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Michael Knowles DESTROYS Whatever Podcast?! Are OF/E-Girls Traditional?! | Dating Talk #132

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	And actually, I'd also like to throw out, Nick, if you're able to pull it up, Michael Knowles has a fantastic YouTube channel, but also a fantastic cigar company.
	You make a great point.
	There it is, Mayflower.
	There it is.
	And actually, just for this show, we are now.
	We sold out four-month supply in 24 hours.
	We've been out of stock.
	It's the biggest cigar launch ever.
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	We've been out for months just for this show.
	Pre-orders are live again.
	Mayflower.
	Circuit.
	We should do a Kubanka for the library.
	You know what I have to say, though?
	You have to be 21 years old or older to smoke cigars and some exclusions apply.
	Although I was 15.
	You know what?
	Can you pull up the thing one more time?
	The window tab with his website.
	That's not exactly.
	I was hoping the homepage.
	Do we have the homepage?
	We did.
	I don't know.
	Whenever you get it.
	Take your time.
	Take your time.
	No rush.
	It's all good.
	Yeah.
	Boom, look at that.
	You know what?
	How did you come up with the name Mayflower?
	Well, some of my family, not the Italian part, but the English part, came over on the Mayflower.
	Oh, wow.
	That's so sick.
	Thank you.
	Super sick.
	That's an endorsement right there for Cindy Zhang.
	All right.
	We should put that on the website.
	Yeah, I should promote your model.
	That would be great.
	I'll get you a cigar.
	Okay, she's on the hustle.
	So, I don't know.
	I was going to make a point about the.
	Oh, there it is.
	If you want to end.
	There we go.
	That's great.
	That's great.
	Well done.
	All right.
	And is it in association with the Daily Wire?
	It is, yeah.
	I went to the Daily Wire and I said, hey, could I have a cigar company?
	And because the Daily Wire doesn't make business decisions based on like finances or responsibility or logic, they were just like, yeah, sure, totally.
	And so we made this thing based in part on my family, you know, the Mayflower, but also that's very American.
	And cigars are very floral.
	You get a scent, you know.
	It's delicious.
	I'm going to smell it right now.
	That's.
	What's your take?
	What do you think?
	It smells fresh.
	Very fresh.
	It does.
	Yeah.
	You can pass it around.
	It's religious in the sense that the body is a temple and the temple needs incense.
	So you can get yours today.
	There you have it.
	Sounds good.
	Without further ado, we're going to have the guests introduce themselves.
	So please, starting with you, we'll have you tell us your name, age, location, so where you're from, and occupation.
	Go ahead.
	Hi, guys.
	My name is Cindy Zhang.
	I am a model, actor, streamer, and a lot of other stuff.
	I'm Maddie.
	I'm from Atlanta.
	I'm 19, and I do OnlyFans.
	I'm Naomi.
	I'm 25.
	I'm from Scottsdale, and I do OnlyFans.
	My name's Sophie.
	I'm 21.
	I'm still figuring out my occupation, but I'm from Atlanta and I just moved to San Diego.
	Hi, I'm Nicolette.
	I'm 24.
	I do OnlyFans.
	I'm a stripper.
	And I'm from Orange County, California.
	Hi, I'm Mia.
	I am 21.
	I'm from LA, and I do OnlyFans.
	Hello, my name is Madison Vu.
	I'm 19 years old.
	I'm a full-time student at Santa Barbara City College at the moment.
	I work on the Whatever podcast as well as the Rose with Myanmar.
	I'm Michael Knowles.
	I am a cigar salesman, and I do not yet do OnlyFans.
	And I don't intend to.
	I don't think I would do very well on it, but I certainly don't know.
	There's a market for everything if you collaborate with me.
	I don't know.
	I'm not sure if it's not totally skyrocketing.
	Oh, well, okay, in that case, maybe.
	Okay, there you have it.
	All right.
	Going around the table once more, what is everybody's current relationship status?
	So are you single, talking stage, situation ship, friends with benefits, relationship, married, polycule, sex cult?
	If you're single, how long have you been single?
	What's your longest relationship?
	Go ahead.
	I am single.
	So any of you guys that are watching, you know, hit my line.
	But like, my longest, maybe like half a year.
	Haven't really dated long term.
	I'm single.
	I've been single for a little over a year.
	My longest relationship was.
	I'm single.
	I've been single for a little bit over two years.
	But yeah.
	I'm single.
	I just broke off an engagement.
	My longest relationship is probably two years on and off.
	When did you break off the engagement?
	Like a month ago.
	A month ago?
	What happened there?
	I think it just came down to compatibility and the other person not knowing what they wanted.
	When we started dating, he was originally a woman, and then after the engagement, he transitioned into a man.
	So I think it was something that just we weren't compatible.
	Wait, so you said he was originally a woman.
	So born female?
	Born female transitioned to male.
	So you were dating a female initially and engaged to a female?
	Yes, I'm not sure the most respectful way to put it.
	But when we started dating, he said, I'm a woman, I want to be treated like a woman.
	And then he transitioned.
	Well, wouldn't it have been she said if we're talking past tense?
	Well, actually, I'm not sure on this one.
	I think now they say whatever you change to, that's the one you always have to do.
	Even if you're talking like it's a historic.
	Caitlin Jenner won the men's decathlon.
	She did a great job.
	That's what they want you to say.
	I think she refers to be called he.
	The most respectful way to put it is to use their chosen pronouns.
	Okay, even when, okay.
	Even when.
	So it didn't start off that way, but now he prefers to be called he, so she respects that.
	But if you're talking about something in the past, can you retroactively change it?
	He said X, but at that point he was a she, so then would it not, could you say she?
	I think everyone's opinion is different, and it's just what is most respectful to the person and what they prefer.
	And so midway through your relationship, she wanted to become a man.
	Midway, like halfway through the engagement, one day, out of nowhere, he said, I'm a man.
	I'm going to start my transition.
	I'm going to get on testosterone.
	You're on board or not.
	Where did that come from?
	I genuinely don't know because it wasn't talked about ever before that.
	It was just kind of one day it was like, this is what's happening.
	Did you ask?
	Were you just like, well, sure?
	I definitely was interested in getting, like, knowing why and when he made that decision.
	And he said he had talked to past exes about the transition, and they were basically like, if you transition, I'm going to break up with you.
	And that wasn't my position on it.
	I just was kind of like, why would you not bring this up before you asked me to marry you?
	Huh, okay.
	Biologically, does he still have a vagina?
	Respectfully, I'm not going to talk about his.
	Okay.
	So do you, in terms of your sexuality, are you bisexual?
	Are you straight?
	Are you lesbian?
	I think I'm still figuring it out, but I think I'm bisexual, leaning mostly towards women.
	Okay.
	Got it.
	Okay.
	Nicolete, what about you?
	I'm single.
	My longest relationship, seven years, and I've been single for almost two years.
	Okay.
	I am single.
	I've been single for about a year, and that's it.
	Sorry.
	I'm not single.
	I'm in a beautiful, lovely, committed relationship with my boyfriend, Frankie.
	My current relationship is my longest relationship.
	It's about a year and five months.
	I'm married with children.
	I have been married for five and a half years.
	I dated my now wife again starting like age 21, 22.
	But we dated the first time when we were 16 to 18.
	We basically, everyone told us we had to break up for college, and then we got back together at the end of college.
	And we met when we were 10 or 11.
	Oh, wow, that's beautiful.
	Oh, thanks.
	Yeah, it's beautiful.
	So that's my longest relationship, you know?
	Because that's most of my life.
	Hold on, Cindy, that did not sound very authentic when you said that.
	I thought that was cute.
	Oh, that was very cute.
	Was that not sincere?
	I don't want that.
	I thought it was cute.
	No, it was sincere.
	I thought it was.
	It was.
	I'm talking about my brand ambassador for Mayflower Cigars here.
	She wouldn't be precise.
	You guys have kids?
	We do.
	How many?
	Two and a half.
	Boy or girl.
	So two boys.
	Then the one that's cooking, we don't quite know.
	We're not going to find out yet.
	Congratulations.
	Thank you.
	Thanks.
	It'd be nice to have a daughter so that someone would take care of me and my wife in our old age and be like nice to us and things.
	But I don't know.
	My wife thinks perhaps the new one is a boy.
	And I think I'm so teeming with testosterone and Y chromosomes and virility, I don't know that I would succeed at producing a daughter, but we're trying.
	Quick question.
	Why does she have to be a girl to take care of you in old age?
	Why couldn't your sons do that?
	Look, they could, but I'm just knowing how they are is the thing.
	Look, it'd be nice if they didn't shove us in a home.
	I'm just looking at statistics and probability.
	I'm not going to take care of you either way.
	But that's your kids.
	That's your kids.
	That's very sweet of you to say, and I hope you're right.
	But I don't want to bet on that.
	I want to cover my basis.
	Well, maybe you'll get a daughter.
	I might.
	I might.
	Actually, Michael adopted me, so I'm going to take care of you.
	And you're actually, how old are you, son?
	33.
	Oh, I'm actually older than you, so I'm going to tell you how that works out.
	The gals came up to me after, they said, Michael, we thought you were much older than you are.
	I said, what does that mean?
	Oh, man, I thought you were like 50 or something.
	I was like, well, that's very insulting.
	Why would you?
	She said, no, I'm just saying, man, you don't give millennial vibes.
	You're like a big boomer.
	And she was just insulting me right to my face.
	Yeah.
	It's outrageous.
	You don't look old, though.
	Thank you.
	You look great.
	You have really pretty skin.
	What did you say?
	I said, you have really pretty skin colour.
	Oh, come on.
	Shout out to skincare routine.
	Yeah, drop the skincare routine for all the girls.
	All right, so skincare routine.
	Number one, you got to descend from Italians, so you have to produce olive oil just on your face all the time.
	And then you should shower regularly.
	And that's about it.
	Wow, simple.
	Simple.
	I'm half Italian, I guess.
	I got like half that gene.
	Yeah, you've got great skin.
	Thank you.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Well, I'm curious because aside from Madison and Michael here, it sounds like all of you are single.
	So what does being single in 2020, is it 2022?
	24?
	Oh, my God.
	Yeah, it's been 24.
	What does that actually mean?
	What does that look like?
	So Cindy and the rest of you, you've been single.
	Come on.
	There's guys in the picture, right?
	No.
	I don't know.
	The way you kind of darted your eyes a little bit makes me question if that's true.
	No, there isn't.
	I just been working.
	No guys in the picture.
	So if I told you that somebody DM'd me after your last appearance and said, well, actually, I've been romantically involved with Cindy.
	That wouldn't.
	What?
	I'm just kidding.
	I'm like, who?
	Snoop Dogg?
	Who?
	Snoop Dogg?
	What?
	Did he DM you?
	Oh, no, but another rapper did.
	Anyways, well, what about you?
	So you're single, right?
	But is there, there's, and when we say single, like, let's also include situationships, sneaky links, friends with benefits.
	What's a sneaky link?
	Ladies, want to help me out on this one?
	It's a person you sneakily link with.
	And by the link.
	Yeah, you're not You're low-key about shit.
	You don't care about, like, it's not like you're going to date the person, but it's cool if you hang out.
	What's the difference between that and a friend with benefits?
	It's basically the same thing, but keep it a secret.
	This is more sneaky.
	Why is it more sneaky?
	Because the person is more shameful.
	It's just more, no, it's just a little bit more.
	It's just low-key, you know what I mean?
	You turn.
	It's like you don't pop out together, but you leave together.
	Yeah, that's what it is.
	That's what it's like.
	What a devastating description that would be.
	You know, you don't pop out together.
	It is.
	But she leaves you.
	It is.
	That's exactly what happens.
	Like, I swear, that's exactly what happens.
	But it sucks.
	So now that we've got some definitions.
	I don't like, I'm not talking to anyone at the moment, though.
	Nobody?
	No.
	Zero?
	Single, single.
	Single.
	Yeah, very single.
	So, so, okay, I'll go around the table on this, but what about you?
	Nothing in the picture.
	Nothing in the picture.
	But, I mean, we all get DMs.
	We're all cute girls.
	We all get DMs and stuff.
	We have options.
	But no, I don't entertain anything right now.
	I'm just trying to work and grind out.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	I'm currently single, single, single.
	Not looking.
	Remind me, how recently was the breakup of the engagement?
	A month, a little bit over a month ago, but then how long were you guys dating for?
	Not long enough.
	How long?
	We probably got engaged like four months after we started dating.
	So that was my first mistake.
	I will say that.
	Okay.
	Who proposed?
	It was kind of both of our leases were ending at the same time, and he was like, I really want to move in together.
	I really want to take this the next step.
	I was like, I really don't.
	And then finally, I agreed to move in together.
	We were getting more serious, and he was like, hey, well, I don't want to move in with you unless we're engaged.
	And I was like, okay, well, I'm not ready to commit my whole life to you right now.
	So.
	And then he was like, it can be a long engagement.
	Like, we can take our time.
	We can figure things out as we go.
	And I was like, okay, sure, I like you.
	I see.
	Okay.
	One quick.
	Is anybody, so you're bi, right?
	Anybody else here bi sexual?
	I'm straight as a line.
	Straight.
	But I like fun girl content.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	Just for content.
	Self-promotion.
	How about, okay, so who's for content when you're making your content?
	Okay.
	What about women?
	Y'all want us to laugh?
	What about you?
	What about for actual romantic interest?
	No.
	Interpersonal romantic.
	Okay.
	Well, I think women are beautiful.
	Yeah, and like women are sexy.
	I love boobs.
	I love that.
	Like, okay, I love like, I'm not attracted to women.
	Y'all just had Jasmine on here.
	That's my co-host on Thoughts with Thoughts.
	I'm just.
	Thoughts with thoughts.
	T-H-O-T.
	Yeah, that's good.
	That's good.
	Okay.
	Question for you.
	How many first dates have you been on with a woman?
	Oh my God.
	Like 10?
	Oh, 10.
	So, question.
	Who pays?
	I'm just curious.
	Like, on a, if it's, you know, you get dinner, who pays?
	If it's two women, who pays?
	Yeah, like, I think when I'm with a woman personally, I think it should be equal effort-wise.
	A lot of times I offer to pay if it's going well, or I offer to split it.
	But one thing I like about relationships with women is there's not as much pressure with that kind of thing.
	So it kind of like gives you the opportunity to get to know someone without like, okay, who's paying or who's taking who out.
	It's kind of more like a friendship at the beginning.
	Okay.
	Interesting.
	So you guys just split the bill or?
	I mean, in my experience, like if it's going really well, like sometimes I'll offer to pay or sometimes the other person will offer to pay.
	It kind of just depends.
	And do you have a different standard when like if you're going on a date with a guy, does your standard change that?
	I have never, since like before, since I was like 14 or 15, I've never subjected myself to going on a date knowingly with a man.
	What do you mean by subject?
	What do you mean by knowing?
	I just don't really enjoy it.
	I just don't really, I mean, and maybe my position will change.
	Like, if I really, really like a guy, I could see myself pursuing it into the relationship stage, but I've just never really gotten to that point with a guy, and I've never really chosen to go on a date with a guy over a woman.
	When you say starting at 14, that's when I swore off men.
	It wasn't swore off men, but I feel like middle school in my freshman year of high school, I'd have those little cute little flings.
	It doesn't mean anything.
	You don't really do anything.
	You just kind of hang out.
	And once I got to the puberty point, I realized I liked women, and that was the end of that.
	But I feel like the older I get, the less closed off I get to potentially pursuing a relationship with a man, but I think it would just have to be something like a situation that stood out to me enough that I liked that person enough, and it just hasn't.
	You haven't met Mr. Wright.
	Wait, question.
	Was the precipitating factor of the end of your engagement because of the transition of your partner?
	Totally, right?
	I don't think that, it wasn't because of the transition of my partner.
	I feel like it was because of his failure to disclose certain things to me and make things look a certain way and then turn out a different way.
	Right.
	I feel like it just caused a lot of trust issues because I'm like, if you thought about this a year ago and you say you want to marry me and spend the rest of your life with me, then why would you not tell me this?
	Did it just feel like betrayal?
	Yeah, kind of.
	Yeah, and you mentioned that they knew this before.
	And then before you guys even got together.
	Yeah, and before I was more in, like, I was convinced I was a lesbian.
	And I very well might be, but I'm just not as closed off to potentially letting a relationship with a man happen.
	What would that even mean, though?
	If you say, like, I'm open to dating men, but I might be a lesbian.
	What does that even mean in that circumstance?
	Didn't you just say I'm busy not a lesbian?
	I mean, I don't really like labels because I think I'm so young and I'm still figuring it out.
	And I haven't like been on enough dates with guys to say I would never end up with a man.
	Yeah.
	But I just prefer not to.
	It's just kind of interesting.
	I'm not really attracted to anything men have to offer.
	Well, me neither.
	But it's sort of interesting.
	I can understand.
	I can.
	I really empathize with you.
	But it's odd to say, like, okay, here's what I'm doing, and here's my behavior.
	And I'm open to going on a date with a guy.
	And I haven't really gone on any dates with guys, but maybe, secretly, deep down, I'm a lesbian.
	But the way I think about what I really am, I think like, well, I am the things that I do, and I do things that I desire, and I desire things as I know them.
	And it's sort of just like, you know.
	It's not really deep down I'm secretly a lesbian.
	It's just that I feel like I don't have enough experience being with men to classify myself as a lesbian.
	And I'm still figuring it out.
	I'm a very open person and I feel like subjecting myself to labels makes it harder to be open to new situations.
	Do you want to have kids?
	I do want to have kids.
	Okay.
	But if your partner ends up being a woman, would you adopt?
	Would you do a surrogacy?
	I think that'd be something I talk about with my partner and see what they're comfortable with.
	But I think no matter what we do, I mean, I'm open to a lot of different options.
	Got it.
	Nick, by the way, to the whatever Instagram, I sent a Twitter video that I tweeted out a while ago related to the who should pay thing that's kind of somewhat related to this.
	But moving on, so, okay, Nicolette, single, but come on, there's, you got a sneaky link maybe, right?
	Sneaky link, nothing.
	It's hard out here.
	It's hard out here.
	Why is it hard out here?
	Guys just like suck in bed.
	Oh, so I'm like, I don't even want to try and like be disappointed and just catch an extra body.
	True.
	So I'm just like, you know, have my hitachi.
	There seems to be some good doctoring.
	Yes, it's just a shit.
	What's a hitachi?
	What's a hit?
	A giant vibrator.
	Oh, okay.
	I was thinking of the Japanese dinner place where they throw the shrimp in your mouth.
	Oh, hibachi.
	Daddy hotted.
	Yeah.
	No.
	It sounds like a lot of the women, excuse me, concurred with her position that, well, why even add another sexual partner?
	Because not even getting sexually pleasured.
	And you can do it better yourself.
	Yeah, when do you have vibration?
	Yeah, literally.
	Okay.
	All right.
	So that's it.
	That's the primary reason you're single, Nicole, is the men are just terrible in debt.
	Is that it?
	Well, that's not why I'm single.
	That's just why I don't have like a sneaky link.
	Oh, yeah.
	Well, what's okay, then why are you single?
	I'm single because I'm doing like active sex work and it's just like harder to date.
	And I just like want to focus on me.
	And once I'm at where I want in my career and financially, then I'll be able to date.
	Would you give that up to date someone?
	If someone's willing to fund my life, then yeah.
	Why do you have to look for someone to fund your life?
	Because why would I quit what I'm doing?
	That makes me like so much money.
	Well, if what you're doing is preventing you from having something that you would desire and would make you happy, then you might say, look, okay, I can make more money stripping or whatever, but maybe I'll make double what I can make stripping, you know, or I could make half of what I make stripping working at a Starbucks or something.
	I don't want to work at a Starbucks.
	Like no woman wants to work, to be honest.
	So you want to find a man to get married?
	Yeah, I'll be a fucking housewife.
	But if you're saying that, no, that's all great.
	That's awesome.
	But so if what you're saying is doing your current job is preventing you from doing that, shouldn't the first thing you do be to quit that job?
	No.
	Why not?
	I'm young.
	I was in a relationship for seven years from like 15 to 22.
	So I just want to experience the single life and I like it.
	So I'm going to keep doing it.
	I thought what you were saying was I do want to date someone and I do want to be a housewife and I do want someone I want someone to cook for.
	So if you want those things, then that means you probably don't want the single stripper life.
	Because those things are mutually opposed, right?
	Yeah, I think I'll probably like date in my 30s.
	And then that's kind of putting it off a while, right?
	Don't you want to have kids?
	Not right now.
	No, 30s.
	It's tougher to have kids in your 30s.
	I'm fertile.
	You did say that you would be, if I have it correct, you would be willing to date if the man was prepared to provide for your lifestyle.
	Yeah.
	Well, what, I mean, what are we talking here in terms of numbers?
	He's got to make how much?
	Well, if I'm going to be, like, a stay-at-home, like, wife, I'm going to need, like, my car payment, all my bills, like, hair, makeup, basically, like, everything.
	And that costs a lot, and no one, like...
	Does it?
	What if your husband said, eh, you don't need all that stuff?
	Then he's not the right guy.
	not the man for her you've already got the guy though so why continue with the yeah why do you need to get your hair done if you already got that no The point of getting your hair done, right, is to go like meet a nice guy.
	No, to look good for my guy, if I had one.
	Right, but if he's saying, well, I just don't have the cash, so you might have to skip your twice a week hair.
	Sorry, babe, I'm going to spread my holes on the head.
	yeah that's straight up Yeah.
	My wife's never said that to me.
	But then again, I don't tell her she can't go to the hair appointment.
	So, how about that?
	Before we move on here, I had that video that I wanted to pull up.
	So, Nick, if you're able to pull it up, did you find it?
	Go ahead.
	Oh, wait, yeah, go ahead.
	That's fine.
	It's fine.
	Let the audio play.
	That's so funny.
	Okay, okay, okay.
	Has that been your experience on dates with women?
	I sent that video to my best friend, but no.
	Do you feel like who invites you should pay?
	Or like whoever is the one that comes up with the plan?
	Because I kind of feel that way in general.
	I think that's just kind of courtesy.
	Like if I were to invite my man, I'd be like, okay, like I could pay.
	Like if like, yeah, I think that if I invited you somewhere.
	Right, you know?
	Yeah, I think that if I were to take the time to plan out a date and decide what we were doing and where we were going, I'd definitely feel obligated to pay.
	In your last relationship, who paid for the most of the things?
	In my last relationship, my ex-fiancé paid for most of the things.
	I also feel like in lesbian relationships, there's always someone that is a little more the masculine partner and a little more the feminine partner.
	I do agree with that, but in most of my relationships, and all of them actually, I've been the more feminine one.
	And in most of my relationships, I've paid for more and taken on that role.
	Interesting.
	Really, we won't linger too long on the who should pay debate, but you mentioned that, well, whoever asks ought to pay.
	So going around the table, who agrees with that?
	Whoever asks, they should pay for the date.
	I think that's.
	I don't think ought to, but like, if I, I don't know, if I invite my man, like, I would just say first dates.
	Let's talk about that.
	First date now.
	A man got to pay for the first date.
	A man got to pay for the first date.
	If he's pursuing me and taking me out.
	Yeah, if I'm on a first date and they look at me like, pay this, I'm broken out.
	I'm working out.
	No, you're walking.
	No, you won't hear from me.
	I'm listening and I'm done.
	And you can stay and figure that out for yourself.
	That's not my business to handle.
	Like, sorry.
	Wait, so just okay, going around the table, I just want to get everybody's answer.
	Who should the guy definitely?
	Okay.
	The man.
	I answered mine.
	Wait, was that always?
	Or you could just restate yourself.
	Yeah, you know how I feel.
	But was wait, well, I want to get everybody's answer.
	I wouldn't say, I was just clarifying.
	Not always.
	I feel like once you guys get to know each other, we could go split half, you know, half and half.
	But I feel like the guys I've dated, they've always wanted to pay for me.
	Me too.
	They would never be like, oh, like, they would never let me pay.
	Okay.
	You know what I mean?
	If I planned something and I said I wanted to go here, I want to bring you here and I want to do this, I'm going to pay for that.
	But any other way, it's on you.
	Yeah.
	Nicolette?
	So I'm not going to pay.
	The man should pay, whether it's the first date or the tenth date.
	Unless we're like, you know, dating for a while, like exclusively, then we can split sometimes.
	Sure.
	Mia, what about you?
	I think on the first date, yes, the man should pay.
	I also think that if it is just a long-term relationship, then yes, you guys can share payments and share that.
	I think that's just the overall.
	Just you don't.
	I'm not a housewife.
	I can afford my bills.
	Do men like when you kind of like treat them sometimes?
	You're like, I got you, babe.
	No.
	Not really.
	I don't.
	They don't.
	I mean, I'm married, so it's not like I'm going on dates and stuff.
	But I mean, maybe if they're broke.
	I differ a little on this.
	I feel like that could be cute.
	Once in a while, like, why do you not go on dates?
	Because I'm married and my wife would object to that.
	She probably wouldn't take kindly to it.
	I thought y'all were making content together.
	I'm going to be.
	I know.
	Well, I appreciate you offering it, but I must decline.
	So I go, like my wife and I go to dinner.
	But I wouldn't call that like a date.
	I'm not going to go.
	I'm not like picking up a chick.
	But making content together doesn't mean dating.
	Well, my wife and I don't make content together either.
	I kind of do my podcast.
	I'm offering like a work.
	You're like my work partner.
	You and I are work partner?
	Again, I mean, listen, I'm going to have to clear it with my domestic partner back home.
	I don't think she's going to take very happily to it.
	But even when we were dating, my wife would offer to pay, but I just, I don't like it.
	You know, it feels kind of gay.
	Yeah, it feels like I'm the man.
	And even at points in my life where I haven't had a lot of money, I still feel like the man should hold the door, hold the car door, hold the restaurant door, hold the seat out and pay for the money.
	Well, that's just chivalry.
	Who says it's dead?
	Not men.
	Men does not.
	That's hot.
	And then, so on the conversational thread we were having, I think it was one of you two who said, well, whoever asks, they should pay, right?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	And so who agrees with that?
	Maybe just show of hands, whoever asks should pay.
	Is it a long-term relationship?
	No, first date, first date, first date.
	Oh, first date?
	First date.
	Second man.
	Sorry.
	You got to clarify, Brian.
	But I'm not asking a man on a date.
	Yeah, I'm not asking a man on a first date.
	Yeah, that's my kind of rebuttal to the whoever asks should pay because it sort of ignores the fact that in the vast majority of circumstances.
	Okay, so there's a couple threads I wanted to just wrap on here quick.
	So all of you, it sounded like, want the man to pay for the first date, correct?
	Okay.
	Except, well, you don't really date men, so you didn't weigh in.
	Well, you might.
	Probably not.
	If you did, though, would you want the man to pay?
	Not necessarily.
	Fair enough.
	But just a question for you.
	You don't do adult content at all, do you?
	No.
	Okay, but besides Madison and Michael and myself, everyone else here does do adult content to varying degrees of nudity, I guess you could say.
	My question for you then is, you have a rather traditional expectation of men, but please don't be offended, I would argue that being involved in pornography is rather non-traditional.
	So why do you, how do you reconcile expecting traditional treatment from men when you guys are engaged in very non-traditional, a very non-traditional occupation and behavior?
	It's work.
	So for me originally, I actually worked in the tech industry for two and a half years, and I was doing OnlyFans on the low.
	Naomi's not my legal name.
	I just did that because I didn't want to get fired because I was pretty high up in a tech company.
	And then I just decided one day, I was like, why am I making people millions of dollars when I can make myself millions of dollars?
	i'm not asking you to justify why you do the work that you do but like i'm asking why you have i i i would assume that you would not categorize yourselves as traditional women i want My point was, I was traditional, and no one knew about this other side of me.
	So how long have you been doing OnlyFans?
	A year.
	Okay.
	So my question is, is that you're not, none of you are traditional women, yet you have very traditional expectations of men.
	How do you reconcile that?
	I think for myself, I've been in long-term relationships alongside my job.
	And how I reconciled with that was simply being very upfront with the realities that I was going to always make more income in that relationship.
	And for that reason is why I say with long-term relationships, I wouldn't expect that man to pay for everything.
	And I know that you agree that men should be paying for most everything.
	And I do agree that depending on the type of circumstances of that relationship and who they are, that can happen as well.
	So my relationship to traditional relationships is not exactly as they're seeing it out as, but I know for some, a lot of girls like to expect a traditional relationship, but reality hips, we're not traditional girls.
	We do OnlyFans.
	We do all these other things.
	But you could just stop.
	Yeah, we could stop.
	Right, and then you could just do the traditional thing and find this rich man here.
	And he can pay for your hair, and then you don't do the other thing.
	Well, I do want to go around the table on this because that was a question that was posed generally, but to all of you.
	So Cindy, how do you reconcile?
	I think the man should definitely provide in a relationship.
	So then the woman should not be involved in pornography.
	I'm not even involved.
	Like, I don't make pornography.
	I don't make, like, if you subscribe to me.
	I'm not.
	I actually don't.
	And Pornham actually reached out to me last time because you said that in the video that went viral.
	I'm not, like, I'm not on Pornhub.
	I don't do that kind of content.
	But going back to the question, like, yeah, I think the guy should provide.
	It's been like that.
	The man chases after the girl.
	So it's been like that.
	It's always going to be like that.
	And it doesn't matter if you do OnlyFans, if you're a sexy model on the internet.
	It's not always what it seems.
	Once you get to know the actual woman and talk to her like we are right now, then you'll actually get to know her.
	It's not always like sexualizing a woman because she's like, you know, she's hot and like, you know.
	Oh, well.
	I kind of.
	I'm not sure if that really.
	Okay.
	Sorry, I was going to say I kind of align with what you're trying to say is it's kind of a mask per se.
	I don't like saying that, especially on camera.
	But our identities as these girls, as adult girls, is that we are these super hypersexual beings and that's not always the reality.
	That's not our actual identities.
	Some of us don't even have the same names.
	So I think that's where it kind of carries out into our personal lives and our private lives are very traditional as opposed to the untraditional ways that we present ourselves online.
	The persona online.
	But because of that, we obviously, like I saw, like myself, I include that into my relationships.
	There is a reality for myself.
	For others, perhaps not.
	But is it really possible to split yourself up into two people?
	I mean, you could have a stage name and a real name, and in your stage persona, you're one way, and in your real life, you're another way.
	But, you know, you're one person.
	Not two different people.
	Just the perception of how people see us online versus how we are.
	But I think that's to Brian's point.
	When you're dating someone.
	With two different identities.
	You're both of those people, right?
	And I guess you're going to be more one or the other.
	You're going to be an individual.
	So the stage persona might start to infringe upon the reality.
	And so would that change your expectations of the kind of guys you'd be dating or how you would behave with them?
	For me, my ex was the only person I ever made content with, like in that way, like to the furthest extent of content, I guess.
	No one else have I ever made content on that level with.
	Everything else is just me.
	You know, it's so crazy to think about the way we all talk today.
	Ordinarily what you'd be saying is we made love, but we're such a capitalistic, materialist, decadent society.
	Now you say, you know, my ex, he and I, we were so close.
	We made content together.
	It was the deepest content ever.
	You know, it's just something's really gone wrong in our society, hasn't there?
	Because really you should just be making love and making babies.
	No, I agree.
	I agree, but the money is something that I really hopped on and wasn't willing to walk away from.
	If it's very tempting.
	If I can support myself and the people in my life, that's all I ask for.
	Can I say something?
	I think that Not even, I don't even do content or anything, but I think we should treat people that do the same as we treat actors.
	Like, we don't judge them for the movies or the roles they play in movies or anything because the money is good.
	Do we not?
	You know, I mean, they're a little bit different.
	Historically speaking, actors have been considered in the same class as like criminals and prostitutes.
	Well, I know in my barrel, I don't look at a role my favorite actor plays and say, I don't like this role, so I don't like this person.
	It's kind of just like they're doing it for the money and they're doing it for the content.
	And I think it's the same with OnlyFans.
	No, no, sure.
	I understand that there are like these, you put on a mask and you do a hybrid.
	So what do you think about that?
	Yeah, what do you think, Brian?
	Well, look, let's you're trying to make a point of something in a broader sense, but I'm talking on an interpersonal relationship level.
	So for example, you could have, and I'll open this up to the whole panel, but I'll start with you.
	Would you object to a man who perhaps he has actually no issue with a woman being engaged professionally with producing adult content?
	He has no problem with it, no judgment of it.
	However, when it comes to his personal life and who he chooses to partner with and date, he does object to dating someone who has nude photographs of themselves on the internet for whatever reasons those may be.
	He's not outwardly judgmental about it, but when it comes to his personal preferences and who he wants to date, marry, whatever it may be, he does not want to date a woman who does OnlyFans or does porn.
	Do you object to that preference?
	No, I think everyone has different preferences and everyone should have the right to decide that for themself.
	Okay.
	But then that man would be judging.
	No, that's a personal preference.
	There's a pool for everybody.
	That's what I believe.
	If there's a group of guys who's not okay with adult content, then that's not the guy for me.
	So it's cool.
	You don't want to date me.
	I don't want to date you just as much.
	That's how I see it.
	I think the right one for you, you guys will come to a common ground together in the end.
	But right now, I mean, we're all single.
	We can all really do whatever we want without the feedback of a partner.
	Sure.
	Is it possible, though, that if you didn't do what you do, that you could get a better husband someday?
	Is it possible that the kind of guy who you might want to marry is the kind of guy who wouldn't want his wife to be in the sexual industry?
	Not for me.
	I think it depends on your standard of quality and what better actually is.
	So if you identify as better in a man would be somebody who is completely religious or is completely conservative or somebody who is completely against pornography in general, then better might be very, very large and more.
	What if it's even more basic?
	It's just like a guy who he's more faithful to you, he's better at raising the kids, he makes more money, he is more responsible.
	If I met the right guy and he didn't want me to do this anymore and we were going to be together, I'd quit.
	You'd quit.
	I'd be done.
	I'd be done.
	But that's not where I'm at in life right now.
	Like, I respect that.
	I think everyone, that would be hard.
	As a partner watching your partner online and for everyone else to see, like, I don't doubt that's hard.
	Is it possible, though, that what you're doing now is preventing you from meeting that guy?
	Because that guy maybe wouldn't even look at your kind of content, right?
	So is it possible that if you quit right now, you say, I want, you know, it's like dress for the job you want, right?
	You say, I'm going to quit right now, and I'm going to go do something else, and I'm going to go put myself in places where I'm more likely to meet that guy, Mr. Wright, who wouldn't want me to be doing this stuff.
	You know, are we not reversing the order of the way things might happen?
	I hear what you're saying, and I agree with you to a sense, but I think the guy for me is going to be the guy for me in the end.
	And I don't need to change what I'm doing right now.
	For him.
	Sorry.
	I think for a lot of us, at least for my sense, is I prefer a partner who's understanding and with transparency.
	So if they're willing to understand the reasonings that I chose to do my job and chose my occupation and have continued it for so long, then I think that's the perfect partner for me.
	Not everybody is going to understand, and not everybody that does understand is perfect for me.
	But eventually one day, just as she's saying, is that person may come around and that might be the perfect fit.
	But I don't think that everybody is possibly perfect, even if they don't appreciate or are accepting of what I've done in the past.
	So for that reason, I think it just comes around.
	Obviously, yes, if we all lost our jobs and we all chose to leave it, yes, there'd be a larger percentage of men or women who are willing to be with us.
	Obviously, she doesn't perform this type of work.
	But regardless, I think as well, just because we continue to do this to today, then I think most of us would prefer somebody who is understanding and compassionate for our decisions.
	Because you're putting the job before the larger pool potentially of guys that you can do.
	And I think it's also because that can show more of a moralistic value as opposed to the simplicity of, oh, so she left it.
	Great.
	Now I can finally hop in because now she's out of that system.
	Not necessarily that's what you're saying, but for the instance.
	I guess it would, if you quit, it would probably reflect a change in your point of view about it.
	Completely.
	And it's kind of what I, I don't know.
	When I was a younger man back in my youth, I was more of a derelict and did all sorts of things I shouldn't do.
	And mercifully, I married my wife, who's much more virtuous than I am.
	But that required me to become a little bit more virtuous.
	You know, like I actually wasn't really deserving of my wife.
	And, you know, so I worked on certain things and like partied less and stopped behaving badly for the most part.
	And so it's not like we're all just static, right?
	It's not all just like, well, the man for me is going to take me exactly as I am.
	Like, I don't know, I'm not perfect.
	I've got to work on all sorts of things every single day.
	So wouldn't the same be true for all of you?
	Yeah, completely.
	100%.
	I suppose.
	I think one thing that was interesting was like you said something about being in the right place or different places if we weren't in this work.
	I just don't agree with that because I do look at it as work.
	I think all of us look at it as work.
	So like pool-wise, yes, there's a different dating pool for us as sex workers, but I disagree that we wouldn't be like, you're religious, right?
	Pretty religious.
	Okay, so like if do you think sex workers like they're contradicting themselves by being religious?
	I'm not personally religious, but.
	No, well, you know, our Lord did dine with prostitutes, but that's not an endorsement of prostitution, right?
	So I don't know.
	I think probably what often, it could be hypocrisy.
	It could be that you say one thing and preach another and you don't really believe what you're saying.
	If you're say a prostitute or a porn actress and you say you're Christian.
	But what it probably more likely is, is you recognize, something in your mind has changed and you recognize that there's something good here that I should follow.
	But the body is kind of slow to follow and you like the money and you're kind of used to doing this and there's a fear of what might happen next and you're not even totally convinced because we're not just brains floating in outer space and we're not just bodies as unfortunately the sex industry would portray us to be.
	But we're both of those things.
	And so it creates a bit of a cognitive dissonance and then one is going to win out over the other and one hopes it would be the better alternative.
	So I guess that's another thing that I wanted to ask you to for clarification.
	So if we were to end sex work, right, for us, if I were to quit, would I have to be like, oh, that was a bad idea, like I regret it.
	Or could I possibly just be like, it doesn't make me happy anymore.
	Yeah, you could quit and say, I'm just quitting because, you know, it's Tuesday and I feel like quitting.
	You could do that.
	That's fine.
	I suspect that what would happen over time is as you, you know, people are always moving.
	You're always growing.
	You know, you grow or you die.
	And so you'll continue to think things and your thoughts will change.
	And very likely, if you are impelled to leave that kind of work because you have just an inclination that it might be better for you if you get out, probably over time you're going to look back and say, huh, you know, I probably shouldn't have done that.
	Not the proudest thing I've ever done, but you know, that's why pencils have erasers.
	And I'm very glad that I can be absolved of my sins and we move on.
	All sin and fall short of the glory of God.
	That's probably what would happen.
	But if the first thing you got to do is just say, eh, I don't want to do it.
	I'm out.
	It's yucky.
	Eh, whatever.
	Like, cool, that's fine.
	But does it have to be yucky?
	That's my point.
	Or even like, I'm not going to be afraid of you.
	Yucky's too.
	Because I said, I'm not religious.
	I was raised Roman Catholic, but I'm not religious.
	I was an atheist for 10 years, so you don't have to convince me.
	Yeah, that's fine.
	If there's just like some little inclination in you that says, like, something's just not quite feeling sitting right here, yeah, just follow that.
	You don't have to reason about everything.
	You know, you can just kind of follow your gut.
	Your gut is often going to lead you in a decent direction.
	And then you apply reason after that, and you say, okay, was that a good choice or a bad choice?
	Yeah, I just wanted to clarify, because the stigma behind sex work is like, it's bad, right?
	Everyone just says, like, it's bad, but.
	It's not good.
	I wouldn't say it's good.
	But.
	I think it's good.
	Do you really, though?
	I mean, the way you asked the question makes me suggest perhaps you have some doubt about that.
	Yeah, I mean, I worked in corporate.
	I had that lifestyle, and I compare that to how I live my life now.
	I'm way happier now.
	And people don't like to believe that.
	I think it makes them really mad when I say that.
	But my lifestyle now, I'm my own boss.
	Not constantly shit on by other people.
	No, no.
	I mean, yeah.
	I'm constantly in the way.
	I'm constantly shit on by other people.
	But I'm happy.
	I'm like genuinely happy.
	Perhaps.
	You know, I do believe you that you feel that way, at least a lot of the time.
	The thing is, if that weren't the case, then bad things wouldn't be tempting.
	Like, of course, bad things do give you, they give you a sort of euphoria, actually, for a period of time.
	But the longer-term consequences of that, like, for instance, forestalling meeting Mr. Wright, and, you know, perhaps forestalling having a family or carrying with it some kind of stigma that is natural and is probably never going away as long as society continues to exist.
	You know, yeah, these are difficult choices that if there weren't temptation, no one would do it.
	Right?
	I appreciate that.
	I also have like a genuine question about something you said earlier, and I do want to hear from like everyone else here also.
	But I think it's like 100% valid that you said like you in a relationship is a completely different person from what you present yourself to be online.
	And I just wanted to like ask, why would you want to present yourself to the whole world like someone that you aren't?
	I think it really depends.
	It depends on who I was then when I initiated, which I was 18, and who I am now and who I've developed into being.
	So at that time when I was 18, I was a lot more freeing in the sense that I was trying to get out of the house.
	I was trying to move away from my mom.
	And for that reason, I had a different identity, just as anybody does when they're 18.
	And in addition to that, I wouldn't want to present myself entirely as somebody who's so open about either her ass or her tips or whatever else as I do online for the growth of either income or fans.
	But I do think that it does help me in the sense of I've gotten confidence in it.
	I've gained extreme amounts of confidence.
	I've also become very happy from it.
	The fruition that it's brought on to me from doing this type of work is beautiful.
	It's just so much just like freedom.
	It's been a lot of financial gain, obviously, but it's not something that I'd want anybody else to also experience.
	I don't think that's...
	Why not?
	Yeah, I wouldn't recommend it to most girls.
	Because it's not good, unfortunately, due to the fact that I don't think it's good.
	I think it's actually not good at all, but I think it does bring goodness.
	I think it can bring goodness.
	I think it brings financial freedom.
	And it gives you what's disputing it.
	Yeah, but it's not going to bring good.
	Think it's a disgusting addiction for a lot of people.
	It's a disgusting world for a lot of people.
	And also the perspective that we all have on men after seeing what goes on in the chat.
	I disagree with that.
	I really disagree also.
	I'm successful.
	Of course.
	I just think like I disagree also.
	Yeah.
	Well, I totally agree.
	I think you should play.
	I disagree.
