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Brian REJECTS Her LIVE?! 200+ Body Count?! Valentine's Day SCAM?! | Dating Talk #135

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	Without further ado, we're going to have the guests introduce themselves.
	So please tell us your name, age, location.
	So where are you from and occupation?
	Go ahead.
	Hello.
	My name is Lillian Fillet.
	I'm 22.
	I'm from Derbyshire, England.
	And I am an online slag, otherwise known as Porn Star or OnlyFans Ho, whatever you want to call it.
	That's me.
	Thank you.
	Thank you, Flan Life, for the 10 gifted memberships.
	What is a slag?
	What is that?
	Slag, ho, ho, same thing.
	So you self-identify as those.
	Yes.
	What do they call them here?
	304s?
	There's a bunch of names.
	There's a lot of names that can be used, but okay.
	All right.
	She's self-aware.
	All right.
	What about you?
	My name is Andrea.
	I am 25 years old.
	I'm from Arizona and I do OnlyFans.
	All right.
	Welcome.
	My name is Hazel.
	I'm 30 years old.
	I do OnlyFans.
	Where are you from?
	And I am from Northern California, and I live in LA.
	All right, welcome.
	My name is Jade.
	I'm 23 years old.
	I'm from Las Vegas, Nevada, and I work in finance and solar sales.
	All right, welcome.
	I'm Natalie.
	I'm 22 years old.
	I live between Los Angeles and Washington, D.C.
	I am the co-host of Steve Bannon's four room podcast and TV show, an investigative reporter, and I have a lifestyle and clothing brand.
	Rock and roll, welcome.
	My name is Atlantis, and I am 19 years old, and I am from California Riverside, and I'm currently a nursing student.
	Okay, great.
	I'm Becca.
	I'm 29 years old.
	I'm from Arizona.
	I am the co-founder of a nonprofit called Team Vulnerable, and I spend most of my time as a stay-at-home mom.
	My name is Emmanuel.
	I'm 31.
	Wow, I sound old at this table right now.
	31, I live in Arizona, and I am the other co-founder of Team Vulnerable, where we help individuals overcome porn use.
	And can you tell us a bit more about the organization?
	What's the genesis of the start of it?
	Yeah, so long story short, I was addicted to porn for 15 years and had everything the world could tell you that would make you happy.
	Money, drugs, alcohol.
	I was married, and three years into our marriage, it was just starting to destroy our marriage.
	And I asked Becca for help in overcoming it.
	And luckily, she showed me love, grace, and mercy and was just there for me.
	And I was able to overcome it.
	And then we felt the Lord calling us to help others overcome it.
	So we started off with a married course for couples to go through together.
	Then we had single people reaching out to us.
	We won a course, so we made one for people who are single, and even one for kids and for parents to go through.
	And it's been amazing.
	And you said you were addicted personally, is that correct?
	Is this something that this manifested during your marriage with Becca or something that was 15 years I was watching, so well before we were married, and started with low self-esteem, bullied in school, not doing well in school, all that stuff.
	And yeah.
	Got it.
	Well, guys, you can we have their link for their course in the description of the YouTube video if you guys want to go ahead and check it out.
	We're going to go around and we'll have some opportunity to talk about that more a little later on, but we're going to go around the table once more.
	So what is everybody's current relationship status?
	So are you single, talking stage, situation ship, friends with benefits, relationship, married, polycule sex cult?
	People are in all kinds of arrangements.
	If you're single, how long have you been single?
	And what's the longest relationship you've ever been in?
	Go ahead.
	I am single and ready to fuck.
	And I have been single for about, I don't even know, what date is it?
	Fuck.
	It's 2024.
	I think I last had a relationship maybe just like two years ago, three years ago.
	How long was the relationship?
	Like six months.
	But the one I had before that was two years.
	Sorry, if you wanted to know what it was.
	Okay, yes.
	So your most recent one was six months, your longest was two years?
	Yes.
	Six months, two years.
	Okay.
	And so were you monogamous during those two relationships?
	Yes.
	Yes.
	Believe it or not, you know, I am.
	All right.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	We'll come back to that.
	I'm not a cheater.
	And remind me, how long have you been single?
	Two years.
	Oh, two years.
	Got it.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	I'm single.
	I've been single for about three years, and then the relationship that I was just last in was about three years.
	Got it.
	And that was your longest relationship?
	Yes.
	Got it.
	What about you?
	I am in several relationships.
	My longest relationship was six years.
	so yeah so you're hold on we'll get Whatever said.
	I've donated $100.
	I chagged the slag lily bloody hell.
	All right.
	There you have it.
	Whatever says.
	Oh, God.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Welcome to the Whatever Podcast.
	My link's down below.
	That's going to be an interesting situation.
	You're currently in multiple relationships?
	Yes.
	So how many relationships are you currently involved in?
	Well, all my fans are my boyfriends.
	And then I have people that help me do content, so I'm in relationships with them, too.
	All your fans are, so you're selling, like, the girlfriend experience?
	Oh, yes.
	I connect with my fans.
	How many fans do you have?
	I have over 5k fans.
	I have 10 boyfriends.
	Yeah, how do you manage 5,000 boys?
	Let's change the title of the video to she has 5,000 boyfriends.
	Well, I have a good following, so I talk to the people that follow me on Instagram, as well as the people that follow me on my Spicy site.
	So obviously the ones on my SPICY site get the girlfriend experience.
	So yeah, I feel like I have a lot of boyfriends.
	They take my time.
	I send them nudes.
	Yeah, but you're siphoning money from them.
	You're not in actual romantic relationships with them.
	I'm not siphoning money.
	They're willingly.
	They're willingly having their money siphoned.
	Well, yeah, they're my boyfriends.
	No, you're not in romantic relationships with them.
	I am.
	They send me good morning messages.
	Good night.
	You get 5,000 good morning messages?
	No, well, some of them on Instagram, but we're talking about my private site.
	So yeah, so the ones that are more invested than others, obviously, and they're on there longer than others.
	Have you met any of them in person?
	Oh, no.
	They're just virtual boyfriends.
	Virtual boys.
	Irony class people that I'm into it as boyfriends.
	AKA, what do we call that?
	Simps basically?
	Yeah, pretty much.
	Simps.
	So do you have any actually in-person relationships?
	i have someone that helps me with content um that's always there so are you so i have relationships No, I'm not single.
	I'm taken.
	By who?
	You don't need to name his name, but what is your relationship status?
	By the world.
	By my fans.
	I'm in a relationship with my fans.
	No, can you actually give me a good faith answer to the question?
	I'm in a relationship.
	With your fans or with like a specific individual?
	Are you polyamorous?
	Do you have multiple in-person boyfriends?
	what do we have virtual boyfriends and i have let's let's remove your only fans and i'm using very big air quotes here So if you don't count my virtual boyfriends, I'm the person that helps me make content, then we can count him, perhaps.
	I'm single.
	But you do online.
	So you have one person who helps you make content, so I'm assuming like you're having sexual intercourse with this person.
	Correct.
	Are you having sexual intercourse with any other person?
	I collab with other females content.
	Yeah, female talent.
	What about any male talent?
	Okay, so do you have a professional relationship with this man who does content with you, but do you have a romantic relationship with him?
	I care for him, yes.
	I've known him since high school.
	Do you have a romantic relationship with him?
	Yeah, I guess you could say that.
	I'm just going to say you have a boyfriend here because, I mean.
	Yeah, we're not official.
	We don't have the title, but I know I can count on him.
	Well, you sleep with other men?
	No.
	For work?
	No.
	Does he sleep with other women?
	No.
	Well, not that I know of.
	Not that I know of.
	Which point you never know.
	to say she's got a point if you were really getting paid for a gf you are not in a relationship you are a hooker a harlot and a drain upon society May God have mercy on your soul.
	Yeah, the girlfriend experience.
	What's a GF?
	I think that stands for the girlfriend experience.
	So, like, does it cost money to get the girlfriend experience?
	Not necessarily.
	I give the people that are subscribed to my VIP site the girlfriend experience.
	And, like, I message them.
	What is the girlfriend experience?
	I don't know what that is.
	It's like if you have a girlfriend that you talk to long distance, you could video chat, you could.
	But they have to pay for it.
	That sounds like prostitution, not for you.
	They pay for it once they subscribe to your page.
	So once they subscribe to my page, they're able to talk to me and I'll give them the girlfriend experience.
	But is it really the girlfriend experience?
	sounds more like the it doesn't sound like a very good prostitute experience to some degree right I mean well if that's what you want to look at it like then that could be I'm not fucking them Virtually, you are, right?
	Virtually, I'm fucking them virtually.
	Fucking them virtually.
	Yeah.
	So if you want to get fucked virtually, make them bio.
	Okay, all right.
	So did you put me down as single?
	I have you as a prostitute.
	I have you down as in a relationship because it sounds like the guy you make content with.
	You're in a relationship sort of with him.
	Okay.
	Kind of.
	Anyways, it's not super important, but okay, go ahead.
	I guess I'm talking to somebody less.
	Yeah.
	Guess you're talking to somebody.
	I guess, yeah.
	I guess we are talking.
	We are talking.
	I'm going to say that more sternly.
	We are talking.
	Yes.
	What does that mean to be talking?
	I don't know.
	I just find the difference between single, talking, dating, in a relationship so stupid.
	I think you're either single or in a relationship, at least me personally.
	So you're not in either.
	Not in either.
	It's not defined yet.
	So you're in the stupid situation.
	No, it's not stupid.
	It's not talking stage.
	Talking stage, what I consider to be a little bit more.
	How long have you been talking?
	It's honestly like January, so beginning of January.
	And then before that, I was in a relationship for two years, and then I was single for a month.
	And then I was in another relationship for two years.
	Two years is your longest relationship.
	So would you say you're currently in this situationship?
	See, I find, I think that's so, I just think it's so dumb to be like, oh, I'm talking to someone, oh, I'm dating someone.
	I'm the kind of person where if I go on a date with you, I'm committed fully on the first date.
	That's at least just how I am.
	And so just because it's not defined yet, I just want to say I'm single.
	You're courting.
	Yeah, I'm single.
	Simple as well.
	Is he doing the same thing as you?
	Probably not.
	However, I'm aware that not everyone nowadays is like that, and that's normal.
	But he has your undivided attention.
	Yes.
	Romantic attention.
	Yes.
	So you say, but have you had a conversation with him?
	Because you've been dating, like, talking for a month, right?
	about a month i mean have you had a conversation with him about is it long distance No, not at all.
	He knows my views.
	He knows my values, and he understands it.
	And I guess he's just deciding whether or not he wants to commit.
	I'm okay to waiting, because if I like you, I understand that.
	And so I'm just doing that.
	Are you guys hooked up?
	No.
	Okay.
	Do you think he's entertaining other women?
	Probably.
	However, I don't really mind whether he is or not because in his head we aren't committed and that's okay.
	Okay.
	In my head, it's different, though, and he knows that.
	Not necessarily, like, oh, in my head, we're in a relationship.
	However, he does know that in my head, he is the only man who has my undivided romantic attention.
	How long have you been talking?
	Just since January.
	One minute.
	Okay, sorry.
	Okay.
	Wait, so you've broached the I want to be in a relationship with you conversation?
	Not necessarily like, I want to be in a relationship with you.
	However, I've made my values very clear to him, and he understands, okay, if you're going to continue talking to me, this is what I'm going to want.
	If you don't want it, stop wasting my time and go away.
	How long are you willing to wait?
	You know what?
	At least with me specifically, it's not necessarily you have to sit me down and be like, oh my gosh, here's the date I'm going to be, please be my girlfriend, blah, blah, blah, blah.
	It's just necessary.
	It just happens.
	At least for me, that's what I've noticed.
	You get with someone, you like them, and then if you start loving them, love is an action.
	Once you start showing that love as an action, then it's basically, okay, we're together at this point.
	How did you meet him?
	At work.
	Work?
	What do you do for work again?
	I'm in finance and solar.
	Okay, so you're like out in the streets selling door-to-door some solar system.
	Not necessarily.
	So with my finance job, I work in loans.
	So things like car loans and things like that.
	And then I also work as a little bit of an investment broker on the side.
	So that's my finance side.
	Got it.
	And then with solar, my company calls me up and is like, hey, Jade, can you come up here and close this deal?
	And then I go out there and close the deal.
	Super simple, super easy.
	Got it.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	I've been single for probably a little north of a year, and my longest relationship was probably around a year.
	One year.
	Got it.
	Okay.
	So you've been single for one year.
	Any dates in that time period?
	Any prospects?
	Or is it looking kind of bleak?
	I would say bleak.
	I feel like that's a negative connotation.
	No, I have a very demanding job, even though I hate feminism and I don't think women should be working.
	Nonetheless, that is my current reality.
	So I've been really been focused on that.
	And I also think it's kind of hard to even really determine what it means when you're dating someone's situationship stages.
	No offense, but when you consider yourself to have 5,000 boyfriends and there's platforms like OnlyFans, I think that really degrades how you term relationships.
	So I've kind of had struggles with that.
	I quite like the term.
	Terry McCoy donated $100.
	How can I find the girl in the orange on Levans?
	It's Dr. Drea.
	If I could say, I think I sounds like you are a fellow maybe anxious attachment person in terms of like when I go on a date with someone, I kind of immediately like to attach or at least give them my full undivided attention.
	And I think with that comes the ability for women to set boundaries with guys, and I don't mean that.
	Hold on.
	Mike Davis donated.
	Oh, hey, look who it is.
	Haven't been here in a while.
	That's why you hate in Brian.
	You know how many sex deprived bums are shooting the place up?
	She's saving lives with the girlfriend experience.
	Sign that.
	Exactly.
	Of course.
	You know what?
	Let me walk it back.
	I was wrong.
	She is saving lives out here.
	Just saving lives, you know.
	So good to see you in the chat, Mike Davis.
	It's been a while.
	Welcome, man.
	Good to see you.
	Go ahead with your.
	No, I was just saying that I think setting boundaries like you are in terms of, I personally think you should wait till marriage.
	I think that it's fine to tell a guy that you want to do that.
	And when I think platforms like OnlyFans really commodify women's bodies and normalize the idea that if men just pay you like $5 a month, they can get whatever they want out of you.
	You can laugh, but the average OnlyFans creator makes about $150 a month.
	That's not even the minimum wage in Kenya.
	But I think that you set a very dangerous precedent that makes it very hard for women to stand up for themselves in normal relationships and tell guys that they can't just get whatever they want out of you and that you can set boundaries and standards.
	Would you guys care to respond to her?
	Well, personally, I don't mind.
	Yeah, I don't mind selling myself for $5 a month, honestly.
	Ain't nobody making our bread $5 a month.
	Nobody mindset's paying for porn anyway, right?
	No, I don't.
	So we're not harming you in any way.
	You could find your fish.
	Yeah, I would happily never marry someone who pays money for porn, but I just think it's sad that you guys reduce your value and self-worth to $5 a month.
	And that's your perspective.
	Well, and my perspective is that I think you guys are worth so much more.
	I think God endowed.
	And you said we're not.
	Well, I think when you're entirely, I think when you debase yourself to make your entire livelihood dependent on basically the lowest common denominator, which is the fact that you guys have boobs, a vagina, and an ass, I think that you're selling yourselves extremely short.
	I have a quick question for you guys.
	Well, hold on.
	Okay.
	Please allow them an opportunity to respond to that.
	I'm sorry.
	I get like my mind is so fascinating.
	No, we can come back to you, but allow them to respond.
	I personally really enjoy my lifestyle.
	I love what OnlyFans and porn gives me.
	Like, it gives me freedom.
	And I really enjoy being sexualized.
	Like, I get off to it.
	And I don't think that's affecting you.
	So I don't think it's any of your business personally.
	Well, it's not affecting me personally, but I think you guys are sort of one of the many, I would say, arrows in the quiver that are being used to destroy Western civilization and traditional values and family values.
	And I think, as I'm sure you can attest to, you guys are creating the content that is lowering the threshold significantly to make it much easier for men to want to drop out of relationships as well.
	But who's buying it?
	Who's your fault?
	Yeah, no, it's not.
	It's all your fault, but you guys are supplying it.
	And frankly, I think when you guys, again, I'm not attacking you guys as individual people attacking the business.
	Well, I mean, I think you guys can also take ownership for the kind of content that you're creating.
	But I think you guys are contributing to it, right?
	Are you not?
	You're sitting there laughing, saying that you like being objectified and commodified.
	So you're obviously embracing it and you're going down the path of trying to normalize the behavior.
	This is just my personal.
	It is normalized.
	And, you know, ain't nobody here making $150 a month.
	We enjoy the average OnlyFans creator.
	Well, we're not average, as you can see.
	Yeah, we got thousands of followers on Instagram.
	We got like only $100.
	Well, and to be honest, I think that this is one of the most dangerous narratives that OnlyFans spends.
	And frankly, I hope you guys, like the OnlyFans PR team, is paying you a bunch of money because I think the worst part of OnlyFans is that it sells the lie to girls that if you just start posting pictures on the internet of whatever one of your body parts, that you will become like a millionaire overnight.
	And you're basically having these girls tank their reputations for what is, on average, again, you can't argue with the facts, $150 a month.
	You can become a millionaire overnight, though.
	I literally have the platform of OnlyFans was not for everybody, obviously.
	It's not for everybody.
	Who already had followings to then leverage it to show you?
	It started out with non-sexual content.
	Then it became into more sexual content and what you guys do.
	But it wasn't really designed for you.
	And to be honest, I even take issue with the term OnlyFans because I don't really think that these people are your fans.
	I don't think you guys are celebrities.
	I think it really is devaluing the term fans.
	Just because you take pictures of yourself doing weird things with guys doesn't really make you a celebrity.
	I don't think myself as a celebrity at all.
	You're calling these people your fans.
	That's what they're talking about.
	I feel like you're threatened and you're scared we're taking your hands.
	Pay for the content.
	I'm certainly not threatening you.
	You get to make sure that the actors are over 18, the actors in the videos are paid fairly.
	If you look at OnlyFans, if you look at OnlyFans terms, they are very vanilla.
	If you go on porn, you can find some dirty ass shit on there.
	OnlyFans?
	Some dirty ass shit.
	Yeah, they are very strict.
	You can do stuff in public.
	You can do a lot of certain things.
	So I honestly think that it is a very safe site for people to go on there and show that.
	And, you know, you do, you see that people are over 18.
	They're encouraged to, you know, everybody has to sign a release form.
	Everybody is consenting.
	If you go on porn, I have seen stuff where these girls are looking very uncomfortable.
	OnlyFans, you know, it's very safe.
	And like for people like us, it is possible to make a million dollars overnight because you have to have that X factor.
	It's not for everybody.
	That's what I'm going to say.
	Manny, go ahead.
	Yeah.
	So one of the, to your point, Natalie, the $150 a month, you know, the 1% rule.
	So you got black China making $90 million a year and then $50 million, $40 million, $30 million, and then everyone else is 00000, which brings that average amount down there.
	So I think one of the big challenges is when you get onto an OnlyFans and then you put up some posts and you're like, I'm going to be rich.
	And then it doesn't happen.
	And then it's like, oh, shoot.
	Now someone has these photos.
	I think that's one of the biggest challenges with it.
	But one of the things that was really interesting as Bec and I were researching coming on, we're like, why does somebody watch OnlyFans versus porn?
	Because I was never watching OnlyFans.
	And what's the big difference?
	Because it's free, right?
	So what are they looking for?
	The boyfriend experience, love?
	Because they want to get to know you.
	So here's what was really crazy is we start going through the facts and the numbers and we find 90% of the people are married who are subbing.
	And we're going, whoa, And so one of the big challenges, I think, of what we're trying to stand up for is just the idea of someone is coming here and they're looking for the virtual girlfriend experience.
	But I think about a child walking down and seeing, you know.
	I sorry.
	No, no, no, you're fine.
	Oh, okay.
	I apologize.
	So that kid coming down and seeing, you know, their dad on there and the divorce and how they could break up a family.
	And it's just, it's very, very sad.
	So one of the things I like to just bring up is just, you know, you say they love you, which I think you would say they love you, your fans?
	I don't think they love me.
	I wouldn't.
	No, no, no.
	What would you say?
	Well, I'm not like, I'm not a celebrity.
	They love watching it.
	Yeah.
	I think that's it.
	I would put back, you know, with that whole concept of if they are married men, you know, with a family and they're running from an issue with their spouse and they're saying, I don't want to stand up to this.
	I don't want to have that hard conversation.
	Just like the hardest conversation I ever had in my life was, I'm addicted to porn.
	I can't stop this on my own.
	I need help.
	You know, when you say they love you, if you say that, if you don't say that, but do you want to show love to them, not in a sexual way, but caring about them enough to say, you know what?
	I don't want your family to be broken.
	I care about them, but don't get me wrong, I'm not in a relationship with them.
	It's not my duty to, you know, make sure everyone doesn't have a girlfriend and everyone doesn't have a wife and they've not got families because like it's I'm not trying to be like pass the blame, but it's not my problem.
	Like, I'm not the one in a family.
	And if I can just really quick on that one, you know, one of the things was I was just some guy jerking off in his bathroom for 15 years at 2 a.m.
	You know, and I was like, I never can make a difference.
	I get a lot of things.
	I was going, I can't make a difference.
	I can't do anything.
	I'm just some guy.
	And what was crazy about it is when we stood up and we just said, you know what, let's create this course as a team.
	And we were helping couples do it.
	We said, if we can help 10 to 20 couples with their course that we made, that'd be great.
	And in the first year, 450 people got the course in over 25 different countries.
	I was literally on the phone with someone in Denmark the other day.
	It's like four days in the future over there.
	But just that idea of we're just nobodies from Arizona with no following.
	And just if this could save one marriage, if it could prevent one SA from happening, if it could help one self-deletion, trying to use all your words, would it be worth it to stand up and just say, you know what, that would be worth it.
	Just one of those things.
	I mean, it's not really like I like she said too, it's not really my issue.
	You know, like most people who go on there have fake names and everything.
	They don't want to go on there and like talk about their anonymous people.
	We don't know who they are.
	And it's not my problem because at the end of the day, I mean, hold on one second.
	Grid One Motorsports donated $100.
	Yeah, thank you, man.
	Appreciate it.
	Brian won't be on long tonight.
	Fly a day tomorrow.
	Just a reminder that the owner pays himself $1.3 mil a day.
	These of girls work for the world's biggest pimp.
	Feminism for the L. Feminism for the L. Let's go.
	Thank you, Grid One.
	Appreciate it.
	Enjoy your fly day tomorrow.
	But yeah, honestly, I think if a guy is buying OnlyFans, it's probably because the girl isn't satisfying her man, so he has to go out and get that somewhere else.
	So, you know, like it's both of their problems.
	It's not my issue.
	All I cared about is getting paid.
	I actually don't even think it has anything to do with most.
	If a man's in a relationship, well, I mean, I could be wrong on this.
	I don't think he's it's probably men who don't have any dating prospects at all who are probably the primary customers of I give great relationship advice on that.
	Can we add to that for a second?
	No, I wouldn't say that.
	Can we add to that for a second, though?
	Because one of the big things when I was addicted to porn was I just felt I would tell myself, you know what?
	Becca just can't handle me because I just need it all.
	I'm just such a manly man with so much cluster.
	I'm so much crazy.
	And what happened was, once I stopped watching porn, it was like, oh, I don't need, I'm not addicted to sex.
	I'm addicted to porn.
	And when we have sex once or twice a week or three times, if it's Valentine's weekend or whatever, but you know, when we have these things, it's just incredible because it's no longer about power or domination or anything that's getting off.
	It's about love, connection, intimacy.
	It's just a beautiful thing seeing it.
	And I would say Becca's the last person who it's the fault because one of the things that's interesting, like I said, this was 15 years in the making.
	She was only with me for six of those years.
	And I wanted to quit.
	I said, once I get married, I'm done with this.
	Three months before the wedding, I'm done.
	Then I said, two months, one week, one day, and it's the night of a wedding and I can't have sex.
	And I'm going, I'm so sorry.
	I love you.
	I love you.
	But I have this problem.
	And I'm struggling.
	And I didn't say even in that night I want to quit.
	I just said, I have this problem.
	And it wasn't until I came to her three years later and I just said, I can't beat this thing on my own.
	Will you be there for me?
	That I was able to finally overcome this thing and really overdo it.
	Here, we can come back to the OnlyFans.
	No, it's fine.
	We can come back to the OnlyFans conversation.
	And I know you guys probably want to continue going at it, but we will come back.
	Let's get through the relationship status stuff first.
	Go ahead.
	I'm single.
	Okay.
	I think the last time I've been in a relationship was probably December 2022.
	20.
	Year 2022.
	I'm sorry for size.
	So you've been single for two years about?
	Okay.
	Longest relationship?
	That relationship was like a year and a half.
	Got it.
	Okay.
	Becca, what about you?
	Married for almost seven years.
	All right.
	I assume the answer is the same for you, Manny.
	Same, same seven years.
	Feels like it's been like three minutes, though.
	Underwater.
	No, I'm just joking.
	That was a joke.
	That was a joke.
	There is a Mitch Hedberg joke that goes something along the lines of, shit, I'm trying to remember what it was.
	There's a girl.
	Oh my God.
	I'll have to think about that.
	Wait, all these fucking references.
	I can't remember any of them.
	It's hypnotized.
	Amen.
	Something, wait, Mitch Hedberg, something about like, how does it go?
	I know a girl who.
	Sorry, I'm sorry I'm butchering you.
	Wait, let me Google it while this comes up.
	Donated $100.
	Also, the Discord spies tell me that the big GFE Latina has her typers hard at work even as she sits in front of you laughing.
	Oh.
	GFE indeed.
	Sounds like a scammer to me.
	Thank you, Grid One Motorsports.
	The Discord spies are saying that you're selling the girlfriend experience, but you have typers or chatters as their signature.
	I actually don't know.
	Okay.
	How can you talk to her?
	You've got some fast fingers.
	Yeah, 5,000 people.
	Well, I'm not talking to everyone every day.
	Like, I spread my love.
	A little more.
	Specific, how do you spread your love?
	Well, I'll make time for a few one day, the next day I'll make time for the others.
	And then I have like a scandal.
	A lot of them don't want.
	Sorry, a lot of them want chat.
	Yeah, a lot of them don't want to chat, but a lot of them do.
	I'm just curious, would you guys, like, say, looking downrange, want these guys to be in healthy relationships where they no longer need to come to you?
	Or do you want to always have them perpetually in a state where they either are single or they have these broken relationships where they always need to come to you guys?
	I don't believe that people that watch porn necessarily have an unhealthy relationship.
	I know a lot of couples that watch porn together.
	I'm talking specifically though on the OnlyFans, like the girlfriend experience angle of it.
	A lot of the people that I do give the girlfriend experience to really don't have a chance finding a real girlfriend in the real world.
	Do you think that them watching OnlyFans is possible?
	Yeah, I make sure that I do.
	Practice.
	Yeah, I give them a picture of the picture.
	But you just practice for something that they'll never really need game time.
	I'm happy for mine to get into relationships because you know what?
	Like, there's obviously always going to be single men.
	So do you guys think that what you do helps them get into relationships or keeps them?
	You know what?
	I don't involve myself in their personal life like that much.
	I think it's probably pretty fair to say that what you guys are doing is probably, I would say it's making them stray away towards getting into relationships.
	So if you really want them to get into relationships, then why wouldn't you get to that?
	I'm not saying I want them to get into relationships.
	I'm not saying I'm not.
	I'm just saying.
	No, I'm just saying.
	So they keep paying you.
	Whoa, whoa, whoa.
	I'm just saying, girl, you do your thing.
	If he wants to get in relationship, he can't get into that.
	I want them all to be single.
	I always have to do shows with other conservative media people, and I always just have to talk about the Chinese Communist Party and all that stuff.
	Oh, you can talk about that.
	This is so fun because I get to meet on people who I disagree with.
	So, well, Natalie, do you think, though, I mean, my view on this is, do you think that men ought to take accountability on this?
	I don't really blame so much so the women for making this stuff available.
	I mean, look, there's perhaps some degree of culpability, but I think men absolutely have agency and they should take it upon themselves to not.
	And there's always going to be porn.
	100%.
	And I think it's a testament to how masculinity really has been watered down nowadays.
	But I'm just saying, I think where I take not even personal offense to it, but where I put more of the onus on the women for it is when, and I mean this with all due respect, but when you guys sort of have this flippant laughing attitude where you guys are joking about like, oh, ha ha ha, I want to be commodified.
	I want to be objectified.
	I want to just make money.
	Oh, it's all about making money.
	I think that just sort of really works to normalize the behavior, which A, takes the stigma off the guys getting involved in it.
	But more importantly, I think it sends the very, very, very wrong and very dangerous, not just, I mean, for physical reasons, but I think for reputational reasons, message to other young girls that, oh, it's so easy.
	I just turn on OnlyFans and I make a million dollars.
	And it's not, that's not true.
	No, I agree.
	I agree that people really need to think about it because obviously it affects every aspect of their life.
	I totally agree with that.
	But I mean, personally, I do it because I enjoy its freedom.
	Like, OnlyFans is not for everybody.
	People are always going to watch porn.
	Like, if I stopped doing OnlyFans on porn, like, they'd only fucking, you know, wank off to another girl.
	So, like.
	And if I may add, you were talking about making money.
	And let's not lie.
	You can make money doing OnlyFans.
	Somebody's making money.
	Otherwise, nobody would be doing it, right?
	So making money, getting the attention.
	Literally a bigger philosophical question of just like, what is the purpose of this life for you?
	Would you say?
	Yeah, and honestly, one of my kinks is like really getting off to like guys getting off to me.
	Like I like being sexualized.
	I don't know.
	Sounds weird, but it's just one of my kinks.
	What can I say?
	And so I love my job.
	I get good money from it.
	I get all the freedom.
	But at the end of the day, when you're 80 and you're passing away, what are you going to say?
	I got my ho-01k.
	I invest my money well and stuff.
	What type of relationship do you want to have?
	So I haven't really figured this out yet, but I'd be happy to date someone in the porn industry as well with me and stuff like that.
	Like I don't mind not having a non-monogamous relationship.
	Is that correct?
	No, it would be better.
	Yeah.
	But honestly, like, I'm not looking for anything for another like 10 years.
	Like, I'm very, very happy in myself.
	I really enjoy my own company.
	So for now.
	You just said that your biggest kink is watching other people get off to you and that you basically crave the validation of other people.
	So how can you say that you're just content, like living by yourself?
	It sounds like you do want someone to get off.
	I don't know.
	I don't want a fucking boyfriend.
	But I get off to guys wanking off to me.
	Yeah, so that's two different things.
	Can I get some more water?
	Is that okay?
	My loud.
	Sorry.
	I'm a thirsty girl.
	I squeeze a lot, so I need to hydrate.
	Yeah, honestly, though, I like the attention on OnlyFans.
	And anyone who's ever known me since like, I don't know, seventh grade, I've just had this flirty, like, sex appeal to me.
	I love, you know, I've always like fucking twerked at the dances and shit.
	So I don't know.
	Like, I've always just kind of been like super horny and stuff.
	And like, if you like to have sex and record it, then I mean, why not monetize?
	Make money off of it.
	And it's like, not anyone can make money off of it.
	Like, you have to be that kind of girl, you know, put yourself out there.
	You got to know how to market things correctly.
	And that's what a lot of people don't do.
	They don't know how to market it and stuff.
	So that's another thing.
	But honestly, I like the attention and I like making money off of it.
	And even if I do know somebody who bought my OnlyFans and they have a wife, I'm not going to say anything about it because that's not my position.
	He's probably buying 10 other girls OnlyFans too.
	So it's like, you know, it's like, what can I do?
	It's his issue, not mine.
	And like she said, I'm not invested in their personal lives.
	I'm not sure if that was a rhetorical question as to why one would not participate on the OnlyFans platform, but assuming it wasn't just hypothetically say you have children, not sure if that's something that you want.
	But how do you think that plays out with you having kids or maybe getting married?
	Do you think that that affects them?
	Do you think that's a potential reason not to do OnlyFans?
	No, I don't really plan on having kids either.
	So I don't think that'd be a thing.
	But even like Kim Kardashian with her video with Ray J and stuff, you know, like she's one of the richest women out here.
	And like her kids, you know, North probably knows about it.
	It really doesn't matter.
	You know, like people have a past.
	She spent millions and millions and millions of dollars to get that video off the internet for a reason.
	So she says.
	No, she has.
	She said, she leaked it herself.
	Here, let's, we'll come back to the OF discussion a little bit later on in the show.
	I want to get into some dating topics first, though.
	Well, actually, before that, really quick, just going around the table, this is a question we've been starting to ask.
	Are your parents still together, starting with you?
	Go ahead.
	Yes, my parents are happily married 20 years, actually.
	Okay.
	Yep, they are still together.
	My parents are divorced.
	40 years this year?
	Together.
	No, my dad's dead.
	Sorry to hear that?
	Yes, minor together.
	They were together.
	My father just passed two years ago.
	Sorry to hear that.
	Okay.
	So we have Valentine's Day tomorrow.
	This is our first topic of the show.
	Valentine's Day is tomorrow, a holiday that is commercialized.
	It encourages you to buy greeting cards, chocolate flowers, expensive dinners, expensive gifts.
	So a couple of you.
	Wait, let's see.
	There's wait.
	You're kind of in a relationship.
	You're in a situationship.
	Single.
	But all of you have been in a relationship at one point.
	Who here has been in a relationship during Valentine's Day?
	Everybody?
	Okay.
	Did you get your boyfriend for the ladies here?
	Did you get your boyfriend anything on Valentine's Day?
	Yes.
	Yes, I did.
	A bottle of honey and a blunt.
	And this pussy.
	I did not.
	No.
	We were going on a trip in a new suitcase.
	Okay.
	No.
	You didn't get him anything?
	No.
	Did he get you anything?
	No.
	Oh.
	Okay, then.
	I got him anal.
	That's why I stick to anal sex.
	Oh, boy.
	All right.
	These girls are loose with it tonight.
	Okay.
	Would you guys be upset if your boyfriend, I know some of you are single, but let's assume like you get into a relationship, didn't get you anything on Valentine's Day?
	I'd be hurt.
	You'd be hurt.
	Yes.
	You're supposed to give a woman flowers and chocolate.
	That's it.
	I mean, it's not that hard.
	But what are you supposed to give the man?
	You know, a bottle and a blunt.
	An anal.
	Give him whatever he wants, too.
	I would buy him flowers too.
	And you know what's crazy?
	I actually heard that guys don't get flowers until their funeral.
	What the fuck?
	Yep, it's true.
	So I get him flowers too.
	No, I like a nice, well-written card and maybe some quality time.
	So like a dinner.
	As long as you fuck me good, I'll be fine.
	All right.
	Well, I did read something that men will spend nearly double what women plan to spend.
	And there's varying sources on this: $190 versus $96 on average.
	So honestly, they need to be spoiling you throughout the whole year, not just on Valentine's Day.
	I like to spoil my guy, though.
	The men need to be spoiling the women.
	Yeah, and vice versa.
	Vice versa.
	If you're in a relationship and you love the person, you should spoil each other.
	Are you currently being spoiled by yourself?
	Not your 5,000.
	Yes, I am.
	He's spoiling you.
	Yes.
	You guys have anything planned for Valentine's?
	Not yet, no.
	I'm probably going to be really tired if I'm not.
	He spoils you.
	How does he spoil you?
	He gives me flowers.
	We'll go to dinner.
	We'll go on trips.
	And does he always pay for that?
	Yes.
	And how do you spoil him?
	I give him head.
	That's how it should be.
	That's exactly how it should get.
	Do you pay?
	Wait, you agree?
	You agree with.
	Of course I agree.
	I think a man should be a provider.
	And the woman just provides sexual.
	No, not necessarily sex.
	I feel like it depends on the woman, but a man should be a provider.
	A woman should bring morals.
	Women should bring kindness, genuine being a person, being a person.
	Not necessarily anal or head, but I feel like it, the way that a woman thinks, the way her mindset is, I think the way that she talks, she dresses, she acts, I think that is enough for a man to be in a provider role.
	And then on top of that, as well, if you're not willing to pay a trip for me, how are you going to pay for me to raise your kids at home?
	I don't get it.
	Word.
	Amen.
	Period.
	How many, let me ask you a question though on that.
	How many guys have you dated?
	Have I dated?
	Yeah.
	How many boyfriends have you had?
	How many guys have you dated?
	Just the two.
	Yeah.
	Only two?
	Yeah.
	So the current guy and the dude.
	Well, not two, but like I said before, I'm still single.
	Two and then a potential.
	A potential.
	I mean, we've gone on potential.
	I've gone on dates with three different dudes, yes.
	So you've only had three first dates?
	Yeah.
	Wow.
	Hold on.
	Wow.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Where are you?
	You're really young, aren't you?
	I'm 23.
	Yeah.
	Because I mean, the pushback I was going to give there is you're saying, well, men should do XYZ because at some future point you will bear him children.
	But I think the reality is when it comes to dating nowadays, like, if you, and perhaps you're an outlier in this regard, you know, most women who've had like a string of relationships didn't end up procreating with any of those men.
	And it's plausible that those men provided for that woman, woman, excuse me, but did not receive the benefit that you are suggesting is a prerequisite and requirement for a man's provision.
	So you're saying, well, men should provide because I will bear him children one day.
	But you've dated men who you did not procreate with.
	100%.
	The man did not reap the supposed benefits of the provisioning with which he provided.
	Well, you also have to remember, I'm 23 years old, so the man that I met at 18, there's a very rare chance that I'm going to end up procreating with him.
	Versus the last one, yeah, was actually planning on, we were planning on getting married, we were talking about it, even had our marriage license filled out.
	But I mean, I don't think you're totally wrong.
	Like, yes, there is something to be said for, well, if, like, this is going to be the mother of your children, and, you know, perhaps if she's going to be a stay-at-home wife, whatever, certainly there could be an expectation of providing.
	But it occurs to me that in most modern, for most modern relationships, for most people, they have strings of relationships before they ever get married or have kids.
	So it makes me question whether men ought to be providing.
	If your argument is men should provide because one day I'll give them kids.
	But how many people are in relationships that don't ever result in children?
	I mean, of course there's many.
	However, that's not my goal.
	If I go on a date with somebody, as I said earlier, if I go on a date with someone, automatically you're going to be the only person I'm talking to.
	That's just how I work.
	Emotionally, I'm not.
	You're dating intentionally, I get it.
	Intentionally.
	So Valentine's Day, what were we talking about here?
	We were talking about Valentine's Day.
	I think we pretty much got through everyone on that, right?
	Anybody, would you be upset?
	Anybody else could be upset?
	I personally hate flowers.
	I think they're stupid.
	They die.
	I don't like them.
	Yeah, I don't really like chocolate.
	But I think it's like your Valentine's Day is going to look different based on, like, you need to know your partner.
	What do they want?
	You know, some people want quality time.
	Some people want flowers.
	Some people want chocolate.
	So if you're just like this guy who's out there like, oh, I got to get chocolate and flowers to check off the box in this big old teddy bear.
	Like, lame.
	Why would I want a freaking teddy bear?
	I did have someone give that to me when I was in high school, and I was like, I'm throwing this away.
	So I think know the person.
	It should be something specific to what they want and it shouldn't be this requirement.
	I think just spending money on each other, being more superficial can be, you know, pretty prevalent in today's society.
	And I think having quality time, having, you know, I think it would be a lot more romantic or sexy to have a vulnerable conversation filled with, hey, what are you looking for in this life?
	What are your goals?
	I think that's a lot sexier of a thing to do on Valentine's Day than to get somebody to just, you know, aside.
	What have you given me as some presents?
	I don't even know.
	I don't even know what to do.
	What you give me.
	Handwritten letters.
	Oh, yes.
	Yes, handwritten letters.
	I think, but that's our love language, you know?
	So I think it really depends on what that person wants.
	And if you don't know what that person wants, I would say you're not in a very close relationship.
	You need to have those conversations to get to know that person.
	Probably Choppy True donated $100.60.
	Thank you for the extra $69.
	This my viewers are my boyfriends is only using this podcast as a bad faith advertisement campaign.
	We are here to watch a podcast, not see ads.
	You'll OIQ hag.
	Lie unreal, this slow-brained lady in probably choppy.
	T-R-W.
	Thank you, man.
	Appreciate it.
	Wait, what are they saying?
	We let her stand.
	What's that?
	We left it, baby.
	What are they saying?
	Yeah, what do they mean?
	I think what it's trying to say is it may feel or be coming off as a bit more of an advertisement.
	It's not a real conversation.
	This is what I'm here for.
	I'm here to, I guess, and it absolutely can be an advertisement, but it also can be a real conversation where we're diving a little bit deeper and find out what's going on.
	It's both.
	Best of both work.
	But why do you have OsonyFans Girls on?
	It's to like get the clicks and get them titles of abstract.
	It's controversial.
	It's very controversial.
	Truth be told, I mean, I'll answer this.
	If recruitment for this show was more simplified, and I mean, Madison can attest to this.
	Talent recruitment's rather difficult.
	If it was up to me, I would not invite, no offense to you guys, I would not invite you to be afraid of the people.
	No, I just wouldn't invite women who do OnlyFans or porn on the show.
	I'd much rather invite quote-unquote normal women.
	They can be left-leaning, they can be feminist, they can be progressive.
	So we're not normal.
	Well, there's a difference insofar as you're engaged in sex work.
	So what I'm trying to say is, I would have no issue if we were capable of more easily procuring guests to totally phase out women who do sex work.
	But because the just, and look, it's a criticism that the show has received, that I've received.
	The reality is, and for those watching who might be curious, why do you bring the, you know, why don't you just bring on normal women?
	Because sex works.
	What is the best ideas?
	No, we would actually, actually, some of our most viral moments were with women who were not involved in sex work.
	In any case, the reality is, what does a woman who has a professional career, who's like a nurse or a nuts?
	No, listen, we do get some of those women, but typically we mostly get content creators and women who are involved doing OnlyFans wanting to be on the show.
	And again, if it was easy for us to get like liberal or progress.
	Okay, this is a very nuanced topic.
	For one, we've had a multitude of big-name conservative guests on the show, and we live in California.
	That immediately turns off like the vast majority of people who are left-leaning or liberal who aren't involved in content creation coming on the show.
	They see that most, no offence to people who are liberal, most people who are liberal are not prepared to have their views debated or challenged.
	So they're not willing...
	Is liberal the one where they're like...
	Which one's liberal?
