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TRIGGERED Demonic Blood Witch E-Girl Puts A CURSE On The Podcast?! | Dating Talk #133

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Without further ado, we're going to have the guests introduce themselves.
So please tell us your name, age, location, so where you're from, and occupation.
Go ahead.
Okay, my name is Bree, and I'm 26 and from Simi Valley.
Okay, occupation?
I guess model.
Guest model?
Okay.
Like a guest, like the hand purse.
You model for guests.
Oh, okay, okay.
Yeah.
All right, cool.
Welcome.
What about you?
My name's Arsen.
I'm 24.
Is that your government name?
That's my government name.
Arsen.
No, is it?
Well, my government.
I don't know if I function.
Your government.
Okay.
What is your government?
I don't know.
I just how I govern my own life.
I feel like I don't really function in a lot of normal scenes of society.
So just that's my world.
But and for my occupation, I'm working on my own brand.
I make portable flamethrowers.
Okay.
And other items.
I make like tables and like cool rolling trays and stuff.
But was there any other question?
Nick, don't type that.
What?
Age again?
24.
Okay.
Spencer, why don't you grab that?
Go ahead.
My name is Meow.
I'm 27.
Can you chuck that to Spencer, please?
thing.
Hold on, Zona Declause.
Imagine getting a little bit more.
Go ahead, continue with your.
Imagine if it blew up.
My name is Meow like a cat, but I am a dog.
And I'm 27.
I'm from the USA, and I'm a Twitch live streamer.
Your name is Meow?
Yes.
What was the whole thing with the dog thing?
Meow like a cat, but I am a dog.
Okay.
Mm-hmm.
And you live your life as a cat?
As a dog.
Were you not following?
No, but.
Meow like a cat, but I am a dog.
Okay.
So you live your life as a dog?
Yes.
Okay.
Yes.
Can you show your teeth?
Okay.
And is that those lights?
Genetic.
To dog.
No, it's not genetic, but how do you, was it put in by a dentist?
So it's like a dog thing.
Like, I'm a dog girl, so they're like a part of the shtick, you know.
They help me, like, tear meat and stuff.
I understand.
Thank you, Bartlett.
Let's do that again.
Warp.
Cool.
We're in for a show tonight, guys.
All right, Kayla, what about you?
My name's Kayla, and I do OnlyFans right now, but I am in hair school because I want to be a hairstylist.
Age?
21.
21.
All right.
I'm Leslie.
I'm 20 years old from Angels Camp, California, and I'm a server, and I do OnlyFans on the side.
Okay.
What about you?
My name is Ariana.
I'm also from Angels Camp, California.
Right now I'm an exotic dancer, and I do OnlyFans.
Age?
20, sorry.
My name is Jules, and I'm from Pismo Beach, California.
21.
And my occupation is a server and OnlyFans.
Okay.
Yeah.
Pismo Beach, is that 805?
Mm-hmm.
Okay, all right.
We've got another 805.
Rare, we get another 805 person here.
What about you?
All right, hi, my name's Carmen.
I'm 24.
I'm from Minnesota, and I'm a Twitch streamer/slash dog handler.
So, and you're friends with Meow.
Do you handle Meow?
When we feel like it.
All right, good times.
What about you?
I am Skye.
I'm 22, and I'm from Los Angeles.
I do OnlyFans, and I model on the side for like fashion brands, and I'm looking to start my own clothing brand.
Okay.
Cool.
Hi, my name's Raven.
I am 22.
I'm from Anaheim, and I am former OnlyFans.
Now I am a student trying to get my degree in child development.
All right, welcome.
What about you?
26.
My name is Angelica, and I just kind of do random things.
Where are you from?
Oh, San Francisco.
SF, okay.
And random things.
I mean, Nick, if you can pull it up, we know that you do some, I don't know if you still do, used to do very interesting ASMR videos.
Are you still involved in the ASMR industry?
Yes, but I had to do another channel just because it's...
Oh, that's the new channel.
Yeah.
Okay.
Okay.
Scroll down a little bit, Nick.
Scroll down.
So you scroll down a little bit.
Stay there way away.
Stop it.
Ironically.
So you do 1980s Soviet girlfriend kidnaps ASMR.
Yes.
That's interesting.
Okay.
British phrenology ASMR.
World War II physical entrance medical exam with a southern accent ASMR.
This is very niche, extremely niche.
Can you pull up the other one next?
She's got more.
It was never meant to get popular.
It's just something I like doing behind closed doors.
Look at this one.
Wait, 5.2 million 1300s AD ASMR.
None takes care of you in bed.
You have the plague.
Wait, speaking of which, do I get a hat?
You actually have to wear that.
Okay.
We got the plague doctor thing.
Alright, can anyone else put this on their face before?
This is going to be a whatever exclusive.
Can we get a little plague doctor ASMR here?
Go ahead.
It's terminal.
You don't have any time left.
Pray to God that maybe you might make it to heaven.
Okay.
Good enough.
That was.
One's in the chat if anybody got some ASMR from that.
Somebody click that.
Okay.
Do you want to wear the whole thing the whole show?
Maybe not.
Yeah, perhaps not.
I kind of look like one of those Spanish.
Do you want to hold on to that, Madison?
There you go.
Enjoy.
Okay.
Cool, so she's got, but you don't do ASMR anymore.
No, I do.
Yeah, I like it.
It's like a project, but it's just like a side hobby, basically.
Okay, all right.
Well, there you go.
And guys, like I said, we do have Jake joining us.
We're going to shift the chairs once he comes.
He's going to be here in about hour, hour and a half or so.
So we're going to go around the table once more.
What is everybody's current relationship status?
So are you single, talking stage, situationship, friends with benefits, relationship married, polycule, sex cult?
If you're single, how long have you been single?
And what's the longest relationship you've ever been in?
And before I have you go, guys, we're in the midst of a rainstorm, a thunderstorm.
I don't know if you can tell.
It's kind of windy out there.
It's raining.
And I want to credit everybody here for being able to make it through the treacherous, flooded streets, the mean streets of Santa Barbara, to be here tonight.
So I thank you all for risking your lives, risking your lives to be here with me tonight.
Thank you guys.
Shout out to you guys.
So, oh, the reason I bring it up, it's possible there's a power outage.
If the stream cuts, we'll try to get it going again.
But it's, I mean, it's raining pretty bad.
So we'll see.
Anyways, go ahead with the relationship status stuff.
I guess I'm single, but I've been in like situationships, and my longest relationship is like five years.
Okay, longest relationship, five years.
You've had some situationships.
How long would you say you've been single?
Probably like a year.
I'm sorry.
A year.
Okay, one year?
All right.
I feel like I'm just too picky.
And I don't know.
I don't know if you had mentioned this in the pre-show.
Are you celibate?
One of you is celibate.
You're the celibate one.
Okay.
Cool.
Yeah, I want to say celibate, though.
There's this thing called like demisexual, where like you only have sex with people unless like you're like emotionally attached to them.
Okay.
Are you demisexual?
Yeah.
Okay.
Cool.
Cool.
How tall are you, by the way?
Four nine.
Okay, good to know.
Next, go ahead.
Okay.
Wait, it was.
Oh, can I tilt your strain your mic a little bit?
There you go.
So, yeah, what's your current relationship status?
If you're single, how long have you been single?
Longest relationship ever.
Go ahead.
Okay.
My relationship status is technically single, but I do identify as a femme.
And I'm so excited.
And then my longest relationship was four years ago, or four years ago.
It was four years long.
And that was about a year and a half ago.
But basically for the whole year and a half since I broke up with them, I haven't been basically like with anyone.
There was a couple little hookups, but honestly, I don't count that because I disassociated from it.
But.
Wait, so just clarificate.
So a couple hookups, but don't count them.
But those are like in the beginning of my femcelle era.
Now I'm like fully committed to it and fully like getting power from it.
Do you date women or no?
Only straight.
Okay, okay.
Wait, so you're a femcell?
Yes.
Can we clarify with that?
Yeah, so I mean when if you can define that, because do you mean like you're a female involuntarily celibate?
Because some people define femcell differently.
Yeah, so an incel is like somebody that's involuntarily celibate.
So it's the female version.
And basically I say that because I think men are beautiful.
They're attractive.
I love to be around them.
And I think they're talented and creative and just fun.
But as soon as you start to view them, I think in a romantic sense, they somehow manifest a dark energy within them.
And I'm just hella like bubbly and nice and kind and super loving.
I have like the biggest heart ever, which is a blessing and a curse.
And I think once they see that, they either get like intimidated or that dark energy is repelled by like love energy.
And so like I'm literally like man repellent.
Closer to the mic.
You're literally man what yes.
Why are you man repellent?
Oh just so many times like I've just been ghosted and just like I used to be obsessed with finding a man like literally she knows every time we'd go out we'd be like I have to find a man I have to find a grave babe.
I'd be like just obsessed with men and just like having too much energy like that like men are like scared of that.
They're just trying to you know and then dip you know so like seeing someone that like fully wants to be like obsessed with you and just be like a super powerful dudo like just men just usually don't want that.
I'm like generalizing but it just in my personal experience I've just experienced so much rejection that no now I think it's fun.
Now I think it's funny.
It used to like get me in my fucking in my feelings and stuff but not no more.
Like I don't know.
I just have felt so much happier.
My depression has completely yeeted from my body.
I've completely like rebranded my home self because my mentality has just gone so much better ever since I started going like this whole route.
When you say you deal with a lot of rejection, you get rejected a lot.
Are you talking about romantic rejection or sexual rejection?
Like both because they go hand in hand.
Like and especially like if you'd say to a man like I don't want to I don't want to do that the first time I see you maybe later on that's like an immediate dub you know and what's a dub?
Is that an L?
No, that's that's like you get dubbed like no I'm sorry guys I listen to Pearl Jam.
I'm too much of a boomer for you.
Wait, so it's a dub is a win.
No a dub is a L.
The dub is they ghost you.
Yeah.
Literally so many times.
Like if I'm talking to them at a party, I'll literally be talking to them all night.
They're like rising me up.
I think it's going so well.
And then as soon as I say anything like, oh, by the way, I'm not trying to do that tonight, but we can totally kick it as friends.
It's like they literally leave the conversation, start talking to another girl.
And it's like, so I just like, I was like, yeah.
And you're not trying to do that tonight, as in sexual intercourse.
Like, P and the V. Yeah.
Sexual intercourse.
Yeah.
Okay.
Good times.
Maybe you give them too much attention and energy.
I do, but I think that's such a good thing.
I like a lot.
I like that.
Yeah, but they have to earn it from you, though.
You just can't give it to them.
They have to.
I mean, a lot of men do.
A lot of men do, but they're typically the ones who run away.
I feel like having fun.
I don't think we're going to be able to do that.
I don't think we like that.
You definitely can't.
I don't like the child.
I can tell you.
We don't like the chase.
No, no, no.
I don't want the chase.
No chase.
Just up front.
Is it because you can't run that fast?
No.
It's like, I don't like to play games.
Are you not good at games?
Well, it's not really a game.
Like, the popular way to do this is to show an earnest interest, like, to show that he's genuinely interested in you.
Yeah, that's not chasing.
That's just saying, like, I really want you.
Yeah.
And this is how I'm going to prove it.
Yeah.
I just skip over the bullshit.
I'd rather just skip over the whole, does she like me?
And then she's thinking, does he like me?
And then there's this game playing.
No.
It shouldn't be a game either way, though.
Like, a girl shouldn't have to make you jump through hoops in order to prove that she likes you.
Like, she should just like you from the start.
I agree.
At the same time, it has to be mutually respectful, essentially.
I think men shouldn't assume that women like them just because they're nice.
Yeah, I don't know.
Wait, it's okay.
You're a femcell.
How long have you been celibate for?
Shoot.
I haven't been counting the months, but maybe like the last real six months has been really when I've been starting going ham with this whole identity.
Okay.
Well, but you said that's when you started going ham with his whole identity, which I mean makes me makes it sound like you have some degree of choice.
Yeah, I mean, if I were to meet somebody that changed my mind, then I don't mind.
But I literally, like, I'm not kidding when I'm saying every man is like repelled by me.
But like, it's involuntary, you know?
Every man is repelled by you.
We have a little thing popping off.
Yeah, we'll have Madison fix it.
Just stay there, Nick.
But you say you're at these parties and these guys come up to you.
And as soon as they find out that you're not down to have sex that night, they move on to another woman.
Now, but when it comes to being involuntarily celibate, if men are propositioning you and offering you sex and you're rejecting it, that would suggest to me that you're voluntarily celibate.
If men are offering you sex and you're turning them down.
Yeah, but those are just like random people.
If I'm like, like actually into somebody, that was just like a random conversation I had at a club.
But like, if I'm actually into somebody, I swear they're never into me too.
Like, the last person I just showed any interest towards, I don't know.
I think people are just really narcissistic and have really big ego.
So if you're not immediately trying to act like they're trying to like be all over them and like be like, I don't know, just feeding their ego and you actually want to talk about yourself or anything you're doing, it is like a complete turn off to them.
And they're just like, they're just used to girls being all over them, you know?
We have a chat here from whatever fan.
He says, femcell usually means a woman who can't get an LTR, not one who isn't sleeping around.
So, I mean, do you do OF?
I'm trying to.
I'm epically failing at it, but yeah.
You're epically failing at it.
I mean, are there not, because like.
I only have six subs.
Like, so.
Can you think of one guy right now who, if you texted him and you're like, hey, do you want to have sex?
I don't know.
I've completely removed the whole idea of men from my mind.
Like I don't pay like it's like I don't pay any attention to them except whenever you profit off of them for only fans.
No, I mean like I think you need to focus on yourself and build up why it is that you're confident and have value.
No, yeah, exactly.
If you're bombing on OnlyFans, maybe you could take it as a sign to like maybe move away from the platform because it's going to have long-term consequences too.
And if you want a proper respectful relationship, you're not going to find that at the clubs.
I don't look for relationships at all.
Like that's just if someone comes up to me, you know?
Sorry, go ahead.
But I'm not looking for a relationship.
Like literally, I don't think of men like at all anymore.
Like I'm only focused on like me and my girls.
Like that's where I find my social connection from.
Sometimes you have to be careful with what kind of girls you choose too.
Surround yourself with that.
That's true.
I got a good family though.
Like we're a real, like literally we're a cult.
So like so I don't know.
I just got a really good support system around me like that.
Okay.
Okay.
Well, I don't think you're a femcelle, but that's my definition.
It's like a style thing, but it's not like a literal incel.
It's not the same thing.
Yeah, you're not literally involuntarily.
Truth be told, I don't think women.
You've seen.
I don't think women can be involuntarily celibate.
Because they're also desirable, like biologically.
Yeah, pretty much.
So do you think men can be involuntarily?
Absolutely, yeah.
If they're biologically desired by other women and men?
Well, I mean, it comes down to your capacity to actually procure sex.
So, and obviously, let's exclude prostitution, for example.
There are men genuinely out there despite them making reasonable good faith efforts to get sex.
They just can't.
Whereas, I mean, it's, I mean, I can't think of a scenario where a woman, if she just strictly wanted casual sex, could not get it almost instantly, very quickly.
You need not do more as a woman than just download Tinder, download a dating app, make yourself available.
You probably won't even have to take all that much initiative.
You can probably get laid very easily.
That's true, but I think it's different value systems because it's like women can get any woman, I honestly think in any situation can get laid, but it's not something that women value.
Well, that's a different, that's a different question, though.
Do women want to have casual sex?
But when we're talking about a specific term, like someone who's involuntarily celibate, I mean, that has a very specific definition.
You are involuntarily celibate, so despite your efforts to procure sex, you're not able to get it.
I think it's rather short-sighted to specify that it's only a men issue because even in the intro, you specified if you're a girl, you can DM the podcast if you want to come on.
I feel as though men aren't given as many opportunities to be like social and to like meet a lot of people that are on similar wavelengths as they are.
You're just arguing my point.
So what I'm saying is, I think, but you're saying that only you think only men can be involuntarily celibate.
And I think women can also shut themselves away and be very much in their own head thinking, okay, everyone likes me.
I'm not the beauty standard.
For men, it's, oh, I don't have muscles and I'm not over six feet.
And for women, it's, okay, I don't have triple D's and I don't have a tiny waist.
Like, it can be, I feel like it can be very fair on either side.
Well, I mean, we've, sorry, go ahead.
Continue with your point.
I was going to say, I think that she is describing a lot of voluntary celibacy because that's how I operate too.
I'm voluntarily celibate in my life.
But we're talking about involuntarily celibate.
And I mean, you mentioned, like, for example, physical appearance.
I mean, we've had women on the show who, no offense to them, but just as a statement of fact, were, for example, morbidly obese.
And, you know, it occurs to me that their looks equivalent.
You put them in the male body with the same characteristics.
we have women, for example, right?
A woman could be, how do I, how do I want to best frame this?
Ugly as fuck.
Even really, really unattractive women can be sluts.
But a really unattractive, like morbidly obese man can't be a slut.
But who's to say that a morbidly obese woman could be a slut?
He can be a slut.
Yeah, girl.
I don't know.
Wait a minute.
Well, for example, we've had women on the show who, I mean, Nick, if you're able to pull it up, the girl who wore the pink.
She was, um, what?
Oh, you.
Oh, you have it?
One sec.
I mean, she's a little bit overweight, and she was saying how she could sleep with five men in a day.
Her male looks equivalent.
Like, to be able to sleep with five women in a day, that puts you in the realm of, like, a-list celebrity, musician, actor, professional athlete, or you're just exceptionally good-looking.
Or it puts you into a price bracket of how much you make, and you can pay for those services also.
Yeah, but I'm excluding prostitution from this conversation.
What about OnlyFans?
What do you mean?
Because it's not related at all.
Because plenty of men have favorite models that they like to fund their lives specifically, and for some OnlyFans models, they are willing to exchange more intimate interactions with users than others.
For some people, they're not.
So prostitution?
Yeah, I'm excluding that from the conversation.
Well, I wasn't sure if you identify OnlyFans as prostitution.
Well, that's what I'm saying.
Well, yeah, but no, you're saying, hold on.
But you're saying you're talking about having more intimate connections.
So I think what you were trying to arrive at is what if the women on OnlyFans offer up sexual services, aka sex, for money.
well because he's talking about physical sex not like like like just chances in general because Because from what I, maybe I'm misunderstanding your point then.
Well, that's the thing is that there was a story with Kurt Cobain where he ended up basically having intimacy with a woman who was mentally disabled, physically disabled, overweight, and smelled.
And the girl apparently had slept with a bunch of guys in the town, including some family members.
So it's like a woman inherently is always going to be used by men who are seeking that out.
But men, on the other hand, will never be used in that respect, at least not usually.
I wonder if it's connected to women being inherently seen as a biological sexual object, whereas men are more conquer shit-based, more protector, more warrior.
And I wonder if those biological expectations are.
Those are biological realities, yeah.
Like women are the receptacle and men are the ones who basically.
I mean, like, yeah, that's what I'm saying.
I'm not going to co-sign that statement.
Well, it makes sense then that there's more men that are finding involuntary celibacy to be their way of how they operate, if that is the case, if we live in a society to where men are not seen as sexual beings and women are.
Well, women aren't supposed to be seen as sexual beings.
We're supposed to have agency and womanhood and femininity, but unfortunately with the commercial society that we live in, it's like we've been reduced down to these sexual objects, whether it's like boobs and butts and all of that jazz.
There's no sense of respect or dignity associated with womanhood anymore because of, in my opinion, the things like the sexual revolution basically removing our agency from us.
But that's women's own doing.
Like, yeah, kind of women did that to themselves, like over the whole feminism thing.
Well, part of it doing it to ourselves is for money because it's an easy way to make money.
So that's why I mentioned money because I feel like money is always going to be a topic when talking about those interactions and as far as like people's ability to get sex.
Because I have listened to self-proclaimed incel men speak about how they've paid for sex before, but they don't count that as a real experience because of the way that they view it.
Yeah, that's what they say.
Yeah.
Well, I mean, because, I mean, What I think incel men want is they want sex that does not involve that's not transactional.
I would hope.
Now, I mean, we can certainly have a deeper conversation of, well, to some degree is romantic.
Everything transactional.
Is everything transactional, but that's on another level.
It's not organic, I guess, is what he's trying to say.
Yeah, like more so like organic sex.
Like you meet somebody, you click, and then you're like, oh, hey, let's go.
you know, hook up.
That's, I think, more so what he's talking about.
I wonder if that comes down to, you know, base levels of testosterone versus estrogen levels.
And I just wonder if it's not as like social as like a social contagion issue or if it's more like genuine, just like our biology, our biology kind of catching up to us a little bit in the social state that we're at, right?
No, I agree because you actually, like, like how you said that, like, men don't have a lot of, like, they have a lot of social experiences.
They can go out, they can go out and meet a woman.
I was literally just in Japan last week, and it was like the cutest thing.
I was, my feet were dying.
So I was sitting and like in this little corner.
And there were these two schoolgirls and this, like, they're high schoolers, right?
High school guy comes up, puts the arm, right, like by her head, goes like, hey, I saw you.
You were just really cute.
And, you know, you know, what you doing later, right?
And she was just giggling, like, oh my gosh, like, this is her, like, fairy tale moment.
And when he, like, gave him her number, when he left, she was like giggling with her friend, like, oh my gosh, that was so great.
And I'm like, like, things are so different in this culture.
And, like, men could just go up to women in other countries and be like, oh my gosh, I really like you.
You're really beautiful.
Like, I feel like men do that all the time.
They do, but they're often rejected.
They open up their phone and they hand you their Instagram with it open for you to type in your username.
That's what they do.
I feel like it's stupid.
Like, if somebody comes up to me on the street, I'm always hella friendly.
I don't give a fuck if it's a homeless man, like, or whatever, whoever it is.
Like, I'm going to always meet them with positive energy.
Like, I think calling, getting upset by that is literally so dumb.
Look, here's the reality, right?
Okay.
Most women can sleep with most men.
Most men cannot sleep with most women.
A woman can, I mean, she would have to, I would even argue if she was seriously disabled or disfigured, she could still procure sex rather easily.
So, I mean, well, also, I'm delusional and very, like, men trigger manic episodes in me.
Okay.
So, like, I almost turn into a crazy person if they try to talk to me.
But, so that's usually what repels them.
I mean, but here's the thing.
If you were to download Tinder, just swipe, swipe on even the dudes that you just think are physically attractive.
Or if you even were to go out to a nightclub or a bar or a party and you just, you say men approach you.
I tried Tinder.
I tried Hinge.
Literally, I get, like, zero matches, and then if I try to meet up with them, like...
Stop the cap!
Bro, I'm not ca- I don't believe it.
Literally, I complain about this all the time.
Do you not hear me complain about that stuff all the time?
We do complain about that stuff all the time.
So let me ask you a question.
First off, how do you categorize your look?
Like, are you a scene girl?
Are you any girl?
What's your, how do you define your aesthetic?
Like, Lolita, Harajuku, Scene Core, Sereo Core, like, anything that ends with core, cottage core.
I mean, are you seeking out men that fall into like a very niche?
Oh, for sure.
Like, basically, I don't know, for some reason, an energy attraction, like, I only attract clinically insane men.
So that might be why it still doesn't work.
And they don't want to fuck.
The insane dudes don't even want to fuck.
Is what you're saying?
They don't want to fuck.
Girls on them.
The insane dudes have too many people.
Yes.
Lady friends.
Like SoundCloud rappers.
That's your type of SoundCloud rappers.
Into like the hip-hop rap scene as much, but definitely like, I don't know if you know what hyperpop is or like dancecore and like those specifics.
I know 90s grunge music.
That's the extent of my Pearl Jam, Stone Temple Pilots.
Yeah.
That's it.
Maybe some like early, late 90s pop punk, Blink 182.
It's just like music that moves so fast it's almost like epilepsy inducing.
Sounds like a okay.
Yeah.
Cool.
In any case, I'm pretty sure if you hopped on a dating app and I'm pretty confident you'd, you know what?
We should do this as an experiment.
Let's actually grant her access to her phone.
Do you have Tinder on your phone?
So you're going to be, um, maybe.
I have Hinge.
I've seen Hinge on your phone.
It's sad.
It's sad.
Is yours a hell of a phone?
We'll give you, while we're having everyone else do their relationship status, we're giving you 10 minutes to access.
Do you have Tinder?
I'm going to show you all these dumb conversations.
Yeah, that's okay.
You don't have to show them, but, but I want you to get on hinge and I want you to, yes.
Oh, wait, but I think you have limited likes.
Yes.
I haven't been on dating apps in a while.
Well, the likes come to you, right?
Okay.
All your matches be like, what are you doing tonight?
No, because literally, look, I always get no reply.
I stay in West LA area, no reply ever again.
Like, I said, you're not a horse, and then he never responded to me.
Wait, can I see your photos?
Let me see.
I'm gonna get our man tonight.
I'm gonna get our man tonight.
Okay, let's see.
Hold on.
Brian's living vicariously.
I mean, you have 50 plus matches in the queue, I think.
Right?
Yeah, you can get a different match.
Yeah, I get matches, but as soon as I DM them, they never respond.
I've literally only met up with like two people on there in the year and a half.
Okay, and it was just like a horrible experience.
Do you DM him first?
Yes, I always DM them first.
Well, you have to let them DM you first.
Yes.
Okay, yes.
Drinks, smokes, sometimes, weeds, sometimes, drugs, sometimes.
Wait, atheists.
What's your bio?
Atheist, liberal, long-term relationship, open to short.
You are wholesome and have a big heart.
That's one of your prompts.
Together we could do arts and crafts and talk about our favorite things.
And then you're also taking a picture in a graveyard.
bro you could definitely get some like where do you live LA?
Yeah.
Bro, there's all kinds of like pretentious art people there.
You're good.
You're good.
I got you.
Women like you.
I got you.
I'm going to get you a man tonight.
I'm going to get you.
You claim to be involuntary.
Celibate.
We must correct this.
We're going to change it.
I got you.
Okay.
We're going to get you.
Okay, okay.
If it's somebody I like, bro, I'd be down, honestly.
You just have to let me know.
You have to have a target, though.
Bro, I'm in truth.
I'm not introducing Ryan.
But I just, you shouldn't be the one trying, I think.
It's like you have to be the one where it's like they see the beauty inside of you, and then you end up reciprocating.
But that doesn't exist.
But it doesn't exist.
It's so beautiful what she just said.
I don't know.
I have things don't look for me.
I've seen only demons.
I don't know.
But until that point, it's like, yeah, it's like, you're only going to attract the same person.
I want to ask the chat.
Chat.
Do you think she's actually a femme cell?
Do you think she can act?
She's actually a femme cell, guys.
I am.
I am.
You know what?
Why don't we, we should also do another experiment.
We'll have you come back in a month.
We'll do like just, I don't even think it's your physical appearance that's like in terms of your aesthetic, your look.
Because I mean, guys are guys like the kind of, you know, I like that.
I would say with the Lolita stuff and the little girl stuff, I would say like...
Let's not go there.
Well, it's like, I think it just gives off the message of like, I'm still kind of processing memories.
I think that you're a very beautiful girl.
I think that when you kind of have this more elegant, sort of adult sort of look to you, then you're going to attract men who are actually going to take care of you and actually like.
But that's the thing they bore me.
Like, if I can't have a conversation where I'm talking about like the universe energies and like all sorts of crazy deep stuff, you know, like if you can't connect if you can't conversate with me like that, then it's literally like, I don't know.
I feel like I'm getting judged at that.
Well, not even a lot of people.
You want to talk about aliens?
Necessarily.
Not aliens.
I'm trying to talk about like evolution.
What are you trying to talk about?
The beauty of how we're all here.
Like, dude, we're made up of like a billion cells and like just born in these beautiful bodies.
And like nobody realizes how vast and how rare and how great it is.
Everybody's like trying to be depressed and on their email stuff, you know?
Like, I don't know.
You know what we're going to do?
Madison back here, she offers, she's, we're going to transform you just for a month just to see if we can get you out of your involuntary self, involuntary celibacy.
Just a month, a week.
I doubt it.
It's on its way into the world.
We're going to turn you into like a trap wife for like a week.
Hold on, hold on just a sec.
Hold on.
Sorry, I am late.
Lots to do tonight.
I have to ask.
What mind/slash mood-altering substances are the young ladies on this panel using or have we so many users?
Is everybody sober here?
I hope.
Yeah, I smoked weed.
Kayla.
You smoked some weed?
Okay.
Anybody, what about you guys?
Did you guys?
Are we allowed to say?
What did you?
I mean, I'm a horse, so.
A horse?
Yes.
I'd be gay.
I don't get it.
Wait, everyone, girl.
You're on horse tranquilizer.
Currently.
Well, we did it last night, but still.
So I've been hopping practicing sobriety lately, and I think it's been great.
Are you getting a contact high?
Yeah, good.
I'm sorry.
Are you getting a contact high?
A what?
Contact high.
What?
Contact high.
Hello?
Bro, I could not understand what you were saying.
She smoked some weed.
Bro, I said she smoked weed.
She's doing horse tranquilizer.
How's that sober?
What is going on here?
Where am I?
It's good for you.
They have clinics for it.
For animals?
No, no, they have veterinary goods where they help.
There's a big old Netflix show about how this girl got something and she did a ketamine.
No, like a trainer ketamine.
Yeah, something I forgot what it was called.
Yeah, it helps her with her treatments and stuff.
There are some drugs.
Come on, bro.
What the?
What the?
Okay, there are some drugs that do have very good.
Okay, so I used to study psychology.
Cool.
Drugs are bad.
I don't think we're going to talk about drugs.
Oh, I'm sorry.
All right, here.
Well, if we want, we can come back to the fencing.
Let's continue on.
Current relationship status, longest relationship.
And if you're single, how long have you been single?
I'm currently single, and my longest relationship is five years.
And I'm currently voluntarily celibate.
And I think it's going great.
I really enjoy the quality of friendships and relationships I'm able to procure while not having sex or anything sexual on the table.
A big part of my entire lifestyle is play.
And for me, playing is very much in the nature of fun.
It is in the nature of throw me a ball, I want to fetch it.
Some people can't do that without getting a hard-on, which is really freaking bizarre.
But it's been a really lovely thing to be able to be in those situations where men interact with me, they admit, hey, I want something with you.
And whenever I say no, they say, oh, that's okay.
Because in my experience, men typically aren't able to separate those emotions if they've already ramped it up.
So if somebody's been fantasizing about you for a month and they finally, you know, tell you about it and you're like, I don't see you that way.
A lot of times they can't still be your friend.
And I don't think that's a wrong thing.
I don't think it's, you know, screw men for not wanting to be my friend.
It's like, okay, you're just not my cup of tea.
You're not my cut of iron, you know?
Wait, so hold on.
With the whole, you invite men to engage in your you want to role play as a dog, but you object to them.
I don't invite anyone into anything.
So what I said is I enjoy a lifestyle of play where I can be casually like playful with my friends.
To me, you know, if you want, if you bite me on the arm, I'm not going to take that sexually.
Some people come from getting bitten on the arm.
Do you understand?
Like, I separate sex from a lot of, I feel like what could be misconstrued as sexually natured things.
But recognizing that and recognizing how that can unintentionally lead men and women on because I am bisexual, I've recognized that pattern in myself and I've been celibate for going on a year now and it's been really incredible.
Okay.
There you have it.
Voluntary celibacy for one year.
Okay.
What about you, Caleb?
I'm in a relationship.
It's been been together for almost three years.
All right.
Nice.
Congratulations.
Three years.
All right.
And is this your longest relationship?
Yeah.
Yes.
Is it a man?
Yes.
Okay.
What about you?
I am.
I don't know if I'd say I'm single.
I'm kind of in a little bit of a situationship, Do.
I don't really know.
Couldn't tell you, to be honest.
You probably could tell us.
Probably, I think.
I don't know.
It's complicated.
So, okay, it's complicated/slash situationship.
Are you only seeing one person or are there multiple people in the picture?
Just one, as like that talking stage or situationship.
What?
Are you guys monogamous?
Um, yeah.
Okay.
How long have you been seeing him?
Probably like over a year, but we like, I don't know.
You're in an over a year situation.
have you got at any point have you guys been uh like boyfriend girlfriend No, but there's like been multiple points in time where like we stop talking.
So it's like if we're already having these issues where we stop talking or like what's the rush of making a relationship if you're already having issues, you know?
Okay.
But so you've been seeing him for about a year?
Yeah.
Okay.
Is that your longest relationship?
No.
Okay.
Is he seeing other women?
I'm not sure.
i don't really care enough to check but you've only been seeing so for the year you've been seeing him you've only been involved with him No.
Or have there been other guys?
I've hung out with other guys.
Like I've seen other guys, but I'm not sleeping with other guys.
And do you want it to become a relationship with yeah, eventually, but it's just so much harder than that.
Is it long distance?
He lives about two hours away from where I'm at.
Where do you live again?
Angels Camp, California.
Okay.
So one year.
Okay.
I mean, has he made any overtures that he's desirous of a long-term relationship with you?
Yes, we're having problems because of it right now.
Oh, he wants and you don't.
He does.
Well, it's just so much harder for me.
I just, like, before I, like, got with him, there was a, um, I was in a relationship for five years.
Very toxic, very abusive, manipulative.
So it's kind of hard to.
What did you do to abuse your ex?
Oh, no, Oh, it was the other guy.
It was the other guy.
Okay, all right.
Yeah, but so it's kind of hard for me to be like, oh, yeah, I trust you.
Oh, no.
Like, I definitely doubled back a couple times.
Like, I'm going to get my lick back.
Like, you done did me dirty.
You done did me dirty too many times.
He did you dirty?
Yeah.
What did he do?
I don't even want to get into the extent of it.
Did you slash his tires?
No.
He didn't have a car to slash tires.
Did you burn down his parents' house where he lived?
He didn't have a parent's house where he lived.
Wow, that's a good one.
He lived with me, actually.
He actually lived with all of them.
I don't know what I was going to say.
I don't like him, but he did.
Okay.
Did you rip up his clothes?
I did burn a couple of them.
You burned some of his clothes.
Death burnt one of them.
Doing arson over here should.
Have you ever been charged with arson?
My ex did light a Bible on file in front of a church.
The Bible?
Yeah.
It was part of my movie.
But he did get in trouble with the cough before, but not myself.
Okay.
So what else did you do?
It was just very, like I said, abusive, very physically abusive.
So it's kind of hard for me to want to give myself to another man like that, regardless of how long I've known you or anything like that.
Have you gotten therapy for that?
I have not.
I dug it out.
I definitely recommend therapy.
If you want to move on and have a good time.
No, I have moved on.
I definitely have.
Yeah, but you can't trust people.
So you haven't moved on.
Well, can you really trust anyone, though?
Yes.
You have that for science.
I feel like I cannot trust anyone.
You should be able to.
If you've never been able to trust anyone, I need therapy.
Everyone in my life.
Do you trust your boyfriend of three years?
Yes.
I see she trusts them.
Okay, but I feel like you have to always have that little bit of cautiousness where you're like, oh, but this could happen at any point in time.
Like, what if?
Like, there's always that what if.
I think maybe it's because you don't know what signs were in him that you missed the first time around.
So now it's like you don't know what to look for.
So you're kind of like.
I do now.
After five years, I definitely know what to look for now.
But for a while, yeah, no, I definitely did not.
I think we're in a building phase just to get a little bit of a drink.
Definitely a healing thing.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I've told myself that like a million times.
Like, oh, I know the signs.
And then it like keeps.
I know the signs because I've literally like come across like the same men in different bodies and be like, yeah, no, I've already seen this.
Like I'm not dealing with it.
I think you could seven sectillion, 700 and 77 sextillion, 700 and 77 quintillion, 700 and 77 quadrillion, 777 trillion, 777 billion, 700.
And then twitch.tv slash whatever John followed.
$7,777.
Oh, thank you very much.
My friend goes like this.
These are the real children.
It comes back like this.
Period.
That's good.
Thank you, Judge.
I appreciate it.
That was pretty valid.
Honestly, that was worth it for $200.
That was good.
Okay, so it's currently complicated.
Currently, a situation shit.
Yeah.
I'd say maybe what you need is just like a healthy ideal so that way anything that falls short of it, you kind of know there's something wrong here and I can spot it from a mile away.
Yeah.
It's definitely, it's just like one of those situations where it's like, I know he's a good guy.
Like I've known him for this long.
Like I see that he's very much different, but it's like still something in me.
It's just like, mm.
Everyone has good and bad in them.
it's just kind of like you can see the good but also it's like it's like the intentions What exactly there are?
Yeah.
How does he treat his life?
His mom actually is not part of his life.
I mean, I guess that could play a big factor.
Yeah.
The way they treat their mom is like a very good way to tell like how they'll treat you.
I mean, I guess she's not really innocent, though, and the part that he plays towards her.
Can I ask, do you have like, like, are your parents together?
Do you have a role model for a healthy relationship?
My parents are not together.
They have not been together since I was probably like six, seven years old.
So, and they were constantly fighting.
So, I definitely never really had that picture-perfect family growing up to like go off of like my perspective of love and like how everything we all know that song Love the Way You Lie by Eminem.
Yeah, that's 100% my perspective of love.
Like, that's what I grew up around, so it's kind of what I'm used to.
What I feel like I deserve, if that makes sense.
Like, love isn't supposed to be a feeling, hence, the whole like you know, you always kind of want something that's interesting or spicy.
It's like in that case, it's like you're more addicted to the chaos than you are to the actual definition of love, which is supposed to be upbuilding and good for you, where you grow as a person.
Definitely, and that's kind of what you have to be ready for when you're in a relationship.
Your relationship status, go ahead.
Um, I currently have a boyfriend, we've known each other for five or six years, but we've officially been dating for like a couple months.
Okay, a couple months, what do you think?
Like six months, like two, three, two months.
Like, literally, a couple.
You've known, so was he in the friend zone?
No, you were proper friends.
Um, he was just older at the time when he met me.
I was like 17, he was like 22, 23.
Um, and I just lost contact.
Oh, my God.
Okay.
Anyway, so we lost contact for a while.
I mean, technically, if he was older, he didn't become less older.
Like, you guys, you guys both aged at the exact same time.
Yeah.
Wait, what did I say?
What did I say?
Well, you said he was older.
Well, he was older than me at the time, is what I was saying.
He's just as old.
He was 80.
Well, okay, I was 17 and like he was 18.
So, like, respectfully, he turned me down.
Like, he actually came up to me.
We were working out at the gym and he came up to me and I told him that I was 17.
And he said, never mind.
Yep.
Good.
It's a little respectable.
Yeah.
I think that is respectful.
Yeah.
There's no harm in asking.
By shaming men, asking in general as if they're supposed to know that somebody is of a certain age.
I feel like that's setting them up for failure.
Like allow them to be like, oh, okay, word and walk away.
Definitely better.
No, I love that.
That's not what I'm arguing, though.
Well, it's more the fact that he's still pursued.
That, like, if it turned out that the girl was 17 and like you don't like, oh, I'm going to wait until she's 18.
No, it's like, eh, that, no, not pursuing that at all.
I don't know.
It's just.
I feel that.
There's a little bit.
I think there's a little bit of impropriety.
Yeah.
If there's a, anyways.
I mean, I get what you're saying because there's a huge difference between the situation with him because I was 17 at the time and he told me never mind.
Like a few years later, we reconnected on Facebook and one thing left after the other and now we're together.
But that's completely different than my sugar daddy who's 80.
Dang.
And he's been a family friend since I was like 10.
So that's a difference.
That's a difference.
I'm going to send him the asteroid on that one.
Hurrah.
We have another person who's a daddy.
He's like an issue.
You have a sugar daddy?
Yeah, he's an issue.
Do you have multiple sugar daddies?
I only have one right now, but I use one.
80-year-old.
Yeah.
He's 80.
Okay.
How does that look like?
Did you meet up?
Well, he's like old and wrinkly.
Oh, you meant like that.
No, some people do like dinners and shit.
Do you do that?
So far, okay, don't make fun of me because he doesn't really know how to use like Cash App or like PayPal or anything.
He sends me money in the mail.
You are so likely to get that stolen.
I just want to say that.
Those 80s.
He's only done it.
He's only done it like a cash and like pre-roll joint.
Does he pay you a lot?
He pays me.
I don't really like to talk about numbers, period.
I just don't.
But yeah, he's paid me like a good amount for me to survive.
He mails you cash.
That's crazy.
Can I ask whenever the interaction, like your sugaring started?
How old you were?
Oh, the sugaring, like in general?
Yeah, when did this dynamic between you and your family friend?
Oh, this was like a month ago.
Like, it just started.
Okay.
But, like, I've had another sugar daddy.
I had one like a year ago for about a year.
And so, what does he get in return?
Just like conversation?
Do you send him a chance?
Conversation and a lot of stalling.
