
	I don't think it requires a man to sleep with 50 or 100 women to become sexually experienced.
	But I think, for example, like even very sexually experienced men may very well prefer women who are not sexually experienced.
	They might find that attractive or sexually arousing, whereas the reverse is very rarely the case.
	Sexually experienced women are repulsed by men who are virgins.
	I feel like most high value men look for women who are not experienced.
	I feel like high value men in this world look for, or at least in my opinion, I feel like if I, when I think what does a high value man want, 18 to 25, virgin, thin, woman of God, no tattoos.
	I feel like it's different.
	Like for me personally, I'm not necessarily looking for a high value man, but I would want someone, a man that has a little bit of experience.
	But I feel like from a man's perspective, when they're looking for like the woman of their dreams, they would find a woman that doesn't know anything about it.
	Kind of depends.
	I think we maybe need to define high-value man though a little bit better.
	Do I define high-value man?
	Some people would look at a high-value man as a guy who's like sort of in Dubai with a Maserati and sort of has all these chicks.
	I wouldn't say that's a high-value man.
	But some people would look at, I like, I look at, for example, Michael Knowles, who was on the podcast last week.
	I think he's a high-value man just because he carries himself so well and he's a husband and I think he's a father now as well.
	I look at guys who are fathers who have been in a relationship for a while and who have been a good leader of their family as high value men and especially good leaders of their community.
	I think leadership is sometimes having experience with women does come in handy with that.
	So it's just one of those realities of the world we live in right now.
	Yeah, I think there's a, you know, people say there's a double standard, but I think there's a double standard for a reason.
	Men and women are very, very different.
	And I personally don't see an issue with a man going around and being with a bunch of women.
	Even, you know, my ex who I dated, he would go see other women every now and then.
	And I never really had a problem with it.
	I didn't think that there was an issue with it.
	I think it's normal.
	But as a woman, I feel like there's just this system in place where like you just, you can't.
	I feel like it's wrong, which is the way that I feel.
	Your position is that women don't want women want men to be experienced and go with a bunch of women, but you would prefer not to go and do that because that's part again?
	So, your position is that you value men who go out and make an experience with other women?
	No, I don't.
	I think it doesn't matter.
	I don't look at man and I'm like, you want to preserve yourself for the man you're with.
	Is that what you're saying?
	I mean, I have not preserved myself in the best way, but I think ideally, though, like if that's what your view is.
	If I'm in a relationship with a man, I think that I mean, I am 100% loyal.
	I am purely just with the one man that I'm with.
	I think that from his area, I feel like it's okay for him to do it.
	I feel like men and women, love and lust are very different emotions.
	And for me personally, as a woman, when I have any sort of sexual interaction with someone, it's emotional.
	Whether it's a friend or it's in a relationship, there is emotion there.
	And to me, I could never give my emotion to someone else if I'm in a relationship.
	As a man, I feel like it's much easier for a man to go out and have a casual hookup and there'd be absolutely no emotions.
	For a woman, it's not.
	It is easier for them, but do you think that's okay?
	Do you think that's right?
	Just because it's harder for a man to separate his emotions from sexual desires, that he should just go out and do it just because it's easier?
	I mean, it's not something I would want, but I think you have that standard, though.
	Like, if that's what you want, if you want your man to have the standard to look at you emotionally, not just like sexually, that like he should live up to that.
	Like, there's men out there that aren't just gonna like succumb to their opponent tended to their desires and just do that.
	There's actually men out there who do see sex as an emotional connection, an emotional bond, and they're not gonna just do it with random women just because they can.
	Just because you can do something doesn't mean you should do something.
	I think if you're in a relationship and it's emotional and you love the other person, there really isn't time.
	I would not be able to give my emotions away to someone else.
	Even if I've tried, I don't think that I could physically give my love and emotion to someone else.
	So, I know that that won't happen, even if he does want to go be with another woman.
	I know that that emotion won't go anywhere, that I'm solid and I'm secure where I am in the relationship, and I'm I wouldn't necessarily mind it.
	And you don't want that same thing reciprocated to you?
	What do you mean?
	Well, so you're saying you have this great loyalty, and that's beautiful.
	I'm wondering why you wouldn't want to see that in the person you're with.
	I would, 100%.
	I think loyalty is important.
	I think that I get my validation in different ways than my ex-boyfriend would get his validation.
	My validation would be I would post a cute selfie on Snapchat or maybe even a bikini picture on Instagram, and people would comment and be like, oh, you look so cute.
	That's my sense of validation.
	I think that his sense of validation would be going out and maybe flirting or having a one-night stand.
	Do you think that having a one-night stand is more harmful than posting a cute pic on Instagram?
	Like, in terms of he's bonding.
	You're not a person chemically, you're posting a photo on Instagram.
	I don't think there's necessarily a chemical bond.
	I think that it's just well, scientifically there is.
	So, are you denying that science or are you just kind of?
	No, I'm not denying the science.
	I think it's just the way that I feel.
	I don't necessarily know.
	You guys are kind of talking past each other a little bit as well.
	Because if you look at the dating market at the moment, especially in terms of like the atheist world that we live in, so you look at dating as like a man and a woman in a unity under God.
	Would I be right in saying that?
	Of course.
	Yep.
	He created all of us.
	Exactly right.
	I would agree with you.
	However, in the market that we live in at the moment, especially with women's sexual hypergamy, there's a bunch of men who are sort of at the top who are getting all of the attention.
	And this is borne out on all the sort of dating apps and all this sort of thing.
	So I think what we're seeing is sort of a return to polygamy in a way where women are saying, I'm okay with my man going and sleeping with other women because I want the highest value man.
	I know it might be very difficult for you guys to comprehend, but I think that you'd be very surprised how often this is happening.
	I think that monogamy is destroying relationships with each other.
	I think I was trying to understand what, like, literally what your view is, so I'm actually really curious.
	I think that, yeah, I think monogamy is one of the reasons why the divorce rates are so high.
	Monogamy is not natural.
	For me, as a woman, I don't need to go out and be with another man or flirt with another man or get another man's attention or sleep with another man if I'm in a relationship.
	I don't need that.
	I don't even want that.
	I think that I don't know why, but I feel like men, as time goes on and you're with your wife or you're with your woman, and there's like, you know, the woman has kids and she's spending all of her time with her children.
	And then it's the man doesn't get any love or attention.
	I think that that's why divorce rates are so high.
	Families are falling apart.
	And monogamy is not natural.
	I don't, but for me as a woman, I'm not, I don't care.
	I'm going to be loyal to my husband.
	I'm going to be 100% obedient and submissive at all times.
	And that's just how I.
	So if you go into a marriage knowing that there's a chance that you're like accepting the fact that this man's going to get bored with you after you have his children, like you mentioned her children, it's their children, right?
	Like it's his children too.
	If you're like kind of expecting it almost based on like what I'm gathering from your current position of dating, if you were to marry a man like that, honestly, it seems like it wouldn't be shocking at all.
	And therefore, that is why the divorce rate is so high.
	But if you enter a marriage, both being on the complete same page, that divorce is completely off the table, that like that's what marriage is about.
	It's not dating.
	Dating, you can break up.
	Marriage, why are we breaking up?
	The whole point is you're bonded for life.
	So if you both enter that marriage with that understanding, you both have that understanding.
	Whereas your position seems to be that you have that loyalty, but you're okay with the man not having that loyalty and you kind of expect him to get bored after a few years.
	I wouldn't say that it's not loyal.
	I think it's just biology.
	I think it's the way that men are engineered very low view of men.
	Like men are not of making an emotional connection with you.
	Oh, they are 100%.
	And they can be loyal to you.
	That's love and lust.
	Those are very different.
	But don't you think if a man really loves you, he's going to be loyal to you?
	Like, love's an action.
	Of course.
	Of course, my man will be loyal to me.
	I know that.
	Did I just say that you let him cheat on you?
	That I don't consider cheating as a part of loyalty from a man.
	That's the way that I view it.
	Can I jump in?
	You say, okay, and this is coming from the Christian girl.
	You say monogamy is not natural, but God gave Adam one wife, one wife, and they had their kids, and then they each had their own wives.
	And I know in the Old Testament, you know, everyone used to have a million wives and whatnot.
	But in the beginning, before all of that, God gave Adam Eve.
	And, you know, she kind of like screwed us all over, but we're not going to talk about that.
	But also, like, if you don't consider that cheating, that's all right.
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	As a man married 18 years, monogamy is natural.
	And men who cheat are low class.
	Monogamy is not ruining marriages.
	This idea that women can divorce a man because they are bored and get paid for it.
	I okay, I'll come back to that.
	I just wanted to say, like, you can have your opinion on what cheating is, what cheating not is.
	I mean, but why would you want that for yourself?
	Like, you're putting in all this time, putting all this effort, and he's not giving it back.
	Like, it doesn't make it sense how you can be happy with that if you're putting in all this effort.
	It's like, it's like on a scale.
	You're doing a lot.
	And he goes and he like treats you as if you're like replaceable.
	And I don't know.
	I think the whole like men are biologically like promiscuous.
	Like they should have their needs fulfilled, blah, Yes, a relationship is give and take.
	Yes, men do have sexual needs that they need to be satisfied with their partner.
	But once you commit to one person, you need to stick to that commitment.
	Like, this is all about making choices, making decisions, and sticking to them.
	I don't care if you have, oh my god, oh my god, I literally like I need to like go hook up with this girl.
	You don't need it, okay?
	You want it, and you make the conscious decision to go and do it.
	You make a conscious decision to go and cheat on your partner.
	It's not okay.
	For me, I see where you're coming from.
	It's not okay.
	It's, you know, that's how your sense of loyalty is.
	For me, if that, I feel like I have that, I hold this sense of being so submissive that maybe it rubs, I feel like it rubs some people the wrong way.
	If my man wants to go cheat on me and wants to go be with another woman and that would make him happy, then I want him to do that.
	My world revolves around exactly what my man wants and what he needs.
	Do you have a high value of yourself?
	Like, would you say you have a lot of self-worth?
	I wouldn't necessarily say that I have a lot of self-worth.
	I think I'm pretty realistic.
	I think one of the big issues with modern dating is that a lot of women have this distorted sense of value.
	They think that they're way more valuable than they really are.
	I know my value.
	I'm not a virgin.
	I'm not 18.
	I'm not a 10 out of a 10.
	I'm not some tall, blonde, thin, you know, Swedish girl.
	I know where I stand and I know my expectations of what's realistic and what I think that I deserve.
	I'm not saying that I think I'm going to get some high-value man.
	I know where I am.
	It's like the food chain in the wild.
	Like, there's lions, then you have your gazelles and cheetahs, and there's a whole order to everything.
	And I know where I'm at.
	What's most important for you in terms of what a man brings to the table?
	What I would want a man to bring to the table, I need a sense of control from a man.
	I don't necessarily like making my own decisions.
	I don't really, I think a sense of control, I think dominance, masculinity, true masculinity.
	Resources.
	Pardon?
	Resources.
	You want a man to have resources?
	Sure.
	Yeah, I think resources are important.
	I have this thing where I kind of like being a pet in a sense.
	I don't really want to make my own decisions.
	I just kind of want to be told what to do.
	I look for leadership and guidance, experience, intelligence.
	I think those are really, really important.
	Also, financial stability, I think, is important.
	I mean, I think nobody really wants to work.
	Working sucks.
	As much as I wouldn't necessarily agree, I do think that I don't see any moral inconsistency with what you're saying because in the world that we live in right now, the dating culture is totally screwed.
	It's awful.
	Yeah, and if you want a guy who's masculine and strong and like sort of alpha type guy, has resources and all of that, then you're going to need to probably look at a guy who isn't a Christian or isn't a God-fearing man.
	And I look for a man who believes in God as well, or a follower of Jesus Christ.
	Not necessarily religion, but believes in Jesus Christ.
	No, no offense or anything, but like they wouldn't really look at an OnlyFans girl.
	Just realistically, they might.
	No, you're right.
	They wouldn't.
	They might do.
	I mean, there might be some out there.
	But realistically, with the position that you're in, you've put yourself in with doing OnlyFans and this.
	It's obviously your choice.
	You've put yourself in a position where you are looking at the sorts of men that would cheat on you because you're not really looking at a man who puts morals and principles before anything.
	You're absolutely right.
	I think my definition of a high-value man is someone who would never even look in my direction.
	That's not what I'm looking for.
	I know what I deserve and I know the kind of man that I will probably end up being with and I'm happy with that.
	I'm comfortable with that.
	Just because I want these things doesn't mean I know or feel that I deserve them.
	I know that what I've done in the past, you know, has had a little bit of an effect on the men that I would, you know, bring into my life, and I'm okay with that.
	I'm comfortable with that.
	Do you think that your value changes based on the things that you do in life?
	Like, absolutely.
	If you do really bad things, but then you change your life, are you just the same person you were back then?
	Or can you change?
	I think that's a good question.
	I think that's a pretty vague, not vague, sorry.
	A pretty broad question.
	I mean, I think if you grew up and you didn't believe in God and then you found God and you changed, I think, yes, that's great.
	But if you killed someone and like, then you want to, you know, say, oh, sorry, I think, can you make it like that?
	I just mean in the sense that you mentioned you know your value is, and then you listed like your physical appearance, your age, and like these things that change over time that aren't innate to like your soul and like who you are as a person.
	And like when you talk about value towards a man and like what a man looks for in you, don't you want that man to look towards you, like yourself, and not like the things that you are, the things that you chose and maybe you walk away from?
	I do, and you're right, there are some things I didn't list.
	I think, I mean, I make really good food.
	I think that's something that gives me value.
	I love cooking.
	I love cleaning.
	I think the things that I would bring to the table that aren't necessarily my appearance would be submission, obedience, really good food, cooking, cleaning.
	I love to listen.
	I take direction very well.
	I'm a good listener.
	And then I had one other question for you because I was really curious about this.
	You said that you were looking for a man who can control you because you don't want to make your own decisions and a man who is intelligent, right?
	Yes.
	But you also said you are totally fine with your man.
	In some ways, it could be good that he goes out and receives things from other women and does things with other women.
	Do you think that a man who goes around and does that is an intelligent man?
	I do.
	So he's making intelligent decisions by being a bunch of different women.
	What if he impregnates them?
	Is that a smart move?
	I think it's pretty stupid if a guy does that.
	I would have confidence in my man that he would not put himself in a situation to give it a possibility to impregnate a woman.
	I hope that he would be responsible.
	But like having sex, there's always a small chance.
	There is.
	I think there's ways to be pretty sure that you won't.
	Depends what you mean by intelligent as well, though.
	Possibly with vasectomy after wondering her gauge of intelligence.
	After I have children and vasectomy.
	Lots of men who are not God-fearing men and who have certain values inside of a relationship that would be considered intelligent men.
	What do you mean by intelligent?
	Well, that's why I'm asking her because she said she wants an intelligent man, but she also said she wants a man who would, if he's not getting what he wants from her, he would go out and do it with other people.
	So I'm saying like those don't really.
	But there's a premise, there's like a premise to your question that suggests that a man who does that can't be intelligent.
	That's what I was getting to.
	So a man who cheats is not a smart man?
	Absolutely not.
	No.
	Of course not.
	What do you mean by intelligent?
	Well, there's multiple reasons for it.
	If you are promiscuous, you're not only harming yourself by bonding with all those different women, scientifically, there's going to be negative consequences of that.
	Also, you mentioned pregnancy.
	And you're saying that, oh, that would never happen.
	He would do those certain precautions.
	But you see where there's this path you're going down?
	Like as soon as a man walks out of your house and says, bye, I'm no longer committed to you.
	I'm going to go do whatever I want.
	There's going to be negative consequences to that.
	Do you think that there are lots of men in high positions in society who would do that?
	Absolutely.
	Do you think that they're intelligent?
	Not in that way.
	Absolutely not.
	Not in that way.
	So you have to be a bit more specific when you say intelligent, though.
	Well, that's exactly what I'm talking about.
	I just define that that decision would be unintelligent.
	So there's sexual intelligence.
	Within the bounds of a relationship, you think they're unintelligent.
	I think that people are not intelligent.
	Because you can have a 180 IQ and still cheat.
	Well, I think that if he's going to be unintelligent in that way, he might be unintelligent in other ways.
	Maybe he runs a business and he also looks like a lot of people.
	If he's got a 190 IQ, then he's very, maybe he's book smart, but he's not smart with you.
	I think maybe wisdom is like a better term.
	Wise wisdom.
	Wise is a much better term.
	I'm not mentioning intelligent because she mentioned the word intelligent.
	So I was just kind of going off of like her, what she defined as intelligent.
	I have a question on Carl.
	He can be intelligent.
	Sarah, before you ask that question, you asked me a question.
	I responded.
	Good questions, by the way.
	Do you want to go back to that?
	Because I think you were asking me, well, what do you think about this whole thing about, well, it's okay for men to be promiscuous, but not for women?
	And I responded to you there, and then the conversation went on from there.
	Did you want to respond to me?
	Trying to remember.
	That was a little while ago.
	Well, I think it depends on your worldview, like from the Christian worldview.
	Like for me, I would not want a promiscuous man.
	For me, that's low value.
	It's like you don't have morals.
	But I was wondering if you think like, I guess you were saying it was good for men to have sexual experience.
	Is that what you're saying?
	I mean, I could reiterate my answer.
	I don't think promiscuity is good in men or women.
	I think the negatives are more, tend to manifest themselves a little bit more in women than they do in men.
	Again, I'm not saying that's good in men, but there are differences between the sexes.
	And I think one example that I could perhaps give is that I think, for example, when it comes to somebody's body count, I think women are much more, say, forgiving of a man's promiscuity or high body count.
	I find that generally speaking, most women don't seem to really care all that much or as much as men seem to care about body count.
	And I mean, if given the option, like if we gave you a scenario, for example, we could perhaps ask the entire table here, okay, so would you prefer dating a man who's 30, who makes $500,000 a year, who's confident and well put together, but he's slept with 70 other women compared to a guy who, same age, nothing weird about him,
	but he's not quite as confident and he makes $10,000 a year and he slept with zero women.
	A lot of women are going to probably accept the high body count of that hyper-successful man over the guy who makes $10,000 a year, whose sexual purity or virtue is intact.
	Now, if you reverse it, though, you give men the option of dating a woman who makes $500,000 a year, but she has a significant body count.
	What did I say, 50 or 70 or something like that?
	And compare it to a woman who is not indebted, but she doesn't make a lot of money.
	Most men are going to pick the, let's say she's a virgin.
	I think most men are going to prefer the virgin.
	I feel like men don't care how much money women make.
	They don't really.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, like what you say something that would make the woman higher value, like the way that the man makes $500,000.
	Like what would be the one?
	Young and virgin.
	Okay, okay.
	18, 25, virgin, not fat.
	Pleasant.
	Pleasant brings you peace.
	I'd pick the king cook personally.
	Can cook.
	You'd pick the 10K.
	All day.
	You can always get higher in your career, but you can't take back all of the promiscuity that you had and all the chemical bonding that you already had with him.
	Yeah, I think the body count would say a lot more about his character than the 10K.
	But at the same time, like 10K is like, how are you only making 10K?
	Maybe so.
	Like, I made more than 10K and I'm not even working full-time.
	So I would question his competence just as a person.
	But we can like, this could be.
	He has to be really stupid, I think.
	Or just no work ethic.
	This could be tested out, for example.
	Like, who do you, of the two men that I, like, generally speaking, which one do you think is going to be more, like, successful in the dating marketplace?
	The first one with the high body count.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Like, despite your specific value set, like, which one do you think will be more successful in, like, in the marketplace, yes, but not according to my personal values.
	Okay.
	Which just tells you the marketplace is really, really bad.
	And just not his value, please.
	That's a fair assessment.
	But would his high body count indicate in this situation that he was going to cheat on me?
	Or would I know that he's a good guy and it's just his past?
	And it's a good question, actually, because it kind of depends on where the guy's at at the moment that you arrive at that.
	And if he's somebody who's sort of reined it in a little bit, then he's making a conscious effort to do that.
	But if he's still sort of just throwing it around, then that's obviously a red flag.
	It's a bad intention.
	In terms of cheating?
	Yeah.
	But I feel like men can cheat and not have the emotion behind it.
	I feel like it's more of a feminine.
	If they don't fear God, they will do that.
	If they don't what?
	If they don't fear God, they can do that and not have any accountability.
	But a religious man will not want, he'll like, you know, you won't be able to sleep at night.
	So you don't think that a religious man can go out and cheat on his wife?
	And he can, and it does happen.
	But if you actually have a relationship with God and if you're actually in tune with it, then have you ever, he wouldn't have read this.
	I was going to say Dostoevsky's Crime and Punishment.
	It's a book about the human conscience and the fact that it just eats away.
	I fucking love Dostoevsky.
	Oh, yeah.
	Very nice.
	He fucking loves Dostoevsky.
	He's the man.
	Yeah, who is in the name of the man?
	He's the shit.
	Wait, actually, this kind of brings up a.
	Oh, sorry, did you want to continue with your point?
	No, I was just saying, I think that's a, it's a like.
	So, for example me, I've come into faith over the last few years, and I was.
	I was never a choir boy growing up, you know, from my teenage years, early 20s, and I've had my experiences, so back then I would have been a bad bet, but now, as I've come into it a little bit more and as I've developed a relationship with God and I've sort of gotten more tuned in and plugged in with other men who are sort of Christians, it's helped me a lot.
	Not perfect by anyone's imagination, but you know it's.
	It's helped.
	Jake, your view on this okay, when it comes to cheating and I don't I don't think cheating is good, whether it's a man or a woman doing it.
	If you cheat, that's wrong, no matter what.
	I do think though, that there is a tendency.
	The reasons why men and women cheat are different.
	Would you agree with that?
	Yes absolutely yeah, and I think.
	I think it could be said that when a woman cheats, like that's the end of the relationship, the thought in terms of, in terms of how she views her partner.
	But if a man cheats now again if, if that's a deal breaker for the woman, absolutely.
	But I think a man cheating doesn't necessarily indicate that, like if a woman cheats on you, she's not in love with you, it's over, it's done, she doesn't like, but like I think she doesn't respect you anymore.
	She doesn't respect you anymore, it's gone, like it's done.
	Whereas I do think and again, I'm not saying cheating is good, I'm not in favor of Cheating, but the differences are different.
	And I do think men will cheat purely on like a physical urge level without any emotion being involved.
	Whereas, like, if a woman cheats, I think there's like it's like way fucking heavier.
	It is way heavier.
	It just makes it sound like men are like terrible, though.
	Like, it makes it sound like men don't have a way to have an emotional connection with the person that they're with.
	That you would say that if a woman cheats, oh man, she's like, she doesn't respect me at all.
	But if a man cheats, I'm not going to have that same reaction.
	Of course, if a woman cheats, there's no reason.
	I think your reaction is totally understandable if a man cheats on you.
	And if that's like your value set, particularly.
	However, the act of having sex for a man and a woman is just two different things.
	The act of a woman opening herself up and letting a man inside, it's like a very, very submissive act as well.
	And the thought for a man of your girl being submissive in that way to another man is just, it's horrifying.
	And I can understand it would be the same for you.
	I think it comes back to how does the man value sex?
	Because if you're saying that a woman is like, oh, this is like the big important thing, and that's why it's worse when she cheats on somebody.
	Why doesn't the man think of it the same way?
	If a man thought of sex the same way that you're claiming women do, that we see it this high value, like, you know, if she cheats on me, then like it's the end of the world.
	Why can't men value sex the same way?
	That it's giving of yourself.
	Yeah, I mean, ideally, we would.
	Because then you would see your partner as like, you're the only person I will ever do this with.
	I can't even imagine doing it with someone else.
	Yeah, if the world was perfect, that would be the way it is.
	I know, I'm just saying that to make it social.
	Do you think that men and women having sex are like terrible people?
	Do you think that women and men having sex are the same?
	Do you think it's biologically the same?
	No, and I think that's why, actually, to the point you were making before, how you're okay with a man cheating on you.
	I think, if anything, if we actually agree that men having sex is different than women, then it shows loyalty and commitment and dedication even more.
	And you can fall more in love with somebody knowing that they're not doing the thing that you claim biologically they're meant to do for yourself.
	You would rather him not have sex with anyone else, yeah?
	I mean, of course, that's what I would wish for, but I don't necessarily want to make that decision for him.
	Because it shows willpower that a man may maybe you think this isn't always true, but let's pretend this man is like sex like driven, that's all he's thinking about.
	If he can stop himself from doing that for the sake of like a relationship, for the sake of your soul, for the sake of his own soul, that's so much more powerful, though.
	It's so much more powerful than just going and doing it, you know, and then saying that he's better, a high-value man, because he has experience.
	It doesn't make sense to me.
	It doesn't add up.
	I think just because sex between men and women are different doesn't mean that it makes it more or less okay for one of them to cheat on the other.
	That's not what we're arguing, though.
	We're just having a conversation of the reasons why men and women cheat can be different.
	I think men are different.
	I already preface it by saying cheating is not acceptable.
	It's wrong.
	And as a woman, if you want to break up with your guy for cheating, totally acceptable.
	Vice versa, totally fine.
	But I think we can all agree, like, there are certainly differences between men and women, and the reasons why a man might cheat may very well differ for the reasons why a woman might cheat.
	For example, a man might be more motivated by simply satisfying certain physical or sexual urges, where a woman may be, and this could even be the reverse, but a woman may be more inclined to cheat because, bro, it's the end of the relationship and there's some emotional connection with another person.
	I'm not saying it's right or wrong.
	I'm just saying the reasons why which could vary quite differently.
	Which is why, like, for example, I think it may be the case that it's more likely that a man could, and again, I think it's wrong, but a man could cheat on his girlfriend or wife and still absolutely be in love with her.
	Whereas I think the reverse, I don't think it really plays out that way.
	Again, I'm not saying cheating is good.
	I'm just saying the motivations there are different.
	But unfaithfulness is like the definition of not loving somebody, though.
	It's literally love like some kind of mystical feeling.
	But it's emotional.
	Love is a choice.
	It's not love as a decision and it's an action.
	So by literally going the exact opposite of not loving that person, you can't say that you still love your wife if you go against her.
	But it's emotionless with a man.
	It's emotional with a woman.
	That's not true.
	But it's just scientifically not accurate to say that men don't have emotions.
	It makes it sound like they're just like these animals.
	No, they have to have something on this by David Buss.
	Yeah, let's look at it.
	I mean, there's also certain biological.
	Men are more likely to cheat for sexual variety while women tend to have an affair in a means to find a better suited partner or stronger connection.
	Thank you.
	Evidence suggests that women tend to cheat with one person, becoming emotionally involved in the process and often looking to fall in love.
	David Buss, he's like a, is he an evolutionary psychologist or what's his, Eva?
	Evolutionary psychologist, that's right.
	Okay, cool, cool.
	Didn't he go to UCSB or was a professor at UCSB?
	Am I thinking of Huberman?
	Anyways, it kind of seems like we all agree on this then.
	Yeah, like we all agree it's wrong.
	Yeah, they might do for all the people.
	Yeah, we do agree, but I think where we would disagree is when you say that a man can't love a woman if he cheats on her.
	And like, this is me still meaning an argument that I don't agree with.
	It's a way that I wouldn't act.
	I've never cheated on somebody, never will.
	But I think that there would be occasions when a man could cheat on a woman and still love that woman.
	So I don't think that that disqualifies it.
	What is love?
	What is your definition of love?
	What is this like?
	I mean, I'm not going to give a definition of love, but I'm just going to say.
	Well, you have to give a definition of love if you say that cheating on someone can still be loving.
	It's just an emotion.
	Love is love.
	It's just how you feel.
	It's not an emotion.
	Love is not an emotion at all.
	You can't feel love.
	Love is an action.
	And then you feel it after you create that action.
	So it can be an infatuation is like an emotion, a feeling.
	Lust is a feeling.
	But love is just an action.
	Like people say, oh, we just fell out of love, so we got divorced.
	And like, that is a problem for many divorces because they were going to the marriage thinking, love is a feeling, so if we're not in love anymore, we just get divorced.
	And that's kind of the same thing you're saying, like, oh, I still love them, but I cheated.
	But that's not loving.
	But what if it's an accident?
	What if you deeply, deeply regret it?
	Like, you can't live with yourself because you regret it so badly.
	You shouldn't have done it in the first place.
	Love is willing to do it.
	People make mistakes, though.
	I think coming from such a worldview of so like everything else.
	No, no, if you make a mistake, if you make a mistake and you deeply, deeply regret it, you can still love them.
	You can still love that person.
	You can absolutely regret it.
	And you can mourn for their loss.
	You can be forgiven of it.
	That doesn't necessarily mean that you can believe the person still loves you.
	Okay, so you don't think that it's possible for a man to still love a woman if he's cheated on her?
	You don't mean that?
	I wouldn't believe that they would love you anymore.
	No, absolutely not.
	Love is willing the good of the other.
	Cheating on me is not willing the good of any other person.
	But certainly you can be forgiven, but that doesn't mean I believe you love the other.
	Okay, so listen.
	So the path back is there.
	If you're a man and you cheat on a woman, you can still technically love her at a later time.
	No, you can't.
	You didn't will the good of that person at all.
	At that time.
	So you think that you can just erase things that happen?
	Do you think that any mistake that happens whatsoever, when you're not willing to be a personal personality?
	I think that's a mistake.
	It's a bit more than like, oh, I broke your favorite thing.
	That's different.
	So what's the difference between that and say you slap your partner in the face?
	Well, chemical bonding with being with somebody else is a lot worse than that.
	Okay, so if I was to say, If you're a man who slapped his wife in the face, heat of the moment, you love this person, and it's just the next day you're so sorry, you apologize, she says, I know I was acting a bit.
	Oh, that's called abuse.
	And if you tolerate that, it's going to get worse and worse.
	And that's what I'm saying.
	You think cheating is a violence scenario.
	No, wait, wait.
	I'm not saying that there's anything right about abuse, but I'm saying in a hypothetical scenario.
	And I'm in the middle of the day.
	If that were to happen, like you see what happened with Dana White and his wife a few months ago.
	Yeah, if the man that I'm with slaps me in the face, I'm leaving and I don't believe he loves me anymore.
	What about if you slapped him first?
	I wouldn't.
	That's what about if you did, that's domestic violence.
	Okay, but what about if that happened?
	I don't support it either, but it's a hypothetical.
	If I slap the person I'm with or he slapped me?
	If you slapped the person you're with and then he slapped you, can he still love you?
	No.
	Love is willing to go to the other.
	What if you have five children together?
	So you're going to be with a woman who's going to slap you?
	Hold on a second.
	What if you have five children together?
	Yes.
	And that was a heat of the moment mistake.
	And then one year later, you still have those children together.
	You're still building your life together.
	But you can't love that person anymore.
	You can forgive that person if they never cheat them.
	Okay, so you can love them again.
	No, I said forgive them.
	Okay, and then you love them.
	You forgive them?
	Love's just gone.
	You forgive them and then you love them.
	I wouldn't have five children with a man who's a girl.
	Hypothetical.
	It's a hypothetical.
	So you're saying, so you're in a relationship, you have five children, you're married, you've been married, and he cheats one time, and you say that he doesn't love you after all.
	You birth all those five children, so y'all have a little house on Nantucket Island.
	You have to have five children, and he did it one time.
	I wouldn't marry someone who would do that.
	The hypothetical, though.
	The hypothetical, it's not all about your perfect worldview.
	In a hypothetical scenario, if that were to happen, can the man still love the woman?
	I don't believe so.
	Her that's ridiculous.
	But you've been dating somebody.
	You've been dating somebody for 2.5 years.
	Has your boyfriend done anything wrong?
	No.
	Nothing.
	No, no, no.
	You mean like slapping me?
	Sorry, keep it in the middle of the moment.
	No.
	You've never had an argument.
	You've never disagreed on something.
	He's never even said something that you took even a slight offense to.
	Nothing.
	Of course I have.
	We have discussions all the time.
	Okay.
	But keep going.
	Are you going to equate that to slapping?
	No, but it seems like you're saying, and look, I think none of us here are in favor of cheating or, you know, if there's a DVD.
	Obviously, nobody's in favor of that.
	No, but it's a hypothetical question to say that if hypothetically that were to happen, it's a terrible thing to happen.
	Yes, I'm not saying it's not domestic violence.
	Nobody says it's not domestic violence.
	Hypothetically, could the love still exist?
	I have a question on this.
	So, are you Catholic?
	Yes, Sam.
	You're Catholic.
	So you don't believe in divorce, correct?
	Correct.