	Liberal, like Democrats.
	It's Democrats.
	So people who are left-leaning, liberal, typically are not really willing to engage in conversations with people who disagree with them.
	They're not really open to debate because they tend to operate.
	Not everybody, but oftentimes they will sort of have a pretty strong animosity towards people who are more conservative or even moderate.
	Whereas I think, and perhaps you're conservative, I think conservatives seem much more willing to engage in conversation with people who are liberal.
	Conservatives seem to view people who are liberal as you just see it as like an ideological difference, whereas liberals will view conservatives as like evil.
	Like they'll pass like a very strong moral judgment.
	Like you're evil, whereas conservatives, it's like, eh, just we disagree, you know, ideally.
	So you consider yourself.
	Well, hold on, let me finish my thing.
	So because we live in California, which in Santa Barbara, it's an incredibly left-leaning, liberal area, it's very difficult for us to get guests on.
	And we frequently, on top of that, we have a lot of people who flake last minute who cancel.
	We had, I have to overbook.
	So I'll book 20 people to come be on a show.
	Half of them flake.
	And so most of the time that's dedicated outside of the podcast is actually dedicated to guest procurement, talent recruitment.
	It's incredibly difficult.
	No, I can imagine the behind the scenes.
	But if we just, we're happy to bring on feminists, liberals, who have normal jobs.
	I would actually prefer that.
	No offense to you guys.
	If I could phase it out, I absolutely would.
	Well, we make our own hours, so we're most available.
	I guess also probably a lot of people say we're able to make it.
	We don't have to do it.
	And also, this podcast.
	This podcast does have a reputation for being a little, I don't know if confrontational is the right word, but I'm not just going to sit here and like, I challenge people.
	This isn't going to be like, let me just agree with everything you say and we're just going to sing kumbaya.
	No, I'm going to challenge people.
	I'm going to have debates.
	I'm going to disagree with people.
	And I think a lot of people are not prepared to have those conversations.
	And then really it just comes down to like, what is the incentive for like a 23-year-old, 29-year-old liberal, progressive feminist woman who's got a normal job to come on the show?
	There's really no incentive.
	They don't give a fuck.
	They don't care about Instagram followers.
	So I would actually make the argument.
	Even if we had like a perfectly non-political, strictly dating-related, like super tame dating show that never ventured into culture war stuff, never ventured into political conversations, was totally like never devolved into like heated exchanges or debates.
	I still think it would be very difficult to procure like quote-unquote normal people to come talk about even PG-related dating subjects because people just don't want to be out there on the internet.
	So anyways, that was a bit of a ramble there.
	But I was going to point out how, you know, the liberals don't want to talk, not to make it ultra political, but just, you know, this is going on YouTube and that's in Northern California.
	And I have a list of words I was given that's like 25 long before the show started of what I can and can't say and being afraid of free speech, you know, and so I say to all of you, thank you for coming.
	And this is really cool to be able to be here and get to talk, be open, have these conversations.
	Awesome.
	Yeah, I agree.
	But I mean, just to answer, I address the initial thing, like, if we had like, okay, if I had a flow of like people who could commit to being on the show and I had like a bucket of like 10 OF girls and 10 like liberal feminists leading leaning women who didn't do sex work, I would always pull from the non-sex workers.
	Yeah.
	But unfortunately, the circumstances are that this is a somewhat controversial show.
	And OnlyFans.
	Yeah, yeah.
	And before this, I mean, you did ask us to like post on your social media.
	So, obviously, people who work on social media usually have a few more followers than people who don't.
	Oh, I mean, so that also is true.
	We don't really factor in people's followings at all.
	At all.
	I have like 100.
	She's got 100 followers.
	Like, we'll bring on.
	Like, if you have, as long as you're ready to come have a good conversation, and if you, I actually really want to bring on, if there's anybody watching who disagrees with me, and this is going to get into our next thing.
	I'm very open to bringing on people who disagree with me.
	But yeah, you have.
	I have like you don't do OF, you have a couple hundred followers, maybe.
	So someone's follower account does not, you know, as far as the girls we're bringing on, is really kind of irrelevant.
	So it's an added bonus if they have a big following and maybe they can push a couple people to our live shows.
	But I don't really care all that much.
	I feel like OF girls, you know, with like the whole dating stuff too, we probably have like a bit more stories, you know, with like, you know, experiences with men and stuff.
	So, you know, I feel like it's more fun bringing us on because we exchange stories and stuff as well.
	Sure, but one of the cons of that that does concern me is there's definitely OnlyFans women who essentially lie about these their so-called dating experiences and stories just to create a story about them.
	Like there's some girl, there's some girls in Australia who like I'm pretty sure will like intentionally lie and say, oh yeah, there's some girl recently who went viral who said, oh, I slept with like 20 dudes.
	I don't know if any of you saw that.
	Oh, I did.
	Slept with like 20 guys in a 10-day vacation or something.
	Maybe she did.
	Maybe she did.
	I saw that on TikTok.
	Yeah, maybe she did.
	Maybe she didn't.
	But like, it would be expedient as an OnlyFans girl to say the most outrageous shit so you get like some.
	So it's very small.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Women like they do it.
	So they lie.
	So I would much rather invite people on who are like actually going to be like honest and forthcoming about their actual dating experiences instead of just coming on and like making something up that's inauthentic.
	And I'm not going to expose any like, I'm not going to name names, but we'll have like OnlyFans girls who've come on the show.
	Most of the time, I think the OF girls tend to be honest.
	However, we've definitely had girls come on the show.
	Oh, I'm single.
	And then after the show, they're like, oh, I've been dating a guy for three years.
	Oh, yeah.
	And then it's just like totally like, anyways, not to linger on this for too long, but so where was I going with that?
	Yes.
	Oh, right.
	We were going to talk about.
	Oh, does anybody here disagree with me on anything?
	That's something I'd like to start, try to start some of the shows with.
	If anybody disagrees with me, maybe you saw a clip and you're like, I disagree with him on that.
	I'd like to start there.
	Anybody?
	You having a girlfriend for three years and then, or a long amount of time.
	I heard this on a podcast of yours one time.
	You had a longtime girlfriend.
	Oh, okay.
	And you only took her out like twice or once.
	Wait, and how old is she?
	I think childishing.
	Oh, this is a long time ago.
	I think I was 22 and she was 19.
	I've been on the Fresh and Fit podcast and they've got fucking like 16-year-old girlfriends fucking winning.
	I just have to make sure you're not one of them.
	Wait, so what's the question?
	So I think that's just the thing.
	Yeah, and you only took her out twice.
	That is like a lot of fun.
	And then on top of that, on top of that, you said that you didn't think he was going to marry him, or that you split it 50-50 with her when you took her out.
	I think that is so insane to me, that concept.
	I don't understand how she did it.
	It was great.
	It was a great relationship.
	He knew I think.
	She wasn't going to have your babies.
	That's why.
	That was a complicated, it was a complicated relationship.
	It was a long-term relationship that I had.
	That was, we were a bit younger, so it was kind of like very, started out fairly casual.
	And I won't get into too many details, but I basically, like, for a pretty long period of the relationship, didn't take her seriously because of some indiscretions that she had at the start.
	So I kind of like, I did not want to take her seriously for a long-term relationship.
	Okay.
	It was a very complicated relationship.
	I'm fairly confident she had borderline personality disorder.
	So there was a lot of issues in that relationship.
	Most of my other relationships were a lot more smooth sailing, I guess you could say.
	Wait, you paid for the dates?
	Did you pay for the dates you went on the smooth sail?
	With her?
	No, the other ones.
	Since then, do you pay for the first date?
	Do you pay for the second?
	Yeah, for the most part, yeah.
	Okay.
	Yeah, for the most part.
	Are you in a relationship?
	And I take back my disagreement.
	Are you in a relationship?
	I cannot disclose my.
	I have to.
	I have some ops, let's say.
	So I try to, I'm going to keep that on racks.
	No.
	I just want to know.
	Well, I'm getting death threats.
	I don't know if you know about whatever podcast.
	And you're making people trying to dox and like death threats.
	And so I try to keep things a little vague.
	But yeah.
	No, I just wanted to know if I could hit or not.
	Well, oh, you're wondering if you could hit as in have sexual intercourse with me.
	Well, you're an attractive woman.
	However, I have to politely turn you down on that because there's videos of you on the internet having sexual intercourse with other men, which for me is a big no-no.
	A deal breaker.
	Have you watched any of them?
	No.
	I think, you know, we do, we look at people's Twitters before.
	Yes.
	And I had the mispleasure of having to look at your Twitter.
	Absolutely degenerate, but I did look at your Twitter and there were some with other men.
	Thank me for the good one.
	But yeah, I appreciate the invitation, but I must graciously, you know, I can't do it.
	Just by sim, just by virtue of you having had sex with another man on camera for me to do that.
	You're cute, though.
	Sorry.
	In that kind of like weird QA.
	I'm cute in that kind of weird caster kind of play.
	Thank you.
	I appreciate it.
	I have a little push on you.
	Thank you, buddy.
	This is another Lila situation.
	Yeah, I mean, when it comes to like, would I date a girl who does OnlyFans?
	I've, I've had different answers on this.
	Like, previously, I said so long as she never did any content with a man, that used to be, but, like, it's still suboptimal.
	Yeah.
	Suboptimal.
	I'm like, very much, I've never dated a woman who's done OnlyFans, even like tame, tame OnlyFans.
	Yeah.
	Is it possible?
	Like, it's very suboptimal.
	I mean, I have a strong preference for dating women who don't, but like, could there be a woman who's so amazing, but she did so low content?
	Maybe.
	Are you one of them people who's like, I want my girl to be a little virgin?
	I prefer a woman with a low body count, and if that means she's a virgin.
	What's a low body count in your eyes?
	I mean, it depends on the age, but I mean, the lower the better.
	So, I mean, a virgin would be the most optimum.
	Yeah.
	But does she have to be a virgin?
	No.
	But would that be like the ultimate in terms of the body count discussion?
	Less than 10 would be a low.
	I'd say that's a fairly good benchmark.
	Less than 10 is pretty good.
	Less than five is stellar.
	So it just gets better than lower.
	Yeah, the lower you go.
	In the same way, it's like with the amount of money a guy makes.
	The more commas, the better.
	You know, you'd like, you know, one would be, well, one.
	I mean, perhaps zeros, not commons.
	Let's do zeros.
	But, wait, what do you mean if they're what?
	Yeah, what age.
	What age are you like?
	Well, we're talking about you could be 35 and be a virgin.
	No, I mean, is it, I mean, is it like what age would you go as your optional age?
	He's just trying to get his tie.
	Age is just a number.
	I mean, an adult woman, but generally, generally, I would say I date people.
	I'm 34.
	I typically, typically have dated people around my age.
	But I mean, I'd date someone who's 21.
	I would have to do that.
	So, yeah.
	I mean.
	You got a chance.
	Sorry.
	What's up?
	Oh, yeah, guys.
	Go to twitch.tv slash whatever.
	Job is a follow.
	Job is a prime sub if you have one.
	Thank you guys for all the primes.
	Also, go to our YouTube channel, Nick, if you can pull that up.
	Guys, go to our Eclipse channel, whatever second on YouTube.
	Mod spam that in the chat.
	We're going to get that.
	I feel like I'm being interrogated here.
	Turntables.
	The turntables.
	Ask people to disagree with yourself.
	So, yeah, the lower the body count, the better.
	Preferably, no OF.
	But, again, conceivably, if this woman is, like, amazing and...
	That's kind of sweet to her.
	Truth be told, again, like, it would be...
	The bar is here.
	But, again, if I have other women to choose from, I would almost overwhelmingly pick a woman who has not done...
	Oh, definitely.
	Why is she looking at me that way?
	Okay.
	I just want to fuck you.
	Brian, I think.
	Hold on, I gotta do something for you.
	Say that.
	Wait, say that again.
	I just want to fuck you.
	I'm gonna let Andrew Tate here respond for this.
	Is he gonna shout at me?
	I could film it.
	Manny, go ahead.
	I was just gonna say, sexual harassment.
	Am I being sexually harassed?
	No, I'm sorry if you feel uncomfortable.
	No, it's all good.
	I'm a good sport.
	One topic is, you know, ladies, are you happy with the state of where men are at in general right now?
	Just the average man on the street, if we walk down, you know, this street down here, are we happy with where men are at in society?
	Or we think they need to be more manly, less manly, sleeping with less, sleeping with more.
	More manly.
	Yeah, I think they need to be more manly.
	So when people say like toxic masculinity, I honestly feel like that's like to water down the masculine energy men have and make them more feminine, like that Timothy Shamala guy or like Terry Shamala.
	Shamala.
	Sham!
	Like, you know, stuff like that.
	Like, I could never be with a guy like that.
	Like, I want a guy who can protect me and, you know, just provide.
	And then like the toxic masculinity, like, I feel like they need our feminine energy.
	It's toxic masculinity.
	It's made up.
	It's made up to water them down to be feminine.
	Like, I do not believe in that.
	I think men need to be more manly.
	Oh, you don't mean that.
	You want the toxic.
	Yes, we love it.
	We love it.
	Okay.
	Okay, there we go.
	And then I was going to say, Brian, are you happy on the reverse with where women are at right now?
	I mean, there's great women out there, but I think there's a trend in both men and women.
	Men are lacking in masculinity.
	Women are lacking in femininity.
	I think there's a lot of degeneracy.
	And, you know, I think, you know, you have men addicted to porn.
	I think then that's something that you guys are on a crusade against and then we're helping men with at least.
	And, you know, women are, and also men are, you know, very, I used to play video games, but I think a lot of men are suffering additionally from video game addiction.
	Maybe that's your next thing.
	But, you know, I was going to say, because we all have this moral relativism.
	I can never say that word correctly, but just you have an idea, what you think is right, you have an idea, you have an idea, you have an idea.
	And it's interesting, you know, as we were preparing for this, just going back to what do we believe?
	You know, where is our morals coming from?
	You know, we all have this natural law in our heart of we know what's right, we know what's wrong.
	And when we look back, you know, we said, we've got to go to the good book.
	We open up the Bible and we're looking at things like don't have premarital sex, don't be committing adultery, don't be sexually immoral, threesomes, you name it.
	And we looked at why is this the case?
	You know, why is it we shouldn't be having premarital sex?
	And it was interesting just writing down why would God say something like that.
	And we looked at, don't want to get pregnant before, don't want to have an STD before, don't want to bring shame to the family, don't want to bring something hard into the relationship, and also just especially, and this is my cry to you guys because I care about you guys, of the whole idea of, you know, you're working with these boyfriends, but who knows who they are?
	Because we don't know the names, we don't have IP addresses.
	And if there's somebody in their basement and they're saying, hey, I can lock her up and keep her down there, and it's just, it frightens me, and I care about you guys, and so I'm glad we're just getting to be here.
	I get to say something like that.
	But just coming back to where do we all draw our moral standards from?
	Because Brian's saying 10 women is fine, maybe one, maybe OnlyFans, maybe not OnlyFans.
	And some people are saying, Virgin, and where are we drawing these things from?
	And then bigger than that, is it working for us in society?
	Or maybe should we start looking back to the good book instead?
	I think the Bible's made up.
	And I think like the Ten Commandments honestly was just something to kind of like scare us into being good into like, you know, but I also feel like the Bible and the Ten Commandments is kind of like a coping mechanism for some people to just like, you know, live day to day and be good, do that, you'll get to heaven when you die.
	You know, it's kind of just like kind of like some assurance, you know, when they die, you know, they feel comfortable.
	But honestly, like, you know, when you say like premarital sex, I don't agree with that because it's like, okay, you marry somebody and what if you guys aren't compatible sexually?
	So it's like, and then you have to go through a whole divorce and all of that.
	Well, a couple of things.
	First, when Becca and I first got married, you know, it took time.
	You know, it took time.
	And that's one of the beautiful things about marriages.
	I ain't going nowhere.
	You ain't going nowhere.
	We are iron-sharpening iron.
	We are improving each other.
	And that's a really, really cool thing.
	There's this interesting stat of women have a lot more orgasms and sexual satisfaction when they're actually married.
	There was this crazy stat we read where it was only 11% of women will have an orgasm the first time they hook up with someone.
	Now, before I met Manny, I definitely struggled in college.
	I slept around for a time.
	And yeah, I never had an orgasm with someone.
	You know, this is something people don't want to talk about.
	It's just like, oh, even in porn.
	Like, there's another stat where only 18% of porn scenes show women having orgasms.
	Yeah, the ones I've done, they make them think it.
	But when we talk about like, oh, porn and it's female empowerment, but it's just like it's not even showcasing women as important enough to get that enjoyment out of having sex, you know?
	Yeah, it's a big part of it.
	Sometimes, obviously, you can get pleasure from not coming.
	And also, sometimes it's just like, it's a job at the end of the day, like it's getting the job done.
	Like, you know, we're on set for like a long day.
	You're not going to be like, sat there for 20 minutes.
	Said I'm not a train of myself.
	Gosh, I want to come back to the Bible thing for just a second, just because that was one thing of coming on and being in front of millions of people, potentially like, what do you believe?
	And looking back at it, it was a very interesting thing.
	One of them was we have to have objective truth, right?
	So you can't say, my truth is the truth, and your truth is the truth, and your truth is the truth, because how do you know that to be true?
	So we have to have some truth.
	One of the things that atheists have said is that space, time, and matter, bam, the big bang.
	So if there was no space, time, and matter before, something had to be before.
	So some God, some something had to be there before.
	And then we look at could a miracle happen?
	Well, if God could create the world, then he can make miracles.
	And then you look at Jewish writers who were talking to Jesus and Jesus saying, I'm the Son of God.
	It would be blasphemous for them to make this up.
	Just the whole idea of, hey, this guy, he died on a cross, took our sins, rose from the dead, performed all these miracles.
	It wouldn't make any sense for them to make him up.
	And I think one of the biggest things for my faith was just when Jesus ascended to heaven, he said, make disciples of all nations.
	And these guys went all over the world and they all died crucifixion, eaten, stabbed, crucified upside down.
	And it's like, why would they have done that if they didn't believe?
	Now I have my personal faith and I have evidence of, yeah, I can back that up and I can look into these things and archaeologically and historically we can look into it.
	But coming back to the orgasm, because I'm going to be the big expert on that topic.
	Just going back to it quickly.
	You know, it's interesting in porn, if you don't have a 14-inch penis and you're someone like me with only a 12-inch, you know, you're considered dead.
	I wish.
	But, well, anyway.
	But the whole idea is, you know, you are shamed and you're never going to be able to please a woman.
	And the fact that, what is it, 75% of women can't even have an orgasm.
	About 70% can't experience an orgasm from penis and vagina sex.
	And it's interesting because if we just want to have orgasms, if we just want to do that, well, we can all jerk off the porn.
	We can all grab the vibrator.
	We can be by ourselves and we don't need to be by anyone.
	And that's, you know, coming back to the original point of one of the things with men in this world.
	63% of men are single by choice under 30, going, I got my girlfriend right here.
	I got my everything right here.
	I got my gambling.
	I got my weed.
	I got my alcohol.
	Why do I need to go out and procreate?
	And it's crazy because we got a 1.6% birth rate right now.
	I'm doing my job.
	We've got our third on the way right now.
	And so we're trying to keep the earth populated, but it legitimately is a scary thing of this world could go extinct.
	So that's why when we look at the married men watching porn, we're going, you got to handle these problems.
	We can't be having more divorces.
	We can't have more single men saying, I want to stay single.
	I want to stay with you.
	I want you guys to make money and be able to survive and do all those things.
	I don't have a problem with that, but I think the bigger thing is looking at it in a much, much bigger light.
	And that was Beck and I.
	We just said, if this could save one marriage, if it could prevent one SA from happening, if it could prevent one self-deletion from happening, then it'd all be worth it.
	So big rant, big ramble, big all that stuff.
	But coming back to a way, way bigger point of just that whole concept of if it could save one life, if it could save one marriage, if it could prevent one SA from happening.
	I mean, literally thinking of that girl, thinking of that boy, you know, because people go down these rabbit holes and they're watching porn and they're turned on and then all of a sudden they see something scary and these neurons that are firing together Now, wiring together, and they see a woman get hit, and they're like, Why do I have a boner right now after watching that woman get slapped?
	And there's a crazy stat: 20.7% of straight men have you gay porn in the last six months.
	And so, you look at that, and I talk to these men all the time, and they're like, I watched this, I watched this.
	I'm like, I don't even know what this stuff is.
	And they're like, It's like Andy in the office, like, Am I gay?
	And I'm like, Good no, your brain has been a lot of fun.
	There's a big reason for that, though.
	So, um, I also went to school for psychology, and one of the things that we studied was porn addiction addiction or corn addiction and things like that.
	And so, people who become addicted to corn, uh, vanilla sex then becomes boring to them, so they go and they go deeper and deeper and deeper to a point where, well, now the only way that I can view sex is on my phone, and it's BDSM, things like that.
	And now, they go to their wife and they're like, Hey, um, I'm not performing correctly, or like, what's going on?
	It becomes such a deeper problem.
	Yeah, I remember you were saying that earlier, just it's such a pervasive idea that, like, it's the partner's fault.
	Like, like, I some way wasn't sexually pleasing enough for Manny that he had to go to this other source.
	Um, but I wasn't designed for that, you know, like I'm not a gangbang, I'm not gonna meet, I'm not gonna meet that need.
	But, like, people need new and novel.
	Like, when someone starts out, what do they do?
	Like, most the average age that someone starts watching porn now is eight years old.
	And, you know, at first, it's, hey, I'm looking at a Playboy photo, or I'm looking at a Victoria's Secret magazine.
	Ooh, I'm sneaking it from my parents.
	Great.
	For a little bit, that's exciting.
	Then it's not.
	Then you need a lot more photos.
	Then you need videos.
	Then you need a lot wilder, crazier videos, and to the point where it's just like, of course, this is causing sexual dysfunction for people in their relationships because it's meeting a need.
	It's not a need, meeting a desire that one person alone cannot ever satisfy.
	Because this is how we're designed to be one-on-one.
	And when you're able to just control it, it's very different experience.
	Wait, so to go back, Madison, can you grab that?
	Nick, just keep it off that angle.
	Is she okay?
	Yeah, she's good.
	She's a little bit reality.
	Wait, so okay.
	Going back to the disagreement stuff, if anybody disagrees with anything that they've heard from the podcast, maybe you've seen clips.
	You had one thing.
	Anybody else want to open it up?
	Where are you at with the marriage topic?
	Yeah.
	Oh, gosh.
	Well, I mean, from a religious perspective, marriage makes sense.
	Join us.
	Not us personally.
	Yeah, there you go.
	She's not up for that gangbang.
	She's not up for it.
	Idealistically, marriage is cool, I guess.
	From a religious perspective, I think it's great.
	But there's just certain realities when it comes to marriage because, you know, at any point in your relationship, let's say both people are religious.
	At any point in the marriage, for example, as a man, the risks, the point of view from a man, your wife could just randomly choose.
	She reserves the right at any point to sorry, the thing is becoming undone again.
	Your wife reserves the right at any point to become a feminist and go to the state for recourse in her divorce where she can get alimony and prenups are regularly.
	My understanding, I mean, I'm going to have some family and divorce lawyers on the show eventually, but my understanding with prenups is it applies for, it can apply for everything earned prior to the marriage, I believe.
	But once you're married, it becomes collective property.
	So whatever you make during the course of the marriage could be subject to, you know, community property.
	She gets 50% of whatever it was that you made during that.
	Then there's alimony, et cetera.
	And then frequently, prenups frequently get challenged.
	Recently here in Santa Barbara, we had, oh, who's that actor?
	Nick, could you Google the actor, famous actor?
	His name is evading me right now.
	It was a dispute here in Santa Barbara because they were married to Kevin Costner.
	Kevin Costner, thank you.
	Very wealthy actor.
	And they had a prenuptial agreement.
	And it was very favorable to the wife.
	The agreement, she would get a certain amount of money.
	But there was a clause in the prenup that says you will not, if you challenge the prenup in court, you will not receive certain benefits that would have otherwise been awarded to you under the prenup.
	She went ahead and challenged the prenup anyways, despite the fact that the prenups had something like, I'll give you, I don't know the exact numbers, but she would get an immediate upon divorce, an immediate.
	$300K a month.
	Well, she got $200K in what, child support?
	$200,000?
	She would get an immediate $200,000 payment.
	I thought it was more.
	That doesn't seem like it's not.
	Monthly.
	I don't know what it was.
	I don't know.
	In any case, she would get an immediate, very large sum, and she'd get some child support and alimony.
	She challenged it anyways.
	Then you're talking about lawyers' fees.
	I think the husband might have to pay the.
	Anyways, can I jump in on what you're saying, though?
	Because I think it's really interesting.
	Can high-value men even get married?
	Like, women are like, I want a high-value man.
	I want the high-value and the 12-inch penis and things like that.
	All right, you know, we were joking earlier.
	I don't know if you're here or not.
	But anyway, the whole idea, though, of like, can they even get married?
	Because one of the beautiful things with Becca and I is when we met, we were literally sleeping on a dead man's bed and we didn't kill the guy.
	But what happened was our family ran assisted living homes and my dad's like, I got a bed for you.
	And it's like, great.
	And then I'm like, years later, I'm like, where did we get that bed from?
	He's like, well, somebody passed.
	You know, we had an open bed.
	I'm like, what?
	So we're literally sleeping on a dead man bed when we first get married.
	But then we got to grow with each other and that's a beautiful thing.
	And so sometimes when women say, well, I'll just marry the high-value man when I'm 35 and he's 45.
	Well, why does he need you?
	Why does he want you?
	What are you bringing to the table?
	How are you iron-sharpening iron?
	So that's why I feel like it's important for a woman to still work.
	And like if I got married, I would sign the prenup so my husband, you know, wouldn't have that lingering thought in his head, like, okay, well, what if she doesn't want to be with me, but she doesn't have anything?
	So she's not going to say anything and just, you know, use me.
	So I feel like it's important for a woman to still have her own, you know, motion going on, her own stream of income.
	And the man has his own thing going on too.
	Because if you don't want to be with him, you can leave and you won't feel stuck and trapped and then hate your life.
	Like, you know, I feel like I could never just be taken care of and not do anything.
	Like, I'd have to have some kind of business going on.
	Well, he's not looking for money from you.
	He's obviously, if he's high value, making all this money, driving the Lambos.
	So in that regard, he's looking for something that maybe he didn't have those first 20 years when he's building his empire.
	So he's looking for someone to help build that family.
	So then it's kind of what value are you bringing to the table at that point?
	He doesn't need the 100 grand, 200 grand, even a million if he's making 10, let's say.
	I don't know.
	He's Kevin Costley.
	He's on the market.
	I'm not going to get more money, though.
	I feel like if you're going to get married, you shouldn't have to question your partner, like, oh, I'm going to get a prenup.
	Like, that wouldn't even cross my mind.
	Planning for it.
	No.
	No, it's not.
	You're right.
	That's how I feel.
	It's like when this fails.
	Yes.
	Do you guys have a prenup?
	I honestly, I don't think so.
	No money.
	I know when I get married, I'm also going to sign a prenup.
	Not necessarily because I'm wanting something to fail.
	I don't think that my marriage is going to fail.
	I'm religious.
	I wouldn't get married to you if I thought it was going to get failed in the first place.
	However, there are things like affairs where or if something were to occur where I can get an annulment through my own church, then yeah, I would go ahead and get a divorce or something like that.
	But when you're married, you're supposed to stay with them through the corner of the marriage.
	I'm sorry, I'm not going to stay with a cheater, though.
	You know what I'm saying?
	Forgiveness.
	No, I'm not going to stay with a cheater.
	Something that if God is out of your life, especially if God leaves our relationship, I do not want to be with you.
	I do want to ask those who are perhaps more pro-marriage.
	And again, look, from a religious perspective, I don't object to it.
	And also, I just want to make something clear.
	I think you can object to the institution of marriage, but also be in favor of a long-term, committed, monogamous, like you could raise children, have a nuclear family without involving the government, without getting married.
	And so I guess it's a two-part question.
	Can you present to me, those of you who perhaps are more in favor of marriage, compelling and convincing arguments why I or other men should get married?
	And assuming that these men are otherwise open to having a nuclear family, say they're open to having a, not just open, but desirous of having a monogamous, long-term life partner.
	Yeah, I think when we have these iPhones that we can look at, I don't know if I'm allowed to say that word, but when you have an iPhone, you can look at corn all day, shouldn't we all just be walking around like, oh my goodness, I can see any naked person at any time at anything.
	And people are depressed.
	People are walking around, not feeling good, suicide rates, self-deletion rates are high.
	Sorry it was on the list.
	And so we have to look at that.
	Why does somebody want to get married?
	Love, connection, and intimacy.
	And it's beautiful because it's a great environment for me to raise my children in.
	I get to have children.
	Gosh, when you have those kids and just getting to it, it's something that once you do, you get that full experience.
	But it's a better environment for them.
	It is better for me to be married because it's way harder to step out on this relationship because we are absolutely committed to each other till death.
	But let me, okay, so, but again, I think you mentioned love.
	You can have monogamy.
	You can have all these things outside of marriage.
	And you mentioned, well, it's great for the kids.
	But you're worried about they're going to walk on you.
	Well, it got a little hard.
	Sex isn't as good.
	I saw it on OnlyFans.
	But we have a massive divorce industry.
	So this idea that marriage forever keeps people in relationships is fallacious because clearly people are getting divorced, even deeply religious people.
	Let me bring up an interesting topic for you then.
	So with arranged marriages, they have a 4% to 6% roughly divorce rate.
	And we got 40% to 50% divorce rate.
	And some people say, I worship the God of science, lowercase G.
	And they say, if it's in a scientific thing, then I'm going to worship it and I care about it.
	But then when you come to something like this, then they go, well, you know, I feel like I can choose my and emotions just right over it.
	But what percentage of marriages do you think will, in 2024, are coming from arranged that are arranged?
	I think it's a good thing.
	Well, I think one of the big things is they don't know each other.
	They're working on their relationship.
	They're saying we're not going anywhere.
	We're going to be in this thing for the long haul versus just, we'll try it if it doesn't work.
	We'll get the divorce.
	And we got, you know, 97% of alimony payments are made by men to women.
	So if I am the feminist, then I can jump out.
	But he was saying how many, how many marriages are arranged?
	Probably very few.
	I assume it's very few.
	I feel like I feel like a billion people in India would say that.
	Oh, well, sure.
	But I'm looking more at it from the U.S. perspective or even the Western perspective where I think marriage is something that's typically more voluntarily entered into as opposed to arranged.
	Now, we can certainly have a conversation of should we bring back, should we have arranged marriages?
	Perhaps it works, But I think that that's unlikely to be a realistic implementation anytime in the near future, anyways.
	So, look, again, my concern is just I just don't see a compelling argument for it when I can have, I can have the family, I could be monogamous without having the state involved in my commitment.
	And also, it's so much more commitment.
	Is it?
	Yeah, well, my parents always taught me that once you're in a marriage, you're in the middle of the morning.
	So basically, but you're removing agency from the individual.
	It's basically there's the state's gun pointed at you in one way or another, saying, well, if you divorce, if you guys get divorced, then there will be financial ruin.
	And I think that's a terrible reason to stay in a relationship.
	Well, there will be financial repercussions if you don't.
	How about just build a really solid relationship with somebody?
	Well, the whole point of getting married in the first place is that you're going to die with that person.
	So it's not really this, it shouldn't be the state pointing a gun at you, being like, okay, one day you guys are, when you guys decide to get divorced, we're going to come in there and jack everything.
	No, that's not, if you can even picture not being with your life, spending your life with somebody at any point in your life, don't be with them.
	The whole point of getting married in the first place is to say, I don't care about your flaws.
	I don't care what you do.
	Anything else?
	I'm there.
	I'm there.
	You were going to work with your period.
	Grid one motor sports.
	You can have that.
	Thank you, Grid.
	Thank you, Grid 1.
	Appreciate it.
	I've watched a lot of marriages fail over the years.
	You are either in it to win it or you stand ready to pull the ripcord and bail.
	Women sue for divorce 80% of the time.
	Men are not the problem, ladies.
	Because nobody's viewing marriage as people used to view it.
	I mean, if you think of it nowadays, when did the divorce rate spike?
	It was back in the 70s.
	What was in the 60s?
	What was in the 50s?
	What was in the 30s, the 40s, the 20s?
	Well, people were hiding heavily.
	I was like, I'm not afraid of the birth control pill.
	Exactly.
	No, exactly.
	I'm not disagreeing whatsoever.
	I honestly do believe women can kind of be the problem.
	I think it's just the view of marriage.
	It's like it's been destroyed as like, oh, the ball and chain.
	Exactly.
	Yes, it's no longer perception positive.
	Brian, like you, it's like you don't have faith that having a marriage can be this absolutely beautiful thing to be committed to someone.
	Without the marriage.
	Yeah, that's kind of my position is like, I'm not like this guy who just wants to sleep with a bunch of women throughout all my years and never have long-term relationship or never have children.
	Like I can certainly absolutely see myself having a partner and us having kids and it being monogamous and faithful and us staying together for the rest of our lives.
	I'm just, I'm not sold on the marriage component of it because it's like, well, what if it doesn't work?
	You know?
	You know what I mean?
	You know what I mean?
	Everything's connected and you're taxed.
	Everything's connected.
	I think you know in your gut and like you should just always stick by that person and work together and the problems you have.
	Okay, but so what you know when you get married, what are the vows that you have to say?
	Till death do us part in sickness and in health and good and what is it and good and bad.
	Yeah, right.
	You know, those words have to mean something.
	But clearly those words mean nothing to like a vast swaths of people who ultimately end up getting divorced, despite them saying that in front of their friends and family.
	I think there's a couple problems.
	First off, on the social level, there's no longer really a stigma to getting divorced.
	So like on the societal, and certainly I don't think we're going to do anything.
	We're having divorce parties.
	How's this going to happen?
	We're not going to do anything to like legislate.
	I don't think that there's going to be any legislation really to like revamp anything.
	And so we've, that's an error, I think.
	And then we have no social pressure.
	There's no social stigma to being divorced.
	Your community doesn't give a fuck.
	Your family doesn't care.
	Your friends don't care.
	You're not going to face a stigma.
	If you're a Catholic, for example, there's still, I think, to some degree stigma there within your subculture.
	But even then, people are getting divorced.
	So there's no laws that are kind of incentivizing people to stay together.
	We have no fault divorce.
	And then there's no social stigma.
	So it's because it's been normalized.
	Well, and also, the moment, if the man's the breadwinner in the relationship, this is why this is sort of a gendered issue because why men are hesitant to get married.
	Don't let this one come in from grid one motorsports.
	Thank you.
	Lesbian relationships fail an order of magnitude more than gay marriages.
	Ladies, you are the problem.
	Well, look at that.
	Feminism has failed you.
	The patriarchy stands ready to restore.
	Patriarchy.
	Let's go.
	The patriarchy is.
	By the way, Grid One Motorsports is kind of like the head of the patriarchy.
	He is like the head honcho of the patriarchy.
	So just letting you guys know.
	But I'm trying to remember what I was saying.
	No societal stigma.
	We're not going to, no fault divorce.
	Shit, where was I?
	Totally forgot.
	One of the reasons why I too get married, when I got married to Becca, it's like, oh my goodness, I got to start making some money here.
	And magically, once we get married, it's like, I need to start making more money.
	And then she says, I'm pregnant.
	And I'm like, we can't afford a kid.
	And magically, I find a way to make $50,000 more that year.
	And it literally comes down to what Dwight said in the office.
	Use your surge of fear and adrenaline to sharpen your decision-making skills.
	And when you get that, being told, we're pregnant, we're having a baby.
	She's having a baby.
	Yeah, you better believe it makes you more money.
	So people who are married make more money.
	Not that you need to make more money, Brian.
	You're just fine.
	But that whole concept.
	And then just when I wear this ring to the gym, this is like woman repellent and just keeps me.
	Is it though?
	It is.
	No.
	Oh, I better believe it.
	I've actually heard that.
	I've heard some like, I don't know if it was a study or like just anecdotes from married men.
	It's a challenge.
	They'll like get hit on by women.
	And I've also heard from men, like when they're single, chicks just be ignoring them, but all of a sudden they get a girlfriend.
	I thought you want one.
	You can just get like hit on.
	And so.
	George Fostanza.
	I think certainly good women are probably going to be like, see the ring and be like, okay, off limits.
	But I think.
	Some girls are crazy.
	I have.
	I have heard from some married men that they're like, yo, girls are see the ring.
	They're hitting on me and shit.
	Girls see a ring and they get fucking wet, honestly.
	I don't know, but it could be, I could see it's, you know, all right.
	Good times.
	Good times.
	She's like, don't worry about it.
	Again, it comes back down to the bottom.
	I'm not worried about him, though, so I know.
	That's how it should be.
	It comes back down to that person.
	One of the big things we teach is that when you go to porn, you're trying to heal a pain that's going on inside, whether that was being made fun of, bullied, some trauma.
	And after a while, your brain, stress, reactivity systems, they break down.
	And anytime you're hungry, angry, lonely, tired, board, stressed, anything, you just go to this vice.
	And coming back to that, when I was overcoming porn, it was the process of going from being a boy who runs away from his problems and runs to porn and then becoming a man who stands up to his problem and says, I'm going to face this thing head on.
	So a woman hits on me in the gym and I say, be gone.
	You know, it's, you know, hello, hello, but be gone.
	You know, she doesn't see that, then I'm walking the other way.
	And just in all things in life, you know, one of the big things, I think, is called team vulnerable because you need a team of people around you, but talking to them and saying, what's really going on?
	When I was early on in the process, if I got horny, it's like, there's no reason for me to be horny.
	What's really going on?
	Is it a trauma I haven't dealt with?
	Is it halt, BS, hungry, angry, lonely, tired, board, stressed?
	But boys becoming men, that's really the process.
	It has nothing to do with porn.
	It has nothing to do with OnlyFans.
	It's about standing up, having that moment of strength and vulnerability, and handling what's going on inside.
	Did you get to the bottom of why you're one can say?
	Hold on, hold on, no.
	Hold on.
	Let's stay on topic.
	Who here wants to get married?
	No.
	No.
	Okay.
	All right.
	I mean, just to wrap up a little bit on the marriage topic, from my perspective, right?
	As a businessman, I don't sign contracts that don't benefit me.
	You never sign a contract with someone who is rewarded for breaking it.
	Marriage is a contract.
	And no sane, informed man ought to sign that contract.
	It's a terrible, like, if you were to look at it from a, hold on.
	Doc Venabili has donated $100.
	Brixon, here is what you do.
	You want people that disagree with you.
	Bring four couples to her show, convince you about marriage, and put you in her place.
	Include me and Becker.
	You will be a groom by end of show.
	Thank you, Doc Vanablis.
	Look, again, I'm in favor.
	I'm not trying to promote, you know, just casual sex.
	I'm not saying that.
	I think the nuclear family is fantastic for the individual, fantastic for the family, and it's the most optimum for society.
	And I think you can have the nuclear family without marriage.
	There's just certain realities going on.
	Thank you, Chris.
	Thank you, Gridwood.
	Married 18 years to a woman 11 years my junior, retired at 45, never been divorced.
	No kids out of wedlock.
	Not only am I the dog's bollocks, I am the patriarchy.
	Oh, he is.
	He is the patriarchy.
	Hey, Grid One.
	Thank you, man.
	Appreciate it.
	Never been divorced.
	There you go.
	Grid one.
	He's living the dream.
	Grid one is living the dream.
	When it comes to prenuptial agreements, though, I think it's not going to save you if the woman is motivated enough.
	She could, I mean, she could even lie.
	She could say there was coercion or fraudulent inducement.
	Why do you think it's a bad deal for you?
	Marriage?
	Yeah.
	Well, okay.
	So you have three things.
	Well, there's a couple things.
	There's a whole bunch.
	Community.
	So when you're married, and I'm not an expert in this topic, but I've consulted with divorce attorneys and I've done my own research.
	So once you get married, you have community property.
	So once the marriage starts, everything that you like from that point moving forward, that's shared, okay?
	yeah so in the event of a divorce uh if you're a man and you're making yeah but what if the girl's making more Then she may very well be hesitant to enter into marriage herself or she may want to have a pre-nuptial agreement.
	There is some bias in the court system against men, but women who are high earners absolutely have perhaps a reason to pause on marriage with someone who earns less than them because there is a chance that half the shit is going to them.
	So there's that.
	There's also just the financial cost of a divorce.
	Now, I'm not 100% certain if it's the case in the divorce.
	If the, for example, if you're the breadwinner and your woman, excuse me, if your wife is, you're a woman, she's like, didn't really participate economically or financially.
	Poor your husband.
	Because that can be a breadwinner.
	Sure, sure.
	But I'm just, from the male perspective, I think you not only would have to pay your attorney, you'd have to pay for her attorney.
	Attorneys typically charge $200 to $300 an hour.
	Divorces are typically not cheap.
	They drag on for years.
	Anything related to litigation or the court system is rather not just financially taxing, but is rather just mentally draining and mentally distracting.
	Whereas you could have perhaps a more clean split if you weren't tied in a marriage.
	So there's that, there's alimony, of course, and then kind of unrelated because you could have children outside of wedlock.
	There's of course child support, but that's not really related to marriage because you can have children outside of wedlock and child support can come into the picture whether you're married or not.
	So there's alimony, there's the legal costs, and then there's the community property component of it where you could be giving her essentially half of everything you've earned during the course of the marriage.
	You could get half of everything she's on.
	Right, but like for one, for one, I'm doing all right for myself, so I probably out earn 99% of women.
	And then women don't marry with guys that make less than that.
	That's a very good point.
	And then also, I'm not really from the man's side of that, frankly, I'm not really, I don't really care about a woman's money.
	I'd prefer she's not in debt and perhaps she has she can take off take care of herself, but she doesn't need to be a boss babe.
	She doesn't need to be grinding, working 70 hours a week.
	I'm not really preoccupied with her money.
	Look, if she's a fantastic person and she happens to be very successful, but also still has maintained the thing with work, and there is a certain cutthroatness that you need to develop, especially if you're an entrepreneur or you're self-employed.
	You do develop certain, you need to doing business can sometimes be, you're dealing with certain personalities and like you have to like deal with the politicalness of the corporate world if you're in like a corporate job.
	And I think you do tend to develop perhaps more masculine traits as a woman if you're very heavily, not always, but you can start developing a bit more of a, you know, you may get a little bit more in your masculine, which some men might find less attractive.