	I just think it varies.
	I think I love what I do.
	I'm not saying that I hate what I do.
	I absolutely love it.
	But you kind of do.
	No, I don't dislike it.
	It's good to acknowledge both sides of it.
	I acknowledge both.
	That's a double side of the business.
	Because you're basically saying, like, oh, it's not good.
	Like, you're contradicting yourself.
	I'm not.
	Like, if you watch this over again, you'll see that you're contradicting yourself.
	You said that it's a good financial game, but then you said something can help you handle risk as well.
	Yeah, no, you clarified, but you said it gives you good money, but it's not a good thing.
	I think she's saying mentally it can have a toll on you, but financially it's very freeing.
	And I think I'm agreeing with her on that.
	Mentally, everyone's different.
	So you mentally can feel totally different than how she can feel, and then how I can feel and how she can feel.
	So I totally agree with you.
	You're obviously totally right.
	But you're getting a lot of money.
	And money is great.
	And listen, there have been periods where I've made a lot of money and I like buying nice suits.
	So that's great.
	But is money ever worth it?
	If you're doing something that you're saying is intrinsically bad, it messes with my psyche.
	There's a degree in which I go with it, though, to allow myself to feel like this is where I'm going to draw the line.
	Yeah, of course.
	And then the line kind of moves often in these sorts of things.
	No, my line was drawn at the beginning and was never moved past that.
	And that's good.
	So like, for me, that's that.
	I don't know for everyone else.
	And it's not just about money.
	Some people just like being a slut.
	Do they really?
	I do.
	Do you?
	So do a lot of other girls.
	I do, really.
	I do enjoy it.
	No, you don't.
	What do you enjoy?
	I like the attention.
	I just like the attention, sure.
	You like looking pretty and getting your hair done.
	Sure, yep.
	Everyone likes sexual pleasure.
	But does that.
	So it's not just about the money.
	But couldn't you, you know, if you got married, you would get all of those things.
	You'd get a much better version.
	You'd get better sexual pleasure and sexual pleasure brought to fruition.
	And you would get someone paying for your hairdo, so you would look pretty.
	And you'd get plenty of attention from a man who actually loves you instead of a man who's using you and men who you in turn are using.
	But I just don't want to be married right now.
	Like, I just want to play the field and be a hoe.
	But you said you're not really dating anyone.
	You're not.
	I'm not, but you know, there's some hot guys out there.
	They're out there, but you're not dating them.
	This is only like the past few months, so I've been busy.
	But hey, I'm not opposed to if a hot guy with a nice thing.
	Like a nice package comes around and knows how to use it, like, then, yeah, like, let's do it, dude.
	But what about what you just said on how it's a bad addiction for most people?
	I think it is a bad addiction for some people.
	Do you feel bad about leading guys or encouraging this addiction?
	I do.
	And the only reason is because I've worked on this for three years.
	And not to highlight too much of what's happened in my personal life recently, but my personal life and my business life or my sex work life unfortunately has really crossed paths.
	Not because, oh, people want to sleep with me or anything like that because of my job.
	But if anything, people become stalkers and people become addicts to who you are online.
	And that's happened really obsessively for me in the past two weeks.
	That could happen anywhere, though.
	Like, I was like a waitress and I had stalkers then as well.
	But I don't think it's bad.
	I just.
	You only have bad to have a stalker?
	No, I'm saying like the industry and doing like sex work, it's not bad.
	You can have an addiction to literally anything.
	And I would argue that it's actually a good thing for some people.
	To be addicted to pornography.
	No, I don't think porn addiction in general, but I think it is.
	You don't?
	No, I don't.
	There were just like the biggest conventions for porn.
	I attended both.
	And there's a lot of people who have disabilities and maybe they can't go out in their real life and meet girls.
	So they like to have that one-on-one connection and get that experience with a woman on OnlyFans.
	And it makes them really happy.
	And I love meeting them.
	And they're not like these creepy guys.
	They are creepy guys.
	No.
	Everyone.
	Every single one.
	They are because they're engaging in a totally self-directed sexual act.
	And they're making an idol out of you.
	So I have a question.
	Have you ever watched porn?
	You know, listen, I was an atheist for 10 years.
	I was single.
	Dated some girls.
	I'm excited to see you.
	So we can rap.
	You can say that you're creepy too if you're going to say everyone's.
	And speeches are certainly a creepy act to look at pornography.
	Masturbating is so normal.
	Well, there's two meanings of the word normal.
	There's normal, like everyone does it, and there's normal, like a standard that you would say, like a norm, you know.
	And so it's normal in the sense that a lot of people, not everyone, but a lot of people do it.
	But it's not good.
	No one's proud.
	No one ever writes home, hey, mom, do you know what I did this weekend?
	It's very shameful because it's disordered and unnatural.
	It's so natural.
	Do you think?
	Yeah.
	I think that's a good question.
	Sorry, I think the sexual drive to either have sex with either one other person or whatever your preference is or by yourself is natural.
	Yes, it's very, very natural.
	You have sexual drives.
	That's why we go through puberty.
	I don't think it's necessarily fully natural to gokin to pornography every single day and all these things.
	And that's why I understand it self-reports.
	Unfortunately, you sound like you need to quit the industry.
	The sex industry?
	You were looking at me when you said that.
	Yeah, no, I don't know.
	I don't hate, like, I absolutely love what I do, and I love the connection.
	It doesn't sound like you do.
	I really do.
	I think she's being very considerate.
	I'm very considerate of just like the effects of that.
	Well, like, when you love something, you are passionate about something.
	You can be passionate about it.
	Right now, like, me and her, and maybe other girls are actually passionate about our work.
	We can sense that you are not all about it.
	Like, I shared, I'm only going to share so little of it, but when you're faced with a lot of the repercussions of those relationships, then you can call me and tell me that I hate my job.
	But I don't hate my job.
	I don't hate it at all.
	I am just unfortunately in a really bad circumstance where my safety is in jeopardy.
	But something fresh, too.
	You said it's just happening.
	And I've been there before where my safety was in jeopardy, too, and I understand what you're saying.
	I feel that.
	Yeah, that's not normal in jobs.
	Oddly enough, in my job, sometimes you're not.
	I talk someone at Walmart.
	I'm fighting.
	I think it's the obsession that comes with it.
	I think it's not the stalking where it starts, but the buildup.
	Yeah, and by the way, that's not just like a random by chance accident of the industry.
	That's built in.
	The whole point is these guys are supposed to get obsessed with you and then give you a lot of money.
	And then sometimes it goes over and it's really a dangerous situation.
	You can say the same thing about Brian.
	Oh, yeah.
	I would argue him.
	I want to stalk him.
	There were stalkers outside for him.
	I'm sure you have shocked that.
	I have some.
	I do deal with some.
	And you're not over here in a little bit.
	So then what you need to hear and bad, Brian.
	But there's extents to it because Brian's.
	Oh, that's certainly.
	Well, I will admit, and I think, well, this would apply to any sort of anyone who has any sort of public-facing career or who does content creation online, whether it's related to adult content or not.
	When you put yourself out there on the internet and you get any sort of, you start having any, even a small level of followers or even fame, then you're going to, it kind of comes with the territory.
	Celebrities deal with it, content creators deal with it.
	And think about the kind of people who would follow you.
	You kind of generate your own audience, right, based on what you put out there.
	For whoever listens to my show and speeches, it tends to be these really sweet, you know, like Christian girls and occasionally some traditional conservative dudes who get really into the Crusades or whatever, none of whom pose any threat to me, really.
	But if I were like a cute girl on OnlyFans and I were putting out content that were arousing creepy dudes, then you're going to get, then the people who are going to be aroused are going to be the creepy dudes.
	And those are the last guys that you want to be.
	They have to be creepy dudes.
	I know very normal people that subscribe to my OnlyFans.
	Me too.
	My mom's friends are.
	Very, very normal.
	Yeah.
	My mom's friends are subscribed to my OnlyFans.
	Like people, and my parents, my mom's daily lives are subscribed to my OnlyFans.
	And I learned that.
	Does she know?
	Does she know?
	Honestly, I don't know.
	Yeah, probably not.
	Right.
	Because they know it's creepy and they don't want to tell your mom that you're not.
	I don't think that she knows her friends who are subscribed to my OnlyFans.
	Because it's creepy.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	No, I mean, I've just had to learn to work with it and work around it.
	How'd you find out?
	Like they message you or something?
	I don't really know how it works.
	Yeah, their usernames and they've texted me through my personal number and personal Instagram.
	You know.
	Oh, it's just pointing to them.
	Oh, my fault.
	Well, I feel like if you haven't taken into consideration before you decide to make yourself an online presence, then that's on you.
	It's, yeah, it's part of the territory.
	It comes with the job.
	Like, I'm not going to let that mess with my money because I know who you are.
	Like, if it sucks, but.
	Is the money worth it at a certain point?
	Maybe now you say the money is worth it.
	But at a certain point, if you're listing all these terrible things that go along with it, especially what you're saying, at a certain point, don't you say, you know, I could be making half a million dollars a year.
	I could be making a million dollars a year.
	It's not, look, man, I like it's nice having money.
	It doesn't matter that much.
	Really?
	You know, you want a roof over your head, decent food, going to be able to support your loved ones.
	But you actually don't need that much money to do that.
	But it gets addictive.
	I think it's a comfort thing.
	Like, I think you get to a point and you get into a certain lifestyle and you're used to it.
	Bingo.
	Oh, there's a lifestyle creep, too.
	Totally.
	Yeah, I kind of got thrown into the lifestyle like this last year.
	It's hard to, you know, yeah, no.
	I know friends who make millions of dollars a year.
	And truly, if it fell up, they would go bankrupt in two seconds.
	Because they get, it's for years I've known people like this, but back in Hollywood, but you don't need like five Lamborghinis, right?
	You don't.
	It's just kind of like.
	I don't need it.
	I don't need it.
	We have a chat here that I'm going to get right now.
	We have Forest question for the lesbians.
	Does it make you mad when you watch male-to-female adult content?
	Porn.
	I don't usually find myself watching male-to-female adult content.
	What if that, you know, no.
	Okay, she does not object to that.
	Okay.
	Well, I do want to go back really quick because I don't think I got an answer from everybody.
	Actually, before I do that, we were going around the table on everybody's single status.
	I think we left off with you.
	We didn't get to Mia here.
	You're single.
	For a year or so.
	But come on.
	You've been celibate.
	Well, hold on.
	Point of clarification.
	Have you been celibate for a year?
	Actually, I don't believe you.
	You don't have to believe me.
	No, but I've been celibate for a while.
	Believe you.
	Well, going around the table again, those of you who are single, have you been celibate?
	You've been celibate, Cindy.
	That is successful.
	Have been a really good girl.
	Been a really good girl.
	Okay.
	And just one clarification.
	I want to dig a little bit on this.
	Cindy, you said on your OF you don't do any nudity.
	Oh, I do.
	Okay.
	Because I think the less.
	How do you make money?
	And you've never done.
	Wait, Cindy, have you never done for a year?
	Okay, I gotta say, for a year, I didn't even post nudes for a year.
	But that's because I already had so like I had a media status.
	No, no, no, no, full clothes.
	Elbow.
	I'm basically naked on my Instagram.
	So then how do you make money on your OnlyFans then?
	If they can see it on your Instagram parasocial relationship.
	I like body.
	I like the art of being comfortable in your body.
	What?
	Okay.
	So I feel comfortable showing my skin on Instagram.
	Wait, but Cindy, so on your OF or in any other website, in any of the content you've ever been featured in or produced or made, you've never have you done any content with like boy girl content?
	I have in the past.
	I don't want to?
	Yeah.
	Last time you were on, you didn't say that.
	You said you've never done content with a guy.
	I have done content with a guy.
	Oh, so why is your story changing?
	I've only done like a blowjob video.
	Okay.
	And okay.
	His face right now is killing me.
	Your face is hilarious.
	Okay, but it hasn't been like hardcore, okay?
	And like, honestly.
	Just a blowjob, not hardcore.
	Like, honestly, yeah.
	But like, okay, for a year, I was literally just posting laundry, and I just got comfortable.
	And there's nothing wrong with it.
	Can you tell us kind of like that?
	That's kind of the point I was making earlier.
	You start with that line and then often, maybe not for everybody, that's not the tip of everyone, but it can happen on your PIC.
	Other way.
	You got it.
	Well done.
	Okay.
	Wait, Nick, can you hear me?
	Yeah, you can hear me.
	So I don't.
	I like making content.
	I like the lifestyle that I have now.
	Okay.
	So y'all are, how long have y'all been celibate since you're single?
	And not, there's no guys in the picture.
	How long have you been celibate?
	No, I would say like yesterday.
	No, like maybe a month and a half ago I got drunk and you know, whatever, but not since then.
	Cindy, what about you?
	How long have you been celibate for?
	Since last year, Brian.
	Okay.
	I went live with Jasmine Japar last night.
	Okay.
	I was with her earlier today.
	I know you were.
	Wow, look at that.
	We went live, too.
	That's my girl.
	Yeah, probably very different.
	My stuff's pretty hardcore.
	I make content pretty often.
	Thank you for sharing.
	Yeah.
	Just with one person, though.
	I'm not like a whore.
	Nicolette.
	Celibate?
	So I have a really funny story, actually.
	So I was celibate for the past four months.
	And then I was just like really horny one night.
	And I met this hot firefighter.
	He's like 6'3, buff, chat.
	Firefighters be hot.
	Yeah.
	Firefighter.
	So I don't have something about a firefighter like Dick Dick.
	I don't have anything.
	Oh, yeah, I just waited.
	I swear to God.
	Thank you.
	So I was like, well, it's been four months.
	I need some dick.
	And so I go to his house.
	Oh, and let me preface.
	Before, he was like talking like this big game.
	Like, oh, I can go multiple rounds.
	You haven't seen nothing yet.
	And so he got to his place.
	This has never happened to me before.
	He like puts it in.
	I kid you not.
	I just go back on it like once, boom, pre-ejaculated.
	And I was like, what the fuck?
	So I'm not counting it.
	I wouldn't count it either.
	Yeah.
	So wait, if they don't make you count, they don't count as a body.
	That was the first time it's ever happened.
	And he was wearing a condom too.
	So like, something's wrong with him.
	No, you're hot.
	That's probably why.
	And he didn't even like.
	He didn't even get me off.
	So like.
	It doesn't count.
	If they don't make you come, it doesn't count.
	We're drawing.
	That one specifically.
	So, yeah.
	I'm not counting that.
	So four months.
	Okay.
	Fair.
	Sure.
	Fireman.
	Okay.
	Damn, he disappointed.
	He did.
	Maybe, I don't see why.
	And Michael, if you want to do earmuffs for this.
	Perhaps.
	I'm kidding.
	Why is it the case?
	There's such a double standard here because, you know, if a guy comes too quick, that's terrible.
	But if a woman comes too quick, whenever you want to say that, have you ever heard of a woman coming too quick?
	Honestly, that's ever happened to you.
	Like, genuinely in real life, where the women come in 30 seconds are under.
	Are you sure she didn't fake it?
	No, there's no.
	Then she can just keep coming.
	Once you're coming, keep going.
	There are women who'll come really quick, and they tend to be multi-orgasmic.
	Sorry, Michael.
	Sorry, Michael.
	No, that's always.
	I put that in my log line of my show.
	Yeah.
	So they tend, if the ones that come quick, they tend to also be able to come, you know, they can come 10 times in five minutes.
	I feel like that's even better for the guy.
	No, it's good.
	Where are all the female premature ejaculators?
	It's not, it wouldn't be premature, though.
	That's what I'm wondering.
	If you could actually go round for round, like you said, and just talk all this shit, then it would be fine.
	Yeah, but you can't go around for a while.
	Whenever the guy gets off, that's like the end of it.
	That's like sex and done.
	That's why you gotta please your woman before.
	Yeah, tell them.
	Tell them.
	Tell them.
	Yeah.
	Tell them.
	Get her.
	Yes.
	But if you're coming too quick, how is that supposed to happen?
	Like, if a guy comes too quick and we first start hooking up, like, Brian has a secret.
	Brian, Brian knows.
	BLM.
	I got.
	Okay, if you know Tyler.
	Wait, what's that all about?
	Come on for BLM.
	What's that all about, real quick?
	Tell us a secret.
	There's like three different questions.
	What's the secret ingredient?
	I'm just saying there's other methods.
	I would love to hear it.
	Yeah, we'll count to 10.
	Seriously.
	I'll just say, look, there's, you know, you could use your hands.
	There's toys that you can use, you know.
	So there's like a big pull lever thing.
	There's a weird contraption.
	But then at that point, we might as well not have had sex at all.
	What do you mean?
	If I can use a toy, then I might as well just be fucking myself.
	Nothing.
	Like, if I can make myself come, that's such a great observation about hookup culture.
	Like, if I can make myself clean, if I can make myself come, I don't want to hook up with you because you're not going to make me come.
	So you say you picked up this fireman who didn't get the job done.
	And so you say that was a bad night and I shouldn't have done it.
	I don't even want it to count.
	And I might as well have just stayed home alone by myself.
	Isn't that true of all of the hookup culture, which is just totally pointless?
	There's literally no, in my opinion.
	You're just treating someone like a sex toy for your own gratification.
	No guy that I've ever hooked up with for like a one-night stand has ever made me come.
	Like point blank period.
	Sorry.
	I don't know if I've just got unlucky as fuck.
	But I've never had a good one.
	How many one-night stands have you had?
	I've been able to have more than I can count on my 10 fingers and that's where I'm going to.
	So then wouldn't it be like you were saying I don't want to get married yet.
	I don't want to do this.
	But if you were married, you would not have had the bad experience with the fireman.
	You'd presumably pick a guy who, you know, gets the job done, and then you'd have all these great nights and not this short, you know, brief self-satisfaction, if even that.
	So why are you trying to push marriage on me so bad?
	Because it's good and it's the natural end of sex.
	What's wrong with finding yourself?
	That's what sex is for.
	The natural end of sex?
	Yeah, it's like what sex is geared toward.
	It's not supposed to be with like you and Brian's weird contraption upstairs and it's not supposed to be with like you alone and a contraction.
	Are you going to show us after Brian?
	What's a contraption?
	I have no idea what my mom's going to be.
	I'm intrigued.
	I'm intrigued.
	Yes, I'm intrigued.
	I wasn't supposed to mention it.
	What's wrong with a woman not actively looking for a husband though and just waiting for her life for her?
	And then she just said how do you think?
	You're talking about being all freaky and tying girls off and shit, Brian.
	Like these one-night stands that they admit are disappointing in themselves.
	Not everyone finds it fun, though.
	Like she said, that kind of one-night stand she had.
	Yeah, in my opinion, I would just rather fuck someone who knows my body and knows how to make it mom.
	Like, so valid.
	Like, vibes, everybody else.
	Yeah, like, so you're not imagining why you've had more than 10 one-night stands.
	Everybody has fun sometimes.
	Okay, like, well, you just said it's just it is a bit contradictory, right?
	No, and I get it.
	I'm just not a perfect person.
	Like, I started having sex when I was a young age.
	Like, I was too young to be having sex, and that's what it came down to.
	Like, and they're not all bad.
	Well, that's all one.
	That's never happened to me before.
	That's actually another perfect argument for why women especially should not engage in hookup culture because I think men's orgasm response is fairly typical.
	It's fairly easy, at least for men, to achieve that.
	Whereas women often complain that, heck, even with regular partners, sometimes they don't even climax.
	So, that's an even stronger argument for why women should not be so willing to engage in casual sex or one-night stands or hookup culture because you're not even a transitory, casual sexual encounter, but you're not even climaxing.
	Now, granted, even within the confines of a relationship, even if you don't climax, hopefully, you do, but I think sex can still be enjoyable.
	I think we can all agree, even if you don't always, hopefully, most of the time you do, but sometimes you don't.
	And I think it can still be a bonding experience, and you can still, it's still physically pleasurable and enjoyable.
	So, did you just contradict yourself?
	What do you mean?
	By saying that I'm sorry, you just circle all the way back to what you said.
	Girls shouldn't be engaging in hookup culture, but then you're like, But even if you don't come, you should enjoy the experience.
	Yeah, I mean, that was more of a caveat, but like, you know, it's more often the case that in a casual encounter, the woman is less likely to climax than the man, so it's a very strong argument.
	She needs to just speak up.
	What's that?
	What?
	You can still have fun, though.
	Like, you guys said, She doesn't even talk you through it.
	I'm sorry that that's been your experience, but like wait, here's a question for the ladies at the table: Who believes who actually, which one do I want to ask first?
	Um, have you going around the table?
	Have you ever faked an orgasm?
	I have you have definitely in sex specifically as opposed to well, I mean, like, we're content creators, like we're content creators.
	No, like with a real life.
	Like, like, real-life sex, not making it.
	Yeah, not content.
	No, okay.
	Yes.
	Oh, hold on just a second.
	Regretful hodoid $200 of girls.
	Will your confidence diminish with a draw when you stop BC?
	You're conditioning yourself now that to think confidence/slash self-worth is determined by a sex sex, dollar body beauty.
	What will be left of you?
	Their username is regretful hoe.
	They're morning audience with regretful hoe.
	Do you guys have a thought on that?
	I have more to offer than just my hot body.
	So I think when I'm old, I'll be fine and happy with myself.
	But isn't the point that a lot of people have said, well, part of the reason I've enjoyed doing porn and OnlyFans is because it gives me confidence.
	But of course, the confidence is just the adulation of these creepy dudes and money.
	So those will go away over time, as the commenter says.
	And then if you ground your self-worth and your sense of value on those things, you're going to be out of luck.
	Isn't that my husband's job then when I do decide to quit and settle down to make me feel hot, even in my old age?
	Right, that's what I think the comments are.
	Brixon, are you aware one in three women aged 16 to 30 have SDD now?
	The panel of playgrats, you've gathered this evening specimens of the chicken.
	I should tell you there's a bit of lore.
	So Jay Butler, every single show for the past four or five months, every show, he always mentions, did he mention herpes?
	Yeah, in the hashtag.
	You all have herpes playing.
	He is a urologist.
	He's a urologist, and he just day in, day out.
	Grid one motorsports donated $200.
	The best thing about casual sex is the men care even less about you than you do about yourselves.
	They never wake up at 30.
	Unmarried, childless, and wonder why theater dating value is so low.
	Oh.
	Thank you.
	Just to finish off on this thread, have you ever faked an O?
	An O?
	No.
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	Question.
	You didn't ask me.
	Oh, all the time.
	I mean, at breakfast.
	No.
	On my flight, actually.
	Yeah, they had to.
	Don't respect your wife.
	Yeah, she's crazy.
	Like with any of the other things.
	I prefer not to disclose details of my sexual life.
	Okay.
	Respectable.
	Wait, so question.
	Wait, show of hands.
	Who has again?
	Okay.
	Don't you guys think communication is really important in a relationship?
	And a frequent complaint I hear from women is that men are these awful communicators.
	men are terrible at communicating, but wouldn't faking that be terrible communication?
	If you only know the guy for like a day or so, like, you think it's appropriate to just text him?
	Like, oh, you didn't, like, I faked orgasm or something.
	Like, what you said, communication.
	You want us to tell them that.
	In the moment.
	In the moment?
	I feel like it's awkward, though.
	For me, quote that one Kanye song, you know, like back in the day, you just have like fake orgasms and shit, but now you tell them, I want to come.
	I feel like at the time that I faked orgasms, I was 17 and not as confident, and I didn't possess the communication skills I have now.
	So probably.
	I think when I faked an orgasm, it was because I just wanted it fucking over with.
	I was over it.
	I was like, I need this to be done.
	I was like, move on.
	So this is literally, this needs to be done.
	That was my reason.
	Seriously, I was over it.
	You can tell the guy, hey, I'm not feeling this.
	Like, I want to go.
	No, but like, and I have had guys like not respect that.
	And be like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, okay, like.
	Sorry.
	I'm like, we're men having sex.
	It's not good.
	I'm like, okay, this, like, we kind of need to wrap this up.
	And they're like, okay, well, I'm not done yet.
	So it's that's for me.
	That's where I'm at.
	I'm so happy.
	I'm faking.
	This is over.
	This needs to be done.
	Like, I'm trying to run.
	That wasn't me also at a young age when I didn't know how to communicate.
	Like, I'm done and I'm walking out.
	When I hit a certain point, I was like, okay, I'm done.
	And I could speak up for myself.
	But before, that was how it was.
	Wait, so how frequently did you want to or would you mid coitus?
	Coitus, sexual intercourse, just get up and walk away.
	Oh, multiple times.
	Really?
	Yes, I was done.
	I was out of there and I said, I gotta go.
	Done, why?
	Because they were giving me the ick.
	Yeah, totally.
	They were icky.
	And you disappear.
	They were icky.
	They were totally icky.
	So, you know, if this is happening multiple times, this is like a pattern, you know, then wouldn't that suggest to you, like, huh?
	Maybe this group of guys or this kind of situation, we should like avoid that.
	I feel like this is all speaking of like, and years ago, too.
	Like, as of recently, I am very specific about who I have sex with and who I have those kind of interactions with.
	So, I wouldn't say it's recent, but.
	But when it comes to the ick, isn't that something that you could have no?
	It's like the facial expressions during sex really gross me out of some people.
	Like, seriously, like, if you look at me in some weird way, like, I'm done.
	Like, I will not come.
	I will, no, I will.
	Pretend I'm you and pretend you're the icky dude.
	Let's do roleplay here.
	Show me the face.
	I'm not making the face.
	I'm not making the face.
	Was it like the rock eyebrow raise?
	Like, next shit?
	It was like that.
	That.
	I'm like, wow.
	They get too confident with it.
	They're like, and I'm like, ooh.
	So do you want a guy who's like, looks like he's almost, he's almost like very aloof with it and he's totally.
	I think we're both into it at all.
	That's my go-to.
	It's just the aloof.
	I'm almost disgusted.
	No, I'm kidding.
	I'm kidding.
	that's what you'd prefer no i just like you object to men being into it Oh, just like certain facial expressions from certain people who I've never seen other than having sex with them.
	Like, those facial expressions have never popped out before.
	And then we have sex and you want to bring up a whole new face.
	I'm like, wait, I'm like, wait, I gotta go.
	Wait, you will literally stop.
	I'm like, babe, like, this is not working.
	Like, I'm in the position the other room.
	You can take yourself out.
	You know where the front door is.
	You have your car and drive home.
	Oh, no.
	He's a brave and a decent man.
	He's a pioneer.
	Oh, no.
	She has good communication.
	I'm not lying anymore.
	At least I'm not faking orgasm anymore.
	Really good communication.
	And everyone has their icks, to be fair.
	Like, that's your specific ick.
	Like, ew.
	Good talk.
	I agree.
	It is icky.
	It sounds very icky.
	I would have kicked those people out.
	Yeah, you gotta go.
	Okay, all right.
	Did we go around the table on everyone's celibacy status?
	Everybody else?
	Yeah, I think in the cool thing.
	What's your celesty status?
	Yeah, how many bodies you got right now?
	The thing I wanted to talk about when it came to everybody being single and everything, it does occur to me, and I'm not going to throw anyone under the bus here, but since a lot of you are involved in content creation, and I've heard this from women who are Twitch streamers, for example, but certainly it seems to be the case with women who are involved in OF.
	Would it not, and does it not, hurt your bottom line if you were openly to communicate to your audience that you were in a relationship?
	And we see this even with women who don't do adult content, Twitch streamers, for example, or content creators, YouTubers.
	If they post a photo with their boyfriend, their viewership will drop.
	And this is typically from their male viewer base.
	So a lot of you said you were single.
	But is it not the case that a lot of, perhaps maybe not for you, but you know some girls who do OnlyFans who say they don't have boyfriends, but actually do because it hurts their bottom line.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	So is it like a 50-50 for all of you that you're actually all currently involved with a man?
	But if you were, you wouldn't even admit it on the show.
	No, I'm not lying.
	I don't have any man in my boyfriend.
	Yeah, me either.
	Okay.
	Like I said, I do reason to lie about that.
	But you do acknowledge that it's extremely common for women who do OnlyFans or who do any sort of concentration to not share that they are in a relationship with a boyfriend.
	It's nobody's real business anyway.
	I agree, but I also think when I was filming boy on girl content, it was when I was in a relationship, and I think my followers liked that more than me not having boy on girl content.
	And since I've been out of that relationship, they're hardcore.
	Yeah, and they get to ask customs and request what they want out of the videos and whatever.
	Well, the thing is that a lot of the girls on OnlyFans are selling what is the girlfriend experience.
	So that fantasy disappears when it's quite clear that she's already involved with the man.
	A lot of men love to see you getting fucked by some other man.
	Their cucks.
	Those men are cucks.
	It's true.
	I totally agree with what you're saying, but doesn't that mean that all pornography, if you watch pornography, you are engaging in an act of cuckoldry, right?
	You are watching the woman of your desire being violated by some other guy.
	It's not you.
	You're just sitting in a corner in your pathetic little room with the blinds closed.
	So it's very extreme.
	I think it's accurate and precise.
	I don't see the flaw in my logic.
	It's kind of like Games of Thrones.
	I like the word, though.
	I've never heard of the word.
	What?
	Because of the midgets, you mean.
	Yeah.
	Well, they were watching.
	Actually, little person is the new term.
	See, it's the euphemism treadmill.
	It used to be dwarf was the appropriate, but now I think it's a little person is the preferred term.
	Soon-to-be cute little fella, and that'll just zoom around.
	Speaking of which, I actually am open-minded to dating a little person.
	So if you guys know any female.
	I actually know one.
	I mean, but not an OnlyFans model.
	Wait, what is the criteria?
	Like what I'm looking for?
	Oh, it's a long list.
	We should save that for a little bit longer.
	Maybe Labia.
	Wait, what?
	What did you say?
	That's his thing.
	He looks like.
	Yeah, we want to work out that.
	I got a lady with passing.
	Wait, you got a.
	Oh, you did?
	Wait, actually?
	How is that?
	Actually, yeah.
	You can find out if you want to.
	Okay, I guess.
	You can show me off.
	Okay, not that way, but I'm sure you have to.
	I didn't mean it in that sense.
	Chick, please.
	Yeah.
	But how did we get there?
	Why you?
	We can go over what I'm looking for.
	You know, dwarf hook me up.
	I do.
	Okay, I'm going to put you on.
	Okay, sounds good.
	Sounds good.
	Would you guys, I can't, I'm just, I'm just riffing here off.
	Would.
	Would you guys date women like tall men?
	but you date the dwarf, because...
	You're so true.
	I agree.
	I agree.
	That was my dad.
	Agree.
	Thank you.
	Well, aren't you Chinese?
	I'm part Japanese, I found out.
	Oh, you found out.
	You found out.
	Yeah, you took a 23andMe.
	I need to fix that.
	I'm sorry, guys.
	Pico Steins, thank you for the TTS, man.
	Appreciate it.
	Did you guys all, I think you read it and you, yeah.
	But you agreed.
	Yeah.
	So what the time's right.
	Wait, agreed with Wayne.
	I don't want a marriage in family right now.
	That's the best thing ever.
	I can attest, it's amazing.
	I even, you know, I like my job, even though I'm not on OnlyFans.
	It's a version of this, like political OnlyFans.
	I create content for my political followers.
	A little bit less sexy, but I find it more sexy, actually.
	Thank you very much.
	Look, I like it.
	I like my job a lot and writing books and speaking and stuff.
	But it is nothing.
	It is nothing compared to my family.
	You could burn all my books, lose all the tapes of my political.
	Nothing about the world would change.
	But none of us have family like that.
	Not yet.
	Not yet.
	Yeah, none of that.
	But when you say, well, yeah, I'm just, but maybe not yet, but in the future.
	But I didn't say like, yeah, like, I do want a family.
	I don't want kids.
	My thought is look, you're not 12 years old or something.
	You're all of age.
	And I just think, like, why put it off?
	It's just awesome.
	It's just objectively awesome.
	It will improve your lives in every single way.
	Whatever you're doing now, no matter how much you think you like it, it's 100 times better at least.
	So if it's so good, and you even agree with me.
	Because I don't think what I'm doing right now is stopping me from where I'm supposed to end up in the long run.
	Like, I think you really not think that it kind of impedes you.
	No, I think where I'm supposed to be is exactly where I'm going to be.
	But I thought we all just previously agreed that it does impede sort of getting married.
	I rehearsed that before I came to that.
	Yeah, that sounds beautiful, just like not right now.
	No, but you seem to be agreeing with my point that doing OnlyFans and porn does sort of impede starting a family.
	You seem to be disagreeing.
	I didn't really, I don't think you actually agreed with that.
	I didn't say that.
	I did you say, I'm sorry, I thought you agreed with me.
	No, I said I want to have a family.
	I think a family is a beautiful thing.
	I want to figure out.
	I feel like we're all just playing pretend right now when we say that being on OnlyFans and doing porn doesn't slow down the process of finding the right guy and starting a family.
	I thought previously we all agreed that, you know, I must be misremembering that.
	How would you describe the right guy?
	Because maybe the right guy to you for these girls would be different than the right person.
	But that was the point I made earlier.
	That guys who watch porn are creepy cucks, right?
	We all just agree with that.
	You said that.
	I think many of us agreed with that.
	I disagree with that.
	No, I asked you if you had watched it and you said yeah, and I said, well, then what goes to say that you aren't creepy?
	You asked me, have I dated other girls?
	Have I done all sorts of sins?
	I say, I've done all sorts of terrible things back in my wayward youth.
	So you're saying to this day you don't send?
	You're saying you don't.
	No, I commit sins, but I don't really commit those sins.
	I commit other sins, but I don't really commit the sins that maybe, you know, more than that.
	But everyone sins, and everyone has their own sins.
	And I think.
	But a guy who's addicted to porn is going to be a horrible husband and a horrible father.
	That's not the guy I'm going to end up with, though.
	Right, but by doing pornography, you are greatly narrowing the pool of things.
	So look, me doing pornography or me not doing pornography, people are going to watch it either way.
	I'm just profiting off it, like, because I do it now.
	But it doesn't, me taken out of that equation, people are not still.
	But a guy who personally does not look at pornography and who thinks it's bad and, you know, out of the way.
	I haven't met a guy who doesn't watch porn yet.
	You met like one, you know.
	Hi, hello.
	You have to do that.
	I also don't like sleep with lots of, you know, people and go on dates and do all that good stuff.
	Yeah, and that's why all the other guys have watched it too, you know?
	But you're saying you've never met a guy who doesn't presently watch porn.
	I'm saying in general, has never watched porn.
	Oh, has never watched porn.
	Oh, no, something like what?
	99% of men are 101% are lying.
	You can't live in our culture and not have seen pornography.
	You go on Instagram, porn pops up, right?
	Exactly.
	You go on TikTok porn.
	So why not profit off of it?
	If people are posting their tits on Instagram, why not people pay for it?
	Because it attracts men to you who are not the kind of men you want to attract.
	And because it rises in the middle of the day, I don't care.
	I don't want them.
	I want their money.
	Right, you want the other guys.
	You just said you want the other guys to start a family because it's so great.
	But I'm saying eventually, eventually.
	I'm not ready to go.
	But is your argument that there's a demand for it, so why not profit from it?
	Is that sort of the argument?
	Yeah.
	Well, what can we apply that to drugs, for example?
	There's a demand for heroin, there's a demand for fentanyl.
	You're not doing anything.
	You're just, they want to do that.
	But to me, I'm not putting myself in a position where I can die.
	I'm not harming myself.
	I'm not doing drugs.
	It's just different.
	I'm just, my pockets are getting bigger.
	I'm financially able to be freer.
	I'm financially able to pay for the people in my life and support them and myself.
	And I'm not sure if I can do it.
	Is there a cost to that?
	Sorry?
	Is there a cost to that?
	You're getting all this.
	I do think that there is a cost to that.
	Yes.
	I think just like the people that produce fentanyl and stuff for hospitals, they're not responsible for all the overdoses and stuff.
	You don't think the guys producing and running fentanyl, especially like fentanyl over the border, which is where a lot of the street drugs come from, you don't think they're morally responsible for the overdoses?
	Not the ones that are medically producing it, people that are producing it over the border and shipping it here, yeah.
	Like the Chinese who ship it.
	It wasn't like Pfizer, I don't know the exact drug companies, GSK, I'll know exactly which ones were producing all the opioids, but wasn't there a lawsuit that basically these drug companies were perhaps underselling or underrepresenting the degree to which these were harmful and dangerous and addictive.
	So there was some culpability, liability in that sense, even the corporations.
	Even when it's, you know, through doctors prescribed, you have the, you know, it's coming from a certified drug.
	I'm sorry, I don't know what the term is, but.
	Yeah, maybe I'm not educated enough on the drug production to speak that much onto it.
	I'm just saying with almost everything, there's a way to abuse it, and they're not responsible for men's abuse of pornography.
	But at least they release opiates.
	Opiates have a medical use, which is they can numb pain.
	And so if you have a back injury, you know, you can take them.
	And unfortunately, people get addicted to them.
	But you think pornography doesn't have a good use?
	I think it's a release.
	I don't think.
	Isn't it not recognized?
	I forget what it's called, but the psychology.
	Oh, sorry.
	I thought he was answering that.
	Isn't it not recognized as like porn is actually an addiction?
	Isn't gambling the only thing that's actually recognized as an addiction in that way?
	I think, I mean, addictive behavior is behavioral.
	Sure, but it's not actually medically.
	What does that even mean, actually, medically, though?
	Like, you know, like, I don't think porn is a problem.
	What is addiction is a reality.
	Some doctor said it or something.
	Like, first of all, I think the medical community.
	What?
	What's so funny?
	No, go ahead.
	Oh, no, no.
	Like, I remember there was a doctor a few years ago, this guy, Dr. Fauci, who said, like, a bunch of things that were completely false.
	And so I'm a little skeptical of the political medical professionals.
	But you say, you know, these sexual desires can't become addictive.
	But surely psychologists treat sex addiction.
	There are rehab clinics for it.
	And so the porn industry tries to pretend like there's a total difference between sex addiction and sex addiction with a computer.
	But obviously, they're very related.
	I don't know.
	I think somewhere I saw brain scans and it didn't light up the same way as everything.
	No, no, it's different.
	It's definitely more degenerate for a man to look at pornography than to sleep with a woman.
	Let's shift a little bit here.
	We don't like science here.
	Damn.
	Real science is good.
	But like political science.
	Look, the scientists say a man can be a woman now.
	It's ridiculous.
	Crazy.
	Switching gears.
	We don't want to go there.
	Yeah.
	Who of you has a sugar daddy?
	Sugar daddy.
	No, but if you want to be my sugar daddy, hit me up.
	I've had my pay pigs.
	I've had my pay pig pig pig pig pigs.
	Pay pigs.
	Any pay pigs?
	What's a pay pig?
	A pay pig is a man who just absolutely lacks any character whatsoever.
	Brian.
	What?
	Fetish shaming.
	Kink shaming.
	Yeah.
	Exactly.
	That's messed up.
	Pay pigs essentially just send women money.
	Isn't that what they all do, though, for the pictures and stuff?
	No, they know that they're servicing.
	It's typically serving in return, right?
	I mean, they can, I guess.
	So they're just like the dumbest porn users in the entire world.
	PayPig still gets a service back.
	Those are my favorite ones.
	What is it?
	So the fetish is just financial domination.
	Yeah, financial domination.
	So have you guys ever had a pay pig or sugar daddy and or sugar daddy, Cindy?
	I had one, I don't know, I had some random number text me saying they'll send me like a couple thousand.
	I just, I don't know.
	Wait, you have a tweet on this, I feel like.
	We have, we won't pull it up yet, Nick.
	We're gonna, we, we've got some tweets from you guys we're gonna look at.
	I'm trying to remember, or maybe it was somebody else here at the table, I forgot.
	But I did tweet something about it.
	What's that?
	I did tweet something about.
	So some guy paid you a thousand for what?
	Well, someone, someone said, I want to send you money.
	Like, they messaged me saying that.
	No one ever messages me that, ever.
	Bummer.
	That's a big bummer.
	I've never met a pay pig.
	I guess that's probably good.
	You're looking in the wrong places, I guess.
	You got to quit what you're doing.
	Try something new.
	If I want a pay pig, I have to go to very different places.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	That's cool.
	What?
	I have a cool story on one.
	Sure, let's hear it.
	So this one guy hit up my friend one time.
	It was like last year.
	He wanted our whole friend group to come over to his apartment.
	And we went.
	And when we showed up, he wanted to dress up in high heels in a ballerina dress and tiptoe around his apartment.
	And he opened up a drawer full of all these toys and whips.
	And he wanted us to whip him.
	Like straight up whip him.
	And he gave us thousands and thousands of dollars a person.
	He's a kinky boy.
	Straight up.
	Crazy.
	He just wanted to empty his pockets to us.
	Like that's all he wanted.
	He's like, I want you to literally like make me bleed until I give you all of my money.
	We didn't actually make him bleed.
	Did he exactly bleed or you mean?
	We didn't actually make him bleed for real, but he's like, whip me.
	Like it was weird.
	Excuse me.
	It's true.
	Real life.
	Real life.
	Like the humiliation king.
	That's people's key.
	That's people's key.
	I didn't hurt him for real.
	It was like a whip.
	It was like a, you know, like, what you might do is.
	I was like, oh, I mean, you know, he asked for it, and I was getting paid.
	I mean, shit, I wouldn't have done it if he didn't tell me to.
	Wow.
	Crazy, huh?
	That's crazy.
	Are any of these guys married?
	Or they're all single?
	No, yeah.
	See, a lot of them, I think it's really sad.
	I think they either have lost their wife, which is really sad, or they just have gone through a divorce or never end up with anyone at all.
	I believe the divorce one more than the widower one.
	No, I've experienced that more, actually.
	The widower?
	Huh.
	That's very surprising to me.
	Like, he had a good marriage, and they say, you know, Dotsy, I miss Dotsy.
	I love sitting on the porch with Dotsy.
	You know what I'll do?
	I'll call up a 19-year-old to come smack me around with a whip while I wear high heels.
	That'll bring back the memories of my beloved lady.
	I think people are just going a little mentally ill, but like, I was profiting.
	For sure.
	You were at least good times.
	What about you?
	Have you had a sugar daddy pay pig?
	No, actually.
	No, okay.
	All right.
	Maybe it's.
	I'm not opposed.
	Seems like you're fishing for one.
	What about you?
	She said, I'm not.
	Nicolette.
	I have had a sugar daddy.
	Don't currently sell.