	Okay.
	So if using Jake's example, there's five kids, been married for 10 years, everything's been great.
	Somehow, some super-heated argument happens, and like if the husband slapped the wife, divorce?
	I know where you're going, and the answer is no, because I wouldn't marry someone who would do that.
	That's no one's going to say that right now.
	You're with somebody who would slap you, then you shouldn't be with them.
	You shouldn't marry them and have five kids.
	Okay, but engaging from a utopian perspective, engaging the hypothesis.
	We're talking about individual people.
	You would choose somebody who would never do that.
	Human beings are flawed.
	Human beings make mistakes.
	But they're not.
	Those things happen.
	And good people do that as well.
	Mistake is maybe having a verbal discussion that gets heated, but it would never lead to a physical altercation.
	If it does, then you can.
	Do you think a good man has ever slapped his wife?
	I don't believe so.
	That's ridiculous.
	Why?
	People make bad mistakes all the time.
	Nobody is perfect.
	What do you mean?
	You're in a legend.
	Good doesn't mean good at all hours of the day, every single day, never making a mistake.
	That's not good.
	I draw the line at physical altercations, so that's just me.
	Just even a little pop, just one little pop.
	But, okay, would you...
	No, no.
	Why are we arguing over there?
	Wait, where does the Bible say that you can divorce your husband if he slaps you?
	Wait, hold on.
	Hold on.
	So it's a bit.
	It seems to me, and there's perhaps a specific fallacy for this, but you're saying that you would never marry somebody who would have the capacity to do that, but like you don't have what's that fucking minority report thing when they could see into the future, what's that called?
	Premosition?
	Like, you wouldn't predestination.
	Yeah, that's it.
	Some fucking scenario, maybe you, like, I don't know.
	Again, we're not, it's, you shouldn't be hitting anybody.
	But if it did happen.
	Sure.
	I understand what you're saying.
	But you keep saying, like, well, I would never marry somebody who did that, but engage with the actual conversation.
	So would you divorce if there was a slap?
	No, of course not.
	But that's not a good thing.
	But if you stay with someone that doesn't love you, that doesn't mean that I have to divorce them.
	Fair enough.
	Okay.
	So then, but so you wouldn't divorce under those circumstances.
	Under no circumstances.
	In that circumstance?
	I would keep that up for the kids.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	It's not worth it.
	But you think, okay, so you wouldn't, you wouldn't divorce, although isn't divorce, you can divorce in the case of...
	It's annulment.
	You can get an annuled if there's domestic violence, which is completely my position.
	Oh, so would you get an annulment?
	Yeah, because this all comes back to the fact that you say you can be a good man and slap your wife.
	Like, that it's a mistake, but you can still be a good man.
	My view is that if you have domestic violence inside your relationship, in my view, where I'm Catholic and I don't believe in divorce, then you're going against the vows that you said when we got married.
	So you're saying that you have to be perfect in marriage.
	Otherwise, you can't be a good man.
	Not slapping your wife doesn't mean that there's more vows than that.
	Absolutely, but I'm saying domestic violence is a very like, it's like topic.
	Okay, so if you think that literally directly going against the vows.
	If a man looks at a woman with lust, has he cheated on her?
	Yes.
	And can he be a good man?
	If he repents of it, of course.
	Okay, so that the love can still be there, even if he goes against the vows.
	I already said that domestic violence is a different tier than like.
	But we're talking about it in terms of your vows, and we're talking about it on a biblical sense.
	So that's also a sin, looking at someone with lust in your heart.
	Of course, and I think it also has to do with that.
	So you're saying that's cheating.
	It can be if you don't repent of it.
	That's what the Bible says.
	So then if you just go cheat, if your man just goes to that.
	That makes sense.
	But if that's what the Bible says, if a man has committed adultery, then you're saying that's adultery.
	Absolutely.
	So you're saying that he can't be a good man and that the love is gone after that?
	I was talking about domestic violence when you asked me that.
	So I'm not going to make it about other things.
	But is he willing the good of that person in that situation?
	No.
	Just because you're not willing the good of another person in these situations doesn't mean there's grounds for divorce.
	Like you're mixing up all the different things.
	Okay, so you're saying that domestic violence is in a different tier and that there is no way that somebody can ever love somebody if they do that.
	No circumstance.
	You still haven't defined love to me, so therefore you repeating the same thing.
	I'll grant your definition.
	I'll grant your definition.
	Willing the good of the other person.
	No, I'll grant your definition.
	I agree with it.
	Okay.
	So there is no situation where that could happen where then the man could ever still love the woman is what you're saying.
	I personally don't think so.
	But then again, that's just where I'm coming from.
	And I can see, I think this is the kind of thing where this isn't some like we were talking about earlier about abortion where it's a moral like black and white.
	I don't think this is some kind of moral black and white.
	I think other people can have different opinions on it.
	But personally, sexual morality is black and white.
	No, I'm saying this isn't one.
	That's what I'm saying.
	No, but the morality as a whole is black and white.
	This is one of the things that I'm saying that this is a matter of fact.
	Just one question.
	Just one question.
	Moral is black and white.
	But before we did say that you can't love your partner if you cheat on them after, we did have that conversation where you said that if a man commits adultery, then he can't love his partner after that.
	I don't believe that he's willing the good of another person when he cheats.
	Okay, so then would you agree with the Bible when the Bible says that if you look at a woman with lust, then you've committed adultery in your heart?
	Yes.
	So then you're saying that a man can't love a woman if he looks at another woman with lust?
	Yes.
	That's ridiculous.
	Why?
	You just agreed that.
	Because we don't live in a perfect world and men make mistakes and men do that all the time.
	The point is, I'm speaking from having a standard where we're talking about someone who doesn't think cheating's wrong.
	And so I'm saying that it's actually wrong to say.
	Yeah, here, let's switch gears here.
	One to finish off on this really quick.
	Do you think that I asked you, okay, so annulment would be warranted under those circumstances.
	If a woman slapped a man, slapped her husband, would annulment be warranted also?
	Yes, they're two people.
	All right.
	Either or I just want to make sure that you have the same standard for both.
	Absolutely.
	Men and women.
	And I don't think anybody here is in favor of domestic violence or anything.
	There's a hypothetical.
	We're just talking about it.
	I was like, oh, God, am I going to get clips?
	Is Jay going to get clips?
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	What's up?
	Can I respond to a comment I saw in the middle of all this?
	Nope.
	I mean, for where?
	On the screen.
	There was a comment on the screen in the middle of this whole debate.
	Someone brought up a really good point.
	Okay.
	Like, I forgot who it was, but they were like, oh, like, this is why you should date to marry and why, like, he said something about like Asian cultures, like, they date to marry and they tend to have like better marriages and whatnot.
	And then he said, like, that's why the West is kind of like deteriorating when it comes to dating because it's like, it's kind of like a free-for-all now.
	I wasn't sure if you guys had caught that.
	I just wanted to know if that's something that I'm going to do.
	It was below the threshold.
	We agree with that.
	I think we all technically agree that in a perfect world, people would date to marry and people would be virgins until marriage.
	But we live in a fallen world and we have to meet the world where it is.
	We have Fally here.
	Good evening, everyone.
	Berkson, small suggestion.
	Increase the TTS back to 200.
	So apologies if I'm vulgar.
	D-Gens like Hunter and the numbers guy are less likely to comment indecent stuff piece.
	I mean, I think, you know, I think the TTS at this threshold, like, I only boost the TTS if we have like a really big panel.
	Like last show, we had like, what, 12, 13 people, Madison?
	Yeah, it was just like we had way too much to get through.
	And if it was the TTS was too frequent, it would just take forever to get through it.
	I think this is a pretty solid threshold.
	And also if we have a big guest, especially, like, for example, when we had Charlie Kirk, like, you know, he was only here for a limited period of time.
	We want to give him, you know, as much uninterrupted airtime as possible.
	But thank you, Fally.
	Appreciate that.
	And then we also have Miss Nims.
	Canadian 50.
	Hey, thank you, Miss Nims.
	By 30, what is considered a high body count?
	I mean, I suppose I could open this up to the panel here, but thoughts?
	Anybody?
	What's up?
	Did we start?
	I think by 30, a high body count would be.
	For a woman.
	Oh, for a woman.
	Okay.
	For a man, I don't think it matters.
	For a woman, I would say five or six.
	Okay.
	I guess anything over 25.
	Anything over 25?
	Is that your way of telling us that your body count's 25?
	Way more, but yeah.
	Should we do body count?
	Madison.
	Wait, actually, hold on.
	We'll do it later.
	I'll do it later.
	Okay, your answer.
	What's a high body count?
	For a woman?
	Yeah.
	Anything over five, six.
	Okay.
	I don't know.
	I've never really considered it as like a bad thing.
	So I would say more like your answer.
	Like, I could see girls.
	I know lots of girls who fuck a lot.
	Yeah.
	I don't know what the scale would be for high or low.
	Like, I don't know what would be high because they're just people.
	So for both men and women, I think, I don't know.
	What would be a high body count?
	Just what you think.
	What is high?
	What you think.
	It's not about what they think.
	Like, what do you think?
	A hundred thousand.
	A thousand?
	A thousand?
	Well, that's what I'm saying.
	Okay, go ahead.
	Go ahead.
	I legitimately have no idea.
	Okay, Sarah.
	I don't know.
	Like, I'm thinking about what the average would be.
	I guess probably right, like the way the world is right now, probably like five would be average.
	So high would be 10 or something.
	I don't know.
	Jake, what is a high body count?
	For a third.
	For a woman?
	Over 30?
	Anything over 10.
	I'd agree.
	Over 10.
	Obviously, the thing is, though, is like the lower the better.
	So there you have it.
	Let me finally get into some of my pre-show notes from all of y'all.
	So, Nick, if you can hide that for me, thank you.
	Let's start with Alyssa here.
	Alyssa, you got married too young, got divorced.
	We went over that a bit.
	You dated someone new, then got pregnant and married again.
	Then you were cheated on when your baby was five months old in your own home with my friend.
	Rip.
	And wait, hold on.
	And you said it's taken you a long while to stand up for yourself and your daughter and file again?
	Wait.
	Yep.
	For divorce.
	Okay.
	Because I agree with you: where love is an action, and someone still can love you, and you can forgive them, and they can be a good man.
	But if they stop loving you and they're not a good man, then there's nothing you can do.
	Because I don't believe in divorce.
	Oftentimes it is once the trust seal is broken, it's done.
	Yeah.
	The vast majority of the time.
	There's probably no other way.
	But yeah.
	So that's why I stayed way too long and I finally got to the point where I found some self-confidence and decided to break it.
	But that's not break what?
	My marriage.
	Oh, break.
	Okay.
	You guys don't still live together, correct?
	No.
	No, he moved out real quick and real easy.
	Oh, like, what do you mean?
	Like, I told him it was time.
	Like, it got toxic, and he just had no respect for me anymore.
	And so I, like, had my low self-esteem.
	So I finally asked him to go, and he just left.
	So you kept the, you guys, did you guys own the house?
	Yeah, I stay in the house.
	It's my father's.
	Oh, it's your?
	Okay.
	Oh, so he moved in with you.
	Okay, I see.
	And then, wait, so okay.
	Does he pay child support?
	No?
	Nope.
	Do you want him to.
	Well, I want him to support his child.
	Do you guys have shared custody?
	That's what I filed for, yeah.
	Oh, you, okay.
	He's not a bad father.
	Yeah.
	Horrible husband.
	I see.
	Okay.
	Uh-huh.
	Let's see, what else?
	You said modern dating is too fast.
	The culture is too perverse and revealing.
	Mystery is much more enticing, but no judgments here.
	You had to learn that.
	When you say mystery is much more enticing, what do you mean?
	Like, I don't know.
	I feel like you'd build a better relationship if you didn't just give it away so quickly.
	But that's not for me to judge because my example is terrible.
	Well, so in all your previous relationship escapades, I mean, how long would you typically wait?
	Well, anybody else I was with, it was in high school, so like a year and a half.
	What do you mean?
	Like, when I started dating someone in high school, you'd wait like a year to have sex?
	A year?
	Yeah.
	That was in high school.
	How did you go?
	Is this the fucking 1950s?
	It should be.
	God damn.
	Okay.
	Okay, so, but you say that the culture is too perverse in revealing.
	Mystery is much more enticing.
	But so for all your relationships, you've always waited or in like high school.
	Yeah.
	So with the exception of your most recent relationship, you waited how long?
	Like a few days.
	Hey, no judgment.
	I got pregnant within a month of us dating.
	Yeah.
	But then he was like, oh, I'm going to marry you.
	Because I had just gotten out of a terrible relationship.
	Like on and off boyfriend from high school.
	We married young.
	He did drugs, messed around.
	Okay.
	But I didn't know any of that.
	So when I found all that out, it was like huge.
	Wait, so you had just broken up with your previous husband.
	Yeah, him and I weren't together for about a year while the divorce was filing and I was 21.
	Yeah.
	And then after it was officially done, this guy asked me out, and so I said yes.
	And then he was like, Prince Charming, or so I thought.
	Until there was infidelity.
	Can I ask you a question?
	How long were you guys married for?
	Or dating?
	Dating and married.
	When he did that?
	No, no, how long?
	Just total?
	Were you guys together?
	Oh, four and a half years, almost five.
	Total.
	But we got married like a month before my daughter was born.
	And then, so she was five months, so we were only married six months.
	Okay.
	Was uh hold on.
	And you total, you were together for four years?
	So I stayed because, you know, that's love.
	What do you think precipitated the infidelity?
	And if you don't mind me asking, I mean, were you guys in a dead bedroom relationship?
	No, not at all.
	No?
	Okay.
	Okay.
	And then I got to the point where I was still like begging him.
	For sex.
	Ah, okay.
	All right.
	And he didn't.
	You wanted it?
	He didn't.
	Yep.
	But then he met my friend in the bathroom.
	Wait, he, huh?
	My friend came out to visit me to see our baby.
	And then I woke up at four in the morning to find him not in bed with me and walked down the hallway to hear them in the bathroom.
	Excuse me?
	So.
	How good friends was it like a long time?
	Oh, I'd known her like six years.
	Since childhood?
	Six years?
	Yeah, I'd known her.
	She's a friend of six years.
	Oh, God, that's awful.
	How did you not kill her?
	Hold on.
	Had you met before?
	Christ.
	Huh?
	Had they met before?
	Had they met before?
	I think one time she flew out when we were dating.
	And I was pregnant.
	And then, because she lives on the East Coast.
	And then she flew out after my daughter was born.
	Do you have any suspicion that they cheated that initial meeting?
	See, I think about that often because she used to talk to me about how her husband never initiated sex and how she wanted to be wanted.
	And I remember standing there thinking, like, oh, that sucks because my husband was amazing.
	He was my boyfriend at the time.
	I was like, oh, that's all he ever did.
	He made me feel sexy.
	And so I don't know if she did have that, but that was the first night her and her sister, her younger sister, came out.
	And that was the first night they stayed.
	That's a pretty great situation.
	Oh, so she came, your friend came with her sister.
	Her younger sister to see the baby.
	It was the friend, not the sister, correct?
	It was my friend.
	Your friend.
	Okay.
	And so they were staying at your house.
	Yes.
	Your family house.
	Yep.
	And your friend of six years cheated or, well, had sex with your husband.
	Yep.
	Please tell me it wasn't in your bedroom.
	No, it was in our bathroom.
	Oh, in the bathroom.
	Right.
	In the bathroom.
	So I knocked because I heard them, and then she goes, just a minute.
	And I said, no, you need to open this door now.
	And then she comes out all like, oh.
	And then I went in and I opened the shower curtain and he's sitting there in the hat I bought him, the shirt and his wedding ring.
	You not only found out they cheated, you caught them in the act.
	Yeah, I heard them.
	They broke the towel rack.
	What the fuck?
	What the fuck?
	Holy shit.
	Okay, now that's a reason to.
	Wait, what did they break straight away?
	They broke the wall rack.
	Now that's when I'd agree with you, that the love's gone.
	That's a great gesture.
	That is a great gestease.
	I wish I did.
	In that moment, I wish I had the balls to go, but I didn't.
	I got them both water.
	I told her to put the water in her face.
	Get rid of that.
	We cannot have that.
	Okay.
	I know.
	You're like, hold on.
	So, just like demonstrating, you, you, you, wait, it's okay.
	You caught them.
	I got it all.
	I'm not.
	Have you ever gone a professional massage?
	And you know, after the massage, they come to you with like this little cup, and they're like, here you go.
	Do you need some hydration?
	Was it like that?
	No, I literally just like, I don't know.
	All I can say is that I just had Christ in me at the moment.
	And I, he, that look on his face was that of I fucked up.
	And so I know he knows he fucked up.
	But after that.
	Yo, that's amazing.
	Do you have an idea about like who seduced who, or did you get any like other details?
	Yeah.
	I mean, we're all drinking in our back room and they started to get real flirty.
	He started to do things with her, like show her music videos that he did with me on our first date.
	And so I told her sister, I said, you watch them.
	And she's all, ha ha.
	I even actually set my phone up, but I was like buzzed to listen.
	And I heard her talking bad about me on it.
	But then I went and grabbed my phone later that night and I went to bed.
	Oh, wait, you went to bed without them and then.
	And then I woke up at four in the morning.
	And then I went back and the door was locked.
	So I knew he had locked them out of that room.
	And then I walked back down the hall and that's when I heard him in the back.
	So what would, okay, you see them, you know.
	Oh, I heard it.
	So you walk in.
	What do you say?
	What do you say?
	She just kept saying, I love my husband.
	I'm married.
	I love my husband.
	Oh, she's a marriage.
	I wish I said no.
	Wait, your friend was married.
	Did I deny her note?
	Or did they just do it at her wedding?
	Like, a couple months prior.
	I flew out for her wedding.
	And I did all her fucking flowers.
	Wait, so.
	Do they have kids?
	No.
	Are they divorcing?
	Nope.
	I know she lied to him.
	Why does she lie?
	Do you reckon she hates you or is she at least very jealous of you?
	Because often when women are really jealous like that, they might get back at you.
	I don't know.
	Did you steal a boyfriend or something?
	No, I flew out and did her flowers for her wedding.
	I don't get that impression.
	I would never.
	That's sick.
	But she said she still loves her husband.
	And then she went back and her husband.
	He was all drunk.
	did the husband did the husband uh i don't think she told him the truth He unfollowed me on Instagram, like her family.
	But how did this not get back to them?
	She's a lying sucker crap.
	No, but did you approach the husband and say, yo, come get your fucking wife?
	What the fuck?
	I thought about telling her little sister too, but I don't know.
	Well, the sister was there at the house.
	How was this not like fucking major fucking nuclear?
	I wish I went batshit crazy.
	I do.
	I wish I had my moment and I wish I went crazy.
	Okay.
	But I did not.
	I sat there and I did dishes.
	Because I mean, like four in the morning.
	And then I waited for the light and I went to my parents' house.
	And this wasn't something you, like, you saw it.
	Yeah.
	Well, just speaking briefly on the fucking husband of the, that dude's a, that's a fucking major cuck if you're going to stay with your cheating.
	Yeah.
	What?
	Okay, first off, a couple really terrible things here.
	Your friend, the betrayal from your friend and from your husband, absolutely egregious.
	Doing it in your house.
	I mean, there's just so many layers to this.
	So first off, sorry to hear that you went through that.
	Thank you.
	That's terrible.
	And I mean, I certainly applaud you for, I mean, for actually, it sounds like you were actually rather stoic in that moment and, you know, did not.
	I mean, I wouldn't have blamed you, certainly, if you had a major fucking meltdown seeing that.
	I mean, the later that I heard somewhere that, I don't know if it's in the Bible, but somewhere somebody told me that Jesus prays for you when you're about to go through things.
	And I know that that was what moment.
	That was the only thing I felt.
	Wait, read this here?
	Read this down here?
	I mean, I do think the husband, I mean, you should at least make some sort of.
	I think he knows something happened.
	Oh, he's just wants to be ignorant.
	All right, there we go.
	That's a good point.
	There we go.
	God damn, that's fucking insane.
	Yeah, five years later.
	That's pretty fucking scummy.
	Super scummy.
	Can I ask you a question real quick?
	Do you think that, you don't have to answer if it's personal, but do you think you would have married him if you guys didn't have a kid together?
	No.
	Not that quickly.
	If I had dated him to now know the type of, he's very charming.
	And then all of a sudden it'll turn to condescending.
	Like it got to the point where I was begging him.
	Like I would walk in naked for attention and he would say things like, we get at your tan or we get it you're skinny.
	And that would like to walk away from that and that humiliation and then like trying to talk to him about it and he would laugh at me.
	I just but I had no self-worth.
	I literally got married so young it turned out crappy.
	I got divorced.
	That was my parents will you're gonna go to hell and then met and got pregnant.
	Yeah.
	And it was just like wild.
	Do you think it changed your view of like waiting for sex later on in like a relationship?
	Like or is it did it change that view at all?
	Oh yeah.
	No, I've repented hardcore and that what's nice is like when I had been in bad relationships after I would seek attention and not like necessarily sexual attention but just like any type of attention to make myself feel worth and I repented that because I don't want to be that type of person.
	So it was nice because after that Truth Bomb donated $100 hate to see this.
	You have no idea.
	This same thing happened to me in 15-year marriage.
	I have since turned to my faith.
	Yo, Truth Brawl, I'm sorry to hear that that happened to you, man.
	Yeah.
	So wait and remind us.
	So you when did the infidelity occur?
	How long ago?
	Was it you said eight months ago?
	No, my daughter was six months old, so like four and a half years ago.
	Four and a half years ago.
	Hunter donated $100.
	Nothing wrong with what he did.
	Men need girlfriends.
	He cheated because he was tired of the same cash.
	Woman protect a man's spurt and men give women children and provide materially.
	Okay.
	There you have it from Hunter.
	Sorry to him.
	Hot take from Hunter.
	I should have said RT.
	Wait, so you've not have you not dated at all since the incident?
	The incident or like filing for divorce?
	Both.
	No.
	Oh, so you've had relationships?
	No.
	What do you mean?
	Like, have you been seeing guys, dating any guys?
	No, my heart's broken.
	Okay.
	Do you think there's any chance this may come off as I hope it probably will come off disrespectful, but I'm just curious.
	Do you think there's any chance that you would have stayed with him?
	Like, I know even after all of that happened, you had to stay with him.
	I mean, like, oh, hold on.
	This was years ago.
	The guy who stayed with him for years.
	Cheated.
	Oh.
	Yeah.
	I thought you guys were only divorced more recently, but you were separated for much longer.
	Oh, so you did.
	After that infidelity happened, like a few months later, my mom was diagnosed with cancer.
	A month after that, he was diagnosed with cancer.
	And then it was just that, like, weird talking yourself into, like, well, I can't be the bitch now that doesn't like the guy with cancer.
	But after that, he got so just aggressive, like, angry, aggressive, screaming at me, slamming things.
	Yikes.
	And then it was always my fault.
	It was always, well, you did this, or I'm angry because you did this.
	And then it was, he had, and I didn't tell anybody about his infidelity.
	So everyone had a painted picture of like him being Prince Charming because that's what he presented.
	And so, who am I going to be the bitch to divorce the perfect guy with cancer?
	So I stayed and I stayed for my daughter.
	And then she got terrified.
	And it got to the point where it was like, this isn't healthy anymore.
	And I remember trying to talk to him that day.
	And he laughed at me.
	And I said, I had the balls.
	And I said, I think it's time for you to go.
	And he went, huh?
	Yeah.
	And then I wrote him a letter the next morning and I said, I don't want you to go.
	I don't want this relationship to end.
	You cannot talk to me the way you do, blah, blah, blah.
	And he just left.
	Didn't say a word to me.
	He never tried, never said sorry, never asked.
	So, okay, so you.
	And that was over a year ago.
	But you've, from the point of the infidelity occurring and now, you've not been intimate with any other men.
	No.
	Okay.
	But you continued being intimate with him after the infidelity.
	Yeah, very rarely.
	Pretty rarely.
	Yeah.
	He wouldn't, like, we were like roommates.
	And I was so embarrassed to keep trying to try to get attention from a man who treated me like that.
	And also, men, like, normally we, like, won't.
	We have certain urges.
	Do you think that the infidelity may have been more widespread than you thought if he really didn't want to have sex with you?
	Do you think maybe he was getting it somewhere else?
	Dude, if he fucked another, like, her friend in her house, this guy's like a fucking dog.
	This guy's such a fucking dog.
	There must have been.
	If you can do that, that's like going from zero to a hundred.
	There's gotta be, bro.
	There's gotta be other guys.
	Or excuse me, other guys.
	There could be it.
	You might have been gay.
	Who knows?
	Terrible thing to think about, though.
	I had a girlfriend once, so I'm pretty sure was cheating on me for quite a while.
	That's terrible.
	And I can't be sure.
	It was when I was much younger, but looking back on it, I'm like, I don't know.
	And it's like, yeah.
	Well, I don't think he was.
	We were very hot and heavy, and that's, I mean, I got pregnant, and then we got married like 10 months later.
	And so it was just that, or nine months later.
	But I never said no to him.
	I mean, that was, it was a very lusty relationship, and that's why I don't think it was founded on love.
	He had no faith.
	I mean, he would make fun of me for my political beliefs, my religion.
	Was he a liberal?
	Yeah.
	Oh, God.
	You should have known that.
	You should have right away.
	Oh, I know now.
	Wait, so hold on.
	He just treated me like I was some dumb hick.
	That's what he treated me like.
	He made fun of my family.
	Was he quite a couple questions?
	How tall was he?
	5'11.
	Oh, he's 5'11?
	Okay.
	How tall are you?
	5'8.
	Oh, 5'8.
	Okay.
	Was he wealthy?
	He moved in with her?
	I don't know.
	No.
	What did he do for work?
	Don't dox him.
	Just like what?
	He's an engineer.
	He's a very smart man.
	He makes a lot of money.
	No, he's a mechanical engineer.
	Okay.
	It's a good guess.
	Handsome.
	Very handsome.
	He's a good-looking guy.
	Chad.
	Yeah, very chatty.
	Chatty.
	Chad Liberal?
	Chad.
	He was like the overly confident guy.
	And now I thought I was like, you want the kind guy.
	It seems like he's a narcissist.
	He has a lot of those qualities.
	Okay, well, I mean, that's, you've certainly been through quite a lot.
	I mean, you know, you said that it was who else got cancer?
	There was someone else who had cancer?
	My mom, she passed of brain cancer.
	Shit, sorry to hear that.
	I mean, yeah, you've definitely, that's been quite through a lot, both in your, with your data things around the corner.
	Yeah.
	Guarantee it.
	Guarantee it.
	You're on the whatever podcast.
	It's all uphill.
	It's all uphill from here.
	Well, yeah, but definitely seems like you've certainly been through quite a bit.
	Although, I mean, my first impression of you, I mean, you come off like a very well put together person.
	So I mean, my applause for, you know, keeping your life together despite some of the difficult things that you've encountered recently.
	So God is good.
	I applaud you on that.
	So switching to, we got some more pre-show notes here.
	We have Katie.
	Hi.
	Katie here.
	She's an online content writer/slash editor.
	You did do OF for a year or so, but you stopped in 2021.
	Yeah.
	Were you doing you like just BG content, girl-girl content, or just like solo content?
	Mostly solo every now and then.
	Why did you quit?
	Honestly, I never felt like I could really commit to it, and I just couldn't.
	Like if I really, really wanted to try to make a lot of money, I guess I could have done that.
	I was a very small operation.
	And I had a full-time job at the time, and I was kind of just like being crazy and having fun and just like not really knowing what I was doing.
	So I didn't really have a purpose for doing it.
	And then I just kind of got sick of it.
	It was like kind of a lot of work.
	So props to you who do stuff like that.
	Tell us about the, there was a threesome.
	What happened there?
	Oh, that's one of my funnier stories that I thought might be interesting.
	But I had a threesome with a pregnant woman.
	And I didn't know she was pregnant at the time, but she just showed up and she was pregnant.
	And I didn't want to be rude.
	Just even she just showed up.
	Like I didn't know her.
	Like hardcore showing.
	I met them on Tinder.
	Yeah.
	It was okay.
	It was like, it wasn't like about to burst, but it was like noticeable where I was like, at first, I was like, maybe she's just like heavy.
	And then I was like, oh no, I'm pretty sure, pretty sure she's pregnant.
	Do you at least get gunmother status?
	You know what?
	Honestly, I should have asked.
	I should have asked.
	Wait, I have a question.
	Yeah.
	I don't know if you specified this.
	Your relationship, is it with a man or with a woman?
	A man.
	Oh, okay.
	I don't know where I got that from.
	Okay.
	Are you bisexual, though?
	I am, yes.
	Yeah.
	So you, and have you had the other threesomes, or is that just the single?
	That was like my thing for a while.
	I was like a unicorn on Tinder.
	Yeah, yeah.
	And it was like one of those things, like some people have talked about seeking validation because I had really low self-esteem and it was just like an easy way to just feel validated and unicorn threesome situations.
	Do you think you have to?
	Not that many.
	I would say maybe two to three.
	Two to three?
	Oh, okay.
	You also wrote here your dating app experience prior to your current relationship was a practice in self-destruction.
	Yes.
	Too much chaos that came from insecurity.
	However, I don't think a high body count necessarily means a woman should be discounted because I think trauma can cause both men and women to use sex as a coping mechanism before growing/slash learning and coming into oneself.
	So you said that the dating app experience was a practice in self-destruction.
	So I mean, besides the two to three threesomes, were you also just having kind of what's the term?
	Just casual, no, there's a different term for it.
	Indiscriminate sex with kind of.
	It often didn't actually like lead to sex, but it was a lot of first dates.
	A lot of first dates.
	And dates that I didn't intend to have really go anywhere.
	It was just like, how can I keep, I don't know, keep myself validated and busy.
	And typically it didn't go very far.
	It was like a lot of douchebags and just like, yeah, it was shitty.
	It sucked.
	I didn't meet barely anyone great.
	I don't know how people do it.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Tinder's a bit like that.
	And you said, we touched on body count a little bit here, but hold on.
	You said, find a lot of the reprints.
	Oh, well, we already did this, but we were talking about the rating.
	And in your notes here, you said, I also find a lot of the rate yourself answers frustrating.
	We were talking about physical reality and being healthily confident is not the same as thinking you're physically perfect.
	Yeah.
	Did you want to weigh it?
	I think that's in response to like the one to 10 rating thing.
	Yeah, yeah.
	So we like, we already did that.
	And I, yeah, I just watching the show quite a bit, I find whenever someone gives an answer of like, I don't know, just like, I guess not wanting to do it, but I don't care.
	No judgment to you guys.
	But I'm like, no, it's just like relative to what you think going on.
	Okay, I see what you're saying.
	Yeah, like, I guess I'm just saying I agree with you and what you typically say.
	Sure.
	And you said, going back to the body count thing, you think I don't think a high body count necessarily means a woman should be discounted.
	Yeah.
	Because I think trauma can cause both men and women to use sex as a coping mechanism.
	Do you care to elaborate a little bit on that?
	So would you object to a guy discounting a woman if she had a high body count?
	i think it's yeah like i'm not gonna like you know yell at them or whatever but i think i don't necessarily think they're wrong I think as a general rule, it probably is like, I understand where you're coming from as a guy being like, I don't want you to have a high body count.
	But I don't think, I think there are exceptions.
	I think it's like, like you said, like people can go through shitty things in life and learn to be better.
	And just because you had like a crazy past doesn't mean you're going to have a crazy future.
	Or maybe there's even someone who didn't have a crazy past and then kind of breaks and goes for it like in their 30s or 40s.
	I don't know.
	That's where I think there can be exceptions.
	Sure.
	Well, going around the table on this question, does body count matter?
	And do you object to a man discounting, using her words here, discounting a woman with a high body count?
	Starting with you, going around, go ahead.
	Can you ask that last question about discounting?
	Yeah, do you object to a man discounting a woman with a high body count?
	I think the body count is really important.
	I think as a woman, your body count is a reflection of part of your value.
	And I don't see an issue with a man having a problem with a woman having a high body count.
	I think that it's reasonable and just.
	Hunter donated $100.
	Men's validation doesn't come from cheating.
	It comes from masculine achievement.
	The sexual marketplace for a man is the byproduct of that.
	With no achievement, the man's access is nearly zero.
	Wait, the sexual market count for men is the byproduct?
	Okay.
	I would kind of go get the horn up.
	Thank you, Hunter, for that thought.
	Appreciate it.
	Thank you, Hunter.