	So I don't really, but ultimately, I don't really care about a woman's money.
	Now, on the flip side, if I'm like, she's a billionaire heiress.
	I'm not saying no to that.
	I'm not saying no, but you'll get married tomorrow.
	Look, if she's the ring.
	Let me put it to you.
	Because some guys are like, it's not, it's not, if a woman makes her own money, or even if she's a high earner, that's, it's not necessarily an issue unless it's somehow like her hyper-focus on her career has an impact on the relationship in some conceivable way.
	And I think oftentimes it can and does.
	But on its own, just because she makes a lot of money or has a successful career on its own isn't necessarily an issue.
	But it doesn't make her more attractive.
	The same way that, for example, a man who's an attorney or a doctor or high status or whatever will certainly make himself more attractive to a woman.
	It doesn't make a woman more attractive.
	I'd say it depends on the woman.
	I don't think a successful woman cares.
	Because I'm going to be honest, you can come up to me, tell me you're a doctor, you're an attorney.
	I don't really care.
	Really?
	Yeah.
	I have a question for you, do you, question for you.
	You're currently, when you're in a situation ship, what does he do?
	We met at work, so he's also working.
	Okay, you're in the same.
	Okay, okay.
	No, I don't care about that.
	Wait, wait, wait, wait.
	Let me just address that.
	So do you want, how many kids do you want?
	Two, three, whatever.
	I don't really.
	Do you want to be working while you're pregnant?
	Yes.
	However, I've put myself into a situation where I'm good for a while.
	Okay, so you're financially good.
	I'm good.
	It's just like 10 years from now and he's starting his career or he wants me to pay for his medical school so that I can get to the point where I can stay at home.
	Yeah, that's fine.
	I don't really care if you come to me and you tell me where to go.
	When you have kids, do you want to maybe take a little breather from work?
	When I have a child, I'm not going to be working at all.
	So for 18 years, you're not going to work?
	Yeah.
	Or longer.
	Hold on.
	I'll adjust that.
	Yeah, thank you, Grace.
	$100.
	We need more women like Natalie and less trash like OnlyFans Garbage.
	Oh, damn.
	She's been three times.
	Did she?
	Yeah.
	Okay, she's good, Grief.
	Here, what?
	Wait, three times.
	So she's wasted $300.
	You care too much.
	You sound like a fan.
	Thank you.
	Base grace.
	Subscribe.
	Thank you.
	We have the West dude.
	I just want to read this since it's before it disappears.
	Yo, the West dude, thank you, man.
	Appreciate it.
	How do you show through actions, not words, that you are not just using the men you go on dates with as an ATM or foodie date?
	I do want to address your point.
	Here, let me write that down.
	Do any of the girls want to answer this from the West dude?
	How do you show, through actions, not words, that you are not just using the men you go on dates with that?
	They're maybe like being specifically reassurance.
	Yeah, I like you, we don't have to go on dates all the time and spend money on me, like like you guys said, you know, like handwritten letters, like for Valentine's Day, like a nice conversation, like what we want with each other.
	You know like that, you know that's what.
	And also I sleep with every guy that I go on a date with.
	So, like you know, you know you oh, we'll get.
	We're gonna get into it.
	By the way guys, we we're gonna, assuming you know they don't get cold feet.
	We have a hater who's gonna call in a feet.
	We have a female hater who's gonna call in.
	And then I have notes, everybody here hate hate, hate we.
	I have notes here from everybody.
	We got some juicy notes from all the panelists at the table.
	We're gonna get into that.
	So the West dude thank you for the your chat.
	I there was a study, West dude, where I think I think it was from like Arizona State Union, ASU maybe where a professor there did a study and found that like it was like 33 or 66 percent Nick, are you looking it up of women have engaged in foodie calls, which is basically the, where they go on to dinner without like any sort of, without way too much effort, just for a free dinner.
	I would agree with you.
	I don't know what would be a lot of told to a fucking random.
	Oh wait Nick, what's the story of the woman in New York City, the Asian woman who did like, who went on six dates a week and never paid for groceries?
	Can you pull that link?
	Yeah, I didn't have that much like.
	Thank you, West Dude, for bringing that up.
	You got anything, Nick.
	So do the foodie call study and then do the.
	What's it?
	What is it?
	The the the, the.
	There's a NEW YORK POST article from that girl who never bought groceries for two years because she went on.
	Yeah, she hustled for sure.
	Let me read these chats.
	Grace Chong, we need more young women to be Natalie and less of garbage like Grace.
	They've already had that like three times.
	Yo Grace, thank you, appreciate it.
	Grace, is this your homie, Natalie?
	She's she's, she's very supportive.
	She's the CFO of WAR ROOM.
	So what's Woolroom?
	Is that her support?
	Okay yo, Grace Chong, we should have her on the show Grace.
	You want to live in California, so you should have her on You.
	Like paid your friend to comment on it.
	No, I'd love to meet you.
	And then you should have Grace on.
	Wow, she tripled down.
	Thank you, Grace.
	Appreciate it.
	Four young women like Natalie.
	Wow, okay.
	She was so she sent it three times.
	Thank you, dude.
	You need to find better things to spend your money on.
	Could have just bought it.
	Levin Dosker for the hat-trick!
	It's a hat-trick.
	Grace math.
	She's got Grace.
	Grace Chung with the hat-trick for Natalie.
	She ate.
	You said she's in California?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, let's do it.
	Let's do it.
	Grace, send us a DM on Instagram at Williams.
	And then I will donate saying we need more young women to do that.
	Three times, you got to do it three times.
	Perfect.
	Cool.
	Thank you, Grace.
	Appreciate it.
	Thank you for the support, Grace.
	You're awesome.
	Nick, do you have anything pulled up?
	Foodie Call, nearly a third of women have gone on dates just for free food, survey finds.
	Truthfully, doing the math in terms of the time investment doesn't make sense.
	Maybe I could see the angle of, look, I've known women and women have come on the show who say they've done this.
	Maybe you guys have just like if I'm on a two-hour date, I could make a lot more money in two hours than I would for like a 30-quid lunch.
	Word for you.
	I don't know.
	Some of these dudes be spending way too money on dinner dates, though, like $100, $200 on a first-date dinner date.
	Nick, do you have the other thing?
	I went on six dates a week and didn't have to buy groceries for two years.
	Now, this is life/slash dating on easy mode.
	She went on dates without any real romantic interest in the men and just got free food.
	I wonder if she'd like order extra so she'd like take a look at the money.
	Yeah, yeah, like meditated, yeah, leftovers.
	Can I get a macroweight box for those?
	She had that shit like down to a fucking well.
	Then you've got to be like mesh and these guys arranging it.
	Like it's a lot of admin.
	A lot of admin.
	There's a lot of work.
	She was probably lonely off of that.
	I don't think she'll just get ready just for dinner.
	I feel like dinner dates are so boring and overplayed too.
	Like they're just not very creative.
	Let's go.
	W's in the chat for Natalie.
	She doesn't like dinner dates.
	I hate seed oils and most restaurants.
	Seed oil.
	I don't like restaurants.
	You don't like seed oils.
	I hate seed oils.
	Do you have like an allergic allergy?
	They're industrially refined oils, so it's like canola oil, grapeseed oil, also rapeseed oil.
	Please don't ruin all restaurants for everyone.
	Yeah, I know, I know.
	It's a real downer.
	But they're just very interesting.
	It's Chipotle safe or safe oil.
	Yeah, what about In N Out?
	All the fast food chains are, except Sweet Green about two months ago, announced that they were switching to olive oil for most of their dressings and food.
	Yeah, olive oil is good.
	A date at Sweet Green is also very low energy.
	But I don't know.
	I feel like doing things is actually.
	What's your perfect date?
	The perfect date?
	I love walking, which is the world's most boring hobby.
	I love hiking.
	That's good.
	But then it's, I mean, at least you get like a good chat in.
	I don't know about hikes, though.
	I guess you can get run out of breakfast.
	I don't see a nice duck.
	Yeah, after there's meetings.
	Like a workout class.
	A public walk, good.
	Applates.
	Private.
	Aplotty walks.
	Yeah.
	Applates private.
	Have you done Thaibo first date?
	I don't know what that is.
	Maybe that's in the 90s thing.
	I don't know.
	It's like this workout, and then there's kicking.
	Don't you just feel like it's forced, though, when you're like sitting there across from something?
	It can be.
	What about a picnic?
	The thing with the dinner date, the thing with the dinner date is if it's First off, there's constant interruptions with the waiter coming and it's like, and then if you're trying to eat, I don't know about you, I don't like to talk when I'm eating.
	It's yeah, so you gotta like, and then they're they go ahead, like you're on a dinner date, right?
	And they ask you a question that'll take you five minutes to answer, or maybe that's excessive.
	Three minutes, and all the while your food's getting cold.
	Well, true, and it's a weird dance of everything.
	I'm trying to eat my food.
	Sorry, guys.
	Trying to ask the other person questions about themselves because everyone knows you're not just supposed to talk about yourself, but then no one really wants to talk about themselves because they don't want to come off as narcissistic.
	So it's just like ping pong questions about this is not even my necessarily personal experience.
	Like I really haven't gone on that many first dates with people I've randomly met, but just for my friends, it just doesn't seem like you can never fucking leave.
	Like then you have to go.
	Yeah.
	Or if you don't want to go home with them, then it's really awkward.
	Like it just, it creates more trouble than it's worth.
	I'd rather just go.
	Well, I certainly don't think.
	I mean, if the guy treats you to a dinner, that certainly doesn't mean that he's entitled to anything else.
	And if a guy is like, that's weird if a guy's like pushing that sort of way.
	But I think like meeting for a coffee is a bit more like a coffee.
	I don't drink alcohol, so that makes it also hard because I feel like meeting at a bar is a lot just more casual.
	But then it's like, I'm going to go to a bar and like drink.
	You could just get like a drink.
	That's what it seems like.
	No, no.
	No, I'm like, no, going to like a bar date, you know, like that's just like, oh, I would hate that.
	I love it.
	It's like, I love this.
	I literally love it so much.
	I'm just feeling sketchy.
	You could do like an upscale lounge where it's not like a bar where it's super loud, but like an upscale lounge, typically like.
	It's not like a dive bar.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, you could get like, you know, like a soda or, you know, juice or something.
	Or just go to like coffee, but I'm with you.
	I don't think dinner dates, maybe like a second or third date.
	But wait, okay, so we were getting into it about marriage.
	Oh, you, okay, you said you don't really, I remember.
	You said, well, if a guy was an attorney or a doctor or whatever, that wouldn't really matter all that much.
	But you said you also, like, when you get married and have kids, you want to stop working once you have kids, right?
	Yeah, so something that I'm attracted to when it comes to men is them wanting to grow, whether that's grow their business, grow up in a company, something like that.
	However, you don't have to be at the top to everybody come talk to me.
	I'm attracted to drive.
	That's what I'm attracted to.
	And then from there, let's say we get married in three years and then fourth year I have a kid, but he's not making enough money for me to be able to support him, for him to be able to support me at home.
	I do have enough stock to where I would be able to support him continuing to go work and then me staying at home.
	Wait, so you have enough saved to support your whole family, like your whole family, and then two to three kids for 18 years?
	Maybe not two years ago.
	Not working.
	I think you're saying subsidized to be able to stay at home.
	He's making money.
	I still have enough money to where I'm able to support his income and then my income combined.
	Okay.
	Where do you live again?
	Las Vegas.
	You're in Las Vegas.
	Okay.
	Well, I mean, and I forgot exactly what you said, but did you say you wouldn't care if he was like a high earner?
	No, I wouldn't.
	But I mean, if you want to stay at home, then you're going to have to have a guy who's capable of providing.
	However, you don't have to come to me already at the top.
	You can come to me at the bottom and I'm willing to.
	You just want an ambitious mind.
	Yes, exactly.
	Yeah, I like that.
	I honestly would rather go for the ambitious guy than someone who's already built up.
	Yeah.
	It's not clear to me if, hot take here, if women actually like purely ambitious men.
	I think women are attracted to men who have reaped the rewards of said ambition.
	But if he's ambitious and like not where he, like he works at McDonald's, but he's ambitious, I don't know if you're still going to take the bet on that guy.
	I did.
	I will.
	I'm not saying all women.
	I'm not saying all women, but I think it occurs to me that some women would rather wait at the finish line, pick the men who have already crossed the finish line, pick the winners instead of the maybe.
	Well, I didn't mind what the guy does as long as they have goals and ambitious and various.
	But if he's a SoundCloud rapper.
	Well, at least, you know, he's got a passion in something.
	He's going to make it.
	He's going to support his rap career, man.
	It's more like a realistic ambition.
	Being a SoundCloud rapper is not realistic.
	No, I quite lie.
	It's sort of like survivorship bias, though.
	How many people want to be actors or in the entertainment industry and never make it?
	But they're so ambitious and they go on.
	At least they try.
	That's, that's.
	Right, but that.
	That's unrealistic.
	But practically speaking, where does that leave you if you want to be like, for example, you want to stay at home and you want your manager?
	And you won't be able to stay at home.
	Well, you got to accomplish if he doesn't succeed specifically.
	I want to date somebody who's like, okay, yes, you know what?
	This is the position that I'm in right now.
	It might not be the best position possible.
	However, this is my goal and this is how I'm going to get there.
	And this is what I'm doing.
	It's very sexy.
	It's different.
	I feel like he says no, though.
	Yeah, Manny had no money when we got together.
	Like, I feel like you're sort of LARPing as a stay-at-home mom in the sense that I think a stay-at-home mom is something bigger and it's like a culture in a household where the man is providing for you.
	So then you have the luxury to stay home and do it.
	Like it's not merely just reduced to a financial thing.
	Like you stay at home because you financially can.
	It's like you stay at home because the guy is complimenting you.
	Like that's amazing that you can afford to do that for yourself.
	exactly that's why but then you're sort of like a sugar not a sugar mommy but if you're like paying this you know It just seems sort of like I would, I wouldn't want to stay home because I have the choice to.
	I would want to stay home because my husband is taking care of my family and I don't have to like secretly pay the bills on the side.
	Oh, 100%.
	I get that.
	And it's not going to be something that I'm going to be doing forever.
	And I'm going to make sure that that's something that's told.
	And there's certain things that men will do when they aren't making money that show that he has the capability to take care of you when he is making the money.
	It's an attitude.
	It's the way he talks.
	I don't think women care that much about ambition.
	I just want to see if they care.
	I really want to see that.
	I'm the most ambitious ambitious person in Santa Barbara.
	These Santa Barbara women are not like, oh, I'm like, I've already said I fucking see you.
	Maybe they want to get into Las Vegas.
	I feel like work ethic is maybe a better way.
	Because when I think ambition, I think like grifter, like crypto promoter.
	It doesn't necessarily connote someone who actually is working hard.
	Like you could be very ambitious if you want to be like the world's best OnlyFans creator.
	No offense.
	That's not necessarily the ambition that I would look up to.
	So I feel like, I don't know, not to put words in your mouth, but there's a little more like refinement there.
	Let me try to put it into a different perspective.
	Somebody who has a goal, it's a possible goal, it's a reachable goal, and then he also knows how he's going to achieve that goal.
	And it's not something like, oh my gosh, one day I'm going to be the next Travis Scott.
	And then he's like, you ask him, okay, how are you going to be Travis Scott?
	And he's like, well, I'm still going to make this music.
	Like, no, that's stupid.
	Tell me.
	Sit here and tell me, listen, I'm going to invest in this.
	I'm going to invest in this.
	This is how I'm going to get the money to invest in this or blah, blah, blah, blah.
	Things like that.
	Not necessarily someone who's working a dead-end job doesn't make sense.
	What you were saying, Ryan, I wanted to circle back to that real quick.
	I came, but when you were saying, like, you know, most women want to, you know, get a guy at the finish line and don't really want someone in the middle.
	You know, maybe for some people, like me personally, I feel like if you're with a guy, you know, like you were saying, and they have a reachable goal and stuff, and like you're with him and, you know, grinding with him until he reaches that goal.
	And then, you know, eventually, then, you know, he's at the top with you and you were there with him through the whole struggle.
	And that just shows like how much of a good woman you are.
	And I feel like you could prove yourself to him, you know, that you trust and believe in him.
	And, you know, you want him to be the leader and that he was able to reach those goals.
	I'm curious, though, for the women here at the table, where on the totem pole of like is ambition.
	Like, where is that number one thing you look for in a guy?
	Is his ambition?
	Is it his character?
	Is it his game?
	Is it his funny get along with?
	Oh, I thought you were about to say something else, but I'm big cock.
	Yes, definitely.
	No, I'm actually not a size queen.
	Yeah.
	We're in boys.
	Definitely.
	I'm actually a rose queen.
	I'm a little bit scared.
	I'm the reverse of a size queen.
	You've got a really big cock.
	What?
	I'm so confused.
	What?
	What?
	No, like.
	Size doesn't matter.
	No, oceans.
	Like, the ocean out of the ocean.
	I'm like the corresponding, like.
	Wait, watch me.
	Let me plug it in.
	Just BLM.
	Yo, hashtag Big Labia.
	So you like big labia.
	Large labia.
	I'm the lady.
	Oh, really?
	Okay, period.
	King.
	I almost wanted, like.
	I actually had mine chopped off.
	Wait, you had a labia plasty?
	Yeah, I did.
	Wait, are you fine?
	Are you doing this?
	I paid like five grand for it.
	Slash god.
	I did it about two years ago.
	Why?
	Hold on a minute.
	Because I didn't like my big labia.
	I didn't like Ryan.
	It wasn't cute.
	He is horrible.
	Now, honestly, I look like fucking Barbie.
	This is why I do what I do.
	So that women like Lily don't mutilate themselves.
	I did ask to keep it.
	Can I ask you why you did it?
	You didn't like for cosmetic reasons?
	Yeah, I just didn't like the look of it.
	I didn't feel sexy.
	I felt really insecure.
	And you know what?
	No one had actually said anything about it.
	I just felt really unscary myself.
	Damn, that's.
	So R.I.P. I did ask to keep it though.
	As in, like, they wouldn't let me keep it.
	They were like bodily.
	Disgusting.
	Keep it.
	Yeah.
	Why would you not?
	I could probably sell it, you know.
	I know a lot of girls that actually do that.
	I could have.
	I know about three that have done it so far.
	Who've had labia plasty?
	God damn, this is fucking funny.
	It wasn't cute, though.
	Awesome.
	I'll show you later.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Public service announcement.
	If there's any women who are considering mutilating themselves and getting a labia plasty for cosmetic reasons, please don't.
	Wait, why do you like it?
	Do you like to suck on it or something?
	Yay!
	Said no problem.
	Actually, I don't do that.
	What you don't?
	I don't.
	Whoa.
	I have not.
	Whoa, I'm going to retract my thing that I fancy you because you don't eat the same.
	I am not.
	Good, good.
	I want nothing to do with you.
	Good.
	Yeah, I haven't gone down on the girl since the Bush administration.
	Oh!
	What's the Bush administration?
	It's like 2000 to 2008.
	Is it in the Bush administration?
	So I think it was like 2007, 2008, the last time I went down on the girl.
	Why?
	Why?
	I did it a couple times.
	It just wasn't my thing.
	Look, do you expect to get pussy's great?
	Don't get me wrong.
	Like pussy, but just not my.
	I don't do that.
	No, but do you not like, do you not like making your partner?
	I won't do it.
	Making your partner like.
	Oh, I want.
	No, no, okay.
	Well, I remember we were talking about, well, women, there's the orgasm gap.
	I like, I want to make my girl climax before I do.
	Preferably.
	Shut out like a little vibrator.
	Well, I mean, there's ways.
	Depends on the girl.
	Yes, you can use your hands.
	You can use a toy.
	I'm open to using toys.
	You know, if needed.
	Sometimes it's not needed and you don't have to, but some women struggle without.
	So, you know, let's use.
	Fuck it.
	Technology, son.
	Makes my job easier.
	Why not?
	Donated $100.
	Brixon does not do that.
	He is properly terrified of dying from meeting a baby.
	Who's that famous actor?
	Is it Charlie Sheen's dad?
	Fuck, what's his name?
	Or is it who's one of these actors got throat cancer and they fuck off?
	There is a hypothesis.
	There's a hypothesis out there that HPV, well, we know it causes cervical cancer, right?
	So it's plausible that this also causes throat cancer.
	But when you get eating, you know, when you suck cock, if you do it really hard and deep throat it, like it actually bruises your throat.
	So really like that happens more.
	Using your esophagus.
	Yeah.
	Throat cancer.
	So really we're putting ourselves on the line.
	You can't really, like, I eat a lot of pussy.
	You can't.
	You can't really do that.
	There's no harm in eating pussy.
	You should eat pussy.
	Yeah.
	Makes your skin better.
	What about you, Dick?
	Michael Douglas.
	Wait, what's about Nick?
	This poor guy.
	Yes, Nick.
	He was just eating too much pussy and he got throat cancer.
	That's scary, you said.
	No, I don't believe it.
	He said he said that.
	Wait, can I ask Nick?
	Nick, do you eat pussy?
	I think she fancy pussy.
	She's moved on from Brian.
	Yeah.
	fuck that no I look listen Okay.
	Look.
	I got neck problems, okay?
	You're not that old.
	Jesus.
	Yeah, look, I got a fucking ice pack.
	Look at this shit.
	Maybe have a problem.
	I saw it when you do that.
	I was wondering what that was for.
	Boom.
	Got an ice pack, you know?
	I got neck problems.
	I'm just not a fan.
	Can I use the actor honestly?
	I've been sat on so much cut recently by pussy.
	Yeah, we'll get you some penicillin.
	How about that?
	But that's a tragedy.
	Did you actually get a labia plastic?
	I'll show you the before and after.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	It's so much cuter now.
	I heard it hurts really bad.
	I recover.
	I actually went out like clubbing the night I got it done.
	Because they got me on cap when I had it done.
	So I was like, let's fucking turn it off.
	Let's go out.
	Yeah, it wasn't painful, but I did have sex like a week after I had it done and the stitches came out.
	It was really painful.
	But I shouldn't have done that.
	Yeah, they did an Attorney Pussy for like a month.
	She shouldn't have done that, though.
	That's so sad, though.
	That's so depressing.
	Yo, genuinely, though, some women who have an Audi.
	That's a sweet message, though.
	No, some women who have an Audi.
	And look, I think they get it from both men and women, but maybe they had a boyfriend who made an insensitive comment.
	Maybe they've heard insensitive comment from the high school boys, whatever.
	You know, there's certain terms that can be thrown around that may make a woman feel self-conscious.
	Ladies.
	Like, punch does on your pussy.
	And there's also this fake news that if a woman does have an Audi, it means that she's had a lot of sexual partners.
	That's not at all.
	Not just loose, but like if you've had a lot of sexual partners, that it can cause it.
	No, that's not, that's not true.
	You can be a virgin and have an Audi.
	So, ladies, don't do it.
	Don't fucking do it.
	I'm a natural body supremacist.
	I'm not in favor of plastic surgery either.
	Okay, I don't want no fake titties, no BBL, no fake lips.
	I'd rather, you know, I'd rather no boobs than perfect fake titties.
	I prefer like a flat bum.
	Well, I haven't, yeah, English might say.
	I haven't had my bottom done, and I've got fake turtles.
	Oh, I'm not talking about you, just I'm saying, like, I would prefer to be a little bit more.
	He's still trying to fuck.
	Oh, okay.
	Yeah, checks out.
	I'd prefer a girl with like maybe a little, you know, sometimes girls got a little belly fat.
	They're thinking about getting the lipo.
	I don't, the lipo belly looks weird to me.
	Like hiding my stomach and stuff.
	Somebody know, like you said about the stomach, but no, like, that's what I'm like.
	I want lipo on my stomach.
	Have you seen like the fake apps?
	You can get like fake apps put in.
	Yeah, that's just weird.
	In any case, listen, ladies, if you're thinking about getting a labia plasty, don't do it.
	If you need, I'll talk you out of it.
	I'll talk you out of it.
	You got a large labyrinth.
	I'll talk you out of it.
	Yeah, just send him a photo and then it'll have a chat.
	I'm going to be a bit hyperbolic in this next statement.
	I only date women with large labia.
	How about that?
	I only date that.
	That's like top one criteria.
	Women have.
	There's women out there who are size queens.
	I know you said you're not a size queen.
	If women are allowed to have preferences like that, so too can us men.
	So I only date women with large labia.
	The bigger the better.
	Fuck.
	She left it.
	I'm just trying to put it back on.
	Yeah, throw it back on.
	I want to jump in.
	I think it's interesting.
	Two out of three of you, only thing Warren.
	Oh.
	Brixon's flannel donated $100.
	Denim Dana, calm down with the mic stand.
	Which won't impress Brixon.
	She do it.
	Is she refusing?
	He only love me is flannel.
	I live in the back of his Subaru.
	You don't have a Subaru?
	That's her.
	Speaking of which, somebody had a Subaru.
	We weren't talking about Subaru.
	I said how, so I'm from Vegas and how I put it on like a self-driving mode.
	Oh, we got fat boy.
	Please ask Natalie Winters about what?
	Her cunt.
	What the cities?
	No.
	I don't know what that is, but they want you.
	Okay, I think we'll skip over that one.
	I don't think I don't know.
	Fat boy does not work for War Room.
	Okay, fat boy.
	Okay.
	Coming back to me.
	Fatty boy.
	Wait, oh, go ahead.
	You do your quick thing with the Subaru.
	Yes, I was talking about how I drove my Subaru here.
	Well, not really drove it.
	I just put it in the self-driving mode and it just took off.
	And then you responded.
	Yeah, so you know how you get them Teslas?
	They're like really easily drivable.
	I actually fucked the driver while we were driving down the motorway in one of them.
	But it was daytime all blacked out.
	And honestly, some of the best sex I've ever had.
	That was a good idea.
	Did you know him?
	Beautiful.
	Yes.
	He wasn't like my drive or anything.
	No, I knew him.
	Oh, wait.
	Last thing on marriage.
	And then, Manny, I know you wanted to come in on something.
	Last thing on marriage, because I know we've moved on to a couple different topics here.
	I do think when it comes to marriage, right, again, religious, from the religious perspective, marriage, cool.
	The issue is, though, even if you're religious, when it comes to, let's say, your marriage doesn't work and one partner is suing for a breakup, suing for a divorce, they're not going to go to the church.
	They're going to go to the state.
	The state presides over their marriage, not the church or their priest or their biblical values.
	So when the woman is unhappy from the man's perspective, she's going to go to the state.
	She's not going to go to God.
	So She might, but if she's dead set on getting the divorce, and many people are, she's going to go to a divorce attorney.
	And also, well, let me just, if, even if your wife is not inclined to screw you over in a divorce, maybe she's a good person or godly or whatever, is her divorce attorney.
	Which, by the way, you'll probably have to pay for along with your own attorney.
	So I think.
	And the divorce attorney's incentive, the divorce attorney, is there to make money.
	So, again, it's sort of treacherous.
	It's a treacherous situation for men, especially men who make a good amount of money, to get married nowadays, especially with, you know, the current state of the legal system.
	And so, yeah.
	I was going to say, with the idea of, as a Christian, if there was something with Bec and I's marriage, we would bring it to God, and then we would bring it to our community, right?
	Our brothers and sisters in Christ, and then we would bring it to the church leader.
	So three levels added additionally before getting to that.
	Right.
	It is not, we live in a perfect world.
	We live in a fallen world.
	We are all sinful, and sinning means going against God.
	God is good, God is love, and evil is the absence of God.
	So when we go away from God, that's when we start to experience these things.
	So having that community around, having the body of Christ is a beautiful thing.
	By the way, if somebody's going, I can't do his program because he said he was, you know, a relationship with Jesus.
	The program, you do not need to be of any religious belief, anything like that.
	We made it that way, so it's open to anyone.
	So if anyone is wondering that, I just want to make sure they say.
	Okay.
	Here, I'm going to finally get into some of people's pre-show notes here.
	I was going to start with Lily, but I think she's gone off to the bathroom here.
	So first, let's start with Andrea.
	Andrea, you said you met some weird guys from Tinder before.
	Any notable stories you can share with us?
	So I met this one guy on Tinder and really cool looking guy.
	You know, he was like six foot nine, was in the military.
	He had a really nice house in Arcadia, if you guys know, yeah.
	So Arcadia!
	Yeah, I know in Phoenix in Arizona, but yeah, really even, really nice house, you know, and I was talking to him, but anyways, so his Tinder bio was like, I like to buy my girlfriend's volumptuous assets.
	So, you know, we were talking.
	He's like, yeah, I like to get them, you know, lip fillers, BBLs, Botox, breast implants, everything.
	And he's like, it's kind of like making my own customizable Barbie doll.
	Yes.
	Red flag.
	And I'm not making this up.
	This is like the weirdest, and I feel like the only weird story I could really tell.
	But anyways, you know, I get to his house and stuff, and he's just like telling me how he was dating this girl, but actually like she was transgender.
	So he, you know, paid for her surgery to everything.
	Yeah, paid for her surgery.
	Sorry.
	Wait, was it?
	Thank you.
	We good?
	Jesus Christ.
	My bad.
	Okay, no, they're good now.
	They're titty.
	Okay.
	Sorry.
	Did you guys see that?
	No.
	No, I got it just in time.
	Okay, okay, thank you.
	That was such a shot, too.
	I wear covers.
	Anyways, yeah, so fucking.
	And, you know, we're like talking and stuff, and he was just like getting really upset about that.
	And, you know, it was really weird.
	Like, we didn't hook up or anything.
	Then I left.
	And then, you know, we're texting and stuff.
	And he was calling me like doll and asking me, you know, like how long I've been into like the whole Barbie look.
	Because I used to wear like a bunch of makeup and like, you know, stuff like that.
	And then it just got weirder.
	He was like telling me, oh, is it okay?
	like if I can tell you what to dress, what to eat, what you can do every day, blah, blah, blah.
	And yeah, it was just like really odd.
	And then he was like sending me gifts of like a 3P, two in the pussy and one in the ass.
	Yeah.
	He said he wanted to do that.
	Yeah, wait, so hold on.
	You said he was dating a woman that wanted to become a man or a man that wanted to become a woman.
	Yeah, they were already, yeah.
	Yeah, there was a man who wanted to become a woman.
	And he was dating the man.
	Yeah, and then he's like into gay guys too.
	So he would tell me that he wanted me to have a gay guy have sex with me, missionary, and then he has sex with the gay guy, Annalee.
	Wow.
	Like human centipede.
	Kind of.
	Yeah, like in his American horror story, there's a scene in like the election one where she's laying down, the guy's doing it, and oh, he's behind the guy while he's fucking the girl.
	And it's kind of like a whole like weird, it's like a weird train.
	He needs him annually, then he calls the program.
	And then it's like, well, if he's gay, why would he have sex with me, a woman?
	He's bisexual.
	Yeah.
	He said he wanted a gay guy to fuck me.
	And then he fucks a gay guy.
	So I'm like, how is that even possible?
	Yes.
	Like, Tinder is a dark place.
	And then just to kind of like, I don't know.
	And that's pretty much it.
	Well, I'll at least address, so he had a desire.
	Was he like kind of a well-off, wealthy guy?
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	So he wanted to pay for you.
	And then it sounded like his other people that he was dating pay for various plastic surgeries.
	You said lip filler, breast implants, BBL, perhaps lipo too?
	Yeah, yeah, all of it.
	He said he wanted, he views women as that he's dating as his own customizable Barbie doll.
	Yes.
	It's such like any girls here at the table who are watching, if your significant other, your boyfriend, whatever, is pushing on you to get any plastic surgery, I think that's a major, major red flag.
	Major red flag.
	Like, literally just wants to control and just make me his Barbie doll.
	And I was just like, yeah, no.
	After that, I ghosted him because it's like, it's like maybe some girls want all that, but eventually you're going to hate your life and just being controlled like a puppet on a string.
	Yes.
	It was crazy.
	He was a very handsome man, and it's like...
	He's tall.
	Yeah.
	Yes.
	Never in my life have I seen a man that tall.
	And he was handsome?
	Yes.
	I'm just like, yes.
	We should get this guy on the show.
	What the fuck?
	Yeah.
	So he was like a bisexual.
	Drop his Tinder.
	He was a bisexual, had like a plastic surgery fetish kind of almost.
	Yes, and he sent me pictures of his like ex-girlfriends and just like from the nose down, just very, you know.
	Dude, this guy is a fucking menace.
	Like, it's one thing, like, he can probably actually get the women to do this because, bro, he's 6'9.
	You say he's good looking and he's wealthy.
	This guy's a fucking menace.
	Destroying.
	Destroying women, honestly.
	But go ahead, Natalie.
	Okay, so to me, it sounds like this guy obviously has some like perverted sex stuff going on, which I think you would probably attest.
	I'm sure there's some level of like weird porn addiction going on there that leads you down that rabbit hole.
	And it sounds like you were basically offended about him more or less treating women like objects and trying to dictate what they could or couldn't do with their bodies all in exchange for money.
	So how is that really any different?
	That's like you guys are like, he's like literally controlling their life though.
	Like he's telling me what I can eat, how I can dress, what I can do, who I can talk to.
	He wants to make me look a certain way.
	And it's like, OnlyFans, I can look how I want to.
	And I look how I do.
	And they love it.
	You know, everybody has a type.
	And, you know, and I get what you're trying to say.
	I really do.
	But I mean, there is a pretty good thing.
	I agree.
	Varies in degrees, but don't you think that OnlyFans as a platform is maybe kind of laying the groundwork for people like that to go down?
	You don't think there's any correlation?
	Not even OnlyFans, but just porn in general.
	Well, yeah, because actually his ex-girlfriend was a porn star that he was paying for all the surgeries and stuff.
	So, I mean, I get what you're saying and stuff, you know, and it's always going to be, you know, sometimes, you know, I do feel bad for the guys and stuff, you know, who are buying it.
	And, you know, and I just can we get this guy on the show?
	Yeah, we need to find him.
	You don't, you don't, I mean, I don't know.
	I don't know.
	I can't.
	I could probably try to look through my contacts, but I don't even know if I remember his name.
	I think I actually screenshotted.
	I screenshotted his Tinder profile.
	Oh, you knew him.
	I think I did.
	Yes, I met him in real life.
	No, we never, we met one time, and he was, yeah, and it was off the bat.
	He was trying to.
	He was just telling me what he wants and what he expects and stuff.
	Why did you meet with him?
	Well, I didn't know until we talked in person.
	Yeah.
	Did he pretend to be normal at first?
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	Is that his way of flattening?
	You, I don't know.
	Okay, something.
	I don't know.
	Butchered it.
	Wait, okay, hold on.
	So, okay, there's this crazy dude.
	Hold on.
	Let's see what else from you.
	You've been ghosted a bunch.
	How many times have you been ghosted?
	You mentioned that in your pre-show notes.
	Yeah, literally, like every time, like, you know, I go on a date with somebody or, you know, even just like talking.
	And then that's what, like, we were kind of talking about that earlier.
	You know, you like, you talk to somebody, and then they just like what you look like.
	Like, they don't even want to meet up with a woman in real life.
	Like, if they can convince you to give them nudes for free, you know, and I'm like, okay, well, you know, we might hook up and stuff.
	So, you know, I'll show them what I look like.
	They don't even want to hook up.
	They just want to see what you look like, like, for free, you know?
	Like, and a lot of like guys, like, with the addiction and stuff, I feel like they don't really know how to like talk to a woman in real life.
	Don't you think making OnlyFans content makes it more likely for guys to not feel invested in a relationship?
	Because it's easier for them to ghost you because they can just go to OnlyFans and see those pictures.
	They don't have to be aware of that.
	Yes, exactly.
	And they don't know how to talk to women IRL.
	I got it.
	I have a hypothesis here.
	Could it be that prior to seeing the nude photographs that you sent them, perhaps they were inclined to meet up with you?
	After seeing the nude photographs, maybe they had a change of heart.
	Could that be that?
	That's also probably another reason.
	But it's like, it's not even like, you know, like before sending pics and stuff because like, and I would also just like, you know, meet up and we would go on dates.
	And, you know, I would see a guy for a while and then just randomly like just get ghosted.
	So yeah, you know, it could be, you know, it's okay because one day I'll meet a man.
	One day I'm going to meet a man who loved me for me.
	So he's going to love me for me.
	So, you know, I may not be everyone's type, but I'm somebody's type and he out there.
	So I'm just, and I've thought about it too, and it probably is.
	You know, I'm insecure about how I look.
	You know, they're probably like, oh, well, she's probably fucking fat, so don't want to be with me.
	I get it.
	I'm not going to sit here and lie, you know?
	Just a hypothesis.
	I mean, I don't know.
	That's just, I'm, you know, brainstorming here.
	You also said online dating is weird.
	I think guys who use it aren't real men because they can't just pull a girl in real life.
	Yeah, and that's like what I was saying.
	You know, like the all-on-line stuff, it's everybody, not everybody, but a lot of men are used to just being online and getting that quick satisfaction, you know, real quick, you know?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	And then they just like, and then, yeah, you know, and like they don't want to, you know, like put in the word, get to know somebody or like, you know, like, and it's like being shy too.
	You know, you go somewhere and you're like, man, I should have talked to her.
	But then you go and like, say you know her on Facebook, like, oh, I saw you at that party.
	I got something for this for the whole panel.
	So going around the table, do you think it's easy to attract a woman as a man?
	Yeah.
	You know, if you got risk.
	Do you think I need like a woman as a man?
	Do you think it's easy to attract a woman as a man?
	If you're tall.
	Oh, yeah.
	From a personal experience, yeah.
	I found it all right.
	You think so?
	Okay.
	You think it's easy?
	You think it's easy to attract because you're taking away.
	Well, you mean if you're any woman, oh, yeah.
	Okay, this question is prefaced by your statement.
	You said guys who use dating apps, who meet women online, aren't real men because they can't get women in real life, aka like approaching women in public.
	So the question is, do you think it's easy to attract a woman as a man?
	Go ahead.
	Oh, me?
	Yeah.
	I don't think so.
	I think it's very difficult for a man to approach a woman.
	I feel like they have to be very confident in themselves.
	What about you?
	I agree.
	No.
	I don't think it's easy.
	I think with the onset of like Me Too culture, the feminism stuff, I think there's a lot more negative ramifications if you hit on women.
	Very good point.
	What do you think?
	I think that they get kind of scared, so they like try to stray away from that as to why they use dating apps.
	Like it's hard for like some guys who go up to a girl because like, oh, like she's so pretty, like she's probably going to reject me.
	Well, when in reality, she might be like, okay, I'm down.
	Like, let's go on a date.
	Like, here's my number.
	But they just need to face their fears.
	Okay.
	Your thoughts?
	I think it depends on what type of girl you're going after.
	Probably.
	Okay.
	All right.
	So I want to actually do an experiment here once Madison comes back.
	So those of you who said it's easy to attract a woman as a man, what we're going to do is we're going to have you pretend to be men.
	And you guys are going to hit on Madison here.
	I actually think I got the question mixed up.
	I thought you meant, is it easy to attract guys as a girl?
	No, no, no.
	The question is, is it easy to attract a woman as a man?
	I got it a little bit mixed up.
	But Madison's very pretty.
	And so, like, I can imagine she gets a lot of guys approach her.
	And so, like...
	But is it...
	But the role play here would be you're pretending to be a man.
	Here, we'll do it with you since it was kind of your ultimate.
	Hit on her.
	So you're going to pretend to be a man and you're going to hit on Madison.
	You're going to fit today, mate.
	Oh, that's good.
	Actually, we'll have you do it too.
	Here, Madison, sit here.
	I'm going to referee from behind the scenes.
	So, go ahead, guys.
	Oh, you're fucking langers, mate.
	Look at the buttons on that thing.
	It's all English.
	Can I sit on your hat?
	Can I sit on your head?
	I feel like you guys should actually try, though.
	Try.
	Like, be in the position of a man.
	And what would you say to me?
	I feel like I see you somewhere.
	You look so familiar.
	Your eyes are just so gorgeous and that highlighter on your cute little nose.
	I'm trying to get to know you.
	You're so cute.
	You don't know me.
	Would you like be attracted to a guy if he came up to you and said that?
	Maybe.
	I think so.
	I think it's definitely better than do the role play.
	I'm going to actually respond how I would respond.
	You're at Trader Joe's.
	What's Trader Joe's?
	Is it an ice restaurant or a street store?
	Okay.
	Oh my gosh, are you getting broccoli as well?
	Yeah.
	Full call.
	Next.
	I already know why.
	You guys are.
	If I was a girl and to hit on a girl, I'd just be like, call them pretty and be like, are you into girls?
	And be like, hi.
	Here, your goal is to try to get her on it.
	So actually try to move the interaction forward.
	Try to get her on a date.
	Okay.
	I'm trying to think what a guy would say to me.
	The thing is, if he was just really fit, I'd be like, yeah, take me on a date.
	Fine.
	You could also think about something a guy has said to you that you've been like, oh.
	We're helping her too much.
	Go ahead.
	Okay, yeah, yeah, sorry.
	Oh, your hair's so nice.
	Thank you.
	No, it's really pretty.
	I like how long it is.
	Thank you.
	My sister has long hair like that.
	I'm not a hit on girl.
	I'm not a girl.
	Okay, I hit her.
	I'll hit on her.
	You're going to hit her?
	I already did.
	Okay, I hit her in here.
	Oh, so you're actually waiting.
	You want to do it?
	I already went.
	Yours was pretty good.
	Thank you.
	Here, come on, bring it back.
	We'll do you and then we'll do her.
	Yeah.
	What?
	All right.
	Damn, girl, your skin looks so soft.
	If someone says you're so beautiful, I'm really trying to get to know you.
	Oh, thank you.
	I'm really trying to get to know you.
	If you just give me a chance, I really could prove to you I could be the man you want.
	We could build something.
	Just get to know me.
	I'm okay.
	Where you want to go?
	I did it.
	I get it, girl.
	I respect it.
	I respect it.
	Have a good day, Ma.
	Thank you, you too.
	Okay.
	Can I just like say something without reminding me of?
	You know those guys that like sell chocolate outside of Target?
	And they'll like try to hit on you.
	Do you want to get serious?
	Seriously, you try to shoot your shot.
	Okay.
	That one is serious.
	Hey, what's your name?
	Madison.
	Are you from around here?
	Yeah.
	Oh, cool.
	I just moved here.
	Maybe you can show me around sometime.
	You think I could get your number?
	Yeah, sure.