Stalling.
Okay.
Yeah.
Do you feel like it might impact like the way you perceive men?
No.
100% no.
How did that start?
Curious.
Like, like your relationship with him.
With him?
Yeah.
Oh, no, he was just a family friend.
Like, I never hung out with him one-on-one, spoke to him, whatever.
Like, he's just like a family friend to my parents.
But did he contact you?
Yeah.
Did your parents contact him?
How did we?
How did it change this?
How did it change?
Yeah, how did a friend go from family friend to sugar daddy?
See, I don't want to like out him because I don't want anybody that I know to find him.
Because it was on social media.
Well, you got an 80-year-old sugar daddy.
Did you post booty pics?
What about you?
Did you post booty pics?
No.
Awesome.
Okay.
Relationship status.
What about you?
Well, I'm single.
Congrats.
Yeah, thank you so much.
Oh, gosh.
My longest relationship was probably about a year.
And then I was single for two years.
And then I gave this guy a chance.
It just fucked me over.
And now I'm single.
Yeah.
This is recent.
Yeah, now I'm single and I'm on my celibate journey now too.
Like I'm anti-men for a long time.
No, like single.
Wait, who else?
You're anti-men?
Okay, no.
Romantically or romantically, yeah.
Also, just in general, too.
No in general, like I'll hang out.
Do you date women?
No.
Okay.
Is anybody else here anti-men?
I mean, you, we know you.
Anti-men.
Romantically?
I hate men all the time.
No.
She hates men sometimes.
I hate men all the time.
I'll be honest, I'm kind of a misogynist.
Like, I don't really like girls.
I don't like women.
I just don't girls.
Like when I say that being very bisexual, like women piss me the fuck off, like all the time.
Women piss me off.
Romantically, women are extremely difficult.
I wouldn't be afraid of that.
I feel like two women.
Guys, guys, guys, one at a time, please, and please just speak into the mic.
Go ahead.
I feel like two women at the same time, like, how does a relationship like that work?
Like, you guys piss each other off.
Like, I'm the type of person, like, it's going to get domestic in here.
Yeah, it might take off on you.
Yeah.
How does that work?
How does that work?
How do you manage that?
Formerly, how does that work in your periods of your life?
Former lesbian.
I'm a Christian.
I saw Christ.
I saw Christ.
Like, not even to be cringe, but like, that was literally like.
It literally is that way.
Like.
Do you have a dream?
Do you like see him?
No.
Like, it was literally like, it was like, it was, like, a lot.
Like, it was a lot of, yeah.
Like, can you explain more?
Like, I'm curious.
Like, how I kind of came to that.
Like, and then you became Christian?
So Christ made you change your mind on that.
Yeah.
It wasn't like a visual, like, physical experience of, like, seeing him with your eyes.
It was more like I prayed constantly for years on if, God, if this is what you, if you're okay with this, then tell me.
Yeah.
And if not, then I will literally change my ways.
But I need you to tell me because every relationship I was getting into just got me into deeper and deeper trouble.
Oh, okay.
So she kept getting signs.
Yeah, I kept getting signs, and then those signs, you know, led me to be like, yeah, no, you shouldn't.
Don't keep doing this.
Well, good on you for having faith in that.
Thank you.
But yeah, lesbian relationships are extremely toxic.
I still have a lot of friends who are lesbian and it's like constant In the hospital, you just got beat up, like broke a bottle over your head, you're in the club, you get into a bar fight.
Like, it's like, oh my gosh.
So, my grandma, right?
She's 60.
She has a friend who's like a long-term, long-term lesbian, 60 years old as well, like around there.
She, her and her spouse are, like, constantly, like, you're generalizing.
Because, like, that's literally just my experience.
I'm taking that and I'm putting it into my mom and her girlfriend's relationship, and it's 100% the same.
It is constant bickering.
It is constant violence.
That can be like that with any relationship.
No, 100%.
Lesbian relationships have a 47 to 49% rate of domestic violence and sexual violence as well.
It's also statistic.
Half of all marriages end.
Well, that's only a moment.
Half of all marriages end up lesbian.
Half of all marriages must end.
If you factor in the fact that they got married outside of the church, meaning that they don't have that long-term traditional marriage vows, meaning that they got married for some second or third reason, as in like for tax reasons or for some reason that isn't basically the same thing.
Well, I'm just saying like, I feel like it might be not necessarily one breaks up more than the other.
Statistically, yes.
Statistically.
Well, it's because it's two women.
Well, it's like two women aren't.
That's who does a poll.
Like, probably people that like are in a, I don't know.
You know what I'm saying?
That's a specific group of people.
But it's like, typically, if you examine women who identify as lesbians, they usually have issues with their parents, particularly their fathers.
So what they're looking for in another woman is basically the stability that they can't really seem to find in men.
So they try to seek that stability out in another woman, feeling like they're more safe there.
But in reality, if you get two women who are both unstable, who are emotionally volatile, who are looking for a sense of peace from another woman who doesn't even know it, typically.
Well, why are they going to be unstable?
Like, can't you be lesbian and stable?
No, no, no.
Yeah, that's not usually the case.
I don't know.
I feel like you definitely can.
I feel like there's some lesbians who are just chill, but inside they kind of keep all of that like turbulence shut down.
And those typically tend to be the victims in lesbian relationships.
And it's like two girls, like two very emotional people.
Like that just causes for a lot of chaos.
Exactly.
Yeah.
And that's just been my experience.
And like, I feel like men are 10 times more chaotic.
For the long-term lesbians, too.
For the long-term lesbians, like the one I was just saying, my grandma's friend, she told us, she said, look, like, these are my dating options.
Like, I cannot leave my partner because she's trapped.
Yeah, she's like, I'm literally trapped.
Like, once I get too deep into it, like, she can't.
Oh, thanks, McLeod.
Why is it that if a woman sleeps with a bunch of men, she's a sloat?
But if a man does the same thing, then he's gay.
Good question.
Good job casting the most mentally unstable panel ever.
You've outdone yourself.
Wow.
Thank you.
Wow, okay.
He's asking why he can't sleep with a bunch of men, otherwise he's called gay.
No, calling a woman.
Sleeping with a bunch of women.
I feel like when a man sleeps with a bunch of women, like repeatedly, they're overcompensating for something.
They're like not getting what they're looking for in all these women.
Did you just get the no, no, was it a joke?
I didn't know that.
Okay, here.
Why is it when women sleep with a bunch of men, they're sluts, but when a man does the same thing, he's gay all the time.
I thought I was sleeping with a bunch of women.
The robot voice did not portray that at all.
All right, continuing on with the continuing on with relationship status.
So you said you're single and you're celibate, correct?
Okay.
So wait, is it you two who are celibate and then you two?
I would say demisexual.
Demisexual.
Yeah, she's demisexual.
Demisexual to celibates also.
I just basically don't have sex with someone unless I'm dating them.
I can't look like, not to like denigrate your decisions, obviously, because when I was younger, I also identified as demisexual.
You want you can denigrate.
But the only reason demisexual became a term is just because we live in such a hypersexual reality that now everyone expects you to clarify, yeah, I'm not gonna have sex with you until at minimum I have some bond with you, which is like the bare minimum.
Yeah, I feel like I don't like sex so much because it gives them that credence.
Yeah, everybody, a bunch of how long have you been celibate for?
Well, I wouldn't say syllabus.
Sorry, we're going back to demisexual.
And the last time I saw my ex would be about two weeks ago, and you could imagine what we did per period.
But then, me too.
Could I imagine?
I don't.
Me too.
But then, let me add this.
You're talking about this?
We've all been there then, though.
Two weeks ago.
Wait, wait, go ahead.
Yeah, okay.
So we had sexual in a course.
Thank you.
The following week, he brings a girl, a new girl, into where we both work three days in a row.
Yeah, dude.
I'm just were you guys broken up?
We had been broken up, yes, for like about two months, and he just kept going back and forth with me, telling me that we would get back together.
And then, like, I'm just being this girl in love.
No.
I'm going to wait for him.
No, dude, I'm so over that bullshit.
Good.
I'm not playing these games anymore.
He's probably two months ago.
He's over me.
So he needs that attention about.
So he does care.
He does like you.
He does care about you, but he likes the attention you're giving him.
He can't give that affection back.
Exactly.
And he has to have more, like, not just from you.
Like, it interests him to have more.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I'm just saying you should have never let him play in your face like that from the beginning.
Hey, nah.
Some of us aren't that smart, okay?
It takes us a minute.
Peter's favorite.
I'll be letting these people literally sweating bullets.
I thought we turned it off.
Didn't know that.
The heater's still on.
Can we turn it off?
I thought it was turned off.
Holy shit.
Oh, she likes it.
Nah, well.
It's probably too windy.
What about you, your relationship status?
Go ahead.
I'm currently with my longest lover of four years.
Boyfriend, girlfriend?
How boyfriend?
How long distance?
Four years.
He's in Canada.
Oh.
Well, you live in Canada too, right?
No.
I live in Texas.
Oh, okay.
Long distance?
Wow.
How did you stay a long distance?
Are you long distance?
I'm really waiting relationship or yeah.
Wow.
Wait till have you guys seen each other?
Yeah.
Oh, okay.
What about you?
Me, I'm single-ish.
Single-ish?
So you're dating like seven dudes?
I'm single, but is it complicated?
I still talk to my ex.
And are you seeing other guys?
No, I cannot.
What do you mean, cannot?
I emotionally.
Yeah, I just don't have interest in it.
It's just like I'll go on hinge or bumble and like swipe on dudes and I'll talk to them and they'll say something and then I'll just like get annoyed.
I'm just like, I can't tell you.
How long were you seeing your ex, who it's currently complicated with?
We were friends for a year before we started dating.
But we broke up how long ago, Brie?
I don't know.
It's been off and on a long time.
Yeah, it's been off and on.
It's been a lot, so I don't know.
Like a month ago, maybe.
You broke up a month ago, but you continue to have sex with him?
Yes.
Why gain a new body?
Like, why waste it?
It's not really a breakup if you're continuing.
It's hard to do.
Well, I mean, but we're not together and we have established that that we're not boyfriend or girlfriend.
But he's still taking advantage of that.
You're still having an interior relationship.
It's like he's using your feelings against you and that's what you're doing.
What if she's using him for his body?
What if maybe he's meant for sex?
All the time.
We don't have sex every time we hang out.
We don't have sex every time we hang out.
You women, all you think about is sex, okay?
You guys, sometimes a guy just wants to cuddle, okay?
I just want to talk.
I have not come across any of those things.
I just want to talk, you know.
Anytime a guy starts cuddling with me, he starts getting a little touchy and you just know what he wants out of me.
And then it starts poking.
Yeah.
My boyfriend likes to just cuddle.
And then he's like, I want to just cuddle right now.
Where did you find that on Amazon?
We're all in LA.
So, okay, right now it's kind of complicated with your guy.
What about you?
I just got into a relationship after like a really long time of being single.
All right.
Congrats.
How long have you guys been dating?
Well, we met like three months ago, but then he was gone for a month and then I was gone for a month.
And then now we're like kind of like officially dating.
One month?
Yeah.
Okay.
How long were you single before him?
Ooh, like six years?
Six years?
Yeah.
Okay.
And is this your longest relationship?
Definitely.
A month?
No.
I mean, you were single for six years, so.
Oh, I was dating a guy from 13 to 16.
So three?
13.
Can you count like a junior high school relationship?
I know.
I don't count that kind of thing.
Oh, it was like super serious, actually.
It was really serious.
It was serious.
He flew out to see me.
Three times.
Like, three times.
How old was he?
He was the same age.
How did you meet him at this point?
13 years ago.
He was flying out.
We were not obviously the same.
So he flew out or his parents flew him out.
His mom drove him all the way from Ohio.
So he, I literally, I thought I was going to marry this guy.
So he.
At 13.
At 16.
13-year-olds are deep feelers.
13-year-olds are very deep.
Like, yeah.
So.
That's why I won't let my kids have relationships.
It's super cringe.
We met on Xbox Live.
Yep, definitely getting married.
He actually, he actually, he was really into my friend, but my friend, like, rejected him.
Oh.
And then, like, months later, he just messages me on.
Xbox.
So his plan A.
I see you're watching.
His plan A didn't work, so he went to plan B and you took it.
Yeah.
No.
Don't ever be a plan B.
Yeah, and then he ended up being a major douchebag.
Like, yeah.
Miss Girl, you were planning on B.
I dodged a huge bullet.
No, like, yeah, it was long distance.
His mom drove him out to see me, and then I think he, like, flew, like.
Once he got of age, for sure.
Once he got older, yeah.
40.
And then, and then I was kind of like, hey, I think I'm, like, a lesbian.
And then he was like, cool, I think I'm gay.
And then now he has a baby.
So I was like, okay, that was like a bad thing.
he went from he thinks he's gay to having a baby yeah he has a baby with his partner like a guy partner or She's a they-them.
Okay, okay, okay.
Yeah.
I don't know a better way to go.
So it's basically kind of a win-win for him.
He gets past both worlds.
Yeah.
Okay.
Yeah.
I meant to say that.
I mean, he's got to fulfill his fantasy somehow.
So that works for him, that works for him.
Yeah.
Do you think maybe perchance, because that was your one experience with a man, you were like, I'm done with this.
I'm going to become a lesbian.
And then you realized the reality of that, and then you stopped with that too?
So like, okay, so we were like madly in love.
And then when I met him in person, I hated him.
You didn't see his face on XF Life?
No, we video chatted all day, every day.
Like all day, all throughout the night, like all the time.
We video chatted constantly.
But it's like when he came in person, I couldn't turn him off.
You know, like you could just put the phone down.
Be like, okay, I'm done talking to you.
You're getting annoying.
Like, put the phone down, don't answer, right?
I couldn't turn him off in person, and that was why I...
It got annoying.
Yeah.
Yeah, that made me one-on-one.
She couldn't just hang up the phone.
What the hell?
Wait.
We have 36, this must be a glitch on my computer.
Do we have 36,000 people watching currently?
Wow.
Doing a huge raid.
What?
Have you seen all of us?
Fix the girls.
Fix the girls.
Wait, is that like the most you've ever had or something?
32k.
Wait, what the hell?
What?
Somebody must have.
How's this happening?
I just have really good stories.
This is really strange.
No, This is.
I have like 200.
Let me just give you some note money so you can just did it.
Wait, chat.
I just pulled up on my end.
Normally, I'm not keeping track of our concurrent viewers.
Chat, did this just happen?
Is this on YouTube or Twitch?
It's on YouTube.
Is that a lot?
Check the like.
How much do you usually have?
I just want to put it into perspective for myself.
Is it usually 10,000?
No, it's like between 5 and 10K.
So you have like three times the amount?
Somebody's.
I don't know, maybe we're getting, did it just bump?
Because I think somebody's like trying to is sending bots or something.
I was going to say like view botting because I don't know how it works on YouTube compared to Twitch, but are there raids on YouTube?
I don't stream on YouTube.
That's super weird.
Anyways, I don't know.
I guess we'll find out.
Run out.
Unless some other major streamer did a redirect, but most people don't do that.
I can't.
Well, in any case, we have somehow 30,000 concurrent viewers.
I have no idea.
It must be bought.
Somebody's fucking botting it.
It's the Xbox Live Boy.
He misses her.
Low-key dead.
It's really weird.
Anyways, where were we?
We were talking about relationship status.
I think we finished with you.
Go ahead with you.
Single, and my last relationship was four years, which was the longest relationship I've had.
And that was about a year and a half ago, if not two years ago.
Okay.
All right.
Wait, so sorry, I'm kind of like distracted by this because could you just repeat that you're currently in a what?
Single.
No single.
Oh, single.
How long have you been single?
About a year and a half to two years.
Okay, one to two.
All right, perfect.
All right, so we've gone around the table.
We've gotten everybody's relationship status.
So I do want to ask, I thought this would be an interesting question to ask.
So are your parents going around the table starting with you?
Are your parents still together?
No, they're not.
They haven't been since I've been like a baby.
Were they married and then got divorced or just never married?
Yeah, they were married.
Okay.
But then they split up when you were young.
Yeah.
Okay.
What about you?
My parents are still together somehow.
They literally met when they were like somehow hella young.
And I don't know.
They've been able to stick by each other even with like hella problems.
So they're good to learn from then.
Yeah.
Okay.
Never quit.
They're married.
Yeah, they're married.
Gotcha.
What about you?
Contrary to popular belief, I do have a father.
And in fact, he is absolutely infatuated with my mother.
I have never seen such an example of what it means to love and be loved than I do watching the way that my father treats my mother and the way that they together operate and support each other as partners.
It's one of the most beautiful things I've ever gotten to witness.
Practically, they're like their business partners, they're business owners, they're romantic partners.
I mean, rider dies, genuinely.
That's beautiful.
You sound very intelligent, so I mean, that's like not really hard to.
You just dress colorful.
Thank you, Barbie.
I like to dress colorful.
Like, I'm just not today, but.
What about you?
My parents are divorced.
Divorce as fuck.
They got divorced when I was like 15.
15.
Okay, got it.
What about you?
I kind of touched on it already, but my parents are divorced.
They've been divorced since I was probably like seven or eight years old.
They absolutely hate each other's guts.
They don't talk, haven't spoken in years.
Same with you, Kayla?
Yeah.
Okay.
What about you?
My biological parents are not together, and my adult parents are not together either.
Alright, what about you?
My parents are divorced.
Divorced?
Yeah.
So my parents had actually gotten divorced over a disagreement with like religious beliefs.
And then after like five, seven years, like they kept on good terms the entire time and still like co-parented really well.
And they got remarried now and I think they're like really happy, really healthy, really supportive.
And I'm like really happy for them and proud of them.
Based.
My parents are still together, but sometimes I think they shouldn't be.
why do you think they shouldn't be um my mom is very unaffectionate and doesn't like to she's not i feel like she's not in touch with her feelings She has a very hard time showing her love.
So your dad deserves better from you?
My dad is like, it's weird.
It's like, you know how in relationships usually the mom is more loving and showing like more affection.
It's the opposite.
My dad is so like supportive and like giving the girls compliments and like, oh, how was your day?
And my mom was just like, just like there.
But like, have you tried like talking to her about it and like confronting her?
We don't really have conversations.
Our conversations always turned into arguments.
We can't just like sit down and it just always gets too heated.
Yeah.
That really sucks.
I haven't really talked to them since they kicked me out.
I haven't seen them for like the holidays or like anything.
But I actually just found out that my mom has cancer.
So I kind of feel like now that I feel like it's pressured to make up with her now.
I think putting in effort will definitely be worth it.
It'll also, I think, be like really difficult, but maybe having potentially a third party could help.
But I think, yeah, definitely try and, you know, mend things what you can and hopefully don't have regrets.
Yeah, it just kind of sucks because like I've talked to my therapist and she was like, you should want, you should be ready for, you should, how do I word this?
Prepare yourself.
Prepare myself and I should choose to want to fix my relationship, but I feel like I have to find out myself and I don't really fully forgive them for what they've done.
But now I feel like it's rushed.
We're like, I have to, you know, now I have to.
Did you share your parents' status?
Me?
Yeah.
No.
We left off with you.
Here, let's go.
Go ahead.
Yeah, my parents are divorced.
Parents are married, but my mother passed away two and a half years ago.
Sorry to hear that.
Someone else.
Yeah, so I don't know.
There's a weird viewership thing going on here.
I don't know, like, first off, I mean, this is, our normal viewership is somewhere between, like, five, five to ten thousand tops, typically, so.
So I'm not claiming this viewership.
I think somebody is viewbotting us.
I don't know if YouTube is watching.
This isn't like I ain't claiming this is our normal views.
Like somebody is like targeted, viewbotting us.
I think it's probably fine.
Isn't that a good thing though?
No, not right now.
I mean, like, if you're, if, like, there's some way to prove that it's like the channel originator.
Yeah, if they can prove that the host is the one who's viewbotting it.
It's like a violation of terms of service.
But so I don't know if this is a targeted attack, but I mean we've done 140 episodes and typically our viewership is between 5 to 10,000 people.
This is clearly, unless we got a redirect, this is clearly not our normal viewership.
So if YouTube admins are watching, I think we're getting viewboarded by somebody else.
I don't know.
In any case, let's continue on with the show.
So I'm trying to see where we left off here.
I think we want to get into a lot of you provided some pre-show notes and there's a lot of pre-show notes from all of you guys.
So Nick, the fuck was that, dude?
Why did you do that?
I didn't mean to.
All right.
So you guys provided a lot of pre-show notes.
So I want to just go over it.
Let's see.
So we have Kayla.
You said in your pre-show notes that you provided to us that you were a cam girl.
Yes.
No longer a cam girl, though, is that correct?
No longer.
You said somebody wanted to you want it.
He wanted to be degraded.
Yeah.
And he wanted what?
He wanted me to push.
Yeah.
He came on cam ready to do this.
He had a metal clamp and he wanted me to force him, like, like tell him to push him to cut off one of his balls.
And he did.
What?
Wait, get out of here.
And then he came back later, like, I guess.
Let's not be too graphic with any of the descriptions, but he, did he actually.
Flop.
He actually did it.
Yes.
Have you seen it?
I saw it went flop.
Like this.
What if it was fake?
Why did you encourage this?
Because he paid me like $2,000.
And if he's already on the site, someone is going to get the money.
Me or someone else.
Wait, so, but he paid you $2,000 for you to just watch him do it?
Did you get the money?
Did you get the money before even?
I got to send an ass for it on this one.
Well, again, and then showed me the scar.
Maybe he was trying to traumatize you out of the industry, but like there are people that are actually masochistors.
Yeah, yeah.
No, there are people like that.
Yeah, absolutely.
I know.
So he Venmo'd you 2,000K?
No, on the site you tip me.
On the site he tipped you.
He was taxed on that site?
not even direct yeah because then like you can't like give your venmo on those sites because then oh i wouldn't know yeah Like, it's like OnlyFans, like, you can't, like, give your cash app on there.
Like, are you, do you have mental scars?
Like, he showed you on camera doing it, correct?
Yes.
I feel like that'd be kind of fucking a little traumatizing to see somebody mutilate themselves.
Oh, I'm fine.
Fuck it.
thousand bucks okay she's kayla's kayla's a fucking trooper She's a trooper.
Okay, all right.
Send it was a dream.
It was a weird dream.
I just woke up and haven't.
Okay.
Let's see.
You also said you think it's hard for lots of people to date nowadays because we all have so much accessibility to so many people that a lot of people think they can always have something better instead of trying to really deeply bond and understand somebody else.
Well, you've been in a relationship for three years, right?
So did you, I mean, is that something you experienced prior to your relationship?
Just also like friends.
Like one of my friends, they talk about the relationships a lot.
And I think people don't put in the work, like, like keep trying when they're in a relationship because they think, oh, I can deserve better.
I can do better.
And then you don't realize like later on when you break up with them, like months down the line, that you actually weren't treating that.
You are being treated that bad, and that the dating pool is actually gone.
Men are literally crazy.
I've heard a man, like, literally say to me, like, who like would cheat on their girl all the time.
And, like, he tripped.
Maddie, can you get that?
Continue.
He literally said, like, oh, I can go out here and like cheat as much as I want and then, like, go up to my girl and straight lie to her face, and she will never know.
Like, I'm just that good at manipulation.
I'm like, okay.
And like, and like, so I don't know.
I think just like men are literally like delusional in certain ways.
That's why when I hear something like that, now like when I see a man, like, I just like, I just know, like, they, they just aren't, they don't think right, you know what I mean?
But are they wrong?
I want to like add something and bring it back with like full love and respect, but you also said that you're delusional.
Yes, true, but that doesn't mean my delusions are mean or rude or damaging, you know?
Yeah, have you, um, it sounds like a lot of the people you've met have been very like questionable.
Where do you normally like meet people?
Um, shoot, I guess, like, probably at like music shows, like, through, like, friends and stuff, or like DMing on Instagram.
Yeah, okay.
But, anyways, like, are they, are they wrong, though?
What do you mean?
Like, that they can go cheat, go up to their girlfriend.
They're not wrong.
They're not wrong.
Yeah, no, I know.
They find enjoyment out of it.
I know enjoyment in the fact that it's wrong.
Like, they like it to feel wrong.
I know that.
That brings them together.
My brother is one of those guys.
I think those type of men are typically emotionally broken and they know what type of women are going to let themselves.
And I don't want to say let themselves, but it's like they target emotionally unwell women.
So that way they basically get them hooked on this chaos and they know that it's going to be in their own way.
They'll literally like, like, the girl won't know.
Or if she knows, she's going to be.
She'll lie to herself.
Yeah.
Yeah, I know what you mean.
Yeah.
It's not all men, but those type of men, they know who to go for, basically.
And those type of women tend to only go for the men who want that chaos, basically.
That's why if you feel a guy's boring, maybe that's good.
And you should push through that.
That way you're not led by emotion, which is typically what ends relationships, which is like, oh, I'm not feeling it anymore.
And it's like, you don't feel it all the time.
So that's kind of my two cents.
Yeah.
I feel like opposites are like good sometimes, though.
Yeah.
I think that could play into like the Coolidge effect as well, if Jan wants to explain that.
Oh, like the Coolidge effect, like with the porn and like how porn affects your brain.
Well, how like the addiction with like the dumb interceptors?
Yeah, absolutely.
I mean, it completely makes sense.
It completely makes sense that there are individuals that are actually actively frying their brains chemically with either the porn they're consuming on the side, whatever flirting they might be doing in their personal time and whatever.
So I think that a lot of individuals can operate in a similar sadistic way, but they write off their sadism as acceptable because, well, I mean, I'm not this bad.
I'm not actually out There doing this when it is just as damaging.
No, there was this one guy that I knew that just kind of sent me spiraling because it was like he was trying to do that whole baiting thing where it's like trying to love bomb you basically, where it's like they try to give you the flattery, the whole.
I've never kind of, I don't know, I've always seen that as being just kind of stupid.
But what annoyed me was that he would excuse things that were just awful.
Like he had a thing for having intercourse with like married women, and he said that it was like super attractive to him.
And I'm like, the things that people like that will normalize and then the way that they'll emotionally manipulate women who are emotionally unwell, it's something that needs to have a level of awareness risen because right now all that's happening is just glamorization, romanticization of that, being like, oh, that's what, for example, I imagine in the case of your parents, since they have that sort of like intense, sort of chaotic relationship, you are also that loyal, that devoted, that sort of like, I'll never give up on you.
But you have it in a way where it's not organized and it's not in a way where let's like, these are the bullet points that I need from a relationship.
You have it in a way where it's like, as long as you're sticking with me, no matter what you do to me, I'll be there for you.
And men typically won't value that.
They won't appreciate that.
They'll just find someone else that they can get another thrill from, basically.
Definitely.
In my last relationship, I was cheating on all the time.
But I just felt like I loved them so much that the hurt of getting out of it would be like 10 times worse than manipulation.
It's like a drug addiction.
You are addicted to their emotional input, their company.
You're attached to them, but you don't actually love them because love doesn't even feel like you're not.
I don't know.
It feels like you love them.
It's like a Stockholm syndrome.
Yeah, exactly.
You can have Stockholm Syndrome, I suppose.
Where it's like love is supposed to be a feeling where you feel grateful for the person.
It's not supposed to be a feeling where, are they with another woman right now?
I need them so badly.
If you need that, it's I mean, and that's the thing about forgiveness.
I feel like I'm able to forgive and forget almost instantaneously just because like, I don't know.
I feel like if you dwell, hold grudges, it only keeps down your energy.
And like literally, I'm so focused on like trying to just like live my most like positive life and mindset.
Yeah.
Like, I just like, I really sincerely don't care.
There's like a lack of like, and excuse me once again, it's like a measure of a lack of standards.
It's like, yes, you shouldn't hold grudges.
Yes, you shouldn't be resentful.
But the fact that you're like basically DMing guys first, basically asking them to love you, forgiving them isn't necessarily forgiving them.
It's just looking the other way and hoping that they'll give you something that they're basically too broken inside to give you.
Yeah.
Going to Zombri here, Brie.
Zombry.
You said you had a crazy, unique story.
A guy DM'd you, said he'd give you $200 to take a picture with him in New York, and you did it.
And he was shaking when he was.
Yeah, he was telling me and he was like literally like whimpering.
Is that it?
That's your craziest.
I don't, I mean, I have like a couple crazy stories, but also that's not the first time someone asked to take a picture with her.
I don't know.
Remember when we went on the train?
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
Someone also asked to like take a picture with her.
Okay.
All right.
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Croncosaurus is that.
Who's Cronkosaurus?
You're a Cronkosaurus.
Oh, okay.
You're a feminist, correct?
You describe yourself as a feminist?
Yes.
Okay.
You say you wanted to talk about how men treat women like shit.
Am I some men?
I haven't found a man.
I know a man has treated me well in my life.
I know it's a lot of people.
See, but where you're firing, you meet them.
Yeah, exactly.
No, it's my type in men.
And so that's why I'm taking a step back and looking at myself.
What is wrong with myself?
But you're just attracted to that chaos, though.
It feels good.
It feels exciting.
Do you have a million?
Do you have a healthy relationship?
No.
Not a single one.
So, yeah.
Maybe you go to church and find like an old married couple and ask them.
Some people that have been together for six days, like go ask them, like, how do you like find a good partner and how do you like to stay together for so long?
Well, I have a question because you guys have like a very specific aesthetic, and I think this might be related to you guys.
Do you guys also want to date men within your, I don't know, sub-genre or subculture or aesthetic.
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So, I mean, it occurs to me that could the people that are drawn to these subcultures, no offense to you guys who are in it, but could they be more predisposed or could there be some correlation with, you know, either mental illness?
Most definitely.
Like, I think a lot of us, like, girlies with beautiful princess disorder, what is that?
What is beautiful princess disorder?
BPD.
Maybe the bipolar shorties.
Hooray personality disorder.
Okay.
Do you have BPD?
You know, I've never been diagnosed.
I have been diagnosed bipolar, but I didn't go my therapist long enough.
I like only went and was like about a 51-50 myself, and then I was like, oh, I'm fine the next day.
Growing up in a household with that as like a very large theme of mental illness being a very large theme, just without, I didn't have a choice in it.
I really hate the yossification of BPD.
It's beautiful princess disorder.
Like, no, you need help.
And you want to be a member of society that can be good to the people around you.
And I think that that is something exciting to go into and look into.
I think you're amazingly beautiful, but I do support therapy a lot.
It has helped me a ton in my life.
I think I and my friend here would probably support maybe looking into a religion.
I mean, no, I've been to like a few different therapists, but like, like, like, literally, like, if all I only go when I'm straight in crisis, and then as soon as I'm like, nah, I'm like, it's like, you need that follow-through.
I feel like therapy is like, I think what you need is like a deep sense of inner love.
And I think therapy sometimes is absent of that.
Therapists just don't understand.
Exactly.
They literally don't relate.
They don't, like, like, I'll tell them a story.
You have to find one.
Yeah, you have to find one that's a good one.
You have to find out.
I've never had a good time with therapists, and I've never found one that, like, it's just basically talk therapy.
And it's like, I already know it's stupid.
I think I would say my friends and do the same thing for me.
I would say just like read Proverbs and maybe some life lessons will come to you, basically.
Read books that need to be explained.
Books are definitely helpful.
No, I do.
I do.
Actually, if not therapy, religion is absolutely amazing.
I've probably had thousands of therapists, like thousands.
Like a lot of people.
And did they help?
Like, every week after that.
That just sounds like a lot of money and a lot of waste of time.
Exactly.
I can figure this out for myself and find my own outlets and find like way more, I don't know, just beneficial things.
But it seems like it won't.
It seems like you kind of going about it yourself, you're at a loss.
You're like, well, I'm involuntary smelling, but I'm not, you know, interacting.
Like, that's like a lit thing to me.
That's not a good, that's not a bad thing to me.
You know what I mean?
I think that in your case, it's like, it's not that you're about your own thing.
It's just that, once again, as explained, like, therapists just, they just give you therapy language.
They just give you a therapy brain, but they don't actually give you the solutions or the deep answers that you seek.
Coping skills.
Exactly.
Yeah, I think in your life.
Well, there can be a problem as resolution for sure.
I think in your case, maybe the thing you're looking for is that sort of like unconditional love that cannot come from a man.
It can't come from another human being.
I think you need something that gives you a deep meaning in life and synthesis.
That's Jesus.
Can I just say also, I didn't find a man until I stopped looking and I started working on myself.
Like, I was looking for years.
Like, I was like, I need, like, I was like, I need someone.
Like, you were saying, you're like, I need somebody.
And I was like looking on dating apps constantly.
And like, it was finally when I stopped looking and then my friend said, girl, we need to get you a guy.
And I was like, no, thank you.
Yeah, I just like, I'm just way too impatient.
Like, when I want things in life, like, I don't have any, what's called not instant gratification, like, the opposite of that.
Nothing good comes easy.
Yeah, exactly.
And you can't be picky.
See, that's the thing, is literally, like, I was so picky on these dating websites.
You cannot be picky.
My friend.
But then you're settling.
Why would you want to settle?
No, but you're not.
You're absolutely not.
Let me tell you.
My friend told me, pay the $1 to see everybody who likes you.
And I had like thousands from months of having this app.
And I swipe, she told me to swipe on all of them.
And I was like, oh, but no, no, no, not this guy.
Swipe on him.
Like, she was like, swipe on every single one.
And I got a guy that is now my boyfriend who is an amazing guy, brings me flowers every single time we meet.
Pays for dinner.
Is just a lovely, amazing guy.
And he was one of those guys.
And he actually sent me like a note from like six months before that.
And I didn't see it because I didn't swipe right on him.
And I swiped right on him.
Honestly.
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Well, okay, going back to the question at hand.
So are you exclusively, are you guys exclusively trying to date people within your subculture?
No.
Yes.
I don't know.
Well, you're in a relationship.
I mean, you're single, you're single, you're single.
I used to, but like, they're just like mentally like disabled and like.
Wait, they're what?
They're like, I don't know.
They're mentally disabled.
The men.
Or you know what I mean?
Like, all the men.
Their mental health isn't good.
All mentally unstable.
That's fine.
Disabled is like so false.
They all have theirs as like emergency.
They add them.
They might be.
Now just like look for like normal people and like okay, question for people that are you heavily tattooed on my legs.
Legs.
I think you two are pretty heavily tattooed.
Would you prefer a guy who's heavily tattooed?
Yeah, I love men with tattoos.
Pretty much only date men.
Is it a deal breaker if a guy doesn't have tattoos?
Like no tattoos.
No.
Choir boy shit.
No, no, yeah.
Definitely not.
I can't date like any normie like.
You can't do the normie.
No.
But if you, okay.
They don't understand.
You're going to continuously.
Your rejection of normie men is going to lead you to continuously date.
It's just like, how do you even talk to them?
Like, if I want to talk about like music, art, like any of the stuff I'm interested in, like, they literally have nothing to say or they just be like, I just go to one of them.
I mean, you could introduce, like, you could introduce them to your art or your type of music.
They're lame as a musician.
You just start listening to them.
If you have no swag, then, like, honestly, you're not going to, like, you're not going to click at all.
Like, you have to, like, like, I don't know.
It's a whole like bad boy thing.
Like, the bad boy thing.
Can I reject the premise that there is an inherent issue with the way that people offer you?
You guys, if you're going to speak, please speak into the microphone.
Go ahead.
Sorry.
I'm hiding behind somebody.
We've told you multiple times.
Go ahead.
Sorry, Bestie.
Yeah, I'd like to reject the premise that it's something to do with the subculture because, in fact, the most fetishistic men that have ever interacted with me are considered normie men.
They like the idea of having that wild child that, oh my gosh, I'm going to shock my parents.
I'm going to shock my family.
Those are the experiences that I've had.
And it hasn't made me swear off to anything.
But what it has made me do is realize that there's a bigger issue at hand than the sub-genre of music that somebody listens to.
I think it's a beautiful thing that somebody's doing.
I mean, you're essentially strawmanning my argument.
And also, I didn't make the claim that normie men can't be dysfunctional in some way.
The point I was trying to make is the people that might be attracted or might be more likely to participate in certain subcultures, there could very well be, and I haven't researched it, but there very well could be, and it may very well be factually the case, that it does attract certain types of personalities, and perhaps there's a correlation with either past trauma or mental illness.
I'm not saying they're bad people, but that's how we relate.
I didn't mean to insinuate that they were bad people.
She was explaining how in her experience that normies have nothing to offer.
They're so boring.
And to me, I said, well, that's really interesting because my personal experience as an alternative person who's dressed like this for a number of years and lived an alternative lifestyle is that's been the attitude that I've received in certain situations, being from the southern United States in those environments.
And I don't think that's a bad thing to point out.
It's just a different experience.
There's a lot of traditional men who do like girls like you because it gives them that sense of I'm saving you, basically.
You just have to let them is the point.
But I don't want to let them and I don't want to be with them because like, I don't know.
I just want somebody.
I wouldn't want to feel like a project.
Yeah, like what?
I want somebody that's already like that inspires me where I'm around them.
They're like, you know, they invite me to cool things.
They're connecting me.
Like, I want to feel confident and prideful in who I'm with.
Not like someone I have to like tote around or something, but like in private, I like them or something.
So why do you see normal people like that way?
What do you mean?
Like you're saying, like you were categorizing like normie people being like way too lame, way too boring.
Oh, like in the past, in the past I used to be feral, like a literal feral wild animal.
Like I would basically have like a normal, stable relationship?
Yeah, I've had one that lasted four years.
But I mean, stable?
Heck no.
But that's why it worked because we were okay with each other's crazy and in fact like loved each other for it, you know?
Like, like, so it just like works so well.
So this was the normal relationship?
I never, I don't know about, okay, maybe I was like in high school, I had one, but I don't really count that, like, because I don't know, just compared to the love I felt when I was like with somebody like similar to me, it was so strong, so obsessive and just like obsessive.
Yes, it was, it satisfied addiction.
Yes, it satisfied a certain, like, you know, like when you have these disorders, you have a certain need and drive in you for risky to behaviors.
It was comfort that you're finding.
I understand that.
I've like experienced it myself.
Yeah.
But I think if you want someone to like actually get you, you have to be willing to like give them the chance and like actually be willing to open up to them.
And even if they may seem like closed-minded or something, if they open up to you as well, which like people normally should in relationships, normally people grow together in relationships.
They come to understand the other, become more like the other.
And I think that would be what it sounds like you're looking for.
I feel like also, like in a relationship with like a norm, a normie or however you per se call them, like they might not like your aesthetic or whatever, but you have to grow with them anyways.
It's such a big part of my life.
Like fashion is like almost like the number one thing.
If you're not, like, that comes first.
Like, if you don't, like, have a certain look, it's honestly, even though that's super shallow, that's just like, like, how actually it's like on Tinder and Hinge.
You don't know these people.
Are you like, you know what I mean?
Why do they have to the white colours?
Because you have to just have your niche and then they might have their own thing.
I think, honestly.
They kind of do like the aesthetic, though.
Yeah.
Yeah.
They're like too scared to like do it themselves, you know?
I think maybe it's more so, and correct me if I'm wrong once again.
I think because perhaps you might not have a strong understanding of what's going on inside of you, you seek other men who parallel you or mirror you so that way you understand yourself.
But then there's probably gonna come a point where you realize there's severe consequences that come with that that'll make you have to reflect and think, I have to kind of like discipline my emotions to remove myself from these intense situations.
It just like, yeah, it just like feels impossible sometimes.
Like so many times, like what she was saying, how like you make a mistake and you're like, okay, I'm not gonna ever do that again.
And literally you're doing it over and over.
But so like, that's why I've just like completely canceled it all out.
Like, I can't, I don't have discipline.
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Here, bringing it back to Arsen Princess here.
So you said that you were in a four-year relationship with a videographer and he ended up getting addicted to perks and then got bone cancer and then had to get his leg amputated.
Yeah.
Did you stay with him through that whole process?
I stayed with him for like a year through it, but just like it was just like too much.
Like I don't even want to speak hella badly on him just because like he has been through so he has been through so much.
Like he didn't even just get his leg amputated.
It was like left amputated and like put on backwards.
And then like the foot joint now acts like a knee joint.
And like, bruh, like that happening to someone is like, just like, I don't know.
Like.
It takes a toll.
Yeah.
Yeah.
A crazy toll.
So like, for sure.
Like, he just took all his pain out because he had obviously was going through like so much and he just like took it out on me, which is like understandable.
But you can only put up with it so long of like someone being like a raging mess every day.
So yeah.
Okay.
And then you also said once sex landed you in the RR ER, excuse me.
Oh my god, wait.
Okay, so it was actually like so fun.
It's like such a beautiful story, even though like it was like it was literally how we fell in love.
Like, so it was like our second date.
Literally, I met him like the second time I met him.
And this was when I was in my real emo era.