	If you want to apply, hit my DMs.
	For real.
	No, I have not.
	Come on, Mia.
	I have not.
	Mia.
	All right.
	She's so sweet.
	I believe her.
	I think it's an act.
	No, I had a great sugar daddy.
	He was like a really cool guy.
	Like, he was really cool.
	He gave me a bunch of money.
	He took me on trips, my friends on trips, flew us out.
	It was funny.
	And your friends on trips.
	How many trips did he take you on?
	Like, five, six?
	Five, six?
	Good question.
	Yeah, he took me to a Travis Scott concert.
	I liked him.
	Yeah, she's my best friend.
	How old was the guy?
	He's in his 40s.
	in his 40s were you guys no we were not hooking up Come on, be honest.
	No, I'm dead ass.
	So he was spending time with us.
	I kissed him.
	I kissed him.
	That's it.
	Yeah.
	But in Atlanta, pretty privilege is such a thing.
	Like, if you're 40, mid-40s, you don't have a woman in your life.
	All you want to do is just be seen around town with a bad bitch.
	Like, they don't really care.
	Like, they really don't care.
	Wait, what is a bad bitch?
	That's the kind of woman you want to be talking about.
	What do you think of bad bitches?
	What do you think of bad bitches?
	I'm too white to have an opinion on that.
	No, but like, here, no, Hold on.
	I'm not talking about that.
	He doesn't want to appropriate anything.
	I'm not talking skin color.
	I'm talking I'm too white.
	He's white.
	I don't even know what that means, to be honest.
	I'm just.
	Huh?
	Skin color?
	No, He's saying he's a white supremacist.
	No, I'm not saying that.
	I'm just saying, I listen to like jazz and Pearl Jam.
	I don't, bad bitch.
	Jazz, that famously white musical genre.
	Yeah.
	Yes, definitely.
	Yeah.
	Atlanta's a little more ratchet and ghetto than that.
	Like, it's not like here.
	Just like that.
	Like, I don't refer like my girlfriend.
	She's an attractive woman.
	I don't, I wouldn't, I wouldn't call her a bad person.
	Okay, bad bitch.
	Okay, if a girl, like, okay, look.
	I know you're listening.
	I'm not going to call her a bitch.
	If you're at the club, it's not any disrespectful shit.
	Like, if I'm at the club and I walk in and I see a section full of baddies, I'm like, oh, those are some bad bitches right there.
	Like, those are some of the best.
	We're not bottom a mile away.
	Are they goodies?
	Are there goodies?
	Baddies.
	The baddies.
	Like, there's baddies, and then are there goodies?
	I know.
	Bad meeting, like, goodies just like you're sexy, like, you're fine.
	Like, not bad, like, good or bad.
	Like, you're baddies and you're fine.
	Like, you're attractive.
	Like, yeah, bad is in your goodies.
	You know, that makes sense.
	I'm not saying I was too white for this.
	I mean, I'm too.
	Okay, I get what you're saying.
	I get what you're saying.
	I also feel like you're not going to be able to do that.
	I don't have the parliament.
	I'm going to call up and say, you're a bad bitch.
	What?
	No, that's not attractive.
	That's exactly what I'm saying.
	Go on, bro.
	I'm like, oh, you're a bad bitch.
	Wait, so anyways, I apologize.
	I do want to say that.
	One digression.
	Why would one hire a baddie to be seen around town?
	Like, if you're going to hire a baddie, you said you got money from me.
	I did.
	Yeah, so, you know, you're not dating them.
	You're not married.
	Probably, right?
	Like, but what I'm saying is, I can understand why someone would hire a baddie to come over to his house for five minutes or whatever.
	But I don't understand why a guy would pay a baddie.
	I think they're lonely.
	Like, I genuinely, from sitting and talking to so many of these guys, and like before I did OnlyFans, I was on websites where I would just go out with men like a few times a week to go on paid dates.
	They'd take me out to dinner and pay me a few hundred dollars a day, and that's literally what I did before I did OnlyFans.
	Many such cases.
	Many such cases.
	Is that what an escort is?
	Where you actually escort a man to an event that's not like a hooker thing?
	I don't know, but there's different like.
	Was it seeking?
	Was it do seeking?
	How would you find that?
	Can I put, am I allowed to say the website?
	Can I put everyone on real quick?
	What's your price?
	What's your price?
	Everyone needs to go on What's Your Price.
	That's what it's called.
	That's not the kind of name where I would think I should go on this website.
	What's your price?
	You're saying what?
	Because you're married.
	Well, because I'm married.
	But I think even if I'm married.
	If you're looking for money and you're broke, go out, sit for dinner, get paid to go on a dinner day and eat some sushi and leave.
	Like, why would you not do that?
	To find your pay piggy.
	That's right.
	If I'm ever looking for money.
	Like, seriously.
	Wait, so, okay.
	Hmm.
	Is this interesting for y'all?
	It is.
	It is.
	Because I guess the thing about it is, you know, you're not engaging in any particular immoral act, I guess.
	I tell them from the start, I'm not a prostitute.
	You can't pay me to have sex with you.
	But if you want me to give you my time and energy and sit and listen to you, sure.
	What's the name of the website again?
	What's your price?
	Okay.
	But is it, you are still kind of commoditizing yourself, right?
	You're becoming like a kind of like a plaything for this guy, even if it's not sexual.
	To me, that's fun.
	Like, straight up, if I'm getting paid to hang out with you, that's the easiest shit I could be doing right now.
	Like, I'm not going to do it.
	It would be better to go on a real date, wouldn't it?
	I've been on plenty of real dates.
	You get paid for those too?
	No.
	It's like the real day could go somewhere.
	I've had relationships that's gone somewhere, but at this very particular moment in my life, I'm more focused on making money, building my own brand, building my own empire than on what other 20 young guys in their 20s are doing right now.
	Why do you want to build an empire alone, though?
	What fun is an empire alone?
	It's not.
	You're right.
	But I'm not with the person that like, I don't know who I'll end up with.
	Yeah, no, I have friends.
	Forget about like OnlyFans or whatever.
	I have friends who say, you know, I say, hey, man, you know, you dating anyone right now?
	I say, no, I'm really just grinding.
	I'm focused on work.
	And I hear this, especially the millennials and the Zoomers.
	I'm working, man.
	I'm grinding.
	I'm hustling.
	And then someday in the unforeseen future, then when I've finally ground enough that I've got my empire and blah, blah, blah.
	If the right guy came around.
	That's what I think it's totally backwards.
	If the right guy came around, I would be with him.
	Did you swim in high school?
	I played soccer in college.
	Muscles?
	You look kind of jacked out.
	Soccer in college, yeah, I am.
	Little jacks.
	Good shoulders, solid shoulders.
	Thank you.
	Do you work your shoulders in soccer?
	Isn't that like a lake thing?
	You work your whole body in soccer.
	That's some real shit.
	Okay, I looked up this website.
	It's your run-off.
	It's ridiculous.
	You looked it up?
	Yeah, I pulled it up on my computer.
	Literally, you can send people requests for how much money you want.
	So what's like a typical, like, how many requests have you received total?
	Ever?
	Total from the website.
	How many?
	Shit, I don't know.
	I've had it for so long.
	Hundreds, hundreds, thousands.
	Yeah, thousands.
	What's the typical, so they are offering you money for what?
	Like just to make it a lot better?
	Yeah, to go out for dinner.
	I literally.
	What's like the average offering?
	The typical offering.
	I don't go for any less than like three or four hundred to just go sit at dinner.
	Like, I'm like...
	Okay.
	That's it.
	And does it say like for one out?
	Like, is there a time?
	So the guys have to pay to chat with you on this.
	So that's how you know it's like a real deal.
	They're not just fucking around.
	Yeah.
	They pay to chat with you.
	Do you know what the cost is just to use?
	Because the girls don't have to do that.
	Okay.
	But you can send a request to them.
	You have a profile.
	My real name's not on the profile.
	They see my pictures.
	They can request me and send me an offer.
	If I don't like the offer, I can counter request the offer and send them how much I would actually want.
	Well, you're going to haggle over.
	Yeah, I can say, no, that's not enough.
	I have a question for you, though.
	Like, of how many, how many men have you talked to on the app?
	Because he says it costs them money, right?
	Hundreds.
	Hundreds.
	How many have you met up with?
	It sounds like you've not hooked up with them, right?
	No, I've hung out with a bunch of tricks in Atlanta, though.
	Like everywhere.
	They're called Josh.
	Yeah.
	Marks?
	I've heard Marks.
	Mark said Marks is tricks.
	No, it's like the term there.
	It's a tricky thing.
	Surely these tricks.
	You refer to them as tricks.
	I don't say that's their face.
	But they are tricks.
	Yeah.
	These guys want more than dinner, correct?
	For sure.
	But I'm not giving it to them.
	You've not?
	I just string them along enough?
	No.
	I just string them along until they're done.
	And they're like, okay, well, I don't want to do this anymore because you're not giving me what I want.
	And then they leave and I move on to the next one and do the same thing.
	How many total individual men have you met up with through this website in person for paid dates?
	A lot more than I can count.
	Like a guesstimate?
	Yeah, over 100?
	Yeah.
	More than 200?
	200?
	More than 200?
	Probably like 100?
	Between 100 and 200.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	When was the last time you paid for dinner?
	That's an amazing thing.
	That's like almost a year's worth of dinner.
	Shit, I mean, I haven't gone out on dates in a week like that in a long time.
	Yeah, for real.
	Come on.
	Since I started OnlyFans, I didn't do that.
	But before OnlyFans, that was.
	Wait, so you make, just to be clear, so you will make, what, $500 for a dinner?
	Yeah.
	500 times 100?
	Or 50 times 50?
	Well, like, okay, 500 times 500.
	Say maybe not 500.
	$50,000.
	Wait, is that is my math right here?
	Hold on.
	It's $300 now.
	Yeah, say $300.
	Okay, so $30,000 just for going out to dinners.
	And I assume that's that's actually right before I pulled in.
	One of my tricks sent me $5,000.
	Whoa, $5,000.
	Wait, and I'm not done doing a full accounting here.
	Okay, you can keep going.
	I'm actually an IRS agent.
	What is that tax stab?
	You know, like capital gains or regular?
	Do they give you cash?
	The one just now is Apple Pay.
	Okay.
	So you should probably get to a cent.
	You might want to talk to the CPA about that one.
	What's a bad audit to get?
	Wait, so okay, hold on.
	So, and there's some men, I assume you only go on one date, but then there's some men that you'll continue.
	I make it known from the start what I will and will not do.
	Like, I'm here to.
	Really?
	Yes.
	So you'll outright tell them.
	Yes.
	By the way, like, you'll sit there across from them.
	By the way, I'm just here for your money.
	Before I'll ever come here.
	I'm here just for your money.
	I don't.
	I don't say it.
	I don't want to ever have, you disgust me.
	I don't want to have sexual intercourse with you ever.
	But you continue giving me your money, you pathetic.
	Okay, but look, if it was coming from me, like saying it, like to you, and like I wear it differently and it comes across differently.
	And it doesn't seem like they know why they're there.
	Straight up, they know why they're there.
	They know why they're.
	Why are they there?
	Because they want to be seen with a bad bitch.
	Oh, they're not.
	By whom?
	By whom?
	Everyone around them.
	All their friends.
	Really?
	Tricks?
	All their friends are tricks.
	Tricks.
	You know what I'm saying?
	So if they're all in on the trick, why is it it still isn't?
	Everybody needs to get on this shit.
	Sorry, what's up?
	If all the friends are also tricks, then they're all engaging in the same game.
	But then they all know that it's all fake.
	Yeah, they know it's fake.
	So they're not impressing anyone.
	They all know it's fake.
	Right, so there's no one to impress to be seen.
	They're impressing each other with which person's sugar baby's hotter and who's giving more money.
	Like, seriously, one of my tricks let me drive his Bentley around town for months.
	One of my tricks let me drive his Bentley around Atlanta for months.
	Like they, I want the scope of this here.
	Let's get a little more detailed.
	Bentley's in Atlanta.
	I'm actually shocked.
	It was his 10th car.
	I asked for.
	I figured like maybe a nice Lexus would be a nice one.
	Wait, which one is it?
	Cindy, oh, by the way, it's not on the app store.
	You have to go on Google?
	Okay, wait.
	Wow.
	And then you can add it.
	And then you can add it as an app afterwards.
	Here, Cindy, can you just get off the phone?
	Okay.
	Wait, let's get a little scope scale here.
	So do one or more of your tricks or whatever your tricks.
	Tricks.
	Do any of them pay for your rent?
	They have, yeah.
	Now, here's a question for you.
	Will you, do you have multiple at the same time?
	Like, how many currently are you like senesing?
	Seriously, for real, I like.
	Seriously, for real?
	No.
	Let's get into it.
	No cap.
	No cap.
	No, Rocko.
	So as of lately, like the past couple months, it's just been one guy.
	But normally, because, yeah.
	But now he's going broke.
	So now, now it's going to be a bad thing.
	You're making a lot of money.
	I am literally lie.
	I am literally why.
	Wait, he's going broke?
	She took all his money.
	Yeah, I did.
	Wait, how much question for this guy in particular?
	Do you have a sense of the internal revenue service donated 200?
	We will be looking into Maggie in the coming weeks.
	Oh, okay.
	Internal revenue.
	Yeah, there you have it.
	20,000 new agents.
	This current guy, yeah, exactly.
	He's terrible.
	This new guy, how much total, or well, this sole guy, the current guy, how much total has he paid you if you had to estimate?
	Shit, probably 100K.
	100K for what period of time?
	Six months.
	What's in his face?
	Straight up.
	In one payment, what's the biggest individual payment?
	Like, has he sent you 10K?
	What's the biggest?
	10.
	10K?
	Probably.
	And he sent you over 100K?
	He hasn't sent it to me.
	I'm saying, not that money.
	100K hasn't been sent to my bank account.
	$100K has probably been spent on me.
	Total.
	Spent on me on including the trips, including, you know, whatever else.
	Yeah.
	But also cash.
	Like, he got me my purse over there.
	What kind of purse is it?
	Fenty.
	Yeah.
	Oh, Fendi.
	Well, you might want to check, make sure it's not a knockoff.
	That's true.
	That's how it is.
	You can check and make sure for me.
	I don't think it is.
	Because I'm an expert in.
	Okay, you can check that.
	Do you buy knockoffs?
	Do you buy on TV?
	own.
	I guess the fetish is just a kind of masochism.
	No, yeah, literally.
	It is, but it's like the worst kind of.
	You know, if you smack the guy with the whip, then it has a bruise.
	But if you drain the guy's bank account, then he's broke.
	That's quite a bit of a test.
	That's a fetish for you.
	Yeah, it literally is what they're doing.
	Isn't that all weird?
	Isn't that a good argument against like, hey, man, if you want to do it, just do it.
	Because some people want things that will literally bankrupt them and that will ruin their lives.
	Yeah.
	Well, sorry.
	Oh, just a few more questions of the scale of this.
	So you said this one guy, he's paid you over $100,000.
	Is he your biggest whale?
	Do you have other whales?
	I thought they were tricks.
	All of a sudden you know the terminology?
	Yeah.
	Whales are like in the same thing.
	Like in a casino, yeah, yeah.
	Like the guys who spend is he the are you asking me if he's the one who spent the most amount of money on me so far?
	Well, do you have other whales?
	Or have you had other whales?
	I have at the moment, no.
	Is he the one who spent the most on you?
	Yes.
	Okay, so you've had, but have you had other guys spend over $100,000 on you?
	No.
	Just him?
	Okay.
	If you had to work.
	I've had other guys find me out, pay for me and my girls to go on trips, send me money, but not like that.
	I'm 19.
	19.
	So when did it start?
	When did it start when I was 18?
	Okay, wait, so.
	That's crazy.
	That's such a short period of time.
	Yeah, for real.
	My life changed a lot in the last year.
	Word, wait, so, and you said you've gone on hundreds of these dates with men, some of them very short, maybe one off, and then some of them, there was some...
	They're everywhere in Atlanta.
	Like, they're everywhere.
	You can just be hanging out, and it's a trick to be.
	If you had to estimate that.
	Seriously.
	He's like, here's my money, here's my wallet, go have fun, go shop.
	Seriously.
	Wait, so total, if you add up all the men, all the money they've given you, total, how much do you think?
	200,000, 300,000?
	More?
	More?
	Yeah.
	500,000?
	No.
	A few hundred thousand.
	Should we say 300,000 safe number?
	You can say that if you want.
	I don't really know.
	I don't know.
	You should get a bookkeeper, probably.
	Yeah.
	Shit.
	Never been one to really keep track, but.
	But you're 19.
	Yeah.
	You've, through this website, you've been able to.
	Bobby Feed donated $200.
	Hey, Bobby, thank you.
	Michael, how can you explain to these girls that selling themselves for money will negatively impact their chances of having what they want beyond this money BS?
	Drop some divine truth for them.
	That's a big request.
	But I guess it sort of gets to what we were talking about earlier, you know, about impeding your potential to get married.
	But even with the money thing, let's say, put the men aside for a second.
	You want to have careers for whatever reason.
	Right, you're spending a lot of time and effort on this, all right?
	It's real work in that.
	Maddie's CPA donated $200.
	To be clear, he only gifted her $34,000 last year, which is the maximum he could give as a joint fire.
	Yeah.
	That's very important for the agents to see that.
	So even if you just wanted to have a career for whatever reason, like all the time that you're spending on this right now is time where you're producing this content, but the content is not going to build up the potential for a career after, you know, old father time sets in and you're not going to be able to sell for as much money and get $300,000 off your tricks.
	So wouldn't it be, I had a buddy who was a Twitch gamer.
	He would just play video games on Twitch and people give him money for it.
	He will do that for me too.
	I'm a streamer.
	So part of the reason he stopped doing it, he was making good money, but he stopped doing it because he said, I'm not building any skills.
	I'm not building anything that's productive for me.
	So when this money runs out, it's it.
	It looks like big money now.
	It's very tempting.
	But once it's gone, it's gone.
	And then I'm going to be left without skills to do a job.
	And then more importantly, I might be impeded from having what I really desire, which is a family.
	That's a valid point.
	That's a very valid point.
	I think in my opinion, right now, because I know how much money I'm making, it's my job to budget it and save it in a way that if I'm ever in the position later on in life that I'm not doing this job anymore and I need to figure out what I can do next.
	How much money is enough?
	Can you close the door?
	You can always make money.
	Here's the thing with money.
	You can always make money.
	Like money is in everything.
	You can have a billion dollars in your bank account and you could live in your mansion.
	And it could all be gone.
	Unhappy and everything.
	I think what's important is actually enjoying what you do, your purpose on earth, and keep doing new things.
	Doing the good things.
	And reinvest it and start new businesses.
	It's not just like, oh, when you quit what you're doing, where you're like, oh, fuck.
	You can use that money and start your career and do like whatever.
	You're actually passionate about it.
	I use my OnlyFans money to start up a clothing company of my own too.
	So I know there's other things that I'll build throughout the years of my own too, that I'll be able to fall back on those when I know there's going to come a day when I'm going to say, I don't want to do OnlyFans anymore.
	When that day is, I don't know, but I know when it comes, I'll have money saved up to where I'll be able to do that.
	My only point is if you're saying, I'm doing it now because I'm just, the money's so good.
	I just got to keep making more money.
	I will tell you, having gone from not having really any money to having some money, you think there's a number.
	You're like, if I make X amount, then I'll stop doing this thing.
	There's no real number.
	You just, the more you get, you're going to want more of it.
	And I think if you're setting yourself up in that position, if you say, this is the number, you're going to keep doing it.
	I agree.
	I just also came from, like, I came from nothing.
	Like, I didn't grow up with this.
	This is the lifestyle that I've been thrown into.
	I have to remind, I was raised in a trailer park.
	Like, I was raised with nothing.
	That's why it's so tempting.
	So for me, yeah, now that I can support myself and support the people that are in my life that I want to support, it's all worth it to me.
	But you're justifying it to yourself.
	Yes, I am.
	But you could do something else.
	I definitely could, and I do do other things.
	Like I said, I started to do that.
	I'm saying you could do something else in lieu of this.
	And you'd still be able to support me.
	I agree with you.
	You wouldn't have as much money, though.
	I agree with you.
	So that's not really the justification.
	The justification is, hey, I came from nothing.
	I've never had any money in my life.
	Oh, my goodness, I'm making such an insane amount of money.
	I'm living this crazy lifestyle.
	How can I possibly say no to that?
	But the answer is because it might be hurting me in the long run, right?
	Sorry, say that again?
	Because it might hurt me in the long run if I'm not developing certain skills and if I'm not moving forward to what skills am I not developing?
	Any other job you would be doing?
	But I've been working since I was 14 years old.
	I was a preschool teacher before this started.
	I've served in restaurants.
	You could do a ton of things.
	I've nanny done all different types of weird, you know, whatever.
	I have acquired other skill sets throughout the years.
	Every minute that you spend doing this is a minute you're not spending building up a skill or forming a relationship that might pay off later on in a better way.
	I would disagree with that if you're an OnlyFans creator.
	You can't build other skills.
	You can't buy it.
	You're building OnlyFans.
	If you're doing OnlyFans here at OnlyFans, there's 24 hours in a day.
	If there's 24 hours in a day, I'm sure you can manage your time.
	No, you're right.
	You'll have other hours perhaps to do something else, but that's not what I'm saying.
	What I'm saying is, every, and you spend more than a minute or two for OnlyFans.
	Yeah.
	Everybody's spending.
	How many of you girls would be proud of or happy if your daughter or little sister engaged in this work, behavior or attitudes?
	Here, just really quick around the table, go ahead.
	If it's her calling, if it's, you know, my sister.
	Her calling.
	Yeah, her calling to do this kind of work.
	Like, make BJ videos.
	Well, if she wants to, I mean, like, but like, no.
	If she feels comfortable making sexual content, then yeah.
	Wait, that.
	That was me.
	That was you?
	Holy shit.
	I don't know if anybody.
	Do you guys know that song?
	I'm Blue Dabo D, Dabo D. Dabo D, Dabo Dee.
	I don't know if the viewer, like the way you said, it sounded like the start of I'm Blue Dabo D. Did anybody, did the chat.
	Okay, I'm sorry.
	Did y'all mention it was uncanny?
	What band was it?
	It was Eiffel 65 or something.
	Did anybody else hear the I'm Blue?
	Anybody?
	Did anybody else?
	Okay, I don't know.
	Jesus.
	Okay, a response to the TTS.
	Would you be cool with your daughter or sister, I guess?
	No.
	Doing that?
	If it made them happy, yeah.
	Made them happy, okay.
	What about you?
	I definitely would not want my daughter or little sister to do it just because of things that come along with it that I've heard about, but I don't think I'm the moral police, and I feel like my responsibility would be to just be there for them and continue supporting them regardless.
	They're not getting cut off if my daughter decides she wants to do this, I understand.
	But my daughter's also never going to be in the position to have to do what I had to do because she's going to be taken care of.
	I'd be neutral.
	Neutral.
	I think I'd support them regardless.
	I obviously wouldn't want that.
	I would expect you to say the opposite.
	You were saying so many sensible things earlier.
	I'm still very sensible.
	I obviously, like I said, it brings that just as she said as well.
	But it's not that I'm going to hate her or you wouldn't hate her.
	But would you desire it for her?
	No, I wouldn't.
	I wouldn't desire it for her.
	Wait, really quick.
	I want to clarify.
	You said if she had to do it.
	But like, in my scenario, is like, I was working a corporate job where I was making six figures, and I quit it to do OnlyFans.
	Yeah.
	So I have to do it.
	Nobody has to.
	How much do you make now?
	Six figures.
	Do you make more or less?
	Or six?
	It doesn't matter.
	Six figures regardless.
	Okay.
	Well, six figures, you know, there's a big rate.
	What was your job before?
	What was your job before?
	Yeah.
	I was the director of sales.
	No, I wasn't, actually.
	Wait, I do want to wrap up here a little bit on not the show, but on the sugar daddy conversation.
	Then I need to get a couple chats.
	And who else has had the similar tricks?
	One of my fans tweeted.
	It's fine.
	I can fix that, I guess.
	On the mics, fell.
	It's fine.
	So one of my fans said they would pay like $10,000 for me to spit on them.
	You had that to me.
	Stop it.
	Sounds all right.
	Did you trade it?
	Did you do it?
	Yeah, I said, yeah, I'm down.
	Did he pay you?
	So you did it?
	Yeah.
	He paid you 10K.
	Yeah, he did.
	Okay.
	So you met up with him in person spit on the family.
	Well, he hasn't.
	He hasn't.
	We're still planning on it.
	Wait, hold on.
	Wait, but you're still planning on the meetup.
	He already sent me the money.
	Oh.
	He already sent me the meeting.
	He sent you the money.
	Even have to spit on him now.
	But I don't know what to do.
	Yeah, when we meet up.
	I don't know how the wall looks shot.
	He didn't receive the burdens, I guess.
	Yeah.
	That's crazy.
	Is this like a spit on him and leave or spit on him and ask him how his day was?
	Yeah, dead ass.
	Like, does he want to stay and talk afterwards?
	That's a good question over there.
	Cindy?
	Yeah.
	He wants to hang out, talk, get to know me.
	He's a fan.
	So is that before the spit or after the spit?
	I haven't spit.
	He sent the money and we're securing it.
	You know what I mean?
	But at what point he's connected to $200.
	Oh.
	I'm blue.
	Wow, that's totally sad.
	That's good.
	It's so bad, though.
	It's not even close.
	It takes me right back to 1999.
	That's absolutely beautiful.
	Wait, so my question was, though, do you like, as soon as you see him, is it like you're going for it or is there a little bit of a motion?
	He would probably.
	Hold on, hold on.
	Do you build a bit of rapport first before the spit?
	Yeah, definitely.
	We have to, you know, rapport you.
	We're talking a relationship.
	He has my number.
	When we meet up, he probably wants me to spit in his mouth.
	Oh, that's wow.
	Okay.
	So is it like.
	I don't know where he wants me to spit, but like I'll.
	You need to find that out before.
	Actually, he already paid you.
	Fuck it.
	Don't even go.
	Good times.
	Here, let me get a couple chats.
	And it'll be a trick.
	If you don't give him anything, he's just a trick.
	Just a trick.
	I learned that today.
	Trick.
	Well, I wouldn't do that.
	I want him to speak to him.
	See, Atlanta has its own vocabulary, I swear to you.
	Okay.
	Here, let me read a couple chats here.
	We have Bender the Offender.
	Do these ladies realize that by them being involved in the pornography industry, they will be unintentionally trapping themselves in the constant cycle of regret and relationship issues.
	Your thoughts?
	Well, we've kind of talked about that.
	Extensively talked about.
	Yeah, we have that.
	Bender the Offender.
	How about show of hands?
	Do you realize?
	Do you realize?
	Oh, yep.
	We realize.
	Or do you not realize?
	I just disagree with you.
	I believe that's a good question.
	It's just great honestness.
	The first step to doing anything really that is edifying is to face reality honestly.
	It's very good.
	No, like you can have your own opinion on it.
	Yeah.
	You know what, though?
	Here's my.
	I do have a thought on this is that, to what degree is it cope when it comes to oh, these girls who do porn and only fans?
	They're just gonna be miserable the rest of their lives and never find a partner.
	When, what if?
	What's going on in society is shifting I don't know if it's the Overton window, if that that would apply to this but it's shifting to the point where it's there's so many women involved in it.
	It's becoming more and more acceptable.
	Men are having uh, there's fewer women that are falling into more tradition like uh, modesty or tradition um, to the point where they are just going to have to accept and quote unquote, settle for this sort of thing.
	But the women have to settle for the men too, because the men are all like whatever, 95 of these men are looking at porn regularly anyway.
	So you know it's a kind of a mutual degradation, which is not to recommend it.
	But uh damn, what do you mean?
	You know they're like there is another option, drop number.
	Yeah, it's not like i'm a great okay um, we have fally here.
	What's up, Michael?
	Two at whatever podcast panels in two days, and you're the official reviewer for Tom McDonald's songs, Busyman.
	Also been waiting months to say this.
	Love the hairstyle.
	Stay truthful.
	Bro.
	Thank you.
	You know, I've had this hairstyle since I was six.
	My dad has that hairstyle.
	Wait, does he?
	A man has great taste.
	Can we Google, can we do a Google of young Michael Knowles?
	And it's true.
	I might be like baby Michael Knowles.
	I found some like back during your acting years.
	Oh, no.
	Same hairstyle.
	And I had one back in my derelict.
	Listen, we talked about all the shameful things I ever did, party too much, you know, go dating around.
	The most shameful, obviously, is being a professional actor.
	And I had this headshot once where I had glasses on, and I looked exactly like Rachel Maddow, the left-wing commentator.
	And I looked like a lesbian.
	And that's why I don't wear them.
	I love that for you.
	Yeah, you probably look so cute.
	Stop.
	Of course you have that opinion.
	You might be kind of blurry for me right now, but I can't wear you anymore.
	You got anything?
	I'm blurry.
	I think.
	You're a little blurry.
	How many?
	What you got?
	12?
	Yeah.
	Look at this.
	Oh, my God.
	Come on.
	Michael.
	That's so cute.
	Come on.
	What were you wearing?
	There we go.
	What is that?
	There we go.
	Michael.
	Darren, I'll tell you what.
	Let me dare.
	That picture.
	That picture that was from a Yale thesis film.
	And I'm laying in bed in this film.
	There's another fella.
	We're not doing anything.
	We're lying about it.
	Nothing wrong with it.
	I want to tell, well, no, there's a lot wrong with it.
	But what I will say is that is the most heterosexual thing ever to happen at Yale University.
	And I won't hear otherwise from anyone.
	Wow.
	Okay.
	Nice.
	Interesting.
	Nice.
	It's amazing, though.
	You know, when I was an actor, I played all these parts.
	I was a football player in a play or a movie.
	I was a soldier.
	I did this.
	No one ever brings those up.
	Nobody.
	But you play one half-gay guy in a Yale thesis film.
	All of a sudden, there's just a lot of people.
	Just one.
	Just one.
	Why do you think there's something wrong with that?
	Well, because I think that men and women are made for each other and the sexes are complementary and that the T loss of our sexuality is to get married and have children.
	That's really depressing.
	I have to agree.
	I think God.
	Do you agree with me or a girl?
	Because I feel like God said that, like, you know, we have two genders, a girl and a guy.
	Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve, man.
	Exactly.
	You know?
	Exactly.
	The world's also.
	Sorry.
	Go ahead.
	No, no, no, go ahead.
	I was going to say the world also isn't how God intended right now.
	The world is very different.
	Because it's fallen.
	Well, yeah.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Good time.
	I don't consider myself very religious, but I consider myself spiritual and never have I ever, I do believe in God and I believe in a lot of the things the Bible says.
	Never have I ever felt a certain type of guilt for being gay.
	I don't think you're gay, though.
	I don't think you say you're by.
	You know, I think the way that I see it.
	You don't think she's gay.
	I don't even really know.
	I mean, sure, I take your word for it that you're attracted to women.
	I'm very attracted to women.
	I love nothing more than women.
	I think I'm very gay.
	I think I'm the most gay I could ever be.
	I thought you said that you like guys, too.
	You know, my dad used to think.
	My dad used to think it was a phase two, and so did all my siblings, and so did all my friends.
	And then they saw the way I act around women and how crazy I become when I really like a woman.
	But you told us you're definitely gay.
	You told us at the beginning of this show that you were bisexual.
	Yeah, I guess I'm a little 5% bisexual.
	I have a 5% for men out there.
	That's fine.
	There you go.
	Yeah, there's a disease.
	I wish there was a test for it.
	That would give me an easier answer.
	No, look, I mean, people have all, I mean, it's a fallen world, so we have all sorts of disordered desires and things.
	I'm not saying we need to chuck it.
	I don't think my desire for women is disordered.
	I've never seen Sophia not with a woman.
	I've never seen her look at a man.
	I believe in 95%.
	I've never seen her look at a man and think, I want him.
	But I've seen her look at women and say, I have to have her.
	Yeah, I want to go clinically insane.
	For instance, you said you wanted kids.
	I do want kids.
	The way to have kids is within the kids.
	There's other ways to have kids.
	That's just the traditional thing.
	And then they get in this conversation you brought up adopting a child donor.
	They could adopt, there's a lot of kids in the, you know, adoption system here in the U.S.
	Oh, look at that, TTS.
	Raise your hand if you have ever lied on social media posting yacht pics your friend's mom took you on.
	Who doesn't?
	Okay, who.
	The last part, I have made content on a family trip.
	Oh, but my family knows I do in advance.
	Let me know.
	I'm going to get a lot of people.
	I don't know drugs.
	That's my mom trying to start drama because we got in a big fight.
	So just my mommy.
	Oh, is that directed to you?
	Yeah, that's directed to me.
	Oh, that's me.
	My mom's trying to start drama.
	We got in a big fight.
	You and your mom are beefing.
	We don't create content.
	No, I don't create.
	That is.
	She stopped.
	That's fun.
	Your mother posted that?
	Yes.
	Can we move on?
	Yeah.
	My mom is very seriously.
	Cool.
	These chicks live life on easy mode.
	Actually, that's what I was going to say with the $300,000 thing.
	$100K, some guys don't even make that per year.
	It took me 10 plus years to get to $400K a year in salary.
	And this chick is 19.
	How the F can men respect you?
	I actually don't think it's easy.
	Right, you've talked about all these terrible.
	Well, she just went away, but all these awful things you have to put up with, like stalkers and weirdos, and you're producing all that.
	I actually don't think it's that easy.
	It's not.
	And it comes with all sorts of emotional mentally, it's not.
	Yeah, yeah.
	So I actually don't.
	I think my bedroom is a lot of fun.
	I think you pay for it in the end.
	You do.
	Costines donated $207.
	There you go.
	Ladies of the panel, you should have families, if not just to propagate your beautiful genes.
	Men need to propagate the patriarchy.
	Smiles start now in a new skill.
	Wow.
	Okay.
	Lovely way to say that.
	Thank you, Pico Steens.
	Pico Stangins.
	Thank you.
	Appreciate it.
	Yeah, I mean, to some degree, though, I mean, I know you were mentioning the content and what comes with it.
	But I mean, if we were to do when we're talking about easy, I think perhaps this chatter, whatever fan, he said, comparatively speaking, I don't think there's a lot of 18-year-old men that can finesse money out of middle-aged women.
	There's not like a corresponding thing where 18-year-old men can make that level of money sort of almost by virtue of just being.
	Who keeps dropping their shit?
	Hello?
	I don't know why.
	Gravity, probably.
	Keeps leaping out of the chair.
	No, that's true.
	18-year-old men can't do it for sure.
	I have to disagree.
	I think there are men that are able to.
	Because of theirs.
	I've met men that are like 18 and they're really secured in their bag.
	It's not middle-aged women buying that content, though.
	Or you're just saying 18-year-old men can make money other ways.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Bitcoin or something.
	Well, if they want to invest in Bitcoin and stuff, but I'm just saying there are men that are young that are able to.
	That's true.
	My associate producer, Jacob, who's over there, he's like 12 years old.
	And that kid's bought two Camaros in the last month.
	Is this true, Jacob?
	I'm just paying him too much.
	Two Camaros.
	It's because he keeps crashing and blowing them up, so he has to get new ones.
	Yeah, sorry.
	I got more of a Mustang vibe from Jacob.
	Yeah, I got more of like a Mazda Miata vibe from him the first time I met him.
	Not like a Pontiac fireball.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, like something like a Pontiac vibe.
	There you go.
	I like your piercing.
	Thank you.
	That's hot.
	Cool story.
	Okay, we have Eric here donating.
	Thank you, Eric.
	Really appreciate your message.
	Welcome back, Michael.
	You give great advice.
	What cigar do you have today?
	I hope it isn't a Lewinsky special.
	Brian, thanks for the great guests.
	Keep doing your thing.
	Hey, Eric, thank you.
	Yeah, what is it?
	Thanks, man.
	Funny you asked.
	It's not a Lewinsky special, I'm pleased to announce.
	It's a Mayflower Dusk cigar, a beautiful Ecuador Habano wrapper with a Sumatra binder and Nicaraguan filler, rolled on the thighs of virgins.
	I tried to go down to the factory when we were finally in the last stages of producing it.
	I was held up by the government of the country that is producing them, so we had to reroute.
	But all's well, that ends well, and they are live again for pre-sale.
	After months of anticipation, the largest cigar launch, I think, in the history of tobacco, MayflowerCigars.com.
	You have to be 21 years old.
	Pull it back up really quick.
	Some exclusion supply.
	I have a question.
	You've practiced that, huh?
	Do you know that?
	Do you know that better?
	That's pretty good.
	Do you know the meme where it compares like do you know the meme where it compares women who take like photos of their legs while they're laying at the beach?
	Compares it to hot dogs.
	You guys should do a campaign because I mean, that photo looked like you could do like, is it a Mayflower cigar or women's leg or hot dog?
	Yeah.
	I do have, I can be part of that if you want to.
	Are you saying you have hot dogs?
	I have very hot dog legs.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	So did you say you wanted to promote the cigar?
	I do want to promote the cigar.
	Also, quick question.
	Thank you, Amy Check.
	Appreciate it.
	Thank you for the gift of 20 memberships.
	Go ahead.
	Michael, can we smoke a cigar together after this?
	I would love to.
	I would love nothing more.
	We should do it here during the show.
	I wonder if we can.
	Can we light up a cigar?
	Can we spark up?
	Unfortunately, I rent.
	Now you get a ventilator.
	And my landlord would evict me.
	Welcome to California.
	Yeah, Barry.
	Welcome to California.
	Yes, I would likely get evicted.
	So unfortunately, we cannot smoke here, but outside, we can.
	All right.
	Where were we?
	I'm trying to think where we were.
	We hit sugar.
	I think everybody, the sugar daddy thing.
	We hit the sugar.
	Okay.
	Oh, Cindy, so is that what was the thing that you had?
	You were going to spit in his mouth, I believe.
	Yeah, he's paying me to spit in his mouth.
	That's fucking disgusting.
	But he already paid her.
	Yeah, so you wouldn't have to do it.
	Y'all wouldn't do that for 10 grand.
	I have to do it, huh?
	Yeah, you're 10 grand.
	If someone offered you 10K to spit on them, your tongue you'd say no.
	I would say no.
	If I offered you 10,000, maybe at this point and you're laying in my mouth for $10,000 as a 20-year-old, as a broke 20-year-old, and someone said, You make a good point.
	I would have been telling you.
	Here, 10K, spit.
	You'd say, fuck yeah.
	I would have been tempted to say something like that.
	That's right.
	But it's disgusting, right?
	You were disgusted by it.
	They're not spitting in your mouth.
	But even doing it.
	I don't know.
	Honestly, if they offer to spit in my mouth for 10K, I'm fucking doing it.
	Yeah, me too.
	What?
	I don't do this work and I would spit on someone.
	Seriously.
	I would.
	I would spit on people even offering to pay for my farts.
	What?
	In a jar.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, I've got that.
	That's crazy.
	I would do that.
	Or like my gym socks or like shitting underwear.
	Excuse me.
	People do buy a lot of people.
	Like they want you to shit on them.
	Stop it.
	Get some help.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	All right.
	It's y'all's species.
	You know what?
	She's not totally wrong either.
	Y'all understand it more than we do.
	He's making money off of it.
	I blame these degenerate men who like throw obscene amounts of money.
	I also blame the women, though, here.
	I'm very not judgy.
	You're both blame.
	Yeah, right?
	Like, if you're fair, we're both blamed.
	If a man has that desire for whatever reason, like a charitable woman would not encourage it, right?
	You say, like, yo, man, you do the Michael Jordan.
	You'd just be like, yo, man, like, get some help.
	You know what?
	You don't need a psychiatrist.
	What if someone who said, here's 10K, you spit on me and said, you need some help?
	You'd say.
	I think at least today.
	Look, I hope that when I was broken 20, I hope I would say, no, thank you, sir.
	But certainly today.
	Certainly today, I do not need $10,000 that bad that I'm going to spit on a guy or sell any of these things.
	I would say, sir, I would give that guy money.
	I'd say, sir, here's bus fare to go to the psychiatrist.
	You would?
	Yes.
	That's crazy.
	Bustfare is like $2, you know.
	I guess we're a capitalist.
	Yes, and there are problems with capitalism, man.
	There are like big problems because it ultimately degrades to treat people like commodities and it degrades people to the point that everything becomes about material and money and dudes are paying you 10 grand to spit in their face.
	Well, if it's a specific kink, like, and not everyone will act that out for them or like get with it.
	Sorry, my mom's calling me.
	Yeah, shouldn't they just like keep that to themselves?
	No, because it's up to us as, I mean, sex workers to say, yes, we're comfortable with that, or no, we're not comfortable with that.
	I think like there's nothing wrong with their kinks and asking.
	I put a lot of blame on them, to be honest, on this one.
	I mean, like, the thing is, look, I personally don't really, I don't get it because I think it's the parasocial, like you actually get to communicate with these girls, although even to what end?
	These girls don't respect you.
	They're never going to date you.
	They're never going to, I mean, unless they're actual prostitutes, they're never going to actually be romantically involved with you.
	So I get that there's like the girlfriend experience that gets to actually chat with you, which even that's dubious because a lot of you have typers in Bangladesh who are typing while you're off in class.
	Everything you're saying actually is completely unfortunate.
	What I don't get, though, if it's strictly about them viewing your pornographic content, that's what really confuses me, bamboozles me, is the immense amount of free pornography that's available.
	How room temperature IQ do you have to be with the same thing every day.
	Is that the right word here?
	I don't know.
	I literally fucking free porn.
	Why are you paying for it?
	Because it's obviously not about the porn.
	It's not about the person.
	It's about the person.
	It's about the person.
	It's about the relationship.
	With your male.
	A lot of these typer dudes.
	Bangladeshi.
	Okay, so that's not fair to make that assumption for everybody.
	I don't have to.
	I talk to all my fans.
	But let me ask you a question.
	Just the same thing with these girls who do OnlyFans who have boyfriends.
	They wouldn't admit if they did.
	So if you did have a typer, you wouldn't come on here and say, by the way, I have a typer.
	We've had girls, I'm not going to put anyone on blast, but yes, girls who say they don't have a typer, who say they respond to all the messages, have typers.
	Well, it's not the case for everyone, so I just wanted to make that.
	I'm not saying all of them.
	I think it's morally wrong.
	Most of them.
	Most of them have a typer.