	I would say that was the best out of like all of them.
	Still very good.
	If I'm fine and I got money, then she'll say yes.
	Yeah, I think it's more just like if you look at someone and like on the attractive and they sound normal.
	Maybe not sound creepy.
	I have to be like, hey, mom.
	Yeah, well.
	I know you like it.
	I want to say, I'm great, mom.
	I don't think I've ever had a guy talk to me like that.
	Actually, wait, no.
	Yeah, they don't talk about that in England.
	They're more like, fucking out, you're fucking lang.
	Let me get your number, G. That's if they say hole.
	Did you say G?
	What does G mean?
	G, like.
	Girl, girl, or just like, you're my G, like you're my maiden.
	Oh, my wife over here.
	Like, my mate, my friend.
	Like, you know, you call like anyone who's like, oh, that's my G. I'm a bestie.
	So, like, they'd just be like, oh, you're Buddhner Lenga's.
	Fucking out.
	Look at the rack on that.
	I mean, how did you hit on your wife?
	Yes.
	Nick and I were set up on a blind date.
	We went to top golf, and you think it'd be good, but it'd be one person who's watching us on our first date the whole time.
	My sister and her husband, they set us up.
	So I get it.
	So then we come to find that we're pretty much next-door neighbors, and our first date, or some of them, were just going to the grocery stores, speaking of Trader Joe's.
	It's cool because you see, what does this person shop like?
	You know, just having casual conversation, what you getting there, okay, you know, and just kind of living life with each other a little bit, seeing what it's like.
	So it was nice.
	I was watching behind the scenes.
	You guys all failed.
	Like, I'm sorry.
	I'm not a guy.
	How did I fail?
	But you had a very strong opinion because you said you think guys who use dating apps to meet women aren't real men and that they can't get women in real life.
	But you just demonstrated your quote-unquote riz.
	And that shit was.
	Whack.
	I don't risk.
	I don't risk men.
	We're not used to.
	Like, we're used to guys.
	Okay, do you think, for example, men should put in more effort when it comes to dating?
	Do you think men don't put in enough effort when it comes to dating?
	I think they do.
	Oh.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	They do.
	Okay.
	I think most of them are scared.
	I don't think they try.
	But it's like you have these high expectations of men to like, oh, we should go approach.
	But like, don't fuck that up.
	You fucked it up.
	I tried.
	I know.
	I think if you're really good looking, though, you can say that more or less.
	Like, let's see what.
	Can we all agree it's scary to talk to you know a girl if you're a guy?
	Oh how's it done?
	I've got guys numbers before and that's pretty easy, but I think it's a little bit different.
	It's interesting.
	One of the things we talk about porn, but people who watch porn, they're watching it and they're like, oh, you know, she's just into anything I want.
	She's going to change her body.
	She's going to do any position I want, the human centipede, whatever it may be.
	And then they get out there, they say, hey, what's up?
	Oh, yo, wa-bang you.
	Sorry, I was trying to half-go English accent, not switch halfway.
	But then they get rejected.
	They run back to porn.
	Then they try one more time, then they run back, run back, and soon they've just gone down this rabbit hole of just, I can have any woman any way I want, anytime I want.
	And they're seeing I can have it anytime I want.
	They're being fed that, but then they're getting ED, which is something that I struggled with a ton very early on after watching porn.
	And it's like, hey, how you doing?
	It's like, she wants to move things for you.
	Like, oh, I don't know.
	So you're in this weird complex of, yeah, I'm this huge lady's ma'am, but I also doesn't work.
	And you're freaking out and you're thinking she wants to be slapped around in the bedroom because that's what I've seen online.
	And don't do that.
	This is a crazy one.
	90, what was it, 96% of aggression against women is received positively in porn.
	Or neutrally.
	Or neutrally.
	And so it's like, whoa.
	Yeah.
	I went to the AVN's, like, a porn convention.
	All the guys there.
	Sorry, what?
	Wait, all the guys.
	All the guys there are super like aggressive.
	Super correct.
	No, no, no, no, quite quiet, usually.
	Quite like introverted, a very like nervous to speak to you.
	Yeah.
	Can I speak to something, PG-13?
	Sure.
	When you're watching OnlyFans, when you're watching porn, they wish that they were there and they wish that you were theirs, right?
	And they're sitting in adult word, the cuck position, right?
	They're sitting in the side of the room watching something happening and they're sitting there and they're feeling, I should be a real man being with that woman.
	And I should be, and she wants it, but then they're getting ED thrown on top of it.
	And then you're at the porn convention, the sex convention, and they're going, it's like, that's your shot if you're going for that, you know?
	And they're so scared.
	And so it is one of those things where even people come up to us.
	It's like, should teenagers not do that?
	And it's like, yeah, we should teach those kids how to talk to girls in high school.
	So that way they become adults who know how to talk to girls instead of just pressing a button.
	And their body can literally handle it if they have a wet dream, right?
	It's like it's built into the system if they really need it to.
	But, you know, sometimes people say, well, if a kid is 60 days and he's, you know, he's like, got to get off.
	Well, that doesn't happen because what happens is, well, it's kind of soft when he's getting going.
	And then he starts having some thoughts.
	And then he starts thinking about, well, maybe I should watch some porn.
	He watches porn and it just teaches him, reinforces it, reinforces.
	Is it bad for you to want not to wank, though?
	Well, I think you should be using that energy positively in a different direction.
	So, like we were talking about, learning how to speak to girls, because that is driving you to, I want to have sex with this person.
	I want to, so they need to think I'm a normal person, not, you know, not no offense, but just I like your skin, you look like my sister, you know, a little bit, you know, it's like they need to learn how to talk to them, right?
	And so, if they're scared and they never do and they never learn it, and then also just using that energy to just build skills, especially at that young age.
	And so, Becca and I, we were lucky.
	You know, we were pretty young when we got married.
	We were pretty young when we met each other.
	How old were we?
	22, 24?
	22 when we met.
	20 when we met?
	22?
	So, yeah.
	I recently did like a porn scene where the whole scenario was he hasn't had sex in like six months, and I was like, Are you not going to explode?
	Like, is that not really bad for you?
	And then, obviously, we got into the funny though.
	I thought it was really bad for you, not to wank.
	Yeah, like blue balls.
	Is blue balls real?
	The body's just going to take care of it.
	You're going to be dreaming, you're going to be thinking about it.
	And really, if it really is that much, you don't have to.
	I really it's honestly at that young age, it's healthy because it builds certain like emotions or it, what's the word hormones.
	So, it releases certain hormones and things like that.
	However, it's healthy in moderation.
	When you do it continuously, that's when it then becomes unhealthy.
	Word, okay, cool.
	Wait, what about you said something about oh, there's something about AVN and like something about the there's men violence in the porn or something?
	No, they're not violent, but there's this uptick in like violence in adult content.
	And also, I found in relationships, I don't know what happened in like 2014.
	All of a sudden, y'all wanted to get started get choked.
	I don't know what happened.
	Yeah, 50 Shades Tumblr.
	50 Shades of Grave Right.
	It was 50 Shades of 50 Shades of Grey.
	I never had a girl ask me to choke her, and then all of a sudden it was like over.
	It was an epidemic.
	It was just a switch.
	Girls, all of a sudden, wanted to be choked.
	I'm like, It kind of feels good, Doc.
	I'm not gonna lie.
	There is a direct correlation between people who read 50 Shades of Grey and they are in, they are much more likely to be in an abusive relationship.
	Oh, I don't know.
	Are we saying that there's innately where I got bloodshot from getting choked too hard?
	Yeah, I was like, girl, what happened to your fucking eye?
	And she was like, Oh, we did it too hard.
	I'm like, what?
	But, like, why?
	Why?
	It does interest me.
	Like, so 50 Shades of Gray was like one of the best-selling books for, is it of all time?
	I don't even know.
	The movie was insanely successful.
	It occurs to me that a lot of women seem to be attracted to these sort of like Machiavellian dark triad characters.
	And it's just something to think about.
	I don't know what's going on there.
	I think a lot of women have bought into the idea that they are objects.
	You know, we have, there was a study recently done where 91% of men watch porn on a regular basis and 60% of women.
	So this is not just a man's issue.
	It's not just men watching porn.
	But so much of porn, we say 88% has aggression against women in it.
	Well, when women are watching that, what is that teaching you?
	Is it okay for someone to be aggressive to their partner in real life?
	Are we promoting that?
	Is domestic violence a good thing?
	No, absolutely not.
	But in the bedroom, when a couple connects on a different level, and obviously in moderation, you're not going to be choked out, obviously, but it's like a little.
	Moderately slapping them.
	No, not like kind of a little bit of a tug or a little bit like kind of it's like spices things up, not like beat the shit out of me.
	The thing that we're talking about is the wing.
	And this is how crazy it is: 88% of porn scenes contained violent aggression, slapping, choking, hitting, spitting.
	When I read that stat initially, I said, what violence?
	What violence is important?
	I don't even understand because I had been watching it for so long.
	And you go, that's just normal sex that was going on.
	And how crazy is that?
	Just hearing that.
	But then when I stopped watching porn, what was amazing is not that it was 50 Shades of Gray in the bedroom, but it was more about power, getting off all these different things.
	Our whole routine, if you will, completely changes about love, connection, and intimacy.
	It was just a beautiful thing just getting to experience that with Becca for the first time.
	And we were three, four years into our marriage.
	And it's like, oh, this is what it's supposed to be like.
	This is awesome right here.
	And in college, I was one of those people who read 50 Shades of Gray.
	And I was like, you know, I can see why people were wanting that because it's like, because it's like, I'm viewing, I'm, you're making it this sexual thing to be treated like an object.
	Call it whatever you want, but you are making it a sexual thing.
	So then you seek that out.
	And I did seek that out of like, hey, you know, choke me or do these different things.
	And then I was like, gosh, why do I feel like crap after this?
	I feel like I'm not being respected.
	Because I think we're designed to want someone who caresses and cuddles and kisses us tenderly and not slaps us and comes on your face.
	You could get the cuddle after.
	Some women do get after care.
	Yeah.
	You said that you had lots of icks that men give you.
	We'll ask the whole table on this.
	What's your list of icks?
	Okay, let's see.
	Bad breath, a man with too many bad days.
	Bad days.
	Too many bad days.
	Yeah, you know, doesn't respect his mom.
	Doesn't clean his room.
	Greasy.
	Smells bad.
	Hmm, what else?
	I'm going to draw a blank here.
	Smells bad, greasy.
	Yeah, you know, just, yeah, you know, a man like who doesn't work or somebody who like, I don't know, just stuff like that.
	That's pretty much it.
	Yeah, I'm kind of like drawing a blank here.
	Any other icks?
	You had a list.
	You had a list.
	Yeah, and I'm like drawing a blank.
	That's pretty much it.
	Okay, well, anybody else that you have itches?
	I actually don't believe in icks.
	Like, I think if you love someone enough, like, you don't get the ick.
	That is just like turn off.
	Yeah.
	A lazy man.
	A lazy man for sure is an ick.
	Immaturity.
	Immaturity, okay.
	What about you?
	I think when I lose respect for someone, that's when I get the ick.
	She gets the ick.
	Okay, all right.
	What about you?
	Any icks?
	I think being mature, immature.
	Can I have you tilt your mic down a little bit?
	Anything else?
	Yep.
	No, that's it.
	Becca, what about you?
	Any icks?
	Someone who's not willing to have a vulnerable conversation.
	Yeah, period.
	I would give the ick in that situation.
	I thought icks were supposed to be like weird things that you just got like turned off and you get the ick.
	Like you can't look them up.
	She felt on wrong.
	Yeah, these are just like dudes who like anime.
	See their butt crack when you get out of the car.
	Yes.
	Dude, like anime, what's going on there?
	What's going on with that?
	It's just, I don't know.
	It's just the voices of the anime, like anime characters.
	I'm so confused.
	Yeah, you know, shit like, that's what we're talking about when you're talking like, yeah, like, I don't want to hear that shit.
	Do you understand what's going on?
	Because perhaps like you view like anime as sort of like a nerd alert.
	It's kind of maybe a little bit of a drink.
	That's so childlike.
	Little like maybe you're too old to be watching cartoons type of thing.
	And if you play video games too much and you ain't getting paid for it, turn off.
	Okay.
	You're getting mad at the game.
	Turn off if the guys play video games.
	You know what I would occur to you?
	Too much.
	Just too much.
	I think a lot of women.
	Well, actually, just going around the table.
	Do you guys have an issue with a guy who plays video games going around the table?
	No.
	I would play video games with you, honestly.
	What about you?
	Video games is that an issue.
	I guess it's a pound.
	Excessively.
	No, it's not like taking it all time.
	I'm not going to play a game two.
	That's the metaverse.
	Very anti-transhumanism and all that stuff.
	Okay.
	All right.
	And moderation is fine.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	If you play more than an hour, then that's it.
	More than an hour, Dealbreaker.
	What about you?
	Yeah, moderation.
	Moderation.
	Okay.
	What if it's like a super nerdy game, though?
	Like he's playing Hearthstone or like Heavenly.
	Well, what's that one?
	I love the Dungeons and Dragons.
	Once he plays World of Warcraft, right?
	Let's say he's got like a level 60.
	Is this an option?
	You're talking about your ass.
	Like, here's the thing, right?
	No, I think this is a theme music or something like that.
	No, you know, like, what if he's playing, you know, currently World of Warcraft, it's season of discovery and it's phase two.
	They just launched phase two a couple days ago.
	I don't play video games anymore, but I watch Twitch streams or whatever.
	And, you know, it's like season of discovery, right?
	So right now, the level cap is 40, and people got like multiple alts and shit.
	There's Nomer Agon and shit.
	Like, you know, they got all the new runes, right?
	So people are out there collecting all these new runes that just released phase.
	So you got to play like seven hours if you want to.
	Speak in a whole different language.
	No, but if you, like, they released it, they released phase two of season of discovery of World of Warcraft, like, I think it was on the 8th.
	So people are grinding.
	People are playing like 12 hours in a row.
	So, like, but you shouldn't, like, disqualify a guy just because he's playing like 10 hours a day because he's trying to play, he's trying to raid Nomer.
	He's trying to raid.
	You know, then I can't.
	He's trying to raid Nomer.
	He needs to be making money off World of Warcraft if he's playing for 10 hours a day.
	He's trying to play Nomer Agon.
	Like, he's trying to get to Nomer Agon.
	He's trying to raid.
	He's got multiple fucking alts.
	He's got, like, he's leveling four characters to level 40.
	He's got a rogue, a druid.
	He's got a warlock.
	He's got a fucking mage.
	And also, you know, look, let's talk classic, classic.
	Forget these fucking season of discoveries.
	If you're playing classic, that's a weight hardcore investment.
	You're going to have four level 60s.
	Me personally, back in the day when I played, I had four 60s.
	You know, this is just a crazy thing.
	Did you sell your World of Warcraft account?
	Probably not.
	$538 donated $200.
	Thank you, Bonus.
	This is why I love Brain.
	The farthest he runs is Hearthstone.
	Dragonflight is the bomb.
	I haven't played Hearthstone in.
	I was a legend in Hearthstone, okay?
	If that was an option, that was a pretty good reading.
	I haven't played Hearthstone since like 2019.
	I quit video games in 2020.
	Haven't really played.
	I played Fall Guy for like Fall Guys for like 10 hours or something, but yeah, I quit.
	I quit video games.
	Wait, Nick, pull up my fucking.
	Wait, I'm not yelling at you.
	I'm just, I'm really passionate about Hearthstone.
	If you go into the Dropbox folder, Nick, there's my Hearthstone.
	Where is it?
	Hold on.
	I'm trying to see.
	It's in the first Dropbox folder.
	It's called the Hearthstone screenshot.
	If you can pull that up, just so I can flex on these fucking noobs.
	Like, right now, I'm just AOE.
	Like, this is...
	Bro, this is like a...
	1, 2, 3, 4, 5.
	Bro, this is like a 1v7.
	I'm fucking 1v7.
	I'm like a mage, like AoE farming.
	It's like Arcane Explosion, fucking Frost Nova.
	We're gonna do cone of cold and a fucking flame strike on cooldown.
	Gonna cold snap that shit.
	Ice Nova again, fucking arcane explosion, arcane explosion.
	Throw out a fucking another cone of cold and fucking flame strike.
	You guys are done.
	I'm AoE farming you.
	Fucking AoE farming you already.
	I don't know what this means.
	Wait, Nick, pull up my Hearthstone shit, Nick.
	You got it?
	You all talk in a different language.
	Zoom that shit in.
	Zoom that shit in.
	This is me.
	This is me.
	Look at that.
	Ranked.
	And I hit a higher rank than that.
	I was like ranked 33 in the world.
	Look at those wins.
	Zoo Warlock, fucking 60, 1,623 wins, son.
	That's some gangster shit.
	Wow.
	Come at me, bro.
	Look at these noobs.
	They probably.
	You listen.
	Bye.
	Man, Brian.
	That's what's up.
	Did he get paid?
	No, that was for.
	That was for passion.
	If it makes you happy, I see how happy it makes you happy.
	Would it give you a boner?
	I'd let him do it then.
	If it makes you that happy, I'll tell you this.
	When I played Hearthstone, I would get so fucking tilted playing that.
	I don't know if you know what tilted is.
	I would get so tilted.
	Sometimes I get nick-nosed.
	I get tilted.
	Is this what he's fucking?
	Tilted is a gamer term for getting frustrated.
	So, like, tilted, you know, I think it actually originates from people who used to play, you know, pinball machines.
	If you get frustrated with a pinball machine, you'd fucking like tilt it.
	So tilted in video game, you get like the you're just losing a bunch of games or something.
	But you would never get like that excited that you would get a bonus.
	No, I would, it would ruin my day if I was like, would lose, lose consecutive games in a row.
	This is why I had to quit video games because I'm not like the type of guy I can't play an hour.
	I got to fucking grind village.
	You'd have a bad day.
	Dude, I would be, if I didn't play, I'm not even kidding.
	If I did not play World of Warcraft, I would be a fucking billionaire right now.
	I kid you fucking not.
	Maybe not.
	Maybe not a billionaire.
	See, it takes up a lot of time.
	I will tell you.
	I'm not an addiction.
	I will tell you.
	They were addictive.
	If anybody, Hearthstone is kind of a niche game.
	Hearthstone actually made me smarter.
	I think video games can have an application because Hearthstone, you gotta like, that's some like big brain shit.
	You gotta be thinking like it's almost like chess, son.
	And it did actually like make me.
	It was helpful.
	It helped.
	Same with World of Warcraft.
	It helped with my organization time management.
	Because like, hold on, let me fucking.
	If you're playing World of Warcraft, right?
	Like, I'm gonna maximize my time.
	Like, you're gonna min-max and shit.
	So here's what you're gonna do, right?
	Like, you're gonna wanna make sure, like, if you're hopping on that flight path, that like you're taking the most optimum route.
	Like, if you're leveling, you're not gonna like want to level slowly.
	So you're gonna make sure you get the right quests, and you're just gonna make sure that if you're gonna go to the city, like you do it at the right time.
	But fucking, if I'm going to Orgamar, bro, I'm getting shit done in Orgamar, bro.
	I'm fucking turning in quests.
	I'm training.
	I'm doing all this shit, you know?
	I love a good side quest.
	Yeah.
	Love a good side quest.
	Bro, but like, honestly, the thing I love about doing this podcast is like, I'm literally AoE farming twice a week.
	I'm fucking AoE farming, AoE farming clips.
	I'm like a mage.
	Again, Cone of Cold, Flamestrike, fucking Ice Nova, Arcane Explosion son.
	See and you turn something that you can profit off of.
	You know, and it like, you know, it made you organized.
	It's beautiful.
	It's good.
	It's a beautiful thing.
	Okay.
	I'm proud of you.
	Okay.
	Good talk.
	I don't.
	I'm done with video games, but I still never again.
	Have you sold your old video game addiction?
	I can still nerd out like how I just did her.
	Was a lot.
	I would definitely oh sorry, I would definitely watch you if you were to play like on stream and on Twitch.
	You seem very passionate about it and I would like once cheer you once.
	I actually I'm gonna get Madison to start playing video games like, are you sure she's gonna start streaming?
	And then I I've considered just sometimes, this is a nice, she got your what, Coles?
	Yes, Madison is my slave.
	How did you know?
	No, I've considered sometimes doing the show.
	I'm like, bro, I just want to play World of Warcraft.
	Fuck this shit.
	I'm out.
	Because sometimes, bro, we get some characters on this shit.
	Have like a live stream where people come and just play World of Warcraft.
	Oh, I've considered so many times after like a just like a grueling show.
	I'm like, fuck, I just want to stream World of Warcraft.
	Fuck this shit.
	This is way too much of a headache.
	But, oh, so what was the breaking point?
	A month into COVID, April 2020.
	I'm playing Horde, right?
	World of Warcraft Classic.
	Get this shit right.
	I've got four level 60s.
	I'm doing everything for my guild.
	It's a hardcore rating guild, son.
	You know what I'm talking about.
	That's right.
	Hardcore fucking raiding guild.
	We're fucking raiding Molten Core.
	We're crushing that shit.
	Oh, fuck.
	I hurt myself.
	We're crushing Molten Core.
	Blackwing Layer.
	Easy.
	All the world bosses, you know, fucking Azergos and fucking Lord Castle?
	I know that guy.
	Of course you know that shit.
	We got that shit on Farm.
	All the other guilds are fucking jealous because we're taking up all that world boss loot because we're fucking geez with that shit.
	We got summoners.
	Hold on, I'm getting really fucking hype.
	I want to know what happened.
	Bro, so okay, we have, here's the thing, right?
	We're, what's the, what's the, uh, ZG, ZG20.
	Wait, is it ZG?
	There you go.
	ZG20 just came out.
	I think it was Phase 4 just came out.
	Nightmare Dragons, the Emerald Dragons, Green Dragons, right?
	More world bosses, right?
	We're on that shit.
	Get this.
	I had a couple, you know, what's your favorite loot system in World of Warcraft?
	I don't know.
	You don't know?
	Okay, let me go around the table on this.
	Ladies, what's the best loot system in World of Warcraft?
	So you have, you got Loot Council, you have Suicide Kings, you have GDKP, you have DKP, you have Soft Reserve, you have EPGP, and then there's, I feel like there's one I'm forgetting.
	Which one's your favorite?
	Doesn't matter.
	Anyways, the EBGPG.
	Cool.
	So we, my guild, Hardcore Rating Guild, most of them have a loot council.
	Now, loot councils, guys, can be corrupted, right?
	And loot's very important because I'm a fucking DPS pumper.
	I want to parse.
	I'm getting those 99% parses, right?
	Fucking epic, legendary parses.
	Sometimes I'm getting the pink parses.
	You know what I'm talking about?
	That's what's up.
	But, bro, I'm getting passed over on loot, and there's some terrible loot decisions, bruv.
	So finally, the loot council, the loot council is fucking corrupt.
	There's corruption with the loot council, and I got screwed over too many fucking times.
	And I'm a fucking, yo, I'm an asset to this guild.
	How are you going to fuck me over with loot?
	Maybe I'm a loot goblin.
	I'm a loot goblin.
	Hold on, I got something.
	It's because they were jealous of you.
	Man, I was like, boom!
	Groups me, boss.
	Boom!
	Ninja loot!
	I got passed over too many times on loot.
	It was not being distributed properly.
	So you know what?
	I just, I g quit.
	I g quit the guild.
	I had four 60s, and I said, I'm out.
	And I just uninstalled the game.
	I uninstalled the game.
	I was tilted because of some loot decision.
	I was like, fuck this shit.
	And they're all probably like fucking friends in real life and stuff.
	So, if like you don't really know then, like, you know, not in real life, but there's like online and World of Warcraft, it's it's a great game, but like, there's literally a very toxic community online gaming.
	Yes, especially when like them kids, we remember like going to my friend's house and they would like talk on Xbox and be like, come on, let's fight!
	Like, this is why sometimes, and it's not appropriate, but sometimes I'll be like too stern with Nick.
	And, bro, and Nick's a trooper, right?
	But, like, this is like how the leadership, like, this is, I'm used to gaming, the gaming world.
	So, like, I'm used to like being, dude, I'm so used to just like talking to people in certain ways.
	Like, I, bro, I was, I was not in the leadership and the guild leadership.
	Again, we're the number one guild.
	We're one of the top guilds, speedrunning shit.
	Like, speedrunning.
	Okay.
	Speedrunning.
	Yeah.
	Speedrunning shit, right?
	Fucking clearing molten core in like, what, 30 minutes, bro?
	Damn.
	Gangster shit.
	Top 10 NA horn, right?
	So.
	Bro, why?
	It gets to a point you're just done.
	But dude, if you're in like a hardcore rating guild, that shit's toxic.
	And it, you know, it kind of rubbed off on me.
	So sometimes I'm toxic to guys love toxic.
	I love you, Nick.
	Nick, you're the homie.
	I wish you were this fucking shit.
	Actually, this is a guild.
	I am running a.
	This is my guild.
	Nick is, he's a, he's one of the guild members.
	Right, Nick?
	Nick, do you play as well?
	He has a tabard.
	I make him wear a tabard every show.
	Okay, anyways.
	All right.
	Okay.
	All right.
	I'm sorry, guys.
	Well, I brought that up because you said you don't drink as well.
	I know you said if you didn't play, you'd be a billionaire.
	And I was wondering, you were saying it's stressful running the show, obviously, building this empire.
	But that whole idea of trading one addiction for another, that happens a lot because people are going to a video game, porn, weed, alcohol, whatever it may be, for a pain reliever.
	I was weed.
	I was drinking.
	If you pull up teamvulnerable.com, you see my before and after photo.
	I look like Brendan Frazier getting ready for the whale.
	You can pull it in the video.
	Funny enough.
	I'm not nude on there, are you?
	Who's that?
	No, okay, just making sure.
	He's like an actor.
	You've never seen the whale?
	This is like a really hard.
	Hearthstone.
	But the whole idea of really, you know, we were talking about it of like, you know, well, they're going to do it anyways.
	Well, they're going to, and it's, people are running to a pain reliever for some reason.
	So there's something going on deeper inside.
	So I was just wondering when you said you quit, it was a bit of a rage quit.
	But the no drinking, that's good as well because people change or trade one addiction for another many times.
	Glad you knew.
	Yeah, no, I've never been much of a drinker to begin with.
	Don't do drugs, don't smoke.
	So my vice was video games.
	That was my vice.
	What are you drinking?
	I see you drink some drinks.
	Oh, this is the secret juice.
	Yeah.
	You don't drink coffee neither.
	Have you seen that?
	It's anybody ashes like it's not the coffee juice.
	It's not me.
	It's just I sometimes my voice gets hoarse, so I have like, there's like lemon and some honey in there.
	It's a mix of like cashmen, MJ.
	Nice.
	So great.
	Okay, let's get back to, we did the icks.
	We did the icks.
	Do I have icks?
	Do the guys have icks?
	Yeah, guys can have icks.
	Plastic surgery is a big ick for me.
	Annies, innies.
	You don't like any.
	True, look, I was being a bit hyperbolic.
	Innies are great.
	Audi's are great.
	I don't discriminate.
	All pussy is great.
	All abia matter.
	All games.
	All labia matter.
	What else?
	Icks.
	I'm trying to think.
	Quarrelsome women.
	I don't like quarrelsome women.
	Coulson, what's that?
	Quarrelsome.
	Quarrelsome.
	Proverbs 21, 19.
	Better to live in the desert than with a quarrelsome and nagging wife.
	Someone who knocks.
	Someone who already knows.
	Like a bitchy woman.
	I got the trash.
	Pretty much.
	Why don't you do this?
	Brian, do that.
	Why'd you play video games for six hours instead of throwing out the trash?
	Brian.
	Trying to think if there's anything else.
	I like really, I don't like ego.
	I don't like people with whether they're men or women.
	I don't like egotistical people.
	So I like more down to earth.
	Thank you.
	I am Brixon's flannel.
	I am wadded up in the back of the Subaru he disowns.
	He traded me in for a hookeroo.
	Brixon is a closeted lesbian.
	Yep.
	Please help me.
	I am sad.
	Brixon's.
	There you go.
	Brian's flannel.
	I'm a closeted lesbian.
	Who's Brixon?
	I'm.
	I mean.
	Brixon?
	Is it true?
	Well, I date women, so if you're a man, aren't you a lesbian?
	No makes sense.
	I mean, if I, I suppose, like, if I identified as a woman, I would be a lesbian.
	Okay, there.
	Walt spent the flannel.
	What?
	Yeah, why is he saying he's Brian's sweatshirt?
	Well, normally I wear that.
	Why not Brian's sweatshirt?
	Yeah, be Brian's sweatshirt.
	He wants me to bring the flannel.
	Yeah, where's your bright coloured clothes?
	Tip 500, he'll bring this.
	I knew you were coming tonight, and I knew you just couldn't resist the flannel, so I had to tone it down.
	Was it the Bronnie, the paper towel guy?
	No, no, it's wintertime.
	It's wintertime, so I'm wearing a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of women.
	So you have to put it in the water.
	Keep him warm.
	Last things with Andrew here from our notes.
	And I think you guys doubled on this.
	You said how guys always downgrade and cheat on us with ugly ass females.
	Why do men always cheat on their girlfriends with ugly ass females?
	Yes.
	Yes, and they downgrade.
	And I feel like men, they always downgrade, you know, like when they're cheating and stuff.
	It's really weird.
	And I think it's just because their self-esteem, you know, so like personally speaking, I got cheated on with like two girls that were like Brandon Fraser the whale.
	I'm talking like they should be on my 600 pound life.
	And then it was weird because it's like, how are you going to call me fat?
	And then you go with these huge women and stuff.
	Like, it's crazy.
	And then my other ex too, he would call me fat.
	And then he cheated on me with a pregnant girl.
	Not saying anything to you.
	You know, but it's like, I mean, you literally, when you're big, like, you hold.
	I'm not saying like you're fat, but like, and then, yeah, so he cheated on me with the pregnant girl.
	He wasn't the daddy.
	And I went through his phone and he had sex with her without a condom on.
	And then I called her and I was like, you do know he's still fucking me too, right?
	And you're pregnant with a baby and you don't know if I'm fucking other people.
	And what if I gave him something and then he gave it to your baby?
	And yeah, I was like, girl, you a hoe.
	Like, I can't believe you just.
	Like, if you have sex with a man when you're pregnant and it's not your baby daddy without a condom, you are a hoe.
	And I hope she's watching it.
	I hope my ex is watching it because, like, I'm going to light his ass up every time.
	So, yeah, I mean, that's about it.
	I've just noticed, like, you know, the men cheat, cheat down.
	Yes.
	Well, I wouldn't say date down, but cheat.
	Yeah.
	They always cheat down.
	Okay, well, question for the panel here.
	Would you prefer your boyfriend cheat on you with a girl who is hotter or uglier than you?
	You might acknowledge that they always cheat with women who are.
	I would have them cheat on me uglier because it'd make me feel better if she was a badass bitch.
	I'd be like, damn.
	I need to look like her.
	I'm kind of happy then that they cheat on you with somebody who's not.
	I'd still be sad.
	Well, you're still upset.
	Yeah, but I'm like, I feel like, you know, going around the table, starting with you.
	Honestly, someone ugly, and then you can kind of justify it.
	Clown it.
	Oh, fucking shit.
	You can clown on him.
	I don't know what about you.
	Someone hotter.
	Hotter.
	Hotter.
	Okay.
	Interesting.
	Hard to find, but harder.
	What about you?
	Probably uglier.
	Uglier?
	Okay.
	All right.
	Uglier.
	Uglier, okay.
	Uglier.
	Neither.
	If you had to.
	Okay.
	All right.
	All right.
	I think it's the case, though.
	You know, it's like, you know, it kind of makes sense, you know, why they cheated with uglier women.
	You know?
	Yep.
	They're available.
	Yep.
	They're available.
	They're ready.
	And you shouldn't cheat.
	You shouldn't cheat.
	They're easier.
	But it makes sense.
	Yeah, just look at it.
	Thank you.
	No attention that much.
	All right, we're moving on to Hazel here.
	Hazel, you said an ex-boyfriend of yours got obsessed with you, followed you everywhere, broke your windows, slashed your tires because I wouldn't get back with him.
	And he would call you crying every day.
	Why don't you tell us a bit about that?
	Yeah, that was pretty immature of him, but I was with them for about six months.
	It was kind of during a break from my previous relationship.
	So it wasn't that serious, but I ended up getting back with my ex and he was very upset about it.
	So yeah, he pretty much slashed my tires, broke my windows.
	He wouldn't leave me alone.
	Speaking of slashing tires and breaking windows, has any girl here ever slashed ex's tires, somebody's tires ever gotten rubber?
	I've thought about it.
	I don't want to go to jail.
	I've swolled someone.
	You've spilled some.
	Swolled someone.
	Swirl.
	Swolled.
	It's like when you like to throw a drink and the throw drink.
	That's fine.
	Like in glee with the slushies.
	I've never watched glee.
	I've got a drink.
	I like guys.
	Loving hip-hops.
	Good times.
	Okay.
	Jade, you slashed the tire?
	I did something a lot worse than slashing tire.
	So he bought me a BMW and then he cheated on me with one of my best friends and I totaled the BMW on purpose.
	And he's actually still paying for the car too.
	Okay.
	Because it was in his name.
	It wasn't his name, yeah.
	So he would have taken it then.
	Yeah, fuck him.
	Good job.
	Good job.
	Wait, he was cheating on you?
	With one of my closest best friends.
	And so you wrecked his car that he bought.
	Yeah.
	But it was in his name.
	Was there insurance on the car?
	There was Gap.
	However, it was an older BMW.
	Actually, no, he did not get Gap.
	So they sold the car at auction for like two grand.
	Good job.
	Proud of you.
	Yeah, that's an awesome.
	I don't know about that.
	No, it's honestly like it's one of like the worst things.
	Like I regret it a lot.
	No, she regrets it.
	I regret it.
	Would I do it again?
	No.
	But in the moment, I think I was just so heated.
	And on top of that, I was like only 20, so I was super immature.
	How'd you total it?
	I don't know if I want to say it in front of everybody because insurance is going to come after me like that.
	Yeah, no, I'm not going to.
	You can tell us after.
	I literally like, what if I was just hit?
	Maybe I was hit?
	Yeah, she was just hit.
	She got an accident.
	Geko, leave me alone, please.
	When was it your 23 statute of limitation?
	Okay.
	All right.
	Well, maybe we can get into that a bit more later.
	We have Lily here.
	Lily, you describe yourself as a liberal feminist.
	Oh, I was just answering the questions.
	I didn't really know what liberal meant, but I was like, I guess.
	But I haven't voted.
	You have what?
	I haven't voted.
	Oh, you haven't voted.
	No, I haven't voted.
	Wait, are you able to do like other British accents?
	Like, can you do received?
	Canel love, you're looking fucking lovely.
	Can you do, do you know, can you do received pronunciation?
	What does that mean?
	You don't know, isn't, that's what it's called, right?
	Received pronunciation?
	I just don't understand what it means.
	Chat.
	Wait, wait, wait.
	Chat.
	That's like how the Royals talk, right?
	RP?
	Received pronunciation.
	Oh, yeah.
	Isn't that what it's called?
	Wait, chat.
	One in the chat.
	It's called received pronunciation.
	Ya.
	Chat?
	It's RP, right?
	Received pronunciation.
	Hello, chat, chat, chat, chat.
	Anybody?
	Nobody knows.
	Do you give us a question?
	Okay, whatever.
	All right.
	Where were we?
	Okay, you call yourself a liberal feminist.
	Are we?
	Yes, right?
	Yeah, well, I...
	But you haven't voted.
	No.
	No, and I guess my definition of feminists is like you want equality.
	I think.
	We're going to get into the feminist stuff later.
	I'm not like, like, so hard on me.
	On your Twitter, it states that you love being a sluzza.
	Yeah.
	What's a sluzza?
	A slag.
	Slur.
	Shago.
	304.
	Sluzza.
	Sluzza.
	Is this like a British term or?
	I don't know.
	I just know it's like, I'm guessing it's a British term if you guys don't know it.
	But yeah.
	And you do sluzza.
	You do porn, correct?
	Okay.
	I'm just curious, how many men have you done scenes with?
	Do you know?
	Do you keep count?
	No, I couldn't tell you.
	Do you have an estimate, a range?
	It's in the triple figures.
	Triple figures?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Wait, triple dating.
	Like different men.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Got it.
	How many, because in your pre-show notes, you say that you're too much of a slut to date anyone.
	This is not my words.
	Your words.
	You said you're too much fun.
	I'm just having too much fun being a slag to date anyone.
	Okay.
	And so you're not dating any civilians?
	No.
	No.
	As they're called.
	No, I've not taken anyone hostage just yet.
	Okay.
	Do you, I mean, how long have you been involved in the adult industry?
	Three years.
	Three years.
	During that time, have you dated any civilians?
	Yes, but only for like six months.
	Six months?
	Do you tell them up front?
	Like, because I'm sure, like, do you go out to bars and clubs?
	You meet a dude at a bar and a club.
	Do you have dating apps, maybe?
	It really depends, but my dating app, I don't think I've got really many dating apps anymore, but when I did, I set them to very conservative photos and like.
	Wait, you'd send them conservative photos.
	No, no, no, let's set it so it didn't like really attract.
	Like I wasn't posting like me, like, yeah, it was just like, me like a selfie, me with my dog, like more conservative photos.
	I didn't outright say like what I do.
	So, but you would, because you also said, and I don't know if you said this, okay, you also said you've never not what on the first date?
	I've never not shagged someone on the first date.
	So every time you've been on the first date.
	I can't help myself.
	Okay.
	And are you, you've dated while you've, for the three years that you've been doing porn, you've dated during that period, correct?
	Yeah, like I've gone on dates, not necessarily.
	But so, like, would you disclose to them that you're involved in porn?
	Not all of them are.
	Okay, look, I mean, you're just, there's not, I suppose there's an argument to be.
	Especially if you just meet someone for one date and you shag and then you like, you know, you don't talk anymore.
	Look, I suppose you could make the argument that like, you know, you're not, there's certainly no legal obligations for you to disclose that you do porn.
	From my view, and perhaps maybe a lot of men also would agree with me.
	Maybe the chat can weigh in here.
	I would hope if I met a girl on a dating app or in person, whatever, that she would disclose to me if she does porn.
	So that I could so that I could rightly disqualify her.
	Here's the thing for me: like either.
	Do you find it embarrassing?
	Like, if you were to sleep with someone and find out that they were afterwards a porn star, would you be like embarrassed?
	And whatever.
	Why would you not tell them that you're a porn star?
	Just because, well, sometimes I just meet them for a date and I don't want to answer all the questions.
	But I mean, that's one of the first questions.
	What do you do?
	Yeah, usually go, I work online, it's really...
	So you'd omit?
	Pardon?
	You would omit.
	Omission.
	What does that mean?
	So you wouldn't- I just wouldn't admit it, like- I'd just be like, oh, I work online.
	It's really boring.
	Oh, God.
	But what would cause you to want to do this?
	Instead of just saying this is what I do.
	Because sometimes I don't want to go through the whole conversation.
	And like, obviously people look at you so much differently.
	And I just don't want to go through the whole thing.
	But she's been ran through more than the Chicago Bears defensive line.
	So she's a two.
	I'm going to fix her.
	I can fix her.
	We're going to make her a trad, not my trad wife, but we'll make her a trad wife.
	It's a trad wife.
	I actually should do a segment.
	We should chat.
	What do you think?
	We should do a segment on the show where the OnlyFans girls we come on, we actually push them to like escalate doing.
	No, not for that.
	We politely push you to get out of the adult entertainment industry.
	I'm not going to lie.
	I don't think there's anything that I'm really...
	What's that?
	I don't think there's anything that would really push you what?
	To not do it.
	not to do it yeah what if i told you that yeah i can't think of anything yeah Actually, never mind.
	Yeah, I can't really help.
	a relationship with someone I've I've been in when I was in that relationship he said he was like he wants me to stop She said she wants to date a person.
	There's many people that are in relationships that do OnlyFans end porn.
	And also, there are a lot of guys who are into it.
	Wait, but let's stay on the topic.
	So you said that you would not disclose to like a civilian.
	Ooh, that, I mean, look, I don't know if you have like some, whether it's an ethical, moral obligation to disclose, but I know for me that I would want a girl to disclose to me if she does porn so that I could make the decision of whether I'd want to pursue her or not.
	Well, like further down the line, like yeah, but you say you sleep with the men on the first date, and perhaps like for me, it's even if, and I'm not interested in casual sex, like there's for me, I'm not interested in sleeping with a girl once and never talking to her again.
	That's pointless to me.
	But even if I was inclined to do that, I wouldn't even want to have casual sex with a woman who's promiscuous or who's done porn or who has a high body count.
	Because those things are pretty much deal breakers for me.
	Yeah.
	So I don't really go on dates with men that are like, I mean, to be fair, we don't really talk about it that much before the date.
	But like, if someone's asking me on a first date, like, I mean, I don't think I've ever been on a first date, so it's been like, what's your body count?
	Or like, I hate slizzers.
	Sluzzes.
	Yeah.
	Right.
	And I do think.
	Nickelodeon donated $100.
	A guy who just fucked told you he's fucked 100 plus women online.
	Is you first concerned what his job is or how healthy he and his semen are?
	Nickelodeon that's that's a pretty good point.
	I mean one thing that comes with like the porn industry is like the The house.
	Yeah Yeah, and look, the typical argument I hear on this is, well, we get tested every seven days or whatever, 14 days, whatever it is.
	I don't know if there's different standards in the UK.
	No, it's same.
	I do, yeah.
	And perhaps it's the case that the incidence rate of like gonorrhea or chlamydia or whatever, the primary things that they're testing for, is lower in the porn industry.
	But what's higher in the porn industry is HPV and herpes, which they don't test for.
	And if they did test for it, and if having a positive test for those things precluded you from participating in porn, the entire porn industry would collapse because most of these porn actors have herpes.
	Well, I do.
	It's my understanding.
	I do a full panel.
	It includes like everybody.
	It includes herpes?
	Yeah, well, they take blood.
	They have some.
	Yeah, so they do also test for HIV.
	Yes.
	That's something I forgot.
	They make me swab my ass.
	saw my throat but like yeah what They swab.
	No, no, is it like you go and swab it yourself?
	but they don't really okay but so you you get like a do you get an email or you get a yeah Okay, do they show anything for herpes or HPV?