Like I would wear like a lot of black and stuff.
But at that point in time, I identified as a vampire.
Like I was a vampire.
And so like, I was like, ooh, we should watch, we should try blood play, but it was supposed to be like silly or whatever.
Just like a tiny little drop.
Like literally just a tiny drop.
And then, but, but for some reason, like, we used a freaking kitchen knife and it was so dull.
And so like, like, we tried to do like a tiny cut and like it wouldn't work.
And so I was like, don't be a pussy.
And then like, I just like grabbed my leg and he's just like, I was like, just do it really fast.
And like for some reason, my brain, like, when I'm manic, like, it, it, like, doesn't think that correctly.
And so, like, he was like, okay, she say I cut, I cut.
And then, so he just like went once really fast.
And my leg ended up like filleting over.
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I'm not going to show that.
Don't show that steak.
Did that was that on camera, Nick?
No, I shouldn't say that.
Please tell me.
Nick, did you get any of that on camera?
I don't.
Just want to.
It's not your fault, but just tell me yes or no.
Did you get it on camera?
I was watching the screen and it kind of popped up for a split second.
I showed it that way.
It wasn't that way.
Just a reference.
As a person who wants to.
Take her fucking circle.
Just take a fucking phone.
How did I even get it back?
For the pinched thing.
Oh.
As a person with a significant history of self-harm, that was like really fucked up, what you just did.
Damn, I'm sorry.
Yeah.
No, I get it.
Because it's like, once again, it's like you're in the zone.
You kind of like lose awareness and it's like you kind of can't feel things.
But it's like.
I don't know.
We laughed it off.
We thought it was funny.
And then we went to the ER.
And then I had this whole vision of us our whole lives together and drugs.
I did used to do a lot of psychedelics.
So maybe I had to do with that.
But I don't do psychedelics anymore because I already unlocked the other 10% of my brain you get from that.
Stop it.
What's your mail?
But and then I just was like, you know what?
Can you like not ghost me after this?
And then he didn't leave for four years.
So it ended up being like just like a funny thing we laughed about later on.
No, I mean like once again, it's like was this the one who had the leg put on backwards?
Yeah.
It's like although it's like intense and it seems like it's you're satisfying each other's emotional, scratching that emotional need basically.
It's like you're worshiping each other.
You become each other's gods essentially.
And it's like you then do things that are like objectively kind of harmful to like a healthy, sane society that can go really bad really fast.
Like Amy Winehouse and her boyfriend, they ended really badly because that's the spiral.
It's like you're not in love.
You're just basically spiraling out together and consenting to it.
So it's best to kind of like practice that pause, practice that sort of like awareness for your own health and also for the health of those around you as well.
But it's like.
And see, like, and that's that's the thing.
If you surround, I don't know, just like certain groups, like you can like say things like that and like not be judged.
And like if anything, like people will like laugh, you know?
What would you define as judgment though?
Like how does judgment, what would you define as judgment?
Like a recoil from you or is it like an evaluation of your behavior?
Just not like matching my energy.
You know?
Yeah.
It's like, I think once again, it's like, and once again, maybe I'm wrong, because you might not have an understanding of yourself, you enjoy people around you that might make you feel like you can be understood or at least you're safe to not feel understood.
So once again, like I think you're in really good steps by staying single for right now just because you might attract people who can hurt you.
But it's keep in that path and remember the value and self-love that you need on the inside, basically.
I have some more notes here.
You said dating is ridiculous to me.
Men only bring you down.
You're celibate.
You mentioned you're in your incel era.
You said in your pre-show notes here, men are all narcissists with anger issues and can't be trusted.
Yeah.
Like, like, literally.
No.
I don't know.
For me, every man I've talked to, like, they talk about them in such a way where they'll like, like, like, say, they'll be like, oh, this guy wears fake designer, like, or like, like, this guy, like, I don't know.
They'll just like bring down so many others around you, like, trying to, like, build themselves up based off their own.
I don't know.
And I think it's just like a negative energy to put out.
That is nasty energy, but like, I don't like it being generalized onto like a bunch of people.
Yes, I do definitely generalize it, and that's definitely not everyone's experience.
That's my own personal experience.
And like, I don't know.
I've just had like almost all of them be negative to the point where it's just like, I completely had to switch up my whole mentality if I didn't want to remain depressed anymore.
You know what I mean?
So it's like a cope.
No, I think it's because if a man is critical, if you don't have the tools necessary to like fix whatever they might be criticizing in others, which might reflect in yourself, then it kind of just depresses you and makes you feel bad about yourself because you're like, how do you do that?
But I don't even think it's just me either.
Like every single story we were talking about last now, literally every story, it was talking about how a man was fucking up.
So wait, you too.
Literally.
Every single story.
I didn't hear one that was like, oh, this was so positive.
Like, you know, I've been in an absolutely amazing relationship for four years, and I would do anything for him.
I would give the world.
I'm going to say that.
I do think, like, with all of our styles, it does tend to be the guys that we are attracted to.
I will admit that.
All right.
A little round of applause for her on that one.
I'm so finally answering the question.
One of you earlier said, like, you like bad boys.
Was it, I think it was you who said that.
I mean, is it any surprise?
But, like, if these are the type of men, if these are the type of men that you find yourself attracted to, bad boys, is it any surprise that eventually down the road, they are literal bad boys?
Yes, act badly and live up to their reputation.
But they're also a lot of time master manipulators.
So they'll literally fully convince you, you know, that any responsibility or whatever, but a lot of things are my fault too.
But also, also, I don't know, like, they'll literally make themselves seem like one way and then like full 360 like change on you over like years.
You also wrote that you are a feminist and a liberal.
You have strong opinions on both.
Before I go into my next thing, just going around the table, who here considers themselves a feminist?
Who, and then who here?
How do you lean politically?
Are you liberal, moderate, conservative, apolitical?
Starting with you, go ahead.
Are you a feminist?
And then your political leanings?
I guess kind of, yeah.
Kind of, yeah, a feminist.
What about your politics?
I really like politics like that.
Liberal, progressive, Trump supporter.
What are we talking?
I guess the political.
I think you probably.
You seem like a Trump supporter to me.
Kanye?
Kanye's more your speed?
Kind of.
Okay, good to know.
What about you?
Well, feminist and liberal for sure.
Sure.
What about you?
Not a feminist, definitely moderate.
I value traditionalism in a lot of ways.
Sure.
I said feminist and apolitical, because doesn't apolitical mean like you don't really have a you're not super involved with politics.
I wouldn't necessarily say I'm a feminist either.
There's definitely statute of limitations, you know.
I also don't pay attention to any sort of politics because it just destroyed so much of my family.
It's just like.
Okay.
I wouldn't say I'm necessarily a feminist because I feel like the way that it has been turned in today is just there's this, I don't know.
It's like misandry.
Yeah, like I have my own idea of misandry.
It's like feminist is me.
The traditional dungeon that's lost.
I'm sorry.
Yeah, I don't care about politics really that much either.
What about you?
Yeah, I know nothing on politics.
I don't keep up with any of that stuff.
I stay in my room and hibernate.
That's all I care about.
But apolitical, for sure.
Okay.
Yeah.
I love men.
I love women.
I'm like a humanitarian jurisnaturalist.
Okay.
What about you?
I'm not involved in politics at all.
Okay.
Feminist?
I don't know.
Okay.
What about you?
I'm an advocate for women in my own way.
Definitely not feminist as far as the typical way.
And then I'm like also Pretty conservative from just like what people tell me, but like there are definitely some things that I do lean on just because I have I used to be on the other side, so I can I guess like understand sure I'm actually an anti-feminist and I my political leanings are probably like people say it's not pragmatic, but I'd rather have like a Catholic or Orthodox monarchy and then people are like well you have to bring it down to like a republic.
Can I ask about that for clarification on that?
When you say you're like anti-feminist, are you against like the current form of like wave from all the way to the world?
I don't even like that as feminism.
I see it as more standardism.
What wave?
Like when women will openly be like only elevating themselves to bring and like also like hating on men.
That is not feminism because it's about being equal.
It's not about bringing men down.
So I wanted to clarify if it's more about the quote-unquote feminazis that you're like actively against.
No, as the original doctrine of basically trying to break the nuclear family, of trying to break like a society based off of faith, neighborhoods, community ties, basically trying to masculinize women, feminize men, and tell women that the gender role is against them and tell men that the gender role is also against them.
Going against biological reality from the job.
So yeah, that's something that I would probably very much understand and agree with as well.
Okay.
Yeah.
All right.
Well, on that, you also said women are so you said women are superior to men.
Republicans just want to see the 1% succeed and are ignorant.
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That's cool.
Do you consume alcohol, Brian?
I mean, very rarely I really don't drink, but occasionally I'll have a beer, I guess.
But yeah, I don't really drink, so.
Okay, I expect that.
Do you want to expand on the whole women are superior to men thing?
I'm curious about that.
We just, I feel like we just have more power to us.
Like, just think about all the opportunities women can get into easily to elevate so quickly in this world.
You know what I mean?
I wouldn't say getting hurt.
I wouldn't say women are superior.
I feel like we're just more intricate and that opens a lot more doors.
To get the said power, does that typically in your mind or like paradigm include using slash selling your like sexuality for said power?
Yes, I guess so.
But, like, at the same time, I don't know.
I feel like...
Do you feel like it empowers you?
Mm...
Definitely not.
But the results that come from it and the opportunities I've gone from having money, like just having money, money is undeniable.
Will literally bring you so many fucking opportunities.
Yes.
Can I ask you a question?
Do you think, hypothetically speaking, in another reality, do you think that if you fall in love with a man who takes care of you, who is everything that you ever wanted, scratches that emotional itch, gives you that entire dream, basically, and he's the one who financially takes care of you and you get to just be at home to be a fan of the world.
That sounds like a unicorn.
That sounds like a fairy tale.
Like imagine I won the lottery.
Like, you know what I mean?
Like that just sounds really unrealistic.
That's what love is.
It's traditionalism.
I would say it's more so like, once again, the environments that you're in, it's a unicorn.
That's not going to happen in those club scenes.
It's not going to happen with anyone who looks at you and goes, oh, yeah, emotionally I can just manipulate her.
I can use her for this and that and this.
It's not going to happen.
However, it's not a far-fetched idea.
A lot of men desperately seek that.
And they're just kind of like women are just, they don't want it.
They push it away because they associate those men with the men that they're used to who do take advantage of them.
Yeah.
Every other place in the world, that's the norm.
Like, and that's why men leave the country to go find that.
And you're saying that's like a unicorn, like, fairy tale dream.
No, that's like everywhere but us.
But just like, I don't know.
I feel like a lot of girlies that do have like, you know, BPD and stuff like that, you have to be able to be okay with us.
And like, a lot of those men aren't.
Like, you know what?
Do you think this is the only country with BPD?
Well, no.
I would say like I've been to therapists and they've tried telling me that I have like everything under the sun and I'm just kind of like I reject all of that All I needed was Jesus, but whatever.
I say that, although I understand what you mean when it comes to like men reject you because of X, Y, or Z, I would also say that you're also playing a part in that by rejecting them as well.
I think that if you're not ready for that relationship, if you're not ready to move forward and say, there's some issues with me that I need to address and I want to work with you, then naturally the relationship isn't going to take hold.
But it's like you're pushing them away.
They meant, and none of the men that I have talked to, like a relationship isn't even, if I were to ask, like, what are we?
Oh, if I were to ask, like, what are we, that would literally like be the most stupid question like they've ever heard.
You know, men are sure about it.
They make it very well known from the start.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah, that's true.
Can I touch on the mental health thing?
I was told at 16 that I would never be able to live a normal life, that I was going to be institutionalized for the rest of my life because I was so crazy in the state of being a woman.
Literally, here I am.
You know, they literally said, like, you know, like, don't make plans for her.
You know?
Really?
Yeah, the doctors told that to my family.
Like, they said, she is not getting out of the hospital.
Like, 18, bye, you know, you need to plan for that.
And I, as soon as I got out of my household, I moved out the day I turned 18.
I was absolutely fine and I went and worked on myself.
So you can say you have a million disorders.
It's only as true as you make it to be.
And I was on so much, I was on so much medication.
Yeah.
And then I'm on no medication now.
Yeah.
Like they told me, oh, it's a chemical imbalance.
Like, you need this to live.
Like, no, I didn't.
I needed it for a time, but I don't need it totally.
And I think you're absolutely limiting yourself by probably.
I know.
like it my mental illness now like it I think it makes me more it makes me more creative I feel like I can spark.
It's glamorizing mental illness.
I don't know.
Didn't you say that you weren't actually diagnosed?
I'm diagnosed bipolar.
But you claim BPD.
Well, I'm pretty sure I had all the criteria.
I've been diagnosed bipolar five times and I have absolutely none of the criteria.
So I don't even think that's like a very valid, like especially, you know, even diagnosed.
I don't think that's very valid.
My friend was also diagnosed bipolar for like her whole life was on the medication.
And then like now she's borderline.
Yeah.
Yeah, exactly.
That's what I'm saying.
Like these therapists literally can misdiagnose you all the time.
Exactly.
I'm just like, for me, but it's limiting.
Yeah, yeah.
So you said women are superior to men.
I'm looking for an explanation of that.
In what ways are women superior?
Just because, I don't know.
Like, I think I just see so much like evil like behaviors going on in men that like when you look at a woman when they walk in the room feminine energy lights up the room.
You know what I mean?
And like, I don't know.
Yeah, or you feel instantly insecure because every other girl is judging you.
Like what this, that's a crazy thing.
I have a genuine woman.
No, it depends what scene you're in and what environment you're in, you know?
If you don't have a genuine zone, get out of hell.
Typically, if you're emotionally vulnerable the way you are, where you're that emotionally giving, you're going to be around.
Do you consider yourself open-minded?
Just like that.
Yes and no.
No.
I'm open-minded to kind of the freaks of the world, but not open-minded to people I don't think are not open-minded to me.
No, no, no.
It seems like your whole conversation for like the past hour has been very close-minded.
Yeah.
No, I don't.
Okay, well, let's, let's, okay, so I'm a little confused because you consider yourself a feminist, but you say women are superior.
I mean, the most generous sense, my most generous definition of feminism is a equality movement, but you say women are superior, so that's more like female supremacy, not exactly feminism.
So are you a female supremacist?
I guess so, in a way.
Okay, well, she's honest, I guess.
It depends who I'm like talking easily.
Are women superior to men when it comes to physical strength?
It depends on the man.
If he's tiny, a man that's like 411.
Generally speaking.
No, just for her.
This is a question for her.
Generally speaking.
Biologically.
Are women superior to men in physical strength?
Generally speaking.
I want to say it depends.
That's my opinion.
No, generally.
No, I know.
Yes.
So I'll give you this.
There are some women who are stronger than some men.
But generally speaking.
A lot of the guys I talk to are literally like 120 pounds.
So like, I don't know.
They don't look like that strong.
Okay.
Do you think that you're stronger than any man in this room?
You can't group the men that you've talked to into a drink.
Okay, okay.
No, they're not stronger.
What?
They're not stronger.
You're not.
No, women aren't stronger.
Women are stronger.
So you think that you can take on any man in this room?
I just said women aren't stronger.
Oh, I thought you said R. R.
Okay, did you hear R?
Okay, okay.
I was just curious.
All right, all right.
Last thing, there's more notes for you, but I'm going to try to reel in some other people in the conversation.
The last thing before you tell us about your cult is you say modern dating is a scam.
Men are demons.
Feminine energy runs the world.
You've transcended dating, and you're in a cult focused on world liberation, domination.
Actually, you know what?
We're going to save the cult thing, but you said modern, let's at least address the modern dating as a scam.
Men are demons.
Feminine energy runs the world.
Why don't you tell us about the demon thing?
Oh man, let me just think about the things I've seen.
I've just like seen so much grimy behavior, like complete slime balls.
There's a lot of slime balls out there.
Yeah, exactly.
Like the whole ghosting thing is like, I don't know.
I don't understand how they don't have that drive to like want to like socially connect.
Like, they literally are just okay with, like, the physical attitude.
Wait, are you saying, like, after you have sex with a guy, he just...
Yeah, they just dip out every time.
The hidden queen.
He hasn't quitted it.
Hidden quick.
Why do you keep allowing them to do that?
I mean, I don't know.
It's like hard to even say because I've been on this like grind for like so long.
It's like I'm like trying to uproot like old like memories and stuff.
But do you think the way that you open yourself up to men generally like is if a hookup, do you think that that's gonna attract men to have something struggle with you?
No, I don't.
I don't, I don't, are you used to, but it's just like a lack of understanding.
It's like if they show you love, then you recept, like you receive that love and you hope that you're not.
But I feel like also a lot of men like look for that self-respect and women.
You know what causes a misdiagnosis of mental disorder?
Drug use.
These ego fucking cruise bomb.
Wait, can I say something really quick?
Sure, go ahead.
Okay, because it's only been bothering me this whole time.
I never want to glamorize using drugs or anything like that because if you actually do research on drugs, I mean, I haven't done a lot, but with like shrooms and like stuff like that, you're supposed to wait like six months to a year in between doing like each dose.
So if you're doing them all the time, you're overstimulating that dopamine in your brain.
And then that's why you become fried.
Yeah, but I mean, like, also, okay, I don't condone doing psychedelics alive.
That's just like, that's really intense.
But doing drugs, period, if you're doing them like a drink.
Drugs cool, totally unrelated.
If you're doing them once a week, or even once every two weeks, or even once a month, or even like once every four months, like it's welcome to the whatever dare it's like you're supposed to wait like I wait like a year in between doing them.
It depends on the person.
I don't know.
Like if you if you it's not good.
Here, here's what we're gonna do.
Jake has finally arrived.
So we're gonna have to do a little switching.
Hang tie for just a sec, Jake.
So what we're gonna do, I think the easiest thing, could we have, I think we're gonna swap one of you.
Are you down to just get in that pullout chair over there?
Me?
No.
You can.
Can you get in that pull-up chair over there?
I'm gonna have you two scoot down and then Jake is gonna take this seat.
We're doing a little switch-up, guys.
Doing a little switcheroo.
Jake has arrived.
He's he's uh what's it called?
He made it through the treacherous rainstorms and flooding.
The flooding of the colour I'm sorry, are you wearing socks?
There wasn't any flooding.
Good evening, everybody.
Good evening.
I'm Jake.
Nice to meet you.
How are you all doing?
Jake, we're gonna be leg to leg here.
It's a big panel today.
Dreams come true.
It's on the big panel.
Is that okay?
Can I hold on my lap?
Can I hold on my lap?
Yeah, no, that's not a good one.
Holy perfect.
Let's stop.
I think that's what we're doing.
Okay, guys, we have Jake here.
Jake, why don't you introduce yourself, name, age, occupation?
So, Jake, Rattlesnake TV, YouTuber, and 28 years old.
All right, welcome, welcome.
Where do you live?
I don't live anywhere.
Wherever I lay my hat's my home at the moment.
Okay.
In Mexico for the minute, but in Santa Barbara for three nights, and then we'll see.
Oh, sweet.
Welcome, welcome.
So were you, you were listening to the stream while you were driving, correct?
I was.
I was.
I was taking mental notes.
So, raise your hand if you are a demisexual.
Yeah, I didn't even know what that word was until today.
I didn't even know.
What is that?
Can someone explain it to me?
What is that?
When you will only have sex with someone when you have an emotional mental bond with them.
It's when you're normal in a genuine connection.
I don't expect you to be.
Well, you just don't hook up with people, basically.
Is it a preference?
Like, that's your main preference.
Like, you're not attracted to people's skin?
Like people's looks and stuff?
No.
Raise your hand if you're a femcell, man-repellent.
Isn't it these two?
Or no, you're not femcell.
You're just celibate.
Okay.
Okay.
There's no such thing as femcelle.
No such thing as femme.
What else was my notes?
Someone's a dog.
You're a dog.
I am.
And who is saying that they want a Christian monarchy?
Oh, what?
He's sugar.
All right.
All right.
What up?
Sweet.
All right.
So I have some more pre-show notes here.
We're going to switch it up.
We're going to go to Ivory here.
Ivory, you're an exotic dancer and you do OnlyFans.
Yes, I do.
It is.
What?
When I asked the political question, did you say liberal?
No, I said.
Oh, in your pre-show notes, you said you were liberal.
I used to be liberal, but then obviously everything that's going on that everybody knows about Biden and Trump, like I'm leaning more towards Trump.
Don't hate me, don't hate me, don't hate me.
Don't hate me.
But like for real.
For real.
For real.
But no, like in between, I guess.
Now you're leaning towards Trump.
Tell me.
The fact that life wasn't so shitty for me.
Sorry, was I supposed to.
Here, you said it's really sad.
I should have never gone through what I went through in relationships with men.
They should have never been that dishonest, disloyal, disrespectful, manipulative.
Like it's crazy.
Why do all that's that's so extra?
Just break up.
Why do all that, that?
Why do all that?
That's so extra, just break up.
Yeah, exactly.
Like, if you're gonna be so extra and like hurt me in the end, just don't even talk to me in the first place.
I hate that.
Like, it's pointless.
I'm really looking for somebody to be with and like grow my life with, get money together, get jobs, do this, see this, move, have, like, I'm really on that.
So, don't waste my time.
But, like, like, she had said, one of them had said earlier, like, when you're looking, you're not going to get what you're actually looking for.
No, I wasn't looking.
I wasn't even looking, and I have my boyfriend now.
Now, you have kind of a shared thing with her.
You said your current boyfriend put you in the ER and you had to wear what for a week?
I had to wear diapers for a week.
And why is that?
So, I do OnlyFans, and my boyfriend and I were just practicing some things just to see what we could do for some content.
And he's huge, and I prefer that.
You prefer large penises.
Do you prefer BLM?
I practice.
Hey, you know what?
People are entitled to their preferences.
I like Big Labia.
You like Big Dick.
It's all fair.
It's literally like the hugest I've ever seen in my life.
Is it a BBC?
But he's on stage.
No, he's white, y'all.
He's white.
He's a white eyes representing.
He's a white tall guy.
Is he with you?
I kind of want to dabble off like my Caucasian.
What's up?
He'll be here later if you want to meet him.
My Caucasian.
No, I really appreciate him because he funded this whole entire trip for me.
Like, he brought me here and made this happen.
That's beautiful.
Yeah, but anyways.
So I prefer large, you know.
And so I was telling him to.
Are you a size queen?
Do you consider yourself a size queen?
A science queen?
Size queen.
A size queen.
Oh.
Size queen.
It's like a girl who do you consider yourself size?
What are you talking about?
You've never heard.
Has anybody here heard the term size queen?
I have.
There's even more.
It's a woman who strongly prefers or can only date men in a giant.
No, no.
Big dis.
What about if it's a little misty jail?
No.
Unfortunately, that's just what I would have to be stuck with.
Really?
Yeah.
If love is love, love is love.
And so, but you, in your pre-show notes, you said, you know, you guys were going at it.
Okay, yeah, anyways.
Okay, let me continue.
Yeah, go ahead.
But anyway, so we were just practicing, and I love heart, or obviously I love it when it's hard.
But anyway, so I was telling him to do the most, like all the extra stuff, and I didn't know he accidentally gave me a perineal tear until the next day.
A perineal tear is like a tear from like the entrance, and then like it's just like that skin.
Like this, like it's not the actual like.
You guys call that a gooch, we call that a gooch.
Like when you get like it's just kind of like split because like because okay, I'm kind of like, I'm just too small and he's too big, basically.
Homegirl gave us a burden.
But yeah, so I couldn't stop painting my pants for like a week.
I had to be in diapers.
Nice.
And then just waiting.
I had to use like lidocaine jelly every single day and like put lidocaine jelly on it every single day because I really, really hurt.
I couldn't even wipe.
I had to dab.
Good times.
And you told, despite the pain, you were telling him to like go.
I didn't even feel it.
I did not feel it happen until the next day.
There's a joke from Andrew Scholz.
Do you know Andrew Schultz?
He's got a joke when, you know, like, have you girls ever told a guy to go to go deeper?
Like, deeper.
Yes.
Here's the thing, ladies.
There's no more dick.
Like, there's no more dick to go.
Like, it just stops.
We can't just like bring out more dick to go.
Credit to Andrew Schultz.
I mean, roll it out.
Yeah, roll out an extra bit unless you got that pelvis pill.
Like, that's.
It's clicking and everything.
It's just like a bunch of finish.
Yeah, it's like deeper.
That's all I got.
Sorry.
That's when you switch positions.
Yeah, that's when you lift up at our legs.
Word.
Okay, good talk.
Okay.
You said, let's see.
There was this one girl.
You will not name names out of yours.
Oh my god, I will not.
In college that I became besties with a couple months after being friends with her, we found out we both did the basketball team at school.
So we had a threesome with one of them because we were fucking them anyways.
Was this in high school or in college?
In college, yeah.
Is it D1?
Okay, let me just clarify.
I was not messing with the whole basketball team.
I was just being dramatic.
I literally messed with like two of them on the basketball team over the course of going to school at the time.
Basketball team.
She did the whole basketball team.
Oh, you did half.
I did half.
She did the whole.
Okay, so.
But this was a year ago.
How many people are on the basketball team?
Do you think from these best teams?
Listen, okay.
First of all, I did two.
Nick.
She did the whole, and together, basically, that's all of it.
Do you think what I mean?
Do you think from these people?
But anyway, how men might be taking advantage of you sometimes?
Oh, yeah.
No, no, no.
That was the biggest life lesson for me.
I don't do shit like that no more.
I don't like it.
But I was just going through like a college, like, oh, YOLO phase and thinking that it would be fun and stuff.
No, I didn't.
I'm done with that kind of stuff.
I'm good.
Sorry, I'm trying not to say shit.
No, you can.
That's fine.
I can.
Say that shit.
Yeah, that's cool.
Oh, okay, period.
That's cool.
Let's, yeah.
Oh, I was just going to tell a story, but about the basketball team?
I mean, I get it.
Any other sporting teams you've had?
Done the entire roster.
Okay, I did used to go to the University of Portland, and there was a couple guys on that basketball team, and it's a D1 athlete team.
This was three years ago, y'all.
Chill.
Three.
Three years ago.
So you traded three years ago?
No.
Any soccer teams?
Uh-uh.
No, okay, let me finish.
But these basketball players were like specifically from like Saudi Arabia and like Egypt.
I think you and Aaron kind of have similar parallels when it comes to like not, oh, sorry, similar parallels when it comes to not being able to quite see who's being dishonest and who's not being dishonest.
No, I totally understand that, but I'm saying that this is these are experiences from years ago, and I've definitely learned a lot from them, and I don't do anything close to that kind of stuff.
I definitely can tell that you're starting to notice patterns, but I also think that you're developing like a defense mechanism that's a little more on the extroverted side.
Like, what do you mean exactly?
Can you please clarify on that?
The way she kind of develops a defense mechanism is by kind of like staring off.
Okay, we're talking about me, though.
I know.
With you, I think it's more so just kind of like you're ready for someone to attack you or to shame you.
You're ready for someone to put you in.
No, honestly, that is honestly trauma from my dad.
No, yeah.
Only because, like, okay, so let me clarify, y'all.
Let me clarify.
My dad doesn't talk to me anymore.
He does not want anything to do with me because of like I'm a dancer and do only fans, which is totally understandable.
I get that.
But I've just recently started to have nightmares.
Like I've had nightmares this past week.
My dad being the main character telling me that nicknick, hold on.
What?
No, I know.
Just I'm not trying to.
The angle that we were trying to get back into the chair.
So the only like, I really don't feel that way by anybody else except that one experience that I've had with my dad and only because I value his opinions way more than these little boys.
That's valid.
And I think what do you think might be stalling you from like meeting your dad's expectations, to put it as delicately as possible?
I'm on my own.
Do you think you could move back in with your parents or your dad?
Absolutely not.
Like I'm completely on my own.
Like my family does not want anything to do with me.
So I have to figure out what I need to do for myself in order to survive and I can't be depressed and sad every day because it's already been a year.
And I literally just started developing nightmares from it this past week.
Like I need to move on.
It's true.
A yo dream kitchen my home.
You said your ex still had the 12,000 phones.
Oh my god, not 12,000, but 1200.
So I have this bummy.
I have this bummy ex, okay, who still lives at his mommy's house, works at a gas station, likes to brag about working at a gas station.
Okay, sure.
But I brought him, I bought him a brand new phone last year because he was using like an iPhone 8 and like my love language is gift giving.
So I got him the new iPhone 14 Pro Max when it had just come out.
Yeah, anyways, we're broken up.
Oh, that's the same thing.
That was last year.
But like we broke up like a couple months after I got him that phone and I still want that back.
So if you're watching this guy, he still requests $40 for me on Venmo.
Like how bummy can you get?
Okay.
All right.
Cool.
There's another thing you wrote here, but we'll come back to that a little later on in the show.
Who's Les?
This is Les.
Oh, Les.
Okay.
You said you had...
Oh, God.
Okay, here we go.
You said you had a guy ask to send you a what kind of video for how much?
He wanted me to send him a video of me, you know, like fisting myself.
How do you know?
For $12,000, you guys.
It went from the price he started at, price he started at was $6,000.
And every time that I said no, or like, I can't, I don't feel comfortable, like, all this, the price would just go up, go up, go up.
Eventually, he actually, like, a couple weeks back, ended up sending me a video of another girl and was like, look, look how easy it is.
And sent me a video of another girl doing it, but yeah.
So you didn't do it?
Did you?
You know, for $12,000, I should have.
You didn't have to.
But I did not.
You should not have been manipulated into doing something you were uncomfortable with because somebody is holding a dollar amount over your head.
That's insane.
$12,000.
Listen, it costs an average $13,000 refunds.
They're not going to send you that fucking money no matter how much they promise it.
He did send me a sum of money.
And did he refund it?
What was it about?
What do you mean?
Like, did he get it bounced back?
No, I kept it.
How much?
$12,000 is a lot more.
No, not $12,000.
I did not get $12,000.
I got a sum of money for other things.
Thanks he had asked me for.
I'm just saying, like, bear in mind.
They might do that.
Thank you for the $20,000.
So what was stopping you from doing that compared to the other stuff?
I just don't sell my lower extremities like that in general.
Like, I am on OnlyFans, but I just don't put myself out there like that.
There's no pussy pics, is what you're saying?
No, yeah, no.
Do you do nudity or no?
Yeah.
I mean, I post stuff that's very conservative.
If you wanted to take it to the private channel.
You post conservative stuff on OnlyFans.
Not the word for it.
Relatively, okay.
As much as you can.
As much as you can.
But if they want to take it to the private DM, but it's just not something I'm posting for everyone to be able to buy and see.
And the fact that he had sent me a video of another girl doing it already told me you're going to take my video and use it for another female.
And I do not feel comfortable with that.
I mean, that's, yeah.
Okay.
Just typical OnlyFans things.
Good times.
You said the toxic, you wanted to talk about toxic abusive relationships, which we did sort of talk about a little bit.
You said, ladies, know your worth.
The toxic shit isn't cute.
It's actually very degrading, and you know you deserve better than that bullshit.
Yeah.
But I've seen these videos on TikTok where women will admit to being attracted to toxic men and toxic behaviors, toxic relationships.
No, definitely.
Did you fall into that?
No, I don't think I'm, I don't really say I'm attracted to the toxicity.
When I fell into that toxic relationship, I was not at all expecting it to end up the way it was.
And now, like, if I start seeing any other toxic relationship or something with any other man, it's immediately like red flag.
No, I'm not doing it.
Because genuinely, the toxic, it takes a toll on you as a person.
And it really isn't cute.
It's degrading.
What do you mean?
I'm sorry.
What are the signs that you see of a toxic man?
Like a man like who would like yell at you, raise his voice at you, say out of just out of pocket things, like call you names.
Like I find it like even when he's mad, someone who cannot control themselves when they are mad at you, even though they're mad.
Like if you're speaking to me disrespectfully while you're mad, to me it is like that's how you're viewing me.
Like that's what you think of me.
Is this your current complicated situationship?
No.
Oh, he treats you well?
Very well, yeah.
Okay.
Treat you well.
Interesting.
It's unfamiliar, yeah.
How long did you stay with the guy who was mistreating you?
Five years.
Okay.
Do you think the excitement was what sort of kept you running back?
No, I genuinely think it was like a trauma bond.
Like I got with him so young.
He was pretty much all I had known.
I guess that kind of also ties into some daddy issues I might have.
So do you think it was the excitement that got your emotional juices flowing?
I don't know.
It was a lot of push and pull.
So I don't know if it was excitement or if it was just, oh, I'm like bonded, like trauma bonded to him.
When you have this new guy who you said treats you very well, do you feel like there's something missing?
Like some sort of exasperation that's missing on your part?
No.
It's no.
Not boring at all?
I mean, I get bored sometimes and I'll like pick like a small like little fight.
Like just bicker with me for a second.
Like just bicker with me for a second and then let me prove that like I'm right.
Like let me prove my point.
But once that's over, I'm like, okay, like I'm done.
That's cool.
So he sounds like he knows how to handle it.
He does, yeah.
That's cool.
That's good.
Very patient.
Okay.
I'm literally sweating.
Is anybody else here a little toasty?
Yeah, nearly unbearable.
Nick, could you just crack the door open a little bit so we get some air going?
Is there going to be source room?
Yeah, that's fine.
So I wanted to bring it to Meow DeLin.
Meow.
Meow DeLin.
Meow.
You said, you had a story about how in college, like, this guy asked you out and he was very gentlemanly.
Would you like to tell us about that?
I'd love to.
There was this moment in college where I was asked out by this guy in theater and I wasn't attracted to him necessarily, not his fault, but he had the balls to ask me out and he actually asked me on a date.
That's something that is very rare, I think, at least in my experience.
And I think in general, it feels like nobody asks on dates.
People want to date you.
They say, do you want to be my girlfriend?
Do you want to be my boyfriend?
Not may I court you and take you on a date?
And I thought that was really lovely.
So he picks me up, he takes me to the venue, and as soon as we get there, genuinely not with any kind of anxiety, very just upfrontly, he goes, are you interested in anybody right now?
And I said, well, at the time, yes, I was.
And he said, hey, I don't want to get in the way of that.
Why don't we just spend time here, have some fun, and then know nothing is attached or anything.
And it was such a refreshing experience because it made me realize men aren't stupid.
Men are not dumb.
Men are not even to be expected to be operating at a lower level than I find them capable to be or that I should expect them to be.
Because this was an experience that I had whenever I was in college.
And so it was incredibly refreshing to feel as though I was seen, not as a woman, at least in that moment, but as a genuine equal, as in a partnership, somebody wanted a partnership with me, and then I rejected it, and they still paid for dinner.
And since I have grown older, it is just more and more that I find that rejection equals anger, equals unsafety for me.
And it makes it so that I am not comfortable even putting myself in any kind of situation like that in the future, you know?
So you're saying that you would like a gentlemanly man, somebody who courts you, takes you on a date, all of these sorts of things?
Absolutely.
I'm a little bit in two minds here because I can hear what you're saying, but then I can see that you're dressed as a cat.
I'm a dog.
Do you call yourself a dog?
Wolf, yes.
Nick, could you open that door more?
Perhaps hindering that a little bit?
The fact that you.
So I don't deserve respect because I'm dressing like an animal?
I don't deserve to be treated like a person.
Do you think that that might be a deterrent for a man who is more traditional if you're dressing like a dog?
No, because I'm not out seeking anything traditional.
I was simply reflecting on a college experience that I was.
So you're not seeking that sort of person?
I appreciate that kind of person.
I'm not seeking anything specifically.
I don't seek people.
I don't know.
I'm not.
So when you look at a relationship, are you looking at like a pet owner?
type relationship or like two dogs in the relationship or what's your ideal?
A partner who loves and respects me and sees me as an equal that I am.
But you see yourself as an actual dog, right?
You said you like to go play fetch.
Woof, yes.
So how does that tie into your relationship?
Like what are you looking for if you're a dog?
I'm looking for somebody to throw me a ball and then also say, oh, hey, I appreciate you, you know, bringing in a financial amount to the situation.
I appreciate you having your own thoughts and theories about the world around you and not somebody who sees me as an animal.
I think the issue is that men have a difficult time seeing women in submissive positions without overbearing power toward them.
And especially that can lead into like, okay, you see me and a man sees me wearing a dog collar and he's like, oh, I want to tug on that.
Are you wearing that collar for me?
Are you saying that the dog thing isn't a sexual fantasy?
It's not a fancy.
Not in any way.
It is.
It's a submissive sexual fantasy.
Are you a Therian?
No, no.
No, I think I think.
Like, do you identify as like other kin?
Why would I do that?
I mean, it's a little bit of an outward appearance.
that she enjoys doing the issue is that it's a valid man who wants a more traditional outlook in life typically this is going to welcome men who have that fetish as you already know And it's not necessarily like, I hated when men sexualize everything, but unfortunately, like if they see a mentally unwell woman, they're not going to think traditional relationship.
They're going to think, I'm going to be able to get quick sex and then run away before she goes crazy.
That's their mindset.
Yeah, so I think that, although obviously you look really cute and all of that jazz, there is like, as you were mentioning, like a sort of cognitive dissonance where it's like you're portraying something that doesn't elicit the type of men that you want.
Yeah.
I think there's a submission.
I'm also not looking.
I am not actively looking.
I talk about how I'm voluntarily celibate and how that's something that I'm not interested in.
So I find the friendships that I, that like cross my path in a very similar way to what she was talking about, where whenever men find out that I'm not interested in sex, they don't want to be friends.
I understand why somebody would sexualize me and then upon, hey, I actually don't like you like that, they wouldn't want to be friends.
It's just annoying in the fact where it's like, well, shoot, I'm not even going to be open to that in general.
It's just unnecessary.
Is this a long-term thing for you?
Yes.
The dog thing?
Yes.
You see you're taking this into your relationships one day?
It's been a part of my life my whole life.
And so do you think that this should factor in when you're thinking about the kind of man that you want to be with?
Like before, you haven't thought about that?
You just want someone to accept you for the dog?
No, I want somebody to hold me accountable for my actions and decisions that I make.
And if I'm putting off an image that is inappropriate, then I trust that.
Whenever my family first saw me doing social media, I've never engaged in OnlyFans.
I've never engaged in cam work.
But because of the fact that I'm wearing animal ears, there is a misconception because in the porn age.
So you've never done any OnlyFans?
No.
Okay, well that changes a little bit because it could actually be a phase and it's not something that's an overt sexual relationship.
It's interesting that I like specify.
Exactly.
It is not a sexual kink whenever I specify it's been a part of my life forever.
It is a lifestyle that I live.
I am the kid that was at school playing wolves on the park, you know what I mean, on the playground.
Do you think there'll come a time when that has to subside for more adult duties?
I think even in private relationships, there's women who basically say, I'm a fairy, I'm a mermaid, I'm this, but in private relationships, that's expressed only with a partner.
I think in your case, you're kind of publicizing that.
I don't think it's necessarily out of the ordinary to be like, oh, I'm this imaginary creature or I'm this animal.
Exactly.
Exactly.
I'm with a partner.
There's no cognitive dissonance for me in who I am or my regard and my role with people.
It's not like that.
So is it you think you're like genetically your biology is canine or is it the fact that you just take that upon yourself?
It's definitely a personality thing.
I'm very dog-ish and I've always been that way.
I've always identified.
What breed of...
What breed do you think I am, Brian?
Look at...
Look at my ears.
Look at my spots.
What do you think?
A cheetah?
Dalmatian.
I'm not cheetah.
Girl, did you just say cheetah?
It's a Dalmatian.
A purple Dalmatian.
Dalmatian.
I'm a purple Dalmatian, yes.
A lavender Dalmatian.
Okay.
Yes.
I genuinely want to know, like, what traits of yours do you have that made you realize that you're a dog?
Wag and tail, like, I think there's meaningful.
I think there might be a misconception that there was a good girl.
Closer to the mics, please.
I never realized that I was a dog.
It is simply a lifestyle choice.
Whenever you are young, you engage in play.
We play pretend.
We play house.
There's somebody who's the mom.
Oh, I want to be the dad.
I want to be the daughter.
I wanted to be the dog from the time I was in preschool.
And it was a very exciting thing for me.
I get what she's saying.
Okay, so like when you choose a character on like, I don't know what I'm talking about.
Warcraft.
Yeah, so basically this is her character for life.
Yeah, she like it's perma.
Like you can't re-roll.
Like there's no re-rolling.
Yeah.
You can't like, she can't even change like the type of breed of dog.
Like she can't change.
That's actually, you would be impressed with my ear collection.
Oh, you do sometimes.
Oh, I can switch up my breed.
Okay.
I go both ways so I can like that.
Going back.
Going non-binary dope.
Can we please see you wag that tail?
Speech is not speeches.
Wait, hold on.