	I actually object.
	I don't have to do that, and they want to do it on their own.
	I do.
	Actually, I object to it more than the new content.
	Women who are misrepresenting the degree to which they're going to have a fan interaction, it's essentially fraud and misrepresentation.
	If you state that I'm the one talking to you, but in actuality, it's some manager, a male manager.
	But if you're the dude, what do you care?
	It's just a text coming through from your weird addiction.
	Yeah, it's just getting you off.
	If it works, then it works.
	Morally, I think that's wrong.
	If you are saying specifically, I do not have a chatter, but you have a chatter.
	I think that's morally wrong because they're paying for a subscription to talk to you.
	Well, it's not even that you say you don't have a chatter, but you do.
	Most women, most OnlyFans people wouldn't frame it like that.
	They would say, personalized texting, you're messaging me, but they actually have a type.
	I know this is a bit smashed.
	It says the same thing, though.
	I'm saying, like, if they're saying I'm talking to you and they're not, I think that's morally wrong.
	And I'll say that as a matter of fact.
	You could also actually make the case that it's actually civil fraud.
	I don't know if it reaches if it's actually criminal fraud, but it's certainly civil fraud.
	But if it's not that I disagree, though, that you said that we don't respect our followers.
	I completely disagree with that.
	I actually had like cool dudes that subscribed to my OnlyFans.
	No, you know, you might believe that.
	I'm not even convinced you do believe that, but you do not have a single cool dude subscribe to yourself.
	I do, actually.
	They are all huge losers.
	They are.
	Well, you can say that.
	They are.
	They are.
	Look, it's not because you're a pretty lovely gal, but it's if you're subscribing to this stuff, you are so deeply pathetic.
	I can say the same thing about you.
	I have a question.
	Have you ever been on a site like OnlyFans Pornhub?
	Have you ever subscribed to anyone's account at any point in your life before you were married?
	Maybe it's just because I'm too cheap.
	I would never.
	Look, for all my.
	I'm not saying I'm like Mr. Perfect.
	I've done plenty of terrible things.
	That's valid.
	I would never.
	To your point, Brian.
	You know, there's plenty of people.
	So have you?
	Have you?
	Like, straight up.
	Have you ever paid for someone's page on OnlyFans Pornhub?
	Anything?
	I'll tell you this.
	Actually, I don't want to expose any of the girls on the show.
	We recently did see girls.
	I did have somebody on my behalf because she was really claiming that she responds to all the messages.
	So during the show, I had someone pay for her OnlyFans.
	It was like 10 bucks and send her a message.
	Fortunately, we didn't.
	You just totally outed a girl.
	No, that's a lie.
	What?
	Because you subscribed mine.
	Huh?
	Your full file.
	I saw all the statements.
	Your name, Brian.
	You're literally a liar.
	I'm not.
	The app literally says Brian.
	Let's see, there's a lot of things.
	You're literally slandering me right now because you're not receipts.
	Receipts.
	Receipts.
	What's the email address?
	Receipts.
	No.
	Receipts.
	It doesn't tell you that email address.
	It's just your name.
	Do you have a full name?
	Do you have a free one?
	Do you have a free one?
	Oh.
	Do you have a free one?
	You're really emailing.
	Okay, so this is.
	No, because, well, sometimes we'll look at the girls from the whatever OnlyFans account.
	We'll look at for like Intel in the same way that we look at your Twitters.
	Intel.
	Intel.
	No, literally Intel.
	And they sit in a circle and look for Intel.
	But this is.
	So he does.
	First off, I'm fairly confident we didn't even look at yours, though.
	I saw all my statements.
	Is this your first and last name?
	I mean, wow.
	What email?
	Pull on OnlyFans.
	Look it up.
	No, pull on it.
	But on OnlyFans, you don't see the email.
	You only see a username.
	You can't see anything.
	I'm sure some of you have Donald Trump.
	You have subscribers.
	Okay, so just say someone came up to me with a fake name that was your name.
	But how am I supposed to prove it?
	But it could be you.
	You don't have to prove it, but I don't, you know.
	Okay, this is.
	It's not slander.
	Yeah.
	You don't owe anyone anything.
	No.
	If it wasn't you, it wasn't you.
	Yeah, if it wasn't you, it wasn't you.
	If it was someone else.
	Oh, okay.
	It wasn't.
	What is a free OnlyFans?
	Isn't the whole point that you pay money?
	Well, there's like free ones.
	There's different strategies.
	I mean, if you're going for a free page or a paid page.
	Usually when people have free pages, it's like a little tease to get you to subscribe to their paid OnlyFans.
	Oh, so you have to pay.
	You can see.
	Can you see the account?
	You can see the username for who subscribes.
	Raise your hand if you're busy.
	No, I want a full vindication of this accusation.
	You can look on your OnlyFans and see the username correct.
	What was the username?
	Your name.
	Brian Atlas.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	It's actually other Brian Atlas.
	I was going to say, yeah.
	What's that?
	That doesn't even make sense for whoever describes it.
	There's other people that have your same name.
	But straight up, that doesn't make sense.
	Well, the only OnlyFans account that is owned is the onlyfans.com/slash whatever account.
	So, unless it was from that one, which it sounds like it wasn't, then that's an imposter or somebody who shares my first and last name.
	What kind of content you post on there?
	Oh, I'm not sure.
	Are you just like a troll page?
	Oh, okay.
	We don't do any adult content.
	Bummers.
	To investigate.
	I would subscribe.
	Literally.
	With big labia women on the camera.
	Hey.
	We just want to discriminate.
	Well, I mean, you did when you got your labia plasty.
	I don't know.
	Or was that a joke?
	No, I'm being dead ass serious.
	That is September 29th, 2022.
	So disappointing.
	2022.
	Labia Plasty.
	Did that just zoom into your face or something?
	No, but it should.
	The dramatic fact.
	Well, like, my fans like my labia.
	They've never seen my labia the other way, so.
	Cindy also admitted to me after a show that.
	What?
	I almost want to retributively slander you in return.
	No.
	Okay.
	Whatever.
	Let's see.
	Exactly.
	Whatever.
	Exactly.
	Whatever.
	I have some pre-show notes here I want to get into.
	Oh, here's a question that was related to, we were talking about income and money.
	Would you rather be a millionaire entrepreneur single with no kids at 35 or a stay-at-home mom with two kids married to a millionaire at 35?
	Stay-at-home mom with two kids.
	Around the table.
	Around the table.
	I would rather be a stay-at-home mom with two kids married to a millionaire.
	No, I agree with that.
	What was the option?
	That I just read?
	Yeah, sorry.
	Would you rather be a millionaire entrepreneur single with no kids at 35 or a stay-at-home mom with two kids married to a millionaire at 35?
	It depends who my partner is.
	Well you're single.
	Whoever you're married to, I guess.
	Well, it would depend who it is.
	Say it was a great one.
	A great one?
	I think that's a good option, but I'd also like to have my own career.
	Well, so which of the two if you had to pick?
	By 35.
	Buy 35.
	I want kids.
	Yeah.
	Probably good.
	Neglect?
	Yeah, personally, I don't want to work.
	I do not want a career.
	I would be a stay-at-home mom.
	Same as well.
	Yeah.
	Stay-at-home mom for you.
	Okay.
	Good to know.
	Good to know.
	Unanimous decision, you guys.
	Good choice.
	That's great.
	Yeah.
	It's great you know.
	Michael, what's your answer?
	You know, if I had it to do all over again, which I guess I'd just have a nice sugar daddy husband, a couple of kids, you know, the millionaire.
	No, I don't think.
	Because I kind of am like a bad guy.
	That's what I was going to say, aren't you?
	Yeah.
	I kind of am the guy in that.
	And I've got the wife with the idea.
	If I found a guy who's younger who actually made money like that and who I actually fucked with, then yeah, it would be cool.
	It could work out, but I haven't found that yet.
	Not a trick.
	A guy.
	Yeah, like a guy my age.
	In his 20s, like 25.
	I did, Michael, you asked a question which I thought was good.
	Or it was more so of a statement, I think.
	But it was about how the girls don't really like or respect their subscribers.
	And I mean, the way I was kind of approaching it was more from a romantic perspective.
	I don't think these are ever men that you would actually be romantically involved with.
	I would disagree.
	I don't know that.
	Do you think so?
	Yeah, I like stand by that.
	Like, some of my subs are actually really cool.
	Yeah, I think stopping you from perspective.
	Yeah, you said you've been if they're really cool and you're single.
	I'm not looking for a relationship.
	I saw that off bat.
	Why is that right now?
	I'm not.
	I don't want a relationship right now.
	Okay.
	Does that make sense?
	You're not looking for.
	How old are you going?
	25.
	25?
	Okay.
	You want to get married one day?
	I do, yeah.
	Have kids?
	Yep.
	Okay.
	I mean, 25, it's still okay, but you know, it's no, not telling you you're getting up there.
	Is that what you're trying to say?
	Are you trying to say I'm getting older?
	Are you trying to say she's getting older?
	How old are you, Brian?
	Hold on, let me ask you a question.
	How old are you?
	I'm 34.
	But what I'm saying is, nice.
	I'm saying that.
	Okay, you saw that too?
	You saw that too?
	Yeah, I saw that too.
	The difference is, is that for women, because when it comes to fertility, there is a differential there.
	Yeah, I graduated with a physiology degree.
	Yeah.
	She said I know.
	Cool.
	Cool story.
	But you're totally disregarding the pursuit of a relationship.
	Assuming that you're single.
	Assuming you're not.
	I am actually single.
	To your point, I mean, you should get married too.
	Okay.
	Yeah, the turntables.
	Yeah.
	Turntables have.
	Brian, we can talk about this after the show.
	Yeah.
	But I also feel like relationship, love relationship doesn't just develop.
	It could take a year for you guys to actually, you know, be in a relationship.
	And you know what I mean?
	So, yeah.
	And I disagree with the whole I disrespect my fans or followers on OnlyFans thing.
	Like, that is not true.
	Like, I have respect for y'all for sure.
	You say that publicly, but I suspect privately you have some degree of contempt.
	I don't think it's possible for you.
	I understand why you would say it because that's kind of the show.
	But like, I don't think it's possible for you to respect them because they're not worthy of respect at all.
	I mean, they're doing a very degrading thing.
	That's your wild that you all know.
	No, I don't.
	I don't agree with you at all.
	Publicly, you can't say it.
	No, I actually don't agree with you at all.
	Oh, yeah.
	So then why don't you go on dates with all these marvelous men?
	Because they said I'm not dating.
	I don't want to date y'all.
	Right.
	I wouldn't date them either.
	I'm not dating in general, regardless if you're a follower of my OnlyFans.
	I would say like taking fans out of it's like, okay, I'm not saying I'm famous, but like a famous person dating someone that's not famous is completely not weird.
	You know what I mean?
	A fan of theirs.
	It's not weird.
	The issue with them isn't that they're obscure.
	The issue with them is they're exalting you as their object of desire while they pleasure themselves to pornography.
	That's what makes them feel like she said that's a lot of fun.
	You don't really think that.
	I do think that.
	I've met like a bunch of them this past week and they're like so awesome and I read you.
	Your job requires you to say nice things about them.
	Oh you went to that?
	How was it?
	That's fucking awesome.
	Did you see Celiberry?
	I didn't see Celibar.
	I love her.
	Me too.
	She's so good.
	Who?
	Celibery.
	Is she a whatever show?
	She's anal princess.
	Yeah.
	How could I say that?
	But she's very just like normal.
	She's very like down-to-earth normal.
	Like you should look.
	She was dating.
	Or maybe don't.
	I don't know.
	She was dating one of her fans.
	He lived in a homeless shelter and she dated.
	They dated for three years and they just broke up like a few months ago, I think.
	Had they gotten married, that might have been a good counter argument to my point.
	No, yeah, I know.
	They didn't.
	They did.
	Okay.
	We have Poopy's mom.
	I got to read a couple of these.
	Poopy's mom.
	Raise your hand if you're beefing with your mom because she got tired of you and your friend treating her like a trick.
	So you moved across the country last week?
	Okay, well, I'm not.
	Wait, can I say something?
	Hey, mom, didn't you go to jail for fraud?
	Is this actually your mom?
	That's actually my mom.
	God damn.
	Okay.
	Good.
	She's about to reverse those trips.
	What is going on with the moment?
	Oh, my God.
	Hey, mom, don't you make a living out of an illegal okay.
	All right, all right, all right.
	Let's, I don't know what's going on here.
	What uh, okay, and then there was uh uh Nick.
	Hey, Mia, since you're single, will you date me?
	I think I fall in love.
	How beautiful and mature being on OF, you're too sweet, and I would love to get to know you more.
	I'm a fan.
	What'd they say?
	Huh?
	I prefer not to answer that one.
	Oh, okay.
	All right.
	All right.
	There's some meta things going on here with the.
	Okay.
	So I'm trying to recall where we were.
	We were going around the table on something.
	I think everyone answered though.
	So I have some pre-show notes from you guys.
	Naomi Lin.
	You said the only pre-show you provided was you were dating athletes.
	NFL?
	Yeah.
	My last ex.
	NBA?
	Yeah.
	But I was like more kind of.
	HL?
	Hockey players?
	You stick to the NBA and mostly like football.
	Yeah.
	How many NFL players have you dated?
	Three-ish.
	What teams?
	Multiple players.
	I would prefer not to disclose that information.
	Was it Travis Kelsey?
	No, I wish.
	Actually, sorry, I respect Taylor Swift.
	My bad.
	And I don't like to talk about that.
	NBA players too?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	I was an athlete in college.
	Oh, I cheered in college, so I just knew a lot of athletes already.
	I'm glad that you revised that sentence there.
	Oh.
	Sorry, shots fired.
	Well, we were in athletics.
	We were treated like athletics.
	You also got everything that they did.
	Gotcha.
	And I saw that you also, that doesn't matter.
	Let's see.
	We have.
	Mia Huffman, did you date Future?
	No.
	Why do I have that in my mind?
	I'll go by that.
	I'll go by that.
	You say, yeah.
	For sure.
	I did, yeah.
	Was it a tweet?
	Something about Future?
	I don't know.
	Do you know what I'm talking about?
	It's Future.
	I don't know.
	The rapper.
	Yeah.
	W Fire.
	Always on his guy.
	Toxic Kings.
	I think you've made this disclosure on another podcast.
	Was there something about a frat that you can tell us?
	And you've shared the story on other podcasts.
	Yeah, it's semi-public.
	I'm not.
	There's not a story.
	There's multiple stories.
	Tell us the multiple stories.
	I used to go to Cal Poly Pomona.
	I was a little frat rat, I guess.
	I was in Zeta Tel Alpha Zeta's.
	Frat rat like I just I loved one frat you had sexual intercourse with like not the whole No, no, no, no.
	Like, 70%?
	No.
	Like, a small percentage.
	But I was just always at the frat house.
	I was always just having fun, always at parties.
	I was 18.
	But, yeah, that was just, I just really loved the frat.
	I was more hardcore about the frat than I was my sorority.
	Oh, you were in the sorority?
	Okay.
	So what were some of the stories that you had from the frats?
	Just being locked in a lot.
	Walked in?
	On?
	By, like, the whole frat?
	No, just, like...
	Large groups of the frat.
	Like...
	Like a few people, like once.
	Did they join after?
	No, Did they stay?
	No, they left.
	Oh, it was polite of them.
	Yeah, they were polite.
	There's not much to say.
	It was just, I was just always having fun there.
	I was always drunk, very messy.
	So, and a question for you.
	Were there any, there were no frat orgies?
	Is that?
	Nothing that I know of.
	You're Catholic, correct?
	I was raised Catholic.
	Raised Catholic.
	Are you still Catholic?
	I'm starting to go like monthly with my mom.
	Nice.
	All right.
	That's great.
	Yeah, but you did say also in your notes to us previously that you've learned to support polyamish relationships while being Catholic because of the dynamic that is becoming modern day dating.
	That seems a bit contradictory to the Catholic faith.
	I think so.
	We talked about it last time.
	I'd say I definitely learned that obviously nowadays there's a lot of hookup culture.
	And you guys actually asked them about the hookup culture, not me.
	I don't engage in it myself, but I have learned to accept like that's the reality.
	Like younger girls or just anybody, we're all like we're young, we have sexual drives, people are having those like polyamorous technical relationships where they're with multiple people.
	So I've learned to just kind of not that I hate on it at all.
	I don't hate on it.
	I understand that's just kind of what sexual drive is, especially nowadays.
	So that's where I come into term where I don't chastise it and say like, oh, that's terrible.
	They cannot do that.
	They're terrible people.
	They're ultimate sinners.
	They're not.
	Like they're just, they are sinners, but they're human.
	It's human nature nowadays.
	Well, that's not radical.
	There's nothing radical.
	Yeah, so it's nothing radical.
	It's just I simply accept it.
	Like that's just how they are.
	When you say it's not for me.
	It's just not for me.
	That's why I'm and you wouldn't say it's not good, but it's you know, but it's the fallen world.
	That's how it works.
	I don't feel like good and bad is ever like a good there's not a correct way.
	Did you catch that?
	I know.
	There's not a correct way to quantify like good or bad anymore nowadays, especially in 2024.
	When did that change?
	I think it's changed as we've all gotten older.
	Like obviously we're almost all in the same age group.
	I just think that you said in 2024.
	In 2024, there's just so many changes.
	There's, aside from just having Tinder back in the day, which was like six years ago, I think is when it started, now there's multiple other apps.
	There's Raya, for instance.
	There's all these other things.
	There's so much that's going on and changing in our relationship developments and social developments.
	So you can't really have those radicals.
	But that changes good and bad, or it just changes how society feels.
	I think we were all brought up in a way of like, don't talk to people on the internet.
	You don't know who these people are.
	And now it's like we all meet from the internet.
	We're all here right now from the internet.
	So it's just like we're on the internet right there.
	There's good and bad that comes with it.
	It's so beautiful.
	So beautiful.
	Yeah.
	Beautiful thing.
	But you wouldn't want like when we all meet on the internet here, it's through like a producer with a show that we can look up.
	We know it's relatively safe, you know, whatever.
	Whereas still, that old advice of like, don't meet up with people, randos you meet on the internet.
	But we didn't know this was safe.
	What if we were just getting tricked into coming on a podcast and with a psycho?
	Yeah, fair enough.
	So I guess that's true.
	And anything could happen.
	It's just like, really these days, that's how a lot of people meet.
	Like that's how a lot of jobs happen.
	That's how a lot of like money's made.
	Like that's the internet has really changed the world that we live in.
	Yeah, but it doesn't change like the morality of polycules or whatever.
	We were just talking about.
	Yeah, I was just saying like bad and good, it's not that those have exactly changed.
	It's just we've all inched into we can go meet somebody on the internet on Tinder or we can meet somebody on Instagram and DM each other and say we're going to do a podcast.
	I mean she met her ex-fiancé on what was it?
	Tinder.
	Yeah, but that was a bad choice.
	There you go.
	That's not a regular cow.
	Fortunately didn't work out.
	I feel like speaking.
	Oh, go ahead, Cindy.
	Go ahead.
	My neighbor met each other on Tinder and they're so together.
	I feel like it's very specific the person, your experiences.
	And if you had a bad experience, I can understand why you wouldn't like, you know what I mean?
	Like if a guy's sliding your Instagram DM and you had a bad experience, you're like, oh yeah, I'm never going to find anybody on Instagram DM or on TikTok or whatever.
	But just very true.
	I have a few more pre-show notes here.
	We have something here from Sophie.
	Sophie, you said that I think modern dating is toxic and I think hookup culture makes sex boring.
	Question for you, Sophie.
	Have you engaged in hookup culture?
	I have definitely engaged in hookup culture.
	While I was in college, it was a lot.
	Sorry.
	It was a lot easier to engage in hookup culture just being around that all the time and stuff.
	I've noticed for myself, I don't have fun when there's no emotion connected and when there's no relationship being built and when I'm not looking to the future and seeing myself with that person.
	So I think it's toxic, at least for me and my mental health.
	I prefer not to sleep with someone and never talk to them again.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Have you had a rebound?
	I have had so many rebounds.
	Oh my gosh.
	Wait, but you said you broke, just to be clear, the engagement was broken up like a month ago, was it?
	Yeah, I haven't had a rebound.
	Oh, no, I meant a rebound since the breakup of your engagement.
	Okay.
	Well, so is because you said you have engaged in a hookup culture and you said that makes sex boring, is sex now boring for you?
	Sex isn't, no, not if there's a relationship.
	I just think hookup culture is boring to me.
	Okay.
	All right.
	We have Maddie here.
	Maddie, you say that your ex cheated on you with a best friend and they still together two years later.
	Mm-hmm.
	Weird.
	Oh, that's it.
	Okay.
	I thought there was more to the girl.
	Are you still friends with a girl?
	No.
	It was in high school.
	Like, you know, I dated him for like three and a half years.
	She was always around because that was my best friend.
	And then, you know, it ended up like they were hooking up before I knew.
	And then we broke it off and for the best because I met someone who I really loved and enjoyed.
	And it was good for me after that.
	But everything happens for a reason.
	None of us have talked since.
	Sure.
	Okay.
	You also say dating these days is a lot different than how it used to be.
	Now dating is like hanging out and hooking up.
	Sorry.
	So what was it like?
	You said dating these days as opposed to when precisely?
	Because I being 19, I don't suspect you've been dating all that long.
	No, I don't mean in my own personal life.
	I mean like back in the 90s.
	Yeah, like when it was like you pull up to the front door, you shake your mom's hand, you like open the car door, like old-fashioned shit.
	And that's nice.
	Yeah, I love it.
	Old ways.
	But guys don't do it that much.
	No, but girls don't either.
	The world's changed.
	It's not just.
	But you could still, there are still guys who would do it.
	And I would.
	I was with one, I know.
	Do the other women at the table concur with that?
	Do you feel like, wouldn't that be nice if men were a bit more chivalrous and traditional?
	I just find it respectful.
	Like, if you can shake my mom's mouth, I know you're sounding down Cindy looking at yourself in the monitor there, but would you like guys to be chivalrous and traditional and get you flowers, open the car door, pay for dinners?
	Yeah, I would love that.
	Give me flowers.
	Naomi, what about you?
	Yeah, I feel like you're going to say, like, oh, but like, you're not traditional, so you don't deserve that.
	Well done.
	Well done, Naomi.
	No, you're sure.
	All right, you can still deserve that.
	That's just the virtue of being a woman.
	Thank you.
	Do you believe that?
	Seriously?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Why did you say whoa, whoa, whoa.
	I don't know about that one, Michael.
	Yeah, totally.
	Thank you, Michael.
	That's what chivalry is about, right?
	Now we hate gender roles.
	We pretend that they're really bad, but it's good.
	It's good.
	You live up to your role in your station.
	You're a woman, so you open the door for you.
	But Michael, don't you, and Matt Walsh actually had a great, and he kind of got dragged a little bit for this, but Matt Walsh has spoken on this a little bit, and I find that I agree with him.
	In order to have an expectation of traditional treatment from men, women must also conduct themselves in a traditional way.
	That's better, but a marriage is a symbol of the relationship of Christ's love for his church, and we don't deserve the love of Christ, but he gives it to us anyway.
	So, you know, it would be hypocritical and quite backward to say, well, you know, but in the symbol of this great love, you know, we expect more of women than we ourselves give to our children.
	W, Michael.
	Yeah, W. If I may, I would like to respond to that.
	Oh, God.
	It's not, you said expecting more of women, but I think it's the, it's a much smaller ask for men, for example, to pay for first dates than it is for us men to ask women to not have nude photographs on the internet I and so sure but I guess yeah I'm agreeing with you that like uh the world works better when like people are more virtuous and holy and but often we're not and
	And so if you view, as I do, as is the kind of traditional Christian view, that marriage is a symbol of Christ's love for his church, then I think you're just giving people way too much credit here.
	People are evil and do terrible things all of the time.
	And so, yeah, you're right.
	Yes, women shouldn't be posting these things and it's bad and it hurts.
	But that doesn't change.
	That's your opinion.
	But I still agree with everything else you're saying.
	Thank you.
	It is my opinion, and I'm glad you agree with me.
	The man still has his responsibility if you're going to view sexual relations that way.
	Look, that's the traditional view.
	It's the Christian view.
	These days, a lot of people don't subscribe to those things, but I think they should.
	And you should too, Brian.
	Yeah, Brian.
	I guess my issue is, again, just this sort of unilateral, one-directional expectation of adherence to traditional gender roles.
	No, there is an expectation that women would behave in a good way, too.
	Just as there's an expectation that the church behaves in a good way.
	But it's not a deal-breaker, I guess, is what I'm saying.
	The man still has an obligation to act like a man, even if the woman is making some mistakes.
	Makes sense.
	But you don't act like a man.
	This girl cannot cook and clean and take care of children.
	You're asking me or him?
	Being an OnlyFans girl does not preclude you from being able to engage in the labor of cooking and cleaning, no.
	It's not good for the kids.
	But it could, for example, have an impact.
	I mean, there's a potential impact on the children with bullying, for example.
	Fuck them kids.
	And why do the girls have to do that?
	also not be great for a mother.
	But why would the kids, you're saying that her kids would get bullied later on than other kids?
	Pre-teen boys are the most fucking brutal Okay.
	Okay, but by the time you're a preteen, then you can have a conversation with your kid about this is why I did what I did.
	You're going to hear stuff about it.
	This is how you go by responding to it.
	No, look, life goes on.
	You can, you know, there's redemption and repentance and everything.
	But it's going to be a little rough.
	It's still a bad thing.
	I understand.
	I don't know.
	Maybe I'm out of the left field on this one.
	I would prefer if my future wife didn't have photos and videos of her having sexual intercourse with other men on the internet.
	That's cool.
	That's toxic.
	I don't know if that's toxic.
	I just prefer.
	That's not toxic, that's what I mean.
	I just prefer, you know.
	Bobby Farina donated $200.
	Just throwing it out.
	Michael, what does the road to redemption look like for these women who are going from being paid for to being a 35-year-old mother of two and married to a high-value man?
	High-value man.
	A high-value man.
	H-V-M.
	HVM.
	Not a trick.
	Not a trick.
	What do you do?
	Well, look, a gale wrote into me one time and said, Michael, I'm listening to your show and I do OnlyFans and I just found out that a member of my family, an uncle or something, subscribed to my OnlyFans and I don't know what to do about it and should I write in with him.
	And I said, okay, first thing you do, stop doing OnlyFans.
	That would be the very first thing I would recommend doing.
	Second thing, I don't know.
	I don't know if you want to rat your uncle out.
	I don't know if it's like a fake name or something.
	Maybe it's another guy with the guy.
	I don't know.
	But the very first thing that I would recommend doing is stop that.
	if you're going down the road and you're going down the wrong road, then the very first thing you got to do is stop walking and like turn around and go in a different direction.
	And it's, it's easier.
	Why is he, why is he like subscribed though?
	Like that.
	Why is it not?
	Oh, that guy, because he's a total degenerate, I guess.
	But that's on him.
	That's on the uncle.
	Right, the only thing she can control is this bad thing that she's doing.
	Well, you're not recognizing the real issue.
	She could also do that, but it doesn't solve her.
	Her uncle is having this fantasy about someone that's not.
	Someone related to it.
	That's the real problem.
	That's the problem.
	So I feel like.
	But is that really like.
	It doesn't matter.
	Yes, that's a problem.
	That's a consequent problem.
	If she does OnlyFans, it's just like at the end of the day, even if she doesn't have OnlyFans, he's still in the middle of the day.
	But to the question that was asked.
	The question is, how do you go from, you know, you're doing OnlyFans to marrying the 35-year-old millionaire and getting kids and everything?
	And the blunt answer is the very first thing you do is stop.
	The very first thing you do actually is go to church as much as you want to, and like once a month is a good start.
	And then that kind of starts to change your mind.
	And then at a certain point, the next thing you do is you stop doing OnlyFans and you just do anything else.
	And I don't know what it is.
	I believe in God, even though I partake in the world.
	Many such cases.
	But it's very difficult.
	Even when one changes one's mind, it's a little more difficult to change behavior.
	So the very first thing you've got to do is just stop doing the thing that seems to be causing the problem.
	And we have some disagreement, but some agreement about whether or not this is problematic behavior that is causing you to not quite get to the 35-year-old millionaire with two kids stage.
	And so you do that, and then you take the next step in front of you.
	So the next step might be some other job.
	The next step might be meeting guys at places where you find better guys.
	What if we can have OnlyFans and then we can still meet the person we're supposed to end up with and still end up with the two kids and still end up with the house and the life and still have had this time in our 20s.
	I think that's what makes people mad.
	Why do we have our cake and eat it too?
	Our job.
	People get mad.
	Because you can't.
	The expression you just used.
	No, but the expression you just used, why can't I have my cake and eat it too, describes an impossibility?
	Because if you eat your cake, you can't still have your cake.
	So you might have unwittingly used that phrase, but what you're describing is something that's mutually contradictory because the guy who, look, maybe you can find some rich to Jen.
	No, I'm saying how I worded it is they're pissed that we can.
	But whatever the phrase, it's literally impossible to do that.
	You can't.
	Okay, wait, regardless of the phrase, regardless of the phrase, what if it went down exactly how I said, we still had our 20s, we still had this time to do what we're doing right now, and we still end up with the person we're supposed to, married, kids, whatever.
	I'm not saying it's not possible.
	It's very possible.
	But it seems pretty unlikely.
	And I think we would all agree with that.
	And none of us agree with that, except you agree with that.
	None of us agree with that.
	A lot of you have said, ah, what I'm doing, it's not really good, and there's all these bad problems.
	Does anyone here feel that what they're doing right now is derailing them from being with the person they're supposed to be with in the end and the life that they're supposed to end up with?
	No, no, no.
	I'm not saying in the end.
	I'm not saying in the end.
	Right now.
	I think at least some of you are.
	But none of us, if we're not looking for a long-term relationship right now, how does that even make sense?
	We don't want that.
	We're not looking for that.
	All of us are literally saying the same thing.
	You're not looking for it.
	One of you just said that, you know, look, it takes a while to have a relationship, and maybe it might take a couple years of dating, and then you get engaged.
	So these things don't happen overnight.
	And it reminds me of people who say, hey, man, why can't I just have like a deathbed confession?
	You know, I live it up, man, I go to Vegas.
	I do all sorts of crazy stuff.
	And on my deathbed, which I may or may not get, I'll just convert and then I go to heaven.
	That'll be really great, right?
	And look, maybe, maybe.
	But really what happens is people tend to just keep going down the roads that they're on, and the habits that they cultivate become the habits that define their lives, whether it's virtue or vice.
	And I just think if you believe you're going to keep doing this, and then one day at 34 and a half, you're going to wake up and say, you know what, I'm going to do something totally different now and get Mr. Wright, who's not addicted to porn, and get two kids and millions of dollars.
	I just think that's very, very unlikely.
	Do you believe in porn addiction?
	I think it's more likely to be a lot of people.
	You don't believe in porn addiction?
	We've heard about this earlier.
	I said I don't believe in porn addiction.
	Nicolette.
	Nickalette.
	I think it's more likely that all of us are going to find, like, some hot rich guy to marry and take care of us, than to, like, be single for the rest of our lives.
	Because we've set those standards for ourselves, so we're not going to accept, like, anything less.
	Isn't that funny?
	I mean, like, look at the panel.
	Like, we're not going to die alone.
	Look at this.
	We're hot.
	I think.
	It's the longest audio clip.
	It has so many moves.
	I think, in reference to what you kind of pointed out, I don't know who it was.
	It was one of you two that said, like, finding a relationship and developing a real one takes a year.
	I completely agree.
	Oh, I thought that.
	I did.
	And I agree.
	I completely agree.
	And I think it shines fault onto your own statement of just, oh, like, you have to leave it immediately and stop so that you can go find the Mr. Rate.
	Yeah, how do you start?
	You don't have friends.
	You can become friends.
	You can't.
	So I have a question.
	Light relationship that develops into not to cut you.
	And that's how it kind of goes.
	I believe in you, Nicolette.
	No, look at it.
	It's going to happen.
	I believe in you.
	I think you could all do it.
	What I'm just saying is it seems likely to me that you're not going to be able to do it.
	Great Parliament for Sports donated $200.
	What you feel has nothing to do with how a man you will want is going to feel about you and your past choice.
	And the new young hot girls without a history of being naked online will win.
	Grid 1 Motorsports, thank you very much.
	Appreciate it.
	Michael, you were about to say something.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, look, I mean, Grid One Motorsports makes a fair enough point.
	But the other thing is, you know, people change and your past doesn't necessarily have to define you.
	But in order for that to happen, it does have to be your past.
	And so I think that one would be fooling oneself if you were to say that the kind of guy that I could start dating while doing anything pornographic is just as good and just as normal and conducive to my happiness as a guy that I would meet not doing pornography.
	I just think the quality is, you know, that's your opinion.
	I decided that I've done pornography.
	It is my opinion.
	That's true.
	What does it matter?
	You've done pornography, whether you're doing it now or in the past, you've done pornography.
	So I don't care.
	No, because people change and we respect that people change.
	But I do think it's sort of like if you're trying to find a boyfriend while doing pornography, the odds are good, but the goods are odd.
	You're going to end up with a kind of a weirdo guy.
	And you don't deserve.
	You should have better guys.
	You should have guys who will give you a good life.
	Not of using.
	Not of us are.
	You're going to end up with a weirdo guy.
	Like, that's not true.
	I think the odds of you ending up with a weirdo, not the kind of guy you'd actually want to be married to if you start dating him and marry him while you're doing pornography.
	I disagree.
	I think the man that I, if I started dating someone while I'm doing what I'm doing, then they actually accept me for me and all of me and my choices in the world.
	Wait, they do accept certain things that maybe you don't want them to accept 10 years down the line.
	I have a question for you.
	You said you've been romantically involved with a couple NFL players and a couple NBA players, like five total.
	Yeah, some of them are really casual, but not like relationships.
	Why relationship?
	So these men, who I assume are in exceptional physical shape, are very high status given the nature of their profession, I assume are well off financially.
	Obviously, not all NFL players are compensated the same, but why didn't it work with any of them?
	Because I didn't want to take anything seriously.
	You didn't?
	You're telling me you didn't want to pursue a long-term romantic relationship with like a less than I assume these men are in terms of if we're looking at their status or their wealth or top 1% men.
	Sure.
	Not good enough for you.
	I never said that.
	Well, I mean, what I said, some were casual.
	One relationship was like a year relationship, and we just didn't see eye to eye.
	And there were third-party situations that affected that relationship.
	So we mutually decided, we're like, probably not best.
	And let it be known that NFL and NBA players are literally the scum on the ball.
	Yeah.
	That's why They're not like top 1%.
	They're not the top 10.
	MLB is an inventory, but Major League Baseball.
	Where's the NHL guys?
	What do you think about tablets?
	I would love to meet a good hockey guy.
	Pingwong?
	Like, where are the hockey guys at?
	Do you know any?
	I can talk to me after the show.
	I'll get you to the next story.
	Oh, but none of the no.
	Like, any rugby players or standard players?
	Like I said, I was only a round.
	I was a ground athlete, so that was just like who I was around.
	Have you considered a bad minute?
	I think you should try pro-badmint.
	That's really good.
	Some of those guys make a lot of money.
	Bad minimum hundreds of dollars a year.
	Huge.
	Okay, so wait.
	Will you guys at least acknowledge that by virtue of doing the kind of work you do, it doesn't, you're not going to be changed.
	How do I properly word this?
	I don't think it's going to be the case that you'll never find anybody.
	I don't think that's what we're arguing, but will you at least acknowledge that it is going to close the door for a substantial portion of men that you have?
	That we don't want either.
	Really?
	Yeah.
	Really?
	Well, you don't want them because they don't want you, but I suspect if you were to look at these men's character, I'm sure you could find them physically attractive.
	They could meet all your metrics, except that they wouldn't want to date you based on your past profession.
	Are you saying past profession or if they're currently doing it?
	Either.
	Both.
	Does anyone really want to be with someone who doesn't want them, though?
	Like, that's what I said from the beginning.
	It's different dating.
	Well, they would.
	They would.
	Guys that don't want to date a sex worker.
	Obviously, I'm not going to be like, okay, I want you.
	But do you at least acknowledge that it does close the door to, I can't attribute to what percentage of men it would be, but I think a fairly decent percentage of men, simply by virtue of the work you've done or did, may not want to date you.
	Yes, but you worded that differently, Lance.
	They're not meant for me.
	You're saying men that have all the characteristics that I would want, it's because they don't want me.
	No, I don't want them.
	Because they don't want them because they don't want you.
	You don't have to date a sex worker, and they're not okay with that.
	That's already like a.
	The morals don't align as well.
	That's why.
	Therefore, why I even have that interest in discomfitting.
	Do you really think it's a number one prerequisite for your future husband and the farmer of your children that they have to be really into porn?
	You don't have to do that.
	No, not that they really have to be into porn, but they have to accept the fact that I did porn and if I'm still doing it.
	But those are different things.
	Accepting the fact that you did something in your past that perhaps you're not super proud of, but you know, whatever.
	Versus nobody.
	Right.
	But, you know, if you're like really into it and maybe still doing it, then that's going to attract the kind of guy who's just really into porn.
	And I don't think that that is the top criterion.
	You say, I want my future husband, the father of my children, to be tall, dark, handsome, rich, and super into porn.
	You really think that is?
	They don't have to be like, you're talking super extremes here.
	Nobody should.
	I look for more like personality.
	Well, super into porn is a metaphysical quality.
	I look for more like personality.
	I can settle for a medium, ugly guy, and his personality is like a freaking 2,000.
	So it's like, at the end of the day, it's not even about what he has.
	It's if I get along with him.
	Sure.
	Say stocky, pale, mid, not that rich, but he has to be super into porn.
	But you're taking things to a super extreme.
	He doesn't have to be super into porn.
	He just has to be accepting of the fact that I think that if one dates, certainly if one marries someone whose profession is to be a porn actress, that guy is really into porn.
	That guy is the most into porn you can possibly be.
	So what do you characterize?
	What do you characterize?
	He's really into you.
	What do you characterize your work as?
	What you do.
	What do you do for work?
	Disapproves or what?
	What's like your title?
	Like, what do you do for work?
	I mostly own the lives with facts and logic, and I occasionally sell cigars.
	Okay, so your wife was like, oh man, I'm so into cigars.
	He destroys cigars.
	She's like, that's so fucking hot.
	Like, I want to marry him because he's so into cigars.
	The number of times I've heard this from women, I say, girls, stop, I'm married, go away.
	You can have a cigar, but you can't have me.
	That's what I have to say.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	But like, can we bring Jameson?
	Do you see, like, no, my wife, look, my wife, certainly, especially that I have a public profession, she's got to be on board with my job.
	And it is true.
	Even if I, even if I were to say, you're saying the same thing that she's saying right now, why do you have to be on board with your job just like who she's going to be?
	You need to be on board with her job.
	She doesn't have to be super into cigars.
	That was my point.
	But she has to be on board with what you want.
	Do you have to support you in your career?
	Was she prior?
	Right.
	Good point.
	Was she prior interested in you having all this public figure media and all these other things besides?
	I've noticed that.
	Brian, you saw that happen.
	You saw that.
	That was pretty good.
	And I met her when I was down.
	So we kind of had that going.
	But it is legitimately a prerequisite of anyone who would marry me, right, that they have to be.
	Therefore, it was a prerequisite just as a power is that they would accept us for that same reason.
	Yeah, that they would have to be super into porn.
	Yes.
	Your wife isn't a politician herself, or she's not an interesting person.
	No, but she is into politics in as much as a lot of our lives involve politics, going to public events, traveling, or whatever.
	Does that mean she was super she would be okay with?
	She means she's got to be like pretty into it.
	She was okay with the involvement.
	Therefore, our partners or future partners would be interested in respecting our work and having had for having accepted that involved in the past.
	Wait, but I don't know if you're not.
	Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
	How many you want your future partners to respect your past work?
	Just as you were saying, that's a question.
	That's a question.
	Sorry.
	Sorry if I'm being a bit, huh?
	Respect in the sense that they don't shame you for it.
	Respect that they're not.
	They shouldn't shame you.
	That's a big ask to be like from the people that are okay with it.
	Stop, stop, stop.
	That is a really big ask for most men to be like, babe, I respect the fact that there are videos of you having sexual intercourse with men who are not me on the internet.
	I'm sorry.
	The past is in the past.
	Like, why?
	That's cuckoo.
	I don't want the cutaways if you're a judgmental guy.
	Not even judging.
	That is judging.
	It is judgment.
	Judgmental.
	It is judging, and that's a sin.
	I don't think it is.
	Not even.
	Not really.
	No.
	It is.
	You shouldn't judge people.
	You shouldn't be jealous.
	You shouldn't judge people.
	Really?
	It's not.
	Yeah, it's not.
	We really should.
	But we really shouldn't.
	But it's interesting.
	Wait, hold on.
	It's interesting that you say that men are super judgmental when it comes to this specific thing.
	But we all know that women are far more sexually selective than men, and you judge men on a whole slew of criteria when it comes to who you're going to sleep with, have long-term relationships with, be partnered with, marry.
	Bricks and time for the delusion calculator.
	No masculine man wants a peace star as a wife.
	The simps that will marry a 304 will eventually bore them.
	The only winner will be the divorced lawyers and poor boys.
	Let me ask you guys, thank you, Gridwan, for that.
	Let me ask you guys a question.
	Like, try to take yourself out of this.
	Do you think if you were a man, when it comes to optimizing your potential choices when it comes to a partner, do you think it's a sub?
	Devon Jackson donated $200.
	It's not in the past if I can pull it up today.
	That's a very good point, Dayvon Jackson.
	Do you think that it's a suboptimal dating choice to date a woman who does or did pornography?
	Like if he had the choice of dating a woman who didn't have nude photographs and videos on the internet, having videos and photographs of her having sexual intercourse with one, two, three other men?
	That's a choice and a preference.
	But would you acknowledge that it's sub-optimal in some way?
	No, because she probably goes better head.
	Oh my gosh.
	Is there perhaps more to life than that?
	Okay.
	I can see.
	My ex was not okay with me doing OnlyFans.
	Like when I started, it was not okay.
	Like we did end up filming content together, but he was not cool.
	Like he was not cool with me doing that.
	You were dating before you started doing it?
	Yeah.
	Where'd you start then?
	OnlyFans?
	We were breaking up and I was moving out.
	Breaking out.
	Okay.