	Yeah, I think body count is really important.
	I think it's a reflection of your value as a woman.
	Okay.
	All right.
	I don't really care if somebody discounts me because I have a high body count.
	They're not typically the people I look for anyway.
	I personally don't think it's important, but that's it.
	Let me repeat the question one more time.
	So do you object to men discounting women because of their body count?
	No, everyone has a preference.
	Okay.
	I think you've, we know your position on it.
	You think that that's you disagree with men doing that?
	I think, I think I just believe in, you know, people as a whole.
	I don't think just because your body count is high that you're necessarily going to be a shitty partner.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	I definitely think body count matters, but it's a little bit more than just like a black and white thing.
	I think it's that it should be both.
	It's not just women, women's like body count should be discounted by men or whatever.
	I think it's both.
	That both men and women's body counts matter.
	Okay.
	I agree with that take.
	I think men and women's body counts should be both considered.
	But going back to like the final question, should men be shamed or should men like have the right to just reject a woman because of her body count?
	I think it depends on the man because if you are a man with a high body count and you have that standard for yourself, you want to go for a woman, you disregard a woman who also has a high body count.
	I think you should even it out, even out your values for the both of you.
	Okay, I have a response to that, but go ahead, Sarah.
	I think people can have preferences, and I think it's fine to say I don't want to be with someone who's promiscuous or whatever.
	But I also just don't like, I think it's just the word value bothers me because I just think it's kind of sad to think I have less value as a person because of things that I've done.
	And I think it's like kind of like you were saying you struggle with self-worth and you think you don't because I think you're attributing your value to like your value in this sexual marketplace.
	I don't struggle with self-worth, but I think that I mean obviously sexuality plays a big part in your value as a woman.
	I think if you have a high body count, you're not as valuable as a woman who is a virgin.
	I think, well, when we're using this term value, and I think perhaps, Sarah, where you're maybe misunderstanding, is when we're using this word value, we're not saying like your value in terms of your life value, your value as a human being.
	It's more, it's used in the sense of your value in the dating marketplace.
	Yeah, you're saying your sexual market value, like what the average person would want.
	So in that case, I think, yeah, a body count matters because a lot of men probably would prefer a lower body count.
	I mean, that's kind of just a fact.
	But I'm just saying I don't like using the word belly because it's just kind of sad.
	It's like it's only sad if you have a high body count and you aren't a virgin.
	Because body just like removes the soul.
	Hunter donated $100.
	A woman's body count should be zero.
	Her job is to protect her man's spirit.
	How can a woman protect a man's spirit if she couldn't protect her own?
	Ayman's job is to provide and protect physically.
	I would agree with that.
	I think the most valuable woman would ideally be a virgin.
	I think her job, like if I could go, if I could go back and change everything and have a higher value as a woman, I would spend my time cooking, learning how to cook better food, staying away from going out, not going to clubs, not going and, you know, traveling.
	I think that that's something that high-value men look for.
	And I wish that I could change the trajectory of like what's going on.
	What's stopping you from doing that now?
	That's a good question.
	Wait.
	Sorry, sis, sorry.
	You answered the question.
	Go ahead.
	I haven't been with someone in quite a while.
	I've been, I guess.
	Stop the cap.
	You've been celibate?
	I have.
	It has been a bit.
	How long have you been celibate for?
	I'd say maybe a year.
	Maybe a year.
	Maybe.
	She's so full of shit.
	Give or take.
	She's so full of shit.
	Well, I want you to answer his question, but like, I, and I, I do think you're pandering a little bit with some of your answers.
	Like, I get the impression that you're pandering.
	Like, I don't know if you're actually, like, you genuinely hold some of these positions and you're just like trying to pander to the audience.
	But chat, do you think she's pandering a little bit?
	Anyways, go ahead.
	I think that's fair.
	I mean, I think that my opinion would definitely cater to an audience like this.
	So I think that's a fair opinion to have.
	I know that I may not follow through with what I'm speaking about.
	I know that I'm not the ideal woman.
	I get that.
	But that doesn't mean that I don't know what's right from wrong.
	I know that I've made the wrong decisions.
	I feel like if I were trying to pander to the audience, maybe I could tell people that I don't have a body count of four or that, you know, I haven't been with anyone, but I have.
	And I am on OnlyFans and I'm not the perfect woman, but that doesn't mean that I don't know what's right and what's wrong.
	That doesn't mean that I don't know what a high-value man looks for in a woman.
	I know these things and I know that I'm not that person, but I still am aware.
	So why do you continue to do the wrong thing then?
	I mean, that's a great question.
	Has to be a reason.
	I think, you know, I wish that I could have a good answer for that question.
	I think that I'm just not sure exactly what, like everyone says, what I want to do right now with my life.
	And I think that, you know, I believe in Jesus Christ, and I believe that I can be forgiven.
	I know it's sad, but...
	Well, I have a whole...
	We'll come to that in a sec, but okay, so you're going to say, JC.
	Okay, let's finish up on the body count conversation.
	So I think we were actually getting into that.
	Everyone's body.
	Madison, what's your body count?
	The only time I get to speak is when I'm here.
	Yeah, exactly.
	That's why she's here.
	I'm a virgin.
	I'm kidding.
	It's eight.
	Four.
	I can give like around about like 120.
	120, okay.
	Four.
	Four.
	Eight.
	Zero.
	Whoa.
	Okay.
	Surrounded by purity, yeah.
	Feel it rubbing off on me.
	That's between me and the man upstairs.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Good times.
	Okay.
	That's everybody's body count.
	Thanks for watching the whatever podcast.
	I'm kidding.
	All right.
	So we hit the body count.
	I'm trying to think if there's.
	Here, let me.
	Oh, it came up from your point, right?
	Your pre-show notes.
	So you say men should not discount women because of their body count.
	I think they can be discounted.
	I think it's not.
	If you want to, that's fine.
	Yeah.
	I would prefer, like, I would be more into somebody who wasn't so judgmental.
	So that's where I'm coming from.
	So do you think it's judgmental, wrongly judgmental for a guy to not want to date a woman with a high body count?
	I think it's just when I hear people talk about this, it comes with a kind of vibe that's like looking at women with disgust.
	I think if you're saying.
	Promiscuity, I don't think it's looking at women with disgust.
	It's looking at promiscuity with disgust.
	And that's.
	And I think that disgust.
	I mean, the reality is, like, STDs are a thing.
	Oh, absolutely.
	Like, STDs, for sure, that's something to be concerned about.
	So somebody who has a high body count is more likely to have an STD, for example.
	I guess, yeah, I guess I would just always think that this person would be checking, like, not just, you know, not seeing anyone.
	Yeah, I mean, something could perhaps, maybe they haven't tested for it.
	Maybe it's, you know, maybe they have HPV.
	They don't know.
	Maybe I think even with herpes, you can perhaps be totally asymptomatic, but I don't know.
	I don't want to say something that's just factually, scientifically incorrect.
	But yeah, I mean.
	Yeah, that's fair.
	I think it's just more of like the, and it's not you guys, it's just the tone of a lot of these conversations.
	It ends up being like, oh, and if she has a high body count, oh, horrible, like disgusting.
	No, I mean, I avoid using that sort of language, but like, just I would prefer a woman with a low body count.
	Yeah, and I respect that for sure.
	Absolutely.
	But I think just that on its own is enough to disqualify a woman from a relationship.
	With me, anyways, other men are free to have their own standards.
	Although I certainly would encourage men, one of the best things I think you can use as a metric when it comes to screening somebody is their promiscuity, whether past or present.
	I mean, I'm the most promiscuous person here, and I get tested every 14 days.
	They don't, okay, well, you're in the old adult entertainment industry, you're in the porn industry, but that's sort of, you're omitting the fact, like this is, I hear this argument frequently from porn actresses.
	You're omitting rather deceptively, you're omitting the fact that they don't test for herpes or HPV.
	Right?
	No.
	What do you mean, no?
	I mean, they don't.
	It's not required, right?
	You don't have to test.
	Right.
	And you know what?
	Tell me what would happen if they did start testing for herpes in the porn industry.
	I don't know.
	Well, okay.
	I mean, I feel like you should ask somebody who's been in it longer.
	Okay.
	How many?
	How many you so you said your body counts over 120 if you had to break like how many of those were from work?
	The majority like 95 95 of them and the rest were civilians, I guess you could say, as you might say.
	But the thing is, is they don't test for herpes or HPV in these in the porn industry.
	And the real my understanding, and I've spoken to quite a few women in porn, if you're doing traditional porn, like it's not if, it's when you eventually catch herpes.
	Like you're gonna catch herpes if you're like frequently doing scenes.
	You disagree?
	I feel like you should ask somebody who's been in it longer.
	Like, I'm still new.
	Like, I feel like I'm not qualified to answer that.
	That's terrifying.
	Just to think not if, but when.
	Yeah, I mean, we had a girl on the show who she, and the crazy thing was, it wasn't so much that she had herpes, but she continued shooting, and she wouldn't just, she doesn't disclose to her scene partners that she has herpes.
	Isn't that like illegal or something?
	Can't she get like I don't know, but she says no, she people don't really disclose in the porn industry if they have herpes.
	So that's terrifying.
	Yeah.
	Loose pussy energy donated $100.
	I cut with tight bodies with too many face and back shotties.
	They take no accountabilities and brought great shame to their families, especially the one in the backseats.
	Hashtag get the rocks.
	That was fucking Shakespeare in the flesh to hear.
	Thank you, LP.
	Appreciate it, man.
	Wait, what were we talking about?
	STDs or something?
	Herpes.
	Herpes, yeah.
	Yeah, you know.
	I have a question.
	Go ahead.
	You said you were new to the porn industry.
	Like, what was it that made you decide to do it?
	Like, how recent?
	Wait, hold on.
	I'll let you ask that question, but you said you're new, but you've done, you've had sex with 95 men.
	So you're not that new.
	Like, six months, that's still pretty fucking new.
	Six months.
	Six months?
	Yeah.
	I mean, how many is that, like, per week?
	I'm thinking of a day.
	Can somebody do the dick math for us?
	There's sites, there's like threesomes, like, there's more than just like a boy-girl scene.
	You know what I mean?
	What's the biggest scene?
	Like, what's the most in a day?
	Like, a boy, boy, girl, girl.
	So, like, four people.
	Okay.
	Word.
	Good times.
	Good times.
	Did that answer your question, or did you want to restate it, sir?
	I guess so.
	Is that not, like, is that emotionally damaging for you?
	Like, does that make you happy?
	Yeah, it makes me happy.
	Like, I mean, I'm not going to say it doesn't, like, take a certain amount of energy out of me.
	It's like performing.
	So, yeah, it does take energy out of me.
	But, like, it's not like I sit and like wallow in home all day or something crazy.
	But it doesn't have like a negative effect on your mental health.
	Like, neutral?
	No.
	Do you think that takes some of your soul?
	Huh?
	Like, some of your soul?
	What do you mean?
	Like, being with that many men, do you think that you kind of lose sight of like your soul through it?
	No, I feel like men has no correlation to my soul or anything like that.
	Do you have any like moral qualms with the porn industry or are you just part of it regardless of them?
	She's a communist socialist.
	Yeah, it's.
	But like, actually?
	Because like, I mean, so many people who are in the porn industry are like actual victims of sex trafficking.
	And so when people watch porn, they don't even know if they're watching someone consenting to it or not.
	So it's a very like, it's kind of one of those industries that has a lot of evil to it.
	So I'm just wondering, do you know about that?
	And like, do you just before I have her answer that question?
	I want to ask the chat feedback on this.
	So oftentimes, look, I'm not a huge proponent of the porn industry.
	With that said, I do invite women who are involved in porn and OnlyFans on the show.
	Do you guys think that the conversations we have, and I have the chat pulled up here.
	Chat, do you think that the conversations we have on the show, like, do you think it's kind of played out?
	Like, like, do you think it's productive to like have the porn bad conversation on the show?
	Because it just, I feel like it's never productive.
	it's not really related to dating and you know like it's just what's that You know, it's like, look, we get it.
	It's not related to dating.
	You know, dead horse, redundant, played out.
	How is it not related to dating?
	Maybe I'll do a poll.
	I'll do a poll.
	Oh, hey, Jay.
	Oh, speaking of the dogs, Brickson, over 70% of genital herpes transmissions are spread without an outbreak.
	60 bodies equals 12 infected partners.
	Do you think this putrid creature in front of you is chilly clean?
	Hashtag vomit hashtag healthy.
	Whoa, Jay Butler.
	Rude.
	How dare you, sir?
	Please.
	No, I disavow.
	I disavow.
	I disavow.
	Jay Butler, as a urologist, I'd expect you to have a little more class.
	A little more class.
	Yeah.
	I will not stand.
	Okay, all right, whatever.
	All right.
	I don't know where we were.
	You were saying the porn doesn't affect dating.
	It's not part of dating.
	No.
	Ask me the chat if it wasn't.
	No, that's not what I was asking.
	It's just like, I feel like it's not even interesting for the audience to have a conversation with the girls about, oh, porn's bad.
	That's basically it.
	So everyone agrees porn's bad?
	Is that what you're saying?
	That it hurts relationships and it's run by trafficking and the patriarchy.
	Okay.
	We'll get to your patriarchy comments in a little bit.
	It's just like having the conversation with women who are in the industry, it's just like it's kind of, I view it as a bore, like it's just such a boring conversation, and it's like, it's just never productive.
	That's fair.
	I only think it's just for entertainment.
	I think it's only interesting because she just recently got into it, which was on it, but that's fair.
	Well, and it's just like it's not really related to dating.
	Like asking somebody, well, what, like, that's porn generally can be related to dating, but like having a conversation of like the porn's impact on the broader society is not really dating related.
	Nickelodeon donated $100.
	The snarky smile definitely tells me she knows and probably doesn't share either.
	This convo is a little played out, but important to know.
	To be fair, so is your World War II argument, Lol.
	The World War II argument will never be old, first of all.
	And I typically, you know, I typically go to World War I. That's my preferred war conflict to reference.
	I'm more of a World War I guy.
	You know, the uniforms were better.
	You know, so, okay.
	All right.
	Moving on.
	Let's see here.
	We have, I think we got through Katie.
	We have Angelique.
	Hello.
	Okay.
	You're a conservative feminist.
	Yes.
	I mean, I wouldn't necessarily put them together like that, but I am a conservative and I am a feminist.
	Yes.
	You are a conservative.
	You are a feminist.
	Okay.
	You, Can you explain how you're a feminist?
	Absolutely.
	I'm a feminist because I stand for equal rights for all people.
	Specifically, in our current society, the one right that people do not have equally is the right to life.
	And so I fight for the rights of all women to be born, firstly, and men as well.
	But since we're talking about women's rights specifically, why firstly women?
	Oh, just because we're talking about feminism.
	And a lot of times in modern feminism, which is not real feminism, I just don't really want to consider it feminism, but for the sake of the argument, modern feminism likes to say that we're fighting for women's rights.
	But to me, I look around in society, women have the same rights as men, except women have more rights than men because we have the right to kill our own children.
	So I'm a feminist because I stand for the original reality of feminism, which is simply at the very basis, a legal equality between men and women.
	And the original purpose of feminism was simply to have the same right to vote, the same right to do basic functions in society.
	You have to kill our own children.
	But you've already acknowledged that women do have all those equalities.
	Except the right to life.
	But how is that a feminist position?
	Because it's equality amongst people.
	We don't have equality amongst people right now.
	But women are capable of aborting their sons, their unborn sons and daughters.
	Capable or legally allowed to.
	What do you mean?
	I guess you're capable anywhere, but you can be illegal.
	But you said you're specifically talking about abortion, about aborting unborn females.
	I specify that for the sake of the argument that we're fighting for women's rights to choose, but I'm saying women before they're born don't even have the right to life.
	But why?
	Including men.
	Women will abort.
	It's a specific example.
	But I think it should be men and women.
	It's equality.
	I'm just confused why you seem to overvalue.
	I'm not sure.
	No, the value is the same between men and women.
	I think I understand what you're getting at.
	I'm only specifying it for the sake of the argument.
	That you're a feminist?
	Yes.
	How's that?
	I mean, it's also true that the original feminists were pro-life, and they fought against abortion.
	And I stand for original feminism, not the corrupt, fake feminism of today.
	But if you're anti-you're, I would categorize you more as a, I mean, abortion doesn't even strike me as like an egalitarian or feminist position, really.
	It does, because if you actually look at the abortion industry, it is highly patriarchal.
	Most men actually profit more and gain more from the abortion industry than women do.
	Abortion hurts women and it kills people and men profit off of it.
	The entire pro-abortion movement was started by men and we claim that it's some kind of like women's right when in reality it was started by men.
	Roe v. Wade was decided by men and the entire thing is they think the abortion is men's fault.
	It's not a fault.
	Absolutely not.
	Wait, but it's run by it predominantly it is run by men.
	Is that because most industries are run by men though?
	Sorry.
	Is that because most industries are predominantly run by men?
	You can argue that that's a correlation, but my point is specifically about abortion being claimed as a feminist movement that modern feminists are for abortion.
	That's just a fact.
	But if you actually look at the abortion industry, it's not run by women.
	Baby check.
	Thank you for the 20 memberships.
	Wait, so hold on.
	You said abortion is a tool of the patriarchy?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Well.
	It can be in many ways.
	But you say abortion was, I don't have a thorough history of abortion, but you're saying it's something that men wanted.
	Absolutely.
	Men wanted.
	I'm gonna have to look into that one.
	If you look at her like I don't remember the exact facts, but I remember learning about this as well it was mostly men behind the scenes pushing the abortion movement.
	Are you saying that like it's a depopulationist movement?
	Is that what you're getting at?
	It's like a more of a eugenics movement and that there are men who are at top of that spear?
	The founder of planned Parenthood, Margaret Singer, was a eugenicist.
	She was a racist.
	Her entire goal, as she was quoted to say, is to exterminate the like undesirables, and so that was.
	And she worked alongside Nathan Bernard Nathanson, and he was the one who founded NAROL, Pro-Choice America, and so it's literally an industry run by men.
	If you look at I mean, you mentioned PORT World, I'm not sure how is it?
	How is it?
	An abortion is an industry run by men?
	How so?
	Um well, you look at the reason why women get abortions and a lot of times it's because they don't have support um to to continue their pregnancy and they think that they're all alone in it.
	And oftentimes men say oh, you know I, I believe in a woman's right to choose and therefore they take a back seat to their, their own child, and so women feel the need to go and seek abortions because of that wait, hold on, and so oftentimes men are using abortion as a tool to escape responsibility, isn't it?
	I mean, I would like to see the statistics on this, but isn't it the case that like, it's about 50, 50 pro-life, pro-choice between, for both men and women?
	Statistics have proven that usually it's about 50, 50 throughout throughout the time since Robie Wade.
	But that doesn't necessarily change the fact that the industry itself i'm not talking about just general people what industry, industry of abortion?
	And how is it so you say that's controlled by men?
	It's very, very predominantly run by men for the menu.
	So who's the primary argument that?
	So who who, what institution or system uh is having?
	Uh, what's it called?
	Uh, what's the term when you uh provide an abortion what?
	What's the?
	Is it Planned Parenthood?
	International Planned Parent Federation?
	Yes okay, they're all over the entire world.
	Is that?
	So you're saying that's primary?
	I mean, I don't know what the like the, the UH c-suite looks like for planned Parenthood, but I mean it occurs to me that's.
	That's probably a very female heavy organization.
	It's a multi-billion dollar nonprofit and it was founded by the entire movement of the pro, pro pro-choice movement early around the time of Robie Wade, and it was founded by men.
	So you're saying, because the foundism, that's why it's, you can take the feminist, it's not just, it's not just the foundation of like Nayroll being founded by men, it's the idea that in our current society, if you look at, like sex trafficking for example, the amount, the amount of predators who go into planned parenthoods with their like 14 year old victim and they've gotten them pregnant, they go in there and there are, in many places, no need to have any kind of like determination if the person they're with is their parent.
	There's no parental consent or notification, and so men are going in predators of these children and having giving them abortions to hide the abuse that they're giving.
	So yeah, I mean wait, do you think?
	Wait.
	So you're saying, do you think that's the case for most abortions?
	It's not most, but it happens.
	The fact that it happens should be acknowledged.
	No, but you're, you're using an exceptional scenario to.
	That's one example of of the fact that it's it's a very patriarchal concept.
	It's also the idea that the modern feminism sounds like your logic is not sound on that.
	But okay, the modern feminism believes that in order to be equal to men, we have to have the right to kill our own children, and that is simply not true.
	Okay, but you're looking at Planned Parenthood on here and it it says that it was founded by Margaret Singer, Singer yes, a woman.
	And look up Nayroll.
	Nayroll in some ways has even more influence.
	I see the predecessor was the American Birth Control League and i'll look at that which Founded by Margaret Sanger.
	And he became pro-life afterwards, and he showed a video of what an abortion is, and he changed millions of people's views.
	This is getting into apex fallacy territory a little bit.
	You're looking at the behavior of one singular individual and sort of, I mean, what's that organization called?
	NAROL?
	So your argument is because there is one man who was involved in.
	That's not my argument.
	That's not my argument.
	You're saying that it's something that's dominated by men and men sort of profit from it.
	But wouldn't you also say that that's the case with most industries?
	And generally when there's money being made and when it's a big industrial, because abortion is basically an industrial complex, wouldn't you say that for the most part, men are going to dominate these industries?
	I think it depends on the industry.
	I can definitely, we can have a conversation about the beauty industry and have a whole conversation about that too.
	And I would agree.
	Sure, but I mean, the vast majority of industries will be run by men, right?
	It's used to control the idea of how women see themselves.
	And I think this is kind of no different in a sense.
	But my point is that it's the concept of women have been convinced to believe that in order to be equal to men, they have to kill their own children.
	And who is purporting this idea?
	Not just.
	But if you look at the marches that happen, the vast majority of the people who are protesting for abortion and the vast majority of people who are in favor of abortion and will die on that hill are women.
	So you can look at the very top and you can say there's the problem, or you can look at everybody else.
	I mean, all your protests are historically more women are pro-choice.
	Yeah, all the protests I've ever been to, either the pro-abortion side were paid for to be there and they're just random people who didn't actually care, or it was both men and women.
	Do you think it's a very good idea?
	The men were telling me no uters, no opinion, to my face.
	And I was like, what?
	So you think that more men are protesting for abortion than women?
	I don't think that that's an accurate example of whether or not abortion as a whole, whether I show it to a protest and somebody's there and he happens to be a man.
	But so if you look at a big protest with say 10,000 people all wearing their pussy hats, you don't think that that's a good representation of who is in favor of that.
	It's a good example.
	Because if you go to a beauty event and let's say hypothetically the beauty industry is run by men, you think a bunch of men are going to show up.
	It's a behind the scenes concept.
	That's why I mentioned that it's a very important thing.
	But it sounds like a conspiracy theory to me.
	It's the reason why I mentioned the abusers coming into Planned Parenthood and bringing these young girls who are victims of their crimes and hiding that crime.
	Why is sex trafficking like modern-day slavery?
	Yeah, I'd say sex trafficking is probably a different issue though to the issue of like why being anti-abortion is necessarily a feminist issue.
	It's connected though because you can hide abuse if you have abortion.
	Yeah, I would say that's an aspect of it that is obviously absolutely horrible and yeah I would agree with you there.
	However, your position though is that you're a feminist because of this abortion industry that is supposedly patriarchal.
	I'm not just a feminist because of that.
	The primary, primary reason why I'm a feminist, besides the fact that I agree with early feminism and my right to vote, the right to be here right now and have my own nonprofit, is because I'm a feminist because we should stand for equal rights for all people.
	And women don't have the right to fight.
	Would you say that the first men don't have the right to life?
	Wait, but men don't have the right to life either.
	I just said that.
	I just said what's the right thing to do.
	But if I was it like women don't have the right to life, equality would be genders having the right to life.
	So your position is you care more about female fetuses than male fetuses.
	So then you're not a feminist position.
	It's a pro-life.
	You're pro-life.
	don't understand the point i'm making no because you're not either you're not articulate articulating it very well or it's equality equal equality among both sexes would be both being having the right to life So are you arguing that women have less of a right to life than men?
	I'm arguing that women have more rights than men right now, which is not feminist.
	And I'm a feminist because I don't think women should have more rights than men.
	They shouldn't have the right to kill other people.
	It's really straightforward, actually.
	No, but then that's the same thing.
	Oh, so you want to walk back?
	I think I sort of see what you're saying.
	So you're an original.
	You call yourself like an original sort of first wave feminist, if you will.
	And you don't necessarily think that women don't have the rights.
	Like you would agree that they achieve their means.
	Their first people are.
	I think I see what you're saying.
	I don't believe we're literally sort.
	Yeah, yeah.
	I just have to say that.
	But I think that they just the abortion thing is not necessarily a feminist position.
	This is just a pro-law position because you believe in pro-law for both.
	I think I tell me, correct me if I'm wrong here.
	Okay.
	So you think that women, when it comes to abortion, they have a right that men don't have.
	Correct.
	Which is not equality.
	Therefore, you want to walk back women's abortion rights to create equality, aka true equality, and that would be a feminist position.
	Yes, but you also have to mention the fact that I believe both people should have equal right to life, which is the fundamental purpose of not allowing women to kill people.
	It's a pro-life position.
	Okay, all right.
	Let's define our terms here a little bit.
	You mentioned patriarchy.
	What is the patriarchy?
	I say this is the patriarchy in the sense that abortion is an industry that has been predominantly run by men.
	What evidence do you have for that?
	I mean, you can look at statistics on trafficking predators, on the people who founded the movements, and on the people who were on the court on Roe v. Wood.
	That's what I mean when I say that.
	It's not a conspiracy, it's a fact.
	But okay, you say that it's an industry that is run by men, but if you walk into, I mean, can we find the topic?
	Can you find the C-suite for Planned Parenthood?
	Who are the executives?
	I want to know the board.
	I want to know the executives for Planned Parenthood rights.
	The industry, not the board of Planned Parenthood.
	What industry?
	The industry of abortion.
	Which, and would you argue?
	Would you agree with me that Planned Parenthood is like probably the number one?
	Yes, I was the one who said that.
	But that doesn't mean that the board necessarily reflects the fact that the industry of abortion uses, has men using women and leaving responsibility for their child and using abortion as a tool for their own gain.
	That's what I'm talking about by patriarchy.
	Okay.
	Do you think that women use it as a tool for their own gain?
	Absolutely.
	So why is it patriarchal?
	It's primarily patriarchal in the sense that a lot of women have become victims to the idea that they don't actually understand what they're doing with abortion.
	And so a lot of times.
	So you think that the men do understand, the women don't?
	Wait.
	No, but a lot of times men don't care to find out, just like women don't, and they use it anyway.
	So you're saying that there's no moral equivalence there.
	The men are worse in this situation than the women.
	Because then a feminist position would be to try and like grid one motorsports donated $100.
	Patriarchy supports and values women.
	More men are pro-life than women.
	Accuracy matters.
	Feminism in all forms has failed you.
	How can the patriarchy help you today?
	Okay, we'll put a pause on this conversation.
	So wait, are you upset at the conversation or what's up?
	No, I just think it's like, I don't know, kind of like redundant.
	I feel like we're kind of just talking about the same thing over and over, which is like fine, but it's like...
	Do you need to speak into the mic, please?
	Can you skid into the table a little bit?
	Like, I mean, I don't agree with what's being said, but it's not like it's making me upset.
	It's just like, I don't know how to say it in not a rude way.
	It's like we're sitting here talking about the same thing for like hours.
	Do you have like a response to it?
	Do you have a stop, stop?
	Don't try to engage her in the conversation which she's about to leave for.
	Okay, so I'll get through your notes here.
	You're a liberal, correct?
	Yeah, I guess.
	You consider yourself a feminist?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Did you say how many total scenes you've done for?
	I don't have like an approximate number.
	Okay.
	But I kind of correlate it with that.
	I believe on your Instagram you described yourself as a cult leader.
	Is that correct?
	Well, that's like a joke, I guess, because I have like a darker aesthetic, but I think I would be like a really good cult leader.
	You think so?
	Yeah, I think I like can be captivating enough to get people to listen to me.
	I mean, you did a pretty poor job arguing the case for communism.
	Yeah, it was like under pressure, too, which I feel like, you know what I mean?
	Yeah, cult leaders should be able to be cool under pressure and be able to.
	We're working on that.
	If you're a cult leader, you should have been able to convince me to communism.
	You also say, this is on your Instagram, right?
	That you're a soul eater.
	Is that correct?
	No, it's on my Twitter.
	Oh, Twitter, excuse me.
	What is a soul eater?
	What does that mean?
	I suck really good, Ween.
	Like, dick.
	Can I say that?
	Excuse me.
	Okay.
	That's not what I, is that what you mean by soul leader?
	Like, suck the soul out.
	Okay.
	That's.
	That's fucking disgusting.
	Okay.
	You're an X-rated philanthropist, also on your Twitter.
	We talked a bit about your charitable givings, although you were unable to name the charities to which you donate to.
	Have you been able to come up with a few?
	You gave your homie like $100 to cover some fucking Plan B pills.
	Is that your philanthropy?
	No.
	Okay.
	All of that is kind of like a joke, like my Twitter bio, because I don't know, it goes with my aesthetic, but like philanthropist is kind of like a joke that a lot of like adult industry people say that's their job.
	Oh, you're joking.
	Okay, you're being facetious.
	Leaning into that.
	What do you mean?
	What's leaning into what?
	It's like, oh, I'm a philanthropist.
	Because you produce nude content.
	Yeah.
	You're doing a service to the people of the world with your, what did you say, dick sucking or whatever?
	What was that?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	So I did take a look at your Twitter.
	Or one question.
	Do you want to get married one day?
	Yeah.
	Do you want to have kids?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	Look.
	I looked at your Twitter.
	Yeah.
	I got to be honest.
	The shit that's on there, I saw you eating a dude's ass.
	Yeah.
	I got to be.
	Listen, you're an attractive girl.
	You're perhaps a little misguided on the whole communism thing, but hey, you know, listen, you're 20.
	You'll grow out of it, you know?
	You'll grow out of it, right?
	Jake here will fix you.
	You good, Jake?
	uh if you show the video if you were to show your twitter feed to your dating prospects that's gonna be a fucking no-go for like 90 percent of dudes dating wise Any thoughts on that?
	I don't really give a fuck, I guess.
	Like, I mean, if I gave like a shit about other people's opinions, I probably wouldn't do what I do.
	Fair.
	Fair.
	But do you, do you, do you agree with me in the sense that like probably 90% of dudes are going to check out from pursuing you based off of, yeah, but I have no issue dating.
	I mean, I haven't ran into any issues yet, so I'm cool.
	Okay.
	We do have a photo, Nick.
	I think I pulled up a photo.
	She's posing.
	This is the one we can show you.
	Oh, my God.
	This is the one we can show.
	Nick, did I pull it up?
	I'm scared.
	It's really not that bad.
	But if you go to her Twitter and look, okay.
	Oh, my God.
	She.
	So this is, yeah, that's her.
	So, this is the man whose ass I saw you eating.
	Yeah.
	Jesus, I can't believe I'm even saying that.
	I apologize to our earmuffs for the fucking, you know, the youth out there.
	That's where your G-Spot is, you know, I'm doing him a service.
	Word.
	Hunter donated $100.
	This is dumb.
	No competition at Tiny Daff.
	No F is way better than her Twitter.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	Thank you, Hunter.
	A dude C, like, I couldn't show the videos, the photos of you with him, but the ones with him.
	That was for a better site.
	90%.
	You can't, like, bro, I feel like you've closed the door on 90% of dudes.
	That's totally cool.
	Okay, all right, that's fine.
	You said after high school, before you started mainstream porn, you ended up sleeping with a science teacher that you had in high school.
	Yeah, I did.
	It was something I talked about in my first, like, porn interview, too, somewhere on the internet.
	Now, this was after high school, right?
	You weren't.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	I mean, still not.
	I would not co-signing that, but Nick?
	So, okay.
	How did, oh, how did you guys meet?
	Oh, my God.
	Okay.
	I was friends with his daughter, but then I ended up having him in science class.
	And then he was, like, flirting with me, but I was, like...
	In science class?
	I'm not saying anything.
	No, but when I say how did you guys, when I say you got how did you guys meet, I mean like, how did you meet again?
	Because you said you met again after high school.
	Like, I live in like, or like, I came from like a really small ass fucking town.
	So like everybody like spoke to each other.
	Everybody knew everybody's business.