You have a tail?
Yeah.
Yes, can she please wag it?
Wait, hold on.
I do have a question because people who are like, do that shit for kinks, like, you know, like, I'm aware of that.
And it's gross.
To me, it's frustrating.
It's not inside of you, like the...
Do you want it to be?
Wait, wait, wait.
No.
No, I'm asking you.
No.
Like, these fucking.
Yeah, yeah, I get it.
These fucking animal people, they'll wear tails and it's actually bugging.
Let me get this straight.
Authorion is silly, but me and I'm a dog is not.
You want to be treated as human while identifying as animal.
Do you really not see why you would deter a healthy partner?
See, like, I actually do.
Do you want to respond to this?
Yeah, I suppose I'm a little confused in this quest for a healthy partner.
I am very satisfied with the friendships and platonic partnerships in my life of people who support me and my endeavors and I support them.
I'm not seeking anything, so I think it's very strange that I should be altering parts of myself that I am completely comfortable with that I don't have any kind of moral like high ground or like confusion with.
An aesthetic choice for a healthy partner because there is an assumption that, okay, I'm crazy, I'm out of out of touch, or there's misconceptions.
A huge misconception in the way that I dress, people assume that I do sex work.
That's a huge misconception.
But is that going to stop me from wearing pastel colors?
No, just because the e-girl brand normalized wearing pastel colors and cat ears on the internet, suddenly I'm not allowed to express myself in the way that I choose, it's very, without there being a sexual expectation, is very sad.
Well, I mean, it's not clear to me, I mean, if you've actually even said that you're necessarily even looking for a traditional guy, I'm assuming you've been.
Yeah, so I mean, I don't know if that's a fair statement for them to make.
I don't even think that you're arguing that I deserve X sort of treatment, but I think the point that they're trying to make is, could your outward presentation when it comes to your appearance and your aesthetic, could that perhaps, you know, some people might take quarrel with that and not want to date you?
I assume the answer is yes.
I think you don't care.
the trade-off your trade-off is well I like to dress this way and the men who will like me will like me and that's that but I didn't want to get back to the story that you said about this guy who you while you were kind of already I was interested in somebody else Were you dating him or just interested?
I was just interested.
So it wasn't reciprocal from the other guy.
No, from the other guy at the time in college, it was, but it was a long distance thing.
So it was just, you know, you were kind of not emotional.
I was emotionally invested in somebody else.
You were not emotionally available for somebody else.
And so he asked me up front and I was up front with him.
But okay, so you still went on the date and you went on the date with him.
Oh, yeah, because he asked when we got to the venue, he asked about that.
He was like, are you emotionally looking for anybody else in that regard?
And he was cool with it.
He's like, hey, we can still just have a nice little dinner and just keep things friendly.
Were you having sex with the other guy?
Absolutely not.
Oh, okay.
Interesting.
Was the other guy as gentlemanly and kind and gracious as the guy who you kind of friend-zoned?
Yes.
Okay.
Okay, all right.
It was a genuine just mismatch, and I just did not see you like that in the same way you saw me.
Okay.
Gotcha.
I thought kind of the way you initially told us the story in the DMs, I thought perhaps that, you know, this guy did all the right things.
He's being a gentleman, but he ultimately at the end of the day got friend zoned and got curved.
Well, he did.
That is the story.
He did all the right things.
He asked me on a date.
He didn't know anything about me.
We had one class together in college.
He doesn't know if I'm dating anybody.
He doesn't know anything about me besides my name and what I look like.
So when I say, oh, you want to take me on a date?
Okay, I'm not dating anybody.
I'm not seeing anybody.
Simply because I'm emotionally investing in somebody else who is a thousand million miles away doesn't mean that I'm going to close myself off to experiences local to me.
Sure.
I think that's fire.
Some more pre-show notes from you.
You said looks are only important on first impressions.
Can you expand on that a little bit?
What do you mean by that?
I think maintaining a level of aestheticism in your relationship is very valid, especially for making your partner feel valuable.
If you wake up every day and you brush your hair and put on a clean shirt, your partner is going to be, oh, oh, I want to put on a clean shirt too.
I want to brush my hair too.
And so I think that as far as first looks go, when you meet somebody for the first time, you're enchanted with their look, their aesthetic, their build.
And that is what draws you in.
But after that, it's like a matter of getting to know that person.
It's a matter of, oh, the longer I look at you, you have this smile line right here and you have this freckle right here.
So the more in love you can become with somebody's looks, the longer you are interested in them or court them or whatever is very fair.
But as far as general physical appearance, I think it's a bizarre notion to think that, oh, I have to maintain a certain level for a partner.
Well, this is a perfect segue.
We have Stiffler here.
Ask everyone to rate their looks on a scale of one to ten.
So rate your own looks.
11.
Own looks.
Well, we'll start with you and then we'll go around the table.
Go ahead.
Maybe like a seven, eight.
Okay.
Closer to Mike.
Go ahead.
This is hard because like, I mean, I have like such different moods and different personalities that like, if I'm feeling manic, I think I'm like a million.
But if I'm like depressed, I think I'm like a negative one.
What about right now?
Yeah, how you feeling right now?
Right now?
Arson Princess.
Arson Princess.
All right.
Like, I've been on the sick one for, like, two weeks.
So, right now, we in our, you know, I'm feeling sick right now.
You've been sick?
No, like, you know, I'm on a sick one.
What the hell is that?
Sick one.
She's dope.
In Australia, oh, yeah, she's sick.
Sick means, like, sick in Australia.
So, like a sick cunt.
Yeah, yeah.
Americans can't say it.
Americans can't say.
Wait, so one to ten.
Okay, one to ten.
Shoo, I gotta be like a little bit humble.
Okay, like it.
Nah, it's like not.
No, no, yeah, yeah, yeah.
You got it.
Ten.
You can do it.
We can do it.
You got it.
Wait, ten?
We had Sam.
You just had got to be a little humble.
Okay, guys, let's see that switch over my mind.
Okay, whatever.
Yeah, yeah.
She's 10, she's 10.
She's a talent.
She's a talent.
11.
I'm very attractive.
What about you?
9.
Okay.
I'd say like a 7 or an 8.
Oh, she needs to stop.
My boyfriend would be upset with me if I didn't say 10.
Your boyfriend would be upset with you if you didn't say you're a 10.
So what do you think you are?
What do you think I am?
Let's say your boyfriend dumped you right now.
And you're filming.
I'm free to do whatever you wish.
Don't say that.
Now, if your boyfriend never heard this, what would you say if you were in a quiet dark room by yourself?
Seven.
Seven?
Oh, okay.
All right.
What about you?
A nine.
Okay.
And if you're out the back there, you gotta just creep into a microphone.
I'd say probably a seven.
Seven?
Okay.
I like really fucked up my hair cutting it.
It looks good.
Don't say that.
It looks good.
Otherwise, I would have said eight like a month ago, but now I'll go with like a 6.9.
6.9.9.
I look way better in person than on camera, I'll be honest.
I didn't see you back there.
I'm a four on a good day.
Four on a good day, okay.
All right.
A 3.14.
Oh, come on.
Pie?
Pie?
You got the attractiveness of pie, though.
Pie is so attractive.
I give myself a safe seven, but I feel like I'm being a bit too cocky after hearing you guys.
A 3.14.
What's yours, Brian?
Five.
Five.
I give myself a five.
Yeah, she.
I swear you were a seven or seven.
I swear you were a seven when I first came in.
Wait, Kayla said, yeah?
Okay.
All right.
Mid white guy, there you go.
Cool.
Like last July.
Nah, so like, I used to say six.
I used to say six, six point nine on a good day, but I gained weight.
I got a dad bot right now, so I can't claim six no more.
I feel like you can death claim a six.
I feel like you can def claim a six.
Yeah, I got a six foot two.
They're saying I was brand shadows.
Nah, not a dad bots.
Maybe some women are ten.
Yeah, that's coach.
Yeah, it's coach.
Dad bots in it.
A lot of buds are in.
Nah, I'd rather be physically fit.
I'm chilling on that.
You should be, but yeah.
Women have different scales.
You're like a 12.
Oh, thanks.
Y'all are generous.
All right, 3.14.
She normally does, though.
It should have been 3.14.
Oh, no, 4.
Serious.
Wait, so.
Wait.
Are you the only 10?
Is she the only 10?
No, 11.
She's 11.
Oh, she's an 11.
Okay, well, no, you're good.
I'm not going to rate you, but you're not an 11.
Okay.
No, Brian, can you please tell me at least?
Yeah, just rate us.
Rate us.
Can we just go around the table?
No, first of all, I like how he called me out out of everybody else because all of you voted lower than you actually physically are.
No, they didn't.
They were just being truthful.
These two were voted lower than they are, but everyone else was rather truthful except the other tens.
Was there any other tens?
I would rank.
She was a tens.
Oh, she was a ten.
You were in two minds, though.
I didn't believe you anyway.
So when you say 11, do you think that there's any room for improvement?
Do you think that you have any room for improvement?
I think I think aging is one of the most beautiful things that we do as people, like existing.
I'm 27, right?
I am.
And so I'm a good age.
I don't think even a matter of how different I looked three years ago versus now.
I love aging and I'm excited for the process of aging.
And I find you're excited to age.
I am.
We're all marching steadily towards the grave.
So three years ago, you were better than you are now or worse?
I was the same but different.
I find it like dissonant because I don't change any personal habits of grooming or otherwise whenever it comes to how I do my hair or how I cold myself, but definitely, okay, I have nicer fitted clothes now that I actually make more money than when you say 11, are you thinking about it in your eyes or are you thinking about it in like the broader society of like what other people would probably consider you as well?
So you think that you generally are beautiful.
You are incredibly the standard basically.
Thank you.
I think that this is why girls aren't very good friends to each other sometimes.
If I had a friend telling me that he's a 10 and he's not, I'd just tell the guy.
Not a 10.
You're a bit delusional.
I feel like I'm not a little bit more.
Hold on, hold on a second.
When you say you're an 11, as you said, that is the top, top percentile.
Like that is Victoria's Secret supermodel.
Why is Hadith's secret the standard of Liberia?
Because they're considered some of the most beautiful women in the world.
They're pretty fine.
Maybe in like 2017.
That's my first pastor.
I'm a little confused on your face.
Rihanna, like Ponder Replay, her face would be like 10.
We're talking about itself there.
You're talking about the aging it.
Yeah, because nobody, I feel like in this generation of younger women, nobody's thinking like, oh, Rihanna's the beauty standard.
They're thinking like Cardi B. Even like you're a little bit more.
Are you calling me old?
I'm one year older than you.
Honey, I'm telling you that it's showing.
I'm telling you that your preferences of their nice preferences are.
So you think that me having a preference for Rihanna Ponderplay is showing my age?
It seemed as though.
That's not a bad.
It's not a Jeff, huh?
No, you in this one.
She's just calling you hip.
She's calling you Hip.
Calling me Hip, you're kind of like deflecting.
You're kind of deflecting from the actual conversation at hand by questioning his awareness of modern musicians.
Ultimately, we are talking about rating, and you rated yourself an 11.
You rated yourself a 10.
Again, I'm not particularly...
Can you guys stop interrupting, please?
I'm not particularly inclined to actually rate any of you, but those of you who claim to be a 10 or 11 in your case, there's no 10 sitting at this table.
Is that supposed to hurt my feelings?
No, I'm not.
I mean, is that supposed to be a big mic drop moment?
No, I'm confused.
It's purely just a statement of facts.
I'm not doing it to get a rise out of you or to try to be true.
I'm confused because I think we can all agree that on the topic of how I believe that looks are only important on the first impression, I don't believe that any of us are walking around saying, we need a six foot five man who's 300 pounds of muscle and all that.
What I'm saying is, because I'm being compared to Victoria's Secret models, when in reality, I don't have any barometer of what I don't have any barometer of how I view attractive.
You don't get to dictate to the world how attractive.
You asked me, honey.
You asked me.
But the question, the sense of the question is, is what general, like, how am I generally perceived?
For example, let me ask all the girls here a question.
If a guy who was obese, he was unkempt, didn't groom himself, smoked weed all day, lived at his parents' house, played video games all day, just neck beard, I'm trying to think of other things, five foot five.
I mean, some of these are not really related to physical attractiveness, but if he claimed he was a 10, would you guys like co-sign that and just be like, yeah, he's a 10?
That just makes no sense to me.
Why would I sit there and be like, hey, what do you think you are?
And then somebody say, well, this is how I view myself.
And you go, well, screw you.
You're actually not.
Like, it's just a very slow thing.
It depends if you're having a roundtable conversation about.
But, okay, so am I an overweight older man who has a neck-a-beard who smokes weed and is ungrooming himself?
No, I'm not going to be able to do that.
You make really points.
You make really bad faith, disingenuous arguments.
I don't mean to.
I'm saying, yeah, no, but you're saying, am I calling you that?
No, but I'm trying to use an extreme to try to articulate a point.
We can all agree that some people are more attractive than others, correct?
Yes.
Yes, okay.
Have you girls never rated men on their physical appearance?
Like, physical appearance means nothing to you.
I'm very.
So I said that physical looks.
This started because I made the assertion that I believe physical looks are only important on the first go, and now you're insinuating, do women even like rate men?
I'm confused on how we got here.
I think women don't tend to have as constructive of like a scale of borderline.
I think women don't really have that structured of a scale as men do.
I think that they tend to value, like, for example, you like the bad boys, you like a particular type of woman.
We all have our specific type.
And so, based off of that, is what we're going to consider a 10.
But we don't mean that.
Yeah, it's more based on the type.
Whereas for men, there's a beauty standard set for the world, which is Victoria's Secret model, which is artists.
And that makes sense as to why.
I rated myself a seven.
I think Bohemo's maybe a little bit harsh with the five.
But men, we have to kind of understand that.
Because if I walk around saying I'm a 10 and I'm flawless, then my friends will look at me like you are a delusional idiot.
And this is what girls don't have.
And then you sort of like argue to the gills about the fact, no, I am 11 because of my self-defense.
I'm not telling you.
It doesn't matter about your subjective opinion.
You're simply not attractive.
I have never once been a girl's girl.
Oh my God, you're so pretty.
No, no, no, you're so pretty, Bestie.
Like, I can't stand whenever women have that kind of like attitude, I guess.
This is genuinely not making any sense to me.
This is making no sense to me.
No, this is genuinely not making any sense to me because he asked us what we would rate ourselves.
And then he said, because, well, in his head, there's no Rihanna sitting at this table.
No, no, no.
Hold on, let me finish.
I'm so sorry.
So then he's saying that there's no tens at this table.
All I'm saying is, okay.
Exactly.
In his opinion, there's no Rihanna or there's no Bella Hadid.
So there's no 10 to him at this table.
Precisely.
So I'm perfectly fine.
So then there is a 10 at this table to you.
I'm just very confused by the assertion of the premise that I need to agree and I need to concede.
Okay, fine, I'm really not.
When you asked my honest opinion and I gave my honest opinion, I think physically.
So your honest opinion is you're ranking yourself in 11.
You are on par with the most beautiful women in the world.
There's no women that are more attractive than you.
You're just...
I've never...
I honestly think that's a good idea.
I honestly think that's very beautiful.
I think it's very beautiful for a woman to look at herself and call herself the most beautiful woman.
Okay, okay, but if that is self-totally and utterly unattractive, if a woman looks at herself in the mirror and says, I'm the most beautiful.
Hold on a second.
Hold on.
Stop interrupting.
Go ahead.
If somebody looks at themselves in the mirror and says, I'm the most beautiful woman in the world, you think that that's attractive?
See, that's where you're wrong.
See, that's where you're wrong.
You see, this is why girls shouldn't be friends with each other.
They need brothers and they need to be able to do that.
This is where you're at.
My father always told me that shit.
Yeah, my father figure raised me to know my worth.
And so because I know my value and I'm asserting my value at a table, this is where you're wrong.
This is where you're wrong, though, because I'm not saying that you're looking yourself in the mirror and thinking that your eye shape is perfect, your nose shape is perfect.
But that is what it means to be the most valuable person.
No, no, Being the most beautiful woman in the world, the inside and out, being a woman.
We just said on physical looks.
I know, but she's saying she's.
You can scoot your mic to the edge of the table.
Oh, sorry.
She's saying she's the most beautiful woman in the world.
I mean, if you want to take a tape measure to my waist size, to my lip size, to the way that my nose is my whole life.
I don't have to, because I can look at you and see that you're not a 10.
If a man was to sit here, Les wants to go.
Go ahead.
If a man was to sit here and tell us all he's a 10, all of us knowing damn well he's not a 10, you think us as females is not going to sit here and say, No, because you're females.
No, no, what I'm saying is.
You won't do it because you're not honest.
I will straight up tell you guys 100%, no, you are not a 10.
We're asking for the general population.
Like, I genuinely agree with them because.
Oh, thank you.
Yeah.
If a man wants to sit here in our face and claim that he's a whole 10 when everyone here knows he's not a 10, obviously, like, that's just the general population of what they're thinking.
But you'll probably cut it.
It's just not to yourself.
The dating marketplace determines your value.
Right.
That's God to self-determine.
But do you think there's only your value in terms of that?
But that's how I see myself.
No, but I'm not.
That wasn't the question.
But if we're talking about physical.
We're talking about the dating marketplace.
I'm not talking about your value as a human.
I'm talking about your value in the dating marketplace.
And I think we can all agree there are some potential partners that might be more optimal partner choices than others.
And so we would evaluate that and perhaps rank order them.
Oh, here, look, you have an option of two people.
You find one more attractive.
It could be physical.
It could be personality.
It could be status.
It could be all sorts of things.
You've just made like a some, to some degree, a judgment on that person.
Maybe it's a one and a zero.
It's a yes or a no.
That is a judgment in its own right.
And then if you have enough people leaning more towards giving a yes to, say, person A versus person B, then you can rank order them.
And then if you have 100 people, then you start rank ordering them.
And that would be your value in the dating marketplace.
And we're talking specifically when it comes to just looks.
So what are you asking me now?
No, he's just, he's outlining to you that the fact that this is something that we can actually quantify.
We can quantify people.
Let me ask you a question.
So let's say we lined up 10,000 men.
And those men were all unbiased, and they were all tasked with ranking you on a scale of one to 10.
And if the, I don't know if it would be the mean or the average, but they came to the conclusion that you're a seven.
10,000 men.
Okay.
That's the sample size.
Would you be like, well, that seems pretty reasonable.
10,000 men have rated me.
I must be, I'm likely to be a seven.
Those are 10,000 different worldviews and experiences.
That's 10,000 different people who view different, so that's 10,000 people where one can say, okay, the Victoria's Secret Beauty model is the standard.
And then there's another person that says, oh, actually, the person who's playing on Euphoria or on HBO is actually a beauty standard.
Those both be pretty hard.
So it seems very conf I guess the root of this matter seems very confusing.
What she's trying to say.
Do you want me to admit that I'm unattractive in a way that I don't agree with?
I'm confused.
No, no, no.
We're just simply pointing out the delusion in your view on yourself.
Can I interject?
So when you take 10,000 people.
Hold on.
Let's say that there's like a perfectly even cross-section of the population.
People from all different walks of life.
And they were all to come to the consensus that you were a seven.
Would you accept it?
Are you okay?
Like, why are you so trying to convince me?
No, I'm not sure.
I'm very unconventional.
But why don't you actually answer his question and engage in good faith instead of like trying to say, are you okay?
Who hurt you?
I didn't ask.
I'm confused because I feel very targeted because two other women on this panel also said, oh, I see myself as 10, so why are we not convinced that you're not going to be able to do that?
She said her boyfriend seemed to be as a person.
She walked it back.
And she was just, she was, she, I didn't really believe you would have said it.
She's not really pushing.
I mean, you're encouraged.
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Okay, all right, Grid, one minute.
Don't speak for all of us for real.
Yeah, don't speak for all of us, for real.
Beauty is very subjective, and maybe there's an objective.
Okay, can I say that there is like there is an objective, but that objective changes throughout the world, too.
Like, let's say you go to Africa, they're not going to make it.
Oh, no, no, no.
She's maybe going to go to Africa.
Women that are bigger are typically seen as more attractive over here than we are in Africa.
How about that?
How about if I carve out, let me carve out the caveat.
We'll just talk about the United States.
Let's just talk about that.
That's a better Western.
Yeah, but I don't give a fuck what some tribe, like, I don't care.
Like, we can always try to reach to some extreme.
Like, oh, would like some tribe in fucking fucking Mozambique attractive?
Yeah, dude.
Mozambique bitches fucking think I'm a 10.
Dope, bro.
I don't give a fuck.
I ain't ever going to be able to.
To Mozambique.
Okay, I'm on your side.
I'm on your side.
I know that there is an objective beauty, but I'm saying it can definitely change.
I do get what you're saying.
It's not concrete to Western beauty standards everywhere in the world.
So you're saying, like in Jamaica, for example, they like chubby white girls.
Yeah, you can.
If a chubby white girl goes to Jamaica, she's not safe on the beach.
Right?
I have no idea what their beauty standards are, but I know that there are different beauty standards around the world.
But what I'm saying, okay, and then I wanted to explain to her: look, yes, there is objective beauty standards.
Somebody please get me.
Like, you know, as far as the West goes, right?
The West, you know, as far as the West goes, yes, there are objective beauty standards.
And what they're just trying to say, you know, that's where I got thrown off was because he said you can't dictate to the rest of the world, right, what you are.
That's why I got confused.
I was like, here's another thought experiment.
Let's say we lined up, it could be 10,000 men, 10,000 women.
And then there was 10,000 men and 10,000 women all judging them and rating them and rank ordering them from like, maybe it's easier to like conceptualize this if we use 100.
Let's say you had 100 people in front of you, varying differences when it comes to their physical appearance.
And then we had like 10,000 people all rank ordering them from most attractive to least attractive.
Now, granted, some people might put this person more attractive than this, but I would suspect, and I'm hoping, well, I don't know if you guys will agree on this.
Do you think, though, that there's going to be a cohort of people that tend to be gravitate towards the top?
Like 10,000 people.
I see what you're saying.
I'm understanding that they're all within a margin of error, basically.
Sure, sure.
Because now that we're talking about statistically and like versus like, oh, what do you just casually rate yourself?
I've got enough.
question.
Oh, do you want to respond?
I was going to say, if we're talking about the objective Western beauty standards, if you put a picture of, let's say, Sabrina Carpenter, Paris Hilton, and...
Paris Hilton?
Do you think she's gorgeous?
Back in her day?
Are you crazy?
Back in her day.
She was great.
She is incredible.
Paris is amazing.
Bella Hadid, you said Gigi Hadid, for instance.
I think you said one of the Hadid girls.
I said Rihanna, Ponderiplay.
I said Bella Hadid.
Oh, Rihanna is my idol.
She said Bella Hadid.
But if we're talking objectively, like Western standards, okay, larger lips, higher cheekbones, slimmer jawline, smaller waist, larger tits.
There are facets of my physical being that I align with that.
So it makes sense for my thought pattern to look in the mirror and say, oh, yes, this is what Western beauty standards are telling me is beautiful.
Of course.
Okay, so the thing is, you've been talking for like five minutes.
You started getting emotional.
Everyone started getting emotional.
They're baiting you.
They want you to say yes, sir.
Just say yes, sir.
I'm not baiting anyone.
It's the law, whatever you want to do.
No, Listen, listen.
I'm not baiting anyone.
I'm not going to get any money because I said okay.
It's simply.
Yes, were you talking about it?
No, not yet.
Hold on a second.
Hold on a second.
I'm not baiting anyone.
It's just it's objective that beauty actually operates on somewhat of a bell curve.
Most people are normal.
Is that your code?
Like 70.
No, yes, sir, of course.
Can I interject something?
So about 70, 80% of people are probably going to fall between like the four and seven sort of mark.
And then it's going to really thin out towards the end.
So when we're talking about nines and tens, they, like, if you ever see a 10, they're a head turner.
If you ever see a one, it ruins your day.
Yeah.
What?
I don't think about people like, what?
Yeah, you haven't seen a one then.
Yeah, I tell you.
That's like.
Oh, Dorrenda.
Can I please like interject something?
Yes, please.
So I'm kind of surprised that other people haven't arrived at this already.
But it's, so you guys are seeming to have like a much more logical, objective approach to a beauty standard.
And some of the other girls are holding themselves to a much more loose, less rigid form of beauty.
And it's like, yeah, Montana is just like.
Don't hate the player, hate the game.
I definitely think there's limitations on beauty standards.
No, I understand the difference, but that's why it's a debate because we have our discussion.
And that's the difference between the female brain and the male brain.
It's not a debate if you ask my opinion and then you say, you're wrong, you're wrong.
It's like, why?
I was waiting for the okay, let's go.
Actually, the way the conversation works is you say what you think, I say what I think, I substantiate it with whatever the metrics are that I use, you substantiate it with whatever the metrics are that you use, and then we let everybody decide who's right.
But what happened was I was substantiating and you were just saying, oh, what's wrong with you?
I feel like you're not.
No, I don't know.
No, girl, say okay.
Well, hold on.
I just want to say okay.
Because the reality is I specified, you asked about statistical comparison as far as the beauty standard.
So I specified, okay, are you asking about the size of my lips?
My cheekbones.
Like, I did engage with you equally.
You just didn't like my answer.
And that's okay.
Can I ask you?
Here's a question.
So going back to my previous example, if 10,000 people rated you a seven, would that change your answer?
Or would you say, I reject the estimation of 10,000 people.
I reject that.
I'm still a 10.
Are you going to?
I literally just asked her a question.
Go ahead.
I'm confused.
What is confusing?
If like 100,000 people, we did a poll.
We did a poll, 100,000 people, and they rated you a seven, would that give you any reason to change your self-assessment?
Could your self-assessment be wrong?
Why would I change my self-assessment based on the opinions of other people that don't hit just reality truth?
I think you're reality.
There is some objective scale.
I don't think it matters.
I don't care what 10,000 people may agree at.
We're not saying that she's not going to be able to find a partner.
No, I'm not saying that.
That's not what you are.
I'm saying it's just like rounding 10,000 people to judge her is just never going to happen.
So that's why there's a discipline.
It's a hypothetical.
It just depends what 10,000 people you use too.
Like, literally, she could be someone else.
No, I. If it's like a, what's the term if you're like doing a study and you have like a wide swath of different cross-section of different people?
Yeah.
I mean, 10,000 is such a significant sample size.
That would be a significant sample size.
That's a huge.
A lot of studies, it's like, what, a thousand people?
They'll fucking be able to get fairly accurate results off of like.
I would be grateful to get a seven out of 10,000 people.
I would be grateful for that.
But I think she's objectively a 10.
Like, I actually think she's objectively a 10, though.
I genuinely don't know.
Do you think it's the aesthetic, or do you think it's like, actually, her actual physical appearance?
I think she's a beautiful girl.
We're not saying that she's not attracted.
But I'm not sure.
I know, I know, but a 10, like, I mean, like, I, like, on an objective scale.
Please, answer Mike.
Oh, sorry.
There's definitely limitations on the beauty standard.
Like you guys said, like.
At some point, you can't reach an 8 or a 9 because Rihanna is an 8 or a 9 and you just, you don't touch that status.
And it's not like a thing where it's like, oh, like, oh, I don't.
I'm not, I'm not that pretty.
Yeah, and as a guy, you can't, if you're below six foot as a guy, you're never going to get above like maybe a seven or so.
Unless it's not true.
It just goes off what other people are.
Are going to be like the creme de la creme?
I think that women and men view attraction very differently, and I think that height is not a factor in the way that most women operate.
I think I disagree.
I disagree.
I'll 100% disagree.
I'll ask a question.
Here's a question.
So, two men, Brad Pitt, Donald Trump.
Now, if you were to ask all the women in the world, and they can just judge based off of physical looks, do you think that there would be a tendency for more women than not to rank Brad Pitt as more attractive than Donald Trump?
Yes.
Or is it all subjective?
It's just subjective and Melina seems to love Melina Trump.
I do not love him.
It's so bad faith.
It's so bad faith.
The only thing that I would do is.
It's so bad faith because I'm not asking, I'm not asking, will there never be any one singular woman who will find Donald Trump attractive?
That's not what I'm asking.
You're answering more of a broader question when he's asking more of a like straightforward.
Are you asking, as far as Western beauty standards are concerned, between Donald Trump and Brad Pitt, which one do you think women are going to go for?
How about we do it?
Let's ask the table.
Who's more physically attractive?
Brad Pitt or Donald Trump?
Brad Pitt.
I don't think either of them are attractive.
Who's more?
Who's attracting you?
Which one would you?
Who's more attractive?
But if you think they're equally attractive.
Oh my God.
It's a yo.
It's a fair question.
Who's more?
You got to go into a room.
It's a yes.
I'm straight and I know who's attractive.
You're the last female on the planet with these two men.
Who are you going into a room with to make more children to continue this?
Yeah, period.
And they're both breeders as well.
Or anything like that.
If you're going to go into a room with anyone to probably Donald Trump just to have a conversation.
Okay, period.
Go on, go ahead.
Okay, period.
Based on any module.
Donald Trump or Brad Pitt?
I don't think she answered.
Did you answer?
Am I supposed to answer if Donald Trump is attractive?
No.
Oh, my God.
What is wrong with you?
Who is more?
I understand.
It's just silly to me.
Can somebody please get me Tylenol?
I'm not meant to be bad.
It's just a matter of time.
You could just be good faith and just answer the question.
Okay, then, okay.
Would you like me to say that Brad Pitt fits the Western beauty?
It's not what I would like you to say.
It's what I'm asking you to say.
It feels like you're waiting for me to say something very specific, and that's why I feel like I'm not allowed to do that.
Yeah, you don't have to.
And I said, stop, stop, stop, stop.
Let me finish.
Are you saying that you don't have the mental capacity to make a determination right here and right now who is more physically attractive, Brad Pitt or Donald Trump?
That's the question.
You need not, what's it called?
You need not belabor the point any further.
Just answer the question.
Who has a better chance with you, Donald Trump or Brad Pitt?
I just said that Brad Pitt adheres to the Western beauty standard way more than British standards.
That's not really what she said, but okay.
Brad Pittsburgh, Brad Pitt.
Brad Pitt.
No, she said, she said, are you wanting me to answer in this way?
I want you to just say the truth.
I actually said, I did say a bird way down because I wasn't sure.
No, you didn't.
Because the question is, who do you find?
I don't think you heard her.
Hold on, hold on, hold on.
The question is: who do you find more attractive?
And when you say Brad Pitt fits the Western beauty standard, that's not answering the question.
That's dancing around the question.
So there we go.
Anyway, who wants to go to the bottom?
Brad Pitt, Brad Pitt, Brad Pitt.
Yes, based.
Donald Trump, what do you want to do?
Who do you want?
Fred Pitt.
My four-year boyfriend.
Oh, my God.
Brad Pitt.
Physically, I respect that answer.
She said my four-year boyfriend.
Yeah.
But that's the thing, is that.
See, I think you just answered the question increasingly.
No, no, no, but I'm a man, so you know.
If it had to be.
Do you think that the reason that there's so many men who are single or who can't get girls is because of how society and the economy is now structured, where now it's like men aren't supposed to use their beauty or their physical attractiveness to get a partner.
That's not been seen before.
They're supposed to use their resources to get a partner.
That's a fair position.
They always think that the way the economy is set up, where it's like now both men and men are entering the workforce, and now women are at an advantage and incentivized to earn more than their husbands or boyfriends or partners or whatever, that now those men are basically rendered useless.
Well, yes, that's actually, I mean, a very, very good point.
So, I mean, the way a man in the past historically used to make himself appealing and attractive to a potential partner was by being a provider.
But now that that's, I mean, that can still be to some degree employed, but to perhaps a far lesser degree.
And look, there are some women who want to be stay-at-home wives, and they might, you know, be more inclined to take that into consideration when selecting a partner.
But now that women, for the most part, I mean, I don't know the exact comparison when it comes to workforce participation, but yes, absolutely, men can no longer, men have to rely on much more different things.
It can be looks, they need to up their emotional intelligence, their conversation skills, riz, blah, blah, blah, all that shit.
It's not even with emotional intelligence, though.
Like, a man could be incredibly emotionally intelligent, satisfy a woman, the most feminist liberal woman in the world, but at the end of the day, it's not going to be constructive.
It's not going to be stable.
It's not going to be something that's sustainable because there is a natural dynamic between men and women that are complementary.
And unless there's laws and an economy, because a lot of women who do want to be stay-at-home moms cannot afford to stay at home because the economy doesn't yield to it anymore.
Actually, though, interesting point on that.
Stay-at-home mom families where the husband only works, when they do studies on this, actually tend to earn more.
I mean, I'm for that.
I'm in favor of that.
I like that.
I can tell you why.
I think that there's just cases where it's like a lot of women do feel pressure at having to leave the workforce or leave the home basically to basically have both, you know, to meet ends meet or whatever.
And that will fracture.
And obviously, there's a lot of shaming in society as well.
Like women who want to stay home, they get shamed as doing something that's like lazy or something like that.
I think that's the whole thing that I don't like about feminism and why I'm anti-feminism is that the laws before feminism used to basically be in favor of what is best for the family unit, which would then transfer over to the neighborhood, the society.
There's more collective power in that way.
Have you looked into paleoconservatism?
Sounds like you're a paleoconservative.
That being said, I think that nowadays it's yielding towards just this fractalization where the only people who are basically rewarded in society are those that are the most atomized, the most lonely.
And unfortunately.
Do you think they're rewarded?
I think that socially they're rewarded.
The most quote-unquote successful people nowadays is basically measured off of how much money do you make or how much attention do you get for your physical appearance.
What does that have to do with being lonely, though?
Because you think incels are...
I think everyone's lonely in this day.
I think most people are very much lonely.
Well, yeah, when you compare it with the past, yeah.
Oh, incels are like the definition of loneliness, basically.
But I'm like, in the past, there used to be that sort of like fabric where it's like a girl was never alone.
She always had her father, her brothers, and there was always a multitude of kids.
So, you're not talking not necessarily loneliness, but like independence from independence is loneliness.
It's like having like a bad person.
Yeah, I would agree.
I would agree with you.
Even women who strike off on their own and they're like, oh, I'm a liberated queen or whatever, they have higher rates of anxiety, higher rates of depression, because they're basically having to fend for themselves, which is impossible.
So, I think that in order for men to actually be valued in society, we can't go off of the beauty scale, which is why none of them had like the same equal scale that you guys had, because they don't work that way.
That's not how women evaluate men ever.
That's not biologically how we're wired.
I think that in you don't think that women value men by beauty?
It's like if a man were the most beautiful man ever, but I'm not emotionally connected to him, I'm gonna ignore him.
But do you think that it's important, though?
Do you think physical attraction is rather than important?
It's not gonna be as important as it is for a woman, obviously.
But it is important.
Exactly.
It is important.
And I've actually done studies where they put triggers on these women, then they'll show them these photos, and they'll ask them to say who they think is more attractive.
And it'll be like the guy with the dad bod who's like, you know, holding like the kids or whatever.
And then it'll be like the broad-shoulders fireman, and they'll always say, Oh, the dad bod's more attractive.
But then when they, their brain is showing that they're much more aroused by the Feynman guy.
So I think there is a little bit of like a little.
But in terms of long-term relationships, obviously, I believe, I agree with you.
I think that women will sacrifice the physical component for the emotional aspect of it.
I think men tend to sacrifice the emotional component for the physical aspect of it.
Yeah.
Snaps.
We do snaps.
Could you repeat that one more time?
That was a good point.
I think women sacrifice the physical component in order to get that emotional factor of it.
I think men will tend to sacrifice the emotional component.
I've seen that with countless of my friends where they're like, it'll be the sex will be really good.
Yes.
And she's really hot.
Insane.
And everyone's like, they post them on their Instagram and it's like, oh, look at my hot girlfriend.
But then when you look at them when no one else is around, they're just on their phones.
They have no connection.
And then she takes him for half after no time.
I'm also opposed, of course.
I think three can agree, and maybe I don't know about you guys, but I'm also opposed to no-fault divorce.
I think that all the laws need to be in place to make sure that a family stays together and basically, I don't know, it's like the most productive for family building, essentially.
I would agree with you.
Do you guys think no-fault divorce?
Yes, no?
No, what is that?
You can basically get divorced.
Well, it's basically you can divorce.
You can divorce.
You just can't divorce for anything.
I want to stay, linger here a little bit on the rating thing.
You made the point that was it that men tend to care more about looks than women do?
Yeah.
I actually disagree.
Here's a hot take.
I think women care far more about looks than do men.
Is that been your experience?
Well, I think it's true, and here's why I think it's true.
So if we look at the things that are within men and women's control, women care far more about things that are totally outside of men's control when it comes to their physical appearance.
For example, physical size, height, hair, penis size, these are all physical things that are totally outside of men's control.
If a man's balding, out of his, out of cons, out of, excuse me, starting here, out of his control, most women would prefer a man with a full head of hair.
Women would much prefer a tall guy.
Penis size, that's a factor, outside of a man's control.
All these things are very physical things, totally outside man's control.
However, the things that women can control, like, there's really very little that is outside of a woman's control when it comes to, that's like make or break when it comes to, that are deal breakers.
Can I ask you a follow-up on that?
Sure.
Do you think that a woman would prefer a man who is 5'7, bald, but a billionaire, or a guy who is 6'3, jacked Feynman, yoked, massive cock, but earns 40k a year?
Who do you think they would like prefer as their life partner?
as a life partner yeah well she'd much prefer to breed like have children with the um i would say the when they're when when you look at like the but i mean that who do you think it's more girl i I don't know if it's a totally fair comparison because the degree to which your lifestyle is changed with a billionaire, like I don't think many people comprehend, like you are set for life.
Like you don't have to lift a finger.
So I would argue how often are women going to be posed with those two choices?
It's hard to say, but...
Maybe a woman with a lot of options might have...
I think you also have to factor in, like, even though that's a man with a billionaire and it's obviously like a life-changing experience, you also have to factor in how bonded do you think that man is going to be to that woman and to the children that he has?
Like Elon Musk, for example.
He's onto his third baby mama now.
None of those children really are reared by him.
They're reared by the mother, by other babysitters.
And those are factors that women tend to also look for as well.
The only people who are going to go after a man with that much resources are those who are basically emotionally bankrupt.
But then also, I mean, we can also make the argument, why is it the case that, for example, on dating apps, women only swipe on like the top 5-10% of men?
All possible.
Well, because that's how.
Where it's strictly about assessing one's physical appearance.
So women are much pickier when it comes to physical appearance.
I agree with you.
And I'd actually like to go around the table on this.
What percentage of men do the women do you find physically attractive?
Yeah.
I don't know, like maybe 40?
40%?
Okay.
I don't know.
What about you?
I would say between 70 and 80.
I feel like I acknowledge people's physical features.
And I'm like, I can acknowledge you're attractive without being attractive to you.
That makes sense.
Okay.
What about you?
50-50.
50-50?
Yeah, I'd agree.
Wait, what was the focus?
What percentage of men, like if you're walking down the street, are you physically attracted to?
That's the question.
What did you think the question was, Kayla?
Like, just attractive, not like actually a jump out of my skin attracted to.
No, you don't.
No, I'm just saying like think of it binary.
Yes or no?
No, I definitely say 50, 50%.
There's a lot of cap going on here, but okay.
What about you?
I'm going to be 100% honest and I'm going to tell you why.
None.
Because you're in a relationship.
Duh, because obviously I'm in a relationship.
Okay, but, like, can you maybe hypothetically, like, let's assume you weren't, is your boyfriend going to let you?
No, like, I don't usually answer the question.
Can you let me finish?
I'm so sorry.
But, um, so I've been with my boyfriend for a couple of months, so obviously, like, I know what you're talking about, like, girls walking down the street.
Like, before I had my boyfriend, like, would I be walking down the street and just look at a guy and be like, oh, he's cute?
No.
I would.
So even before you were in a relationship, you found all guys unattractive?
Not unattractive, but I didn't gush over them or turn my head or look to my attention.
No, but that's not really the question.
I'm not asking.
I'm not.
Oh, so.
You don't have to be like this like top-tier specimen, but just like the team was the basketball team attractive.
Okay, I get your question now.
Like, do I find men attractive?
Yeah, I'm percent.
Yeah, what percentage of men do you find attractive?
20%.
Has anybody here been on dating apps?
Yes.
What percentage of men are you swiping yes on?
39%.
Well, that's very different than your previous.
So in person, somehow, it's 50-50, but on dating apps, it's 10%.
No, no, I meant to say, like, I changed mine from 50-50 to 10%.
You've been on dating apps?
Yeah.
What percentage of men on dating apps do you swipe yes on?
Not a lot.
Actually, I want to change my answer too, because I understand it at first.
Probably like 5%.
Okay, there we go.