	Well, I was also dating someone before doing OnlyFans and while doing OnlyFans and all of their friends thought it was so cool.
	I do want to try to switch gears a little bit because I think we've lingered on the porn bad for a little too long.
	Don't get me wrong.
	It's always interesting to talk about.
	But Dayvon Jackson, by the way, good to see you back in the chat, man.
	It's been a while.
	Welcome, welcome.
	Thank you for your patronage.
	And Grid, we might be able to pull up the calculator a little bit later.
	Maddie, you said that you support feminism, but not over the top.
	So what aspects of feminism do you support?
	I support women.
	I support that women should have the same rights as men.
	I support that women should get paid the same amount as men.
	I support women.
	That's what I suppose.
	Okay, so same rights as men and then should be paid the same as men.
	Just treated as equal.
	Do you think they're not?
	Yeah, in some ways, yeah.
	I think men are paid more in certain jobs.
	What about the OnlyFans?
	Women are definitely paid more.
	So do you think we should take money from women?
	Like, I have some guy-only fans.
	I know friends.
	I have guys who are friends who do OnlyFans and they still make money.
	Like that's not, but I think like mainly women run this app.
	Not to say that I just don't think there's as many men on the app as there is women and that's why women make more.
	Okay.
	Well, do you think?
	Do you think, for example and this came up in the debate do you think that in women's sports women, female athletes, should be paid the same as male athletes like, for example, in tennis or in women's soccer or in?
	Do you think that the WNBA, do you think the women in the WNBA should be paid the same?
	As you know, they're playing the same game right as in the NBA.
	I mean, coming from someone who played college in soccer and could have, could have ended up going pro I yeah, I totally think women and men should get paid the same.
	They're doing the same things, they're training the same amount like, but the leagues are making vastly different amounts of revenue and that's why women don't make the same.
	I understand it, but I don't agree with it erroneous.
	Erroneous okay, but didn't you just say that?
	Well, when it came to only fans like, do you think, for example, all the women on only fans should start subsidizing male content creators?
	What do you mean by that?
	Well, men don't make the same amount of money on only fans.
	There's less opportunity for men on only fans.
	Should the women collectively have to, you know uh, relinquish some of their earnings in order to bolster men in the only fans world?
	Or what about in the modeling world, for example?
	I think if there was as many men on the app, men would be making just as much money, but I think that women really there's not the equivalent demand.
	I'm not a feminist.
	I like, I think, like.
	I just want to say i'm sorry, but like I, I that's my business partner.
	Wait, I feel like men.
	Okay, The society is like built this way where, like men is able to be more dominant in like, I mean, in relationships and money and government.
	If we think about, like, I just think, like, I don't know.
	Like, I just think that it's built this way.
	So what?
	Wait, a lot of wisdom in there.
	Question for Maddie here.
	So you think the WNBA, the women in the WNBA, should be paid the same as the men in the NBA.
	Is that correct?
	Okay, look, I'm not going to speak on it.
	I'm not going to, I'm not going to speak to you.
	Well, you do dive too deep.
	I'm not going to dive too deep into that.
	Because I'm pushing back a little bit on your position.
	Don't walk back your position.
	I hear you, but I'm not going to dive too deep into something that, like I said, I support women, but I'm not over the top about it.
	Okay, but you said you support equal pay, and I'm asking in this specific realm of human endeavor, do you think that in women's soccer, they should be paid the same?
	Women's tennis.
	Yes, I do.
	And also in the NBA, do you think they're too?
	I don't know how much people in the NBA make on different sides, but I do think that they should get paid the same, yes.
	Okay, but there are like three people.
	I'd like you to name three male NBA players.
	No, I'm not naming anyone.
	I don't know.
	Okay, can you name them?
	I mean, I'm not, I just knew soccer.
	Okay, well, the point I'm trying to make is, I mean, the women in the WNBA would be more adequately compensated if, for example, women actually watched basketball, but they don't.
	You're saying?
	Well, you're saying that they should be equally compensated, but it doesn't sound like you're a big, like, female sports fan.
	Like, you don't buy jerseys or and that's the case for not just you, but for a lot of other women.
	Yeah.
	Could I add?
	I think what she's trying to say.
	I'm trying to put words in your mouth.
	Yeah.
	But what she's trying to say is that their compensation should be equivalent, but in reality, they are compensated more men are in male sports because they do bring in a lot more views.
	They bring in a lot more of that traction between those communities with the NFL, NHL, et cetera.
	So for that reason, it's understandable that they make more income.
	Regardless, I think what she's trying to say is just she wishes that their compensation was equivalent.
	Obviously, because of why should it?
	Because it's the same sport and because of the same mechanics that they work out and they're always exerting their family.
	Isn't that the case, though?
	Like, for example, in women's tennis, that they play less.
	I'm not familiar with tennis terminology, but I do think they play less games.
	Michael, do you know this thing?
	Well, I'm an avid viewer of the WNBA, and so I think they play some number of games every year or they have they dribble a little bit.
	No, I'm talking about women's tennis.
	Oh, yeah, that one too.
	They play like two less.
	What is it?
	I forgot the terminology.
	Any tennis matches?
	Match.
	Is that it?
	No, it's sets.
	Sets.
	There's less sets or something.
	I'm confused what point you're trying to get.
	Yeah, I am too.
	Like, seriously, like, I don't know.
	Because you mentioned that you consider yourself a feminist and you said that you want equal rights for women.
	I didn't say I can.
	I said I can.
	I say I support women.
	Yeah, okay.
	I said that in the no, and I made that very clear because I'm not one to sit here and argue over or debate over a topic that I don't know so much about.
	Well, we'll switch gears away from the wage gap.
	What rights do men have that women don't?
	Can we make this a like group thing?
	We can make it a group thing.
	If only if they feel the same way as you do, then sure we can make it a group thing.
	Then anyone who feels the same way as me, feel free to speak on it.
	How are we feeling?
	What's the question?
	Well, okay, so I don't know.
	Are you a feminist?
	I am.
	Okay, so do you believe that, do women have equal rights?
	Grid 1 Motorsports donated $200.
	The owner of the woman pays himself $1.3 million a day last year.
	He loves feminism and thanks you for selling yourself.
	Feminism has failed you.
	Embrace the patriarchy which values and protects women.
	I think we've come a long way from a couple decades ago.
	However, I think there are some areas that we need to improve on.
	I see your point between the WNBA and the NBA.
	There's obviously different things.
	We can definitely move off of the sporting thing, but you said there's some areas that we can improve on or where it's not yet quite equal.
	So what are those?
	Equal pay and access to our bodies to make choices about our bodies that men should have no input in at all.
	Oh, which choices?
	Like what you dress in or, you know.
	Like pro-choice.
	So is your position no uterus, no opinion?
	It's not no uterus.
	Well, you said men should have no say, so.
	I think she meant in making it on making laws about it.
	Specifically pro-choice, pro-life.
	I think women should always have the choice because, I mean, it's their body.
	They're the ones that are giving birth to these children.
	And I understand, like, there's different situations.
	There's different situations that I can see different sides on.
	I see the sides of pro-life.
	Because you just said they're children.
	Huh?
	You just said, because sometimes when people argue for abortion, they say, it's just a zygote or it's a little clump of cells or whatever.
	You admitted the truth, which is they're children.
	Well, I'm not.
	I don't know if I'd put it in the past.
	When they bear that, it becomes a child.
	You just put it like that.
	I don't know if I'd put it like that.
	I'm not as media trained as you, so I'm not really watching my children.
	It's better not to be media trained in this regard because you're saying what you really believe, and you're totally right.
	It's not that I believe that they're children when they're in the womb.
	I think it gets a black.
	You at least thought about it.
	I think it's a white line when they become a child.
	I think it's a little blurry right now.
	And, you know, I'm open to learning more science behind it and stuff like that.
	But I do think that women should always have the right to choose.
	Even after they become children, at whatever point that is?
	Whether or not they want to carry their pregnancy and so, but so you just said, look, it kind of depends on when they actually become children.
	I'm not sure exactly.
	I think the choice depends.
	I'm not sure.
	So then all this, like the beginning and the end, none of that matters because you're saying that even when the babies are children, by my own admission, the women still should have the right to kill them.
	No, that's not what I'm saying.
	I'm saying I understand points on both sides, but I side with women that they should have the right to decide whether or not they want to carry their pregnancy to term and have their child.
	Yeah, okay.
	Well, look, at least you're honest about it, which a lot of people try to muddy up the issue, but you haven't muddied it up too much.
	Yeah, no, you haven't really.
	I don't feel like I've muddied it up at all.
	Well, you did a little bit when you changed from the child to a pregnancy, but then you came back to it again when you said, and give birth to the child.
	So I think you're pretty honest about it.
	Truth Bomb donated $200.
	Most women athletes actually make a larger percent of total revenue than the male athletes do.
	Most of the feminists' arguments are actual garbage.
	In what case do women went where?
	Because if so, I'm just not informed.
	Because they're subsidized.
	Like the WNBA is subsidized by the NBA.
	Okay.
	Okay, I don't know enough about the WNBA.
	I don't know how that's going to be.
	Because the women's sports make no money.
	They all get subsidized by the men's sports.
	Yeah, I don't know enough about that sports.
	The women's national soccer team.
	Michael's father donated $200.
	Michael's father.
	Smokey Mikey's doing great so far.
	Thank you, Dad.
	Michael Moore's father's in the chat.
	There you go.
	Can we go back to the comment before that?
	comment before that was interesting most women that which one the most women athletes actually no no no no the one before that The OnlyFans owner one.
	Oh, that he paid for the family.
	Yeah, $1.3 million a day.
	I actually appreciate OnlyFans as a platform.
	Before that, a lot of girls just sold things on Snapchat.
	So I think OnlyFans as a platform has created a very safe way to do sex.
	Why?
	I don't interrupt you.
	Well, you did a couple times, actually.
	Okay, sorry.
	Well, I was also just trying to move away.
	We stuck on the OS.
	I was just saying, I appreciate the comment because you were trying to make it a negative thing.
	I look at it as a positive thing.
	What was I trying to make a negative thing?
	No, no, no.
	That person.
	Oh, the TTS.
	I see.
	Okay.
	I just want to acknowledge their comment.
	They paid good money.
	They deserve to be acknowledged.
	Yeah, Grid One Motorsports.
	She's right.
	Thank you, man.
	Appreciate it.
	He did say feminism has failed you.
	Embrace the patriarchy.
	So thank you for bringing it.
	If you created the software and went through the coding, it needs a little updating, but you know, I appreciate the owner of OnlyFans, so he should be paid a lot.
	He owns my free cans too.
	Just so you know.
	They use a regular role.
	Oh, my God.
	Who the hell cares?
	Appreciate it.
	And I forgot who asked something about the female athletes.
	I was going to make the point.
	Someone kind of challenged the one from Truth Bomb.
	There was something about the U.S. women's national soccer team.
	If you actually broke down how they negotiated their contract, it's been a while since I saw the people made videos on this, and they did the lawsuit.
	They negotiated a very different package, which I forgot their payment was based on either the games played regardless of if they won.
	And I think the men negotiated.
	They only got paid either by games played or if they won.
	I don't recall all the details.
	Yeah, there were some differences.
	And if you actually broke it down in some ways, that women actually ended up, they were paid more than the men.
	But we do have a chat here from Kendall Weller.
	Hey, thank you, man.
	Appreciate it.
	Aliens are real, Michael.
	Aliens are just demons for libs.
	Oh, shit.
	So they're not real.
	There's no evidence that aliens exist at all.
	But people want it to be real because they want some being outside of human beings to be smart.
	I believe in aliens.
	They don't necessarily have to be super smart and whatever.
	Wait, Michael, I have a question.
	When it comes to the aliens thing, welcome to the whatever alien talk podcast.
	When you say you don't think that there's aliens, do you think that there hasn't been any actual contacts that have come here?
	But you think in this, you know, the scale of the universe is huge.
	Do you think it's possible somewhere out there that there's life?
	No.
	Like, I'm not saying it's completely impossible, but the odds of it are basically.
	Like on some, like, you know, there's 700.
	Billions, five billions of stars on the planet.
	No.
	There's no aliens.
	No, it's all fake.
	No, there's no alien.
	What about life?
	Well, I guess that's the same thing.
	Yeah, no, probably not.
	Like, because people always say this, they say, but the universe is really, really big.
	And so probability means that there's life somewhere else in the universe, but there's not.
	In order to ascertain the probability, you'd have to know anything about how life begins.
	So I think I have a pretty good idea of how life begins, you know, with like God lifting clay and creating man and breathing into him and everything.
	But the scientists, they say, well, that's not a sufficient answer.
	So I say, okay, scientists, what's your scientific answer of how life begins?
	And they say, we'll get back to you.
	They have absolutely no idea.
	So, you know, when they come up with some idea of how scientifically life begins, then you could ascertain the probability.
	But until then, it's all totally fake.
	For you.
	If I can relate this back to dating, would anyone here date an alien?
	Hell yeah, I would.
	If he was French and had a big cock.
	What?
	He has a good personality and he has a 12-inch dick.
	We could.
	12.
	She said, ooh.
	It's an alien, guys.
	It can have anything.
	Yeah.
	The measure.
	That was wild.
	I don't have your melee.
	I think that's a really beautiful thing you said.
	But like, if you're not religious, like, what?
	Yeah, no, that's why people believe in aliens now is because they're not religious, but they have all these intuitions that there are, like, spiritual beings who are intelligent, who visit us every now and again.
	And it's just a way for atheists to try to understand angels and demons.
	Interesting.
	Okay.
	And you said you used to be an atheist, correct?
	Yeah.
	For how long 10 years?
	Yeah.
	Long time.
	Yeah.
	Long time.
	Interesting.
	Interesting.
	Alien, would you get with an alien?
	Female?
	Only a female alien.
	Is she hot?
	Female alien.
	Yeah.
	She's hot, maybe.
	It's like the avatar.
	Think of avatar, I guess.
	Oh, I fuck with avatars.
	I love them.
	Avatars.
	Okay.
	Mia, would you?
	It's an avatar, yeah.
	Okay.
	Fire.
	You're into blue.
	You don't see color.
	Okay, well, I will like totally colorblind.
	Maddie?
	No, sorry.
	I like my boyfriend.
	My human boyfriend.
	My human.
	Okay.
	Let's see.
	We were talking about feminism, if I recall.
	Something about equal.
	Was it you we were talking about?
	I feel like we're tall humans.
	We're speaking.
	Equal equal rights.
	We were talking about trust.
	True spiritual things.
	No, that was a while.
	No, it was Maddie.
	I think we were talking to Maddie, and then Sophie kind of weighed in a little bit.
	I support women.
	I stand by women.
	That's a bad idea.
	That's about all.
	Okay.
	I see.
	And I said that in the comment.
	I said I'm not.
	I said I'm not an over-the-top feminist.
	I don't know everything about it, but I've supported feminism is terrible.
	It makes women miserable.
	And so to your point, you're saying, and you kind of intuit that.
	So you're saying, yeah, I'm not a feminist.
	I just support women.
	Like, I'm pro-woman.
	And that's a great answer.
	I'm literally, yeah, exactly.
	That's a great answer.
	What do you guys think of men?
	Men are great.
	In what way?
	In general.
	They're great.
	I love my men friends.
	And my family.
	Okay.
	I think that there's some good ones, but they're discarded.
	There's some good ones.
	Yeah.
	I'm not even necessarily speaking romantically here.
	Oh, and Jay.
	Yeah, I'm saying in general.
	Okay.
	There's some good ones.
	Not most.
	I just haven't had the best experience with men, so maybe I'll let the person ask.
	You can ask.
	Well, is that perhaps because of my job?
	Informed by your job, yeah.
	I had a bad experience with men as a child, way before I ever knew what OnlyFans was.
	I see what you're saying there, Cindy.
	Oh, we got Truth Bomb.
	The earth is flat.
	Wow.
	Christ is king.
	Christ is king.
	That donates $200.
	At least one of those things.
	Wow.
	No, no.
	I don't know about both those things.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Cindy.
	Christ is king, too.
	Cindy, you.
	Okay.
	Cindy, your thoughts on you like men.
	What do you think?
	What are your thoughts on men?
	I like men when they treat me well.
	Anybody, Nicolette?
	Yeah.
	I love men.
	I feel like we need men.
	They're hot.
	Men.
	They're not all hot.
	Is Michael Knowles hot?
	I'm sorry, I shouldn't have told you.
	It took a long time for her to answer.
	I understand, which is fine.
	It's okay.
	I'm not offended.
	I'm not offended.
	Whoa, what's that?
	That's devastating.
	Bro, why you got Nicolette?
	Why you got that?
	What?
	She's keeping me up.
	She's married.
	Yeah.
	No, that shocks me a lot.
	I love married men.
	And they love me too.
	You just don't like me.
	So it's not because I'm married.
	It's devastating.
	I'm sorry.
	I thought she was actually going to.
	I was setting her up for a layup to be able to do it.
	I needed to be taken to Michael's Bay.
	And I did not go.
	She wasn't feeling it.
	Mia.
	That's fine.
	What about you?
	What was the question?
	What do you think of men?
	Oh, I love men.
	Love men.
	Actually, Nicolette made me think of something interesting.
	She said she needs men.
	Going around the table, do you need men?
	I think I need men.
	Yeah, definitely.
	I do too.
	Okay.
	I think, yeah, I do think men and women were created for each other, so I do think we need them.
	It's peaceful.
	I've watched enough Red Pill podcasts where the question kind of just sends a shock down my spine.
	But do we need men?
	Yeah, we need men.
	Why do you watch Red Pill podcasts?
	Well, I'm on a Red Pill podcast.
	Well, yeah, okay.
	But why do you watch it?
	You're on it.
	But why do you watch it?
	Is it a red pill?
	Because I like to be prepared and be informed and not just come on and be like, what's going to happen?
	You know, because I can come back.
	I'm just finding my life.
	I have questions, right?
	I was in Corbin America.
	I prepared before all my meetings.
	Like, I know what to do.
	Researcher, you're from New York.
	I'm from New York.
	Wow.
	Wow.
	We're in New York.
	Wow.
	Long Island.
	That's impressive.
	Long Island.
	We're in Long Island.
	I mean, I'm not trying to dox myself.
	Oh, fair enough.
	It all makes sense.
	You still live there?
	No?
	No.
	Okay, yeah.
	I live in Arizona.
	Do we need men?
	Do we need men?
	Do you need men?
	No.
	Do we need men?
	I think they play a part in society.
	Play a part in society.
	If you had to attribute a percentage to play a part, what percentage would you have?
	At the percentage.
	Into what?
	You know, like infrastructure, you know, the grid, you know, critical infrastructure, telecommunications, waste management.
	50%.
	Electricity.
	Okay, 50%.
	Like opening jars.
	That's a big one.
	That's super helpful.
	Very helpful.
	If there was a world full of women, like just women by themselves, like we would need somebody to balance it out.
	If there's a world full of just men, we would need women to balance it out.
	Like, you know, I need like my security.
	I'm not sure if your friend agrees with it.
	She doesn't have to.
	She has her own opinions.
	And I have my idea.
	That's totally fine.
	Yeah.
	But so if you had to, if you had to attribute how much do we, you know, need men?
	They're cool to have around.
	I mean, like.
	Okay, let's say like your dad and your brother.
	I love my dad and my brother.
	You need them around.
	Like they're needed.
	Right?
	You would say?
	They're needed because they're my family.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	I've lived my life for like months without speaking to a single man besides family, and I felt no lack of anything in life.
	That is kind of dark and depressing, but okay.
	No, but I don't know.
	There are times when I don't talk to women outside of my life.
	Maybe I'll talk to like myself.
	You are probably depressed.
	No, because I talked to, I got my wife, you know, and I talked.
	And then if I hang out, like, I don't want to go hang out with women.
	So I go to a cigar bar.
	In part, I love cigars, but in part, because it's kind of like woman repellent.
	I love women.
	I love women so much.
	Women are repellent.
	But what do I, I don't, if I go out and I'm, I gain nothing from going.
	So your wife like sends you off with those just to make sure you're not around her.
	She actually would probably prefer I didn't go to the cigar bar because I reek when I get home.
	But, you know, I think, like, I'm a married guy.
	What do I gain from going to a bar with a woman?
	I don't even think I'm going to do anything, but it's the scandal that what do I, I don't need that.
	I've seen some bad bitches in a cigar lounge.
	I'm not going to lie.
	Scott Dale.
	I know.
	I'm saying like that's not real.
	He said occasionally.
	So y'all know exactly what a city is.
	We know exactly what a bad bitch is.
	You know exactly what a bad bitch is.
	Don't lie.
	You said you just saw him a cigar.
	No, he said it too.
	Oh, you didn't know.
	No, I've seen a baddie once or twice.
	Okay, he knows.
	He knows exactly what a baddie is.
	For real.
	Y'all are like, what's a bad bitch?
	Like, you know exactly what a baddie bit is.
	That's where you find the good one.
	Michael knows a baddie.
	I prefer good bitches.
	I prefer good bitches.
	I don't like the bad bitches.
	I prefer the good bitches.
	Are you dating?
	What are you talking about?
	I keep my life a mystery because I have ops.
	We love it.
	I have opposition.
	We did not just say I have an opportunity.
	I got the ops.
	He said I.
	He had like a software update when he left the table and came back with all the knowledge now.
	All the lingo.
	Yeah.
	Did you look up Atlanta when you left the table or what?
	A vocabulary.
	A vocab list?
	Yeah.
	Oh, op it.
	I thought you meant op was like an operation or an opportunity.
	No, no.
	It's an opposition.
	Opponent or opinion.
	It's like a privilege.
	It is what it is.
	Yeah.
	So the reason you don't, I thought you meant like an opportunity.
	No, no, not op as an opportunity because opposition.
	Yeah, I wouldn't have to take you down.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, I just try to keep certain things private just because.
	So are you.
	During this podcast, there's ops.
	So you can't say if you're dating or not.
	I got ops.
	That's what I consider.
	So you are.
	So you are.
	I heard that.
	I heard that.
	When did I say that?
	You said it earlier.
	Did you mean like in a hypothetical sense?
	No, you literally said my girlfriend.
	What did I say?
	I know we're saying it in a hypothetical sense.
	You know, you're telling us that we're not going to tell the truth if we come on here, but what if you're not telling the truth when you come on here?
	Who knows?
	I feel like half the time you're probably not telling me.
	What if I'm.
	Never mind.
	What?
	That would be a good idea.
	What if?
	I'm starting to think.
	Whoa, what the f?
	Rude.
	Okay.
	Rude.
	Why is that rude?
	Do we.
	Why is that rude?
	Ryan is a homosexual, is what he's saying.
	Homosexual?
	It's, you know.
	Wait, what?
	What?
	I don't know.
	Oh, Michael just.
	I'm confused.
	Just us, huh?
	I don't know.
	I just.
	Yo, you should box.
	Listen, we can delete that.
	I thought that was what you were implying.
	Rude.
	He said you're a homosexual.
	It was just a little banter.
	Okay, all right.
	That was a little banter.
	There's ops at the table.
	There's ops.
	Opposition.
	Okay.
	Do we need men, Nicolette?
	I think you're.
	Yeah, we need men.
	I don't know how to change attire.
	And I just want them to do all the manual labor.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Strong.
	Mia?
	We need men.
	Madison.
	Absolutely.
	Word.
	Very cool.
	Okay, wait.
	We have.
	Oh, a little more on the feminist thing I wanted to touch on.
	Oh, my God.
	Yo, what's up with this topic?
	You don't want to talk about feminism?
	You love people, but you hate feminism.
	We have fully, no, no, no.
	We have fully gone into this topic three separate times and then wrapped right back around to it with every other stuff.
	She's talking about feminist legal after the conversation.
	Okay, but at the beginning of the conversation, I said, I support women.
	I never said I was over the top feminist.
	I said, I support women, and I'm standing by that.
	Here, okay, well, I guess to see if there's any final thoughts from the panel on this, it sounded, I forgot if it was you or you who said that you're fighting for equal rights.
	And I was asked, I think I asked, maybe I didn't, what rights do men have that women don't?
	Silence.
	Silence says a lot.
	Yeah, I think we all agree that we don't want to be men and the life of men sucks.
	Wow, okay.
	It's not that bad.
	That's kind of nice.
	Wait, so is your position, Nicolette, that men are more oppressed than women?
	Yeah, probably.
	Like, who wants to be a man?
	That sounds like really horrible.
	What?
	I mean, I'm not far, but I feel like it'd be cool to be a guy for like a day and then be able to go to the bathroom.
	I think men are great.
	I think that, yeah.
	But you don't want to be one.
	I mean, I wasn't born.
	Yeah.
	That's great.
	Yeah.
	But people have different roads.
	Wait, maybe a show of hands.
	I would love to marry one.
	I would love to marry a man.
	Is there a patriarchy show of hands?
	Define.
	Yeah, define.
	Yeah.
	Defined.
	He said yes on the last one.
	I streamed before I got here.
	All right.
	The patriarchy wins in the end, you know.
	So, wait, question for Sophie.
	You seemed pretty.
	That was a pretty solid hand raise there.
	You're the quickest to draw.
	How do you define patriarchy?
	Into the mic, please.
	Into the mic.
	I think it's, I don't know the right word, but it prioritizes men in society and gives them kind of an advantage.
	And do you think here in the United States we have that?
	To certain degree, yes.
	so um I feel like yeah there's still some jobs that need to be equal wage for both and And I feel like, again, with the pro-choice and with the abortion things, it's like...
	Men do not have the right to get an abortion.
	I was about to say that's not really a gendered issue.
	You are really right, but they do have the right to get a woman pregnant and hands-off.
	No, no, not suit them for children.
	No, not really.
	Yes, they can.
	They can't support, but I don't think that's comparable to having to have a child.
	Yeah, they should probably force the man to get married to the woman.
	No, I don't know.
	That's why.
	Then you're just keeping yourself stuck for life.
	But just because a man gets you pregnant does not mean you're going to raise a big, happy family.
	That's not realistic.
	It might be tougher.
	It might be a trickier, but it'd be enjoying child support for years and potentially jailed.
	It's actually interesting.
	When it comes to child support, actually what we as society have determined that debtors' prisons are moral and wrong, except when it comes to, and I think, look, you should support your child, but it is interesting that the one debt that you can go to prison for typically, in a quite gendered way, only impacts men.
	Yeah, but that's good, right?
	You should go to jail if you don't pay for your children.
	But there's, look, I think you can.
	You ought to support your children, you ought to pay if you've been, now I do think there are certainly cases where the amount can be disproportionate to the man's income and there are men who are in financial straits and they actually.
	while they might very well desire to support their child just due to their own financial and economic circumstances, they can't.
	And then they wind up in the criminal justice system on just issues.
	They should be married, though.
	I think they work that out in court though.
	Normal people.
	Like, if you don't make that much money, then they're like, okay, pay $50 a month or whatever.
	Sure, it is, I think in a lot of states, it's based on your income, but there could be, there's certainly maybe some scenarios where they set the child support and the man encounters some sort of immediate economic or financial hardship.
	And then next, you know, he's missing his child support payments or can't pay the whole thing because he has, I don't know, maybe medical expenses or something, and then he's in jail and he can't pay for anything.
	I don't think so.
	I think he needs to go to court and make that be known.
	Sure, sure.
	Sure, yes.
	But you do it.
	My understanding is there's tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of men per year who do go to jail for not paying child support.
	The family courts are definitely stacked against men.
	That's for sure true.
	But also, like, men should pay for their kids, and really, they should just get married, and then it should be harder to get divorced.
	Then you don't have to deal with the courts so much.
	I have a question.
	Do you think women should have to pay child support if they make more than the man?
	And they're not married?
	Equality.
	And the man is raising the kid, not the woman?
	No.
	The woman's raising the kid.
	Oh, well, then it wouldn't be child support.
	Then it would be like alimony or something to the man.
	Right.
	But if they weren't married, then there wouldn't even be.
	You're saying the man has zero custody?
	Or is it split custody?
	It's not split custody.
	Oh, it's like 50-50?
	If the man would have to pay under those circumstances, those same exact circumstances, then yes.
	That's my opinion.
	Yeah, the whole thing, though, is just so crazy.
	You'd prefer people to be able to do that.
	I was just curious.
	We should just stay married, and we should order our laws to not encourage divorce, and we should just have them raise their kids ignored.
	Like some people need to get a divorce.
	I think divorce should be fine, and I think having children under wedlock is fine, but I think the circumstances with DCSS and the interference of if you do have issues, let's say you get evicted from your home and you're not able to afford DCSS, the child support, that's what it is, then unfortunately that circumstance is really hard.
	Processing everything with DCSS is really, really hard for a lot of families.
	Either the mom who actually has the custody or the father that doesn't.
	And it's a really unfortunate thing, and it does come into people unfortunately going to prison when circumstances actually just drastically change.
	And as well, it also affects not only the child because they obviously can't have their food, they can't have their goods that they're supposed to be supported with, but as well the mother or whoever that other parent is.
	And it's just a really hard topic as is.
	Yeah, the child support stuff is really awful.
	We're talking about depriving a kid of his school supplies or whatever.
	But the much worse thing is to deprive a child of one of his parents.
	Right?
	And so if you say like, well, divorce is no big deal and people should be able to do it.
	No, it has terrible effects on those spouses, but especially on the kids.
	It's a big deal.
	I do think vegan such extremes.
	In certain circumstances, it's like with abortion.
	It's like with abortion.
	In certain circumstances, like shit has to happen.
	Like a certain circumstance with divorce and marriage, some people need to get divorced.
	Yeah, I don't really know if that's true, but certainly it is.
	Certainly it is.
	In abusive relationships, you think a woman, just because she's married to a man in a abusive marriage or something, or a husband's beating his wife, there's always like a message.
	So in a certain circumstance, there is a good moral argument to have some kind of a separation or perhaps even a civil divorce if that were required to be affected.
	So do you agree with that?
	If a woman is getting abused, she should be able to divorce herself.
	I don't think that divorce is a sacramental reality.
	I think that marriage is eternal.
	And I think that even practically speaking, when people get a divorce, they don't really get a divorce because they're speaking to their ex-spouse all the time and they're arranging child visits and they're arranging out.
	So just as a practical matter, you are still just kind of married to this person and you have a bad marriage, which is why I would strongly discourage divorce.
	If there's a case where for the protection of a child or someone you need to have a separation, okay, I understand there are these sorts of exigencies.
	But more broadly speaking, what we're talking about in the American divorce regime is called no-fault divorce.
	And no-fault divorce is, one, a contradiction in terms.
	You can't break a contract if there's no fault of anyone.
	And two, it's horrific for children and it's horrific for the spouses.
	I like a percentage of how many no-fault divorces are.
	They're like all no-fault divorces today.
	But obviously someone's at fault.
	I think in certain scenarios it can be more beneficial to a child to be divorced than to stay together and have an unhealthy.
	I mean, my parents got divorced when I was two.
	Look, everyone's parents got divorced when they're driving.
	My parents are remarried.
	Like, they're cool.
	Everyone's.
	You don't think you've suffered bad outcomes as a result of their divorce?
	More bad outcomes seeing my family fight, yeah, than when they were separated.
	I don't know.
	That's definitely a thing that divorced parents tell children and tell society.
	I'm an adult, so that's what I'm saying.
	Right, but you were a child of divorce.
	Thank you for pointing that out.
	Yeah, thank you.
	But you're saying my parents' opinion versus my, I'm saying that as a 25-year-old adult.
	I think a lot of people tell themselves a lot of things that aren't true, but that's so funny.
	And the outcomes, the outcomes of kids of divorce on any level, when you're looking at likelihood of getting married and having a stable relationship, when you're talking about finances, when you're talking about avoiding poverty, all of these things, when you talk about being at risk of assaults, sexual and otherwise, the likelihood of that happening in a case of divorce is much, much higher than for children with married parents.
	And you might say, well, my parents don't like each other and they fight all the time.
	Yeah, okay.
	Well, having mommy and daddy at home.
	Look, first of all, they should just figure it out and have a good marriage.
	But short of that, the evil wrought by divorce is difficult to overstate.
	And also because it's the fundamental building block of society.
	It's the basic political unit.
	So you break that up and you're going to have a breakup of society, which is what we've seen.
	But if the fundamental buildup that you witness is always either abuse or neglect or emotional abuse.
	I'm not in any way defending a guy treating his wife.
	I was just saying, I'm saying it's also not just men onto women.
	It can be women onto men as well.
	But emotionally responsibility.
	I think that that's the same thing.
	I'm just saying it's not too many.
	There's situations where it is more beneficial.
	That was my whole point.
	But when we're talking about divorce in America, we're really not talking about that circumstance.
	I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but mostly...
	But you speak in just extremes.
	I think when you're...
	No, I'm speaking in the majority of cases.
	If you're talking divorce, the actual filing a divorce, yes, it's not always easy.
	If not always exactly without fault, like you're saying.
	But then separation, on the other hand, that's a much larger scale.
	More families are separated as opposed to divorce formally.
	And that is to serve the real fixing and the real comfort of saving and protecting a child or a family member or the husband or that wife.
	My family, my parents, I think they separated when I was two and a half.
	And had they been together, I would have been more abused.
	I would have been through more trauma.
	That's how I feel as well.
	For that reason.
	It can happen.
	Yeah, I'm not denying that there's, in the case of the abuse of a child or something, there is a good moral argument for some kind of a separation, even if the sacramental reality of divorce is not such.
	But again, that's now, first of all, I think you've all expressed, maybe not you as much, that divorce comes along with very bad things.
	But furthermore, what we're talking about American divorce, we're not usually talking about, in the vast majority of cases, we're not talking about women.
	I think we all agree in the sense that a child doesn't deserve divorced parents, but we all agree in the sense that women shouldn't have to stay in a relationship with a man that they're being abused in or those circumstances that aren't just for no reason.
	We just want to get a divorce and move on because we're not happy.
	Yeah, so we agree on no fault divorce.
	I agree.
	I think no woman should ever have to stay in a situation she doesn't want to be in no matter the position I would have been in.
	Or vice versa.
	Or vice versa.
	Vice versa.
	Yeah, both ways.
	Both ways.
	If a man or a woman wants to leave a relationship, they should never be trapped just because that's what the Bible says.
	The honesty of the people.
	No, just because they made it.
	They should have figured that out before they got married.
	They should have figured that out before they got married if they didn't want to be together, but sometimes shit doesn't work out like that.
	Exactly.
	And that's what I was kind of relaying was regardless of the emotional traumas or damage that might have been done.
	All in all, if somebody chooses to separate or divorce formally because there's just no pleasure, there's no fun, there's no fundamental real relationship any further, just because they have a child, mind you, that's only 18 years, then they shouldn't have to stay together.
	They should prioritize their own sense of fun over the well-being of their child.
	The well-being of the vows that they have.
	No, no, but in this case, we're talking about the power of the people.
	Their very own well-being and onto the well-being that they're expressing in front of their child.
	If I'm unhappy and I don't love my husband and I have a child and they're witnessing that, I'm just always on the other side.
	How about you put on a happy face for the good of your kid?
	Okay, so I should say, you have a child and you made a vow to stay with your husband.
	If your wife went out next week and cheated on you, would you stay with her?
	Absolutely.
	You would stay with her.
	I would not divorce my wife under any circumstances.
	You would stay with her.
	My wife would try to kill me.
	I'm not sure if she's a circumstance.
	And my wife might try to kill me.
	I don't think she'd cheat on me, but she might try to kill me.
	And under no circumstance would I divorce my wife.
	If your wife went and cheated on you.
	She could do anything.
	There's no circumstance that you would divorce my wife.
	Well, that's his very extreme belief.
	So of course he feels that way.
	It's just all of our opinions.
	Yeah, exactly.
	That's why we're never talking.
	That's why we're doing that either.
	Can I think of a couple scenarios?
	I'd prefer you didn't.
	And throw them up.
	No, no, no, no, it's not going to be anything vulgar or anything.
	Let me throw out a few scenarios and you tell me.
	And I think I know what the answer will be, but I'll do it anyways.
	She voted for Joe Biden.
	Now, listen, rules have exceptions.
	And I'm no exegete when it comes to Holy Scripture.
	And so, look, is there, I'm sure there must be some theologian somewhere who points out that if this woman has so renounced her reason.
	Checkmate.
	Yeah, then maybe in that circumstance, we ought to kick her out of the house.
	Wow.
	But I would still pause, is what I'm saying.
	What about this?
	Yeah.
	You find out.
	How long have you been together with your wife?
	Married five and a half years.
	Five and a half years.
	Okay.
	Let's say during the 2016 presidential election, she had voted for Hillary Clinton.
	Also.
	I actually don't know if she voted for Trump.
	I don't really exactly.
	No, she must have.
	I don't remember.
	She at least was tempted.
	A lot of people were kind of tempted, but, but listen, if we're talking, look, I, I assume my wife made the right choice.
	I don't, but.
	But even if not, I would say, as we were talking about earlier, the past is the past.
	As long as, because we've got to talk about penance and making right, as long as she votes for Trump several times in this election, because you know the Dems are going to be voting like five times a person.
	So as long as she goes, puts a mustache on or whatever, and she keeps cycling and votes for Trump a minimum of 12 times.
	Okay.
	I would be fine.
	Oh, my God.
	Grid one year donated $200.
	80% of divorces are initiated by women.
	A large percentage of those are because she is not happy.
	Men suffer through a divorce.
	The percentage of divorces involving abuse are very low.
	Accuracy matters.
	Can you look up the percentage involving abuse?
	But I feel like there's a lot of men that are fucked up in the head.
	You know what I mean?
	So that's why.
	That's why there's a divorce.
	And also, shouldn't they just work on the marriage?
	They're bored.
	I think that's probably most divorces.
	They're just bored.
	Look, I'm not saying, of course, abuse absolutely exists, but I think I agree with you.
	It's rare.
	It's probably most of the time.
	It's just like, what's irreconcilable differences?
	I'm bored.
	I want some new sexuality.
	When it's Paltrow, I need a conscious decoupling.
	I mean, in that case, I don't think it's right to get divorced then.
	Yeah.
	Well, then if you have kids, like, yeah, if you have kids, certainly not.
	They shouldn't be getting married in the first place.
	A commitment, though.
	But how many times do people break contracts?
	Like, that's why lawyers exist.
	People break contracts all the time.
	Breaking contracts.
	Except for this one odd circumstance when it's the fundamental social media.
	There's consequences to everything.
	Yeah, but in this case, we're saying that's no fault, no harm, no falsely later.
	But like, no, man, you know, you made a vow.
	What if it's mutual?
	Yeah, all the more so.
	No, you don't get out of lifelong vows, especially if you have kids.
	I mean, I don't, I agree with you in a sense.
	Totally.
	Totally.
	I disagree.
	She gets it.
	I don't get it.
	I disagree with you.
	Naomi definitely gets it.
	I definitely don't understand.
	She definitely gets it.
	And you have a vow to someone that you're going to spend the rest of your life with them.
	I think you owe that to them.
	But there is some circumstances where I think it's okay to get a divorce.
	Could you imagine just being absolutely miserable every day waking up with someone who you usually don't want to be together?
	Then how about you work on your attitude and make the marriage work instead of just cutting and running and the first person in trouble?
	Work on it.
	Yeah.
	No, I think if it's both people unhappy, then get that.
	My big sister felt I was alive as an embryo.
	I thank God she helped mommy out of a dark place.
	Dot talked her out of aborting me.
	I'm glad she loved me enough to tell mom what to do with her body and keep me.
	Wow.
	Awesome.
	Interesting.
	Okay.
	That is an interesting.
	Well, that's a blessing for you.
	I'm very happy you're alive, too.
	But, I mean, that's not everyone's reality.
	Right, some people were killed.
	For her, she got the reality of she lived.
	That's great.
	Right, P. Good times.
	Well, we have, we have, I'm trying to find the chat here.
	We had something from Stiffler, and I'm trying to find it, but it's, uh, let me see if I can find it in the thing.
	Hold on here just a second, folks.
	Sorry, the chat rate has been.
	Did we not, oh, here it is.
	I found it.
	We have Stiffler.
	Ask everyone to rate their looks on a scale of one to ten.
	We're going to start with Cindy.
	We're going to go around the table.
	Cindy, go ahead.
	I am ten.
	Yeah.
	Huh.
	I'm not going to.
	What?
	Your looks.
	Rate your own looks on a scale of one to ten.
	Shit, other ten.
	I don't know.
	Just say.
	We confident out here, so we're all going to say, we all going to say tens.
	Yep.
	Well, just what.
	10.
	I'm going to be realistic and just say 8.
	I always say that number.
	8's a respectable number.
	8 as well.
	I would have been tempted to say 9 or 10, but then you told me I'm a total dogface before, so I don't know.
	Now I feel like it's more like...
	Michael, say 10.
	7.
	Do you think I should say 10?
	10, 2, I'll say 10.
	We all need to have the confidence to just say we're 10.
	It's very nice.
	We're all tens of time.
	It's confidence.
	Is that what it is?
	It's confidence.
	Yeah, I wouldn't say I'm the most beautiful girl in the world.
	No, I wouldn't say that at all.
	Positive affirmation.
	I do think that confidence matters.
	But they ask us to rate ourselves.
	So our rate is a lot of fun.
	Objectively, though.
	Objectively.
	Objectively, we're all tens.
	You know, you say confidence.
	It occurs to me that's maybe not the right word.
	Hubris seems like more descriptive.
	It is the right word.
	I think confidence is.
	Hubris sounds a bit more descriptive, but don't you think it's a little bit delusional?
	I love that.
	Call yourself a 10.
	No.
	Because God gave you this.
	I'm not going to rate you guys.
	But what did you rate yourself?
	Oh, sorry.
	Excuse me.
	I did not rate myself.
	So I used to rate myself a six.
	However, I've gained a bit of weight because I stress eat.
	So I'm now a five because I got a bit of a dad bod.
	So I'm a five.
	That's kind of odd.
	That's like basically telling God you're not grateful.
	You say a five, okay.
	People don't like dad bods.
	Yeah, dad bods are in.
	Legal.
	I fuck with dad bods.
	Oh, I love him.
	Yeah, you say that, but you know, if you want to get a single package, I used to have a yellow pack.
	No more skin.
	Because he has a cap at 12.
	I know.
	I know.
	In our time, fucking kick it.
	But yeah, again, don't you guys think it's a bit delusional to you are self-aware of.
	Yeah, you got to be confident, though.
	Like, you got to not relate yourself to societal beauty standards and just know that.
	Are you able to scoot into the table a little bit?