	So like it wasn't really hard.
	Okay.
	And it just kind of happened.
	Like I don't know.
	Well, but like, okay, how long after high school did you guys a year after, two years after?
	Well, you're 20, right?
	So this is pretty recent.
	Is this your current boyfriend?
	You said you've been in a relationship for three months.
	No.
	What kind of science?
	Chemistry?
	No, it was biology, but.
	Okay.
	It's all biological.
	I'm trying to think.
	Yeah, it was like, I had like my first boyfriend ever, and then we broke up kind of like a year after we started.
	Yeah.
	So it was like probably like a year ago, like year and a half.
	Change the split neck.
	You met him a year and a half ago?
	But okay, like we hooked up like after.
	Did you meet him on a dating app?
	How did you connect after high school?
	Hunter donated $100.
	Anyone else see Brian's tent under the desk?
	He's really liking this conversation.
	Yeah, thank you, Hunter.
	Appreciate it.
	Come here, Jake.
	Everybody sees everybody like you run into somebody at the fucking Walmart.
	Okay.
	It's whatever.
	You know?
	Was it like a month after graduation?
	No, I had like a relationship like my last little bit of time.
	Okay, so you graduated high school.
	Into college.
	And then once me and my first boyfriend broke up, like, then I went back to my little hometown.
	And I just kind of had to.
	Okay, so you graduated high school.
	How long after graduating high school did you have sex with your high school?
	It was like a year and a half.
	Okay, how did you meet him again?
	Like I ran into him again.
	Where?
	On a dating app?
	No, no, like it was literally like Food City or something.
	And then we like chatted, whatever, and then we started messaging online, like through like social media.
	He messaged you or you messaged him?
	He messaged me.
	Okay.
	And it was like, was it a one-time thing or you guys were.
	It was like a few-time thing.
	A few-time thing?
	Was he married?
	Yes.
	He has a daughter.
	How old was he?
	Wait.
	I don't know exactly how old he is.
	40s, 50s.
	Yeah, around about.
	Okay.
	Wait.
	This is too personal.
	You said he was flirting with.
	You don't have to answer.
	You said he was flirting with you while you were a student.
	Do you feel?
	I cannot answer.
	That is a yikes.
	Okay.
	So.
	Do you not feel like guilty about that?
	It's like maybe the married man?
	No.
	Wait, he was married while you were.
	Okay.
	Why not?
	It's not.
	A lot of damage tonight.
	Okay.
	All right.
	You said the divorce rate, you said divorce rates wouldn't be so high in America.
	If more people experimented and found out what they actually liked, what do you mean?
	Yeah, like, I feel like most people aren't monogamous.
	That's not to say there aren't monogamous people, but I feel like most people probably are interested in seeing more than one person at once.
	So I feel like, I don't know, if more people, I guess, were Poly, like, they had, like, multiple suitors.
	Okay.
	There probably wouldn't be like such a high divorce rate.
	Like, you have a wife and like a girlfriend.
	And it was like spoken about and obviously not something that was like behind closed doors or like shady or anything.
	You know what I mean?
	It was like accepted.
	So you're, you, do you, you said you're in a relationship right now.
	Is it poly?
	Is it open?
	Um, outside my work, no, it's monogamous.
	It's monogamous?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Does your boyfriend, you said you, this guy you've been seeing, it's been three months, correct?
	But you shoot porn scenes with other men.
	Yeah.
	He does it.
	Your boyfriend doesn't have any issues with it?
	Nope.
	No issues.
	Nope.
	And I mean, if he did at some point in the future, I mean, we could talk about opening our relationship up, but it's not.
	What if he wanted you to stop?
	Then we could talk about that privately.
	Okay.
	I question any man that's okay with his girlfriend having sexual intercourse with other men for any reason.
	Okay.
	That's just like, I don't know.
	Is he a cuck?
	No.
	I'm not saying that to be insulting, but like it.
	Apollo Shonada donated $100.
	Hey, Apollo Shinoda.
	You changed your name.
	Thank you, man.
	But PLS bring this show on the road.
	As always, Madison is the only nine in the room.
	Quite a divided room tonight on the panel.
	Yes.
	Very divided.
	Apollo Shinoda.
	Thank you, man.
	Good to see you in the chat.
	You changed your name, though.
	I thought it was Shinoda, not Shonoda.
	Appreciate it, man.
	Wait, okay.
	So, and that's, oh, we got, oh, Hunter's back.
	Hunter donated $100.
	Dis-fucking-gusting.
	I would rather eat my own shit.
	I mean, no one's stopping you from doing that.
	Okay, wait.
	So.
	Yeah, I mean, I feel like it meets the definition of being a cuck if you are cool with your girlfriend having sex with other men, right?
	I think.
	No, it's like a job.
	You know what I mean?
	It's like any other job?
	I don't know if it's like any other job, but...
	But you're still having sex.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	With other men.
	Yeah, you're still having sex with other men.
	So even though it's like.
	I mean, cool, but like he's not a cuck.
	Do you do any scenes where like you get earmuffs for the for the virgins over?
	Earmuffs, guys.
	Earmuffs for the for the three virgin women over here.
	Do you do like scenes where other where men come inside of you?
	Yep.
	And then do you go home and have sex with there's a shower in between there.
	But it's like still there.
	That's shit.
	It can take a couple days to douche it out.
	Like what?
	But it's like still there.
	Like the remnants.
	Like they're still swimming in there.
	They're still.
	They are.
	They're swimming around.
	I'm telling you for a little bit.
	That's cool.
	Quick, cool, question.
	Question.
	Have you shot a scene with a guy and then that same day had sex with your boyfriend?
	And he's okay with her?
	I got, hold up.
	Wait, with them slimming in you or without them slimming in you?
	That's an asteroid, boys.
	Either way, you said an asteroid for that one.
	Oh my God.
	Wow.
	Asteroid scent.
	Has there ever been a time where you like the sex from a scene was so intense that maybe you're in a bit of pain and you didn't want to have sex with your boyfriend because of the sex that you had at your job?
	Yeah.
	Okay, that deserves a funny miss or a missile.
	A nuclear missile.
	Oh, there's the nuke.
	Okay, sorry, hold on.
	The nuke is currently going off.
	You're good.
	We have nuked the whatever podcast.
	What's your question?
	So you said you filmed a scene where you have had a man let it out within you.
	You go home to your man and he does it again.
	Is there, this may come across really offensive, and I apologize.
	Is he bisexual or gay by any like not gay, but like maybe bisexual at all?
	Does he go down on you, your boyfriend?
	After that?
	Okay, he's bisexual.
	No, he's not.
	He's gotta be.
	There's no way.
	But like, that's not the man.
	As a man putting your face down there and having another man's swim around and go all over the place in between your teeth and the tongue, like that's it's not like flowing out of my vagina.
	But it's there and it's in his mouth.
	It's just not how it works.
	There's residue.
	There's residue.
	It's sick.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Like there's nothing wrong with being gay.
	I'm just saying like that.
	He is not gay.
	I mean, then you would be so bisexual because you let your man cheat on you.
	Like then the same thing.
	Like do you identify it?
	You know what?
	I think she's biased.
	I guess you may have a point.
	I mean, bro, there's videos of you making out with chicks, so you're bi, but I mean, like, you know.
	I mean, it's maybe.
	But I mean, I think that's a little gay.
	That's just.
	I mean, you can feel that way.
	She feels that way, all right.
	Oh, look at that.
	We got a puppy.
	Oh, he has a lot of money.
	I think donated $100.
	I'd cow this dumb donation system accepted my typo, but whatever.
	Thank you.
	Brian, if you're running out of girls there in the lost lands, come to Austin.
	Sixth Street Girl fights and girls are pretty real.
	Dude, it would be dope to go to Texas to do a couple episodes in Texas.
	The thing is, I'd like I need, we have such a robust studio set up here.
	It's not really mobile.
	I have a spot there you could use.
	Appreciate it.
	Yo, grid one motorsports, gotta be honest.
	The one question a man never wants another man to be able to ask is, how does my blank taste may Christ have mercy on your soul because I cannot find any Abdul.
	You know what to do.
	Get the rocks.
	Abdul?
	Yeah, get the rocks.
	Get the rocks.
	Okay.
	Do you like accept cheating in your relationship?
	Like, are you okay with it?
	Do you think that you're going to be able to do that?
	I mean, if we were to get to a point where he would have an issue with me shooting, then maybe we could open our relationship up.
	But cheating is another thing.
	But do you not consider what you're doing cheating on him?
	No, neither does he, which is fine.
	What do you define as cheating?
	Like, he knew before we got into a relationship what I knew.
	I was very transparent with that.
	No, I'm asking, like, what do you consider cheating in a relationship?
	If, like, he were to get behind my back.
	No, you.
	In her defense, I'm not sure if it's cheating.
	Is he a cuck?
	Well, you're having a good time.
	How many times do you have to answer that?
	He's not a cuck.
	He's not gay.
	I'm not cheating on him.
	He doesn't feel like I'm cheating on him.
	I don't think it's cheating, but it's like, it's a major L for him to accept the circumstances.
	Wait, so hold on.
	Would you be upset if he wanted to start an OnlyFans and start fucking other women?
	Nothing.
	Okay, you wouldn't mind?
	Okay, we've had a girl on the show.
	She does porn, but she was like, no, my man could not do what I do, basically.
	Okay, so what else?
	We have, you think the divorce rates wouldn't be so high?
	Yeah, we talked about that.
	You're kind of in favor of polyamory.
	I feel like you can no pigeonhole men and women into fitting into a certain box and also don't agree that body count matters.
	I think we talked about the whole body count.
	Yeah, and that kind of goes with the pigeonholing thing.
	Like trying to make every woman like fit into this one box of like what would be like a high-value woman or like this purity shit.
	Like, I just don't agree with it.
	That's all.
	Don't agree with what?
	Like purity culture or whatever.
	I mean, it's not like I care about it.
	Like live your truth.
	You know what I mean?
	But like, I just don't agree with it.
	Okay.
	Do you think it benefits you to do what you do?
	Like it's better than if you didn't do it?
	Yeah.
	Why?
	I have more disposable income.
	I have more freedom.
	I have a lot.
	Like I can like own things at a very young age.
	Also, it's like, I feel like purity culture also really benefits men.
	That's not to say what I do doesn't in a way.
	But like I feel like the whole surrounding thing, it puts like this weighing like pressure on women and like trying to like value them by something.
	Whereas like being promiscuous, it's more on my accord.
	Do you think it makes me happier?
	If you found a man who valued it for himself as well, it wouldn't be as hypocritical.
	Because you're saying it's like hypocritical, right?
	For a man to be like, oh, women's values based on like whether they've had it.
	I mean, they can live that.
	Like a man or a woman can live.
	Blank back down, daft, and bark.
	Okay.
	So primarily it's for money, though, is what you're saying.
	Like you like being able to buy things and have like the freedom to buy things.
	Yeah, and I also like the flexibility of my schedule.
	Like I also like being able to express myself.
	Like I like being sexual and like also pleasing other people.
	So it's like fulfilling.
	I don't know.
	Oh, hold on.
	Let me.
	Apollo Shinoda donated $100.
	Don't care how many times she says it.
	Blondie, Batman, Eyeline, the girl's boyfriend is a beta cuck.
	Absolutely sickening.
	Okay.
	Dude, have a response to Apollo Shinoda?
	I don't really care.
	Like, I don't know.
	Okay, we have J-Rod coming in here in just a sec here, guys.
	Apollo Shinoda, thank you very much for your patronage, guys.
	Guys, twitch.tv slash whatever.
	Drops a follow, drops of prime sub.
	Whatever clips say, oh, there's J-Rod.
	Hold on, bring it back.
	Man, woman cheat different reasons, biology, sociology.
	Sure, male cheaters aren't men, but weak, selfish boys, sexually obese.
	Do you mean up to?
	Or narcissist wreck you, but believe they love you.
	Moment of weakness, skip gym.
	What's that thing from like the office?
	Who's the chubby guy on the office?
	Kevin.
	Kevin, he's like, why say many word when few word do trick or something like that?
	Thank you, J-Rod.
	Appreciate it.
	Guys, twitch.tv slash whatever.
	Drops a follow, drop us a prime sub.
	Go to our second clips channel, mods, if you can spam our clips channel in the chat.
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	Drop us a little sub if you can in the chat.
	Okay, thank you, sir.
	Okay, where were we?
	I think we were just dogpiling you, basically.
	How's that been going for you?
	Yeah, I don't know.
	I don't care.
	I do want to at least give you credit.
	I feel like, you know, you came in with some hot takes.
	Yeah.
	You said some dissenting opinions.
	So I give you credit for what's it called?
	You know, being a good sport.
	Being a good sport.
	Yeah.
	You know.
	Normally I try to stack the panels where it's more like people who disagree with me.
	There's people who disagree with me here, but good for you for being willing to have a debate and subjecting yourself to Jay Butler.
	Okay.
	I don't know if he's still watching, but okay, let's see.
	Are there any more notes with you?
	Venus Vixen.
	I feel like I had something, but I'm trying to see.
	Okay.
	You should stay for the whole show, though.
	That'd be very rude if you were to leave.
	Are you satisfied?
	Are you satisfied with the attention you've received?
	I've given you like 20 minutes of undivided attention.
	I know it's hard.
	I know TikTok has melted not your brain in specific, but you know, the brains of Generation Z, and it's difficult to, you know.
	Brain rot.
	You know, that whole thing.
	So.
	Let's get her an energy drink.
	Do you want an energy drink?
	I think that would definitely help.
	Do you like an energy drink?
	Let's get her an energy drink.
	What do we got some applesauce?
	Get her a fucking applesauce.
	Oh my God.
	Get her an applesauce.
	Bender the offender donated $100.
	She wants an applesauce too.
	She keeps it.
	You get an applesauce.
	Just like the southern border right now.
	You get an applesauce.
	Do we have any.
	We have cough drops.
	We got Ricola.
	Would you like a Ricola?
	What is that?
	Yeah, it's like a cough drop.
	I'm going to have to pass on the cough drop.
	You're passing on the cough drop.
	Okay.
	Keeps her long as I'm just like the southern border right now.
	Well, Bender the Offender.
	What the?
	Here's a dating-related question.
	Would you date an illegal immigrant?
	No.
	Wouldn't you be taking them.
	Well, yeah.
	Taking them what?
	Isn't it like you're like if you kill someone and then you're running from the police and then you go stay at another person's house?
	What is the word for?
	Isn't there a word?
	Aiding and abetting?
	Maybe.
	Wouldn't it be something along those lines?
	Like if you're dating.
	There's another word for it.
	I know what you're like aiding and seeking asylum or like you're and an accessory to accessory to immigrants.
	Criminal accessory.
	There's another word.
	There's another word though.
	Wait, what's the other word?
	So aiding and abetting, accessory, accomplice?
	Accomplice, maybe to illegal immigrants.
	Accessory, accomplice, complicit, harboring a fugitive.
	Yeah, all of those things right there.
	No, I wouldn't.
	Going around the table, would you date an illegal immigrant?
	No.
	Sure.
	Okay.
	No.
	Yeah.
	No.
	You know what I think?
	I'm in favor of illegal immigration for women between the ages of 18 and 29, preferably pole vaulters, gymnasts, preferably from Asian and Eastern European countries.
	I'm in favor.
	You know, it's unfortunate we don't have more of that type of illegal immigrant.
	That's a fair point.
	You've got a lot of immigrants around a lot of different places around the world from Ukraine and Russia at the moment.
	Go to Thailand, you can see many of them.
	Oh, also Israel, too.
	I wanted to talk about.
	And maybe, maybe another time.
	But what the, yeah, really, what is.
	Are we losing our country?
	I don't know.
	I think so.
	I think, yes.
	We need borders, don't we?
	I can't just build the wall.
	I want to go to move.
	I'll never be able to.
	I can't become Japanese, I don't think.
	I can't go to Japan.
	Oh, huh?
	What if I want to move to Japan?
	I can't just arrive and just stay there.
	I'll get deported.
	Yeah.
	Every other country has borders.
	What if I want to?
	I can't just become Japanese.
	What if I want to go, I want to move to Norway so I can benefit from their robust social security social safety net, rather.
	I can't.
	I'm not going to.
	Good girl.
	Where is the leash?
	Lull two panels in a row with animal girls.
	My Alician cholera at home.
	I'm sorry I left them.
	And I don't know.
	I feel like this is kind of a conservative panel, so I don't know if it's.
	But to me, it occurs.
	Like, if you it's interesting, like if we, any of us, were to go to some other country and we overstayed our visa or whatever, we would be deported and nobody would, nobody in that country would object to our deportation because we overstayed our visa or that we even crossed the border legally.
	But for some reason, when it comes to the United States, somehow it's wrong to insist that people immigrate here legally or that we have a strong border.
	Yeah, it's pretty much.
	What's going on?
	Are we losing our country?
	Yes.
	Pretty fast.
	I'm scared for the future.
	I'm scared for the future.
	Might have to annex Canada.
	I think we're going to annex.
	We're going to.
	I'm from Canada and I'm on board with that.
	Yeah.
	They need new leadership, huh?
	Yeah, I want to.
	Oh, yeah.
	Anyways, I think everyone in Canada hates Dustin Trudeau.
	Yeah, back to dating.
	Okay.
	Who do we have here?
	We have, ooh, we got Daphne.
	So Daphne, in your pre-show notes here, you said that you're conservative, correct?
	Yes.
	And you are traditional?
	I would consider that I've myself that I have a traditional mindset, I think, yes.
	Okay, you do OnlyFans, correct?
	Yes, I do.
	What kind of content do you do on OnlyFans?
	I do solo content.
	Have you done any boy girl content?
	Okay.
	I suppose that helps your case a little bit, but before, hmm.
	Okay, you have a couple things here.
	Wait.
	Wait, hold on.
	Oh, you said you consider yourself extremely traditional.
	I mean, I think I would.
	Yes.
	I think all the things that I believe in, that my values are pretty traditional.
	I know that I do OnlyFans, and that is not traditional, but I feel like that's the one thing that I do that is bad.
	What do you think is like the essence of a traditional conservative woman?
	Well, I'm from the South, so I grew up in a traditional family.
	Manners, I think I know my role as a woman, a traditional role as a woman, and I have expectations for a man to have a traditional role as a man in a relationship.
	It's like cooking, cleaning, being rather feminine in your temperament, you'd say.
	I would say I'm very feminine.
	I try and control being that and very submissive.
	However, do you think that being on OnlyFans and dressing as a cat and wolfing for people is an automatic disqualify?
	Do you think that that is something that makes you automatically not conservative anymore?
	I think it's definitely weird.
	I think it is not traditional, but I'm not perfect and I don't think anyone is perfect.
	Do you think it's a rather sort of A rather dominant aspect of who you are.
	Hunter donated $100.
	You can be traditional and not be perfect.
	I am a child of Christ or a Christian.
	I am not perfect.
	That doesn't exclude me from being Christian.
	They aren't mutually exclusive by any means.
	I mean, if the book says don't do X and you do X, I mean, yeah, you can be forgiven.
	People can repent and everything, but it just kind of depends if you continue to do it.
	Yeah, you know, even though you know that it's wrong.
	Yeah, that is pretty tricky.
	Wait, Nick, can you pull up her Instagram for me, please?
	Oh, he has it ready.
	Go to the reels.
	Just switch over to the reels.
	They're pretty weird.
	Scroll down.
	Okay.
	Scroll up a bit.
	Yeah, it's a little.
	Go to her tagged too.
	Go over to her tag.
	Tell me, pull it back up when you're at her tagged.
	Traditional, by the way.
	Okay, scroll down, scroll down, scroll down, scroll down.
	That's you making out with women.
	That's you making out with multiple women.
	Yes.
	This is not exactly the epitome of traditional, but you claim to be extremely traditional.
	How do you reconcile having the photos you've taken, the videos you've taken, doing OnlyFans, producing pornographic content, making out with women?
	How do you reconcile being extremely traditional?
	I wouldn't necessarily make an excuse for it.
	Obviously, that is not traditional at all.
	I wouldn't consider it a mistake, but I would consider it something that I have learned to not do.
	I was kind of confused at the time, and I was having fun.
	I know it sounds like a BS excuse, but I think with trial and error and, you know, the best lessons are always learned the hard way.
	And I think that I am growing as a person every day.
	I pray.
	I try and get closer to the Lord.
	And I think that, yes, I have made mistakes in the past.
	She's pandering.
	I'm not.
	She's pandering.
	No, I'm not pandering.
	I'm trying to answer your question to the best of my ability.
	So I apologize if.
	But you say you're trying to do better, right?
	But I mean, I still see those.
	One component of traditionalism is modesty.
	But I mean, you're not.
	No, go up, Nick.
	I mean, the.
	i don't even think can we even we we showed it earlier like you There's a photo.
	It's like looking right down Main Street.
	Yes, it is.
	It doesn't compute.
	I understand that.
	And they're still up online.
	Yeah.
	Apollo Shinoda donated $100.
	Question for the panel members.
	Would you retain a sugar daddy who told you he was anti-American and was a financial supporter of groups that actually want to destroy your profession?
	Who's anti-American?
	One of the financial support groups.
	Actually, want him to destroy.
	What?
	I don't want a sugar daddy.
	Would you retain a sugar daddy?
	I mean, what about you?
	If I want a sugar daddy.
	Oh, other OS girl.
	Who's anti-American?
	You might actually like that.
	Oh, are you anti-American?
	That's really broad.
	Like, I don't know what you mean by that.
	Like America.
	Are you anti-American?
	I mean, if I was taking his money, I'd be happy to take anybody's money.
	But are you anti-American?
	Potentially, I could be.
	I don't know.
	I'm filling it up.
	We're going to deport you to rob Cuba.
	Is Venezuela communist or is it socialist?
	It's socialist.
	I don't know.
	Okay, good times.
	So, okay, how do you reconcile your claims of being extremely traditional?
	And then you said something about Jesus Christ, too.
	It's not that you're just traditional, you're also Christian.
	I believe in Jesus Christ.
	I follow Jesus.
	Not necessarily a religion.
	Okay.
	Hold on.
	What does that mean?
	Wait, hold on.
	I mean, I bet you're not.
	So you're an atheist for Jesus?
	Is that a thing?
	I think that's a thing.
	No, I'm not an atheist.
	Who is John Gould donated $100?
	Can we go around the room and ask if they will vote for Trump or Biden and briefly explain why?
	Actually, fuck it.
	Let's just do it now.
	Okay, Trump or Biden.
	Why?
	Trump.
	And why?
	Yeah.
	Everything was better when he was in office.
	Biden is an incompetent idiot.
	It's beautiful.
	What about you?
	Neither.
	Neither?
	You're more of a Kanye gal.
	No.
	You vote for Kanye.
	Okay, what about you?
	I think votes are personal, but I wouldn't vote for Biden.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	Can I pass?
	I feel like deeply afraid of this question.
	Do it.
	Do it.
	I don't know.
	I don't know.
	Do it!
	No, Shaya.
	No!
	Do it!
	Shia, stop it!
	Dreams!
	Yesterday, you said tomorrow.
	So just do it!
	Make your dreams come true!
	Just!
	Nickelodeon donated $100.
	Thank you.
	Surprise, surprise.
	The communist wants to take everyone else's money and keep it all for themselves.
	Oh, the irony.
	I'm not taking anyone's money.
	I'm not pulling it out of their pocket.
	They're putting it in my fucking hands.
	Capitalism's beautiful.
	So is it Biden?
	Just say it's Biden.
	That's okay.
	No one's going to hate you.
	I really, I don't.
	It's not for you guys.
	It's more about everyone else in life who's.
	I feel like people get psychoanalysts.
	If you don't want to answer, that's totally fine.
	What about you?
	Neither.
	Neither.
	Correct.
	But hold on, but.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Neither of them are pro-life, and I only vote for anti-abortion.
	I thought Trump was.
	He's not.
	He's not.
	Well, he might not be.
	He's not like staunch pro-life.
	He sort of like tries to appease both sides.
	Yeah, which means you're not pro-life.
	You either believe it's killing a person or you don't.
	There's no such thing as middle ground for.
	Well, it's probably for him.
	It's probably like since he's Republican, it would be expedient for him to be pro-life.
	So if it was politically expedient for him to further pro-life positions or the pro-life causes, then he's probably better for you than you would think that, but he literally said to the Republicans who voted to make abortion illegal earlier that they were being dumb for doing that.
	So he's not pro-life.
	Did he say that recently?
	Pretty recently.
	He might, well, he's the kind of guy who kind of does things, like Brian said, to be politically expedient, though.
	Yeah, and when it comes to life and death, you can't be like wishy-washy about that.
	It's going to be hard, though, to find someone.
	Because first of all, they probably won't get elected because it's that much of a contentious issue if they're really super duper pro-life.
	So maybe they'd want to just sort of say they're not and then sneak it in after.
	Well, I think for the Republicans, it's.
	You can be pro-life.
	Yeah, none of them do that much for it, though.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	Trump.
	Yeah, heavy on Trump.
	You work at Rebel News, you said?
	Yeah, I do.
	Avi Yimeni?
	I mean, I haven't met him in person, but yeah, he works there with me.
	Have you met him?
	Because you're from Australia.
	No, no, but he's another Aussie.
	Okay, yeah.
	He's another.
	Great guy.
	Going back to your robust traditionalism.
	You know what I mean?
	Like, I pulled up the photos.
	Like, okay.
	Big part of being traditional is modesty, right?
	So you're dressing provocatively, wearing little clothing.
	You've got your ass out on Instagram, the internet, you're doing porn.
	It's not traditional.
	Also, on your Twitter, which I can't pull up, you're talking about coming and squirt earmuffs.
	We can hear you.
	Earmuffs.
	Guys, gosh.
	There's multiple videos of you licking and or fillating a dildo.
	What?
	Nothing about that is traditional.
	That is true.
	Yeah.
	And these are recent posts.
	They're not like from two years ago.
	Go look at her Twitter if you don't believe me.
	Yeah, there's.
	I mean, I get that that's not traditional.
	I wish.
	It's like a smack in the face.
	Yeah, I wish.
	It's a total affront.
	It's like a buffet.
	You want the buffet of traditionalism.
	I think that I know that it's wrong.
	I think my views on it, I have traditional opinions.
	I know that what I'm doing is wrong and not traditional, but I know that it's wrong and I still do it.
	I'm not sure exactly why, but I do know that it is not right and it is wrong.
	But I think that the way that I try and live my life, and especially in dating, I think that I try and be as traditional as I can.
	I mean, it's what I'm used to.
	Okay, but you're talking about like your behavior in dating is traditional.
	I would think so.
	But like, okay, I think one thing like a traditional man would want in a traditional woman is there not being photos of her sucking on dildos on Twitter.
	You know?
	I mean, no, you're not wrong at all.
	No, you're not wrong.
	I know that because of what I've done, I might not find that exact traditional man that I'm looking for, and that's not what I'm expecting.
	But just don't claim the traditional.
	Just say you're a modern woman.
	A non-modern woman.
	You're a modern woman.
	That's what you mean.
	You're a modern woman.
	Look, I'm not.
	That's fine.
	Don't steal.
	Don't cut.
	Props to Daphne.
	It's correctly spelled Daphne BTW for her Trump vote, as well as the others who were at minimum voting against ATU candidates.
	But Daphne, Jesus isn't liking what you're doing.
	I know.
	And I'm sorry.
	So I will allow you to claim your traditional title if on the show right now you take your phone and you delete your OnlyFans and you scrub your Twitter of your degenerate dildo sucking.
	Sorry, guys, I'm putting your earmuffs on.
	Will you like trolling?
	So you are you saying that if I delete my OnlyFans, I'll prove to you that I'm a traditional woman?
	You must.
	As the arbiter, as the patriarchy, as the representative of the patriarchy, as the arbiter of traditionalism, yes, that's what you got to do.
	And you got to prove it to me.
	I think that the most important thing is proving it to myself.
	I mean, it's what I believe.
	You know, I believe that I'm traditional, even though I do have a little craziness to me on the show.
	No, no, not just a little craziness.
	My dear, my dear, modesty and traditionalism go hand in hand.
	There's photos and videos of you.
	I don't know what you do on your OnlyFans, but just what's publicly available on your Twitter.
	That shit ain't traditional, son.
	It ain't traditional.
	Do you think that Jesus wants better for you?
	Go and sit down.
	If you think you're never going to get a good guy because of what you've done, wouldn't you want to improve just for yourself if you know what you're doing is wrong?
	Like, what's holding you back?
	I mean, I'm not necessarily looking for a relationship right now.
	I don't think that that's, you know, I'm not going to change my ways so that I could find a better man.
	I'm happy right now.
	You know, I'm the happiest that I've ever been.
	How are you happy if you know everything you're doing is morally wrong?
	Like, you're not going to be a good person.
	Not everything.
	Not everybody.
	But didn't you say you had a relationship with Jesus Christ?
	I do.
	How is that not getting away with your relationship?
	It's kind of like, you're trolling.
	You have to be trolling when you mention cooking and cleaning as being traditional as a woman.
	It is traditional, but not as traditional.
	That's such a strange specification.
	I know that it's not true.
	I know that that is not traditional, but you can be an actual traditional woman and not cooking clean.
	But what you're doing is not being a traditional woman.
	So.
	In the scale of the grand scale of things, you know.
	I mean, yeah, I mean, you have a point.
	I'm not disagreeing with you.
	I know that it's not traditional.
	I'm not trying to argue that.
	We'll come back to this.
	I need to get a couple chats in because they're about to drop off my thing.
	We have Fally here.
	Good evening, all.
	Kind of haram, but I wonder who would win.
	Oh, my.
	In a Miss Soul Eater or Miss Gluck Gluck, excuse me, 9,000 from a month or two ago.
	You remember her name being Lana?
	Okay.
	Haram!
	Thank you, Fally.
	Appreciate it.
	Maybe you should DM them and you can ask.
	Okay.
	Yogi Bear, thank you for the Canadian 50.
	Illegal immigrants vote for weak borders and all the other terrible policies that come with that.
	Not all are a drain on society, but most are.
	Look, I mean, America is a great place.
	A lot of people.
	A question for the conservatives.
	Apollo Shinoda donated $100.
	Brian, check yourself.
	The patriarchy is a red herring construct.
	Like all of the folk pejoratives, they throw around to gaslight the sheep.
	Oh, I use patriarchy totally in an ironic sort of memeing sort of way.
	I don't believe that there's a patriarchy.
	I believe we live in a gynocentric society, and the patriarchy is QAnon for feminists.
	On the illegal immigration thing, wait, shit, what was I going to say?
	You were going to turn.
	Oh, America's great.
	Oh, for the conservative people here.
	Would you guys be in favor of us helping these countries where a lot of people immigrate from, like, helping them in some way develop their countries so that we didn't feel the need?
	Yep, they didn't need cheap energy.
	And they need us not to take all of their best people as well.
	All of their talented people.
	Brain drain, yeah.
	You guys in favor of that?
	I would say we help them through our nonprofits that exist in the United States through the private sector and not through the government.
	Through the private sector?
	Okay.
	Because we can be art people as Christians and can help people.
	Or just as good people, we can help people.
	But we don't have to do it through our government.
	But if, let's say, if the cost to the American taxpayer for one illegal immigrant is $100 versus if we spent $50 to somehow bolster these other countries and that reduced one illegal, the cost to reduce one illegal immigrant from coming was $50, would it then make sense to financially?
	It occurs to me it would make sense to.
	I mean, I guess that's like an option.
	I just feel like having good borders would probably just be a better use of it.
	And also, you need to have a lot of different things.
	I agree with that with those countries as well.
	Like Europe, for example, when they killed Gaddafi, he was like stopping all of the people coming because they're all coming through Libya and he wouldn't let them come.
	And then that sort of just opened up the floodgates.
	And it's similar with Mexico.
	The floodgates are basically just open.
	We're getting a lot of chats here coming in.
	I'm going to try to read them.
	We have one.
	I'm going to get back to this one: Expose the Narcissist.
	We have J-Rod.
	Daph, I saw you smile reading my message.
	Good girl.
	You have a southern traditional heart with an untamed soul.
	You haven't met a strong enough man where you choose to truly submit, scared or looking.
	That's so good.
	Okay.
	All right.
	We have J-Rod.
	My Perfect Woman equals S-Stock.
	In the street, Daphne in the sheets.
	S-Stock, my textbook definition of a refined, classy, educated, conservative woman, a lady.
	My unicorn, does she shoot two-step and like sushi?
	Okay, I have no fucking idea.
	Can someone translate that?
	Thank you, J-Rod.