Now the truth comes.
Okay.
I was just going to say that I stand by mine being 70-80 because I think everybody, all the men in this room are attractive, and objectively so.
Like, I think that you are.
We know.
So that just made me unattractive.
What about you?
I said that just made him unattractive.
Percentage of men, like on dating apps, what percentage of men do you swipe?
Yes, on swim.
On dating apps, none.
I would say 2%.
2%?
What about you?
I don't really use dating apps, but I find that it's really easy to find qualities where I'm like, oh, that's attractive in a person.
Just looks.
Just looks.
Walking down the street if you're not on dating apps.
I don't go outside much.
I'm going to be honest.
I'm a streamer.
I don't know.
Did you go to college?
No, I did not.
Like, generally, I think I can find.
I feel like I can find something attractive in almost every guy that's able-bodied and healthy enough.
Just like.
Okay.
All right.
What about you?
I feel like we've missed the out of nowhere.
What's yours?
I'd probably say like 5%.
5%?
Yeah.
I'm a person who, when I look through dating or attractiveness, I look in personality.
Like, I wasn't attracted to my exes, but I got to know them, and that's what made me like who they are.
Like people for whom you're not.
You weren't attracted.
Did you tell them?
Yeah, they know that.
They know I wasn't attracted to them.
But once I got to know them, but now I do think they're attractive because I like who they are.
Don't tell them that.
Tell him that it was a fire.
It's like his personality made him.
Couldn't contain it.
Who's next?
See, like, I don't like dating apps for that specific reason that it's based on looks.
So I don't even look at what they look like.
I just go.
Yeah.
So I swipe.
I used to swipe like 10% when it's like on the streets.
I'd say like 40%.
Like more on the street.
I don't use dating apps, but typically in any, typically in any room, I'll find a guy that kind of was attracted to me.
Okay, well, did you go to college?
Yes.
What percentage of the men when you went to college did you find attractive?
Physically attractive?
Maybe one every three semesters.
And even then, I didn't really find it attractive.
Okay, so checkmate, women are way pickier when it comes to physical attractiveness.
See, but I think that women agree.
Women will compromise.
Take the L.
But they're picky.
They're pickier, but who do you think it's more important to?
See, I think women are.
That's a good question.
I think as a man, you can, like, if your personality is on point, if you have some sort of status or you're wealthy, for example, you can make up for a lack of physical attractiveness.
I don't think you can make up for it as a girl.
No, no, no, as a guy.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But I'm saying as a girl, though, I don't think you really can.
They can make up for it by being pleasant.
That's true.
That's true.
There is ways you can make up for it.
Well, you laugh at that.
Or quote-unquote wifey material.
Pleasant.
Dude, I'll tell you.
Pleasant is not just why you can say it.
A lot of men will like happily.
If it's like she's a nine, but she's a fucking raging lunatic bitch versus like she's a six, but she's submissive, sweetheart, brings you peace, never quarrelsome.
Every day.
I think a lot of, like, for long, yeah, maybe that chick, she's good for short-term thing.
I'm not particularly interested in any short-term encounters, but for like long-term monogamous commitment, like, yeah, I think we'll sacrifice a couple points in looks if she's like a really like mellow, cool girl who brings us peace and is in the fucking headache.
So is that your preference of a woman?
What?
A woman who doesn't quarrel.
Yeah, that's what she says in the Bible.
They sleep on the roof.
Proverbs 2119, better to, what is it?
My man, he's been reading.
Better to live in the desert than with a quarrelsome and nagging wife.
Are there any nice things in your life that fit that criteria?
What's that?
Are there any women in your life so far that fit that criteria?
Oh, absolutely.
I think I've actually had some really wonderful women who I've dated.
I've really only maybe dated most of the women I dated have been fantastic, great women.
That's good.
And yeah.
So I have dated, like I did date a girl who had BPD, and that was a major fucking mistake.
And my life was fucking like constant, it was constant conflict with her.
And there was never peace.
And like having had that experience and dating like super mellow, calm girls and we're never like quarreling or conflict.
Like it's it's night and fucking day.
And I'll gladly give like some looks points away for like just a really cool like girl that's especially if you're busy, if you're a busy guy.
You do not want to be a bad person.
Yeah, my life is stressful enough as it is.
So like I don't want to like if you're the dudes who will like entertain like crazy craziness, crazy chicks are dudes who probably have nothing fucking going for them because a dude who's like on his purpose, he doesn't need that shit.
His life is probably stressful enough.
He's like he's fighting with the world.
So he doesn't want to invite in like he wants his girl to be his piece.
And if she's not.
I feel like that's fair enough to say for women as well though.
Oh, I think that's fair.
If a girl wants a guy who's calm and mellow and is going to also like because dudes can definitely bring fucking drama and stuff.
Do you think there's more like crazy psycho lunatic women or female or women or male?
It's probably been a little more women.
I'd say it's probably more women.
I don't know.
I've met a lot.
Wait, are there anything else?
Why is it?
Look, I don't date dudes, so I don't know.
But like, look, I've heard from women, there's some like nasty dudes out there.
I'm not saying all dudes are perfect, not at all.
A lot of guys can move in very scummy ways and fuck your life up the same way a woman can.
But like, why is there is certainly a trope, and I think there's certainly truth in stereotypes to some degree.
Like, why is it the trope, like the nagging wife?
You don't really hear about the nagging boyfriend, the nagging husband, typically.
Like, how many of your dudes be nagging you, really?
Okay, a couple of things.
I mean, maybe you've encountered it, but like, dudes are not nagging chicks, really.
No, but you are very elusive.
Aren't there more women on the planet than men, though?
So that would just be the case at the end of the day.
I'm not sure if that statistically pans out.
I'm not sure.
But I was just a question.
I think a woman to her extreme is going to be insane.
I think a man to his extreme is going to be a workaholic.
And I think that typically if a man is emotional and chaotic, I think he's typically someone who is, as Brian said, unemployed, has nothing going for him.
And if a woman is a workaholic, she's also kind of a minority where it's like you're kind of forsaking that which makes you a woman.
It's just that those are the ones that, those tendencies are the unhealthy expressions of womanhood, which is being insane or an unhealthy expression of.
If you look at the bell curve of like personality disorders as well, or like if you look at the bell curve of aggression, for example, all of the psychopaths at the very top who are like the most crazy are all guys.
That's why prisons are packed out with men.
That's also why like the corporate world is packed out with men because you get these guys at the top who are just like willing to step on anyone's head and psychotic.
But yeah, it's an interesting one.
I don't know where the more psychos are, to be honest.
One last thing on the rating thing.
Where's Arson?
Arson, what are you doing back there?
Arson?
Starting to fire back there.
What's she doing?
Come join us while I get this question here.
Okay, so actually, let me do some chats while she gets her seat back.
We have Miss Nims, high value.
Did I read this one?
High value men date women of quality.
Don't complain when you're not of quality to their standard.
Miss Nims, thank you for the Merci Buku for the Canadian 100.
Appreciate it.
We have Andrew Zoo.
These girls are so basic.
What the fuck?
Answer the dang questions.
They're not that hard to understand.
So frustrating to watch.
Andrew Zoo.
Thank you, man, for your patronage.
This is, I think, your first time chatting.
Welcome to the whatever podcast.
Thank you, man.
Appreciate it.
And okay, so Going around the table, starting with you, Zombri.
Is your name, what's your actual name?
Brie.
Like Shortford, Brianna?
Yeah.
Okay.
Are you more attractive?
You're 26, correct?
Are you more attractive?
Do you think you'll be more attractive at 36 or 26?
Probably 26.
Okay.
So you'll be.
I don't want to.
Each one of your age.
What's that?
Hopefully 36, though.
Hopefully 36.
But okay, so the question is, do you think you'll be more attractive in 10 years or do you think you're more attractive as you are now?
So you answered, what about you?
Oh, hey, that's part of business.
As far as physical appearance, obviously.
Yeah, physical appearance, guys.
Physical appearance.
Obviously, I'm going to be like more youthful and plump right now.
So laughing.
Ew.
I got moisture behind my skin.
Oh, okay, I see.
But as far as 36, I'm going to become more beautiful in other ways.
I'm going to reach enlightenment by then.
You know what I'm saying?
So there'll be still beauty in another way.
Okay.
So what's the answer?
As far as looks, man, all this superficial question is make my insides curdle.
Like, this is such a cringe question.
Like, bro, are you saying at 36, I'm going to expire?
Like, hell no.
I'm not going to think like that.
Here, let me add a caveat.
You all may very well be still attractive in 10 years.
The question is, will you be more attractive in 10 years than you are now?
I'm going to just say yes.
What about you?
Yes, I think older women are attractive.
But see, okay, here you are being bad faith again.
Even with the caveat, even with the caveat.
I think that I will be attractive.
I will be even more attractive at 36.
I think I will because I think that's it.
But the way you said that, like, you said, yes, I think older women are attractive.
That's not the question that I was asking.
I'm not asking if you'll be attractive at 10 years.
I'm sorry, but I'm not saying that it's not a problem.
If you ask a dumb question, you're going to dump response.
It's not a dumb question.
I think that I will be more attractive at 36.
How is it a dumb thing?
I think what she's saying based off of knowing that older women are attractive and she's going to reach that age that she thinks is attractive.
A lot of people, she's not as attractive.
Well, it was just basically a long option for a short answer.
Because what message are you trying to spread right now?
You're trying to spread hate into the world and self-esteem issues into women.
How is that hateful?
Can I answer?
I don't think it's hateful.
I think that when it comes to an objective standard, as we've been talking about, in a commercial world where people are basically ranked in this very emotionally detached way, 26 is obviously more attractive than 36.
But I think, once again, hearkening back to the olden times, I think 36 tends to be more of an actually beautiful age, mostly because at that point, that's your wife, that's the mother of your children, that's someone that you've aged with, that's someone that you've invested time in.
Okay, it is currently the 20th century.
Okay.
26 is your final answer?
No.
26?
Yes.
Because I am still young.
When you're older, yeah, you tend to.
Okay, but to the point that, like, let's assume you're just single.
Like, yes, maybe your husband still thinks you're beautiful or thinks you're more beautiful than when he met you 10 years ago.
Again, guys, please try to be good faith.
It's a very simple question.
No, I 100% think I would still be more attractive as a 26-year-old than a 36 year old.
But you're 21.
So I'm just asking.
No.
10 years from now, will you be more attractive in 10 years than you are now?
Starting with you.
So you said?
Yes.
Okay.
Okay.
Kayla.
And to the mic?
Yes.
Yes.
More attractive.
No, no, I think I'm more attractive as a 21-year-old than I would be.
So Kayla, more attractive.
Kayla, you're 21.
You're more attractive right now.
Okay, so you'll be, okay.
Okay.
I think I would be more attractive in 10 years because within the span of time I can work out more.
I can eat healthy.
I can do a skincare.
I can do this.
I can do that.
I'll look better in 10 years.
Okay.
I think that when I'm 31, I'll be more attractive.
More attractive?
What about you?
If I get my BBL, probably.
That's a whole nother topic.
$200.
Oh, don't embrace me.
Oh, well, we should be nice, guys.
That's wild.
That is actually wild.
Says the incels.
Literally sent $200 to say.
Shots fired.
All right.
Forza, I appreciate the TTS.
Okay, so you said BBL.
You get the BBL.
If I get a BBL, I think I'll be more attractive in 10 years.
You think that's more attractive?
I'm not going to get one.
Do guys like BBLs?
I'm not sure.
I've just come from Mexico and they all like BBL.
No, I'd rather work out.
BBLs actually.
I feel like working out doesn't even matter.
I feel like guys are more interested in making natural body females.
As a naturalist, I can't believe that.
Hold on.
I would find myself more attractive now or if I was in 10 years, right?
I'm just saying I might find myself more attractive if I do get a BBL for myself.
Period.
End of story.
It's cancer issues.
This is just kind of the debate of like, you know, the inward versus the outward opinion.
But I mean, I don't know about you, Jake, but like a BBL can only make a girl less attractive for me.
I don't care if she had a flat butt before.
I prefer a girl with a flat butt than a BBL.
Don't you guys think that doesn't look right?
There's no such thing as a good BBL.
I'm sorry.
You don't even know that it's there.
No, no.
How would you know?
You remember?
I'm just on a natural BBL.
They look more natural than like.
I've been in Mexico recently, and they look absolutely ridiculous.
Especially when they're on like fat girls.
So when y'all asked me the question, I said that I would work out, I would eat healthy, I would do skincare, whatever.
Y'all were like, oh, okay, cool.
No, no, no.
We were going to come back at 100%.
Well, we're talking about that.
We had that idea.
But then she's talking about BBLs for herself, which has nothing to do with anybody else or what they think.
That's the end of story.
Okay, Miss Girl, pop off next.
On your point, though, why would you need to do skincare and all that if you're going to look more beautiful?
What?
What do you mean?
No, I'm saying the reason why I'm going to look more beautiful is because I'm going to take those or do those things over the course of 10 years.
So you think that if you do skincare and you keep your skin looking relatively like how it is now, in 10 years' time, you'll be more attractive.
Well, I'm saying altogether, like working out, eating healthy, because I don't eat that healthy.
Like, come on out.
I don't eat that healthy.
I don't work out.
But the crux of the question is not like, well, I could do all these behavioral changes and then in 10 years I can have a glow up.
It's let's say you're at your best now compared to your best at 31.
I will be at my best at 31.
Okay.
Please bear with me.
This is going to sound like an annoying non-answer, but I feel like again, we're having the clashing of ideals of like beauty standards and stuff.
Like I would feel perfectly fine at 34 because like not the question.
You might you're welcome to feel perfectly fine at 34, but that's not the question.
I'm not finished.
Continue with your point.
I'm 34.
I would be much more my natural self.
Right now I have dyed hair.
I have eyelash extensions.
I would probably dress more like an actual mature person.
And I think right now my style is more, I don't know, chaotic.
I don't think it's very mature.
I think in 10 years from now I would be more attractive.
So what if you made those, if you made all of those changes within the next month, do you think you would be all those things you listed?
You know, your hair was natural, whatever, whatever.
Would you comparing yourself at, what is it, you're 24, is it?
Yeah.
24 to 34.
I still feel like I would be more attractive.
More physically attractive, okay.
What about you?
You're 22, correct?
Yeah, I'd say like I'd be more attractive now.
Okay, what about you?
I'll say 26.
And you're, wait, you're 26, right?
Okay.
Here, I want to double down on this.
More attractive now or in 20 years?
And this is the last round of this one.
Definitely now.
Okay, what about you?
In 20 years, because I'm a fairy, I know magic, and I'll look like this forever.
20 years.
You'll be more attractive in 20 years, okay?
I'll be more attractive now.
Yeah, definitely right now.
Definitely now.
I don't know.
I just have seen my mother and my sister age so well that I think that in 20 years I'll be fine.
Again, but that's not the question.
I'm not asking you.
You may very well be you're 20, correct?
Yes.
You may very well still be attractive at 40 years old, but that's not the question.
Joel, what's the question?
The question is, will you be more attractive at 40 than you are now at 20?
At 40.
Bear in mind, everybody ages.
That has certain impact on your skin.
It has a certain impact on wrinkles, for example.
I'm so old.
Oh, maybe, maybe now.
Maybe 20.
Okay, what about you?
You can get a BBL at 40, I guess.
No, I think now.
Okay.
Yeah, comparatively to 20 years from now.
Okay.
No.
No.
So to be clear, if we were to like, and we can't really draw this, but those of you who answered, well, I'll be better looking at 30, but worse at 40 than you are now.
So basically, like you're starting, you're starting here, and then you're going, wait, you're starting here, then you're going up to 30, and then you're going down.
Like, that's a little confusing to me.
Wouldn't it just be 20, 30, 40?
Wouldn't that make more sense?
Yes.
I've heard that your 30s are like your best years.
Who said that?
I don't know.
I've just heard that before because that's when like after your like 20s, like you were struggling going through college, you're broker.
Not the question, though.
Maybe your life is better at 30.
So then that reflects on how you look, like you're doing well off.
Like if I'm eating ramen all night every single day for like if I'm eating ramen like only for like five years straight during college.
Do you think a 20 year old who's just eating ramen in college is going to be worse looking than their future self at 40 who's like on a fantastic diet?
Yeah.
Really?
See, even if you're like girls at like 20 and you're like that.
Like if I'm taking horrible care of myself right now, I look like shit.
Okay, but as you get older, like you lose fat in your face, like your eyes will get hollowed out, right?
You'll lose the fat right here.
You'll get wrinkles.
You'll get sagging skin.
You'll get a turkey neck.
Like there's a lot of issues that come with aging.
And I think the point that he's trying to make is like you don't get, you don't get more beautiful.
And that's the point that he's trying to make to you guys, because you guys work in an industry where your beauty, like, and I think it's not really like posed this way to kind of like, like, in a better way.
I think it could be.
Is that your industry, you're losing, you're depreciating like your value.
You're not going to get, you're not going to get more value.
I think, honestly, like, there's obviously women in their 30s and their 40s that are beautiful, but I think at that age, you're not supposed to be seen as sexually attractive.
I think at that point, that's basically, like, there's a level of respect there where it's like, we don't see women in that age bracket as sexual because they're supposed to be mothers at that point.
I mean, that's not even the argument.
That's not even really the argument I'm trying to make.
I think people are confusing improving weight and health with being more attractive.
And we're referring to the attractiveness of age, not other factors.
If you were your best weight and health at 25, you would be more attractive than your best weight and health at 35.
If you, I mean, there's no way around that.
If it's your best health at 25 versus your best weight and health at 35, and you think you're more physically attractive at 35, that just doesn't compute because of the, because of aging.
So you're saying just naturally.
Yeah, in 10 years.
Okay, what's going on is you're conflating your, like, not.
Anyone specifically, but you're conflating like a young woman who's overweight and unhealthy, their unhealthy selves at 25, to their potentially improved weight and health at 35.
But that's not an equal comparison.
It doesn't prove anything about the innate attractiveness of age.
Okay, so you're just saying naturally then?
Yeah.
Like naturally in 10 years or naturally.
Subtracting the youthfulness.
Like you're youthful.
Or subtracting, putting in any effort to change your appearance.
Naturally.
Can we agree on this that like everybody here at this table is compared to in 40 years we're all at our peak attractiveness now compared to how we're going to look in 40 years.
Can we agree on that?
Yes.
Yeah.
I personally don't just because personally in my preference I like older women.
Like if I'm talking about the female beauty standard, I am attracted to older women.
I just saw Pamela Anderson at Paris Fashion Week and she wore no makeup and I was like, oh my God, I want to look like that at 50.
Can we put our socials in the chat for the Shigera Mama?
She's 40.
No, Pamela Anderson is 50.
Do you think Pamela Anderson is, like, do you think, here, here's a different question.
Do you think most people would agree with you that she's more attractive now than she was 20 years ago, 30 years ago?
No.
Baywatch Pamela or now?
I didn't watch Baywatch.
I wasn't familiar with her work whenever she was younger.
I never watched Baywatch.
But do you think most people would find her more attractive now than statistically, I'm sure.
I know I'm an odd one out for finding older women stimulatingly attractive.
Like I know I'm the odd one out.
Okay, but this is like a very like self-centered way to like view the conversation.
While you may very well find older women attractive, if we're having like a generalized conversation, like it's you're you're finding it difficult to step outside of like your sort of solipsistic worldview and try to look at, well, what is generally the truth?
Well, I suppose I assumed showing, like coming up here that it was to bring my worldview and the way that I think about things to the situation just like everybody.
And so I thought it was more collaborative.
Like, oh, that's what you think.
Oh, word.
Well, why do you think that?
Okay, I mean, like, whatever.
What do you think?
I thought it was more.
Here's the thing.
I don't object to you having like your nuanced view.
And I don't disagree that you individually might view older women as more physically attractive.
I'm not countering you on that.
But when we're saying, generally speaking, people will view it like this, like, and you're not willing to engage with a general conversation.
That's where it gets complicated.
Well, I just thought that having my own opinion was being a part of the conversation.
I didn't mean to intentionally impose any, like, anything wild.
I just thought that it was to bring up, like, to bring everybody's bringing their own thoughts to the conversation.
But okay, if we're having a conversation where if we're saying, if, if there's a bunch of people at table and we all say the sky is blue, but one person is colorblind, for example, and they say, well, the sky looks gray to me.
Well, that's not the actual truth of what is.
Okay, but you didn't ask her the objective, like, like.
He actually kind of did, though, because when you ask, do you think you'll be more attractive?
It's not, do you think in your own purview, like depending on what you're attracted to, that you'll be more attractive?
Yeah, but to yourself, when I asked, when you say, if someone asked me, Jake, do you think you'll be more attractive in 20 years?
Instantly, I'm going to think, well, you know, men, they do tend to get a little bit more attractive as they get older.
What would society view me as?
That sort of thing.
I'm not going to think, when I look at myself in the mirror, what do I think is attracted to you?
Well, that's what I thought.
Wait, I want to address your thing.
So I am de facto referring to people's outward assessment of who you guys are.
What is attractiveness?
If you were the only person left on earth to be attractive, the framework is there has to be someone external, something external to be able to deem you as attractive.
No, absolutely.
So if you're the only person on earth, quite frankly, your attractiveness has become totally irrelevant.
It's no longer important.
So just by virtue of me asking the question, of course it's about the external reality.
No, absolutely.
I'm not debating you on that, but I feel like I took the question and I feel like they all took the question as how would you view yourself versus, and I think you could have posed that question, how would you be kind of telling though, you know?
Because if you ask a group of men that, and it's not like I'm not judging or anything, but if you ask a group of men that, they're not going to think like about themselves.
They're going to be thinking on a more sort of logical and objective basis.
And I guess that's why we have these conversations because it's interesting to see the difference.
Yeah, but I think a lot of the back and forth and a lot of the issues are a lot of just like, I think just miscommunication.
I think.
But so in order to be attractive, there needs to be an other, right?
So that would imply that somebody outside of you is making the judgment, is making the value call, is rank ordering you.
Okay.
Isn't that what attractiveness is?
Somebody outside of you has to make some sort of determination on that.
So again, I mean, you guys are saying you'll be more, some of you are saying you'll be more attractive in 10 years, you'll be more attractive in 20 years.
Typically speaking, when it comes to aging, and I think this applies to both men and women, as we age, there's just a certain biological reality to aging where as we age, we are less physically attractive.
But I do want to, the last thing on this, I want to come back to you.
You asserted that this line of questioning was hateful, and I'd like you to provide some evidence for how it's hateful because, I mean, it occurs to me that this is a.
Well, what you're trying to make us all, what you're trying to make us all feel like right now.
You don't feel anything.
It does.
Whether you're trying to or not, it does.
It makes us opening our brains to realize, oh, you're going to get uglier as you age.
That's how you want us all to feel right now.
But don't you think that's like a crazy thing to say?
That's pretty.
Yes, that is.
That is like the opposite of body positivity.
Well, I'm not sure.
I think I've been very diplomatic in the way I've got my reality.
Well, okay, I never called any of you ugly, and I think I said all of you.
Yeah, you straight up called her ugly, bro.
Like a little while ago, you were like, you're not a 10.
Yeah, that's not a 10.
So you think somebody not a 10 is ugly?
You think that's not a thing?
That's not me calling her ugly.
Well, your face was telling me it felt mean-spirited.
It felt targeted and mean-spirited.
It just simply meant I said that specifically.
It could have meant you're a 9.5 not a 10.
Yeah, so I didn't take it negatively.
Right, but I understand why you would have felt that energy because I, young girl.
Yeah, but that's, I mean, that's just erroneous.
Erroneous.
You're making everybody defensive.
Like, I'm like, I think we just need to differentiate objective, like objective, like what you mean by, like, okay, well, what do you rate yourself?
I'd rate myself this.
She might rate my, you know, the world might rate me that.
And I'm just saying, like, I think that's important to differentiate because I think it's a lot of fun.
It's interesting to see how people interpret the question, though.
Yeah, no, I agree.
I agree.
You can have even two sides on that.
Technically, do you think that it's an offensive thing to say if you say to somebody you're going to get less attractive as you get older?
Yes.
You think that's a hateful thing to say to you?
Definitely.
And if you think you think it's also a hateful thing to say to say somebody that you're not a 10.
100%.
But why are you valuing what they say about you?
Hold on a second.
No, therapist.
I'm just like.
Hold on a second now.
So you think that that's like an unreasonable thing to say?
Why?
What do you mean, why?
That creates negative emotions in people.
It creates self-esteem issues.
You're trying to give everyone self-esteem problems.
But like, if I was to say to you, you're going to get really ugly as you get older, that might be a little bit of a self-esteem problem.
Or if I was to say to you, you're a two, that would be a self-esteem problem.
But if I'm pointing out to you the objective reality, that as human beings get older, we get less attractive.
That's a subjective reality.
I don't know what you're talking about.
So you think that an 80-year-old is more attractive than a 25-year-old?
Girl, that's not even thoughts.
I just want to bring it up.
But you don't call me Gil.
That's just how that's how I talk.
Just on your conversational thread here.
So, I mean, do you think comparing, say, do you care about looks in a guy?
Like, you care about their physical appearance?
Yes.
Like, would you date an obese guy?
No.
Oh, would you date a guy who shouldn't have a single step?
But I want to tell them to their face or bring it up on the internet or like sure.
And I agree.
I wouldn't just like walk up to some girl in the street and be like, you're a five.
I wouldn't do that.
But when like we're having a panel discussion on dating, I think it's a.
That has nothing to do with like any kind of dating stuff though.
Well, it's actually very related to dating.
And I can get into it in a bit.
But okay, so I mean, you've already determined that you would not date a guy if he was morbidly obese.
So that's you making a value.
Why isn't he a 10 for you?
Why would you not date him?
Why are you allowed to make a judgment call on a man's physical appearance, but men aren't?
That's not what I'm saying.
I mean, you can have your own personal preference, but to go around and like lay, like, I wouldn't sit down like 10 obese people and be like, you're fat, you're lazy, like, like, what?
Okay, we.
But to be fair, the only reason why we brought up anything about men is because it was questions you asked, if that makes sense.
What?
Yeah, I'm the host of the podcast.
I tend to ask.
No, I know.
But, like, saying that, like, she gets to talk about it.
Well, it was a question.
Like, they rated themselves too.
Well, asking what we rate ourselves, and then it feels like it's like you're not, like, taking what we say seriously because it feels as though it's, oh, well, you should feel this way because of objective truth.
And it's like, well, the original question was just how do you see yourself?
That's not what I was saying at all.
We'll talk about that.
So let me ask you guys a question.
Do any of the girls here know a guy who thinks he's hot shit, but he's actually not?
Yes.
Yay!
Who are you?
Who are you?
Who are you to not affirm his belief of how he feels about himself?
You ought to be compelled, one, to be attracted to him and to date him and to sleep with him because he thinks he's hot shit and he's a 10.
You're not entitled to your own view.
No, because all those men that think they're hot, whatever, will make you feel less than.
So they will.
So it's only a problem when men do it.
I see.
No, no, that's not what I'm saying.
But I'm sure you all know guys who think they're...
I know dudes who think they're hot shit, but they're actually not.
And like, the difference is, though, like, reality tends to slap these dudes in the face a little more than when it comes to women.
And I can get into why.
But look, we all, I'm sure you'd prefer to date a guy who's taller than you, correct?
That's you making a value call, a value judgment, based off of a physical characteristic, a trait.
Okay, and your point is?
I would also say that when the question was posed, it's more a reflection of if you get defensive, Brian's not making you feel defensive.
It's just you have to make peace with the circumstances.
That's exactly what he's doing when she's not.
I get what she's saying.
Here, going back to the question, though.
So when it comes to a guy, would you date an 80-year-old?
Hell no.
Why?
That's agest.
Because of their ages?
Because what I have to talk about with him.
You know what I'm talking about?
He has a lot of wisdom in the middle.
His crossword puzzles and synonyms.
What if he likes my chemical romance and Phil Alloy?
See, that's not going to happen.
And I don't even like him.
No.
You don't like My Chemical Romance?
That's the most upsetting thing I've heard all night.
No, I don't even know.
Well, no, I know that scene too, but I don't really like that music.
It's too vibrating.
So the primary reason you wouldn't want to date an 80-year-old, it's not because they're super old looking.
It's because you guys wouldn't have things to be.
Literally, one of my best friends, literally one of my best friends, is like 45.
It's literally based off the character of who he is.
And I hang out with him almost every other day.
So I literally, I don't feel like age is like that crazy.
You know what I mean?
Well, let me literally who you are.
Do you think it's a biological reality, as Jake was saying, that over time, people age, and with aging, typically you, over time, become less physically attractive?
It really depends, because his girlfriend right now is like, like, super young.
So it's like, really, if you just have enough Riz, like, you could really, like, you know, riz up a lot of people.
It just depends if you have swag like that.
But like statistically speaking.
Do you think an 80-year-old with like mega riz is yeah?
Imagine they're like some dope-ass artist or something.
Like girls like want to be around that stuff.
You know what I mean?
They're typically picking up.
I think like I think like the average like 21 year old college girl, I don't care how much Riz the 80 year old dude is going to like has, she would probably prefer to date a guy like who's like within her age range, who's just like a normal dude.
Okay, well you generalizing, and that's not my reality, so I don't know.
No, but that's just statistical fact.
That's just the reality.
I don't know where you're getting the statistics from, but I don't think that's anything.
I don't know, no guess.
I don't know what that is.
Basically, she's saying that she just lives in her delusional world.
No, no, no.
I would say that you're just this one.
I would say that, yeah, it's like you're sort of in your bubble because it's like by the environment that you've been in, you've been kind of comfortable in there.
And I think what Brian's trying to attempt is to pull you out of it so that way you can kind of have some self-awareness.
But at the same time, women are fundamentally emotional creatures, and that's why rules were made in place.
So that way, comments on their appearance, on their age, were never brought up because they had the consumer market.
So all the advertising at you, telling you what you want to hear.
Giving us a delusion.
Yeah.
It's a problem.
Exactly.
Is this like a agree to disagree?
Two plus two.
Or M9.
Yeah, it is an agree to disagree.
Or is it way better than agreement?
Or is it we're definitely right and we just totally disregard your points of view on this.
I like agree to disagree.
Can I totally agree?
Can I?
So I think men find men base attractiveness also off of like age in relation to like fertility.
Because like men instinctively want to reproduce, right?
Yes, absolutely.
So I think that is a big thing that will like key into their attractiveness.
And like Kraus was saying, when women are in their 30s, we feel more human and less sexualized and objectified.
But also men have the same kind of like timeline.
Not as fixed as women because there's obviously a cutoff point with women, but men.
Al Pacino?
Al Pacino?
The one who's getting him at it.
Well, then she left him because she got the resources of the child and immediately filed for divorce.
And it's like even in those instances, it's like men start to struggle with ED.
They start to struggle with fertility issues.
The quality of the stuff isn't as strong, so the child's going to have birth defects.
So there's a value of sexual vitality that's valued in both sexes, and that's why we tend to want to aim for people in our age range, basically.
And that's why men tend to shoot for lower.
Well, it's more so like women want a man who's a little bit older than her typically just because of his experience, his wisdom.
He can provide more protection.
But it's still like within five years statistically.
Last thing on the looks thing, and then we're going to switch gears with a different topic.
So an estimated 10% of men on dating apps are being pursued by the overwhelming majority of women who are on these dating apps.
Most of whom, I would argue, are trying to date well above what their looks, prospects, and personalities warrant.
So this is why I do think, and why I tend to push back on this rating thing.
And it's not to be mean, but it's actually to guide women.
And here's why.
And you might think, oh, Brian, blah, blah, blah, you want to hate women.
No.
What I see happening is if women are so gassed up on their, if they have a false self-assessment of their own physical appearance, and just trying to think the best way to phrase this.
If a woman has a false self-assessment of her own physical appearance and she's super gassed up, then she's going to, if she thinks she's a 10, then she's going to start curving guys who are actually on her level and she's going to think she deserves or is entitled to a certain caliber of man that's never going to give her commitment, that's never going to give her a ring, that's never going to give her a long-term relationship.
So what you have happening is typically there's a percentage of men that are basically monopolizing a large, not all, this isn't playing out in all relationship dynamics, but you have a small percentage of men that have basically multiple girlfriends at the same time.
You're never going to get commitment.
They're just, you're going to be in the perpetual situationships.
You're going to jump from dick to dick to dick.
And here's the thing, men will gladly sleep, like say a guy's a 10, right?
And I know you guys kind of object to these rank order things, but a guy who's a 10 will sleep with a girl who's a six.
He's never going to commit to her, but he'll keep her around for sex.
So as a woman, it's very important to have a reasonable and accurate self-assessment of your own physical attractiveness and your value in the dating marketplace.
Otherwise, you're just going to keep getting, you're just going to keep getting fucked by these dudes who have no interest in long-term commitment.
Meanwhile, the guys who are actually on your level who are prepared to give you monogamous relationships, who will be dutiful and good boyfriends, you don't actually, even though they're on your level, they're on your, whether it's socioeconomic status, whether it's physical appearance, you're going to curve the dudes who, again, on your level, you'd think you're settling for them.
And if you do end up with them, you're going to treat them like shit because you think you're settling.
You think you're above them.
You think they're below you.
And that's the big thing I see in the dating marketplace.
A lot of these chicks are chasing after these top-tier dudes.
These top-tier dudes just want pussy.
They ain't ever going to give you commitment.
And so if you're gassed up and think you're hot shit, but you're not, here's the thing.
A guy will sleep with, here's the difference between men and women.
In order for women to sleep with a guy, that guy needs to be at least physically attractive enough for you to be in a relationship with him.
And women will project that onto men.
You'll think, well, if he's sleeping with me, he must be considering me.
He must think I'm attractive enough to be in a relationship.
But just on the physical attractiveness metric alone, a guy will sleep with you, but just on that sole thing, he'll keep you around for sex, but he will never give you commitment.
And that's a big difference.
So a dude who's really attractive, he'll fuck a girl who's less attractive than him, but he'll never give her a relationship.
Can I comment?
Sure.
So I think when it comes to feminism, that's a point that I do put in your favor where it's very much a turnoff when it's like women are basically saying like, oh, I'm beautiful, I'm the standard, I'm a 10.
But then when they look at men where it's like they might be slightly balding, they might be a little bit chubby or whatever, they then discard him and treat him like some sort of parasite or whatever.
So on that point, it's like, once again, I hearken back to the fact that you can't just value a man, number one, for his physical appearance, and also to have, which brings me to my next point, this society which basically primes women to hate men.
Basically every facet of society is designed to make us think, like, for example, Gaston from Beauty and the Beast.
Did you watch that one video where it's like, you know, Gaston is actually the good guy and that, you know, the beast was actually the bad guy because the beast was like all of these emotional topics.
I haven't seen it, but I know Beauty and the Beast, yes.
So Gaston basically is the type of man who's strong, bold.
He has, he's proposing to Belle.
He wants to give her the world, but he's considered the bad guy in the movie.
And this is something little girls watch.
So it's like from the beginning of womanhood, you're basically denigrating men in every facet of academia, mainstream media.
So when a woman sees a man with good qualities, there's something in her brain that automatically associates that person with villainous intent.
That's a very good point.
I just wanted to come back to what Brian said because he actually said the most valid thing that I've heard him say so far.
Because what he's basically saying is that, and it kind of shows, like I feel like it's kind of shown through this podcast a little bit lately.
But if you're not self-aware of how you're perceived to other people, then you're going to get used to it right now.
I feel like that kind of leads into whichever one of you was saying, you get rejected quite a bit.
Miss Girl.
It's, yeah, it kind of ties into the fact that you think you're rejecting these men that are in your league maybe because you think you deserve or are going to be specific.
Yeah, in a higher bracket when in all reality, these men that are coming to you and you're rejecting, those are the type of men that are.
If I can address that, you mentioned like out of someone's league, right?
Yeah.
So here's the difference.
If a guy who's like in a lower league tries to shoot his shot at like a more attractive woman, she's not going to look at him and be like, well, I can get easy sex from him.
No, like it's an instant rejection.
Whereas women get rejected on the back end.
You get rejected after a guy's fucked you a couple times or just once.
So like you can't, women can like try to get with like we all want to get the best we can get, right?
The difference is, is men typically can't get anything.
They can't get anything from a girl who's outside of his league.
But a girl can get sex from a guy who's outside of her league.
And that's where women get into trouble.
And I don't like to see it.
I don't like to see women getting played and like getting used by, like passed around by these dudes.
And look, I do put some onus on men.
Like I don't think dudes, me personally, I'm not interested in just running through a bunch of chicks.
I much rather have a continuity with a girl.
If I want to sleep with the girl, I want to keep seeing her.
I'm not interested in a one-night stand.
But like a lot of men who are able to sleep with a lot of women don't move like that.
Yeah.
So that makes a lot of sense.
Yeah.
So yeah.
And as somebody who is like related to one of the guys that, you know, preys upon women like you, can I just say that having very low self-esteem and also have having way too high self-esteem are like the two that go together.
Can I just say that?
Like you, like, if you hate yourself, like, oh my gosh, I don't care.
Like, I'll take whoever.
I just want to be loved.
You're also going to, like, he's coming for you.
But if you're also like, I'm the best person in the world, I love myself so much.
Like, you can't do anything to make me think otherwise.
He's also coming for you.
And you're both going to get mistreated.
So it's like, and honestly, I think when you have that higher inflated ego, it's even worse, right?
Because no man's going to come in, like, if you have a low self-esteem.
We're talking about everything, but also just the way that you present yourself, like just verbally saying, oh my gosh, like I guess, like having that inflated ego.
Okay.
It's men like him are looking for you, and that's what they look for.
They look for low self-esteem or extremely high self-esteem, because a lot of the times extremely high self-esteem is just a big mask, you know, because you have very low self-esteem.
Let's switch gears here.
We have Jeremiah Jenkins.
For you to have a quirky and new response is fine.
It's when he asks you a specific question and looking for your answer and you can't comprehend it.
It makes you unintelligent.
Not the question itself.
Not sure who this is directed to.
Jeremiah Jenkins, dude.
Appreciate this.
I think this is your first time chatting.
Thank you, man.
Appreciate the patronage.
Thank you for submitting the super chat, man.
Thanks.
All right, we're caught up on all the chats.
We have a bunch of pre-show notes here I want to try to get through.
You guys provided a ton of notes, so I will try to get through as much as I can here.
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Okay, so geez, there's so many pre-show notes here.
And I do want to try to give everybody a chance.
Okay, I think we got everything there.
Sorry, guys, I'm just getting this caught up.
We did stiffler, right?
Okay, we did that.
Sorry, guys, one sec.
I'm getting my notes here.
Where do we go?
Hold on, guys.
Sorry, guys.
I have too many notes.
I actually, I'm going to bring it.
No, I'm going to save it for later.
I'll save that for later.
Okay, we have Angelica's Grass.
You do ASMR videos.
That's cool.
You've dated an anarchist, disenchanted Catholic Italian, a Republican Baptist, atheist, liberal, communist, nihilist, twice your age.
Women's strength and house.
What is ASMR?
It's like.
Have we been through this already?
It's like that sort of like sounds in your ears, basically.
It's like supposed to relax you or whatever.
Oh, like the things that people listen to when they go to bed?
Yes.
Okay.
Let me actually ask this.
I want to just go around the table on this, starting with Zombri.
Zombri, does anybody here have a dating, something dating-related they'd like to get off their chest, starting with you?
Whoa, whoa, whoa, pull up that comment.
Pull it back up.
I don't know.
Can I go last?
I can't think of anything more.
Sure.
Anything dating related you want to get off your chest?
Oh my goodness.
I've never talked about dating stuff like this for so long.
Like this is such a conversation that I don't even try to be involved with anymore.
Like straight up femfil vibes for right now.
I think that the porn industry erodes intimacy and undermines interpersonal relationships in every facet.
And I think that's a massive factor of modern dating.
I agree with that.
You don't do OnlyFans, but I can't change the whole interaction.
You said you do OnlyFans, but you agree with that.
Yes, but I can't destroy the porn.
It's still going to be made.
So you think that just because something exists and if it's inherently negative, then you have to be a part of it?
I'm just trying to make enough money so my mom's not homeless in the street.
Do you have to do that doing OnlyFans there?
Yeah.
I mean, what can I do right now?
I'm already in school, like working 40 years a week.
You don't make enough money to barely eat.
Right, right.
But like there are other ways that you can make money besides OnlyFans.
But plenty of other ways.
I think there's one I'd like to know.
Well, how about this?
You can also sell drugs.
You can also become a hitman.
You can also get on the Silk Road and start selling whatever you want.
There are many, many different illegal ways to make money.
But also, if you want to work hard and if you want to apply yourself something, then you can create a new skill.
Yeah, I'm in hair school right now and I want to be a hairstylist, but that money won't come.