	No, I'm so sorry.
	It's okay.
	It's all right.
	Yeah, you just have to not relate yourself to societal beauty standards and just know that.
	What's the standard then?
	I don't know.
	Big tits, big ass.
	I like that.
	Beauty is objective.
	Yeah, at the end of the day, you could think all of us are hideous.
	A-cups are dope.
	Don't get me wrong.
	A-cups are fine.
	I mean, I don't know why you gotta dig titties into this conversation.
	I think it's just the whole Kardashian BBL vibe that everyone gets like Instagram red goes for.
	I know a lot of men, like, they're like, no, I actually fucking hate that.
	but a lot of men, I mean, that's the whole internet.
	That's social media.
	If you asked me to rate you, I would say a 10 because...
	Wow.
	Come on.
	I don't know.
	I just don't feel like it's my place.
	I just feel like it's not my place to rate other people.
	And if I'm going to have to rate myself, I'm going to give myself the best grade I can.
	Wait, you said you like regionals?
	You like A-Cups and big labias?
	That's fine.
	That's I ever too.
	Well, I actually, I forgot if it was you who asked me what I like in a woman.
	Maybe we can get there, but to me, like when you mentioned the plastic surgery thing, I'm a natural body supremacist, okay?
	I prefer women without all these surgical interventions.
	I've never seen a single person.
	People say my tits are fake, do you?
	Which I respect.
	They're real or fake.
	Oh my god.
	Respectfully like.
	Can you answer her?
	So they want to be aware of that.
	Well, I'm not trying to just stare at your boobs right now.
	I'm just trying to have a conversation.
	Loose pussy energy donated $200.
	Mike, under no circumstances, a simple.
	Also, you're fucking nasty.
	Guess what?
	Oh, used up.
	Middle 304 will be on cast or end up with a bunch of people.
	Let's be polite here.
	Hashtag Abdul get the rocks Hashtag she belongs Get the rocks Abdul?
	Yeah, get the rocks.
	Get the rocks.
	All right.
	I'm at least grateful that I'm under no circumstances a simp.
	That's nice.
	Michael is nice.
	I think simps are cool.
	I love a simp.
	I like police simps.
	I like female simps.
	I think women should start simping.
	I'm a hard simply.
	If I have a man, I am a simp.
	Okay.
	I thought only a man could be a simp.
	No, that's possible.
	I've definitely simped.
	I have definitely simped.
	What?
	For whom?
	That did not even coincide.
	I'm saying when I have a man, the first date has nothing to do with my family.
	You got a simp from the get-go, Naomi.
	Yeah.
	Did you know what that was?
	Okay, so if I'm not away.
	Okay, Saiza.
	Yeah, that's literally one of my TikTok handles.
	I'm known backwards.
	Naomi.
	Anyways, so if I were to ask you on a date, right?
	Just like role play with me.
	Natural.
	If I were to ask you on a date, you would want me to be at your, on my knees, like paying for me.
	It's funny you say that, actually.
	I mean, you would want a girl to be like, I want to pay for everything.
	Michael has to simp.
	Michael might disagree with me.
	I didn't even think about it.
	I think that that doesn't make sense to me.
	Like, simp in what way?
	Like, he said, wait, so you want the girl to be dominant and ask her?
	No, not dominant.
	She still has to be feminine and submissive.
	What do you mean by simply?
	Like how she shows that she cares about you and she like fucks with you.
	Is that what you mean?
	Like she shows her affection.
	She, what?
	Like she's not afraid of that.
	No, but that's the thing.
	He said, he was correlating like having a man and being submissive and like a simp to like the first date.
	Like I don't know.
	It'd be weird.
	Paying for credit.
	I don't see how those are correlated.
	So what's your definition of a simp?
	Well, I mean, there's various definitions.
	I could give you the Webster's.
	And your head.
	What is yours?
	Somebody who like is a little, who does a little too much, who's a little too, well from the male, the male synth.
	This is what a male simp is.
	A guy who does way too much for a woman who does way too little for him.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Right.
	So like he's spending all this money, taking her out on dates, and she's a fence sitter, right?
	When it comes to me, and I don't know if all men share my thoughts on this, but I prefer women who, like, I'm not big on gameplay.
	I want a girl who is fairly upfront with her interest in me.
	It doesn't have to be like in a vulgar, overt sort of way, but I do like a woman's.
	I like a woman's undivided romantic and sexual attention immediately.
	Yeah, you're asking too much.
	That's fire.
	That's love bombing.
	That's not love bombing.
	You want her to say the woman is love bombing?
	I don't see that as love bombing.
	If I was really interested in someone, I would absolutely act that way.
	That's beautiful.
	Yeah, I'm a Pisces.
	Maybe I'm just.
	I saw your birthday.
	Oh, my God.
	I thought you were going to say, like, I know I saw your jacket or whatever.
	Oh, shit.
	Thank God there's no water.
	Oh my God.
	Oh my God.
	That would have been terrible.
	Yeah, maybe.
	For me, the definition of simp is just crushing.
	You just like, you know, I have a crush on you.
	Like, oh, that's very blasse.
	I don't think.
	Don't you have to be really enthusiastic if you simp.
	You're just like a lady.
	You can be low-key.
	You can be a low-key simp?
	I thought that was a contradiction in the term.
	I don't think you can be a low-key simp.
	Yeah, you've got to be optimistic.
	I think you can be like low-key with how you feel about a girl, but I think when you're a simp for a girl, like you're like, you're showing it.
	Why is she?
	You're like, I fucking love you.
	You're really into, really into the person, right?
	Yeah.
	And from, I think we've all had the experience of we've dated people who display a very high level of romantic interest in us.
	And some women don't like that, even if you otherwise would find the guy attractive.
	And you've also probably had the experience of guys who seem a bit aloof.
	And does he like me?
	Does he not like me?
	It's interesting to me.
	It seems like some women will be like, I want to win him over.
	And maybe some guys also have that too, where there's like the chase.
	Me personally, and I think it may very well be the case for a lot of men.
	I actually much prefer a woman who displays quite a high level of interest in me because I don't, I'm not.
	Is it because you're insecure?
	No, it's not.
	How do you come to that conclusion?
	Just because...
	Because I've...
	Because what you rated yourself, you rated yourself a five, and then you basically want a girl to love her personality is like a toy.
	And simp for you and pay for everything.
	So basically, it's just giving.
	What's it giving?
	It's just not.
	Cindy, what's it giving?
	She said it's not.
	No, but it's not giving.
	It's not giving at all.
	I'm not, like, I'm not interested.
	Also, if a girl's so into you, one thing that's important to me, a lot of people are dating multiple people at the same time.
	I'm not about that.
	If I come into your life, if you're a girl, I come into your life and I'm interested in you.
	If we go on the first date, preferably, I mean, on that first date, I strongly prefer there's no other guys in the picture.
	If you want a second date with me, if there's other guys, it has to be a rap.
	And if you were sexually involved with them while you went on the first day with me, that's a wrap from my end.
	But if you're dating...
	It's a wrap.
	What's a rap?
	Oh, like it's over.
	You mean like, that's a rap.
	It's done.
	That's like old lingo.
	Yeah.
	I thought that was Zoomer.
	I'm a boomerang.
	Yeah, it's boomer lingo.
	Yeah, so, but certainly if she's sexually involved with another guy, even on the first date, I mean, that's, I don't even want to go on a date with you, but some people aren't always forthcoming.
	If you want to go on a second date with me, all the other dudes, it's over.
	You can't be entertaining other dudes if you want to pursue it.
	You're not dating other women?
	No.
	But I date very intentionally like that.
	So when you're dating, you want to be.
	You might think that's crazy.
	No, I don't at all.
	So when you're dating, you're dating one woman at a time.
	And then when you're done with her.
	If I'm going to pursue it, if I'm going to pursue her, absolutely.
	But of course, if you're as a personality, if you go on one date with somebody and you're not that interested and you don't really want to, but if I'm going to pursue it, then yes.
	I'm not happy, but that just contradicted what you said.
	How could you expect a woman to show up to a date at your first date with you and not involved in any other relationship?
	She has to be not with you.
	Where did you guys meet?
	It's not that much.
	Did you know each other or was this like a swipe thing?
	I mean, it could be through social media.
	It could be on a dating app.
	You could meet in person.
	Because if it's a swipe thing, she might still be dating some other guy casually.
	And that's more sort of understandable, I think.
	But if she knows you, you know, you guys both play.
	You're in the Pinochle Club together and you say like, hey, Brian, I want to go get an ice cream with you or something.
	And then it'd be weird if she weren't.
	If you make your intentions clear, like this, I want to be with you and just you, I don't see a problem with that.
	But if you're just expecting a woman to stop talking to everybody else just because you don't want her to and you're not going to commit to her, I don't think that's fair.
	But yeah, I'm not particularly interested in having like a large roster of women that like that doesn't interest me.
	I'm a very busy person.
	I don't have time for that.
	I'm not interested in let's just be in a situation for three months and we're both fucking multiple other people at the same time.
	And maybe after this extended period of time, maybe we'll find ourselves in a relationship that has no interest.
	That doesn't interest me.
	Now, I would agree with you that it's probably the dating meta that most people are dating multiple people at the same time.
	Perhaps they're even sleeping with them at the same time.
	I would not want to date a woman who does that.
	And it's just.
	So for you to even take a woman out, you already know that you're going to want to date her.
	Is that what you're saying?
	Well, I mean, I think you have to get a feel for them, obviously, on the date.
	And that first date doesn't guarantee that I get a second date or that she gets a second date.
	So that's why I think you can't go into it expecting a woman to not be talking to other men.
	Well, it's not that hard to be dating one person at the same time.
	What you have happening is with it with several dates, I understand.
	But going into a first date, you can't say that.
	Well, I'll tell you this.
	I'll tell you that.
	You can't say I don't want to go into it if she's been talking or fucking any other men at all.
	You haven't even talked about it.
	I like women who are properly single.
	I like women who are properly single.
	Yeah.
	You're not of the opinion that if there's a goalie, it doesn't mean you can't.
	Well, it's interesting to me that you find that like somewhat strange, but almost every single girl here said that they're not dating anybody.
	So why is that like, why do you think that that's given that all the women, almost all the women here at this table, are not currently dating any guy, why is it somehow strange for me to want a girl who's not currently dating or sleeping with another guy?
	Because majority of women are lying about that.
	Majority of women do date multiple people at the same time.
	Until you have that conversation of like, okay, we're going to move and make this serious.
	Sarcastic, simp donated $200.
	All of you arranging daddy assumes a need to stop.
	I'll just say this.
	Look, if you're sexually involved with another man, I want nothing to do with you.
	Going into it before you ever went out on the first date.
	Yes, even if we're going on the first date.
	Do you want to make that known before you go out with them?
	I would ask a girl, are you properly single?
	Are you seeing other guys?
	Now, hopefully they don't lie to me.
	But absolutely.
	So yes, it is something I would ask them before even bothering to meet with them.
	I might give them a little more leeway if they're like going on first dates with other guys.
	Even then, that's not an ideal situation.
	I get where you're coming from.
	Like, I don't like to date.
	I don't like to have multiple situationships myself.
	So if I start talking to someone, then I'm only talking to that one person.
	And I'm completely single right now.
	Where it's like I don't talk to anybody.
	So I understand why it's like I want a property.
	I see that too, but not going into the first date.
	I think that's not realistic.
	See, to me, if you disclose to me on the first date, by the way, I'm currently having sex with another man, I'm not going to be mean, but I might be a little flustered that you've wasted my time, but I'm probably going to be like, oh, cool.
	Because I guess you would ask me, goodbye.
	I'm leaving.
	I don't want to leave.
	Right before y'all's dinner date?
	Like, why'd you go on the date with him if you're dating this other guy in a pretty serious way?
	I mean, I get that.
	Yeah.
	But what if it's not serious?
	It sounds like by what they're doing, it's kind of serious.
	Well, you look at sex is very serious in a committed reason.
	You just call it making love, or it could just be something.
	I don't know if in that case they're exactly making love.
	Correct.
	They're probably just like having.
	Yeah.
	But like, they shouldn't be doing that.
	How many girls have told you that, Brian?
	According to you.
	Like, on a first date?
	Oh, by the way, I'm like, fucking some other guy.
	Well, look, it could certainly be the case that people might not be forthcoming about that sort of thing.
	Although I like to think that generally, I mean, look, again, maybe I've been played, but I like to think that most of the women I've dated actually don't move that way.
	Yeah, because like if you're proud of her.
	Laughing because I mean she because I would never tell a guy if I was fucking another guy on a first date.
	I was gonna say, yeah, if they asked me, I would be honest, but like, but I'm not gonna like the way I'm gonna be honest too, but I'm not gonna sit there and be like, Yeah, I'm gonna go fuck someone.
	I'm gonna ask in like a very like nonchalant.
	I'm not gonna be like, You fuck another dude's, I'm gonna be like, Hey, I'm gonna like first, it's not gonna be like an immediate tell you.
	I'm last, so like, are you dating other people right now?
	Like, when's the last time you've been on a date?
	When was your last relationship?
	And that will allow me to sort of get a sense of that.
	But don't you, I don't want to think about if I'm going on a date with a girl.
	I know, it's been 100 years since I've been on dates, but I sit down.
	You don't take your wife on dates.
	No, like, I don't take my wife, but I'm not like, you know, at these dates.
	And so, I'm taking my wife on dates, which is weird.
	No, like, we go out, we do things.
	Like, it needs to be like a weekly.
	I just want to talk about dating.
	I'm not going to be able to do that.
	Now, we're like, I'm married to myself.
	Wait, stay on topic.
	We're going to have to get a fan activity you should do.
	It's like some, you know.
	Yeah, we're like this.
	We like, I don't lock her in a cage.
	He dates most of the time.
	Yeah.
	So, but like, back in the old days, if I would go on a date, I don't want to sit down and be like, so, tell me about every other dude that you've ever dated or might be dating.
	Now, I want to keep that completely out of mind.
	I don't want to think that they ever went on any date ever.
	It's just me.
	They saw me.
	They sprung into the world out of the ether and saw me and fell immediately in love.
	That's what I wanted to do.
	That's delusional right there.
	Well, no, I'm not convincing myself that it's true, but I just don't, I don't need to talk about it.
	Like, so tell me about your past relationship.
	I figured it out.
	I would be really happy.
	I want the red pill.
	I don't, because you know, there's, I guess, I guess ignorance is ballistite, but I want to know.
	That way, I can make an informed decision to say, it was nice to meet you.
	Goodbye.
	I don't want to date you.
	It's like a job interview.
	Like, so, what are your past recommendations?
	I called some of your recommendations.
	Actually, Deshaun says you're lovely.
	I agree with that.
	Women should come with references from their past partners.
	There should be a Yelp.
	There should be a Yelp for dating.
	Well, there is one for the male version.
	For human beings.
	Yeah.
	You just wear his face crazy.
	Stop it.
	Yelp.
	But by you doing that, Brian, you could be cutting off a really good opportunity.
	I could be cutting off a really good opportunity.
	Yeah, because the woman, when I first met her, after the first date, she goes and fucks the guy who she's sleeping with.
	That's a fairy.
	I thought you meant before, not afterwards.
	Well, that's.
	It could have been the night before.
	Okay, yeah, it depends on how soon before.
	But if it was like two months before was the last guy she fucked and then she went out with you, is it like a big deal that she fucked someone two months ago?
	The longer back in the past, the more pressure.
	What about you?
	But wouldn't she say the same thing for you?
	Brian's not fucking.
	Oh, shit.
	Which is good.
	Which is a good thing.
	Oh, he got defensive, but then he was like, No, but what if she really liked you, and then she was willing to, like, not fuck anyone else again?
	But she wouldn't get that chance because you're like, no.
	And also, if you're not asking straight up.
	Yeah, if you're not asking straight up, then how can you say, like, oh, you wasted my time?
	I guess it's just the communication on it.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	You should give her a written test.
	But what if it's her job?
	Yeah.
	What if it's her job?
	Like her.
	What if it's her job?
	Yeah, like she had to have sex on her.
	Yeah, like she had to go on black and like, you know what I mean?
	Like the date.
	She had to go on black.
	Yeah, like the casting was the day before.
	Because on black, that means casting.
	That's fucking disgusting.
	You're like a black guy?
	Black.
	It's like on hornhub.
	Like, you know what I mean?
	Black is a dude.
	It's possible by like eight guys.
	Like, I'm just saying, like, you know what I mean?
	Like, got it.
	Yeah.
	And I asked, so it's my fault.
	Are you okay, Cindy?
	I'm good.
	I'm just saying.
	Yeah, I. What?
	What?
	Sorry.
	I'm not used to you saying like, you I cool.
	We already ascertained at the beginning that Brian is a white supremacist.
	Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
	Did we?
	No, I remember the library.
	I'm a natural slang and shit.
	No Blackstone.
	He's not acting.
	No BBLs, no lip fillers, no labia plasty.
	No.
	I guarantee, like, if you saw it, you'd change your mind.
	Lipo?
	Saw what?
	If she's your mad woman, if the woman that you loved, like, looked at you one day and just said, I'm not confident and I have not been confident in how my vagina looks my whole entire life and I want to get a labia plasty.
	Sorry.
	It wasn't so much, I guess.
	That's one of the circumstances.
	Are you serious?
	Vote for Biden and try to get that.
	Like, seriously.
	No, as a man.
	Let me answer that.
	Let me answer that really quick.
	Let me answer that really quick.
	So if I was in a relationship with a girl and she wanted to get that procedure or, frankly, any plastic surgery that was for purely cosmetic reasons, I think we as men, you know, we are protectors and we have a duty.
	And that's not just even a physical thing.
	We have a duty to protect our girlfriends or our wives on a mental level.
	And so I believe in building up my partner.
	So I would do everything in my power to advise her not to get plastic surgery because I'm against plastic surgery.
	And I would say, you're beautiful as you are.
	You don't need to do that.
	Your eight cups are great.
	But what if she knows that?
	You're a small booty.
	What if she knows that?
	What if she's perfectly fine how she is, but literally the only thing that she wants to make her feel more confident.
	Is it the labia thing?
	Yes.
	Okay, you want to specifically talk about the labia thing?
	Yeah, I want to talk about the labia thing too.
	I like forgotten that.
	I like large labia.
	I'll say I like how it is.
	So it's a little uncomfy sometimes when it's like sitting in your panties.
	So like that was really like, well, okay, I have a whole story behind mine.
	I mean, I went celibate all of 2022 after my last breakup.
	And then I got mine done for me.
	And then I started OnlyFans, like for fun.
	I didn't plan to get it done before starting OnlyFans because I was going to start OnlyFans.
	Like I got it done and then I just decided to start OnlyFans.
	But it worked out in my favor.
	But I'm just saying like it wasn't because I was like, oh my God, I hate the way it looks.
	Like that's not the case either.
	It's just like I've heard from some women that there's there can be I suppose discomfort.
	But I think the vast majority of that procedure, it's for purely cosmetic reasons.
	Sure.
	But again, we're talking about that.
	Wait, so what's the question?
	So my wife comes to me and she wants to get a labia plasty.
	I'd be like, I like it how it is.
	I prefer it how it is.
	I would probably like it less than, you know, if you were to get it.
	She knows your opinions on it.
	She knows how you feel on it and she still wants to do it.
	You're telling me you'd leave her just because she wants you.
	Well, no, I didn't say I would leave her.
	You said you would divorce her.
	Oh, I was being facetious.
	But.
	I have a question.
	But I would try my best to counsel her.
	I'd think, tell her she's beautiful the way she is.
	I prefer her the way she is.
	And then I would say, and then I would say, well, here's how much it costs.
	Here's some of the potential risk.
	Anytime you go under anesthesia, there's potential risks there.
	You know, you could lose potentially some sensitivity.
	There's all kinds of reasons.
	Are we still talking about labia plasty?
	Yeah, it's actually great.
	It's more.
	Good talk.
	Good talk.
	Wait, we were doing the rating one to ten.
	Yeah, you can.
	No, I had one more question, though, on that topic.
	On the labia thing.
	I'm on that topic still.
	If a girl had it done before she met you and she never told you, then what?
	Then if you found out later on, would it bother you?
	I'd be like, I wish she hadn't, but I mean, it's not like anys are great too, don't get me wrong, but if a tree falls in a, if a labia falls in a forward, then no one is around.
	Look, I just, one, I don't think that we should be shaming people for their genitalia, for example.
	I don't think men should be shamed if they have a small decision.
	It's literally something some girls want to do to feel more confident.
	And I was asking her and if a woman you had already loved came to you and said, like, y'all, I've been in a relationship.
	You love this woman.
	You want to be with her.
	And she said, I want to get this done.
	I'm asking if you would stand by that and respect that.
	That's what I'm saying.
	Like, after I've made a very good faith effort to say, you don't need to, I like you.
	And she's just like committed to it.
	It's not about you.
	It's not about you.
	It's not about other men.
	It's not.
	It's about how you feel.
	On its own, I don't think it would be like I would break up with her if she like, despite it, it could potentially introduce a bit of conflict in the relationship.
	Couldn't you just tell her no?
	Just be like, no, you're not doing that.
	She'd be like, well, I'd do it.
	She's not listening to me and as the patriarch of the family.
	There's that.
	Now, I mean, there's other considerations like, is this a scenario where I'm like the provider and she wants me to pay for it?
	Because then there's other considerations.
	No, this is.
	Oh, it's her money?
	This is your girlfriend and you guys are getting married and you know you love her.
	This is the one you want to be with.
	You stood by her and she just says, let me ask you a question.
	Got to get the dress, got to get the, and this is just going to be a hypothetical, so who knows how this would play out.
	Would that be the extent of the plastic surgery that she wants?
	Like, you know, the only one?
	Yeah, because my mind.
	I'm asking if that's the only one she wants and that's the only thing that makes her feel not confident, not as confident as she could be.
	Would you stand by that?
	And just respect her.
	If you love her, you would.
	I would say.
	Yes, I would probably stay with her, but I don't think it's like that's a breakup scenario, but that's a eyebrow raise scenario.
	Because, I mean, my view on plastic surgery is I do think it can be proxy for mental illness.
	And so I'm not particularly inclined to also excessive vanity.
	How?
	Well, I mean, if you are so dissatisfied with your body, and it's, for example, breast implants, with the exception of a woman who's had breast cancer and had to have a breast removed, for example, there's no medically indicated reason to have plastic put into your chest.
	There's no medical reason to do that.
	It's purely cosmetic.
	You are so...
	What's so wrong with someone wanting to feel more confident?
	What if someone just wanted bigger boobs?
	It's, well, you are so dissatisfied with your current present appearance.
	What if they're not?
	That you're going to spend thousands of dollars.
	You're spending thousands of dollars.
	you're going under anesthesia which requires a certain risk me personally i just don't find it aesthetically i don't think it uh the look is actually not terrible but i mean touch no Not a fan of it.
	And I'm trying to think what else.
	It's just, I don't typically like women who have excessive vanity.
	I tend to prefer women who are a bit more modest.
	So, I mean.
	It is there.
	What?
	Like all the plastic surgery, the nose, the breasts, the penis, increase.
	So, yeah, it's typically.
	Is that a surgery?
	Yeah, like I said, I thought that was just in like cartoons.
	You can increase your height?
	Yeah, yeah.
	How do you increase your height?
	Your knees.
	They like something in your calves.
	Like, I don't know if I can do it.
	But it is.
	I did not know that.
	But it's very small percentages.
	It's just like a few inches because.
	It doesn't seem worth it.
	Yeah, it's a very painful surgery in recovery.
	Look, I think we as men have a duty.
	Maybe I was right.
	We as men have a duty, like I said, to protect women, not just from physical threats, but also threats of the mind.
	And in my view, society has, To some degree, when it comes to unattainable beauty standards, has compelled women to start undertaking these, quite frankly, expensive and unnecessary and dangerous plastic cosmetic surgeries, which I view are not necessary.
	And I think that is an attack on women's mind.
	Yeah, also, like, your beauty is for your spouse.
	Or I guess you're like long-term fiancé or whatever, boyfriend.
	But it's like for, it's not for you, it's not, and it's not for the public.
	I disagree with that entirely.
	I was completely single when I got my surgery done.
	Which is why, no, people misunderstand that fact, and then they start to do things because of their own vain neuroses or because they want to impress the public or whatever.
	Impress what public?
	I was working in corporate America and single, and I wasn't dating.
	Right, so I'm saying it wasn't.
	It wasn't for, you know, what if it's literally just something that you want?
	Like, what if it literally isn't that?
	Plastic surgery.
	I get what you're kind of saying, because what he's saying is, like, woman or anybody getting plastic surgery, unfortunately, it leads to more and more increase of those surgeries annually in the population getting them.
	And that leads to this dissatisfaction with many other people because they see someone that Alex Earl, for instance, she has breast implants.
	So many girls have grown kin to her and they love her and they're fans of her.
	And because she has them, all these other people not even putting her down will unfortunately say, oh, I want them too now because she's really pretty.
	I'm going to get them too.
	And it can be anybody.
	It could just be any random girl that they see on the street.
	And that's what he's saying is it unfortunately leads to this downfall where women and other people, men as well, fall into this need or desire to change their bodies just because they're seeing one other person.
	It's not just one person.
	It could be thousands and thousands of people.
	And that's what's happening is constant plastic surgery unfortunately leads to so many people wanting to do the same and changing their bodies.
	That's why we have the BBLs.
	That's why we have the Kardashians, which we spoke about.
	I connected with Joan Rivers.
	Also because you said Michelle is a little bit more.
	Yeah, I can see that.
	I just don't personally agree with the fact that it can't just be like, okay, I want this because I work on decisions.
	But why do you want to?
	Because my labias, I mean, I have big ass labias, but like they just didn't fit nice in my underwear.
	But I think that's a lot of fun.
	I think it's a much more common plastic surgery procedure, which would be breast implants, for example.
	There's no medically indicated reason to get breast implants.
	Sure.
	I mean, again, I mentioned the breast implants.
	But we were talking about labias.
	So then why would one do it?
	Because they want to change their body.
	Why do they want it?
	For themselves.
	Yeah.
	What if someone literally just wanted it?
	Ryan, you're saying they want it because they want it, but I'm just saying, like, right, what is inhaling that desire?
	I've always had a bad person.
	I've always wanted to get removed.
	That's one reason, yeah, for sure.
	But I'm happy with my body now.
	I think my boobs are great.
	But I've always wanted to have big boobs since I was a little kid.
	I'm always like, boobs.
	Like, woo.
	Okay.
	And that's exactly like that.
	And that's not to say that you can't naturally want a laby plaster or anything else.
	Of course, if you're feeling discomfort, you're feeling discomfort with your breasts.
	But all in all, unfortunately, although you don't want to admit it, you saw big boobs one time.
	Maybe your mom had big boobs.
	You don't have them at that time.
	Maybe you're 13, 14, whatever age it might have been.
	Said, oh, I want mommy's boobs.
	I did the same thing when I was younger.
	Most girls do, as do men with certain other abstracts.
	I wanted my mother's boobs.
	And I kept feeling my chest when you were in the middle of the day.
	You want your big brothers' abs or something of that sort.
	And that's where it kind of comes to.
	It's just a comparison, unfortunately.
	But it's not to say that you can't want it for yourself.
	It's not to say that you're just changing it for you.
	You can do that.
	I don't agree on that aspect that you're doing it for a man or for anybody else.
	But ultimately, it's because you saw someone else and you're comparing yourself.
	I can see how most of them are.
	I can see how most of the time people could put themselves to comparison with someone else.
	Exactly.
	So if I saw my mom's big boobs when I was younger and I compared myself, oh, I'm flat-chested.
	I really want big boobs.
	I might not still think about her breasts in comparison to me now or wherever that may be in two years after that, but regardless, because I once saw that and I made that comparison or made that little moment into my mind, unfortunately that led to this weird feeling where I always want big boobs because I've compared myself, whether it be my mom, whether it be my sister, whether it be whomever else.
	That's just how it goes.
	That's just a natural urge that a lot of women have with the breast augmentations or other augmentation that they make.
	I guess last thing on the plastic surgery thing.
	I mean, just for me, I would prefer a woman who, and I think a lot of, a lot of men feel the exact same way on this.
	I'd prefer a woman with a small upper lip than with lip filler.
	I'd prefer a woman with flat or a cup breast than big fake titties.
	I'd prefer a woman with a little belly fat than lipo belly.
	I'd prefer a woman with a small, small butt than BBL.
	I respect that.
	And also the label thing that we talked about, though.
	I like it after that long monologue of just all sorts of like disgusting physical diseases.
	You know, I respect that, Brian.
	I really do.
	I think that's not.
	I respect, I don't respect that.
	I'm sorry that you like her, and I respect that you like women how they are and without having to do anything to change that.
	That's what I respect.
	I've never met a man who says that he prefers a woman with lots of plastic surgery.
	Never once.
	I've met women who say that.
	You know what?
	The guys who like push their girlfriends to get plastic surgery.
	This is advice for women.
	That's a red flag if the dudes are pushing.
	Does that happen?
	There are guys.
	There are some guys I think.
	That's a no-no for me.
	I don't fuck with that.
	They're doing.
	But I mean, I do want to say to any of any women watching, there are plenty of men who will appreciate you for you as you are.
	You know, you don't got to undergo these very expensive and oftentimes dangerous surgeries to be, you know, to because most of the time, like, yes, that's so true and so beautifully said and everything.
	Also, just practically, most of the time, they make women look worse.
	It's not.
	That's also a good point.
	She loses your life to it a lot.
	Yeah, unfortunately.
	Good point.
	Good times.
	We have a couple more things here.
	We have, let's see, we did the rating one to ten.
	I think everybody here was pretty much a 10.
	I was going to be an 80, but then you said I should bump it up, which I appreciate.
	It's a bit.
	Not you, but the whole 10 thing.
	Okay.
	We have, oh, we got some tweets.
	We got some people's tweets.
	Let's see the tweets.
	Nicolette here.
	I always dip after my hookups, and this guy said I'm just like a man.
	Nicolette, are you dipping after your hookups?
	Yes.
	Like you, you, like, hook up, and then you're like, peace out.
	Wait.
	Oh, you know what?
	Oh, wait.
	You say you dip?
	Oh, wait, I got something for you.
	You know Usher?
	Usher?
	Peace up, Atown Down.
	Like, that's what you should.
	Next time you have one of these hookups where you get the ick, I want you to, you know that song, yeah, by Usher?
	I want you to be like, peace up, A-Town Down, baby.
	Do, do, do, A-Town.
	Is that it?
	It's peace up, A-Town Down.
	A-Town Down.
	As you're leaving.
	Okay, I'll do it next time.
	And just totally crushing a dude.
	Screen.
	I got it.
	As you leave the hookup.
	That's going to be someday your grandkids.
	You're going to be like, and then the first time my Grammy and Graham's hooked up, she did the peace up, A-Town Down, and just dipped out like both of them.
	I don't know if that's going to be my husband.
	And that's when he knew she was the one.
	Okay.
	Next tweet, Nick.
	We got some tweets.
	Men are stupid and I don't respect them.
	Hold on.
	This kind of contradicts.
	I was going through it clearly.
	Clearly.
	Clearly, Nicolette.
	Who hurts you?
	Who hurts you, Nicolette?
	I don't know.
	Okay, all right.
	She's going through it.
	She's going through it.
	All right.
	All right.
	Going to protest today, guys.
	Can't stand by and not take advantage of my white privilege.
	Please pray for me and my friends.
	Privilege, what were?
	Privilege during like the the yeah, it was big Lavia Matter Of 2020 protest?
	Oh, is the the George Floyd stuff?
	So did you like burn down any buildings or anything?
	No, it's just like steal any sneakers, or uh?
	No, just wanted to see what was going on.
	Do you have white privilege?
	I'm not even white, so I was quite.
	I wasn't gonna ask, but you don't seem.
	I look white.
	Are you Latina?
	Yeah, can't you be a wait?
	I don't know, i'm not sure.
	Now they say, you know, there's the ethnicity and the race.
	I'm not educated enough on Sicilians.
	Are the blacks of Europe?
	So i'm a little bit of bogus.
	I have family.
	That's the well, didn't?
	They used to say that about the Irish too, right?
	Yeah well, there's a thing called black Irish, but it's not like black.
	Still, Peter pale, you know?
	Yeah okay uh next nick, I hate males.
	I'm so nickel, what wtf.
	Nicolette?
	Well, I love them.
	Now, what's your name?
	What happened?
	Uh I, that was when I was still with my ex, so it's probably something about him.
	Missandri, that's like four years ago.
	Oh, my gosh, they're really going through the receipts right now.
	Mine's all my ass, so hopefully that doesn't matter, it's just my ass.
	No, I think i'm sad, like I don't ever tweet anything except my ass.
	I wouldn't date a man who didn't respect me enough to let me do what I need to pay my bills.
	Oh, we talked about this.
	I mean with the dating.
	Yeah men, ain't shit.
	Nicolette, june 17th 2020.
	Uh, what was going on in 2020?
	Probably my ex.
	I wonder what he was.
	You were talking about friendship probably, right?
	Yeah, he's not.
	He wasn't on social media.
	Yeah, that's a green flag.
	That's a green flag.
	If you're not on social media as a guy well, hands on fucking green flag.
	Oh, it's a green flag.
	It's a green flag like.
	I want to date you more if you don't have social media.
	I'm like, oh my god, that's so hot.
	Yeah, that is hot.
	We got more tweets nick, what do we got?
	If you're a man, i'm entitled to all of your money, so start sending nicolette.
	That's the pay pig thing.
	Okay, still valid, entitled to all i'll.
	I have a question for the ladies here.
	Let's say you met a guy who was you know, I don't know the simp or paypig, whatever it is, and you knew like he he didn't.
	He seemed a little off and he was communicating.
	He was sending you money, but while he was sending you this money, he communicated to you that he was uh, he was going bankrupt.
	Now would you take pause on taking his money?
	No, actually i've had this experience at the strip club where this customer that I knew for like years was literally going bankrupt.
	He told me he was going bankrupt and I was like okay well, you still need to pay me, like that's not my problem, then you shouldn't be here.
	Yeah, why are you going to the strip club after?
	I agree, but it's different, you know, like the strip club where he pays you like 10 bucks to dance or whatever, versus like it's not 10 bucks, all right, I don't know.
	And also, if you're going bankrupt, fucking run it up then.
	Well, there's a kind of a logic though.
	That's fair.
	What about the one where they send you like 10 grand on Twitter or whatever?
	Would you do that?
	The guy's going bankrupt and you'd say, give me your last $10,000.
	That's not my fault.
	If he's putting himself in that position, like to go broke just to send you money.
	Yeah, but it's like obviously an addiction, right?
	He probably likes, it's probably just fetish, like we talked about earlier.
	He wants that attention.
	So it's not your power for my attention.
	No, it's like, it's like it's none of my business or my fault.
	If the guy said, hey, I'll give you my last, I'm going bankrupt.
	I gave you my last 10 bucks to buy crack.
	Would you sell him the crack?
	The crack.
	Yeah, it's a harmful addiction that's destroying this guy's life.
	Would you like to do it?
	I don't want anyone to go broke.
	Like, I wouldn't want to take someone's last 10 grand.
	Like, if.
	But if you're pushing it on me to give it away, that's not for me to sit there and be like, no, I'm not taking this.
	You cannot take it.
	It actually is on you.
	You could say, I'm not taking the 10, if he's pushing it on me, he's pushing it on me.
	I'd be like, okay, fine.
	Give me $9,500.
	That's very generous.
	You can grab yourself.
	It's very charitable of you, Nicolette.
	All right, next tweet.
	Hate small talk.
	Wait, can you read this, Nicolette?
	Because I feel like it's got to be.
	I know this one.
	Oh, hate small talk with men.
	Just hit me up when you want to fuck BB.
	You're not a fan of small talk.
	No, because I don't care about your day.
	I don't care about your favorite color.
	I feel like you sound like a bad person.
	You sound like a girl that would get me.
	These are just guys I'm fucking, though.
	He is so romantic.
	You sound like you would get a guy purposely pregnant to trap him so he can pay you.
	Yeah.
	Because I'm going to get him pregnant.
	Yeah, like you would trap him.
	You would give him a baby.
	No.
	Just so he can be.
	No, because I could get a guy to pay me without a fucking baby.
	I don't want a baby.
	Next.
	But if he's a millionaire, if he's a billionaire, maybe I'll just marry him.
	No, not really.
	Like, I just don't need.
	We as women don't need to do all that.
	Like, I'd rather just not have the money, like, a baby or all this money with some guy that I don't actually give a shit about.
	Like, I just don't need it that bad.
	Next.
	Next.
	This guy told me, oh, read it, Nicolette.
	This guy told me I want your metal in my mouth talking about my nipple piercings, and it confirmed that I do, in fact, hate men.
	What, Nicolette?
	But he's giving you a money.
	There's a lot of man-hating in your tweets here.
	I was very angry around that time.
	Fair enough, too.
	Okay.
	But around men, like saying that stuff to me all the time, you would start with me.
	Well, that would be one.
	Like, if men wanted to suck your nipple.
	People don't usually tweet that at me, but you know, if they did, I would hate it.
	No, this was a guy I was hooking up with.
	And he literally told me, like, as we're hooking up, and I'm like, ew.
	Wait, what?
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Next.
	The next one's Stella.
	Who?
	Stella Loves?
	Stella.
	Oh, she.
	Yeah, she wasn't.
	All right, this is Cindy's.
	We got Cindy here.
	Oh, this is it.
	This guy paid me $10,000 to let me spit on him next time I'm in LA.
	Yeah.
	That's fucking disgusting.
	Okay, next.
	Oh, that's it.
	There's no more tweets.
	I thought there were some tweets from fire.
	Who else we got?
	Oh, we got something.
	We got a tweet from Maddie.
	What's ain't none of y'all my ex?
	He hits.
	Of course I tweeted that.
	I don't even use that.
	Can you make that noise again?
	No.
	So, so, so, so.
	Ah.
	That was good.
	It's true.
	I would feel so uncomfortable if I was dating a girl and I saw she tweeted that.
	That would just like forever burn.
	I literally haven't dated since him, so I mean, I don't know anything.
	You're still in love with your ex-boyfriend?
	I still love him a lot, yeah.
	I still have love for him.
	On and off.
	So could you get back together?
	Not right now.
	Why not?
	Not happening.
	You don't need to tell me why, but it's like.
	On both ends, there's reasons that it would not happen right now.
	But you still love him.
	Yeah, of course.
	I guess that's what I'm saying.
	Is this the ex who cheated with your best friend?
	Fuck no.
	This is the one I met after that one.
	Huh.
	Thank you for asking that and making that clear because I don't want everyone thinking, no.
	Yeah.
	Well, that's nice.
	I guess it'd be nice.
	Is he even famous?
	It was the ex I met when I was like graduating high school, like as a scene, like a senior in high school, graduating.
	Is he like a good guy or no?
	Yeah, he's a really good guy.
	So you should get back together.
	Not right now.
	Okay.
	Maybe in the future.
	I would love for that to happen in the future, but not right now.
	Okay.
	I feel like an excuse.
	You took your little time too, right?
	You broke up with your, but I. Wife and y'all got back to me.
	Look, it all works out in God's providence, you know, so I'm not saying, you know, it happens when it's supposed to, I guess.
	But if it were up to me, Andy and my wife would say the same thing.
	We should have gotten back together much sooner.
	And gotten married sooner and everything.
	Yeah.
	But hindsight's 2020.
	Yeah, it's just different now a little bit.
	I don't know.
	We'll see how it goes.
	Yeah.
	We have something here from Cindy.
	Perhaps a few other of you.
	Oh, Cindy, you said you'd love to talk about how it's hard to date as an OnlyFans.
	Oh, we kind of talked about that.
	My experience in LA, if you're dating people, it's that you have to meet someone in your caliber.
	Most relationship people are in.
	Wait, most relationship people are in our even real.
	Your words, not mine.
	It just turns into a lustful relationship.
	Okay.
	That didn't make a whole lot of sense, but you live in LA, right?
	I live in LA.
	Who lives in LA?
	You live in LA?
	LA, Nicolette?
	Orange County, close enough.
	Close enough.
	LA?
	No, four.
	Oh, you're in Arizona.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	And you're in LA.
	Yeah, I am.
	What about you guys are in Atlanta?
	We drove here from Atlanta a few days ago.
	We drove here from Atlanta.
	We drove 38 hours and 48 hours.
	38 hours and 48 hours.
	We were hallucinating real bad.
	Sweet.
	Right?
	Wow.
	Isn't it cheaper to just fly?
	So she's moving out here, so she had to bring her car and she wanted to friend me.
	Where are you moving to?
	San Diego.
	Oh, SD, nice.
	I like San Diego.
	That's cool.
	Did you stop in any cities on the way?
	I stopped in Dallas for the night.
	Oh, my God.
	I have a really funny story from Dallas.
	You danced with a man there.
	Oh, my God.
	I did.
	I almost let him take me out on a ski trip.
	That's that 5% right there.
	Okay.
	It was the 5%.
	It was cute, too.
	I'm sitting here.
	This guy comes up, asks Maddie to country dance.
	I don't even know what they do.
	Yeah, they're like line dancing and I'm going to die.
	Hold on, I'm like, I don't know how to dance, but you can take me out.
	I don't know.
	So this guy comes up to me.
	He looks really country as a hat on and boots.
	And he's like, you want to dance with me?
	And I'm like, I don't know how to dance.
	And he's like, I do.
	I'll teach you.
	So he picks me up and he starts spinning me around.
	We start dancing.
	I'm asking him questions.
	And I'm like, what do you do?
	We're just talking.
	I ask him how old he is.
	He's 28.
	Then he shows me his Instagram because he wants mine.
	And I see he has skiing pictures.
	So I'm like, oh, do you ski or snowboard?
	He's like, I ski.
	I was like, me too.
	He was like, when was the last time you've been?
	I was like, three weeks ago.
	Why?
	He's like, because I'm going to Breckenridge in two weeks and I want to fly you out.
	Like, I know I just met you and this is really forward, but I want to fly you out.
	You should go.
	Are you going to go?
	No, because as he said that, he spit on my face.
	People pay good money for that.
	No.
	As you said that, he is gleeking on my face.
	It's the most repulsive thing I ever heard.
	And drunk me is trying to stay interested because this man just offered to take me to Breckenridge and I love skiing.
	So I'm like, he also asked if I wanted to go too.
	I was like, I'll go.
	At least you should go.
	No, no, no.