	Really?
	They show everything.
	Yeah, you get everything on it.
	They don't test, my understanding, and we've had some other women in the porn industry, entertainment industry, my understanding is they don't check for herpes.
	I'm pretty sure the primary career.
	Yeah, because I don't know.
	Well, no, Okay, I just want to be very precise here.
	So there's the industry-mandated STD testing.
	My understanding, for that, they don't check for herpes and HPV.
	Now, if you go to your doctor and you're in the porn industry and you want a full panel.
	Yeah, everyone that I collab with, I make sure that they have a full panel.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	But, like, okay, the porn industry, like, if you're doing OnlyFans, that's a bit different.
	I think it's...
	Yeah, I'm not on Pornhub.
	But if...
	But if you're like in the fucking, if you're in the San Fernando Valley and you're shooting like traditional porn and you want to participate in that way, I'm pretty sure they're not trying to get away from that.
	I'm like 100% sure you have to have a full panel.
	I would check.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Well, I've heard different ways.
	STIs are so much more common, I feel like, in just in the real world.
	Yeah, because people are fucking for sure.
	Like, yeah, definitely even.
	And also, what's to say when I fuck these guys in the dates, I'm not using protection.
	Well, I mean, you can certain STDs, even if you're using a condom, you can still transfer, you know.
	like i said that's just the risks of life like that's just there's a crazy stat The average age of a porn star who dies, their life expectancy, 37.
	And there was a crazy one that, but general population who does ecstasy, 8%, porn industry, 50%.
	And I'm curious what your thoughts are on that.
	Joshua Broome, former porn star, male performer of the year type thing.
	He knew 35 people who self-deleted themselves, right?
	And why do you think that is being in it, having the experience from your perspective?
	Well, I think obviously sometimes people go into porn.
	You know, like Mia Khalifa and like people have recently come out that it used to be very, very unsafe in terms of like they didn't protect their performers and stuff like that.
	But like, I mean, for all the shoots I've been on, it's all very, very safe.
	And like everyone is like, are you okay?
	Are you consenting to this?
	They give you a huge list on like what you want to do, what you don't want to do, and stuff like that.
	Do you shoot here in the US or in the UK?
	I have shot here.
	Okay.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Good times.
	Well, okay.
	So right now you're not dating civilian men.
	No.
	Because you say you're a sluzza.
	Yes.
	You love being a sluzza.
	Yeah, I love cute.
	I'm pussy to be fair.
	Like, I am biased.
	Okay, all right.
	You go both ways, all right.
	You never not fucked on the first date.
	Um, wait, okay, question for you, since I mean, this is related to being a sla slazzi.
	We're gonna do, we're gonna do, all right, okay.
	How many men have you had sex with in the past three days?
	Three days, three days, three, three men, yeah, okay, past week.
	Well, because I've been here, I've been working every single day, except for him, what day is it?
	It's Tuesday, Tuesday, yeah.
	Yeah, and but then I um went to like um a party and sorry, a sex party, yeah, but it was only people who were tested.
	Um, so when I went uh Saturday, and it was a sex party, well, no, no, no, it was someone's party, but it was a sex, it was a sex party, but I mean, people were having sex, it was a sex party, right?
	People are sat in the hot shop tits, but um, yeah, did you have sex at the party?
	Yes, how many people did you have?
	Two, two people, yes, two men, uh, a girl and boy, girl and boy, past week, how many every day of the week, and then yeah, with a new a new guy, yeah, past month, oh, maths.
	See, I was in, obviously, I've come from England and I didn't really work much in England, so probably like I'm gonna say like Virgin on like 17 past month, okay, 2024.
	So that's where we're a month and a half.
	May yeah, this is maths.
	I know maths, maths.
	I don't know.
	I'm I think like what day is it?
	Tuesday the 13th.
	I'd guess like 25, 30.
	I don't know, 25.
	What about how was 2023 looking?
	I'm asking you.
	You're just trying to work out how many people I've slept.
	Pretty much.
	No, but like, I didn't, I don't work with that many.
	She knows it.
	2023.
	She pays late.
	2023?
	What are we working with?
	I honestly couldn't tell you.
	I'd guess I'd guess like 100.
	I don't know.
	Don't hold me to that.
	Like, if you had, like, in an average week, how many new men were you?
	But then here I work with so many more people because there's so many more people to work with.
	Well, just like there, I'm working with the same people.
	In the UK?
	Yes.
	Okay, but when you're here, there's like do it every single day.
	How often do you come to the States?
	Well, this is my second time.
	How long are you allowed to stay here?
	I'm curious.
	Three months.
	So are you on a tourist visa?
	Do the math on that.
	So I'm on holiday.
	She's on.
	Oh, okay.
	Yes.
	Don't, please don't send me anything.
	I'm going to shut up.
	Wait, okay, 2023.
	So how.
	Wait, I want to do a breakdown between men you've shot scenes with and then civilian men.
	See, when I'm shooting with people, like guys, I'm not really sleeping with guys, civilian guys.
	But I mean, you said you've been doing this for three years and you said during that time you have been.
	But I haven't always shot with guys.
	Oh, so you'll have break periods, basically.
	Yeah, yeah.
	And also, like, there's no need for me to always be shooting with different guys.
	Like, here it's great.
	You recycle.
	Yeah.
	You recycle.
	Okay.
	2022?
	How was that looking?
	Oh, mate.
	No, I wasn't doing boy girl.
	Just girl, girl.
	Wait, I'm curious.
	So you're 22, right?
	Yes.
	Started this year.
	So you got into the industry at 19?
	18.
	18.
	Okay.
	It was just Slaz Kale.
	Grid One Motorsports donated $100.
	Does the slazerbang multiple dudes in one day do any finishing, huh?
	As a man, the one thing you never want to think about is another dude being able to ask how his diet takes.
	Stop it, get some help.
	So, if obviously not.
	Stop it.
	Let some help.
	If I'm having a free, like, with I've had like threesomes with guys, and so obviously, I'm shagging two guys in one day.
	But if you're talking about like one guy and then the next guy, yes, but the first guy, I will get him to like spunk on my face and not in to what spook?
	Spunk.
	Oh, okay, yeah, yeah, okay.
	Spunk on my face, not in me.
	Wait, good to know.
	So, wait, I'm so thoughtful, you know.
	So, you said, you said you do, you've done threesomes.
	How many threesomes have you done, do you think?
	Dude.
	How long's a piece of string?
	How many if you had to like give a range?
	Over 100 threesomes?
	No, no, no.
	Okay.
	No, not that much of a slack.
	I saw a clip from some, you know, we do some pre-show research.
	You said there was a hot tub 10 guys story.
	Did yeah, that wasn't for a video.
	That was just personal life.
	But did you.
	All ten of the like bits.
	So like soaking up, hand up.
	And they were all tested?
	No.
	This was before I did boy girl.
	Is the stuff you're doing now more extreme from when you were 18 to now where you're at or is it less extreme?
	No, it's so much more safe and like people talk so much more openly about like your wants, your needs.
	Like I said, like, you know, you could literally be like, I don't want to do any of this.
	Just like, I want it soft, I want it nice.
	Like, wait, so.
	But in actual sex, we don't actually talk about that in the 10-guy hot tub thing.
	How many.
	Yeah, this is on the family ski holiday.
	How many you had sex with a couple of them or all of them?
	A couple of them.
	In fact, you'd take one, come back to the hot tub.
	There was a hot tub, and there was also a sauna, and I was like, having sex with a couple of them in the sauna, and then others.
	In the sauna?
	I feel like it's kind of dangerous.
	You know, it wasn't actually.
	I sauna almost daily, and I don't want to have sex in the sauna.
	It's high-hot and it really wasn't that bad.
	I don't know.
	It was because we're skiing, it was really cold, so it's not that bad.
	Okay, well, so okay.
	How many threesomes have you had?
	Oh, if you had to give it a range, not that many.
	Not that many.
	Oh, okay.
	I thought you were the one.
	I'd say like 20.
	Any foursomes?
	Yeah.
	Any five sums?
	One.
	Any six sums?
	No.
	Seven sums?
	Eight sums?
	I don't really, I don't really count.
	I'm not like one or two.
	You know what I mean?
	I'm just trying to.
	To grid one motorsports question, how many in a 24-hour period, like how many in a 24-hour period?
	Nick.
	Four on separate occasions.
	In like one day?
	This was one evening.
	Okay.
	And it wasn't group sex, it was one of them.
	No, no, no.
	This was separate.
	No, one of them was a threesome.
	Oh, one was a threesome with a gun and a boy, and then the others were all, and then it was one guy, one of them.
	It was a threesome with a guy and a girl, and then one guy, and then one guy.
	One guy, yeah.
	I see.
	Okay.
	And this was for shooting scenes, or was this like a sex party type thing?
	It was a what?
	It was for fun.
	It was for fun.
	Yes.
	Was it like a swingers thing?
	Was it like a sex club?
	It was tawny and the guys actually knew I was fucking.
	No, it was actually on holiday.
	You were on holiday?
	It was in Ibiza.
	Okay.
	Sorry.
	I don't know if that gets any context.
	Isn't that an island in the party holiday island?
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Sense.
	It's in Spain.
	It's in Spain, though.
	So was a DJ involved?
	No.
	I feel like that's just like DJs and shit.
	Whatever.
	Wait, so what about so four in one night, that's the most?
	Yeah, except from obviously you're like, but that wasn't sex, like with the ten guys.
	Right.
	Wait, so the hot tub thing, you had sex with all ten?
	No, that's what I'm saying.
	I didn't have sex with all ten.
	The four in one night was all sex.
	Wait, so okay, give me a breakdown of.
	I want a detailed breakdown of the hot tub thing.
	Was that also on vacation?
	I was quite drunk, so yes, holiday.
	Holiday?
	Holiday goes down.
	Goes down on holiday.
	I meet this bunch of guys and they're like, come back to us.
	We have a hot tub.
	I suck.
	Just you?
	And my friend was also there, but her boyfriend was friends with them.
	And so she had gone already in another bedroom with her boyfriend.
	So it was just me in the hot tub with all these guys.
	And so, okay, I want like a chronological order of what went down with the hot tub story.
	I was just making jokes.
	Like, this is how you start out.
	Like, you just start making jokes.
	You're like, haha, wouldn't it be funny if you all shagged right now?
	It's a good one.
	Good joke.
	And then like, they decided to definitely get into it.
	You know, like, people are like touching my thighs.
	And I'm like, yeah, do my tits look nice.
	And people are like filling me up.
	She belongs to the streets.
	Okay.
	And then I'm filling them up.
	And then like, you know.
	But like, give me a play-by-play fussy.
	Do you want me to film this next time?
	Do you want to?
	No, no, no, but I want to see.
	Yeah.
	I want the scope of.
	Yeah.
	I don't know it was exactly 10 guys.
	That was kind of like a rough.
	I just know it was a load of guys.
	So it could have been more than 10 guys.
	But yeah, but I did.
	Were there any other girls?
	No.
	It was you.
	My friend.
	And she did.
	So you're there with 10 dudes, some of them you know.
	So like, but what is the progression?
	Because it sounds like you were sexually involved with some of them to varying degrees.
	So I want like a detailed play-by-play.
	So then obviously when you start touching each other up, people get horny and they start to get hard-ons and they're feeling your tits and like kissing your tits.
	And then you start kissing down their body and kissing their cocks.
	And then like, you know, the guys are there, some of the guys are sat there watching.
	Some of the guys are, you know, one's getting a bit of a handy.
	The other one like kissing him and stuff like that.
	And then, and then it was more like towards the end of it.
	Doc Venability $100.
	Syphilis was deadly until penicillin.
	HIV killed one hundreds of thousands because of its stealth transmission.
	The next deadly STD pandemic will come.
	I pray East End Girl reforms before it arrives.
	Oh, Doc Vanablis, he's a doctor here.
	Syphilis was deadly until penicillin.
	HIV.
	East End.
	All right.
	What's that mean?
	East End?
	I don't know.
	That's a song or something.
	Thank you, Doc Vanablis.
	Appreciate it.
	And by the way, I actually want to credit you for being open about talking some of these things because some people may not feel comfortable being so forthcoming and sharing this sort of stuff.
	So I certainly give you credit for your honesty.
	So, okay, hot tub, a dozen, a baker's dozen, maybe.
	How many of them did you have intercourse with?
	Two.
	Two.
	And then.
	But then, like, some of us, like, did you?
	I don't know, like, I guess like four or five, what?
	Touched up like hand job or like a handy person or like so.
	So, two guys you had intercourse with.
	Yeah, because they were well, like they were like, oh, like, let's go to the sauna.
	And those two, and I was like, yeah.
	And then, did any, how many BJs were given?
	You know, I was pretty drunk, but I'd guesstimate like three or four.
	And does that count?
	Like, is that so?
	Is it six?
	Like, did the guys who also had sex, did they also?
	Was there also the BJ too?
	No, no, I've counted them into the number.
	So those are different.
	So, like, when I say five, four or five, I've counted them in to the BJ count.
	Does that make sense?
	I'm like losing my mind over that.
	Sort of.
	Is that a good enough visual representation of what's happened?
	But it was a really fun trip.
	And I feel like, don't take this the wrong way.
	I feel like that just that story has to preclude you from like 90% of men.
	I'm sorry.
	I'm sorry.
	I don't mind that.
	Like, it doesn't offend me that people don't want to date me.
	Like, that's totally their decision.
	And that's fair for you.
	Yeah, yeah, exactly.
	But like, obviously, I don't want to date guys that aren't into it.
	Do your parents know these stories?
	No, they don't.
	Obviously, I'm not like sat at the dining table, mum, dad.
	Guess what I got up to today?
	If they found this podcast, how would they react?
	You know what?
	I tell them to stay off the internet, mum and dad.
	And I actually want to add, like, and I'm not like, I know I was kind of reacting while you're telling that story.
	Like, I put a lot of, I put some of the blame on the men there too, because, like, as a guy, I would be so uncomfortable in that situation.
	Like, it's just so cool.
	I would say, that's so, like, I don't know, chat.
	Like, that's so weird.
	I don't, as a guy, to like, I don't know.
	Like, seeing your buddies, like, I don't want to be in vicinity of my buddies, like, getting hand jobs.
	That's kind of like, sus it's, can I say it?
	Is it kind of who you are?
	It might be a little lafette, if I can avoid saying a certain word.
	It might be, uh, is that, what's that, rainbow?
	Yeah, I don't know.
	It's just like, but then I don't, I don't know.
	There's no need to put like a label on anything.
	Like, we're just having fun.
	But I never, like, I don't know.
	Are these your boys?
	Like, how are you, like.
	I don't think it's considered gay at all.
	It's like, nah, it's kind of.
	I didn't think it was gay.
	I thought it was really hard.
	All jokes aside, I'm a cybersecurity open source Intel expert.
	You don't own anything you post, and I'm not a blank fiend.
	Sorry, the TTS doesn't come through.
	If there's any like censored words, it won't read it.
	Are you prepared to explain mega fellatio and DP to your kids?
	What is mega fella?
	I don't even know what that is.
	Mega fellatio.
	What is like, I think that's like a mega blowjob?
	Fallatio is where you self-suck on yourself.
	Is it?
	I'm like pretty sure fallatio is like self-googling this shit.
	Look away, Manny.
	Where you like suck yourself off?
	Oh, no.
	What the fuck is.
	Like foreplay?
	I don't know what a mega.
	It's just like.
	I'm pretty sure fellatio is where you like suck yourself off.
	How do you even do that?
	I don't know.
	People who were like, some people are very flexible.
	There was like a show on where it was like this guy and he was doing this animation.
	I could suck my tooth.
	Can I ask you a question?
	Here comes the whore.
	Oh, what is going on tonight?
	Okay.
	Welcome, guys.
	Welcome, guys.
	Wait, so okay.
	I just, I don't get, like, how could he be.
	I don't know.
	Can I ask a question?
	Yeah, of course.
	No, we need to hear more from you.
	I don't know.
	I don't mean this in a mean way, but does sex have any meaning for you?
	See, I actually put this in my thing.
	I was like, I don't think it's that deep, personally.
	I mean, like, you can obviously have deep sex, but I don't think having sex is deep.
	Like, my second question, I, given my line of work, I'm very intrigued by, like, the, I would say, very negative side effects of the sexual revolution and like women's sexual promiscuity, because I think women bond differently with their partners when they have sex, whereas men, they can, like, have sex with a bunch of women and there's no emotional attachment, even from, like, a chemical level.
	Do you not feel like attached, i.e., like, if you have sex with a guy and you don't hear back from him, he ghosts you, like, does that hurt you at all, or does sex just not mean anything to you?
	Personally, like, I've heard of this, like, that girls get this kind of like hormone release or something like that.
	Yeah.
	But personally, in my experience, not really.
	Like, obviously, sometimes you're like, oh, I fancy that guy.
	But, like, especially in work, it's very, like, it's not real sex.
	Like, it's very hard.
	So, do you think that the sex that you have done in your work life has maybe changed the way you perceive sex in your personal life?
	You know what?
	I was being a whore before I started OnlyFans anyway.
	And so, not hugely, but I guess to some degree, yeah, definitely.
	But I'm like, I don't know.
	I see it's more like just an exchange.
	Like, it's not, it's not like, oh, I love this guy feelings.
	Like, it's more like.
	Did you always view sex like that?
	Even like from the first time you had sex, or did it used to mean something to you?
	It used to mean something.
	um i guess when i i broke up my first boyfriend that was just really horny and like just wanted to fuck about And then that's kind of when the downfall happened.
	But the first time I was like, I wanted to kind of like wait a bit more.
	And then I was just like, oh, it's just not that deep.
	And just kind of fucked around for the most part.
	Yeah, sorry.
	Sorry.
	Wait, so what were we talking about?
	Oh, yeah, yeah, of course.
	You're telling us about, like, how many civilians you've...
	Wait, hold on.
	Okay, okay, hold on.
	Wait.
	And you went to uni, right?
	I actually dropped out of uni to do what I do now.
	Brixon's Flannel donated $100.
	Jesus.
	Mega Fallation Equals Sing All the Ds.
	For clarification.
	Okay.
	Thank you.
	Brixon's Flannel.
	Appreciate the clarification there.
	Mega Fallatio.
	Never heard of that.
	Thank you.
	Oh, spill the books.
	Oh, uni, you went to uni.
	Yes.
	I don't know if I saw this from one of your clips.
	You said you had a lot of sex at uni.
	Yeah.
	Loads.
	It's so funny because I feel like I was more of a whore then than I am now.
	Because now I do it for work.
	So it's like, oh, fucking I don't need to be fucking about all the time.
	What was the sex education from your parents from childhood?
	From the first sexual experiences.
	Yeah, not really any.
	They just told me like, don't have sex until you're old.
	But that was about it.
	They didn't teach me anything about it.
	No.
	Wait, so okay.
	When you say you, and you were in uni for four years or did you drop?
	No, no, no.
	I dropped out to do what I do now.
	How long were you doing uni?
	One or two years?
	I went to one, like one, one lesson.
	And that was right when you were 18, right?
	Yes.
	Like as soon as you finished or after the summer.
	Yeah, so when I finished.
	What do you call it?
	Is it grade school?
	What do you call it?
	Some people go to A levels, do A levels, but I went to college because I am stupid.
	Oh, so there's university and then there's college?
	No, no, no, no.
	Okay, so you go school, you finish at 16, and then it's rather you do A levels or you do B tech at college, and that's what I did B tech at college.
	And then you get uni?
	No, no, no.
	And then you do that for two years or however long it takes you.
	So you said you were more promiscuous when you were in uni than you are now.
	Yeah, probably.
	So what did that look like?
	Okay, your first week of uni.
	Your first week of uni, what did it look like?
	Just a lot of shagging.
	How much shagging?
	Give us some beats.
	Give us some numbers.
	Well, I was there with my best friend and we would like tag team guys.
	So if they were best friends, we would be like, right, well, you take him and I'll take him.
	we would always foot better ends like that was um the kind of okay wait so okay you like first week what are we looking at um Yeah, probably like every night I went out, I'd come home with a guy.
	Every night?
	Yeah, and that's where I had my first five sum and first three some.
	Wait, your first week of uni?
	No, it was like.
	Your first semester of uni.
	Yeah, so basically, because I only did one, I went to one lesson, but I stayed at uni.
	I didn't tell my parents that I'd started OnlyFans and just stayed in the accommodation, but didn't get to any of the lessons.
	Wait, so you took one lesson and then you took a second.
	And then I was like, right, it's time to be a degenerate and start OnlyFans.
	Okay, and so you said your first semester of uni, almost, were you going out partying every night?
	Yeah, yeah, it was every night.
	Almost every night.
	Yeah.
	Every night or only night?
	No, no, no, almost every night.
	Five nights a week, fair to say?
	Yeah.
	And then when I wasn't going out, I was texting guys.
	And so every single night you went out, you would have sex?
	Yeah, almost.
	That was like our intention.
	We'd be like, right, I can't wait to go out tonight and find some like fit friends to fuck.
	And like, you know what, we'd always say, who's better we're going to end up in tonight?
	And so you said you had a five sum with four guys?
	No, it was two guys and three girls.
	How does that even work?
	Okay, cool.
	And then you had a three, you had a couple threesomes too during uni?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	How long were you in you're in uni for four months?
	I think I stayed in the accommodation for about six months because it was like free accommodation away from home where I could do OnlyFans in the privacy of having my own night room.
	Okay.
	And also like it was great because then I could fuck a load of guys because I wasn't living at home anymore.
	Right.
	Can I jump in?
	Because I don't know if that story.
	It'll still be there.
	And not to be the wet blanket, not to be the whatever, but it is so hard listening to it because it sounds like it's a nice ski resort.
	You're there, hot tub, sauna, whole bit.
	It was a resort type situation.
	And I'm literally thinking about my two sons, you know, were going to play in the pool.
	We got the daughter on the way.
	We got all this stuff.
	And it's like, if they were to see something like that.
	Oh, it wasn't a private house.
	But thinking about how, just on that scenario, though, like, let's just say we walked by, me and my three kids, and they saw that.
	How would that make you feel?
	No, it wasn't like.
	Well, I think she stated that.
	Yeah, yeah, it was at like a private chalet, and the hot tub was just theirs.
	Like, it wasn't like a resort where there's families there and stuff like that.
	I'm not doing anything in front of kids.
	I'm not doing anything.
	You're not doing anything in public, correct?
	But to say that, though, the average age that a young one starts watching is eight.
	And so saying, I'm not doing anything.
	I'm not sure if you're not doing anything in front of kids.
	She just said no.
	But she is.
	No, I'm porn.
	But then shouldn't that be the parents' obligation?
	Tell me how this makes you feel.
	But we did give a warning before the show that we don't want to discuss like young people.
	Then we can just end it on this.
	We can end it on this of just an answer, a truthful, honest answer of just how would that make you feel when they're watching.
	It totally makes me feel sick.
	Like, of course, I don't want anyone underage watching my content, but that is also not really fully my responsibility.
	It is the parents, it is, you know, their guardian or just their education.
	I think about Brittany De Lamora, former actress in the adult industry.
	She stood up to this.
	She is speaking up against it.
	We think about education, how much that can help.
	I'm not going to say the word.
	Blockers on our phones.
	And I do think the porn community could do more to make sure that only people over age are watching.
	But that's kind of the crux of it all.
	If I could give you $100 million, or if I could say you could save 10 marriages, 10 self-deletions, and 10 women being, you know what?
	But it's an actress, I can't do shit.
	No, you can.
	I really don't think it's her fault, though, because there's thousands of other girls doing it too.
	No, no, that's not what I'm saying.
	What I'm saying is what an inspiration she could be if she spoke up against it.
	That's what I'm saying.
	And if it could help those people, would it be worth it?
	It still wouldn't change anything.
	Yeah, I just wanted to.
	So you're just discrediting yourself.
	You're believing that you can't make any type of difference, but how does any movement start?
	It starts with one person.
	Manny stood up and said to me, Hey, I have a problem and I need help.
	And we've been able to see the impact that that's had on hundreds of families, hundreds of couples.
	You know, and it's easy to, it's very easy to sit there and just discredit yourself and say, I can't do anything, I can't help the world.
	You can.
	You can change the world.
	And it starts one person, one family at a time finding healing and people being willing to stand up and say, What's happening right now is not right.
	And what's happening to children's minds is not right.
	And you can make a difference.
	You guys have a fantastic mission.
	It feels a little bit like a non-sequitur, though, because we're talking about her pre-porn promiscuity.
	And I would like to try to attempt to stay focused on the topic at hand.
	So let's perhaps return to that.
	So you were saying how, let's see, you're telling us about the hot tub.
	You're telling us about uni.
	Your uni experience.
	I'm not laughing.
	I'm not laughing.
	So, I mean, what was that, you know, looking like?
	Just having fun, going out a lot and sleeping around a lot.
	Okay.
	And so.
	And I'd obviously just started OnlyFans, so I was like, I earn enough to be able to support myself.
	And yeah, it was just so much fun.
	I actually really enjoyed e-nie.
	Why did you decide to start doing OnlyFans?
	Like, what was this?
	You know what?
	I had wanted to do it for a while when I was with my ex-boyfriend.
	And then I broke up with him and I was like, yeah, why not start it?
	I already had a slight platform.
	I don't want to be like, oh, I've got so many followers.
	But I already had a slight platform on Instagram.
	And I thought, you know, I can make some.
	If OnlyFans didn't exist, do you think you would have stayed in university, gotten a degree, and like got a more traditional job?
	Or what do you think?
	Probably.
	Probably.
	I definitely think it was OnlyFans that led me to porn, definitely, because I realized how much I enjoyed it.
	That I was like, yeah, I want to do this even more and stuff like that and grow more.
	But yeah, I don't know, maybe.
	But then again, I was like, oh, I don't even know really what I was doing in uni.
	And I was, I mean, I went to one lecture, so I can't say it wasn't anything.
	Do you think that for other girls, it sounds like you've been successful in the industry, but like for other girls who are maybe wavering, like, oh, should I, you know, go get a license and do cosmetology or go get my, I'm, believe me, I'm anti-college, I'm anti-degrees, but like, you know, stay in university and get whatever degree.
	Or I could just drop out and go to OnlyFans and make a bunch of money, which again, statistically, not necessarily.
	That's your narrative.
	Do you think that that's sort of a risky path?
	You know what?
	I have like a ton of girl, not a ton.
	I have quite a few girls come to me every so often and say, I really want to get into the industry.
	Like, I want to start OnlyFans.
	How'd I do this?
	How'd I do that?
	Like, what do you think?
	Should I, you know, like just asking for my opinion.
	And I do always, always say, please think about it so much.
	Do you give them your referral code on OnlyFans too?
	Well, if I said, well, first of all, I say, really, really think about it.
	Make sure it's something you really want to do.
	Like, you know, talk to your parents about it and make sure like people, you know, you're not going to get like, I don't know, just have a good thing because it has a full impact on your life.
	And then, you know, I let them think about it.
	And if they still want to go through with it, then yeah, of course I'll offer my referral code.
	If they're not getting off me, they're going to get off someone else.
	Like it's not.
	But if they really want to do it, then yeah, like, yeah.
	But I always say like, it's not as easy as what people make it out.
	No one's successful over.
	Well, not many people are successful.
	But I think that's the real sinister nature of OnlyFans.
	And it sounds like you guys aren't necessarily perpetuating the myth, but that it is just like easy money.
	And I think that that's just like PR black menu.
	No, it's a wet dream for OnlyFans.
	Some people obviously like do get, you know, like the people who are already famous, but like it is, it's hard.
	I'm not saying I've got the harnessed job in the world or anything like that.
	But it's hard.
	Like I work hard, I'd like to say.
	But I'm not saying like I've got a harnessed job.
	But yeah, it's a lot harder than it looks online because people just think you take a few photos and then you know you're set for life.
	But that's just not the truth at all.
	Yeah.
	So kind of where I was leading into with all these questions, I know I was kind of almost interrogating you there.
	No, don't worry about it.
	It was leading to somewhere.
	No, it was leading to a point.
	It was, you know, in your notes here, you say that the internet makes people think people care way more about body count than they actually do.
	And that's kind of where it was leading.
	So it sounds like you don't really think body count matters or it shouldn't matter.
	Is that correct?
	Yes.
	I just think like, you know, these extremist podcasts and is this?
	No, no, more like fresh and fit and things like that.
	Come up on like your full you page and it's like, I will not date a girl who's got a body count over four.
	Like you are a fucking hoe.
	Like you're a whore.
	You may as well fucking kill yourself because no man will ever want you.
	And that's not something I advocate for, but.
	And I just, I just want to say like that is not true.
	And I think in a real relationship, like people don't care that much.
	As long as you're not, I mean, as long as you're not a whore like me.
	As long as like.
	But like if you're like a little bit of a slur, then like people don't care as much as well, okay.
	So I mean, I'll open up to the whole panel.
	We'll go around the table.
	Do you object to men caring about a woman's body count, starting with you?
	Wait, does object mean, I'm sorry.
	i'm so disagree do you yeah so i disagree with my kind of audience Do I disagree with men caring about a woman's body count?
	Do you object to it?
	No, I don't.
	I think everybody's entitled to their own opinion.
	Okay, sure.
	To each his own.
	No, I don't care.
	In fact, I think it matters.
	If they didn't care, I think that would be a red flag.
	Okay.
	Can you scoot your mic that way just a bit?
	What was the question again?
	Do you object to men caring about a woman's body count?
	Um, I'm not sure how to answer this.
	Um, can you elaborate?
	Like, okay, so men, a lot of men, not all men, but a lot of men prefer women who have a low body count or who are not promiscuous.
	And so, for example, if a woman has slept with seven men, some might or ten men or whatever it might be, some men might think that's a lot and object to it and not want to date her or take her seriously in a long-term relationship.
	Would you object to that?
	I think everyone's entitled to this different opinion.
	Sure, sure, Becca, what about you?
	No.
	Okay.
	Anything that you can do?
	I think it would be tough, but I would look at their heart and see if they are saying, you know what?
	Hey, we've all made mistakes in the past, we've all sinned, we've all gone against God, but I want to better myself and move in a new direction.
	Got it.
	Well, so it seems like almost everybody here, including a lot of the women, disagree with you on this.
	Do you think that perhaps your view on this is because you've had your promiscuity, or perhaps you still are promiscuous?
	I think I'm probably talking about like my optimal guy.
	If I was with a guy and they were asking and caring about body count, then that's not for me.
	Yeah, obviously I would disagree if a man has 100 body, like a herb count of 100, then it's a different story.
	You wouldn't be able to tell me, like, oh, yeah, I care about your body count.
	You could actually.
	You could.
	I'll make the argument in a sec here.
	But so here's okay, we're gonna go around the table on this.
	What's your body count?
	Starting with you.
	Go ahead.
	Yeah, it's definitely triple digits.
	I couldn't tell you what it is.
	Do you think it's more than 200?
	I would like to think probably not.
	Probably not.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	But like, like I said, I don't care, so I don't count.
	And like, that number's quite high.
	I can't count that high, you know?
	I mean, like, that's a part-time job keeping track of that.
	So, okay.
	Do you think that, I mean, do you think there's a percentage breakdown between like the men you've slept with for work and then the civilians you've slept with?
	I've probably slept with a lot more, like, for work.
	Civilians, more civilians than for work.
	Okay.
	How many do you think?
	But you said, didn't you say you've done over 100 scenes with men?
	Oh, no, I've not done, I've probably done like how many men do you think you've done scenes with 20, 30, 40, 50, 60, 70?
	I don't know.
	Quite a few now.
	Well, range, give us a range.
	I can't.
	Like, I'd say like more than 50.
	No, probably about 50.
	About 50?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	And then what about like civilians?
	How many there?
	Yeah.
	In the hundreds.
	In the mol, but are you saying?
	No, no, no.
	I'm going to guess if you...
	$2.50?
	I'm going to guess it's between 150.
	150?
	No, probably a bit more than 100.
	Well, yeah, a bit more than 500.
	And then like 220.
	150.
	So like, okay, all right.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	It's quite hard to like know.
	I don't, I don't count.
	So it's hard to know.
	Are you counting women and men?
	Yes, I count women.
	Because like I date girls, like I like girls, so like I class that as sex.
	Yeah.
	But I know a lot of people are like, I don't count gals, but that's just because they there.
	You said you want a husband one day, right?
	Yeah.
	You want kids?
	No.
	No kids.
	Oh, no kids.
	Okay.
	Do you think that, do you at least admit or concede that the fact that you've been engaged in adult content and your admitted past and current promiscuity?
	Do you at least admit that for the vast majority of people?
	And it's not optimal.
	That's going to be a major issue for long-term commitment.
	Yeah, no, I understand that.
	And I, you know, I know what my actions result in.
	I get that.
	But then again, I don't want to date someone who's, you know, not wanting to enjoy other people with me and stuff like that.
	All right.
	Well, I mean, it seems like at least you're kind of aware of.
	Yeah, I'm the Southwest though.
	Oh, going around the table, body count.
	All right, with like men and women including like 20.
	What's the breakdown?
	I've had sex with like seven women.
	So, yeah, and then the rest are guys.
	And I'm 25, so, you know, just a little bit every now and then, you know, it adds up.
	Sure.
	Miss 5,000 boyfriends.
	What about you?
	Women and men, I would say about 35.
	What's the breakdown?
	Six male and the rest female.
	Oh, okay.
	Period.
	Okay.
	Can I pass?
	Is that okay?
	No.
	I mean, if.
	We're not going to force out.
	Yeah, we're not going to force you.
	If you don't want to engage, that's fine with it.
	I will politely decline.
	That's fine.
	It's one.
	Okay.
	It's nine, but I do want to just say something about it.
	Sure.
	I had, you know, I grew up Christian, completely turned away from God when I was in college, and I started believing certain things about myself that I was an object, that no one was going to love me, that I was only good for, you know, fulfilling someone's sexual desires.
	And I really started to believe that.
	So I'm so grateful that I had people in my life who affirmed what's true: I deserve to be honored and valued and cared for and have a partner who's really there for me.
	And it was a big hiccup for Manny to get over that when I told him early on in our relationship.
	But I just want to say to all the women out there who are maybe thinking, hey, I'm too far gone, I don't think there's such a thing as too far gone.
	You can always turn it around and have a, and have a positive relationship with someone if you can turn around from.
	But what about Lily?
	I mean, Lily absolutely.
	She might be far gone.
	No offense, Lily.
	You're a nice girl.
	I agree with you.
	She might be far gone.
	No offense.
	I know we were going to do this whole lesson on turning hoes into.
	If you have a heart change and see an error of your ways, and let's just say you did decide to make a difference and turn it around and say, hey, I condemn my old actions.
	I repent of what I was doing.
	And I want to help other women.
	I want to help other women get out of this.
	It's like, I do believe you could absolutely find a great man who would stand by you.
	Absolutely.
	And I feel like you can find it.
	I don't think you're too far gone, but it is a requirement.
	She might be too far gone.
	To change the actions moving forward.
	Can I ask you a question?
	There is redemption.
	There might be redemption for her.
	Is it hard for Manny to get over the fact that you've slept with nine people?
	Yes.
	Do you think that's a little hypocritical considering his past?
	No, because I think it was hard for him to get over my past, just like it was hard for me to get over his.
	It was a big struggle for a long time when he told me, I don't know, none of you have gotten married before, but you expect your.
	You've been married, have you not?
	I was.
	Sorry if you didn't want to speak about it.
	It's okay.
	I apologize.
	Yeah.
	I don't want to talk about it.
	But you go to your wedding night.
	She just outed me.
	Oh, so sorry.
	I was like, shit, I shouldn't have to say that.
	I'm just going to ask about it because it was in the notes that I listed in there.
	So I might tap in a little bit, but.
	Keep going, Becca.
	Go ahead.
	But you go to your wedding night and your husband literally can't get it up for you.
	Do you know how that feels?
	That must be really hard.
	Do you know how that feels to go, this is my day?
	I'm like all dulled up.
	This is our day.
	And he's struggling with this so much that he's having ED and can't get it up for me.
	So no, it was not easy.
	It was not an easy few years.
	And we swept it under the rug for years because I didn't want this to be my reality.
	I didn't want to, you know, for this to be my story.
	I didn't grow up thinking, oh, I'm going to start a non-profit to help people overcome porn addictions.
	Absolutely not.
	I felt called by God in that moment when he said, I need help with this.
	It's like, this sucks for me.
	And I'm dealing with a lot of how it makes me feel.
	But I want to be there to help other people get through this because I know it's tearing a lot of people apart.
	So it was hard for him, just like it was hard for me with dealing with his stuff.
	So it goes both ways.
	You know, nobody's a perfect person.
	And you have to.
	And you're going to make me cry.
	At least that way you went get an STJ.
	It's definitely like a difficult situation to go through, but it's good that you guys know that you're not alone and that you guys are going to be able to do that.
	I know she said, I know she brought up the fact that I was married.
	So let's just say I was actually in a pretty serious relationship, filled out marriage license and everything like that.
	Kind of got married.
	It was really weird.
	I just don't really want to touch on how serious we were.
	But it was a relationship that I was in for two years.
	And not once did we have sex throughout that whole time because that was a friendship.
	Jesus.
	It was.
	Were you waiting?
	Were you waiting until together not?
	So throughout those two years, not once did we have sex.
	And you were going to marry him?
	It's.
	People do that.
	Manny and I did not have sex before we got married.
	Oh, yeah.
	We had had sex with other people, but we were waiting to have sex with each other.
	I did not have sex.
	Yeah, I just want to clarify that.
	I wouldn't be able to do that.
	I was openly, like, I mean, I was committed to him, and this was someone that I thought I was married, marrying.
	So I was like, yeah, you know what?
	Let's try it.
	Not like probably twice out of our whole relationship did we ever do anything.
	And I thought it was, I thought it was a mental, not a mental condition, but a medical condition.
	Like, hey, like, what's going on?
	And I thought it was me.
	I thought it was everything else.
	And it wasn't until it was in November of last year, I was actually, I was like, okay, no, something's up.
	Because I would talk to my friends about it.
	And they were chirping in my ear and they were like, Jade, no, something's like, something's wrong.
	And so I went through the Wi-Fi router because I was using all the bills.
	I went through the Wi-Fi router.
	I went through my phone.
	And he was actually severely addicted to porn.
	He even got to the point where he was using my own credit cards to buy OnlyFans.
	And I was like, oh, that's so cute.
	Wait, is this like you slash his tie?
	Wait, no, I was going to say, this one, I was more mature.
	I just got my stuff and walked out of the relationship.
	What age were you at?
	So this was last November, so recently.
	Okay.
	This was on Thanksgiving, by the way.
	Wow.
	Oh, fuck.
	Yeah, it's super fun, super dope.
	If I found out earlier in the relationship, I would be 10 times more open to actually genuinely working it out.
	I mean, I love you.
	I want to marry you under God.
	100%, let me sit down next to you and help you.
	I would.
	However, he saw me so many times sit next to him and be like, please, like, something's going on.
	I don't feel like I'm missing something.
	Please help me.
	Like, come on, let's fix it.
	And he would lie to my face straight up.
	He'd be like, I don't know what's wrong with me.
	I don't know what's going on.
	I need to go make a doctor's appointment.
	I went and I set the doctor's appointment for him.
	And he would go in and he would not, he would like miss the doctor's appointments.
	And then I would get a call on the phone saying, like, hey, insurance is being like, hey, you need to pay the no-show fee.
	And I'm like, why are you?
	He knew what was wrong with him the whole time.
	He knew.
	I feel like that's also just like a very, very hard thing to disclose to anyone, no matter how close you are.
	I mean, any addiction.
	It doesn't even have to be porn addiction.
	No offense.
	It's embarrassing.
	It's an embarrassing thing.
	It's funny.
	It's shameful.
	That's why people don't really talk about it and stuff.
	I don't know.
	It kind of makes sense why people don't disclose that.
	But at the same time, some of you guys are calling it.
	It's the not being told about it.
	Yeah.
	That's a lot of women that feels like there's a side of this person that you've never seen.
	You know what I'm saying?
	And now, looking back on it, I mean, I know I jumped into another relationship or talking stage or whatever the hell I'm in so quickly.
	However, it's not necessarily that I miss him because the whole time I wasn't getting my needs met, whether it was sexually, emotionally, physically, whatever.
	I wasn't getting my needs met.
	It's more of like I'm grieving like a like a friendship, but the friendship was like fake, built on lies.
	So I was up.
	You said that you were dating a guy, was it for two years and you didn't have sex ever?
	We had sex like twice.
	Towards the beginning.
	Towards the beginning and then stopped.
	Stopped.
	Yes.
	And then you discovered he was just watching a bunch of gay porn?
	Was it porn?
	Gay porn, straight porn, everything.
	Oh, yeah.
	Everything.
	You didn't reveal that it was gay porn he was watching.
	Because that's in the notes, I think.
	Yes, it is.
	He was watching.
	How did you know he was watching you?
	So I looked at his computer.
	I unhacked our Wi-Fi router.
	Damn, that's something that's.
	You can see the history on the Wi-Fi routers.
	Yes.
	You can see the history on your bills.
	You can see the history on leave.
	Was he subscribing to a gay mail on YouTube?
	No, so he was not subscribing.
	It was like one accidental click.
	He accidentally clicked on some gay pornography.
	No, because it'll show you the router how long he was on the specific link.
	And he would watch my videos.
	And it would be like 30 minutes.
	I'd be like, no shit.
	You don't want to sleep next?
	I mean, you like that.
	I mean, he might have been gay.
	You guys had sex twice.
	I know.
	You dated him for how long?
	Two years.
	No offense.
	That's kind of on you.
	I'm baffled.
	That's what?
	That's kind of, not to be insensitive or whatever.
	That's kind of on you.
	Like, like, everybody says that.
	You stayed with him every time.
	Everybody says that.
	Everybody says that.
	That is a friendship.
	Right.
	One of my friends with one of my friends.
	What is it?
	I have no idea what that is about my brain, but when I get into a specific relationship or commitment or like we go on the first date, I will run it until the wheels fall off.
	Necessarily mean that the first date I'm in love with you.
	That's not what it means.
	It's just you're just committing him.
	I'm committed immediately.
	Let's get a couple chats and we'll come back to that story though.
	I do want to come back to that.
	We have Marcus David 1794.
	Hey, thank you, man.
	Appreciate it.
	This is our first time seeing you in the chat.
	Thank you for your patronage, man.
	Appreciate it.
	I'm surprised by the straightforwardness and the easiness she states these facts.