I won't see money come from that.
I understand the allure of the allure of quick money.
But don't you think that there's somewhere else that you could be putting your talents?
You're clearly a clever girl.
You're working hard towards something.
Yeah, but I don't.
Speak into the mic, sweetie.
If I made $10,000 right now, that could get my mom an apartment for like a few months.
Is your mom not able to work?
She's mentally ill.
Very briefly.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And so do you not think that there's anything else that you can do otherwise than OnlyFans are that crypto is about to have a pump.
You could learn an online skill, start up a business of some sort.
How many are you going to start up a business?
My learning abilities on hair and cosmopology right now.
Why don't you give haircuts to your friends and like the community and like girl that offer mob services?
This is the only way to make it homeless.
Lower levels.
Okay, wait, princess.
On a real note, this is not quick money.
OnlyFans, no.
You have to wait like three to five business days for it to go to like a pending amount and then three to five more business days for it to go into an actual amount.
And then like another week or two for it to actually go in your bank account.
So it's not quick.
Can I say something?
It's so much more than the money.
And you actually literally just pointed that out.
It's so much more than the money.
What do you mean it's all about the money?
It's not about the money, no, because a lot of girls don't even make like you're making millions of dollars.
Okay, then it might be worth it, right?
But that's like 1%.
The average woman on OnlyFans makes $108 a month.
That's exactly.
So it's not about the money.
Not in the top 2%, not the top 3%.
The average user of OnlyFans makes less than $100 around $100.
Thank you.
It's not about the money.
What they're talking about is the morals.
Okay, the morals.
Can we talk about the money?
Hey, guys, sidebar conversations.
Stop with the sidebar conversations.
One person, talk at a time.
So I think, like, would your mom, do you think, if you told her what you would, have you told her what you're doing?
Yeah.
She's cool with it.
Yeah, I guess.
Yeah.
I would hard to have a conversation with her.
Yeah, yeah.
I see what you're saying, and I do see the allure of it, but like, I just, I can't see, like, I can't fathom myself wanting to do that in terms of like the future repercussions of it.
Because now when you're young, you don't see how it's going to affect you in the future.
And making money now compared to what you could be doing and the limitation that it could put on you.
If you're looking at getting married one day and having a family and attracting...
If they're not willing to accept me for what I've done, then there's nowhere.
Okay, well, you can have that attitude, but you'll probably be like, whoever would be accept me, like.
With that attitude, you'll probably be broke and lonely your whole life.
You know that there's no, I'd rather be broke and lonely than walking.
There's hella moms on OnlyFans, so I mean, it's not impossible.
But I would also say, like, in the case of your mother, it's like you, unfortunately, we just have the moms that we have.
That's just the case.
But would you think that if, you know, when you decide to have children, would you want to, like, basically show a healthier example, someone who has, like, more of a principled, and when I say principled, I don't mean that you don't have any principles.
I mean that you demonstrate by action those principles, things that you value for yourself.
So you should also so that she doesn't go to school.
Let's look, oftentimes on the podcast, we linger a little too long on porn bad.
I don't want to really linger too long on it.
I mean, Kayla, I mean, I do want to at least commend you that, you know, it's while I perhaps may have disagreements when it comes to the specific thing that you're doing, I mean, I think you have, there's a bit of a noble cause there in terms that you want to support your mom.
I certainly hope that whether it's one way or the other, you're able to find a way to get her helped out, whether it comes to housing or whatever it may be.
And I imagine that's probably certainly, I mean, at 21, that must be a difficult thing to be dealing with.
A mother who's dealing with some mental health issues and she's homeless.
I imagine that's not something that's easy.
So I wish you godspeed on that.
But I don't want to linger too long on, you know, because we do tend to linger a bit too long on, well, porn bad, and then we just get into debates about that.
So what I do want to touch on is, okay.
Where was I?
I wanted to come.
We'll go around the table on this.
Do you guys think you can be sexist against men?
Starting with zombie.
I just define that question.
Can you be sexist against men?
I don't think so.
I feel like I treat everything like equal, like between men.
Towards who and what?
Yeah.
You're quiet, so you gotta really speak into like.
I think he was asking objectively, not personally.
Like if people in general can't be.
Yeah, can you, you know, you often hear, for example.
Does sexism towards men exist?
Can you be sexist towards men?
Okay.
Should I double down on this question?
Can you be racist against white people?
That's another.
Let's double down on that.
So why don't you ask me?
I don't think so.
To both of us.
Well, before we have anyone, we'll allow everyone on the panel to answer this question.
What about, what do you think?
I don't think you can be sexist towards men, and I don't think you can be racist towards white people.
I think that prejudice knows no color or any kind of bounds.
You can be awful to anybody for any reason, and it sucks.
Okay.
Kayla?
I agree with her.
With who?
Male.
Okay.
All right.
I wasn't sure if you were pointing to our center.
Okay.
Les, what about you?
I genuinely think you can be sexist towards men and definitely racist towards white people.
Both of those things definitely exist.
What about you back there?
Yeah, I think the same.
Okay.
I agree.
Bro, way too many people sexist towards men.
And yeah, you can be racist to white people.
I can't say the N-word, but other people can.
That's segregation of words.
Roll it back, she said.
Roll it.
That's crazy.
What did she say?
What did she say?
Repeat.
She wants permission to.
No, I have the past for my friend.
It's always the whitest.
Okay, well, you definitely don't say it.
No, I'm not going to say that.
You definitely don't have the past in front of me.
Not that I am.
Are you part black?
Full?
Yeah, I'm half African and half European.
Okay, gotcha.
I'm sorry.
So she says you don't have the past.
How do you feel about that?
No, but that is that I don't have it.
Oh, you don't have it?
So her existence to call me that.
The N-word.
Well, I don't encourage people.
I'm good off of it.
I don't encourage people using the N-word.
No.
So.
I feel like I know you can be sexist towards men because I'm that bitch.
That's always like, no, that's a man's job.
I ain't doing that.
I'm not doing that.
Well, here's the kicker when it came to the ex calling you that word.
Did your ex call you the N-word?
Yes.
Did he really?
Yes.
Yes.
Pale, I think, for that to have made sense, but okay.
We don't care.
Yeah, you could absolutely be sexist towards men.
And yes, you could absolutely be racist towards white people.
And anybody who disagrees with me, I very much ask you to challenge me.
I'm confused.
Can I get an example?
Yeah, as a victim of physical racial violence.
Yeah, I ask you to.
Yeah, somebody who's a family.
Yeah, I used to get beat up every single day for no reason.
Because I was white.
Okay.
Literally makes no sense.
Okay, you can tell somebody else.
Wait, hold on a second.
Question.
You cannot call somebody else's personal experience.
That's just rude.
Hold on, question.
You have to explain that to me.
Arson.
I got a scenario for you.
Arson, are you half white, half Asian?
Is that?
Yeah.
Okay.
Let's say a group of Asian people found a white dude and they just started beating the fuck out of him.
And they started calling him the C word while they were doing it.
Wait, would that maybe be racially motivated?
I mean, maybe, but like historically, they probably deserve it.
Like, I don't know.
Are you joking?
If you're going to say that about I mean no harm when I say this, I was like, if you were going to say that about white people, you have to go ahead and flip that coin and be able to say it about the other races as well.
What did they do?
Oh, okay.
Kayla, are you tired?
Yeah.
She's going to have to run when we go outside.
So do you think a 12-year-old deserves to be beat up because they're white?
Because of racial if it's a child, heck no.
But you think anyone might be beat up because they're white.
I think no one gets to deserve to be beat up series.
I don't get really mad if I were to see that.
You know, when I saw the other one, like, that would incidentally madness.
And that's the problem.
Not to accidentally.
That's the exact reason I did it.
She's got some hot takes tonight.
Like, honey, you're the problem.
You got to know about it.
When we get off sidelines, when we get off sidelines, stop with the side conversations.
How have you arrived at that conclusion?
That's a good question.
I don't know, just hearing all the stories about all this messed up stuff they did in the past.
I'm not even black, but I have a grudge against them.
Well, wait, but you're part white.
You're part white.
Can I just take go down this path?
What stories are you referring to in particular?
I don't know, just learning stuff in history.
Are you referring to slavery?
Hold on a second.
Can I just exactly?
Are you referring to slavery?
Yeah, and just like the treatment of them over time since then, like all the discrimination.
Do you think that white people were the only ones who engaged in slavery?
Probably not.
That's probably around the world, too.
Do you think that maybe the fact that you don't know that everybody engaged in slavery is part of the reason why you think the way that you do about this?
I don't know.
I don't think it has to do with my worldviews.
I think it has to do with the insecurity in myself.
I don't like the white part of me.
So I kind of project that onto others, probably.
Thank you.
Okay, well, that's that's a pretty, that's a pretty self-aware thing to say.
But like, just in terms of your knowledge, how do you think that like the transatlantic slave trade, how do you think they went about getting slaves?
Like, what do you think the process was?
Didn't they go up, like, that's that's part of America, right?
They like went into Africa and stole them from our homes.
Yeah, so you think that they just went to Africa and then like rounded them all up and like caught them, put them in sacks and then put them all together?
That's pretty much the gist of what I got.
So the reality of it is, and like it's not your fault for not knowing this education system is so flawed, that the Africans who were sold in the slave trade were sold by other Africans.
So there were slave markets in Africa where they would capture their own people and then sell them off overseas.
And there was also the Barbary slave trade as well, which was like Arabic Barbary pirates who would capture white Europeans and enslave them too.
And there was like over a million white Europeans that were enslaved during the Barbary slave trade.
And the Arabics were ones that were particularly brutal because they used to castrate the men.
And then if they were ever to be caught by another ship, they would chuck them all overboard, slit their throats and chuck them overboard.
So slavery happened around the world everywhere.
So wait, are you trying to say that white people were slaves too?
Yeah, white people were also slaves.
That's where the term slave comes from, is the Slavic region.
That's why Eastern Europeans are so oppressed even within Europe.
I don't know, but I didn't see them oppressed over here that much.
Like, didn't, I don't know.
In history, I don't see books talking about oppression of white people.
Yeah, that's the problem.
Why do you think that is?
Why do you think that is?
Because schools push it.
Why do they leave out white people being a victim of slavery in history?
I feel like we only learn U.S. history mostly.
Like, that's what I learned.
There was also racism against white people throughout the country as well.
The Italians faced persecution.
Every iteration of a new immigrant faced Irish and the Scottish cause.
You know how people make fun of the South?
You know how people make fun of that accent or whatever?
That's a Scottish accent.
It comes from the Appalachia.
They settled in the Appalachian regions.
The Hillbilly terms come from the Billy Boys.
Have you read your Thomas Sol, hey?
I haven't, no.
No?
Okay.
So I'm like, there has been racism basically, it's tribalism, basically.
Like, everyone basically says, this is my tribe, I'm against that one, and this is my tribe, I'm against that one.
The most evident and also the most culturally obvious one is between white and black people.
But it's like, what is your definition of whiteness, which is always contested?
And also when it comes to blackness, what constitutes blackness, which is another contested question.
Because white comes from a long line of like the Irish and all that.
And like she said before, the word slave comes from the Slavic people.
I'd also like to clarify a question with you.
Go ahead.
So you basically said that you think that there is sexism against men.
Yes.
What would you define as an example of sexism against men?
Like when a man is like, oh, go make me a sandwich.
Yes.
And I'm like, all right, you know what?
Go dig that hole outside.
I feel like that's very much sexist.
I don't reverse that.
I don't think so.
I would say sexism against men.
I would say sexism against men is truly defined by denigrating healthy masculinity and expecting them not to do those sort of things.
I think if you expect a man to be in this feminine, to be like, oh, be more emotionally expressive, they naturally don't go in that direction.
Women are more psychologically internal.
So we need that venting that sometimes men have to kind of basically maneuver.
And I think that's truly the definition of sexism, is to denigrate the patriarchy, denigrate masculinity.
And to be sexist is to basically say, submit yourself to me, let me take care of you, let me coddle you.
At that point, you're basically neutering.
Honestly, even in this generation, I feel like it's becoming more of that where these men are expecting, or they're like lacking sassy man ethicism.
Yeah, yeah, they're like lacking something to where like, oh, they're now the females of this generation.
The women were raised by independent females, and they're like the men.
Who do you think is in part in a grand step playing for that?
Like, who do you think is contributing to that largely?
What do you mean?
Could be into.
A lot of the rhetoric that you hear from women is basically like, oh, you know, that woman expects too much.
I'm going to be able to take care of him.
I'm going to provide him X, Y, or Z.
But when it comes to the pressure, when it comes to the practical application of it, as we kind of see sometimes, when you give a man so much, that's not healthy for him.
It's not nurturing, it's not peace, it's not something that you're from your natural femininity.
It's basically like you're taking yourself for granted.
You're taking your own virtues for whatever.
You're letting him take advantage of you, basically.
But it's also like, I don't know, I kind of lost the stream of thought, but it's pointless.
It's useless.
Like, it's basically trying to live up to a man's role, which it just doesn't naturally play out that way.
Yeah.
There's something to be said about the fact that if you say to a woman, make me a sandwich, that's meant to be derogatory.
But if you say to a man, do the, do like, mow the lawn, he's like, okay.
Right.
Right.
It's my role.
I don't know.
I just have never, I just never seen sexism in my personal life.
So, I just like I don't even know what you're talking about, really.
Like, you know what I'm saying?
Mental health.
Do you guys think labor?
Do you guys think that safety the fact that men get treated more harshly in the court of law is sexist?
Yes, I don't think it's sexist.
I think that as we've discussed with psychopathy, basically, like when a woman demonstrates psychopathy, because of her physical disadvantages, she can only go so far.
When a man demonstrates psychopathy, he can brutalize someone, basically.
So, I'm like, in that respect, I still think that there is supposed to be that gender binary.
So, you think that if a woman puts a gun to somebody's head and pulls the trigger, man does the exact same thing, they should be treated differently?
I think they should be treated exactly the same in that respect.
It's the same crime, but men tend to be more prone to that type of thing.
So, if they do it, if they do it to a more extreme extent, then I would agree that they get treated differently.
Yes.
But for the same crime, women get lesser sentences.
I'd say it's because we're still trying to deprogram or deconstruct, unfortunately, that binary.
Because women, when they committed a murder back in the 1800s, they weren't even barely prosecuted basically for it.
We were seen as being the docile sex.
We were seen as being politically neutral when we didn't vote.
We were seen as being like the weaker vessel.
And society took care of us, and they basically took that into account.
Nowadays, they're still trying to deprogram that.
They're still trying to get away from that.
But would you disagree with just like the no like other circumstances that crime happening?
Or do you think that's sexist that a man gets a worse punishment in terms of the prisoner?
It is sexist.
Yeah, it's definitely sexist.
Well, I mean, there's actually a case that's kind of recently related to us, and I forgot if we had brought this up on a previous show.
There was recently a woman who stabbed her boyfriend to death over a hundred times.
She stabbed him a hundred times in a weed-induced psychosis.
Oh, yeah.
And she got off on a hundred, she murdered someone, manslaughter.
She got a hundred hours of community service, zero time in prison, zero time in jail.
She got probation for two or three years and got a hundred hours of community service for killing somebody.
Imagine if we did that and then we just went after a man, because I got high.
If you were to reverse the genders, same circumstances, oh my god, he was in a weed-induced psychosis.
Bro, that dude's doing years in fucking prison.
I think the reason I pushed back on this one is mostly: what is the end objective then?
Do you want men and women to be socially basically punished at the same level?
Absolutely.
Yeah, pause.
Or do you want men to continue being full of their agency and to basically say women don't have this level of agency?
They're going to be basically put back into their quote-unquote place.
I think there are certain examples of things where if you take another human life, then in any circumstance, that is something that is worthy of a very severe punishment.
No, no, no, no, Gypsy Rose.
She should have never went to jail.
I'm not familiar.
I've heard of her.
Can somebody give us a 10-second recap of killed her mother?
So, pretty much her mom kept her secluded her whole life, put her in a wheelchair, like made up to her and all these doctors saying she had all these diseases as she was sick, she'd never be able to walk, do this, that, and the third.
Turns out, Gypsy Rose was like finding out she can walk.
She didn't have all these sicknesses.
Her mom was just keeping her pretty much hostage.
So she killed her mom, her and her boyfriend at the time.
Yeah, her mom would like physically abuse her, drug her, force her to be pretend she's paralyzed her whole life.
See, I think that there's probably some sort of a moral justification for what they did then.
I also think that people who do bad things to children, there's a moral justification to kill them, or at least, you know, I mean, I'm not familiar with the case, but I'm assuming that these alleged abuses were provable.
Yeah, yeah.
I mean, that guy's cool.
But that has nothing to do with it.
We're talking about the movie.
I agree with that.
I agree with all of these points, but I also ultimately say that a point in feminist literature is to make equality so much so that women are also drafted into military conscription.
They want to reach this point where we can truly put them and then get half of the front lines mowed down, bro.
That's how you're doing.
That's sort of like putting those women who can't physically.
The consequence of that is if you don't like modern women clamoring for equality, maybe push issues.
It doesn't take strength to pull.
I see what you mean, but those are different.
For example, women being drafted, the reason why women don't get drafted and shouldn't get drafted is because they're physically insecure to men, or they're physically inferior to men.
And that's why.
True, yes.
Men make better warriors.
But I completely agree.
But once again, feminism does not account for reality.
It wants us to be legally, politically, in every virtue, in every way, the society.
But you've got some of them at the moment, but then there's still all of this, like, these feminists fighting for equality in every single regard, except for going on the oil rigs, and except for driving the ISO trucks, which is essentially your point, and I do agree with you.
But with the specific case of murder, I think that if you kill someone and you do murder in the first degree, you deserve a very severe punishment.
Because I don't see the difference.
Unless you want to say that women are not as in control of their faculties, which I haven't seen the literature on.
I do agree that, yes, if someone kills someone, it doesn't matter what sex they are, they should receive the same punishment.
But I do think that there's a reason why men and women have always been treated differently in society, and it's to reinforce the fact that there's a lot of people.
I agree with that.
I agree with you, but just in terms of murder, it's a bit different.
I mean, you also made the argument that there's like a cohort of feminists out there that are trying to equalize the draft.
I mean, I just don't see any evidence for that, really.
I don't think there's a large swath of women or feminists who are trying to get equalization in the draft.
And I mean, you feminists and women have had over 100 years to make that an equal thing.
So really, when it comes to feminism, you're saying, well, there's this cohort of feminists who want equality in all realms.
I actually disagree.
Feminism is purely in the most generous sense of how I define feminism.
It's a woman's advocacy movement.
And it goes against women's advocacy to advocate for the equalization of the draft because nobody wants to be drafted.
However, the reality is men are the only ones that are subject to military conscription.
So what feminism is, is it's purely, again, in its most generous sense, I think feminism is much more nasty than how I'm defining it in the best, most good light way I can frame it.
Feminism is women's advocacy.
But here's the difference.
Feminism is not a fight for equality because if some sort of some version of equality comes to the detriment of women and not their benefit, said feminists will not fight for said equality.
If you don't stand to benefit in some way by the introduction of some type of equality, aka the equalization of military conscription and the draft, feminists aren't going to fight for it, even though that is the supposed and alleged mission statement of feminism.
Are you familiar with Phyllis Schlaifley?
Yes, Phyllis Schlafly.
Not really, no.
So she was trying to, or not she, but rather the feminists of the 70s were trying to propose the Equal Rights Amendment, which would make military conscription necessary for women.
50 years later.
That being said, no, no, no.
It's not there yet.
Feminism has always been for a minority of women.
The majority of women have always resisted it to the social conditioning that they received.
So for example, what we see nowadays is women rejecting the idea of redefining gender, redefining sex.
But unfortunately, what the establishment pushes is for that minority of women's voices because it will fractalize society to a point where we're all more controllable.
But feminism has always been something that every single generation has opposed.
So during the Equal Rights Amendments, they basically posed that women and men should be exactly the same.
I would say that I get what they're doing.
Has feminism been opposed?
Yeah, over the last 20 years or so.
The anti-suffragette movement has always been, there's always been a lot of people.
But look over the last 20 years.
Feminism is the culture.
Feminism is the mainstream.
Feminism has its claws in every system and every institution in this country.
If you look at the higher education system, if you look at corporations, if you look at governments, if you look at media, if you look at news, if you look at journalism, these are very feminist influence institutions and systems.
And also, the podcast that we're on right now is a perfect example of it.
And all of the other podcasts that have been sort of in the more manosphere, red pill space, they get demonized to no end because finally some people are actually talking to men in the modern world.
And these podcasts get called Toxic Masculinity and You Guys Hate Women and all that when really it's just a bunch of men getting together to try and figure out how to sort of navigate the modern dating world.
And then you get these podcasts where we come and speak to you guys and we might call you delusional at times, etc.
But yeah, so these podcasts are a perfect example of the way that if you dare to question feminism in the modern world, you will get dragged from pillar to post.
I completely agree on the same thing.
The same thing happens to women where if you question feminism, you're considered anti-woman.
That's always been the rhetoric, the tactic that they've used since the dawn of time.
And every iteration of feminism that we're acquainted with is the one that came from the generation before that established it as the mode of academia, of psychiatry, of media, of X, Y, or Z.
So that's why it's like in every generation, you basically have to look back to the paleoconservative era where that was the dominant culture and think, okay, well, if they reflect the same mindset that we have nowadays, where we're resisting the new but wanting to basically retain the old, or yeah, basically retain the old and we have some criticisms of what's currently going, oh, excuse me, of what's currently going on, then maybe then our quote-unquote progress should basically be a return to tradition.
Here, let's agree with that 100%.
To bring it back to Arson here, Arson, I think this all got started because we were asking, can you be racist against white people?
Can you be sexist against men?
If I recall, you said no to both, correct?
Yeah, I just haven't seen it, I don't know, in my personal life.
So, like, I don't know.
I feel like maybe if I seen what you're talking about.
Can I ask you a question?
So, do you think, for example, with the George Floyd situation, right?
Do you think that George Floyd's killing was evidence of racism?
Towards him, yeah, for sure.
Well, I mean, was it more like almost a general societal racism against societal influences?
Can I add something to that?
I was there when it happened.
He tried to stab a woman in the stomach and kill her, and she was with child.
He was also on drugs.
I thought it was a gun.
Okay, but that doesn't affect the fact that they already had him down on the ground.
Like, he wasn't in the middle of stabbing them.
You were there.
What are they supposed to do after he just stabbed a woman?
He was already in cuffs laying on the ground.
Are they already used to these same hands?
Are you trying to argue it's valid that they killed George Floyd?
Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on.
That's what it sounds like.
That's really what you're arguing.
Can I elucidate what they said?
Hold on a second.
So they're saying that that was a separate incident, yeah?
Wait, I gotta play it.
Wait, wait, wait.
Hold on, hold on, hold on.
I gotta play one thing.
Hold on.
Okay, keep going.
Sorry, you guys were going at each other.
So she's saying that it's a different incident at a different time when he did that to that lady.
So it's kind of more of a reflection of his character.
But on the day, he was also very high on fentanyl.
And it's come out in the post, in the coroner report, that he was actually didn't really die from his figuration.
No, the placement of the knee was based off of an Israeli defense tactic or technique that they would do, but it was towards the lower part of his neck.
So it couldn't have basically constricted his airpipes.
I'm not really trying to get into a debate about the death.
There does seem to be some dispute over that.
Well, let me make my point.
But it sounded to me like you said that that was evidence of some sort of sexism, or sorry, excuse me, not sexism, racism.
You know, the police perhaps are racist against black people.
And I mean, after the death of George Floyd, there was a widespread anti-racist movement, typically, you know, Black Lives Matter, for example.
Would you agree?
I agree that cops suck.
Like, I don't know.
Okay, I will have a question on that.
But so now, if that is evidence of racism towards black people, the discrepancy between, for example, and there's some dispute about the statistics on this, the discrepancy between, for example, they say that, and again, I've heard some conflicting arguments on this, that black men or black people are more likely to be victims of police brutality, police misconduct, police killings, for example.
that's evidence of racism now when it comes to could we make the argument that because for example white men are killed more frequently than women of any race combined would that be since you've agreed that they probably have a reason a good reason for being dead then So you're going to say that there's a good reason for a white person to be dead over a good reason for a black person to be dead?
No, I didn't say they're better, but I'm just, I'm saying, like, okay, I'm generally saying there's a good reason.
You know, obviously good people die also, but like if you're trying to talk about statistics, like there's probably, you know, I don't know nothing about statistics.
Well, let's talk about statistics, you know, which don't know nothing about statistics.
Right.
We're talking about a very small fraction of the population.
We're talking like 18% of the population is black.
They make up over half.
Well, let's not go there.
But anyways, violent suffrage.
That is relevant.
That is very relevant.
Not the views expressed by the people.
Can we not go down a spiral?
The views expressed by the other panelists do not necessarily reflect the views of the whatever podcast.
Okay, wait.
So it's not sure if you're going to engage with me on that, so I'll change the topic.
Going around the table, would you date?
Where's Zombri?
Zombri, I need your input, Zombri.
She in the bathroom, she's being.
Okay, I don't know if she heard my question.
Do you think that you're like, like the algorithm on your social media is probably like a reason as to why you say you've never seen these other scenarios before?
I try not to go on my phone that much.
Like I really only go, like I don't be on my phone like doom scrolling anymore.
I definitely used to when I was like bored a lot, but my Instagram shows me memes and like funny cats.
But you saw like DLM, you saw like all the riots and stuff like that.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
So you saw that, but you didn't see the, you never see the.
Wait, I'm confused how this is racist towards white people.
All you're telling me is all the stuff all the stuff that you're doing.
I think that it's actually like this is a very mainstream sort of point of view.
If you're apolitical, if you don't really focus too much on politics, you don't really look into it too much.
And if you don't really care about it too much.
Yeah, I know, but this is what I'm saying, though.
If you don't really look into it too much, then this will be because this is this dominant societal narrative, which is unfortunate.
So the question is, Zombri, going around the table, would you date a police officer?
Probably not.
Why is that?
Are you able to scoot into the table this way a little bit?
But why is that?
Actually, I don't know.
Maybe if he was cool at dressing all the stuff.
I don't know.
All right.
Definitely not.
Definitely not.
Why is that?
I feel like they'd be scary.
I'm going to get caught.
No, I'm just kidding.
Get caught.
Get caught doing what?
I don't know.
They just scared me.
They just scare me in general.
Like, I was just, anytime I've, like, interacted with a cop, they've been so mean and so rude.
So, I wouldn't, they probably all got anger issues.
Here, we'll come back to that, but I'll let everybody answer the question: would you date a police officer?
I would.
Okay.
No.
No.
Any reason?
I'm pretty sure, like, statistically, that they are like more, they're more domestic violence issues with like cops.
Okay.
Yeah.
I also would not date a Fed.
Would not date a Fed.
Okay, what about you?
I'm not date the Fed.
No.
Probably not, but again, I'm.
Wouldn't date a Fed.
Subject to change.
I'm a person who gets to know people, so like.
Probably not, but what about you back there?
I wouldn't because my dad was a former cop and I saw how that affected him.
She's a plant.
She's a plant.
It means that you've been put here by the CIA to spy on us.
Hi.
Back there.
I see you.
What about you?
Yeah, I would.
Okay.
I would.
For the same reason, I would have some hesitation because of the 40% DV stat.
Okay.
Can I actually say my only reservation as the one who said I would.
My biggest reservation would be the same reason why having a military spouse would be very difficult, would be the high mortality rate and possibility.
And so, especially depending on if it's the two of us, you know, together, I feel a lot more reasonable.
Okay, you're taking that risk and I'm the only one at fault.
If we have children and you're putting your life on the line every day intentionally, that's a big conversation to have.
It's a good point.
And it's a stressful job, you know.
Going back to you, Arson, you seem very passionate about this one.
It sounds like a lot of people.
Oh, I thought you were going to ask me a question.
You just don't like police officers.
You just don't generally like police officers.
Bro, I'm serious.
Wait, here's it.
Let me ask you a question.
Go ahead, go ahead.
I've seen cops.
Bro, I had the SWAT team called on me one time.
What did you do?
Arson.
We were literally just playing with fake guns, like filming a video where we were pretending to be spies.
And the whole SWAT kids called on us because we were on top of a parking garage.
And they were so mean.
Oh, my God.
Like, we were a bunch of girls dressed in tiny freaking crop tops and tall platforms.
We're obviously not doing anything wrong.
And I don't know.
They were just telling us to get on the ground and all the scary stuff, aiming like big AKs at us.
And there was like three cars.
And I was just like, you know what I mean?
Have you ever thought about starting a podcast?
Story time.
You know what?
We'd be so good.
We should sign Arson.
Please, dude.
You've got talent.
It's going to be Arson.
Girl.
Zombrey, Kayla, we're just you guys and your.
Yeah.
Austin and Kat, and you're just laughing in the background.
Kayla's like a little thing.
All right.
It's in the works.
We'll draft up the contracts.
We'll get them to you here soon.
So, okay, you got the SWAT team came, but you don't, you would not.
What if he was all blasted in tats and he listened to my chemical romance?
It was cool.
If he was cool, like, you guys look sick.
Like, you know, I'm fleshed off.
You know, the typical cop.
They took all of our stuff.
Oh, shit.
Like, I don't know.
They're just so rude.
And then there's been like another time where my ex-boyfriend got arrested and stuff because they thought he was like, he thought he was this guy who got in a shooting down in the, like, the block over.
Down the block.
And so, like, literally, they manhandled him.
They were like knocking on our door saying they were going to break down our door.
And like, it was just a whole thing.
They stole his phone.
They put him in the cop cart.
Like, it was like a whole thing.
He literally didn't do anything.
So I just.
Literally did nothing.
Yes.
Literally did nothing.
How could they do that?
Because he looked like the suspect, which was crazy because he had bright purple hair and he was wearing a rainbow fucking hoodie.
Like, I was like, what should I do?
How many motherfuckers?
God, like purple hair.
Like, this man knows shit.
Yeah, so just like, you know, interactions I've had personally, I just don't like them.
Do you think, though, like, aside from not wanting to date them, do you think, like, we need police officers?
Probably.
There's probably situations where you need that.
All right, there we go.
But not dating them.
There we go.
Situations.
Okay.
All right.
Good to know.
Good to know.
Okay, let me try to get through everybody's notes here.
We did have a chat come in.
Let me read that really quick.
We have Pepe Sylvia.
Hey, Brian, can you please give the people what they want and ask Dog Girl to explain what a woman is?
Oh, okay.
Well, why don't we go around the table and have everybody.
Oh, gosh.
That's such an intricate question.
It's really not.
Starting with.
You're setting us up for Salem.
Starting with.
No, he's not.
Starting with the homegirl, Zombrie.
What?
What is a woman?
I guess a woman is like someone that should be independent and take care of themselves.
I don't know.
That was a very wholesome answer, okay?
Arson, what about you?
Women are awesome.
We're fairies.
We know magic.
We're witches.
We're just like these mystical, mythical creatures that run the world and just liberate the world and dominate it as well.
A woman is a biological human female.
It's very simple.
See, meow's bass sometimes.
I think people...
I like meow now.
Look, I have fun...
I have surprises.
Meow's good.
I'm sorry we fought before.
Let's not fight again.
I think people just assume based on the way you look that you're going to have.
I'm the same way.
Well, I think the thing is, is you're like temperamentally a disagreeable person.
And that agreeability, that's not like an insulting thing.
Agreeability is one of the big five personality traits, and I think you're probably, you strike me.
I mean, look, granted, you've been invited to a show to share your opinions and whatnot, but you're probably, I mean, correct me if I'm wrong, you strike me as a very disagreeable person.
Carmen, would you say knowing me in my personal life that I'm a disagreeable person?
Not really.
Are you guys friends?
You guys look like unlikely friends.
Why?
No, we're best friends.
I don't know.
Why are we, did you say, why are you friends?
No, I don't know.
I don't see the not being friends thing.
Really?
I thought I didn't, I just wouldn't have picked up.
It's just physical, I mean, like eccentric, homely.
Oh, exactly.
Exactly.
Both kind of pale.
Of course they're friends.
I mean, I'm pale too.
I'm pale.
Yeah.
I think a lot of it is your facial expressions.
I would have thought you guys would be friends.
Yeah.
What about them?
Like when you're talking to people, you're like, you're very expressive.
Oh, yeah.
I think you have RBF.
What's it called?
You also have acting.
Well, I'm a female dog.
You have acting bitch face too.
Okay.
Fucking bitch.
Good talk.
What is a woman?
Whatever you want it to be.
No, Caitlin.
Come on.
She's like trying so hard not to get canceled.
Like biological, like what you're born with.
And then also if like after like 20 years you think you're a female, then I think you can have the right to call yourself female.
So like you can become a woman.
Yeah.
When you said female.
Female woman.
Like that's very female is like sex.
That's very woman.
You can't become a nobody can become a female.
There's some debate over whether you can become a woman though.
Okay.
Womanhood as a cultural like social norm and transition versus biological.
Well it depends.
I mean I mean I'm like sort of just arguing the other side of this and you know there's gender and then there's sex.
Nobody can become, like, when we're talking about sex, we're talking about male, female, gender, woman, man.
I don't know how much I buy into that, but good talk.
Okay, what about you, Les?
I think a woman is definitely like how she portrays herself, how she carries herself.
I don't really think.
I don't know.
I think it really is just how you carry yourself.
So you carry yourself.
Okay, all right.
What about you?
Oh, please.
I agree with them, like for the longest time.
Okay, you know what?
I'm trying to not say something wrong, y'all.
Stop!
But definitely biologically female, just because I think there's too many issues that are just occurring with you just scoot your mic this time.
Yeah, perfect.
Okay, so definitely being biologically female at birth, only because I just feel like there's way too many issues currently that just outweigh the fact of like somebody trying to be hurt.
I'm sorry, y'all, but like protecting the kids, like, you know, protecting like women in general.
Like I stand on that.
Easy.
What about you?
Yeah, I think a woman is something like biological, but also you could.
What about Homeborough back there?
Wait, what's your name again?
Muskrat?
Is that your Instagram username?
Funkasaurus.
Funkasaurus.
What is it?
Funkasaurus.
Okay, shit.
Yeah, I just mainly agree with all these gals, just like what you're biologically born as a woman, and then how you hold yourself.
Have you ever slashed somebody's tires?
Yeah, I thought about it.
You thought about it.
Okay, just.
I don't want to get jails.
I'm not going to do that.
I just had an intuition for some reason.
Carmen.
One sec.
Oh, just we'll come back to that.
Okay, um, I mean, I have trans friends, they're cool, but a woman is biologically female.
Same answers.
I would say same answers for biological female, but there's also an essence of womanhood that needs to be complementary to that.
Yeah.
All right, we have another chat here.
Veyton thought, Brian feminists always rug pull, right to vote, no responsibility draft, FGM ban 1996, no circumcision ban.
Circumcision is objectively a human rights violation, which women on the panel would ban it.
I mean, I'm Jewish, so like, I'm not about that.
I'm sorry.
Wait, circumcision?
Like, would you ban circumcision?
You say you're in favor of it.
Yeah.
You're in favor of it if you're Jewish?
To ban circumcise?
Yeah, I don't see any other reason aesthetic reason to circumcise.
So that's what I'm saying.
Oh, so you're in favor of banning it?
Yeah.
Okay.
Isn't it like the extra skin?
Like there's a higher possibility of getting like no.
That's what they say.
Yeah, but like just cleaning your dick.
Fake circumstances.
Either that or like if you're cutting it off, like they're cutting it off so they can have sex with more girls.
Well, from what I understand, you lose sensitivity and you lose a lot of factors about how you use music.
And like that's really unfortunate to take that away from a child that doesn't even have a choice.
Like they didn't even grow up yet.
So it's different.
How can you hurt your?
Oh my God.
Wait, here, let's just get everybody's answer.
Are you in favor of banning circumcision?
Not necessarily, but I have heard that it causes more health issues.
So.
Being uncut or being cut?
Being uncut.
Fake news.
Okay.
But I don't know.
I think it's absolutely disgusting to have four skin.
Like, I remember one time I pulled it back.
It tasted like dank cheese.
That's disgusting.
Bro, you are exposing yourself.
You can miss me with all that.
You guys saw all that.
I mean, I sort of object to your view, but at least I give you credit for being.
I love watching you say it.
Like honest.
She's got like no filter.
Like, forthcoming.
She's honest.
She's blunt.
She's forthcoming.
Something that is appreciated on the show, even if we disagree.
I think you stated your position.
Kayla, what about you?
I think ban it.
Yeah.
Based.
Kayla.
I definitely think it should be up in the air.
Like preference, I don't really think.
Wait, Ivory, can you move?
Your mic is kind of blocking her.
Well, I feel like it should be banned because like you're doing it as a kid.
Like when they're born.
Like that's like a bad.
They don't have a choice.
If they want to do it later, when they like actually can think for themselves.
Yeah, but I don't know.
I feel like I've met a lot of men that are like, oh no, like I couldn't have extra foreskin.
How would they know though?
Like there's no way to end.
What do you mean?
Well like if you've been cut.
No, if they're uncut, like that's what I'm saying.
If they're uncut, the guys that like grow up there, they're like, oh shit.
Like I didn't get fucking scared.
What are the negatives of being cut?
Like what?
Loser sensitivity?
Yeah, psychologically traumatizing for the baby.
They lose their sexual pleasure.
There's a dullness in general.
And also it's a necessary part of the body.
There's no reason for it.
It's going to grow as well.
There's no need for it to be.
It looks like they have enough chillis or I don't know.
I've never seen a guy that would circumcise and be like, I do not get enough pleasure right now.
He wouldn't know because he was robbed in childhood.
Well, yeah, they wouldn't.
They wouldn't have anything to compare it to.
But what if we can personally make those comparisons based on our experience?
What do you mean?
Like between sleeping with a guy who's cut and sleeping with a guy who's uncut.
Well, that's about your experience, the way that you feel, not his sensitivity, not his experience.
I mean, I guess.
I think she's talking about how quickly you know.
Oh, yeah.
Wait, what?
Wait, how easy it is to ask.
Does that make sense?
Circumcise in Australia?
Yeah, they do on circumcision.
They do sometimes.
Not this guy.
Oh, but they do sometimes.
There you go.
Stop.
Okay.
This girl needs to chill.
Somebody please.
Oh, no, water right now.
Wait a minute.
Chill about what?
What she?
Nothing.
I'm confused.
Mr. Ozzy, but it's okay.
Wait, is there like a love connection?
No.
I mean, it might be one way.
I was a baddie before.
I'll take it.
Circumcision over here.
I'm really glad that my partner's on circumcised.
I would ban circumcision.
Based?
I mean, my ex was uncircumcised.
Not really.
That's really mean.
Isn't it great?
When they actually feel pleasure?
Yeah, absolutely.
I feel like they're feeling pleasure either way.
You can't really determine.
Yeah, so.
Well, what if I threw this statistic out there?
Let's say that in 3% of, it might be less than this.
I don't know if we can look up the statistics.
Let's say 1% of circumcisions go wrong.
Like, there's some sort of damage that occurs.
Like, they cut some part at the end of the day.
I've seen it.
There's even men who, some men will have, the whole penis gets chopped off.
Part of it gets chopped off and they lose sexual function.
Let's assume that that's even just 1%.
On that basis alone, do you think it would be warranted to just do away with the practice of circumcision?
Are there disadvantages, though, of having that foreskin on or no?
Sure.
Look, there are some men, for example, who perhaps their foreskin doesn't form properly and they might have difficulty.
I think there are some men where the skin's too tight and it causes them pain.
I don't know how frequent that is.
But wouldn't you find that out later?
You would, and I mean, you would.
You may, if the pain is substantial, you may want to undergo a surgery in adulthood.
Then I guess maybe as an infant, Until they have that choice, then yeah, I guess it should be taken out of a choice.
I guess that condition is typically for infants and they usually grow out of it.
I had a guy who's who had just didn't fit, you know?
So he had to get it done when he was like 14.
Good friend of mine.
No, but that's what I'm saying.
I think it was just a pussy kid.
No, it just kept growing and then it just got too sort of like pro-cow.
Yeah, something happened.
I didn't ask the final details, Brian.
Oh, okay.
I don't know what happened.
Here, going to arson.
She's back.
I want to touch really quick.
You said you've transcended dating and that you're in a cult that's focused on world liberation and domination.
We'll talk a lot about.
I said we'd talk about it for a little bit.
So do you want to tell us a little bit about the cult?
And I have some questions I can ask you, but.
Yes, so basically, I found this group of girls where we're all like this similar type of delusional, basically.
And we've bonded so strongly over it.
The delusion?
Yes.
Wait, you've bonded over being delusional.
Yes.
Not like other people.
We'll have meetings once a month.