	I'm only going because he's a fan of the girl.
	Oh, it's a pass.
	He liked her.
	So I was like, and I was there with her friend, so I got invited to go too.
	Yeah, she wouldn't be alone.
	Let's go for it.
	I used my dad as an excuse.
	I was like, my dad's really strict.
	You'll have to ask him.
	If you remember me in the morning, then I'll let you take me.
	He remembered, but.
	He did.
	Oh, good.
	But the whole.
	He spit in my face.
	That was where I was.
	It sounds like it was accidental, though.
	It was accidental, but it's still disgusting.
	And I just can't.
	Did he have like a Zen or something?
	Was he dip it?
	Yeah, was there a dip?
	Does anyone have Zin right now?
	I don't think so.
	I think it was just organics.
	I have my babe.
	I'm good.
	Okay.
	Should we smoke?
	Yes.
	That's the story, though?
	That was the story.
	Oh, Nick, can you pull up Cindy's Instagram?
	We do have to.
	I want Michael's input on this.
	So who here is religious?
	Just curious.
	I believe in God.
	Believe in God?
	Are you Christian or more just generally?
	So, I love Catholics.
	Cindy, you're Christian?
	Yeah, I believe in God.
	I see you're wearing a cross there.
	I am.
	Catholic.
	Catholic?
	Okay.
	So I was going to ask you, do you still think that I should wear a cross when I'm making my OF content?
	Well, we had a sort of viral exchange about that.
	The first thing I wanted to first bring up is your Instagram, Nick.
	If you're able to bring up her, what the hell?
	Wait, Nick, make it bigger.
	Make it bigger.
	Like, zoom it in just to the top.
	I don't need to see the photos.
	I do that.
	You got it, Nick?
	It's all good.
	Cindy Zhang, God First.
	Now, right below God First in your Instagram profile is a link to your website, which inevitably pretty much redirects essentially to your OnlyFans account where you make pornographic content.
	That's interesting to me.
	So God First, it's almost black.
	I don't know if that meets the definition of blasphemy, but literally below it is a link to your pornographic content.
	Explain that to me.
	Make that make sense.
	There's nothing wrong with the content that I make, and I don't think God is shaming me for anything that I am doing right now.
	So there's nothing wrong.
	Yeah, that's not the best answer.
	But a good answer would be...
	Like, what do you want me to say?
	Well, you might say hypocrisy is the tribute vice pays to virtue, and you believe in God, but you're kind of doing things that maybe are contrary to that, but you're kind of working on it.
	And so I wouldn't, you know, the better thing to do would be keep the necklace and give up the OnlyFans stuff.
	But the fact that you've got that reminder there is probably good because it's a reminder that we worship the things that we spend all of our time and our affection on, right?
	And so you can come to worship money and you can come to worship sex and you come to worship all sorts of false gods or you can worship the real God.
	And furthermore, you become what you worship.
	So when you worship something, you just become more like it.
	I agree with you.
	you're torn between two gods right so you're and and you're reaching two gods there's only one god Right.
	Well, they're false gods.
	They're plenty of false gods, right?
	We make false gods out of money and sex and vanity and ourselves.
	Anything that you're putting above God.
	yeah so you and you're kind of it seems to me i'm not putting anything above god God is first.
	And I pray every single day.
	I'm very blessed with my job.
	He actually blessed me with everything.
	I came from nothing, literally.
	But, you know, if you believe in God and you think that, like, you believe in, like, the Christian God.
	Yes.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Okay.
	So then, you know, you would say, well, so there's God and then there's Satan.
	What I should have said on the other podcast was that Satan is trying to sway you from believing in God.
	The question that I asked was, so I think it was, well, my question, I think the first question was, do you think God wants you making porn?
	And your answer was.
	I said, okay, the first time I said yes.
	I wanted to just change my, like, I think that there's nothing wrong with what I, what I do.
	And, um, well, the, the exchange we had, my, my follow-up question was, if God wants you to be a porn star, what do you think Satan wants?
	Satan.
	Satan wants you to sway you from believing in God's purpose.
	Okay, but your response was Satan would want you to not do porn, and God would want you to do porn.
	Yeah, my response was that.
	But like, I understand where you're saying, like, people can be lusting over porn and like sex work content.
	That's their choice.
	But what I'm doing, I'm not harming anybody.
	But the religion that you profess to believe in doesn't just boil down to, hey, don't harm anybody.
	That's just like libertarianism.
	The religion that you say that you believe in has ten commandments, the sixth of which is to not commit adultery.
	And the God that you profess to believe in says that if you look on a woman with lust, that is the same as adultery.
	And the religion that you profess to believe in has a sexual ethic that accompanies it.
	And so you might say, well, I don't believe in any of that stuff.
	I just believe in a version of that God that I've fashioned after my own preferences.
	But that gets to the very point we were just talking about, which is you're in this struggle between which God you're going to worship.
	And I can tell you're struggling with that because you protest too much.
	You put in your bio, I put God first, right among all of this kind of lusty stuff.
	And so you're struggling with it.
	A lot of people struggle with that.
	I'm not struggling with it.
	I pray every day.
	I believe you pray every day.
	And I still stand by the fact that he's blessed, like ever since I got baptized and I started following God's path.
	He's blessed me with every opportunity I have been given to me, and I'm very grateful.
	I would not like sit here and like say that he hasn't done anything for me.
	No, God's not.
	And I'm not grateful or anything like that.
	But like with the fact of like, you know, like sinning from lusting and watching, I get all that, but that's their choice at the end of the day, not mine.
	And yeah, like, I don't think God is.
	Oh, you're saying it's only a sin to look at the porn, not to produce the porn.
	I'm not making porn on my OnlyFans.
	So.
	I mean, you kind of are, aren't you?
	Like.
	Being naked is considered a sin.
	Well, it's considered porn.
	We all sin, though, every day.
	We do.
	I'm just saying, look, I'm not knocking you.
	I'm not judging you.
	I'm just saying the fact that you would have that on this page that has a bunch of porn on it.
	You say, but I put God first, to me, would imply that you are struggling between what you do.
	I'm not struggling.
	So says you.
	I'm not struggling in that.
	I'm not struggling.
	I believe in God every day.
	I bet you do to a large degree.
	But when those two things come into conflict, when you say, I believe in God, I believe in the Bible, I believe in Christianity, and God and the Bible and Christianity say, hey, don't engage in promiscuity and sexual immorality and sex outside of marriage and this, that, and the other thing.
	You have to face a choice.
	Well, do I pursue that God or the God of do as thou wilt and go have sex and go produce porn or whatever?
	Those things are going to come into conflict.
	And so you have to come to a decision.
	And you can pick one or the other, but that will become your God and you will become more like the God that you worship.
	Okay, well, I worship a God that walks on earth with grace and thank you and I feel nothing wrong with what I'm doing right now.
	Do you really not?
	So then how do you answer like the sixth commandment?
	How do I answer six?
	What is the sixth commandment?
	Thou shalt not commit adultery and more broadly speaking, sexual immorality.
	If your chosen profession is sexual immorality, how do you reconcile that with the faith?
	Okay, but still, there's nothing wrong with that.
	Even people who are...
	But the religion says there is something wrong with that.
	And you say you believe in the religion.
	So then you might say, well, I actually don't believe in the religion.
	But you just believe that.
	I do.
	I do believe in God.
	So then how do you reconcile that conflict?
	There's nothing to reconcile because...
	The religion says don't do this.
	You say I'm going to do this.
	How do you have to reconcile that?
	Or you have to say, I don't believe in the one.
	I only believe in the other.
	He's not God, you don't have to, like, justify yourself.
	I'm just saying, like, there's really nothing.
	Take time.
	Take what applies.
	Take what applies.
	Number one, drop what Edward doesn't.
	Number one, if that makes you happy, we all said, you know, make a God out of yourself and your own autonomy.
	Number two, you don't really know me.
	I'm not judging you in any way.
	I'm just asking.
	Of the information that he has based off, you know, you wear a cross while you shoot your porn.
	Okay, and you can make that judgment.
	I'm not making any judgment.
	You've made two statements, and they contradict each other.
	Right?
	You've said, I believe in God.
	I believe in the Christian religion.
	I believe in the Bible and the Ten Commandments and all the rest of it.
	And I believe that the thing that I'm doing that is explicitly prohibited by my religion is good.
	And I'm saying you can only believe one of those two things coherently because they contradict one another.
	And I'm not knocking you.
	I'm not saying you have to make an account of your life or anything.
	I actually believe you're most likely already struggling with that because you have both of those things very explicitly.
	I'm not struggling, actually.
	And it would be unusual for people in your profession to have that kind of a profession of faith at the top.
	And I think it's good that you have it, and I think it's good that you wear the cross, and I think it's good that you're praying, but you're going to have to reconcile that conflict eventually.
	I don't think I have to reconcile anything.
	I still think that God gave me this opportunity to do what I do, and I'm very happy.
	Wait, God gave you the opportunity to make pornographic content?
	Adult content.
	Oh, excuse me.
	Adult content.
	Do you wear your cross while you're making the pornographic content?
	Like, is it in the final product?
	I wear my directory where you wear it everywhere you go.
	Sure, but if you're distributing videos, you're making a video.
	It's going to, you know.
	Not am I going to take it off when I'm, like, about to.
	Right, because then you would have to acknowledge that there's a problem.
	I'll tell you.
	I wear a scapula, which is like a Catholic version of that right here.
	And if I'm going to commit a sin or something, I feel an impulse to take it off because I think, oh, it's kind of sacrilegious if I'm like committing.
	But then I think, like, well, I probably just shouldn't commit the sin, right?
	You know, and then I don't need to reconcile it.
	But it is that kind of a concept.
	And I also wear it just because I feel like I'm protected and God always is.
	It's a symbol of a broader grace from God.
	Yes, definitely.
	And there's only one God, and I don't like not doing any of that, which you're saying.
	You think that the prohibitions of sexual immorality in the Bible are just optional?
	It's not optional.
	You have to follow his path and his words and not to lie, steal, and all those stuff.
	Those are not good.
	I don't, like, I don't partake in those acts.
	But you do, like, I'm not telling tales out of school.
	You do partake in sexual immorality.
	It's your job.
	So you're saying, okay, the lying is bad.
	I'm going to follow that one.
	The stealing is bad.
	I'm going to follow that one.
	But ah, the sixth commandment, we're going to skip over that one.
	And what's the seventh one?
	Yeah, I'll do that one, that one too.
	Is that it?
	You're saying some of it's optional and some of it's mandatory?
	Or are you saying that you have a conflict and you're just trying to work it out, which is probably actually what's going on?
	I'm not, but I enjoy what I do.
	So I really don't like, I really do not think there's anything wrong with my job.
	So if the Bible says it is, that there is something wrong, then you don't believe the Bible.
	Not everything in the Bible is true.
	Everything in the Bible is true.
	Nickelodeon denoted 200.
	Not everything is.
	You say you pray all the time, but you forget the important part, listening.
	Maybe God brought you here to realize the mistakes you're making and change.
	Instead, you get defensive and don't listen.
	Hey, Nickelodeon, thank you for the TTS.
	Thank you for the TTS.
	Well, if you guys want to continue on, I mean, I think you're actually making a very interesting point.
	I mean, Cindy, did you want to respond?
	Michael was saying that, well, if the Bible says Acts, but it sounds like you don't believe in, I don't want to.
	If you want to restate your point, I should say.
	Sure.
	You're saying that.
	I don't have a conflict here.
	I don't think anything that I'm doing is wrong.
	But the Bible says that the thing you're doing is wrong.
	And so, again, I'm not thumping on the Bible here.
	I'm just trying to make sense of the two things you've said that contradict one another.
	Okay.
	Me partaking in adult content is contradicting what the Bible says about sexual immorality.
	Sexual immorality.
	Okay.
	Or, you know, the woman at the well, or, you know, any number of books of the Old Testament, right?
	So I just feel like even like people who are a prostitute, like whatever, like in sexual content, they're really not doing anything wrong.
	Like at the end of the day, but Christianity says they are.
	And Christianity says you're welcome to come in and you are afforded the grace of God and you can have redemption.
	But Christianity also says go forth and sin no more.
	So is her choice to then reject the religion?
	Well, I wouldn't recommend that.
	Okay.
	I would recommend keeping your faith.
	Do you think that God loves everyone?
	Okay, so.
	But God loves you too much to keep you as you are, is the reality of it.
	And so I'm not suggesting you abandon your faith at all.
	I'm suggesting you abandon the things that you're doing that contradict your professed faith because otherwise you won't actually have your faith.
	You'll have deluded yourself into telling yourself you believe in this religion when you consciously reject important parts of it.
	Well, there's a lot of important parts of leaving a religion.
	Yeah.
	Are you Christian or Catholic?
	Well, you know, believe it or not, Catholics are Christian.
	Some would call us the original and perhaps exclusive.
	I was just asking for clarification.
	No, you're right.
	I'm a little sassy.
	I get a little defensive, but I'm not even religious, but I was just getting clarification.
	Can we at least Cindy, what do you think about this proposal, right?
	Okay.
	Can you at least, I'm not going to even ask you to remove the link or the God first.
	At least put like two spaces in between.
	Like maybe put like, I'm in Los Angeles.
	You know, like put like a, here's like a location pin.
	I'm in LA.
	Only God can judge her.
	Okay.
	And then maybe, like, another line, which is, like, I don't know.
	I'm – I barely know you.
	I like that.
	Why are you asking me?
	I like that it's there.
	I'm big into it.
	I like that it's there.
	And I like that you wear the cross because it's a reminder.
	And you said, well, if I'm doing a thing that's bad, maybe I'd be tempted to take the cross off, but I'm not going to take it off.
	I like wearing it.
	It's a symbol of God's grace.
	And that's all true.
	But then the symbol should act on you.
	Maybe two lines is all I'm asking.
	Two lines.
	Located in Los Angeles.
	Can we look at your Instagram?
	What does your Instagram look like?
	Look at this.
	It's really not that interesting.
	Maybe, I mean, we could pull it up if you want.
	That's fine.
	And maybe, like, you're in a quarter of a year.
	I don't know why you're judging my astrology.
	Oh, look at that.
	Okay, founder of Big Labia Matter, founder of NOTA.org, live in Santa Barbara, and then a link to my whatever.com.
	Yeah, dear.
	You don't like the beard one?
	Yeah, I like the other one.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Brian Bin Atlas or something.
	Yeah, there you go.
	I never will grow a beard that long again, but it was a period of, I was going through exploratory.
	You were considering becoming an Eastern Orthodox priest.
	Pretty much, exactly.
	It looks like Dan Black.
	Michael, can I ask me some questions?
	You can.
	Do you think that being in the Christian religion relies more on following the rules of the Bible or having a personal and close relationship with God?
	I don't see a difference between the two.
	Really?
	Yeah, because our faith is incarnational.
	So our Lord comes down and is born on Christmas and lives for 33 years and goes through his passion and is crucified, died and buried, and on the third day he rises again and he roams the earth for 40 days and ascends to God the Father in heaven.
	And so he leaves on earth a physical expression of his body, which is the church.
	And he says to St. Peter, you are now Peter, Simon, and on this rock I'll build my church and the gates of hell will not prevail against it.
	I give you the keys to the kingdom of heaven.
	What you bind on earth will be bound in heaven.
	What you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.
	You have the power to forgive sins.
	Whose sins you forgive or forgive and whose sins you retain or retain.
	And so he says, when you meet, you know, this is my body, which will be given up for you.
	This wine is my blood, which will be given up for you.
	And consume this in memory of me, a living sacrifice.
	So he institutes all these sacraments, confession, the Eucharist.
	He institutes a physical church with real people.
	And so God's grace and his relation to us has a physical form.
	It's not just like floating in the ether.
	And the physical form of that is the church that has endured throughout the ages against which the gates of hell will not prevail.
	What would you say to the 20-year-old Michael that was watching porn?
	I would say, there were a lot worse things probably that 20-year-old Michael was engaging in.
	And I would say, cut it out.
	I have another question for you.
	Do you feel like as time has gone on and new concepts and new words have been created and the Bible has been translated over and over again, do you feel like the Bible today is God's original word for us?
	Yeah, I think it's inerrant, and I think that the church is preserved from error, you know, in dogmatic teachings by a divine grace because our Lord says, I will never leave the church.
	I will be with you even until the end of the age, and I will send the paraclete, I'll send the Holy Spirit down to the church.
	And so, yeah, I know it's really odd because institutions decay and change over time.
	The translation thing is not as big an issue.
	I mean, if you, I go to a traditional Latin Mass, and so we use the Latin vulgate.
	And so that, you know, St. Jerome translated that one.
	It goes back pretty far.
	But, you know, Hilaire Belloc had a good line, which is, he said, I have to believe that the Catholic Church is divinely instituted by my faith.
	But for those who don't believe, a proof of its divine institution is that no other institution conducted with such knavish imbecility would have lasted a fortnight.
	So actually the fact that so many leaders of the church have just been incompetent and done bad things, and the fact that the faith remains, this is the most enduring institution ever in the history of the world, 2,000 years.
	It's just, it boggles the mind that this thing still exists.
	It seems to me a good sign that actually the church is preserved from error, at least in the long run.
	How do you feel about the Catholic Church removing several books from the Bible?
	You're confusing that with the Protestants, I think.
	The Protestants removed.
	I could be wrong.
	One was called the Book of Jubilee.
	I think another one.
	Oh, so the Catholic Church codifies the Bible, right?
	The canon of the Bible.
	It's not like that existed before the church.
	The canon of the Bible is, many books of the Bible are written obviously after the resurrection.
	And so there are all these different books out there.
	And some books seem legit, and some books don't seem legit.
	So there's a book like The Heretical Gospel of Thomas, which if you've ever read it, it's pretty wacky.
	And that book is not included in the canon of the Bible.
	But the reason for that is that the church, in her wisdom, comes together in ecumenical councils and codifies the Bible very early on in antiquity and excludes certain books.
	Obviously, you're not going to include every book in the Bible and includes others.
	And so I think, having read some of the books that were excluded, that the church acted with great wisdom.
	But how do you know if sinful men and a church of this world are the Israelites?
	It is not deleted.
	It's a church that you must believe has a divine protection to preserve her from error.
	Or she's just not the church.
	So this church basically has the decision of God to delete these books.
	Yeah, the church has the ability.
	Well, not to, the books were never there to delete, right?
	The church assembles the canon of the Bible and includes certain books and excludes other books.
	It also, you know, it doesn't include the Egyptian Book of the Dead either, but there are plenty of books that wouldn't include that.
	So the Bible was made by man then.
	It was their decision to include some books and delete some books.
	No, it didn't delete anything.
	The Bible was, I mean, certain, like, Protestant reformers later on erased books of the Bible, but the Bible was put together by the Holy Catholic Church.
	So there was no deletion going on, but there was an assembly of the Bible with all of these books.
	And yes, it was done by man because our Lord becomes man.
	He is fully God, but he takes on flesh and he institutes a church made up of men who have their own failings but who have received a divine protection if you believe what our Lord says.
	It's a divine intervention.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	I respect that opinion.
	I disagree, but I respect that.
	Something to mull on.
	We can discuss it over the cigar when we're all having cigars after the show.
	I would disagree too.
	I disagree with you.
	Yeah.
	What would you disagree with?
	I think I'm more.
	I think, I'm sorry.
	I think religion is very, it can be a very toxic thing.
	I think it's a very important thing.
	If it's false, it certainly can, yeah.
	Not necessarily if it's false.
	I think men are sinners and putting together groups of sinners, obviously it's going to have disagreements and fallbacks and things that not everyone is going to agree on and people are going to come at other people.
	But I think at the end of the day, it's been, I don't deny that there is a God, but I think there's been thousands of years and thousands of years in different interpretations of the Bible.
	And even within my 16 years of church and Christian school, I would go back and translate these texts.
	And even if it's like small things, I've seen some small disciples.
	You would translate like the Greek and Hebrew of the Bible.
	To the best of my abilities, yeah, to the best of my abilities.
	It's very impressive.
	I don't have ancient Greek and ancient Hebrew.
	I don't have that.
	I barely speak Italian at all.
	It's just as far back as I could translate it.
	used to be very interested in the Bible and I think just...
	What do you mean as far back as you could translate it?
	Like as far back as humans have the capability to translate the most ancient texts that were able to translate.
	The Septuagint, for instance.
	I'm just very impressed.
	There are very few people who have worshiped.
	It was shortly after I came out as lesbian, and it was when I was getting a lot of pushback from my school.
	I actually got kicked out of my private school for it.
	So it was something that me and my old stepmom used to do.
	She was like, if you're really sinning, then this is something we're going to sit down and figure out together.
	And we sat down and translated every Bible verse to the best of our ability that had the word homosexual.
	And homosexual wasn't even a word.
	It said, no man shall lay with a boy.
	That's what it was talking about in a lot of those verses.
	So I think a lot of people.
	But I don't think that's really true, but St. Paul also mentions that.
	Well, that's just my personal opinion and my research to the best of my abilities.
	It was a few years ago, and maybe I'd come to a different conclusion now.
	But the question is one of authority.
	So you're saying, well, look, I went back and to the best of my command of ancient Greek and Hebrew, I translated these books of the Bible.
	And I think that's a good exercise.
	My friend Drew Clavin learned ancient Greek to read the Gospel of John like five years ago.
	But if I had to trust your translation or say St. Jerome or somebody, I'd probably go not only with St. Jerome, but then it gets to a question of authority.
	Who has the ultimate authority?
	Who has the keys to the kingdom of heaven?
	St. Peter and his successors in the Holy Catholic Church?
	Or you or me?
	I think I have slightly different opinions because when I was Christian, it was non-denominational Christian.
	So I do think with my own relationship with God, I'm more spiritual, less religious.
	But I do feel like my relationship with God has more to do with just talking to him in the daily and knowing what is for good and what is not and knowing that he's going to drive me to do what is good and telling me.
	But the imagination of man's heart is inclined to evil from his youth.
	So, you know, I think it's great to pray and have personal prayer.
	I engage in personal prayer.
	But the term spiritual but not religious, that is the description of a demon.
	Because religion is the habit of virtue that inclines the will to give to God the worship he deserves.
	So you have to do that.
	But you don't have to read the Bible and go to church every Sunday to believe in God.
	No, you don't.
	But if you do believe in God and you believe in the Christian religion, then you would also do that.
	I think it just has to do with different opinions between us.
	I see your point.
	But I think my personal opinion is I think the Bible is not, I think it's reliable, but I do not think it's 100% the same way that Gandhi intended it to be.
	Why not?
	Why do you even think it's reliable?
	Because, you know, it has a lot of questions of morals and stuff like that and just basic goodness.
	But, I mean, it can be taken as a lot of the stories as a fairy tale, and it's kind of up to you to determine what God meant as, you know.
	Well, there aren't any fairy tales.
	There are like parables and there are ways to do that.
	Yeah, what God means literally and what God means not literally.
	And I think through a lot of translations, literal meanings and literal meanings of the text.
	I mean literally, as in how he used parables to express stories.
	The issue is, though, I'm being a little cheeky about it, but the word literal refers to letters which are symbols.
	And so, you know, we're talking about a faith where the second person of the Trinity, it's a bit cheeky.
	But we're talking about a faith.
	You call spiritual people a demon.
	No, I'm not confusing our hearts.
	I'm not saying spiritual people are demons.
	I'm saying that spiritual but not religious is a description of the demonic.
	Because demons are spirits that don't worship God, and religion is too much.
	I'm sorry, I missed the rest of the conversation, but what if you do believe in God, but you're not tied to one specific religion?
	Well, then which God are you worshiping?
	Whatever God it is.
	Well, religion will provide the answer to that question one way or the other.
	But you can't worship all of them at the same time.
	So religion does constrict certain things, as a lot of people today would say, well, I don't want it to constrict certain things.
	But poems need limits in order to be beautiful.
	Countries need borders in order to be a country.
	And if you worship one God, that means you are excluding other gods from your worship, which means you're picking one religion over the other, whether you like it or not.
	But God himself is not a religion.
	And I don't know what you're saying.
	No, religion is worshiping God the way that he deserves.
	That's the basic meaning of religion.
	Yeah, I am.
	You did say one thing.
	But I am worshiping it, worshiping it.
	Wait, you did say one thing about how men sin.
	Do you mean only men sin?
	I was just a little bit of a drink.
	I think it was mankind.
	Oh, mankind.
	I meant mankind.
	I see.
	Okay, okay, okay.
	The gender-neutral man.
	I see.
	We actually have a clip related to this, then we do have to wrap up here pretty soon in hopefully a couple minutes.
	Nick, this is somewhat related to the religious talk.
	Nicolette, you had a back and forth with Chase about how you do porn, but you're still a Christian.
	Were those your words?
	Something like that.
	Something like that.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	So you're a Christian, woman.
	Yeah, you certainly can be.
	I am.
	Sorry.
	I'm just like.
	I'm tired.
	Yeah.
	You certainly can't.
	Yeah, I am.
	Like it's, if you're, you know, Christians sin.
	Yeah.
	But you wouldn't want to like try to say it's a virtue.
	All people sin.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Like, sin is a thing since day one, since Adam and Eve all since the sins.
	Like day two.
	Day two.
	Okay, yeah.
	When you get technical, yeah.
	For me, sin is sin, and I was raised up with the beliefs that God sees all sin on the same level, and that sin is sin.
	But that's not biblical.
	Wait, Nick, the video is in the Dropbox podcast video service.
	But I do believe that every religion has their consequences, right?
	If you lie, if you steal, there's zero consequences.
	Not good.
	You know, karma is not.
	But sometimes karma is totally fake.
	Karma is real.
	At the end of the day, everybody sins, and not one person is perfect.
	Why do you think karma is not real?
	Because the rain falls on the just and the unjust alike, and we lament often in our lives that the evil flourish and the good suffer.
	So it's not just, you know, what you're describing is a false religion of the self, which says that I'm not.
	So you don't believe that when you do bad to other people, bad isn't come.
	I think that when you sin, it has both eternal and temporal effects that it unleashes.
	And I agree that sinners often get their comeuppance, but they don't always get their comeuppance.
	And the most virtuous people in the world suffer sometimes more than any other.
	You know what?
	Like, I also do what I do because it's just a lot safer.
	When I used to work for a part-time job as a hostess, I would get harassed either by my boss or people, customers.
	I think my job is safe.
	I'm not in, like, I don't have to meet up with these people.
	Everything is just online.
	It might be, maybe it's, I mean, some of us would maybe disagree that it's safer because there's like the stalkers and all that kind of stuff.
	I don't have, like, I mean, I know stalkers are real.
	But regardless, there are safe things you can do that are not preferable or not ideal.
	Do we have a clip?
	Let's clip.
	We'll read a couple chats and one more thing and then we'll try to wrap here.
	Okay, you can play it.
	If any young women are watching, please do not model your lifestyle after her.
	Thank you very much.
	And that's from the Christian man.
	Yes, I'm looking out for you young ladies.
	I'm not judging you.
	That's fine.
	But if you ever want to get married, there's a lot of young girls out there who want to get married someday.
	Pictures of yourself doing sexual things are all over the internet.
	Your husband and your kids will not appreciate that.
	What are your kids going to think of this?
	I think Norman Western is doing just fine.
	Of course.
	Yeah, she's living her life.
	Kanye's.
	Yeah, she's doing great with her mom.
	I mean, given the option between a mom who has porn on the internet versus one who doesn't have porn on the internet, I would prefer if all of my friends couldn't see my mom fucking other dudes and sucking their dicks.
	I still consider myself a Christian.
	I still consider myself a Christian.
	I believe that Jesus died on the cross for my sins, and I'm not a fucking judgmental person like you.
	Where was all this smoke?
	We needed more of the smoke tonight, Nicolette.
	Well, I'll just say that Chase is a fucking hypocrite.
	After that podcast, he literally admitted that he watches porn.
	Did what?
	Oh, if I'm going to hear that.
	This is not fair.
	Chase is not here to defend.
	I will not allow this hearsay.
	You just asked for the smoke.
	She brought the smoke straight up real quick.
	Can you say the last line again?
	Yes, I said, if I'm going to hell, then I will see Chase there.
	Neither of you need to go to hell.
	You know, I had hearsay.
	Let me strike that from the record.
	Strictly unfair.
	Very unfair.
	Very unfair.
	Chase is not here to defend.
	All right, wow.
	Okay, she does not.
	All right.
	I'm awake.
	Would you date, Chase?
	No.
	I don't like white guys.
	I thought you said you had all that white privilege.
	That's why you want to get rid of the white privilege.
	Which do you prefer?
	I like Hispanic guys.
	Oh.
	They can be white, though, we determined.
	There's race, ethnicity.
	It's all very confusing.
	All right, we have a chat here from our friend Nivek.
	Michael, you started me on the road to cross the Tiber, and Saint Justin's writings brought me all the way home.
	Other than the Blessed Mother, who's your favorite saint in general?
	I'm very partial to the Thomases because when I was 13, I picked, I was getting confirmed, but I was an atheist, and my mother told me I was going through a phase and I should get confirmed anyway, and she was right.
	So I picked Thomas because Thomas was the doubting saint, even though he, that's like not totally fair to him.
	But I also can't remember if I picked him or Thomas Aquinas because I didn't really know the difference.
	But Thomas means twin.
	So it was perhaps providential.
	Give you two answers for one question.
	All right.
	Do you feel like that sacrament then is like no?
	Because the sacrament's not contingent on just like my feels.
	You know, the sacrament, if you really believe in sacraments, meaning the physical and the metaphysical, right?
	So I think, yeah, even if I'm being a jerk during it, I think it counts.
	The thought of you not wanting to do it, though, in that moment, it just kind of sounds contradictory to me.
	No, it really, I think, gives glory to God that the sacraments rest mostly on his grace and not on our efforts.
	That's right, Naomi.
	Interesting.
	That's right.
	I'm also confirmed.
	At least in my view, what'd you say?
	I'm also confirmed.
	I wanted to be confirmed.
	All right.
	Hey, here I am.
	This is a largely Catholic panel.
	Well, cool, man.
	I love that.
	We've got Nickelodeon here.
	They use your removed genital skin for skin grafts.
	My brother was born with no eyelids, so they used...
	Hold on.
	They used his foreskin to create eyelids.
	It came out okay.
	He was a little cockeyed.
	It's good.
	I like it.
	Thank you, Nickelodeon.
	Sorry, it took us a while to get to it.
	We have Curtis.
	Oh, that's good.
	That's good.
	Yeah, I liked it.
	Curtis Leone, Brian, there are a lot of tents today.
	Pull out the makeup remover.
	Who is worthy of taking the challenge, Brian?
	When are you going to start having the whatever OnlyFans After show?
	Real raw and uncut.
	I saw how you pulled out a makeup remover.
	You want to wipe off my makeup remote?
	We do have some Neutrogena.
	I would love to take my makeup off.
	I'm like sweating.
	Yeah, I will too.
	Do you have sweatpants too?
	Seriously.
	Maybe a button while we're at it.
	Yeah, like a sandwich I could eat.
	Why don't we like, why don't we do the makeup remover test?
	Oh, and a hair tie.
	Do you guys actually want to do this, Cindy?
	You want?
	Yeah, I do, but I don't want to.
	I'm very particular about my makeup.
	Or we could just try to get through the skin.
	Otherwise, I wouldn't have to.
	Wait, let's ask the chat.
	Chat, do you guys want to?
	Should we do it?
	Yeah, can I?
	Should we do it?
	Chat, do we have them take their makeup off?
	If not, I'm doing it when I leave.
	One in the chat.
	One in the chat if you want them to take it off, two if in the chat, if it's just like, I don't want to.
	I use Korean skin.
	Disruptive to the show.
	That's going to happen.
	I do show.
	Remove your implants.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	So who wants one?
	Me.
	I can't use it.
	I'll break out.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	I'm going to.
	I'm very particular about my skincare.
	Is it just me and Sophia?
	Sweet.
	I saw Korean skin.
	Unless you have like Koreans literally carrying me out.
	Shannon that you echoes, Michael, you should have eaten 11 hours ago.
	No, it's okay.
	Brian got me a chicken thing.
	A chicken thing.
	I'm not starving.
	Thank you, though.
	All right.
	There we go.
	Let's see.
	Oh, my.
	Okay.
	We have.
	What was the last thing we had to do?
	Oh, the last thing was just, does body count matter?
	If it matters to you, then that's awesome.
	But for a yanta, okay, so I don't want a guy that's ran through.
	You know, like a homosexuality.
	A guy that's ran through.
	What do you mean?
	Meaning like a guy on a body that's going to have a lot of girls.
	Oh, yeah.
	Okay.
	Not that he himself.
	But I do prefer a guy with experience.
	By the way, when you guys are, can you hold the wipes up to the.
	So we're like one cheek in right now.
	Wow.
	That's.
	Wow, that's a lot of paint.
	That's like me after my show every day.
	Listen, I'm not above it.
	They cake me.
	Really?
	You've got, I mean, I'm up close.
	You've got flawless skin.
	Stop it.
	You know.
	That's the olive oil.
	You don't need it.
	Okay.
	Do you have makeup on right now?
	Body count?
	I probably still have some from my show, but not.
	Body count.
	Do you object to men caring about a woman's body count?
	A lot of women say, well, that's, you shouldn't care.
	That's insecure.
	I don't.
	Wouldn't you want a woman who's sexually experienced?
	I think that the guy who is going to want to end up with me in the end is going to be upset if I've obviously fucked a bunch of other guys that aren't him, and I think that's his own right.
	Okay.
	Do a little show.
	I'm not taking my mascara off because that's going to be too much.
	Oh, that's fine.
	All right, ladies and gentlemen, that is the damage.
	Okay.
	Nicolette, body count?
	What's the question?
	Does it matter?
	Yeah.
	Do you object to men caring about body count?
	I think it's fucking stupid if they care.
	Oh my God.
	But you also hate men.
	No, not anymore.
	I'm a changed woman.
	She used to.
	Until she starts tweeting later tonight.
	Yeah, until after this.
	So, okay, it's fucking stupid.
	Why?
	Why is it stupid?
	Are they insecure?
	Are men insecure if they don't want to be with a woman with a high body count?
	Is that it?
	I mean, that's their preference.
	Okay, sure.
	But I don't care about a guy's body count.
	So, like, he shouldn't care about mine.
	Okay.
	Mia Huffman.
	What about you?
	I've never really been asked, like, by a partner, by like somebody I'm dating, but I don't think it matters necessarily.
	But I also think just respect yourself.
	That's really all it is.
	Respect yourself.
	I love your camera.
	It's so cute.
	That's the straight up.
	We should have done a time-lapse of the makeup remote.
	It's all good.
	Okay.
	I think we're done.
	Cool.
	Here's the front.
	Here's the back.
	She's with and with my fast makeup routine.
	It's not that bad.
	No.
	Beautiful.
	It's beautiful.
	Okay.
	Do I look different?
	Straight up answer.
	Do I look different without makeup?
	A little bit.
	A little bit.
	Not a lot.
	A little bit.
	It's, you know, it's still, you know.
	It's good.
	It's good.
	Okay.
	It's great.
	Looking great.
	So, like, it's not like it's not in a bad way.
	It's not in a bad way.
	Do you think that girls wear makeup to show off for guys?
	Yes.
	Yep.
	No.
	Yep.
	No.
	Like, I wear makeup to feel confident.
	I'm not going to be gaslit by you.
	I'm not gaslighting.
	I'm just saying girls.
	Girls don't wear makeup to just to girls will do a whole face of makeup to get in the shower just because it's fun.
	That's actually brand new.
	I think that when I wake up in the morning and I put on makeup, that is the most brain dead 10 times.
	Why would you just think girls function better?
	Like, seriously, girls function better throughout the day when they think they look better.
	They function better.
	When they get more done if they think that they look better, that's so fast.
	But using her, you say they function better.
	So a woman's capacity.
	Accomplish more.
	Don't hold too much up to function words.
	A woman's capacity to enter a shower is improved if she's wearing a full face of supernatural.
	Nobody, have you ever heard of a pre-shower makeup routine?
	That is really just for fun.
	Just for fun.
	And like girls will just do each other's makeup to go nowhere.
	Maybe afterwards we figure out somewhere to go because we look good as shit.
	It's just like a thing that like I get more done when I think I look better.
	Like I'm like if I look good, I'm gonna get more shit done.
	Also just girlhood.
	You know how excited I get going into Sephora and just looking at shit.
	No, it's something that y'all will never understand.
	Y'all never get yawn.
	Salesbird.
	I like SOS.
	I like it.
	How long and well they've done.
	I think it's a psyop.
	What's a psyop?
	You've got the you have the beauty cosmetic industrial complex, which is like a many, many times over billion dollar industry.
	Sephora is like the Raytheon of this, right?
	Huh?
	A side ob.
	That's what you're saying.
	Well, I'm Psyop.
	Psyop.
	Psyop.
	Oh, I think so.
	Let me ask you guys a question.
	Imagine this.
	Think of all the, you know, how much time does it take you guys to put on the typical makeup?
	Like on that?
	15 minutes, 30, 15, 30 minutes.
	Okay, how much do you guys spend on makeup in a year?
	Oh, God.
	I don't know.
	Not too much.
	I don't wear that.
	I don't wear makeup every day, but I feel like if I do wear makeup, I get maybe like a grand or two.
	200 every month.
	If all makeup could just poof, disappear, and no women could wear makeup.
	It just totally levels the playing field.
	Would you opt for that or continue with the current, what's it called?
	The current status quo?
	It depends who I'm looking at.
	I personally think makeup is fun, but if I'm looking at it like looking at my little sister, I'm like, you never need makeup.
	I'll never want that for you.
	Like, I think you're beautiful the way you are, but I personally think it's fun, and I personally like getting new makeup products, and I personally enjoy doing my makeup.
	It's just a girly, like, it's just girly, like, self-care, a little bit more.
	Your face paint.
	Yes, it is fun.
	A lot of natural body supremacy.
	But I feel like as a little girl, I've always been into makeup.
	Yeah, I mean, we grew up in the generation of watching all the makeup artists on YouTube, like, do makeup and post about it.
	Like, we just grew up in that shit.
	Yeah, plus, if you like differences between the sexes, like, yeah, I want girls to do, like, girly stuff, you know, because I assume you guys get together.
	It's like, we're not going to get together, drink some beers, and go watch a gate.
	Like, no, like, we're going to do it.
	Get on the makeup, you do the pillow fights.
	You do, of course.
	Like, yeah, come on.
	Like, the whole sleepover vibes.
	Again, I'm a natural body supremacist.
	Look, a little bit I'm not going to object to, but I do prefer women who wear minimal or no makeup, a little highline or whatever.
	But, like, when it's coming off on makeup wise and you've changed the color of the makeup wipe, I mean, and great, look, I'm again, you've got your skin isn't this color.
	No, but no, but you've been invited.
	Obviously, I recognize you've been invited on a video production where there's perhaps a greater likelihood that you're going to perhaps put on a bit more makeup than you otherwise would.
	But I'm not a fan of makeup.
	That's fine because I prefer men who wear makeup.
	But like black liner is makeup, though.
	You're saying homosexual.
	Yeah, you're contradicting yourself, Brian.
	Huh?
	What?
	How am I concerned about that?
	You said that you don't mind a girl with black eyeliner.
	No, what I was trying to articulate is like if she wears a little eye.
	Are you saying men at home?
	That is your little mascara or like eyeliner, that's not a big thing.
	That's still makeup.
	Of course, but that's why I said minimal or no makeup.
	But when like, if you're laying on my black pillow and your face is imprinted on the pillow after having laid down in it, or you've smudged a bunch on my face if we're being, you know, kissing, whatever, then it's, I'm not a fan of it.
	Then you need to get her a makeup spray so it lasts all day.
	Yes.
	Buy her the Charlotte Kilberry setting spray.
	That's what you need to do.
	That's what you need to do.
	Okay, that's very romantic.
	To learn to embrace women.
	I do embrace women.
	Well, embrace them more and be obvious.
	Here's the difference.
	You're embracing, you are embracing, my dear, an illusion.
	It's an illusion.
	It's so happy.
	It's a bamboozle.
	It's a bamboozle.
	Why is it a bamboozle?
	Because when we take our makeup, you look different.
	Hold on, my hair doesn't.
	I mean, it pretty much stays like this when I wake up, but like, maybe I get an extra quarter of an inch of a coiff.
	So is that an illusion?
	Hey, listen, if you want to get a little bit of a syrup in there, I like to put it in.
	My dad uses hair regrowth shit, and I bet one day you guys will have to too.
	Do you think that's an illusion?
	I'll probably look.
	I maybe only got a little bit of a few years left.
	Yeah, yeah, you're an Italian.
	That's fine.
	Yeah, you know, look, I'll probably, yeah, I might even be starting to lose myself.
	But how would you feel if people called you an illusion?
	And that's not even comparable because that's not something you have fun doing.
	I genuinely have fun doing my makeup and doing other people's work.
	Who said that I would, well, if I wore a toupee, then yes.
	Now, hold on, let me ask you girls a question.
	That's definitely an illusion.
	Ah, let's dive into this.
	Now, if you were on a date with a guy, and he took photos with a toupee, and the toupee looked really realistic, and then on the third date, you find out that he's actually got a fucking Larry David, and he's just bald.
	You guys aren't going to feel like, to some degree, like you've been...
	Like, let's not kid ourselves.
	Women are attracted to men with a full head of hair.
	That's not necessarily true.
	She's not attracted to men.
	Okay, sometimes.
	You kind of are because you were entertaining the guy.
	And I suspect you maybe would have been a little less attracted to him.
	I mean, I don't want to assume.
	Had he had no hair, yes, I would be a little bit less attractive.
	Ah.
	So if he had a toupee and it turns out he actually is bald, you would perhaps feel like to some degree misled.
	And that's not how he actually looks.
	Not necessarily.
	I just think that if you have some like vendetta against girls who wear makeup, then like prefer a girl who doesn't wear makeup.
	But like you don't get to have a certain opinion because you also don't.
	You're just not a girl.
	I don't know.
	Wait, so no uterus, no opinion?
	Are we going back to the market?
	No makeup, no opinion.
	So if you wear makeup, Brian, do you want kids all the time?
	Do you want kids?
	How are people?
	I don't like on TV.
	I'll answer that.
	Yeah, it's fair.
	Wait, I'll answer that.
	I'm just saying, if you had a daughter and she started playing with makeup, I'm not buying her makeup.
	Wow.
	That's just actually insane.
	That is just something that comes along with the territory of being a dad to a daughter.