	Just wow, I believe this is directed to awards.
	I certainly give you credit for your, as I already stated, your willingness to just be open about this stuff.
	Brixton's flannel donated $100.
	Thank you, man.
	There is a 0% chance you got that information from the Wi-Fi router unless you became DNS.
	No, Wi-Fi router doesn't store DNS.
	Straight cap.
	Isn't there something, though, if you have access, if you know somebody's somebody's your Wi-Fi, can't you intercept what the internet traffic is?
	You can.
	Oh, no, I'm not.
	I just did it.
	And if you want the screenshots, I got you.
	Yo, Brixton's flannel.
	I will.
	Should I do something to put on the flannel right now?
	I don't know.
	You got to see the flannel.
	You're not edging me with this flannel.
	Brixton's flannel.
	Send another chat.
	You can pick the color.
	I got blue.
	I have black.
	I've got red.
	I have another red.
	And I got like a green.
	Let me know which one you want to see.
	I'll put it on.
	I'll put it on for the rest of the show.
	Thank you.
	Oh, I'll leave it up to him.
	Maybe he likes the blue.
	He thinks it brings out the color of my eyes.
	You never know.
	It seems like he has a preoccupation with me.
	So, okay.
	Oh, Nick, pull up the Twitch.
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	Okay, let's get into some more of our pre-show notes here that you guys provided.
	I think we did everything.
	We got everything from.
	Oh, really quick.
	I think you said on the body count thing, like, oh, a guy who has a high body count, it's hypocritical if he wants a girl with a low body count.
	I disagree.
	And I disagree.
	Now, I don't think it's good for anybody to be promiscuous or have a high body count, right?
	I don't think it's good for men.
	I don't think it's good for women.
	However, if a man has accrued a higher body count, let's say, I think it's totally fine if he recognizes that the optimum dating choice would be to date someone who has a low body count or who's a virgin.
	I don't object to that at all.
	And it doesn't make him hypocritical because, for example, need you desire a trait in order to desire said trait in your partner.
	What do you mean?
	What was the question again?
	Hold on.
	I got you.
	So, in order for you to desire a trait in a partner, do you need to describe said trait?
	I feel like I desire similar things to my previous partners.
	Or I have the traits.
	Like, you know, like not opposites attract, like, you know what I mean?
	I don't know how to explain it.
	Here's what occurs to me, right?
	Is that women desire traits in men that they don't possess themselves?
	So I don't think, now it would be hypocritical, for example, if a guy said, I think promiscuity is disgusting, but then they are promiscuous themselves.
	Or if they were outwardly judgmental of a promiscuous woman, but they themselves engaged in promiscuity.
	But if a man, for example, he had slept with, he's in his he's 30 and he slept with 40 women.
	Again, I don't not recommending you do that, but let's say he did.
	I don't object to him saying, well, I would like to date a woman who's a virgin or who's slept with less than five people.
	But why would he want that?
	Because he realizes that's going to be an optimal partner for him.
	So despite his lack, the lack of his own low body count, it doesn't make him a hypocrite.
	It would be a hypocrite if he says, if he was, his actions were, for example, well, I'm negatively judging your behavior, but I engage in said behavior.
	But desiring a trait in a partner that you do not, for example, having a low body count.
	I get what you're saying, but a lot of these men that have a high body count and want a woman with a low body count don't recognize that they shouldn't have a high body count.
	They're still promiscuous, they're still cheating, they're still fucking around, they're still doing all these things that they shouldn't be doing.
	Well, we can also approach this from another angle.
	So there's a biological and evo-psych reason for why men find non-promiscuity in women attractive and desirable that doesn't exist in women.
	But so I would argue, even a guy who's actively promiscuous, he may very well still find sexually pure or low body count women attractive.
	Are you sexually?
	Yeah, they want them at home in the kitchen fixing up sandwiches while they're out with these other promiscuous women and cheating with other promiscuous women.
	And again, I'm not making the case that men should be promiscuous, but for example, if a man had a body count of 20, for example, I don't object to him wanting to date a woman with a low body count.
	Yeah, of course.
	Low body count under 10 or low body count under 5.
	He could want a virgin if he.
	That's totally fine.
	That's totally fine.
	That's why I feel like it's hypocritical.
	No, it's not hypocritical.
	Let me ask you a question.
	Let me ask you a question.
	Let me ask you a question, though.
	Let me ask you a clarifying question.
	Do you think it's hypocritical for a woman who's not funny to desire a man who's funny?
	Yes, because then she can become funny.
	But how many?
	I would argue that you ask most women.
	Most women will say, I find men who can make me laugh attractive.
	I find that attractive.
	I think it is because they're not functioning.
	Hold on, hold on.
	What if they lack the capacity to be humorous or to make their partner laugh?
	Are they wrong?
	Are they hypocrites for finding humor attractive in a partner?
	And I would say no.
	Morals and humor are two completely different things, though.
	Honestly, I feel like it is.
	I'm not even looking at it from that framework.
	If they're two different people, they're not going to be compatible.
	Oh, I disagree.
	I disagree.
	I don't think that's necessarily true.
	woman need not be funny to desire a man who's humorous or funny and i don't think that now she should she perhaps ought to have a sense of humor That's something different, though.
	Because you can have a sense of humor.
	That's your ability to perhaps detect humor.
	It doesn't mean you're going to be funny, but you might certainly recognize humor in somebody else.
	I could give you other examples.
	A woman wants a man who's charismatic, but maybe she's not charismatic herself.
	She wants a man who's chivalrous, but she's not chivalrous herself.
	She wants a man who's tall, but she's not tall.
	She wants a man who's traditional, but she's not traditional.
	She wants a man who's dominant, but she's not dominant.
	What you're stating, though, are physical attributes.
	For example, tall.
	Being funny.
	No, being charismatic.
	You're either born funny or you're born not funny.
	Well, that's arguable.
	However, having, depending on the people that you sleep with, or, for example, what was the other thing you said?
	You said sleep with.
	Anyways, sleeping with someone.
	Sleeping with someone is a choice.
	A choice that you make that can reflect back on your reflect back onto your morals.
	It's not, oh my gosh, he's tall.
	I'm short.
	I want to talk.
	It's different.
	Reflecting on morals, it's the way you think, the way you talk, the way you act, the way you make your choices.
	It's not, oh, this person's tall, but I'm short.
	I want that person.
	That's a physical type.
	I feel like a body count is more of a mental type.
	That's how you connect with someone.
	And you can't connect with someone if you don't have the same values or the same morals.
	Personally.
	I suppose if you're looking at it through the lens of this moral framework, I'm simply looking at it.
	Candidance has donated $100.
	It is hypocritical because their actions are directly contributing to the lack of other men being able to achieve the same thing.
	Well, I mean, that's another conversation.
	So you have men who say, well, women with a high body count is bad, or having a high body count is bad, but if they're engaging in casual sex with women, adding to their high body count, but that's another conversation.
	That, too, you have a point when you're saying that, though, when, like, okay, well, if he's fucking around with other girls and stuff, and then it's like, oh, but you have to have a low body count, but I'm going to still have sex with other women.
	Like, that's their actions, you know, but it's like, okay, well, I've had, you know, a big body count.
	You know, I've met with a lot of women, but I'm not anymore.
	And, you know, and, you know, it's if you have a low body count, then that's what I want, you know.
	And at the end of the day, it's his opinion.
	And, you know, I just, I feel like it's just well, there's a couple levels to it.
	So we're having, if we're having a conversation about hypocrisy, again, I don't think it's hypocritical for a man to, if he has a high body count, 20, 30, 40, to it's not hypocritical to desire a woman with a low body count.
	Then the other conversation is, well, it's hypocritical if you're saying that, but then you're still fucking around with other women and you expect her to not, you know, but the other conversation, putting hypocrisy to the side is, well, should a man, is he wrong for desiring a partner with a low body count or a woman who's a virgin if he himself has had 10, 20, 30 sexual partners?
	No, I don't feel like so.
	If the answer is no, you know, but a lot of people would object to that and say, well, if as a man, if you've slept with 30 women, you have no business dating a woman who's a virgin.
	And again, I object to that because, and you're saying like you're looking at it from a moral framework, but I'm looking at it from a much more simplistic way.
	And that is people are allowed to desire traits in a partner that they themselves do not possess.
	And women do this frequently where they want a man who's rich, but they're not rich.
	They want a professional athlete, but they're not a professional athlete.
	They want a man who's high status, but they have no status.
	I'm just going to say, as someone with a lower, with a lower body count, I would never consider someone who from her end.
	That's totally fine.
	Don't object to that at all.
	If a woman doesn't want to date a guy because of his past promiscuity or he has a body, that's totally acceptable.
	But I'm just, I don't think it's as important to women.
	And I certainly don't object to the only way I would concede that we should object to men who perhaps have a high body count desiring women with low body counts is if we start objecting to poor poor women wanting rich men and unfunny women wanting fun.
	Like you're allowed to desire, both men and women are allowed to desire traits in a partner that they themselves do not possess.
	That's the whole basis of my argument.
	I also think the asymmetry and wanting body counts just stems from the fact that there's differences in male and female sexuality.
	And I think that that's one of the biggest lies, whether you want to call it feminism or just like modern gender role cultures, which is the idea that men and women are the same.
	It's like the 50 Shades of Great Culture in the sense that women, I think that that's a very like masculine interpretation of sexuality and women are pushed to that because we say men and women are more or less the same.
	So that's why I think when you see that asymmetry, that it's more normal for guys to want women with lower body counts because I think the way women attach to guys when they sleep with them is very, very different than men can sleep with a bunch of women and not really have any emotional attachment to them.
	I agree with you.
	However, it comes down to when people started thinking like that, what went up?
	The divorce rates.
	Before that, what were men when they were getting married?
	The reversions.
	I think it's from a moral standpoint.
	70s and up, 60s and up.
	The rise of what you said earlier was the feminist movement and things like that.
	Birth control, normalization.
	I'm just saying birth control, I think, was the main impetus that made female sexuality more similar to male sexuality because you didn't have to worry really about getting pregnant.
	And I no disrespect to what you guys do, but if the pill hadn't been invented, you guys probably wouldn't have a job or you'd have a lot of kids.
	I think we do a lot of thoughts.
	Thank you.
	Not enough characters to explain how the Aussie model works.
	But DNS is external to the Wi-Fi network, and I doubt she's got the tech skills to reverse an IP address.
	She's a snobby.
	Yo, thank you, man.
	I don't know.
	Maybe she's like some hardcore hacker, fucking anonymous type shit, and she's, you know, hacking.
	Oh, we gotta.
	She's got girls when they want something.
	Like a scorn moment.
	Grid one motion.
	Yeah, thank you, guys.
	Chastity has never been a factor in a man's value.
	It has always been a factor in a woman's value.
	Men and women are not the same.
	A man's high body count is not a predictor for cheating or divorce.
	I think that's where people are getting me confused.
	And I'm sorry if I came off this way.
	Not necessarily value.
	Men don't have to have chastity for value.
	I think it's for a woman, a girl who also is a virgin.
	I think it is more, they're more compatible if they both have the chastity.
	Not necessarily like, oh, it doesn't matter.
	I don't look at a guy and I'm like, oh, okay, he has 50 bodies.
	That's disgusting.
	No, I don't judge him for that.
	However, if he comes to me and tells me, I have 50 bodies, I'm going to be like, okay, we're a little bit less compatible than I thought we were previously.
	Good times.
	He knows what he's doing.
	Good times.
	Let me get a couple chats here.
	We have Nickelodeon.
	Angsty chick, how many Evan Evans, Evan, oh my God, Evanescence song lyrics do you have memorized?
	I feel like you might enjoy pain.
	What the fuck?
	Why do you chicks obsess over these kind of men?
	Who's he talking about?
	Who's the moody angsty?
	Yeah, she's the angsty.
	Who's the angsty girl?
	Probably me.
	Is that you?
	It has to be.
	I mean, I'm the only one with black hair.
	It's long black hair.
	My chemical romance.
	My little actually a lot.
	I love rock music, so.
	Oh, okay.
	I'm going to signal.
	Evanescence songs.
	No, I like more deaf tones, which is.
	Yeah, more deaf tones coming around.
	Yeah, thank you, Nickelodeon.
	Appreciate it.
	Got Marcus David.
	Hey, thank you, man.
	All of these women, including the fallacy of religion, she's still, what?
	Still a okay already know their value and most importantly their depreciation.
	They desire things they don't deserve or possess an incel.
	You tell them, Annie.
	Tell him.
	I think also about our industry.
	That's what porn teaches is they're objects.
	They're not worth anything.
	They're just for play and then you throw them out and it's just terrible.
	And I just wanted to say God, God can redeem any situation.
	I didn't get to go on the body count thing and I just wanted to go for a second.
	But you know, the Lord can redeem any situation.
	When I was in my early 20s, you know, I was thinking of the self-delete option and had one moment of strength and courage, went back home.
	My dad saw me.
	He showed me love and kept going and eventually got that degree, met Becca.
	You know, we made a lot of money.
	We traveled all around the world.
	You know, we've made beautiful children.
	And now we get to start this organization.
	It's a beautiful thing.
	And I think to answer the body count question straightforward, you know, I was of the legalist mindset of I want to please God so I can just go as close as I can to this line as I can.
	So I said, I'm not having sex.
	I'm just going to make out with girls.
	I'm just going to make out with girls.
	And then I start watching more and more porn.
	And then it's, well, they're having fun, so I should have fun too.
	So on the second girl that I have sex with, I have a rash downstairs.
	And all of a sudden, I'm in Planned Parenthood and I'm sitting there and I'm sitting with these old men who got all types of things going on, and these pregnant teenage mothers, and it's the saddest place you know you ever go.
	And I just prayed to God and I said God, if you can heal this, take anything you want.
	And I went back there, dropped the pants, they checked and they go.
	You have mollescum.
	And I'm like what's that?
	Like well, it's a skin rash.
	Like okay, like what, how long do I have to live?
	And they go.
	They go, um no, it's just, it's, just a skin rash, like it's fine, like we just put some cream on, it's okay.
	And I go, oh, my goodness, it's amazing.
	But here's what else was amazing, the Lord did answer the prayer because he goes.
	The thing about it is you can't touch anybody for like six months and you can't shave your body.
	And I worked at a restaurant where I had to be clean shaven.
	So in that moment I lost my job, I lost my ability to be with women, I lost my ability to play basketball and work out and all of these things.
	And then I'm like driving home, like at least I still got my house.
	I walk in the front door, my roommate's brother's in there.
	He's like, dude, what's up?
	We're having a party.
	Come on in.
	I'm like, what are we celebrating?
	He's like, we're moving in, you're moving out and his dad, who was the landlord, kicked us out.
	So in all that I lose all of those things.
	But what was amazing about it is I say God, you know, I know you're working in this and I long story short, you know met Becca after that, after I started turning my life around, and what a journey Becca and I have been on.
	But the story of the stories of redemption that we've heard and you know, I'm sorry Brian, for going on the long monologue real quick, one more minute, oh no, but there was a tech thing that I was.
	I wasn't signing, I wasn't talking about your story guys.
	You know this, this idea of money being the most important thing in the world.
	You know we made tons and tons and tons of money.
	I remember being in Amsterdam getting off stage from a TED talk and going to get 10 beers, three blunts, thinking about a fourth, going to jerk off, and it's like I've won the game of life.
	I have everything that I could ever have and I'm still searching for more and more and more, and we think a lot of times God doesn't want us to experience joy, but he does.
	He wants to experience this.
	His way and my way was leading to death and destruction, and his way was leading to life.
	And just getting to be here and to share how the Lord has changed our lives, how we've been able to make this impact, to just share that any story can be redeemed, that anytime you want to talk, you know you could hit us up and say hey, I just want to talk about whatever.
	We would be there for you and I say that to anybody you know it's but I just want to always let you know you can never run too far.
	Lord will always be there.
	I love you guys.
	Like you guys are angels.
	This podcast, I know Not to be the best.
	I am.
	Not to be.
	You can't.
	I suppose.
	They do.
	You can get redemption, right?
	Yeah.
	However, however, I don't think that's a good idea.
	Question for Manny here.
	Question for Manny, because I think you're a bit more versed when it comes to religion and stuff.
	So certainly, like, when it comes to God, she can redeem redemption 100%, right?
	But do you think, like, does a guy, like, let's say a Christian guy is like looking to date a woman?
	Like, I don't know.
	Would he want to...
	I think the guy can still have discretion, right, with who he dates.
	And maybe her past, despite her redemption...
	To preclude or not.
	You know, we often think there's good people in the world and bad people in the world.
	The only people who need to go to hell, Hitler, and the other person who I'm not going to say.
	And if you think about it, Stalin, but when we think about it.
	That's what got Natalie in trouble.
	But when we think about it, it's like the analogy my dad told me.
	You know, we take a good person.
	YouTube, I'm joking.
	Don't cancel me.
	Okay.
	Sorry, continue.
	No, man.
	But I was saying, you know, we often think there's good people, bad people.
	We have this moral relativism.
	And in my belief, my dad said it best with the analogy of the brownies.
	You know, we have a good person the world sees, and we have someone like a Hitler.
	And it's almost like if I was making brownies and I get the best chocolate, best sugar, best flour, and I'm making them.
	And we're all hungry because Brian keeps us here for 18 hours and filming this podcast.
	But we're all hungry, we're all excited.
	So I'm making them, and I go, hey, I just got one last thing I'm going to add in here.
	On the good person, I'm just going to add in a little bit of poop into these brownies.
	And the bad person, I'm adding in a lot.
	Hold on, hold on.
	That's a different fetish.
	Now I know.
	So I put the brownies in and I bake them and I bring them out.
	And we go, all right, who's ready to eat?
	And everyone goes, what is going on?
	We're not eating the poop brownies.
	What are you talking about?
	We throw those things out.
	And when we think about, I'm a good person, I'm a better person.
	I'm better than you.
	I'm better.
	No, we are all sinful people.
	We have all gone against God.
	And you can never run too far from his love.
	He will always be there.
	And I just want everyone to.
	Absolutely.
	And I'll tell you what, you know, you're kind of fucking it up.
	Sorry.
	But, you know, the biggest thing is, you know, the Lord, you know, when he sent his son on the cross to die for us for our sins, you know, all he asks is we repent of our sins.
	We ask him to be a Lord and Savior and we commit our lives to Christ.
	And the Lord.
	Marcos David, $1,794 donated $100.
	You can get redemption, but sin does not get erased.
	Also, you girls don't have moral quality to justify your positions.
	Also, this guy with the colorful shirt is the actual himself.
	PD love the hoodie.
	PDF is a good idea.
	PD.
	The man's like.
	He's married.
	Hello.
	That doesn't even make.
	Oh, we got another one coming through.
	Girl in the green shirt that caught her man on the Wi-Fi router.
	How did you reverse search the IP addresses?
	Someone wants to know.
	We need a tutorial.
	No, she does.
	She's a cyber screen.
	She's a hacker.
	So, in all honesty, I wasn't the one who actually did it.
	I hired someone to come over and do it.
	Oh, okay.
	The truth has come out.
	So the truth has come out.
	I'm not the smart one.
	This is a man.
	It was a man.
	It was a man.
	Patriarchy strikes again.
	How much did you have to pay?
	It was like literally just 20 bucks.
	I picked up the guy's best buyer.
	Hacker man.
	He like got off the bottom.
	He's a fan buy off like Craigslist.
	Not even.
	I literally.
	Is it a black hat or white hat hacker?
	I don't even know.
	Okay, never mind.
	Okay.
	I don't know where I'm going with that.
	The best buy.
	Yeah, I just watched it the best way.
	I know.
	Manny, did you want to wrap up your.
	I'm sorry, that kind of threw me off where I was.
	Oh, okay.
	Maybe if it'll come back.
	Sure, sure, sure.
	We have a chat here from Chris Blakeman.
	Hey, thank you, man.
	Chris, I think this is your first chat here.
	Appreciate your patronage.
	Make a mashup video of Madison's crazy face reactions and mouthing Brian's words.
	That would be fire.
	Get Adam Carolla on your new love line.
	He would be down, I bet.
	He rubs elbows with the Daily Wire.
	I would love to have Adam Carolla on the show.
	When I was young, he used to do his Loveline show, which was like a radio show.
	Was it every night of the week, pretty much, or a couple times a week?
	And so that'd be pretty cool.
	Adam Carolla is super funny, so I'd maybe try to get that set up.
	Okay, let me see if we have other chats.
	We do have Stiffler here.
	Stiffler, or excuse me, the Stiff Meister.
	Stiff Meister.
	Adam Meister, maybe yes.
	He wants to ask.
	Ask everyone to rate their looks on a scale of one to ten.
	Oh, yeah.
	Jesus, I almost fucked up.
	Okay.
	Go ahead.
	We'll go around the table, starting with you.
	Go ahead.
	Looks, physical looks, physical looks.
	Like a six.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	10 out of 10.
	Okay.
	69.
	Why do you guys do this?
	Have you guys noticed throughout the show?
	The girls.
	Well, feel like that's like, we'll call that titties.
	My shoulders hurt.
	We might must have a little bit of a ticket.
	How cringe would it be?
	My tits do not move.
	How cringe would it be?
	God gave you Morocco so you can shake it.
	Look at that.
	Dirty dancing.
	That's fucking disgusting.
	I want to go home.
	Okay, so out of 10, though, give us the one to out of 10.
	10 and a half.
	Is that how math works?
	Okay, I'm going to say you said 6.5, 10, 10.
	I said 6.
	Right now, right now, maybe like a 5, but when I get ready and I'm actually ready to go out, maybe like a 6 or something.
	Wait, so you're saying you didn't get ready for a breakfast.
	You're ready for the whatever podcast?
	That's kind of fucking rude.
	Oh, you go out for the girls' night out, but you come to the whatever podcast.
	I was planning on putting my tan on.
	I wanted to go get my nails done.
	I had a lip filler appointment booked.
	I was ready to go.
	You don't like lip fillers.
	That's not good.
	I don't really.
	I love lip fillers.
	Okay.
	So when you're so five now, and then five now, and then when I actually get ready to go out, and I want to, or not want to, but I actually try very hard to look good.
	When you get iglamom.
	When I get my glam on, it's like a six or a seven.
	Okay.
	Natalie?
	Like a seven.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	Like a seven.
	Yeah.
	Usually an eight, but being so pregnant, I don't feel like it's a good one.
	Oh, go away.
	Pregnant man.
	Look at that scant hunky.
	Manny, what about you?
	Scale of one to ten.
	I'm going to say a seven, eight.
	Okay.
	I'm going to throw in the middle.
	Your hands are behind.
	You look a little bit like Cillian Murphy.
	Have you gotten the hyperbole?
	$300.
	We're talking looks, ladies, not triggering the Richter scale.
	What does that mean?
	The Richter scale?
	Isn't that a vibrant screen?
	Super 9,000.
	Thank you, Nickelodeon.
	Appreciate it.
	What about you, Brian?
	Yeah, I'll answer.
	Manny, you are a handsome man.
	I'd say the actor, though.
	You guys see it?
	Do you see it Cillian?
	Cillian Murphy?
	I don't know who that is.
	It was Hillian Murphy, is it not?
	Right.
	Hillian Pickering.
	I thought it was Hillian.
	He's the one from Peaky Blind.
	He's Jerry and my wife.
	He's from Baud.
	Peaky Blinder.
	Never seen that.
	A little bit.
	Yeah, I see it.
	That's a handsome one.
	I rate myself.
	I'm currently a five because I've got a dad bog right now.
	I need to lose a bit of weight.
	I'll get back to a six, and then if I get really fit, I think I can hit seven.
	If I'm like jacked and get a six back, I can get back there.
	I used to be very fit in my younger days, unfortunately.
	In and out burger.
	I could show you some photos, but we'll do it.
	We'll do not that.
	I've actually, I've never sent a nude photograph ever.
	Good.
	I don't think men should send dicks.
	I've never sent a nude photo before.
	Did I just face in it?
	I do.
	Wait, so okay.
	We got the two tens here at the table.
	Look at my teeth.
	Look at my skin.
	This is all my hair.
	I think I'm beautiful.
	Yeah.
	I'm watching you, Bri.
	All right, you want me to humble myself?
	Nine.
	Okay.
	Does that make you happy?
	I'll humble myself for you.
	You're a ton.
	Well, you said you can't walk it back now.
	That'd be shifting the goalpost.
	So we got two tens here.
	Hubris, don't you think it's a bit of hubris, you know, to say you're a 10?
	You know?
	A little modesty, never hurt anybody, you know?
	Self-love is what I'm all about.
	Oh, you could self-love and like have a sort of objective self-assessment or reasonable self-assessment of your own physical attractiveness.
	I believe in confidence.
	What if I were to rephrase the question?
	Somebody recently messaged me and said, Brian, you should ask the question as it is, but then rephrase it a different way.
	So, just for you two, one of the many ways we evaluate potential partners is by their physical appearance or physical attractiveness.
	I'm sure you could agree.
	So, how do you think the dating marketplace would rate your physical attractiveness on a scale of one to ten?
	Well, everybody is different.
	So, people like.
	So, you had a cross-section of men, 10,000.
	The majority of men would rate me maybe an eight.
	Yeah.
	I feel like I'd probably be rated like a seven or eight, but I feel like I'm a ten, so I mean, you know, I'm gonna humble myself, you know.
	But I feel like I take good care of myself.
	I barely wear any makeup.
	All I got is mascara.
	I take good care of my hair.
	Why did your answer shift when?
	Because they said rate your looks, rate their looks, not what you think a guy would rate you.
	That's what Stipmeister said.
	Right, but it's sort of like if 100,000 people tell you, for example, if you average it out, they give you a seven, for example.
	Wouldn't it stand to reason that that, in all likelihood, is very likely that that's your maybe.
	I've never like did a poll.
	Or would you disregard the 100,000 men who have just given you an average?
	Well, I disregard that.
	I still view myself as a 10 because I believe I'm among the most beautiful women to have ever existed, basically.
	I want to say one of the most beautiful.
	I think the most beautiful is Beyonce.
	But you can't compare them to each other.
	Everyone's beautiful.
	We're talking about average women.
	You're beautiful.
	Everyone's beautiful.
	I'm a five.
	It's okay.
	Thank you.
	It's okay.
	Everyone's beautiful.
	Do you think Beyonce is more attractive than you?
	Hell yeah.
	Well, how can you be a 10 then?
	Because I'm not Beyonce.
	I'm Andrea.
	And Andrea is a 10.
	But just looks.
	But okay, but if you can at least admit that there's a woman who's more attractive than you, then how do you come to the conclusion that you're a 10 out of 10?
	Because she comes in different looks.
	All different shapes and sizes and colors, Brian.
	Come on now.
	Well, perhaps there's a differential there, but you just said that Beyoncé's, despite the fact that she's a different race than you, you just said that she's more attractive than you despite her race.
	Beyonce.
	Yeah, everybody's beautiful.
	Everybody's beautiful?
	Everybody's beautiful in their own way.
	I feel like all women are beautiful.
	Good guy.
	I probably wouldn't.
	I don't need $100.
	Respect to Green Shirt, Girl, for finally being on the sincerely.
	Thank you, Brixton's flannel.
	Appreciate it.
	Wait, okay, so don't you think it's a little delusional, you know, to say I'm a 10?
	You know, a little modesty, a little modesty, a little, you know, I'm very confident.
	And I'm not sure.
	Wouldn't the confident thing be to say, I am a seven myself.
	I'm a seven and I own it.
	If I believe that I was a seven, then you.
	But so you believe in your heart of hearts that you are a 10 out of 10 in terms of your physical appearance.
	Yep.
	Question for you.
	Are you wearing color contacts?
	No.
	Oh, those are not.
	Okay.
	Hazel.
	She was a C.
	Oh, wow.
	That Hazel.
	Yeah.
	I had plastic surgery done.
	Really?
	Does that have any plastic?
	Yeah.
	That's why I rate myself a 10.
	Have you guys had filler or anything?
	I think they're real.
	No filler?
	I think that's a good idea.
	No, they're not.
	It's gone now.
	No Botox.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Fact checkers may dispute.
	I'm getting that.
	You think I have Botox?
	Oh, no, I think the 10 rating is what she was.
	In your eyes, maybe.
	Do you guys, so because you guys are a 10, do you feel like you deserve a guy who's a 10?
	I've dated guys that are oh Fives.
	But when you date a guy who's a five, do you feel like you're kind of settling for him?
	Not at all.
	Oh, but you're a 10, so why should you be with a five if you're a 10?
	Because I date people for their art.
	Really?
	Yeah.
	But you see, both of you objected to you, you both made a mention of like having an issue when you're, it's a little different, but if your boyfriend cheated with a woman who is uglier, like what, but so you brought looks like.
	I want him to cheat with someone that's prettier.
	No, but you question like, why do these men always cheat with ugly women?
	So like you do sort of view things in like a physical attractiveness lens to some degree.
	Yeah, you're right.
	I do.
	You are right.
	You got me there.
	I ain't going to cap.
	You got me there, Brian.
	Honestly, I didn't really answer that question.
	I directed that.
	You answered it the same thing.
	Yeah, that's the amount of us because I didn't really know.
	Wait, okay, here's another question.
	Going around the table, related to the one to 10 thing.
	Do you think you will be more physically attractive in 10 years' time?
	Starting with you going around the table, go ahead.
	No.
	I think.
	So you're 25?
	Aging like fine wine.
	I think it just depends.
	I follow this one lady on Instagram and she's 65 and she is beautiful.
	And she still had the same body.
	No, I'm not even kidding.
	I could pull her up.
	She does not even look 65, but I think it's because she gets filler.
	You got a horse.
	Is someone laughing like that or is that like much?
	That's how eyelash seems to be.
	You done?
	Yes.
	That was pretty much.
	Look, you can still be, I'm not saying you can't be physically attractive when you get older.
	35 isn't even old.
	I think you're 35.
	34.
	35.
	Oh.
	Do you think the 65-year-old or whatever was more attractive at 25?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	I mean, yeah, obviously with age, because then people get old and wrinkly and blah blah blah blah.
	But not 10 years, probably like 25 more years.
	Well, so to answer the question, though, will you be more physically attractive in 10 years?
	Yes.
	So you'll be more physically attractive at 35 than you are now at 25.
	Yes.
	What about in 20 years?
	Probably not, because you're probably getting old.
	Well, why is there a differential?
	So you're saying that currently your looks are going like this, and then at some point it's going to go down.
	Yeah, I mean, you get older.
	Yeah, you know, wrinkles.
	But isn't it basically like my understanding when it comes to aging for both men and women when it comes to wrinkles and stuff?
	Now we can have a conversation of like, you know, gray fog or what, you know.
	There are some differences there, but my understanding is like you hit 18, 19, 20, and then like these signs, the actual signs, the biological signs of aging.
	Yeah, grown woman fine.
	18, 19, 20, that's like kid 21.
	After that, that's grown woman fine.
	Those are adults, but we're talking about just, no, but we're just talking, we're having a conversation about like the biological reality of aging.
	And you pretty much, I mean, 18, 19, 20, and then, you know, you start progressively getting wrinkles.
	There's changes to your skin.
	I feel like you start raising.
	I feel like I'm not at eight.
	38 is when you start wrinkling.
	Yeah, it just depends, I guess, you know, because like if you're, you know, had that melanin in your skin, then, you know, they don't really get as much wrinkles as like the Caucasian people.
	So it just depends.
	Like, you know, your genes play a part.
	Yeah.
	Your teeth play a big part.
	What's the peak of power for a man that age?
	What would you say?
	25.
	I'm pretty sure that's what we say.
	Yeah.
	But what would you say?
	25.
	And you and you and you and you.
	25.
	30.
	28.
	The peak for a man the age.
	Yeah.
	I would say like 30.
	Like 35.
	13.
	If we talk about FX, this is the peak physical appearance or are we talking about the physical physical appearance?
	Not this time.
	Okay.
	But no, just when I got a little salt and pepper coming into the beard I shaved today, you know?
	Is it when you're kind of like that much?
	It's okay.
	Or when that's peak, just women.
	No, I think men are a little bit older.
	Like 30.
	Well, there is a bit of a differential.
	So going back to you, though, will you be more physically attractive in 10 years?
	I'm going to make sure I stay beautiful.
	You may very well still be attractive in 10 years, but that's not the question.
	Yeah, so I'm going to try.
	Probably not, but I'm going to try my best.
	Okay, what about you?
	Five years from now, yes.
	Ten years from now, no.
	Natalie?
	No.
	I guess if I could take care of myself, then maybe, yeah.
	You'd only be 29 as well.
	So.
	Oh, that's true.
	That's not.
	I think, yeah.
	But so, okay, the question here is not.
	We're referring to the attractiveness of age and not other factors.
	So if you were your best weight and health at 25, you would be more attractive than your best weight and health at 35.
	You can't like, so it's you're conflating like this super unhealthy, overweight self at 25 to like this potential peak weight and health at 35.
	But if you compare, that's not an equal comparison.
	If you compare your peak self at 25 to your peak self at 35, I mean, I think it's the answer to this is undeniable, indisputable.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, I don't argue with that.
	Yeah, me neither.
	You're right.
	You're right, Brian.
	You want to debate?
	All right.
	Still tens?
	Still tens?
	Still tens.
	Okay, I'm going to keep pushing back a little bit then.
	Let's see.
	I'm trying to think where I go with this.
	With some chair.
	I'll tell you what I'm doing here, huh?
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	Thank you.
	Even Stevie Wonder can see Yala.
	High calorie 304s.
	The two meat balls need to chill the fuck out.
	Brian, Abdul is sending extra large rocks.
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	Get the rocks.
	Shots fired at the rocks.
	Get the rocks.
	Yeah, thank you, LP.
	Appreciate it.
	We have Marcus David.
	Somebody like shaking the table.
	I think it's all good.
	It's all good.
	Every man would rate you with whatever you'd want to hear, take you to bed, and then that's it.
	Prove it wrong.
	Let's see.
	Okay.
	Thank you, Marcus.
	david you guys have a response to this i have god they're real tonight I have a potential man That I could be in a relationship with So no Why aren't you No I don't feel like I'm ready for a relationship, but he does everything that a man would do for his girlfriend.
	Oh, okay.
	I'll tell you kind of why I push back on this is because do you guys want an average woman?
	Oh my God, what am I saying?
	Yeah, but they might be.
	They might go that way.
	Do you guys want an average man?
	Average, define average.
	An average man.
	Do you want an average man?
	Average looking?
	Sure.
	Average looking, just average, average.
	Do I want an average man?
	I would probably prefer someone.
	Well, not so average.
	Yes, I would like a 10 out of 10 woman who's a billionaire, sure.
	But whether I can get it or not, that's another question.
	Would you be, do you recognize that you may very well end up with an average man or have to?
	I want to say have to.
	Well, you don't, certainly you don't have to.
	You love who you love.
	That's what it comes down to at the end of the day.
	If he's average.
	Love is love.
	I mean, you think he's average maybe to the other person, but to me, I think he may be the hottest guy in the world.
	That doesn't mean everybody else is going to think that.
	Okay.
	So it's like, am I settling?
	No, because I love him.
	I think he's gorgeous.
	Love is blind.
	So an average man could be everything to someone that's in love.
	Okay.
	But there's just sort of the statistical reality.
	If we assume that most people are average or fall within the average, then aren't they, isn't it fair to say that they ought to partner up with somebody who is also average?
	No.
	Not necessarily.
	Well, this kind of, interestingly enough, goes back to our, the conversation about a guy with a high body count desiring a woman with a low body count.
	And what I see is a lot of average women don't want average men.
	So again, a lot of women desire traits and partners that they themselves possess.
	You have average women who are chasing after men who are quite frankly out of their league.
	And so my pushback on the whole self-assessment of being a 10 thing really just boils down to what I see as a major issue going on in the dating marketplace.
	Average women don't want average men.
	Average women think they're above average or a 10.
	Thus you have average women that are going to be chasing after exceptional or above average men.
	You have average women who are going to reject men who are commensurate to them in terms of their appearance or their social standing or social status.
	So you're going to reject the men who are actually on your level.
	If you happen to find yourself down the road in a relationship with this sort of man after you've perhaps attempted to chase after men who are outside of your league, you're going to ultimately end up having contempt for the men that you end up settling with.
	You're probably not going to be satisfied in the relationship because you're going to be pining for this exceptionally attractive guy who perhaps you got his divided attention.
	A lot of women get caught up in these situationships, friends with benefits, fuck buddies, one-night stand situations, fuck boys, whatever it may be.
	But you'd almost prefer having the divided attention of a hyper-attractive man because you can get his sexual attention.
	You're not going to get his romantic attention.
	You're not going to get his marriage attention.
	You're not going to get his relationship and commitment attention.
	Because there's a differential here.
	So as a man, if I can sleep with a girl, there's a pretty high likelihood that I can get her in a relationship.
	But you can't say the same in the reverse.
	Like if you can sleep with a guy, that doesn't mean you can necessarily get him into a relationship.
	So this is where women get into trouble.
	When you have the WAP, you could definitely, definitely get him into the relationship.
	Is that what you think gets you into a relationship?
	Not necessarily, but that's really...
	Well, I've never heard of that.
	You need to bring a lot more to the table than sex to get a man.
	Right, but you just cited your wet-ass pussy.
	I thought you said, no, yeah, I thought you were a WAP.
	I could get a man into a relationship if I try.
	You think so?
	Any man?
	No, I'm not saying any man, but if I really want to, I feel like I could, the majority.
	You think so?
	Okay.
	I mean, it's a bit of a delusional take.
	So you think that of the men that would sleep with you, you could get them all into, most of them or all of them into relationships?
	Majority.
	She smiled.
	She got 5,000 so far.
	anyways um it just occurs to me that like i got madison's number didn't i Well, here's a complaint that I hear from a lot of women.
	They're struggling to get commitment.
	They're in situationships.
	They get cheated on.
	And it does occur to me that perhaps, not all the time, but perhaps are these women, and I don't think women are fully beholden to their hypergamous nature, but are they chasing after men who are, quite frankly, out of their league?
	Me personally, I don't chase after men.
	Okay.
	You don't pursue men?
	No, never had to.
	We pursue her.
	Okay.
	Well, you're currently in a relationship, sort of.
	I mean, you were kind of vague about your relationship status, but.
	But what?
	Yeah, I don't pursue men.
	Men pursue me.
	Would I if I had to?
	Yes, and I think look, I think I've had enough experience to know who to go after.
	And when I see a fuckboy, I could tell.
	And I'm going to be going after the fuckboy.
	Here's a big difference, right?
	So, okay.
	As a man, if a man can have sex with a woman of a certain physical attractiveness level, that he would.
	I'm not saying all men do this, right?
	But there's enough out there where it can certainly present a problem in the dating marketplace.
	So a man will sleep with a woman, maybe even keep her around for casual sex, might even keep her around as a friends with benefits.
	But just based off of her looks, she will never get commitment.
	But that almost rarely happens the other way.
	And so what ends up happening, women can sleep outside of their league.
	As a guy, I can't sleep with women out of my league, like for casual sex.
	Like I can't, like, if I'm gonna just go for casual sex and I'm not inclined to do it, like I might, I'm going down.
	I'm looking down, right?
	Now, the girl I want to be in a relationship with, I want parity there.
	I want her to be on my level looks-wise, right?
	But like for a casual sexual encounter.
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	If it's so easy, call up Ombre and make it official.
	She said it out loud.
	She gets everything a girlfriend needs from a man without the relationship.
	Probably hitting dudes on the side.
	Sad.
	Is it true?
	I'm hitting dudes on the side.
	I don't know.
	I'm asking if it's true.
	I'm not hitting dudes on the side.
	I make most of my content is girl-girl content.
	Sure.
	Now, here's the difference.
	So for a, thank you, Nickelodeon.
	For a woman to shit, I'm trying to think the best way to articulate this.
	It's sort of like a little complex thought, but for a woman to have sex with a guy, typically, he needs to be at least physically attractive enough for her to see herself being in a relationship with him.
	But the same can't be said for men.
	Exactly.
	They go after the easy ones.
	Right.
	So, and so, but when a woman goes for casual sex, she might actually, she's going to like, okay, well, if I'm going to have casual sex, it's going to be with a really hot because it's the reverse with men.
	I want the women at the table to rate themselves in comparison to the lady in the first seat with Denny.
	Okay.
	And if above why?
	Feminine, cute, and realistic self-rating.
	We need more of it in society.
	Well, I mean, all the women have already rated their looks.
	I'm not sure.
	That's quite strange.
	They did already.
	I don't know if you were here when they already did the one to ten.
	I don't know.
	I mean, if you guys want it, you can.
	In comparison to the menu.
	I completely underrated yourself.
	They are just saying that Lillian is the hottest one.
	I guess they're saying Lily.
	That's what they're saying.
	I don't know if you look at her 20s.
	You underrated yourself, Lily.
	You're very beautiful.
	Thank you.
	But that's true.
	So.
	Where was I?
	I guess what I'm trying to say is that if you, and why I think it's important for women to have a realistic self-assessment of their own physical attractiveness in the dating marketplace, is if you've gassed yourself up to the point where you think you're perhaps more attractive than you actually are, you're perhaps going to chase men who you think are on your level, but actually are in actuality,
	in reality, objectively, are out of your league.
	They'll never give you commitment.
	You're going to spend your 20s jumping from next exciting guy to next exciting guy, next hot guy, next fuckboy.
	You're gonna start getting baggage and trauma and all this stuff.
	And then you're gonna wait to settle down in your 30s and you're gonna settle down.
	You're gonna view like you're settling down for a guy who's actually on your level, who there's parity with.
	It's probably a terrible, that's a catastrophic recipe likely for divorce.
	Um, because you're gonna view your partner with contempt.
	Oh, why couldn't I get one of the hot dudes in my youth, you know, when I was younger to commit to me?
	He's not as good in bed, he's not as hot, he's not as sexy.
	And that's what's going on.
	Not all women, of course, but a lot of women spending their 20s just casual sex.
	Yeah, I agree.
	I feel like a lot of women that are dating men these days are not doing it in a smart way.
	You have to pick your men.
	You got to pick the men you sleep with.
	Because, like he said, most of the men that you sleep with are not going to commit to you.
	And they won't even take you on dates.
	They don't see you procreating with them.
	Yep.
	Yeah.
	But the guy, here's the problem: the guy who is prepared to commit to you, he's he might not be as attractive.
	He might not be as attractive as the guys who I love the dad bottle.
	I'm not, I don't want a man with a six pack.