	Oh, we got Hunter to the other.
	Ask the girls if they have had any wild or extreme dating stories, maybe even Wild S3 Super L experiences or stories.
	I bet Daphne has some wild ones, lol.
	We'll come back to that one in just a second, Hunter.
	I have Chill 808 coming in here in just a moment.
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	Okay.
	All right.
	Romans 7:15:20.
	For the good that I want, I do not do, but I practice the very evil that I do not want from the Chill 808.
	Is that the Hawaii area code?
	808?
	Does anyone know what area?
	Is that yo?
	Chill 808.
	Thank you, man.
	Appreciate it.
	Thank you for dropping a verse there.
	Oh, we got Nickelodeon to Daft Nee.
	You claim to be some kind of religious.
	Name 10 books from the Bible.
	I thought the other one was leaving.
	I wouldn't say religious.
	I reeled her back in with a.
	I bribed her with an energy.
	Did we get her applesauce?
	No.
	Guys, we got to be on the applesauce.
	We got to be on it.
	Okay.
	Wait, so Daphne, you're.
	I wouldn't say religious.
	I believe any 10 books in the Bible.
	Name 10 books.
	Go.
	Any 10 books?
	Any 10 books.
	Any 10 books.
	It doesn't have to be the Bible.
	Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas by Hunter S. Thompson.
	The Bible.
	Tom Sawyer.
	A Heart is a Lonely Hunter by Alice Walker.
	All of the Harry Potter series.
	All the Game of Thrones series.
	The Craft of Intelligence by Alan W. Dulles, who was a former director of the CIA.
	The Sun Also Rises, or The Sun.
	Yeah, The Sun Also Rises by Ernest Hemingway.
	Cocaine Politics.
	It's a book about how cocaine basically runs everything.
	There's a lot of drug, corrupt money in the United States.
	I don't know.
	Naming 10 books on the spot is pretty hard.
	I can't remember how many I'm.
	Yeah, you did good.
	You did good.
	I'm proud of you.
	All right.
	We have.
	Oh, hold on.
	I'll read this one.
	Show of hands.
	Who thinks Jacob and Alyssa would make a cute couple?
	Grid one motorsports.
	Can you use some of that stock money and sponsor a first date?
	I'm Jake.
	That might be me.
	Are you Alyssa?
	Yep.
	We can talk.
	Show of hands.
	Good times.
	All right.
	We have base.
	Oh, okay.
	Hold on.
	Expose the narcissist to the girl that got cheated on.
	So sorry for what you went through.
	You're so strong, emotionally healthy, and beautiful.
	Wasn't your fault.
	Stay strong and take care of yourself and your daughter.
	And then he sent another one.
	Oh, thank you.
	He says, it's coming in just pretty much the same thing.
	To the girl that got cheated on, you're so strong, emotionally healthy, and beautiful.
	It wasn't your fault.
	Stay strong and take care of yourself, kind of worded a little differently.
	You know what, though, I do want to say, when that happened, when that happened, it should have been.
	The fuck out.
	Should be done.
	Oh, my God.
	A little bit.
	Okay, my bad.
	Sorry.
	Sorry, laptop.
	Oh, and then Hunter, Hunter was asking, asked the girls if they had any wild or extreme dating stories, maybe even wild sexual experiences or stories.
	Bet Daphne has some wild ones.
	Okay, Daphne, why don't you start?
	I got to get up.
	I have one that, I mean, obviously, is the first thing that comes.
	Oh, gosh.
	It's the first thing that comes to mind.
	Probably the craziest thing that's ever happened to me.
	And I didn't talk about it for the longest time, but I will talk about it here.
	So basically, I was 18 and I was working in a restaurant.
	And I met this guy who was a little bit older than me.
	He was like around 30.
	So we started dating and talking.
	I eventually ended up getting fired from the restaurant and went somewhere else.
	He stayed, but we moved in and we really fell in love.
	He was pretty quiet.
	Didn't really talk about his emotions too much.
	He was a very kind of closed-off person, which I can respect.
	But we had a pretty interesting and unique relationship dynamic.
	I was like his dog and he was like my owner.
	So I know this is strange, but like I would have a little kennel that I would stay in and I would sleep in my kennel.
	And if I would try to get out, he'd like spray me with water.
	I had a little dog bed that I would keep like under his gaming setup and like sleep under there like his little dog.
	I know that's strange, but yeah, our relationship I think was, I loved it.
	I loved being his pet.
	Okay, no, continue.
	And so we talked for about like a year and a half.
	And then, so he brought up that his mom got married and I hadn't really ever talked to my father.
	And this is kind of the first time that he talked about his family.
	I wasn't ever really bringing up whether he should meet my family.
	I felt like that wasn't my place to bring it up.
	So he brought it up about maybe meeting his family.
	And he had just told them about me.
	So he was like, yeah, my mom, you know, just got, you know, recently married a couple months ago, remarried.
	And, you know, I think that we should, his family lived in LA.
	He was like, I think we should take a trip up to LA.
	And goes to show me a picture of his mom.
	And she married my dad.
	So he was my stepbrother.
	But it wasn't.
	It was a real story.
	I feel like that sounds standard to the audience.
	Oh, it's real.
	It wasn't, but it wasn't weird.
	I wasn't grossed out by it.
	I wasn't thinking like, oh, this is strange or this is sick because we had been talking for a while.
	But we ended up breaking up a couple months after that, but it wasn't because of that.
	But we didn't really know how to talk about it.
	I didn't really bring it up because it kind of made me, I guess, a little bit uncomfortable.
	I didn't like it.
	It's not like it was a kink.
	It's not something that I had, you know, I think about like, oh, this is hot in a sense.
	Which I don't believe anything.
	I feel like that's kept.
	Are they still together?
	They're lying about everything.
	I don't know.
	Your mom and his dad.
	I'm not sure.
	We don't talk.
	I feel like you're just trying to create this as some kind of fantasy for weird men online.
	And that's like your whole persona.
	Also about the dog thing, was that like your whole entire relationship?
	Or did you guys like actually treat each other like humans for a certain point of time?
	Or is that a thing that went on for like that wasn't the whole thing?
	I mean, obviously I walk and talk like a human, but I enjoy acting like a dog.
	It's comforting for me.
	Like growing up, when my mom got married, we got a dog.
	His name was Sebastian.
	he was a rottweiler and i would go out and you know i was very sheltered so So I would kind of, my dog was like my best friend in a sense.
	I would act like a dog.
	He would sleep in my mom's room.
	I would go sleep in his kennel.
	I'd get in trouble for it.
	But, you know, I drink out of a bowl.
	I feel like it's more, it's not a kink thing.
	Like, I don't look at it as a kinky thing.
	I know other people may do, and that's okay.
	This is the second time in two podcasts that I've been confronted with a dog person.
	Maybe, maybe, maybe this is something that's more common than I thought.
	It's not a kink.
	And I see how it could be.
	Do you think that you said you really enjoy being very submissive to a man?
	You don't like making your own decisions.
	So do you think that you were at his feet, literally, and you were sleeping on a mat?
	Do you think that this is a sexuality?
	You were turned on by the fact that you were being controlled like a dog?
	I think in a sense it does.
	You know what that is?
	Biblical submission is nothing that you're describing, right?
	What do you think?
	Biblical submission means you're submitting to a man who deserves to be submitted to and you respect yourself because he respects you as well.
	So like the idea that you're equating like biblical submission and like your religion or lack of your Jesus relationship with submission as a dog doesn't add up.
	Like it doesn't, it's not the same thing.
	Only anything adds up.
	Yeah, so there's just a lot of things.
	I mean it's what I enjoy.
	I know that it's hard to believe, but can you agree that that's not the same type of submission?
	So when you say that you believe in like biblical submission, that's not what you're doing.
	Well, I never said that I believe in biblical submission.
	I did say that I am submissive.
	You're a crazybody in the Bible, right?
	Do you not believe in the Bible?
	Do you believe in the church that Jesus founded or you just believe in Jesus?
	I mean, I believe in the Bible.
	I believe in Jesus.
	I'm not the most religious person.
	I feel like obviously that's something I need to work on and get closer to the Lord.
	But what do you, do you have like things that you do to do that?
	Or like what are your usual emotions?
	I do a Bible study on Tuesday.
	It's called like Life Men's Bible Study.
	I'm trying my best to learn as much as I can.
	I know that I'm not the most...
	Do you do it online or in person?
	It's online, but I have printed out.
	I can pull up a photo of like the formats, the prompts that we have that I look over.
	But I'm learning as much as I can.
	I feel like I can obviously do better.
	And that's what I'm trying to do.
	Get closer to the Lord and try my best to.
	Yeah.
	That's good.
	If you are doing that, that's fantastic.
	But I felt like you were being a bit like tongue-in-cheek before and you were saying, oh, I get on my knees and I pray to him every night.
	I do.
	I pray every night.
	Yeah, but the way you said it, though, you said that you were trying to be tongue-in-cheek, cheeky, and looking at the camera.
	And it's not really the way you should say it.
	I mean, that's, yeah, that's fair.
	Were you being tongue-in-cheek, though?
	I wasn't trying to.
	I think I come across as flirty or cheeky when I get nervous.
	So, yeah, maybe, but that wasn't my intention behind it.
	Yeah.
	Do you treat like all of your other relationships kind of how you treated the one that you just described?
	I like to be.
	I'm not a relationship-wise.
	Yeah, I like to be treated in that sense.
	I'm always very submissive.
	I feel like, I mean, I've only been in two real relationships, I guess.
	And I prefer to be submissive all the time.
	I think it's like my duty, I guess.
	I feel safer that way.
	I don't want to have to make my own decisions.
	I don't want to have to, I guess, really just make my own decisions.
	It's just what I prefer.
	I feel like I need a sense of control.
	I am, have like a wild card, I guess.
	And I feel like I need that guidance and those rules and consequences that can kind of keep me, you know.
	If you don't mind me asking, and you don't have to answer this, but do you have some kind of like childhood trauma or something that happened to you that might have caused this?
	And you don't have to go into detail.
	No, no, that's fine.
	I mean, I think that's a fair question.
	I am into some weird stuff, and I think most people who are into really weird things do have that trauma.
	I don't.
	I don't think.
	I mean, my parents got divorced when I was really maybe one.
	Apollo Shinita donated $100.
	We have a serious mental health crisis in this country.
	But I don't think that that directly affected me growing up.
	Was your dad in your life when your parents got divorced?
	I mean, I was probably one years old, so I don't really remember any of it at all.
	I think maybe that's a good thing.
	But no, I don't have any childhood trauma.
	I think that's a good idea.
	Seems like a single mom, raised by a single mom?
	She got remarried.
	Okay.
	Did that man treat you well?
	Like, was he a good example?
	Yeah.
	Good.
	Wait, going around the table, who hears parents are still together, just one by one.
	Go ahead.
	Mine are not.
	Nope.
	Mine were before my mom passed.
	No.
	I don't want to answer.
	Yes.
	Yes.
	Shout out, mom and dad watching.
	Yo, shout out Sarah's mom and dad.
	Are they watching?
	I don't know.
	I think so.
	They knew I was doing this.
	Sweet.
	Okay.
	What did I miss, guys?
	It seems like I stepped away there.
	Something about dogs and kennels or something.
	Yeah, I am.
	I'll fix it.
	But no, I don't have.
	I mean, I don't think I have any childhood trauma.
	I think I'm just maybe a little bit weird.
	Okay.
	Let me get a couple chats here.
	We have Lune.
	And if anybody else wants to answer that, that's Luna Rue donated 50.
	Hey, thank you, man.
	I feel that Daphne's afraid to say that she's doing this for the money, but an offshore amount of work.
	She isn't technically the same person as she posts, an actor.
	Daphne, what's your take?
	Explain.
	I mean, obviously, I want to do OnlyFans for the money.
	I'm not making a bunch of money right now.
	I'm really not.
	How much are you making?
	I mean, I don't want to say an exact thing.
	Five figures?
	What?
	No.
	Five figures a month.
	Five figures a month?
	No, I wish.
	I wish.
	No, I'm not like rolling in the river.
	Well, I mean, yeah.
	Or don't step it up, excuse me.
	Don't step it up.
	I mean, obviously, the goal would be to make a bunch of money and be able to get all the things that I would want.
	But I'm not rolling around in a bunch of money.
	That would be really cool, though, if I was.
	Seaberg, people do not decide their futures.
	They decide their habits and their habits decide their futures.
	FM Alexander, when you make a choice, you change the future.
	Deepak Chopra.
	Chopra?
	Chopra?
	Thank you, Seaberg.
	Hey, good to see you in the chat, man.
	Appreciate your patronage.
	Thank you, dude.
	We have Stochastic 316.
	Is this the same as Stochastic Decay?
	Thou shall not subscribe to her or her OnlyFans.
	You don't have a chance with her.
	You can't save her.
	I forbid everyone watching from DMing or subscribing to her OnlyFans.
	You.
	Okay.
	All right.
	I almost feel, is that like a reverse psychology thing?
	Like you're actually trying to get people to sub to her.
	Sounds like it.
	Seems a little bit more.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	All right.
	All right.
	I think we're all caught up on.
	Oh, we got one from CJ here coming in hot.
	Ladies, please reiterate your age and state the theoretical maximum age of a man you would consider dating for the purposes of marriage.
	Okay, we can do this.
	Starting with you, what's your age and what's the oldest man you would date?
	I'm 24.
	I think realistically I would date up to I don't know, 70.
	I like older men.
	But I feel as long as they're the pandering continues.
	As long as they can make sense.
	I think as long as they can make sense.
	But I don't know.
	I mean, I haven't been.
	I don't think you have Alzheimer's as well.
	Yeah.
	I'm going to try and not judge.
	I haven't seen it.
	But you wouldn't date Joe Biden, right?
	Well, no, he's.
	He actually would.
	No.
	But what if he wanted like a pet dog relationship?
	He's liberal, so no.
	I wouldn't give him that.
	Crazy.
	Yeah, you'd need to be the owner.
	Are you dating to get married?
	Are you going to get married for like two years?
	I'm not dating right now.
	I'm not dating right now.
	I don't plan on dating right now.
	Right now, I'm just trying to.
	But I'm saying if you dated a 70-year-old, then you wouldn't have very much time.
	I mean, yeah.
	No, you're not.
	I mean, that's strategy, though.
	Joy does on your discount.
	He kicks the bucket and you get the would you date a 28-year-old Australian man?
	They have to come by.
	I don't know.
	I think, I mean, obviously, age is important, but I think I do go based off of personality, but I, I don't know, maybe.
	Okay, what about you?
	I'm 20, and maximum age for marriage, oldest guy that you would date.
	I feel like 27.
	Like, for something serious, yeah.
	What about you?
	I'm 28.
	No older than, like, 34.
	I got a chance, boys.
	Okay, what about you?
	I'm 28, and I don't know, probably like, I probably try to keep it within a decade range.
	Okay.
	I'm 24, and I don't really know.
	Probably, probably like 28 or something.
	Okay.
	I'm 19.
	I'm about to be 20 in a couple weeks.
	So the oldest I would date maybe would be 24 or 25.
	Sure.
	I'm 20.
	I haven't thought about this too hard, but probably like 26 is the oldest right now.
	But I'd date older in a few years.
	Okay, we have that.
	Let's see here.
	We have a few more notes.
	We have, where were we?
	Okay.
	We have a few more from Daphne.
	Did you say the step bro story?
	Did she say?
	Yes.
	Uh...
	Can you tell it again?
	Because I wasn't.
	I don't recall.
	Yes.
	So I was working at a restaurant when I was 18.
	I don't care where you are working.
	Why do, I don't know if this is sexist, but like, why do, it seems to me, it occurs to me that when women tell stories, you need to tell us shit that does not fucking matter at all.
	Not all women.
	Not all women.
	But for some reason, and me and Becky were talking, and then, oh, we had a fucking cob salad.
	You asked.
	No, the king of chief donated $100.
	Girl one, the cat.
	Who told you that your makeup was attractive?
	You mentioned you are not going anywhere with that act.
	So how did that happen?
	Why continue?
	My mate.
	Wait.
	I'm confused by the question.
	I think they're asking, like, why, how it happened that you've been acting like a dog/slash cat.
	I don't know.
	Oh, um, I just enjoy it.
	I feel comfortable doing it.
	I like it.
	I know it's weird, and I know that people may judge me, and I'm okay with that.
	But I, it makes me feel comfortable.
	I enjoy acting like a dog and being completely submissive and controlled.
	And, you know, I know it's hard for me to say, like, don't kink shame because I kink shame and I get it.
	I get it.
	I do.
	It's weird.
	It's strange, but I like it, and it makes me feel safe.
	And that's what I'm saying.
	Would you date a dog?
	Not like a literal dog, but like a woman who wants to play, pretend.
	It wouldn't be in my purview.
	And I can't really see.
	I don't really think I know anybody who it would be, but it's obviously a kink, and you're obviously getting subscribers for it.
	And this act is obviously going to get you subscribers as well.
	So yeah, power to you.
	You know, I'm not going to lie.
	I might actually be willing to go for it.
	I might be okay with it.
	But seriously, what is like the mentality?
	I'm sorry.
	What is the mentality behind that?
	You playing the part of the animal, but then like, you find yourself in a relationship with a man who's basically a like there's gotta be some attraction to like the like the animal that you're pretending to be.
	Like it's kind of, where's the mentality behind that?
	You're insinuating bestiality.
	Yeah, I guess Apollo Shinoda donated 100.
	Again, we have a serious mental health crisis in this country because, like I don't, I don't understand, like I I well, I guess you're into it, so I guess it makes sense in.
	Yeah, so do you like identify, but like it's just like.
	For me it's like, why would I seek out that type of man who's into that?
	Like yes no, I get it, it is.
	It is strange, I understand, it's it like I get your question.
	Um, I know I don't identify as a dog, I know that i'm a human.
	Hunter donated 100.
	Okay Brian, watch your mouth, she ain't interested.
	Wait wait, who her dog lady?
	I know i'm not a dog.
	I think people who?
	Or a cat, I think people who identify as those like animals, what are they called?
	Like the Etherean or something otherkin theory?
	Yeah, I think, I think that's weird.
	I know i'm a human like, I know that I just I have this thing where I really enjoy being completely submissive, like I don't I just have to do like an animal, like why do you have to be a dog when you do that?
	It doesn't?
	I just growing up being sheltered, like I wasn't allowed out of the house, I wasn't really allowed to have friends, I was never allowed to go to parties I had.
	My mom and my stepfather were very, very strict with me growing up so the only I like were you allowed to have friends or be let out of the house?
	No, I mean, I wasn't allowed to go out on the weekends like I had friends in school.
	But you know, on my own time, when I was with my own thoughts like what could I do?
	I just had like a dog and so I would pretend to be a dog and I would go run around outside and do dog like wait things.
	When did this?
	How old were you when this started on it, I think before I remember I i've always, I mean, been this way.
	I guess I can't really think of a time where it like started.
	I just know that i've gotten in trouble for sleeping in my dog's kennel.
	I've gotten in trouble for trying to eat my dog food wait, there is something like, Jake okay, entertain me here for a sec, all right.
	Like there is something kind like, do you know that scene?
	I know what you're gonna say.
	There's this scene in the office, and this dynamic didn't exist where Michael and Jan were dating, and she made Michael sleep at the edge of the bed.
	Not even that it was like this little ottoman at the edge of the bed.
	And like, bro, that's kind of fucking dope, dude.
	Come on, right?
	You're the dog.
	No, She's the dog.
	The girl's the dog.
	Oh, okay.
	Sleeping arrangement.
	You get to sort of have you a space.
	I don't enjoy sleeping with people, though.
	No, see, well, for me, like, I. Like in a bed.
	I don't like sleeping in the same bed with the children.
	Like, go in the other room, please.
	Get out of here.
	Go in the guest room.
	I drool a lot, so I get self-conscious about me sleeping, so I don't like to sleep in the same bed as somebody.
	I really don't.
	She's drools.
	We like harshboard drooling.
	Submissive is good.
	Guys, by the way, I'm joking a little bit.
	No, and I. Submissive adult human female.
	I agree.
	I am a human.
	I am not a dog or a cat.
	I know.
	I'm not afraid of the studio.
	Spencer, get me the leash.
	You know what?
	I'm signing up for this.
	Instead of saying you like being submissive, would you agree that you would say I like being owned?
	Yeah, I would, actually.
	So you agree that if you had a boyfriend, they would be your owner, not like your boyfriend.
	I would, yeah.
	I do.
	I agree with you.
	Do you ever generally human beings should be owned by other people?
	Like, is that something that you agree with?
	Obviously, that's something that sounds a bit intense.
	But that's what you're saying, right?
	For me personally, that's what I like.
	So you like being owned?
	I do, yeah.
	But do you ever find yourself like you doing whatever and then you're like, oh, like shit, like this guy, Loki, might be into the animal aspect of it.
	No, I don't.
	I really don't take it that far.
	I love my animal ears.
	I mean, maybe, maybe.
	I don't think it's that far.
	I do have a kennel.
	Why would you be with someone who sees you as like an animal?
	Like someone who wants to dehumanize you like that and own you?
	Why would you want to.
	That's why I was asking about yourself work.
	I think that if a man can look at me and think that I'm a dog, that's a bit weird.
	But obviously human beings have a lot of fun.
	How's your leash discipline?
	Do you have good discipline on the leash?
	I don't tug.
	I don't pull on the leash.
	Do you guys have walked in the street?
	No, I haven't been walked in the street.
	Just around the house.
	What's your breed?
	Around the house.
	Like, what breed do you mostly identify with?
	I think if I were to pick a breed that I identify with, I would say German Shepherd.
	They listen really well.
	I get more like Wiener Dog from you.
	Really?
	I get more of a wiener.
	Like a long-haired wiener dog?
	No, like that wiener dog from Pretzel.
	Oh.
	Was it?
	I would be a German Shepherd.
	I think they're a beautiful.
	German Shepard.
	Yeah.
	No, get out of here with that.
	So a wiener dog it is then?
	Yeah, you're a wiener dog.
	I'm sorry if this is rude.
	Do you pee outside when you're afraid?
	Okay, so I have before, but that, I know it's weird.
	Okay.
	In the grass, but that's when I was growing up.
	Now I feel like that.
	That's when you're a puppy.
	Wait, hold on.
	When you're a puppy?
	Yeah, when I was a puppy.
	Wait, question.
	Have any of you had a puppy, like, had a dog, right?
	Yeah.
	I don't know if you with your dog, like, you know how, like, I don't know.
	I had a, I had a, oh my God, how am I. Golden retriever.
	Excuse me.
	I was blanking there.
	I had a golden retriever.
	And, like, it was weird.
	Like, whenever he squatted to take a shit, he would, like, always, like, look at me.
	Yeah, I've always been.
	He trusts you.
	Oh, yeah.
	It's a sign of trust.
	He just literally say, do something.
	He kind of looks like me, actually.
	He could even be like, the dog could be facing away from me.
	And if I was standing behind him, he'd like while shitting.
	I've had goldens too, and they always do that.
	And I hate it.
	I'm like, stop.
	It's a sign of trust that you're like watching their back, like you're watching their life.
	You're sign of vulnerable.
	You seem to know this quite well.
	Yeah, I guess I do.
	Oh, no.
	Wait, hold on.
	So, does this like a question for you, though?
	Is this like strictly.
	Does this not manifest itself?
	Is this manifest itself in a sexual way too, or is it strictly like an innocent sort of way?
	It started off innocent.
	I would love to say that it is all innocent, but in a sexual way, I think it does come out.
	Do you, did she say, do you bark during sexual intercourse?
	I know.
	I know it's weird.
	Do you?
	No, it's okay.
	I know it's weird.
	You bark during sex.
	I have.
	I think she's acting a little bit here.
	I can detect you.
	I think it's weird when I.
	I don't know.
	I mean, yes.
	Yes, I have.
	But.
	Welcome to the whatever podcast.
	Whatever Doug can do.
	I know, I know it's weird.
	I know.
	But yes, I have.
	When you're climaxing, do you.
	Oh, no, no.
	No.
	That's weird.
	You don't bark?
	No.
	That's weird.
	That's where you draw a line.
	Yeah, that's my hair.
	Yeah, that would be a great actress, though.
	I will say that.
	Okay, whatever dog cast.
	Okay.
	I just want to apologize for the wolf of a dog cast.
	No, it's.
	I'm not trying to judge.
	No, don't apologize at all.
	It's weird.
	It's okay.
	Oh, yeah.
	You were telling me about.
	So basically, I'll recap the stepbrow story for you.
	You were with a guy for a couple months.
	Obviously, we were having sex anyways.
	Okay.
	Turns out he's my stepbrother, and that didn't necessarily stop us, but we aren't doing anything anymore.
	Wait, stepbrother.
	So was there any relation?
	No, not blood relation.
	So it's fine.
	Is that weird?
	I don't think that's.
	It was.
	I mean, it's not illegal.
	Did you guys grow up together?
	No.
	So, like, your dad remarried, you were 19, and then he was your so his parents were divorced.
	My parents were divorced.
	My dad married his mom.
	So it's not illegal.
	He wasn't like my blood brother.
	We weren't related.
	I mean, aside from the like potential conflict of.
	I've read this in a script before, I swear.
	Like, this is so.
	No, you skip this part, eh?
	This is Brazzer's script.
	It is pretty browser's.
	Okay.
	Let's see.
	Okay, you talked about the whole Kennel thing and being treated like a dog.
	How is your mental health?
	Like, are you on any medications?
	No, I don't take medication.
	Have you been diagnosed with anything?
	No, I haven't.
	I know that I'm weird, but I try my best to stay away from Apollo Shinoda donated $100.
	She's craving and getting too much attention now.
	Please move on from Daphne.
	Correct spelling.
	Can I answer this one question about medication?
	Sure.
	I think medication is evil.
	I feel like the FDA doesn't approve of anything that cures.
	And I feel like if you take a medication, there's just going to be more side effects to it.
	So I try my best to stay on a natural path.
	But no, I'm not on any medication.
	I don't really want to be on any medication, and I don't trust doctors.
	I just don't trust it.
	I was more asking about any mental diagnosis.
	It just seems like it's not something a mentally healthy person would do who grew up, you know, with two parents in the home and no trauma.
	I mean, that's a fair assessment.
	Yeah, that's a fair assessment.
	Very not believable.
	Who knows?
	Maybe I could, but no, I haven't been diagnosed with anything.
	Cool.
	You said, you said you'd like to get very controversial.
	You like to play devil's advocate and have no problem talking upstorm on any topic.
	I mean, is there any, I don't want you to play devil's advocate, but is there anything dating related that you actually do have very controversial views on?
	I think, I mean, yes, in a sense.
	I also think a big part of the controversy comes from the fact that I am an OnlyFans girl and that I still view things that I don't uphold, like the body count and the value, things like that.
	I think that's pretty controversial.
	Well, you wrote here, you think modern day dating is a bit asinine.
	I am traditional and think a man deserves a woman who can protect his spirit.
	I think a high-value man deserves to have a woman that he constructs within his head or his ideal girl as I can only imagine what he has.
	Holy run on sentence, Batman.
	What he has had to go through to get into this position of authority.
	Let's see.
	So you are a traditional woman, you deserve, and think a man deserves a woman who can protect his spirit.
	Interesting that you bring up spirit there.
	You mentioned deserves a woman who can protect his spirit.
	Do you think a woman who is or was involved in porn like yourself is capable of protecting a man's spirit?
	I do.
	I do.
	I think maybe it might not be the spirit of a high-value man.
	I think I can protect a man's spirit.
	I'm very feminine, and I think that my feminine energy brings a balance to the masculinity that I look for in a relationship.
	But I think, like, you say protecting a man's spirit, but like perhaps that's.
	I mean, I don't bring drama.
	I don't bicker.
	I don't.
	No bickering?
	No.
	No bickering, no drama, no fighting.
	I try my best not to argue.
	Obviously, I go through those moments where I think, like, oh, you know, he's mad at me.
	And I need that little bit of reassurance, but I think that's normal.
	But I don't bicker.
	I don't fight.
	I don't argue.
	I do as I'm told.
	I think that is protecting a man's masculinity, not causing more stress on him than there already is.
	What about other aspects of protecting his spirit?
	Like not having for those of you filleting dildos on your Twitter.
	Hello.
	That's rude.
	It's a spirit killer.
	Major spirit killer.
	If I was your boyfriend, I'd be like, take that shit down right now.
	I would.
	Take it down.
	Delete your OnlyFans.
	Should I just date these OF girls so they delete their OnlyFans?
	Is that one by one?
	One at a time.
	I'm putting in the work, bro.
	I'm fucking doing God's work.
	What about like, you know, emotional support and like, you know, just being there?
	Like, you know, in a relationship, typically like men rely on women for that kind of stuff.
	You know, society tells men, like, oh, tough it out and whatnot.
	And I'm not disagreeing with that point of view and whatnot, but like when you're the woman in a relationship, you want to be that kind of like person that he leans on, you know.
	Yeah.
	I'm definitely emotionally supportive when my man allows himself to show those emotions.
	I, this may be controversial again.
	I think I've never seen my man cry.
	I don't want to see him cry.
	I think men are very emotional creatures by nature.
	I think that it's the control of the emotions that is the most important part.
	And if need be, I have to be that person to emotionally support him.
	If times get rough and he needs someone to talk to, I will be there.
	But I think a man being able to control his emotions is a very masculine and respectable trait.
	What about the emotion of lust?
	The emotion of lust.
	That I don't want anything to do with what he does on the side.
	That's not something that I'm interested in.
	I don't want to know about who he's going to see and cheat on me with.
	I know that it's inevitable.
	I know it's going to happen and I'm just going to accept it.
	I don't want to know anything about it.
	If you had a partner, because you mentioned that you think a man who can be in control of his emotions.
	So, if you did have, like, back to what we were talking about, a partner who couldn't control his lust for another woman, would you find him to be a little bit more demasculated because of that?
	I don't think that it's that he can't control his lust for another woman.
	I think that it's because he chooses not to.
	I think control is not a part of that.
	I think if a man wants to go cheat, he will.
	I don't think that it's because he can't control his lust.
	All right, moving on.
	Sarah here, this Sarah.
	You said you, I don't know how interesting this is for you to talk about, but you said you dated your friend's older brother.
	Yeah, I did.
	I don't think there's anything wrong with that, unless there's more to the story than just.
	I mean, yeah, it was kind of weird at first.
	Was it like a revenge thing?
	Like, you wanted to get that?
	No, nothing like that.
	She ended up being pretty chill with it, but didn't work out.
	You said, fun fact, my hinge date was what?
	Part of the January 6th insurrection.
	Insurrection.
	I don't believe that.
	He didn't go in the Capitol.
	He was going to go in, but.
	So, was that a green flag or a red flag?
	Green.
	Green flag.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Guys, if any of you copped a felony charge, her DMs are open.
	Okay.
	Let's see here.
	Who have we not?
	We got Venus.
	We got Daphne.
	We got a bit from Sarah.
	We got Angelique.
	Did we?
	Oh, I think we got most.
	Hold on.
	Wait, hold on.
	Did you finish your questionnaire?
	Me?
	Yeah.
	What do you mean?
	When she left?
	Did you?
	I don't know.
	Oh, okay.
	Sorry.
	No, I'm.
	Okay, hold on.
	I see.
	I see.
	So back to Angelique here.
	You said.
	Wait, hold on.
	Wait.
	Sorry, there's a lot of notes from you.
	Pradon?
	Did you define what patriarchy is?
	Yes, we talked about that already.
	Did we?
	Okay.
	We did.
	Okay.
	You said you wanted to focus on how man being pro-choice is anti-woman and the biggest red flag of all time in dating.
	I think we kind of talked about that.
	If a man's willing to kill his own child, I don't want to be with him.
	Word?
	Okay, second thing is modern dating seems like everyone is dancing around reality.
	No one is straightforward.
	Men don't properly ask women on dates.
	It's just situationships and hanging out.
	Women don't clearly state their expectations and get surprised later that they're dating a scumbag.
	Yeah, you know?
	It's like you have, if you have to have, if you look for standards, you have to be the standard, and you can't look for what you want in the place where that person's not going to be.
	I just feel like it's kind of about logic more than anything else.
	And sometimes we come to our emotions too much when we talk about dating.
	Like, we want this, we want that.
	But then we don't really look for that, and we aren't really the person that we want to see in the person we're with.
	Sure.
	And I do think men are moving away from, you know, doing those things.
	I mean, there's probably a lot of reasons for that.