We're at Airbnb.
And, you know, of course, cast spells, do rituals, made a blood pact.
Did you guys cast any spells about whatever possible?
You literally cast it.
Last night?
We did one last night.
Blood magic.
We took her blood.
Yeah.
Her blood.
And we take spells of the blood.
I would urge you.
We are in helmade.
I'm in the old helmet.
My god.
I would urge you girls to be very careful with what you say.
She's trying.
She used to take it.
It's menstrual blood also.
Yeah.
Menstrual.
You guys are.
I'm sorry.
You might think it's a bit of fun.
What do you think?
You're going into something that's pretty dark there.
I have so many stories.
That's subjective.
Also.
Objective.
No, it's really fun.
I'd say that you're tapping.
What do you do with the blood, though?
For real.
What do you do with the blood?
I'd say transference.
You mix all your guys' blood together.
No.
No, no, no.
I'd say that's.
What you're calling delusional is basically you being a very emotionally intense person as a recovered where you want that true love.
And the girls that you are sympathizing with that understand you are those who also want that true love.
But the men that you're finding because of the poison that you kind of crave are the ones who take advantage of that.
So in order to take more control over that, which has always been the history of witchcraft, you then try to use manipulation to get your way with these men.
But in reality, it's an unsustainable way of gathering control, I suppose.
A more sustainable way would be to, as has been mentioned on the panel, developing a level of awareness by taking in what people are telling you in a way where it won't disrupt your inner peace, but rather construct your perspective a little more.
I'd just be trying to have fun.
Like anything I find fun, like that's what I'm trying to do.
I don't want to even like go in too deeply about like, I'm not trying to be out here manipulating anyone.
Like if they're having negative energy, I'm casting out.
Do you believe in some sort of spirituality?
Do you believe that we live in a spiritual world?
I have my own version of a higher power.
And that's what, you know, because what a cult is, is like you all believe in the same like religion.
It's religious because you believe in the same higher power.
It's religious in structure.
But our higher power isn't like a deity or isn't a god.
Our higher power is the bond that we form with one another.
You know, because a higher power can mean like anything to you.
When you say you're doing like bloodletting rituals, do you sort of think about what kind of energy or spirituality you might be tapping into there?
Yeah, yeah, of course.
It's about a transference of energy.
Blood magic just makes the spell more powerful because you're transferring more of your energy in exchange for whatever you're manifesting.
Where do you think that energy is coming from?
To hold power.
Can you hear that syringe real quick?
You can't let the syringe.
There was a syringe.
Okay.
That's what I was just drawing it up in.
You just did it.
You did this at the table?
No.
Oh, my God.
I keep it on me as a token of a proof of my administration.
It's a symbol.
Angelina Jolie did something similar with Bobby Thornton.
I forgot his name.
But it's typically, once again, a manifestation of someone who's addicted to that level of pain, that level of chaos, that extreme.
And it's like you're a pendulum swinging intensely all over the place.
And I think for that reason, you kind of have that sort of like bubbled in perspective because most of the people around you will look at that and kind of be like, whoa, now.
But I think.
I find calm in chaos.
As somebody who's actually like delved into that, like accidentally, my friend taught me witchcraft and she also was accidentally learning witchcraft.
And someone who has literally suffered demon attacks and become disabled from being attacked, like they will choke you, they'll like, you will.
They got possessed?
No, no, like they'll attack you.
It's like actually manifestations.
If energy cannot be created or destroyed, you have to think about where the power from that energy that you're tapping into is coming from.
It's either going to be a vice or a virtue, and whichever side of that.
I just, I wonder if these kind of rituals and interactions, I wonder if they have any like leeway of inviting inviting the wrong kind of energy, like you say, energy into your life.
As in, you know, you talk about like the interpersonal issues of you feel like you're not, you know, finding people that are like you, but the people that you have found like you are encouraging you, it sounds like to do some very scary things, if I can be quite forward.
It sounds like that's subjective.
Absolutely.
And she has absolutely my psychology what she's doing.
I would say it's not so.
We're not dealing with demons.
We're dealing with the opposite of demons.
You don't think you are, but you are.
You are.
You are.
You just don't know yet.
It's kind of like a, there's a similar practice when it comes to like goddesses like Ishtar or Starde, which are Mesopotamian goddesses, which they require blood sacrifices and then they empower quote unquote women who basically worship them, which you then worship the succubi or the Liliths or whatever.
Exactly.
Anyways, so when it comes to appealing to these types of ideas, these energies, let's say, ideas, rather, it's like, it's more destabilizing to have to rely on yourself and your own way of protecting yourself using all of these different energies, all of these different ways.
Because at the end of the day, drawing your own blood is a form of self-harm.
So it's like you're ultimately hurting yourself to gain control over a situation because that's the only thing you really have control over.
I don't know, hurting yourself, it's like, you know, a person might like a tattoo, even though it's an awful lot of people.
That's a form of self-harm.
Some people think it really feels good.
Okay, but you're doing it in like a ritualistic way.
It's like when someone gets tattoos, a lot of tattoos, you can typically tell that this person's a very emotionally driven person.
This is someone who's basically in a moment of impulse, like low impulse control, they'll basically go for it or whatever.
So once again, it's like all of these forms of self-harm feel good to the person.
And anyone who engages in that behavior says that it feels great, that it's liberating.
Okay, if you're doing like actual self-harm in a place of like sadness or depression, like that's when obviously it's not.
Even like the blissful thing.
if you're doing it in like but not not real self-harm you know what i'm saying like well even overeating is self-harm and you can sit there and just eat an extra bag of chips and it's totally It doesn't seem to cut you, but it will hurt you over.
It's all a measure of trying to take control of the only thing you have control over, which is your body.
If you don't have control over your emotions, if you don't have control over those around you, the only person that you can take control out of is yourself.
And if you don't have anything constructive to look forward to, anything organized to look forward to, the only thing that you can take control over is hurting yourself by destroying yourself.
So people who get tattoos in honor of their lost loved ones, is that self-harm?
I'd say that there's a better way to handle it personally, but no, I would say, I mean, technically, actually, yeah, because then you're doing grief.
Yeah, grief, exactly.
Yeah, it's a form of grief.
And can I say that Satan is a trickster?
Like, you're never going to go, like, most people don't go in being like, oh, I'm going to go worship the devil today.
Like, a lot of it.
I just don't believe in hell.
A lot of it is self-divination.
Okay, well, you should.
Okay.
There's not, you should not believe in it.
I also have a struggle in believing in hell myself, despite being religious, only because I was raised Jehovah's Witness.
They don't believe in hell or heaven.
But in the sense of believing in hell, if you just look at the people who basically indulge in the most self-harming behaviors, the people who basically have no control over their life, they are already living in a little bit of hell.
I don't know if you've seen the movie Hellraiser by I think Wes Craven from 1980.
Is that with the spikes?
Yes, yes.
Pinhead.
So that's a perfect example of how someone who the opposite of pain is not pleasure.
That's it's like counterpart basically.
So that movie illustrates it perfectly, where it's like someone who's addicted to massive amounts of pleasure through massive amounts of pain.
And being in that fleshy state is a measure of being out of control.
So a place to be is in the middle, a balance, where you're no longer dependent on how you feel or how your body's experiencing whatever, but rather staying in a peaceful spiritual zone inside of yourself.
Yeah.
It's just all about manifestation.
Like I realized what manifestation and like putting your energy towards a certain thing can literally like actualize it so well.
So it's literally just about the highest form of manifestation you could perform.
You know what I mean?
It's not too like fucking Satan or the devil or whatever like because like for me like that's just not even something in my brain.
Doesn't know red flags when you say that you're in a cult and you do bloodletting rituals?
No, not to me personally.
Again, it's literally that delusion that like and Satan will trick you.
I didn't know I was practicing witchcraft.
A ton of people don't even know that they're doing very like demonic witchcraft type of things, right?
like you could go to Barnes and Noble be like oh my gosh in the kids section little spell book like it's it's all just so cute and it's like fun and you think it's like just what you're saying has no validity to me because I don't believe in it and I don't really know what you're talking about You said you were casting spells when it comes to, but if you believe in the power in witchcraft, where can that be?
Exactly.
It's not from Satan.
It comes from the divine energies of the universe that like manifestation work on.
When it comes to what James was saying, there's a level of desensitization going on where you're still used to the extremes that which other people who aren't so in the extremes consider to be harmful behavior.
But that plays hand in hand with why it is that the guys that you engage in intimacy with tend to have cheese somewhere.
That tends to be why guys will take advantage of you or hurt you is because those are the extremes that you encounter.
If you end up pulling yourself away from those extremes, you then encounter a more peaceful, a more loving, a more supportive role for you inside of yourself, basically.
Someone will try to...
That's why I like women, and that's why I don't talk to women.
Women do give me that peace.
But you're still going after you.
Women are more capable of women.
You're not getting out of the way.
I'm not going after men whatsoever.
I'm talking about past experiences and being part of the conference.
But if the women that you're around, if they end up getting emotionally quote unquote better, if they end up finding a partner that basically takes them away because they go to start a family, do you feel like at some point relying on a woman who might go away could be a place of you being stranded on a lonely island?
Nah, the women that are in the group that do have boyfriends, like, because there's people, everybody in there is about, we have our own individuality.
We don't like, you know, it's about a place of no judgment.
So people in there do, do, it's not even just about like all hating men.
But whenever, whenever girls are in, we're in our group, it's always talking about the abuse of men.
Like literally.
So it's a place where that topic festers.
That sounds really painful to have to talk about over and over and over again while doing physical bloodletting rituals.
It is definitely not.
It doesn't sound like good vibe manifestation at all.
No, there's good vibes and bad vibes.
We stay like a whole like night to two nights together.
So we have our like good moves and bad moves, you know?
I know what you're talking about.
I definitely know what you're talking about, but there's no solutions offered to get out of that situation.
If there's other people living a life where they don't encounter that, that's just venting.
We don't have therapists.
We are each other's therapy.
But that's bad vibes and then you're also opening up doors that you have to do.
That might be a lot of fun.
No idea how to close or no idea how to manage.
Do you think it's like safer options for you to be able to still be like a part of a group like that?
Oh, yeah, for sure.
There's safer options.
But, and, and mostly, it's not even, that's just something we do kind of like just for fun, just to like really manifest.
You know, that's not like we're all about just being like super like cultie witches.
Like, it's mostly just about love.
Like, it's literally about pure love for each other.
The justice is a little bit different.
So, say that to the beautiful princess to manifesting itself again.
Yeah, but that's the trick.
Like, I've been in your shoes when it comes to this.
Same.
And I hope you never have to go through what I went through to get to where I am today.
But you will.
The shit that I've been through, like, probably have you all having PTSD for sure.
But probably.
But, like, I don't have any.
Like, literally, when something really traumatizing bad happens, like, I'm able to forget about it like the next day.
That's exactly what I was talking about.
That's not healthy.
That's called dissociating.
Exactly.
Yeah, I'm really sorry.
That inflated ego, that super hyper-inflated ego is just to show that you have very low self-esteem.
And probably that's the thing.
Because of the desensitization, you've been through so much that it's basically filed down the sharpness of reality to a point where you don't feel reality anymore.
And there's a lot of girls who go through that experience because we live in a society that basically throws them to the dogs, basically, by virtue of, I guess, to go back to politics feminism.
So you're basically left on your own to have to handle reality on your own.
But it's like that desensitization, that level of like, oh no, I'm totally fine.
You know, I'm running away from problems, problem, all these problems happen, all these terrible people around me, all these bad things keep happening to me, but I'm totally okay.
You guys just don't understand reality.
Y'all don't understand anything.
No, like, that's how my life used to be.
Ever since like I've joined this women cool, it's literally been so lit.
And I wonder why.
No, technically, it's a step in the right direction.
It's technically not the ideal place to be.
It's not in the community.
But it's going in.
It's just that there's going to be issues that might make themselves super presented to you where it's like, huh, this might be a place that I'm not gaining any answers from.
And then you might want to take another step forward.
And that goes for every woman, too.
It's not just you.
It's not like you're a good woman, that's a bad woman, that's a bad woman, you're a good woman.
It's just a state that you might want to move.
I worry that rehashing your trauma so consistently with other women while doing substances or once taking out blood, things like that, it physiologically does affect your body.
And I just fear, I fear that it will trap you in those feelings with those places more than let that go.
It does allow it to trap in you.
You won't grow in an echo chamber.
I don't know.
Ever since I have, I've just watched my life elevate in so many ways.
So it's just like, it feels like it's working.
Okay, and it feels like it's working.
That's why I said Satan is a trickster and it's going to feel really good.
And that's exactly the hedonistic kind of lifestyle that he wants you to live.
Because you're just thinking, oh my gosh, this feels great.
This is, this is, you know, I want, But you're not sitting back and looking at what am I losing at the same time.
I'd say you used to worship men as your God to be your salvation.
And now you're trying to worship yourself among other women.
So it's like you're trying to change what you consider your God because everyone worships a God.
So I think you're trying to change what you consider God and everyone on the panel is basically telling you they're like higher, more ideal, basically try to strive for something above you rather than even their own experience.
They've indulged in witchcraft personally.
Yeah, spot on.
I have had very severe demon attacks.
Like in my sleep, I would be choked.
I would be stabbed.
I could feel everything.
Like you could feel it, everything.
They're trying to take you.
Sadness happens to us.
Gosh, you've mentioned succubus before.
Yes, succubus.
Like a demon that comes and gripes you in your sleep as a man and creates other little demons.
It's so funny because I had a dream about that.
He was literally a succubus.
But tell me why I thought he was crying.
And that's how it starts.
I used to engage in being a little bit.
Final thought, then I'm going to move on.
Go ahead.
Being someone who loves the 1960s, the Beatles, and all of that jazz, I found myself engaging in some substances.
And I also started seeing demonic entities around.
And I was like thinking, oh, this is just my brain playing tricks on me.
But if you start seeing dark figures crawling up the walls, a sort of dark presence around you, it's not just your imagination.
It's what those substances elicit.
That's why they were considered spiritual before.
Lossboy, don't be a witch.
Don't be a witch.
All right, total gear shift here.
Do you guys object to men caring about body count?
Would you object to a guy if he took quarrel with, you know.
I got some input for this one.
Oh, my God.
So, well, I'll start again with Zombri and we'll go around the table.
Go ahead.
Like, do you mean like a girl's body count or a guy's?
A what?
Like a girl's body count or a guys?
Like, typically, I mean, women are totally entitled to prefer men who are not promiscuous or don't have a promiscuous past or have a low body count.
I do tend to hear it a bit more from men who tend to prefer women with a low body count.
Some women object to that.
Do you object to men preferring women with a low body count?
Do you think it's insecure, or do you...
No, I feel like it's not insecure, because I feel like if you've been with, like, a lot of people, then men aren't going to, like, take you serious.
Okay.
Okay.
Yeah.
I feel like it's ridiculous just because like that's just in a place of judgment.
You know, why are you trying to judge anyone?
Like, I don't know.
I think you should just have an open heart and open mind to anyone.
And if you have like negative opinions, then like literally.
Didn't earlier in the conversation though, you said you wouldn't date a guy who's shorter than you?
Yeah, but that's different than a body count because one is like you're born with it and one is like choices you've made, which could indicate poor behavioral choices.
I don't see how it's bad.
How is body count?
Do you think somebody should be judgmental towards their partner or towards a person that they take seriously in a relationship?
No, that's why I don't, I don't know, like, I don't know.
Just body count in general, I just don't see where it's bad, you know?
I think that kind of plays hand in hand with like the lack of standards, where it's like you just want someone to love you unconditionally because there's like a level of a lack of self-awareness.
You're just like, please, whatever I am, love me as it is.
But because you don't have standards for other people, then you hope that no one else has standards for your behavior.
But in common society, we need standards to make sure that we filter people who might be dangerous or harmful to us or others.
That's valid.
That's valid.
Speaking to a potential partner, I think it's valid to care about body count.
Like, absolutely.
Like, I don't think it's judgmental.
I reject the premise that it's judgmental toward men or women, but especially for men, I think it's like a strange premise to care and get all up in like a tizzy, like if the same energy is not exchanged.
So if you want to be with somebody that is not judgmental, and yeah, they can be with whoever, then that's fine.
But it completely is valid that I want a partner that I can rely on.
I want a partner who I know will stay with me.
And a lot of people find that proof in the pudding, which is their lifestyle.
How many people have you been with?
How long are your relationships?
What was the context of your sexual or otherwise relationship?
And I think that's important.
Caleb.
The question was, like, what was it again?
Like, do you, okay, body count, should it matter?
And then do you object to men caring about a woman's body count?
I think that it's stupid if the man has a high body count and they like want someone with like a low body count.
Like, it should be equal.
Like, Jesus, does that make sense?
Don't like go searching for like someone with like no, like a really low body count if you fuck like 100 girls.
Like do you find that that's kind of a common thing for men?
Like even men who've had a promiscuous past, they prefer women with low body counts.
Do you think there's a corresponding like women with do you think there's a corresponding like women with high body counts like they're desiring men who are virgins?
No.
No.
Okay.
Yeah.
That's kind of like virginal men, but that's just my only thing word.
I don't necessarily object to men feeling some type of way about body counts, because I'm not gonna I personally am not gonna go around getting with any man, being in a relationship with any man that's slept with everything, everyone because if you have this many body count, oh anyone can have you.
Like, you have no standards for yourself.
So I kinda understand if they would have some kind of standards for us where it's like I would hope you wouldn't fuck this many people or have this high of a body count, I mean, but then does body count define how many people you're gonna sleep with in the future?
Like what if that was your past?
It's a good indicator, can be a good, I mean it could.
It could be a red flag, depending on how it's looked at.
Yeah, can I have you scoot your mic?
I do this every time.
Huh, your answer, um, no.
I agree with her that if somebody has standards and preference, then that's their standards and preference, okay.
you can you can answer I don't believe that that should be a question partners ask each other at all to begin with, okay.
So then you do object to men having caring about body count?
Yes okay, I don't object to it.
I'm on the same page.
Did you thoroughly answer, did you?
I don't think so.
I don't think men should care about another girl's body count.
Can I ask you, both of you why, like why?
Why do you think that should not matter, do you?
And do you think men are insecure if they would care about that?
I feel like it varies on the person.
It can be from insecurity or it could not be.
I personally, I guess I'm gonna expose myself a little.
My body count is a little high than I would like to, but the reason why it's high is because I talked to a lot of guys and I thought having sex with them would make them want to pursue me or take me on a date or something like that.
So I guess that's why I'm not.
I'm saying like body count really shouldn't matter, if that makes sense sure um, what about you why?
Why should body count not matter?
Or probably same reason as her.
I feel like everyone has a past sure, and if you're getting into a relationship that you really want to be in, be in.
You guys shouldn't be worried about your guys' past at all.
Okay, and do you think it's insecure if a guy prefers a woman with a low body count?
Uh yeah, I do think it's insecure from personal experience.
Carmen, did you answer, uh yeah, I said I don't object to it.
And so yeah um, I don't object to it.
I I had the unfortunate bad habit of asking guys for their body count, which would oftentimes surprise them.
But yeah no, I think that it's very important for both men and women and I think that it needs to be within the same range where, if you're a man who's had sex with a bunch of women, don't aim for a virgin because you're going to abandon her the moment you end up hypothetically having children with her.
They oftentimes are more likely to cheat.
They're more oftentimes to give more attention to women and normalize the idea of, oh, an affair is just something men do, it's no big deal.
They have no consideration for their, for the emotional needs of their wife.
Likewise, a A woman having sex with a lot of guys can indicate, hey, if we're having marital problems, you might start to emotionally fancy another man and then you led astray.
Okay.
So a couple follow-up things here.
I wanted to address your thing where you said, well, if a guy who has a high body count, it would be maybe hypocritical or a double standard for him to desire in a partner a woman who has a low body count.
Yes.
So I actually, I disagree with that.
I actually don't have any issue with a man who has a high body count desiring a woman with a low body count.
And I don't have an issue with a woman with a high body count desiring a man with a low body count.
I tend to think that women with high body counts probably are much less likely to desire sexual purity in men, but that is certainly what I think is evolutionary and a biological difference between men and women.
But what I would ask you is, when it comes to, well, if you've had a high body count, then you can't desire women with a desire women with a low body count, or it's hypocritical.
It might be hypocritical, for example, if a man with a high body count was out or who is promiscuous or is promiscuous shamed women for their promiscuity.
Now, again, I do think there are some differences between men and women when it comes to that.
But overall, I would agree there, if he's like shaming women for their behavior, but he's partaking in said behavior, that would meet the actual definition of hypocrisy.
But I don't think it's hypocritical to not possess a trait and desire said trait in a partner.
For example, I would argue that women desire a wide variety of traits in partners that they themselves do not possess.
So for example, a woman who's not funny may very well desire a man who's funny.
A woman who's short may very well desire a man who's tall.
A woman who has no money, she may very well desire to date a man who's exceptionally wealthy.
A woman who has no status, she might want to date a man who has a lot of status.
A woman who's not a professional athlete would very much like to date a professional athlete.
So I don't think it makes you hypocritical to desire, like, need you possess a trait in order to desire that trait in a partner?
And I think the answer is no.
I just think it's hypocritical because like why do you want someone with no like very little sexual experience?
Why do you want to commit to sexuality?
Because a lot of value chastity.
But you have a lot of sexual experience and like the other person doesn't.
But why do broke women want to date rich men?
You're not.
Why do broke men want to date rich women?
They don't.
Yes, they do.
I beg to differ, my ex was, I beg to differ.
Look, look, I'm sure, I'm sure.
I'm sure you have a few examples.
I have no doubt about that.
But for the most part, men don't really care.
And if you're a broke man who's going for a rich woman, it's just bum behavior.
But men and women are different.
We have different sort of interests.
So I'm going to really value the chastity of a woman.
Whereas women might value that.
And if they value that so much that they can't look past it, then I fully agree with your standards as well.
If you're a woman who has a very low body count and you say, I don't want a man who has a high body count, then absolutely.
Yeah, each to their own.
But I do think that they value different things.
Like Brian just said, women value men with resources.
We don't particularly care about that.
Women value height, strength, competence, capability, all of these sort of things.
We don't really care about that.
One of the things we really do care about, though, is chastity, is to know that we're somewhat exclusively, I've had your body and not too many other people.
I would also say that although men can desire chastity in a woman, it's very rare for a woman who does value chastity with a low body count or a virgin to ever give those men attention.
And that's why they tend to build resentment against the women that they can have because they want that quote-unquote virgin, but they can't have her because she already sees through what his intentions are.
Meanwhile, they aim for the girls who lack standards or can't see through their games, and they'll play with them, and then they'll hurt them because they basically don't respect them, essentially.
And that's also symptomatic of how they're not masculine.
I think it also shows like a level of like immaturity and just like irresponsibility for like because sex for a woman is very different for like for sex with a for a man in the sense that we can have kids, right?
That's a big thing.
You know, not to mention all the other things that I mean men can also have, but I mean, I think that's just extremely irresponsible.
But I would say when it comes to chastity, I would say that the reason that both sexes value chastity is for the same reason.
Women don't want a man to be looking at another woman that's sexually provocative and thinking, oh, well, you know, let me just lack discipline and go after her, and vice versa.
Men don't want a woman who's going to be emotionally led astray by a man and then give him sex all in the attempt of getting him to like her or in an attempt to basically say, oh, you've flared up these emotions in me.
That means that now I have to give you sex or whatever.
I agree.
Yeah.
So for those of you, actually, we'll just go around the table on this.
Body count does not matter.
What's your body count?
Starting with Zombrie.
Can I ask a clarifying question first?
Sure.
Do you mean like penetrative sex or like foreplay or anything like that?
Penetration.
I would say penetrative sex too, but I just, I like when the p goes in the V. Okay.
Yeah.
He was kissing in middle school count.
I was dating someone for five years, from 17 to 22, so mine is only six.
Okay.
How old are you now, sir?
26.
26.
I lost track, honestly.
I don't know.
I don't have a journal where I wrote down all the names, so I literally have absolutely no clue.
Like if you had to give a range, like an estimate.
Like I literally don't know.
I have no clue if it would be like 30, 100, or over that.
Like I have no clue.
Well, do you think it's over 100?
I possibly.
I'd have to like do hella math.
I was dating someone for four years, but from like 15 to 19, like, I don't know.
There was like at one point where I was on Tinder and I was doing it like every week.
There was one time I did it twice in one day with two different guys.
So I don't know.
Like when I was younger, I was out here.
But yeah, I don't know.
Couldn't please switch down out, but like, I have no clue what that number is.
Really?
Okay.
So no sense of a range.
It could literally be to anywhere between 30 to like 200 or like somewhere around that.
30.
Big range.
That is the same thing.
Stopped writing it down after 15.
Wait into the mic if you can, but.
Okay, stopped writing down after 15.
So okay, anywhere from 30 to 200.
Oh, I missed the numbers.
That is a huge range.
Yo, if you're going to talk, please put it in the mic.
Go ahead.
What about you?
I valued the body count.
I thought it was valid for the men to do it.
Yeah, I mean, just since we're going around the table, care to share the body count?
Sure.
One.
Oh, okay.
Cool.
Like 30.
Like 30.
Yeah.
Okay.
Mine's four.
Four.
Like nine.
I thought you did a whole basketball team.
No, I didn't.
Yo, it's Kat, your friend, her friend.
No, I didn't.
I said I did.
Chris Roke, seven dick kids.
I said I did two, and then she did the rest.
Multiply it by three.
That's amazing.
Okay.
What about you?
Let me see.
Maybe about eight.
About eight, okay.
What about you?
I don't feel comfortable saying my name.
Oh, come on.
You said earlier that, you know, you might have to.
I don't want it to be out there.
Nobody watches this podcast.
It's 30 or 200.
No, my ex is going to watch this podcast.
No, nobody watches this podcast.
Oh, your ex?
It's your ex.
Yeah, I know, but he doesn't want it out there.
He doesn't want to be out of it.
But he's your ex.
Why does he have a say on what's out there?
Are you still fucking him?
Yes.
Okay.
Wait.
Do you want to give a range?
How about that?
Is that more fair?
Just say undo something.
It's around Kayla's twins.
Multiply it by three, and that's the real number.
Carmen?
No, I do value it, but mine's five.
Okay.
What was the question that we do value it?
Oh, no, just mythical virgin.
Oh, what?
The mythical virgin?
You know, like the unicorn.
I'm the unicorn.
Like born-again virgin?
No.
So are you actually a virgin or are you like?
I've never had penetrative sex.
Oh, period.
Oh, like, period.
I love that for you.
Yeah.
Is that cat?
No.
I trust.
I trust you.
I trust you.
I leave her.
That's true.
That's Xbox kids.
From Canada.
I'm absolutely terrified of diseases.
Okay.
And so even though I messed around, I literally, like, that was like a big role for me.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Okay.
Well, I'll come back to that really quick.
But Angelica, what about you?
Closer to the mic, please.
About like 14,575.
I'm just kidding.
I'm just kidding.
I can count it on one hand.
Okay, everybody on your news.
Okay.
Wait, so going back to you though, Raven, you said you're a former OF model.
You used to strip.
You said you were a you mentioned you had 304 days.
Three what?
In your pre-show messages to us, you said you had three OFO days.
I had hoe days.
Hoe days.
Oh my god, stop.
And that ended in.
That ended in.
That was probably just kissing a boy in a tree.
No, wait, what?
No.
You said that that ended in 2020, but you did.
And when we asked for clarification for what you meant by hoe days, you said that as days of being promiscuous.
Yeah.
What's your idea of promiscuous?
Oh, I mean, just like, I don't know.
Like, you're like hanging out.
I used to go to parties.
And just like.
Did you give hand jobs a lot?
I don't.
No.
Where you can?
I don't like.
I have a thing with hands.
I like germs.
I don't like touching.
Hand jump like a poshwank we call it.
Anyways, is there a BJ count?
What's the BJ count?
I was more so into like watching, and then if guys would ask to like do stuff to me, and if I was into it, I would like do that.
Like I had a lot of guys that were like into feet, so they'd ask to like massage my feet and like suck my toes.
That's probably worse.
No, but I've had like, I've had like other stuff.
I feel like this is the equivalent of being like, I used to be a gangster and just snorting smarties.
Is that really?
People used to do that.
No.
Wait, hold on.
But hold on.
Okay, so in your pre-show notes here, you said, and I'll just read what you wrote.
You said when I was 16, I started selling feet pics and gaining a following online.
That too.
Okay.
You said you were going on Omegle to kind of experiment with doing shoes.
I don't know how to fucking pronounce that shit.
I know.
Yeah, I'm a fucking boot nerd.
You said you started going to doing things on camera.
As soon as you turned 18, you started going to sex parties and got targeted by.
I don't think I want to talk about the whole trafficking thing, but how do you like go to a?
I mean, you could go to a sex party and not do anything, but it's like kind of like makes me raise an eyebrow, like you claiming to be a virgin, but like in your pre-show notes, you said you had hoe days, you said you're promiscuous, you said you went to sex parties.
No, I never did that either.
No, I never did that.
So you lied in your survey?
What?
No.
I'm confused.
You never did what?
Oh, oh, the person just put up a comment.
I was like, I didn't do that.
Please, please.
We were paying attention to what we're talking to us.
Oh, I'm so sorry.
I'm so sorry.
I'm sorry.
No, you're good.
I'm sorry.
You can stop apologizing, but please continue with the conversation.
Yeah.
What was the question?
How do I maintain it?
How are you still a virgin when you're having all of these different experiences?
Okay, wait, on a real note, Leslie and I do have to drive five or six hours to the mountains.
So we do have to leave soon.
Irrelevance.
Okay.
So, the hoe phase.
Yeah.
It was like a footho phase.
It was honestly more for attention.
If I, okay, so again, lesbian, like former lesbian.
I love you.
Like, being awesome.
Yeah, former lesbian, like, you know, used to, like.
You know how that works?
I see what you mean.
And if, like.
Oh, so the scissors.
Jake.
I never.
Diseases.
Jake.
My friend's getting a little jelly.
Oh, my God.
You'll get some attention.
You left your own.
You left.
Young man's alone.
It's okay.
Next conversation.
So because you've never had penetrative sex, that's why you consider yourself still a virgin is because, even though you've been around these things.
Well, that's like the definition of a virgin.
I would consider what I did like as foreplay.
I follow.
Yeah.
That's what I'm saying.
You would be the one that's like into BDSM or something.
Hey, yeah.
Period.
BDSM.
Well, that's a big, like, a part of the world.
It's a very foreplay.
Well, with people misunderstanding me and like what I am about.
Yeah.
What is BDSM?
Bondage, submission, dominance, mass sadism.
It's all, it's, it's kinky sex, whatever.
But it doesn't have to be sexual.
It's all about power play, but that's the, that's what people will assume about me.
They look at me and they think, oh, okay, she's kinky.
Okay, this is what you want to assume.
In reality, it's like, I literally just like want to play fetch.
Like, I'm not, I don't want you to like abuse me.
Like, I just want to play fetch, dude.
This is literally the freakiest girl that I've ever met that hasn't had sex.
Like, that's wild to me.
Yeah, that's a wild shame.
I was just very curious.
When I looked at you, when I first came in, I was thinking, choir girl, you know, someone who's like put a cute shirt on with like good vibes, it says.
Yeah.
I didn't know this was going to come out.
Normally I'm a good judge of character when it comes to little freaks, but that's why you got to be able to do it.
You shot it.
Even these shy girls, you got to be.
I'm not shy.
I'm not shy.
I just haven't had much chance to talk.
No, but like, even these kind of like these girls, you think, oh, she's probably a kid.
Oh, my gosh.
I used to literally look like her.
I used to look like her.
I've been toning down because like I want to find a husband.
Right, because you did say at the time.
At the time, I was a raging feminist with friends and family and you said you're a raging feminist.
Friends, family encouraging you to live that type of life.
After your baptism, you changed drastically.
I used to have split dye hair.
What did you, so when you were raging feminist, what did you used to think of men?
Like what, being a raging feminist and all?
Oh my gosh.
What denomination are you?
What did you convert to?
Oh my god.
Thank you for derailing my question.
Appreciate it.
Yeah.
What was like, how was I as a rate?
Yeah, alone.
No, I hated men.
And that's kind of like how I was raised.
Like, men are disgusting, men are evil.
Men are always like the perpetrators.
Yeah.
Good for you.
Glad you found your way out of that one.
Thank you.
Oh my gosh.
So I have a lot of crazy stories, but like my family, so my aunt was like, kind of like, as soon as I was born, she was kind of like, I want to like latch onto you.
You are like my child.
And she tried to just like push all this stuff in.
She probably worships Lucifer.
Hereditary.
She literally, she's a professional protester.
And she tried to get me in on that.
She's been touched by Lucifer.
Yeah.
And I'm like, I'm like, I love you.
But, you know, that's been a really hard thing.
Honestly, that was more like recent.
Like, I kind of had to be like, okay, like, I'm not talking to you anymore.
But it was like a lot of like, like, just like, I feel like indoctrination.
The other family members, they actually, like, like, after Biden, they, like, all of us really jumped ship after Biden.
Let's go.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So you're like, we saw horrible in that.
Huh?
You guys are MAGO.
I wouldn't say we're like, oh, my gosh, like, at the rallies.
It's nice over here.
It's fine.
I wouldn't say I'm like at the rallies like going crazy.
I mean, I have thought about it, but I'm not like crazy, but I'm like, I just like Republican Party.
Just put that in the bathroom.
I like Ramashwami.
Do you like Ramashwami?
I like Ramashwami.
Yeah.
Me too.
I like Ramashwami.
Oh, so I actually, the church I went to was LDS.
Oh, I know, I know.
I actually just left.
Wait, so what denomination are you now?
I don't know.
Like, I'm my own family.
I love Orthodoxy.
I love Orthodoxy.
I have no idea.
I don't really like organized religion.
I think.
Bro, I'm going to have their hand.
I would say just out of a fly, out of curiosity, try an Orthodox church.
I think it'll have all of the answers that LDS.
Like Jewish?
No.
No, no.
Oh, yeah.
For Orthodox Christian, yeah.
It's like that'll have all of the answers that a lot of the what I would call heretical branches don't have.
Definitely, yeah.
I don't know.
Like, I don't know what I'm doing Jehovah's Witness.
I had a lot of severe like issues with religion because of the heresies that they had.
And I pushed against all religion, all of the things.
I also see you being a Jehovah's Witness.
You fit them all so well.
I can see you knocking on my door.
They would be mortal enemies.
But yeah, it's like I had a bunch of issues with religion authority.
I had all of the different predictable outcomes and all of that jazz.
When I found Catholicism and then that branched me to Orthodoxy, it answered all of the heretical questions that the Jehovah's Witnesses got wrong and it gave me that level of inner peace that a lot of religious people talk about.
And I think organized religion is the only way to go about religion, hence the term religion.
It's like you can't be esoteric in your approach to spirituality because that's when you start to depend on your own understanding and be led away by all of these different high energy, high spiritual feelings that'll then lead you down paths that you might not understand the consequences of.
When you're in an organized church, organized religion, there's an authority present.
They can guide you in ways that you might not be aware of and lead you to better behaviors.
See, my issue is that everybody claims to be the true church, like the one true church.
Moving on.
Okay.
So I want to try to reel in Carmen.
No offense, guys.
I'm not trying to be rude by cutting you off, but I mean, I we're getting into like totally off topic stuff that it's just do it.
Go for it.
Okay.
Carmen, you said, hold on, Lami.
See you here.
Your suggestion was, and I think this was to women or maybe everybody, stop being whores and hooking up with people or playing with people's feelings or trying to trap people with child support or whatever the case may be.
That's to everyone.
That's to everybody.
Okay.
All right.
You said media has driven us to be more and more polarized from the opposite sex gender, and we all have to remember that at the end of the day, we're all human and deserve to be treated as such.
Men aren't ATMs.
Women aren't just walking fleshlights.
Okay.
I concur with that.
Generally, you said you think that a big problem is a lot of people wanting the instant gratification, wanting the one-year anniversary, not the 364 days between that.
Commit to someone, grow with them, support each other, and love one another for who they are, and be willing to guide and be guided, and either side is always right.
Did you want to add to any of that?
And you also said hookup culture is the dumbest thing to exist and is the bane of all of our mental health and moral compasses.
Yeah, I doubled down on all that.
I clearly.
Okay, she agrees with what she said in the pre-show notes.
I mean, I don't really have too much to add right off the rip other than just remember that at the end of the day, we're all human, right?
It's so easy to get, like, have extreme opinions on either end of a spectrum, whether it's feminism, politics, or whatever.
Like, I just like think we should all be friends.
And, like, I think a big thing is wanting to understand another person, like, wanting to understand the other side rather than wanting to be polarized and wanting to be right.
I think that's the thing is that none of these ideas are new.
And this whole concept of the battle of the sexes has been really a modern concept because prior to the 20th century, we worked in unison.
We had our complementary roles and we respected that in society.
Now, with hookup culture and all of this jazz, it's reduced the interactions between men and women as being purely materialist and transactional.
And naturally speaking, we're both going to start resenting each other, hating each other for the quote-unquote elements or like, you know, vices that the opposite sex has.
But it's because our roles are no longer complementary.
They're being on purpose by the establishment, I suppose, put against each other because we're competing against each other now.
That's why it's like it's kind of nonsensical to say, like, oh, well, you know, a woman values this and a man values that, and it should be equal, or, oh, there's hypocrisy there.
And it's like, we're both inheritance.
Exactly.
Emphasize the differences and see why it's complementary.
Don't try to reduce it all down to the equal narrative or whatever.
Find the balances.
Find a way to balance, not find a way to fight.
Dope.
I think the last thing I have is for Ivory back there as she's coming.
She ran all the way over to the bottom.
Yeah, I think that just the last time.
Ivory got a new jump-up.
Put the boys away.
No, no, no, no.
Let me say if anybody's in the comments saying that I'm flirting with Jake, I'm absolutely not flirting with Jake.
I'm trying to get him to talk to my friend.
What?
We're at the opposite ends of the table.
There's not much.
No, apparently it's because you said, because Brian walked off because something was said and he just got frustrated.
And I said, I turned to her and I said, he hates us, just jokingly.
And you said, I love you.
Yeah, she's trying to really ship less and Jake there.
I don't know.
Yeah, I'm really trying to get.
Because she's over here in my ear talking about you, and I'm like, come on.
I'm not talking to anyone's ear.
Anything I say, I will say it to you.
Jake, is it an issue that she's currently involved in a semi-complicated sexual relationship with her ex-boyfriend who she still has feelings for her?
Who is you?
That's ended right now.
No comment.
I thought there was something.
No.
I didn't know about him.
No, me and my ex are.
In all fairness.
When's the last time you guys had sex?
Whenever we broke up, fucking months ago.
I thought you guys were still like...
That's not me.
You're talking about one of these other girls.
No, I'm pretty.
Nope, that's definitely her still seeing her ass.
You said you were in a situationship slash it's that's a different person.
So you're in a situation ship.
No, no, that's what honestly I don't know.
See, she's trying to squirm, like, wiggle out of this.
We're on no contact right now.
That's why I was saying, like, we're having some issues.
Okay.
When's the ray band?
When's the last time?
No, no.
You can be first runner up.
Don't worry.
Jesus.
Okay.
When is the last time that you've had sexual intercourse?
I don't know.
Yesterday?
No.
That's a yesterday fight.
It's actually been a couple weeks.
Okay.
All right.
Okay.
In all fairness, you walking off or the temperament that you've shown is just funny.
It's humorous.
It's light.
It's not to be taken too seriously.
Oh, no, yeah, no, it was funny.
I just.
Oh, I didn't even take it that way.
No, no, no, no.
I just wanted to be a little bit more.
I'm not totally oblivious to what's been happening.
I'm confused.
Okay, here's.
Les wants to have P and the V sexual intercourse with you after the show, Jace.
Oh, my God.
What?
It's not my style.
Oh, you prefer.
I'm looking for something a little bit more special in the long term.
You prefer attention.
Is it?
That's why I stick to anal sex.
There's no poop-hole loophole with me.
Whoa, okay.
All right, Jesus.
Okay.
No mastalls.
Okay.
Anal sex is gay based, including with women.
It is.
Yeah, yeah.
Disavow.
If you're sticking your dick in a poop-hole loophole.
Gaslighting.
This is gaslighting.
You are literally wanting your meaning for that.
That's the most arsler thing.
What if you're not doing this?
That's the most arslerd thing I've ever fucked up.
What if he just wants to feel submissive and breedable?
This is why you have an epidemic of men thinking that they're women.
Because men treat them the same now.
It's like, oh, if you have a poop-hole, you're no different than a woman.
And it's like, okay, but like, look at that.
That's a fucking stretch, bro.
That is the biggest fucking stretch.