	I don't look, just look for looks.
	But the differential here is that as a guy, if I'm like trying to hit up a girl who's out of my league, men get rejected on the front end.
	Women will get rejected on the back end.
	You might get rejected like months down into a situationship when this guy had no intention of committing to you.
	And I think, frankly, that's a scummy way for men to move.
	But let's be realistic.
	There are men who are going to move like that.
	And the reality is, I mean, women are choosing a lot of these men.
	If you look on dating apps, for example, women swipe on only like the top five, top 10% of men.
	So it just sets women up to be in the situation where while short for their short-term strategy to pursue these like hyper-attractive men, they might be able to get sex with them.
	So that's where I, that's kind of where I'm going with like, well, as a guy, I can't shoot out of my league and like just I can't get, I can't get anything from a girl who's out of my league.
	I can't get casual sex.
	I can't get a relationship.
	I can't get nothing.
	So I get the instantaneous rejection.
	Whereas like women, you can secure sex from like men who are like way out of your league.
	You guys might even have dudes who are in your DMs, like athletes, musicians, rappers.
	But you're just not going to give you commitment though.
	But we've had 19-year-old girls who've been on the show who got 500 followers who go to UCSB.
	And they get NBA players in their DMs.
	Like these girls are nobodies.
	And I'm not saying that to insult them, but they have no status.
	They're just normal college girl.
	They got NBA players, NFL players, professional athletes in their DMs.
	And then the average 19-year-old guy is going to, how's she going to like, comparatively speaking, it's like once you've had a certain tier, once you've had like a certain attention from a certain caliber of men, it's like very hard to like, you know, when you start making a lot of money, you have something called lifestyle creep.
	So if you start, if you're making $100,000 a month, some people like some people still try to keep it simple, but like you're going to start having lifestyle creep.
	And then if you lose all that, like if your financial circumstances change, you're going to have a bit of a shock, like having to go back.
	Okay, shit, I got roommates again now.
	If your circumstances ever do change.
	Same thing, like, have you ever, like, you used to be in uni and you used to go, like, to the dude's dorm room, and he had three roommates, like, three dudes in his room, and then you all of a sudden you date a guy with his own house.
	It's like, it's kind of like hard to like to go back to once you've dated somebody who's got like their shit together, you know.
	So, in the same way that people have lifestyle creep once they start making a lot of money, once you start dating a certain caliber of man, you start like having dating creep, as I'd like to call it.
	And it's like hard to like date the normal average guy once you've had a taste of like a certain tier of man.
	But that tier of men is open to like a much wider margin of women.
	That's true.
	Right?
	You have-literally facts.
	You just blew my mind.
	Let's go.
	Okay.
	But you have like, you know, famous guys in your DMs and like, you know, the.
	Anything?
	What's like the most likely?
	Actually, Natalie has a couple, right?
	I really don't.
	I don't want to dox anyone.
	Yeah, but you said in your pre-show notes, you did say something about, hold on, I'm going to pull it up.
	But I actually don't get a lot of DMs.
	I will say that.
	Okay.
	Like, I don't.
	Go on.
	Well, I think I alienate half of the country given my line of work to start.
	Well, you said you've dated pro-athletes and politicians and stuff.
	But yeah, I wouldn't recommend.
	Wait, so you think with your job, a lot of men are like turned off from it?
	No, no, no, not my job.
	Just I think if you don't have the same political beliefs that I do, you probably wouldn't date Steve Bannon's co-host.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	So.
	Is that a big issue?
	Like, I feel like guys are, they don't, guys don't want like liberal feminist shit.
	Yeah.
	That's not a super issue.
	They might want them for like because they're on birth control and like for casual sex or whatever.
	I definitely don't do.
	I don't know.
	For me, it's more, it's not just the critique of like, oh, I'm a Republican, so I want to date a Republican.
	Like I would not do well with some like cringe person who just loves tax cuts.
	Like I'm very anti-globalist, anti-rhino.
	Like they need to be.
	I'm not even saying they have to necessarily be political.
	Honestly, I've kind of learned that.
	I'm going to say, it's not like you're always going to be.
	I don't like actually dating people in politics or frankly even talking about it in my like actual life.
	But it's just nice to have some level, I think, of overlap in terms of just like when I say rhino, people aren't like animals.
	Yes, yeah.
	But you did say in your pre-show notes here that you some dating pro athletes, but you don't learn the details.
	Can I at least ask any NFL?
	No.
	NBA?
	No.
	NHL.
	No.
	Hockey players.
	Hockey players.
	Golf.
	Golfers.
	Golf.
	Oh, shit.
	There's a posh boy.
	Is that the W, what is that?
	The WGA?
	PGA.
	Not live.
	Would they take you off on the dates or would they be like, come on?
	You know, but it was sort of what you were, like, we were dating, but it was, I don't know, I had suspicions that there was other stuff going on.
	And it's just, like you said, I think kind of comes with that lifestyle.
	And well, professional athletes, yeah.
	I've watched a lot.
	I love this show.
	So I've watched a lot of episodes and I've even like turned a bunch of my friends onto it.
	And the point of hypergamy is so profound.
	And I really think that that was something that I just like had never really been exposed to.
	The idea, I don't know, I think people just have a hard time like accepting that it's okay to be normal.
	It's okay to be average because it is average.
	So it's like everyone's always going after that like, you know, Lamborghini driving like billionaire.
	And I don't think all women.
	Not all women, but some.
	And I am glad in some ways some of the worst relationships of my life, my life has been with like those kind of types.
	And I realized that at least for me, like that life is just not very fulfilling.
	And that those people are not really into commitment or wanting to settle down.
	So it's like, yeah, you could have fun with them and date them.
	Any badminton?
	I actually love bad.
	I used to play competitive table tennis.
	Any footballers?
	Oh, soccer, yeah, soccer.
	We call that soccer here.
	Soccer.
	Soccer.
	Oh, really?
	You call it soccer.
	Like, it's more in the political realm.
	No, that's what we call football.
	Yeah, but they're cringe.
	Have you like senators?
	You just shot all the men fucking cringe.
	I think all senators are married.
	So really?
	Okay.
	I swear they don't.
	Congressmen.
	Fuck people do that.
	Well, this is a whole other episode of podcast.
	They are doing some interesting things in the Capitol Hill hearing rooms.
	We had Madison Cawthorne on.
	Let me just say, Madison Cawthorne is definitely right.
	There are a lot of weird things that go on in Washington.
	Oh, for sure.
	Wait, I saw the other one.
	Yeah, what's happening in the movie?
	You know what I'm talking about.
	You haven't seen it in the guy.
	Yeah.
	I'm sure.
	Right.
	And Amy Coast Charts.
	It's going on in D.C.
	Yeah.
	You also said in your pre-show.
	Wait, really quick.
	So I blew your mind.
	I feel like I kind of meandered a bit too long with my point there.
	No, you're just been facts, bro.
	Thank you, brother.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	What do I say?
	Thank you.
	You said, Natalie, that.
	I don't even remember what I wrote.
	You're a big believer in attachment theory, and I feel like everyone is just stuck in the anxious avoidant trap.
	Also, feel like a lot of guys are just purporting to be trad looking for wives.
	In my experience, a lot of married guys are also extremely unfaithful if given the opportunity.
	Yeah, not too late.
	I'm a big attachment theory person.
	I myself am definitely an anxious attacher, and I think the idea of like the chase situationships is really just the anxious avoidant trap.
	I think I would say exacerbated by the difference in female and male sexuality, that just disparity in how people attach.
	But yeah, I get a lot of just DMs.
	And I mean, I don't get a lot of DMs from like the verified blue check mark people, but just in like the political world, a lot of conservatives who are very outspoken about their conservative values.
	I don't think they've really practiced them.
	I know you've had Isabella Tawuka on the show, and she like showed DMs of a guy who purports to be very dad.
	So just stuff like that.
	But honestly, I think it's more sort of par for the course in Washington, D.C. Frankly, that's why I'm moving out because it's just a really gross culture.
	It's a bunch of people who like weren't cool in high school and then get a semblance of power.
	That's actually a really profound way of describing politics.
	Yeah, no, it's really true.
	So the White House looks painting it white.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Yeah.
	Well, yeah, you can look at Hunter Biden's life.
	Again, it's not even about him.
	Like Republicans are doing that kind of stuff too, but it's just very degenerate.
	Yeah.
	But you're saying that like a lot of these guys, there's like a lot of unfaithfulness?
	Is that what you're saying?
	Yeah, I mean, I don't really even think that's the same thing.
	Like in the Capitol, is that what you're saying?
	It's unique to me.
	Like just, there's so many affairs, congressional, that are exposed or otherwise.
	But like Bill Clinton.
	But even like, for example, that Capitol Hill sucks tape, right?
	Like that was not a one-off, right?
	There's a lot of stuff that happened.
	Was it the gay one?
	Yeah.
	That was so out there.
	So you can only imagine the more tame stuff that happens.
	And that stuff is peddled as blackmail.
	Like it is.
	It's not conspiratorial.
	Like they use it.
	We have some notes here.
	We have Atlantis, right?
	Yeah.
	You guys gave us some pre-show notes here.
	Is that your government name?
	Yes, some of my friends call me Atlas.
	Oh, shh.
	La Paul.
	Cool.
	That's my last name.
	That's cool.
	No, I saw it.
	You said getting cheated on and finding out how and who and with who.
	And you said some incidents during sexual intercourse?
	So you, just to be clear, you found out during sexual intercourse you were being cheated on?
	No, no, no, no.
	So this happened in my last relationship.
	My only relationship I've ever been in.
	I was lurking on Instagram and it was kind of hard because his account was private and I never followed it back when we had gotten back together.
	So when you go on Instagram, the suggested accounts pop up and I was clicking through every girl because I don't know.
	I had like a feeling and I clicked on this one girl's Instagram and there was a picture of them and a picture of them?
	Yeah, like she posted.
	It could be in the center.
	No, it was like a couple's classroom and he was like kissing her on the cheek.
	Oh.
	Yeah.
	And he's like a very big guy.
	Like girls and guys can't just be friends.
	So I was like, that is not one of his homegirls.
	Is this your boyfriend?
	He was my boyfriend at the time.
	Yeah.
	Over like a year and a half.
	Did you get revenge on him?
	Did you crash his car?
	No, I didn't.
	No, that got bumped into.
	That wasn't caused by me.
	Oh, yeah, yeah.
	Yeah, yeah.
	It was like an accident.
	It was totally legitimate.
	Insurance fraud.
	Okay, maybe.
	I don't know.
	The types of guys there are.
	so you said the types of guys there are and how to look out for them getting cheated on slash doing the cheating so you were also cheating though No.
	You said getting cheated on and doing the cheating.
	I said that?
	Yeah.
	No.
	I don't remember.
	You didn't do the cheating.
	No, I've never cheated.
	Zero cheating.
	Zero.
	Okay.
	I was very faithful to it.
	So you said the types of guys there are and how to look out for them.
	What do you mean by that?
	Like, okay, so like with him, he had lied about his body count when we first started getting to know one another because he said he liked me so much.
	And I think when I confronted him about the cheating that I, you know, it was in person because I know how he is.
	And it's just, it's not that, it's the fact that he lied about it.
	Yeah.
	Wait, so he lied like it was lower or higher?
	He said it.
	He said it was lower, but it was actually higher.
	Oh, okay.
	How did you find out?
	Well, I confronted him in person about the cheating and like we were like talking for like a couple of hours.
	How much did he lie about?
	Well, I actually had to get it out of him because I ended up hitting up some other girls.
	And you were like, how many girls are being fucked?
	Yeah.
	And he was basically dating me and that girl at the same time and trying to get with like five or six other girls on the other side.
	How much was the difference?
	That he lied about, sorry.
	Like, you know, if he said, oh, it's five when ready, it was 25.
	Body count.
	The body count?
	Yeah, like, was there a big difference?
	He said it was, like, in the double digits.
	And he had said it was, like, one or two.
	Yeah.
	So you say modern dating nowadays is stupid.
	Everybody, everyone wants to have sex, and I'm a relationship girl, so it's hard to tell.
	You've only ever had one boyfriend, and shit went down.
	Yeah, that was the thing that went down.
	Oh, that's it?
	That's the story?
	I thought when you say goes, like, shit went down, someone like Major dropped, like, I mean, I'm not, well, he cheated.
	I didn't, like, act out, like, scream at him and start hitting him and throwing shit.
	Like, no, that's not me.
	Because you say in your next answer or thing, you say, I tend to get crazy, like crazy, obsessive to a point, and I frustrate myself and the guy with that trying to fix that.
	Crazy how?
	Yeah, so I tend to get like very obsessive at times.
	Okay.
	Where like my friends are like, what the fuck?
	Like, why do you think that way?
	And it's usually like I kind of have an attachment issue.
	I mean, like, it wasn't that I was like, I wasn't attached to him.
	Are you like a stalker?
	Is that it?
	No, no, I did not stop.
	You tend to get crazy like crazy and he's crazy in all caps.
	You are crazy in all caps.
	I mean, I stalked one guy, but like, we never even did anything.
	He was my first love, so I make an exception.
	But you stalked him.
	Yeah.
	Really?
	Stalked.
	Not like.
	Not like in the way you think, like Joe Goldberg.
	Yeah, not following him around just like on his social media.
	Just like on his social media.
	Yeah.
	Basically, yeah.
	Okay.
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	Also, we have just one chat here.
	We have a chat from Marcus David.
	Frankly, Marcus David, besides your body, what do you really have to offer to a high-value man?
	Whoa, Marcus David.
	Is this in response to her WAP comments?
	Is that what this is about?
	I think this might be directed at you because you mentioned the WAP.
	What else besides the WAP?
	Companionship.
	Your heart.
	Companionship, my heart.
	I could cook.
	I could be a great mother.
	I give head really, really well.
	I love anal.
	That's why I stick to anal sex.
	But yeah, I have a lot to offer, not just sex.
	I want to play something for this, but I'm not.
	I have such a good soundboard thing, but.
	Okay, whatever.
	Is it really that?
	She was a hoo-a.
	She was a hoo-a.
	What?
	Like, they keep saying anal, and I'm like, is it really that good for, like, you?
	Because, like, I personally enjoy it.
	I've done it quite a lot.
	Like, I can get my whole fist up there now.
	But, like, it's, it's very, like, I don't find it painful because it's quite stretched out.
	It's a different kind of stuff.
	It's such a different kind of orgasm.
	Like, for him or for both?
	I'm sorry.
	What really, what?
	Say it again?
	So I can get my whole fist up there.
	In yours or in his?
	No, no, no, not.
	Not like a guy.
	She just out things fall out at random.
	No, no.
	So it's not gaping.
	It goes back.
	But yeah, like, if a guy is like, fucking me, yeah, I'll gape a little bit.
	But not when like I'm like normal right now.
	Like I haven't gotten stretched out.
	Yeah.
	And like, also, if you do it with your own hand, like, it's, you know, you can feel your, like, how you feel.
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	Okay, good talk.
	Thank you for sharing.
	was beautiful that was really just I hope that gave you like a nice like picture of me with like Please don't say that.
	We have don't tempt, don't, don't, tempt.
	Not tempt, don't tempt.
	Don't put it in my brain.
	Don't tempt me with the good points.
	Put it in my brain.
	Okay, we have Haley Jr.
	Hey, thank you, man.
	Men's body count and women's body count.
	Question mark.
	Cheating is bad, but body counts isn't the same for both genders.
	One takes game and one takes just being present.
	Okay.
	So I see what you're trying to say here.
	Basically, and again, I don't think promiscuity is good in men or women.
	However, there's, you know, we often hear, well, why is it when, you know, if a woman sleeps with a lot of men, she's viewed as a slut, but a guy's viewed as a stud.
	That's not fair, right?
	Now, look, again, I don't think promiscuity is good in men, but the difference is it's hard to be a stud.
	It's easy to be a slut.
	It's actually not really that hard when you have a lot of easy girls out there.
	It's still pretty hard.
	It's hard.
	I feel like it's hard to be a slut these days.
	You guys all failed at picking maddening.
	Simply things like just Tinder so easily.
	So Tinder.
	Tinder.
	Like men on Tinder won't get many matches, if so any.
	And me, I'm not the prettiest girl in the world, but I'm also not the ugliest.
	I get like, when I had it, I had 15,000 likes in a matter of two days.
	And I compared it with one of the dudes that I was just, that I worked with at the time, and he had like 150, and he had Tinder for yeah, because guys are out there trying to find no, but the thing is, is guys will be holding not to be a stud.
	I was told it's called fishing with a big net, at least on Tinder, where they literally will swipe right on every single woman.
	Every single tube.
	And women are so selective with who they are.
	Like, yes, no, yes, no, especially just on looks.
	So at least, yeah, I agree with that statement.
	Rebecca can back up on this, but it's what, men swipe right 44% of the time, women it's 14%?
	Something like that.
	Yeah, it's, I mean, you have women who are swiping yes on only like the top five, top 10% of men.
	It's a very small proportion of men.
	Whereas the vast majority of men on dating apps are absolutely just getting blanked.
	They're not, they're getting barely any matches, and then they're not getting any meetups.
	And when they do get a meetups, they get flaked on or, you know, it doesn't go anywhere.
	So I feel like because the women are actually there to find somebody, the majority of the men are just there to have fun.
	It's when, yeah, when women are on Tinder, they women won't, it's so hard to put it into perspective.
	Men will sleep with almost everybody, so they'll swipe right on almost everybody.
	However, they won't date all of them.
	And a lot of men aren't going to go on Tinder to date.
	They're going on Tinder to get their, you know, what, what.
	Versus women, when they're on Tinder, they're looking for someone.
	Okay, yeah, I'm still attracted.
	Are they?
	Well, it's like, it's embedded in us.
	At least for me, I don't know about you guys.
	I'm not going to swipe right on somebody that I'm not potentially going to see myself with.
	I agree with you generally, but I think the current social climate, I think a lot of women are like either pressured through in their friend group because they're like, they almost want to justify their own promiscuity by like encouraging their friends to also engage in casual sex so that they feel less personally.
	But I do think there's like this whole, there is a bit, I do think there's a bit of a trope that it's like women are just looking for relationships and men are just looking for sex.
	I think men are also desired relationships.
	And I also think women willingly engage in casual sex.
	Yes, but they won't engage in casual sex with someone that they couldn't physically see themselves with in the long run.
	I will say, and you're making some really good points.
	Most women can sleep with most men.
	Most men cannot sleep with most women.
	Women sleep with who they want.
	Men sleep with who they can.
	When it comes to what he was saying, I would argue any woman, any woman has the capacity to be a slut.
	Any woman has the capacity to sell sex.
	Very few men have the capacity to be a slut.
	Very few men have the capacity to sell sex.
	Yep.
	I'm not saying most guys don't really be getting pussy like that.
	So almost any woman, even if she's old or unattractive.
	Yeah.
	Even if she's old or unattractive, overweight, if she wanted to sell pussy, if she wanted to sell sex, she could find a buyer.
	I would argue eat like legacy.
	I don't think I could sell dick.
	I don't think I could sell dick.
	I don't know.
	Yeah, but I thought you could.
	I'm looking like Adam 22 before the tattoo.
	You can sell gay porn.
	No, It has to be straight.
	If I'm going to sell sex.
	Gay porn sounds like that.
	You could probably sell to guys because I think.
	No, no, no, no, I don't want to do that.
	Yeah, I'm sure gay personality.
	Women are very clearly the limiting factor because if you take women out as the variable and you look at the way like gay men use grinder or those relationships, like they're known as a lot more risky, I would be very popular.
	There you go.
	I know this.
	But I'm not going to do it.
	I wouldn't do it.
	Hypothetically.
	Hypothetically.
	But no, I wouldn't want, I would not, I would not do that.
	So I will say this, though, since she brought up Grinder, straight guys probably, you know, it's hard for them to be studs, but gay guys.
	Well, that's different, though.
	The Grinder is crazy.
	Like, I've had a friend.
	That's different, though.
	That's so, it's.
	Yeah.
	But that's when you take women out as the like restraint on the sexuality aspect.
	I think that shows the difference.
	But the difference is if we're talking within a like a heterosexual framework, then they can't be really stable.
	Yeah, but it's like that for straight men, that's not really helpful.
	Yeah.
	No, like two guys together and then you're like, oh, you can't get laid with women.
	Just go fuck men.
	Like, I don't know if that's the solution.
	Maybe.
	Some of them probably do.
	Probably.
	But you don't even have to fuck.
	You could do solo content.
	Yeah.
	And also, I do think you could probably do that.
	You've got a big platform.
	No, I know some people are going to be.
	You're going to get a lot of subscribers.
	Brian's flannel would be your top subscriber.
	Yeah, they've already spent like hundreds of.
	Onlyfans.com slash whatever.
	Would you ever date a whatever fan?
	Like that you met from well, yeah, it's like from the show who's shooting her shot.
	No, no, I'm not.
	I'm your shotgun.
	Lily.
	Yeah.
	Not shade in heaven.
	Or hell like lightning.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	7 p.m. tomorrow, Valentine's Day.
	No, no, I just am always curious with people who have shows if they would date Cupid.
	I wouldn't.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	That wouldn't.
	I mean, I feel like that's actually an optimum situation.
	Really?
	Yeah, but they'd be able to.
	I'm not spoiled.
	Well, I bring this up because I just saw the super chat that was saying, if I would assuming I'm the blonde conservative, I think that if I was indefinite.
	Well, perhaps I'm spoiled in this way, but like, I think very few men will have the experience of having women pursue them.
	And I mean, like, it's nothing crazy, but like, yeah, doing the show, like, women will contact me who are express romantic interest.
	And that's sort of like a role reversal.
	And they're not doing it in this sort of like masculine, aggressive way.
	Of course, I still want to lead in the relationship, but I certainly welcome, like, you know, what do they GM?
	Is it like, hey, want to kind of hit it?
	Yeah, no, they're like, that would be a turn off if they're not.
	Oh, is it more just like your palm?
	They'll just be like, can I on in?
	Then I ask you to do it.
	Some girls will go about it in a sort of indirect way.
	Well, they'll like, they'll like, I like your girlfriend.
	They'll just like, no, they'll just like ask me a dating question, and it's, but it's kind of clear that they're like doing it like indirectly to shoot their shot.
	But then other women will be a bit more upfront, direct about it.
	Oh, you're cute or you're handsome, whatever.
	So, yeah, I've definitely gotten that risk up.
	I mean, it's just like my I'm not, I don't know, I'm not a big fan of, I don't, I don't like chasing because look, I've I was on the dating apps, and it's fucking brutal on the dating apps.
	People say men love chasing, though.
	No, I mean, I'm the type of person I'm very like, I'm and maybe this is because I'm like, I might be autistic.
	I don't know.
	I'm so maybe, probably.
	I'm never younger man than that.
	I'm a very upfront person.
	Like, I don't really like the dance or the game.
	Like, I'll just be upfront and just be like, I like you.
	Are you interested?
	I mean, this isn't do you have a secure attachment style?
	What, what's that?
	Like, are you anxiously attached, avoidantly attached, or do you not?
	Oh, no, I'd have to look more into that because I'm not really familiar with the attachment styles, but I'm very upfront.
	Like, I'm, oh, you like me?
	Cool.
	I like you.
	Like, I don't need to play this game of like feigning disinterest and all this stuff.
	Like, I'm just, I like to be very upfront with my intentions.
	And I also, I've, when I was on dating apps, I one of the most frustrating things is like not really knowing where you stand.
	And like, a lot of times you'll encounter, and this is why I got off the dating apps, you'll encounter women who are dating multiple men.
	And it's like, I don't want anything to do with a woman who's like entertaining multiple men.
	So I want to only pursue women who display a very, very high level of interest in me.
	And if that means that they have to like initiate, then I'm fine with that because I don't want to deal.
	Like, I want to date a woman who has like really high level of interest in me because I've, like I said, I was on the dating apps.
	I've dealt with the girls that, like you, go on a date and like they're kind of fence sitters and they're dating multiple men and they're kind of like, eh no, I don't want to, I don't want to pursue.
	Flannel donated $100.
	I'm not a prom cuck and of girls RL304s, but they're human.
	Listen ladies, you're not protecting yourselves online or in life.
	Reach out to a sec pro.
	We don't want your herpes.
	But thank you, Brixton's Flannel appreciate it.
	Just to finish off on my point.
	So I mean, one thing that I really value is obviously lack of promiscuity and I want a girl who oh, we got Hillary here donated $100.
	The fact any question of sex sore dating goes to the topic of only fans shows the pathetic culture we live in today.
	If you were to have children, would you be proud of the work you do?
	We'll have you guys answer that and then I'll come back to my point.
	Go ahead well no, if you, if you were to have children, would you be proud of the work you do?
	I don't want children, okay.
	No, I wouldn't.
	Okay, I wouldn't be ashamed of it sure okay well, to.
	To wrap up on my point, It's like night and day dating somebody who has, like really strong interest in you compared to somebody who's kind of like not that interested.
	And I don't know if like there's a differential there where women kind of, I don't know if this is the case, where women perhaps are almost a bit turned off if a guy's a little too like on them.
	And I'm not saying I want.
	It's nice when boys are like, really like, oh, I really like you.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, but so.
	I feel like it like jinxes the whole thing.
	Like if I'm dating somebody and they're dating around, like that's boring.
	So it's like, if we're talking and you're like still entertaining other females in the beginning of our relationship because you're not sure if I'm talking to other guys, like I feel like, you know, they have to be straight up and say, I want to exclusively date you.
	Are you in or out?
	Well, perhaps I'm extreme in this regard.
	So if I go on a first date with a girl, if you want a second date, you want to see me again, all the other dudes have to be a rap.
	Like you can't first date, I kind of get it.
	Obviously, it would be optimal if on the first date you're properly properly single.
	We can talk about it.
	Like if the girl is currently sleeping with another guy and she's going on a date with me, I don't, I do not want you at all.
	And I hope she would at least be upfront with me about that if she's currently having sex with another man.
	That's a major deal breaker.
	But even if you're not, but you're dating around, dating other dudes, I'm not interested.
	I want to date a girl who like almost immediately.
	Look, I get it.
	If it's our first date, maybe.
	Again, it's my strong preference.
	What's that?
	So if you know, you know.
	It's my strong preference.
	Like come to me properly single because if there's other dudes in the picture, like, and look, some people think this is kind of in the modern, in the current dating landscape.
	This is kind of a radical approach to dating because so many people, so many people currently, when it comes to 2024, modern dating are just dating multiple people.
	And I don't move that way.
	And I don't want the girl that I'm dating to move that way.
	And look, I'm not, I don't really drink.
	I don't party.
	I don't go to bars.
	I don't go to clubs.
	I don't want that in the partner either.
	And I think I am able to find that because I've sort of like screened out those.
	I mean, just by virtue of me not drinking or doing, I mean, it's not a guarantee, but finding a girl who doesn't really drink, doesn't do drugs, doesn't smoke, doesn't go out of bars and clubs and parties, not interested in that type of person.
	That's certainly a helpful screening mechanism.
	But yeah, come to me properly single.
	That's what I want.
	I want your undivided romantic and sexual attention immediately.
	And look, I'll give you a little leeway if you went on a date with a guy, but still, preferably, I'm like, I'm still even kind of like hesitating on that.
	So come to me properly single.
	And yeah.
	So, and if you, so for example, like you say, would I date a fan?
	Yeah, if you're gonna, if you seen my show and you like me and you like what I have to say, then definitely.
	I'm all about it.
	Because I'm gonna get a lot of DMs tonight.
	Well, no, I mean, I'm not trying to solicit that, but I'm just trying to solve this.
	Long time thing.
	I think Terry said an important issue about promiscuity that hasn't been discussed because we don't have the vocabulary for it.
	Would it be possible to chat about it?
	Donkey Schlong.
	Wait, long time.
	I think there's an important issue about promiscuity that hasn't been discussed.
	Don't have the vocabulary?
	Is the vocabulary donkey schlong?
	It's all like Dodge Carpet.
	Thank you, bro.
	Would it be possible to chat about it?
	What's the vocab, bro?
	gonna have to tell us what the vocab is i don't know what to if we did talk we have been talking quite a bit about promiscuity though um But yeah, ultimately just comes down to Someone displaying an immediate like high level of interest because yeah, I just don't want to deal with a fence hitter.
	I've been on both sides, and once you've like dated somebody who's like really into you, it's really hard to go back to the person that's kind of like ignoring your text and they're probably dating other people.
	And it's just like, nah, like, give me the girl who just likes me.
	I like her.
	And that's kind of, we don't need to play some like back and forth game.
	So, but you disagreed.
	You want to date multiple people at the same time, it sounds like.
	Yeah, I think it's great to have a roster.
	And then also you don't get your feelings hurt.
	And it's just nice.
	It's not that hard to date one person at a time.
	But then, like, you know, someone drops off, you put another one on.
	To be fair, I mean, I haven't dated anyone in so long.
	But, like, when I did use a date, I would have a roster.
	And then, like, what was the most you've ever had on your roster?
	No, only like three or four.
	And these were all men you were like sleeping with?
	Like, yeah, sleeping with, going on dates with, and stuff like that.
	I mean, I'm just going to be super upfront.
	Like, that's disgusting.
	No offense.
	I'm not trying to say that to be rude, but like it's the thought of being intimate with a woman who's like just had sex with another guy is repulsive.
	I wouldn't have like come straight from obviously shouting.
	That's very nice of you.
	It's okay.
	I would have shouted a little bit at the floor.
	Maybe like, wash it out a lot.
	Did you use condoms or no?
	Yeah, that's a no.
	She wouldn't use condoms.
	Yeah, to me, it's just.
	But it's different because like these guys I would be dating, they'd be doing the exact same.
	Yeah, it's so like.
	That's fucking disgusting.
	And you don't want to be caught up like, oh my gosh, I really like this guy.
	Like you put all your eggs in one basket, you're not really liking them, and then they're like dating a whole lot of people.
	Okay, so what's the alternative?
	Just like, okay, I'm just going to fuck a bunch of dudes and just be dating a bunch of people at the same time.
	Like, I realize I acknowledge that if you do the like dating one person at a time, like if that person breaks your heart, like it's going to hurt a lot more than like, oh, well, I've got three other girls I can fall back, or I got three other guys, I can't.
	get that but i think it went from seven to one found oh The worst part is the man wouldn't know any different.
	No, but like I'm dating people who are sleeping around.
	Well, they're doing the same thing.
	Yeah, so it's not like I'm doing them anymore.
	Yeah, I think what I think men should stop doing and I think women should stop doing it.
	But then, yeah, that's just agree to disagree.
	What do you mean, agree to disagree?
	Well, that's just like your view.
	You only date girls who would, you know, be with you.
	And if I'm doing this, I'd only date guys that are doing the same.
	And like, obviously, these are only on like the first few, two, three dates.
	If I actually start to really like someone, why would I spend time with other men?
	So wait, is your argument, is your position, well, I'm trying to protect myself from getting hurt.
	So my solution to the potentiality of getting hurt where I like give all of my attention to one guy is to just fuck a bunch of men at the same time as like a coping mechanism for potential hurt or rejection.
	It's a coping mechanism.
	It's just protecting your feelings.
	That's cope.
	Your method for coping with.
	Well, then I guess, yeah, yeah.
	Okay.
	So then you don't end up like.
	Look, I mean, I get, I totally acknowledge that's how a lot of people in the dating marketplace are moving, both men and women.
	They're dating multiple people, sleeping with multiple people.
	I mean, I think it's risky for your health, but I also just kill them, but it's good to have comparison as well.
	Here's comparison, you mean when it comes to sex?
	Let me know.
	No, no, I mean, when it comes to dates, like if you're not.
	Here, I'll hammer the point.
	I'm going to hammer the point home.
	Even if, like, if the most beautiful woman in the world wanted to just instantly have sex with me, but I knew she just had sex with another guy, I don't care how hot her body is.
	I don't care how hot she is.
	It's a no.
	I don't even, if you are engaged, if you're having sex with other men.
	I'm going to make one donated woman.
	I don't care how hot you are.
	It's a guns over here.
	I'm going to find a real man.
	Yo, Derek.
	Just to do it.
	Thank you, bro.
	STDs must not matter to you.
	How are you going to explain this when you get to the wall?
	What's the wall?
	Do better kings and stay true to the mission.
	What's the wall?
	The wall.
	What's the saying?
	The wall never.
	I don't know.
	What is the wall?
	Well, I mean, if you were sleeping with these guys, and you said you're only going to date other performers or only marry another performer, is that right?
	Yeah, yeah.
	What was well, no, as long as someone's like happy, they know the.
	We looked up a stat and we found it, what was it?
	Three years after a porn star gets married.
	Oh, there's a 25% likelihood that a porn star will have a marriage that lasts three years.
	Yeah, I think a lot of porn stars come from trauma and come from broken families.
	And so they don't believe in marriage.
	But personally, in my case, I do.
	And yeah, and so that's.
	But should we encourage them to keep going down that path or help heal that pain and trauma with love, honor, respect, dignity, and help these women and whatever we need?
	Because some of these women are out there for money, some are out for fame, some are out for all types of things.
	And these serious abuse as children is very difficult.
	No, I agree.
	A lot of women who are in porn need therapy.
	Like, they are fucked.
	Like, obviously, I talk to a lot of my colleagues, and like the stories that they've been through is awful and very traumatic.
	And yeah, just a lot of people in the industry are like that.
	But a lot of people in the industry are happily married and have successful relationships as well and do it because they like the lifestyle, they like sex, they like partying.
	Well, there's always outliers.
	It's a much lesser percentage.
	There is a stat that shows open marriages so people are sleeping with people they're not married to.
	The divorce rate is 92%.
	92%.
	92 percent so it's not a normal thing but i mean yes it's much it's much much lower I have a question for you OF girls.
	Does it ever get tiring, like physically?
	Like for so much work to do?
	Dude, after a day, especially if it's like an actual porn set, after the day, I'm exhausted.
	I feel like I've run a marathon.
	The other day I was in Vegas and I filmed so much.
	I told my friend, I'm like, oh my God, I think I pulled my pussy.
	I had to work.
	It can be really painful.
	And I was just like, walking a little funny.
	Yeah.
	Oh, definitely.
	Like, especially because all the guys in porn are huge.
	And so you can, especially if you're working day after day after day, it's not easy.
	It can be really sore down there, of course.
	But yeah, so it can be like, you know, when you go to like a day when you're like really sore and you go to work and you're like, okay, just take it really slow to start because it hurts.
	Do you ever find it like mentally exhausting or do you think more just like physically exhausting?
	Definitely, yeah, mentally as well, because like you're having to kind of act most of the time.
	A little bit of both, mostly physically for me.
	Yeah.
	And also like if you're doing the like social media side of things, like with all that takes a lot.
	And like the hate you get and everything like behind that, the social stigmas and just like everything that comes with it is really mentally exhausting.
	Could be hard as well because, like, people are literally like, I'm sure you guys gotta DM you, oh, kill yourself, like, you're a waste of space, like, you need to die, basically.
	And yeah, I just tend to ignore those.
	I try not to read the comments.
	I'll only read like the ones that I'll just skim through them.
	I'll only read the ones that I want, like, from the people that I talk to.
	Because there is a lot of hate.
	There's a lot of rest.
	There's a lot of hate.
	Oh, yeah.
	What?
	Wait, did you were you involved with Jason Love?
	Yeah.
	The guy who was big black cock.
	Oh, God.
	This girl.
	Oh, you were sorry for me.
	I'm going to peek to my Twitter and then come back.
	No, there was a super chat that came in about Jason Love was with Adam 22's wife.
	Yes, Lena, who we've had on the show.
	But so you also, you were with him too.
	Yeah.
	Good times, good times.
	Yeah, he's actually really sweet.
	He's very gentle.
	You know what?
	For such a big guy, he's very gentle speaking.
	Like, just, he's like, that's good.
	Well, when I worked with him, he was so like, let's do whatever you want.
	He was like super nice, like, just like, I want to do the decisions you want to do, whatever you want to do.
	It's all about you.
	And yeah, he was really nice, but fucking hell did he stretch me out.
	Sorry, Andrew.
	You're disappointing Andrew Tate over here.
	Is Andrew your friend?
	I wouldn't say friends, but we, before his, this was a long time ago.
	I, this is before his arrest and his cancellation.
	I had messaged him with him briefly on Instagram back and forth and invited or recommended or not right getting tongue-tied here.
	Suggested we do collaboration, but it never manifested.
	Then he shortly thereafter got banned on Instagram.
	Then he was, you know, got into trouble.
	But I don't know what the status is of his case.
	I don't know.
	Anyways, we'll see how that plays out.
	We have, actually, wait, before I pull this up, I did two things I want to say.
	P.S., this is for the men watching.
	Men, you're allowed to have preferences, standards, and boundaries.
	And I think the very bare minimum, my recommendation for men here is if a girl is sleeping with another man, you don't date her.
	Like that, to me, that should be obvious.
	It should be self-evident.
	But like, that should be the best.
	Unless you're in that.
	Unless you're into that.
	Well, don't be into it because it's haram and it's kind of gross and it's kind of cuck shit.
	So it, well, I'd say definitionally would you would be kind of a cuck if you're into your girl sleeping with her.
	Oh, hum wife.
	Oh, God.
	We need some holy water.
	Is it what?
	Spoiled up.
	I do think it is like kind of peculiar to get enjoyment from seeing your wife have sex with other men.
	Like to me.
	Yeah, it's called being a cuck.
	You should have Adam 22 on and just wrong to shame that, though.
	I feel like it's like shame.
	Yeah.
	I feel like it's wrong to shame.
	Yes.
	I do think it is.
	But is it not shameful to like allow your wife to have sex with other men and you're in the corner?
	Like.
	I mean, if it gets them off, it gets them off and it works for them.
	That's dysfunctional, though.
	I do think it's dysfunctional.
	The world is dysfunctional.
	The world is.
	Sure, but like, I just barely.
	We could try, but we can't do it.
	Do not pursue women who are engaged with other men in a sexual capacity.
	I'm sure most of you, that's already your standard, but don't be shamed.
	But if you don't get into it, what do you mean?
	No, gentlemen, this is your new standard from now on.
	If a woman is sexually involved with another man, you do not pursue, you don't even pursue her for casual sex.
	What about if she's involved with another woman?
	I would still say she's having sexual activity with another person.
	So I would suppose it's a lot of guys.
	As bad, I suppose, but it's still suboptimal.
	It's undesirable, I would argue.
	It's different, but it's not.
	And also, I mean, to take it a step further, gentlemen, you're allowed to have standards, and a good standard to have is maybe we can make a change in the world.
	Don't date women who are dating other men.
	Just a recommendation for you.
	Maybe some of you are okay with it.
	Maybe you don't care.
	But you're allowed to have standards, gentlemen.
	Consider it.
	I do want to rekindle a little something between Natalie and you girls here at the beginning of the show.
	Perhaps I should have brought it up sooner.
	You guys were getting into it.
	Let's rekindle it.
	Let me stoke the flames, stoke the fire.
	Okay, get back into it.
	Madison, you can sit here and I'll just watch.
	Where's the popcorn?
	There wasn't any popcorn.
	Them cookies are in print.
	They're shaking.
	They're cookies that have like some form of kettle corn.
	Make sure they don't have poop.
	Yeah, there's no poop.
	There's no poop in the cookies.
	Hey, just full circle on that moment because I finally remember.
	But the whole idea is, you know, we say, God loves me.
	I can do whatever I want.
	I got all this grace.
	But just how does it feel to have a God that loves you that much that doesn't need any of us?
	He wants us.
	God is daddy.
	God will always forgive.
	God is the father.
	God protects you and will forgive you for your sins.
	That's why people go to church because they sin.
	They're there to get better.
	But how does that make you feel?
	That you have the God of the universe.
	It makes me feel good.
	You see, God is daddy.
	He's the father.
	He's the father.
	We're the children.
	He's the goa.
	We are the children of God.
	I think one of the things when I fully embrace that, though, is when I went, man, you know, how good does that feel?
	And I want to love God.
	I want to honor him.
	And sinning is just going against God.
	Evil is the absence of God.
	And God is love.
	And when you read that book, you go, oh my goodness.
	You know, he knows a little something about something, the creator of the universe.
	But anyways, I just want to say that I'm sorry.
	Let's rekindle the fire.
	Go for it.
	Okay, Natalie, Cook.
	Okay.
	Yeah, I mean, look, I just take issue with the whole thing that is OnlyFans.
	For starters, like I said, the name of the platform, when people, and again, not to attack you guys personally, but they come on here, they say, oh, we're models.
	We're OnlyFans models.
	And my fans pay me this.
	You're not models.
	You guys don't have contracts with anybody.
	I never sex workers.
	I never classify models.
	I'm not the OnlyFans models.
	I think we all sex work.
	We do OnlyFans.
	That's what we said, right?
	Okay, maybe you guys didn't.
	But most people come on the show, or a lot of people who do OnlyFans say that they're models.
	I'm just critiquing the institution as a whole.
	I think it is just a glamorized lifestyle that is really dependent on selling that lie to other young girls, like you were saying, who come to you saying, I want to start doing OnlyFans.
	Let me know.
	Should I do it?
	Like I said, you do ultimately give them your referral code, but it's just in part a pyramid scheme financially.
	If you look at the way the money goes down, the top 1% of creators are earning basically all of the money.
	But I think what it particularly is, is a cultural pyramid scheme.
	And what I mean by that is that it's not that you're trying to get these young girls like in an MLM type thing where, you know, buy the new Mary Kay makeup, buy the new pair of leggings or something.
	You're trying to convince them.
	And you guys, no offense, are doing it just by sitting here and trying to normalize sex work and laughing about sex.
	I specifically said it's not normal and it's not for everyone.
	By sitting here and you guys laughing about it, normalizing it, saying things so flippantly about sex, it is in effect normally the cultural pyramid scheme angle of it is that you are trying to get girls to buy into the fact that doing OnlyFans will not have any negative impacts on their life down the road, which is categorically false.
	I am here publicly speaking saying I would not encourage girls to open on OnlyFans because not everyone's as strong as me.
	OnlyFans is not for everybody.
	You could sit here and put our work down as much as you want, and I'm strong enough to take it.
	I'm strong enough to be online and read.
	I'm not putting down your work.
	What I'm putting down is the idea that you're not going to be able to do that.
	But they're not saying that we're encouraging younger women.
	It's not a good idea.
	I think it's okay to put down sex work.
	It's okay to criticize sex work.
	It's okay to criticize commodifying women's body.
	If that's what your heart tells you.