	Some of the blame, I think, rests on men, but I do think some of the blame also rests on women.
	For example, I mean, you have women who will expose men for daring to approach them or flirt with them.
	And a lot of men are seeing, and in the social media age, this is a massive issue because people care deeply about their reputations, and especially in, you know, for example, college or high school.
	A guy were to perhaps awkwardly approach a woman, that's a bigger hit when fucking she can go to fucking Twitter or Instagram and oh, this creepy guy fucking hit on me or whatever.
	So I think there, you know, the whole Me Too thing.
	Granted, look, there's some very valid things going on there, but I think, you know, there's guys, I don't know if you guys are familiar with like the, I'm trying to think of an example recently.
	Like women will just like leak DMs of guys innocently flirting with them and like shame them for doing what women want men to do, which is take initiative.
	I mean, so.
	Yeah, I think they're being sent the opposite message of what we actually want.
	Like if you want a man to be XYZ, you actually have to treat the men who are XYZ as if, you know, they have something valid to offer.
	So yeah, I completely agree.
	I think it's both people, but you have to put out there what you hope to find.
	I feel like if a man, like I saw this video of this girl who was in a gym and she was just doing a normal workout, this guy like turned for a second because she had this giant tripod set up and she was like, what the fuck are you looking at?
	Like you're a total creep.
	And I think that all of that.
	There's many such cases.
	Many such cases.
	I think it's a really big issue.
	And then with speaking about the Me Too movement, I have seen a lot of like things come forward about false sexual assault claims, which is sickening.
	It's terrible.
	And I think that something I wanted to also say is that I think one of the biggest overarching problems with dating in society now is the fact that if we don't respect ourselves, we can't respect our partners.
	And then ultimately, obviously, I'm very passionate about this, then we can't respect the children we create.
	So I think that's the biggest thing.
	We have to respect ourselves first, and then we can respect everyone else.
	Definitely.
	We need a high standard of people.
	Yes.
	Men are scared to take initiative now.
	Sad.
	Yeah, I was going to say, I don't think it's just women that's the problem.
	I think that men just aren't as masculine anymore and they don't really pursue as much anymore.
	I mean, their testosterone levels are literally so low and they're all addicted to porn.
	And so why would they pursue a woman in real life?
	Yeah, I don't think it's just a man or woman problem.
	I think definitely both.
	It's definitely both.
	Um, so you said, yeah, uh, you said this whole body count topic and how I hear people say lower body count is preferred for women and it's simultaneously, simultaneously respectable to have a high body count for men.
	First of all, the fact that the phrase body count exists at all, how dehumanizing.
	It literally makes human beings just a number.
	Yes.
	Yeah, because you can't engage in that activity without also giving something of your soul and your emotions.
	And we talked about it earlier, the chemical bonding.
	So to say just like body count and like we're just like stacking names in like a list or just numbers even, not even names, then you're no longer like connecting to that person anymore, which is kind of the point, right?
	Like you're trying to just gain experience.
	And that's what I meant by men, it's respected somehow.
	Like having more experience, that doesn't make any sense to me because why would you want your man to have experience in that realm if it means it's with other people?
	Because then they're just, he's just connected with other people.
	And he's comparing you to all those past experiences.
	So instead of learning together about something that you both don't know much about and learning it together for the rest of your life, he's like thinking, oh, well, Susan, back in the day.
	Yeah, but you're a major outlier.
	Like, most people, both men and women, are either secular or atheist or agnostic or nominally Christian.
	And I don't think religion has to do with it, honestly.
	I really don't.
	I don't think I wasn't religious.
	This isn't really the reason why I think this, to be fair.
	My religion supports what I think.
	But in reality, I think this is a completely secular concept as well.
	The statistics show that it's unhealthy to be with multiple people.
	But I would argue that among atheists or agnostics or secular people, it's probably the it's probably much more rare to find people who believe in purity, sexual purity, and value like sex, yeah.
	It's rare, but it doesn't mean it's not attainable or that we shouldn't talk about it.
	But your objection to the phrase body count, let me ask you a question.
	So if I were to ask you how many previous sexual partners you've had, and you tell me 10, right?
	I mean, didn't you just do that which you object to, which is putting a number to something?
	I mean, the body count question is just another sterile way.
	Oh, don't switch to that.
	Wait, let me put that over here.
	All right.
	It's just a sort of sterile way of asking how many sexual partners you've had.
	No, I understand the purpose why we have to reduce things down to like one or two words.
	I'm just to shorten the four words versus sex.
	Yeah, I know.
	But it's just like the idea that the choice words are body count.
	I'm just pointing out that like it's sad.
	It's sad to me that to think like if you do have a lot of people that you've had encounters with, that ultimately at the end of the day, especially if it's, I guess if it's higher, then you're really just, you have to think of it as a body count.
	Versus like, oh, John and Tzu or whatever.
	Like, they're no longer people.
	They're just stumbers.
	Okay.
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	All right.
	Is there anything dating related that any of you would like to get off your chest?
	Vixen, I know you have some dying thoughts here.
	I know you've been burning with things going through your brain.
	Why don't you tell us?
	No, I don't have anything really.
	Cool.
	Does I have one?
	If no one else does, Does anyone else?
	Anyone dating?
	You got something?
	What you got for us?
	You got something?
	No.
	Okay, what you got?
	Maybe you guys will agree, but my, like, not, it's not a hot take.
	It's just what I think.
	But that you should be friends with the person you're with before you even start dating.
	I think it's like it's like one of the more foolproof ways to know somebody before you like commit your like life to them or just like, even in general, just have like that exclusivity of dating um, and put it in that that limelight.
	And I feel like friendship is such a the root and basis of a good romantic relationship, especially one that lasts forever.
	Because as you get older, you lose money, you lose your attractiveness, you lose like all the things that maybe were factors when you first started dating, but what doesn't change your friendship that you have together.
	So I say, marry your best friend and you should probably find out if they're a friend before we even get.
	Get together with them, get intimate with them things, all of those things.
	I think you can kind of cover that basis when you're dating if you just wait to have sex with each other.
	That's true too.
	That's true i'm.
	I say that because I know if you're gonna say oh, we're gonna be friends for a while.
	No, thank you.
	I, I understand that.
	I just mean like, if you are friends with someone already, maybe you can consider taking it to the next level.
	And I was also saying that to your point earlier about like being realistic about the secular world that they're gonna do it anyways.
	I would never recommend at least put it off long enough to actually become friends with somebody.
	I'd never recommend a guy waiting in the friend zone and waiting for his moment.
	Well that's, that's the problem with saying friend zone and always making it a negative when in reality maybe you think you're in the friend zone but really you're just like you.
	You already kind of put out your, put yourself out there like you're interested in the person in in only like a sexual way, which I find happens a lot like that's been my experience as well.
	It's a cold.
	Guys will act like you're friends, but in reality we're not stupid, we know that you're you're.
	You have like an in-game when like we could just be friends and then maybe we find out that we like each other later.
	I get it and from like that sort of more benevolent point of view where you would give the guy the chance then that that sure, but for the most part what it is is guys who don't quite know how to get in with this particular girl, that they're trying, that they they, they fancy or whatever, and then the girl will sort of keep him around for attention and sort of boyfriend things without giving him the benefits of being boyfriend.
	Lifts to the airport, the jackets, the shoulder to cry on, but then he never gets any of the benefits of being a boyfriend.
	It's just the way that the world works.
	Cold reality situationship that definitely happens.
	I'm just saying that it's still a good thing to be friends with someone before you get.
	Let me ask you a question on that.
	So do you think you think that should be the case for both men and women?
	They should start with as friends in the hopes that it will one day lead to something romantic.
	First of all, I don't think it's like a foolproof, like everyone does this and it works or something.
	I'm just saying that's a good idea to think that in your head or not necessarily be friends before you start dating, but just have a friendship like i'm saying that a lot of times I hear people talk about like their boyfriend or their girlfriend or their dating person and they.
	It doesn't sound like they have a friendship, like they don't know each other on that level.
	It's like they you know, they sleep together and then they go out to dinner, they're on their phones and they go home.
	So i'm saying, if you have that friendship, Friendship, you can't lose that.
	Like, you can fight for that friendship versus just like, oh, he's my boyfriend, but like, I don't really know him.
	I mean, I agree.
	I think it's important to get to know each other on levels other than just romantic or sexual.
	I think that's the whole point of what dating should be.
	You should take your time getting to know someone.
	But I don't think it should be called friendship if you both know you're mutually interested in each other.
	Yeah, it just seems like if there is a mutual interest, as Sarah said, then why play this game of like, let's just be friends for nine months.
	It's almost like this sort of, it's almost sad in a way you hear these couples who like they liked, they both liked each other, but like they were both too pussy to admit it.
	And then they're like, why didn't we just reveal to each other that we were one, that we were romantic?
	Although I feel like that's pretty rare, but like, I think the guy, like, it's always pretty obvious if a guy is spending a lot of time with a woman that he's interested.
	Right.
	No, I've had a lot of female friends earlier in my life.
	I don't have any really now, but they were never ugly, the female friends.
	No, I definitely don't disagree with you at all about the fact that we shouldn't like play a game or that it's about like waiting until some random moment where you're like, we like each other.
	I'm simply saying friendship should be a foundation of relationships.
	I agree with what you're saying actually in terms of creating that foundation as well because oftentimes sex can be used as an out where like you're having an argument or whatever, you have some makeup sex and it's all good or you've got nothing to do.
	But if you don't have that and if you actually have to sort out problems, then you know it's going to be a lot stronger.
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	On the friends thing, really quick, I mean, I don't agree.
	I just, you can't be.
	I think things ought to start romantic from the get-go.
	Because there's too much room then for like unrequited love, one person.
	And then you've just, if your recommendation is you should pursue a friendship, like if you're genuinely pursuing a friendship just for the friendship, I suppose that's okay because then you're genuinely just pursuing a friendship.
	But if you're doing it with some like ulterior motive, which seems to be what you're suggesting, well, you're saying people ought to start at friends.
	I didn't say aunt.
	I didn't say this is some foolproof thing.
	I literally just suggested it as an idea for people who don't even consider the idea of friendship in a relationship.
	But if you're recommending, here, start as just friends.
	I mean, that's kind of.
	It's not like start.
	It's not like, oh, we meet.
	Let's be friends.
	Like, someday we maybe will be together.
	I'm just saying, like, if you have a friend, then you should develop that friendship, and then it could be something else.
	But the point I'm making is that friendship is a foundation for things instead of just being people that use each other.
	I just can't see friends in relationship being in the same thing.
	Like, like romantic relationship.
	Like, when I think about my friends, I can't picture being romantic with any of them.
	Like, it's just weird to think about me and romantic.
	I'm not saying like, oh, every friend, like, look at them as if you're going to be with them.
	That's not my point.
	But friendship can also kind of, in a way, I think, potentially make you a bit like numbed or like not attracted to the idea of being romantic as well.
	If you guys just have a friendship, yeah.
	So if you're speaking about like how much is when you're dating and you're exclusive, but you're not having sex yet, I think that's a reasonable point because you'd learn a lot about each other.
	Yeah, and that's part of the point, too.
	That's for sure.
	I have a question for you.
	I'll do it from a theory.
	No, I'm just gonna go for it.
	Do you think girls can have guy friends and the guy friends don't have any ulterior motives?
	No, absolutely not.
	I disagree.
	Why do you disagree?
	Because I have guy friends, but I don't think they have any sort of ulterior motives with me.
	I mean, you probably hide it well.
	When you say guy friends, though, do you mean guys that you go out and go for lunch with and hang out with one-on-one and that sort of thing?
	Or do you just mean guy friends who are acquaintances?
	Because those are two very different things.
	Like, sometimes hang out one-on-one, but not like as a close friendship where we're hanging out all the time.
	But I think I have like guys in my life that I trust that are my friends.
	And I don't.
	I mean, maybe, but if it was in a relationship context.
	And if you were my girlfriend and you were saying, oh, I'm just going to go hang out with Henry, I'd say, no, you're not.
	Well, not one of in a private one-on-one setting, like we're like hang out all the time.
	Yeah, but if you have acquaintances, like I'll come back to your clothes.
	I saw Bill at the shop yesterday and we stopped and chatted for a while.
	I'd say, oh, cool, how is Bill?
	But, you know, if you said, oh, then we went to lunch together and we went for a walk on the beach, it'd be okay.
	Oh, yeah, I understand that.
	Okay, Bill.
	But I don't know.
	Matt, I'm totally, I'm very sorry we skipped your primary question here.
	He asked, money or looks?
	So we're going to start with you.
	Money or looks?
	If you had to pick one for a guy.
	If I had to pick one for a guy.
	Yeah.
	Wait, Matthew, what's like, how much money are we talking here?
	Like, is the comparison like Brad Pitt in his prime or like, but he doesn't have much money?
	Maybe makes average amount of money versus like a billionaire, but he's just rough, you know?
	I mean, I think.
	Pick one.
	I mean, if I had to pick one, I would say money.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	I think I'm going to go looks.
	I would say first is how someone makes me feel.
	No, no, no.
	And then money.
	So looks above.
	No, no, no.
	Looks above money, for sure.
	Looks.
	I have no answer.
	Oh, my God.
	I don't.
	I only find one person attractive, and therefore it's not about money or looks.
	In case you can't.
	I really can't.
	I don't really value those that high, so I can't really say one's better than the other.
	because you can always make more money do you want to be you you say you don't value money Looks look better later on.
	Question.
	So do you want to.
	You want to have kids, right?
	Yes.
	Do you think your current boyfriend, he's going to, like, he's the guy you're going to marry?
	Absolutely.
	Okay.
	Do you know when you're going to want to start having kids?
	Whenever God decides.
	Okay.
	Are you guys engaged?
	Not yet.
	Not yet.
	Okay.
	Do you know how many kids you want?
	Whatever God wants.
	I don't know.
	You have no sense.
	You have no sense of being able to do that.
	How long have you been dating then?
	I want as many kids as I can have.
	Like, whatever happens.
	Okay, so.
	Okay.
	I've never really thought about it either.
	Okay, so do you have a sense of when you would like to be married by?
	Because you're 24, correct?
	Yeah, just sometime soon.
	Why hasn't he proposed?
	Okay.
	That's a great question.
	It's something that's personal.
	So you're 24.
	Let's say, would you like to be married by 27?
	Yeah.
	And would you like to start having kids when you're married?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	So you said as many kids as God will provide.
	So let's say you can get you want 13 kids, basically.
	I want as many as God wants for me to have.
	Like, I literally don't have to.
	So I have an answer.
	Maybe three.
	Right, but given that, I assume you're not going to, if you're, I assume you're not going to be able to do that.
	Maybe you'll change the line down the line.
	This isn't some kind of.
	Okay, but I assume you're not going to want to work for money or work in general.
	Well, if you're going to be from the age of 27 to 40, if you're going to be constantly pregnant and taking care of the kids.
	That's not how fertility works.
	I mean.
	You'll spend some time pregnant, though.
	Do you want to be working when you're heavily pregnant?
	Working outside the home?
	Yeah.
	Do you want to be working and making money when you're heavily pregnant?
	Not ideally.
	Would you like your husband to be the primary breadwinner?
	Yes, and he plans to.
	He plans to.
	So money does matter to you.
	You asked me whether money or looks matter more.
	But you said you don't care about either.
	I didn't say I didn't care about them.
	I just said I don't see anything.
	What did she say?
	Considering the chat, I don't want to misquote her.
	What specifically did she more alluding to not equating the two?
	Like the two don't really right.
	Like I don't see those things as like so high up that I would compare the two.
	Whatever.
	Puffy under the sky.
	Oh, look at this.
	There is no such thing as females having male friends.
	They just have guys that they use.
	If she refers to a guy as her friend, she wants to sleep with him or already has.
	That's so ridiculous.
	I honestly think it's pretty hard for men and women to be friends.
	It is hard, but it doesn't mean that we have ulterior motives when we are friends.
	But it doesn't matter if the woman does.
	I feel like in most cases, the man does.
	Yeah, it's mostly the dudes.
	The woman is getting what she wants.
	He's bagging on us.
	Also, here's the other thing when it comes to male and female friendships.
	So let's say it's totally innocent, right?
	Maybe it is, whatever.
	When you get married, or even if you're in a relationship, I believe that there's an impropriety for you to be, let's say it's for you to be hanging out with your male friend one-on-one.
	As your boyfriend, I would not be okay with you hanging out with your male friends one-on-one.
	I would not be okay with your male friends coming over to your house, hanging out with you one-on-one.
	Yes.
	And that's totally different.
	And so, but so the issue with male and female friendships, once you get involved with someone romantically, look, some people are fine with the partner having friends of the opposite sex, but you may find yourself in a relationship with somebody who isn't.
	And then that friendship is over.
	So why invest in a relationship where there's a very good likelihood that there's going to be a breakdown of the friendship because of these sort of intersex dynamics?
	Well, you're not really thinking about all like this, like, oh, I'm going to have to dump this friend.
	When you make friends, I mean, unless you're forcing friendships, my friendships with my friends have all been pretty natural.
	When I do have, like, when I do get in a relationship and my boyfriend, I am not a hypocrite.
	I would not want my boyfriend to have girlfriends.
	So I would probably like, oh, like just like turn it down with my guy friends.
	But before relationships, just in general, like I think that's what he was saying, like girls and guys can't be friends.
	Well, like, what if, okay, and I'm not trying to sound like I know people are going to be like roasting, like, oh, she's such a pickney, blah, blah, blah.
	Like, no, like, genuinely, like, you just happen to be like a girl who just connects better with like guys, or like sometimes it's just kind of hard for us to build girlfriendships.
	That's not a picnic.
	That's a red flag.
	I think the issue is that, like, if you're a woman and you're in a relationship with a guy and it's romantic and you have a guy friend, it's the fact that the woman is still entertaining the male friend and entertaining those thoughts that are going through his head where he's thinking, oh, I want to sleep with this woman.
	And you're entertaining the thought, whether you may know it or not, you're still there in his presence.
	And it's before that.
	I'm talking about before that.
	Like, before a relationship.
	Like, I would totally, like, I understand my partner's, like, like, what he's thinking through, blah, blah, blah.
	But, like, I don't think organically, like, to make friends with someone of the opposite sex is just like because you have, um, I don't know how to explain it.
	Like, it just kind of seems like, like, oh, I'm forcing this friendship and that I'm going to eventually have to break.
	Like, no, like, this guy has a really good vibe.
	He's like, or like, or like, just like in a group setting, like, there's more guys, more girls.
	Like, in my political campus clubs, there's more guys than the girls, and I'm friends with everyone.
	So, does it mean I shouldn't have friendships with the guys as well as the girls?
	Like, I think that's a good friend group.
	Before dating.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	I'm not saying like I'm hanging out solely with like men, but I'm just saying like there are relationships that are being formed between men and women.
	So, I mean, just to actually thread it back to what you said about how you said you think relationships should start with friendships.
	That actually, like.
	Because they should.
	I said they can.
	Okay, but if that's like what you're recommending, like those two absolute, like, absolutely, if your view that relationships or love interests should start as friends, absolutely, they need to cut their friends off 100% in those circumstances.
	Like, the friends have to be donezo, gone.
	Yeah.
	Friends got.
	Oh, here's a worse one.
	What's that?
	You wouldn't hang out with opposite sex if you're in a relationship.
	Like, one-on-one, of course.
	Are you like communicating with them?
	Texting them?
	I text my friends.
	It's not like in regular basis.
	It's just not worth it.
	It's just not worth investing in an opposite sex friendship, really, just because of the potential conflict when one or the other gets into a romantic relationship.
	I feel like you don't need to have this deep best friendship with the opposite sex just to be friends.
	Like you can be like acquaintance friends.
	Just having a sexy friendship.
	Acquaintances, acquaintances.
	I'm not saying you're having this best friend guy and you have a boyfriend too.
	Absolutely not.
	Well, here's a worse one.
	Here's somewhat related to this topic.
	What about people that remain friends with their exes?
	That's no.
	Why?
	Why would you let that temptation be there?
	Because your friendship is part of a romantic relationship.
	So if you're friends with your ex, then that means you're still attached to them.
	That's what I'm saying.
	I don't understand how it's.
	Wait, so are you in favor of people staying friends with their no, I'm saying friendship is part of your romantic relationship.
	So if you're still friends with your ex, that means that you have an attachment to them still that should be in your romantic relationship.
	You know what they look like.
	Full circle.
	I think you should be on like good terms with an ex.
	It shouldn't be, hopefully you can end a relationship in an amicable way, but I don't think there should be like a continued, any continued anything, you know?
	So even if it's platonic or whatever.
	I have a couple chats that we need to get through.
	Wait, did we get around everybody on the money looks thing?
	No.
	I think I.
	Yeah, you still.
	I legitimately do not know.
	Like, I, it's, there's pros and cons with both.
	Okay.
	And I'm not at a point to decide right now.
	Sarah, looks or money?
	I mean, it's like one of those questions that I want to give a non-answer because it's kind of a dumb question.
	But I think that's a hosh.
	How is it a dumb question?
	Yeah, be nice to Matt.
	Be nice.
	He's from Dubai.
	He's from Dubai.
	Be nice to me.
	He's probably asking because he has the money and not the looks.
	Maybe, maybe.
	Hey, I know people.
	I'm just saying.
	He's both a very handsome man.
	And he also has a couple big questions.
	If you think about it, both are important in a relationship.
	You have to be physically attracted to your partner, but you also want a man who provides.
	Oh, yeah.
	Because I want to pick one or the other.
	I want both.
	Because the obvious answer is like, yeah, both.
	Would be nice.
	But I don't know.
	I guess if it's like, if I want a little more money, a little less looks, I think I value money like a little bit more because I want someone who can provide and take care of me.
	We've got a couple chats here.
	We have Stephen Glansberg 50.
	Brixton and Jay, can you please explain the nuances of why you say submissive women are preferred?
	What exactly is the scope of what you mean by submission?
	Can you provide examples?
	Well, this isn't just a one-directional thing.
	It's not just that men want submissive women.
	Women want leaders.
	They want dominant men.
	So it's not just like this thing that men are like oppressing women.
	This goes both ways.
	Women want dominant, ambitious men who are leaders and providers, and men want submissive.
	Also, when we say submissive, we don't necessarily mean like, you know, like a slave.
	It's not like that.
	I think submission is more submissive to the will of the man.
	So if there's a natural order which is God over man, man over woman, woman over child, then that's something that actually works very well.
	And if your woman trusts you to the point where she submits to your will and she submits to your decisions, etc., then that's what I mean.
	I don't want them to have no personality.
	I want them to have passions, interests, hobbies, read books, be intelligent, and all these sorts of things, but also trust and respect my will and submit to that will.
	Because I would like to consider myself a benevolent leader.
	Would that be within a marriage setting or also just some girl you just went on a few dates with?
	You're expecting her to be submissive?
	In my current state, I'm looking for something that's looking for marriage at the moment.
	I'm not looking for like just to date.
	Like at what point does she submit?
	Well, I mean, I guess that there would be an element of the masculine and feminine in the dating stage as well.
	But once you get married, then there's like you got to see where the kids are going to school.
	You've got to be like, there's so many important decisions to make.
	I would agree, but I think right away.
	There are some guys who just expect like it's got to be right away.
	If you trust him, then you'll naturally fall into those roles.
	There's not a moment where you say, okay, now you're submitting.
	Can I ask, like, like during dating, if you guys are living together, just dating, not married, what like are the guys' takes?
	Like, do you expect her to be on the chores right away?
	Yes, right away.
	As soon as fucking first date, come over, do my fucking laundry.
	I would say.
	Actually, no, she should do my laundry on the first date, though.
	I would say that, like, if it depends, like, for a guy for now, from the first date, I'm going to be paying for the date, and I'm going to be performing my masculine role.
	It's kind of like that sort of mating signaling that you do.
	And I think for a woman, if she came over and you guys are dating a little bit, you've had a few dates, and she comes and cleans your house and kitchen and does that sort of signaling, it's very attractive.
	But I wouldn't live with a woman until I married her.
	Okay, that's based.
	I think from the get-go, listen, I'll load the laundry.
	I'm a nice guy.
	You can fold it.
	Cool.
	I would like on-demand foot massages.
	Back rubs.
	Back rubs are necessary.
	Back rubs.
	Back scratches.
	Should we show them the bow?
	And she's got a bow.
	Let's show the this.
	Go ahead, Nick.
	Boom.
	Huge.
	Did you see the fucking bow?
	Huge.
	Did you see, boom, the shoes?
	Look, attentive, guys.
	Attentive.
	Yep, fold it.
	Yep.
	Fold it.
	Well done, dear.
	I support this.
	Boom.
	Oh, my God.
	Look at the food's ready.
	I just got home from a grueling podcast.
	Look, she's got in me the drink.
	I don't need to.
	I'm good at the noodles.
	I'm a nice guy.
	I don't need her to do that shit with the noodles.
	I can do that myself.
	But look at the attentiveness and then the lore.
	One more time, Nick.
	Show the bow.
	Just hit play.
	You can just hit play.
	It should replay.
	Great food.
	Boom.
	Look at that.
	I need bowing in my life.
	Did I say?
	Yeah, so I think, yeah.
	Yep.
	Why are you looking at me that way?
	Why are you looking at me?
	Look at it.
	She's staring daggers at me.
	What do you mean?
	That's respect.
	I know you're joking.
	I'm not looking at you like that.
	It's funny.
	You wouldn't bow?
	You wouldn't bow for your boyfriend or husband?
	Why is that?
	You're being very insensitive to Japanese and Asian culture.
	Okay, I'm very.
	I think you're a little racist.
	I think you might be a little racist to take offense to the bowing thing.
	I'm going to introduce it.
	You're going to be racist while you're being sexist.
	How is that?
	Wait, okay.
	All right.
	Here we go.
	How am I being sexist?
	Gloves are off.
	Let's go.
	Don't be saying you're joking, but if you weren't that sexist.
	How?
	Let's say that.
	Because you should bow to God only.
	You should bow to God only.
	I've literally already described the hierarchy.
	I'm not bowing to the person I'm watching.
	No, it's God.
	Right.
	I'm man, man, woman, man.
	I'm bowing to God, not the man.
	Okay, remove the religion component from this.
	There's nothing wrong with a little bow.
	Okay, if you ruined the religion component, I don't even know why I would bow to a man at all.
	Like, that makes it even worse.
	It makes it like, of course not.
	So you would never, if you don't know what to do.
	What about those Christian Japanese women?
	They bow to their husbands.
	I don't know about what they were doing.
	I'm talking about myself.
	You just don't, you just find it weird.
	You would just never, even if your man who you loved asked you, like, bow for me, you just wouldn't?
	Of course not.
	Give me a little bow.
	No, I would only bow on this earth to God.
	That's it.
	I think you're.
	It's not that deep, bruh.
	It's not that deep, bro.
	Bruh, it's not that deep.
	It ain't that deep, bro.
	Even like a play, like something playful, like not serious.
	Everyone's playfully balanced.
	Sarah, you wouldn't bow.
	Your boyfriend meets.
	He's perfect.
	I just don't think I would date someone who'd be like, can you bow for me?
	Yeah, that's like that's like I don't know.
	That's not strange.
	No, bro.
	No, not strange.
	Not strange.
	Well, hold on, wait, whoa, hold on, hold on, wait, Hold on, hold on.
	Hold on.
	You guys are all Christian, correct?
	Yeah, yeah.
	You all want a man to propose to you, correct?
	You want a man to get down on one knee, correct?
	Checkmate.
	That's not the only one time.
	Checkmate, I ain't ever getting down on a fucking knee to propose.
	First off, I don't believe in marriage.
	No marriage.
	Sorry.
	That's not bowing, but that's not a bad thing.
	I ain't getting down on the knee.
	Hold on.
	So you're saying you want a man to get down on the knee, spend $10,000 on a ring that costs $100.
	More.
	Wait, oh my God.
	Let's go.
	The money doesn't know.
	I never sell the ring hat on my side.
	Oh, wait, hold on, hold on.
	What attracts women is pre-selection other women's interest.
	Think about the bouncer at the strip club and T-Google guy which one gets girls.
	Yo, guys, Puffy Vegas is a fucking G. Thank you, Puffy Vegas.
	Hold on.
	Let's talk about the cost of a ring here.
	You said 10,000 is not enough for a ring.
	I was just...
	No, no, no, no.
	Don't walk it back.
	Brixen, remember me, my friend.
	I'll come back sometime in the future when Bitcoin crashes to kick someone off the show.xd.
	Thank you, Matthew.
	Matt, Jimmy, first off, I appreciate your TTS and your patronage.
	Thank you.
	I think this is, is this your first time sending a TTS?
	Your name's new, so I don't know.
	Why don't you do this, though?
	Just send me a DM.
	Send me a DM.
	I try to chat with some of the patrons and stuff.
	And we're going to get, oh, guys, we're going to get a Discord going.
	And that's going to be coming soon.
	Going around the table, how much do you think a guy should spend on a wedding ring?
	Starting with Sarah, who said $10,000 is not enough.
	I was joking, but I don't even know how much rings cost, if I'm being honest.
	I've never looked into this.
	So I don't know, not from Walmart or Pandora, but.
	Would you be upset if a man spent $200 on a wedding ring?
	Is that too little?
	Yes, that's just tacky.
	Corp?
	Okay.
	Okay.
	I honestly, I'm not really the, I don't really know a lot about the prices of stuff because financially, I'm not going to get a lot of money.
	Don't they say three months salary?
	Yeah, they say it's a quarter of the year salary.
	I really, I genuinely like that.
	I think this is potentially why people can say that they don't want to answer the question of like looks or money because you actually don't know what it costs.
	Yeah, I don't know.
	To have a wedding ring, to have a family, to send your kids to school.
	If you're not making enough money to live a comfortable life, it's going to be going to be depressing.
	Yeah.
	Well, but I couldn't put a price tag on it.
	I mean, like, I'm not going to down myself for not knowing these things.
	I am only a sophomore in college.
	I'm still trying to figure out the rest of the world.
	Like, just know.
	Would you be upset if a man spent $50 on your wedding ring?
	Um.
	You can say it.
	Yeah.
	What about you?
	Well, me.
	Um.
	I. How much should a man spend on the wedding ring?
	I don't really know what would be like a cap amount, but like probably less than 500.
	Because weddings cost a lot of money, life costs a lot of money.
	But I don't actually know a good number to say.
	Yeah, I don't really like the idea of a ring at all.
	I think it's like a tradition I don't need in my life unless he really wanted to.
	Wear your love on.
	I don't know.
	There's something about it.
	It's like, oh, we're comparing our rocks.
	Like, I don't know.
	I don't.
	Also, I'm sorry.
	I want to add just really quick that I wouldn't see the value in the money.
	I would see it in like what if he knew me well enough to like get the right gold or the silver.
	Like that type of thing.
	I think the value is more in like the actual action of it.
	And it's way bigger than a ring.
	Like the fact that you're proposing me and want to spend the rest of your life with me is way bigger than the cost of a ring.
	Holy shit.
	Did anybody just see Kiki's head move?
	Did anybody else see that?
	Just kidding.
	Okay.
	Anyways.
	Sorry, I was trying to.
	What about you?
	How much should a guy spend?
	You've been married twice.
	How much should a guy spend on a wedding ring?
	And how many did your two husbands spend on my first one?
	My mom bought the ring because he gave a fuck.
	The second one, I think about three grand.
	So I would say no more than like two grand.
	What about you, our little communist senior retailer?
	Yeah, it's like an act of love.
	So I definitely.
	Hunter donated $100.
	I better get a DM too.
	He only tipped $200.
	I tipped $1,500 and this is my first night watching the show again, Hunter Slayer.
	When I say DM, you DM at whatever on Instagram, not my personal IG.
	Thank you, Hunter.
	I appreciate your patronage tonight.
	Thank you.
	Go ahead.
	It's like an act of love, so I definitely want a big act of love.
	I feel like I just want to.
	It's a big act of love.
	Okay.
	You fucking degenerate capitalist.
	She wants help.
	Absolutely.
	How much?
	I'm sorry.
	Capitalist material.
	That's the question.
	I think I'd be happy with like 50K.
	The fucking, the fucking communist.
	Capitalism.
	It's always the communist.
	Oh, my God, bro.
	She's a good one.
	a 50k wedding ring what do you fucking what kind of communist are you I don't know.
	I guess a bad one, but like, I'm not getting married.
	Like.
	It's like an act of love.
	You know what I mean?
	And why would I want a small act of medical?
	So you put your political beliefs aside for that moment.
	Hunter donated $100.