Andrew Tate is over there trying to rationalize to men why it is not gay to have sex with a noggfa.
So if a lovers do have sex, if a woman women and you only treat them as well.
I think you have to take that with a pinch of salt, though.
I think he's being in an episode.
I mean, he visited Thailand and then afterwards, he's like, oh, you know, lady boys aren't that bad after all.
That is totally unrelated.
It's a huge shit.
You're saying it's gay to have to fuck a woman in the butt.
Yeah, it's a slippery slope to basically saying there's nothing.
Okay, if I can't get a girl, if I can't get a girl on Tuesday, maybe I should get a guy.
So if a woman eats a man's ass, does that make him gay?
That's disgusting.
That might be a little bit.
You're gay.
That is gay.
Anything that has to do with that area is a man.
I don't think it just gets raw.
It's not.
I don't think so.
Because that's where you get pleasure as like a god.
Oh, no.
Say the hell away.
No, no, no.
Brian's quiet over here.
I don't think so.
Y'all don't know.
Wait.
Let's go ahead and try to.
We're talking about a guy wanting to fuck a girl in the ass.
We're not talking about receptive anal sex.
If he ever asked me to fuck me in the ass, I would personally tell him, go find a man to do that with.
Haram!
Haram.
Wait, how is it, but Kayla cosigns?
Apparently, it's gay to want to have anal sex with a woman.
I'm confused.
So true.
Because you still want that.
Why?
Why?
Why do you want that hole in the seal?
You have a whole other one.
Yeah, exactly.
Okay, but like natural.
Like, what is so interesting about the action?
I don't want to paint too much of a vivid picture in people's mind.
There is a big, big difference between the bum hole of a woman and the bum hole of a man.
How do you know?
Is it because it is tighter?
Yes.
They're hairy, disgusting.
Brian is okay.
You don't want to say it.
It's just, I wouldn't wish it upon my worst enemy.
I wouldn't wish it upon my worst enemy.
Women have hair too, you know.
No, women are beautiful and women don't poo.
That's the difference.
Yeah, no, I mean, that's why twinks get their butts waxed.
That's why twinks get their butts bleached.
It's like they're trying to emulate.
Everyone knows that women are only allowed to poo in their head.
Wait, wait, wait.
I want to ask the chat.
I want to ask the chat.
Chat.
Is it gay to fuck a woman?
To fuck a woman in the ass?
Okay, but like.
One in the chat if it's gay, two in the chat if it's not.
What if conceivably?
How?
Why does that comment?
That comment says Brian took a finger.
Isn't this one of those objective actions?
It absolutely is.
Exactly.
Wait, wait, wait, no, no, no, no.
He's speaking at the moment.
Oh, I'm sorry.
Nemesis, come on.
What's one and what's two?
Nemesis, don't spam.
Yeah, it's one and two.
Two's no.
Two's is pretty divided.
It's mostly two.
Two is not gay.
Is this most of the men's way of emotionally coping with reality?
Most of the men are always trying to make their bad decisions, perhaps.
They're trying to protect their masculinity right now.
Wait, so hold up.
They're like, wait.
So hold on.
If men have mouths too, if I receive sex, if I receive oral sex from a woman, does that make gay?
No.
It's been argued in the past that that's seen as a homosexual act because you're denigrating the traditional procreative act between a man and a woman.
So it's like if you're only going to be using a woman or denigrating a woman for her orphan.
The object is a little faulty, but then it's like you're basically going to be a sexual degenerate.
But that's a very extreme argument.
No, exactly.
I don't necessarily know.
Hold on a second.
Okay, hold on, hold on, hold on.
But oral sex is very different, though, to vaginal sex.
And there's also the argument that under the union of a man and woman in marriage, sex is an instrument of pleasure and it can be an instrument of pleasure.
So it doesn't necessarily have to be for procreating.
In the Song of Solomon in the Bible, it references a poem where basically it says that the woman is enjoying the fruits of a man's loins, basically, where it's like, it references oral, basically.
So it's like, it's been argued where it's like, is it something that's like degenerate or is it not something that's degenerate?
Okay, hold on.
That being said, there is argument for it.
And if you're a sexual degenerate, there's not going to be an end to how far you'll spike.
Would you like to rip the fruits of my loins?
This is like.
So you're, I mean, it seems like you're making an argument about sodomy, right?
So here's the thing.
It's just like, so you're saying, okay, so first we need to define our terms.
So gay.
Gay means homosexual.
Happy.
Two men, two men.
If you're making the argument that a sexual act between a man and a woman is gay, like it just logically does not compute because there needs to be two men.
If you don't like two men.
In the way that modern logic works, yes, you have a point.
But gay never meant homosexual.
It meant being happy.
Homosexual is also a new term.
It's always been sodomy, to be a sodomite.
So in order to go up someone's butthole, yeah, there's no difference between that and a man and a woman.
It's not defined by that.
Okay, but so you're saying that the term gay that you're using means like you're using it in the joyful flamboyant.
That's always been the term of it.
That's what I'm saying.
I'm trying to break it down like that.
How bad?
It's not bad faith.
It's not bad faith at all.
It's actually quite like academic.
Here's why it's bad faith.
Because do you think when people are talking about the word gay, do you think that like for most people, they're referring to homosexuality?
When you think of straight sex, do you think of penetrating between men and women?
Answer the question.
Answer the question.
Yes.
What was the question?
I'm sorry.
Okay.
In like for the vast majority of people, in 20, perhaps, and I don't know when they made the switch with the word gay, in 2024, when people use the word gay, are you arguing that they're more likely to think that that's a fill-in for happy or flamboyant or whatever as compared to a descriptive term for homosexuality?
Yeah, the latter, as opposed to.
So why are you arguing from a definition that is not current and not modern?
Because we're arguing the act, and the act hasn't been defined.
The act of sodomy is not defined by between two gay men.
It's defined by going up someone's butt.
And going up someone's butt has always been seen as sodomy.
Okay, so between men.
We're getting into a really logical conversation right now.
So okay, if I'm willing to concede that technically it's sodomy, but it's not clear.
So is everything that is sodomy, is that always gay?
I mean, pretty much.
Everything that's sodomy makes you a sodomite.
It's different.
It doesn't.
Here, so if we were to Google the definition of sodomy and then gay were homosexuality, are you arguing that we would find that analytics?
I want to come back to what you said earlier.
You were about to define straight sex.
So, what is straight sex to you?
Vagina and penis?
Okay, so if a trans woman had a vagina surgically, that's a mutilated penis.
It's gay, still gay.
It's literally a mutilated penis.
That's not a vagina.
A vagina has a wound to it, uterus, eggs, and a single.
Okay, so here's the definition of sodomy.
Sexual intercourse involving anal or oral copulation.
So if this is the definition you're using, then is your position that a man receiving oral sex from a woman is that is a gay, that's homosexual behavior?
I mean, I have teased that before, and I'm like, it is a little gay.
I mean, it's not necessarily as gay as anal, but it is a little gay.
Well, you said that.
Okay, but in order for something, the logic doesn't follow.
In order for something to be gay or homosexual.
Homosexual means with the same sex.
But having anal sex is very, very close to just being like sexually.
But it's still a female.
I think it's a very simple thing.
You're using the term quite loosely.
You're saying it's gay.
You're saying it like a throwaway term.
Whereas you're honing in on the actual meaning of it.
It's not a homosexual thing to do because it's with a woman.
The angles are different.
It's like you want to specify it's not a man.
And I'm specifying it's not a man, but it could be a man later on if it's the same sex act.
But it's not a man.
A closeted gay man would do.
It's something that's like a pipeline, basically.
It's like it's in itself.
Like if a woman's like, oh, a guy's super into anal sex, other women are not.
I am not stingy with my barn mic going in that direction.
See that?
My barn door, I'm not stingy with it.
What the f?
Okay.
Yeah.
It's time for us to go.
Hold on.
Wait.
We're almost wrapped up.
Just hang tight for just a sec, guys.
They ran.
So it's not gay?
Hang tight for a sec.
No.
Shall we go around the panel?
Oh, we're going to move on, but okay, that was.
You don't like your take.
All right.
So I think the last thing with Ivory, can you scoot your mic to the edge of the table, please?
Ivory, one of the things, and I left this for the end here.
So we asked you, is there anything like you disagree with about the show or the host?
And you wrote.
I forgot what I said.
Oh, my God, why do you keep dragging on the negative energy?
It's annoying.
Crying emoji.
Like, just say, okay, I'll do better and move on.
Or respectfully, just say your opinion.
And no, it's just an opinion.
Stop getting so pressed.
Oh, a lot of that happened today.
Like, when we were going back and forth and back and forth and back and forth, I guess it's like, just say, okay.
Like, you have your opinion.
They have their opinion.
Why are you trying to prove each other's opinions to each other?
I mean, that's kind of like the point.
The point of debate.
That's kind of the point of like the debate is to.
No, I understand that.
I'm not just going to immediately just accept your worldview.
I'm going to try to get it.
But there's just like, to an extent, you know what I mean?
To an extent.
I thought this was like related to something else.
But okay, I mean, we're not going to go there.
Any final thoughts from anybody before we wrap up the show?
Can I ask a question?
Sure.
I just want to kind of ask people, like, starting with you and probably going around, like, how people feel when, like, how do I word this?
How people feel when they're like loved and in love.
Like, how do they feel about society when they're like in a happy relationship and stuff?
Like, does their worldview change on the value of the opposite gender?
Wait, I'm sorry, can you just restate?
I was following and then.
So basically, if you're in like a relationship where you feel loved, do you feel like you have a better outlook toward the opposite gender?
If I'm in a healthy, good relationship, do I have a better outlook towards the opposite gender?
Yeah, I mean, I like to think I have a healthy outlook whether I'm in a good relationship or not.
I mean, I try to keep it real.
I keep it real, man.
I keep it real.
I mean, I think women are fantastic.
I don't always agree with them on everything.
I sometimes don't always understand them.
But by and large, I think women are great.
I think women are wonderful.
I've got a mother.
I've got a sister.
And whether I'm in a relationship or not really doesn't impact that.
But I have seen the pattern with both men and women.
They can sometimes have negative outlooks on the opposite gender, but then they tend to calm down a fuck ton once they actually get into a relationship, you know?
Yeah.
Yeah, I think I have largely positive interactions with women.
We've got a very good relationship with my mom.
I don't have any sisters.
Yeah, I've had some positive relationships, some not so positive as well.
So the ones that weren't so positive, definitely after that, it probably takes its toll a little bit.
But when you are in a positive, healthy relationship, then yeah, most definitely.
Makes you appreciate the opposite sex.
I'd say a woman motivates a man to combat the world.
I'd say that a man gives a woman peace in her reality.
So if a woman is disturbing a man's peace, his reality is going to be, he's not going to be motivated to take on the world.
And if a man is a bad man, then he's going to make a woman basically feel like she's in hell.
Did you want everybody to answer this, or was it just for me and Jake?
I mean, if that's fine.
It depends on the family.
Wait, wait, wait.
Super quick, Leslie and I do really have to go before we get left behind.
Sorry.
No, you're okay.
We're fine.
They're not leaving us behind.
They're not.
Who's that?
Girl, I want to go.
Wait, who's that?
Who's that?
She's my sassy, and I'm not ready for her sass right now, so continue.
It's going to be how long is the drive into the mountains?
Like six hours.
That's going to be an awkward fucking question.
She gets out three hours in.
She what?
I get out in three hours in.
She's staying in Fresno right now.
Do you have to drive the full six hours?
Yes, I do.
I live in the mountains.
Are we seeing a bit of trouble in paradise here?
Yes.
We're both from the same place, but right now I live in Fresno.
We're literally born two days apart.
Who wins the fight?
Me.
No, she does not.
Yeah, I do.
I kind of think you'd take Jake on a date after the show, to be honest.
I should, huh?
Probably into the management.
She's actually already a working woman.
She has a nine-to-five.
She has what?
She has a nine-to-five and she works every day.
Yeah, I work six out of seven days a week.
You're a fucking legend.
Fucking legend.
That would be something.
Were we going around on that?
I don't feel interested.
So, honestly.
You don't feel what?
Like, dating a guy and being loved by a guy didn't really improve my opinion on guys.
If anything, I think it made it worse because the guy was like very like, I guess, weak.
What is this show, Lee?
Honestly, my opinion of men didn't improve at all until I repaired my relationship with my dad.
Awesome.
Yeah, like that's like one of the biggest things.
It didn't.
Yeah.
Good for you.
It's your first love.
Your dad.
Do you know?
Don't you think that's a good idea?
How about yourself?
guys sidebar conversations uh what was the do you feel when you're in a relationship that's like happy or healthy like you feel loved and in love Do you have a better outlook on the opposite gender?
I feel like yes and no because like being in a happy relationship and me feeling loved doesn't change the fact of how other men are gonna act.
Does that make sense?
So like not really, but like maybe it might give me a little more lightness towards the other gender.
You're saying that the endorphins don't necessarily skew the reality.
Yeah.
Okay.
Yourself?
Definitely doesn't change the fact about men in general, but it definitely shows me that there's some men out there, if that makes sense.
Yeah, definitely just gives you a new perspective.
Like there are some decent guys out there and they're not all scumbags.
But other than that, I don't really view the majority of the population any different.
Yeah.
Come on, Kayla.
What does that mean?
She's died.
So when you're in a happy, healthy, loving relationship, you view men differently in general.
I don't remember.
It's been like three years since I was single.
I think so.
Are you in a long-term relationship at the moment?
Yes.
Yeah, she's three years of the show.
I'm like 20 years.
It's been quiet the second half of the show.
Oh, I missed you.
I'm waiting my turn.
I have a really fantastic father figure, so I don't feel like there's any point in my life that I've disproportionately viewed men as villainous.
In fact, my experiences with women as I've gotten older have been a lot more insidious, I feel like, especially other adult women wanting to influence me into certain areas or aspects.
For instance, I reflected on this the other day, and the fact is, I thought about it, and out of all of the men and women who I have ever interacted with who have done OnlyFans or done sex work, it has always been, in my personal experience, the women who have encouraged me, who have pushed me out of my comfort zone, who have been inappropriate toward me, whereas the men either never even talk about it or they do the classic, hey, do you do that?
Oh, okay, I guess not.
It's just not like a.
So in your, you're an e-girl, right?
You do the streaming?
Yes, live streaming.
You must get a lot of temptation, a lot of people trying to tell you to do the OnlyFans, and there must be a lot of money on the table.
Absolutely.
Why not?
Because I don't believe in exploiting myself for a dollar amount for a certain amount of years or months that I feel like that will get me where I need to be.
I'm fortunate that I've been working since the age of 15.
I have been very diligent about building a life for myself.
And I've been able to build an entire career online myself without taking my clothes off.
And so I know for a fact that there are so many beautiful women who have so much talent and so much personality.
But because of the culture we live in, they encourage this quick money option when in reality, it's not quick money.
It's not a longevity endeavor.
It's not.
I would agree.
I think that depends on the person.
I don't know.
I've seen a lot of quick money from me.
I'm just curious.
I detect a bit of an accent from you, Arsen.
Where did you grow up?
South Central LA?
No, I grew up actually in Seattle.
But so, but I don't know.
Yeah, in Seattle.
I don't know if you know anything about that, but yeah.
There's different parts.
Yeah, definitely, I have an accent of exactly where I'm from.
Like, I've definitely been told I have an accent of exactly where I'm from.
Interesting.
Okay.
It doesn't sound like it.
Is Seattle the, is that considered the Pacific Northwest?
Yes.
Yes.
Yeah, there's different parts of Seattle, though.
Like, you don't sound like you're from the Pacific Northwest.
There's different parts.
Okay, there's different parts.
Okay.
Fair.
Once everyone's back in their seats, I'll wrap up the show.
I don't know if we, anyone back there who can rejoin?
Do we have less zombies in New Haven?
Here, let me read this.
We have some tweets.
We got some tweets I got to pull up, then we're going to wrap.
Yo, Brian, as a combat veteran, a fireman for 25 years, Cancer Survivor X3, please show these feminists and 3FOs on OF, the very end of saving private Ryan.
That's what a traditional woman looks like.
My grandfather landed third wave at Omaha Beach, liberated Buchenwald.
Unfortunately, just for copyright reasons, we wouldn't be able to show the end of the major motion picture, but actually showing them the beginning of saving private Ryan would probably be a bigger, much more productive, or I don't recall what the end of it was, but Rock Dog, really appreciate your patronage.
Thank you for the message.
I think this is your first time sending in Super Chat.
So thank you, man.
Appreciate it.
And okay, we had a couple tweets that we're going to go over.
Nick, we're not going to show the ones that are at the end, but just the ones that I initially showed you.
Who is it?
The tweets from?
Yeah, we'll just pull the tweets up.
One of you guys had some interesting tweets.
I thought we'd react to them.
It's Jules.
I love being an online slut.
Wait, actually, wait, can somebody give her a mic?
Can somebody swap seats with her?
It's over a year old.
Almost a year old.
Here, how about you two swap?
You two swap.
You two swap.
Here, hold on.
I'll let her read them.
I'll let her take a seat.
What's up?
Explain that, Dream.
Here, wait, pull up to the mic, pull up to the mic.
All right, go ahead, pull it up, Nick.
We'll have you read it.
Okay.
I love being an online slut.
All men should fear me.
I believe this is true.
This is factual.
Explain.
Why should all men fear you?
Dude, oh my God, why should all men fear me?
This is a good question.
You said it.
I know I did, but I don't remember what mindset I was in that time.
I'm like embarrassed.
I should go delete that.
She was talking about men the whole night.
So I don't know.
It was a whole other personality.
We were talking unless you're not.
See, like a lot of people come on the show, right?
And like, you guys have really strong opinions.
Don't be scared to share your viewpoints.
What if we get canceled, though?
I've already canceled it.
Small price to pay.
Small price to pay for internet things.
I think I must have just meant all men should fear me, as in, like, please stay away from me and stop hurting me.
Honestly.
Can I have you scoot into the table a little bit?
Did this get bumped?
I don't know if it got bumped.
Perfect.
Okay, there's more.
We got more?
Tweets?
Can you read it?
Never simp for a male again.
Like I said.
Yeah, I just simped for males really bad in my past, and I'm over it.
I've never seen it.
How did that look like?
What would like simping look like for you?
Basically doing a lot more for them that they're doing for me, and they're most likely treating me like shit, and I still continue to simp for them.
You know what I mean?
When the body cow question came up, you said that you didn't want a man to judge you, but I think you're lacking judgment when it comes to the men that you're engaging with.
And I think you need to exercise that judgment more so that way you can protect yourself from them while also having self-awareness about what kind of thing.
Don't stop simping, though.
We like simps.
I like simps.
I like a girl who simps.
You've got a very Sweet nature.
I can see the sweetness.
Be exactly how you are with the mini.
And I feel like guys just.
I don't know.
I'm so sweet, but guys fucking take advantage of me still.
But I'm the sweetest, and I just don't understand why I get treated the way I do by men.
Probably go for guys your own age, don't you?
Wait, why did you gesture at me?
Well, maybe I could see why from my online presence, though.
From these tweets you're pulling up.
Maybe that's why I tend to get treated like shit.
Do you have a good father figure?
No.
Okay, never mind.
Nor do I have a mom.
Find one and ask him to pick someone for you.
Oh, I would never have to do that.
That's such based advice.
Like, literally.
Such go.
Okay.
Next.
Dude!
Again, I swear.
Go ahead.
Wait, wait.
I swear to God, males are why I have to get so high on a daily basis.
Y'all trip me the fuck out.
I tweeted this while I was in a very bad relationship.
And yeah, dude, I honestly have to get so high on a daily basis just to deal with people in general.
Okay.
Like, y'all freak me out.
On weed, okay?
Don't be kind of a red flag, though.
Okay.
Next tweet.
Next tweet.
Is it going to be my tweets again?
I looked through your guys' Twitters and I.
I don't have a Twitter.
Read it.
The fact that I have to take so much shit from males on a daily basis makes me such an unhinged bitch.
Jules.
I don't know.
You've seen kind of nice on the show.
I mean, you do?
Are you hiding?
What do you mean?
I was not telling us about T, that she was according him.
She almost got fired from her job.
What?
Yeah.
Men make me unhinged.
They try to get reactions out of me and they do end up getting very good.
So would you like lull us in with this like sweetness lullaby and this soft-spoken lullaby?
And then when we get in there, you just become an unhinged bitch.
Wait.
Will these men make me an unhinged bitch?
Wait, what's your actual name?
It's not Croncosaurus.
What's your actual name?
I'm Jules.
My name is Jules.
Yeah.
All right, Jules.
Can you demonstrate?
Like, let's maybe do a roleplay here.
Pretend I'm like an asshole, dude.
Like, what's the, like, do you ever raise your voice?
Oh, yeah.
Like, I really seem like first impressions.
You seem like a sweet.
Oh, you degrade.
Yeah, when they get away with me, when they get it out of me.
Because, like, chat, doesn't she seem like, I mean, you know, pretty pleasant?
That's what I'm saying.
Soft-spoken, soothing voice.
If I could, for once, meet a guy that would transform it.
I need to see Super Saiyan.
I need to see Jules, Super Saiyan level 2.
I can pull up some text messages, dude.
It gets bad.
Okay, pull it.
No, Like, wait, did you have your phone?
Do you have your phone on?
Oh, yeah.
I just grabbed it.
I didn't have it on the whole time.
Oh, yeah, yeah, go ahead.
Go ahead.
Let's see some receipts.
I'm literally the same way.
And online, you can have a whole nother presence than in real life, you know?
Yeah, definitely.
Like, if men are not respectable, like, I don't respect them.
You know what I mean?
Like.
See, that's why you got to be able to do that.
They really say the same thing about women.
You got to be careful.
You know, you got to be careful.
Sometimes the crazy doesn't come out until weeks or months down the road.
Yeah.
You know?
Yeah, man.
All right, Jules.
Let me see.
All right.
Jules, let's so.
You want me to find it?
I want you to project all your fucking everything onto me.
You can project it.
We're going to.
Okay, I gotta go.
Project everything and then say that shit.
Like, just fucking.
You're a method actor.
Get in the fucking mode.
This message is so long.
Should I read the whole thing?
Goddamn, bro.
You're sending paragraphs.
Holy shit.
Did y'all see that shit?
That's just like a whole disabled.
My men didn't reply.
But I'm just watching him after, though.
I think they just sent it.
But say it like how you mean it.
Like fucking lean into that shit.
Fucking look at me here.
I'm gonna put on the hold on.
Yeah.
This is your ex-boyfriend right here.
Yeah.
I don't think that's her ex-boyfriend.
That's the dude.
I'm the dude.
I don't know if I can like read it very aggressively.
Like I'm honestly kind of nervous right now being put on the spot, but I'll read it.
It's like a dick thing like your ex said to you.
And I'll say it right now to you.
He called me on the phone, no caller ID.
Yeah.
Just to be like, you're such a fucking slut.
How do you like being a slut, Jules?
Get back on OnlyFans.
I bet you'll love that shit, you dumb bitch.
Okay, that's what he said to me.
I literally stopped doing OnlyFans for him, and then that's what he says to me after.
Yeah, and then so this is the text I sent him.
God, you did him so well.
Now do you.
Okay.
You're the most two-faced lying-ass manipulative bitch I've ever dealt with in my life.
And I know you know exactly what I'm talking about.
You freak ass weirdo.
Keeping me on a fucking leash the last month, tell me, telling me we'd get back together and you're working on yourself for me lies.
You're out here partying with anyone and every single.
You're out here partying with everyone every single night, telling our co-workers I'm crazy in our business.
Like, you already know how terrible you make me feel.
Can you leave shit at home and not take it to our jobs where we both work and have to be getting everyone involved in it, you fucking weirdo?
You're literally so lame and girls.
Holy shit.
Literally, MasterCon artist fuckboy wants to use me when I'm lit the only baddie you'll ever get in your fucking life.
You ugly small dick ass little boy.
Do not speak or even look in my direction again at work, fucking loser.
I have to work with this guy.
She did remind me.
Stop talking.
That reminds me of this is for Rachel.
This is for Rachel.
You fixed it.
And then she starts going off.
That was impressive.
That's where I got him.
Oh, I felt like that was a good thing.
It still sounded like pretty nice, though.
Just the way you say it.
It's still like, you know, like her tonality She's got a pleasant voice.
Was the BPD girl that bad?
Where it's like that's compared.
In comparison, that's not actually that bad compared to what you've seen.
Well, okay, if you look at the actual content of what she's saying, it's pretty fucking, that's pretty raw.
But like the way she was saying it, like, if I was like dating a girl and she was just like, that could have put me to sleep listening to that.
That was like very soothing.
That was soothing.
You small dick bitch.
Ass male.
I'll even say when I. That's so soothing, right?
That's so soothing.
When I have yelled at him in real life, I am this quiet.
Really?
While I'm yelling.
Like, I'm not even that scary in this.
I don't know if that's like worse or better.
Like, is it kind of scary that she's like so calm and shit?
I've heard women sound like pterodactyls.
Like, deadass.
Yep.
Okay.
We've got more tweets.
What's the more tweets?
More tweets.
Oh, my goodness.
You got this.
Damn, males make me so fucking angry just looking at their stupid, dumb, idiotic faces.
I want to fucking smash that shit into a curb for real.
I've just been played, guys.
I've been played my whole life by my dad.
By every guy after my dad, you know?
So this is where this is all coming from.
I'm all your dad.
I'm turning off this.
All your inner turmoil.
But I'm working on it, though.
I'm like in a way stronger spot than I've ever been.
You guys are.
Like, you guys are starting to show signs of piercing beyond that sort of pain.
And seeing what you need to change, basically.
I've literally seen girls on here like, yeah, like hopeless.
But like a lot of girls on here, like they actually are like cognizant.
Jake will give you a ride back.
It's all good.
Really, Jake?
Wait, what do you mean?
Are we going to get some bonding timing?
I think you guys should go to the mountains together.
Wait, is that?
He was going to leave right now, so we got to.
He's not fucking leaving.
If he leaves me, he's in deep shit.
Bye.
Okay, yeah, I'll go.
But yo, sit down, he has kids to tend to.
He doesn't have kids.
I know him.
He doesn't have kids.
He's lying.
Is it your guy friend?
Fam I don't family friends.
I don't even know.
So she's leaving.
She's spending the night.
They're not going to leave without you?
No.
They're just trying to guilt you or whatever.
Yes, and I don't care.
Is there more.
Did you read the tweet?
Yeah, I read it.
Is there another tweet?
We got another tweet, Nick.
Is there more tweets?
More tweets.
Did we just do the damn mail to make me so fucking angry?
Yeah.
We've done a lot of this.
We've got every tweet.
Oh, my God.
What is this?
I knew you were.
astrology bro it sucks because wait wait Bro, it sucks because I can say all day long I hate men and no more relationships, but at the end of the day, I'm a Libra, so I can't fight these natural urges of wanting to be in love so bad.
And that's like, I'm a natural lover girl.
I'm a Libra.
Heard anything about Libras?
I'm a Libra.
Like, this shit sucks.
Like, I don't want to be a lover girl anymore, dude.
It hurts.
I think it's only us Libras that want love girls.
Any Tauruses or anything?
Tauruses.
Tauruses are crazy.
Oh, cold, man.
Scorpio.
That means anything.
Any other tweets?
More tweets?
One more tweet.
We got one more tweet.
Oh, wait.
What?
Oh, maybe it's scrolled down.
It was a resplite tweet?
No, I basically a celibate hoe, IRL, because none of these males have proven worthy to me as of lately.
Okay.
Yeah.
And I was celibate until I was with my that last ex.
Sounds like a good name for like a singer.
Celibate hoe.
Right?
Double entendre.
Give me my rap name.
My rap for name.
Okay.
Cool.
So why is it that you say that?
You have the two Libra men on top of you because you're also a Libra attracting that energy.
No astrology mention.
But it's fine.
Okay.
Any other final thoughts here before we wrap anybody?
Final thought from anybody else?
Kayla.
If you were a cat or dog, which one would you be?
Army.
She's torn.
She's torn.
Not really.
Cats.
Tough one.
Torn.
She's literally a dog, guys.
Yeah, I don't know what, like, like, I don't know what my floppy ears can, like, communicate for.
The bone collar chain.
It's like, oh, bro.
But your name, Miel.
I'd be a golden retriever.
I have a golden retriever.
I'd be a dope.
You'd be a boxer.
Everyone's choosing.
Cocker Spaniel.
Cats just get no play.
No one likes cats.
Here, we need to hear from Zombri, okay?
Zombri.
Zombri.
You've been a little quiet.
I know, I'm just quiet.
What's in your head, Zombre?
Wait, question for the friends of Zombri here.
So, you know, are you introverted?
Do you consider yourself introverted?
Yeah.
You guys are friends with her, right?
You're all friends with Zombri.
Does her personality blossom, like, when you're with her privately?
Yes, 100%.
You gotta blossom it.
You gotta blow her up.
She just has to be comfortable.
Yeah, she just has to be comfortable with the people she's around.
Okay.
All right.
Another sweetheart, Zombri.
Have you ever slashed a dude's tires?
No.
Is she a psycho at all, guys?
Yeah, I'm like, no, spray painted.
My whole boyfriend's closet.
Like, his rigs, everything expensive I can find.
Not five, you were red, too.
Do you think like your boyfriend or like ex-boyfriend, do you think they also gloat to all of their friends about how they've like fucked you guys up on the machine?
Oh, yeah, that's literally the reason I stopped talking to him.
When I was 13.
That's literally like disgusting.
Like, why are you talking about best friend about things we did when I was 13?
Like, you're really gross.
And I'm like, I'm not talking to you no more.
Unfortunately, like attracts like guys definitely.
She does that.
Yes.
I literally see it in the group chats.
Don't lie.
Let's not cap right now.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I don't know what kind of circles you move in, but.
Listen, y'all be menaces in them group chats.
Y'all be going in.
I'm not in any group chat.
I'm actually not in any cases.
I'm not in group chats.
Men in general.
Then again, I feel like I'm kind of like a lone wolf, very individualistic person.
So I guess that's why they call it Cincinnati.
Definitely.
Boom.
Yeah, how old are you?
34.
Yeah.
That's why he's not in any group chats.
Okay, all right.
Invitation.
Well, like I'm handed out to you.
Good times, good times.
Okay, I guess the last thing I wanted to ask, what was up with the fucking, what was the blood thing about?
What do you mean?
You had menstrual blood apparently in a syringe?
Yeah.
Yeah, why?
That was menstrual.
Close enough.
But I just had us perform a little manifestation spell just to do well on this show and in live.
And we just list some paper on fire, put it all in the center, like a voice, wrote down what we want to do well on.
Just a cute little symbolic thing.
What made me laugh was the fact that you took out that one flamethrower.
They had to take that away from you.
You then show that one photo, they take that away from you.
You then bring out the syringe.
They take that away from you.
I'm like still trying to bring this live rat.
Genuinely strapped today.
Yeah.
Yeah, I keep that thing on me.
You feel me?
You keep that thing on me, bomb.
No, but like, why?
Yo, ABCHECK, thank you for the gifted 20 memberships.
Appreciate it.
Why?
Like, why did you.
I was going to put it on a necklace just as a charm, like a good luck charm, but instead I put it in my ass crack.
And you said it was blood from like your, all these girls here?
Not all.
Not all.
Like you.
Yeah.
No, it's always consensual.
It's always if you want to participate.
And obviously not everyone is going to be into that.
So it's whoever wanted to participate.
She drew me.
Okay.
So why did you put it in a syringe?
It's because that's how she drew it.
How's supposed to get the blood?
Yeah.
Draw it.
How else would you draw blood?
Oh, you drew it.
I thought it was menstrual blood.
It can be menstrual blood, but it also cannot be.
You drew it out from multiple women.
Not with.
No.
No.
Okay.
It was a different needle.
Yeah.
But I thought there were, so there's more than one blood in.
Well, I don't have both of them on me.
That would be like...
No, it's like the indifference.
That would be crazy.
It's only sense to bring one syringe.
But why?
I mean, that's like a biohazard.
Why would you, it wasn't your blood, was it?
I tried to do it on myself, but it was like a really bad idea.
But why would you bring that to a podcast?
Well, it did have the needle on it.
That's like those are just containers.
She can wear vial gloves on.
Just her essentials.
Just blood.
You know, it's like, yeah.
And you did blood play with a boyfriend or something?
Was that you?
Yeah, that was fun.
You know, that's what got Freddie Mercury.
That's what got Freddy Mercury.
Those sorts of things.
True.
What do you mean, God?
Easy, Freddie Mercury.
I don't do that stuff all the time.
It's literally just like, it's not like I'm out here every day, just like bloodletting.
This is just like once in a while.
Yeah, exactly.
Just when it comes up.
Yeah.
But like why, what would compel you to bring like a biohazard into like a podcast studio?
Well, it was it's locked up.
How's it a biohazard is contained?
What do you mean?
So if you had depressed, I don't know if depressed is the right thing.
No, no, no.
I sealed it with resin.
Oh, you sealed it?
Yes.
Did you?
Yes.
Yes, if you were trying to squeeze it, nothing would come up.
That is a biohazard.
Be fair though, if it was to break or something you know I mean.
So your intention with that wasn't to like come on and spray somebody with with it, what?
No, I had this crazy idea, which I realized was absolutely insane but, like I was like, maybe we not say it, maybe we not say it up here?
Keep in mind the law.
Yeah, why don't you say it?
I was like what if we like performed a ritual, like on the podcast, like just start like playing music, bring out the candles and everything, like get some holly water?
Then he comes in.
Yeah, I review that.
I review that.
I just reviewed.
I was kidding about the last sentence, but yeah, it's upside down, it's upside down.
There we go god, it's even worse.
It's upside down.
Wait, do that again.
I think we missed it all right.
Well um, you gotta understand, like so the reason I disappeared back there for a little bit.
Like I mean, we were pretty close to like just kicking you guys all off because, like I mean, people come on with like malicious intention and uh, I mean it's plausible that somebody could try to come on and do something like really fucking gnarly, you know so no, it was literally the raccoon girl that made me want to come on.
We were.
I was thinking of different ways, I should drop, but I was like, no hold on.
Can the former Jehovah Witness and purple Dalmatian make a podcast together?
Would be very intellectual and would watch 100 me too.
But like literally, the thought process there is like she has a syringe full of blood, like from our point of view is like is she gonna try to like splash it on me or Jake, or like some shit like that heck no no, that was never a thought in my mind.
I think from an initial gauge of your character, it wouldn't be, but but like it's a that is a ginormous red flag bringing that into a podcast.
I wouldn't recommend doing it again.
Yeah, literally I went off camera and are like we may have to like, but there's there's also like two incidences of things that are like against the terms of service for the sites I that you showed.
Yeah, it's, it's one song malicious intent and it's very clear for I guess maybe me, but it's like these are sort of signs and habits of people that could have malicious intent and that's kind of why you need to have a level of self-awareness where you don't want to have people think that you are someone who could hurt someone else?
Because I don't think you.
I think you're more a victim that gets hurt rather than someone who initially hurts.
Yeah heck no, I don't feel here hurting no one.
I mind my business and I just, like you know, stay with, like my clique, you know.
So I don't know, I don't, I don't go out here causing being a menace to society most of the time, but not intentionally the, the knife experience and the vial of blood.
Do you give indications for everyone else being like something bad might happen?
Basically yeah, room for room for growth, perhaps room for growth.
Could you pass me the New Testament again?
Actually, she might.
Yeah See, and that's a part of maturing, is just like becoming self-aware.
Especially because you don't know.
I thought I have a lot of self-awareness.
Oh, no, you absolutely have zero self-awareness.
Like, if I had a ride, I'm aware of the fact that, like, what I'm, I don't know.
But, like, in my personal opinion, like, just like, I don't know.
I think things that are probably not okay are okay.
I have probably not the best decision-making skills.
I'm aware of the fact that it's like self-awareness.
You know, probably not the best, but like, I still feel inclined to do things.
I don't know how to describe it.
That's a lack of self-awareness.
It's a pattern of behavior that you're trying to deprogramming yourself.
I have not.
I'm told I have behavioral problems.
Yeah.
Compulsion.
The first step is to be aware of it, and then the second step is to deprogram those bad behaviors that you've made into a pattern.
I don't know.
I think.
Do you have anything else on it?
No.
It's already the end.
I mean, we, anyways, wait, how long, much longer are you going to wait for them, don't know, Brian?
Oh, I don't.
We're all caught up on all the chats and stuff, I'm pretty sure.
But, I mean, we've, guys, we've implemented.
Anyways, whatever.
I'm not going to linger.
I'm not going to linger on that.
Anyways, we're going to wrap up the show.
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Drop us a follow, drops a prime sub.
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Thank you guys.
Are you down to do like 20 seconds of ASMR real quick since that's your thing?
What kind of ASMR do you like?
Do you even do Plague Doctor?
The 1500s Plague Doctor ASMR.
It's PlayStation.
Bubonic Plague Doctor ASMR.
It's fatal.
The sores are all over your body.
Just make sure that you're reconciled with God.
Otherwise, you might be tormented in hell where flamethrowers and piles of blood are present or whatever.
So yeah.
That was beautiful.
Thank you.
People relaxed by that stuff.
Yeah, I guess.
I think it's also to get people into a mood.
My sort of content of ASMR is more so like, I don't know, parody paragraphs.
I'm going to check it out.
I'll get the details off you and check it out.
Okay, those of you on Twitch, those of you who are on Twitch, I'm going to raid StaySafe TV.
He's currently playing World of Warcraft Classic Season of Discovery.
Those of you who are watching on Twitch, we will raid StaySafe TV.
Tell him whatever says hi.
And I'll send the raid over here.
I'll send that raid in just a sec.
Are we forgetting anything, Nick?
Was there anything else that we had pulled up, or were we...
No.
Oh.
Hmm.
There was.
Eh, nah.
We're going to wrap.
Wait, actually, fuck it.
Wait, okay, I'm so curious.
I don't know if we go there.
I just heard a honk outside.
I think they.
Do we go there?
Yeah, go there.
Kayla, do we go there?
Kayla, do we go there?
We go anywhere.
Okay, I was so curious because I do a little review of your guys' social media profiles and whatnot.
No, it's nothing crazy.
But I saw a picture of you when you were younger.
And then I was just curious.
Yeah, we'll pull.
Just a comparison.
Put us on the other side.
Put us on the other side.
I was like, Yeah, this is when I got kicked out and I was homeless.
Okay.
And then next photo.
Next photo.
Oh, God.
And then, you know.
Do you have a face tattoo?
Yeah, I got that when I was 17.
Oh, when you're 17.
Oh, okay.
Well, wait, so I'm just like, it's such a difference in, like, you've changed your style a lot.
So I'm curious, like, what happened?
That was because I had no money.
Like, before?
First picture, that was like, I had that shirt, that was a pair of sweats, and like, maybe like three other outfits sleeping in my car.
Okay.
That's why.
Okay.
Have you consulted like many public services, like social workers, and especially with the situation with your mother?
My aunt helps her.
It's in New York.
Yeah.
And I don't live in New York.
Does your mom live in Seattle?
No, my mom.
Sorry.
My mom lives in New York.
And you live in Seattle?
Yeah.
Okay.
I wonder.
Yo, anybody in New York down to like house Kayla's mom?
Or John?
My own aunt kicked her out.
Oh, you recognized her.
Contacts in social services would be the best way to go, though, because they're pretty robust social services.
Yeah, New York.
Does she have a social worker?
Does she have a social worker?
Is this assigned to her case?
I'll speak to you out with the show about it.
Okay.
Yeah, we can.
I was just curious, you know, this is a pretty big difference, I guess.
But anyways, do you think it's that big of a difference?
Well, I mean, maybe you just didn't dress.
I don't know.
More flamboyant now, yeah.
Like, I feel like in some people's lives, there's just like a moment.
Like, you'll look at like, there's almost these memes sometimes where it's like before college, after college, like someone goes to college and they become like super woke SJW.
I'm not saying that's the case for you, but they have like a total transformation in their physical appearance where they'll like just totally, like they'll start doing body mod and like get totally blasted in tattoos.
I think it says, I think that picture was like right before I got kicked out.
Yeah.
But like I had like, I wasn't allowed to dye my hair or do anything.
And then I finally could.
Okay.
I did exactly what I wanted.
Well, there you have it, folks.
I'm pretty, I think we've hit over pretty much as much as we can here.
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Hold on.
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I'm going to raid.
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One sec.
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I don't know why I fucking give me 10 seconds.
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Holy shit.
God damn it.
Fuck.
Hold on, guys.
Fuck.
Oh, my God.
Does penis size matter while I'm trying to get this figured out, guys?
Yes.
What the fuck?
Yes, but not your own love.
And it doesn't matter.
Nah, we won't do that.
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