	You didn't even tell us your body count and you want to sit here and like talking about it.
	My body count is under three.
	Okay, then why didn't you say that?
	You said, oh, I don't want to say that.
	Because I'm a professional person with a professional career and I don't make money.
	And why are you here?
	Why am I here?
	Because I'm having conversations because I'm here to be open.
	I don't get the privilege to be able to talk to people who are outside of my industry.
	So I'm here to talk about that.
	Well, I just want to make sure one thing clear.
	I don't encourage any young girl to do what I said.
	But what you guys are doing is single-handedly, not single-handedly, is part is one of many, many, I would say, planked attacks against the nuclear family, against Western civilization, Western society, that makes it a heck of it a lot easier, like you said, for men to just bail out of their relationships.
	Again, I'm not saying that you're directly responsible for the divorce rate, but you are making these parasocial relationships a lot more normal, whether it's making it a lot easier for guys when it doesn't work with their wife to just start watching really deranged forms of porn, or more precisely, like we were talking about in the beginning of the show, when you said most of the people who are giving you whatever it is, $5, $10 a month are people that you said will probably in their lives never be able to actually get into a real relationship with a woman, and you are stringing them along, keeping them in a cycle where they will never actually find happiness.
	And I think it is cruel.
	I think it is cruel what you are doing to these men who give you money.
	I'm sorry.
	Sometimes before the internet came out, what did you have to do?
	You had to go to the porn store and get a motherfucking VHS tape to watch it.
	You ever seen A Thousand Ways to Die?
	This guy had a bunch of VHS tapes full of porn and they fell off.
	Porn has always been around.
	But it's always been around.
	And the internet's going to keep going.
	It's going to keep getting worse and worse.
	And there's nothing that we can do about it.
	It's really sweet that you guys, you know, and you can help people, but it's not going to change the world.
	It wasn't going to be, though.
	Growing up and they're going to be able to get it.
	OnlyFans change.
	OnlyFans is not the one that's, what was that word you said?
	Why can't I pronounce it?
	So accessible.
	OnlyFans is not as accessible as things like Corn Hub.
	But OnlyFans is different than corn in the sense that you're selling a girlfriend experience.
	And my point and why that is so damn good.
	Have you ever thought about people that are on the verge of, you know, deleting?
	Deleting, yeah, deleting themselves.
	Okay, so I really think someone is standing on a bridge, they're about to jump.
	No, they're probably going through it.
	Are you going to let me talk?
	You think instead of going to a therapist that they should go and pay you $5 a month to see your ass?
	That's okay.
	We're all scared.
	I think as well.
	You're not letting anybody talk.
	You just keep talking.
	I'm missing the point that.
	I came from a very privileged household, you know.
	But there are a lot of girls that didn't.
	And, you know, I even know some girls that came from off the streets and built themselves back up by doing OnlyFans.
	And, you know, that's how they've built their career.
	But that's an anomaly.
	I think a lot of girls, it's really helped them for the money side of things.
	And also a lot of girls love, like me, like the freedom of it.
	And they really enjoy it.
	Like, if a girl doesn't enjoy it, you think she'd just surely stop.
	Because, like, I think that's an anomaly that's going to be a lot of fun.
	Well, if you're saying she has to do it and the nuclear family is being destroyed, bad home life, bad surroundings, and pushed into this.
	I don't know that.
	But that was the scenario where it's happening.
	But if there's a divorce, the rate of poverty increases, more jail time, earlier pregnancies, we can go down the line, bad in school, all types of things, right?
	We know these things aren't good.
	And so how can we help these women and not just put a band-aid on it real quick because they're going down a path?
	I mean, I appreciate all of you being here.
	And you said, you know, you are strong and you are also strong to have gone through what you've gone through.
	I can only imagine what it feels like to be on the other side of the table.
	And I think just we got to look at how can we truly help these women that are going through this.
	That's a hard question to answer because any normal person would be like, the only way that you can help someone in poverty is obviously government assistance.
	What happens when you on government assistance, you have to get more taxes?
	Yeah.
	Maybe I'm not very politically, when it comes to like how the government's run or anything like that, I'm not the smartest person.
	However, I do know that if somebody's on government assistance, that money does come from taxes.
	Yeah, no, seriously, like educate me on this now.
	Well, to be honest, I don't really know like the whole political thing of what's going on here with.
	Well, I think that's sort of a cop-out.
	This has nothing to do with politics.
	This is your industry.
	No, but I just think that's a good idea.
	I think the issue is bigger than me.
	I enjoy my job.
	I enjoy my life.
	You are encouraging.
	I think that is a good idea.
	Coming back.
	The government is never usually the answer.
	You can attest this.
	You know better than all of us.
	But coming back to that, let's just say, I don't know how much you made.
	I don't know how much you made.
	I don't know how much you made.
	But let's just say y'all got a million dollar net worth and these women are reaching out saying, I'm coming from a broken home.
	I need the money.
	I have to do this.
	What if the ministry was, hey, let me give you some money?
	Not a million dollars.
	You don't have to give them.
	But, you know, you've gotten this and beauty coming through this situation of helping them get off their feet, helping them get into a job and being the body of Christ.
	The girls that have usually meshed me have been like, I really want to do this.
	Please, like, give me advice on how I can grow the platform.
	Not like, should I do it?
	Should I not?
	And obviously, I always, like I said to you earlier, I always say, like, please, please, please have a massive think about this because it's a huge deal.
	Even though it doesn't seem like it these days, it seems like, you know, you can just make a subscription and then you've made a million pounds.
	Yeah, it's not as easy as it looks.
	It's a lot of work.
	And if you don't have a platform, a good platform, it's going to take you a long time to make any type of money.
	My other critique with OnlyFans, and again, I'm getting mixed messages.
	Yeah, Dr. Tyler, he's telling me to talk, so I really don't do.
	But I think, again, I think we come at this from maybe you come at it from more of a religious perspective.
	I just come at it more from like the culture war side of things.
	But I also just think that when you do OnlyFans, and I don't know your career history or background or anything like that, from what I understand, you dropped out of school.
	I don't know what you guys have done.
	But I just think honestly, when you sign up to do OnlyFans, and I mean this in the most respectful way possible, but it's sort of like a self-own, an own goal in the sense that you're basically saying that if, again, the only reason that it sounds like you guys are doing it is because of the financial reward that you reap from it.
	I don't.
	That's really annoying.
	Okay, well, then we can table that for a second.
	But it's just like saying that you make your money with the lowest common denominator of being a woman, which is having a vagina, a boobs, boobs, and an ass that you take pictures of.
	And I just think it's sort of insulting to yourself by saying like the only way you can make a living in this world is by selling pictures of yourself.
	Like we all could do this, but I choose to make my money and have a living by having a podcast and doing shows.
	I could or I couldn't.
	You think I wouldn't do well on OnlyFans?
	I think you do incredibly well.
	No, I'm not saying that you wouldn't do well.
	I just feel like you're not strong enough for it.
	You don't want to be judged.
	Well, I'm not strong enough to have a personality.
	It's not a Person that doesn't if I don't want to commodify my body because I think I'm worth more than five dollars a month, then yes, I do think I'm worth more than five dollars.
	Something like that, I would say something more from like the infield influence, I would say, that like sometimes it could cause.
	But I feel like a lot of younger women growing up always have had struggles with like feeling super sexualized or like objectified.
	And like we've had girls come on the stage, and I don't want to charge you, but I think you I heard you say this earlier that you love being like sexualized and all this stuff.
	So I think that's what's happening with like this whole turn of hookup culture.
	Like girls just are buying into the fact that it's okay to be sexualized and objectified.
	So that's why a lot of more people are spreading their legs and just like feeling free to go around.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Like she mentioned before, before she was working as an OnlyFans creator, she was having more sex than she is now that she's an OnlyFans.
	Yeah, and there's definitely people that are like that, but I'm saying if you go on big platforms and say that it's okay to be sexualized and to feel that way, it's not a sexuality.
	What's wrong with sex or what's wrong with feeling?
	That's what I'm saying, though.
	A lot of young women grow up having so much trouble with being sexualized and objectified.
	Let's go mad.
	Well, OnlyFans is unique too.
	Again, I'm not hyper well-versed in the platform, but I think it is A, uniquely accessible because it's online, right?
	And it's not like porn in the sense that you actually have a direct line.
	Maybe it's a typer, maybe it's allegedly not, but with the person who you're paying, whatever you're paying per month.
	But I think that is where you, when you talk about the objectification, and it goes back to what we were talking about earlier in the beginning of the show, is that that platform not only does it commodify women's bodies, but I think it makes it very, very hard for women to be able to stand up for themselves and set boundaries with men and how they want to be treated because you're normal.
	You're choosing the wrong thing.
	But you guys, you're normalizing a pattern of reaction, a pattern of behavior where if a man pays you $5 a month and an extra, whatever you charge, you don't want to demand that $25 though.
	It's not about me.
	I'm just saying generally, how are you guys not normalizing a pattern of behavior where if a man gives you X amount of money, you will then show him whatever you want of your body?
	That's what it's great about OnlyFans is that it's your choice.
	There's no one behind you saying my body, my choice.
	But I think that is the delusion of OnlyFans.
	It's not your choice.
	You're living in a culture that's telling you that you think you're empowered by doing it.
	And at the end of the day, you don't want to adjust yourself.
	So now you're not.
	Choice of empowerment or tastefulness.
	And they still make like, you know, books.
	And so it is.
	It's not for anybody.
	It's not for everybody.
	Why else would you tell a young girl to get involved in all fans?
	We don't tell them.
	I'm saying hyperface.
	Exactly.
	Okay, then why besides money, why do you guys do OnlyFans?
	I do the free.
	I love sex.
	Yeah, I really enjoy sex.
	Why not monetize over?
	Then why don't you do it for free?
	Because you can make money off it.
	Why would you do something for free?
	You said you love sex.
	Make money off of it and have fun.
	Yeah.
	And you don't have some fucking pip in your ear telling, oh, you can do this, you can do that.
	And who's that?
	I do do it for free with the person I want to do it with.
	Have you ever heard the saying, like, if, oh, fuck, I forgot the saying.
	I'm not going to be on it.
	It's something along the lines of, like, you know, if you want to, if you never want to work a day in your life, do something.
	If you like your job, you never work a day in your life.
	Okay, do you guys think that dating apps and the illusion of endless choice makes it easier for men to sort of duck out of relationships and ghost?
	Wait, sorry, say that, Gabby.
	Like, I think that we can all agree that, like, dating apps have made it easier for men to feel like, oh, it's not really working with this one girl.
	Like, it's a lot easier to ghost, right?
	So do you think that OnlyFans and the platform, again, not you guys as individuals, but just the business model of it, the concept of it, also sort of exacerbates that idea that it's just a lot easier for guys to bail out of relationships.
	So just to make it clear, like I don't feel like OnlyFans is responsible for all these single women out here that can't buy in love.
	Not single-handedly.
	It's not single-handed.
	All the responsibility lays on you guys.
	I think the guys need to also take a look at it.
	Honestly, it's guys.
	Guys don't want to come out with all guys.
	I don't want to set up a lot of people.
	All that normal is the culmination, honestly, I think, of a very, very masculine holding a gun up to their head and saying, subscribe to my OnlyFans.
	They do it because they want to.
	If they don't want it, it's their own issue.
	They need therapy.
	Some people just do it because it's fun.
	I have guys with girlfriends who have big boobs.
	I have couples that watch it together.
	There's girls that buy it.
	There's always behavior that leads to a healthy, normal society.
	Why do we have to be normal?
	Who wants to be normal?
	I don't want to be able to do that.
	I think that if you feel normal.
	If you're porn, then you actually get what you want to do.
	Benefits society.
	Make sure that everyone's over it.
	I feel like paired with that.
	Some people do benefit from it.
	If I'm fans and people don't have anybody to talk to.
	There's going to be another side.
	Like I said earlier, like I said earlier in the podcast, corn and moderation actually shows to be healthy.
	However, let's say that, I mean, I was asking you, do you think it benefits society?
	Are you guys aware of the effects of a corn addiction?
	Of course.
	We were just talking about.
	Now, with that being said, do you guys, how would you feel if one of your subscribers ended up having a corn addiction and knowing that him or her watching your content was affecting their life?
	I can answer on this because I do want to try to wrap up soon.
	So if you guys want to give your responsibility.
	I would actually advise that he seeks help.
	Seek help.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Anything?
	Yeah.
	Lily, okay.
	All right.
	I am so ready, Flam Cookie.
	Wait, yo, Nick, could you pull up the chat?
	Yo, chat, I was just, we were doing a couple tests back there.
	For the entirety of the show, was this angle, the center angle, was the frame rate, like, was there a bit of stuttering on the frame rate?
	That's why I had Maddie waving her arms as we.
	I noticed that the frame rate was none of it's been recorded, like it was uh fucked up on the center camera.
	So one in the chat.
	If maybe it's just on our end, maybe the frame rate looked totally fine on your guys's end it was pretty minimal, but I did notice a frame rate differential, so minor early on.
	Looked fine, seems fine.
	Frame rate was fine.
	Okay, maybe it was just on on our end, but uh, it was a little weird.
	So okay, let me do a couple chats and then we're gonna try to get out.
	Actually, we have some tweets from Lily.
	We have two tweets from Lily.
	That's your name, right?
	Yes anyway, anyone else.
	So done with only fans girls pretending to be into football just so they will appeal to the male audience.
	That's kind of typical of this was actually make it one bigger please, because the replies could be sus.
	I'll disclaim this.
	This was actually cuss.
	I mean I can't really say it yet, but I should be going into.
	You know, have you heard of boxing like influencer unboxing?
	I should be going to that.
	So it was to make fake beef with other OnlyFans girls.
	That was the disclaimer.
	It wasn't like my actual view.
	I don't care what other girls do.
	But definitely OnlyFans girls will do that.
	Like, oh, I like soccer or football, as you guys say, but actually they don't.
	Like, it's just basically pandering, right?
	Yeah.
	But I don't care how other girls stage part of that.
	They pander to the male audience so that they can get more money, basically.
	Next.
	Still in awe from when Dylan Dannis came to the UK.
	He's half man, half horse.
	Eggplant emoji.
	Wait, so were you romantically involved with Dylan Dennis?
	Yeah.
	Well, it was just before his fight, and he was in the UK.
	Wait, his fight with Logan Paul.
	Was that that was in the UK?
	Yes, it happened in Manchester.
	Oh, yeah.
	I mean, I know they had a fight.
	I didn't know.
	I forgot that it was in the UK.
	Wait, so like the day before the fight?
	It was at their weigh-in or something like that.
	I can't quite remember.
	You actually, you and Dylan Dennis?
	Yeah, we've got a few times.
	We had a threesome.
	Well, we fucked, then had a threesome, then fucked.
	Wait, is this out there?
	Because I don't want to be the podcast.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	I don't want to be the podcast where people like go on to like.
	This information is out there.
	And he actually encouraged me to talk about it.
	Oh, are you guys still in touch?
	Yeah, yeah, we talk.
	Oh, okay.
	And like.
	Okay, because I don't want to be like, I feel like it's bad.
	It's not like cool to, I don't want to be the podcast.
	No, not outing him.
	No.
	Yeah, I don't want to be that, but I'm not sure.
	I've only tweeted about it.
	Oh, you already, you did.
	Yeah, that is true.
	It was tweeted about it.
	Public information.
	Okay, he's hung.
	And you guys hooked up a couple times.
	Yeah.
	I assume he didn't have an issue with your.
	Funnily enough, no.
	Oh, okay.
	You guys still talk?
	I wouldn't say like talk, but like, you know, if I was to text him, no, he'd text me back.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	I actually, I think I DM'd him.
	I wanted to invite him on the show because it's kind of like all this tweeting about Logan Paul's fiancé or wife was kind of funny, not yeah.
	I didn't really know about it all, really, like the in-depth.
	So I knew like there was some antagonizing going on.
	So he's got, what's it called?
	BDE.
	Is that what it is?
	BDE.
	What?
	Big dick energy.
	Big dick energy.
	Yeah.
	And just big dick in general.
	Cool.
	No, he's nice.
	We have Hilly Jr. literally just confirmed my question.
	Thanks, girls.
	And anyways, love the podcast.
	Keep it up.
	10 in our eyes.
	Brian Loveham.
	Australia.
	Hilly Jr., hey, thank you.
	Really appreciate your patronage tonight.
	This is your first time.
	I think this is your first time messaging us.
	So, or sending a, or you've sent a few tonight, but this is your first show doing that.
	So thank you for your patronage.
	I appreciate that.
	We have Aranks 545.
	Thank you.
	Vulnerable's testimony on your podcast takes courage, proves Romans 8, 28.
	Marriage vows are powerful when taken seriously, can literally overcome any hardship.
	Thank you both for sharing what a real marriage looks like.
	Very inspirational.
	A little wholesome moment there on the whatever podcast.
	There you go.
	I don't know if you guys want to do a quick response to you guys want to have a quick kiss.
	Oh, you're later.
	Your mind is in the gutter.
	Sorry.
	Just stop me.
	Thank you.
	It is true.
	And just like we were talking about, any situation can be redeemed.
	And so it's never too late.
	And if you're watching, you're an incel right now or you think you might be going in that direction, it's never too far.
	You can turn things around.
	God loves you.
	I'm here for you.
	If you want to talk, just reach out to us, let us know.
	But no, I'm just thankful for the love, grace, and mercy that the Lord showed to us and that Becca showed to me.
	And I'm just thankful.
	Thank you.
	I do have a quick question.
	You know, if I repented from my sins, would like a church guy.
	Wait, can you scoot your mic this way?
	Sorry.
	Still.
	Scoot it, scoot it, scoot it.
	Yeah, there you go.
	There you go.
	Still.
	Still what?
	Did you say hit?
	Hit, like, I don't know, like, Dave.
	Oh, my God.
	It's his son.
	Hold on here.
	Hold on.
	Yo.
	We have Stay Safe here.
	He just raided us on Twitch.
	Thank you, dude.
	Thank you to all his viewers over there on Twitch.
	Guys, if you're just tuning in, we just got done talking about World of Warcraft and Hearthstone.
	I was telling these fine ladies here about Season of Discovery and my own personal experiences when it comes to World of Warcraft Classic.
	You know, I was asking these ladies here.
	You know, what's the best loot system in Classic?
	You know, not Season of Discovery, but Classic.
	We talked about, you know, we talked about Loot Council.
	We talked about, sorry, what's the best loot system?
	We talked about Loot Council, EPGP, DKP, GDKP, Suicide Kings, Soft Reserves, if there's another one.
	What's the other one?
	Twitch chat there's another loot system that's really hold on let me google loot systems But ladies, you guys were weighing in.
	So one by one, please tell us what is your favorite loot system in World of Warcraft Classic?
	The loopy one.
	The corrupt one.
	The what?
	The corrupt one, the loot council?
	Yeah.
	The suicide voice one that you're talking about.
	Suicide Kings.
	Suicide Kings.
	Ladies, over here.
	Right over my head.
	I don't, yeah, I don't know.
	Whichever one is the best.
	Oh my god, we have Bad Venus with a, what's going on on Twitch with the raids?
	Yeah, thank you guys.
	And I was telling them right now, guys, so I'm like AoE farming.
	I'm fucking like this whole podcast, I'm just like, it's like always a 7v1, like 8v1, but like, think of it this way, boys.
	Like, I'm a 60 mage, like, fully tier 3, like, bis, best in slot from fucking Nax, right?
	And, like, these are just a bunch of, like, they're like greens to me.
	They're like level 50s.
	I'm fucking AoE farming them, fucking on some mage shit.
	Like, boom.
	I think that was a slaughter.
	Yeah, well, or I could even, bro, we could even frame it like you guys are in, like, you know, mobs and shit.
	Like, you're some mobs.
	Like, I'm grinding at Dawson's tier in fucking Eastern or Western Plaguelands.
	And I'm a fucking mage, right?
	Cone of Cold Your shit.
	Fucking Cone of Cold, Flamestrike, boom.
	Ice Nova.
	I'm going to fucking Arcane Explosion.
	All of you.
	I've just been farming, you guys all night.
	Is that a cream pipe?
	No, y'all stupid.
	I hate that.
	That's not good.
	Bro, this is the podcast.
	I'm just, you know.
	I'm your cream cutter.
	But so the best loot system, what was the loot system that I forgot about, though?
	BGNETT.
	There's DKP.
	Hold on.
	DKP.
	I feel like I was missing one.
	I said EPGP, DKP, GDG DKP.
	There's Soft Reserve.
	There's Suicide Kings and Loot Council.
	So thank you for Stay Safe.
	Thank you for the raid.
	Appreciate it, man.
	Appreciate it.
	Yeah, World of Warcraft.
	hope you're getting paid a lot for these ads for world of warcraft no that's just like i don't play the game anymore but occasionally i'll just tune in to like stay safe stream and And, you know, just like, I live vicariously through Matt, who's Stay Safe.
	A cook.
	For the gaming world.
	A cook?
	Because you're watching.
	Like, you're like the watcher in the corner kind of living, for instance.
	Well, here's the last question that's World of Warcraft related.
	Again, Matt, thank you for the raid.
	Appreciate it, man.
	So, okay, you have two choices, right?
	Like, would you date a guy?
	Like, if you had a, would you date a guy who played a rogue or a guy who played a warlock?
	Very important.
	Warlock.
	Warlock.
	Which sounds cool.
	I'm going to go rogue.
	Rogue?
	Okay.
	Warlock.
	Do I have to?
	Warlock.
	Warlock.
	Okay.
	So you guys are more like caster friendly.
	Like, you don't really fuck with melee.
	You're more like casters.
	You prefer casters.
	What are those?
	What are those?
	Oh, you know what I'm talking about.
	None of us know what you're talking about.
	Like, Warlock, right?
	Fucking bring out the succubus.
	Like, hold on, let me fucking get the shit.
	Like, with the whip?
	Yeah, the succubus.
	He's into beaten.
	No, not really.
	And you know, like, there's the fucking void walker, right?
	Boom, sends in the void rocker.
	Matt's not a fan of the void walker, but you have the imp.
	Imps are always great.
	He shoots some fucking firebolts and shit.
	Wow.
	Good talk.
	Good talk.
	All right.
	Yes, yes, go ahead.
	I wanted to circle back.
	Can you repeat that?
	Thanks, Matt.
	Yes.
	So, if I repented for my sins, would a Christian guy who's got great morals still for you?
	No, you're done.
	I'm sorry.
	Hey, I don't think this question was directed at you.
	Sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry.
	I'll admit you.
	I'm out of it.
	I do think it's possible.
	Absolutely.
	There's Brittany De Lamora that Manny brought up earlier, but she was a former porn star.
	She was a porn star for six years, and she married a Christian man, and she now has made it her mission to help other women getting out of the industry.
	So I don't believe, is everyone going to be like, yes?
	No, there's going to be people like Brian who are like, absolutely no.
	You're going to be manot.
	Yeah.
	You are written off, but I don't know.
	Sorry, Lily.
	No, there is forgiveness.
	There is that hope and that redemption for your story to turn around.
	And there absolutely could be a Christian man who'd, Lillian, you rated yourself a six.
	And that's ridiculous.
	You are so, so beautiful.
	And I don't see, I don't think you see all of the value that you have going on.
	I know you made little comments, but they went a long way for me of just saying.
	May I just jump in on one thing?
	Just one thing, one thing.
	No.
	So, yes, she is an attractive woman, but you know, if we're looking at the scales, she's had sex with over a hundred men.
	Okay, okay.
	Sometimes I apologize.
	I apologize.
	In your current state and your current portrayal and how you are presenting yourself to the world, no, I don't think a true Christian man who's following the Lord is going to pursue you.
	But if you repented and said, Hey, I'm a follower of Jesus now, I want to turn my life around.
	I want to do things differently.
	I absolutely think there are men out there who would find forgiveness just as Jesus has forgave you and would pursue a relationship and a marriage with you.
	So I do not think hope is lost for you to find a Christian man.
	Absolutely not.
	Amen.
	I love that.
	Yep.
	I never will.
	And if I could address it.
	My recommendation to Christian men for your own sake would be to, I'm sorry.
	There's probably other women.
	Probably stay away.
	There's other women out there.
	Is this real life?
	I hope you as girls understand that you're being taken seriously when you make the decision to get married, aka the wall won't be available for the caliber of man you want sad.
	Okay.
	That's your opinion.
	Don't switch it back, Nick.
	Hazel, I need you to.
	So anyways, we were talking and, you know, the body count is, you know, pretty cool, and there's all kinds of body.
	Anyways, okay.
	So let's see.
	Oh, let me do a couple things here.
	We have some from Emmanuel.
	And I do want to try to wrap up here pretty soon just because it's getting a little late.
	But, Manuel, you said, should we consider going back to arranged marriages versus love marriages?
	They have a lower divorce rate.
	Do you want to talk on that, briefly?
	I don't personally think we should, but I think we should look at why there are a big difference in this divorce rate.
	I think that's the answer to that question.
	Next.
	Oh, getting tired.
	I do think there's something to be said for being set up with someone by someone who cares about you.
	Every single person in my family was set up with their spouse and we all are happily married and so I think you know just going on a dating app where there's no recommendations and you know you're just randomly searching I think if you want a happy relationship find people, surround yourself with people who are in happy relationships and then see who they know that might be available and be a fit for you.
	My recommendation.
	And then Manny, you also said why the dissolution of gender roles is causing the human race to become extinct.
	Want you on the real quick 2.4% 2.4 birth rate replacement rate that we have for the world, 1.6% in the U.S.
	I know I wasn't supposed to say this, but we have the gayest generation right now.
	They can't have children.
	I won't say anymore, but it's not helping.
	And we say, love is love.
	And I go, hey, it'd be nice to be able to love if we all weren't extinct.
	I'm not saying that's the only problem.
	Porn is a huge, huge issue.
	That's my whole crusade.
	But the Lord says these things because he loves us.
	And so you also said you shouldn't have sex before you're married.
	Yep.
	Can you talk about that?
	Yep.
	If you aren't Christian, there's no point in getting married.
	It's a sacred bond.
	God is blessing that union.
	And so if you go, what is the point of it if you're not married?
	Or if you're not of the faith, I don't quite know.
	Could you be Jewish?
	What?
	Yeah.
	So you could either be just fairly people are trying to get my fucking.
	When you don't have faith, you're not entering into it as seriously, which is why we have such high divorce rates and people like Brian not wanting to get married because I think when they have high divorce rates because of social media and how they've been high for a while.
	The divorce.
	All men are cheaters, then that's why.
	No, I'm sure there's plenty of men who are married to women, and they're totally faithful, and they're good husbands, but for whatever reason, I don't know if the woman, look, I would suspect there's like, the woman gets bored.
	Women cheat also, yeah.
	There might not even be infidelity, but they get bored.
	On to the next.
	Look, if you're in a genuinely abusive relationship or there is infidelity, I think that's a reason that could very well, that's certainly a good reason to get divorced, but like if you're just bored, oh, I don't like the per, like you got to work on that, I think.
	Well, that's why you got to keep it spicy.
	And I think to your point, you just got to say, hey, let's have a vulnerable conversation.
	I'm getting kind of bored here.
	Yeah, you got to be connected.
	Can we talk about this?
	And communicate with your partner.
	Work growth.
	Communication is key, for real.
	For real, son.
	The shizzle.
	For Becca here, a couple things.
	You said you're from a family of five girls, and four of us were set up with our husbands, as were your parents.
	We're all still happily married.
	As for the one sister who wasn't set up, that was not you, Current.
	Okay, yes.
	One of my sisters wasn't set up, but she did set up two, like me and one of my other sisters with our husbands.
	Okay.
	I'm just saying.
	That's right for us.
	You said that, I think we might have talked about this, female sexual satisfaction going down rapidly.
	And you said, especially during first hookup, women only orgasm 11% of the time.
	Did you want to add anything to that?
	I did talk about that earlier when you were in the bathroom, but my argument was for, hey, when you're in a committed relationship, statistics show that women have more sexual satisfaction with a committee.
	Because they're eating pussy.
	Oh my God.
	Could be for some.
	You're not just going to eat anyone's pussy.
	You're going to eat someone.
	Yeah, your wife's pussy.
	I'm still not doing it.
	Sorry.
	Then she's not going on a day with you.
	Sorry.
	I think you did.
	Me and Natalie have a professional relationship and we're going to keep it professional.
	What if your wife came to you one day and had a vulnerable conversation that she was not just getting satisfied with your fingers?
	She really loved her.
	Yeah, she would be.
	You really loved her and she was perfect for you.
	And she had like aversion.
	So what's the scenario?
	She's going to divorce me if I don't go down on her.
	Goodbye.
	That's such an ultimatum.
	I'm not going to ask you.
	You're going to talk about it before you get married.
	Probably.
	That was a deal breaker.
	It's just about like what you're doing.
	Do you tell girls on the first day that you don't eat pussy?
	Yeah.
	Do I tell them?
	Bro, they watch the podcast.
	They fucking know.
	Not everyone.
	First, okay.
	First off, I've actually encountered a lot of women that actually, they say they actually don't like it all that much.
	Look, some women, not all women.
	It looks like it wants someone good to it.
	No.
	Really?
	Yeah, some women might feel a little self-conscious with it, or maybe they just, it doesn't do anything for them.
	Look, yeah, I just don't do it.
	Sorry.
	Well, yeah, you should tell them.
	If they want, yeah, they can ask me.
	Well, they could ask her.
	Ask her what?
	If she does porn.
	Yeah, I suppose.
	I think me not going down on a girl is far less of an issue.
	No, no, it's important.
	No, I think it's far less of an issue than what if she didn't give you heads.
	Hold on, let me finish my sentence.
	It's far less of an issue than her having who she has like dozens, if not hundreds of videos of herself on the internet having sex with other men.
	Yes, that's a bigger deal breaker than me not going down on a girl.
	Yeah, it might be for some, but it's still something that I think is.
	Comparatively speaking, comparatively speaking, that's a way bigger deal.
	That's a way bigger issue than me not giving head.
	Look, I care about a woman's pleasure, but let's go about it a different way.
	What if she told you she wouldn't give you head?
	You wouldn't have to do it.
	Well, that's a different thing.
	So if a woman just generally didn't like doing that, that's different than I'm not going to do it because you don't do it, where it's this like retributive tit for tat thing.
	That's not healthy in a relationship, but if she just, it's interesting though.
	Like, people are allowed to have sexual boundaries.
	And one of my sexual boundaries is I don't enjoy doing that.
	Some women don't want to have anal sex.
	That's totally fine.
	They shouldn't be pressured into doing it.
	Men are allowed to have sexual boundaries.
	One of my sexual boundaries is I don't want to.
	That's fair.
	I don't enjoy it.
	I've got, you know, I'm not going to necessarily go into the reasons, but I got neck issues.
	There you go.
	There you have it.
	You can do it with your little patch thing.
	I'm good.
	I'm good.
	You can get the toys anyway.
	These days are like.
	The rose, the rose.
	Oh my God.
	The rose.
	So, yeah.
	Anyways, also, Becca, you said that men aren't wanting relationships because porn is easier.
	All you think about is yourself, and you don't have to care about a partner's needs or desires.
	Humans are going to become extinct if people don't stop watching porn.
	People don't actually have insanely high sex drives.
	You said it's important to call out your boyfriend or girlfriend and not just accept them as they are, whether they are getting fat, having a fixed mindset, or watching porn.
	I don't know if there's any of those that you care to elaborate on, but you also said the more people post on social media about the relationship, the more insecure they are about it.
	That's actually a very good point.
	Any additions or elaborations on that?
	On the social media point.
	Yeah, people who like posting on social media about their relationships.
	Yeah, I think we just have to think about why am I doing this?
	Why am I pushing this content out there?
	And I think a certain level of posts to keep people updated on your life.
	Like, I think the last time I posted was, hey, I'm pregnant, you know, because I wanted my extended family to know, you know, we're having another baby.
	Erin donated $100.
	Natalie have been following you since day one at the National Pulse with Raheem Love that you're branching out in other content.
	Your facial expressions tonight have been gold.
	Thank you very much.
	Thank you, Erin.
	Appreciate it.
	Yeah, and Ali's been great.
	Becca, feel free to continue on.
	Yes, so when we feel this need or this desire to be posting all the time about our relationship and just, oh, all the places we're going, it's like, who are you really doing this for?
	Why are you posting all of these things?
	It's to prove to other people that you have this great relationship.
	It's like, just enjoy it as it is.
	So I'm not saying it's everybody, but I just think it can be indicative that you are more insecure about it because you're looking for that, you know, dopamine hit of, oh, I'm getting a lot of likes on this post and people think my life is great when people are only posting the highlights.
	So.
	Yeah, I'm great.
	Wait, do you really think the world's going to go extinct if people keep watching porn?
	I really do.
	Really?
	England's so overpopulated.
	Yes, it's like, okay, we're at 1.6, so the average woman is having 1.6 children.
	We need 2.1 to keep a stable population.
	But what's crazy is that over the last basically 50 years, it's gone down from women having three to having 1.6.
	So that is a steep, steep decline of, you know, it's men want, I mean.
	Do you think it's because of porn or the cost of living?
	And I also think it's because women are like.
	Yes, you guys are responsible for the upcoming extinction of the human race, okay?
	How do you feel?
	How do you feel?
	How do you feel horrible?
	Wait, is it genocide?
	No, it's worse.
	It's xenocide?
	Wait, no, that's a book by Orson Scott Card.
	Hold on.
	Wait.
	What would be the side if you're trying to?
	Just we're going to kill people because what's the term, chat?
	Pull up chat neck.
	Is xenocide?
	That's like if you kill aliens or some shit.
	Right?
	Genocides on purpose.
	Is it gigocide?
	What is it if you want to get rid of like everybody?
	What's that called?
	I think it's called genocide.
	Genocide.
	Extinction.
	Ender's game, by the way, guys.
	Ender's Game.
	Great book series.
	Oh, so Zenicide.
	Born aside.
	Extinction, pornicide.
	304.
	304 side.
	How do you guys feel for being responsible?
	That's funny.
	I don't feel mad at all.
	Extinction.
	I know.
	We're dysfunctional and we're older and then they're becoming really independent and they're wanting to be more like ambitious.
	I think there's a lot of factors that play into it.
	I just have seen the stats of how dramatically things have shifted in such a short period of time where people are getting into relationships less.
	They're marrying less.
	The most shocking set to me was 63% of men under 30 are single by choice.
	They can't afford a family.
	I think all of that They don't want a relationship because people are it's easier to just go online and just jerk off to a screen.
	You know, it's a lot harder having an intimate relationship with someone that can hurt you.
	Yeah, it's a lot harder.
	It's a lot harder.
	And people are all about instant gratification right now.
	It's I want it now.
	And I don't want to admit that I'm wrong on anything.
	I want to say I'm perfect.
	You know, all these things.
	So it's many different issues that are going into women.
	It's part of the problem, women viewing themselves as objects.
	Women, you know, the feminism movement of I don't need no man.
	It's like there are consequences to not doing this life thing together with a man.
	And also, you're robbing yourself of the opportunity of having the most precious thing that I have in my life.
	You know, it's like marriage has been the biggest gift to me.
	So I just feel sad for the people who are not even wanting to pursue relationships anymore because they're so set on the instant gratification that porn gives.
	So no, it is not you three individually who cares this problem, but it is perpetuating it, this porn issue.
	And it's leading to other things and other issues in our society that contrary to my animosity towards OnlyFans, I think why I am so particularly passionate about what you guys do is because I think there is a bigger agenda with what you're talking about.
	And I'm not even going for like Bill Gates depopulation.
	I'm just saying in general, I think if you look at this climate change narrative that has been peddled as to a reason why people should have fewer children, I think it's just part of sort of a broader agenda.
	And you cite financial reasons.
	I think they have intentionally hollowed out the middle class and the lower classes in this country to make it basically untenable, right, to have a single income household or to want to have more kids, right, when you look at what the birth rate used to be.
	And I think particularly on the culture warfare side, which I would say maybe to your credence, like that is probably the least impactful of all of it.
	I think a lot of what they're doing with like the agriculture, the foodstuff, the low T levels, all that, I think is a lot more, I would say, effective in achieving these goals.
	But I do think that feminism, the pill, the sexual revolution, and I think OnlyFans and porn is sort of the end stage culmination of that cultural shift.
	And when you guys sit there and say, I feel so empowered by doing this, I do it because I love sex.
	I know you may think that, but there are forces that are a lot more powerful than any of us here.
	There are corporations that want you to be sitting there and saying that because they want you to buy into this narrative because they are intent on the destruction of Western civilization and the way that they have always done this empirically, whether it's socialism, communism, Marxism, has been going after the family unit.
	And what you guys do is detrimental to the family unit.
	Shots fired.
	I just love shagging.
	All right, with that, with that, we do have to wrap up the show.
	So a couple things before we do, though.
	I think we went over everything.
	Let's see.
	Wait, okay.
	We did that.
	Yep.
	Wait, oh, there's one more thing.
	Let me think.
	I think we got, we should probably wrap up.
	It's getting late.
	Okay.
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	Please get us to 1 million.
	What's that?
	Are these pinned?
	These tallies.
	Pinned.
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	Pint.
	Pinterest.
	Pinned.
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	Oh, no, those are the most popular.
	Yeah, so those are most popular.
	I was going to say, they do crazy views.
	Yeah, they did well.
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	We get a different color one that's a little bigger.
	So help us get the 1 million plaque for our second channel.
	That would be our second 1 million plaque.
	It's coming soon, so help us get there, guys, before YouTube shuts us down for having these crazy conversations.
	So I do want to give a big shout out.
	Nick, if you're able to pull up the Team Vulnerable website, this is Manny.
	And if you can scroll it up, let's pull that up.
	Nick, can you scroll it up a little bit so we can see it a little bigger?
	No, no, no, scroll it up so we bigger.
	You can make it a little bit more.
	Let's go down.
	You'll see this.
	Oh, they're down.
	Scroll all the way down for Manny's book.
	You'll know when to stop.
	This is Brennan Fraser.
	Okay.
	Oh, is that you, the black eye?
	Wait, go back up.
	Terry Carlos.
	Terry Cruz.
	It's not on that page.
	Oh, he's the wrong page.
	Sorry.
	Oh, sorry.
	Yeah, you're not on that page.
	I love him.
	I knew you were Terry Cruz.
	So it's a different page.
	Honestly, I don't know.
	It's just teamvulnerable.com is what it'd be on.
	Billie Eilish.
	Billy.
	Oh, okay.
	I see.
	I see.
	Wait, scroll up.
	But if you go to teamvulnerable.com, maybe that's your animate teaser.
	Then they can see my before and after photo.
	Wait, this is team vulnerable.
	This is, but it's a different page.
	What is it about us?
	So just go straight to teamvulnerable.com.
	Oh, Nick, did you type it in?
	Oh, that is?
	You don't have the before and after it.
	Sorry.
	It is.
	Sorry, gang.
	Well, in any case, guys, go check them out.
	We have the link for them in the description of the video.
	If any of you are, it's primarily people who are struggling with.
	Porn addiction, correct?
	Yeah.
	Yes.
	And if you want to add it.
	We got programs for spouses to go through, people in serious relationships, one for parents and kids to go through together, and we have one for people who are single to go through together.
	It's about taking one moment of strength and vulnerability and standing up to this issue, and you can have freedom from this.
	Yeah, so teamvulnerable.com.
	The link is in the description.
	Go check them out, guys.
	And I think that's it, right, Nick?
	What are we forgetting?
	Are we forgetting anything?
	Is that it?
	Okay, all right, guys.
	So I feel like I'm forgetting something, but oh, jazz cups.
	Gentlemen, I don't know if you've noticed.
	You see these glass jazz cups?
	I've tapped out my, guys, I don't know.
	I'm trying to get, so I'm trying to get more of these.
	I don't know, chat, maybe you prefer.
	Do you prefer the glass ones over the paper ones?
	Guys, my supply is running out.
	I've gone.
	I've had to do so many returns because they're sending me the wrong designs.
	They're trying to do a bait and switch.
	These companies, I literally, I've returned like five cases because they sent me the wrong ones.
	I've scoured the internet.
	They're just not making the fucking jazz cups anymore.
	This is a staple of the whatever podcast.
	So if any of you are a distributor for Dart, I think it's Dart or Solo Cups, and you're willing to put in like a five, I think it's probably going to cost you $5,000 to get like, I think the minimum cases, you have to buy like 100 cases of 1,000.
	Maybe you can ship me, ship me two cases.
	I'll buy two cases.
	You know, I'm a nice guy like that.
	I'll buy two cases.
	I need some cups, boys.
	If any of you, this is such a ridiculous.
	You should get an OniFans and then you can like pay for this maybe.
	I don't want to spend $5,000 and like, where am I going to store 100 cases of 1,000 solo jazz cup designs?
	Do they need to be jazz cases?
	Yes, because I'm OCD and I refuse to get, I don't want the red solo cups.
	It has to be the jazz.
	I like the jazz designs.
	And I reached out to the company.
	I got in contact with their sales force.
	I'm like, yo, just like on the DL, fucking throw me a case or two, son.
	They don't print it.
	They don't print them anymore.
	It's really a, it's a real job.
	Maybe if you get like a real hardworking job, you'll be able to get some.
	If I have a hard working job.
	Or maybe just buy like white real job.
	Get a real job.
	Buy white ones and just draw it.
	Yeah, someone could make a design for you.
	This is, it's probably a, well, I don't know if the term is a Hail Mary, but.
	If anybody has a connection with solo cups, get me a fucking case of 16 ounce.
	I'll take, shit, I'll take 12 ounce.
	I'll take even, we'll go oversize.
	I'll take 22, I think 22, 24 ounce jazz solo cups.
	Help a brother out.
	Help me out, guys.
	You know, you know, I'm trying to, you know, run a podcast here.
	I'm struggling, guys.
	So I'll pay for the, I'm going to pay for it.
	I'll pay for the case, but I can't stock a hundred cases.
	Okay.
	Will you eat pussy for it?
	Fuck no.
	With that said, last call.
	Hit the like button, please, on your way out.
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	I appreciate that.
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	Thank you to the wonderful panel today.
	We had a quite lively show.
	Appreciate it, guys.
	07s.
	Oh my God, this girl.
	Okay.
	Sorry.
	One time on a podcast, I did for today.
	But then it fucked it because it fucked out the wet.
	Out you go.
	Out you go.
	As a Millet or whatever.
	Okay.
	Good night, guys.
	07s in the chat.
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