	Only for deaf Curexes at the spot.
	What is that?
	What?
	I don't know what Kurix is.
	Kirks?
	Kirks.
	Kirks.
	Kirk's Curex.
	Okay.
	Oh, I know what it is.
	Here's the thing.
	She's a capitalist when it benefits her and a communist when it benefits her.
	No, but it's like, if I'm getting married to someone, like, I know that they're going to have expectations on me, too, which is probably more like look-based for me to maintain, like, staying in shape and, you know, like being attractive and shit like that.
	And I think that needs to be compensated.
	But if you live in a communist society, you can't do that.
	Because everyone gets to be able to do that.
	I can't live in a communist society.
	I'd be very happy with it, though.
	Wouldn't you rather?
	Yeah, I would be happy with that.
	And then, you know what?
	You get nice things in a capitalist society.
	Go ahead, Sarah.
	Wouldn't you rather him spend some of that money on a house?
	Like, I don't know.
	I just feel like that's a waste of money personally.
	It's just a ring.
	Like, I would rather give enough money.
	You could put that towards your children's tuition in the future.
	You could put a down payment on a house.
	She wants a million.
	He'll be rich.
	Hello.
	I think she wants a million now, right?
	So it's like so much disposable income that he can do all the providing plus waste a bunch of money on a wedding ring that costs $20 to make.
	Didn't you say your love is big, so you need to be like $50K?
	Would you agree that you'd want your love to be priceless?
	$10,000 plus.
	And therefore, the price is a ring.
	You know what I mean?
	People show acts of love all the time, and I like big acts of love.
	And I think in that sense, in the context of a ring, but if it's priceless, it could be any price.
	If you see your love as priceless.
	No.
	I mean, on a baseline, there is a price, and it's 50K and up, I guess.
	Okay.
	50K and up, really?
	Really, son?
	Maybe you should pay for the ring.
	How about that?
	You ever think of that?
	Yeah, 50K.
	You gotta pay for the ring.
	You gotta get down on your knee and.
	No.
	Yeah.
	No.
	Ya.
	No.
	Yas.
	No.
	Yas.
	Yas.
	No, I'm not paying for the ring.
	If you've done porn, like, can you really ask for a guy to get it down on one knee and pay for a ring?
	Like, if you...
	Really?
	i feel like you just you gotta you just gotta own it and just be like look i'm not traditional just fucking okay if i was your soon-to-be fiancee i'd be like here's a ring pop and just throw it in your direction That's why we wouldn't get married, and you're not the type of person that I would look for.
	If you were to consider your options, I don't want to assume anything about your current relationship, but I would assume that being a little bit more.
	Sleepy Bear donated $100.
	I spent more on this message than my wife's ring.
	Our commitment is more important to both of us.
	She's the best woman a man could ask for.
	Well, then why are you just sitting here watching a podcast and giving money?
	Like, that's just, like, why would you not give that money to yourself?
	Yeah, Sleepy Bears.
	Care more about me than your wife.
	Why don't you go pay attention to your wife instead of these girls online?
	Maybe she's out and about.
	His commitment to his wife transcends.
	Transcends.
	First off, the fucking diamond business is a big Fugazi.
	It's a fucking, to your credit, it's a fucking corporate, corporate psyop.
	Wait, fuck.
	What's the term for it?
	It's a contrived.
	It's contrived.
	Corporations have fucking told you, oh, you gotta buy a ring, blah, blah, blah, diamonds.
	Do you know that they, what's they called?
	Diamonds are actually quite abundant, but they intentionally, what's it called?
	They intentionally restrict the supply to like, you know, diamonds are not that rare.
	I heard that if you release all the diamonds in the world, that they will be super valueless.
	Yeah, that they will be.
	Little value.
	I think, like, tanzanite, or is that right, tanzanite, is the most rare stone.
	It's only found in Tanzania, which is like 100 times more rare than any diamond.
	Look, same with Valentine's Day, which is coming up.
	All these fucking bullshit holidays, it's all to fleece your money.
	It's so that you can put money in the pockets of corporations so they can take your money and fleece you.
	She's laughing, but she sounds like you hate capitalism.
	No, I don't.
	I don't.
	That's the problem with that.
	I don't hate capitalism.
	I hate what's the fuck.
	What's the term?
	I hate excess corporateism.
	Excess excess consumerism.
	There's another fucking term that's materialism, materialism, consumerism.
	Corporations have sold you on these holidays so they can sell you fucking chocolate and flowers and fucking Hallmark bullshit cards.
	Yeah, it's all I agree, but it's not.
	Do you guys know the movie Casino with Robert De Niro, Joe Pesci?
	At the very beginning of the thing, all the bright lights, all the fucking games, and the comped tickets, it's all for them to take your money.
	That's what Vegas is about.
	It's all to take your money.
	And that's what fucking the diamond industry, they want to tell you this.
	So you can just do your tone.
	It's kind of funny.
	Yeah, I'm saying it in a kind of humorous way.
	He's cooking.
	I'm cooking.
	There's a lot of industries like that.
	It's true.
	You sound like a conspiracy theorist, though.
	Well, it's not a conspiracy theory.
	This is fucking capitalism 101.
	Find a way to take their money.
	It's awesome, and I love it.
	But you shouldn't be a bitch.
	Here is how the ring thing works.
	The ring grows with illo.
	The first ring I bought my wife 25 years ago was $150.
	Upgraded 10 years later, 5G last upgrade was 6 figures.
	You have to earn it with time.
	That's fair.
	I like that.
	It's a good system.
	That's good.
	Thank you, Doc Vanablis.
	Wait, why?
	Because you didn't spend more than $150 on a wing ring.
	To be fair, he's married.
	You're not.
	Yeah, because I don't want to be married yet.
	I feel like it's within your means.
	Like, $150 could be a lot to a lot of people.
	Yeah, but if you can't afford more than that, you should just support a family.
	Doc Vanablis is like 89 years old.
	That shit, that's probably fucking inflation, son.
	That's probably right.
	Inflation, 150 back then was like I would be minded personally.
	Sleepy Bear donated $100 exactly.
	I do care more about you, Brian, than the diamond industry.
	Not that it is saying much.
	My love for my wife isn't measured in money.
	Exactly.
	She's here watching with me.
	Keep up the great show, Brian.
	Yo, W's in the chat for Sleepy Bear and Mama Bear, I guess.
	Thank you, Sleepy Bear.
	Appreciate it.
	W's in the chat for the patronage.
	And thank you, sir.
	Thank you.
	Okay, we have one chat.
	I'm going to come back to the bowing though.
	Don't think I've, I got, I had you guys in the trap.
	Don't think I forgot.
	The Chill 808 for something to have worth, it must have value.
	If you give yourself away as a man or a woman, then ask for someone to find you worthy.
	You will end up with unworthy relationships who treat you worthless.
	Exactly.
	That was beautiful.
	Chill 808.
	You're so poetic, dude.
	Chill 808.
	Fucking poet.
	Shakespeare in the flesh.
	Thank you, brother.
	Appreciate it.
	So, you think it's sexist to want your girlfriend to bow?
	I was making a joke because we were laughing at the video.
	I know you were joking.
	No, I would be so in love with a woman that bowed to me.
	Why?
	Bro, it's so based.
	Why are you smiling that while you say it?
	It's the best form of respect.
	It's respect.
	Why?
	You bow to a god, not another person.
	You can bow to your master, like your martial arts master.
	A woman can show you respect in so many better ways than just like bowing her.
	Okay, fine.
	Like, what?
	Fine.
	She can rub my feet and do my laundry.
	That's why I know you're joking.
	No, I'm serious, bro.
	No, I know.
	I'm saying if you're doing it, you can replace bowing with doing your laundry.
	I know you're joking.
	No, I'm actually serious.
	Don't get me wrong.
	I don't need a bow.
	But if a girl, she's getting major fucking brownie points if she's bowing.
	I just feel like how could you?
	I might even spend $200 on a ring if she bows for me.
	What?
	why would you want to look at another human being and want them to bow to you?
	I feel like they're just not like probably.
	Why don't you?
	You don't.
	Why don't you want that in your relationship?
	This is what I mean.
	You're literally laughing.
	No, I'm being serious.
	You bow to airwoman, Brian.
	No, what are you fucking crazy?
	What are you, Sarah?
	Are you fucking crazy?
	Are you saying you don't respect her or love her?
	Oh, I love her.
	I respect her.
	Like the highest form of her.
	Why she bows?
	I'll say, good girl.
	What?
	Okay, God, relax, guys.
	Relax.
	You guys know you like...
	Guys, go to...
	Hold on.
	Hold on, hold on.
	Let me finish my point here.
	You object, Sarah, and I think you objected.
	Do you object, Alyssa?
	Would you bow if we were dating?
	Doc Venerbili has donated $100.
	Okay, Brixon, I'm Jenny.
	I know you're young.
	Not 80 yet, Jenny.
	And Blondie, if you can't understand the significance of the ring, you might as well start investing in non-perishable cat food.
	Uh-oh.
	Okay.
	Here you go, Sarah.
	You're right.
	You're so right.
	No man could ever want me because I don't want a ring from Walmart.
	Like, that's like basic standards.
	That's not even crazy.
	I think, you know, $20 ring, Amazon is doable.
	Wait, so, okay.
	Would you bow?
	Wait, where was I going with this?
	Would you bow?
	Like, if.
	Yeah, because you've got a cure.
	I mean, that's a half-measure.
	Like when we're dancing?
	Like, like, like.
	Show me your curtsy.
	Let's see.
	I'll see if it's acceptable, and if it's acceptable, we can talk.
	Like that?
	Wait, hold on, just one sec.
	Let me add a little extra thing here.
	Can you say malord while you're doing it?
	Go ahead.
	Okay.
	Let's see it.
	Malord.
	It's good.
	Ketsi's actually a great compromise.
	Yeah.
	Ketsy's very elegant.
	Would you curtsy?
	Would you do curtsy?
	If we're dancing, yeah, of course.
	No dancing.
	Into the mic.
	Sorry.
	What about the m'lord?
	No.
	M'lorde.
	There's only one lord.
	It's very game of thrones.
	Oh, my God.
	You know, lords, not.
	Yeah, I know, but I'm not going to say that to someone else I'm in a relationship with.
	That's a class.
	Sorry.
	Okay.
	All right.
	But okay, look, you guys want a guy to get down on his knee.
	You want a man to kneel.
	And I think kneeling, that's fucking way lamer than a bow.
	A kneel?
	What does that mean?
	There's so many different traditional things that don't actually equate to reality.
	Like, for example, there's like a tradition of women wearing white on the wedding day, but men don't necessarily wear white, but there's no reason why the actual movement is.
	Like, we're talking about the actual movement.
	Think of the actual movement.
	Bro, it's way more weak.
	Okay, it's very submissive.
	Getting kneeling, you're looking up.
	Oh, baby.
	It is.
	It is gay.
	Kneeling.
	I think you asked the woman's father for her hand in marriage, and then that's it.
	What's that?
	You agree to it?
	No kneeling.
	And then you buy the wedding ring and what's that called kneeling?
	I'd rather.
	You ask the woman's father for her hand in marriage than live on my knees.
	No, that's what I'd do.
	But you only kneel once, right?
	But the bow would be the kneel forever, forever means a submission to your wife.
	It's like begging on your knees.
	Please please.
	Can I do one bow and that be the forever bow?
	To be fair, that is the one time the man puts himself in that position.
	And it's a pretty important thing.
	So that's like why it's significant because he's pursuing the woman he's when she divorces him.
	He's on both knees.
	He is broken.
	I thought you meant that.
	He is broken by the woman.
	He actually never gets up off that knee.
	He never gets up.
	He stays on that knee the whole time.
	At last, at last.
	He gets down on both knees because he is broken by the woman.
	The white man sits down.
	Knee at last.
	The white woman breaks the white man's spirit.
	What am I doing?
	I'm channeling something.
	Call it a cancel here.
	You divorce the man.
	You divorce the man.
	And then he ends up on both knees.
	Why are you so pessimistic, Brian?
	Who hurt you?
	Well, I'll tell you that here's the thing, right?
	When a woman, even if she's religious, when if she chooses, she can't, a woman, even if she's Christian, even if she's Catholic, she reserves the right at any time to become a feminist and then divorce the man, and then she can get alimony and all these other things and financially ruin him.
	And it's not about who hurt me.
	It's about seeing that when religious women get divorces, they don't go to God, they don't go to their priest, they don't go to a pastor, they don't go to the church.
	The state presides over your marriage, not your religion.
	And you will seek recourse through the state.
	And the state is going to say, well, community property, alimony.
	So I'm good.
	I'll pass on marriage.
	Good talk.
	Do you have any suggestions on how religions intend to address the absolute corruption of the state of the family court system in this country?
	Well, actually, Christian marriages, like the high statistic of people who stay together are a man and a woman who pray together every single night.
	Like there's statistics that show like Christians who are actually practicing their faith, they stay married.
	Well, the study.
	The study you're referencing about like something like 1% of, or the divorce rate is 1% among Christian couples who pray together.
	I don't know how frequently they pray, but they pray together.
	I believe that was done in the 1990s.
	Alyssa is marriage material.
	Modestly dressed, conservative, feminine, and apparently humorous with the curtsy.
	I throw my hat in for position of husband number three.
	Coffee and chat for our first date.
	Do you accept coffee?
	Are you more of a tea?
	You prefer tea?
	Hot chocolate type of girl.
	Hot cocoa.
	Are you down though?
	By the way, I want to just say, Dustin, he saved me from a raccoon attack once.
	Yeah, that was crazy.
	Yeah, it was wild.
	So I cosine as a charity for lost dogs.
	Yep.
	We'll see.
	Oh, so the study you referenced, I believe it was in the early 1990s, which was over 30 years ago, very long time ago.
	A lot has changed in the culture since then.
	Chiefly social media, dating apps, and the proliferation of OnlyFans, right?
	So the dating marketplace, the landscape, hellscape has totally changed.
	So the study that you referenced is so outdated, I don't think it can apply to modern day.
	I think that if you're like a Christian with a relationship with God and that's what your marriage is based on, you're not going to be participating in OnlyFans.
	Sorry, that's right, but and you're not going to be watching porn or like that's what having a relationship with God is if you're actually pursuing your faith and taking it seriously.
	So I don't think those types of marriages have a high chance in divorce.
	But I know you're an atheist, so you probably do have a high chance of divorce, Brian.
	Am I an atheist?
	From what you've said on this show.
	He's been reading.
	He's been reading.
	Look, I'm a man of God.
	However.
	But you don't have to get married.
	I don't think anyone has to get married or anything.
	I am a man of God.
	However, the state of marriage is untenable for men in the West.
	and women no well it's where do you look for the women that you're pursuing Where do I look?
	Yeah, I look for bros.
	They're going to different countries.
	Yeah, so if you're only looking at the women around this community, like every time you have a show.
	Nickelodeon donated $100.
	Yeah, Alyssa seems okay.
	I'm a channel engineer that likes demeaning my GFS.
	Can I get in line for husband number four?
	Alyssa is really popular.
	okay she's have you sworn off marriage is it Are you just done with marriage?
	Jesus would have to walk me down the aisle at this point.
	Guys, grow a beard and grow your hair out.
	That's the only way.
	Yeah.
	I mean, who said passport bros was that?
	Yeah.
	I've been referred to as a passport bro many times.
	Really?
	I thought people were flinging it.
	Last year, for example, I traveled to like maybe like 20 different countries or so.
	And I did do a little bit of dating here and there.
	And then people often ask me, what is the best sort of nationality for a woman?
	And I've come to the conclusion that it's a woman who fears God.
	That's it.
	Because if you date an atheist woman, then she just doesn't have the sense of accountability and she doesn't understand the relationship between man and woman.
	She doesn't understand what it means to be in that unity.
	But if you date Christian women, they're really aware of it, like really lucidly aware of it.
	So I'd say that you're probably right about that.
	But I mean, maybe this study would have been bitter.
	Well, yeah, marriage is like a really difficult thing.
	So honestly, I just don't see if you don't have God at the center of your relationship.
	Yeah, I think it has a really high chance of failing for both sides.
	Well, I mean, I can think of some examples, but it's not clear to me if even people who are devoutly religious, at any time, you can always change your view on things.
	You can always, as women, you reserve the right to become a raging liberal feminist at any point in your life.
	You'd mess up.
	If you're with a really Christian woman, for example, like a woman who's waiting for marriage, and then a few years down the line, she becomes a raging feminist, you are a terrible read of character.
	Because those values are something that are really sort of fundamental to the person.
	And it takes a lifetime of training to sort of get yourself there and to then turn it around.
	It'll be like a massive spiritual shift for that person.
	I mean, there's low chance of that happening.
	So I don't think your argument is very valid.
	Like, you're just talking, like...
	Yeah, a person can become anything with time.
	But, like, why would...
	Can you Google the divorce rates among the various religious groups?
	I'm just curious.
	Well, you mentioned before, like, nominal Christians, though.
	Yeah, like, I don't even think those statistics would be valid.
	I'm talking about an actual spiritual relationship with God where they're pursuing him.
	Anyone can say they're Christian or even go to church, so they can still be watching porn on the side.
	Look, that's fine.
	The reality is, is that the divorce industry is a, I don't know if it's, it's a billion dollar industry.
	There's, you can pull it up, Nick.
	Could you make it a little bigger and make us smaller?
	Yeah, that's probably a little easier.
	Marital status, can you make it bigger?
	Yeah.
	That's fine.
	Buddhist, divorced.
	Okay, scroll down.
	Evangelical Protestant.
	Wait, but hold on, scroll up.
	What's the title of this?
	marital status is there something just for we'll keep it here um Divorced, 14% for Protestant next.
	Hindu, small.
	Historically black Protestant, 19.
	Jehovah's Witness, 12.
	Jewish, 9.
	Mainline Protestant, 7.
	Muslim, 8.
	Mormon, 7.
	Unaffiliated religious nuns.
	is unaffiliated atheist or yeah religious nuns usually means like i think it might be Unaffiliated, they're less.
	Snake donated $100.
	For the rings, I bought my wife a $400 ring.
	After X years of marriage, I got her a $30,000 ring.
	She was with me when I was grinding, and she's rewarded when we're coasting.
	Gold ding to your own grave and gold ding to your own grave and gold ding?
	Gold digging?
	Gold dig?
	Probably by my wife.
	Okay, well, that's nice of him.
	You know, he upgraded the ring.
	I don't think it's gold digging to want a man who's financially stable enough to afford it.
	It was decent.
	You can be financially stable, and then if anything, it shows your financial stability by choosing to buy something that's less expensive because you know it's not necessary.
	Yeah, it's practical because you don't need a $10,000 ring.
	But you have $10,000 in the bank, but it's like, oh, I'm not going to spend that on a ring.
	I'll spend it on something useful.
	You know what I mean?
	Especially if no one's bawling in this situation.
	Yeah, but you can be well off enough to get married and provide and have a family and a house and all these things and not give someone a ring that's more than it's necessary.
	I don't know.
	I would just question if a guy can really afford to, you know, pay for part of a wedding, a house.
	You would know that finances.
	Yeah, you would know his finances without being like, oh, if you can't afford $10,000 ring, that means you don't have to.
	Well, I would just think he doesn't care that much.
	If he spends like $100,000.
	I'm not even saying I think he should spend $10,000.
	I think that's ridiculous.
	I'm just saying $100 just seems kind of tacky.
	But if he's in his mid to late 20s, there's also an element of investment there.
	You want to sort of back a good horse.
	Because if he's a guy who has potential in 10 years' time to be something quite special, and women can normally sort of pick that, then that's a good investment as well.
	Whereas in their 20s, they might not be, but they might have a really fierce entrepreneurial fire about them that you can see.
	But it's probably better to go for a guy like that that doesn't have as much money now, but he's got a lot of ambition than a guy who's sort of just coasting into a sort of a ceiling job.
	So it's another thing to think about.
	I would agree, but I also think you probably shouldn't get married to a woman if you couldn't potentially provide for a house.
	Absolutely, but that isn't.
	That's not part of the ring question, though.
	Like, would you personally buy a $10,000 object?
	When did I say $10,000?
	Okay, sorry, like $1,000.
	I'm just saying not $100.
	Like, I'm saying not, because when I think of $100, I think you go to Walmart and there's just no thought, effort put into that at all.
	Like, I want a man who wants to put effort and, you know, get me something nice.
	Like, you only get one.
	I mean, I guess you can say, oh, I'm upgrading the ring later.
	But it's still like a pretty special thing.
	I'd want a man to put a little bit more effort.
	It's like super cheap.
	Low effort.
	No, I think the effort should be shown in the ring and how they pick it out.
	It actually matches who you are.
	Obviously, you've heard the stories of guys getting a girl a gold ring and she only wears silver her whole life and just like, oh, you don't know me.
	Well, that would be fun.
	That's a different conversation than like, did you spend X amount of money equals your love for me?
	You know what I mean?
	True.
	Look, if you love each other, you don't need to spend tens of thousands of dollars on a wedding ring to show it.
	If you don't love each other, no amount of money will change or improve your relationship.
	And the whole wedding ring thing, these holidays or, you know, Valentine's Day, which is coming up, it's got nothing to do with love.
	I mean, it's just a commercial gimmick that's manufactured by corporations, compelling men, sometimes women too, to spend money on things they neither need nor want.
	And I think it's actually counterproductive too, because it almost makes it sound like men should only be romantic on this random day that Hallmark decides, rather than you should just be romantic all the time.
	Let's get back to the bowing though.
	Let's get back to the bowing.
	Okay, first off, look, again, again, I got to tackle this.
	Y'all want a dude to kneel, but you won't bow.
	We could talk about what we're giving him.
	Like, we're giving him chilt.
	Like, we're literally using our body.
	What's that quote from?
	What's the quote with the whole, I'd rather live on my knee.
	Wait, what is it?
	I'd rather die on my feet than live on my knees.
	I'd rather die on my feet than live on my knees.
	Who said that, chat?
	Anybody?
	It's only three seconds.
	What is proposal?
	A bow is like nothing, though.
	Loose pussy energy donated $100.
	These feminists have such a problem with bowing, but we'll let chads slash Tyrons nut on their faces.
	Hey, you stole this from me.
	You stole this from Tats.
	Brian, Abdul is sending a large order of rocks.
	Hashtag FreeNick number 8 at 18.
	Get the rocks.
	I don't think that's a good idea.
	Abdul?
	Yeah, get the rocks.
	Get the rocks.
	Free nickers.
	I coined this a couple shows ago, but you'll have women, typically like more liberal women, who like, but they're feminist, right?
	Who are like, I don't need no man.
	And like, would never be, like, recoil at the thought of being submissive to a man or doing a bow, for example.
	Not even a bow.
	They just don't, they want to be independent boss babes.
	They're not open to following the man's lead, being submissive, whatever.
	They will gladly let a man come on their face, though.
	What the fuck?
	Like, I just want to bow, but oh, you'll let a dude blast?
	Like, would you bow?
	You wouldn't bow, right?
	Yeah.
	Oh, you would bow.
	Honestly, if somebody asked me, like, yeah, I mean, I can be, like, pretty submissive.
	Like, I don't know.
	Okay.
	All right.
	It doesn't apply to you.
	But there's definitely like women out there who are like.
	I wanted you to come on their face.
	But, oh, no.
	He wants a bow, an innocent bow.
	That's where they draw.
	That's where they draw the line.
	I love the bow thing.
	Everybody is very upset with the bowing.
	I don't know.
	I don't know.
	I think it's kind of hot.
	Like, the bowing thing.
	I think it could be like a hot thing.
	I don't know.
	All right.
	She's redeemed her.
	The communist has redeemed herself.
	But you also don't have mutual respect views with your partner, right?
	Like, you're out with other guys while he's at home.
	So, like, I feel like that opinion, it only goes so far in the sense of like what you would or wouldn't do.
	It's okay.
	It's a W. You've got a W on this one.
	I hate to do this, but I have like a really long draw.
	Oh, we are.
	Give us five minutes.
	I promise we're wrapping up here in just a sec.
	I didn't want to be that.
	Yeah, no, I'm just going to read a couple things and then we're going to wrap.
	Curtis Leon, Brian, in keeping with the show.
	Oh, hold on, let me pull it up.
	Brian, in keeping with the show theme today, you're sentenced to Soviet gulag for 10 years, but you can get released if you breed Layla and she gets to broadcast it live on her OF.
	Would you do it?
	I mean, this is such a Curtis.
	You send me these scenarios.
	He DMs me once a week, these scenarios with this girl named Layla, who's been on the show, who I she just, I mean, I've turned her down.
	She was doing a fucking bit, but basically, she's done content with a man.
	She's had sex with the men on camera.
	And for me, that's a deal breaker.
	Like, there's no going back from that.
	So he's asking me what if I was, would I have sex with her if I was in a Soviet prison camp for 10 years?
	Yes, I would, to get out of 10 years of fucking hard labor in a Soviet gulag in the in the where's the cold area of Russia?
	Siberia.
	Siberia, thank you.
	Yes, I would, I would have intercourse with Layla.
	It's disgusting.
	Wait, what's disgusting?
	You would do that.
	You would give away your soul.
	Bro, send this girl to the fucking gulags.
	Let's see what she's ready to do to get out that shit.
	Yes, I would have sexual intercourse.
	And he said breed, so yes, I suppose I would impregnate.
	That would be another form of slavery, I suppose.
	Little Brian running around.
	Little Brian.
	Okay.
	But yes, I would.
	Really, you wouldn't do the trade?
	She'd be offering it up on a piece of camera.
	You're in Siberian hard labor camp.
	Never.
	I don't even know who that is.
	I'm trying to think what would be the course.
	What about if it was Brian?
	What the?
	Wow.
	Thanks, Jake.
	Thank you, Jake.
	Appreciate it.
	Soviet gulag it is.
	I got to push back a little bit on this.
	Hold on.
	So you're okay.
	Just to debate, you wouldn't have you wouldn't have sexual intercourse with me to get out.
	To get out of Siberian hard labor prison.
	Are you marrying me first?
	Yeah, sure, why not?
	Okay, I do that.
	Oh, so that's the, what's it called?
	He said, sure, why not?
	I guess I can marry you.
	It's a proviso.
	Get her a good ring.
	Should we open this up to the ladies?
	Like, would you ladies to get out of hard labor?
	Bro, these.
	It just doesn't make.
	You know what's funny?
	I've done, like, I did a social experiment way back in the day where I had like legit $1,000 cash on me.
	And, well, I'd go.
	The social experiment was, as a woman, are you willing to shave your head for $1,000?
	Oh, never.
	Right.
	No, I don't think that's totally unreasonable.
	But like when I, that's all I had on me for the social experiment to see if any women, like literally, here's cash, pay you a thousand bucks.
	Dudes would do that for a hamburger.
	Shit, they'd probably do for free.
	Fuck yeah.
	Free haircut, let's go.
	But then I like, I hypothetically kept bumping it up.
	And there were literally women who said they would not shave their head for a million dollars.
	I kid you not.
	Which to me is like the most, no offense, ladies, is like the most brain-dead fucking how, like, you wouldn't shave your fucking head for a million.
	And then I asked them, well, what do you do for work?
	Oh, I'm a server.
	I make $17 an hour.
	I'm like, so you're saying you would, what would take 10 minutes of time, and you could buy the fanciest wig, and it would regrow within a couple years.
	You'd be how much would it, how much does it take someone to make, let's say you make $50,000 a year.
	That's 20 years of labor.
	I'm sorry, some of you.
	It's just that $1,000 is different than a million.
	No, but they turned down the hypothetical million.
	They wouldn't even do it.
	They would not buzz their hair off for a million dollars.
	And I want to go around the table on this.
	Would you buzz your hair off for a million dollars?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	All right.
	I probably should have asked that first before I made my yes, there's wigs.
	Yes, it goes back.
	100%.
	Sure.
	Yeah, I shaved my head in high school, so.
	Okay, Britney Spears over here.
	Yes, I would.
	I shouldn't have gone on my whole fucking show.
	That's too easy.
	That's too easy.
	I'm not kidding you, though.
	I never released the footage because it was kind of like a dumbass idea.
	Oh, let's see.
	But we have the footage, like almost every single woman, when we ask for a million, would you, and they said no.
	And I was like, okay, all right.
	I don't know how did we get there?
	What were we talking about?
	Having sex.
	Oh, the fucking.
	Okay, yeah, yeah.
	This is crazy to me.
	Like, yeah, you would, you say it, but you'd probably have, yeah, okay, whatever.
	Okay, we have Sleepy Bear.
	A ring does not reflect wealth.
	You know, if your fiancé is financially stable long before a ring, I bought my wife a prairie diamond for $3.
	She wears it with pride.
	Hey, Sleepy Bear, appreciate it, man.
	Thank you very much.
	We have Fally coming in here in just a sec.
	Fally, my bad.
	Not that Layla commands respect with the stuff she said on the panel, but my apologies for the butchering the name.
	Have a good night, y'all.
	What's this in reference to?
	I'm not sure.
	Yo, Fally, appreciate it, man.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	We have CJ here.
	CJ, here's how you can tell Daphne is fake AF.
	Google her OF handle.
	No account needed.
	It says she's currently online.
	Her post count increased during the show.
	She's making enough to pay a management company to con simps.
	Explain how that's not fraud.
	I don't have a manager.
	Oh.
	Hunter donated $100.
	My guy, are you wrapping it up or not?
	You said you were 20 minutes ago.
	You're just reaching now.
	Wow.
	The girls probably have to get home.
	I just got to do these chats.
	I don't know what to say to that.
	Why don't you just stop watching?
	You don't have to.
	Did you want to respond to CJ here?
	I don't know.
	I don't know what to say.
	I mean, my.
	Do you have a typer?
	Nope.
	I don't know what to say to that.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Aaron Chambers, shout out from Tuscaloosa, Alabama.
	We may be from the South, but we know what a man and woman is.
	I don't join tribes, but when I do, I vote Trump 2024.
	California is the ideologue state.
	No critical thinking.
	I was a 12-year Democrat.
	Then I grew up.
	Aaron Chambers.
	Thank you.
	Are you talking about Comifornia?
	Comiformia.
	Is that?
	Or California Stan, as I like to call it.
	Thank you, man.
	Appreciate it.
	Okay.
	Last things here before we wrap.
	For the communist, do you have any other hot takes?
	No.
	Question for you.
	What is a woman?
	Someone who presents as a woman.
	Someone who identifies as a woman.
	Can you define that without using the word woman?
	Like, can you define woman without using the word woman?
	No.
	I guess just someone who identifies as so.
	Okay.
	Okay, I'm going to do a rapid fire.
	Last, some hot takes from me.
	Rapid fire.
	And then we're going to wrap up the show.
	And I want you guys to respond if you have to.
	Wait, hold on.
	And do you have a heart out?
	No, no, I'm just.
	Can you go for another five, ten minutes?
	Are you good?
	I know I said five minutes five minutes ago, but that's okay.
	I swear, I swear.
	Okay, hold on.
	Let's see.
	Okay.
	If anybody disagrees with any of the following, feminism is not about equality.
	It's about securing benefits for women.
	Anyone want to argue with me on that?
	I mean, if you're talking about modern feminism, then maybe.
	But true feminism is not.
	And they're hijacking.
	When was it true feminism?
	In the very beginning.
	The very fundamental purpose of feminism.
	What's the definition of feminism?
	I disagree, though.
	What's the definition of feminism?
	Sure.
	Well, okay, I'll give you the most generous definition I have of it.
	Now, what I actually think feminism is, is quite frankly a man-hating ideology.
	Sure, I can agree that that's what modern feminists are.
	Well, I think it's always been that way.
	Always?
	What?
	Yeah, always.
	What happened in the days?
	Always.
	Look up Seneca Falls.
	Do you think women wanting to vote is like anti-men?
	No, that's not what I said.
	I said feminism has and is anti-men.
	Has been and is anti-man.
	You think it started off that way?
	Absolutely.
	Do you think we should repeal the 19th?
	No, I'm not that hardcore.
	I believe women should have the right to vote.
	However, speaking of the 19th Amendment, which is kind of related to you're saying that, you know.
	So the definition.
	Oh, so, okay.
	The most generous definition I give feminism is: feminism is a woman's advocacy movement.
	It's never been about equality.
	Advocacy for what?
	It's been about women's advocacy.
	Now, feminism is not about equality, and here's why.
	Feminists will only pursue equality if said equality stands to benefit women.
	They will not pursue some form of equality if that equality could conceivably or otherwise would be to the detriment of women.
	Here's a perfect example.