	It's just like eventually.
	You can't buy her makeup.
	No, Let me say that.
	Let me finish.
	Is that a girl is just going to like curiosity of a girl is that one day she's going to be like, what is this makeup?
	I want to play with this.
	My mommy puts this on.
	That's just what it is.
	If you don't want to buy her makeup, that's fine.
	But your daughter being curious and makeup is something that's going to be like a musician.
	She can be curious.
	And I will raise my daughter.
	She can't wear makeup.
	I will raise my daughter to have such mental fortitude and force of will and power that I will say.
	Daughter, it is that deep.
	I will say daughter.
	You need not put the paint on your face, my dear.
	It has harmful chemicals.
	That's what shit you put in your body every day has harmful chemicals.
	Fair enough.
	In any case, you don't need that, and I'm not paying for it.
	When you turn 18, if you want to, you know, whatever, you want to do whatever you want.
	Okay, if your daughter buys it on her own, are you going to be able to do that?
	But what if she sees she can't wear it?
	I'm going to be disappointed.
	Okay, well, I'm just going to tell you right now, your daughter's going to come to a point in her life where she's going to want to put on makeup and wear makeup.
	Like, that's just every girl.
	I disagree.
	Every girl.
	And this is the mind virus that women perpetuate on other women because you think that has to be the social order of life.
	But as a man, I have a duty and responsibility to guide my daughter in a way that I think is more commensurate.
	You can guide her in other ways besides to not wear makeup.
	It's not a matter of like she doesn't need it.
	It's not a matter of makeup section.
	I'm not triggered.
	I'm not triggered.
	I just think that that's like there's so many better things to guide your daughter on than being like.
	And I'll do those too.
	I also think if you're too harsh on stuff that has very little meaning.
	In effect, like makeup, that may not be the best pair of people.
	So you're saying that we as a society need to continue to capitulate to this, again, this is a billion-dollar industry that is incentivized to keep women feeling insecure about how they naturally look.
	But it's not a good thing.
	It's just insecurity.
	Yeah, I think once again, it's just women feeling more confident when they put the makeup on.
	Just like if you want to get a surgery, it's just to make you feel more confident.
	It also goes back to prehistory.
	If you Google female cosmetic coalitions, there's this crazy anthropology thing where they dig up old tribes and the women in the tribes would smear red on them.
	Isn't it crazy?
	It's crazy.
	So, you know, you're not going to beat it.
	See, Michael's on our side.
	Makeup's been around for a long time, just used in different ways.
	Look, yes.
	But I would also argue that the amount of makeup that is used today is far more.
	Is this crazy for me?
	I don't feel like it's.
	People wear a lot more makeup nowadays in the past, like ever since social media than in the past.
	I remember, you know, people wear a lot more makeup.
	Now, look, I don't know the history of makeup.
	I do.
	I suspect, you know, throughout, perhaps even for thousands of years, women wore makeup.
	I don't know if that was readily available to like the peasantry.
	No, it was like ochre.
	They'd grind up red ochre and smear it on their face.
	Like blush or whatever.
	I think probably there's been, you know, various cultures and perhaps in far, far in the past in history where women didn't wear makeup.
	And this was just never an issue.
	I don't know, bro.
	I think they all wore makeup.
	You're just saying that he just gave that example because that goes back to biblical times of women putting blush and lipstick on their face.
	So who knows?
	Sure, and people have been warring and murdering each other for thousands of years now.
	Makeup and murder is two completely different things.
	Hot take point.
	Makeup and murder.
	Makeup is worse than that.
	I'm kidding.
	But see, you guys get really, we were talking about all kinds of crazy shit, but when I come after your beloved makeup, that's when you guys are.
	Because it almost hasn't been an insecure thing.
	Like, you made something that's so innocent and fun and lighthearted into like, you don't need it, so why do you want it?
	Well, you don't.
	No girl needs it.
	All of us are pretty without makeup, but it's fun.
	And then making it seem like it's basically.
	Whatever lets you sleep at night.
	Okay, and are you kind of telling you that the children's music is?
	No, that's not a problem.
	That doesn't mean crazy, Brian.
	That is crazy.
	No, that's not what I said.
	I was saying that in response to, it's just for fun.
	That, come on.
	It is just for fun.
	It is.
	That's 100% of it.
	There's no component of I'm competing with other women.
	There's no component of I want to be more attractive to men.
	I think it's all like, I want to feel the best that I can feel.
	Why can't it just be that?
	Why does that always have to go back to the other person?
	I've been on your side this whole time, but that's obviously not.
	I don't want to put makeup on in the morning and say, like, if I want to put makeup on, I'm not other women or get the attention of men or women.
	That's not my intention.
	It's just to feel the best that I can feel and be confident.
	And then it's a subconscious point doing that.
	On your subconscious.
	Oh, so what do you mean by be confident?
	You mean look good and be attractive.
	No, you mean feel good.
	It doesn't make you look good exactly.
	So would you lack confidence if you didn't put it on?
	I think it's a confidence.
	Not necessarily.
	But you said it's for to feel good.
	So you would feel ungood.
	It's the act of taking the steps to do your makeup and doing what you like and finding what you like and finding your routine and just something that you enjoy.
	Something that you enjoy.
	It's like a hobby.
	Why do you enjoy it?
	Because it makes you look better?
	It makes you feel better.
	Feel prettier?
	Feel confident.
	So you would feel less confident without the makeup.
	So are you into that?
	Because you feel prettier because you're pretty too.
	It's the opposite sex.
	I think it's equivalent to fitness.
	I've been trying to say this.
	I think it's equivalent to fitness.
	Men work out excessively, sometimes not all, and they choose to pressure themselves under those realms of I want to have X amount of bicep muscle.
	I want to have X amount of my abdomen showing all these other things.
	Women do the payment of buying makeup, and that's just one of our other things.
	It's not working out anymore.
	Well, I mean, physical fitness is a little bit different.
	And that's within the realm.
	But it's in the same realm of vanity.
	It's just a vanity.
	So it's just the same thing as doing your hair.
	I'll help you with the argument.
	Wait, wait, hold on.
	I'll help you with the argument.
	I object to men taking steroids because I think that's harmful to your body in order to attain a certain level of physique.
	Now, it might help you attain said physique, but I think you ought to do so in a healthy and natural way.
	Let's outweig the pros and cons of that.
	What are the cons of I mean, yeah, there's chemicals in makeup, but like are we dying?
	Are we like actually like okay, so I mean I don't want to use a I don't want to use like a exceptional example, but some they found that some uh I for I don't know the names of these products Shop a clean brand then for example.
	Well, they, they found asbestos in certain makeup products and I don't know if you, I'm not in favor of women getting mesothelioma.
	So they, they did find asbestos in some of the the makeup products and you know the powder and stuff and and women have had.
	Well, I said I suppose men can use that too, but it was a documentary on Netflix which was terribly woke, so don't watch it.
	But is that the first time mesothelioma has come up on the whatever market?
	Actually, you know what I feel like it came up, didn't it come up?
	Like last episode, I don't know.
	There's an app called YUKA where you can scan products and it actually like rates it and tells you all of the active ingredients and if they're good or not, that's if they label it properly.
	It's not like okay.
	Well then, if you really want to get that granular, then like everything I think you said this like everything we do on a daily basis has chemicals.
	Johnson AND Johnson, baby powder yeah, would you say.
	Johnson AND Johnson is like one of the major.
	Is Johnson AND Johnson their pharma?
	Yeah, I think DRUM Company, pharmaceutical company, I they, they those little baby powder bottles I I had.
	I had those when I was younger.
	Everybody did everybody did.
	They actually found that there was asbestos in in the baby powder.
	You get cancer from baby powder anyway.
	Obviously they don't list it.
	They don't list asbestos in the ingredients.
	So what might be on the label, that might not actually.
	You're a baby's button, Brian, when you have babies.
	I mean, I think they've probably changed the formula.
	We don't use baby powder.
	Okay, can I ask you something else?
	Sure.
	So let's change the subject.
	Something else that is harmful is harmful.
	I do want to.
	Sure.
	Well, same subject, though.
	It's harmful.
	It costs money.
	It really has no.
	Because I want to be considerate of your time.
	I have gone long.
	I'm surprised you stayed this long.
	I would never leave.
	How could I leave?
	The only reason I might want to leave is to smoke a delicious hair.
	I want to do that, too.
	Well, I do think we won't keep the show going for too long, but.
	Okay, last thing, last thing.
	Sure.
	Okay, how about something like body hair removal?
	It costs money.
	It can be dangerous, and it can give you more harm than good.
	Dangerous?
	Yeah, I mean, if you're shaving and you cut yourself, I mean...
	Oh, and you die of an infection.
	Okay.
	I mean, it just has, you know, you're not going to die from putting makeup on, but it's about the same risk.
	Well, I mean, I think there's a slight difference there when it comes to grooming, right?
	So your question is.
	I guess like if a girl said, I don't shave my armpits because I feel like it does no good and it's more harmful.
	And it's just.
	That's actually good.
	It's a good argument that you make.
	Again, I would differentiate a little bit when it comes to grooming.
	And then, I mean.
	Do you like hairy or shaved?
	I do prefer shaved.
	I'll give you that.
	Of course you do.
	I do think it's a bit different than makeup insofar as, like, if you.
	Why, of course, I do.
	It is a bit different insofar as, well, one, from purely if you're being intimate with a woman and she has spiky legs, I mean, that is going to have like, there's a bit more of a utilitarian purpose there when it comes to shaving.
	But it's not spiky if you, it's not spiky if you don't shave at all.
	It's just soft, just soft hair, just natural, just like you said.
	It's like a nice hot gorilla.
	So yeah, just like natural.
	Like you want to.
	No, it's a good argument you make.
	Again, I do think it is different than makeup.
	You do have your preferences.
	You have your preferences.
	Yeah, just like all of us.
	So it doesn't make sense.
	I don't want preference for wearing a lot of people.
	Unkempt.
	Like, obviously, I want a woman.
	But you love natural hair.
	Okay, well, then we could extend this argument to, well, Brian, why do you want a woman who showers?
	Because the natural order of things are not.
	It's not the same.
	No, But it's related to grooming.
	The natural order of things is for your body to collect the scents.
	So then why don't you shave your legs and armpits?
	Do you?
	So what makes it different if a woman should shave her legs and armpits and be groomed to that's just clean?
	Wait, so are we switching it to like the difference between men and women?
	Like, why don't you go to the bathroom?
	Well, you're saying almost like not shaving is what's the word?
	Unkept?
	And now is that just because of societal standards that women should be hairless and men shouldn't?
	Or why don't you shave your legs then and your armpits and your beard?
	Why don't you think that?
	Well, actually, what, huh?
	Why don't you think that there's an issue with that in mind?
	I've partaken some degree of grooming.
	I will.
	I understand that.
	I understand that, but you're saying if a woman...
	Thanks for letting us know.
	You're saying if a woman has hair on her legs, then you just prefer not.
	I'd prefer what?
	You just prefer not.
	Do you object to my preference of women?
	No, I don't object because your opinion is your opinion and your preferences are your preferences.
	But you can't come at certain things for being one way and not come at another thing for being the same way.
	But it's certainly different.
	It's different as in its different things, but it both proposed about the same risk about you saying.
	It is a good argument, but I could say that if a woman, like, for example, and you did make the argument of like, well, what if she just doesn't shave and the hair becomes soft, right?
	But if she does shave, but like lets it grow out, then it's spiky.
	So, yeah, I think that's a that would be my argument.
	It would be uncomfortable in an intimate setting.
	Okay, so how is that different than you?
	Then why don't you shave your legs?
	And do you have a butt?
	Such.
	I groom.
	I groom.
	But I don't shave my legs.
	Do you have a little landing strip or what?
	Don't fucking make a leg.
	I feel like you're manscaping.
	Manscaped.
	Manscaped.
	Well, I think, I mean, it does come down to gender roles to some degree.
	Gender expectations.
	Typically, women don't have a preference for men who shave their legs.
	They don't really, I think most women don't care about leg hair, really.
	And I think it is kind of the order of things that a lot of men prefer women who shave their legs.
	Yeah, well, a lot of women wear makeup and prefer to wear makeup.
	Okay.
	So I'm just saying it's about I suppose my to some degree my objection to it is sometimes the degree to which it can absolutely transform a woman's appearance.
	Now, granted, I know sometimes it's fairly minimal and it doesn't really, they still look mostly the same.
	Actually, Nick, we have a file of some crazy transformations that we can pull up.
	I think it's under the makeup tab.
	Nick, if you can pull up all those, it's in the browser.
	Do you know what I'm talking about?
	Yeah.
	Just pull all those up.
	There's some ridiculous, ridiculous makeup transformations.
	Whereas like leg hair, a woman's legs in terms of physical appearance.
	Do I look that different?
	I mean, I'd need a before and after.
	You just got one.
	You had my full face on before I had to do it.
	Oh, I haven't committed your face to memory.
	But have you ever seen the ones where it's like...
	You just sat here and looked at me for the past five hours.
	You can't tell me.
	You don't remember what I look like with my makeup on?
	No, I don't remember what you look like with your makeup on.
	But you just told me I look different without it, so how do you not remember?
	Well, I can tell that there's a difference, but I don't, I don't, I haven't burned the image of what your face looks like with makeup.
	You're not simping.
	Like if you were a simp, you'd have burned that image.
	Yes, if I was a simp.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Nick, what you got, Nick?
	Yeah, you made one simply.
	What you got?
	By the way, can we get some W's in the chat?
	Michael Knowles is a trooper.
	He's been streaming with us all day.
	W's.
	W's.
	I gotta thank you.
	That's how you do it.
	It's not like this.
	I do it like that.
	Yeah, I know.
	Yeah.
	I don't know what y'all think.
	Oh, wow.
	Michael just flashed some gang signs right there.
	We're in Center Bar.
	Yeah, I also want to go.
	You got it in there.
	What you got?
	OnlyFans.
	It's in the link.
	Disavow.
	Okay, that's like special effects makeup.
	Go ahead.
	Isn't it?
	Oh, isn't it?
	That's a pretty big.
	That's totally fake.
	Let's literally.
	Go about it.
	Wait, Let it replay again.
	Oh, come on.
	Huge.
	That's a filter.
	That's fine.
	Is it?
	That's the older.
	That's the granny filter.
	Okay, then that's seriously the granny filter.
	That's fake news.
	There's more.
	What you got?
	Fake news Sam.
	Okay, we got here.
	I think she's got a crazy mess.
	Whoa, that's rude.
	That's rude.
	I think she is.
	Pretty decent transformation there.
	Tell me you saw that too.
	You saw the dips.
	Yes, no.
	Yeah, no.
	I don't believe that.
	I don't believe that.
	I don't believe no one.
	I don't believe that.
	How about a transition without?
	I get talked out of both of them visually.
	Oh, this one's wild.
	Oh, pop, these are bad transformations.
	Just, you know, you guys got to see this.
	Well, no wonder you think that this is the videos you're watching.
	It looks like it.
	Yeah, I know, but it's trying to articulate the point here: the degree to which makeup can.
	Okay, I get what you're saying.
	That's also not real.
	Wait, there's more, Nick.
	There's more views.
	What do you mean?
	There's no way.
	No, this is it.
	This is it, Michael.
	He said, This is it.
	What you got?
	This is it.
	What you got for us, Nick?
	The rest?
	Oh, this one's wild.
	But again, I don't want to be intellectually dishonest.
	I think she's intentionally made herself look unappealing.
	They all did.
	But like, there's no filtering.
	But you can kind of tell what she looks like.
	Hold up.
	Whoa, hello.
	Okay.
	That's pretty different there.
	I don't know what.
	No one might be real.
	Next.
	Yeah, maybe everyone's going to be able to get a little bit of a photo one.
	It's not makeup.
	Oh, I think I know.
	Is it the pants?
	Yeah.
	Okay, we'll see it.
	Yeah, why not?
	It's kind of related.
	All right.
	Oh, you got to move us.
	Oh, face tune?
	I use face tune.
	No, it's just her pants.
	It's just.
	Yeah.
	It's just the position.
	Should I start wearing yoga pants?
	You probably pushed it.
	It's just like the positioning of your body.
	Anyone can take like that.
	That's what I'm saying.
	We would all know that.
	That's not wrong.
	All of us can look like that right now.
	All of us could literally stand at a certain angle, push our stomach up, and look exactly like that.
	Okay, come on, though.
	Like, if as a guy.
	She's pushing her stomach up.
	That's literally just to go to show that.
	That's a huge transformation.
	That's not a you.
	I could find, there's probably, that's not a you.
	I love how you just said.
	Bruh.
	I love how you said you would prefer a woman with a little belly fat.
	It's just literally.
	No, that's not what I said.
	No.
	I'm fine.
	You said yourself you have a little beer belly now, so who are you to judge?
	Wait, hold on.
	I think you guys are misunderstanding what I'm trying to articulate by pulling that photo.
	Okay, what's the word?
	You said that they weren't.
	You're saying that this is the bad section of the story.
	It's the transformation.
	My argument to that is that we can all stand in the back.
	I'm not saying that the woman on the right is ugly.
	I'm not making a criticism of her appearance.
	What I am saying is the transformation from A to B is rather like that's pretty substantial.
	If I sat here, pushed out my stomach like that and then pushed my stomach back in.
	Like, it's like literally you could all have an ugly angle.
	All of us take pictures for a living.
	We all know what it's like.
	But she's getting a lot of help from, what's that fucking brand of?
	She's getting a lot of help from her friends at Lululemon.
	I love how you learn for that.
	In that picture, I don't know if it's edited, but she also has abs.
	So it's like, not necessarily.
	But guys do that too.
	I see a lot of guys like, you know, open their belly and shit.
	Oh, yeah.
	Or when I start like that.
	Is there another photo, Nick?
	Or is that a?
	No, like, I thought there was a photo like a face.
	Like, the guys where they're, like, stretching their stomach and then, like, sucking into absolutely.
	And it's wrong when men do it too.
	It's wrong when men do it.
	Man, y'all are really worked up about this makeup shit.
	Did I, I really struck a nerve?
	No, yeah.
	I just struck that, though.
	They seem like you seem a little struck.
	No, I'm not.
	A nerve has been struck.
	No, no, no, no.
	I'm just trying to struck a nerve.
	I'm just disappointed.
	No, I'm just trying to get you to see what it's like from a game.
	From a girl's perspective.
	Yeah, that's all it is.
	Mostly.
	There was a little bit you guys went crazy about that.
	I don't do it to look pretty for boys or whatever.
	I'm just trying to.
	But mostly I agree with you.
	Mostly.
	I love how that's what you keep going back to.
	And we're always going to stand on that it's not for men.
	Cope.
	Yeah.
	Cool.
	It's a big difference.
	We can agree to disagree.
	Okay, well, you look, how about this?
	If I can concede that it's not 100% for men, can you concede that it's somewhat, there's some percentage of the reason why women sure if someone has the intention to put makeup on because they're going on a date or something, maybe then it is for a man.
	But the idea of makeup, the practice of doing your makeup in the morning, does not have an underlying reason of for men.
	So female cosmetic coalitions were for women to gang up on men.
	So back in the old days.
	But I'm just, you know, the old ones used to hang out with women and put on makeup to get it.
	Yes, because it was a way.
	It was a way, oddly, to like hide menstruation.
	There's like, you can go down a real rabbit trail of ancient makeup, but the reason that I agree with you guys against Brian is also why I don't believe the it's not for men thing.
	So what about if a group of girls gets together and they just do their makeup?
	Like what?
	Together.
	Yeah, no, and there's no men.
	They're not taking pictures.
	What if they just like to do it?
	It's a summer party.
	We're not going out.
	We're just going to go to bed.
	You know how many times me and my girls have literally sat on the floor of my bathroom and I'm just like, can you give me a makeover?
	Like, can you just do my makeup and like do it how you want?
	And I just want to see how it looks.
	That's so normal for girls, right?
	Did y'all know?
	Yeah, even going to my best friend's house.
	When I go to Maddie's house, I do a full face of makeup just because I feel like it.
	Just because it makes me feel like.
	And not that any boys are at my house.
	Not that I'm just her friend.
	I'll be her friend no matter what you look like.
	But that's for you.
	I've looked uglier next to Maddie than I've ever had just because we've been friends for so long.
	Can I live together in multiple different places?
	I don't know if you have to put a face and makeup.
	I'm just arguing the other side because like, yeah, for sure.
	Some girls for sure would want to put makeup on for guys.
	I just want to say it's like not every.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, there might be a shot.
	Not every scenario.
	There's always not every scenario.
	Y'all like to talk about extremes and it's like always.
	It's bold of you to assume that.
	Why are you shaking your head over there?
	Because I feel like I want to ask each one of you individually.
	Would you feel bamboozled if you met a guy, all his dating app photos, he wore toupee, but actually he didn't have makeup.
	But that is completely fucking different.
	No, it's not.
	Yes, it is because it's absolutely.
	Men know going into dating women that women like makeup and are going to wear makeup.
	And shouldn't women know that a lot of men, hold on, let me just, I do want to give a quick rebuttal thing.
	Next time, let me finish.
	Thanks, babe.
	Okay.
	I do want to give a quick rebuttal here.
	Don't most women know that men, to some degree, if they're starting to bald, that they might feel insecure about that?
	So shouldn't you, like, I can make the exact same argument?
	I feel like makeup, you can tell if someone has makeup on.
	It's not really something someone's trying to hide.
	Someone's wearing a toupee, maybe.
	So actually, not always.
	You're talking about makeup.
	I agree with you here.
	What if I can't tell if a woman's wearing makeup, and I think she's more attractive while she's wearing said makeup, but she's not actually that attractive in reality because she's wearing said makeup, but I can't tell that she's wearing makeup.
	You lost.
	Ergo, I've done it.
	I was with you.
	Then that is your choice, and you can break up with her.
	Then you can just deal with the reality that unfortunately she just doesn't look like that naturally, and so be it.
	Maybe you would say that, and then you said that you want women to be natural and not wear makeup.
	Wait, what?
	But then it's like...
	But I'm...
	No, I'm building an argument here.
	He's talking about the deception.
	The deception's the whole argument.
	You're deceiving yourself.
	I don't have an issue, though.
	If men are bald.
	Thank you.
	Like, if men are bald and have a toupee.
	I've watched a hair transformation for men.
	I have no issues.
	What about he wore three inch lifts?
	Ew.
	It's amazing.
	What if they're just really nice off the rack with hazy boots?
	It's crazy.
	I like that.
	No, Lord Howard ding him.
	If it makes you feel confident, then do it.
	Yeah, but you just have to.
	I don't think every man.
	I don't think every man is going to have to get that, though.
	Like, every woman is probably going to wear makeup that you encounter, but every man is not going to have to get a haircut plant.
	What about the shoe lifts, though?
	Right?
	I don't think it makes them any less attractive.
	Yeah, like, you would show that.
	So if on their dating.
	They say that they're six feet, but they're actually 5'9.
	That's nice.
	You don't consider that like an exception?
	Okay, so why?
	Okay, do you just want me to put in the bio, like, by the way, makeup's on in the photos?
	Well, typically I can tell, but I'm aware of your bamboozle.
	You're deceiving yourself.
	No, but I am aware of your bamboozle.
	Then we're aware of yours.
	What is it?
	That you have fake hair.
	That you want to get fake hair.
	And he wears it.
	And you put your shoe just like that.
	I don't think that's even a big deal.
	Like, I don't know.
	I think this is gonna sound this is gonna sound like pick-me, but like if you actually fuck with someone, like matters.
	Yeah, what matters?
	Yeah, like aren't women attracted to confident men?
	Yes, and that's not confident.
	Well, why you can make the argument that a woman might be might say, well, if you're confident, why would you need to wear shoe lifts?
	Or a rubber?
	Because I fucking felt like it.
	Because it makes me feel better.
	You can still have a con, you can still have an insecurity.
	Because you have an insecurity about your height.
	For what other reason would you wear shoes?
	Yes.
	I don't think, I don't think necessary.
	I don't agree that you necessarily have to be super insecure about something to change it just because you think it could be better another way.
	If you were secure about it, you would not.
	I just disagree.
	Okay, okay.
	Subjective.
	Security is subjective entirely.
	Just like this.
	Everything goes back to being insecure.
	It's like, oh, that's exhausting.
	What about a guy?
	It's exhausting, Brian.
	You're literally tired.
	But it's interesting to me that you guys object so much to me thinking that makeup is sort of deceptive.
	And you're fighting me on it, but I'm sure most of you would be to some degree upset if a guy misrepresented his height, either through shoe lifts or he lied about it on a dating app.
	You show up to the date, turns out he's shorter than you, or if you wore a toupee.
	Women are going to wear makeup.
	That's for somebody else.
	Makeup is, in its essence, a lie.
	Okay.
	Makeup's just not really just enhancing or another.
	Yeah, I think we should.
	You guys can keep wearing it, but we agree.
	And we will.
	We agree.
	We will.
	You're right.
	Just be intellectually honest.
	You're not.
	You're right.
	No, seriously, you're right.
	It's a lie.
	Let me ask you guys a question.
	And it's over.
	The conversation.
	If it didn't.
	Next second, please.
	If it didn't amplify, if makeup did not amplify or improve or increase your physical appearance in some way, why would you wear it?
	It doesn't.
	So we're done.
	No, wait.
	Wait.
	So you think makeup doesn't.
	Of course, it enhances your lashes, makes it longer, makes your lips pop out more.
	Do men care about physical appearance?
	Yes.
	Clearly, you do.
	So you are changing.
	You are putting on a facade quite literally a facade.
	Everything you want to do is to please men.
	Not to please men.
	Not to please women.
	I worship the grounds y'all walk on.
	I base all my decisions throughout my day based on how y'all view me and think.
	Good.
	The patriarchy wins again.
	Okay, exactly.
	You're right.
	I just really want to please men.
	Literally, like, men, I want to make y'all happy.
	5%.
	If you want me to stop wearing makeup, like, it's done.
	Never again.
	You should just tell your guests from here on out, like, you're actually not allowed to wear makeup.
	I should come on with no makeup on.
	Look, I'm not like, me personally, my personal preferences, I prefer women without makeup.
	Like, if you guys are wearing makeup, like, honestly, I don't give a fuck.
	Like, here at the table.
	But if we're having like a conversation, if we're having a debate about it, then yes, I'm going to, like, let's look at reality.
	Let's have a look at reality.
	It's makeup is a facade.
	And if you can't be intellectually honest about that, I don't know what to tell you.
	But it is quite literally a facade.
	Okay.
	Let's all say okay and agree to disappear.
	Okay.
	It's paint.
	Okay.
	It's paint.
	You're right.
	You're so right.
	How many times do we have to tell you?
	I wake up.
	Oh, thank you.
	Thank you.
	Cool.
	Yes.
	I wake up every morning wearing makeup.
	So guys, I'm going to get a little bit more.
	Less argument on the makeup thing.
	Oh, it's an evil facade.
	It's terrible.
	Are you for real?
	The patriarchy wins again.
	Wait, question.
	Question?
	Starting with you, Sophie.
	Do you believe in protecting the environment?
	Yeah.
	Do you consider yourself an environmentalist?
	I don't know if I'd go as far as to call myself an environmentalist, but I definitely try to protect our plants.
	Like, do you object as much as possible?
	Sure.
	For example, do you object to people using plastic?
	Can we take that off the table, by the way?
	The water bottle.
	Ew, Kirkland's getting out of here.
	Sorry.
	Do you object to people?
	Do you think people should not use plastic?
	Drink from plastic water bottles, for example.
	I think it's almost impossible to know everybody's plastic things.
	I think it's important.
	I think it's important to limit use when you can and just be conscious of the impact you have on the environment.
	But I don't think it's realistic to completely rule out plastic silverware.
	Do you think on an individual level, you know, people should try to limit their plastic?
	Yeah.
	Well, you know what?
	I think all women should be, a lot of women tend to be a bit more progressive and liberal and tend to be very deeply, you know, have a deep care for the environment.
	I think if we're saying that you should take individual action for the better of the environment, I think women should take the first step by dismantling the billion-dollar cosmetic, cosmetic and makeup industry because that comes in plastic containers, the products, it's shipped across.
	They're in Asia.
	So it's a condom.
	I think that after that, I think after children, you're right.
	Hold on.
	And wait.
	Fan colour.
	Wait, wait, wait.
	I got something for this.
	Wait, wait, I got something for this.
	Hold on.
	Of course, I'm being safe.
	I pull out.
	So no more condoms.
	Yes.
	And no more makeup.
	No more condoms.
	No more makeup.
	What else though?
	We are going to repopulate the earth by banning condoms and getting rid of makeup.
	That sounds like a lot of money.
	I feel like it's kind of like a large goal, but we might not get there because now you guys are not being deceived.
	Let's just go back to no government and free-for-all and no plastic.
	Are you an anarchist?
	Sure.
	I don't know what that means, but just what's the definition of an anarchist?
	I'm just saying, I see a lot of people.
	What's the definition of an anarchist?
	I see.
	What's the definition?
	I want the dictionary definition.
	Type it out.
	You want me to actually Google it?
	So, okay, I'll Google it for you.
	Well, clearly, because you don't know the definition.
	Well, typically, like lack of government.
	Oh, no.
	Well, no.
	I don't really know.
	She's an eh.
	Lack of government.
	Like a lack of any sort of civil.
	I'm not informed enough.
	No, we definitely need a government.
	Yeah, we need some sort of.
	We need some sort of something, but I don't know about the way they're going now.
	I like our little democracy.
	So the organization of society on the basis of voluntary cooperation without political institutions or government.
	Oh, I saw you guys talk about this with some other girl.
	Yeah, I don't know.
	That sounds horrible.
	But yeah, you know, it's crazy.
	A lot of women are environmentalists, but I think, you know, you guys got to take the first step and stop wearing makeup.
	You can't be showing up to these, you know, Earth Day, Earth Day events caked up to the gills.
	Caked up.
	Caked up.
	Paint on.
	Caked up, paint on, you know?
	All right, we're there.
	At least we're still not talking about lady blasties, you know?
	I'm glad that we're talking about that.
	I'd rather be talking about that than this.
	Yeah, it's a sensitive subject.
	No, it's not sensitive.
	It's just annoying and obnoxious at this point.
	Why are we both twist?
	Twitch?
	Oh, guys, go to twitch.tv slash whatever.
	Drop us a follow.
	Drop us a prime sub.
	Guys, twitch.tv slash whatever.
	Drop us a follow.
	Drop us a prime sub if you have one.
	Thank you, guys.
	Appreciate it.
	I noticed you had the tattoo.
	It says heliophophilia.
	What is that?
	Desire of the sun.
	Oh, okay.
	I thought it was like something else.
	What's that mean?
	What do you mean?
	Desire of the sun?
	Like, why did you get that tattoo?
	Because I love to be in the sunshine.
	I love the sun.
	I love summer.
	I love the heat.
	I love the sun.
	It's pretty simple.
	I don't like the cold.
	Okay, Leophilia.
	I'm going to do shit.
	Where is it?
	Right here?
	Yeah.
	That's a very funny tattoo.
	I like it, huh?
	Yeah.
	I like.
	Thanks.
	I like the sun.
	I was just going to say.
	Unboxing hall.
	Unboxing.
	Do a little ASMR.
	Unbox with me.
	Hey, guys.
	Unboxing.
	Sorry.
	I got a YouTube award.
	Hey.
	Yay!
	That's a big deal.
	You know, I've never gotten mine.
	Really?
	My gold YouTube thing?
	Yeah.
	You have like two million.
	Wow, how many?
	I don't know actually what my total number is.
	Certainly, they'd.
	You have a few million, right?
	They give you one at a million.
	Then I think you have to get to like 10 before they give you another one.
	Yeah, well, where's your one?
	Wow.
	Brian, it looks good.
	For our secondary clips channel, you know, wow.
	Beautiful.
	I love it.
	Congrats.
	Good times.
	Good times.
	Okay, is there anything else or are we wrapped up here?
	Did we talk enough about makeup?
	Yeah, I should have told you.
	Should we maybe cover?
	Anything else you want to say before we about the makeup?
	Ban makeup.
	Okay, cool.
	Ban it.
	Everyone, we on board?
	And condoms.
	And cotton connects.
	And everything else that uses plastic, apparently.
	And everything else that leads to insecurity.
	Insecurity.
	And ban toupees.
	I was gone for way too long.
	And banned the shoe-ish.
	And ban shaving your legs.
	And I thought we still support shavings.
	No, no.
	Landscaping.
	All of it, we're done.
	We're cutting it all out.
	Okay.
	Very natural.
	Minds fed up.
	No, I'm chilling.
	Any final thoughts here before we wrap up?
	Yes.
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	Yeah.
	Nicolette Nicole.
	Disavow.
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	It's in the link.
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	Wait, we have a link?
	Follow.
	Yeah, you can get my book.
	I was just reminded I'm supposed to plug my book.
	That's Speechless, Controlling Words, Controlling Minds, number one national bestseller available now wherever books are sold.
	I also have a blank book.
	I have a book without any words in it called, it's not a joke, it's called Reasons to Vote for Democrats.
	My dad talks about that book.
	Does he?
	Your dad, a man of taste, a scholar, and a gentleman.
	What'd you say?
	Can we FaceTime him?
	We should FaceTime your father.
	I'm sending him back with cigars.
	Which you can also get right now at MayflowerCigars.com.
	Use code whatever for a free puff.
	Can we collab on TikTok?
	I can promote your cigar.
	That would be great.
	That would be great.
	I don't know how to collab on TikTok.
	I know I'm on TikTok.
	You just need to let me collab with you.
	Let's do it.
	I'm in.
	But not like, you know, you propose the collaboration.
	No, like you make videos together.
	Okay, yeah, let's do that kind.
	Okay.
	Especially given the 95% that you can see the whole in front of you this whole entire time, girl.
	I've got to keep it.
	Wait, okay.
	Last thing.
	Last thing.
	Makeup.
	Because we have Michael Knowles here.
	No, no, no.
	Because you're a feminist.
	When it comes to physical strength, who's physically stronger?
	Men or women?
	Any man is probably physically stronger than me, personally.
	My sister, she's probably stronger than most men.
	You sure about that?
	Yeah.
	Men are literally built to be stronger than women.
	They are, but I think it just like that.
	You know, it's possible for a woman to be stronger than a man, but me personally, I'm not going to take that challenge ever because I know I'm not going to be able to do it.
	No, in general, it's in general thing.
	Men are women.
	Which one's built stronger?
	Does your sister lift?
	I guess genetically men.
	Yeah, she does.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	All right.
	How tall is she?
	How tall is she?
	Yeah.
	Like 5'2.
	Yeah, yeah.
	You can't.
	Listen, I've never done a ton of like fight.
	I'm a lover, not a fighter, but for a while I did Krav Maga, you know, Jujitsu.
	You're gonna start doing that, actually.
	It's kind of fun.
	But the thing is, man, you go up and you're fighting someone who's like one inch shorter than you, and you win.
	And you fight a guy who's one inch taller than you, and he wins.
	And it actually, you know, that guy, so like 5'2, she might be the strongest woman ever, but any guy would just like fling her out a window, right?
	Fling her out.
	Not that I recommend.
	One inch made that much of a difference.
	I think that kind of defeats the purpose of like.
	I do know that she squats more than most men her age and most men my age.
	I do know that for a fact.
	It's beautiful.
	Okay, here we go.
	Here we go.
	Okay.
	I swear, I swear.
	Okay.
	Can you be sexist against men?
	Yes.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	All right.
	There's a lot of reasonable.
	I think I, you know, I think I've, you know, I think I could do better at that sometimes.
	Nicolette, since you could do better at being sexist against men.
	Wait, like I don't give them nearly enough.
	I don't criticize them nearly enough.
	I could be more hateful.
	I could be more.
	I could be more.
	Yeah, tell us how you really feel.
	Tell us how you really feel.
	I think, you know, personal experiences and stuff clouds people's vision.
	And I do respect men.
	I love men.
	I just prefer not to spend my life with them as a lifelong partner.
	But yeah, you can definitely be sexist towards men.
	And I think.
	But the cowboy, if he didn't spit on you.
	He was not cute anyway.
	I just wanted to go skiing.
	Question for Nicolette because she was talking about her, or not her, but the white privilege.
	Privilege.
	Did I spell it wrong?
	I think so.
	It's okay.
	You spelled it creatively.
	Can you be racist against white people?
	I think you can be racist against any race.
	Yeah.
	Does the tape?
	Okay, all right.
	All right.
	Those are my closing questions.
	White supremacist Brian over there.
	Whoa, Classic.
	Whoa, whoa, whoa.
	I date Asian women.
	I don't know what answer.
	I are.
	And white women, too.
	And Latina women.
	But that was your go-to.
	You can't take it back now.
	That was your go-to.
	You said it first.
	Well, I mean.
	And it's kind of like this, you know?
	It's like, I won't play.
	Can I play the sound clip?
	Let me see if I can find it.
	I used to do drugs.
	I still do what I used to do.
	Yeah, you know, there's just a pause.
	I paused for too long, and that's why.
	I disavow white supremacy.
	I disavow white nationalism.
	Why are you throwing it up?
	No, I was just like, I thought we were, I thought that was what we were talking about.
	Wait, how did that even come up?
	I don't know.
	You were talking about white supremacy and stuff.
	Well, what happened?
	This is a podcast.
	It came up like three times.
	It wasn't just like in piles.
	It was like so many.
	Yeah, it's really concerning.
	Yeah, wow.
	This is slander.
	Sitting here.
	This is going to bring the stars and bars out here over the whatever side soon.
	In every interview, I'm going to be asked to disavow anything.
	Sounds familiar, right?
	Cool.
	Okay, so guys, go to source.tv slash whatever jobs to follow jobs the prime sub.
	Oh, wait, hold on.
	Let me pull up my outro here.
	Guys, thank you guys.
	Appreciate it.
	Brian.
	Yes.
	Would you let me spit in your mouth?
	How much are you paying?
	For $10,000.
	You're going to say $10,000 you need to pay.
	I don't know where you've been.
	You didn't say no earlier when I asked you either.
	You're saying you'd pay him $10,000 to do it?
	I'm just asking a question.
	I would need like a recent HIV test and like, you know, something.
	Is that spread for spitting?
	Yes, you can.
	No, you can't.
	I'm pretty sure.
	It would take like a million gallons.
	You see your typization.
	That doesn't.
	That doesn't increase the odds of me wanting a woman to, and given I someone sent me a video of you.
	No, I don't want you spitting in my mouth.
	I'm sorry Cindy, someone sent you a video of what of?
	Oh my gosh, of what?
	Goodnight Cindy.
	I'm not gonna look really.
	I told you guys, he's literally on my OnlyFans.
	You said it's not only on your only fans though, but a guy said you literally saw, a guy sent it on her only fans.
	A guy sent it slander slander yeah slander, my dear.
	So you would, you secretly, would secretly, would what you're like edging off, like at night no literally no, a dude literally dm'd me and he was like yo, Cindy straight up lied on your podcast.
	Cindy straight up lied on your podcast because she said she never did bg content and he sent me a video of i'm not gonna be, I know vulgar about it, but you probably have my mega files now mega, your mega files.
	Yeah, you like megabytes, mega files, like folders of all the content, but a mega sort of okay, which just means a lot of them okay, all right, we have this last chat here from Curtis Brian.
	I'll send the money for the makeup remover that Nicolette uses if she agrees to remove it.
	Also, the whatever only fans after show needs to have a musical guest every episode.
	Try usher first piece up, eight on down.
	Nicolette.
	Do you want to take this up from Curtis Leon?
	No, but you can see me without makeup on my instagram highlights.
	I have really cute freckles, got cute freckles.
	Yep, am I allowed to promote kick what's, kick what it's?
	A streaming pop we can.
	There's so many.
	So uh guys, last call, hit the like button please on your way out.
	Thank you for tuning in tonight.
	You could have been anywhere in the world, but you're here with me.
	I appreciate that.
	Thank you to everyone who super chats, donates and supports the show.
	We will be live again sunday at 5 p.m.
	Pacific, on a very good panel for sunday.
	Any girls who want to be on the show, dm out whatever on instagram.
	If you can make it to the panel, or if you can make it to Santa Barbara, excuse me, I want to give a big thank you to the panel.
	Thank you, Michael.
	We we had a long streaming day, so thank you.
	Thank you.
	It's always wonderful to have you on, so really appreciate it.
	Thank you, guys.
	I know we went a little late here.
	Appreciate it.
	Um oh, the last thing I just want to do.
	One last plug here for uh.
	Check out Michael Noel's youtube channel.
	It's.
	Michael Mike's Tom Mcdonald reviews.
	So I did that as a joke, when Ben did his rap thing with Tom and I said, what is?
	This is a Tom Mcdonald review channel.
	I changed it, but YouTube won't let me change it back.
	So I'm losing subs now because people think I'm unfair information.
	And you probably lost your check mark when you, I think when you change your username, you lose your verification check mark for sure.
	But it's pretty easy to reapply to it.
	So, guys, go subscribe to his channel and then also check out his Mayflower cigar cigars.
	If you got the tab for that, check it out, guys.
	Also, check out his books.
	Yeah, I have some like ukulele vids.
	I don't know.
	I mean, there's a lot.
	Yeah, yeah.
	There you go.
	Okay, there you go.
	I would love to collaborate with you.
	Anyways, I'm honored.
	And it doesn't have to be OnlyFans.
	I could go on your show.
	It could even be Kick.
	Could be on Kik.
	You can stream on Kik, and I can just smoke your cigar.
	There you go.
	Okay.
	Great.
	There you have it.
	Okay, guys.
	07's in the chat.
	Good night, guys.
	We will see you.
	I feel like we're forgetting something.
	What are we forgetting, guys?
	We didn't talk about makeup.
	Should we talk about makeup?
	Maybe a little more, yeah.
	No, I think we're pretty much shout out to Spencer.
	Your security guard.
	Oh, yeah.
	Shout out, Spencer.
	W's in the chat for Spencer.
	I want to see Wencer in the chat.
	I think I'm going to hire him to be my security guard.
	Oh, I thought you were going to hire him for something else.
	He does have a girlfriend, just letting you know.
	Oh, okay.
	Okay, but it's security guard, though.
	Okay.
	How is that like crossing the line?
	Never mind.
	Okay.
	Good talk.
	Cindy.
	Cindy.
	Sydney?
	Cindy?
	It's Cindy.
	Sorry.
	Sorry.
	Okay.
	All right.
	07's in the chat.
	Good night, guys.

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