	In Florida, the National Organization for Women, one of the leading feminist organizations, very mainstream feminist organizations, fought against a bill to, I believe it was to equalize child custody between both parents.
	That would be equality.
	That's one example.
	Let's go back to, for example, you mentioned the 19th Amendment.
	Women were able to secure the right to vote without the corresponding responsibility, which was the genesis of men getting the right to vote, which was their being subject to forced military conscription.
	For the longest period of human history, men didn't have the right to vote either.
	Men got the right to vote before women because they had more responsibilities than women did through forced military conscription.
	What happened right before women got the right to vote?
	Can anybody tell me, please?
	In the 1910s?
	Prohibition, like amendment order?
	Okay, from 1914 to 1918, what happened?
	World War I. Jake kind of preempted that, but that's fine.
	That's fine.
	Okay.
	So it's very convenient that women waited until after one of the most deadly and brutal wars to secure their right to vote.
	Well, really, why isn't men pushing for women to vote?
	Weren't women?
	Well, that's not what the suffragettes want to do.
	I don't think that we should ever.
	Men and women are different.
	It doesn't mean that they shouldn't have the right to vote just because they don't have the same exact responsibilities as we do.
	We're still citizens of society where we pay taxes.
	If we're talking about, if you're talking about like on a more like social level, perhaps I agree with you.
	However, what is put down by the government, I'm feeling how you can make an argument that women should have a right provided to them by the government without the corresponding responsibility that enabled men to have access to the vote, which was through forced military conscription.
	And to this day, in order for a man to be able to vote, in 2024, he must register with the selective service.
	If he doesn't, it's a felony.
	If he doesn't, it's a $250,000 fine.
	It would preclude you from getting certain federal jobs, certain government jobs.
	It would preclude you from getting financial aid if you wanted to be able to go to school.
	So feminism has always attempted to secure privileges for women without the corresponding responsibilities.
	Do you not support the women's right to vote or do you?
	I do.
	But you were able to secure it.
	You were able to secure it without the corresponding responsibility, which is the genesis of feminism.
	I asked that for a reason because I want to know why you support a woman's right to vote.
	Because it occurs to me that that's the egalitarian thing, and I'm an egalitarian.
	So it is a good thing that women have the right to vote?
	You're trying to get me on a gotcha, but I believe women should have the right to vote.
	Now you should.
	What do you mean?
	Why?
	Well, you're arguing that there isn't a corresponding responsibility, and therefore that's why women shouldn't have had the right to vote at that time.
	But now I'm asking you, if you agree with that stance, then why do you support a women's right to vote now?
	Well, it's not that I think we need to walk back women's right to vote.
	I think it's an injustice that you did not, that women were not made subject to military conscription.
	I can understand that you would feel that way.
	I just feel like there's differences in men and women, and the right to vote shouldn't be entirely based on that prescription.
	It absolutely shouldn't.
	I don't think it should be, because there's other responsibilities as a citizen that you would have.
	Even if I consider that.
	So you should still have the right to speak in our politics.
	So explain to me what is the corresponding government force that is placed on women that coincides, that is in some conceivable way commensurate to forced military conscription.
	Explain it to me.
	There isn't one.
	I've already pointed out that we're citizens.
	Feminists secure.
	We're still citizens in this country, so we should have the right to vote for other reasons besides just one, which is the militant prescription.
	But there is no citizens who are women don't have corresponding.
	There's not even a social media.
	But then I don't get why.
	There's not even a civil, like a so, what's the term for the civil service?
	Women don't even have to do that.
	No, there is no reason.
	What is the reason?
	Explain the reason to me.
	We're different.
	Men and women are different, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't have the equal right to vote.
	According to feminists, but I'm not making that argument.
	I'm not a modern fake feminist.
	They're not true feminists.
	They stand for putting men down and claiming that we should have more rights than men.
	That's not feminism.
	So when you say feminist, I literally don't hear modern feminists.
	I hear original feminism, which had a very specific and very simple goal to have equality with men in the law, and that was the right to vote.
	Right, but and to eventually like have a debit card and have a job and do certain things that women have.
	Right, and then in today's society, there's no right that a man has that the woman doesn't.
	Right, yeah.
	Except I've already explained this before, but except for the right to life.
	We don't have equal right to life.
	Okay, we already talked about that.
	But again, so my position on this is that military conscription ought to be equalized.
	Women should be subject to military conscription.
	Do you think having women be in the military, like forced into combat and deployed is a good idea if they're not even like no, but here's the difference.
	First off, man created, or excuse me, God created.
	What is it?
	Holy fuck.
	I'm sorry, guys.
	I'm butchering it.
	God created man unequally, Smith and Wesson.
	Smith and Wesson.
	Fuck it.
	Holy fuck.
	How am I?
	I'm sorry, guys.
	Nick, can you Google it?
	I've already butchered it.
	Maybe somebody in the chat.
	What's the whole equalization with Smith and Wesson?
	Women are capable.
	Women make excellent snipers.
	Women are capable of.
	I don't disagree.
	Hold on.
	Hold on.
	No, no, no, no.
	But hold on.
	I will grant you that, yes, absolutely, there are differences between men and women.
	I think, though, if you want to be equals, women should be subject to military conscription and they can be in support roles.
	But not allowing women to be subject to military conscription is a great injustice.
	I can see myself being convinced of that.
	You make a good point on that, in that aspect.
	But when you're talking about deployable and the men and women are the same in this regard, that they should both do that in order to have the right to vote, I don't agree with.
	But I could get on board with the last thing you said.
	But then who are we fighting for if we're all just at war and no one's home?
	Well, there's people of typically the drafting age.
	I don't know the exact drafting age.
	And who's taking care of all the kids?
	They're not drafting like 35-year-olds.
	If there was a draft, they're drafting 18, 19, 2020.
	What if they have kids?
	Why would you take away both parents?
	Well, I'll tell you this much.
	If there was a draft, a lot of women would all of a sudden start getting pregnant.
	And actually, a funny thing, even women who are volunteers in the military, as soon as that deployment notice comes, all of a sudden a lot of women get pregnant.
	Maybe because I'm talking about it.
	A lot of female soldiers get pregnant intentionally to avoid deployment.
	Look.
	I just don't think that equates to the right to vote.
	What do you do?
	What do you mean, what do I do?
	You can't argue.
	You're not even talking about the points I'm making where we pay taxes, we're citizens.
	Those are still completely equal situations that we have with the people who are not.
	But okay, here we need to have an equal right to say politics.
	As a man, any man in this country, in order to be able to vote, you need to be subject to military conscription.
	Yes, and we are different.
	No.
	Yes, we are.
	Not in this regard.
	Well, we are.
	Women ought to be subject to.
	No, there's not.
	There is.
	Women.
	Yes, but you guys did away with that.
	Feminists did away with it.
	Don't blame it on me.
	Yeah, that's not real feminism.
	That's not an accurate representation of feminism.
	Feminism today says all the kind of things that are the antithesis of equality.
	So I don't believe that modern-day feminists.
	Women can function in the military.
	I don't think that we should be putting women on the front lines, but women can be in support roles.
	I already told you, I could agree with that.
	Right.
	And you should be subject to military conscription and the draft.
	And if there ever is one, you can be in a support.
	Brian, I have a question.
	You're so passionate about it.
	Who voted in the 19th Amendment?
	Men or women?
	How's that told?
	Because women couldn't even vote it in, so men did this.
	Why did you do that?
	Why'd you give.
	Well, because you're saying by prep.
	I mean, I mean, obviously.
	Because obviously, because only men could vote.
	So it was men who brought in the 19th century.
	I mean, actually, the military amendment at the time.
	So you did this to us.
	I mean, I don't believe in viewing it as this, like.
	You guys know that the original feminists were vehemently anti-Christian.
	Yeah, honestly, I think it was fine before.
	I would be totally fine with that if everything stayed the same because at that time it was like the man was voting for the household.
	The whole doctrine of feminism in the early days was very anti-Christian.
	They thought that they wanted to destroy Christianity because they thought that the only way to liberate the woman was to destroy Christianity.
	That's not true for all early feminists.
	They might have been a lot of people.
	A lot of early feminists were also shared.
	They were also in their list.
	But if you look at this book before, there's a book called Occult Feminism by Rachel Wilson.
	And she goes through all of the basically the major early suffragettes and feminists.
	Vehemently anti-Christian.
	Many of them actually practiced a lot of witchcraft and blood magic and all that sort of stuff.
	And a lot of them married very powerful men, like your Rockefellers and these sorts of guys, who would then go and fund these movements with the intention in mind of destroying Christianity and creating a new world religion.
	It's all very well documented.
	When you say you ideologically align with the early feminists, would you say that you ideologically align with those people or is there anyone in particular who you can?
	I say I align with the original version of feminism.
	Do you know much about the original version of feminism?
	I don't align with Susan B. Anthony?
	Yeah, I don't exactly.
	I don't align with specific feminists who were everything the antithesis of feminism.
	I'm talking about the original feminism.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Susan B. Anthony is a perfect example of someone who was a true feminist who actually stood for equality, was pro-life, and said, you know, we don't need abortion to be equal to men, but we should have some level of equality in the law and have a right to vote because our vote matters and our voices matter.
	Yeah.
	But okay, so should it.
	Okay, here's why men got the right to vote before women.
	And again, for the vast majority of human history, both men and women didn't have access to vote.
	You had kings and queens and tyrants and monarchs and all this sort of thing.
	So one of the reasons men got access to the vote before women, and it was for a very short period of human history, women caught up very quickly.
	Again, it was because of military conscription.
	If your representatives could send just you to war, then, and not women, that was the basis of why men got the right to vote before women.
	I understand that, but we're talking about a different basis for women.
	You can look at other countries and say that there's not a right to vote for women for other specific reasons.
	And do you agree with a woman not having the right to vote?
	Like, that is what I'm saying.
	I can't, I don't know, can't speak to the specifics of those countries, but sure, but that's what makes us unique as the United States of America, is that we do value freedom of.
	You keep trying to get me in a gotcha.
	Again, I'll reiterate again: yes, I think women should vote, but I'm not trying to.
	I'm not trying to walk back the women's rights.
	I'm trying to say it's an injustice.
	They underscore men.
	She just said you did this to us.
	Really?
	Men did this to themselves, not you.
	You got included when you got the right to vote.
	Men voted men in.
	Tell me you don't know what a logical fallacy is.
	Look, the reality is, I believe, I don't know.
	Thank you, Satch88.
	The reality is, I mean, I do think eventually the, I forgot, there's some, they've tried to bring legal cases against this discrimination against men when it comes to the military draft.
	They, frankly, it needs to be equalized.
	Are you against that?
	I'm not against it, no.
	I could see myself supporting it.
	I already told you that about your position that you're going to be talking about.
	So, wait, what are we arguing about?
	Well, I said hypothetically, I could agree with you, but I still think that we're talking about the difference between the original decision that women had the right to vote, and then you're talking about like a modern-day fix to women being drafted and everything.
	So, we're kind of talking about two different things.
	No, but okay, this all stemmed from me saying that feminism is not a true equality movement, it only seeks to secure privileges and preferential treatment for women.
	So, you okay, do you think that rights come with responsibilities and duties?
	Absolutely.
	Okay, women were able to secure a right without a corresponding duty.
	Okay, corresponding to men, but corresponding to the United States government, we are citizens, we pay taxes, we have a right to speak, and under the Constitution, under the government.
	I can't, I don't know how else to explain this.
	It doesn't have to be equal to the rights of the because we're different.
	That's irrelevant.
	The equality of the right to vote shouldn't be gender-based.
	There's literally what's there's a there's a clause, I don't know if it's in the Constitution or an amendment, but the anti-is it an anti-discrimination, hold on, the anti-discrimination laws in the Constitution.
	What time is it?
	Trying to find it.
	Hold on.
	This whole trope, like, then shouldn't we just make the argument?
	We could just as easily make the argument that men and women are different, ergo, women should not have the right to vote.
	I already agree with you about your conscription perspective.
	No, but if your position is that men and women are different and that you have this women are damsels in distress and they're not capable of providing or assisting in the war effort, then at that time in history, that's what happened.
	So, we're either arguing that what happened was wrong, and therefore you don't agree with the women's right to vote based on how it happened, or you do, and that's the reality of it, that women have the right to vote.
	Well, I can't go back and undo history, but like but would you if you could?
	No, again, you keep trying to get me in a gotcha here.
	But I'm in favor of women voting, okay.
	But you don't want them to vote unless they have that same prescription as a vote.
	It's curious to me that women were able to secure a right without the corresponding responsibility.
	It could be curious, but that's just what happened.
	And I think there's still good reasons to have a right to vote, even if you're not part of that.
	But I pay taxes, I want to be able to vote on how high those taxes are.
	There's other reasons to that you have responsibilities as a citizen to have the right to vote than just.
	So, are men second-class citizens?
	No, they're not.
	Well, they absolutely are under this current setup.
	They have a different conscription than we do right now.
	But there is no corresponding Government force that that is that wit, like there's no civil service for women.
	There is nothing enforced by the government on women that corresponds to males' duty to register with the selective service and be subject to military conscription.
	Right, which is why I agreed with your suggestion to do that.
	Otherwise, we could also just get rid of it entirely.
	Obviously, that's just a pacifist view.
	But okay, you offered this up in rebuttal to me saying that feminism has never been about equality, it's been about women's advocacy and securing benefits for women.
	Would you agree that women being able to get the right to vote is a benefit?
	I think it's a moral, it's a responsibility, it's a right.
	It can benefit you or it can't benefit you.
	It's not necessarily directly a benefit.
	Okay, so am I wrong to state that women were able to secure the vote without the corresponding responsibility of being subject to military conscription?
	The way that men did, that's a historical fact.
	So, regardless of whether men and women are different, which I agree with you, we are, you're offering that up in rebuttal to my statement that feminists attempt to secure rights for women without any corresponding responsibility.
	One example.
	If you want to, we could talk about other things besides voting.
	We've spent all this time on voting.
	Do you have any other examples of things that women are trying to fight for?
	I'm trying to think if there's anything else.
	Well, I gave you the National Organization of Women example.
	Feminist organizations will frequently fight when it comes to the family court system.
	They'll fight for presumed 50-50 custody, for example.
	Yeah, I don't necessarily agree or disagree with that.
	I mean, I haven't really looked into that as much.
	But I don't think that one feminist organization of our modern day is representative of a true feminist movement.
	Okay, but again, I said that my view of feminism, feminism is not an equality movement because it's always about securing benefits for women.
	What do you think is the current modern feminist view?
	Is that the same thing?
	Do you not think that what are the.
	Yes, because here's why.
	What would be equality?
	Equalizing military conscription in this country.
	So that's pretty much your big crux.
	Like, that's what you care about the most, is the military.
	That's a major issue.
	You got a diet war, so it's pretty important.
	Absolutely.
	But that's a major.
	Do you agree with taking away the meaning of the money?
	I mean, I'll give you more.
	I'll give you.
	Would you want men not to do that then?
	Like, go to war?
	Are you a pacifist?
	Well, here's the.
	Because, of course, I agree that it's a bad thing.
	War is bad, but I recognize that, no, you can never get rid of the draft because conceivably there could be some scenario on the world stage, some military conflict that would require a draft to occur.
	So, no, and it's not even politically tenable to ever get rid of the draft.
	Frankly, it will never happen.
	So, we must equalize the draft in the name of equality.
	Okay.
	Seems like you guys have been agreeing this whole converse.
	Yeah, I've already agreed with that aspect of it.
	That if that was actually put forward, are you putting forth that legislation?
	Are you working on that right now?
	Because I would.
	I'm a podcaster.
	I know, but you're very passionate.
	I'm saying maybe you should be.
	I advocate for men, but the point I was trying to make is that feminism is not an equality movement because it should be an affectionate.
	One sextillion, one hundred and eleven sextillion, one hundred and eleven quintillion, one hundred and eleven quadrillion, one hundred and eleven trillion, one hundred and eleven billion one hundred and eleven, one hundred and eleven thousand one hundred and eleven donated one hundred dollars.
	My helicopter goes because you're trying to fucking argue with me.
	I'm pretty sure we mostly agree.
	The reason why I'm feminist is very straightforward and it has nothing to do with that aspect.
	I think you're not even listening to what I'm saying.
	I have a pretty coherent worldview on it.
	I agreed with you.
	And I'm saying you should put it into legislation.
	Because you keep bringing back the historical aspect of the world.
	But you're like, I'm just acknowledging that history happened, and I'm giving you a reason why it happened.
	Holy fuck.
	I am saying, I am saying that feminism has never been an equality movement because if fighting for inequality could conceivably come at the detriment of women, aka being subject to military conscription, feminists will not push for said equality.
	They will not fight for said equality if the equality does not benefit women.
	And that's evidenced by the fact that even back in 1920, women secured the right to the vote without a corresponding responsibility of being subject to military conscription.
	It's still the case in 2020.
	$6,111, Quintillion, 111 quadrillion, 111 trillion, 111,111,111,111 donated $100.
	Jesus Christ.
	I'm going to read some chats, thank you.
	Jay Jorgensen, welcome to 2024, Brian.
	Women pick and choose rights during a challenge men cannot.
	Thanks.
	Okay.
	Which rights are we talking about?
	What do you mean?
	What rights?
	We only have talked about the right to vote.
	We could talk about any other vote.
	There's a whole bunch.
	Let me think here.
	This isn't really something that's more on a social level, not a government level.
	But for example, well, I mean, you could actually make the argument that we've outlawed female genital mutilation, but male circumcision is absolutely legal.
	So, I mean, it's not circumcision is not something that's like enforced by the government, but it is legal under the government to circumcise young men, excuse me, baby boys.
	And so I think I'm against male genital mutilation.
	So that's more on like a societal level, something that's a differently like cultural reasons for that.
	So I think that's kind of probably a bigger conversation that has nothing to do with.
	Well, it doesn't have anything to do with government, but we have David McFarlane sounds like she has a PhD in gender studies.
	Well, it could be related to the government because we could outlaw circumcision.
	We could.
	But we don't, but we've outlawed female genital circumcision.
	Yeah, that's true.
	So perhaps it should be.
	David, appreciate it, man.
	Does she have a PhD in gender studies?
	That's a good question.
	Praxis, Brian, the draft is a very weak argument.
	South Korea has an actual men-only draft.
	The selective service system is not the draft.
	Much bigger injustice is paternity fraud.
	When has a woman ever paid child support for another woman's kid?
	Never.
	Well, absolutely, paternity fraud is a catastrophe, absolutely terrible.
	That's not really something that's totally related to rights in the government.
	Although there can be things where, like, for example, let's say a man signs the birth certificate and he's assumed that the child was his, and he raises the child as it was his.
	After a period of a certain year, let's say at year five, you take a paternity test and determine, provably with genetic DNA testing, that the child is not yours, you can still be forced to pay child support, even if the kid is not yours because you, for a period of time, you acted as if the kid was yours.
	And that in the law, like if you, I don't care what the situation is, if you think the kid's yours, but it's not, you should be free.
	You should not be subject to child support if the kid is not yours.
	So that's a good one praxis.
	I will say, though, I think the draft is a fucking major argument, actually.
	It's a huge argument.
	And you guys say, well, there hasn't been a draft in a while.
	We got friggin, look at what's going on in the world.
	In the Middle East, Ukraine.
	I think we're closer to a worldwide conflict today than in any time in the past, I don't know.
	I don't know, 20, 30 years.
	So I think the draft is actually a very strong argument.
	Anyways, let's see.
	We have other chats here.
	We have Matthew Lee.
	Rights are socially constructed.
	Women should not have any right to vote because they are not able to enforce anything as the enforcement arm is men.
	The right to vote came along with drafting as well.
	That's from Matthew Lee.
	That's not true.
	What do you mean?
	What is the enforcement arm?
	This isn't it.
	This is a.
	I'm going to just be devil's advocate on this.
	This is a take from Andrew Wilson.
	So, like all these feminist positions.
	I don't, I feel like I'm not the best person to actually articulate this.
	But like, who enforces rights?
	Enforces them?
	Like, the judicial system?
	What do you mean?
	Like, in the institution, like, women as a group versus men as a group.
	Like, who, for example, I mean, again, this is.
	the argument is that rights are in rights are enforced by force and that men have a monopoly on force so if you can't actually enforce the rights then you actually are you talking about like on a minuscule level like police Or what are you talking about?
	No, just in general.
	Like, if you strip everything back, men have a monopoly on force.
	So.
	What is that?
	Can you give an example?
	You'd have to ask Andrew.
	I don't believe in a patriarchy, like in our entire culture, but what you just said sounds like you believe in a patriarchy.
	Like there's overarching men.
	So I do believe in patriarchy, yeah.
	Oh, you do?
	So, okay, sorry.
	Again, this is not an argument I make, but he's kind of echoing something that I've heard Andrew Wilson say.
	It's basically, if all the men decided to stop enforcing women's rights, would there be women's rights anymore?
	You rely on men, because for example, if somebody breaks a law, who do you rely on to enforce that law?
	Men, typically.
	Men with guns.
	Like the police force, right?
	Well, those fields are definitely predominantly male-run, but that doesn't necessarily mean there aren't any women in it.
	Okay, let me ask you a question.
	And I don't think that our rights are given to us by men.
	And again, I'm not saying we should get rid of women's rights, but simply as a thought experiment, if all men just banded together in the supposed ultimate superform patriarchy and said, we're going to walk back women's rights and we just banded together as men collectively, would men be able to walk back all of women's rights?
	No, there's still women out there who would fight for their own rights.
	It's only the constitution Who's physically But okay Any It's just, we're human beings and we want to have a voice in our government.
	That's all the right to vote is.
	But do you realize that everybody?
	Bashful, Bashful Carmy donated $100.
	What do you think we should do with the draft?
	Completely get rid of it?
	Or should we enforce it for both men and women?
	The volunteer force the U.S. has had for the past 50 years has been way better.
	It should just be both men and women.
	You can't get rid of it.
	It's not politically tenable.
	It'll never happen.
	There's conceivable scenarios where a draft might be necessary.
	Thank you for the message.
	Almost everything, like, could, if there's a conflict, geez, fuck, I feel like I'm going to butcher this.
	If there's a border dispute between a country and it can't be resolved through diplomacy, how is that resolved?
	You ask me like my commanding officer position.
	Like, we deploy the National Guard.
	I don't know what you want.
	Like, the military.
	Okay.
	Which women can be in.
	Geez, I feel like I need to better understand Andrew's argument here, Jake.
	Do you think that men are stronger than women?
	Biologically, yes.
	Yes?
	Okay, so then if men collectively tomorrow said that we want to take away women's rights, do you think that they would be able to do that?
	I think there's more places than physical strength that can be used.
	You don't think that if men wanted to overpower women, they could?
	They could overpower them physically and not intellectually.
	So you think that women would intellectually sort of like defeat men.
	Wait, so you're saying like that you're implying like an actual like physical war were like going into housing?
	I'm talking about force before we have rates now.
	But before we had ducted sort of heating and air conditioning in apartments with all of this amazing plumbing that we've got, it was power that dictated how politics would go.
	And it still is to an extent today.
	But if tomorrow all of these amazing luxuries that we have was stripped away.
	Take away everything they've built to be like, oh, you don't get it.
	This is a thought experiment.
	You have to engage with it in a way that's good faith at the end of the day.
	I hate to be rude, but I'm just six hours having a lot of people.
	Madison can take your seat if you want to leave.
	I don't want to be rude, though.
	Like, I don't want to be that person.
	Yeah, you can leave.
	If I bow, would it make it better?
	Yeah.
	I mean... Are you looking at me?
	You want me to just keep going?
	Yeah, we're having a conversation.
	Okay, fair enough.
	Yeah, I was just saying, I think that you have to be good faith with the conversation when you engage with it because I'm asking you, do you think that men are leaving too?
	I thought it was just her and her that are leaving.
	Yeah, sorry.
	It's just, it's kind of late.
	Wait, before you leave, hold on, hold on, hold on.
	Sit down for just a sec.
	Let's get back to LA.
	Wait, few questions, few questions for you.
	You can leave if you want.
	Thank you, though.
	Thank you for being here.
	Thank you.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Hold up.
	Let's see here.
	Hold on.
	Madison, do you want to take one of the empty seats?
	Where is my notes here?
	Do you think you can be racist against white people?
	No.
	Do you think you can be sexist against men?
	Yeah, I guess.
	But you can't be racist against white people.
	No.
	Why?
	So I feel like right now, in terms of gender, we're in a really tricky spot when it comes to rights and how things are being handled politically.
	And I feel like I'm not fully equipped to talk about that more in detail.
	But in terms of race, in Western culture and the United States, white people have never been oppressed.
	And racism is backed by oppression.
	So you think that because there's history behind other racism?
	Do you realize history can start at any point?
	It hasn't.
	History can start at any point.
	Okay, but tomorrow, white people are not going to wake up and be oppressed.
	What is racism, though?
	Can you oppress?
	Like, black people are oppressed?
	Every minority, like, nation.
	Why are they oppressed?
	What rights do they not have?
	Or opportunities do black people not have?
	Systemic racism exists.
	Like, I don't want to sit here and define that.
	Like, you can do that and you're free to ask.
	I just asked.
	What is racism?
	Like, just the simple definition.
	Like, what do you think?
	An oppressed racial group.
	No, racism.
	Like, what?
	Like, how can you be racist towards somebody?
	Like, there's a million ways to do that.
	Like, that's a really vague thing to say.
	Like, I don't know.
	Like.
	What do you think about here?
	Here's another statement.
	Agree or disagree.
	There's no such thing as male privilege.
	I disagree.
	Men are and have been more oppressed than women.
	I disagree.
	Cool.
	Good talk.
	Good talk.
	Do you think that women have more privilege than men do?
	No.
	Really?
	Would you date a cop?
	If he's hot and has money.
	So you support, you don't think that all cops are bad?
	Like ACAB, is that what they say?
	All cops are bad?
	I She's really missing out.
	This is lively.
	Yeah.
	Oh, my God, bro.
	I don't know.
	Anyways, if you want, you can wait five minutes.
	Like I said, I'm going to wrap up.
	I promise I'll wrap up in five minutes.
	I promise, guys.
	Or if you want to wait.
	Here, okay.
	1135.
	Okay, okay.
	Wait, okay.
	So, wait, oh, the whole fucking Andrew Wilson thing.
	Okay.
	If you look at, for example, like what happened in Afghanistan, was it Afghanistan?
	We were in Afghanistan.
	Women were able to go to school and whatnot.
	Well, the Taliban, the men decided, despite women's desire to be more equal to their male counterparts in Afghanistan, despite their desires and their want for equal rights, the men, by force, I'm not saying it's right, just a thought experiment here.
	The men by force said, nah.
	That's why we have the right to bear arms.
	Okay.
	Well, I'm curious who owns more firearms in this country, men or women?
	Do you honestly think that women would stand a chance if it happened tomorrow?
	You can exit the feminist mindset for one second and you can be honest with the question and just say that women would be totally it's funny.
	Wait, before you answer, she says that, well, we shouldn't have equalized the draft because men and women are different because men are stronger, but you can't seem to concede on this.
	You can't seem to like use that, apply that same logic to this exact same scenario, which I think is interesting.
	You acknowledge that men are better suited to be soldiers and fighters and killers, but for some interesting reason, when it comes to this conversation about say there was a civil war between so far is we have the right to bear.
	No, I haven't seen it.
	But do you see the logical inconsistency?
	You've acknowledged that men and women are different.
	You say women shouldn't be subject to military conscription because men are better soldiers because they're physically stronger for XYZ reason.
	So if we're giving you a scenario where there's literally a military civil war between men and women.
	My answer was what?
	You said that the right to bear arms.
	I didn't go into detail.
	I said that are they stronger?
	And then you said, no, no, it's like intellectual.
	So you alluded to the fact that women could intellectually fight the war.
	No, well, you didn't talk about war at that point.
	And then I said, don't you think that women would be screwed?
	And you said, no, we've got the right to bear arms.
	talking about enforcement and i asked about like police what specific thing are you talking about and you just said oh well if if we wanted to overpower sleepy bear donated 100 dollars How do you pause and think about your answer?
	But when it comes out, it's still lacking logic.
	You know the internet is forever right.
	You might want to stop trusting those people that think for you.
	I don't know who that is.
	I think I made it very clear.
	I actually said that if we just strip back everything and then men collectively tomorrow decided that we want to take away women's rights forcefully.
	Yeah, that was the hypothetical that you were engaged in.
	Before all those things happened, I asked physically going into people's homes and starting a war and that's where we stopped.
	So we didn't really, I never really finished my take away the rods.
	Because now you guys are saying something that I didn't actually say.
	And I'm saying I completely agree.
	I already agreed that men are biologically stronger.
	That's why I didn't agree with the so why did you bring up the right to bear arms then?
	Tongue-in-cheek.
	It's literally the idea that we do have a way to defend ourselves.
	Will we have a good chance?
	I don't think so.
	Was it tongue-in-cheek or were you trying to make a logical argument with that?
	It's totally hypothetical.
	It's mostly tongue-in-cheek, but it is true.
	We do have the right to bear arms.
	We do have a level of defense, but is it enough to overpower, like suddenly every man turns on us?
	This is the most random hypothesis of the menu.
	You guys would be screwed.
	If that horrible event were to happen, women would be at the mercy of men.
	So that's why I'm saying feminism is men's fault.
	Okay, you guys allowed it.
	It was weak men who allowed it.
	Is it not?
	So you don't think you should vote?
	Guys, this is a high-end.
	No, if I could go back to 90.
	Don't clip.
	Early the century, that's totally fine.
	Because the man was voting for the household.
	And also, since women started voting, everything started going left.
	That's very true.
	Honestly, feminism is just to destroy the family in.
	You want to repeal the 19th is what you're saying.
	No, I think it's at this point it's too late to do that now.
	But if we could collectively start gradually walking back, but there's no way that's just not what happened now.
	I wouldn't.
	I wouldn't wrap in.
	I think we're too far getting rid of the right for women to vote.
	We could actually.
	I said I would rap.
	Women aren't very strong.
	But women are a lot more easily manipulated.
	Yeah, you're not very mad.
	And susceptible to manipulate in a good way instead of a bad way.
	I don't understand why we have this pessimistic view of women voting.
	What?
	Well, she's saying that after women had the right to vote, everything went downhill.
	Like, why don't we go to the right?
	But more women are pro-choice than pro-life because they're easily focused on changing that instead of getting rid of the right to vote.
	I'm not saying we should repeal the 19th.
	Yeah, but you're saying that if women didn't have the right to vote.
	But we shouldn't repeal the 19th.
	So let's put women on the front line.
	We're going to put women on the front line.
	But I also disagree with Brian, who thinks we should send women to war who's going to take care of the kids.
	Send them in to the meat grinders.
	I completely disagree.
	Why are you equality?
	If you believe men and women are different, why would you want egalitarian?
	If men suddenly overpowered all of us, I would have so many less concerns than my right to vote.
	And we're like, why were all the men overpowered?
	Here's the actual argument: the like totally not trolling argument for why we need to send women to the front lines via the draft.
	We got to tie route the enemy, send the women in first, and then the men can take care of them to nag the enemy.
	Just all right, last chat here.
	We have Andy and DJ White.
	I live in Sweden, and our draft age is between 16 to 70.
	It includes both women and men.
	Combat is reserved for 18 plus, but those not fighting have other tasks like taking care of the kids, et cetera, et cetera.
	Why can't U.S. drafting both women and men?
	I think you should worry about it.
	I'd have to look into Sweden, but you have other countries which are even more oppressive than, for example, the United States, where they actually have mandatory military service, for example, in Switzerland.
	And if you don't, there's actually really substantial penalties.
	And women don't have, actually, if you don't do it as a man, there's like you get taxed or something, there's fees.
	So all throughout the Western, in all countries, there's significant most countries.
	Somebody said, oh, well, in Israel, it's men and women.
	Okay, well, congrats.
	One out of what, 200 plus countries in the world, there's equal conscription.
	You can't even beat Hamas.
	I was going to say, how's that working out for them?
	I would still argue they're probably still prioritizing men to be in those frontline combat positions.
	So, anyways, appreciate it, man.
	Fuck, what was the trying to remember what the other thing was?
	Oh, yo, guys, we're having, we're having conversations.
	This is just thought experiments and hypotheticals.
	Jake here doesn't want to go to civil war with women.
	We're just having thought experiments on things, okay?
	No, no, no, unless just thought experiments.
	Love women, just want to protect debate.
	We're just having debate, devils advocating, fucking, you know, all that stuff.
	Okay.
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